Holiday Survival Guide II: Perfect Gifts and Fighting Fatigue ft. Rainn Wilson | The Happiness Lab

Create a 'phone on a shelf' ritual during holiday gatherings. Instead of keeping phones in pockets where they're constantly accessible, place them on a designated shelf. This simple physical barrier reduces phone checking by up to 10x without missing anything important. You can still grab it for pho

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Key Takeaway

Create a 'phone on a shelf' ritual during holiday gatherings. Instead of keeping phones in pockets where they're constantly accessible, place them on a designated shelf. This simple physical barrier reduces phone checking by up to 10x without missing anything important. You can still grab it for photos, but the tiny bit of friction dramatically decreases mindless scrolling and increases genuine connection with loved ones.

Episode Overview

Dr. Laurie Santos and actor Rainn Wilson discuss practical strategies for managing holiday stress, from navigating family dynamics and gift-giving anxiety to finding spiritual meaning and protecting mental health during the busy season.

Key Insights

Put Your Oxygen Mask on First

Like the airline safety instruction, you must take care of yourself before you can effectively care for others. If you're too busy to be merry during the holidays, you're doing it wrong. Rest and self-care aren't selfish—they're essential prerequisites for being present and of service to your family.

Notice Your Overwhelm Signal

Negative emotions during the holidays are telling you something important. When you're slamming the sugar around while baking cookies, that's your 'overwhelm tire light' coming on. Instead of thinking about what to add to your holidays, focus on what you can take away to reduce stress and increase joy.

Shift from Consumerism to Connection

The best holiday gifts aren't material objects—they're your presence, fun experiences, and curious questions about people's lives. Consider alternatives like framed photographs, handmade crafts, or written poems. These show togetherness and connection far better than the latest gadget.

Create Gratitude Rituals

Gratitude is a superpower that creates virtuous cycles. Going around the table sharing what you're grateful for shifts everyone away from politics, stress, and division. When you express gratitude to someone, it boosts their ability to notice good things, creating a positive spiral throughout your gathering.

Separate Spirituality from Religious Trauma

Spirituality doesn't require subscribing to organized religion. It's about recognizing we're more than just 'an animal with a big brain in a meat suit.' Connecting with love, humility, service, and compassion during holidays gives life meaning and increases joy through genuine human connection.

Notable Quotes

"If you can put the thanks in Thanksgiving and really just enjoy eating together and connecting over a table, it's incredibly powerful."

— Rainn Wilson

"It's the thought that counts."

— Rainn Wilson

"Like they say on the airlines like when the oxygen mask drops, like you put on your own oxygen mask first so that you can put it on your kids later and other people's. And that's kind of how life works."

— Rainn Wilson

"If you're so busy there's not time for joy, I'm sure that's not what Jesus and the saints wanted from us."

— Rainn Wilson

"Phone on a shelf. Have your phone. Don't worry. Just put it up on the shelf. Have it not in your pocket. Interact with people."

— Rainn Wilson

Action Items

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    Implement the 'Phone on a Shelf' Rule

    During holiday gatherings, designate a specific shelf or basket for phones. Decorate it festively to make it part of your holiday ritual. This creates just enough friction to reduce mindless phone checking by up to 10x while still allowing access for photos or emergencies.

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    Start Dinner with a Gratitude Round

    Instead of (or in addition to) grace, go around the table and have each person share one thing they're grateful for. This easy icebreaker opens hearts, creates connection, and shifts conversation away from divisive topics toward appreciation and unity.

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    Delete Email from Your Phone Temporarily

    Remove your email app from your phone during the holiday week. Check email just 2-3 times daily from your computer instead of 20+ times from your phone. This breaks the compulsive checking habit and creates clear boundaries between work and family time.

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    Take Short Nature Awe Breaks

    Step outside during busy holiday days to notice nature—stars, trees, birds, the moon. Even brief moments of awe and wonder provide significant health and psychological benefits while helping you feel less overwhelmed and more connected to something larger than holiday stress.

Full Transcript

Transcript of Holiday Survival Guide II: Perfect Gifts and Fighting Fatigue ft. Rainn Wilson | The Happiness Lab from The Happiness Lab. Auto-generated from episode audio; may contain minor errors.

Happy holidays, Happiness Lab fans. This is supposed to be the most wonderful time of the year, but many of us kind of wish December came with a survival guide, which is why we asked you to tell us all your holiday stresses so that I and my special seasonal guest, actor Rain Wilson, can help find some solutions. You probably know Rain from Dwight on the Office or has countless other acting credits. But Rain is also an author and a podcaster with lots of wise things to say about spirituality and what it means to be human.

If you haven't already, you should check out his show, Soul Boom. Last time, Rain and I discussed dining table dynamics, like how to diffuse political arguments over dessert and how to deflect annoying questions about your lack of a love life, but we only scratched the surface on all the seasonal wos you asked us about. So, let's dive back into that conversation. conversation. conversation. So, Rain, I'm just curious like when you think about holidays, what do you think about? Although I guess there's one thing you think about when you think about holidays which is you think about your wife whose name is holiday.

Correct. Correct. Correct. My favorite holiday holiday holiday holiday is holiday rock horn my wife. So during the holidays I'm thinking about holiday. Um but listen I uh I'm a member of the Bahigh faith. We have our own set of holidays or holy days. Um, but I also grew up celebrating Christmas with big parts of my family and I have positive memories. My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving because I feel like if you can put the thanks in Thanksgiving and really just enjoy eating together and connecting over a table, uh, it's it's incredibly powerful.

But yeah, I have I have good experiences and and and pleasurable thoughts, but I know it can be fraught for a lot of people. Okay, we're gonna have interesting conversation because my instant reaction about holiday is not that it is awesome. It is like you say the holidays are coming and I feel my cortisol levels going up a little bit and my stress hormones and hormones and hormones and yeah, I'm not a winter holiday fan. I'm a Halloween girl. I like the costumes. I like the spooky.

I like the candy. Thanksgiving's fine, but the winter holidays, yeah, my stress levels rise. So, I'm going to need your help here. You got it. Here we go. Okay. Gift giving. Holidays feel like a time when we're supposed to be giving people stuff and it means that we sometimes get sucked into the consumerous culture that makes us feel kind of crappy. Um, and this was something that Rachel brought up. She noted that her holiday happiness sucker is the stress of gift giving. How much to spend?

Is it a good gift? Do they actually want it? Who do I have to buy it for? Feeling shame or guilt if someone got you a gift and you didn't match the gift. How can we get past the consumerism in the holiday season? And I think the answer, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the answer is not princess unicorns in the office. I think that that's like maybe not the answer. Is that Is that Is that I was actually going to say that it is exactly the answer cuz if everyone just gave each other princess unicorns, the world knows.

Princess unicorn dolls is for anyone, you know, office fan, unicorn fan, princess fan, toy fan. It scratches every itch. For those who don't know, an episode of The Office in which uh Dwight is buying up all the Princess Unicorn dolls because they're the hot toy of that year. And it's uh the catchphrase is my horn can touch the sky and it's a unicorn girl with a big horn. I think you can actually buy princess unicorns out there. I think they market them, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's a it's a great episode and a great stocking stuffer.

You know, one thing that drives me crazy, Lori, is like the pressure to bring something over when you go to visit someone or to have dinner with them, like you've got to bring a bottle of wine or flowers, maybe chocolates, but or something from your garden or a little plant, right? But those are and like why do we do that? We don't have to do that. It I don't like it. I when people show up like here's wine I don't drink. Here's some chocolates. I'm trying to lose weight, you know?

Here's some flowers. Great. They'll be alive for four days and then I got to throw them out and dump out the stinky water. Like, why do we keep doing that? It's Well, this I know you don't go through this, but this is like on extreme overdrive in the holidays, right? Where families try to one up each other and they're really worried about that. And so yeah, I mean given that you experience it in the context of the going over the folks houses for the gifts, like how do you deal with it?

I mean, one one of the strategies I like to tell people about is to try to get back to the best kinds of gifts, which are your presence, maybe a fun experience, curiously asking someone deep questions about their lives. Those are the things that are going to make them feel much better than, you know, a pair of socks or, you know, a new gadget or something like that. So, getting back to the, you know, the reason behind the season, as cheesy as it sounds, the reason behind the season.

I I love that. Yeah. I um I think a a framed photograph is always good and you can get a maybe even a photograph they sent you throughout the year or something like that. Get it because a lot of people, you know, we have these libraries of like 15,000 photographs in our photo library that we only occasionally pop up in memories. people rarely stop to get them kind of printed out and um put on their shelves. So, I'm just just bonus. I'm not really dealing with the psychology behind it, but bonus a photograph is always a great stocking stuffer.

stuffer. stuffer. And the beauty is I think relative to other gifts, relative to like, you know, I don't know, an iPhone or a trip to Europe or something, it's actually pretty cheap. pretty cheap. pretty cheap. Yeah, pretty cheap. And that gets to a different thing that comes up in the holiday season, which is the stress of finances. partly about gifts, but partly about, you know, having the best holiday presentation and how much food you buy and all this stuff. Traveling to visit family members, this can be a time when people are feeling like they just don't have enough.

Any advice for kind of that crunch feeling where you're like, I just feel like I don't have enough money right now. right now. right now. Yeah, I mean, I think that if you have to cancel, I think that that's fine to take care of your finances. And I I just think on the family's part, we have to always be very cognizant of like, you know, what percentage of someone's salary or savings are they doing? Cuz flying has gotten way more expensive, by the way. I don't know if you've noticed it, but used to kind of be able to fly anywhere for like, oh, 200, 400, 600 bucks.

You kind of get anywhere. Now it's like double, triple that. It's a it's a big investment. So, we have to just be very sensitive to where people are financially. Yeah. But I I I don't know. What do you think? What do What do you think? What do you tell folks when they're you What do you tell folks when they're struggling with their balancing commitments and obligations and they want to be a part of a family, but you may not be able to to afford it. And that maybe that makes brings low self-esteem cuz you feel like I should have more money to be able to spend $3,000 to travel my family for a Christmas trip.

Christmas trip. Christmas trip. Yeah. Well, I think this gets back to figuring out what things are really about and maybe something I know you talk a lot about in Soul Bloom, which is like coming up with your own rituals, right? We had the rituals that we're supposed to do. You know, we fly to the family and we have all these presents or whatever it is, but we can get creative with the rituals if we figure out the value that's under it. like the value is that we're spending some time together, right?

You know, maybe that means we get together over Zoom and we play some like, you know, goofy games. We go back to like old co days of like connecting that way if you can't fly out or we do no presents. You know, maybe all the presents are just crafts or something we make for each other or it's photos that we print out, drawings that we give each other, write poems for each other. It sounds cheesy, but really what we want to be doing is showing our togetherness and connection.

And you know, the latest gadget isn't really going to do that. Well said. Yeah, I love that. All right, here's We had lots of questions on gift giving. I know this is not your domain of expertise. And so maybe I'll have I'll have you ask me the question. question. question. Okay, let's do it. I like this one cuz it really feels a little bit out of office Christmas special. Like maybe it actually happened on the office, but you can Yeah, you can tell me. Okay, here it is.

This is from an anonymous viewer. I once gave an office mate a foot massager. the very same gift she had given me the year before, which I had forgot. Then I had to make up something about how I knew she liked it so much that I got her one, too. Very embarrassing. Taught me not to regift. regift. regift. Uh, that sounds like an episode of The Office right there. That is something absolutely absolutely absolutely so many characters Dwight, Andy, Michael could regift, be like, "I got you that last year." Like, "Oh, no, no.

I knew you liked it, so I I got you a new one. But um I'm a huge fan of regifting. In fact, I talked about people coming over like they'll give like little things or chocolates or sometimes it's like coffee and we have this secret stash of like the stuff we've been given and we're going to take that out. I have a little baggie, a beautiful little baggie with some gourmet coffee beans in it that someone gave and I I can't wait to go over to someone's house.

I'm just going to grab it off the shelf and be like, I got you some coffee. So, I'm a big fan of the regifting. But yes, you think there's nothing nothing wrong with this. You maybe write down on a little post-it note who gave you the coffee so you don't give it directly back to that person when you find it in the regift closet. I like to live dangerously. Go for it. Yeah, I live on the edge. I may give it back to the exact same person who gave it to me.

That's how I roll. But, um, yeah, I think uh I think regifting is is is awesome. Okay. All right. Well, we'll we'll leave that one in there. I think maybe a piece of advice for this particular person is a little bit of self-compassion. We all give gifts that like bomb sometimes. Um I have occasionally given a gift to someone that I gave them the year before. Not regifted, but just like literally the same gift cuz I didn't have a good idea of what to get them.

And so that's a time to take a deep breath and say, "Nobody's perfect. Everybody gives crappy gifts sometimes. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's the thought that counts." The thought that counts. which is a nice transition to how we can have thoughts that don't feel so overwhelmed during the holiday season. Next holiday woe that we heard lots of folks bringing up is how we can prioritize balance and rest in a tough holiday season. One anonymous listener on Instagram said that her holiday woe is that it's so hard to be merry with so much to do.

How do we find ways to take stuff off our plates during the busy holiday season? Boy, um that's great. I feel like this should have been an episode for the office ladies. I feel like Jenna and Angela would have like nailed these questions so much. Well, we we could do like I could call them up and see we'll do a second round and I'll do exactly the same questions with them with you. Uh I I love it or they'll do next year's Christmas episode. But yeah, you know, my favorite analogy, it's used a lot and people have probably heard it, but it's like they say on the airlines like when the when the oxygen mask drops, like you put on your own oxygen mask first so that you can put it on your kids later and other people's.

And that's kind of how life works. Like we have to take care of ourselves first um so that we can be there for other people. And the purpose of that is is so that we can be there for others and be of service to others. So, it's super important to get enough rest, not overwhelm, you know, ask people for help. Again, that perfectionism. And I would love to hear a little bit more about how perfectionism works and it often times takes us so far away from joy.

Just that that pressure we put on ourselves to exceed expectations, the to get self-esteem from what we do instead of who we are. Because I think a lot of that like that like that like if you're if you're really that busy that you can't be merry, you're doing Christmas wrong. Something's wrong. If you're so busy there's not time for joy. I'm sure that's not what Jesus and the saints wanted from us. Yeah. I think it the key is that like we need to again it gets back to this idea of vigilance, right?

like you kind of have to notice what's going on. And and and it gets back to this idea that negative emotions are telling us something really important. We were talking before about grief and sort of noticing our sadness. That means we need space and time to deal with it. I think an emotion we really need to notice and allow during the holiday season is overwhelm. Like you know when you're baking the cookies and you're slamming the sugar around, you're like like that's telling you, oh, this is a signal like like the tire, you know, button coming on in my car.

This is a signal that my, you know, overwhelmed tire light is coming on and I need a break. You know, I need to maybe do a little bit less, less events, less stuff, take something off the plate. When we think about having a happier holiday, we often think what we could add. You know, we need more presents or we need more time or more Christmas carols or more whatever it is, we often don't think of what we can take away. But I feel like the solution to so many of our holiday woes is take something off our plate.

For example, taking some work off our plate. This was something we heard a lot, which is that a lot of people have a hard time being merry in the holiday season because they experience a lot of work stress. Ulia on Instagram says, "Hey, I saw your post about the holidays. Here's my woe. It's hard for me to stop and settle into a relaxed rhythm without thinking about work. Any ways that you can fight workcoholism in the holidays that you're settling in with the hot chocolate, but back of your mind is like you have to edit that podcast riff or like there's there's emails in your inbox.

Who's going to answer them? Yeah. I just uh I think that uh workcoholism is something that has to be unpacked. So it often comes from kind of a a over most overused word of the decade, trauma. But there often times is a trauma component to workcoholism of like I'm only going to get love by accomplishing. And not only that, I've got to accomplish a lot. Not just accomplish the the regular amount. I've got to accomplish more than anyone else. And that is going to get me love.

It's going to get me noticed, get me acceptance, get me embraced, get me complimented. And um if that is the case, that's going to take a little work. That's going to take years, not months, to kind of undo about um it's kind of like it's similar to like a deprivation mentality. There's so many people that grew up poor and they just feel like they need to earn in order to survive even though they've got plenty of money, but like a kind of a panic sets in.

It's like the old stories about people that grew up in a in an orphanage, but they and then they're living in a multi-million dollar house later on in life, but they still hide cookies under the mattress. And this is a phenomenon. This actually does happen where there's a feeling of safety of having that cookie under the mattress. So, workcoholism, you know, a a deprivation mindset, these are kind of cookie under the mattress moments and you've got to go back to the beginning of like, hey, where did this come from and and and and why?

So, sometimes it's hard in the holidays, you just got a lot of it's the end of the year, you got a lot of stuff due and it's it's just how it shakes down. Um, being prepared, planned, say, here's going to be my work days. Here's the days I'm especially with phones and emails. I took email off my phone. Nice. Nice. Nice. Cuz I feel like, you know, I could check my email three times a day from my computer. I don't need to be checking my email, Lori, email, Lori, email, Lori, 20 times a day and getting back to people.

I always feel this compunction. I got to get back to him right away. The itchiness. The itchiness. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I could slow it down. 5:00 p.m. I'll get on. I'll I'll respond to three or four emails and and then move on. But, you know, we've got to unpack this workcoholism, see where it comes from, and recalibrate to feel like I am enough. I'm going to have enough self-worth. I don't need to accomplish so much and be so perfect in order to get love.

Yeah, this is great because I there's two pieces of advice in there. One kind of local for the holidays and one broader local is do little silly hacks to get the work out of your holiday celebration. So if that means just deleting your email app just for you know one week in December while you're home with the family great and then it'll make it a little bit harder. Give yourself a little bit of friction to go to the normal itchy finger check your email or jump into work.

That's the kind of local of local of local and let me let me say part two of local one another thing that really works because I am a phone addict. Okay. Straight up. Phone on a shelf. Elf on a shelf. shelf. shelf. Phone on a shelf. Yes. Yes. For your holidays. Here. You heard it here. Phone on a shelf, folks. Phone on a shelf. Have your phone. Don't worry. Just put it up on the shelf. Have it not in your pocket. Interact with people. You feel that itch?

Just go over to the shelf. You can check it real quick. If you want to take a photo, go get it. Take the photo. Put it back. But this will reduce I don't know what this the data is but for me when I do something like that I would say I'm interacting with my phone 10 times less but I'm not missing out on anything. Yeah. This is the sad thing about human psychology is how easy it is to put in a little bit of friction. Like it's not like you put your phone in Antarctica like it's just on a shelf or or a safe or something or a safe you have to crack it.

No, it's just on a shelf, but just not being in your pocket, in your hand, right next to you on the dinner table, it just makes it a little bit trickier to go for it. And yeah, you'll just use it a little bit less. So, phone on a shelf. # phone shelf 2025. shelf 2025. shelf 2025. There you go. # phone on a shelf. My wife and I used to host these like kind of youth events when my son was a teenager and pre-teen and um we would always have a basket and all the phones go in the basket and cuz a bunch of 15year-olds doing activities or playing games or or what have you is so much better when they're not just on the phone documenting everything looking all the time.

And maybe families can do that. Can you have over the holidays? You find a great deal more connection and mental health by putting phones in a basket or kind of say, "Hey, for this dinner, dinner, dinner, I've got a basket. Everyone, let's put your phones. What do you think?" And you could decorate the basket. It could have little pieces of Holly or like you know, manora symbols or whatever your own faith tradition is to put the phones in a basket or characters from like one floor of the cuckoo's nest because it has to do with mental health.

So, you know, deranged human beings and say, "We're not going to end up like these people. We're going to put our phone in a basket." But that might be something you want to communicate ahead of time to say, "Hey, for our Christmas dinner, I had this idea. What if we put our phones away and not just in our pockets, but away?" I We got off track here a little bit, but there was something else you were going to bring up. Oh, but that Yes. But there there was there was the meta point which I love, which is workahololism.

you're not going to solve it between, you know, December 24th and December 26th. It's a bigger issue that you need to process some trauma and so on. And I think this is a broader point for everything we're talking about here. Like some of our families have some deep-seated stuff. Some of us are going through some grief that's really hard. Some of us are navigating lots of perfectionism beyond just the holiday dinner table. Take a breath. You don't have to solve everything over the holidays, but noticing those moments of frustration, noticing the pain points during the holidays gives you a nice checklist of things that you can pay attention to in the new year when you get a little bit of a breath later.

So, it's kind of, you know, if your tire light comes on, you don't necessarily have to immediately screech off the road and deal with your tire light then, but you kind of take some time to put it in the queue to deal with later. I think when these holiday w come up, it's often a great signal to us that like, hey, there's something I might need to pay attention to down there. You you make a great point here which I think encompasses all of the questions we've been talking about which is like what needs to be handled over the holidays and what needs to be handled over the 11 months that or 10 months that aren't the holidays.

Yes. Yes. Where's like wow I am a perfectionist or wow I'm a workaholic or or wow I feel lonely when I'm in groups or you know I feel a pressure to have the perfect gift or whatever it is there's stuff to be worked on throughout the year so that you're better prepared for the holidays and then there are stuff to kind of like like you say quick fixes and hacks and little things you can do to make your holidays better. There may be, you know, some a real tough conversation you have with yourself, with your therapist about, hey, I want to work on X, Y, hey, I want to work on X, Y, and Z so that I can go into the holidays next year with more joy and more freedom, you know, big We now get to our last set of holiday challenges that we all need to do better about.

And this is why I'm especially excited to have you on the show because our last holiday challenge is ways that we can create more meaning and joy. And I think you of all the people I know have done have had some of the best insights into what we can do to deal with this crisis of spiritual meaning that we have all the time. But I think this comes out uh a lot during the holiday season. I know Soul Bloom talks a lot about what we can do to fix our spiritual crisis.

Any soulful ideas, rituals, strategies we can use to feel a little bit more spiritually connected during the holiday season? A lot of people equate spirituality with religion for a very good reason. There's a big overlap between spirituality and religion in the in the ven diagram. Um a lot of people view it as kind of synonymous with faith, synonymous with let's say church on Sunday or something like that. So the first thing to do is kind of separate spirituality from faith or religion or religious practice or the religion you grew up in.

Cuz a lot of times what the holidays can do is that can reignite a kind of a religious trauma that maybe you underwent. Perhaps you were forced to go to church 7 days a week or you were forced to be an alter boy or you were pressured in certain ways that you find very uncomfortable and triggering later later on in life. And so a lot of people are really resistant to anything having to do with spirituality because of certain religious trauma. So that's very real. But I think putting the rituals of whatever faith denomination you're involved in aside, what is spirituality?

Well, it's a it's a recognition that we are something more than the material. that whether whatever you want to call it, soul, heart, spirit, essence, life force, that there's something in us, about us, in our consciousness that is more than just, you know, an animal with a big brain in a meat suit. At least that's how I view it and people who walk a spiritual path like to view it. So there's certain things that go hand in hand with this concept that we are spiritual beings having a human experience for 80 90 years on the planet.

And it's connecting with love. It's seeking greater humility. It's service to others. It's increasing our compassion to see kind of universal divine qualities in people. So all of these kind of spiritual ideas can be brought out um at family gatherings over the holidays and um uh and help give our lives meaning and most importantly just help increase connection because we all know that it's through connection that we find the greatest joy and happiness. So these tools, compassion, service, humility, humility, humility, love, can give our lives meaning and can also give us joy and happiness.

And I think there's so much room to bring those in more during the holiday season, even for maybe some of the not so great parts of the holiday season. You know, we talked a little bit about grief, thinking about loved ones that have passed and so on. I think these are moments for developing little rituals where you can connect with them during these tough times in the holiday season. The holidays are all about nostalgia. you think back to your past and have these moments of like, man, it's been 10 years since we've been having Nana's lasagna and that can kind of give you a sense of awe about the time passing and so on.

So, it's like the these rituals are open for us in the holiday season, not just going to some, you know, like religious service, but really developing your own tiny moments. Um, and this is something I know you've talked about a lot in Soul Boom, too, that it's often not like the big things, it's like the tiny moments of wonder and connection that seem to matter a lot. Any recommendations for noticing and finding the tiny things that matter during the holidays? holidays? holidays? Well, something you talk about a lot is gratitude.

gratitude. gratitude. Oo, love gratitude. Love me some gratitude. gratitude. gratitude. It's a superpower. So holiday gatherings can when you feel overwhelmed like, "Oh, Aunt Conniey's wearing that perfume again and Uncle Ronnie won't shut up and Aunt Nana's chewing with her mouth open and so and so's being passive aggressive." Like help shift your mindset to one of gratitude. Like what what are you grateful for? Oh, so everyone's healthy. Um that we all get to be together. That there's great kindness here. that I'm grateful for the childhood that you know my parents help give me.

And we can do that internally. You can do that with a list. It's really it's also, as you know, more helpful to share that gratitude with someone. You could do it by text, but it's even better over the phone or in person. To share a gratitude takes it to the next level. And maybe this is something to bring into uh instead of you talked about spiritual practices little things like instead of grace or in addition to grace go around the table and one thing you're grateful for.

It's a easy icebreaker. It connects people. It opens their hearts. It shifts things away from from politics and and division and less than and stress. Um there's so many different ways to harness the power of gratitude uh for these kind of uh events. Yeah. And another thing we know about gratitude is that it can be a virtuous cycle, right? You know, you say one thing you're grateful for about your aunt at the dinner table. You know, I always love your cookies. You know, it makes me grateful every every year when they come.

But then that boosts her ability to notice the good stuff in life because kind of shifts her negativity bias ever so slightly towards the positive. Then she sees it better. And so you can develop these spirals during your holiday get together where if you seed some gratitude early on, it makes it easier for other people to find gratitude and joy later. The last thing I wanted to end with, which in theory should be part of the holiday season, is our sense of awe and wonder. Um, so often during the holiday season, I think we want to get certain positive emotions.

We want to eat delicious stuff and feel good that way or we want to get a good gift or have surprise. And I think one positive emotion that's really available to us that we forget is the power of wonder during this season. Any advice for how to get in a little bit more wonder during the holidays? Yeah, I just got to meet uh Derer uh Dhacker Kelner. Der Kelner who wrote the wonderful book called Awe and um the number of health benefits and psychological benefits to feeling awe and wonder are legion.

And it usually and can start in nature and it can again be another precious point of unity between people who feeling like politically divided or overwhelmed or what have you. You know noticing a hummingbird or a tree or you know or or growth or the moon or the stars. It's a powerful emotion and it actually increases your health. And just like gratitude, and by the way, gratitude is something you can just express. You can have a secret agenda to express gratitude. You can be like, "Hey, Aunt Connie, I'm grateful every year you make your brownies and you bring them and they're just so delicious.

I'm really grateful for you bringing your brownies each year." It could just be that simple can change a whole someone's whole day. And awe and wonder go hand inand with curiosity. and expressing those can have the same effect. effect. effect. I love your idea to get a little bit more nature in. I feel like I do this a little bit when I'm uh off in the Midwest for the holidays. Just take a little walk outside and look at the stars. It's often very cold, so you know, bring your hat and your mittens and all the things, but just like these tiny moments of experiencing nature, even in the midst of a busy busy day, can really slow you down and and give you that sense of awe and wonder.

Well, Rain, thank you so much for wondering about the holidays with me. I don't know if we've solved everybody's holiday woes, but I think everybody's going to go I think we did. I think we solved everybody's holidays woes. woes. woes. A happier holiday to all and to all a good night. Is that the saying? I forget. Something like that. And to all a good podcast. Dr. Lorie Santos and the happiness team. It's such a pleasure to see you again and and speak with you. and what a wonderful service you're providing some holiday inspiration and and guidance at one of the most stressful times of the year.

I hope my conversation with Rain Wilson shared at least one piece of advice that will help you have a happier and more restful holiday season. That's all from the Happiness Lab for 2025. But not to worry because 2026 is just around the corner and we'll have some advice for making your new year as happy as possible. If you've been feeling stuck lately, you're in luck because this January, we'll be back with a whole series on ideas for getting unstuck and moving forward in 2026. That's all next year on the Happiness Lab with me, Dr.

Lauri Santos.