You already showered and stuff? Is Hormone Therapy Healthy? | Mind Pump 2779

Key Takeaway

Before jumping on hormone replacement therapy, address lifestyle foundations first: optimize sleep, reduce overtraining, balance nutrition with adequate fats, and manage stress. Many low testosterone symptoms can be resolved through these changes alone. Only when these fundamentals are dialed in and symptoms persist should you consider HRT. Natural, healthy hormone production is always superior to synthetic replacement. Work with knowledgeable coaches to address root causes before resorting to hormones.

Episode Overview

This episode explores the rising popularity of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) for both men and women. The hosts discuss the health implications, quality of life considerations, and the critical importance of addressing lifestyle factors before turning to synthetic hormones. They emphasize that while HRT can be beneficial when done conservatively and under proper guidance, it should never be the first solution. The conversation also touches on how improved quality of life from balanced hormones often leads to better health behaviors like consistent exercise and proper nutrition, which may contribute more to longevity than the hormones themselves.

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Hormone Hormone replacement therapy. Testosterone replacement therapy. Taking hormones as you age. This is becoming far more popular than it ever has in the past. Today, more people are opting in for hormone replacement therapy than ever. But is it actually healthy? Is it good for you? That's what we're going to talk about today. Let's get to it. I sure hope so. You told Justin and I we should. He likes to set us up. I was going to say just kidding. Yeah, I just read a study uh no you know uh psych this is like this is a big topic topic of conversation now um in the health uh and fitness space and it wasn't I mean it really wasn't that long ago when nobody really talked about it that much.

Uh I know 15 years ago testosterone so testosterone replacement therapy was accepted uh far sooner than hormone replacement therapy. Hormone replacement therapy refers to, you know, kind of the general hormones that you would want to either, you know, mess with to bring up to, you know, youthful levels. Uh, but before that, men would just take testosterone. Um, and so that was accepted earlier on, but even 15 years ago, it wasn't super accepted. Much more taboo. No. And part of it is testosterone is a performance-enhancing hormone.

So, athletes would abuse testosterone. Of course, we know bodybuilders use testosterone and steroids. Uh so it was kind of like this taboo thing. Um but today more and more men and women are using hormones uh replacement therapy and women in particular now this is really starting to climb. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where you're seeing women uh when they're in parameopause and menopause bringing their hormones up to their youthful levels through exogenous uh you know methods. Um and so it's just everywhere. And one of the questions I get asked often is is it healthy?

You know, that's a big one. Like, is it actually good? Is it okay to Well, that new segment with the pmenopause, I mean, they see so much benefit from uh you know, going that route and like really looking into like hormone help, exogenous hormone help with that. with that. with that. So, I my uh you credit my my mother-in-law just how far ahead of her time she was. Um you know, she's been coaching and helping she's in her 70s and she's been coaching and helping people for you know, decades.

And I remember, you know, 16 years ago when I first came into the family, uh, she was like the first person I'd ever even heard tell her daughters and stuff that, you know, hey, when you're early in your in your 20s, go get your hormones all checked. Um, so we see where your baseline is because, you know, you know, in in your 30s to 40s, you'll want to make sure that's all balanced out. And a lot of that had come from just her experience. you know, she's had a lot of uh medical doctor friends that were ahead of their time also that were doing saying and doing things way more controversial than and what is widely accepted now, you know, 20 30 years ago.

And she would talk about like the just so many so many people that she would coach and help that she quickly realized that like the first thing before she would help them with uh life coaching so that she'd end up sending them to this doctor because she goes it was night and day difference trying to help somebody whose hormones were in balance versus somebody that was out of balance. and and so many people were so unaware of it, especially women, uh that you know, go get that checked, go have that all balanced out.

And she just saw this huge sign of difference. But that that was way way before it was popular. It's like just now becoming popular. It is. And a lot of people are talking about it. Doctors are coming out and talking about it and research is starting to emerge. Um we have uh more research on just testosterone replacement therapy or individual hormones than when they, you know, balance out the kind of the meu of them. But, you know, there's a there's a couple things to just kind of set the context here of this conversation because here's what I'll hear from people.

Um, it's not natural, right? So, I'll hear people say, "Well, yeah, you're supposed to go through parmenopause and menopause and maybe you're supposed to have lower testosterone in your 60s than you were when you were 18 or growth hormone that you know drops or whatever." Like, that's supposed to happen. So, that means that that's uh healthier. But there's uh we really have to paint the context properly because and we do this all the time on the show in regards to nutrition and fitness. We do this all the time.

So you could either look at nutrition and fitness as perfect uh optimization for longevity or you could look at it in our opinion in the more accurate way which is what's healthy but what also improves your quality of life. Y okay. So I'll give you an example of that. Alcohol. alcohol not healthy for you. There is no dose that's healthy. Period. End of story. So, I know in the past we've heard uh crappy studies that say like a glass of wine, it's not healthy in any way, shape, or form.

One glass of wine is bad for you. Uh 10 is worse. There is no amount of alcohol that's healthy for you. And yet, what we see in population studies is that sometimes alcohol consumption leads to longevity. How is that possible? It's not the alcohol, it's the it it's what you do when you're having it's the social component. It's the the improvement in quality of life in many cases. So you look at certain cultures where they're not drinking alone. They'll have a glass, but they're doing it with friends.

And really what you're looking at are when people are socializing and being I'm not talking about getting smashed. I'm not talking about all that stuff. But my point is uh life quality is also something we need to consider. not just what's perfect and the and so now let's talk about hormones. Um when a woman goes through menopause, okay, look at the data on this everybody. This is we have good data on this. Look at the rate of anxiety, depression, and divorce. When women go through menopause, spikes, yeah, yeah, yeah, through the roof.

I've seen those numbers. It spikes through the roof. It's a major hormone change. Yes, it's a natural one, uh but it's a challenging one. And I think what we've done, especially to women, is we kind of gaslight them into saying, "Look, we just deal with it. Your grandmother dealt with it. Your mom dealt with it. Just deal with it." Meanwhile, they're going through and this thing and they're like, "I feel horrible horrible horrible and I'm angry or I'm I'm anxious and what's going on. I don't feel like myself, you know, type of deal." So, we have to consider quality of life and also look at longevity.

You have to look at all those things. Well, this this was my point earlier about my mother-in-law. Like the if you were to ask her what were the the the majority of her clientele, like majority of our clientele we trained, we could tell you a percentage a large percentage were, you know, middle-aged women is what we coached more than anything else. And women that were going through menopause was like her number one clientele. And they normally would come to her when they're when they were struggling with their marriage, their life, and their things.

And so she quickly realized that like you going through this and getting your hormones balanced and fixed makes this it's it's hard. Life is hard. Marriage is hard. It's not going to fix things, things, things, right? Kids are hard. All these things are hard are hard are hard when your hormones are all out of whack too. It just exacerbates that to the 10th degree. and then also disrupts things like sleep and recovery and poor sleep and poor recovery on top of hormones on top of the I mean so it's not weird to me that the data to your points to all these things like depression and divorce and all that stuff like that of course you know stop guessing why your energy's gone flat our free testosterone guide reveals the real strategies to boost your testosterone like lifting heavy eating for results getting sunlight and fixing your sleep don't Let the low drive run the show.

Grab the guide now and take control of your performance. Also, four MAPS workout programs are half off right now. MAP starter, MAPS Transform, Maps Anabolic, and Maps Performance. They're all half off. Go to MAPS January.com. Use the code new year50 for the discount. Now, now we'll just talk about testosterone because we do have good data on testosterone alone. And for a man, and I'm going to speak carefully here, but I've confirmed this with a lot of the um experts we've had on the show who are actual hormone doctors, it tends to be easier to do hormone replacement therapy for a man than it is for a woman.

In many cases, for a man, it's literally just testosterone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, we have good data on this is my point with this. And so, when you see the when you look at low testosterone, clinically low testosterone, what does that number look like? It's probably below a total of around 300. This is what the the lab results uh the lab measurements will show. So below a a total of 300 is clinically low. You see negative health effects, measurable negative health effects. Uh things like in increased rates of bone fracture, obesity, obesity, obesity, uh you know, some cancer rates actually get worse.

Heart disease in some in some studies actually gets a little worse when testosterone is clinically low. Um, now that's if you're clinically ill, but what if you're around 400, 450, but you have symptoms of low testosterone, uh, like low libido, low energy, energy, energy, um, low motivation, low drive. Well, then now we're looking at using testosterone as a way to in improve quality of life, which I would argue quality of life may actually contribute to longevity as well. And I think we can get carried away with that.

But I do think having a better quality of life uh and we can look at separate data that shows when you're happier, you have more energy, you're doing things you enjoy, you tend to live longer versus when you're more depressed and anxious and those types of things. It's hard to really uh single it out. But that's where I would bet. So my point is this is much more complicated uh than people are led to believe, but again like I think it's all of it. So when you look at the forward thinking or you talk to the forward thinking hormone specialists today, they do a combination of tests and measurements plus asking them how is your quality of life?

How do you feel? you feel? you feel? Well, this is why I think there's so much value to even somebody who is young, feeling healthy, and in their prime getting full panels to see where their baseline is because now you got a a reference. Yes. So to your point, uh, you know, and and Doug's a great example of this is somebody that, you know, naturally has these really high testosterone. Imagine, okay, when he gets in his mid70s or 80s, if he were to have never tested before, didn't know his baseline is, and they test him at 75, 80, and they're like, "Bro, you're you're 500.

You're at 500. You're amazing. You're for your age. Oh my god, you're amazing." Little did they know that he's been running at a,000,000 1,000 to,00 for most of his life. and he might be having all these symptoms like I just feel so weak and tired and he's all these symptoms because his testosterone levels have cut in half of what most of his life he's used to. You wouldn't he would never known that had he not been consistently doing his blood work. And so for the listener who's like, "Oh, I'm fine." Or, "Oh, I feel good." Or, "I'm in my prime." I I think there's so much value to go get a full panel and get an idea of what that data looks like because at some point uh that will change for everybody.

It changes for everybody. for everybody. for everybody. Well, my my argument around it looks kind of like this. Like of course if you go crazy in any direction uh you know if you're trying to you know dramatically improve performance, you start to go in that route like you're going to start sacrificing health and longevity. If you kind of do things in a realistic way, or should I say in a conservative way with hormone replacement therapy, in my opinion, if it improves your quality of life, it's probably going to improve your longevity.

Not necessarily because your improvement in quality of life, although that's part of it, but I think it's because it encourages behaviors that tend to contribute uh to longevity. So, what do what do I mean by that? I've worked with enough people now to know that when they're feeling crappy and then they go on hormone replacement therapy and they feel way better, they work out more. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. They have better eating habits. Uh when people feel crappy, anxious, depressed, low energy, we tend to reach we tend to reach more for the hyper palatable quick fix foods that make us feel good temporarily.

We tend to drink more. We tend to do things more to kind of self-medicate. You're more reserved. You're pulled back. less movement is happening. There's a lot of downstream effects. That's right. So, so if it improves the quality of your life, which then leads to better behaviors, uh then I think it does improve longevity because again, we've worked with enough people, people tend to work out more. I mean, I have I have people that are close to me, both men and women, that went on hormone uh therapy and they're like, "Oh my god, I'm I'm working out a few days a week again.

I feel like I can. My diet's on point. I'm motivated." So I'm like, okay, well uh that alone has got to have a a good uh contributing factor to your longevity just doing that. So, just to play devil's advocate, because there there is a a downside or a there is a a downside or a challenge that I've seen some of my clients that that go this direction or that I've I've had on hormone replacement therapy is sometimes there are things lifestyle changes that they could be making that could show an an improvement and they go the synthetic route and so then those signals seem to get blunted.

For example, like they could fix their sleep first, right? Exactly. Like there's there's there's clients that I've had before that are overtrained, overstressed, not sleeping very well, then they they go on hormone replacement therapy and of course they feel better, right? Cuz a lot of those things that they were doing to their body was suppressing their natural testosterone levels. And so that would be the one um the one thing that I would would would warn people that don't have any sort of guidance through that. It would be because you know the the problem with its popularity now too is everybody everybody everybody go straight there without a drink.

Yeah. And everybody in their mother now has access to a hormone replacement clinic now and they're they're like it's like medical marijuana today is what medical marijuana was just 15 years ago. They're popping up all over the place and you don't know who's a great who's great who's not. There's a lot of easy easy access to it and and you hear even some young people that are taking it probably well before they even need it. And so the one thing that I would caution is that you know there's there's a lot of lifestyle changes that will give you uh low testosterone like there's like you if you have chronic bad sleep you chronically overtrain and undereat um you know and or and don't hit essentials and fats and do things like that like man this will this will give you similar symptoms as low testosterone and and a lot of times the testosterone could just mask that and so addressing that I think or having somebody who's coaching you through that process This I think is so valuable because if I had a client that we were coaching here and they were like, "Hey, I'm thinking about going on home replacement therapy." We would address those things first to see if I can I can do that.

And then if still he's like, "I don't I'm getting good sleep or I get to bed at this time and um I'm eating this way and we've reduced the training from here and you know the work life balance is good and and yet I still feel this way. Libido's crashed. I'm still coming back at these numbers. It's like, okay, this you're a great candidate for this because it's going to be lifechanging. I'm glad you said that. Natural good hormone profile is better than a synthetic good hormone profile.

It's always the better option. Always a better option. And Dr. Lauren Fitz, she said it really good. She goes, "Yeah, we don't want to throw hormones on a dumpster fire." So, so it's like if your diet is terrible and you're not exercising, your lifestyle is unhealthy, uh, and you're going to just go take a bunch of hormones, um, not only is it not going to help you much, uh, but what it actually might do is it might actually be gasoline on a fire, you know, if you're have if you're in a procer state or pro heart disease state and I'm going to put myself in a high testosterone place or put some growth hormone on myself, it might actually be bad for you.

Yeah. Uh, and good hormone specialists know this. I don't The ones we know are really good. I'm sure there's some that are out there that aren't great and as evidenced by some of the plastic surgeons that are out there that continue to do plastic surgery on people. You're like, "Dude, what are you doing, bro? Don't you say something to this person?" this person?" this person?" So, I'm sure there's some bad ones out there, but the ones we know, uh, they won't give you hormone replacement therapy unless you're exercising, unless you're eating right.

You know, they're not going to put you on those things, uh, because they don't want to make things worse. Did you speaking of you brought up plastic surgery? Did you see the thread that that conversation started? started? started? No. No. No. Oh, you didn't see that? Oh, I was actually really uh I thought it was a really good thread. You know that conversation we just had last week, right? right? right? No. Yeah. Oh, the Botox. the Botox. the Botox. Yeah. Yeah. And I was I man, when we hung up the mics, there's It doesn't happen all the time because for the most part, I you know, I don't give a [ __ ] But this time I was just like, you know, I don't want I hope I didn't offend or come off as like at all.

I was judging. I was talking about a real conversation that my wife and I have that and and how I feel about it and and especially considering that I'm very aware of all the holistic things that you can do for for skin health and longevity and anti-aging and and I'm pro a lot of that stuff. I'm pro uh that and I'm all for trying to do that and I'm not a big fan of the other doesn't mean that I was and so I wasn't sure how it came off.

I don't listen to the podcast anymore. And so I remember when we hung up, I was like, ah, I hope that doesn't like but that but a thread started on our Facebook form. It actually started a really good discussion and a a lot of great positive feedback on us having that dialogue. Matter of fact, a lot of people thanked us for kind of putting it out there. There's a lot of people that uh that commented that were in their mid20s and so many of their friends are doing it starting.

Yeah. and they feel like they should they should and they're so they feel they feel all conflicted because they're the only friend who's not doing the Botox injections and they're 26 and it's just like whoa that's crazy but I mean that's again that's how it starts right and and then I brought up a long time ago ago ago that that real thing called perception drift and you just you you don't realize it and you had oh just a little bit of this or a little bit of that and then before long everybody kind of starts to look the same because they're doing kind of the same strategy with every single person and so I'm just yeah and they don't really know the other options alternatives out there and like just ways to just overall health is going to improve your skin and like uh all of that's going to kind of resolve itself like to a certain degree but I get it cuz like yeah there's a lot of uh these ladies that and a lot of you know my wife's friends it's it's it's just like the go-to it's just the the things I can solve this I see something here I don't like it I'm just going to solve it you know and then not really thinking any kind of downstream effect.

Isn't it interesting too how both sexes are guilty of this? Um I mean we get jacked for other dudes. You know, we claim it's in pursuit of women, but women already agreed that it's 12 to 15%. You know what I'm saying? saying? saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and and girls are the same way, too. I don't think any dude's just like, "Yeah, I totally love the Botoxed out [ __ ] plastic surgery chick." You know what I'm saying? So, they're obviously doing it for chicks, too. It's like both sexes are guilty.

And isn't that is that kind of kind of kind of I just deny that till I would walk in to like school or something and like I just I want to be the jack dad, dude. I I want to dominate, you know, I want to dominate, you know, I can't can't can't the dads who want to know. Yeah, the dads. I want Yeah, it's not the moms. the moms. the moms. I'm not I care about the moms. Isn't that Isn't that funny though? Is that Isn't that Is that is it's it's funny that we we I think both sexes claim that they do it for this.

It's like no, it's really it's Well, that's what you figure out as a dude. You start working out and you start building muscle and dudes start commenting on you. Yeah. Nobody else. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, it's a it's a it's a I I you know, it's it's there's not a lot from an appearance standpoint that being fit and healthy won't fix. I mean, right. Yeah. right. Yeah. right. Yeah. Just because the standard really, standard really, standard really, just because I've worked in gyms for so long, um, you know, you'll run into people who are in their 60s and 70s who are really fit and healthy, who've been doing it for a long time.

And I mean genuinely. I don't mean like fake fit and healthy, but people who are like men and women who are like, "Oh, no. I've been living this lifestyle forever. I love working out. They eat healthy." And you can see and and I remember I've brought this up before. There was this woman once, this is when I was in my I must have been 20. There was this woman once that was working out full gray hair um and she was older and she was working out.

She would come in all the time and I I remember was like, "Man, I want to say something to her. She looks amazing." So, I went up to her and I introduced myself and she was in I don't remember how old she was in her 60s and she had wrinkles. I mean, she she looked like a 60-year-old when you really looked closely, but she was so fit and healthy and vibrant. She's attractive. I remember thinking this is a 20-year-old. Like, oh my god, she's a she's an attractive woman.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and yeah, look, when you get if you're fit, as you get older, it's the first thing you want to tell somebody is how old you are. That never happens in real life. You talk to a fit person in their 50s, 60s, 70s. They'll try to insert their age in some way. Oh, by the way, you know, I'm 70. Yeah. And just kind of blow your mind. So, there's not a lot that fitness and health can't fix. I think we just try to bandaid it with other things.

But if you just exercise and kind of eat right and you know it really takes care of a lot of that. You know, you brought up this what you said about men and women. Dude, I got I got a study for you guys. Dude, don't play controversial stuff here. Oh snap. Oh snap. Oh snap. Uh but I think I think I don't think it's surprising. So there was a study in there was a 2025 college free speech ranking survey of over 59,000 US college students. It's a lot.

Okay. male students demonstrated greater tolerance for political enemies than women showed for their allies. So in other words, wait. words, wait. words, wait. So So So they're on like their team. Yeah. And and they're less acceptable. Wait, wait. Explain how they did this. How what was the survey? How were the questions? Do you have any idea? Did they greater tolerance for allowing campus speakers with opposing political views than female students did for speakers aligned with their own ideology? ideology? ideology? That makes no sense. Think about it.

I am. I am. I am. Think about it. What do women always say? What What do women always say? Well, I'll tell you. Here's I'll tell you another study. When men and women are are surveyed, would you prefer to have a male or female boss? Women more than men would rather have a male boss. boss. boss. That's what the studies show. So, this points to That's something else, though, dude. I well well well that's a male fantasy thing that I don't be like that though that's what you think you think you think Adam has to go there no so it says that uh that men are three and a half times more likely than women to be perfectly tolerant willing to allow any speaker regardless of disagreement okay okay okay than women are uh for even people with the same uh ideology yeah but that doesn't make sense to me why if they agree with them why they're they be they be they be they they may disagree on something whatever still looking for something.

Well, what it points to is re like there's research that shows this that just how just how just how uh like you ask a woman and she'll tell you, oh, women are way okay. So, I'm way harder on on each other than Yeah. Well, that's also there there we had that great discussion with Adam Lane Smith and we talked about uh CEO and COO and one of the strengths that a woman has is her ability to like poke holes in the plan like and to like and and do that.

And so that's also highlighting the strength of their abilities is that they are built in a way to like be skeptical is to question to poke holes to do those things like that. So what that that's also highlighting that I don't know if it points to that as much as there's other data that shows how how how well it all depends on how you want to read into it right if you read into it you can definitely read is it more of a jealousy thing is that it's alluding to well so there's studies on this on how men compete and how women compete.

So, there are studies on competition. Men, when they compete with each other, it's very open head-on. We're going to compete, we're gonna see wins or we're gonna fight or we're gonna do this. When women compete with each other, it's very behind the scenes is what the data shows. And so, there competition behind the scenes versus, you know, like you look at like boys. I was just talking about this with my wife. We were driving and we we stopped the stoplight, had the window open, and there's these four boys hanging out, and they're like, "Hey, Mark, what are we going to do?" "Yeah, Mark, where are we going?

We're going." And I'm like, you'll notice this with boys immediately. They elect a leader and they follow and they go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas women, it's more of a consensus. It's It's It's Do you also think that's partly because that's not that's not a natural natural thing for them? It's not natur like with a bunch of dudes that were naturally meant to lead. One of the guys is going to step forward and do it, then the rest of us fall in line. Or maybe with the women, it's just like, oh, I'm not sure who is, you know what I'm saying?

Like, so, so in the com competitive studies, it again, they show it's behind the scenes. is very much like we're going to talk, we're going to make consensus. I'm going to build an alliance over here, me, you, and you. Let's decide that we're not going to we're going to do this and we won't tell her, but we're going to work behind the scenes to figure that out. Whereas dudes are like straight up head out head on. And so this is kind of what it's pointing to.

But I think and this study was flying all over social media because of course people are poking fun at each other with it. Well, since we're going down this sexist direction, we're going to get we're get roasted for this conversation. We may as well go all the way in. We may as well go all the way in since I heard something that I thought was an interesting interesting interesting hot take that I thought was just maybe go like, oh, that's there something that is not talked a lot about on social media that I think we are watching unfold.

And maybe there's maybe there are some studies that you can connect these dots to or you'll find this interesting that I thought was an interesting point is that never in history have you had a time where u women can put themselves out there in a risque way half naked or all the way naked and get all kinds of admiration and love and and likes and all this stuff and attention without any risk of danger. Oh, I see. It's safe. It's safe. Safe. Yeah. Safe. Yeah. Safe.

Yeah. And because of that, it's changing society and culture and the dynamic of because in the think about that for a second, just not even 100 years ago, but not but 50 years ago, if you were to put yourself in front of a thousand men half naked. naked. naked. Uh you would you would never do that because of the simple fact that the chances are in a thousand dudes, there's going to be probably a couple in there that you can't trust and are dangerous or or or Which, by the way, to be clear, it's still dangerous.

It's just safer. Yeah, still dangerous to also it depends where you are in the world. world. world. Oh, big time. Well, yeah, but that only holds true, holds true, holds true, but no one's really talking about that as like how that's really starting to shift culture and that dynamic. And I thought that was an interesting point that I heard and I thought, oh, I've never really thought about it from that angle and how that's probably not a good thing at all because that had a na it had a natural limiter there for that reason, right?

Like that if you were to do that in in society, it's good that it's safer. That's for sure. Yeah. Well, but now we're looking at what at what at what Well, then what what it it pushes but then you push boundaries because of that, right? Because now that there's this this this Well, yeah. You see that like if you look at the ones that are most successful, it's these Well, I I've seen this all over like Chris Williamson. A bunch of people have interviewed this lady Bonnie Blue, I guess her name is, whatever.

Yeah. With a bunch of guys like all thousands of guys or whatever. Interviewed her. Interviewed her. Interviewed her. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. And so it's because she's very bold and very like outspoken about, you know, being empowered to do these types of things, but empowered. empowered. empowered. Uh yeah, but you see this because it's it's now safer. Like there's a lot of volume in terms of your options. And so now it's like where do all the eyes attention go to the more risky like I'm doing this in public?

Like again, uh I don't know a whole lot about this story, but I guess recently, um the national championship just happened. Yes. Oh, tell me about this story. I saw it going around. It's going viral right now. now. now. Yeah. It was this girl. It's like a porn star that they panned over to Oh. from And she was from Miami like on the sidelines and like everybody I guess people recognized her for her body of work and uh and were concerned That's Justin. That was so politically correct.

correct. correct. Thanks. Uh I'm trying to work on describe these things. That's really good. But yeah, so she uh and I don't even know what the heat is. I think it's from like just cuz it's national television and like families like and so there was a lot of chatter of like why are you you know highlighting but so did the Okay, sorry to interrupt you but I'm like so curious cuz I just came in my feed. I saw so maybe Doug can start looking it up.

at was at the championship Indiana uh football and Miami Miami Miami college football game and the producer and the announcer panned over to her and so I just caught it. It's it's all over the news and so I didn't get a chance to like read into it but I'm like what is this? Why is everyone making such a big deal about I the girl I didn't know who she was she was she was so I didn't and I couldn't figure out why people were making captions like oh producer and uh and uh cameraman are going to go to jail or something like I'm like what what obviously did she make it or something?

No, no, no. She was just she was just in this cuz they just didn't want her on. But what I'm what I'm what I'm wondering is did the announcer the announcer must have comment. have comment. have comment. Yeah, they must have comment I I didn't catch that part of it. Are you looking it up, Doug? Look it up. Yeah, this actress is a Bella Danger. And um so during the game Miami and Texas A&M, Texas A&M, Texas A&M, the cameras caught her in the stands leading to massive social media media reaction.

reaction. reaction. I think it's funny that everybody recognized her in the first place. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's the funny part. Well, so that's what I didn't know was did everyone recognize her or did the announcer say something? Oh, I don't know. know. know. That's what I that's what I don't that's what I don't know because I saw clips of them saying that the cameraman and the announcer are the ones that are in trouble cuz they obviously knew what they were doing by panic.

panic. panic. The cameraman for sure knew like Well, they have to because Okay, they do this is uh we've seen this forever in boxing fights and UFC forever. What do they always do? Yeah, they pick the celebrities. They always pick the celebrities and the cameraman goes over to So, it's not to me it's not that weird. But it's obviously because of what she does, it's become controversial and because but it seems like I the only reason I bring that up was because of that fact of like well I don't know how acceptable you know it is in terms of culture right now like it might be shifting the the whole porn well the fact that that they highlight is is this her?

Uh yeah, I guess so. Okay. I don't I mean she's just dressed normal. Don't recognize her. Yeah. Well, no, I don't. But I Well, the Mo the one that I Does that Justin? Does that look like that's her? that's her? that's her? No. No. No. No. Yeah, I think I think you have the wrong one. wrong one. wrong one. The wrong one. Okay. It's Miami versus Indiana. Yeah, that's the game. Miami. No, that's the game. Her name is Texas A&M. Yeah, not Texas A&M. Indiana. Okay.

Well, maybe I have the wrong. It says fans lose their mind as ESPN shows. All right. So, this has happened before then. Oh, really? Oh, really? Oh, really? Has it? Has it? Has it? I guess. I guess. I guess. I'm trying to find it right now before games. games. games. Well, that's interesting. You know, you mentioned, Adam, you said earlier how there's like the checks and balances. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's true for so many things like um like um like um like there was a check for a long time if you went out in public and you said something really messed up or you harassed somebody or you you know you made a comment that was like what a jerk.

jerk. jerk. There was a risk of getting punched. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now, is it good that you get punched? No. But now that there's no risk of that because of social media, yeah, yeah, yeah, the narcissist types can now just just become popular because their takes are so controversial and so whatever, nobody's checking them like you would in the real world. And so they can go out and just say, "Well, remember "Well, remember "Well, remember and and so that's created this weird situation where the ones getting fame and attention and attention and attention are the ones who in the real world would not get that kind of cuz they couldn't.

They couldn't they couldn't they couldn't. It's like, you know, I see sometimes these dudes that'll make these like these real popular dudes that make these posts. I'm like, you know what that guy is? That's the guy in the group that at first you're kind of like, oh, he's funny. And then afterwards all the guys look at each other go, we don't like this guy. He's a weasel. Well, look at what's been on social media. Who's that famous uh virgin anti-semitic guy right now? What's his name?

Nick. Nick. Nick. Yeah, that's an example right there. That dude would never get a platform. platform. platform. No. No. You get beat up in the group. It's weird that he's so popular because he's propped he's propped he's propped cuz Well, maybe that or he's he's or he's he's he's attracting more kids that are that are like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you're you're right. Because you know, it's a good point. That was the best that was the of of the conversation that we had with Jordan Peterson.

That was my favorite part or take that he brought up because at that point, this was right when Elon was taking over Twitter. And there was this hope that Elon was going to go in and and save Twitter and make it this better place. And I remember asking him that question. And his response was, I don't think we can. Yeah. He and I and it blew me away because I had not thought about it from that perspective of the way the algorithm works is it rewards it rewards the crazy outlandish most extreme things that in a real society would never tolerate in in a in a real world where we were all in in a room or area the thing that goes most viral or everybody's talking about is not that that person would not be able to do that.

Well, there's also this myth there was this myth for a long time that uh you know strong powerful aggressive bullies if we got them out of the way then everybody would be better because we assume that the weak scared uh you know whatever frail guys would never be bullies if given power. We now see see see a lot of them have become powerful. A lot of them have developed become billionaires or millionaires because of tech and all that stuff. And guess what? They're they're just as bad if not worse.

worse. worse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because uh their power is much more farreaching. Yeah. So it's like, you know, um know, um know, um I I think human behavior is just human behavior. behavior. behavior. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you're right, those those those checks and balances, you know, back to like the the scantily, you know, you know, dressing scantily, all that stuff. For most of I mean, for a lot of human history, it was women that check women. It wasn't, you know, we look at men as the ones checking, but women really checked each other a lot because it was competitive.

if you're going to dress that way, you're going to attract label my husband or whatever. whatever. whatever. And so, uh, they would check each other quite a bit over that kind of stuff. I mean, all I mean, same things. You're I mean, for danger for danger of that. There's a different type of danger. No, no, it was competition. Well, I mean, okay. You think competition or like the danger of losing and wrecking your your nuclear family, you know? you know? you know? Oh, I see what you're saying.

I meant danger like physical danger. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yes. I mean, like, it's it's it's causing potential danger to society. It's like, you're going to impact potentially my nuclear family, which we cared so much about 50 years ago. You know what I'm saying? That we don't seem to care as much about. Anyway, I got to I want to talk Anyway, I got to I want to talk about the new meal replacement shakes that we got from Oh, how do you like them? They're delicious. They're delicious.

And your tummy Yeah, your tummy can handle them. handle them. handle them. Fine. Yeah. So, is the is the company? This is chocolate. Is that how you say it? Well, I think so. I'm going to Is that I always said Hule. Hu. Sorry. Well, he's expensive. It's like fuel. Why you make my protein powder racist, bro? bro? bro? Hey, I was looking at Adam when I Why you look at me while you do Hey, Adam. Hey, Adam. Hey, Adam. Fuel. Uh, it's that's hilarious. It's delicious.

So, it's it's vegan uh protein. So, so you get intolerance. Yeah. Macros are really good. So, this whole bottle is 400 calories. So, it's like a meal. 18 grams of fat, uh 28 29 grams of carbs, 35 grams of protein. Oh, 35 grams of protein. And the the protein sources that they use are really high quality. So, in vegan sources, pea protein, which is one of the main sources, is the highest in essential amino acid. Now, be honest because we know how hard it is to make a vegan protein shake.

Tastes really good. Really? Yeah, it's really good. Oh, you make me want to try. It's actually really, really good. Really? Really? Really? Yeah. It doesn't taste like a lot. I love I love that they're ready to drink. I'm like, so I like ready to drink protein shakes. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it's it's just super convenient. Uh, you know, put it in your fridge and you're and you're set. So the rich guy, you know, all right, dude. The guy spends all his money all his money on money on money on my Ferraris.

my Ferraris. my Ferraris. That's why all your all your money on supplements and shakes and bars. No, Hule is a it's a it's a really good company. Really good ingredients. Uh, you know, it's got omega sixes, omega-3s. It's got uh lots of nutrients, so it's not like a crappy, you know, a lot of times you see replacement shakes, especially ready to drink. Yeah. And they're basically just like trying to make it taste good. Yeah. But this is all of it. Well, I can't They got a line of all kinds of stuff.

So, and I know that our our fridge is stocked now that they're working with us. So, I'm curious to try I see them all over the place. They have like exploded in the last just the last year. I remember when they first reached out, but they didn't have the ready to drink yet. No. So, No. So, No. So, it's because they taste good. Uh, I mean the truth is when it comes to meal replacement or protein, yes, you want quality, one of those things. That's what we'll talk about.

We won't partner with anyone unless it's quality. But for it to be popular, it has to taste good. People just won't have a shake. I feel like you're making my argument that doesn't It's true. Now, I don't I'll drink anything, you guys. I'll blend up tuna fish. That's right. That's why the real test will be when Justin and I taste it. I feel like because I'm like, S is like, you know, you know, you know, Yeah. If you guys take it, it's sardines. You're both sardines in a can.

I'm trying to think who's more picky between the two. Justin. Justin's more picky. picky. picky. Way more picky. I was going to say you, but I'm like the goto. goto. goto. Yeah. You talking to the chicken nugget guy. guy. guy. I [ __ ] I [ __ ] I [ __ ] the guy orders chicken strip. More chicken nuggets. Then I dude, please. You guys are a chicken nugget in Iowa. It's fine. I I own it. I I have a question for you I I have a question for you since we're on a topic of supplements and some of that.

So, um, first of all, one, I didn't know that, uh, this parasite cleanse you got me on is like a like a gray market thing until I people started asking me about it and I realized that I'm not supposed to tell I told you that, too. I don't remember. Did he tell me it's gray market? gray market? gray market? I don't I don't market. I don't remember. I just trust this guy so much when he just tells me to take something. Yeah. And then I get people Yeah.

And then I get people asking asking, asking asking, asking asking, "Yeah, it's gray market, dude." Yeah. I didn't know that. So, Ivormeckin is part of it. You can get that. Oh, there I in it. Ivormectton's in it. Okay. Okay. Okay. And then fenbendol is the other one. And that's typically used with animals. But in other countries, people use humans use it all the time. It's been around for a long time and it kills every parasite. And so when you buy it, it's kind of like gray gray market.

market. market. Yeah. Cuz I I people were people are comment now asking. I don't recommend I can't recommend. We can't recommend. No, we can't. And I didn't either. Thank god I didn't. I've done all kinds of crazy stuff because uh I saw like uh uh you know functional medicine doctors commenting under people asking me going like uh you should probably consult your doctor before and I'm like I didn't know I was taking something gray market I had no idea I just but the reason the reason why I'm asking that so the one to bring that up just to make that clear by the way have you noticed any improvement any symptoms or anything like that like that like that you know okay yes but I I can I draw it back to that it's hard to say s because you've got me on so many supplements that I've never in my life have I taken consistently.

I have and I'm on my diet and I'm training really good and I'm coming I'm on my sec I'm finally two months recovered now. And so and I'm still not 100. I'd say I'm like 85 90. Nice, dude. Nice, dude. Nice, dude. So yeah, I had an an 84 sleep score. So I'm start I'm starting to see 80. I've seen are you using the epitalon? So yeah. So yeah. So yeah. Did that help with sleep? I mean again I mean you like you like to look for smoking guns.

I'm more like I'm doing all the things. I'm the kitchen scene dude. Uh I I well I'm doing all the things and so I think a lot of what I feel is a lot of everything that I'm doing. Again, main point of bringing all this up is to bring up one of our other partners and ask you that this this gray market thing that I'm taking, does it conflict with me taking seed? No. No. Keep taking your probiotic. Oh, cuz I stopped because I was I thought I thought Okay.

Would that be a good thing for me to be doing it more? Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, good to know cuz I had Katrina and I pause that until No, it doesn't. It will have no effect cuz the the the as the saga goes on, you know, Katrina's now taking it because we didn't know. didn't know. didn't know. We didn't know about that. I feel like he was Doug. I feel like he was really like gray like here, take this. You'll be fine. You know, that was like the the the vitamin C.

Doug's taking it. taking it. taking it. I've done it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you notice? I didn't notice anything really. Okay. So, I feel good, but it it could be a lot of things right now. So, it fixed my dude. It fixed my gut, bro. It fixed my gut. I mean, I the thing that I'm paying attention to the most, you know what sold me? You know what what sold me? I told you guys what sold me was I started reading up on um the the correlation between parasites and psoriasis.

And over 50% of people who have psoriasis also suffer from a Isis getting better. It Well, again, yes, right now it is. You know, although I did notice at first it was a little bad, but that would it also says on the parasite thing that you might notice symptoms get worse. It's called the herkimer effect. So when you get die off, you'll feel like some people feel like garbage at first. So this is what makes me think that it might be working is because I did the first week I had these kind of mild headaches every day.

My psoriasis did feel pretty bad and I actually those are dissipating or gone away and my psoriasis look like it's starting to get better right now. So again, um I'm doing all these Yeah, take take your probiotic. Take seed uh no matter what. No, same dose. Everything the same. I even look I I'll even tell you to take a probiotic when you're taking an antibiotic. Some people say it's a waste of time, of time, of time, but I think if you space them, it's not going to populate your gut, but I think it's good to even have good bacteria in there even if it's for a moment.

Okay. So afterwards, yeah. So you do it during during during I still do it during if I take an antibiotic at the A.M. I'll take the probiotic only main mainly to offset any overgrowth of of other things because you can get overgrowth of fungus and things that antibiotics don't touch and and probiotic even if it's in there temporarily or transiently. Um it it helps. helps. helps. Okay. Well, that excites me because I I thought I I exactly what you just described is what I thought I was wasting.

I thought I was way I don't want to waste No, dude. I'm excited that we got it here finally cuz we went I've been without seed now for a few weeks because they didn't send us any which makes me angry. Seed you guys. Thank you. I think they're here now. I think they're here now. Makes me so mad. So, I went and bought nothing like threaten them on their commercials. commercials. commercials. I bought products. Yeah. So, I bought some I had to go buy some myself.

Uh, and what a difference. Huge difference. It's like, oh man, I noticed a huge difference with my digestion, the inflammation with it. Huge. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, I I was reading an article, side note, on um something less sexist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Since we covered all that wasn't it was a study, dude. I had another thing I was going to bring up. I'm not going to bring up. Well, why don't you just poor get We're already getting lit on this. You may as well go all in.

I'd rather that than you put on another episode of Okay, fine. Girls are moody. I've been meaning to talk about this. Please get it out now. We're already We're already on fire right now. No, you you guys know my track record of like uh watching cult shows and and like you know on cult watch. Uh there's one I didn't realize and this this has been out for a bit on Netflix. It's called Orgasm Inc. But uh orgasm. Hey, they didn't get recommended to me. to me.

to me. Hey, it was a cult. Uh and it was run by women and dude. And what did they do? It was so they started Abella Danger. Abella Danger. Abella Danger. I mean, maybe she was part of it. But uh porn. Yeah. Yeah. Now everybody's going to Google her. Way to go. Um Um Um yeah, yeah, yeah, the porn star when he was younger. Oh, I used to watch Beth Sheba on the rooftop. She was great. What she um Anyway, so Orgasm Inc. is what Yeah.

So they they got popularity. I think this was a few years back. Um and I mean the whole message of it was like to get women to get an orgasm. Like they they they were like highlighting this whole technique and like so they would of course guys like you know sign up for this too and like they would come. They're basically like showed some finger technique and they're doing all this stuff and it's getting all graphic. Do do with your hand roll. I don't want to do that.

You're not going to get me to do this. I did just show it's so funny cuz it's like it was in San Francisco and it's like right in our backyard. Um, of course, and uh some of these guys are are something else. Like you should see what they look like. But uh so they're there doing the thing and you know this is all about so they're not uh getting their orgasm but they're providing it for women. It's a safe thing that they created whatever. Um it it turns into like she has a TED talk that like explodes and it's like all about like you know most women don't ever like actually have an orgasm and so and here's like how was the benefit you get you achieve spiritual something.

Yes. They started to turn it into that. It's almost always through a sexual. Yeah, it started with sex and you know and I was like okay I've seen this before but but I haven't seen it with women like really guy and directing and it the lady that was like in charge of this whole thing you start like getting further along getting to her backstory and it's like it's so dark like her whole thing was like she you know was molested raped uh and and then she gets over this by being like you know uh like I basically she's she's it has no weight or power over her.

So, so therefore, so hyper peniscuity. So, therefore, yeah. So, hyper promiscuity, but turns into like some of her followers that are going through all this like now she's including men in in the mix and they're complaining because they, you know, they're uncomfortable with it. So, there like rape's happening and she's like encouraging it like, well, it has no power over you kind of a thing. And I was just like, "Oh my god, this is dark." You know, like especially coming from like women, like it just seems so like so much worse.

But anyways, I was like, I didn't I if you if you if you It's always a man at the top. I was like, this is surprising to me. If you're ever in a spiritual percentage of female cult leaders, it's got to be very small. Like very very small, right? right? right? It's always dudes. Yeah. I mean, at least the Justin found, Justin found, Justin found, but I was like taking notes on the technique and technique and technique and Hey, come here. Hey, I know. I know.

Data guy over here, study guy knows this. What's the What is the p What is it, dog? You get it? You got it? got it? got it? They don't have an exact number here. Uh, Uh, Uh, but much less common than male. They don't give me a percentage. Okay. Okay. Okay. I I asked for a percentage and they did not give me one. you uh what what is uh chatbt chatbt chatbt what Justin said I had heard this before and I I don't know the the number but there there is a high percentage of of women that have actually never really orgasm from sex yes you do I don't know what the why would I know that you know this you're looking up every other stat but that I've never looked up I know he's playing dumb right now he's trying to stay out of trouble right now what his life was life I have no idea how I've never I've never looked that up could be 17.7% He's like, I know.

I'm batting 97% if you stupid. Stupid. stupid. Stupid. stupid. Stupid. What? What is that, Doug? Can you find that? that? that? What percentage of women have never I orgasm? Look at it. Like Doug loves the searches. searches. searches. Yeah. Great history going on here. I If you're in a spiritual movement that involves sex, it's always a cult. I feel like that's 100% of the time. I mean, that's like a dead giveaway. That's a dead giveaway. You know what I mean? You're like, "Oh my god, honey, this is sleep with the leader.

Everybody's so nice here." You know, on the first day, everybody give each other [ __ ] There's nothing about family or any of anything else like relationship wise. wise. wise. I don't know if this is correct or not. It says 10 to 15% have never experienced an orgasm. However, higherly uh higher percentages up to 50% report difficulty. Do you guys want to hear something crazy? crazy? crazy? Is it something different? No, I just remembered something. Okay, Okay, Okay, I'll be careful how I talk. I want to reveal who this was.

But somebody I knew, Doug. knew, Doug. knew, Doug. Adam, come on. That's what I'm supposed to be anonymous. A safe place here. Go ahead. Go ahead. Safe place. Safe place. Safe place. We'll say his name is Jug. No, no. Somebody I knew a while ago, a guy, guy, guy, okay, okay, okay, he had an issue. He was a friend of mine. He had an issue where when he would um orgasm, he didn't feel anything. Like it would get up to the point then he would orgasm and it just became a physical thing and he felt nothing.

So it caused issues in his he had issues in his marriage. All stuff happened. He hired a an e I don't know what they call it. Sex therapist or expert. And she I'm not making this up. This is a real This was a real therapist. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. She would she applied technique. She would she would Yeah. She would through therapy and then through manual stimulation, get him to orgasm and slowly would help him like feel. Was there some sort of obviously trauma attached to that when he was younger?

Oh, really? Oh, really? Oh, really? He's like I I would talk cuz we were friends so I don't want to say he was in a relationship with somebody else. He was married getting going through divorce divorce divorce and you know we would talk about this and uh cuz we were and no trauma attached to it. No, I asked him like bro cuz I feel like that's kind of a common thing. Yeah. Like if you have No, they said that she he said that they think there was some kind of disconnect uh in his brain or how the brain uh Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. But the crazy part to me was he had an actual legit licensed therapist that helps you that would give him Yeah. to fix you that would like I bet that was expensive therapy. I'm like and I remember I would talk to him. I'm like bro is it a therapist or you going to the Is this the same parlor dolphins? Yeah. And he's like no she's a she's a do I'm like she's a like a PhD like this what she does like how are you're not watching Land Man are you?

No. you? No. you? No. That's the the the scene where he So in Land Man. So uh what's the what's the old man in real life? What's his name? Sam uh Sam uh Sam uh Sam Elliot. Elliot. Sam Elliot who's like in I think his late 70s or 80s now. An actress cowboy. Yeah. real old cow like barely moving around. So with that and Billy Bob Thornton is his son and they have like this bitter angry you know relationship and like so he and his dad's stubborn man.

So he goes, one of the scenes is he shows up to a strip club and he comes over and he basically hires a stripper to go be a physical therapist for his dad in the pool and she's like not wanting to do it and he just keeps putting another $100 bill until he finds her price of like what and he's like listen he's harmless. He ain't going to do anything like and so just to get him to do exercise. Yeah. And he goes he goes I know my dad he won't say no to a pretty face.

You know what I'm saying? So just go there tell and she's like listen I'm not signing off. I don't know what I'm doing this and that. And so like the next cut of the scene is just his dad's floating in the pool like this and she's just she's in her little bra and underwear and she's just like swaying him back and forth. He's got this big grin on his face. She she she tells him later on like the episodes down the road she's like you do know that I'm not a a physical therapist, right?

therapist, right? therapist, right? I don't care. This is this is a show you guys keep talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's good. It's called Land Man. It's on uh Paramount Plus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Paramount Plus. We'll check it out. ButcherBox delivers high quality proteins, meats to your door. They have premium meats, 100% grass-fed beef, freerange organic chicken, pork raised crepe free, wild caught seafood, good prices. They deliver it to your door every single month. So, you get the protein, you get the healthy stuff that you want, good sources of meat.

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You guys are really really good role models on how to be a high quality valuable man and I really learned a lot from you guys. Uh I found you guys out a couple of months ago. I really appreciate all that you guys do. So, I want to say that first. first. first. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. Really means a lot. Yeah, for sure. Um so, so, so, I I'm sure you guys can relate to this. it is difficult for me to just kind of sit around and and not do anything.

So, I have been speaking to a lot of people, a lot of mentors about what to do with my question. So, I have found an answer. I just really wanted to hear what you guys think cuz I really really respect you guys and you guys are like, you know, my role models. I really wanted to hear what you guys uh think and if it's the right decision. Okay. So, I'll just tell you my question. It's kind of long so I'll say it as uh as quickly as I can.

So, a couple months ago, um, I just finished the the military. I just got out of the military and I just did my I just got certified from NASM as a personal trainer. So, I went to my local gym and it's probably it's the best gym in the area in my opinion. It's very big. They have clients coming all the time. They have the best trainers. It's a great work environment. And I spoke to the manager about working there and he told me that he's going to get to my application.

Um, he just has he's going in order of applicants based off of experience. Okay. So, it's going to take him time to get to mine. And it's been a couple weeks and he still hasn't gotten it back to me. And I spoke with one of the trainers there who has the uh who's been there the longest and he's one of my mentors. and he told me that every every um manager has a different thing that they're looking for, right? And he said this guy is looking for marketing experience, which I have none of cuz I've never really had like a real job besides for the military, right?

So, I don't have any like experience to show him that I can I can sell. So, it I don't think he's going to reach out to me, which is okay. I totally understand where he's coming from. He So, I I asked the trainer like, "What should I do, right? I don't know what to do." So he told me that that my options. So what I could do is um I could look for some kind of job where you sell, right? Like in retail or selling cars or something like that or I could work for the gym selling memberships.

Um but another issue with that is you also need uh sales experience for that. So the other options would be to work for like a smaller gym or just something like that, another gym. And I've spoken with a lot of other trainers that I that I've known from these other gyms and it's not the best experience. Um, it is an option though. I've spoken with a lot of people on what to do and they always ask me like what is my end goal, right? Like what do I want to Hell yeah.

Hell yeah. Yeah, guys. Yeah, guys. Yeah, guys. Hey, you're you're overthinking this right now. Literally, all you need to do is you have to close him in your interview. And what that looks like if I'm you is, hey, I don't have any experience in personal training or sales, but I I'm coming straight from the military. I've got serious discipline, and I'm the type of person that if you teach me, you show me, or you point me in the right direction, I'm going to figure the job out.

And I promise you, by the end of this year, I'll be one of your top trainers. It's right there. Let's Right. That's all you got to say. And let me tell you, you'll jump to the top of that list real quick. Yeah. You have the same That's I almost cut him off myself, Adam, because I can feel the saying. Well, yeah. So here so here's the deal. How bad do you want to work as a trainer? We got to start there first. Is that what you want to do?

Wait, can I just say one thing? I kind of went a little bit different direction. direction. direction. Sure. Go ahead. Tell us. So um I um I'm I'm starting my own business as a trainer. I know it's just the beginning. I have I have lots of years of training other people. I wasn't certified. Uh but I've been training people for years now. So I've spoken with other people and and I have a couple people that are going to help me. Um Um Um Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

Is that Is that a bad idea? What do you guys think about that? about that? about that? That's a terrible idea. That's terrible because now because here here's the deal because the hardest part about personal training is not personal training. It's sales and it's sales and business. So what you just did was you added sales and business and building a business with being a personal trainer. You This is why we always push people to go to a big box gym. The only reason why this guy is overlooking you right now is got nothing to do with certifications and not not it's that in that interview you didn't close him why you should have hired him.

You got to be persistent. I don't give a [ __ ] about somebody having four or five years sales experience. If if that the young man sitting across from me convinces me that whatever wherever direction I point him or tell him to go, he's going to do and figure it out and within a year's time I'm going to be one of your top guys. I'm sold, bro. Oh yeah. We used to hire people all the time and uh if you came to me and I'll tell you a personal story, okay, but if you came to me once and you said, "Hey, I want to be a trainer here." And I'm like, "Okay, I'm going based off experience." You're like, "Cool.

I'll fill out an application." And then you leave like, "See you later." Now, if you came into the gym every day and you talked to me about it, I'll make listen, I'll do this. I'll make it happen. Listen, tell me to do anything. I'll make eventually be like, "I like this kid. That's exactly what I want." So, we're telling you the buttons to push. But that the reason why I'm saying this is I'm asking you how how bad you want to be a trainer. Because if you want this badly, we'll get you hired.

Yeah. If you don't, go do something else. Because if you get it if you get hired and it's not what you want to do, then you'll fail. And I don't want to set you up for that. But it sounds like this is what you want to do. So, I'm going to tell you a personal story. I'm going to tell you a personal story from the best salesperson I ever hired in my entire life. Probably the best salesperson I ever worked with in my entire life. This is my friend Larry Evans, late Larry Evans.

And I'll tell you the story because it's it's it's exactly I think it's really going to help you. So Larry went and applied uh so this is back when I managed 24 fitness. This is when I managed the one on Hillsdale Adam and Larry went to another location because there's a lot of locations. So he went to another large location on Capitol McKe. He introduced himself and they blew him off. So he went in, hey, I want to work here. I want to do sales. Like well I don't know.

We'll see. I don't want to. And so Larry being Larry persistent comes to Hillsdale, my location. He introduces himself and he tells me he wants to work for me. Now I can see something in him because he's kind of persistent. Like he's he's coming up to me, the manager, and he's persistent. But I'm also looking at this guy and he's wearing long basketball shorts. He's got this long jersey on. And so I'm like, "Hey man, listen. Come back like you actually want the job and then we'll talk." And it really was a test and see how bad you want this.

So he came back the next day looking his best. He had a buttoned up shirt tucked in. You could tell he didn't have a lot of money, so he had kind of these big slacks on, but he showed up again like he wanted to really work there. And he talked to me and I said, "Huh, I think I like this guy." And you know what happened? He came in the next day. He did the same thing and I hired him. Larry ended up being and it was it was that attitude is what it was.

He ended up being the best salesperson I've ever worked with. Nobody's ever come close. In fact, he was the only one that ever He still holds records in the company. He was the only guy that ever He was the only guy that ever broke my record. And can I ask what what did he tell you? What did he ask? It was his persistence. He didn't say anything magical. It was literally like, I'll do whatever you tell me. I'll do whatever it takes. I want to work here.

I'll make it happen. You tell me. I'll I'll do it. I'll learn. I'll learn whatever you tell me. I'll show up. I'll work whatever hours. And so I'm like done. done. done. What do you What was What's the most value you got from being in the military? Tell me. Definitely like that discipline not to give up on uh so brother that's it. Don't don't don't don't try and regurgitate what Sal said or I like that's you go in and tell them listen I I don't have a lot of experience as a trainer.

I just barely got my national certifications. I don't have any experience in sal. Let me tell you what I what I what I have done the last few years and what what kind of man that's made me into be and who I will be working for you that and be honest who you are, what you got from the military and how you're going to apply those skills that you learned in the military into being one of the best personal trainers. Bro, I'm not letting you walk out that door.

No way. No way. If he's a good manager, I don't give I don't care if you didn't have your NASM. I would be like, "Okay, next test is go get your NSM." And then if you went and didn't come back, I'm like, "This kid's for sure getting a job." job." job." Yeah. Yeah. And and and if that doesn't work, breaking balls. I mean, literally go in the gym, work out. Every time you see him, hey, man, I want to work here. Hire me. Like, like what what do I got to do?

What do I got to show you? What can I do to prove to you that I'm going to do a good job. And then whatever he tells you, go do it. All right. Go fly her up a parking lot. Done. Go talk to some members. some members. some members. When a when a manager tells somebody the thing he told you, that's my my easy way of letting you down that I don't Yeah. It's me brushing you off. Like there every gym is looking for the next best trainer.

Even when I'm not hiring, I'm hiring. I'm not hiring right now, but I'm looking for somebody who's better than my top guy. And there's no way I let a guy walk in front of me who I go that that kid could be that could be one of my top guys. I' I'll find room for you character. you character. you character. Yeah, that's what he can mold you. And so he's giving you some [ __ ] thing to brush you off and it's because of how you however you came at him.

But don't don't try and say something over the top and it's not. Be honest. I know you got skills from being in the military and tell me how those skills are going to translate into you being one of the best trainers here. That's it. That's in your words. That's what you got to say. And then and then ask him, "What do you want me to do?" And be persistent. Yeah. Show up again. And that Show up again. And that and you'll get the most from working in a big box gym around 10 20 other trainers that are already You said the top guy there is your mentor, right?

Yeah. He's He's really smart, bro. That's I mean, you want to work next to that. You want to work next to him now. You get to work next to him. And I bet you if you tell him what I'm telling you right now, he'd be like, "Yeah, you probably you'd probably get the job." the job." the job." Okay, that I kind of knew that. Sound hearing it from you guys. Okay, that does sound like the right idea. idea. idea. It is, dude. My goal in the future is to be like you guys, have my own business.

This is the right path for that. Yes. Yeah. Start there. You're you're looking into that. 20 25 to 30 years due to us doing this. Go get hired at that gym. And then step that's step one. Step two is be the top trainer in that gym. Step three is be the top trainer in that gym for a year or two. Step four, start your own business. business. business. And you know what's awesome is your your mentor is the top guy already. So you you have direct access.

The next best level it would be working next to him every day and watching his behaviors. That's right. Seeing what he does, picking his brain. That's going to get you. And then then then those skills if you prove that you can do all those things and be one and two with that guy that then you have the like I believe your mentor could probably leave that gym and go start his own business. But all the the the 11 trainers underneath them I bet you I bet against them rarely it's it's all it's very difficult.

20% of people are successful in entrepreneurship. Okay. 80% fail. So if there's 10 trainers there that means there's only two of them that have that possibility even making it happen. Okay. So, you better be one and two if you're even going to give yourself a fighting chance. But what do most trainers do? They try it for a little while. They don't they're not getting paid. They see the numbers on, oh my god, I only get paid $30 an hour and I'm we're charging these people 70.

I just go take my three clients that tell me they love me. And then they don't realize, oh [ __ ] I got those clients from this gym. How would I go do that on my own? They have no client and they have no client or they know one or two people and then what happens when your book turns over? It's like you have no you have no skills to go build a business. That's what you're learning. It's education time for you when you work at this this big gym is to learn how that gym operates, how it got to be a multi-million dollar facility and how that trainer became a top trainer.

Then you go build your business. Hell yeah. How do you feel right now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You feel psyched? I do. Yeah. Hang up the phone and go to the gym. Go talk to him right now. Get over it. That's fine. Tell them what time it is. I'd love to hear back from you. Okay. Email us. Email us. Email us. Tell us what happened. Once you get hired, send a message back to us. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, of course. Thanks, guys. You guys are super awesome.

I really appreciate it. I really appreciate everything you guys do. You got it, man. All right, brother. Go do it. This It's cracking me up because hey, that's how I hired. That's how I got hired. That's how I become a general manager. I was a I was an 18-year-old kid. I literally walked my I got my birthday. You couldn't be a trainer unless you were 18. I knocked on the door. I This manager must be in this room. Sean, I still know Shawn opens the door, shook his hand.

I said, "I want to be a trainer here." He's like, "Oh, do you have any?" I said, "No, I'm not certified. I don't have any experience." You got to have that kind of energy, man. man. man. Dude, I literally said with that to him everything that he's And then Sean hired me. And then when I wanted to become a general manager, I talked to Mark Master off. This is like the godfather of fitness. And I sat him down and I said to him, I'm the top GM right now.

Make me a general manager. And he's like, okay, calm down, s you're 19 years old. I don't know. I said, what do I got to do? I said, I'll be the top guy every month. And that's what I did every month. And I literally sent I called him and left him a voice message. This month I'm number one. Make me a jam this. And he gave me his worst club. And I said, "Thank you." And you just if you have that attitude, a good manager is you're going to be irresistible.

I don't I don't think this is uh independent of personal training. personal training. personal training. No, No, No, I think if uh things changed, personal training didn't exist and uh my love passion for all this and I had to go do something else. something else. something else. Same attitude. Same attitude. Same attitude. Electrician, I don't care. Name name the thing. thing. thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the the guy who's sitting or the girl who's sitting across the desk from me, this is what I'm saying. I I have no experience.

I don't know. I have no idea what you do, but I know I want to do this. And I'm I know if you teach me or point me the direction, what do you want me to do to show you that I'll be one of your best guys. And then whatever they tell you, do it. That's literally it. And learn and and do it quickly. And then go do the thing, right? By the way, we're telling everybody how to be a trainer for Mind Pump, too. It ain't easy cuz we're going to tell you to do some stuff.

You still got to do it, but if you do it well, I mean, look at the staff. Most of the staff has been hired like this. We did not hire We don't have the most experience. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, that's right. that's right. that's right. Our next caller is Shelby from Nebraska. Hi, Shelby. Hi. How are you guys? We're good. How are you doing? I'm good. Thank you guys for having me on. I really appreciate it. Of course. How can we help you? Okay.

Um, I'm 32 years old and have been lifting consistently since I was 18. I'm also a mom to three little ones, ages 2, four, and five. Back in 2015, I competed in bikini competitions and unfortunately experienced all the classic side effects that came with it. Hair loss, loss of menstrual cycle, digestive issues, and more. Around that same time, my husband and I had just opened our own business, so stress levels were high. Fast forward to September of 23. I had healed, had three kins under three, and wanted to feel like myself again.

When my youngest was 7 months old, I decided, against my better judgment, to do 75 hard. I finally felt like my old self again, so I didn't stop after the 75 days. Afterwards, I reverse dieted dieted excruciatingly slow and continued to lose weight, dropping from 142 lbs and 32% body fat to 123 lbs and 18% body fat over 5 months, eating as low as 1,600 calories. I thought it would be different this time since I was getting competition lean, but since I wasn't getting competition lean, but the same symptoms came back.

Um, hair loss, loss of cycle, digestive problems. During that time, I also went through another major life change. And to top it off, I did the Murf, which completely wiped me out. I tried to push through with Muscle Mommy, but only made it halfway before my body said no more. Thanks to your show and Adam series, I finally had the confidence to take a full break from working out for 5 months. Then I moved into MAPS 15, doing about one week of workouts every two weeks.

And now, months later, I'm easing into anabolics, still going light. It's been almost 2 years since 75 hard and I'm still dealing with symptoms. Anytime I lift even slightly heavier, my jaw tightens and I occasionally struggle with sleep. I'm currently eating around 1,900 calories, about 130 grams of protein, and estimating the rest since tracking gets too obsessive for me. I have SIBO and sensitive digestive, so it's tough to eat much higher without things flaring up. I'm sitting at about 23% body fat right now. I probably feel best around 21%, but that's splitting hairs.

My question is this. My body seems extremely sensitive to stress. Is it truly possible to recover from this again and eventually be able to push myself without crashing? How do I know when it's appropriate to start increasing intensity? Every time I start to feel good and push a little harder, I end up taking two steps back. And by pushing, I just mean heavier weights, not extreme crossfit or not seven days a week either. And last question, are these symptoms purely from stress or do some women simply just not do well at lower body fat levels?

I'd love to eventually maintain around 20 to 21 since it feels healthy to me, but I don't want to force my body if I can't handle it. handle it. handle it. Yeah, good question, Shelby. And great job done it. You've done a lot. You come through a lot. Let me ask you this. How hard is it uh to be a mom of three little kids? It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's a lot. Yeah. Yes. Yes. A lot. Yeah. So, you said you wanted to feel like your old self, but your old self didn't have kids, right?

right? right? Your old self maybe wasn't married, didn't have the business and all that stuff. stuff. stuff. That's your old self is your old self. This is a new you and and you're in a season right now. Uh, by the way, you're not sensitive to stress. You have a lot of stuff going on. on. on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's not like you're some like weak person that just can't handle stress or whatever. whatever. whatever. You're handling a lot. You got three little kids by itself.

Yeah. That's a ton. And a business. That's a ton. Yeah. Yeah. You You're You're doing a lot. So, it it I mean, it's going to take a long time. Yeah, that's fair. It's just going to take a long time. And what it's going to look like, you're in a season right now of prioritizing other things. By the way, maintaining 23% body fat, I'm looking at you look good. You're kicking You're kicking butt. You know how many moms of three kids would look at you and be like, "How does she do it?" So, you're you're doing really good, hun.

You just you're you can't compare yourself to a time when you had 99% less things going on in your life. That's fair. That's fair. So, what would be appropriate for me right now then? now then? now then? Massive math 15. I like mass 15 or reverse diet. reverse diet. reverse diet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to eat more on that. Yeah. Keep just keep doing that. And this is a season. So, if you plan on exercising for the rest of your life, there will be other seasons where you're like, man, I got more time on my hands.

kids are going to school like like you know now I can focus on these other things. Um and that'll come that'll happen. Um and in the big picture it's it's this is a short season. It just feels long cuz you're in it. You're in the middle of it. But I would stick just maps 15 reverse diet. Your calories should probably slowly go up. Let's get you around 24 2500 calories 2500 calories 2500 calories and just do that and just stay there for a long time. Yeah.

Just focus on being healthy right now. That that in itself is hard for most people. And you're you're doing a great job. You've done a great job. How old are your kids right now? Uh two, four, and five. Yeah, you're you're it's it's probably going to be when your youngest is five. You're in the you're in the eye of the storm right now. Yeah, I know. So So okay, so you know, the other side it gets way easier. So you got to arrange a kid, right?

So your How old is your oldest? Five. Five. Five. Okay. Right around five, things get a little easier with that with your kid, right? Okay. Y So the youngest is two. So when the youngest probably gets to five, yeah, yeah, yeah, then things are going to probably change. So you probably have a few years of maps 15 style workouts, taking care of myself, being healthy, being a mom, focusing on my marriage, and keeping everything going and just feeling good. And then when the little one gets to that age, then you're probably going to have more more space.

But don't push that appropriate dose to match the stress. I mean, that's your desired outcome. What's crazy too, since you're we're only talking about 1 to 2% here, there's a very good likelihood that if you just take this advice, you might actually get leaner through reverse dieting. reverse dieting. reverse dieting. Yeah. And you just focus on getting strong and and max 15 and slowly reverse dieting and getting healthy. There's a really good chance that 1 to 2% body fat comes off during this process process process of of that makes sense of focusing like that versus having that this like, okay, I've been I feel pretty good for long enough.

let me ramp it up so I can get there. Then cuz then this will then you'll just spiral out again and then you'll be back to square one. So take this season as an opportunity of other things are a higher priority. Still take care of your health. Still get your workouts in. Maps 15's perfect for you. for you. for you. Three little kids is is a chaos too. That's crazy. That is chaos, man. You don't think that's that's a stress on your body? It's a lot, dude.

That's more than when you were training for bikini. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably true. Honestly, when I go to work, I feel less stressed. stressed. stressed. Yeah, dude. You got a little break. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just give it Give it some time, hun. Just give it some time. When I So, I'm at 1,900 calories right now. Anytime I increase a little bit, my digestive my digestive system just completely gets out of whack. Yeah. So, you might need to treat yourself for SIBO. Um, you might need to do some gut healing.

And a reverse diet could be as slow as acting uh adding 50 calories. Have you treated this? Have you treated the SIBO yet? I have, and it's gotten a lot better. A lot better. We're I'm still working on it, but I have treated it. Well, here's what probably happens, and then maybe correct me if I'm wrong. Uh you start to feel better, you start to feel some energy and then you push it, and then it gets bad again. bad again. bad again. Yep. Yep. Yep. And so when you treat SIBO and SIBO's gone, you still need to heal your gut.

Sure. Sure. Sure. So there's still a period of time that you need to heal your gut. Also, when you start to feel good, that's not because it's time to push it. That means, "Oh, now let me feel good for a while, while, while, right right right before I even think about pushing it." What you don't want to do is stand waiting for the slightest green light, which is probably what you're doing. Like, I think I'm good. Let's go. And then you just you just set yourself back again.

back again. back again. Okay. So, so just just take your great just take your time. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you for the reassurance. reassurance. reassurance. Yeah, you got it. Do you ever work with a coach? a coach? a coach? Um, I have in the past. Do you think that would help you? Because it might help you to work with somebody that can like work walk you through this process. Yeah, I mean it probably would. All right. I'll have somebody call you.

I have I have a couple people in mind that I think could help you through this process. process. process. Okay. Okay. Okay. But But But I like to get my own way. Yeah. Did I get it? That's good. Hey, good self-awareness. That's That's good self awareness. Good for you, too. And I love I love seeing young people with with a lot of kids. That's We need more people like that. That's great. They're fun even though they're stressful. stressful. stressful. Yeah, that's good. Don't worry. On the other side of five, it's going to get so much better.

For sure. sure. sure. Unless you have a fourth one. You might have another one. Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks for calling in. Sh. I'll have somebody call you. Okay. We'll see if we can help. Thank you guys. I really appreciate it. You got it. I, you know, I love callers like that because you could see as she's talking and then I just kind of say it back to her. She's like, "Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think I'm doing all right." Cuz a lot How many moms would want to be like that with three little kids?

Bro, three kids and a business. Yeah, I mean that's like another kid or two. two. two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. And they're in the ages of two. Two to five is like you're in the fight right there. there. there. You're in the No, it's f I know cuz I have a 5-year-old. He can do things on his own now. Finally. now. Finally. now. Finally. Yes. Like it's it's north of five where I feel like once Max got to like five and a half, six, and then where we're heading into seven.

Yeah. so much until they become. It's funny. We always go back and point back to when we felt the best and you're so right with that. It's like, dude, let's look in the future. What What does my future self look like? Listen, I know that I know I know that because obviously people that have older kids a lot of times you get defensive. It never gets easier. It's not like it's it's it's a different heart. And that that person at that age, you you have full attention on them 24/7.

You So, it's a different type of stress. Now you guys have to worry about kids driving and it's a different type of stuff. That's all day long. You're right. It's different cuz with teenagers, what stress can look like are short extreme bouts of stress, but you're not all day long and you're not this like constant dependencies. dependencies. dependencies. They're not disrupting your sleep every night. They're not needing to be fed every every every it's a it's a it's a different kind of hard and it's not the right kind of hard to be doing 75 hard.

It just doesn't go together. together. together. Cover it. You got to wait for that. All right, real quick. If you love us like we love you, why not show up by rocking one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or training gear over at mypumpstore.com. mypumpstore.com. mypumpstore.com. I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mypumpstore.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Our next caller is Brianna from Arizona. Hi, Brianna. How you doing? Hello. This is a very crazy I know everybody says that, but this is so crazy.

Yeah, I just want to start off by saying I'm very honored. Um I appreciate you guys' time. I know it's very valuable and I really appreciate you guys um answering my question today. So, I'm going to read it because obviously I'm very nervous. Um it says, "Dear Mind Pump, I'm lost, unsure, and I need help." So, here's my question. How do I know when I've tipp the tipped the scales on stress and I need to pull back? For context, I am a 26-year-old new mom of a four-month-old and I am constantly secondguessing my training volume and my macros.

Um, I listen to you guys for about 3 4 years. Um, I have my personal trainer certificate, so I have a lot of information, um, and a lot of knowledge, but obviously when it comes to training yourself, um, I second guess that quite a bit. Um, so I've been training consistently for 3 years and then last year, so four years altogether and then last year I went through some fertility treatments and got pregnant. Um, so and then had a very um successful pregnancy and then up till about 33 weeks and then I was diagnosed very suddenly with preeclampsia.

Had my baby like a week later and was in the hospital for um a little bit. I didn't handle it very well. um had a lot of um just stuff happen physically after that and then obviously we had a NICU stay. Um so I say all that to say um um that I have recovered pretty well but I'm not sure if I'm pushing my body too much. Um I did 6 weeks of pelvic floor therapy and then um I went into performance and now I'm running a pretty modified version of aesthetic.

Um, I stay at home with my baby, so I have the time, but I never hear you guys recommend aesthetic to anyone. Um, I reverse dieted up to 2400 calories and um, I dropped back down to about 2,000 um, just for a couple weeks. I'm starting to get to the point where I was just eating whatever to make those calories and I don't want to do that. Um, so I'm just not sure where to go and I want to be the best version of myself so I can show up for my son.

I do want to teach him healthy habits so that his mom is strong. Um I found you guys from listening to John Deloney um about three years ago and I started with maps 15 and I I was hooked. Um so I very much value um your advice and I'm very grateful that you've had me on today. Um you guys have truly changed my life for the better. So I'm happy to happy to hear anything you guys have to say for me. So by modified maps aesthetic, do you mean you do half of the volume that's in there?

there? there? Um probably about half. So, he's pretty clingy as far as my baby is. So, I drop a lot of the shoulder um and arm works, arm arm workout. So, I probably only do um let's say like today for instance, I'm in phase two, day two called for like four sets. I did one set. Um so, I do I do the main I do all the sets for like your ma the main lift. Um and then I pretty much drop everything else down. So, it usually takes me about an hour um sometimes an hour and a half just depending on um but that's kind of where my training looks like right now.

How's the baby healthy? Um he's doing really good. So, yeah, we've recovered very well and doing um doing really good. So, I'm very very grateful for that. Um and you know, and and that's just kind of my um my point is I don't want to do too much. Yeah. And I definitely can be a person who pushes because that's what I feel like I'm supposed to do. And so that's really why I wanted to come on today and just to get some expert advice. Well, I'm so happy you called in and I really appreciate this question a lot.

This is going to help a lot of people. First off, what you went through uh is very traumatic. So, and a lot of moms uh don't hear this often, but when you go through a difficult delivery, um especially staying in the hospital, uh that is a it's a very challenging time physically and emotionally extremely. So, there's a lot of it's diff and that wasn't that long ago. It was only four months ago. months ago. months ago. The fitness industry has also done well, the fitness industry in general has done women a terrible disservice.

It has really done a terrible disservice to um post postpartum women. It has sold this idea that you have a baby and then you're back in shape, you know, four months later. I've trained a lot of women postpartum. A lot of women uh both before, during, and after pregnancy, quite a few. And in my experience, on average, okay, on average, it takes a woman about one to two years after having a baby to feel like uh, for lack of a better term, like their old self.

One to two years. So, everything else you've heard is a lie. It's a total lie. And those and the the people that make me the most upset about this are the fake fitness influencers who love to post their bodies. my oh, I had a baby three months ago. Look at me. You don't hear the whole story. Uh, it's it's it's not like it takes a while. Half of the volume of aesthetic is too much for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I can I guarantee I'll take it.

I guarantee that's it's too much for you. You should have stayed at Mass 15 is where you your your maps 15 for the next until your baby's a year old. Okay. I do have maps 15. I do have I have a lot of programs. Um, I kind of figured that's probably what you guys would say, but I really just needed to hear it. Yeah. Um, obviously it's, you know, you feel you feel good, so you want to do more. You'll feel better. You know, I hear I hear people come on all the time and say that and hear you guys advice, but it really is hard, you know, to combat in your own mind.

Um, and I don't have a big and I don't have a big community. I don't have other like your y'all's podcast is my fitness community, honestly. Um, so don't have other people around me to, you know, kind of check that for me. Um, and so I, yeah, I do I I figured max 15 was probably what you would say. would say. would say. If this makes you feel better, you know, um, you know, my wife very fit before she had our kids. I know Katrina very fit.

Both of them struggled with this as well. Like, oh, let me do this. No, no, no. You're starting. It's it's a lot less than you think. And and you'll feel better, Rihanna. if you'll feel better following Mass 15. And we have a lot of Maps 15 programs. I'd love to send you one you don't have. So, you have the original one. Do you have any of the other Maps 15 version? I don't have any of the other ones. I know you guys just came out with Muscle Mommy and Powerlift.

And I do have both of those original programs. I haven't run them um to their entirety, but I do have both of those. Um so, I'm not really sure which one I would either. I have it. Thank you, Adam. I have a soft spot for for new moms. So, we usually give people one program. I'll give you both. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you can follow one right after another. So, you'll get 15 muscle mommy and then 15 powerlift. I I'd like to also put you in the private forum if you're not already in there since you brought up.

Okay. So, I'm going to I'm not Thank you. I don't mean to get emotional, but um um um you're doing a good job, hun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're doing a really really good job. Don't question uh your efforts. You're doing a great job. you you just work with your body, not against it. It's going to take about a year for you to scale things up, but in this year, it's going to feel so good doing the right stuff. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. And right now, you're really resilient.

You're probably questioning how tough you are and all that stuff. Half the volume of aesthetic four months out, like you're tough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But don't push it. Don't push that toughness. Stay in that. Yeah. I don't I don't want to. I mean, I was kind of, you know, it's uh when you don't listen to, you know, you have a gut feeling. Most, you know, a lot of people do. And if you listen, if you can listen to your body, you know, you should listen to your body, obviously.

And I probably haven't exactly cuz I very much battled with whether I should or shouldn't do aesthetic. Um, and just decided, well, I'll try something hard, but I typically choose the hard thing in life. So, life. So, life. So, yeah. So, here's what you're here's what it would look like. Okay. Follow mass 15. go on a lot of walks with the baby. So, that'll be your activity, which you're probably already doing. If you're not, it's great. It's great bonding time. It's great nap time. It's great activity.

So, 15 with lots of walks. Dietwise, I don't want you tracking anything, but I do want you to eat protein. I want you to track your protein and eat until you're satisfied. Stick to whole natural foods and don't track because if you track at this point, it's going to start messing with you. I can guarantee that right now. Um, it probably has. I definitely um jumped right back into that train of and and and also knowing, you know, I knowing I needed to reverse diet and I'm glad that I did that.

Um but my husband did ask me the other day, he's like, "Do you think you should probably be tracking your food?" I was like, "Maybe not." not." not." Yeah. No, no. Just just a aim for protein. Eat whole natural foods. Eat when you're hungry. Eat till you're satisfied. Go on a couple walks a day with the baby. Maps 15. Give yourself a year before you reassess. So not a year and then go for it. Like a year and then reassess. All right. How do I feel?

Am I feeling good? After a year, it's not to maps aesthetic. It's to something like maps anabolic. Mhm. You The forum is going to be great for you. The forum's got a lot of a lot of moms that have been listening to us for a long time that uh have similar feelings, gone through similar stuff. So great community in there. So make sure you say hi, introduce yourself when Doug gets you access in there. and then and then uh bounce questions off people and other trainers and all of us that are in there.

there. there. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I will. Thank you so much. I again like your your podcast is my resource and I I so appreciate everything that you guys do. Um it means the world to me. Thank you. you. you. You got it. And thanks for calling in. I know this helped a lot of other moms. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. Um real quick, I just I just really wanted to brag on you guys. I don't want to just be um uh easy in my thank yous. you guys do a lot of hard work and I really appreciate it and s watching your journey to Christ has been um in being bold in that that's so difficult for a Christian to do is be outwardly bold and it has encouraged me um so much in my walk with the Lord and I really appreciate that and um Justin hearing about your boys and about you as a father and about kind of how you approach things just and observe has um helped me a lot the I would like to have that approach with my son would like to give him room to try and just gently encourage him.

And so I appreciate the stories that you share. And Adam, um I was thinking today about the call and I was thinking back to when um your wife was in the hospital and y'all posted on your socials and asked for prayer and I was, you know, anxiously waiting to hear, you know, if she was okay or not. And I just you bring so much um fight to the table and encourage me to be bold and to say what I think. And I just I really appreciate you guys so much from the bottom of my heart.

You have made my life so much better and I greatly appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you so much. much. much. Is she going to cry? No, I'm going to cry. cry. cry. You're going to cry. Uh, you know, I I got to say this, man. Um, you know, we we we rail in the industry all the time, the media industry, and what they sell, but man, they really mess up postpartum. They they make them believe that they're going to be back in shape and man, it takes a while.

There's always that that you went through a radical change. There's always that anomaly. That's why there is. But I think I also believe a lot of them lie. There's a lot of them that post what they're and but they don't tell you they're suffering from postpartum anxiety, depression, that they their body's not feeling the way it did and certain exercises. They were they were orthorexic going into it. into it. into it. It's like come on, dude. No, I know. It's it's Yeah. No, it's it's tough.

it's tough. it's tough. It's a radical transformation in your body. And then when you have the baby, it's not like your body's not radically transformed still, you There's lots of things that are happening and it's just not uh spoken to accurately. It takes a while. You got to give yourself some time. time. time. The the community will serve her really well. So, it's good having other people that have been there and been been through it for a long time. So, she'll she'll enjoy that. Our next caller is Josh from Michigan.

What's up, Josh? What's happening? How's it going, guys? Uh thanks for having me here. Really appreciate your time. uh kind of as always like with everyone else, you know, really uh dig what you guys are doing and uh been listening for a couple years now and uh thought I'd take the opportunity to ask a a question I had. Um I'll present my question and then give y'all a little bit of context uh kind of behind that. Um, in kind of reflecting back on y'all's time with the podcast and kind of going back to its infancy, what are some things you wish you knew back kind of when you were initially getting it off the ground or what would you tell yourself in in retrospect?

Um, kind of the context being here. Um, I I work in healthcare. Um, I'm a emergency medicine resident doc at a large level one trauma center here in Michigan. Um, in my approach to making sure I'm clinically ready to go each day is the way I sleep, the way I eat, the way I train is make sure I'm there ready to rock and roll. Um, you know, by the time my my shift comes around. And I think I've been able to be fairly resilient kind of here up till that time.

And I see a lot of u my co-workers, you know, my nurses, texts, other residents, and maybe they may not be as resilient or I'm kind of seeing them kind of fade, you know, as they get into those later hours of their shift. and I'm I find myself being, you know, ready, you know, come in, you know, give me another trauma, another medical recess, another critical patient. You know, I'm always thinking, you know, who's next? Who's next? Um, and so I think in addition to my clinical responsibilities, I would like to hopefully do something to um not only be, you know, there to care for my patients, but also for my fellow like staff members too as well, kind of somewhere down the line.

and I see the impact that you guys have had here in the fitness space and you know thought you know who better else to to talk to about you know how to go about making an impact by way of a podcast or or something similar. something similar. something similar. Yeah, you uh you you trauma docs are really cut from a different cloth. I swear it's like you guys don't have enough enough enough on your plate. Every doctor I've ever trained who works in trauma is always adding things to their plate.

So you want to start a podcast on top of treating people who are about to die. I got really good advice for you that's related to what we were literally just talking about before you came on air. So, we had a small two-minute break before you came on. I was just uh updating the guys on one of our buddies, Higher Up Wellness is his podcast. If you don't, it's his uh in Instagram and his podcast. If you don't uh follow him, follow him. In fact, look at his post he did just I think yesterday.

And he spent he spent some time with Gary Vee. Gary Vee's advice to him was to people in this position where you're at overthink content. like how do I like what content should I make and the title and the hook and all these things like that and it's more about documenting and so you already explained who you want to help out and who you want to impact and so it as quick as you possibly can when you are in a moment where you taught something you learned something you went through something through something through something you record it like it's literally like you just did some crazy [ __ ] right for four hours in in trauma you you oh my god that was the most what walk out as soon as you have a break walk, grab your phone, and then share and document what you just went through, what you just went, what you just learned, whatever the thing is.

So that you have t you have that documentation. So that's the first piece of content that I can use on social. And then if I'm creating a podcast, I'm expanding on that. That's all that is is long form. So it's like I'm doing a short form of, oh my god, what I felt, what I went through, what I learned real quick is as a thing is like almost like I'm denoting it, right? That what I just went through. And then later on that night when I'm inspired to to create the podcast episode, I'm creating from that piece of content or that thing that I just learned or went through and I'm expanding on it.

And then that's where maybe a little more thought goes into process of okay, how do I title this thing that other doctors or who I'm trying to attract, whether it be the patient, the doctor or whoever or you know other surgeons, whatever. I'm going to title it so it's it to I'm going to title it so it's it would interest them and then I'm going to expand on it and then you you through practice you'll learn how to put that content together better and better. But that right there just doing that and lot lots of reps of that is what's going to to grow the podcast, grow your content.

And where most people fail is they make the mistake of thinking that you're going to create something that's going to go viral and overnight you're going to have lots of and you and most of them don't have the discipline to just keep doing that thing for a re for a really long time for a year, two years, maybe three years and and then that compounds. You get better at it. You start to learn the things like that's the formula right there. But most people don't have the the discipline to do long now.

doubt you lack the discipline because you're like Sal said, you guys are cut from a different cloth. I'm sure you got discipline. It's just understanding that's what it looks like. Don't overthink. Don't overthink it. Don't don't make it over overedit it. In fact, we're going into it. We're we're actually reversing trends right now. The trend was everybody shot all grainy and gritty at the beginning and rough and authentic and then we got all these cool tools to to edit and background and green screen and now we're going to AI now.

Nobody trusts what they see cuz it's so well produced. So like like our guys are having us shoot things with our phone again and they're just like, "Hey, just just talk into your phone because people want that." And so what a great time for a guy like you to try and create. So document don't create content. content. content. I can't there's nothing I can add. You just know you're signing up for a long long haul. Most people fail at this uh because they they do it for three months, six months and they quit.

So you just say to yourself, I'm doing so in other words, okay, I'm going to do this for two years. uh what is a what can I commit to on a weekly basis for two years and then do that that that and then don't expect anything out of it other than just being consistent but it takes a while and just keep serving your community the end of the day you're just like you're the voice uh for who your target audience is audience is audience is and also two to bring in you know some of that feedback so you know you you'll find you'll get a lot of suggestions uh by putting it out there and don't be afraid to put it out there with co-workers and get some feedback I you are coming from a position that I think that I don't want to say this is easy but it's you're it's so interesting what you do and every day is so unique probably a gillion stories there's yeah and and and so do not overthink this every every step of your day every conversation that you have with a peer with a client with a whatever with a mentor that is that is valuable content that you can document and even if you can't document while it's happening it's happening it's happening the and this is what my buddy was talking about was closing the gap on how quickly you make the content from that thing that happened.

So don't allow something that well it was like holy [ __ ] that was crazy surgery and I can't believe this and then you oh I'll record a podcast next Saturday on that. It's like I need to get that out of like I need to get that out of my head right now while it's fresh. Why my emotions are still on it? Why it's authentic? Why my true what my my true feelings will come out. So as quickly as you can close the gap on the thing, whatever the thing was and create create or document something that that versus what a lot of overthinking the production and the hook and the the the whole body work of it and the edit pro process is like no dude just start just start giving value and and doing and turning it around quick and and the practice and the rest.

Yeah, they they both said it what I was thinking. Storytelling is very powerful. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. So if I had to look back at what uh got us um initial success or attention was a storytelling. We just had a lot of stories stories stories working in gyms. So you just tell lots of stories. Be as authentic as possible. Oh my god, this was stressful. This sucked. This was great. I don't know what I'm doing here. I do. Um you know, don't try to present yourself differently.

Storytelling. And you got tons of stories. You probably have stories that happen every day. So you know, there's your content right there. Part of our superpower was the uh four of us knew we would suck, knew this was this was a new venture to us, right? us, right? us, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and we knew that was like we were all so determined that and we knew that the formula was just keep doing this. We'll figure it out along the way. If you look at where we're at 10 years and the TV screens and the stuff that we have for notes and how we think about way different, but that's not what got us here.

What got us here was that attitude of like, hey, we're going to be really bad at this. We don't know what they might as well practice. So, let's just practice and practice and practice it and put put out. We didn't overthink it. We literally just we would just go. We would turn the mics on and be like, "Let's talk about this stuff." And yeah, it was it was bad and it was rough and all those things. But we Yeah, it connected cuz we led from a place of like you are, which is I want to give value.

I want to help my community. I want to do this. And so, and that resonated with a lot of people. And then over time, we built the skills. Yep. Yep. Yep. Mhm. Okay. Cool. Yeah, that's really helpful. And I think kind of my goal is to come from a perspective of, you know, how how can we uh make ourselves healthier and address kind of our our um like I address my clinical work like as a from a competitive standpoint, you know, like I come from like come more athletic background and I kind of want to make sure I'm game ready and game ready means, you know, I'm working five, six days a week, you know, that's five, six days, you know, that I'm going out and competing.

So, how can I uh, you know, fuel myself and make sure I'm squared away and ready to go for that clinical shift, you know, versus dreading going into work cuz I feel like crap or whatever it is, you know, and kind of um addressing things. One warning, Josh. Uh, you're if you're doing this and you're being real and you're telling stories and you're like, I'm getting after it, I'm doing it and whatever, and then you find yourself tired and it's not working, you share it. it.

it. You don't present a false a false uh because and then what'll happen is you'll you'll you'll have to live up to that and it won't work. You tell them, "Oh my god, I know I get after all the time, but man, this week I am trying." I'm going to add one more I'm going to add one more thing to that too. Don't even uh so if I was mentoring you, I'd be like, don't even overthink that. What what you think everybody wants from you may be totally off.

off. off. What you think everybody else wants to learn from you may be totally off from what you think you want to give to everybody. Exactly. So document your convers what you think might be meaningless which is a conversation with another doctor arguing over how we're going to go about this thing whatever I have no idea what a day looks like in your life I'm super interested though and you and you document that and that might pull me in and for all you know your whole thing might be all about communication between you know two different surgeons and how to work through like I don't know you don't know and so don't try and and pigeon hole yourself into a this is what I want to give to everybody they may I want this is what I teach trainers a lot of times trainers come in they're like I want to train athletes and like no one gives a [ __ ] about what you have to say about athletes but they do happen to listen to you when you talk about joint pain they're super interested in you know what I'm saying so don't even over complicate complicate complicate talk about fat loss all the time and that's it that's it that's it I wanted to do that yeah so so go into sharing and documenting everything and anything that you learn you experience you go through and come from a place of giving value to anyone and everyone and then allow the content and the comments and the interaction to steer you in that direction.

And then and then and then maybe you start to formulate how does this look like a business? How does you know what I'm saying? Like don't don't put the cart before the horse. horse. horse. Just just document, give value, and who knows what you end up speaking to. It may have nothing to do with what you think right now. Mhm. Okay. Okay. Very cool. Well, thanks guys. I really appreciate uh again your help, your time here, and everything you guys are doing out there. Um look forward to the episodes all the time.

It's on my on my way into work as I'm meal prepping as I'm coming home while I'm stretching, getting ready to get a little lift in. It's good stuff. That's good, man. You're the man, Josh. Do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'll save lives. Yeah. Yeah. Keep us in the loop, though. I like to hear how it goes. Yes, sir. We'll do. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Appreciate all your time, bro. I got to tell you, dude. Try I've trained so many so many trauma doctors. Yeah. Like the guys not busy.

They're Bro, they're machines. Yeah. And they're machines until they until they're like I was just talking to my buddy. I got a buddy who's, you know, he's been doing this for a while. Your body gives out on him. Yeah. And he's like, dude, he's like, I don't know why, but when I'm off, I just want to sit on the couch. I'm like, what do you mean? You don't know, bro. Yeah. Like sitting down. You're up for 24 hours, 4 days in a row operating on gunshot wounds and stuff.

You've been doing it for, you know, 15 years. What do you think, dude? Yeah. So, So, So, I mean, it is it is pretty savage that somebody who has a job like that's just like, what else can I do? What else can I do? I do? I do? Side hustle. Side hustle. Side hustle. You got I mean, you got to love that. I I love that. It's definitely That's why I respect them so much. Yeah, I've always respected I see that. You know that what it's so crazy.

We were just talk I was literally just talking about him before it was higher our buddy Higher Up Wellness and that was his clip what it was all about was overthinking content creation and doing all the thing and it's like dude just document everything and everything and everything and that's interesting too. Yes. Yes. Yes. 100%. 100%. 100%. No, it's I'm super interested in what a I want to hear about that. I know and and I and I think with it people in his position again very similar to us, right?

What what one of the biggest things that we learned was some of the simpler most basic episodes and topics that we would cover would be a very simple right and we wanted to just keep going deep and adding these layers and all this other stuff. It's like man it's just not that's not what's that's not what connecting to more people and so we've had to steer content that way. Same thing goes with this guy. He's going to be thinking I want to do this and I want to help these people for this but it's like maybe nobody wants to hear that from you.

Maybe it's something that you have no idea about, you know? All right. I know you liked that episode. If you did, check this one out. One of the keys to fat loss is protein. It's true. If you're not eating a high protein diet, you're not going to burn as much body fat as you can. So, today's episode, we're going to talk about the smartest ways to use protein for fat burn and to build muscle. You got to watch this. I wish I understood this earlier in my career.

I think it was probably probably probably almost 10 years in when I started to just focus on this with clients. I knew it was important, but I don't know how important. Yeah, I also did I knew what was important and but I also