Why You're Still Fat Even Though You Work Out (The Honest Answer) | Mind Pump 2964

Key Takeaway

If you train consistently but body fat is not changing, start with one meal today: eat a protein-rich whole-food meal without your phone, TV, or computer. Restaurant meals, ultra-processed foods, distracted eating, and alcohol can quietly erase a calorie deficit far more easily than exercise can create one. Make protein the first thing you eat, cook at home when possible, and treat workouts as a way to build health and strength—not as repayment for overeating.

Episode Overview

The hosts explain why regular exercise often fails to produce fat loss, focusing on five common dietary and behavioral causes: frequent restaurant meals, hyperpalatable processed foods, inadequate protein, distracted eating, and alcohol. Caller coaching also covers fueling for muscle gain, recovering from major injury and gut issues, sustainable weight-loss plateaus, and the psychological costs of tying identity to extreme endurance competition.

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I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mindpumpstore.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. You work out all the time. You're consistent with your training, but you're still fat. Check it out. We have five reasons why this is happening. This is almost always the case. If this is you and you're frustrated, you're working out, you're consistent. By the way, good job. That's good. That's still good, but you don't know why you can't get the fat off your body. We're going to help you fix it right now.

Let's go. You're normally so politically correct. That's like something I would do. That's not something you would do, so get ready for that. Well, it's a clickbait intro there, but hey, listen. You guys know this. We train people for a long time. This is frustrating for people. Yeah, this is what goes through their head. It does. This happens to quite a few people who are really consistent with their workouts. They don't miss workouts. They go to the gym, and they're just so frustrated because they have a lot more body fat on their body weight.

What do they often say? I don't look like I work out. What's going on here? There's a reason for it. Now, it could be the workout, but we're not going to focus on the workout. We're going to focus on the things that most commonly are the culprit for this type of frustration. Well, there's an old saying. You can't outwork a bad diet. That's tough, but it's true. It is. Normally, this person that you're describing right now is also the person that probably has a pretty decent workout routine already, but yet still keeps leaning into, like, there's something wrong with my workout.

I need to train to failure more. I need to do this other thing. Switching all the protocols. Yeah, and what it really is is we need to really peer into the diet. Or accept that you're not going to have the physique you want. You can still be strong. And you're going to be a lot healthier than somebody who didn't work out. That's right. And so this is why this is such an important conversation first with the client. Because what you will get is you will get this kind of, like, these conflicting things that they'll say.

Like, I really want to be in shape and I want to look like I work out, but then I also don't want to do... I don't want to give up this. Yeah, I don't want to give up this, or I don't want to track, or I don't want to do these things. And it's like, okay, well, then you just keep doing what you're doing because you're strong and you're healthier than the version of you who doesn't lift weights. But if you want body composition change, if you want to reduce body fat, the problem does not lie in the way you're lifting.

It lies in what you're putting in your mouth. That's what we need to fix. 100%. So again, I want to say this very clearly. If you're overweight, over fat, and you work out, your health is a lot better than if you didn't work out. That's number one. Also, if you were fit and not over fat, you'd be a lot healthier than you are fit and over fat. So body fat, regardless of fitness, still plays a role when it gets up to a certain point. Now, I'm not talking about being shredded.

That's typically aesthetic. That's more of a vanity thing. But there is body fat percentages where, regardless of your fitness level, regardless of your stamina and your strength, it starts to play a role in your health. This healthy ranges is outside of health ranges. That's right. And also, mainly, let's be honest, most people are concerned about this for the aesthetic purposes. It's like, I work out like crazy. I don't look like I work out. And I want to figure out, you know, what's happening. Now, you said, Adam, you can't outwork a bad diet.

But here's where that comes from. And by the way, there's lots of studies on this. Lots of studies where they just use exercise as a method for weight loss or fat loss. And it's very ineffective. It's just very difficult. Now, it's better than nothing. That's for sure. But look, here's a fact. Burning a thousand calories through activity takes a lot of work, everybody. It takes a lot of work. The average person, by the way, sometimes you'll get on a cardio machine that tells you you burned a thousand calories.

It's lying. The reality is to burn a thousand calories through exercise and activity takes over an hour, for most people closer to two hours, of vigorous, intense activity, which is, that's a lot of work to burn a thousand calories. On the flip side, to consume a thousand calories is a piece of easy. It's so easy. We do it on accident. It's pleasurable. It's not hard work. And so, when you put those head to head, it's like, yeah, trying to burn off what I ate when I'm eating in a particular way, that's a terrible strategy.

We talked a little bit about this the other day. This is the part that I had never understood with the logic behind this of the cardio approach to burning body fat. At least in my eyes, it is far easier to resist the temptation of that thing that's 250 to 300 calories than it is to get on an hour of a piece of equipment. I literally had this last night. And so, I had this craving. I haven't had a craving for ice cream in a while. I had it and I was like, oh man, we have these little 250 calorie, like, ice cream.

Which sounds like nothing. I'm listening right now, it's 250. Yes, 250. That's not a lot, okay? And I'm like, man, I really want that. And it's like, and I totally could have it. I've been low calorie this night, but I'm also on this aggressive fat loss goal right now. And so, I'm like, that's me walking on the treadmill for an hour. And so, I'm thinking to myself, am I willing to get up tomorrow morning before work and get on the treadmill and walk for an hour?

I just picture someone walking on a treadmill eating the little 250 calorie ice cream while they're doing it. This is literally what was going through my head. Like, I absolutely can, but I also don't want to, I'm on this consistent track right now. Okay, so what does that look like? Oh, it looks like what I wouldn't do tomorrow anyway, today, which is today. I wouldn't get up at 6 and go walk before work. I would do my normal routine because I'm not doing that right now.

So, if I want this and I don't want to go backslide from the plan and the diet that I'm on right now, then if I eat this, then I got to get up tomorrow at 6 and do an hour walk. I'm like, God, no. It's not that good. Exactly. I'm like, it's not that good. It's not worth it. And so, it's easier for me to say, discipline myself to not do that, than it is to do that and then try and cancel it with activity. Right, no, a hundred percent.

But yes, of course, this can go in a dysfunctional direction. So, what we're not saying here is you can't enjoy those things. If we talk a lot about that on the podcast, the majority of what we talk about, but what we're talking about specifically, again, is this person who's working out a lot and they're consistent. They can't figure out why they can't get leaner. I'll give you the first reason why this is a challenge. You eat out. Okay, you just eat out. You eat out daily.

One meal a day. This is a lot of people, by the way. A lot of people eat out once a day. Usually, it's lunch, right? They're at work, they eat out lunch. Here's the truth, okay? The average meal eaten out, if you look it up, the average calories in a meal served by a restaurant, fast food or otherwise, is anywhere between 1,200 to 1,400 calories. It just is. Even when you're trying to pick the healthy option. I was just at the Cheesecake Factory with my family the other day.

Cheesecake Factory, a lot of places don't even do this, but Cheesecake Factory lists their calories under their meals. Their salads are 1,400 calories. Now, if it didn't list the calories, and I know food, right? I can look at a salad. I know what the ingredients are, so I know it's high calorie. The average person would be like, oh, you know what? I'm trying to cut my calories. I'm going to get the Southwest chicken salad. Salad is the go-to. Yeah, yeah. It's like, I'm going to be healthy.

I'm going to eat a salad. Yeah, and they're like, I'm going to eat the Southwest chicken salad. That's 1,400 calories right there. I might as well eat a burger, you know, type of deal. Their low calorie options were 6 to 700 calories, which is high calorie for a lot of people who are trying to eat in a way that causes fat loss. Restaurants do not make money by selling food that is low calorie and super healthy. Fact. Restaurants make money by selling food that tastes good, even healthy restaurants.

If a healthy restaurant serves food that doesn't taste good, more butter and then sugar and all that stuff they add in there. Oil, butter. We know the rules with FDA with 20% room to play, and I'm telling you guys right now that that's what the rules are. That I'm willing to bet that 80% are not even playing by those rules. Come on, you got cooks in the back. You think they're measuring everything? Nobody is, and nobody's coming around regulating this, okay? And if you think I'm full of shit, here's what you do.

I've done this before, and this will blow you away the first time you go do this, and this is enough to look for this, Richard, is go to your favorite Chipotle type of place or whatever that tracks, that says what the bowl is, this McHarris. Order up your order. Go home and go take it out and weigh it and tell me if it's off by two ounces. Oh my God, everything is off. Everything is off. The rice is off. The beans is off. The guacamole is off.

Cheese is off. Everything that you say that you get in there is off, and it is off normally north of what you estimate that to be, which is why, by the way, if I do ever eat out, I overestimate on whatever it says. So when I look up on my fat secret, I bolster that with 200 plus calories. Exactly what I do, 300 calories. Yeah, automatically. There's oils and butters and stuff that's not accounted for in there for sure. They're probably a heavy hand on this thing, so I'm going two, three hundred plus calories, especially if my goal is to lean out of time.

Different story, and if I'm trying to bulk, I go the other way. By the way, when the servings are four ounces to five ounces of chicken, which is what it's supposed to be, if you had four to five ounces of chicken put in front of you, you'd look at it and go, that's not enough. You got to give me more, because they typically give you more than that. Here's the other one. You eat processed foods. Processed foods aren't inherently fattening or fat producing, but they are engineered specially to be hyperpalatable, meaning you will feel satisfied.

In other words, you'll feel like you've eaten enough with processed foods when you've eaten north of four to five hundred more calories than you would have with whole natural foods. In other words, your gauge of satisfaction is thrown off so much by processed foods that if you're not even eating until you're stuffed, if you're like, I'll just eat until I'm okay, but you're buying foods that are in boxes and wrappers, they've been specially engineered with incredible science. Everybody, it's wild. If you look into, and in fact, I actually encourage people not to do this, because it'll freak you out, but if you ever want to go down a crazy rabbit hole, look into the science that goes into creating hyperpalatable processed foods.

There's so much science that goes into it. This is why when you look at a bag of Doritos, there's a hundred ingredients. Why are there a hundred ingredients? It's a corn chip that tastes like nachos. Every ingredient in there is placed in there perfectly to dramatically increase palatability or the way your brain perceives it. We've hacked into that novelty stimulus where it's like, everybody knows, like if I've been eating the same type of... Food group and you know, I'm getting kind of You know fatigued with this to the point where I go grab something That's maybe sugary or maybe something that's more salty and it's different now of a sudden it stimulates my appetite again And so it's like with every bite you're getting that same experience I've said this before the the studies on hyper palatable foods are some of the best of nutrition studies.

We've ever had because Food studies are so hard to control It's really hard to take people put them in a lab watch them eat for three months and then figure things out It's very difficult to do that super expensive. Nobody wants to sign up for it So a lot of it's observational and surveys and stuff like that. Well, the processed food studies were were in a lab they took people and put them in two rooms and This food both control for macros, by the way similar proteins fats and carbs.

This one's hyper palatable Ultra-processed food this one over here is whole natural food Let's watch the groups eat not say anything. Let's just see how much they naturally eat Then let's take the groups and switch the rooms and see what happens 600 calories is the difference in other words both groups ate until they were satisfied But when they were in front of the hyper palatable ultra processed foods, they didn't stop until they had 600 more calories So if you're eating ultra processed foods and you're not tracking every damn calorie that goes in your mouth Like most people like a normal person.

You can pretty much guarantee you're overeating. That's just the way that they were I mean, by the way, that's just a study with an average of stuff for people It's like there's people that could do a thousand fifteen hundred that way I mean, I know that if I'm in the eating processed food, like it creeps up So an eating out easy so fast it creeps like that And and it have you ever had one Oreo ever? Have you ever had one chip ever in your life?

Have you ever had one taquito the crazy part is the chip that where it leaves the residue on your fingers and you like Yeah, I'll leave and then you see that and it reminds you. Oh, I don't want to eat some more Still there, it's crazy. Here's another one. You don't prioritize protein. So Protein, let's talk about its benefits first, and then we'll talk about the satiety effect. So the benefits of protein in Calorie-controlled diets. In other words, all things are the same. The difference is one group eats high protein You know close to one gram of protein per pound of target body weight.

The other group eats what would be considered regular protein So nobody's deficient. It's like regular protein high protein calories the same Both in a deficit the high protein group loses more fat and keeps more muscle in a calorie surplus So you're not trying to lose fat. You're trying to gain a high protein diet builds more muscle So that's the benefit satiety wise protein produces far more satiety Than fat and carbs what that means is if you eat a high protein diet and you prioritize it from whole natural foods Not talking about protein shakes not talking about bars But real food when you prioritize a high protein diet from real food, you will eat less naturally Naturally if your diet is low in protein you will eat more Naturally, so prioritizing protein is a great way to help Well, this is why this one is the the first kind of go-to that we talk about when we are helping somebody We just recently had a live caller and you know, he was asking, you know some basic stuff with his diet I'm like, let me hear What you do and like one of the first things he says like, you know, I I'm not I don't really track my protein I think I'm I'd eat around it's like I was like stop.

I don't need to hear anymore Like that's that's I know how impactful just doing that because that Takes care of one and two at least a good part of going to what doesn't that mean that it makes one or two perfect? But it does help with one or two because if you just prioritize protein and if you still eat out You'll eat out less if you just prioritize protein and you still eat processed food. You'll eat less Yeah so doing that really helped like naturally manages one and two and then and then if you actually make an effort to Follow that and then also follow one and two.

Oh man now you're magic. Yeah. Yeah a home run Thank you. Exactly. You're you're you are gonna get an incredible if you follow those three You're getting an incredible shape just by following those three, but that just focusing on the protein helps out with one or two All right. All right. Here's here's another one. This one's really interesting to me when people are watched observed in studies eating meals either Alone doing nothing it's just them in the meal versus them and the meal and their phone or Them and their meal and a computer or them in the meal and TV the difference in caloric intakes about 10 to 15% Same food same person 10 to 15% first off you eat faster Second off the the satiety signal doesn't register till later, right?

What does that look like? I'll tell you what it looks like. It's the difference between eating 2,000 calories and 2250 calories Okay, that could be the difference between going in a deficit and not or being at maintenance or a surplus It's literally so if you if you eat your meals and by the way, a lot of people are like this right now This is so especially with phones when smartphones came out Most people eat their meals while distracted now if you eat breakfast while on your phone Lunch while you're on your phone dinner while you're on your phone You can pretty much guarantee that each meal you are consumed if you just eat to your satisfied You are consuming 10 to 15 percent more calories just from that alone You're shoveling it in and you don't even realize yes.

Yeah, you're just not even paying attention But yeah it's easy to do and this is used to be like Traveling from one place to the other and then eating on the go and in your car and all that But yeah, the phone is a huge factor to this. Oh, yeah. Are you familiar with the neuroscience of what's going on? Okay, so give me give you an example of and this is the top of mind for me, too Because we talked about this the other day You know when you're in a diet You will be hungry, right?

That's just part of the process When I am one of my strategies at night is going to bed earlier Because and the what's the opposite of that is staying up late and watching TV I have an easier time laying in bed trying to go to sleep hungry than I do Watching a movie in my bed and being hungry. It's like it's it's like I it's an association for sure, right? There's definitely an association that there's got to be something else that's happening to a neurological level That is like my brain is distracted in a way where it's like the hunger signal is already there me going to sleep and like focusing on going to bed going to sleep go in like Tomorrow or the like I've reframed before I'm leaning out right now.

I think I'm guessing that dopamine seeks more dopamine So you're watching a show you're getting more dopamine more dopamine always wants more dopamine Which could come from eating right at the same time? But I do know this and and you could if you're listening to this or watching this you could practice this Eat all of your meals while not doing anything else and you will see how different it is Yeah, you'll see that you eat less. You just eat less you chew more You just eat less when you do it.

It's so wild and again studies consistently show 10 to 15 percent more calories And lastly, this one's gonna piss off a lot of people you drink alcohol Yeah, that's a tough one. People don't like to hear that one, but I'm gonna tell you right now And two calories your one drink at night is close to 200 to 250 calories That's typically what people are consuming in the form of an alcoholic beverage. I've had clients Lose weight just from that. Yeah just from cutting Oh, there's more of this downstream effects that as well as it interrupts your sleep And so like, you know, even just taking like a couple degrees better sleep like getting like deeper sleep Will make a massive impact on your on your fat loss Can I just say this too and this is true?

one of the effects of alcohol even a little bit of alcohol, especially a lot of alcohol, but a little bit of alcohol is a reduction in inhibitions Some of the worst meals I'll ever have or after having a couple drinks After having a couple you're saying that's why Justin feeds it to his wife Don't tell her there are positive I mean I do want to make this clear because We have we have such a large listener base that dips in and out of the podcast and you know You might have listened say three months ago And then now you're listening to this and like wait a second I know these guys have drinks and I know Adam has the occasional ice cream I also eat out and sometimes I've processed right so I want to make it clear that when I'm speaking to somebody who is not Happy with their current state of their body fat percentage their aesthetics or their or their goals, right?

This is a person We're talking. Yeah, you are you are trying to make change. You're frustrated. You're not seeing the change Here are the five most likely things that are going that are how it does not mean that I don't think that in the real world Like through lot throughout life. You should not be able to find a way to have these things you can have flexibility That would be the first thing I would eliminate when I'm trying to lean out and that's just how it is That's right.

No, it's a big factor 100% if I was not competing with Sal to get lean right now. I would have had that ice cream I 100% would have had that 250 calories when I when I'm already looking shredded Well, I'm already when I'm already training dial to get in like that is not doing some good That's not doing damage to me in that situation. That's just slowing down how fast of results I can get right now And so tonight I'm a door-to-door Ice-cream smelling candles. Is that a thing?

I don't know. It should be why would you get one ice cream smell? I'm Noah, huh? Vanilla. I mean, yeah, that's vanilla is my favorite candle That's my favorite, but I would absolutely really so I'm a chip. I share a candle in my house. That's you do a chip ice cream Favorite ice cream, I don't think they could do that mint chip. Yeah, that's your favorite mint chip and chocolate multi crunch. Mm-hmm I am the the old man of me likes coconut pineapple and butter pecan to Butter pecans pretty good half-baked Damn, that's like I go.

That's that's like that's fat kid. Look like 5,000 Cal Brought 1500 calories for that little thing. Yeah, it's like it's the fact that I know that's a little bit of brownie Like half baked brownie in there a little bit of you know, obviously like it's got like cookie dough chocolate syrup. It's got like Everything good everything like the goodness of the world. You know, it's like named after I believe it's from is it from the movie? It's a stoner it's a stoner. I know it's a stoner.

Yeah, it's a stoner ice cream I mean, it's like it fits stone. We just took people on the craziest ride right now I know we just talked to them about there is a mint chip ice cream candle there. Yes Yeah Yeah, order me one that's good. Just I'm saying Sal you got it. You got to go next level Yes, we just took people in such a while or serious. Here's why you're not losing weight. What's your favorite ice cream, by the way? Especially as you open it up with the the fat guy right now really, you know, like frustrated This is training.

Hey speaking of you said half-baked speaking of cannabis You know, there was a study that just came out that linked. I'm gonna read this to you I miss my camp daily. You don't have it anymore. Huh? Do you never do? Yeah I mean, I've had it I can count on one hand in the last year. I don't I don't miss it I really don't miss it. I that's that's the I miss not missing it It's uh, it's ever since coming off the kratom I don't enjoy it the same weird you like them together I mean, of course, I mean I was I would smoke most nights.

Oh Interesting, yeah interesting. No, I don't I don't I don't miss cannabis at all. Mm. Not at all Yeah, I have I have moments where I'm like I should smoke right now No, you know what? I don't know. You know what identified with me in cannabis. I don't know. It's weird What maybe TMI can't cannabis for me leads to lust Like a lot of lust which is which has been a problem for me in the past And so because of that connection, I don't want it I don't want to be just as look at me.

I don't look at just the way I talk about Anyway, I mean that that's part of why I would enjoy it before my wife and I were to live we're laying in bed That's when I would have it. Yeah, but it gets a little I just if that's you know, like I said I'm not gonna get TMI, but I just don't I don't it's you know, what? It's like, you know, some people will say, you know, I used to enjoy drinking but every time I drink I start to act like a jerk or something like that.

They connect that. Yeah, you know I just connected I could let's pull thoughts It could just move me in that direction and because that's been an issue that was an issue for me in the past Yeah, because I've connected the two. I don't have Any desire? Yeah I guess I what I haven't connected yet is the why I I don't enjoy it the same way anymore I mean, it's a good thing right and it's great because the the timing I remember for my motivation early on to Quit cannabis was more related to max.

Yeah, you don't want him to know. Yeah. Yeah I didn't I didn't want to have to ever even have to explain that right? And so that was like that was kind of always in the back of my head like hey He's gonna get to a certain age Where he'll pick up on smells or he would see paraphernalia or something that I just don't want I don't want that at all And it's not again. I'm not obviously I'm not anti-marijuana guys Just said like there'll come a time in his age when we'll have that discussion and that's what I don't Motivation for me.

Yeah, I don't want to have it seven, you know, I'm saying modeling it. Yeah Yeah, yeah Because other than that is for me Unfortunately, I have all these like positive associations like like crazy creativity and like music like why is I you know? It's funny, but it really does like impact that and then also my sleep was great. But now that I've removed it It's like I I'm struggling with that So I'm like kind of like undulating it like see if I could like lose edibles more.

Yeah smoke So that's like that would be easy. It's right before bed. Typically cuz edibles are scary not because you couldn't take too much That's what that's obvious. But when you have little kids Because they make edibles taste like candy. Well, yeah, I know it's like should you? I don't even think about a kid my kid accidentally finding, you know, I mean, bro if I mean you fear if you're an adult, okay Yeah, you gotta be really responsible say if you're a doll and you have cannabis in a child Yeah, come on like you it happens all the time I mean it does but that they make little cheap safes dude, like come on like, you know, what happens all the time You know what happened every you know, every day kids are rushed to the hospital because they need their parents frickin Or whatever don't leave that laying around no Yeah, yeah, not the most irresponsible the best memory people yeah, you know speaking of which there's a study that came out that linked So this came from King's College of London.

This was published in science daily September 30th, so a review of more than 265,000 people found that cannabis use was associated With higher rates of both committing violence and becoming a victim of it. No, I Mean, that's no, I love it. Would you disagree? Don't have to see that so you know, it's bullshit That is bull violence. Yeah, get out of here. Hold on before you get all weird. I don't even see it I don't even know how you get when you're like, I already know Tell me what do you think?

I don't even know. What do you think they found? It's wrong It was wrong wrong Funded by cigarettes. Yeah. No, no, listen, okay. All right. Let's hear it. It's it's 265,000 people it's it's an association. It doesn't mean it's cause and effect, but there's an association So let's try to explain why they found this Why did they find that cannabis users were twice as likely to both commit and become a victim of cannabis? Well cannabis users. Does that mean like just somebody who admits they use or also like also, but yeah So these are people that smoke less risk averse like that or they they they have they're more carefree There's like a lot of things that could go and like they're happier to be Well, no so because definitely people that are under the influence of cannabis are not more likely to be violent than somebody that is is like Well, so here's what here's for sure not make sure so there's some speculation around it because again, it's association Which doesn't mean it's a terrible study.

It doesn't mean that there's a causation I mean, it's just a terrible study. Well, okay. No, first off on the backside. Yeah, I'm a back you up. Yeah, okay If you've ever known stoners, have you ever used cannabis yourself the last thing on earth that you I'm not gonna categorize them as violent People it might make you paranoid and scared which just make you want to do less I mean you it wouldn't make anything you're gonna remove yourself like away from there But but here's what happens.

We can't heavy cannabis users are probably more more likely to use other drugs Okay, that's probably more likely. That's fair now to be put in situations that I mean It's what that study reminds me of it reminds me of the caffeine study in the cigarettes It's like people who had a lot of caffeine back in the day or coffee also smoked cigarettes Yeah, so the whole gateway drug theory so that you yeah I that makes more sense to me and then that's why it's a terrible study because it's like it's you're totally doing a There's no causation there.

There's not even very much correlation now that being said, okay, because that's a hunter I'll put my money on that Adam I'll put my money on it that what you're finding with people who use cannabis regularly are also people who also use other drugs more Regularly including alcohol, which is true Also, you're probably these are pop people who are associating themselves with other people who use other drugs They're in those situations because they're also the victims of more violence. They're not just committing more violence They're also the victims of more violence.

So they're they're in situate in my opinion. I would bet money They're in situations where things like that are more likely to happen that being said the the strength of cannabis has gone up so much that the psychiatric effects the Horrible psychiatric effects the schizo type effects has risen With cannabis use because the dose is so freakin strong. Yeah, it's Wild listen, I so I I'll speak personally. Okay, I I don't have any epigenetic underlying like psychosis Yes, not gonna be good for you. If you have if you're you know, you're teetering on the on the borderline of Psychosis and then you have some strong-ass weed you're gonna you're more likely to tip you right so I'll tell a personal story So I don't really use cannabis anymore Like I just said, but there was a period there where I had it every single day I had it every single night.

This was right around it started right around. I had somebody very close to me Who was terminal and I researched it for her. She had cancer then I started using it Then I started to find escape in it and then it just became a habit That I had for years and years and years and so I would go buy it at the dispensary, so we're in California It's been legal for medicinal use for a while and it's been legal now for regular use for a while but back then it was just medicinal use so I got myself a You know medical marijuana card with your glaucoma, which was Which was the Doctor We go the mall There's a 50-50 shot your doctor was it when he gave it to you it was a you walk in there Oh, yeah PMS.

Here you go But you're hurt Anyway, I got a fungal infection when I used to go buy it. I was I got really into cannabinoids I really got really into the science again because I was trying to look for the the chemo effect the effects for someone on chemo the effects for For cancer and so I would always look for high CBD or good ratio And I you know, I paid attention to that kind of stuff and back then this was only like It's maybe 15 16 years ago.

Maybe 17 years about the most You know 15 16 percent THC was was the norm 20% was like oh god. This is strong. Okay, you go to a dispensary right now Everything is 26 27 percent everything it went up that much. Well, I don't even think it's I mean as crazy as that is I don't even think it's I think it's the people let which are like anything else you tend to You if you were someone who was doing on a regular basis sooner or later 10% doesn't do much 15% than 20% and then what comes after that is like things like dabbing and hash and all that stuff and That stuff gets clean.

The edibles are crazy, bro I remember back in the day a five milligram edible was the norm Yeah, they don't even sell five minutes. They sell 100 milligram edibles 100 Yeah, that'll that'll put you in a in a in another universe. Yeah hundred milligrams. Yeah, it's crazy So and I mean, it's you know, it's it's a you know, interesting fact, you know that like a prohibition times like that We've followed the same Pattern right like when legal dates first illegal and in certain states and then you had to give you a doctor prescription and everything like Very similar Yeah, same same thing like I don't know if they use things like anxiety Yeah, I don't know what they What the excuses and what they connected it to what alcohol positively can do whatever I don't remember what what those were but similar Similar pattern as and it was probably I'm sure was laughable back then too It was just a loophole basically in the system that you can legally get it and that was the same same concept Wow That's wild.

All right. So earlier I took some joy mode, which I haven't had for a while Because I really like the way it gives me energy. I really do I've used it as a pre-workout. It's not a stimulant So people listening joy mode is a pre sex supplement. So, you know, you're probably like why did you take it before podcasting? Yeah, it's not for that. It's because it were the medical reasons done. It contains it. Hold on. Sorry Are you looking for the alcohol? Yeah, he found he found that what he was fact-checking me and it was yes It's true, but I wanted to see what the medical results So joy mode is a pre sex supplement, but the compounds in there really are geared around blood flow It's all about increasing blood flow because if you're you know, when when you're gonna have sex Better blood flow means better erection and performance that kind of stuff So that's all the compounds in there, which also help with pre-workout.

So take it as a workout you get better pumps It's also good for endothelial health for the health of your Arteries we know this now endothelial health is like one of the most important things to pay attention to Mm-hmm when you want to reduce your risk of things like cardiovascular Easy, I also just feel energy from it. I feel great. I've done the same Yeah, just for energy before work out and it's no stimulus. It's non-stimulant So you can take it at night and go to sleep afterwards and also you're a little more I mean if you got access if you had access to this from this you got access to Your commercial Access can't avoid it.

I'm just saying this is your hack, right? They made it for a cake because it takes it takes a solid 30 45 minutes for it to kick in You take it then you go sit in the sauna for a good 20 30 minutes And then you then you rinse off in your shower and then by the time you get out of shower, it's Calm it's go time. So Yeah, that way we've never saw it The combo those two together Pre going to bedtime is is awesome.

Oh, that's it. If you haven't done that you have to do that Yes, that's that's that's really weird I tell you speaking of like that kind of stuff did I tell you my wife We were she got real mad at me and she tried to insult me, but it turned into she felt really bad She felt really she came back and apologized what happened, but she didn't need to apologize because the way she Insulted me with what happened first. What were you guys? We got a big argument because you know over my relationship to fitness, so long story short won't get on the details, but I wanted to work out with her in the morning and I'm trying to make that happen a little bit more often just we spend Time together But you know start work out at 7 a.m We got the kids kids get in the way, you know, so she can you know be a little late or whatever And I'm really like rigid about it I got to leave at a certain time when I'm gonna try to finish my workout And so we were just talking about like she and this is the conversation we had where you know, she noticed that I'm like Yeah, I'm gonna eat less but it turned it I'm gonna get shredded.

She's like you just going from one extreme to the other So we're having this conversation turned into an argument because I don't want to be told that I get defensive and then she gets you Know whatever and so we were just going she got really mad at me And she goes I don't even like the way you look and at first I was like, oh Wow, but she immediately followed it up. She was like this. This is the whole statement I don't even like the way you look you look like an action figure.

You're almost 50. You shouldn't look like that Rollercoaster that your body went through in that in that three seconds. It went. Oh I feel like your shoulders like this and then you're like, I don't like the way you look essentially I don't like the way you look you look to Jack She said that to me now because we're in the argument. I was just like, you know, whatever so I'm not like, you know Yeah, and they're like, you know hours later. She comes up to me and she's like, she just felt really bad You know, she's like man.

I I'm really sorry. I like the way you look. I'm so sorry I said that that's so horrible and I felt like I told her that honey You did tell me I look like an action figure right now the best shit sandwich I've ever got Accidental compliment best the best insult I've had all year. That's so good. Have you guys seen the the data on kids and how they identify Sexually and what's happening right now with it? Oh Dude has it changed? Okay. And so what are we getting better?

What is this timeline that they're observing? from so starting in 2015 yeah, there was a sharp rise of kids identifying as LGB so either lesbian gay or bisexual. Yeah, it peaked it peaked in 2021. So here's what it was ready in And I'll give general numbers in 2015 it was like right around 10% of You know teenage kids said that they're either lesbian gay or bisexual by 2021 that number had gotten as high as 25% So like all of a sudden like oh my god now people were like, oh, it's because people are more accepting This is just how it is.

This is whatever. Well turns out that's not true because Right now it's 2020 this latest data 2025 that number has dropped to roughly 15% so this huge spike and this huge drop dropped which which flies in the face of the You know, this is just you're born this way type of deal I'm not saying that that's also not some truth to it But but this does point to that there is a very strong social Component when we're talking about this because it's a big swing. That's not a small swing.

No, that's a huge difference Yeah from over the course of you know Ten years sure that we're seeing that kind of stuff Who's the professor? Who wrote the book coddling of the American mind? He also spoke at the ARC event didn't he do some research on all that? I don't know. Is he part of that? I don't know. I can't remember his name coddling of the American the coddling of the American mind Pinkler is that his last name? What's his name there Doug? There's two authors of that book.

It's the one that we saw speak it and he's got another great book. Okay, they don't Jonathan Hey, oh, yeah Didn't he do research? I'm not sure I could have sworn he spoke on this also and he's got a new book Outside of coddling American mind. I don't know that what it is. Yeah, you know when it comes to this topic There's so much a lot of there's been a lot of study into trying to look for a genetic connection they can't find it. Yeah and and there's so much that points to That this this is very strongly influenced by yes by life experiences and by social You know norms that it's just highly influenced when and I always I mean culture around it.

I always thought this because I There's a great example of this like prison is a great example of this like dudes do a lot of things in prison that are Gay, you know that aren't that they wouldn't do outside of prison and it's just the environment that has changed. Yeah, so You're also talking about a time in most kids life that is is kind of confusing when your hormones are radically changing You're a teenager. You're learning about like there's so much that's happening. And so I think even somebody who doesn't identify as that.

There's a lot of confusion around sexuality and understanding stuff So easily a time where that could I could see get manipulated by or influence I should say By society pressure pressures for sure. So I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised by that at all yeah, I was more surprised by the 25% number because Anytime I've been in I mean that would that would basically mean at least one or two of us should be in this room That's a hot there's only one of us yeah Yeah, that's one in four, that's a, that's a, that's a high number.

That is a high number. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really high. I know, I know it's crazy, but it's interesting. It's dropped so significantly. So it kind of, you know, it points to that a little bit. So is that just more of a cultural thing that's shifted? Uh, yeah. Cause that's what it seems like. Yeah. I mean too. Yeah. Cause you do see a lot of effort, uh, in a lot of content and a lot of like media and it was, it was really highlighted quite a bit, you know?

And so that has to like play a factor. I think it, I think it totally does. Which it should probably level out. What'd you think? Cause we tend to do that the whole pendulum thing, right? We went so extreme and then what probably settles in the next four to five years is probably a more realistic number. And we'll say, yeah, that's what I would say. Yeah. That's what I would think. Dude. I was, um, watching this, this, um, it wasn't like a documentary, but it was like kind of behind the scenes of, uh, Napoleon dynamite, um, which I love that movie and it was like such a random comedy that kind of came out of nowhere.

But they were highlighting the fact that like he started the guy that created that film, um, I guess he was in some schools, like a school project and he only put like $500 into it initially and literally had like, so the guy that played like Napoleon dynamite was like one of his buddies and they first like launched it off through, you know, like presenting it to class, the professor kind of liked this, you know, you got something here. And then they kind of went through like one of those like film festival things and then got like really good reviews.

And then he literally just ran it, um, on like a really tight budget. It was like something like a couple hundred thousand. It was like 400,000 made like 4.6 million or something off the film. But, um, it was crazy about it. It was like, they're going through the whole way that they shot it. And I had no idea that they actually use like a real high school, pretty much everybody in there were real people, like students of the high school. And so they didn't use like, they didn't cast a lot of, um, you know, like background actors or like stand-ins and all that, it was all just like real people, like in Idaho and this, in this, uh, community, uh, and the guy that I forget his name, Jonathan, I forget his name, the guy played Napoleon dynamite, but like, he had already been working on that weird dance he did at the end, uh, on his own.

And like, so a lot of these scenes were totally impromptu and they just like filmed it and that became like a cultural just phenomenon. I was always confused. So I, Napoleon dynamite, I think it's just a cult classic. I think it's, it's the, the more you watch it, the funnier it gets. So I was just going to, okay. I was going to ask you guys, so glad you said that went that direction because when I think about Napoleon dynamite, I'm also reminded of Zoolander, two of my favorite comedies.

Oh yeah. Okay. That one grows on you later. I didn't like either one of them the first time. Yeah. They're funnier. Like liked it the second time, third time. Like I fell in love with it the first time. I'm like, what am I watching? And so, and I think people that didn't like it, like, that's what happened is you go this weird, I don't get it. You don't know what you're watching. Maybe you didn't finish it because it's so different, but the, once you get it and you get like the humor behind it, like it becomes like hilarious.

I mean, I can't, what is that? I don't know. I don't know because there's a few movies that, that that's happened to me with those are the two that come to mind songs that like that too. By the way, I'll listen to a song. Sometimes there's, there's things like that. There's art like that. Uh, my buddy texts me about a car, right. And, uh, I've seen this before with, with vehicles or I see, um, a new design, um, that say Ferrari comes out with, and then when it first gets launched, I'm like, that is ugly.

I don't like it. And then over time of seeing it, this has just recently happened to me. I saw one in person. I'm like, damn, that looks beautiful. I looked, I thought it was ugly at first. What is that? Is it's like a, maybe it's something that's so novel. Yeah. It's so novel. Our brain can't connect it to something we've seen before. And so it kind of wants to push back on it and then it becomes open to it. Like, well, there's gotta be some, I think what's theirs in terms of Napoleon dynamite by itself was just like the way that they did everything was completely opposite of what Hollywood does.

So like they, I mean, for the most part, it was just shot like very like spur of the moment, like we're going to run this today, like, and they would just run with it and they didn't like, they didn't cut a lot of things out. Like they, they just decided to, to make it as authentic. And they used authentic a lot because it was like, um, they were trying to portray like they're, they're these real people, not, they weren't like. Leaning into like funny jokes or leaning into, they were just like trying to make these quirky characters, like, as like he would do it this way, he would like all of a sudden, you know, get up and run all weird.

And, and, you know, so I think it was just like, you're like, you relate to it on a level where it's like, this is more realistic versus like scripted stage, you know, performative. Well, the thing that always confused me about Napoleon dynamite is I could never figure out what decade they were depicting. Well, that was brought up too, because the wardrobe itself. So you have to like, if you're going to pick an era, you have to spend a lot of money on set design and a lot of like costume design.

So all he did was went to local thrift stores there and every outfitted, everybody in local. So, so basically you're, you're like retro, but you, you could be like, now he could be back then because at some points I'm like, okay, you know, but there's other things that they're depicting in there that, that shows that it's at the time. Oh, it's all drawings, you know, the unicorn, the Liger, that was literally his drawings, but I mean, like the trapper keeper, her hair, the, the, the, the photos that she did.

I mean, everything was eighties. What was not eighties? Have you ever walked through a thrift store? Yeah. That's literally what you're watching. Like the trapper keepers there, the old backpack, you know, what air, what decade was Napoleon dynamite depicting? Because maybe they were trying to depict. That's what I feel like they were half the time. I didn't make any sense. Really? No. I felt like everything was kind of 80. It was like, it was depicting contemporary early two thousands, even though it looks like it took place in the past.

Interesting. Yes, dude. So like, so then to Justin's point, it's like to pick, which by the way, in the two that will rotary in the nineties, and I think this is coming back, I think this is in style again, I don't know, uh, with kids, but I know in the nineties, I re I remember when a thrift store shopping became popular again, like where wealthy kids would go and buy thrift store clothes because it was in vogue. So it was, and so that was around that time.

So in the, in the nineties, it was cool to wear thrift clothes, even if you didn't need to buy thrift clothes. So I wonder if that was kind of the, the movie, cause that, that's what, that's the air there and that's what they're, they're definitely wearing income too. So it's like, you know, it was just trying to kind of like encapsulate that area. It says here, director Jared has based the film on his upbringing in a rural community, capturing how isolated small towns often lag behind mainstream pop culture and technology.

Yep. So that makes sense. Yeah, that totally makes sense. Did you, all of us grew up in bigger towns, huh? No, I was small, small town actually. Yeah. Yeah. Felton small. That was hell. Yeah. But you were surrounded by like, you're in the bay. Well, I mean, I was close to Santa Cruz. We could get down there, but it was like where we were, like, it was pretty insulated. It was like, there was a lot of like cowboy in, um, uh, I don't want to like, I guess like skater or surf kind of guys.

Yeah. But that was it. Like that was our culture. What's K through. I was in a Kate and Dom Pedro. It was K through eighth. The high school had 50 students in the whole high school. Oh yeah. It was smaller than Napoleon dynamite. That's real small. Yeah. I grew up in a weird, very weird, very weird. Um, that's why I'm weird. Really? That's why I'm off a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was the coolest kid in school. I would. Yeah, there's, there's 12. I see.

That's like the time I did it and four of them were special. That's the time when I was, it wasn't, it wasn't a big deal for me. Did I ever tell you guys the time I did a judo tournament, I got third place. There were three people in my pool. I was on the podium. I had a metal, I got third place, bro. There's three of us. Oh, I remember being like, this doesn't feel right. It doesn't go, it doesn't feel right at all. Congratulations. Yeah.

Well, I got the lagging behind it is a very, uh, true thing. When you go to like a rural town like that. Uh, I mean, we see this even today in, in, in the country, like places like, uh, LA and New York are way ahead. Then you go right in the middle of America and they're 10 years. We'll see you like old starter park. No, yeah. I told you the stuff, the stuff that was hot like 10 years ago is just now making it there and that's all out of style.

Yeah. Yeah. So if you compare it, look at like a New York and an LA style, go middle America, and that's what 10 years ago, LA or New York was just a question for you, because I know you're like hardcore into the cut and doing all that calories, all that stuff. Have you bumped up your consumption of element? Yes. Two a day right now. Okay. So now you're two a day. Yeah. Yeah. Have you played especially in this Asana day? I could get away with one.

Um, but I'm two, have you played with like pushing it before your workout to see what happens to your pump? Well, so that's one of the things I'll do right now, especially in case. So, so how many, or so you have two a day? Is it one before your workout? One before sauna? Try two before your workout. Really try two before your workout one before he saw it, bro. So that's what I do. So I have one, 2000 milligrams before I do. So I have one, I have a thousand milligrams with that.

I mix with a pre-workout. Yeah. And then I have another thousand milligrams that I'm drinking in the workout and it makes it, I've done it where I forgot and I only did one makes a difference to have that much. Interesting. Cause I, I mean, way better pump. I mean, I, I have to, this is a, I mean, it's, it's again, it's cool going through this, uh, with you right now. Cause I'm reminded all these, these little tips and tricks and things that I do. You know, uh, I'm, I'm in that phase right now, that awkward phase of cutting where, uh, I don't like the way I look cause I'm flat, you know, I'm deeply, you're, you're not shredded enough to really where, yeah, yeah.

I, and I'm, I'm, I'm low. I'm so low carb, low calorie and consistently. And that, so people understand that, like it pulls all the glycogen out of your muscles and water. And so in the bodybuilding world, we call that a flat and also your body's not holding as much water in there. So I'm like trying to shuttle as much water as I in there. So it's interesting that you say that. And part of that strategy of doing the sodium before, and then I drink a lot of water is to try and get as much water in me as I can to create the illusion that I can air up more because it, and I tell you, it's a, it's such a psychological game because it's so, it's so psychological.

It makes you want to, to adjust or think that things aren't going well because what it looks like in the mirror is that I'm losing muscle. It looks like I'm like, I'm, I'm getting worse, getting smaller. Yeah. I'm just getting smaller. But I also know, and what, when you're, when you're really good and consistent long enough, and I, sometimes I have to do this because the psychological game is so strong is I will intentionally plan a big refeed day so I can see. And so I'll go like, let's say, and I already planned this.

My body weight will swing four pounds. Oh, easily. I'll go five, six easily. And, and, and I'll look way different. So I'll do that this week because I'm in that kind of state right now. It's been like two or three weeks where I've been really low and depleted. And so when my, my workout that I do on, on Friday, I've already planned, like I'm going to load. I'm going to load really hard. I'm going to have a high calorie day, high carbohydrates, get a workout in.

And then like what, like filled up me reveal and I'll go, oh, okay. I just did that. So I did that last night. So I went home last night and my wife made a homemade. Pesto pasta, a pistol, which is just my favorite. So good. It's homemade. It's high calorie because there's oil in it. There's cheese in, you know, part, you know, there's a Pecorino cheese in there. It's pasta. Then she made lamb chops. Lamb chops is very fatty cut of meat. And so I had a big old meal of pasta with pesto lamb chops.

And then afterwards I'm like, okay, I want even more sodium and some more carbs in my day. So I had a little bag of potato chips because I knew I was going to work out this morning. Yeah. Huge difference. I worked out and I was like, it was all for my cycle. So here's the trap because if you, you're doing this intentionally, cause you know what you're doing as, as I'm going to do, and then I'll go right back to the cut. That's right. Someone else would be like, this is what I need to do.

This is what I need to do. I know. And so you go, ah, that's what's wrong. I look so much better today. Stay the course. Now do more of that. And then you start overeating and then you're now you're putting body fat on. And so that was one of the hardest things about getting really shredded was staying in that deficit for long periods of time, like that already fighting the hunger signals and all those things, and then also the psychological part of, I don't like to look where I look, I feel weaker inside the gym and then you go, okay, I can't do this anymore.

So you have a big day of eating and then you go, oh my God, I look way better. And then you go, I'm going to go that way. So all my, my twenties, that was like what dieting was like, I would only go so, oh, I'd only go so far. And then I go, then I'd see the extra calories and go, oh, that's what I'm supposed to do and go the other way. But it's like, uh, you have to get past that and know that you keep going that direction because yeah, you in a depleted state looks so different than you filled up and you can get that right by the way.

These are the Justin's favorite conversations when you and I have these conversations, I just piece of like a tune out button. He's over there and he, he's thinking about other things. Hey, the rest of you that are listening to this, I apologize. I know, I know. It's so, uh, vanity driven, uh, by a lot of people who, well, that's, so that's why I, I like, I really enjoy talking about it and I, and I shared this when I went through my bodybuilding journey, I became a w I became way more of a better coach through that process because actually being on the connection, psychological piece, a hundred percent on a whole nother level.

And, and so, you know, cause there was, there was times where clients would try and communicate how they felt or they explained to me, like, I feel fat or they're like, and I didn't have the words for like what they probably were now I could totally explain to that person, probably what's going on or what happened or even better. You tell them ahead of time, really good coaching comes in. It's like, I can now forecast for them that, Hey, this is what's probably going to happen.

You're going to feel this way. It's totally normal. Like that's speaking of which we rarely ever plug this. What's the, what's the link to, to see if you want to work with one of our coaches, because we talk about coaching all the time. I know we're limited on coaches, but what's, what's our link for mind pump, personal training. Is that it? MindPumpPersonalTraining.com. We have coaches now. If you want to hire an online coach that was trained, hired, developed by us so we know they're good, go to MindPumpPersonalTraining.com and you can fill it out and see if it's right for you.

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What? That's crazy. No way. No way. I mean, we knew that, didn't we? No. Yeah. I've been eating more. Strength has gone up. Not hugely, but good for a lady my age. Five pounds on the barbell bench, six pounds on the barbell bicep curls. So it's going up. It's increasing. I've upped my, I've started to have more, well, I started to have porridge oats with protein for breakfast, which I wasn't doing before. And then having Greek yogurt with some protein in the evening. I probably could eat more, which I think I'm going to do because I can see the gains.

So. Yeah. Yeah. Excellent. I'm back. Very good. How's the energy? Any changes in your just overall energy? Yeah. Yeah. Much more. Yeah. And sleeping better too. Oh, wonderful. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah. So all a win all round, to be honest. Now it's only been 60 days, but do you see a difference? Yes. Do you see a difference in the mirror? I do. Yeah. Where I wanted it. I'm beginning to see a bit more definition, which is, as you know, what I wanted. So, and my husband made a comment the other day as well about my arms.

So. Hell yeah. Yeah. I'm going to just keep going. I want to get more and more and more muscle. That'll go. Yeah. Yeah. That's wonderful. Yeah. That's what I want. And I haven't put any weight on. I didn't get fluffy as I, I asked you, would I get fluffy? I haven't. In fact, to be honest, I possibly might've lost a bit, but I've not weighed. Good. So my clothes feel good. Awesome. I certainly don't feel fluffy. In fact, to be honest, I feel probably firmer. Good.

That's excellent. Yeah. Just keep thinking to yourself, I'm going to build the body I want. Yeah. And definitely a sign that we could probably feed more, like you said. Have fun with it. Great sign. Have fun with it. This is great. Yeah. Yeah. Really happy. You're definitely right. I mean, we knew that, didn't we? But us ladies are scared to eat, aren't we? Yeah. From what we've been previously told, but I mean, I'm eating good food, so. That's exciting. But yeah, I'm going to up it and so carry on with anabolic.

Yeah. I love anabolic for you. Yeah. Muscle Mommy would be good for you. PPL would be good for you. Symmetry would be good. Those are all programs, I think, that you could do well. Muscle building programs. Yeah. Yeah. I've got anabolic and I've got symmetry. Okay. Follow symmetry next. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Yep. Wonderful, Rachel. This is good news. I'm so happy you trusted us. Yeah. Definitely. And I used to tell my clients this all the time. I'm going to ask you to trust me now, and if you do, I won't have to ask you again.

And so now you're at the point now where you don't need to just blindly trust. You can see what it's doing. Yeah. Definitely. And this is the tip of the iceberg. It's only been 60 days. Yeah. Yeah. It actually accelerates as you go in this process. So this is going to be fun. Great job. Great example. Yeah. Perfect. Great job. Yeah. Very good. Thanks for calling in. Good to see you again. Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. Take care. Bye. I love the way she did.

She doesn't feel fluffier. She even looks more defined. Yeah. She's more firm. Strength training requires nutrients, and you got to take them in to make those body changes. And if you don't feed yourself, you're just stuck. And remember, she's like way more energy and stronger. She feels it. Her husband's comments are- Better sleep, all those things. And she's going to move in the right direction. And the fact that she has maintained weight or even possibly lost weight is a sign too. Like she said, I think I can eat more, and she's right.

If she was able to maintain weight or even possibly go down, absolutely, we could push calories even more. So she keeps leaning into that. She can continue to see the gains. Our next caller is Haley from Michigan. Haley, what's happening? How you doing, Haley? Hello. Hi. How are you guys? Good. Good. How can we help you? So I actually talked to you guys. I don't even know when it was now, but I was asking for program advice for playing year round overseas for basketball. And unfortunately, I have since torn my ACL, MCL, LCL, and both of my meniscus in March of 2025.

So that's been, yeah, it was not my greatest moment of my life. So unfortunately, I was meant to have surgery in Germany, but my PTs had me do no range of motion or mobility. So I actually had to wait three and a half months for that surgery. And then I had the reconstruction. And then I had both meniscus repaired. And then I had a scar tissue removal in January of this year. So it's just been like a lot. I've switched like physios about four times. And then at the same time, I've been dealing with just like a lot of chronic gut issues that I've had probably since I would say probably started my junior year or senior year of high school.

So at least like 10 years now, I'm old, I'm like 28 now. So it's been ages. And I've just always struggled with that a bit. So my question is, that's just a little bit of context of just everything that's been going on. I've really just been struggling to find professionals that understand the complications of both my injury and kind of healing my gut and all that at the same time, I've been feeling overwhelmed and frustrated and just not feeling like I have the proper support. As I've said, I've like been working with four different physios.

And I've worked with maybe two different functional practitioners now. And I think I did like Chinese medicine at one point, really like checking all the boxes. I had been advised to eat really low carb and restrict certain food groups, added sugars, gluten, dairy, some like histamine stuff, which helped and helped me feel less inflamed. But I just felt so fatigued and lost my period at some points, which as a recovering athlete, I know enough to know like that's not ideal. And I think since being injured and trying to heal all these things at once, it's just very overwhelming.

I've definitely struggled with some body dysmorphia, as I lost so much muscle during my injury process. I've just struggled with like eating patterns of like, now I'm kind of like have that carb fear that I used to, I used to eat just a ton and not really second guess it. And just kind of confusion of how to eat properly. So I don't always feel puffy and inflamed, but I am quite literally rebuilding my entire leg. I've just, again, I lost so much muscle. I was like this big at one point and I'm a very muscular person.

So just a vast difference. I currently weigh around 165 plus or minus. I'm not, or like maybe five or 10 pounds. I'm not really big on weighing myself for kind of these reasons, but I'm trying to rebuild my body and be able to compete professionally again, while also still in the process of healing my gut. I am on a protocol and just trying to get rid of that, like inflamed, puffy feeling that I feel all the time. I think someone called last week and just said she never feels like she looks the way she trains.

And like the, just like the effort I put into it, I put so much effort into this. I just don't feel like I feel how I would like to feel competing or just like in myself. So basically I would love any nutritional insight or just any insight in general on any of this stuff that you guys have on just proper macro intake. Just literally anything about injury or being athletic again, healing your body. And yeah, I just want to feel healthy and confident in myself as a human.

And I really just want to get back to doing what I love. So that's kind of the root of it, but yeah, so I'd love anything you guys have for me. That sounds really tough. It sounds like you've really been through it. How did you, how did you tear your knee so, so badly? Did someone run into you on the court? I was going out for kind of like a little two legged layout, but as I was going up, I slightly paused, which allowed her to come up.

So when I went to jump, she was coming down on this shoulder and all my weight was on my right leg and it essentially snapped. Like I thought I broke my leg and yeah, unfortunately Germany just didn't have a great protocol for that. So I ended up being like on the stretcher for like 45 minutes, like no pain medication until they had to come seduce me. And then like after that, my leg was out able to straighten, but yeah, it was just like, it's been a lot.

That's really rough. Okay. Okay. Let's talk about your gut health for a second. You said you're on a protocol. Yeah. Have you been tested for SIBO, SIFO for parasites? Have you done any tests for those? Yes. I did the GI map test and I didn't have anything. No parasites came up. I haven't been tested for SIBO, but given just, I also did some surveys and she said they didn't think that was an issue. It's actually, I have really low good gut bacteria. So I have a bit of like dysbiosis and then just kind of, everything's not functioning that well.

So I'm kind of trying to, I'm like in the rebuilding phase of getting all the good stuff back. And so I know like the restriction isn't helpful because I'm trying to rebuild, but my brain is just like, I feel like shit. So I'm sorry. I just don't feel great. So yeah, I'm like fighting like little devil angel on my shoulder, like, oh, you need to eat or this makes you feel good. But then it's like, but yeah, you don't feel good when you eat these things.

So it's just been tough. And you said you're tired. It makes you feel tired with these restrictions. Are you still trying to be super active? So I am like doing my rehab three, like lower body, like pretty obviously trying to lift heavy. I'm kind of getting back into plyometrics. So I have a little bit of that explosive stuff at the start and I'm doing like one to two core workouts a week. And then I try to walk, you know, after meals because I know that helps with digestion.

And then doing two to three zone two cardio is usually on the bike or rower or something like that. So it's not my old level of activity, but I am, I think still physically moving a good amount. So there's, cause there's two, there's two levers here that we need to work with if you're feeling fatigued because healing your gut is priority. Okay. Because if you don't heal your gut, you can eat more and you're just going to get more inflamed. Yeah. So I know what that's like.

So it's like you got to pick which ones, uh, you know, which one comes first and the one that comes first is, uh, working on your gut health. So there's two things, two levers here. It's either eat more, but that's kind of out of the question and the other ones move less. So if you're feeling really fatigued, what I would try to do is eliminate, uh, the activity that you don't feel is essential. Okay. So maybe the zone two cardio, maybe get rid of that. Um, and sleep is going to be a big one.

How is your sleep? It's great. I usually don't have much issues with that. I've kind of delved into that before even the gut stuff. So usually I'm getting like eight to 10 hours and like I feel good when I wake up and I pop out of bed and I'm ready to go. It's just like doing my workouts. I don't feel that energy that I usually have. So low cal. Yeah. And it's your calories are low. So, and so you'd have to reduce the activity, uh, so that you have, cause you're fueling your yourself only for so much activity.

Are there certain foods or things that you are okay with pushing? Like you can eat more of certain things and you're like, okay, this doesn't seem to bother me. Um, I've been eating a ton of like just vegetables and fruit in general. And I actually don't get bothered so much by like beans and legumes and stuff. Okay. Um, meat sometimes if I eat a lot of it, I'll feel like it's just very heavy. So I like can't eat a ton of it, but I do eat it like every day.

It's just like the volume at one time, which I know I'm like trying to get a certain amount of protein. Yeah. So like usually it's just anytime it's like a really heavy meal, I'm definitely just not eating any gluten. I know that just doesn't sit well with me. Um, but yeah, I feel like I'm, yeah, I don't know if there's, it's hard cause I feel like I react just randomly all the time. There's not like a certain trend where I'm like, okay, this for sure. Other than basically gluten.

Are you managing histamine? Is that part of this process? Uh, we talked about it, but I haven't been doing that recently. It was like a theory we kind of had when I was like, I've been doing this protocol for maybe like three or four months now and it's like comes and goes in phases. So we discussed it, but I haven't been recently. Okay. What about if she's that low a calorie, that clean of food too? What about like electrolytes? Are you supplementing with like element or anything like that?

Um, I'm using like a jigsaw adrenal kind of cocktail thing where I use coconut water and then I think that has magnesium, potassium and like more sodium in it. You'll need sodium, especially if you're eating really clean and you're working out. Yeah. That cause she might feel a difference just by bumping that up. Yeah. So that's, that's not a good, that's not a bad suggestion. Um, is maybe adding more sodium. Uh, so like a high sodium electrolyte powder elements really good. It's a thousand milligrams and you would know if it helps pretty quickly.

Oh yeah. You'll know, you'll feel energy in your workouts. Yeah. So you would know within a day if that indeed made a difference. I asked you about histamine, uh, because, um, bone broth protein powder. So paleo Valley makes a really good one. I take that every day. Okay. Good. Okay. So from you guys, I was like, okay, I'm going to give this to you. How does that feel when you take it? Does it, is it okay? I feel fine. Yeah. I don't feel any, like no symptoms when I take that.

Good. So you can bump that. You can bump that. Higher doses. Yeah. You can bump that up. Um, and then as far as meat is concerned, are you, uh, did you, is, are, is it okay for you to add psyllium husk to your diet? This is just the fiber. I've been taking that usually in the morning, just like one teaspoon, I think. So it's not so much, but I usually take that on an empty stomach with kind of my little drink mixtures I take in the morning.

So, uh, if you take it with supplements, it can actually absorb and block the supplement from getting, uh, absorbed. Yes. So like if I took psyllium husk with medication, I might not absorb the medication, take it with meals. So, so here's what you do, especially a larger meal. So let's say you're going to push the meat. You're like, okay, I'm going to eat a little more meat than I normally do. When you're done eating your meal, have your teaspoon of psyllium husk with a big glass of water.

And that in my, in my experience with clients who had issues with motility, which is what it sounds like might be one of the issues for you that, uh, I would say 70% of the time, like made a big difference, like 70, the majority of the people. Yeah. And that's an easy fix too. So I can definitely do that. Yeah. And so you can literally take a teaspoon with three meals. So with your larger meals, you could do that. Um, and the training, I would cut out what isn't necessary.

And out of the things you told me, uh, zone two could be gone, um, because you're already doing all the athletic stuff. Uh, and then when you're starting to feel low in energy, reduce the intensity of your workouts so you can manage that a little bit. And then as your gut over the last three, four months on this protocol, have you noticed improvements in your gut health? I definitely have. It just then like my period will come on, or maybe I do not eat something clean.

Like for example, I just traveled and so I flew and I felt awful yesterday. Um, so it just like fluctuates a ton, but I'll have some days where I feel great. And then I'll have other days where I'm like, oh my gosh, it's just like never ending, so it's not all bad, but it's just enough from like, okay, let me reach out and get a new set of eyes. So let me give you a little tip. Okay. Uh, so when I, when my gut was super reactive, it's not really as reactive now, but when it was super reactive, when I would eat foods out that I knew could potentially cause an issue, uh, I would take activated charcoal.

Okay. I actually have that as well. I just haven't been taking it. Yeah. And so that tends to absorb, you know, what, whatever reactive issues that I have, and you can take it with the psyllium, by the way, you can have psyllium with, with activated charcoal. Uh, and it's because if your issue is motility, by the way, if you tend towards constipation, you're a woman. So that's probably where you go. Yeah. So then you would want to take, make sure you're consistent with the psyllium because charcoal can also block you up if you take too much of it.

Of course. Yeah. Okay. So, so you, I would take both of those. Um, and then as far as the training is concerned, how's your stability been since the rehab? Uh, just like my knee itself or yeah. Like when you're training, like, yeah. Yeah. I actually have been struggling more with my knee stiffness. Like I actually feel quite strong and confident in my knee. Um, I just like when I couldn't, so they didn't have me do any range of motion before. So when I went in to get my first surgery, my range of motion was like 75 degrees and they were just like, we can't do this.

So I've just had a ton of scar tissue issues. Um, when I had the, I had a Cyclops lesion and then I had scar tissue on the front and then they did a manipulation. So I've had two manipulations. So I'm still like plus or minus 10 to 15 degrees. So I actually deal more with like stiffness, which I think is a lot of muscle guarding, like my hamstring constantly is just like battling. So it's not even a stability thing. It's literally just getting my body to freaking relax and like trust that it's not going to snap again, which has been tough.

Have you used isometrics? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Yeah. Yeah. I usually start all my exercises, like my workouts with that. And then even on my recovery days, I do some amount of those. Um, so like, I mean, I feel like I've been trying to do it. Like I've been working with someone online that's like an ACL person, which has been a lot better because I'm just the Western, I'm just like off of Western medicine a little bit in the whole thing. So I kind of have like navigated away from that a little bit.

So that's been helpful. And I have a lot of faith in the programming aspect at least, which is. One stressor that's been nice to not have on my plate. No, that's great. And one of the ways to use isometrics for instability is, uh, you put your knee in a position, like let's say, you know, flexing my knee, I can get to a certain point. Like, okay, this is about as far as I can flex my knee. That's where I would apply the isometric. Yep. So I would try to create safety to my, my CNS.

Yeah. So it's like, it's not just flexing the quad and the hamstring. It's like putting it in the position where it feels unstable. Then I apply the isometric for 10 seconds and then that can create, because here's what happens with surgery. So, uh, people think that, um, the issue is once you get everything fixed, you should be fine, but there's, there was trauma there and the body remembers, and so it's like, it's guarding, it's constantly guarding. Oh God. Yeah. I've been doing like hypnotherapy even just to be like, you're fine.

And it's just been the whole thing. I think it's, it's, that can maybe help. I've looked at the data on that. It's kind of mixed, but I know isometrics are really good at it because what it does is it creates stability in that scary place, degrees from that spot. Yeah. So it's like, if, uh, right here is where my shoulder feels unstable, that's where I'm going to create, uh, the tension and I'm going to teach my body that that place is okay. Um, and that seems to help, uh, quite a bit when I've worked with clients, but the gut health is the number one thing, but I would, if you're okay with bone broth, protein, push that.

And when you have the larger meals, add the psyllium husk and that with a, with a big glass of water and that should help with the, uh, with the motility. I think doing that bump in the sodium and reducing the zone too. I think you should feel a difference right away. Yeah. It should be pretty fast. I can make those changes like today. So, and I'm going to tell you this right now, Haley, uh, you're actually doing really well. You, you literally tore everything in your knee.

There's not a, yeah, I feel like I'm on a very physical therapist now. Cause I've just, I've had, I actually caught my Cyclops lesion. Cause I was like feeling, I was limping still and stuff. So I'm like research and everything. And I'm like looking into all this stuff. So I'm like, I'll probably go into some type of training or medical field after this, because as well, I'm halfway there basically. You know what? I tell you what, here's the other side of it. And I don't know if this resonates with you, Haley, but when you're a high performing anything and it kind of becomes a part of your identity, there's nothing, there's no way to prevent that.

Right. So much of your life was dedicated to playing basketball that, uh, it's like, what do I do now? Um, of course, of course. But Hey, uh, what you went through, what you're learning, it could make you a phenomenal corrective exercise specialist, sports medicine specialist for sure, or physical therapist. And it could give you that sense of purpose, uh, that you might be kind of missing right now because you're not able to do the thing that you were so good at. Yeah. I thought even like sports psychology just to like somehow combining those things, cause I'm like, man, even just day to day, it's so just, I've never experienced an injury before and I'm like, I can't even like people go through this all the time.

Like how do they survive? Like everyone's so strong. And you went through a major one. It's like injuries are one thing. And then like major injuries or no, that's a major injury. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I didn't even really, I've never thought of it that way. I just put myself in that group of like we're all injured, but no, no, no. Usually they call it, was that the terrible triad? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then they also added in a little LCL and the other, I don't know what they call that one, but it could make you a phenomenal person in that space.

And I know how important it is to have a sense, like a, something to target and a sense of purpose. Yeah. And so I just want to encourage you, if you kind of feel that, go in that direction and you could be a tremendous asset to other athletes that are going. I even get chills with you saying that. So yeah, I definitely, it's definitely on my radar now compared to before. I was like, Oh, I'll just play until I can't. And I'm like, Oh shoot. Like I can't play.

So like, what am I doing now? So it's like definitely giving me that perspective and I think I would really enjoy it and stuff. So like, I appreciate guidance toward that direction. Some of the best, some of the best coaches, uh, that I've ever worked with were athletes where their, their, their athletic dreams were kind of taken from them and they became the best I'd ever seen. So, so you just, and I'm going to tell you something right now, you're going to make way more money doing that than trying to play professional women's basketball.

Yeah. Even at this point, I'm like, should I even play again? Like I can just go on a trip for like on my own and not have to be in shape and like watch my diet the whole time. Well, I mean, it's hard to watch my diet cause my stomach hates me. But like, I'm just like, yeah, I don't know. I want to at least try to like, I've just have it set. Like I need to like, I want the decision. Like, can I play? Like, do I want to play?

I want it to be like, no, you can't. So that's kind of where I'm at, but yeah, you're definitely not wrong in anything that you just said. You're doing great. Last thing I would add Haley is if you, are you adding any peptides to see if they can help? Cause there's peptides for gut health and for, yeah. I actually just started, um, saw my mom, she's like a hormone specialist and we just started looking into that, but it is, um, illegal. I don't know, like the FIBA and like the world doping agency.

I don't think they're, that's right. That's right. Yeah. However, I have looked into that because I'm like really willing to try anything. So you sound like a woman of lots of integrity. I'm just going to say something for other people who are listening. They don't know how to, they can't test for those things anyway. Oh, but if you decide, but if you decide to just go down the field of correctional exercise or physiotherapy or. You know, sports psychologists, then you're totally clear to use them. And BPC one five, seven thymus and beta is not just good for healing.

It's also phenomenal for gut health. That is why I was like, man, I could do like a little two for one action here. Like it's very tempting. So I'll have to talk with her again. Cause that was her concern. She's like, I don't want to do anything that would jeopardize your career. And I also actually have never been tested as a professional. Like knock on wood, but so that's something to think about. So that is good to know. Cause I really, like, if you look it up, it says they're not allowed.

But there's no way, there's no way to test for them, which is trying to scare us. They are. And then a red light therapy would be the other thing that I've been doing that. Oh, you're good. Yeah. Haley, you would make a great coach. I know. And all the things. Yeah. If you, if you ever, if you want to go with us in the loop, if you ever get in the coaching route, we hire coaches here at mind pump. I've been doing basketball coaching and training and I've loved it.

Um, but I just like, I feel really called to work with like women and like athletes that have like been injured and stuff, cause I just also think women are generally in the medical field, not understood and not really given the resources and stuff they have. And I've just unfortunately dealt with a lot of the men in this space that have just been a nightmare. Um, but I love you guys. I listened to you guys. I'm glad we're the exception to the rule. It feels like this is the beginning of a fork in the road.

So yeah, I definitely agree. And it's actually kind of inspiring, like hearing this perspective from you guys too. So, um, even if I do play, I think I might maybe start some classes or certifications and stuff cause I might as well, but yeah, no, I feel like that just feels nice to hear from you guys. Keep us in the loop. Let us know how the psyllium husk, uh, helps and, uh, yeah, let me know. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you.

She's a tough girl. Yeah. I mean, she's got a great attitude. Listen for people listening right now. Yeah. Uh, she tore everything. It's a traumatic, traumatic thing. The only thing she did. Terrible triad plus one. The only thing she didn't care was her patellar tendon. I'm like trying to think of all the hanging on by a thread, dude. Uh, and she, the fact that she's working out and able to do what she's doing. Yeah. Uh, is exceptional by the way. I feel like she's got a good coach.

And I want to add this, like gut health, uh, challenges are really common with high level athletes. So that's the other part of it. Losing the period. All that stuff is very, I wouldn't be surprised if she bumps her sodium, she knows his difference. I think so. I think I was a good call because she's eating so clean and low calorie and doing all that. And then her, her coconut water is not high enough sodium. Yeah. So be really interesting to see what happens if she feels a difference just from that alone.

Our next caller is David from Massachusetts. David, how's it going? How you doing David? What's happening? What's going on guys? How are you? I'm good. How about yourself? I want to start off first. Talk to Adam, like I was on the show back in April of 24, but this time, you know, Adam, I'm a real big sneaker head and, uh, I know I think you're a size 12. Yes. And all right, good. So anytime you feel like donating those shoes, especially Travis Scott, SP dumps, you can send it to Massachusetts anytime.

That's good to know. I got you. One of the reasons why I watch you guys actually on the YouTube. So I can see what you're wearing, bro. Oh, wow. All right. That's neat. Right on brother. Yeah. So anyway, so I had, like I said, I previously was a caller on, um, April 24. At that point, I started my strength training journey. And that's September, uh, go back a little bit. I used to be 505 pounds and within the past six years, I made a commitment to, to change that.

Uh, I want it to be around for my kids and for myself and my wife. Right. So, um, so slowly, surely I'm down now to two 64, two 68, um, all on my own. So the thing is, is that, but I'm plateauing a little bit. So originally when I talked to you in, uh, in 24, I had, um, uh, I was called about, uh, I was getting a lot of nagging injuries. I just started training, uh, probably wasn't, you know, probably pushing myself a little too hard at first.

And then you guys gave me maps 15, which worked out great. Had some elbow tendinitis and forearm pain, you know, you know, those can go on. I fixed all those issues, but now I feel like, so at that time when I talked to you, I was about 294, 298. So as I said, it was 24 of April. Now as is September 26, I'm two 64, two 68. So I've lost about 20 pounds, but it's been three years almost. And I feel like I'm plateauing. Not sure what I can do at this point.

I feel like my strength might be, uh, plateauing. My weight loss is plateauing. I just want to see what I can kind of kick, drive and get it going again, you know, and then I have a couple other questions, but yeah, that's kind of what the gist of it is guys. How tall are you? I'm about six feet. Yeah. So you're, you're the, I want you to, first of all, when you're getting to a weight now that isn't like too far off, like what would be a great way.

And so it should slow down, like obviously coming from 500 to where you're at now was probably some, but. You now, if we do a good job of building muscle, the scale doesn't move as nearly as fast anymore. So I just want to encourage you. You look really good. I'm looking at your picture, dude. You're Jack muscular, dude. Like you're really Jack. You know what it is? I hate to interrupt. You know what sucks too guys? So I was five Oh five. And when I used to be five Oh five, I had, which is crazy.

I had no body dysmorphia. I swear to God, I would get a haircut, call my wife. I work there. You see my new hair. I look great. I didn't look great. You know what I mean? I look like, you know what I mean? So now being, you know, you know, I'm straight training for almost three or three years now, actually this month is three years and, you know, I have good days. That is what I'm telling you. I have the worst body this morning. I've ever had in my whole life at this point Okay, so we're gonna address that that's the most important thing.

Okay, David. So let me ask you a question Sure, if you stayed like this for the rest of your life, okay, you got the muscle you're strong I'm assuming and you can correct me if I'm wrong Your energy is way through the roof compared to how it was your mobility way through the roof compared to how it was Your quality of life is way through the roof compared to how it was What what's the problem if you just stayed like this now You're not going to but I want you to just just put yourself on that mental state if you stay like this What's the issue?

Yeah Jeez Listen, my goal from the beginning of this journey was to hit 220 I think 220 almost six feet tall. I think to me that's an ideal weight for me It's where that's always been my goal. It still is Well, like like you said Sal if I was to stay here for the rest of my life God sure, I'll take you I mean, I worked hard to get here and and being at 505 Yeah, I have quite quite a testimony where I've come from and I have so much more back to my story But I'm not gonna bother you with all that this stuff.

What? Yeah, I just I'm curious during this process Have you have we like tried to actually like reverse diet and build because I know it sounds so cool I feel like I I think I have though. I think I do that on my own pretty artfully anyways I feel like I'll have some good weeks where I kind of cut down when I'm eating and then a couple weeks where I Kind of you know push that up a little bit So I think I kind of balance it out pretty good But speaking of stuff like I can't I always tell people people, you know, people look at me and obviously, you know I had the best problem I've ever had in my life recently at the gym some guy I've been working with, you know We just say hi cross paths and he said to me.

Hey, man. I just wanna let you know you look great He didn't know I came from 505 pounds So those compliments to me is much better than someone that knows I came from 505 pounds You don't I mean sure but anyways point being so I tell like, you know when people ask me how'd you do it? I tell them to be honest I'll tell you guys I do like an 80 20 like 80% good whole foods and the fuel that I need and then 20% is You know what I'm saying?

I'm going out with the family or the friend, you know, yeah, so David I'm gonna caution you Okay, because you're you're at it. First off you got to a place. Most people don't get to number one So you got really far, but now you're at a crossroads and I'm gonna tell you something sure if you chase 220 With the body dysmorphia attitude, you're not gonna be any happier at 220. You'll be less happy Okay. Now what I'm about to tell you is Simultaneously gonna make you happier and also Slowly probably continue to improve your health and fitness and that's this because you've been consistent for three years Yes is now at this time.

You just enjoy it. No, you just enjoy it, bro When you go to the gym, you try new exercises you try getting good at what you do You have fun with it. You continue to enjoy what you're eating Don't pay so much close attention to the scale and I'll be honest. Go ahead I'm sorry, I'll be honest with you at this point. Did I tell my wife I'm like listen Going to the gym now is almost therapy for me Whatever I'm feeling that day or the stresses of life I walk in those doors and those are gone for the hour plus that I'm There I'm sure they'll come right back when I leave but for that hour and a half in there They've gone and let me tell you son the getting in shape or feeling better by myself or looking better Whatever the case is is just a side effect now.

I'll be honest with you. I just turned 50 so it's just you know, and that's another thing about my programming like I do a lot of My own PPL my own upper lower I'll slip it up like right now I'm doing a PPL with an upper So, I don't know. I kind of like both of those things I know you guys both have programs like that, but that's kind of just let you know what I'm doing there, too You're at such a good place right now that you can admit you have like an 80-20 rule 80% time you dial the other 20 You sound like you enjoy yourself and you've been able to lift weights be strong.

You love working out You want and if we want another level if I was training you and coaching you there's there's things that we can tweak But I think what set the point Sal is making if you let the body dysmorphia drive you to that number You'll reach that number and you'll still be unhappy and the things that you do to get that that that number may make you unhappy And the rebound is a real possibility if you do it that way, right? But there is definitely things that we can do to tighten it up and the question just becomes do you do you really want?

to do it that bad because if I Wouldn't want to put you in a river a controlled reverse diet where we are still dieting, but we're doing it with the intent of Adding calories strategically to build muscle not by the whim of the week now though. That's how you should live in my opinion That's how I live. I live in 80-20 type of role. I'm not tracking. I'm not calculating I'm not reverse dieting I have good weeks where I'm dialed I'm eating whole foods and low calories of other weeks where I'm Vacationing enjoying and eating a little bit over and it keeps me about where I'm at Yeah, but if I want to make moves, I got Cabo in three weeks and I want to start to see a difference Now I gotta die really dial it in and you're 260 to 220 range for guy who's where you're already at that.

It's dialing it in now I'm just gonna ask yourself. Do you do you want that? And here's look, you know, you are David. You're the perfect client Yeah, have you thought about working with a coach to go from here to where you want to go next? Well, I have in the past but I'm be honest you financially at this point. I probably couldn't do it So I'll just being honest with you guys right now. So I think that's something that's in the back burner I have two kids in college and all that good stuff, you know, no, I get it.

Yeah, I get it So listen, here's here's here's what you should do What Adam's saying is you could dial in that 20% a little bit and you'll see some movement Okay, so you could definitely dial it in but what I want you to do is focus on performance I don't want you to focus on the scale and you can focus on strength. You can focus on mobility You can focus on a new exercise a different kind of routine Sounds like you've done a lot of bodybuilding style routines So you could try sure you could try us like you try map symmetry We have a mat's old time It would be good for him if you'd like to get strong try map strong which has got strong man type exercises old timey Which has got some exercise guarantee you've never done before and just I'll be honest I don't mean to interrupt but like I'll be honest about that too Is that so I had a my gallbladder removed and then shortly after my surge my general surgeon I performed they said after six weeks you'll get to go.

I said why do strength training? I lift heavy weight Oh, no, you're fine six weeks. You're ready. I'll go. Okay, so I was dying to get back in gym six weeks on the dot I went right back in there sure enough from deadlifting. I got a incisional hernia So it's so this has been almost a year now that I've had the surgery But I can still feel a little bit a tightness there when I kind of push it a little bit so I get nervous With that with big compound movements now, I'll be honest two things David.

I'm gonna send you map symmetry Yeah, I want you to fall especially after what you just said follow map symmetry. It's different than what you did It will shape and sculpt your body Invisible ways. Okay, for sure, especially if you've never trained in that way before So I'm gonna send you map symmetry and then if diet wise I like what you're doing, bro Honest my advice to you is just keep going. But if you want to see a little bit of movement, it's the 20% It's that 20% and what you got to do is make it 10.

That's it. Just go 90 10. Yeah 90 10 We'll get you things to move a good rule that helps me when I'm when I'm trying to go from there Is that when you are when you're not perfect, right? So you have your great weeks where you're dialed everything on the weeks that I'm maybe more flexible I make a rule to myself that I at least have to hit my protein first Before I allow myself to have that XYZ thing that tends to really pull it back quite a bit versus This is my 20% where I'm just enjoying myself I'll eat the french fries first or I'll do this like no It's like I still got to get the protein first and then I'll enjoy the food tends to Tailor, so I do this similar thing to Adam The other thing that I'll do is when I go eat the thing that isn't you know Part of my healthy food I go get my dessert.

Let's say and then I eat half of it So I go this is what I would normally I'm gonna go half So now what I've done is I've taken I've now cut it in half and I do that Consistently and I always see drops in body fat percentage just by doing that alone We don't think about adding some cardio. Is that something I should you think about? That's totally how's your daily steps do you any ID tracker do geez I honestly it's it's high I get ten to fifteen thousand steps a day.

I go to the gym I do a bunch of stuff, you know, but your errands running around doing things walking the dog you name it by the end of the night I'm usually Never less than ten if you add anything if you feel recovered and you're feeling strong you're following map symmetry What you could do is that a performance style of cardio so like a 12-minute hit session once a week Don't worry about the calorie burn. It's just to build your stamina That would be the only thing that I would say you could add otherwise your steps are great Yeah, you're moving enough that I'd be okay there and it's a sales point if you want to build some stamina I do that But this is gonna be through program Also, you you said something you kind of run your own thing and you have an 80-20 on the diet those two things for me As a coach I hear is the huge opportunity like there.

Trust me. There's something to like follow symmetry to a T Don't do your own thing We know we're don't at don't add shit when you feel like you could do more follow symmetry to a T trust the process So trust in us that that we got you there and then and then take the little bit of advice on the diet thing and that Will help that'll be it One if you want to throw in the PPL program with it, I'm cool with that So The other thing so you've got the protein timing is there such a thing protein timing?

Yes, it makes it really makes no difference Yeah, it's all about digestion The only time protein time it makes a difference is by eating it first in the meal for satiety So when you eat a meal eat the protein first That's the timing that I focus on and and what's far more important than the time that you eat it in regards to when you worked out or what part of the day it's more important you just hit it every day every day because And this is consistently people don't understand this it's different than carbs and fats So if you have like a day where you had 230 grams of protein and then the next day where you hit 150 It's not the average of the two you hit you hit it on one day.

You failed and I failed the second day So you got that mindset going into every day. You got to hit it Right. That's the I find that to be a problem too because a lot of times on the weekends for some reasons I don't go to the gyms on the week. I go four days to the gym. I go Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday And on the weekends, I usually fast so I'll fast an average of 16 hours on Saturday and Sunday Especially I go to church and then sometimes even longer on Sunday.

Sometimes it's not it's 1819 hours So that's why I know I'm definitely not getting the protein. There's our opportunity right there. You know, there's our opportunity, right? They're easy fix just fast on one of those days make the other one consistent Alright, that's it. And then one of the quite when it comes to someone what you guys top five supplements vitamins you would recommend I'm just curious multivitamin vitamin d3 omega-3 fatty acids that are high in EPA and creatine That's all right. So that's all checked off then and then you guys do you guys have a recipe book on the website by any chance?

Or something that maybe I can maybe look into something a little bit more When comes to changing my food, okay, so I like Sean Stevenson's cookbook is awesome. Oh, yeah Look up Sean Stevenson's cookbook He was on our show and talked about it. Look at look his up He's got a lot of really good healthy recipes in there All right. Well, you know what? That's pretty much it. You know, like I said, uh, This has been quite a journey. I Never thought you know, I'd be my wife used to tell me, you know I know you would love if you started working on straight training.

I'm like, yeah Yeah, and I had a little fear I think a lot of think people have that figure especially five hundred five pounds going to gym not knowing what you're doing And but now geez if I miss a day Yeah, why do you think you guys talk about that that mental part of it now? So it's like awesome, you know, so what a day what a success story David yeah phenomenal phenomenal great job, dude Phenomenal great job and to do it. I really appreciate and to do on your own is very impressive.

I Appreciate it guys really do it. I'll be honest with you You guys have got me a little bit on the way these faster years since I caught you your podcast I love listening you guys you guys pretty cool. And yeah, that's all I got to say. You guys are pretty cool, man Keep me up. Yeah, god bless you. Thank you guys very much. Take it easy, brother. Don't forget We What a what a sick bro, he's jacked yeah, I know he's doing that picture he sent was jacked dude Well, I mean he but he's getting here's the thing It's hard to be that consistent number one, but if you are then you start to hit run to this hurdle of what's the next goal?

Yeah, what's the next thing? Yeah, and the body has a drive forward Yeah, and at that point it's a trend there is a transition and the transition turns into now I do it Well, this is such an interesting thing And I'm glad you you you really called him out on the body dysmorphia thing and how that will you even when you reach every problem because to be able to be at 80-20 you're eating right, but he's living great and he's Fasting on the weekends for hours.

So he's definitely not hitting protein there. He's kind of doing his own routine He's kind of modifying things that he's learned. I mean, there's plenty of room enjoying it. Exactly It's like you don't want to really change that because it's it's prudent enjoyed if you He's kept it for three years that way and if he just keeps going over three years, he'll make he'll make he's gonna keep progressing Yeah, it's just slower now because he's closer to where he should be body with body weight wise Hey, he's a six-foot.

He said to I could tell he's big bone, too You tell my calves in his ankles said 220, but as the picture he sent flexing I'm like, bro, you're at 240 would be lean. Yeah for you. Maybe that's what I mean He's not he's not far off from where he should be anyways and to be able to have that flexibility has it's like, okay Well, yeah, we could we can turn some that out it all happened, but will it will really make you happy if he was my client?

Well, here's exactly what I would do is I would talk him off the ledge of trying to do many major changes and I'd be like We're just gonna have fun. Yep. We're gonna have fun and we're gonna make this find something for you We're gonna turn this into engaged permanent thing. Yep. Our next caller is Heather from Minnesota. Welcome back Hey fellas, did we have the race? Did it go? Did you do it? I Did not finish I'm not gonna cry Okay, maybe I might cry.

I made it 38 miles and Here's what happens and this is so this is the third time This has happened during a race and you guys are great coaches and we have worked with a lot of athletes So maybe you'll have some insight for me. Um so I just I started off the race really thirsty like just Plowing through water and it was hot and humid but I've trained a lot in hot and humid weather And just drinking drinking lots of water and then I go to pee and I can't pee.

I'm not peeing I have electrolytes. I love LMNT. I love their watermelon salt. It's my favorite so electrolytes water drinking drinking drinking and then Like I just have that feeling like you would have if you had a urinary tract infection like you have to pee But you're not peeing and then by mile. Okay, I'm not gonna cry by mile I stopped to use the restroom and I was peeing blood. And then it took me about a mile to come to my senses to realize my race was over.

So I had to backtrack. So I ended up getting 38 miles and quit the race. This has happened to me in two other races. One race I ended up finishing it because I didn't realize what the issue was. It was the first time. And it was also hot and humid. And that race was 68 miles, it was 100K, so somewhere around in there. And then the other race was the Arrowhead 135, which was minus 20 degrees. So nothing at all to do with hot and humidity.

And that one ultimately I also stopped at mile 38. So I don't know what's going on. I went to the doctor yesterday and tested for UTI. It was negative, same as the last two times. This is a new doctor and she's like, well, I think we should do an ultrasound on your kidneys and your bladder to see what's going on, to see if there's something structurally, maybe a cyst or kidney stones. I don't know, just going to start crossing things off the list to figure out what's going on here.

Because I feel like it's not probably just a ultra running issue. This could be something that maybe it's just a larger medical issue overall. Heather, has this ever happened to you when not doing a race? It's never happened in training. And that's really interesting because I've had some juicy training this summer. I went out to Colorado and climbed a couple of 14ers. One was a nine hour day and it was really hot. Like you get to the peak and you're still in your sports bra because it was hot.

Very strenuous, no problems at all. I've had other races, and this is all within the last two years, I've had other races within the last two years where I've not had problems. So I don't know, I'm like, is it something I'm eating? Is it something I'm drinking? Is it something I'm doing on a race day that I'm not doing in training? Kind of just making a list of all the things and going to just start crossing them off. Do they test your CK levels when you're post-training to see if they're really elevated?

CK, what's that? It's a marker of muscle damage. So if it's too high, they'll give you fluids and sometimes dialysis. So I don't know if you've ever... When you get your blood test, they typically will test that. And so I would look at markers of muscle damage and see if anything's going on there. In extreme cases, it can show up as blood. I like that you're doing the ultrasound to see if there's anything structural. One other thing too, Heather, and you don't have to answer this if you don't want to, because obviously you're getting teared up because you had this goal, weren't able to do it.

What does that say to you about your identity when something like that happens? Because obviously it's attached to something and you didn't do it and it's very painful. What is that telling you about you? I think it's a couple of things. When you... I train really hard. I get up early in the morning to train. I've got two teenagers that are 17 and 15. So I try not to let my crazy hobby interfere with their lives. And so I had four friends waiting for me in a camper that they were going to pace me for this.

So I feel like I let them down and deprive them of a little bit of adventure. I think for me, it's always the adventure of it. It's not necessarily... I love training. I love picking out different adventures to make it a part of my overall training plan. And so I think as long as I can have adventure in my life and go on fun camping trips and backpacking trips and hiking trips, if the doctors come back and are like, well, you're done doing ultramarathons. It's just not in the picture.

I'll find a way to, I think, get those same feelings because for me, it's a lot about camaraderie. My girlfriends and I, kind of how you guys sit and talk with one another. We have those same conversations at 8.30 in the morning. We solve all the world's problems. We get together. We go to the gym together. We go on adventures together. It's those friendships that I have built with those girlfriends. So I think there are other ways to go about having those same feels. It's just disappointing.

Of course, because the training, the adventure, it's all great, but there's something about the competition that I'm trying to point to a little bit. You can get all those things without that. You can get the adventure. You can get the camaraderie. You can get the outdoors. You can get all of that and not do ultramarathon. I've been in sports my whole life. I love to compete. I like to do hard things. I can't imagine not participating in a sport. I just enjoy it. I enjoy the camaraderie.

Of course. I enjoy, yeah. Of course. This is the hard part of tying your identity to something that at some point eventually will stop. I mean, you still can do it, but in 20 years you're not going to be able to do it because that's just how it works. The suggestion I have for you, and forgive me if this is too forward, but someone like you who's done these things and does a good job at them, and you're tougher than 99% of the people in the world for doing them, a sports psychologist, I think, would be really beneficial for you.

It could help you compete. It actually could help you compete. This is what sports psychologists work with. Part of it is that identity in this thing, and if it doesn't go the way I anticipated, I'm devastated. Even though I still train, even though I get to do all these things, even though I'm still... It's like, what is it about this that devastates me so much? By the way, I can identify with some of this, and I've worked with people where this has been a real struggle.

Sports psychologists, they do a phenomenal job, and it could make this more enjoyable for you. Sure. Yeah. I've spoke with a sports psychologist before, because I had mentioned the winter ultra-marathons. That's kind of my jam. I love them. Yeah. We put on a clinic every winter for just women, and she's a sports psychologist, and she comes and she talks to us about all sorts of things. Every year, it's been a different topic. I don't know that ultra-racing is my identity, though. I don't think I want to put myself in that box, because there's so many other things.

If I were to say what's my identity, probably being a mom is number one. I think I had mentioned in my email, I don't have a winter race signed up this year for the first time in six years. I'm not doing a winter race. My son is 17. He's going to be 18. He's graduating this year, and I don't have that mental bandwidth to be able to focus on a race plan and be 1,000% present for him in his senior year as he's looking at colleges and scholarships and all of the things.

I don't know that I want to put myself in just that box. I think I'd put myself in the adventure box first. That's good. Yeah. That's good. I was just going to say that. I did a little bit of coaching in college. I played rugby for UMD, and so I did a little bit of post-college. I did do a little bit of coaching, but maybe when my kids are both out of the household, that's something that I would consider. I do love sports. I participate in a wide variety of sports and always have my whole life.

I love watching sports. I think coaching would be a lot of fun. I think you'd make an excellent coach. I think a one-on-one coach, you'd do really well, too. There's a lot of young ladies out there that want to be able to do what you do that could use someone with your experience for sure. As far as training is concerned, with all of the other stuff that you do, the 15 protocol, all the 15 programs are perfect for you. I'm really curious to see what the ultrasounds say about your kidneys because that is a very interesting thing that happens.

What's interesting to me is I almost want to connect it to the damage from training, but what's weird is it doesn't happen during your training. It only happens during competition. It's either crazy timing or there's a connection to the training. I don't know. I've tossed around a thousand different ideas really in my head, and my girlfriends, too, who train with me and who go on adventures with me. Maybe nerves, the race morning. Maybe I'm just having coffee and need to focus on put the coffee down, just have water.

Maybe there's something with electrolytes and coffee and irritating my bladder right away. When I first went to the doctor after it happened in that 100K, they called it slapping bladder, which slapping bladder sounds like a 90s alternative rock band. Slapping bladder. It made me laugh. I had finished that race, but I really did not feel good for several days. I'm not buying slapping bladder. I'm not. Yeah, because I feel like that would happen. Correct me if I'm wrong. That's from the constant jarring motion that can cause.

How much rest leading up to the competition? The week before, do you shut it down completely? I do. I do shut it down. I'll do a little light jog and just do some pickups. The most I'll do, I think that week, was 45 minutes at a 13-minute mile pace on a pretty flat trail. That's easy, easy for you. I really shut it down. I did not do any of the 15-minute workouts that week. My last one, I think, was that Friday before. I definitely love day seven with just the mobility, with the landmine, and then the legs, and then the walking, like good morning sunshines or whatever they're called.

I mean, fitting that in is nothing. I'm very, very curious to see what the ultrasound says, because it could be kidney, it could be the tubes that connect to the urinary tract. There could be something structurally there, which I'm also kind of pointing in that direction. Muscle damage is the other one, but that's weird because it doesn't happen when you're training really hard outside of competition, which is really strange. You would typically see it ... You would have seen it at least once. That's my guess.

I'm really interested to see what the ultrasound shows. Me too. Fingers crossed that it's ... I don't know. It's a silly hobby of mine, ultra running, and if I have to stop doing it, so be it. I'll figure out something else in life, just adventures. I don't know. We'll see where things go. Are your friends running with you, or are they just ... They're training supporting you, or is it like ... I have a couple of other crazy friends that also do the 100s, and then I have some friends that just enjoy running.

We call ourselves the Damn Damn Dames because we meet from a dam, and we meet at 5.30 in the morning, and they're just the best bunch of girlfriends a girl could ever ask for. They're just support you through highs and lows, running, not running. Several of us have kids the same age. We're just ... The bond that you build with your friends doing a support is so different and so special, and I just ... I'm the luckiest. I keep feeling like I've got to push this, but I think you would make such a great coach, Heather.

I know. Yeah. I think you would get more- Oh, wow. You'd pour yourself into somebody else. Yeah, and I think you would get so much out of coaching someone else with all the knowledge and expertise and wisdom you have around it. You would still train and do your own training, but I think you would make a phenomenal coach. You just take one person. Wow. Thank you. Yeah, think about it. Think about it. Yeah. I know it brings so much joy to ... I know it did for me, and I know people that have done this who were ...

It's a great transition, too, to stepping from athlete to coach. It's a big deal. Yeah. It's a new identity shift, but it really helps, I think, with that, creating that and then pouring it into somebody else and seeing them thrive in it. Yeah. I've always said my A goal is to be able to sit in a canoe when I'm 80 years old and go into the Boundary Waters on a canoe camping trip, and so if ever my racing were to interfere with that A goal of sitting in a canoe when I'm 80 with hopefully some grandchildren ...

I'm shocked at the suggestion of coaching, but I really love it. I think that would be a great way to continue in a sport that I love. I think if you put yourself out in that community, you would have a bunch of young ladies who would look at someone like you who's done it a bunch of times, and they'd be like, please coach me. I would hire you. It would be fun. I would hire you. Wow. The slap ... I was going to come up with a name for you guys.

Slap Ladder. Slap Ladder. The Bladder Slappers. The Bladder Slappers, yeah. Anyway, if you could keep us posted on what the ultrasounds show, because I'm very curious. I would do that. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much for the program. The workload was just perfect, and I really enjoy it. The Turkish get-ups, you can have them. I absolutely hated the Turkish get-ups. It's a bit of a grind, yeah. Yeah. But everything else. I'm on phase two. I'm on the second week, I think, is where I'm at right now.

Let me send you another one. Let me send you another Mass 15. We gave you performance, right? Yeah. Well, I was thinking, I think I wrote in the email that I'm not planning on any racing, and I'm really honest. not planning on any mileage more than 20 miles a week. And I do miss a little bit of my girlfriend time in the gym. And so if you think there would be something that I could still do 20 miles, but get like an hour in the gym with my girlfriend.

Just keep in mind, 20 miles is still a decent amount of running. I know that sounds like nothing to you. But that... I think I ran 200. I think I ran 20 miles between 2010 and now. So MASS 15 is a great protocol for you. I like MASS 15 symmetry. So let me send that to you. Okay. Oh, wow. Okay. Awesome. You got it. Keep us posted. Well, I'll keep working through this. And thank you guys so much. I love your podcast. Thank you. And I'm a devout listener.

And I'll keep you posted. Thank you. Appreciate you, Heather. Thanks, Heather. All right. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye. I mean, she's good at what she does. Yes. You could say that. Better than most people. And then to see that, oh, I got to stop. And so there is an identity aspect of it. Oh, God. Of course. I struggle with... It's huge. I know. Because I don't have the time to build a relationship because the normal me has... I mean, do we really need the doctor to let us know?

Yeah. Do we really need the doctor to let us know whether we should stop this or not? Yeah. Your body's talking to you. Yeah, no. This isn't one time. I don't give a shit what he says. It's time to hang up the hundred miles. And I don't have the relationship with her to be able to speak to her that bluntly. But if you can't see that, and you have a problem with that still, you absolutely have identified as this... It's hard to let go, man. Yeah.

Because you can build relationships. You can do hikes. You can explore the outdoors. There are many very healthy ways to go after and pursue all those things. And let me be very clear. Running hundred miles are not healthy. There's nothing healthy about it. It's extreme. Nothing healthy about it. It's bad for your joints. It's bad for your kidneys. It's stressful on the body. It's extreme. It's extremely extreme. Yeah. Extreme in any physical pursuit. I mean... There's no longevity in it. And it's... Exactly. And it's crazy enough to try and do it one time to say you did it.

I know. To make that a thing you do on a regular is very unhealthy. Of course. And if you say your ultimate goal is canoeing with your grandchildren in your 80s, that is not the route to go. That's right. It is not. And so if you work backwards from that, because I love that goal, I love the idea of identifying as a mother first, and my main goal is to be 80 and canoeing, then this is not the approach. There is a far better approach to this.

And in fact, that's the fastest way to probably not be able to do that. No. 100%. Which is why I was pushing her to go to... Yeah. Because you can't just take something away. Yeah. No, of course. Like that. Well, that's why I couldn't say in the community... I would not say that to her... Right. ...without us coaching with each other for a long time. Yeah. But if she coached somebody... Yeah, no. If she coached a group of young women... I think it's great advice. Oh, my God.

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