Why Fitness Gimmicks Keep Fooling You And What Actually Works | Mind Pump 2833

Key Takeaway

Stop chasing fitness gimmicks like EMS suits or complex machines. The basics—barbell, dumbbells, bodyweight exercises, proper form, and progressive overload—have worked for decades and always will. Instead of spending hundreds on the latest equipment trend, invest that money in a good coach who can teach you fundamentals and proper programming. Even meeting with a qualified trainer once a month for $100 will deliver more results than any gimmicky device ever could.

Episode Overview

This episode discusses the recurring problem of fitness gimmicks and trendy equipment that promise revolutionary results but rarely deliver. The hosts critique everything from historical products like the Thigh Master to modern trends like EMS (electrical muscle stimulation) suits and elaborate machines. They emphasize that traditional strength training with basic equipment—barbells, dumbbells, and bodyweight exercises—combined with good coaching, proper nutrition, and consistency will always outperform expensive gimmicks. The conversation also touches on artificial sweeteners, particularly erythritol's potential health risks, and briefly mentions emerging treatments for sleep apnea.

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Here's Here's something that is guaranteed to be a total stupid waste of time. The latest fitness gimmick. They come up every year. Listen, don't pay attention to them. They never work. They never have. Again, it's a huge waste of time and money. The basics, they always work. You know what the problem with that is, how how how the gimmicks, the gimmicks, the gimmicks, they do work. They do work. That's why they Well, they work. They do something something something or else they wouldn't they wouldn't get popular.

For example, thigh master. thigh master. thigh master. I mean, it worked. It works. It builds muscle. It work. You can build build muscle. You don't You don't think you build muscle on thigh master? Did you ever get a thigh master? Like build muscle, bro. The thigh master, but you have to like like like I mean, you're not building a lot, bro. It's I bet I bet a couple of you would have a hard time doing with the thigh master. Yeah. You didn't remember those? remember those?

remember those? They weren't easy. For people don't people who are too young to remember this. By the way, this is the number one selling piece of exercise equipment of all time. It's a spring. spring. spring. I think it's I think uh shake weight pasted it now. The shake. Okay. See, good example. Shake. Come on. Uh actually, look it up, Doug. Say what's the number one. Bought that ironically. You know, I guarantee. No, you're right. You're right. It turned Oh, I wouldn't be be surprised if Thigh Master turned into No.

Thigh master was a legit phenomenon. I remember I'd go to my aunt's house. I go to my cousin's house. Everybody had one. Yeah. one. Yeah. one. Yeah. And it was a spring you put between your knees and you would just squeeze it. Yeah. And uh that's it's gonna slim your thighs. No, it did nothing. It sold, Doug. That's not true. You can't say it did. You can't say it did nothing. It would build a little bit. bit. bit. Yeah. How much? Just look up how much did the thigh master Well, here's my point.

point. point. I'll tell you where every year. And by the way, the way, the way, minimal if any. Let's just say what you see often because we've been doing this long enough is I see this I see fitness gimmicks get recycled. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you'll see something pop up like a good example is the belt that you wear that flexes your abs. Uh the first one to come out of that was like in the 50s or 60s. or 60s. or 60s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um and every year it comes out.

It's like do it's like doing a thousand crutches while you're at your desk, you know, type of deal. And it's a waste of time. What it works well for is making money. That's for sure. If you want to make a lot of money selling fitness equipment, come up with some weird gimmick. Um and you're more likely to be successful, I hate to say it, than selling something. Well, you know what's You know what's hot? What's hot right now in regards to that is the the new EMS machines.

Oh, I've seen it. This is like I always know when something's hot and trendy when my nonfitness space people reach out to me. Hey, I was thinking about paying for this session. Like I want to do something that's like not your advice that looks cool. I know. I know. I know. By the way, the thigh master generated $300 million in revenue in 1990. 300 300 300 10 to 15 million units. Okay. Wow. What's shake weight at? Wow. 300 million, dude. For a spring. It's just It's just It's just in 1990.

That's like who invented it. Who's that guy? The thigh master. I don't know. But what's her name from company? Suzanne Summers. Suzanne Summers. Suzanne Summers. I don't know. She promoted it. She probably like I mean made some royalties off of it. Let's see what the shake weight. shake weight. shake weight. Oh wow. Suzanne Summers and her husband actually bought it, acquired 100% of the ownership of the product. I wonder at what point. what point. what point. Wow. Wow. Wow. Cuz he had Chuck Norris with his total gym, but that actually had, you know, a little bit of validity.

Yeah, but those were all people that represented the the product, not actually invented the product. Yeah. Yeah. He was paid he was paid to do that, although Suzanne Summers bought it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, See, See, she made 300 million herself from it. Wow. Wow. Wow. See how many shake weights have been sold? sold? sold? Good for her. Um, how many units I guess would say um that the shake weight sold? I'm very interested in that. Uh, 50 million. Oh, not even close. Not even close.

Wow. Well, I mean, would you you count the schle as one of those, right? because like the Kardashians brought those, resurrected that whole thing, but it wasn't like a patented piece of gimmicky exercise equipment. It was a thing you wore. True. True. True. Um, but okay, so back to what you're saying. So EMS EMS is old science. So the EMS thing is electrical muscle stimulation. So when you uh when you put an electrode on a muscle and send a current through it, it'll cause the muscle to contract, right?

right? right? And so the the by the way, this science has been around forever. Um, in fact, I remember uh I believe Bruce Lee used uh stuff like this uh back when he was working out. working out. working out. And so it does it makes a muscle contract. And so the thought is, well, if I can put it on and have it contract a muscle, it's going to do something, right? right? right? And what we find in the data, because they've been around for a long time, is there's some benefit for uh reducing a certain amount of muscle atrophy with injury.

injury. injury. Yeah. This is why it's made it way into physical therapy. physical therapy. physical therapy. Physical therapist. Physical therapist. Physical therapist. Yeah. Physical therapists still use it. It's still I mean I have I have a I have one at my house um when rehabbing something that's an injury or like that. So it makes sense for something like that to reduce atrophy. Um but that's not what's popular right now. What's popular level? Yeah. So what's popular now is the which I think is it's it's comical.

You're either wearing this ridiculous suit or you bring in the whole like you roll in the whole machine and attach it to you with wires and everything like that. And there's there's these dudes that are working out now in the gym with it attached to them or like I said, they have these bodysuits and the this the science that they sell it with is that the and we've talked about this before. Um we in fact we've used uh this science to to uh refer to how good an Olympic lifter can activate uh their muscles.

That's what they're they So, a a Olympic lifter is known to be able to tap into like 90% of their capacity, their work capacity or whatever, muscle recruitment, right? The average person when you go do it, the average person when they bench press, uh, they only get about 60%. There's limiters. There's limiters. There's limiters. They only get about 6%. They don't. And so the the science behind these and what they're what they're showing is that you stick these things on your chest, this person who can only get 60% of muscle fiber recruitment on their chest while they do a bench press and they're recruiting 90%.

recruiting 90%. recruiting 90%. So what they're doing is they're conflating two different types of studies. So the one that you're re uh referring to is your total force generation. generation. generation. So under duress uh you know a mo a car flips over, kid is trapped underneath it, mom is trying to move the car, suddenly she can and it overrides your That's different than muscle fiber recruitment. Muscle fiber recruitment, uh, when you train in in proximity to failure, you're activating, uh, most of the muscle fibers. Yeah, it's force generation.

So, they're conflating two studies. Well, that was me who's conflating that. That's not them who's conflating. No, they were they were saying muscle fiber recruitment is what they were saying. No, anybody who works out, if you train uh with a certain level of intensity, you're going to recruit. the closer you get to heavy load or a high intensity, the more muscle fibers uh you're going to recruit. So, in other words, and this is the part where I think it's so stupid and like when I see people doing this, this is like uh every rep trying to train to failure.

failure. failure. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. That's what they're here's what they'll say because I've had people try to sell it to me and they'll I'll they'll tell me about it and I'm like first off uh it's ridiculously inconvenient. I don't see how can anybody could do this anywhere. Oh, he's going to adhere to that for more than just a few novel experiences, experiences, experiences, right? Oh, you're going to go sign up at a class because the class has this expensive equipment. How much is it going to cost you?

Take that money and invest it in a good coach. Way better return. Way better return in progress. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, it doesn't produce. Now, I could see potential benefit for an advanced athlete for very specific applications with the right coaching and the right measurements. Uh, maybe. Uh I have yet to see uh anybody put this together. Yeah. I'm trying to think where I would even So it got popular like always in the bodybuilder space first. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, because what they do is they say again this person told me they said uh well you should try it.

This is like how people try to sell me Pilates or bar. Well, why don't you try it? It's really hard. hard. hard. Yeah. It'll make me sore. So what? Yeah, you're it's hard. I could do I could we could do uh what was that drumstick class we took or whatever. I got sore from that. But dumb enough to return. I told you to never talk about that. She had a drum in there, you know, and I was dying. I was burning. It was It was so hard.

You know what I'm saying? Like, does it mean I built more muscle, burn more body fat? Perceived difficulty doesn't necessarily translate um translate um translate um doesn't it doesn't at all. That's silly. But but all the gimmicks that keep coming out um what they're doing is they're taking people away uh from what actually works. This is the part this is the part that gets me a bit frustrated. frustrated. frustrated. Maps, push, pull, legs, ppl. You asked for it, you got it. By the way, there's two versions of this program.

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We also include a supplement schedule guide, which will be free with this program. Again, you can get all of that included 40% off mapspl.com. The code is PPPL. Well, I also So, the point I would argue, Sal, is is because we we we tend to advocate for leaving two in the tank anyways and not training to failure anyways. Close enough. So, when I think about all of my clients that I trained all these years, uh the ones that didn't get the results, the ones that never saw their goal, it wasn't uh for a lack of intensity in their workout.

It wasn't because it was like, "Oh man, if I could have just got them to push harder in their workout, we would have got the results." results." results." It was adherence to the diet and consistency and everything else like that. They could have wor in fact those same clients that didn't see the results I could have got them to work out with half the intensity if they could have got the other stuff right and was consistent they would have seen all the results and so it's not like this is the answer that is going to solve most people that so and to your point okay if anyone's going to mess with this my pro bodybuilder friends that are that are that are I say astronauts and that's about it astronauts because of the lack of resistance resistance resistance lack of resistance like added okay muscle stimul muscle stimul muscle stimul Okay, Okay, Okay, in zero gravity and that's that's where I draw the line.

Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Okay, I'll put behind that. I'll tell you this much. Okay, you have uh occlusion training. training. training. Occlusion training has actual data supporting it. It does activate muscle fibers with way lighter load. We know this. Uh is it even in the category of staples or things we would use with clients on a even semi-regular basis? No. No. No. No. So novel. In fact, I probably would never use it with a client and that has data supporting it because it's it's kind of gimmicky.

There's some applications for rehab. rehab. rehab. Um, and again, the super advanced bodybuilder who wants to throw in a little bit of novelty maybe, you know, type of deal, but uh nothing is going to ever replace uh just traditional strength training with resistance, eating a good diet, having good sleep. Um, unless there's some radical, I don't know, gene gene therapy or some kind of medical intervention. And I know GLPs have made a big impact when it comes to weight loss just for suppressing appetite, but like exercise gimmicks, uh, exercise equipment, that kind of stuff.

Even when you go to the gym, I'll tell you what, there's some awesome exercise equipment that's out there. Awesome exercise machines. And the science that goes into those are remarkable. There's a whole there's a company, I can't remember the brand, it's out of Italy. They call them the Ferrari, uh, of course, because they're from Italy, but the Ferrari of machines. I can't remember the name of it. Maybe Doug, you can look it up. But they're like really cool looking machines. Biomechanics are amazing. You're not talking about the ones that Transcend had.

Transcend had. Transcend had. I believe they use them as well. I think they might have used them as well. Well, I know that the reason why they were called the they they actually use the same manufacturer does the leather in Ferrari off for the leather on their hand stitch. hand stitch. hand stitch. Yeah. So, it's not Techno uh Panata. Panata. I've seen some equipment. Uh in fact, if you click there, the equipment looks looks looks That is them. That Okay. Some of their equipment looks incredible.

Uh incredible. Uh incredible. Uh is it like hammer strength or what? What's the title? It's like another level. Yes. Now, would I would any of that Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, you saw it. I did. I wasn't there. No. Check it out. You didn't You didn't go to the transcend thing. transcend thing. transcend thing. No, it was just you and me, Adam. Oh, it was just you and I that went there. Oh, these two. Why weren't they with us? Where were you guys? Because it was negotiation stuff.

That's your thing. What are we going to do? That was Oh, that's what that was. You were just eye candy. Oh, that was the contract thing. Oh, they didn't finish paying. We'll get to that. Stop it. But so I still still still my point is you could take some of the best machines that are out there and could any one machine replace a barbell dumbbells? No. dumbbells? No. dumbbells? No. No, they couldn't. Uh just our boy right there. Just basic uh Is that Phil Heath? Uh Uh Uh that was Phil Heath on the front.

Was it really? really? really? Yeah. Go back. They've got really interesting equipment, but my point is uh the gimmick stuff is just And this equipment is super expensive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's still easy. Yeah. So, it just, you know, it comes out every year. It comes out every year. There's a new piece of exercise equipment. The new I remember one we went to, went to, went to, what was the convention? I know what you're talking about. The one rep thing that Yeah. So, it was a machine.

That's what it was. It was a machine that you like imagine it's a bench press. Push as hard as you can and the machine adjusts its resistance to give you one max out rep. Yeah. And so, and they're like you could get a full three contractions. So you it like emphasizes the isometric portion and the eccentric and it like loads and like one rep is like doing 50 reps in 10 sets all based because of intensity. intensity. intensity. Yeah. Yeah. Dave Asprey was all about Dave Aspree is like yeah big big proponent of that.

It doesn't it doesn't work that way. None of it works that way. And if people took the money that they spent on these types of things and just hired a good coach. I know. Yeah. Everybody's looking for the novel like quick answer. Well, that's why I I wanted to bring it up because like I said, it's reached general pop when it when it was my I seen it a long time ago. I think I brought it up over a year or two ago on the podcast when I saw my bodybuilder friends and people doing it.

I was just like, "Oh, this is the new thing. That's it's hilar I thought it was hilarious. They're doing thing, but it's like I mean, I'm not going to criticize bodybuilder guys that are doing everything." Yeah. It's like why not, you know, why not do this novel thing that's kind of cool or whatever like that. So, it is what it is. But the average person who's trying to get in shape, sculpt their butt a little bit more, lose two inches on their waist is like this, like you're going to suit up in this stupid inconsistent to begin with, stupid this thing and shock the [ __ ] out of yourself so you're sore for two weeks.

Like this is that's the dumbest idea I' ever heard of. In fact, I'll I'll say this. I'll say this because there's a belief around personal training that you have to and yes, ideally you'd want to work with a trainer weekly, trainer weekly, trainer weekly, but would you get benefit could you get benefit from training with a trainer once a month? Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. Yes. And it's more valuable than anything else. Guidance. A really good one for sure. Yeah. If if you spend $100, because the typical trainer will charge anywhere between 60 to 120 bucks an hour.

So let's say you spend a h 100red bucks once a month, meet with a trainer. There is nothing else you could spend 100 bucks a month on that will come close to the value you're going to get from just a good a coach. And what's that coach going to use? A good coach, traditional basics. They understand workout programming. They know how to manipulate it for you. Um, and when you follow a good program, here's the thing. When you follow a good fitness program, fitness program, fitness program, most of the time it doesn't feel like you're going to die.

Most of the time, if it's hard, you feel good. And occasionally, you have those workouts where you feel like you're going to die. But it's not the other way around, which is what people I think that's how they judge. I mean, yeah. Fitness equipment. Our whole concier program is built off of that exact philosophy is this idea that you know ju even just meeting with a coach once a month month month with them even virtually is significantly more valuable than 90% of all this gimmicky stuff that you can do out there because of the guidance and and information and knowledge that you're getting every time you get on get on a call with them.

So that's right. that's right. that's right. Yeah. I don't know. When was the last time you guys got anything that was fitnessy fitness gimmicky that you used? Oh my god. Like us bought it personally? Have we ever have you ever bought a gimmicky fitness thing? fitness thing? fitness thing? I've been given a lot of uh weird stuff, you know, you know, you know, like um let's see, like that one door frame like foam roll thing. And thing. And thing. And yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean if it's it's like novel cuz then you don't have to lay down, but it's like you can kind of do it in your You talk about that.

Oh, well, we had that one that that that company wanted to work with us gave us that that plastic one that was like you stick your arm in it and stuff like that. Yeah, that too. Um, those are all I'm thinking the vibrating ones like Yeah, those are cool. Those are all given to us though. Yeah, I know. I have none of us have bought any. any. any. I'll tell you, I've used a couple and they're not even gimmicky cuz they've stood the test of time.

What's that? What's that? What's that? I used uh um the shoulder uh what's it called? Shoulder horn, I think it was for rotator cuff exercises. Yes. That's been around for decades and it's actually pretty it's not the best thing you could do for shoulder stability, but it's a great uh it was a decent Oh, the preacher girl ones are kind of cool. cool. cool. The preacher Oh, yeah. Those are Is that pretty cool? Arm blaster. Arm blaster. That's been around since the 60s. That's kind of cool.

Yeah, that's a one that like you you wrap it around your neck. Yeah. And then it hangs over you and it keeps your elbows in a locked position like that. That's right. Those are cool. That's right. The wrist roller where you to work your forearms. That's been around for decades. I was into the the rope battle conditioning for a minute. I was into that. That that. That that. That I could see that for stamina, but I liked it. I honestly like and it just because of like help your flabby arms.

I had that whole turkey neck thing going and I was like really like insecure about it. about it. about it. I That's a good call. I I I That's a good call. I I did the I mean that was boot camp era, right? Yeah. right? Yeah. right? Yeah. And that was the only reason why Did you bring ropes to the park? Yes. Yes. Yes. Wow. Wow. Wow. That's the reason why it was cool is because it was an easy tool you could carry. I could buy four of them and carry them in my little wagon to a camp.

camp. camp. Camps are just about keeping people busy. It's about keeping people busy. And what is the what's the And what is the what's the smallest equipment that you can bring with you that is hard to do? That's that's the science behind it. Science dude. Science dude. Science dude. This is what you need to do. Make it hard somehow. You need cones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A rope. What else you need? A kettle bell, bell, bell, TRX. TRX. TRX. A T your ropes. ropes. ropes. A whole start a business right there.

I think that's most of what I had right there. there. there. Yeah. Bands. Yeah. Bands. Yeah. Bands. Bands. And some bands. You're done. Yeah. And then you got yourself like a sevenstation little sevenstation little sevenstation little If you get weights, you got to be kind of careful. of careful. of careful. Well, that's that's wild for doing that. If you get dumbbells in a boot camp, that's a expensive. Yeah, that's a lot of That's a lot of unloading and loading, too. You don't do that. Maybe a kettle bell or two.

You know what I'm saying? For Did you have to pay I just had a question. Did you ever have to pay the parks? parks? parks? I Yeah, I had a I had to get a permit. You did, huh? Yeah, you had to get a permit. I just kept moving park to park. That's right. That's right. That's right. So, I was a little more established. There was like Okay. Seriously, I'm just running a little bit more legitimate here, guys. This is your five ladies. You're running You're running You're running like oneonone.

like oneonone. like oneonone. You did it for for a hot second. Well, I had trainer underneath me and everything doing I mean, I had multiple camps running and What was the name of it? Uh, we love to hate Adam Fitness. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why' you Why do you like that? What's up with that name? That's what my clients used to say that. We just love to hate Adam. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They used to say that. And so that was like the it just you're so likable.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hate you. Says the guy who never says that. that. that. I was just being so tested. Anyway. Yeah. That's crazy. All right. I got a study for you guys. Uh that's interesting. Do you guys know what ureiththriol is? Uri ureiththrl. Uthrl. Do you know what that is? Heard of it. So this is a it's an organic uh sugar alcohol. It's got almost no impact on blood sugar. Uh, is it either low or no calories? Used as a sweetener. It's used as a sweetener and it's often used as a sweetener in like keto, whatever.

Okay. whatever. Okay. whatever. Okay. Or sugar-free products that um or or you So, you don't get any like insulin spike or any or any or any it has almost negligible effect on insulin. Um, it's super low calorie and and because it's not artificial, you could say something's natural and uh no sugar, right? Okay. There's a problem with it though. Wow. It's been connected to blood clots. Oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. Yeah. In fact, I pulled up some some some studies are going around. That's not good.

No, there's some interesting studies that are uh popping up about this. So, in 2023, in 2023, in 2023, um they looked up uh they looked up they did observational data from over 4,000 patients. Higher circulating ithrl levels were associated with an increased risk of major adverse cardio cardiovascular events including heart attack, stroke, and death. So, they said, let's look at the mechanisms. Is it just an like a random association or is it actually causing this? At physiological concentrations, ureiththrl enhanced platelet reactivity and accelerated thrombosis formation.

This was in a mouse model and in vitro. So then they did a small pilot intervention of eight healthy volunteers and they showed that ingesting ureiththrl the amount that you would find in a processed food caused a massive and sustained rise in plas plasma ureiththrl which you would expect high enough to trigger the platelet changes that would seen in lab tests. So then they did a follow-up human intervention study um and with this study they did it was a randomized crossover parallel design with healthy volunteers.

they consumed a drink with 30 grams of ureiththrl which is what you'll find like a sugar-free soda or similar product or 30 uh grams of glucose. So comparing the two ureiththrl of course you consume that you see it rise in blood plasma in every single subject platelet aggregation responses increased significantly to multiple agonists at various doses. Platelets also showed enhanced release of granular markers. So, it it very well may be one of those quote unquote natural uh you know, sugar-free sweeteners. That's not good. Now, is that partly because is it like we do with anything else?

Even though it's natural um just like cane sugar is, we concentrate the hell out of it. And so, so, so, probably I don't know where you would consume it naturally. Where do you find urethrone? urethrone? urethrone? I have no idea. What plant? But this is this is this sucks because people consume these products. If if somebody's consuming a product that is sweetened with ureiththrl, it's probably because they're health conscious. Like you're not seeking that out unless you're trying to avoid sugar, lower calories, improve your health.

Um and what they're finding is that it's um that it might actually be really bad for you. you. you. Small amounts in fruit. So yeah, they concentrate the hell out. See, that's God. Yeah. So, I know. Kind of crazy, right? Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I know. Just made everybody sad. My sugar-free options. Well, I tell you slimmer. I tell you what. I mean, regular old sugar is better probably better for you most most always in moderation. moderation. moderation. It's one of those things like I know people go sugar-free to to um control their calories.

Stevia seems to be good. Some of the artificial sweeteners have lots and lots of studies uh but I'm not fully convinced. Um, and I do think that if something tastes sweet, there's there's always some kind of an effect, even if it's just behavioral. behavioral. behavioral. Um, which is still an effect, right? So, uh, I don't think it necess Okay. To give you an as a coach, did you ever have like this huge success with clients who were just like, I'm going to go artificially sweetened with everything.

Did that ever solve their problem? No, it didn't get to the root of it. Yeah. Never. Yeah. Never. Yeah. Never. I know. Interesting, right? That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. I know. I know. I Like you said, it sucks because you're you think you're making the healthier choice and you end up making something that's arguably worse for you than just drinking a regular old soda. You know, there's something to be said and we've talked about this before about having something like that that has the sugars in it is it has a natural limiter on it because you know there's calories when there like and I know I'm guilty of this.

this. this. Yeah, you were you did you were a big sugar-free? sugar-free? sugar-free? Yeah, a big Diet Coke drinker. And so you still drink a lot of Diet Coke? Not a lot. I still get them. Um, but I limit. So, like kind of our rule is uh I buy a 12-pack of tw of of uh Diet Coke at the beginning of the month and that's got to last. Are you diet or Coke Zero? Diet Coke. Okay. I don't like Coke Zero. It's too sweet. Wow. Wow.

Wow. The reason why I like Diet Coke over regular Coke regular Coke regular Coke cuz one's aspartane, one's sucralose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think Coke Zero is better for you. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know aspartame is diet. Look it up, Doug. I think I think I think I do the worse one. So, Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I think aspartame only when you smoke cigarettes, you have it, right? it, right? it, right? Huh? Huh? Huh? Yeah. Only 12 cigarettes, too, you know.

Uh, no. So, that's kind of like been my thing is like I'll I'll get a 12-pack at the beginning. That's got to last. Katrina has Diet Coke also. So, it's like the two of us have got, you know, six or so to to last us through the month and then when it's gone, it's gone type of deal. That tends to work really well for me because I do still like it. What which one's which, Doug? Yeah, aspartame is uh is Diet Coke. Zero is a blend of aspartame and uh Ace K.

Oh, I thought it was sucralose. I thought it was too. Sucralose is the big uh fitness supplement sweetener. That's the one you'll find in um artificially sweetened supplements. It's always sucralose. Sucralose Sucralose Sucralose is always what they what they pick. It's in Celsius cuz that's my other my other poison I take. Sucralose, I think. Maybe look that up, Doug. See, that's got to be that one. Yeah, I know. Um I know I read this about ureiththrl because uh back in the day I would point to that one as a better option better option better option uh as a trainer probably 15 years ago was you know when I would talk about natural me.

natural me. natural me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean like you like I was saying though the the the downfall of it is that when what I think is that you can you justify having more and more and more and then I would argue that the behavioral stuff because the coke by itself is normally not that good. It's you want it with something else. You know know know what I found that's interesting is that when that people who consume I find this really interesting. really interesting.

really interesting. People who consume a lot of diet soda begin to prefer its taste. That's me. That's me. That's me. That's That's That's the reason why I drink diet coke. It has nothing to do with the calories. If you Oh yeah. If I have a I won't drink a Coke inside or if I if I have no diet coke and I have a Coke in the refrigerator, I won't and I'm under my calories by a thousand calories. I won't drink the Coke. I don't like it.

It's too sweet. too sweet. too sweet. Regular Coke is too sweet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I like the taste of the the Have you tried You've tried the the what? Coke Zero. No, the real Coke. What? The glass bottles. So, I do like that. I do like Yeah. Mexican Coke. Mexican Coke. Mexican Coke. That's Yeah. That's Yeah. That's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I do like regular. It does taste better. The The other Coke though and Pepsi just I don't I don't like it.

So, yeah. No, I prefer the That's the reason why I like it. It's not It's not a It has nothing to do with dieting. I'm not I'm not choosing it. It's the taste. Yeah. For the like the calorie saving at all. But my point is that because you know it's calorief free, you can easily go, "Oh, I have another one." Oh, especially when you're like a fitness person and you're just trying. Yeah. So, I absolutely have been guilty before of having three in a day. You know what I'm saying?

So, uh, and that's why I've put parameters of, okay, here's my 12 for the month. Like, I can have them all in 12 days in a row or I can like use it judicially when it's like, oh, it's Friday movie night and we're having popcorn and I'll enjoy a diet coke with my popcorn or something like that. Uh, so I got something else too that's interesting. Uh, that I I just read this article. They may have this good news for you, Justin. A pill for sleep apnea.

I was just going to ask you about that. We were just talking on our walk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz like one of those thing I just heard the other day that a lot of um cavities are actually more related to the fact that it's apnea or like your mouth's open when you're sleeping versus you actually just consuming sugar. And I was like, "Oh man." Yeah. Saliva is anti- cavity. So if you have like people who suffer from dry mouth or people have surgery or chemo, let's say from mouth cancer and they don't produce saliva, their cavity rate goes through the roof.

Goes Yeah. through the roof. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. More than sugar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's your This is Look, your mouth microbiome, it will make or break whether or not you get cavities thing. So like in my family, I don't get cavities. I've never had a cavity ever. cavity ever. cavity ever. My sister, she gets she just think about cavities. She gets it for whatever reason. Oh, like that. She gets them easy. She doesn't get them. I get them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but anyway, so there are clinical trials that just came out that they may uh have found a uh medication that stops sleep apnnea.

It's an anti-seizure medication. medication. medication. So, you just got to wait. But, you know what's weird about this? Waited out. Waited out. Waited out. I thought sleep apnnea I didn't realize, and I guess it is. I didn't realize that it's related to muscle control. I thought it was just cuz you're bigger, bigger neck, whatever. tongue. Yeah. But it actually makes sense because because because exercise it exercise it exercise it I I I do know that when I eat gluten, and I know gluten can have effects on some people's central nervous system.

I know people are going to light up the comments, but you can look it up. Um when I have gluten, I'll snore way more. more. more. So, I know there's some kind of an effect, but this anti-seizure medication uh they're finding uh had a a really positive effect. positive effect. positive effect. Okay. Now the question is, you want to take an, you know, anti-seizure medication or just wear just wear the dark natural mask or whatever whatever whatever or lose some weight. I feel like I'm joining the dark side if I do that.

Gosh. Well, some people don't even they don't have to be overweight. They just they just snore. just snore. just snore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know gaining weight makes it worse, but but but that's it's only that's when I feel like it when I if I will is if I'm if I'm overweight. If I'm down weight, I don't I don't seem to have any issues like that or or I should take that back. It allergy season can get me sometimes too if I'm really congested up here or sick like that that can uh that will get me.

Do you do you every night? Are you an sore? I I used to justify cuz I'd sleep on my side and and Courtney was like, "Yeah, you don't really snore if you're on your side." But then when I roll and I'm on my back, it's bad. Like it just Do you wake you ever wake yourself up snoring? snoring? snoring? I have before and it's The only time that happens is when I'm like on the couch and we're watching something, I'm just out cuz I do that a lot lately.

You have a bigger dude. You're exhausted. All the labor, dude. You got a second job right now. I do, bro. Are you doing more digging at home? Yeah, but I'm finally kind of like I So, I have a tractor now, which is, you know, a blessing. Huge blessing. A buddy. buddy. buddy. Are you driving it? He's He's like Yeah. He showed me. I It was cool cuz he was like, you know, every dude when you see a big uh piece of equipment, it's like you're a little kid again.

Yeah. like so yeah he he showed me all the levers and whatnot and I'm out there like you know digging and using yeah using the bucket. So yeah, we just started kind of finally making progress cuz dude, me by by myself and then you know and Courtney, it's so funny cuz like um these contractors will come by the house and like Courtney's there and she's talking about how much digging she does and like she'll point to the digging, but they assume it's all the digging and then I meet them and you make your wife.

What are you doing? Like they all think she did all that herself. I'm like no, dude. But anyways, that you're like, "She did that." Yeah, she did this. But I let her take credit. But anyways, um we've been doing a lot. We've been doing a lot of of digging and and and chopping and I'm tired. I ever tell you guys my tractor story. I told you my tractor story, right? story, right? story, right? Yeah. Tell it again. You lost control. It was a long time ago, huh?

Did we talk about it on here? Oh, yeah. Long time ago. Oh, you did? Yeah. Real long. You like lost control, right? Yeah. So, I was I was uh Let's see here. I'm I had just got the job there. So, I'm I'm I'm 16 or 17. It's early early in the job because it's the in the early in the job because it's the first time I ever because I ended up driving it a lot, but it was the first time I ever driven a tractor at all.

And my boss uh teaches me and it's a so I got a front loader and then we have a big tractor that's hooked to a huge trailer that's got all the fertilizer in it and I'm or I'm loading and and dumping it having a blast. Like I learned all the stuff and I'm like, "Oh, this is cool." there's a big pile and I'm like loading it up and then it's a bunch of wood ash that we we're taking out to fertilize the 100 acres and uh learned how to do that all fine.

Loaded this whole big trailer up and then it's got this old tractor that it that's going to pull it out to the the back and it the way this this ranch is set is it's on it's on the crown of a mountain like this. So, we're on the top of the hill is where the dairy sits and down below in the valley is like the 100 acres of grass and then we have a giant canal that runs down that we you irrigate with. And at and at the very bottom of the of the of the valley where it goes out into the all the the pastures is a huge telephone pole that's been cemented like into the ground that we run all the bob wire fences off where we can run all the gates and stuff.

And so I'm on the top of this. He teaches me how to drive it. I'm having a blast. And then he teaches me how to use the second one. He's like, "Hey, this second one, you're going to drive it all the way out to the back of the pasture." And uh and mind you, he like teaches me and then he goes off. And he's doing his own thing, so I'm by myself this whole time I'm doing this. And uh he's like, "When you when you drive this one, he goes, "It doesn't have brakes, so you just need to keep it in a really low gear." And if you've ever driven a tractor, tractors all have what I call a granny gear, which is like it like crawls.

Yeah. It'll go down a hill slower. Yeah. Oh, yeah. you you can take a tractor down a hill as slow as you want to go basically. And so he's like just keep it in a low gear as you go down the hill and then after you get over the hill then you can shift up and then you can speed up. What could go wrong? Give a kid a track window break. window break. window break. I know. I think back now is like a 40ome year old man cuz he's only in his probably 30s at this time and he's like who gives the keys to like tells a key like no breaks first day you're learning how to do this.

So, I get on there and uh and so like I said, it's it's at the crown of this mountain. So, we're kind of at the top and I've got the trailer behind me and I'm like, "Okay, I put in granular and it's like and I'm not kidding. It's crawling. It's like this." And I'm like, "Oh my god, at this rate it's at this rate I'm going to be an hour before I just get over the crown." So, I've like put it in a little bit higher gear, first gear.

So, just so I get a little bit of speed to get over over the hill. So, I want to get it over the hill to get it down. And then as I get over the crown of the hill, it's picking up a little bit of speed, but I'm still You could walk as fast as it, so I'm not tripping yet. And it keeps going. And then as it starts to start to pick up a little bit of speed, I go to downshift it. Oh no, you can't get it in.

So I go to downshift it into the granny gear. And it neutral. And so yeah, it's in neutral right now. And I'm trying to get it down in the granny gear with the clutch in. And I just keeps kicking it out and it's slowly starting to pick up speed. And I'm panicking trying to get it into the granny gear, not not realizing I probably should just put it into first or a lower gear. And so then now I'm realizing I can't get in there. So then I'm trying to put in the next gear and I can't get it in first gear because it's too much speed.

So at this point, this thing just now is just I mean I got a ton of wood ash behind me. behind me. behind me. Oh no, dude. That's pushing this thing. I get so much speed coming down this hill. My front two tires are bouncing off of that. So, I'm like now at this point there's no gear and I got this big steering wheel and the front tires are like are bouncing and I'm like and I'm heading down this hill and I told you there's a huge canal and there's like a little a little bridge so a little bridge that goes over it that's no wider than I don't know half of our studio and on the left is is the water and on the right's the water and then down the middle is the trail and I'm and I'm like the wheels are up I'm pointing towards the water over here and then I got I'm spin the wheel and the kid the catch this way and then I'm pointed that water and so the whole time I'm doing this going down the hill I hit that the going down the hill I hit that telephone pole like a toothpick it doesn't just shatters you know what I'm saying right through that catch the tires at the bottom yanks me over I go flying into the canal so and then half the track half of where I'm at goes I mean the battery comes up flying out of it [ __ ] everywhere wood ash from behind me over the off me so covered in black soot like, like, like, "Oh, wow.

Dude, you're going to die." Oh, totally. I was totally fine. I mean, I I a little bit of bumps and bruises, but uh but uh but uh Did you think about jumping out? No. No. No. I would be afraid for it to run me over. Yeah. Especially the way it was going. It was so out of control. I knew I had to try and ride it out and like Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Wrote it out and then What did he say when he saw you?

I mean, he I mean, I'm like frozen. I'm so scared and sitting on it still after it's all crashed and and and done. And I look back and I see him like running down the hill like a full speed to come over. And luckily he was cool. Like he was cons obviously more I'm sure at that point going like what was I thinking putting some 17-year-old kid you know. So he was probably scared to death you know that I I didn't get you know I wasn't hurt and you know I was so embarrassed that I'm not like I didn't I don't think I told my parents like I don't think I was like I shared that story way later to people but wow bro you could have died.

That's gnarly. You know, it didn't feel uh like life or death carry. I think as I'm going down, I'm like going to get in trouble. trouble. trouble. Yes. I'm more like I'm about to crash this track to be like expensive. Yeah. Yeah. I'm definitely losing this job. job. job. You know what I'm saying? So, I didn't I worked there for like 3 years after that and was uh it was all good. But, dude, I'll never forget that. That was my my first day ever driving a tractor.

That was that that's what went down. Yeah. Yeah. I you just made me remember back in the day when I had to go work with my dad, one of his helpers had me turn a light off so he could switch so he could like fix a wire. Yeah. And that piece of crap, dude. Totally just pranked me so hard, bro. He goes to touch the wire and acts like he's getting electrocuted cuz I'm the one holding the switch. I'm like, and he's like starts laughing at me.

I'm like, "Oh my god, dude. I had to walk out of the room. the room. the room. I thought I was so good." Yeah, that's typical. Anyway, we I wanted to go over um what uh women can expect from using testosterone because it is uh getting quite popular now. So, hormone therapy is popular. Uh it's it's pretty mainstream now. It's pretty dstigmatized, especially with women, I feel like, these days. It's it's it's very um it's very destigmati dstigmatized. It's going mainstream. And the part that is uh that more women are opening uh their minds to is use of testosterone because uh testosterone is you know we would we would widely consider it male hormone but a lot of people don't realize that women have testosterone just like men do.

It's not a male hormone. It's a higher percentage uh in men but women need testosterone just as much as men do. And uh it's responsible for the same things uh in women as it is in men. Libido, drive, energy. And it is one of the uh aesthetic hormones. So of the hormones that you could take and you know use therapy for the ones that will produce the biggest visual change uh in your body in terms of body fat, muscle, all that stuff. Uh testosterone and thyroid.

Those are the two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But testosterone is uh this is the one people feel the most. Women all they'll talk about it and say, "Oh yeah, going on testosterone was like life-changing in terms of how I I mean it's so cool to see how far we've we've come with that." I mean, when you look at all the the great female doctors that we've had on this show that they all all all I mean, that's that's part of like normal therapy now. It's getting to a place where it's like especially once you get to a certain age.

I was listening to Katrina's conversation with her doctor. yet over on speaker phone while over driving and it's like it's just it's become uh almost common practice now that once you reach a certain age uh they introduce thyroid and testosterone almost as like the go in fact it sounds like that's the go-to first two is that correct normally which ones which ones which ones thyroid and testosterone are nor the first two like that's what he was telling her while she was going to hers cuz I we talked before she got on and I'm like I'm really curious to hear if he's if he plans to put you on testosterone anytime soon.

It's one of the first ones. Yeah. And but he told her, "Hers is so good. She's so good everywhere else." Uh he's like, "Thyroid is the only thing you can use a little bit of it." And she he even has her on a minimal dose. He's like, "If you notice that you don't have energy, this or that." And she's like, "No." He's like, "We could turn it up a tiny bit." He goes, "But I'd rather save that till you're feeling that way." And he goes, "Eventually, it's just a very straightforward hormone uh when they use it." Now, they'll they could play with the dose a little bit, but you know, hormone therapy will will involve sometimes progesterone, in some cases estrogen, but testosterone, you're right, it's one of the first ones that because you feel it improves your quality of life, build muscle, burn body fat.

Uh, it's a safe hormone. Well, and then you what I think is so powerful about that is then you you you couple the the downstream effects you get from building muscle, having energy, like it's not just it gives you that direct energy and strength and muscle, but it's like then the downstream effects of having more muscle, having more energy, it's like it's like it's like libido is a big one. Yeah, libido, sleep, all those things. So, there was this big like um study, and I got to bring this up because um they this and you'll see this.

There was a study of over 80,000 women aged 50 or older um on hormone replacement therapy and they tied it so I'm just talking about this cuz it's going viral. They tied it to cancer and vascular events. Now here's why this is super misleading. Um what's included in this is birth control is not nonbio identical hormone. So if you took a like and a lot of women are put on on birth control type hormone therapy either to to stop to regulate bleeding or for or for acne or for uh period pain or for other reasons.

Uh you know a progesterine is not the same as progesterone, right? It's like anabolic steroids versus testosterone. Testosterone is a natural hormone in men. Does that mean you can go take Dball uh and you're not going to get negative effects? No. That's a derivative of uh it's a type of an androgen but it's going to cause all kinds of negatives. So what they took with this is they took a glump of women most of them on what are cons what are called nonbio identical hormones. So these are not hormones that are like the ones in your body.

These are chemically altered like hormones and those are the ones like birth control. Yes. And those are the ones that cause issues. But when you want hormone, like if you go to like our partners at uh um uh mpormones.com, uh mpormones.com, uh mpormones.com, if you go there and they test your hormones to say, "Okay, we can do hormone therapy with you." They use the same hormones that are in your body. They don't put you on Yeah. these other uh you know uh derivatives or or or uh chemically different uh hormones that you'll sometimes see women be put on.

These are actual like progesterone, testosterone, thyroid, like the like the actual Have you guys been getting all the uh Phil with Vabella's the company who we work with now and stuff and Phil's the founder. the amount of I was just visiting my my godson had his his birthday just la past weekend and we were out there and uh my my best friend's wife is a nurse and has like I didn't realize how many nurse friends and that she had that was that have gone through us and really yeah and they've been going through us for a long time and they've now experienced the transition transition transition and they're like oh dude so much better service I mean to the point I didn't I didn't I didn't bring it up I didn't even know.

I didn't realize all of them. They had we were at a a big birthday party and I was like, "Oh my god." I guess Phil's gotten on the phone with a few of them even. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. And and they're like the founder like called me. I was like, "I appreciate that." So, shout out to Phil. I know that he knew that when we when we made this transition that it was so important to us that our customers felt that first, right? Like obviously we shopped around for what was going to be the the the best dose legally.

Obviously, we went for the the no sales team thing, too, to where you're actually speaking to a medical professional. Like, all these other things were obviously super important, but then at the end of the day, it was like take care of our customers because that's what I feel like what wasn't getting done. getting done. getting done. And so, the experience that I've been getting or feedback I've been getting has been has been incredible. So, it's it's really cool. So, did you guys hear about what they did with the fruit uh fly brain in a computer?

computer? computer? The fruit fly. Did you hear about this brain? We did. Yeah. What do you mean by that? What do you mean? So, I'm going to pull this article up and and I'll kind of read uh what they do. they do. they do. They're able to literally digitally map this fruitfly brain. So, we often use fruit flies because uh predictively predictively predictively they're very basic like brain very easy or whatever. or whatever. or whatever. Oh, I think I heard you say something. So, a neuroch technology company Eon Systems took a complete digital map of a fruitflyy's brain.

So, they took the whole brain and recreated it digitally. Yep. Yep. Yep. Then they ran it inside a virtual fly body. Yeah. body. Yeah. body. Yeah. In a simulated world. So the fly on the computer was running off of this this digital map of an actual just like what a a fly would do. So in other words, there wasn't like some sort of a mathematical formula or equation or pathway that it was it was programmed to follow. It was random. It was just they took the brain of the the the the fly.

Yeah. How the mapped brain and they essentially digitized it. It's an exact copy of this brain but in the computer. computer. computer. How do you prove this? I don't know how to stop it. How do you prove that, Doug? What do you mean prove that? Don't poke holes in it, Adam. It's No, no, no, no, no, no. They you can technically you can do this, but they started with the fruitfly brain because it's super super basic. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, super basic. super basic. super basic. I mean, what's more basic than that?

Maybe like a worm. So, they did this, then they turned it on, and the fruitly in the computer, which now had a brain that's like a fruitfly, it behaved just like a fruitfly. fruitfly. fruitfly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On its own. They didn't tell it to do anything. It literally did everything that a fruitfly would do on the computer. Now, put that in Sims. Well, you know, now listen, it's not stopping there. Uh, they're going to try to do the same for a mouse brain next. And eventually, they're going to try and do a human brain.

This is that show upload, dude. Bro, can you just hold on a second? If they did, if they technically could do this, let's say they do a mouse brain, does the mouse on the computer think it's in a real world? Of course it does. It has to. If that's the case, why would they do a human brain? Are you going to have like this human on your computer that's like thinks it's real? Where am I? Let me out. Some black mirror crap right there, dude. there, dude.

there, dude. The horrors. I know. I mean, so it's not until we we reach a conscious brain that we can even prove how valid this is or isn't, right? isn't, right? isn't, right? I don't know. Cuz like, okay, so like I don't think they know what they're doing. So go down the chain of from fruitfly to mouse to these animals like and we're all watching this this thing act on there. Uh how how do we prove it's it's it's I don't know. Yeah. I can't I can't where I the human brain is the only way cuz cuz then the human would get in there and be like let me They freak out.

Well, it's it's reactive. It's not necessarily like uh consciously. It's not until and not until you have a conscious mind. conscious mind. conscious mind. It's a map. It's a sequence. It's a good question. So, until it's a conscious mind that that they try and map it out, they're not they're not digitizing consciousness. That's not happening. No, they can't. They theoretically think they will. They're not. They're not. They're not. Did you guys watch that Black Mirror episode where people had like they look like phones and on there you had a a clone of yourself in your phone as your assistant and it literally thought it was you.

And so this woman turns her phone on and it's her in the phone. She's like, "Hey, where am I? Where am I?" She's like, "Hey, you work for me. You're my assistant now. Let me out of here. She's like, here. Let me out of here. She's like, "No, you're gonna do what I say. You're my new assistant." And she's like, "I don't want to do what you say." So, she pushes a button and it simulates 30 days where this woman is in this blank room for 30 days.

Like punishment. Like punishment. Like punishment. And then she turns, she's like, "I'll do whatever you want. I'll do whatever you want." want." want." I can't watch that show. It freaks me out. It's too twisted. Yeah. But it's like those concepts like are almost like you could believe something like that. Yeah. That's like yes. I feel like we're going down the road. I hate that. I hate creepy going down that. down that. down that. All right, I'm going to change subject more positive like that. Did you guys know?

Did you guys know that Butcher Box has tater tots? tater tots? tater tots? Tots. Tots. Tots. You could buy tater tots on. Yes, dude. Tater tots. Tater tots. Tater tots. Are they healthier? Tots. Healthy tater tots for healthy. I love tater tots. Well, I mean they also have French fries. It could be healthier the way they're fried because I mean all they are are white potatoes that are deep fried or something. Are they deep fried in something else like peanut oil or something healthier? Like normally they take the uh potato and they may coat it with a little bit of oil.

Then you put in an air fryer and you you make it. But these come in a bag and you just throw them in the oven. Yeah. Cuz they've already they've already been done that. So I'm curious. Right. Yeah. But they're not fried prior. No, they're typically I think they're cooked in oil. Raw raw tomato. Oh, I see. The oil is on the potato. on the potatoes the potatoes the potatoes and then you cook it in the oven. Is that you know that? Well, I mean I've purchased uh not from Butcher Box, but I've purchased other ones.

ones. ones. Look up the tater tots on butcher box. See what the Oh, tater tots. You're talking tater tots. tots. tots. Yeah. Yeah. I'm super Bro, I am a huge tater I don't know about you guys, but that's like one of my favorite. my favorite. my favorite. Oh yeah. My one sneak them in your You know where you Hey, where you went with the boys? Did you know that they're they were they're famous for their tater tots? That bowling alley? Oh, they are? Yes. Did you not have any heat?

heat? heat? No. No. No. Oh, bro. Did you have the pretzel? Did you have the pretzel there? No, we didn't eat. We didn't really eat there. there. there. I'm so I'm so I'm so Yeah, we ate before we got there. Well, that was what what what makes that place so sick is they have like a they have a like a famous chef that is working out of there. Oh, serious. Oh, serious. Oh, serious. So, all the stuff, all the food is amazing. amazing. amazing. Wow. Wow.

Wow. At a bowling alley. Like, no one thinks like it's amazing. I had no idea. Yeah, there's like nobody there when we went. It was like wide open. I was like, "Oh, this is rad." There's like nobody here. All the lanes like what's it made with? I didn't know that. that. that. Yeah. So, I stand corrected. I thought you were talking about the French fries, but the tater tots are fried in avocado oil. oil. oil. Okay. So, they're done avocado. That's better. Yeah. That's right. I figured they would do something, right?

There's two foods that I'll eat until um I'm really upset. Chips and tater tots. Well, three foods. Potato chips, French fries, and tater tots. You could put I don't care how many you put in front of me. I'm going to eat them until I until I can't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's That's how much I like them. I wonder if my I'll have to try and get some. some. some. Why is that an Do they have a special Do they have a special going on? Normally they have something cool going on where if you sign up, you get something cool right now.

You get free ground beef for life in your box. your box. your box. That's I cooked. That's what I cooked yesterday. Three lbs of ground beef. This is the the ultimate uh meal prep. This is the meal prep hack for everybody. And it's cheap. You cook a bunch of ground beef and a bunch of rice and you can mix it together. I'll give you even the crazier I the you I'll give you even the crazier I the tasty version of of that what I do. So I do three lbs cuz that's all I do three lbs cuz that's all I can fit in my big old iron skillet.

I I would do four if I could fit four in there. Three lbs fits inside there. Montreal uh steak seasoning. That's all it needs on it. So season it, season it with that. No, you don't need no oil, no nothing inside the iron skillet. Just literally straight dump it in there and do that. I cook it slow so that I can also take a whole onion. I sauté the whole put a little bit of olive oil in a pan. pan. pan. First you saute the onion.

Oh, separately. separately. separately. Yeah, se they're separate. So are the mushrooms and so is that. So I got three pans that are running. Much work. I'm not not not No, it's not. It's cuz it all gets done at the exact same time and it's amazing. So the mushrooms are being sauteed in ghee and garlic salt. So mushrooms are on a slow simmer with and I do two whole things of mushrooms with uh with the ghee and garlic salt in it. And then I have my onions with olive oil also on low simmer.

And then they're all cooking around the same time. Takes about 30 45 minutes. And then when they're done, you just mix that all together. And then you add your scoop of whether you're doing one cup or half cup rice. Katrina's half cup rice. I'm one cup rice. There's your meal prep. It's so good. It sounds delicious, but it's too much work for me. What? What? What? Yeah. I know you and Doug are like little chefs. little chefs. little chefs. That is not That is like easy, dude.

Yeah. It's way more hard than what I do. I go ground beef, seasoning, rice, done. Yeah, but you're like a like a like I'm like I'm a like I'm a bachelor in college. I mean the hardest part I guess is I got to chop the onions up and then you can buy chopped onions and you can I guess you could skip that part too if you really want to and you just literally dump it in the oven and you just leave it. If Justin and I were roommates, we would eat eat eat Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. pretty super basic. Frozen frozen burritos ramen tater tots all day. Burger burger patties. I mean, that's got to be one of the that's got to be one of the most easy bases. You need a block of cheese, dude. It's so easy to cook what I just said. There's no there's it's not tricky at all. It's super easy, quick, so good. Well, yeah. You get you get married, dude. dude. dude. The ghee and the garlic salt that soak gets soaked up with that mushroom. So, that adds a little nice to that lean that lean.

that lean. that lean. No, no, listen. It sounds delicious. It sounds really delicious. You don't have to sell me on the flavor, but when you said multiple pans is too said when you said multiple pans is too hard. hard. hard. Yeah, you went multiple pans. My already in my head. I was like, "No." So, what I So, the the the I guess the bachelor brain of me, okay, that that has entered the the cooking world, cuz I by no means think I'm any sort of a chef.

chef. chef. Bro, you are super into barbecue. You go crazy. I think you time everything, the perfect air temperature, what altitude we like, I'm not even making this up. People listening, he knows how much longer it needs to go if we're in Truckucky because of the altitude. So, if I'm This is how much science he goes into. I if I'm if I uh what I'm not good at is ask me to cook something where different things have different times like if I can figure out a way to make things that take the exact same time and there's downtime while you're waiting.

So it's easy to do a couple ground beef rice tater tots in the oven. Done. Tater tots. Tater tots. Tater tots. I'm excited about that. Let's get back to the tater tots. Huh? I will I will order some of those though cuz I do want to try for sure for sure for sure cuz I ironically it's so hard to get my son to eat carbs. So I've never thought this would be the day that I'm like eat your French fries like like like my youngest too.

Same thing. Wild that my son doesn't like French fries. Doesn't like rice. Does not like nothing like or rice. Yeah. He doesn't like it really. You kill me. What does he eat for? I mean he he'll eat like like corn tortillas for like tacos, but he eats tacos. That's it. He likes tacos. He'll eat tacos, but he he's not a carb. He wants meat, dude. You know what my son will do? My 5-year-old, I I could feed him 18 eggs a day. I don't know what it is about eggs.

He'll eat them as many as he want. It's for real. That's cool. Hella eggs. He's five. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He eats two eggs in the morning and then probably two or four throughout the day. That's a 5-year-old eating four to six eggs in a day. Whole eggs. Dang. Dang. Dang. I have to I'm at that that stage right now. Justin probably can relate then cuz your son was like this. It's like I'm always I'm trying to sneak calories in everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's part of why I like opened up the dessert can of worms with him cuz him cuz him cuz like I want the extra calories. I'm like I let him have dessert and stuff because I'm like he needs to eat more calories and and and pour hella olive oil in his Yeah. No, I do. I sneak all kinds of stuff like that. Honey on things like I have I sneak all these calories because he'll just eat just straight meat all the time.

I told this the last time I I tried to take him through drive-thru and get chicken nuggets and he was like, "No, Dad. I'll wait till you get home and eat your my leftover steak. He had me reheat steak from yesterday. That is That is That is then drive through and get chicken nuggets and French fries. I'm like, "Dude, come on, bro." Like, but I never thought that would happen. I know. It's hard to talk him out of that. You know, my three-year-old, I have to peel nuggets for her.

She likes the white. Just the meat. I know, dude. I'm like, that's the best part. What are you doing? doing? doing? Making me peel the nug. Who peels a nugget? This guy does. Ridiculous. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. Dose makes some pretty incredible supplements. One of them is for liver health. In fact, clinical trials show that using dose reduced liver enzyme values. Actually measured. So you can get blood tests and see just how effective dose is for liver health. Now this is great because the liver detoxifies the body.

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So, that's a good question and and so um I'll start with this. overall general strength is the way um to prepare. But the pain uh because a lot of women will get wrist pain, shoulder pain, uh sometimes hip pain like this all day. Yes. From holding a baby, wrist pain being the most common one, but shoulder pain probably being second because they always carry their kid on the same side. Same side. Same side. Same side. That's the thing. Switch it up. This is what this will prevent issues uh is switching uh from side to side.

And everybody's got their favorite, you know, side that they like to carry the kit on. Um, but besides that, it's just overall strengthening. There is no specific, you know, way to train unless we're already correcting an issue. But just traditional strength training, get stronger overall. And then when baby comes, you have to be aware uh that you're going to be, you know, that you're holding the baby on one side or the other and switch it up. I did you uh I use the what's it called?

The baby babyorn. I use that. We use that a lot. You know, they make these new ones where they go around your waist and it's like a little seat. Have you seen it? and you put your kid on it and so it's like it's like the baby's sitting on a seat and you kind of hold them. Oh Oh Oh yeah. My wife got one with uh with my youngest. It's really cool because it's not like you know that you have to put them in. This is literally you just wear it and then when you pick up your kid I think I have seen somebody doing that before actually.

I love that thing. I think we used it like crazy. I mean because you can flip them for you can flip them forward or back and instead of the old traditional like turning on your hip type of deal like that gets uncomfortable doing that for a while. Justin could hold kids for lunch. Well, yeah. I was I the Bejorn thing. I tried it for a bit hold his kids like a tiger back of their neck. You know what I'm saying? I just switch arms, put them on my back, you know.

Dude, know. Dude, know. Dude, you just see I swear to God never used it. Nothing. I just I just held them. Oh, did you hold them on your shoulders? Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Yeah. I got a buddy like that. He's always got his We like We just grew out of that. We just grew. just grew. just grew. I loved every minute of it. I did I did it all the way I did it all the way till just maybe six months ago. Like Max, he we just it was just like yesterday or day before he Dad, can I get in your show?

I was like, "Nah, bro. We're past that now." Yeah. Yeah. Coming up on a different stage here. Dad's got arthritis, arthritis, arthritis, dude. My neck and now he's I mean, he's not little anymore. And his legs, his legs hang all the way down past my hips. You know what I'm saying? Like your weight. You have your kid pee while you were holding them up there. You know, in their diaper still a little spill. No, that has not happened to me. Next question is from Morgan B.

Peterson. Can you talk more about body types? You touched on it recently with the caller having a more athletic body as a woman and how to capitalize on it and not have remorse for it. Yeah. So, you know, the beauty of part of the beauty of strength training is it's the most targeted uh form of exercise. You could target, build, and shape muscles. Uh just because of the nature of strength training. That being said, like there's certain things about body type that you can't really get around like uh bone structure.

Uh you have wide hips, narrow hips, wide shoulders, narrow shoulders, uh long femur, short femur. You can't change that. Um you also can't to it to an extent can't change uh how you store body fat. Women generally store it in the lower body. Men uh store typically in the in the midsection. Although hormone changes can start to affect this. So earlier we talked about hormone therapy. therapy. therapy. Sometimes women will find when they're in parmenopause or menopause they'll start storing more in their midsection. Um and hormone therapy seems to uh change that fat storage.

But aside from you know what I said like getting leaner and more fit, building muscle like that makes everybody look better. But you got to be careful with comparing yourself body type to other body types, right? Yeah. You got to be careful with that. So, I'm I'm going to say something that's a bit of an overgeneralization, but in my experience, this is this is what I've seen uh time and again, right? It's uh It's uh It's uh and correct me if this is different for you guys, but what I have noticed is each each client or body type that I've I've trained um has a strength and has a weakness.

And as a trainer, I felt I had a lot of success when I when I understood that and then I leaned into that example. So my clients that were really skinny that had a hard time like trying to build muscle, those clients it was always easy for them to get lean. That's what they they never had a problem. And so me get worrying about that or or leaning into that strength is it that ver the opposite is true with the other client. The client that really has a hard time losing weight like fighting that and always just trying to lose weight with that client.

I did so much better trying to build muscle with that client. So lean into your strength. If you have a more athletic body type, you hold muscle really well, but you always want to be leaner, always trying to do that, and you're always fighting low calorie and trying to get lean versus I'm going to lean into what your body does really well. Like, it builds muscle really well. Let's go build a bunch of muscle. That will speed your metabolism up. That will help the process of of leaning out.

And so, I've had more success when I had body types that were like that where they had this kind of athletic build that they they always wanted to be smaller or leaner. It's like you're always fighting against the body where your body wants to build muscle. Let's lean into that. Let's build muscle. build muscle. build muscle. I also think we give too much credit to uh or put too much blame on body types and genetics. Like there is no genetics uh there is no widespread genetics for like obesity.

like obesity. like obesity. Uh there'll be a difference of 15 20 pounds from person to person depending on the genetics but that's it. Not the 60 lb 70B type of deal. uh the vast majority of uh you know the effect you have is really lifestyle. So exercise and diet and um everybody can look more fit and healthy or less fit and healthy. But you know don't get caught in that game of comparing your body type to somebody else's uh and saying oh I want to that's that's a losing game.

Um and the best success I ever got with clients were people were like hey this is my body and I'm going to become the fit I'm going to be fit and healthy for my body and be okay with it. just trying to be objective from where you started, where you are like and think of all the different metrics beyond just the aesthetics like with the strength, energy, and you know, all those other things. things. things. Next question is from Julie E. Homequist. I started deadlifting today, but my shoulders hurt.

Is that something that will eventually go away or are there other shoulder exercises I should be doing to build up to the deadlift? That's interesting. Shoulders hurt. Shoulders hurting from deadlifting. Yeah. And she's probably referring to her traps. her traps. her traps. You know, sometimes people say my shoulder area shoulder area shoulder area should probably getting into it. She's probably in a little bit of a position. If you She just started deadlifting. Yeah. If you just started deadlifting, um often times the initial soreness you'll get will be in the mid upper back.

Uh because a lot of people are weak there. Uh the the muscles that bring the shoulder blades back um and support that shoulder girdle tend to be weak, right? Unless you strength train, maybe some protraction too. You know that they're that they're that they're And so I'd say go lighter and go slower. Um and you can have like a a friend or someone press on your traps a little bit to give you a little bit of myofascial release. But um I mean that's typic that's probably what's going on here because the shoulder joint itself shouldn't get hurt in a deadlift.

That's very it'd be very strange. Isometrically stabilize it there. I I also want to point out this is one of the most valuable parts about our mind pump private forum or our muscle mommy group too. Uh we could sit here all day long and try and guess why it's her shoulders. If I saw your movement in the deadlift I'd know right away. I'd know right away why and I be able to explain it. Um cuz could be a lot of different things. She could also be arching her neck while she's doing it.

She be rounding her back. Yeah, she could be just Yeah, she could be just standing up and then kind of shrugging a little bit. I mean, there could be a lot of things that that we're not saying right now that could be going on if I saw the movement pattern. And so, one of the probably the most valuable things uh or commonly used uh ways of using the forum is to video yourself doing a movement and then a ask this question and then you'll have either one of us or one of our trainers get in there and answer and help you with it.

Super super valuable. valuable. valuable. Next question is from Untamed Fitness AU. For your own personal training, do you follow the doctor's text order when you can officially start lifting again or follow your own body's cues and start when you feel ready? Slowing yourself back into it, of course. So, this is an interesting question because because because sounds like a setup. So, here's the deal. Uh for most people, uh you want to listen uh to your doctor because you just don't know your body well. Uh and when you think you're ready, you're probably not.

And even people who are well trained, yeah, yeah, yeah, uh like fitness people oftentimes overestimate how well they're doing. We're all guilty of that. That being said, you know, look, uh if you're if you really know your body, you're you've got, you know, you've got a good background in exercise, you know, your movement, you know how to listen to your body, and you're already fit, often times what the doctor will tell you in terms of when you're ready is a really conservative estimate. conservative estimate. conservative estimate.

Overly cautious. They're very very conservative like don't lift over five pounds or okay you should be able to move your shoulder in you know in 10 weeks weeks weeks you know I had shoulder surgery and I had full function in half the time the doctor uh told me but that's only because I had worked out before I was already fit already fit already fit pre-existing muscle and yeah like and I knew how to rehab that's and I knew how to rehab it myself. I remember I went to the PT and the PT is like, "All right, lift your arm up." And I was able to lift it all the way up.

And they looked at me like, "Whoa." And I'm like, "Well, I know how to rehab it." And what? But that being said, I've also had injuries where I'm like, "Oh, I'm good." And then I reinjure myself. So yeah, this is such a loaded question for that reason. Uh cuz I don't think any of us probably follow exactly the doctor's orders afterwards, but then I've also made the mistake of more than once reinjuring myself. reinjuring myself. reinjuring myself. You did it with your knee? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Did my knee, did my pec. I mean, I go down the list. I've done it with a lot of things. cuz I do have it's it's so I guess the other way to look at this too is just like okay uh you doing it faster or doing more is it really going to get you that much better that much quicker that much more results I mean building muscle burning body fat that that whole process is such a slow process anyways is it worth worth worth going outside uh the boundaries that the doctor's giving you between your appointments uh just so you can try and get a little bit fat like results that aren't even going to be that measurable like I No, it's I'll tell you what, I I know a guy who just had uh weeks ago had shoulder surgery and used uh BPC57 and thymus and beta half the time.

And he was like, "Bro, half the time." The doctor was like, "I can't." Well, that's where you're Yeah, exactly. You start getting real confident. It's a little like little like little like It's like It's like 40% of the time uh off of your recovery. No, I I I calm myself down a bit. being the one who's probably been injured the most here. I feel like I've tested it so many times, it's half. It's half the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It cut it cuts the recovery time in half.

But to Justin's point, that's part of the dangerous part is all of a sudden I'm like, "Oh my god, I'm I'm back. I'm back in half the time. Let's go." And then all a sudden you start ramping up and then that's where you can get hurt again. That's right. And for people interested in those kind of peptides, you want to go through a doctor. We have some at mmones.com so you can check them out. All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out.

One of the keys to fat loss is protein. It's true. If you're not eating a high protein diet, you're not going to burn as much body fat as you can. So, today's episode, we're going to talk about the smartest ways to use protein for fat burn and to build muscle. You got to watch this. I wish I understood this earlier in my career. I think it was probably probably probably almost 10 years in when I started to just focus on this with clients. I knew it was important, but I don't know how important.

Yeah. I also did I knew what was important and but I also