What You Were Never Told About the O. J. Simpson Case Feat. Chris Todd

Key Takeaway

Multiple people can be involved in tragic events, yet evidence can be suppressed or mishandled. The OJ Simpson case demonstrates how critical evidence—like unmatched blood DNA, additional shoe prints, and testimony about two different knife types—was overlooked or buried, reminding us that seeking truth requires questioning official narratives and examining all available facts, not just the convenient ones.

Episode Overview

Private investigator Chris Todd presents his theory that OJ Simpson did not act alone in the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, backed by evidence of unmatched DNA, multiple shoe prints, and testimony about two different knives used in the attack. He argues there was a cover-up from the beginning and that critical evidence was suppressed or mishandled during the investigation and trial.

Full Transcript

Transcript of What You Were Never Told About the O. J. Simpson Case Feat. Chris Todd from The Ed Mylett Show. Auto-generated from episode audio; may contain minor errors.

one of the two or three most compelling stories is the O.J. Simpson trial. And some information came across my desk from somebody that has a theory as to exactly what happened in the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman that I thought was interesting enough that I wanted to share with you. I know 150% 150% 150% that O.J. did not do this alone. O.J. did it, he had help, and there was a lot of evidence. There was other shoe prints and blood there. There were other fingerprints.

There was blood DNA in the Bronco and at the murder scene that did not match O.J., Ron, or Nicole. It's a cover-up. They don't want to hear that there's two knives. This thing was rooted right in the beginning with cover-up right away. You said he's passed away. Do you want to give us the name of who you think the second guy is? Mafia, hardcore drug smuggler, killer. If he was still alive today, I would not be talking to you. I can say his name cuz it's out there.

If this evidence you've described is accurate, the most public trial in the history of our country and that many of these things, the first time most human beings are hearing this is right now. It's mind-blowing that the world doesn't know this. See, you don't know about this because the media's blocking the story, even though I've been screaming from the mountaintop for 5 years and they refuse to tell the story. All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. So, you know for the last 10 years, every single week we've been putting out episodes that either change or improve your life, and that's why we've become one of the top shows in the world.

And I'm very grateful for that, and I hope we continue to do that for the next 10 years. But this year, every once in a while, I want to do something that's a little bit off the beaten path for our show, which is to have a topic on the show that just fascinates me personally. And in my lifetime, one of the two or three most compelling stories, the things that just stand out as moments in time that I'll never forget is the O.J. Simpson trial. And some information came across my desk about 6 months ago from somebody that has a theory as to exactly what happened in the murders of Nicole Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman that I thought was interesting enough that I wanted to share it with you.

And so today we're going to have a conversation with him. And we haven't recorded it yet. We're about to go into it. it. it. And I just want to be clear. I'm not a detective. I'm not in law enforcement. I'm not an attorney. And I don't claim to know what happened exactly uh in the loss of life for these two precious souls. But he believes he does. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask the questions that I think you would want me to ask.

And I think it's going to be one of the most interesting, fascinating episodes of all time on the show. And then you can decide what you think happened. And so can I at the end of the conversation. And so And so And so I'll work on your behalf to get as much information as I can and keep it as entertaining as possible. I hope you enjoy this. Here we go. All right, guys. So I've already sort of introduced the episode today. So let me just introduce the person.

I'm going to talk to Chris Todd. Chris is a veteran PI. He's been a private investigator a long time. But he's just one of the great truth seekers uh in the world today. Whether that be what happened with Kurt Cobain or Biggie Smalls Smalls Smalls or what we're going to talk about today mainly, which is O.J. Simpson and the O.J. Simpson trial. And I got to tell you, Chris, first welcome to the show, brother. Good to have you here. Thank you, man. I'm honored to be here with you, Adam.

Thank you. I should tell you first in the audience why I have such an interest in this. Obviously, it's one of the you know, most compelling stories of my lifetime. lifetime. lifetime. But I have to tell you, I haven't told you this until I wanted to record. This trial and what happened to particularly Nicole particularly Nicole particularly Nicole matters to me because I was fresh out of college and my business partner in my first business was dating Nicole's sister at the time the murder happened. And so I spent time around the family during the trial.

Wow. a little insight into what the family was thinking initially as well. And so this is not just something that I watched on TV, it's something that I was at least in a peripheral way around the trial trial trial and a little bit around the family. And so I'm really interested in to hear what you've discovered or what your theories are. Before you tell us what they are, on a scale of 1 to 100, how sure are you that what you're about to share with us is accurate?

Is it Is it a 90? Is it a 52? How sure are you? I would say it's a 90 and the reason I leave that little 10% is because, you know, I've dealt with a lot of accomplices and accomplices and accomplices and and criminals, let's say. And And And [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] you have to be careful what you believe from what they say. So I always leave I'll leave you like 10% that and we're going to get into something interesting today that I'm going to talk about that there's actually another person involved with them that took me a long time to really kind of that.

So it's a fascinating story. My journey is is is beyond comprehension. And you know, all glory to God in a way of how I was brought into this. And we can get into that stuff, you know, as we go. I might know who your friend is that probably did I won't say his name, but I think I might know who that is. Off camera I'll share that with you, but not relative to the story, but I want to protect those folks as well, but start out by asking you most of us that watched that trial, I'd say the majority of people that watched the trial eventually reached the conclusion that they believed that O.J.

killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. Most of them all that I talked to though wonder whether he could have done this alone. And of course there's a percentage of people that still believe that maybe he didn't do it or they don't know. True. First of all, lay out for us what you believe. You have a book you wrote called Ron's Revenge. What you believe took place? Just a general overview of what happened to these two precious souls, who did it? Did they do it with someone else?

Did they do it alone? Etc. alone? Etc. alone? Etc. Absolutely. And and um my original book was called if we did it. This was the beginning of this saga. After I kind of met one of the key players, let's say, um I I came forward against that person. Today I won't say their full name. I can say the actual name that OJ used, right? OJ kept calling him Charlie. So, that's in OJ's book, chapter 6 of If I Did It. And OJ supposedly had confessed cryptically to Judith Regan, to Fox.

That interview was shelved for 12 years. It was barred from the public. Okay? The overview is because there's so much I mean, just the there's the I mean, this is 7 years of I saw things that I cannot even explain. So, So, So, basically, OJ didn't do it alone. Okay? And And And I know for a fact there's one person with him. There's possibly two people with him. Okay? That's where I leave that 10%. Okay? I know 150% 150% 150% that OJ did not do this alone.

And a lot of people, like you said, a lot of people knew that, too. And there was a lot of evidence. There was other shoe prints and blood there. There were other fingerprints. There was blood DNA in the Bronco and at the murder scene that did not match OJ, Ron, or Nicole. And I learned And look, I'm not going to talk badly about the LAPD because they've actually been pretty cool listening over the years. They could have ignored me a lot, right? But they've listened, and whether they do something, that's up to them.

I don't control that. But OJ did it. He had help. And it solves all the mysteries of like where the clothes went and the shoes and the knife. Why did they never find that stuff? How did he get back to his house so fast? How did he get rid of everything and nobody saw the Bronco and where was the Bronco at the house? Like he got dropped off, he jumped a fence. There was all this stuff and like most of the public, I was a fan.

I was in college. I was 20 years old when it happened. And so I did live it, too. And when I first met these guys, there was a couple people involved with the the these projects, so to speak, I couldn't believe it. And it took me about a year to truly believe it after vetting it, using other sources, using my investigative techniques. techniques. techniques. And I mean, I didn't sleep for a few nights after I I was made aware of what was going on. Imagine. So, let let me go through what I understand and you'll just correct me cuz I'll be wrong about this is 30 years ago or whatever it was.

But my understanding is is that there was some sort of a recital or something at school that day. Uh Nicole ends up having dinner with family at I think it's Mezzaluna. I think that's the name of the place. Ron was a server there. And I I think maybe OJ came there and there was a disagreement or he left, that part you can clear up. But how do you get from Mezzaluna to OJ pulling up? Let me just help speed this up, too. OJ lives down the street.

There's a front entrance to Nicole's house, there's a back entrance to Nicole's house. My understanding is you believe that he drove down what would be considered like the back alley that night. Fix what I just said that's wrong. Um my understanding also is that Nicole supposedly left some glasses at the restaurant, called the restaurant, Ron agrees to deliver them to the house that night. And what one how did he get there and be why did he do this? Like what compels this guy? He was obviously violent with her in the past, but this night did he intend to kill her?

Did he intend to scare her? What makes him get in his car knowing he's flying to Chicago I think later that night and drive over there and do this? What's what what spurred this change in his behavior or acceleration of his behavior? Yeah, and you remind me at the end I'm going to start with the first part of what you said and then I should be able to remember that second part. part. Um they go to There is a recital. Nicole does go to dinner at Mezzaluna with her family and the kids.

OJ doesn't go. go. go. Whether OJ was invited or not, there's a lot of different theories. he was at the recital and that's where there was a recital, yeah. He was filmed there. A guy from Portland, Oregon filmed OJ kissing one of his children and that was a big piece of the story So he was there. Nicole and OJ were not speaking to each other at this time. On June 12th, 1994, they hated each other. Like cats and dogs, man. I can't explain it. There's a couple things about this IRS letter.

They I mean they were it was bad. It was really bad. And there were a lot of warning signs over the years, okay? And his friends should have stepped in. This this murder is not premeditated. It's not. It's not. It's not. Okay? OJ's waiting for a limousine to come take him to the airport to go to Chicago. Within minutes minutes. I'm not talking hours. I'm talking within minutes, okay? Basically, what happens is I'm going to say two men show up at Rockingham and tell OJ they owe some money to them.

OJ and them owe these people money? Two There's two I'm going to say this cuz I can say this legally. Charlie quote unquote quote unquote quote unquote and another gentleman that I may say the name as we go because he died. He's dead, okay? dead, okay? dead, okay? If I remove I know Charlie's there. If I remove the second guy, right? And I just focus on one guy doing an extortion, right? You owe us money, they owe us money for drugs. You guys have been, you know, you have to understand the mafia mentality.

It's a setup. It's an extortion to get money out of him cuz OJ has nowhere to go. Who's he going to go to? The cops? He can't go anywhere. So, OJ had a drug problem. A lot of people knew that and he was entangled in the wrong crowd, period. So was Nicole, so was Faye Resnick. To some degree, Keith Z may have been. These were the people from Mezzaluna. These were the good friends of Nicole. There was a lot of stuff going on in LA in '94, okay?

Basically, OJ freaks out and says, "No, I'm not doing I'm not giving you a dime." And they're they're the tables have turned. have turned. have turned. And OJ says, "We're going to Nicole's." And he has them go in a Bronco with him to Nicole's house at about at about 10:20 p.m. he leaves Rockingham cuz the limo lands at like 10:25. He misses them. The limo never sees a Bronco. Okay? this. What compels this guy knowing he's getting on an airplane to drive over there? So, you're saying what compelled him is one or two of these shadowy figures, kind of mob dudes.

And you didn't he's investigated this, everybody. This isn't something that he's just look, you know, it's actually something that OJ said as well. So, these guys these guys these guys there's a confrontation. Backdrop on that just really quickly is you said OJ had a drug problem. Did OJ also help, do you believe, in his past maybe distribute or sell any of these drugs to people and that's why he was entangled with these two guys? Absolutely. He was facilitating deals with these two men. Absolutely. 100% and I can prove that.

And also AC was, too. And that can be proven, also. It's some of it's in the public domain. It's talked drugs when he's got a Hertz rental car deal. He's making some movies. movies. movies. He's on I think he's doing football on NBC at the time. Was he hurting for money? How's he hurting for money? Plus he's got an NFL pension. Why is he dealing drugs? This is this is the segway into the seven deadly sins. This is the segway into temptation. I believe through my cases, a lot of them, and I talk about this, my spirituality and God and Jesus with these cases and how they helped me in a way way way is is is OJ was possessed by anger, jealousy, rage.

He's angry, he's embarrassed. He's mad. And when [clears throat] we hit that point of no return, there is no turning back. He couldn't turn back. He told his bail bondsman in Vegas, years later, I should have just got on my plane. He knew in the retrospect, I what was I doing? Why? He could have told these guys, "Hey, chill out. I'll take care of it." Why does he need to Why does he need to race to Nicole's before he's going to get in a limo to go on an airplane?

Because of his anger. So if I could could could I don't want to do that a lot, but there's just in case people aren't familiar, there was a this was a very volatile relationship. There was violence in the relationship. They'd broken up and got back together several times. There are, you know, pretty valid stories that maybe that Nicole had dated, we'll call it dated, a few of OJ's friends. He had had some frustration about that. But I don't understand. Two guys show up, kind of a shakedown, you owe us money.

Why Nicole's house? Why is that where he's going? So they So they named Nicole. When they're talking to him, they're saying her name, and they're also saying Keith Z's name. Now, Keith Z was the one that triggered a lot of this anger, the 911 call in October of '93, the stalking incidents. That's Keith. So when they say Nicole's name, Faye Resnick, Keith, this is setting him off. They're pushing his buttons, okay? And and it's it's dark, man. He Obviously, a guy that was that good-looking, that charismatic, that famous, you're absolutely right.

We can't see how he would do it. But God can, and the devil can. They That That's what happens all the time, almost every day. People do things they should not do. So, you know, it's it's a sad story. It became a total mess after that. There's a lot of different theories and evidence that pointed to this, and, you know, I do want to touch about the cover-up and the the the censorship of the story, but we can keep going. If you run a business, you know it's not just what you do, but it's the time you spend doing it, and nothing wastes time faster than messy accounts payable issues.

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Let's just leave room that there could be a second guy with him in your theory, everybody. I I have no idea what happened, obviously. I've not done any investigating. investigating. investigating. So, they they end up in his car. You say it's not premeditated, but then at the same time, I've been told he's wearing gloves and a mask. So, if it's not premeditated, why does gloves and a mask? Not a mask. That's something Mark Furman said. There was no mask. It was just a cap. It was a beanie cap like he wear when he golf, he said.

The gloves were driving gloves. Okay, they're isotoneers. He wasn't in like this costume. Like people try to say that. Look, let me I'm going to give you the quick sound bite. O.J. wants to scare her, okay? He had stalked her before in all black clothing, probably had the cap on, maybe had the gloves, maybe he had thought about this before doing this before. Keith Z talks about this when he watches them through the window, he felt he could be killed, okay? He could have come in, he was like trying to get in the house.

It was all locked, okay? So, he had done this before at the Colby's in the trial had talked about seeing a man man man black man outside at Gretna Green, so a lot of people know that. So, he's wants to scare her. And in his book in chapter six, he tells you, "I'm going to go read her the riot act." He wants to scare her. Now, whether he tries to say, "I have a knife, I took it up from under the seat. Look at this blade." And he tells Charlie, "Look at this blade." And Charlie says in the chapter of the book, "What are you doing, dude?

Put that away." We're You're going to go talk to her, go talk to her, right? So, there's confusion about how many knives there really are. Do these other guys have knives and guns? Most likely. I mean, dealers carry weapons, period, especially in the the the white the snow game, okay? They are ready to die at any moment, okay? Anyone will tell you that in that game. So, they're there to scare them. When they show up and go through the back gate, the problem is there's Ron Goldman at the front.

Here's a white guy, good-looking, dressed to the nines, dropping off Juditha's glasses, Nicole's mother. She dropped them on the sidewalk. If she never dropped those glasses, Ron Goldman most likely is alive today. You believe just I've always wondered this, you believe that this was just coincidental and that there was no probably no pre-existing relationship between Ron and Nicole that was anything more than friends. They They there's no evidence that they were lovers. Actually, I do have a piece of tabloid evidence in the discovery file that I'm willing to show to people for free where it talks about Ron Goldman was in love with Nicole.

I have it in the witness statements from one of Ron's friends, okay? beautiful blonde lady that comes in the restaurant, he's got a crush on her, right? So Exactly. Is it also accurate before you tell us what you think happened? Correct me if I'm wrong because I certainly could be that the wounds on both of them and please tell me if I'm wrong about this cuz this is significant to your point point point that there there's evidence that it is two different knives that were used in the in the assault.

If that's true, why in the world did that not come out at trial or did it? It did. And what happened was in the very beginning they put on Dr. Irwin Golden who was the coroner, the original coroner. He was the deputy coroner. He had a boss, Dr. Lakshmanan, but but the He did the autopsy, Dr. Irwin Golden. He says in the preliminary hearing, there's two morphologically different types of stab wounds on the victims. Shapiro gets with him, he starts grilling him, could two knives have been used?

Yes. And that's all recorded. Now, what happens the next day? Marcia Clark kicks him off the case literally. And that's a problem. They actually went to other coroners across the country for somebody else. Why? Why? Why? Because it's a cover-up. They don't want to hear that there's two knives. knives. knives. And it's So, this is This thing was rooted right in the beginning with cover-up, right away. And there's different reasoning for that. Some Some of it they just wanted OJ. Some guys were afraid of the mob guys.

Look, one of the guys is an animal. Not Charlie, the other one. If he was still alive today, I would not be talking to you. Fair enough. So, philosophically, what you believe is there was We're going to want to go into this moment with Ron Goldman in a minute, but you do believe that OJ did this with an accomplice. Having said that, you also believe there was on the prosecution side and the law enforcement side, you also believe there was tampering of evidence and a cover-up.

He's nodding his head, but just for audio, you're saying yes to that. that. that. Yes, there was planting of evidence. There's proof of that. EDTA in different segments [snorts] of the blood on different pieces of evidence. And the glove may have been planted by Mark Fuhrman behind the house. Okay, so now we'll go Now we're going to go back this moment. So, OJ's coming up the walkway from the alley behind. Ron's at the front door talking to Nicole delivering the glass Mom's glasses. Do you You probably don't know this, but you believe OJ walked up there alone initially or is these other one or two men with him as he walks up?

OJ tries to say in his book in his confession in chapter six that Charlie followed this guy in. What he's trying to say is that like he goes in first to stalk and look through the windows and I I see candles and I hear music. I believe that Charlie and the other gentleman are with OJ at this time. I don't believe they're like coming from the front and waiting. I think they all come through together through the back. Again, just to be clear with everybody, it's not in the house.

It's in like a foyer, like a walkway. Walkway, like a courtyard area near the house, correct? So, that's what you meant by in. They're not inside the house, they're outside. Okay, and then in your theory, what takes place now in this horrific incident? When when they come down, the There's stairs. They have to go up and down these stairs. It's a long walkway. They're As they come down, they see Ron Goldman at the front talking to Nicole. They see that. Now, it's very dark. There's very little lighting there.

It's a very small space. I talked about this. Four angry people in a very dark space in a small space. Ron's there. They're unsuspecting. Nicole's got the menu like she's going to order food. She's barefoot. So, obviously she just came out of the house. He buzzed to come out. He's got the glasses and a white envelope. This was a big piece of the evidence. Okay? He's doing that. They're talking. Here come the bulls in the china shop. What do you got What's up? Whoa, they're startled at first.

They whoa, what's O.J., what are you doing here? Nicole hates him. hates him. hates him. So, imagine she sees him I don't know if she sees him holding a knife. Maybe. He's dressed with the gloves and the hat cuz they find it there. And there's two other guys or one guy with them. What's going on? You're not supposed to be here at all. And there's Ron there. And it's just awkward and a fight begins, an argument. And a gentleman hears this, Robert Heidstra. He hears it.

Parts of it. Cross the street in an alley. And And And the prosecution tried to not use them. Like you'll see all this cover-up from the prosecution. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's all there. And basically a fight breaks out. I do believe Nicole swung on O.J. O.J. O.J. And from that moment, there's no turning back. back. back. The other knife being used, I do believe there are two knives. I I do. Through the autopsy, through the evidence, I I do believe there's two people doing it.

And you believe, maybe just for just so everyone should just know this, the level of blood that was there and the maybe talk for a second just so everyone knows how uh my understanding is this Ron Goldman young man fought pretty valiantly if there's two or three dudes there. Absolutely. He did. I'm under My understanding also is Nicole was nearly decapitated. The wounds were so severe on her. Maybe that's not that's not that's not Maybe that's not true. Can you clarify that? that? that? Yeah, well, they exaggerate the decapitation thing a little bit.

Her spine was nicked, okay? It didn't go through the spine, okay? A lot of people try to say this it it's it Let's just say it's a nasty slice of the throat, okay? It's not a decapitation. The um Ron is attacked and and yes, he's stabbed over 20 times, okay? 25, somewhere in there. He is fighting. He has bruising on both his knuckles all both hands. There's bruising, abrasions. He's obviously punching. Now, when you look at O.J. Simpson, did O.J. have any marks on his face?

No. So, is he punching O.J. or is he punching somebody else? Why is there blood from somebody else at the crime scene? Again, more signs that there's someone else involved, okay? And yes, the blood is everywhere. You know, Nicole's feet are their her bare feet have no blood on them. There's a little spatter, I think, on maybe a part of her foot, but she's not standing in her blood, okay? So, she's down. She's always down on the ground, okay? Ron is not really standing in hers, either.

So, I do believe Ron was killed first. She's either knocked out, dazed, one guy's holding her down, right? He could be hitting her, but the the final cut is at the end when she's propped up on the stairs, because we have evidence of that. There's a wall of blood coming down a certain step. That's where she has to be. She's up on the stairs. And then her legs are underneath the gate. The gate's only like 6 in high. You could not get her legs under there if she's standing up.

She has to be laying down. So, he he yanks her hair back back back on the stairwell. The The The uh how definitive is it that there's a third-party's blood there? Uh Uh Uh absolutely. There's there's other blood at the crime scene and in the Bronco, 100%. 100%. 100%. Um just in the interest of time, I I'd rather just sit in the space for a minute and it's sort of a sacred place where these two beautiful people lost their lives, their lives, their lives, but we are doing a show here, so we're going to continue to progress through the scene.

I've always, you know, just for me personally, wondered this really young stud athletic Goldman guy, how one dude would be able to kill both of these very athletic people people people um um um not with a gun, but with a knife. You would just [snorts] think someone could have fleed or something, you know? So, it is a compelling idea that there were multiple people there. Now, we know from trial that on the way out, there's these footprints, as I understand it, from these unique shoes that O.J.

Simpson wears. You can discuss that. But also, are there other footprints leaving the scene that are not O.J.'s? Yes, there are. There's a 10 10 and 1/2 size parallel line print that Dr. Henry Lee and Barry Scheck talk about. They do a whole testimony on it, circle it. They call it the PLP, which means parallel line print. It's not O.J.'s. O.J. is a Z shape and he's a 12. They're different shoes. They're not close in size, they're not close in print, period. There's about four of the accomplices' shoes, whether those are Charlie's or the other gentleman.

I pretty much know who it is, but let's just leave it open. Those are walking to the back, also. So, you have O.J.'s shoes, the Bruno Magli, size 12, Z shape, clear prints. I mean, multiple clear prints. They never found his shoes. That's the problem. They never found these clothes, the shoes. They found the hat and the two gloves. One glove at Rockingham, one glove at Bundy. You see what I mean? They didn't find the evidence. So, they didn't [snorts] find the knife or knives, right?

So, there is Yes, there are shoe prints walking out of to the alley. Two two sets. sets. sets. Let's stay on the can't find the evidence. And I've heard two theories on that. The first theory is that it comes back in his duffel bag and Kardashian walks away from it when they're at the house house house when O.J. comes back. The other theory I've heard is that somebody saw him putting it in a trash can at LAX when he got out of the limo that night.

Have you Have you Have you which of those two or neither do you believe to be why they never found everything? My my theory with all of this is that the Kardashian bag was a garment bag. There's nothing in there, okay? Even I think Kim Kardashian said she went through it. I don't know if that's true, but I think I heard that. That's his clothes. He Robert Kardashian should never have been allowed to take that. Here's another bumbling by the LAPD, okay? This man just came back.

He's a murder suspect. You're Someone's grabbing his luggage? Like, it's insane. It's borderline insane. insane. insane. Um Um Um So, now Skip Junis says, "I saw O.J. sticking something in the garbage can." What I believe that is is the towel that O.J. used to wipe himself off at the house and possibly his boxer shorts, okay? That's what he's stuffing in the thing. But look, they said they searched all the trash cans at LAX. You can look it up. They said found nothing. So, I don't know what he's doing.

I do believe Skip Junis. I don't think he's making it up. up. up. And O.J. didn't want them Alan Park and Kato to touch this bag. That stuff could be in there. Absolutely. Because look, think of it this way. What's he going to do with the towel after he goes in and he's bloody in his house? He can't leave that towel there. there. there. He leaves the socks there. Whether those are planted from the hamper, we don't know. They don't see blood on those socks at first.

They don't think there's any blood. It comes weeks later. They go, "Oh, we found we found Nicole's blood." And then there's a whole drama about that. About the LAPD leaked a story with a woman named Tracy Savage because she was sleeping with him. Like again, it's this all this and this stuff didn't even get tested yet. It's crazy. It's crazy. And in your theory, I I suppose potentially this these other other man or other two men, they could have left with the evidence that Get rid of the clothes.

OJ does not take these clothes back to his property. As for the glove, there's a couple of theories. Did Mark Fuhrman plant the glove? Did he take it from the crime scene? Did he put it in the Bronco first? And then when Kato says, "I heard" Then he goes, "Oh, I'll be right back." And then he takes the glove out of the Bronco and he puts it behind the house. We don't know. Are there other people jumping the fence when when OJ's coming back? They're all scrambling back to the property cuz their car's there?

I don't know. These are There's a couple things I I don't have the answers to. But But But I think every answer I think it makes the story somewhat more credible. So many of you have asked how to see me speak live and for the first time ever, you can come see me speak live in person. All of my speeches have been private events, but now I'm teaming up with Life Surge speaking all over the country. Life Surge is a one-day faith-based event where you'll walk in hungry for success and you'll leave ready to build your resources to leave an impact on others.

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There will be a link in the show notes, so click through and take some time to join us. Cities are being added all the time, so if you don't see one near you now, check back. I hope to see you there. Let me Let me parse a couple things here. So, now OJ gets back. By the way, why don't you at this point Do you say he's passed away? Do you want to give us the name of who you think the second guy is? I can say his name cuz it's out there.

Joey Ippolito. Joey Ippolito. He He's a He's a rough dude, is what you're saying. Mafia, hardcore drug smuggler, killer, absolutely. absolutely. absolutely. So, Joey Ippolito and this other guy and OJ or or just the two of them get back in OJ's Bronco and they've got to get back to OJ's house. While this murder is happening, the limo driver has already arrived at OJ's house. Just so everybody get the timing. Also, because I'm from that area, you should just let everybody know how close it is back to OJ's house.

And then And then And then take us through that. How quick's the drive? And then what do you believe takes place next? OJ does drive the vehicle. The one guy or two guys are passengers, we'll say that. He almost hits Jill Shively, crashes through San Vicente, lights off. This is a very famous story. She sees him, gets the license plate. This is about 10:50 p.m. It's the proper time. It all lines up. They race back lights off, which is insane. I just did this drive yesterday.

drive yesterday. drive yesterday. He drives about 2-3 minutes to Rockingham, and he's up there and he parks on a side street. He's cannot pull up to the the house. He cannot. OJ's dropped off. dropped off. dropped off. Whichever way he comes in, does he come through the front gate? Does he jump the fence? Does he go through through the two tennis courts? In his book, he says he comes through the tennis courts around the back of the house. That's what he says. We don't know, okay?

The blood droplets kind of lead from the gate to the house. He could have come through the front gate, dropped him off there. The Bronco is not parked at all. at all. at all. Okay? It is being held on another street with the evidence in it. OJ comes back quickly, comes in the house. Alan Park says I saw an all an all an all uh uh 6-ft black man dressed in all black clothing. I think it's his skin. I don't think he's dressed. He's stripped down.

He's not seeing him in any clothes, okay? Maybe black boxers and black black black Limo driver, everybody. The limo driver, Alan Park. Very key witness, as was Kato Kaelin, because they're together when OJ reenters the house. Literally, he sees Kato at the same time he sees OJ in the driveway. He won't say OJ, though. He keeps saying a 6-ft black man. So, that's something he has to address the rest of his life, okay? And OJ rushes in, then he's still buzzing at the gate, and he finally answers and says, "Oh, I overslept.

I'll be right down." Showering. I don't even know if he showers. showers. showers. He says he took a shower. To me, I think he just cleans up. I don't think he showers. showers. showers. They do find blood in the sink drain, but not in the pipe, supposedly. Whatever. In the bathroom sink drain, they find a blood. I think he has enough time to shower. So, he's racing to dry himself off, put on a band-aid to his cut left middle finger, right? finger, right? finger, right? And now he's coming down like nothing happened.

After mode. He's a little out of breath. They talk about that. Little sweaty. sweaty. sweaty. Like look like he's a little frazzled. And then he starts loading the limousine. limousine. limousine. And And And the limo pulls away and that's when the Bronco comes back and it's parked when they're gone. they're gone. they're gone. So these guys were in the Bronco. Just because you said blood, I just want to ask you two blood questions cuz it's evidence. Whose blood was found in his sink and whose blood was eventually found in the Bronco?

OJ's blood is found in the sink. Okay, what about the Bronco? The Bronco, all of their blood. Now watch. Ron, Nicole, OJ, and OJ, and OJ, and the other accomplice. There's four different blood samples. The steering wheel steering column is OJ tells you this in his Ross Becker interview. He says there was blood on the steering wheel that didn't come back to me, Ron, or Nicole. I I I offer whose blood was that? Cuz he's trying to tell you, he knows through all the evidence. And this was after he was acquitted, so he could speak.

You know what I mean? He He could tell you now. That was the first interview. It's a fascinating interview. People should watch the Ross Becker interview and and there's the BET one he does, one in England. He does a few over the years and he tells you. And then he tells you and and if I did it, he had help. You just didn't want to believe him. And the media was somewhat forced to block the story. Why is the media forced to block the story? In in 2006 because the Goldmans, when OJ does the book in the interview, the Goldmans get so mad, they write Rupert Murdoch and Fox, and Rupert fires Judith Regan and shelves the interview.

The book is kind of shelved, but it kind of comes out, but that interview is never seen for 12 years. years. years. Remember that. Okay, so I guess we should go to now he's in Chicago. They call him back. It is important cuz not everybody knows these details. You referenced it earlier. He has a pretty significant wound on him. And what's the story for where this wound came from? Cuz he had to come up with this ex- explanation for that. And he's I mean, he's still bleeding.

If you look at the photo when he comes back 12 hours later, it's over 12 hours after the murders, he is still bleeding. It's crazy. It's on his left middle finger. middle finger. middle finger. Now, there's two theories. Mark Fuhrman thought the dog bit him. That's viable, right? The dog's barking, the dog witnesses the murders. The dog's name was Kato, named after Kato Kaelin. The doctor says these are glass shards, okay? Huizenga, who was O.J.'s doctor, there's a couple little cuts there. And O.J. says he broke the glass in the sink in Chicago, so that's where he says it comes from.

comes from. comes from. What I believe happened is he is hit with a knife on his finger. Whether it's himself himself himself or it's the other assailant, when they're swinging his hand is either on Ron's neck or grabbing his hair, and he gets popped. gets popped. gets popped. That's what I believe that is. It just as a as a in the interest of protecting everybody involved here. You said earlier that you're you're 90% sure these two guys are involved, but you're 100% sure at least one of them is involved with them.

And I I know this is obvious, but I just want to take this for the record cuz this is your story, it's not mine. You're 100% sure about O.J.'s involvement. 100%. involvement. 100%. involvement. 100%. So, he gets back, we'll go to the house just really quick again and put a bow on this. O.J. gets back to the house. The theory is Kato says he hears a thump on the guest house that he's in, right? Yeah. That's weird to me, but I've always thought that was odd.

A signal because the way Kato says it in in the very beginning he makes a noise like oh somebody hit the wall and it was like Then when he's in the trial he goes He makes it very deliberate as if someone's signaling that him. Now whether he's thinking straight I don't know. He messes up a couple times in the trial like well the lights were off. Oh no they were on. He's like he's trying to help OJ like he he doesn't know what to say. So he's getting He's trying to give different answers.

I believe believe believe I think OJ came behind the house and signaled for Kato to come out. I could be wrong. be wrong. be wrong. He's not crashing in any air conditioner. OJ knows the property like the back of his hand. He's not crashing in anything. I think he's saying to come out and distract the limousine driver. I can't prove it. Kato will not talk to me. He will not address it at all. So I'm sticking with that for now that it that's it's it's a signal.

Okay. It could be A or B bump or signal. Okay. So just a couple things have always bothered me about this whole story. This is compelling what you're saying and if this evidence you've described is accurate it's mind-blowing that the world doesn't know this. It's mind-blowing that they got through an entire the most public trial in the history of our country and that many of these things the first time most human beings are hearing this is right now. That's mind-blowing to me number one. Number two there was little parts of everything I just always thought I thought I I you know be candid I I thought OJ did it right?

But I I was around that so I saw it but this idea of the glove not fitting you know if it doesn't fit you must acquit. That part to me never bugged me. What bugged me was how the heck does one glove end up at OJ's house? That just seems weird to me. It it it's bizarre like can you address your thing I have two thoughts on it. One One One How'd he bring one club over there, right? There's a part of me that's like there's no way that's true, but then there's another part of me that thinks in the heat of the moment Fuhrman's not going to take a glove and plant it cuz he's not 100% sure OJ did it.

So why would you then go hide or move evidence that early? Not even knowing you got the right guy, not knowing what happened. You could lose your entire career by putting that glove there maybe unnecessarily. So both of those sort of just I don't I can't I can't get my mind around it. There's two theories. I'm going to give you both and I'm going to leave a little cliffhanger for these other guys to do their theory because there's some other people working on this right now that are bringing up some good points about how that glove got back there.

The first theory is the Stephen singular theory which was legacy of deception. He was instrumental. He was a reporter from Colorado source said you need to look at the glove, the blood, the bag and the stick. And he wrote a book called legacy of deception. of deception. of deception. He told the prosecution softly. They wanted nothing to do with them. He went to the defense. He says Mark Fuhrman takes the glove from the crime scene and puts it in the Bronco. Okay? Okay? Okay? He knows OJ's involved.

He know he is he knows he is. He knows it's Nicole. He knows where he is. He lies and says oh I didn't know it was Nicole till like 6:00 in the morning. That he knew exactly who it was. They they saw the pictures of OJ in the house. They knew who it was. Mark Fuhrman has a history of planting evidence. evidence. evidence. Okay? Period. Provable end of story. Did crazy things. He he made the Mark Fuhrman tapes. He talked about this. Then he tried to backpedal and said oh it was all for a movie.

Okay, sure. This is the theme of everybody. They're all got like two they're always flip-flopping, okay? flip-flopping, okay? flip-flopping, okay? So, he says he puts it in the Bronco with first and leaves it in there. When when he interviews Kato and Kato goes, "I heard something. There was there an earthquake?" I heard something in the back of my wall. Mark Fuhrman leaves him for 15 minutes and nobody knows where Mark Fuhrman is. Even Van Atter and Lang and I think Ron Phillips is there. They're not they don't know where Fuhrman is.

They're still with Arnelle and Kato. Fuhrman disappears for 15 minutes. That's why F. Lee Bailey and the other lawyers, they tried to say every minute what's he doing? doing? doing? See Stephen Singular's theory is he goes to the Bronco, he has a stick that he pulled from a fence, he picks up the glove, whether he has it in evidence bag or he just walks it in the back and drops it there. And he puts it there. Now, that's the first theory. Okay? The second theory is a new set of people are working on that they believe I don't want to say too much.

They believe that glove falls out of something not by O.J. doing that. That someone else dropped it. That's up to them. I need to leave that open. I can't talk too much about it. I just don't know the the glove being there is one of the more bizarre parts of the entire trial to me. No, it's I mean it makes me crazy. Yeah, me too. And yet at the same time I'm thinking Fuhrman's taken a pretty huge risk doing that that night not knowing all of the elements.

You have to listen to the Fuhrman tapes. He planted evidence on other men before. Marcia Clark knew he was a cop. They knew they warned her. warned her. warned her. Don't use him. Remember what Stephen Singular is saying and I knew Stephen, he passed away. What he's trying to say is Mark wants to be in the center of the case. So, what better way for him to find the glove? Okay. Okay. He injects himself right into it. into it. into it. Why is uh couple things by the way this is just fascinating and thank you for the information.

I don't have I've been The sad thing is the funny thing is see you don't know about this because the media is blocking the story. That's why you don't know. Even though I've been screaming from the mountaintop for 5 years and there's stuff at all the major outlets and they refuse to tell the story. story. story. Why though? So everything I always look at is like okay why would Furman put the glove over there? Like realistically. Why did they not pay attention to the blood evidence at the scene?

Why would the media now 30 years later why would they block this? Or do they just not believe it? Do they just be as simple as they don't believe it? We could give them partial partially that out. Right? We could say hey they don't believe Chris Todd. They don't believe this Charlie guy. Problem is did you talk to Charlie? Did you do any investigation? Cuz if you did you'd see it. See I'm not calling them lazy. What I'm saying and and I used other people to do it not just me cuz I had to prove they're not just mad at me.

They blocked everybody else too. All of them. They blocked them all. I believe what they're doing is it's a paradigm they don't want to change it. Right? It's kind of like JFK. You got the museums they don't want to change Lee Harvey Oswald. So if you say oh I know who the shooter was on the grassy knoll they don't want to hear it. They don't they don't want to hear it. So and this goes to the truth and I talk about Copernicus and the stories of you know when people speak a truth I'm not going to say Jesus that's way out of my league but when they speak a truth that nobody wants an inconvenient truth they they shun it.

They get rid of it. It so it's not a weird it's not that weird. You know what I mean? Well the inconvenient truth is you're leading me where I want to go. I don't want to go into the trial because, you know, I've done enough reading on the trial about, you know, I it even after jury selection, I don't think O.J. was going to be convicted. I don't think I think the legal team was tremendous. Um Chris Darden seems like a nice guy. Marcia, you have your theories about them.

I don't even want to cover that. I it it looked like the deck was stacked and obviously I think even in retrospect Marcia or Darden would probably tell you they do some things differently for sure. I've actually I've actually seen Chris Darden say that. I want to go after the trial. So, there's obviously most people don't know this, but there's a civil trial afterwards cuz most people think O.J. was innocent. He got off or wasn't innocent, but he was found Right, he was acquitted, right? Well, yeah, but then there was a civil trial.

Why don't you just refresh everybody's memory what happened there because this is valid and then on top of that Chris, why would he then do these interviews and write a book if I did it? What was his motivation for doing Was it just money? money? money? Why did he do it? [clears throat] So, talk about the civil and also O.J. would even afterwards do all this, which is just bizarre. just bizarre. just bizarre. The civil trial, he is found guilty, the preponderance of evidence, 51% whatever you want to say.

He does long depositions. He speaks, he sings for days. They got him in there for like 7-8 days in the deposition. He's wearing his different sweaters. You can see by the different days by his clothing. He's there forever. He's talking. You can't You can't pinch him. One of his lawyers told him not to talk. And and he said, "No, I'm going to." And I know the lawyer personally. He's a good guy. good guy. good guy. He told him, "Don't say a word." Let's just go to it, but O.J.

tried to talk himself out of it and he lost. So, that was a $33 million judgment for the Browns and the Goldmans together that he was found responsible for their murders. He never paid a dime. What he did was they liquidated some of his stuff and I'm going to call out one of his friends right now. Um they got about 300 grand from things in his house. You know what OJ's friends decided to do? They decided to take the real jerseys and switch them with fake jerseys and rub dirt on them and pretend they were the jerseys and grab footballs and scuff them up in the driveway and then pretend those were the real ones and then that guy stole all the stuff.

I heard that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're disturbing. Everybody around OJ is a scumbag. Anyone that ever interacted him with him after the murders was a scumbag. Period. End of story. I can prove it 20 different ways from Sunday. So it's disturbing. Like he never pays. He goes, "I won't work." Okay, now now let's move on. He does interviews right away. Ross Becker, bang. I they probably paid him a million dollars. I don't know how much they paid him. He did BET. He flew out to England.

He did Judy Finnigan. He did that one. He does others. Ruby Wax. He does Chris Myers with the ESPN. He wants to talk to you. Mhm. He wants to talk. Nicole used to always joke about it. There he goes again, large head talking again. He was a talker. a talker. a talker. And if And look, I will never be on a level of OJ's popularity. I brought up myself from nothing. I've had some notoriety. notoriety. notoriety. It's addictive. It is. When I'm not Sometimes I'm like, "Oh, man, I got to get back to those levels I was a few years ago." years ago." years ago." You want to go back and I knew OJ would come forward eventually and he did 12 years later.

In 2006, he decided to tell his story. And he did. He just didn't say Charlie's last name. He told you there's an accomplice. You didn't listen. didn't listen. didn't listen. You didn't want to believe him. And then nobody investigated this. It was easily investigated, easily. So if I did it, the book that O.J. wrote, I believe is what it's called, and it was pulled. Do you believe that that is an actual confession not some parody or novel? That is that is a cryptic confession and all he does is say this is purely hypothetical.

And when he does that, if you really look at his face, you could tell he's lying. It's not hypothetical. hypothetical. hypothetical. Now whether the Charlie guy represents both of the guys or the Charlie guy represents it's a fake name for the other gentleman, like they're blaming each other and they don't want to say his real name. Charlie's a term like Charlie don't surf, you know, Charlie company. It's it's a term, okay? So it's not like that has to be a person, right? People thought it was O.J.'s alter ego.

That's what they really thought it was. That's what Darden says, I think Charlie's O.J. And look, he's not wrong. It's not a bad thought. But my question and challenges to all of you is why didn't you look at it? If he said it in '06 and he wrote it in a book, why didn't you investigate every single Charlie he knew? Why didn't you look at every piece of evidence again? Why not? That's why O.J. says too, this was the greatest murder case in history. Why didn't they really look at it?

I find it curious. There'll never be another O.J. again. He was a genius and I hate to say it like that. What he did on this afterwards is complete brilliance. complete brilliance. complete brilliance. Okay? Not in a good way, but a lot of brilliant people are sometimes evil. And again everybody just for my audience, you know, this is Chris's evidence. I I I don't I haven't been able to validate whether the there was multiple blood at the scene and the footprints and all of that. But, I've seen enough of this and just in all candor, my honest just wondered why I did it.

I've had protect them, too, but there's a significant person in O.J.'s legal team that I had some very late-night extended wine with. Oh, okay. Um Cool. Uh Cool. Uh Cool. Uh many of the things that Chris is saying, I had heard elsewhere. That's just what I'll leave that. And so, that doesn't mean it's accurate. I'm not pulling the two things together. I'm just telling you that I wouldn't have had Chris on if it was the first time I had heard any of these things. Now, some of the things Chris says is the first time I've heard them.

But, some of them aren't. And I'll just kind of leave it at that. Let me ask you a question. I've always been fascinated with with um what it would be like to be to be to be O.J. Simpson now the rest of my life after I know I've likely killed these two human beings. And I'm wondering if you have any insider information. How did he live out the rest of his life? I mean, we know he went to jail and all that again, but did he carry guilt?

Did he ever share with people privately how he felt? Like, what's the profile on this guy as he's aging and facing mortality? Do you have any insight into anything about him at that point in his Absolutely. I know people that knew him personally over the years. I knew a couple different PIs that knew him. Um family members I've spoken a lot of people from this case. You know, if you look at O.J. right after the acquittal, he used to talk to people outside his house at Rockingham eating a a donut.

He didn't care. This is a narcissist. He's He's He's happy. happy. happy. He's not paying child support anymore. He's not paying alimony. He says he never had alimony, whatever. He doesn't have that headache. Yeah. Is he going to bed at night sad that the mother of his children is gone? Probably. I'm sure he's human, right? But he kept living normal. normal. normal. Now, supposedly, he had a reality show. He did a graphic video with a woman that he ripped the cameras out of the room. This is a funny story that they offered him a million dollars to do a adult movie.

He showed up, classic O.J., and said, "Yeah, I'm going to do it." And he ripped the cameras out of the room. They had the audio only. And so And so And so he, I think, O.J. became a criminal after this, right? He started to hang out with all these hustler types. The Vegas robbery happens, he's with a bunch of creepy guys. They're bringing guns to rob rob rob what? Footballs and jerseys and a picture of Nicole. Why do you need a gun? You don't. They They robbed Alfred Beardsley and Bruce Fromong, who you could push over with your two fingers, okay?

Like, there's there's no need. I think he was lost. I think he was cursed by what he did, right? And I've seen mediums talk about Nicole punishing him and sending the the the Christie Prody, who was the Nicole look-alike. She looked exactly like Nicole. Look at O.J.'s girlfriend. It's creepy. I mean, very similar. And she was They both were into drugs, and she's off the rails, and he, you know, he also had hid money. He was given deals. He had an internet show he was going to do.

He was one of the first people to do an internet show. If you look it up on MN1. So, he was living his life hiding money, not giving it to the Goldmans and the Browns. People would put his house in a different name. Nothing was in his name. Somebody gave him a Bentley. Like, there's all this different stuff. So, he, I think, did the best he could to make as much money as he could. He had a pension, 20 grand a year, a month. So, but I think he was always haunted.

And he told people over the years, "I should have just got on my plane. He tells Jeff Felix in jail two drug dealers came to my house the night of the murders, too. Jeff writes it in the book. I met Jeff and he also tells it in the Ed Opferman interview. Go listen to it, people. So, OJ was telling us no one can keep that secret. Come on. No one can. And And even people close to OJ, they couldn't keep the secret, either. either. either. They've called me at midnight threatening me, saying a bunch of stuff.

And then I'd catch them lying about the evidence and they'd hang up. And you know, I I basically look, I beat these people. I beat the dream team. And I'm not saying it in a arrogant way. It's just the truth. I beat all these people. I beat them. I met Barry Scheck. I met Bob Shapiro. Shapiro said a nice thing about me once. Chris Darden sent me nasty texts. nasty texts. nasty texts. I beat all of you. It doesn't matter. Now, did I get lucky? Was I in the right place at the right time?

Sure, a little bit. bit. bit. Well, so was Gary Webb. So was Woodward and Bernstein. Okay? So, that's just my piece and I'm you know, I'm glad you let me kind of say it this way. Well, I'm glad I I again, I just wanted the audience you make up your own mind. I just asked the questions today at the ones that I would hope that many of you would ask. The other thing I want to say, too, about Chris is this is not like, you know, his first rodeo.

And so, there's he's done work on the Kurt Cobain situation that you guys can go get. You want to tell them about that? And And also, Biggie Smalls as well. That's a fascinating case. Like, you're you pick the Biggies after this OJ thing. So, tell them a little bit about the work you're doing. you're doing. you're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I'm doing JonBenét Ramsey right now and they people can watch my interview on Cinema Els TV. Els TV. Els TV. I have a lot of my interviews over there.

The Biggie I did a Biggie deep dive interview. I do believe that is a fake news story about the killer. I do believe those killers are still alive on Biggie Smalls and I do believe I can prove it. Um that's been censored again. Most of my stuff gets kind of censored. It's not a pity party. I'm just telling you facts, period. Um Um Um I I helped the guy who witnessed Kurt Cobain get murdered. His name is Joseph Burns. He had the courage to come forward and to tell his story of what he saw that night and that's called to Kurt, I'm sorry.

And I encourage people to reward him for his his courage um and his bravery. And uh Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide. suicide. suicide. Um that story also the media has repeatedly blocked me for the last 2 and 1/2 years and that's okay. Like I said, I'm not I'm going to get them out. I will beat them. They're not going to stop me. Okay? And uh the book is selling okay, but there's no real press about it yet. So um I encourage your readers to check out it if you like that.

Now remember, Kurt Cobain his death was 2 months before OJ's case. So these are both in 1994. And Kurt's was brushed under the rug because OJ happened in June. Kurt's was in uh April. So it's it's fascinating and Biggie's was in '97. So it's kind of yeah. You're making me feel old by the way, but uh I got to tell you and the audience everybody I you make up your own minds. I just wanted to have the interesting story on them today. I think you'd agree with me that there's enough in here that was worthy of at least a conversation.

And it certainly is uh it fills in some gaps if you um believe what Chris is saying. And if you don't, I asked you the questions and you've come to your conclusion, but either way Chris, um I know you've taken a lot of arrows over the work you do and very grateful that you take the time to share your work with us, your beliefs and um I'd at least want to leave it open where you can send people where to find you cuz this is everything about Chris is sort of like hidden cuz he's a PI, but where where can they go and find anything you wanted to find about you or your work?

Yeah, sure. Yeah, and I I really appreciate it. God bless you and everything you do and um, I most of my books are on a website called silvercoastpros.com, called silvercoastpros.com, called silvercoastpros.com, pros like professionals, silvercoastpros.com. silvercoastpros.com. silvercoastpros.com. And then I I invite people to write me. My my one of my emails is hopscotchfree101@gmail. Just hopscotchfree all one word and then the numbers 101@gmail. And there's other ways. My phone number's online. My door is always open. Anyone can contact me. I always respond to people and um, I'm grateful for the people that have helped me.

I usually have one or two civilian types on every case I have and I want to give a shout-out to those people a little bit for helping me over the years. So, um, yeah, God bless your show and I I give a lot of glory to what I've done and the gifts I've been given to God and Jesus and I want to thank you for that opportunity. opportunity. opportunity. God bless you, brother. Hey, everybody. Told you'd be an interesting hour. Not like the normal hour. This is a different path today and I bet you're talking about it.

I bet you share this one with your spouse, your boyfriend or your girlfriend. Let's have a conversation about it. It's worth it. It's one of the most important moments, moments, moments, most compelling moments in American history of the last 50 years and uh, this shed some new light at least for some people. All right, everybody. God bless you.