What You Were Never Told About the O. J. Simpson Case Feat. Chris Todd

one of the two or three most compelling one of the two or three most compelling stories is the O.J. Simpson trial. stories is the O.J. Simpson trial. stories is the O.J. Simpson trial. And some information came across my desk And some information came across my desk And some information came across my desk from somebody that has a theory as to from somebody that has a theory as to from somebody that has a theory as to [music] exactly what happened [music] exactly what happened [music] exactly what happened in the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson in the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson in the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman and Ron Goldman and Ron Goldman that I thought was interesting enough that I thought was interesting enough that I thought was interesting enough that I wanted to share with you. I know that I wanted to share with you. I know that I wanted to share with you. I know 150% 150% 150% that O.J. did not do this alone. O.J. that O.J. did not do this alone. O.J. that O.J. did not do this alone. O.J. did it, he had help, and there was a lot did it, he had help, and there was a lot did it, he had help, and there was a lot of evidence. There was other shoe prints of evidence. There was other shoe prints of evidence. There was other shoe prints and blood there. There were other and blood there. There were other and blood there. There were other fingerprints. There was blood DNA in the fingerprints. There was blood DNA in the fingerprints. There was blood DNA in the Bronco and at the murder scene that did Bronco and at the murder scene that did Bronco and at the murder scene that did not match O.J., Ron, or Nicole. not match O.J., Ron, or Nicole. not match O.J., Ron, or Nicole. It's a cover-up. It's a cover-up. It's a cover-up. They don't want to hear that there's two They don't want to hear that there's two They don't want to hear that there's two knives. This thing was rooted right in knives. This thing was rooted right in knives. This thing was rooted right in the beginning with cover-up right away. the beginning with cover-up right away. the beginning with cover-up right away. You said he's passed away. [music] Do You said he's passed away. [music] Do You said he's passed away. [music] Do you want to give us the name of who you you want to give us the name of who you you want to give us the name of who you think the second guy is? think the second guy is? think the second guy is? Mafia, hardcore drug smuggler, killer. Mafia, hardcore drug smuggler, killer. Mafia, hardcore drug smuggler, killer. If he was still alive today, I would not If he was still alive today, I would not If he was still alive today, I would not be talking to you. I can say his name be talking to you. I can say his name be talking to you. I can say his name cuz it's out there. cuz it's out there. cuz it's out there. If this evidence you've described is If this evidence you've described is If this evidence you've described is accurate, the most public trial accurate, the most public trial accurate, the most public trial in the history of our country in the history of our country in the history of our country and that many of these things, the first and that many of these things, the first and that many of these things, the first time most human beings are hearing this time most human beings are hearing this time most human beings are hearing this is right [music] now. It's mind-blowing is right [music] now. It's mind-blowing is right [music] now. It's mind-blowing that the world doesn't know this. See, that the world doesn't know this. See, that the world doesn't know this. See, you don't know about this because the you don't know about this because the you don't know about this because the media's blocking the story, even though media's blocking the story, even though media's blocking the story, even though I've been screaming from the mountaintop I've been screaming from the mountaintop I've been screaming from the mountaintop for 5 years and they refuse to tell the for 5 years and they refuse to tell the for 5 years and they refuse to tell the story. All right, welcome back to the show, All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. So, you know for the last 10 everybody. So, you know for the last 10 everybody. So, you know for the last 10 years, every single week we've been years, every single week we've been years, every single week we've been putting out episodes that either change putting out episodes that either change putting out episodes that either change or improve your life, and that's why or improve your life, and that's why or improve your life, and that's why we've become one of the top shows in the we've become one of the top shows in the we've become one of the top shows in the world. And I'm very grateful for that, world. And I'm very grateful for that, world. And I'm very grateful for that, and I hope we continue to do that for and I hope we continue to do that for and I hope we continue to do that for the next 10 years. the next 10 years. the next 10 years. But this year, every once in a while, I But this year, every once in a while, I But this year, every once in a while, I want to do something that's a little bit want to do something that's a little bit want to do something that's a little bit off the beaten path for our show, which off the beaten path for our show, which off the beaten path for our show, which is to have a topic on the show that just is to have a topic on the show that just is to have a topic on the show that just fascinates me personally. And in my fascinates me personally. And in my fascinates me personally. And in my lifetime, one of the two or three most lifetime, one of the two or three most lifetime, one of the two or three most compelling stories, the things that just compelling stories, the things that just compelling stories, the things that just stand out as moments in time that I'll stand out as moments in time that I'll stand out as moments in time that I'll never forget is the O.J. Simpson trial. never forget is the O.J. Simpson trial. never forget is the O.J. Simpson trial. And some information came across my desk And some information came across my desk And some information came across my desk about 6 months ago from somebody that about 6 months ago from somebody that about 6 months ago from somebody that has a theory as to exactly what happened has a theory as to exactly what happened has a theory as to exactly what happened in the murders of Nicole Simpson, Nicole in the murders of Nicole Simpson, Nicole in the murders of Nicole Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman that I thought was interesting enough that I thought was interesting enough that I thought was interesting enough that I wanted to share it with you. that I wanted to share it with you. that I wanted to share it with you. And so today we're going to have a And so today we're going to have a And so today we're going to have a conversation with him. And we haven't conversation with him. And we haven't conversation with him. And we haven't recorded it yet. We're about to go into recorded it yet. We're about to go into recorded it yet. We're about to go into it. it. it. And I just want to be clear. I'm not a And I just want to be clear. I'm not a And I just want to be clear. I'm not a detective. I'm not in law enforcement. detective. I'm not in law enforcement. detective. I'm not in law enforcement. I'm not an attorney. And I don't claim I'm not an attorney. And I don't claim I'm not an attorney. And I don't claim to know what happened exactly uh to know what happened exactly uh to know what happened exactly uh in the loss of life for these two in the loss of life for these two in the loss of life for these two precious souls. But he believes he does. precious souls. But he believes he does. precious souls. But he believes he does. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going And so what I'm going to do is I'm going And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask the questions that I think you to ask the questions that I think you to ask the questions that I think you would want me to ask. would want me to ask. would want me to ask. And I think it's going to be one of the And I think it's going to be one of the And I think it's going to be one of the most interesting, fascinating episodes most interesting, fascinating episodes most interesting, fascinating episodes of all time on the show. And then you of all time on the show. And then you of all time on the show. And then you can decide what you think happened. And can decide what you think happened. And can decide what you think happened. And so can I at the end of the conversation. so can I at the end of the conversation. so can I at the end of the conversation. And so And so And so I'll work on your behalf to get as much I'll work on your behalf to get as much I'll work on your behalf to get as much information as I can and keep it as information as I can and keep it as information as I can and keep it as entertaining as possible. entertaining as possible. entertaining as possible. I hope you enjoy this. Here we go. I hope you enjoy this. Here we go. I hope you enjoy this. Here we go. All right, guys. So I've already sort of All right, guys. So I've already sort of All right, guys. So I've already sort of introduced the episode today. So let me introduced the episode today. So let me introduced the episode today. So let me just introduce the person. I'm going to just introduce the person. I'm going to just introduce the person. I'm going to talk to Chris Todd. Chris is a veteran talk to Chris Todd. Chris is a veteran talk to Chris Todd. Chris is a veteran PI. He's been a private investigator a PI. He's been a private investigator a PI. He's been a private investigator a long time. But he's just one of the long time. But he's just one of the long time. But he's just one of the great truth seekers great truth seekers great truth seekers uh in the world today. Whether that be uh in the world today. Whether that be uh in the world today. Whether that be what happened with Kurt Cobain or Biggie what happened with Kurt Cobain or Biggie what happened with Kurt Cobain or Biggie Smalls Smalls Smalls or what we're going to talk about today or what we're going to talk about today or what we're going to talk about today mainly, which is O.J. Simpson and the mainly, which is O.J. Simpson and the mainly, which is O.J. Simpson and the O.J. Simpson trial. And I got to tell O.J. Simpson trial. And I got to tell O.J. Simpson trial. And I got to tell you, Chris, first welcome to the show, you, Chris, first welcome to the show, you, Chris, first welcome to the show, brother. Good to have you here. brother. Good to have you here. brother. Good to have you here. Thank you, man. I'm honored to be here Thank you, man. I'm honored to be here Thank you, man. I'm honored to be here with you, Adam. Thank you. I should tell with you, Adam. Thank you. I should tell with you, Adam. Thank you. I should tell you first in the audience why I have you first in the audience why I have you first in the audience why I have such an interest in this. Obviously, such an interest in this. Obviously, such an interest in this. Obviously, it's one of the it's one of the it's one of the you know, most compelling stories of my you know, most compelling stories of my you know, most compelling stories of my lifetime. lifetime. lifetime. But I have to tell you, I haven't told But I have to tell you, I haven't told But I have to tell you, I haven't told you this until I wanted to record. you this until I wanted to record. you this until I wanted to record. This trial and what happened to This trial and what happened to This trial and what happened to particularly Nicole particularly Nicole particularly Nicole matters to me because matters to me because matters to me because I was fresh out of college and my I was fresh out of college and my I was fresh out of college and my business partner in my first business business partner in my first business business partner in my first business was dating Nicole's sister at the time was dating Nicole's sister at the time was dating Nicole's sister at the time the murder happened. And so I spent time the murder happened. And so I spent time the murder happened. And so I spent time around the family during the trial. around the family during the trial. around the family during the trial. Wow. a little insight into what the Wow. a little insight into what the Wow. a little insight into what the family was thinking initially as well. family was thinking initially as well. family was thinking initially as well. And so this is not just something that I And so this is not just something that I And so this is not just something that I watched on TV, it's something that I was watched on TV, it's something that I was watched on TV, it's something that I was at least in a peripheral way around the at least in a peripheral way around the at least in a peripheral way around the trial trial trial and a little bit around the family. And and a little bit around the family. And and a little bit around the family. And so I'm really interested in to hear what so I'm really interested in to hear what so I'm really interested in to hear what you've discovered or what your theories you've discovered or what your theories you've discovered or what your theories are. Before you tell us what they are, are. Before you tell us what they are, are. Before you tell us what they are, on a scale of 1 to 100, how sure are you on a scale of 1 to 100, how sure are you on a scale of 1 to 100, how sure are you that what you're about to share with us that what you're about to share with us that what you're about to share with us is accurate? Is it Is it a 90? Is it a is accurate? Is it Is it a 90? Is it a is accurate? Is it Is it a 90? Is it a 52? How sure are you? 52? How sure are you? 52? How sure are you? I would say it's a 90 and the reason I I would say it's a 90 and the reason I I would say it's a 90 and the reason I leave that little 10% is because, you leave that little 10% is because, you leave that little 10% is because, you know, I've dealt with a lot of know, I've dealt with a lot of know, I've dealt with a lot of accomplices and accomplices and accomplices and and criminals, let's say. and criminals, let's say. and criminals, let's say. And And And >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> you have to be careful what you believe >> you have to be careful what you believe >> you have to be careful what you believe from what they say. So I always leave from what they say. So I always leave from what they say. So I always leave I'll leave you like 10% I'll leave you like 10% I'll leave you like 10% that and we're going to get into that and we're going to get into that and we're going to get into something interesting today that I'm something interesting today that I'm something interesting today that I'm going to talk about that there's going to talk about that there's going to talk about that there's actually another person involved with actually another person involved with actually another person involved with them that took me a long time to really them that took me a long time to really them that took me a long time to really kind of that. So it's a fascinating kind of that. So it's a fascinating kind of that. So it's a fascinating story. My journey is is is beyond story. My journey is is is beyond story. My journey is is is beyond comprehension. And you know, all glory comprehension. And you know, all glory comprehension. And you know, all glory to God in a way of how I was to God in a way of how I was to God in a way of how I was brought into this. And we can get into brought into this. And we can get into brought into this. And we can get into that stuff, you know, as we go. I might that stuff, you know, as we go. I might that stuff, you know, as we go. I might know who your friend is that probably know who your friend is that probably know who your friend is that probably did I won't say his name, but I think I did I won't say his name, but I think I did I won't say his name, but I think I might know who that is. Off camera I'll might know who that is. Off camera I'll might know who that is. Off camera I'll share that with you, but share that with you, but share that with you, but not relative to the story, but I want to not relative to the story, but I want to not relative to the story, but I want to protect those folks as well, but protect those folks as well, but protect those folks as well, but start out by asking you most of us that start out by asking you most of us that start out by asking you most of us that watched that trial, I'd say the majority watched that trial, I'd say the majority watched that trial, I'd say the majority of people that watched the trial of people that watched the trial of people that watched the trial eventually reached the conclusion that eventually reached the conclusion that eventually reached the conclusion that they believed that O.J. killed Ron they believed that O.J. killed Ron they believed that O.J. killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. Most of them all that I talked to though Most of them all that I talked to though Most of them all that I talked to though wonder whether he could have done this wonder whether he could have done this wonder whether he could have done this alone. And of course there's a alone. And of course there's a alone. And of course there's a percentage of people that still believe percentage of people that still believe percentage of people that still believe that maybe he didn't do it or they don't that maybe he didn't do it or they don't that maybe he didn't do it or they don't know. True. First of all, lay out for us know. True. First of all, lay out for us know. True. First of all, lay out for us what you believe. You have a book you what you believe. You have a book you what you believe. You have a book you wrote called Ron's Revenge. What you wrote called Ron's Revenge. What you wrote called Ron's Revenge. What you believe took place? Just a general believe took place? Just a general believe took place? Just a general overview of what happened to these two overview of what happened to these two overview of what happened to these two precious souls, who did it? Did they do precious souls, who did it? Did they do precious souls, who did it? Did they do it with someone else? Did they do it it with someone else? Did they do it it with someone else? Did they do it alone? Etc. alone? Etc. alone? Etc. Absolutely. And and um Absolutely. And and um Absolutely. And and um my original book was called if we did my original book was called if we did my original book was called if we did it. This was the beginning of this it. This was the beginning of this it. This was the beginning of this saga. After I kind of met one of the key saga. After I kind of met one of the key saga. After I kind of met one of the key players, let's say, players, let's say, players, let's say, um I I came forward against that person. um I I came forward against that person. um I I came forward against that person. Today I won't say their full name. I can Today I won't say their full name. I can Today I won't say their full name. I can say the actual name that OJ used, right? say the actual name that OJ used, right? say the actual name that OJ used, right? OJ kept calling him Charlie. So, that's OJ kept calling him Charlie. So, that's OJ kept calling him Charlie. So, that's in OJ's book, chapter 6 of If I Did It. in OJ's book, chapter 6 of If I Did It. in OJ's book, chapter 6 of If I Did It. And OJ supposedly had confessed And OJ supposedly had confessed And OJ supposedly had confessed cryptically to Judith Regan, to Fox. cryptically to Judith Regan, to Fox. cryptically to Judith Regan, to Fox. That interview was shelved for 12 years. That interview was shelved for 12 years. That interview was shelved for 12 years. It was barred from the public. Okay? It was barred from the public. Okay? It was barred from the public. Okay? The overview is because there's so much The overview is because there's so much The overview is because there's so much I mean, just the there's the I mean, I mean, just the there's the I mean, I mean, just the there's the I mean, this is 7 years of this is 7 years of this is 7 years of I saw things that I cannot even explain. I saw things that I cannot even explain. I saw things that I cannot even explain. So, So, So, basically, OJ didn't do it alone. Okay? basically, OJ didn't do it alone. Okay? basically, OJ didn't do it alone. Okay? And And And I know for a fact there's one person I know for a fact there's one person I know for a fact there's one person with him. There's possibly two people with him. There's possibly two people with him. There's possibly two people with him. Okay? That's with him. Okay? That's with him. Okay? That's where I leave that 10%. Okay? I know where I leave that 10%. Okay? I know where I leave that 10%. Okay? I know 150% 150% 150% that OJ did not do this alone. that OJ did not do this alone. that OJ did not do this alone. And a lot of people, like you said, a And a lot of people, like you said, a And a lot of people, like you said, a lot of people knew that, too. And there lot of people knew that, too. And there lot of people knew that, too. And there was a lot of evidence. There was other was a lot of evidence. There was other was a lot of evidence. There was other shoe prints and blood there. There were shoe prints and blood there. There were shoe prints and blood there. There were other fingerprints. There was blood DNA other fingerprints. There was blood DNA other fingerprints. There was blood DNA in the Bronco and at the murder scene in the Bronco and at the murder scene in the Bronco and at the murder scene that did not match OJ, Ron, or Nicole. that did not match OJ, Ron, or Nicole. that did not match OJ, Ron, or Nicole. And I learned And I learned And I learned And look, I'm not going to talk badly And look, I'm not going to talk badly And look, I'm not going to talk badly about the LAPD because they've actually about the LAPD because they've actually about the LAPD because they've actually been pretty cool listening over the been pretty cool listening over the been pretty cool listening over the years. They could have ignored me a lot, years. They could have ignored me a lot, years. They could have ignored me a lot, right? But they've listened, and whether right? But they've listened, and whether right? But they've listened, and whether they do something, that's up to them. I they do something, that's up to them. I they do something, that's up to them. I don't control that. But don't control that. But don't control that. But OJ did it. He had help. OJ did it. He had help. OJ did it. He had help. And it solves all the mysteries of like And it solves all the mysteries of like And it solves all the mysteries of like where the clothes went and the shoes and where the clothes went and the shoes and where the clothes went and the shoes and the knife. Why did they never find that the knife. Why did they never find that the knife. Why did they never find that stuff? How did he get back to his house stuff? How did he get back to his house stuff? How did he get back to his house so fast? How did he get rid of so fast? How did he get rid of so fast? How did he get rid of everything and nobody saw the Bronco and everything and nobody saw the Bronco and everything and nobody saw the Bronco and where was the Bronco at the house? Like where was the Bronco at the house? Like where was the Bronco at the house? Like he got dropped off, he jumped a fence. he got dropped off, he jumped a fence. he got dropped off, he jumped a fence. There was all this stuff and There was all this stuff and There was all this stuff and like most of the public, I was a fan. I like most of the public, I was a fan. I like most of the public, I was a fan. I was in college. I was 20 years old when was in college. I was 20 years old when was in college. I was 20 years old when it happened. And so I did live it, too. it happened. And so I did live it, too. it happened. And so I did live it, too. And when I first met these guys, there And when I first met these guys, there And when I first met these guys, there was a couple people involved with the was a couple people involved with the was a couple people involved with the the these projects, so to speak, the these projects, so to speak, the these projects, so to speak, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. And it took me about a year to truly And it took me about a year to truly And it took me about a year to truly believe it after vetting it, using other believe it after vetting it, using other believe it after vetting it, using other sources, using my investigative sources, using my investigative sources, using my investigative techniques. techniques. techniques. And I mean, I didn't sleep for a few And I mean, I didn't sleep for a few And I mean, I didn't sleep for a few nights after I I was made aware of what nights after I I was made aware of what nights after I I was made aware of what was going on. was going on. was going on. Imagine. So, let let me go through what Imagine. So, let let me go through what Imagine. So, let let me go through what I understand and you'll just correct me I understand and you'll just correct me I understand and you'll just correct me cuz I'll be wrong about this is 30 years cuz I'll be wrong about this is 30 years cuz I'll be wrong about this is 30 years ago or whatever it was. ago or whatever it was. ago or whatever it was. But my understanding is is that there But my understanding is is that there But my understanding is is that there was some sort of a recital or something was some sort of a recital or something was some sort of a recital or something at school that day. at school that day. at school that day. Uh Nicole ends up having dinner with Uh Nicole ends up having dinner with Uh Nicole ends up having dinner with family at I think it's Mezzaluna. I family at I think it's Mezzaluna. I family at I think it's Mezzaluna. I think that's the name of the place. Ron think that's the name of the place. Ron think that's the name of the place. Ron was a server there. was a server there. was a server there. And I I think maybe OJ came there and And I I think maybe OJ came there and And I I think maybe OJ came there and there was a disagreement or he left, there was a disagreement or he left, there was a disagreement or he left, that part you can clear up. But how do that part you can clear up. But how do that part you can clear up. But how do you get from Mezzaluna to OJ pulling up? you get from Mezzaluna to OJ pulling up? you get from Mezzaluna to OJ pulling up? Let me just help speed this up, too. OJ Let me just help speed this up, too. OJ Let me just help speed this up, too. OJ lives down the street. There's a front lives down the street. There's a front lives down the street. There's a front entrance to Nicole's house, there's a entrance to Nicole's house, there's a entrance to Nicole's house, there's a back entrance to Nicole's house. My back entrance to Nicole's house. My back entrance to Nicole's house. My understanding is you believe that he understanding is you believe that he understanding is you believe that he drove down what would be considered like drove down what would be considered like drove down what would be considered like the back alley that night. the back alley that night. the back alley that night. Fix what I just said that's wrong. Fix what I just said that's wrong. Fix what I just said that's wrong. Um my understanding also is that Nicole Um my understanding also is that Nicole Um my understanding also is that Nicole supposedly left some glasses at the supposedly left some glasses at the supposedly left some glasses at the restaurant, called the restaurant, Ron restaurant, called the restaurant, Ron restaurant, called the restaurant, Ron agrees to deliver them to the house that agrees to deliver them to the house that agrees to deliver them to the house that night. And what one how did he get there night. And what one how did he get there night. And what one how did he get there and be why did he do this? Like what and be why did he do this? Like what and be why did he do this? Like what compels this guy? He was obviously compels this guy? He was obviously compels this guy? He was obviously violent with her in the past, but this violent with her in the past, but this violent with her in the past, but this night did he intend to kill her? Did he night did he intend to kill her? Did he night did he intend to kill her? Did he intend to scare her? What makes him get intend to scare her? What makes him get intend to scare her? What makes him get in his car knowing he's flying to in his car knowing he's flying to in his car knowing he's flying to Chicago I think later that night and Chicago I think later that night and Chicago I think later that night and drive over there and do this? What's drive over there and do this? What's drive over there and do this? What's what what spurred this change in his what what spurred this change in his what what spurred this change in his behavior or acceleration of his behavior or acceleration of his behavior or acceleration of his behavior? Yeah, and you remind me at the behavior? Yeah, and you remind me at the behavior? Yeah, and you remind me at the end I'm going to start with the first end I'm going to start with the first end I'm going to start with the first part of what you said and then I should part of what you said and then I should part of what you said and then I should be able to remember that second part. be able to remember that second part. be able to remember that second part. part. Um they go to There is a recital. part. Um they go to There is a recital. part. Um they go to There is a recital. Nicole does go to dinner at Mezzaluna Nicole does go to dinner at Mezzaluna Nicole does go to dinner at Mezzaluna with her family and the kids. OJ doesn't with her family and the kids. OJ doesn't with her family and the kids. OJ doesn't go. go. go. Whether OJ was invited or not, there's a Whether OJ was invited or not, there's a Whether OJ was invited or not, there's a lot of different theories. lot of different theories. lot of different theories. >> he was at the recital and that's where >> he was at the recital and that's where >> he was at the recital and that's where there was a recital, yeah. there was a recital, yeah. there was a recital, yeah. He was filmed there. A guy from He was filmed there. A guy from He was filmed there. A guy from Portland, Oregon filmed OJ kissing one Portland, Oregon filmed OJ kissing one Portland, Oregon filmed OJ kissing one of his children and that was a big piece of his children and that was a big piece of his children and that was a big piece of the story of the story of the story So he was there. Nicole and OJ were not So he was there. Nicole and OJ were not So he was there. Nicole and OJ were not speaking to each other at this time. On speaking to each other at this time. On speaking to each other at this time. On June 12th, 1994, they hated each other. June 12th, 1994, they hated each other. June 12th, 1994, they hated each other. Like cats and dogs, man. I can't explain Like cats and dogs, man. I can't explain Like cats and dogs, man. I can't explain it. There's a couple things it. There's a couple things it. There's a couple things about this IRS letter. They I mean they about this IRS letter. They I mean they about this IRS letter. They I mean they were it was bad. It was really bad. And were it was bad. It was really bad. And were it was bad. It was really bad. And there were a lot of warning signs over there were a lot of warning signs over there were a lot of warning signs over the years, okay? And his friends should the years, okay? And his friends should the years, okay? And his friends should have stepped in. have stepped in. have stepped in. This this murder is not premeditated. This this murder is not premeditated. This this murder is not premeditated. It's not. It's not. It's not. Okay? OJ's waiting for a limousine to Okay? OJ's waiting for a limousine to Okay? OJ's waiting for a limousine to come take him to the airport to go to come take him to the airport to go to come take him to the airport to go to Chicago. Within minutes Chicago. Within minutes Chicago. Within minutes minutes. I'm not talking hours. I'm minutes. I'm not talking hours. I'm minutes. I'm not talking hours. I'm talking within minutes, okay? talking within minutes, okay? talking within minutes, okay? Basically, what happens is Basically, what happens is Basically, what happens is I'm going to say two men I'm going to say two men I'm going to say two men show up at Rockingham and tell OJ they show up at Rockingham and tell OJ they show up at Rockingham and tell OJ they owe some money to them. OJ and them owe owe some money to them. OJ and them owe owe some money to them. OJ and them owe these people money? these people money? these people money? Two There's two I'm going to say this Two There's two I'm going to say this Two There's two I'm going to say this cuz I can say this legally. Charlie cuz I can say this legally. Charlie cuz I can say this legally. Charlie quote unquote quote unquote quote unquote and another gentleman that I may say the and another gentleman that I may say the and another gentleman that I may say the name as we go because he died. He's name as we go because he died. He's name as we go because he died. He's dead, okay? dead, okay? dead, okay? If I remove If I remove If I remove I know Charlie's there. If I remove the I know Charlie's there. If I remove the I know Charlie's there. If I remove the second guy, right? And I just focus on second guy, right? And I just focus on second guy, right? And I just focus on one guy doing an extortion, right? You one guy doing an extortion, right? You one guy doing an extortion, right? You owe us money, they owe us money for owe us money, they owe us money for owe us money, they owe us money for drugs. You guys have been, you know, drugs. You guys have been, you know, drugs. You guys have been, you know, you have to understand the mafia you have to understand the mafia you have to understand the mafia mentality. It's a setup. It's an mentality. It's a setup. It's an mentality. It's a setup. It's an extortion to get money out of him cuz OJ extortion to get money out of him cuz OJ extortion to get money out of him cuz OJ has nowhere to go. Who's he going to go has nowhere to go. Who's he going to go has nowhere to go. Who's he going to go to? The cops? He can't go anywhere. to? The cops? He can't go anywhere. to? The cops? He can't go anywhere. So, OJ had a drug problem. A lot of So, OJ had a drug problem. A lot of So, OJ had a drug problem. A lot of people knew that and he was entangled in people knew that and he was entangled in people knew that and he was entangled in the wrong crowd, period. So was Nicole, the wrong crowd, period. So was Nicole, the wrong crowd, period. So was Nicole, so was Faye Resnick. so was Faye Resnick. so was Faye Resnick. To some degree, Keith Z may have been. To some degree, Keith Z may have been. To some degree, Keith Z may have been. These were the people from Mezzaluna. These were the people from Mezzaluna. These were the people from Mezzaluna. These were the good friends of Nicole. These were the good friends of Nicole. These were the good friends of Nicole. There was a lot of stuff going on in LA There was a lot of stuff going on in LA There was a lot of stuff going on in LA in '94, okay? in '94, okay? in '94, okay? Basically, OJ freaks out and says, "No, Basically, OJ freaks out and says, "No, Basically, OJ freaks out and says, "No, I'm not doing I'm not giving you a I'm not doing I'm not giving you a I'm not doing I'm not giving you a dime." And they're they're the tables dime." And they're they're the tables dime." And they're they're the tables have turned. have turned. have turned. And OJ says, "We're going to Nicole's." And OJ says, "We're going to Nicole's." And OJ says, "We're going to Nicole's." And he has them go in a Bronco with him And he has them go in a Bronco with him And he has them go in a Bronco with him to Nicole's house at about to Nicole's house at about to Nicole's house at about at about 10:20 at about 10:20 at about 10:20 p.m. he leaves Rockingham cuz the limo p.m. he leaves Rockingham cuz the limo p.m. he leaves Rockingham cuz the limo lands at like 10:25. He misses them. The lands at like 10:25. He misses them. The lands at like 10:25. He misses them. The limo never sees a Bronco. Okay? limo never sees a Bronco. Okay? limo never sees a Bronco. Okay? this. What compels this guy knowing he's this. What compels this guy knowing he's this. What compels this guy knowing he's getting on an airplane to drive over getting on an airplane to drive over getting on an airplane to drive over there? So, you're saying what compelled there? So, you're saying what compelled there? So, you're saying what compelled him is one or two of these shadowy him is one or two of these shadowy him is one or two of these shadowy figures, kind of mob dudes. And you figures, kind of mob dudes. And you figures, kind of mob dudes. And you didn't he's investigated this, didn't he's investigated this, didn't he's investigated this, everybody. This isn't something that everybody. This isn't something that everybody. This isn't something that he's just look, you know, it's actually he's just look, you know, it's actually he's just look, you know, it's actually something that OJ said as well. So, something that OJ said as well. So, something that OJ said as well. So, these guys these guys these guys there's a confrontation. Backdrop on there's a confrontation. Backdrop on there's a confrontation. Backdrop on that just really quickly is you said OJ that just really quickly is you said OJ that just really quickly is you said OJ had a drug problem. Did OJ also help, do had a drug problem. Did OJ also help, do had a drug problem. Did OJ also help, do you believe, in his past maybe you believe, in his past maybe you believe, in his past maybe distribute or sell any of these drugs to distribute or sell any of these drugs to distribute or sell any of these drugs to people and that's why he was entangled people and that's why he was entangled people and that's why he was entangled with these two guys? with these two guys? with these two guys? >> Absolutely. He was facilitating deals >> Absolutely. He was facilitating deals >> Absolutely. He was facilitating deals with these two men. Absolutely. 100% and with these two men. Absolutely. 100% and with these two men. Absolutely. 100% and I can prove that. And also AC was, too. I can prove that. And also AC was, too. I can prove that. And also AC was, too. And that can be proven, also. It's some And that can be proven, also. It's some And that can be proven, also. It's some of it's in the public domain. It's of it's in the public domain. It's of it's in the public domain. It's talked drugs when he's got a Hertz talked drugs when he's got a Hertz talked drugs when he's got a Hertz rental car deal. He's making some rental car deal. He's making some rental car deal. He's making some movies. movies. movies. He's on I think he's doing football on He's on I think he's doing football on He's on I think he's doing football on NBC at the time. Was he hurting for NBC at the time. Was he hurting for NBC at the time. Was he hurting for money? How's he hurting for money? Plus money? How's he hurting for money? Plus money? How's he hurting for money? Plus he's got an NFL pension. Why is he he's got an NFL pension. Why is he he's got an NFL pension. Why is he dealing drugs? This is this is the dealing drugs? This is this is the dealing drugs? This is this is the segway into the seven deadly sins. segway into the seven deadly sins. segway into the seven deadly sins. This is the segway into temptation. This is the segway into temptation. This is the segway into temptation. I believe through my cases, a lot of I believe through my cases, a lot of I believe through my cases, a lot of them, and I talk about this, my them, and I talk about this, my them, and I talk about this, my spirituality and God and Jesus with spirituality and God and Jesus with spirituality and God and Jesus with these cases and how they helped me in a these cases and how they helped me in a these cases and how they helped me in a way way way is is is OJ was possessed OJ was possessed OJ was possessed by anger, jealousy, rage. He's angry, by anger, jealousy, rage. He's angry, by anger, jealousy, rage. He's angry, he's embarrassed. He's mad. he's embarrassed. He's mad. he's embarrassed. He's mad. And when [clears throat] we hit that And when [clears throat] we hit that And when [clears throat] we hit that point of no return, there is no turning point of no return, there is no turning point of no return, there is no turning back. He couldn't turn back. He told his back. He couldn't turn back. He told his back. He couldn't turn back. He told his bail bondsman in Vegas, years later, I bail bondsman in Vegas, years later, I bail bondsman in Vegas, years later, I should have just got on my plane. should have just got on my plane. should have just got on my plane. He knew in the retrospect, I what was I He knew in the retrospect, I what was I He knew in the retrospect, I what was I doing? Why? He could have told these doing? Why? He could have told these doing? Why? He could have told these guys, "Hey, chill out. I'll take care of guys, "Hey, chill out. I'll take care of guys, "Hey, chill out. I'll take care of it." Why does he need to Why does he it." Why does he need to Why does he it." Why does he need to Why does he need to race to Nicole's before he's need to race to Nicole's before he's need to race to Nicole's before he's going to get in a limo to go on an going to get in a limo to go on an going to get in a limo to go on an airplane? Because of his anger. So if I airplane? Because of his anger. So if I airplane? Because of his anger. So if I could could could I don't want to do that a lot, but I don't want to do that a lot, but I don't want to do that a lot, but there's just in case people aren't there's just in case people aren't there's just in case people aren't familiar, there was a this was a very familiar, there was a this was a very familiar, there was a this was a very volatile relationship. There was volatile relationship. There was volatile relationship. There was violence in the relationship. They'd violence in the relationship. They'd violence in the relationship. They'd broken up and got back together several broken up and got back together several broken up and got back together several times. There are, you know, pretty valid times. There are, you know, pretty valid times. There are, you know, pretty valid stories that maybe that Nicole had stories that maybe that Nicole had stories that maybe that Nicole had dated, we'll call it dated, a few of dated, we'll call it dated, a few of dated, we'll call it dated, a few of OJ's friends. He had had some OJ's friends. He had had some OJ's friends. He had had some frustration about that. But I don't frustration about that. But I don't frustration about that. But I don't understand. Two guys show up, kind of a understand. Two guys show up, kind of a understand. Two guys show up, kind of a shakedown, you owe us money. Why shakedown, you owe us money. Why shakedown, you owe us money. Why Nicole's house? Why is that where he's Nicole's house? Why is that where he's Nicole's house? Why is that where he's going? So they So they named Nicole. going? So they So they named Nicole. going? So they So they named Nicole. When they're talking to him, they're When they're talking to him, they're When they're talking to him, they're saying her name, and they're also saying saying her name, and they're also saying saying her name, and they're also saying Keith Z's name. Now, Keith Z was the one Keith Z's name. Now, Keith Z was the one Keith Z's name. Now, Keith Z was the one that triggered a lot of this anger, the that triggered a lot of this anger, the that triggered a lot of this anger, the 911 call in October of '93, the stalking 911 call in October of '93, the stalking 911 call in October of '93, the stalking incidents. That's Keith. So when they incidents. That's Keith. So when they incidents. That's Keith. So when they say Nicole's name, Faye Resnick, Keith, say Nicole's name, Faye Resnick, Keith, say Nicole's name, Faye Resnick, Keith, this is setting him off. this is setting him off. this is setting him off. They're pushing his buttons, okay? They're pushing his buttons, okay? They're pushing his buttons, okay? And and it's it's dark, man. He And and it's it's dark, man. He And and it's it's dark, man. He Obviously, a guy that was that Obviously, a guy that was that Obviously, a guy that was that good-looking, that charismatic, that good-looking, that charismatic, that good-looking, that charismatic, that famous, you're absolutely right. We famous, you're absolutely right. We famous, you're absolutely right. We can't see how he would do it. can't see how he would do it. can't see how he would do it. But God can, But God can, But God can, and the devil can. They That That's what and the devil can. They That That's what and the devil can. 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Let's just leave room that there could Let's just leave room that there could Let's just leave room that there could be a second guy with him in your theory, be a second guy with him in your theory, be a second guy with him in your theory, everybody. I I have no idea what everybody. I I have no idea what everybody. I I have no idea what happened, obviously. I've not done any happened, obviously. I've not done any happened, obviously. I've not done any investigating. investigating. investigating. So, they they end up in his car. So, they they end up in his car. So, they they end up in his car. You say it's not premeditated, but then You say it's not premeditated, but then You say it's not premeditated, but then at the same time, I've been told he's at the same time, I've been told he's at the same time, I've been told he's wearing gloves and a mask. So, if it's wearing gloves and a mask. So, if it's wearing gloves and a mask. So, if it's not premeditated, why does gloves and a not premeditated, why does gloves and a not premeditated, why does gloves and a mask? Not a mask. That's something Mark mask? Not a mask. That's something Mark mask? Not a mask. That's something Mark Furman said. There was no mask. It was Furman said. There was no mask. It was Furman said. There was no mask. It was just a cap. It was a beanie cap like he just a cap. It was a beanie cap like he just a cap. It was a beanie cap like he wear when he golf, he said. The gloves wear when he golf, he said. The gloves wear when he golf, he said. The gloves were driving gloves. Okay, they're were driving gloves. Okay, they're were driving gloves. Okay, they're isotoneers. He wasn't in like this isotoneers. He wasn't in like this isotoneers. He wasn't in like this costume. Like people try to say that. costume. Like people try to say that. costume. Like people try to say that. Look, let me I'm going to give you the Look, let me I'm going to give you the Look, let me I'm going to give you the quick sound bite. O.J. wants to scare quick sound bite. O.J. wants to scare quick sound bite. O.J. wants to scare her, okay? He had stalked her before in her, okay? He had stalked her before in her, okay? He had stalked her before in all black clothing, probably had the cap all black clothing, probably had the cap all black clothing, probably had the cap on, maybe had the gloves, maybe he had on, maybe had the gloves, maybe he had on, maybe had the gloves, maybe he had thought about this before doing this thought about this before doing this thought about this before doing this before. Keith Z talks about this when he before. Keith Z talks about this when he before. Keith Z talks about this when he watches them through the window, he felt watches them through the window, he felt watches them through the window, he felt he could be killed, okay? He could have he could be killed, okay? He could have he could be killed, okay? He could have come in, he was like trying to get in come in, he was like trying to get in come in, he was like trying to get in the house. It was all locked, okay? So, the house. It was all locked, okay? So, the house. It was all locked, okay? So, he had done this before at the Colby's he had done this before at the Colby's he had done this before at the Colby's in the trial had talked about seeing a in the trial had talked about seeing a in the trial had talked about seeing a man man man black man outside at Gretna Green, so a black man outside at Gretna Green, so a black man outside at Gretna Green, so a lot of people know that. So, lot of people know that. So, lot of people know that. So, he's wants to scare her. And in his book he's wants to scare her. And in his book he's wants to scare her. And in his book in chapter six, he tells you, "I'm going in chapter six, he tells you, "I'm going in chapter six, he tells you, "I'm going to go read her the riot act." to go read her the riot act." to go read her the riot act." He wants to scare her. Now, whether he He wants to scare her. Now, whether he He wants to scare her. Now, whether he tries to say, "I have a knife, I took it tries to say, "I have a knife, I took it tries to say, "I have a knife, I took it I took it up from under the seat. Look I took it up from under the seat. Look I took it up from under the seat. Look at this blade." And he tells Charlie, at this blade." And he tells Charlie, at this blade." And he tells Charlie, "Look at this blade." And Charlie says "Look at this blade." And Charlie says "Look at this blade." And Charlie says in the chapter of the book, "What are in the chapter of the book, "What are in the chapter of the book, "What are you doing, dude? you doing, dude? you doing, dude? Put that away." Put that away." Put that away." We're You're going to go talk to her, go We're You're going to go talk to her, go We're You're going to go talk to her, go talk to her, right? So, there's talk to her, right? So, there's talk to her, right? So, there's confusion about how many knives there confusion about how many knives there confusion about how many knives there really are. Do these other guys have really are. Do these other guys have really are. Do these other guys have knives and guns? Most likely. I mean, knives and guns? Most likely. I mean, knives and guns? Most likely. I mean, dealers carry weapons, period, dealers carry weapons, period, dealers carry weapons, period, especially in the especially in the especially in the the the white the snow game, okay? They the the white the snow game, okay? They the the white the snow game, okay? They are ready to die at any moment, okay? are ready to die at any moment, okay? are ready to die at any moment, okay? Anyone will tell you that in that game. Anyone will tell you that in that game. Anyone will tell you that in that game. So, they're there to scare them. When So, they're there to scare them. When So, they're there to scare them. When they show up and go through the back they show up and go through the back they show up and go through the back gate, the problem is there's Ron Goldman gate, the problem is there's Ron Goldman gate, the problem is there's Ron Goldman at the front. at the front. at the front. Here's a white guy, good-looking, Here's a white guy, good-looking, Here's a white guy, good-looking, dressed to the nines, dropping off dressed to the nines, dropping off dressed to the nines, dropping off Juditha's glasses, Nicole's mother. She Juditha's glasses, Nicole's mother. She Juditha's glasses, Nicole's mother. She dropped them on the sidewalk. If she dropped them on the sidewalk. If she dropped them on the sidewalk. If she never dropped those glasses, Ron Goldman never dropped those glasses, Ron Goldman never dropped those glasses, Ron Goldman most likely is alive today. You believe most likely is alive today. You believe most likely is alive today. You believe just I've always wondered this, you just I've always wondered this, you just I've always wondered this, you believe that this was just coincidental believe that this was just coincidental believe that this was just coincidental and that there was no probably no and that there was no probably no and that there was no probably no pre-existing relationship between Ron pre-existing relationship between Ron pre-existing relationship between Ron and Nicole that was anything more than and Nicole that was anything more than and Nicole that was anything more than friends. They They there's no evidence friends. They They there's no evidence friends. They They there's no evidence that they were lovers. Actually, I do that they were lovers. Actually, I do that they were lovers. Actually, I do have a piece of tabloid evidence in the have a piece of tabloid evidence in the have a piece of tabloid evidence in the discovery file that I'm willing to show discovery file that I'm willing to show discovery file that I'm willing to show to people for free where it talks about to people for free where it talks about to people for free where it talks about Ron Goldman was in love with Nicole. I Ron Goldman was in love with Nicole. I Ron Goldman was in love with Nicole. I have it in the witness statements from have it in the witness statements from have it in the witness statements from one of Ron's friends, okay? one of Ron's friends, okay? one of Ron's friends, okay? beautiful blonde lady that comes in the beautiful blonde lady that comes in the beautiful blonde lady that comes in the restaurant, he's got a crush on her, restaurant, he's got a crush on her, restaurant, he's got a crush on her, right? So Exactly. Is it also accurate right? So Exactly. Is it also accurate right? So Exactly. Is it also accurate before you tell us what you think before you tell us what you think before you tell us what you think happened? Correct me if I'm wrong happened? Correct me if I'm wrong happened? Correct me if I'm wrong because I certainly could be that the because I certainly could be that the because I certainly could be that the wounds on both of them wounds on both of them wounds on both of them and please tell me if I'm wrong about and please tell me if I'm wrong about and please tell me if I'm wrong about this cuz this is significant to your this cuz this is significant to your this cuz this is significant to your point point point that there there's evidence that it is that there there's evidence that it is that there there's evidence that it is two different knives that were used in two different knives that were used in two different knives that were used in the in the assault. If that's true, the in the assault. If that's true, the in the assault. If that's true, why in the world did that not come out why in the world did that not come out why in the world did that not come out at trial or did it? It did. And what at trial or did it? It did. And what at trial or did it? It did. And what happened was in the very beginning they happened was in the very beginning they happened was in the very beginning they put on Dr. Irwin Golden who was the put on Dr. Irwin Golden who was the put on Dr. Irwin Golden who was the coroner, the original coroner. coroner, the original coroner. coroner, the original coroner. He was the deputy coroner. He had a He was the deputy coroner. He had a He was the deputy coroner. He had a boss, Dr. Lakshmanan, but but the He did boss, Dr. Lakshmanan, but but the He did boss, Dr. Lakshmanan, but but the He did the autopsy, Dr. Irwin Golden. He says the autopsy, Dr. Irwin Golden. He says the autopsy, Dr. Irwin Golden. He says in the preliminary hearing, there's two in the preliminary hearing, there's two in the preliminary hearing, there's two morphologically different types of stab morphologically different types of stab morphologically different types of stab wounds on the victims. Shapiro gets with wounds on the victims. Shapiro gets with wounds on the victims. Shapiro gets with him, he starts grilling him, could two him, he starts grilling him, could two him, he starts grilling him, could two knives have been used? Yes. And that's knives have been used? Yes. And that's knives have been used? Yes. And that's all recorded. Now, what happens the next all recorded. Now, what happens the next all recorded. Now, what happens the next day? Marcia Clark kicks him off the case day? Marcia Clark kicks him off the case day? Marcia Clark kicks him off the case literally. And that's a problem. literally. And that's a problem. literally. And that's a problem. They actually went to other coroners They actually went to other coroners They actually went to other coroners across the country for somebody else. across the country for somebody else. across the country for somebody else. Why? Why? Why? Because it's a cover-up. Because it's a cover-up. Because it's a cover-up. They don't want to hear that there's two They don't want to hear that there's two They don't want to hear that there's two knives. knives. knives. And it's So, this is This thing was And it's So, this is This thing was And it's So, this is This thing was rooted right in the beginning with rooted right in the beginning with rooted right in the beginning with cover-up, right away. And there's cover-up, right away. And there's cover-up, right away. And there's different reasoning for that. different reasoning for that. different reasoning for that. Some Some of it they just wanted OJ. Some Some of it they just wanted OJ. Some Some of it they just wanted OJ. Some guys were afraid of the mob guys. Some guys were afraid of the mob guys. Some guys were afraid of the mob guys. Look, one of the guys is an animal. Look, one of the guys is an animal. Look, one of the guys is an animal. Not Charlie, the other one. If he was Not Charlie, the other one. If he was Not Charlie, the other one. If he was still alive today, I would not be still alive today, I would not be still alive today, I would not be talking to you. talking to you. talking to you. Fair enough. So, philosophically, what Fair enough. So, philosophically, what Fair enough. So, philosophically, what you believe is there was We're going to you believe is there was We're going to you believe is there was We're going to want to go into this moment with Ron want to go into this moment with Ron want to go into this moment with Ron Goldman in a minute, but you do believe Goldman in a minute, but you do believe Goldman in a minute, but you do believe that OJ did this with an accomplice. that OJ did this with an accomplice. that OJ did this with an accomplice. Having said that, you also believe there Having said that, you also believe there Having said that, you also believe there was on the prosecution side and the law was on the prosecution side and the law was on the prosecution side and the law enforcement side, you also believe there enforcement side, you also believe there enforcement side, you also believe there was tampering of evidence and a was tampering of evidence and a was tampering of evidence and a cover-up. He's nodding his head, but cover-up. He's nodding his head, but cover-up. He's nodding his head, but just for audio, you're saying yes to just for audio, you're saying yes to just for audio, you're saying yes to that. that. that. Yes, there was planting of evidence. Yes, there was planting of evidence. Yes, there was planting of evidence. There's proof of that. EDTA in different There's proof of that. EDTA in different There's proof of that. EDTA in different segments [snorts] of the blood on segments [snorts] of the blood on segments [snorts] of the blood on different pieces of evidence. And the different pieces of evidence. And the different pieces of evidence. And the glove may have been planted by Mark glove may have been planted by Mark glove may have been planted by Mark Fuhrman behind the house. Fuhrman behind the house. Fuhrman behind the house. Okay, so now we'll go Now we're going to Okay, so now we'll go Now we're going to Okay, so now we'll go Now we're going to go back this moment. So, OJ's coming up go back this moment. So, OJ's coming up go back this moment. So, OJ's coming up the walkway from the alley behind. Ron's the walkway from the alley behind. Ron's the walkway from the alley behind. Ron's at the front door talking to Nicole at the front door talking to Nicole at the front door talking to Nicole delivering the glass Mom's glasses. Do delivering the glass Mom's glasses. Do delivering the glass Mom's glasses. Do you You probably don't know this, but you You probably don't know this, but you You probably don't know this, but you believe OJ walked up there alone you believe OJ walked up there alone you believe OJ walked up there alone initially or is these other one or two initially or is these other one or two initially or is these other one or two men with him as he walks up? men with him as he walks up? men with him as he walks up? OJ tries to say in his book in his OJ tries to say in his book in his OJ tries to say in his book in his confession in chapter six that Charlie confession in chapter six that Charlie confession in chapter six that Charlie followed this guy in. What he's trying followed this guy in. What he's trying followed this guy in. What he's trying to say is that like to say is that like to say is that like he goes in first to stalk and look he goes in first to stalk and look he goes in first to stalk and look through the windows and I I see candles through the windows and I I see candles through the windows and I I see candles and I hear music. and I hear music. and I hear music. I believe that Charlie and the other I believe that Charlie and the other I believe that Charlie and the other gentleman are with OJ at this time. I gentleman are with OJ at this time. I gentleman are with OJ at this time. I don't believe they're like coming from don't believe they're like coming from don't believe they're like coming from the front and waiting. I think they all the front and waiting. I think they all the front and waiting. I think they all come through together through the back. come through together through the back. come through together through the back. Again, just to be clear with everybody, Again, just to be clear with everybody, Again, just to be clear with everybody, it's not in the house. It's in like a it's not in the house. It's in like a it's not in the house. It's in like a foyer, like a foyer, like a foyer, like a walkway. Walkway, like a courtyard area walkway. Walkway, like a courtyard area walkway. Walkway, like a courtyard area near the house, correct? So, that's what near the house, correct? So, that's what near the house, correct? So, that's what you meant by in. They're not inside the you meant by in. They're not inside the you meant by in. They're not inside the house, they're outside. Okay, and then house, they're outside. Okay, and then house, they're outside. Okay, and then in your theory, what takes place now in in your theory, what takes place now in in your theory, what takes place now in this horrific incident? this horrific incident? this horrific incident? >> When when they come down, the There's >> When when they come down, the There's >> When when they come down, the There's stairs. They have to go up and down stairs. They have to go up and down stairs. They have to go up and down these stairs. It's a long walkway. these stairs. It's a long walkway. these stairs. It's a long walkway. They're As they come down, they see Ron They're As they come down, they see Ron They're As they come down, they see Ron Goldman at the front talking to Nicole. Goldman at the front talking to Nicole. Goldman at the front talking to Nicole. They see that. Now, it's very dark. They see that. Now, it's very dark. They see that. Now, it's very dark. There's very little lighting there. It's There's very little lighting there. It's There's very little lighting there. It's a very small space. I talked about this. a very small space. I talked about this. a very small space. I talked about this. Four angry people in a very dark space Four angry people in a very dark space Four angry people in a very dark space in a small space. in a small space. in a small space. Ron's there. They're unsuspecting. Ron's there. They're unsuspecting. Ron's there. They're unsuspecting. Nicole's got the menu like she's going Nicole's got the menu like she's going Nicole's got the menu like she's going to order food. She's barefoot. So, to order food. She's barefoot. So, to order food. She's barefoot. So, obviously she just came out of the obviously she just came out of the obviously she just came out of the house. He buzzed to come out. He's got house. He buzzed to come out. He's got house. He buzzed to come out. He's got the glasses and a white envelope. This the glasses and a white envelope. This the glasses and a white envelope. This was a big piece of the evidence. Okay? was a big piece of the evidence. Okay? was a big piece of the evidence. Okay? He's doing that. They're talking. Here He's doing that. They're talking. Here He's doing that. They're talking. Here come the bulls in the china shop. come the bulls in the china shop. come the bulls in the china shop. What do you got What's up? Whoa, they're What do you got What's up? Whoa, they're What do you got What's up? Whoa, they're startled at first. They whoa, what's startled at first. They whoa, what's startled at first. They whoa, what's O.J., what are you doing here? Nicole O.J., what are you doing here? Nicole O.J., what are you doing here? Nicole hates him. hates him. hates him. So, imagine she sees him I don't know if So, imagine she sees him I don't know if So, imagine she sees him I don't know if she sees him holding a knife. Maybe. she sees him holding a knife. Maybe. she sees him holding a knife. Maybe. He's dressed with the gloves and the hat He's dressed with the gloves and the hat He's dressed with the gloves and the hat cuz they find it there. cuz they find it there. cuz they find it there. And there's two other guys or one guy And there's two other guys or one guy And there's two other guys or one guy with them. What's going on? with them. What's going on? with them. What's going on? You're not supposed to be here at all. You're not supposed to be here at all. You're not supposed to be here at all. And there's Ron there. And there's Ron there. And there's Ron there. And it's just awkward and a fight And it's just awkward and a fight And it's just awkward and a fight begins, an argument. begins, an argument. begins, an argument. And a gentleman hears this, Robert And a gentleman hears this, Robert And a gentleman hears this, Robert Heidstra. He hears it. Parts of it. Heidstra. He hears it. Parts of it. Heidstra. He hears it. Parts of it. Cross the street in an alley. Cross the street in an alley. Cross the street in an alley. And And And the prosecution tried to not use them. the prosecution tried to not use them. the prosecution tried to not use them. Like you'll see all this cover-up from Like you'll see all this cover-up from Like you'll see all this cover-up from the prosecution. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. the prosecution. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. the prosecution. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's all there. And basically a fight It's all there. And basically a fight It's all there. And basically a fight breaks out. I do believe Nicole swung on breaks out. I do believe Nicole swung on breaks out. I do believe Nicole swung on O.J. O.J. O.J. And from that moment, there's no turning And from that moment, there's no turning And from that moment, there's no turning back. back. back. The other knife being used, I do believe The other knife being used, I do believe The other knife being used, I do believe there are two knives. I I do. there are two knives. I I do. there are two knives. I I do. Through the autopsy, through the Through the autopsy, through the Through the autopsy, through the evidence, I I do believe there's two evidence, I I do believe there's two evidence, I I do believe there's two people doing it. people doing it. people doing it. And you believe, maybe just for just so And you believe, maybe just for just so And you believe, maybe just for just so everyone should just know this, the everyone should just know this, the everyone should just know this, the level of blood that was there and the level of blood that was there and the level of blood that was there and the maybe talk for a second just so everyone maybe talk for a second just so everyone maybe talk for a second just so everyone knows how uh my understanding is this knows how uh my understanding is this knows how uh my understanding is this Ron Goldman young man fought pretty Ron Goldman young man fought pretty Ron Goldman young man fought pretty valiantly if there's two or three dudes valiantly if there's two or three dudes valiantly if there's two or three dudes there. Absolutely. He did. there. Absolutely. He did. there. Absolutely. He did. I'm under My understanding also is I'm under My understanding also is I'm under My understanding also is Nicole was nearly decapitated. The Nicole was nearly decapitated. The Nicole was nearly decapitated. The wounds were so severe on her. Maybe wounds were so severe on her. Maybe wounds were so severe on her. Maybe that's not that's not that's not Maybe that's not true. Can you clarify Maybe that's not true. Can you clarify Maybe that's not true. Can you clarify that? that? that? >> Yeah, well, they exaggerate the >> Yeah, well, they exaggerate the >> Yeah, well, they exaggerate the decapitation thing a little bit. Her decapitation thing a little bit. Her decapitation thing a little bit. Her spine was nicked, okay? It didn't go spine was nicked, okay? It didn't go spine was nicked, okay? It didn't go through the spine, okay? A lot of people through the spine, okay? A lot of people through the spine, okay? A lot of people try to say this it it's it Let's just try to say this it it's it Let's just try to say this it it's it Let's just say it's a nasty slice of the throat, say it's a nasty slice of the throat, say it's a nasty slice of the throat, okay? It's not a decapitation. okay? It's not a decapitation. okay? It's not a decapitation. The um Ron is attacked and and yes, he's The um Ron is attacked and and yes, he's The um Ron is attacked and and yes, he's stabbed over 20 times, okay? 25, stabbed over 20 times, okay? 25, stabbed over 20 times, okay? 25, somewhere in there. He is fighting. He somewhere in there. He is fighting. He somewhere in there. He is fighting. He has bruising on both his knuckles all has bruising on both his knuckles all has bruising on both his knuckles all both hands. There's bruising, abrasions. both hands. There's bruising, abrasions. both hands. There's bruising, abrasions. He's obviously punching. Now, when you He's obviously punching. Now, when you He's obviously punching. Now, when you look at O.J. Simpson, did O.J. have any look at O.J. Simpson, did O.J. have any look at O.J. Simpson, did O.J. have any marks on his face? No. marks on his face? No. marks on his face? No. So, is he punching O.J. or is he So, is he punching O.J. or is he So, is he punching O.J. or is he punching somebody else? punching somebody else? punching somebody else? Why is there blood from somebody else at Why is there blood from somebody else at Why is there blood from somebody else at the crime scene? Again, more signs that the crime scene? Again, more signs that the crime scene? Again, more signs that there's someone else involved, okay? And there's someone else involved, okay? And there's someone else involved, okay? And yes, the blood is everywhere. yes, the blood is everywhere. yes, the blood is everywhere. You know, Nicole's feet are their her You know, Nicole's feet are their her You know, Nicole's feet are their her bare feet have no blood on them. There's bare feet have no blood on them. There's bare feet have no blood on them. There's a little spatter, I think, on maybe a a little spatter, I think, on maybe a a little spatter, I think, on maybe a part of her foot, but she's not standing part of her foot, but she's not standing part of her foot, but she's not standing in her blood, okay? So, she's down. in her blood, okay? So, she's down. in her blood, okay? So, she's down. She's always down on the ground, okay? She's always down on the ground, okay? She's always down on the ground, okay? Ron is not really standing in hers, Ron is not really standing in hers, Ron is not really standing in hers, either. So, I do believe Ron was killed either. So, I do believe Ron was killed either. So, I do believe Ron was killed first. She's either knocked out, dazed, first. She's either knocked out, dazed, first. She's either knocked out, dazed, one guy's holding her down, right? one guy's holding her down, right? one guy's holding her down, right? He could be hitting her, but the the He could be hitting her, but the the He could be hitting her, but the the final cut is at the end when she's final cut is at the end when she's final cut is at the end when she's propped up on the stairs, because we propped up on the stairs, because we propped up on the stairs, because we have evidence of that. There's a wall of have evidence of that. There's a wall of have evidence of that. There's a wall of blood coming down a certain step. That's blood coming down a certain step. That's blood coming down a certain step. That's where she has to be. She's up on the where she has to be. She's up on the where she has to be. She's up on the stairs. And then her legs are underneath stairs. And then her legs are underneath stairs. And then her legs are underneath the gate. The gate's only like 6 in the gate. The gate's only like 6 in the gate. The gate's only like 6 in high. You could not get her legs under high. You could not get her legs under high. You could not get her legs under there if she's standing up. She has to there if she's standing up. She has to there if she's standing up. She has to be laying down. So, he he yanks her hair be laying down. So, he he yanks her hair be laying down. So, he he yanks her hair back back back on the stairwell. on the stairwell. on the stairwell. The The The uh how definitive is it that there's a uh how definitive is it that there's a uh how definitive is it that there's a third-party's blood there? third-party's blood there? third-party's blood there? Uh Uh Uh absolutely. There's there's other blood absolutely. There's there's other blood absolutely. There's there's other blood at the crime scene and in the Bronco, at the crime scene and in the Bronco, at the crime scene and in the Bronco, 100%. 100%. 100%. Um just in the interest of time, I I'd Um just in the interest of time, I I'd Um just in the interest of time, I I'd rather just sit in the space for a rather just sit in the space for a rather just sit in the space for a minute and it's sort of a sacred place minute and it's sort of a sacred place minute and it's sort of a sacred place where these two beautiful people lost where these two beautiful people lost where these two beautiful people lost their lives, their lives, their lives, but we are doing a show here, so we're but we are doing a show here, so we're but we are doing a show here, so we're going to continue to going to continue to going to continue to progress through the scene. I've always, progress through the scene. I've always, progress through the scene. I've always, you know, just for me personally, you know, just for me personally, you know, just for me personally, wondered this really young stud athletic wondered this really young stud athletic wondered this really young stud athletic Goldman guy, how one dude would be able Goldman guy, how one dude would be able Goldman guy, how one dude would be able to kill both of these very athletic to kill both of these very athletic to kill both of these very athletic people people people um um um not with a gun, but with a knife. You not with a gun, but with a knife. You not with a gun, but with a knife. You would just [snorts] think someone could would just [snorts] think someone could would just [snorts] think someone could have fleed or something, you know? So, have fleed or something, you know? So, have fleed or something, you know? So, it is a compelling idea that there were it is a compelling idea that there were it is a compelling idea that there were multiple people there. Now, we know from multiple people there. Now, we know from multiple people there. Now, we know from trial that on the way out, there's these trial that on the way out, there's these trial that on the way out, there's these footprints, as I understand it, from footprints, as I understand it, from footprints, as I understand it, from these unique shoes that O.J. Simpson these unique shoes that O.J. Simpson these unique shoes that O.J. Simpson wears. You can discuss that. But also, wears. You can discuss that. But also, wears. You can discuss that. But also, are there other footprints leaving the are there other footprints leaving the are there other footprints leaving the scene that are not O.J.'s? Yes, there scene that are not O.J.'s? Yes, there scene that are not O.J.'s? Yes, there are. There's a 10 10 and 1/2 size are. There's a 10 10 and 1/2 size are. There's a 10 10 and 1/2 size parallel line print that Dr. Henry Lee parallel line print that Dr. Henry Lee parallel line print that Dr. Henry Lee and Barry Scheck talk about. They do a and Barry Scheck talk about. They do a and Barry Scheck talk about. They do a whole testimony on it, circle it. They whole testimony on it, circle it. They whole testimony on it, circle it. They call it the PLP, which means parallel call it the PLP, which means parallel call it the PLP, which means parallel line print. It's not O.J.'s. O.J. is a Z line print. It's not O.J.'s. O.J. is a Z line print. It's not O.J.'s. O.J. is a Z shape and he's a 12. shape and he's a 12. shape and he's a 12. They're different shoes. They're not They're different shoes. They're not They're different shoes. They're not close in size, they're not close in close in size, they're not close in close in size, they're not close in print, period. There's about four of the print, period. There's about four of the print, period. There's about four of the accomplices' shoes, whether those are accomplices' shoes, whether those are accomplices' shoes, whether those are Charlie's or the other gentleman. Charlie's or the other gentleman. Charlie's or the other gentleman. I pretty much know who it is, but let's I pretty much know who it is, but let's I pretty much know who it is, but let's just leave it open. just leave it open. just leave it open. Those are walking to the back, also. So, Those are walking to the back, also. So, Those are walking to the back, also. So, you have O.J.'s shoes, the Bruno Magli, you have O.J.'s shoes, the Bruno Magli, you have O.J.'s shoes, the Bruno Magli, size 12, Z shape, size 12, Z shape, size 12, Z shape, clear prints. I mean, multiple clear clear prints. I mean, multiple clear clear prints. I mean, multiple clear prints. They never found his shoes. prints. They never found his shoes. prints. They never found his shoes. That's the problem. They never found That's the problem. They never found That's the problem. They never found these clothes, the shoes. They found the these clothes, the shoes. They found the these clothes, the shoes. They found the hat and the two gloves. One glove at hat and the two gloves. One glove at hat and the two gloves. One glove at Rockingham, one glove at Bundy. You see Rockingham, one glove at Bundy. You see Rockingham, one glove at Bundy. You see what I mean? They didn't find the what I mean? They didn't find the what I mean? They didn't find the evidence. So, they didn't [snorts] find evidence. So, they didn't [snorts] find evidence. So, they didn't [snorts] find the knife or knives, right? So, the knife or knives, right? So, the knife or knives, right? So, there is Yes, there are shoe prints there is Yes, there are shoe prints there is Yes, there are shoe prints walking out of to the alley. Two two walking out of to the alley. Two two walking out of to the alley. Two two sets. sets. sets. Let's stay on the can't find the Let's stay on the can't find the Let's stay on the can't find the evidence. And I've heard two theories on evidence. And I've heard two theories on evidence. And I've heard two theories on that. The first theory is that it comes that. The first theory is that it comes that. The first theory is that it comes back in his duffel bag and Kardashian back in his duffel bag and Kardashian back in his duffel bag and Kardashian walks away from it when they're at the walks away from it when they're at the walks away from it when they're at the house house house when O.J. comes back. The other theory when O.J. comes back. The other theory when O.J. comes back. The other theory I've heard is that somebody saw him I've heard is that somebody saw him I've heard is that somebody saw him putting it in a trash can at LAX putting it in a trash can at LAX putting it in a trash can at LAX when he got out of the limo that night. when he got out of the limo that night. when he got out of the limo that night. Have you Have you Have you which of those two or neither do you which of those two or neither do you which of those two or neither do you believe to be why they never found believe to be why they never found believe to be why they never found everything? My my theory with all of everything? My my theory with all of everything? My my theory with all of this is that the Kardashian bag was a this is that the Kardashian bag was a this is that the Kardashian bag was a garment bag. There's nothing in there, garment bag. There's nothing in there, garment bag. There's nothing in there, okay? Even I think Kim Kardashian said okay? Even I think Kim Kardashian said okay? Even I think Kim Kardashian said she went through it. I don't know if she went through it. I don't know if she went through it. I don't know if that's true, but I think I heard that. that's true, but I think I heard that. that's true, but I think I heard that. That's his clothes. He That's his clothes. He That's his clothes. He Robert Kardashian should never have been Robert Kardashian should never have been Robert Kardashian should never have been allowed to take that. Here's another allowed to take that. Here's another allowed to take that. Here's another bumbling by the LAPD, okay? This man bumbling by the LAPD, okay? This man bumbling by the LAPD, okay? This man just came back. He's a murder suspect. just came back. He's a murder suspect. just came back. He's a murder suspect. You're Someone's grabbing his luggage? You're Someone's grabbing his luggage? You're Someone's grabbing his luggage? Like, it's insane. It's borderline Like, it's insane. It's borderline Like, it's insane. It's borderline insane. insane. insane. Um Um Um So, now Skip Junis says, "I saw O.J. So, now Skip Junis says, "I saw O.J. So, now Skip Junis says, "I saw O.J. sticking something in the garbage can." sticking something in the garbage can." sticking something in the garbage can." What I believe that is is the towel that What I believe that is is the towel that What I believe that is is the towel that O.J. used to wipe himself off at the O.J. used to wipe himself off at the O.J. used to wipe himself off at the house and possibly his boxer shorts, house and possibly his boxer shorts, house and possibly his boxer shorts, okay? That's what he's stuffing in the okay? That's what he's stuffing in the okay? That's what he's stuffing in the thing. But look, they said they searched thing. But look, they said they searched thing. But look, they said they searched all the trash cans at LAX. You can look all the trash cans at LAX. You can look all the trash cans at LAX. You can look it up. They said found nothing. So, I it up. They said found nothing. So, I it up. They said found nothing. So, I don't know what he's doing. I do believe don't know what he's doing. I do believe don't know what he's doing. I do believe Skip Junis. I don't think he's making it Skip Junis. I don't think he's making it Skip Junis. I don't think he's making it up. up. up. And O.J. didn't want them Alan Park and And O.J. didn't want them Alan Park and And O.J. didn't want them Alan Park and Kato to touch this bag. Kato to touch this bag. Kato to touch this bag. That stuff could be in there. That stuff could be in there. That stuff could be in there. Absolutely. Because look, think of it Absolutely. Because look, think of it Absolutely. Because look, think of it this way. What's he going to do with the this way. What's he going to do with the this way. What's he going to do with the towel after he goes in and he's bloody towel after he goes in and he's bloody towel after he goes in and he's bloody in his house? He can't leave that towel in his house? He can't leave that towel in his house? He can't leave that towel there. there. there. He leaves the socks there. Whether those He leaves the socks there. Whether those He leaves the socks there. Whether those are planted from the hamper, we don't are planted from the hamper, we don't are planted from the hamper, we don't know. They don't see blood on those know. They don't see blood on those know. They don't see blood on those socks at first. They don't think there's socks at first. They don't think there's socks at first. They don't think there's any blood. It comes weeks later. They any blood. It comes weeks later. They any blood. It comes weeks later. They go, "Oh, we found we found Nicole's go, "Oh, we found we found Nicole's go, "Oh, we found we found Nicole's blood." And then there's a whole drama blood." And then there's a whole drama blood." And then there's a whole drama about that. About the LAPD leaked a about that. About the LAPD leaked a about that. About the LAPD leaked a story with a woman named Tracy Savage story with a woman named Tracy Savage story with a woman named Tracy Savage because she was sleeping with him. because she was sleeping with him. because she was sleeping with him. Like again, it's this all this and this Like again, it's this all this and this Like again, it's this all this and this stuff didn't even get tested yet. stuff didn't even get tested yet. stuff didn't even get tested yet. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. And in your theory, I I suppose And in your theory, I I suppose And in your theory, I I suppose potentially this these other other man potentially this these other other man potentially this these other other man or other two men, they could have left or other two men, they could have left or other two men, they could have left with the evidence that Get rid of the with the evidence that Get rid of the with the evidence that Get rid of the clothes. OJ does not take these clothes clothes. OJ does not take these clothes clothes. OJ does not take these clothes back to his property. As for the glove, back to his property. As for the glove, back to his property. As for the glove, there's a couple of theories. Did Mark there's a couple of theories. Did Mark there's a couple of theories. Did Mark Fuhrman plant the glove? Did he take it Fuhrman plant the glove? Did he take it Fuhrman plant the glove? Did he take it from the crime scene? Did he put it in from the crime scene? Did he put it in from the crime scene? Did he put it in the Bronco first? And then when Kato the Bronco first? And then when Kato the Bronco first? And then when Kato says, "I heard" says, "I heard" says, "I heard" Then he goes, "Oh, I'll be right back." Then he goes, "Oh, I'll be right back." Then he goes, "Oh, I'll be right back." And then he takes the glove out of the And then he takes the glove out of the And then he takes the glove out of the Bronco and he puts it behind the house. Bronco and he puts it behind the house. Bronco and he puts it behind the house. We don't know. Are there other people We don't know. Are there other people We don't know. Are there other people jumping the fence when when OJ's coming jumping the fence when when OJ's coming jumping the fence when when OJ's coming back? They're all scrambling back to the back? They're all scrambling back to the back? They're all scrambling back to the property cuz their car's there? property cuz their car's there? property cuz their car's there? I don't know. These are There's a couple I don't know. These are There's a couple I don't know. These are There's a couple things I I don't have the answers to. things I I don't have the answers to. things I I don't have the answers to. But But But >> I think every answer I think it makes >> I think every answer I think it makes >> I think every answer I think it makes the story somewhat more credible. So the story somewhat more credible. So the story somewhat more credible. So many of you have asked how to see me many of you have asked how to see me many of you have asked how to see me speak live and for the first time ever, speak live and for the first time ever, speak live and for the first time ever, you can come see me speak live in you can come see me speak live in you can come see me speak live in person. All of my speeches have been person. 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By the way, why don't now OJ gets back. By the way, why don't now OJ gets back. By the way, why don't you at this point Do you say he's passed you at this point Do you say he's passed you at this point Do you say he's passed away? Do you want to give us the name of away? Do you want to give us the name of away? Do you want to give us the name of who you think the second guy is? who you think the second guy is? who you think the second guy is? I can say his name cuz it's out there. I can say his name cuz it's out there. I can say his name cuz it's out there. Joey Ippolito. Joey Ippolito. Joey Ippolito. Joey Ippolito. He He's a He's a rough Joey Ippolito. He He's a He's a rough Joey Ippolito. He He's a He's a rough dude, is what you're saying. Mafia, dude, is what you're saying. Mafia, dude, is what you're saying. Mafia, hardcore drug smuggler, killer, hardcore drug smuggler, killer, hardcore drug smuggler, killer, absolutely. absolutely. absolutely. So, Joey Ippolito and this other guy and So, Joey Ippolito and this other guy and So, Joey Ippolito and this other guy and OJ or or just the two of them get back OJ or or just the two of them get back OJ or or just the two of them get back in OJ's Bronco and they've got to get in OJ's Bronco and they've got to get in OJ's Bronco and they've got to get back to OJ's house. While this murder is back to OJ's house. While this murder is back to OJ's house. While this murder is happening, the limo driver has already happening, the limo driver has already happening, the limo driver has already arrived at OJ's house. Just so everybody arrived at OJ's house. Just so everybody arrived at OJ's house. Just so everybody get the timing. Also, because I'm from get the timing. Also, because I'm from get the timing. Also, because I'm from that area, you should just let everybody that area, you should just let everybody that area, you should just let everybody know how close it is back to OJ's house. know how close it is back to OJ's house. know how close it is back to OJ's house. And then And then And then take us through that. How quick's the take us through that. How quick's the take us through that. How quick's the drive? And then what do you believe drive? And then what do you believe drive? And then what do you believe takes place next? takes place next? takes place next? OJ does drive the vehicle. The one guy OJ does drive the vehicle. The one guy OJ does drive the vehicle. The one guy or two guys are passengers, we'll say or two guys are passengers, we'll say or two guys are passengers, we'll say that. He almost hits Jill Shively, that. He almost hits Jill Shively, that. He almost hits Jill Shively, crashes through San Vicente, lights off. crashes through San Vicente, lights off. crashes through San Vicente, lights off. This is a very famous story. She sees This is a very famous story. She sees This is a very famous story. She sees him, gets the license plate. This is him, gets the license plate. This is him, gets the license plate. This is about 10:50 p.m. It's the proper time. about 10:50 p.m. It's the proper time. about 10:50 p.m. It's the proper time. It all lines up. They race back lights It all lines up. They race back lights It all lines up. They race back lights off, which is insane. I just did this off, which is insane. I just did this off, which is insane. I just did this drive yesterday. drive yesterday. drive yesterday. He drives about 2-3 minutes to He drives about 2-3 minutes to He drives about 2-3 minutes to Rockingham, and he's up there and he Rockingham, and he's up there and he Rockingham, and he's up there and he parks on a side street. He's cannot pull parks on a side street. He's cannot pull parks on a side street. He's cannot pull up to the the house. He cannot. OJ's up to the the house. He cannot. OJ's up to the the house. He cannot. OJ's dropped off. dropped off. dropped off. Whichever way he comes in, does he come Whichever way he comes in, does he come Whichever way he comes in, does he come through the front gate? Does he jump the through the front gate? Does he jump the through the front gate? Does he jump the fence? Does he go through through the fence? Does he go through through the fence? Does he go through through the two tennis courts? In his book, he says two tennis courts? In his book, he says two tennis courts? In his book, he says he comes through the tennis courts he comes through the tennis courts he comes through the tennis courts around the back of the house. That's around the back of the house. That's around the back of the house. That's what he says. We don't know, okay? The what he says. We don't know, okay? The what he says. We don't know, okay? The blood droplets kind of lead from the blood droplets kind of lead from the blood droplets kind of lead from the gate to the house. He could have come gate to the house. He could have come gate to the house. He could have come through the front gate, dropped him off through the front gate, dropped him off through the front gate, dropped him off there. The Bronco is not parked there. The Bronco is not parked there. The Bronco is not parked at all. at all. at all. Okay? It is being held on another street Okay? It is being held on another street Okay? It is being held on another street with the evidence in it. with the evidence in it. with the evidence in it. OJ comes back quickly, OJ comes back quickly, OJ comes back quickly, comes in the house. Alan Park says I saw comes in the house. Alan Park says I saw comes in the house. Alan Park says I saw an all an all an all uh uh 6-ft black man dressed in all uh uh 6-ft black man dressed in all uh uh 6-ft black man dressed in all black clothing. I think it's his skin. I black clothing. I think it's his skin. I black clothing. I think it's his skin. I don't think he's dressed. He's stripped don't think he's dressed. He's stripped don't think he's dressed. He's stripped down. He's not seeing him in any down. He's not seeing him in any down. He's not seeing him in any clothes, okay? Maybe black boxers and clothes, okay? Maybe black boxers and clothes, okay? Maybe black boxers and black black black Limo driver, everybody. The limo driver, Limo driver, everybody. The limo driver, Limo driver, everybody. The limo driver, Alan Park. Very key witness, as was Kato Alan Park. Very key witness, as was Kato Alan Park. Very key witness, as was Kato Kaelin, because they're together when OJ Kaelin, because they're together when OJ Kaelin, because they're together when OJ reenters the house. Literally, he sees reenters the house. Literally, he sees reenters the house. Literally, he sees Kato at the same time he sees OJ in the Kato at the same time he sees OJ in the Kato at the same time he sees OJ in the driveway. He won't say OJ, though. driveway. He won't say OJ, though. driveway. He won't say OJ, though. He keeps saying He keeps saying He keeps saying a 6-ft black man. So, that's something a 6-ft black man. So, that's something a 6-ft black man. So, that's something he has to address the rest of his life, he has to address the rest of his life, he has to address the rest of his life, okay? And OJ rushes in, then he's still okay? And OJ rushes in, then he's still okay? And OJ rushes in, then he's still buzzing at the gate, and he finally buzzing at the gate, and he finally buzzing at the gate, and he finally answers and says, "Oh, I overslept. I'll answers and says, "Oh, I overslept. I'll answers and says, "Oh, I overslept. I'll be right down." be right down." be right down." Showering. I don't even know if he Showering. I don't even know if he Showering. I don't even know if he showers. showers. showers. He says he took a shower. To me, I think He says he took a shower. To me, I think He says he took a shower. To me, I think he just cleans up. I don't think he he just cleans up. I don't think he he just cleans up. I don't think he showers. showers. showers. They do find blood in the sink drain, They do find blood in the sink drain, They do find blood in the sink drain, but not in the pipe, supposedly. but not in the pipe, supposedly. but not in the pipe, supposedly. Whatever. In the bathroom sink drain, Whatever. In the bathroom sink drain, Whatever. In the bathroom sink drain, they find a blood. I think he has enough they find a blood. I think he has enough they find a blood. I think he has enough time to shower. time to shower. time to shower. So, he's racing to dry himself off, put So, he's racing to dry himself off, put So, he's racing to dry himself off, put on a band-aid to his cut left middle on a band-aid to his cut left middle on a band-aid to his cut left middle finger, right? finger, right? finger, right? And now he's coming down like nothing And now he's coming down like nothing And now he's coming down like nothing happened. After mode. He's a little out happened. After mode. He's a little out happened. After mode. He's a little out of breath. They talk about that. Little of breath. They talk about that. Little of breath. They talk about that. Little sweaty. sweaty. sweaty. Like look like he's a little frazzled. Like look like he's a little frazzled. Like look like he's a little frazzled. And then he starts loading the And then he starts loading the And then he starts loading the limousine. limousine. limousine. And And And the limo pulls away and that's when the the limo pulls away and that's when the the limo pulls away and that's when the Bronco comes back and it's parked when Bronco comes back and it's parked when Bronco comes back and it's parked when they're gone. they're gone. they're gone. So these guys were in the Bronco. Just So these guys were in the Bronco. Just So these guys were in the Bronco. Just because you said blood, I just want to because you said blood, I just want to because you said blood, I just want to ask you two blood questions cuz it's ask you two blood questions cuz it's ask you two blood questions cuz it's evidence. Whose blood was found in his evidence. Whose blood was found in his evidence. Whose blood was found in his sink and whose blood was eventually sink and whose blood was eventually sink and whose blood was eventually found in the Bronco? OJ's blood is found found in the Bronco? OJ's blood is found found in the Bronco? OJ's blood is found in the sink. Okay, what about the in the sink. Okay, what about the in the sink. Okay, what about the Bronco? The Bronco, all of their blood. Bronco? The Bronco, all of their blood. Bronco? The Bronco, all of their blood. Now watch. Ron, Nicole, Now watch. Ron, Nicole, Now watch. Ron, Nicole, OJ, and OJ, and OJ, and the other accomplice. the other accomplice. the other accomplice. There's four different blood samples. There's four different blood samples. There's four different blood samples. The steering wheel steering column is OJ The steering wheel steering column is OJ The steering wheel steering column is OJ tells you this in his Ross Becker tells you this in his Ross Becker tells you this in his Ross Becker interview. He says there was blood on interview. He says there was blood on interview. He says there was blood on the steering wheel that didn't come back the steering wheel that didn't come back the steering wheel that didn't come back to me, Ron, or Nicole. I I I offer whose to me, Ron, or Nicole. I I I offer whose to me, Ron, or Nicole. I I I offer whose blood was that? Cuz he's trying to tell blood was that? Cuz he's trying to tell blood was that? Cuz he's trying to tell you, he knows through all the evidence. you, he knows through all the evidence. you, he knows through all the evidence. And this was after he was acquitted, so And this was after he was acquitted, so And this was after he was acquitted, so he could speak. You know what I mean? He he could speak. You know what I mean? He he could speak. You know what I mean? He He could tell you now. He could tell you now. He could tell you now. That was the first interview. It's a That was the first interview. It's a That was the first interview. It's a fascinating interview. People should fascinating interview. People should fascinating interview. People should watch the Ross Becker interview and and watch the Ross Becker interview and and watch the Ross Becker interview and and there's the BET one he does, one in there's the BET one he does, one in there's the BET one he does, one in England. He does a few over the years England. He does a few over the years England. He does a few over the years and he tells you. and he tells you. and he tells you. And then he tells you and and if I did And then he tells you and and if I did And then he tells you and and if I did it, he had help. You just didn't want to it, he had help. You just didn't want to it, he had help. You just didn't want to believe him. And the media was somewhat believe him. And the media was somewhat believe him. And the media was somewhat forced to block the story. forced to block the story. forced to block the story. Why is the media forced to block the Why is the media forced to block the Why is the media forced to block the story? In in 2006 because story? In in 2006 because story? In in 2006 because the Goldmans, when OJ does the book in the Goldmans, when OJ does the book in the Goldmans, when OJ does the book in the interview, the Goldmans get so mad, the interview, the Goldmans get so mad, the interview, the Goldmans get so mad, they write Rupert Murdoch and Fox, and they write Rupert Murdoch and Fox, and they write Rupert Murdoch and Fox, and Rupert fires Judith Regan and shelves Rupert fires Judith Regan and shelves Rupert fires Judith Regan and shelves the interview. The book is kind of the interview. The book is kind of the interview. The book is kind of shelved, but it kind of comes out, but shelved, but it kind of comes out, but shelved, but it kind of comes out, but that interview is never seen for 12 that interview is never seen for 12 that interview is never seen for 12 years. years. years. Remember that. Okay, so I guess we Remember that. Okay, so I guess we Remember that. Okay, so I guess we should go to now he's in Chicago. They should go to now he's in Chicago. They should go to now he's in Chicago. They call him back. It is important cuz not call him back. It is important cuz not call him back. It is important cuz not everybody knows these details. You everybody knows these details. You everybody knows these details. You referenced it earlier. He has a pretty referenced it earlier. He has a pretty referenced it earlier. He has a pretty significant wound on him. significant wound on him. significant wound on him. And what's the story for where this And what's the story for where this And what's the story for where this wound came from? Cuz he had to come up wound came from? Cuz he had to come up wound came from? Cuz he had to come up with this ex- explanation for that. And with this ex- explanation for that. And with this ex- explanation for that. And he's I mean, he's still bleeding. he's I mean, he's still bleeding. he's I mean, he's still bleeding. If you look at the photo when he comes If you look at the photo when he comes If you look at the photo when he comes back 12 hours later, it's over 12 hours back 12 hours later, it's over 12 hours back 12 hours later, it's over 12 hours after the murders, he is still bleeding. after the murders, he is still bleeding. after the murders, he is still bleeding. It's crazy. It's on his left It's crazy. It's on his left It's crazy. It's on his left middle finger. middle finger. middle finger. Now, there's two theories. Mark Fuhrman Now, there's two theories. Mark Fuhrman Now, there's two theories. Mark Fuhrman thought the dog bit him. thought the dog bit him. thought the dog bit him. That's viable, right? The dog's barking, That's viable, right? The dog's barking, That's viable, right? The dog's barking, the dog witnesses the murders. The dog's the dog witnesses the murders. The dog's the dog witnesses the murders. The dog's name was Kato, named after Kato Kaelin. name was Kato, named after Kato Kaelin. name was Kato, named after Kato Kaelin. The doctor says these are glass shards, The doctor says these are glass shards, The doctor says these are glass shards, okay? Huizenga, who was O.J.'s doctor, okay? Huizenga, who was O.J.'s doctor, okay? Huizenga, who was O.J.'s doctor, there's a couple little cuts there. And there's a couple little cuts there. And there's a couple little cuts there. And O.J. says he broke the glass in the sink O.J. says he broke the glass in the sink O.J. says he broke the glass in the sink in Chicago, so that's where he says it in Chicago, so that's where he says it in Chicago, so that's where he says it comes from. comes from. comes from. What I believe happened is he is hit What I believe happened is he is hit What I believe happened is he is hit with a knife on his finger. Whether it's with a knife on his finger. Whether it's with a knife on his finger. Whether it's himself himself himself or it's the other assailant, when or it's the other assailant, when or it's the other assailant, when they're swinging his hand is either on they're swinging his hand is either on they're swinging his hand is either on Ron's neck or grabbing his hair, and he Ron's neck or grabbing his hair, and he Ron's neck or grabbing his hair, and he gets popped. gets popped. gets popped. That's what I believe that is. That's what I believe that is. That's what I believe that is. It just as a as a in the interest of It just as a as a in the interest of It just as a as a in the interest of protecting everybody involved here. protecting everybody involved here. protecting everybody involved here. You said earlier that you're you're 90% You said earlier that you're you're 90% You said earlier that you're you're 90% sure these two guys are involved, but sure these two guys are involved, but sure these two guys are involved, but you're 100% sure at least one of them is you're 100% sure at least one of them is you're 100% sure at least one of them is involved with them. involved with them. involved with them. And I I know this is obvious, but I just And I I know this is obvious, but I just And I I know this is obvious, but I just want to take this for the record cuz want to take this for the record cuz want to take this for the record cuz this is your story, it's not mine. this is your story, it's not mine. this is your story, it's not mine. You're 100% sure about O.J.'s You're 100% sure about O.J.'s You're 100% sure about O.J.'s involvement. 100%. involvement. 100%. involvement. 100%. So, he gets back, we'll go to the house So, he gets back, we'll go to the house So, he gets back, we'll go to the house just really quick again and put a bow on just really quick again and put a bow on just really quick again and put a bow on this. O.J. gets back to the house. The this. O.J. gets back to the house. The this. O.J. gets back to the house. The theory is Kato says he hears a thump on theory is Kato says he hears a thump on theory is Kato says he hears a thump on the guest house that he's in, right? the guest house that he's in, right? the guest house that he's in, right? Yeah. That's weird to me, but I've Yeah. That's weird to me, but I've Yeah. That's weird to me, but I've always thought that was odd. A signal always thought that was odd. A signal always thought that was odd. A signal because the way Kato says it in in the because the way Kato says it in in the because the way Kato says it in in the very beginning he makes a noise like oh very beginning he makes a noise like oh very beginning he makes a noise like oh somebody hit the wall and it was like somebody hit the wall and it was like somebody hit the wall and it was like Then when he's in the trial he goes Then when he's in the trial he goes Then when he's in the trial he goes He makes it very deliberate as if He makes it very deliberate as if He makes it very deliberate as if someone's signaling that him. someone's signaling that him. someone's signaling that him. Now whether he's thinking straight I Now whether he's thinking straight I Now whether he's thinking straight I don't know. He messes up a couple times don't know. He messes up a couple times don't know. He messes up a couple times in the trial like well the lights were in the trial like well the lights were in the trial like well the lights were off. Oh no they were on. He's like he's off. Oh no they were on. He's like he's off. Oh no they were on. He's like he's trying to help OJ like he he doesn't trying to help OJ like he he doesn't trying to help OJ like he he doesn't know what to say. So he's getting He's know what to say. So he's getting He's know what to say. So he's getting He's trying to give different answers. I trying to give different answers. I trying to give different answers. I believe believe believe I think OJ came behind the house and I think OJ came behind the house and I think OJ came behind the house and signaled for Kato to come out. I could signaled for Kato to come out. I could signaled for Kato to come out. I could be wrong. be wrong. be wrong. He's not crashing in any air He's not crashing in any air He's not crashing in any air conditioner. OJ knows the property like conditioner. OJ knows the property like conditioner. OJ knows the property like the back of his hand. He's not crashing the back of his hand. He's not crashing the back of his hand. He's not crashing in anything. I think he's saying to come in anything. I think he's saying to come in anything. I think he's saying to come out and distract the limousine driver. out and distract the limousine driver. out and distract the limousine driver. I can't prove it. I can't prove it. I can't prove it. Kato will not talk to me. He will not Kato will not talk to me. He will not Kato will not talk to me. He will not address it at all. So I'm sticking with address it at all. So I'm sticking with address it at all. So I'm sticking with that for now that it that's it's it's a that for now that it that's it's it's a that for now that it that's it's it's a signal. Okay. It could be A or B bump or signal. Okay. It could be A or B bump or signal. Okay. It could be A or B bump or signal. Okay. So just a couple things signal. Okay. So just a couple things signal. Okay. So just a couple things have always bothered me about this whole have always bothered me about this whole have always bothered me about this whole story. This is compelling what you're story. This is compelling what you're story. This is compelling what you're saying and if this evidence you've saying and if this evidence you've saying and if this evidence you've described is accurate it's mind-blowing described is accurate it's mind-blowing described is accurate it's mind-blowing that the world doesn't know this. It's that the world doesn't know this. It's that the world doesn't know this. It's mind-blowing that they got through an mind-blowing that they got through an mind-blowing that they got through an entire the most public trial entire the most public trial entire the most public trial in the history of our country in the history of our country in the history of our country and that many of these things the first and that many of these things the first and that many of these things the first time most human beings are hearing this time most human beings are hearing this time most human beings are hearing this is right now. is right now. is right now. That's mind-blowing to me number one. That's mind-blowing to me number one. That's mind-blowing to me number one. Number two there was little parts of Number two there was little parts of Number two there was little parts of everything I just always thought I everything I just always thought I everything I just always thought I thought I I you know be candid I I thought I I you know be candid I I thought I I you know be candid I I thought OJ did it right? But I I was thought OJ did it right? But I I was thought OJ did it right? But I I was around that so I saw it but around that so I saw it but around that so I saw it but this idea of the glove not fitting you this idea of the glove not fitting you this idea of the glove not fitting you know if it doesn't fit you must acquit. know if it doesn't fit you must acquit. know if it doesn't fit you must acquit. That part to me never bugged me. What That part to me never bugged me. What That part to me never bugged me. What bugged me was how the heck does one bugged me was how the heck does one bugged me was how the heck does one glove end up at OJ's house? That just glove end up at OJ's house? That just glove end up at OJ's house? That just seems weird to me. seems weird to me. seems weird to me. It it it's bizarre like can you address It it it's bizarre like can you address It it it's bizarre like can you address your thing I have two thoughts on it. your thing I have two thoughts on it. your thing I have two thoughts on it. One One One How'd he bring one club over there, How'd he bring one club over there, How'd he bring one club over there, right? There's a part of me that's like right? There's a part of me that's like right? There's a part of me that's like there's no way that's true, but then there's no way that's true, but then there's no way that's true, but then there's another part of me that thinks there's another part of me that thinks there's another part of me that thinks in the heat of the moment Fuhrman's not in the heat of the moment Fuhrman's not in the heat of the moment Fuhrman's not going to take a glove and plant it cuz going to take a glove and plant it cuz going to take a glove and plant it cuz he's not 100% sure OJ did it. he's not 100% sure OJ did it. he's not 100% sure OJ did it. So why would you then go hide or move So why would you then go hide or move So why would you then go hide or move evidence that early? evidence that early? evidence that early? Not even knowing you got the right guy, Not even knowing you got the right guy, Not even knowing you got the right guy, not knowing what happened. You could not knowing what happened. You could not knowing what happened. You could lose your entire career by putting that lose your entire career by putting that lose your entire career by putting that glove there maybe unnecessarily. So both glove there maybe unnecessarily. So both glove there maybe unnecessarily. So both of those sort of just I don't I can't I of those sort of just I don't I can't I of those sort of just I don't I can't I can't get my mind around it. There's two can't get my mind around it. There's two can't get my mind around it. There's two theories. I'm going to give you both and theories. I'm going to give you both and theories. I'm going to give you both and I'm going to leave a little cliffhanger I'm going to leave a little cliffhanger I'm going to leave a little cliffhanger for these other guys to do their theory for these other guys to do their theory for these other guys to do their theory because there's some other people because there's some other people because there's some other people working on this right now that are working on this right now that are working on this right now that are bringing up some good points about how bringing up some good points about how bringing up some good points about how that glove got back there. that glove got back there. that glove got back there. The first theory is the Stephen singular The first theory is the Stephen singular The first theory is the Stephen singular theory which was legacy of deception. He theory which was legacy of deception. He theory which was legacy of deception. He was instrumental. He was a reporter from was instrumental. He was a reporter from was instrumental. He was a reporter from Colorado source said you need to look at Colorado source said you need to look at Colorado source said you need to look at the glove, the blood, the bag and the the glove, the blood, the bag and the the glove, the blood, the bag and the stick. And he wrote a book called legacy stick. And he wrote a book called legacy stick. And he wrote a book called legacy of deception. of deception. of deception. He told the prosecution softly. They He told the prosecution softly. They He told the prosecution softly. They wanted nothing to do with them. He went wanted nothing to do with them. He went wanted nothing to do with them. He went to the defense. He says Mark Fuhrman to the defense. He says Mark Fuhrman to the defense. He says Mark Fuhrman takes the glove from the crime scene takes the glove from the crime scene takes the glove from the crime scene and puts it in the Bronco. and puts it in the Bronco. and puts it in the Bronco. Okay? Okay? Okay? He knows OJ's involved. He knows OJ's involved. He knows OJ's involved. He know he is he knows he is. He knows He know he is he knows he is. He knows He know he is he knows he is. He knows it's Nicole. He knows where he is. He it's Nicole. He knows where he is. He it's Nicole. He knows where he is. He lies and says oh I didn't know it was lies and says oh I didn't know it was lies and says oh I didn't know it was Nicole till like 6:00 in the morning. Nicole till like 6:00 in the morning. Nicole till like 6:00 in the morning. That he knew exactly who it was. They That he knew exactly who it was. They That he knew exactly who it was. They they saw the pictures of OJ in the they saw the pictures of OJ in the they saw the pictures of OJ in the house. They knew who it was. house. They knew who it was. house. They knew who it was. Mark Fuhrman has a history of planting Mark Fuhrman has a history of planting Mark Fuhrman has a history of planting evidence. evidence. evidence. Okay? Period. Provable end of story. Did Okay? Period. Provable end of story. Did Okay? Period. Provable end of story. Did crazy things. He he made the Mark crazy things. He he made the Mark crazy things. He he made the Mark Fuhrman tapes. He talked about this. Fuhrman tapes. He talked about this. Fuhrman tapes. He talked about this. Then he tried to backpedal and said oh Then he tried to backpedal and said oh Then he tried to backpedal and said oh it was all for a movie. Okay, sure. This it was all for a movie. Okay, sure. This it was all for a movie. Okay, sure. This is the theme of everybody. They're all is the theme of everybody. They're all is the theme of everybody. They're all got like two they're always got like two they're always got like two they're always flip-flopping, okay? flip-flopping, okay? flip-flopping, okay? So, he says he puts it in the Bronco So, he says he puts it in the Bronco So, he says he puts it in the Bronco with first and leaves it in there. with first and leaves it in there. with first and leaves it in there. When when he interviews Kato and Kato When when he interviews Kato and Kato When when he interviews Kato and Kato goes, "I heard something. There was goes, "I heard something. There was goes, "I heard something. There was there an earthquake?" I heard something there an earthquake?" I heard something there an earthquake?" I heard something in the back of my wall. Mark Fuhrman in the back of my wall. Mark Fuhrman in the back of my wall. Mark Fuhrman leaves him for 15 minutes and nobody leaves him for 15 minutes and nobody leaves him for 15 minutes and nobody knows where Mark Fuhrman is. knows where Mark Fuhrman is. knows where Mark Fuhrman is. Even Van Atter and Lang and I think Ron Even Van Atter and Lang and I think Ron Even Van Atter and Lang and I think Ron Phillips is there. They're not they Phillips is there. They're not they Phillips is there. They're not they don't know where Fuhrman is. They're don't know where Fuhrman is. They're don't know where Fuhrman is. They're still with Arnelle and Kato. Fuhrman still with Arnelle and Kato. Fuhrman still with Arnelle and Kato. Fuhrman disappears for 15 minutes. That's why F. disappears for 15 minutes. That's why F. disappears for 15 minutes. That's why F. Lee Bailey and the other lawyers, they Lee Bailey and the other lawyers, they Lee Bailey and the other lawyers, they tried to say every minute what's he tried to say every minute what's he tried to say every minute what's he doing? doing? doing? See Stephen Singular's theory is he goes See Stephen Singular's theory is he goes See Stephen Singular's theory is he goes to the Bronco, he has a stick that he to the Bronco, he has a stick that he to the Bronco, he has a stick that he pulled from a fence, he picks up the pulled from a fence, he picks up the pulled from a fence, he picks up the glove, whether he has it in evidence bag glove, whether he has it in evidence bag glove, whether he has it in evidence bag or he just walks it in the back and or he just walks it in the back and or he just walks it in the back and drops it there. And he puts it there. drops it there. And he puts it there. drops it there. And he puts it there. Now, that's the first theory. Okay? Now, that's the first theory. Okay? Now, that's the first theory. Okay? The second theory is a new set of people The second theory is a new set of people The second theory is a new set of people are working on are working on are working on that they believe I don't want to say that they believe I don't want to say that they believe I don't want to say too much. They believe that glove falls too much. They believe that glove falls too much. They believe that glove falls out of something out of something out of something not by O.J. doing that. That someone not by O.J. doing that. That someone not by O.J. doing that. That someone else dropped it. else dropped it. else dropped it. That's up to them. I need to leave that That's up to them. I need to leave that That's up to them. I need to leave that open. I can't talk too much about it. I open. I can't talk too much about it. I open. I can't talk too much about it. I just don't know the just don't know the just don't know the the glove being there is one of the more the glove being there is one of the more the glove being there is one of the more bizarre parts of the entire trial to me. bizarre parts of the entire trial to me. bizarre parts of the entire trial to me. No, it's I mean it makes me crazy. Yeah, No, it's I mean it makes me crazy. Yeah, No, it's I mean it makes me crazy. Yeah, me too. And yet at the same time I'm me too. And yet at the same time I'm me too. And yet at the same time I'm thinking Fuhrman's taken a pretty huge thinking Fuhrman's taken a pretty huge thinking Fuhrman's taken a pretty huge risk doing that that night not knowing risk doing that that night not knowing risk doing that that night not knowing all of the elements. You have to listen all of the elements. You have to listen all of the elements. You have to listen to the Fuhrman tapes. He planted to the Fuhrman tapes. He planted to the Fuhrman tapes. He planted evidence on other men before. Marcia evidence on other men before. Marcia evidence on other men before. Marcia Clark knew he was a cop. They knew they Clark knew he was a cop. They knew they Clark knew he was a cop. They knew they warned her. warned her. warned her. Don't use him. Don't use him. Don't use him. Remember what Stephen Singular is saying Remember what Stephen Singular is saying Remember what Stephen Singular is saying and I knew Stephen, he passed away. What and I knew Stephen, he passed away. What and I knew Stephen, he passed away. What he's trying to say is Mark wants to be he's trying to say is Mark wants to be he's trying to say is Mark wants to be in the center of the case. So, what in the center of the case. So, what in the center of the case. So, what better way for him to find the glove? better way for him to find the glove? better way for him to find the glove? Okay. Okay. He injects himself right Okay. Okay. He injects himself right Okay. Okay. He injects himself right into it. into it. into it. Why is uh couple things by the way this Why is uh couple things by the way this Why is uh couple things by the way this is just fascinating and thank you for is just fascinating and thank you for is just fascinating and thank you for the information. I don't have I've been the information. I don't have I've been the information. I don't have I've been The sad thing is the funny thing is see The sad thing is the funny thing is see The sad thing is the funny thing is see you don't know about this because the you don't know about this because the you don't know about this because the media is blocking the story. That's why media is blocking the story. That's why media is blocking the story. That's why you don't know. Even though I've been you don't know. Even though I've been you don't know. Even though I've been screaming from the mountaintop for 5 screaming from the mountaintop for 5 screaming from the mountaintop for 5 years and there's stuff at all the major years and there's stuff at all the major years and there's stuff at all the major outlets and they refuse to tell the outlets and they refuse to tell the outlets and they refuse to tell the story. story. story. Why though? So everything I always look Why though? So everything I always look Why though? So everything I always look at is like okay why would Furman put the at is like okay why would Furman put the at is like okay why would Furman put the glove over there? Like realistically. glove over there? Like realistically. glove over there? Like realistically. Why did they not pay attention to the Why did they not pay attention to the Why did they not pay attention to the blood evidence at the scene? Why would blood evidence at the scene? Why would blood evidence at the scene? Why would the media now 30 years later why would the media now 30 years later why would the media now 30 years later why would they block this? Or do they just not they block this? Or do they just not they block this? Or do they just not believe it? Do they just believe it? Do they just believe it? Do they just be as simple as they don't believe it? be as simple as they don't believe it? be as simple as they don't believe it? We could give them partial partially We could give them partial partially We could give them partial partially that out. Right? We could say hey they that out. Right? We could say hey they that out. Right? We could say hey they don't believe Chris Todd. don't believe Chris Todd. don't believe Chris Todd. They don't believe this Charlie guy. They don't believe this Charlie guy. They don't believe this Charlie guy. Problem is did you talk to Charlie? Problem is did you talk to Charlie? Problem is did you talk to Charlie? Did you do any investigation? Cuz if you Did you do any investigation? Cuz if you Did you do any investigation? Cuz if you did you'd see it. did you'd see it. did you'd see it. See I'm not calling them lazy. What I'm See I'm not calling them lazy. What I'm See I'm not calling them lazy. What I'm saying and and I used other people to do saying and and I used other people to do saying and and I used other people to do it not just me cuz I had to prove it not just me cuz I had to prove it not just me cuz I had to prove they're not just mad at me. They blocked they're not just mad at me. They blocked they're not just mad at me. They blocked everybody else too. All of them. They everybody else too. All of them. They everybody else too. All of them. They blocked them all. I believe what they're blocked them all. I believe what they're blocked them all. I believe what they're doing is it's a paradigm they don't want doing is it's a paradigm they don't want doing is it's a paradigm they don't want to change it. Right? It's kind of like to change it. Right? It's kind of like to change it. Right? It's kind of like JFK. You got the museums they don't want JFK. You got the museums they don't want JFK. You got the museums they don't want to change Lee Harvey Oswald. So if you to change Lee Harvey Oswald. So if you to change Lee Harvey Oswald. So if you say oh I know who the shooter was on the say oh I know who the shooter was on the say oh I know who the shooter was on the grassy knoll they don't want to hear it. grassy knoll they don't want to hear it. grassy knoll they don't want to hear it. They don't they don't want to hear it. They don't they don't want to hear it. They don't they don't want to hear it. So and this goes to the truth and I talk So and this goes to the truth and I talk So and this goes to the truth and I talk about Copernicus and the stories of you about Copernicus and the stories of you about Copernicus and the stories of you know when people speak a truth I'm not know when people speak a truth I'm not know when people speak a truth I'm not going to say Jesus that's way out of my going to say Jesus that's way out of my going to say Jesus that's way out of my league but when they speak a truth that league but when they speak a truth that league but when they speak a truth that nobody wants an inconvenient truth they nobody wants an inconvenient truth they nobody wants an inconvenient truth they they shun it. they shun it. they shun it. They get rid of it. It so it's not a They get rid of it. It so it's not a They get rid of it. It so it's not a weird it's not that weird. You know what weird it's not that weird. You know what weird it's not that weird. You know what I mean? Well the inconvenient truth is I mean? Well the inconvenient truth is I mean? Well the inconvenient truth is you're leading me where I want to go. I you're leading me where I want to go. I you're leading me where I want to go. I don't want to go into the trial because, don't want to go into the trial because, don't want to go into the trial because, you know, I've done enough reading on you know, I've done enough reading on you know, I've done enough reading on the trial about, you know, I it even the trial about, you know, I it even the trial about, you know, I it even after jury selection, I don't think O.J. after jury selection, I don't think O.J. after jury selection, I don't think O.J. was going to be convicted. was going to be convicted. was going to be convicted. I don't think I don't think I don't think I think the legal team was tremendous. I think the legal team was tremendous. I think the legal team was tremendous. Um Chris Darden seems like a nice guy. Um Chris Darden seems like a nice guy. Um Chris Darden seems like a nice guy. Marcia, you have your theories about Marcia, you have your theories about Marcia, you have your theories about them. I don't even want to cover that. I them. I don't even want to cover that. I them. I don't even want to cover that. I it it looked like the deck was stacked it it looked like the deck was stacked it it looked like the deck was stacked and obviously I think even in retrospect and obviously I think even in retrospect and obviously I think even in retrospect Marcia or Darden would probably tell you Marcia or Darden would probably tell you Marcia or Darden would probably tell you they do some things differently for they do some things differently for they do some things differently for sure. I've actually I've actually seen sure. I've actually I've actually seen sure. I've actually I've actually seen Chris Darden say that. Chris Darden say that. Chris Darden say that. I want to go after the trial. So, I want to go after the trial. So, I want to go after the trial. So, there's obviously most people don't know there's obviously most people don't know there's obviously most people don't know this, but there's a civil trial this, but there's a civil trial this, but there's a civil trial afterwards cuz most people think O.J. afterwards cuz most people think O.J. afterwards cuz most people think O.J. was innocent. He got off or wasn't was innocent. He got off or wasn't was innocent. He got off or wasn't innocent, but he was found innocent, but he was found innocent, but he was found Right, he was acquitted, right? Well, Right, he was acquitted, right? Well, Right, he was acquitted, right? Well, yeah, but then there was a civil trial. yeah, but then there was a civil trial. yeah, but then there was a civil trial. Why don't you just refresh everybody's Why don't you just refresh everybody's Why don't you just refresh everybody's memory what happened there because this memory what happened there because this memory what happened there because this is valid and then on top of that Chris, is valid and then on top of that Chris, is valid and then on top of that Chris, why would he then do these interviews why would he then do these interviews why would he then do these interviews and write a book if I did it? What was and write a book if I did it? What was and write a book if I did it? What was his motivation for doing Was it just his motivation for doing Was it just his motivation for doing Was it just money? money? money? Why did he do it? [clears throat] So, Why did he do it? [clears throat] So, Why did he do it? [clears throat] So, talk about the civil and also O.J. would talk about the civil and also O.J. would talk about the civil and also O.J. would even afterwards do all this, which is even afterwards do all this, which is even afterwards do all this, which is just bizarre. just bizarre. just bizarre. The civil trial, he is found guilty, the The civil trial, he is found guilty, the The civil trial, he is found guilty, the preponderance of evidence, 51% whatever preponderance of evidence, 51% whatever preponderance of evidence, 51% whatever you want to say. He does long you want to say. He does long you want to say. He does long depositions. He speaks, he sings for depositions. He speaks, he sings for depositions. He speaks, he sings for days. They got him in there for like 7-8 days. They got him in there for like 7-8 days. They got him in there for like 7-8 days in the deposition. He's wearing his days in the deposition. He's wearing his days in the deposition. He's wearing his different sweaters. You can see by the different sweaters. You can see by the different sweaters. You can see by the different days by his clothing. He's different days by his clothing. He's different days by his clothing. He's there forever. He's talking. You can't there forever. He's talking. You can't there forever. He's talking. You can't You can't pinch him. You can't pinch him. You can't pinch him. One of his lawyers told him not to talk. One of his lawyers told him not to talk. One of his lawyers told him not to talk. And and he said, "No, I'm going to." And And and he said, "No, I'm going to." And And and he said, "No, I'm going to." And I know the lawyer personally. He's a I know the lawyer personally. He's a I know the lawyer personally. He's a good guy. good guy. good guy. He told him, "Don't say a word." He told him, "Don't say a word." He told him, "Don't say a word." Let's just go to it, but O.J. tried to Let's just go to it, but O.J. tried to Let's just go to it, but O.J. tried to talk himself out of it and he lost. So, talk himself out of it and he lost. So, talk himself out of it and he lost. So, that was a $33 million judgment for the that was a $33 million judgment for the that was a $33 million judgment for the Browns and the Goldmans together Browns and the Goldmans together Browns and the Goldmans together that he was found responsible for their that he was found responsible for their that he was found responsible for their murders. He never paid a dime. murders. He never paid a dime. murders. He never paid a dime. What he did was they liquidated some of What he did was they liquidated some of What he did was they liquidated some of his stuff and I'm going to call out one his stuff and I'm going to call out one his stuff and I'm going to call out one of his friends right now. of his friends right now. of his friends right now. Um they got about 300 grand from things Um they got about 300 grand from things Um they got about 300 grand from things in his house. You know what OJ's friends in his house. You know what OJ's friends in his house. You know what OJ's friends decided to do? They decided to take the decided to do? They decided to take the decided to do? They decided to take the real jerseys and switch them with fake real jerseys and switch them with fake real jerseys and switch them with fake jerseys and rub dirt on them and pretend jerseys and rub dirt on them and pretend jerseys and rub dirt on them and pretend they were the jerseys and grab footballs they were the jerseys and grab footballs they were the jerseys and grab footballs and scuff them up in the driveway and and scuff them up in the driveway and and scuff them up in the driveway and then pretend those were the real ones then pretend those were the real ones then pretend those were the real ones and then that guy stole all the stuff. I and then that guy stole all the stuff. I and then that guy stole all the stuff. I heard that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're heard that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're heard that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they're disturbing. Everybody around OJ is a disturbing. Everybody around OJ is a disturbing. Everybody around OJ is a scumbag. Anyone that ever interacted him scumbag. Anyone that ever interacted him scumbag. Anyone that ever interacted him with him after the murders was a with him after the murders was a with him after the murders was a scumbag. Period. End of story. I can scumbag. Period. End of story. I can scumbag. Period. End of story. I can prove it 20 different ways from Sunday. prove it 20 different ways from Sunday. prove it 20 different ways from Sunday. So it's disturbing. Like he never pays. So it's disturbing. Like he never pays. So it's disturbing. Like he never pays. He goes, "I won't work." He goes, "I won't work." He goes, "I won't work." "I won't work." "I won't work." "I won't work." Okay, now now let's move on. He does Okay, now now let's move on. He does Okay, now now let's move on. He does interviews right away. Ross Becker, interviews right away. Ross Becker, interviews right away. Ross Becker, bang. I they probably paid him a million bang. I they probably paid him a million bang. I they probably paid him a million dollars. I don't know how much they paid dollars. I don't know how much they paid dollars. I don't know how much they paid him. He did BET. He flew out to England. him. He did BET. He flew out to England. him. He did BET. He flew out to England. He did Judy Finnigan. He did that one. He did Judy Finnigan. He did that one. He did Judy Finnigan. He did that one. He does others. He does others. He does others. Ruby Wax. He does Chris Myers with the Ruby Wax. He does Chris Myers with the Ruby Wax. He does Chris Myers with the ESPN. He wants to talk to you. ESPN. He wants to talk to you. ESPN. He wants to talk to you. Mhm. He wants to talk. Nicole used to Mhm. He wants to talk. Nicole used to Mhm. He wants to talk. Nicole used to always joke about it. There he goes always joke about it. There he goes always joke about it. There he goes again, large head talking again. He was again, large head talking again. He was again, large head talking again. He was a talker. a talker. a talker. And if And look, I will never be on a And if And look, I will never be on a And if And look, I will never be on a level of OJ's popularity. I brought up level of OJ's popularity. I brought up level of OJ's popularity. I brought up myself from nothing. I've had some myself from nothing. I've had some myself from nothing. I've had some notoriety. notoriety. notoriety. It's addictive. It is. When I'm not It's addictive. It is. When I'm not It's addictive. It is. When I'm not Sometimes I'm like, "Oh, man, I got to Sometimes I'm like, "Oh, man, I got to Sometimes I'm like, "Oh, man, I got to get back to those levels I was a few get back to those levels I was a few get back to those levels I was a few years ago." years ago." years ago." You want to go back and I knew OJ would You want to go back and I knew OJ would You want to go back and I knew OJ would come forward eventually and he did 12 come forward eventually and he did 12 come forward eventually and he did 12 years later. In 2006, he decided to tell years later. In 2006, he decided to tell years later. In 2006, he decided to tell his story. And he did. his story. And he did. his story. And he did. He just didn't say Charlie's last name. He just didn't say Charlie's last name. He just didn't say Charlie's last name. He told you there's an accomplice. You He told you there's an accomplice. You He told you there's an accomplice. You didn't listen. didn't listen. didn't listen. You didn't want to believe him. You didn't want to believe him. You didn't want to believe him. And then nobody investigated this. And then nobody investigated this. And then nobody investigated this. It was easily investigated, easily. So It was easily investigated, easily. So It was easily investigated, easily. So if I did it, the book that O.J. wrote, I if I did it, the book that O.J. wrote, I if I did it, the book that O.J. wrote, I believe is what it's called, and it was believe is what it's called, and it was believe is what it's called, and it was pulled. Do you believe that that is an pulled. Do you believe that that is an pulled. Do you believe that that is an actual confession not some parody or actual confession not some parody or actual confession not some parody or novel? That is that is a cryptic novel? That is that is a cryptic novel? That is that is a cryptic confession and all he does is say this confession and all he does is say this confession and all he does is say this is purely hypothetical. And when he does is purely hypothetical. And when he does is purely hypothetical. And when he does that, if you really look at his face, that, if you really look at his face, that, if you really look at his face, you could tell he's lying. It's not you could tell he's lying. It's not you could tell he's lying. It's not hypothetical. hypothetical. hypothetical. Now whether the Charlie guy represents Now whether the Charlie guy represents Now whether the Charlie guy represents both of the guys both of the guys both of the guys or the Charlie guy represents it's a or the Charlie guy represents it's a or the Charlie guy represents it's a fake name for the other gentleman, like fake name for the other gentleman, like fake name for the other gentleman, like they're blaming each other and they they're blaming each other and they they're blaming each other and they don't want to say his real name. don't want to say his real name. don't want to say his real name. Charlie's a term like Charlie don't Charlie's a term like Charlie don't Charlie's a term like Charlie don't surf, you know, Charlie company. It's surf, you know, Charlie company. It's surf, you know, Charlie company. It's it's a term, okay? So it's not like that it's a term, okay? So it's not like that it's a term, okay? So it's not like that has to be a person, right? People has to be a person, right? People has to be a person, right? People thought it was O.J.'s alter ego. That's thought it was O.J.'s alter ego. That's thought it was O.J.'s alter ego. That's what they really thought it was. That's what they really thought it was. That's what they really thought it was. That's what Darden says, I think Charlie's O.J. what Darden says, I think Charlie's O.J. what Darden says, I think Charlie's O.J. And look, he's not wrong. It's not a bad And look, he's not wrong. It's not a bad And look, he's not wrong. It's not a bad thought. But my question and challenges thought. But my question and challenges thought. But my question and challenges to all of you is why didn't you look at to all of you is why didn't you look at to all of you is why didn't you look at it? If he said it in '06 and he wrote it it? If he said it in '06 and he wrote it it? If he said it in '06 and he wrote it in a book, why didn't you investigate in a book, why didn't you investigate in a book, why didn't you investigate every single Charlie he knew? every single Charlie he knew? every single Charlie he knew? Why didn't you look at every piece of Why didn't you look at every piece of Why didn't you look at every piece of evidence again? Why not? That's why O.J. evidence again? Why not? That's why O.J. evidence again? Why not? That's why O.J. says too, this was the greatest murder says too, this was the greatest murder says too, this was the greatest murder case in history. Why didn't they really case in history. Why didn't they really case in history. Why didn't they really look at it? I find it curious. look at it? I find it curious. look at it? I find it curious. There'll never be another O.J. again. He There'll never be another O.J. again. He There'll never be another O.J. again. He was a genius and I hate to say it like was a genius and I hate to say it like was a genius and I hate to say it like that. What he did on this afterwards is that. What he did on this afterwards is that. What he did on this afterwards is complete brilliance. complete brilliance. complete brilliance. Okay? Not in a good way, but a lot of Okay? Not in a good way, but a lot of Okay? Not in a good way, but a lot of brilliant people are sometimes evil. brilliant people are sometimes evil. brilliant people are sometimes evil. And again everybody just for my And again everybody just for my And again everybody just for my audience, you know, this is Chris's audience, you know, this is Chris's audience, you know, this is Chris's evidence. I I I don't I haven't been evidence. I I I don't I haven't been evidence. I I I don't I haven't been able to validate whether the there was able to validate whether the there was able to validate whether the there was multiple blood at the scene and the multiple blood at the scene and the multiple blood at the scene and the footprints and all of that. But, I've footprints and all of that. But, I've footprints and all of that. But, I've seen enough of this and just in all seen enough of this and just in all seen enough of this and just in all candor, my honest just wondered why I candor, my honest just wondered why I candor, my honest just wondered why I did it. I've had did it. I've had did it. I've had protect them, too, but there's a protect them, too, but there's a protect them, too, but there's a significant person in O.J.'s legal team significant person in O.J.'s legal team significant person in O.J.'s legal team that I had some that I had some that I had some very late-night extended very late-night extended very late-night extended wine with. Oh, okay. Um wine with. Oh, okay. Um wine with. Oh, okay. Um Cool. Uh Cool. Uh Cool. Uh many of the things many of the things many of the things that Chris is saying, I had heard that Chris is saying, I had heard that Chris is saying, I had heard elsewhere. That's just what I'll leave elsewhere. That's just what I'll leave elsewhere. That's just what I'll leave that. And so, that doesn't mean it's that. And so, that doesn't mean it's that. And so, that doesn't mean it's accurate. I'm not pulling the two things accurate. I'm not pulling the two things accurate. I'm not pulling the two things together. I'm just telling you that I together. I'm just telling you that I together. I'm just telling you that I wouldn't have had Chris on if it was the wouldn't have had Chris on if it was the wouldn't have had Chris on if it was the first time I had heard any of these first time I had heard any of these first time I had heard any of these things. Now, some of the things Chris things. Now, some of the things Chris things. Now, some of the things Chris says is the first time I've heard them. says is the first time I've heard them. says is the first time I've heard them. But, some of them aren't. And I'll just But, some of them aren't. And I'll just But, some of them aren't. And I'll just kind of leave it at that. Let me ask you kind of leave it at that. Let me ask you kind of leave it at that. Let me ask you a question. I've always been fascinated a question. I've always been fascinated a question. I've always been fascinated with with um with with um with with um what it would be like what it would be like what it would be like to be to be to be O.J. Simpson now the rest of my life O.J. Simpson now the rest of my life O.J. Simpson now the rest of my life after I know I've likely killed these after I know I've likely killed these after I know I've likely killed these two human beings. two human beings. two human beings. And I'm wondering if you have any And I'm wondering if you have any And I'm wondering if you have any insider information. How did he live out insider information. How did he live out insider information. How did he live out the rest of his life? I mean, we know he the rest of his life? I mean, we know he the rest of his life? I mean, we know he went to jail and all that again, but did went to jail and all that again, but did went to jail and all that again, but did he carry guilt? Did he ever share with he carry guilt? Did he ever share with he carry guilt? Did he ever share with people privately how he felt? Like, people privately how he felt? Like, people privately how he felt? Like, what's the profile on this guy as he's what's the profile on this guy as he's what's the profile on this guy as he's aging and facing aging and facing aging and facing mortality? Do you have any insight into mortality? Do you have any insight into mortality? Do you have any insight into anything about him at that point in his anything about him at that point in his anything about him at that point in his Absolutely. I know people that knew him Absolutely. I know people that knew him Absolutely. I know people that knew him personally over the years. I knew a personally over the years. I knew a personally over the years. I knew a couple different PIs that knew him. couple different PIs that knew him. couple different PIs that knew him. Um family members I've spoken a lot of Um family members I've spoken a lot of Um family members I've spoken a lot of people from this case. You know, if you people from this case. You know, if you people from this case. You know, if you look at O.J. right after the acquittal, look at O.J. right after the acquittal, look at O.J. right after the acquittal, he used to talk to people outside his he used to talk to people outside his he used to talk to people outside his house at Rockingham eating a a donut. house at Rockingham eating a a donut. house at Rockingham eating a a donut. He didn't care. He didn't care. He didn't care. This is a narcissist. He's He's He's This is a narcissist. He's He's He's This is a narcissist. He's He's He's happy. happy. happy. He's not paying child support anymore. He's not paying child support anymore. He's not paying child support anymore. He's not paying alimony. He says he He's not paying alimony. He says he He's not paying alimony. He says he never had alimony, whatever. He doesn't never had alimony, whatever. He doesn't never had alimony, whatever. He doesn't have that headache. Yeah. Is he going to have that headache. Yeah. Is he going to have that headache. Yeah. Is he going to bed at night sad that the mother of his bed at night sad that the mother of his bed at night sad that the mother of his children is gone? Probably. I'm sure children is gone? Probably. I'm sure children is gone? Probably. I'm sure he's human, right? But he kept living he's human, right? But he kept living he's human, right? But he kept living normal. normal. normal. Now, supposedly, he had a reality show. Now, supposedly, he had a reality show. Now, supposedly, he had a reality show. He did a graphic video with a woman that He did a graphic video with a woman that He did a graphic video with a woman that he ripped the cameras out of the room. he ripped the cameras out of the room. he ripped the cameras out of the room. This is a funny story that they offered This is a funny story that they offered This is a funny story that they offered him a million dollars to do a adult him a million dollars to do a adult him a million dollars to do a adult movie. He showed up, classic O.J., and movie. He showed up, classic O.J., and movie. He showed up, classic O.J., and said, "Yeah, I'm going to do it." And he said, "Yeah, I'm going to do it." And he said, "Yeah, I'm going to do it." And he ripped the cameras out of the room. ripped the cameras out of the room. ripped the cameras out of the room. They had the audio only. They had the audio only. They had the audio only. And so And so And so he, I think, O.J. became a criminal he, I think, O.J. became a criminal he, I think, O.J. became a criminal after this, right? He started to hang after this, right? He started to hang after this, right? He started to hang out with all these hustler types. The out with all these hustler types. The out with all these hustler types. The Vegas robbery happens, he's with a bunch Vegas robbery happens, he's with a bunch Vegas robbery happens, he's with a bunch of creepy guys. They're bringing guns to of creepy guys. They're bringing guns to of creepy guys. They're bringing guns to rob rob rob what? Footballs and jerseys and a what? Footballs and jerseys and a what? Footballs and jerseys and a picture of Nicole. Why do you need a picture of Nicole. Why do you need a picture of Nicole. Why do you need a gun? You don't. They They robbed Alfred gun? You don't. They They robbed Alfred gun? You don't. They They robbed Alfred Beardsley and Bruce Fromong, who you Beardsley and Bruce Fromong, who you Beardsley and Bruce Fromong, who you could push over with your two fingers, could push over with your two fingers, could push over with your two fingers, okay? Like, there's there's no need. I okay? Like, there's there's no need. I okay? Like, there's there's no need. I think he was lost. think he was lost. think he was lost. I think he was cursed by what he did, I think he was cursed by what he did, I think he was cursed by what he did, right? And I've seen mediums talk about right? And I've seen mediums talk about right? And I've seen mediums talk about Nicole punishing him and sending the the Nicole punishing him and sending the the Nicole punishing him and sending the the the Christie Prody, who was the Nicole the Christie Prody, who was the Nicole the Christie Prody, who was the Nicole look-alike. She looked exactly like look-alike. She looked exactly like look-alike. She looked exactly like Nicole. Look at O.J.'s girlfriend. It's Nicole. Look at O.J.'s girlfriend. It's Nicole. Look at O.J.'s girlfriend. It's creepy. I mean, very similar. And she creepy. I mean, very similar. And she creepy. I mean, very similar. And she was They both were into drugs, and she's was They both were into drugs, and she's was They both were into drugs, and she's off the rails, and off the rails, and off the rails, and he, you know, he also had hid money. He he, you know, he also had hid money. He he, you know, he also had hid money. He was given deals. He had an internet show was given deals. He had an internet show was given deals. He had an internet show he was going to do. He was one of the he was going to do. He was one of the he was going to do. He was one of the first people to do an internet show. If first people to do an internet show. If first people to do an internet show. If you look it up on MN1. So, he was living you look it up on MN1. So, he was living you look it up on MN1. So, he was living his life hiding money, not giving it to his life hiding money, not giving it to his life hiding money, not giving it to the Goldmans and the Browns. People the Goldmans and the Browns. People the Goldmans and the Browns. People would put his house in a different name. would put his house in a different name. would put his house in a different name. Nothing was in his name. Somebody gave Nothing was in his name. Somebody gave Nothing was in his name. Somebody gave him a Bentley. Like, there's all this him a Bentley. Like, there's all this him a Bentley. Like, there's all this different stuff. So, different stuff. So, different stuff. So, he, I think, did the best he could to he, I think, did the best he could to he, I think, did the best he could to make as much money as he could. He had a make as much money as he could. He had a make as much money as he could. He had a pension, 20 grand a year, a month. So, pension, 20 grand a year, a month. So, pension, 20 grand a year, a month. So, but I think he was always haunted. And but I think he was always haunted. And but I think he was always haunted. And he told people over the years, "I should he told people over the years, "I should he told people over the years, "I should have just got on my plane. He tells Jeff have just got on my plane. He tells Jeff have just got on my plane. He tells Jeff Felix in jail two drug dealers came to Felix in jail two drug dealers came to Felix in jail two drug dealers came to my house the night of the murders, too. my house the night of the murders, too. my house the night of the murders, too. Jeff writes it in the book. I met Jeff Jeff writes it in the book. I met Jeff Jeff writes it in the book. I met Jeff and he also tells it in the Ed Opferman and he also tells it in the Ed Opferman and he also tells it in the Ed Opferman interview. Go listen to it, people. interview. Go listen to it, people. interview. Go listen to it, people. So, OJ was telling us no one can keep So, OJ was telling us no one can keep So, OJ was telling us no one can keep that secret. Come on. that secret. Come on. that secret. Come on. No one can. And And even people close to No one can. And And even people close to No one can. And And even people close to OJ, they couldn't keep the secret, OJ, they couldn't keep the secret, OJ, they couldn't keep the secret, either. either. either. They've called me at midnight They've called me at midnight They've called me at midnight threatening me, saying a bunch of stuff. threatening me, saying a bunch of stuff. threatening me, saying a bunch of stuff. And then I'd catch them lying about the And then I'd catch them lying about the And then I'd catch them lying about the evidence and they'd hang up. And you evidence and they'd hang up. And you evidence and they'd hang up. And you know, I I basically look, I beat these know, I I basically look, I beat these know, I I basically look, I beat these people. I beat the dream team. And I'm people. I beat the dream team. And I'm people. I beat the dream team. And I'm not saying it in a arrogant way. It's not saying it in a arrogant way. It's not saying it in a arrogant way. It's just the truth. I beat all these people. just the truth. I beat all these people. just the truth. I beat all these people. I beat them. I met Barry Scheck. I met I beat them. I met Barry Scheck. I met I beat them. I met Barry Scheck. I met Bob Shapiro. Shapiro said a nice thing Bob Shapiro. Shapiro said a nice thing Bob Shapiro. Shapiro said a nice thing about me once. Chris Darden sent me about me once. Chris Darden sent me about me once. Chris Darden sent me nasty texts. nasty texts. nasty texts. I beat all of you. It doesn't matter. I beat all of you. It doesn't matter. I beat all of you. It doesn't matter. Now, did I get lucky? Was I in the right Now, did I get lucky? Was I in the right Now, did I get lucky? Was I in the right place at the right time? Sure, a little place at the right time? Sure, a little place at the right time? Sure, a little bit. bit. bit. Well, so was Gary Webb. Well, so was Gary Webb. Well, so was Gary Webb. So was Woodward and Bernstein. Okay? So, So was Woodward and Bernstein. Okay? So, So was Woodward and Bernstein. Okay? So, that's just my piece and I'm you know, that's just my piece and I'm you know, that's just my piece and I'm you know, I'm glad you let me kind of say it this I'm glad you let me kind of say it this I'm glad you let me kind of say it this way. Well, I'm glad I I again, I just way. Well, I'm glad I I again, I just way. Well, I'm glad I I again, I just wanted the audience you make up your own wanted the audience you make up your own wanted the audience you make up your own mind. I just asked the questions today mind. I just asked the questions today mind. I just asked the questions today at the ones that I would hope that many at the ones that I would hope that many at the ones that I would hope that many of you would ask. The other thing I want of you would ask. The other thing I want of you would ask. The other thing I want to say, too, about Chris is this is not to say, too, about Chris is this is not to say, too, about Chris is this is not like, you know, his first rodeo. And so, like, you know, his first rodeo. And so, like, you know, his first rodeo. And so, there's he's done work on the Kurt there's he's done work on the Kurt there's he's done work on the Kurt Cobain situation that you guys can go Cobain situation that you guys can go Cobain situation that you guys can go get. You want to tell them about that? get. You want to tell them about that? get. You want to tell them about that? And And also, And And also, And And also, Biggie Smalls as well. That's a Biggie Smalls as well. That's a Biggie Smalls as well. That's a fascinating case. Like, you're you pick fascinating case. Like, you're you pick fascinating case. Like, you're you pick the Biggies after this OJ thing. So, the Biggies after this OJ thing. So, the Biggies after this OJ thing. So, tell them a little bit about the work tell them a little bit about the work tell them a little bit about the work you're doing. you're doing. you're doing. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I'm doing >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I'm doing >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I'm doing JonBenét Ramsey right now and they JonBenét Ramsey right now and they JonBenét Ramsey right now and they people can watch my interview on Cinema people can watch my interview on Cinema people can watch my interview on Cinema Els TV. Els TV. Els TV. I have a lot of my interviews over I have a lot of my interviews over I have a lot of my interviews over there. The Biggie I did a Biggie deep there. The Biggie I did a Biggie deep there. The Biggie I did a Biggie deep dive interview. I do believe that is a dive interview. I do believe that is a dive interview. I do believe that is a fake news story about the killer. I do fake news story about the killer. I do fake news story about the killer. I do believe those killers are still alive on believe those killers are still alive on believe those killers are still alive on Biggie Smalls and I do believe I can Biggie Smalls and I do believe I can Biggie Smalls and I do believe I can prove it. Um that's been censored again. prove it. Um that's been censored again. prove it. Um that's been censored again. Most of my stuff gets kind of censored. Most of my stuff gets kind of censored. Most of my stuff gets kind of censored. It's not a pity party. I'm just telling It's not a pity party. I'm just telling It's not a pity party. I'm just telling you facts, period. you facts, period. you facts, period. Um Um Um I I helped the guy who witnessed Kurt I I helped the guy who witnessed Kurt I I helped the guy who witnessed Kurt Cobain get murdered. His name is Joseph Cobain get murdered. His name is Joseph Cobain get murdered. His name is Joseph Burns. He had the courage to come Burns. He had the courage to come Burns. He had the courage to come forward and to tell his story of what he forward and to tell his story of what he forward and to tell his story of what he saw that night and that's called to saw that night and that's called to saw that night and that's called to Kurt, I'm sorry. And I encourage people Kurt, I'm sorry. And I encourage people Kurt, I'm sorry. And I encourage people to reward him for his his courage to reward him for his his courage to reward him for his his courage um and his bravery. um and his bravery. um and his bravery. And uh Kurt Cobain did not commit And uh Kurt Cobain did not commit And uh Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide. suicide. suicide. Um that story also the media has Um that story also the media has Um that story also the media has repeatedly blocked me for the last 2 and repeatedly blocked me for the last 2 and repeatedly blocked me for the last 2 and 1/2 years and that's okay. Like I said, 1/2 years and that's okay. Like I said, 1/2 years and that's okay. Like I said, I'm not I'm going to get them out. I I'm not I'm going to get them out. I I'm not I'm going to get them out. I will beat them. They're not going to will beat them. They're not going to will beat them. They're not going to stop me. Okay? And uh the book is stop me. Okay? And uh the book is stop me. Okay? And uh the book is selling okay, but there's no real press selling okay, but there's no real press selling okay, but there's no real press about it yet. So about it yet. So about it yet. So um I encourage your readers to check out um I encourage your readers to check out um I encourage your readers to check out it if you like that. Now remember, Kurt it if you like that. Now remember, Kurt it if you like that. Now remember, Kurt Cobain his death was Cobain his death was Cobain his death was 2 months before OJ's case. So these are 2 months before OJ's case. So these are 2 months before OJ's case. So these are both in 1994. both in 1994. both in 1994. And Kurt's was brushed under the rug And Kurt's was brushed under the rug And Kurt's was brushed under the rug because OJ happened in June. Kurt's was because OJ happened in June. Kurt's was because OJ happened in June. Kurt's was in uh April. in uh April. in uh April. So it's it's fascinating and Biggie's So it's it's fascinating and Biggie's So it's it's fascinating and Biggie's was in '97. was in '97. was in '97. So it's kind of yeah. You're making me So it's kind of yeah. You're making me So it's kind of yeah. You're making me feel old by the way, but uh feel old by the way, but uh feel old by the way, but uh I got to tell you and the audience I got to tell you and the audience I got to tell you and the audience everybody I you make up your own minds. everybody I you make up your own minds. everybody I you make up your own minds. I just wanted to have the interesting I just wanted to have the interesting I just wanted to have the interesting story on them today. I think you'd agree story on them today. I think you'd agree story on them today. I think you'd agree with me that there's enough in here that with me that there's enough in here that with me that there's enough in here that was worthy of at least a conversation. was worthy of at least a conversation. was worthy of at least a conversation. And it certainly is uh it fills in some And it certainly is uh it fills in some And it certainly is uh it fills in some gaps if you um believe what Chris is gaps if you um believe what Chris is gaps if you um believe what Chris is saying. And if you don't, I asked you saying. And if you don't, I asked you saying. And if you don't, I asked you the questions and you've come to your the questions and you've come to your the questions and you've come to your conclusion, but either way Chris, conclusion, but either way Chris, conclusion, but either way Chris, um I know you've taken a lot of arrows um I know you've taken a lot of arrows um I know you've taken a lot of arrows over the work you do and very grateful over the work you do and very grateful over the work you do and very grateful that you take the time to share your that you take the time to share your that you take the time to share your work with us, your beliefs and um I'd at work with us, your beliefs and um I'd at work with us, your beliefs and um I'd at least want to leave it open where you least want to leave it open where you least want to leave it open where you can send people where to find you cuz can send people where to find you cuz can send people where to find you cuz this is everything about Chris is sort this is everything about Chris is sort this is everything about Chris is sort of like hidden cuz he's a PI, but where of like hidden cuz he's a PI, but where of like hidden cuz he's a PI, but where where can they go and find anything you where can they go and find anything you where can they go and find anything you wanted to find about you or your work? wanted to find about you or your work? wanted to find about you or your work? Yeah, sure. Yeah, and I I really Yeah, sure. Yeah, and I I really Yeah, sure. Yeah, and I I really appreciate it. God bless you and appreciate it. God bless you and appreciate it. God bless you and everything you do and everything you do and everything you do and um, I most of my books are on a website um, I most of my books are on a website um, I most of my books are on a website called silvercoastpros.com, called silvercoastpros.com, called silvercoastpros.com, pros like professionals, pros like professionals, pros like professionals, silvercoastpros.com. silvercoastpros.com. silvercoastpros.com. And then I I invite people to write me. And then I I invite people to write me. And then I I invite people to write me. My my one of my emails is My my one of my emails is My my one of my emails is hopscotchfree101@gmail. Just hopscotchfree all one word and then Just hopscotchfree all one word and then the numbers 101@gmail. the numbers 101@gmail. the numbers 101@gmail. And there's other ways. My phone And there's other ways. My phone And there's other ways. My phone number's online. My door is always open. number's online. My door is always open. number's online. My door is always open. Anyone can contact me. I always respond Anyone can contact me. I always respond Anyone can contact me. I always respond to people and um, I'm grateful for the to people and um, I'm grateful for the to people and um, I'm grateful for the people that have helped me. I usually people that have helped me. I usually people that have helped me. I usually have one or two civilian types on every have one or two civilian types on every have one or two civilian types on every case I have and I want to give a case I have and I want to give a case I have and I want to give a shout-out to those people a little bit shout-out to those people a little bit shout-out to those people a little bit for helping me over the years. So, um, for helping me over the years. 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