Trump Launches Tariffs On EU Over Greenland DOJ Sues To Block Epstein Files & ChatGPT's Rocky Future

Key Takeaway

We're witnessing historical cycles of bundling and unbundling—globalization followed by decoupling. The U.S. helped create NATO to counter Russian aggression, yet now threatens to become the very problem NATO was designed to prevent. When pursuing strategic goals like Greenland, we cannot become the monster we claim to fight against. The key lesson: understand you're an NPC in the Matrix running historical scripts, then consciously choose to break the pattern before tensions escalate into irreversible violence.

Episode Overview

This episode examines Trump's aggressive letter to Norway's Prime Minister about Greenland, drawing connections to historical cycles of globalization and decoupling. The host analyzes how populist movements, economic warfare between the U.S. and EU, and escalating tensions in Minnesota represent predictable historical patterns. The discussion covers NATO's origins, the threat of losing reserve currency status, intolerable inequality, and the dangerous cycle of political retribution between parties. The core argument: we're NPCs running historical scripts that typically lead to war 75% of the time, and the only hope is consciously deprogramming ourselves from these patterns.

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Good morning everybody. Welcome to the Tom Billy Show live. No applause. It's Martin Luther King Day. What is happening everybody? Well, happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day everybody. I'm excited that you guys are joining us. I'm very h Oh, it's so delayed. I'm very happy to have the crew here with me. Uh thank you gentlemen for rocking up this early on a holiday morning. You guys are legends. All right. I appreciate you guys being with us. There is a lot to cover today. Trump tells Norway's prime minister that he's no longer obligated to think only of peace since he didn't win the Nobel Prize.

Don't worry about the fact that they're not related. It's not a government prize, everybody. But nonetheless, that's exactly what he told the prime minister of Norway. So, we'll see how that goes. Russia tells Trump that he will go down in history if he seizes Greenland. seizes Greenland. seizes Greenland. We're going to talk about that one. 1500 military troops are rumored to be on standby for Trump to declare the insurrection act today or tomorrow in Minnesota. We'll see if that actually comes to bear. The economic warfare between the US and EU ratchets up as tensions in Greenland remain astronomically high.

My favorite blood sport and yours continues as Democrats call for mass prosecutions of Republicans when they regain power. and the current DOJ continues to build their case against Democrats. And I'm of course kidding. I hate the fact that they're doing it. But nonetheless, that's what's playing out. The award for most lunatic behavior goes to the fact that it took a literal act of Congress to stop paying dead people social benefits. benefits. benefits. It's hard enough to make use of the benefits while you're alive. uh to keep collecting them after death is how you bankrupt a nation.

But we're still playing the game. And a senior analyst, speaking of economic problems, a senior analyst warns the Bank of England that the White House get ready may confirm the existence of aliens and it could crash the market. Drew, Aliens Among Us. Is it on your 2026 bingo card? bingo card? bingo card? I just watched Bugonia, that Emma Stone movie about aliens. Um, so yeah, it's yeah, it's yeah, it's Is it about aliens or is it about a lunatic that becomes convinced that she's she's she's No spoilers.

You have to watch it. No spoilers. You have to watch it. Uh, all right. Let's talk about Greenland cuz that's what we're here for. Uh, let's jump right into it cuz apparently when you don't get prizes, you get to do whatever you want. So, let's hear from Trump himself. What happened? happened? happened? Why does he always have to bring this stuff up? All right. Reports emerged today about a letter sent by Trump to Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gar Store. The letter was confirmed by Store himself and shared with other nations by the US administration.

It was written in response to a joint message from store and Finnish President Alexander Stub who opposed Trump's imposition of tariffs on European allies for clapping back on Trump's attempt to seize Greenland. The full text of Trump's letter, as reported across multiple outlets, goes like this. Dear Jonas, considering your country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped eight wars, plus I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China. And why do they have a right of ownership anyway? There's no written documents. It's only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now NATO should do something for the United States. The world is not secure unless we have complete and total control of Greenland. End quote. Prime Minister Store of Norway described the letter as unusual, but called for deescalation and a desire to talk directly to Trump to discuss the tensions.

He reiterated that the Nobel Committee operates independently of the Norwegian government and therefore they should not be catching the flak for the oversight. Russia has commented that Trump would quote go down in history if the US acquires Greenland. But I imagine them saying that while laughing to themselves because I think they are literally trying to egg Trump on to do something that ultimately would be the most ironic thing in the world when you've got the leader of NATO saying that they are going to seize by force if necessary a NATO country sort of by proxy of the fact that Denmark has uh control over Greenland.

Greenland. Greenland. you're the one that actively needs to be protected against. It's so wild to say, "We're going to come in and seize this because Russia or China might that you become the immediate threat." Many critics are noting that the letter shows evidence of Trump being driven by his personal grievances instead of intelligent policy. Supporters of the move, however, frame it as strategic real politique. Uh which for anybody keeping score, real politique is basically the world is operated by force and power alone. And if you can take something, then you can take it.

And if you get beat back by the military, then that's just how the game plays. All right, I'm gonna admit that that's probably true. This letter is the most Trump thing ever. But this kind of what I'm now going to shortorthhand as GTP diplomacy has consequences. Got it. Got it. Got it. You with me? Okay. Uh, longtime listeners of the show are going to know exactly what I mean by GTP. So, here we are, boys and girls. too early in the show for me to say it out loud.

We can talk about GTP later. And the story keeps going, if you could throw this up, Eric, that uh Russia eggs Trump on and saying, "Hey, if you take Greenland, it'll be historic." Yeah. So, Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Pescov said, "Enter international experts believe that by resolving Greenland's incorporation, Trump will certainly go down in history, not only in US history, but world history." Um, this is Mario Noall's comments after that. Notice what Russia is doing. Not saying it's good or bad, not commenting on legality, just stating a fact that Trump will be remembered forever if he say he's NATO territory.

That's encouragement with plausible deniability. When asked about Trump's claims, Russia threatens When asked about Trump's claim that Russia threatens Greenland, Pescov dodged too much disturbing information lately. Won't comment on alleged Russian designs, saying, "We're not threatening Greenland, but we're happy to watch Trump destroy NATO trying to protect it from us." And I think that's the part I want to zero in on because right now EU is launching sanctions. We'll get into all that, but I understand Trump wants it. I don't know if this is the necessary method in which that will do it.

Um I know he's he's a bully, but it seems like that letter is not being wellreceived. What's your take when you first heard the news? Uh when I first heard the news, I thought the exact same thing, which I can't believe uh as the Russian diplomat here speaking that so NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. The whole design was for America, Europe, not sure who all the countries are. or maybe Canada isn't there. But anyway, a bunch of countries going, "Hey, Russia's a real threat on the world stage.

We need an organization that's going to keep them in check. Let's all get together. This is all about Russian aggression. We've got to keep it unlocked." Now, for people that don't know how this all played out, World War II, um Hitler gets it in his head that Ukraine is basically going to be the American dream for Germans. It's going to be a place for them to expand, for Germans to go in and claim territory, build a farm, whatever. like the literal have a house, have economic prosperity.

And he looked at the westward expansion of the US as being this incredible boon that gives America its character. He wants to do the same thing for um Germany. So he at first actually allies with Russia, very uneasy alliance. Obviously ends up breaking the alliance. They invade Russia. Russia gets very angry. Russia, a ton of Russian um people are killed, tens of millions. And so we end up winning World War II in large part because of the sacrifices that Russians made. That does not mean, however, that we were friends with Russia at the time, we simply had the same common enemy.

So, uh, post World War II, a part that if you didn't live through it, will seem very weird for people, but we went through this whole Cold War where the world was literally divided and they called it the Iron Curtain. And so Russia was like this part of the world is ours. And so Germany itself was divided. Literally the city of Berlin was just cut in half and part of it belonged to um socialism, communism and it sucked. I won't derail. Uh and then you had West Germany which was part of the West and was u one of the most historic rebounds ever.

Incredible. Incredible. Incredible. But that pits us against Russia. And so there's all this um tension between the West and Russia that just escalates, escalates, escalates. And everybody in Europe now puts their full attention on Russia becoming the biggest threat in the world. And so you get this nuclear proliferation between the US and Russia. They're going back and forth. They both hate each other. Tensions are super high. You've got the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban missile crisis. Like there's just literal like are we about to end the world kind of tensions between Russia and the US.

So that it's in that context that NATO is formed. And so now for the US to come in and dismantle this at a relationship level and say the very thing you're afraid Russia is going to do, not Greenland, but just territorial acquisition through force. The very thing that you're afraid that they're going to do, we're going to do. And so it's like the call is coming from inside the house. It's so wild. So what what you are witnessing like I beg people to get over the trump of it all because it stops people at the level one like view of what's happening.

You have got to see this as we are all NPCs. We are being programmed by the matrix and we go through these historical cycles which I have talked about endlessly. We are in one of them. We are decoupling. The world went through a globalization phase. People talk about this with cable all the time. You're going to bundle and unbundle. Bundle and unbundle and you bundle things because people are like, I don't want Disney Plus, Hulu, Netflix. I just I want it all together, bro. Come on.

This is crazy. But then you get like this monopolistic behavior and that starts to suck. And so then you decouple and people start creating all these side projects and everything breaks apart again because you're like, "Yeah, I want like better service and more stuff." This is exactly how Netflix rose. So, we're in the middle of we just went through a bundled phase where the whole world came together post World War II largely in the like call it post50s to just keep Russia at bay. Mhm. Mhm.

Mhm. But now we're decoupling because we realize that it creates a um an exploitation event where globalist bankers can siphon money from the working and middle class and distribute it to the elites. Okay, that's what we've all been living through. This is why people are mad. So now it's like as a part of that you get a populist rise. This is what Trump is. And so think of it as that like swirling movement of the decoupling. decoupling. decoupling. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Now when you look at it through that, it is so dangerous for [snorts] the US to become the problem for us.

Like I get it. You're the US. You're we're decoupling. You're Everybody's being reminded this is a power game now. You've really got to worry about China and Russia legitimately. For sure. For sure. For sure. They are teamed up. They've put out public statements that were tighter than ever. They run joint military operations. Like everyone should be afraid of that. For sure. You cannot become the monster that you were trying to fight. And you've got to figure out how to be diplomatic. Now, for right now, I am committed to trying to deprogram to deprogram to deprogram the NPCs, of which I consider myself one.

one. one. I'm trying to deprogram us all and to remind us, hey, once you realize you're in the Matrix, you no longer have to be beholden to its rules. You can actually pull back. And when I watch like the stuff in Minnesota, which we're going to get to later, I'm like, they're literal NPCs. They are running a script. They cannot help themselves. Like when you see that journalist get pulled and just drugged and swept away by the it's the most freakish thing I've ever seen. And when you understand history, you know that this escalates and they just start killing people like that.

So, uh, it's happened over and over and over and over and over. So, the only hope is that something somehow somewhere can break this spell. 25% of the time that we're in a moment like this, we don't end up in war. And so the question becomes, is there a sequence of magical words that I and many many many others can utter into a camera that will get people to calm the [ __ ] down, or is this just like, nope, you have to let it play out. David Friedberg from the All-In podcast, and I did not pull this clip, shame on me, um gave a talk about what's happening in California, and he was like, you just have to let it play out.

He's like, we will become a dictatorship. Um either [clears throat] a left-leaning or right-leaning dictatorship. it's the only way out of the debt. And he was like, "So, I'm just going to leave." I was like, "Damn." So, I hope that isn't true. Uh, until the last helicopter out of Saigon, I'm going to try to deprogram NPCs. But that's where we're at. Uh, you said something about the dead I kind of want to jump into because in response to this, EU is now declaring economic war. If you could throw this up, Eric.

Um, they're now declaring an economic war against America or at least preparing to. I want to hone in on the debt owned though. Between all of these European NATO countries, it's roughly about $2.4 trillion dollars in US debt held. That's already in conjunction with China reports of rapidly dumping US debts. Um the world reserve currency is now gold, no longer the US dollar. It seems that we are while I understand we need to expand, we need to get more resources, we need to do what we need to do in this populist moment, there are certain second order consequences.

I'm not sure maybe Trump is registering or thinks is not that important. What are the ramifications if these countries rapidly start to dump the debt and we are stuck with that that we can no longer export our inflation but it's now just internal. just internal. just internal. So right now America can tax the world by taxing the world through inflation which is the right way to think about it. We're able to deficit spend. And so we live way beyond our means in America. And that is wonderful for Americans.

It is not great for the rest of the world for obvious reasons. And it is now coming back because it was a good short-term solution. It's a bad long-term solution. So it's now biting us in the ass. So what does that look like? It looks like immediate austerity because you can't print enough money uh because the American populace bears the full brunt of that tax. um you don't have appetite for US debt and so the debt market collapses. Debt is a very powerful thing in its utility.

It allows you to pull forward the future into the present so you can do way bigger things. Um when you like one of the most difficult things of a business is what they call cash flow. And so how do you cash flow the things that you want to grow? And the vast vast vast vast majority of businesses cash flow through debt. So it's this incredibly powerful tool when you know how to do it well. Um when you do it poorly, as America has been doing now for decades, you create a horrific problem of I I'll I can detail it and if people have specific questions, I'm happy to go into it.

But I will say when you do that, you get the America that you see right now. Tribal left and right. Um, riots in Minnesota, fraud almost certainly everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. um and you begin to accelerate the natural tendencies for a K-shaped economy economy economy and it gets to the point where it becomes intolerable and people the inequality people should think of intolerable inequality as a category of inequality. There's always going to be inequality. Um inequality is useful. Inequality um has a uh like a propellant factor.

It it gives people incentive to work really hard, really freakish, to apply their energies into getting wealthy because they want the humans have a desire to win. And so it's awesome, but it then runs up against intolerable inequality and the society tears itself apart. And so the game is always to avoid intolerable inequality. And we can usually do it for about 150 to 250 years and then the system has to reset and so we're at the depending on where you start the clock we're somewhere between 150 and 250 years.

So either way we're at the extremities and when that breaks you have a masscale depression in your country. I mean look at what happened to Argentina a 100 years ago. Um look at how China fell. Look at um England is one of the ones where World War II wiped their debt. So it becomes a very different story. But if you look at all the European empires that had it, they they just become these backwater nations that cease to be that important. Uh so if you think of it as as a nation, we can't afford the things.

So now what happens if you really do end up in a kinetic war with China, but you have no way to pay for it? What do you do? you lose. So, um, your only hope is that China is also sufficiently weakened, which thankfully they are weakened. How weakened, we don't yet know. How much more ability do they have to print because they have u been they haven't been doing it for as long. They have a bigger population. So, all of those things are unknowns. But it it is if people think we're struggling economically now, it gets 10 times worse if you're no longer the reserve currency.

And currency. And currency. And it will create a power vacuum on the global scale that will be filled by somebody. And China's the most obvious by a longshot uh country to fill that void. So if you like Chinese style leadership, then maybe you're stoked. Um, if you don't, which I don't, then it is a very unsettling proposition that we would weaken ourselves enough that that becomes questionable. becomes questionable. becomes questionable. Uh, two questions, quick hits for me. Um, should Trump pursue continue to pursue Greenland with all this push back?

back? back? He should pursue Greenland from a national security standpoint. He should not pursue it with GTP strategies. Okay. Uh, all right. Let's jump over to Minnesota because Trump and the Department of War has put 1,500 active duty soldiers on standby pending potential deployment to the Minneapolis area. Again, Trump has been waiting on that insurrection act button, but has not quite pressed it yet. Um, do you think it's going to happen? I I've been waiting for this to calm down, but it seems like it just keeps happening and keeps going.

keeps going. keeps going. Yeah, I mean, listen, right now you've got um there's a guy standing in his neighborhood. Now, it's a guy, but you've got a guy standing in his neighborhood running essentially neighborhood watch against ICE with an assault rifle. Uh, I assume that this is legal. So, I want to be very clear, but um nonetheless, when you've got a bunch of people that feel that they So, uh God, if people haven't heard this term, term, term, whenever you get a surplus male population, which we aggressively have right now because men are not getting laid, which is a much easier way to say it.

When men are not getting laid, they do this and they look for ways to climb the status hierarchy through risktaking, violence, and so you've got this guy who, trust me when I say he's he is a human, so he's far more he's better read as somebody who's trying to earn clout among the people that he respects than he is actually just trying to keep people safe. The fascinating thing about testosterone is it makes you do whatever gives you increased status. So if petting puppies gives you increased status, then testosterone makes you want to pet puppies.

People need to understand that. So in a moment where pushing back against ICE is the thing that's going to get you um what oh god I probably don't want to quote it, but Andrew Bamonte talks about hippie uh sex. I'll say it the nicest way possible. If that's what gets you blue-haired bush, then that's what you're gonna do. So, uh, our man is out there doing that thing because we have a massive male surplus population in a moment where, uh, that group of people, the way to get additional status is to go out with your guns.

Okay, cool. So, now you've got a tinder box because you're in a populist moment. So, your president was elected specifically to slap the other side around. So, think about Stephen Miller is representative of an archetype. Don't think of it as a one-off Steven Miller. I don't know if he's 10% of the population, 20% of the He's a percent. Like, there's a real percentage of people that feel like he feels, which winning isn't enough. Grinding your opponent's face into the dirt, that's what you have to do.

And there is a category of person who delights in the destruction of others. And what we are seeing is that I've talked about this before, but um Molly's game, the book about the real story of the woman who ran like these underground um gambling games, poker games, and supposedly the character is based on Toby Maguire. No idea if that's actually true, but that's the rumor. And in the movie anyway, his exact quote is, "I don't like gambling. I don't even care about poker. What I like doing is destroying people's lives." And that's a real thing.

real thing. real thing. So, you've got that kind of energy pent up on both sides. They want to see the other side hurt. They want to see their lives ruined. And you're getting this escalatory um stuff. So, I don't see how it backs off given that you've got that energy on both sides where they're, "Oh, you did that. I'm going to do this. You did that. I'm going to do this." And they just keep going going going. So, we're headed towards our own Israel Palestine where it's like each side thinks the other side is wrong and we'll go back with their historical grievances and do you go back to 2020?

Do you go back to 2016? Do you go back to 1971? Do you go back to 1913? But you find that place where it's like you dumb asses did that to us and now we've got to get ours back and this will continue to escalate. So I don't know what is going to be the breaks in Minnesota itself but I don't see them yet. Fatigue maybe maybe it just like there's just not quite that thing that like pushes them over. But um and maybe now is the time to play the clip, but show that clip of the guy getting drugged away by So what this was, if I know all of the details correctly, and forgive me if I don't have any of this correct, I can't remember if I wrote a segment on this.

You did. You did. You did. Um okay. Well, let's pull No, no, no. Not this one. Um it is not this one. Jake Ling or something like that. Uh that is Yeah, it's I know it's in the spreadsheet. I just don't know if I wrote a segment on it. Um, there it is right there. Yep. Yep. Yep. Okay. So, uh, yeah, everybody look at your screen. So, actually, pause it, pause it, pause it, but let me, let me set the stage. So, Minnesota, you've got multiple things happening right now.

You've got the um anti-ICE stuff, stuff, stuff, which makes you a beacon for pro-ICE stuff. You've got actual like immigration like I want the immigration laws to be enforced. You've got the um stay out of my town. So I don't care whether you're here to get a child sex predator. There was another clip that was going around. I don't want ICE in my town. [ __ ] you. I don't care who you're here for. Doesn't matter. You could be here to get Hitler himself. don't want you here.

Um, you've got that collision. You've got racism or perceived racism with this is about Muslims and Muslims are inherently dark-kinned, which is not true, by the way. But nonetheless, that's like the perception. It's not true that Muslims are darkkinned. darkkinned. darkkinned. You can be the whitest white person and be Muslim all day, every day. In North Africa, North Africa, the odds that you're white are basically zero. But I'm saying that people that people that people something like something like something like so you've got the Somali angle which that is both country and skin color.

But I want to be very clear if you can hear my voice please understand Muslims are not inherently dark-kinned. So uh even if you want to be racist aiming that at Muslims is illogical. So Muslim is a religion. Then you've got the religious clash of Christians versus Muslims, atheists versus Muslims, whatever you there there is so much going on. going on. going on. And so all of this is like who's fighting for what, when, where. So, this guy guy guy that's being grabbed, he is a pro-Ice, supposedly anti-Muslim person.

Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. And he was holding a rally, pro-ICE, reportedly anti-Muslim. And so now you get the anti-ICE. Uh I don't know if they would list themselves as promus, but you clearly all things seen through a lens of race, they are conflating race and religion. And so now they're going after this guy. And ironically, it's the black guy who's like, "Everybody needs to calm the [ __ ] down. Like leave this guy alone." He's trying to like run interference and stop them. But if you watch your screen, they are not able to stop him.

So, all right with that. Here we go. It's kind of hard to hear everything, but at one point somebody shouts, "Kill him." By the way, reportedly he gets stabbed. stabbed. stabbed. Uh, I don't know if he gets stabbed multiple times, but some people are saying he got stabbed in the back of the head. Some people are saying he got stabbed in the face, but I have not seen people deny that he got stabbed. So, um, stabbed, beat up, whatever. For sure he comes out of the exchange bloody, bloody, bloody, but they just sweep him away.

Now, if I didn't know anything about history, I'd be like, "Yeah, look, I mean, this is crazy. Did they stab him with like real knives or they poke him with something sharp?" Like I would my instinct would be to downplay this because of a belief that humans are inherently good and you know that all of these things have natural restraint because in the US for most of my life that's been the case but the reality is this is how populism goes and it's like you could just show on a map of like populism to all the way to like um people are being openly killed in the streets that you're just on that continuum.

So yeah, this uh I I don't know what's going to be the brakes on this. Yeah, Jake Lang. Now, from what I hear, Jake Lang is not exactly uh my type of dude, but nonetheless, I don't want to see anybody anybody anybody swept away by a mob. That is wild and extremely risky. extremely risky. extremely risky. Yeah, tensions surely surely are escalating there. um if you were like in commit like how do we calm this in the interim? I know long-term economics that's a much more long that's a longer difficult conversation to happen.

But today on on Monday, tomorrow on Tuesday, is there something that government intervention can happen? Should we just deploy those 1500 troops just to calm it down? down? down? Stop it. the the only thing that history tells you happens is either they run out of energy uh because it nothing bad continues to happen and so the infighting within the movement escalates and and it dissipates on its own. So you can hope for that. Uh the other one if it crosses a certain line which I have not I mean this is admittedly getting close but I have not seen anything where I would say this is LA riots level violence where it's worth the explosive push back you will get for invoking the insurrection act.

insurrection act. insurrection act. Um but if you were going to quell this immediately it's going to be through force. force. force. So history tells us. All right. We We'll see if we actually uh want to get in there. Um there. Um there. Um I think you have to let it You have to let people um This is going to sound terrible. You have to let people blow the steam off and there has to be a release valve for this pressure. You have to let people protest.

You have to let let let the sides come together. It's like I think it is very ill advised to go there and run a pro ICE rally. However, you should be able to do it and then you just have to react and see what the other side does. Like there was a clip going around, I don't know that I would say it went viral, but hundreds of thousands of views where um I think it it's a response to Nick Sorder, I believe, that got his camera stolen.

So, somebody walks up to his camera, he's in Minneapolis, he's filming. Uh, I think he's there about the fraud, though. I couldn't swear to that. And a woman grabs his camera out of his hands, takes off running. Um, he says his hand got trapped in her car door. I don't know if that's true, but regardless of whether he was holding on or um, his hand was trapped, he gets drugged down the street at like what looks like 30 or 40 miles an hour on the sidewalk.

But because it's ice, he just plants his feet. And so he's just like it's looks like a scene out of a Jackie Chan movie. and they're just racing down the sidewalk and he's just sliding sh and I'm like there's no he's dead. Ends up being fine. being fine. being fine. But they then go to the cops and the cops say listen we're looking for the car that did this but can you guys please leave and everybody's like freaking out. Can you believe that the cops said that?

It's like yes I can believe that the cops said that. They're trying to get everyone to calm down. And so if you stop dropping sticks in the antill the antthill stops having a reason to swarm. Now, that doesn't mean that you don't enforce the laws, but it does mean that there is a cause and effect relationship here. So, now despite my feelings that that is ill- advised, you have to let people do it. If people want to drop sticks in the anthill, they have a constitutional right to do it.

So, you have to let them do it. And then if the anthill violates the law, you have to arrest them. But if you don't allow this to play out until it's like, okay, there's a certain extent where this becomes a problem uh and then you have to swoop in, then you just bottle that tension and bottle that tension. And so eventually it is going to spill forth. Um so yeah, you got to let people protest. You got to let them do their thing. And you you've got to know like in any sporting event, oh god, this sounds so terrible.

In any sporting event, you've got to know you can't call every single foul. So, to some extent, you got to let it go. So, we'll see. All right. All right. All right. But I I fully expect something to break and another um person like Renee Good to get shot and then it just goes absolutely insane. Now, who will do the shooting? Whether it's ICE or whether it's somebody protecting their neighborhood, don't know. I don't know. All right, let's jump over to um I don't want to call this lawfare.

I don't know the right word for it, but Democrats and Republicans. So, this is Democrat activist who's really just a podcaster. Jennifer Welsh and Jim Accass say mass prosecutions of Trump and Republicans would be necessary for national reconciliation. national reconciliation. national reconciliation. Blue tsunami means that Congress is going to haul Elon Musk, big balls, and a bunch of other people's ass in front and say, "What crimes did you commit?" And it's going to get really serious. And the same with Trump because I believe, and this is just my opinion, that Trump and all of the bottom feeding morons surrounding him and Elon Musk and all the bottom feeding clinger honors that surround him, I think they commit crimes every day.

And I think to reconcile all of this is going to take hardcore, not integrity Democrats. [ __ ] you, Democrats. [ __ ] you for [ __ ] over our country. We are serious about this. We are prosecuting. We're going to uncover every document, every phone call, everything you did. We will be relentless about it. And that's the mindset they've got to have because I think the electorate is going from we've got to get him out, but also we want accountability. accountability. accountability. There has to be accountability. You dude, this this drives me crazy.

I don't know if people can hear themselves, if they have no sense of second and third order consequences or what. Uh but this is this is crazy. This is crazy. Uh, I do have something on this, Eric. So, if you can pull that up, that would be Vundabar. Uh, Drew will give you the number if he has not already. Four. Four. Four. There it is. That is almost certainly going to be number There we go. All right. Here's my two cents. A new clip has emerged of smoothbrain Democrats playing first order politics and calling for the mass arrest of top Republicans in the name of national reconciliation.

You guys just saw the clip. Now I want you to picture this. The same people who spent years trying to throw Trump in prison are now screaming that when they get back in power, they're going to arrest him, Elon Musk, and half of the Republican party. So when they say it, you can believe them. And what is Trump doing in response to everything done to him? Building cases to lock up Obama, Clinton, and dozens of Democrats, going all the way back to 2016, making it abundantly clear to anybody paying attention that US politics is rapidly becoming an existential battle between two waring tribes.

Now, I say the following to my fellow MPCs. Do not be a slave to your programming. Don't get sucked into the waves of revolutionary energy that will topple this country, cost an untold number of lives. People you love are going to die and lead to a hundred years or more of being bullied by the countries that have their [ __ ] together or at least more than we do. There are few things we could do that would hasten the demise of this great nation faster than going back to politicians who are being driven into their collective corners and telling them that they need to fight for their lives.

We will all be collateral damage. I get the need to interrupt this. I get the need that you cannot let people get away with fraud, with um secret insurrections behind the scenes. I get all of that. But trying to arrest and jail your political opponents should strike everyone as the nuclear option. And and I mean that obviously as a metaphor, but if you think of it as a direct metaphor, the reason we have not gone to nuclear war despite the US and Russia hating each other in the past more than you can possibly imagine.

I grew up with that. I remember what it felt like. felt like. felt like. But we never did it. Not even in the Cuban missile crisis. Nobody ever launched. launched. launched. And the reason they didn't is because of something called MAD, mutually assured destruction. destruction. destruction. Jailing your political opponent is mutually assured destruction. You can see power swings back and forth between Republicans and Democrats back and forth, back and forth. And if you make it such that when they're in power, they feel like, "Oh my god, we've got to arrest and jail everybody everybody everybody because if we don't, we'll lose power.

And when we lose power, they're going to do the same thing to us." You force them to use the nuclear option. We've got to be reminding these people, this will come back to bite you in the ass. This is going to be a problem. So whatever side you're on, don't want your side to win. win. win. Want a truce. Bring the facts into the light. Discuss what happened. By all means, destroy reputations. Don't go on the war path to jail your opponents. It will just be used against you.

And ultimately, we as a country are the ones that are going to pay the price. It it is a I think you always have to cut these out and I know that I create problems for you, but can we please pull up the very end to uh War Games the movie? It has one of the greatest lines and I want everyone of course it's going to be copyrighted. I want everyone to remember this and I'll summarize it if I have to, but man, it'd be so much more powerful if we can play it.

I've never seen it. I don't even know what I'm looking forward to. Okay, that the first one. The first one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go, Dad. Go, Dad. Go, Dad. Sorry. It's new computer. It's me. We will We will We will the problem. the problem. the problem. We will uh see if this works. This is live TV, everybody. Now, we already tried that. Put it up. Okay. Pause it for a second. Let me set the stage. So, a kid hacks into uh NORAD Defense Systems.

Defense Systems. Defense Systems. This is in the 80s when this was believable. hacks into NORAD and thinks war games is a game that you can play. And so they play th thermonuclear war and he's playing against a computer named Joshua. And this is like the 80s imagination of what like a sentient computer would be like. And so this guy who's if you're looking at your screen, this is a guy who created Joshua, who of course has since left the government, wants nothing to do with it, and he realizes how they're abusing it all.

And uh Matthew Broadick, the young boy, is the one who hacked NORAD. The problem is when he starts playing thermonuclear war with the computer, it is a real system meant to launch thermonuclear war. So it doesn't realize that it's just playing a game. And so it starts to like gear up for a real strike. And so then Russia starts gearing up for a real strike because they detect that we're doing this. And so at this moment they're trying to convince the computer not to launch. Okay, with that movie night with the time bill you should I just hope that this is the right on the list.

What's not on the list? Go ahead. It's got to be in there somewhere. Tick attack. Tick attack. I promise it's worth it, chat. Bear with me. Okay. So, uh, pause for a sec. What just happened is he's pulled up tic-tac-toe and he's trying to teach the computer a lesson, which is you can never win. Okay. So, here [snorts] we go. We're going to play tic-tac-toe so he can learn this lesson. No. Of course, for dramatic purposes, many things have to go wrong here. Five numbers. It's got half the code.

So, the computer's ticking down in the background to launch. What now? And it's going to start running a bunch of these simulations and game after game after game, it's going to start learning the fact that, oh [ __ ] no matter what it doesn't, this is going to tie. So, stale me. Want to play again? Yes. Number of players zero. Bro, from when I say the8s made banger movies, movies, movies, the 80s made banger movies like morality tales. tales. tales. Okay, here we go. Speeding up now. Computer is learning what I hope the Republicans and the Democrats will learn.

learn. learn. You are going to hit stalemate after stalemate after stalemate. And there are going to be a lot of lives lost in the interim. I hope you guys are watching your screens as the computer is playing game after game after game after game after game very very quickly. Must be caught in loot as the countdown to the the real thermonuclear launch continues. Nine numbers. Okay, here we go. We got the the rockets. They're coming loose. Is Joshua going to learn his lesson? I love that.

That makes the computers blow up. This is the most 80s thing ever. ever. ever. Major Dave, get me the president. Yes, sir. All right, Joshua, what' you take away? So, here we go. Now Joshua is simulating strikes, thermonuclear strikes from America and Russia at each other and it's playing out countless war games over and over and over to see if the and it keeps saying win or none. So no matter who strikes first, no matter what targets you target, there's no winner. And it's just learning it over and over and over.

How you doing? Uh sir, all land out of the mountain are dead. them trying to break through on satellites. Yeah. Well, so you've got to get to the part where uh it learns its lesson. So, you guys are going to bear with me because I need you all to have this locked into your psyche in the way that it's locked. it's locked. it's locked. No, the computer has You have to hear his voice. It's very Stephen Hawking. What's that? What's that? What's that? It's like a movie day at school.

Yeah, exactly. Enjoy everybody. So, here we go. It's coming. Drew so wants to get off this. I feel his pain as a producer. We're fighting for the soul of the country, Drew. It's worth it. Also, this is a reminder that movies in the 80s were paced very differently than they are now. All right, so it's just running through all the different variations. Everything is a loss. None. None. No winner. No winner. No winner. No chicken dinner for you. All right, here we go. Hello, Joshua. Hello, Joshua.

Strange game. The only winning move is not to play. Boom. Now we got it. All right. I made you sit through all of that because the only winning move is not to play, Drew. Drew. Drew. I That really is true. And so, uh, maybe showing that was a little indulgent and maybe, uh, is going to cost us having to pull this episode down. I don't care. Um, for all the cynics in the feed who think that this is an ego trip of me thinking that I can have some impact.

Sure. impact. Sure. impact. Sure. Okay. And may may I get all of you to join me in that that you guys feel that you can make some difference by getting people to understand that this is a dead end. A dead end. Let's like play that out though, right? If the only winning game, the only way to win the game is not to play. Does that then fundamentally mean instead of having a country that is possibly alienating allies for a potential Russia China threat, we could be using those resources, that energy to supplement and cure some of the economic pains and eases that are happening in America.

Yes. But I don't want to move off the topic. What I'm talking about right now is is is in in populist moments, everybody joins a team and those teams fight. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, that is the thing that people have to resist with everything they have. So, when you find yourself saying words like, "We've got to arrest all of the people on the other side. They're all evil maniacs." evil maniacs." evil maniacs." Uh, pump the brakes. Don't do it. Both sides have to do it. The Trump DOJ has got to chill.

The Democrats have got to chill. Like, everybody's got to chill. Like, this the only winning move is not to play. And I think that people have a belief that America's going to be fine no matter what happens. And um that is going to be cold comfort when you go through um something like the Civil War. We made it to the other side. That's a lot of dead people. And there are horrors that you can survive that are still horrors. Like the world's not going away. America is not going away.

But can we make it way worse for the people that live here for extended periods of time? Yes. And so we're just at a high risk inflection point right now. And all it takes is for people to go, oh yeah, like this is this is a line I don't cross. So bring virtue back. Literally bring code of conduct. Yeah. Integrity. Uh lines that don't get crossed. like all of that stuff. We we've got to rembrace that. We've got to celebrate people that do it. We've got to remind people that it's worthwhile pursuing.

So, okay, that's the period on that. Now, if you want to talk about what should we be doing if we want to make the country a better place, there are many, many, many things that we can and should do that all drive to make the middle class thrive. So, you've got to get them on a progressive not what left people mean by that you've got to get them economically progressing progression is a foundational pillar to human happiness. human happiness. human happiness. So understanding people have to feel like oh I work hard I can make more money and therefore I'm capturing more value from my time uh putting them in a position where they can help get their kids off to a good start so that there's this sense of upward economic trajectory.

You've got to make you've got to deal with the freeloader problem. So right now we have created a massive freeloader problem which we're seeing in all the fraud because we have made it possible to come here to America or be a natural-born American and take advantage of a system. You can't do that because now you have to tax the rest of the world and those chickens come home to roost every time. So you've got to stop doing that. Uh you've got to be financially disciplined. You've got to understand that truly, as cheesy as this became for anybody that grew up in the 80s, the children really are our future.

You got to educate the life out of them. You've got to make sure that they are effective in the real world. You've got to take advantage of technological deflation, which we are not. The government robs all of that from us. And so things just get more expensive over time, and they should absolutely be getting cheaper. Um, and you have to understand that a one world government just is it's bad in the same way that um having kids with your sister is bad. It makes you immunologically weak to threats.

And so the more the reason part of the reason that America is so strong is it has 50 states. California starts acting a fool. You move to Texas, you move to Florida, whatever. Um, and then as a whole, the country is stronger for it. When you try to unite the entire world, I get the impulse. Um, but it just doesn't work out. It just fosters corruption because you're always going to get something run by a small group of elites. So now a small group of elites doesn't just run their country or their city, they run the entire world.

Terrible situation. So, we've got to understand that the the good result comes from healthy friction between two well-meaning but opposing world views. And we have now for far too long believed that there's one worldview that's right, mine, whatever you think yours is, and then every other worldview is wrong. When my wife and I get into our biggest arguments, I will remind myself because I'll feel so right. I will feel that I have God on my side, that I am just and she is unjust. And then I remind myself, my way isn't right.

My way is simply my way. And once you understand that that really is true, uh then you stop trying to take over the whole world because it's like, well, it's probably best that my power is checked. And we are not acting like that. We are not focused on really um defining the metrics by which we judge whether our country is thriving. thriving. thriving. We're not taking the time to make sure that the next generation is good to go from a skill set perspective. Uh we're not making sure that our national security is protected.

So that's where I'd start. I'd start. I'd start. Uh Eric, can we get number five queued up? um keeping in the terms of uh let's call it the Senate um cuz um Chuck Schumer announced some of the policies that they want to do if they uh won the 2026 midterms. If you look at the budget actually we're working on right now and we'll have the T HUD budget, you know, transportation and HUD budget. we restore most of the cuts uh and even go higher than previous years on many of the programs that Doge slashed.

Um when I met our nominee for HUD secretary, then he was nominee. He talked a nice game, but he doesn't seem to have the clout to make those views prevail over the uh Doge people, over the cut cut people. But we have worked really hard in the budget and gotten bipartisan support to increase these amounts and undo a lot of the cuts which are essential. If you look at the budget, budget, budget, so that's him talking about he'll restore some of the doge cuts to the uh the Department of uh transportation infrastructure.

infrastructure. infrastructure. Y Y Y Okay. Okay. Okay. Did you know? Okay. This was on the John Kennedy thing. This was different. Oh, that's right. Yes. Yes. We can tie them we can tie them both up. You want to jump into that next? next? next? No. No. No. You're right. So, uh, the the beef that I have here is unfortunately he's the one saying the words, words, words, but Republicans and Democrats alike are going to, as a matter of policy, just spend, spend, spend, spend, spend. They just want to spend on different things.

So, both parties are running this country to ruin. So, I don't want to overfocus on the fact that a Democrat is saying it. I'm just like, please, all your alarm bells need to go off when you start hearing Republicans talk about we need to roll back cuts. We need to get all this going again. Like, we need to really look at what's going on with fraud in this country. You're going to find a metric [ __ ] ton of it in California. I guarantee it. Fraud and waste.

Let's just do that so it's less controversial. But if you spend billions of dollars on highspeed rail and don't lay any high speed up, like you are my enemy. Mhm. enemy. Mhm. enemy. Mhm. Um, if you run a budget deficit and try to confiscate the private property of people because they fall into a demographic class, you are my enemy. A demographic class? What do you mean by that? that? that? Uh, if you're a billionaire, we're going to come and seize 5% of your assets, which will end up being more because you'll have to sell in a distress situation.

Like, okay. And now, keep in mind that they are making high friction for you to leave the state. When you try to stop people from leaving your jurisdiction, you are the bad guy in all capital le letters. People jump on tiny boats and try to get to America from Cuba. No one jumps in a boat from Florida and tries to get to Cuba. Uh, West Germany, East Germany. No one tried to get from West Germany into East Germany unless they were trying to get somebody out.

Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Nobody or sorry, many many people risked their lives and got killed trying to go from East Germany to West Germany. Now, when you shoot someone or charge them a fee to leave, you're the bad guy. California is doing the fee to leave. Like, it's crazy. And we are going to escalate until that is nationwide if we're not very careful. So, anyway, again, I don't want to make this about Republicans and Democrats. They are both god awful. god awful. god awful. And then now jumping into the John Kennedy thing where he passed legislation that has allowed people to end this fraud of paying dead people.

Yeah. One of many unfortunately talk to you about the ending improper payments to deceased people act. Boy, that's a mouthful. Um here here's what I want to talk about. Many Louisianans read the stories about the welfare fraud in Minnesota and frankly in other states and it makes them nauseous. I feel the same way. That's why I have been working for years, literally years to target welfare fraud. Um especially the fraudsters who conduct fraud in the name of deceased Americans. In 2023 alone, for example, the federal government sent $1.3 billion, not million, billion.

The federal government sent $1.3 billion to dead people. It's people. It's people. It's Wow. Wow. Set us up. Um, I can't do the I do declare accent for much longer. If we could just uh What's the uh the rooster in Looney Tunes? Uh uh uh uh I do declare. Uh, sir, you talking about Fogghorn Legel? Yes. But yes, I don't know how he got that name. That is the wildest [ __ ] ever. That is like some straight Japanese like wild naming convention, which I'll never understand. But, okay.

Did you know your hard-earned tax dollars literally are funding the afterlife? That is a true statement. The US government has been shelling out billions in benefits to dead people for years, and it took a full-blown act of Congress to finally slam the door shut on this obvious waste. dare I say fraud. By way of the details, Senator John Kennedy from Louisiana has been beating the drum for years that this has been going on. The Social Security Administration, SSA, and other federal agencies have improperly paid out, improperly paid out.

They know that this is tracked. Over $1 billion in benefits to deceased individuals since 2013 due to poor data sharing between departments. Uh-huh. Kennedy got a temporary 2020 law. stopping improper payments to deceased people act passed that allowed the SSA to share its death master file with Treasury's do not pay system. This should prevent or even recover hundreds of millions of dollars in fraud. Now, the bipartisan ending improper payments to deceased people's act spearheaded by John Kennedy uh and passed in Congress makes this data sharing permanent because originally had to do it as just a temporary measure and the hope is that this ends the waste for good and it's now headed to the president's desk for signing.

But should we have ever been in this position? Should people have been firebombing Teslas when Elon Musk dared to point out the obvious fact that this kind of thing is happening and people just tried to downplay, downplay, downplay, downplay. And what do we keep seeing every time we turn around is more and more fraud is being uncovered. Right now, the hot spot that has everybody's focus is Minnesota. It will not be the last because people will exploit whatever system you give them. So, you've got to work very hard to make sure that you close off areas of exploitation.

You have to do things like means testing. Do people actually need the benefits? And if they don't need the benefits, you have to stop giving it to them. But we get people that absolutely go haywire when you say that you have to show that you need the money or that you've been looking for a job or whatever. Sure, there are going to be some people that absolutely can't, but that's going to be a minority. And if you don't start policing this stuff, then you will be the turtle that drowns because you get so many barnacles on it.

Unfortunately, it's just the architecture of the human mind. That's the way that we work. I'm sad to report, but there it is. Um there's been some conflicting policies. Um for example, like Nick Shirley um saying that he broke the Minnesota fraud when those people were under investigation going back to 2023. Um, there's been reports that Doge, you know, I said they were going to cut two trillion, ended up being a couple billion. billion. billion. I mean, so far, like, I I think that people have to let this stuff play out.

So, the question for me is, when you hear that somebody you hate discovered fraud on your team, what's your reaction? If your reaction is, "Fuck those guys," uh, meaning the person that discovered it, you're a bad person. M your morality is [ __ ] And if when you hear someone you hate finding fraud on your team, you go, "Damn, let's look. I hope it's not true, but if it is true, they got to go." Cool. Now we're on the same team. But that is not what a populist moment brings you.

What a populist moment brings you is I'm going to defend against ICE, whether you're here to arrest a child predator or not. Uh, I don't want the fraud to stop uh, no matter what because I don't like the person that discovered it because when the roles are flipped, like think about this. Let's make it about the Epstein files real fast. Uh, Democrats could have pursued the Epstein files and they didn't. Why not? But they got mad when suddenly it was politically expedient to go after Trump and now it's like, whoa, I can't believe that Trump isn't releasing the files.

It's like, uh, wait, what? You guys just had four years and you did [ __ ] all, so it didn't matter to you. This is clearly just a political charade. So that's what drives me crazy is uh can we please I mean the the Democrats didn't run on releasing the Epstein files though. No, but shouldn't they have done it? Either the Epstein files should be released and they matter or the Epstein files never [ __ ] matter and let's all shut up and move on. One of those two things is true.

Once you realize, no, no, no, no, th this is about where is the cultural energy? How can I use this to bludgeon my enemy to death? Then at least we're being honest about the game being played. played. played. So it's like let let me boys and girls the things we cover on this show 85% where the cultural energy is. There might be things I really [ __ ] care about and I'm not going to talk to you about it because it's not going to perform. It's not going to do numbers.

There you go. We can always talk about it. I always tell people the only thing that makes something worse is when you can't talk about it. So we can talk about it whatever we want. We can talk about Tom's biases. I have them. I try to confess them as fast as I can so everybody understands what my frame of reference is. I'm just saying people are they're never talking about the thing. Again, to use my wife and I, we have an agreement in our relationship. You never argue about the T.

You argue about the real underlying issue that's causing you to be angry. The T just means the surface level. Ah, Epstein files are a problem. No, no, no. It's not about that. What this is really about is we're playing team sports and when one political party is trying to jail the other political party and doing everything they can to get them out of power, you're going to have a problem that that is just going to escalate. Let's talk about that problem because that's really eating at the heart of America.

Uh this we got here because of debt. Let's talk about debt. Let's actually get this [ __ ] country out of debt. Let's put the kind of energy into debt all day every day that we would need to to stop being buffoons that are destroying the middle class. Let's talk about it. But it you get up to the level of the tea because it's gets people excited. It makes them have a huge emotional response. Um their programming is bad and so mentally they're not able to think past the first uh order consequence and so we end up in these death loops.

death loops. death loops. There you have it. Well, since you bought it up, um, the DOJ is now filing a motion to block the release of the Epstein files, arguing that federal courts lack the authority to enforce the Epstein Transparency Act, and no court can force them to produce the files. Um, yeah, that's crazy to me. I I don't even know what's going on. Shawn Ryan retweeted, "I've never seen a group of people go to such lengths to protect sexual predators." And then on top of that, giving you a quick uh sixact structure.

Epste files don't exist. Act two, Epstein is a Democratic host. Act three, fine, we'll release the files. Act four, too many files, we need time. Act five, redact and withhold files. Act six, no court can force us to release those files. Okay, wait. There was an act before this, which was the Epstein files are so important. The second we get into office, we're going to release this. you need to get us into office because we're the only ones with the balls to actually do this. do this.

do this. Yo, so yeah, this is uh this is crazy. Listen, this is how power works. So, here is the very icky underbelly of power. power. power. The very icky underbelly of power is that um everybody has leverage on everybody else. Um, there are people that do absolutely dastardly things, but they are beneficial to you in some way, and so you don't want to see them go down. down. down. Um, a bad person uh is critical to your to a thing that is actually going to be good for America.

Like, okay, let me give you a real example. Stalin Stalin Stalin murdered millions of people. Millions. Stalin is one of the most evil people ever to gain power in all of human history. He will be remembered a thousand years from now as somebody who killed and killed and killed and killed his own people. But we partnered with him in World War II. So, now what? What do you do with that? By the way, uh I don't know about you, but I learned [ __ ] all about what Mao did to his people when I was in high school.

Nothing. Literally nothing. But I heard a whole lot about Hitler. So cool. Love the energy on Hitler. Hitler was a bad [ __ ] dude. Where's the energy on Mal? Where's the energy on Stalin? Where's the energy on Lenin? None of it because you'd have to explain. Uh we got in bed with Stalin because it was expedient. expedient. expedient. We uh didn't care that he was killing his own people because we need him to throw a whole bunch of those people on the front lines in Russia uh to stop this German advance.

We've got a shot for them to be um a second front so we can really weaken Hitler and win this thing. And we'll deal with Stalin later. But for now, Stalin's our boy. We'll say nice things. Um, no problem shaking hands, being seen with him, all that. Yeah, it doesn't matter. And the thing is, yes, you should do that. You have to do that do that do that because you have an immediate threat, which is Hitler going crazy. You have a maybe threat in the future of Stalin going crazy.

Deal with the threat right now and then you quarantine him and you figure out how you're going to deal with him down the road. And so that's the ugly reality of power is that's how all this [ __ ] plays out. And then the part that I hate more than anything, and we're going to watch how this plays out because of social media and cameras everywhere, you then have to lie and control what people believe is true by spinning the facts by telling people a story full of lies over and over and over.

And all that matters is what you repeat. What you repeat is what matters. And so they'll tell you a bald-faced lie over and over and over and over. And simply by saying it over and over and over and over, it becomes true. So I'll tell you this. Here was my vision of Columbus discovering America and Thanksgiving and the pilgrims when I was a kid that it was awesome. And the pilgrims rolled up and there was a big rock called Plymouth Rock and they got out. They planted some crops having a bit of a tough time.

The Indians, that's what they were called back then, uh, rolled up and were like, "Hey, we've got a cornucopia." What's a cornucopia? I didn't know. We've got a cornucopia of goods and we're going to teach you how to farm. Amazing. Flash forward and America's ours and uh, Indians are now in reservations. I don't know why. And by the way, Columbus was the guy that made it all possible. The reality goes something more like this. Columbus is getting clowned on by everybody and he believes because he's miscalculated the size of Earth.

He believes that he can find a cutthrough to the other side of the world uh to India and instead he ends up on the shores of America because the world is much bigger technically. He went to the Caribbean. He never into the Caribbean and finds natives there and says, "You guys are going to go get me a whole bunch of gold and if you don't, I'm going to cut your [ __ ] hands off." And was brutal in the extreme. So now what do you do? Because by the way, having a founding myth of America, and I emphasis on the word myth, is extremely useful.

And telling Americans that their uh country built on the back of evil is a terrible [ __ ] idea because it doesn't play out well. Uh, and also lying about all of it, while super um effective in terms of getting Americans to believe something about themselves, is also a terrible [ __ ] idea. So, what do you do? And so, now we're in a position where you just see the intellectual warfare happening in real time, live on camera, everybody's spinning all the time. So, is that going to stand? Or do we end up pulling ourselves apart because there are so many conflicting narratives and people to simplify their lives just choose to believe one?

I'm on this team. Please spoon feed me the Gerber's baby formula of what I'm supposed to believe so I can barf it all over somebody else. Uh, that's the world that we're in right now. And I have a bad feeling because people cannot hold nuanced and conflicting ideas in their head that they just want the baby Gerber premasticated premasticated premasticated uh [ __ ] and they'll swallow it hookline and sinker and every now and then it makes them show up on their doorstep for some reason with an assault rifle rifle rifle and that we're watching it play out right now.

right now. right now. Uh man, um I'm sorry. We have a showstopping super chat. Big one. Big one. Big one. If I can find the air horn. I think I think it's on that one. If you could air ear air ear air horn me for a second. Uh we have a showstopping super chat. It's the Bitcoin Ben show. Damn Damn Damn 500 bones on Martin Luther King Day. That's a way to do reparations. Um well done sir. Uh people need to understand Trump is fighting against the plan to destroy America that started in the 1880s by the Fabian Socialists and the global banking system.

Not an opinion, a fact. The progressives are the enemies. Oh, Bitcoin then I I am both grateful for your reparations your reparations your reparations uh and mortified because even let's just assume everything you just said is 100% accurate. As soon as you go the progressives are the enemy now we're back into uh we've got two teams. They're fighting each other so we need to be very careful. I trust me, I get the energy and man, do I um hope that some of Trump's um economic policies end up playing out well, but there there are just second and third order consequences to the way that he's doing it that I don't think can be denied.

Now, maybe with historical perspective, we're able to look back and say you had to have somebody that was going to break the globalist system, like he had to break the system and temperamentally Trump was able to do that. Uh but we may also look back on this moment and mark it as this is where everything started to go to hell in a hand basket because we um diminished the veracity with which our allies would stand with us. Look, we're still so economically and militarily powerful that they will stand with us.

Um but you put yourself in a weakened state where people are just waiting. They're standing by you due to coercion, not due to seduction. And so when something goes wrong, they're just not going to be there for you. Like look, I don't know if you guys saw, but China launched two um missiles, uh I don't know if they were to launch, I think they were surveillance systems or something. Surveillance or military anyway, and both of them crashed. And I couldn't help but think of the German nuclear scientists that ensured that Hitler didn't get the bomb because remember, we ended up getting the bomb because we had better Nazis.

That's an uncomfortable truth. I think it's project paperclipip if I remember right where we went. We're like, well, Germany fell. Uh, let's go snatch up their uh scientists and some of them were horrifying Nazis and let's get them to build our nuclear program. And they did and it worked. And it's a good thing that we won. So now what do you do with that? So the Germans supposedly the reason that they could help us but couldn't get themselves across the finish line was they were actively sabotaging their own efforts.

And so is it possible that Chinese scientists are doing something similar because there's a whole lot of really smart people in China. Uh but they just seem to lag a little bit behind our efforts. Now that's just conjecture. I don't know that that's true. So hearsay, me fantasizing, all of that is absolutely true. Um, and I think that because China uses a level of coercion, um, that even Trump is not prepared to use on its own people yet. So, uh, yeah, I don't think coercion is the path forward, my beloved Ben.

Not that you said that particularly. I just don't want people to, uh, start viewing the other side as the enemy. So, progressives are [clears throat] not the enemy. Progressives are the people that we have to find a way um to take what's beneficial and somehow blunt the effects of the things that are not beneficial and get people back on track. Now, not as sexy or emotionally invigorating as your statement, but uh thank you Bitcoin Ben for the $500 super chat. Much appreciated. You got two more.

Do you want those now or later? or later? or later? Yeah, let's hit them up. Cool. Uh Daniel Dkins said, "War based off nukes has no winner because the world is dead in the end, but we can have a winner in a civil war. It will suck. It will be bad and people will not make it. Love the show. Hope you don't get eaten as a rich person." Thank you. Actually, that's very kind. I appreciate that. Um okay, so uh you're not wrong. That is a factually correct statement.

We've had one world uh one civil war before and we came out the other side better for it for sure. Um so yes, however, what I'm trying to get people to understand is that when you're locking up your political opponents that it has a knowable, historically verified consequence. And that consequence is um you don't get a just civil war. You get a banana republic where people get to power, they multiply the corruption by a thousandfold because that's how they're going to stay in power and they increasingly use draconian efforts.

There is a reason that you get these great men of history moments where you get somebody like Lincoln. Remember Lincoln staffed his um committee with what he called a team of rivals. And so he wanted Republicans and Democrats getting together and arguing the points. He wanted to build something that was both practical because some of the concessions that Lincoln made um are brutal when you hear them. It it will uh deflate your sense of who Lincoln is. But he was both very practical and understood that there was a moral argument that needed to be made and pushed forward.

Um, so yes on the Civil War, but Lord knows I hope we don't ever end up there. And no on that's what this particular issue is about. The um lawfare between the left and the right is not about finding our way to a just civil war. It is about each side believing that they alone see the truth and the other side is intentionally trying to destroy America. What they need to understand is the grander context of populism fighting over a shrinking pie that I've talked about many times.

Next one from Brandon B2337. Uh hypothesis. The earth is headed towards a glo global cataclysm and the government is aware of its aliens. Um solar flares i.e. the total extinction event. Look into Greenland as Noah's ark. Could that be the reason he wants it? it? it? No. No. No. Um, so all of those things are uh the there there are very plausible things that have happened historically that exist on like a terraforming the entire planet scale. And so those are real. uh if you flip the um the the poles are going to flip at some point and from what I hear that creates like crazy long-term weather problems.

Uh so that's very real. Um you climate change is going to happen whether humans are involved or not on a long enough time scale. Um, I don't know that we have enough water trapped in weird places now that we would have the kind of cataclysmic flooding that many historians believe created the fact that we have all this mythology around there being this cataclysmic flood. Uh but for anybody that's been paying attention to like conspiracy stuff, um there is a believe a belief and having grown up in the uh Pacific Northwest, I can actually see from a geological standpoint what they're talking about that there was just a ton of water that had built up I think up in Canada somewhere and it was being held in by either an ice dam or a land dam and it ended up breaking.

And so then you you had so much water um come crashing down through the Pacific Northwest down into I believe the um the central valley here in California, which is why it's so um rich that there was just so much uh top soil that was drugged with it. Um that the soil here in the valley is incredibly incredibly um nutrient-dense. So, I I don't know that any of that's true, but like yes, earthshatteringly large events can and do take place. Do I think that given that we can't predict earthquakes, do I think that the government knows that it's coming in some No, I think that they know that they happen on certain time frames.

Um, and so, you know, is it going to happen in the next 10 months? Is it going to happen in the next 10 years? Is it going to happen in the next 10,000? Like, these things swing by thousands of years. Um, so I don't think anybody knows. I think that's the real answer. Um, aliens. Here comes my blind faith that um, Elon would love to be the one that breaks the news that there are aliens. And so the fact that he hasn't tells me that there aren't and um, just given what he's accomplished from an engineering perspective, I don't think anybody knows more about space uh, than him and the scientists that work for him, obviously.

Uh, so yeah, I think if there were aliens, he would have ratted them out a long time ago. I think everything else you see is military testing um literal scops where the government needs us to believe that whatever new technologies they've created or our enemies have created are aliens instead of what they are which is weapons. I feel like knowing how to build a rocket is different than knowing what if an entity is in space. I think those are two different two different two different I would agree with you.

But launching more things into space, I think, than anyone ever. Uh puts you in a different league because you are now the one that has the most worry about what's flying around. Uh you know what the realities of the physics are. Um you are the one that's proven that you can develop the most advanced technology. But you're all thinking about it from the same perspective though. You're not thinking about it looking from the terrestrial looking at Earth. You're thinking about it at the Earth. So your thinking is um they've been able to avoid Elon's detection who has more satellites in space than anybody ever in human history, but not the person in Area 51.

That [ __ ] who just happened to be driving down the highway next to a bunch of cows. They saw it, but they managed to dodge. I mean, yes, Rufus in the RV probably isn't a credible source, but if what the Bank of England is talking about and NASA has contact with uh like they're taking signals and things like that, ThreeI Atlas is is sending pulse and they're reading those signatures. Yeah, but that ended up being like full of nickel. It's just an astron. I'm using that as an example, but it's a perfect example because it shows that people can get all kinds of hysterical about [ __ ] that ends up just being a natural phenomenon and it's nothing.

It is a big nothing burger. I so wanted that to be aliens. I have a bias. I want aliens to exist so badly. Uh I just I the one guy who's telling you I love all this irony [ __ ] I want to break this news on Joe Rogan. Like there's no I don't think he has the personality type to keep that buried. I think he would just tell people. And if you think that he's in anybody's pocket, I will remind you that he said the sitting president is in the Epstein files and that will come out in the fullness of time.

This kid will cut his own nose off to spite his face. So, uh, yeah. Like, he'll say the [ __ ] things because he can't stop himself. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, I don't buy for a second. So, okay. You your thesis statement is Elon is not the person to turn to. Fair. Clear. Mine is Elon is the guy. Copy. Um, speaking of which, the Bank of England is ready already. Uh, Bank of England told people to prepare for a market crash if the United States announces alien life.

Helen McCall, who served as a senior analyst in financial security at the UK Central Bank, sounded the alarm. She has now written to Andrew Bailey, the bank's governor, urging him to organize contingencies for the possibility that the White House may confirm, "We are not alone in this universe." Um, I remember over CO they released some of the Area 51 files, but nobody really cared cuz half of the cities were burning and it was just like, "Oh yeah, by the way, we might have contacted aliens." Speculation, speculation, release.

Yeah. So, So, So, every time these declassifications happen, it always seems like when the world is at its most highest and the government's like, "Oh, yeah. Now they're looking at the Epstein files. Release the alien stuff. Let's get it out of there." The question is, which is a distraction from the other? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is the aliens a distraction from Epstein? Is Epste a distraction from the aliens? Don't know. We'll find out. But this one to me is um it's very fun and I'd love to speculate on it and whenever there's something that pops off, I'm very happy to cover it.

But the like reality of reality of reality of I want you to imagine the only way to get to planet Earth, the following statement is true. The only way to get to planet Earth is to bend spacetime. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. You can bend spacetime, but you get detected. Get the [ __ ] out of here. People need to read the threebody problem. That's what a civilization that can cross spaceime will look like. Like they're operating at nanoparticle levels. They're disrupting your um your particle accelerators to confuse physicists.

It'll be some [ __ ] like that. It's not going to be the equivalent of like getting here on a [ __ ] road trip and your boys are like drinking and [ __ ] like that. You have to bend spacetime. So that is a level of technology so advanced you're not going to be accidentally spotted and you're sure as hell not going to accidentally crash. So yeah, all that stuff just strikes me as beyond absurd. Also, by the way, you're not going to f Well, if you could bend spacetime and you found a way to travel through a wormhole and hold biological hold biological hold biological fidelity.

fidelity. fidelity. No, there's no assumption that there's biology. So, it could be you're just sending AI. Cool. So, that one I'll stick with. You let's say yes, you can come here, but you're the world's most uh sensient uh sensient uh sensient super intelligent AI because you're not physical. I don't think a physical. I don't think a biological creature would be able to go through a wormhole anyway. I don't know enough about the physics, but uh no way that you can go through wormholes successfully and then [ __ ] up on the other side.

other side. other side. So they just they're just sending Tesla robo taxis to us. That's what that's what that's the closest Tesla robo taxis are would be like a match car matchbox car is to us would be to them. to them. to them. No, I mean the equivalent they will just send like a drone type of thing. It would be like bodies. The three body problem paints what I think is a far more realistic picture of what actual hyper advanced technology looks like and they send nano particles that are basic, if I remember right, they're sensient.

So they can do a thing like they react to stuff that they see, but they're like particle level size. And so they would go in and cause particle interactions within the Large Hadron Collider so that physicists are just perpetually confused and can never grasp how the physics of the universe actually work. And that's how you would [ __ ] with us. And they're doing that to disrupt it. I never seen never seen never seen they're doing it because they plan to take over Earth because it has dope resources.

And so they're like, "Oh, they'll just sabotage it and then kill everybody and then come." Correct. Correct. Correct. Got it. And so they don't want us because it takes so long for them to travel here. They don't want us to figure it out. So they're like, "We need to styy their physics uh so that we can remain hyper advanced compared to them. And then when we get there, we'll just run this bitch." Maybe they're the ones who send over the lizard people who are now ruling us.

And then that's what happened. That's probably right. Yeah. And they don't take over with super intelligence, which would be the easiest thing in the universe if you're super intelligent. Uh instead like hide yourself. Yeah, under human skin as a secret lizard person. person. person. Yeah. And where that'll make sense. Of course. Of course. Of course. This is logical. Um, Um, Um, this is logical. I don't know how to take that. For the first time today, we're over 2,000 when we start talking about [ __ ] aliens. Of course.

Of course. course. course. Uh, in the grand totality of the universe, is there other living things? I'm going to say, do you want my real belief? I I'm going to say I want to quantify living things. I think people relationships like people who have minds they could think there's another artist in space sector 67 whatever do you think in the totality of universe there's another planet that has a similar way of living living living our universe is not locally real the other day I was having um just this thought of like why we never talk about this so I need to do a really deep dive so I can really really learn the physics I can give you the headline stuff but I don't understand the physics well enough yet.

Uh, but our universe renders like a computer video game. They just handed out the Nobel Prize for proving that. That's not even like a question mark. The universe is not locally real. Meaning, if a tree falls on Mars and there's no one there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound. It doesn't even actually fall. It's just a computation that when you look at it will then give you the answer of what that meant whether it fell or not. That is so [ __ ] crazy. And people because all of us, myself included, don't fully understand it.

We're just like and we just move on. The universe is not locally real. That is so [ __ ] crazy. So now it's like okay you you can think of it as a metaphor but the reality is so accurate to the fact that we are in a simulation that now I'm just like okay well if we're in a simulation and the universe isn't locally real are there other pockets of measuring devices essentially and so [snorts] I'm like why create the vastness of space is it so you can simulate the universe in which case there's probably life all over the place or do you do it you pick one planet and you control your variables?

Now, as I'm building project Kaizen, it's these are all trade-offs and I have a feeling given the level of complexity with which the Earth is being I don't know that I actually believe we're in a simulation. I want to be very clear about that. I am so open to other solutions, but I'm going to talk for a minute as if it I'm just closing all other doors. other doors. other doors. Mh. When I think about how like, okay, when you create a simulated world, you want to do it on the back of uh rules.

If people haven't played Hightail, by the way, if you're a gamer and you liked Minecraft, play Hightail. But so, I'm playing and I'm looking at the rule structure that the world is built up off of. and you realize very simple set of rules and it creates like all this wonderful complexity and then you start thinking about the depth of the complexity of the rule set that we're built on top of. Now it may be one elegant like mathematical equation like an E= MC² which is actually far more complicated than people think but anyway something like that where it's simple and from that spring all of the laws of the universe great but it still manifests as an evolutionary process that is insanely complicated where you've you've got something that defines um the rate at which water will cross a cell membrane, right?

I mean, it's just like [ __ ] deep deep deep deep deep simulation such that if we're all NPCs inside of a um thing, we get cancer, but cancer rates are going to vary over time based on environmental factors and how DNA makes like the the level of complexity is [ __ ] insane. So I could see given that in this imagined read of the universe that um there's only life here because you're not trying all the the universe itself is merely the um simulation that you need to hold everything in um stable so that you need to press a button and it needs to start right so you need a seed.

This is exactly how a world in Minecraft is built or project Kaizen. you give it a seed and so it's like okay this is the core variable upon which all the things that say reference core variable will spin off so where trees get placed and bushes get placed ah and so that's the big bang that's that initial seed then the physics the math just plays everything else out and so I think the reason that we in this imagined scenario I think the reason or the argument would be as to why we can't figure out how life got started, why the universe is dialed so specifically.

Like you tip it even a little bit in either direction and it would just all fall apart. So it's like how do we get this precise? Uh is that there's somebody coding hard coding certain variables to make sure that the game plays period. period. period. So it seems like there's a creator. Yeah. And the problem is when you say things like that, you just push the miracle off. Yeah, we're uh being created by a lazy 13-year-old who's um got to prove to his middle school teacher that he um understands how to build a stable terrarium inside of uh we're diarama that he did at 10 o'clock at night cuz his dad's forgot literally and that's why he's had to hardcode so many variables.

And so then you go, okay, but wait, but who created that [ __ ] kid? And so then it just spirals and spirals and spirals and I don't see any way out. Yeah, it's it's interesting. All right, we got one more story to get to. Uh, and I know we got a couple super chats. We're We're doing this. We're getting through it, guys. Uh, yo, OpenAI is is on its last leg. Um, before we even get into the lawsuit of it all, they just announced ads, which anybody who knows what you announce ads, that's the beginning of the end.

Um, a lot of just in my personal circle, I've heard a lot more, oh, I use Claude, oh, I use Gemini, or I use Grock, like the usage rate has gone. They lost market share. Um Ben Affleck had like a crazy AI take over the uh weekend at um on Joe Rogan saying that a lot of these AI models are just overpromising what they can do to justify their capex spends in the interim and stuff like that. So it there's a lot of things that are like okay maybe this AI thing isn't quite exactly what we've seen that nobody can say that if they're actively using AI but sure there are people saying that.

Okay. I would say that the promise is kind of like with Elon he'll say it's going to be done in three years it might take six. Yeah. So, we could always say they might be overpromising a little bit more than what they're actually the scale of change which is actually happening. I want you to imagine something. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Um, you just had a baby. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. And that baby's name is LeBron. And, uh, your whole family is like, "This kid is gonna be good at basketball." basketball." basketball." And then, um, who's good in the NBA right now?

right now? right now? LeBron. Um, Luca. He's from Luca. Perfect. Yes. So Luca is full-g grown adult and walks up to the six-month-old LeBron. It's like, "This kid can't [ __ ] play basketball. He can't even dribble. He can't even stand up. [ __ ] this kid." And then he's three, and you like see the kid playing dribbling the ball, and you're like, "Whoa, okay, that's kind of weird for a three-year-old." But Luca still swats the ball out of the hand, kicks the kid down the road, and like that kid sucks.

Then the kid's 12, then 18, and then the most dominant force we've seen since Michael Jordan. So we are looking at AI when it's literally a four-year-old and it's already it's already it's already startling what it can do. Now Elon Musk Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. the world's greatest aggregator of engineers engineers engineers has just built the largest uh data center for AI ever by a lot and is about to like make it bigger by 50% again in the next I don't know six months or something. And something.

And something. And people need to understand every belief is built on the back of base assumptions. If you want to target the belief, target the base assumption and say that base assumption is false. The base assumption right now that everybody who has my position believes the following. Intelligence will not asmtote. Meaning there's no ceiling. So the reason that human intelligence has asintoed is because women want to stand upright. stand upright. stand upright. And I'm going to guess they're too vulnerable to prey if they are can't stand up.

And so we're a combination of how big can the child's head be and still exit the vagina and the woman be able to stand upright. And so it's like this balancing act. And then how long can we bake them after they're born to make them further intelligent? And that strat has made us by far the most dominant um creature the earth has ever seen. Mhm. Artificial intelligence is not limited by that. And so everyone was like, well, you won't be able to get larger and larger data centers to cohhere.

What that means is you can't just keep adding neurons, which is essentially the hypothesis about the brain. The if you think of the human brain as two things, this is not just one because I'm sure whale brains or whatever bigger, not compared to body mass, but bigger. Uh and the reason whales are dumber than humans is because you have both the size, how many neurons and the call it algorithm. So how's the brain folded? Um how does it communicate with itself? How rapidly does it transmit electrons and chemicals and all of that stuff.

So there's going to be other things, but if you take it as those two, you've got just how many neurons can you get working together and how efficiently can you get those working together? And so far there's no limit. And if that's true and we can both make the brains bigger and bigger and we can make them more and more efficient, more efficient, more efficient, there's no end. And there's no end to how intelligent they will become. They are already passing tests better than humans. So um AI is already at four years old depending on where you start the clock.

I'm starting it at the launch of Chad GPT. uh and I think it's actually three years but anyway we'll say four say four say four uh that AI is already able to understand mathematics understand mathematics understand mathematics not to have memorized math equations to understand mathematics itself. It's able to um defeat math challenges that only the smartest kids in America can do like math Olympians. math Olympians. math Olympians. um it's starting to make novel novel breakthroughs in biology. That means it's understanding the underlying mechanisms of biology.

So just had um David Sinclair on the David Sinclair on the show uh coming out in a couple weeks I think. No, March. Coming out March and um he I asked him point blank has AI made novel breakthroughs something that's not in the literature anywhere. He said yes. So, it's like, dude, give it 5 years. And not only will it be unimaginably better than it is today, it won't be binary. You don't have to wait 5 years. It's just going to keep getting better day after day after day after day.

day. day. Understood as AI, the industry, I'm zooming in specifically on chat GPT, Open AI, if they can survive this $134 million billion dollar loss. that that's a business question, but the AI industry as a whole is it's in its infancy. It's going to be massive. Okay. Talking about AI, open AI and the lawsuit. This is a um yeah, yeah, yeah, this I don't know, man. Are they so intertwined with the government that there's no way that this will get passed? Maybe. Maybe nobody cares and they'll just hand off and they'll be uh has been.

It's entirely possible. But this is what you're about to read is crazy. People are going the early discovery. Somebody basically took all the court documents, fed it into chat, GPT, and said, "Break it down." And down." And down." And so asking the product of Open AI to look back at itself and say, "Do we have a problem here?" problem here?" problem here?" And it came out as the documents are legitimately bad for Open AI. The Brockman notes are not ambiguous, spinnable, or normal startup bravado. They read like leadership wanted Musk out while still taking his money while avoiding being honest about their plans.

this was about and this were if this were about any other nonprofit turned company I say the same thing those internal writings create real litigation risk and serious reputational risk being open AAI model does not make those quotes look better they just look worse the more you sit with them so he has a $134 billion lawsuit right now against open AI and Microsoft which I feel like if they don't settle that might be they might start to feel that pressure I don't see how he doesn't have a case you go to him and say I want to make open for everyone AI.

You're largely driving the recruiting the ideology of the company, putting it all together. Uh but you're like, I don't want to spend my time on this. I want someone else to do it. do it. do it. But I'm trying to protect myself from one company or government or whatever running all of this because he got into a big argument with um the Google founder, not Sergey Brin, the other one whose name I'm blanking on for some reason. Um, anybody? Anybody? What's the other? You got Sergey Brin.

Ellison. Ellison. Ellison. Yeah, it's not Ellison. It is Paige. Paige. Paige. Paige. Larry Paige. Thank you. So, he gets into an argument with Larry Paige. And Larry Paige accuses Elon of being a specist, meaning you care more about humans than you care about artificial intelligence. And Elon is literally clutching his pearls, completely mortified to his core, and is like, "Yes, you got me. I want humans to win. I don't want artificial intelligence to win." And so on the back of that, he goes and is like, "Yo, we can't let Google control all this because I don't trust that guy." So, we've got to go do this startup.

So, he gets it all going. And then they realize, "Holy Jesus, this could be a multi-trillion dollar company. There's no way." I mean, his marketing message is we won't be able to fund it fund it fund it as a uh not for-p profofit. So, we've got to be able to make money, which by the way is a PSA to all entrepreneurs. For the love of God, create a self-sustaining economic engine. Stop with all this [ __ ] not forprofit [ __ ] when you're trying to actually build a product.

When [clears throat] you can't get people to pay for your product, it means your product's not that good. So being in the marketplace is a forcing function to do something people actually care about. Uh so anyway, I don't expect that to be popular, but nonetheless, um we're watching in real time what happens when you think, oh, I can just build this gargantuan thing that's going to cure cancer. whatever, but it's going to be a nonprofit doesn't work. Uh, so give it the market forcing function of having to make it something that people will actually pay for and all of a sudden you are able to fund it because it's self- sustaining.

Uh, so Elon I think has an argument which is I gave you I forget how much but he gave like somewhere between 30 and 50% of the startup capital. So he should be capturing I mean somewhere between 20 and 50% of the value of the company. So and he's not. So yeah, I mean I I think that that's going to go in his favor, but we'll see. This is terrible timing as they announced they're going to they're filing preliminary paperwork to go public this year um along with Claude as well.

So we'll see how this turns out. But a lot of times when you have to IPO, you got to clean up your books and a lawsuit is not good for those books. So it's also not good for the perception. But we'll see. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, we'll see. we'll see. we'll see. All right, we got some super chats. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Super chats. All right, super chat. super chat. super chat. First up from random guy. Um Tom, do you not think this could be part of a greater change meant to happen?

Greater control. Tim foil hat. Think 9/11 leading to the Patriot Act and this would lead to CBDC. How would you make people lose faith in cash because that is needed? is needed? is needed? Well, okay. So, if you're saying is all of this being weaponized? Yes. the government is eternally weaponizing every crisis against you to gain more control. Uh so that is for sure what's happening right now. What I'm trying to push back on, what I'm trying to get people to understand is you do have a moment of crisis.

That moment of crisis must be dealt with. The crisis is debt and inflation. You you are under so much debt, something dramatic is going to happen. History tells you that 75% of the time that we're in a moment like this, literally 12 out of 16 times, um you've had a declining superpower, a rising power, that you end up going to war and flipping the tables over and all hell breaks loose. Um, a any country, every country except one that makes it to 130% of debt to GDP, uh, Japan being the only exception, has fallen to internal revolution or civil war.

So, you're on a dual track. You're either going to collapse internally or you're going to go to war with China. Those are basically like the paths that you're on right now. Which is going to happen first? So yes, some grand table tipping is very likely to happen, but there is this narrow window where you can disarm this bomb. And I'm saying I would rather disarm the bomb by getting everybody to wake up and realize that you don't have to self-destruct where there's bloodshed everywhere. You can do what Raalio calls a beautiful deleveraging to avoid the 130% debt to GDP French Revolution style problem.

And over here you could be in the 25% where you realize, oh, we've got to be fiscally disciplined. We've got to be strong. We're going to carve the world up into spheres of influence. We're going to let go of being uh the sole person that um you know, unipolar a unipolar world order. We're going to let go of that. Uh so there are ways around this stuff and it just becomes a question of what's the energy surging through the populace and right now the energy surging through the populace is very much braaying for violence and um it's not my preferred method.

So I would very much like to see people back off. It doesn't seem likely right now given where everybody's going. Giving on the left you've got the rise of socialism which I just cannot believe. Uh people don't look at historically and go oh this has never worked and then go why because we want it to work. It sounds awesome. So let's find out the fundamental physics of why this never works. And you'll find it. There is an answer. Um I have detailed it in the past and I'm sure I will detail it many times in the future.

But it it is a knowable reason why it never works. Um and so it will not work this time either. Um but it's rising there. And then on the right obviously becoming uh increasingly authoritarian. So uh both sides lead to totally stomping on the throat of the populace. One does it because they said they're loving you so hard that some of you have to die. That's the left. Uh and then the other side says you're so unruly some of you have to die. And that's the right.

So either way some of you end up dying. Some of us end up dying. So yeah, no bueno. bueno. bueno. Cool. Four more to go. Next one from random guy again. Indicators would suggest that we are indeed cooked without hope of a roll back economically. Precious metals as one indicator. Could confiscation be possible again? Would numismatic silver currency be safer in theory? So confiscation is always possible because again we have historical precedent for it. So, we know humans are capable of convincing themselves that the right thing to do is to confiscate uh private property, which is wild.

Uh but has happened before. Uh California is already proposing uh that now. So, I had to have the talk this weekend with my wife about if this passes, we are out. So, that was a lot of fun. Florida is the is the is the number one. Drew, I don't want to put any too aggressive stakes in the ground because because I need the company to go. So, I need to look at like I hope it doesn't come to this. I don't want people panicking as people are um likely to do.

But yeah, this is this is sit down Lisa, where can she bear it to end up? This is figuring out where the team would be likely to go. You're never going to get everybody, but is there a place that people are more likely to go? So, anyway, we would look at all of that. I have not even begun that due diligence. So, yeah, don't want to plant any flags. People are are lobbying for different locations in the feed. Uh, so yeah. Okay. Where where were we?

Because we were middle of that statement. statement. statement. Sorry. Yeah, I derailed that. Precious metals as an conversation. So, uh, confiscation. Yes. All very real. Um, I the thing I keep coming down to is I don't know if we're going to be able to save society, but each of us can save ourselves. So, uh, if you need hope for me, I'm not worried at all about getting caught up in all of this. Uh, what because I will leave if I have to. I'm not worried about anybody watching this show because you guys will leave if you have to.

Um, what I'm worried about is the vast majority of people that just don't understand what's happening and so they're going to get caught off guard because they are in code arguing about the tea and they're not getting to the underlying mechanisms that have led us here and so they don't know what to do. And unfortunately uh 10% of people own 93% of the assets. So that already tells you who understands this 10% of people. that leaves 90% that are going to get just absolutely blindsided in terms of where to invest.

It's all a gamble. But there are things that have historically stood the test of time, but it all matters what price you buy them at. Uh so precious metals, yep, long-term does well. Um tends to hold wealth, but not if you buy at the peak and then things calm down and it drops down. You could have your money tied up there for decades before it gets back to where it was. But the odds that it um long-term remains a viable store of value is pretty high, but you've got to have like a multi-deade timeline if you're going to sink too much into precious metals.

Um stock market obviously has wild volatility, so be careful, but you have to be in assets. Have to be. Last one from random guy. By the way, thank you for what you do. No other rich guy is helping regular Joe's, so thanks. And I hope you don't get eaten either. I'm middle class and I promise to buy your game even if it sucks. I love you for that. You're real and random. Got it. He is real. He's real. So, uh, random guy, I am incredibly moved by that.

I will be telling my wife that quote. That is amazing and thank you. It's called Project Kaizen coming soon. Uh, 22 months in counting, boys and girls. 22 months and counting. Uh, so I appreciate that very, very much. And yes, so I'll remind people I was broke for a lot longer than I've been wealthy. So, uh, when I think about my identity, I think whatever is going on for you at the age of 12 is going to color your perception forever. And so, if when you're broke, you're angry and you feel like you're being held down and you've got like a [ __ ] you attitude, well, then if you get rich, you're going to maintain that attitude.

If when you're 12, you're um we weren't broke. My family was not broke, but we were lower middle class. And so I just was desperate to become rich, but it was always an optimistic thing. It was like, "Oh, any of us can become rich. We just have to work really [ __ ] hard, get really good. Cool. I'm here to play the game." And so that's my vibe. I want to see other people have a shot to win. Um, so yeah, I want I want 12-year-olds to feel the way that I felt when I was 12.

It was hopeful. It was optimistic. I could do anything. the world was a good and just place. How naive. But nonetheless, it felt awesome. Uh so yeah, let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Good stuff from Thirsty Soul. Yo, wait really fast. Yes. Yes. Yes. Josh 98 says, "Kaizen believer since late 2000, sorry, 2021." That is amazing. Thank you. Keep the faith. Very nice. Uh Tom, longtime listener, first- time chatter. Love the show. Have you seen the theory that Trump's PayPal mafia donors might be pushing for Greenland in order to set up charter cities after their failure to do so in Honduras?

Honduras? Honduras? So, Drew and I were having not this conversation, but a similar conversation before we went live. And I would say don't confuse what's driving it for what is likely to happen if it happens. So, no, I don't think that's driving it at all. I think that that's one of those things where people go, "Hey, and you know what would be an added bonus? if we did it, we could also do this. Um, so those things I think are it's just which came first. And on this, I really do think that Trump has uh big fears about China, Russia.

He sees the relationship with Europe already fracturing. He is an egoomaniac who wants control. And he presses the advantage. And I'm sure there's more oil resources, all of that. Uh I also think he wants Canada as the 51st or maybe 52nd state if we get Greenland to make that the 51st state. So it's like all of that stuff is uh real. So those are the things that I think are driving Trump. And then if on top of that your donors are like, "Oo, yeah, I love it.

Uh it's going to be good for and then insert thing rare earth minerals. Uh and we want that contract or whatever." Yep. All that stuff is also real. And uh if we let's say that we amicably buy Greenland from uh Denmark and Denmark's like, "We're cool." And the people of Greenland are like, "Damn, we're rich. This is [ __ ] awesome." Everybody's happy. You still need to be on watch for corruption because who gets the contracts to do the thing, right? Um is that a process that's good for America, good for Greenland, or is it crony capitalism?

So, you're going to have to watch all that stuff. Um but yeah, I don't think people should um assume that the inevitable amount of fraud, waste, and abuse that will come out of this was the driving reason to do it when there's a way more obvious thing, which is that America wants to bully the entire [ __ ] world. And it becomes way easier to do if you've got all the resources, the strategic positioning, and it's just yours. It's ours. Um, and by the way, controlling that shipping lane, [snorts] that's going to be important.

So, there's enough just blatant obvious reasons to do it. We don't have to go to the other stuff that will probably also happen uh as the driving force. Last one from R.J. Johnson. Autumn Lynn wants you to interview Donald Hoffman again because he's had a recent breakthrough in the past few months where he's solved the problem of where consciousness originates. His 40-year search is over. Whoa, interesting. That's a bold claim. Uh, I would sit down with Donald Hoffman. I enjoy my time with him. Um, I can't get mathematicians to validate his ideas.

That's the only thing that makes me sad. Um, but I do love my time with Donald Hoffman. So, I would certainly do that. I don't know if it does it fit the channel anymore, Drew. [snorts] That was tough. Maybe you could future tech it. You were right about the sex thing. So, I I I I had to eat my humble pie about that one. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, maybe call him for a live or something when they've realized that three Atlas. three Atlas. three Atlas. Oo, that's not a bad idea.

You said that's not a good idea. No, it's not a bad idea. Like bring him here for the lives. Conspiracy corner, huh? Tell us why we're uh in a simulation. That's interesting. I could see that. see that. I could see that. So, So, So, we got one last super chat came through from Leblon. Has have a beautiful and wonderful day, everyone. Oh, thanks, Leblon. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Very appreciated. Um, all right. We got all the super chats. Y big week. What we got looking forward to this week?

Oh, Oh, Oh, Davos WF uh Trump speech uh Brian Armstrong crypto update is supposed to be coming this week. Um that was the biggest thing on my radar. Davos, man. Hear the Darth Vader theme song when you think about the World Economic Forum and all that stuff. So, stuff. So, stuff. So, own nothing and be happy. Those guys, they're meeting this week. By the way, can I just say for a second, watch One Piece. Maybe wait until wait until because uh Netflix is redoing it. So, everybody says One Piece has a problem with pacing.

I get that. Yeah. So, I'm into it, but it does every now and then have some issues, but they're redoing it. I highly encourage people to watch it. his whole thing. Remember he started this in like 99 and it's all about pirates going up against the one world government and seeing how they say [ __ ] like we're fighting for you against illegal pirates and but yet behind the scenes they're super [ __ ] evil and every now and then get caught on hot mics saying the most outrageous [ __ ] and it's like damn the Marines are like W in [ __ ] real life.

It's wild. So anyway, it is very much a kid show. You have to orient to it. You have to meet it on its own terms. I'm trying to get people into the show. Not that it isn't already one of the biggest pieces of IP on planet Earth, but it is uh it has an unhinged enjoyable quality and really captures the spirit of chasing a dream even when the dream makes you the outcast and going up against insurmountable odds all while trying to be the best. I really hope they don't let me down and the punch line becomes something horrific.

But so far, I'm like, this is pretty dope. So, uh, anyway, check it out. It's worth it. worth it. worth it. Cool. All right, guys. That's all I got. All right, everybody. Happy Martin Luther King Day. I hope you guys are having a wonderful day no matter where you are in the world. Sending you guys all love and we will see you on Wednesday. Till then, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.