This Simple Rep Technique Doubles Your Results | Mind Pump 2791

Do you want to make your reps two to Do you want to make your reps two to three times more effective? You can do three times more effective? You can do three times more effective? You can do that if you focus on a few things. The that if you focus on a few things. The that if you focus on a few things. The stretch, pausing, and squeezing. We're stretch, pausing, and squeezing. We're stretch, pausing, and squeezing. We're going to talk about how to make your going to talk about how to make your going to talk about how to make your reps far more effective. Don't change reps far more effective. Don't change reps far more effective. Don't change your workout, change your reps. Watch your workout, change your reps. Watch your workout, change your reps. Watch what happens. what happens. what happens. >> Let's get into it. >> Let's get into it. >> Let's get into it. >> Well, this is your training right now. >> Well, this is your training right now. >> Well, this is your training right now. >> This is why >> This is why >> This is why >> Yeah, I feel like that's what you've >> Yeah, I feel like that's what you've >> Yeah, I feel like that's what you've been focusing on right now. Well, what I been focusing on right now. Well, what I been focusing on right now. Well, what I we talked in a previous episode about we talked in a previous episode about we talked in a previous episode about rep ranges and how you can change that. rep ranges and how you can change that. rep ranges and how you can change that. And my me my my headsp space has been And my me my my headsp space has been And my me my my headsp space has been around simple tweaks to your program around simple tweaks to your program around simple tweaks to your program that can uh produce a nice change. that can uh produce a nice change. that can uh produce a nice change. >> Cuz you know, programming can be complex >> Cuz you know, programming can be complex >> Cuz you know, programming can be complex and we can go into like completely and we can go into like completely and we can go into like completely changing your program, but there's so changing your program, but there's so changing your program, but there's so many moving parts. many moving parts. many moving parts. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And often times it's like one little >> And often times it's like one little >> And often times it's like one little change, you know, like like how many change, you know, like like how many change, you know, like like how many reps you do. We talked about that in one reps you do. We talked about that in one reps you do. We talked about that in one of our previous episodes. how you do of our previous episodes. how you do of our previous episodes. how you do your reps. That's another thing you can your reps. That's another thing you can your reps. That's another thing you can change that'll have a big impact. change that'll have a big impact. change that'll have a big impact. >> Yeah. I also think that my point of >> Yeah. I also think that my point of >> Yeah. I also think that my point of bringing that up that this is you right bringing that up that this is you right bringing that up that this is you right now is that you're you're probably near now is that you're you're probably near now is that you're you're probably near peak strength in a lot of your lifts peak strength in a lot of your lifts peak strength in a lot of your lifts right now. And I'm sure that you know right now. And I'm sure that you know right now. And I'm sure that you know that the risk versus reward of just that the risk versus reward of just that the risk versus reward of just adding more adding more adding more >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> weight is not a good idea. Yes. >> weight is not a good idea. Yes. >> weight is not a good idea. Yes. >> So moving in this direction where you >> So moving in this direction where you >> So moving in this direction where you really focus on the pause, the squeeze, really focus on the pause, the squeeze, really focus on the pause, the squeeze, the stretch the stretch the stretch >> um to just new stimulus u without >> um to just new stimulus u without >> um to just new stimulus u without >> that's a big one is is risk factor right >> that's a big one is is risk factor right >> that's a big one is is risk factor right like in earlier on when you're really like in earlier on when you're really like in earlier on when you're really trying to build develop this like trying to build develop this like trying to build develop this like foundation of strength. That's where, foundation of strength. That's where, foundation of strength. That's where, you know, it it plays a big factor of you know, it it plays a big factor of you know, it it plays a big factor of like going for those bigger, riskier, like going for those bigger, riskier, like going for those bigger, riskier, um, you know, adding a lot of load and um, you know, adding a lot of load and um, you know, adding a lot of load and getting strong and hitting that max getting strong and hitting that max getting strong and hitting that max capacity where, you know, as you age, capacity where, you know, as you age, capacity where, you know, as you age, it's really starting to kind of hit it's really starting to kind of hit it's really starting to kind of hit differently. differently. differently. >> Yeah. Oh, good point. No, I see what >> Yeah. Oh, good point. No, I see what >> Yeah. Oh, good point. No, I see what you're saying, Adam. Uh, and yeah, you're saying, Adam. Uh, and yeah, you're saying, Adam. Uh, and yeah, Justin, um, that's 100% true. The other Justin, um, that's 100% true. The other Justin, um, that's 100% true. The other thing, too, is uh, at some point the, thing, too, is uh, at some point the, thing, too, is uh, at some point the, uh, benefits you get from getting uh, benefits you get from getting uh, benefits you get from getting stronger, um, you get diminishing stronger, um, you get diminishing stronger, um, you get diminishing returns. So, when you first get started, returns. So, when you first get started, returns. So, when you first get started, if you're really consistent, okay, if you're really consistent, okay, if you're really consistent, okay, everything's dialed in. For the first everything's dialed in. For the first everything's dialed in. For the first two or three years, just get stronger. two or three years, just get stronger. two or three years, just get stronger. That's going to give you the best gains. That's going to give you the best gains. That's going to give you the best gains. Period. End of story. Like, Period. End of story. Like, Period. End of story. Like, >> if you're doing your strength training, >> if you're doing your strength training, >> if you're doing your strength training, your goal is to get stronger. Now, of your goal is to get stronger. Now, of your goal is to get stronger. Now, of course, you change exercises, good course, you change exercises, good course, you change exercises, good technique, all that stuff. Don't technique, all that stuff. Don't technique, all that stuff. Don't compromise your form. compromise your form. compromise your form. >> But for the first few years, that's it. >> But for the first few years, that's it. >> But for the first few years, that's it. That's all you got to focus on. After That's all you got to focus on. After That's all you got to focus on. After that, you start to get diminishing that, you start to get diminishing that, you start to get diminishing returns to where, you know, if I added returns to where, you know, if I added returns to where, you know, if I added 30 pounds to my max squat right now, I 30 pounds to my max squat right now, I 30 pounds to my max squat right now, I probably wouldn't see that big of a probably wouldn't see that big of a probably wouldn't see that big of a difference on my body, but my re my my difference on my body, but my re my my difference on my body, but my re my my risk of injury went through the roof. risk of injury went through the roof. risk of injury went through the roof. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Whereas, you take someone who's only >> Whereas, you take someone who's only >> Whereas, you take someone who's only been lifting for a year and you add 30 been lifting for a year and you add 30 been lifting for a year and you add 30 pounds to the squat and it's like big pounds to the squat and it's like big pounds to the squat and it's like big changes to their body. changes to their body. changes to their body. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And this is just the stronger you get, >> And this is just the stronger you get, >> And this is just the stronger you get, the more true this is. Um, and so this the more true this is. Um, and so this the more true this is. Um, and so this becomes more important. Now, that's not becomes more important. Now, that's not becomes more important. Now, that's not to say this isn't important. what we're to say this isn't important. what we're to say this isn't important. what we're going to talk about isn't important for going to talk about isn't important for going to talk about isn't important for somebody also just trying to get strong. somebody also just trying to get strong. somebody also just trying to get strong. Like this is this is key information to Like this is this is key information to Like this is this is key information to understand with your strength training understand with your strength training understand with your strength training because the stretch part of a rep, because the stretch part of a rep, because the stretch part of a rep, pausing your reps, the squeeze part of pausing your reps, the squeeze part of pausing your reps, the squeeze part of your rep all have uh their own value. your rep all have uh their own value. your rep all have uh their own value. And before we get into them, it is And before we get into them, it is And before we get into them, it is important to understand full range of important to understand full range of important to understand full range of motion king. Okay? And your muscles will motion king. Okay? And your muscles will motion king. Okay? And your muscles will get strong largely in the range of get strong largely in the range of get strong largely in the range of ranges of motion you train them in. Mhm. ranges of motion you train them in. Mhm. ranges of motion you train them in. Mhm. >> So, this is very important to understand >> So, this is very important to understand >> So, this is very important to understand because as we go through these, we'll because as we go through these, we'll because as we go through these, we'll talk about portions of the rep that the talk about portions of the rep that the talk about portions of the rep that the data shows builds more muscle, but if data shows builds more muscle, but if data shows builds more muscle, but if you stay there, you start to develop you stay there, you start to develop you stay there, you start to develop really bad movement patterns. You start really bad movement patterns. You start really bad movement patterns. You start to develop dysfunction. And you see this to develop dysfunction. And you see this to develop dysfunction. And you see this often times with bodybuilders where often times with bodybuilders where often times with bodybuilders where bodybuilders get so focused on bodybuilders get so focused on bodybuilders get so focused on hypertrophy hypertrophy hypertrophy that they they really don't consider that they they really don't consider that they they really don't consider function. and their ranges of motion end function. and their ranges of motion end function. and their ranges of motion end up being short cuz they focus on the up being short cuz they focus on the up being short cuz they focus on the part of the rep that tends to build the part of the rep that tends to build the part of the rep that tends to build the most. But then this causes problems with most. But then this causes problems with most. But then this causes problems with their bodies and the way they move. And their bodies and the way they move. And their bodies and the way they move. And we've seen this uh before. We've seen we've seen this uh before. We've seen we've seen this uh before. We've seen this with some of the models that we've this with some of the models that we've this with some of the models that we've had shoot uh for some of our programs had shoot uh for some of our programs had shoot uh for some of our programs where they couldn't hold a rep at where they couldn't hold a rep at where they couldn't hold a rep at lockout because they never train. lockout because they never train. lockout because they never train. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> At lockout. Um, and so you start to >> At lockout. Um, and so you start to >> At lockout. Um, and so you start to create this really big disparity with create this really big disparity with create this really big disparity with how your strength curve looks because how your strength curve looks because how your strength curve looks because again, you know, there's definitely again, you know, there's definitely again, you know, there's definitely carryover outside of the range of motion carryover outside of the range of motion carryover outside of the range of motion you train, but it's mostly in that range you train, but it's mostly in that range you train, but it's mostly in that range of motion. If you don't train the full of motion. If you don't train the full of motion. If you don't train the full range of motion, you'll get really range of motion, you'll get really range of motion, you'll get really strong here and then you'll get the strong here and then you'll get the strong here and then you'll get the disparity between that and the range of disparity between that and the range of disparity between that and the range of motion you don't train becomes so large motion you don't train becomes so large motion you don't train becomes so large risk of injury goes through the roof. risk of injury goes through the roof. risk of injury goes through the roof. Little bit of a sidebar, but there's Little bit of a sidebar, but there's Little bit of a sidebar, but there's been like a couple studies just recently been like a couple studies just recently been like a couple studies just recently have come out about a quarter squat, have come out about a quarter squat, have come out about a quarter squat, half squat, and full squat for athletes. half squat, and full squat for athletes. half squat, and full squat for athletes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Which is interesting, but it's it does >> Which is interesting, but it's it does >> Which is interesting, but it's it does make a lot of sense deliberately make a lot of sense deliberately make a lot of sense deliberately targeting where, targeting where, targeting where, >> you know, obviously you're going to >> you know, obviously you're going to >> you know, obviously you're going to generate the most force. And so there's generate the most force. And so there's generate the most force. And so there's there's a little not just bodybuilding. there's a little not just bodybuilding. there's a little not just bodybuilding. There is that in the performance world There is that in the performance world There is that in the performance world as well. Only reason I bring that up. as well. Only reason I bring that up. as well. Only reason I bring that up. No, that that's I mean we we talked No, that that's I mean we we talked No, that that's I mean we we talked about this way back when uh you know the about this way back when uh you know the about this way back when uh you know the clip of LeBron James went viral. clip of LeBron James went viral. clip of LeBron James went viral. >> Yeah. Everybody's like that's not a full >> Yeah. Everybody's like that's not a full >> Yeah. Everybody's like that's not a full squad. squad. squad. >> Yeah. And it's like it doesn't serve him >> Yeah. And it's like it doesn't serve him >> Yeah. And it's like it doesn't serve him uh to do that. Interesting you brought uh to do that. Interesting you brought uh to do that. Interesting you brought up the bodybuilders for the negative up the bodybuilders for the negative up the bodybuilders for the negative reasons because I was going to as you reasons because I was going to as you reasons because I was going to as you were going through this give them their were going through this give them their were going through this give them their flowers for I think bodybuilders are flowers for I think bodybuilders are flowers for I think bodybuilders are some of the ones that do this the best. some of the ones that do this the best. some of the ones that do this the best. >> The smart ones. The ones that have >> The smart ones. The ones that have >> The smart ones. The ones that have longevity do. You're right. Yeah. longevity do. You're right. Yeah. longevity do. You're right. Yeah. >> Like Dexter J. You ever watch him lift? >> Like Dexter J. You ever watch him lift? >> Like Dexter J. You ever watch him lift? It's like full range of motion. It's like full range of motion. It's like full range of motion. >> Yeah. and and they and and also take >> Yeah. and and they and and also take >> Yeah. and and they and and also take advantage of all this, right? Like uh advantage of all this, right? Like uh advantage of all this, right? Like uh you know, you know, you know, >> I lifted this way in the early part of >> I lifted this way in the early part of >> I lifted this way in the early part of my career where I just I never cared my career where I just I never cared my career where I just I never cared about about about >> really trying to get that much stronger. >> really trying to get that much stronger. >> really trying to get that much stronger. It was always about form, technique, It was always about form, technique, It was always about form, technique, manipulating all these different things manipulating all these different things manipulating all these different things at the stretch and at the pause and like at the stretch and at the pause and like at the stretch and at the pause and like tempo and tempo and tempo and >> and so and that got me pretty far. Um >> and so and that got me pretty far. Um >> and so and that got me pretty far. Um although the the the the negative to although the the the the negative to although the the the the negative to that was and I and I I've shared this that was and I and I I've shared this that was and I and I I've shared this before that because I wasn't focused on before that because I wasn't focused on before that because I wasn't focused on strength, I left a lot of gains on the strength, I left a lot of gains on the strength, I left a lot of gains on the table. I mean I didn't get those until table. I mean I didn't get those until table. I mean I didn't get those until later on. Whereas if I could go back and later on. Whereas if I could go back and later on. Whereas if I could go back and do it all over again, I would have laid do it all over again, I would have laid do it all over again, I would have laid the foundation for the first couple the foundation for the first couple the foundation for the first couple years of like really pursuing strength. years of like really pursuing strength. years of like really pursuing strength. Then once I started to get pretty Then once I started to get pretty Then once I started to get pretty strong, then I probably would have strong, then I probably would have strong, then I probably would have switched to like all bodybuilder type of switched to like all bodybuilder type of switched to like all bodybuilder type of training. And I think that would have training. And I think that would have training. And I think that would have served me versus I was a I was the served me versus I was a I was the served me versus I was a I was the reverse reverse reverse >> because I I I would say I thought I was >> because I I I would say I thought I was >> because I I I would say I thought I was a bodybuilder, but I thought that type a bodybuilder, but I thought that type a bodybuilder, but I thought that type of training is like was more what I was of training is like was more what I was of training is like was more what I was chasing was aesthetics. chasing was aesthetics. chasing was aesthetics. >> So I trained this way all the time where >> So I trained this way all the time where >> So I trained this way all the time where I never trained like a power lifter or I never trained like a power lifter or I never trained like a power lifter or strongman and and neglected the low rep strongman and and neglected the low rep strongman and and neglected the low rep ranges and hitting PRs and going that ranges and hitting PRs and going that ranges and hitting PRs and going that direction. It was always just like oh direction. It was always just like oh direction. It was always just like oh the stretch, the pause, the pump, like the stretch, the pause, the pump, like the stretch, the pause, the pump, like that direction. So there's obviously that direction. So there's obviously that direction. So there's obviously benefits to both. And I think the best benefits to both. And I think the best benefits to both. And I think the best bodybuilders or the best lifters in bodybuilders or the best lifters in bodybuilders or the best lifters in general are the ones that learn to general are the ones that learn to general are the ones that learn to integrate both of those and balance and integrate both of those and balance and integrate both of those and balance and never never never >> fall in love with just one because I >> fall in love with just one because I >> fall in love with just one because I think that's where you lose out is when think that's where you lose out is when think that's where you lose out is when you identify with one way of training you identify with one way of training you identify with one way of training which I think a lot of us if not all of which I think a lot of us if not all of which I think a lot of us if not all of us are kind of guilty of that course us are kind of guilty of that course us are kind of guilty of that course right right right >> of course you like something so much >> of course you like something so much >> of course you like something so much that's what you do all the time. that's what you do all the time. that's what you do all the time. >> By the way back to the athlete thing I >> By the way back to the athlete thing I >> By the way back to the athlete thing I got to say this before people get got to say this before people get got to say this before people get confused. uh the more elite and advanced confused. uh the more elite and advanced confused. uh the more elite and advanced an athlete becomes uh as they age and as an athlete becomes uh as they age and as an athlete becomes uh as they age and as they continue on their sport, the more they continue on their sport, the more they continue on their sport, the more specialized uh their training becomes to specialized uh their training becomes to specialized uh their training becomes to continue to improve their performance. continue to improve their performance. continue to improve their performance. In other words, a young athlete should In other words, a young athlete should In other words, a young athlete should do full range of motion exercises. do full range of motion exercises. do full range of motion exercises. They'll get better performance in their They'll get better performance in their They'll get better performance in their sport with full range of motion. Once sport with full range of motion. Once sport with full range of motion. Once they get to college and then the NBA, they get to college and then the NBA, they get to college and then the NBA, then it starts to get much more then it starts to get much more then it starts to get much more specific. And this is true for all their specific. And this is true for all their specific. And this is true for all their training. Yeah. training. Yeah. training. Yeah. >> The data shows you take a kid, >> The data shows you take a kid, >> The data shows you take a kid, >> the risk factor. >> the risk factor. >> the risk factor. >> Yeah. And it's also just overall uh >> Yeah. And it's also just overall uh >> Yeah. And it's also just overall uh mechanics and motor control and mechanics and motor control and mechanics and motor control and development like development like development like >> specialization. >> specialization. >> specialization. >> You look at if you took a kid who was >> You look at if you took a kid who was >> You look at if you took a kid who was gifted at soccer, let's say you had an gifted at soccer, let's say you had an gifted at soccer, let's say you had an 8-year-old that you had coaches come up 8-year-old that you had coaches come up 8-year-old that you had coaches come up to you and go, "Oh my god, that your kid to you and go, "Oh my god, that your kid to you and go, "Oh my god, that your kid is gifted." The worst thing you could do is gifted." The worst thing you could do is gifted." The worst thing you could do is have your kid only play soccer from is have your kid only play soccer from is have your kid only play soccer from then on. The data actually shows that if then on. The data actually shows that if then on. The data actually shows that if that kid plays soccer, basketball, uh that kid plays soccer, basketball, uh that kid plays soccer, basketball, uh track, gymnastics, and then later track, gymnastics, and then later track, gymnastics, and then later specializes, he'll be better at soccer specializes, he'll be better at soccer specializes, he'll be better at soccer than if he only had played soccer early than if he only had played soccer early than if he only had played soccer early on. And this is true with strength on. And this is true with strength on. And this is true with strength training more variables and is able to training more variables and is able to training more variables and is able to overcome them. overcome them. overcome them. >> That's right. So, if you gave me LeBron >> That's right. So, if you gave me LeBron >> That's right. So, if you gave me LeBron James as a, you know, seventh grader, James as a, you know, seventh grader, James as a, you know, seventh grader, we're doing full range of motion we're doing full range of motion we're doing full range of motion exercises. LeBron James MBA. Yeah. exercises. LeBron James MBA. Yeah. exercises. LeBron James MBA. Yeah. Partial squats. So, that's just so that Partial squats. So, that's just so that Partial squats. So, that's just so that people understand that it's very good people understand that it's very good people understand that it's very good point. point. point. >> Okay. So, let's get to stretch first. >> Okay. So, let's get to stretch first. >> Okay. So, let's get to stretch first. So, when you're doing a rep, the stretch So, when you're doing a rep, the stretch So, when you're doing a rep, the stretch portion of the rep is typically the portion of the rep is typically the portion of the rep is typically the bottom. And a good way to um explain bottom. And a good way to um explain bottom. And a good way to um explain this, an easy exercise would be like a this, an easy exercise would be like a this, an easy exercise would be like a fly. If I'm doing a chest fly, when I'm fly. If I'm doing a chest fly, when I'm fly. If I'm doing a chest fly, when I'm at the bottom is when I'm getting the at the bottom is when I'm getting the at the bottom is when I'm getting the stretch in the chest. And there's a lot stretch in the chest. And there's a lot stretch in the chest. And there's a lot of different ways to stretch different of different ways to stretch different of different ways to stretch different muscle groups. And some exercises are muscle groups. And some exercises are muscle groups. And some exercises are better at this than others. Here's what better at this than others. Here's what better at this than others. Here's what the data shows. When you compare the data shows. When you compare the data shows. When you compare different rep ranges, the stretch different rep ranges, the stretch different rep ranges, the stretch portion produces double to triple the portion produces double to triple the portion produces double to triple the hypertrophy. hypertrophy. hypertrophy. So, of the entire range of motion, the So, of the entire range of motion, the So, of the entire range of motion, the stretch portion builds the most muscle. stretch portion builds the most muscle. stretch portion builds the most muscle. >> Okay. Now, this is good to know because >> Okay. Now, this is good to know because >> Okay. Now, this is good to know because a lot of people when they're in the gym, a lot of people when they're in the gym, a lot of people when they're in the gym, they stay away from the stretch or they stay away from the stretch or they stay away from the stretch or bottom position because it it means they bottom position because it it means they bottom position because it it means they can't lift as much. can't lift as much. can't lift as much. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you're doing a a squat, you're not >> So, you're doing a a squat, you're not >> So, you're doing a a squat, you're not going all the way down. You're you're going all the way down. You're you're going all the way down. You're you're you're doing a fly. you're kind of you're doing a fly. you're kind of you're doing a fly. you're kind of cutting it short because you just can't cutting it short because you just can't cutting it short because you just can't use as much weight, but you're actually use as much weight, but you're actually use as much weight, but you're actually leaving gains on the table. The stretch leaving gains on the table. The stretch leaving gains on the table. The stretch is the best part for building muscle of is the best part for building muscle of is the best part for building muscle of all of the ranges of motion. all of the ranges of motion. all of the ranges of motion. >> Well, is that kind of because people >> Well, is that kind of because people >> Well, is that kind of because people avoid uh that full range where they get avoid uh that full range where they get avoid uh that full range where they get that statistic, you know, where where that statistic, you know, where where that statistic, you know, where where they're getting, you know, in excess they're getting, you know, in excess they're getting, you know, in excess that much more. that much more. that much more. >> No, the studies are actually pretty good >> No, the studies are actually pretty good >> No, the studies are actually pretty good >> from beginners from start. They take >> from beginners from start. They take >> from beginners from start. They take well they take uh people who already well they take uh people who already well they take uh people who already lift and then they take them and they lift and then they take them and they lift and then they take them and they say we're only doing the stretch part say we're only doing the stretch part say we're only doing the stretch part >> and then you're doing full range of >> and then you're doing full range of >> and then you're doing full range of motion and the stretch part actually in motion and the stretch part actually in motion and the stretch part actually in the studies if they just focus on that the studies if they just focus on that the studies if they just focus on that slightly outperforms even full range of slightly outperforms even full range of slightly outperforms even full range of motion. Now, their studies are obviously motion. Now, their studies are obviously motion. Now, their studies are obviously 12 week, 16 week. And I'm gonna tell you 12 week, 16 week. And I'm gonna tell you 12 week, 16 week. And I'm gonna tell you this right now. If you only ever focus this right now. If you only ever focus this right now. If you only ever focus on the stretch part, like if you cut on the stretch part, like if you cut on the stretch part, like if you cut your rep short just to do the stretch your rep short just to do the stretch your rep short just to do the stretch part, you're going to hurt yourself. part, you're going to hurt yourself. part, you're going to hurt yourself. It's you're going to really develop It's you're going to really develop It's you're going to really develop terrible movement patterns. You're going terrible movement patterns. You're going terrible movement patterns. You're going to have poor poor function. And that to have poor poor function. And that to have poor poor function. And that will eventually get in the way of you uh will eventually get in the way of you uh will eventually get in the way of you uh getting a better getting a better getting a better >> I imagine too the eccentric uh emphasis >> I imagine too the eccentric uh emphasis >> I imagine too the eccentric uh emphasis on that plays a factor because we all on that plays a factor because we all on that plays a factor because we all know that that you know the negative know that that you know the negative know that that you know the negative portion and controlling that portion and controlling that portion and controlling that deceleration really is what you know deceleration really is what you know deceleration really is what you know tears up the muscle. tears up the muscle. tears up the muscle. >> There's something about stretch under >> There's something about stretch under >> There's something about stretch under load uh that by itself also sends a load uh that by itself also sends a load uh that by itself also sends a muscle building signal. And there's muscle building signal. And there's muscle building signal. And there's animal studies on this. Human studies animal studies on this. Human studies animal studies on this. Human studies tend to point to this where if you're in tend to point to this where if you're in tend to point to this where if you're in a deep static stretch under load, uh a deep static stretch under load, uh a deep static stretch under load, uh there's something special about it in there's something special about it in there's something special about it in terms of building muscle. So that's the terms of building muscle. So that's the terms of building muscle. So that's the important part of the stretch part. So important part of the stretch part. So important part of the stretch part. So if you're avoiding that, uh don't by the if you're avoiding that, uh don't by the if you're avoiding that, uh don't by the way little caveat, you have to have good way little caveat, you have to have good way little caveat, you have to have good control and stability before you play control and stability before you play control and stability before you play with this cuz some people don't have the with this cuz some people don't have the with this cuz some people don't have the stability. Then they'll get in the stability. Then they'll get in the stability. Then they'll get in the strength and they'll hurt themselves. strength and they'll hurt themselves. strength and they'll hurt themselves. Yep. We also have a new bundle and it's Yep. We also have a new bundle and it's Yep. We also have a new bundle and it's 50% off. It's called the coup's bundle. 50% off. It's called the coup's bundle. 50% off. It's called the coup's bundle. 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So, go lighter to kind of play with this So, go lighter to kind of play with this So, go lighter to kind of play with this uh part of the uh part of the uh part of the >> Well, I shared my journey on here years >> Well, I shared my journey on here years >> Well, I shared my journey on here years ago when I after working on my mo my ago when I after working on my mo my ago when I after working on my mo my mobility in particular, my ankle and hip mobility in particular, my ankle and hip mobility in particular, my ankle and hip mobility to get a deep squat and I had mobility to get a deep squat and I had mobility to get a deep squat and I had to reduce the weight like dramatically. to reduce the weight like dramatically. to reduce the weight like dramatically. But I remember long before I had caught But I remember long before I had caught But I remember long before I had caught up to my max weight of short squats or up to my max weight of short squats or up to my max weight of short squats or you know a little bit I was I was you know a little bit I was I was you know a little bit I was I was probably just around parallel a little probably just around parallel a little probably just around parallel a little bit deeper than parallel when I first bit deeper than parallel when I first bit deeper than parallel when I first started. started. started. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> I before I even got back up to that >> I before I even got back up to that >> I before I even got back up to that weight I had gained significant size on weight I had gained significant size on weight I had gained significant size on my legs in comparison. And so doing a my legs in comparison. And so doing a my legs in comparison. And so doing a lighter weight in that deep full range lighter weight in that deep full range lighter weight in that deep full range of motion in that stretch position of motion in that stretch position of motion in that stretch position definitely I mean you can see the definitely I mean you can see the definitely I mean you can see the difference and you're compare I'm difference and you're compare I'm difference and you're compare I'm comparing a a a time of where I was comparing a a a time of where I was comparing a a a time of where I was lifting for years a certain way and then lifting for years a certain way and then lifting for years a certain way and then it's just a short period of time it's just a short period of time it's just a short period of time >> of lifting in that full range of motion >> of lifting in that full range of motion >> of lifting in that full range of motion surpassed all those years of training in surpassed all those years of training in surpassed all those years of training in the shorten range. So the shorten range. So the shorten range. So >> yeah um this is especi like this is such >> yeah um this is especi like this is such >> yeah um this is especi like this is such a good tip for people working their a good tip for people working their a good tip for people working their lats. There's a lot of exercise that lats. There's a lot of exercise that lats. There's a lot of exercise that allow you to just really stretch the allow you to just really stretch the allow you to just really stretch the lats. Even your arms, uh, like triceps, lats. Even your arms, uh, like triceps, lats. Even your arms, uh, like triceps, for example, overhead tricep extensions, for example, overhead tricep extensions, for example, overhead tricep extensions, uh, seem to be really good at building uh, seem to be really good at building uh, seem to be really good at building the triceps because you're stretching the triceps because you're stretching the triceps because you're stretching the triceps. Incline curls seem to be the triceps. Incline curls seem to be the triceps. Incline curls seem to be really good at building the biceps really good at building the biceps really good at building the biceps because they're in a stretch position. because they're in a stretch position. because they're in a stretch position. Um, so the takeaway with this is don't Um, so the takeaway with this is don't Um, so the takeaway with this is don't avoid the stretch part of a of a rep and avoid the stretch part of a of a rep and avoid the stretch part of a of a rep and make sure you include exercises that are make sure you include exercises that are make sure you include exercises that are good for this. And if you follow a MAPS good for this. And if you follow a MAPS good for this. And if you follow a MAPS program, um, unless it's a sports program, um, unless it's a sports program, um, unless it's a sports specific kind of MAPS program or specific kind of MAPS program or specific kind of MAPS program or whatever, what you'll find in our whatever, what you'll find in our whatever, what you'll find in our programming is there's almost always a programming is there's almost always a programming is there's almost always a lift that that that is really good for lift that that that is really good for lift that that that is really good for the stretch in the body part. the stretch in the body part. the stretch in the body part. >> You can only do two exercises for your >> You can only do two exercises for your >> You can only do two exercises for your triceps for the rest of your life. What triceps for the rest of your life. What triceps for the rest of your life. What are the two? are the two? are the two? >> Overhead tricep extension uh, and dips. >> Overhead tricep extension uh, and dips. >> Overhead tricep extension uh, and dips. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> two. That's it. >> two. That's it. >> two. That's it. >> I was going to say close grip bench >> I was going to say close grip bench >> I was going to say close grip bench press. Close grip bench press or press. Close grip bench press or press. Close grip bench press or overhead extension. Done. You agree? overhead extension. Done. You agree? overhead extension. Done. You agree? >> Yeah. I like those. trying to think of >> Yeah. I like those. trying to think of >> Yeah. I like those. trying to think of anything else, but you guys get you only anything else, but you guys get you only anything else, but you guys get you only get two for the rest of your life. get two for the rest of your life. get two for the rest of your life. >> Those for sure% deep dips. My favorite >> Those for sure% deep dips. My favorite >> Those for sure% deep dips. My favorite >> 100%. All right. Now, let's talk about >> 100%. All right. Now, let's talk about >> 100%. All right. Now, let's talk about the squeeze part of a rep. So, the the squeeze part of a rep. So, the the squeeze part of a rep. So, the squeeze is like when you're fully squeeze is like when you're fully squeeze is like when you're fully extended and you're contracting the extended and you're contracting the extended and you're contracting the muscle. Uh here's what that's good for. muscle. Uh here's what that's good for. muscle. Uh here's what that's good for. You come to me and tell me you have You come to me and tell me you have You come to me and tell me you have trouble feeling a muscle. trouble feeling a muscle. trouble feeling a muscle. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We're going to focus on the squeeze. >> We're going to focus on the squeeze. >> We're going to focus on the squeeze. >> Mhm. It's hard to feel a muscle really >> Mhm. It's hard to feel a muscle really >> Mhm. It's hard to feel a muscle really contract in the stretch position or contract in the stretch position or contract in the stretch position or mid-range. If you have poor connection, mid-range. If you have poor connection, mid-range. If you have poor connection, like your glutes or your quads or your like your glutes or your quads or your like your glutes or your quads or your chest or your back, I'm going to have chest or your back, I'm going to have chest or your back, I'm going to have you hold the squeeze and you will feel you hold the squeeze and you will feel you hold the squeeze and you will feel the muscle in the squeeze. Um, so that's the muscle in the squeeze. Um, so that's the muscle in the squeeze. Um, so that's that's the benefit right there. Don't that's the benefit right there. Don't that's the benefit right there. Don't avoid that. Especially for body parts avoid that. Especially for body parts avoid that. Especially for body parts where you're like, I don't feel my where you're like, I don't feel my where you're like, I don't feel my chest. I don't feel my back. I don't chest. I don't feel my back. I don't chest. I don't feel my back. I don't feel this muscle when I do these feel this muscle when I do these feel this muscle when I do these exercises or when I do squats. I don't exercises or when I do squats. I don't exercises or when I do squats. I don't feel my quads. squeeze the hell out of feel my quads. squeeze the hell out of feel my quads. squeeze the hell out of your quads at the top of a a squat and your quads at the top of a a squat and your quads at the top of a a squat and then see how you feel as you go through then see how you feel as you go through then see how you feel as you go through the set. You'll really the set. You'll really the set. You'll really >> or just isometrics period. Even even >> or just isometrics period. Even even >> or just isometrics period. Even even forget inside of a rep, I think forget inside of a rep, I think forget inside of a rep, I think isometrics on for that muscle group. isometrics on for that muscle group. isometrics on for that muscle group. >> Yeah. Even priming it >> Yeah. Even priming it >> Yeah. Even priming it >> is is such a is such a great idea if you >> is is such a is such a great idea if you >> is is such a is such a great idea if you have poor connection there. For sure. have poor connection there. For sure. have poor connection there. For sure. >> Totally. Totally. And you're right, you >> Totally. Totally. And you're right, you >> Totally. Totally. And you're right, you know, as I think about it, bodybuilders know, as I think about it, bodybuilders know, as I think about it, bodybuilders are really good at playing with these uh are really good at playing with these uh are really good at playing with these uh these different things. these different things. these different things. >> No, really good. I mean, I know we've >> No, really good. I mean, I know we've >> No, really good. I mean, I know we've had some examples uh that you had some examples uh that you had some examples uh that you highlighted where we have had some highlighted where we have had some highlighted where we have had some bodybuilders that have come in and they bodybuilders that have come in and they bodybuilders that have come in and they have terrible range of motion. I think have terrible range of motion. I think have terrible range of motion. I think that's an example of like when you that's an example of like when you that's an example of like when you totally when you only train that way and totally when you only train that way and totally when you only train that way and neglect that. I would I'm I'm trying to neglect that. I would I'm I'm trying to neglect that. I would I'm I'm trying to think back to all my buddies that that think back to all my buddies that that think back to all my buddies that that lifted with me that if they were like lifted with me that if they were like lifted with me that if they were like that like I mean you lifted with Johnny that like I mean you lifted with Johnny that like I mean you lifted with Johnny last last last >> Yeah. No, he's good. >> Yeah. No, he's good. >> Yeah. No, he's good. >> He's got great >> He's got great >> He's got great >> Oh, yeah. He plays full range of motion. >> Oh, yeah. He plays full range of motion. >> Oh, yeah. He plays full range of motion. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know again he's in his 40some. He's >> You know again he's in his 40some. He's >> You know again he's in his 40some. He's been doing this for a long time. I think been doing this for a long time. I think been doing this for a long time. I think you start to figure it out. you start to figure it out. you start to figure it out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> You know. >> You know. >> Yeah. I think like so I I think I would >> Yeah. I think like so I I think I would >> Yeah. I think like so I I think I would I think although I can't I can't I think although I can't I can't I think although I can't I can't remember to be honest with you um if I remember to be honest with you um if I remember to be honest with you um if I would consider him the majority. I think would consider him the majority. I think would consider him the majority. I think a majority majority of bodybuilders tend a majority majority of bodybuilders tend a majority majority of bodybuilders tend to do a pretty good job of kind of doing to do a pretty good job of kind of doing to do a pretty good job of kind of doing all that. If anything I think what they all that. If anything I think what they all that. If anything I think what they neglect or we neglect the most is is not neglect or we neglect the most is is not neglect or we neglect the most is is not training enough like a powerlifter does. training enough like a powerlifter does. training enough like a powerlifter does. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If like that's the part that we >> Yeah. If like that's the part that we >> Yeah. If like that's the part that we probably miss out on is just probably miss out on is just probably miss out on is just >> if you if you ever want to see really >> if you if you ever want to see really >> if you if you ever want to see really crazy ranges of motion watch uh the crazy ranges of motion watch uh the crazy ranges of motion watch uh the golden era bodybuilders. golden era bodybuilders. golden era bodybuilders. >> Yeah. A lot of lot of times they were >> Yeah. A lot of lot of times they were >> Yeah. A lot of lot of times they were doing splits on the stage and doing splits on the stage and doing splits on the stage and >> but just their ranges of motion on flies >> but just their ranges of motion on flies >> but just their ranges of motion on flies like laterals like we stop them here like laterals like we stop them here like laterals like we stop them here man. Arnold's like way up here, you man. Arnold's like way up here, you man. Arnold's like way up here, you know, upright rows way up here all the know, upright rows way up here all the know, upright rows way up here all the way down. They were way down. They were way down. They were >> they were they really played with crazy >> they were they really played with crazy >> they were they really played with crazy deep uh full ranges of motion when you deep uh full ranges of motion when you deep uh full ranges of motion when you watch uh them lift. Yeah. watch uh them lift. Yeah. watch uh them lift. Yeah. >> And you know they they obviously built >> And you know they they obviously built >> And you know they they obviously built incredible physiques with minimal incredible physiques with minimal incredible physiques with minimal anabolics and compared to the you know anabolics and compared to the you know anabolics and compared to the you know the current ones. the current ones. the current ones. >> Um and then lastly it's pause like >> Um and then lastly it's pause like >> Um and then lastly it's pause like pausing the rep. Now a pause can happen pausing the rep. Now a pause can happen pausing the rep. Now a pause can happen at any point in the rep. It could happen at any point in the rep. It could happen at any point in the rep. It could happen at the bottom in the middle can happen at the bottom in the middle can happen at the bottom in the middle can happen at the top. Why would why would I want at the top. Why would why would I want at the top. Why would why would I want to incorporate pausing? This is to incorporate pausing? This is to incorporate pausing? This is phenomenal for improving stability. phenomenal for improving stability. phenomenal for improving stability. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This is great for it. If there's a part >> This is great for it. If there's a part >> This is great for it. If there's a part of the rep where you suddenly lose of the rep where you suddenly lose of the rep where you suddenly lose strength strength strength >> that's it >> that's it >> that's it >> or stability. >> or stability. >> or stability. >> Emphasize it. Then you grab a lighter >> Emphasize it. Then you grab a lighter >> Emphasize it. Then you grab a lighter weight. You get down in the hole uh or weight. You get down in the hole uh or weight. You get down in the hole uh or get down in the rep and get to the point get down in the rep and get to the point get down in the rep and get to the point where you're like, "This is where I lose where you're like, "This is where I lose where you're like, "This is where I lose stability." And then hold that and stay stability." And then hold that and stay stability." And then hold that and stay tight and hold it for 5 seconds, 6 tight and hold it for 5 seconds, 6 tight and hold it for 5 seconds, 6 seconds, 7 seconds, and then come out. seconds, 7 seconds, and then come out. seconds, 7 seconds, and then come out. Powerlifters love pause reps for Powerlifters love pause reps for Powerlifters love pause reps for breaking through sticking points in breaking through sticking points in breaking through sticking points in their lifts. Um this I never utilized their lifts. Um this I never utilized their lifts. Um this I never utilized until um I really started to train for until um I really started to train for until um I really started to train for like max lifts. Uh, and the first time I like max lifts. Uh, and the first time I like max lifts. Uh, and the first time I used this was on bench press because I used this was on bench press because I used this was on bench press because I just when I got to the bottom of the just when I got to the bottom of the just when I got to the bottom of the bench, it was like I just couldn't move bench, it was like I just couldn't move bench, it was like I just couldn't move it. If I got it up after three, four it. If I got it up after three, four it. If I got it up after three, four inches and I can move the weight. And I inches and I can move the weight. And I inches and I can move the weight. And I read uh Powerlifting USA, I think it read uh Powerlifting USA, I think it read uh Powerlifting USA, I think it was. was. was. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it talked about one of the lifters >> And it talked about one of the lifters >> And it talked about one of the lifters how how they and they I didn't know how how they and they I didn't know how how they and they I didn't know this, but powerlifters do this all the this, but powerlifters do this all the this, but powerlifters do this all the time. time. time. >> So, I just started pausing my bench >> So, I just started pausing my bench >> So, I just started pausing my bench presses at my chest. presses at my chest. presses at my chest. >> And it was months. It only took a few >> And it was months. It only took a few >> And it was months. It only took a few months before that became the strongest months before that became the strongest months before that became the strongest part Yeah. of my bench press. part Yeah. of my bench press. part Yeah. of my bench press. >> Yeah. before that it's like you don't >> Yeah. before that it's like you don't >> Yeah. before that it's like you don't realize how much momentum is realize how much momentum is realize how much momentum is incorporated in your lifts when you're incorporated in your lifts when you're incorporated in your lifts when you're just trying to get to the end result. just trying to get to the end result. just trying to get to the end result. And so like yeah, I used to just bounce And so like yeah, I used to just bounce And so like yeah, I used to just bounce the the bar off my chest and, you know, the the bar off my chest and, you know, the the bar off my chest and, you know, do all those things when I was young. Uh do all those things when I was young. Uh do all those things when I was young. Uh because the whole goal was to how much I because the whole goal was to how much I because the whole goal was to how much I could load the bar with and and get could load the bar with and and get could load the bar with and and get through the rep. But then when you start through the rep. But then when you start through the rep. But then when you start kind of breaking it up, being a little kind of breaking it up, being a little kind of breaking it up, being a little more thoughtful, um, man, you realize more thoughtful, um, man, you realize more thoughtful, um, man, you realize like how much force you're not like how much force you're not like how much force you're not producing, how much control you don't producing, how much control you don't producing, how much control you don't have until you really like isolate it. have until you really like isolate it. have until you really like isolate it. This is another reason why I absolutely This is another reason why I absolutely This is another reason why I absolutely love the Z press, too, is because I love the Z press, too, is because I love the Z press, too, is because I think we are so weak and instable in think we are so weak and instable in think we are so weak and instable in that full extension, overhead extension. that full extension, overhead extension. that full extension, overhead extension. And I I always Z press with a 3 to 5 And I I always Z press with a 3 to 5 And I I always Z press with a 3 to 5 second hold at the top and stabilize the second hold at the top and stabilize the second hold at the top and stabilize the weight way above your head like that. I weight way above your head like that. I weight way above your head like that. I think the the gains, the stability you think the the gains, the stability you think the the gains, the stability you get from that, the control, get from that, the control, get from that, the control, >> the overall benefit posture-wise, I >> the overall benefit posture-wise, I >> the overall benefit posture-wise, I think it's such a great movement for think it's such a great movement for think it's such a great movement for that that exact just humbling. You have that that exact just humbling. You have that that exact just humbling. You have to I mean, you could be somebody who to I mean, you could be somebody who to I mean, you could be somebody who shoulder presses easy 185 and have to shoulder presses easy 185 and have to shoulder presses easy 185 and have to get down to like get down to like get down to like >> 105. >> 105. >> 105. >> Yeah. Or less or less. >> Yeah. Or less or less. >> Yeah. Or less or less. >> Yeah. A lot less. more more like, you >> Yeah. A lot less. more more like, you >> Yeah. A lot less. more more like, you know, 60 lbs when you first started. know, 60 lbs when you first started. know, 60 lbs when you first started. Just doing the bar and some tens on Just doing the bar and some tens on Just doing the bar and some tens on there is is work if you've never done, there is is work if you've never done, there is is work if you've never done, >> you know, now that I think about it, the >> you know, now that I think about it, the >> you know, now that I think about it, the la the neck the the last time I played la the neck the the last time I played la the neck the the last time I played with pausing was uh overhead holding and with pausing was uh overhead holding and with pausing was uh overhead holding and that was because of Justin's influence. that was because of Justin's influence. that was because of Justin's influence. >> Um because I didn't realize that I did >> Um because I didn't realize that I did >> Um because I didn't realize that I did was unstable. So So my shoulder press was unstable. So So my shoulder press was unstable. So So my shoulder press would be like all the way up and down, would be like all the way up and down, would be like all the way up and down, but when I got up to the top, I'd bring but when I got up to the top, I'd bring but when I got up to the top, I'd bring it down right away. And we were walking it down right away. And we were walking it down right away. And we were walking and then done and then done and then done >> we were doing uh you know because of >> we were doing uh you know because of >> we were doing uh you know because of Justin and his programming I was Justin and his programming I was Justin and his programming I was practicing walking uh with like a kettle practicing walking uh with like a kettle practicing walking uh with like a kettle bell or dumbbells and I I realized that bell or dumbbells and I I realized that bell or dumbbells and I I realized that like once I locked my arm out I was like once I locked my arm out I was like once I locked my arm out I was unstable. Yep. unstable. Yep. unstable. Yep. >> And so I just started to hold my presses >> And so I just started to hold my presses >> And so I just started to hold my presses at the top and I got great progress. at the top and I got great progress. at the top and I got great progress. Which brings us to this. If you suck at Which brings us to this. If you suck at Which brings us to this. If you suck at any of these that's a hack for you. You any of these that's a hack for you. You any of these that's a hack for you. You do the one you suck at, you'll get great do the one you suck at, you'll get great do the one you suck at, you'll get great gains. So if you suck at the stretch, gains. So if you suck at the stretch, gains. So if you suck at the stretch, you suck at pausing, you suck at the you suck at pausing, you suck at the you suck at pausing, you suck at the squeeze, squeeze, squeeze, >> focus on that. That's always true. It's >> focus on that. That's always true. It's >> focus on that. That's always true. It's always true that if you do the thing you always true that if you do the thing you always true that if you do the thing you suck at and you'll improve the most. suck at and you'll improve the most. suck at and you'll improve the most. >> Especially advanced lifters. Yes. When >> Especially advanced lifters. Yes. When >> Especially advanced lifters. Yes. When you're when you've been lifting for a you're when you've been lifting for a you're when you've been lifting for a long time and you find something, you long time and you find something, you long time and you find something, you just have to reframe it that way, right? just have to reframe it that way, right? just have to reframe it that way, right? Cuz we we all have a tendency to Cuz we we all have a tendency to Cuz we we all have a tendency to gravitate towards things we're good at, gravitate towards things we're good at, gravitate towards things we're good at, we like doing. we like doing. we like doing. >> But when you find the thing that you >> But when you find the thing that you >> But when you find the thing that you really suck at, that's where the real really suck at, that's where the real really suck at, that's where the real gold is. That's where the novelty is. gold is. That's where the novelty is. gold is. That's where the novelty is. That's where the gains are. So, and it's That's where the gains are. So, and it's That's where the gains are. So, and it's hard to get gains when you've been doing hard to get gains when you've been doing hard to get gains when you've been doing this 10, 15, 20 years. And so, it's like this 10, 15, 20 years. And so, it's like this 10, 15, 20 years. And so, it's like lean into those movements that you do lean into those movements that you do lean into those movements that you do and you're like, man, I really suck at and you're like, man, I really suck at and you're like, man, I really suck at this. It's like that's awesome. There's this. It's like that's awesome. There's this. It's like that's awesome. There's gains there. gains there. gains there. >> I got to tell you guys that um the the >> I got to tell you guys that um the the >> I got to tell you guys that um the the Fior Sunday joggers have been uh Fior Sunday joggers have been uh Fior Sunday joggers have been uh dethroned. dethroned. dethroned. >> It's Hey, you >> It's Hey, you >> It's Hey, you >> dethroned. Please tell please tell me >> dethroned. Please tell please tell me >> dethroned. Please tell please tell me you have at least three to four pairs of you have at least three to four pairs of you have at least three to four pairs of those cuz you've I seen them on you for those cuz you've I seen them on you for those cuz you've I seen them on you for I for the last 3 weeks. I don't think I for the last 3 weeks. I don't think I for the last 3 weeks. I don't think I've seen a different pair of them. I've seen a different pair of them. I've seen a different pair of them. >> I love them. I love them. >> I love them. I love them. >> I love them. I love them. >> Like the the amount of Steve Jobs the >> Like the the amount of Steve Jobs the >> Like the the amount of Steve Jobs the turtleneck. turtleneck. turtleneck. >> I better go to his house and see closet >> I better go to his house and see closet >> I better go to his house and see closet like six. He's not wearing the same damn like six. He's not wearing the same damn like six. He's not wearing the same damn sweats every sweats every sweats every You know what it is? Is that they're You know what it is? Is that they're You know what it is? Is that they're they're really comfortable, cozy, but they're really comfortable, cozy, but they're really comfortable, cozy, but they're like the material is um they're like the material is um they're like the material is um >> they're thick and soft. >> they're thick and soft. >> they're thick and soft. >> Yeah, it's like thick and like uh I >> Yeah, it's like thick and like uh I >> Yeah, it's like thick and like uh I don't know how you high quality. How don't know how you high quality. How don't know how you high quality. How would you describe it? Cuz they don't would you describe it? Cuz they don't would you describe it? Cuz they don't look like traditional sweats. They look look like traditional sweats. They look look like traditional sweats. They look like nicer. I don't know how. like nicer. I don't know how. like nicer. I don't know how. >> Yeah. And they're not too heavy where >> Yeah. And they're not too heavy where >> Yeah. And they're not too heavy where you get like super hot like some of you get like super hot like some of you get like super hot like some of those like sweats you just like I I those like sweats you just like I I those like sweats you just like I I can't wear sweats. can't wear sweats. can't wear sweats. >> But this is it. This totally like Sunday >> But this is it. This totally like Sunday >> But this is it. This totally like Sunday joggers were at the top always and now joggers were at the top always and now joggers were at the top always and now it's like second. Now it's always these. it's like second. Now it's always these. it's like second. Now it's always these. >> I know you got a couple. >> I know you got a couple. >> I know you got a couple. >> I feel you. Oh, yeah. No, I have three >> I feel you. Oh, yeah. No, I have three >> I feel you. Oh, yeah. No, I have three pair. I've got a blue pair, a black pair. I've got a blue pair, a black pair. I've got a blue pair, a black pair. So, I have to get different pair. So, I have to get different pair. So, I have to get different colors, too. colors, too. colors, too. >> Yeah. And I have the I think my favorite >> Yeah. And I have the I think my favorite >> Yeah. And I have the I think my favorite are the sand color ones. The brown ones are the sand color ones. The brown ones are the sand color ones. The brown ones I wear. I wear. I wear. >> I have gray and black. Yeah. >> I have gray and black. Yeah. >> I have gray and black. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. I don't have I don't have >> Oh, yeah. I don't have I don't have >> Oh, yeah. I don't have I don't have gray. I need gray. I didn't know they gray. I need gray. I didn't know they gray. I need gray. I didn't know they had the gray. But I the I I want another had the gray. But I the I I want another had the gray. But I the I I want another pair of black cuz I wear black a lot, pair of black cuz I wear black a lot, pair of black cuz I wear black a lot, too. So, dude, I'm with you on that. too. So, dude, I'm with you on that. too. So, dude, I'm with you on that. >> Love them. Love them. Love them. Love >> Love them. Love them. Love them. Love >> Love them. Love them. Love them. Love them to work out with them. Go out with them to work out with them. Go out with them to work out with them. Go out with them. They're great. them. They're great. them. They're great. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Justin, you you just had your birthday. >> Justin, you you just had your birthday. >> Justin, you you just had your birthday. >> How was How was your birthday? >> How was How was your birthday? >> How was How was your birthday? >> Did you get what you wanted? >> Did you get what you wanted? >> Did you get what you wanted? >> I mean, I don't >> I mean, I don't >> I mean, I don't >> I I got stuff like >> I I got stuff like >> I I got stuff like You know, like I I'm I'm just like it's You know, like I I'm I'm just like it's You know, like I I'm I'm just like it's so so so >> Are we not all there in our relationship >> Are we not all there in our relationship >> Are we not all there in our relationship where we just buy our own stuff and then where we just buy our own stuff and then where we just buy our own stuff and then we just we just we just >> I'm waiting cuz it's all for me. I like >> I'm waiting cuz it's all for me. I like >> I'm waiting cuz it's all for me. I like experiences and going places like and experiences and going places like and experiences and going places like and usually I'm just like I tell Courtney usually I'm just like I tell Courtney usually I'm just like I tell Courtney like just take me somewhere, you know, like just take me somewhere, you know, like just take me somewhere, you know, and we'll do our thing. And that's like and we'll do our thing. And that's like and we'll do our thing. And that's like a gift to me. Like stuff is like a gift to me. Like stuff is like a gift to me. Like stuff is like >> I'm not interested in I there's nothing >> I'm not interested in I there's nothing >> I'm not interested in I there's nothing I could like think of even right now. I could like think of even right now. I could like think of even right now. I'm like, "Oh, I need this. I want I'm like, "Oh, I need this. I want I'm like, "Oh, I need this. I want this." Because you don't want anything. this." Because you don't want anything. this." Because you don't want anything. >> If you want something, you just get it. >> If you want something, you just get it. >> If you want something, you just get it. Well, it's also not your It's not your Well, it's also not your It's not your Well, it's also not your It's not your It's probably not your love language It's probably not your love language It's probably not your love language either. either. either. >> It's not Yeah, that's not what I Yeah. >> It's not Yeah, that's not what I Yeah. >> It's not Yeah, that's not what I Yeah. >> What's your love language? >> What's your love language? >> What's your love language? >> Uh touch and uh um time. >> Uh touch and uh um time. >> Uh touch and uh um time. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, touch you for a long time. >> Yeah. So, touch you for a long time. >> Yeah. So, touch you for a long time. >> Yeah. Touch you a long time. >> Yeah. Touch you a long time. >> Yeah. Touch you a long time. >> Touch your lifetime. >> Touch your lifetime. >> Touch your lifetime. >> So, what'd you get? Cuz there you said >> So, what'd you get? Cuz there you said >> So, what'd you get? Cuz there you said there was a story about your birthday there was a story about your birthday there was a story about your birthday gift or something that happened. Did you gift or something that happened. Did you gift or something that happened. Did you say that? say that? say that? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, there was a part of the gift that wasn't there was a part of the gift that wasn't there was a part of the gift that wasn't like an exper. This is a different like an exper. This is a different like an exper. This is a different experience. Courtney kind of like, you experience. Courtney kind of like, you experience. Courtney kind of like, you know, gambled a little bit. G. Where know, gambled a little bit. G. Where know, gambled a little bit. G. Where were you? were you? were you? >> Well, no, I mean like like on the >> Well, no, I mean like like on the >> Well, no, I mean like like on the gambling to Vegas. gambling to Vegas. gambling to Vegas. >> I appreciate it. I like it. >> I appreciate it. I like it. >> I appreciate it. I like it. >> Happy birthday. >> Happy birthday. >> Happy birthday. >> Yeah. So, thousand >> Yeah. So, thousand >> Yeah. So, thousand >> on. She kind of took it upon herself to >> on. She kind of took it upon herself to >> on. She kind of took it upon herself to um she bought us like this signed us up um she bought us like this signed us up um she bought us like this signed us up for this dance uh uh at home. So, for this dance uh uh at home. So, for this dance uh uh at home. So, instructor I'm going to learn ballroom instructor I'm going to learn ballroom instructor I'm going to learn ballroom dancing that came to your house. dancing that came to your house. dancing that came to your house. >> Salsa. Well, yeah. You do it like with >> Salsa. Well, yeah. You do it like with >> Salsa. Well, yeah. You do it like with an instructor and then you also do it an instructor and then you also do it an instructor and then you also do it virtually. virtually. virtually. >> Okay. Uh, so we we kind of just started >> Okay. Uh, so we we kind of just started >> Okay. Uh, so we we kind of just started doing that and like I'm, you know, doing that and like I'm, you know, doing that and like I'm, you know, shaking my hips doing doing the thing. shaking my hips doing doing the thing. shaking my hips doing doing the thing. Uh, but yeah, it was like this all new Uh, but yeah, it was like this all new Uh, but yeah, it was like this all new to me. I I used to do uh swing dancing to me. I I used to do uh swing dancing to me. I I used to do uh swing dancing way back in the day. way back in the day. way back in the day. >> Uh, you did? >> Uh, you did? >> Uh, you did? >> I did. Yeah. So, you were totally game >> I did. Yeah. So, you were totally game >> I did. Yeah. So, you were totally game for that being your birthday present. for that being your birthday present. for that being your birthday present. >> I would be so mad if Katrina got me that >> I would be so mad if Katrina got me that >> I would be so mad if Katrina got me that for my birthday. for my birthday. for my birthday. >> No, I mean I like I said, >> No, I mean I like I said, >> No, I mean I like I said, >> she just thought of this and did it and >> she just thought of this and did it and >> she just thought of this and did it and I was actually like, "Oh, that's a I was actually like, "Oh, that's a I was actually like, "Oh, that's a really interesting, thoughtful thing." really interesting, thoughtful thing." really interesting, thoughtful thing." Like Like Like >> would like this. Of course, that >> would like this. Of course, that >> would like this. Of course, that highlights how different we all are highlights how different we all are highlights how different we all are right there. I would never right there. I would never right there. I would never >> I would if Katrina's like, "Guess what I >> I would if Katrina's like, "Guess what I >> I would if Katrina's like, "Guess what I got you for your birthday." got you for your birthday." got you for your birthday." >> I know. That's why I thought you guys >> I know. That's why I thought you guys >> I know. That's why I thought you guys lesson. lesson. lesson. What? That's why I thought you guys What? That's why I thought you guys What? That's why I thought you guys would make fun of me. would make fun of me. would make fun of me. >> Are we divorcing? >> Are we divorcing? >> Are we divorcing? >> I would not like that. Unless Jess was >> I would not like that. Unless Jess was >> I would not like that. Unless Jess was like, "And we're naked already." like, "And we're naked already." like, "And we're naked already." >> Yeah. Well, at your home, I guess you >> Yeah. Well, at your home, I guess you >> Yeah. Well, at your home, I guess you could be, but uh I just I look at it as could be, but uh I just I look at it as could be, but uh I just I look at it as it's another way for cuz for me it's it's another way for cuz for me it's it's another way for cuz for me it's less of I mean we talk a lot and we have less of I mean we talk a lot and we have less of I mean we talk a lot and we have like opportunities for that, but like to like opportunities for that, but like to like opportunities for that, but like to just hang out and and it's not like just hang out and and it's not like just hang out and and it's not like >> something that's like oh well tell me >> something that's like oh well tell me >> something that's like oh well tell me about your feelings and you know all about your feelings and you know all about your feelings and you know all that stuff gets boring. So like let's that stuff gets boring. So like let's that stuff gets boring. So like let's let's move, you know, let's do things. let's move, you know, let's do things. let's move, you know, let's do things. >> Dirty dancing. Hey, so hold on. Where >> Dirty dancing. Hey, so hold on. Where >> Dirty dancing. Hey, so hold on. Where did you do swing dancing? Where the heck did you do swing dancing? Where the heck did you do swing dancing? Where the heck did you do that? did you do that? did you do that? >> Oh, I did that. >> Oh, I did that. >> Oh, I did that. >> I I will say this. If I were to learn >> I I will say this. If I were to learn >> I I will say this. If I were to learn something, swing would be something I something, swing would be something I something, swing would be something I would consider. would consider. would consider. >> It was cool. Like I used to bust that >> It was cool. Like I used to bust that >> It was cool. Like I used to bust that would be cool. would be cool. would be cool. >> I used to bust it out every now and then >> I used to bust it out every now and then >> I used to bust it out every now and then at like some of the dances in high at like some of the dances in high at like some of the dances in high school and people would be like tripping school and people would be like tripping school and people would be like tripping out. But out. But out. But >> Oh, so it was way back then. >> Oh, so it was way back then. >> Oh, so it was way back then. >> It was way back then. And so I was like, >> It was way back then. And so I was like, >> It was way back then. And so I was like, >> it was kind of funny cuz I had this like >> it was kind of funny cuz I had this like >> it was kind of funny cuz I had this like other kind of identity for a while when other kind of identity for a while when other kind of identity for a while when I was like this rockabilly guy, you I was like this rockabilly guy, you I was like this rockabilly guy, you know, and like I had like flame shoes know, and like I had like flame shoes know, and like I had like flame shoes and like stupid clothes. and like stupid clothes. and like stupid clothes. >> You had flame shoes, >> You had flame shoes, >> You had flame shoes, >> dude. I had flame shoes. I had like I >> dude. I had flame shoes. I had like I >> dude. I had flame shoes. I had like I had a big old pompador. I remember the had a big old pompador. I remember the had a big old pompador. I remember the pompador picture pompador picture pompador picture >> and I had I had the chain wallet, you >> and I had I had the chain wallet, you >> and I had I had the chain wallet, you know, the whole thing. know, the whole thing. know, the whole thing. >> I did a chain wallet for a while. >> I did a chain wallet for a while. >> I did a chain wallet for a while. >> I had an old truck. I had a 56 uh truck. >> I had an old truck. I had a 56 uh truck. >> I had an old truck. I had a 56 uh truck. >> You went all in. >> You went all in. >> You went all in. >> I was all in. And um so I I would go to >> I was all in. And um so I I would go to >> I was all in. And um so I I would go to shows and this was like when swing and shows and this was like when swing and shows and this was like when swing and and rockabilly was like kind of popular and rockabilly was like kind of popular and rockabilly was like kind of popular for a while there. But yeah, I would go for a while there. But yeah, I would go for a while there. But yeah, I would go with my girlfriend at the time and then with my girlfriend at the time and then with my girlfriend at the time and then would just throw around and you know, would just throw around and you know, would just throw around and you know, spin and do the whole thing. Uh West spin and do the whole thing. Uh West spin and do the whole thing. Uh West Coast like swing stuff. Coast like swing stuff. Coast like swing stuff. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow, dude. >> Wow, dude. >> Wow, dude. >> Yeah. I learned I learned it. It was >> Yeah. I learned I learned it. It was >> Yeah. I learned I learned it. It was like we'd go down to this this place like we'd go down to this this place like we'd go down to this this place down in Santa Cruz and it was above this down in Santa Cruz and it was above this down in Santa Cruz and it was above this Takaria and we'd learn from this lady Takaria and we'd learn from this lady Takaria and we'd learn from this lady that taught us. So that taught us. So that taught us. So >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> That's pretty cool. I think a lot of I >> That's pretty cool. I think a lot of I >> That's pretty cool. I think a lot of I mean you either like that or you don't. mean you either like that or you don't. mean you either like that or you don't. You know what I mean? So I I could see You know what I mean? So I I could see You know what I mean? So I I could see why she got that for you cuz I know you why she got that for you cuz I know you why she got that for you cuz I know you and it's like Yeah, he probably would and it's like Yeah, he probably would and it's like Yeah, he probably would like something like that. like something like that. like something like that. >> Yeah. I just like cuz she's not like >> Yeah. I just like cuz she's not like >> Yeah. I just like cuz she's not like that. I think it was like a stretch for that. I think it was like a stretch for that. I think it was like a stretch for her. her. her. >> Oh, that's nice. So that's interesting. >> Oh, that's nice. So that's interesting. >> Oh, that's nice. So that's interesting. >> So I I really appreciated it. So that's >> So I I really appreciated it. So that's >> So I I really appreciated it. So that's not something that she would like not something that she would like not something that she would like totally be about. totally be about. totally be about. >> Uh, no. Like you know what's funny is >> Uh, no. Like you know what's funny is >> Uh, no. Like you know what's funny is >> Katrina would love that. >> Katrina would love that. >> Katrina would love that. >> Yeah. Katrina would love that. >> Yeah. Katrina would love that. >> Yeah. Katrina would love that. >> We we've gone out and and you know >> We we've gone out and and you know >> We we've gone out and and you know obviously like we we go to like concerts obviously like we we go to like concerts obviously like we we go to like concerts and stuff and we've danced together. But and stuff and we've danced together. But and stuff and we've danced together. But it's kind of funny cuz she has like a it's kind of funny cuz she has like a it's kind of funny cuz she has like a different pattern and I have a different different pattern and I have a different different pattern and I have a different pattern. So we'll be at like weddings pattern. So we'll be at like weddings pattern. So we'll be at like weddings for instance and we'll be like dancing for instance and we'll be like dancing for instance and we'll be like dancing to something and she's like kind of like to something and she's like kind of like to something and she's like kind of like like bouncing a little bit like more like bouncing a little bit like more like bouncing a little bit like more than me and then so like we're like off than me and then so like we're like off than me and then so like we're like off sync. We always laugh about it cuz I'm sync. We always laugh about it cuz I'm sync. We always laugh about it cuz I'm like, "Wait, you're way off." Like, like, "Wait, you're way off." Like, like, "Wait, you're way off." Like, and so I'm hoping like this will like, and so I'm hoping like this will like, and so I'm hoping like this will like, you know, get us a little more in tune. you know, get us a little more in tune. you know, get us a little more in tune. >> Dude, that's going to be great. >> Dude, that's going to be great. >> Dude, that's going to be great. >> Okay. So, explain. So, you uh you meet >> Okay. So, explain. So, you uh you meet >> Okay. So, explain. So, you uh you meet with the instructor in person once and with the instructor in person once and with the instructor in person once and then it goes virtual after that. Is that then it goes virtual after that. Is that then it goes virtual after that. Is that how it works? how it works? how it works? >> Yeah. So, um this person's in Santa >> Yeah. So, um this person's in Santa >> Yeah. So, um this person's in Santa Cruz. We're going to meet with them. Cruz. We're going to meet with them. Cruz. We're going to meet with them. We're going to go through it and then We're going to go through it and then We're going to go through it and then Yeah. We can do like follow-ups uh Yeah. We can do like follow-ups uh Yeah. We can do like follow-ups uh virtually. So, yeah. virtually. So, yeah. virtually. So, yeah. >> So, you Wait, Katrina is into dancing. >> So, you Wait, Katrina is into dancing. >> So, you Wait, Katrina is into dancing. >> Oh, yeah. So my best friend Justin that >> Oh, yeah. So my best friend Justin that >> Oh, yeah. So my best friend Justin that you know his wife like Katrina when we you know his wife like Katrina when we you know his wife like Katrina when we first when he used to live with me and first when he used to live with me and first when he used to live with me and they were before we were all married. they were before we were all married. they were before we were all married. >> Um yeah the girls this is Justin and I >> Um yeah the girls this is Justin and I >> Um yeah the girls this is Justin and I would stay home and play video games and would stay home and play video games and would stay home and play video games and send the wives off to go line dancing send the wives off to go line dancing send the wives off to go line dancing and salsa dancing and yeah they go do and salsa dancing and yeah they go do and salsa dancing and yeah they go do all that stuff. all that stuff. all that stuff. >> Katrina's dad who's like 74 goes salsa >> Katrina's dad who's like 74 goes salsa >> Katrina's dad who's like 74 goes salsa dancing by himself at clubs all the time dancing by himself at clubs all the time dancing by himself at clubs all the time picking up chicks. picking up chicks. picking up chicks. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's >> Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's >> Wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's >> Yeah. is you you you don't dance very >> Yeah. is you you you don't dance very >> Yeah. is you you you don't dance very well. I've seen you move. well. I've seen you move. well. I've seen you move. >> I mean, I don't either. >> I mean, I don't either. >> I mean, I don't either. >> It's like the kettle call. I don't >> It's like the kettle call. I don't >> It's like the kettle call. I don't either. Easy guy. either. Easy guy. either. Easy guy. >> I'm not trying to say I'm great. Hey, >> I'm not trying to say I'm great. Hey, >> I'm not trying to say I'm great. Hey, Dan. Dan. Dan. >> You and I dancing is like like are you >> You and I dancing is like like are you >> You and I dancing is like like are you guys listening to music? guys listening to music? guys listening to music? >> According to Katrina, there's a very big >> According to Katrina, there's a very big >> According to Katrina, there's a very big difference in my dance moves. Uh, sober difference in my dance moves. Uh, sober difference in my dance moves. Uh, sober versus four drinks. She's like, four versus four drinks. She's like, four versus four drinks. She's like, four drinks, you can dance. Maybe she's had drinks, you can dance. Maybe she's had drinks, you can dance. Maybe she's had four drinks. At least she has beer. four drinks. At least she has beer. four drinks. At least she has beer. She's got no problem telling me I'm not She's got no problem telling me I'm not She's got no problem telling me I'm not I can't dance. You know what I'm saying? I can't dance. You know what I'm saying? I can't dance. You know what I'm saying? She tell She tell She tell >> you know Jessica and she if she catches >> you know Jessica and she if she catches >> you know Jessica and she if she catches me dancing early, she'll come over and me dancing early, she'll come over and me dancing early, she'll come over and she like start feeding me drinks to get she like start feeding me drinks to get she like start feeding me drinks to get going. going. going. >> So, you know, Jessica and I have never >> So, you know, Jessica and I have never >> So, you know, Jessica and I have never danced together danced together danced together >> ever. Slow danced. We've slow danced. >> ever. Slow danced. We've slow danced. >> ever. Slow danced. We've slow danced. >> But it's such a wonderful thing we have >> But it's such a wonderful thing we have >> But it's such a wonderful thing we have in common. in common. in common. >> It's so wonderful. I You know, >> It's so wonderful. I You know, >> It's so wonderful. I You know, >> you guys don't like to do anything? >> you guys don't like to do anything? >> you guys don't like to do anything? >> No, dude. I go to like you go to >> No, dude. I go to like you go to >> No, dude. I go to like you go to weddings and stuff and everybody wants weddings and stuff and everybody wants weddings and stuff and everybody wants to dance and have, you know, I don't to dance and have, you know, I don't to dance and have, you know, I don't mind slow dancing. I'll do that. But, mind slow dancing. I'll do that. But, mind slow dancing. I'll do that. But, you know, all the dancing and stuff and you know, all the dancing and stuff and you know, all the dancing and stuff and you know, if you if you're married to you know, if you if you're married to you know, if you if you're married to somebody that likes to do that, somebody that likes to do that, somebody that likes to do that, >> it sucks >> it sucks >> it sucks >> because you don't want them to go out >> because you don't want them to go out >> because you don't want them to go out and dance by themselves. You got to go and dance by themselves. You got to go and dance by themselves. You got to go out there. Then you're out there hating out there. Then you're out there hating out there. Then you're out there hating life cuz you don't like life cuz you don't like life cuz you don't like >> But my wife is like, "No, I don't like >> But my wife is like, "No, I don't like >> But my wife is like, "No, I don't like that. I don't want to dance." I'm like, that. I don't want to dance." I'm like, that. I don't want to dance." I'm like, "Really?" So, we'll just sit in the back "Really?" So, we'll just sit in the back "Really?" So, we'll just sit in the back and watch everyone else and and watch everyone else and and watch everyone else and >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> have a good time by ourselves. >> have a good time by ourselves. >> have a good time by ourselves. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't like to. I >> Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't like to. I >> Yeah. I mean, I don't I don't like to. I will. I do. And I tend to need to be will. I do. And I tend to need to be will. I do. And I tend to need to be loosened up with some alcohol a little loosened up with some alcohol a little loosened up with some alcohol a little bit to really get into it. I mean, bit to really get into it. I mean, bit to really get into it. I mean, Katrina and I that was I tell the story Katrina and I that was I tell the story Katrina and I that was I tell the story of when we first got together. We went of when we first got together. We went of when we first got together. We went out dancing together. So, I mean, I'm out dancing together. So, I mean, I'm out dancing together. So, I mean, I'm I'm not But I I don't like it like you. I'm not But I I don't like it like you. I'm not But I I don't like it like you. I'm not I'm I prefer not to. If I'm out I'm not I'm I prefer not to. If I'm out I'm not I'm I prefer not to. If I'm out and we're doing something like I'm not and we're doing something like I'm not and we're doing something like I'm not like I'm fine sitting at the like I'm fine sitting at the like I'm fine sitting at the >> You know who I like dancing with? I love >> You know who I like dancing with? I love >> You know who I like dancing with? I love dancing with my kids, but it's not I'm dancing with my kids, but it's not I'm dancing with my kids, but it's not I'm not really dancing with them. I pick not really dancing with them. I pick not really dancing with them. I pick them up, I swing them, they'll stand on them up, I swing them, they'll stand on them up, I swing them, they'll stand on my feet, do the whole thing, you know, my feet, do the whole thing, you know, my feet, do the whole thing, you know, when they're little. when they're little. when they're little. >> But yeah, you won't catch me out there. >> But yeah, you won't catch me out there. >> But yeah, you won't catch me out there. No way, dude. Yeah. Yeah. No way, dude. Yeah. Yeah. No way, dude. Yeah. Yeah. >> I I like it out like I know something >> I I like it out like I know something >> I I like it out like I know something and then I'll do it like just very and then I'll do it like just very and then I'll do it like just very occasionally and then people will trip occasionally and then people will trip occasionally and then people will trip out. out. out. >> You're the guy, let me guess. You're the >> You're the guy, let me guess. You're the >> You're the guy, let me guess. You're the dude that will go on the dance floor and dude that will go on the dance floor and dude that will go on the dance floor and just throw a splits out there. just throw a splits out there. just throw a splits out there. >> I don't do splits, dude. >> I don't do splits, dude. >> I don't do splits, dude. >> But you know what I mean. That's you >> But you know what I mean. That's you >> But you know what I mean. That's you though. That though. That though. That >> Yeah, but I'll do some some move. >> Yeah, but I'll do some some move. >> Yeah, but I'll do some some move. >> Like you have a move. You have a >> Like you have a move. You have a >> Like you have a move. You have a signature move, don't you? signature move, don't you? signature move, don't you? >> I mean, it's kind of like if performing >> I mean, it's kind of like if performing >> I mean, it's kind of like if performing on stage like too. I'll do stuff. on stage like too. I'll do stuff. on stage like too. I'll do stuff. >> What's your What's your sign? You have a >> What's your What's your sign? You have a >> What's your What's your sign? You have a move for sure. What's your signature? I move for sure. What's your signature? I move for sure. What's your signature? I do know. It's like a leg shake with a do know. It's like a leg shake with a do know. It's like a leg shake with a kick. kick. kick. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You got You got a leg shake with a kick. >> You got You got a leg shake with a kick. >> You got You got a leg shake with a kick. >> I used to do some uh Michael Jackson >> I used to do some uh Michael Jackson >> I used to do some uh Michael Jackson stuff. stuff. stuff. >> I do it, dude. I do it. >> I do it, dude. I do it. >> I do it, dude. I do it. >> When Michael Jackson was on, it was like >> When Michael Jackson was on, it was like >> When Michael Jackson was on, it was like dude was on like Donkey Kong, you know, dude was on like Donkey Kong, you know, dude was on like Donkey Kong, you know, I do all the Michael Jackson movies. I do all the Michael Jackson movies. I do all the Michael Jackson movies. >> I didn't realize that Courtney doesn't I >> I didn't realize that Courtney doesn't I >> I didn't realize that Courtney doesn't I would That's interesting that she's not would That's interesting that she's not would That's interesting that she's not like big into it. like big into it. like big into it. >> I mean, she's she likes, you know, being >> I mean, she's she likes, you know, being >> I mean, she's she likes, you know, being around that that scene. She She goes around that that scene. She She goes around that that scene. She She goes dancing and all that, but she's not like dancing and all that, but she's not like dancing and all that, but she's not like super into it. She's not, especially the super into it. She's not, especially the super into it. She's not, especially the structure of it, you know. structure of it, you know. structure of it, you know. >> Yeah. So, she's not like like Katrina >> Yeah. So, she's not like like Katrina >> Yeah. So, she's not like like Katrina will go line dancing, salsa dancing, all will go line dancing, salsa dancing, all will go line dancing, salsa dancing, all that stuff with like her friends or go that stuff with like her friends or go that stuff with like her friends or go that's like their they like to do that's like their they like to do that's like their they like to do >> you know what sucks about all Adam is >> you know what sucks about all Adam is >> you know what sucks about all Adam is like well I mean we're okay we're like well I mean we're okay we're like well I mean we're okay we're married now but uh like dancing is very married now but uh like dancing is very married now but uh like dancing is very attractive to women. You can move. attractive to women. You can move. attractive to women. You can move. >> I'm her dad is 74 and still be picking >> I'm her dad is 74 and still be picking >> I'm her dad is 74 and still be picking up like girls half his age at 74 cuz he up like girls half his age at 74 cuz he up like girls half his age at 74 cuz he can he can really dance in a barrel. You can he can really dance in a barrel. You can he can really dance in a barrel. You guys >> shut up dude. >> shut up dude. >> It's funny. Yeah, it's because this is >> It's funny. Yeah, it's because this is >> It's funny. Yeah, it's because this is normal. Like most dudes like they're normal. Like most dudes like they're normal. Like most dudes like they're embarrassed or they won't get into it. embarrassed or they won't get into it. embarrassed or they won't get into it. And so it's just like it's easy, dude. And so it's just like it's easy, dude. And so it's just like it's easy, dude. >> Yeah. I just don't enjoy it. I'm not I >> Yeah. I just don't enjoy it. I'm not I >> Yeah. I just don't enjoy it. I'm not I don't care. Just don't care. Just don't care. Just >> my my buddy who have you met uh my my >> my my buddy who have you met uh my my >> my my buddy who have you met uh my my buddy Mike that I drive with. Have you buddy Mike that I drive with. Have you buddy Mike that I drive with. Have you met him? He's like kind of a smaller met him? He's like kind of a smaller met him? He's like kind of a smaller smaller frame guy, blonde hair, blue smaller frame guy, blonde hair, blue smaller frame guy, blonde hair, blue eye, fair pale skin. Like he's he's eye, fair pale skin. Like he's he's eye, fair pale skin. Like he's he's really good at salsa dancing. And like really good at salsa dancing. And like really good at salsa dancing. And like that's and I feel like when you're like that's and I feel like when you're like that's and I feel like when you're like the the pale white-kinned dude that goes the the pale white-kinned dude that goes the the pale white-kinned dude that goes in there, like if you're a chick that's in there, like if you're a chick that's in there, like if you're a chick that's into white guys, you're mopping. into white guys, you're mopping. into white guys, you're mopping. You're the only palekinned white dude in You're the only palekinned white dude in You're the only palekinned white dude in there that's salsa dancing or for sure there that's salsa dancing or for sure there that's salsa dancing or for sure for sure. That's you're you're picking for sure. That's you're you're picking for sure. That's you're you're picking up all day long. up all day long. up all day long. >> I mean, yeah, you guys got all this, you >> I mean, yeah, you guys got all this, you >> I mean, yeah, you guys got all this, you know, like I need to make up for that. know, like I need to make up for that. know, like I need to make up for that. So, that's that's my booth. So, that's that's my booth. So, that's that's my booth. >> Just They start talking to He's like, >> Just They start talking to He's like, >> Just They start talking to He's like, "Hold on a second. Let's go. I'll just "Hold on a second. Let's go. I'll just "Hold on a second. Let's go. I'll just grab the dance floor. grab the dance floor. grab the dance floor. >> Watch what I can do. >> Watch what I can do. >> Watch what I can do. >> Stop talking. Just watch the hips." >> Stop talking. Just watch the hips." >> Stop talking. Just watch the hips." >> Adam and I are like, "Oh, this music's >> Adam and I are like, "Oh, this music's >> Adam and I are like, "Oh, this music's loud. Let's go outside and talk. Let's loud. Let's go outside and talk. Let's loud. Let's go outside and talk. Let's go have a conversation." go have a conversation." go have a conversation." Speaking of hips, I could all I could Speaking of hips, I could all I could Speaking of hips, I could all I could think about was on the elliptical do think about was on the elliptical do think about was on the elliptical do I was doing. I was doing. I was doing. >> So what's So are you So you're trying to >> So what's So are you So you're trying to >> So what's So are you So you're trying to do more cardio cuz you're just do more cardio cuz you're just do more cardio cuz you're just >> I'm not doing so I know I did I did cuz >> I'm not doing so I know I did I did cuz >> I'm not doing so I know I did I did cuz we're so seditary here. That's all it we're so seditary here. That's all it we're so seditary here. That's all it is. is. is. >> Terrible, dude. I'm pushing calories >> Terrible, dude. I'm pushing calories >> Terrible, dude. I'm pushing calories really aggressively right now and to really aggressively right now and to really aggressively right now and to just to uh because I need in order to just to uh because I need in order to just to uh because I need in order to hit like 220 230 plus in grams of hit like 220 230 plus in grams of hit like 220 230 plus in grams of protein. protein. protein. >> I've got to be up there in calories and >> I've got to be up there in calories and >> I've got to be up there in calories and I'm just not moving enough to not put I'm just not moving enough to not put I'm just not moving enough to not put body fat on with that high a calorie and body fat on with that high a calorie and body fat on with that high a calorie and I'm not eating like super lean. I'm I'm I'm not eating like super lean. I'm I'm I'm not eating like super lean. I'm I'm not like tracking and measure. I'm like not like tracking and measure. I'm like not like tracking and measure. I'm like I'm eating I'm enjoying I'm having I'm eating I'm enjoying I'm having I'm eating I'm enjoying I'm having ribeye. I'm doing stuff like that. ribeye. I'm doing stuff like that. ribeye. I'm doing stuff like that. Right. And uh typically, I think I Right. And uh typically, I think I Right. And uh typically, I think I shared this with you off air, shared this with you off air, shared this with you off air, >> like when I when I reverse diet, hit >> like when I when I reverse diet, hit >> like when I when I reverse diet, hit protein, and I'm training like I am protein, and I'm training like I am protein, and I'm training like I am right now, I have this I end up kind of right now, I have this I end up kind of right now, I have this I end up kind of just naturally kind of hit this just naturally kind of hit this just naturally kind of hit this Goldilock zone where I'll I'll lean out Goldilock zone where I'll I'll lean out Goldilock zone where I'll I'll lean out a little bit. I'll build muscle and so a little bit. I'll build muscle and so a little bit. I'll build muscle and so I'm just getting bigger and just and I'm I'm just getting bigger and just and I'm I'm just getting bigger and just and I'm building and and I'm not really leaning building and and I'm not really leaning building and and I'm not really leaning out much. And so I think it's just out much. And so I think it's just out much. And so I think it's just because our inactivity. because our inactivity. because our inactivity. >> So inactive. >> So inactive. >> So inactive. >> Yeah. I mean, I could So I have >> Yeah. I mean, I could So I have >> Yeah. I mean, I could So I have >> people know we're in here all day. >> people know we're in here all day. >> people know we're in here all day. >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we go for one walk and >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we go for one walk and >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we go for one walk and it's literally How far is our walk? it's literally How far is our walk? it's literally How far is our walk? >> That's embarrassing. 12. It's not It's >> That's embarrassing. 12. It's not It's >> That's embarrassing. 12. It's not It's not far enough because even when we do not far enough because even when we do not far enough because even when we do our walk and our day, our daily steps on our walk and our day, our daily steps on our walk and our day, our daily steps on I'll only hit like on a normal day 5,000 I'll only hit like on a normal day 5,000 I'll only hit like on a normal day 5,000 steps. steps. steps. >> So, I have to get on there for a good 45 >> So, I have to get on there for a good 45 >> So, I have to get on there for a good 45 minutes to an hour of like walking or minutes to an hour of like walking or minutes to an hour of like walking or elliptical elliptical elliptical >> to push 8 to 10,000 steps. >> to push 8 to 10,000 steps. >> to push 8 to 10,000 steps. >> So, that's the what I'm doing is just to >> So, that's the what I'm doing is just to >> So, that's the what I'm doing is just to do that. do that. do that. >> Other otherwise, I got to really tighten >> Other otherwise, I got to really tighten >> Other otherwise, I got to really tighten the diet up and I'm just not in the mood the diet up and I'm just not in the mood the diet up and I'm just not in the mood to do that right now. Like, I'm you to do that right now. Like, I'm you to do that right now. Like, I'm you know, I'm still You'd rather plus you know, I'm still You'd rather plus you know, I'm still You'd rather plus you need plus it's good to move. need plus it's good to move. need plus it's good to move. >> Yeah. Plus it's good to move which is >> Yeah. Plus it's good to move which is >> Yeah. Plus it's good to move which is good for you. good for you. good for you. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's going to facilitate >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's going to facilitate >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it's going to facilitate recovery. It's good for my heart. It's recovery. It's good for my heart. It's recovery. It's good for my heart. It's all those things. And so it's not I all those things. And so it's not I all those things. And so it's not I wouldn't it's not cardio or it's like wouldn't it's not cardio or it's like wouldn't it's not cardio or it's like zone two type stuff, you know? It's I'm zone two type stuff, you know? It's I'm zone two type stuff, you know? It's I'm walking on a on a slight incline. I'm walking on a on a slight incline. I'm walking on a on a slight incline. I'm elliptical, you know, doing this. elliptical, you know, doing this. elliptical, you know, doing this. >> Everybody can see how good you dance. >> Everybody can see how good you dance. >> Everybody can see how good you dance. >> I know. Exactly. There's a taste. >> I know. Exactly. There's a taste. >> I know. Exactly. There's a taste. >> You're suppressing it, Adam. I've seen >> You're suppressing it, Adam. I've seen >> You're suppressing it, Adam. I've seen you on that elliptical deal. I know what you on that elliptical deal. I know what you on that elliptical deal. I know what you're doing. Hey, you know my my Oh, you're doing. Hey, you know my my Oh, you're doing. Hey, you know my my Oh, speaking of hidden protein, are you speaking of hidden protein, are you speaking of hidden protein, are you using Chris Power to try and hit that? using Chris Power to try and hit that? using Chris Power to try and hit that? >> Oh, yeah. No, those those have become >> Oh, yeah. No, those those have become >> Oh, yeah. No, those those have become daily snacks for me for sure. In fact, daily snacks for me for sure. In fact, daily snacks for me for sure. In fact, I' i've gone through I got to see if we I' i've gone through I got to see if we I' i've gone through I got to see if we have more in the back because I've gone have more in the back because I've gone have more in the back because I've gone through all my favorite flavors. The through all my favorite flavors. The through all my favorite flavors. The only fl I like I love every flavor. I'm only fl I like I love every flavor. I'm only fl I like I love every flavor. I'm not the big fan of the cinnamon ones. not the big fan of the cinnamon ones. not the big fan of the cinnamon ones. >> Oh, it's sweet. >> Oh, it's sweet. >> Oh, it's sweet. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it's cuz the other ones are all savory. >> it's cuz the other ones are all savory. >> it's cuz the other ones are all savory. >> Yeah, they're all I like all the other >> Yeah, they're all I like all the other >> Yeah, they're all I like all the other ones. All the other ones I love. And ones. All the other ones I love. And ones. All the other ones I love. And cinnamon's not bad because I've heard cinnamon's not bad because I've heard cinnamon's not bad because I've heard other people on the staff and stuff like other people on the staff and stuff like other people on the staff and stuff like cinnamon. It's just that when I have a cinnamon. It's just that when I have a cinnamon. It's just that when I have a chip, uh, it's like it's kind of Yeah. chip, uh, it's like it's kind of Yeah. chip, uh, it's like it's kind of Yeah. Well, no. I mean, it's, uh, that's like Well, no. I mean, it's, uh, that's like Well, no. I mean, it's, uh, that's like a graham cracker taste to me and I want a graham cracker taste to me and I want a graham cracker taste to me and I want like a salty sesame seed, sea salt, the like a salty sesame seed, sea salt, the like a salty sesame seed, sea salt, the the cheddar ones. the cheddar ones. the cheddar ones. >> How do you keep the staff from eating >> How do you keep the staff from eating >> How do you keep the staff from eating them? Are you put Did you put on the box them? Are you put Did you put on the box them? Are you put Did you put on the box from Adam only? from Adam only? from Adam only? >> No. What I do is I just grab like five, >> No. What I do is I just grab like five, >> No. What I do is I just grab like five, six at a time. I throw them in my gym six at a time. I throw them in my gym six at a time. I throw them in my gym bag and then bag and then bag and then >> cuz they're gone. They don't last. The >> cuz they're gone. They don't last. The >> cuz they're gone. They don't last. The team just crushes them. team just crushes them. team just crushes them. >> Oh, I know. >> Oh, I know. >> Oh, I know. >> Cole like four. >> Cole like four. >> Cole like four. >> I know. I actually will I'll pair it >> I know. I actually will I'll pair it >> I know. I actually will I'll pair it with like that and like jerky with like that and like jerky with like that and like jerky >> and I'm get it's like a high You have 26 >> and I'm get it's like a high You have 26 >> and I'm get it's like a high You have 26 grams coming from the Chris Power and grams coming from the Chris Power and grams coming from the Chris Power and then some jerky another 20 30 g then some jerky another 20 30 g then some jerky another 20 30 g >> 50 something grams something I can eat >> 50 something grams something I can eat >> 50 something grams something I can eat while I'm driving. Well, I've been while I'm driving. Well, I've been while I'm driving. Well, I've been loving my kids like paying attention to loving my kids like paying attention to loving my kids like paying attention to all those numbers of protein and then all those numbers of protein and then all those numbers of protein and then they'll see, you know, that there's 26 g they'll see, you know, that there's 26 g they'll see, you know, that there's 26 g something of protein in there and then something of protein in there and then something of protein in there and then so they're eating all the bags like and so they're eating all the bags like and so they're eating all the bags like and it's gone. it's gone. it's gone. >> You got teenage boys, dude. >> You got teenage boys, dude. >> You got teenage boys, dude. >> Dude, I just can't I can't compete with >> Dude, I just can't I can't compete with >> Dude, I just can't I can't compete with it now. All right, we are we going to it now. All right, we are we going to it now. All right, we are we going to talk about the Epste stuff? talk about the Epste stuff? talk about the Epste stuff? >> Oh god, >> Oh god, >> Oh god, >> bro. >> bro. >> bro. >> Three What was it? 3,000 >> Three What was it? 3,000 >> Three What was it? 3,000 documents. I just thought it was like documents. I just thought it was like documents. I just thought it was like three million. three million. three million. >> Hey, I heard Okay, wait before you get >> Hey, I heard Okay, wait before you get >> Hey, I heard Okay, wait before you get into it cuz I heard a funny thing and it into it cuz I heard a funny thing and it into it cuz I heard a funny thing and it was a comedian though, so I don't know was a comedian though, so I don't know was a comedian though, so I don't know if it's true. if it's true. if it's true. >> That the the government had used Word to >> That the the government had used Word to >> That the the government had used Word to redact a lot of the things. So all you redact a lot of the things. So all you redact a lot of the things. So all you had to do was like upload it to had to do was like upload it to had to do was like upload it to unredacted. unredacted. unredacted. >> I didn't know that. >> I didn't know that. >> I didn't know that. >> Yeah. I don't know if this is true. Is >> Yeah. I don't know if this is true. Is >> Yeah. I don't know if this is true. Is >> that true? >> that true? >> that true? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I heard something like that. Yeah. >> I heard something like that. Yeah. >> I heard something like that. Yeah. >> Yeah. So I heard >> Yeah. So I heard >> Yeah. So I heard >> I heard like something about the black >> I heard like something about the black >> I heard like something about the black mark was like mark was like mark was like >> it was done in word and so you could >> it was done in word and so you could >> it was done in word and so you could just upload the file to Word and then un just upload the file to Word and then un just upload the file to Word and then un and then and then and then and then and then and then >> maybe they did that intentionally. >> maybe they did that intentionally. >> maybe they did that intentionally. >> Yeah, right. You know, Dude, can I >> Yeah, right. You know, Dude, can I >> Yeah, right. You know, Dude, can I >> It's all intentional. There's no >> It's all intentional. There's no >> It's all intentional. There's no accident. accident. accident. >> I I don't want to get in too much detail >> I I don't want to get in too much detail >> I I don't want to get in too much detail cuz it's so dark. I can't spend too much cuz it's so dark. I can't spend too much cuz it's so dark. I can't spend too much time reading into some of the stuff cuz time reading into some of the stuff cuz time reading into some of the stuff cuz it's so dark. But it's so dark. But it's so dark. But >> yeah, you do though. >> yeah, you do though. >> yeah, you do though. >> Listen, the conspiracy theorists >> Listen, the conspiracy theorists >> Listen, the conspiracy theorists >> Well, all I got to say is wake up, dude. >> Well, all I got to say is wake up, dude. >> Well, all I got to say is wake up, dude. like, you know, stop calling people like, you know, stop calling people like, you know, stop calling people conspiracy theories. conspiracy theories. conspiracy theories. >> Listen, listen. It's This is It seems >> Listen, listen. It's This is It seems >> Listen, listen. It's This is It seems like like like >> there is literally a satanic cult that >> there is literally a satanic cult that >> there is literally a satanic cult that runs the world. How crazy does that runs the world. How crazy does that runs the world. How crazy does that sound that I just said that? sound that I just said that? sound that I just said that? >> Read the stuff. These are the most >> Read the stuff. These are the most >> Read the stuff. These are the most powerful people in the world. And I powerful people in the world. And I powerful people in the world. And I don't care what side of the aisle you're don't care what side of the aisle you're don't care what side of the aisle you're on. It's Republicans, Democrats, it's on. It's Republicans, Democrats, it's on. It's Republicans, Democrats, it's religious leaders, it's billionaires, religious leaders, it's billionaires, religious leaders, it's billionaires, techniques. techniques. techniques. >> And they and and they're not they're >> And they and and they're not they're >> And they and and they're not they're it's like not just sex trafficking. It's it's like not just sex trafficking. It's it's like not just sex trafficking. It's dark satanic ritual stuff. dark satanic ritual stuff. dark satanic ritual stuff. >> Yes, it is. >> Yes, it is. >> Yes, it is. >> It is. Epstein's bank account was named >> It is. Epstein's bank account was named >> It is. Epstein's bank account was named Ball. Did you see that? Ball. Did you see that? Ball. Did you see that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You guys, Do you know what Ball is, >> You guys, Do you know what Ball is, >> You guys, Do you know what Ball is, Doug? That's one of the ancient uh like Doug? That's one of the ancient uh like Doug? That's one of the ancient uh like false gods of the Old Testament. It's false gods of the Old Testament. It's false gods of the Old Testament. It's actually a demon. You're actually actually a demon. You're actually actually a demon. You're actually worshiping a demon. worshiping a demon. worshiping a demon. >> He named his bank account that. >> He named his bank account that. >> He named his bank account that. >> It's crazy. So you you you need to still >> It's crazy. So you you you need to still >> It's crazy. So you you you need to still go watch the 1975 Netflix documentary go watch the 1975 Netflix documentary go watch the 1975 Netflix documentary because that's what's given me balance because that's what's given me balance because that's what's given me balance to all this stuff is that is that this to all this stuff is that is that this to all this stuff is that is that this has been what you're talking about right has been what you're talking about right has been what you're talking about right now is not new news. This has been now is not new news. This has been now is not new news. This has been happening forever happening forever happening forever >> since the beginning. >> since the beginning. >> since the beginning. >> Since the beginning but everybody's dis >> Since the beginning but everybody's dis >> Since the beginning but everybody's dis discarded it. discarded it. discarded it. >> Well I mean >> Well I mean >> Well I mean >> well now it's just coming out >> well now it's just coming out >> well now it's just coming out >> to your def to your defense. I agree. >> to your def to your defense. I agree. >> to your def to your defense. I agree. Here's here's where I'll get back get Here's here's where I'll get back get Here's here's where I'll get back get behind what you're saying, Justin, which behind what you're saying, Justin, which behind what you're saying, Justin, which is everybody needs to calm down with the is everybody needs to calm down with the is everybody needs to calm down with the calling the conspiracy theories people calling the conspiracy theories people calling the conspiracy theories people like people that have been saying this like people that have been saying this like people that have been saying this for a long time. Like I'm I'm over that, for a long time. Like I'm I'm over that, for a long time. Like I'm I'm over that, too. I'm over I'm over I'm more like too. I'm over I'm over I'm more like too. I'm over I'm over I'm more like choke choke the snake's head. Stop like, choke choke the snake's head. Stop like, choke choke the snake's head. Stop like, you know, infighting. you know, infighting. you know, infighting. >> Like it's it's just so like ridiculous >> Like it's it's just so like ridiculous >> Like it's it's just so like ridiculous to me what we fight about. And it's like to me what we fight about. And it's like to me what we fight about. And it's like you see stuff like this and nobody's you see stuff like this and nobody's you see stuff like this and nobody's getting arrested and nobody's paying. getting arrested and nobody's paying. getting arrested and nobody's paying. >> What do you do? It's everyone. >> What do you do? It's everyone. >> What do you do? It's everyone. >> I know. So, what do you do? You I >> I know. So, what do you do? You I >> I know. So, what do you do? You I Exactly. It's Exactly. It's Exactly. It's >> Dude, this is >> Dude, this is >> Dude, this is >> It's a conundrum. >> It's a conundrum. >> It's a conundrum. >> No, dude. Listen, you may you may or may >> No, dude. Listen, you may you may or may >> No, dude. Listen, you may you may or may not believe in God and the devil, but not believe in God and the devil, but not believe in God and the devil, but they sure do. they sure do. they sure do. >> They sure do. >> They sure do. >> They sure do. >> You read some of the stuff that they are >> You read some of the stuff that they are >> You read some of the stuff that they are talking about, what they're doing, and talking about, what they're doing, and talking about, what they're doing, and it's like, it is wild. It's crazy. And it's like, it is wild. It's crazy. And it's like, it is wild. It's crazy. And it's like people you wouldn't even think it's like people you wouldn't even think it's like people you wouldn't even think >> are in there. >> are in there. >> are in there. >> Did you see that? >> Did you see that? >> Did you see that? >> Peter's emails. Did you see that? >> Peter's emails. Did you see that? >> Peter's emails. Did you see that? >> Thousand of them. >> Thousand of them. >> Thousand of them. a thousand. a thousand. a thousand. >> Dude, >> Dude, >> Dude, >> wow. I wouldn't have seen that coming. I >> wow. I wouldn't have seen that coming. I >> wow. I wouldn't have seen that coming. I had no idea he would get dude. You want had no idea he would get dude. You want had no idea he would get dude. You want to talk about like rise and fall? That to talk about like rise and fall? That to talk about like rise and fall? That guy's getting crushed now. guy's getting crushed now. guy's getting crushed now. >> That what what makes me so curious about >> That what what makes me so curious about >> That what what makes me so curious about things like that is like especially things like that is like especially things like that is like especially because that's I would consider that in because that's I would consider that in because that's I would consider that in our space. our space. our space. >> It's it's interesting to me. We've been >> It's it's interesting to me. We've been >> It's it's interesting to me. We've been doing this for a really long time. Uh doing this for a really long time. Uh doing this for a really long time. Uh I'd like to think that we're have a I'd like to think that we're have a I'd like to think that we're have a pretty good pulse of our space. It's pretty good pulse of our space. It's pretty good pulse of our space. It's always interesting to me when somebody always interesting to me when somebody always interesting to me when somebody like him comes up out of nowhere and is like him comes up out of nowhere and is like him comes up out of nowhere and is like on 60 Minutes Uber famous out of like on 60 Minutes Uber famous out of like on 60 Minutes Uber famous out of nowhere and he's saying smart stuff but nowhere and he's saying smart stuff but nowhere and he's saying smart stuff but he ain't saying anything different than he ain't saying anything different than he ain't saying anything different than what we've been talking about for 10 what we've been talking about for 10 what we've been talking about for 10 years. Like that's the part I'm always years. Like that's the part I'm always years. Like that's the part I'm always interested in these people that are interested in these people that are interested in these people that are saying a lot of things that we've been saying a lot of things that we've been saying a lot of things that we've been saying forever. saying forever. saying forever. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But all of a sudden they're on 60 >> But all of a sudden they're on 60 >> But all of a sudden they're on 60 Minutes and they're all over the news Minutes and they're all over the news Minutes and they're all over the news and they're on the number one podcast and they're on the number one podcast and they're on the number one podcast and they're like rubbing elbows with all and they're like rubbing elbows with all and they're like rubbing elbows with all these important That's interesting to these important That's interesting to these important That's interesting to me. me. me. >> Mhm. And I it makes me wonder about a >> Mhm. And I it makes me wonder about a >> Mhm. And I it makes me wonder about a lot of other people who we've seen that lot of other people who we've seen that lot of other people who we've seen that happen with. happen with. happen with. >> If if it's all true, if it's all true, >> If if it's all true, if it's all true, >> If if it's all true, if it's all true, cuz there's so like a big part of me is cuz there's so like a big part of me is cuz there's so like a big part of me is like it can't be true, but it keeps like it can't be true, but it keeps like it can't be true, but it keeps coming out. But if if it's true, what coming out. But if if it's true, what coming out. But if if it's true, what you're looking at are the people that you're looking at are the people that you're looking at are the people that run Hollywood, banking system, run Hollywood, banking system, run Hollywood, banking system, governments, biotech, tech. governments, biotech, tech. governments, biotech, tech. So for you to succeed at the upper at So for you to succeed at the upper at So for you to succeed at the upper at the top level in any of those spaces, the top level in any of those spaces, the top level in any of those spaces, you have these gatekeepers that are a you have these gatekeepers that are a you have these gatekeepers that are a part of this group. part of this group. part of this group. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You got to follow 50 Cent, dude. That's >> You got to follow 50 Cent, dude. That's >> You got to follow 50 Cent, dude. That's who I know. who I know. who I know. >> You got to follow any rap stars that are >> You got to follow any rap stars that are >> You got to follow any rap stars that are dropping bombs, bro. You got to follow dropping bombs, bro. You got to follow dropping bombs, bro. You got to follow 50 Cent. 50 Cent's been on this stuff 50 Cent. 50 Cent's been on this stuff 50 Cent. 50 Cent's been on this stuff for for for >> He's going to be making documentary >> He's going to be making documentary >> He's going to be making documentary after documentary after documentary after documentary after documentary after documentary after documentary after all this is done. after all this is done. after all this is done. >> 50 Cent and Cat Williams have been >> 50 Cent and Cat Williams have been >> 50 Cent and Cat Williams have been talking been calling this out. talking been calling this out. talking been calling this out. >> What's crazy to me is that you have this >> What's crazy to me is that you have this >> What's crazy to me is that you have this uh cuz we stay on the spiritual side uh cuz we stay on the spiritual side uh cuz we stay on the spiritual side again. You can believe it or not, but again. You can believe it or not, but again. You can believe it or not, but they they definitely do. There's a they they definitely do. There's a they they definitely do. There's a revival that's happening on the good revival that's happening on the good revival that's happening on the good side and it's one of the craziest side and it's one of the craziest side and it's one of the craziest biggest revivals we've seen in modern biggest revivals we've seen in modern biggest revivals we've seen in modern history and it's very unique because history and it's very unique because history and it's very unique because it's young men in particular. it's young men in particular. it's young men in particular. Simultaneously you have all this other Simultaneously you have all this other Simultaneously you have all this other stuff coming out. So if you believe in stuff coming out. So if you believe in stuff coming out. So if you believe in this stuff there seem this seems to be this stuff there seem this seems to be this stuff there seem this seems to be like a spiritual war is heating up. So like a spiritual war is heating up. So like a spiritual war is heating up. So where's it go? I don't know. where's it go? I don't know. where's it go? I don't know. >> Yeah. I I think for good balance I think >> Yeah. I I think for good balance I think >> Yeah. I I think for good balance I think everybody should watch the documentary everybody should watch the documentary everybody should watch the documentary that I keep talking about because that I keep talking about because that I keep talking about because >> just scared everybody. >> just scared everybody. >> just scared everybody. >> Yeah. I just think that what the thing >> Yeah. I just think that what the thing >> Yeah. I just think that what the thing that the thing that is more more unique that the thing that is more more unique that the thing that is more more unique today than anything else in my opinion today than anything else in my opinion today than anything else in my opinion is not any of the stuff that we're is not any of the stuff that we're is not any of the stuff that we're talking about right now. All that stuff talking about right now. All that stuff talking about right now. All that stuff has been happening forever. has been happening forever. has been happening forever. >> Yeah. But every nobody's ever thought it >> Yeah. But every nobody's ever thought it >> Yeah. But every nobody's ever thought it was real though. was real though. was real though. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do you think nobody has ever there's >> Do you think nobody has ever there's >> Do you think nobody has ever there's always always always >> mainstream very it's only mainstream >> mainstream very it's only mainstream >> mainstream very it's only mainstream because everybody everything is because everybody everything is because everybody everything is mainstream because everybody's on mainstream because everybody's on mainstream because everybody's on Twitter and social media now. That's Twitter and social media now. That's Twitter and social media now. That's that's it. That's the only difference. that's it. That's the only difference. that's it. That's the only difference. The only difference is the conspiracy The only difference is the conspiracy The only difference is the conspiracy theorists have a louder voice and can theorists have a louder voice and can theorists have a louder voice and can talk more about it. I mean, people have talk more about it. I mean, people have talk more about it. I mean, people have been saying this stuff forever. It's been saying this stuff forever. It's been saying this stuff forever. It's just that it's in our face 24/7 on these just that it's in our face 24/7 on these just that it's in our face 24/7 on these feeds. And so, everybody's an alarmist feeds. And so, everybody's an alarmist feeds. And so, everybody's an alarmist about every single thing. But if you about every single thing. But if you about every single thing. But if you just That's why that documentary was so just That's why that documentary was so just That's why that documentary was so good for me to watch. just went like, good for me to watch. just went like, good for me to watch. just went like, man, it was I would way rather be here man, it was I would way rather be here man, it was I would way rather be here today than with all this crazy [ __ ] today than with all this crazy [ __ ] today than with all this crazy [ __ ] you're talking about than 1975 you're talking about than 1975 you're talking about than 1975 >> with nuclear bombs getting ready to go >> with nuclear bombs getting ready to go >> with nuclear bombs getting ready to go off on us with freaking serial killers off on us with freaking serial killers off on us with freaking serial killers happening all happening all happening all >> it seems like now we know obviously know >> it seems like now we know obviously know >> it seems like now we know obviously know a lot more stuff. This is just crazy to a lot more stuff. This is just crazy to a lot more stuff. This is just crazy to me you guys. This is just wild since me you guys. This is just wild since me you guys. This is just wild since when did we ever see emails and when did we ever see emails and when did we ever see emails and documents documents documents >> that were this crazy between all these >> that were this crazy between all these >> that were this crazy between all these power. power. power. >> So the the here's a positive okay the >> So the the here's a positive okay the >> So the the here's a positive okay the positive side of this is that it is much positive side of this is that it is much positive side of this is that it is much harder for these evil people to hide harder for these evil people to hide harder for these evil people to hide >> Yeah. than it was in 1975. In 1975, it >> Yeah. than it was in 1975. In 1975, it >> Yeah. than it was in 1975. In 1975, it was much easier for these people to hide was much easier for these people to hide was much easier for these people to hide and not be known about and the secret and not be known about and the secret and not be known about and the secret societies and the control and the power societies and the control and the power societies and the control and the power was easier because there was only a few was easier because there was only a few was easier because there was only a few media outlets they had to control where media outlets they had to control where media outlets they had to control where now with this ability that everybody has now with this ability that everybody has now with this ability that everybody has their phone and can be an investigator their phone and can be an investigator their phone and can be an investigator and can and like and can and like and can and like >> and it's almost more disheartening >> and it's almost more disheartening >> and it's almost more disheartening though because nobody's paying the though because nobody's paying the though because nobody's paying the consequence for it. consequence for it. consequence for it. >> Well, because only because you know >> Well, because only because you know >> Well, because only because you know ignorance is bliss. Well, ignorance is bliss. Well, ignorance is bliss. Well, >> that's why >> that's why >> that's why >> they Yeah. Yes and no. Like I think back >> they Yeah. Yes and no. Like I think back >> they Yeah. Yes and no. Like I think back then there'd be examples they'd make of then there'd be examples they'd make of then there'd be examples they'd make of people people people >> uh and they'd get arrested. But it's >> uh and they'd get arrested. But it's >> uh and they'd get arrested. But it's like faith in your government. like faith in your government. like faith in your government. >> Yeah. But you don't have faith in your >> Yeah. But you don't have faith in your >> Yeah. But you don't have faith in your government now. government now. government now. >> I mean 1975 there was no faith in the >> I mean 1975 there was no faith in the >> I mean 1975 there was no faith in the government. I'm not a crook. This is government. I'm not a crook. This is government. I'm not a crook. This is Watergate. This is all Watergate. This is all Watergate. This is all >> but there was sides that did and there >> but there was sides that did and there >> but there was sides that did and there was sides that didn't. was sides that didn't. was sides that didn't. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That was that was Yeah, but that was the >> That was that was Yeah, but that was the >> That was that was Yeah, but that was the narrative they wanted you to know. narrative they wanted you to know. narrative they wanted you to know. >> You're right. You're right. >> You're right. You're right. >> You're right. You're right. >> That's the narrative they wanted. They >> That's the narrative they wanted. They >> That's the narrative they wanted. They made you feel like you were getting made you feel like you were getting made you feel like you were getting wins. It makes you feel like there was a wins. It makes you feel like there was a wins. It makes you feel like there was a fall. fall. fall. >> I think that's the point Justin's making >> I think that's the point Justin's making >> I think that's the point Justin's making is that you felt better because is that you felt better because is that you felt better because And my point is there's an outcome like And my point is there's an outcome like And my point is there's an outcome like you so so it's like okay so do you feel you so so it's like okay so do you feel you so so it's like okay so do you feel better better better >> with it all happening but you being >> with it all happening but you being >> with it all happening but you being blind to it and so you feel better and blind to it and so you feel better and blind to it and so you feel better and go to bed every night and you think it's go to bed every night and you think it's go to bed every night and you think it's or do you would you rather be out in the or do you would you rather be out in the or do you would you rather be out in the open? open? open? >> It's so much like that scene in the >> It's so much like that scene in the >> It's so much like that scene in the Matrix. Remember that scene in the Matrix. Remember that scene in the Matrix. Remember that scene in the Matrix where that one dude, he gets Matrix where that one dude, he gets Matrix where that one dude, he gets unplugged unplugged unplugged >> and he makes a deal with the with the >> and he makes a deal with the with the >> and he makes a deal with the with the machines and he goes he wants to forget machines and he goes he wants to forget machines and he goes he wants to forget everything. He wants to go back in the everything. He wants to go back in the everything. He wants to go back in the Matrix. He wants to be rich Matrix. He wants to be rich Matrix. He wants to be rich >> cuz the real world was just so ter so >> cuz the real world was just so ter so >> cuz the real world was just so ter so terrible. terrible. terrible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I I get it. I get it. I >> And I I get it. I get it. I >> And I I get it. I get it. I >> That's exactly what I'm talking the >> That's exactly what I'm talking the >> That's exactly what I'm talking the curtain's been, you know, uh, move like curtain's been, you know, uh, move like curtain's been, you know, uh, move like it it it's been opened up and and so, it it it's been opened up and and so, it it it's been opened up and and so, you know, we've got this insight now you know, we've got this insight now you know, we've got this insight now with how the real power dynamic works, with how the real power dynamic works, with how the real power dynamic works, you know, and who's really like pulling you know, and who's really like pulling you know, and who's really like pulling the strings and so I don't know like is the strings and so I don't know like is the strings and so I don't know like is that good, is that bad? Like it's it's that good, is that bad? Like it's it's that good, is that bad? Like it's it's I'm indifferent to it. It's just like I'm indifferent to it. It's just like I'm indifferent to it. It's just like it's one of those things like I it's it's one of those things like I it's it's one of those things like I it's nothing until somebody actually goes to nothing until somebody actually goes to nothing until somebody actually goes to jail. I mean, you can argue uh both jail. I mean, you can argue uh both jail. I mean, you can argue uh both sides like uh like Sal brings up the sides like uh like Sal brings up the sides like uh like Sal brings up the point how dangerous it is for nobody to point how dangerous it is for nobody to point how dangerous it is for nobody to trust government, right? Like that's a trust government, right? Like that's a trust government, right? Like that's a that's a dangerous place to be. Uh but that's a dangerous place to be. Uh but that's a dangerous place to be. Uh but then you could also say that if there's then you could also say that if there's then you could also say that if there's anything that was ever going to unify anything that was ever going to unify anything that was ever going to unify us, it would be things like this coming us, it would be things like this coming us, it would be things like this coming out that both sides are evil and bad out that both sides are evil and bad out that both sides are evil and bad >> and us and then all of us going like, >> and us and then all of us going like, >> and us and then all of us going like, listen, listen, listen, >> power vacuums are never good. So, it's >> power vacuums are never good. So, it's >> power vacuums are never good. So, it's like you know what ends up happening like you know what ends up happening like you know what ends up happening when you let's say look at every when you let's say look at every when you let's say look at every revolution has ever happened like this. revolution has ever happened like this. revolution has ever happened like this. Let's say we threw every let's say for Let's say we threw every let's say for Let's say we threw every let's say for whatever reason we just got rid of whatever reason we just got rid of whatever reason we just got rid of everybody in power started over. You everybody in power started over. You everybody in power started over. You have this power vacuum and the people have this power vacuum and the people have this power vacuum and the people that will come up and take it probably that will come up and take it probably that will come up and take it probably not good either. So I don't know that's not good either. So I don't know that's not good either. So I don't know that's why I'm like I almost feel like every uh why I'm like I almost feel like every uh why I'm like I almost feel like every uh this this the way that they're releasing this this the way that they're releasing this this the way that they're releasing these is to desensitize everybody and these is to desensitize everybody and these is to desensitize everybody and also to get everybody kind of frozen also to get everybody kind of frozen also to get everybody kind of frozen >> where you're just there's ina there's >> where you're just there's ina there's >> where you're just there's ina there's inaction like what do we like what do we inaction like what do we like what do we inaction like what do we like what do we do with this? do with this? do with this? >> Oh man. >> Oh man. >> Oh man. >> Yeah. It's a bit of a playbook though, >> Yeah. It's a bit of a playbook though, >> Yeah. It's a bit of a playbook though, like to your point is to get people to like to your point is to get people to like to your point is to get people to not trust anything, right? Like that's not trust anything, right? Like that's not trust anything, right? Like that's that's that's a dangerous place for that's that's a dangerous place for that's that's a dangerous place for society. society. society. >> Okay, we I mean obviously people are >> Okay, we I mean obviously people are >> Okay, we I mean obviously people are calling for stuff to get done here, but calling for stuff to get done here, but calling for stuff to get done here, but are emails enough to incriminate are emails enough to incriminate are emails enough to incriminate somebody to somebody to somebody to >> No, but there's a lot of stuff they >> No, but there's a lot of stuff they >> No, but there's a lot of stuff they didn't release. There's a lot of videos. didn't release. There's a lot of videos. didn't release. There's a lot of videos. >> There's a lot more. Yeah, that was just >> There's a lot more. Yeah, that was just >> There's a lot more. Yeah, that was just um honestly that was a retaliation and um honestly that was a retaliation and um honestly that was a retaliation and and you see what's move watch what's and you see what's move watch what's and you see what's move watch what's happening next and where we're moving happening next and where we're moving happening next and where we're moving next. you know, potentially for war. next. you know, potentially for war. next. you know, potentially for war. >> Yeah. Some people are super if that >> Yeah. Some people are super if that >> Yeah. Some people are super if that happens and you know for sure happens and you know for sure happens and you know for sure >> you know for sure skeptical of like >> you know for sure skeptical of like >> you know for sure skeptical of like >> I would have never guess >> I would have never guess >> I would have never guess >> I'm super skeptical of like why these >> I'm super skeptical of like why these >> I'm super skeptical of like why these people why this why now for that exact people why this why now for that exact people why this why now for that exact reason. It's like why not all of it at reason. It's like why not all of it at reason. It's like why not all of it at once? once? once? >> Yeah, cuz they they know what they put >> Yeah, cuz they they know what they put >> Yeah, cuz they they know what they put out, right? They know what they're out, right? They know what they're out, right? They know what they're releasing. So what are they not releasing. So what are they not releasing. So what are they not releasing? I I just think it's crazy releasing? I I just think it's crazy releasing? I I just think it's crazy that had you told me 15 years ago Alex that had you told me 15 years ago Alex that had you told me 15 years ago Alex Jones would be right a lot. I would have Jones would be right a lot. I would have Jones would be right a lot. I would have been like, "Get out of my face." I know, been like, "Get out of my face." I know, been like, "Get out of my face." I know, but he keeps going out to be remember but he keeps going out to be remember but he keeps going out to be remember that video he really it was a long time that video he really it was a long time that video he really it was a long time ago where he filmed that like ritual ago where he filmed that like ritual ago where he filmed that like ritual group with those elites and they're like group with those elites and they're like group with those elites and they're like worshiping this big owl statue. worshiping this big owl statue. worshiping this big owl statue. >> That was that's real. >> That was that's real. >> That was that's real. >> He grove. Yeah, >> He grove. Yeah, >> He grove. Yeah, >> Grove. Yeah, >> Grove. Yeah, >> Grove. Yeah, >> it was real. >> it was real. >> it was real. >> It is real. >> It is real. >> It is real. >> That was all real, dude. >> That was all real, dude. >> That was all real, dude. >> Ancient provocators are real. Like all >> Ancient provocators are real. Like all >> Ancient provocators are real. Like all that stuff's real. It's just fine. that stuff's real. It's just fine. that stuff's real. It's just fine. Again, these are all like parts of Again, these are all like parts of Again, these are all like parts of society people just don't want to society people just don't want to society people just don't want to acknowledge because it's like it's you acknowledge because it's like it's you acknowledge because it's like it's you just want to go about your day and like just want to go about your day and like just want to go about your day and like work and do the thing and uh contribute work and do the thing and uh contribute work and do the thing and uh contribute and just hope things are working. But and just hope things are working. But and just hope things are working. But it's like you know once you see all this it's like you know once you see all this it's like you know once you see all this it is a bit disheartening. it is a bit disheartening. it is a bit disheartening. >> Totally. Totally. Speaking of >> Totally. Totally. Speaking of >> Totally. Totally. Speaking of disheartening, how's you were talking disheartening, how's you were talking disheartening, how's you were talking about an injury you had earlier. I want about an injury you had earlier. I want about an injury you had earlier. I want to hear what you did from stuff. to hear what you did from stuff. to hear what you did from stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was Yeah. >> A couple weeks ago now, right? >> A couple weeks ago now, right? >> A couple weeks ago now, right? >> Yeah. That was probably two weeks ago. >> Yeah. That was probably two weeks ago. >> Yeah. That was probably two weeks ago. >> And uh dude, I think that's the one >> And uh dude, I think that's the one >> And uh dude, I think that's the one thing I've I've I could pinpoint like I thing I've I've I could pinpoint like I thing I've I've I could pinpoint like I feel older. Like I I do feel like it's feel older. Like I I do feel like it's feel older. Like I I do feel like it's different now. The way that like my body different now. The way that like my body different now. The way that like my body still holds on to this like still holds on to this like still holds on to this like >> injury >> injury >> injury >> injury pain. Like I used to just bounce >> injury pain. Like I used to just bounce >> injury pain. Like I used to just bounce right back and everything was cool. And right back and everything was cool. And right back and everything was cool. And it was the the the worst part is it it was the the the worst part is it it was the the the worst part is it wasn't like a real injury. It was like wasn't like a real injury. It was like wasn't like a real injury. It was like it's like a deep core strain to where it's like a deep core strain to where it's like a deep core strain to where it's like, you know, I feel unstable it's like, you know, I feel unstable it's like, you know, I feel unstable around my hips and lower back and and uh around my hips and lower back and and uh around my hips and lower back and and uh uh uh uh >> what' you do? >> what' you do? >> what' you do? >> So, it was a reaction. I was going >> So, it was a reaction. I was going >> So, it was a reaction. I was going really fast like cuz I was bored all really fast like cuz I was bored all really fast like cuz I was bored all day. I'm trying to teach my son to day. I'm trying to teach my son to day. I'm trying to teach my son to snowboard and like he just learned and snowboard and like he just learned and snowboard and like he just learned and so I'm like going really slow and like so I'm like going really slow and like so I'm like going really slow and like on a snowboard it's brutal cuz like you on a snowboard it's brutal cuz like you on a snowboard it's brutal cuz like you you you just burn your legs up like you you just burn your legs up like you you just burn your legs up like going that speed and like having to going that speed and like having to going that speed and like having to stand and wait and all that kind of stand and wait and all that kind of stand and wait and all that kind of stuff. So, it was like one of the last stuff. So, it was like one of the last stuff. So, it was like one of the last runs and I'm going down this village run runs and I'm going down this village run runs and I'm going down this village run and and it's like kind of flat and um and and it's like kind of flat and um and and it's like kind of flat and um and I'm just picking up all the speed and I'm just picking up all the speed and I'm just picking up all the speed because it's like ice and and it's not because it's like ice and and it's not because it's like ice and and it's not like, you know, like soft snow at all. like, you know, like soft snow at all. like, you know, like soft snow at all. And I go off trail and so I go off trail And I go off trail and so I go off trail And I go off trail and so I go off trail and then I'm going to kind of weave back and then I'm going to kind of weave back and then I'm going to kind of weave back and and I I saw an opening where I could and and I I saw an opening where I could and and I I saw an opening where I could weave back and I didn't see that there weave back and I didn't see that there weave back and I didn't see that there was like all these mogul and jumps like was like all these mogul and jumps like was like all these mogul and jumps like in between to get back to the trail and in between to get back to the trail and in between to get back to the trail and I'm like boom. Boom. I'm going like I'm like boom. Boom. I'm going like I'm like boom. Boom. I'm going like really fast like right into it. And so really fast like right into it. And so really fast like right into it. And so I'm having to like I don't know. Have I'm having to like I don't know. Have I'm having to like I don't know. Have you ever seen like motocross where they you ever seen like motocross where they you ever seen like motocross where they go over those like like I'm doing that go over those like like I'm doing that go over those like like I'm doing that but like literally I thought I was going but like literally I thought I was going but like literally I thought I was going to eat [ __ ] and like I didn't I was like to eat [ __ ] and like I didn't I was like to eat [ __ ] and like I didn't I was like how am I going to crash? Should I roll? how am I going to crash? Should I roll? how am I going to crash? Should I roll? Like I'm thinking about all this as I'm Like I'm thinking about all this as I'm Like I'm thinking about all this as I'm like going over them cuz like I'm like going over them cuz like I'm like going over them cuz like I'm hitting it and I'm like my body's doing hitting it and I'm like my body's doing hitting it and I'm like my body's doing all this and and it like trying to like all this and and it like trying to like all this and and it like trying to like over I was like overcorrecting and over I was like overcorrecting and over I was like overcorrecting and tightening everything and then I landed tightening everything and then I landed tightening everything and then I landed and then I'm like oh and and uh I kept and then I'm like oh and and uh I kept and then I'm like oh and and uh I kept going back down to to the end and and going back down to to the end and and going back down to to the end and and realized that oh my god I like strained realized that oh my god I like strained realized that oh my god I like strained everything really bad. everything really bad. everything really bad. It was just literally like my body It was just literally like my body It was just literally like my body holding my spine together and like I holding my spine together and like I holding my spine together and like I heard it, you know? Like heard it, you know? Like heard it, you know? Like >> what muscles do you think you pulled? >> what muscles do you think you pulled? >> what muscles do you think you pulled? >> Yeah. Were your spine like everything, >> Yeah. Were your spine like everything, >> Yeah. Were your spine like everything, dude. dude. dude. >> Oh god. That's when you get your deep >> Oh god. That's when you get your deep >> Oh god. That's when you get your deep core messed up, it's now you can't do core messed up, it's now you can't do core messed up, it's now you can't do nothing. nothing. nothing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like I like So I'm I'm I'm doing >> Yeah. Like I like So I'm I'm I'm doing >> Yeah. Like I like So I'm I'm I'm doing like hip bridges. I'm doing like bird like hip bridges. I'm doing like bird like hip bridges. I'm doing like bird dogs. dogs. dogs. The weakest workouts you ever seen, The weakest workouts you ever seen, The weakest workouts you ever seen, dude. Now, now you now going into that dude. Now, now you now going into that dude. Now, now you now going into that looking back cuz I know at least in my looking back cuz I know at least in my looking back cuz I know at least in my case, every time I've done this, cuz case, every time I've done this, cuz case, every time I've done this, cuz I've done this so many times, is I've done this so many times, is I've done this so many times, is >> I'm not training appropriately for what >> I'm not training appropriately for what >> I'm not training appropriately for what I'm about to go do, you know? And that's I'm about to go do, you know? And that's I'm about to go do, you know? And that's the big difference. It's less about that the big difference. It's less about that the big difference. It's less about that we're older. It's just that we just we're older. It's just that we just we're older. It's just that we just don't do any of that stuff anymore. And don't do any of that stuff anymore. And don't do any of that stuff anymore. And then I train then I train then I train >> I put gasoline on it without Yeah. >> I put gasoline on it without Yeah. >> I put gasoline on it without Yeah. >> Not necessarily. He could do he could be >> Not necessarily. He could do he could be >> Not necessarily. He could do he could be doing he could be doing like and that's doing he could be doing like and that's doing he could be doing like and that's why it's interesting to hear him do it why it's interesting to hear him do it why it's interesting to hear him do it because of all of us he's the best when because of all of us he's the best when because of all of us he's the best when it comes to like rotational strength and it comes to like rotational strength and it comes to like rotational strength and core strength and like anti-rotational core strength and like anti-rotational core strength and like anti-rotational stuff. stuff. stuff. >> Yeah. You and I probably would have >> Yeah. You and I probably would have >> Yeah. You and I probably would have herniated a disc or something. herniated a disc or something. herniated a disc or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. I've I've just learned I >> Yeah. Yeah. I've I've just learned I >> Yeah. Yeah. I've I've just learned I just don't do that. just don't do that. just don't do that. >> Yeah. I think I just overcorrected like >> Yeah. I think I just overcorrected like >> Yeah. I think I just overcorrected like so hard. so hard. so hard. >> My my big I'm so angry still about my >> My my big I'm so angry still about my >> My my big I'm so angry still about my pec tear because I did all the mobility pec tear because I did all the mobility pec tear because I did all the mobility work for my lower body cuz I'm was work for my lower body cuz I'm was work for my lower body cuz I'm was wakeboarding and so I'm just I'm not wakeboarding and so I'm just I'm not wakeboarding and so I'm just I'm not even thinking about my upper body. body. even thinking about my upper body. body. even thinking about my upper body. body. I'm thinking about my lower body. You I'm thinking about my lower body. You I'm thinking about my lower body. You know, I'm jumping, I'm carving, I'm know, I'm jumping, I'm carving, I'm know, I'm jumping, I'm carving, I'm turning, I'm doing all this stuff. Like, turning, I'm doing all this stuff. Like, turning, I'm doing all this stuff. Like, it's I need my hips, my ankles, my it's I need my hips, my ankles, my it's I need my hips, my ankles, my knees. That needs to be And I didn't knees. That needs to be And I didn't knees. That needs to be And I didn't address my upper body. And so, it was address my upper body. And so, it was address my upper body. And so, it was like on the weakest little fall. It just like on the weakest little fall. It just like on the weakest little fall. It just tore my pec. And I went, what an [ __ ] tore my pec. And I went, what an [ __ ] tore my pec. And I went, what an [ __ ] move to, you know, do all the work in my move to, you know, do all the work in my move to, you know, do all the work in my lower body and to not address my upper lower body and to not address my upper lower body and to not address my upper body and then to go out and tear my pec body and then to go out and tear my pec body and then to go out and tear my pec on like a weak fall. on like a weak fall. on like a weak fall. >> Are you doing like the BPC and all that >> Are you doing like the BPC and all that >> Are you doing like the BPC and all that now? now? now? >> Well, yeah. So that's I'm just going I >> Well, yeah. So that's I'm just going I >> Well, yeah. So that's I'm just going I just started that protocol and I'm going just started that protocol and I'm going just started that protocol and I'm going to see if that I'm sure to see if that I'm sure to see if that I'm sure >> it helps it fast. >> it helps it fast. >> it helps it fast. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> My cousin uh I was just talking to one >> My cousin uh I was just talking to one >> My cousin uh I was just talking to one of my cousins who had an ankle was just of my cousins who had an ankle was just of my cousins who had an ankle was just ankle mobility was bad and it was ankle mobility was bad and it was ankle mobility was bad and it was hurting. He started using BPC. He's hurting. He started using BPC. He's hurting. He started using BPC. He's like, "Dude, is this stuff like like how like, "Dude, is this stuff like like how like, "Dude, is this stuff like like how does this work?" Like my ankle feels does this work?" Like my ankle feels does this work?" Like my ankle feels fine. fine. fine. >> Yeah. I think I actually might just go >> Yeah. I think I actually might just go >> Yeah. I think I actually might just go to dumbbells and suspension trainer and to dumbbells and suspension trainer and to dumbbells and suspension trainer and like I I might do a phase of that like like I I might do a phase of that like like I I might do a phase of that like for a month or so. for a month or so. for a month or so. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> Just get back to like >> Just get back to like >> Just get back to like >> Well, I've got your uh your your >> Well, I've got your uh your your >> Well, I've got your uh your your peptides finally handled 15 companies peptides finally handled 15 companies peptides finally handled 15 companies later and having conversations with later and having conversations with later and having conversations with Hallelujah. Yeah. So, Hallelujah. Yeah. So, Hallelujah. Yeah. So, >> we're finally we're working with we're >> we're finally we're working with we're >> we're finally we're working with we're finally found a a better company. finally found a a better company. finally found a a better company. >> Yeah. No, the thing that was uh the most >> Yeah. No, the thing that was uh the most >> Yeah. No, the thing that was uh the most difficult part for me was one the black difficult part for me was one the black difficult part for me was one the black eye that I felt like the partnership uh eye that I felt like the partnership uh eye that I felt like the partnership uh um with transcend ended up being for us um with transcend ended up being for us um with transcend ended up being for us as a brand to the point where you know as a brand to the point where you know as a brand to the point where you know there was lots of discussion about not there was lots of discussion about not there was lots of discussion about not doing anything in that space at all. uh doing anything in that space at all. uh doing anything in that space at all. uh problem with that is that we have so problem with that is that we have so problem with that is that we have so many people that utilize peptides and many people that utilize peptides and many people that utilize peptides and and HRT and stuff like that that I feel and HRT and stuff like that that I feel and HRT and stuff like that that I feel also like uh obligated like we're doing also like uh obligated like we're doing also like uh obligated like we're doing a disservice to them to not find a good a disservice to them to not find a good a disservice to them to not find a good brand. And I went through I so in our in brand. And I went through I so in our in brand. And I went through I so in our in our mind pump hormones uh you'll see our mind pump hormones uh you'll see our mind pump hormones uh you'll see like just threads of people shouting out like just threads of people shouting out like just threads of people shouting out names and brands and companies and I names and brands and companies and I names and brands and companies and I went through all the biggest most went through all the biggest most went through all the biggest most reputable companies out there and still reputable companies out there and still reputable companies out there and still was like I I didn't feel anything until was like I I didn't feel anything until was like I I didn't feel anything until uh we met Phil and then when we met Phil uh we met Phil and then when we met Phil uh we met Phil and then when we met Phil and sat down talked and the thing that w and sat down talked and the thing that w and sat down talked and the thing that w that was so important to me was all the that was so important to me was all the that was so important to me was all the the negative things that we got was the the negative things that we got was the the negative things that we got was the pushy the pushiness on the sales side pushy the pushiness on the sales side pushy the pushiness on the sales side the uh cost the uh cost the uh cost >> the the cost right per uh everything >> the the cost right per uh everything >> the the cost right per uh everything that was on there was just like super that was on there was just like super that was on there was just like super expensive uh the delay to get expensive uh the delay to get expensive uh the delay to get medications uh the lack of communication medications uh the lack of communication medications uh the lack of communication to an actual doctor. So these were all to an actual doctor. So these were all to an actual doctor. So these were all things like I had to solve all of those things like I had to solve all of those things like I had to solve all of those if we were going to go with anybody. And if we were going to go with anybody. And if we were going to go with anybody. And so I feel really good about um that now so I feel really good about um that now so I feel really good about um that now because all of those boxes are nice are because all of those boxes are nice are because all of those boxes are nice are checked. And so, you know, the official checked. And so, you know, the official checked. And so, you know, the official announcement will come out in the MP announcement will come out in the MP announcement will come out in the MP Hormones uh forum. So, I'll probably be Hormones uh forum. So, I'll probably be Hormones uh forum. So, I'll probably be doing that later tonight. doing that later tonight. doing that later tonight. >> Are we linked up to them now if we're >> Are we linked up to them now if we're >> Are we linked up to them now if we're hormones? hormones? hormones? >> No, we're not. I mean, actually, by the >> No, we're not. I mean, actually, by the >> No, we're not. I mean, actually, by the time this episode goes live, yes, but I time this episode goes live, yes, but I time this episode goes live, yes, but I mean, if you want to know what that is, mean, if you want to know what that is, mean, if you want to know what that is, go to our our Facebook forum, MP go to our our Facebook forum, MP go to our our Facebook forum, MP Hormones. You'll see the official Hormones. You'll see the official Hormones. You'll see the official announcement in there where we'll have announcement in there where we'll have announcement in there where we'll have links and everything going on. links and everything going on. links and everything going on. >> Yes. Mindpump hormones, the page, not MP >> Yes. Mindpump hormones, the page, not MP >> Yes. Mindpump hormones, the page, not MP Hormones, Hormones, Hormones, >> mpormones.com is our link to go. So >> mpormones.com is our link to go. So >> mpormones.com is our link to go. So that'll that'll send. that'll that'll send. that'll that'll send. >> Oh, the Facebook form is not MP >> Oh, the Facebook form is not MP >> Oh, the Facebook form is not MP hormones. hormones. hormones. >> No, it's mind pumpump hormones. >> No, it's mind pumpump hormones. >> No, it's mind pumpump hormones. >> No, our link is mpormones.com. If you go >> No, our link is mpormones.com. If you go >> No, our link is mpormones.com. If you go there, then you can there, then you can there, then you can >> I thought our forum was labeled that >> I thought our forum was labeled that >> I thought our forum was labeled that also. also. also. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Oh, I was just on there yesterday and >> Oh, I was just on there yesterday and >> Oh, I was just on there yesterday and said MP hormones on it. So that's weird. said MP hormones on it. So that's weird. said MP hormones on it. So that's weird. >> So maybe that the whole Facebook name >> So maybe that the whole Facebook name >> So maybe that the whole Facebook name and link is what you're saying, but on and link is what you're saying, but on and link is what you're saying, but on the actual logo of it, it says MP the actual logo of it, it says MP the actual logo of it, it says MP Hormones. So that's something. Hormones. So that's something. Hormones. So that's something. >> Yeah, that's the logo only. >> Yeah, that's the logo only. >> Yeah, that's the logo only. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. Well, that's >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. Well, that's >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. Well, that's >> Well, they're good and and they're >> Well, they're good and and they're >> Well, they're good and and they're they're the prices are ridiculous. Yeah. they're the prices are ridiculous. Yeah. they're the prices are ridiculous. Yeah. >> Ridiculous. >> Ridiculous. >> Ridiculous. >> And we in a good way. We recorded an >> And we in a good way. We recorded an >> And we in a good way. We recorded an episode with him and he told us the episode with him and he told us the episode with him and he told us the actual cost of these things. actual cost of these things. actual cost of these things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I can't believe how much they get >> And I can't believe how much they get >> And I can't believe how much they get marked up with other companies which is marked up with other companies which is marked up with other companies which is kind of in kind of in kind of in >> so and they have no sales people. It's >> so and they have no sales people. It's >> so and they have no sales people. It's only doctors. only doctors. only doctors. >> Yeah. Um so >> Yeah. Um so >> Yeah. Um so >> yeah, I love that. I love that the >> yeah, I love that. I love that the >> yeah, I love that. I love that the membership includes quarterly meetings membership includes quarterly meetings membership includes quarterly meetings with a doctor. Every patient meets with with a doctor. Every patient meets with with a doctor. Every patient meets with a doctor. It's not a they have no sales a doctor. It's not a they have no sales a doctor. It's not a they have no sales reps. Um the prices are way less. Um reps. Um the prices are way less. Um reps. Um the prices are way less. Um you're within 48 to 72 hours you're with you're within 48 to 72 hours you're with you're within 48 to 72 hours you're with the doctor. Within 48 to 72 hours the the doctor. Within 48 to 72 hours the the doctor. Within 48 to 72 hours the medication is at your doorstep. I mean medication is at your doorstep. I mean medication is at your doorstep. I mean that stuff was just that stuff was just that stuff was just >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> those were the things that I was just >> those were the things that I was just >> those were the things that I was just like more concerned about that. And for like more concerned about that. And for like more concerned about that. And for the audience that cares, I mean this is the audience that cares, I mean this is the audience that cares, I mean this is uh this is by far uh one of the smallest uh this is by far uh one of the smallest uh this is by far uh one of the smallest offers to us. We I didn't want any ties offers to us. We I didn't want any ties offers to us. We I didn't want any ties to uh commissions or sales or anything to uh commissions or sales or anything to uh commissions or sales or anything like that whatsoever. the way we wanted like that whatsoever. the way we wanted like that whatsoever. the way we wanted to structure the partnership is that to structure the partnership is that to structure the partnership is that listen, we have a huge audience. There's listen, we have a huge audience. There's listen, we have a huge audience. There's a lot of people that use this stuff. We a lot of people that use this stuff. We a lot of people that use this stuff. We do not want to be motivated by sales or do not want to be motivated by sales or do not want to be motivated by sales or tied to that whatsoever. And so there tied to that whatsoever. And so there tied to that whatsoever. And so there were a lot of offers on the table that were a lot of offers on the table that were a lot of offers on the table that were a lot more money, but there was no were a lot more money, but there was no were a lot more money, but there was no way we were going to do business unless way we were going to do business unless way we were going to do business unless we could solve those things. And so I we could solve those things. And so I we could solve those things. And so I feel really good about it and I'm glad feel really good about it and I'm glad feel really good about it and I'm glad that uh I mean I apologize for the that uh I mean I apologize for the that uh I mean I apologize for the people that went through all the [ __ ] people that went through all the [ __ ] people that went through all the [ __ ] that they went through um with Transcend that they went through um with Transcend that they went through um with Transcend and how long it took, but I didn't want and how long it took, but I didn't want and how long it took, but I didn't want to just sign with the first company. So to just sign with the first company. So to just sign with the first company. So I feel really good about what we're I feel really good about what we're I feel really good about what we're doing now. So that's exciting. doing now. So that's exciting. doing now. 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Find out more at mindpunfitnesscoaching.com. >> Our first caller is Darren from Ontario. >> Our first caller is Darren from Ontario. >> Hey Darren, >> Hey Darren, >> Hey Darren, >> how you doing Darren? >> how you doing Darren? >> how you doing Darren? >> How you doing? >> How you doing? >> How you doing? >> Good. This is >> Good. This is >> Good. This is >> how can we help you? >> how can we help you? >> how can we help you? >> Uh so I'll start off with my email. Uh >> Uh so I'll start off with my email. Uh >> Uh so I'll start off with my email. Uh basically I hope you're all doing well. basically I hope you're all doing well. basically I hope you're all doing well. Uh, I've been reaching reaching out cuz Uh, I've been reaching reaching out cuz Uh, I've been reaching reaching out cuz I need some expert advice. Um, hitting a I need some expert advice. Um, hitting a I need some expert advice. Um, hitting a really heavy plateau. 47 soon to be 48 really heavy plateau. 47 soon to be 48 really heavy plateau. 47 soon to be 48 and been working out for years. Uh, and been working out for years. Uh, and been working out for years. Uh, lately uh just Oh jeez. You know what? lately uh just Oh jeez. You know what? lately uh just Oh jeez. You know what? It's just basically that. 47 48. I'm It's just basically that. 47 48. I'm It's just basically that. 47 48. I'm trying to figure out what to do. I've trying to figure out what to do. I've trying to figure out what to do. I've tried every routine I can think of, tried every routine I can think of, tried every routine I can think of, every supplement I can think of, and I'm every supplement I can think of, and I'm every supplement I can think of, and I'm I don't feel I'm getting the gains. But I don't feel I'm getting the gains. But I don't feel I'm getting the gains. But I know for a fact that as you get older, I know for a fact that as you get older, I know for a fact that as you get older, it's more difficult, right? So, I don't it's more difficult, right? So, I don't it's more difficult, right? So, I don't know where to go. I don't know what else know where to go. I don't know what else know where to go. I don't know what else to do. to do. to do. >> All right. Well, let's dive in a little >> All right. Well, let's dive in a little >> All right. Well, let's dive in a little bit and see what you're doing. So, um bit and see what you're doing. So, um bit and see what you're doing. So, um let's talk let's start with diet. Uh let's talk let's start with diet. Uh let's talk let's start with diet. Uh what does that look like? what does that look like? what does that look like? >> I currently I have gallstones. So, the >> I currently I have gallstones. So, the >> I currently I have gallstones. So, the amount of food I can eat, how often I amount of food I can eat, how often I amount of food I can eat, how often I can eat is limited because it just can eat is limited because it just can eat is limited because it just causes pain. So, I try to get the causes pain. So, I try to get the causes pain. So, I try to get the protein in. I try to get at least 150 in protein in. I try to get at least 150 in protein in. I try to get at least 150 in a day, 150 grams, but it is not easy. a day, 150 grams, but it is not easy. a day, 150 grams, but it is not easy. And I don't know if it's just poor And I don't know if it's just poor And I don't know if it's just poor choice of food or whatnot, but diet does choice of food or whatnot, but diet does choice of food or whatnot, but diet does need work. need work. need work. >> Okay. And is just is just low fat, high >> Okay. And is just is just low fat, high >> Okay. And is just is just low fat, high protein okay for you or is it is it like protein okay for you or is it is it like protein okay for you or is it is it like what what because I know typically it's what what because I know typically it's what what because I know typically it's fat. Okay. So all protein bothers you. fat. Okay. So all protein bothers you. fat. Okay. So all protein bothers you. >> It's not all protein. It's just it's it >> It's not all protein. It's just it's it >> It's not all protein. It's just it's it takes it's harder to dig to digest. takes it's harder to dig to digest. takes it's harder to dig to digest. >> Okay. And >> Okay. And >> Okay. And >> so I try to do basic proteins >> so I try to do basic proteins >> so I try to do basic proteins >> and you and you use uh um digestive >> and you and you use uh um digestive >> and you and you use uh um digestive enzymes when you eat fats. enzymes when you eat fats. enzymes when you eat fats. >> Yes. Yeah. Good. >> Yes. Yeah. Good. >> Yes. Yeah. Good. >> Bile salts I believe is one of them. >> Bile salts I believe is one of them. >> Bile salts I believe is one of them. >> Yeah. Good. Okay. So lean proteins are >> Yeah. Good. Okay. So lean proteins are >> Yeah. Good. Okay. So lean proteins are typically good with gallstones in my typically good with gallstones in my typically good with gallstones in my experience. And uh protein shakes, does experience. And uh protein shakes, does experience. And uh protein shakes, does those work for you? those work for you? those work for you? >> Yep, those I have no issue with. >> Yep, those I have no issue with. >> Yep, those I have no issue with. >> Okay, good. So, and what's your target >> Okay, good. So, and what's your target >> Okay, good. So, and what's your target body weight? body weight? body weight? >> Uh it's like 190. >> Uh it's like 190. >> Uh it's like 190. >> Okay. Would adding another shake be >> Okay. Would adding another shake be >> Okay. Would adding another shake be okay? Like a 40 gram shake? Okay. So, okay? Like a 40 gram shake? Okay. So, okay? Like a 40 gram shake? Okay. So, >> I would start there with your diet. Do >> I would start there with your diet. Do >> I would start there with your diet. Do you know what your calories look like? you know what your calories look like? you know what your calories look like? >> No, I don't track macros that crazy. >> No, I don't track macros that crazy. >> No, I don't track macros that crazy. >> Okay. And then and now the progress >> Okay. And then and now the progress >> Okay. And then and now the progress you're looking for is muscle building. you're looking for is muscle building. you're looking for is muscle building. Is it fat loss? it for the longest time Is it fat loss? it for the longest time Is it fat loss? it for the longest time it was muscle building but like I said it was muscle building but like I said it was muscle building but like I said I'm getting to the higher ages so I just I'm getting to the higher ages so I just I'm getting to the higher ages so I just want strength gains and longevity like want strength gains and longevity like want strength gains and longevity like so I've done several tough mutters I've so I've done several tough mutters I've so I've done several tough mutters I've done a Spartan Beast I've done a lot of done a Spartan Beast I've done a lot of done a Spartan Beast I've done a lot of OCRs OCRs OCRs so I need running in it as well so I so I need running in it as well so I so I need running in it as well so I know the muscle gain you guys had a know the muscle gain you guys had a know the muscle gain you guys had a podcast like uh beginning of January podcast like uh beginning of January podcast like uh beginning of January where you were mentioning about trying where you were mentioning about trying where you were mentioning about trying to stay a runner and big at the same to stay a runner and big at the same to stay a runner and big at the same time is almost impossible time is almost impossible time is almost impossible >> so I'm kind of at the point now where >> so I'm kind of at the point now where >> so I'm kind of at the point now where I'm just like good enough to be healthy I'm just like good enough to be healthy I'm just like good enough to be healthy good enough to have thumb size good good enough to have thumb size good good enough to have thumb size good enough to be in shape. enough to be in shape. enough to be in shape. >> Okay. So, this would be a nice mix uh >> Okay. So, this would be a nice mix uh >> Okay. So, this would be a nice mix uh program. How many days a week are you program. How many days a week are you program. How many days a week are you training now? And what does that look training now? And what does that look training now? And what does that look like? like? like? >> I do PPL right now and one day as a run >> I do PPL right now and one day as a run >> I do PPL right now and one day as a run >> and that's four days. >> and that's four days. >> and that's four days. >> So, four days a week of lifting weights >> So, four days a week of lifting weights >> So, four days a week of lifting weights plus one day of strength training. plus one day of strength training. plus one day of strength training. >> No pushing. >> No pushing. >> No pushing. >> Three days lifting and one day running. >> Three days lifting and one day running. >> Three days lifting and one day running. >> Oh, that's only four. Well, that's not >> Oh, that's only four. Well, that's not >> Oh, that's only four. Well, that's not bad. bad. bad. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I can do more. I just That's That's the >> I can do more. I just That's That's the >> I can do more. I just That's That's the current routine. current routine. current routine. >> How's your activity outside of those >> How's your activity outside of those >> How's your activity outside of those exercise days? Like what do you do you exercise days? Like what do you do you exercise days? Like what do you do you ever see your steps like are you active ever see your steps like are you active ever see your steps like are you active throughout the day? throughout the day? throughout the day? >> The I work Friday, Saturday, Sunday 12 >> The I work Friday, Saturday, Sunday 12 >> The I work Friday, Saturday, Sunday 12 hours and I'm usually putting in 15,000 hours and I'm usually putting in 15,000 hours and I'm usually putting in 15,000 steps. steps. steps. >> Okay, you move a lot. Okay, that's good. >> Okay, you move a lot. Okay, that's good. >> Okay, you move a lot. Okay, that's good. >> And then tell me about the PPL. How how >> And then tell me about the PPL. How how >> And then tell me about the PPL. How how long are you in the gym and what are you long are you in the gym and what are you long are you in the gym and what are you doing? doing? doing? >> Usually 45 to an hour 15 and it's your >> Usually 45 to an hour 15 and it's your >> Usually 45 to an hour 15 and it's your basic AI generated pro routine. It's not basic AI generated pro routine. It's not basic AI generated pro routine. It's not the best. Okay, the best. Okay, the best. Okay, >> I'm going to be honest with you. >> I'm going to be honest with you. >> I'm going to be honest with you. >> Yeah. So, two things I would do right >> Yeah. So, two things I would do right >> Yeah. So, two things I would do right out the gates is I would I would have out the gates is I would I would have out the gates is I would I would have you switch to a different program. You you switch to a different program. You you switch to a different program. You can keep the running. I would do can keep the running. I would do can keep the running. I would do something like MAPS 15, something like MAPS 15, something like MAPS 15, >> which is daily but short. >> which is daily but short. >> which is daily but short. >> Uh, and I would bump the protein. Uh, >> Uh, and I would bump the protein. Uh, >> Uh, and I would bump the protein. Uh, but tracking might be something you but tracking might be something you but tracking might be something you might want to start doing, tracking your might want to start doing, tracking your might want to start doing, tracking your calories or macros calories or macros calories or macros >> just to see where you're at >> just to see where you're at >> just to see where you're at >> because otherwise it's kind of a >> because otherwise it's kind of a >> because otherwise it's kind of a guessing game. guessing game. guessing game. >> Well, yeah. This is why this is so >> Well, yeah. This is why this is so >> Well, yeah. This is why this is so important s too is that if you're doing important s too is that if you're doing important s too is that if you're doing things like tough mutters and spartans things like tough mutters and spartans things like tough mutters and spartans and you're running and you're low and you're running and you're low and you're running and you're low protein and you're low calorie, this is protein and you're low calorie, this is protein and you're low calorie, this is like a recipe for a hard plateau cuz like a recipe for a hard plateau cuz like a recipe for a hard plateau cuz then the body is not getting enough of then the body is not getting enough of then the body is not getting enough of the fuel that it needs to build and and the fuel that it needs to build and and the fuel that it needs to build and and nutrients it needs to build muscle. It's nutrients it needs to build muscle. It's nutrients it needs to build muscle. It's barely getting enough fuel to do all the barely getting enough fuel to do all the barely getting enough fuel to do all the activity that you're doing. And so it's activity that you're doing. And so it's activity that you're doing. And so it's just hanging on. And so that's a and so just hanging on. And so that's a and so just hanging on. And so that's a and so figuring that out would really help figuring that out would really help figuring that out would really help because then it would be like like let's because then it would be like like let's because then it would be like like let's just take your example like if if I find just take your example like if if I find just take your example like if if I find out we actually tracked and we find out out we actually tracked and we find out out we actually tracked and we find out you're eating 130 120 to 130 grams of you're eating 130 120 to 130 grams of you're eating 130 120 to 130 grams of protein a day and you're only eating protein a day and you're only eating protein a day and you're only eating 2100 to 2,300 calories and you're 2100 to 2,300 calories and you're 2100 to 2,300 calories and you're stepping as much as you are. We're we're stepping as much as you are. We're we're stepping as much as you are. We're we're at a hard plateau and we need a reverse at a hard plateau and we need a reverse at a hard plateau and we need a reverse diet. Like I've got to we've got to we diet. Like I've got to we've got to we diet. Like I've got to we've got to we got to back off all the volume. We got got to back off all the volume. We got got to back off all the volume. We got to slowly increase calories. We got to to slowly increase calories. We got to to slowly increase calories. We got to try and get the protein up and we got to try and get the protein up and we got to try and get the protein up and we got to build some muscle if we want to speed build some muscle if we want to speed build some muscle if we want to speed your metabolism up. Otherwise, that's your metabolism up. Otherwise, that's your metabolism up. Otherwise, that's what's going on. And that's super common what's going on. And that's super common what's going on. And that's super common by the way is like somebody finds what by the way is like somebody finds what by the way is like somebody finds what and I just gave some random numbers. It and I just gave some random numbers. It and I just gave some random numbers. It could still even be higher than that and could still even be higher than that and could still even be higher than that and we need to do that. But like that's we need to do that. But like that's we need to do that. But like that's typically when I hear somebody is doing typically when I hear somebody is doing typically when I hear somebody is doing all the act as active as you are all the act as active as you are all the act as active as you are training what you're doing right now. If training what you're doing right now. If training what you're doing right now. If we're struggling with protein intake and we're struggling with protein intake and we're struggling with protein intake and we're our calories are low, that is like we're our calories are low, that is like we're our calories are low, that is like a recipe for like just your body kind of a recipe for like just your body kind of a recipe for like just your body kind of staying right there. And I wouldn't be staying right there. And I wouldn't be staying right there. And I wouldn't be surprised if the if a MAPS 15 protocol surprised if the if a MAPS 15 protocol surprised if the if a MAPS 15 protocol actually I think that's probably going actually I think that's probably going actually I think that's probably going to you're going to see some strength to you're going to see some strength to you're going to see some strength gains from doing that gains from doing that gains from doing that >> just that alone. >> just that alone. >> just that alone. >> Yeah. PPL >> Yeah. PPL >> Yeah. PPL >> and adding your protein >> and adding your protein >> and adding your protein >> p's okay but you you know high volume >> p's okay but you you know high volume >> p's okay but you you know high volume once a week versus volume spread out once a week versus volume spread out once a week versus volume spread out throughout the whole week. And with throughout the whole week. And with throughout the whole week. And with active individuals these kind of small active individuals these kind of small active individuals these kind of small short daily strength training workouts short daily strength training workouts short daily strength training workouts seem to work a lot better. They just do. seem to work a lot better. They just do. seem to work a lot better. They just do. And just people just tend to get way And just people just tend to get way And just people just tend to get way better progress better progress better progress >> with something like that. So I'll send >> with something like that. So I'll send >> with something like that. So I'll send you that program and you can follow you that program and you can follow you that program and you can follow that. And you have a home gym or do you that. And you have a home gym or do you that. And you have a home gym or do you go you go to the gym? go you go to the gym? go you go to the gym? >> I got a full home gym. So I'm basically >> I got a full home gym. So I'm basically >> I got a full home gym. So I'm basically on my own. I don't have the the group of on my own. I don't have the the group of on my own. I don't have the the group of people to help push. So some days it's people to help push. So some days it's people to help push. So some days it's difficult, difficult, difficult, >> but I I just, you know, I I do what I >> but I I just, you know, I I do what I >> but I I just, you know, I I do what I can because I know I need to. can because I know I need to. can because I know I need to. >> Oh, you'll love it. >> Oh, you'll love it. >> Oh, you'll love it. >> Yeah, that's better. You'll love it. >> Yeah, that's better. You'll love it. >> Yeah, that's better. You'll love it. That's better. It's two lifts a day. That's better. It's two lifts a day. That's better. It's two lifts a day. >> You go in there and you do two lifts and >> You go in there and you do two lifts and >> You go in there and you do two lifts and you get out every day. you get out every day. you get out every day. >> I I honestly think switching back. >> I I honestly think switching back. >> I I honestly think switching back. That's not an issue at all. That's not an issue at all. That's not an issue at all. >> Yeah. Yeah. I max 15, bump the the >> Yeah. Yeah. I max 15, bump the the >> Yeah. Yeah. I max 15, bump the the protein shake in there. I think you protein shake in there. I think you protein shake in there. I think you should see a difference just from that should see a difference just from that should see a difference just from that alone. Yeah. And then and then I would I alone. Yeah. And then and then I would I alone. Yeah. And then and then I would I would track to get an idea where we're would track to get an idea where we're would track to get an idea where we're at calorie-wise. Darren, are you in our at calorie-wise. Darren, are you in our at calorie-wise. Darren, are you in our forum, too, or No. forum, too, or No. forum, too, or No. >> No, I'm not. >> No, I'm not. >> No, I'm not. >> I'm going to have Doug put you in our >> I'm going to have Doug put you in our >> I'm going to have Doug put you in our private forum and then I I'd love an private forum and then I I'd love an private forum and then I I'd love an update from Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll send update from Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll send update from Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll send the program over to you, get you in the the program over to you, get you in the the program over to you, get you in the forum, forum, forum, >> and then just give us kind of an update >> and then just give us kind of an update >> and then just give us kind of an update after a couple weeks of following the after a couple weeks of following the after a couple weeks of following the program, bumping the protein, and then program, bumping the protein, and then program, bumping the protein, and then we'll kind of see where you're at from we'll kind of see where you're at from we'll kind of see where you're at from there, and then we can make adjustments. there, and then we can make adjustments. there, and then we can make adjustments. And and Darren, if you want something And and Darren, if you want something And and Darren, if you want something more individualized, if you want some more individualized, if you want some more individualized, if you want some coaching through the process, you can coaching through the process, you can coaching through the process, you can send us a message and I'll get one of my send us a message and I'll get one of my send us a message and I'll get one of my coaches online with a much larger coaches online with a much larger coaches online with a much larger investment, but they're there with you investment, but they're there with you investment, but they're there with you the whole time individualizing it. the whole time individualizing it. the whole time individualizing it. >> And that's always, of course, the best >> And that's always, of course, the best >> And that's always, of course, the best option. But you let us know if that's option. But you let us know if that's option. But you let us know if that's something you're interested in. something you're interested in. something you're interested in. Otherwise, Otherwise, Otherwise, >> I go mass 15 protein. Uh, and you should >> I go mass 15 protein. Uh, and you should >> I go mass 15 protein. Uh, and you should see strength gains within two weeks. If see strength gains within two weeks. If see strength gains within two weeks. If it's working, that's what you'll see. it's working, that's what you'll see. it's working, that's what you'll see. >> Perfect. So, double double shakes and >> Perfect. So, double double shakes and >> Perfect. So, double double shakes and maps 15. I can definitely handle that. maps 15. I can definitely handle that. maps 15. I can definitely handle that. All right, dude. I'll send that to you. All right, dude. I'll send that to you. All right, dude. I'll send that to you. >> Yeah. Yeah. check in with us in the >> Yeah. Yeah. check in with us in the >> Yeah. Yeah. check in with us in the forum, brother. forum, brother. forum, brother. >> I will. I appreciate everything you guys >> I will. I appreciate everything you guys >> I will. I appreciate everything you guys do. Been listening to you for years. So, do. Been listening to you for years. So, do. Been listening to you for years. So, thank you. thank you. thank you. >> Right on, Dar. >> Right on, Dar. >> Right on, Dar. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> You know, with this with the It's >> You know, with this with the It's >> You know, with this with the It's interesting, right, when you look at the interesting, right, when you look at the interesting, right, when you look at the data on strength training, uh when even data on strength training, uh when even data on strength training, uh when even the one the volume's controlled, doing the one the volume's controlled, doing the one the volume's controlled, doing it all in one workout versus two and it all in one workout versus two and it all in one workout versus two and three, you tend to see better gains uh three, you tend to see better gains uh three, you tend to see better gains uh even in the control data with more even in the control data with more even in the control data with more frequent Yeah. splitting it up. frequent Yeah. splitting it up. frequent Yeah. splitting it up. >> But in my experience, it's even better >> But in my experience, it's even better >> But in my experience, it's even better than that. Uh people tend to be more than that. Uh people tend to be more than that. Uh people tend to be more consistent. They tend to be less consistent. They tend to be less consistent. They tend to be less fatigued. It works with people's fatigued. It works with people's fatigued. It works with people's schedules better, builds better schedules better, builds better schedules better, builds better behaviors. behaviors. behaviors. >> Um, and I I believe as you get older, it >> Um, and I I believe as you get older, it >> Um, and I I believe as you get older, it becomes even more valuable. Uh, because becomes even more valuable. Uh, because becomes even more valuable. Uh, because fatigue sets in so much. If I'm doing 15 fatigue sets in so much. If I'm doing 15 fatigue sets in so much. If I'm doing 15 sets in one workout versus five sets, sets in one workout versus five sets, sets in one workout versus five sets, three workouts, or even, you know, two three workouts, or even, you know, two three workouts, or even, you know, two sets, you know, five workouts, whatever. sets, you know, five workouts, whatever. sets, you know, five workouts, whatever. >> I think I think really like our >> I think I think really like our >> I think I think really like our environment has impacted this a lot. I environment has impacted this a lot. I environment has impacted this a lot. I think back in the day, you know, it think back in the day, you know, it think back in the day, you know, it might have made more sense to to might have made more sense to to might have made more sense to to dedicate this hour to two hours at the dedicate this hour to two hours at the dedicate this hour to two hours at the gym, but now, you know, with everybody's gym, but now, you know, with everybody's gym, but now, you know, with everybody's lifestyle, like this makes so much more lifestyle, like this makes so much more lifestyle, like this makes so much more sense to sense to sense to >> not impede on it. I'd bet my last dollar >> not impede on it. I'd bet my last dollar >> not impede on it. I'd bet my last dollar it's what I said. it's what I said. it's what I said. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Protein, >> Protein, >> Protein, >> low protein, low calorie, lots of >> low protein, low calorie, lots of >> low protein, low calorie, lots of activity. activity. activity. >> He said the gallbladder stone thing. So, >> He said the gallbladder stone thing. So, >> He said the gallbladder stone thing. So, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> he's not he's not eating enough >> he's not he's not eating enough >> he's not he's not eating enough probably. Well, yeah. He said he tries probably. Well, yeah. He said he tries probably. Well, yeah. He said he tries to hit 150, which tells if he's to hit 150, which tells if he's to hit 150, which tells if he's >> probably closer to 120, >> probably closer to 120, >> probably closer to 120, >> which is means he's probably 120 or less >> which is means he's probably 120 or less >> which is means he's probably 120 or less many days, which means he's probably many days, which means he's probably many days, which means he's probably pretty low calorie, too. He's stepping pretty low calorie, too. He's stepping pretty low calorie, too. He's stepping 15,000 steps a day. He's uh running one 15,000 steps a day. He's uh running one 15,000 steps a day. He's uh running one day a week and he's doing a pushpull day a week and he's doing a pushpull day a week and he's doing a pushpull routine that takes an hour long. Oh, routine that takes an hour long. Oh, routine that takes an hour long. Oh, yeah. yeah. yeah. >> I guarantee he's he's and that and that, >> I guarantee he's he's and that and that, >> I guarantee he's he's and that and that, let's just say his his his diet is clean let's just say his his his diet is clean let's just say his his his diet is clean and perfect on those days. And then and perfect on those days. And then and perfect on those days. And then occasionally he has something o over occasionally he has something o over occasionally he has something o over that's not good for him. And he knows that's not good for him. And he knows that's not good for him. And he knows that. And that's a just a recipe for that. And that's a just a recipe for that. And that's a just a recipe for your body just kind of staying right your body just kind of staying right your body just kind of staying right there. You're not lean. You're not there. You're not lean. You're not there. You're not lean. You're not leaning out. You're not building any leaning out. You're not building any leaning out. You're not building any muscle. You're not seeing any results. muscle. You're not seeing any results. muscle. You're not seeing any results. But he's sustaining. He's able to do the But he's sustaining. He's able to do the But he's sustaining. He's able to do the stuff he's doing, but he's not he's not stuff he's doing, but he's not he's not stuff he's doing, but he's not he's not getting the change he wants. I I'm getting the change he wants. I I'm getting the change he wants. I I'm willing to bet he he's landing in the willing to bet he he's landing in the willing to bet he he's landing in the lower 2,000 calorie range, maybe mid or lower 2,000 calorie range, maybe mid or lower 2,000 calorie range, maybe mid or really low on the days he eats well. And really low on the days he eats well. And really low on the days he eats well. And then when days when he kind of goes up, then when days when he kind of goes up, then when days when he kind of goes up, >> it averages out to what you're saying. >> it averages out to what you're saying. >> it averages out to what you're saying. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. >> Our next caller is Craig from Georgia. >> Our next caller is Craig from Georgia. >> Our next caller is Craig from Georgia. >> What's up, Craig? >> What's up, Craig? >> What's up, Craig? >> How you doing, Craig? >> How you doing, Craig? >> How you doing, Craig? >> Hey, how's it going, guys? >> Hey, how's it going, guys? >> Hey, how's it going, guys? >> How you doing? >> How you doing? >> How you doing? >> Good, man. How can we help you? >> Good, man. How can we help you? >> Good, man. How can we help you? >> Uh, doing pretty good. Uh, you know, >> Uh, doing pretty good. Uh, you know, >> Uh, doing pretty good. Uh, you know, first of all, thanks for everything you first of all, thanks for everything you first of all, thanks for everything you guys do. Um, I kind of think of myself guys do. Um, I kind of think of myself guys do. Um, I kind of think of myself as an OG. I've been listening probably as an OG. I've been listening probably as an OG. I've been listening probably since 2017 or so. Maybe not original, since 2017 or so. Maybe not original, since 2017 or so. Maybe not original, but that's pretty close. but that's pretty close. but that's pretty close. >> That is that is there. >> That is that is there. >> That is that is there. >> Um, and so yeah, so I've written in a >> Um, and so yeah, so I've written in a >> Um, and so yeah, so I've written in a few questions. you guys chose uh this few questions. you guys chose uh this few questions. you guys chose uh this one after many years. It's probably the one after many years. It's probably the one after many years. It's probably the easiest one I've asked, but that's okay. easiest one I've asked, but that's okay. easiest one I've asked, but that's okay. Um I I have lots of y'all's programs and Um I I have lots of y'all's programs and Um I I have lots of y'all's programs and so thank you for that. Um because after so thank you for that. Um because after so thank you for that. Um because after many many years of training, um it takes many many years of training, um it takes many many years of training, um it takes the guesswork out and so y'all make the guesswork out and so y'all make the guesswork out and so y'all make solid programs and so I normally just solid programs and so I normally just solid programs and so I normally just follow them um from anabolic to, you follow them um from anabolic to, you follow them um from anabolic to, you know, split to performance, all of them. know, split to performance, all of them. know, split to performance, all of them. Um, and so I'm running through Anabolic Um, and so I'm running through Anabolic Um, and so I'm running through Anabolic Advanced right now, Advanced right now, Advanced right now, >> um, for the second time. I probably got >> um, for the second time. I probably got >> um, for the second time. I probably got it right after you guys released it. Um, it right after you guys released it. Um, it right after you guys released it. Um, and I have a question about priming for and I have a question about priming for and I have a question about priming for the failure days and and and warming up the failure days and and and warming up the failure days and and and warming up for those. for those. for those. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, I've been training for probably 28 >> So, I've been training for probably 28 >> So, I've been training for probably 28 years or so. Um, pretty high absolute years or so. Um, pretty high absolute years or so. Um, pretty high absolute strength and strength endurance. And so strength and strength endurance. And so strength and strength endurance. And so when I warm up and it says to to do one when I warm up and it says to to do one when I warm up and it says to to do one or two warm-up sets, um I find I'm not or two warm-up sets, um I find I'm not or two warm-up sets, um I find I'm not really warm after one or two warm-up really warm after one or two warm-up really warm after one or two warm-up sets. And so I've tried a few different sets. And so I've tried a few different sets. And so I've tried a few different mechanisms, either doing fewer reps mechanisms, either doing fewer reps mechanisms, either doing fewer reps with, you know, more sets to get to a with, you know, more sets to get to a with, you know, more sets to get to a heavier load um before I hit my failure heavier load um before I hit my failure heavier load um before I hit my failure sets. Um I've tried just doing, you sets. Um I've tried just doing, you sets. Um I've tried just doing, you know, straight sets, working up until I know, straight sets, working up until I know, straight sets, working up until I feel like I'm fatigued. But then the feel like I'm fatigued. But then the feel like I'm fatigued. But then the total volume gets really, really high. total volume gets really, really high. total volume gets really, really high. Um, I normally leave out the optional Um, I normally leave out the optional Um, I normally leave out the optional exercises because the volume's too high, exercises because the volume's too high, exercises because the volume's too high, which um, I've learned over time. In my which um, I've learned over time. In my which um, I've learned over time. In my 40s, I I should be doing less. Um, and 40s, I I should be doing less. Um, and 40s, I I should be doing less. Um, and I'll just reiterate what you guys always I'll just reiterate what you guys always I'll just reiterate what you guys always say. 15 is probably my favorite program say. 15 is probably my favorite program say. 15 is probably my favorite program >> because that's what I find is the best. >> because that's what I find is the best. >> because that's what I find is the best. And so, yeah, I just want you guys input And so, yeah, I just want you guys input And so, yeah, I just want you guys input on on how you prepare or what your on on how you prepare or what your on on how you prepare or what your intent was on preparing for those sets. intent was on preparing for those sets. intent was on preparing for those sets. >> Yeah. No, good good question. I'll give >> Yeah. No, good good question. I'll give >> Yeah. No, good good question. I'll give you a little context, Craig. Obviously, you a little context, Craig. Obviously, you a little context, Craig. Obviously, you're a big guy. You're strong. I see you're a big guy. You're strong. I see you're a big guy. You're strong. I see some of the numbers you sent us uh if some of the numbers you sent us uh if some of the numbers you sent us uh if you don't mind me going over them. But you don't mind me going over them. But you don't mind me going over them. But yeah, you know, like you know, you're yeah, you know, like you know, you're yeah, you know, like you know, you're doing your dumbbell chest press, you doing your dumbbell chest press, you doing your dumbbell chest press, you know, 100 plus pound dumbbells, back know, 100 plus pound dumbbells, back know, 100 plus pound dumbbells, back squats over 400 lb. And so squats over 400 lb. And so squats over 400 lb. And so >> with with Maps Anabolic Advanced, you do >> with with Maps Anabolic Advanced, you do >> with with Maps Anabolic Advanced, you do a couple warm-up sets and then you go to a couple warm-up sets and then you go to a couple warm-up sets and then you go to failure. But you're so strong that it failure. But you're so strong that it failure. But you're so strong that it takes you longer to warm up. I mean, you takes you longer to warm up. I mean, you takes you longer to warm up. I mean, you just jump into a back, you know, back just jump into a back, you know, back just jump into a back, you know, back squats with 400 lb, go to failure. The squats with 400 lb, go to failure. The squats with 400 lb, go to failure. The risk of injury is always higher. It's risk of injury is always higher. It's risk of injury is always higher. It's always much higher uh when you're always much higher uh when you're always much higher uh when you're lifting that much weight. And so you do lifting that much weight. And so you do lifting that much weight. And so you do as many sets as you need to feel ready. as many sets as you need to feel ready. as many sets as you need to feel ready. >> That's >> That's >> That's >> And now here's the thing with the >> And now here's the thing with the >> And now here's the thing with the volume. volume. volume. >> It it's not a lot of volume if it's a >> It it's not a lot of volume if it's a >> It it's not a lot of volume if it's a warm-up set. What you don't want to do warm-up set. What you don't want to do warm-up set. What you don't want to do are working sets. So sometimes a warm-up are working sets. So sometimes a warm-up are working sets. So sometimes a warm-up set set set >> is looks more like a set. >> is looks more like a set. >> is looks more like a set. >> And so when I'm working up, let's say >> And so when I'm working up, let's say >> And so when I'm working up, let's say I'm going to do a set of failure to I'm going to do a set of failure to I'm going to do a set of failure to squats, uh, I just keep ramping up and squats, uh, I just keep ramping up and squats, uh, I just keep ramping up and the intensity is like light moderate and the intensity is like light moderate and the intensity is like light moderate and I just keep going until I feel like, I just keep going until I feel like, I just keep going until I feel like, yeah, I'm ready. yeah, I'm ready. yeah, I'm ready. >> And sometimes that takes five. It takes, >> And sometimes that takes five. It takes, >> And sometimes that takes five. It takes, it depends on the exercise. Squats, it it depends on the exercise. Squats, it it depends on the exercise. Squats, it could take as many as six. Yeah. could take as many as six. Yeah. could take as many as six. Yeah. >> Uh when I'm doing a press, it might be >> Uh when I'm doing a press, it might be >> Uh when I'm doing a press, it might be three or four. If I'm doing a row, I three or four. If I'm doing a row, I three or four. If I'm doing a row, I could warm up real fast for some reason. could warm up real fast for some reason. could warm up real fast for some reason. So, take as many as you need uh before So, take as many as you need uh before So, take as many as you need uh before you get to failure, but don't make them you get to failure, but don't make them you get to failure, but don't make them work. work. work. >> Yeah. Keep the reps. So, like when I'm >> Yeah. Keep the reps. So, like when I'm >> Yeah. Keep the reps. So, like when I'm working up to a heavy squat like that or working up to a heavy squat like that or working up to a heavy squat like that or he heavy deadlift, the I'm going from a he heavy deadlift, the I'm going from a he heavy deadlift, the I'm going from a plate to two plates to three plates, plate to two plates to three plates, plate to two plates to three plates, right? But I'm only doing five reps. right? But I'm only doing five reps. right? But I'm only doing five reps. like I'm not I'm not going to do 10 even like I'm not I'm not going to do 10 even like I'm not I'm not going to do 10 even though I could do 15 reps of the three though I could do 15 reps of the three though I could do 15 reps of the three plates. I I'm not going to do that. I plates. I I'm not going to do that. I plates. I I'm not going to do that. I don't want to get fatigued at all and don't want to get fatigued at all and don't want to get fatigued at all and but I do want to get my body acclimated but I do want to get my body acclimated but I do want to get my body acclimated to a little more weight, a little more to a little more weight, a little more to a little more weight, a little more weight, and then I get to my working weight, and then I get to my working weight, and then I get to my working set. And so S's right like when we write set. And so S's right like when we write set. And so S's right like when we write these programs, we're thinking of the these programs, we're thinking of the these programs, we're thinking of the general population, not someone like you general population, not someone like you general population, not someone like you per se. And so if I was coaching you per se. And so if I was coaching you per se. And so if I was coaching you would be like, "Oh, we could take we would be like, "Oh, we could take we would be like, "Oh, we could take we could take a few more warm-up sets to could take a few more warm-up sets to could take a few more warm-up sets to get ready to put 400 lb on our back." get ready to put 400 lb on our back." get ready to put 400 lb on our back." That's totally understandable. Yeah. That's totally understandable. Yeah. That's totally understandable. Yeah. >> Yeah. And here's the other thing I'll >> Yeah. And here's the other thing I'll >> Yeah. And here's the other thing I'll tell I'll say to someone like you. tell I'll say to someone like you. tell I'll say to someone like you. You're so you're so strong. You're so you're so strong. You're so you're so strong. >> Uh instead of doing 405 for 19 because >> Uh instead of doing 405 for 19 because >> Uh instead of doing 405 for 19 because that's what you wrote up there, which is that's what you wrote up there, which is that's what you wrote up there, which is that's a lot. Uh I would go 405 or 375 that's a lot. Uh I would go 405 or 375 that's a lot. Uh I would go 405 or 375 and I would make it I'd make myself fail and I would make it I'd make myself fail and I would make it I'd make myself fail way earlier by pausing. Yeah. way earlier by pausing. Yeah. way earlier by pausing. Yeah. >> By going slow because that you're going >> By going slow because that you're going >> By going slow because that you're going to get minimal returns on getting to get minimal returns on getting to get minimal returns on getting stronger at this point. I mean, if you stronger at this point. I mean, if you stronger at this point. I mean, if you get your squat from 405 for 19 reps to get your squat from 405 for 19 reps to get your squat from 405 for 19 reps to 425 for 19, you're not going to see tons 425 for 19, you're not going to see tons 425 for 19, you're not going to see tons of gains, but your risk of injury went of gains, but your risk of injury went of gains, but your risk of injury went through the roof because it's a lot of through the roof because it's a lot of through the roof because it's a lot of weight. So, I'm just, you know, when it weight. So, I'm just, you know, when it weight. So, I'm just, you know, when it depending on the exercise, I'm like, I'm depending on the exercise, I'm like, I'm depending on the exercise, I'm like, I'm not adding weight. I'm going to just not adding weight. I'm going to just not adding weight. I'm going to just make it feel harder. And so, I'm slowing make it feel harder. And so, I'm slowing make it feel harder. And so, I'm slowing down. I'm pausing at the bottom. I'm down. I'm pausing at the bottom. I'm down. I'm pausing at the bottom. I'm squeezing like, can I make myself fail squeezing like, can I make myself fail squeezing like, can I make myself fail at 10 with this weight? That's my at 10 with this weight? That's my at 10 with this weight? That's my mentality. mentality. mentality. >> That's funny. I was just going to say >> That's funny. I was just going to say >> That's funny. I was just going to say that. But also too, even in the warm up that. But also too, even in the warm up that. But also too, even in the warm up in the uh warm-up sets, uh grip in the in the uh warm-up sets, uh grip in the in the uh warm-up sets, uh grip in the bar extra tight, adding a lot more bar extra tight, adding a lot more bar extra tight, adding a lot more tension uh as you're going through those tension uh as you're going through those tension uh as you're going through those reps like all the way down the kinetic reps like all the way down the kinetic reps like all the way down the kinetic chain. So, you're even maybe a little chain. So, you're even maybe a little chain. So, you're even maybe a little bit of a pause just to make sure you bit of a pause just to make sure you bit of a pause just to make sure you know you're getting everything really know you're getting everything really know you're getting everything really fired up. Like there's a way to do that fired up. Like there's a way to do that fired up. Like there's a way to do that like intrinsically versus just kind of like intrinsically versus just kind of like intrinsically versus just kind of going through uh the sets and trying to going through uh the sets and trying to going through uh the sets and trying to work your way up to that warm-up. work your way up to that warm-up. work your way up to that warm-up. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Yeah, I like I like that. I like all >> Yeah, I like I like that. I like all >> Yeah, I like I like that. I like all those ideas. cuz those are always good. those ideas. cuz those are always good. those ideas. cuz those are always good. I'm always trying to mix things up I'm always trying to mix things up I'm always trying to mix things up there. Um, so I appreciate you guys there. Um, so I appreciate you guys there. Um, so I appreciate you guys giving me that insight. Sometimes it's giving me that insight. Sometimes it's giving me that insight. Sometimes it's good to just get in your heads and and good to just get in your heads and and good to just get in your heads and and see where you're thinking, but I love see where you're thinking, but I love see where you're thinking, but I love all of y'all's programs. all of y'all's programs. all of y'all's programs. >> Yeah, I appreciate that, man. >> Yeah, I appreciate that, man. >> Yeah, I appreciate that, man. >> I stopped writing my own programs >> I stopped writing my own programs >> I stopped writing my own programs probably about 5 years ago. And so I probably about 5 years ago. And so I probably about 5 years ago. And so I just cycle through you guys and I'm just cycle through you guys and I'm just cycle through you guys and I'm pointing people to you guys all the pointing people to you guys all the pointing people to you guys all the time. time. time. >> Um, if you got a couple more minutes, I >> Um, if you got a couple more minutes, I >> Um, if you got a couple more minutes, I have another follow-up question. Yeah, have another follow-up question. Yeah, have another follow-up question. Yeah, >> let's go. Um, it's it's related to uh >> let's go. Um, it's it's related to uh >> let's go. Um, it's it's related to uh training youth actually. training youth actually. training youth actually. So, my son is in sixth grade. Um, he's So, my son is in sixth grade. Um, he's So, my son is in sixth grade. Um, he's actually uh a pretty high level actually uh a pretty high level actually uh a pretty high level powerlter for an 11-year-old. Oh, cool. powerlter for an 11-year-old. Oh, cool. powerlter for an 11-year-old. Oh, cool. Awesome. Okay. Awesome. Okay. Awesome. Okay. >> But I started doing a a Bible and a >> But I started doing a a Bible and a >> But I started doing a a Bible and a Bible and barbell club with him and his Bible and barbell club with him and his Bible and barbell club with him and his buddies. Um, and so I was curious your buddies. Um, and so I was curious your buddies. Um, and so I was curious your thoughts, and this maybe goes more to thoughts, and this maybe goes more to thoughts, and this maybe goes more to Justin because I know he's done some of Justin because I know he's done some of Justin because I know he's done some of this in the past. I'm doing like this in the past. I'm doing like this in the past. I'm doing like 45minute Bible study, and then we do 45minute Bible study, and then we do 45minute Bible study, and then we do like 45 minutes of lifting. And so I've like 45 minutes of lifting. And so I've like 45 minutes of lifting. And so I've been playing around with rotating the been playing around with rotating the been playing around with rotating the major lifts um you know one week versus major lifts um you know one week versus major lifts um you know one week versus the next. But I wanted your idea. Is it the next. But I wanted your idea. Is it the next. But I wanted your idea. Is it better to do that or you think I should better to do that or you think I should better to do that or you think I should just say okay I'm going to spend four just say okay I'm going to spend four just say okay I'm going to spend four weeks focusing on squats and we're just weeks focusing on squats and we're just weeks focusing on squats and we're just going to focus on squats and teach the going to focus on squats and teach the going to focus on squats and teach the squat squat squat >> and then you know didn't do a four-week >> and then you know didn't do a four-week >> and then you know didn't do a four-week cycle of just teaching the deadlift and cycle of just teaching the deadlift and cycle of just teaching the deadlift and then teaching maybe bench press and just then teaching maybe bench press and just then teaching maybe bench press and just looking at the big movements because looking at the big movements because looking at the big movements because most of these kids just most of these kids just most of these kids just >> I'm finding kids don't move well. Okay. >> I'm finding kids don't move well. Okay. >> I'm finding kids don't move well. Okay. So, I was think I think your latter So, I was think I think your latter So, I was think I think your latter advice in terms of like focusing just advice in terms of like focusing just advice in terms of like focusing just because because because >> Yeah. I think >> Yeah. I think >> Yeah. I think >> just on one, right? >> just on one, right? >> just on one, right? >> Yeah. Just one. Yeah. Just so they can >> Yeah. Just one. Yeah. Just so they can >> Yeah. Just one. Yeah. Just so they can learn the the mechanics of it and really learn the the mechanics of it and really learn the the mechanics of it and really work their way through that. You can work their way through that. You can work their way through that. You can like to Are you training them all as like to Are you training them all as like to Are you training them all as like a group or like a group or like a group or >> Yeah, it's a group. It's like, you know, >> Yeah, it's a group. It's like, you know, >> Yeah, it's a group. It's like, you know, we have between four and seven. And so, we have between four and seven. And so, we have between four and seven. And so, you can't do too much in 45 minutes when you can't do too much in 45 minutes when you can't do too much in 45 minutes when you got a bunch of sixth graders trying you got a bunch of sixth graders trying you got a bunch of sixth graders trying to goof off and lift weights. to goof off and lift weights. to goof off and lift weights. No, you guys get in line and and and No, you guys get in line and and and No, you guys get in line and and and stay focused. stay focused. stay focused. >> Yeah, exactly. And you can work on tempo >> Yeah, exactly. And you can work on tempo >> Yeah, exactly. And you can work on tempo with that so you get them all kind of in with that so you get them all kind of in with that so you get them all kind of in sync. Uh I found that, you know, with sync. Uh I found that, you know, with sync. Uh I found that, you know, with kids like just having them, you know, kids like just having them, you know, kids like just having them, you know, together like and splitting them off in together like and splitting them off in together like and splitting them off in pairs really helps so you can kind of pairs really helps so you can kind of pairs really helps so you can kind of like empower one to uh you know, like empower one to uh you know, like empower one to uh you know, reinforce what you're teaching and watch reinforce what you're teaching and watch reinforce what you're teaching and watch for these uh certain things in their for these uh certain things in their for these uh certain things in their movements. Uh that helps a lot. So you movements. Uh that helps a lot. So you movements. Uh that helps a lot. So you have an extra pair of eyes. But yeah, have an extra pair of eyes. But yeah, have an extra pair of eyes. But yeah, that way you can kind of walk around, that way you can kind of walk around, that way you can kind of walk around, you know, you're you're kind of uh you know, you're you're kind of uh you know, you're you're kind of uh educating them all at the same time and educating them all at the same time and educating them all at the same time and and it's it's a lot more um effective and it's it's a lot more um effective and it's it's a lot more um effective for them to focus on that versus like for them to focus on that versus like for them to focus on that versus like kind of jumping them to the next lift. kind of jumping them to the next lift. kind of jumping them to the next lift. So, So, So, >> how many times a week did you say you >> how many times a week did you say you >> how many times a week did you say you see them? see them? see them? >> Well, we started we started doing it at >> Well, we started we started doing it at >> Well, we started we started doing it at two times a week, but uh just because of two times a week, but uh just because of two times a week, but uh just because of other sports, we're transitioning just other sports, we're transitioning just other sports, we're transitioning just once a week. So, we only have once a once a week. So, we only have once a once a week. So, we only have once a week that we're doing this. Um, it's week that we're doing this. Um, it's week that we're doing this. Um, it's really to get them, you know, really really to get them, you know, really really to get them, you know, really studying God's word, but then also have studying God's word, but then also have studying God's word, but then also have them, most of them are youth athletes, them, most of them are youth athletes, them, most of them are youth athletes, too, so they're playing other sports. too, so they're playing other sports. too, so they're playing other sports. So, So, So, >> Oh, yeah. I definitely season >> Oh, yeah. I definitely season >> Oh, yeah. I definitely season >> baseball season's ramping up for my son. >> baseball season's ramping up for my son. >> baseball season's ramping up for my son. Um, Um, Um, >> and like other kids play other sports, >> and like other kids play other sports, >> and like other kids play other sports, soccer, and so I don't want them doing soccer, and so I don't want them doing soccer, and so I don't want them doing too much. I just want them really too much. I just want them really too much. I just want them really learning the movements and and staying learning the movements and and staying learning the movements and and staying healthy. healthy. healthy. >> Yeah, you're you're on the right track. >> Yeah, you're you're on the right track. >> Yeah, you're you're on the right track. If you're only seeing them one time a If you're only seeing them one time a If you're only seeing them one time a week, the whole month would be about week, the whole month would be about week, the whole month would be about squats. The whole month. Yeah. Every squats. The whole month. Yeah. Every squats. The whole month. Yeah. Every time they come in, we're just we're time they come in, we're just we're time they come in, we're just we're practicing the movement. stuff like practicing the movement. stuff like practicing the movement. stuff like that. And like you said, it's more that. And like you said, it's more that. And like you said, it's more really about the Bible study and really about the Bible study and really about the Bible study and introducing them to some some a good introducing them to some some a good introducing them to some some a good movement. You know what I'm saying? movement. You know what I'm saying? movement. You know what I'm saying? >> This is so great. I don't know if you >> This is so great. I don't know if you >> This is so great. I don't know if you idea. idea. idea. >> I hope you I mean, you realize what an >> I hope you I mean, you realize what an >> I hope you I mean, you realize what an incredible impact you're making on these incredible impact you're making on these incredible impact you're making on these young men by doing that's incredible. young men by doing that's incredible. young men by doing that's incredible. >> Yeah. I love it. There's there's three >> Yeah. I love it. There's there's three >> Yeah. I love it. There's there's three things I've been doing for 20 plus things I've been doing for 20 plus things I've been doing for 20 plus years. That's studying the Bible, years. That's studying the Bible, years. That's studying the Bible, lifting weights, and and studying lifting weights, and and studying lifting weights, and and studying science. And so, I'm a scientist as science. And so, I'm a scientist as science. And so, I'm a scientist as well. And so, I I try to bring all those well. And so, I I try to bring all those well. And so, I I try to bring all those things in in and try to teach some of things in in and try to teach some of things in in and try to teach some of these kids some of these things as well. these kids some of these things as well. these kids some of these things as well. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> Yeah. The two things to consider with >> Yeah. The two things to consider with >> Yeah. The two things to consider with the workout is, you know, the big thing the workout is, you know, the big thing the workout is, you know, the big thing with kids is always, uh, can I get them with kids is always, uh, can I get them with kids is always, uh, can I get them to enjoy this? Cuz if they develop a to enjoy this? Cuz if they develop a to enjoy this? Cuz if they develop a good relationship, they'll want to keep good relationship, they'll want to keep good relationship, they'll want to keep doing it. doing it. doing it. >> And so, the challenge, maybe I'm wrong, >> And so, the challenge, maybe I'm wrong, >> And so, the challenge, maybe I'm wrong, but the challenge might be like, well, I but the challenge might be like, well, I but the challenge might be like, well, I don't I want to keep them interested. don't I want to keep them interested. don't I want to keep them interested. So, I'm cycling through the exercises So, I'm cycling through the exercises So, I'm cycling through the exercises because I don't want them to get bored. because I don't want them to get bored. because I don't want them to get bored. But really, that they're going to get so But really, that they're going to get so But really, that they're going to get so excited seeing their numbers go up. I excited seeing their numbers go up. I excited seeing their numbers go up. I mean, if you squat every week, they're mean, if you squat every week, they're mean, if you squat every week, they're going to see gains in that. That's going to see gains in that. That's going to see gains in that. That's probably going to psych them up. probably going to psych them up. probably going to psych them up. >> Yeah. They they go through the roof. I >> Yeah. They they go through the roof. I >> Yeah. They they go through the roof. I mean, it's just just the movement mean, it's just just the movement mean, it's just just the movement learning of that. It every week they're learning of that. It every week they're learning of that. It every week they're putting up PRs to them because it's just putting up PRs to them because it's just putting up PRs to them because it's just like they they know how to move better like they they know how to move better like they they know how to move better the week after week. the week after week. the week after week. >> That's so great. >> That's so great. >> That's so great. >> So, it helps my son, too, because he's, >> So, it helps my son, too, because he's, >> So, it helps my son, too, because he's, you know, and and all like a couple of you know, and and all like a couple of you know, and and all like a couple of them are starting to one of one of his them are starting to one of one of his them are starting to one of one of his buddies is going to compete with him in buddies is going to compete with him in buddies is going to compete with him in a few weeks as well. a few weeks as well. a few weeks as well. >> And so, they're all like excited about >> And so, they're all like excited about >> And so, they're all like excited about that. And I mentioned like, hey, if you that. And I mentioned like, hey, if you that. And I mentioned like, hey, if you know, if you guys want to stick with it, know, if you guys want to stick with it, know, if you guys want to stick with it, we'll we'll put the team together and we'll we'll put the team together and we'll we'll put the team together and and go all go compete in youth and go all go compete in youth and go all go compete in youth powerlifting next year. And so, they're powerlifting next year. And so, they're powerlifting next year. And so, they're all excited about that, too. all excited about that, too. all excited about that, too. >> That's awesome, man. Sick, man. >> That's awesome, man. Sick, man. >> That's awesome, man. Sick, man. >> Hey, can we send you anything to help >> Hey, can we send you anything to help >> Hey, can we send you anything to help you out? Do you have all our mobility you out? Do you have all our mobility you out? Do you have all our mobility programs? Is anything we can help you programs? Is anything we can help you programs? Is anything we can help you out with? out with? out with? >> Uh, I have I have a lot of your >> Uh, I have I have a lot of your >> Uh, I have I have a lot of your programs. I have all the Prime Prime programs. I have all the Prime Prime programs. I have all the Prime Prime Pro. Um, Pro. Um, Pro. Um, >> all right. >> all right. >> all right. >> Uh, I >> Uh, I >> Uh, I I don't have I don't have I don't have >> Symmetry. You have Symmetry? >> Symmetry. You have Symmetry? >> Symmetry. You have Symmetry? >> Oh, yeah. That's my I So, my go-to >> Oh, yeah. That's my I So, my go-to >> Oh, yeah. That's my I So, my go-to programs are Symmetry and 15. programs are Symmetry and 15. programs are Symmetry and 15. >> Okay. Okay. You're doing >> Okay. Okay. You're doing >> Okay. Okay. You're doing >> I've been hurt too much now. So I I back >> I've been hurt too much now. So I I back >> I've been hurt too much now. So I I back >> so about once a year I try to push it >> so about once a year I try to push it >> so about once a year I try to push it like like you guys do and then you end like like you guys do and then you end like like you guys do and then you end up hurt and you're like ah crap up hurt and you're like ah crap up hurt and you're like ah crap >> I push it. I just need to go back to 15 >> I push it. I just need to go back to 15 >> I push it. I just need to go back to 15 or symmetry. or symmetry. or symmetry. >> I'm I'm going to have Doug when we when >> I'm I'm going to have Doug when we when >> I'm I'm going to have Doug when we when we hang up I'm going to have Doug we hang up I'm going to have Doug we hang up I'm going to have Doug message you and get your address. I'd message you and get your address. I'd message you and get your address. I'd love to send a package for all the boys. love to send a package for all the boys. love to send a package for all the boys. >> Oh yeah, that'd be awesome. They would >> Oh yeah, that'd be awesome. They would >> Oh yeah, that'd be awesome. They would love that. love that. love that. >> See if I can find you want to talk to a >> See if I can find you want to talk to a >> See if I can find you want to talk to a youth athlete. My my son's about to set youth athlete. My my son's about to set youth athlete. My my son's about to set all the American records for the third all the American records for the third all the American records for the third time in powerlifting. time in powerlifting. time in powerlifting. >> No way. >> No way. >> No way. Can you mind can I ask you what he what Can you mind can I ask you what he what Can you mind can I ask you what he what the numbers are? the numbers are? the numbers are? >> Yeah. So he he's moving up a weight >> Yeah. So he he's moving up a weight >> Yeah. So he he's moving up a weight class to 48 kilos. So that's like 106 class to 48 kilos. So that's like 106 class to 48 kilos. So that's like 106 lbs almost. And he's his best in the gym lbs almost. And he's his best in the gym lbs almost. And he's his best in the gym right now is 215 squat. Um he has a 105 right now is 215 squat. Um he has a 105 right now is 215 squat. Um he has a 105 lb bench and a 230 deadlift. lb bench and a 230 deadlift. lb bench and a 230 deadlift. >> Already at 11. He's 11. >> Already at 11. He's 11. >> Already at 11. He's 11. >> And he has no idea that he's that >> And he has no idea that he's that >> And he has no idea that he's that strong. He always thinks that he's doing strong. He always thinks that he's doing strong. He always thinks that he's doing horrible. I'm like, "Dude, you you've horrible. I'm like, "Dude, you you've horrible. I'm like, "Dude, you you've already set like a bunch of American already set like a bunch of American already set like a bunch of American records. You're you're records. You're you're records. You're you're >> you're all right. He's going to be he's >> you're all right. He's going to be he's >> you're all right. He's going to be he's going to be a monster. That's awesome, going to be a monster. That's awesome, going to be a monster. That's awesome, man. That's so cool. man. That's so cool. man. That's so cool. >> I'm waiting for puberty to kick in and >> I'm waiting for puberty to kick in and >> I'm waiting for puberty to kick in and then it's going to then it's going to then it's going to >> Oh god. Look out. Look out. Look out for >> Oh god. Look out. Look out. Look out for >> Oh god. Look out. Look out. Look out for you, dude. Good for you. That's great. you, dude. Good for you. That's great. you, dude. Good for you. That's great. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. Thanks, man. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. >> Hey, I appreciate it, guys. I I I love >> Hey, I appreciate it, guys. I I I love >> Hey, I appreciate it, guys. I I I love everything you guys do. Keep it up. Um everything you guys do. Keep it up. Um everything you guys do. Keep it up. Um I'll keep pushing people your way. Um I'll keep pushing people your way. Um I'll keep pushing people your way. Um just because you make solid programs and just because you make solid programs and just because you make solid programs and give solid advice. So, give solid advice. So, give solid advice. So, >> I appreciate that, man. Yeah. Thanks for >> I appreciate that, man. Yeah. Thanks for >> I appreciate that, man. Yeah. Thanks for the support. the support. the support. >> Thanks. >> Thanks. >> Thanks. >> That's the coolest thing ever. >> That's the coolest thing ever. >> That's the coolest thing ever. >> Yeah. Yeah, you got to get his get his >> Yeah. Yeah, you got to get his get his >> Yeah. Yeah, you got to get his get his get his address and we'll send a cool get his address and we'll send a cool get his address and we'll send a cool care package to all the kids over there. care package to all the kids over there. care package to all the kids over there. That'd be cool. That'd be cool. That'd be cool. >> That is so great, man. Yeah. Really >> That is so great, man. Yeah. Really >> That is so great, man. Yeah. Really uplifting to hear all that. And you uplifting to hear all that. And you uplifting to hear all that. And you know, with his training, I mean I mean know, with his training, I mean I mean know, with his training, I mean I mean that was easy, of course, easy easy that was easy, of course, easy easy that was easy, of course, easy easy answer to his question. Just for people answer to his question. Just for people answer to his question. Just for people listening, you get when you get that listening, you get when you get that listening, you get when you get that strong, strong, strong, >> you have to figure out how to make the >> you have to figure out how to make the >> you have to figure out how to make the weight feel heavier because always weight feel heavier because always weight feel heavier because always adding weight to the bar, you get it adding weight to the bar, you get it adding weight to the bar, you get it starts to get starts to get starts to get >> Yeah. I didn't realize I didn't realize >> Yeah. I didn't realize I didn't realize >> Yeah. I didn't realize I didn't realize until you said it that he said four. I until you said it that he said four. I until you said it that he said four. I saw the 405. I didn't see by 19. saw the 405. I didn't see by 19. saw the 405. I didn't see by 19. >> 19. Yeah. Yeah. He's a He's a He's a >> 19. Yeah. Yeah. He's a He's a He's a >> 19. Yeah. Yeah. He's a He's a He's a beast, bro. beast, bro. beast, bro. >> If you're doing 405 for 19, you got like >> If you're doing 405 for 19, you got like >> If you're doing 405 for 19, you got like a 600 back a 600 back a 600 back >> squat. Yeah. >> squat. Yeah. >> squat. Yeah. >> Yeah. You're strong. >> Yeah. You're strong. >> Yeah. You're strong. >> You're real strong. >> You're real strong. >> You're real strong. >> Strong as I What a great idea. Bar Bible >> Strong as I What a great idea. Bar Bible >> Strong as I What a great idea. Bar Bible and barbells. What a great thing for and barbells. What a great thing for and barbells. What a great thing for young man. Such a great way to do it, young man. Such a great way to do it, young man. Such a great way to do it, too. Just all month long we're focusing too. Just all month long we're focusing too. Just all month long we're focusing on the squad. Every day we meet, we do on the squad. Every day we meet, we do on the squad. Every day we meet, we do 45 minutes, we do the Bible. Yeah. 45 minutes, we do the Bible. Yeah. 45 minutes, we do the Bible. Yeah. That's cool. What a That's cool. Great That's cool. What a That's cool. Great That's cool. What a That's cool. Great to meet, dude. to meet, dude. to meet, dude. >> Our next caller is Billy from Alberta. >> Our next caller is Billy from Alberta. >> Our next caller is Billy from Alberta. >> Hey, what's up, man? >> Hey, what's up, man? >> Hey, what's up, man? >> What's going on, Billy? Hey guys, how >> What's going on, Billy? Hey guys, how >> What's going on, Billy? Hey guys, how are you? are you? are you? >> Good, man. How you doing? >> Good, man. How you doing? >> Good, man. How you doing? >> All right, dude. >> All right, dude. >> All right, dude. >> How can we help you? >> How can we help you? >> How can we help you? >> Good. I'm doing fantastic. Hey, um I >> Good. I'm doing fantastic. Hey, um I >> Good. I'm doing fantastic. Hey, um I have to say right away, really have to say right away, really have to say right away, really appreciate you guys taking my question. appreciate you guys taking my question. appreciate you guys taking my question. Um your health and fitness advice, it Um your health and fitness advice, it Um your health and fitness advice, it really resonates with me. You guys have really resonates with me. You guys have really resonates with me. You guys have so much experience and I think people so much experience and I think people so much experience and I think people can save themselves so many years of can save themselves so many years of can save themselves so many years of trial and error just by listening to trial and error just by listening to trial and error just by listening to your show. your show. your show. >> Finally, I have to acknowledge all the >> Finally, I have to acknowledge all the >> Finally, I have to acknowledge all the non-fitness stuff as well because I non-fitness stuff as well because I non-fitness stuff as well because I absolutely love the banter and all the absolutely love the banter and all the absolutely love the banter and all the conspiracy talk. It feels like I'm kind conspiracy talk. It feels like I'm kind conspiracy talk. It feels like I'm kind of just hanging out with voice. So, of just hanging out with voice. So, of just hanging out with voice. So, >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. They got me, bro. They got me finally. They got me, bro. They got me finally. They got me, bro. They got me finally. >> Yeah, we converted him. >> Yeah, we converted him. >> Yeah, we converted him. >> Yeah, it's good. >> Yeah, it's good. >> Yeah, it's good. >> Yeah, I'll jump right into my question >> Yeah, I'll jump right into my question >> Yeah, I'll jump right into my question here uh for the sake of time for you here uh for the sake of time for you here uh for the sake of time for you guys. So, in my ear in my teens and guys. So, in my ear in my teens and guys. So, in my ear in my teens and early 20s, I developed a passion for early 20s, I developed a passion for early 20s, I developed a passion for bodybuilding, strength, supplements, all bodybuilding, strength, supplements, all bodybuilding, strength, supplements, all that fun stuff. Uh at the time, my focus that fun stuff. Uh at the time, my focus that fun stuff. Uh at the time, my focus was more on gaining as much muscle as was more on gaining as much muscle as was more on gaining as much muscle as possible. Never ate whole foods, but my possible. Never ate whole foods, but my possible. Never ate whole foods, but my diet was okay overall. Uh, I was super diet was okay overall. Uh, I was super diet was okay overall. Uh, I was super dedicated and it paid off because to dedicated and it paid off because to dedicated and it paid off because to this day it's still the strongest I've this day it's still the strongest I've this day it's still the strongest I've ever been. Uh, the early passion never ever been. Uh, the early passion never ever been. Uh, the early passion never really faded, but uh, life got hectic really faded, but uh, life got hectic really faded, but uh, life got hectic when I started university and I became when I started university and I became when I started university and I became more of a casual lifter at that time. more of a casual lifter at that time. more of a casual lifter at that time. Didn't have a specific goal in mind. U, Didn't have a specific goal in mind. U, Didn't have a specific goal in mind. U, I'd lift with no set routine, get my I'd lift with no set routine, get my I'd lift with no set routine, get my 10,000 steps, play sports, that kind of 10,000 steps, play sports, that kind of 10,000 steps, play sports, that kind of thing. Just really trying not to get fat thing. Just really trying not to get fat thing. Just really trying not to get fat throughout the university years. throughout the university years. throughout the university years. Um, so overall I maintained my health Um, so overall I maintained my health Um, so overall I maintained my health but I never really achieved the fitness but I never really achieved the fitness but I never really achieved the fitness and physique goal that I really tr I and physique goal that I really tr I and physique goal that I really tr I really had envisioned for myself. So at really had envisioned for myself. So at really had envisioned for myself. So at 36 years old I was struck with a 36 years old I was struck with a 36 years old I was struck with a realization that I kind of wasted a realization that I kind of wasted a realization that I kind of wasted a bunch of my prime years not really bunch of my prime years not really bunch of my prime years not really chasing that goal that was super chasing that goal that was super chasing that goal that was super important to me. So last well in June of important to me. So last well in June of important to me. So last well in June of 2025 uh it kind of felt like a switch 2025 uh it kind of felt like a switch 2025 uh it kind of felt like a switch flipped. started lifting using the flipped. started lifting using the flipped. started lifting using the pushpull routine, pushpull legs, sorry, pushpull routine, pushpull legs, sorry, pushpull routine, pushpull legs, sorry, that I created myself, started tracking that I created myself, started tracking that I created myself, started tracking macros, and my plan was to cut to about macros, and my plan was to cut to about macros, and my plan was to cut to about 12% body fat, get to a point where I'm 12% body fat, get to a point where I'm 12% body fat, get to a point where I'm pretty lean, and then reverse diet on pretty lean, and then reverse diet on pretty lean, and then reverse diet on that lean frame to pack on as much that lean frame to pack on as much that lean frame to pack on as much muscle as I could. Uh, some stats, I'm muscle as I could. Uh, some stats, I'm muscle as I could. Uh, some stats, I'm 510, currently 163 lbs. Cut down from 510, currently 163 lbs. Cut down from 510, currently 163 lbs. Cut down from 196. Uh calories started off at 2400 and 196. Uh calories started off at 2400 and 196. Uh calories started off at 2400 and I slowly pulled that back to about 1950 I slowly pulled that back to about 1950 I slowly pulled that back to about 1950 2000. Um held that cool intake for a 2000. Um held that cool intake for a 2000. Um held that cool intake for a couple of months until weight loss couple of months until weight loss couple of months until weight loss became pretty slow. And throughout that became pretty slow. And throughout that became pretty slow. And throughout that whole process I monitored my strength whole process I monitored my strength whole process I monitored my strength and didn't see any strength losses. So I and didn't see any strength losses. So I and didn't see any strength losses. So I felt as if I preserved as much muscle as felt as if I preserved as much muscle as felt as if I preserved as much muscle as I could. So overall I felt as if uh I I could. So overall I felt as if uh I I could. So overall I felt as if uh I felt pretty good throughout the whole felt pretty good throughout the whole felt pretty good throughout the whole process. Never felt overtrained, never process. Never felt overtrained, never process. Never felt overtrained, never felt like I was starving myself. I felt like I was starving myself. I felt like I was starving myself. I legitimately felt okay. Here's the butt. legitimately felt okay. Here's the butt. legitimately felt okay. Here's the butt. So, at the very beginning of my jersey So, at the very beginning of my jersey So, at the very beginning of my jersey or journey, I checked my testosterone or journey, I checked my testosterone or journey, I checked my testosterone levels because I'm curious like most levels because I'm curious like most levels because I'm curious like most other guys. Uh, it was 565, which I kind other guys. Uh, it was 565, which I kind other guys. Uh, it was 565, which I kind of felt like, hey, I'm I I can bump of felt like, hey, I'm I I can bump of felt like, hey, I'm I I can bump those numbers up a little bit by doing those numbers up a little bit by doing those numbers up a little bit by doing all the things. Uh, did my lab work all the things. Uh, did my lab work all the things. Uh, did my lab work recently again, this is about six, seven recently again, this is about six, seven recently again, this is about six, seven months later, and it had dropped to 308. months later, and it had dropped to 308. months later, and it had dropped to 308. Uh, I I saw that result and I figured Uh, I I saw that result and I figured Uh, I I saw that result and I figured there's no way that can be true after there's no way that can be true after there's no way that can be true after all this effort. I did another test 10 all this effort. I did another test 10 all this effort. I did another test 10 days later and they were 118. days later and they were 118. days later and they were 118. And this is where I went from feeling And this is where I went from feeling And this is where I went from feeling good to not feeling great at all. I good to not feeling great at all. I good to not feeling great at all. I could feel the symptoms of low could feel the symptoms of low could feel the symptoms of low testosterone. Uh, it kind of confused me testosterone. Uh, it kind of confused me testosterone. Uh, it kind of confused me because I felt like I was doing all the because I felt like I was doing all the because I felt like I was doing all the right things to increase that number. right things to increase that number. right things to increase that number. You know, exercise, eating whole foods, You know, exercise, eating whole foods, You know, exercise, eating whole foods, protein, lifting, didn't feel protein, lifting, didn't feel protein, lifting, didn't feel overtrained. But I'm curious, is the overtrained. But I'm curious, is the overtrained. But I'm curious, is the long-term deficit the result for that long-term deficit the result for that long-term deficit the result for that drop in my testosterone? And uh drop in my testosterone? And uh drop in my testosterone? And uh >> almost almost certainly. In fact, what >> almost almost certainly. In fact, what >> almost almost certainly. In fact, what what Okay, so if if uh I just re-engaged what Okay, so if if uh I just re-engaged what Okay, so if if uh I just re-engaged on my kick, right? I'm coming up on two on my kick, right? I'm coming up on two on my kick, right? I'm coming up on two months right now. Uh and definitely months right now. Uh and definitely months right now. Uh and definitely needed to lose body fat, but I never needed to lose body fat, but I never needed to lose body fat, but I never start that way. I always even though I start that way. I always even though I start that way. I always even though I know I want to lose body fat and lean know I want to lose body fat and lean know I want to lose body fat and lean down is where I want to go. If I haven't down is where I want to go. If I haven't down is where I want to go. If I haven't been dialed in eating consistently been dialed in eating consistently been dialed in eating consistently lifting, the first thing I go to is lifting, the first thing I go to is lifting, the first thing I go to is right away reverse diet. Even though I right away reverse diet. Even though I right away reverse diet. Even though I want to be leaner, it's build that want to be leaner, it's build that want to be leaner, it's build that metabolism, build muscle, lean into metabolism, build muscle, lean into metabolism, build muscle, lean into that, and then then come the other way. that, and then then come the other way. that, and then then come the other way. you went and went, let's cut, cut, cut you went and went, let's cut, cut, cut you went and went, let's cut, cut, cut from a guy who probably wasn't training from a guy who probably wasn't training from a guy who probably wasn't training really consistent, wasn't really really consistent, wasn't really really consistent, wasn't really watching his diet very carefully to all watching his diet very carefully to all watching his diet very carefully to all of a sudden cutting calories and getting of a sudden cutting calories and getting of a sudden cutting calories and getting leaner leaner leaner >> and you and that's your body needs more >> and you and that's your body needs more >> and you and that's your body needs more and you're lacking nutrients and that and you're lacking nutrients and that and you're lacking nutrients and that your testosterone levels are telling you your testosterone levels are telling you your testosterone levels are telling you that right there. You would have been that right there. You would have been that right there. You would have been better off even at a higher body fat better off even at a higher body fat better off even at a higher body fat percentage saying, "I'm going to go percentage saying, "I'm going to go percentage saying, "I'm going to go build some muscle on this, you know, build some muscle on this, you know, build some muscle on this, you know, thicker, chunkier frame that I have thicker, chunkier frame that I have thicker, chunkier frame that I have right now. I don't care." and not right now. I don't care." and not right now. I don't care." and not aggressively but slowly increase aggressively but slowly increase aggressively but slowly increase calories and get to a place where you're calories and get to a place where you're calories and get to a place where you're eating more like 3,500 calories and then eating more like 3,500 calories and then eating more like 3,500 calories and then go to a cut at like 2800 calories and go to a cut at like 2800 calories and go to a cut at like 2800 calories and watch your body fat just drop. that watch your body fat just drop. that watch your body fat just drop. that would have kept you at a healthier level would have kept you at a healthier level would have kept you at a healthier level of testosterone. And the low level of of testosterone. And the low level of of testosterone. And the low level of testosterone tells me, you went too low testosterone tells me, you went too low testosterone tells me, you went too low on calories for too long to get that to on calories for too long to get that to on calories for too long to get that to get that body and you got the body fat get that body and you got the body fat get that body and you got the body fat percentage down. And aesthetically, you percentage down. And aesthetically, you percentage down. And aesthetically, you probably look pretty good, but your body probably look pretty good, but your body probably look pretty good, but your body didn't like it at all. didn't like it at all. didn't like it at all. >> A prolonged deficit uh eventually will >> A prolonged deficit uh eventually will >> A prolonged deficit uh eventually will do that. do that. do that. >> Here's the other thing, too. Um I would >> Here's the other thing, too. Um I would >> Here's the other thing, too. Um I would also look at nutrient levels. So, uh, also look at nutrient levels. So, uh, also look at nutrient levels. So, uh, 2,000 calories of food brings 2,000 2,000 calories of food brings 2,000 2,000 calories of food brings 2,000 calories of nutrients. Uh, most common calories of nutrients. Uh, most common calories of nutrients. Uh, most common ones that make a difference are zinc, ones that make a difference are zinc, ones that make a difference are zinc, vitamin D, and magnesium. Are you taking vitamin D, and magnesium. Are you taking vitamin D, and magnesium. Are you taking any supplements? any supplements? any supplements? >> Yeah. So, I do creatine, vitamin D, >> Yeah. So, I do creatine, vitamin D, >> Yeah. So, I do creatine, vitamin D, zinc, magna stack. zinc, magna stack. zinc, magna stack. >> Okay, good. >> Okay, good. >> Okay, good. >> Vitamin K. So, again, I thought I was >> Vitamin K. So, again, I thought I was >> Vitamin K. So, again, I thought I was doing all the good stuff. doing all the good stuff. doing all the good stuff. >> You are you're set. It's then it's then >> You are you're set. It's then it's then >> You are you're set. It's then it's then it's definitely the def it's the it's definitely the def it's the it's definitely the def it's the calories, you know, being as active as calories, you know, being as active as calories, you know, being as active as you are, man. you know, it's like 2,000 you are, man. you know, it's like 2,000 you are, man. you know, it's like 2,000 calories low for a long time. So, I calories low for a long time. So, I calories low for a long time. So, I would reverse diet, focus on building. would reverse diet, focus on building. would reverse diet, focus on building. You'll see your numbers bounce back up. You'll see your numbers bounce back up. You'll see your numbers bounce back up. Any prolonged Here's the deal. Even if Any prolonged Here's the deal. Even if Any prolonged Here's the deal. Even if you reverse diet, you can do it for you reverse diet, you can do it for you reverse diet, you can do it for longer with a reverse diet, but a longer with a reverse diet, but a longer with a reverse diet, but a sustained deficit sustained deficit sustained deficit >> almost always depresses testosterone. >> almost always depresses testosterone. >> almost always depresses testosterone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> In men. Now, somebody who's obese who >> In men. Now, somebody who's obese who >> In men. Now, somebody who's obese who then goes on a healthy diet will tend to then goes on a healthy diet will tend to then goes on a healthy diet will tend to see a rise in testosterone at first. see a rise in testosterone at first. see a rise in testosterone at first. >> But if they stay in a deficit for a >> But if they stay in a deficit for a >> But if they stay in a deficit for a while, while, while, >> here's the sign, let me put it this way. >> here's the sign, let me put it this way. >> here's the sign, let me put it this way. The signal you're telling your body is The signal you're telling your body is The signal you're telling your body is that resources are hard to come by that resources are hard to come by that resources are hard to come by >> and a a your body is going to say we >> and a a your body is going to say we >> and a a your body is going to say we don't want you to reproduce. You're not don't want you to reproduce. You're not don't want you to reproduce. You're not going to be able to uh care for another going to be able to uh care for another going to be able to uh care for another mouth. You're not going to be able to mouth. You're not going to be able to mouth. You're not going to be able to feed another mouth, I should say. So, feed another mouth, I should say. So, feed another mouth, I should say. So, it's just you're just 2,000 is is too it's just you're just 2,000 is is too it's just you're just 2,000 is is too low for too long. So, rever bump up to low for too long. So, rever bump up to low for too long. So, rever bump up to 2500 right out the gates. By the way, 2500 right out the gates. By the way, 2500 right out the gates. By the way, the the symptoms of overtraining when the the symptoms of overtraining when the the symptoms of overtraining when someone starts to feel the symptoms, someone starts to feel the symptoms, someone starts to feel the symptoms, they've probably been overdoing it for a they've probably been overdoing it for a they've probably been overdoing it for a long time already. long time already. long time already. So, it's like when you feel symptoms, So, it's like when you feel symptoms, So, it's like when you feel symptoms, it's like you've been you've been there it's like you've been you've been there it's like you've been you've been there for a little while. for a little while. for a little while. >> Well, and also in the context of of >> Well, and also in the context of of >> Well, and also in the context of of where you're at calorie-wise, like you where you're at calorie-wise, like you where you're at calorie-wise, like you may not be you may not be overdoing it may not be you may not be overdoing it may not be you may not be overdoing it if you were eating 2,800 calories. if you were eating 2,800 calories. if you were eating 2,800 calories. >> That's right. That's right. >> That's right. That's right. >> That's right. That's right. >> But a guy who's eating so low of >> But a guy who's eating so low of >> But a guy who's eating so low of calories and even though you like in calories and even though you like in calories and even though you like in your head you're like, I wasn't it was your head you're like, I wasn't it was your head you're like, I wasn't it was not like I was doing seven days a week not like I was doing seven days a week not like I was doing seven days a week or running like crazy. Like, so maybe in or running like crazy. Like, so maybe in or running like crazy. Like, so maybe in your head you're not like I doesn't feel your head you're not like I doesn't feel your head you're not like I doesn't feel like I'm crazy overtraining, but you like I'm crazy overtraining, but you like I'm crazy overtraining, but you are. for a guy who's only eating 2,000 are. for a guy who's only eating 2,000 are. for a guy who's only eating 2,000 calories, your body wants somewhere more calories, your body wants somewhere more calories, your body wants somewhere more like 2500 to 2,800 calories to feel like 2500 to 2,800 calories to feel like 2500 to 2,800 calories to feel healthier. And so you doing that for a healthier. And so you doing that for a healthier. And so you doing that for a long period of time is overtrained. Even long period of time is overtrained. Even long period of time is overtrained. Even though it may not feel like though it may not feel like though it may not feel like >> it's more than you can support. >> it's more than you can support. >> it's more than you can support. >> I mean, just so you know though, like >> I mean, just so you know though, like >> I mean, just so you know though, like cuz again, at some point in your life, cuz again, at some point in your life, cuz again, at some point in your life, this more than likely will happen in this more than likely will happen in this more than likely will happen in because most of us have come have these because most of us have come have these because most of us have come have these eb and flows of when we're on our kicks eb and flows of when we're on our kicks eb and flows of when we're on our kicks and when we're not. when you start off and when we're not. when you start off and when we're not. when you start off uh unless you even if you were somebody uh unless you even if you were somebody uh unless you even if you were somebody uh obese, I would still reverse diet uh obese, I would still reverse diet uh obese, I would still reverse diet first. I always do that first. I always first. I always do that first. I always first. I always do that first. I always with clean food, with clean food, with clean food, >> I go, you know, clean up the diet. What >> I go, you know, clean up the diet. What >> I go, you know, clean up the diet. What like and I don't know what your like and I don't know what your like and I don't know what your offenders are. If you're a guy that offenders are. If you're a guy that offenders are. If you're a guy that likes a glass of whiskey here and there likes a glass of whiskey here and there likes a glass of whiskey here and there or you like ice cream like I do or or you like ice cream like I do or or you like ice cream like I do or whatever your offenders are, like I get whatever your offenders are, like I get whatever your offenders are, like I get that out and I replace it with good that out and I replace it with good that out and I replace it with good food. It's like I don't cut calories. I food. It's like I don't cut calories. I food. It's like I don't cut calories. I go that, you know, 400 500 calories of go that, you know, 400 500 calories of go that, you know, 400 500 calories of ice cream I was eating now becomes a ice cream I was eating now becomes a ice cream I was eating now becomes a steak and rice meal. And I go after my steak and rice meal. And I go after my steak and rice meal. And I go after my protein. I try and reverse diet, not protein. I try and reverse diet, not protein. I try and reverse diet, not aggressive reverse diet, but actually aggressive reverse diet, but actually aggressive reverse diet, but actually include good high nutrient foods and go include good high nutrient foods and go include good high nutrient foods and go build muscle. I'm right in the middle of build muscle. I'm right in the middle of build muscle. I'm right in the middle of that right now. I'm I want to cut, but that right now. I'm I want to cut, but that right now. I'm I want to cut, but I'm getting my calories up to where I'm getting my calories up to where I'm getting my calories up to where they're more like 35 3,800 and then I they're more like 35 3,800 and then I they're more like 35 3,800 and then I can go do that. And I'm and I'm thicker can go do that. And I'm and I'm thicker can go do that. And I'm and I'm thicker than I'd like. And I started this than I'd like. And I started this than I'd like. And I started this journey knowing that I need to reduce journey knowing that I need to reduce journey knowing that I need to reduce body fat. But it starts with me building body fat. But it starts with me building body fat. But it starts with me building my metabolism first. my metabolism first. my metabolism first. >> Okay. Yeah, it kind of scared me a >> Okay. Yeah, it kind of scared me a >> Okay. Yeah, it kind of scared me a little. So, I immediately flipped into a little. So, I immediately flipped into a little. So, I immediately flipped into a reverse diet. And my plan was to reverse diet. And my plan was to reverse diet. And my plan was to actually use anabolic to uh kind of pair actually use anabolic to uh kind of pair actually use anabolic to uh kind of pair that with a reverse diet, but it does that with a reverse diet, but it does that with a reverse diet, but it does scare me a little to start adding 500 scare me a little to start adding 500 scare me a little to start adding 500 calories. And I'm not sure where to go calories. And I'm not sure where to go calories. And I'm not sure where to go from there cuz I don't want to pack on from there cuz I don't want to pack on from there cuz I don't want to pack on too much fat either. I'm happy with my too much fat either. I'm happy with my too much fat either. I'm happy with my progress. So, progress. So, progress. So, >> no, you won't. You'll just get stronger >> no, you won't. You'll just get stronger >> no, you won't. You'll just get stronger and build muscle. and build muscle. and build muscle. >> Dude, put put on put 500 calories back >> Dude, put put on put 500 calories back >> Dude, put put on put 500 calories back in the diet right away. And just hang in the diet right away. And just hang in the diet right away. And just hang tight there for a couple weeks and and tight there for a couple weeks and and tight there for a couple weeks and and then I bet your weight will level out then I bet your weight will level out then I bet your weight will level out and you'll see strength go up. And then and you'll see strength go up. And then and you'll see strength go up. And then do it another 500. probably. Here's do it another 500. probably. Here's do it another 500. probably. Here's here's what will happen. You you might here's what will happen. You you might here's what will happen. You you might actually get leaner. actually get leaner. actually get leaner. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because not because you're going to lose >> Because not because you're going to lose >> Because not because you're going to lose body fat, but because you're going to body fat, but because you're going to body fat, but because you're going to build a little muscle with the current build a little muscle with the current build a little muscle with the current body fat that you have. So, your body fat that you have. So, your body fat that you have. So, your percentage might actually go down percentage might actually go down percentage might actually go down >> through adding 500. In fact, that's what >> through adding 500. In fact, that's what >> through adding 500. In fact, that's what I would expect to happen with someone I would expect to happen with someone I would expect to happen with someone like you is I'd add 500 calories, a good like you is I'd add 500 calories, a good like you is I'd add 500 calories, a good strength training program, and they strength training program, and they strength training program, and they actually get leaner uh through that actually get leaner uh through that actually get leaner uh through that process. Yeah. So, what's what's your process. Yeah. So, what's what's your process. Yeah. So, what's what's your what was your current what was your what was your current what was your what was your current what was your routine like at 2,000 calories? What did routine like at 2,000 calories? What did routine like at 2,000 calories? What did your workout look like in your activity? your workout look like in your activity? your workout look like in your activity? Uh, so like I said, I would do a Uh, so like I said, I would do a Uh, so like I said, I would do a pushpull legs, uh, which was a big pushpull legs, uh, which was a big pushpull legs, uh, which was a big change for me. So growing up, I always change for me. So growing up, I always change for me. So growing up, I always did you the bro split for bodybuilding. did you the bro split for bodybuilding. did you the bro split for bodybuilding. So that was a big change and I try and So that was a big change and I try and So that was a big change and I try and divide it up. So I I kind of break up divide it up. So I I kind of break up divide it up. So I I kind of break up the big heavy lifts. Like I wouldn't do the big heavy lifts. Like I wouldn't do the big heavy lifts. Like I wouldn't do squats with a deadlift day kind of squats with a deadlift day kind of squats with a deadlift day kind of thing. I try and break it up thing. I try and break it up thing. I try and break it up accordingly. I felt like it was okay. If accordingly. I felt like it was okay. If accordingly. I felt like it was okay. If I ever felt like I was sore or wasn't I ever felt like I was sore or wasn't I ever felt like I was sore or wasn't ready for that day, I'd honestly just ready for that day, I'd honestly just ready for that day, I'd honestly just take an extra day off as a break. Like take an extra day off as a break. Like take an extra day off as a break. Like I'm pretty in tune with my body that I'm pretty in tune with my body that I'm pretty in tune with my body that way. And that that's why I felt as if I way. And that that's why I felt as if I way. And that that's why I felt as if I wasn't overtraining. However, I will say wasn't overtraining. However, I will say wasn't overtraining. However, I will say I do uh jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu twice a week I do uh jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu twice a week I do uh jiu-jitsu jiu-jitsu twice a week as well. So, as well. So, as well. So, >> hold on. Wait, wait, wait. You How many >> hold on. Wait, wait, wait. You How many >> hold on. Wait, wait, wait. You How many days a week were you lifting? days a week were you lifting? days a week were you lifting? >> Three. >> Three. >> Three. >> Three. >> Three. >> Three. >> Okay. So, three plus two days of >> Okay. So, three plus two days of >> Okay. So, three plus two days of jiu-jitsu. jiu-jitsu. jiu-jitsu. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, bro. >> Yeah, bro. >> Yeah, bro. >> 2,000 calories. 100%. I'm sorry. >> 2,000 calories. 100%. I'm sorry. >> 2,000 calories. 100%. I'm sorry. >> You're going to feel like a million >> You're going to feel like a million >> You're going to feel like a million bucks. Are you going to continue doing bucks. Are you going to continue doing bucks. Are you going to continue doing jiu-jitsu? jiu-jitsu? jiu-jitsu? >> Uh, not for a while cuz I have a double >> Uh, not for a while cuz I have a double >> Uh, not for a while cuz I have a double MCL tear right now from jiu-jitsu. So, I MCL tear right now from jiu-jitsu. So, I MCL tear right now from jiu-jitsu. So, I got a break. got a break. got a break. >> And you're injured. So your body >> And you're injured. So your body >> And you're injured. So your body definitely wants more calories. definitely wants more calories. definitely wants more calories. >> Hey, listen. Risk of injury goes up in a >> Hey, listen. Risk of injury goes up in a >> Hey, listen. Risk of injury goes up in a in a prolonged calorie deficit as well. in a prolonged calorie deficit as well. in a prolonged calorie deficit as well. >> No, that's fair. >> No, that's fair. >> No, that's fair. >> Yeah, you were overtrained. >> Yeah, you were overtrained. >> Yeah, you were overtrained. >> Probably listening to metal while you're >> Probably listening to metal while you're >> Probably listening to metal while you're doing it, too, right? doing it, too, right? doing it, too, right? >> And I always listen to >> And I always listen to >> And I always listen to >> metal jack. Yeah. >> metal jack. Yeah. >> metal jack. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were actually >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were actually >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were actually overtrained. I would go 2500 calories. overtrained. I would go 2500 calories. overtrained. I would go 2500 calories. Uh yeah. Maps anabolic. Yeah. Uh yeah. Maps anabolic. Yeah. Uh yeah. Maps anabolic. Yeah. >> You're not doing jiu-jitsu, which is >> You're not doing jiu-jitsu, which is >> You're not doing jiu-jitsu, which is great. great. great. >> By the way, when you get back to >> By the way, when you get back to >> By the way, when you get back to jiu-jitsu, mass 15 is your program. jiu-jitsu, mass 15 is your program. jiu-jitsu, mass 15 is your program. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Not maps anabolic, not ppl. It's gonna >> Not maps anabolic, not ppl. It's gonna >> Not maps anabolic, not ppl. It's gonna be mass 15. be mass 15. be mass 15. >> So, I want to continue to increase my >> So, I want to continue to increase my >> So, I want to continue to increase my calories even more past that 2500. How calories even more past that 2500. How calories even more past that 2500. How does the further steps look like? Do I does the further steps look like? Do I does the further steps look like? Do I keep adding 500? keep adding 500? keep adding 500? >> Yeah, you can. You can. I would. I would >> Yeah, you can. You can. I would. I would >> Yeah, you can. You can. I would. I would go right to 2500. I would probably hang go right to 2500. I would probably hang go right to 2500. I would probably hang you out there for about 2 weeks. I'm you out there for about 2 weeks. I'm you out there for about 2 weeks. I'm willing to bet two weeks in there and willing to bet two weeks in there and willing to bet two weeks in there and anabolic you'll see the scale stay the anabolic you'll see the scale stay the anabolic you'll see the scale stay the same, you know? And I don't really care same, you know? And I don't really care same, you know? And I don't really care what the number on the scale. I'm just what the number on the scale. I'm just what the number on the scale. I'm just looking for it to kind of level out and looking for it to kind of level out and looking for it to kind of level out and tell me you're kind of at maintenance tell me you're kind of at maintenance tell me you're kind of at maintenance now. And then once I know you're at now. And then once I know you're at now. And then once I know you're at maintenance, I'm I'm going to go up maintenance, I'm I'm going to go up maintenance, I'm I'm going to go up another 500 calories another 500 calories another 500 calories >> and I'm going to just keep doing that. >> and I'm going to just keep doing that. >> and I'm going to just keep doing that. Now, Now, Now, >> you can wait four weeks. >> you can wait four weeks. >> you can wait four weeks. >> Yeah, it could be four weeks. Like, >> Yeah, it could be four weeks. Like, >> Yeah, it could be four weeks. Like, yeah, like if I like let's say uh week yeah, like if I like let's say uh week yeah, like if I like let's say uh week one we gain weight, week two you gain one we gain weight, week two you gain one we gain weight, week two you gain weight, I probably wouldn't increase you weight, I probably wouldn't increase you weight, I probably wouldn't increase you again. I would I want to wait till I see again. I would I want to wait till I see again. I would I want to wait till I see a week of like leveled out of the scale. a week of like leveled out of the scale. a week of like leveled out of the scale. So, the scale is going to kind of do So, the scale is going to kind of do So, the scale is going to kind of do this at because you're you're going to this at because you're you're going to this at because you're you're going to hopefully be building muscle, gaining hopefully be building muscle, gaining hopefully be building muscle, gaining strength, filling those muscle bellies strength, filling those muscle bellies strength, filling those muscle bellies up. So, that's totally normal to gain a up. So, that's totally normal to gain a up. So, that's totally normal to gain a quick like five, six, seven pounds. So, quick like five, six, seven pounds. So, quick like five, six, seven pounds. So, but understand a lot that's glycogen, but understand a lot that's glycogen, but understand a lot that's glycogen, water, hopefully a little bit of muscle. water, hopefully a little bit of muscle. water, hopefully a little bit of muscle. Don't think in your head that's fat Don't think in your head that's fat Don't think in your head that's fat because a lot of people do. They go, "Oh because a lot of people do. They go, "Oh because a lot of people do. They go, "Oh my god, I'm I'm I'm putting on too my god, I'm I'm I'm putting on too my god, I'm I'm I'm putting on too much." No, you're not. You're you're much." No, you're not. You're you're much." No, you're not. You're you're going to gain a quick 5 to seven pounds. going to gain a quick 5 to seven pounds. going to gain a quick 5 to seven pounds. And then I want to see that that kind of And then I want to see that that kind of And then I want to see that that kind of level off and then I'm going to do it level off and then I'm going to do it level off and then I'm going to do it again. And so that might be two weeks, again. And so that might be two weeks, again. And so that might be two weeks, it might be 3 weeks, it might be four it might be 3 weeks, it might be four it might be 3 weeks, it might be four weeks. I doubt it, but it it could take weeks. I doubt it, but it it could take weeks. I doubt it, but it it could take that long. And then once you're leveled that long. And then once you're leveled that long. And then once you're leveled off again and you and you're not gaining off again and you and you're not gaining off again and you and you're not gaining any more weight, now I'm bumping you any more weight, now I'm bumping you any more weight, now I'm bumping you another 500 calories. Exactly how I do. another 500 calories. Exactly how I do. another 500 calories. Exactly how I do. But just so you know, a guy like you, if But just so you know, a guy like you, if But just so you know, a guy like you, if you were doing three days a week of you were doing three days a week of you were doing three days a week of strength training plus jiu-jitsu twice a strength training plus jiu-jitsu twice a strength training plus jiu-jitsu twice a week, your calories are probably should week, your calories are probably should week, your calories are probably should sit around 300 3,000. sit around 300 3,000. sit around 300 3,000. >> Oh, yeah. Mhm. Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Mhm. Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Mhm. Oh, yeah. >> At least. >> At least. >> At least. >> 2,000 is way low, dude. >> 2,000 is way low, dude. >> 2,000 is way low, dude. >> Yeah. Yeah. And don't And don't worry >> Yeah. Yeah. And don't And don't worry >> Yeah. Yeah. And don't And don't worry about testosterone. It It is very about testosterone. It It is very about testosterone. It It is very reactive to your environment. So, a reactive to your environment. So, a reactive to your environment. So, a man's testosterone can do this depending man's testosterone can do this depending man's testosterone can do this depending on your lifestyle. So, don't worry about on your lifestyle. So, don't worry about on your lifestyle. So, don't worry about it. I I I'm pretty confident you'll see it. I I I'm pretty confident you'll see it. I I I'm pretty confident you'll see it bounce back up. it bounce back up. it bounce back up. >> No, you will. You'll bounce back up. I >> No, you will. You'll bounce back up. I >> No, you will. You'll bounce back up. I Which is exciting. I think within if we Which is exciting. I think within if we Which is exciting. I think within if we get you up to 3,000 calories, I watch get you up to 3,000 calories, I watch get you up to 3,000 calories, I watch your testosterone come right back up. your testosterone come right back up. your testosterone come right back up. >> Shoot. Right. >> Shoot. Right. >> Shoot. Right. >> So, the goal would be let's get the >> So, the goal would be let's get the >> So, the goal would be let's get the testo let's get the calories up there testo let's get the calories up there testo let's get the calories up there with minimal body fat increase and I bet with minimal body fat increase and I bet with minimal body fat increase and I bet you see testosterone come right up. you see testosterone come right up. you see testosterone come right up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. No, that sounds good. I'm >> Okay. Yeah. No, that sounds good. I'm >> Okay. Yeah. No, that sounds good. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm going to go ahead and do that. I'm excited to bring the calories back up excited to bring the calories back up excited to bring the calories back up and uh yeah, I'm going to get those and uh yeah, I'm going to get those and uh yeah, I'm going to get those testosterone numbers checked probably in testosterone numbers checked probably in testosterone numbers checked probably in a couple months time just to kind of a couple months time just to kind of a couple months time just to kind of monitor for monitor for monitor for >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give yourself a couple >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give yourself a couple >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give yourself a couple months and then come I'd love to hear months and then come I'd love to hear months and then come I'd love to hear back from you, Billy. I'd love to hear back from you, Billy. I'd love to hear back from you, Billy. I'd love to hear after you you take the advice to do after you you take the advice to do after you you take the advice to do this. I want I want to hear where your this. I want I want to hear where your this. I want I want to hear where your numbers go. numbers go. numbers go. >> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, really >> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, really >> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, really appreciate that, guys. appreciate that, guys. appreciate that, guys. >> Yeah. Yeah. Check back with us. All >> Yeah. Yeah. Check back with us. All >> Yeah. Yeah. Check back with us. All right, man. right, man. right, man. >> All righty. Thank you. >> All righty. Thank you. >> All righty. Thank you. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Yeah. Yeah. I got to say this, too. Uh >> Yeah. Yeah. I got to say this, too. Uh >> Yeah. Yeah. I got to say this, too. Uh people don't they underestimate how much people don't they underestimate how much people don't they underestimate how much uh a sport like jiu-jitsu is taxing on uh a sport like jiu-jitsu is taxing on uh a sport like jiu-jitsu is taxing on the body. the body. the body. >> Oh, I know. >> Oh, I know. >> Oh, I know. >> It took me very taxing. I >> It took me very taxing. I >> It took me very taxing. I >> I did even when I did it, and it took me >> I did even when I did it, and it took me >> I did even when I did it, and it took me a while to realize I can only lift a while to realize I can only lift a while to realize I can only lift weights once a week. weights once a week. weights once a week. >> That's it. I can't do more than that. >> That's it. I can't do more than that. >> That's it. I can't do more than that. Otherwise, they end up frying my body. Otherwise, they end up frying my body. Otherwise, they end up frying my body. Yep. Yep. Yep. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> I people have to understand, too, this >> I people have to understand, too, this >> I people have to understand, too, this is the this is the classic mistake that is the this is the classic mistake that is the this is the classic mistake that I think almost everybody makes when they I think almost everybody makes when they I think almost everybody makes when they put on body fat and they decide they put on body fat and they decide they put on body fat and they decide they decide they're going to make a change decide they're going to make a change decide they're going to make a change >> is they go from wherever and I don't >> is they go from wherever and I don't >> is they go from wherever and I don't care. I don't I didn't even ask him care. I don't I didn't even ask him care. I don't I didn't even ask him where his body fat. He said he wants to where his body fat. He said he wants to where his body fat. He said he wants to get to 12 to 15. I don't care if he was get to 12 to 15. I don't care if he was get to 12 to 15. I don't care if he was at 19% body fat, 22% body fat, or 30% at 19% body fat, 22% body fat, or 30% at 19% body fat, 22% body fat, or 30% body fat. It's irrelevant to me. He's body fat. It's irrelevant to me. He's body fat. It's irrelevant to me. He's 196 lbs. He knows he wants to lose fat. 196 lbs. He knows he wants to lose fat. 196 lbs. He knows he wants to lose fat. Okay. The very first thing I'm doing is Okay. The very first thing I'm doing is Okay. The very first thing I'm doing is going after our protein and reverse going after our protein and reverse going after our protein and reverse dieting them. Yeah. dieting them. Yeah. dieting them. Yeah. >> And the reason why I'm gonna do that is >> And the reason why I'm gonna do that is >> And the reason why I'm gonna do that is I guarantee somebody who has fallen out I guarantee somebody who has fallen out I guarantee somebody who has fallen out of shape is not getting what their body of shape is not getting what their body of shape is not getting what their body needs. They're not getting enough. needs. They're not getting enough. needs. They're not getting enough. They're guaranteed they're probably over They're guaranteed they're probably over They're guaranteed they're probably over consuming carbohydrates and saturated consuming carbohydrates and saturated consuming carbohydrates and saturated fat and sugars and they're not hitting fat and sugars and they're not hitting fat and sugars and they're not hitting enough protein. And so right away, I'm enough protein. And so right away, I'm enough protein. And so right away, I'm going to like get rid of some of those going to like get rid of some of those going to like get rid of some of those those offenders, replace it with some those offenders, replace it with some those offenders, replace it with some good steak, chicken, all those types of good steak, chicken, all those types of good steak, chicken, all those types of meals, and try and build muscle. And and meals, and try and build muscle. And and meals, and try and build muscle. And and then what will happen is he'll get then what will happen is he'll get then what will happen is he'll get somewhere between 3,000, 3,500, maybe somewhere between 3,000, 3,500, maybe somewhere between 3,000, 3,500, maybe more good calories, build some muscle. more good calories, build some muscle. more good calories, build some muscle. Maybe his weight stays the same. He's Maybe his weight stays the same. He's Maybe his weight stays the same. He's still 196 after a month of training with still 196 after a month of training with still 196 after a month of training with me, but now he's eating 3500 calories, me, but now he's eating 3500 calories, me, but now he's eating 3500 calories, hitting his protein intake, strength hitting his protein intake, strength hitting his protein intake, strength going through the roof because he's going through the roof because he's going through the roof because he's building muscle. then I can cut him down building muscle. then I can cut him down building muscle. then I can cut him down and we don't see that happen to his and we don't see that happen to his and we don't see that happen to his testosterone. testosterone. testosterone. >> Our next caller is Marshall from Idaho. >> Our next caller is Marshall from Idaho. >> Our next caller is Marshall from Idaho. >> What's up, Marshall? >> What's up, Marshall? >> What's up, Marshall? >> How's it going? Um, >> How's it going? Um, >> How's it going? Um, >> how you doing, Marshall? >> how you doing, Marshall? >> how you doing, Marshall? >> Just want to say thanks for this >> Just want to say thanks for this >> Just want to say thanks for this opportunity. It's really, really opportunity. It's really, really opportunity. It's really, really helpful. helpful. helpful. >> Yeah, you got how can we help you? >> Yeah, you got how can we help you? >> Yeah, you got how can we help you? >> Yeah, so I'm 26 years old. I have a very >> Yeah, so I'm 26 years old. I have a very >> Yeah, so I'm 26 years old. I have a very unique work schedule and it's constantly unique work schedule and it's constantly unique work schedule and it's constantly changing. Um, which is kind of the changing. Um, which is kind of the changing. Um, which is kind of the challenge I have. Originally, I was uh challenge I have. Originally, I was uh challenge I have. Originally, I was uh 270 lb. Um, so far I've lost 100 lbs 270 lb. Um, so far I've lost 100 lbs 270 lb. Um, so far I've lost 100 lbs over the course of 3 years. Wow. over the course of 3 years. Wow. over the course of 3 years. Wow. >> Originally, I was tracking calories and >> Originally, I was tracking calories and >> Originally, I was tracking calories and uh started tracking proteins. Started uh started tracking proteins. Started uh started tracking proteins. Started listening to you guys about 2 years ago, listening to you guys about 2 years ago, listening to you guys about 2 years ago, started learning the importance of fats started learning the importance of fats started learning the importance of fats and tracking really the majority of and tracking really the majority of and tracking really the majority of things in terms of fats and carbs. Uh things in terms of fats and carbs. Uh things in terms of fats and carbs. Uh eventually after about a year and a eventually after about a year and a eventually after about a year and a half, I got down to 220 lbs. Hired a half, I got down to 220 lbs. Hired a half, I got down to 220 lbs. Hired a personal trainer and then uh in May of personal trainer and then uh in May of personal trainer and then uh in May of 2025, we decided to do a DEXA scan. I 2025, we decided to do a DEXA scan. I 2025, we decided to do a DEXA scan. I came back at 38% body fat. Uh 202 lbs. came back at 38% body fat. Uh 202 lbs. came back at 38% body fat. Uh 202 lbs. did another one in September. So, did another one in September. So, did another one in September. So, roughly five, six months later, came roughly five, six months later, came roughly five, six months later, came back at 31% body fat. So, I lost a total back at 31% body fat. So, I lost a total back at 31% body fat. So, I lost a total of 20 pounds during that time. 19 lbs. of 20 pounds during that time. 19 lbs. of 20 pounds during that time. 19 lbs. That was fat. One pound of that was That was fat. One pound of that was That was fat. One pound of that was muscle. muscle. muscle. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> Uh decided to do another a pretty >> Uh decided to do another a pretty >> Uh decided to do another a pretty aggressive cut. I'm not going to lie. Uh aggressive cut. I'm not going to lie. Uh aggressive cut. I'm not going to lie. Uh I was trying to lose 100 pounds by the I was trying to lose 100 pounds by the I was trying to lose 100 pounds by the end of the year, which uh I did manage end of the year, which uh I did manage end of the year, which uh I did manage to hit. I did another DEXA scan and it to hit. I did another DEXA scan and it to hit. I did another DEXA scan and it was came back at 23% body fat. I lost 15 was came back at 23% body fat. I lost 15 was came back at 23% body fat. I lost 15 pounds of fat during that time and pounds of fat during that time and pounds of fat during that time and actually gained three pounds of muscle. actually gained three pounds of muscle. actually gained three pounds of muscle. >> Wow. Excellent. >> Wow. Excellent. >> Wow. Excellent. >> Full body split instead of the pushpull >> Full body split instead of the pushpull >> Full body split instead of the pushpull legs. Now the full body split I did uh legs. Now the full body split I did uh legs. Now the full body split I did uh create with my trainer. It is create with my trainer. It is create with my trainer. It is uh two gym focused days and then because uh two gym focused days and then because uh two gym focused days and then because I have access to like a hotel gym. It is I have access to like a hotel gym. It is I have access to like a hotel gym. It is uh usually two full body days and then uh usually two full body days and then uh usually two full body days and then kind of accessory movements on the third kind of accessory movements on the third kind of accessory movements on the third day. And then uh but during that last day. And then uh but during that last day. And then uh but during that last aggressive cut, it was on the workout aggressive cut, it was on the workout aggressive cut, it was on the workout days 1,800 calories, 190 grams of days 1,800 calories, 190 grams of days 1,800 calories, 190 grams of protein, 120 gram of carbs, and 60 g of protein, 120 gram of carbs, and 60 g of protein, 120 gram of carbs, and 60 g of fat. On the rest days, it was 1,500 fat. On the rest days, it was 1,500 fat. On the rest days, it was 1,500 calories, and the entire reduction came calories, and the entire reduction came calories, and the entire reduction came from carbs. So, it was a very aggressive from carbs. So, it was a very aggressive from carbs. So, it was a very aggressive cut. Um, I did eventually again reach cut. Um, I did eventually again reach cut. Um, I did eventually again reach that 100 lb loss, managed to make it that 100 lb loss, managed to make it that 100 lb loss, managed to make it down to 170 lbs and then eventually I down to 170 lbs and then eventually I down to 170 lbs and then eventually I decided I would part ways with my decided I would part ways with my decided I would part ways with my personal trainer. Um, and then was going personal trainer. Um, and then was going personal trainer. Um, and then was going to do a bulk, but I am a little bit to do a bulk, but I am a little bit to do a bulk, but I am a little bit afraid of that bulk. I'm not going to afraid of that bulk. I'm not going to afraid of that bulk. I'm not going to lie. Part of it's the adjusting work lie. Part of it's the adjusting work lie. Part of it's the adjusting work schedule. Part of it's the fact I no schedule. Part of it's the fact I no schedule. Part of it's the fact I no longer have a trainer. And then the longer have a trainer. And then the longer have a trainer. And then the other thing is I don't want to gain an other thing is I don't want to gain an other thing is I don't want to gain an excess amount of fat. excess amount of fat. excess amount of fat. >> Yeah, you're going to be all right. >> Yeah, you're going to be all right. >> Yeah, you're going to be all right. >> You're fine. You're going to be fine. >> You're fine. You're going to be fine. >> You're fine. You're going to be fine. >> You're going to build some muscle, dude. >> You're going to build some muscle, dude. >> You're going to build some muscle, dude. >> Yeah, you won't. it won't happen. Like I >> Yeah, you won't. it won't happen. Like I >> Yeah, you won't. it won't happen. Like I think the fear is like, "Oh my god, if I think the fear is like, "Oh my god, if I think the fear is like, "Oh my god, if I start to bulk or reverse diet, uh then start to bulk or reverse diet, uh then start to bulk or reverse diet, uh then I'm just going to gain all this body fat I'm just going to gain all this body fat I'm just going to gain all this body fat or maybe I'll it'll go off the rails and or maybe I'll it'll go off the rails and or maybe I'll it'll go off the rails and I'll just lose control the whole thing." I'll just lose control the whole thing." I'll just lose control the whole thing." Is typically is typically the fear. Is typically is typically the fear. Is typically is typically the fear. >> So what I like to tell people, Marshall, >> So what I like to tell people, Marshall, >> So what I like to tell people, Marshall, who work with a trainer or a coach in a who work with a trainer or a coach in a who work with a trainer or a coach in a cut is it's just as valuable to work cut is it's just as valuable to work cut is it's just as valuable to work with someone on a reverse. So that same with someone on a reverse. So that same with someone on a reverse. So that same kind of structure uh that accountability kind of structure uh that accountability kind of structure uh that accountability that guidance that guidance that guidance >> that's valuable in a cut that helps you >> that's valuable in a cut that helps you >> that's valuable in a cut that helps you from you know you know going back to from you know you know going back to from you know you know going back to eating the way you did or maybe not miss eating the way you did or maybe not miss eating the way you did or maybe not miss or you know not missing workouts it's or you know not missing workouts it's or you know not missing workouts it's also valuable on the other end. also valuable on the other end. also valuable on the other end. >> Well especially with someone like you >> Well especially with someone like you >> Well especially with someone like you because Marshall the the the the biggest because Marshall the the the the biggest because Marshall the the the the biggest challenge here is going to be you get in challenge here is going to be you get in challenge here is going to be you get in your own way. your own way. your own way. >> That's right. you're you're the the the >> That's right. you're you're the the the >> That's right. you're you're the the the the fear of that weight that you carried the fear of that weight that you carried the fear of that weight that you carried for so long like that's that's still in for so long like that's that's still in for so long like that's that's still in there, right? And and when you reverse there, right? And and when you reverse there, right? And and when you reverse diet, we just had a call with somebody diet, we just had a call with somebody diet, we just had a call with somebody else that I was we were talking about else that I was we were talking about else that I was we were talking about reverse dieting other young man reverse dieting other young man reverse dieting other young man >> and uh he plateaued really hard and his >> and uh he plateaued really hard and his >> and uh he plateaued really hard and his calories were really low. His tes he calories were really low. His tes he calories were really low. His tes he tanked his testosterone and uh I said, tanked his testosterone and uh I said, tanked his testosterone and uh I said, "You got to jump you got to jump 500 "You got to jump you got to jump 500 "You got to jump you got to jump 500 calories and you're going to jump." I calories and you're going to jump." I calories and you're going to jump." I said, "Listen, you're going to you're said, "Listen, you're going to you're said, "Listen, you're going to you're going to put seven pounds on the scale going to put seven pounds on the scale going to put seven pounds on the scale right away." right away." right away." >> I said, "You're going to I knew that >> I said, "You're going to I knew that >> I said, "You're going to I knew that would happen. I was trying to kind of would happen. I was trying to kind of would happen. I was trying to kind of fight the urge on all of those things. I fight the urge on all of those things. I fight the urge on all of those things. I have gotten the blood work done. have gotten the blood work done. have gotten the blood work done. Everything is good. Even in the Everything is good. Even in the Everything is good. Even in the aggressive cut. aggressive cut. aggressive cut. >> Oh, wow. You're going to be good. You're >> Oh, wow. You're going to be good. You're >> Oh, wow. You're going to be good. You're going to do good, bro. going to do good, bro. going to do good, bro. >> Yeah. So, um the main thing, I guess, >> Yeah. So, um the main thing, I guess, >> Yeah. So, um the main thing, I guess, was uh the personal trainer. Um he was uh the personal trainer. Um he was uh the personal trainer. Um he abided by a lot of the things that you abided by a lot of the things that you abided by a lot of the things that you guys recommended, but not everything. guys recommended, but not everything. guys recommended, but not everything. There was definitely some junk volume, There was definitely some junk volume, There was definitely some junk volume, increased cardio, decreased calories, increased cardio, decreased calories, increased cardio, decreased calories, >> and he wanted me to even cut fats, and I >> and he wanted me to even cut fats, and I >> and he wanted me to even cut fats, and I wasn't really willing to go below what I wasn't really willing to go below what I wasn't really willing to go below what I was already at at 60 g. So, was already at at 60 g. So, was already at at 60 g. So, >> good boy. There was definitely some >> good boy. There was definitely some >> good boy. There was definitely some challenges with the personal trainer, challenges with the personal trainer, challenges with the personal trainer, but I guess but I guess but I guess >> How do you feel, >> How do you feel, >> How do you feel, >> Marshall? How do you feel with workouts >> Marshall? How do you feel with workouts >> Marshall? How do you feel with workouts on your own? Do you feel comfortable on your own? Do you feel comfortable on your own? Do you feel comfortable with that? with that? with that? >> Yeah, for the mo most part. I mean, >> Yeah, for the mo most part. I mean, >> Yeah, for the mo most part. I mean, occasionally I have to ask for a occasionally I have to ask for a occasionally I have to ask for a spotter, but nothing more than that. spotter, but nothing more than that. spotter, but nothing more than that. >> All right. So, it's the nutrition >> All right. So, it's the nutrition >> All right. So, it's the nutrition guidance that'll help you the most. guidance that'll help you the most. guidance that'll help you the most. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, I we have coaches that work >> Okay. So, I we have coaches that work >> Okay. So, I we have coaches that work for us. If you if you want a coach to for us. If you if you want a coach to for us. If you if you want a coach to help you on the other end of it, then help you on the other end of it, then help you on the other end of it, then that's what they'll focus on with you that's what they'll focus on with you that's what they'll focus on with you >> is the reverse diet part of it. If you >> is the reverse diet part of it. If you >> is the reverse diet part of it. If you look, here's the deal. you you're you're look, here's the deal. you you're you're look, here's the deal. you you're you're in a perfect place to reverse diet and in a perfect place to reverse diet and in a perfect place to reverse diet and what's going to come from it is a lot of what's going to come from it is a lot of what's going to come from it is a lot of muscle. What's interesting to me I'm muscle. What's interesting to me I'm muscle. What's interesting to me I'm going to tell you this looking at your going to tell you this looking at your going to tell you this looking at your numbers how little muscle you lost numbers how little muscle you lost numbers how little muscle you lost initially and then how you gained muscle initially and then how you gained muscle initially and then how you gained muscle even through this whole process of even through this whole process of even through this whole process of losing weight losing weight losing weight >> tells me you probably have really good >> tells me you probably have really good >> tells me you probably have really good muscle building genetics. muscle building genetics. muscle building genetics. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I would have expected a lot of muscle >> I would have expected a lot of muscle >> I would have expected a lot of muscle loss with some loss with some loss with some >> especially as you got down really low >> especially as you got down really low >> especially as you got down really low calories. the fact that you were able to calories. the fact that you were able to calories. the fact that you were able to still maintain that muscle and or gain still maintain that muscle and or gain still maintain that muscle and or gain muscle and that's muscle and that's muscle and that's >> so what'll probably happen on a good >> so what'll probably happen on a good >> so what'll probably happen on a good smart reverse diet is you're going to smart reverse diet is you're going to smart reverse diet is you're going to build a lot of muscle build a lot of muscle build a lot of muscle >> which is going to be great that's going >> which is going to be great that's going >> which is going to be great that's going to be great because that's going to put to be great because that's going to put to be great because that's going to put you metabolically in a wonderful place you metabolically in a wonderful place you metabolically in a wonderful place and what we want eventually Marshall is and what we want eventually Marshall is and what we want eventually Marshall is for you to be in a place where your for you to be in a place where your for you to be in a place where your maintenance is a lot of calories maintenance is a lot of calories maintenance is a lot of calories >> then then you got all this flexibility >> then then you got all this flexibility >> then then you got all this flexibility you know if you're walking around your you know if you're walking around your you know if you're walking around your maintenance is 1,800 calories 2,000 it's maintenance is 1,800 calories 2,000 it's maintenance is 1,800 calories 2,000 it's like oh man I if I go off on a weekend like oh man I if I go off on a weekend like oh man I if I go off on a weekend or go on a vacation real careful. or go on a vacation real careful. or go on a vacation real careful. >> This is going to mess me. I can't I got >> This is going to mess me. I can't I got >> This is going to mess me. I can't I got to be real scared. I got to be to be real scared. I got to be to be real scared. I got to be controlled with everything. controlled with everything. controlled with everything. >> But I think I think you probably build >> But I think I think you probably build >> But I think I think you probably build muscle really well. muscle really well. muscle really well. >> So, with a good smart reverse diet, we >> So, with a good smart reverse diet, we >> So, with a good smart reverse diet, we pack on some muscle, get you strong, pack on some muscle, get you strong, pack on some muscle, get you strong, which you'll, by the way, fat loss gets which you'll, by the way, fat loss gets which you'll, by the way, fat loss gets way easier way easier way easier >> if you do this right. Way easier. >> if you do this right. Way easier. >> if you do this right. Way easier. >> He had a he had a pushpull legs and then >> He had a he had a pushpull legs and then >> He had a he had a pushpull legs and then he went to like a full body with an he went to like a full body with an he went to like a full body with an accessory. What program will we switch accessory. What program will we switch accessory. What program will we switch him over to right now? Well, if he works him over to right now? Well, if he works him over to right now? Well, if he works with one of our coaches, I think they'll with one of our coaches, I think they'll with one of our coaches, I think they'll be able to give him a get a real good be able to give him a get a real good be able to give him a get a real good idea. idea. idea. >> So, I I think I have um I think it's >> So, I I think I have um I think it's >> So, I I think I have um I think it's anabolic, but um I did kind of model my anabolic, but um I did kind of model my anabolic, but um I did kind of model my thing off of that, but like I said, I thing off of that, but like I said, I thing off of that, but like I said, I have I travel for work, so I have access have I travel for work, so I have access have I travel for work, so I have access to a gym usually two days a week, and to a gym usually two days a week, and to a gym usually two days a week, and then the third day is the hotel gym, so then the third day is the hotel gym, so then the third day is the hotel gym, so it's kind of just dumbbells. it's kind of just dumbbells. it's kind of just dumbbells. >> Yeah. M's perfect for that. >> Yeah. M's perfect for that. >> Yeah. M's perfect for that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're good. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're good. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're good. You're good with that. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You're good with that. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You're good with that. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're doing, bro. You're You're No, you're doing, bro. You're You're No, you're doing, bro. You're You're going to do good. The hardest part will going to do good. The hardest part will going to do good. The hardest part will be the mental part, literally. 100%. be the mental part, literally. 100%. be the mental part, literally. 100%. >> Yeah. Yeah. Fact, your testosterone is >> Yeah. Yeah. Fact, your testosterone is >> Yeah. Yeah. Fact, your testosterone is good. you got all the way down there. good. you got all the way down there. good. you got all the way down there. You got a good programming. Like you're You got a good programming. Like you're You got a good programming. Like you're it's literally just going to be the it's literally just going to be the it's literally just going to be the mental challenge of of fear of going mental challenge of of fear of going mental challenge of of fear of going that way. You're not going to, dude. that way. You're not going to, dude. that way. You're not going to, dude. >> And the scale is going to scare you, >> And the scale is going to scare you, >> And the scale is going to scare you, especially if you start gaining muscle especially if you start gaining muscle especially if you start gaining muscle and you're filling out with glycogen. and you're filling out with glycogen. and you're filling out with glycogen. It's going to freak you out. But I have It's going to freak you out. But I have It's going to freak you out. But I have a feeling you're going to build muscle a feeling you're going to build muscle a feeling you're going to build muscle really quick. really quick. really quick. >> And if you just know, okay, listen, you >> And if you just know, okay, listen, you >> And if you just know, okay, listen, you if you if you increase those calories if you if you increase those calories if you if you increase those calories through good choices, where this goes through good choices, where this goes through good choices, where this goes wrong and off the rails is where wrong and off the rails is where wrong and off the rails is where someone, okay, I'm going to reverse someone, okay, I'm going to reverse someone, okay, I'm going to reverse diet, and then they just start eating diet, and then they just start eating diet, and then they just start eating [ __ ] If you eat good choices when you [ __ ] If you eat good choices when you [ __ ] If you eat good choices when you reverse diet and you're strength reverse diet and you're strength reverse diet and you're strength training with a good program, you the training with a good program, you the training with a good program, you the most of that weight is going to be good most of that weight is going to be good most of that weight is going to be good weight. weight. weight. >> It's going to be good weight like that. >> It's going to be good weight like that. >> It's going to be good weight like that. You're going to be just fine. So again, You're going to be just fine. So again, You're going to be just fine. So again, that's a lot of the coaching sounds like that's a lot of the coaching sounds like that's a lot of the coaching sounds like that with someone like you is just that with someone like you is just that with someone like you is just reminding you like you're doing good, reminding you like you're doing good, reminding you like you're doing good, bro. bro. bro. >> Giving you targets, all that stuff. >> Giving you targets, all that stuff. >> Giving you targets, all that stuff. >> So realistically, if I was So I just >> So realistically, if I was So I just >> So realistically, if I was So I just finished a week of 2,300 calories. I finished a week of 2,300 calories. I finished a week of 2,300 calories. I plan on bumping it to 2500 calories. And plan on bumping it to 2500 calories. And plan on bumping it to 2500 calories. And again, all of that go into carbs and again, all of that go into carbs and again, all of that go into carbs and fats. Um, so I'm still hitting 190 g of fats. Um, so I'm still hitting 190 g of fats. Um, so I'm still hitting 190 g of protein. Would that work if I just protein. Would that work if I just protein. Would that work if I just continue gradually increasing calories continue gradually increasing calories continue gradually increasing calories in that way? in that way? in that way? >> Yep. Yeah. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Yep. Yeah. >> You can even go more protein if you >> You can even go more protein if you >> You can even go more protein if you like. like. like. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> What's your target body weight? >> What's your target body weight? >> What's your target body weight? >> If if you digest protein well >> If if you digest protein well >> If if you digest protein well >> and you like and you like it, I mean, >> and you like and you like it, I mean, >> and you like and you like it, I mean, >> what's your target body weight? What do >> what's your target body weight? What do >> what's your target body weight? What do you want to like? you want to like? you want to like? >> So, this morning I weighed in at 176 >> So, this morning I weighed in at 176 >> So, this morning I weighed in at 176 lbs. Um, I plan to bulk until March or lbs. Um, I plan to bulk until March or lbs. Um, I plan to bulk until March or April or until I hit 200 lb, whichever April or until I hit 200 lb, whichever April or until I hit 200 lb, whichever happens first. Yeah. happens first. Yeah. happens first. Yeah. >> And then cut back down. >> And then cut back down. >> And then cut back down. >> No, you're on point. Yeah, 200 grams of >> No, you're on point. Yeah, 200 grams of >> No, you're on point. Yeah, 200 grams of protein is great then. Yeah, you're on protein is great then. Yeah, you're on protein is great then. Yeah, you're on point. Okay. point. Okay. point. Okay. >> Yep. Yep. 100%. Mhm. Yeah. You're doing >> Yep. Yep. 100%. Mhm. Yeah. You're doing >> Yep. Yep. 100%. Mhm. Yeah. You're doing good, dude. You're doing real good. good, dude. You're doing real good. good, dude. You're doing real good. >> I'd love to. >> I'd love to. >> I'd love to. >> Okay. So, and then in terms of I guess >> Okay. So, and then in terms of I guess >> Okay. So, and then in terms of I guess ensuring that it's a muscle gain and not ensuring that it's a muscle gain and not ensuring that it's a muscle gain and not fat. What's the best way to do that? fat. What's the best way to do that? fat. What's the best way to do that? >> Just Dex scan every, you know, maybe 45 >> Just Dex scan every, you know, maybe 45 >> Just Dex scan every, you know, maybe 45 to 60 days. to 60 days. to 60 days. >> Yeah. Also, strength. >> Yeah. Also, strength. >> Yeah. Also, strength. >> Strength. Yeah. >> Strength. Yeah. >> Strength. Yeah. >> I mean, strength is obvious that's your >> I mean, strength is obvious that's your >> I mean, strength is obvious that's your that's your weekly indicator you're that's your weekly indicator you're that's your weekly indicator you're heading down the right path, right? if heading down the right path, right? if heading down the right path, right? if you're getting stronger, uh, feeling you're getting stronger, uh, feeling you're getting stronger, uh, feeling good, like you're probably doing all the good, like you're probably doing all the good, like you're probably doing all the right things. But a check in every 45 to right things. But a check in every 45 to right things. But a check in every 45 to 60 days with like a DEXIX scan just like 60 days with like a DEXIX scan just like 60 days with like a DEXIX scan just like you've been doing, just to make sure. you've been doing, just to make sure. you've been doing, just to make sure. And again, don't freak out if you've And again, don't freak out if you've And again, don't freak out if you've gained one or two pounds of fat, that's gained one or two pounds of fat, that's gained one or two pounds of fat, that's totally normal. Like, as long if you're totally normal. Like, as long if you're totally normal. Like, as long if you're if we're moving in the right direction, if we're moving in the right direction, if we're moving in the right direction, you're building more muscle than you are you're building more muscle than you are you're building more muscle than you are fat and you're increasing calories, fat and you're increasing calories, fat and you're increasing calories, that's a win. That's what we're that's that's a win. That's what we're that's that's a win. That's what we're that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to what we're trying to do. We're trying to what we're trying to do. We're trying to we're trying to add more muscle than fat we're trying to add more muscle than fat we're trying to add more muscle than fat and increase calories and you're doing and increase calories and you're doing and increase calories and you're doing the right thing. Don't forget this, the right thing. Don't forget this, the right thing. Don't forget this, Marshall, cuz if you do an exit scan, it Marshall, cuz if you do an exit scan, it Marshall, cuz if you do an exit scan, it may say, I don't know, oh, you gained 8 may say, I don't know, oh, you gained 8 may say, I don't know, oh, you gained 8 pounds of muscle and you gained three l pounds of muscle and you gained three l pounds of muscle and you gained three l pounds of fat. Like, oh man, I gained pounds of fat. Like, oh man, I gained pounds of fat. Like, oh man, I gained fat. You're actually you pro I don't fat. You're actually you pro I don't fat. You're actually you pro I don't know the numbers, but you're probably know the numbers, but you're probably know the numbers, but you're probably leaner now because you're it's a body leaner now because you're it's a body leaner now because you're it's a body fat percentage. fat percentage. fat percentage. >> So, so that's the So, keep that in mind >> So, so that's the So, keep that in mind >> So, so that's the So, keep that in mind as well. Not to mention, you are now a as well. Not to mention, you are now a as well. Not to mention, you are now a body that's can eating eating 500 more body that's can eating eating 500 more body that's can eating eating 500 more calories than what you were every single calories than what you were every single calories than what you were every single day, which is like that's like my my day, which is like that's like my my day, which is like that's like my my gate. Like uh I care less as long as gate. Like uh I care less as long as gate. Like uh I care less as long as what I don't want to see is you put 10 what I don't want to see is you put 10 what I don't want to see is you put 10 lbs on and seven of it's fat and three lbs on and seven of it's fat and three lbs on and seven of it's fat and three of it's muscle, we're that means that of it's muscle, we're that means that of it's muscle, we're that means that tells me we're bulking too fast. tells me we're bulking too fast. tells me we're bulking too fast. >> But if I'm putting on more muscle than >> But if I'm putting on more muscle than >> But if I'm putting on more muscle than you are body fat and I'm increasing you are body fat and I'm increasing you are body fat and I'm increasing calories, that's a win. Yep. calories, that's a win. Yep. calories, that's a win. Yep. >> That means we are building muscle at a >> That means we are building muscle at a >> That means we are building muscle at a faster rate than we are adding body fat faster rate than we are adding body fat faster rate than we are adding body fat and increasing calories, you're doing and increasing calories, you're doing and increasing calories, you're doing pretty damn good. So, don't worry about pretty damn good. So, don't worry about pretty damn good. So, don't worry about a couple pounds of fat here. If more of a couple pounds of fat here. If more of a couple pounds of fat here. If more of it is coming in muscle and you're in in it is coming in muscle and you're in in it is coming in muscle and you're in in in a calorie surplus, that's what we in a calorie surplus, that's what we in a calorie surplus, that's what we just don't want to see. A flip-flop to just don't want to see. A flip-flop to just don't want to see. A flip-flop to me tells me I moved too I increased too me tells me I moved too I increased too me tells me I moved too I increased too fast. Too aggressive. fast. Too aggressive. fast. Too aggressive. >> How do you feel at 2,300 calories? >> How do you feel at 2,300 calories? >> How do you feel at 2,300 calories? >> I mean, I feel better. It's definitely >> I mean, I feel better. It's definitely >> I mean, I feel better. It's definitely uh the energy is significantly higher uh the energy is significantly higher uh the energy is significantly higher with the the increasing carbs. with the the increasing carbs. with the the increasing carbs. >> Yeah. Yeah. Wait till you get to 28. >> Yeah. Yeah. Wait till you get to 28. >> Yeah. Yeah. Wait till you get to 28. >> I am afraid to go higher. I'm not going >> I am afraid to go higher. I'm not going >> I am afraid to go higher. I'm not going to lie. to lie. to lie. >> No, you're going to be all right. You're >> No, you're going to be all right. You're >> No, you're going to be all right. You're going to be all right. going to be all right. going to be all right. >> Well, let let us know if you want one of >> Well, let let us know if you want one of >> Well, let let us know if you want one of our coaches to work with you through our coaches to work with you through our coaches to work with you through this process. But otherwise, I mean, this process. But otherwise, I mean, this process. But otherwise, I mean, you're you're doing great, dude. you're you're doing great, dude. you're you're doing great, dude. >> That's what they would do. what they >> That's what they would do. what they >> That's what they would do. what they would do with you through this process would do with you through this process would do with you through this process because it's it's it is kind of because it's it's it is kind of because it's it's it is kind of inevitable. You're going to have those inevitable. You're going to have those inevitable. You're going to have those moments uh with those challenges, moments uh with those challenges, moments uh with those challenges, slowing down the reverse, changing the slowing down the reverse, changing the slowing down the reverse, changing the programming up a little bit. I might I programming up a little bit. I might I programming up a little bit. I might I might if I was coaching you, I might might if I was coaching you, I might might if I was coaching you, I might Hey, this week we're going to do a Hey, this week we're going to do a Hey, this week we're going to do a little mini cut. Let's interrupt the little mini cut. Let's interrupt the little mini cut. Let's interrupt the bulk for one week bulk for one week bulk for one week >> depending on to give you a diet break if >> depending on to give you a diet break if >> depending on to give you a diet break if you're starting to feel, oh god, I feel you're starting to feel, oh god, I feel you're starting to feel, oh god, I feel blow. Like, so there's a lot of things blow. Like, so there's a lot of things blow. Like, so there's a lot of things that this is what a coach would do to that this is what a coach would do to that this is what a coach would do to help you through the mental process. But help you through the mental process. But help you through the mental process. But to be honest, you're doing a really good to be honest, you're doing a really good to be honest, you're doing a really good job, dude. You are. job, dude. You are. job, dude. You are. >> Okay. I was considering doing like a 3WE >> Okay. I was considering doing like a 3WE >> Okay. I was considering doing like a 3WE bulk one week mini cut. I was thinking bulk one week mini cut. I was thinking bulk one week mini cut. I was thinking about doing that, but I wasn't sure that about doing that, but I wasn't sure that about doing that, but I wasn't sure that was the was the was the >> You could totally do that. You could do >> You could totally do that. You could do >> You could totally do that. You could do that. And but honestly, that's more for that. And but honestly, that's more for that. And but honestly, that's more for the psychological reason why I would do the psychological reason why I would do the psychological reason why I would do that. Not because you need to do that. that. Not because you need to do that. that. Not because you need to do that. >> It's it's just like if I was coaching >> It's it's just like if I was coaching >> It's it's just like if I was coaching you and you're you're constantly giving you and you're you're constantly giving you and you're you're constantly giving me this feedback like, "Oh my god, Adam, me this feedback like, "Oh my god, Adam, me this feedback like, "Oh my god, Adam, I feel bloated. I feel this." And like I I feel bloated. I feel this." And like I I feel bloated. I feel this." And like I I hear that a lot. I hear that a lot. I hear that a lot. >> Then be like, "All right, come on. One >> Then be like, "All right, come on. One >> Then be like, "All right, come on. One more week we're going to say these high more week we're going to say these high more week we're going to say these high calories and then next week I'm going to calories and then next week I'm going to calories and then next week I'm going to cut your calories." And then I cut your cut your calories." And then I cut your cut your calories." And then I cut your calories, give you a diet break, and calories, give you a diet break, and calories, give you a diet break, and then I know what will happen. and you'll then I know what will happen. and you'll then I know what will happen. and you'll get hungry again and then I'll be like, get hungry again and then I'll be like, get hungry again and then I'll be like, "All right, let's go back up." And so "All right, let's go back up." And so "All right, let's go back up." And so that it's more psychological than it's that it's more psychological than it's that it's more psychological than it's like this, you know, perfect strategy to like this, you know, perfect strategy to like this, you know, perfect strategy to only put muscle on. It's like that. It's only put muscle on. It's like that. It's only put muscle on. It's like that. It's it's less that it's more that would be it's less that it's more that would be it's less that it's more that would be me hearing you out. You don't need to do me hearing you out. You don't need to do me hearing you out. You don't need to do that, but you can. that, but you can. that, but you can. >> Okay. And then in terms of cardio, is >> Okay. And then in terms of cardio, is >> Okay. And then in terms of cardio, is there anything you recommend and just there anything you recommend and just there anything you recommend and just 10,000 steps a day? Is that 10,000 steps a day? Is that 10,000 steps a day? Is that >> just keep on just keep your steps up. >> just keep on just keep your steps up. >> just keep on just keep your steps up. You're fine. You're fine. You're fine. >> Yeah. Keep your steps up. Keep move be >> Yeah. Keep your steps up. Keep move be >> Yeah. Keep your steps up. Keep move be active. Uh but don't go out of your active. Uh but don't go out of your active. Uh but don't go out of your You're on a reverse diet, so I don't You're on a reverse diet, so I don't You're on a reverse diet, so I don't need you going out of your way to get need you going out of your way to get need you going out of your way to get over activity. just be be your active over activity. just be be your active over activity. just be be your active normal self. normal self. normal self. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> All right. I appreciate it. >> All right. I appreciate it. >> All right. I appreciate it. >> You got it, man. >> You got it, man. >> You got it, man. >> Doing good, dude. I'd love to hear back >> Doing good, dude. I'd love to hear back >> Doing good, dude. I'd love to hear back from you if you don't if you don't end from you if you don't if you don't end from you if you don't if you don't end up with one of our coaches. I would love up with one of our coaches. I would love up with one of our coaches. I would love to hear back from you anyways. to hear back from you anyways. to hear back from you anyways. >> Okay. Well, I just emailed back at the >> Okay. Well, I just emailed back at the >> Okay. Well, I just emailed back at the same thing. same thing. same thing. >> Uh we could have somebody reach out to >> Uh we could have somebody reach out to >> Uh we could have somebody reach out to you today. you today. you today. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. I appreciate it. >> All right. I appreciate it. >> All right. I appreciate it. >> All right, Marshall. >> All right, Marshall. >> All right, Marshall. >> You got it. >> You got it. >> You got it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> You got it. >> You got it. >> You got it. >> Man, I I I'm shocked. Dude, I am blown >> Man, I I I'm shocked. Dude, I am blown >> Man, I I I'm shocked. Dude, I am blown away that he was able to go that low of away that he was able to go that low of away that he was able to go that low of calories and see a increase in muscle calories and see a increase in muscle calories and see a increase in muscle and keep his testosterone levels. and keep his testosterone levels. and keep his testosterone levels. >> That tells me that he's got he's got >> That tells me that he's got he's got >> That tells me that he's got he's got genetics. genetics. genetics. >> He's got good genetics cuz you >> He's got good genetics cuz you >> He's got good genetics cuz you rare. rare. rare. >> I've known people like this. They go >> I've known people like this. They go >> I've known people like this. They go real low calorie and don't lose any real low calorie and don't lose any real low calorie and don't lose any muscle. muscle. muscle. >> I don't know a lot of people like that, >> I don't know a lot of people like that, >> I don't know a lot of people like that, but but I've known people like that. but but I've known people like that. but but I've known people like that. What is going on? What is going on? What is going on? >> It's wild. My uh my ex was like that. We >> It's wild. My uh my ex was like that. We >> It's wild. My uh my ex was like that. We we used to have to like like dangerously we used to have to like like dangerously we used to have to like like dangerously diet her low calorie diet her low calorie diet her low calorie >> and she wouldn't lose a single >> and she wouldn't lose a single >> and she wouldn't lose a single >> and she wouldn't lose a single pound and >> and she wouldn't lose a single pound and >> and she wouldn't lose a single pound and also she made it hard for her to lose also she made it hard for her to lose also she made it hard for her to lose body fat like she her body just held on body fat like she her body just held on body fat like she her body just held on like just held on. But you could put her like just held on. But you could put her like just held on. But you could put her at such low calorie and just keep every at such low calorie and just keep every at such low calorie and just keep every pound of muscle on her like I was so pound of muscle on her like I was so pound of muscle on her like I was so jealous. jealous. jealous. >> I drop calories muscle just >> I drop calories muscle just >> I drop calories muscle just >> Yeah. comes off just as fast. >> Yeah. comes off just as fast. >> Yeah. comes off just as fast. >> Falls out of my pockets. >> Falls out of my pockets. >> Falls out of my pockets. >> All right. I know you like that episode. >> All right. I know you like that episode. >> All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. Walking. If you did, check this one out. Walking. If you did, check this one out. Walking. It's one of the best things you could do It's one of the best things you could do It's one of the best things you could do for your health, bar none. But there's a for your health, bar none. But there's a for your health, bar none. But there's a better way to approach it. Yes, you can better way to approach it. Yes, you can better way to approach it. Yes, you can just walk, but if you follow the right just walk, but if you follow the right just walk, but if you follow the right protocol, it's far more effective. Let's protocol, it's far more effective. Let's protocol, it's far more effective. Let's talk about talk about talk about >> walking. I can't wait to hear your >> walking. I can't wait to hear your >> walking. I can't wait to hear your walking protocol. walking protocol. walking protocol. >> Well, there is. Well, there is a >> Well, there is. Well, there is a >> Well, there is. Well, there is a protocol. So, and I'll start with the protocol. So, and I'll start with the protocol. So, and I'll start with the first thing, right? Cuz just first off, first thing, right? Cuz just first off, first thing, right? Cuz just first off, uh let me start with this. One of the uh let me start with this. One of the uh let me start with this. One of the reasons why walking um is such a great reasons why walking um is such a great reasons why walking um is such a great form of just activity is because it's form of just activity is because it's form of just activity is because it's low risk of injury. Now some