The Workout Women Should Be Doing (But Nobody Talks About) | Mind Pump 2806

March 4, 2026 1h 46m
Summary published by 1% Better, updated March 17, 2026.
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Key Takeaway

The best strength training approach combines elements from powerlifting, CrossFit, and bodybuilding—each offering unique benefits. Start with powerlifting to build foundational strength and shift focus from appearance to performance. Progress to CrossFit-style training for mobility and movement variety. End with bodybuilding for longevity, nutritional mastery, and sustainable training that can last a lifetime. The key insight: don't drink the Kool-Aid of any single camp—understand the pros and cons of each modality and integrate what serves your goals.
Episode Overview

This episode is a deep dive debate comparing three major strength training modalities: powerlifting, CrossFit, and bodybuilding, specifically discussing which is best for women. The hosts explore the unique benefits and drawbacks of each approach, from community support and body image focus to longevity and nutritional education. They ultimately propose an ideal progression path: starting with powerlifting for foundational strength, moving to CrossFit for mobility and functional movement, and settling into bodybuilding for long-term sustainability and nutritional mastery.
Main Insights

Powerlifting Shifts Focus from Appearance to Performance

Powerlifting emphasizes strength over aesthetics, making it particularly valuable for women who are constantly told their value lies in appearance. The focus on getting stronger rather than looking a certain way helps correct unhealthy patterns of undereating and overtraining that plague many women in fitness.
CrossFit Builds the Best Community but Has High Injury Risk

CrossFit's greatest strength is its supportive, encouraging community that keeps people consistent with training. However, the class-based format with high-intensity, complex movements performed for time creates significant injury risk, especially for beginners who lack body awareness and movement proficiency.
Bodybuilding Teaches Advanced Nutrition and Promotes Longevity

Bodybuilders develop the deepest understanding of nutrition, from macros to food quality to meal timing. The training style is also most sustainable long-term, with lower injury risk than powerlifting or CrossFit. However, the focus on appearance and the mirror can create unhealthy body image issues if pursued too early in one's fitness journey.
The Ideal Progression: Powerlifting → CrossFit → Bodybuilding

Starting with powerlifting builds foundational strength with simple, fundamental movements. Moving to CrossFit adds mobility, movement variety, and community. Ending with bodybuilding provides the nutritional education and sustainable training style for lifelong fitness. By the time you reach bodybuilding, you're secure enough to handle the appearance focus without developing unhealthy patterns.
Elite Coaching Requires Mastery of All Three Modalities

The best coaches develop three key attributes from these modalities: ability to teach fundamental movements (powerlifting), deep nutritional knowledge (bodybuilding), and mobility expertise (CrossFit/functional training). Training clients across different personalities and goals reveals the value in all approaches rather than dogmatically following one camp.
Notable Quotes

"The best form of strength training for women, for most women, the vast majority of women, is powerlifting. Challenge me. I dare you."

Sal
"Powerlifting is so good for women in particular for a few different reasons. Number one, of all of the strength sports, powerlifting's very not body image focused. It's very much not focused on how you look."

Sal
"It's all about how you look. Then number two, it's about getting strong. And it's hard to starve yourself and undereat and overtrain and over cardio. You're not getting stronger."

Sal
"Functional training has its roots in bodybuilding. Bodybuilders didn't come at it from the same perspective. They weren't thinking functional. They were thinking symmetry, balance, aesthetics."

Sal
"The irony of all this in my opinion is that none of us are making the argument for CrossFit. Yet, I think if CrossFit was done in a non-competitive type of format, the type of exercise, it would be the most functional and it would be the most beneficial for longevity."

Adam
Action Items

Suggested exercises inspired by the conversation.
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Start Your Strength Journey with Powerlifting Fundamentals
Begin by learning and mastering the three fundamental powerlifting movements: squat, bench press, and deadlift. Focus on getting stronger rather than changing how you look. This builds a solid foundation and establishes a healthy relationship with performance-based goals rather than appearance-based metrics.
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Progress to Functional Movement Training
After building base strength with powerlifting (6-12 months), incorporate CrossFit-style functional movements to develop mobility, train in multiple planes of motion, and improve overall athleticism. Focus on proper form and skill development rather than competing for time or max reps.
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Settle Into Bodybuilding for Long-Term Sustainability
Once you have foundational strength and movement proficiency, adopt bodybuilding-style training for the rest of your life. This allows you to learn advanced nutrition, develop muscle symmetry, train with lower injury risk, and maintain fitness well into old age. By this point, you'll be secure enough to handle the appearance focus without developing unhealthy patterns.
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Don't Drink the Kool-Aid of Any Single Camp
Avoid becoming dogmatic about any single training modality. Understand the pros and cons of each approach and integrate elements from all three based on your current goals, life stage, and needs. Remember that the best approach combines the strengths of powerlifting, CrossFit, and bodybuilding while minimizing their weaknesses.
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The best form of strength training for The best form of strength training for women, for most women, the vast majority women, for most women, the vast majority women, for most women, the vast majority of women, is powerlifting. Challenge me. of women, is powerlifting. Challenge me. of women, is powerlifting. Challenge me. I dare you. I dare you. I dare you. &gt;&gt; Powerlifting for women. &gt;&gt; Powerlifting for women. &gt;&gt; Powerlifting for women. &gt;&gt; Oh, I want to make I I'm going to say &gt;&gt; Oh, I want to make I I'm going to say &gt;&gt; Oh, I want to make I I'm going to say bodybuilding, bro. bodybuilding, bro. bodybuilding, bro. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Well, let me tell you where I came &gt;&gt; Yeah. Well, let me tell you where I came &gt;&gt; Yeah. Well, let me tell you where I came from, where I'm coming from with this from, where I'm coming from with this from, where I'm coming from with this and then I think this will be a good and then I think this will be a good and then I think this will be a good discussion. discussion. discussion. &gt;&gt; No, I mean, somebody out there is saying I mean, somebody out there is saying that. that. that. &gt;&gt; We sure for sure. So, that's a great &gt;&gt; We sure for sure. So, that's a great &gt;&gt; We sure for sure. So, that's a great discussion. Uh so uh ran into a friend discussion. Uh so uh ran into a friend discussion. Uh so uh ran into a friend of mine uh at the gym this morning. And of mine uh at the gym this morning. And of mine uh at the gym this morning. And she's relatively new uh to strength she's relatively new uh to strength she's relatively new uh to strength training. So some she hasn't been doing training. So some she hasn't been doing training. So some she hasn't been doing this for years. It's been less than a this for years. It's been less than a this for years. It's been less than a year. Uh she's been getting fit, getting year. Uh she's been getting fit, getting year. Uh she's been getting fit, getting into it, tracking macros, the whole into it, tracking macros, the whole into it, tracking macros, the whole thing. And I walk by her working out. thing. And I walk by her working out. thing. And I walk by her working out. Okay. So she's bench pressing. Yeah. Okay. So she's bench pressing. Yeah. Okay. So she's bench pressing. Yeah. &gt;&gt; And like I said, she's relatively new. &gt;&gt; And like I said, she's relatively new. &gt;&gt; And like I said, she's relatively new. She has like 135 pounds on the bar. She has like 135 pounds on the bar. She has like 135 pounds on the bar. &gt;&gt; So I walk by, I see her, I say hi to &gt;&gt; So I walk by, I see her, I say hi to &gt;&gt; So I walk by, I see her, I say hi to her. I doing a set and then I'm her. I doing a set and then I'm her. I doing a set and then I'm registering my head like what is that? registering my head like what is that? registering my head like what is that? like someone needs to tell her she's like someone needs to tell her she's like someone needs to tell her she's really strong, you know? So, I go over really strong, you know? So, I go over really strong, you know? So, I go over to her and I talk to her. I'm like, to her and I talk to her. I'm like, to her and I talk to her. I'm like, "Have you ever thought about "Have you ever thought about "Have you ever thought about powerlifting?" She's like, "No." I'm powerlifting?" She's like, "No." I'm powerlifting?" She's like, "No." I'm like, "I think that I mean, you have a like, "I think that I mean, you have a like, "I think that I mean, you have a kid." kid." kid." &gt;&gt; Oh, she's not even a powerlifter. &gt;&gt; Oh, she's not even a powerlifter. &gt;&gt; Oh, she's not even a powerlifter. &gt;&gt; No, no, no. She's just working out on &gt;&gt; No, no, no. She's just working out on &gt;&gt; No, no, no. She's just working out on her own. She's in fact, she worked out her own. She's in fact, she worked out her own. She's in fact, she worked out with a trainer for a little while. Like, with a trainer for a little while. Like, with a trainer for a little while. Like, this is totally new to her. this is totally new to her. this is totally new to her. &gt;&gt; Wow. &gt;&gt; Wow. &gt;&gt; Wow. &gt;&gt; So, then I'm thinking about it and you &gt;&gt; So, then I'm thinking about it and you &gt;&gt; So, then I'm thinking about it and you know, powerlifting is so good for women know, powerlifting is so good for women know, powerlifting is so good for women in particular for a few different in particular for a few different in particular for a few different reasons. number one of all of the reasons. number one of all of the reasons. number one of all of the strength sports, strength sports, strength sports, uh, and there's other ones that are that uh, and there's other ones that are that uh, and there's other ones that are that are like this, but powerlifting's not are like this, but powerlifting's not are like this, but powerlifting's not it's very not body image focused. It's it's very not body image focused. It's it's very not body image focused. It's very much not focused on how you look, very much not focused on how you look, very much not focused on how you look, &gt;&gt; which benefits a lot of people, but &gt;&gt; which benefits a lot of people, but &gt;&gt; which benefits a lot of people, but especially women because women especially women because women especially women because women &gt;&gt; redirects it more to strength. &gt;&gt; redirects it more to strength. &gt;&gt; redirects it more to strength. &gt;&gt; Yeah. And they're constantly told that &gt;&gt; Yeah. And they're constantly told that &gt;&gt; Yeah. And they're constantly told that their value is how they look and they their value is how they look and they their value is how they look and they pursue fitness for the look. I know this pursue fitness for the look. I know this pursue fitness for the look. I know this is true for men as well, but it's women is true for men as well, but it's women is true for men as well, but it's women are especially hammered with this are especially hammered with this are especially hammered with this message. It's all about how you look. message. It's all about how you look. message. It's all about how you look. Then number two, it's about getting Then number two, it's about getting Then number two, it's about getting strong. And it's hard to starve yourself strong. And it's hard to starve yourself strong. And it's hard to starve yourself and undereat and overtrain and overc and undereat and overtrain and overc and undereat and overtrain and overc cardio. cardio. cardio. &gt;&gt; It doesn't move the needle. &gt;&gt; It doesn't move the needle. &gt;&gt; It doesn't move the needle. &gt;&gt; You're not getting stronger. So if &gt;&gt; You're not getting stronger. So if &gt;&gt; You're not getting stronger. So if you're focused on powerlifting, getting you're focused on powerlifting, getting you're focused on powerlifting, getting stronger, stronger, stronger, &gt;&gt; that tends to correct a lot of those &gt;&gt; that tends to correct a lot of those &gt;&gt; that tends to correct a lot of those other things. And then lastly, I was other things. And then lastly, I was other things. And then lastly, I was thinking about community. And I'm thinking about community. And I'm thinking about community. And I'm thinking, you know, here's this young thinking, you know, here's this young thinking, you know, here's this young woman. woman. woman. &gt;&gt; She's in getting into fitness. She's &gt;&gt; She's in getting into fitness. She's &gt;&gt; She's in getting into fitness. She's starting to lift weights. What a great starting to lift weights. What a great starting to lift weights. What a great community to be a part of. It's so community to be a part of. It's so community to be a part of. It's so supportive. It's like one of the supportive. It's like one of the supportive. It's like one of the community I've never It's one of the community I've never It's one of the community I've never It's one of the best communities I've ever witnessed best communities I've ever witnessed best communities I've ever witnessed where you could be old, young, you could where you could be old, young, you could where you could be old, young, you could be a beginner, you could be objectively be a beginner, you could be objectively be a beginner, you could be objectively strong, objectively not strong, and strong, objectively not strong, and strong, objectively not strong, and everybody is like, "You could do it. everybody is like, "You could do it. everybody is like, "You could do it. This is awesome." And it's just like This is awesome." And it's just like This is awesome." And it's just like really supportive. So when I combine really supportive. So when I combine really supportive. So when I combine that with some of the struggles that that with some of the struggles that that with some of the struggles that women tend to be uniquely challenged women tend to be uniquely challenged women tend to be uniquely challenged with, I think like this is a great D. I with, I think like this is a great D. I with, I think like this is a great D. I don't think it's the beall end all, but don't think it's the beall end all, but don't think it's the beall end all, but I think it's the best. I think it's the best. I think it's the best. &gt;&gt; So this is an interesting argument. So, &gt;&gt; So this is an interesting argument. So, &gt;&gt; So this is an interesting argument. So, if we were to take like the three like if we were to take like the three like if we were to take like the three like most popular like CrossFit, most popular like CrossFit, most popular like CrossFit, powerlifting, and bodybuilding. powerlifting, and bodybuilding. powerlifting, and bodybuilding. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; And you were to take So, let's just say &gt;&gt; And you were to take So, let's just say &gt;&gt; And you were to take So, let's just say we're going to argue those three we're going to argue those three we're going to argue those three &gt;&gt; and then we're going to say things like &gt;&gt; and then we're going to say things like &gt;&gt; and then we're going to say things like uh like you said, body image, strength, uh like you said, body image, strength, uh like you said, body image, strength, &gt;&gt; community, &gt;&gt; community, &gt;&gt; community, &gt;&gt; sculpting the body, community, &gt;&gt; sculpting the body, community, &gt;&gt; sculpting the body, community, &gt;&gt; uh, and we were to take each one, I &gt;&gt; uh, and we were to take each one, I &gt;&gt; uh, and we were to take each one, I wouldn't give Yeah. Longevity. There's wouldn't give Yeah. Longevity. There's wouldn't give Yeah. Longevity. There's you got to have everything. Right. you got to have everything. Right. you got to have everything. Right. Right. So, longevity. I think that Right. So, longevity. I think that Right. So, longevity. I think that absolutely should be in there. Um absolutely should be in there. Um absolutely should be in there. Um I so and if those are like the the main I so and if those are like the the main I so and if those are like the the main attributes that we're seeking then I I attributes that we're seeking then I I attributes that we're seeking then I I don't think that powerlifting wins in don't think that powerlifting wins in don't think that powerlifting wins in the community department. I think the community department. I think the community department. I think CrossFit wins in the community CrossFit wins in the community CrossFit wins in the community department. So I think they they they department. So I think they they they department. So I think they they they they beat them. they beat them. they beat them. &gt;&gt; They definitely have a make an argument. &gt;&gt; They definitely have a make an argument. &gt;&gt; They definitely have a make an argument. &gt;&gt; Oh yeah, they definitely have a great as &gt;&gt; Oh yeah, they definitely have a great as &gt;&gt; Oh yeah, they definitely have a great as much as none of us here are pro big much as none of us here are pro big much as none of us here are pro big &gt;&gt; crossfit that was their big sell. &gt;&gt; crossfit that was their big sell. &gt;&gt; crossfit that was their big sell. &gt;&gt; Yeah. And I mean it's very obvious to me &gt;&gt; Yeah. And I mean it's very obvious to me &gt;&gt; Yeah. And I mean it's very obvious to me uh like almost everybody I've ever tried uh like almost everybody I've ever tried uh like almost everybody I've ever tried to talk out of CrossFit. That's the to talk out of CrossFit. That's the to talk out of CrossFit. That's the number one reason why fervorous. Yeah. number one reason why fervorous. Yeah. number one reason why fervorous. Yeah. They're like I I love my community. I They're like I I love my community. I They're like I I love my community. I love people and and normally that's what love people and and normally that's what love people and and normally that's what I I I would normally go, hey, we'll keep I I I would normally go, hey, we'll keep I I I would normally go, hey, we'll keep doing it then. Just try and modify this doing it then. Just try and modify this doing it then. Just try and modify this and I try and modify things. and I try and modify things. and I try and modify things. &gt;&gt; Um so I think they win there. Uh &gt;&gt; Um so I think they win there. Uh &gt;&gt; Um so I think they win there. Uh longevity. I think bodybuilding wins. longevity. I think bodybuilding wins. longevity. I think bodybuilding wins. &gt;&gt; I agree. &gt;&gt; I agree. &gt;&gt; I agree. &gt;&gt; You know, so I also think bodybuilding &gt;&gt; You know, so I also think bodybuilding &gt;&gt; You know, so I also think bodybuilding wins on uh sculpting. Now wins on uh sculpting. Now wins on uh sculpting. Now &gt;&gt; body image wins for powerlifting for &gt;&gt; body image wins for powerlifting for &gt;&gt; body image wins for powerlifting for sure. like cuz and and the way you sure. like cuz and and the way you sure. like cuz and and the way you presented it I think that's a fair presented it I think that's a fair presented it I think that's a fair argument because uh in our experience um argument because uh in our experience um argument because uh in our experience um you know I think es especially women I you know I think es especially women I you know I think es especially women I think get marketed to and have been think get marketed to and have been think get marketed to and have been marketed to for a very long time this marketed to for a very long time this marketed to for a very long time this you know skinny petite yeah be smaller you know skinny petite yeah be smaller you know skinny petite yeah be smaller look I think that's changing I think uh look I think that's changing I think uh look I think that's changing I think uh and I actually credit CrossFit for a lot and I actually credit CrossFit for a lot and I actually credit CrossFit for a lot of that because I think you started to of that because I think you started to of that because I think you started to see these women with like shape and see these women with like shape and see these women with like shape and strength to them that has gotten uh I strength to them that has gotten uh I strength to them that has gotten uh I think being a strong or a muscle mommy think being a strong or a muscle mommy think being a strong or a muscle mommy has become has become has become &gt;&gt; uh more popular. But if you ask I mean I &gt;&gt; uh more popular. But if you ask I mean I &gt;&gt; uh more popular. But if you ask I mean I don't know I'm uh now uh if I if if I don't know I'm uh now uh if I if if I don't know I'm uh now uh if I if if I could take the competition out of all could take the competition out of all could take the competition out of all three of them. So no no powerlifting three of them. So no no powerlifting three of them. So no no powerlifting competition, no CrossFit competition, competition, no CrossFit competition, competition, no CrossFit competition, but just the style of training, I go but just the style of training, I go but just the style of training, I go bodybuilding all day bodybuilding all day bodybuilding all day &gt;&gt; because I definitely think that um the &gt;&gt; because I definitely think that um the &gt;&gt; because I definitely think that um the the competition of bodybuilding would the competition of bodybuilding would the competition of bodybuilding would lose for me for the for the diet aspect. lose for me for the for the diet aspect. lose for me for the for the diet aspect. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, &gt;&gt; because you &gt;&gt; because you &gt;&gt; because you &gt;&gt; Well, you mean the body image &gt;&gt; Well, you mean the body image &gt;&gt; Well, you mean the body image &gt;&gt; the body image and the diet as bad both. &gt;&gt; the body image and the diet as bad both. &gt;&gt; the body image and the diet as bad both. &gt;&gt; You you you create such a a bad &gt;&gt; You you you create such a a bad &gt;&gt; You you you create such a a bad relationship with food with the having relationship with food with the having relationship with food with the having to track every single macro and diet to to track every single macro and diet to to track every single macro and diet to an extreme that you don't feel good even an extreme that you don't feel good even an extreme that you don't feel good even when you're working out. You have to when you're working out. You have to when you're working out. You have to push through beyond that to get up on push through beyond that to get up on push through beyond that to get up on stage and present and actually win. stage and present and actually win. stage and present and actually win. &gt;&gt; So, I think if you take the competition &gt;&gt; So, I think if you take the competition &gt;&gt; So, I think if you take the competition out of it and just said, "Hey, I'm going out of it and just said, "Hey, I'm going out of it and just said, "Hey, I'm going to train bodybuilder style." I would to train bodybuilder style." I would to train bodybuilder style." I would argue that that is the number one. argue that that is the number one. argue that that is the number one. &gt;&gt; Well, so here's where I'll actually &gt;&gt; Well, so here's where I'll actually &gt;&gt; Well, so here's where I'll actually disagree with you and I think it's going disagree with you and I think it's going disagree with you and I think it's going to be a way that's going to surprise to be a way that's going to surprise to be a way that's going to surprise you. Um, I'm thinking of the community you. Um, I'm thinking of the community you. Um, I'm thinking of the community and less of the competition. Like a and less of the competition. Like a and less of the competition. Like a powerlifting gym, not necessarily powerlifting gym, not necessarily powerlifting gym, not necessarily competing or a CrossFit gym or a competing or a CrossFit gym or a competing or a CrossFit gym or a bodybuilding gym. Uh, but your bodybuilding gym. Uh, but your bodybuilding gym. Uh, but your competition puts a whole another whole competition puts a whole another whole competition puts a whole another whole another spin. another spin. another spin. &gt;&gt; Yeah. And they all have that. &gt;&gt; Yeah. And they all have that. &gt;&gt; Yeah. And they all have that. &gt;&gt; But diet-wise, uh, bodybuilding &gt;&gt; But diet-wise, uh, bodybuilding &gt;&gt; But diet-wise, uh, bodybuilding lifestyle, you learn the most about lifestyle, you learn the most about lifestyle, you learn the most about diet. Now, if it's body image focus, diet. Now, if it's body image focus, diet. Now, if it's body image focus, that could go in a wrong direction. But that could go in a wrong direction. But that could go in a wrong direction. But people who bodybuild and train in that people who bodybuild and train in that people who bodybuild and train in that way for years nutritionally, they know way for years nutritionally, they know way for years nutritionally, they know diet. Powerlifters, you don't know diet. diet. Powerlifters, you don't know diet. diet. Powerlifters, you don't know diet. &gt;&gt; No, you you can get away. &gt;&gt; No, you you can get away. &gt;&gt; No, you you can get away. &gt;&gt; They typically don't know. You need &gt;&gt; They typically don't know. You need &gt;&gt; They typically don't know. You need energy. energy. energy. &gt;&gt; On powerlifting is so long as you're &gt;&gt; On powerlifting is so long as you're &gt;&gt; On powerlifting is so long as you're wellfed, you you can perform. In fact, wellfed, you you can perform. In fact, wellfed, you you can perform. In fact, the bottom line, there's no there's no the bottom line, there's no there's no the bottom line, there's no there's no &gt;&gt; In fact, the criticisms and the &gt;&gt; In fact, the criticisms and the &gt;&gt; In fact, the criticisms and the opposites that they they go and eat too opposites that they they go and eat too opposites that they they go and eat too much garbage or whatever, much garbage or whatever, much garbage or whatever, &gt;&gt; right? Because they realize that man, &gt;&gt; right? Because they realize that man, &gt;&gt; right? Because they realize that man, when they're super filled up with when they're super filled up with when they're super filled up with glycogen and full on calories, they lift glycogen and full on calories, they lift glycogen and full on calories, they lift really good. for the wellness space. Uh really good. for the wellness space. Uh really good. for the wellness space. Uh it was the bodybuilding space that it was the bodybuilding space that it was the bodybuilding space that understood wellness. They were the first understood wellness. They were the first understood wellness. They were the first ones to talk about gluten and sugar and ones to talk about gluten and sugar and ones to talk about gluten and sugar and processed food versus it was actually processed food versus it was actually processed food versus it was actually bodybuilders that were talking about bodybuilders that were talking about bodybuilders that were talking about this stuff before. I mean I I there's this stuff before. I mean I I there's this stuff before. I mean I I there's videos of of Gaspari uh Rich Gaspari. videos of of Gaspari uh Rich Gaspari. videos of of Gaspari uh Rich Gaspari. He's like a bodybuilder in the 80s who He's like a bodybuilder in the 80s who He's like a bodybuilder in the 80s who was talking about uh like gluten and how was talking about uh like gluten and how was talking about uh like gluten and how that affected uh you know water that affected uh you know water that affected uh you know water retention on his body. Yeah. retention on his body. Yeah. retention on his body. Yeah. &gt;&gt; And process. This is back in the 80s. If &gt;&gt; And process. This is back in the 80s. If &gt;&gt; And process. This is back in the 80s. If you said gluten in the 80s anywhere, you said gluten in the 80s anywhere, you said gluten in the 80s anywhere, people would have thought you made up a people would have thought you made up a people would have thought you made up a word. Like nobody even knew what that word. Like nobody even knew what that word. Like nobody even knew what that was, for example. was, for example. was, for example. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; So, I think for diet, uh, understanding &gt;&gt; So, I think for diet, uh, understanding &gt;&gt; So, I think for diet, uh, understanding bodybuilding crushes all of them. bodybuilding crushes all of them. bodybuilding crushes all of them. &gt;&gt; Uh, in terms of supportive community, &gt;&gt; Uh, in terms of supportive community, &gt;&gt; Uh, in terms of supportive community, I'll go with powerlifting. Here's I'll go with powerlifting. Here's I'll go with powerlifting. Here's another thing though that powerlifting another thing though that powerlifting another thing though that powerlifting is not good at is the powerlifting is not good at is the powerlifting is not good at is the powerlifting movements, as great as they are, are movements, as great as they are, are movements, as great as they are, are severely limiting. severely limiting. severely limiting. &gt;&gt; Way limited. &gt;&gt; Way limited. &gt;&gt; Way limited. &gt;&gt; Severely limiting. &gt;&gt; Severely limiting. &gt;&gt; Severely limiting. &gt;&gt; Even more limited than bodybuilding. &gt;&gt; Even more limited than bodybuilding. &gt;&gt; Even more limited than bodybuilding. &gt;&gt; Longevity, too. It's pretty slim. But I &gt;&gt; Longevity, too. It's pretty slim. But I &gt;&gt; Longevity, too. It's pretty slim. But I do feel like it it just destroys all of do feel like it it just destroys all of do feel like it it just destroys all of them in terms of base level strength and them in terms of base level strength and them in terms of base level strength and like starting point. That's right. like starting point. That's right. like starting point. That's right. &gt;&gt; So I would I would make an argument we &gt;&gt; So I would I would make an argument we &gt;&gt; So I would I would make an argument we start there. I know you can make an start there. I know you can make an start there. I know you can make an argument for bodybuilding in terms of argument for bodybuilding in terms of argument for bodybuilding in terms of filling your muscles, but for me overall filling your muscles, but for me overall filling your muscles, but for me overall um output uh matters most and then we um output uh matters most and then we um output uh matters most and then we can build and tweak and sculpt, you can build and tweak and sculpt, you can build and tweak and sculpt, you know, from there. know, from there. know, from there. &gt;&gt; Well, the irony of all this in my &gt;&gt; Well, the irony of all this in my &gt;&gt; Well, the irony of all this in my opinion is that none of us are making opinion is that none of us are making opinion is that none of us are making the argument for CrossFit. Yet, I think the argument for CrossFit. Yet, I think the argument for CrossFit. Yet, I think if CrossFit was done in a non-comp if CrossFit was done in a non-comp if CrossFit was done in a non-comp competitive type of format, the the type competitive type of format, the the type competitive type of format, the the type of exercise, of exercise, of exercise, &gt;&gt; then it' be functional fitness. &gt;&gt; then it' be functional fitness. &gt;&gt; then it' be functional fitness. &gt;&gt; It' be the most It would be exactly &gt;&gt; It' be the most It would be exactly &gt;&gt; It' be the most It would be exactly that's where the term came from. It that's where the term came from. It that's where the term came from. It would be just ran away from it. would be just ran away from it. would be just ran away from it. &gt;&gt; It would be the most functional and it &gt;&gt; It would be the most functional and it &gt;&gt; It would be the most functional and it would be the most beneficial of would be the most beneficial of would be the most beneficial of longevity because I mean throwing and longevity because I mean throwing and longevity because I mean throwing and and the different planes you move in and and the different planes you move in and and the different planes you move in and sled dragging and jumping and like so sled dragging and jumping and like so sled dragging and jumping and like so many. many. many. &gt;&gt; Yeah. You take the extreme intensity &gt;&gt; Yeah. You take the extreme intensity &gt;&gt; Yeah. You take the extreme intensity programmed in a class. programmed in a class. programmed in a class. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Became dysfunctional fitness. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Became dysfunctional fitness. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Became dysfunctional fitness. &gt;&gt; But if you take the the the the you know &gt;&gt; But if you take the the the the you know &gt;&gt; But if you take the the the the you know the ethos of CrossFit like the baseline the ethos of CrossFit like the baseline the ethos of CrossFit like the baseline ethos is uh physical performance ethos is uh physical performance ethos is uh physical performance balance. Do you have stamina? Do you balance. Do you have stamina? Do you balance. Do you have stamina? Do you have strength? Do you have power? Do you have strength? Do you have power? Do you have strength? Do you have power? Do you have movement? Uh CrossFit from there have movement? Uh CrossFit from there have movement? Uh CrossFit from there they crush. They do great with that. Uh they crush. They do great with that. Uh they crush. They do great with that. Uh whereas powerlifting is very limited. whereas powerlifting is very limited. whereas powerlifting is very limited. Bodybuilding not as limited but also Bodybuilding not as limited but also Bodybuilding not as limited but also limited. But I will say this, functional limited. But I will say this, functional limited. But I will say this, functional training has its roots in bodybuilding. training has its roots in bodybuilding. training has its roots in bodybuilding. Now people are going to be like, "What?" Now people are going to be like, "What?" Now people are going to be like, "What?" &gt;&gt; Bodybuilders &gt;&gt; Bodybuilders &gt;&gt; Bodybuilders uh didn't come at it from the same uh uh didn't come at it from the same uh uh didn't come at it from the same uh perspective. They weren't thinking perspective. They weren't thinking perspective. They weren't thinking functional. They were thinking, functional. They were thinking, functional. They were thinking, symmetry, balance, symmetry, balance, symmetry, balance, &gt;&gt; aesthetics. &gt;&gt; aesthetics. &gt;&gt; aesthetics. &gt;&gt; So they always had an their mentality &gt;&gt; So they always had an their mentality &gt;&gt; So they always had an their mentality was always don't have a part of my body was always don't have a part of my body was always don't have a part of my body &gt;&gt; that is underdeveloped uh or not in &gt;&gt; that is underdeveloped uh or not in &gt;&gt; that is underdeveloped uh or not in balance with the others. Right? Now, balance with the others. Right? Now, balance with the others. Right? Now, they didn't have a full understanding of they didn't have a full understanding of they didn't have a full understanding of what that meant, but their understanding what that meant, but their understanding what that meant, but their understanding is what led to this idea of, oh, I got is what led to this idea of, oh, I got is what led to this idea of, oh, I got to train all these different ways. to train all these different ways. to train all these different ways. Powerlifting is very limited. You're Powerlifting is very limited. You're Powerlifting is very limited. You're you're I mean, you're three lifts and you're I mean, you're three lifts and you're I mean, you're three lifts and then everything else is to get better at then everything else is to get better at then everything else is to get better at those three lifts. It's very sagittal those three lifts. It's very sagittal those three lifts. It's very sagittal plane. And if you pursue it for too long plane. And if you pursue it for too long plane. And if you pursue it for too long with too high of a focus, injury becomes with too high of a focus, injury becomes with too high of a focus, injury becomes &gt;&gt; Yeah. I feel like bodybuilding stumbles &gt;&gt; Yeah. I feel like bodybuilding stumbles &gt;&gt; Yeah. I feel like bodybuilding stumbles across functional training because of uh across functional training because of uh across functional training because of uh trying to hit different angles. And so trying to hit different angles. And so trying to hit different angles. And so it's like, you know, they find their way it's like, you know, they find their way it's like, you know, they find their way into these body positions that are very into these body positions that are very into these body positions that are very functional, you know, eventually, but functional, you know, eventually, but functional, you know, eventually, but it's still very focused on like where it's still very focused on like where it's still very focused on like where can I feel and squeeze and get a can I feel and squeeze and get a can I feel and squeeze and get a different, you know, aspect of the different, you know, aspect of the different, you know, aspect of the muscle to grow and develop. muscle to grow and develop. muscle to grow and develop. &gt;&gt; Totally. &gt;&gt; Totally. &gt;&gt; Totally. Ladies, this is for you. Most people Ladies, this is for you. Most people Ladies, this is for you. 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Go to mapsmar.com. check it out. Go to mapsmar.com. check it out. Go to mapsmar.com. Here comes the show. Here comes the show. Here comes the show. But you want like talk about community But you want like talk about community But you want like talk about community like imag like go into a body like today like imag like go into a body like today like imag like go into a body like today a bodybuilding gym. Imagine like the the a bodybuilding gym. Imagine like the the a bodybuilding gym. Imagine like the the person I'm thinking of the avatar is a person I'm thinking of the avatar is a person I'm thinking of the avatar is a woman who wants to get fit. going to a woman who wants to get fit. going to a woman who wants to get fit. going to a bodybuilding gym, a powerlifting gym, or bodybuilding gym, a powerlifting gym, or bodybuilding gym, a powerlifting gym, or a CrossFit gym. Uh, you know, the a CrossFit gym. Uh, you know, the a CrossFit gym. Uh, you know, the powerlifting, you think of the average powerlifting, you think of the average powerlifting, you think of the average woman is gonna have this community and woman is gonna have this community and woman is gonna have this community and the style of training that's going to the style of training that's going to the style of training that's going to move her the furthest away from these move her the furthest away from these move her the furthest away from these roadblocks that women tend to run into. roadblocks that women tend to run into. roadblocks that women tend to run into. Crossfit can do the same thing, but Crossfit can do the same thing, but Crossfit can do the same thing, but CrossFit, I don't think, is as effective CrossFit, I don't think, is as effective CrossFit, I don't think, is as effective as powerlifting because there's an as powerlifting because there's an as powerlifting because there's an element of CrossFit. element of CrossFit. element of CrossFit. &gt;&gt; No, I not at all. I don't think I like &gt;&gt; No, I not at all. I don't think I like &gt;&gt; No, I not at all. I don't think I like intensity. It's I think it's last place intensity. It's I think it's last place intensity. It's I think it's last place for for the for the the three of those. for for the for the the three of those. for for the for the the three of those. &gt;&gt; But bodybuilding's got this like like &gt;&gt; But bodybuilding's got this like like &gt;&gt; But bodybuilding's got this like like this environment of like look at this environment of like look at this environment of like look at yourself, look in the mirror. yourself, look in the mirror. yourself, look in the mirror. &gt;&gt; I 100% I I lose that argument all day. I &gt;&gt; I 100% I I lose that argument all day. I &gt;&gt; I 100% I I lose that argument all day. I I know I do. Like that's that's the I know I do. Like that's that's the I know I do. Like that's that's the problem with bodybuilding is it's so problem with bodybuilding is it's so problem with bodybuilding is it's so much focused on image and since I think much focused on image and since I think much focused on image and since I think most our clients I mean we spent most of most our clients I mean we spent most of most our clients I mean we spent most of our career uh still to this day. I mean, our career uh still to this day. I mean, our career uh still to this day. I mean, it's why we don't use transformation it's why we don't use transformation it's why we don't use transformation photos for the business. Y photos for the business. Y photos for the business. Y &gt;&gt; is we've stuck our ground uh or stood &gt;&gt; is we've stuck our ground uh or stood &gt;&gt; is we've stuck our ground uh or stood our ground for a very long time on our ground for a very long time on our ground for a very long time on trying to get the average person to get trying to get the average person to get trying to get the average person to get away from measuring their success purely away from measuring their success purely away from measuring their success purely off of how they look. Yes, I get it. off of how they look. Yes, I get it. off of how they look. Yes, I get it. &gt;&gt; I told of course I get it. &gt;&gt; I told of course I get it. &gt;&gt; I told of course I get it. &gt;&gt; Um but if that's your main focus, the &gt;&gt; Um but if that's your main focus, the &gt;&gt; Um but if that's your main focus, the average person, it drives you in the average person, it drives you in the average person, it drives you in the wrong direction. And so and it and it wrong direction. And so and it and it wrong direction. And so and it and it ends up 90% of the time ends up being an ends up 90% of the time ends up being an ends up 90% of the time ends up being an unhealthy uh addiction or issue or uh unhealthy uh addiction or issue or uh unhealthy uh addiction or issue or uh body image issue. And so um for that body image issue. And so um for that body image issue. And so um for that reason I think powerlifting lays one of reason I think powerlifting lays one of reason I think powerlifting lays one of the best bases like right. So if I like the best bases like right. So if I like the best bases like right. So if I like I have a fresh young lady who not I have a fresh young lady who not I have a fresh young lady who not doesn't know any of she doesn't know any doesn't know any of she doesn't know any doesn't know any of she doesn't know any of that. of that. of that. &gt;&gt; Super fresh &gt;&gt; Super fresh &gt;&gt; Super fresh &gt;&gt; doesn't know any of the the &gt;&gt; doesn't know any of the the &gt;&gt; doesn't know any of the the &gt;&gt; fresh to lifting weights. fresh clean &gt;&gt; fresh to lifting weights. fresh clean &gt;&gt; fresh to lifting weights. fresh clean fresh. fresh. fresh. So, So, So, &gt;&gt; you know, and has has no idea what those &gt;&gt; you know, and has has no idea what those &gt;&gt; you know, and has has no idea what those modalities are, right? And I I have the modalities are, right? And I I have the modalities are, right? And I I have the opportunity to introduce her to one of opportunity to introduce her to one of opportunity to introduce her to one of the three. the three. the three. &gt;&gt; Um, it makes the most sense to introduce &gt;&gt; Um, it makes the most sense to introduce &gt;&gt; Um, it makes the most sense to introduce and also for another reason too to and also for another reason too to and also for another reason too to powerlifting to get your argument, back powerlifting to get your argument, back powerlifting to get your argument, back up your argument is it simplifies. It's up your argument is it simplifies. It's up your argument is it simplifies. It's like these three lifts like these three lifts like these three lifts &gt;&gt; will take Yes. take you so far and are &gt;&gt; will take Yes. take you so far and are &gt;&gt; will take Yes. take you so far and are are so fundamental to any like let's say are so fundamental to any like let's say are so fundamental to any like let's say you wanted to go do CrossFit later or you wanted to go do CrossFit later or you wanted to go do CrossFit later or you wanted to do bodybuilding. That's a you wanted to do bodybuilding. That's a you wanted to do bodybuilding. That's a nice starting point. nice starting point. nice starting point. &gt;&gt; It's a great starting point. It's like &gt;&gt; It's a great starting point. It's like &gt;&gt; It's a great starting point. It's like why over why take you right into why over why take you right into why over why take you right into bodybuilding and have you doing you know bodybuilding and have you doing you know bodybuilding and have you doing you know side tricep presses and doing weird side tricep presses and doing weird side tricep presses and doing weird things that like to hit an angle and and things that like to hit an angle and and things that like to hit an angle and and you could really quickly get caught up you could really quickly get caught up you could really quickly get caught up in all that minutiae. Or why throw you in all that minutiae. Or why throw you in all that minutiae. Or why throw you into CrossFit right away and you're into CrossFit right away and you're into CrossFit right away and you're already doing baseball throws and we all already doing baseball throws and we all already doing baseball throws and we all these other things. cuz it's just like, these other things. cuz it's just like, these other things. cuz it's just like, hey, go squat, you know, go bench, go hey, go squat, you know, go bench, go hey, go squat, you know, go bench, go deadlift, go learn the like these basic deadlift, go learn the like these basic deadlift, go learn the like these basic fundamental movements that you're going fundamental movements that you're going fundamental movements that you're going to get some great functionality from to get some great functionality from to get some great functionality from that. You're going to get incredible that. You're going to get incredible that. You're going to get incredible strength from that. You're going to get strength from that. You're going to get strength from that. You're going to get some great aesthetics from that. Uh, and some great aesthetics from that. Uh, and some great aesthetics from that. Uh, and then we can we can build off of that. then we can we can build off of that. then we can we can build off of that. &gt;&gt; Well, yeah. I mean, it's hard to cuz I &gt;&gt; Well, yeah. I mean, it's hard to cuz I &gt;&gt; Well, yeah. I mean, it's hard to cuz I like we're kind of not highlighting a like we're kind of not highlighting a like we're kind of not highlighting a lot of the benefits like CrossFit brings lot of the benefits like CrossFit brings lot of the benefits like CrossFit brings cuz it's it's not a great representation cuz it's it's not a great representation cuz it's it's not a great representation of that side of pursuit. If I'm trying of that side of pursuit. If I'm trying of that side of pursuit. If I'm trying to be more movement focused, I'm trying to be more movement focused, I'm trying to be more movement focused, I'm trying to be like skill specific, like what can to be like skill specific, like what can to be like skill specific, like what can I build and develop, what, you know, my I build and develop, what, you know, my I build and develop, what, you know, my abilities, um, you know, they they don't abilities, um, you know, they they don't abilities, um, you know, they they don't segment it. And so, like training itself segment it. And so, like training itself segment it. And so, like training itself for me, this is where I always have like for me, this is where I always have like for me, this is where I always have like the biggest criticism because it's like the biggest criticism because it's like the biggest criticism because it's like where I lean. Like if I was to pick out where I lean. Like if I was to pick out where I lean. Like if I was to pick out of the three of them, I'd probably lean of the three of them, I'd probably lean of the three of them, I'd probably lean more in the CrossFit side of the fence. more in the CrossFit side of the fence. more in the CrossFit side of the fence. However, it's just it doesn't uh I don't However, it's just it doesn't uh I don't However, it's just it doesn't uh I don't program it anywhere near, you know, the program it anywhere near, you know, the program it anywhere near, you know, the same way that they do because it's when same way that they do because it's when same way that they do because it's when you're building and developing skill, you're building and developing skill, you're building and developing skill, you have to have that kind of focused you have to have that kind of focused you have to have that kind of focused attention and specificity. Uh which is attention and specificity. Uh which is attention and specificity. Uh which is very much lacking on that. Um, you know, very much lacking on that. Um, you know, very much lacking on that. Um, you know, and and again, this is very community and and again, this is very community and and again, this is very community based. So, it's like everybody's kind of based. So, it's like everybody's kind of based. So, it's like everybody's kind of like in the trenches together. like in the trenches together. like in the trenches together. &gt;&gt; That's the problem is that it's it's &gt;&gt; That's the problem is that it's it's &gt;&gt; That's the problem is that it's it's still it's still class based. still it's still class based. still it's still class based. &gt;&gt; That's also the plus. That's also the &gt;&gt; That's also the plus. That's also the &gt;&gt; That's also the plus. That's also the plus. I mean, I have a good friend of plus. I mean, I have a good friend of plus. I mean, I have a good friend of mine, uh, Chuck. You guys know Chuck, mine, uh, Chuck. You guys know Chuck, mine, uh, Chuck. You guys know Chuck, &gt;&gt; and, uh, I tease him all the time, uh, &gt;&gt; and, uh, I tease him all the time, uh, &gt;&gt; and, uh, I tease him all the time, uh, about about about &gt;&gt; tons of cross friends because it's &gt;&gt; tons of cross friends because it's &gt;&gt; tons of cross friends because it's brutal. brutal. brutal. &gt;&gt; I mean, it's so it's so funny, by the &gt;&gt; I mean, it's so it's so funny, by the &gt;&gt; I mean, it's so it's so funny, by the way. We tease each other, right? So, I way. We tease each other, right? So, I way. We tease each other, right? So, I annoy him on purpose. I will send So, annoy him on purpose. I will send So, annoy him on purpose. I will send So, he's a pastor. I love sending him he's a pastor. I love sending him he's a pastor. I love sending him conspiratorial conspiratorial conspiratorial uh, like end of times uh, like uh, like end of times uh, like uh, like end of times uh, like preachings like, "Bro, check this out. preachings like, "Bro, check this out. preachings like, "Bro, check this out. The signs are here." He gets so mad cuz The signs are here." He gets so mad cuz The signs are here." He gets so mad cuz he's a theologian, right? He's like, he's a theologian, right? He's like, he's a theologian, right? He's like, "No, that's not what the deal." So, "No, that's not what the deal." So, "No, that's not what the deal." So, he'll get like I could tell he's being he'll get like I could tell he's being he'll get like I could tell he's being calm but annoyed with me. calm but annoyed with me. calm but annoyed with me. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; And then meanwhile, he'll send me stuff &gt;&gt; And then meanwhile, he'll send me stuff &gt;&gt; And then meanwhile, he'll send me stuff that he's doing. I'm like, "Bro, dude, that he's doing. I'm like, "Bro, dude, that he's doing. I'm like, "Bro, dude, why did you do that part of your why did you do that part of your why did you do that part of your workout?" Like, he'll send me a picture workout?" Like, he'll send me a picture workout?" Like, he'll send me a picture of his hands with his hand torn, you of his hands with his hand torn, you of his hands with his hand torn, you know, part of it torn off. I'm like, know, part of it torn off. I'm like, know, part of it torn off. I'm like, "You think that's like a good workout "You think that's like a good workout "You think that's like a good workout that that happened?" that that happened?" that that happened?" &gt;&gt; But my point with it is &gt;&gt; But my point with it is &gt;&gt; But my point with it is &gt;&gt; when we when we all when we stop teasing &gt;&gt; when we when we all when we stop teasing &gt;&gt; when we when we all when we stop teasing each other and we're just, you know, each other and we're just, you know, each other and we're just, you know, brass tax, he's like he's like, "So, I brass tax, he's like he's like, "So, I brass tax, he's like he's like, "So, I love the I love the friendships that love the I love the friendships that love the I love the friendships that I've made there." Yeah. I've made there." Yeah. I've made there." Yeah. &gt;&gt; And I've never felt so encouraged. Yeah. &gt;&gt; And I've never felt so encouraged. Yeah. &gt;&gt; And I've never felt so encouraged. Yeah. You know, I feel so encouraged. You know, I feel so encouraged. You know, I feel so encouraged. Everybody's like supportive. It's a Everybody's like supportive. It's a Everybody's like supportive. It's a great community. And I'm like, you know great community. And I'm like, you know great community. And I'm like, you know what? You can't what? You can't what? You can't &gt;&gt; downplay that because he and he would &gt;&gt; downplay that because he and he would &gt;&gt; downplay that because he and he would tell you he'd be the first one to tell tell you he'd be the first one to tell tell you he'd be the first one to tell you that his relationship with fitness, you that his relationship with fitness, you that his relationship with fitness, his whole life was on and off. It was his whole life was on and off. It was his whole life was on and off. It was never consistent. It was either go run never consistent. It was either go run never consistent. It was either go run like crazy, lose a bunch of weight, then like crazy, lose a bunch of weight, then like crazy, lose a bunch of weight, then stop, and then eat like crazy. This is stop, and then eat like crazy. This is stop, and then eat like crazy. This is the first time he's ever been super the first time he's ever been super the first time he's ever been super consistent. And it has nothing to do consistent. And it has nothing to do consistent. And it has nothing to do with the programming. Has zero to do with the programming. Has zero to do with the programming. Has zero to do with that. Has everything to do with with that. Has everything to do with with that. Has everything to do with that he's been a part of this uh of this that he's been a part of this uh of this that he's been a part of this uh of this great community. And from a fitness uh great community. And from a fitness uh great community. And from a fitness uh professionals perspective, uh CrossFit professionals perspective, uh CrossFit professionals perspective, uh CrossFit nailed this so hard. They nailed this so nailed this so hard. They nailed this so nailed this so hard. They nailed this so well that they went from nothing to well that they went from nothing to well that they went from nothing to being dominant uh in a very short period being dominant uh in a very short period being dominant uh in a very short period of time in a space where you see very of time in a space where you see very of time in a space where you see very little of that. You see very little like little of that. You see very little like little of that. You see very little like big to the point where normal gyms, big big to the point where normal gyms, big big to the point where normal gyms, big box gyms change their floor plans box gyms change their floor plans box gyms change their floor plans because of CrossFit. because of CrossFit. because of CrossFit. &gt;&gt; They literally added and changed things &gt;&gt; They literally added and changed things &gt;&gt; They literally added and changed things because of their influence. So that part because of their influence. So that part because of their influence. So that part right there, right there, right there, &gt;&gt; huge &gt;&gt; huge &gt;&gt; huge &gt;&gt; fall off though. Huge fall off though. &gt;&gt; fall off though. Huge fall off though. &gt;&gt; fall off though. Huge fall off though. &gt;&gt; Big fall off. But but but what what's &gt;&gt; Big fall off. But but but what what's &gt;&gt; Big fall off. But but but what what's stuck around were the good parts of it. stuck around were the good parts of it. stuck around were the good parts of it. I think what you're saying is a lot of I think what you're saying is a lot of I think what you're saying is a lot of the stuff that Justin the stuff that Justin the stuff that Justin &gt;&gt; So okay. So let's let's imagine this for &gt;&gt; So okay. So let's let's imagine this for &gt;&gt; So okay. So let's let's imagine this for a second because this would be a fun a second because this would be a fun a second because this would be a fun experiment. Uh you're going to take this experiment. Uh you're going to take this experiment. Uh you're going to take this fresh person Justin for you. fresh person Justin for you. fresh person Justin for you. &gt;&gt; So fresh. What what's a better what's a &gt;&gt; So fresh. What what's a better what's a &gt;&gt; So fresh. What what's a better what's a for lack of a better word? for lack of a better word? for lack of a better word? &gt;&gt; Yeah. A brand new like Yeah. Well, brand &gt;&gt; Yeah. A brand new like Yeah. Well, brand &gt;&gt; Yeah. A brand new like Yeah. Well, brand new. And what I mean by like never new. And what I mean by like never new. And what I mean by like never trained any mod. And we're going to trained any mod. And we're going to trained any mod. And we're going to we're going to the we're going to take we're going to the we're going to take we're going to the we're going to take them through all three. them through all three. them through all three. &gt;&gt; Oh, yeah. &gt;&gt; Oh, yeah. &gt;&gt; Oh, yeah. &gt;&gt; So, they they they have to go all three &gt;&gt; So, they they they have to go all three &gt;&gt; So, they they they have to go all three or they're going to go through all or they're going to go through all or they're going to go through all three. Okay. three. Okay. three. Okay. &gt;&gt; How am I going to order it or and and &gt;&gt; How am I going to order it or and and &gt;&gt; How am I going to order it or and and then what am I going to coach telling then what am I going to coach telling then what am I going to coach telling them as you go through the journey? So, them as you go through the journey? So, them as you go through the journey? So, I know that they're eventually going to I know that they're eventually going to I know that they're eventually going to make it through all three. make it through all three. make it through all three. &gt;&gt; And I want them to get the most out of &gt;&gt; And I want them to get the most out of &gt;&gt; And I want them to get the most out of each one of these things and what they each one of these things and what they each one of these things and what they have to offer, but also be weary of have to offer, but also be weary of have to offer, but also be weary of each. Wow. each. Wow. each. Wow. &gt;&gt; So, what a So, what a cool cuz here's &gt;&gt; So, what a So, what a cool cuz here's &gt;&gt; So, what a So, what a cool cuz here's what I cuz as as we're talking about what I cuz as as we're talking about what I cuz as as we're talking about this, I'm thinking about all of us have this, I'm thinking about all of us have this, I'm thinking about all of us have experience in all three of these. Justin experience in all three of these. Justin experience in all three of these. Justin and I probably did a little more and I probably did a little more and I probably did a little more CrossFit stuff than you did, but we all CrossFit stuff than you did, but we all CrossFit stuff than you did, but we all have experience in all these. have experience in all these. have experience in all these. &gt;&gt; And so, u I think the best is knowing &gt;&gt; And so, u I think the best is knowing &gt;&gt; And so, u I think the best is knowing the best of all of it and knowing how to the best of all of it and knowing how to the best of all of it and knowing how to individualize it for you. Oh, no doubt. individualize it for you. Oh, no doubt. individualize it for you. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. No doubt. No doubt. &gt;&gt; So, imagine somebody who's imagine a a &gt;&gt; So, imagine somebody who's imagine a a &gt;&gt; So, imagine somebody who's imagine a a young or soon to be fitness enthusiast young or soon to be fitness enthusiast young or soon to be fitness enthusiast is like, well, I want I want I want to is like, well, I want I want I want to is like, well, I want I want I want to learn like where do you where do we learn like where do you where do we learn like where do you where do we start? start? start? &gt;&gt; Uh what are you telling them? What are &gt;&gt; Uh what are you telling them? What are &gt;&gt; Uh what are you telling them? What are you coaching them about that as they're you coaching them about that as they're you coaching them about that as they're as they're going through that first one? as they're going through that first one? as they're going through that first one? Then where do you tell them to go second Then where do you tell them to go second Then where do you tell them to go second and why? and what are you coaching and and why? and what are you coaching and and why? and what are you coaching and telling them to look out for? And then telling them to look out for? And then telling them to look out for? And then third and final, third and final, third and final, &gt;&gt; I have a pretty initial strong opinion &gt;&gt; I have a pretty initial strong opinion &gt;&gt; I have a pretty initial strong opinion that I think uh I could support pretty that I think uh I could support pretty that I think uh I could support pretty well. So, well. So, well. So, &gt;&gt; okay, &gt;&gt; okay, &gt;&gt; okay, &gt;&gt; I would start with powerlifting. &gt;&gt; I would start with powerlifting. &gt;&gt; I would start with powerlifting. &gt;&gt; Okay, &gt;&gt; Okay, &gt;&gt; Okay, &gt;&gt; because you're learning uh the basic big &gt;&gt; because you're learning uh the basic big &gt;&gt; because you're learning uh the basic big lifts. You're also I focus is off how I lifts. You're also I focus is off how I lifts. You're also I focus is off how I look. look. look. &gt;&gt; It's focused on performance. It's &gt;&gt; It's focused on performance. It's &gt;&gt; It's focused on performance. It's focused on strength. I have no focus on focused on strength. I have no focus on focused on strength. I have no focus on diet aside from making sure I'm eating diet aside from making sure I'm eating diet aside from making sure I'm eating enough to get strong, which is actually enough to get strong, which is actually enough to get strong, which is actually a good place to start. Then I would move a good place to start. Then I would move a good place to start. Then I would move to CrossFit, a good community. So a good to CrossFit, a good community. So a good to CrossFit, a good community. So a good CrossFit gym, so I can learn more CrossFit gym, so I can learn more CrossFit gym, so I can learn more movements. I can have fun with the movements. I can have fun with the movements. I can have fun with the community. I could push myself with community. I could push myself with community. I could push myself with stamina in different ways. I didn't with stamina in different ways. I didn't with stamina in different ways. I didn't with with Power. with Power. with Power. &gt;&gt; You're also going to pick up a &gt;&gt; You're also going to pick up a &gt;&gt; You're also going to pick up a tremendous amount of mobility, tremendous amount of mobility, tremendous amount of mobility, &gt;&gt; mobility. And and then diet now is &gt;&gt; mobility. And and then diet now is &gt;&gt; mobility. And and then diet now is getting a little bit more advanced and getting a little bit more advanced and getting a little bit more advanced and and I'm getting more with my diet in and I'm getting more with my diet in and I'm getting more with my diet in terms of okay, what makes me feel good? terms of okay, what makes me feel good? terms of okay, what makes me feel good? What's giving me a little bit more What's giving me a little bit more What's giving me a little bit more stamina? I can't be bloated like I did stamina? I can't be bloated like I did stamina? I can't be bloated like I did before when I was just squatting and before when I was just squatting and before when I was just squatting and deadlifting. Now I got to like think deadlifting. Now I got to like think deadlifting. Now I got to like think about that a little bit. And in the end, about that a little bit. And in the end, about that a little bit. And in the end, I would go bodybuilding because by this I would go bodybuilding because by this I would go bodybuilding because by this point, I've built a solid, secure point, I've built a solid, secure point, I've built a solid, secure foundation with strength training. I foundation with strength training. I foundation with strength training. I understand performance. I've been doing understand performance. I've been doing understand performance. I've been doing this long enough where I'm not so jaded this long enough where I'm not so jaded this long enough where I'm not so jaded or so easily affected by the mirror and or so easily affected by the mirror and or so easily affected by the mirror and by the scale. And now I can learn by the scale. And now I can learn by the scale. And now I can learn anatomy. I can get way more detailed anatomy. I can get way more detailed anatomy. I can get way more detailed with diet. It's not going to take me with diet. It's not going to take me with diet. It's not going to take me over. Um, and then bodybuilding, let's over. Um, and then bodybuilding, let's over. Um, and then bodybuilding, let's face it, like that style of training face it, like that style of training face it, like that style of training will take you to the end of your life. will take you to the end of your life. will take you to the end of your life. Whereas CrossFit and power, you'll Whereas CrossFit and power, you'll Whereas CrossFit and power, you'll probably have to stop. probably have to stop. probably have to stop. &gt;&gt; So that's interesting. What? So would &gt;&gt; So that's interesting. What? So would &gt;&gt; So that's interesting. What? So would you go that way? Well, cuz I I could you go that way? Well, cuz I I could you go that way? Well, cuz I I could argue it a little bit different. Like argue it a little bit different. Like argue it a little bit different. Like the nutrition part I think is why I the nutrition part I think is why I the nutrition part I think is why I probably would agree uh with that probably would agree uh with that probably would agree uh with that format, but like if we kind of format, but like if we kind of format, but like if we kind of &gt;&gt; if I took them to powerlifting and then &gt;&gt; if I took them to powerlifting and then &gt;&gt; if I took them to powerlifting and then we went to bodybuilding, I feel like we we went to bodybuilding, I feel like we we went to bodybuilding, I feel like we could focus more on muscle activation could focus more on muscle activation could focus more on muscle activation and and I could get uh a little more and and I could get uh a little more and and I could get uh a little more familiar in terms of like um you know, familiar in terms of like um you know, familiar in terms of like um you know, unilateral uh type of focus like body unilateral uh type of focus like body unilateral uh type of focus like body awareness. Um it it's more like awareness. Um it it's more like awareness. Um it it's more like hypertrophy if you look at it more from hypertrophy if you look at it more from hypertrophy if you look at it more from like an OPT model. Let's say like we're like an OPT model. Let's say like we're like an OPT model. Let's say like we're building our base level strength. Now building our base level strength. Now building our base level strength. Now we're like adding in like hypertrophy is we're like adding in like hypertrophy is we're like adding in like hypertrophy is like this is like this is like this is &gt;&gt; this is now we're building the muscles &gt;&gt; this is now we're building the muscles &gt;&gt; this is now we're building the muscles up and developing so up and developing so up and developing so &gt;&gt; and then expressing them. &gt;&gt; and then expressing them. &gt;&gt; and then expressing them. &gt;&gt; Now we're expressing at the peak because &gt;&gt; Now we're expressing at the peak because &gt;&gt; Now we're expressing at the peak because to me CrossFit is a very small uh like to me CrossFit is a very small uh like to me CrossFit is a very small uh like just like you would like the pinnacle of just like you would like the pinnacle of just like you would like the pinnacle of your training. You're going for power. your training. You're going for power. your training. You're going for power. You're going for high risk. You're going for high risk. You're going for high risk. &gt;&gt; So I look at it as high risk training. &gt;&gt; So I look at it as high risk training. &gt;&gt; So I look at it as high risk training. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; So, I'm not going to go to high risk &gt;&gt; So, I'm not going to go to high risk &gt;&gt; So, I'm not going to go to high risk until until until &gt;&gt; Good argument. &gt;&gt; Good argument. &gt;&gt; Good argument. &gt;&gt; Until we get to &gt;&gt; Until we get to &gt;&gt; Until we get to &gt;&gt; That's a That's a really good &gt;&gt; That's a That's a really good &gt;&gt; That's a That's a really good programming argument. programming argument. programming argument. &gt;&gt; That is That is a really good argument. &gt;&gt; That is That is a really good argument. &gt;&gt; That is That is a really good argument. In fact, I was going to agree with S In fact, I was going to agree with S In fact, I was going to agree with S until you said that because that is such until you said that because that is such until you said that because that is such a great a great a great &gt;&gt; argument because I would want this &gt;&gt; argument because I would want this &gt;&gt; argument because I would want this person to person to person to &gt;&gt; but the nutrition kind of messes it up. &gt;&gt; but the nutrition kind of messes it up. &gt;&gt; but the nutrition kind of messes it up. &gt;&gt; No, you're right. Well, and and you know &gt;&gt; No, you're right. Well, and and you know &gt;&gt; No, you're right. Well, and and you know what also what I agree with S, which is what also what I agree with S, which is what also what I agree with S, which is funny because how this started was you funny because how this started was you funny because how this started was you made the case that you you know made the case that you you know made the case that you you know powerlifting being the place for the the powerlifting being the place for the the powerlifting being the place for the the female client and I made the argument female client and I made the argument female client and I made the argument for bodybuilding. I I agree with your for bodybuilding. I I agree with your for bodybuilding. I I agree with your pathway and then guess what? Bodybuild pathway and then guess what? Bodybuild pathway and then guess what? Bodybuild for the rest of your life now. Yeah. for the rest of your life now. Yeah. for the rest of your life now. Yeah. Like you have the you have you've now Like you have the you have you've now Like you have the you have you've now got a great base strength. You've now got a great base strength. You've now got a great base strength. You've now learned all the mobility, moving in learned all the mobility, moving in learned all the mobility, moving in different planes, unilateral stuff. You different planes, unilateral stuff. You different planes, unilateral stuff. You got all the great stuff that CrossFit got all the great stuff that CrossFit got all the great stuff that CrossFit has, endurance train, all the great has, endurance train, all the great has, endurance train, all the great stuff that CrossFit has to offer. stuff that CrossFit has to offer. stuff that CrossFit has to offer. &gt;&gt; Now go spend the rest of your life in &gt;&gt; Now go spend the rest of your life in &gt;&gt; Now go spend the rest of your life in bodybuilding and just incorporate those bodybuilding and just incorporate those bodybuilding and just incorporate those other things whenever you want to and other things whenever you want to and other things whenever you want to and need to and you're set for life in my need to and you're set for life in my need to and you're set for life in my opinion. opinion. opinion. &gt;&gt; But from a programming perspective, &gt;&gt; But from a programming perspective, &gt;&gt; But from a programming perspective, Justin makes a great argument that Justin makes a great argument that Justin makes a great argument that &gt;&gt; CrossFit's the ultimate expression. It &gt;&gt; CrossFit's the ultimate expression. It &gt;&gt; CrossFit's the ultimate expression. It is requires the most is requires the most is requires the most &gt;&gt; and and and high risk because not only &gt;&gt; and and and high risk because not only &gt;&gt; and and and high risk because not only are you doing explosive type movements, are you doing explosive type movements, are you doing explosive type movements, you're also pairing them together and you're also pairing them together and you're also pairing them together and and running them in for time. and running them in for time. and running them in for time. &gt;&gt; You have to have really good body &gt;&gt; You have to have really good body &gt;&gt; You have to have really good body awareness. awareness. awareness. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Which puts you in in super high &gt;&gt; Yeah. Which puts you in in super high &gt;&gt; Yeah. Which puts you in in super high risk. And so for that reason, having as risk. And so for that reason, having as risk. And so for that reason, having as much experience as I can uh training cuz much experience as I can uh training cuz much experience as I can uh training cuz maybe, you know, if you go the pathway maybe, you know, if you go the pathway maybe, you know, if you go the pathway you're saying, you know, maybe you're you're saying, you know, maybe you're you're saying, you know, maybe you're you present high risk or or higher you present high risk or or higher you present high risk or or higher injury risk, right? you you just started injury risk, right? you you just started injury risk, right? you you just started doing powerlifting say for six months or doing powerlifting say for six months or doing powerlifting say for six months or a year you get really good and strong at a year you get really good and strong at a year you get really good and strong at it then you go right away to all these it then you go right away to all these it then you go right away to all these other like now you're throwing a other like now you're throwing a other like now you're throwing a baseball baseball baseball &gt;&gt; you know what I'm saying like that &gt;&gt; you know what I'm saying like that &gt;&gt; you know what I'm saying like that that's a that would be you know so that's a that would be you know so that's a that would be you know so interesting argument from a a interesting argument from a a interesting argument from a a programming perspective I think where it programming perspective I think where it programming perspective I think where it sounds like most of us agree though is sounds like most of us agree though is sounds like most of us agree though is you land in bodybuilding long term you land in bodybuilding long term you land in bodybuilding long term &gt;&gt; like for for risk versus &gt;&gt; like for for risk versus &gt;&gt; like for for risk versus &gt;&gt; control the best for longevity &gt;&gt; control the best for longevity &gt;&gt; control the best for longevity &gt;&gt; yeah unilateral stuff &gt;&gt; yeah unilateral stuff &gt;&gt; yeah unilateral stuff &gt;&gt; hitting all the body parts &gt;&gt; hitting all the body parts &gt;&gt; hitting all the body parts &gt;&gt; you know what I'm saying symmetry and &gt;&gt; you know what I'm saying symmetry and &gt;&gt; you know what I'm saying symmetry and balance is still And it's the most balance is still And it's the most balance is still And it's the most advanced diet uh advanced diet uh advanced diet uh &gt;&gt; and then and then for the average person &gt;&gt; and then and then for the average person &gt;&gt; and then and then for the average person who doesn't know how to control macros who doesn't know how to control macros who doesn't know how to control macros and balance calories and stuff like and balance calories and stuff like and balance calories and stuff like that. I mean I that. I mean I that. I mean I &gt;&gt; and the argument too for me was &gt;&gt; and the argument too for me was &gt;&gt; and the argument too for me was hopefully by that point you're secure hopefully by that point you're secure hopefully by that point you're secure enough in yourself. I'll use you as an enough in yourself. I'll use you as an enough in yourself. I'll use you as an example, Adam. example, Adam. example, Adam. &gt;&gt; You started strength training for the &gt;&gt; You started strength training for the &gt;&gt; You started strength training for the same reasons I did, right? Felt same reasons I did, right? Felt same reasons I did, right? Felt insecure, skinny, want to get bigger, insecure, skinny, want to get bigger, insecure, skinny, want to get bigger, whatever. You didn't bodybuild whatever. You didn't bodybuild whatever. You didn't bodybuild competitively until way later when you competitively until way later when you competitively until way later when you when you had already built a nice when you had already built a nice when you had already built a nice you've already you're a secure man. you've already you're a secure man. you've already you're a secure man. Imagine if you competed in bodybuilding Imagine if you competed in bodybuilding Imagine if you competed in bodybuilding &gt;&gt; like two years after starting how that &gt;&gt; like two years after starting how that &gt;&gt; like two years after starting how that would have spun you. would have spun you. would have spun you. &gt;&gt; Sure. &gt;&gt; Sure. &gt;&gt; Sure. &gt;&gt; So that's part of my my I think the big &gt;&gt; So that's part of my my I think the big &gt;&gt; So that's part of my my I think the big thing to understand too with this is thing to understand too with this is thing to understand too with this is that what's what's cool about this is that what's what's cool about this is that what's what's cool about this is you plan on doing this for the rest of you plan on doing this for the rest of you plan on doing this for the rest of your life. your life. your life. &gt;&gt; If you don't I think the smartest thing &gt;&gt; If you don't I think the smartest thing &gt;&gt; If you don't I think the smartest thing to do is understand the pros and cons of to do is understand the pros and cons of to do is understand the pros and cons of each. each. each. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; And and know how to move in and out of &gt;&gt; And and know how to move in and out of &gt;&gt; And and know how to move in and out of all all all Well, that that's the truth of all this Well, that that's the truth of all this Well, that that's the truth of all this because obviously there's people because obviously there's people because obviously there's people listening right now that is in one of listening right now that is in one of listening right now that is in one of these camps that's arguing and angry, these camps that's arguing and angry, these camps that's arguing and angry, right? Because you know, but the the right? Because you know, but the the right? Because you know, but the the truth is my team. truth is my team. truth is my team. &gt;&gt; You should you you should have elements &gt;&gt; You should you you should have elements &gt;&gt; You should you you should have elements of all of it. of all of it. of all of it. &gt;&gt; You know, there's there's there's great &gt;&gt; You know, there's there's there's great &gt;&gt; You know, there's there's there's great elements. They they're not they don't elements. They they're not they don't elements. They they're not they don't become a modality and stick around for become a modality and stick around for become a modality and stick around for this long unless there's a lot of really this long unless there's a lot of really this long unless there's a lot of really good things about them. Bottom line. and good things about them. Bottom line. and good things about them. Bottom line. and we can sit here and we can pull we can sit here and we can pull we can sit here and we can pull &gt;&gt; I think that's what's been fun about &gt;&gt; I think that's what's been fun about &gt;&gt; I think that's what's been fun about writing our programs together. It's writing our programs together. It's writing our programs together. It's like, you know, we're addressing these like, you know, we're addressing these like, you know, we're addressing these different communities and we're like different communities and we're like different communities and we're like here you you can literally try it uh here you you can literally try it uh here you you can literally try it uh first here and then jump over into this first here and then jump over into this first here and then jump over into this next demographic. next demographic. next demographic. &gt;&gt; Well, and you and we're writing them &gt;&gt; Well, and you and we're writing them &gt;&gt; Well, and you and we're writing them from the perspective of having from the perspective of having from the perspective of having experienced all this. experienced all this. experienced all this. &gt;&gt; That's right. You know what's cool too &gt;&gt; That's right. You know what's cool too &gt;&gt; That's right. You know what's cool too about this and we didn't even touch on about this and we didn't even touch on about this and we didn't even touch on this. The experience of training in each this. The experience of training in each this. The experience of training in each of these is so different. Like I've of these is so different. Like I've of these is so different. Like I've although I've never I never did a lot of although I've never I never did a lot of although I've never I never did a lot of CrossFit, I've done that style of CrossFit, I've done that style of CrossFit, I've done that style of training when I was doing a lot of training when I was doing a lot of training when I was doing a lot of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Brazilian jiu-jitsu. &gt;&gt; It's a very diff it's a good feeling. &gt;&gt; It's a very diff it's a good feeling. &gt;&gt; It's a very diff it's a good feeling. It's a good feeling to feel like you It's a good feeling to feel like you It's a good feeling to feel like you have stamina, some strength, some have stamina, some strength, some have stamina, some strength, some agility. It feels greatower, but it's a agility. It feels greatower, but it's a agility. It feels greatower, but it's a very different feeling than when I'm very different feeling than when I'm very different feeling than when I'm grinding out, you know, singles, grinding out, you know, singles, grinding out, you know, singles, doubles, and triples of really heavy doubles, and triples of really heavy doubles, and triples of really heavy weight. That's also an awesome feeling, weight. That's also an awesome feeling, weight. That's also an awesome feeling, which is very different from the feeling which is very different from the feeling which is very different from the feeling I get when I'm bodybuilding and I get I get when I'm bodybuilding and I get I get when I'm bodybuilding and I get the pump and I can sculpt my body and the pump and I can sculpt my body and the pump and I can sculpt my body and I'm do this high volume style training. I'm do this high volume style training. I'm do this high volume style training. &gt;&gt; All of them are these wonderful I mean I &gt;&gt; All of them are these wonderful I mean I &gt;&gt; All of them are these wonderful I mean I all three of them if I got into them I all three of them if I got into them I all three of them if I got into them I just have this incredible experience and just have this incredible experience and just have this incredible experience and I think it's I think people should seek I think it's I think people should seek I think it's I think people should seek them out and really understand those them out and really understand those them out and really understand those experiences. experiences. experiences. &gt;&gt; No, I think there's a lot of value go &gt;&gt; No, I think there's a lot of value go &gt;&gt; No, I think there's a lot of value go in. So the the the problem that in. So the the the problem that in. So the the the problem that everybody has is they drink the Kool-Aid everybody has is they drink the Kool-Aid everybody has is they drink the Kool-Aid of the camp. of the camp. of the camp. &gt;&gt; You know what I'm saying? Versus going &gt;&gt; You know what I'm saying? Versus going &gt;&gt; You know what I'm saying? Versus going in and going like, "Hey, I'm interested in and going like, "Hey, I'm interested in and going like, "Hey, I'm interested in this thing. I'm going to appreciate in this thing. I'm going to appreciate in this thing. I'm going to appreciate dive all the way into it." And I think dive all the way into it." And I think dive all the way into it." And I think that has more to say about my that has more to say about my that has more to say about my personality than maybe even when I personality than maybe even when I personality than maybe even when I landed. You make a good point. Like landed. You make a good point. Like landed. You make a good point. Like maybe if I did land peak insecure is 17, maybe if I did land peak insecure is 17, maybe if I did land peak insecure is 17, 19year-old Adam, maybe it would have 19year-old Adam, maybe it would have 19year-old Adam, maybe it would have done something. But this has always been done something. But this has always been done something. But this has always been my personality. One, I've always been my personality. One, I've always been my personality. One, I've always been against the like I'm never like I never against the like I'm never like I never against the like I'm never like I never want to be fit in a box. want to be fit in a box. want to be fit in a box. &gt;&gt; Well, it didn't happen that way for a &gt;&gt; Well, it didn't happen that way for a &gt;&gt; Well, it didn't happen that way for a reason, reason, reason, &gt;&gt; right? Like like Yeah. So, I've always &gt;&gt; right? Like like Yeah. So, I've always &gt;&gt; right? Like like Yeah. So, I've always been that person that to not want to be been that person that to not want to be been that person that to not want to be in a box. Oh, everyone's doing that. I in a box. Oh, everyone's doing that. I in a box. Oh, everyone's doing that. I mean, why the only reason why I'm not mean, why the only reason why I'm not mean, why the only reason why I'm not doing jiu-jitsu is cuz everybody does doing jiu-jitsu is cuz everybody does doing jiu-jitsu is cuz everybody does it. Like, it. Like, it. Like, &gt;&gt; I know. Oh, &gt;&gt; I know. Oh, &gt;&gt; I know. Oh, &gt;&gt; with all my heart I want, hey, with all &gt;&gt; with all my heart I want, hey, with all &gt;&gt; with all my heart I want, hey, with all my heart I want to do it. But then the my heart I want to do it. But then the my heart I want to do it. But then the other other other &gt;&gt; every podcaster in the &gt;&gt; every podcaster in the &gt;&gt; every podcaster in the &gt;&gt; Yes. The other part of me is like &gt;&gt; Yes. The other part of me is like &gt;&gt; Yes. The other part of me is like everybody's doing kung fu, bro. There's everybody's doing kung fu, bro. There's everybody's doing kung fu, bro. There's no podcast kung fu. no podcast kung fu. no podcast kung fu. &gt;&gt; I was going to do Wing Chung. Yes. just &gt;&gt; I was going to do Wing Chung. Yes. just &gt;&gt; I was going to do Wing Chung. Yes. just show but that just just highlights show but that just just highlights show but that just just highlights that's my personality, right? And so you that's my personality, right? And so you that's my personality, right? And so you know as much as I would get into each know as much as I would get into each know as much as I would get into each one of these things, I never would fully one of these things, I never would fully one of these things, I never would fully drink the Kool-Aid is I'm like I'm not drink the Kool-Aid is I'm like I'm not drink the Kool-Aid is I'm like I'm not going to identify. I'm like I am not I'm like I am not &gt;&gt; how much more marketable we would have &gt;&gt; how much more marketable we would have &gt;&gt; how much more marketable we would have been especially with this topic like you been especially with this topic like you been especially with this topic like you bodybuilder, you powerlift and me bodybuilder, you powerlift and me bodybuilder, you powerlift and me CrossFit guy. CrossFit guy. CrossFit guy. &gt;&gt; It would have been Oh, you're right. It &gt;&gt; It would have been Oh, you're right. It &gt;&gt; It would have been Oh, you're right. It would have been if we were if we all had would have been if we were if we all had would have been if we were if we all had a camped a camped a camped &gt;&gt; that we fought for the entire time. It &gt;&gt; that we fought for the entire time. It &gt;&gt; that we fought for the entire time. It would it would actually probably made would it would actually probably made would it would actually probably made for a better and that's what people want for a better and that's what people want for a better and that's what people want drama. drama. drama. &gt;&gt; But the truth is there's so much good &gt;&gt; But the truth is there's so much good &gt;&gt; But the truth is there's so much good from from all of them. I know where you from from all of them. I know where you from from all of them. I know where you know that comes from though, guys. It's know that comes from though, guys. It's know that comes from though, guys. It's not because it's because we train not because it's because we train not because it's because we train people. That's where it comes from. It's people. That's where it comes from. It's people. That's where it comes from. It's because if I never trained a lot of because if I never trained a lot of because if I never trained a lot of people, I'd probably be much more in a people, I'd probably be much more in a people, I'd probably be much more in a camp. camp. camp. &gt;&gt; Sure. But you work with enough people, &gt;&gt; Sure. But you work with enough people, &gt;&gt; Sure. But you work with enough people, enough different personalities, enough enough different personalities, enough enough different personalities, enough different life experiences that you different life experiences that you different life experiences that you start to see the value in all this start to see the value in all this start to see the value in all this stuff. stuff. stuff. &gt;&gt; You know, you know what's cool? &gt;&gt; You know, you know what's cool? &gt;&gt; You know, you know what's cool? &gt;&gt; Nuance matters. Even though uh I can't &gt;&gt; Nuance matters. Even though uh I can't &gt;&gt; Nuance matters. Even though uh I can't quite credit CrossFit for doing this quite credit CrossFit for doing this quite credit CrossFit for doing this because I I kind of got this outside of because I I kind of got this outside of because I I kind of got this outside of CrossFit, although I know CrossFit could CrossFit, although I know CrossFit could CrossFit, although I know CrossFit could you could get this. you could get this. you could get this. &gt;&gt; Um each one of them there's three &gt;&gt; Um each one of them there's three &gt;&gt; Um each one of them there's three attributes that I think made me a like attributes that I think made me a like attributes that I think made me a like what I now consider a good coach. I've what I now consider a good coach. I've what I now consider a good coach. I've openly said first five, seven years openly said first five, seven years openly said first five, seven years terri I was a terrible trainer. Terrible terri I was a terrible trainer. Terrible terri I was a terrible trainer. Terrible trainer. trainer. trainer. &gt;&gt; But like three attributes that I think &gt;&gt; But like three attributes that I think &gt;&gt; But like three attributes that I think make me really [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] good at what I make me really [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] good at what I make me really [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] good at what I do. Um what and I've gotten from each do. Um what and I've gotten from each do. Um what and I've gotten from each one of those one of those one of those &gt;&gt; the the skill and ability to teach uh &gt;&gt; the the skill and ability to teach uh &gt;&gt; the the skill and ability to teach uh powerlifting movements is a skill in powerlifting movements is a skill in powerlifting movements is a skill in itself. Oh yeah. I mean it's it's it's itself. Oh yeah. I mean it's it's it's itself. Oh yeah. I mean it's it's it's part of why when I was at first five part of why when I was at first five part of why when I was at first five years of training, I never even taught years of training, I never even taught years of training, I never even taught deadlift. deadlift. deadlift. &gt;&gt; I was scared to death to do it &gt;&gt; I was scared to death to do it &gt;&gt; I was scared to death to do it &gt;&gt; and much less teach it. And then it took &gt;&gt; and much less teach it. And then it took &gt;&gt; and much less teach it. And then it took me years of getting really proficient at me years of getting really proficient at me years of getting really proficient at it to where I could coach it and it to where I could coach it and it to where I could coach it and actually really cue it and see something actually really cue it and see something actually really cue it and see something and like so that that is a and man that and like so that that is a and man that and like so that that is a and man that makes a good and those are the most makes a good and those are the most makes a good and those are the most fundamental movements. So that's a huge fundamental movements. So that's a huge fundamental movements. So that's a huge attribute that I have that I didn't get attribute that I have that I didn't get attribute that I have that I didn't get until I went through like powerlifting until I went through like powerlifting until I went through like powerlifting style of training for a long period of style of training for a long period of style of training for a long period of time. time. time. &gt;&gt; Bodybuilding which was later in my &gt;&gt; Bodybuilding which was later in my &gt;&gt; Bodybuilding which was later in my career that I experienced dude my level career that I experienced dude my level career that I experienced dude my level of nutrition right coaching and like of nutrition right coaching and like of nutrition right coaching and like &gt;&gt; bro that's what you bring to the &gt;&gt; bro that's what you bring to the &gt;&gt; bro that's what you bring to the podcast. Oh my god. That's like like it podcast. Oh my god. That's like like it podcast. Oh my god. That's like like it it it it was so and it was wild to me it it it was so and it was wild to me it it it was so and it was wild to me because I actually thought I was already because I actually thought I was already because I actually thought I was already a really a really a really &gt;&gt; Yeah. It felt like you know every &gt;&gt; Yeah. It felt like you know every &gt;&gt; Yeah. It felt like you know every average person needs to you know average person needs to you know average person needs to you know &gt;&gt; I I thought I was pretty good. It took &gt;&gt; I I thought I was pretty good. It took &gt;&gt; I I thought I was pretty good. It took me to a whole another level of me to a whole another level of me to a whole another level of understanding and coaching to somebody understanding and coaching to somebody understanding and coaching to somebody else, right? Like to where where I can else, right? Like to where where I can else, right? Like to where where I can look at a body and go like this is look at a body and go like this is look at a body and go like this is what's what's what's &gt;&gt; bro when it comes to X's and O's and &gt;&gt; bro when it comes to X's and O's and &gt;&gt; bro when it comes to X's and O's and this and that and that many grams of this and that and that many grams of this and that and that many grams of this and that. Bodybuilders are the this and that. Bodybuilders are the this and that. Bodybuilders are the scientist scientist scientist &gt;&gt; and it and it and it it does it takes &gt;&gt; and it and it and it it does it takes &gt;&gt; and it and it and it it does it takes you to and then even though I didn't you to and then even though I didn't you to and then even though I didn't really get this from CrossFit, I think really get this from CrossFit, I think really get this from CrossFit, I think you could credit CrossFit like my you could credit CrossFit like my you could credit CrossFit like my mobility mobility mobility &gt;&gt; like what I got from Dr. Brink and the &gt;&gt; like what I got from Dr. Brink and the &gt;&gt; like what I got from Dr. Brink and the time that I spent with him and all the time that I spent with him and all the time that I spent with him and all the learning that I went deep on my my learning that I went deep on my my learning that I went deep on my my mobility journey which you could argue mobility journey which you could argue mobility journey which you could argue that element comes from CrossFit or it's that element comes from CrossFit or it's that element comes from CrossFit or it's embedded in CrossFit. And I think those embedded in CrossFit. And I think those embedded in CrossFit. And I think those three things in a coach if you if you three things in a coach if you if you three things in a coach if you if you have elite level of those three like you have elite level of those three like you have elite level of those three like you are are are &gt;&gt; oh yeah &gt;&gt; oh yeah &gt;&gt; oh yeah &gt;&gt; who are you not able to like point like &gt;&gt; who are you not able to like point like &gt;&gt; who are you not able to like point like who are you not able to like completely who are you not able to like completely who are you not able to like completely help to a extreme level like name it help to a extreme level like name it help to a extreme level like name it name me name me a client that you come name me name me a client that you come name me name me a client that you come across that if those are three really across that if those are three really across that if those are three really strong attributes and again this is not strong attributes and again this is not strong attributes and again this is not my point of this was not me to pump my my point of this was not me to pump my my point of this was not me to pump my own tires it's just that my journey of own tires it's just that my journey of own tires it's just that my journey of going through all those when I think going through all those when I think going through all those when I think back of like you know hey what I admit I back of like you know hey what I admit I back of like you know hey what I admit I was been a shitty coach for a long time. was been a shitty coach for a long time. was been a shitty coach for a long time. Uh I I I I believe I'm really good at Uh I I I I believe I'm really good at Uh I I I I believe I'm really good at what I do today. What are what what if I what I do today. What are what what if I what I do today. What are what what if I had to distill it down to three like had to distill it down to three like had to distill it down to three like badass attributes? Those are the three. badass attributes? Those are the three. badass attributes? Those are the three. &gt;&gt; Of course. &gt;&gt; Of course. &gt;&gt; Of course. &gt;&gt; Right. 100%. &gt;&gt; Right. 100%. &gt;&gt; Right. 100%. &gt;&gt; Would you not agree that those are &gt;&gt; Would you not agree that those are &gt;&gt; Would you not agree that those are probably the three that like you is probably the three that like you is probably the three that like you is there anything? Am I going to say am I there anything? Am I going to say am I there anything? Am I going to say am I missing like you put correctional missing like you put correctional missing like you put correctional exercise with the mobility which is why exercise with the mobility which is why exercise with the mobility which is why I put in that category. I put in that category. I put in that category. &gt;&gt; But I mean I guess you could qualify. &gt;&gt; But I mean I guess you could qualify. &gt;&gt; But I mean I guess you could qualify. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, &gt;&gt; I would. Right. I would say that and &gt;&gt; I would. Right. I would say that and &gt;&gt; I would. Right. I would say that and maybe you because that that could get maybe you because that that could get maybe you because that that could get even a little bit Kelly Starret stuff in even a little bit Kelly Starret stuff in even a little bit Kelly Starret stuff in there. You're good. there. You're good. there. You're good. &gt;&gt; Yeah. My influence was I I I was &gt;&gt; Yeah. My influence was I I I was &gt;&gt; Yeah. My influence was I I I was blessed. I I was I've been so blessed to blessed. I I was I've been so blessed to blessed. I I was I've been so blessed to have these opportunities but be put in have these opportunities but be put in have these opportunities but be put in front of me where I learned from people front of me where I learned from people front of me where I learned from people who know so much more than me. Like I who know so much more than me. Like I who know so much more than me. Like I got powerlifting experience early on got powerlifting experience early on got powerlifting experience early on from older powerlifters who showed me from older powerlifters who showed me from older powerlifters who showed me the major lifts. Uh bodybuilding was the major lifts. Uh bodybuilding was the major lifts. Uh bodybuilding was always something I was into. So that was always something I was into. So that was always something I was into. So that was just me reading and learning about it. just me reading and learning about it. just me reading and learning about it. And then the mobility and and uh uh And then the mobility and and uh uh And then the mobility and and uh uh correctional exercise. I had a badass correctional exercise. I had a badass correctional exercise. I had a badass physical therapist that worked in my physical therapist that worked in my physical therapist that worked in my studio with me for eight years that I studio with me for eight years that I studio with me for eight years that I get to watch and see what she could do get to watch and see what she could do get to watch and see what she could do and just listen. It was a tiny studio so and just listen. It was a tiny studio so and just listen. It was a tiny studio so I was like I could hear everything like I was like I could hear everything like I was like I could hear everything like those things right there. Oh my gosh. those things right there. Oh my gosh. those things right there. Oh my gosh. Like great combination. Like great combination. Like great combination. &gt;&gt; Okay, so let's take it a layer deeper &gt;&gt; Okay, so let's take it a layer deeper &gt;&gt; Okay, so let's take it a layer deeper because you just have anything and you because you just have anything and you because you just have anything and you you did Justin by saying uh giving Kelly you did Justin by saying uh giving Kelly you did Justin by saying uh giving Kelly Star his love because I think it's Well, Star his love because I think it's Well, Star his love because I think it's Well, I think he's he Oh yeah. Oh, he's a I think he's he Oh yeah. Oh, he's a I think he's he Oh yeah. Oh, he's a champion. Oh yeah, for sure. champion. Oh yeah, for sure. champion. Oh yeah, for sure. &gt;&gt; Maybe if not the most important person &gt;&gt; Maybe if not the most important person &gt;&gt; Maybe if not the most important person to CrossFit in my opinion. Y to CrossFit in my opinion. Y to CrossFit in my opinion. Y &gt;&gt; um I mean obviously Greg Glassman &gt;&gt; um I mean obviously Greg Glassman &gt;&gt; um I mean obviously Greg Glassman created it so you can get Rob on that created it so you can get Rob on that created it so you can get Rob on that side but I but Kelly Starret with with side but I but Kelly Starret with with side but I but Kelly Starret with with mobility really saved it. mobility really saved it. mobility really saved it. &gt;&gt; Mhm. &gt;&gt; Mhm. &gt;&gt; Mhm. &gt;&gt; In fact all my CrossFit without Kelly &gt;&gt; In fact all my CrossFit without Kelly &gt;&gt; In fact all my CrossFit without Kelly Starret dies Starret dies Starret dies &gt;&gt; without addressing the mobility. &gt;&gt; without addressing the mobility. &gt;&gt; without addressing the mobility. &gt;&gt; Yeah. They wouldn't hide all the &gt;&gt; Yeah. They wouldn't hide all the &gt;&gt; Yeah. They wouldn't hide all the &gt;&gt; Exactly. They would still have the &gt;&gt; Exactly. They would still have the &gt;&gt; Exactly. They would still have the throwing up throwing up throwing up &gt;&gt; class. So, so I'm going to So, let's try &gt;&gt; class. So, so I'm going to So, let's try &gt;&gt; class. So, so I'm going to So, let's try and come up with a book, a book, a and come up with a book, a book, a and come up with a book, a book, a philosophy or a teacher for each one of philosophy or a teacher for each one of philosophy or a teacher for each one of those. If like that's like you were you those. If like that's like you were you those. If like that's like you were you &gt;&gt; Oh, god. &gt;&gt; Oh, god. &gt;&gt; Oh, god. &gt;&gt; So, I I think supple leopard for for &gt;&gt; So, I I think supple leopard for for &gt;&gt; So, I I think supple leopard for for starting for I think starting strength starting for I think starting strength starting for I think starting strength is a great one. is a great one. is a great one. &gt;&gt; Bodybuilding. &gt;&gt; Bodybuilding. &gt;&gt; Bodybuilding. &gt;&gt; I can't you can't say Arnold's. &gt;&gt; I can't you can't say Arnold's. &gt;&gt; I can't you can't say Arnold's. &gt;&gt; I think so. &gt;&gt; I think so. &gt;&gt; I think so. &gt;&gt; Really? &gt;&gt; Really? &gt;&gt; Really? &gt;&gt; Yeah. I think because you're going to &gt;&gt; Yeah. I think because you're going to &gt;&gt; Yeah. I think because you're going to have uh movements for every body part. have uh movements for every body part. have uh movements for every body part. &gt;&gt; Do like good basic diet uh advice in &gt;&gt; Do like good basic diet uh advice in &gt;&gt; Do like good basic diet uh advice in there. Uh it's they call it the encycl there. Uh it's they call it the encycl there. Uh it's they call it the encycl the encyclopedia. Well, he he called it the encyclopedia. Well, he he called it the encyclopedia. Well, he he called it that, but I think people refer to it as that, but I think people refer to it as that, but I think people refer to it as that for a reason. So, I think body I that for a reason. So, I think body I that for a reason. So, I think body I think the the encyclopedia of think the the encyclopedia of think the the encyclopedia of bodybuilding would be a good place to bodybuilding would be a good place to bodybuilding would be a good place to start. I really do. Had a huge impact on start. I really do. Had a huge impact on start. I really do. Had a huge impact on me as a kid. me as a kid. me as a kid. &gt;&gt; Yeah, he didn't have enough on me. &gt;&gt; Yeah, he didn't have enough on me. &gt;&gt; Yeah, he didn't have enough on me. That's why I struggle with this one. That's why I struggle with this one. That's why I struggle with this one. Ironically, the one Ironically, the one Ironically, the one &gt;&gt; You have any that? &gt;&gt; You have any that? &gt;&gt; You have any that? &gt;&gt; No, that's I was trying to come to my I &gt;&gt; No, that's I was trying to come to my I &gt;&gt; No, that's I was trying to come to my I got you know, I got to give our boy got you know, I got to give our boy got you know, I got to give our boy credit good friend of ours. Um I got a credit good friend of ours. Um I got a credit good friend of ours. Um I got a lot from Lane during my years. Oh, sure. lot from Lane during my years. Oh, sure. lot from Lane during my years. Oh, sure. &gt;&gt; That's how I found Lane. I found Lane &gt;&gt; That's how I found Lane. I found Lane &gt;&gt; That's how I found Lane. I found Lane because I actually thought he like there because I actually thought he like there because I actually thought he like there was a there was a transition in the was a there was a transition in the was a there was a transition in the bodybuilding uh world of uh very old bodybuilding uh world of uh very old bodybuilding uh world of uh very old kind of science around nutrition and kind of science around nutrition and kind of science around nutrition and diet diet diet &gt;&gt; reverse dieting. &gt;&gt; reverse dieting. &gt;&gt; reverse dieting. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. Everything. I mean even like &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. Everything. I mean even like &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. Everything. I mean even like sodium and water intake and there was a sodium and water intake and there was a sodium and water intake and there was a lot of things that the bodybuilding lot of things that the bodybuilding lot of things that the bodybuilding &gt;&gt; lane changed that. &gt;&gt; lane changed that. &gt;&gt; lane changed that. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Lane had a big influence on the &gt;&gt; Yeah. Lane had a big influence on the &gt;&gt; Yeah. Lane had a big influence on the natural bodybuilding space uh early on natural bodybuilding space uh early on natural bodybuilding space uh early on and and again a lot of bodybuilding back and and again a lot of bodybuilding back and and again a lot of bodybuilding back in Arnold days uh well that's not true in Arnold days uh well that's not true in Arnold days uh well that's not true because Barn that wasn't high steroid because Barn that wasn't high steroid because Barn that wasn't high steroid day but a lot of the a lot of the day but a lot of the a lot of the day but a lot of the a lot of the information came from anabolic side of information came from anabolic side of information came from anabolic side of things things things &gt;&gt; um and the and like the fine &gt;&gt; um and the and like the fine &gt;&gt; um and the and like the fine &gt;&gt; there was also one person telling &gt;&gt; there was also one person telling &gt;&gt; there was also one person telling another and this is what worked for me. another and this is what worked for me. another and this is what worked for me. There wasn't any science. There wasn't any science. There wasn't any science. &gt;&gt; Yeah. I felt like I I felt like Lane did &gt;&gt; Yeah. I felt like I I felt like Lane did &gt;&gt; Yeah. I felt like I I felt like Lane did such a good job uh of that during that such a good job uh of that during that such a good job uh of that during that time. And take him or leave him as far time. And take him or leave him as far time. And take him or leave him as far as like he's your personality or not, as like he's your personality or not, as like he's your personality or not, but I have to give him credit for being but I have to give him credit for being but I have to give him credit for being somebody who was very influential for somebody who was very influential for somebody who was very influential for you. you. you. &gt;&gt; I agree. He came out real big when uh uh &gt;&gt; I agree. He came out real big when uh uh &gt;&gt; I agree. He came out real big when uh uh like bodybuilding forums were really big like bodybuilding forums were really big like bodybuilding forums were really big and so he had this huge impact through and so he had this huge impact through and so he had this huge impact through all of that. all of that. all of that. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. He stuck around a long time &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. He stuck around a long time &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. He stuck around a long time because I mean because I mean because I mean &gt;&gt; like like you said like him or or not &gt;&gt; like like you said like him or or not &gt;&gt; like like you said like him or or not with personalitywise uh like the guy with personalitywise uh like the guy with personalitywise uh like the guy &gt;&gt; he communicates things that I mean very &gt;&gt; he communicates things that I mean very &gt;&gt; he communicates things that I mean very very well very well done back. very well very well done back. very well very well done back. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So his his sign and he has &gt;&gt; Yeah. So his his sign and he has &gt;&gt; Yeah. So his his sign and he has obviously incredible understanding of obviously incredible understanding of obviously incredible understanding of programming so because he's also got a programming so because he's also got a programming so because he's also got a powerlifting background with his powerlifting background with his powerlifting background with his bodybuilding. So he's bodybuilding. So he's bodybuilding. So he's &gt;&gt; he's definitely very very uh you know &gt;&gt; he's definitely very very uh you know &gt;&gt; he's definitely very very uh you know what's unfortunate is he probably what's unfortunate is he probably what's unfortunate is he probably doesn't get the love he deserves because doesn't get the love he deserves because doesn't get the love he deserves because he doesn't have this crazy genetic he doesn't have this crazy genetic he doesn't have this crazy genetic physique. physique. physique. &gt;&gt; Oh. So he doesn't look So for you think &gt;&gt; Oh. So he doesn't look So for you think &gt;&gt; Oh. So he doesn't look So for you think bodybuilding, you think Arnold right bodybuilding, you think Arnold right bodybuilding, you think Arnold right away because of how he looks. away because of how he looks. away because of how he looks. &gt;&gt; Oh, you mean for bodybuilding? &gt;&gt; Oh, you mean for bodybuilding? &gt;&gt; Oh, you mean for bodybuilding? &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. But like if I were but like and &gt;&gt; Yeah. But like if I were but like and &gt;&gt; Yeah. But like if I were but like and I'm not I'm not I'm not a fan of I'm not I'm not I'm not a fan of I'm not I'm not I'm not a fan of Arnold's programming. Arnold's programming. Arnold's programming. &gt;&gt; I mean &gt;&gt; I mean &gt;&gt; I mean &gt;&gt; Oh no. programming. I was thinking &gt;&gt; Oh no. programming. I was thinking &gt;&gt; Oh no. programming. I was thinking powerlifting would be like Louis Simmons powerlifting would be like Louis Simmons powerlifting would be like Louis Simmons or like Westside. or like Westside. or like Westside. &gt;&gt; Oh god. They changed the game. &gt;&gt; Oh god. They changed the game. &gt;&gt; Oh god. They changed the game. &gt;&gt; Have to put him in there. 100%. &gt;&gt; Have to put him in there. 100%. &gt;&gt; Have to put him in there. 100%. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, I'm I just thought that would &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, I'm I just thought that would &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, I'm I just thought that would be a fun way to take this like let's say be a fun way to take this like let's say be a fun way to take this like let's say you're not a trainer who wants to you're not a trainer who wants to you're not a trainer who wants to technically go through all these cuz cuz technically go through all these cuz cuz technically go through all these cuz cuz that here's the other thing. I mean, that here's the other thing. I mean, that here's the other thing. I mean, we've read all those things we've read all those things we've read all those things &gt;&gt; and experienced all those things. That's &gt;&gt; and experienced all those things. That's &gt;&gt; and experienced all those things. That's the the just the the ultimate is have the the just the the ultimate is have the the just the the ultimate is have you read all all the greatest minds in you read all all the greatest minds in you read all all the greatest minds in those or some of the greatest minds you those or some of the greatest minds you those or some of the greatest minds you say all of them be exaggeration but some say all of them be exaggeration but some say all of them be exaggeration but some of the greatest minds in those fields of the greatest minds in those fields of the greatest minds in those fields and then have you gone through it and then have you gone through it and then have you gone through it yourself. So, can you can yourself. So, can you can yourself. So, can you can &gt;&gt; communicate &gt;&gt; communicate &gt;&gt; communicate &gt;&gt; and then go work with a good coach who's &gt;&gt; and then go work with a good coach who's &gt;&gt; and then go work with a good coach who's got experience. Yeah. cuz cuz when you got experience. Yeah. cuz cuz when you got experience. Yeah. cuz cuz when you throw a wrench in of different throw a wrench in of different throw a wrench in of different personalities and body types and personalities and body types and personalities and body types and variances and all kinds of stuff. Uh now variances and all kinds of stuff. Uh now variances and all kinds of stuff. Uh now what you think you know gets challenged. what you think you know gets challenged. what you think you know gets challenged. I so many times what I thought was right I so many times what I thought was right I so many times what I thought was right would get challenged because it just would get challenged because it just would get challenged because it just didn't work with a client for whatever didn't work with a client for whatever didn't work with a client for whatever reason and I'd have to throw it out the reason and I'd have to throw it out the reason and I'd have to throw it out the window and go, "Okay, let me consider window and go, "Okay, let me consider window and go, "Okay, let me consider this other thing." this other thing." this other thing." &gt;&gt; You know, uh talking about our friends, &gt;&gt; You know, uh talking about our friends, &gt;&gt; You know, uh talking about our friends, uh that it's been on here and been uh that it's been on here and been uh that it's been on here and been friends of ours for a long time. Another friends of ours for a long time. Another friends of ours for a long time. Another one. Are you guys watching our friend one. Are you guys watching our friend one. Are you guys watching our friend Drew Canoli right now? Oh, he's doing Drew Canoli right now? Oh, he's doing Drew Canoli right now? Oh, he's doing great. great. great. &gt;&gt; Viral video after viral video. &gt;&gt; Viral video after viral video. &gt;&gt; Viral video after viral video. &gt;&gt; I So, this is the the business side. &gt;&gt; I So, this is the the business side. &gt;&gt; I So, this is the the business side. &gt;&gt; He communicates that wellness side very &gt;&gt; He communicates that wellness side very &gt;&gt; He communicates that wellness side very well. well. well. &gt;&gt; Well, you want you want to hear the geek &gt;&gt; Well, you want you want to hear the geek &gt;&gt; Well, you want you want to hear the geek side, the side that I get like, okay, so side, the side that I get like, okay, so side, the side that I get like, okay, so I get an opportunity to talk to a lot of I get an opportunity to talk to a lot of I get an opportunity to talk to a lot of these friends of ours that are like the these friends of ours that are like the these friends of ours that are like the the founders and stuff. the founders and stuff. the founders and stuff. &gt;&gt; He's a founder of Organifi for people &gt;&gt; He's a founder of Organifi for people &gt;&gt; He's a founder of Organifi for people listening. listening. listening. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, he's a founder of Organifi. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, he's a founder of Organifi. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, he's a founder of Organifi. You've actually known him even longer You've actually known him even longer You've actually known him even longer than I have. Um, I've maintained a close than I have. Um, I've maintained a close than I have. Um, I've maintained a close relationship, so I talk to him fairly relationship, so I talk to him fairly relationship, so I talk to him fairly regularly. him and Mike Matthews and regularly. him and Mike Matthews and regularly. him and Mike Matthews and many other these founders of big many other these founders of big many other these founders of big companies that are friends of ours and companies that are friends of ours and companies that are friends of ours and uh I love getting to know like the uh I love getting to know like the uh I love getting to know like the behind the-scenes stuff and like I've behind the-scenes stuff and like I've behind the-scenes stuff and like I've watched that whole journey of that watched that whole journey of that watched that whole journey of that company uh you know move its way all the company uh you know move its way all the company uh you know move its way all the way up to like a hundred million dollar way up to like a hundred million dollar way up to like a hundred million dollar company and then watch it come all the company and then watch it come all the company and then watch it come all the way down way down way down &gt;&gt; and and a lot of that had to be with &gt;&gt; and and a lot of that had to be with &gt;&gt; and and a lot of that had to be with with Drew stepping in and out of the with Drew stepping in and out of the with Drew stepping in and out of the company company company &gt;&gt; like he's always been a part of it but &gt;&gt; like he's always been a part of it but &gt;&gt; like he's always been a part of it but he stepped back for many years like he stepped back for many years like he stepped back for many years like after it really shot up we first got after it really shot up we first got after it really shot up we first got introduced to him in fact when we first introduced to him in fact when we first introduced to him in fact when we first got introduced he was he had a different got introduced he was he had a different got introduced he was he had a different CEO in place and I remember being really CEO in place and I remember being really CEO in place and I remember being really fascinated with this because mind pump fascinated with this because mind pump fascinated with this because mind pump was really early and at that time I was really early and at that time I was really early and at that time I really wrestled with this idea of like really wrestled with this idea of like really wrestled with this idea of like you know should I step aside and like you know should I step aside and like you know should I step aside and like like hire somebody else to to run to run like hire somebody else to to run to run like hire somebody else to to run to run us right and tell us what to do like I'm us right and tell us what to do like I'm us right and tell us what to do like I'm very at that point not knowing what was very at that point not knowing what was very at that point not knowing what was the right call and and remember thinking the right call and and remember thinking the right call and and remember thinking about the different plays that we could about the different plays that we could about the different plays that we could do and so and then seeing him do that do and so and then seeing him do that do and so and then seeing him do that made me feel like oh that's the right made me feel like oh that's the right made me feel like oh that's the right thing to do when you get to a certain thing to do when you get to a certain thing to do when you get to a certain point point point &gt;&gt; be wise enough to like remove yourself &gt;&gt; be wise enough to like remove yourself &gt;&gt; be wise enough to like remove yourself from it. Don't let your ego get in the from it. Don't let your ego get in the from it. Don't let your ego get in the way that you need a hat. So, I had so way that you need a hat. So, I had so way that you need a hat. So, I had so much respect for that. But then it also much respect for that. But then it also much respect for that. But then it also took a huge dive. took a huge dive. took a huge dive. &gt;&gt; Well, Drew, &gt;&gt; Well, Drew, &gt;&gt; Well, Drew, &gt;&gt; he has now reinserted himself. &gt;&gt; he has now reinserted himself. &gt;&gt; he has now reinserted himself. &gt;&gt; He's got a he's uh &gt;&gt; He's got a he's uh &gt;&gt; He's got a he's uh &gt;&gt; he's a big huge part of it. &gt;&gt; he's a big huge part of it. &gt;&gt; he's a big huge part of it. &gt;&gt; He's very um what's the word? He's &gt;&gt; He's very um what's the word? He's &gt;&gt; He's very um what's the word? He's brilliant brilliant brilliant &gt;&gt; in understanding uh for lack of a better &gt;&gt; in understanding uh for lack of a better &gt;&gt; in understanding uh for lack of a better term or better description the wellness term or better description the wellness term or better description the wellness side of supplements and health. And he side of supplements and health. And he side of supplements and health. And he also communicates it very well. also communicates it very well. also communicates it very well. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Uh but and he gets it because he &gt;&gt; Yeah. Uh but and he gets it because he &gt;&gt; Yeah. Uh but and he gets it because he lives it. So this is why Organifi is one lives it. So this is why Organifi is one lives it. So this is why Organifi is one of those brands that needs that vision. of those brands that needs that vision. of those brands that needs that vision. It's not just a supplement company It's not just a supplement company It's not just a supplement company because if it was then you're just because if it was then you're just because if it was then you're just competing with other sub although they competing with other sub although they competing with other sub although they have great products. have great products. have great products. &gt;&gt; They're tested across the board like &gt;&gt; They're tested across the board like &gt;&gt; They're tested across the board like they they have some of the most rigorous they they have some of the most rigorous they they have some of the most rigorous testing. They even test for glyphosates. testing. They even test for glyphosates. testing. They even test for glyphosates. &gt;&gt; Here's the trends. &gt;&gt; Here's the trends. &gt;&gt; Here's the trends. &gt;&gt; Uh but their formulations &gt;&gt; Uh but their formulations &gt;&gt; Uh but their formulations uh are are very very smart because of uh are are very very smart because of uh are are very very smart because of the team that they have. But more than the team that they have. But more than the team that they have. But more than that, it's like this visionary company that, it's like this visionary company that, it's like this visionary company that leads wellness. And without someone that leads wellness. And without someone that leads wellness. And without someone like Drew who's a leader, he's a thought like Drew who's a leader, he's a thought like Drew who's a leader, he's a thought leader in that space. leader in that space. leader in that space. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Good luck. And so now that he's on &gt;&gt; Good luck. And so now that he's on &gt;&gt; Good luck. And so now that he's on social media and communicating like social media and communicating like social media and communicating like things that are around health and things that are around health and things that are around health and wellness, he does it so well and he gets wellness, he does it so well and he gets wellness, he does it so well and he gets it. He gets it. He gets it. He gets &gt;&gt; how to communicate it. He gets how to &gt;&gt; how to communicate it. He gets how to &gt;&gt; how to communicate it. He gets how to talk about talk about talk about &gt;&gt; the science but also the experience and &gt;&gt; the science but also the experience and &gt;&gt; the science but also the experience and he knows what people need to hear he knows what people need to hear he knows what people need to hear because he's one of those people. because he's one of those people. because he's one of those people. &gt;&gt; What was the name of his YouTube? Trying &gt;&gt; What was the name of his YouTube? Trying &gt;&gt; What was the name of his YouTube? Trying to replace them is impossible. to replace them is impossible. to replace them is impossible. &gt;&gt; No, you can't. You can't. That's just, &gt;&gt; No, you can't. You can't. That's just, &gt;&gt; No, you can't. You can't. That's just, you know, it's also a sign of the times, you know, it's also a sign of the times, you know, it's also a sign of the times, too. I think it's like this is companies too. I think it's like this is companies too. I think it's like this is companies want the face of the brand now. And want the face of the brand now. And want the face of the brand now. And there's so many faceless brands out there's so many faceless brands out there's so many faceless brands out there and and supplements are another there and and supplements are another there and and supplements are another one and supplements are one of those one and supplements are one of those one and supplements are one of those things where it's like things where it's like things where it's like &gt;&gt; how do I know I trust it? Now, of &gt;&gt; how do I know I trust it? Now, of &gt;&gt; how do I know I trust it? Now, of course, you know, we've co-signed for course, you know, we've co-signed for course, you know, we've co-signed for them for a very long time. So, that does them for a very long time. So, that does them for a very long time. So, that does I'm sure that why we're partners with I'm sure that why we're partners with I'm sure that why we're partners with them still. But having him back as like them still. But having him back as like them still. But having him back as like the face and talking I I don't remember the face and talking I I don't remember the face and talking I I don't remember what it was when he reintroduced himself what it was when he reintroduced himself what it was when he reintroduced himself again uh to Instagram. But I mean he's again uh to Instagram. But I mean he's again uh to Instagram. But I mean he's in in the millions like just in in the millions like just in in the millions like just &gt;&gt; watched him explode. &gt;&gt; watched him explode. &gt;&gt; watched him explode. &gt;&gt; Whatever that formula is, he knows it &gt;&gt; Whatever that formula is, he knows it &gt;&gt; Whatever that formula is, he knows it like in and out. Yeah. And he just steps like in and out. Yeah. And he just steps like in and out. Yeah. And he just steps in. in. in. &gt;&gt; So so good. &gt;&gt; So so good. &gt;&gt; So so good. &gt;&gt; You know what I love about Drew is he's &gt;&gt; You know what I love about Drew is he's &gt;&gt; You know what I love about Drew is he's s he's a great guy. You meet him, you s he's a great guy. You meet him, you s he's a great guy. You meet him, you just you love the guy. He's a really just you love the guy. He's a really just you love the guy. He's a really good guy. He's out there just enough. good guy. He's out there just enough. good guy. He's out there just enough. Uh, but he's not like he owns it. Uh, but he's not like he owns it. Uh, but he's not like he owns it. &gt;&gt; He's not. Yes, he owns it. And he's not &gt;&gt; He's not. Yes, he owns it. And he's not &gt;&gt; He's not. Yes, he owns it. And he's not one of those out there people that's one of those out there people that's one of those out there people that's like hyper sensitive. like hyper sensitive. like hyper sensitive. &gt;&gt; Yeah. I like that he's a weirdo and he &gt;&gt; Yeah. I like that he's a weirdo and he &gt;&gt; Yeah. I like that he's a weirdo and he like owns it like owns it like owns it &gt;&gt; to hang out with us. Like if we like &gt;&gt; to hang out with us. Like if we like &gt;&gt; to hang out with us. Like if we like you, we start to tease you. This is what you, we start to tease you. This is what you, we start to tease you. This is what we do. So So we're we're guys like that. we do. So So we're we're guys like that. we do. So So we're we're guys like that. &gt;&gt; And Drew's like he's not like sensitive &gt;&gt; And Drew's like he's not like sensitive &gt;&gt; And Drew's like he's not like sensitive or whatever. He loves it. Takes it. He or whatever. He loves it. Takes it. He or whatever. He loves it. Takes it. He owns it. owns it. owns it. &gt;&gt; I'll give you an example. &gt;&gt; I'll give you an example. &gt;&gt; I'll give you an example. &gt;&gt; I'll give you I'll give you an example &gt;&gt; I'll give you I'll give you an example &gt;&gt; I'll give you I'll give you an example of of of people that who he's like and of of of people that who he's like and of of of people that who he's like and how they were different is uh Ben how they were different is uh Ben how they were different is uh Ben Greenfield is like this. Yeah, Greenfield is like this. Yeah, Greenfield is like this. Yeah, &gt;&gt; but Ben Greenfield took a lot longer to &gt;&gt; but Ben Greenfield took a lot longer to &gt;&gt; but Ben Greenfield took a lot longer to warm up to us. Drew was like instantly warm up to us. Drew was like instantly warm up to us. Drew was like instantly like Drew the first time we could be we like Drew the first time we could be we like Drew the first time we could be we were all in a room together. We could were all in a room together. We could were all in a room together. We could talk [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] like that. talk [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] like that. talk [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] like that. &gt;&gt; Remember when he came in remember he &gt;&gt; Remember when he came in remember he &gt;&gt; Remember when he came in remember he came into that meeting and he was came into that meeting and he was came into that meeting and he was wearing that it looked like a sergeant wearing that it looked like a sergeant wearing that it looked like a sergeant uh was that what's that Sergeant Pepper? uh was that what's that Sergeant Pepper? uh was that what's that Sergeant Pepper? &gt;&gt; Yeah &gt;&gt; Yeah &gt;&gt; Yeah jacket. I'm like bro it's a nice Beatles jacket. I'm like bro it's a nice Beatles jacket. I'm like bro it's a nice Beatles jacket. jacket. jacket. &gt;&gt; No right away like didn't didn't where &gt;&gt; No right away like didn't didn't where &gt;&gt; No right away like didn't didn't where where Ben was like Ben took Ben took a where Ben was like Ben took Ben took a where Ben was like Ben took Ben took a little while to warm up to us. you did. little while to warm up to us. you did. little while to warm up to us. you did. &gt;&gt; And and both guys, you know what I what &gt;&gt; And and both guys, you know what I what &gt;&gt; And and both guys, you know what I what I enjoy most about them and I know they I enjoy most about them and I know they I enjoy most about them and I know they they're somewhat controversial figures they're somewhat controversial figures they're somewhat controversial figures &gt;&gt; online and you know, we've gotten to &gt;&gt; online and you know, we've gotten to &gt;&gt; online and you know, we've gotten to become friends and know them very very become friends and know them very very become friends and know them very very well. And the thing that I respect the well. And the thing that I respect the well. And the thing that I respect the most about both of those guys that I most about both of those guys that I most about both of those guys that I think they get a lot of scrutiny around think they get a lot of scrutiny around think they get a lot of scrutiny around is being these kind of hippie- dippy is being these kind of hippie- dippy is being these kind of hippie- dippy biohack guys, but they live it. There is biohack guys, but they live it. There is biohack guys, but they live it. There is a lot of people It's not fake. There is a lot of people It's not fake. There is a lot of people It's not fake. There is a lot of people that have jumped on that a lot of people that have jumped on that a lot of people that have jumped on that bandwagon and they're and Yes. and they bandwagon and they're and Yes. and they bandwagon and they're and Yes. and they they pitch it, they preach it, they talk they pitch it, they preach it, they talk they pitch it, they preach it, they talk all about it, but they like they those all about it, but they like they those all about it, but they like they those guys live that lifestyle and are really guys live that lifestyle and are really guys live that lifestyle and are really really into that. And listen, if like really into that. And listen, if like really into that. And listen, if like the the newest ashwagandha or whatever the the newest ashwagandha or whatever the the newest ashwagandha or whatever thing that everyone's talking about like thing that everyone's talking about like thing that everyone's talking about like the the the hell of studies supporting it, you know, hell of studies supporting it, you know, hell of studies supporting it, you know, it's like established it's like established it's like established &gt;&gt; whatever the newest the newest thing, &gt;&gt; whatever the newest the newest thing, &gt;&gt; whatever the newest the newest thing, you know, what's the what's the new the you know, what's the what's the new the you know, what's the what's the new the uh the last one that we we that has uh the last one that we we that has uh the last one that we we that has blown every blown every blown every Sheila, you know, he's always on the the Sheila, you know, he's always on the the Sheila, you know, he's always on the the front end of that. front end of that. front end of that. &gt;&gt; That was the one I was looking for. &gt;&gt; That was the one I was looking for. &gt;&gt; That was the one I was looking for. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. That's &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. That's &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. That's &gt;&gt; But it's so true though. like he's he's &gt;&gt; But it's so true though. like he's he's &gt;&gt; But it's so true though. like he's he's always the guy to be the first one and always the guy to be the first one and always the guy to be the first one and then I feel like everybody else kind of then I feel like everybody else kind of then I feel like everybody else kind of follows that trend. follows that trend. follows that trend. &gt;&gt; That's right. They did set that trend &gt;&gt; That's right. They did set that trend &gt;&gt; That's right. They did set that trend trend started with Organifi. trend started with Organifi. trend started with Organifi. &gt;&gt; He probably started the Ashwag. Green &gt;&gt; He probably started the Ashwag. Green &gt;&gt; He probably started the Ashwag. Green juice was him. juice was him. juice was him. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Green juice was him. You're right. &gt;&gt; Green juice was him. You're right. &gt;&gt; Green juice was him. You're right. &gt;&gt; Green juice was not popular. All those &gt;&gt; Green juice was not popular. All those &gt;&gt; Green juice was not popular. All those other brands that are huge and everybody other brands that are huge and everybody other brands that are huge and everybody knows about Organizable. knows about Organizable. knows about Organizable. &gt;&gt; Their flagship product. What you say? &gt;&gt; Their flagship product. What you say? &gt;&gt; Their flagship product. What you say? &gt;&gt; Marketable. &gt;&gt; Marketable. &gt;&gt; Marketable. &gt;&gt; Marketable. &gt;&gt; Marketable. &gt;&gt; Marketable. &gt;&gt; I love Paul, but &gt;&gt; I love Paul, but &gt;&gt; I love Paul, but &gt;&gt; I just tuned in to him the other day. &gt;&gt; I just tuned in to him the other day. &gt;&gt; I just tuned in to him the other day. Paul's too Paul's too Paul's too &gt;&gt; abrasive. He's great, dude. &gt;&gt; abrasive. He's great, dude. &gt;&gt; abrasive. He's great, dude. &gt;&gt; I love him just cuz he's always going to &gt;&gt; I love him just cuz he's always going to &gt;&gt; I love him just cuz he's always going to be Paul. be Paul. be Paul. &gt;&gt; Yeah, he is. &gt;&gt; Yeah, he is. &gt;&gt; Yeah, he is. &gt;&gt; And he's always going to wear the same &gt;&gt; And he's always going to wear the same &gt;&gt; And he's always going to wear the same pants. pants. pants. &gt;&gt; Yep. No matter what. &gt;&gt; Yep. No matter what. &gt;&gt; Yep. No matter what. &gt;&gt; Yeah. I just watched him rock the other &gt;&gt; Yeah. I just watched him rock the other &gt;&gt; Yeah. I just watched him rock the other day. I was like, what? I was just, you day. I was like, what? I was just, you day. I was like, what? I was just, you know, it was funny that you bringing him know, it was funny that you bringing him know, it was funny that you bringing him up. So funny you brought him up cuz I up. So funny you brought him up cuz I up. So funny you brought him up cuz I actually haven't he I mean he's so uh actually haven't he I mean he's so uh actually haven't he I mean he's so uh the algorithm does not like him. You the algorithm does not like him. You the algorithm does not like him. You know what I'm saying? Like cuz he's know what I'm saying? Like cuz he's know what I'm saying? Like cuz he's definitely the ultimate controversial definitely the ultimate controversial definitely the ultimate controversial like like like &gt;&gt; anti-establishment everything guy. And I &gt;&gt; anti-establishment everything guy. And I &gt;&gt; anti-establishment everything guy. And I actually was like, you know what? I he actually was like, you know what? I he actually was like, you know what? I he hasn't popped in my feed forever. hasn't popped in my feed forever. hasn't popped in my feed forever. &gt;&gt; You have to look him up. I I had to look &gt;&gt; You have to look him up. I I had to look &gt;&gt; You have to look him up. I I had to look him up because I wanted to see what he's him up because I wanted to see what he's him up because I wanted to see what he's been up to and I'm like, man, all this been up to and I'm like, man, all this been up to and I'm like, man, all this crazy Epstein stuff. I wonder if I was crazy Epstein stuff. I wonder if I was crazy Epstein stuff. I wonder if I was like so curious like what has Paul got like so curious like what has Paul got like so curious like what has Paul got to say, right? Like I could I wanted to to say, right? Like I could I wanted to to say, right? Like I could I wanted to and actually and actually and actually &gt;&gt; That's a good call. &gt;&gt; That's a good call. &gt;&gt; That's a good call. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. I was like, dude, he's got &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. I was like, dude, he's got &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. I was like, dude, he's got to be love to hear it down. to be love to hear it down. to be love to hear it down. &gt;&gt; But I actually was surprised to see he &gt;&gt; But I actually was surprised to see he &gt;&gt; But I actually was surprised to see he hasn't uh been addressing this. hasn't uh been addressing this. hasn't uh been addressing this. &gt;&gt; Dude, you know, it's funny. So, &gt;&gt; Dude, you know, it's funny. So, &gt;&gt; Dude, you know, it's funny. So, &gt;&gt; but maybe because if you know Paul, &gt;&gt; but maybe because if you know Paul, &gt;&gt; but maybe because if you know Paul, Paul's like, this is old news. I knew Paul's like, this is old news. I knew Paul's like, this is old news. I knew this. Yeah, you could have asked me. this. Yeah, you could have asked me. this. Yeah, you could have asked me. Yeah. 70s and 80s. I could have told you Yeah. 70s and 80s. I could have told you Yeah. 70s and 80s. I could have told you about Dude, you know my favorite my about Dude, you know my favorite my about Dude, you know my favorite my favorite flex that anybody's ever tried favorite flex that anybody's ever tried favorite flex that anybody's ever tried to do on us with Paul. When we first met to do on us with Paul. When we first met to do on us with Paul. When we first met him, him, him, &gt;&gt; it's and it's such a like let me &gt;&gt; it's and it's such a like let me &gt;&gt; it's and it's such a like let me establish myself real quick to you guys. establish myself real quick to you guys. establish myself real quick to you guys. We show up to his house to interview him We show up to his house to interview him We show up to his house to interview him years ago. This is like seven years ago, years ago. This is like seven years ago, years ago. This is like seven years ago, eight years ago maybe. eight years ago maybe. eight years ago maybe. &gt;&gt; We fly to interview this guy. Paul &gt;&gt; We fly to interview this guy. Paul &gt;&gt; We fly to interview this guy. Paul answers the door, brings us outside, and answers the door, brings us outside, and answers the door, brings us outside, and then just takes out his wang and takes a then just takes out his wang and takes a then just takes out his wang and takes a piss right in front of us right outside. piss right in front of us right outside. piss right in front of us right outside. &gt;&gt; Like, hey, mid conversation. Yeah, like &gt;&gt; Like, hey, mid conversation. Yeah, like &gt;&gt; Like, hey, mid conversation. Yeah, like I believe he's hiding. I don't think he I believe he's hiding. I don't think he I believe he's hiding. I don't think he broke conversation. I believe he was broke conversation. I believe he was broke conversation. I believe he was still still still &gt;&gt; He's not trying to hide or anything. &gt;&gt; He's not trying to hide or anything. &gt;&gt; He's not trying to hide or anything. &gt;&gt; Yeah, he's watering the police. &gt;&gt; Yeah, he's watering the police. &gt;&gt; Yeah, he's watering the police. &gt;&gt; And I know what he's doing. He's like, &gt;&gt; And I know what he's doing. He's like, &gt;&gt; And I know what he's doing. He's like, "All right, you guys. Let's see if you "All right, you guys. Let's see if you "All right, you guys. Let's see if you guys flinch. Let's see what's going on guys flinch. Let's see what's going on guys flinch. Let's see what's going on here." Like, "Okay, this is what it's here." Like, "Okay, this is what it's here." Like, "Okay, this is what it's going to be like." going to be like." going to be like." &gt;&gt; Oh, dude. I You know, &gt;&gt; Oh, dude. I You know, &gt;&gt; Oh, dude. I You know, &gt;&gt; Justin, you should have went up to You &gt;&gt; Justin, you should have went up to You &gt;&gt; Justin, you should have went up to You should have went up to right there. should have went up to right there. should have went up to right there. &gt;&gt; You're right next to him. &gt;&gt; You're right next to him. &gt;&gt; You're right next to him. &gt;&gt; Slap him in the butt. &gt;&gt; Slap him in the butt. &gt;&gt; Slap him in the butt. &gt;&gt; If Justin pooped his &gt;&gt; If Justin pooped his &gt;&gt; If Justin pooped his bury it real quick. bury it real quick. bury it real quick. &gt;&gt; Hey, and Noy Paul would have been like, &gt;&gt; Hey, and Noy Paul would have been like, &gt;&gt; Hey, and Noy Paul would have been like, &gt;&gt; "Nice. &gt;&gt; "Nice. &gt;&gt; "Nice. I like your style. I like your style. I like your style. &gt;&gt; You had you some banana leaves. &gt;&gt; You had you some banana leaves. &gt;&gt; You had you some banana leaves. &gt;&gt; Here, wipe. Let me wipe you. &gt;&gt; Here, wipe. Let me wipe you. &gt;&gt; Here, wipe. Let me wipe you. &gt;&gt; Yeah, you would have taught me how to &gt;&gt; Yeah, you would have taught me how to &gt;&gt; Yeah, you would have taught me how to remote. remote. remote. &gt;&gt; Who else has done like when &gt;&gt; Who else has done like when &gt;&gt; Who else has done like when &gt;&gt; Ben Ben flexed on us? &gt;&gt; Ben Ben flexed on us? &gt;&gt; Ben Ben flexed on us? &gt;&gt; Ben did, too. Yeah. Let's go grab some &gt;&gt; Ben did, too. Yeah. Let's go grab some &gt;&gt; Ben did, too. Yeah. Let's go grab some bales of hay. bales of hay. bales of hay. &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. We show up. We used to help &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. We show up. We used to help &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. We show up. We used to help the work of chores in the snow. the work of chores in the snow. the work of chores in the snow. &gt;&gt; Has anybody else done that? Has anybody &gt;&gt; Has anybody else done that? Has anybody &gt;&gt; Has anybody else done that? Has anybody else has anyone else gave us like weird else has anyone else gave us like weird else has anyone else gave us like weird We've had weird hand We've had the We've had weird hand We've had the We've had weird hand We've had the aggressive handshakes. aggressive handshakes. aggressive handshakes. &gt;&gt; Well, I mean, Marbell shrug tried to, &gt;&gt; Well, I mean, Marbell shrug tried to, &gt;&gt; Well, I mean, Marbell shrug tried to, you know. you know. you know. &gt;&gt; Yeah. But then there's the insecure &gt;&gt; Yeah. But then there's the insecure &gt;&gt; Yeah. But then there's the insecure flexes which was flexes which was flexes which was &gt;&gt; that was or the uh Aubrey Marcus Aubrey &gt;&gt; that was or the uh Aubrey Marcus Aubrey &gt;&gt; that was or the uh Aubrey Marcus Aubrey with the handshake miss with the handshake miss with the handshake miss wasn't just once dude. It was like three wasn't just once dude. It was like three wasn't just once dude. It was like three times and it like and I wasn't like times and it like and I wasn't like times and it like and I wasn't like &gt;&gt; miss hands &gt;&gt; miss hands &gt;&gt; miss hands &gt;&gt; and I even like waited you know like the &gt;&gt; and I even like waited you know like the &gt;&gt; and I even like waited you know like the second time cuz I was like maybe I'm second time cuz I was like maybe I'm second time cuz I was like maybe I'm coming in too hot or something and it coming in too hot or something and it coming in too hot or something and it just wasn't working and still like we just wasn't working and still like we just wasn't working and still like we couldn't we just couldn't. couldn't we just couldn't. couldn't we just couldn't. &gt;&gt; Did he like hit the back of his handy? &gt;&gt; Did he like hit the back of his handy? &gt;&gt; Did he like hit the back of his handy? How did he do that? I've never missed How did he do that? I've never missed How did he do that? I've never missed like that. forearm and I'm like, "Dude, like that. forearm and I'm like, "Dude, like that. forearm and I'm like, "Dude, are we going to do the bro?" You know, are we going to do the bro?" You know, are we going to do the bro?" You know, the one where you just grab like the one where you just grab like the one where you just grab like forearms. forearms. forearms. Lewis House had the uh he hugged me and Lewis House had the uh he hugged me and Lewis House had the uh he hugged me and rubbed my chest. rubbed my chest. rubbed my chest. &gt;&gt; Oh, yeah. He hugged me in a little &gt;&gt; Oh, yeah. He hugged me in a little &gt;&gt; Oh, yeah. He hugged me in a little circle. circle. circle. &gt;&gt; Put his arm around put his arm. The &gt;&gt; Put his arm around put his arm. The &gt;&gt; Put his arm around put his arm. The first time we ever met, we walked in his first time we ever met, we walked in his first time we ever met, we walked in his his apartment. his apartment. his apartment. &gt;&gt; Vic Vick's vapor rub. &gt;&gt; Vic Vick's vapor rub. &gt;&gt; Vic Vick's vapor rub. &gt;&gt; Yeah. The first time we ever met, we &gt;&gt; Yeah. The first time we ever met, we &gt;&gt; Yeah. The first time we ever met, we walked in his apartment and he put his walked in his apartment and he put his walked in his apartment and he put his he put his arm around my my low back and he put his arm around my my low back and he put his arm around my my low back and then rub rub my chest. then rub rub my chest. then rub rub my chest. &gt;&gt; That's a little weird, dude. That's a &gt;&gt; That's a little weird, dude. That's a &gt;&gt; That's a little weird, dude. That's a little weird, bro. Playing a little gay little weird, bro. Playing a little gay little weird, bro. Playing a little gay chicken there. And then uh who's our our chicken there. And then uh who's our our chicken there. And then uh who's our our good buddy? Uh good buddy? Uh good buddy? Uh &gt;&gt; you first. You first. &gt;&gt; you first. You first. &gt;&gt; you first. You first. &gt;&gt; Oh my god. My the uh uh UFC fighter. &gt;&gt; Oh my god. My the uh uh UFC fighter. &gt;&gt; Oh my god. My the uh uh UFC fighter. &gt;&gt; Oh, Kyle Kingsbury. &gt;&gt; Oh, Kyle Kingsbury. &gt;&gt; Oh, Kyle Kingsbury. &gt;&gt; Yeah, Kyle. &gt;&gt; Yeah, Kyle. &gt;&gt; Yeah, Kyle. &gt;&gt; Oh, that's too far, dude. &gt;&gt; Oh, that's too far, dude. &gt;&gt; Oh, that's too far, dude. &gt;&gt; Kyle, &gt;&gt; Kyle, &gt;&gt; Kyle, &gt;&gt; I I would never be That's too far. &gt;&gt; I I would never be That's too far. &gt;&gt; I I would never be That's too far. &gt;&gt; Kyle did a low back one on me. &gt;&gt; Kyle did a low back one on me. &gt;&gt; Kyle did a low back one on me. &gt;&gt; He did a He did a little rush. Little &gt;&gt; He did a He did a little rush. Little &gt;&gt; He did a He did a little rush. Little rub rub rub walking around walking around walking around &gt;&gt; cuz he could never scared like that &gt;&gt; cuz he could never scared like that &gt;&gt; cuz he could never scared like that before. before. before. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Justin and I couldn't stop him. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Justin and I couldn't stop him. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Justin and I couldn't stop him. &gt;&gt; We'd have to call the cops. &gt;&gt; We'd have to call the cops. &gt;&gt; We'd have to call the cops. &gt;&gt; We were getting hyped up. We're like, &gt;&gt; We were getting hyped up. We're like, &gt;&gt; We were getting hyped up. We're like, "Yeah, "Yeah, "Yeah, &gt;&gt; our boy's in trouble. We're in trouble." &gt;&gt; our boy's in trouble. We're in trouble." &gt;&gt; our boy's in trouble. We're in trouble." &gt;&gt; If he goes after Adam, &gt;&gt; If he goes after Adam, &gt;&gt; If he goes after Adam, &gt;&gt; any other any other any other any other &gt;&gt; any other any other any other any other &gt;&gt; any other any other any other any other weird encounters or like first weird encounters or like first weird encounters or like first &gt;&gt; We had a couple where who was it that we &gt;&gt; We had a couple where who was it that we &gt;&gt; We had a couple where who was it that we had? What's the dude? He's kind of a big had? What's the dude? He's kind of a big had? What's the dude? He's kind of a big guy. We interviewed him and he he had a guy. We interviewed him and he he had a guy. We interviewed him and he he had a personality on the podcast that personality on the podcast that personality on the podcast that &gt;&gt; Oh, Ellie. &gt;&gt; Oh, Ellie. &gt;&gt; Oh, Ellie. &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. It was weird. Like suddenly &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. It was weird. Like suddenly &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. It was weird. Like suddenly he's like, he's like, he's like, &gt;&gt; "I am this guy and I will talk this." &gt;&gt; "I am this guy and I will talk this." &gt;&gt; "I am this guy and I will talk this." We're like, "Whoa, dude. That's not We're like, "Whoa, dude. That's not We're like, "Whoa, dude. That's not delivery. What's happening right now?" delivery. What's happening right now?" delivery. What's happening right now?" &gt;&gt; Yeah, we were turned off by that right &gt;&gt; Yeah, we were turned off by that right &gt;&gt; Yeah, we were turned off by that right away. That's what we we never hit it away. That's what we we never hit it away. That's what we we never hit it off. We never communicated after that. off. We never communicated after that. off. We never communicated after that. Rarely there's it's rare that we we meet Rarely there's it's rare that we we meet Rarely there's it's rare that we we meet somebody and then we just like that'll somebody and then we just like that'll somebody and then we just like that'll be last. be last. be last. &gt;&gt; There's so many weirdos, dude. &gt;&gt; There's so many weirdos, dude. &gt;&gt; There's so many weirdos, dude. &gt;&gt; People don't understand that, you know? &gt;&gt; People don't understand that, you know? &gt;&gt; People don't understand that, you know? They just see them in their videos. They just see them in their videos. They just see them in their videos. &gt;&gt; Remember, hey, remember the first time I &gt;&gt; Remember, hey, remember the first time I &gt;&gt; Remember, hey, remember the first time I took uh we went I took us to uh I had took uh we went I took us to uh I had took uh we went I took us to uh I had the the suite and we went to uh the the the suite and we went to uh the the the suite and we went to uh the concert after we interviewed Aaron concert after we interviewed Aaron concert after we interviewed Aaron Alexander and remember he took his shoes Alexander and remember he took his shoes Alexander and remember he took his shoes off in the suite and he started doing off in the suite and he started doing off in the suite and he started doing stretches stretches stretches &gt;&gt; doing like monkey walks. &gt;&gt; doing like monkey walks. &gt;&gt; doing like monkey walks. &gt;&gt; Yeah. We got this suite out there, &gt;&gt; Yeah. We got this suite out there, &gt;&gt; Yeah. We got this suite out there, right? There's like executives and right? There's like executives and right? There's like executives and people in there and whole boy just takes people in there and whole boy just takes people in there and whole boy just takes his shoes off and he's got starts doing his shoes off and he's got starts doing his shoes off and he's got starts doing like he's a nice guy. like he's a nice guy. like he's a nice guy. &gt;&gt; Oh, no. I love it. I really like the &gt;&gt; Oh, no. I love it. I really like the &gt;&gt; Oh, no. I love it. I really like the guy, but he's so out there. guy, but he's so out there. guy, but he's so out there. &gt;&gt; But he's he definitely got that. There's &gt;&gt; But he's he definitely got that. There's &gt;&gt; But he's he definitely got that. There's no like this is like all due respect, no like this is like all due respect, no like this is like all due respect, it's no offense, but that hippie smell, it's no offense, but that hippie smell, it's no offense, but that hippie smell, you know what I mean? He's a non you know what I mean? He's a non you know what I mean? He's a non deodorant guy. deodorant guy. deodorant guy. &gt;&gt; Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, &gt;&gt; Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, &gt;&gt; Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, there's a little earthy earthy. oh, there's a little earthy earthy. oh, there's a little earthy earthy. &gt;&gt; I remember he was the first time he came &gt;&gt; I remember he was the first time he came &gt;&gt; I remember he was the first time he came to he was like climbing on all the all to he was like climbing on all the all to he was like climbing on all the all the he climbed up on top squat rack. the he climbed up on top squat rack. the he climbed up on top squat rack. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like why are you up Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like why are you up Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like why are you up there? there? there? &gt;&gt; That's like first time meeting. So &gt;&gt; That's like first time meeting. So &gt;&gt; That's like first time meeting. So that's what I'm talking about. that's what I'm talking about. that's what I'm talking about. &gt;&gt; He's talking to us, but he decided &gt;&gt; He's talking to us, but he decided &gt;&gt; He's talking to us, but he decided &gt;&gt; Do you want an apple or something? &gt;&gt; Do you want an apple or something? &gt;&gt; Do you want an apple or something? &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; That was like Ben at dinner. Bitter at &gt;&gt; That was like Ben at dinner. Bitter at &gt;&gt; That was like Ben at dinner. Bitter at dinner. Sit. dinner. Sit. dinner. Sit. &gt;&gt; Well, yeah. He sat perched like a &gt;&gt; Well, yeah. He sat perched like a &gt;&gt; Well, yeah. He sat perched like a vulture vulture vulture &gt;&gt; like not sitting in his chair, but &gt;&gt; like not sitting in his chair, but &gt;&gt; like not sitting in his chair, but standing and squatting in his chair and standing and squatting in his chair and standing and squatting in his chair and like leaning over with this massive blue like leaning over with this massive blue like leaning over with this massive blue blockers on. He's got massive hands kind blockers on. He's got massive hands kind blockers on. He's got massive hands kind of leaning like this while he's talking of leaning like this while he's talking of leaning like this while he's talking to us. Remember he threw that sciency to us. Remember he threw that sciency to us. Remember he threw that sciency question at you, Adam? question at you, Adam? question at you, Adam? &gt;&gt; Right out the gates as soon as the &gt;&gt; Right out the gates as soon as the &gt;&gt; Right out the gates as soon as the podcast turned on. podcast turned on. podcast turned on. &gt;&gt; Yeah. As soon as it turned on, he looked &gt;&gt; Yeah. As soon as it turned on, he looked &gt;&gt; Yeah. As soon as it turned on, he looked at the the broiest looking one of us. at the the broiest looking one of us. at the the broiest looking one of us. He's like, "Oh, so Adam, what do you He's like, "Oh, so Adam, what do you He's like, "Oh, so Adam, what do you think about Remember what he said?" think about Remember what he said?" think about Remember what he said?" &gt;&gt; You know what? He was talking about &gt;&gt; You know what? He was talking about &gt;&gt; You know what? He was talking about Sarm. Sarm. Sarm. &gt;&gt; That's right. And of course, Adam looked &gt;&gt; That's right. And of course, Adam looked &gt;&gt; That's right. And of course, Adam looked at me. He's like, "I brought my S with at me. He's like, "I brought my S with at me. He's like, "I brought my S with me. me. me. &gt;&gt; I brought Go ahead, S. &gt;&gt; I brought Go ahead, S. &gt;&gt; I brought Go ahead, S. &gt;&gt; I brought my own. You obviously don't &gt;&gt; I brought my own. You obviously don't &gt;&gt; I brought my own. You obviously don't have my own have my own have my own &gt;&gt; science, dude. So, we were just We were &gt;&gt; science, dude. So, we were just We were &gt;&gt; science, dude. So, we were just We were just at somewhere like that. Somebody I just at somewhere like that. Somebody I just at somewhere like that. Somebody I forget where we're at and somebody forget where we're at and somebody forget where we're at and somebody started to ask me something like, you started to ask me something like, you started to ask me something like, you know, I listen to the podcast. That's know, I listen to the podcast. That's know, I listen to the podcast. That's not me. That's a question." Well, it's not me. That's a question." Well, it's not me. That's a question." Well, it's like when I get really deep business like when I get really deep business like when I get really deep business questions, tell us we're going to questions, tell us we're going to questions, tell us we're going to interview S about your business and the interview S about your business and the interview S about your business and the analytics. I'm like, "Oh, stop right analytics. I'm like, "Oh, stop right analytics. I'm like, "Oh, stop right there. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I want to there. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I want to there. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I want to interview Adam." interview Adam." interview Adam." &gt;&gt; Somebody was interviewing me. They sent &gt;&gt; Somebody was interviewing me. They sent &gt;&gt; Somebody was interviewing me. They sent me over the list of questions. Like, I'm me over the list of questions. Like, I'm me over the list of questions. Like, I'm not going to answer these. not going to answer these. not going to answer these. &gt;&gt; You got the wrong host. &gt;&gt; You got the wrong host. &gt;&gt; You got the wrong host. &gt;&gt; Katrina was like, "You could answer &gt;&gt; Katrina was like, "You could answer &gt;&gt; Katrina was like, "You could answer those." I'm like, "It doesn't matter. I those." I'm like, "It doesn't matter. I those." I'm like, "It doesn't matter. I could." It's like, "I have someone could." It's like, "I have someone could." It's like, "I have someone better for that." You know what I'm better for that." You know what I'm better for that." You know what I'm saying? It's like It's not a matter of saying? It's like It's not a matter of saying? It's like It's not a matter of if I could or not. I'm not That's not my if I could or not. I'm not That's not my if I could or not. I'm not That's not my forte. You know what I'm saying? Ask the forte. You know what I'm saying? Ask the forte. You know what I'm saying? Ask the science guy. That's science guy. That's science guy. That's &gt;&gt; tough. I got I got to share you guys a &gt;&gt; tough. I got I got to share you guys a &gt;&gt; tough. I got I got to share you guys a cool story about So you guys know how my cool story about So you guys know how my cool story about So you guys know how my niece uh Jessica's niece now has moved niece uh Jessica's niece now has moved niece uh Jessica's niece now has moved in. She's now lived with us for a little in. She's now lived with us for a little in. She's now lived with us for a little while now. while now. while now. &gt;&gt; She's going to school up here. &gt;&gt; She's going to school up here. &gt;&gt; She's going to school up here. &gt;&gt; So such a great I love uh I love seeing &gt;&gt; So such a great I love uh I love seeing &gt;&gt; So such a great I love uh I love seeing uh when people are growthminded and all uh when people are growthminded and all uh when people are growthminded and all that stuff. So she's a big soda drinker. that stuff. So she's a big soda drinker. that stuff. So she's a big soda drinker. Big soda drinker like a lot of kids. Big soda drinker like a lot of kids. Big soda drinker like a lot of kids. &gt;&gt; Uh Jessica grew up like this. Just in &gt;&gt; Uh Jessica grew up like this. Just in &gt;&gt; Uh Jessica grew up like this. Just in fact my wife will tell you she didn't fact my wife will tell you she didn't fact my wife will tell you she didn't drink water till she was like 21. That's drink water till she was like 21. That's drink water till she was like 21. That's all she drank was soda. So she loved Dr. all she drank was soda. So she loved Dr. all she drank was soda. So she loved Dr. Pepper and drank it all the time. Well, Pepper and drank it all the time. Well, Pepper and drank it all the time. Well, she started working out. I started she started working out. I started she started working out. I started training her with my daughter. They're training her with my daughter. They're training her with my daughter. They're getting into working out. They're getting into working out. They're getting into working out. They're getting into trying to get strong. I'm getting into trying to get strong. I'm getting into trying to get strong. I'm not pushing it. We're not trying to push not pushing it. We're not trying to push not pushing it. We're not trying to push it. it. it. &gt;&gt; And I came home the other day and she's &gt;&gt; And I came home the other day and she's &gt;&gt; And I came home the other day and she's like, "I'm so mad." I'm like, "What's like, "I'm so mad." I'm like, "What's like, "I'm so mad." I'm like, "What's going on?" She's like, "Did you know Dr. going on?" She's like, "Did you know Dr. going on?" She's like, "Did you know Dr. Pepper has this many grams of sugar in Pepper has this many grams of sugar in Pepper has this many grams of sugar in it?" Like, "Yeah, yeah, I kind of did." it?" Like, "Yeah, yeah, I kind of did." it?" Like, "Yeah, yeah, I kind of did." She's like, "That's a lot. I'm not She's like, "That's a lot. I'm not She's like, "That's a lot. I'm not drinking those anymore." So, she cut out drinking those anymore." So, she cut out drinking those anymore." So, she cut out her Dr. Pepper. So, which she's her Dr. Pepper. So, which she's her Dr. Pepper. So, which she's &gt;&gt; which is a great I mean for a kid this &gt;&gt; which is a great I mean for a kid this &gt;&gt; which is a great I mean for a kid this is a big deal for her. is a big deal for her. is a big deal for her. &gt;&gt; No, it's hard to do. &gt;&gt; No, it's hard to do. &gt;&gt; No, it's hard to do. &gt;&gt; And she's replaced it with lollipop. &gt;&gt; And she's replaced it with lollipop. &gt;&gt; And she's replaced it with lollipop. &gt;&gt; Oh, bro. That &gt;&gt; Oh, bro. That &gt;&gt; Oh, bro. That &gt;&gt; that's I I love that we work we're &gt;&gt; that's I I love that we work we're &gt;&gt; that's I I love that we work we're working with working with working with &gt;&gt; cuz she likes soda. She likes soda. &gt;&gt; cuz she likes soda. She likes soda. &gt;&gt; cuz she likes soda. She likes soda. &gt;&gt; I I &gt;&gt; I I &gt;&gt; I I &gt;&gt; She likes the taste. &gt;&gt; She likes the taste. &gt;&gt; She likes the taste. &gt;&gt; Anyone Anyone that's been listening long &gt;&gt; Anyone Anyone that's been listening long &gt;&gt; Anyone Anyone that's been listening long enough knows that I've always talked enough knows that I've always talked enough knows that I've always talked about my soda addiction and my sugar about my soda addiction and my sugar about my soda addiction and my sugar addiction. You grew up like that? addiction. You grew up like that? addiction. You grew up like that? &gt;&gt; Yes. Grew up like that 100%. And and &gt;&gt; Yes. Grew up like that 100%. And and &gt;&gt; Yes. Grew up like that 100%. And and even as a young adult, it's been it's in even as a young adult, it's been it's in even as a young adult, it's been it's in and out of my life all the time. And and out of my life all the time. And and out of my life all the time. And lollipop has always been something that lollipop has always been something that lollipop has always been something that I keep around the house that it's like I keep around the house that it's like I keep around the house that it's like and just like anything else. We talk and just like anything else. We talk and just like anything else. We talk about I talk about this with caffeine, about I talk about this with caffeine, about I talk about this with caffeine, with marijuana, all these different with marijuana, all these different with marijuana, all these different things that I will notice like, okay, things that I will notice like, okay, things that I will notice like, okay, I'm starting to drink a lot of these I'm starting to drink a lot of these I'm starting to drink a lot of these diet sodas. Like lollipop is like the diet sodas. Like lollipop is like the diet sodas. Like lollipop is like the go-to move that I feel like I still get go-to move that I feel like I still get go-to move that I feel like I still get that mouth feel. It tastes still sweet. that mouth feel. It tastes still sweet. that mouth feel. It tastes still sweet. It tastes good, but so much better for It tastes good, but so much better for It tastes good, but so much better for you. you. you. &gt;&gt; It's like almost no sugar. Yeah. Like &gt;&gt; It's like almost no sugar. Yeah. Like &gt;&gt; It's like almost no sugar. Yeah. Like super low carb. super low carb. super low carb. &gt;&gt; And I think they have Don't they And &gt;&gt; And I think they have Don't they And &gt;&gt; And I think they have Don't they And maybe you can look this up. Do they have maybe you can look this up. Do they have maybe you can look this up. Do they have a Dr. Pepper flavor? I think they do a Dr. Pepper flavor? I think they do a Dr. Pepper flavor? I think they do have what they call have what they call have what they call &gt;&gt; I know they have a I know they have like &gt;&gt; I know they have a I know they have like &gt;&gt; I know they have a I know they have like a like a root beer one. I know they have a like a root beer one. I know they have a like a root beer one. I know they have a cream soda one. I think they do have a a cream soda one. I think they do have a a cream soda one. I think they do have a &gt;&gt; I like their Shirley Temple. &gt;&gt; I like their Shirley Temple. &gt;&gt; I like their Shirley Temple. &gt;&gt; The Shirley Temple one's the new one &gt;&gt; The Shirley Temple one's the new one &gt;&gt; The Shirley Temple one's the new one new. new. new. &gt;&gt; It's delicious. &gt;&gt; It's delicious. &gt;&gt; It's delicious. &gt;&gt; See if they have Do you know if they &gt;&gt; See if they have Do you know if they &gt;&gt; See if they have Do you know if they have one? have one? have one? &gt;&gt; Yeah, they call it Dr. Goodwin. &gt;&gt; Yeah, they call it Dr. Goodwin. &gt;&gt; Yeah, they call it Dr. Goodwin. &gt;&gt; See, &gt;&gt; See, &gt;&gt; See, &gt;&gt; they got a Dr. Dr. Pepper one. So that's &gt;&gt; they got a Dr. Dr. Pepper one. So that's &gt;&gt; they got a Dr. Dr. Pepper one. So that's cool. cool. cool. &gt;&gt; You'll have to get her using trying that &gt;&gt; You'll have to get her using trying that &gt;&gt; You'll have to get her using trying that one. one. one. &gt;&gt; By the way, she just got a job and it's &gt;&gt; By the way, she just got a job and it's &gt;&gt; By the way, she just got a job and it's the best. the best. the best. &gt;&gt; Did she get Did she get the front desk &gt;&gt; Did she get Did she get the front desk &gt;&gt; Did she get Did she get the front desk job job job &gt;&gt; at the gym? &gt;&gt; at the gym? &gt;&gt; at the gym? &gt;&gt; She did. &gt;&gt; She did. &gt;&gt; She did. &gt;&gt; At the gym. &gt;&gt; At the gym. &gt;&gt; At the gym. &gt;&gt; Okay. So tell me that tell me you didn't &gt;&gt; Okay. So tell me that tell me you didn't &gt;&gt; Okay. So tell me that tell me you didn't tell me. Okay. Well, the last time we tell me. Okay. Well, the last time we tell me. Okay. Well, the last time we talked talked talked &gt;&gt; Oh, I told you about Yeah. You were &gt;&gt; Oh, I told you about Yeah. You were &gt;&gt; Oh, I told you about Yeah. You were getting ready for the interview. And getting ready for the interview. And getting ready for the interview. And &gt;&gt; so she's so great, right? Because she's &gt;&gt; so she's so great, right? Because she's &gt;&gt; so she's so great, right? Because she's one thing about her, she's she's very one thing about her, she's she's very one thing about her, she's she's very shy, shy, shy, &gt;&gt; but she's also very growthminded. And I &gt;&gt; but she's also very growthminded. And I &gt;&gt; but she's also very growthminded. And I keep I I always remind her how growth keep I I always remind her how growth keep I I always remind her how growth minded she is because I think it's minded she is because I think it's minded she is because I think it's important that you tell people, but important that you tell people, but important that you tell people, but especially kids, that you remind them of especially kids, that you remind them of especially kids, that you remind them of their strengths because, yeah, I their strengths because, yeah, I their strengths because, yeah, I remember what it was like to be a remember what it was like to be a remember what it was like to be a teenager and you could feel a little teenager and you could feel a little teenager and you could feel a little insecure. insecure. insecure. &gt;&gt; And she is. She's very growth minded. &gt;&gt; And she is. She's very growth minded. &gt;&gt; And she is. She's very growth minded. Something's really difficult for her. Something's really difficult for her. Something's really difficult for her. She'll do it anyway. Still be She'll do it anyway. Still be She'll do it anyway. Still be challenged, but she chooses to do it. challenged, but she chooses to do it. challenged, but she chooses to do it. And so I I love telling her that, but And so I I love telling her that, but And so I I love telling her that, but she is very shy and she's also very she is very shy and she's also very she is very shy and she's also very soft-spoken. And I have a connection at soft-spoken. And I have a connection at soft-spoken. And I have a connection at UFC gym. You guys know my buddy Don uh UFC gym. You guys know my buddy Don uh UFC gym. You guys know my buddy Don uh runs the place. And the gym environment runs the place. And the gym environment runs the place. And the gym environment is just a great environment to be in, is just a great environment to be in, is just a great environment to be in, especially if you're if you're shy and especially if you're if you're shy and especially if you're if you're shy and you want to you want to you want to have you want to you want to you want to have you want to you want to you want to have to learn how to talk to people. to learn how to talk to people. to learn how to talk to people. &gt;&gt; What took me out of my show, man. &gt;&gt; What took me out of my show, man. &gt;&gt; What took me out of my show, man. &gt;&gt; It's the best it's the best environment. &gt;&gt; It's the best it's the best environment. &gt;&gt; It's the best it's the best environment. It's like tons of people. There's music. It's like tons of people. There's music. It's like tons of people. There's music. It's a healthy environment. Energy. So, It's a healthy environment. Energy. So, It's a healthy environment. Energy. So, so we I got to tell you guys the the so we I got to tell you guys the the so we I got to tell you guys the the interview that I practiced with her interview that I practiced with her interview that I practiced with her because I don't know if I said this on because I don't know if I said this on because I don't know if I said this on the show. So, I sat down with her the show. So, I sat down with her the show. So, I sat down with her because she was going to get because she was going to get because she was going to get interviewed. I'm like, "All right, let's interviewed. I'm like, "All right, let's interviewed. I'm like, "All right, let's practice like when you when you know you practice like when you when you know you practice like when you when you know you do an interview." So, we practiced the do an interview." So, we practiced the do an interview." So, we practiced the handshake sitting down. And so, I'm handshake sitting down. And so, I'm handshake sitting down. And so, I'm like, "So, uh so why do you want to work like, "So, uh so why do you want to work like, "So, uh so why do you want to work here?" And she's like, "Uh, I think here?" And she's like, "Uh, I think here?" And she's like, "Uh, I think it'll it'll it'll help me strengthen and it'll it'll it'll help me strengthen and it'll it'll it'll help me strengthen and help me work on my social skills." I'm help me work on my social skills." I'm help me work on my social skills." I'm like, "Okay, that's good, but I don't like, "Okay, that's good, but I don't like, "Okay, that's good, but I don't think you should share that. Let's not think you should share that. Let's not think you should share that. Let's not &gt;&gt; first. Don't tell them you need help &gt;&gt; first. Don't tell them you need help &gt;&gt; first. Don't tell them you need help when you don't open don't let's not open when you don't open don't let's not open when you don't open don't let's not open with that. with that. with that. But they she got the job. She loves But they she got the job. She loves But they she got the job. She loves &gt;&gt; When did she start? Where'd she start? &gt;&gt; When did she start? Where'd she start? &gt;&gt; When did she start? Where'd she start? &gt;&gt; She's starting uh I think tomorrow. &gt;&gt; She's starting uh I think tomorrow. &gt;&gt; She's starting uh I think tomorrow. &gt;&gt; Oh, I'm excited. You have to keep us &gt;&gt; Oh, I'm excited. You have to keep us &gt;&gt; Oh, I'm excited. You have to keep us updated on the journey for updated on the journey for updated on the journey for &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. I'm psyched. Oh, she's going &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. I'm psyched. Oh, she's going &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. I'm psyched. Oh, she's going to grow so much. to grow so much. to grow so much. &gt;&gt; You know what you just said that makes I &gt;&gt; You know what you just said that makes I &gt;&gt; You know what you just said that makes I I was just thinking about something. You I was just thinking about something. You I was just thinking about something. You just said something that I thought is just said something that I thought is just said something that I thought is interesting that is it has to be interesting that is it has to be interesting that is it has to be somewhat true if not really true. Um somewhat true if not really true. Um somewhat true if not really true. Um when you go to the gym, even if like you when you go to the gym, even if like you when you go to the gym, even if like you had a bad day and you've motivated had a bad day and you've motivated had a bad day and you've motivated yourself or you've told I'm going and yourself or you've told I'm going and yourself or you've told I'm going and you go Yeah. you had to switch your you go Yeah. you had to switch your you go Yeah. you had to switch your mindset to do that like you you know mindset to do that like you you know mindset to do that like you you know what I today sucks I don't feel good I what I today sucks I don't feel good I what I today sucks I don't feel good I had a bad day at work I'm going to the had a bad day at work I'm going to the had a bad day at work I'm going to the gym so you've already reframe or gym so you've already reframe or gym so you've already reframe or otherwise you you chalk it up be f the otherwise you you chalk it up be f the otherwise you you chalk it up be f the day and you stay home day and you stay home day and you stay home &gt;&gt; so anybody who's in the gym &gt;&gt; so anybody who's in the gym &gt;&gt; so anybody who's in the gym &gt;&gt; has naturally kind of this positive &gt;&gt; has naturally kind of this positive &gt;&gt; has naturally kind of this positive frame that doesn't mean it's impossible frame that doesn't mean it's impossible frame that doesn't mean it's impossible to run into an [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] or run into to run into an [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] or run into to run into an [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] or run into somebody somebody somebody &gt;&gt; it's the best environment &gt;&gt; it's the best environment &gt;&gt; it's the best environment &gt;&gt; but think about that where where else &gt;&gt; but think about that where where else &gt;&gt; but think about that where where else can you get a collection of potentially can you get a collection of potentially can you get a collection of potentially hundred or hundreds of people in one hundred or hundreds of people in one hundred or hundreds of people in one place place place &gt;&gt; where they're to become better, to grow, &gt;&gt; where they're to become better, to grow, &gt;&gt; where they're to become better, to grow, &gt;&gt; right? And so that that there's a &gt;&gt; right? And so that that there's a &gt;&gt; right? And so that that there's a there's a very high likelihood that most there's a very high likelihood that most there's a very high likelihood that most of them are in a really good mindset, of them are in a really good mindset, of them are in a really good mindset, right? Yep. right? Yep. right? Yep. &gt;&gt; Like that's like that's a place where &gt;&gt; Like that's like that's a place where &gt;&gt; Like that's like that's a place where you if you're having that bad of a day, you if you're having that bad of a day, you if you're having that bad of a day, you just don't go. That's right. you just don't go. That's right. you just don't go. That's right. &gt;&gt; You don't go to the gym. Like it's like &gt;&gt; You don't go to the gym. Like it's like &gt;&gt; You don't go to the gym. Like it's like it's a bad day, right? So you you go to it's a bad day, right? So you you go to it's a bad day, right? So you you go to the gym, most people go and even if you the gym, most people go and even if you the gym, most people go and even if you were having a bad day and you go to the were having a bad day and you go to the were having a bad day and you go to the gym, you work through it. You that means gym, you work through it. You that means gym, you work through it. You that means you you made the mental decision that you you made the mental decision that you you made the mental decision that I'm not going to let this day get me. I'm not going to let this day get me. I'm not going to let this day get me. I'm going to go still do this thing. So I'm going to go still do this thing. So I'm going to go still do this thing. So you're already in a in a in a in a you're already in a in a in a in a you're already in a in a in a in a better better better &gt;&gt; Totally. And not only that, listen, &gt;&gt; Totally. And not only that, listen, &gt;&gt; Totally. And not only that, listen, we're we're all we sometimes are a we're we're all we sometimes are a we're we're all we sometimes are a little bit in a bubble because we've all little bit in a bubble because we've all little bit in a bubble because we've all worked in gyms most of our lives or that worked in gyms most of our lives or that worked in gyms most of our lives or that environment. You guys remember what it's environment. You guys remember what it's environment. You guys remember what it's like to work in a non- gym, like a like to work in a non- gym, like a like to work in a non- gym, like a regular work environment. regular work environment. regular work environment. &gt;&gt; It's hard to remember. &gt;&gt; It's hard to remember. &gt;&gt; It's hard to remember. &gt;&gt; It's depressing. Yeah, &gt;&gt; It's depressing. Yeah, &gt;&gt; It's depressing. Yeah, &gt;&gt; it's depressing, dude. Like, you're &gt;&gt; it's depressing, dude. Like, you're &gt;&gt; it's depressing, dude. Like, you're surrounded by people who are working. surrounded by people who are working. surrounded by people who are working. Most of them are not really passionate. Most of them are not really passionate. Most of them are not really passionate. Most people that work in a gym are Most people that work in a gym are Most people that work in a gym are passionate about fitness. So, there's passionate about fitness. So, there's passionate about fitness. So, there's that. Then you got the members coming that. Then you got the members coming that. Then you got the members coming in. They're all choosing to go there to in. They're all choosing to go there to in. They're all choosing to go there to better themselves. You got music in the better themselves. You got music in the better themselves. You got music in the background. It's uplifting. most jobs background. It's uplifting. most jobs background. It's uplifting. most jobs when I worked in the bank cuz I did uh I when I worked in the bank cuz I did uh I when I worked in the bank cuz I did uh I was a premier banker for a little bit was a premier banker for a little bit was a premier banker for a little bit for Bank of America, for Bank of America, for Bank of America, &gt;&gt; man. It's depressing. &gt;&gt; man. It's depressing. &gt;&gt; man. It's depressing. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Nobody wants to be here. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Nobody wants to be here. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Nobody wants to be here. Everybody's coming in. Everybody's coming in. Everybody's coming in. &gt;&gt; Where else could you get that? &gt;&gt; Where else could you get that? &gt;&gt; Where else could you get that? &gt;&gt; Where else could you get that high of a &gt;&gt; Where else could you get that high of a &gt;&gt; Where else could you get that high of a percentage of people that have to be in percentage of people that have to be in percentage of people that have to be in a good mood and and even if they were in a good mood and and even if they were in a good mood and and even if they were in a bad mood, they've already at least a bad mood, they've already at least a bad mood, they've already at least shifted their frame of mind to be in a shifted their frame of mind to be in a shifted their frame of mind to be in a good mood to get into getting in their good mood to get into getting in their good mood to get into getting in their workout. Where else? workout. Where else? workout. Where else? &gt;&gt; I don't know. Hm. &gt;&gt; I don't know. Hm. &gt;&gt; I don't know. Hm. &gt;&gt; A theme park. I mean, maybe. &gt;&gt; A theme park. I mean, maybe. &gt;&gt; A theme park. I mean, maybe. &gt;&gt; I know. Like I'm serious. &gt;&gt; I know. Like I'm serious. &gt;&gt; I know. Like I'm serious. &gt;&gt; Unless you got the people coming at your &gt;&gt; Unless you got the people coming at your &gt;&gt; Unless you got the people coming at your kids mascots. Yeah. kids mascots. Yeah. kids mascots. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. &gt;&gt; I mean, maybe that's why Disneyland's so &gt;&gt; I mean, maybe that's why Disneyland's so &gt;&gt; I mean, maybe that's why Disneyland's so great. I mean, like great. I mean, like great. I mean, like &gt;&gt; although although sometimes you get you &gt;&gt; although although sometimes you get you &gt;&gt; although although sometimes you get you could see on parents faces like I just could see on parents faces like I just could see on parents faces like I just $700. $700. $700. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; So tired my kids. &gt;&gt; So tired my kids. &gt;&gt; So tired my kids. &gt;&gt; Yeah. A lot a lot of times that could be &gt;&gt; Yeah. A lot a lot of times that could be &gt;&gt; Yeah. A lot a lot of times that could be selfless, right? You're there because of selfless, right? You're there because of selfless, right? You're there because of your kid. You don't want to go. And like your kid. You don't want to go. And like your kid. You don't want to go. And like how many how many husbands or whatever how many how many husbands or whatever how many how many husbands or whatever wives have been like I don't want to go. wives have been like I don't want to go. wives have been like I don't want to go. But But But &gt;&gt; it's a great dude. Listen, I I &gt;&gt; it's a great dude. Listen, I I &gt;&gt; it's a great dude. Listen, I I &gt;&gt; I can't think I'm really trying to think &gt;&gt; I can't think I'm really trying to think &gt;&gt; I can't think I'm really trying to think of another job setting or a setting of another job setting or a setting of another job setting or a setting where a 100 plus people would be in one where a 100 plus people would be in one where a 100 plus people would be in one place and you could count on a large place and you could count on a large place and you could count on a large percentage if not all are in a positive percentage if not all are in a positive percentage if not all are in a positive mindset. That's kind of that's kind of mindset. That's kind of that's kind of mindset. That's kind of that's kind of crazy. crazy. crazy. &gt;&gt; I would say volunteer jobs like when &gt;&gt; I would say volunteer jobs like when &gt;&gt; I would say volunteer jobs like when you're volunteering, everybody's there you're volunteering, everybody's there you're volunteering, everybody's there because because because &gt;&gt; that's a really good guess, right? Like &gt;&gt; that's a really good guess, right? Like &gt;&gt; that's a really good guess, right? Like if you were if you're rescue animal if you were if you're rescue animal if you were if you're rescue animal place or something like that, place or something like that, place or something like that, everybody's there. everybody's there. everybody's there. &gt;&gt; You're going to be around people who are &gt;&gt; You're going to be around people who are &gt;&gt; You're going to be around people who are there cuz they really, you know, have there cuz they really, you know, have there cuz they really, you know, have &gt;&gt; Oh, yeah. or like you're going you're &gt;&gt; Oh, yeah. or like you're going you're &gt;&gt; Oh, yeah. or like you're going you're down Mexico building houses or something down Mexico building houses or something down Mexico building houses or something like that like on a mission a mission like that like on a mission a mission like that like on a mission a mission trip or something like really that's trip or something like really that's trip or something like really that's like that that that is maybe like that that that is maybe like that that that is maybe &gt;&gt; Yep. &gt;&gt; Yep. &gt;&gt; Yep. &gt;&gt; the only thing that would probably rival &gt;&gt; the only thing that would probably rival &gt;&gt; the only thing that would probably rival that cuz that's probably even more that cuz that's probably even more that cuz that's probably even more powerful because it's selfless. You're powerful because it's selfless. You're powerful because it's selfless. You're there and you're you know that there and you're you know that there and you're you know that &gt;&gt; and you're not even getting paid, &gt;&gt; and you're not even getting paid, &gt;&gt; and you're not even getting paid, &gt;&gt; right? You know you're doing [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] you &gt;&gt; right? You know you're doing [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] you &gt;&gt; right? You know you're doing [&nbsp;__&nbsp;] you know, like and but you're doing it for know, like and but you're doing it for know, like and but you're doing it for somebody else. Like you have to have a somebody else. Like you have to have a somebody else. Like you have to have a really great mindset. That's probably really great mindset. That's probably really great mindset. That's probably the only thing that would rival it. the only thing that would rival it. the only thing that would rival it. Actually, I can't think of anything Actually, I can't think of anything Actually, I can't think of anything Listen, I tell I was telling my daughter Listen, I tell I was telling my daughter Listen, I tell I was telling my daughter this cuz my daughter's not old enough to this cuz my daughter's not old enough to this cuz my daughter's not old enough to work in the gym. And I'm like, this is work in the gym. And I'm like, this is work in the gym. And I'm like, this is the best first job you could get. Go the best first job you could get. Go the best first job you could get. Go work in the kids club, work the front work in the kids club, work the front work in the kids club, work the front desk. If you want to be a trainer later, desk. If you want to be a trainer later, desk. If you want to be a trainer later, that's really cool. Uh, but it's a great that's really cool. Uh, but it's a great that's really cool. Uh, but it's a great environment. It's not perfect. Every environment. It's not perfect. Every environment. It's not perfect. Every environment is going to have its environment is going to have its environment is going to have its whatever. whatever. whatever. &gt;&gt; Sure, you can have a bad boss, too. &gt;&gt; Sure, you can have a bad boss, too. &gt;&gt; Sure, you can have a bad boss, too. &gt;&gt; But you're going to work. What are you &gt;&gt; But you're going to work. What are you &gt;&gt; But you're going to work. What are you going to work? A retail store at the going to work? A retail store at the going to work? A retail store at the mall. You restaurants are cool, but mall. You restaurants are cool, but mall. You restaurants are cool, but restaurants can be a little I worked in restaurants can be a little I worked in restaurants can be a little I worked in restaurants. They could also be a little restaurants. They could also be a little restaurants. They could also be a little whatever. whatever. whatever. &gt;&gt; I think everybody should work at a &gt;&gt; I think everybody should work at a &gt;&gt; I think everybody should work at a restaurant. It builds charact. It does. restaurant. It builds charact. It does. restaurant. It builds charact. It does. Just like I think everybody should have Just like I think everybody should have Just like I think everybody should have a little bit of entrepreneurial a little bit of entrepreneurial a little bit of entrepreneurial knowledge. Well, mainly to like start a knowledge. Well, mainly to like start a knowledge. Well, mainly to like start a business and what that entails. So, it business and what that entails. So, it business and what that entails. So, it would give you a lot better perspective would give you a lot better perspective would give you a lot better perspective and more balanced. and more balanced. and more balanced. &gt;&gt; Totally. Yeah. Go sell Go sell &gt;&gt; Totally. 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How can we help you? &gt;&gt; Good. How can we help you? &gt;&gt; Good. So, um, I'm just going to go off &gt;&gt; Good. So, um, I'm just going to go off &gt;&gt; Good. So, um, I'm just going to go off the script here cuz it's a little the script here cuz it's a little the script here cuz it's a little surreal being on on the air with you surreal being on on the air with you surreal being on on the air with you guys after listening to so many guys after listening to so many guys after listening to so many episodes. So, uh, I've been listening to episodes. So, uh, I've been listening to episodes. So, uh, I've been listening to you guys for about a year. Uh, one of my you guys for about a year. Uh, one of my you guys for about a year. Uh, one of my daughter's uh, uh, friends dads actually daughter's uh, uh, friends dads actually daughter's uh, uh, friends dads actually recommended you guys. So, I started recommended you guys. So, I started recommended you guys. So, I started listening since then and and since that listening since then and and since that listening since then and and since that episode, I've gone back way back and episode, I've gone back way back and episode, I've gone back way back and listening to a bunch of stuff and and listening to a bunch of stuff and and listening to a bunch of stuff and and it's all been good. And I wanted to it's all been good. And I wanted to it's all been good. And I wanted to start uh by thanking you guys for all start uh by thanking you guys for all start uh by thanking you guys for all the free workout uh family and the free workout uh family and the free workout uh family and specifically the parenting advice that specifically the parenting advice that specifically the parenting advice that you guys give. Uh just Lisa being a good you guys give. Uh just Lisa being a good you guys give. Uh just Lisa being a good human, man. And it's great information human, man. And it's great information human, man. And it's great information and there's not enough of that right now and there's not enough of that right now and there's not enough of that right now in the world, you know. It feels like in the world, you know. It feels like in the world, you know. It feels like I'm talking to my gym buddies except you I'm talking to my gym buddies except you I'm talking to my gym buddies except you guys are a little smarter than they guys are a little smarter than they guys are a little smarter than they were, but you know, same kind of deal, were, but you know, same kind of deal, were, but you know, same kind of deal, you know. So, I appreciate that. you know. So, I appreciate that. you know. So, I appreciate that. &gt;&gt; Thanks, bro. Barely. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Thanks, bro. Barely. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Thanks, bro. Barely. Yeah. &gt;&gt; So, I'll go on to my questions now. It's &gt;&gt; So, I'll go on to my questions now. It's &gt;&gt; So, I'll go on to my questions now. It's basically two questions. Um, I'm 49 basically two questions. Um, I'm 49 basically two questions. Um, I'm 49 years old and I'll be 50 in March of years old and I'll be 50 in March of years old and I'll be 50 in March of this year. I'm married and I have a four this year. I'm married and I have a four this year. I'm married and I have a four and a six-year-old, a four-year-old son and a six-year-old, a four-year-old son and a six-year-old, a four-year-old son and a six-year-old daughter. I usually and a six-year-old daughter. I usually and a six-year-old daughter. I usually work out at home. I have a pretty pretty work out at home. I have a pretty pretty work out at home. I have a pretty pretty full uh good home gym. And also, I have full uh good home gym. And also, I have full uh good home gym. And also, I have a gym at work that I use. Uh, I've been a gym at work that I use. Uh, I've been a gym at work that I use. Uh, I've been weightlifting since I was about 15 years weightlifting since I was about 15 years weightlifting since I was about 15 years old. Uh, that summer I bought a bus pass old. Uh, that summer I bought a bus pass old. Uh, that summer I bought a bus pass and I'd ride to the gym and meet my dad and I'd ride to the gym and meet my dad and I'd ride to the gym and meet my dad there during his lunch break and work there during his lunch break and work there during his lunch break and work out. So, out. So, out. So, &gt;&gt; that's cool. &gt;&gt; that's cool. &gt;&gt; that's cool. &gt;&gt; It's been it's been quite a while. So &gt;&gt; It's been it's been quite a while. So &gt;&gt; It's been it's been quite a while. So since then, my training's been on and since then, my training's been on and since then, my training's been on and off, but like 99.9% on. Very rarely take off, but like 99.9% on. Very rarely take off, but like 99.9% on. Very rarely take any time off. So over the years, I've any time off. So over the years, I've any time off. So over the years, I've struggled with what I feels like gaining struggled with what I feels like gaining struggled with what I feels like gaining muscle. Um I'm sure it's probably due to muscle. Um I'm sure it's probably due to muscle. Um I'm sure it's probably due to my conservative approach, not wanting to my conservative approach, not wanting to my conservative approach, not wanting to gain too much body fat. So I pretty much gain too much body fat. So I pretty much gain too much body fat. So I pretty much track every single thing that I eat. And track every single thing that I eat. And track every single thing that I eat. And um I use an app to track that. I'm about um I use an app to track that. I'm about um I use an app to track that. I'm about I am at about 100 2500 calories right I am at about 100 2500 calories right I am at about 100 2500 calories right now. I weigh 153 lbs. Um, I consume now. I weigh 153 lbs. Um, I consume now. I weigh 153 lbs. Um, I consume about 165 grams of protein and I'm I'm about 165 grams of protein and I'm I'm about 165 grams of protein and I'm I'm currently doing a reverse diet. Um, the currently doing a reverse diet. Um, the currently doing a reverse diet. Um, the app I use is a carbon app, the the Lane app I use is a carbon app, the the Lane app I use is a carbon app, the the Lane Norton app, and they give me Norton app, and they give me Norton app, and they give me recommendations on the macros, and I it recommendations on the macros, and I it recommendations on the macros, and I it feels to me like sometimes they're too feels to me like sometimes they're too feels to me like sometimes they're too small, you know, like the the the small, you know, like the the the small, you know, like the the the recommendations are are very small recommendations are are very small recommendations are are very small amount of calories. So, I'm not sure if amount of calories. So, I'm not sure if amount of calories. So, I'm not sure if I should be trying to consume more I should be trying to consume more I should be trying to consume more calories or stay on the reverse longer. calories or stay on the reverse longer. calories or stay on the reverse longer. So that's that's my question as far as So that's that's my question as far as So that's that's my question as far as the diet stuff. And then I have a the diet stuff. And then I have a the diet stuff. And then I have a question as far as the training. So question as far as the training. So question as far as the training. So should I you guys give me should I you guys give me should I you guys give me &gt;&gt; Yeah, let me ask you some questions &gt;&gt; Yeah, let me ask you some questions &gt;&gt; Yeah, let me ask you some questions where we're at right now. Uh give give where we're at right now. Uh give give where we're at right now. Uh give give me an idea of like do you have any idea me an idea of like do you have any idea me an idea of like do you have any idea how many steps you take in the day? Like how many steps you take in the day? Like how many steps you take in the day? Like how active you are during the day? how active you are during the day? how active you are during the day? &gt;&gt; I I don't usually track my steps, but &gt;&gt; I I don't usually track my steps, but &gt;&gt; I I don't usually track my steps, but I'm I'm pretty I'm like a robot, man. I'm I'm pretty I'm like a robot, man. I'm I'm pretty I'm like a robot, man. I'm consistent with everything that I I'm consistent with everything that I I'm consistent with everything that I do. Like my daily routine, you know, my do. Like my daily routine, you know, my do. Like my daily routine, you know, my diet, my training, everything is is very diet, my training, everything is is very diet, my training, everything is is very consistent. And I've never tracked my consistent. And I've never tracked my consistent. And I've never tracked my steps. So that's maybe something that I steps. So that's maybe something that I steps. So that's maybe something that I should do. should do. should do. &gt;&gt; Well, I mean I give me an idea of what &gt;&gt; Well, I mean I give me an idea of what &gt;&gt; Well, I mean I give me an idea of what you do. What do you do for work? Like do you do. What do you do for work? Like do you do. What do you do for work? Like do you have a job that's a desk job or do you have a job that's a desk job or do you have a job that's a desk job or do you move around a lot? Like what's your you move around a lot? Like what's your you move around a lot? Like what's your what's your day look like? what's your day look like? what's your day look like? &gt;&gt; I work I work for the fire department, &gt;&gt; I work I work for the fire department, &gt;&gt; I work I work for the fire department, but I'm I'm in an administrative but I'm I'm in an administrative but I'm I'm in an administrative position in health and safety. So I position in health and safety. So I position in health and safety. So I pretty much have a desk job. Okay. pretty much have a desk job. Okay. pretty much have a desk job. Okay. &gt;&gt; So it's not you know my my uh my daily &gt;&gt; So it's not you know my my uh my daily &gt;&gt; So it's not you know my my uh my daily steps for work other than when I work steps for work other than when I work steps for work other than when I work out isn't isn't much more than than you out isn't isn't much more than than you out isn't isn't much more than than you know the ordinary. know the ordinary. know the ordinary. &gt;&gt; Okay. That that helps cuz if you I I was &gt;&gt; Okay. That that helps cuz if you I I was &gt;&gt; Okay. That that helps cuz if you I I was going to say your calories are probably going to say your calories are probably going to say your calories are probably really low if you have an active job and really low if you have an active job and really low if you have an active job and you move around a lot. But if you're you move around a lot. But if you're you move around a lot. But if you're pretty sedentary at work and your only pretty sedentary at work and your only pretty sedentary at work and your only real activity is your lifting, then I real activity is your lifting, then I real activity is your lifting, then I don't think you're like way under. But I don't think you're like way under. But I don't think you're like way under. But I pro we probably definitely could boost pro we probably definitely could boost pro we probably definitely could boost calories though if you're training calories though if you're training calories though if you're training pretty consistently and you have a clean pretty consistently and you have a clean pretty consistently and you have a clean diet. Uh my first reaction is is to go diet. Uh my first reaction is is to go diet. Uh my first reaction is is to go higher in the calories. higher in the calories. higher in the calories. &gt;&gt; Yeah. What you're currently doing is &gt;&gt; Yeah. What you're currently doing is &gt;&gt; Yeah. What you're currently doing is going to keep you lean and fit. Uh, but going to keep you lean and fit. Uh, but going to keep you lean and fit. Uh, but if you want to gain I I mean I would if you want to gain I I mean I would if you want to gain I I mean I would immediately have you go up 500 calories. immediately have you go up 500 calories. immediately have you go up 500 calories. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Right out the gates to go up 500. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Right out the gates to go up 500. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Right out the gates to go up 500. I don't even think you'd see I don't I don't even think you'd see I don't I don't even think you'd see I don't think you'd see massive change in the think you'd see massive change in the think you'd see massive change in the scale even with 500. You just start to scale even with 500. You just start to scale even with 500. You just start to see some strain gains uh with a 500 uh see some strain gains uh with a 500 uh see some strain gains uh with a 500 uh calorie increase. So, and and you've calorie increase. So, and and you've calorie increase. So, and and you've been at how long you been at 2500? been at how long you been at 2500? been at how long you been at 2500? &gt;&gt; Uh I think it was like June or July. I'd &gt;&gt; Uh I think it was like June or July. I'd &gt;&gt; Uh I think it was like June or July. I'd have to look into the app, but it's been have to look into the app, but it's been have to look into the app, but it's been you know it'll be like 25 uh 2556. you know it'll be like 25 uh 2556. you know it'll be like 25 uh 2556. It'll go up very I mean 30 maybe 50 It'll go up very I mean 30 maybe 50 It'll go up very I mean 30 maybe 50 calories, calories, calories, &gt;&gt; you know, that's what the increases &gt;&gt; you know, that's what the increases &gt;&gt; you know, that's what the increases usually are. usually are. usually are. &gt;&gt; Where did you start? What was it at when &gt;&gt; Where did you start? What was it at when &gt;&gt; Where did you start? What was it at when you you you &gt;&gt; I'd have to look I'd have to look back &gt;&gt; I'd have to look I'd have to look back &gt;&gt; I'd have to look I'd have to look back in the app and and see, but it it been in the app and and see, but it it been in the app and and see, but it it been I've been at it since about April last I've been at it since about April last I've been at it since about April last year. year. year. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; So, like I said, the the the increases &gt;&gt; So, like I said, the the the increases &gt;&gt; So, like I said, the the the increases really haven't been much. really haven't been much. really haven't been much. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; So, were you like So, back back in April &gt;&gt; So, were you like So, back back in April &gt;&gt; So, were you like So, back back in April when you when you first started the app, when you when you first started the app, when you when you first started the app, were you like around 2,000 calories or were you like around 2,000 calories or were you like around 2,000 calories or something? Is that kind of where you something? Is that kind of where you something? Is that kind of where you used to eat back in the days? used to eat back in the days? used to eat back in the days? &gt;&gt; That's that's what I'm wondering. &gt;&gt; That's that's what I'm wondering. &gt;&gt; That's that's what I'm wondering. &gt;&gt; Yeah, I think it I think it was right &gt;&gt; Yeah, I think it I think it was right &gt;&gt; Yeah, I think it I think it was right around there. I mean, again, I have the around there. I mean, again, I have the around there. I mean, again, I have the exact numbers. I keep workout logs. I'm exact numbers. I keep workout logs. I'm exact numbers. I keep workout logs. I'm like, you know, OCD on some of that like, you know, OCD on some of that like, you know, OCD on some of that stuff. Maybe a little too much. stuff. Maybe a little too much. stuff. Maybe a little too much. &gt;&gt; I'm pretty confident if you went up 500 &gt;&gt; I'm pretty confident if you went up 500 &gt;&gt; I'm pretty confident if you went up 500 calories, you'd be happy. calories, you'd be happy. calories, you'd be happy. &gt;&gt; I agree. &gt;&gt; I agree. &gt;&gt; I agree. &gt;&gt; Yeah. And you you look pretty lean. &gt;&gt; Yeah. And you you look pretty lean. &gt;&gt; Yeah. And you you look pretty lean. What's your body fat percentage at? What's your body fat percentage at? What's your body fat percentage at? &gt;&gt; So, I haven't done like a DEXA, but or &gt;&gt; So, I haven't done like a DEXA, but or &gt;&gt; So, I haven't done like a DEXA, but or or any of the body fat tests. We have an or any of the body fat tests. We have an or any of the body fat tests. We have an inbody thing here at work, but I didn't inbody thing here at work, but I didn't inbody thing here at work, but I didn't do it on an empty stomach first thing in do it on an empty stomach first thing in do it on an empty stomach first thing in the morning or whatever. Uh, I have I I the morning or whatever. Uh, I have I I the morning or whatever. Uh, I have I I would say, you know, my abs are visible, would say, you know, my abs are visible, would say, you know, my abs are visible, especially if I flex them, but normally especially if I flex them, but normally especially if I flex them, but normally they're they're they're there. you know, they're they're they're there. you know, they're they're they're there. you know, you can see them. you can see them. you can see them. &gt;&gt; Um, &gt;&gt; Um, &gt;&gt; Um, &gt;&gt; you're probably like, you're you're &gt;&gt; you're probably like, you're you're &gt;&gt; you're probably like, you're you're around 10% around 10% around 10% or nine. Yeah, 500 calorie uh increase or nine. Yeah, 500 calorie uh increase or nine. Yeah, 500 calorie uh increase just right out the gates. Uh, you'd have just right out the gates. Uh, you'd have just right out the gates. Uh, you'd have a lot of positive uh gains from that a lot of positive uh gains from that a lot of positive uh gains from that right out the gate. I mean, you could do right out the gate. I mean, you could do right out the gate. I mean, you could do the slow, the slow, the slow, &gt;&gt; really, really slow um, you know, &gt;&gt; really, really slow um, you know, &gt;&gt; really, really slow um, you know, increase, increase, increase, &gt;&gt; which is very conservative. I, you know, &gt;&gt; which is very conservative. I, you know, &gt;&gt; which is very conservative. I, you know, Lane's got a great app. Uh, but a lot of Lane's got a great app. Uh, but a lot of Lane's got a great app. Uh, but a lot of it's geared towards um trying to get it's geared towards um trying to get it's geared towards um trying to get people to get their metabolism to kind people to get their metabolism to kind people to get their metabolism to kind of go up with minimal or no fat gain. of go up with minimal or no fat gain. of go up with minimal or no fat gain. So, it's extremely conservative, So, it's extremely conservative, So, it's extremely conservative, &gt;&gt; right? &gt;&gt; right? &gt;&gt; right? &gt;&gt; But yeah, I mean, you're you're a dude. &gt;&gt; But yeah, I mean, you're you're a dude. &gt;&gt; But yeah, I mean, you're you're a dude. You've been lifting weights for a while. You've been lifting weights for a while. You've been lifting weights for a while. You you you're lean. Um, you otherwise You you you're lean. Um, you otherwise You you you're lean. Um, you otherwise healthy. A 500 calorie increase is not healthy. A 500 calorie increase is not healthy. A 500 calorie increase is not huge. And I think that would be like huge. And I think that would be like huge. And I think that would be like that would you would notice some really that would you would notice some really that would you would notice some really good strength gains right out the gate. good strength gains right out the gate. good strength gains right out the gate. &gt;&gt; Especially hearing a guy like like you &gt;&gt; Especially hearing a guy like like you &gt;&gt; Especially hearing a guy like like you who's telling me that you you who's telling me that you you who's telling me that you you consistently lift and you try I'm consistently lift and you try I'm consistently lift and you try I'm assuming you've been lifting that long. assuming you've been lifting that long. assuming you've been lifting that long. You probably got good technique. You You probably got good technique. You You probably got good technique. You probably lift good. Like so probably lift good. Like so probably lift good. Like so &gt;&gt; the 500 calorie boost. Watch. I think I &gt;&gt; the 500 calorie boost. Watch. I think I &gt;&gt; the 500 calorie boost. Watch. I think I think in a week or two like you'll feel think in a week or two like you'll feel think in a week or two like you'll feel you'll feel stronger. you'll feel stronger. you'll feel stronger. &gt;&gt; Oh yeah. &gt;&gt; Oh yeah. &gt;&gt; Oh yeah. &gt;&gt; You'll you'll you'll feel your big lifts &gt;&gt; You'll you'll you'll feel your big lifts &gt;&gt; You'll you'll you'll feel your big lifts go up right away and then you'll know go up right away and then you'll know go up right away and then you'll know like cuz your big lifts go up right away like cuz your big lifts go up right away like cuz your big lifts go up right away from a 500 calorie boost. Then what from a 500 calorie boost. Then what from a 500 calorie boost. Then what follows right behind that is more follows right behind that is more follows right behind that is more muscle. You you right behind that. So muscle. You you right behind that. So muscle. You you right behind that. So yeah, I agree. I think going up to 3,000 yeah, I agree. I think going up to 3,000 yeah, I agree. I think going up to 3,000 calories, I think you're going to see a calories, I think you're going to see a calories, I think you're going to see a big difference. How do you like Are you big difference. How do you like Are you big difference. How do you like Are you following the 15 routine right now or following the 15 routine right now or following the 15 routine right now or are you on the upper lower split? What are you on the upper lower split? What are you on the upper lower split? What are you on right now? are you on right now? are you on right now? &gt;&gt; Well, so so right now like I I sent in &gt;&gt; Well, so so right now like I I sent in &gt;&gt; Well, so so right now like I I sent in the question and you guys obviously read the question and you guys obviously read the question and you guys obviously read it, but I sent in the question, you it, but I sent in the question, you it, but I sent in the question, you know, that it's around November last know, that it's around November last know, that it's around November last year, I started like my own modified year, I started like my own modified year, I started like my own modified kind of version of the 15. Yeah. kind of version of the 15. Yeah. kind of version of the 15. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Um that I just basically do like like a &gt;&gt; Um that I just basically do like like a &gt;&gt; Um that I just basically do like like a compound lift. like I'll do, you know, compound lift. like I'll do, you know, compound lift. like I'll do, you know, legs, uh, squats, deadlifts or something legs, uh, squats, deadlifts or something legs, uh, squats, deadlifts or something then paired like with triceps or biceps. then paired like with triceps or biceps. then paired like with triceps or biceps. &gt;&gt; Sure. And uh I've been doing it and I &gt;&gt; Sure. And uh I've been doing it and I &gt;&gt; Sure. And uh I've been doing it and I and like I I wrote in the email I said and like I I wrote in the email I said and like I I wrote in the email I said my 20 30 and 40year-old self wish I my 20 30 and 40year-old self wish I my 20 30 and 40year-old self wish I would have known this low volume would have known this low volume would have known this low volume approach because it's like I'm either approach because it's like I'm either approach because it's like I'm either maintaining or seeing improvements like maintaining or seeing improvements like maintaining or seeing improvements like you guys always preach you know and it's you guys always preach you know and it's you guys always preach you know and it's it's it was so hard for me to pivot from it's it was so hard for me to pivot from it's it was so hard for me to pivot from &gt;&gt; doing five six seven days a week like &gt;&gt; doing five six seven days a week like &gt;&gt; doing five six seven days a week like I've done for so many years to do so I've done for so many years to do so I've done for so many years to do so much less volume and seeing you know as much less volume and seeing you know as much less volume and seeing you know as good if not potentially better results. good if not potentially better results. good if not potentially better results. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So that that's the part of the &gt;&gt; Yeah. So that that's the part of the &gt;&gt; Yeah. So that that's the part of the other part of the question was as far as other part of the question was as far as other part of the question was as far as the training, you know, what what should the training, you know, what what should the training, you know, what what should I be looking at doing as far as that as I be looking at doing as far as that as I be looking at doing as far as that as well? I mean, it's not well? I mean, it's not well? I mean, it's not &gt;&gt; I like what you're doing. I mean, we &gt;&gt; I like what you're doing. I mean, we &gt;&gt; I like what you're doing. I mean, we could we could send you if you want could we could send you if you want could we could send you if you want another program to try out, we can send another program to try out, we can send another program to try out, we can send it to you, but I I if if that's your it to you, but I I if if that's your it to you, but I I if if that's your approach, that's a good approach. approach, that's a good approach. approach, that's a good approach. &gt;&gt; Yeah. I mean, typically if you go in a &gt;&gt; Yeah. I mean, typically if you go in a &gt;&gt; Yeah. I mean, typically if you go in a calorie, if you start to bump calories, calorie, if you start to bump calories, calorie, if you start to bump calories, this is when you would want to bump this is when you would want to bump this is when you would want to bump volume, but I would rather you uh mess volume, but I would rather you uh mess volume, but I would rather you uh mess with one variable at a time instead of with one variable at a time instead of with one variable at a time instead of both at the same time. So, I would just both at the same time. So, I would just both at the same time. So, I would just I would just go up 500 calories, keep I would just go up 500 calories, keep I would just go up 500 calories, keep doing what you're doing. You're going to doing what you're doing. You're going to doing what you're doing. You're going to see great gains. see great gains. see great gains. &gt;&gt; I mean, his volume's naturally going to &gt;&gt; I mean, his volume's naturally going to &gt;&gt; I mean, his volume's naturally going to go up because he get stronger, you know, go up because he get stronger, you know, go up because he get stronger, you know, load more with intensity. So, load more with intensity. So, load more with intensity. So, &gt;&gt; I I like exactly what you're doing and &gt;&gt; I I like exactly what you're doing and &gt;&gt; I I like exactly what you're doing and just pay attention to those big lifts. just pay attention to those big lifts. just pay attention to those big lifts. My prediction is within a week or two My prediction is within a week or two My prediction is within a week or two you see your big lifts go up. you see your big lifts go up. you see your big lifts go up. &gt;&gt; You'll go up and you you're going to go &gt;&gt; You'll go up and you you're going to go &gt;&gt; You'll go up and you you're going to go up in your big lifts. Keep stacking. up in your big lifts. Keep stacking. up in your big lifts. Keep stacking. &gt;&gt; Where what are your lifts at right now? &gt;&gt; Where what are your lifts at right now? &gt;&gt; Where what are your lifts at right now? So like let's like what are you doing So like let's like what are you doing So like let's like what are you doing with your squats and your deadlifts? with your squats and your deadlifts? with your squats and your deadlifts? Like give me an idea of of your Like give me an idea of of your Like give me an idea of of your strength. strength. strength. &gt;&gt; So So with that for you know overall my &gt;&gt; So So with that for you know overall my &gt;&gt; So So with that for you know overall my squats and my deadlifts really haven't squats and my deadlifts really haven't squats and my deadlifts really haven't been as much as I want them to be. And been as much as I want them to be. And been as much as I want them to be. And that's that was I know that that um Adam that's that was I know that that um Adam that's that was I know that that um Adam throws in there the the the the value of throws in there the the the the value of throws in there the the the the value of doing that symmetry, you know, at least doing that symmetry, you know, at least doing that symmetry, you know, at least once a year. I've had this nagging right once a year. I've had this nagging right once a year. I've had this nagging right hip thing on and off for for years. So, hip thing on and off for for years. So, hip thing on and off for for years. So, you know, I I I I don't do regular squat you know, I I I I don't do regular squat you know, I I I I don't do regular squat cuz I always noticed I had like a right cuz I always noticed I had like a right cuz I always noticed I had like a right kind of hip shift and I've gone to kind of hip shift and I've gone to kind of hip shift and I've gone to physical therapists, different people, physical therapists, different people, physical therapists, different people, they haven't helped me. The zer squat, they haven't helped me. The zer squat, they haven't helped me. The zer squat, I've been able to do that and and I can I've been able to do that and and I can I've been able to do that and and I can get up to like 185 lbs almost on that get up to like 185 lbs almost on that get up to like 185 lbs almost on that for a few reps, for a few reps, for a few reps, &gt;&gt; you know. So that's the kind of the &gt;&gt; you know. So that's the kind of the &gt;&gt; you know. So that's the kind of the workar around I've done and that hasn't workar around I've done and that hasn't workar around I've done and that hasn't bothered my hip as much. Um you know bothered my hip as much. Um you know bothered my hip as much. Um you know deadlift the I I'm not doing deadlifts deadlift the I I'm not doing deadlifts deadlift the I I'm not doing deadlifts this go on in November I was and I was this go on in November I was and I was this go on in November I was and I was up to like 275 up to like 275 up to like 275 &gt;&gt; uh deadlift you know um like this &gt;&gt; uh deadlift you know um like this &gt;&gt; uh deadlift you know um like this morning I worked out I was doing incin morning I worked out I was doing incin morning I worked out I was doing incin dumbbells with 50s you know a few sets dumbbells with 50s you know a few sets dumbbells with 50s you know a few sets of 15 reps. of 15 reps. of 15 reps. &gt;&gt; So you know that that's kind of where &gt;&gt; So you know that that's kind of where &gt;&gt; So you know that that's kind of where I'm at with with I'm at with with I'm at with with &gt;&gt; your strength's going to blow up. &gt;&gt; your strength's going to blow up. &gt;&gt; your strength's going to blow up. &gt;&gt; Yeah, your strength will go up. Do you &gt;&gt; Yeah, your strength will go up. Do you &gt;&gt; Yeah, your strength will go up. Do you uh do you tend to lean more towards like uh do you tend to lean more towards like uh do you tend to lean more towards like the higher 10 to 15 rep range or do you the higher 10 to 15 rep range or do you the higher 10 to 15 rep range or do you tend to lean more towards like the low tend to lean more towards like the low tend to lean more towards like the low rep like five rep range? What's more rep like five rep range? What's more rep like five rep range? What's more you? you? you? &gt;&gt; Well, again lately what I've been doing &gt;&gt; Well, again lately what I've been doing &gt;&gt; Well, again lately what I've been doing and since I was doing that upper body and since I was doing that upper body and since I was doing that upper body lower body split, I vary it. I'll do a lower body split, I vary it. I'll do a lower body split, I vary it. I'll do a few weeks, you know, 15 12 to 15 reps few weeks, you know, 15 12 to 15 reps few weeks, you know, 15 12 to 15 reps and then I'll drop down to like six to and then I'll drop down to like six to and then I'll drop down to like six to eight. Okay? eight. Okay? eight. Okay? &gt;&gt; You know, just to kind of switch it up. &gt;&gt; You know, just to kind of switch it up. &gt;&gt; You know, just to kind of switch it up. But at the end of the day, I'm a But at the end of the day, I'm a But at the end of the day, I'm a creature of structure and habit, you creature of structure and habit, you creature of structure and habit, you know. So that's why I I wanted your know. So that's why I I wanted your know. So that's why I I wanted your input on on what program to follow input on on what program to follow input on on what program to follow because I've kind of thrown this because I've kind of thrown this because I've kind of thrown this together and I think it's worked okay. together and I think it's worked okay. together and I think it's worked okay. But I really like the fact of of having But I really like the fact of of having But I really like the fact of of having that program to follow the structure for that program to follow the structure for that program to follow the structure for the the guidance, you know, to to kind the the guidance, you know, to to kind the the guidance, you know, to to kind of of of &gt;&gt; give me an end point. &gt;&gt; give me an end point. &gt;&gt; give me an end point. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So So guy like you who's who's got &gt;&gt; Yeah. So So guy like you who's who's got &gt;&gt; Yeah. So So guy like you who's who's got a good feel for all this stuff because a good feel for all this stuff because a good feel for all this stuff because you've been doing it for so long, a good you've been doing it for so long, a good you've been doing it for so long, a good idea would be go up 500 calories, stay idea would be go up 500 calories, stay idea would be go up 500 calories, stay what you're doing for the next four what you're doing for the next four what you're doing for the next four weeks. You'll see some good strength weeks. You'll see some good strength weeks. You'll see some good strength gains. go up another 200 calories after gains. go up another 200 calories after gains. go up another 200 calories after that and then go into map symmetry that and then go into map symmetry that and then go into map symmetry because symmetry has got a little more because symmetry has got a little more because symmetry has got a little more volume and then follow symmetry. So volume and then follow symmetry. So volume and then follow symmetry. So you'll be at 3,000 calories for four you'll be at 3,000 calories for four you'll be at 3,000 calories for four weeks. Then you'll be at 3,200 calories weeks. Then you'll be at 3,200 calories weeks. Then you'll be at 3,200 calories uh following all the way through map uh following all the way through map uh following all the way through map symmetry. symmetry. symmetry. &gt;&gt; And by the end of that I I would I would &gt;&gt; And by the end of that I I would I would &gt;&gt; And by the end of that I I would I would be I I would expect probably a 7 to 8 lb be I I would expect probably a 7 to 8 lb be I I would expect probably a 7 to 8 lb gain in lean body mass. Maybe five maybe gain in lean body mass. Maybe five maybe gain in lean body mass. Maybe five maybe five to seven pounds of lean body mass five to seven pounds of lean body mass five to seven pounds of lean body mass and maybe a couple pounds of body fat. and maybe a couple pounds of body fat. and maybe a couple pounds of body fat. But but overall your body fat percentage But but overall your body fat percentage But but overall your body fat percentage will stay great because the lean body will stay great because the lean body will stay great because the lean body mass went up. mass went up. mass went up. &gt;&gt; You'll look better. You'll feel better. &gt;&gt; You'll look better. You'll feel better. &gt;&gt; You'll look better. You'll feel better. And I'm willing to bet all your big And I'm willing to bet all your big And I'm willing to bet all your big lifts you're talking you talked to us lifts you're talking you talked to us lifts you're talking you talked to us about you'll see up. about you'll see up. about you'll see up. &gt;&gt; Oh yeah. You're going to see like a 20 &gt;&gt; Oh yeah. You're going to see like a 20 &gt;&gt; Oh yeah. You're going to see like a 20 30 pound increase on some of those 30 pound increase on some of those 30 pound increase on some of those lifts. lifts. lifts. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; All right. So then the 500 and then &gt;&gt; All right. So then the 500 and then &gt;&gt; All right. So then the 500 and then about a month after about a month do about a month after about a month do about a month after about a month do another 200. Okay. another 200. Okay. another 200. Okay. &gt;&gt; And when you when you switch to symmetry &gt;&gt; And when you when you switch to symmetry &gt;&gt; And when you when you switch to symmetry Yeah. So stick to what you're doing. Yeah. So stick to what you're doing. Yeah. So stick to what you're doing. Just go to 3,000 calories. After a month Just go to 3,000 calories. After a month Just go to 3,000 calories. After a month then go to uh map. If you don't have map then go to uh map. If you don't have map then go to uh map. If you don't have map symmetry we'll send it to you. then go symmetry we'll send it to you. then go symmetry we'll send it to you. then go to then go to map symmetry followed out to then go to map symmetry followed out to then go to map symmetry followed out how it's laid out the entire program how it's laid out the entire program how it's laid out the entire program with another 200 calories and uh I'm with another 200 calories and uh I'm with another 200 calories and uh I'm with S I think with S I think with S I think &gt;&gt; and what's cool is the way map symmetry &gt;&gt; and what's cool is the way map symmetry &gt;&gt; and what's cool is the way map symmetry ends you do all unilateral work the ends you do all unilateral work the ends you do all unilateral work the front half the last c the last month of front half the last c the last month of front half the last c the last month of symmetry is a like 5x5 traditional symmetry is a like 5x5 traditional symmetry is a like 5x5 traditional training so you really get to see your training so you really get to see your training so you really get to see your strength expressed at the end yeah so strength expressed at the end yeah so strength expressed at the end yeah so this the unilateral work will be great this the unilateral work will be great this the unilateral work will be great for you and then you'll go right into for you and then you'll go right into for you and then you'll go right into the then you'll go into the 5x5 the the then you'll go into the 5x5 the the then you'll go into the 5x5 the final month so that that's a good layout final month so that that's a good layout final month so that that's a good layout for you for you for you &gt;&gt; awesome and thank you. Thank you very &gt;&gt; awesome and thank you. Thank you very &gt;&gt; awesome and thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. much. I appreciate it. much. I appreciate it. &gt;&gt; I'd love to hear back from you, Bert. I &gt;&gt; I'd love to hear back from you, Bert. I &gt;&gt; I'd love to hear back from you, Bert. I I really I think I want to hear where it I really I think I want to hear where it I really I think I want to hear where it happens. happens. happens. &gt;&gt; Yeah, I'll keep you guys in the loop. &gt;&gt; Yeah, I'll keep you guys in the loop. &gt;&gt; Yeah, I'll keep you guys in the loop. And and one last thing, I know I know And and one last thing, I know I know And and one last thing, I know I know we're limited on time, but I wanted to we're limited on time, but I wanted to we're limited on time, but I wanted to share this with you guys. I've been in share this with you guys. I've been in share this with you guys. I've been in the fire department now for about 25 the fire department now for about 25 the fire department now for about 25 years. Before I I came into the fire years. Before I I came into the fire years. Before I I came into the fire department, I was actually a school department, I was actually a school department, I was actually a school teacher. So, you know, in my heart is teacher. So, you know, in my heart is teacher. So, you know, in my heart is education. I've been a training guy here education. I've been a training guy here education. I've been a training guy here for years with a lot of different things for years with a lot of different things for years with a lot of different things we've done within the department. But, we've done within the department. But, we've done within the department. But, you know, listening to you guys and and you know, listening to you guys and and you know, listening to you guys and and the way that you guys have uh the the the way that you guys have uh the the the way that you guys have uh the the the training aspect of how you guys talk the training aspect of how you guys talk the training aspect of how you guys talk about helping people and everything that about helping people and everything that about helping people and everything that that really from listening to you guys that really from listening to you guys that really from listening to you guys has motivated me for my my career after has motivated me for my my career after has motivated me for my my career after this career, this career, this career, &gt;&gt; which I'm going to be focusing on on &gt;&gt; which I'm going to be focusing on on &gt;&gt; which I'm going to be focusing on on training people. I've always kind of training people. I've always kind of training people. I've always kind of helped people out here and there cuz helped people out here and there cuz helped people out here and there cuz they see me and they're like, "Oh, Bert, they see me and they're like, "Oh, Bert, they see me and they're like, "Oh, Bert, you know, you're the fitness guy. you you know, you're the fitness guy. you you know, you're the fitness guy. you work out and all this, but it's really work out and all this, but it's really work out and all this, but it's really given me an opportunity to have uh uh given me an opportunity to have uh uh given me an opportunity to have uh uh something after this. You know, after something after this. You know, after something after this. You know, after first responders many times leave their first responders many times leave their first responders many times leave their careers, they don't have an identity or careers, they don't have an identity or careers, they don't have an identity or or something to identify with to again or something to identify with to again or something to identify with to again continue to help people. And I think continue to help people. And I think continue to help people. And I think watching and and learning from you guys, watching and and learning from you guys, watching and and learning from you guys, you guys really have motivated me. That you guys really have motivated me. That you guys really have motivated me. That that that is my calling, you know, and that that is my calling, you know, and that that is my calling, you know, and that's something that I'm going to that's something that I'm going to that's something that I'm going to follow up on the next, you know, 3 to 5 follow up on the next, you know, 3 to 5 follow up on the next, you know, 3 to 5 years when I move on from the fire years when I move on from the fire years when I move on from the fire service. My kids are still going to be service. My kids are still going to be service. My kids are still going to be young, you know, but I think it'll be young, you know, but I think it'll be young, you know, but I think it'll be something that I'll be able to do on my something that I'll be able to do on my something that I'll be able to do on my own terms. I won't have to chase money. own terms. I won't have to chase money. own terms. I won't have to chase money. I won't have to chase anything. It'll be I won't have to chase anything. It'll be I won't have to chase anything. It'll be for my own, you know, fulfillment and for my own, you know, fulfillment and for my own, you know, fulfillment and enjoyment of helping others. But I enjoyment of helping others. But I enjoyment of helping others. But I wanted to thank you guys for that as wanted to thank you guys for that as wanted to thank you guys for that as well cuz just, you know, the way that well cuz just, you know, the way that well cuz just, you know, the way that you guys talk about, you know, the you guys talk about, you know, the you guys talk about, you know, the training aspect and helping people and, training aspect and helping people and, training aspect and helping people and, you know, there's a lot of value in that you know, there's a lot of value in that you know, there's a lot of value in that and I really do appreciate that. That's and I really do appreciate that. That's and I really do appreciate that. That's something personal to me that I wanted something personal to me that I wanted something personal to me that I wanted to thank you guys for as well. to thank you guys for as well. to thank you guys for as well. &gt;&gt; Thank you, man. &gt;&gt; Thank you, man. &gt;&gt; Thank you, man. &gt;&gt; Awesome. Great. &gt;&gt; Awesome. Great. &gt;&gt; Awesome. Great. &gt;&gt; Stay in touch. Yeah, stay in touch with &gt;&gt; Stay in touch. Yeah, stay in touch with &gt;&gt; Stay in touch. Yeah, stay in touch with us. us. us. &gt;&gt; Absolutely, man. Thank you so much. &gt;&gt; Absolutely, man. Thank you so much. &gt;&gt; Absolutely, man. Thank you so much. &gt;&gt; Easy. &gt;&gt; Easy. &gt;&gt; Easy. &gt;&gt; Take care. &gt;&gt; Take care. &gt;&gt; Take care. &gt;&gt; Yep. &gt;&gt; Yep. &gt;&gt; Yep. &gt;&gt; Yeah. I mean, easy easy calorie bump. &gt;&gt; Yeah. I mean, easy easy calorie bump. &gt;&gt; Yeah. I mean, easy easy calorie bump. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Uh, you made a good point about &gt;&gt; Yeah. Uh, you made a good point about &gt;&gt; Yeah. Uh, you made a good point about Lane's thing. I just want to address Lane's thing. I just want to address Lane's thing. I just want to address that because I I think we all have a lot that because I I think we all have a lot that because I I think we all have a lot of respect for Lane. I think Lane's of respect for Lane. I think Lane's of respect for Lane. I think Lane's awesome. I think his app is probably awesome. I think his app is probably awesome. I think his app is probably awesome. I think it's geared on the awesome. I think it's geared on the awesome. I think it's geared on the conservative side because the average conservative side because the average conservative side because the average person that he's probably putting on a person that he's probably putting on a person that he's probably putting on a reverse diet on there is somebody who is reverse diet on there is somebody who is reverse diet on there is somebody who is &gt;&gt; um like low low calorie, tried to lose &gt;&gt; um like low low calorie, tried to lose &gt;&gt; um like low low calorie, tried to lose weight their whole life. like uh he's weight their whole life. like uh he's weight their whole life. like uh he's like a hard gainer type of person. like a hard gainer type of person. like a hard gainer type of person. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Like a hard gainer person uh you can &gt;&gt; Like a hard gainer person uh you can &gt;&gt; Like a hard gainer person uh you can throw a much bigger chunk of calories at throw a much bigger chunk of calories at throw a much bigger chunk of calories at that person and that person and that person and &gt;&gt; their body will respond. &gt;&gt; their body will respond. &gt;&gt; their body will respond. &gt;&gt; And there's also a couple that could &gt;&gt; And there's also a couple that could &gt;&gt; And there's also a couple that could like you know when I'm dealing with like you know when I'm dealing with like you know when I'm dealing with somebody somebody somebody where cuz I understand the the where cuz I understand the the where cuz I understand the the conservative approach. I totally get it. conservative approach. I totally get it. conservative approach. I totally get it. But when I'm dealing with somebody who's But when I'm dealing with somebody who's But when I'm dealing with somebody who's afraid afraid afraid of gaining weight and so afraid of all of gaining weight and so afraid of all of gaining weight and so afraid of all this stuff and I give them calorie bumps this stuff and I give them calorie bumps this stuff and I give them calorie bumps that are like 56 calories, 37 calories, that are like 56 calories, 37 calories, that are like 56 calories, 37 calories, 72 calories, it's uh we're they're 72 calories, it's uh we're they're 72 calories, it's uh we're they're staying in this micromanaged space of of staying in this micromanaged space of of staying in this micromanaged space of of this kind of like fear and attachment this kind of like fear and attachment this kind of like fear and attachment &gt;&gt; to their macros &gt;&gt; to their macros &gt;&gt; to their macros &gt;&gt; which I get that but just you know after &gt;&gt; which I get that but just you know after &gt;&gt; which I get that but just you know after coaching people for so long it's like I coaching people for so long it's like I coaching people for so long it's like I want to get you out of that too want to get you out of that too want to get you out of that too &gt;&gt; and I think we're going to be okay &gt;&gt; and I think we're going to be okay &gt;&gt; and I think we're going to be okay bumping 150 calories and I I would bumping 150 calories and I I would bumping 150 calories and I I would rather not be so so just absolutely rather not be so so just absolutely rather not be so so just absolutely specific with these tiny little bumps specific with these tiny little bumps specific with these tiny little bumps that just makes you feel even more like that just makes you feel even more like that just makes you feel even more like you're controlling every little step, you're controlling every little step, you're controlling every little step, you know? So, but I get it. I totally you know? So, but I get it. I totally you know? So, but I get it. I totally get it. get it. get it. &gt;&gt; Our next caller is Latasha from &gt;&gt; Our next caller is Latasha from &gt;&gt; Our next caller is Latasha from Tennessee. Tennessee. Tennessee. &gt;&gt; Hi, Latasha. Good morning. &gt;&gt; Hi, Latasha. Good morning. &gt;&gt; Hi, Latasha. Good morning. &gt;&gt; Hey, everybody. Um, thank you very much &gt;&gt; Hey, everybody. Um, thank you very much &gt;&gt; Hey, everybody. Um, thank you very much for taking my call. I never expected to for taking my call. I never expected to for taking my call. I never expected to be chosen. I felt like I'd won a prize be chosen. I felt like I'd won a prize be chosen. I felt like I'd won a prize when I saw the email that you guys had when I saw the email that you guys had when I saw the email that you guys had picked me. picked me. picked me. &gt;&gt; Oh, thank you. Um, &gt;&gt; Oh, thank you. Um, &gt;&gt; Oh, thank you. Um, so for some background, so for some background, so for some background, um, I've always been one that enjoyed um, I've always been one that enjoyed um, I've always been one that enjoyed exercise, but I didn't really take it exercise, but I didn't really take it exercise, but I didn't really take it very seriously until after my son was very seriously until after my son was very seriously until after my son was born. I had him at 32. I'm 49 now. Um, I born. I had him at 32. I'm 49 now. Um, I born. I had him at 32. I'm 49 now. Um, I was consistent with exercising at home was consistent with exercising at home was consistent with exercising at home with like workout videos, but I know now with like workout videos, but I know now with like workout videos, but I know now that that was mostly just doing cardio. that that was mostly just doing cardio. that that was mostly just doing cardio. it never occurred to me to to pick up it never occurred to me to to pick up it never occurred to me to to pick up weights and do the progressive overload weights and do the progressive overload weights and do the progressive overload stuff that I know now. stuff that I know now. stuff that I know now. &gt;&gt; Um, as far as my diet, my whole life, &gt;&gt; Um, as far as my diet, my whole life, &gt;&gt; Um, as far as my diet, my whole life, it's really just been all over the it's really just been all over the it's really just been all over the place. Um, I would eat too low of place. Um, I would eat too low of place. Um, I would eat too low of calories and then inevitably just calories and then inevitably just calories and then inevitably just completely throw it out and abandon it completely throw it out and abandon it completely throw it out and abandon it &gt;&gt; and just eat whatever I wanted to. &gt;&gt; and just eat whatever I wanted to. &gt;&gt; and just eat whatever I wanted to. And then December of 2024, I found that And then December of 2024, I found that And then December of 2024, I found that I was heavier than I have ever been in I was heavier than I have ever been in I was heavier than I have ever been in my whole life. And I was just at a loss my whole life. And I was just at a loss my whole life. And I was just at a loss because you try to look online and get because you try to look online and get because you try to look online and get some answers and some answers and some answers and it's all conflicting and you just don't it's all conflicting and you just don't it's all conflicting and you just don't know what to do. So, um, know what to do. So, um, know what to do. So, um, an ad came across my Facebook page for, an ad came across my Facebook page for, an ad came across my Facebook page for, um, online trainer company and I decided um, online trainer company and I decided um, online trainer company and I decided to take a a chance on them and I don't to take a a chance on them and I don't to take a a chance on them and I don't know if I can say the name of them on, know if I can say the name of them on, know if I can say the name of them on, you know, on here with you guys, but the you know, on here with you guys, but the you know, on here with you guys, but the co-founder has a podcast also and she co-founder has a podcast also and she co-founder has a podcast also and she has had S on as a guest before. has had S on as a guest before. has had S on as a guest before. &gt;&gt; Awesome. &gt;&gt; Awesome. &gt;&gt; Awesome. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, um, that was a really good &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, um, that was a really good &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, um, that was a really good experience. I committed to a year with experience. I committed to a year with experience. I committed to a year with them and I learned a lot. Um, but it was them and I learned a lot. Um, but it was them and I learned a lot. Um, but it was a big investment for me financially. So, a big investment for me financially. So, a big investment for me financially. So, I knew I was only going to be able to do I knew I was only going to be able to do I knew I was only going to be able to do a year. And so, I did everything they a year. And so, I did everything they a year. And so, I did everything they told me to do. I was very disciplined, told me to do. I was very disciplined, told me to do. I was very disciplined, consistent. I wanted to learn as much as consistent. I wanted to learn as much as consistent. I wanted to learn as much as I could so that when my year was over, I I could so that when my year was over, I I could so that when my year was over, I would feel like I could go it on my own. would feel like I could go it on my own. would feel like I could go it on my own. And so one of the things that I did to And so one of the things that I did to And so one of the things that I did to try to make sure I felt comfortable try to make sure I felt comfortable try to make sure I felt comfortable doing it myself was I got my um personal doing it myself was I got my um personal doing it myself was I got my um personal training certificate training certificate training certificate um through NASM um through NASM um through NASM and um researching how to do that is how and um researching how to do that is how and um researching how to do that is how I found Mind Pump. I found Mind Pump. I found Mind Pump. &gt;&gt; So I've been listening to you guys since &gt;&gt; So I've been listening to you guys since &gt;&gt; So I've been listening to you guys since I found that first episode. So that's I found that first episode. So that's I found that first episode. So that's been about a year ago. Um, been about a year ago. Um, been about a year ago. Um, and and and my question when I originally sent it in my question when I originally sent it in my question when I originally sent it in was my year was about to be over with was my year was about to be over with was my year was about to be over with Lindsay with my trainer and I didn't Lindsay with my trainer and I didn't Lindsay with my trainer and I didn't know I knew I wanted to do a max know I knew I wanted to do a max know I knew I wanted to do a max program, but I didn't know what I should program, but I didn't know what I should program, but I didn't know what I should do. So, I went with the super bundle do. So, I went with the super bundle do. So, I went with the super bundle because I knew saw that that would get because I knew saw that that would get because I knew saw that that would get me through a whole year. me through a whole year. me through a whole year. &gt;&gt; And um, so I went ahead and purchased &gt;&gt; And um, so I went ahead and purchased &gt;&gt; And um, so I went ahead and purchased that. And then I saw the Black Friday that. And then I saw the Black Friday that. And then I saw the Black Friday sale that you guys were having back in sale that you guys were having back in sale that you guys were having back in November and I bought a whole bunch of November and I bought a whole bunch of November and I bought a whole bunch of stuff. stuff. stuff. &gt;&gt; So you're set. &gt;&gt; So you're set. &gt;&gt; So you're set. &gt;&gt; Yeah, &gt;&gt; Yeah, &gt;&gt; Yeah, &gt;&gt; I think so. Um I want to do them all &gt;&gt; I think so. Um I want to do them all &gt;&gt; I think so. Um I want to do them all myself, but my thinking was to if I ever myself, but my thinking was to if I ever myself, but my thinking was to if I ever got to a point where I'm training other got to a point where I'm training other got to a point where I'm training other people, those would be good to have. people, those would be good to have. people, those would be good to have. &gt;&gt; Perfect. Yeah, smart. Good idea. &gt;&gt; Perfect. Yeah, smart. Good idea. &gt;&gt; Perfect. Yeah, smart. Good idea. &gt;&gt; So I just I guess I just want to know &gt;&gt; So I just I guess I just want to know &gt;&gt; So I just I guess I just want to know that I'm on the right track and I'm that I'm on the right track and I'm that I'm on the right track and I'm doing things in proper sequence. I'm um doing things in proper sequence. I'm um doing things in proper sequence. I'm um I'm about to start phase two of anabolic I'm about to start phase two of anabolic I'm about to start phase two of anabolic and then of course my plan was to do and then of course my plan was to do and then of course my plan was to do performance after that but then I performance after that but then I performance after that but then I started thinking about I do have some started thinking about I do have some started thinking about I do have some imbalances and I know I'm weaker on my imbalances and I know I'm weaker on my imbalances and I know I'm weaker on my left side. So then I thought maybe I left side. So then I thought maybe I left side. So then I thought maybe I should do symmetry instead or do you should do symmetry instead or do you should do symmetry instead or do you think it'd still be okay to do think it'd still be okay to do think it'd still be okay to do performance? performance? performance? &gt;&gt; Well, let's Okay, so let's back up for a &gt;&gt; Well, let's Okay, so let's back up for a &gt;&gt; Well, let's Okay, so let's back up for a second. You're doing a great job, second. You're doing a great job, second. You're doing a great job, Natasha. And and I'm reading your email Natasha. And and I'm reading your email Natasha. And and I'm reading your email and it looks like you reverse dieted and it looks like you reverse dieted and it looks like you reverse dieted from uh 1,400 to 2,000 calories and in from uh 1,400 to 2,000 calories and in from uh 1,400 to 2,000 calories and in the process lost 10 pounds. the process lost 10 pounds. the process lost 10 pounds. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Great job. &gt;&gt; Great job. &gt;&gt; Great job. &gt;&gt; Killer. Awesome. &gt;&gt; Killer. Awesome. &gt;&gt; Killer. Awesome. &gt;&gt; Really good job. And how how is that all &gt;&gt; Really good job. And how how is that all &gt;&gt; Really good job. And how how is that all going now? Where where are you at? Are going now? Where where are you at? Are going now? Where where are you at? Are you still tracking? Are you moving out you still tracking? Are you moving out you still tracking? Are you moving out of that phase? What's going on? of that phase? What's going on? of that phase? What's going on? &gt;&gt; I am still tracking because I'm afraid &gt;&gt; I am still tracking because I'm afraid &gt;&gt; I am still tracking because I'm afraid anytime I try to do it on my own and anytime I try to do it on my own and anytime I try to do it on my own and just track protein, I go way over on just track protein, I go way over on just track protein, I go way over on fat. I love peanut butter and cheese and fat. I love peanut butter and cheese and fat. I love peanut butter and cheese and if I'm not watching the fat, I'll get if I'm not watching the fat, I'll get if I'm not watching the fat, I'll get way off. So, I do I do track it, but uh way off. So, I do I do track it, but uh way off. So, I do I do track it, but uh right now I'm I stay between 2100 and right now I'm I stay between 2100 and right now I'm I stay between 2100 and 2200 calories. 2200 calories. 2200 calories. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Um I'm getting 184 gram of protein, 200 &gt;&gt; Um I'm getting 184 gram of protein, 200 &gt;&gt; Um I'm getting 184 gram of protein, 200 carbs, and 75 fat right now. carbs, and 75 fat right now. carbs, and 75 fat right now. &gt;&gt; You're doing great. &gt;&gt; You're doing great. &gt;&gt; You're doing great. &gt;&gt; I'm doing great. &gt;&gt; I'm doing great. &gt;&gt; I'm doing great. &gt;&gt; You're doing great. So, &gt;&gt; You're doing great. So, &gt;&gt; You're doing great. So, &gt;&gt; that's not too much for protein. &gt;&gt; that's not too much for protein. &gt;&gt; that's not too much for protein. &gt;&gt; No, you're fine. You're in a great &gt;&gt; No, you're fine. You're in a great &gt;&gt; No, you're fine. You're in a great place. So here's the and then here is place. So here's the and then here is place. So here's the and then here is the next phase for you with nutrition the next phase for you with nutrition the next phase for you with nutrition because you're in this great place. The because you're in this great place. The because you're in this great place. The next phase so it's another big hurdle. next phase so it's another big hurdle. next phase so it's another big hurdle. Okay. So like the initial hurdle people Okay. So like the initial hurdle people Okay. So like the initial hurdle people tend to go through is they start tend to go through is they start tend to go through is they start tracking and then the next hurdle is tracking and then the next hurdle is tracking and then the next hurdle is increasing my calories. The fear of oh increasing my calories. The fear of oh increasing my calories. The fear of oh my god am I gaining all this body fat? my god am I gaining all this body fat? my god am I gaining all this body fat? So that's a hurdle. Now you're through So that's a hurdle. Now you're through So that's a hurdle. Now you're through that and now you're in this kind of like that and now you're in this kind of like that and now you're in this kind of like I track everything state. The next big I track everything state. The next big I track everything state. The next big hurdle is going to be moving out of hurdle is going to be moving out of hurdle is going to be moving out of that. So you kind of have this relaxed that. So you kind of have this relaxed that. So you kind of have this relaxed attitude around diet and don't feel like attitude around diet and don't feel like attitude around diet and don't feel like you have to count everything. It's a big you have to count everything. It's a big you have to count everything. It's a big hurdle, but that's the next one for you. hurdle, but that's the next one for you. hurdle, but that's the next one for you. So that's what you get to look forward So that's what you get to look forward So that's what you get to look forward to. But just like the previous ones, to. But just like the previous ones, to. But just like the previous ones, it's going to feel scary and there's it's going to feel scary and there's it's going to feel scary and there's going to be a little bit of back and going to be a little bit of back and going to be a little bit of back and forth, okay? But I don't want you to be forth, okay? But I don't want you to be forth, okay? But I don't want you to be like worry about it. Don't fear it. Uh like worry about it. Don't fear it. Uh like worry about it. Don't fear it. Uh it's coming and when you get there, it's it's coming and when you get there, it's it's coming and when you get there, it's going to be great because you're not going to be great because you're not going to be great because you're not going to need you're not going to feel going to need you're not going to feel going to need you're not going to feel like you need to track everything. like you need to track everything. like you need to track everything. You'll have tracking in your back pocket You'll have tracking in your back pocket You'll have tracking in your back pocket for those times when you want to kind of for those times when you want to kind of for those times when you want to kind of dip in and out of it, see where things dip in and out of it, see where things dip in and out of it, see where things are at, but you're not going to have to are at, but you're not going to have to are at, but you're not going to have to live there. As far as the programming is live there. As far as the programming is live there. As far as the programming is concerned, before you started MAPS concerned, before you started MAPS concerned, before you started MAPS anabolic, what was your strength anabolic, what was your strength anabolic, what was your strength training like? Were you doing training like? Were you doing training like? Were you doing traditional strength training or was it traditional strength training or was it traditional strength training or was it the the videos and stuff that you talked the the videos and stuff that you talked the the videos and stuff that you talked about, you know, that you started? Okay. about, you know, that you started? Okay. about, you know, that you started? Okay. Lindsay Lindsay had me on um she wanted Lindsay Lindsay had me on um she wanted Lindsay Lindsay had me on um she wanted to keep with the same schedule that I to keep with the same schedule that I to keep with the same schedule that I was working out and I was doing it five was working out and I was doing it five was working out and I was doing it five days a week. So she scheduled me days a week. So she scheduled me days a week. So she scheduled me something for for those five days that I something for for those five days that I something for for those five days that I was normally doing it anyway, not to was normally doing it anyway, not to was normally doing it anyway, not to disrupt my routine. So she would have me disrupt my routine. So she would have me disrupt my routine. So she would have me lifting three days a week. Um upper body lifting three days a week. Um upper body lifting three days a week. Um upper body one day, lower body the next, and then a one day, lower body the next, and then a one day, lower body the next, and then a full body. full body. full body. &gt;&gt; Okay, good. &gt;&gt; Okay, good. &gt;&gt; Okay, good. &gt;&gt; And then she had a day of yoga and a day &gt;&gt; And then she had a day of yoga and a day &gt;&gt; And then she had a day of yoga and a day of just doing core. of just doing core. of just doing core. &gt;&gt; Oh, great. &gt;&gt; Oh, great. &gt;&gt; Oh, great. &gt;&gt; Nice. And how did you how do you feel &gt;&gt; Nice. And how did you how do you feel &gt;&gt; Nice. And how did you how do you feel with your uh with the traditional with your uh with the traditional with your uh with the traditional strength training lifts? Do you feel strength training lifts? Do you feel strength training lifts? Do you feel confident and solid or do you feel like confident and solid or do you feel like confident and solid or do you feel like it's still, you know, like it's still, you know, like it's still, you know, like &gt;&gt; I do I feel more confident and solid &gt;&gt; I do I feel more confident and solid &gt;&gt; I do I feel more confident and solid now. Obviously, I've been doing it a now. Obviously, I've been doing it a now. Obviously, I've been doing it a year, but there were times that I had to year, but there were times that I had to year, but there were times that I had to research how to do the proper form and research how to do the proper form and research how to do the proper form and all of that because I didn't have her all of that because I didn't have her all of that because I didn't have her right there with me. right there with me. right there with me. &gt;&gt; Okay. Um, &gt;&gt; Okay. Um, &gt;&gt; Okay. Um, and then of course I've been looking at and then of course I've been looking at and then of course I've been looking at the um the mass programs and those the um the mass programs and those the um the mass programs and those videos and um I'm I'm doing a a barbell videos and um I'm I'm doing a a barbell videos and um I'm I'm doing a a barbell back squat of 120 lbs right now. back squat of 120 lbs right now. back squat of 120 lbs right now. &gt;&gt; Wow. &gt;&gt; Wow. &gt;&gt; Wow. &gt;&gt; Great. That's great. &gt;&gt; Great. That's great. &gt;&gt; Great. That's great. &gt;&gt; And I weigh 116. So I figured &gt;&gt; And I weigh 116. So I figured &gt;&gt; And I weigh 116. So I figured &gt;&gt; that's awesome. And you feel you feel &gt;&gt; that's awesome. And you feel you feel &gt;&gt; that's awesome. And you feel you feel confident and solid in it, stable. confident and solid in it, stable. confident and solid in it, stable. Everything feels good. Everything feels good. Everything feels good. &gt;&gt; Yes. But I was going to ask I I've been &gt;&gt; Yes. But I was going to ask I I've been &gt;&gt; Yes. But I was going to ask I I've been hearing you guys talk about more about hearing you guys talk about more about hearing you guys talk about more about like getting a more range of motion with like getting a more range of motion with like getting a more range of motion with the the back squat and getting all the the the back squat and getting all the the the back squat and getting all the way down. way down. way down. &gt;&gt; And if I don't have any weight, I can &gt;&gt; And if I don't have any weight, I can &gt;&gt; And if I don't have any weight, I can get all the way down. So I don't think I get all the way down. So I don't think I get all the way down. So I don't think I have any mobility issues with that. But have any mobility issues with that. But have any mobility issues with that. But at that weight, I can't get all the way. at that weight, I can't get all the way. at that weight, I can't get all the way. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Lower the weight. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Lower the weight. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Lower the weight. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So I'm going to give you some &gt;&gt; Yeah. So I'm going to give you some &gt;&gt; Yeah. So I'm going to give you some advice with this. So it's a slow so advice with this. So it's a slow so advice with this. So it's a slow so increasing range of motion. increasing range of motion. increasing range of motion. &gt;&gt; Uh you want to respect it. This is where &gt;&gt; Uh you want to respect it. This is where &gt;&gt; Uh you want to respect it. This is where injury happens when people push it too injury happens when people push it too injury happens when people push it too fast and too far. fast and too far. fast and too far. &gt;&gt; And so you would cut the weight way &gt;&gt; And so you would cut the weight way &gt;&gt; And so you would cut the weight way down. So if you're squatting 120, go down. So if you're squatting 120, go down. So if you're squatting 120, go down to 60 down to 60 down to 60 &gt;&gt; and and go down very controlled &gt;&gt; and and go down very controlled &gt;&gt; and and go down very controlled &gt;&gt; exercise, &gt;&gt; exercise, &gt;&gt; exercise, &gt;&gt; very tight. And go down like a few &gt;&gt; very tight. And go down like a few &gt;&gt; very tight. And go down like a few inches lower than you're used to. Not inches lower than you're used to. Not inches lower than you're used to. Not all the way down, like a few inches. all the way down, like a few inches. all the way down, like a few inches. &gt;&gt; Pause at the bottom. Stay tight. Come up &gt;&gt; Pause at the bottom. Stay tight. Come up &gt;&gt; Pause at the bottom. Stay tight. Come up and just really make the weight uh feel and just really make the weight uh feel and just really make the weight uh feel hard through control and stability. hard through control and stability. hard through control and stability. That's how you increase range of motion. That's how you increase range of motion. That's how you increase range of motion. What you don't want to do is just push What you don't want to do is just push What you don't want to do is just push yourself to go all the way down uh with yourself to go all the way down uh with yourself to go all the way down uh with a heavy weight because you don't have a heavy weight because you don't have a heavy weight because you don't have the stability yet and that that's where the stability yet and that that's where the stability yet and that that's where injury happens. So, you would literally injury happens. So, you would literally injury happens. So, you would literally go 50%. It's like a big cut in weight. go 50%. It's like a big cut in weight. go 50%. It's like a big cut in weight. &gt;&gt; Slow way down. Even pause at the bottom &gt;&gt; Slow way down. Even pause at the bottom &gt;&gt; Slow way down. Even pause at the bottom and just make sure you're connected to and just make sure you're connected to and just make sure you're connected to every every bit of that rep. Latasha, every every bit of that rep. Latasha, every every bit of that rep. Latasha, are you are you in our private forum are you are you in our private forum are you are you in our private forum yet? yet? yet? &gt;&gt; Um I'm in on the school forum. &gt;&gt; Um I'm in on the school forum. &gt;&gt; Um I'm in on the school forum. &gt;&gt; Okay. I'm going to I'm going to have &gt;&gt; Okay. I'm going to I'm going to have &gt;&gt; Okay. I'm going to I'm going to have Doug put you in the Mind Pump private Doug put you in the Mind Pump private Doug put you in the Mind Pump private forum. One of the one of my favorite forum. One of the one of my favorite forum. One of the one of my favorite things that people do in there is you things that people do in there is you things that people do in there is you got a bunch of coaches, trainers, a lot got a bunch of coaches, trainers, a lot got a bunch of coaches, trainers, a lot of our our people that are in there and of our our people that are in there and of our our people that are in there and uh they'll they'll share videos of their uh they'll they'll share videos of their uh they'll they'll share videos of their squat, their deadlift, uh to get squat, their deadlift, uh to get squat, their deadlift, uh to get feedback. And so we're all on there, feedback. And so we're all on there, feedback. And so we're all on there, too. And so if you're working on a too. And so if you're working on a too. And so if you're working on a movement like that and you're trying to movement like that and you're trying to movement like that and you're trying to and just do prop your phone up, get a and just do prop your phone up, get a and just do prop your phone up, get a video of yourself squatting or video of yourself squatting or video of yourself squatting or deadlifting deadlifting deadlifting &gt;&gt; and and you'll get I mean, we got Dr. &gt;&gt; and and you'll get I mean, we got Dr. &gt;&gt; and and you'll get I mean, we got Dr. Brink in there. We've got in brilliant Brink in there. We've got in brilliant Brink in there. We've got in brilliant minds that can look at the movement and minds that can look at the movement and minds that can look at the movement and give you great cues or say great job, give you great cues or say great job, give you great cues or say great job, you're looking perfect or whatever. The you're looking perfect or whatever. The you're looking perfect or whatever. The forum's great for that. And so I'm going forum's great for that. And so I'm going forum's great for that. And so I'm going to get you in there so you can use that to get you in there so you can use that to get you in there so you can use that for that reason. for that reason. for that reason. &gt;&gt; Do you have a prime pro? &gt;&gt; Do you have a prime pro? &gt;&gt; Do you have a prime pro? &gt;&gt; I do. &gt;&gt; I do. &gt;&gt; I do. &gt;&gt; Good. So, so, so for a trainer &gt;&gt; Good. So, so, so for a trainer &gt;&gt; Good. So, so, so for a trainer especially, very valuable, especially, very valuable, especially, very valuable, &gt;&gt; but go through that and you mentioned &gt;&gt; but go through that and you mentioned &gt;&gt; but go through that and you mentioned you notice some imbalance uh differences you notice some imbalance uh differences you notice some imbalance uh differences between right and left, which is very between right and left, which is very between right and left, which is very common. go in there, pick a couple common. go in there, pick a couple common. go in there, pick a couple movements for the areas that you think movements for the areas that you think movements for the areas that you think you might need help, whether it's hip or you might need help, whether it's hip or you might need help, whether it's hip or ankle or shoulder, whatever, and just ankle or shoulder, whatever, and just ankle or shoulder, whatever, and just practice those movements and stay practice those movements and stay practice those movements and stay connected to throughout the the entire connected to throughout the the entire connected to throughout the the entire way uh that you're doing the movement. way uh that you're doing the movement. way uh that you're doing the movement. That'll help a lot with that. I think uh That'll help a lot with that. I think uh That'll help a lot with that. I think uh performance is great. If you want to try performance is great. If you want to try performance is great. If you want to try scaling back and working on unilateral scaling back and working on unilateral scaling back and working on unilateral stuff, if you don't have maps 15 stuff, if you don't have maps 15 stuff, if you don't have maps 15 symmetry, I'll send that to you. Uh it's symmetry, I'll send that to you. Uh it's symmetry, I'll send that to you. Uh it's Oh, good. So math 15 symmetry would be Oh, good. So math 15 symmetry would be Oh, good. So math 15 symmetry would be another great program to to move to another great program to to move to another great program to to move to because you're only a year into this. Um because you're only a year into this. Um because you're only a year into this. Um and then after that you can jump right. and then after that you can jump right. and then after that you can jump right. &gt;&gt; I mean I like I like performance too &gt;&gt; I mean I like I like performance too &gt;&gt; I mean I like I like performance too though because it's going to address a though because it's going to address a though because it's going to address a lot of the mobility. It's in there. So lot of the mobility. It's in there. So lot of the mobility. It's in there. So &gt;&gt; they're both good. This is really just &gt;&gt; they're both good. This is really just &gt;&gt; they're both good. This is really just you being like do I do I want to drop you being like do I do I want to drop you being like do I do I want to drop the scale scale the volume? the scale scale the volume? the scale scale the volume? &gt;&gt; Any of those three you can't go wrong. &gt;&gt; Any of those three you can't go wrong. &gt;&gt; Any of those three you can't go wrong. Map 15 uh symmetry symmetry symmetry or Map 15 uh symmetry symmetry symmetry or Map 15 uh symmetry symmetry symmetry or performance or any of those three are performance or any of those three are performance or any of those three are great choices after anabolic and and and great choices after anabolic and and and great choices after anabolic and and and where you're at right now. where you're at right now. where you're at right now. &gt;&gt; Okay. So, um, so getting my range of &gt;&gt; Okay. So, um, so getting my range of &gt;&gt; Okay. So, um, so getting my range of motion better with my squat and lowering motion better with my squat and lowering motion better with my squat and lowering the weight. Should I do that? Go ahead the weight. Should I do that? Go ahead the weight. Should I do that? Go ahead and start doing that now during and start doing that now during and start doing that now during anabolic. anabolic. anabolic. &gt;&gt; Yep. Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yep. Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yep. Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; And then should I increase my calories &gt;&gt; And then should I increase my calories &gt;&gt; And then should I increase my calories from where they are? from where they are? from where they are? &gt;&gt; I'm at 2200. &gt;&gt; I'm at 2200. &gt;&gt; I'm at 2200. &gt;&gt; How do you feel? &gt;&gt; How do you feel? &gt;&gt; How do you feel? &gt;&gt; Um, &gt;&gt; Um, &gt;&gt; Um, I feel like it's kind of difficult to I feel like it's kind of difficult to I feel like it's kind of difficult to get that much protein in. And I know if get that much protein in. And I know if get that much protein in. And I know if I increase the calories, I'm going have I increase the calories, I'm going have I increase the calories, I'm going have to increase the protein as well. Um, to increase the protein as well. Um, to increase the protein as well. Um, &gt;&gt; no, no, you don't. You're good. I still &gt;&gt; no, no, you don't. You're good. I still &gt;&gt; no, no, you don't. You're good. I still get hungry. I still get hungry. get hungry. I still get hungry. get hungry. I still get hungry. &gt;&gt; So, if you're hungry, &gt;&gt; So, if you're hungry, &gt;&gt; So, if you're hungry, &gt;&gt; your protein's fine. &gt;&gt; your protein's fine. &gt;&gt; your protein's fine. &gt;&gt; Your protein is fine. You can you can &gt;&gt; Your protein is fine. You can you can &gt;&gt; Your protein is fine. You can you can get it from carbs or fat. Either one. get it from carbs or fat. Either one. get it from carbs or fat. Either one. &gt;&gt; In fact, you you mentioned something &gt;&gt; In fact, you you mentioned something &gt;&gt; In fact, you you mentioned something that makes me think that it might be fat that makes me think that it might be fat that makes me think that it might be fat that you need. Yeah. that you need. Yeah. that you need. Yeah. &gt;&gt; That's where you tend to go when you're &gt;&gt; That's where you tend to go when you're &gt;&gt; That's where you tend to go when you're when you're eating what you you know, when you're eating what you you know, when you're eating what you you know, where you're kind of eating and where you're kind of eating and where you're kind of eating and following. Yes. Okay. So, why don't you following. Yes. Okay. So, why don't you following. Yes. Okay. So, why don't you bump your calories with some fats? bump your calories with some fats? bump your calories with some fats? &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Okay. &gt;&gt; Yeah, that sounds great. &gt;&gt; Yeah, that sounds great. &gt;&gt; Yeah, that sounds great. &gt;&gt; Just give you the green light. Yeah, you &gt;&gt; Just give you the green light. Yeah, you &gt;&gt; Just give you the green light. Yeah, you can go up 100 calories of fats. Go can go up 100 calories of fats. Go can go up 100 calories of fats. Go ahead. ahead. ahead. &gt;&gt; Okay. Um, when I finish anabolic, I was &gt;&gt; Okay. Um, when I finish anabolic, I was &gt;&gt; Okay. Um, when I finish anabolic, I was thinking of doing just like a mini cut, thinking of doing just like a mini cut, thinking of doing just like a mini cut, like decrease the calories for maybe like decrease the calories for maybe like decrease the calories for maybe three weeks and then go into maintenance three weeks and then go into maintenance three weeks and then go into maintenance for one week during whether I'm doing for one week during whether I'm doing for one week during whether I'm doing symmetry or performance. symmetry or performance. symmetry or performance. &gt;&gt; Yep. &gt;&gt; Yep. &gt;&gt; Yep. &gt;&gt; That'd be good. &gt;&gt; That'd be good. &gt;&gt; That'd be good. &gt;&gt; Perfect. Yeah, perfectly fine. This is a &gt;&gt; Perfect. Yeah, perfectly fine. This is a &gt;&gt; Perfect. Yeah, perfectly fine. This is a great place for you, Latasha, because great place for you, Latasha, because great place for you, Latasha, because and I want you to feel it out and I want you to feel it out and I want you to feel it out &gt;&gt; and really take note of what you observe &gt;&gt; and really take note of what you observe &gt;&gt; and really take note of what you observe and how you feel. This is going to make and how you feel. This is going to make and how you feel. This is going to make you a good trainer. you a good trainer. you a good trainer. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Because your clients are going to feel &gt;&gt; Because your clients are going to feel &gt;&gt; Because your clients are going to feel all this stuff as well. And once you all this stuff as well. And once you all this stuff as well. And once you experience it, you you'll be able to experience it, you you'll be able to experience it, you you'll be able to communicate it so much better. communicate it so much better. communicate it so much better. &gt;&gt; There's a lot of other trainers in the &gt;&gt; There's a lot of other trainers in the &gt;&gt; There's a lot of other trainers in the the private forum, too. So, good good the private forum, too. So, good good the private forum, too. So, good good resource for you to communicate with a resource for you to communicate with a resource for you to communicate with a lot of other coaches and trainers that lot of other coaches and trainers that lot of other coaches and trainers that are early in their career, been doing it are early in their career, been doing it are early in their career, been doing it for a long time. You got all of it in for a long time. You got all of it in for a long time. You got all of it in there. there. there. &gt;&gt; Yeah, I' I've been enjoying the school &gt;&gt; Yeah, I' I've been enjoying the school &gt;&gt; Yeah, I' I've been enjoying the school forum. forum. forum. &gt;&gt; Good. Good. &gt;&gt; Good. Good. &gt;&gt; Good. Good. &gt;&gt; I've asked a few questions on there and &gt;&gt; I've asked a few questions on there and &gt;&gt; I've asked a few questions on there and that um elevator pitch that um elevator pitch that um elevator pitch &gt;&gt; exercise. &gt;&gt; exercise. &gt;&gt; exercise. &gt;&gt; That's a lot. That's going to take me a &gt;&gt; That's a lot. That's going to take me a &gt;&gt; That's a lot. That's going to take me a long time to get through all those, but long time to get through all those, but long time to get through all those, but I'm going to try. That's great. You're I'm going to try. That's great. You're I'm going to try. That's great. You're doing great. doing great. doing great. &gt;&gt; Yeah, this is great. This is a great I'm &gt;&gt; Yeah, this is great. This is a great I'm &gt;&gt; Yeah, this is great. This is a great I'm so glad you called in. This was great. so glad you called in. This was great. so glad you called in. This was great. &gt;&gt; Um &gt;&gt; Um &gt;&gt; Um um one more question if that's okay. Um um one more question if that's okay. Um um one more question if that's okay. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, &gt;&gt; could I substitute in anabolic? Could I &gt;&gt; could I substitute in anabolic? Could I &gt;&gt; could I substitute in anabolic? Could I substitute the Z press for the shoulder substitute the Z press for the shoulder substitute the Z press for the shoulder press? I've heard Adam talk about it. press? I've heard Adam talk about it. press? I've heard Adam talk about it. &gt;&gt; Absolutely. Have you tried it yet? &gt;&gt; Absolutely. Have you tried it yet? &gt;&gt; Absolutely. Have you tried it yet? &gt;&gt; That'd be okay, too. &gt;&gt; That'd be okay, too. &gt;&gt; That'd be okay, too. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; I haven't tried it yet. I watched a &gt;&gt; I haven't tried it yet. I watched a &gt;&gt; I haven't tried it yet. I watched a video how to do it. Yeah. video how to do it. Yeah. video how to do it. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Oh, you got to go real light. So, but &gt;&gt; Oh, you got to go real light. So, but &gt;&gt; Oh, you got to go real light. So, but yeah, absolutely. Great. Great yeah, absolutely. Great. Great yeah, absolutely. Great. Great substitution. No problem. substitution. No problem. substitution. No problem. &gt;&gt; I prefer that. I prefer you to do that. &gt;&gt; I prefer that. I prefer you to do that. &gt;&gt; I prefer that. I prefer you to do that. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I love that. &gt;&gt; All right. Um I think that's all I had. &gt;&gt; All right. Um I think that's all I had. &gt;&gt; All right. Um I think that's all I had. Great question. Great question. Great question. &gt;&gt; Just wanted to make sure I was had my &gt;&gt; Just wanted to make sure I was had my &gt;&gt; Just wanted to make sure I was had my programming right and I was doing that programming right and I was doing that programming right and I was doing that and and about the the macros and the and and about the the macros and the and and about the the macros and the &gt;&gt; good job doing a great job. &gt;&gt; good job doing a great job. &gt;&gt; good job doing a great job. &gt;&gt; Yeah, you're totally on track. Yep. Stay &gt;&gt; Yeah, you're totally on track. Yep. Stay &gt;&gt; Yeah, you're totally on track. Yep. Stay in touch with us. Okay. in touch with us. Okay. in touch with us. Okay. &gt;&gt; All right. Thanks for making yourself so &gt;&gt; All right. Thanks for making yourself so &gt;&gt; All right. Thanks for making yourself so accessible to all. accessible to all. accessible to all. &gt;&gt; Thank Thank you. Keep it up, Latasha. &gt;&gt; Thank Thank you. Keep it up, Latasha. &gt;&gt; Thank Thank you. Keep it up, Latasha. &gt;&gt; Okay. Thanks. &gt;&gt; Okay. Thanks. &gt;&gt; Okay. Thanks. &gt;&gt; Bye. Bye. You know what's encouraging uh &gt;&gt; Bye. Bye. You know what's encouraging uh &gt;&gt; Bye. Bye. You know what's encouraging uh for for for me personally when uh people for for for me personally when uh people for for for me personally when uh people like her call in like her call in like her call in &gt;&gt; uh is uh good trainers are getting into &gt;&gt; uh is uh good trainers are getting into &gt;&gt; uh is uh good trainers are getting into the space. the space. the space. &gt;&gt; She's got the right uh you know motives. &gt;&gt; She's got the right uh you know motives. &gt;&gt; She's got the right uh you know motives. Her character sounds good. Her character sounds good. Her character sounds good. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Uh her her logic and reasoning through &gt;&gt; Uh her her logic and reasoning through &gt;&gt; Uh her her logic and reasoning through all this is like on point. all this is like on point. all this is like on point. &gt;&gt; Yeah. She's humble. It's going to be a &gt;&gt; Yeah. She's humble. It's going to be a &gt;&gt; Yeah. She's humble. It's going to be a great She'll be a great coach. She'll be great She'll be a great coach. She'll be great She'll be a great coach. She'll be able to help a lot of people. Makes me able to help a lot of people. Makes me able to help a lot of people. Makes me feel good. feel good. feel good. &gt;&gt; Now her experience that she's going &gt;&gt; Now her experience that she's going &gt;&gt; Now her experience that she's going through uh will be able to translate through uh will be able to translate through uh will be able to translate really well to coaching people. really well to coaching people. really well to coaching people. &gt;&gt; Totally. Our next caller is Alexandra &gt;&gt; Totally. Our next caller is Alexandra &gt;&gt; Totally. Our next caller is Alexandra from New York. from New York. from New York. &gt;&gt; Alexandra, how are you? &gt;&gt; Alexandra, how are you? &gt;&gt; Alexandra, how are you? &gt;&gt; Hi. Thank you so much for taking my &gt;&gt; Hi. Thank you so much for taking my &gt;&gt; Hi. Thank you so much for taking my call. call. call. &gt;&gt; Yeah, how are you? How can we help you? &gt;&gt; Yeah, how are you? How can we help you? &gt;&gt; Yeah, how are you? How can we help you? &gt;&gt; Uh, good. So, my name is Alexandra. I'm &gt;&gt; Uh, good. So, my name is Alexandra. I'm &gt;&gt; Uh, good. So, my name is Alexandra. I'm 30 years old. I'm a special education 30 years old. I'm a special education 30 years old. I'm a special education teacher. I played sports my whole life, teacher. I played sports my whole life, teacher. I played sports my whole life, mostly basketball through high school. mostly basketball through high school. mostly basketball through high school. And then in college, I was a division And then in college, I was a division And then in college, I was a division one javelin thrower. And that is where I one javelin thrower. And that is where I one javelin thrower. And that is where I learned about strength. So, I really learned about strength. So, I really learned about strength. So, I really fell in love with strength. And I fell in love with strength. And I fell in love with strength. And I started powerlifting after that for started powerlifting after that for started powerlifting after that for about 5 years. While I've achieved a lot about 5 years. While I've achieved a lot about 5 years. While I've achieved a lot athletically, everything was kind of athletically, everything was kind of athletically, everything was kind of against the backdrop of severe binge against the backdrop of severe binge against the backdrop of severe binge eating, restricting, and overex eating, restricting, and overex eating, restricting, and overex exercising. I took a break from exercising. I took a break from exercising. I took a break from powerlifting, just continuing to lift powerlifting, just continuing to lift powerlifting, just continuing to lift for aesthetics. But currently, I started for aesthetics. But currently, I started for aesthetics. But currently, I started running Matt's powerlift because I find running Matt's powerlift because I find running Matt's powerlift because I find that working on strength takes my focus that working on strength takes my focus that working on strength takes my focus off of my appearance and is better for off of my appearance and is better for off of my appearance and is better for my mental health. Regarding fitness, my mental health. Regarding fitness, my mental health. Regarding fitness, however, I still really struggle with however, I still really struggle with however, I still really struggle with badly binge eating, restricting, and badly binge eating, restricting, and badly binge eating, restricting, and overex exercising. Even though I eat overex exercising. Even though I eat overex exercising. Even though I eat mostly whole foods and keep nothing mostly whole foods and keep nothing mostly whole foods and keep nothing processed in my apartment, I find myself processed in my apartment, I find myself processed in my apartment, I find myself spiraling and binging on random healthy spiraling and binging on random healthy spiraling and binging on random healthy foods like rice cakes and oatmeal. I've foods like rice cakes and oatmeal. I've foods like rice cakes and oatmeal. I've gained a lot of weight over the years gained a lot of weight over the years gained a lot of weight over the years from this binge restrict cycle. And I from this binge restrict cycle. And I from this binge restrict cycle. And I just so badly want to feel normal around just so badly want to feel normal around just so badly want to feel normal around food and enjoy a meal out with my family food and enjoy a meal out with my family food and enjoy a meal out with my family or my boyfriend without obsessing over or my boyfriend without obsessing over or my boyfriend without obsessing over calories and macros. I have a master's calories and macros. I have a master's calories and macros. I have a master's degree in nutrition and I've worked with degree in nutrition and I've worked with degree in nutrition and I've worked with countless coaches, therapists, and countless coaches, therapists, and countless coaches, therapists, and dietitians. But this is something I dietitians. But this is something I dietitians. But this is something I can't seem to move past as much as I can't seem to move past as much as I can't seem to move past as much as I know like the logic and the science know like the logic and the science know like the logic and the science behind it. It's really frustrating behind it. It's really frustrating behind it. It's really frustrating because I put so many hours into because I put so many hours into because I put so many hours into training and so much energy into my diet training and so much energy into my diet training and so much energy into my diet and trying to figure this out, but I and trying to figure this out, but I and trying to figure this out, but I feel like I have nothing to show for it. feel like I have nothing to show for it. feel like I have nothing to show for it. I currently run 15 to 20 miles per week. I currently run 15 to 20 miles per week. I currently run 15 to 20 miles per week. I lift four times a week with Maps with I lift four times a week with Maps with I lift four times a week with Maps with Maps Powerlift. And I do Pelaton cycling Maps Powerlift. And I do Pelaton cycling Maps Powerlift. And I do Pelaton cycling classes on my days that I don't run. I classes on my days that I don't run. I classes on my days that I don't run. I eat 14 to,600 calories a day, but my eat 14 to,600 calories a day, but my eat 14 to,600 calories a day, but my binging negates any progress that I ever binging negates any progress that I ever binging negates any progress that I ever make, and I always feel like I'm make, and I always feel like I'm make, and I always feel like I'm starting over. Your show has helped me starting over. Your show has helped me starting over. Your show has helped me so much over the years, but I still so much over the years, but I still so much over the years, but I still really struggle with balance, and I really struggle with balance, and I really struggle with balance, and I would appreciate any advice you can give would appreciate any advice you can give would appreciate any advice you can give me on this. So, me on this. So, me on this. So, &gt;&gt; there's Yeah, &gt;&gt; there's Yeah, &gt;&gt; there's Yeah, &gt;&gt; thanks for calling in. &gt;&gt; thanks for calling in. &gt;&gt; thanks for calling in. &gt;&gt; Y &gt;&gt; Y &gt;&gt; Y &gt;&gt; uh I can tell right now you're really &gt;&gt; uh I can tell right now you're really &gt;&gt; uh I can tell right now you're really excessively hard on yourself. excessively hard on yourself. excessively hard on yourself. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. And the just by the way you're talking And the just by the way you're talking And the just by the way you're talking about it um that how hard you are on about it um that how hard you are on about it um that how hard you are on yourself that shame is contributing uh yourself that shame is contributing uh yourself that shame is contributing uh to this whole cycle and process. So to this whole cycle and process. So to this whole cycle and process. So number one you got to give yourself a number one you got to give yourself a number one you got to give yourself a little bit of grace. You're doing great. little bit of grace. You're doing great. little bit of grace. You're doing great. Uh you said you binge on healthy foods. Uh you said you binge on healthy foods. Uh you said you binge on healthy foods. Uh, and then you said, um, you know, uh, Uh, and then you said, um, you know, uh, Uh, and then you said, um, you know, uh, essentially what I hear from you, um, is essentially what I hear from you, um, is essentially what I hear from you, um, is how disappointed you are in yourself and how disappointed you are in yourself and how disappointed you are in yourself and you don't reflect fitness. And I, first you don't reflect fitness. And I, first you don't reflect fitness. And I, first of all, you do reflect fitness. I could of all, you do reflect fitness. I could of all, you do reflect fitness. I could tell just by looking at your shoulders. tell just by looking at your shoulders. tell just by looking at your shoulders. I think anybody who knows you would I think anybody who knows you would I think anybody who knows you would probably say that. probably say that. probably say that. &gt;&gt; And I don't think you would treat uh a &gt;&gt; And I don't think you would treat uh a &gt;&gt; And I don't think you would treat uh a friend or a family member or somebody friend or a family member or somebody friend or a family member or somebody that you were helping the same way that you were helping the same way that you were helping the same way you're treating yourself. you're treating yourself. you're treating yourself. &gt;&gt; And so that's the root of this. The the &gt;&gt; And so that's the root of this. The the &gt;&gt; And so that's the root of this. The the root of this is uh is that that shame root of this is uh is that that shame root of this is uh is that that shame spiral. and we need to interrupt that. spiral. and we need to interrupt that. spiral. and we need to interrupt that. And it's not natural to interrupt it. And it's not natural to interrupt it. And it's not natural to interrupt it. What's natural for you is what you've What's natural for you is what you've What's natural for you is what you've always done. Okay? So, it's going to always done. Okay? So, it's going to always done. Okay? So, it's going to feel very awkward and weird to interrupt feel very awkward and weird to interrupt feel very awkward and weird to interrupt all of this. So, we got to start with all of this. So, we got to start with all of this. So, we got to start with Let's back up for a second. What does it Let's back up for a second. What does it Let's back up for a second. What does it feel like when you're binging? feel like when you're binging? feel like when you're binging? &gt;&gt; Very out of control. &gt;&gt; Very out of control. &gt;&gt; Very out of control. &gt;&gt; Okay. And &gt;&gt; Okay. And &gt;&gt; Okay. And sometimes it feels like this sounds sometimes it feels like this sounds sometimes it feels like this sounds weird to say, but it almost feels like a weird to say, but it almost feels like a weird to say, but it almost feels like a relief sometimes cuz like relief sometimes cuz like relief sometimes cuz like &gt;&gt; I'm not like tracking anything or &gt;&gt; I'm not like tracking anything or &gt;&gt; I'm not like tracking anything or weighing anything and I'm just like oh weighing anything and I'm just like oh weighing anything and I'm just like oh like I could breathe like and um I've like I could breathe like and um I've like I could breathe like and um I've definitely noticed that like that's definitely noticed that like that's definitely noticed that like that's something cuz I've been trying to pay something cuz I've been trying to pay something cuz I've been trying to pay more attention recently to like like how more attention recently to like like how more attention recently to like like how it feels and stuff and that's something it feels and stuff and that's something it feels and stuff and that's something I've noticed. It feels like a relief but I've noticed. It feels like a relief but I've noticed. It feels like a relief but it also feels like very out of control it also feels like very out of control it also feels like very out of control and like I have to get it in now because and like I have to get it in now because and like I have to get it in now because I'm not going to get it later. Yeah. I'm not going to get it later. Yeah. I'm not going to get it later. Yeah. That's because because you needed the That's because because you needed the That's because because you needed the break because before the binge uh you break because before the binge uh you break because before the binge uh you were were were &gt;&gt; starving yourself &gt;&gt; starving yourself &gt;&gt; starving yourself &gt;&gt; and you were you were you were holding &gt;&gt; and you were you were you were holding &gt;&gt; and you were you were you were holding you were tyrannizing yourself. you were tyrannizing yourself. you were tyrannizing yourself. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; So it's like you live uh under the roof &gt;&gt; So it's like you live uh under the roof &gt;&gt; So it's like you live uh under the roof of a parent that's just constantly of a parent that's just constantly of a parent that's just constantly criticizing you, constantly controlling criticizing you, constantly controlling criticizing you, constantly controlling you you you &gt;&gt; with shame and criticism and control. &gt;&gt; with shame and criticism and control. &gt;&gt; with shame and criticism and control. And then you just can't handle anymore. And then you just can't handle anymore. And then you just can't handle anymore. and you escape just to get a break for a and you escape just to get a break for a and you escape just to get a break for a day so you can come back to that uh that day so you can come back to that uh that day so you can come back to that uh that household that criticizes you. And part household that criticizes you. And part household that criticizes you. And part of the fear is that if you don't uh of the fear is that if you don't uh of the fear is that if you don't uh criticize yourself and control yourself criticize yourself and control yourself criticize yourself and control yourself that you're going to live in that that you're going to live in that that you're going to live in that escape. escape. escape. So if I don't control this all the time, So if I don't control this all the time, So if I don't control this all the time, then that binge is going to be how I'm then that binge is going to be how I'm then that binge is going to be how I'm going to be all the time. going to be all the time. going to be all the time. &gt;&gt; But that's a lie. That's actually a lie. &gt;&gt; But that's a lie. That's actually a lie. &gt;&gt; But that's a lie. That's actually a lie. That's not true. That's not true. That's not true. &gt;&gt; That's actually a lie. uh the binge and &gt;&gt; That's actually a lie. uh the binge and &gt;&gt; That's actually a lie. uh the binge and the escape and the relief that you feel the escape and the relief that you feel the escape and the relief that you feel is coming from the overcontrol and is coming from the overcontrol and is coming from the overcontrol and criticism and hate uh that you're that criticism and hate uh that you're that criticism and hate uh that you're that you're you're giving to yourself. you're you're giving to yourself. you're you're giving to yourself. &gt;&gt; It's also coming from your body &gt;&gt; It's also coming from your body &gt;&gt; It's also coming from your body screaming at you that you need to feed screaming at you that you need to feed screaming at you that you need to feed me. me. me. &gt;&gt; On top of it, &gt;&gt; On top of it, &gt;&gt; On top of it, &gt;&gt; you with uh the amount of training, &gt;&gt; you with uh the amount of training, &gt;&gt; you with uh the amount of training, running, and cycling you're doing running, and cycling you're doing running, and cycling you're doing &gt;&gt; 1,600 calories is starving your body. &gt;&gt; 1,600 calories is starving your body. &gt;&gt; 1,600 calories is starving your body. &gt;&gt; Like you should be double that with that &gt;&gt; Like you should be double that with that &gt;&gt; Like you should be double that with that kind of activity. So, and so you're kind of activity. So, and so you're kind of activity. So, and so you're doing that for days on I don't know how doing that for days on I don't know how doing that for days on I don't know how many days in a row you get of 1,600 many days in a row you get of 1,600 many days in a row you get of 1,600 calories in training that way and your calories in training that way and your calories in training that way and your body is trying to tell you every day, we body is trying to tell you every day, we body is trying to tell you every day, we need a lot more fuel than this. We need need a lot more fuel than this. We need need a lot more fuel than this. We need a lot more fuel than this. And then you a lot more fuel than this. And then you a lot more fuel than this. And then you finally break. And so part of what S is finally break. And so part of what S is finally break. And so part of what S is saying is true. So is also the part that saying is true. So is also the part that saying is true. So is also the part that you need to be fed way more than that. you need to be fed way more than that. you need to be fed way more than that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; Way more than that. So you're not only &gt;&gt; Way more than that. So you're not only &gt;&gt; Way more than that. So you're not only are you wrestling with this this are you wrestling with this this are you wrestling with this this psychological thing that you're going psychological thing that you're going psychological thing that you're going back and forth and punishing yourself back and forth and punishing yourself back and forth and punishing yourself thing, but you're also wrestling with thing, but you're also wrestling with thing, but you're also wrestling with your body needs way more than that. your body needs way more than that. your body needs way more than that. That's like a double whammy. The the the That's like a double whammy. The the the That's like a double whammy. The the the answer is somewhere in the middle of answer is somewhere in the middle of answer is somewhere in the middle of this and you'll be okay, especially if this and you'll be okay, especially if this and you'll be okay, especially if you're a whole foods eater. Like you're you're a whole foods eater. Like you're you're a whole foods eater. Like you're going to be going to be going to be &gt;&gt; you're going to be all right. &gt;&gt; you're going to be all right. &gt;&gt; you're going to be all right. &gt;&gt; Do you do can you do you think is would &gt;&gt; Do you do can you do you think is would &gt;&gt; Do you do can you do you think is would it be too much to cut down your training it be too much to cut down your training it be too much to cut down your training and eat more? Would that be too big of a and eat more? Would that be too big of a and eat more? Would that be too big of a step? And you could be totally honest. step? And you could be totally honest. step? And you could be totally honest. I mean, I I worked with a coach and I I mean, I I worked with a coach and I I mean, I I worked with a coach and I did it before and I cut my running like did it before and I cut my running like did it before and I cut my running like in half and I I was so scared that I was in half and I I was so scared that I was in half and I I was so scared that I was going to like blow up because I've been going to like blow up because I've been going to like blow up because I've been doing that for so many years. Like I've doing that for so many years. Like I've doing that for so many years. Like I've been running so much for so many years. been running so much for so many years. been running so much for so many years. But and like I didn't. But I think that But and like I didn't. But I think that But and like I didn't. But I think that adding food in addition to that would be adding food in addition to that would be adding food in addition to that would be like scary for me. And that's that's like scary for me. And that's that's like scary for me. And that's that's really what I feel like cuz I know I really what I feel like cuz I know I really what I feel like cuz I know I need to eat more. Like I know that the need to eat more. Like I know that the need to eat more. Like I know that the binging is like my body wanting more binging is like my body wanting more binging is like my body wanting more food. Yes. food. Yes. food. Yes. &gt;&gt; Especially because I'm binging on like &gt;&gt; Especially because I'm binging on like &gt;&gt; Especially because I'm binging on like rice cakes and oatmeal. Like I'm not rice cakes and oatmeal. Like I'm not rice cakes and oatmeal. Like I'm not even binging on like junk food anymore. even binging on like junk food anymore. even binging on like junk food anymore. It's more of just like whatever I can It's more of just like whatever I can It's more of just like whatever I can get. get. get. &gt;&gt; Um so I know that my body needs more &gt;&gt; Um so I know that my body needs more &gt;&gt; Um so I know that my body needs more food, but I feel so guilty when I do eat food, but I feel so guilty when I do eat food, but I feel so guilty when I do eat more food and then that will set off me more food and then that will set off me more food and then that will set off me into like a spiral. into like a spiral. into like a spiral. &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, uh let's take one step. Let's &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, uh let's take one step. Let's &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, uh let's take one step. Let's take one step first. Uh and it is going take one step first. Uh and it is going take one step first. Uh and it is going to be scary. So it's going to suck. Uh to be scary. So it's going to suck. Uh to be scary. So it's going to suck. Uh but we do got to take a step. So it's but we do got to take a step. So it's but we do got to take a step. So it's going to be either eat more uh or it's going to be either eat more uh or it's going to be either eat more uh or it's going to be train less. and you can pick going to be train less. and you can pick going to be train less. and you can pick which one and the next step is now which one and the next step is now which one and the next step is now here's the thing I I I got to here's the thing I I I got to here's the thing I I I got to communicate to you. You're not going to communicate to you. You're not going to communicate to you. You're not going to think your way out of this because I think your way out of this because I think your way out of this because I think you know all the stuff and I think think you know all the stuff and I think think you know all the stuff and I think you did what the coach told you because you did what the coach told you because you did what the coach told you because you were like okay this is the right you were like okay this is the right you were like okay this is the right thing to do but it never moved from your thing to do but it never moved from your thing to do but it never moved from your head to your heart. In other words, it head to your heart. In other words, it head to your heart. In other words, it never became like you felt this was the never became like you felt this was the never became like you felt this was the right thing. It was like I know this is right thing. It was like I know this is right thing. It was like I know this is the right thing but it still feels like the right thing but it still feels like the right thing but it still feels like I got to beat myself up. It still feels I got to beat myself up. It still feels I got to beat myself up. It still feels like I got to go back. which is why you like I got to go back. which is why you like I got to go back. which is why you probably went back to so much running uh probably went back to so much running uh probably went back to so much running uh and why you kind of whatever rebound it and why you kind of whatever rebound it and why you kind of whatever rebound it or whatever you know word you want to or whatever you know word you want to or whatever you know word you want to use. So you're not going to think your use. So you're not going to think your use. So you're not going to think your way out of this. So what we have to do way out of this. So what we have to do way out of this. So what we have to do is we have to change your your just the is we have to change your your just the is we have to change your your just the feeling around it. You know we have to feeling around it. You know we have to feeling around it. You know we have to change your heart essentially which change your heart essentially which change your heart essentially which means you're going to have to interrupt means you're going to have to interrupt means you're going to have to interrupt some of these cycles and that's going to some of these cycles and that's going to some of these cycles and that's going to be really uncomfortable. So here's what be really uncomfortable. So here's what be really uncomfortable. So here's what that looks like. A lot of pausing, a lot that looks like. A lot of pausing, a lot that looks like. A lot of pausing, a lot of reflecting, a lot of journaling and of reflecting, a lot of journaling and of reflecting, a lot of journaling and it's going to and you're not going to it's going to and you're not going to it's going to and you're not going to want to in the middle of a binge or want to in the middle of a binge or want to in the middle of a binge or right before a binge. The last thing right before a binge. The last thing right before a binge. The last thing you're going to want to do is take out a you're going to want to do is take out a you're going to want to do is take out a piece of paper and write what you're piece of paper and write what you're piece of paper and write what you're feeling because all we want to do in feeling because all we want to do in feeling because all we want to do in that state of mind is stay totally uh that state of mind is stay totally uh that state of mind is stay totally uh out of mind. We want to just let go out of mind. We want to just let go out of mind. We want to just let go because that's all we want. And so we because that's all we want. And so we because that's all we want. And so we have to interrupt that with journaling. have to interrupt that with journaling. have to interrupt that with journaling. And the journaling might look like uh I And the journaling might look like uh I And the journaling might look like uh I I just want to eat 15 rice cakes or I I just want to eat 15 rice cakes or I I just want to eat 15 rice cakes or I just want to go crazy on oatmeal. And just want to go crazy on oatmeal. And just want to go crazy on oatmeal. And then you just keep writing and keep then you just keep writing and keep then you just keep writing and keep writing. And then it may be like, I writing. And then it may be like, I writing. And then it may be like, I actually need to eat more. I think the actually need to eat more. I think the actually need to eat more. I think the reason why I feel this way is cuz I'm reason why I feel this way is cuz I'm reason why I feel this way is cuz I'm eating too little. And then keep writing eating too little. And then keep writing eating too little. And then keep writing and keep writing. I just want to go. I and keep writing. I just want to go. I and keep writing. I just want to go. I just want to stop. I hate this. And then just want to stop. I hate this. And then just want to stop. I hate this. And then keep writing. And then keep writing. And keep writing. And then keep writing. And keep writing. And then keep writing. And then stop. And then go do what you need then stop. And then go do what you need then stop. And then go do what you need to do. And then when you when you're to do. And then when you when you're to do. And then when you when you're done with it, come back. And you're done with it, come back. And you're done with it, come back. And you're going to write again. And what you're going to write again. And what you're going to write again. And what you're going to write is, I love you. I forgive going to write is, I love you. I forgive going to write is, I love you. I forgive you. This is hard. This is tough. I'm you. This is hard. This is tough. I'm you. This is hard. This is tough. I'm going to keep moving. And it's going to going to keep moving. And it's going to going to keep moving. And it's going to suck. It's going to feel super awkward. suck. It's going to feel super awkward. suck. It's going to feel super awkward. it's going to feel like I don't want to it's going to feel like I don't want to it's going to feel like I don't want to do this, but it's a ch it has you have do this, but it's a ch it has you have do this, but it's a ch it has you have to interrupt those behaviors and start to interrupt those behaviors and start to interrupt those behaviors and start that process. And so it's got to be a that process. And so it's got to be a that process. And so it's got to be a conscious effort of making yourself feel conscious effort of making yourself feel conscious effort of making yourself feel awkward through this process. But uh I awkward through this process. But uh I awkward through this process. But uh I would start with personally I would would start with personally I would would start with personally I would prefer you to eat more first. But if you prefer you to eat more first. But if you prefer you to eat more first. But if you feel like that's too big of a step, cut feel like that's too big of a step, cut feel like that's too big of a step, cut down your exercise and then when you down your exercise and then when you down your exercise and then when you feel like I can take the next step, then feel like I can take the next step, then feel like I can take the next step, then take the next step. Th this is um I mean take the next step. Th this is um I mean take the next step. Th this is um I mean I would I would love for you to work I would I would love for you to work I would I would love for you to work with one of our coaches just because I with one of our coaches just because I with one of our coaches just because I feel like S and us are trying to cram feel like S and us are trying to cram feel like S and us are trying to cram all of this in in one call and this is all of this in in one call and this is all of this in in one call and this is not a one call conversation. It's not a not a one call conversation. It's not a not a one call conversation. It's not a like like uh no matter how smart we are like like uh no matter how smart we are like like uh no matter how smart we are and all the answers that we can give and all the answers that we can give and all the answers that we can give you. you. you. &gt;&gt; This will take like six months to &gt;&gt; This will take like six months to &gt;&gt; This will take like six months to &gt;&gt; Yeah. This is it's it's it's hard and it &gt;&gt; Yeah. This is it's it's it's hard and it &gt;&gt; Yeah. This is it's it's it's hard and it will be hard and they'll be we can give will be hard and they'll be we can give will be hard and they'll be we can give you all the right answers. you can go you all the right answers. you can go you all the right answers. you can go start to apply them and then you're start to apply them and then you're start to apply them and then you're going to have a challenge, a plateau, a going to have a challenge, a plateau, a going to have a challenge, a plateau, a setback, a struggle and to not have, you setback, a struggle and to not have, you setback, a struggle and to not have, you know, the coach in your ear to go like, know, the coach in your ear to go like, know, the coach in your ear to go like, "Hey, you're doing a great job. This is "Hey, you're doing a great job. This is "Hey, you're doing a great job. This is perfect. This is exactly what I expect." perfect. This is exactly what I expect." perfect. This is exactly what I expect." Um, that's the hard part, you know, like Um, that's the hard part, you know, like Um, that's the hard part, you know, like we can tell you all day long what you we can tell you all day long what you we can tell you all day long what you need to do. I feel like you know what need to do. I feel like you know what need to do. I feel like you know what you kind of need to do. It's kind of you kind of need to do. It's kind of you kind of need to do. It's kind of having somebody along that process having somebody along that process having somebody along that process through you. So, if you were open to uh, through you. So, if you were open to uh, through you. So, if you were open to uh, you know, going with a coach, I'd love you know, going with a coach, I'd love you know, going with a coach, I'd love one of my trainers to to work through one of my trainers to to work through one of my trainers to to work through this with you because I I know that it's this with you because I I know that it's this with you because I I know that it's not easy. That positive selft talk is so not easy. That positive selft talk is so not easy. That positive selft talk is so powerful. If you can just start powerful. If you can just start powerful. If you can just start incorporating that somehow, whether incorporating that somehow, whether incorporating that somehow, whether journaling or saying it to yourself or, journaling or saying it to yourself or, journaling or saying it to yourself or, you know, really giving yourself that you know, really giving yourself that you know, really giving yourself that grace is going to move the needle for grace is going to move the needle for grace is going to move the needle for sure. sure. sure. &gt;&gt; Alexandra, it probably feels so weird to &gt;&gt; Alexandra, it probably feels so weird to &gt;&gt; Alexandra, it probably feels so weird to try to give yourself grace because try to give yourself grace because try to give yourself grace because you're afraid if you give yourself too you're afraid if you give yourself too you're afraid if you give yourself too much grace, then you're going to go off much grace, then you're going to go off much grace, then you're going to go off the deep ends and get obese. the deep ends and get obese. the deep ends and get obese. Yeah. Like I I am so scared that like Yeah. Like I I am so scared that like Yeah. Like I I am so scared that like once I stop tracking or once I stop like once I stop tracking or once I stop like once I stop tracking or once I stop like weighing myself that I'm just going to weighing myself that I'm just going to weighing myself that I'm just going to blow up. That's right. blow up. That's right. blow up. That's right. &gt;&gt; And like I'm I also like I'm so used to &gt;&gt; And like I'm I also like I'm so used to &gt;&gt; And like I'm I also like I'm so used to being an athlete where like you just do being an athlete where like you just do being an athlete where like you just do more. Yeah. more. Yeah. more. Yeah. &gt;&gt; And I'm I'm also like 15 years removed &gt;&gt; And I'm I'm also like 15 years removed &gt;&gt; And I'm I'm also like 15 years removed from that. So I don't know why like I'm from that. So I don't know why like I'm from that. So I don't know why like I'm so stuck in that mindset, but I I can't so stuck in that mindset, but I I can't so stuck in that mindset, but I I can't seem to like break out of it. seem to like break out of it. seem to like break out of it. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Stop. Stop right there. You're &gt;&gt; Yeah. Stop. Stop right there. You're &gt;&gt; Yeah. Stop. Stop right there. You're doing it again. doing it again. doing it again. &gt;&gt; Yeah. You're giving you're you're &gt;&gt; Yeah. You're giving you're you're &gt;&gt; Yeah. You're giving you're you're beating yourself up a little bit. beating yourself up a little bit. beating yourself up a little bit. &gt;&gt; Super normal. Yep. &gt;&gt; Super normal. Yep. &gt;&gt; Super normal. Yep. &gt;&gt; This is almost everybody in the fitness &gt;&gt; This is almost everybody in the fitness &gt;&gt; This is almost everybody in the fitness industry. Okay. Every trainer and industry. Okay. Every trainer and industry. Okay. Every trainer and fitness influencer knows exactly what fitness influencer knows exactly what fitness influencer knows exactly what you're talking about. Uh so, but I'm you're talking about. Uh so, but I'm you're talking about. Uh so, but I'm telling you right now, it's a lie. Y telling you right now, it's a lie. Y telling you right now, it's a lie. Y &gt;&gt; it's a lie that if you don't beat &gt;&gt; it's a lie that if you don't beat &gt;&gt; it's a lie that if you don't beat yourself up that that the other end of yourself up that that the other end of yourself up that that the other end of that is worse. You can't hate yourself that is worse. You can't hate yourself that is worse. You can't hate yourself into better health. That's what you're into better health. That's what you're into better health. That's what you're feeling right now. feeling right now. feeling right now. &gt;&gt; It feels like mental mental turmoil. &gt;&gt; It feels like mental mental turmoil. &gt;&gt; It feels like mental mental turmoil. &gt;&gt; Uh which is what what I hear from you. &gt;&gt; Uh which is what what I hear from you. &gt;&gt; Uh which is what what I hear from you. Right. And and so but it's a total lie Right. And and so but it's a total lie Right. And and so but it's a total lie that if I don't hate myself and I don't that if I don't hate myself and I don't that if I don't hate myself and I don't keep it my thumb on myself and I don't keep it my thumb on myself and I don't keep it my thumb on myself and I don't control myself, I'm going to go in this control myself, I'm going to go in this control myself, I'm going to go in this crazy other direction. So I have to do crazy other direction. So I have to do crazy other direction. So I have to do that and then every once in a while that and then every once in a while that and then every once in a while interrupt that with like a freedom break interrupt that with like a freedom break interrupt that with like a freedom break like I can't handle this anymore. This like I can't handle this anymore. This like I can't handle this anymore. This pressure is too much. So now what a pressure is too much. So now what a pressure is too much. So now what a coach is going to do cuz giving yourself coach is going to do cuz giving yourself coach is going to do cuz giving yourself grace is so is going to be so it's grace is so is going to be so it's grace is so is going to be so it's alien. alien. alien. &gt;&gt; You're not going to want to do it is &gt;&gt; You're not going to want to do it is &gt;&gt; You're not going to want to do it is you're gonna outsource the grace. So, you're gonna outsource the grace. So, you're gonna outsource the grace. So, you're going to go to your coach and you're going to go to your coach and you're going to go to your coach and you're gonna say, and the more honest you're gonna say, and the more honest you're gonna say, and the more honest you are with the coach, the more you are with the coach, the more you are with the coach, the more effective they're going to be. So, it's effective they're going to be. So, it's effective they're going to be. So, it's gonna be like, "Oh my god, I feel like gonna be like, "Oh my god, I feel like gonna be like, "Oh my god, I feel like an you got to be totally honest. Don't an you got to be totally honest. Don't an you got to be totally honest. Don't be try to be logical. Oh my god, I feel be try to be logical. Oh my god, I feel be try to be logical. Oh my god, I feel like such an idiot." Or, "I can't like such an idiot." Or, "I can't like such an idiot." Or, "I can't believe I'm doing this again." And the believe I'm doing this again." And the believe I'm doing this again." And the coach is going to give you grace and coach is going to give you grace and coach is going to give you grace and then accept it. And then that's going to then accept it. And then that's going to then accept it. And then that's going to teach you to do it for yourself. And teach you to do it for yourself. And teach you to do it for yourself. And again, I'm we're cramming this into a again, I'm we're cramming this into a again, I'm we're cramming this into a 10-minute 10-minute 10-minute &gt;&gt; conversation, but the the the process is &gt;&gt; conversation, but the the the process is &gt;&gt; conversation, but the the the process is going to be you're going to hit these going to be you're going to hit these going to be you're going to hit these roadblocks. You're going to totally roadblocks. You're going to totally roadblocks. You're going to totally stumble. I promise you're going to stumble. I promise you're going to stumble. I promise you're going to stumble throughout the whole process, stumble throughout the whole process, stumble throughout the whole process, &gt;&gt; but little by little by little, it's &gt;&gt; but little by little by little, it's &gt;&gt; but little by little by little, it's going to start to change for you, and going to start to change for you, and going to start to change for you, and you're probably 6 months away from a you're probably 6 months away from a you're probably 6 months away from a radically different uh relationship with radically different uh relationship with radically different uh relationship with this kind of stuff. So, so that's kind this kind of stuff. So, so that's kind this kind of stuff. So, so that's kind of what it's going to look like. Uh, but of what it's going to look like. Uh, but of what it's going to look like. Uh, but I mean, Adam's right. Um, working with I mean, Adam's right. Um, working with I mean, Adam's right. Um, working with somebody through this process is going somebody through this process is going somebody through this process is going to be your best bet, for sure. to be your best bet, for sure. to be your best bet, for sure. &gt;&gt; Yeah. I mean, I've I've dealt with this &gt;&gt; Yeah. I mean, I've I've dealt with this &gt;&gt; Yeah. I mean, I've I've dealt with this for like 17 years at this point, so six for like 17 years at this point, so six for like 17 years at this point, so six months sounds like very fast. Um, you months sounds like very fast. Um, you months sounds like very fast. Um, you know, it's like, okay, it's what's six know, it's like, okay, it's what's six know, it's like, okay, it's what's six more months. But, um, I'm also like a more months. But, um, I'm also like a more months. But, um, I'm also like a little jaded because I've worked with so little jaded because I've worked with so little jaded because I've worked with so many coaches and people that, you know, many coaches and people that, you know, many coaches and people that, you know, promised they were going to help and promised they were going to help and promised they were going to help and then they just threw meal plans at me then they just threw meal plans at me then they just threw meal plans at me and then the second I went off a meal and then the second I went off a meal and then the second I went off a meal plan by a crumb, I would spiral out. plan by a crumb, I would spiral out. plan by a crumb, I would spiral out. &gt;&gt; That's not what you need. That's not &gt;&gt; That's not what you need. That's not &gt;&gt; That's not what you need. That's not what you need. what you need. what you need. &gt;&gt; You don't need a macro coach. That's the &gt;&gt; You don't need a macro coach. That's the &gt;&gt; You don't need a macro coach. That's the wrong No, man. No. That's the opposite. wrong No, man. No. That's the opposite. wrong No, man. No. That's the opposite. &gt;&gt; That's not what you need. &gt;&gt; That's not what you need. &gt;&gt; That's not what you need. &gt;&gt; That's the opposite of what you need. &gt;&gt; That's the opposite of what you need. &gt;&gt; That's the opposite of what you need. &gt;&gt; One, if you when we hang up, we can have &gt;&gt; One, if you when we hang up, we can have &gt;&gt; One, if you when we hang up, we can have one of our coaches call you. one of our one of our coaches call you. one of our one of our coaches call you. one of our trainers. trainers. trainers. &gt;&gt; Yeah, we know the perfect one. &gt;&gt; Yeah, we know the perfect one. &gt;&gt; Yeah, we know the perfect one. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Who's been coached and trained by &gt;&gt; Yeah. Who's been coached and trained by &gt;&gt; Yeah. Who's been coached and trained by us and we oversee all the programs. So, us and we oversee all the programs. So, us and we oversee all the programs. So, that's not what it looks like. that's not what it looks like. that's not what it looks like. &gt;&gt; You don't need macro counting. You don't &gt;&gt; You don't need macro counting. You don't &gt;&gt; You don't need macro counting. You don't need like this crazy structure. Uh need like this crazy structure. Uh need like this crazy structure. Uh follow this diet plan. That's not your follow this diet plan. That's not your follow this diet plan. That's not your solution. solution. solution. &gt;&gt; Yeah. No. I've tried every single macro &gt;&gt; Yeah. No. I've tried every single macro &gt;&gt; Yeah. No. I've tried every single macro amount and amount and amount and &gt;&gt; No, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; No, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; No, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. &gt;&gt; It's I just need to like be okay with &gt;&gt; It's I just need to like be okay with &gt;&gt; It's I just need to like be okay with eating. And also too, like I always eating. And also too, like I always eating. And also too, like I always think about it too, like I've gained think about it too, like I've gained think about it too, like I've gained weight over the years, but for the most weight over the years, but for the most weight over the years, but for the most part my body has stayed within the same part my body has stayed within the same part my body has stayed within the same probably 10 pounds. probably 10 pounds. probably 10 pounds. &gt;&gt; But and that that's with binging. So if &gt;&gt; But and that that's with binging. So if &gt;&gt; But and that that's with binging. So if I would just eat more every day, I would just eat more every day, I would just eat more every day, &gt;&gt; like &gt;&gt; like &gt;&gt; like &gt;&gt; I probably wouldn't gain weight. So I &gt;&gt; I probably wouldn't gain weight. So I &gt;&gt; I probably wouldn't gain weight. So I like logically I know that like logically I know that like logically I know that &gt;&gt; you can't you can't it's got to get out &gt;&gt; you can't you can't it's got to get out &gt;&gt; you can't you can't it's got to get out of your head. You're not going to think of your head. You're not going to think of your head. You're not going to think you're out of it. You have to feel it. you're out of it. You have to feel it. you're out of it. You have to feel it. You're just not feeling it. Well, this You're just not feeling it. Well, this You're just not feeling it. Well, this is this is the reason why I'm I'm is this is the reason why I'm I'm is this is the reason why I'm I'm pointing towards a coach is cuz it's pointing towards a coach is cuz it's pointing towards a coach is cuz it's this is not a you don't know and it's this is not a you don't know and it's this is not a you don't know and it's not a like mathematical equation that we not a like mathematical equation that we not a like mathematical equation that we can answer for you in one phone call and can answer for you in one phone call and can answer for you in one phone call and then you're like, "Oh, perfect. Now I then you're like, "Oh, perfect. Now I then you're like, "Oh, perfect. Now I can go and do it." It's that's not the can go and do it." It's that's not the can go and do it." It's that's not the answer. It's a it's a step-by-step answer. It's a it's a step-by-step answer. It's a it's a step-by-step process and it will be hard and there process and it will be hard and there process and it will be hard and there will be setbacks and there'll be moments will be setbacks and there'll be moments will be setbacks and there'll be moments in this process where you'll get in this process where you'll get in this process where you'll get frustrated. You'll want to beat yourself frustrated. You'll want to beat yourself frustrated. You'll want to beat yourself up. The good coach will tell you, "No, up. The good coach will tell you, "No, up. The good coach will tell you, "No, you're doing great. This is perfect. you're doing great. This is perfect. you're doing great. This is perfect. This is right where I want you." Like This is right where I want you." Like This is right where I want you." Like that's that's what that it's a process that's that's what that it's a process that's that's what that it's a process and you and that's what you have to go and you and that's what you have to go and you and that's what you have to go through. It's not a it's not a through. It's not a it's not a through. It's not a it's not a mathematical formula you're missing. mathematical formula you're missing. mathematical formula you're missing. &gt;&gt; Here's why I think you're going to do &gt;&gt; Here's why I think you're going to do &gt;&gt; Here's why I think you're going to do great because you you went on a a a great because you you went on a a a great because you you went on a a a public podcast. You're talking about public podcast. You're talking about public podcast. You're talking about you're very honest. you're very honest. you're very honest. &gt;&gt; You're not holding anything back. &gt;&gt; You're not holding anything back. &gt;&gt; You're not holding anything back. &gt;&gt; Lots of courage. &gt;&gt; Lots of courage. &gt;&gt; Lots of courage. &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. So that's like the by the &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. So that's like the by the &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. So that's like the by the way that's the biggest hardest step. way that's the biggest hardest step. way that's the biggest hardest step. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; If if I can't get somebody to do what &gt;&gt; If if I can't get somebody to do what &gt;&gt; If if I can't get somebody to do what you're doing, there's no help. There's you're doing, there's no help. There's you're doing, there's no help. There's no hope. no hope. no hope. &gt;&gt; Uh but you're like coming out, you're &gt;&gt; Uh but you're like coming out, you're &gt;&gt; Uh but you're like coming out, you're talking about it. You're very honest talking about it. You're very honest talking about it. You're very honest about it. Uh, I think you're going to do about it. Uh, I think you're going to do about it. Uh, I think you're going to do perfectly fine. perfectly fine. perfectly fine. &gt;&gt; The other side of this is awesome. &gt;&gt; The other side of this is awesome. &gt;&gt; The other side of this is awesome. &gt;&gt; The other side of this is really cool. &gt;&gt; The other side of this is really cool. &gt;&gt; The other side of this is really cool. &gt;&gt; Yeah. It's going to feel relaxed. &gt;&gt; Yeah. It's going to feel relaxed. &gt;&gt; Yeah. It's going to feel relaxed. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; You're going to like this. &gt;&gt; You're going to like this. &gt;&gt; You're going to like this. &gt;&gt; A lot way less effort, way less holding &gt;&gt; A lot way less effort, way less holding &gt;&gt; A lot way less effort, way less holding on and a healthier, fitter, stronger on and a healthier, fitter, stronger on and a healthier, fitter, stronger version of yourself. Totally. version of yourself. Totally. version of yourself. Totally. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; And fuller. Get to eat more. &gt;&gt; And fuller. Get to eat more. &gt;&gt; And fuller. Get to eat more. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah, that sounds nice. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah, that sounds nice. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah, that sounds nice. &gt;&gt; Yes. Yes. Well, when we hang up, we'll &gt;&gt; Yes. Yes. Well, when we hang up, we'll &gt;&gt; Yes. Yes. Well, when we hang up, we'll have we'll have one of our coaches call have we'll have one of our coaches call have we'll have one of our coaches call you and then uh look forward to seeing you and then uh look forward to seeing you and then uh look forward to seeing you. you. you. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Thank &gt;&gt; Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Thank &gt;&gt; Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Thank you. Thanks for calling in. you. Thanks for calling in. you. Thanks for calling in. &gt;&gt; Bye. &gt;&gt; Bye. &gt;&gt; Bye. &gt;&gt; Poor kid. &gt;&gt; Poor kid. &gt;&gt; Poor kid. &gt;&gt; Yeah, I feel that. I know. &gt;&gt; Yeah, I feel that. I know. &gt;&gt; Yeah, I feel that. I know. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. No, there's there's nothing &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. No, there's there's nothing &gt;&gt; Yeah. Yeah. No, there's there's nothing you say in this call that you say in this call that you say in this call that &gt;&gt; Listen, I'll use that. I'll use myself &gt;&gt; Listen, I'll use that. I'll use myself &gt;&gt; Listen, I'll use that. I'll use myself as an example. I know everything about as an example. I know everything about as an example. I know everything about this stuff. Like I talk about it. This this stuff. Like I talk about it. This this stuff. Like I talk about it. This is what I do for a living. I've been is what I do for a living. I've been is what I do for a living. I've been doing this forever. It's hard for me to doing this forever. It's hard for me to doing this forever. It's hard for me to do it to myself. It is it is totally do it to myself. It is it is totally do it to myself. It is it is totally different. I can't think my way through different. I can't think my way through different. I can't think my way through it. It just doesn't work. You got to it. It just doesn't work. You got to it. It just doesn't work. You got to feel you got to learn how to feel feel you got to learn how to feel feel you got to learn how to feel differently, which is a very different differently, which is a very different differently, which is a very different much more difficult process. much more difficult process. much more difficult process. &gt;&gt; Yeah. the the middle for her is probably &gt;&gt; Yeah. the the middle for her is probably &gt;&gt; Yeah. the the middle for her is probably some I mean eat 1,600 and then she some I mean eat 1,600 and then she some I mean eat 1,600 and then she probably binges like crazy because her probably binges like crazy because her probably binges like crazy because her body's so hungry. She could probably body's so hungry. She could probably body's so hungry. She could probably cruise around. cruise around. cruise around. &gt;&gt; She's got the mental and physical &gt;&gt; She's got the mental and physical &gt;&gt; She's got the mental and physical signals that are just going crazy. signals that are just going crazy. signals that are just going crazy. &gt;&gt; Oh yeah. I mean she could probably &gt;&gt; Oh yeah. I mean she could probably &gt;&gt; Oh yeah. I mean she could probably cruise around 23 2500 calories eating cruise around 23 2500 calories eating cruise around 23 2500 calories eating full balanced and half the training and full balanced and half the training and full balanced and half the training and see incredible results. That's right. see incredible results. That's right. see incredible results. That's right. &gt;&gt; Our next caller is Joe from Texas. &gt;&gt; Our next caller is Joe from Texas. &gt;&gt; Our next caller is Joe from Texas. &gt;&gt; Joe, what's happening? &gt;&gt; Joe, what's happening? &gt;&gt; Joe, what's happening? &gt;&gt; How you doing Joe? &gt;&gt; How you doing Joe? &gt;&gt; How you doing Joe? &gt;&gt; Hey, how's it going guys? &gt;&gt; Hey, how's it going guys? &gt;&gt; Hey, how's it going guys? &gt;&gt; Good dude. What's going on? &gt;&gt; Good dude. What's going on? &gt;&gt; Good dude. What's going on? &gt;&gt; Hey u first thanks for taking my &gt;&gt; Hey u first thanks for taking my &gt;&gt; Hey u first thanks for taking my questions. Uh hopefully be very helpful questions. Uh hopefully be very helpful questions. Uh hopefully be very helpful I'm sure. Um, I guess I'll just read the I'm sure. Um, I guess I'll just read the I'm sure. Um, I guess I'll just read the email. It's the easiest thing people do, email. It's the easiest thing people do, email. It's the easiest thing people do, seems like. Uh, so I started with, uh, seems like. Uh, so I started with, uh, seems like. Uh, so I started with, uh, should I skip leg day? I know you always should I skip leg day? I know you always should I skip leg day? I know you always hear never skip leg day. Um, my question hear never skip leg day. Um, my question hear never skip leg day. Um, my question that is because I naturally have a lot that is because I naturally have a lot that is because I naturally have a lot of muscle mass in my lower body. Um, of muscle mass in my lower body. Um, of muscle mass in my lower body. Um, just kind of like family jeans, I guess. just kind of like family jeans, I guess. just kind of like family jeans, I guess. Um, no pun intended. Um, so Um, no pun intended. Um, so Um, no pun intended. Um, so background, I guess I've been a cop for background, I guess I've been a cop for background, I guess I've been a cop for 17 years. Uh, kind of worked out the 17 years. Uh, kind of worked out the 17 years. Uh, kind of worked out the whole time doing that. um started with a whole time doing that. um started with a whole time doing that. um started with a lot of CrossFit, finally came to my lot of CrossFit, finally came to my lot of CrossFit, finally came to my senses, moved away from that. Um senses, moved away from that. Um senses, moved away from that. Um about seven or eight years ago, found about seven or eight years ago, found about seven or eight years ago, found out I had really low testosterone, so I out I had really low testosterone, so I out I had really low testosterone, so I started TRT. Um so that's definitely started TRT. Um so that's definitely started TRT. Um so that's definitely helped with the uh like muscle helped with the uh like muscle helped with the uh like muscle responsiveness to workouts. Um but responsiveness to workouts. Um but responsiveness to workouts. Um but unfortunately that also includes my my unfortunately that also includes my my unfortunately that also includes my my like quads and my glutes. So when I do like quads and my glutes. So when I do like quads and my glutes. So when I do squats and lower body stuff, like it's squats and lower body stuff, like it's squats and lower body stuff, like it's super responsive and just blows up. But super responsive and just blows up. But super responsive and just blows up. But I end up with uh to quote the like I I end up with uh to quote the like I I end up with uh to quote the like I guess the philosophers the Yingang twins guess the philosophers the Yingang twins guess the philosophers the Yingang twins cute face slim waist but a big behind. cute face slim waist but a big behind. cute face slim waist but a big behind. So got big quads um but like a 32 inch So got big quads um but like a 32 inch So got big quads um but like a 32 inch waist. So if I buy pants or shorts that waist. So if I buy pants or shorts that waist. So if I buy pants or shorts that fit my waistline, they're super tight on fit my waistline, they're super tight on fit my waistline, they're super tight on my legs and my butt. But if I go up to my legs and my butt. But if I go up to my legs and my butt. But if I go up to say a 34 where they fit comfortably say a 34 where they fit comfortably say a 34 where they fit comfortably around my legs and my butt, then they're around my legs and my butt, then they're around my legs and my butt, then they're super baggy around my waistline. So just super baggy around my waistline. So just super baggy around my waistline. So just looking for some inside there. looking for some inside there. looking for some inside there. &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. Good problem to have, bro. &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. Good problem to have, bro. &gt;&gt; Yeah, dude. Good problem to have, bro. The reason why people say don't skip leg The reason why people say don't skip leg The reason why people say don't skip leg day is because they always skip leg day. day is because they always skip leg day. day is because they always skip leg day. &gt;&gt; Yeah, because they Well, because they &gt;&gt; Yeah, because they Well, because they &gt;&gt; Yeah, because they Well, because they have no legs and they have all upper have no legs and they have all upper have no legs and they have all upper body. That's not your problem. Yeah, body. That's not your problem. Yeah, body. That's not your problem. Yeah, dude. I This is I think um I think dude. I This is I think um I think dude. I This is I think um I think everybody has a body part. Not everybody has a body part. Not everybody has a body part. Not everybody's lucky enough for it to be everybody's lucky enough for it to be everybody's lucky enough for it to be legs and butt. Uh but everybody has a legs and butt. Uh but everybody has a legs and butt. Uh but everybody has a body part that responds really well that body part that responds really well that body part that responds really well that you can get away with doing very minimal you can get away with doing very minimal you can get away with doing very minimal volume very and skipping it all the volume very and skipping it all the volume very and skipping it all the time. So, time. So, time. So, &gt;&gt; uh &gt;&gt; uh &gt;&gt; uh &gt;&gt; yeah, if as long as you're strong, I &gt;&gt; yeah, if as long as you're strong, I &gt;&gt; yeah, if as long as you're strong, I mean, you're strong, right? balance. mean, you're strong, right? balance. mean, you're strong, right? balance. It's not like your legs like you you It's not like your legs like you you It's not like your legs like you you were you've been training for a while. were you've been training for a while. were you've been training for a while. You've trained your whole body for a You've trained your whole body for a You've trained your whole body for a while, right? while, right? while, right? &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, I guess just to throw some &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, I guess just to throw some &gt;&gt; Yeah. So, I guess just to throw some numbers at you, when I was tracking my numbers at you, when I was tracking my numbers at you, when I was tracking my my maxis, but I haven't done a while my maxis, but I haven't done a while my maxis, but I haven't done a while just to kind of prevent injury. Um, just to kind of prevent injury. Um, just to kind of prevent injury. Um, deadlift one rep was like 450, squat was deadlift one rep was like 450, squat was deadlift one rep was like 450, squat was like 350 like 350 like 350 &gt;&gt; and then bench is around 265, &gt;&gt; and then bench is around 265, &gt;&gt; and then bench is around 265, I think. I think. I think. &gt;&gt; Yeah. You can you can very easily, and I &gt;&gt; Yeah. You can you can very easily, and I &gt;&gt; Yeah. You can you can very easily, and I don't recommend this often, but you're don't recommend this often, but you're don't recommend this often, but you're trying to work on aesthetics. I mean, trying to work on aesthetics. I mean, trying to work on aesthetics. I mean, you could literally train your legs you could literally train your legs you could literally train your legs every other week. every other week. every other week. &gt;&gt; Yeah, that's what exactly what I do. &gt;&gt; Yeah, that's what exactly what I do. &gt;&gt; Yeah, that's what exactly what I do. Once every two weeks, I train my legs. Once every two weeks, I train my legs. Once every two weeks, I train my legs. &gt;&gt; And that'll just that'll keep them &gt;&gt; And that'll just that'll keep them &gt;&gt; And that'll just that'll keep them healthy, keep them strong, fit. You're healthy, keep them strong, fit. You're healthy, keep them strong, fit. You're not going to get weak or anything like not going to get weak or anything like not going to get weak or anything like that. Yep. that. Yep. that. Yep. &gt;&gt; And you're just obviously uh you know, &gt;&gt; And you're just obviously uh you know, &gt;&gt; And you're just obviously uh you know, much more focused on the upper body to much more focused on the upper body to much more focused on the upper body to help balance out, help balance out, help balance out, &gt;&gt; just maintaining it. &gt;&gt; just maintaining it. &gt;&gt; just maintaining it. &gt;&gt; That's it. &gt;&gt; That's it. &gt;&gt; That's it. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Okay, cool. Yeah, cuz I definitely don't &gt;&gt; Okay, cool. Yeah, cuz I definitely don't &gt;&gt; Okay, cool. Yeah, cuz I definitely don't want to lose any strength. Like I don't want to lose any strength. Like I don't want to lose any strength. Like I don't have a problem with getting them have a problem with getting them have a problem with getting them stronger. I just seems like when I do stronger. I just seems like when I do stronger. I just seems like when I do anything to work them out to get them anything to work them out to get them anything to work them out to get them stronger, they immediately like just stronger, they immediately like just stronger, they immediately like just start start start &gt;&gt; bl Yeah. Well, there's not it's not like &gt;&gt; bl Yeah. Well, there's not it's not like &gt;&gt; bl Yeah. Well, there's not it's not like there's there's not an exercise that's there's there's not an exercise that's there's there's not an exercise that's going to get them stronger and not build going to get them stronger and not build going to get them stronger and not build them if you respond like that. Like them if you respond like that. Like them if you respond like that. Like that's just what it is is you're going that's just what it is is you're going that's just what it is is you're going to you're going to you're and it's again to you're going to you're and it's again to you're going to you're and it's again it's not it's not a bad Sal's right like it's not it's not a bad Sal's right like it's not it's not a bad Sal's right like you if you train once every two weeks, you if you train once every two weeks, you if you train once every two weeks, you're not going to get weak. You you'll you're not going to get weak. You you'll you're not going to get weak. You you'll you'll be fine. They'll stay healthy. you'll be fine. They'll stay healthy. you'll be fine. They'll stay healthy. You'll still they'll stay healthy. You'll still they'll stay healthy. You'll still they'll stay healthy. They'll be strong, They'll be strong, They'll be strong, &gt;&gt; you know, and and mix it up. Like uh &gt;&gt; you know, and and mix it up. Like uh &gt;&gt; you know, and and mix it up. Like uh it's squatting one time, another time it's squatting one time, another time it's squatting one time, another time it's walking lunges, other time it's it's walking lunges, other time it's it's walking lunges, other time it's deadlift deadlift deadlift &gt;&gt; or sled. &gt;&gt; or sled. &gt;&gt; or sled. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Sometimes it's a lateral Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Sometimes it's a lateral Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Sometimes it's a lateral Yeah. lateral drags. I mean, just mess with lateral drags. I mean, just mess with lateral drags. I mean, just mess with the different things you do for them the different things you do for them the different things you do for them every other week and they'll stay every other week and they'll stay every other week and they'll stay strong, mobile, fit, and then f use use strong, mobile, fit, and then f use use strong, mobile, fit, and then f use use that uh reduced volume there to put it that uh reduced volume there to put it that uh reduced volume there to put it in the areas that you want to develop. in the areas that you want to develop. in the areas that you want to develop. Yep. Yep. Yep. &gt;&gt; Whether that be chest, shoulders, arms, &gt;&gt; Whether that be chest, shoulders, arms, &gt;&gt; Whether that be chest, shoulders, arms, back, whatever the other other things back, whatever the other other things back, whatever the other other things you want to really focus on. you want to really focus on. you want to really focus on. &gt;&gt; You can give it about a year and you'll &gt;&gt; You can give it about a year and you'll &gt;&gt; You can give it about a year and you'll see you'll see yourself start to balance see you'll see yourself start to balance see you'll see yourself start to balance out. out. out. &gt;&gt; Mhm. &gt;&gt; Mhm. &gt;&gt; Mhm. &gt;&gt; Awesome. I appreciate. &gt;&gt; Awesome. I appreciate. &gt;&gt; Awesome. I appreciate. &gt;&gt; You got it, man. &gt;&gt; You got it, man. &gt;&gt; You got it, man. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Thanks for calling in, bro. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Thanks for calling in, bro. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Thanks for calling in, bro. &gt;&gt; All right. &gt;&gt; All right. &gt;&gt; All right. &gt;&gt; Yeah. You got a good one. &gt;&gt; Yeah. You got a good one. &gt;&gt; Yeah. You got a good one. &gt;&gt; Take it easy. &gt;&gt; Take it easy. &gt;&gt; Take it easy. &gt;&gt; That's not common, but it's I mean, &gt;&gt; That's not common, but it's I mean, &gt;&gt; That's not common, but it's I mean, &gt;&gt; it's a Justin problem. &gt;&gt; it's a Justin problem. &gt;&gt; it's a Justin problem. the T-Rex body. the T-Rex body. the T-Rex body. &gt;&gt; Justin squats once every three months. I mean, can you do you do you out of all I mean, can you do you do you out of all seriousness, do you uh I do this with my seriousness, do you uh I do this with my seriousness, do you uh I do this with my arms, right? Cuz I I arms, right? Cuz I I arms, right? Cuz I I &gt;&gt; No, I trade volume. &gt;&gt; No, I trade volume. &gt;&gt; No, I trade volume. &gt;&gt; I'll go I'll go sometimes three weeks &gt;&gt; I'll go I'll go sometimes three weeks &gt;&gt; I'll go I'll go sometimes three weeks not even train my arms at all. And then, not even train my arms at all. And then, not even train my arms at all. And then, you know, you know, you know, &gt;&gt; Yeah. the advice you guys give, &gt;&gt; Yeah. the advice you guys give, &gt;&gt; Yeah. the advice you guys give, especially like alternating that too especially like alternating that too especially like alternating that too with like sled or more functional move. with like sled or more functional move. with like sled or more functional move. I really, it's a movement based. So, I I really, it's a movement based. So, I I really, it's a movement based. So, I try to maintain strength uh in my try to maintain strength uh in my try to maintain strength uh in my abilities more so than like trying to abilities more so than like trying to abilities more so than like trying to get leg development. I don't need leg get leg development. I don't need leg get leg development. I don't need leg development. development. development. &gt;&gt; Right. Like I don't think I've ever &gt;&gt; Right. Like I don't think I've ever &gt;&gt; Right. Like I don't think I've ever really seen you like uh squat like three really seen you like uh squat like three really seen you like uh squat like three weeks in a row twice a week. weeks in a row twice a week. weeks in a row twice a week. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Yeah. &gt;&gt; Ever since like football days. &gt;&gt; Ever since like football days. &gt;&gt; Ever since like football days. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Like I don't think I ever see you &gt;&gt; Yeah. Like I don't think I ever see you &gt;&gt; Yeah. Like I don't think I ever see you like progressively overloading the like progressively overloading the like progressively overloading the squat. Like you're always doing squat. Like you're always doing squat. Like you're always doing something. something. something. &gt;&gt; I do that when my quads grow really &gt;&gt; I do that when my quads grow really &gt;&gt; I do that when my quads grow really fast. So I train by the volume I do for fast. So I train by the volume I do for fast. So I train by the volume I do for my quads way lower than the rest of my my quads way lower than the rest of my my quads way lower than the rest of my body because they just they just respond body because they just they just respond body because they just they just respond really well. The the the thing is as really well. The the the thing is as really well. The the the thing is as long as you're strong and fit. So, long as you're strong and fit. So, long as you're strong and fit. So, here's when this becomes an issue. here's when this becomes an issue. here's when this becomes an issue. You're just not strong at all. You just You're just not strong at all. You just You're just not strong at all. You just started working out and you're like, I started working out and you're like, I started working out and you're like, I just want to skip this body part. No, just want to skip this body part. No, just want to skip this body part. No, no. Get it strong and fit because now no. Get it strong and fit because now no. Get it strong and fit because now you're going to create some you're going to create some you're going to create some &gt;&gt; He's deadlifting overunction. You're &gt;&gt; He's deadlifting overunction. You're &gt;&gt; He's deadlifting overunction. You're dead over 400 lb. You're squatting over dead over 400 lb. You're squatting over dead over 400 lb. You're squatting over 300 lb. You're fine. That's That's 300 lb. You're fine. That's That's 300 lb. You're fine. That's That's plenty good strength. And if you also plenty good strength. And if you also plenty good strength. And if you also say that you got thick, big legs, like say that you got thick, big legs, like say that you got thick, big legs, like you're good. you're good. you're good. &gt;&gt; All right. I know you like that episode. &gt;&gt; All right. I know you like that episode. &gt;&gt; All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. If you did, check this one out. If you did, check this one out. Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit body fat. body fat. body fat. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; Yes. &gt;&gt; You want to get there? Let's talk about &gt;&gt; You want to get there? Let's talk about &gt;&gt; You want to get there? Let's talk about it. it. it. difficult and is it worth it? That's a difficult and is it worth it? That's a difficult and is it worth it? That's a follow-up question. follow-up question. follow-up question. &gt;&gt; Yeah. First off, we got to say, okay, so &gt;&gt; Yeah. First off, we got to say, okay, so &gt;&gt; Yeah. First off, we got to say, okay, so singledigit body fat, obviously body fat singledigit body fat, obviously body fat singledigit body fat, obviously body fat percentages, uh that could be percentages, uh that could be percentages, uh that could be represented by one digit, like 3%, 5%, represented by one digit, like 3%, 5%, represented by one digit, like 3%, 5%, 6%, 9%. That's uh ripped for men. For 6%, 9%. That's uh ripped for men. For 6%, 9%. That's uh ripped for men. For women, women, women, &gt;&gt; add 10%. &gt;&gt; add 10%. &gt;&gt; add 10%. &gt;&gt; Yeah. Don't Yeah, exactly. You go you go &gt;&gt; Yeah. Don't Yeah, exactly. You go you go &gt;&gt; Yeah. Don't Yeah, exactly. You go you go up about