The Top 10 Healthiest States In America | Mind Pump 2863

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To live longer and healthier, forget intense gym sessions alone. The healthiest states like Hawaii show us that daily movement matters most—walking throughout the day, doing household chores, gardening. Strength train 2-3 times weekly for protective effects, but prioritize constant low-level activity. Build community connections through daily walks to stores or coffee shops. Your longevity depends less on crushing workouts and more on never being sedentary.

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The hosts analyze the top 10 healthiest states in America by lifespan, discovering that daily movement, walkable communities, and strong social connections matter more for longevity than intense workouts. They explore how lifestyle factors like gardening, walking cities, and family culture contribute to longer, healthier lives, challenging common assumptions about fitness and health.

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Here Here are the top 10 healthiest states in America. They have the longest lifespans. Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, California, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Utah, and New Hampshire. We're going to talk about why they live the longest. How did Minnesota sneak in there? Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, that one's the most surprising. The first few I have a theory on why that is. that is. that is. So do I. Okay. So, okay. I I probably could speculate that cuz it's got so many lakes, lakes, lakes, but again, the winters are rough.

Yeah. Okay. So So here's what's interesting about the list that I just gave. gave. gave. Yeah. Go to the first three, and I think we could break down why the Well, before I do, so so here's where this came from, right? So our media team uh often times will give us ideas on uh things that they think would be interesting for us to talk about. And one of the ideas uh Danny brought to me was an article uh titled uh the top healthiest states in the US uh for 2025.

Now anytime I hear that or see that I want to look a little deeper like what are the parameters they're using to Exactly. Is it body fat? Is it how long people are living? Is it That's right. That's right. And so I looked at it and they were ranking this. They were looking at physical activity, smoking rates, air quality, but then they're looking at things like access to health care, homicide, like they like 99 metrics. And so they were basing what they thought the healthiest states were based off these metrics.

Now, what I did is I looked up which states people actually live the longest because at the end of the day, that's where the rubber meets the road, right? Like what's the actual result? actual result? actual result? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And does it line up with what these authors of this study predicted would be the healthiest states? what they list as the top healthiest states, the top 10. Number one was New Hampshire, number two was Massachusetts, number three was Vermont, number four was Connecticut, number five was Utah, number six was Minnesota, then it goes Washington, Maryland, number nine is Hawaii, and number 10 is Rhode Island.

There's some crossover there, but you notice how the rankings rankings rankings Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. were different. were different. were different. That seems more off to me. I think your list seems more predictable to me. Well, of course, because it's actual lifespan. It's like how long are people actually living? Oh, so the first list was you. was you. was you. The first list was me looking up the the how old people live in each state and then rank them. Give me the give me the first three to five of yours of the one that I had.

Yeah. Yeah. The ones you have Hawaii, Massachusetts, and New Jersey. So Hawaii, Mass. Now, Hawaii was number nine on the other list. Massachusetts was number two on the other list, so that one matched up. And then New Jersey, interestingly, didn't even make their top 10. But those are the states where people live the longest. And just for reference, the national average uh is 77.5 years. Uh Hawaii is 80, Massachusetts 79.8, and New Jersey is 79.6. 79.6. 79.6. Now, Hawaii, I'm going to guess uh warm and a lot of walking like I think just that's that's going to be the I mean you and and even lifestyle like like island lifestyle.

I have family that live uh a lot of family actually that live over in Kawaii and it's a different lifestyle. It's less stress. stress. stress. There's uh I mean Yeah, the stress like work show up when you can get here Yeah. No, totally. It's very chill. There's no speeding. There's none of that going on. Like it's very chill vibes. And so that's got to play a role in just overall stress on the community. Uh you lots of sunshine, a lot of walking a lot of places, access to fresh uh fruit, uh fresh um fish.

fish. fish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, they've got great uh cattle there and uh and chicken there. So, you've got kind of good access to food. It's funny you say what you said. My friend Sean back in the day when I was uh managing gyms in the heyday at 24 Fitness, he was a like a top general manager. This guy used to crush all the time and they they they moved him to Honolulu. Like, do you want to run a club in Honolulu and make it crush, right?

I know. I had a similar opportunity. opportunity. opportunity. Um and so he went over there and I would talk to him and I'm like, "What's it like, dude?" because he he turned that club into a mega production. He's like, "Bro, it's crazy." He's like, "Dude, my staff shows up in flip-flops 30, 40 minutes late. Nobody cares." I don't know what's going on over here, too. Everybody's super chill. So, it was super funny, but didn't see that. But what I I what I see with the commonalities with some of these uh with a lot of these is like um you got good weather, weather, weather, near water.

near water. near water. Yeah, I was going to say is Florida's not on that list at all. I'm surprised Florida's not on that list. Well, I was like, is it because of like the pill mill stuff and people come down there like don't forget Florida's in the south and so you get a lot of cuz the top the worst uh health states are all uh uh uh they're all in the south. Well, cuz like food and culture there is like like like smoking and food and that kind of stuff.

So, don't forget that Florida lifestyle is a little different. Yeah. Like I've been to um Disney World in Florida and I know there's people from all over coming there, but you got a lot of people from Florida going to Disney World. Now, you go to Disneyland and you see some It was like like meth, bro. You just blow you see some obesity at Disneyland. You go to Disney World and there's uh like traffic jams with scooters. scooters. scooters. There's dedicated scooter parking in lanes. It's different.

It's definitely different. But one thing I see in with a lot of these in common, I think near water, water, water, walkable states, right? Sunshine and probably a lot of physical activity activity activity uh is a part of their lifestyle. Is Massachusetts considered a lot of sunshine? sunshine? sunshine? No. No. Some of these are not, but a lot of them are. But that's the cuz it's smaller. I'm I'm sure like there's a lot of more walkable city. Uh that's what I was saying. Like I think a lot of walkable cities and near water that has to be positive.

Yeah. And there's also uh good um uh high education rate um and also um uh good healthare or access to healthcare. Those always play a big role. By the way, I want people to understand this. When you see that the national average is 77 and a long living state is 80, you think, oh, okay, three years or two and a half years, like what's the big difference? It's actually a big difference. Uh it's not just the time people are alive, but what that doesn't show you is the how long people are sick for for for before they actually uh pass away.

So it's it's a much bigger 2 and 1/2 years doesn't sound like a lot, but when you look at like health span, it actually is a lot more um more than you think. Mhm. But yeah, I think exercise access to there's culture in some of these states uh around fitness uh is one of them. Um you know, like uh now what's interesting, I didn't see Colorado in the top 10. I mean, I thought I didn't see I thought California and Arizona would be on there. California is California is California is Oh, California is on there.

Number six. Number six. Number six. Okay, so it is on there. I was say Arizona's not Arizona's not Arizona's not uh Arizona was not in the top. Arizona is the I remember reading a article on this has more gyms per capita than like any other state. It would be interesting to see if there's a coralate with gyms. You would think that's why I was surprised Arizona surprised Arizona surprised Arizona like hiking and I mean it's there's a lot to do there. I mean besides, you know, the desert and the summer is going to be horrible.

Yeah. What's interesting to me out of all of these is Hawaii because Hawaii is uh consistently number one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like for a long time. For a long time. Well, so wouldn't you they're always the talk. Wouldn't you agree then that this just highlights and we talk about this a lot just this just this just this low-level stress that we all have a lot and like that's of all the states that's probably the most consistent. I don't know anybody who's ever talked about Hawaii being like a stressful area that's even I was going to say even their busy place.

Yeah. Yeah. That's like that's like San Francisco on the beach. That's their city. It still has got chill vibes. Chill. They also have a culture of family in Hawaii. So, um, locals are very family oriented. Uh, my friend Ryan, I don't know if you knew Ryan Junk, he was from Hawaii, and he would talk about this all the time. I have I had other friends that were from Hawaii who did jiu-jitsu, and they would talk about this all the time. Um, that there was just like this, uh, especially the locals.

Very tight-knit. Yeah. Yeah. Tight-knit, kind of familyoriented. And you see this in the data, um, when people have good strong connections to their community and family, they just live longer. They just do better. Mhm. Uh like some of the states with the highest suicide rates are also the ones where people tend to be the most isolated. And sometimes it's a distance thing or a location thing. Like I think Wyoming, if I'm not mistaken, has a really high suicide rate. Washington's the highest, isn't it, Doug? Doug?

Doug? No. No. No. Look, highest suicide rate. I think so. Washington. Washington. Washington. Yeah, Washington is the highest. 10 states uh with top 10 state suicide rates. rates. rates. Yeah, Washington's up there. But um family culture, weather, access to uh fruits, vegetables, and healthy in like I mean I think the family and the stressing are the two big big ones. Yeah. I mean really I mean because you have there everywhere doesn't have the best diet. So even people eating off the rails a little bit everywhere you go.

Like I'm sure body fat percentage is high there like everywhere else. But that just community walking sunshine those things have to be oo look at this top states. I forgot Alaska's higher than scroll down. It goes Alaska Alaska, Montana, Wyoming. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. New Washington didn't even make it. Yeah, those are all the Okay, you want to know what's sparse populated states? You know what's crazy about this is that Scroll down a little more. Utah is number six for suicide rate. They're also number nine for longevity.

Huh. Huh. Huh. That's wild. That's wild. That's wild. That is weird that they made it in both both. Do they count suicides? Wow. I would not have guessed Idaho and Utah on that on the top six. That's or Colorado. or Colorado. or Colorado. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I I'm not familiar with the states too much. What I what I kind of know from about Utah cuz I have family. I have a cousin um who's got family over there. Is that Utah's kind of like California in the sense, you know, in California is like you're like you're in one area and it looks like everybody's doing well and you go to another area and you're like, what is going on?

Are we in another planet? I think Utah is kind of like that too where there's like a high drug rate in certain areas rate and in other areas sort of concentrated in certain areas. Yeah. But I you know just by talking about this about this about this I definitely would have thought that I know it's all the potatoes. Just kidding. I think I think what you the thing to take away from this um is uh daily activity. Uh I think what you'll find in a lot of these states is uh people are relatively active uh for the most part either because the culture of the state encourages it or because of the way the cities are designed uh tends to encourage in fact um big cities uh where it's inconvenient to drive tend to have better um health even though their air quality is so bad.

You I didn't even think uh California is the only one that has a blue zone of all the ones you name. Lolinda. Lolinda. You're talking that's the Seventh Day Adventist. Yeah. But it's still in California. Yeah, it is. So that would that would boost California's numbers. California's numbers. California's numbers. I don't know how many people are are in there to make that big. California is such a big state. I don't know how much of a of a skew that's going. Well, there was no other ones, were there?

there? there? Um I don't I think Linda is the only blue zone in America if I'm not mistaken. mistaken. mistaken. I think you're right. Yeah, but they but those are the seventh day advent. I feel like San Diego makes up for most of it cuz uh LA isn't doing too well right now. right now. right now. No. No. like healthwise. No. No. No. Yeah. You would think LA and San Francisco would bring the numbers way down quite a bit. You would think they would. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Also, buy any Maps 15 style program. Get any other Maps 15 style program for free. Go to maps 15bogo.com. Here comes the show. But I mean, although San Francisco probably counters because it's a it's a walking city, so there's a lot of walking going on. That probably counts. probably counts. probably counts. So, that's a great point. Uh I have family that lived in San Francisco back and forth and they're like, "Dude, it's so crazy uh how easy it was for me to stay kind of fit and I didn't go to the You actually don't see So when you walk San Francisco, I was just there last weekend.

Uh when you walk the streets and you go by just went to a big like play thing and there was lots of people. You don't actually don't see a lot of obesity." obesity." obesity." No, No, No, you don't. you don't. you don't. Not like you see it in You're not walking up hills. There's a lot of poop though. Thanks, Justin. Thanks, Justin. Thanks, Justin. Needles, stuff like that. But I mean, no, really, you don't you don't you're uh in fact uh I would say I'd see a a smaller percentage of obesity walking San Francisco than I do now.

There's a bit of a bias there, right? So people the people that are probably obese there are probably not walking the streets. No. No. No. You know, You know, You know, no. And I you know this at one point I was really interesting interested in this kind of data and um we have this idea uh with longevity that workouts scheduled workouts are what is best for longevity. It's actually not. No. No. No. Now scheduled workouts are good. So I'm not saying they're bad. Um and certain workouts have a more of a protective effect in relation to the time that you spend doing them.

Like strength training is one of those things. You don't need to spend a lot of time strength training to receive a longevity protective effect uh from it. Everything from insulin sensitivity, mitochondrial health, uh you know, a little bit of a metabolic boost, which helps uh with you know, excess calorie consumption, strength, which helps with mobility. And you don't need to do a lot of it. Like the average person did a couple days a week literally in uh doing strength training. The protective effect that you get from just a couple hours a week uh outweighs any other kind of workout you would do for the same amount of time.

That being said, if you want to move for longevity, uh it's daily. It's daily and it's throughout the day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's not like uh Yeah. I do a couple workouts a week, uh or I work out once in the morning and then the rest of the day I do nothing, which is what it looks like for fit people. So, fit people who are fitnessminded oftentimes what it looks like for them is they do one workout most days, but then the rest of the day they're do they're sitting.

such a such a great conversation and uh I mean probably would ruffle some feathers that there's some arguments to be made that some of the most uh impressive physiques that we might see are not the most healthiest in terms of longevity when you compare to some of these these these your health markers might not be what you think. you think. you think. Yeah. No, like like you're like you're saying I mean you you you might train at the gym 5 days a week for an hour hardcore.

Uh but then you sit all day long and you're good about measuring your macros and so way better than nothing. Oh yeah, but again it's protective but it's not but I mean we we would look at somebody maybe who you know walks 15 20,000 steps every single day. Gardens every day the longest longest longest maybe once a week they lift some weight so they do a lot of body calisthenic type stuff. You might look at that body and go like come on they're not that. But they are arguably healthier in terms of longevity, especially if you outdoor gardening, walking, doing stuff like that.

that. that. I will never This was such a paradigm just just crushing moment for me as a I was 19, went to Sicily to visit uh to be with my family, my my dad's side and my mom's side, too. She's got some family there. And I remember we went to visit one of either one of my cousins or my aunts. I didn't know her very well, but she was she was like I think she was 80. She was almost 80 or she was 80. and we went to visit her and she lived in this really old town in Sicily.

Okay. And when I say old town, it's like uh the roads were made for horses. So, there were roads you can't drive through or some of them in the tiny car that we had, you'd fold the the the rear uh viewing windows to the sides cuz you're going to drive by and people if they're outside had to go inside or stand up against the wall, let you through. So, this is what the roads look like. And there were roads you couldn't go through. So, we get to we parked at the bottom of this hill.

We walk up this old cobblestone road and I mean I'm 19 years old like I'm, you know, I work out or whatever and I'm like huffing. I'm like, "Oh my god, where does she live?" We walk all the way up. Then we get to the bottom to the door. They she buzzes us in. We open the door and then we go up like three flights of stairs and then we're lived in this tiny little apartment by herself, a widow. And she was like so functional, could do whatever.

And I remember I'm looking at her, I'm like, "How does she live alone? Who brings her grocery? like how does this work? And so we left. I was talking to my dad about it and I'm like I'm like ba what? Like how does she live here? He's like what do you mean? I'm like well how does she do everything? She goes he goes she does it herself. I'm like she walks down this flight of stairs and goes down this hill and comes up this hill every single day.

He goes she does it probably twice a day. Every day she goes this is where she goes to the market. She gets her food. She goes down she goes down to meet with her friends at the biaza every single day. A couple days a week. Think about it. Yeah. this is just what she does what she does. Yeah. There's no elevator. That's the thing, you know, and she was like 80. And so, uh, you know, for people listening, you you don't live in a situation, if you don't probably live in a city, if you're listening in a modern, uh, like like America in particular, uh, where this is just party life.

And so, if you want longevity, it's like I guess Europe has it all kind of still structured like that. So, yeah. They get that a lot. Yeah. Well, I think one of the things you do is just you got to This sounds stupid, but it's super This is what the data shows. Do a lot of little walks all day long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So simple, so basic, but and you throw in a little bit of strength training and you've got you've got it covered. Well, I mean, this is what's re reframed the way that I look at even chores and stuff around my house.

Um I know if you've been listening to the podcast, it makes it more enjoyable, right? Yeah. I mean there was there came there was a time where we've talked about this if you go far enough back where you know I made a big argument for you know outsourcing that to buy more time with family and stuff like that and there's a part of that I can get behind for sure um because I still utilize that to an extent extent extent but not so much now where I go like you know what though like this is a big part of me staying active and like so I look at it completely different now it's just like I need to do this activity for my health and longevity it's I outsource all that activity, then I become more sedentary.

If I'm more sedentary, then I don't live long enough. And if I'm claiming that it's for this time with my family and stuff like that, what good am I if I'm unhealthy and not living long? And so it's like, okay, there is a balance of balance of balance of it also makes it more valuable, which makes it probably more enjoyable. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Cuz like I'm not just doing this cuz I need to clean the house. I'm also doing this cuz it's good for me. Yes.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And it makes you more present. Reframes it for sure. It's funny like I've been like slowly affected by Courtney's passion for gardening and it's like I've been avoiding it because it's like you know it's gardening you know it's not that exciting to talk about old people but you know like Yeah. But now I'm like I I keep getting drawn in and like it's just explaining the process and like all these different uh Oh, there's this show on Netflix now. It's funny with Zack Alfanakis and it's only like they're like 15inute like shorts, but it just he's kind of like in a kind of a really funny way educating using kids and stuff to to kind of describe like the process, but like going to farms and kind of like explain their process and showing he's like the future is egalitarian and he's like trying to show all these like things you can do uh to to be self- sustainable and like all this stuff and it's really interesting and that was on the nose was like the whole apple like tasty apples.

You can't get tasty apples without really grafting one to the to the other plant and otherwise you'll never get like a good tasty apple. It's like always going to be kind of bitter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that. You know, as we're as we're talking about this too. Oh, that's why like fresh apples are typically like kind of a sour taste. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Is that why? Cuz you have to crossbreed them in order. You have to crossbreed them. Yeah. To get that flavor to be tasty.

Oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I was like with all of them and they're like Yeah. All of them. Yeah. We had apple trees at one of my houses when I was a kid and I remember how uh like sour they were in comparison to like the grocery store apples. I never really actually thought about that or knew about but I tripped out cuz like Yeah. And then and they're describing like the tomatoes and like oh my god they taste so and I've experienced that now and that's what started to pull me in was because I I talked to you guys like the carrots like they taste completely different.

The tomatoes taste like nothing I've ever had. It's just like Yeah. You're not going to get that unless you literally cultivate it. So, that's awesome. As we're talking too, I'm thinking to myself, uh the other downstream effects of uh living in a town like the one I described, um she did live alone, but just the simple act of going and walking through the town and walking to the store and she's not alone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's got community. She sees people every single day. Yeah. People say hi to her all the way down.

down. down. Yeah. So, so like I make it a point um when I'm at home with the kids that I always try to do activities with them that require that I take them on a long walk to get there cuz that's for me. The long walks for me. Put them in a stroller. I have one of those double strollers with the like jogging strollers. strollers. strollers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll put them in there and I'll just Okay, we're going to go to this place or we're going to go to the store and I make sure it's I try to pick like long walks and almost every time I see people and we say hi to each other.

you're just around people rather than like being just by yourself the whole time. So, that's got to be another another plus. another plus. another plus. Do you think that makes a comeback? I think it's starting to shift in that direction. direction. direction. I mean, again, I'm always like I question like our our bubble, you know, because we talk about hope for it, but yeah. It's a priority for us. It's something you're trying to foster. It's like, hey, it feels like it's making a comeback. Is it though?

Like I'm because we're we're obviously we're moving more disconnected and more digital and all this stuff. I was just talking to a guy yesterday. Yeah. Uh he's uh in his 30s and uh I was talking to him about uh dating and I asked him about dating apps and he's like no I'm sick of them. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. I'm like why? He's like it's not real. He's like you're you're putting up this like this is who you know and then this other person you're picking out like you're going through a cat an identity that's he's like and I've heard I've heard more and more people say that about the dating apps that they're just like done with them because of that whole process.

It's crazy that we all miss that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank god. I mean, yeah, but it'd be nice to be able to nice be able to talk about it from experience. I have no experience with that at all. Zero. Don't know what it's like to make a profile, swipe, right? You guys never did that one time? Never. Never. Never. I did it one time. You did? You did? You did? I didn't know that. Eh, Harmony one date. No way. How are you not? God, this guy [ __ ] We've known each other for 20 years.

years. years. It never came up, bro. bro. bro. How's it going to come up? Never randomly asked. What else we've talked about dating apps a thousand times? There was plenty of opportunity for you to share a story where you go, "By the way, guys, we have to think of [ __ ] question to ask, bro." ask, bro." ask, bro." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You ever been by? Have you ever killed anyone that you had to ask that? I'll have to think about that. But um so what happened? Yeah.

No, Yeah. No, Yeah. No, this obviously before you you were with Yeah, before I was married confession like she's going to was last year. Really awkward. No, it was actually late. It was the the irony of it was kind of funny cuz Well, I'll get to that, but um so yeah, I was at my parents. I was living at my parents and I was still working at at 24-hour fitness. fitness. fitness. Okay. So, this when you work for me? Yeah. So, I was commuting to to work and Santa or Hillsdale?

How early? Hillsdale. Hillsdale. Hillsdale. Oh, this is early early. Yeah, this is early actually. No, I take that back because I met Courtney at Santa Teresa. So, yeah, it was Santa Teresa. Uh but I hadn't moved yet and so I was like kind of in limbo and and my parents at that point were trying to like set me up with people and like you know my the one best friend I had growing up you know like their parents and my parents like have always tried to like you know connect us and I was like no she like she was like a sister to me you know I was like and and you know and it it sucked because it was like she was like into me and it got weird and I'm like no I got to I just got to do this myself you know like I got to get out there And uh so I was on it was like dialup you know like back then I think it was like really slow internet and um so it was it was like the very inception of the whole early days.

Yeah. Very early days of it and you fill out this long form dude like forever and like they get they tried to make it different in that they wanted to get to like all your core values like your morals blah blah like all that kind of stuff. stuff. stuff. Was your was your profile pick? What was your profile pick? I just picked the hush chick. No. What was your profile pick? Uh, would you use what? And we'll get back to what you fish. fish. fish. Come on.

Guitar. You had a football helmet. Guitar. Football helmets in the back. Come on. Your truck. What' you do? What' you do? you do? you do? I have to think about it. Come on. Come on. Come on. Oh, you know what it was? What was it? Is I could probably find it. It was like when I was in MY ROCKABILLY PHASE. I CAN PICTURE. I know what picture is. Yeah, you probably like black and white. Black and white. Yes, I know. That's a winner. winner. winner. I had like my uh Yeah, it was it was that's a that's a different you for you to pick that you cuz that's just a part of you in my opinion.

opinion. opinion. Oh, it was like a very small face. That's right. That's like a small part of you. So like to use that. He's like I'm hot. That's what it Well, I just thought I liked it because it was like a again the portrayal the the the person that you're like, "Oh, yeah." I thought it was like I looked kind of cool like that, you know, like but I never rock that, you know, like I full on like pompador and everything and I had had had um Yeah, it was like like a country western kind.

I remember the pick. Yeah. So anyway, it Yeah. So that I put that out there and like I was going through the I think I finally matched up with somebody uh you know the next day and it was like I had a few to look and I I I connected with her and then we ended up going to like Dave and Busters. Okay. Okay. Okay. And uh like set this whole thing up and she lived like far. It was it was at the uh uh like like uh uh Militus area kind of like far end.

And so I was like, "Oh, this is this is she's lives far." And I was like, "This is gonna work out." But then we ended up going and having a good time. And I felt bad because like I I was like, "She's a really nice girl, you know, this stuff." But while we're sitting there, I got a text message from Courtney. And like she was like, "Oh, hey, you know, I'm at Mount Charlie's like blah blah come hang out." And I'm like, cuz she had been ghosting me at this point cuz I gave up on her cuz I was I was pursuing her so hard before this and then was just like, you know what, whatever, dude.

whatever, dude. whatever, dude. She came in in the nick of time. Just literally, dude. Like, she could have lost you. Was this was this girl kissed? Was it you and your busters? Oh, wow. So, you would you would have ran it back. back. back. Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. But then what are you saying, dude? Come on. Come on. Come on. Like another date. You're not saying anything. anything. anything. Yeah, that's right, man. That's right. I met like I don't know the link. Go. Yeah, dude.

Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. I met Go mean another date. I know. It doesn't sound that bad. I knew what you're saying. you're saying. you're saying. Yeah, I was just saying he was on the same I'm just going on another date. Um but yeah, she and I was like, "Oh, man." And my whole my whole like thought process just shifted immediately with her. And I Wait, hold on. Did you kiss her after the text or before the text? No, I kissed her right um right before Well, I got a text that was just like, "Hey, what's up?" And it just was kind of like of like of like Where do you make outers?

Outside the parking lot cuz she had to leave from there and I left. I'm just Have you been there before? Well, there's not a lot of places to make out kids. Yeah, I know. Who goes on a date and just in front of the basketball hoops? Who Who goes on a date and doesn't close the deal? the deal? the deal? Some kids like, "Hey man, it's my turn." Yeah. Like, oh, we're just going to hug awkwardly, you know, like, oh, wow. So, okay, you you make out with this chick.

Uh, how do you make out? Well, I mean, you kiss her. Okay. So, you kiss this chick. How do you you How do you let her down that you're not going to return it cuz she thinks she's getting a second date for sure, bro? Well, yeah. No, I didn't actually. I actually. I actually. I That was before ghosting was a thing. Yeah. Yeah. No, she like I was still kind of like conflicted because I didn't know how serious Cory was and so I was like still like you know talking to her and then um you know I went home and and she was like oh like all excited to to do another date and I was like well we'll see what what what and then I came clean.

I was and then I came clean. I was like you know I got to come clean like I've been pursuing this girl for a while like like like honest. Yeah. honest. Yeah. honest. Yeah. You're a good guy dude. No, but dated both of them. Terrible. No way. I would definitely like ripping a band-aid, dude. Still dated both of them. them. them. Now, that might be true. Here's the deal. I really like you, too, though. though. though. Test you both out. I want to get a rose.

So, you had to let her down. I had to let her let her let her crushed. I bet. Crushed. Crushed. Crushed. Crushed. Yeah, she I mean, she understood, but yeah, you could tell she was like super super bummed. And like yeah, I I did feel really bad about it cuz I totally let her on like and I was like, "Yeah, yeah, let's we're going to hang out again." Oh, yeah. You kissed on the first date. Of course you let her on. But yeah, it was whatever.

So So okay. So then Courtney, you you go meet up with her. How how much shorter laughter? Like did you guys go on your first date or are you still not even sure with her? She's like, "Yeah." So that she just cracked the door. You were like the door's finally cracked. He's like took a few weeks after that, I think. And then I finally got a date with her. And then and then our first date was like uh The Hills Have Eyes. Like the worst movie you can take like a That's a terrifying date.

She picked it, dude. And I'm like, I wanted to walk out. Do you know they've done studies on that that horror movies cause physiological arousal? arousal? arousal? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In women when they're with their date. So they might not have Well, I was banking on that. Justin's like the only reason why I'm sitting through this torture movie right now, now, now, but it was so messed up. Like it was it it ruined the whole vibe. There was no like romantic feeling. I'm such an anti-scary guy that if that would that would kill it for me.

You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, this is not going to work. If you if you want to do this on a first date, this is not going to work. Like, oh, she's going to get scared. Yeah. Wow. That's a cool story, dude. So, yeah. So, yeah. So, yeah. I can't believe you did that. You never dude. Speaking of which, I got a date. We got a DM. I think it was a Mind Pump Media page. It might have been the Mind Pump Media page. Uh, someone DM'd us and they're like, I can't believe that you guys advertise with Ashley Madison.

Madison. Madison. I'm so advertise with them. And so we got to set this record straight. I almost don't want to bring attention. attention. attention. We talked about we talked about this because McDonald's was on the front of one of our things one time. It's not like we Spotify. It's Spotify, right? Go through Lipson. Yeah, there's actually two. We have Spotify and Libson. They both have their own ads. So they add their own ads in front of our podcast if you listen to them. them. them. Same with YouTube and YouTube.

Yeah, we don't choose any. We are not we are there's no connection to Ashley Madison or McDonald's. Our ads are when you it comes out of our mouth. mouth. mouth. Yes, we talk because we do not advocate for that terrible terrible terrible horrible, you know, just family destroying site. That's not something we support at all. But I want to I didn't even know that's what that was until you you said that. Yeah. And by the way, the way, the way, you had a huge data breach.

Yeah. I thought it was furniture. I didn't even know still Ashley Madison. Oh, just hearing that it sounds like a furniture. There is a Ashley. No, it's a freaking site for people to cheat on their spouses. That's an actual dating site. dating site. dating site. There was a whole documentary on them cuz they got they got busted. Remember, they're still around. That's crazy. They had a huge Didn't it leak? All their stuff leaked out and people got found out were getting divorced and divorced and divorced and Oh my god.

Have you guys heard the stories of uh of couples that go on Ashley Madison? Like they're trying to like cheat on each other and then they link up with each other. No. Oh my god. That would be hilarious. How do you get mad that you can't like wait a minute? Yeah. Oh crap. Oh crap. Oh crap. Whole another conversation. Hey, does it bring them closer? God, we're kind of alike, you know? Why don't we just pretend? What a dysfunctional I mean that's that's going to treat you as a stranger from now on.

Yeah. Oh god. Wow. Wow. Wow. I know. Terrible. I've never Have you ever known anybody who's done that? Medicine. Medicine. Medicine. Yeah. Who's used it? No. No. I don't think anybody would tell anybody. anybody. anybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. something they'd advertise like, "Hey, bro, just you know, I know you know my wife and kids, but you know, I met some chick on." Come on. People tell you like maybe maybe not dudes. Chicks definitely tell each other each other each other that they do stuff like that.

Maybe. Of course. Tell your girl. That's a good question. I wonder. Yeah. If if like I bet you women more likely than men would tell their friends. Yeah. I mean, you're example who you know, we just found out you harmony after nothing wrong with that. You took 20 years to tell us. I wonder I got to think of weird questions. questions. questions. I I I I'm like I'm going to make a list when I go home of like all the things I need to ask Justin.

ask Justin. ask Justin. Weird. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. It's just Well, I guess because you guys missed the boat for online dating. So, well, we've talked about online dating so many times. It's like if I had done it one time, I would have shared the opport I would have been like, "Oh, you know, I tried it one time." I brought it up. It just got blazed over. So, over. So, over. So, that's your default move now, bro. This is like, you know, I did talk about you guys talk so much we didn't hear it.

I thought yourself. thought yourself. thought yourself. That's how I protect myself. Justin Doug, have you ever done a dating site? Cuz site? Cuz site? Cuz I did. I have. Yeah. See, you have. What's your He's old now, too. Well, Rachel is That's how I met Rachel, actually. actually. actually. Oh, you met Rachel that way? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did not know that. That was right. Uh 2020 in the heart of COVID. It was like, wow. wow. wow. You know, You know, You know, you want to come.

So, you're a success story. I am a success story, I guess you'd say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Doug. Wow. All right. Are you on Were you on multiple ones or one? one? one? No, just the one. What was the one you were on? E-harmony. I think that's the one I was on. Wasn't Plenty Fish? No, I didn't do that. I just did the one. M one. M one. M too lazy, you know, creating those profiles. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work trying to get on those things.

those things. those things. Did you do any failed dates before, Rachel? No. Farmers only. I think I've gone on I went on a couple others. Yeah. others. Yeah. others. Yeah. That you didn't tell us about you. Well, why would I tell you? I mean, honestly, honestly, honestly, we're friends so we can tell the whole world. world. world. Well, I was exactly you guys. you guys. you guys. You know, Justin's here. I won't tell anybody. anybody. anybody. Justin and I share that. We're like, okay, we kind of keep our private life to ourselves, you know?

That's kind of why we don't share every little detail. Tell each other stuff. We don't even We have a separate text thread. text thread. text thread. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's a secret. No, I think I went on sale. It says that the the thing says don't sell out. Hey, half of it is them complaining about us. Talk so much. Hey, while we're talking, they're texting each other. No, I don't I like this. I don't talk that much in real life. Like, so this is all normal.

all normal. all normal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't You're not that quiet, though. I don't know why you say that. It's not like you don't talk. No, I'm not. I just, you know, I like I like listening and and and engaging when it's a it's a it's a Well, you know, that it goes along with your strength. You have a really good discernment. You really do. You have like gifted discernment for for people. Justin's almost Justin's almost Justin's almost he listens so well. That's why I think Well, I said it.

He listens so well. You know how many times we've met people and Justin's like, I don't really know about that guy or whatever. It turns out they're dirt bag and uh he he picks up on it. Yeah. You'd be good too if you listen. You just don't listen. Huh. Huh. Huh. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I I feel like you'd have a radar, too. Just don't listen. How many times I go, "S S, this is for you. S, we're talking to you." to you." to you." Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Justin's just as good at listening. I'm just bored. just bored. just bored. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You just got to say peptide into that. Hey, speaking of peptides and stuff, so Calera Lab, do so their their products, they sent us this. They have five peptides that they work with uh in many of their products and then they use the natural botanicals and I looked up some of the botanicals that are in their products. products. products. Yeah. Doug listed them here which is pretty cool and I'd like you to look some of these up Doug.

Okay. Okay. Okay. So, uh, one of them is spelanththees, which I've never heard of. That's for wrinkles, plant stem cells for free radical damage. I'm familiar with that. Estraulus root for tightness, snow mushroom for hydration, elderflower for skin tone, and then there's fireweed for healing and for balance. I'm not familiar with spalanths, Doug. I'd like fireweed and snow. Can you imagine having to go like forage for this stuff? I feel like you'd be all over. Impossible. over. Impossible. over. Impossible. Yeah. So, it contains something called spalanth spalanthol, spalanth spalanthol, spalanth spalanthol, which is interestingly a local anesthetic.

anesthetic. anesthetic. Wow. Wow. Wow. Uh, yeah. It's good for oral health. Um, has medicinal properties such as anti-inflammatory, anti-inflammatory, anti-inflammatory, antimicrobial, antimicrobial, antimicrobial, immune stimulating properties. And, uh, it's in cosmetics, it's referred to as the natural Botox. Oh, wow. due to its ability to relax facial muscles and reduce the appearance of fine lines. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, they clear it. And that wait was that that was the that that's a peptide or that's something else? else? else? No, no, no. These are all plants.

Those are all plants. These are all herbs and plants. And then they pair that with some peptides. some peptides. some peptides. They add peptides. You know what's crazy? I learned about retinol. So retinol is one of the most popular common ingredients in like skin products. Do you know what retinol does? It it dramatically increases uh cell turnover. So in other words, it helps kill cells on the surface to get new ones to produce. So this is why one of the side effects of retinol is like dryness, dryness, dryness, irritation, sun irritation, sun irritation, sun uh sensitivity.

So retinol can make you sensitive to the sun where you burn easier easier easier because your top layer is gone. Yeah. But the stuff that they're using, Caldera Labs, uh labs, excuse me, works with your natural skin. Um so I've I've noticed with like like I always use the example of me and Justin because we have such different skin, right? Mine is more oily. His is more dry. We both use this serum, which is an oil, which I would expect to work well for dry skin.

I would expect it would make me too oily. It doesn't. Actually balances me out. And it does the same thing. We should we should rebrand that somehow. Like you're equator and I'm like north. like north. like north. What? Equator. Equator. That's the the serum is the good. That's the Yeah, that's my favorite. Yeah, dude. That stuff's amazing. And I told you guys, my cousins when they came to the Christmas party, they got the gift bags where we included it. None of them are like skincare. We're all dudes, right?

And now all of them, they seen the text thread. They're like, "Oh, can't believe I used stuff." It converted us. Yeah, dude. So, anyway, the uh the hydro layer is what I've been using a lot uh lately as well, which is the hydro layer is the cream. The cream, The cream, The cream, right? Yes. Yes. I actually need some more. And it works really well. Ran out of I got to tell you guys, dude, about what Aurelia said to Jessica the other day. What? What? What?

You know, so he's in this phase right now. He's five. He's in such a fun phase. So, he's in this phase where he idolizes me, which I got to tell you, not you, you guys, you know this. You guys both know this. know this. know this. Yep. Yep. Yep. As a dad, when your kid, especially your son, idolizes you, it's such a wonderful feel. Does it get better than that? It doesn't. It doesn't. They just think you're awesome and then they want to do it. They want to be like you, you know?

So, he says things like, "Hey, what do you want to do when you grow up? I want to work at Mine Pump." You know, he says stuff like that. Uh, and he makes he'll steal her phone. Uh, and he'll record videos of himself and every video he'll get on there, he makes this funny face. He flexes and then he goes, "Uh, you know, my name is Aurelius and I work at Mind Pump. I make muscles." muscles." muscles." And he does this thing. Anyway, you know what he told her?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He said, "Uh, he goes, "Mom, can I ask you a question?" She's like, "Yeah." He's like, "Am I looking muscular?" And she's like, "Uh, why?" And he goes, "I've been bodybuilding. Can you tell?" She's like, "I think so." What did he do? He's watching. I got to ask him like what does he think bodybuilding is? So good. So good. So good. That's so what is he doing? I love when they're like that. Max is still there and Katrina's always trying to change it.

She's just like, "What do you want to do?" Cuz he wants to do what I want to do. He likes the foods that I like. And I love it. You know, she'll be like, like, like, "Well, what do you want to do uh Max for this?" And he'll be like, "I want to do what daddy wants to do." Yeah. Yeah. And because she's like, "Well, what do you want to do?" "I want to do that. That's what I want to do." And I'm like, "That's what he wants to do." Yeah.

Yeah. And I'm always I'm always getting his back. Hey, let him do it. He wants to do it. I want to do it, too. too. too. It's the best feeling. I was watching the other day on the We have a um what is it? Like a nanny cam and he was having trouble going to bed. He's going through this little phase where he's getting like scared at night. And so Jessica tries to, you know, encourage him and leave. Well, anyway, one of these nights he was he just kept saying he was scared.

So she reluctantly cuz it's it's late, you're tired, and she always does a good job with this, but she's like, "Oh, okay." So she went down there and she'll sit next to his bed until he falls asleep. And he's so so I was watching it on the camera and he's so funny. He's sitting there laying there and he sits up and he goes, "Mom, I just want you to know you're the best mom in the world. Thank you so much for doing this." And I could just see her just just just Oh, it's worth it.

Snicker bar for saying this. It's so worth it when you hear that. We still We still let Max come in. I'm like telling Katrina, I'm like, "We're probably getting close to her. We're going to have to stop that pretty soon here cuz he's just come in your bed." Yeah, he comes. So our rule is that he has to he goes to bed. He stays in bed and in the morning time he can come in and morning is sometimes 5:00 in the morning, 6:00 in the morning.

It's always it's early like that, but he can climb in at that time. Does he go back to sleep? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, good. Oh, good. Oh, good. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's part of the rule. If you're going to be Otherwise, we'll be like, if you're going to be up, you go play in your room. Like, it's 5:00 in the morning. You can't stay if And he will sometimes sometimes he'll stay up and he'll go play and entertain himself for the next two hours, whatever.

But we we've let him come in and I still uh I lay with him every night. So, it's seven almost seven years straight where I mean, I just remind myself that like going to end at some point. point. point. Yeah. Yeah. At one point he's not going to want me to do this and so I'm going to gobble and so I'm going to gobble it up for as long as I can. There reaches a point. I know you've done this already, Justin, cuz you're you got teenagers where you're like, "Hey, buddy, do you want to do this thing?" Like, "No, I'm going to go do something else." And it's like there's like this switch that happens.

It's supposed to happen. But there's a piece of you that goes, "Ah, part of you dies." And Oh, of course. And I every dad dad buddy of mine I know that's told me that, like I remind myself that of that, like I I'm gonna not get this. Not to mention, at least for me, this is this way. Uh some of the best conversations cuz he wants to stay awake, right? So it's when he becomes the most talkative or shares the most is laying in bed. So I love to come lay in bed with him because then he'll tell me stuff that he wouldn't have told me.

During the day he's playing, he's doing his thing. It's how was school? Oh, it was fine. What'd you do? Uh nothing. He has nothing to share. But laying in bed when it's time to go to sleep and you're supposed to be sleeping. Then he'll tell me all about his day and all the things he learned and conversations. Yeah. So I'm like, uh, you know what? This is so do the same thing. So worth it. I remind myself cuz, uh, what he'll do, Dalia is still too young, but she gets, so I'm sure she'll hit this phase, but he's like at the stage, he'll just ask me question after question after question, and I find myself getting like a little tired, but then I remind myself like, you know, but his questions are hilarious.

Like he's like, you know, I'm going on a walk, you know, like on those long walks. Hey papa. Yeah. And he goes, uh, can I have a sleepy dart gun? Like what? No, you can't have a Well, why not? And I'm like, "Well, I think they're illegal for for people to own." He goes, "But they use them on animals." I'm like, "Yeah, if you shoot an elephant with a sleepy dark gun, how long will it take for them to fall asleep?" And then it just turns into the cycle.

cycle. cycle. He just watched Zootopia or what? Uh, he did. Maybe that's where he got it from. from. from. It is from that. Oh gosh. Put that together cuz Max asked about the same thing. That's what I know about that. He asked if they were real. He's like, "Daddy, are those real?" I was like, "He didn't watch old school, did he?" did he?" did he?" No. It's from Zootopia. in Zootopia the they they make that uh I don't know if it's part one or part two but one of the Zootopia Zootopia Zootopia that's what that's what he's shooting the animals with.

Yeah. Yeah. With the sleepy darts. Oh god he would put that together. Yeah. So he probably Dude and he loves Max asked all about that too and I'm like having Did you get those versus books for him? The what? The what? The what? Animal versus books. You know what? I don't think I ever got those. those. those. Oh, you got to get them, dude. I ordered them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You You totally made me for I forgot all about it until you just said that.

that. that. I got We got all of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're crazy, Justin. They're like like who wins in a fight and it pairs edibles against a king cobra versus a you know a lizard. lizard. lizard. He loves that conversation. They're great books and you go through and you read about and then the battle at the end you have to guess who wins. Oh that's even better. Yeah we we did that u with videos like on YouTube for a while. while. while. Oh you watch real ones.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh no no this is pretend. I can't I can't get him to watch. So Oh man I did this speaking of the So did I send this to you guys? that that wasp and I think it's South Africa where it Oh, the one that grabbed the uh tarantula. tarantula. tarantula. Yeah, it's a uh there is a wasp and I think I think it's South America. Yeah. Okay. So, it grab on the pain meter. It's like number two, I believe, to the bullet. So, listen to what this thing does.

Tarantula hawk. Tarantula hawk. Tarantula hawk. Yes. Yes. It's a tarantula hawk is a w It's a wasp. It's a good size one. And it's carrying a a big tarantula up. It's flying with it. No, it's Yeah. Oh, it's carrying it up like it's walking. Oh, and so it so it stings the back of the tarantula and it and the tarantula can't move. So it totally uh paralyzes the the the spider. Then it carries it up and then it cocoons it alive and then burrows it its young and lays its eggs inside the spider while it's alive and then so its young can eat it.

And then the young eat every organ that's not vital. So they eat everything that keeps it alive as long as possible until the very end. That's a that's terrifying. Is that not the most terrifying thing you've ever heard? I've never heard that before or seen this thing before. Imagine if we had a predator just stalking us like that to do some like horrible horrible horrible cocoons you alive then puts its children in you to eat you alive. That is wild. So the fact that it's a Yeah, I know.

I'm like all for it was a All the video was showing was the the wasp carrying the spider up a thing. And so I was showing Max. I'm like, "Dude, check this out." And he's like that like he's he doesn't like watching video. I'm like, it doesn't do anything scary. I'm just showing you. He's like looking like like this. Yeah. So, that night he has a a nightmare about getting stung by a wasp. That's why I'm getting I get laid into say, you know, he doesn't like stuff like that.

Why do you show him? I'm like, it didn't have anything scary. It was literally a wasp and a spider on nature. nature. nature. Yeah, dude. He does not like videos like that. Of course, he had a nightmare. Katrina had to explain to him those don't exist over here in the in California. You don't have to worry about those wasps. The wasp that we have aren't like that. like I forget his name. It's like Cody Peterson or something. He has like a YouTube channel and he's like he's a guy that stings himself.

Yeah. Yeah. Test him out. He tests out on the pain scale like every one of those bites like personally and then he he's like it just bit me and he like isolates it and he shows you know it growing and then the next day what it looks like and I'm like dude this guy he needs like a Nobel Prize or something. Yeah. But like it's all for nature. He's not doing it just I mean obviously he's going to get a lot of views cuz we all just want to see him get like stung.

I don't know if I could watch that. That's That's That's I mean I don't I after I saw that and I read what it does. I'm like I don't think I know of anything more vicious or like bad than like what what other animal does something and I know there's there's there's what is it? Is it a praying mantis that the that they they'll mate and cut and then snap the other person's head off? Eats the head off. Yeah. I'll take that all day long over injecting your children into me to eat my insides out.

I mean, that's Does it get worse than that? Yeah, there's insects there's other insects that do that kind of stuff. Really? Really? Really? Yeah. I'm trying to I never I never read anything like that before and I was like I had to like I dug deeper cuz like this can't be true. This is really what happens. And you're It was like everything you said. It was like they literally not only do they do that, but then they eat the organs that keep it alive. You're conscious.

You and you're trapped. Like, please just snap my neck. I would much rather just kill me. Yeah. Like, that's got to be the worst, right? Awful. I think there's a tribe somewhere that uses bullet ants as a coming of age. They put on gloves. It's a glove. They put on these like wicker gloves filled with bullet ants. And it's it's like a as a boy becomes a man. He has to withstand it. And they stand there and let these ants sting the crap out of them.

them. them. It's the most painful thing that there is. is. is. And you're And you're And the And you're not supposed to like yell or cry. There they are. Look at the picture of the dude just wearing the glove. He's just letting him just bite his hands and I wonder how long they have to do that for. for. for. I forgot. But Oh my gosh. I know. I know. Yeah. And there's some hornets and you know know know 10 minutes. God. Hey. I got Oh, quick real quick.

We're like they cause paralysis, hallucinations, and days of shaking. Oh god. Oh god. Oh god. All right. Listen, I got to do that 20 times. times. times. Is that going to be our next uh YouTube channel? channel? channel? No, I got to ask you guys. We're about 45 minutes in. I gave you ketone IQ at the beginning of the podcast. What do you guys feel? always always more clear. It's wild, right? Sharp. Sharp. Sharp. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it wild? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the best thing.

I mean, I like that I can have it with my caffeine, too. So, that's what Yeah, cuz there's no caffeine in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the best. I I mean, I use it and I notice every time I I I take one of their shots of ketones, it takes about 20 minutes or so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I just feel really sharp. You'll do up to three in a day. I haven't done that yet. Yeah. I'll do one in the morning, one at lunch, and sometimes I'll do one before I leave.

I leave. I leave. So, ketones themselves are a bit neuroprotective, right? Yeah. cuz I've recommended this to my friend recently because he had like an unfortunate stroke and it was like kind of a random thing but like I'm like this might be for the brain. It's a really easy clean source of energy. So your brain just operates really well on ketones and uh often times mental fog issues with clarity where you're like what's you know why do I feel like I'm not that sharp? It's actually the energy systems of the brain.

So creatine that's why creatine helps with it. creatine. Yeah. And then ketones. Um, and because of ketone IQ, you just take a shot of it instead of having to go on a ketone ketogenic diet. ketogenic diet. ketogenic diet. Well, what's cool is that you can get the benefits of going into ketosis without being in ketosis. Yeah, dude. Ketogenic diet sucks. Well, yeah. You either got to you either got to fast for a good 24 plus hours to get into ketosis or you' to be on a ketogenic diet, which is really restrictive.

Yeah. to get yourself down cuz I remember it took a few days of the ketogenic diet before I actually even fell into ketosis cuz you have to be really really strict on the carbs dialed. Yeah. Yeah. And that's just I mean that's not a realistic way but that there's all these incredible benefits that we were aware of. So the fact that you could just take a you know exogenous supplement and get in there is awesome. It's great for you want mental clarity, you want athletic performance, you want whatever.

whatever. whatever. Now do you know how long it like because you're not technically getting into ketosis. All you're doing is you're using up the ketone. You're getting the benefits of it. You're not cuz you're Okay. Yeah. It lasts hours. You can actually test it. You can get a ketone strip. You could drink Ketone AQ. Wait 30 minutes, pee on the strip. Oh, you'll you'll you'll it'll show that. that. that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're in ketosis like straight up. It'll you'll measure into a nice nice nice Oh, I didn't know that.

You get a nice purple color on the Oh, I didn't know the ketone screen. So, that kind of shift over, prioritize it. Um, it. Um, it. Um, you use both. You're using both. You're using both, but your brain loves ketones. ketones. ketones. Well, yeah, it loves it. That' be kind of a cool test is to actually see use the urine test to see how long that you're still showing that. Yeah, those strips are cheap. You can buy them on Amazon for like eight bucks. No, that'd be I didn't know that.

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Go check them out. First question is from Ali Mack 1222. One of your most recent podcasts. Uh the title was lose weight after 30 keeps talking about removing processed foods. Can you please clarified clarify what you mean by processed because pre-wash pre-washed spinach is processed, canned and flash frozen vegetables are processed, peeled and frozen shrimp are processed. Just curious as to what you all consider is good versus bad in the world of processed. All those will be fine. Sal says minimally processed is another way to say it.

I have there's another I've heard people say which I think is a great way. if it didn't exist 200 years ago. ago. ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's just that's an easy way to do it also. Yeah. Like like all those things that you just listed existed 200 years ago. Yeah, they did. So I this is so funny. I had a client once who got this crazy debate with me. Well, when you say processed, like what do you mean? Like they have to wash the apple.

That's a It's like Okay, listen. It's the same thing with bad chemicals and they reduce it down to molecules. No, we're referring to heavily processed foods. These are foods that typically have a lot of ingredients. Um they're not in their natural form. So like a cookie, there is no cookie tree. You can find flash frozen vegetables, but those vegetables exist in nature. Yeah. Uh so minimally processed would be there. But yeah, food uh that has a long shelf life, but like one or a few ingredients is okay.

Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. When we say processed, we're talking about heavily processed foods, foods that are not uh anywhere near their natural state. Okay. They're they're foods that are engineered. engineered. engineered. They're engineered foods. And the reason why they're not good is because the science that goes into making them uh is geared towards making them hyper palatable, which means you're going to overeat them. It throws off uh your satiety. You're just not going to feel satisfied at the same time as you would with something that's, let's say, whole and natural.

And so, it just causes you to overeat. So, one of the easiest ways to eat an appropriate amount is you simply eliminate those foods and you'll naturally fall into a caloric intake that's much more appropriate. I mean, can you poke holes in the 200 years? I can't think of a situation where like what what's 200 but been around for 200 years that you couldn't I mean that's one way to say it. I guess you could totally say that. I mean I feel like that simplifies this for people because people do ask stuff like this all the time.

Well, there's typically a even like meat is processed somewhat like they you know what I'm saying? It's like cut it. Yeah, there's processed meat. Like if it was ever if this was around 200 years ago, you could eat that food and eat it. It's like it's typically single ingredient kind of stuff like all the stuff that this person listed um you know. Yeah. Like frozen shrimp. When you what's in what's the ingredient in there? shrimp, right? right? right? You know, flash frozen vegetables. What's the ingredient?

Vegetables. It's pre-washed spinach. It's spinach. Now, if it was like um you know, uh vegetable chips. vegetable chips. vegetable chips. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's totally different. Uh if it was shrimp flavored chips, that's different. So, So, So, well, it was usually for me it was like the middle of the grocery store. Like you just avoid like you just like would do the perimeter. That's where you're going to find it better. 100%. 100%. 100%. All right. And our next question is from pretty pretty uh Patty 10.

What is better, conventional deadlifts or sumo? What are the big differences? Does it truly make a difference doing one over the other? the other? the other? So, they're both called a deadlift. They're both they both qualify in powerlifting. powerlifting. powerlifting. Conventional deadlift. Conventional deadlift. Conventional deadlift. Well, if you powerlift, if you compete in powerlifting, they'll accept either a sumo or conventional uh as your deadlift. This has added a lot of confusion because it's it's made them the same exercise. They're not. They're not. Convential convential deadlift is better.

It's a fuller range of motion. of motion. of motion. It is, but they're different. It's like do them both. You know, it's like saying a hack squat versus a barbell squat or a front squat versus if you if you were only going to do one of them, which one are you picking? Conventional deadlift all day long. Probably. Probably. Probably. Yeah. Not probably. It hits the whole posterior chain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's a greater range of range of range of I think there's probably more functional.

functional. functional. Yeah, it's definitely. But I think both do both uh in your routine. routine. routine. Yeah. I mean, I love I I I Yeah. I mean, I love I I I program sumo deadlifts all the time, especially for my female clients that want to develop their glutes because I think it's it's great for glute drive. I think it's great for that. And your glute needs more involved because of the your stance. your stance. your stance. Um, and so if you want to develop your butt, both are great for developing your butt.

But if uh it's I program both and use the sumo for that reason, but if you're not competing and you're only going to primarily do one, I'm going to make you I'm going to have you do conventional. conventional. conventional. That's typically that's what I would teach. Yeah. Almost always was the conventional. But again, the confusion is that they're like they're interchangeable cuz the same they're not the same exercise. Powerlifting has added to that confusion cuz they accept both, but they're not. Yeah, you said it well.

It's it's like comparing a front squat to a back squat. Very different. Very different. Very different. They're both squats, but they're different. different. different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Next question is from Sarah Beth for Press. Can I train abs with cable crunches, decline sit-ups, and leg raises through the week while still doing vacuum co poses daily? Yeah, you can do vacuum poses all the time. Yeah, time. Yeah, time. Yeah, that's a low intensity, low uh, you know, tension exercise. Vacuum poses, you know what they're good for?

Uh, connecting uh to the muscles that brace the core. Yeah. TV. Yeah. TV. Yeah. TV. That's a that's something. Now, the only downside is don't do them so much that you're like not breathing well. Like don't try and hold it all day long so that you're shallow breathing. But practicing that's the best way to do vacuum poses is to do them throughout the day. Absolutely. That's this is what I used to tell my clients is I would put them in that posture pose where it naturally draws you in.

I'd be like you feel that like the way you're drawn in and just practice that all day. Like I just this is something I try I notice when I'm driving in my car sitting on planes like I'll I'll slouch and then I'll feel myself do that and then I'll activate and just tense up for a while and just try and do that as frequently as possible. as possible. as possible. Yeah. My my post uh my like uh what is it called? Postregant or what's the term I'm looking for?

I can't remember. I can't believe it. Postpartum. Thank you very much. my postpartum clients, uh, daily vacuum, uh, poses was like always part of their routine and it made such a big difference with bringing their midsection in, but also just reconnection is huge with that. Next question is from Nay Glints. At 54 years old, I am following anabolic and lifting two days per week. Is that enough to prevent the muscle loss associated with menopause and aging, or am I just slowing down the muscle loss process?

Am I actually able to build muscle at this age? Because right now I feel as if I'm losing muscle fast and gaining fat equally as fast. One strength training session every two weeks is enough to prevent uh the muscle loss. You're going to build muscle at two days a week. Now, if you're not building muscle, building muscle, building muscle, it's probably diet and and or your maybe you're doing the routine wrong or the intensity is wrong or your sleep is off. So, I would recommend this is what I recommend to clients uh who are like asking questions like this.

Hire a trainer. trainer. trainer. Hire for like two months. Hire a trainer for two months. Learn how to do things properly. Have them coach you. You'll get so much out of that. The the other thing would be hormones too, S, right? Like I mean hopefully you have somebody who's uh because if if someone like this is on like if they're estrogen, progesterone, everything's all off really bad. A lot of times too, you could be could be could be they'll still build muscle just not like they nor that they normally would, but they'll we have a guy in here that trains with one of our clients who's on testosterone suppression.

You know what I'm talking about. He had a testosterone sensitive cancer. sensitive cancer. sensitive cancer. They had to not just uh they put him on medication to bring his testosterone down. It measures at like 20. Okay. Crazy. He just hit a PR on deadlifts at 225. 225. 225. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. So the muscle building process still happens when your hormones off. It makes it harder, but you're still I've trained many women in menopause. None of them did uh many of them didn't do hormone therapy and they still built muscle um and and got results.

The potential still there. Hormotherapy makes it easier for sure, but they still build muscle. build muscle. build muscle. I felt like I had menop menopausal women were one of the hardest clients I had to show good results with. And I felt like the ones that did get their hormones balanced and it does make a difference made a huge difference. Especially if you are listening right now and you feel like you're you're checking the boxes. My sleep's pretty good. I'm hitting my macros. I'm following a good program and then still not seeing results.

Then most often than not fixing the the hormones or going to see someone to get like hormone replacement therapy like that made a big difference. But two days a week is plenty. It's plenty. plenty. plenty. I mean one day a week will she could see I most of my clients that were menopausal did one day a week with me. They were active the rest of the week. All right. I know you like that episode. If you did check this one out. Walking. It's one of the best things you could do for your health bar none.

But there's a better way to approach it. Yes, you can just walk. But if you follow the right protocol, it's far more effective. Let's talk about talk about talk about walking. I can't wait to hear your walking protocol. walking protocol. walking protocol. Well, there is a Well, there is a protocol. So, and I'll start with the first thing, right? Because just first off, uh let me start with this. One of the reasons why walking um is such a great form of just activity is because it's low risk of injury.

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