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But first, let's get through everything that is going on in through everything that is going on in through everything that is going on in the world. Trump is attempting what he the world. Trump is attempting what he the world. Trump is attempting what he calls a humanitarian effort to get ships calls a humanitarian effort to get ships calls a humanitarian effort to get ships through the straight of Hormuse. This is through the straight of Hormuse. This is through the straight of Hormuse. This is Project Freedom. So far, it is Project Freedom. So far, it is Project Freedom. So far, it is struggling to deliver results. We'll see struggling to deliver results. We'll see struggling to deliver results. We'll see what comes of that. Trump is also what comes of that. Trump is also what comes of that. Trump is also withdrawing troops from Germany after withdrawing troops from Germany after withdrawing troops from Germany after the chancellor said that Iran is the chancellor said that Iran is the chancellor said that Iran is humiliating the US. Trump vows that he's humiliating the US. Trump vows that he's humiliating the US. Trump vows that he's going to do a lot more than the initial going to do a lot more than the initial going to do a lot more than the initial 5,000 troops that he's talking about 5,000 troops that he's talking about 5,000 troops that he's talking about now. We'll see how far that goes. Uh now. We'll see how far that goes. Uh now. We'll see how far that goes. Uh more wild words uh for all of Europe. In more wild words uh for all of Europe. In more wild words uh for all of Europe. In fact, China makes it clear that they fact, China makes it clear that they fact, China makes it clear that they will not recognize US sanctions over the will not recognize US sanctions over the will not recognize US sanctions over the purchase of Iranian oil. and that is purchase of Iranian oil. and that is purchase of Iranian oil. and that is pitting the two largest economies pitting the two largest economies pitting the two largest economies against each other in a standoff. Uh against each other in a standoff. Uh against each other in a standoff. Uh that could get very messy. Elizabeth that could get very messy. Elizabeth that could get very messy. Elizabeth Warren sells 20,000 shares of Spirit Warren sells 20,000 shares of Spirit Warren sells 20,000 shares of Spirit Airlines just two weeks before it goes Airlines just two weeks before it goes Airlines just two weeks before it goes under. Man, she's good. She's so good. under. Man, she's good. She's so good. under. Man, she's good. She's so good. There are so many people, Drew, in uh There are so many people, Drew, in uh There are so many people, Drew, in uh Congress that are just unbelievable Congress that are just unbelievable Congress that are just unbelievable traders. What is their secret? The traders. What is their secret? The traders. What is their secret? The >> timing is just impeccable, >> timing is just impeccable, >> timing is just impeccable, >> you know. And in [laughter] unrelated >> you know. And in [laughter] unrelated >> you know. And in [laughter] unrelated news, Representative Tim Burett points news, Representative Tim Burett points news, Representative Tim Burett points out how corrupt DC is when it comes to out how corrupt DC is when it comes to out how corrupt DC is when it comes to investing. We'll see if it ever stops. investing. We'll see if it ever stops. investing. We'll see if it ever stops. Warren Buffett said at his most recent Warren Buffett said at his most recent Warren Buffett said at his most recent shareholder meeting that people are shareholder meeting that people are shareholder meeting that people are treating the stock market like a casino treating the stock market like a casino treating the stock market like a casino in record numbers. Drew, have we heard in record numbers. Drew, have we heard in record numbers. Drew, have we heard anybody else say that? I feel like I anybody else say that? I feel like I anybody else say that? I feel like I feel like someone around here has said feel like someone around here has said feel like someone around here has said that over and over again. that over and over again. that over and over again. >> Still brewing in there. >> Still brewing in there. >> Still brewing in there. >> All right. In an effort to curb fraud >> All right. In an effort to curb fraud >> All right. In an effort to curb fraud and abuse, all SNAP uh benefit and abuse, all SNAP uh benefit and abuse, all SNAP uh benefit recipients are going to need to reapply. recipients are going to need to reapply. recipients are going to need to reapply. We've got a story on that one. Marjgerie We've got a story on that one. Marjgerie We've got a story on that one. Marjgerie Taylor Green put Trump on blast for not Taylor Green put Trump on blast for not Taylor Green put Trump on blast for not releasing the Epstein files. That one's releasing the Epstein files. That one's releasing the Epstein files. That one's not going away. New data shows men have not going away. New data shows men have not going away. New data shows men have remained constant with their political remained constant with their political remained constant with their political views, but women have skewed far more views, but women have skewed far more views, but women have skewed far more liberal, and we've all been living liberal, and we've all been living liberal, and we've all been living through the consequences of that. So, through the consequences of that. So, through the consequences of that. So, we're going to be talking about that and we're going to be talking about that and we're going to be talking about that and a whole lot more. Shout out to our Kshi a whole lot more. Shout out to our Kshi a whole lot more. Shout out to our Kshi sponsor for today's episode who we turn sponsor for today's episode who we turn sponsor for today's episode who we turn to for understanding what the odds are to for understanding what the odds are to for understanding what the odds are of a given situation. Uh it's really of a given situation. Uh it's really of a given situation. Uh it's really been interesting watching Khi rise as been interesting watching Khi rise as been interesting watching Khi rise as fast as they have for people trying to fast as they have for people trying to fast as they have for people trying to not only uh place their bets on culture not only uh place their bets on culture not only uh place their bets on culture but also just get an understanding of but also just get an understanding of but also just get an understanding of where culture is. Uh so super honored where culture is. Uh so super honored where culture is. Uh so super honored that those guys have uh shown us some that those guys have uh shown us some that those guys have uh shown us some love. So shout out to those guys. All love. So shout out to those guys. All love. So shout out to those guys. All right, Drew. It continues to be a right, Drew. It continues to be a right, Drew. It continues to be a fascinating moment in history. fascinating moment in history. fascinating moment in history. >> Yes, there's been a lot of changes in >> Yes, there's been a lot of changes in >> Yes, there's been a lot of changes in the Middle East region. The straight her the Middle East region. The straight her the Middle East region. The straight her moose drama has continued to be drama. moose drama has continued to be drama. moose drama has continued to be drama. Um, bringing it over to the Kashi Um, bringing it over to the Kashi Um, bringing it over to the Kashi prediction markets, they are pretty much prediction markets, they are pretty much prediction markets, they are pretty much pricing in that the price of oil will pricing in that the price of oil will pricing in that the price of oil will stay above 111. 54% chance that'll be stay above 111. 54% chance that'll be stay above 111. 54% chance that'll be 11050. 44% chance above 111. To me, that 11050. 44% chance above 111. To me, that 11050. 44% chance above 111. To me, that just means that the market thinks that just means that the market thinks that just means that the market thinks that there's going to be more turmoil in the there's going to be more turmoil in the there's going to be more turmoil in the straight of Hormuse. This is going to be straight of Hormuse. This is going to be straight of Hormuse. This is going to be done. done. done. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No time soon. a safe bet. >> No time soon. a safe bet. >> No time soon. a safe bet. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I think that is very wise on >> Yeah. I I think that is very wise on >> Yeah. I I think that is very wise on behalf of the public. Though I'm behalf of the public. Though I'm behalf of the public. Though I'm surprised that the numbers aren't a surprised that the numbers aren't a surprised that the numbers aren't a little bit more wild because little bit more wild because little bit more wild because I don't see what people think the end of I don't see what people think the end of I don't see what people think the end of this is. So, uh, we're starting to hear this is. So, uh, we're starting to hear this is. So, uh, we're starting to hear rumors coming out of Iran that they are rumors coming out of Iran that they are rumors coming out of Iran that they are more likely, I should say the US is more likely, I should say the US is more likely, I should say the US is reporting on the word coming out of reporting on the word coming out of reporting on the word coming out of Iran, which is that, um, the they're Iran, which is that, um, the they're Iran, which is that, um, the they're going to for the first time be flexible going to for the first time be flexible going to for the first time be flexible on some of their nuclear ambitions. Now, on some of their nuclear ambitions. Now, on some of their nuclear ambitions. Now, we'll see how true that ends up being. I we'll see how true that ends up being. I we'll see how true that ends up being. I think a more realistic read is probably think a more realistic read is probably think a more realistic read is probably that we don't exactly know who's in that we don't exactly know who's in that we don't exactly know who's in control. control. control. There's probably nobody speaking with There's probably nobody speaking with There's probably nobody speaking with one authoritative voice that can one authoritative voice that can one authoritative voice that can actually see this all the way through. actually see this all the way through. actually see this all the way through. We talked about in our initial coverage We talked about in our initial coverage We talked about in our initial coverage of the war that one of the brilliant of the war that one of the brilliant of the war that one of the brilliant moves that the Iranians did was that moves that the Iranians did was that moves that the Iranians did was that they decentralized command. So, you have they decentralized command. So, you have they decentralized command. So, you have a whole bunch of people that if the head a whole bunch of people that if the head a whole bunch of people that if the head gets lpped off, which it obviously was gets lpped off, which it obviously was gets lpped off, which it obviously was in the early days uh and the early in the early days uh and the early in the early days uh and the early minutes of the strikes, that they would minutes of the strikes, that they would minutes of the strikes, that they would still have people that understood the still have people that understood the still have people that understood the assignment before um the Supreme Leader assignment before um the Supreme Leader assignment before um the Supreme Leader was killed. And so, I think that we're was killed. And so, I think that we're was killed. And so, I think that we're still struggling with a lot of that. You still struggling with a lot of that. You still struggling with a lot of that. You hear Trump make reference to it all the hear Trump make reference to it all the hear Trump make reference to it all the time that there's been regime change. time that there's been regime change. time that there's been regime change. These guys are much more reasonable. These guys are much more reasonable. These guys are much more reasonable. We'll see. I think that the reason that We'll see. I think that the reason that We'll see. I think that the reason that he'll say one thing and then a ship will he'll say one thing and then a ship will he'll say one thing and then a ship will still get attacked in the straight of still get attacked in the straight of still get attacked in the straight of four moves is that you have that four moves is that you have that four moves is that you have that decentralized command that there are decentralized command that there are decentralized command that there are people that are making decisions based people that are making decisions based people that are making decisions based on the initial thinking which I mean on the initial thinking which I mean on the initial thinking which I mean look there's so much propaganda it is so look there's so much propaganda it is so look there's so much propaganda it is so hard to know what's really true uh but hard to know what's really true uh but hard to know what's really true uh but if it's true that you still have regime if it's true that you still have regime if it's true that you still have regime uh pro- regime elements marching in uh pro- regime elements marching in uh pro- regime elements marching in freedom square I think it's called freedom square I think it's called freedom square I think it's called freedom square uh in tyrron um basically freedom square uh in tyrron um basically freedom square uh in tyrron um basically saying nope we support this regime we saying nope we support this regime we saying nope we support this regime we support the new supreme leader. Um if support the new supreme leader. Um if support the new supreme leader. Um if there is as much support for him as there is as much support for him as there is as much support for him as we're being asked to believe, then um we're being asked to believe, then um we're being asked to believe, then um unless they see a path to their own unless they see a path to their own unless they see a path to their own victory, something that they can claim victory, something that they can claim victory, something that they can claim is a win. I think they're going to keep is a win. I think they're going to keep is a win. I think they're going to keep doubling down and doubling down and doubling down and doubling down and doubling down and doubling down and doubling down. So I don't think this is doubling down. So I don't think this is doubling down. So I don't think this is going away anytime soon. Uh I think this going away anytime soon. Uh I think this going away anytime soon. Uh I think this is a classic case of it's easy to start is a classic case of it's easy to start is a classic case of it's easy to start a war and it's very hard to get out. Um a war and it's very hard to get out. Um a war and it's very hard to get out. Um so yeah, so yeah, so yeah, >> here we are. >> here we are. >> here we are. >> The president over the weekend also >> The president over the weekend also >> The president over the weekend also announced Project Freedom. Let's go to announced Project Freedom. Let's go to announced Project Freedom. Let's go to Fox News. They covered it this weekend. Fox News. They covered it this weekend. Fox News. They covered it this weekend. >> Project Freedom launched this morning. >> Project Freedom launched this morning. >> Project Freedom launched this morning. The president calls it a humanitarian The president calls it a humanitarian The president calls it a humanitarian effort to safely guide some 800 cargo effort to safely guide some 800 cargo effort to safely guide some 800 cargo ships and tankers and their 20,000 crew ships and tankers and their 20,000 crew ships and tankers and their 20,000 crew members safely out of the straight of members safely out of the straight of members safely out of the straight of Hormuz. The president says these Hormuz. The president says these Hormuz. The president says these stranded ships are running out of food stranded ships are running out of food stranded ships are running out of food and supplies and are merely neutral and supplies and are merely neutral and supplies and are merely neutral bystanders in this whole thing. In a bystanders in this whole thing. In a bystanders in this whole thing. In a very very very >> all the people stuck on the ships. >> all the people stuck on the ships. >> all the people stuck on the ships. >> Yeah, just kind of waiting for it all to >> Yeah, just kind of waiting for it all to >> Yeah, just kind of waiting for it all to play out. The true social post, the play out. The true social post, the play out. The true social post, the president Trump, President Trump went on president Trump, President Trump went on president Trump, President Trump went on to say, "For the good of Iran, the to say, "For the good of Iran, the to say, "For the good of Iran, the Middle East, and the United States, Middle East, and the United States, Middle East, and the United States, we've told these countries that we will we've told these countries that we will we've told these countries that we will guide their ships safely out of these guide their ships safely out of these guide their ships safely out of these restricted waterways so that they can restricted waterways so that they can restricted waterways so that they can freely and abley get on with their freely and abley get on with their freely and abley get on with their business." The ship movement is merely business." The ship movement is merely business." The ship movement is merely meant to free up people, companies, and meant to free up people, companies, and meant to free up people, companies, and countries that have done absolutely countries that have done absolutely countries that have done absolutely nothing wrong. They are victims of nothing wrong. They are victims of nothing wrong. They are victims of circumstance. This is a humanitarian circumstance. This is a humanitarian circumstance. This is a humanitarian gesture. gesture. gesture. >> Really funny hearing China respond to >> Really funny hearing China respond to >> Really funny hearing China respond to all this stuff. like when um Trump put all this stuff. like when um Trump put all this stuff. like when um Trump put something out, I'm going to paraphrase, something out, I'm going to paraphrase, something out, I'm going to paraphrase, but it was like, I don't think China has but it was like, I don't think China has but it was like, I don't think China has the uh appetite to open the straight and the uh appetite to open the straight and the uh appetite to open the straight and then they clap back and we're like, the then they clap back and we're like, the then they clap back and we're like, the straight was open before you went in straight was open before you went in straight was open before you went in there, bro. [laughter] What do you got there, bro. [laughter] What do you got there, bro. [laughter] What do you got to do with that? to do with that? to do with that? >> No sanctions don't matter to us. We >> No sanctions don't matter to us. We >> No sanctions don't matter to us. We already got our deal going. Mind your already got our deal going. Mind your already got our deal going. Mind your business, Trump. business, Trump. business, Trump. >> Yeah. So uh in in a world where the >> Yeah. So uh in in a world where the >> Yeah. So uh in in a world where the information flows this rapidly information flows this rapidly information flows this rapidly >> and this kind of thing can get out to >> and this kind of thing can get out to >> and this kind of thing can get out to the world, we are uh going to have a the world, we are uh going to have a the world, we are uh going to have a pretty fascinating time as we collide pretty fascinating time as we collide pretty fascinating time as we collide headon with China. Um this is not headon with China. Um this is not headon with China. Um this is not something we're going to be able to something we're going to be able to something we're going to be able to brush off. We have a bigger story about brush off. We have a bigger story about brush off. We have a bigger story about that in the future, but um you know, one that in the future, but um you know, one that in the future, but um you know, one of the things that I was beating the of the things that I was beating the of the things that I was beating the drum about before things really kicked drum about before things really kicked drum about before things really kicked off in Iran is this moment is about US off in Iran is this moment is about US off in Iran is this moment is about US and China. This moment is about US and and China. This moment is about US and and China. This moment is about US and China. And despite the fact that all the China. And despite the fact that all the China. And despite the fact that all the headlines are about Iran, this moment is headlines are about Iran, this moment is headlines are about Iran, this moment is still about the US and China. Now, um still about the US and China. Now, um still about the US and China. Now, um you've got Marco Rubio really drawing you've got Marco Rubio really drawing you've got Marco Rubio really drawing the lines of the new cold war. And the lines of the new cold war. And the lines of the new cold war. And certainly there's a trifecta of China, certainly there's a trifecta of China, certainly there's a trifecta of China, Iran, and Russia. Um but in terms of Iran, and Russia. Um but in terms of Iran, and Russia. Um but in terms of who's the big player in those three, who's the big player in those three, who's the big player in those three, it's China by a country mile. And so I it's China by a country mile. And so I it's China by a country mile. And so I mean, I hate that this is true, but it's mean, I hate that this is true, but it's mean, I hate that this is true, but it's like people really have to pay attention like people really have to pay attention like people really have to pay attention to Thusidity's trap, what that looks to Thusidity's trap, what that looks to Thusidity's trap, what that looks like. And I think Trump may be the the like. And I think Trump may be the the like. And I think Trump may be the the most likely to be ins snared in most likely to be ins snared in most likely to be ins snared in Thusidity's trap. Like it just from a Thusidity's trap. Like it just from a Thusidity's trap. Like it just from a personality standpoint, everything that personality standpoint, everything that personality standpoint, everything that he's been doing since he came back into he's been doing since he came back into he's been doing since he came back into office is completely in alignment with office is completely in alignment with office is completely in alignment with that. Now the problem with Thusidity's that. Now the problem with Thusidity's that. Now the problem with Thusidity's trap is you can't do nothing. And so um trap is you can't do nothing. And so um trap is you can't do nothing. And so um you can't just take a backseat, let your you can't just take a backseat, let your you can't just take a backseat, let your country decline. You do have to do country decline. You do have to do country decline. You do have to do something. Um but oo I don't know that something. Um but oo I don't know that something. Um but oo I don't know that this is the something that you have to this is the something that you have to this is the something that you have to do. So, it will be um it will be do. So, it will be um it will be do. So, it will be um it will be interesting to see how the early moves interesting to see how the early moves interesting to see how the early moves in this play out with us and China from in this play out with us and China from in this play out with us and China from an economic standpoint because if we an economic standpoint because if we an economic standpoint because if we lose any ability to sanction China, um lose any ability to sanction China, um lose any ability to sanction China, um which we'll we'll get to in a second, which we'll we'll get to in a second, which we'll we'll get to in a second, the mechanisms the mechanisms of how the mechanisms the mechanisms of how the mechanisms the mechanisms of how China is combating this is very China is combating this is very China is combating this is very interesting. Uh we'll talk about that in interesting. Uh we'll talk about that in interesting. Uh we'll talk about that in a second. But yeah, this this is not a second. But yeah, this this is not a second. But yeah, this this is not something that we can just brush off. something that we can just brush off. something that we can just brush off. But I think what's interesting about the But I think what's interesting about the But I think what's interesting about the Project Freedom spin is that making it a Project Freedom spin is that making it a Project Freedom spin is that making it a humanitarian effort, he might be able to humanitarian effort, he might be able to humanitarian effort, he might be able to win the culture war or at least shift win the culture war or at least shift win the culture war or at least shift the narrative that's happening in Iran the narrative that's happening in Iran the narrative that's happening in Iran right now. right now. right now. >> I don't think so. I I think the reality >> I don't think so. I I think the reality >> I don't think so. I I think the reality is Trump is every day that the war goes is Trump is every day that the war goes is Trump is every day that the war goes on, he becomes more unpopular here at on, he becomes more unpopular here at on, he becomes more unpopular here at home and here at home is ultimately all home and here at home is ultimately all home and here at home is ultimately all that matters. He's already alienated all that matters. He's already alienated all that matters. He's already alienated all of our allies. He's certainly not going of our allies. He's certainly not going of our allies. He's certainly not going to win them back with this. Um his only to win them back with this. Um his only to win them back with this. Um his only hope is that China has been doing some hope is that China has been doing some hope is that China has been doing some head faints that they're interested in head faints that they're interested in head faints that they're interested in Project Freedom, but they're not going Project Freedom, but they're not going Project Freedom, but they're not going to get involved. And at the same time, to get involved. And at the same time, to get involved. And at the same time, they're clapping back on us hard on the they're clapping back on us hard on the they're clapping back on us hard on the sanction side. So we certainly can't sanction side. So we certainly can't sanction side. So we certainly can't expect anything coordinated there. And expect anything coordinated there. And expect anything coordinated there. And like their official messaging is like their official messaging is like their official messaging is essentially nil. People are saying like essentially nil. People are saying like essentially nil. People are saying like they're signaling openness, but that's they're signaling openness, but that's they're signaling openness, but that's going to be pretty vague. It's not going going to be pretty vague. It's not going going to be pretty vague. It's not going to be anything that will win people over to be anything that will win people over to be anything that will win people over unless they take action and Trump can unless they take action and Trump can unless they take action and Trump can say, "Listen, armor G. Here I am. We're say, "Listen, armor G. Here I am. We're say, "Listen, armor G. Here I am. We're having our meeting and it's going having our meeting and it's going having our meeting and it's going swimmingly well. He's totally behind. swimmingly well. He's totally behind. swimmingly well. He's totally behind. Operation freedom. We're going to get Operation freedom. We're going to get Operation freedom. We're going to get those ships sailing. It's great." Then those ships sailing. It's great." Then those ships sailing. It's great." Then yes, that would be a victory. I am yes, that would be a victory. I am yes, that would be a victory. I am certainly not expecting that. We'll see. certainly not expecting that. We'll see. certainly not expecting that. We'll see. But ultimately, I would expect China is But ultimately, I would expect China is But ultimately, I would expect China is going back channel to Iran. going back channel to Iran. going back channel to Iran. >> So, they're going to be coordinating >> So, they're going to be coordinating >> So, they're going to be coordinating that from that perspective. that from that perspective. that from that perspective. if if if if China wants to see this all end and if China wants to see this all end and if China wants to see this all end and they put pressure on Iran to actually they put pressure on Iran to actually they put pressure on Iran to actually give us the um give us the um give us the um the end of the blockade. So that they're the end of the blockade. So that they're the end of the blockade. So that they're saying, "Listen, you got to give saying, "Listen, you got to give saying, "Listen, you got to give something up. You've got to let Trump something up. You've got to let Trump something up. You've got to let Trump take a victory lap on the nuclear side take a victory lap on the nuclear side take a victory lap on the nuclear side of things. Uh there's some way for them of things. Uh there's some way for them of things. Uh there's some way for them to um reduce the potency of the um to um reduce the potency of the um to um reduce the potency of the um material that they have now." And so material that they have now." And so material that they have now." And so that I think is if if I'm China, that's that I think is if if I'm China, that's that I think is if if I'm China, that's where I'm applying the pressure. I don't where I'm applying the pressure. I don't where I'm applying the pressure. I don't care if Iran gets nuclear. If I really care if Iran gets nuclear. If I really care if Iran gets nuclear. If I really want them nuclear armed, I'll give them want them nuclear armed, I'll give them want them nuclear armed, I'll give them nuclear weapons. nuclear weapons. nuclear weapons. >> So I'm going back channel. I'm like, >> So I'm going back channel. I'm like, >> So I'm going back channel. I'm like, "Hey, you need to chill out on that. "Hey, you need to chill out on that. "Hey, you need to chill out on that. >> Let him have that win." That gives him >> Let him have that win." That gives him >> Let him have that win." That gives him what he needs to get the [ __ ] out of what he needs to get the [ __ ] out of what he needs to get the [ __ ] out of there. And then we can talk about what there. And then we can talk about what there. And then we can talk about what the go forward plan is. Whether that's the go forward plan is. Whether that's the go forward plan is. Whether that's you guys being able to charge some fee, you guys being able to charge some fee, you guys being able to charge some fee, whether that's um you charge a fee but whether that's um you charge a fee but whether that's um you charge a fee but not to us. like that will be I think not to us. like that will be I think not to us. like that will be I think where this ends up playing out. So I where this ends up playing out. So I where this ends up playing out. So I could see China applying that pressure could see China applying that pressure could see China applying that pressure to Iran. Um which could bring all of to Iran. Um which could bring all of to Iran. Um which could bring all of this to a close. But right now without this to a close. But right now without this to a close. But right now without knowing what exactly China is thinking knowing what exactly China is thinking knowing what exactly China is thinking I I I don't know that there's enough I I I don't know that there's enough I I I don't know that there's enough give on the Iranian side give on the Iranian side give on the Iranian side >> on the negotiations for Trump to get >> on the negotiations for Trump to get >> on the negotiations for Trump to get what he needs to be able to signal to what he needs to be able to signal to what he needs to be able to signal to the US that I got this done. Mhm. the US that I got this done. Mhm. the US that I got this done. Mhm. >> So we're still in a lot of question >> So we're still in a lot of question >> So we're still in a lot of question marks around the quagmire of actually marks around the quagmire of actually marks around the quagmire of actually getting free flowing oil through the getting free flowing oil through the getting free flowing oil through the straits so that the price of oil can straits so that the price of oil can straits so that the price of oil can come back down at least in the short come back down at least in the short come back down at least in the short term. I think there's plenty of time term. I think there's plenty of time term. I think there's plenty of time between now and the midterms. Um, the between now and the midterms. Um, the between now and the midterms. Um, the thing that remains a larger question thing that remains a larger question thing that remains a larger question mark for me is if this reescalates, what mark for me is if this reescalates, what mark for me is if this reescalates, what does that timeline look like for does that timeline look like for does that timeline look like for Congress to put an end to this from a Congress to put an end to this from a Congress to put an end to this from a legal perspective where Trump is unable legal perspective where Trump is unable legal perspective where Trump is unable to continue moving forward once the to continue moving forward once the to continue moving forward once the Iranians know that he can't use more Iranians know that he can't use more Iranians know that he can't use more military force? military force? military force? >> Now, they've got the leverage. >> Now, they've got the leverage. >> Now, they've got the leverage. >> Yeah. I want to kind of drill down into >> Yeah. I want to kind of drill down into >> Yeah. I want to kind of drill down into the China of it all. Um, let's break the China of it all. Um, let's break the China of it all. Um, let's break down two tweets that we've seen come in down two tweets that we've seen come in down two tweets that we've seen come in over the weekend. And one of them is over the weekend. And one of them is over the weekend. And one of them is that China says it does not recognize that China says it does not recognize that China says it does not recognize US's sanction on Iranian oil purchases US's sanction on Iranian oil purchases US's sanction on Iranian oil purchases and will not comply with them. And then and will not comply with them. And then and will not comply with them. And then the second one and I think this one is a the second one and I think this one is a the second one and I think this one is a bit more interesting. Um Trump like you bit more interesting. Um Trump like you bit more interesting. Um Trump like you said he was tweeting and saying said he was tweeting and saying said he was tweeting and saying different things. He said at 1300 we different things. He said at 1300 we different things. He said at 1300 we will impose sanctions on China for will impose sanctions on China for will impose sanctions on China for buying Iranian oil. China at 1310 we do buying Iranian oil. China at 1310 we do buying Iranian oil. China at 1310 we do not care about you. We do not recognize not care about you. We do not recognize not care about you. We do not recognize US sanctions on Iran oil purchases and US sanctions on Iran oil purchases and US sanctions on Iran oil purchases and we will not comply with them. We have we will not comply with them. We have we will not comply with them. We have trade agreements with Iran and strongly trade agreements with Iran and strongly trade agreements with Iran and strongly warned Trump not to interfere in our warned Trump not to interfere in our warned Trump not to interfere in our affairs. So it seems that they are affairs. So it seems that they are affairs. So it seems that they are pushing back actively whether it's the pushing back actively whether it's the pushing back actively whether it's the mandates, whether it's our approach. So mandates, whether it's our approach. So mandates, whether it's our approach. So what is what do you think how this like what is what do you think how this like what is what do you think how this like plays out between us and China in the plays out between us and China in the plays out between us and China in the Middle East? Middle East? Middle East? >> Well well so in the Middle East a great >> Well well so in the Middle East a great >> Well well so in the Middle East a great qualifier there at the end that keeps my qualifier there at the end that keeps my qualifier there at the end that keeps my fractal uh much tighter. So to fractal uh much tighter. So to fractal uh much tighter. So to understand what's going on, so as Drew understand what's going on, so as Drew understand what's going on, so as Drew was just reading, China just told the was just reading, China just told the was just reading, China just told the United States that uh these sanctions United States that uh these sanctions United States that uh these sanctions don't apply to us. We're not the country don't apply to us. We're not the country don't apply to us. We're not the country you're looking for. I mean, this is like you're looking for. I mean, this is like you're looking for. I mean, this is like the ultimate uh Obi-Wan droid move. On the ultimate uh Obi-Wan droid move. On the ultimate uh Obi-Wan droid move. On May 2nd, Beijing's Ministry of Commerce May 2nd, Beijing's Ministry of Commerce May 2nd, Beijing's Ministry of Commerce issued a formal injunction blocking US issued a formal injunction blocking US issued a formal injunction blocking US sanctions against five Chinese oil sanctions against five Chinese oil sanctions against five Chinese oil refineries accused of buying Iranian refineries accused of buying Iranian refineries accused of buying Iranian crude. Okay, this is where this gets crude. Okay, this is where this gets crude. Okay, this is where this gets really interesting. It's the first time really interesting. It's the first time really interesting. It's the first time China has ever activated its 2021 China has ever activated its 2021 China has ever activated its 2021 blocking rules, as they're known. It's a blocking rules, as they're known. It's a blocking rules, as they're known. It's a legal weapon that Beijing built 5 years legal weapon that Beijing built 5 years legal weapon that Beijing built 5 years ago, but they never used it. Now, ago, but they never used it. Now, ago, but they never used it. Now, obviously, they're going to push this obviously, they're going to push this obviously, they're going to push this through, but the way that it works is through, but the way that it works is through, but the way that it works is really unexpected, fascinating, and really unexpected, fascinating, and really unexpected, fascinating, and shows that this is going to escalate as shows that this is going to escalate as shows that this is going to escalate as a as a proper showdown. So, in plain a as a proper showdown. So, in plain a as a proper showdown. So, in plain English, the blocking rules are a legal English, the blocking rules are a legal English, the blocking rules are a legal mechanism designed to neutralize foreign mechanism designed to neutralize foreign mechanism designed to neutralize foreign sh sanctions inside China's borders. sh sanctions inside China's borders. sh sanctions inside China's borders. Okay, so this is China putting pressure Okay, so this is China putting pressure Okay, so this is China putting pressure on Chinese companies. So, the Ministry on Chinese companies. So, the Ministry on Chinese companies. So, the Ministry of Commerce can issue an injunction of Commerce can issue an injunction of Commerce can issue an injunction declaring specific foreign sanctions are declaring specific foreign sanctions are declaring specific foreign sanctions are illegal under Chinese law. So, dear illegal under Chinese law. So, dear illegal under Chinese law. So, dear Chinese companies, I get it. The US is Chinese companies, I get it. The US is Chinese companies, I get it. The US is going to sanction you. They're going to going to sanction you. They're going to going to sanction you. They're going to punish you. They're going to try in punish you. They're going to try in punish you. They're going to try in every way, shape, or form that they can every way, shape, or form that they can every way, shape, or form that they can to cause you pain so that you will to cause you pain so that you will to cause you pain so that you will acquies so that you don't have those acquies so that you don't have those acquies so that you don't have those things placed against you. And you will things placed against you. And you will things placed against you. And you will change your pricing or your deal making, change your pricing or your deal making, change your pricing or your deal making, whatever it is that the sanction whatever it is that the sanction whatever it is that the sanction mandates. But once this injunction is in mandates. But once this injunction is in mandates. But once this injunction is in place, the calculus of all that flips place, the calculus of all that flips place, the calculus of all that flips for every company operating in China for every company operating in China for every company operating in China because it basically says you comply because it basically says you comply because it basically says you comply with this foreign sanction from the US with this foreign sanction from the US with this foreign sanction from the US and you've now broken Chinese law and and you've now broken Chinese law and and you've now broken Chinese law and the penalties have teeth. Chinese firms the penalties have teeth. Chinese firms the penalties have teeth. Chinese firms harmed by another company's compliance harmed by another company's compliance harmed by another company's compliance with US sanctions can sue for damages in with US sanctions can sue for damages in with US sanctions can sue for damages in Chinese courts. So if the US does Chinese courts. So if the US does Chinese courts. So if the US does something to a Chinese company that something to a Chinese company that something to a Chinese company that causes a Chinese company to do something causes a Chinese company to do something causes a Chinese company to do something that say increases their prices for a that say increases their prices for a that say increases their prices for a good that another company needs to buy. good that another company needs to buy. good that another company needs to buy. So energy being a just absolutely So energy being a just absolutely So energy being a just absolutely obvious example here that company who's obvious example here that company who's obvious example here that company who's like hey because you complied with US like hey because you complied with US like hey because you complied with US sanctions my costs have now go up I can sanctions my costs have now go up I can sanctions my costs have now go up I can sue you. You can imagine that puts those sue you. You can imagine that puts those sue you. You can imagine that puts those companies that are caught between companies that are caught between companies that are caught between they're yes they're Chinese companies or they're yes they're Chinese companies or they're yes they're Chinese companies or companies operating in China but they're companies operating in China but they're companies operating in China but they're now stuck between who do I fear more now stuck between who do I fear more now stuck between who do I fear more China or the US. So Beijing can hit a China or the US. So Beijing can hit a China or the US. So Beijing can hit a non-compliant entity with regulatory non-compliant entity with regulatory non-compliant entity with regulatory fines, asset freezes, uh and an fines, asset freezes, uh and an fines, asset freezes, uh and an inclusion on what they call the inclusion on what they call the inclusion on what they call the malicious entity list, effectively malicious entity list, effectively malicious entity list, effectively blacklisting them from the Chinese blacklisting them from the Chinese blacklisting them from the Chinese market. So, everyone's going to have to market. So, everyone's going to have to market. So, everyone's going to have to decide, am I gonna back the US or the decide, am I gonna back the US or the decide, am I gonna back the US or the CCP? And that I would not want to be CCP? And that I would not want to be CCP? And that I would not want to be caught between those two powers. But caught between those two powers. But caught between those two powers. But this is what this moment is. This is, this is what this moment is. This is, this is what this moment is. This is, watch what Trump is saying. Trump now watch what Trump is saying. Trump now watch what Trump is saying. Trump now talks almost exclusively about our talks almost exclusively about our talks almost exclusively about our sphere of influence. So, does he ever sphere of influence. So, does he ever sphere of influence. So, does he ever say sphere of influence? Not usually. He say sphere of influence? Not usually. He say sphere of influence? Not usually. He just says our hemisphere. But what he's just says our hemisphere. But what he's just says our hemisphere. But what he's talking about is our sphere of talking about is our sphere of talking about is our sphere of influence. So when you hear either Rubio influence. So when you hear either Rubio influence. So when you hear either Rubio saying that or Trump saying that saying that or Trump saying that saying that or Trump saying that directly, what they're saying is we're directly, what they're saying is we're directly, what they're saying is we're not the world's policemen anymore that not the world's policemen anymore that not the world's policemen anymore that they might as well be shouting the old they might as well be shouting the old they might as well be shouting the old world order is dead. There is a new world order is dead. There is a new world order is dead. There is a new world order that we are putting in place world order that we are putting in place world order that we are putting in place right now. We are letting go of much of, right now. We are letting go of much of, right now. We are letting go of much of, not all definitely, but we are letting not all definitely, but we are letting not all definitely, but we are letting go of much of the world that is beyond go of much of the world that is beyond go of much of the world that is beyond what they're calling the greater North what they're calling the greater North what they're calling the greater North America. And China, you go do your America. And China, you go do your America. And China, you go do your thing. We're going to do ours. Do not thing. We're going to do ours. Do not thing. We're going to do ours. Do not mess with us in our sphere of influence. mess with us in our sphere of influence. mess with us in our sphere of influence. we will I won't say not mess with you we will I won't say not mess with you we will I won't say not mess with you because they certainly try to get their because they certainly try to get their because they certainly try to get their tentacles but they're they're really tentacles but they're they're really tentacles but they're they're really backing off the posture like for anybody backing off the posture like for anybody backing off the posture like for anybody that was around in the 90s and the 2000s that was around in the 90s and the 2000s that was around in the 90s and the 2000s even early 2010s like we were the even early 2010s like we were the even early 2010s like we were the dominant player on the global stage but dominant player on the global stage but dominant player on the global stage but getting China into the WTO just changed getting China into the WTO just changed getting China into the WTO just changed everything those guys have become an everything those guys have become an everything those guys have become an economic powerhouse and because of that economic powerhouse and because of that economic powerhouse and because of that it's just a different world and I don't it's just a different world and I don't it's just a different world and I don't if you guys are old enough to have seen if you guys are old enough to have seen if you guys are old enough to have seen how all of this changed. I get how how all of this changed. I get how how all of this changed. I get how there's just a blind spot to what's there's just a blind spot to what's there's just a blind spot to what's really happening. But if you've been really happening. But if you've been really happening. But if you've been around as long as I have, it's like all around as long as I have, it's like all around as long as I have, it's like all of a sudden you start realizing, whoa, of a sudden you start realizing, whoa, of a sudden you start realizing, whoa, this is a massive change in rhetoric. this is a massive change in rhetoric. this is a massive change in rhetoric. But this is this is not going to be just But this is this is not going to be just But this is this is not going to be just some smooth walk in that direction. some smooth walk in that direction. some smooth walk in that direction. There is this insanely bizarre There is this insanely bizarre There is this insanely bizarre confluence of things that are all confluence of things that are all confluence of things that are all happening, coming together in this happening, coming together in this happening, coming together in this moment where it is going to be a very moment where it is going to be a very moment where it is going to be a very dramatic economic hopefully it stays in dramatic economic hopefully it stays in dramatic economic hopefully it stays in the realm of economic showdown between the realm of economic showdown between the realm of economic showdown between the US and China. And so all eyes on the US and China. And so all eyes on the US and China. And so all eyes on this. Do not let Iran be a distraction this. Do not let Iran be a distraction this. Do not let Iran be a distraction between what is really playing out. between what is really playing out. between what is really playing out. Watch how every move reverberates back Watch how every move reverberates back Watch how every move reverberates back to the US via uh the Chinese. And dude, to the US via uh the Chinese. And dude, to the US via uh the Chinese. And dude, this one is fascinating because China is this one is fascinating because China is this one is fascinating because China is turning its guns inward. That was the turning its guns inward. That was the turning its guns inward. That was the thing that I thought was um really thing that I thought was um really thing that I thought was um really fascinating and just saying everybody fascinating and just saying everybody fascinating and just saying everybody make a choice. And so, man, this is such make a choice. And so, man, this is such make a choice. And so, man, this is such a flashback to the 80s where it really a flashback to the 80s where it really a flashback to the 80s where it really became about two economic models, two became about two economic models, two became about two economic models, two value sets where it's like, listen, this value sets where it's like, listen, this value sets where it's like, listen, this is a this is if I'm China, this is my is a this is if I'm China, this is my is a this is if I'm China, this is my pitch. This is a very chaotic time. pitch. This is a very chaotic time. pitch. This is a very chaotic time. Nobody's ever seen anything like it. Uh, Nobody's ever seen anything like it. Uh, Nobody's ever seen anything like it. Uh, and because we China have 5,000 years of and because we China have 5,000 years of and because we China have 5,000 years of history, we can look back and go, every history, we can look back and go, every history, we can look back and go, every time like this, it you need a strong time like this, it you need a strong time like this, it you need a strong government. Otherwise, the catastrophe government. Otherwise, the catastrophe government. Otherwise, the catastrophe is so big that it is very worth giving is so big that it is very worth giving is so big that it is very worth giving up your personal liberties and your up your personal liberties and your up your personal liberties and your freedoms. Just get behind us. We're freedoms. Just get behind us. We're freedoms. Just get behind us. We're going to keep stability. We're going to going to keep stability. We're going to going to keep stability. We're going to make sure you guys are safe and sound. make sure you guys are safe and sound. make sure you guys are safe and sound. We're going to focus on economic growth. We're going to focus on economic growth. We're going to focus on economic growth. You're going to be good. And the US is You're going to be good. And the US is You're going to be good. And the US is historically leaned into its freedoms, historically leaned into its freedoms, historically leaned into its freedoms, but we're in a and the pitch goes very but we're in a and the pitch goes very but we're in a and the pitch goes very similar. Hey, it's a chaotic time. The similar. Hey, it's a chaotic time. The similar. Hey, it's a chaotic time. The only way to get through this is the only way to get through this is the only way to get through this is the entrepreneurial spirit. Really taking entrepreneurial spirit. Really taking entrepreneurial spirit. Really taking advantage of the unique thing that makes advantage of the unique thing that makes advantage of the unique thing that makes America America is we're, you know, this America America is we're, you know, this America America is we're, you know, this do or die by your bootstraps uh place do or die by your bootstraps uh place do or die by your bootstraps uh place where we have blazed a path forward for where we have blazed a path forward for where we have blazed a path forward for the last 250 years that has made us the the last 250 years that has made us the the last 250 years that has made us the dominant superpower in the world. Now is dominant superpower in the world. Now is dominant superpower in the world. Now is not the time to abandon those not the time to abandon those not the time to abandon those principles. And China's just always principles. And China's just always principles. And China's just always copied us. We are meant to be the copied us. We are meant to be the copied us. We are meant to be the leaders. Like come on, let's do this leaders. Like come on, let's do this leaders. Like come on, let's do this thing. But in the age of social media, thing. But in the age of social media, thing. But in the age of social media, that's going to get weird. And so the that's going to get weird. And so the that's going to get weird. And so the Chinese have the ability to really clamp Chinese have the ability to really clamp Chinese have the ability to really clamp down, to keep people silent. James down, to keep people silent. James down, to keep people silent. James Bernham, James Burnham. And so it's like Bernham, James Burnham. And so it's like Bernham, James Burnham. And so it's like all those things that I worry about all those things that I worry about all those things that I worry about being an uh an outcome of the velocity being an uh an outcome of the velocity being an uh an outcome of the velocity and volume of information, the and volume of information, the and volume of information, the confusion, the populism, all of that. confusion, the populism, all of that. confusion, the populism, all of that. China has a mechanism of internal force China has a mechanism of internal force China has a mechanism of internal force where they can curb a lot of that. And where they can curb a lot of that. And where they can curb a lot of that. And so we're gonna see these two things so we're gonna see these two things so we're gonna see these two things collide at at an unprecedented time in collide at at an unprecedented time in collide at at an unprecedented time in the world. So, um, man, do ask follow-up the world. So, um, man, do ask follow-up the world. So, um, man, do ask follow-up questions if any of that was unclear questions if any of that was unclear questions if any of that was unclear because I'm saying this stuff out loud because I'm saying this stuff out loud because I'm saying this stuff out loud for the first time. But that like swirl for the first time. But that like swirl for the first time. But that like swirl of things is going to control the next of things is going to control the next of things is going to control the next three years. three years. three years. >> And but to your point though, would you >> And but to your point though, would you >> And but to your point though, would you say China has an advantage in that way? say China has an advantage in that way? say China has an advantage in that way? the fact that they do turn inward. They the fact that they do turn inward. They the fact that they do turn inward. They can do one state, one media message, one can do one state, one media message, one can do one state, one media message, one government type way to push them through government type way to push them through government type way to push them through the uncertainty where in America we're the uncertainty where in America we're the uncertainty where in America we're still infighting and fighting against still infighting and fighting against still infighting and fighting against ourselves and a war and all these other ourselves and a war and all these other ourselves and a war and all these other things. I have a very strong operating things. I have a very strong operating things. I have a very strong operating assumption that freedom is the only path assumption that freedom is the only path assumption that freedom is the only path forward because what ends up happening forward because what ends up happening forward because what ends up happening and I'll talk about this when we get to and I'll talk about this when we get to and I'll talk about this when we get to the male female dynamic later in the the male female dynamic later in the the male female dynamic later in the show show show >> when you have a dictator if they're >> when you have a dictator if they're >> when you have a dictator if they're right everything's great right everything's great right everything's great >> the second they're wrong it's more >> the second they're wrong it's more >> the second they're wrong it's more catastrophic than all the infighting and catastrophic than all the infighting and catastrophic than all the infighting and all that and so what's fascinating is all that and so what's fascinating is all that and so what's fascinating is China will tell you that they've only China will tell you that they've only China will tell you that they've only had one civil war, but what they won't had one civil war, but what they won't had one civil war, but what they won't talk about is how fractured they were talk about is how fractured they were talk about is how fractured they were for a very, very, very long time, for a very, very, very long time, for a very, very, very long time, >> but the most deadly thing that China has >> but the most deadly thing that China has >> but the most deadly thing that China has ever gone through is Mao. So that's what ever gone through is Mao. So that's what ever gone through is Mao. So that's what happens when one guy has total control happens when one guy has total control happens when one guy has total control of the country and then he's wrong. And of the country and then he's wrong. And of the country and then he's wrong. And this, please trust me when I say this is this, please trust me when I say this is this, please trust me when I say this is only one example. It's just the most only one example. It's just the most only one example. It's just the most stark. He was like, "Listen, the way stark. He was like, "Listen, the way stark. He was like, "Listen, the way that we cuz he understood what he had to that we cuz he understood what he had to that we cuz he understood what he had to accomplish in international affairs." So accomplish in international affairs." So accomplish in international affairs." So he was like, "Everybody's going to plant he was like, "Everybody's going to plant he was like, "Everybody's going to plant this set of crops and they're all going this set of crops and they're all going this set of crops and they're all going to do it at the these exact times." And to do it at the these exact times." And to do it at the these exact times." And people tried to tell him that's not how people tried to tell him that's not how people tried to tell him that's not how geography and climates work. China's a geography and climates work. China's a geography and climates work. China's a gigantic country. What works in one gigantic country. What works in one gigantic country. What works in one place will not work in the other. And he place will not work in the other. And he place will not work in the other. And he just had those people killed. And so just had those people killed. And so just had those people killed. And so they ended up doing that. Obviously, they ended up doing that. Obviously, they ended up doing that. Obviously, people starve on mass. 45 million people starve on mass. 45 million people starve on mass. 45 million people. absolutely insane. And so I look people. absolutely insane. And so I look people. absolutely insane. And so I look at all of that and I say, "Okay, America at all of that and I say, "Okay, America at all of that and I say, "Okay, America ran a different test." And that test ran a different test." And that test ran a different test." And that test was, "Okay, we're all fleeing these was, "Okay, we're all fleeing these was, "Okay, we're all fleeing these despotic uh monarchies or dictatorships. despotic uh monarchies or dictatorships. despotic uh monarchies or dictatorships. We're coming to the shores of America at We're coming to the shores of America at We're coming to the shores of America at ultra high risk, but we want that ultra high risk, but we want that ultra high risk, but we want that freedom." And then this thing kicks in freedom." And then this thing kicks in freedom." And then this thing kicks in that is truly the only way forward is that is truly the only way forward is that is truly the only way forward is innovation. And the only way to innovate innovation. And the only way to innovate innovation. And the only way to innovate is to break the consensus that we have is to break the consensus that we have is to break the consensus that we have now. the way that humans think it now. the way that humans think it now. the way that humans think it calcifies into dogma and so you're in calcifies into dogma and so you're in calcifies into dogma and so you're in your early 20s and basically your your early 20s and basically your your early 20s and basically your worldview solidifies and you get too far worldview solidifies and you get too far worldview solidifies and you get too far out of your like early 30s and you're out of your like early 30s and you're out of your like early 30s and you're you're kind of useless. It's utterly you're kind of useless. It's utterly you're kind of useless. It's utterly fascinating to say that as somebody fascinating to say that as somebody fascinating to say that as somebody who's 50, but I'm telling you like this who's 50, but I'm telling you like this who's 50, but I'm telling you like this just plays out over and over and over. just plays out over and over and over. just plays out over and over and over. And so people can't get out of their own And so people can't get out of their own And so people can't get out of their own way. Genius is a young man's game. They way. Genius is a young man's game. They way. Genius is a young man's game. They calcify and so we have a system that calcify and so we have a system that calcify and so we have a system that just eats those people alive. Now just eats those people alive. Now just eats those people alive. Now it's getting worse because look at how it's getting worse because look at how it's getting worse because look at how old our Congress and Senate is. It's old our Congress and Senate is. It's old our Congress and Senate is. It's crazy. crazy. crazy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, we have our problems. But it's like, >> So, we have our problems. But it's like, >> So, we have our problems. But it's like, do I want to see us lean more do I want to see us lean more do I want to see us lean more dictatorial knowing that if the dictator dictatorial knowing that if the dictator dictatorial knowing that if the dictator gets it right, we'll go fast, but the gets it right, we'll go fast, but the gets it right, we'll go fast, but the second they get it wrong, it breaks so second they get it wrong, it breaks so second they get it wrong, it breaks so bad as to be terrifying. or do we stick bad as to be terrifying. or do we stick bad as to be terrifying. or do we stick with the messier thing where freedom with the messier thing where freedom with the messier thing where freedom does go down a lot of weird paths and does go down a lot of weird paths and does go down a lot of weird paths and you get a lot of infighting and all that you get a lot of infighting and all that you get a lot of infighting and all that stuff. But I still bet on that the stuff. But I still bet on that the stuff. But I still bet on that the because the only way to get the dictator because the only way to get the dictator because the only way to get the dictator through to get their um vision push through to get their um vision push through to get their um vision push through is tyranny. through is tyranny. through is tyranny. Uh, okay. I want to add in another plot Uh, okay. I want to add in another plot Uh, okay. I want to add in another plot line to this, and that's the reports line to this, and that's the reports line to this, and that's the reports that we're actually withdrawing troops that we're actually withdrawing troops that we're actually withdrawing troops from Germany. So, President Trump from Germany. So, President Trump from Germany. So, President Trump yesterday said that he's considering yesterday said that he's considering yesterday said that he's considering withdrawing more than 5,000 troops from withdrawing more than 5,000 troops from withdrawing more than 5,000 troops from Germany. I think we have a total of Germany. I think we have a total of Germany. I think we have a total of 30,000. So, it's not like, you know, 30,000. So, it's not like, you know, 30,000. So, it's not like, you know, there's going to be six guns left, but a there's going to be six guns left, but a there's going to be six guns left, but a significant cut down. significant cut down. significant cut down. >> Why is the US removing troops from >> Why is the US removing troops from >> Why is the US removing troops from Germany? Germany? Germany? >> Uh, we're going to cut way down. and >> Uh, we're going to cut way down. and >> Uh, we're going to cut way down. and we're cutting a lot further than 5,000. we're cutting a lot further than 5,000. we're cutting a lot further than 5,000. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. >> I mean, he's mad at Europe. That that's >> I mean, he's mad at Europe. That that's >> I mean, he's mad at Europe. That that's the reality. Now, as the spheres of the reality. Now, as the spheres of the reality. Now, as the spheres of influence change, I get it. The the influence change, I get it. The the influence change, I get it. The the world order, everybody's being asked, world order, everybody's being asked, world order, everybody's being asked, >> you going to go with China? You going to >> you going to go with China? You going to >> you going to go with China? You going to go with um the US. And right now there go with um the US. And right now there go with um the US. And right now there is Carney, so Canada's prime minister. is Carney, so Canada's prime minister. is Carney, so Canada's prime minister. Carney is saying, "I think the future is Carney is saying, "I think the future is Carney is saying, "I think the future is Europe." Now, I don't know if he's being Europe." Now, I don't know if he's being Europe." Now, I don't know if he's being serious, if he's just in Europe. And so serious, if he's just in Europe. And so serious, if he's just in Europe. And so he's popping off because he's also been he's popping off because he's also been he's popping off because he's also been blowing kissy faces at um Beijing. blowing kissy faces at um Beijing. blowing kissy faces at um Beijing. >> So I'm not sure what his real strategy >> So I'm not sure what his real strategy >> So I'm not sure what his real strategy is. And to say that you think a new is. And to say that you think a new is. And to say that you think a new world order is going to be born out of world order is going to be born out of world order is going to be born out of Europe is so [ __ ] stupid. Like of all Europe is so [ __ ] stupid. Like of all Europe is so [ __ ] stupid. Like of all the if he said, "Look, China's the the if he said, "Look, China's the the if he said, "Look, China's the future." I'd be like, I get it, man. future." I'd be like, I get it, man. future." I'd be like, I get it, man. Like that is a real question. China, if Like that is a real question. China, if Like that is a real question. China, if China didn't have demographic woes, I'd China didn't have demographic woes, I'd China didn't have demographic woes, I'd be like, yeah, China probably is the be like, yeah, China probably is the be like, yeah, China probably is the future. future. future. >> That was my next conversation because >> That was my next conversation because >> That was my next conversation because there is talk that their economy is there is talk that their economy is there is talk that their economy is collapsing right now. There was a collapsing right now. There was a collapsing right now. There was a mortgage crisis a couple um couple mortgage crisis a couple um couple mortgage crisis a couple um couple months ago, a couple years ago. I don't months ago, a couple years ago. I don't months ago, a couple years ago. I don't know how know how know how >> it's been going on for years now. >> it's been going on for years now. >> it's been going on for years now. >> Yeah. So, it's one of those things where >> Yeah. So, it's one of those things where >> Yeah. So, it's one of those things where it's like, are they also on a Jenga it's like, are they also on a Jenga it's like, are they also on a Jenga board economy and they're two pushes board economy and they're two pushes board economy and they're two pushes away from falling over and not being away from falling over and not being away from falling over and not being able to claim their number one spot in able to claim their number one spot in able to claim their number one spot in this new cities. this new cities. this new cities. >> Yes. But in the same way that the US is. >> Yes. But in the same way that the US is. >> Yes. But in the same way that the US is. So, we are both on insanely precarious So, we are both on insanely precarious So, we are both on insanely precarious footing economically. The US, I would footing economically. The US, I would footing economically. The US, I would say, uh is more of a dumbbell approach. say, uh is more of a dumbbell approach. say, uh is more of a dumbbell approach. So we've got more tragedy staring us in So we've got more tragedy staring us in So we've got more tragedy staring us in the face with the debt than China does. the face with the debt than China does. the face with the debt than China does. But we also have more opportunity But we also have more opportunity But we also have more opportunity because we are still the world's reserve because we are still the world's reserve because we are still the world's reserve currency. So there's a lot of abuse that currency. So there's a lot of abuse that currency. So there's a lot of abuse that we can push off onto the rest of the we can push off onto the rest of the we can push off onto the rest of the world that helps us. That's gross. I world that helps us. That's gross. I world that helps us. That's gross. I know I'm saying it very dead pan, but uh know I'm saying it very dead pan, but uh know I'm saying it very dead pan, but uh nonetheless, we are in that position. nonetheless, we are in that position. nonetheless, we are in that position. And so we have a tool that they don't And so we have a tool that they don't And so we have a tool that they don't have. Um they have been printing like have. Um they have been printing like have. Um they have been printing like crazy. I this I'm I'm out over my skis crazy. I this I'm I'm out over my skis crazy. I this I'm I'm out over my skis on the following statement. I would need on the following statement. I would need on the following statement. I would need to look this up. But I think that they to look this up. But I think that they to look this up. But I think that they have been printing at a rate that in have been printing at a rate that in have been printing at a rate that in terms of uh their I don't know um I terms of uh their I don't know um I terms of uh their I don't know um I don't know the the don't know the the don't know the the comparison to the US like on what metric comparison to the US like on what metric comparison to the US like on what metric but it was like their their rate of but it was like their their rate of but it was like their their rate of printing is worse than the US. It's not printing is worse than the US. It's not printing is worse than the US. It's not going to be I don't think dollar for going to be I don't think dollar for going to be I don't think dollar for dollar worse. It's almost no chance of dollar worse. It's almost no chance of dollar worse. It's almost no chance of that. Um, but that was something where I that. Um, but that was something where I that. Um, but that was something where I was like, oh, they might be printing was like, oh, they might be printing was like, oh, they might be printing more than I thought because my take has more than I thought because my take has more than I thought because my take has always been China is printing. However, always been China is printing. However, always been China is printing. However, they haven't printed as abusively as we they haven't printed as abusively as we they haven't printed as abusively as we have. So, I think they have more um have. So, I think they have more um have. So, I think they have more um latitude than we do. So, I I need to do latitude than we do. So, I I need to do latitude than we do. So, I I need to do deep dive there to find out what the deep dive there to find out what the deep dive there to find out what the reality is of their economic situation. reality is of their economic situation. reality is of their economic situation. But every time I look at it, you sort of But every time I look at it, you sort of But every time I look at it, you sort of deadend at propaganda coming out of deadend at propaganda coming out of deadend at propaganda coming out of China. They lie about everything. They China. They lie about everything. They China. They lie about everything. They hide as much as they can. People have to hide as much as they can. People have to hide as much as they can. People have to start looking at like the amount of start looking at like the amount of start looking at like the amount of luminance coming out of the country. luminance coming out of the country. luminance coming out of the country. crazy to try to figure out, okay, like crazy to try to figure out, okay, like crazy to try to figure out, okay, like what's really going on here, which is what's really going on here, which is what's really going on here, which is wild to think that a we can do that and wild to think that a we can do that and wild to think that a we can do that and b that they obfuscate their data so much b that they obfuscate their data so much b that they obfuscate their data so much that you have to look at the amount of that you have to look at the amount of that you have to look at the amount of light they emit. light they emit. light they emit. >> Uh so >> Uh so >> Uh so >> it's hard to answer that question. I >> it's hard to answer that question. I >> it's hard to answer that question. I would say we're both fragile, but we're would say we're both fragile, but we're would say we're both fragile, but we're both so far ahead of everybody else in both so far ahead of everybody else in both so far ahead of everybody else in the world that virtually nobody else the world that virtually nobody else the world that virtually nobody else matters. matters. matters. >> Gotcha. So this really is a twoman game. >> Gotcha. So this really is a twoman game. >> Gotcha. So this really is a twoman game. There's no third quarter, fourth quarter There's no third quarter, fourth quarter There's no third quarter, fourth quarter buzz beers with Russia coming out on buzz beers with Russia coming out on buzz beers with Russia coming out on >> No, it'll be alliances. So, it'll be if >> No, it'll be alliances. So, it'll be if >> No, it'll be alliances. So, it'll be if China, Russia, and Iran come out of this China, Russia, and Iran come out of this China, Russia, and Iran come out of this stronger than ever. Like, imagine Iran, stronger than ever. Like, imagine Iran, stronger than ever. Like, imagine Iran, imagine Russia wraps up the war in imagine Russia wraps up the war in imagine Russia wraps up the war in Ukraine. They get the territory that Ukraine. They get the territory that Ukraine. They get the territory that they have. they have. they have. >> Uh they let the world know, do not >> Uh they let the world know, do not >> Uh they let the world know, do not encroach on our borders. We will take encroach on our borders. We will take encroach on our borders. We will take forceful action. Uh but they get out of forceful action. Uh but they get out of forceful action. Uh but they get out of that war. So now they've got the new that war. So now they've got the new that war. So now they've got the new technology because Ukraine and Russia technology because Ukraine and Russia technology because Ukraine and Russia really now are at the forefront of really now are at the forefront of really now are at the forefront of military. So those guys have knowledge military. So those guys have knowledge military. So those guys have knowledge that nobody else in the world has. So if that nobody else in the world has. So if that nobody else in the world has. So if they can both stop spending money, they can both stop spending money, they can both stop spending money, they're going to be in a much better they're going to be in a much better they're going to be in a much better position. So if Russia can extract position. So if Russia can extract position. So if Russia can extract itself there, itself there, itself there, >> then if Iran comes out of this and goes, >> then if Iran comes out of this and goes, >> then if Iran comes out of this and goes, we now charge a toll on the straight of we now charge a toll on the straight of we now charge a toll on the straight of Hormuz and everybody's like, I just what Hormuz and everybody's like, I just what Hormuz and everybody's like, I just what are we going to do? like the US is are we going to do? like the US is are we going to do? like the US is unable like if Trump loses in the unable like if Trump loses in the unable like if Trump loses in the midterms and they are still doing their midterms and they are still doing their midterms and they are still doing their thing, thing, thing, >> they could be in a position where they >> they could be in a position where they >> they could be in a position where they can charge a toll on the straight of can charge a toll on the straight of can charge a toll on the straight of four moves and if they then spin back up four moves and if they then spin back up four moves and if they then spin back up their nuclear ambitions and it's like we their nuclear ambitions and it's like we their nuclear ambitions and it's like we faced you down once, we're more than faced you down once, we're more than faced you down once, we're more than happy to do it again. Now it's like if happy to do it again. Now it's like if happy to do it again. Now it's like if you see yourself in I mean God, how long you see yourself in I mean God, how long you see yourself in I mean God, how long would it have taken three to five years would it have taken three to five years would it have taken three to five years >> to get their program back up on its >> to get their program back up on its >> to get their program back up on its feet? Yo, so that becomes very different feet? Yo, so that becomes very different feet? Yo, so that becomes very different calculus. This isn't going to happen calculus. This isn't going to happen calculus. This isn't going to happen overnight, but now you're in a position overnight, but now you're in a position overnight, but now you're in a position where China has its sphere of influence. where China has its sphere of influence. where China has its sphere of influence. The US has sort of formally let go of The US has sort of formally let go of The US has sort of formally let go of pursuing that. We've got our sphere of pursuing that. We've got our sphere of pursuing that. We've got our sphere of influence, but we got our ass handed to influence, but we got our ass handed to influence, but we got our ass handed to us. Not militarily, but just us. Not militarily, but just us. Not militarily, but just outcomewise, outcomewise, outcomewise, uh, in Iran, uh, in Iran, uh, in Iran, oil's going up. God, it's so this [ __ ] oil's going up. God, it's so this [ __ ] oil's going up. God, it's so this [ __ ] gets so complicated. I'm not going to gets so complicated. I'm not going to gets so complicated. I'm not going to fractal. I'm just gonna [laughter] I'm fractal. I'm just gonna [laughter] I'm fractal. I'm just gonna [laughter] I'm gonna put a thing here so people don't gonna put a thing here so people don't gonna put a thing here so people don't think I'm blind to it. which drives me think I'm blind to it. which drives me think I'm blind to it. which drives me crazy. Everybody thinks if I don't say crazy. Everybody thinks if I don't say crazy. Everybody thinks if I don't say everything out loud every time, everything out loud every time, everything out loud every time, >> uh, >> uh, >> uh, >> if the world turns to the US for oil, >> if the world turns to the US for oil, >> if the world turns to the US for oil, that will be great for the US. I'll just that will be great for the US. I'll just that will be great for the US. I'll just set that there economically. So, as we set that there economically. So, as we set that there economically. So, as we retreat from the world stage, there are retreat from the world stage, there are retreat from the world stage, there are some big advantages to us. Okay, this some big advantages to us. Okay, this some big advantages to us. Okay, this all started based on Europe. Carney's a all started based on Europe. Carney's a all started based on Europe. Carney's a [ __ ] [ __ ] if he thinks that this is [ __ ] [ __ ] if he thinks that this is [ __ ] [ __ ] if he thinks that this is going to rise up out of Europe. Europe going to rise up out of Europe. Europe going to rise up out of Europe. Europe has proven one, they have demographic has proven one, they have demographic has proven one, they have demographic disasters just coming their way because disasters just coming their way because disasters just coming their way because of unchecked immigration. Two, they are of unchecked immigration. Two, they are of unchecked immigration. Two, they are they're still when combined they are they're still when combined they are they're still when combined they are economically powerful, but they are economically powerful, but they are economically powerful, but they are really starting to fracture. Germany's really starting to fracture. Germany's really starting to fracture. Germany's AFD party wants out of Europe. Germany's AFD party wants out of Europe. Germany's AFD party wants out of Europe. Germany's AFD party is rising rapidly in the AFD party is rising rapidly in the AFD party is rising rapidly in the polls. Maybe they'll never take over, polls. Maybe they'll never take over, polls. Maybe they'll never take over, but nonetheless, there's that kind of but nonetheless, there's that kind of but nonetheless, there's that kind of pressure. And then also, you're never pressure. And then also, you're never pressure. And then also, you're never going to lead economically if what going to lead economically if what going to lead economically if what you're known for is regulations. And you're known for is regulations. And you're known for is regulations. And right now, Europe is one big regulatory right now, Europe is one big regulatory right now, Europe is one big regulatory body in the face of AI. It is so stupid body in the face of AI. It is so stupid body in the face of AI. It is so stupid in all capital letters. And listen, I in all capital letters. And listen, I in all capital letters. And listen, I get the fears over AI. Nobody shares get the fears over AI. Nobody shares get the fears over AI. Nobody shares those fears more than me. Like, I those fears more than me. Like, I those fears more than me. Like, I understand. I have the same anxiety. The understand. I have the same anxiety. The understand. I have the same anxiety. The thing I've wanted to do forever with my thing I've wanted to do forever with my thing I've wanted to do forever with my life, literally since I was 12, is under life, literally since I was 12, is under life, literally since I was 12, is under threat from AI. Right now, I just keep threat from AI. Right now, I just keep threat from AI. Right now, I just keep focused on AI can't do it without humans focused on AI can't do it without humans focused on AI can't do it without humans yet. So just keep executing with this yet. So just keep executing with this yet. So just keep executing with this incredible tool. incredible tool. incredible tool. >> Any technology that promises an >> Any technology that promises an >> Any technology that promises an advantage will get developed. It advantage will get developed. It advantage will get developed. It promises an advantage. Europe is assuing promises an advantage. Europe is assuing promises an advantage. Europe is assuing all of that. The only two real players all of that. The only two real players all of that. The only two real players are the US and China. So one of us is are the US and China. So one of us is are the US and China. So one of us is going to win the AI race. If you're not going to win the AI race. If you're not going to win the AI race. If you're not in the AI race, you don't matter. And so in the AI race, you don't matter. And so in the AI race, you don't matter. And so you've got the two biggest economies you've got the two biggest economies you've got the two biggest economies already. the two most important already. the two most important already. the two most important countries on planet Earth are the only countries on planet Earth are the only countries on planet Earth are the only two that are anywhere near actually two that are anywhere near actually two that are anywhere near actually being in control of the race to AGI. And being in control of the race to AGI. And being in control of the race to AGI. And so it's like it is a one-two punch that so it's like it is a one-two punch that so it's like it is a one-two punch that nobody else can counter. nobody else can counter. nobody else can counter. >> Yeah, it's going to be interesting to >> Yeah, it's going to be interesting to >> Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how all the pieces actually fall see how all the pieces actually fall see how all the pieces actually fall because I think to our point there's because I think to our point there's because I think to our point there's international conflict, there's internal international conflict, there's internal international conflict, there's internal conflict, there's economic conflict and conflict, there's economic conflict and conflict, there's economic conflict and those three pillars are the foundations those three pillars are the foundations those three pillars are the foundations of killing empires. those three of killing empires. those three of killing empires. those three foundations of Kill Empires in the past foundations of Kill Empires in the past foundations of Kill Empires in the past before. So, it's interesting to see before. So, it's interesting to see before. So, it's interesting to see which one of those actually cause the which one of those actually cause the which one of those actually cause the downfall downfall downfall when all three of them independently can when all three of them independently can when all three of them independently can cause a downfall. So, it's interesting. cause a downfall. So, it's interesting. cause a downfall. So, it's interesting. >> The downfall is so predictable, Drew. >> The downfall is so predictable, Drew. >> The downfall is so predictable, Drew. So, So, So, >> yeah, but and downfall is a bit dramatic >> yeah, but and downfall is a bit dramatic >> yeah, but and downfall is a bit dramatic cuz even if we don't be cuz even if we don't be cuz even if we don't be >> is it I don't know if we go straight >> is it I don't know if we go straight >> is it I don't know if we go straight from here to Argentina. I think there's from here to Argentina. I think there's from here to Argentina. I think there's some there's steps that have to happen some there's steps that have to happen some there's steps that have to happen in the middle before in the middle before in the middle before >> it depends on your steps. So, I can >> it depends on your steps. So, I can >> it depends on your steps. So, I can paint a picture of the different paint a picture of the different paint a picture of the different approaches. So, the reason that I say um approaches. So, the reason that I say um approaches. So, the reason that I say um it's not dramatic to say downfall is if it's not dramatic to say downfall is if it's not dramatic to say downfall is if you'll grant me a long enough timeline, you'll grant me a long enough timeline, you'll grant me a long enough timeline, these things are just guaranteed. these things are just guaranteed. these things are just guaranteed. >> I think the US is on a 10-year clock. If >> I think the US is on a 10-year clock. If >> I think the US is on a 10-year clock. If we don't if AI doesn't help us grow our we don't if AI doesn't help us grow our we don't if AI doesn't help us grow our way out of our debt, we really are in way out of our debt, we really are in way out of our debt, we really are in trouble. I've got a deep dive on uh trouble. I've got a deep dive on uh trouble. I've got a deep dive on uh Kevin Walsh, who man, I'm so conflicted. Kevin Walsh, who man, I'm so conflicted. Kevin Walsh, who man, I'm so conflicted. I really like the things that he says, I really like the things that he says, I really like the things that he says, but I look at the setup of what he's but I look at the setup of what he's but I look at the setup of what he's walking into and the things that he's walking into and the things that he's walking into and the things that he's not saying, and I think it's very not saying, and I think it's very not saying, and I think it's very strategic what he's not saying. And I strategic what he's not saying. And I strategic what he's not saying. And I think unfortunately, the world will not think unfortunately, the world will not think unfortunately, the world will not rescue him. And by that I mean AI will rescue him. And by that I mean AI will rescue him. And by that I mean AI will not grow fast enough. Um the world's not not grow fast enough. Um the world's not not grow fast enough. Um the world's not going to rescue him. What he's doing is going to rescue him. What he's doing is going to rescue him. What he's doing is going to be pro-inflationary and he's going to be pro-inflationary and he's going to be pro-inflationary and he's going to accelerate the K-shaped going to accelerate the K-shaped going to accelerate the K-shaped economy. economy. economy. >> Okay. So that's a fractal that's worth >> Okay. So that's a fractal that's worth >> Okay. So that's a fractal that's worth going down at some point. But for now to going down at some point. But for now to going down at some point. But for now to keep this streamlined keep this streamlined keep this streamlined on a long enough timeline, the US is on a long enough timeline, the US is on a long enough timeline, the US is poised for collapse. They're poised for poised for collapse. They're poised for poised for collapse. They're poised for collapse for the same reason that every collapse for the same reason that every collapse for the same reason that every empire has fallen over the last 500 empire has fallen over the last 500 empire has fallen over the last 500 years. Once you realize that debt is years. Once you realize that debt is years. Once you realize that debt is magical, Drew, debt is so powerful. magical, Drew, debt is so powerful. magical, Drew, debt is so powerful. >> But the temptation becomes to abuse debt >> But the temptation becomes to abuse debt >> But the temptation becomes to abuse debt and so far no sequence of humans because and so far no sequence of humans because and so far no sequence of humans because you can get one leader that doesn't you can get one leader that doesn't you can get one leader that doesn't abuse it, but you'll never get 200 years abuse it, but you'll never get 200 years abuse it, but you'll never get 200 years of leaders that don't abuse it. of leaders that don't abuse it. of leaders that don't abuse it. >> Got you. And so something ends up >> Got you. And so something ends up >> Got you. And so something ends up happening that maybe even with the best happening that maybe even with the best happening that maybe even with the best of intentions, people start printing of intentions, people start printing of intentions, people start printing money and because nothing bad happens money and because nothing bad happens money and because nothing bad happens right away, they keep printing money right away, they keep printing money right away, they keep printing money until the bad thing happens. And so you until the bad thing happens. And so you until the bad thing happens. And so you as a plea to anybody that can hear me as a plea to anybody that can hear me as a plea to anybody that can hear me right now, the way that the game plays right now, the way that the game plays right now, the way that the game plays out is you start printing money, it out is you start printing money, it out is you start printing money, it accelerates, accelerates, accelerates, accelerates, accelerates, accelerates, accelerates, accelerates, accelerates, and then you either get revolution and then you either get revolution and then you either get revolution because of the K-shaped economy, which because of the K-shaped economy, which because of the K-shaped economy, which that is what causes the revolution. So that is what causes the revolution. So that is what causes the revolution. So you get the revolution based on the you get the revolution based on the you get the revolution based on the K-shaped economy or you end up K-shaped economy or you end up K-shaped economy or you end up defaulting and you're no longer able to defaulting and you're no longer able to defaulting and you're no longer able to access the debt that gave you the power access the debt that gave you the power access the debt that gave you the power and so you become a backwater. Do you go and so you become a backwater. Do you go and so you become a backwater. Do you go all the way to Argentina? Argentina went all the way to Argentina? Argentina went all the way to Argentina? Argentina went all the way to Argentina. So they were all the way to Argentina. So they were all the way to Argentina. So they were the fourth most powerful economy. Can't the fourth most powerful economy. Can't the fourth most powerful economy. Can't remember if it's in the world. Uh but I remember if it's in the world. Uh but I remember if it's in the world. Uh but I think it was. So they were massive. think it was. So they were massive. think it was. So they were massive. >> And when we were competing in the 1920s >> And when we were competing in the 1920s >> And when we were competing in the 1920s for immigrants, they were winning. So for immigrants, they were winning. So for immigrants, they were winning. So more people looked at the world and more people looked at the world and more people looked at the world and said,"Okay, we can go anywhere. We want said,"Okay, we can go anywhere. We want said,"Okay, we can go anywhere. We want to go to Argentina because they have the to go to Argentina because they have the to go to Argentina because they have the most opportunity." And so they went from most opportunity." And so they went from most opportunity." And so they went from the sort of 1946 the sort of 1946 the sort of 1946 and on era America and on era America and on era America >> to being the backwater that has >> to being the backwater that has >> to being the backwater that has struggled for a hundred years. So it struggled for a hundred years. So it struggled for a hundred years. So it does happen. The UK has fallen. They does happen. The UK has fallen. They does happen. The UK has fallen. They ruled the entire world, dude, not that ruled the entire world, dude, not that ruled the entire world, dude, not that long ago. And they fell. Spain fell. long ago. And they fell. Spain fell. long ago. And they fell. Spain fell. Portugal fell. It's just like Portugal fell. It's just like Portugal fell. It's just like >> somebody somebody in the chat has a >> somebody somebody in the chat has a >> somebody somebody in the chat has a interesting counterpoint. Um Andrew interesting counterpoint. Um Andrew interesting counterpoint. Um Andrew Weiss said, "What Tom doesn't realize is Weiss said, "What Tom doesn't realize is Weiss said, "What Tom doesn't realize is there is nowhere else to invest other there is nowhere else to invest other there is nowhere else to invest other than the US that keeps us strong." than the US that keeps us strong." than the US that keeps us strong." >> Yeah. Okay. Stop. So, >> Yeah. Okay. Stop. So, >> Yeah. Okay. Stop. So, >> I think this is a really good point. >> I think this is a really good point. >> I think this is a really good point. >> I'm very glad he makes it up or that he >> I'm very glad he makes it up or that he >> I'm very glad he makes it up or that he brings it up. What he's not brings it up. What he's not brings it up. What he's not acknowledging is right now that only acknowledging is right now that only acknowledging is right now that only helps people that invest money. And what helps people that invest money. And what helps people that invest money. And what I'm saying is you have a dual problem. I'm saying is you have a dual problem. I'm saying is you have a dual problem. >> If you only grow the top of the K, you >> If you only grow the top of the K, you >> If you only grow the top of the K, you end up in revolution. And so this is end up in revolution. And so this is end up in revolution. And so this is why, remember, not every country falls why, remember, not every country falls why, remember, not every country falls because they default. We the the because they default. We the the because they default. We the the playbook that WASH is almost certainly playbook that WASH is almost certainly playbook that WASH is almost certainly going to run is financial repression. going to run is financial repression. going to run is financial repression. Financial repression is also known as a Financial repression is also known as a Financial repression is also known as a soft default. So you just steal and soft default. So you just steal and soft default. So you just steal and steal and steal people's economic steal and steal people's economic steal and steal people's economic purchasing power until the point that purchasing power until the point that purchasing power until the point that they revolt or that you become England, they revolt or that you become England, they revolt or that you become England, right? Because when England did it, post right? Because when England did it, post right? Because when England did it, post World War II, they never defaulted. So World War II, they never defaulted. So World War II, they never defaulted. So they didn't have a revolution, but they they didn't have a revolution, but they they didn't have a revolution, but they still um lost what, like 98% of their still um lost what, like 98% of their still um lost what, like 98% of their purchasing power. So that's in the last purchasing power. So that's in the last purchasing power. So that's in the last hundred years, man. Like this is not hundred years, man. Like this is not hundred years, man. Like this is not stuff where you have to go way back in stuff where you have to go way back in stuff where you have to go way back in time. Post World War II, those guys just time. Post World War II, those guys just time. Post World War II, those guys just declined, declined, declined, declined, declined, declined, declined, declined, declined, declined, declined, declined, declined, decline. declined, decline. declined, decline. >> But would you compare I think >> But would you compare I think >> But would you compare I think Argentina's decline and the United Argentina's decline and the United Argentina's decline and the United Kingdom's decline is different. Kingdom's decline is different. Kingdom's decline is different. >> Not really. >> Not really. >> Not really. >> You would put them in the same like >> You would put them in the same like >> You would put them in the same like category. category. category. >> Yeah, it's it's economic mismanagement. >> Yeah, it's it's economic mismanagement. >> Yeah, it's it's economic mismanagement. >> Got it. So now the cause for England was >> Got it. So now the cause for England was >> Got it. So now the cause for England was a more classic thing that happens to an a more classic thing that happens to an a more classic thing that happens to an empire. Argentina was never an empire. empire. Argentina was never an empire. empire. Argentina was never an empire. So um England was obviously wildly So um England was obviously wildly So um England was obviously wildly exacerbated by two back-to-back World exacerbated by two back-to-back World exacerbated by two back-to-back World Wars overextending themselves in terms Wars overextending themselves in terms Wars overextending themselves in terms of you know having military bases all of you know having military bases all of you know having military bases all over the world trying to be the world's over the world trying to be the world's over the world trying to be the world's policemen via the seas like the very policemen via the seas like the very policemen via the seas like the very thing that Yeah. Right. So, um, all of thing that Yeah. Right. So, um, all of thing that Yeah. Right. So, um, all of that, yes, but if you go up high enough, that, yes, but if you go up high enough, that, yes, but if you go up high enough, they become the same phenomenon, which they become the same phenomenon, which they become the same phenomenon, which is economic mismanagement. So, going is economic mismanagement. So, going is economic mismanagement. So, going back to, um, forgive me for forgetting back to, um, forgive me for forgetting back to, um, forgive me for forgetting his name, but the person in the chat his name, but the person in the chat his name, but the person in the chat who's like, Tom doesn't seem to who's like, Tom doesn't seem to who's like, Tom doesn't seem to understand, there's nowhere else for understand, there's nowhere else for understand, there's nowhere else for money to go. Again, he's only speaking money to go. Again, he's only speaking money to go. Again, he's only speaking to the top side of the K. And as every to the top side of the K. And as every to the top side of the K. And as every empire before us has proven, eventually empire before us has proven, eventually empire before us has proven, eventually there is somewhere else. And so, if he's there is somewhere else. And so, if he's there is somewhere else. And so, if he's arguing the 10-year timeline, okay, arguing the 10-year timeline, okay, arguing the 10-year timeline, okay, maybe. But again, I will say when I'm maybe. But again, I will say when I'm maybe. But again, I will say when I'm talking about the 10-year timeline, I'm talking about the 10-year timeline, I'm talking about the 10-year timeline, I'm talking about revolt. I am not expecting talking about revolt. I am not expecting talking about revolt. I am not expecting us to hard default. We're going to soft us to hard default. We're going to soft us to hard default. We're going to soft default. But we are already on a knife's default. But we are already on a knife's default. But we are already on a knife's edge, dude. People are already like edge, dude. People are already like edge, dude. People are already like flirting with open revolt. Now, what flirting with open revolt. Now, what flirting with open revolt. Now, what happens after 10 years driving the debt happens after 10 years driving the debt happens after 10 years driving the debt to GDP up over 130%. Like it is a to GDP up over 130%. Like it is a to GDP up over 130%. Like it is a nightmare scenario. So that's where I'm nightmare scenario. So that's where I'm nightmare scenario. So that's where I'm like yes and like yes and like yes and >> it will be interesting if as a community >> it will be interesting if as a community >> it will be interesting if as a community we can start differentiating between Tom we can start differentiating between Tom we can start differentiating between Tom has not said at this time and the thing has not said at this time and the thing has not said at this time and the thing Tom does not understand I cannot Tom does not understand I cannot Tom does not understand I cannot encapsulate the entire complexity of the encapsulate the entire complexity of the encapsulate the entire complexity of the economy every single time I talk economy every single time I talk economy every single time I talk >> you can't every single time Tom what do >> you can't every single time Tom what do >> you can't every single time Tom what do you mean you can't do that you mean you can't do that you mean you can't do that >> believe it or not [laughter] >> believe it or not [laughter] >> believe it or not [laughter] >> now also PS by the way full confession >> now also PS by the way full confession >> now also PS by the way full confession there are things about the economy that there are things about the economy that there are things about the economy that I don't understand as the island of my I don't understand as the island of my I don't understand as the island of my knowledge grows so grows the shore of my knowledge grows so grows the shore of my knowledge grows so grows the shore of my ignorance So, I'm very glad that people ignorance So, I'm very glad that people ignorance So, I'm very glad that people bring things forward because we will bring things forward because we will bring things forward because we will inevitably hit that part where I'm like, inevitably hit that part where I'm like, inevitably hit that part where I'm like, "What the [ __ ] is that?" And then I have "What the [ __ ] is that?" And then I have "What the [ __ ] is that?" And then I have to go research that as well. So, I to go research that as well. So, I to go research that as well. So, I eagerly encourage people to bring eagerly encourage people to bring eagerly encourage people to bring forward things that they think that I forward things that they think that I forward things that they think that I really am missing. That just happens to really am missing. That just happens to really am missing. That just happens to not be one of them. not be one of them. not be one of them. >> Uh, all right. There's been some big >> Uh, all right. There's been some big >> Uh, all right. There's been some big news over the weekend. Spirit Airlines news over the weekend. Spirit Airlines news over the weekend. Spirit Airlines has officially ceased operations. has officially ceased operations. has officially ceased operations. Luckily for Elizabeth Warren, though, Luckily for Elizabeth Warren, though, Luckily for Elizabeth Warren, though, she sold 20,000 shares of Spirit two she sold 20,000 shares of Spirit two she sold 20,000 shares of Spirit two weeks ago. still took a loss though weeks ago. still took a loss though weeks ago. still took a loss though because those things were bleeding, but because those things were bleeding, but because those things were bleeding, but at least she didn't get caught holding at least she didn't get caught holding at least she didn't get caught holding the bag. Um, the bag. Um, the bag. Um, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> this is interesting though that Spirit >> this is interesting though that Spirit >> this is interesting though that Spirit cited rising fuel costs were one of the cited rising fuel costs were one of the cited rising fuel costs were one of the reasons that made them go under. This is reasons that made them go under. This is reasons that made them go under. This is a byproduct of this war. The it it a byproduct of this war. The it it a byproduct of this war. The it it spiked fuel prices. So, I think all the spiked fuel prices. So, I think all the spiked fuel prices. So, I think all the all the different airline companies are all the different airline companies are all the different airline companies are reporting at least 800 million to a reporting at least 800 million to a reporting at least 800 million to a billion in additional fuel costs. just billion in additional fuel costs. just billion in additional fuel costs. just fuel costs, not ticketing and all this fuel costs, not ticketing and all this fuel costs, not ticketing and all this other stuff that they have to shuffle other stuff that they have to shuffle other stuff that they have to shuffle around. Now, around. Now, around. Now, >> um is this something I I know we're a >> um is this something I I know we're a >> um is this something I I know we're a free market and you know, you you need free market and you know, you you need free market and you know, you you need to see certain companies go down, to see certain companies go down, to see certain companies go down, certain companies lose, but is this like certain companies lose, but is this like certain companies lose, but is this like something that could have been avoided, something that could have been avoided, something that could have been avoided, you think, or is it just would have you think, or is it just would have you think, or is it just would have kicked the can down the road maybe? So, kicked the can down the road maybe? So, kicked the can down the road maybe? So, ironically, Elizabeth Warren and Pete ironically, Elizabeth Warren and Pete ironically, Elizabeth Warren and Pete Buddhajed, I think it was at the time, Buddhajed, I think it was at the time, Buddhajed, I think it was at the time, they shut down a merger between JetBlue, they shut down a merger between JetBlue, they shut down a merger between JetBlue, if I'm getting the players right, and if I'm getting the players right, and if I'm getting the players right, and Spirit Airlines and said that it was Spirit Airlines and said that it was Spirit Airlines and said that it was antitrust. Now, for me, when I hear antitrust. Now, for me, when I hear antitrust. Now, for me, when I hear somebody's trying to break up something somebody's trying to break up something somebody's trying to break up something for antitrust reasons, for antitrust reasons, for antitrust reasons, >> while I wildly distrust the government, >> while I wildly distrust the government, >> while I wildly distrust the government, uh that is the one area where I'm like, uh that is the one area where I'm like, uh that is the one area where I'm like, "Oh, maybe I don't need to go look at "Oh, maybe I don't need to go look at "Oh, maybe I don't need to go look at that. Antitrust, yay, as sort of a that. Antitrust, yay, as sort of a that. Antitrust, yay, as sort of a default. Probably a good thing." Um, default. Probably a good thing." Um, default. Probably a good thing." Um, however, I have not done a deep dive, so however, I have not done a deep dive, so however, I have not done a deep dive, so I don't know if it was warranted for I don't know if it was warranted for I don't know if it was warranted for them to do it because you certainly them to do it because you certainly them to do it because you certainly don't want to chill all of mergers and don't want to chill all of mergers and don't want to chill all of mergers and acquisitions, which has been a big acquisitions, which has been a big acquisitions, which has been a big problem over the last decade. problem over the last decade. problem over the last decade. >> So, um, I would have to look deeply into >> So, um, I would have to look deeply into >> So, um, I would have to look deeply into that to know if this could have been that to know if this could have been that to know if this could have been avoided. avoided. avoided. >> So, the question becomes though, why was >> So, the question becomes though, why was >> So, the question becomes though, why was Spirit Airlines unable to get to the Spirit Airlines unable to get to the Spirit Airlines unable to get to the point where they needed to be purchased? point where they needed to be purchased? point where they needed to be purchased? So, that would be the bigger question So, that would be the bigger question So, that would be the bigger question mark for me. I don't have the specifics mark for me. I don't have the specifics mark for me. I don't have the specifics on their economics, but I will just say on their economics, but I will just say on their economics, but I will just say that when a company goes out of business that when a company goes out of business that when a company goes out of business if there are no governmental shenanigans if there are no governmental shenanigans if there are no governmental shenanigans that led to it, that's a perfectly that led to it, that's a perfectly that led to it, that's a perfectly acceptable outcome. People try things, acceptable outcome. People try things, acceptable outcome. People try things, some work, some don't. And that just is some work, some don't. And that just is some work, some don't. And that just is what it is. And we should want that like what it is. And we should want that like what it is. And we should want that like it's uh the burning of the underbrush in it's uh the burning of the underbrush in it's uh the burning of the underbrush in the forest. don't want these, you know, the forest. don't want these, you know, the forest. don't want these, you know, that dry kindling to keep lying around that dry kindling to keep lying around that dry kindling to keep lying around so that you get something like 2000 or so that you get something like 2000 or so that you get something like 2000 or 2008 or COVID and all of a sudden it's 2008 or COVID and all of a sudden it's 2008 or COVID and all of a sudden it's like the government is having to prop up like the government is having to prop up like the government is having to prop up every industry because you had so many every industry because you had so many every industry because you had so many economically fragile companies, you economically fragile companies, you economically fragile companies, you know, when you think about the stock know, when you think about the stock know, when you think about the stock price of Amazon fell dramatically, but price of Amazon fell dramatically, but price of Amazon fell dramatically, but they came out of it as one of the most they came out of it as one of the most they came out of it as one of the most powerful companies ever to exist in the powerful companies ever to exist in the powerful companies ever to exist in the history of the world. And the reason history of the world. And the reason history of the world. And the reason that they were able to weather that that they were able to weather that that they were able to weather that storm is they were actually profitable. storm is they were actually profitable. storm is they were actually profitable. So profitable, tremendous like once in a So profitable, tremendous like once in a So profitable, tremendous like once in a generation leadership. So that is what generation leadership. So that is what generation leadership. So that is what we should be looking for from our we should be looking for from our we should be looking for from our companies. And right now it's like companies. And right now it's like companies. And right now it's like slowly slowly this idea that the slowly slowly this idea that the slowly slowly this idea that the government should just help everybody at government should just help everybody at government should just help everybody at all times has permeated the culture. And all times has permeated the culture. And all times has permeated the culture. And so whenever something bad happens it's so whenever something bad happens it's so whenever something bad happens it's like well where was the government in like well where was the government in like well where was the government in all this? It's like that's where you all this? It's like that's where you all this? It's like that's where you have to have a principle of do I want have to have a principle of do I want have to have a principle of do I want the government in the game of capital the government in the game of capital the government in the game of capital allocation? And for anybody that just allocation? And for anybody that just allocation? And for anybody that just needs the words to say, you do not want needs the words to say, you do not want needs the words to say, you do not want the government in capital allocation. the government in capital allocation. the government in capital allocation. They are moronic. They do not know how They are moronic. They do not know how They are moronic. They do not know how to allocate capital at all. And they to allocate capital at all. And they to allocate capital at all. And they have perverse incentives. So not only have perverse incentives. So not only have perverse incentives. So not only are they dumb, but they have the worst are they dumb, but they have the worst are they dumb, but they have the worst incentives in the world because now incentives in the world because now incentives in the world because now whatever tiny proportion of companies whatever tiny proportion of companies whatever tiny proportion of companies that they're taking a stake in or that they're taking a stake in or that they're taking a stake in or they've got some interest in propping up they've got some interest in propping up they've got some interest in propping up because it's too big to fail or because it's too big to fail or because it's too big to fail or whatever, you create massive distortions whatever, you create massive distortions whatever, you create massive distortions for them to help those companies rather for them to help those companies rather for them to help those companies rather than other companies. This is why if any than other companies. This is why if any than other companies. This is why if any administration wants to do the right administration wants to do the right administration wants to do the right thing and make sure that if we're going thing and make sure that if we're going thing and make sure that if we're going to keep running the strategy of printing to keep running the strategy of printing to keep running the strategy of printing money that we make sure that Americans money that we make sure that Americans money that we make sure that Americans own assets, it needs to be a broad own assets, it needs to be a broad own assets, it needs to be a broad basket of assets that are essentially basket of assets that are essentially basket of assets that are essentially blindly managed. So think index fund. blindly managed. So think index fund. blindly managed. So think index fund. There's just a criteria. Whatever There's just a criteria. Whatever There's just a criteria. Whatever companies meet the criteria are in, companies meet the criteria are in, companies meet the criteria are in, whatever ones don't, they're out. And so whatever ones don't, they're out. And so whatever ones don't, they're out. And so it becomes harder, I won't say it becomes harder, I won't say it becomes harder, I won't say impossible, but it becomes harder to impossible, but it becomes harder to impossible, but it becomes harder to game the system. And that's the kind of game the system. And that's the kind of game the system. And that's the kind of position we want to be in. We want to position we want to be in. We want to position we want to be in. We want to see more Americans owning assets and we see more Americans owning assets and we see more Americans owning assets and we want to keep the government out of want to keep the government out of want to keep the government out of deciding what assets are valuable. deciding what assets are valuable. deciding what assets are valuable. >> Yeah. Hopefully we can get some >> Yeah. Hopefully we can get some >> Yeah. Hopefully we can get some inspiration from uh Argentina because inspiration from uh Argentina because inspiration from uh Argentina because Javier Malay has balanced the budget for Javier Malay has balanced the budget for Javier Malay has balanced the budget for the first time in 123 years. Wow. the first time in 123 years. Wow. the first time in 123 years. Wow. >> As of January 2025, he did balance the >> As of January 2025, he did balance the >> As of January 2025, he did balance the budget with increases into 2026 as well. budget with increases into 2026 as well. budget with increases into 2026 as well. When I seen this, I was like, "No way." When I seen this, I was like, "No way." When I seen this, I was like, "No way." Like, I got to fact check this. But no, Like, I got to fact check this. But no, Like, I got to fact check this. But no, Grat kind of definitely broke it down. Grat kind of definitely broke it down. Grat kind of definitely broke it down. it um yes Malay achieved a primary it um yes Malay achieved a primary it um yes Malay achieved a primary budget surplus for the first time in 123 budget surplus for the first time in 123 budget surplus for the first time in 123 23 years the 24 to 25 season and 23 years the 24 to 25 season and 23 years the 24 to 25 season and maintains it in 2026 budget plans one maintains it in 2026 budget plans one maintains it in 2026 budget plans one budget plans 1.2% of GDP inflation budget plans 1.2% of GDP inflation budget plans 1.2% of GDP inflation lowered from over 200% to approximately lowered from over 200% to approximately lowered from over 200% to approximately 33% annually still like higher but 33% annually still like higher but 33% annually still like higher but smaller 3.4% monthly poverty officially smaller 3.4% monthly poverty officially smaller 3.4% monthly poverty officially dropped from 52.9% to 28.2% 2% recession dropped from 52.9% to 28.2% 2% recession dropped from 52.9% to 28.2% 2% recession overcame growth of 3 to 4% expected peso overcame growth of 3 to 4% expected peso overcame growth of 3 to 4% expected peso more stable. So it seems like when you more stable. So it seems like when you more stable. So it seems like when you balance the budget numbers go in the balance the budget numbers go in the balance the budget numbers go in the right direction. right direction. right direction. >> I mean this is the drum that I'm trying >> I mean this is the drum that I'm trying >> I mean this is the drum that I'm trying to beat like crazy. Now listen, to beat like crazy. Now listen, to beat like crazy. Now listen, everybody needs to understand Argentina everybody needs to understand Argentina everybody needs to understand Argentina is still in a very fragile position. is still in a very fragile position. is still in a very fragile position. They are not out of the woods yet. They They are not out of the woods yet. They They are not out of the woods yet. They are definitely trending in the right are definitely trending in the right are definitely trending in the right direction, but there's still a bunch of direction, but there's still a bunch of direction, but there's still a bunch of internal um conflict because this kind internal um conflict because this kind internal um conflict because this kind of austerity does not come without of austerity does not come without of austerity does not come without consequence. However, if you want the consequence. However, if you want the consequence. However, if you want the entire country to get moving in the entire country to get moving in the entire country to get moving in the right direction, you've got to go right direction, you've got to go right direction, you've got to go through this period of pain so that you through this period of pain so that you through this period of pain so that you can get your balanced budget, so that can get your balanced budget, so that can get your balanced budget, so that you can get things growing again, so you can get things growing again, so you can get things growing again, so that there is money actually for the that there is money actually for the that there is money actually for the people and you're not in a constant people and you're not in a constant people and you're not in a constant never- ending position for 123 years of never- ending position for 123 years of never- ending position for 123 years of having run out of other people's money having run out of other people's money having run out of other people's money as um Margaret Thatcher so eloquently as um Margaret Thatcher so eloquently as um Margaret Thatcher so eloquently put it. So, this is a necessary thing put it. So, this is a necessary thing put it. So, this is a necessary thing that they have to go through, but it is that they have to go through, but it is that they have to go through, but it is not without its turmoil. So this is why not without its turmoil. So this is why not without its turmoil. So this is why Argentina had to come to the US and say, Argentina had to come to the US and say, Argentina had to come to the US and say, "Listen, we want to be a very strong "Listen, we want to be a very strong "Listen, we want to be a very strong ally of yours, but we're going to need a ally of yours, but we're going to need a ally of yours, but we're going to need a little help." And so we did the currency little help." And so we did the currency little help." And so we did the currency swap, if I remember right, the US ended swap, if I remember right, the US ended swap, if I remember right, the US ended up making money on it. Uh but up making money on it. Uh but up making money on it. Uh but nonetheless, we did take a gamble in nonetheless, we did take a gamble in nonetheless, we did take a gamble in loaning them money because it's possible loaning them money because it's possible loaning them money because it's possible that everything imploded. Um so yeah, that everything imploded. Um so yeah, that everything imploded. Um so yeah, just I want to be um just I want to be um just I want to be um upfront about the fact that while I'm upfront about the fact that while I'm upfront about the fact that while I'm clapping so hard for this, I get cramps. clapping so hard for this, I get cramps. clapping so hard for this, I get cramps. At the same time, let's not be At the same time, let's not be At the same time, let's not be delusional about there's no guarantee delusional about there's no guarantee delusional about there's no guarantee that it's going to work yet. It's that it's going to work yet. It's that it's going to work yet. It's trending in the right direction. I'd trending in the right direction. I'd trending in the right direction. I'd love to see it. It's a great example for love to see it. It's a great example for love to see it. It's a great example for us to pay attention to because our um us to pay attention to because our um us to pay attention to because our um budget is like 6.6% that's directionally budget is like 6.6% that's directionally budget is like 6.6% that's directionally correct of GDP. That's insanity. correct of GDP. That's insanity. correct of GDP. That's insanity. >> Uh which is why we're having to deficit >> Uh which is why we're having to deficit >> Uh which is why we're having to deficit spend in the trillions of dollars a spend in the trillions of dollars a spend in the trillions of dollars a year. So the fact that they were what year. So the fact that they were what year. So the fact that they were what 1.2 1.3% of GDP is incredible. That's 1.2 1.3% of GDP is incredible. That's 1.2 1.3% of GDP is incredible. That's the kind of fiscal discipline that you the kind of fiscal discipline that you the kind of fiscal discipline that you need. But the part that people hate need. But the part that people hate need. But the part that people hate about the Malay story is I'm going to about the Malay story is I'm going to about the Malay story is I'm going to see if I can encapsulate this without see if I can encapsulate this without see if I can encapsulate this without turning everybody against me. um turning everybody against me. um turning everybody against me. um people when they looked at the slashing people when they looked at the slashing people when they looked at the slashing that he wanted to do to um programs to that he wanted to do to um programs to that he wanted to do to um programs to the government um people were screaming the government um people were screaming the government um people were screaming people are going to die and Malay's people are going to die and Malay's people are going to die and Malay's answer was people always find a way not answer was people always find a way not answer was people always find a way not to die and there are reports I cannot to die and there are reports I cannot to die and there are reports I cannot confirm that this is true this could be confirm that this is true this could be confirm that this is true this could be pure propaganda but there are reports pure propaganda but there are reports pure propaganda but there are reports that people can't afford their own local that people can't afford their own local that people can't afford their own local beef and so they are slaughtering beef and so they are slaughtering beef and so they are slaughtering donkeys and eating donkey meat which is donkeys and eating donkey meat which is donkeys and eating donkey meat which is going to sound terrible to an American going to sound terrible to an American going to sound terrible to an American audience. Uh, and let's assume for the audience. Uh, and let's assume for the audience. Uh, and let's assume for the sake of the argument that that's true. sake of the argument that that's true. sake of the argument that that's true. That's what MLE was talking about. Hey, That's what MLE was talking about. Hey, That's what MLE was talking about. Hey, if you can't afford the beef, then if you can't afford the beef, then if you can't afford the beef, then you're going to get the donkey. you're going to get the donkey. you're going to get the donkey. >> And so people do find that way to not >> And so people do find that way to not >> And so people do find that way to not die. And it is, God, does it sound die. And it is, God, does it sound die. And it is, God, does it sound horrible. Uh but nonetheless, it is horrible. Uh but nonetheless, it is horrible. Uh but nonetheless, it is ultimately what you have to do to be in ultimately what you have to do to be in ultimately what you have to do to be in alignment with the fact that economics alignment with the fact that economics alignment with the fact that economics operate on physics and you can't just operate on physics and you can't just operate on physics and you can't just socialism your way to the other side of socialism your way to the other side of socialism your way to the other side of this. You actually, as China this. You actually, as China this. You actually, as China demonstrated for the world, you actually demonstrated for the world, you actually demonstrated for the world, you actually have to have a thriving uh have to have a thriving uh have to have a thriving uh entrepreneurial class that is entrepreneurial class that is entrepreneurial class that is productive, that is making things and productive, that is making things and productive, that is making things and kicking off revenue that you can tax. kicking off revenue that you can tax. kicking off revenue that you can tax. And if you don't have that, then people And if you don't have that, then people And if you don't have that, then people struggle to make ends meet for 123 struggle to make ends meet for 123 struggle to make ends meet for 123 years. I mean, it's really wild how long years. I mean, it's really wild how long years. I mean, it's really wild how long this stuff goes and the level of this stuff goes and the level of this stuff goes and the level of prolonged hardship that you have to prolonged hardship that you have to prolonged hardship that you have to suffer through. suffer through. suffer through. >> Yeah, that's real. Let's hope we avoid >> Yeah, that's real. Let's hope we avoid >> Yeah, that's real. Let's hope we avoid that. Uh, all right, we got some super that. Uh, all right, we got some super that. Uh, all right, we got some super chats. Let's jump into those. chats. Let's jump into those. chats. Let's jump into those. >> Super chat. >> Super chat. >> Super chat. >> First, we have Iron Wolf Interactive >> First, we have Iron Wolf Interactive >> First, we have Iron Wolf Interactive Games. Tom, big Games. Tom, big Games. Tom, big >> hold on. Iron Wolf Interactive Games. >> hold on. Iron Wolf Interactive Games. >> hold on. Iron Wolf Interactive Games. Let's go. Uh, I'm gonna need to explore Let's go. Uh, I'm gonna need to explore Let's go. Uh, I'm gonna need to explore that. First of all, $50 super chat. that. First of all, $50 super chat. that. First of all, $50 super chat. Thank you. That's gangster. And then I Thank you. That's gangster. And then I Thank you. That's gangster. And then I am trying to put together some sort of am trying to put together some sort of am trying to put together some sort of collective of game devs. So, if your collective of game devs. So, if your collective of game devs. So, if your name is uh actually real, do hit your name is uh actually real, do hit your name is uh actually real, do hit your boy up in DMs on X, please. Okay, with boy up in DMs on X, please. Okay, with boy up in DMs on X, please. Okay, with that, Tom, big fan. AI powered fraud is that, Tom, big fan. AI powered fraud is that, Tom, big fan. AI powered fraud is hitting regular people hard. Kids, hitting regular people hard. Kids, hitting regular people hard. Kids, seniors, veterans, anyone with a phone. seniors, veterans, anyone with a phone. seniors, veterans, anyone with a phone. Air Force Vet CISSP here. I built a tool Air Force Vet CISSP here. I built a tool Air Force Vet CISSP here. I built a tool to help people check suspicious text to help people check suspicious text to help people check suspicious text emails. Would love your thoughts. emails. Would love your thoughts. emails. Would love your thoughts. >> Um, it's amazing. I'm shocked that >> Um, it's amazing. I'm shocked that >> Um, it's amazing. I'm shocked that nobody's done this yet. This is such an nobody's done this yet. This is such an nobody's done this yet. This is such an obvious thing that somebody is going to obvious thing that somebody is going to obvious thing that somebody is going to handle. I've always thought that it handle. I've always thought that it handle. I've always thought that it needed to be handled at the level of the needed to be handled at the level of the needed to be handled at the level of the platforms that the platforms need to platforms that the platforms need to platforms that the platforms need to have um some sort of blockchain enabled have um some sort of blockchain enabled have um some sort of blockchain enabled thing that says it came from this thing that says it came from this thing that says it came from this account. Now, that's about as far as you account. Now, that's about as far as you account. Now, that's about as far as you can go, but you can look at an account can go, but you can look at an account can go, but you can look at an account and say that account either has trust or and say that account either has trust or and say that account either has trust or it doesn't. Um, and so if you imagine it doesn't. Um, and so if you imagine it doesn't. Um, and so if you imagine every user on social media basically every user on social media basically every user on social media basically getting like an Uber driver score where getting like an Uber driver score where getting like an Uber driver score where people can say um, good transaction, bad people can say um, good transaction, bad people can say um, good transaction, bad transaction, and then you know it came transaction, and then you know it came transaction, and then you know it came from this account. That way if somebody from this account. That way if somebody from this account. That way if somebody claims that they are Trump or whatever claims that they are Trump or whatever claims that they are Trump or whatever and here's a video rather than everybody and here's a video rather than everybody and here's a video rather than everybody having to go research that individually having to go research that individually having to go research that individually is is really from that person or not you is is really from that person or not you is is really from that person or not you just see ah the originator of that video just see ah the originator of that video just see ah the originator of that video of that post is actually that person of that post is actually that person of that post is actually that person that account uh and there's a lot of that account uh and there's a lot of that account uh and there's a lot of credibility in that. So the fact that credibility in that. So the fact that credibility in that. So the fact that that hasn't been done certainly is that hasn't been done certainly is that hasn't been done certainly is whites space for an entrepreneur. So if whites space for an entrepreneur. So if whites space for an entrepreneur. So if you have a great solution it's you have a great solution it's you have a great solution it's phenomenal. I totally agree that this is phenomenal. I totally agree that this is phenomenal. I totally agree that this is um impacting a lot of people. Uh you're um impacting a lot of people. Uh you're um impacting a lot of people. Uh you're just going to have to get ubiquity and just going to have to get ubiquity and just going to have to get ubiquity and that's the catch. That's why I've always that's the catch. That's why I've always that's the catch. That's why I've always believed this will be done at the believed this will be done at the believed this will be done at the platform level because everybody has to platform level because everybody has to platform level because everybody has to be using it. be using it. be using it. >> Nice. And to your point, I'm surprised. >> Nice. And to your point, I'm surprised. >> Nice. And to your point, I'm surprised. I thought when blockchain got adopted, I thought when blockchain got adopted, I thought when blockchain got adopted, web 3, we came out with so many web 3, we came out with so many web 3, we came out with so many different technologies on how we can different technologies on how we can different technologies on how we can protect the protect the protect the um internet in a fair, transparent, safe um internet in a fair, transparent, safe um internet in a fair, transparent, safe way. And it seems like we've done all way. And it seems like we've done all way. And it seems like we've done all the innovation on the crypto side, on the innovation on the crypto side, on the innovation on the crypto side, on the gaming side, on the technology side, the gaming side, on the technology side, the gaming side, on the technology side, but we still haven't caught up in like but we still haven't caught up in like but we still haven't caught up in like the security and all that. the security and all that. the security and all that. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if the fraud just >> Yeah. So, I don't know if the fraud just >> Yeah. So, I don't know if the fraud just hasn't hurt enough people or if there's hasn't hurt enough people or if there's hasn't hurt enough people or if there's some regulatory hurdle. Um I'm not quite some regulatory hurdle. Um I'm not quite some regulatory hurdle. Um I'm not quite sure what people are afraid of. It could sure what people are afraid of. It could sure what people are afraid of. It could be a privacy issue that they don't want be a privacy issue that they don't want be a privacy issue that they don't want people to know that that's their people to know that that's their people to know that that's their address. I don't know. But, uh people address. I don't know. But, uh people address. I don't know. But, uh people already know your socials. I'm not already know your socials. I'm not already know your socials. I'm not saying it needs to be tied to you as a saying it needs to be tied to you as a saying it needs to be tied to you as a person. I'm just saying that each person. I'm just saying that each person. I'm just saying that each account needs to have a score um so that account needs to have a score um so that account needs to have a score um so that I know anonymous or not that they've got I know anonymous or not that they've got I know anonymous or not that they've got credibility, that they've got trust like credibility, that they've got trust like credibility, that they've got trust like eBay. eBay. eBay. >> Um so I I remain shocked that this >> Um so I I remain shocked that this >> Um so I I remain shocked that this hasn't happened yet. hasn't happened yet. hasn't happened yet. >> It is interesting. Um all right, I want >> It is interesting. Um all right, I want >> It is interesting. Um all right, I want to throw up Warren Buffett's message. to throw up Warren Buffett's message. to throw up Warren Buffett's message. Um, this is your turn to do a victory Um, this is your turn to do a victory Um, this is your turn to do a victory lap, Tom, about how the casino the Wall lap, Tom, about how the casino the Wall lap, Tom, about how the casino the Wall Street is just like a casino and a lot Street is just like a casino and a lot Street is just like a casino and a lot of people are gambling in the markets. of people are gambling in the markets. of people are gambling in the markets. >> You know, I' I've compared it the >> You know, I' I've compared it the >> You know, I' I've compared it the markets to a church with a casino markets to a church with a casino markets to a church with a casino attached and and people can move between attached and and people can move between attached and and people can move between the church and casino and and the church and casino and and the church and casino and and >> I always said there are more people in >> I always said there are more people in >> I always said there are more people in the church and more people in the the church and more people in the the church and more people in the casino, but the casino's gotten very casino, but the casino's gotten very casino, but the casino's gotten very attractive to people. you know, if attractive to people. you know, if attractive to people. you know, if you're buying one day options you're buying one day options you're buying one day options or selling them, or selling them, or selling them, I mean, that is I mean, that is I mean, that is uh that's not investing. It's not uh that's not investing. It's not uh that's not investing. It's not speculating, it's gambling, you know, speculating, it's gambling, you know, speculating, it's gambling, you know, just totally. just totally. just totally. There's nobody that can explain why There's nobody that can explain why There's nobody that can explain why they're buying an option for one day. they're buying an option for one day. they're buying an option for one day. So, we've never had people in a more So, we've never had people in a more So, we've never had people in a more gambling gambling gambling >> going to make money on it. >> going to make money on it. >> going to make money on it. >> Yeah. food than now. But that doesn't >> Yeah. food than now. But that doesn't >> Yeah. food than now. But that doesn't mean that investing is terrible. It mean that investing is terrible. It mean that investing is terrible. It doesn't mean doesn't mean doesn't mean >> Sorry, I talked over maybe his most >> Sorry, I talked over maybe his most >> Sorry, I talked over maybe his most important statement. He said, um, important statement. He said, um, important statement. He said, um, there's never been more people gambling there's never been more people gambling there's never been more people gambling than now. Uh, yeah, we we are in that than now. Uh, yeah, we we are in that than now. Uh, yeah, we we are in that moment. And getting people to understand moment. And getting people to understand moment. And getting people to understand that the stock market is gambling at its that the stock market is gambling at its that the stock market is gambling at its very foundation. Um, I get he probably very foundation. Um, I get he probably very foundation. Um, I get he probably would not agree with that statement would not agree with that statement would not agree with that statement because he's a value investor and he because he's a value investor and he because he's a value investor and he thinks, well, no, these things are as thinks, well, no, these things are as thinks, well, no, these things are as close to a guarantee as you're going to close to a guarantee as you're going to close to a guarantee as you're going to get. Yes, I understand that. But if get. Yes, I understand that. But if get. Yes, I understand that. But if there was no riskreward, there would be there was no riskreward, there would be there was no riskreward, there would be no reward. So, it only has reward no reward. So, it only has reward no reward. So, it only has reward because there is risk. The risk is the because there is risk. The risk is the because there is risk. The risk is the gambling part. You believe that you gambling part. You believe that you gambling part. You believe that you understand better than anybody else why understand better than anybody else why understand better than anybody else why this thing will go up. And so, you're this thing will go up. And so, you're this thing will go up. And so, you're making it's uh it's a new game at the making it's uh it's a new game at the making it's uh it's a new game at the casino where you actually can beat the casino where you actually can beat the casino where you actually can beat the house. So, fair enough. you can beat the house. So, fair enough. you can beat the house. So, fair enough. you can beat the house. It's one of the the few games house. It's one of the the few games house. It's one of the the few games where that is true. But nonetheless, where that is true. But nonetheless, where that is true. But nonetheless, you're still betting against other you're still betting against other you're still betting against other people. And getting people to understand people. And getting people to understand people. And getting people to understand >> that the reason these things work over >> that the reason these things work over >> that the reason these things work over time is that there are winners and time is that there are winners and time is that there are winners and losers. And for you to make money, losers. And for you to make money, losers. And for you to make money, somebody somewhere lost money. Unless somebody somewhere lost money. Unless somebody somewhere lost money. Unless you you held the entire time and then you you held the entire time and then you you held the entire time and then you sell once to somebody who's going to you sell once to somebody who's going to you sell once to somebody who's going to hold for 20 years, and then they sell hold for 20 years, and then they sell hold for 20 years, and then they sell once to somebody who's going to hold for once to somebody who's going to hold for once to somebody who's going to hold for 20 years. And so every yay, thank you. 20 years. And so every yay, thank you. 20 years. And so every yay, thank you. And they just keep going up and up and And they just keep going up and up and And they just keep going up and up and up. But the market doesn't work like up. But the market doesn't work like up. But the market doesn't work like that. So on balance, like yes, if you that. So on balance, like yes, if you that. So on balance, like yes, if you put your money in and you don't touch put your money in and you don't touch put your money in and you don't touch it, you're good. But the reality is the it, you're good. But the reality is the it, you're good. But the reality is the markets work the way they work because markets work the way they work because markets work the way they work because most people buy high and sell low. most people buy high and sell low. most people buy high and sell low. That's just the truth. Very sad. Most That's just the truth. Very sad. Most That's just the truth. Very sad. Most people cannot just hold. Um, and that people cannot just hold. Um, and that people cannot just hold. Um, and that for my money means that the church sort for my money means that the church sort for my money means that the church sort of is a casino. Uh, and that's of is a casino. Uh, and that's of is a casino. Uh, and that's definitely my mental model. I mean, it definitely my mental model. I mean, it definitely my mental model. I mean, it definitely doesn't help its reputation definitely doesn't help its reputation definitely doesn't help its reputation when the highest asset class is Pokemon when the highest asset class is Pokemon when the highest asset class is Pokemon cards. So, [laughter] cards. So, [laughter] cards. So, [laughter] >> people need to look at the scale. This >> people need to look at the scale. This >> people need to look at the scale. This is wild. I looked this up because I was is wild. I looked this up because I was is wild. I looked this up because I was like, there's no way this is real. like, there's no way this is real. like, there's no way this is real. Somebody forged this. AI at least Somebody forged this. AI at least Somebody forged this. AI at least believes that this is directionally believes that this is directionally believes that this is directionally correct with some nuance and caveats, of correct with some nuance and caveats, of correct with some nuance and caveats, of course, but yeah, this one is crazy. course, but yeah, this one is crazy. course, but yeah, this one is crazy. >> Yeah. So, if you would have invested >> Yeah. So, if you would have invested >> Yeah. So, if you would have invested $1,000 5 years ago, S&P 500, your money $1,000 5 years ago, S&P 500, your money $1,000 5 years ago, S&P 500, your money would be up 31%. Bitcoin, your money would be up 31%. Bitcoin, your money would be up 31%. Bitcoin, your money will be up 35%. Gold, you will be up will be up 35%. Gold, you will be up will be up 35%. Gold, you will be up 160%. Pokemon cards, you'll be up 160%. Pokemon cards, you'll be up 160%. Pokemon cards, you'll be up 1,900%. 1,900%. 1,900%. >> That's wild. >> That's wild. >> That's wild. >> That is crazy. >> That is crazy. >> That is crazy. >> That's wild. >> That's wild. >> That's wild. >> Yeah. Now, uh I'd be very interested to >> Yeah. Now, uh I'd be very interested to >> Yeah. Now, uh I'd be very interested to see if if they're treating the Pokemon see if if they're treating the Pokemon see if if they're treating the Pokemon cards like a an index where it's all cards like a an index where it's all cards like a an index where it's all cards across everything. Doubtful cards across everything. Doubtful cards across everything. Doubtful because the vast majority of cards are because the vast majority of cards are because the vast majority of cards are going to be just absolutely worthless. going to be just absolutely worthless. going to be just absolutely worthless. Even today, they'll be pennies. Mhm. Even today, they'll be pennies. Mhm. Even today, they'll be pennies. Mhm. >> Um, but yeah, it is very fascinating and >> Um, but yeah, it is very fascinating and >> Um, but yeah, it is very fascinating and I'm not entirely sure yet what this says I'm not entirely sure yet what this says I'm not entirely sure yet what this says about long-term investing because I have about long-term investing because I have about long-term investing because I have a feeling that whenever you're seeing a feeling that whenever you're seeing a feeling that whenever you're seeing pop culture become this level of a pop culture become this level of a pop culture become this level of a phenomenon that it is a bad sign that phenomenon that it is a bad sign that phenomenon that it is a bad sign that the markets we're just so far out on the the markets we're just so far out on the the markets we're just so far out on the risk curve that people are investing in risk curve that people are investing in risk curve that people are investing in this and that this is going to contract this and that this is going to contract this and that this is going to contract in a very similar way to it. not as bad in a very similar way to it. not as bad in a very similar way to it. not as bad as um shitcoins basically, but it is in as um shitcoins basically, but it is in as um shitcoins basically, but it is in a similar vein. You have people that a similar vein. You have people that a similar vein. You have people that treat investing like gambling and oh, I treat investing like gambling and oh, I treat investing like gambling and oh, I can gamble on this thing that I really can gamble on this thing that I really can gamble on this thing that I really like. Um and so there is this natural like. Um and so there is this natural like. Um and so there is this natural affinity for this stuff. Um however, affinity for this stuff. Um however, affinity for this stuff. Um however, when people begin treating something when people begin treating something when people begin treating something that doesn't really have core that doesn't really have core that doesn't really have core fundamentals, it has nostalgia, it has fundamentals, it has nostalgia, it has fundamentals, it has nostalgia, it has like extreme emotional connection, like extreme emotional connection, like extreme emotional connection, totally understand. As somebody who totally understand. As somebody who totally understand. As somebody who collects one piece cards, I get it. Um, collects one piece cards, I get it. Um, collects one piece cards, I get it. Um, but I don't collect them as an but I don't collect them as an but I don't collect them as an investment. I collect the cards. Um, so investment. I collect the cards. Um, so investment. I collect the cards. Um, so that's one of those things where man, I that's one of those things where man, I that's one of those things where man, I would not I would feel very exposed if I would not I would feel very exposed if I would not I would feel very exposed if I were investing in this kind of thing in were investing in this kind of thing in were investing in this kind of thing in a major way in the same way that I would a major way in the same way that I would a major way in the same way that I would feel exposed if I were uh [ __ ] with feel exposed if I were uh [ __ ] with feel exposed if I were uh [ __ ] with shitcoin. So, I would just warn people shitcoin. So, I would just warn people shitcoin. So, I would just warn people that man, if you want to long-term that man, if you want to long-term that man, if you want to long-term invest, there are far safer bets. And invest, there are far safer bets. And invest, there are far safer bets. And this is based on a little bit of this is based on a little bit of this is based on a little bit of knowledge, but think about a baseball knowledge, but think about a baseball knowledge, but think about a baseball card from, you know, whatever uh a card from, you know, whatever uh a card from, you know, whatever uh a hundred years ago. It's just not going hundred years ago. It's just not going hundred years ago. It's just not going to have the popularity that it has now. to have the popularity that it has now. to have the popularity that it has now. And so cards for athletes tend to die And so cards for athletes tend to die And so cards for athletes tend to die off over time because the people that off over time because the people that off over time because the people that grew up with that player, grew up with that player, grew up with that player, >> they go through a phase where they get >> they go through a phase where they get >> they go through a phase where they get money. So in their 30s, 40s, 50s, like money. So in their 30s, 40s, 50s, like money. So in their 30s, 40s, 50s, like they're really hunting that stuff. As they're really hunting that stuff. As they're really hunting that stuff. As they start getting older, first of all, they start getting older, first of all, they start getting older, first of all, they're dying off and second, they're they're dying off and second, they're they're dying off and second, they're not going to be in high-risisk assets. not going to be in high-risisk assets. not going to be in high-risisk assets. So that's where those things tend to So that's where those things tend to So that's where those things tend to have a much more aggressive natural have a much more aggressive natural have a much more aggressive natural curve than something like an index fund curve than something like an index fund curve than something like an index fund in the stock market where the world only in the stock market where the world only in the stock market where the world only operates because of companies. And so operates because of companies. And so operates because of companies. And so you're going to have a lot more you're going to have a lot more you're going to have a lot more long-term viability there. Don't bet on long-term viability there. Don't bet on long-term viability there. Don't bet on individual horses, but on the fact that individual horses, but on the fact that individual horses, but on the fact that that will be the way that the world that will be the way that the world that will be the way that the world operates versus that that particular operates versus that that particular operates versus that that particular card people are still going to be into. card people are still going to be into. card people are still going to be into. So I just be a little bit careful about So I just be a little bit careful about So I just be a little bit careful about that. Pokemon credit though they do do a that. Pokemon credit though they do do a that. Pokemon credit though they do do a good job of getting the next generation good job of getting the next generation good job of getting the next generation just as excited and that's whether just as excited and that's whether just as excited and that's whether you're gen one the first 150 or gen I you're gen one the first 150 or gen I you're gen one the first 150 or gen I think they're at like five now where think they're at like five now where think they're at like five now where there's like a thousand Pokemon now so there's like a thousand Pokemon now so there's like a thousand Pokemon now so it's like they are trying to with every it's like they are trying to with every it's like they are trying to with every iteration every year keep the younger iteration every year keep the younger iteration every year keep the younger audience where I see your point sports audience where I see your point sports audience where I see your point sports cars the people who really really love cars the people who really really love cars the people who really really love Michael Jordan are now old rocking chair Michael Jordan are now old rocking chair Michael Jordan are now old rocking chair people and everybody's like oh we love people and everybody's like oh we love people and everybody's like oh we love LeBron now then in 20 years LeBron is LeBron now then in 20 years LeBron is LeBron now then in 20 years LeBron is gonna be the rocking chair people and gonna be the rocking chair people and gonna be the rocking chair people and there's gonna be some nude kid who does there's gonna be some nude kid who does there's gonna be some nude kid who does crazy things So I do see that with time crazy things So I do see that with time crazy things So I do see that with time those popularity and culture investments those popularity and culture investments those popularity and culture investments can like decrease but art do you think can like decrease but art do you think can like decrease but art do you think art decrease over time or is it like art decrease over time or is it like art decrease over time or is it like >> as an asset class it's very useful but >> as an asset class it's very useful but >> as an asset class it's very useful but it's the same thing you've got to be so it's the same thing you've got to be so it's the same thing you've got to be so good at identifying what piece of art is good at identifying what piece of art is good at identifying what piece of art is really going to stand the test of time really going to stand the test of time really going to stand the test of time when is something high enough to get out when is something high enough to get out when is something high enough to get out of it um but yeah art has of it um but yeah art has of it um but yeah art has >> has I don't know for how many hundreds >> has I don't know for how many hundreds >> has I don't know for how many hundreds of years been a very meaningful place to of years been a very meaningful place to of years been a very meaningful place to put your money um there are people that put your money um there are people that put your money um there are people that are going to argue that art is also a are going to argue that art is also a are going to argue that art is also a great way to scam the system, which is great way to scam the system, which is great way to scam the system, which is not an unfair statement. Uh, and so how not an unfair statement. Uh, and so how not an unfair statement. Uh, and so how much of art's value falls in that vein? much of art's value falls in that vein? much of art's value falls in that vein? I don't know. But people, humans really I don't know. But people, humans really I don't know. But people, humans really respond to art. There's a real appetite respond to art. There's a real appetite respond to art. There's a real appetite for it. for it. for it. >> Uh, this weekend I spent real money on >> Uh, this weekend I spent real money on >> Uh, this weekend I spent real money on cards because I have an affinity. I do cards because I have an affinity. I do cards because I have an affinity. I do not expect to ever sell them. not expect to ever sell them. not expect to ever sell them. >> Uh, for me, it's uh, when a piece of IP >> Uh, for me, it's uh, when a piece of IP >> Uh, for me, it's uh, when a piece of IP really impacts me, it's interesting. really impacts me, it's interesting. really impacts me, it's interesting. We're talking about this on May the 4th. We're talking about this on May the 4th. We're talking about this on May the 4th. when a piece of IP really impacts you, when a piece of IP really impacts you, when a piece of IP really impacts you, you want to wait to engage with it in a you want to wait to engage with it in a you want to wait to engage with it in a more deep fashion. Um, and so there's a more deep fashion. Um, and so there's a more deep fashion. Um, and so there's a certain type of person that is a certain type of person that is a certain type of person that is a collector. I'm not an investor when it collector. I'm not an investor when it collector. I'm not an investor when it comes to pop culture. I'm a collector. comes to pop culture. I'm a collector. comes to pop culture. I'm a collector. >> Uh, but there are obviously huge amounts >> Uh, but there are obviously huge amounts >> Uh, but there are obviously huge amounts of investors that can invest because of investors that can invest because of investors that can invest because there are people like me that collect there are people like me that collect there are people like me that collect and whether these things go up in value and whether these things go up in value and whether these things go up in value or down in value is irrelevant to me. I or down in value is irrelevant to me. I or down in value is irrelevant to me. I want it today. That's the price of it want it today. That's the price of it want it today. That's the price of it today. I'm either in or I'm out. Um, so today. I'm either in or I'm out. Um, so today. I'm either in or I'm out. Um, so yeah. yeah. yeah. >> I mean, you brought it up, so we might >> I mean, you brought it up, so we might >> I mean, you brought it up, so we might as well do the May the 4th video. Do you as well do the May the 4th video. Do you as well do the May the 4th video. Do you want to kind of cue us up this video want to kind of cue us up this video want to kind of cue us up this video that you made in Kaizen? that you made in Kaizen? that you made in Kaizen? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You know, I know Kaizen, for those >> Yeah. You know, I know Kaizen, for those >> Yeah. You know, I know Kaizen, for those that don't know, Tom's video game very that don't know, Tom's video game very that don't know, Tom's video game very close, near and dear to his heart. Thank close, near and dear to his heart. Thank close, near and dear to his heart. Thank everybody everybody everybody >> who watched the deep dive that's over a >> who watched the deep dive that's over a >> who watched the deep dive that's over a million with Did it cross? million with Did it cross? million with Did it cross? >> It crossed a million. Whoa. >> It crossed a million. Whoa. >> It crossed a million. Whoa. >> Yes. And we also had a Kaizen shout out >> Yes. And we also had a Kaizen shout out >> Yes. And we also had a Kaizen shout out in that as well. Easter egg. In fact, in that as well. Easter egg. In fact, in that as well. Easter egg. In fact, shout out to Brian who if you watch that shout out to Brian who if you watch that shout out to Brian who if you watch that video, uh, video, uh, video, uh, >> yes, >> yes, >> yes, >> without me knowing that it was going to >> without me knowing that it was going to >> without me knowing that it was going to happen, he spliced back and forth happen, he spliced back and forth happen, he spliced back and forth between one of the lead characters in between one of the lead characters in between one of the lead characters in Kaizen and me, which is, uh, really cool Kaizen and me, which is, uh, really cool Kaizen and me, which is, uh, really cool visually. So, shout out to him. But, visually. So, shout out to him. But, visually. So, shout out to him. But, yeah, so, um, I I am of the generation yeah, so, um, I I am of the generation yeah, so, um, I I am of the generation that was raised on the original Star that was raised on the original Star that was raised on the original Star Wars trilogy. And so, uh, for May the Wars trilogy. And so, uh, for May the Wars trilogy. And so, uh, for May the 4th, uh, a couple years ago, we made 4th, uh, a couple years ago, we made 4th, uh, a couple years ago, we made this promotional video for Kaizen. So, this promotional video for Kaizen. So, this promotional video for Kaizen. So, if you're in front of a a TV or you've if you're in front of a a TV or you've if you're in front of a a TV or you've got your phone, now is the time to pull got your phone, now is the time to pull got your phone, now is the time to pull it out. The interesting thing about this it out. The interesting thing about this it out. The interesting thing about this is the sound design on this was done by is the sound design on this was done by is the sound design on this was done by a kid that I went to, not a kid anymore, a kid that I went to, not a kid anymore, a kid that I went to, not a kid anymore, but a guy that I went to film school but a guy that I went to film school but a guy that I went to film school with who was extraordinary in film with who was extraordinary in film with who was extraordinary in film school. It was like, yo, this guy is school. It was like, yo, this guy is school. It was like, yo, this guy is special. special. special. >> And he's gone on to be uh I don't know >> And he's gone on to be uh I don't know >> And he's gone on to be uh I don't know if he's won, but he's been nominated for if he's won, but he's been nominated for if he's won, but he's been nominated for multiple Academy Awards for sound multiple Academy Awards for sound multiple Academy Awards for sound design. design. design. >> Uh did the sound design for >> Uh did the sound design for >> Uh did the sound design for Transformers. Transformers. Transformers. >> Nice. is basically credited with giving >> Nice. is basically credited with giving >> Nice. is basically credited with giving birth to Dubstep because they were using birth to Dubstep because they were using birth to Dubstep because they were using all of his sounds from the movie, which all of his sounds from the movie, which all of his sounds from the movie, which is interesting. Uh, and most recently is interesting. Uh, and most recently is interesting. Uh, and most recently did Project Hail Mary. So, the the guy did Project Hail Mary. So, the the guy did Project Hail Mary. So, the the guy that I was able to get to do the sound that I was able to get to do the sound that I was able to get to do the sound design for this is an absolute gangster. design for this is an absolute gangster. design for this is an absolute gangster. His name's Eric Ad Doll. Uh, Eric, His name's Eric Ad Doll. Uh, Eric, His name's Eric Ad Doll. Uh, Eric, congrats, man. Your career is congrats, man. Your career is congrats, man. Your career is incredible. Uh, may we work together incredible. Uh, may we work together incredible. Uh, may we work together again on Kaizen. Uh, that would be again on Kaizen. Uh, that would be again on Kaizen. Uh, that would be amazing. But here we go with that. Take amazing. But here we go with that. Take amazing. But here we go with that. Take it away. [music] So this is one of those. So this is one of those. [music] All right. It was a lot of fun to make. All right. It was a lot of fun to make. So this was part of the the period of So this was part of the the period of So this was part of the the period of time where we were make I thought story time where we were make I thought story time where we were make I thought story was going to be the thing that set us was going to be the thing that set us was going to be the thing that set us apart. apart. apart. >> Uh that was going to be our claim to >> Uh that was going to be our claim to >> Uh that was going to be our claim to fame. And what we ended up realizing is fame. And what we ended up realizing is fame. And what we ended up realizing is it is so expensive to do things like it is so expensive to do things like it is so expensive to do things like that. We've got a few more videos that that. We've got a few more videos that that. We've got a few more videos that we did and I was just like, "Okay, A, we did and I was just like, "Okay, A, we did and I was just like, "Okay, A, this is extraordinarily expensive and B, this is extraordinarily expensive and B, this is extraordinarily expensive and B, it takes so much time." So now we it takes so much time." So now we it takes so much time." So now we actually do very little with the video actually do very little with the video actually do very little with the video stuff and it's all gameplay, gameplay, stuff and it's all gameplay, gameplay, stuff and it's all gameplay, gameplay, gameplay. Um, but it is fun to see gameplay. Um, but it is fun to see gameplay. Um, but it is fun to see those. Oh god, doing those is very, very those. Oh god, doing those is very, very those. Oh god, doing those is very, very fun. fun. fun. >> Has the economics just flipped now? So >> Has the economics just flipped now? So >> Has the economics just flipped now? So now was like now was like now was like >> I mean with AI, yes, but AI is still at >> I mean with AI, yes, but AI is still at >> I mean with AI, yes, but AI is still at a point where you can tell it's AI. a point where you can tell it's AI. a point where you can tell it's AI. >> So the gaming community will eviscerate >> So the gaming community will eviscerate >> So the gaming community will eviscerate you. Um you. Um you. Um >> I'm hopeful that by the time So we have >> I'm hopeful that by the time So we have >> I'm hopeful that by the time So we have 19 months and counting, which is crazy 19 months and counting, which is crazy 19 months and counting, which is crazy that we're now down in the teens before that we're now down in the teens before that we're now down in the teens before we go into early access. we go into early access. we go into early access. >> Um by then I'm hoping that AI's gotten >> Um by then I'm hoping that AI's gotten >> Um by then I'm hoping that AI's gotten to the point where it's like, okay, it's to the point where it's like, okay, it's to the point where it's like, okay, it's AI and it frustrates people that it's AI and it frustrates people that it's AI and it frustrates people that it's not humans. But for a small developer not humans. But for a small developer not humans. But for a small developer like us, like us, like us, >> it it's either that or we don't do >> it it's either that or we don't do >> it it's either that or we don't do videos. Um, so yeah, that's my hope. videos. Um, so yeah, that's my hope. videos. Um, so yeah, that's my hope. Fingers crossed we keep a very close eye Fingers crossed we keep a very close eye Fingers crossed we keep a very close eye on that. But the game itself, um, I on that. But the game itself, um, I on that. But the game itself, um, I think people are going to be pretty think people are going to be pretty think people are going to be pretty into. into. into. >> Nice. All right. And let's jump over to >> Nice. All right. And let's jump over to >> Nice. All right. And let's jump over to Marjorie Taylor Green who's been on a Marjorie Taylor Green who's been on a Marjorie Taylor Green who's been on a tear. Shout out to the Dogggers. I don't tear. Shout out to the Dogggers. I don't tear. Shout out to the Dogggers. I don't know if everybody seen it, know if everybody seen it, know if everybody seen it, >> if everybody can hear. Um, >> if everybody can hear. Um, >> if everybody can hear. Um, >> yeah. But MTG has been on a tear really >> yeah. But MTG has been on a tear really >> yeah. But MTG has been on a tear really going anti-Trump, saying that he is the going anti-Trump, saying that he is the going anti-Trump, saying that he is the reason they don't have the full Epstein reason they don't have the full Epstein reason they don't have the full Epstein files. Speaker Johnson has been there files. Speaker Johnson has been there files. Speaker Johnson has been there trying to protect them. This is a five trying to protect them. This is a five trying to protect them. This is a five minute video, so we won't jump into the minute video, so we won't jump into the minute video, so we won't jump into the whole thing, but just to kind of set us whole thing, but just to kind of set us whole thing, but just to kind of set us up. Do you up. Do you up. Do you >> do you see where she's coming from or do >> do you see where she's coming from or do >> do you see where she's coming from or do you put her kind of in the same category you put her kind of in the same category you put her kind of in the same category as like Tucker, Candace, she just kind as like Tucker, Candace, she just kind as like Tucker, Candace, she just kind of avoid Okay, I'll I'll give my naked of avoid Okay, I'll I'll give my naked of avoid Okay, I'll I'll give my naked read on MTG and I will say that uh I read on MTG and I will say that uh I read on MTG and I will say that uh I have not gone super deep on this. I have not gone super deep on this. I have not gone super deep on this. I could be getting completely bamboozled. could be getting completely bamboozled. could be getting completely bamboozled. >> When she first made my radar, it was at >> When she first made my radar, it was at >> When she first made my radar, it was at the State of the Union. Um, I can't I the State of the Union. Um, I can't I the State of the Union. Um, I can't I think it was Trump's first, maybe it was think it was Trump's first, maybe it was think it was Trump's first, maybe it was Biden's last, I don't remember, but it Biden's last, I don't remember, but it Biden's last, I don't remember, but it was the one where she was like screaming was the one where she was like screaming was the one where she was like screaming and yelling and smacking things together and yelling and smacking things together and yelling and smacking things together and just acting a complete fool. and just acting a complete fool. and just acting a complete fool. >> And so I was like, this woman is >> And so I was like, this woman is >> And so I was like, this woman is unhinged and completely wrote her off as unhinged and completely wrote her off as unhinged and completely wrote her off as somebody not worth paying attention to. somebody not worth paying attention to. somebody not worth paying attention to. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> And then when this all happened with the >> And then when this all happened with the >> And then when this all happened with the Epstein files and she actually left Epstein files and she actually left Epstein files and she actually left Congress. Now she might be on a run for Congress. Now she might be on a run for Congress. Now she might be on a run for something else and so maybe this is a something else and so maybe this is a something else and so maybe this is a grand political strategy and and I'll grand political strategy and and I'll grand political strategy and and I'll eat my words. But when she left, I was eat my words. But when she left, I was eat my words. But when she left, I was like, "Wait a second. Is this somebody like, "Wait a second. Is this somebody like, "Wait a second. Is this somebody who's actually standing on principles who's actually standing on principles who's actually standing on principles and was willing to act a fool because and was willing to act a fool because and was willing to act a fool because she so believed that she was right and she so believed that she was right and she so believed that she was right and she understands social media and so she she understands social media and so she she understands social media and so she was just like, "I know how to get was just like, "I know how to get was just like, "I know how to get attention. I'm right. I really believe attention. I'm right. I really believe attention. I'm right. I really believe what I'm saying and so I will make a what I'm saying and so I will make a what I'm saying and so I will make a spectacle of myself simply to get spectacle of myself simply to get spectacle of myself simply to get people's attention so that they hear my people's attention so that they hear my people's attention so that they hear my real message. Now that she is toned down real message. Now that she is toned down real message. Now that she is toned down and she's not like yelling and screaming and she's not like yelling and screaming and she's not like yelling and screaming and banging things in a place that I and banging things in a place that I and banging things in a place that I consider just completely inappropriate consider just completely inappropriate consider just completely inappropriate to do that and she's just laying out her to do that and she's just laying out her to do that and she's just laying out her message. She's like, "Listen, I was in message. She's like, "Listen, I was in message. She's like, "Listen, I was in the room. This is exactly what was being the room. This is exactly what was being the room. This is exactly what was being said. Um, I completely extended myself said. Um, I completely extended myself said. Um, I completely extended myself to Trump partly because I really thought to Trump partly because I really thought to Trump partly because I really thought he was a guy that was gonna fight for he was a guy that was gonna fight for he was a guy that was gonna fight for these women these women these women >> and that he has not done that and he has >> and that he has not done that and he has >> and that he has not done that and he has said to my face and to other people said to my face and to other people said to my face and to other people that, you know, there are good people that, you know, there are good people that, you know, there are good people that are going to be hurt by this and that are going to be hurt by this and that are going to be hurt by this and she's like, "What the fuck?" Like, there she's like, "What the fuck?" Like, there she's like, "What the fuck?" Like, there are good people that were already hurt are good people that were already hurt are good people that were already hurt by this and you're now silencing their by this and you're now silencing their by this and you're now silencing their voice. And so my mental map of her has voice. And so my mental map of her has voice. And so my mental map of her has updated to somebody that behaves in a updated to somebody that behaves in a updated to somebody that behaves in a manner that I don't find interesting manner that I don't find interesting manner that I don't find interesting most of the time previous to this. most of the time previous to this. most of the time previous to this. However, is really somebody that's However, is really somebody that's However, is really somebody that's standing on principle. Now, we'll get to standing on principle. Now, we'll get to standing on principle. Now, we'll get to the emotional reactivity of it all when the emotional reactivity of it all when the emotional reactivity of it all when we talk about the growing divide between we talk about the growing divide between we talk about the growing divide between men and women politically uh and what um men and women politically uh and what um men and women politically uh and what um from a neurological standpoint I think from a neurological standpoint I think from a neurological standpoint I think is driving that. So, she's got a is driving that. So, she's got a is driving that. So, she's got a behavioral affectation that I don't behavioral affectation that I don't behavioral affectation that I don't respond to, but I'm now mapping her respond to, but I'm now mapping her respond to, but I'm now mapping her somebody is who is deeply sincere about somebody is who is deeply sincere about somebody is who is deeply sincere about a set of principles that she really a set of principles that she really a set of principles that she really believes in. And woe be the man that believes in. And woe be the man that believes in. And woe be the man that violates those. violates those. violates those. >> Um, I want to tag this on with this kind >> Um, I want to tag this on with this kind >> Um, I want to tag this on with this kind of anti-war of anti-war of anti-war coalition that's happening right now. coalition that's happening right now. coalition that's happening right now. Somebody in the chat just said something Somebody in the chat just said something Somebody in the chat just said something like, "What? Tucker and Candace aren't like, "What? Tucker and Candace aren't like, "What? Tucker and Candace aren't in the same category? How can you in the same category? How can you in the same category? How can you compare them two?" compare them two?" compare them two?" >> Interesting. But there is this category >> Interesting. But there is this category >> Interesting. But there is this category of we might have difference in of we might have difference in of we might have difference in ideologies politically, but we're both ideologies politically, but we're both ideologies politically, but we're both aligned that we want to be an America aligned that we want to be an America aligned that we want to be an America first anti-war coalition of people just first anti-war coalition of people just first anti-war coalition of people just until midterm, just until the next until midterm, just until the next until midterm, just until the next >> I say values matter. Values matter, >> I say values matter. Values matter, >> I say values matter. Values matter, dude. Race and political party. Same dude. Race and political party. Same dude. Race and political party. Same same values. You suddenly see like, oh, same values. You suddenly see like, oh, same values. You suddenly see like, oh, it's not about being on the left or the it's not about being on the left or the it's not about being on the left or the right because that's a tribe at this right because that's a tribe at this right because that's a tribe at this point. It's about what do you actually point. It's about what do you actually point. It's about what do you actually believe? And so now all of a sudden believe? And so now all of a sudden believe? And so now all of a sudden there's this common ground being found there's this common ground being found there's this common ground being found between people on the like hard left and between people on the like hard left and between people on the like hard left and people on the hard right who are like on people on the hard right who are like on people on the hard right who are like on this issue we share a value set. And so this issue we share a value set. And so this issue we share a value set. And so now all of a sudden it feels good like now all of a sudden it feels good like now all of a sudden it feels good like you see this thing that I really care you see this thing that I really care you see this thing that I really care about the same way that I do. Hm. And about the same way that I do. Hm. And about the same way that I do. Hm. And they are discovering an age-old reality they are discovering an age-old reality they are discovering an age-old reality about being a human which is values are about being a human which is values are about being a human which is values are the only thing you care about. the only thing you care about. the only thing you care about. Everything else is an affectation layer. Everything else is an affectation layer. Everything else is an affectation layer. It's a presentation layer. It's not like It's a presentation layer. It's not like It's a presentation layer. It's not like >> it's not the real thing. You don't give >> it's not the real thing. You don't give >> it's not the real thing. You don't give a [ __ ] about that. Like that's all just a [ __ ] about that. Like that's all just a [ __ ] about that. Like that's all just like do you like blondes or brunettes? like do you like blondes or brunettes? like do you like blondes or brunettes? >> The reality is h it doesn't really >> The reality is h it doesn't really >> The reality is h it doesn't really matter and you could end up marrying matter and you could end up marrying matter and you could end up marrying somebody that is completely different somebody that is completely different somebody that is completely different than you ever thought because it's how than you ever thought because it's how than you ever thought because it's how does this person make me feel? does this person make me feel? does this person make me feel? >> So that's fascinating. >> So that's fascinating. >> So that's fascinating. >> Yeah. Do you think that it takes that >> Yeah. Do you think that it takes that >> Yeah. Do you think that it takes that much? Because I think right now I have much? Because I think right now I have much? Because I think right now I have been feeling frustrated politically been feeling frustrated politically been feeling frustrated politically because I see all the things because I see all the things because I see all the things >> real. >> real. >> real. >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. >> I have I've been seeing all the things >> I have I've been seeing all the things >> I have I've been seeing all the things that are wrong but I don't know that are wrong but I don't know that are wrong but I don't know understand necessarily how to combat understand necessarily how to combat understand necessarily how to combat that. what where to start, how to move. that. what where to start, how to move. that. what where to start, how to move. >> And even in this exchange, I'll jump >> And even in this exchange, I'll jump >> And even in this exchange, I'll jump right to it. Medi Hassan kind of right to it. Medi Hassan kind of right to it. Medi Hassan kind of retweeted Tucker Carlson's uh New York retweeted Tucker Carlson's uh New York retweeted Tucker Carlson's uh New York Times interview and says, "Hey, Chank Times interview and says, "Hey, Chank Times interview and says, "Hey, Chank and all the other um fellow anti-war and all the other um fellow anti-war and all the other um fellow anti-war leftists. I get the desire to ally with leftists. I get the desire to ally with leftists. I get the desire to ally with anti-war writers in this movement." anti-war writers in this movement." anti-war writers in this movement." Anti-left anti-war leftist, anti-war Anti-left anti-war leftist, anti-war Anti-left anti-war leftist, anti-war writers, that's the coalition. But this writers, that's the coalition. But this writers, that's the coalition. But this is one of the many, many reasons I still is one of the many, many reasons I still is one of the many, many reasons I still have issues with Carlson. He lies so have issues with Carlson. He lies so have issues with Carlson. He lies so easily and casually and demonstrabably. easily and casually and demonstrabably. easily and casually and demonstrabably. It's a trust issue with him. And then It's a trust issue with him. And then It's a trust issue with him. And then Chank replied, I genuinely don't Chank replied, I genuinely don't Chank replied, I genuinely don't understand why you think it think in understand why you think it think in understand why you think it think in this binary way that in order to be this binary way that in order to be this binary way that in order to be allies with someone on an issue, you allies with someone on an issue, you allies with someone on an issue, you have to vouch for that person in their have to vouch for that person in their have to vouch for that person in their entirety or every policy position they entirety or every policy position they entirety or every policy position they have. No, you just have to have to be have. No, you just have to have to be have. No, you just have to have to be their ally on that issue. Do you agree their ally on that issue. Do you agree their ally on that issue. Do you agree with that? That you can make allies as with that? That you can make allies as with that? That you can make allies as long as you guys have one principle that long as you guys have one principle that long as you guys have one principle that you can stand on or does it matter the you can stand on or does it matter the you can stand on or does it matter the totality of their character before you totality of their character before you totality of their character before you get into a partnership with somebody? I get into a partnership with somebody? I get into a partnership with somebody? I think the the politically expedient think the the politically expedient think the the politically expedient thing and this is where I go into tom thing and this is where I go into tom thing and this is where I go into tom bill mode which is bill mode which is bill mode which is >> oh man does it drive people crazy but uh >> oh man does it drive people crazy but uh >> oh man does it drive people crazy but uh the way that I look at it is I'm just the way that I look at it is I'm just the way that I look at it is I'm just going to tell you what is going to tell you what is going to tell you what is >> it is politically expedient to partner >> it is politically expedient to partner >> it is politically expedient to partner with somebody that can help you get a with somebody that can help you get a with somebody that can help you get a thing that you really care about done thing that you really care about done thing that you really care about done knowing that you disdain them in a knowing that you disdain them in a knowing that you disdain them in a thousand other ways. And so politicians thousand other ways. And so politicians thousand other ways. And so politicians will do this all the time. They'll will do this all the time. They'll will do this all the time. They'll become bedfellows for a minute and then become bedfellows for a minute and then become bedfellows for a minute and then they completely jettison each other, they completely jettison each other, they completely jettison each other, talk [ __ ] on each other again once that talk [ __ ] on each other again once that talk [ __ ] on each other again once that thank you. You did what I needed you to thank you. You did what I needed you to thank you. You did what I needed you to do and now I don't care about you do and now I don't care about you do and now I don't care about you anymore. anymore. anymore. >> This [clears throat] is precisely why um >> This [clears throat] is precisely why um >> This [clears throat] is precisely why um >> I hate politics. >> I hate politics. >> I hate politics. >> So then there is the um the flip side of >> So then there is the um the flip side of >> So then there is the um the flip side of that coin which is it's a very costic that coin which is it's a very costic that coin which is it's a very costic strategy. And so it makes you look like strategy. And so it makes you look like strategy. And so it makes you look like a slick politician who doesn't actually a slick politician who doesn't actually a slick politician who doesn't actually care about people. And so for anybody care about people. And so for anybody care about people. And so for anybody that reads the situation of well but that reads the situation of well but that reads the situation of well but hold on this is a this person is a whole hold on this is a this person is a whole hold on this is a this person is a whole character. I cannot look past these character. I cannot look past these character. I cannot look past these other things. And anybody that can like other things. And anybody that can like other things. And anybody that can like you're faking you're manipulating me. you're faking you're manipulating me. you're faking you're manipulating me. And so you'll get that reputation over And so you'll get that reputation over And so you'll get that reputation over time. So that's what is now I don't time. So that's what is now I don't time. So that's what is now I don't think that um people are going to be think that um people are going to be think that um people are going to be able to politically get things done that able to politically get things done that able to politically get things done that they want to get done if they're not they want to get done if they're not they want to get done if they're not able to partner with somebody that they able to partner with somebody that they able to partner with somebody that they don't agree with um across a whole bunch don't agree with um across a whole bunch don't agree with um across a whole bunch of things but do agree with on one. I of things but do agree with on one. I of things but do agree with on one. I think you have to take again for think you have to take again for think you have to take again for political expedience. You have to take political expedience. You have to take political expedience. You have to take the partnerships where you can get them the partnerships where you can get them the partnerships where you can get them knowing that you're going to um ditch knowing that you're going to um ditch knowing that you're going to um ditch them. The classic example of this is one them. The classic example of this is one them. The classic example of this is one of the biggest monsters of the 20th of the biggest monsters of the 20th of the biggest monsters of the 20th century. One of the biggest monsters in century. One of the biggest monsters in century. One of the biggest monsters in all of human history uh was Joseph all of human history uh was Joseph all of human history uh was Joseph Stalin. And the US, the UK, the allies Stalin. And the US, the UK, the allies Stalin. And the US, the UK, the allies partnered with Joseph Stalin to get rid partnered with Joseph Stalin to get rid partnered with Joseph Stalin to get rid of Hitler. And it's not that they didn't of Hitler. And it's not that they didn't of Hitler. And it's not that they didn't know what Stalin was up to. They knew know what Stalin was up to. They knew know what Stalin was up to. They knew perfectly well. The reason that they perfectly well. The reason that they perfectly well. The reason that they partnered was that it was expedient. We partnered was that it was expedient. We partnered was that it was expedient. We both hate Hitler and Hitler is an acute both hate Hitler and Hitler is an acute both hate Hitler and Hitler is an acute threat right now. You're a long-term threat right now. You're a long-term threat right now. You're a long-term threat, but he's an acute threat. So threat, but he's an acute threat. So threat, but he's an acute threat. So cool. You help us out, we'll get this cool. You help us out, we'll get this cool. You help us out, we'll get this and then we can fight our war, which we and then we can fight our war, which we and then we can fight our war, which we then ended up fighting all the way up then ended up fighting all the way up then ended up fighting all the way up until like 99. So it's until like 99. So it's until like 99. So it's >> or ' 92, sorry, 91. Anyway, >> or ' 92, sorry, 91. Anyway, >> or ' 92, sorry, 91. Anyway, >> uh so that's the thing that I think we >> uh so that's the thing that I think we >> uh so that's the thing that I think we need to look at. So, if I were advising need to look at. So, if I were advising need to look at. So, if I were advising the country, I would say yes, partner the country, I would say yes, partner the country, I would say yes, partner with somebody if they can help you get with somebody if they can help you get with somebody if they can help you get this thing done. Like, if we needed to this thing done. Like, if we needed to this thing done. Like, if we needed to partner with China to get what we want partner with China to get what we want partner with China to get what we want out of Iran, do it. Um, but knowing out of Iran, do it. Um, but knowing out of Iran, do it. Um, but knowing we're still in Thusidity's trap with we're still in Thusidity's trap with we're still in Thusidity's trap with China, like nothing is going to change China, like nothing is going to change China, like nothing is going to change that. So, that's how I would play it. that. So, that's how I would play it. that. So, that's how I would play it. >> This reminded me of like a quick >> This reminded me of like a quick >> This reminded me of like a quick fractal. It doesn't have to be big, but fractal. It doesn't have to be big, but fractal. It doesn't have to be big, but like are you one of those people that like are you one of those people that like are you one of those people that can separate the art from the artist? can separate the art from the artist? can separate the art from the artist? Like that whole argument? I can, but it Like that whole argument? I can, but it Like that whole argument? I can, but it it does uh tarnish it. Even Star Wars it does uh tarnish it. Even Star Wars it does uh tarnish it. Even Star Wars >> has been damaged for me by the most >> has been damaged for me by the most >> has been damaged for me by the most recent stuff. Star Wars is about recent stuff. Star Wars is about recent stuff. Star Wars is about >> um training, using the force to improve >> um training, using the force to improve >> um training, using the force to improve yourself. George Lucas started taking it yourself. George Lucas started taking it yourself. George Lucas started taking it down a bad path with mediclorines. That down a bad path with mediclorines. That down a bad path with mediclorines. That was just a crazy mistake on his part. was just a crazy mistake on his part. was just a crazy mistake on his part. And then modern Disney just absolutely And then modern Disney just absolutely And then modern Disney just absolutely ruined it by saying, "Well, as long as ruined it by saying, "Well, as long as ruined it by saying, "Well, as long as you're a woman, you're already you're a woman, you're already you're a woman, you're already powerful." That's just stupid. um powerful." That's just stupid. um powerful." That's just stupid. um showing a woman earn her stripes is showing a woman earn her stripes is showing a woman earn her stripes is dope. So that's why like take a movie dope. So that's why like take a movie dope. So that's why like take a movie like um Kill Bill, female protagonist. like um Kill Bill, female protagonist. like um Kill Bill, female protagonist. Nobody had beef. In fact, she's dope as Nobody had beef. In fact, she's dope as Nobody had beef. In fact, she's dope as the day is long, but you watch her train the day is long, but you watch her train the day is long, but you watch her train and become a badass. She's not just and become a badass. She's not just and become a badass. She's not just badass by dent of being female. Um so badass by dent of being female. Um so badass by dent of being female. Um so period to keep it from being a period to keep it from being a period to keep it from being a >> No, I got you. I got you. It it's it's >> No, I got you. I got you. It it's it's >> No, I got you. I got you. It it's it's interesting though. We'll see how this interesting though. We'll see how this interesting though. We'll see how this coalition kind of happens because I coalition kind of happens because I coalition kind of happens because I think that while everybody's friends think that while everybody's friends think that while everybody's friends when everybody has a need, but as soon when everybody has a need, but as soon when everybody has a need, but as soon as one person gets a need and then the as one person gets a need and then the as one person gets a need and then the opportunity arises, I'll be interesting opportunity arises, I'll be interesting opportunity arises, I'll be interesting to see who jumps ships and backtracks to see who jumps ships and backtracks to see who jumps ships and backtracks and who says, "Okay, cool. Done. On to and who says, "Okay, cool. Done. On to and who says, "Okay, cool. Done. On to this." And now they're attacking again. this." And now they're attacking again. this." And now they're attacking again. So, we'll kind of see. But it seems like So, we'll kind of see. But it seems like So, we'll kind of see. But it seems like this war has united different factions this war has united different factions this war has united different factions of people in ways that I didn't see of people in ways that I didn't see of people in ways that I didn't see coming in. coming in. coming in. >> Um, and we'll see when we get to um the >> Um, and we'll see when we get to um the >> Um, and we'll see when we get to um the midterms. All right, we have to talk midterms. All right, we have to talk midterms. All right, we have to talk about Snap and the people that were about Snap and the people that were about Snap and the people that were scamming this system. Um, these are some scamming this system. Um, these are some scamming this system. Um, these are some Hall of Fame scammers. Um, but Hall of Fame scammers. Um, but Hall of Fame scammers. Um, but apparently according to Fox News, it apparently according to Fox News, it apparently according to Fox News, it will be will be will be 186,000 people have been found dead on 186,000 people have been found dead on 186,000 people have been found dead on SNAP. Hundreds of thousands of double SNAP. Hundreds of thousands of double SNAP. Hundreds of thousands of double dippers. So, there is a thought now that dippers. So, there is a thought now that dippers. So, there is a thought now that you will be forced to reapply to the you will be forced to reapply to the you will be forced to reapply to the program and have to kind of clean up the program and have to kind of clean up the program and have to kind of clean up the roles. Um, I know this is in the midst roles. Um, I know this is in the midst roles. Um, I know this is in the midst of JD Vance going through Minnesota and of JD Vance going through Minnesota and of JD Vance going through Minnesota and California. I think they found over 400 California. I think they found over 400 California. I think they found over 400 businesses and fraudulent hospices and businesses and fraudulent hospices and businesses and fraudulent hospices and all these other things. So, there is a all these other things. So, there is a all these other things. So, there is a purge kind of happening. Um, what was purge kind of happening. Um, what was purge kind of happening. Um, what was your opinion on the snap news? your opinion on the snap news? your opinion on the snap news? >> Yeah, in addition to the dead people and >> Yeah, in addition to the dead people and >> Yeah, in addition to the dead people and the double dippers, 14,000 people that the double dippers, 14,000 people that the double dippers, 14,000 people that are on food stamps were caught driving are on food stamps were caught driving are on food stamps were caught driving Bentleys, Ferraris, Lamborghinis. Bentleys, Ferraris, Lamborghinis. Bentleys, Ferraris, Lamborghinis. >> Fraud much? And that, by the way, was >> Fraud much? And that, by the way, was >> Fraud much? And that, by the way, was what was found in just one state. So, what was found in just one state. So, what was found in just one state. So, the USDA is calling out that there is the USDA is calling out that there is the USDA is calling out that there is massive systemic fraud in the SNAP massive systemic fraud in the SNAP massive systemic fraud in the SNAP program. Because of that, the program. Because of that, the program. Because of that, the agriculture secretary, Brooke Rollins, agriculture secretary, Brooke Rollins, agriculture secretary, Brooke Rollins, is forcing every single SNAP recipient is forcing every single SNAP recipient is forcing every single SNAP recipient in the country to reapply, all 42 in the country to reapply, all 42 in the country to reapply, all 42 million of them. This is coming after million of them. This is coming after million of them. This is coming after the 43-day government shutdown. The USDA the 43-day government shutdown. The USDA the 43-day government shutdown. The USDA dug into the recipient data from 29 dug into the recipient data from 29 dug into the recipient data from 29 states, and what they found just set off states, and what they found just set off states, and what they found just set off a ton of alarm bells. 186,000 dead a ton of alarm bells. 186,000 dead a ton of alarm bells. 186,000 dead Americans collecting benefits. Half a Americans collecting benefits. Half a Americans collecting benefits. Half a million people enrolled in two states at million people enrolled in two states at million people enrolled in two states at the same time, double dipping on the same time, double dipping on the same time, double dipping on taxpayer dollars. 226,000 taxpayer dollars. 226,000 taxpayer dollars. 226,000 fraudulent claims have been approved. fraudulent claims have been approved. fraudulent claims have been approved. EBT cards sitting on balances of over EBT cards sitting on balances of over EBT cards sitting on balances of over $10,000. $10,000. $10,000. Cards issued to people who just don't Cards issued to people who just don't Cards issued to people who just don't exist. And again, that's just from the exist. And again, that's just from the exist. And again, that's just from the 29 mostly Republican le states that 29 mostly Republican le states that 29 mostly Republican le states that actually complied with sending in the actually complied with sending in the actually complied with sending in the data. 21 Democraticled states refuse to data. 21 Democraticled states refuse to data. 21 Democraticled states refuse to hand over their data and are suing the hand over their data and are suing the hand over their data and are suing the USDA to keep it locked up. This kind of USDA to keep it locked up. This kind of USDA to keep it locked up. This kind of thing drives me nuts. I don't know how thing drives me nuts. I don't know how thing drives me nuts. I don't know how as a society we stand for that. That is as a society we stand for that. That is as a society we stand for that. That is crazy. Turn over your data. We can foyer crazy. Turn over your data. We can foyer crazy. Turn over your data. We can foyer request people in the government for a request people in the government for a request people in the government for a reason. There's supposed to be reason. There's supposed to be reason. There's supposed to be transparency. Unless it is a national transparency. Unless it is a national transparency. Unless it is a national security issue, this data should be security issue, this data should be security issue, this data should be public. We should be able to figure out public. We should be able to figure out public. We should be able to figure out exactly what is going on. Now, Rollins exactly what is going on. Now, Rollins exactly what is going on. Now, Rollins says the administration has already says the administration has already says the administration has already moved 4.3 million people off of SNAP moved 4.3 million people off of SNAP moved 4.3 million people off of SNAP since Trump took office. There's been since Trump took office. There's been since Trump took office. There's been 118 arrests, and she's saying that 118 arrests, and she's saying that 118 arrests, and she's saying that there's going to be more. So, the there's going to be more. So, the there's going to be more. So, the mandate becomes very simple. If you want mandate becomes very simple. If you want mandate becomes very simple. If you want to keep collecting, you've got to prove to keep collecting, you've got to prove to keep collecting, you've got to prove that you actually qualify. You have to that you actually qualify. You have to that you actually qualify. You have to reverify your income. You have to reverify your income. You have to reverify your income. You have to reverify your household. You have to reverify your household. You have to reverify your household. You have to reverify that you're alive. reverify that you're alive. reverify that you're alive. Yikes. That we have to do that is crazy. Yikes. That we have to do that is crazy. Yikes. That we have to do that is crazy. For decades, SNAP enrollment exploded For decades, SNAP enrollment exploded For decades, SNAP enrollment exploded with almost no scrutiny whatsoever, with almost no scrutiny whatsoever, with almost no scrutiny whatsoever, which has been a huge mistake. Improper which has been a huge mistake. Improper which has been a huge mistake. Improper payments hit nearly 11% of the program payments hit nearly 11% of the program payments hit nearly 11% of the program last year. Roughly $10 billion in waste, last year. Roughly $10 billion in waste, last year. Roughly $10 billion in waste, error, and outright theft. So Rollins is error, and outright theft. So Rollins is error, and outright theft. So Rollins is saying that that that game is over. saying that that that game is over. saying that that that game is over. We're not doing that anymore. We'll see. We're not doing that anymore. We'll see. We're not doing that anymore. We'll see. But I you have to means test this stuff. But I you have to means test this stuff. But I you have to means test this stuff. This one is crazy to me. This one is crazy to me. This one is crazy to me. >> At this point now, I feel like you have >> At this point now, I feel like you have >> At this point now, I feel like you have to go just across the board. every to go just across the board. every to go just across the board. every government program just needs to get government program just needs to get government program just needs to get audited because we're seeing it in audited because we're seeing it in audited because we're seeing it in >> Medicare, SNAP, >> Medicare, SNAP, >> Medicare, SNAP, >> uh, housing, um, health insurance. So, >> uh, housing, um, health insurance. So, >> uh, housing, um, health insurance. So, it's like it's like it's like >> they haven't done it yet. Education. >> they haven't done it yet. Education. >> they haven't done it yet. Education. >> In this day and age, Drew, there is no >> In this day and age, Drew, there is no >> In this day and age, Drew, there is no excuse for every dollar that the federal excuse for every dollar that the federal excuse for every dollar that the federal government spends not to be tracked down government spends not to be tracked down government spends not to be tracked down to exactly who originated it, why they to exactly who originated it, why they to exactly who originated it, why they originated it, and where it went. originated it, and where it went. originated it, and where it went. Period. Full stop. End of story. Uh they Period. Full stop. End of story. Uh they Period. Full stop. End of story. Uh they were talking about this in the beginning were talking about this in the beginning were talking about this in the beginning of Trump's second term with Doge that of Trump's second term with Doge that of Trump's second term with Doge that one of the things Musk said that they one of the things Musk said that they one of the things Musk said that they put in place was they just made it put in place was they just made it put in place was they just made it mandatory the field for why is this mandatory the field for why is this mandatory the field for why is this money going out which was not mandatory money going out which was not mandatory money going out which was not mandatory in the first place which is pure in the first place which is pure in the first place which is pure insanity. We allow our government to get insanity. We allow our government to get insanity. We allow our government to get away with absolute outright theft fraud away with absolute outright theft fraud away with absolute outright theft fraud all while racking up $2 trillion a year all while racking up $2 trillion a year all while racking up $2 trillion a year in deficit spending that is driving the in deficit spending that is driving the in deficit spending that is driving the K-shaped economy. The very thing that K-shaped economy. The very thing that K-shaped economy. The very thing that people are furiously angry about that people are furiously angry about that people are furiously angry about that they keep saying is because of greedy they keep saying is because of greedy they keep saying is because of greedy business people or wealthy people that business people or wealthy people that business people or wealthy people that won't pay their fair share. Instead of won't pay their fair share. Instead of won't pay their fair share. Instead of going, why the [ __ ] are we spending $2 going, why the [ __ ] are we spending $2 going, why the [ __ ] are we spending $2 trillion more than we need to be trillion more than we need to be trillion more than we need to be spending, we need to balance the budget. spending, we need to balance the budget. spending, we need to balance the budget. And when we're allowing for this level And when we're allowing for this level And when we're allowing for this level of fraud and we're making people poor of fraud and we're making people poor of fraud and we're making people poor every day, it is so maddening. You want every day, it is so maddening. You want every day, it is so maddening. You want to talk about getting disheartened to talk about getting disheartened to talk about getting disheartened because you see the problems and you because you see the problems and you because you see the problems and you don't know what to do about them. I see don't know what to do about them. I see don't know what to do about them. I see this problem. I know exactly what to do this problem. I know exactly what to do this problem. I know exactly what to do and we're not doing it. And that is the and we're not doing it. And that is the and we're not doing it. And that is the wild thing. And by the way, not only are wild thing. And by the way, not only are wild thing. And by the way, not only are we not doing it, people are lying about we not doing it, people are lying about we not doing it, people are lying about it as fast as they can. They're lying it as fast as they can. They're lying it as fast as they can. They're lying about the cause of the problem. The about the cause of the problem. The about the cause of the problem. The politicians that are banging on are politicians that are banging on are politicians that are banging on are either, as always, there are two either, as always, there are two either, as always, there are two options. Dumb as [ __ ] or they're lying. options. Dumb as [ __ ] or they're lying. options. Dumb as [ __ ] or they're lying. Either one of those is terrible. So, Either one of those is terrible. So, Either one of those is terrible. So, anybody that's not saying that we need anybody that's not saying that we need anybody that's not saying that we need to have a balanced budget, and that to have a balanced budget, and that to have a balanced budget, and that includes basically everybody other than includes basically everybody other than includes basically everybody other than Thomas Massie, Rand Paul, uh, you got a Thomas Massie, Rand Paul, uh, you got a Thomas Massie, Rand Paul, uh, you got a problem. problem. problem. Uh, and then [laughter] Uh, and then [laughter] Uh, and then [laughter] so this story is kind of funny, too. I'm so this story is kind of funny, too. I'm so this story is kind of funny, too. I'm sorry. I'm I'm throwing a lot at you sorry. I'm I'm throwing a lot at you sorry. I'm I'm throwing a lot at you today because I just feel like there a today because I just feel like there a today because I just feel like there a lot happened this week. lot happened this week. lot happened this week. >> This one doesn't make you sad. This one >> This one doesn't make you sad. This one >> This one doesn't make you sad. This one makes me so sad. makes me so sad. makes me so sad. >> It does. But I'm proud of her. So, it's >> It does. But I'm proud of her. So, it's >> It does. But I'm proud of her. So, it's like like like >> cuz this took balls, but it just depends >> cuz this took balls, but it just depends >> cuz this took balls, but it just depends what her relationship is like with her. what her relationship is like with her. what her relationship is like with her. >> All right. Set it up so that people know >> All right. Set it up so that people know >> All right. Set it up so that people know what we're talking about. what we're talking about. what we're talking about. >> Breaking news. The daughter of US >> Breaking news. The daughter of US >> Breaking news. The daughter of US Republican Senator Jay Block said, Republican Senator Jay Block said, Republican Senator Jay Block said, "Israel pays money to my father and he "Israel pays money to my father and he "Israel pays money to my father and he spreads propaganda. I am deeply ashamed spreads propaganda. I am deeply ashamed spreads propaganda. I am deeply ashamed of this situation. I believe my father of this situation. I believe my father of this situation. I believe my father has sold his soul to the devil. I hope has sold his soul to the devil. I hope has sold his soul to the devil. I hope his career ends. his career ends. his career ends. >> So, my dad, a Republican state senator >> So, my dad, a Republican state senator >> So, my dad, a Republican state senator in New Mexico, just got back from his in New Mexico, just got back from his in New Mexico, just got back from his trip to Israel. Um, which was not like a trip to Israel. Um, which was not like a trip to Israel. Um, which was not like a personal vacation, by the way. It was personal vacation, by the way. It was personal vacation, by the way. It was him and a bunch of his other Republican him and a bunch of his other Republican him and a bunch of his other Republican cronies who got invited to Israel for cronies who got invited to Israel for cronies who got invited to Israel for what I can only assume was just like a a what I can only assume was just like a a what I can only assume was just like a a propaganda trip. So yeah, it looks like propaganda trip. So yeah, it looks like propaganda trip. So yeah, it looks like my dad and a bunch of other just like my dad and a bunch of other just like my dad and a bunch of other just like loser politicians from New Mexico went loser politicians from New Mexico went loser politicians from New Mexico went to politics. Man, th this is to politics. Man, th this is to politics. Man, th this is heartbreaking. I'm surprised you and I heartbreaking. I'm surprised you and I heartbreaking. I'm surprised you and I are far apart in this discuss. I mean, are far apart in this discuss. I mean, are far apart in this discuss. I mean, >> so I think we get it. >> so I think we get it. >> so I think we get it. >> Um, so >> Um, so >> Um, so value system. My value system is there value system. My value system is there value system. My value system is there has to be some integrity to the um units has to be some integrity to the um units has to be some integrity to the um units that you build in your life. that you build in your life. that you build in your life. >> Mh. >> Mh. >> Mh. >> And your the units you build at work are >> And your the units you build at work are >> And your the units you build at work are always going to be a little bit sus. Um always going to be a little bit sus. Um always going to be a little bit sus. Um the family unit though needs to be the family unit though needs to be the family unit though needs to be strong. strong. strong. >> Now her father could be a parent that is >> Now her father could be a parent that is >> Now her father could be a parent that is so bad that this is justified. And maybe so bad that this is justified. And maybe so bad that this is justified. And maybe as I look closer, I'll be like, "Okay, I as I look closer, I'll be like, "Okay, I as I look closer, I'll be like, "Okay, I get it. Given the things that he's done get it. Given the things that he's done get it. Given the things that he's done to her, there's no safety there. There's to her, there's no safety there. There's to her, there's no safety there. There's no unity in the house. It is what it no unity in the house. It is what it no unity in the house. It is what it is." But when I see just the trend where is." But when I see just the trend where is." But when I see just the trend where people feel a deeper allegiance to their people feel a deeper allegiance to their people feel a deeper allegiance to their followers than they feel to their followers than they feel to their followers than they feel to their family, that that is really distressing family, that that is really distressing family, that that is really distressing to me. And if she wants to uh herang her to me. And if she wants to uh herang her to me. And if she wants to uh herang her dad and go after him privately, if she dad and go after him privately, if she dad and go after him privately, if she wants to say publicly, listen, I'm not wants to say publicly, listen, I'm not wants to say publicly, listen, I'm not going to comment on my dad, but needless going to comment on my dad, but needless going to comment on my dad, but needless to say, we don't see everything the to say, we don't see everything the to say, we don't see everything the same. Got it. Understood. But to put same. Got it. Understood. But to put same. Got it. Understood. But to put your family on blast is really gross. I your family on blast is really gross. I your family on blast is really gross. I would be very curious to know if Dante, would be very curious to know if Dante, would be very curious to know if Dante, as in Dante's Inferno, um ever commented as in Dante's Inferno, um ever commented as in Dante's Inferno, um ever commented on this. I would be a little surprised on this. I would be a little surprised on this. I would be a little surprised if he didn't. If this doesn't fall into if he didn't. If this doesn't fall into if he didn't. If this doesn't fall into like his betrayal uh bucket, I I just like his betrayal uh bucket, I I just like his betrayal uh bucket, I I just really hate to see this. Um I wouldn't really hate to see this. Um I wouldn't really hate to see this. Um I wouldn't want to see parents putting their kids want to see parents putting their kids want to see parents putting their kids on blast. 50 Cent, I'm looking at you. on blast. 50 Cent, I'm looking at you. on blast. 50 Cent, I'm looking at you. Uh I think the way that 50 has handled Uh I think the way that 50 has handled Uh I think the way that 50 has handled his son, it's like that's your son, man. his son, it's like that's your son, man. his son, it's like that's your son, man. If you [ __ ] up when he was a kid, If you [ __ ] up when he was a kid, If you [ __ ] up when he was a kid, that's on you. that's on you. that's on you. >> And so, um as far as I can tell, >> And so, um as far as I can tell, >> And so, um as far as I can tell, the whole like Brad Pitt thing, like his the whole like Brad Pitt thing, like his the whole like Brad Pitt thing, like his kids completely distancing themsel from kids completely distancing themsel from kids completely distancing themsel from him, I'm going to guess he really [ __ ] him, I'm going to guess he really [ __ ] him, I'm going to guess he really [ __ ] something up. Um, but at least he something up. Um, but at least he something up. Um, but at least he doesn't exacerbate it by throwing his doesn't exacerbate it by throwing his doesn't exacerbate it by throwing his kids under the bus and he's just like, kids under the bus and he's just like, kids under the bus and he's just like, I'm here as their dad if they ever need I'm here as their dad if they ever need I'm here as their dad if they ever need me. Like that kind of thing. Like, yeah, me. Like that kind of thing. Like, yeah, me. Like that kind of thing. Like, yeah, I just I don't dig it. I don't dig it, I just I don't dig it. I don't dig it, I just I don't dig it. I don't dig it, man. And um it's becoming like a bigger man. And um it's becoming like a bigger man. And um it's becoming like a bigger thing. thing. thing. >> Yeah. I I I get not airing out dirty >> Yeah. I I I get not airing out dirty >> Yeah. I I I get not airing out dirty laundry. I get some things have to stay laundry. I get some things have to stay laundry. I get some things have to stay in the family. Um like I I I understand in the family. Um like I I I understand in the family. Um like I I I understand that. I think here I don't know their um that. I think here I don't know their um that. I think here I don't know their um relationship so I'm projecting 100% me relationship so I'm projecting 100% me relationship so I'm projecting 100% me and Lynn's relationship onto this and Lynn's relationship onto this and Lynn's relationship onto this situation and I'm like if Lynn had to situation and I'm like if Lynn had to situation and I'm like if Lynn had to get on Tik Tok and say I'm disappointed get on Tik Tok and say I'm disappointed get on Tik Tok and say I'm disappointed in my father for A B C D and E in my father for A B C D and E in my father for A B C D and E >> I know in my life there would have been >> I know in my life there would have been >> I know in my life there would have been so many other steps that failed that the so many other steps that failed that the so many other steps that failed that the fact that she's doing that now fact that she's doing that now fact that she's doing that now >> it's big enough deal that I need to kind >> it's big enough deal that I need to kind >> it's big enough deal that I need to kind of take a step back. of take a step back. of take a step back. get that. And listen, maybe as a parent, get that. And listen, maybe as a parent, get that. And listen, maybe as a parent, you're going to help me see something. you're going to help me see something. you're going to help me see something. But here's what I would say to that. But here's what I would say to that. But here's what I would say to that. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> she looks very young. I'm going to guess >> she looks very young. I'm going to guess >> she looks very young. I'm going to guess she's somewhere between mid- teens to she's somewhere between mid- teens to she's somewhere between mid- teens to early 20s. I just really can't tell, but early 20s. I just really can't tell, but early 20s. I just really can't tell, but let's say she's 15, 16. I don't know if let's say she's 15, 16. I don't know if let's say she's 15, 16. I don't know if it says anywhere there, but um it says anywhere there, but um it says anywhere there, but um >> the odds that in 10 years or 15 years >> the odds that in 10 years or 15 years >> the odds that in 10 years or 15 years that she feels the same about things in that she feels the same about things in that she feels the same about things in life as she does at this point is life as she does at this point is life as she does at this point is effectively zero. True. the world is effectively zero. True. the world is effectively zero. True. the world is going to open itself up to her. She's going to open itself up to her. She's going to open itself up to her. She's going to realize that things are far going to realize that things are far going to realize that things are far more complicated. Kids tend to go on a more complicated. Kids tend to go on a more complicated. Kids tend to go on a pretty knowable journey with their pretty knowable journey with their pretty knowable journey with their parents. Some parents are truly bad and parents. Some parents are truly bad and parents. Some parents are truly bad and maybe he is. maybe he is. maybe he is. >> But it goes from my parents are morons. >> But it goes from my parents are morons. >> But it goes from my parents are morons. They know nothing. And then in your They know nothing. And then in your They know nothing. And then in your early 20s, you start realizing, uhoh, early 20s, you start realizing, uhoh, early 20s, you start realizing, uhoh, that thing they warned me about is that thing they warned me about is that thing they warned me about is actually coming to fruition. My parents actually coming to fruition. My parents actually coming to fruition. My parents are a lot smarter than I thought. And I are a lot smarter than I thought. And I are a lot smarter than I thought. And I remember going on that journey. Now, in remember going on that journey. Now, in remember going on that journey. Now, in the end, I've taken a leadership role in the end, I've taken a leadership role in the end, I've taken a leadership role in my family. I did that quite young. And my family. I did that quite young. And my family. I did that quite young. And so even more than most I would say I was so even more than most I would say I was so even more than most I would say I was probably on to a lot of things early probably on to a lot of things early probably on to a lot of things early that my parents never quite understood that my parents never quite understood that my parents never quite understood and because of that my life has been as and because of that my life has been as and because of that my life has been as successful as it is. And so I can point successful as it is. And so I can point successful as it is. And so I can point to a lot of things I said as a kid and to a lot of things I said as a kid and to a lot of things I said as a kid and be like well those actually ended up be like well those actually ended up be like well those actually ended up being true. Uh, and still I point at my being true. Uh, and still I point at my being true. Uh, and still I point at my youth and go, "Thank God there was no youth and go, "Thank God there was no youth and go, "Thank God there was no video evidence." And thank God I was not video evidence." And thank God I was not video evidence." And thank God I was not able to, you know, say something stupid able to, you know, say something stupid able to, you know, say something stupid about my parents in a public forum about my parents in a public forum about my parents in a public forum because I'm sure that the temptation because I'm sure that the temptation because I'm sure that the temptation would have been there because I really would have been there because I really would have been there because I really felt that I was right. Vindicated on felt that I was right. Vindicated on felt that I was right. Vindicated on some things, an absolute [ __ ] on some things, an absolute [ __ ] on some things, an absolute [ __ ] on others. And so that kind of thing is others. And so that kind of thing is others. And so that kind of thing is just like just like just like >> I don't like to see it, man. And from a >> I don't like to see it, man. And from a >> I don't like to see it, man. And from a a parenting perspective, I'm not sure a parenting perspective, I'm not sure a parenting perspective, I'm not sure how much you can stop it other than you how much you can stop it other than you how much you can stop it other than you do your best to say, "Listen, do your best to say, "Listen, do your best to say, "Listen, >> we there is a this is exactly what I >> we there is a this is exactly what I >> we there is a this is exactly what I would try to do if I had kids, which I would try to do if I had kids, which I would try to do if I had kids, which I do not, but if I did, I would say, do not, but if I did, I would say, do not, but if I did, I would say, listen, the thing that does the most listen, the thing that does the most listen, the thing that does the most psychological damage is a friend. psychological damage is a friend. psychological damage is a friend. Somebody who you should be able to be Somebody who you should be able to be Somebody who you should be able to be close to, somebody that's in your life, close to, somebody that's in your life, close to, somebody that's in your life, somebody that you're doing something somebody that you're doing something somebody that you're doing something with, but they're actually your enemy. with, but they're actually your enemy. with, but they're actually your enemy. And I never want you guys to see me as And I never want you guys to see me as And I never want you guys to see me as your enemy. And I never want to see you your enemy. And I never want to see you your enemy. And I never want to see you as my enemy. And so I don't want to have as my enemy. And so I don't want to have as my enemy. And so I don't want to have to um pretend to be something that I'm to um pretend to be something that I'm to um pretend to be something that I'm not with you. It is inevitable that you not with you. It is inevitable that you not with you. It is inevitable that you will will will >> push back against me at some point. That >> push back against me at some point. That >> push back against me at some point. That that is how this all works. that is how this all works. that is how this all works. >> And part of that is you're going to >> And part of that is you're going to >> And part of that is you're going to think that I'm really stupid for a think that I'm really stupid for a think that I'm really stupid for a period of time. What I'm saying is in period of time. What I'm saying is in period of time. What I'm saying is in the Billou household, we do not light the Billou household, we do not light the Billou household, we do not light each other up on social media. We keep each other up on social media. We keep each other up on social media. We keep that here. If there's something you've that here. If there's something you've that here. If there's something you've got to say, you can say anything to me. got to say, you can say anything to me. got to say, you can say anything to me. You can tell me how wrong you think I You can tell me how wrong you think I You can tell me how wrong you think I am. All of that. Um, but we don't put am. All of that. Um, but we don't put am. All of that. Um, but we don't put each other on blast in a public forum. each other on blast in a public forum. each other on blast in a public forum. >> And you can go argue for your ideas. >> And you can go argue for your ideas. >> And you can go argue for your ideas. They can be diametrically opposed to They can be diametrically opposed to They can be diametrically opposed to mine. Just don't be pointing at me. mine. Just don't be pointing at me. mine. Just don't be pointing at me. Don't say anything behind the scenes. Don't say anything behind the scenes. Don't say anything behind the scenes. You know what I mean? Like, if she were You know what I mean? Like, if she were You know what I mean? Like, if she were out there and just lighting up all the out there and just lighting up all the out there and just lighting up all the causes and saying, "Israel is a mess causes and saying, "Israel is a mess causes and saying, "Israel is a mess while dad is campaigning for Israel." while dad is campaigning for Israel." while dad is campaigning for Israel." Cool. Love it. Not saying she needs to Cool. Love it. Not saying she needs to Cool. Love it. Not saying she needs to be silent. She needs to say what she be silent. She needs to say what she be silent. She needs to say what she believes. I'm all for it. But putting believes. I'm all for it. But putting believes. I'm all for it. But putting each other on blast, you become each other on blast, you become each other on blast, you become frenemies. And it really is frenemies. And it really is frenemies. And it really is psychologically destructive. One of the psychologically destructive. One of the psychologically destructive. One of the things that I look at, I hate to say it, things that I look at, I hate to say it, things that I look at, I hate to say it, but Lisa and I have commented about but Lisa and I have commented about but Lisa and I have commented about this. When we see stuff like this, we this. When we see stuff like this, we this. When we see stuff like this, we are like, "Yeah, glad I don't have kids. are like, "Yeah, glad I don't have kids. are like, "Yeah, glad I don't have kids. Dodge that bully." Dodge that bully." Dodge that bully." >> Yeah. Like I don't want to have to >> Yeah. Like I don't want to have to >> Yeah. Like I don't want to have to [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] think about because I have to think think about because I have to think think about because I have to think about that with employees, right? about that with employees, right? about that with employees, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Where it's like, oh, somebody gets >> Where it's like, oh, somebody gets >> Where it's like, oh, somebody gets disgruntled disgruntled disgruntled obviously. obviously. obviously. uh they then can run out and tell uh they then can run out and tell uh they then can run out and tell whatever narrative they want to tell. whatever narrative they want to tell. whatever narrative they want to tell. When you've had thousands of employees, When you've had thousands of employees, When you've had thousands of employees, like that becomes pretty real pretty like that becomes pretty real pretty like that becomes pretty real pretty fast. fast. fast. >> And so that's already an uncomfortable >> And so that's already an uncomfortable >> And so that's already an uncomfortable feeling where you have to be vulnerable feeling where you have to be vulnerable feeling where you have to be vulnerable and real if you want to actually lead and real if you want to actually lead and real if you want to actually lead people. people. people. >> But to have it with your own kids, >> But to have it with your own kids, >> But to have it with your own kids, >> yikes. That is a thing happening right >> yikes. That is a thing happening right >> yikes. That is a thing happening right now that I do not envy parents. now that I do not envy parents. now that I do not envy parents. >> Okay. And then cuz I want to just make >> Okay. And then cuz I want to just make >> Okay. And then cuz I want to just make some clarifying points to see if we kind some clarifying points to see if we kind some clarifying points to see if we kind of end up in the same place. I'm assum of end up in the same place. I'm assum of end up in the same place. I'm assum like the uh who was it? like the uh who was it? like the uh who was it? Beckham, the Beckham kids. Yes, Beckham, the Beckham kids. Yes, Beckham, the Beckham kids. Yes, >> that completely out of line. That's a >> that completely out of line. That's a >> that completely out of line. That's a money thing. I deserve entitlement, like money thing. I deserve entitlement, like money thing. I deserve entitlement, like all that stuff. Yes, I put that in a all that stuff. Yes, I put that in a all that stuff. Yes, I put that in a separate category. So, even some of the separate category. So, even some of the separate category. So, even some of the examples you pulled. examples you pulled. examples you pulled. >> Specifically, if there is something that >> Specifically, if there is something that >> Specifically, if there is something that he did maliciously, not just he went to he did maliciously, not just he went to he did maliciously, not just he went to Israel, came back, you went to Israel, Israel, came back, you went to Israel, Israel, came back, you went to Israel, you kissed the ring, now you're aside you kissed the ring, now you're aside you kissed the ring, now you're aside agent. Let's assume all those things are agent. Let's assume all those things are agent. Let's assume all those things are if she legitimately has a grievance. if she legitimately has a grievance. if she legitimately has a grievance. Hey, dad, you did this thing. He passed Hey, dad, you did this thing. He passed Hey, dad, you did this thing. He passed a law that's going to pollute all the a law that's going to pollute all the a law that's going to pollute all the water in New Mexico. I'm making this up. water in New Mexico. I'm making this up. water in New Mexico. I'm making this up. Allegedly, all that stuff, but Allegedly, all that stuff, but Allegedly, all that stuff, but hypothetically speaking, he has hypothetically speaking, he has hypothetically speaking, he has influence over a law that would actually influence over a law that would actually influence over a law that would actually hurt the environment at a grave cost. hurt the environment at a grave cost. hurt the environment at a grave cost. Certain people at a grave cost. Kick Certain people at a grave cost. Kick Certain people at a grave cost. Kick 2,000 people off their medical 2,000 people off their medical 2,000 people off their medical insurance. Something like that. insurance. Something like that. insurance. Something like that. Something measurable. She can see it Something measurable. She can see it Something measurable. She can see it like that. She brings it up to her dad. like that. She brings it up to her dad. like that. She brings it up to her dad. Her dad says, "You don't understand Her dad says, "You don't understand Her dad says, "You don't understand this. In 10 years, it'll make sense to this. In 10 years, it'll make sense to this. In 10 years, it'll make sense to you." In her frustration, she then goes you." In her frustration, she then goes you." In her frustration, she then goes on social media. At that point, I'm not on social media. At that point, I'm not on social media. At that point, I'm not like betrayal. You're the wor. It's like like betrayal. You're the wor. It's like like betrayal. You're the wor. It's like that would make me pause and have that that would make me pause and have that that would make me pause and have that self-reflection and then to that point self-reflection and then to that point self-reflection and then to that point we'll have that conversation and that's we'll have that conversation and that's we'll have that conversation and that's where it's like I wouldn't just start where it's like I wouldn't just start where it's like I wouldn't just start with anger at her. I would try to kind with anger at her. I would try to kind with anger at her. I would try to kind of mend that bridge. of mend that bridge. of mend that bridge. >> I think that's very smart. I think >> I think that's very smart. I think >> I think that's very smart. I think that's exactly how the father should that's exactly how the father should that's exactly how the father should play this. The way that I would look at play this. The way that I would look at play this. The way that I would look at this is okay let's say that I am a very this is okay let's say that I am a very this is okay let's say that I am a very political person. I'm raising a daughter political person. I'm raising a daughter political person. I'm raising a daughter who's going to be very political. Uh who's going to be very political. Uh who's going to be very political. Uh first of all she's female so she's first of all she's female so she's first of all she's female so she's likely to skew liberal. Second she's likely to skew liberal. Second she's likely to skew liberal. Second she's young so she's likely to skew liberal. young so she's likely to skew liberal. young so she's likely to skew liberal. So, as a dad, I'm like, "Okay, I'm a So, as a dad, I'm like, "Okay, I'm a So, as a dad, I'm like, "Okay, I'm a conservative guy. My daughter's likely conservative guy. My daughter's likely conservative guy. My daughter's likely to be doubly sort of not conservative." to be doubly sort of not conservative." to be doubly sort of not conservative." Um, and also maybe third, kids push Um, and also maybe third, kids push Um, and also maybe third, kids push back. They're whatever their parents back. They're whatever their parents back. They're whatever their parents aren't. aren't. aren't. >> And so, um, three strikes against me, >> And so, um, three strikes against me, >> And so, um, three strikes against me, she's likely to be liberal. So, cool. she's likely to be liberal. So, cool. she's likely to be liberal. So, cool. >> Now, what I would say, let's have some >> Now, what I would say, let's have some >> Now, what I would say, let's have some ground rules as you find your footing as ground rules as you find your footing as ground rules as you find your footing as a political commentator or just a voice a political commentator or just a voice a political commentator or just a voice to your generation, whatever. Let's do to your generation, whatever. Let's do to your generation, whatever. Let's do this. Let's imagine that we have two this. Let's imagine that we have two this. Let's imagine that we have two competing um press conferences held at competing um press conferences held at competing um press conferences held at the same time. the same time. the same time. >> I am from your opinion toxic waste >> I am from your opinion toxic waste >> I am from your opinion toxic waste dumping uh over here and you're going to dumping uh over here and you're going to dumping uh over here and you're going to fight for the environment. And now fight for the environment. And now fight for the environment. And now you're saying all the things, stats, you're saying all the things, stats, you're saying all the things, stats, figures, beliefs, ideology, all of that. figures, beliefs, ideology, all of that. figures, beliefs, ideology, all of that. And a reporter is inevitably going to And a reporter is inevitably going to And a reporter is inevitably going to ask you, well, your dad is over here. ask you, well, your dad is over here. ask you, well, your dad is over here. Isn't he the one that's driving all of Isn't he the one that's driving all of Isn't he the one that's driving all of this? Um if your messaging is something this? Um if your messaging is something this? Um if your messaging is something along the lines of, um I love my dad. We along the lines of, um I love my dad. We along the lines of, um I love my dad. We do not see eye to eye on this issue. I do not see eye to eye on this issue. I do not see eye to eye on this issue. I am eternally grateful for um what my am eternally grateful for um what my am eternally grateful for um what my parents have given me. They've raised parents have given me. They've raised parents have given me. They've raised me. Obviously, this assumes that this is me. Obviously, this assumes that this is me. Obviously, this assumes that this is not a completely dysfunctional, sinister not a completely dysfunctional, sinister not a completely dysfunctional, sinister person. person. person. >> Um and at the same time, we all need to >> Um and at the same time, we all need to >> Um and at the same time, we all need to fight for what we believe in. And so, um fight for what we believe in. And so, um fight for what we believe in. And so, um my dad needs to put the vision for my dad needs to put the vision for my dad needs to put the vision for America that he believes in forward. And America that he believes in forward. And America that he believes in forward. And I'm going to do the same thing. And so I'm going to do the same thing. And so I'm going to do the same thing. And so you're never going to find me speaking you're never going to find me speaking you're never going to find me speaking ill of my father, but you'll find me ill of my father, but you'll find me ill of my father, but you'll find me saying that I don't like certain saying that I don't like certain saying that I don't like certain policies that he has. I would look at policies that he has. I would look at policies that he has. I would look at that and go, "Yeah, this is how people that and go, "Yeah, this is how people that and go, "Yeah, this is how people should handle this." The father should should handle this." The father should should handle this." The father should be doing something very similar. Uh my be doing something very similar. Uh my be doing something very similar. Uh my daughter's an incredible young woman. I daughter's an incredible young woman. I daughter's an incredible young woman. I cannot wait to see what she becomes. I cannot wait to see what she becomes. I cannot wait to see what she becomes. I think over time, life is going to teach think over time, life is going to teach think over time, life is going to teach her different lessons, but everybody her different lessons, but everybody her different lessons, but everybody needs to fight for what they believe in. needs to fight for what they believe in. needs to fight for what they believe in. We trust the youth to come in and shake We trust the youth to come in and shake We trust the youth to come in and shake things up, which is exactly what my things up, which is exactly what my things up, which is exactly what my daughter's doing. I'm not going to daughter's doing. I'm not going to daughter's doing. I'm not going to abandon my principles. I always look at abandon my principles. I always look at abandon my principles. I always look at the arguments that my daughter puts the arguments that my daughter puts the arguments that my daughter puts forward. I'm very grateful to have forward. I'm very grateful to have forward. I'm very grateful to have somebody in my life that challenges me. somebody in my life that challenges me. somebody in my life that challenges me. I have nothing but love and respect for I have nothing but love and respect for I have nothing but love and respect for her for the political process. Now, her for the political process. Now, her for the political process. Now, look, I get we're not in that moment, look, I get we're not in that moment, look, I get we're not in that moment, but I do hold myself accountable to but I do hold myself accountable to but I do hold myself accountable to modeling those behaviors. modeling those behaviors. modeling those behaviors. >> Um because I think that they are so high >> Um because I think that they are so high >> Um because I think that they are so high utility. This is exactly what my wife utility. This is exactly what my wife utility. This is exactly what my wife and I do in our marriage. There are and I do in our marriage. There are and I do in our marriage. There are times where the things that I believe my times where the things that I believe my times where the things that I believe my wife thinks are crazy and the things wife thinks are crazy and the things wife thinks are crazy and the things that she believes I think are crazy. Um that she believes I think are crazy. Um that she believes I think are crazy. Um but nonetheless, I'm not going to get up but nonetheless, I'm not going to get up but nonetheless, I'm not going to get up and talk [ __ ] on my wife. My wife is the and talk [ __ ] on my wife. My wife is the and talk [ __ ] on my wife. My wife is the most extraordinary person that I know. most extraordinary person that I know. most extraordinary person that I know. So it's like So it's like So it's like >> so I think that's what I'm hearing like >> so I think that's what I'm hearing like >> so I think that's what I'm hearing like the subcontext is not necessarily that the subcontext is not necessarily that the subcontext is not necessarily that you have a differing opinion. It's not you have a differing opinion. It's not you have a differing opinion. It's not necessarily that you're quote unquote necessarily that you're quote unquote necessarily that you're quote unquote calling out my stance is you're talking calling out my stance is you're talking calling out my stance is you're talking about me like you're you're talking bad about me like you're you're talking bad about me like you're you're talking bad about your dad. You're talking bad about your dad. You're talking bad about your dad. You're talking bad >> she's like he sold his soul. These guys >> she's like he sold his soul. These guys >> she's like he sold his soul. These guys are stupid. Like that's where I'm like are stupid. Like that's where I'm like are stupid. Like that's where I'm like god damn. I don't have beef with her god damn. I don't have beef with her god damn. I don't have beef with her publicly disagreeing with her father in publicly disagreeing with her father in publicly disagreeing with her father in the same way I don't have a problem with the same way I don't have a problem with the same way I don't have a problem with my wife publicly disagreeing with me. my wife publicly disagreeing with me. my wife publicly disagreeing with me. >> Mhm. Um, it was a absolute mistake for >> Mhm. Um, it was a absolute mistake for >> Mhm. Um, it was a absolute mistake for her YouTube channel to interview me, but her YouTube channel to interview me, but her YouTube channel to interview me, but uh it was an awesome time as husband and uh it was an awesome time as husband and uh it was an awesome time as husband and wife to be able to discuss the most wife to be able to discuss the most wife to be able to discuss the most contentious issues in our marriage. Um, contentious issues in our marriage. Um, contentious issues in our marriage. Um, so those kinds of things. Yeah, if you so those kinds of things. Yeah, if you so those kinds of things. Yeah, if you can do it with respect, but that is not can do it with respect, but that is not can do it with respect, but that is not this. this. this. >> And then last thing, uh, April is like, >> And then last thing, uh, April is like, >> And then last thing, uh, April is like, how we're assuming that he cares about how we're assuming that he cares about how we're assuming that he cares about his daughter. What if he's just like a his daughter. What if he's just like a his daughter. What if he's just like a POS? My easy go-to like if he's a piece POS? My easy go-to like if he's a piece POS? My easy go-to like if he's a piece of [ __ ] that's what you get. If you of [ __ ] that's what you get. If you of [ __ ] that's what you get. If you would have been a better dad, you would would have been a better dad, you would would have been a better dad, you would have had a better daughter. So I to me have had a better daughter. So I to me have had a better daughter. So I to me all of this is void. If he's not in her all of this is void. If he's not in her all of this is void. If he's not in her life, if he's abusive, if he did life, if he's abusive, if he did life, if he's abusive, if he did anything that's and not just triggering, anything that's and not just triggering, anything that's and not just triggering, he makes me feel a type way, but like he makes me feel a type way, but like he makes me feel a type way, but like >> pathologically wasn't there. Abuse is >> pathologically wasn't there. Abuse is >> pathologically wasn't there. Abuse is not did like, you know, I mean, if not did like, you know, I mean, if not did like, you know, I mean, if there's anything measurable, actionable there's anything measurable, actionable there's anything measurable, actionable that we seen that he did that was wrong that we seen that he did that was wrong that we seen that he did that was wrong as a father, then by all means, you are as a father, then by all means, you are as a father, then by all means, you are now sewing those seeds that you planted. now sewing those seeds that you planted. now sewing those seeds that you planted. So you can't get mad at anybody but your So you can't get mad at anybody but your So you can't get mad at anybody but your >> Yeah. if they if they are a true enemy >> Yeah. if they if they are a true enemy >> Yeah. if they if they are a true enemy and it's not a friend of me and and it's not a friend of me and and it's not a friend of me and >> there there are certainly scenarios you >> there there are certainly scenarios you >> there there are certainly scenarios you could paint where I'd be like, "Yep, could paint where I'd be like, "Yep, could paint where I'd be like, "Yep, like you reap what you sew. I totally like you reap what you sew. I totally like you reap what you sew. I totally get it. I still don't love it." get it. I still don't love it." get it. I still don't love it." >> Uh as I would much rather see them >> Uh as I would much rather see them >> Uh as I would much rather see them handle this handle this handle this >> quietly in whatever way they need to >> quietly in whatever way they need to >> quietly in whatever way they need to handle that. Um but yeah, on that one handle that. Um but yeah, on that one handle that. Um but yeah, on that one I'd be like, "All right, listen. I get I'd be like, "All right, listen. I get I'd be like, "All right, listen. I get it." if if he was neglectful in like a it." if if he was neglectful in like a it." if if he was neglectful in like a true pathological, not just like my dad true pathological, not just like my dad true pathological, not just like my dad wasn't at my games um kind of way, but wasn't at my games um kind of way, but wasn't at my games um kind of way, but still it's not my favorite Yeah. still it's not my favorite Yeah. still it's not my favorite Yeah. >> thing to see. >> thing to see. >> thing to see. >> Um quick fact though, I have a family >> Um quick fact though, I have a family >> Um quick fact though, I have a family member who didn't grow up with a father member who didn't grow up with a father member who didn't grow up with a father and he's now in his 20s. He has a and he's now in his 20s. He has a and he's now in his 20s. He has a relationship with his sisters on his relationship with his sisters on his relationship with his sisters on his father's side. like he has other father's side. like he has other father's side. like he has other interactions in the family, but like his interactions in the family, but like his interactions in the family, but like his actual dad has a wife, like three or actual dad has a wife, like three or actual dad has a wife, like three or four kids, lives in a different state four kids, lives in a different state four kids, lives in a different state and they're like happy housewife and and they're like happy housewife and and they're like happy housewife and then all his like bastard children are then all his like bastard children are then all his like bastard children are now like a coalition together and all now like a coalition together and all now like a coalition together and all this other stuff. Long story short, we this other stuff. Long story short, we this other stuff. Long story short, we were talking on the phone and I was were talking on the phone and I was were talking on the phone and I was like, "Yeah, have you talked to him?" like, "Yeah, have you talked to him?" like, "Yeah, have you talked to him?" Cuz he was talking about him and his Cuz he was talking about him and his Cuz he was talking about him and his sisters are getting together about to do sisters are getting together about to do sisters are getting together about to do something. I was like, "Yeah, well, have something. I was like, "Yeah, well, have something. I was like, "Yeah, well, have you talked to him?" And he was like, you talked to him?" And he was like, you talked to him?" And he was like, "Nah, like whatever. He hates me." And I "Nah, like whatever. He hates me." And I "Nah, like whatever. He hates me." And I was like, "What do you mean?" He's like, was like, "What do you mean?" He's like, was like, "What do you mean?" He's like, "He doesn't talk to me. He hates me." "He doesn't talk to me. He hates me." "He doesn't talk to me. He hates me." And I was like I was about to like he And I was like I was about to like he And I was like I was about to like he doesn't hate you or he doesn't. And I doesn't hate you or he doesn't. And I doesn't hate you or he doesn't. And I was like, well, he's not here to give was like, well, he's not here to give was like, well, he's not here to give his argument in court, so that's like his argument in court, so that's like his argument in court, so that's like the default judgment. It's like if you the default judgment. It's like if you the default judgment. It's like if you get a ticket and don't show up, the get a ticket and don't show up, the get a ticket and don't show up, the court's going to be like, all right, court's going to be like, all right, court's going to be like, all right, well, I guess you were speeding next on well, I guess you were speeding next on well, I guess you were speeding next on the docket, right? the docket, right? the docket, right? >> So, I'm like, as much as I hate that >> So, I'm like, as much as I hate that >> So, I'm like, as much as I hate that that's his takeaway that he thinks he that's his takeaway that he thinks he that's his takeaway that he thinks he hates him, it's like, well, you weren't hates him, it's like, well, you weren't hates him, it's like, well, you weren't there to then disprove that notion. So, there to then disprove that notion. So, there to then disprove that notion. So, you can't get mad at what takeaway that you can't get mad at what takeaway that you can't get mad at what takeaway that person comes down to. So, that's kind of person comes down to. So, that's kind of person comes down to. So, that's kind of what I'm saying with this. Like if her what I'm saying with this. Like if her what I'm saying with this. Like if her dad did do something that as a dad you dad did do something that as a dad you dad did do something that as a dad you let like you let her down, you were let like you let her down, you were let like you let her down, you were absent. You weren't there. You can't get absent. You weren't there. You can't get absent. You weren't there. You can't get mad at how they respond to that trauma mad at how they respond to that trauma mad at how they respond to that trauma and how they work on themselves in order and how they work on themselves in order and how they work on themselves in order to live through it. It might be it might to live through it. It might be it might to live through it. It might be it might be bad. It might not be the way you want be bad. It might not be the way you want be bad. It might not be the way you want it to be, but you can't judge somebody it to be, but you can't judge somebody it to be, but you can't judge somebody else's healing when you cause that like else's healing when you cause that like else's healing when you cause that like wound. Does that make sense? wound. Does that make sense? wound. Does that make sense? >> It does. >> It does. >> It does. >> But no, give me give it back to me. Let >> But no, give me give it back to me. Let >> But no, give me give it back to me. Let me see how you me see how you me see how you >> I think right now we're in a very weird >> I think right now we're in a very weird >> I think right now we're in a very weird place as a society, as an American place as a society, as an American place as a society, as an American society, very specifically. I think that society, very specifically. I think that society, very specifically. I think that I don't know these people. So, your I don't know these people. So, your I don't know these people. So, your presentation could be precisely correct. presentation could be precisely correct. presentation could be precisely correct. >> But I do worry that we're becoming like >> But I do worry that we're becoming like >> But I do worry that we're becoming like a society that does not expect any a society that does not expect any a society that does not expect any resilience from themselves, that does resilience from themselves, that does resilience from themselves, that does not give any leeway. not give any leeway. not give any leeway. >> Um, listen, my dad was very busy when I >> Um, listen, my dad was very busy when I >> Um, listen, my dad was very busy when I was a kid. I will put that uh very was a kid. I will put that uh very was a kid. I will put that uh very gently. But when I speak to my dad, my gently. But when I speak to my dad, my gently. But when I speak to my dad, my actual overwhelming sense is one of actual overwhelming sense is one of actual overwhelming sense is one of gratitude. gratitude. gratitude. >> So my dad worked his ass off and >> So my dad worked his ass off and >> So my dad worked his ass off and obviously I see in myself that same obviously I see in myself that same obviously I see in myself that same drive, that same ambition. So I get why drive, that same ambition. So I get why drive, that same ambition. So I get why my dad poured himself into work. There my dad poured himself into work. There my dad poured himself into work. There were consequences. My mom and dad also were consequences. My mom and dad also were consequences. My mom and dad also had a bad marriage. And so to some had a bad marriage. And so to some had a bad marriage. And so to some extent, I think my dad did hide in his extent, I think my dad did hide in his extent, I think my dad did hide in his and my dad listens to the show, so he's and my dad listens to the show, so he's and my dad listens to the show, so he's probably going to hear this. I think probably going to hear this. I think probably going to hear this. I think that my dad did hide in his hobbies and that my dad did hide in his hobbies and that my dad did hide in his hobbies and I unfortunately he did invite me in. I I unfortunately he did invite me in. I I unfortunately he did invite me in. I absolutely hated every one of his absolutely hated every one of his absolutely hated every one of his hobbies uh barring movies which may hobbies uh barring movies which may hobbies uh barring movies which may explain a lot. And um so because of that explain a lot. And um so because of that explain a lot. And um so because of that my dad and I didn't spend a lot of time my dad and I didn't spend a lot of time my dad and I didn't spend a lot of time together when I was growing up but my together when I was growing up but my together when I was growing up but my dad did provide put food on the table. dad did provide put food on the table. dad did provide put food on the table. Um certainly made me feel loved like he Um certainly made me feel loved like he Um certainly made me feel loved like he wasn't there in the way that my mom was. wasn't there in the way that my mom was. wasn't there in the way that my mom was. So a lot of my memories from my So a lot of my memories from my So a lot of my memories from my childhood are of my mom like just coring childhood are of my mom like just coring childhood are of my mom like just coring my insane energy. Uh and so have huge my insane energy. Uh and so have huge my insane energy. Uh and so have huge gratitude towards my mom for that. gratitude towards my mom for that. gratitude towards my mom for that. >> Um so I could see somebody with a >> Um so I could see somebody with a >> Um so I could see somebody with a different wiring with a different different wiring with a different different wiring with a different mindset putting my dad on blast. And to mindset putting my dad on blast. And to mindset putting my dad on blast. And to me, especially now as I'm older, that me, especially now as I'm older, that me, especially now as I'm older, that seems very unfair. And I I don't think seems very unfair. And I I don't think seems very unfair. And I I don't think people all see this the same, but my dad people all see this the same, but my dad people all see this the same, but my dad stayed until literally 3 weeks after I stayed until literally 3 weeks after I stayed until literally 3 weeks after I as the youngest left for college that my as the youngest left for college that my as the youngest left for college that my dad bounced. Uh but for me, I had what I dad bounced. Uh but for me, I had what I dad bounced. Uh but for me, I had what I saw as a normal childhood. So I'm so saw as a normal childhood. So I'm so saw as a normal childhood. So I'm so grateful to my dad for doing that. So grateful to my dad for doing that. So grateful to my dad for doing that. So anyway, even in an imperfect situation anyway, even in an imperfect situation anyway, even in an imperfect situation where I think some people could read where I think some people could read where I think some people could read that and be like, "Hey, I'm putting dad that and be like, "Hey, I'm putting dad that and be like, "Hey, I'm putting dad on blast because he works so much." I'm on blast because he works so much." I'm on blast because he works so much." I'm just like that still I would take that just like that still I would take that just like that still I would take that up with dad figure out what's going on up with dad figure out what's going on up with dad figure out what's going on there. I'd give a lot more leeway. So there. I'd give a lot more leeway. So there. I'd give a lot more leeway. So that's me saying we're having a cultural that's me saying we're having a cultural that's me saying we're having a cultural moment where it's like moment where it's like moment where it's like >> male ambition is read in a really stupid >> male ambition is read in a really stupid >> male ambition is read in a really stupid way in my opinion way in my opinion way in my opinion >> where people are expecting men to take >> where people are expecting men to take >> where people are expecting men to take on a very feminine role of caretaking, on a very feminine role of caretaking, on a very feminine role of caretaking, looking after. I don't think men are looking after. I don't think men are looking after. I don't think men are wired for that. So the classic men are wired for that. So the classic men are wired for that. So the classic men are more into things than people. My dad was more into things than people. My dad was more into things than people. My dad was just more into cars and work and so he just more into cars and work and so he just more into cars and work and so he spent more time with cars and work, spent more time with cars and work, spent more time with cars and work, right? And so, um, I think that this right? And so, um, I think that this right? And so, um, I think that this moment in time is brought to you by an moment in time is brought to you by an moment in time is brought to you by an aberration that does not line up with aberration that does not line up with aberration that does not line up with our actual evolved psychology. And so, our actual evolved psychology. And so, our actual evolved psychology. And so, we're asking men to be something that on we're asking men to be something that on we're asking men to be something that on average they really aren't. and seeing average they really aren't. and seeing average they really aren't. and seeing the sort of I'm not even sure what to the sort of I'm not even sure what to the sort of I'm not even sure what to label the way that people speak, but label the way that people speak, but label the way that people speak, but when you sound like a psychotherapist when you sound like a psychotherapist when you sound like a psychotherapist and you're talking in those terms, which and you're talking in those terms, which and you're talking in those terms, which I know I can do 100%. Um, but I'm always I know I can do 100%. Um, but I'm always I know I can do 100%. Um, but I'm always like [laughter] a little careful. We like [laughter] a little careful. We like [laughter] a little careful. We still are people that have foibless and still are people that have foibless and still are people that have foibless and so we need to be able to fall back on, so we need to be able to fall back on, so we need to be able to fall back on, have some resilience, give people some have some resilience, give people some have some resilience, give people some grace, like accept nobody's going to be grace, like accept nobody's going to be grace, like accept nobody's going to be perfect. I think it was Aristotle that perfect. I think it was Aristotle that perfect. I think it was Aristotle that said the only impossible job is raising said the only impossible job is raising said the only impossible job is raising a child. And I think that that is a child. And I think that that is a child. And I think that that is accurate. And for kids to just reinforce accurate. And for kids to just reinforce accurate. And for kids to just reinforce their own trauma from the way that they their own trauma from the way that they their own trauma from the way that they were raised is not a wise idea. There's were raised is not a wise idea. There's were raised is not a wise idea. There's plenty of data coming out that shows if plenty of data coming out that shows if plenty of data coming out that shows if you ruminate on your traumas, they you ruminate on your traumas, they you ruminate on your traumas, they become worse, not better. And so I think become worse, not better. And so I think become worse, not better. And so I think people would be a lot better off even if people would be a lot better off even if people would be a lot better off even if you have to say, "My parents were so you have to say, "My parents were so you have to say, "My parents were so toxic. I'm never going to talk to them toxic. I'm never going to talk to them toxic. I'm never going to talk to them again." But like it is what it is. again." But like it is what it is. again." But like it is what it is. whether you want to take the um I'm sad whether you want to take the um I'm sad whether you want to take the um I'm sad that that's how their psychology ended that that's how their psychology ended that that's how their psychology ended up and that they couldn't get out from up and that they couldn't get out from up and that they couldn't get out from under that long enough to take care of a under that long enough to take care of a under that long enough to take care of a kid, but I've got you know some empathy kid, but I've got you know some empathy kid, but I've got you know some empathy for that some people just get wired in a for that some people just get wired in a for that some people just get wired in a gnarly way or gnarly way or gnarly way or >> right like it's listen I don't know if >> right like it's listen I don't know if >> right like it's listen I don't know if other people just don't make mistakes in other people just don't make mistakes in other people just don't make mistakes in their life. I make enough mistakes in my their life. I make enough mistakes in my their life. I make enough mistakes in my life that I'm like, "God damn, I think life that I'm like, "God damn, I think life that I'm like, "God damn, I think I'm high level at navigating myself." I'm high level at navigating myself." I'm high level at navigating myself." And if I really am high level and I make And if I really am high level and I make And if I really am high level and I make mistakes, like everybody that isn't mistakes, like everybody that isn't mistakes, like everybody that isn't hasn't been, you know, given by the hasn't been, you know, given by the hasn't been, you know, given by the coder of the matrix these skills of coder of the matrix these skills of coder of the matrix these skills of navigating their own emotions, they're navigating their own emotions, they're navigating their own emotions, they're going to be in a much worse position. going to be in a much worse position. going to be in a much worse position. >> Uh, so giving grace seems >> Uh, so giving grace seems >> Uh, so giving grace seems >> we got some spiciness in the chat after >> we got some spiciness in the chat after >> we got some spiciness in the chat after the men aren't caretakers thing. Here we the men aren't caretakers thing. Here we the men aren't caretakers thing. Here we go. go. go. >> Do you think that it's just a different >> Do you think that it's just a different >> Do you think that it's just a different expectation? Because I also had alpha expectation? Because I also had alpha expectation? Because I also had alpha dad. Same thing. Like my dad has taught dad. Same thing. Like my dad has taught dad. Same thing. Like my dad has taught me so much about my car. He taught me so me so much about my car. He taught me so me so much about my car. He taught me so much about like work ethic. I've never much about like work ethic. I've never much about like work ethic. I've never heard my dad complain. And he used to heard my dad complain. And he used to heard my dad complain. And he used to work 12-hour days every day my entire work 12-hour days every day my entire work 12-hour days every day my entire child like childhood. Like literally child like childhood. Like literally child like childhood. Like literally like 5 to 5 every day. I don't think like 5 to 5 every day. I don't think like 5 to 5 every day. I don't think I've seen my dad take a sick day before. I've seen my dad take a sick day before. I've seen my dad take a sick day before. >> But he we weren't going out in the back >> But he we weren't going out in the back >> But he we weren't going out in the back throwing the ball and playing catch. But throwing the ball and playing catch. But throwing the ball and playing catch. But it's like I can't I don't judge him for it's like I can't I don't judge him for it's like I can't I don't judge him for that because I think in the 40s like that because I think in the 40s like that because I think in the 40s like when he was like his had his comeuppets when he was like his had his comeuppets when he was like his had his comeuppets it wasn't about how good of a caretaker it wasn't about how good of a caretaker it wasn't about how good of a caretaker you are. It's like my job is to make you are. It's like my job is to make you are. It's like my job is to make sure you have guys have everything you sure you have guys have everything you sure you have guys have everything you need and you get further than I am. My need and you get further than I am. My need and you get further than I am. My dad's highest education equivalent is dad's highest education equivalent is dad's highest education equivalent is eighth grade. The fact that I graduated eighth grade. The fact that I graduated eighth grade. The fact that I graduated high school it's like high school it's like high school it's like >> like you you won you did more than me. >> like you you won you did more than me. >> like you you won you did more than me. Like you know what I mean? So it's like Like you know what I mean? So it's like Like you know what I mean? So it's like I don't judge them for that. And I think I don't judge them for that. And I think I don't judge them for that. And I think now in 2026 with now we're having more now in 2026 with now we're having more now in 2026 with now we're having more access to information more naturally access to information more naturally access to information more naturally more emotionally intelligent now men more emotionally intelligent now men more emotionally intelligent now men have realizing okay not every guy just have realizing okay not every guy just have realizing okay not every guy just wants to turn a wrench some guys are wants to turn a wrench some guys are wants to turn a wrench some guys are like okay I understand the deficits I like okay I understand the deficits I like okay I understand the deficits I can now become a better caretaker stuff can now become a better caretaker stuff can now become a better caretaker stuff like that or do you still think it's like that or do you still think it's like that or do you still think it's just innativeness caretaking is not just innativeness caretaking is not just innativeness caretaking is not something that men do in mass something that men do in mass something that men do in mass >> I think the the right way to say it is >> I think the the right way to say it is >> I think the the right way to say it is we have a nature that requires nurture we have a nature that requires nurture we have a nature that requires nurture so our brains are developed in such a so our brains are developed in such a so our brains are developed in such a way that we are uh we have a nature so way that we are uh we have a nature so way that we are uh we have a nature so we are a certain way. Men are different we are a certain way. Men are different we are a certain way. Men are different than women and then you layer on top of than women and then you layer on top of than women and then you layer on top of that the social reinforcements and you that the social reinforcements and you that the social reinforcements and you get something very specific. But they've get something very specific. But they've get something very specific. But they've done so many countless studies on this done so many countless studies on this done so many countless studies on this and when kids are way too young to have and when kids are way too young to have and when kids are way too young to have already been inculturated. Boys show a already been inculturated. Boys show a already been inculturated. Boys show a preference for different type of toys preference for different type of toys preference for different type of toys than girls. And it just the the blank than girls. And it just the the blank than girls. And it just the the blank slate hypothesis has no data backing it slate hypothesis has no data backing it slate hypothesis has no data backing it up whatsoever. It is a fool's errand. up whatsoever. It is a fool's errand. up whatsoever. It is a fool's errand. Anybody that says that is a [ __ ] and Anybody that says that is a [ __ ] and Anybody that says that is a [ __ ] and you can ignore them categorically. So you can ignore them categorically. So you can ignore them categorically. So now anybody that tells you that all men now anybody that tells you that all men now anybody that tells you that all men are the same and all women are the same, are the same and all women are the same, are the same and all women are the same, they are also a fool and you can ignore they are also a fool and you can ignore they are also a fool and you can ignore them. But once you realize roughly we're them. But once you realize roughly we're them. But once you realize roughly we're 50% hardwired, so we have that nature 50% hardwired, so we have that nature 50% hardwired, so we have that nature and there's obviously variation within and there's obviously variation within and there's obviously variation within that. But when you layer on top of that that. But when you layer on top of that that. But when you layer on top of that cultural reinforcement, it won't take if cultural reinforcement, it won't take if cultural reinforcement, it won't take if it's not in alignment with the wiring it's not in alignment with the wiring it's not in alignment with the wiring that's already there. But there is a that's already there. But there is a that's already there. But there is a high degree of flexibility. Now, high degree of flexibility. Now, high degree of flexibility. Now, ironically, the flexibility exists on ironically, the flexibility exists on ironically, the flexibility exists on different dimensions across men and different dimensions across men and different dimensions across men and women, which I find utterly fascinating, women, which I find utterly fascinating, women, which I find utterly fascinating, and we could really fractal for a very and we could really fractal for a very and we could really fractal for a very long time about um the the flexibility long time about um the the flexibility long time about um the the flexibility that adult women show in their that adult women show in their that adult women show in their sexuality, which men don't. Men get sexuality, which men don't. Men get sexuality, which men don't. Men get locked in. It's like at 14, it's like locked in. It's like at 14, it's like locked in. It's like at 14, it's like whatever a guy finds interesting at 14, whatever a guy finds interesting at 14, whatever a guy finds interesting at 14, that's it. Game over. Uh and women show that's it. Game over. Uh and women show that's it. Game over. Uh and women show a little bit more flexibility. Utterly a little bit more flexibility. Utterly a little bit more flexibility. Utterly fascinating. Um, so anyway, there's a fascinating. Um, so anyway, there's a fascinating. Um, so anyway, there's a bunch of conversations that we could be bunch of conversations that we could be bunch of conversations that we could be had there, but it is a very complicated had there, but it is a very complicated had there, but it is a very complicated uh interplay of okay, male, female, uh interplay of okay, male, female, uh interplay of okay, male, female, where are you at then on you're a guy, where are you at then on you're a guy, where are you at then on you're a guy, but now on the spectrum of masculine to but now on the spectrum of masculine to but now on the spectrum of masculine to feminine, where do you fall? Like I am feminine, where do you fall? Like I am feminine, where do you fall? Like I am very much on a masculine um scale, but I very much on a masculine um scale, but I very much on a masculine um scale, but I fall more towards a feminine temperament fall more towards a feminine temperament fall more towards a feminine temperament for a guy. So I have uh I'm in touch for a guy. So I have uh I'm in touch for a guy. So I have uh I'm in touch with my emotions but at the same time with my emotions but at the same time with my emotions but at the same time demand that I never uh dance to the tune demand that I never uh dance to the tune demand that I never uh dance to the tune of my emotions. So it is everybody has of my emotions. So it is everybody has of my emotions. So it is everybody has to figure out sort of where they are on to figure out sort of where they are on to figure out sort of where they are on that spectrum. But to act like we don't that spectrum. But to act like we don't that spectrum. But to act like we don't have a nature that there is no have a nature that there is no have a nature that there is no difference between men and women is difference between men and women is difference between men and women is silly. And I'm happy like if the chat silly. And I'm happy like if the chat silly. And I'm happy like if the chat wants to keep fighting uh I'm happy to wants to keep fighting uh I'm happy to wants to keep fighting uh I'm happy to do it. do it. do it. >> I I think this is the perfect segue to >> I I think this is the perfect segue to >> I I think this is the perfect segue to how men and women see their political uh how men and women see their political uh how men and women see their political uh views. how and how it has changed views. how and how it has changed views. how and how it has changed through time. So, interesting chart. through time. So, interesting chart. through time. So, interesting chart. Young women have become more liberal. Young women have become more liberal. Young women have become more liberal. Young men, not so much. Young men, not so much. Young men, not so much. >> Yeah, you're going to want to look at >> Yeah, you're going to want to look at >> Yeah, you're going to want to look at your phone or your screen if you can your phone or your screen if you can your phone or your screen if you can right now because when you look at the right now because when you look at the right now because when you look at the graph and you see that men rock in this graph and you see that men rock in this graph and you see that men rock in this really tight band uh and then women have really tight band uh and then women have really tight band uh and then women have just been on this escalatory path over just been on this escalatory path over just been on this escalatory path over the last 10 years. It's pretty wild. the last 10 years. It's pretty wild. the last 10 years. It's pretty wild. Yeah, it the gender ideology gap has Yeah, it the gender ideology gap has Yeah, it the gender ideology gap has more than doubled from 12 points in 1999 more than doubled from 12 points in 1999 more than doubled from 12 points in 1999 to 23 points in 2023. to 23 points in 2023. to 23 points in 2023. >> Yes, young American women are now five >> Yes, young American women are now five >> Yes, young American women are now five times more ideologically separated from times more ideologically separated from times more ideologically separated from young American men than they were young American men than they were young American men than they were roughly 25 years ago. Now, you guys have roughly 25 years ago. Now, you guys have roughly 25 years ago. Now, you guys have heard me talk about this before. Dynamic heard me talk about this before. Dynamic heard me talk about this before. Dynamic tension between the sexes is good. It's tension between the sexes is good. It's tension between the sexes is good. It's great. We must want it. But we have great. We must want it. But we have great. We must want it. But we have reached something that is truly reached something that is truly reached something that is truly unbalanced in a way that is not healthy. unbalanced in a way that is not healthy. unbalanced in a way that is not healthy. Women are racing away from men Women are racing away from men Women are racing away from men ideologically and the data that we're ideologically and the data that we're ideologically and the data that we're talking about here shows that men have talking about here shows that men have talking about here shows that men have stayed almost perfectly consistent. stayed almost perfectly consistent. stayed almost perfectly consistent. We've got a total net swing of one point We've got a total net swing of one point We've got a total net swing of one point whereas women are racing to the left. whereas women are racing to the left. whereas women are racing to the left. That's according to new Gallup data from That's according to new Gallup data from That's according to new Gallup data from the poll social series that tracks the poll social series that tracks the poll social series that tracks political identity from 1999 through political identity from 1999 through political identity from 1999 through 2023. In 99, the net ideology gap 2023. In 99, the net ideology gap 2023. In 99, the net ideology gap between 18 to 29year-old women and men between 18 to 29year-old women and men between 18 to 29year-old women and men was 12 points. Okay, that's manageable. was 12 points. Okay, that's manageable. was 12 points. Okay, that's manageable. Today it's 23 points. It's almost Today it's 23 points. It's almost Today it's 23 points. It's almost double. But men are just holding steady. double. But men are just holding steady. double. But men are just holding steady. In 99, 24% of young men called In 99, 24% of young men called In 99, 24% of young men called themselves liberal. By 2023, that number themselves liberal. By 2023, that number themselves liberal. By 2023, that number was a nearly static 25%. So only one was a nearly static 25%. So only one was a nearly static 25%. So only one percentage point move in 24 years. The percentage point move in 24 years. The percentage point move in 24 years. The trend though breaks open in 2027. The trend though breaks open in 2027. The trend though breaks open in 2027. The year Trump took office obviously in year Trump took office obviously in year Trump took office obviously in 2026. And you've got the Me Too moment 2026. And you've got the Me Too moment 2026. And you've got the Me Too moment going viral. The gap crossed 10 points going viral. The gap crossed 10 points going viral. The gap crossed 10 points and has not stopped widening since. The and has not stopped widening since. The and has not stopped widening since. The fall of Roie Wade, by the way, in 2022 fall of Roie Wade, by the way, in 2022 fall of Roie Wade, by the way, in 2022 accelerated it. In a 2021 survey, 71% of accelerated it. In a 2021 survey, 71% of accelerated it. In a 2021 survey, 71% of Democrat uh Democratic college students Democrat uh Democratic college students Democrat uh Democratic college students said they wouldn't date someone who said they wouldn't date someone who said they wouldn't date someone who voted the other way. Brookings reports voted the other way. Brookings reports voted the other way. Brookings reports that nearly half of men, 18 to 29, now that nearly half of men, 18 to 29, now that nearly half of men, 18 to 29, now say they face discrimination. That's the say they face discrimination. That's the say they face discrimination. That's the highest of any male age group. Now, I highest of any male age group. Now, I highest of any male age group. Now, I would hope that you guys would expect would hope that you guys would expect would hope that you guys would expect all of this in a populist moment, but all of this in a populist moment, but all of this in a populist moment, but right now, young Americans are just right now, young Americans are just right now, young Americans are just sorting by tribe. They date, marry, and sorting by tribe. They date, marry, and sorting by tribe. They date, marry, and befriend by ideology. And at a time befriend by ideology. And at a time befriend by ideology. And at a time where we're all so divided, this is a where we're all so divided, this is a where we're all so divided, this is a recipe for disaster as it shoves recipe for disaster as it shoves recipe for disaster as it shoves everyone down an echochamber pipeline everyone down an echochamber pipeline everyone down an echochamber pipeline and limits everyone's pool of options and limits everyone's pool of options and limits everyone's pool of options down to just those who think the same as down to just those who think the same as down to just those who think the same as they do. And that to me is they do. And that to me is they do. And that to me is extraordinarily dangerous as we look at extraordinarily dangerous as we look at extraordinarily dangerous as we look at some of the demographic challenges that some of the demographic challenges that some of the demographic challenges that we have as America and also just your we have as America and also just your we have as America and also just your well-being. Your well-being is going to well-being. Your well-being is going to well-being. Your well-being is going to be so much better if you're sharing this be so much better if you're sharing this be so much better if you're sharing this life with somebody. Not the least of life with somebody. Not the least of life with somebody. Not the least of which because left to their own devices, which because left to their own devices, which because left to their own devices, you've got men are going to do just men you've got men are going to do just men you've got men are going to do just men things and women are going to do just things and women are going to do just things and women are going to do just women things. Whereas when we put them women things. Whereas when we put them women things. Whereas when we put them together, there's this dynamic tension together, there's this dynamic tension together, there's this dynamic tension of men trying to gain sexual access to of men trying to gain sexual access to of men trying to gain sexual access to women. It's not just this like women. It's not just this like women. It's not just this like evolutionarily or at least the evolutionarily or at least the evolutionarily or at least the experience layer isn't, but it's I think experience layer isn't, but it's I think experience layer isn't, but it's I think an important way to talk about it. Men an important way to talk about it. Men an important way to talk about it. Men in trying to gain sexual access to women in trying to gain sexual access to women in trying to gain sexual access to women are forced to raise the bar. And so it are forced to raise the bar. And so it are forced to raise the bar. And so it is very interesting what happens when is very interesting what happens when is very interesting what happens when women have raised the bar for themselves women have raised the bar for themselves women have raised the bar for themselves so much that it's no longer a question so much that it's no longer a question so much that it's no longer a question of can I partner with a man and get him of can I partner with a man and get him of can I partner with a man and get him to raise his bar up up up. Instead, I'm to raise his bar up up up. Instead, I'm to raise his bar up up up. Instead, I'm just going to do it myself. And now, just going to do it myself. And now, just going to do it myself. And now, because women have a tendency towards because women have a tendency towards because women have a tendency towards hypergamy to date over a peer or up, hypergamy to date over a peer or up, hypergamy to date over a peer or up, somebody who's achieved more than they somebody who's achieved more than they somebody who's achieved more than they have, have, have, if they're super high on that scale, now if they're super high on that scale, now if they're super high on that scale, now there's nobody for them to peer with or there's nobody for them to peer with or there's nobody for them to peer with or go up. It becomes a very, very, very go up. It becomes a very, very, very go up. It becomes a very, very, very small pool of people. And so, it's small pool of people. And so, it's small pool of people. And so, it's creating wild distortions in the psyche creating wild distortions in the psyche creating wild distortions in the psyche of people in the West. It's pretty of people in the West. It's pretty of people in the West. It's pretty crazy. There are consequences to choices crazy. There are consequences to choices crazy. There are consequences to choices that we make as a society whether people that we make as a society whether people that we make as a society whether people want or not. want or not. want or not. >> Isn't this correlated to education >> Isn't this correlated to education >> Isn't this correlated to education because like women are more educated and because like women are more educated and because like women are more educated and higher education tend to be more like higher education tend to be more like higher education tend to be more like >> well if you want them to stop having >> well if you want them to stop having >> well if you want them to stop having kids get them educated correlation but kids get them educated correlation but kids get them educated correlation but it it really is true. But I think the it it really is true. But I think the it it really is true. But I think the one of the biggest things that can't be one of the biggest things that can't be one of the biggest things that can't be overlooked is the pill because now women overlooked is the pill because now women overlooked is the pill because now women can have sex without getting pregnant can have sex without getting pregnant can have sex without getting pregnant and so you don't have to be as and so you don't have to be as and so you don't have to be as thoughtful. You be like, "No, this guy thoughtful. You be like, "No, this guy thoughtful. You be like, "No, this guy will be fun for a minute." And then you will be fun for a minute." And then you will be fun for a minute." And then you put yourself in that situation where put yourself in that situation where put yourself in that situation where you're no longer a sexual gatekeeper. you're no longer a sexual gatekeeper. you're no longer a sexual gatekeeper. >> And without if men either can get easy >> And without if men either can get easy >> And without if men either can get easy access to women sexually or no access at access to women sexually or no access at access to women sexually or no access at all, then they just eject out of the all, then they just eject out of the all, then they just eject out of the system. And I think from an evolutionary system. And I think from an evolutionary system. And I think from an evolutionary perspective, because people don't like perspective, because people don't like perspective, because people don't like to talk about it, women being the sexual to talk about it, women being the sexual to talk about it, women being the sexual gatekeepers and going, "Oh, if you want gatekeepers and going, "Oh, if you want gatekeepers and going, "Oh, if you want to have sex with me, you got to jump to have sex with me, you got to jump to have sex with me, you got to jump over this bar." Um, men start working on over this bar." Um, men start working on over this bar." Um, men start working on their vertical jump pretty fast. And so their vertical jump pretty fast. And so their vertical jump pretty fast. And so that dynamic has worked for hundreds of that dynamic has worked for hundreds of that dynamic has worked for hundreds of thousands, millions of years of thousands, millions of years of thousands, millions of years of evolution. [clears throat] So it's um evolution. [clears throat] So it's um evolution. [clears throat] So it's um it's a dynamic that we have broken it's a dynamic that we have broken it's a dynamic that we have broken and we are paying a cost. Now we may go and we are paying a cost. Now we may go and we are paying a cost. Now we may go that cost is well worth paying. Great. that cost is well worth paying. Great. that cost is well worth paying. Great. But we're paying a cost. But we're paying a cost. But we're paying a cost. >> There's a couple things on the table >> There's a couple things on the table >> There's a couple things on the table right now. Um whether it's women had act right now. Um whether it's women had act right now. Um whether it's women had act didn't get access to their own bank didn't get access to their own bank didn't get access to their own bank accounts till like the 80s. There's the accounts till like the 80s. There's the accounts till like the 80s. There's the women are out educating men. I think women are out educating men. I think women are out educating men. I think like 6040 at this point or something like 6040 at this point or something like 6040 at this point or something like that. U there's the pill. like that. U there's the pill. like that. U there's the pill. >> Is it >> Is it >> Is it >> the summation of all these things? Is >> the summation of all these things? Is >> the summation of all these things? Is there one thing I don't want to say that there one thing I don't want to say that there one thing I don't want to say that if we take away quote unquote that it if we take away quote unquote that it if we take away quote unquote that it might balance the scales a little bit? might balance the scales a little bit? might balance the scales a little bit? >> It's just all a trade-off. So I if I >> It's just all a trade-off. So I if I >> It's just all a trade-off. So I if I were uh in back in the dating pool, were uh in back in the dating pool, were uh in back in the dating pool, >> if I were a guy, I would say, "Okay, >> if I were a guy, I would say, "Okay, >> if I were a guy, I would say, "Okay, listen. Whether or not you decide to listen. Whether or not you decide to listen. Whether or not you decide to pursue a woman, that's totally on you. pursue a woman, that's totally on you. pursue a woman, that's totally on you. I'll make my argument for why I think I'll make my argument for why I think I'll make my argument for why I think your life would be better if you do. But your life would be better if you do. But your life would be better if you do. But even if you're not going to, you can even if you're not going to, you can even if you're not going to, you can have control of your own life. And I'm have control of your own life. And I'm have control of your own life. And I'm going to try to teach them all the same going to try to teach them all the same going to try to teach them all the same lessons over here about lessons over here about lessons over here about self-improvement, about how skills have self-improvement, about how skills have self-improvement, about how skills have utility, that you can grow more utility, that you can grow more utility, that you can grow more powerful, and try to bring out all the powerful, and try to bring out all the powerful, and try to bring out all the competitive instincts, even if it's not competitive instincts, even if it's not competitive instincts, even if it's not aimed at um impressing a woman. aimed at um impressing a woman. aimed at um impressing a woman. >> Cool. Your life will be better. Even if >> Cool. Your life will be better. Even if >> Cool. Your life will be better. Even if you end up being single, if you're on you end up being single, if you're on you end up being single, if you're on that path, there's an algorithm that that path, there's an algorithm that that path, there's an algorithm that runs in your brain that wants to see you runs in your brain that wants to see you runs in your brain that wants to see you make progress. Tony Robbins has said, make progress. Tony Robbins has said, make progress. Tony Robbins has said, and I think he's right, that um progress and I think he's right, that um progress and I think he's right, that um progress is a foundational pillar to human is a foundational pillar to human is a foundational pillar to human happiness. That if you're not making happiness. That if you're not making happiness. That if you're not making progress, no matter what, even if you're progress, no matter what, even if you're progress, no matter what, even if you're already wealthy, there will be a sense already wealthy, there will be a sense already wealthy, there will be a sense of unease. Like you want to be getting of unease. Like you want to be getting of unease. Like you want to be getting better at something. better at something. better at something. >> I think about that in my own life. I >> I think about that in my own life. I >> I think about that in my own life. I game development, like what? Like we're game development, like what? Like we're game development, like what? Like we're this tiny ass developer, but I'm getting this tiny ass developer, but I'm getting this tiny ass developer, but I'm getting better at it, and the game is making better at it, and the game is making better at it, and the game is making progress, and I'm getting better at progress, and I'm getting better at progress, and I'm getting better at doing that thing. And so I have this doing that thing. And so I have this doing that thing. And so I have this incredible outlet uh for that algorithm incredible outlet uh for that algorithm incredible outlet uh for that algorithm in my brain saying, "You need to be in my brain saying, "You need to be in my brain saying, "You need to be improving." Mhm. improving." Mhm. improving." Mhm. >> Um, so I think people need to account >> Um, so I think people need to account >> Um, so I think people need to account for that. Women on the other hand, I for that. Women on the other hand, I for that. Women on the other hand, I would be saying something very similar would be saying something very similar would be saying something very similar like you need to have the life that you like you need to have the life that you like you need to have the life that you want. You just need to be very careful want. You just need to be very careful want. You just need to be very careful to make sure that you're playing the to make sure that you're playing the to make sure that you're playing the game you want and not allowing a game you want and not allowing a game you want and not allowing a masculine frame of reference to be masculine frame of reference to be masculine frame of reference to be pulled over your eyes. So figure out pulled over your eyes. So figure out pulled over your eyes. So figure out what are the things that light you up. what are the things that light you up. what are the things that light you up. Don't feel like that you need to um make Don't feel like that you need to um make Don't feel like that you need to um make career your number one focus. It can be career your number one focus. It can be career your number one focus. It can be and there's a really beautiful outcome and there's a really beautiful outcome and there's a really beautiful outcome that can come from that, but you need to that can come from that, but you need to that can come from that, but you need to be very thoughtful. And this goes back be very thoughtful. And this goes back be very thoughtful. And this goes back into um how I meme'd over what I'm about into um how I meme'd over what I'm about into um how I meme'd over what I'm about to say again, but it really is true. So to say again, but it really is true. So to say again, but it really is true. So I'll keep repeating it uh which is that I'll keep repeating it uh which is that I'll keep repeating it uh which is that and of course this will get clipped out and of course this will get clipped out and of course this will get clipped out of context. The context is there are of context. The context is there are of context. The context is there are algorithms in your brain that will push algorithms in your brain that will push algorithms in your brain that will push you in given directions. Women are you in given directions. Women are you in given directions. Women are getting pushed in the direction of getting pushed in the direction of getting pushed in the direction of having a child. And so there's going to having a child. And so there's going to having a child. And so there's going to be a tremendous evolutionary pressure on be a tremendous evolutionary pressure on be a tremendous evolutionary pressure on you to do that. And if you don't, there you to do that. And if you don't, there you to do that. And if you don't, there will be some weird longing in your life. will be some weird longing in your life. will be some weird longing in your life. Now, you can address that weird longing Now, you can address that weird longing Now, you can address that weird longing by having a meaningful contribution to by having a meaningful contribution to by having a meaningful contribution to the group in some way. Could be the group in some way. Could be the group in some way. Could be philanthropy. It could be tutoring. It philanthropy. It could be tutoring. It philanthropy. It could be tutoring. It could be um like Lisa gets a big part of could be um like Lisa gets a big part of could be um like Lisa gets a big part of that out of specifically helping young that out of specifically helping young that out of specifically helping young women. Like, so she's got this algorithm women. Like, so she's got this algorithm women. Like, so she's got this algorithm that's clearly pushing her to want to that's clearly pushing her to want to that's clearly pushing her to want to help people. And there's just something help people. And there's just something help people. And there's just something about the siren call of the hard things about the siren call of the hard things about the siren call of the hard things that she went through as a teenager that she went through as a teenager that she went through as a teenager wanting specifically to help girls in wanting specifically to help girls in wanting specifically to help girls in that period. And to make her light up that period. And to make her light up that period. And to make her light up like you need only talk about that, like you need only talk about that, like you need only talk about that, focus on that. Now, that is her dealing focus on that. Now, that is her dealing focus on that. Now, that is her dealing with not having a child. She's just not with not having a child. She's just not with not having a child. She's just not weird about talking about it. She's weird about talking about it. She's weird about talking about it. She's like, I get it. If I'm not going to have like, I get it. If I'm not going to have like, I get it. If I'm not going to have a kid, I better have something that a kid, I better have something that a kid, I better have something that addresses that thing. And my wife is addresses that thing. And my wife is addresses that thing. And my wife is like super career oriented, wants a like super career oriented, wants a like super career oriented, wants a career, is very clear that she doesn't career, is very clear that she doesn't career, is very clear that she doesn't want kids, but nonetheless understands, want kids, but nonetheless understands, want kids, but nonetheless understands, oh, this really is a thing. Like I oh, this really is a thing. Like I oh, this really is a thing. Like I really do. And maybe she has less of a really do. And maybe she has less of a really do. And maybe she has less of a push than the average woman because uh push than the average woman because uh push than the average woman because uh my wife, though very decidedly female, my wife, though very decidedly female, my wife, though very decidedly female, is has a slightly more masculine is has a slightly more masculine is has a slightly more masculine temperament. So that has both of us temperament. So that has both of us temperament. So that has both of us leading towards the middle, which is leading towards the middle, which is leading towards the middle, which is part of why we get along so well. But in part of why we get along so well. But in part of why we get along so well. But in all of that, she understands, "Oh, I all of that, she understands, "Oh, I all of that, she understands, "Oh, I can't just go chill on a beach, sip my can't just go chill on a beach, sip my can't just go chill on a beach, sip my ties, uh, you know, and say, I'm so glad ties, uh, you know, and say, I'm so glad ties, uh, you know, and say, I'm so glad I can daydream because I don't have I can daydream because I don't have I can daydream because I don't have kids." She understands that's not the kids." She understands that's not the kids." She understands that's not the game. You have to have meaning and game. You have to have meaning and game. You have to have meaning and purpose. You've got to be focused on purpose. You've got to be focused on purpose. You've got to be focused on that because of those algorithms running that because of those algorithms running that because of those algorithms running in your mind. So again, if you're not in your mind. So again, if you're not in your mind. So again, if you're not going to have kids, you better make sure going to have kids, you better make sure going to have kids, you better make sure that you have something in your life that you have something in your life that you have something in your life that you care enough about that it will that you care enough about that it will that you care enough about that it will deal with the unease, the anxiety, the deal with the unease, the anxiety, the deal with the unease, the anxiety, the sense of emptiness that you will feel if sense of emptiness that you will feel if sense of emptiness that you will feel if you don't have that. So evolution gets you don't have that. So evolution gets you don't have that. So evolution gets its way, man, whether we want it to or its way, man, whether we want it to or its way, man, whether we want it to or not. And it creates these internal not. And it creates these internal not. And it creates these internal intrinsic desires within us. And we can intrinsic desires within us. And we can intrinsic desires within us. And we can as a society, we can nudge people like as a society, we can nudge people like as a society, we can nudge people like we can give women so many other options we can give women so many other options we can give women so many other options that a huge number of them decide not to that a huge number of them decide not to that a huge number of them decide not to have kids. But also, there was a study have kids. But also, there was a study have kids. But also, there was a study done not too long ago that showed the done not too long ago that showed the done not too long ago that showed the most unhappy people in America are most unhappy people in America are most unhappy people in America are female partners in a law firm. female partners in a law firm. female partners in a law firm. And now I'm speculating as to why, but And now I'm speculating as to why, but And now I'm speculating as to why, but my gut instinct is it's a hyper my gut instinct is it's a hyper my gut instinct is it's a hyper masculine environment because it's all masculine environment because it's all masculine environment because it's all about being argumentative, which women about being argumentative, which women about being argumentative, which women are more consensus driven. So, you're are more consensus driven. So, you're are more consensus driven. So, you're putting them into a hyper masculine putting them into a hyper masculine putting them into a hyper masculine field that's run by guys and it's so field that's run by guys and it's so field that's run by guys and it's so demanding from a time perspective that demanding from a time perspective that demanding from a time perspective that the odds that you're able to have kids the odds that you're able to have kids the odds that you're able to have kids are low and if you do have kids, you'd are low and if you do have kids, you'd are low and if you do have kids, you'd be able to spend as much time as you be able to spend as much time as you be able to spend as much time as you want with them is also low. And so, at want with them is also low. And so, at want with them is also low. And so, at some point, everybody pursuing success some point, everybody pursuing success some point, everybody pursuing success will ask themselves the question to what will ask themselves the question to what will ask themselves the question to what end? end? end? >> Why am I doing this? And early in my >> Why am I doing this? And early in my >> Why am I doing this? And early in my career, it was always just I want to career, it was always just I want to career, it was always just I want to build uh an entertainment company. build uh an entertainment company. build uh an entertainment company. I didn't think about why I wanted an I didn't think about why I wanted an I didn't think about why I wanted an entertainment company. Now I've gotten entertainment company. Now I've gotten entertainment company. Now I've gotten to the point in my life where it's only to the point in my life where it's only to the point in my life where it's only because of the why that I keep pursuing because of the why that I keep pursuing because of the why that I keep pursuing it. And so I'm just saying everybody's it. And so I'm just saying everybody's it. And so I'm just saying everybody's going to have to contend with the why. going to have to contend with the why. going to have to contend with the why. >> Having kids, instant answer. See this >> Having kids, instant answer. See this >> Having kids, instant answer. See this kid forward. Your brain's like, "Ah, it kid forward. Your brain's like, "Ah, it kid forward. Your brain's like, "Ah, it will give you all kinds of other will give you all kinds of other will give you all kinds of other problems. All kinds. The fear of raising problems. All kinds. The fear of raising problems. All kinds. The fear of raising the kid, the amount of time that they the kid, the amount of time that they the kid, the amount of time that they suck away from you. you really are suck away from you. you really are suck away from you. you really are passing on your life force to them. I'm passing on your life force to them. I'm passing on your life force to them. I'm not saying that doesn't come without its not saying that doesn't come without its not saying that doesn't come without its own anxieties, but that sense of like I own anxieties, but that sense of like I own anxieties, but that sense of like I know what my mission is. By doing it know what my mission is. By doing it know what my mission is. By doing it well, I'm contributing very meaningful well, I'm contributing very meaningful well, I'm contributing very meaningful to the group. I'm doing something that's to the group. I'm doing something that's to the group. I'm doing something that's beyond myself. I'm getting out of my own beyond myself. I'm getting out of my own beyond myself. I'm getting out of my own head. I'm living for somebody else. All head. I'm living for somebody else. All head. I'm living for somebody else. All things that the algorithms want us to things that the algorithms want us to things that the algorithms want us to do, meaning the internal evolutionary do, meaning the internal evolutionary do, meaning the internal evolutionary algorithms. Um, and then we have one algorithms. Um, and then we have one algorithms. Um, and then we have one more in the chat. This is from Mark, I more in the chat. This is from Mark, I more in the chat. This is from Mark, I believe his name is. Yes. Big business believe his name is. Yes. Big business believe his name is. Yes. Big business is more of the issue. The family unit is more of the issue. The family unit is more of the issue. The family unit was broken around the industrial was broken around the industrial was broken around the industrial revolution when the men left their sons revolution when the men left their sons revolution when the men left their sons to work in factories instead of teaching to work in factories instead of teaching to work in factories instead of teaching them their trade. I understand directly them their trade. I understand directly them their trade. I understand directly what he's saying. I'm going to put what he's saying. I'm going to put what he's saying. I'm going to put another cherry on top of that. What say another cherry on top of that. What say another cherry on top of that. What say you about some of the societal you about some of the societal you about some of the societal narratives that have caused this narratives that have caused this narratives that have caused this fraction in men versus women. Whether fraction in men versus women. Whether fraction in men versus women. Whether it's feminism to go and have your own it's feminism to go and have your own it's feminism to go and have your own things causing two different households things causing two different households things causing two different households to pay the same bills, whether it's the to pay the same bills, whether it's the to pay the same bills, whether it's the pressure on society and family that as pressure on society and family that as pressure on society and family that as soon as your kid turns 18, you got to soon as your kid turns 18, you got to soon as your kid turns 18, you got to kick him out the house. all these other kick him out the house. all these other kick him out the house. all these other societal pushes that meant that made societal pushes that meant that made societal pushes that meant that made more independent children which has now more independent children which has now more independent children which has now led to independent men and women who led to independent men and women who led to independent men and women who don't necessarily coales as much as they don't necessarily coales as much as they don't necessarily coales as much as they used to. used to. used to. >> Well, so I think the the thing that Mark >> Well, so I think the the thing that Mark >> Well, so I think the the thing that Mark said in the chat I would challenge and I said in the chat I would challenge and I said in the chat I would challenge and I would ask him at what period in society would ask him at what period in society would ask him at what period in society did he think that we were doing it well? did he think that we were doing it well? did he think that we were doing it well? Um because there are some crazy thing Um because there are some crazy thing Um because there are some crazy thing like if you want to ruin your day, go do like if you want to ruin your day, go do like if you want to ruin your day, go do research on why were Romans and research on why were Romans and research on why were Romans and Athenians so notorious for men having Athenians so notorious for men having Athenians so notorious for men having sex with young men? Like say what? Like sex with young men? Like say what? Like sex with young men? Like say what? Like how does that become a thing? And I I how does that become a thing? And I I how does that become a thing? And I I don't advise doing it, Drew. It is don't advise doing it, Drew. It is don't advise doing it, Drew. It is [laughter] it is a deeply distressing [laughter] it is a deeply distressing [laughter] it is a deeply distressing answer. Um, and that's where I'm like, m answer. Um, and that's where I'm like, m answer. Um, and that's where I'm like, m like you could maybe go all the way back like you could maybe go all the way back like you could maybe go all the way back to tribal stuff, but even then like you to tribal stuff, but even then like you to tribal stuff, but even then like you were just trying to protect your group were just trying to protect your group were just trying to protect your group from being raped by the next group. I from being raped by the next group. I from being raped by the next group. I mean, it's just it is a long and sorted mean, it's just it is a long and sorted mean, it's just it is a long and sorted history. I I'm going to laugh. Oh, history. I I'm going to laugh. Oh, history. I I'm going to laugh. Oh, you're headed down. Drew's uh I don't you're headed down. Drew's uh I don't you're headed down. Drew's uh I don't know if he's broadcasting this, but know if he's broadcasting this, but know if he's broadcasting this, but >> I am. [laughter] >> I am. [laughter] >> I am. [laughter] >> Should I Should I not? >> Should I Should I not? >> Should I Should I not? >> I mean, it gets wild, dude. It gets >> I mean, it gets wild, dude. It gets >> I mean, it gets wild, dude. It gets wild. So, uh it is a very um careful wild. So, uh it is a very um careful wild. So, uh it is a very um careful thing. the relationships between the thing. the relationships between the thing. the relationships between the sexes to um be done in a way that a sexes to um be done in a way that a sexes to um be done in a way that a modern audience would feel morally modern audience would feel morally modern audience would feel morally justified in doing. Um and at the same justified in doing. Um and at the same justified in doing. Um and at the same time, some of the moral cleanup that time, some of the moral cleanup that time, some of the moral cleanup that we've done has come at a cost of we've done has come at a cost of we've done has come at a cost of societal cohesion. And so you would have societal cohesion. And so you would have societal cohesion. And so you would have a very hard time saying that the moral a very hard time saying that the moral a very hard time saying that the moral side of this doesn't matter and side of this doesn't matter and side of this doesn't matter and therefore let's just go back to um you therefore let's just go back to um you therefore let's just go back to um you know some mythical period where know some mythical period where know some mythical period where everything was great. I don't think everything was great. I don't think everything was great. I don't think there ever was. I think it's just it's there ever was. I think it's just it's there ever was. I think it's just it's always tradeoffs and right now I think always tradeoffs and right now I think always tradeoffs and right now I think we're making way better tradeoffs but we're making way better tradeoffs but we're making way better tradeoffs but some of the trade-offs scare me in terms some of the trade-offs scare me in terms some of the trade-offs scare me in terms of why this moment will be temporary. of why this moment will be temporary. of why this moment will be temporary. Like I'll make a prediction barring AI. Like I'll make a prediction barring AI. Like I'll make a prediction barring AI. AI changes everything. So I'm merely AI changes everything. So I'm merely AI changes everything. So I'm merely trying to speak to trajectory, not what trying to speak to trajectory, not what trying to speak to trajectory, not what I actually think will play out. But I actually think will play out. But I actually think will play out. But purely from a trajectory standpoint, the purely from a trajectory standpoint, the purely from a trajectory standpoint, the way that we're going now, you get mouse way that we're going now, you get mouse way that we're going now, you get mouse utopia and you get like this super weird utopia and you get like this super weird utopia and you get like this super weird thing where everybody becomes so me thing where everybody becomes so me thing where everybody becomes so me focused focused focused >> that um the colonies completely >> that um the colonies completely >> that um the colonies completely collapse. And so they'll get replaced by collapse. And so they'll get replaced by collapse. And so they'll get replaced by whatever group does not do that. And whatever group does not do that. And whatever group does not do that. And right now you need only look at right now you need only look at right now you need only look at successful um population growth. And successful um population growth. And successful um population growth. And that comes down to hyperreligious groups that comes down to hyperreligious groups that comes down to hyperreligious groups that uh basically sequester female that uh basically sequester female that uh basically sequester female opportunity to make sure that they have opportunity to make sure that they have opportunity to make sure that they have kids. Now, I'll leave them unnamed. I kids. Now, I'll leave them unnamed. I kids. Now, I'll leave them unnamed. I think everybody knows where we're headed think everybody knows where we're headed think everybody knows where we're headed here. Um, so yeah, I don't know that here. Um, so yeah, I don't know that here. Um, so yeah, I don't know that people want that outcome either. So, but people want that outcome either. So, but people want that outcome either. So, but it's all trade-offs, man. it's all trade-offs, man. it's all trade-offs, man. >> I feel like I still don't have an answer >> I feel like I still don't have an answer >> I feel like I still don't have an answer about why the about why the about why the >> Well, you it would take you a while if >> Well, you it would take you a while if >> Well, you it would take you a while if you want me to speedrun it. God, do I you want me to speedrun it. God, do I you want me to speedrun it. God, do I want to speedrun this? Um, okay. The want to speedrun this? Um, okay. The want to speedrun this? Um, okay. The speed run is that in an era where there speed run is that in an era where there speed run is that in an era where there is no um birth control, >> modern audiences will have a hard time >> modern audiences will have a hard time with this, but when the average life with this, but when the average life with this, but when the average life expectancy is 30 years old, you are expectancy is 30 years old, you are expectancy is 30 years old, you are having a midlife crisis at 15. At 15, having a midlife crisis at 15. At 15, having a midlife crisis at 15. At 15, you've probably been married for a year, you've probably been married for a year, you've probably been married for a year, two or three to a much older man. P.S. two or three to a much older man. P.S. two or three to a much older man. P.S. I'm sad to report. uh and having babies I'm sad to report. uh and having babies I'm sad to report. uh and having babies to a modern audience that's like oh my to a modern audience that's like oh my to a modern audience that's like oh my god. god. god. >> So what happens in a society where >> So what happens in a society where >> So what happens in a society where you're like we've got to separate men you're like we've got to separate men you're like we've got to separate men and women because they just will knock and women because they just will knock and women because they just will knock each other up like [ __ ] crazy. And each other up like [ __ ] crazy. And each other up like [ __ ] crazy. And the only way to pass wealth down is to the only way to pass wealth down is to the only way to pass wealth down is to know who is your kid and who's not your know who is your kid and who's not your know who is your kid and who's not your kid and to keep these relationships kid and to keep these relationships kid and to keep these relationships tight. Remember marriage started largely tight. Remember marriage started largely tight. Remember marriage started largely as an economic way to pass wealth down. as an economic way to pass wealth down. as an economic way to pass wealth down. And when you start spreading wealth out And when you start spreading wealth out And when you start spreading wealth out too much it becomes a problem. So you too much it becomes a problem. So you too much it becomes a problem. So you say all these bastard kids like no no no say all these bastard kids like no no no say all these bastard kids like no no no no just there's one official kid that no just there's one official kid that no just there's one official kid that that kid gets all the money. [snorts] that kid gets all the money. [snorts] that kid gets all the money. [snorts] And so you some cultures these two in And so you some cultures these two in And so you some cultures these two in particular chose to separate men and particular chose to separate men and particular chose to separate men and women when they were young and they women when they were young and they women when they were young and they would only have them marry say in their would only have them marry say in their would only have them marry say in their for women late teens early 20s for men for women late teens early 20s for men for women late teens early 20s for men in their 30s. But now imagine you're a in their 30s. But now imagine you're a in their 30s. But now imagine you're a 16-year-old and you want to have sex. 16-year-old and you want to have sex. 16-year-old and you want to have sex. And so their solution was the prison And so their solution was the prison And so their solution was the prison solution was [ __ ] the guys. And so but solution was [ __ ] the guys. And so but solution was [ __ ] the guys. And so but bro, like okay, we're hardwired. Tom bro, like okay, we're hardwired. Tom bro, like okay, we're hardwired. Tom just said that you can only like do so just said that you can only like do so just said that you can only like do so much. So what's the so much? You go much. So what's the so much? You go much. So what's the so much? You go after guys that look feminine. And who after guys that look feminine. And who after guys that look feminine. And who are the guys that look feminine? Young are the guys that look feminine? Young are the guys that look feminine? Young people. It's so gross, dude. I hate people. It's so gross, dude. I hate people. It's so gross, dude. I hate everything about this. But nonetheless, everything about this. But nonetheless, everything about this. But nonetheless, unfortunately, your research will lead unfortunately, your research will lead unfortunately, your research will lead you to that conclusion. And so this is you to that conclusion. And so this is you to that conclusion. And so this is Pedarasti and I'm just like god damn Pedarasti and I'm just like god damn Pedarasti and I'm just like god damn like when you start reading about the um like when you start reading about the um like when you start reading about the um this is Sparta the Spartans, okay? We this is Sparta the Spartans, okay? We this is Sparta the Spartans, okay? We think of them as the hardest core think of them as the hardest core think of them as the hardest core [ __ ] ever. One of the problems [ __ ] ever. One of the problems [ __ ] ever. One of the problems they had was the men would be sleeping they had was the men would be sleeping they had was the men would be sleeping with each other so much they'd be like, with each other so much they'd be like, with each other so much they'd be like, "Bro, you're 18. You've got to take a "Bro, you're 18. You've got to take a "Bro, you're 18. You've got to take a wife now. You cannot keep [ __ ] your wife now. You cannot keep [ __ ] your wife now. You cannot keep [ __ ] your like war buddies." And so it was like like war buddies." And so it was like like war buddies." And so it was like that that becomes a problem. It's that that becomes a problem. It's that that becomes a problem. It's >> it's crazy that like the toughest army >> it's crazy that like the toughest army >> it's crazy that like the toughest army was just out here each other was just out here each other was just out here each other >> ever. They [laughter] were the most >> ever. They [laughter] were the most >> ever. They [laughter] were the most hardcore gangster [ __ ] of all hardcore gangster [ __ ] of all hardcore gangster [ __ ] of all time time time >> chasing each other booty >> chasing each other booty >> chasing each other booty >> and they were still like, "Bro, this guy >> and they were still like, "Bro, this guy >> and they were still like, "Bro, this guy just won't stop [ __ ] the other guys." just won't stop [ __ ] the other guys." just won't stop [ __ ] the other guys." Like, this is wild. We've got to get him Like, this is wild. We've got to get him Like, this is wild. We've got to get him to take women seriously. to take women seriously. to take women seriously. >> 300 was propaganda. They didn't had none >> 300 was propaganda. They didn't had none >> 300 was propaganda. They didn't had none of the sex scenes at 300 [laughter] of the sex scenes at 300 [laughter] of the sex scenes at 300 [laughter] >> propaganda. What's happening, >> propaganda. What's happening, >> propaganda. What's happening, >> dude? It's wild. It's wild. So there >> dude? It's wild. It's wild. So there >> dude? It's wild. It's wild. So there there is all of this stuff is the human there is all of this stuff is the human there is all of this stuff is the human when viewed as animal is so distressing. when viewed as animal is so distressing. when viewed as animal is so distressing. So we put a lot of layers on society and So we put a lot of layers on society and So we put a lot of layers on society and we say well this is how we really are we say well this is how we really are we say well this is how we really are and it's like not really. and it's like not really. and it's like not really. >> So it's it's all trade-offs. I I don't >> So it's it's all trade-offs. I I don't >> So it's it's all trade-offs. I I don't want to make the trade-offs [laughter] want to make the trade-offs [laughter] want to make the trade-offs [laughter] that this part was made. I will tell you that this part was made. I will tell you that this part was made. I will tell you that right now. Uh so I'm perfectly that right now. Uh so I'm perfectly that right now. Uh so I'm perfectly happy. I think it is wise to give women happy. I think it is wise to give women happy. I think it is wise to give women every opportunity in the known universe. every opportunity in the known universe. every opportunity in the known universe. But we do need to educate them in terms But we do need to educate them in terms But we do need to educate them in terms of like, hey, here are the tendencies of like, hey, here are the tendencies of like, hey, here are the tendencies and um in different phases of your life, and um in different phases of your life, and um in different phases of your life, you're going to feel very differently. you're going to feel very differently. you're going to feel very differently. So, as you get older, um especially if So, as you get older, um especially if So, as you get older, um especially if you don't have a strong partnership with you don't have a strong partnership with you don't have a strong partnership with your spouse, your spouse, your spouse, uh you're going to be like, "Where are uh you're going to be like, "Where are uh you're going to be like, "Where are my kids?" And that impulse will be my kids?" And that impulse will be my kids?" And that impulse will be strong. So, anyway, just be careful. strong. So, anyway, just be careful. strong. So, anyway, just be careful. >> Also, you said earlier about how like >> Also, you said earlier about how like >> Also, you said earlier about how like senior year after you graduated, like senior year after you graduated, like senior year after you graduated, like your parents ended up getting divorced. your parents ended up getting divorced. your parents ended up getting divorced. I remember senior year, like that summer I remember senior year, like that summer I remember senior year, like that summer going into college, divorce hit like six going into college, divorce hit like six going into college, divorce hit like six of my like friends. Like it was like, of my like friends. Like it was like, of my like friends. Like it was like, "Yep, last one out the house. All right, "Yep, last one out the house. All right, "Yep, last one out the house. All right, cool." Like so many people were like, cool." Like so many people were like, cool." Like so many people were like, "All right, we're done now. Wrap it up." "All right, we're done now. Wrap it up." "All right, we're done now. Wrap it up." And then just like dissolve their And then just like dissolve their And then just like dissolve their marriage. It's crazy. marriage. It's crazy. marriage. It's crazy. >> I mean, shout out to all the people that >> I mean, shout out to all the people that >> I mean, shout out to all the people that stay together for the kids. Like I stay together for the kids. Like I stay together for the kids. Like I really do respect it. really do respect it. really do respect it. >> Trade-offs. Um, we got one more super >> Trade-offs. Um, we got one more super >> Trade-offs. Um, we got one more super chat. Shout out to Tyler Glib Gilb. Um, chat. Shout out to Tyler Glib Gilb. Um, chat. Shout out to Tyler Glib Gilb. Um, what do you think will be the what do you think will be the what do you think will be the consequences of Spirit Airline closing? consequences of Spirit Airline closing? consequences of Spirit Airline closing? probably little to nothing at this probably little to nothing at this probably little to nothing at this point. I mean, those people will lose point. I mean, those people will lose point. I mean, those people will lose their job and that's never fun. their job and that's never fun. their job and that's never fun. Shareholders will lose their money. Shareholders will lose their money. Shareholders will lose their money. That's never fun. Um, but if there's a That's never fun. Um, but if there's a That's never fun. Um, but if there's a real opportunity in the market, then real opportunity in the market, then real opportunity in the market, then we'll innovate our way to the other side we'll innovate our way to the other side we'll innovate our way to the other side of this. I have a bad feeling um that a of this. I have a bad feeling um that a of this. I have a bad feeling um that a big part of this is we have needed the big part of this is we have needed the big part of this is we have needed the airline industry has not innovated airline industry has not innovated airline industry has not innovated almost at all for like 50 years. And almost at all for like 50 years. And almost at all for like 50 years. And we've got to get the government out. we've got to get the government out. we've got to get the government out. We've got to let people fail. And We've got to let people fail. And We've got to let people fail. And eventually, I think um AI complicates eventually, I think um AI complicates eventually, I think um AI complicates all of this. So please know when I make all of this. So please know when I make all of this. So please know when I make prognostications like this for prognostications like this for prognostications like this for simplicity sake I'm talking trajectory simplicity sake I'm talking trajectory simplicity sake I'm talking trajectory not what will probably actually be not what will probably actually be not what will probably actually be confused by AI but um the airlines need confused by AI but um the airlines need confused by AI but um the airlines need to innovate the only way that's going to to innovate the only way that's going to to innovate the only way that's going to happen is if they start losing customers happen is if they start losing customers happen is if they start losing customers because everything becomes too expensive because everything becomes too expensive because everything becomes too expensive and then they're going to be forced to and then they're going to be forced to and then they're going to be forced to innovate. So the cost of oil is actually innovate. So the cost of oil is actually innovate. So the cost of oil is actually putting a shock on a system that's putting a shock on a system that's putting a shock on a system that's probably way too fragile. And so they'll probably way too fragile. And so they'll probably way too fragile. And so they'll go under and somebody like Elon Musk go under and somebody like Elon Musk go under and somebody like Elon Musk will go, "This really needed to be a will go, "This really needed to be a will go, "This really needed to be a suborbital problem all along. And now suborbital problem all along. And now suborbital problem all along. And now that we have reusable rockets, you're that we have reusable rockets, you're that we have reusable rockets, you're going to be able to get to London in I'm going to be able to get to London in I'm going to be able to get to London in I'm not joking, like 45 minutes um from LA." not joking, like 45 minutes um from LA." not joking, like 45 minutes um from LA." So that's where I think all of this is So that's where I think all of this is So that's where I think all of this is headed. But if the government keeps headed. But if the government keeps headed. But if the government keeps propping up these zombie industries, propping up these zombie industries, propping up these zombie industries, it's just never going to happen. There it's just never going to happen. There it's just never going to happen. There won't be enough pain. You need the pain won't be enough pain. You need the pain won't be enough pain. You need the pain for the innovation to be worth the the for the innovation to be worth the the for the innovation to be worth the the effort. effort. effort. >> Cool. And thank you >> Cool. And thank you >> Cool. And thank you >> super chat >> super chat >> super chat >> for that $50 super chat. We appreciate >> for that $50 super chat. We appreciate >> for that $50 super chat. We appreciate you. you. you. >> No joke, Tyler. That $50 super chat. >> No joke, Tyler. That $50 super chat. >> No joke, Tyler. That $50 super chat. >> Cool. And we got a master class coming >> Cool. And we got a master class coming >> Cool. And we got a master class coming up, right? up, right? up, right? >> Yes, we do. And it's this week. Zero to >> Yes, we do. And it's this week. Zero to >> Yes, we do. And it's this week. Zero to Founder is where I teach you guys how to Founder is where I teach you guys how to Founder is where I teach you guys how to build a company largely using AI. Okay. build a company largely using AI. Okay. build a company largely using AI. Okay. And the master class that we're doing on And the master class that we're doing on And the master class that we're doing on the 7th at 1 p.m., which is this the 7th at 1 p.m., which is this the 7th at 1 p.m., which is this Thursday, is where for free, no fee Thursday, is where for free, no fee Thursday, is where for free, no fee whatsoever, for free, I'm going to teach whatsoever, for free, I'm going to teach whatsoever, for free, I'm going to teach you guys how to build your first five you guys how to build your first five you guys how to build your first five essentially AI employees to launch your essentially AI employees to launch your essentially AI employees to launch your company as a solo entrepreneur. Uh, it company as a solo entrepreneur. Uh, it company as a solo entrepreneur. Uh, it is very doable. We have people doing it is very doable. We have people doing it is very doable. We have people doing it all the time. So, join me this Thursday, all the time. So, join me this Thursday, all the time. So, join me this Thursday, May 7th, at 1 p.m. Pacific for free. I'm May 7th, at 1 p.m. Pacific for free. I'm May 7th, at 1 p.m. Pacific for free. I'm going to walk you guys through how to do going to walk you guys through how to do going to walk you guys through how to do it. It'll be awesome. And then one more it. It'll be awesome. And then one more it. It'll be awesome. And then one more shout out to Kelshi for sponsoring shout out to Kelshi for sponsoring shout out to Kelshi for sponsoring today's episode. We appreciate you guys today's episode. We appreciate you guys today's episode. We appreciate you guys uh and think that we've got something uh and think that we've got something uh and think that we've got something more long-term uh brewing here with more long-term uh brewing here with more long-term uh brewing here with Kelshi. So hopefully excited to bring Kelshi. So hopefully excited to bring Kelshi. So hopefully excited to bring them back uh as we look at the odds of them back uh as we look at the odds of them back uh as we look at the odds of different things happening. different things happening. different things happening. >> Say last one last one. Bitcoin price on >> Say last one last one. Bitcoin price on >> Say last one last one. Bitcoin price on Friday over under 80K. Friday over under 80K. Friday over under 80K. >> Super chat >> Super chat >> Super chat >> this Friday. I'm going to go with over >> this Friday. I'm going to go with over >> this Friday. I'm going to go with over >> over 80K. >> over 80K. >> over 80K. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> over 80K. All right, that's a 46% >> over 80K. All right, that's a 46% >> over 80K. All right, that's a 46% chance. If you hit yes, 46 cents for chance. If you hit yes, 46 cents for chance. If you hit yes, 46 cents for every dollar that you invest. Shout out every dollar that you invest. Shout out every dollar that you invest. Shout out to Cali. I might have to transfer some to Cali. I might have to transfer some to Cali. I might have to transfer some funds. funds. funds. >> We'll see. >> We'll see. >> We'll see. >> Let's see if Tom owns me money on >> Let's see if Tom owns me money on >> Let's see if Tom owns me money on Friday. Let's go. Friday. Let's go. Friday. Let's go. >> All right, everybody. You know, I won't >> All right, everybody. You know, I won't >> All right, everybody. You know, I won't be betting, just for the record. be betting, just for the record. be betting, just for the record. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] I I like the data. Give me that data, I I like the data. Give me that data, I I like the data. Give me that data, Kelshi. All right, you guys. Thank you Kelshi. All right, you guys. Thank you Kelshi. All right, you guys. Thank you so much as always for joining us, and we so much as always for joining us, and we so much as always for joining us, and we will see you on Wednesday. May the will see you on Wednesday. May the will see you on Wednesday. May the fourth be with you later, everybody. fourth be with you later, everybody. fourth be with you later, everybody. Peace.