The SUGAR Expert: This is What Too Much Sugar Does to Your Baby (Eat Carbs This Way Instead)

The biggest thing I think that I want to The biggest thing I think that I want to start with is so many people feel that start with is so many people feel that start with is so many people feel that you can eat whatever you want when you can eat whatever you want when you can eat whatever you want when you're pregnant. There's really no you're pregnant. There's really no you're pregnant. There's really no rules. Why do you disagree with that? rules. Why do you disagree with that? rules. Why do you disagree with that? >> There are many myths around pregnancy. >> There are many myths around pregnancy. >> There are many myths around pregnancy. That's one of them. There's the myth That's one of them. There's the myth That's one of them. There's the myth that you should eat for two. The myth that you should eat for two. The myth that you should eat for two. The myth that you're going to gain weight anyway, that you're going to gain weight anyway, that you're going to gain weight anyway, so it's the perfect time to eat all the so it's the perfect time to eat all the so it's the perfect time to eat all the stuff you never usually eat and that you stuff you never usually eat and that you stuff you never usually eat and that you don't think you should eat because don't think you should eat because don't think you should eat because they're not good for you. There's they're not good for you. There's they're not good for you. There's another myth around uh your baby will another myth around uh your baby will another myth around uh your baby will get what he needs from you. And I think get what he needs from you. And I think get what he needs from you. And I think the main myth, Jay, is that when you're the main myth, Jay, is that when you're the main myth, Jay, is that when you're pregnant, you have a bun in the oven. pregnant, you have a bun in the oven. pregnant, you have a bun in the oven. Have you heard that expression before? Have you heard that expression before? Have you heard that expression before? >> I've heard that expression. So I was >> I've heard that expression. So I was >> I've heard that expression. So I was told when I was pregnant by people in told when I was pregnant by people in told when I was pregnant by people in the street, "Ah, you have a bun in the the street, "Ah, you have a bun in the the street, "Ah, you have a bun in the oven." And I think this is where most of oven." And I think this is where most of oven." And I think this is where most of our problems start because as I was our problems start because as I was our problems start because as I was thinking about this metaphor, I thought thinking about this metaphor, I thought thinking about this metaphor, I thought there's so many things wrong with this there's so many things wrong with this there's so many things wrong with this sentence. First, it implies that as the sentence. First, it implies that as the sentence. First, it implies that as the mom, you are an oven, meaning mom, you are an oven, meaning mom, you are an oven, meaning seriously that you are this passive box seriously that you are this passive box seriously that you are this passive box of heat and time. It implies that when of heat and time. It implies that when of heat and time. It implies that when you're pregnant, all you got to do is you're pregnant, all you got to do is you're pregnant, all you got to do is keep the temperature at the right keep the temperature at the right keep the temperature at the right temperature and just wait. And then it temperature and just wait. And then it temperature and just wait. And then it also implies something a bit more subtle also implies something a bit more subtle also implies something a bit more subtle because if you bake something like if because if you bake something like if because if you bake something like if you're making, I don't know, a brownie, you're making, I don't know, a brownie, you're making, I don't know, a brownie, the moment you put the brownie in the the moment you put the brownie in the the moment you put the brownie in the oven, it's going to stay a brownie. The oven, it's going to stay a brownie. The oven, it's going to stay a brownie. The oven doesn't change the recipe, right? oven doesn't change the recipe, right? oven doesn't change the recipe, right? So it implies that your baby the moment So it implies that your baby the moment So it implies that your baby the moment that the sperm meets the egg, it implies that the sperm meets the egg, it implies that the sperm meets the egg, it implies that at that point the baby is set in that at that point the baby is set in that at that point the baby is set in stone and that all you got to do is wait stone and that all you got to do is wait stone and that all you got to do is wait and let nature do its thing and the and let nature do its thing and the and let nature do its thing and the baby's going to come out. I learned in baby's going to come out. I learned in baby's going to come out. I learned in the science that actually what happens the science that actually what happens the science that actually what happens during the nine months and specifically during the nine months and specifically during the nine months and specifically what you eat during the nine months what you eat during the nine months what you eat during the nine months cocreates the baby. So if you eat two cocreates the baby. So if you eat two cocreates the baby. So if you eat two different diets, a different baby will different diets, a different baby will different diets, a different baby will come out. Your diet during pregnancy is come out. Your diet during pregnancy is come out. Your diet during pregnancy is calibrating things in your child. It's calibrating things in your child. It's calibrating things in your child. It's setting his metabolism, the number of setting his metabolism, the number of setting his metabolism, the number of brain cells he has. It's setting his brain cells he has. It's setting his brain cells he has. It's setting his resilience or his sensitivity to resilience or his sensitivity to resilience or his sensitivity to disease. It's like you are a co-creator disease. It's like you are a co-creator disease. It's like you are a co-creator when you're pregnant. You're not an when you're pregnant. You're not an when you're pregnant. You're not an oven. A better metaphor is oven. A better metaphor is oven. A better metaphor is being soil out of which your baby is a being soil out of which your baby is a being soil out of which your baby is a little seed growing. Like you have a little seed growing. Like you have a little seed growing. Like you have a beautiful garden, right? If I were to beautiful garden, right? If I were to beautiful garden, right? If I were to give you a seed for an apple tree and I give you a seed for an apple tree and I give you a seed for an apple tree and I said, "Jay, you have two options. You said, "Jay, you have two options. You said, "Jay, you have two options. You can plant this seed in your driveway can plant this seed in your driveway can plant this seed in your driveway where it's just rocks and gravel or you where it's just rocks and gravel or you where it's just rocks and gravel or you can plant it in the soil in the sun." can plant it in the soil in the sun." can plant it in the soil in the sun." You know intuitively you should plant it You know intuitively you should plant it You know intuitively you should plant it in the soil in the sun because even if in the soil in the sun because even if in the soil in the sun because even if that seed has the same genetic plan that seed has the same genetic plan that seed has the same genetic plan where you plant it is going to determine where you plant it is going to determine where you plant it is going to determine how it adapts and what it becomes. how it adapts and what it becomes. how it adapts and what it becomes. >> And as the mom you're the soil and it's >> And as the mom you're the soil and it's >> And as the mom you're the soil and it's a lot of responsibility for sure and I a lot of responsibility for sure and I a lot of responsibility for sure and I felt that too but the science I felt that too but the science I felt that too but the science I discovered helped me navigate that discovered helped me navigate that discovered helped me navigate that responsibility more easily and that's responsibility more easily and that's responsibility more easily and that's what I want to share with people today. what I want to share with people today. what I want to share with people today. >> Is it simple enough for someone who's >> Is it simple enough for someone who's >> Is it simple enough for someone who's not educated on this i.e. itself. Is it not educated on this i.e. itself. Is it not educated on this i.e. itself. Is it simple enough to be able to say this simple enough to be able to say this simple enough to be able to say this food links to this and this food links food links to this and this food links food links to this and this food links to this? Like is it that obvious? to this? Like is it that obvious? to this? Like is it that obvious? >> It is that simple. >> It is that simple. >> It is that simple. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah, it is that simple. >> Yeah, it is that simple. >> Yeah, it is that simple. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So, in the studies, I discovered these >> So, in the studies, I discovered these >> So, in the studies, I discovered these four main nutrients that have a outsized four main nutrients that have a outsized four main nutrients that have a outsized effect on your baby's long-term health effect on your baby's long-term health effect on your baby's long-term health during pregnancy. The first one is during pregnancy. The first one is during pregnancy. The first one is glucose. [laughter] Glucose. We meet glucose. [laughter] Glucose. We meet glucose. [laughter] Glucose. We meet again. So, the amount of glucose again. So, the amount of glucose again. So, the amount of glucose circulating in your bloodstream during circulating in your bloodstream during circulating in your bloodstream during pregnancy is going to program your pregnancy is going to program your pregnancy is going to program your baby's DNA to be more or less vulnerable baby's DNA to be more or less vulnerable baby's DNA to be more or less vulnerable to type two diabetes later in life. to type two diabetes later in life. to type two diabetes later in life. Second one is choline. Choline is found Second one is choline. Choline is found Second one is choline. Choline is found in eggs and it builds your baby's brain. in eggs and it builds your baby's brain. in eggs and it builds your baby's brain. And we know that if there's not enough And we know that if there's not enough And we know that if there's not enough choline in a brain during pregnancy, choline in a brain during pregnancy, choline in a brain during pregnancy, well, the brain will be formed with well, the brain will be formed with well, the brain will be formed with fewer neurons. Neurons are the brain fewer neurons. Neurons are the brain fewer neurons. Neurons are the brain cells that process information. Third cells that process information. Third cells that process information. Third one is protein. During pregnancy, you one is protein. During pregnancy, you one is protein. During pregnancy, you need to eat more protein than usual. And need to eat more protein than usual. And need to eat more protein than usual. And animal studies show us that if you have animal studies show us that if you have animal studies show us that if you have too little protein, the baby comes out too little protein, the baby comes out too little protein, the baby comes out smaller and with a setting to keep his smaller and with a setting to keep his smaller and with a setting to keep his muscle mass low for life. muscle mass low for life. muscle mass low for life. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yes. And the fourth one is omega-3s. >> Yes. And the fourth one is omega-3s. >> Yes. And the fourth one is omega-3s. Omega-3s are a type of fat that come Omega-3s are a type of fat that come Omega-3s are a type of fat that come from algae in the ocean. And this fat from algae in the ocean. And this fat from algae in the ocean. And this fat also builds a baby's brain. And we see, also builds a baby's brain. And we see, also builds a baby's brain. And we see, for example, studies that show that if for example, studies that show that if for example, studies that show that if you have enough omega-3s during you have enough omega-3s during you have enough omega-3s during pregnancy, you can measure a higher IQ pregnancy, you can measure a higher IQ pregnancy, you can measure a higher IQ in a baby at four years old. in a baby at four years old. in a baby at four years old. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Yes. So, as I was discovering this, I >> Yes. So, as I was discovering this, I >> Yes. So, as I was discovering this, I was making that same face. I was like, was making that same face. I was like, was making that same face. I was like, "What? Why is there such a gap between "What? Why is there such a gap between "What? Why is there such a gap between what science knows and what parents are what science knows and what parents are what science knows and what parents are told?" And that's the gap that I'm told?" And that's the gap that I'm told?" And that's the gap that I'm hoping to bridge cuz this stuff is hoping to bridge cuz this stuff is hoping to bridge cuz this stuff is essential. essential. essential. >> So, Einstein's mom basically had an >> So, Einstein's mom basically had an >> So, Einstein's mom basically had an amazing diet. amazing diet. amazing diet. >> Well, who knows? Maybe she didn't know >> Well, who knows? Maybe she didn't know >> Well, who knows? Maybe she didn't know this stuff. I think back in the day, this stuff. I think back in the day, this stuff. I think back in the day, they ate a little more organ meats and, they ate a little more organ meats and, they ate a little more organ meats and, you know, foods with higher nutrition. you know, foods with higher nutrition. you know, foods with higher nutrition. So maybe she did have a better diet So maybe she did have a better diet So maybe she did have a better diet because the problem is today because the problem is today because the problem is today most of us are eating a diet of most of us are eating a diet of most of us are eating a diet of processed foods. It's not our fault. The processed foods. It's not our fault. The processed foods. It's not our fault. The food industry marketing messages and so food industry marketing messages and so food industry marketing messages and so 90% of mothers today are eating a diet 90% of mothers today are eating a diet 90% of mothers today are eating a diet that is not giving them the right that is not giving them the right that is not giving them the right nutrients for their baby to grow. So 90% nutrients for their baby to grow. So 90% nutrients for their baby to grow. So 90% of moms today are missing one of these of moms today are missing one of these of moms today are missing one of these crucial nutrients. For choline it's 90% crucial nutrients. For choline it's 90% crucial nutrients. For choline it's 90% of moms are not getting enough. For of moms are not getting enough. For of moms are not getting enough. For protein it's 70%. For omega-3s it's 75%. protein it's 70%. For omega-3s it's 75%. protein it's 70%. For omega-3s it's 75%. And for glucose, well, most moms today And for glucose, well, most moms today And for glucose, well, most moms today eat three times the recommended amount eat three times the recommended amount eat three times the recommended amount of sugar during pregnancy. And it's not of sugar during pregnancy. And it's not of sugar during pregnancy. And it's not their fault, Jay. This is really their fault, Jay. This is really their fault, Jay. This is really important. The food industry or food important. The food industry or food important. The food industry or food landscape has created this toxic landscape has created this toxic landscape has created this toxic environment, and we're all trying to eat environment, and we're all trying to eat environment, and we're all trying to eat as well as we can, but the system has as well as we can, but the system has as well as we can, but the system has failed us. failed us. failed us. >> What's the negative impact of, for >> What's the negative impact of, for >> What's the negative impact of, for example, the three times the glucose, example, the three times the glucose, example, the three times the glucose, not enough of the omega-3s, not enough not enough of the omega-3s, not enough not enough of the omega-3s, not enough protein? Like, what how bad can it get? protein? Like, what how bad can it get? protein? Like, what how bad can it get? and what are the sad experiences that and what are the sad experiences that and what are the sad experiences that mothers are having during and post mothers are having during and post mothers are having during and post pregnancy that they may not even be pregnancy that they may not even be pregnancy that they may not even be connecting to those things. connecting to those things. connecting to those things. >> So for choline for example, we know that >> So for choline for example, we know that >> So for choline for example, we know that when moms have very low levels of when moms have very low levels of when moms have very low levels of choline, it can lead to more brain choline, it can lead to more brain choline, it can lead to more brain defects that can end in miscarriage. defects that can end in miscarriage. defects that can end in miscarriage. Doctors will often tell you about Doctors will often tell you about Doctors will often tell you about folate. This is the only thing my doctor folate. This is the only thing my doctor folate. This is the only thing my doctor told me. He said, "Take a f a folate told me. He said, "Take a f a folate told me. He said, "Take a f a folate supplement. Everybody talks about this supplement. Everybody talks about this supplement. Everybody talks about this and it's because low folate levels are and it's because low folate levels are and it's because low folate levels are also linked to higher risk of also linked to higher risk of also linked to higher risk of miscarriage." Nobody talks about miscarriage." Nobody talks about miscarriage." Nobody talks about choline, but it's just as important. So, choline, but it's just as important. So, choline, but it's just as important. So, that's a main one. In terms of choline, that's a main one. In terms of choline, that's a main one. In terms of choline, like if you don't have enough choline, like if you don't have enough choline, like if you don't have enough choline, your baby will be fine, right? Maybe his your baby will be fine, right? Maybe his your baby will be fine, right? Maybe his brain will be formed a little bit less brain will be formed a little bit less brain will be formed a little bit less optimally, but we'll be fine. My mom optimally, but we'll be fine. My mom optimally, but we'll be fine. My mom didn't eat any eggs when she was didn't eat any eggs when she was didn't eat any eggs when she was pregnant with me. When it comes to pregnant with me. When it comes to pregnant with me. When it comes to glucose, if you have a very high sugar glucose, if you have a very high sugar glucose, if you have a very high sugar diet during pregnancy, and if your blood diet during pregnancy, and if your blood diet during pregnancy, and if your blood glucose levels are very high, we know glucose levels are very high, we know glucose levels are very high, we know that it means that your baby will be that it means that your baby will be that it means that your baby will be more likely to develop type 2 diabetes. more likely to develop type 2 diabetes. more likely to develop type 2 diabetes. For example, there is this condition For example, there is this condition For example, there is this condition called gestational diabetes, which means called gestational diabetes, which means called gestational diabetes, which means the diabetes of pregnancy, which means the diabetes of pregnancy, which means the diabetes of pregnancy, which means just having very high blood sugar during just having very high blood sugar during just having very high blood sugar during pregnancy. And when we look at the kids pregnancy. And when we look at the kids pregnancy. And when we look at the kids of moms who have gestational diabetes, of moms who have gestational diabetes, of moms who have gestational diabetes, 21% of the kids will have developed 21% of the kids will have developed 21% of the kids will have developed diabetes by age 22. diabetes by age 22. diabetes by age 22. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Versus 4% of kids of moms who did not >> Versus 4% of kids of moms who did not >> Versus 4% of kids of moms who did not have gestational diabetes. And this is a have gestational diabetes. And this is a have gestational diabetes. And this is a big deal, Jay, because if you develop big deal, Jay, because if you develop big deal, Jay, because if you develop diabetes as a teenager, you have 15 diabetes as a teenager, you have 15 diabetes as a teenager, you have 15 years of life just knocked off. You're years of life just knocked off. You're years of life just knocked off. You're on average going to live 15 fewer years on average going to live 15 fewer years on average going to live 15 fewer years than your peers. And there's all these than your peers. And there's all these than your peers. And there's all these incredible studies done on millions of incredible studies done on millions of incredible studies done on millions of women, statistics like this that are women, statistics like this that are women, statistics like this that are mind-blowing. Even siblings, Jay, if one mind-blowing. Even siblings, Jay, if one mind-blowing. Even siblings, Jay, if one was developing in the womb of the mother was developing in the womb of the mother was developing in the womb of the mother when she had gestational diabetes and if when she had gestational diabetes and if when she had gestational diabetes and if he has a sibling that was developing in he has a sibling that was developing in he has a sibling that was developing in the womb when the mom did not have the womb when the mom did not have the womb when the mom did not have diabetes, the sibling developing during diabetes, the sibling developing during diabetes, the sibling developing during the diabetes has a four time increased the diabetes has a four time increased the diabetes has a four time increased risk in developing himself diabetes in risk in developing himself diabetes in risk in developing himself diabetes in his lifetime. So what's going on? Like his lifetime. So what's going on? Like his lifetime. So what's going on? Like why is this going on? So, one of the why is this going on? So, one of the why is this going on? So, one of the main things we need to understand about main things we need to understand about main things we need to understand about pregnancy is that while your baby's DNA pregnancy is that while your baby's DNA pregnancy is that while your baby's DNA is set in stone when the sperm meets the is set in stone when the sperm meets the is set in stone when the sperm meets the egg, there's something else that is not egg, there's something else that is not egg, there's something else that is not set in stone, and that's called set in stone, and that's called set in stone, and that's called epigenetics. epigenetics. epigenetics. It's a complicated word, but it simply It's a complicated word, but it simply It's a complicated word, but it simply means that there are these tiny little means that there are these tiny little means that there are these tiny little microscopic switches like the dimmer microscopic switches like the dimmer microscopic switches like the dimmer switch on a light that control our genes switch on a light that control our genes switch on a light that control our genes and that say this gene more activated, and that say this gene more activated, and that say this gene more activated, this gene more silenced. Epigenetics this gene more silenced. Epigenetics this gene more silenced. Epigenetics switches on your baby's DNA. And these switches on your baby's DNA. And these switches on your baby's DNA. And these epigenetics, where do they come from? epigenetics, where do they come from? epigenetics, where do they come from? They come from the environment that you They come from the environment that you They come from the environment that you provide during pregnancy. So as a provide during pregnancy. So as a provide during pregnancy. So as a pregnant mom, you are programming your pregnant mom, you are programming your pregnant mom, you are programming your child's DNA with what you eat. And in child's DNA with what you eat. And in child's DNA with what you eat. And in particular, when it comes to diabetes, particular, when it comes to diabetes, particular, when it comes to diabetes, we see that moms with very high glucose we see that moms with very high glucose we see that moms with very high glucose levels have babies who have the genes levels have babies who have the genes levels have babies who have the genes linked to diabetes that are activated at linked to diabetes that are activated at linked to diabetes that are activated at birth. And this setting can stay with birth. And this setting can stay with birth. And this setting can stay with them for life. So it's like the moment them for life. So it's like the moment them for life. So it's like the moment they're born, they're born with this they're born, they're born with this they're born, they're born with this innate vulnerability to that condition. innate vulnerability to that condition. innate vulnerability to that condition. So that's choline and glucose. So that's choline and glucose. So that's choline and glucose. for protein. Now, this is fascinating for protein. Now, this is fascinating for protein. Now, this is fascinating and I know you're a vegan, so I think and I know you're a vegan, so I think and I know you're a vegan, so I think protein is a big one for you. protein is a big one for you. protein is a big one for you. >> Okay, so animal studies show us that if >> Okay, so animal studies show us that if >> Okay, so animal studies show us that if a mom doesn't have enough protein during a mom doesn't have enough protein during a mom doesn't have enough protein during pregnancy, even if she has enough pregnancy, even if she has enough pregnancy, even if she has enough calories, so it's not about she doesn't calories, so it's not about she doesn't calories, so it's not about she doesn't have enough food, it's specifically she have enough food, it's specifically she have enough food, it's specifically she doesn't have enough protein. This is in doesn't have enough protein. This is in doesn't have enough protein. This is in animal studies. They see that the babies animal studies. They see that the babies animal studies. They see that the babies are born with epigenetic switches that are born with epigenetic switches that are born with epigenetic switches that say keep your muscle mass small. It's as say keep your muscle mass small. It's as say keep your muscle mass small. It's as if low protein during pregnancy is if low protein during pregnancy is if low protein during pregnancy is sending a message to my baby saying to sending a message to my baby saying to sending a message to my baby saying to him, "Hey baby, you're going to be born him, "Hey baby, you're going to be born him, "Hey baby, you're going to be born into a world with not a lot of protein, into a world with not a lot of protein, into a world with not a lot of protein, so you should keep your muscle mass so you should keep your muscle mass so you should keep your muscle mass small." small." small." >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So, he's getting a message. Your baby's >> So, he's getting a message. Your baby's >> So, he's getting a message. Your baby's getting information about the world he's getting information about the world he's getting information about the world he's going to be born into with what you're going to be born into with what you're going to be born into with what you're eating during pregnancy. He can't see eating during pregnancy. He can't see eating during pregnancy. He can't see anything. He can kind of hear through anything. He can kind of hear through anything. He can kind of hear through the water, but you know, it's muffled. the water, but you know, it's muffled. the water, but you know, it's muffled. And he's like, "What kind of world am I And he's like, "What kind of world am I And he's like, "What kind of world am I being born into?" Because as he's being born into?" Because as he's being born into?" Because as he's creating his organs, his brain from creating his organs, his brain from creating his organs, his brain from scratch, he needs information and your scratch, he needs information and your scratch, he needs information and your diet is providing information. So if you diet is providing information. So if you diet is providing information. So if you have a very low protein diet, your have a very low protein diet, your have a very low protein diet, your baby's going to think, okay, I got to baby's going to think, okay, I got to baby's going to think, okay, I got to create my body and set up myself in a create my body and set up myself in a create my body and set up myself in a way that I'm going to survive optimally way that I'm going to survive optimally way that I'm going to survive optimally in a low protein world. This moment of in a low protein world. This moment of in a low protein world. This moment of pregnancy is preparing him for the rest pregnancy is preparing him for the rest pregnancy is preparing him for the rest of his life. of his life. of his life. >> Is there a recommended protein amount >> Is there a recommended protein amount >> Is there a recommended protein amount for pregnant moms? for pregnant moms? for pregnant moms? >> Yes. So for a long time, it was too low. >> Yes. So for a long time, it was too low. >> Yes. So for a long time, it was too low. And recent studies that are using a very And recent studies that are using a very And recent studies that are using a very fancy new technique have found that it's fancy new technique have found that it's fancy new technique have found that it's 50% higher than we thought. 50% higher than we thought. 50% higher than we thought. >> That's a lot. >> That's a lot. >> That's a lot. >> That's a lot. Because when you think >> That's a lot. Because when you think >> That's a lot. Because when you think about it, protein is not just muscle. So about it, protein is not just muscle. So about it, protein is not just muscle. So many things in your body are protein many things in your body are protein many things in your body are protein like your immune system, like the like your immune system, like the like your immune system, like the molecules that make up your skin, like molecules that make up your skin, like molecules that make up your skin, like all of your hormones. I mean, most of all of your hormones. I mean, most of all of your hormones. I mean, most of your hormones. So basically, we know we your hormones. So basically, we know we your hormones. So basically, we know we now know that during pregnancy, you need now know that during pregnancy, you need now know that during pregnancy, you need about 1.5 about 1.5 about 1.5 or 1.6 six grams of protein per day per or 1.6 six grams of protein per day per or 1.6 six grams of protein per day per kilo of body weight. So that's about 100 kilo of body weight. So that's about 100 kilo of body weight. So that's about 100 grams of protein give or take. Today 75% grams of protein give or take. Today 75% grams of protein give or take. Today 75% of moms are not getting that amount. of moms are not getting that amount. of moms are not getting that amount. >> So most of us are sending a signal to >> So most of us are sending a signal to >> So most of us are sending a signal to our baby without even knowing we're our baby without even knowing we're our baby without even knowing we're doing that of there's not a lot of doing that of there's not a lot of doing that of there's not a lot of protein in the world you're about to be protein in the world you're about to be protein in the world you're about to be born into. born into. born into. And I when I was reading the science I And I when I was reading the science I And I when I was reading the science I was like, "Huh, I have these two was like, "Huh, I have these two was like, "Huh, I have these two friends, Gabriel and Nicholas. Okay, friends, Gabriel and Nicholas. Okay, friends, Gabriel and Nicholas. Okay, they have kind of the same diet and they they have kind of the same diet and they they have kind of the same diet and they do pretty much the same exercise. One do pretty much the same exercise. One do pretty much the same exercise. One builds muscle mass super easily and the builds muscle mass super easily and the builds muscle mass super easily and the other one struggles so much to put on other one struggles so much to put on other one struggles so much to put on muscle. And I was wondering, well, maybe muscle. And I was wondering, well, maybe muscle. And I was wondering, well, maybe one of the reasons is their programming one of the reasons is their programming one of the reasons is their programming from the womb when they were in their from the womb when they were in their from the womb when they were in their mother's belly. mother's belly. mother's belly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, we're not equal. Like who we are >> So, we're not equal. Like who we are >> So, we're not equal. Like who we are today, you and me, we're going to be today, you and me, we're going to be today, you and me, we're going to be more or less vulnerable to things more or less vulnerable to things more or less vulnerable to things depending on what happened when our mom depending on what happened when our mom depending on what happened when our mom was pregnant with us. was pregnant with us. was pregnant with us. >> Yeah. I mean, and and you can feel that >> Yeah. I mean, and and you can feel that >> Yeah. I mean, and and you can feel that as well. Like you can, as you were as well. Like you can, as you were as well. Like you can, as you were saying certain things, I'm like, I need saying certain things, I'm like, I need saying certain things, I'm like, I need to go ask my mom what she was eating to go ask my mom what she was eating to go ask my mom what she was eating when when when >> that's what I did. I called her. I was >> that's what I did. I called her. I was >> that's what I did. I called her. I was like, "Mom, okay." So, I have this like, "Mom, okay." So, I have this like, "Mom, okay." So, I have this little list here. How much choline did little list here. How much choline did little list here. How much choline did you have? What how many eggs? She was you have? What how many eggs? She was you have? What how many eggs? She was like, "No, it was the '9s, honey. Like, like, "No, it was the '9s, honey. Like, like, "No, it was the '9s, honey. Like, in '90s, we only ate sugar and low-fat in '90s, we only ate sugar and low-fat in '90s, we only ate sugar and low-fat foods." I thought, man, that's why that foods." I thought, man, that's why that foods." I thought, man, that's why that makes sense. makes sense. makes sense. >> That's why you're so smart. I'm glad. >> That's why you're so smart. I'm glad. >> That's why you're so smart. I'm glad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> No, but actually, you know, I'm fine, >> No, but actually, you know, I'm fine, >> No, but actually, you know, I'm fine, but if I'm honest, I'm I'm okay. But if but if I'm honest, I'm I'm okay. But if but if I'm honest, I'm I'm okay. But if I'm honest, Jay, like I struggled with I'm honest, Jay, like I struggled with I'm honest, Jay, like I struggled with mental health my whole life. When I was mental health my whole life. When I was mental health my whole life. When I was 25 years old, I was on the cusp of 25 years old, I was on the cusp of 25 years old, I was on the cusp of pre-diabetes. Like clearly I had a pre-diabetes. Like clearly I had a pre-diabetes. Like clearly I had a vulnerability to pre-diabetes. vulnerability to pre-diabetes. vulnerability to pre-diabetes. >> Maybe it was because my mom only ate >> Maybe it was because my mom only ate >> Maybe it was because my mom only ate sugar and special K when she was sugar and special K when she was sugar and special K when she was pregnant. We don't know. pregnant. We don't know. pregnant. We don't know. >> We're never going to know. But the all >> We're never going to know. But the all >> We're never going to know. But the all the animal studies, the decades of the animal studies, the decades of the animal studies, the decades of studies on animals that we have point to studies on animals that we have point to studies on animals that we have point to the fact that what happens during the fact that what happens during the fact that what happens during pregnancy sets up a baby for life. And pregnancy sets up a baby for life. And pregnancy sets up a baby for life. And it's very clear. If you were talking to it's very clear. If you were talking to it's very clear. If you were talking to a room full of pregnant moms right now a room full of pregnant moms right now a room full of pregnant moms right now who just starting their journey, they're who just starting their journey, they're who just starting their journey, they're they're nine months. They're all going they're nine months. They're all going they're nine months. They're all going to take a copy of your book away home to take a copy of your book away home to take a copy of your book away home because it's going to help them through because it's going to help them through because it's going to help them through the next 9 months. What's the first the next 9 months. What's the first the next 9 months. What's the first thing you'd want them to know today thing you'd want them to know today thing you'd want them to know today that's going to shift the next nine that's going to shift the next nine that's going to shift the next nine months? months? months? >> I would say the first 3 months don't >> I would say the first 3 months don't >> I would say the first 3 months don't worry about anything I'm saying because worry about anything I'm saying because worry about anything I'm saying because nausea is usually so bad that you can't nausea is usually so bad that you can't nausea is usually so bad that you can't eat anything of remote nutritional eat anything of remote nutritional eat anything of remote nutritional value. value. value. >> Is there any way of avoiding that nausea >> Is there any way of avoiding that nausea >> Is there any way of avoiding that nausea that moms there's nothing? Well, if it's that moms there's nothing? Well, if it's that moms there's nothing? Well, if it's really bad, there's medication you can really bad, there's medication you can really bad, there's medication you can take, but for most of us, you just have take, but for most of us, you just have take, but for most of us, you just have to wait it out. There's some few a to wait it out. There's some few a to wait it out. There's some few a little few things you can do. You can little few things you can do. You can little few things you can do. You can make sure your blood sugar levels are make sure your blood sugar levels are make sure your blood sugar levels are balanced. So, use all of my hacks from balanced. So, use all of my hacks from balanced. So, use all of my hacks from my previous work. my previous work. my previous work. >> Protein in the morning, protein >> Protein in the morning, protein >> Protein in the morning, protein basically all the time. It's the only basically all the time. It's the only basically all the time. It's the only thing that can help really balance the thing that can help really balance the thing that can help really balance the nausea. I would even keep some almonds nausea. I would even keep some almonds nausea. I would even keep some almonds by the side of my bed and have them by the side of my bed and have them by the side of my bed and have them before I got up. Mhm. before I got up. Mhm. before I got up. Mhm. >> Like I would literally open my eyes, not >> Like I would literally open my eyes, not >> Like I would literally open my eyes, not move, put my hand to the side, grab 10 move, put my hand to the side, grab 10 move, put my hand to the side, grab 10 almonds, put them in my mouth, and then almonds, put them in my mouth, and then almonds, put them in my mouth, and then get up. Like that's how bad it was. get up. Like that's how bad it was. get up. Like that's how bad it was. >> Um, you could do that. Ginger helps. >> Um, you could do that. Ginger helps. >> Um, you could do that. Ginger helps. Exercise also helps actually, but mostly Exercise also helps actually, but mostly Exercise also helps actually, but mostly it just sucks, man. It just sucks. it just sucks, man. It just sucks. it just sucks, man. It just sucks. >> Did you try anything that was crazy or >> Did you try anything that was crazy or >> Did you try anything that was crazy or like a myth and then busted it and like a myth and then busted it and like a myth and then busted it and realized this doesn't work for sure. I realized this doesn't work for sure. I realized this doesn't work for sure. I was like, I'm the glucose freaking was like, I'm the glucose freaking was like, I'm the glucose freaking goddess and I know all this stuff and goddess and I know all this stuff and goddess and I know all this stuff and all I could I've been able to eat for all I could I've been able to eat for all I could I've been able to eat for the past month is quason and pound. the past month is quason and pound. the past month is quason and pound. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> That sounds amazing. >> That sounds amazing. >> That sounds amazing. >> No, it's cuz the carbs were the only >> No, it's cuz the carbs were the only >> No, it's cuz the carbs were the only thing that didn't make me want to throw thing that didn't make me want to throw thing that didn't make me want to throw up. up. up. >> But for first three months, yeah, >> But for first three months, yeah, >> But for first three months, yeah, >> you're okay. >> you're okay. >> you're okay. >> Well, the first three months, >> Well, the first three months, >> Well, the first three months, you do what you can. If you're not you do what you can. If you're not you do what you can. If you're not nauseous, use everything in this book. nauseous, use everything in this book. nauseous, use everything in this book. And what I would say to pregnant moms And what I would say to pregnant moms And what I would say to pregnant moms is, okay, first trimester is kind of is, okay, first trimester is kind of is, okay, first trimester is kind of unique. Do what you can. Then I would unique. Do what you can. Then I would unique. Do what you can. Then I would say eat four eggs a day because four say eat four eggs a day because four say eat four eggs a day because four eggs are going to give your baby all the eggs are going to give your baby all the eggs are going to give your baby all the choline that he needs. Two, make sure choline that he needs. Two, make sure choline that he needs. Two, make sure you have a protein at every single meal. you have a protein at every single meal. you have a protein at every single meal. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> This is going to give your baby enough >> This is going to give your baby enough >> This is going to give your baby enough protein. Three, have fish or supplement protein. Three, have fish or supplement protein. Three, have fish or supplement with omega-3s. I did that every day. Two with omega-3s. I did that every day. Two with omega-3s. I did that every day. Two grams of omega-3s every day, which is grams of omega-3s every day, which is grams of omega-3s every day, which is more than you might think. And four, more than you might think. And four, more than you might think. And four, watch your sugar watch your sugar watch your sugar >> because cravings are strong during >> because cravings are strong during >> because cravings are strong during pregnancy. pregnancy. pregnancy. >> That's what I was about to say. So the >> That's what I was about to say. So the >> That's what I was about to say. So the cravings is not a myth. That's a real cravings is not a myth. That's a real cravings is not a myth. That's a real thing. thing. thing. >> Depending on who you are, you're going >> Depending on who you are, you're going >> Depending on who you are, you're going to have different cravings. Like, I was to have different cravings. Like, I was to have different cravings. Like, I was craving kiwis and red meat. craving kiwis and red meat. craving kiwis and red meat. >> And you don't love kiwis in general. >> And you don't love kiwis in general. >> And you don't love kiwis in general. >> I don't care about kiwis. Like, I've >> I don't care about kiwis. Like, I've >> I don't care about kiwis. Like, I've never explain that to me. Like, how does never explain that to me. Like, how does never explain that to me. Like, how does that happen? that happen? that happen? >> Well, okay. So, theory >> Well, okay. So, theory >> Well, okay. So, theory >> I always thought it was just like a fun >> I always thought it was just like a fun >> I always thought it was just like a fun thing that like theory goes made up. thing that like theory goes made up. thing that like theory goes made up. >> No, the theory goes and strawberries. I >> No, the theory goes and strawberries. I >> No, the theory goes and strawberries. I could eat pounds of strawberries. No could eat pounds of strawberries. No could eat pounds of strawberries. No reason. I don't even really like reason. I don't even really like reason. I don't even really like strawberries. I don't care. The theory strawberries. I don't care. The theory strawberries. I don't care. The theory goes that your body is making cravings goes that your body is making cravings goes that your body is making cravings that have to do with things that you're that have to do with things that you're that have to do with things that you're missing in in your diet. So, for missing in in your diet. So, for missing in in your diet. So, for example, why was I craving strawberries example, why was I craving strawberries example, why was I craving strawberries and kiwi? Maybe because of the vitamin and kiwi? Maybe because of the vitamin and kiwi? Maybe because of the vitamin C. Some moms crave pickles. Why? And C. Some moms crave pickles. Why? And C. Some moms crave pickles. Why? And scientists believe they know why. scientists believe they know why. scientists believe they know why. Because pickles contain salt and iodine. Because pickles contain salt and iodine. Because pickles contain salt and iodine. And iodine is very important during And iodine is very important during And iodine is very important during pregnancy. pregnancy. pregnancy. >> I was craving red meat because I was >> I was craving red meat because I was >> I was craving red meat because I was very low in iron. So, maybe the red meat very low in iron. So, maybe the red meat very low in iron. So, maybe the red meat was a way of getting iron. We don't was a way of getting iron. We don't was a way of getting iron. We don't really know. A lot of this stuff is a really know. A lot of this stuff is a really know. A lot of this stuff is a mystery, Jay. Like first of all, we mystery, Jay. Like first of all, we mystery, Jay. Like first of all, we can't really run a lot of studies on can't really run a lot of studies on can't really run a lot of studies on pregnant moms. pregnant moms. pregnant moms. >> Yeah, of course. >> Yeah, of course. >> Yeah, of course. >> So, it's a little bit complicated. And >> So, it's a little bit complicated. And >> So, it's a little bit complicated. And second, we know some things, but a lot second, we know some things, but a lot second, we know some things, but a lot of stuff we don't really understand yet. of stuff we don't really understand yet. of stuff we don't really understand yet. It's quite it's it's a miracle that It's quite it's it's a miracle that It's quite it's it's a miracle that you're building another human in your in you're building another human in your in you're building another human in your in your body. I mean, wow. So, I would say your body. I mean, wow. So, I would say your body. I mean, wow. So, I would say four eggs a day, enough protein, four eggs a day, enough protein, four eggs a day, enough protein, supplement with omega-3s, and watch your supplement with omega-3s, and watch your supplement with omega-3s, and watch your sugar. Try to stay under the sugar. Try to stay under the sugar. Try to stay under the recommendation of the World Health recommendation of the World Health recommendation of the World Health Organization, which is 25 grams of sugar Organization, which is 25 grams of sugar Organization, which is 25 grams of sugar or less per day. Now, this is something or less per day. Now, this is something or less per day. Now, this is something we need to unpack. we need to unpack. we need to unpack. 25 grams of sugar is not a lot. It's the 25 grams of sugar is not a lot. It's the 25 grams of sugar is not a lot. It's the amount of sugar in one glass of orange amount of sugar in one glass of orange amount of sugar in one glass of orange juice, in like half a chocolate bar, or juice, in like half a chocolate bar, or juice, in like half a chocolate bar, or in two cookies. in two cookies. in two cookies. >> It's not a lot. Yeah. >> It's not a lot. Yeah. >> It's not a lot. Yeah. >> And most moms today, the surveys show >> And most moms today, the surveys show >> And most moms today, the surveys show that they actually eat more sugar when that they actually eat more sugar when that they actually eat more sugar when they're pregnant than when they're not they're pregnant than when they're not they're pregnant than when they're not pregnant. Two reasons for this. One, pregnant. Two reasons for this. One, pregnant. Two reasons for this. One, cravings. And some studies on rats show cravings. And some studies on rats show cravings. And some studies on rats show that when you're pregnant, you get more that when you're pregnant, you get more that when you're pregnant, you get more enjoyment out of sugar. It's like your enjoyment out of sugar. It's like your enjoyment out of sugar. It's like your brain rewires and you get more dopamine brain rewires and you get more dopamine brain rewires and you get more dopamine when you eat sugar than before. when you eat sugar than before. when you eat sugar than before. >> I don't even need to get pregnant to >> I don't even need to get pregnant to >> I don't even need to get pregnant to know that. I'm like sugar is like my my know that. I'm like sugar is like my my know that. I'm like sugar is like my my uh what do you call it? It's like my not uh what do you call it? It's like my not uh what do you call it? It's like my not guilty pleasure. It's it's like my guilty pleasure. It's it's like my guilty pleasure. It's it's like my kryptonite. Yeah, my that's the right kryptonite. Yeah, my that's the right kryptonite. Yeah, my that's the right word. word. word. >> It's taken me years to train myself over >> It's taken me years to train myself over >> It's taken me years to train myself over with sugar. with sugar. with sugar. >> So imagine when you're pregnant, your >> So imagine when you're pregnant, your >> So imagine when you're pregnant, your brain is like Well, the animal studies brain is like Well, the animal studies brain is like Well, the animal studies show that your brain might be just more show that your brain might be just more show that your brain might be just more sensitive. So the same cookie sensitive. So the same cookie sensitive. So the same cookie >> is bringing you more enjoyment. So it's >> is bringing you more enjoyment. So it's >> is bringing you more enjoyment. So it's like it's intense. You have to deal with like it's intense. You have to deal with like it's intense. You have to deal with that. that. that. >> Gosh. >> Gosh. >> Gosh. >> And then there's society telling you, >> And then there's society telling you, >> And then there's society telling you, "Oh, you're pregnant. Eat for two." You "Oh, you're pregnant. Eat for two." You "Oh, you're pregnant. Eat for two." You know, have more sugar, have a cookie, know, have more sugar, have a cookie, know, have more sugar, have a cookie, etc. etc. etc. >> What are you actually eating for? That >> What are you actually eating for? That >> What are you actually eating for? That idea of you're eating for two. idea of you're eating for two. idea of you're eating for two. >> Are you just eating for one? Like why >> Are you just eating for one? Like why >> Are you just eating for one? Like why why is it a why is it a why is it a >> You're eating for like 1.2, >> You're eating for like 1.2, >> You're eating for like 1.2, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So >> So >> So >> So the double is a mistake because you >> So the double is a mistake because you >> So the double is a mistake because you could overdose on the sugar and could overdose on the sugar and could overdose on the sugar and >> it's a total myth. Like for example, for >> it's a total myth. Like for example, for >> it's a total myth. Like for example, for glucose, so glucose comes from carbs. So glucose, so glucose comes from carbs. So glucose, so glucose comes from carbs. So like bread, pasta, rice, or cake, and like bread, pasta, rice, or cake, and like bread, pasta, rice, or cake, and fruit. Those are foods that contain fruit. Those are foods that contain fruit. Those are foods that contain glucose. They're called carbohydrates, glucose. They're called carbohydrates, glucose. They're called carbohydrates, carbs. You might think, "Oh, I'm carbs. You might think, "Oh, I'm carbs. You might think, "Oh, I'm pregnant. I need to eat like way more pregnant. I need to eat like way more pregnant. I need to eat like way more pasta, way more sugar." You don't. The pasta, way more sugar." You don't. The pasta, way more sugar." You don't. The studies show us that in the very end of studies show us that in the very end of studies show us that in the very end of pregnancy, when your baby's about to be pregnancy, when your baby's about to be pregnancy, when your baby's about to be born, so he's as big as he's going to born, so he's as big as he's going to born, so he's as big as he's going to get. He only needs a very small amount get. He only needs a very small amount get. He only needs a very small amount of glucose per day, 70 gram of glucose of glucose per day, 70 gram of glucose of glucose per day, 70 gram of glucose per day. That's about the amount of per day. That's about the amount of per day. That's about the amount of glucose in a cup and a half of rice. M glucose in a cup and a half of rice. M glucose in a cup and a half of rice. M >> that's it. At the very end of pregnancy, >> that's it. At the very end of pregnancy, >> that's it. At the very end of pregnancy, you need one cup and a half of rice you need one cup and a half of rice you need one cup and a half of rice extra per day. And at the at the extra per day. And at the at the extra per day. And at the at the beginning of pregnancy, you need no beginning of pregnancy, you need no beginning of pregnancy, you need no extra glucose. Second trimester, very extra glucose. Second trimester, very extra glucose. Second trimester, very little. So, we need to tell people about little. So, we need to tell people about little. So, we need to tell people about this very important information. And you this very important information. And you this very important information. And you might think, Jay, okay, well, if a baby might think, Jay, okay, well, if a baby might think, Jay, okay, well, if a baby needs 70 gram of glucose, surely he just needs 70 gram of glucose, surely he just needs 70 gram of glucose, surely he just takes that and he doesn't take more. takes that and he doesn't take more. takes that and he doesn't take more. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> This is another misconception. Your baby >> This is another misconception. Your baby >> This is another misconception. Your baby does not just take what he needs. Your does not just take what he needs. Your does not just take what he needs. Your baby takes what is there. If there's baby takes what is there. If there's baby takes what is there. If there's more glucose in your bloodstream than he more glucose in your bloodstream than he more glucose in your bloodstream than he needs, he's going to also register more needs, he's going to also register more needs, he's going to also register more glucose in his body than what he needs. glucose in his body than what he needs. glucose in his body than what he needs. >> So that's why we see that at birth, some >> So that's why we see that at birth, some >> So that's why we see that at birth, some babies have super super high glucose babies have super super high glucose babies have super super high glucose levels and others have normal glucose levels and others have normal glucose levels and others have normal glucose levels because it's all dependent on the levels because it's all dependent on the levels because it's all dependent on the mom's own glucose levels. You're mom's own glucose levels. You're mom's own glucose levels. You're connected. connected. connected. >> You're connected. It's like if it's high >> You're connected. It's like if it's high >> You're connected. It's like if it's high in your blood, it's going to be high in in your blood, it's going to be high in in your blood, it's going to be high in your baby's blood. If it's low in your your baby's blood. If it's low in your your baby's blood. If it's low in your blood, it's going to be low in your blood, it's going to be low in your blood, it's going to be low in your baby's blood. If you don't eat any eggs baby's blood. If you don't eat any eggs baby's blood. If you don't eat any eggs or any choline whatsoever, your baby's or any choline whatsoever, your baby's or any choline whatsoever, your baby's not going to get enough. And that's the not going to get enough. And that's the not going to get enough. And that's the whole point. You have to learn about whole point. You have to learn about whole point. You have to learn about this stuff because nobody's telling you, this stuff because nobody's telling you, this stuff because nobody's telling you, unfortunately. unfortunately. unfortunately. >> Yeah. I can't I can't believe that this >> Yeah. I can't I can't believe that this >> Yeah. I can't I can't believe that this hasn't become necessary learning in hasn't become necessary learning in hasn't become necessary learning in life. I remember people always talk life. I remember people always talk life. I remember people always talk about this idea of you go to the about this idea of you go to the about this idea of you go to the hospital, you give birth, and then you hospital, you give birth, and then you hospital, you give birth, and then you come home with a human being, and come home with a human being, and come home with a human being, and there's no exam, there's no test, there's no exam, there's no test, there's no exam, there's no test, there's no education. You know, we we there's no education. You know, we we there's no education. You know, we we obviously have to take a driving test, obviously have to take a driving test, obviously have to take a driving test, right? We we take exams to get jobs. It right? We we take exams to get jobs. It right? We we take exams to get jobs. It just feels like having a baby feels just feels like having a baby feels just feels like having a baby feels bigger and harder than all of those bigger and harder than all of those bigger and harder than all of those things. things. things. >> I think you'd think that because it's >> I think you'd think that because it's >> I think you'd think that because it's biological, you just know how to do it. biological, you just know how to do it. biological, you just know how to do it. 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There's a limit because biology a point. There's a limit because biology will always favor the mom staying alive. will always favor the mom staying alive. will always favor the mom staying alive. So, all of the mom's choline is going to So, all of the mom's choline is going to So, all of the mom's choline is going to get given to the baby, but up to a get given to the baby, but up to a get given to the baby, but up to a point, the mom's muscle mass is going to point, the mom's muscle mass is going to point, the mom's muscle mass is going to start shedding to give the baby protein. start shedding to give the baby protein. start shedding to give the baby protein. The mom's omega-3 reserves are going to The mom's omega-3 reserves are going to The mom's omega-3 reserves are going to go all to the baby. But again, with a go all to the baby. But again, with a go all to the baby. But again, with a limit, like if you don't eat any of limit, like if you don't eat any of limit, like if you don't eat any of these foods, your baby will not get these foods, your baby will not get these foods, your baby will not get enough, quite simply. Um, and I mean, enough, quite simply. Um, and I mean, enough, quite simply. Um, and I mean, same with sugar, right? It's like if you same with sugar, right? It's like if you same with sugar, right? It's like if you eat a lot of sugar, your baby's going to eat a lot of sugar, your baby's going to eat a lot of sugar, your baby's going to be processing a lot of sugar. Now, be processing a lot of sugar. Now, be processing a lot of sugar. Now, humans are resilient and nature has a humans are resilient and nature has a humans are resilient and nature has a way. And so, the baby will probably be way. And so, the baby will probably be way. And so, the baby will probably be fine, probably, fine, probably, fine, probably, >> but you're silently setting up that baby >> but you're silently setting up that baby >> but you're silently setting up that baby for more vulnerability. You're silently for more vulnerability. You're silently for more vulnerability. You're silently programming his genes a bit more towards programming his genes a bit more towards programming his genes a bit more towards disease. You're probably shaping his disease. You're probably shaping his disease. You're probably shaping his brain in a way that's not optimal. For brain in a way that's not optimal. For brain in a way that's not optimal. For example, the brain. So today, Jay, you example, the brain. So today, Jay, you example, the brain. So today, Jay, you have about a 100red billion neurons in have about a 100red billion neurons in have about a 100red billion neurons in your brain. your brain. your brain. >> Can you feel them? >> Can you feel them? >> Can you feel them? >> No. [laughter] >> No. [laughter] >> No. [laughter] >> I hope they're there. >> I hope they're there. >> I hope they're there. >> So you have about a 100red billion >> So you have about a 100red billion >> So you have about a 100red billion neurons, and these are the brain cells neurons, and these are the brain cells neurons, and these are the brain cells that connect information, that process that connect information, that process that connect information, that process information. information. information. >> These are the same neurons that you had >> These are the same neurons that you had >> These are the same neurons that you had the day you were born. the day you were born. the day you were born. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Neurons never get replaced. They stay >> Neurons never get replaced. They stay >> Neurons never get replaced. They stay with you from the moment you're born with you from the moment you're born with you from the moment you're born until you die. until you die. until you die. >> So they're getting older. >> So they're getting older. >> So they're getting older. >> They're getting older. And most >> They're getting older. And most >> They're getting older. And most importantly, all your neurons, give or importantly, all your neurons, give or importantly, all your neurons, give or take 5%, were created when your mom was take 5%, were created when your mom was take 5%, were created when your mom was pregnant with you. And choline and pregnant with you. And choline and pregnant with you. And choline and omega-3s are super important to creating omega-3s are super important to creating omega-3s are super important to creating those neurons. And so depending on how those neurons. And so depending on how those neurons. And so depending on how much choline and omega-3s your mom was much choline and omega-3s your mom was much choline and omega-3s your mom was having, your brain will be shaped having, your brain will be shaped having, your brain will be shaped differently. In the studies on animals, differently. In the studies on animals, differently. In the studies on animals, again, because we can't do this in again, because we can't do this in again, because we can't do this in humans, scientists will reduce the humans, scientists will reduce the humans, scientists will reduce the amount of choline and omega-3s in the amount of choline and omega-3s in the amount of choline and omega-3s in the mom's diet. And then when the baby's mom's diet. And then when the baby's mom's diet. And then when the baby's born, they look at the brains very very born, they look at the brains very very born, they look at the brains very very closely under the microscope and they closely under the microscope and they closely under the microscope and they see that if there's very low levels of see that if there's very low levels of see that if there's very low levels of choline, the babies have fewer neurons choline, the babies have fewer neurons choline, the babies have fewer neurons and a smaller brain. and a smaller brain. and a smaller brain. >> And they see that if the baby had lower >> And they see that if the baby had lower >> And they see that if the baby had lower very low levels of omega-3s in the womb, very low levels of omega-3s in the womb, very low levels of omega-3s in the womb, when they put the baby through some when they put the baby through some when they put the baby through some tests to see intelligence and how tests to see intelligence and how tests to see intelligence and how quickly they can get out of mazes, for quickly they can get out of mazes, for quickly they can get out of mazes, for example, the babies with very low example, the babies with very low example, the babies with very low omega-3s in the womb take four times as omega-3s in the womb take four times as omega-3s in the womb take four times as long to find the maze exit. So, you long to find the maze exit. So, you long to find the maze exit. So, you probably don't know it, but you're probably don't know it, but you're probably don't know it, but you're walking around with a brain that has a walking around with a brain that has a walking around with a brain that has a few cracks because of [laughter] your few cracks because of [laughter] your few cracks because of [laughter] your mom not having enough choline and DHA. mom not having enough choline and DHA. mom not having enough choline and DHA. >> Why? Why are you assuming that? >> Why? Why are you assuming that? >> Why? Why are you assuming that? >> And listen, me too, >> And listen, me too, >> And listen, me too, >> right? Most of our moms were a >> right? Most of our moms were a >> right? Most of our moms were a generation that was not given this generation that was not given this generation that was not given this information and again the food system information and again the food system information and again the food system has been failing them. has been failing them. has been failing them. >> Do you recommend people getting those >> Do you recommend people getting those >> Do you recommend people getting those from supplements or from food? And what from supplements or from food? And what from supplements or from food? And what does that look like? does that look like? does that look like? >> Food is always better absorbed and >> Food is always better absorbed and >> Food is always better absorbed and always cheaper. However, if you don't always cheaper. However, if you don't always cheaper. However, if you don't eat any animal foods, you should take eat any animal foods, you should take eat any animal foods, you should take the supplements. It's just going to be the supplements. It's just going to be the supplements. It's just going to be much easier. For example, choline. So, much easier. For example, choline. So, much easier. For example, choline. So, four eggs a day is the amount you need four eggs a day is the amount you need four eggs a day is the amount you need um for your baby. If you're vegan, that um for your baby. If you're vegan, that um for your baby. If you're vegan, that would mean you have to eat 8 pounds of would mean you have to eat 8 pounds of would mean you have to eat 8 pounds of soy beans per day. 8 pounds to get soy beans per day. 8 pounds to get soy beans per day. 8 pounds to get enough choline. So, take a supplement. enough choline. So, take a supplement. enough choline. So, take a supplement. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It'll be way way easier. Way easier. For >> It'll be way way easier. Way easier. For >> It'll be way way easier. Way easier. For omega-3s, you can only find them in fish omega-3s, you can only find them in fish omega-3s, you can only find them in fish or in algae or krill. So, if you're or in algae or krill. So, if you're or in algae or krill. So, if you're vegan, you want to take um some vegan, you want to take um some vegan, you want to take um some supplements made from algae. supplements made from algae. supplements made from algae. >> Now, I still supplemented with extra >> Now, I still supplemented with extra >> Now, I still supplemented with extra omega-3s and extra choline omega-3s and extra choline omega-3s and extra choline >> just because I wanted to put as much as >> just because I wanted to put as much as >> just because I wanted to put as much as I could there. I could there. I could there. >> But supplements are great, but again, >> But supplements are great, but again, >> But supplements are great, but again, like if you're only supplementing, like if you're only supplementing, like if you're only supplementing, the molecules are still going to be a the molecules are still going to be a the molecules are still going to be a bit less well absorbed than if you take bit less well absorbed than if you take bit less well absorbed than if you take the real food. Is there any way of the real food. Is there any way of the real food. Is there any way of knowing whether all of what you did has knowing whether all of what you did has knowing whether all of what you did has helped your son? helped your son? helped your son? >> I mean, he's wonderful. He's very smart, >> I mean, he's wonderful. He's very smart, >> I mean, he's wonderful. He's very smart, super awake, like a which means like super awake, like a which means like super awake, like a which means like just, you know, just, you know, just, you know, >> he's he's really present. Is there any >> he's he's really present. Is there any >> he's he's really present. Is there any way I could know? I don't think so. way I could know? I don't think so. way I could know? I don't think so. >> There's nothing right now that you can >> There's nothing right now that you can >> There's nothing right now that you can test or know from to to know that it's test or know from to to know that it's test or know from to to know that it's had a positive impact. had a positive impact. had a positive impact. >> Well, in the studies, they can test >> Well, in the studies, they can test >> Well, in the studies, they can test this. For example, they take two groups this. For example, they take two groups this. For example, they take two groups of moms. One group they supplement with of moms. One group they supplement with of moms. One group they supplement with choline and the other group with a bit choline and the other group with a bit choline and the other group with a bit less choline. What they do is they less choline. What they do is they less choline. What they do is they measure the kids reaction time on these measure the kids reaction time on these measure the kids reaction time on these computer tests in the first year of computer tests in the first year of computer tests in the first year of life. And the reason scientists do this life. And the reason scientists do this life. And the reason scientists do this test is because it correlates to adult test is because it correlates to adult test is because it correlates to adult IQ. And they see that babies developing IQ. And they see that babies developing IQ. And they see that babies developing in the womb with more choline have in the womb with more choline have in the womb with more choline have faster reaction times on that test. faster reaction times on that test. faster reaction times on that test. Meaning they probably are going to have Meaning they probably are going to have Meaning they probably are going to have higher adult IQ. But me personally, higher adult IQ. But me personally, higher adult IQ. But me personally, there's nothing I can do there's nothing I can do there's nothing I can do >> because I'm not designing a perfect >> because I'm not designing a perfect >> because I'm not designing a perfect experiment. I didn't clone myself and experiment. I didn't clone myself and experiment. I didn't clone myself and say, "Okay, Jesse A is gonna do this say, "Okay, Jesse A is gonna do this say, "Okay, Jesse A is gonna do this diet, Jesse B this diet, same baby, and diet, Jesse B this diet, same baby, and diet, Jesse B this diet, same baby, and we're gonna see what happens." we're gonna see what happens." we're gonna see what happens." >> I have no idea. >> I have no idea. >> I have no idea. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And pregnancy is not everything, right? >> And pregnancy is not everything, right? >> And pregnancy is not everything, right? If my son decides all he's going to eat If my son decides all he's going to eat If my son decides all he's going to eat for the rest of his life is Nutella and for the rest of his life is Nutella and for the rest of his life is Nutella and orange juice, he's probably going to get orange juice, he's probably going to get orange juice, he's probably going to get diabetes. diabetes. diabetes. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, it is an important window of >> So, it is an important window of >> So, it is an important window of calibration, but I don't know what's calibration, but I don't know what's calibration, but I don't know what's going to happen. I just know that as his going to happen. I just know that as his going to happen. I just know that as his mom, I was lucky enough to find this mom, I was lucky enough to find this mom, I was lucky enough to find this information and I feel like I did information and I feel like I did information and I feel like I did everything that I could to try to set everything that I could to try to set everything that I could to try to set him up as well as I could, him up as well as I could, him up as well as I could, >> but I don't know. >> but I don't know. >> but I don't know. >> No, no, absolutely. Of course. And >> No, no, absolutely. Of course. And >> No, no, absolutely. Of course. And that's you're always trying to do the that's you're always trying to do the that's you're always trying to do the best you can do. What are the foods that best you can do. What are the foods that best you can do. What are the foods that >> mothers when they're pregnant need to >> mothers when they're pregnant need to >> mothers when they're pregnant need to avoid? avoid? avoid? >> Well, I would say the classic ones. So, >> Well, I would say the classic ones. So, >> Well, I would say the classic ones. So, alcohol is one. There was some debate a alcohol is one. There was some debate a alcohol is one. There was some debate a few years ago around, oh, maybe alcohol few years ago around, oh, maybe alcohol few years ago around, oh, maybe alcohol is not that bad. The thing is, when you is not that bad. The thing is, when you is not that bad. The thing is, when you understand how the biology of it all understand how the biology of it all understand how the biology of it all works, if you drink a glass of wine when works, if you drink a glass of wine when works, if you drink a glass of wine when you're pregnant and your blood alcohol you're pregnant and your blood alcohol you're pregnant and your blood alcohol level goes up, your baby's blood alcohol level goes up, your baby's blood alcohol level goes up, your baby's blood alcohol level in your uterus also goes up by the level in your uterus also goes up by the level in your uterus also goes up by the same amount. So, when people say, "Oh, same amount. So, when people say, "Oh, same amount. So, when people say, "Oh, glass of wine is fine during pregnancy." glass of wine is fine during pregnancy." glass of wine is fine during pregnancy." I'm like, "When your baby's born, would I'm like, "When your baby's born, would I'm like, "When your baby's born, would you give him red wine in his bottle?" you give him red wine in his bottle?" you give him red wine in his bottle?" No, you're doing the same thing. No, you're doing the same thing. No, you're doing the same thing. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> And what impact does that have? Well, we >> And what impact does that have? Well, we >> And what impact does that have? Well, we know that very high alcohol levels can know that very high alcohol levels can know that very high alcohol levels can lead to proper proper proper health lead to proper proper proper health lead to proper proper proper health conditions with babies born with a lot conditions with babies born with a lot conditions with babies born with a lot of disability, but the one glass a day, of disability, but the one glass a day, of disability, but the one glass a day, we don't really know. It seems to be we don't really know. It seems to be we don't really know. It seems to be fine, but what's happening in the brain, fine, but what's happening in the brain, fine, but what's happening in the brain, we're not sure. In animal studies, they we're not sure. In animal studies, they we're not sure. In animal studies, they they show that even the equivalent of they show that even the equivalent of they show that even the equivalent of one glass a day leads the brain forming one glass a day leads the brain forming one glass a day leads the brain forming differently than it should. So, that's differently than it should. So, that's differently than it should. So, that's one thing. Another thing to avoid, I one thing. Another thing to avoid, I one thing. Another thing to avoid, I mean, cigarettes, all drugs, toxic mean, cigarettes, all drugs, toxic mean, cigarettes, all drugs, toxic chemicals if you can, because again, chemicals if you can, because again, chemicals if you can, because again, they go into your baby's bloodstream. they go into your baby's bloodstream. they go into your baby's bloodstream. >> What kind of toxic chemicals are the >> What kind of toxic chemicals are the >> What kind of toxic chemicals are the ones we don't think about, the ones that ones we don't think about, the ones that ones we don't think about, the ones that you had to really clear out? you had to really clear out? you had to really clear out? >> That's a good question. I think the big >> That's a good question. I think the big >> That's a good question. I think the big ones is like asbestos, mold, um, ones is like asbestos, mold, um, ones is like asbestos, mold, um, >> cleaning. >> cleaning. >> cleaning. So, there's no studies on those, but So, there's no studies on those, but So, there's no studies on those, but yeah, probably. It's a good idea. I try yeah, probably. It's a good idea. I try yeah, probably. It's a good idea. I try to clean everything with vinegar. to clean everything with vinegar. to clean everything with vinegar. >> I either drink it or I clean with it. >> I either drink it or I clean with it. >> I either drink it or I clean with it. >> That's a good idea. I also was very >> That's a good idea. I also was very >> That's a good idea. I also was very careful with plastics. So, I was wearing careful with plastics. So, I was wearing careful with plastics. So, I was wearing Invisalign, you know, the teeth Invisalign, you know, the teeth Invisalign, you know, the teeth retainers, and I took them out during retainers, and I took them out during retainers, and I took them out during pregnancy because I saw some studies pregnancy because I saw some studies pregnancy because I saw some studies that show that there's minuscule amounts that show that there's minuscule amounts that show that there's minuscule amounts of plastic that can be leeching into of plastic that can be leeching into of plastic that can be leeching into your body. So, I thought, might as well your body. So, I thought, might as well your body. So, I thought, might as well be safe. But again, this is very early be safe. But again, this is very early be safe. But again, this is very early stuff. stuff. stuff. >> So, even drinking from a plastic water >> So, even drinking from a plastic water >> So, even drinking from a plastic water bottle, for example, bottle, for example, bottle, for example, >> I try to avoid that for myself also cuz >> I try to avoid that for myself also cuz >> I try to avoid that for myself also cuz the microplastics, you want to avoid the microplastics, you want to avoid the microplastics, you want to avoid heating plastic in the microwave or heating plastic in the microwave or heating plastic in the microwave or eating out of a warm or hot plastic eating out of a warm or hot plastic eating out of a warm or hot plastic container. Plastic bottles are a big big container. Plastic bottles are a big big container. Plastic bottles are a big big one. So I have I I lose it all the time, one. So I have I I lose it all the time, one. So I have I I lose it all the time, but I buy a nice aluminum water bottle but I buy a nice aluminum water bottle but I buy a nice aluminum water bottle and then I lose it after four days. I and then I lose it after four days. I and then I lose it after four days. I have to buy another one, but I try to have to buy another one, but I try to have to buy another one, but I try to drink out of those for sure. drink out of those for sure. drink out of those for sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then [clears throat] a big one we >> And then [clears throat] a big one we >> And then [clears throat] a big one we don't think about is like don't think about is like don't think about is like >> sugar. That's something that goes >> sugar. That's something that goes >> sugar. That's something that goes directly into your baby's bloodstream directly into your baby's bloodstream directly into your baby's bloodstream that your baby also has to deal with. that your baby also has to deal with. that your baby also has to deal with. >> So I did all this work on glucose, >> So I did all this work on glucose, >> So I did all this work on glucose, right? Maybe we can go back to that a right? Maybe we can go back to that a right? Maybe we can go back to that a little bit because I think the parallels little bit because I think the parallels little bit because I think the parallels between adults glucose levels and the between adults glucose levels and the between adults glucose levels and the baby are interesting. So baby are interesting. So baby are interesting. So glucose is our body's favorite source of glucose is our body's favorite source of glucose is our body's favorite source of energy. All the cells in our body use it energy. All the cells in our body use it energy. All the cells in our body use it for energy. So our fingers for to move, for energy. So our fingers for to move, for energy. So our fingers for to move, our hearts to pump, our brains to think, our hearts to pump, our brains to think, our hearts to pump, our brains to think, etc. And we give glucose by eating etc. And we give glucose by eating etc. And we give glucose by eating carbs, which I explained starches like carbs, which I explained starches like carbs, which I explained starches like bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, or sugars bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, or sugars bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, or sugars like apple juice and chocolate cake. like apple juice and chocolate cake. like apple juice and chocolate cake. [gasps] We talked about this in our [gasps] We talked about this in our [gasps] We talked about this in our previous episode, but if you give your previous episode, but if you give your previous episode, but if you give your body too much glucose, you get what's body too much glucose, you get what's body too much glucose, you get what's called a glucose spike. And these are called a glucose spike. And these are called a glucose spike. And these are not good to not good to not good to >> ask you about this. >> ask you about this. >> ask you about this. >> And these are not good because they >> And these are not good because they >> And these are not good because they increase inflammation and they lead to increase inflammation and they lead to increase inflammation and they lead to your body needing to turn that glucose your body needing to turn that glucose your body needing to turn that glucose into fat to protect itself from the high into fat to protect itself from the high into fat to protect itself from the high glucose levels. And then after the spike glucose levels. And then after the spike glucose levels. And then after the spike comes the crash and lots of glucose comes the crash and lots of glucose comes the crash and lots of glucose spikes over time can lead to many spikes over time can lead to many spikes over time can lead to many symptoms and consequences. So when symptoms and consequences. So when symptoms and consequences. So when you're pregnant, you're pregnant, you're pregnant, your baby, his bloodstream and your your baby, his bloodstream and your your baby, his bloodstream and your bloodstream are pretty much connected. bloodstream are pretty much connected. bloodstream are pretty much connected. There's no filter. So when you have a There's no filter. So when you have a There's no filter. So when you have a glucose spike, your baby inside your glucose spike, your baby inside your glucose spike, your baby inside your uterus also has a glucose spike. uterus also has a glucose spike. uterus also has a glucose spike. >> And what's that training the baby's body >> And what's that training the baby's body >> And what's that training the baby's body to do? to do? to do? >> Well, it does exactly what you do. >> Well, it does exactly what you do. >> Well, it does exactly what you do. Meaning, it registers inflammation and Meaning, it registers inflammation and Meaning, it registers inflammation and it also has to deal with the spike. it also has to deal with the spike. it also has to deal with the spike. >> So it has to crash. >> So it has to crash. >> So it has to crash. >> Yeah. And it has to turn the glucose >> Yeah. And it has to turn the glucose >> Yeah. And it has to turn the glucose into fat to manage the spike. So your into fat to manage the spike. So your into fat to manage the spike. So your baby's body as he's developing is like, baby's body as he's developing is like, baby's body as he's developing is like, "Oh, glucose spike. Okay, I'll take some "Oh, glucose spike. Okay, I'll take some "Oh, glucose spike. Okay, I'll take some glucose that I need, but the glucose I glucose that I need, but the glucose I glucose that I need, but the glucose I don't need. I'm going to store it as don't need. I'm going to store it as don't need. I'm going to store it as fat." And that's why we see that baby's fat." And that's why we see that baby's fat." And that's why we see that baby's fat mass at birth is perfectly fat mass at birth is perfectly fat mass at birth is perfectly correlated to the mother's glucose correlated to the mother's glucose correlated to the mother's glucose levels. So the higher your glucose levels. So the higher your glucose levels. So the higher your glucose levels during pregnancy, the more fat levels during pregnancy, the more fat levels during pregnancy, the more fat mass your baby is born. mass your baby is born. mass your baby is born. >> That makes baby's really cute. So, >> That makes baby's really cute. So, >> That makes baby's really cute. So, absolutely super cute. But if there's a absolutely super cute. But if there's a absolutely super cute. But if there's a lot of fat, it's a sign that your baby lot of fat, it's a sign that your baby lot of fat, it's a sign that your baby had to deal with a very high glucose had to deal with a very high glucose had to deal with a very high glucose environment when he was in your belly. environment when he was in your belly. environment when he was in your belly. >> Are they taking energy away from other >> Are they taking energy away from other >> Are they taking energy away from other areas of growth by having to process areas of growth by having to process areas of growth by having to process that? that? that? >> That's a great question. I don't know if >> That's a great question. I don't know if >> That's a great question. I don't know if they're taking energy away, but the main they're taking energy away, but the main they're taking energy away, but the main thing that's going on is that repeated thing that's going on is that repeated thing that's going on is that repeated glucose spikes is increasing glucose spikes is increasing glucose spikes is increasing inflammation. So it's setting them up inflammation. So it's setting them up inflammation. So it's setting them up for having in inflammatory body long for having in inflammatory body long for having in inflammatory body long term. term. term. >> It's doing a few things. Yes. One thing, >> It's doing a few things. Yes. One thing, >> It's doing a few things. Yes. One thing, yes. yes. yes. >> Second thing is it's training their body >> Second thing is it's training their body >> Second thing is it's training their body that to to put on fat like put on fat, that to to put on fat like put on fat, that to to put on fat like put on fat, put on fat, put on fat so that you know put on fat, put on fat so that you know put on fat, put on fat so that you know how to store glucose away quickly. And how to store glucose away quickly. And how to store glucose away quickly. And so in animals we see that high sugar so in animals we see that high sugar so in animals we see that high sugar diets during pregnancy means that the diets during pregnancy means that the diets during pregnancy means that the babies have these switches activated on babies have these switches activated on babies have these switches activated on the genes for storing fat. the genes for storing fat. the genes for storing fat. >> So they are set up, they're calibrated >> So they are set up, they're calibrated >> So they are set up, they're calibrated to be really good at storing fat. And we to be really good at storing fat. And we to be really good at storing fat. And we all have friends who eat the same diet all have friends who eat the same diet all have friends who eat the same diet as another friend, but one friend puts as another friend, but one friend puts as another friend, but one friend puts on much more weight than the other. on much more weight than the other. on much more weight than the other. >> And then the other thing that happens, >> And then the other thing that happens, >> And then the other thing that happens, Jay, has to do with your baby's brain. Jay, has to do with your baby's brain. Jay, has to do with your baby's brain. And this is a entire incredible And this is a entire incredible And this is a entire incredible universe. So, as I said, all of your universe. So, as I said, all of your universe. So, as I said, all of your neurons are being built during neurons are being built during neurons are being built during pregnancy. And so, you have the neurons pregnancy. And so, you have the neurons pregnancy. And so, you have the neurons in your brain. Pew pew. Lots of neurons in your brain. Pew pew. Lots of neurons in your brain. Pew pew. Lots of neurons being created. being created. being created. 250,000 neurons per minute during 250,000 neurons per minute during 250,000 neurons per minute during pregnancy. Okay? But that's not all. In pregnancy. Okay? But that's not all. In pregnancy. Okay? But that's not all. In your baby's brain, there's also another your baby's brain, there's also another your baby's brain, there's also another type of cell. And these cells are called type of cell. And these cells are called type of cell. And these cells are called the micro ga. And they kind of look like the micro ga. And they kind of look like the micro ga. And they kind of look like starfish. They're like, "Hello, micro starfish. They're like, "Hello, micro starfish. They're like, "Hello, micro ga." And they are sort of your baby's ga." And they are sort of your baby's ga." And they are sort of your baby's rangers. They're in your baby's brain as rangers. They're in your baby's brain as rangers. They're in your baby's brain as he's growing his brain. And they detect he's growing his brain. And they detect he's growing his brain. And they detect problems. They say, "Oh, that neuron is problems. They say, "Oh, that neuron is problems. They say, "Oh, that neuron is not shaping out as it should. I'm going not shaping out as it should. I'm going not shaping out as it should. I'm going to go grab it and destroy it. That to go grab it and destroy it. That to go grab it and destroy it. That neuron is not connecting very well or it neuron is not connecting very well or it neuron is not connecting very well or it looks a bit weird. I'm going to go grab looks a bit weird. I'm going to go grab looks a bit weird. I'm going to go grab it and destroy it." Mhm. it and destroy it." Mhm. it and destroy it." Mhm. >> So the micro ga the little starfish >> So the micro ga the little starfish >> So the micro ga the little starfish patrols are pruning your baby's neurons patrols are pruning your baby's neurons patrols are pruning your baby's neurons to eliminate all the damaged ones. Now to eliminate all the damaged ones. Now to eliminate all the damaged ones. Now the problem is when we have high the problem is when we have high the problem is when we have high inflammation levels in a baby's body inflammation levels in a baby's body inflammation levels in a baby's body >> due one of the causes couldn't be the >> due one of the causes couldn't be the >> due one of the causes couldn't be the high glucose levels. These microglea high glucose levels. These microglea high glucose levels. These microglea >> they kind of freak out and they become >> they kind of freak out and they become >> they kind of freak out and they become overactive. overactive. overactive. >> So they start pruning neurons that >> So they start pruning neurons that >> So they start pruning neurons that should not be pruned. So they're killing should not be pruned. So they're killing should not be pruned. So they're killing healthy neurons. They're making healthy neurons. They're making healthy neurons. They're making mistakes. they're going a bit too far in mistakes. they're going a bit too far in mistakes. they're going a bit too far in their role. So, the brain is not being their role. So, the brain is not being their role. So, the brain is not being shaped as optimally as it could. shaped as optimally as it could. shaped as optimally as it could. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And scientists believe that this is why >> And scientists believe that this is why >> And scientists believe that this is why moms who have gational diabetes moms who have gational diabetes moms who have gational diabetes have kids at a 25% have kids at a 25% have kids at a 25% higher risk of developing autism. higher risk of developing autism. higher risk of developing autism. >> This is an association. Yeah, it's >> This is an association. Yeah, it's >> This is an association. Yeah, it's terrifying. So, it's an association. And terrifying. So, it's an association. And terrifying. So, it's an association. And it's actually not just autism, but all it's actually not just autism, but all it's actually not just autism, but all psychiatric disorders are more common in psychiatric disorders are more common in psychiatric disorders are more common in babies of moms who have destational babies of moms who have destational babies of moms who have destational diabetes. And one again, scientists diabetes. And one again, scientists diabetes. And one again, scientists believe it has to do with these believe it has to do with these believe it has to do with these overacting overactive microglea in the overacting overactive microglea in the overacting overactive microglea in the brain. I want to be cautious here brain. I want to be cautious here brain. I want to be cautious here because it's pretty heavy stuff. because it's pretty heavy stuff. because it's pretty heavy stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, what we're talking about here is an >> So, what we're talking about here is an >> So, what we're talking about here is an association. We're not saying association. We're not saying association. We're not saying gestational diabetes causes autism and gestational diabetes causes autism and gestational diabetes causes autism and and still the numbers are very low. For and still the numbers are very low. For and still the numbers are very low. For example, you go from a three in a 100 example, you go from a three in a 100 example, you go from a three in a 100 kids having autism in the general kids having autism in the general kids having autism in the general population to four in 100 kids having population to four in 100 kids having population to four in 100 kids having autism in moms who've had gestational autism in moms who've had gestational autism in moms who've had gestational diabetes. It's an association. The diabetes. It's an association. The diabetes. It's an association. The numbers are still low, but the signal is numbers are still low, but the signal is numbers are still low, but the signal is very strong. This is from studies done very strong. This is from studies done very strong. This is from studies done on tens of millions of moms. This on tens of millions of moms. This on tens of millions of moms. This association remains. association remains. association remains. So listen, it's a very, you know, So listen, it's a very, you know, So listen, it's a very, you know, psychiatric disorders very big topic, psychiatric disorders very big topic, psychiatric disorders very big topic, lots of variables, lots of factors. But lots of variables, lots of factors. But lots of variables, lots of factors. But it seems that perhaps high inflammation it seems that perhaps high inflammation it seems that perhaps high inflammation during pregnancy could be one of many during pregnancy could be one of many during pregnancy could be one of many factors that is relevant in this factors that is relevant in this factors that is relevant in this quest to try to understand these quest to try to understand these quest to try to understand these disorders. So again, it's just shocking disorders. So again, it's just shocking disorders. So again, it's just shocking all the stuff that science knows and all the stuff that science knows and all the stuff that science knows and it's shocking how little parents are it's shocking how little parents are it's shocking how little parents are told. told. told. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's and it's hard >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's and it's hard >> Yeah. Yeah. And it's and it's hard because the way I'm listening to I'm because the way I'm listening to I'm because the way I'm listening to I'm like it feels like so much pressure on like it feels like so much pressure on like it feels like so much pressure on the mom. Like all of this feels like, the mom. Like all of this feels like, the mom. Like all of this feels like, and you've just been through the process and you've just been through the process and you've just been through the process yourself, like it's hard work because yourself, like it's hard work because yourself, like it's hard work because you're almost testing your discipline you're almost testing your discipline you're almost testing your discipline and your willpower at a time when you're and your willpower at a time when you're and your willpower at a time when you're trying to co-create a baby, which you've trying to co-create a baby, which you've trying to co-create a baby, which you've never done before. If it's your first never done before. If it's your first never done before. If it's your first time doing it, if it's your second time, time doing it, if it's your second time, time doing it, if it's your second time, sure, you've had some experience, but it sure, you've had some experience, but it sure, you've had some experience, but it feels like so much. And it feels like feels like so much. And it feels like feels like so much. And it feels like the stress of it. And I think we're kind the stress of it. And I think we're kind the stress of it. And I think we're kind of like this in society. Like today, we of like this in society. Like today, we of like this in society. Like today, we have, in the past, we didn't have have, in the past, we didn't have have, in the past, we didn't have information. Today we have information information. Today we have information information. Today we have information and sometimes more information creates and sometimes more information creates and sometimes more information creates more stress and then we all get to this more stress and then we all get to this more stress and then we all get to this place where we're like all right I'm place where we're like all right I'm place where we're like all right I'm just going to do what I can because I just going to do what I can because I just going to do what I can because I can't handle this but this has real as can't handle this but this has real as can't handle this but this has real as you say in this book these nine months you say in this book these nine months you say in this book these nine months count forever like this has a lifetime count forever like this has a lifetime count forever like this has a lifetime impact so in one sense we can't be as impact so in one sense we can't be as impact so in one sense we can't be as okay I'll do my best because we know okay I'll do my best because we know okay I'll do my best because we know what it takes how do you encourage moms what it takes how do you encourage moms what it takes how do you encourage moms to think about the stress component of to think about the stress component of to think about the stress component of this or which I'm sure you had to this or which I'm sure you had to this or which I'm sure you had to navigate yourself navigate yourself navigate yourself >> yeah I think the first thing we need to >> yeah I think the first thing we need to >> yeah I think the first thing we need to understand this is not the mom's fault understand this is not the mom's fault understand this is not the mom's fault 100% 100% 100% >> 100%. Yeah. >> 100%. Yeah. >> 100%. Yeah. >> Society has, excuse my language, up the >> Society has, excuse my language, up the >> Society has, excuse my language, up the food that is available today, the food food that is available today, the food food that is available today, the food that is cheap, the food that's at the that is cheap, the food that's at the that is cheap, the food that's at the grocery store, the food that they serve grocery store, the food that they serve grocery store, the food that they serve you uh even at the hospital is bad for you uh even at the hospital is bad for you uh even at the hospital is bad for us and it's leading to all sorts of us and it's leading to all sorts of us and it's leading to all sorts of stuff from heart disease to diabetes. I stuff from heart disease to diabetes. I stuff from heart disease to diabetes. I mean people, we're all sick because of mean people, we're all sick because of mean people, we're all sick because of our food system and it's also failing our food system and it's also failing our food system and it's also failing pregnant moms like it's failing pregnant moms like it's failing pregnant moms like it's failing everybody else. everybody else. everybody else. >> And so just like with everything else, >> And so just like with everything else, >> And so just like with everything else, we have to say we are in a bad we have to say we are in a bad we have to say we are in a bad situation. food around us is not helping situation. food around us is not helping situation. food around us is not helping us. What can I do? What are small things us. What can I do? What are small things us. What can I do? What are small things I can do to try to put the odds back in I can do to try to put the odds back in I can do to try to put the odds back in my favor? And just like with my glucose my favor? And just like with my glucose my favor? And just like with my glucose hacks, I teach people how to, you know, hacks, I teach people how to, you know, hacks, I teach people how to, you know, uh reverse diabetes, for example. Here, uh reverse diabetes, for example. Here, uh reverse diabetes, for example. Here, I'm like, okay, ladies, we're in a bad I'm like, okay, ladies, we're in a bad I'm like, okay, ladies, we're in a bad situation. Society is not helping us. situation. Society is not helping us. situation. Society is not helping us. Here are simple things that we can do to Here are simple things that we can do to Here are simple things that we can do to help us navigate this food landscape help us navigate this food landscape help us navigate this food landscape during pregnancy. And Jay, it is a lot during pregnancy. And Jay, it is a lot during pregnancy. And Jay, it is a lot of pressure. Like, you're building a of pressure. Like, you're building a of pressure. Like, you're building a human and I'm never going to be able to human and I'm never going to be able to human and I'm never going to be able to take that pressure away. I felt it, too. take that pressure away. I felt it, too. take that pressure away. I felt it, too. But I'm hoping that with this book, I'm But I'm hoping that with this book, I'm But I'm hoping that with this book, I'm going to lead moms away from like the going to lead moms away from like the going to lead moms away from like the overwhelming Instagram information and overwhelming Instagram information and overwhelming Instagram information and that barrage of like stuff and be like, that barrage of like stuff and be like, that barrage of like stuff and be like, "These are four things that if you do "These are four things that if you do "These are four things that if you do them, you're going to have an outsized them, you're going to have an outsized them, you're going to have an outsized positive effect on your baby's positive effect on your baby's positive effect on your baby's development and long-term health." development and long-term health." development and long-term health." >> Yeah, it's just four things. Yeah, >> Yeah, it's just four things. Yeah, >> Yeah, it's just four things. Yeah, >> it's stressful. It's so stressful to be >> it's stressful. It's so stressful to be >> it's stressful. It's so stressful to be pregnant because no matter what you do, pregnant because no matter what you do, pregnant because no matter what you do, and even now that I have my baby who's and even now that I have my baby who's and even now that I have my baby who's born, I feel like no matter what I do, born, I feel like no matter what I do, born, I feel like no matter what I do, I'm I could have done it better. I'm I'm I could have done it better. I'm I'm I could have done it better. I'm going to feel guilty of this, guilty of going to feel guilty of this, guilty of going to feel guilty of this, guilty of that. Like, it's tough. It's tough. But that. Like, it's tough. It's tough. But that. Like, it's tough. It's tough. But if we go back to science and we go back if we go back to science and we go back if we go back to science and we go back to simple stuff that has a big impact, I to simple stuff that has a big impact, I to simple stuff that has a big impact, I truly believe we can navigate that truly believe we can navigate that truly believe we can navigate that pressure with a bit more ease and pressure with a bit more ease and pressure with a bit more ease and serenity. serenity. serenity. >> And I appreciate you saying it's not, >> And I appreciate you saying it's not, >> And I appreciate you saying it's not, you know, the woman's fault you know, the woman's fault you know, the woman's fault >> because >> because >> because >> biologically, Jay, babies are developing >> biologically, Jay, babies are developing >> biologically, Jay, babies are developing in female bodies in female bodies in female bodies >> and that's just biology, >> and that's just biology, >> and that's just biology, >> but everybody is responsible for the >> but everybody is responsible for the >> but everybody is responsible for the society we live in. We're not going to society we live in. We're not going to society we live in. We're not going to hold the food at the grocery store. hold the food at the grocery store. hold the food at the grocery store. >> So, it's just like this is a biological >> So, it's just like this is a biological >> So, it's just like this is a biological thing as a whole is failing. Governments thing as a whole is failing. Governments thing as a whole is failing. Governments need to be reading this. need to be reading this. need to be reading this. >> We need to be teaching this in medical >> We need to be teaching this in medical >> We need to be teaching this in medical school. Like doctors need to be talking school. Like doctors need to be talking school. Like doctors need to be talking about this. For example, choline that about this. For example, choline that about this. For example, choline that 90% of moms are not getting enough. In 90% of moms are not getting enough. In 90% of moms are not getting enough. In the United States, only 6% of healthcare the United States, only 6% of healthcare the United States, only 6% of healthcare practitioners talk about choline to practitioners talk about choline to practitioners talk about choline to pregnant moms. The surveys show this. So pregnant moms. The surveys show this. So pregnant moms. The surveys show this. So the system is broken and it's the it's the system is broken and it's the it's the system is broken and it's the it's it's so not the mom's fault. It's it's a it's so not the mom's fault. It's it's a it's so not the mom's fault. It's it's a systematic issue and we need to find a systematic issue and we need to find a systematic issue and we need to find a way. way. way. >> Yeah. It's like your doctor's not >> Yeah. It's like your doctor's not >> Yeah. It's like your doctor's not telling you. You go to the grocery telling you. You go to the grocery telling you. You go to the grocery store, it's not available. Obviously you store, it's not available. Obviously you store, it's not available. Obviously you don't know that from your parents. don't know that from your parents. don't know that from your parents. You're you're left in a really really You're you're left in a really really You're you're left in a really really difficult position. I know. I mean is difficult position. I know. I mean is difficult position. I know. I mean is there also a connection between there also a connection between there also a connection between >> and and I'm asking because I genuinely >> and and I'm asking because I genuinely >> and and I'm asking because I genuinely don't know. Is there a connection don't know. Is there a connection don't know. Is there a connection between diet and miscarriage? M. So for between diet and miscarriage? M. So for between diet and miscarriage? M. So for a few core things, so folic acid is one. a few core things, so folic acid is one. a few core things, so folic acid is one. So that's why doctors will always tell So that's why doctors will always tell So that's why doctors will always tell you to take a folic acid supplement you to take a folic acid supplement you to take a folic acid supplement because if you have very low levels, because if you have very low levels, because if you have very low levels, then miscarriage is more likely. But then miscarriage is more likely. But then miscarriage is more likely. But choline is also associated with choline is also associated with choline is also associated with miscarriage when it's too low. And miscarriage when it's too low. And miscarriage when it's too low. And that's something people don't talk that's something people don't talk that's something people don't talk about. And listen, I was eating choline. about. And listen, I was eating choline. about. And listen, I was eating choline. I was taking my folic acid supplement I was taking my folic acid supplement I was taking my folic acid supplement and I still had a miscarriage. So you and I still had a miscarriage. So you and I still had a miscarriage. So you can do your best, but some things are can do your best, but some things are can do your best, but some things are completely out of your control. For completely out of your control. For completely out of your control. For sure. For sure. And the flip side of sure. For sure. And the flip side of sure. For sure. And the flip side of that is that even if you do nothing that is that even if you do nothing that is that even if you do nothing that's in this book, even if you've had that's in this book, even if you've had that's in this book, even if you've had kids before, they're probably going to kids before, they're probably going to kids before, they're probably going to be okay. We're talking about small be okay. We're talking about small be okay. We're talking about small optimizations. We're talking about as as optimizations. We're talking about as as optimizations. We're talking about as as you saw like 3% to 4%. Small stuff. I'm you saw like 3% to 4%. Small stuff. I'm you saw like 3% to 4%. Small stuff. I'm fine. You're fine. You're fine. Our moms fine. You're fine. You're fine. Our moms fine. You're fine. You're fine. Our moms didn't eat any choline, omega-3s, and a didn't eat any choline, omega-3s, and a didn't eat any choline, omega-3s, and a lot of sugar. We're okay. Humans are lot of sugar. We're okay. Humans are lot of sugar. We're okay. Humans are resilient. But if we know this, we need resilient. But if we know this, we need resilient. But if we know this, we need to tell people about it. to tell people about it. to tell people about it. >> Yeah. And and I think it's also as you >> Yeah. And and I think it's also as you >> Yeah. And and I think it's also as you grow older, you actually start to grow older, you actually start to grow older, you actually start to realize how much all these things matter realize how much all these things matter realize how much all these things matter more more more >> when it comes to long-term health. >> when it comes to long-term health. >> when it comes to long-term health. >> Like the vulnerability, you mean? >> Like the vulnerability, you mean? >> Like the vulnerability, you mean? >> Yeah. Like mental health. Like you don't >> Yeah. Like mental health. Like you don't >> Yeah. Like mental health. Like you don't realize this in your 20s or when your realize this in your 20s or when your realize this in your 20s or when your kids a teenager when you know your kids a teenager when you know your kids a teenager when you know your body's doing all the best work. But when body's doing all the best work. But when body's doing all the best work. But when you hit your 40s and your 50s and people you hit your 40s and your 50s and people you hit your 40s and your 50s and people go on, that's when you start to notice, go on, that's when you start to notice, go on, that's when you start to notice, oh, I've had inflammation in my body for oh, I've had inflammation in my body for oh, I've had inflammation in my body for years. People with mental health years. People with mental health years. People with mental health conditions that are based on that. conditions that are based on that. conditions that are based on that. you've when you look at all the impacts you've when you look at all the impacts you've when you look at all the impacts like I appreciate what you're saying like I appreciate what you're saying like I appreciate what you're saying that humans are resilient will survive that humans are resilient will survive that humans are resilient will survive but the reality also is that you start but the reality also is that you start but the reality also is that you start to see the vulnerabilities and the to see the vulnerabilities and the to see the vulnerabilities and the cracks in the body and the mind as we cracks in the body and the mind as we cracks in the body and the mind as we get older that you don't appreciate when get older that you don't appreciate when get older that you don't appreciate when your kids's young and everything your kids's young and everything your kids's young and everything generally generally generally >> hopefully feels healthy and touchwood I >> hopefully feels healthy and touchwood I >> hopefully feels healthy and touchwood I really appreciate you uh sharing your really appreciate you uh sharing your really appreciate you uh sharing your own experience because own experience because own experience because >> I'd say pretty much like 75% of my >> I'd say pretty much like 75% of my >> I'd say pretty much like 75% of my friends who've tried to conceive in the friends who've tried to conceive in the friends who've tried to conceive in the last 24 months have experienced at least last 24 months have experienced at least last 24 months have experienced at least one miscarriage if not more and I feel one miscarriage if not more and I feel one miscarriage if not more and I feel like it's an area that isn't talked like it's an area that isn't talked like it's an area that isn't talked about enough. It isn't shared enough about enough. It isn't shared enough about enough. It isn't shared enough unless you really are really close unless you really are really close unless you really are really close friends with quite a lot of people and friends with quite a lot of people and friends with quite a lot of people and there seems to be at least some pain and there seems to be at least some pain and there seems to be at least some pain and maybe there's even guilt and shame maybe there's even guilt and shame maybe there's even guilt and shame attached to it for many mothers that attached to it for many mothers that attached to it for many mothers that I've spoken to. Talk to me about the I've spoken to. Talk to me about the I've spoken to. Talk to me about the fact that you thought you were doing fact that you thought you were doing fact that you thought you were doing everything right and then you go through everything right and then you go through everything right and then you go through that. What is what is that experience that. What is what is that experience that. What is what is that experience like? like? like? >> So, I'll take you back to the beginning. >> So, I'll take you back to the beginning. >> So, I'll take you back to the beginning. So, I'll tell you the whole story. So, So, I'll tell you the whole story. So, So, I'll tell you the whole story. So, my husband and I decided to try to have my husband and I decided to try to have my husband and I decided to try to have a baby. This was two years ago or a baby. This was two years ago or a baby. This was two years ago or something. And I got pregnant really something. And I got pregnant really something. And I got pregnant really quickly in two months. And I had no no quickly in two months. And I had no no quickly in two months. And I had no no cares in the world. I was just very cares in the world. I was just very cares in the world. I was just very nauseous, but I I I thought everything nauseous, but I I I thought everything nauseous, but I I I thought everything would be fine. So, we go to the first would be fine. So, we go to the first would be fine. So, we go to the first ultrasound and they find a heartbeat. ultrasound and they find a heartbeat. ultrasound and they find a heartbeat. I'm like, "Oh my god, great. My baby's I'm like, "Oh my god, great. My baby's I'm like, "Oh my god, great. My baby's going to be born in December. How going to be born in December. How going to be born in December. How wonderful. Oh man, we've got to move wonderful. Oh man, we've got to move wonderful. Oh man, we've got to move now." You get into the process. now." You get into the process. now." You get into the process. I go back at the 3month mark for the I go back at the 3month mark for the I go back at the 3month mark for the next ultrasound to check everything's next ultrasound to check everything's next ultrasound to check everything's fine and I get to the doctor's office fine and I get to the doctor's office fine and I get to the doctor's office and I lay down and they put this gel on and I lay down and they put this gel on and I lay down and they put this gel on your belly and then they put this weird your belly and then they put this weird your belly and then they put this weird wand thing like wand thing like wand thing like >> to see inside your belly [snorts] >> to see inside your belly [snorts] >> to see inside your belly [snorts] >> and there's there was a screen in front >> and there's there was a screen in front >> and there's there was a screen in front of me that showed me the image in real of me that showed me the image in real of me that showed me the image in real time of what he was seeing. So he put time of what he was seeing. So he put time of what he was seeing. So he put the thing on my belly, turned the the thing on my belly, turned the the thing on my belly, turned the machine on, the image popped up on the machine on, the image popped up on the machine on, the image popped up on the screen and I just I just knew instantly screen and I just I just knew instantly screen and I just I just knew instantly that there was a big problem. The embryo that there was a big problem. The embryo that there was a big problem. The embryo on the image had not grown and it was, on the image had not grown and it was, on the image had not grown and it was, this is kind of a crude image, but it this is kind of a crude image, but it this is kind of a crude image, but it was sort of laying at the bottom of my was sort of laying at the bottom of my was sort of laying at the bottom of my uterus, a little bit like you would see uterus, a little bit like you would see uterus, a little bit like you would see a dead fish at the bottom of an a dead fish at the bottom of an a dead fish at the bottom of an aquarium. Like I could see that it was aquarium. Like I could see that it was aquarium. Like I could see that it was lifeless and just the the ground was lifeless and just the the ground was lifeless and just the the ground was ripped out of under my feet, you know? I ripped out of under my feet, you know? I ripped out of under my feet, you know? I was like, "Oh my god, the embryo is was like, "Oh my god, the embryo is was like, "Oh my god, the embryo is dead." I had experienced what's called a dead." I had experienced what's called a dead." I had experienced what's called a silent miscarriage. Silent being the key silent miscarriage. Silent being the key silent miscarriage. Silent being the key word here, meaning I had no symptoms. word here, meaning I had no symptoms. word here, meaning I had no symptoms. Most people when they have a Most people when they have a Most people when they have a miscarriage, they start bleeding. They miscarriage, they start bleeding. They miscarriage, they start bleeding. They have cramps and the body expulses the have cramps and the body expulses the have cramps and the body expulses the embryo. I had no symptoms. I had been embryo. I had no symptoms. I had been embryo. I had no symptoms. I had been walking around for a month with a dead walking around for a month with a dead walking around for a month with a dead embryo cuz they can see when it stopped embryo cuz they can see when it stopped embryo cuz they can see when it stopped developing. And I had no clue. developing. And I had no clue. developing. And I had no clue. >> No idea. It was so freaking painful. So, >> No idea. It was so freaking painful. So, >> No idea. It was so freaking painful. So, I needed to have a surgery where they I needed to have a surgery where they I needed to have a surgery where they take the embryo out, which was terrible, take the embryo out, which was terrible, take the embryo out, which was terrible, and it brought back all this trauma of and it brought back all this trauma of and it brought back all this trauma of my back. Surgery was just so bad. And my back. Surgery was just so bad. And my back. Surgery was just so bad. And then I I just spiraled and I think I saw then I I just spiraled and I think I saw then I I just spiraled and I think I saw you like 2 weeks after and I was like, you like 2 weeks after and I was like, you like 2 weeks after and I was like, Jay, I'm really not okay. And I felt Jay, I'm really not okay. And I felt Jay, I'm really not okay. And I felt like if emotions could kill me, I'd be like if emotions could kill me, I'd be like if emotions could kill me, I'd be dead. That's the intensity I was feeling dead. That's the intensity I was feeling dead. That's the intensity I was feeling cuz it's not just like you lost their cuz it's not just like you lost their cuz it's not just like you lost their pregnancies. You lost the entire pregnancies. You lost the entire pregnancies. You lost the entire narrative. You lost the life that you narrative. You lost the life that you narrative. You lost the life that you had projected and planned. All of a had projected and planned. All of a had projected and planned. All of a sudden, oh, in December, I'm not going sudden, oh, in December, I'm not going sudden, oh, in December, I'm not going to have a baby. It's so rough. And to have a baby. It's so rough. And to have a baby. It's so rough. And you're I was so scared. Am I going to be you're I was so scared. Am I going to be you're I was so scared. Am I going to be able to get pregnant again? Is this able to get pregnant again? Is this able to get pregnant again? Is this going to happen again? All of a sudden, going to happen again? All of a sudden, going to happen again? All of a sudden, all my friends were pregnant around me all my friends were pregnant around me all my friends were pregnant around me and they were fine. You know, it's just and they were fine. You know, it's just and they were fine. You know, it's just like all of a sudden everybody was like all of a sudden everybody was like all of a sudden everybody was pregnant on Instagram. I felt so so so pregnant on Instagram. I felt so so so pregnant on Instagram. I felt so so so sad and I felt so angry and I didn't sad and I felt so angry and I didn't sad and I felt so angry and I didn't understand why it had happened to me. I understand why it had happened to me. I understand why it had happened to me. I was like, why me? And then I started was like, why me? And then I started was like, why me? And then I started talking to my friends and family. I talking to my friends and family. I talking to my friends and family. I found out that my mom had had found out that my mom had had found out that my mom had had miscarriages and she had never told me. miscarriages and she had never told me. miscarriages and she had never told me. My stepmom, my grandmother, my closest My stepmom, my grandmother, my closest My stepmom, my grandmother, my closest friend, all of a sudden the tongues friend, all of a sudden the tongues friend, all of a sudden the tongues untied. But because I didn't know about untied. But because I didn't know about untied. But because I didn't know about these stories beforehand, I was not these stories beforehand, I was not these stories beforehand, I was not prepared. prepared. prepared. >> I had no clue that this could happen to >> I had no clue that this could happen to >> I had no clue that this could happen to me. Therefore, I fell from so so high. I me. Therefore, I fell from so so high. I me. Therefore, I fell from so so high. I even told people I was pregnant the day even told people I was pregnant the day even told people I was pregnant the day I got the positive pregnancy test. I got the positive pregnancy test. I got the positive pregnancy test. Usually, you wait until 3 months because Usually, you wait until 3 months because Usually, you wait until 3 months because that's when you know it's probably going that's when you know it's probably going that's when you know it's probably going to be okay. I was like, "Oh my god, to be okay. I was like, "Oh my god, to be okay. I was like, "Oh my god, pregnancy test positive." I called up pregnancy test positive." I called up pregnancy test positive." I called up everybody. Oh my god, we're having a everybody. Oh my god, we're having a everybody. Oh my god, we're having a baby. I had no conception. And I'm baby. I had no conception. And I'm baby. I had no conception. And I'm somebody I consider myself pretty well somebody I consider myself pretty well somebody I consider myself pretty well informed, informed, informed, >> but yet I I was I was so lost. And then >> but yet I I was I was so lost. And then >> but yet I I was I was so lost. And then the grief was so deep and so painful, the grief was so deep and so painful, the grief was so deep and so painful, but yet at the same time, I wanted to but yet at the same time, I wanted to but yet at the same time, I wanted to try getting pregnant again. And I was try getting pregnant again. And I was try getting pregnant again. And I was asking myself, asking myself, asking myself, do I have to have fully grieved this do I have to have fully grieved this do I have to have fully grieved this pregnancy before I allow myself to have pregnancy before I allow myself to have pregnancy before I allow myself to have another pregnancy? another pregnancy? another pregnancy? >> And then I realized that that grief was >> And then I realized that that grief was >> And then I realized that that grief was always going to be there and coexist. I always going to be there and coexist. I always going to be there and coexist. I was never going to be able to completely was never going to be able to completely was never going to be able to completely say goodbye to it. So we tried again. I say goodbye to it. So we tried again. I say goodbye to it. So we tried again. I got pregnant again and then followed the got pregnant again and then followed the got pregnant again and then followed the most stressful minds of my life because most stressful minds of my life because most stressful minds of my life because every day I thought maybe there's a every day I thought maybe there's a every day I thought maybe there's a problem and I don't know. problem and I don't know. problem and I don't know. >> You wake up with that feeling. It's the >> You wake up with that feeling. It's the >> You wake up with that feeling. It's the what? what? what? >> Cuz for the first four or five months, >> Cuz for the first four or five months, >> Cuz for the first four or five months, you don't feel the baby. you don't feel the baby. you don't feel the baby. >> So, I was just spiraling. I went to the >> So, I was just spiraling. I went to the >> So, I was just spiraling. I went to the doctor so many times. I was so doctor so many times. I was so doctor so many times. I was so embarrassed wanting I wanted so many embarrassed wanting I wanted so many embarrassed wanting I wanted so many ultrasounds ultrasounds ultrasounds >> that I started seeing two different >> that I started seeing two different >> that I started seeing two different doctors and they didn't know about each doctors and they didn't know about each doctors and they didn't know about each other cuz I felt so embarrassed of how other cuz I felt so embarrassed of how other cuz I felt so embarrassed of how much I wanted to get. I got like 10 much I wanted to get. I got like 10 much I wanted to get. I got like 10 ultrasounds in the first 3 months, four ultrasounds in the first 3 months, four ultrasounds in the first 3 months, four months. 10. Usually, you get like two. months. 10. Usually, you get like two. months. 10. Usually, you get like two. So, anyway, it was terrible and it was So, anyway, it was terrible and it was So, anyway, it was terrible and it was really, really, really painful. Um, and really, really, really painful. Um, and really, really, really painful. Um, and then when my son was born, I felt like I then when my son was born, I felt like I then when my son was born, I felt like I wasn't anxious anymore [laughter] cuz I wasn't anxious anymore [laughter] cuz I wasn't anxious anymore [laughter] cuz I was like, "Okay, he's here. He's alive. was like, "Okay, he's here. He's alive. was like, "Okay, he's here. He's alive. He's okay." But it was a awful He's okay." But it was a awful He's okay." But it was a awful experience. And I wish that more people experience. And I wish that more people experience. And I wish that more people had told me about their own miscarriages had told me about their own miscarriages had told me about their own miscarriages so that I felt a bit less alone. I would so that I felt a bit less alone. I would so that I felt a bit less alone. I would even I would go on Google and be like even I would go on Google and be like even I would go on Google and be like celebrities who have had miscarriages celebrities who have had miscarriages celebrities who have had miscarriages and I saw, oh, Beyonce had a and I saw, oh, Beyonce had a and I saw, oh, Beyonce had a miscarriage. Okay, I feel less alone miscarriage. Okay, I feel less alone miscarriage. Okay, I feel less alone now. That's how much I wanted now. That's how much I wanted now. That's how much I wanted connection. connection. connection. >> That's how how lost I felt. >> That's how how lost I felt. >> That's how how lost I felt. >> Yeah. Gabrielle Union's talked about it >> Yeah. Gabrielle Union's talked about it >> Yeah. Gabrielle Union's talked about it at length her experiences of multiple at length her experiences of multiple at length her experiences of multiple and just yeah it's it's uh gosh I mean and just yeah it's it's uh gosh I mean and just yeah it's it's uh gosh I mean it's you know it's it's one of those it's you know it's it's one of those it's you know it's it's one of those things that like it doesn't matter how things that like it doesn't matter how things that like it doesn't matter how even how common it is it's like the loss even how common it is it's like the loss even how common it is it's like the loss and the grieving and the experience of and the grieving and the experience of and the grieving and the experience of it is so heavy it is so heavy it is so heavy >> and few people know how to hold space >> and few people know how to hold space >> and few people know how to hold space for it. for it. for it. >> Talk to me about that. >> Talk to me about that. >> Talk to me about that. >> You're grieving. You're properly >> You're grieving. You're properly >> You're grieving. You're properly grieving and I think it's one of the grieving and I think it's one of the grieving and I think it's one of the only griefs that people don't know how only griefs that people don't know how only griefs that people don't know how to manage. [clears throat] to manage. [clears throat] to manage. [clears throat] Usually when grief comes up in life, we Usually when grief comes up in life, we Usually when grief comes up in life, we kind of know what to do. We check in kind of know what to do. We check in kind of know what to do. We check in with the person. We say, "Are you okay? with the person. We say, "Are you okay? with the person. We say, "Are you okay? Do you want me to come over?" With Do you want me to come over?" With Do you want me to come over?" With miscarriage grief, it feels different miscarriage grief, it feels different miscarriage grief, it feels different because it's invisible. because it's invisible. because it's invisible. >> Nobody physical died. >> Nobody physical died. >> Nobody physical died. >> And so I got a range of responses from >> And so I got a range of responses from >> And so I got a range of responses from people saying, "Oh, it's just nature people saying, "Oh, it's just nature people saying, "Oh, it's just nature doing its thing. Don't worry." To people doing its thing. Don't worry." To people doing its thing. Don't worry." To people saying like, "Okay, we'll just move on saying like, "Okay, we'll just move on saying like, "Okay, we'll just move on and you know, it'll work next time." It and you know, it'll work next time." It and you know, it'll work next time." It was like, you don't understand. It's not was like, you don't understand. It's not was like, you don't understand. It's not about that. And then there were amazing about that. And then there were amazing about that. And then there were amazing people who also just knew to just hold people who also just knew to just hold people who also just knew to just hold it. But it makes it it makes a lot of us it. But it makes it it makes a lot of us it. But it makes it it makes a lot of us very uncomfortable because we don't know very uncomfortable because we don't know very uncomfortable because we don't know how to handle it. how to handle it. how to handle it. >> And all you really All I really wanted >> And all you really All I really wanted >> And all you really All I really wanted was just people to say, "I'm so sorry. was just people to say, "I'm so sorry. was just people to say, "I'm so sorry. This must be so hard." This must be so hard." This must be so hard." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Can I bring you a chocolate cake? >> Can I bring you a chocolate cake? >> Can I bring you a chocolate cake? >> That's all I wanted. >> That's all I wanted. >> That's all I wanted. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So you It's just like It's just like any >> So you It's just like It's just like any >> So you It's just like It's just like any emotion. You want it to be held better, emotion. You want it to be held better, emotion. You want it to be held better, but but but >> we're not educated. I mean, you do great >> we're not educated. I mean, you do great >> we're not educated. I mean, you do great work to help people know how to how to work to help people know how to how to work to help people know how to how to deal this with emotion and hold it, but deal this with emotion and hold it, but deal this with emotion and hold it, but yeah, it's uh it's rough. yeah, it's uh it's rough. yeah, it's uh it's rough. >> Yeah, it's shocking to me that people >> Yeah, it's shocking to me that people >> Yeah, it's shocking to me that people even still think they can say things even still think they can say things even still think they can say things like, like, like, >> "Oh, we'll just move on. It will work >> "Oh, we'll just move on. It will work >> "Oh, we'll just move on. It will work out." Like, and I get it. It's coming out." Like, and I get it. It's coming out." Like, and I get it. It's coming from a good place. from a good place. from a good place. >> They want to be positive. >> They want to be positive. >> They want to be positive. >> Totally. It's coming from a good place. >> Totally. It's coming from a good place. >> Totally. It's coming from a good place. But it's like I think we're so far past But it's like I think we're so far past But it's like I think we're so far past the thinking that positive outpaces like the thinking that positive outpaces like the thinking that positive outpaces like an a difficult emotion an a difficult emotion an a difficult emotion >> and that you can't just put a band-aid >> and that you can't just put a band-aid >> and that you can't just put a band-aid on it and be happy about it. And and on it and be happy about it. And and on it and be happy about it. And and also just also just also just >> I I think I love what you said. It's >> I I think I love what you said. It's >> I I think I love what you said. It's it's giving people space to tell you how it's giving people space to tell you how it's giving people space to tell you how they feel and what's going on and that they feel and what's going on and that they feel and what's going on and that it is hard and if they say it isn't then it is hard and if they say it isn't then it is hard and if they say it isn't then that's okay, too. But that's okay, too. But that's okay, too. But >> it's it's letting people tell you their >> it's it's letting people tell you their >> it's it's letting people tell you their story. That's all you can do. You can't story. That's all you can do. You can't story. That's all you can do. You can't you're not going to solve it or fix it. you're not going to solve it or fix it. you're not going to solve it or fix it. And I think that's where it comes from. And I think that's where it comes from. And I think that's where it comes from. It's like we want to fix it. We want to It's like we want to fix it. We want to It's like we want to fix it. We want to solve it because it's almost solve it because it's almost solve it because it's almost uncomfortable for us to sit there with uncomfortable for us to sit there with uncomfortable for us to sit there with them. And uh yeah, and I and I and I them. And uh yeah, and I and I and I them. And uh yeah, and I and I and I really am happy that you shared it really am happy that you shared it really am happy that you shared it because I'm hoping that a lot more because I'm hoping that a lot more because I'm hoping that a lot more people who listen to this will also look people who listen to this will also look people who listen to this will also look to you and go, "Wow, like Jesse was to you and go, "Wow, like Jesse was to you and go, "Wow, like Jesse was doing everything right." And still this doing everything right." And still this doing everything right." And still this experience happened. That's the thing. I experience happened. That's the thing. I experience happened. That's the thing. I was doing everything that I knew of. I was doing everything that I knew of. I was doing everything that I knew of. I was taking the supplements. I was eating was taking the supplements. I was eating was taking the supplements. I was eating the eggs. I was doing all the stuff. I the eggs. I was doing all the stuff. I the eggs. I was doing all the stuff. I wasn't doing any of the harmful things wasn't doing any of the harmful things wasn't doing any of the harmful things we know could impact a baby. I was not we know could impact a baby. I was not we know could impact a baby. I was not bungee jumping. I was not drinking bungee jumping. I was not drinking bungee jumping. I was not drinking vodka, you know. vodka, you know. vodka, you know. >> Is there any research to suggest what >> Is there any research to suggest what >> Is there any research to suggest what causes a miscarriage? Does anything causes a miscarriage? Does anything causes a miscarriage? Does anything exist? exist? exist? >> Yeah. So, you kind of see these pie >> Yeah. So, you kind of see these pie >> Yeah. So, you kind of see these pie charts that show you the percentage charts that show you the percentage charts that show you the percentage likelihood. So, maybe it's a nutritional likelihood. So, maybe it's a nutritional likelihood. So, maybe it's a nutritional deficiency like folate or choline. Maybe deficiency like folate or choline. Maybe deficiency like folate or choline. Maybe it's a chromosomeal abnormality, meaning it's a chromosomeal abnormality, meaning it's a chromosomeal abnormality, meaning that the chromosomes in the sperm and that the chromosomes in the sperm and that the chromosomes in the sperm and the egg were slightly messed up. And as the egg were slightly messed up. And as the egg were slightly messed up. And as you age, your eggs and your sperm have you age, your eggs and your sperm have you age, your eggs and your sperm have more abnormalities, which is why more abnormalities, which is why more abnormalities, which is why miscarriage is more common miscarriage is more common miscarriage is more common >> as you advance in age. >> as you advance in age. >> as you advance in age. >> So maybe my egg had a chromosome that >> So maybe my egg had a chromosome that >> So maybe my egg had a chromosome that was missing or a problem. Maybe my was missing or a problem. Maybe my was missing or a problem. Maybe my husband's sperm had a problem in his husband's sperm had a problem in his husband's sperm had a problem in his chromosomes. We don't know, chromosomes. We don't know, chromosomes. We don't know, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> But in a way, it's quote unquote good >> But in a way, it's quote unquote good >> But in a way, it's quote unquote good because a miscarriage means that embryo because a miscarriage means that embryo because a miscarriage means that embryo is probably not viable, is probably not viable, is probably not viable, >> right? Other reasons could be your >> right? Other reasons could be your >> right? Other reasons could be your placenta, which is um the the organ that placenta, which is um the the organ that placenta, which is um the the organ that helps grow the baby. Maybe there was an helps grow the baby. Maybe there was an helps grow the baby. Maybe there was an issue there. Maybe your body was not issue there. Maybe your body was not issue there. Maybe your body was not able to hold on to the pregnancy. And able to hold on to the pregnancy. And able to hold on to the pregnancy. And it's probably a lot of stuff that we it's probably a lot of stuff that we it's probably a lot of stuff that we don't even know about. don't even know about. don't even know about. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But >> But >> But in most cases, you can't control it. And in most cases, you can't control it. And in most cases, you can't control it. And so that's why it's um it's stressful. so that's why it's um it's stressful. so that's why it's um it's stressful. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I I can't >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I I can't >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I I can't imagine it. I mean, imagine it. I mean, imagine it. I mean, >> you have to hold it lightly, you know. >> you have to hold it lightly, you know. >> you have to hold it lightly, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And my therapist said something amazing. >> And my therapist said something amazing. >> And my therapist said something amazing. So when I was pregnant with my son, so So when I was pregnant with my son, so So when I was pregnant with my son, so my second pregnancy and I was like 4 my second pregnancy and I was like 4 my second pregnancy and I was like 4 months in and I was still super months in and I was still super months in and I was still super stressed. I was like, "Well, what if I stressed. I was like, "Well, what if I stressed. I was like, "Well, what if I miscar? What if I lose him?" And she was miscar? What if I lose him?" And she was miscar? What if I lose him?" And she was like, "You [snorts] don't know how long like, "You [snorts] don't know how long like, "You [snorts] don't know how long you're going to have this baby." But for you're going to have this baby." But for you're going to have this baby." But for as long as you have him, you can choose as long as you have him, you can choose as long as you have him, you can choose to love him. M to love him. M to love him. M >> because I was even >> because I was even >> because I was even keeping myself from love and from joy keeping myself from love and from joy keeping myself from love and from joy during my second pregnancy until like during my second pregnancy until like during my second pregnancy until like the fifth month mark because I was so the fifth month mark because I was so the fifth month mark because I was so anxious. anxious. anxious. >> I didn't want to reopen my heart. >> I didn't want to reopen my heart. >> I didn't want to reopen my heart. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I was so scared. >> Cuz I was so scared. >> Cuz I was so scared. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> And after she said that, I was like, >> And after she said that, I was like, >> And after she said that, I was like, "Okay, you know what? Yes, I can allow "Okay, you know what? Yes, I can allow "Okay, you know what? Yes, I can allow myself to love." And love is vulnerable, myself to love." And love is vulnerable, myself to love." And love is vulnerable, >> but I'm glad I did. But it was hard. >> but I'm glad I did. But it was hard. >> but I'm glad I did. But it was hard. Yeah, it was very hard. And we waited Yeah, it was very hard. And we waited Yeah, it was very hard. And we waited six months to tell our friends and six months to tell our friends and six months to tell our friends and family. That's how stressed we were 6 family. That's how stressed we were 6 family. That's how stressed we were 6 months. months. months. >> It's real. It's real. It's real. It's >> It's real. It's real. It's real. It's >> It's real. It's real. It's real. It's It's like one thing is going through a It's like one thing is going through a It's like one thing is going through a health problem on your own. And then health problem on your own. And then health problem on your own. And then it's a whole another thing when you're it's a whole another thing when you're it's a whole another thing when you're taking care of someone else. And it's taking care of someone else. And it's taking care of someone else. And it's Yeah, I've seen my friends go through it Yeah, I've seen my friends go through it Yeah, I've seen my friends go through it and thankfully a lot of them have also and thankfully a lot of them have also and thankfully a lot of them have also had babies on their second or third time had babies on their second or third time had babies on their second or third time around. And but yeah, I've seen it just around. And but yeah, I've seen it just around. And but yeah, I've seen it just how hard it is for the couple too. Like how hard it is for the couple too. Like how hard it is for the couple too. Like we've been talking about the loss of you we've been talking about the loss of you we've been talking about the loss of you know the grieving that you're going know the grieving that you're going know the grieving that you're going through of the loss of the baby or the through of the loss of the baby or the through of the loss of the baby or the life you were going to have but even how life you were going to have but even how life you were going to have but even how it affects the husband and wife or the it affects the husband and wife or the it affects the husband and wife or the boyfriend girlfriend partners whatever boyfriend girlfriend partners whatever boyfriend girlfriend partners whatever it may be it may be it may be >> just that's heavy too. >> just that's heavy too. >> just that's heavy too. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Uh and it's not easy. Uh another thing >> Uh and it's not easy. Uh another thing >> Uh and it's not easy. Uh another thing you raise as challenges for moms in you raise as challenges for moms in you raise as challenges for moms in their 9 months is fatigue. Mhm. their 9 months is fatigue. Mhm. their 9 months is fatigue. Mhm. >> And you know, we've been talking about >> And you know, we've been talking about >> And you know, we've been talking about stress somewhat and that's how we went stress somewhat and that's how we went stress somewhat and that's how we went off in this direction. But that fatigue off in this direction. But that fatigue off in this direction. But that fatigue that you get by being pregnant that you get by being pregnant that you get by being pregnant and that naturally wants you to have and that naturally wants you to have and that naturally wants you to have sugar and that naturally wants you to sugar and that naturally wants you to sugar and that naturally wants you to have carbs and fat, like all this stuff have carbs and fat, like all this stuff have carbs and fat, like all this stuff that we're trying So like what do you do that we're trying So like what do you do that we're trying So like what do you do when you're tired? when you're tired? when you're tired? >> Well, I totally get it. I was there too. >> Well, I totally get it. I was there too. >> Well, I totally get it. I was there too. And what's interesting about the sugar And what's interesting about the sugar And what's interesting about the sugar is that you think it's giving you is that you think it's giving you is that you think it's giving you energy. It's actually not. It's giving energy. It's actually not. It's giving energy. It's actually not. It's giving you dopamine. Dopamine is the pleasure you dopamine. Dopamine is the pleasure you dopamine. Dopamine is the pleasure molecule in your brain. So you feel kind molecule in your brain. So you feel kind molecule in your brain. So you feel kind of awake like wa I'm awake. You think of awake like wa I'm awake. You think of awake like wa I'm awake. You think it's energy? It's not. But it's okay it's energy? It's not. But it's okay it's energy? It's not. But it's okay because sugar helps us feel better. And because sugar helps us feel better. And because sugar helps us feel better. And I totally am there. I was there too. So I totally am there. I was there too. So I totally am there. I was there too. So what I did is I always made sure to not what I did is I always made sure to not what I did is I always made sure to not have sugar on an empty stomach. have sugar on an empty stomach. have sugar on an empty stomach. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Why? Because this is going to create a >> Why? Because this is going to create a >> Why? Because this is going to create a big spike and a big drop and more big spike and a big drop and more big spike and a big drop and more fatigue. fatigue. fatigue. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And it's going to create a big spike >> And it's going to create a big spike >> And it's going to create a big spike that's also going to go into my baby's that's also going to go into my baby's that's also going to go into my baby's bloodstream. bloodstream. bloodstream. >> So always sugar after a meal, never for >> So always sugar after a meal, never for >> So always sugar after a meal, never for breakfast, for example. And if I I felt breakfast, for example. And if I I felt breakfast, for example. And if I I felt sometimes I felt really really hungry sometimes I felt really really hungry sometimes I felt really really hungry like I was just like, "Wow, I need to like I was just like, "Wow, I need to like I was just like, "Wow, I need to eat so much today." And that was eat so much today." And that was eat so much today." And that was probably my body telling me you need probably my body telling me you need probably my body telling me you need more food. So I would eat spaghetti. I more food. So I would eat spaghetti. I more food. So I would eat spaghetti. I would eat all the carbs I wanted. But would eat all the carbs I wanted. But would eat all the carbs I wanted. But again, I would do that in certain ways. again, I would do that in certain ways. again, I would do that in certain ways. So for example, I would always have the So for example, I would always have the So for example, I would always have the carbs after a veggie starter built carbs after a veggie starter built carbs after a veggie starter built around vegetables because the fiber in around vegetables because the fiber in around vegetables because the fiber in the veggies creates this protection in the veggies creates this protection in the veggies creates this protection in your intestine and it slows down how your intestine and it slows down how your intestine and it slows down how quickly glucose arrives into your quickly glucose arrives into your quickly glucose arrives into your bloodstream. Wow. So, I was like, I'm bloodstream. Wow. So, I was like, I'm bloodstream. Wow. So, I was like, I'm going to eat the carbs that I'm craving, going to eat the carbs that I'm craving, going to eat the carbs that I'm craving, but with the hacks so that I reduce but with the hacks so that I reduce but with the hacks so that I reduce spikes and inflammation in my body and spikes and inflammation in my body and spikes and inflammation in my body and in my baby's body. in my baby's body. in my baby's body. >> And all this is in the chapter in 9 >> And all this is in the chapter in 9 >> And all this is in the chapter in 9 months, I count forever about blood months, I count forever about blood months, I count forever about blood sugar and glucose. And you can use all sugar and glucose. And you can use all sugar and glucose. And you can use all of the hacks of the hacks of the hacks >> around my glucose work except one, which >> around my glucose work except one, which >> around my glucose work except one, which is vinegar. So, if you do want to do the is vinegar. So, if you do want to do the is vinegar. So, if you do want to do the vinegar hack during pregnancy, you have vinegar hack during pregnancy, you have vinegar hack during pregnancy, you have to make sure that it's pasteurized to make sure that it's pasteurized to make sure that it's pasteurized because you want to make sure that it's because you want to make sure that it's because you want to make sure that it's safe to consume for you and your baby. safe to consume for you and your baby. safe to consume for you and your baby. And the hack is the following. You take And the hack is the following. You take And the hack is the following. You take one tablespoon of vinegar in a big glass one tablespoon of vinegar in a big glass one tablespoon of vinegar in a big glass of water before you eat carbs. And this of water before you eat carbs. And this of water before you eat carbs. And this can reduce the glucose spike by up to can reduce the glucose spike by up to can reduce the glucose spike by up to 30%. 30%. 30%. >> Yes, this is your your magic formula. >> Yes, this is your your magic formula. >> Yes, this is your your magic formula. >> And the thing is here, what it does, it >> And the thing is here, what it does, it >> And the thing is here, what it does, it just slows down how quickly glucose just slows down how quickly glucose just slows down how quickly glucose arrives in your bloodstream because it arrives in your bloodstream because it arrives in your bloodstream because it slows down the digestion of the carbs. slows down the digestion of the carbs. slows down the digestion of the carbs. So, it's not erasing the carbs. It's So, it's not erasing the carbs. It's So, it's not erasing the carbs. It's fine to have carbs and as I mentioned fine to have carbs and as I mentioned fine to have carbs and as I mentioned your baby needs more carbs as pregnancy your baby needs more carbs as pregnancy your baby needs more carbs as pregnancy progresses but it's helping them arrive progresses but it's helping them arrive progresses but it's helping them arrive more calmly in your bloodstream like not more calmly in your bloodstream like not more calmly in your bloodstream like not so bruisely and that's the whole point so bruisely and that's the whole point so bruisely and that's the whole point we want to have the carbs we love with we want to have the carbs we love with we want to have the carbs we love with less spike so less inflammation and less less spike so less inflammation and less less spike so less inflammation and less drop so less fatigue and more cravings. drop so less fatigue and more cravings. drop so less fatigue and more cravings. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, >> it's all about like working with the >> it's all about like working with the >> it's all about like working with the [laughter] cravings you know. [laughter] cravings you know. [laughter] cravings you know. >> Any other hacks that we have to know >> Any other hacks that we have to know >> Any other hacks that we have to know that women listening need to know? that women listening need to know? that women listening need to know? >> [sighs and gasps] >> [sighs and gasps] >> [sighs and gasps] >> Well, if you feel like moving, >> Well, if you feel like moving, >> Well, if you feel like moving, even just going for a quick walk can be even just going for a quick walk can be even just going for a quick walk can be super helpful. Not only does it help super helpful. Not only does it help super helpful. Not only does it help with your blood sugar levels, but with your blood sugar levels, but with your blood sugar levels, but >> I still walk for 10 minutes after eating >> I still walk for 10 minutes after eating >> I still walk for 10 minutes after eating dinner every night. dinner every night. dinner every night. >> Nice. That's amazing. But during >> Nice. That's amazing. But during >> Nice. That's amazing. But during pregnancy, exercise seems to be doing pregnancy, exercise seems to be doing pregnancy, exercise seems to be doing something incredible. something incredible. something incredible. >> So, this is one of my favorite studies, >> So, this is one of my favorite studies, >> So, this is one of my favorite studies, okay, that I discovered about pregnancy. okay, that I discovered about pregnancy. okay, that I discovered about pregnancy. So, scientists took two groups of rats. So, scientists took two groups of rats. So, scientists took two groups of rats. They both groups were pregnant and they They both groups were pregnant and they They both groups were pregnant and they put them in the same houses, same diet, put them in the same houses, same diet, put them in the same houses, same diet, same lighting, everything. The only same lighting, everything. The only same lighting, everything. The only difference was one group of rats had difference was one group of rats had difference was one group of rats had these tiny little treadmills and they these tiny little treadmills and they these tiny little treadmills and they had to walk on the treadmill for 30 had to walk on the treadmill for 30 had to walk on the treadmill for 30 minutes a day every day during their minutes a day every day during their minutes a day every day during their pregnancy. The other group did not do pregnancy. The other group did not do pregnancy. The other group did not do any exercise. That was the only any exercise. That was the only any exercise. That was the only difference. Then the babies were born difference. Then the babies were born difference. Then the babies were born and the scientists put the babies in and the scientists put the babies in and the scientists put the babies in these mazes and they measured the baby's these mazes and they measured the baby's these mazes and they measured the baby's anxiety levels. They found that the anxiety levels. They found that the anxiety levels. They found that the babies from the moms who exercised babies from the moms who exercised babies from the moms who exercised solved the mazes twice as fast. solved the mazes twice as fast. solved the mazes twice as fast. >> Wow. and had 80% >> Wow. and had 80% >> Wow. and had 80% fewer anxiety symptoms. fewer anxiety symptoms. fewer anxiety symptoms. >> No way. >> No way. >> No way. >> The only difference was the physical >> The only difference was the physical >> The only difference was the physical activity during pregnancy. activity during pregnancy. activity during pregnancy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> So, even if you just walk, it's going to >> So, even if you just walk, it's going to >> So, even if you just walk, it's going to help your glucose levels and going to help your glucose levels and going to help your glucose levels and going to help probably your baby's brain help probably your baby's brain help probably your baby's brain development. development. development. >> There's 10,000 steps. >> There's 10,000 steps. >> There's 10,000 steps. >> I mean, listen, when you're [laughter] >> I mean, listen, when you're [laughter] >> I mean, listen, when you're [laughter] pregnant, one step feels like 10,000 pregnant, one step feels like 10,000 pregnant, one step feels like 10,000 steps. So, steps. So, steps. So, >> so what's realistic? >> so what's realistic? >> so what's realistic? >> Do what you can. Do what you can. I >> Do what you can. Do what you can. I >> Do what you can. Do what you can. I loved walking. I was personally I went loved walking. I was personally I went loved walking. I was personally I went and weightlifted at the gym until like and weightlifted at the gym until like and weightlifted at the gym until like my eight and a half month of pregnancy my eight and a half month of pregnancy my eight and a half month of pregnancy and it was very hard but it felt good and it was very hard but it felt good and it was very hard but it felt good after I was done. That's the only thing after I was done. That's the only thing after I was done. That's the only thing I could do all day. I was like okay I'm I could do all day. I was like okay I'm I could do all day. I was like okay I'm going to the gym today and I would just going to the gym today and I would just going to the gym today and I would just muster up all my courage was my big muster up all my courage was my big muster up all my courage was my big belly and I was living in Mach in Paris belly and I was living in Mach in Paris belly and I was living in Mach in Paris which is very on top of this hill and I which is very on top of this hill and I which is very on top of this hill and I was living in this apartment which was a was living in this apartment which was a was living in this apartment which was a fifthstory walk up. fifthstory walk up. fifthstory walk up. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. So, I moved when I was 8 months, >> Yeah. So, I moved when I was 8 months, >> Yeah. So, I moved when I was 8 months, but before then I just naturally was in but before then I just naturally was in but before then I just naturally was in a [laughter] situation where I had to a [laughter] situation where I had to a [laughter] situation where I had to walk all the time. walk all the time. walk all the time. >> That's crazy. Yeah. So, do what you can, >> That's crazy. Yeah. So, do what you can, >> That's crazy. Yeah. So, do what you can, even if you can't move. One of my even if you can't move. One of my even if you can't move. One of my favorite hacks is the calf raise hack. favorite hacks is the calf raise hack. favorite hacks is the calf raise hack. So, you put your feet on the ground like So, you put your feet on the ground like So, you put your feet on the ground like this and you do some calf raises. So, this and you do some calf raises. So, this and you do some calf raises. So, you do like push-ups with your with your you do like push-ups with your with your you do like push-ups with your with your shins, with your calves. shins, with your calves. shins, with your calves. >> This is very powerful at reducing a >> This is very powerful at reducing a >> This is very powerful at reducing a glucose spike after a meal and also glucose spike after a meal and also glucose spike after a meal and also counts as exercise counts as exercise counts as exercise >> to solve it twice as quick and have that >> to solve it twice as quick and have that >> to solve it twice as quick and have that much less anxiety. That's huge. much less anxiety. That's huge. much less anxiety. That's huge. >> And listen, this is in rats. Do we know >> And listen, this is in rats. Do we know >> And listen, this is in rats. Do we know if it's happening in humans? We don't if it's happening in humans? We don't if it's happening in humans? We don't know. We just know that exercise is very know. We just know that exercise is very know. We just know that exercise is very good during pregnancy. And babies of good during pregnancy. And babies of good during pregnancy. And babies of moms who exercise tend to have better moms who exercise tend to have better moms who exercise tend to have better emotional regulation. emotional regulation. emotional regulation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But we haven't done a study being like, >> But we haven't done a study being like, >> But we haven't done a study being like, okay, two groups of moms, same house, okay, two groups of moms, same house, okay, two groups of moms, same house, same diet, same lighting, one treadmill. same diet, same lighting, one treadmill. same diet, same lighting, one treadmill. We can't do that, you know. We can't do We can't do that, you know. We can't do We can't do that, you know. We can't do that. But animal studies are really, that. But animal studies are really, that. But animal studies are really, really helpful. really helpful. really helpful. >> Yeah. What do pregnant moms do if >> Yeah. What do pregnant moms do if >> Yeah. What do pregnant moms do if they're experiencing a lot of bloating? they're experiencing a lot of bloating? they're experiencing a lot of bloating? >> That's a very good question. I think >> That's a very good question. I think >> That's a very good question. I think some of the bloating is hormonal, some of the bloating is hormonal, some of the bloating is hormonal, especially in the first trimester. especially in the first trimester. especially in the first trimester. >> Um, and then probably similar stuff as >> Um, and then probably similar stuff as >> Um, and then probably similar stuff as you would do the rest of the time. So, you would do the rest of the time. So, you would do the rest of the time. So, counterintuitively, counterintuitively, counterintuitively, you actually want to have more fiber. you actually want to have more fiber. you actually want to have more fiber. >> Um, sometimes if you increase fiber very >> Um, sometimes if you increase fiber very >> Um, sometimes if you increase fiber very quickly, it's going to lead to a lot of quickly, it's going to lead to a lot of quickly, it's going to lead to a lot of bloating. So, you want to make sure bloating. So, you want to make sure bloating. So, you want to make sure you're doing that slowly. And then, you're doing that slowly. And then, you're doing that slowly. And then, honestly, sugars is a big one. If you honestly, sugars is a big one. If you honestly, sugars is a big one. If you reduce your sugar intake, generally reduce your sugar intake, generally reduce your sugar intake, generally bloating goes down. And sometimes you bloating goes down. And sometimes you bloating goes down. And sometimes you have food sensitivities that can have food sensitivities that can have food sensitivities that can increase bloating also. But that's a big increase bloating also. But that's a big increase bloating also. But that's a big topic. Yeah. M one thing we haven't topic. Yeah. M one thing we haven't topic. Yeah. M one thing we haven't talked about before we get into a game talked about before we get into a game talked about before we get into a game we made for you game. [laughter] we made for you game. [laughter] we made for you game. [laughter] >> Uh one thing we haven't talked about is >> Uh one thing we haven't talked about is >> Uh one thing we haven't talked about is >> how does >> how does >> how does the man's diet affect his sperm and the man's diet affect his sperm and the man's diet affect his sperm and affect you know we we touched on it affect you know we we touched on it affect you know we we touched on it briefly when we were talking about briefly when we were talking about briefly when we were talking about miscarriages but like miscarriages but like miscarriages but like >> how how important is that? How valuable >> how how important is that? How valuable >> how how important is that? How valuable is that? is that? is that? >> So the man's diet before conception is >> So the man's diet before conception is >> So the man's diet before conception is going to set up his sperm quality for going to set up his sperm quality for going to set up his sperm quality for sure. We know that. The problem is from sure. We know that. The problem is from sure. We know that. The problem is from the moment conception happens the entire the moment conception happens the entire the moment conception happens the entire responsibility of the diet is in the responsibility of the diet is in the responsibility of the diet is in the female body of course for example so female body of course for example so female body of course for example so women have these eggs right and the women have these eggs right and the women have these eggs right and the sperm meets the egg sperm meets the egg sperm meets the egg >> the sperm only brings DNA he's not >> the sperm only brings DNA he's not >> the sperm only brings DNA he's not bringing anything else the egg is 10,000 bringing anything else the egg is 10,000 bringing anything else the egg is 10,000 times bigger than the sperm because it times bigger than the sperm because it times bigger than the sperm because it contains DNA and also food. So the mom's contains DNA and also food. So the mom's contains DNA and also food. So the mom's diet is more important to the diet is more important to the diet is more important to the development than the dad's diet. The development than the dad's diet. The development than the dad's diet. The dad's diet is important preconceptions. dad's diet is important preconceptions. dad's diet is important preconceptions. For example, [gasps and sighs] For example, [gasps and sighs] For example, [gasps and sighs] my husband 3 months before trying to get my husband 3 months before trying to get my husband 3 months before trying to get pregnant both times, he cut out all pregnant both times, he cut out all pregnant both times, he cut out all alcohol. He was exercising a lot. He was alcohol. He was exercising a lot. He was alcohol. He was exercising a lot. He was really careful with his sugar. He did really careful with his sugar. He did really careful with his sugar. He did all of that and then he kind of threw me all of that and then he kind of threw me all of that and then he kind of threw me the ball and I was in charge. But it is the ball and I was in charge. But it is the ball and I was in charge. But it is helpful for the dad to have a healthy helpful for the dad to have a healthy helpful for the dad to have a healthy lifestyle, especially preconception. lifestyle, especially preconception. lifestyle, especially preconception. >> Yeah. It's just I feel like none of this >> Yeah. It's just I feel like none of this >> Yeah. It's just I feel like none of this is ever talked about. is ever talked about. is ever talked about. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like we almost like just have kids >> Like we almost like just have kids >> Like we almost like just have kids without thinking about it. And there's without thinking about it. And there's without thinking about it. And there's >> And listen, it works, right? Like it >> And listen, it works, right? Like it >> And listen, it works, right? Like it works. works. works. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> Yeah. Yeah, >> Yeah. Yeah, >> but if in a world where we have all >> but if in a world where we have all >> but if in a world where we have all these incredible scientific studies, we these incredible scientific studies, we these incredible scientific studies, we need to know about them. need to know about them. need to know about them. >> It works. But I also think we're >> It works. But I also think we're >> It works. But I also think we're noticing longterm the ramifications of noticing longterm the ramifications of noticing longterm the ramifications of >> That's the thing. Like, let me make you >> That's the thing. Like, let me make you >> That's the thing. Like, let me make you a little list of my problems. So, a little list of my problems. So, a little list of my problems. So, >> I have a unhealthy obsession with cats. >> I have a unhealthy obsession with cats. >> I have a unhealthy obsession with cats. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> I don't think that's a problem. >> I don't think that's a problem. >> I don't think that's a problem. >> You know, I have existential crises all >> You know, I have existential crises all >> You know, I have existential crises all the time. Lots of mental health issues, the time. Lots of mental health issues, the time. Lots of mental health issues, depersonalization, dissociation, depersonalization, dissociation, depersonalization, dissociation, anxiety, depression, cusp of anxiety, depression, cusp of anxiety, depression, cusp of pre-diabetes when I was 25, like I was pre-diabetes when I was 25, like I was pre-diabetes when I was 25, like I was two points away from pre-diabetes. Um, two points away from pre-diabetes. Um, two points away from pre-diabetes. Um, problems with emotional regulation, like problems with emotional regulation, like problems with emotional regulation, like emotions can really overwhelm me. I am emotions can really overwhelm me. I am emotions can really overwhelm me. I am really bad at running fast. I mean, the really bad at running fast. I mean, the really bad at running fast. I mean, the list goes on. Okay, some of these things list goes on. Okay, some of these things list goes on. Okay, some of these things maybe they're genetic. Some of these maybe they're genetic. Some of these maybe they're genetic. Some of these things maybe they have to do with my things maybe they have to do with my things maybe they have to do with my mom's diet in the room. Maybe they have mom's diet in the room. Maybe they have mom's diet in the room. Maybe they have to do with my child child experiences. to do with my child child experiences. to do with my child child experiences. Like, who knows? But for sure the 9 Like, who knows? But for sure the 9 Like, who knows? But for sure the 9 months of pregnancy calibrate things. months of pregnancy calibrate things. months of pregnancy calibrate things. They're a window of outsized influence. They're a window of outsized influence. They're a window of outsized influence. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so today I'm after knowing about all >> And so today I'm after knowing about all >> And so today I'm after knowing about all the sides, I'm certain that my mom's the sides, I'm certain that my mom's the sides, I'm certain that my mom's diet if it had been slightly more higher diet if it had been slightly more higher diet if it had been slightly more higher in choline, omega-3s, protein, and lower in choline, omega-3s, protein, and lower in choline, omega-3s, protein, and lower in sugar, I'm sure that I would feel in sugar, I'm sure that I would feel in sugar, I'm sure that I would feel different today. different today. different today. >> Yeah. And those are all doable. They're >> Yeah. And those are all doable. They're >> Yeah. And those are all doable. They're practical. They make sense. practical. They make sense. practical. They make sense. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> And add on the couple of hacks that you >> And add on the couple of hacks that you >> And add on the couple of hacks that you just mentioned. just mentioned. just mentioned. >> So what's wrong with you now? Let's make >> So what's wrong with you now? Let's make >> So what's wrong with you now? Let's make a list. a list. a list. >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I've got plenty as well. I've got plenty I've got plenty as well. I've got plenty I've got plenty as well. I've got plenty of good stuff, too. So, I'm trying to of good stuff, too. So, I'm trying to of good stuff, too. So, I'm trying to think about like what my mom would have think about like what my mom would have think about like what my mom would have done right with like and and then of done right with like and and then of done right with like and and then of course there's so much nurture. But course there's so much nurture. But course there's so much nurture. But there is what is fascinating is when I there is what is fascinating is when I there is what is fascinating is when I talk to my friends who have kids, of talk to my friends who have kids, of talk to my friends who have kids, of course, I'm only talking to people I I course, I'm only talking to people I I course, I'm only talking to people I I don't have kids. When I talk to my don't have kids. When I talk to my don't have kids. When I talk to my friends who have kids, they're like, "Oh friends who have kids, they're like, "Oh friends who have kids, they're like, "Oh my god, that kid came out completely my god, that kid came out completely my god, that kid came out completely different to the other." Like, kids have different to the other." Like, kids have different to the other." Like, kids have personalities. Kids have their own way personalities. Kids have their own way personalities. Kids have their own way of being. They have their own aura and of being. They have their own aura and of being. They have their own aura and life. And so there is so much that's life. And so there is so much that's life. And so there is so much that's being affected by how they're created being affected by how they're created being affected by how they're created because all babies don't just come out because all babies don't just come out because all babies don't just come out all the same as well. all the same as well. all the same as well. >> Absolutely. And then depending on your >> Absolutely. And then depending on your >> Absolutely. And then depending on your diet, you will program your kids diet, you will program your kids diet, you will program your kids differently. differently. differently. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you have a different diet during two >> If you have a different diet during two >> If you have a different diet during two pregnancies, your baby's epigenetics pregnancies, your baby's epigenetics pregnancies, your baby's epigenetics will be different. will be different. will be different. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then of course you have whatever you >> And then of course you have whatever you >> And then of course you have whatever you want to call the soul or what it is want to call the soul or what it is want to call the soul or what it is >> and then you have how you grow up. You >> and then you have how you grow up. You >> and then you have how you grow up. You have your experiences. They shape you. have your experiences. They shape you. have your experiences. They shape you. Everything is important. Everything is important. Everything is important. >> Yeah. What's a study that hasn't been >> Yeah. What's a study that hasn't been >> Yeah. What's a study that hasn't been done that you'd wish we could do to done that you'd wish we could do to done that you'd wish we could do to understand pregnancy better? understand pregnancy better? understand pregnancy better? >> It would be very unethical. If we really >> It would be very unethical. If we really >> It would be very unethical. If we really wanted to measure the impact, we would wanted to measure the impact, we would wanted to measure the impact, we would recruit a thousand women and half of recruit a thousand women and half of recruit a thousand women and half of them we would say, "Eat what you them we would say, "Eat what you them we would say, "Eat what you normally were going to eat. Don't worry normally were going to eat. Don't worry normally were going to eat. Don't worry about it." And the other half we would about it." And the other half we would about it." And the other half we would make sure that they're getting all the make sure that they're getting all the make sure that they're getting all the nutrients I talk about in this book. And nutrients I talk about in this book. And nutrients I talk about in this book. And we would supplement them and give them we would supplement them and give them we would supplement them and give them all the choline, all the protein, all all the choline, all the protein, all all the choline, all the protein, all the omega-3s. We would make sure they're the omega-3s. We would make sure they're the omega-3s. We would make sure they're below the WH recommendation for sugar below the WH recommendation for sugar below the WH recommendation for sugar and then the babies come out. Then we and then the babies come out. Then we and then the babies come out. Then we would follow them for 30, 40, 50 years would follow them for 30, 40, 50 years would follow them for 30, 40, 50 years and we would see what happened. and we would see what happened. and we would see what happened. Actually, Actually, Actually, >> while this is impossible, something >> while this is impossible, something >> while this is impossible, something happened in the UK that was kind of happened in the UK that was kind of happened in the UK that was kind of close. close. close. >> Do you know about this? >> Do you know about this? >> Do you know about this? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Okay. No idea. >> Okay. No idea. >> Okay. No idea. >> So from 1940 to 1953 in the UK there was >> So from 1940 to 1953 in the UK there was >> So from 1940 to 1953 in the UK there was a sugar ration meaning the government a sugar ration meaning the government a sugar ration meaning the government reduced the amount of sugar that reduced the amount of sugar that reduced the amount of sugar that everybody could eat on a daily basis. everybody could eat on a daily basis. everybody could eat on a daily basis. People had a ration, an allowance. People had a ration, an allowance. People had a ration, an allowance. Everybody had 40 grams of sugar allowed Everybody had 40 grams of sugar allowed Everybody had 40 grams of sugar allowed per day. This was during the war and it per day. This was during the war and it per day. This was during the war and it was a way to manage resources. So was a way to manage resources. So was a way to manage resources. So everybody got 10 sugar cubes a day. everybody got 10 sugar cubes a day. everybody got 10 sugar cubes a day. That's it. Moms, grandparents, pregnant That's it. Moms, grandparents, pregnant That's it. Moms, grandparents, pregnant moms, everybody 40 grams of sugar per moms, everybody 40 grams of sugar per moms, everybody 40 grams of sugar per day. This lasted 13 years. Then all of a day. This lasted 13 years. Then all of a day. This lasted 13 years. Then all of a sudden the ration was lifted. People sudden the ration was lifted. People sudden the ration was lifted. People went back to eating what they usually went back to eating what they usually went back to eating what they usually ate, which meant 80 g of sugar per day. ate, which meant 80 g of sugar per day. ate, which meant 80 g of sugar per day. So all of a sudden, everybody in the UK So all of a sudden, everybody in the UK So all of a sudden, everybody in the UK went from 40 g to 80 gram of sugar per went from 40 g to 80 gram of sugar per went from 40 g to 80 gram of sugar per day. And scientists in the early 2000s day. And scientists in the early 2000s day. And scientists in the early 2000s were like, "Huh, this is really were like, "Huh, this is really were like, "Huh, this is really interesting because this means that we interesting because this means that we interesting because this means that we have babies who were developing when have babies who were developing when have babies who were developing when pregnant moms ate 40 g of sugar. And pregnant moms ate 40 g of sugar. And pregnant moms ate 40 g of sugar. And then just after we have babies then just after we have babies then just after we have babies developing when moms were eating 80 g of developing when moms were eating 80 g of developing when moms were eating 80 g of sugar during pregnancy. And the sugar during pregnancy. And the sugar during pregnancy. And the scientists wondered if they could see scientists wondered if they could see scientists wondered if they could see any differences in the baby's health cuz any differences in the baby's health cuz any differences in the baby's health cuz the only thing that had changed was the the only thing that had changed was the the only thing that had changed was the amount of sugar. So they called up well amount of sugar. So they called up well amount of sugar. So they called up well they found the medical records and they they found the medical records and they they found the medical records and they called 60,000 people and they saw that called 60,000 people and they saw that called 60,000 people and they saw that the babies who were developing when the babies who were developing when the babies who were developing when sugar was lower had a 15% sugar was lower had a 15% sugar was lower had a 15% lower likelihood of having developed lower likelihood of having developed lower likelihood of having developed type 2 diabetes in their lifetime. type 2 diabetes in their lifetime. type 2 diabetes in their lifetime. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Compared to their peers who were >> Compared to their peers who were >> Compared to their peers who were developing and born after the sugar developing and born after the sugar developing and born after the sugar ration who had a higher likelihood of ration who had a higher likelihood of ration who had a higher likelihood of diabetes. So what does this mean? It diabetes. So what does this mean? It diabetes. So what does this mean? It means that reducing our sugar intake means that reducing our sugar intake means that reducing our sugar intake during pregnancy is associated with during pregnancy is associated with during pregnancy is associated with lifelong benefit lifelong benefit lifelong benefit >> less vulnerability to diabetes lifelong >> less vulnerability to diabetes lifelong >> less vulnerability to diabetes lifelong in your baby for their entire life. in your baby for their entire life. in your baby for their entire life. >> And the only change was the number of >> And the only change was the number of >> And the only change was the number of sugar cubes per day. [laughter] sugar cubes per day. [laughter] sugar cubes per day. [laughter] >> Isn't that amazing? >> Isn't that amazing? >> Isn't that amazing? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Today, most moms eat 80 gram of sugar >> Today, most moms eat 80 gram of sugar >> Today, most moms eat 80 gram of sugar per day, which is the level that was per day, which is the level that was per day, which is the level that was shown to have higher diabetes risk. shown to have higher diabetes risk. shown to have higher diabetes risk. >> The WHO recommends 25 grams, which is >> The WHO recommends 25 grams, which is >> The WHO recommends 25 grams, which is lower than the sugar ration. So even if lower than the sugar ration. So even if lower than the sugar ration. So even if you just look at your diet during you just look at your diet during you just look at your diet during pregnancy, you're like, "Okay, I'm going pregnancy, you're like, "Okay, I'm going pregnancy, you're like, "Okay, I'm going to try to just reduce by even five to try to just reduce by even five to try to just reduce by even five grams, 10 grams, one sugar. Instead of grams, 10 grams, one sugar. Instead of grams, 10 grams, one sugar. Instead of having an orange juice, I'm going to having an orange juice, I'm going to having an orange juice, I'm going to have a whole orange." That's 20 grams of have a whole orange." That's 20 grams of have a whole orange." That's 20 grams of sugar gone. sugar gone. sugar gone. >> Just these small tweaks can have an >> Just these small tweaks can have an >> Just these small tweaks can have an outsized impact on your baby's outsized impact on your baby's outsized impact on your baby's vulnerability to disease. vulnerability to disease. vulnerability to disease. >> Yeah, that's unbelievable. I mean, >> Yeah, that's unbelievable. I mean, >> Yeah, that's unbelievable. I mean, that's so useful. that's so useful. that's so useful. >> So useful. >> So useful. >> So useful. >> So useful to be able to pull on that. >> So useful to be able to pull on that. >> So useful to be able to pull on that. And you've done so much, honestly, to And you've done so much, honestly, to And you've done so much, honestly, to help us understand sugar better. And help us understand sugar better. And help us understand sugar better. And even in pregnancy, I feel like that's even in pregnancy, I feel like that's even in pregnancy, I feel like that's such a big important marker. Uh Jesse, such a big important marker. Uh Jesse, such a big important marker. Uh Jesse, we came up with a this or that game for we came up with a this or that game for we came up with a this or that game for you. Pregnancy edition. you. Pregnancy edition. you. Pregnancy edition. >> Okay. I love it. >> Okay. I love it. >> Okay. I love it. >> This was inspired by your book 9 months >> This was inspired by your book 9 months >> This was inspired by your book 9 months that count forever. And so it's that count forever. And so it's that count forever. And so it's dedicated to you and your book. So dedicated to you and your book. So dedicated to you and your book. So Jesse, this or that Jesse, this or that Jesse, this or that >> because you did the final five last >> because you did the final five last >> because you did the final five last time. So question number one, carbs time. So question number one, carbs time. So question number one, carbs first or protein first when you're first or protein first when you're first or protein first when you're nauseous? nauseous? nauseous? >> Oh, protein first. Protein all the time. >> Oh, protein first. Protein all the time. >> Oh, protein first. Protein all the time. It will it will help a lot. It will it will help a lot. It will it will help a lot. >> Okay. small frequent snacks or fewer >> Okay. small frequent snacks or fewer >> Okay. small frequent snacks or fewer more balanced meals. more balanced meals. more balanced meals. >> If you're very nauseous, the small >> If you're very nauseous, the small >> If you're very nauseous, the small frequent ones really, really helps. I frequent ones really, really helps. I frequent ones really, really helps. I was eating an almond every five minutes was eating an almond every five minutes was eating an almond every five minutes basically. [laughter] basically. [laughter] basically. [laughter] But ideally, it's always going to be But ideally, it's always going to be But ideally, it's always going to be better to have bigger meals, but also as better to have bigger meals, but also as better to have bigger meals, but also as you get more pregnant, as pregnancy you get more pregnant, as pregnancy you get more pregnant, as pregnancy progresses, your stomach gets smaller. progresses, your stomach gets smaller. progresses, your stomach gets smaller. So, because your uterus is pushing on So, because your uterus is pushing on So, because your uterus is pushing on it, so you have to eat smaller meals. it, so you have to eat smaller meals. it, so you have to eat smaller meals. So, it's not a huge deal. Just make sure So, it's not a huge deal. Just make sure So, it's not a huge deal. Just make sure that you're eating the right stuff like that you're eating the right stuff like that you're eating the right stuff like the protein and the fish and the eggs. the protein and the fish and the eggs. the protein and the fish and the eggs. >> Very useful. Good advice. It's all >> Very useful. Good advice. It's all >> Very useful. Good advice. It's all right. Morning sickness the entire right. Morning sickness the entire right. Morning sickness the entire pregnancy or intense cravings? pregnancy or intense cravings? pregnancy or intense cravings? >> Like what do I prefer? >> Like what do I prefer? >> Like what do I prefer? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> cravings. [laughter] >> cravings. [laughter] >> cravings. [laughter] >> Pushing through nausea to eat for >> Pushing through nausea to eat for >> Pushing through nausea to eat for nutrients or meeting your body where it nutrients or meeting your body where it nutrients or meeting your body where it is. is. is. >> Oh, come on. That's easy. Meeting your >> Oh, come on. That's easy. Meeting your >> Oh, come on. That's easy. Meeting your body where it is. body where it is. body where it is. >> We're just checking. We're, you know, we >> We're just checking. We're, you know, we >> We're just checking. We're, you know, we like trying to help everyone out. Uh, like trying to help everyone out. Uh, like trying to help everyone out. Uh, following strict pregnancy food rules or following strict pregnancy food rules or following strict pregnancy food rules or reducing stress around food. M reducing stress around food. M reducing stress around food. M reducing stress around food and knowing reducing stress around food and knowing reducing stress around food and knowing that by doing these four key things, that by doing these four key things, that by doing these four key things, you're helping your baby a lot. you're helping your baby a lot. you're helping your baby a lot. >> More rest or gentle daily movement. >> More rest or gentle daily movement. >> More rest or gentle daily movement. >> Ooh, both. If you can [laughter] >> Ooh, both. If you can [laughter] >> Ooh, both. If you can [laughter] [gasps] strength training or cardio [gasps] strength training or cardio [gasps] strength training or cardio during pregnancy. during pregnancy. during pregnancy. >> Ooh, great question. Whatever you do, >> Ooh, great question. Whatever you do, >> Ooh, great question. Whatever you do, whatever you can do. whatever you can do. whatever you can do. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah, both are great. So, do the one >> Yeah, both are great. So, do the one >> Yeah, both are great. So, do the one that you can do. that you can do. that you can do. >> And you you said you were doing weight >> And you you said you were doing weight >> And you you said you were doing weight training. That was what you were doing. training. That was what you were doing. training. That was what you were doing. Yeah. Eating within an hour of waking or Yeah. Eating within an hour of waking or Yeah. Eating within an hour of waking or waiting until appetite kicks in. waiting until appetite kicks in. waiting until appetite kicks in. >> Depends on the nausea. >> Depends on the nausea. >> Depends on the nausea. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Depends. If you're very nauseous, you >> Depends. If you're very nauseous, you >> Depends. If you're very nauseous, you got to eat immediately. Otherwise, got to eat immediately. Otherwise, got to eat immediately. Otherwise, listen to your body's cues. For sure. listen to your body's cues. For sure. listen to your body's cues. For sure. >> I can't believe there's no solve to the >> I can't believe there's no solve to the >> I can't believe there's no solve to the nausea. I know, man. I can't believe nausea. I know, man. I can't believe nausea. I know, man. I can't believe that. that. that. >> There's not a lot of budget in women's >> There's not a lot of budget in women's >> There's not a lot of budget in women's health, you know. health, you know. health, you know. >> Come on, guys. Got here. >> Come on, guys. Got here. >> Come on, guys. Got here. >> We got to figure that out. That sounds >> We got to figure that out. That sounds >> We got to figure that out. That sounds so uncomfortable. Cold foods or warm so uncomfortable. Cold foods or warm so uncomfortable. Cold foods or warm foods when nausea hits. foods when nausea hits. foods when nausea hits. >> I never thought about that. >> I never thought about that. >> I never thought about that. >> Whatever you can stomach. He doesn't >> Whatever you can stomach. He doesn't >> Whatever you can stomach. He doesn't make any There's no science on that. No. make any There's no science on that. No. make any There's no science on that. No. >> Got it. Energy peaks at 3:00 a.m. or >> Got it. Energy peaks at 3:00 a.m. or >> Got it. Energy peaks at 3:00 a.m. or fatigue peaks at 3:00 p.m. [laughter] fatigue peaks at 3:00 p.m. [laughter] fatigue peaks at 3:00 p.m. [laughter] [gasps] [gasps] [gasps] >> Oh man. Um, >> Oh man. Um, >> Oh man. Um, if I had to choose one, I think fatigue if I had to choose one, I think fatigue if I had to choose one, I think fatigue at 3 p.m. If I don't have to work, so I at 3 p.m. If I don't have to work, so I at 3 p.m. If I don't have to work, so I could have a little nap. I started could have a little nap. I started could have a little nap. I started napping when I was pregnant. That was a napping when I was pregnant. That was a napping when I was pregnant. That was a new thing. new thing. new thing. >> Nice. Feel like a human calculator for >> Nice. Feel like a human calculator for >> Nice. Feel like a human calculator for carbs all day or completely forget carbs all day or completely forget carbs all day or completely forget nutrition exists. nutrition exists. nutrition exists. >> Oh my god. [laughter and gasps] Well, if >> Oh my god. [laughter and gasps] Well, if >> Oh my god. [laughter and gasps] Well, if I completely forgot what nutrition that I completely forgot what nutrition that I completely forgot what nutrition that nutrition existed. No, I could not do nutrition existed. No, I could not do nutrition existed. No, I could not do that. I don't I also don't want to be a that. I don't I also don't want to be a that. I don't I also don't want to be a calculator and be obsessed. Okay. Pass calculator and be obsessed. Okay. Pass calculator and be obsessed. Okay. Pass joker. joker. joker. Okay. And okay, two more. Prioritize Okay. And okay, two more. Prioritize Okay. And okay, two more. Prioritize stable glucose in the first trimester stable glucose in the first trimester stable glucose in the first trimester when nausea hits or the third trimester when nausea hits or the third trimester when nausea hits or the third trimester when energy drops? when energy drops? when energy drops? >> Third trimester. I think it in terms of >> Third trimester. I think it in terms of >> Third trimester. I think it in terms of like the baby's brain development, it's like the baby's brain development, it's like the baby's brain development, it's at its peak in the third trimester. The at its peak in the third trimester. The at its peak in the third trimester. The first trimester is also important. first trimester is also important. first trimester is also important. organs are developing etc. organs are developing etc. organs are developing etc. >> Talk to me about that. Actually, talk to >> Talk to me about that. Actually, talk to >> Talk to me about that. Actually, talk to me about what's happening in the first me about what's happening in the first me about what's happening in the first three months, the second three months, three months, the second three months, three months, the second three months, and the third. and the third. and the third. >> So, the main difference is that in the >> So, the main difference is that in the >> So, the main difference is that in the first trimester, your bloodstream and first trimester, your bloodstream and first trimester, your bloodstream and your baby's bloodstream are not yet your baby's bloodstream are not yet your baby's bloodstream are not yet connected. So, your baby is relying on connected. So, your baby is relying on connected. So, your baby is relying on this kind of milk this kind of milk this kind of milk >> that your uterus produces for energy, >> that your uterus produces for energy, >> that your uterus produces for energy, nutrients. In the second trimester, the nutrients. In the second trimester, the nutrients. In the second trimester, the placenta comes into play and connects placenta comes into play and connects placenta comes into play and connects your bloodstream and your baby's your bloodstream and your baby's your bloodstream and your baby's bloodstream. At that point, it's like a bloodstream. At that point, it's like a bloodstream. At that point, it's like a symbiosis is established and your blood symbiosis is established and your blood symbiosis is established and your blood and your baby's blood are exchanging and your baby's blood are exchanging and your baby's blood are exchanging nutrients and waste at all times. So nutrients and waste at all times. So nutrients and waste at all times. So from that point on, you're more from that point on, you're more from that point on, you're more connected. Now, yes, first trimester is connected. Now, yes, first trimester is connected. Now, yes, first trimester is important. Lots of stuff is happening. important. Lots of stuff is happening. important. Lots of stuff is happening. But truly, if you look at nutrients and But truly, if you look at nutrients and But truly, if you look at nutrients and especially in terms of the amount of especially in terms of the amount of especially in terms of the amount of nutrients you're going to need, how much nutrients you're going to need, how much nutrients you're going to need, how much choline, how much protein, how much choline, how much protein, how much choline, how much protein, how much omega-3s, it's the second and third omega-3s, it's the second and third omega-3s, it's the second and third trimester that are really key to make trimester that are really key to make trimester that are really key to make sure you're getting enough. Mhm. sure you're getting enough. Mhm. sure you're getting enough. Mhm. >> And it's also the second and third >> And it's also the second and third >> And it's also the second and third trimester where usually you're not trimester where usually you're not trimester where usually you're not nauseous, so it's easier to make the nauseous, so it's easier to make the nauseous, so it's easier to make the right choices. right choices. right choices. >> Amazing. Very cool. Great advice. All >> Amazing. Very cool. Great advice. All >> Amazing. Very cool. Great advice. All right, last one. right, last one. right, last one. >> What's worse, skipping meals or eating >> What's worse, skipping meals or eating >> What's worse, skipping meals or eating sugar without protein? [laughter] sugar without protein? [laughter] sugar without protein? [laughter] >> Oh my god. What's worse? >> Oh my god. What's worse? >> Oh my god. What's worse? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I don't think skipping meals is bad if >> I don't think skipping meals is bad if >> I don't think skipping meals is bad if you're not hungry. you're not hungry. you're not hungry. >> Okay, [snorts] >> Okay, [snorts] >> Okay, [snorts] >> if you're not hungry, you don't have to >> if you're not hungry, you don't have to >> if you're not hungry, you don't have to force yourself. But this goes for force yourself. But this goes for force yourself. But this goes for everybody. If you do skip a meal though, everybody. If you do skip a meal though, everybody. If you do skip a meal though, make sure that the next time you eat, make sure that the next time you eat, make sure that the next time you eat, you're eating protein, fat, or fiber you're eating protein, fat, or fiber you're eating protein, fat, or fiber first because your stomach is going to first because your stomach is going to first because your stomach is going to be very empty. So, very sensitive. So, I be very empty. So, very sensitive. So, I be very empty. So, very sensitive. So, I would say worse is eating sugar without would say worse is eating sugar without would say worse is eating sugar without protein. But also, if you have sugar protein. But also, if you have sugar protein. But also, if you have sugar without protein, it's also fine. These without protein, it's also fine. These without protein, it's also fine. These are hard. These were hard. are hard. These were hard. are hard. These were hard. >> These are hard. I got you. Yeah, these >> These are hard. I got you. Yeah, these >> These are hard. I got you. Yeah, these are honestly though, Jesse, I want to are honestly though, Jesse, I want to are honestly though, Jesse, I want to say that, you know, you writing this say that, you know, you writing this say that, you know, you writing this book, Nine Months That Count Forever, book, Nine Months That Count Forever, book, Nine Months That Count Forever, How Your Pregnancy Diet Shapes Your How Your Pregnancy Diet Shapes Your How Your Pregnancy Diet Shapes Your Baby's Future. When I first I think when Baby's Future. When I first I think when Baby's Future. When I first I think when you first sent me the cover through or you first sent me the cover through or you first sent me the cover through or or you first told me about the name, I'd or you first told me about the name, I'd or you first told me about the name, I'd never thought about it like that and it never thought about it like that and it never thought about it like that and it sounds so ridiculous to say that, but I sounds so ridiculous to say that, but I sounds so ridiculous to say that, but I never really realized. I was like, yeah, never really realized. I was like, yeah, never really realized. I was like, yeah, it is 9 months that counts forever. And it is 9 months that counts forever. And it is 9 months that counts forever. And I was like, wow. Like that that sentence I was like, wow. Like that that sentence I was like, wow. Like that that sentence in and of itself is just so powerful and in and of itself is just so powerful and in and of itself is just so powerful and so emphatic because you don't think so emphatic because you don't think so emphatic because you don't think about it like that. You think you have about it like that. You think you have about it like that. You think you have the kid's whole life to do stuff and you the kid's whole life to do stuff and you the kid's whole life to do stuff and you do, but these nine months are having do, but these nine months are having do, but these nine months are having such a big impact. The fact that you've such a big impact. The fact that you've such a big impact. The fact that you've been able to simplify it as always in been able to simplify it as always in been able to simplify it as always in the best way that only you know how to the best way that only you know how to the best way that only you know how to do to four core things that we can all do to four core things that we can all do to four core things that we can all work on and think about. Uh I'm so work on and think about. Uh I'm so work on and think about. Uh I'm so grateful to you truly. I know that I'm grateful to you truly. I know that I'm grateful to you truly. I know that I'm going to recommend this to every single going to recommend this to every single going to recommend this to every single one of my friends who is trying to have one of my friends who is trying to have one of my friends who is trying to have a baby, thinking about having a baby. Uh a baby, thinking about having a baby. Uh a baby, thinking about having a baby. Uh don't worry, I won't give it to friends don't worry, I won't give it to friends don't worry, I won't give it to friends who are not thinking about it. Don't who are not thinking about it. Don't who are not thinking about it. Don't know. But but genuinely I I think it's know. But but genuinely I I think it's know. But but genuinely I I think it's incredible to have a guide that is so incredible to have a guide that is so incredible to have a guide that is so dedicated to this very specific dedicated to this very specific dedicated to this very specific challenge that like you said it's no challenge that like you said it's no challenge that like you said it's no one's fault and no one is responsible one's fault and no one is responsible one's fault and no one is responsible for apart from the food systems, for apart from the food systems, for apart from the food systems, governments and everyone around of us. governments and everyone around of us. governments and everyone around of us. So thank you for doing uh the hard work. So thank you for doing uh the hard work. So thank you for doing uh the hard work. >> Yes sir. >> Yes sir. >> Yes sir. >> Uh I really mean that. I really mean >> Uh I really mean that. I really mean >> Uh I really mean that. I really mean that. It's very rare that you have a that. It's very rare that you have a that. It's very rare that you have a book that you're like oh I know exactly book that you're like oh I know exactly book that you're like oh I know exactly when to give this to someone. And when to give this to someone. And when to give this to someone. And everyone who's listening and watching, I everyone who's listening and watching, I everyone who's listening and watching, I hope this is the book that you're buying hope this is the book that you're buying hope this is the book that you're buying for friends, family members, nieces, for friends, family members, nieces, for friends, family members, nieces, nephews, cousins, you know, whoever it nephews, cousins, you know, whoever it nephews, cousins, you know, whoever it may be, because may be, because may be, because >> yeah, it's it's going to change every >> yeah, it's it's going to change every >> yeah, it's it's going to change every child's life. So, thank you so much. child's life. So, thank you so much. child's life. So, thank you so much. >> Thank you, Jay, for inviting me back. I >> Thank you, Jay, for inviting me back. I >> Thank you, Jay, for inviting me back. I love our conversation. love our conversation. love our conversation. >> Me, too. It's great to have you back. >> Me, too. It's great to have you back. >> Me, too. It's great to have you back. You're the best. Thanks, Jesse. If you You're the best. Thanks, Jesse. If you You're the best. Thanks, Jesse. If you enjoyed this podcast, you're going to enjoyed this podcast, you're going to enjoyed this podcast, you're going to love my conversation with Michelle love my conversation with Michelle love my conversation with Michelle Obama, where she opens up on how to stay Obama, where she opens up on how to stay Obama, where she opens up on how to stay with your partner when they're changing. with your partner when they're changing. with your partner when they're changing. 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