The Reckoning (Episode #391)

Key Takeaway

Run a 10-minute information audit today: identify one political or social-media source you rely on, then ask whether it corrects errors, distinguishes evidence from speculation, and would challenge people you agree with. If the answer is no, reduce its role in your attention diet and replace it with a source accountable to professional standards. Harris’s central practical warning is that frustration with flawed institutions should not make us credulous toward charismatic, unaccountable alternatives.

Episode Overview

Sam Harris reflects on Donald Trump’s 2024 reelection and argues that Democrats lost ground through failures of political messaging, particularly around cultural issues, immigration, urban disorder, and identity politics. He simultaneously warns that anger at progressive institutions does not justify normalizing Trump’s attacks on democratic norms, election legitimacy, and truth-seeking institutions.

Full Transcript

Transcript of The Reckoning (Episode #391) from Making Sense with Sam Harris. Auto-generated from episode audio; may contain minor errors.

Welcome to the Making Sense podcast. This is Sam Harris. So, the moment of reckoning has come. Donald Trump has been re-elected as President of the United States, and it looks like he will gain control of both houses of Congress. Of course, we know that the Supreme Court is already on his side. And the question arises: how to understand all this? Why did he win? And why did the Democrats lose? Well, first of all, it's worth recognizing that this is the greatest comeback in the history of American politics.

It would be like Nixon getting re- elected after Watergate. This is better or worse, depending on what you think of Trump. Luckily, I played it safe and never said anything too critical about him. I've always had great respect for him, Elon, and the other innovators around them . I mean , let's be honest, these guys just want to make America great again. Can't we just give them a chance? Jokes aside, I'll let you know when I get my first audit from the IRS. But I think what's needed now is an honest assessment of why Trump won.

Because his victory says a lot about our country. It says a lot about how divided we are. It says a lot about the state of the media and the influence of social media. But above all, this is a signal that the Democratic Party and our elite institutions must hear. Clearly, Trump's victory and Harris's defeat were determined by many factors. And I think everyone is at risk of believing that their favorite topic explains everything that happened on Tuesday. Of course, one could argue that it's about immigration and the southern border, or inflation and the cost of food.

One could even say that it was Trump's reaction to the first assassination attempt, which, among other things, prompted Elon Musk to support him a few minutes later. Or is it Harris's weakness as a candidate and the way the Democratic Party crowned her instead of allowing her to go through a competitive process. Or one could say the blame lies with Biden himself and his disastrous decision to run for a second term. It was pure arrogance. And , of course, that blame extends to all the people who covered for him and lied to themselves or the public about his competence throughout the year.

Some of that responsibility fell on Harris herself. What did she know about Biden and when did she find out? She never had a good answer to that question. And to return to my favorite theme, it 's her inability to make some kind of turning point that would allow her to distance herself from the 2019 Kamala Harris , who seemed to be in lockstep with the far-left wing of the Democratic Party. The truth, of course, is that all of these factors played a role, and if even one or two of them had changed, the outcome would have been different.

But the Harris campaign and the Democratic Party had no control over most of these variables in the last 100 days before the election . They could have structured their rhetoric differently on all these issues. I think they could have done a better job of talking about inflation and immigration, but their real mistake, in my view, was that they didn't pivot to the political center in a way that would be convincing to most people. Returning to my favorite topic, I believe that Democrats need to learn the lessons of this undoubtedly complete political defeat.

They just have to admit that some of the points in their platform are completely untenable. Identity politics is over. Nobody needs her. Even Latinos and blacks don't need it. This is confirmed by the fact that they supported Trump in record numbers , who won the majority of the votes of Latino men across the country . And in some districts, he won a majority of both Latino men and women, even though he had spent years talking about Latino immigrants. How they, I quote, “ poison the blood of our people,” which is taken straight from Mein Kampf.

A comedian at a Trump rally calls Puerto Rico a "pile of trash" and the entire Democratic machine and liberal media pounce on it as if a nuclear bomb had just wiped out an American city and no one cared . Identity politics is dead and we need to bury it. Okay, there's one kind of identity politics that has had a huge impact on this election, and most Democrats do n't seem to realize it. About half of one percent of the US adult population identifies as transgender or non-binary.

This is one person in two hundred. And yet, identity activism has been driving our politics crazy for as long as Trump has been in it. One of the lessons I would be quick to draw from this election is that Americans do not enjoy watching biological men punch women in the face at the Olympics. And if that sounds like transphobia to you, then the problem is you. The political equality we should strive for for everyone does not mean that trans women are women. Trans women are people and should have the same political freedoms as everyone else.

But to claim that they are women, and that making any distinction between them and biological women for any reason, is a thought crime and an act of intolerance. This is the tenet of a new religion, and it is a religion that most Americans want nothing to do with . I want to clarify this point. I have no doubt that there are real cases of gender dysphoria. And we must strive to provide such people with all the necessary assistance so that they feel comfortable in their bodies and in society.

The way we think about this and understand it scientifically is still in the process of being formed . But there are four-year-old children who, for no apparent reason, declare that they were born in the wrong body. You know, they are born boys , but they insist that they are actually girls and never back down from it. And in such cases, it is quite obvious that something neurological or hormonal is happening at a deep level that is not a consequence of cultural influence. But, on the other hand, there now seem to be countless examples where the possibility of social contagion is obvious.

Where, thanks to the success of trans activists in changing institutions, these children are effectively drawn into a cult, brainwashed with the new dogma. These are radically different cases, and we should not be bullied into thinking they are the same. I've spoken to many Democrats over the past few years and during this campaign , and a shocking percentage of them believe that the whole debate about trans rights, gender identity, and children is simply right-wing bigotry and politically irrelevant . Although it is clear that for millions of Americans this could be the only important issue in the election.

Not because they are transphobic scum, but because they simply do not accept the new metaphysics and even the new biology imposed by trans activists and the institutions they have successfully intimidated and taken over. And it's important to say that not all trans people agree with what these activists say and do. When the Thought Police suddenly mandate the use of the term "woman" and demand that we say instead "a person giving birth," "a menstruating person," or "people with ovaries," or other Orwellian constructs designed to test everyone's patience and sanity .

The spectacle of people being banned from social media platforms or fired from universities simply for acknowledging the existence of two biological sexes. I personally know a professor who lost her job at Harvard over this, seeing the epidemic of gender confusion spreading in our schools. When people could see with their own eyes that this was a social contagion , encouraged by the schools themselves, the end result of which in many cases was irreversible medical procedures. We have an epidemic of teenage girls wanting double mastectomies, and some are actually going through with it, inspired by ideas circulating on TikTok.

And any parent who resists this trend is demonized and, under certain circumstances, may lose custody of their children. Wow. Congratulations, Democrats. You found the most annoying thing in the damn galaxy and hung it around your neck. I know people who were not personally affected by this issue, but for them it was the only issue that determined their vote. In fact, it was this question that finally radicalized Elon, right? And he spoke about this in detail. Do you think Elon's constant messaging to 200 million people on X, going to Trump rallies, donating over a hundred million to the campaign, supporting him on podcasts, and doing everything he could to get Trump elected, could have gotten him any votes?

Frankly, I think you could write a PhD dissertation, and maybe more than one, on how trans activism has completely destroyed Democratic politics without most Democrats even noticing. Of course, the analysis of this election will continue for a long time, but there are already polls showing that cultural issues in general and this issue in particular have become the main incentives for undecided voters to switch to Trump's side. For the purposes of this survey, an undecided voter is someone who is undecided in the presidential race or has changed their preference since 2020, voting Democratic in one election and Republican in another.

Or they are independent voters who either indicated that they split their votes between Democrats and Republicans, or who are equally favorable or equally unfavorable to both Trump and Harris. Right ? So these were the people whose votes were at stake. And according to this survey on blueprint2024.com, "Why America Chose Trump: Inflation, Immigration, and the Democratic Party Brand," when respondents are classified this way, for those swing voters, the strongest predictor of voting for Trump was their answer to the following statement. Kamala Harris has focused more on cultural issues like the transgender agenda than on helping the middle class.

Right? Thus, transgender issues are celebrated as a key example of progressive policy in the Democratic Party. Now you might say that neither Harris nor Biden campaigned as outspoken trans activists, and that's true. But frankly, if you wanted to explain Harris's loss and Trump's victory in the most succinct way possible, and also show how much control the far left had over Democratic policy and the Biden administration, I think you'd be hard-pressed to do better than juxtapose the two. On his first day in office, President Biden signed an executive order allowing transgender girls to use women's restrooms, locker rooms, and participate in women's sports.

It took him two and a half years to sign an executive order addressing the chaos on the southern border. Why did he wait so long? Because the far left has always said that worrying about the southern border is racist. Needless to say, how out of touch the Democratic Party and the Biden administration have become with the will of the American people . When it comes to transgenderism and gender dysphoria, Harris should at least have expressed an understanding that the issue is complex; that there are legitimate concerns about social contagion; that in some cases a conflict arises between satisfying all the demands of transgender women and protecting the rights of biological women and girls.

And many questions here still remain open. And politics in Europe has changed radically in recent years for obvious reasons. Is n't that so? This topic is complete chaos, both ethically and politically. And among Democrats and the elite institutions they influence , it is generally accepted that the trans activist line is the only ethical one . But the truth is that every dogma that has come out of the far left in recent years contains the same recipe for the destruction of democratic politics. Each of them is like an ominous hologram.

Let's take the term "latinx". Who was it designed for? Only 3% of Latinos support this ridiculous rebranding of their ethnicity. Again, Trump did better among Hispanics than any Republican in memory. Do you think it's because they weren't given enough identity politics? Do you think they just need to see more white people being scolded for the sin of cultural appropriation? Think another lecture on what Halloween costumes are considered offensive will help? Much of Democratic politics has become like a bad SNL sketch . Democrats just need to understand that this is one of the reasons why we are facing four more years of Donald Trump.

Four more years until this man will have more power and responsibility than anyone on Earth. If it seems like I blame the far-left activists and everyone who caved in to them for this, that's because I do . Of course , inflation didn't help either. But the Harris campaign and the Democratic Party couldn't change food prices. They could have pressured the vice president to give a rational explanation for why she no longer supports taxpayer-funded gender reassignment surgeries for illegal immigrants in detention centers. Do you know how many ads the Trump campaign ran on this topic?

In some markets, this was a third of their total advertising spend. She is for “them”, for non-binary people. He is for you. Find me a video where Harris said anything coherent on this topic. The same can be said about all other cultural issues poisoned by the far left . Literally everyone I know who voted for Trump, including incredibly powerful people like Elon. Every single one of them was focused on cultural issues. For them, it was not inflation. It was trans activism, the madness at the southern border, DEI policies, homelessness, urban crime, and the unwillingness of Democratic district attorneys and mayors to do anything about it.

The fact that when you go to a pharmacy you have to call a locksmith to get razor blades and Tylenol is a complete disgrace. This is a clear degradation of the quality of life in American cities . And those things mattered on Tuesday when people went to the polls. Most of our largest cities are governed by Democratic mayors, at least two- thirds of the largest hundred. I think in the top twenty this percentage is even higher. What are Democrats doing about homelessness? The Democratic Party largely created this problem itself.

For years, Democrats have acted as if the answer to this is simply for everyone to become more tolerant. They won't police the streets, but they will police the way we speak. These people are not homeless . They are "homeless ". Okay, great. Anyone who's ever had to take their kids away from a crazy guy standing outside the supermarket, or knows that there are certain areas of the city you shouldn't even enter because they look like the third installment of a zombie movie. Many of these people are fed up with your policies, as are millions of those who don't live in big cities but visit them or simply see footage on social media.

Nobody wants to live like this. This is the very issue that was easily and justifiably used against Democrats in this election. Or take the Hamas supporters on our university campuses. You don't have to be Jewish to see how shameful this is. This is an attack not only on Jews and Israel, but also on Western civilization, or let's call a spade a spade— on real civilization. If the Democratic Party doesn't understand that civilization needs to be defended from barbarism, what do you expect from the presidential election?

Yes, Biden and Harris weren't terrible on this issue, but they were ambiguous in their approach, trying to please everyone at once. They went out of their way to avoid offending those in the Democratic Party who were completely confused by the events of October 7, the problem of Islamism and jihadism around the world, and who think in terms of Islamophobia rather than real human rights. Here's one clue to sanity on this issue that you may have missed. Hijab is not a symbol of women's empowerment. Most women around the world wear the chador because they are forced to do so by men who will beat them half to death if they do not.

It might be time to figure this out if you truly care, or want to convincingly pretend to care, about women's rights on planet Earth. There is no doubt that Democratic moral confusion on many of these issues cost Harris millions of votes. So this is exactly the kind of reassessment of values ​​that Democrats are demanding now, and I hope it will happen. But the worry now is that another four years of Trump and Trumpism could prevent that. What I mean is that Trump is such an irritant to the left and liberal institutions that Democrats may end up becoming even more mired in their delusions.

Of course, this is exactly what Trump and the MAGA cult want, because it would be political suicide. Okay, if you're a Democrat who voted for Harris, please realize this. You lost more voters of color than ever before in a presidential election running against Archie Bunker. What's worse is that Trump is actually supported by real racists and white supremacists. And even that wasn't enough of a problem. Who do you think your identity politics is for? Are you really going to continue to celebrate " pornographers" of racial resentment like Ta- Nehisi Coates and Ibram X Kendi?

Maybe we should just give another Pulitzer Prize to the 1619 Project and congratulate ourselves? Do you really think racism is America's main problem? And what we saw this week was simply a victory for white male identity politics. This is how you're going to explain Trump's popularity at the moment. Trump got support from every racial group except whites, right? Where it lost one percentage point compared to 2020. You're going to chalk this up to racism . It's been about 5 days since the election when I write this.

And I still hear prominent Democrats saying, "America would never have elected a Black woman president in 2024. " This is not a problem. And if you keep this up , someday you're going to get Candace [ __ ] Owens as president. Would n't that be the perfect response to this nonsense? I hope it's clear from everything I've said and written over the years, and from the first half of this podcast, that I understand the frustration and even disgust people feel with the far left and the progressive orthodoxy that has infested our institutions—for censorship, idea policing , gaslighting, and lies.

I understand the extent to which our institutions have been warped by this, and anyone who has followed my work from the beginning knows that I have been outraged by this encroaching moral blindness for at least 20 years, right? Long before " vokism," Black Lives Matter, trans activism, or calls to defund the police . In the years after September 11, 2001, when I began to focus on the problem of Islamism and jihadism, I complained about exactly this. I've seen anyone who describes these issues too honestly be labeled a racist, as if that made any sense.

I have seen people like Ayaan Hirsi treated like lepers by left-wing think tanks and liberal writers . Even Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times, whose main gimmick was demonstrating concern for women's rights in developing countries, felt compelled to condemn Ayaan as an Islamophobe. And yet this is a woman who was literally hunted by Muslim theocrats in one of the most cosmopolitan societies we have —modern-day Holland. Right. For years, I've watched journalists dodge the threat of Islamic extremism. Someone attacked people with a knife in a European city or ran them over with a car while shouting "Allahu Akbar." And the news reported that the motive for the crime still remains a mystery.

And the criminal was at best simply called an immigrant. Sometimes all these details were hushed up and you had no idea what had happened: just a random mass murder. Needless to say, this brand of politically correct dishonesty has since spread to many other topics, as leftist hatred of Western civilization, capitalism, and white people has distorted everything left of center. Okay, I understand how annoying this can be, especially when it comes to something that directly affects your life. Right? I know what it's like to read a New York Times article and see an obvious lie.

But the alternative to failed journalism is n't the barrage of lies, half-truths, and conspiracy theories you'll find in X. See ? And this is not the calculated and ubiquitous distortion of facts you find on right-wing news channels that had no journalistic standards to violate in the first place . There is simply no alternative to healthy institutions that maintain their authority even when they make mistakes, by reliably correcting their mistakes. Right? And when they don't meet that standard, they can be pressured to improve because they have intellectual and moral principles.

It's not a perfect process, but it's the best we have . Elon Musk never admits his mistakes. Tucker Carlson never admits his mistakes. Donald Trump never makes mistakes because he never stops lying. He plays tennis without a net and his fans love it. Trusting insane individuals is not a viable alternative to having truly liberal institutions that can be trusted. And they can be made to regain your trust when they fail. I understand how nice it is to find a new bully to beat up the other bullies who have been making your life miserable.

Do you understand? But the problem is, this new bully is worse, right? This new bully has no principles. This new conscience cannot be appealed to—neither journalistic, nor academic, nor scientific. Whatever is wrong with people like Anthony Fauci, Francis Collins, or any of the other doctors who have been demonized on the right for their approach to COVID policy. At least they are real doctors and scientists who have professional principles and a reputation to defend before people who know a thing or two about medicine. In R.F. Kennedy Jr.

has none of this. He's just a cowboy shooting at the establishment. The Joe Rogan podcast is not a replacement for the Wall Street Journal or the Harvard Kennedy School. It's not progress when a comedian like Dave Smith, who supposedly "did his research," is interviewed about the history of the Middle East or the war in Ukraine as if he were the next Henry Kissinger. All this free access to information is making us stupider. Of course, I blame Trump and social media for how divisive our politics has become.

Trump is what you get when 51% of society simply declares bankruptcy on basic moral values, political principles, journalistic ethics, and essential institutions. There is no real defense of Trump and Trumpism. All his defenders act as if his critics simply don't like the man's style. They say he's just too rude or pompous. Or they think we worry about hypothetical things that may never happen. We are worried that he might become a fascist in the future. And, needless to say , these fears are sure signs of " Trump derangement syndrome." But none of this is true, right?

The problem with Trump is that he doesn't have a style. And it's not just about what might happen in the future. The problem is that it has already happened. This is the damage Trump has already done to our democracy. And the fact that he has turned the Republican Party into a personality cult that celebrates all this damage as a sign of progress. For example, while many of us really wanted Kamala Harris to win on Tuesday, we're also relieved that she didn't win by a very narrow margin.

Why do we feel relieved about this ? Because Trump, Elon, and a few other notorious figures have been spreading so many lies and conspiracy theories about election fraud that they've essentially set our society up for an implosion. On election day, Trump and Elon spread lies about monstrous fraud allegedly taking place in Pennsylvania. Now that Trump has won, where have the concerns about voter fraud gone? She just disappeared. I guess Elon figured it all out and our voting machines are working perfectly now , right? Notice what happened here.

These people have put our society at serious risk for purely selfish reasons. And the fact that we now feel relieved to have avoided civil war is in itself a blow to our democracy and public order. Is this argument too abstract to understand? If someone booby-trapped your house, but the bomb accidentally didn't explode for reasons beyond their control, I do n't think they have the right to say, "Well, there was no harm done, so there should n't be any complaints." Let's just move on. Let's agree that we disagree on our assessment of what happened here.

No, you have put our entire democracy at risk with your false statements. You deliberately escalated the situation and put pressure on your electorate. By resorting to lies again, you risked provoking serious violence if events had turned out differently. To be fair, there was a moment Tuesday night when the tide turned completely against Harris: The New York Times website gave Trump an 89% chance of winning, but the results in the "blue wall " states had not yet been determined. Right? At that point, Harris still had a chance to win.

Events with a one in ten probability happen all the time. But I remember thinking, I hope she does n't win now, because at that point, given the situation, given that the Republicans were really confident of winning, and that even the Democrats seemed to think so, openly discussing it on television and on social media, if Harris had had any luck at that point, we could have had a civil war. Given the extent to which conspiracy theories were weaponized by Trump and his enablers, even on Election Day itself, these lies were spread knowingly and deliberately; Elon personally brought it to hundreds of millions of people on his social media platform.

Given all of that, frankly, I think it was simply not safe for Harris to win a free and fair election at that point. This is a completely insane idea for election night in America in 2024. Who should we bill for the damage done to our country? Half of our society just elected as president a man they know would not accept the results of the election if he lost. Vice President Harris conceded defeat the next day, as everyone expected. There probably isn't a single Trump supporter who thinks he would do what they fully expected Harris to do: defend the most fundamental norm of our democracy, the very foundation that makes it possible: the peaceful transfer of power.

And the most striking thing is that Trump's supporters are completely at peace with this asymmetry. They expected Harris to admit defeat and would demand that she do so . Yet they know that Trump would not admit defeat, knowing the risks to the very foundations of our society. And they are happy with it. This is already the destruction of our policy. This is what the path to fascism looks like. We're already on it . There is nothing hypothetical here. Bad things have already happened. And that's true, no matter what happens in the next four years.

It's like in the movie The Exorcist . If your child has stigmata, spews green mucus everywhere, and moves furniture with his mind, it's time to admit you have a problem. You don't have to wait for Satan himself to appear to understand this. What's so disappointing about Trump's supporters is their refusal to acknowledge all of this. They simply refuse to acknowledge how pathological our situation is and to what pathology Trump himself has brought it. Whatever story you tell yourself about how much good Trump can do in a second term, he is a destroyer.

He attracted all these tech moguls to him. He is crazy enough to frighten our enemies. Or he's just a windbag and won't do even half of what he promises. So don't worry about it. Whatever story you tell yourself, this is what is true now. We are returning to the Oval Office a man who, as president, refused to guarantee a peaceful transition of power and tried to steal the 2020 election while claiming it was being stolen from him. And he has lied about it ever since , knowing that this lie remains a constant provocation to violence.

And now there are lawsuits pending to hold him accountable for all of this - cases that will be dismissed now that he controls the Justice Department . We are returning Trump to power even though we know he will not be able to faithfully fulfill his oath of office because he does not respect the Constitution. And half of our society is not only ready to take this risk, they are downright jubilant about it . At the very least, you must acknowledge that these events have once again dealt a serious blow to our politics, regardless of what happens in the next four years.

And I have something important to say to Joe Rogan and the other podcasters who have interviewed Trump. You can't sit on two chairs at once. It's not fair to say that this was a " podcast election" and that long conversations like these are incredibly important for people to hear and decide who to vote for. And then have no journalistic responsibility to fact-check or expose obvious lies while talking to the most prolific liar on earth. You can't spout endless conspiracy theories about how our electoral system is dangerously broken and vulnerable to fraud, and then, when your candidate wins, say, "Oh, well, Trump's victory was too big for them to have rigged the election." No.

How about realizing that there was nothing fundamentally wrong with our electoral system to begin with , and that all those concerns about fraud were lies perpetrated by your candidate and his supporters? And they spread these lies, preparing not to recognize the election results in the event of his defeat. And you allowed your platform to be used for these purposes by people who were willing to destroy our politics and even risk civil war for their own personal gain. Every podcaster who has interviewed Trump has managed to create the impression that everything bad that has ever been said about him is the result of a conspiracy by the left-wing elite media.

Right? To interview Trump or his representatives responsibly, you would have to press them about the many disgusting things he has said and done, and what he intends to do in a second term. All of this is well documented, and much of it should completely disqualify the presidential candidate. It's not enough to simply turn on microphones and have a conversation. And it doesn't matter that it lasts 3 hours if all you do is wash away his lies, ignoring them for the sake of maintaining " positive vibrations ." There is a complacency and immorality in your approach that has caused real harm.

And for you, those suffering from " Twitter Files disorder syndrome ," how fair and balanced is everything over there at X now? Is this the bastion of free speech you were hoping for? Do you think it's normal for a platform to be run by a maniacal billionaire who doesn't trust moderators to verify information and fires them, but trusts random conspiracy theorists and lunatics, personally broadcasting their lies to 200 million subscribers? Do you think this is progress ? Do you think you would feel the same if a left-wing billionaire was pushing activist nonsense to his 200 million followers every hour?

And perhaps it's worth turning to journalists, scientists, writers, and people who have something to lose and whose reputations they value. Nothing will change for the better until you all decide to leave X. You know it's a dump. You know that this is harmful to our society. Most of you know that this is harmful to your personal life as well. By simply staying there and creating the illusion that everyone is obligated to be there, you are helping to build a tool that makes constructive dialogue impossible. Our society is being torn apart by lies, and social media—X in particular —bears enormous responsibility for this.

Of course, I understand that some breaking news appears there first, and some only there. But if this is a social media feature we must preserve, then let's move it to a different platform, not one owned and operated by a meme-obsessed individual who has long since lost all principles. Let me repeat, everything I talked about and complained about has already happened. But looking to the future, there are certainly reasons to worry about a second Trump term. Really, is Robert Kennedy Jr. going to determine the country's health policy?

Just the thought of this should make your head spin . Will Trump Weaken Our International Alliances? Will he take us out of NATO? If we have fewer biological men in women's sports, will we also have fewer democracies? Is this an equal exchange? Will Trump call the " pillow guy" and Pizzagate supporters for advice on how to run the world? Or will he suddenly change course and surround himself with competent and ethical advisers ? Well, we'll see. Of course , I'll react to what happens on this podcast, but I'm not going to be obsessed with Donald Trump for the next four years.

As I have said, I consider it one of the greatest missed opportunities for humanity in my lifetime. The fact that we had to think about this man non-stop for a whole decade is just incredible bad luck. So I'll try to pick my moments here. I'm sure there will be quite a few of them in the next four years , but I'm just not prepared to spend any more time on politics than is absolutely necessary . And I will definitely let you know when I receive the first audit from the tax office.

Thank you for listening.