The Raw Truth About Body Dysmorphia... | Mind Pump 2891

Over Over 50% of people who work in the fitness 50% of people who work in the fitness 50% of people who work in the fitness industry have symptoms of body industry have symptoms of body industry have symptoms of body dysmorphia. Now, what does that look dysmorphia. Now, what does that look dysmorphia. Now, what does that look like for the general population? One to like for the general population? One to like for the general population? One to two%. So, 50 times higher in the fitness two%. So, 50 times higher in the fitness two%. So, 50 times higher in the fitness space. Today, we're going to talk about space. Today, we're going to talk about space. Today, we're going to talk about ways to help heal this within yourself. ways to help heal this within yourself. ways to help heal this within yourself. Unfortunately, we have a lot of Unfortunately, we have a lot of Unfortunately, we have a lot of experience with this because we work in experience with this because we work in experience with this because we work in the fitness industry and we've trained the fitness industry and we've trained the fitness industry and we've trained lots of clients. We're going to talk lots of clients. We're going to talk lots of clients. We're going to talk about this, how you can help heal your about this, how you can help heal your about this, how you can help heal your body dysmorphia. That's body dysmorphia. That's body dysmorphia. That's >> You know what's crazy about that stat? >> You know what's crazy about that stat? >> You know what's crazy about that stat? It's way more than that. It's way more than that. It's way more than that. >> It is under reportported. Yeah. >> It is under reportported. Yeah. >> It is under reportported. Yeah. >> Yeah. Because there's a majority of >> Yeah. Because there's a majority of >> Yeah. Because there's a majority of people people people would say they're not that are would say they're not that are would say they're not that are >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That that are >> That that are >> That that are >> Well, you work in the space. So being >> Well, you work in the space. So being >> Well, you work in the space. So being obsessed could look like discipline. obsessed could look like discipline. obsessed could look like discipline. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Counting every calorie could be >> Counting every calorie could be >> Counting every calorie could be disciplined because you work in the disciplined because you work in the disciplined because you work in the space. space. space. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh but both of which all the time >> Uh but both of which all the time >> Uh but both of which all the time >> dysfunctions >> dysfunctions >> dysfunctions >> is Yeah. Dysfunctions. It's super high >> is Yeah. Dysfunctions. It's super high >> is Yeah. Dysfunctions. It's super high in our space. In fact, I would in my in our space. In fact, I would in my in our space. In fact, I would in my this is my personal experience. So, I'm this is my personal experience. So, I'm this is my personal experience. So, I'm not a study, but this is my personal not a study, but this is my personal not a study, but this is my personal experience. experience. experience. >> Uh it's more often than not. >> Uh it's more often than not. >> Uh it's more often than not. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All the trainers that have worked for >> All the trainers that have worked for >> All the trainers that have worked for me, me, me, >> seven out of 10. >> seven out of 10. >> seven out of 10. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Seven out of 10 at least. >> Seven out of 10 at least. >> Seven out of 10 at least. >> Uh also uh you know, full disclosure, I >> Uh also uh you know, full disclosure, I >> Uh also uh you know, full disclosure, I uh struggled with this um for I'd say uh struggled with this um for I'd say uh struggled with this um for I'd say most of my life. Uh uh exercise was a most of my life. Uh uh exercise was a most of my life. Uh uh exercise was a source of comfort for me uh since the source of comfort for me uh since the source of comfort for me uh since the age of 14. Um and it's been better and age of 14. Um and it's been better and age of 14. Um and it's been better and it's been worse. Um and some of it was it's been worse. Um and some of it was it's been worse. Um and some of it was rooted a lot of it was rooted in body rooted a lot of it was rooted in body rooted a lot of it was rooted in body dysmorphia later on probably more in dysmorphia later on probably more in dysmorphia later on probably more in control. So I also have a lot of control. So I also have a lot of control. So I also have a lot of experience with this uh myself. Um and experience with this uh myself. Um and experience with this uh myself. Um and um it's definitely it's definitely a a um it's definitely it's definitely a a um it's definitely it's definitely a a challenge to tackle and that's why I challenge to tackle and that's why I challenge to tackle and that's why I think it's a good thing to talk about think it's a good thing to talk about think it's a good thing to talk about because fitness uh can be a path out of because fitness uh can be a path out of because fitness uh can be a path out of body dysmorphia or it could drive you body dysmorphia or it could drive you body dysmorphia or it could drive you straight into the arms of body straight into the arms of body straight into the arms of body dysmorphia in a way that makes it uh far dysmorphia in a way that makes it uh far dysmorphia in a way that makes it uh far worse. And so it's like a double-edged worse. And so it's like a double-edged worse. And so it's like a double-edged sword. um when we're when we're dealing sword. um when we're when we're dealing sword. um when we're when we're dealing with this. with this. with this. >> What do you think are some of the most >> What do you think are some of the most >> What do you think are some of the most common forms of that? Do you think it's common forms of that? Do you think it's common forms of that? Do you think it's uh mostly people like things like uh uh mostly people like things like uh uh mostly people like things like uh anorexia? Do you think orthorexia? anorexia? Do you think orthorexia? anorexia? Do you think orthorexia? >> Okay. Yeah. So, so explain all the >> Okay. Yeah. So, so explain all the >> Okay. Yeah. So, so explain all the different types of kind of body different types of kind of body different types of kind of body dysmorphia that you could have and what dysmorphia that you could have and what dysmorphia that you could have and what do you think are probably the most do you think are probably the most do you think are probably the most >> Well, the I mean we're well general >> Well, the I mean we're well general >> Well, the I mean we're well general because it can be it can be pretty but I because it can be it can be pretty but I because it can be it can be pretty but I I do want to say this. None of us are I do want to say this. None of us are I do want to say this. None of us are are therapists or psychologists. We're are therapists or psychologists. We're are therapists or psychologists. We're fitness uh experts. So, we're speaking fitness uh experts. So, we're speaking fitness uh experts. So, we're speaking from experience. Uh, but you have the from experience. Uh, but you have the from experience. Uh, but you have the classic anorexia where you restrict, classic anorexia where you restrict, classic anorexia where you restrict, starve yourself. Bulimia, this is where starve yourself. Bulimia, this is where starve yourself. Bulimia, this is where you you purge, make yourself throw up. you you purge, make yourself throw up. you you purge, make yourself throw up. Uh, reverse anorexia. Don't know what Uh, reverse anorexia. Don't know what Uh, reverse anorexia. Don't know what the technical or clinical name is. This the technical or clinical name is. This the technical or clinical name is. This is what you may see bodybuilders suffer is what you may see bodybuilders suffer is what you may see bodybuilders suffer from from from >> where they never feel big enough, >> where they never feel big enough, >> where they never feel big enough, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Um, and so they take extreme measures, >> Um, and so they take extreme measures, >> Um, and so they take extreme measures, >> drug use with that. Yeah. >> drug use with that. Yeah. >> drug use with that. Yeah. >> The anabolic steroid use and just >> The anabolic steroid use and just >> The anabolic steroid use and just extreme exercise. extreme exercise. extreme exercise. >> Is that called like bigorexia or >> Is that called like bigorexia or >> Is that called like bigorexia or something like I don't know what the you something like I don't know what the you something like I don't know what the you can look up reverse anorexia and see if can look up reverse anorexia and see if can look up reverse anorexia and see if the actual term bigexia I think is like the actual term bigexia I think is like the actual term bigexia I think is like the slang term for it. the slang term for it. the slang term for it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Uh orthorexia is the obsession with >> Uh orthorexia is the obsession with >> Uh orthorexia is the obsession with everything being perfect and healthy. everything being perfect and healthy. everything being perfect and healthy. >> It's like counting everything, measuring >> It's like counting everything, measuring >> It's like counting everything, measuring everything. Everything has to be everything. Everything has to be everything. Everything has to be organic. Everything has to be um you organic. Everything has to be um you organic. Everything has to be um you know know know >> oh just as muscle dysphoria. >> oh just as muscle dysphoria. >> oh just as muscle dysphoria. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh bigia. >> Oh bigia. >> Oh bigia. >> They did say bigia. Okay. >> They did say bigia. Okay. >> They did say bigia. Okay. >> So those would be the more common ones. >> So those would be the more common ones. >> So those would be the more common ones. Um and just again it's that sense of uh Um and just again it's that sense of uh Um and just again it's that sense of uh control. And wouldn't wouldn't you also control. And wouldn't wouldn't you also control. And wouldn't wouldn't you also say south? So th those are all kind of say south? So th those are all kind of say south? So th those are all kind of the the main popular categories. the the main popular categories. the the main popular categories. >> And then within those those categories >> And then within those those categories >> And then within those those categories is a spectrum, is a spectrum, is a spectrum, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> So there there there's also that, right? >> So there there there's also that, right? >> So there there there's also that, right? Because there's also uh you know these Because there's also uh you know these Because there's also uh you know these are the clinical definitions or clinical are the clinical definitions or clinical are the clinical definitions or clinical names for these names for these names for these >> but sometimes it may not be uh you know >> but sometimes it may not be uh you know >> but sometimes it may not be uh you know diagnosed that but diagnosed that but diagnosed that but >> you are you lean in that direction. I'll >> you are you lean in that direction. I'll >> you are you lean in that direction. I'll say this. Look, it is really hard to say this. Look, it is really hard to say this. Look, it is really hard to grow up and live in a media obsessed grow up and live in a media obsessed grow up and live in a media obsessed modern society modern society modern society >> and not to one degree or another uh >> and not to one degree or another uh >> and not to one degree or another uh struggle with some kind of body struggle with some kind of body struggle with some kind of body dysmorphia. dysmorphia. dysmorphia. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it's very difficult when you're >> it's very difficult when you're >> it's very difficult when you're constantly being shown and sold perfect constantly being shown and sold perfect constantly being shown and sold perfect bodies. Uh when it's being overvalued, bodies. Uh when it's being overvalued, bodies. Uh when it's being overvalued, uh it's becoming more prevalent in young uh it's becoming more prevalent in young uh it's becoming more prevalent in young men now. This used to be something only men now. This used to be something only men now. This used to be something only young women suffer from. now young men young women suffer from. now young men young women suffer from. now young men uh one of their top anxieties is not uh one of their top anxieties is not uh one of their top anxieties is not looking um good enough. So it's uh it's looking um good enough. So it's uh it's looking um good enough. So it's uh it's to get out of this modern society to get out of this modern society to get out of this modern society unscathed from this I think is very unscathed from this I think is very unscathed from this I think is very difficult. At some point everybody kind difficult. At some point everybody kind difficult. At some point everybody kind of knows what this feels like. Um and of knows what this feels like. Um and of knows what this feels like. Um and you're right there's degrees. Well, you're right there's degrees. Well, you're right there's degrees. Well, especially like what drives you into especially like what drives you into especially like what drives you into fitness. If it's like the shame of fitness. If it's like the shame of fitness. If it's like the shame of whatever body, you know, you're trying whatever body, you know, you're trying whatever body, you know, you're trying to um correct something about yourself to um correct something about yourself to um correct something about yourself and that's like the main driver of you and that's like the main driver of you and that's like the main driver of you coming in and, you know, it's really coming in and, you know, it's really coming in and, you know, it's really hard to not like have that obsession, hard to not like have that obsession, hard to not like have that obsession, you know, going into like trying to you know, going into like trying to you know, going into like trying to solve this and it becomes, you know, solve this and it becomes, you know, solve this and it becomes, you know, problematic. to your point, I'm curious problematic. to your point, I'm curious problematic. to your point, I'm curious what because we um I mean we've all what because we um I mean we've all what because we um I mean we've all talked about this uh I mean you and I talked about this uh I mean you and I talked about this uh I mean you and I probably more uh about like the that we probably more uh about like the that we probably more uh about like the that we this is what drove us to fitness this is what drove us to fitness this is what drove us to fitness originally, right? Um, this was originally, right? Um, this was originally, right? Um, this was originally what got me to go to the gym originally what got me to go to the gym originally what got me to go to the gym the first time was insecurities around the first time was insecurities around the first time was insecurities around my body and and wanting to be [snorts] my body and and wanting to be [snorts] my body and and wanting to be [snorts] big and uh, you know, and so we've we've big and uh, you know, and so we've we've big and uh, you know, and so we've we've talked about now when we grew up, social talked about now when we grew up, social talked about now when we grew up, social media didn't exist. media didn't exist. media didn't exist. >> And so the fact that it affected me and >> And so the fact that it affected me and >> And so the fact that it affected me and I didn't have that, I can't imagine what I didn't have that, I can't imagine what I didn't have that, I can't imagine what the the statistics are on somebody the the statistics are on somebody the the statistics are on somebody growing up today versus someone else growing up today versus someone else growing up today versus someone else where where where >> Yeah. you are and and the amount of time >> Yeah. you are and and the amount of time >> Yeah. you are and and the amount of time that uh the this generation spends on that uh the this generation spends on that uh the this generation spends on their phones and following people that their phones and following people that their phones and following people that they aspire to look like or be like uh they aspire to look like or be like uh they aspire to look like or be like uh and then those people, you know, and then those people, you know, and then those people, you know, photoshopping, filtering, only putting photoshopping, filtering, only putting photoshopping, filtering, only putting their best images out. I mean, it just their best images out. I mean, it just their best images out. I mean, it just has to completely exacerbate this has to completely exacerbate this has to completely exacerbate this problem. Like, I mean, how many X has problem. Like, I mean, how many X has problem. Like, I mean, how many X has this got in the last two decades? Yeah, this got in the last two decades? Yeah, this got in the last two decades? Yeah, it has to have exploded. it has to have exploded. it has to have exploded. >> Yeah. And it's uh it's such a distorted >> Yeah. And it's uh it's such a distorted >> Yeah. And it's uh it's such a distorted reality. Um I don't know, maybe Doug, reality. Um I don't know, maybe Doug, reality. Um I don't know, maybe Doug, you can look up how much time the you can look up how much time the you can look up how much time the average uh let's say teenager spends on average uh let's say teenager spends on average uh let's say teenager spends on social media or average 20-year-old. social media or average 20-year-old. social media or average 20-year-old. >> Before that, it's like you're looking at >> Before that, it's like you're looking at >> Before that, it's like you're looking at a magazine. a magazine. a magazine. >> Yeah. Magazine, an ad. >> Yeah. Magazine, an ad. >> Yeah. Magazine, an ad. >> Ad or Yeah. on TV maybe, but you don't >> Ad or Yeah. on TV maybe, but you don't >> Ad or Yeah. on TV maybe, but you don't spend a lot of time like you do with the spend a lot of time like you do with the spend a lot of time like you do with the phone constantly. phone constantly. phone constantly. >> Well, it it's totally distorts your >> Well, it it's totally distorts your >> Well, it it's totally distorts your reality. Like if I pull up So the reality. Like if I pull up So the reality. Like if I pull up So the average Okay. average Okay. average Okay. >> Yeah. Cuz when when we grew up, to your >> Yeah. Cuz when when we grew up, to your >> Yeah. Cuz when when we grew up, to your point, you saw an ad, you saw a point, you saw an ad, you saw a point, you saw an ad, you saw a commercial, commercial, commercial, >> maybe there was that one kid or two at >> maybe there was that one kid or two at >> maybe there was that one kid or two at school that was likely, school that was likely, school that was likely, >> yeah, that was so gifted and and >> yeah, that was so gifted and and >> yeah, that was so gifted and and beautiful, perfect, what, like so rare. beautiful, perfect, what, like so rare. beautiful, perfect, what, like so rare. But even then, you see them on their bad But even then, you see them on their bad But even then, you see them on their bad days. Like in social media, days. Like in social media, days. Like in social media, >> like you only see a highlight reel and >> like you only see a highlight reel and >> like you only see a highlight reel and how many people are filtering it and and how many people are filtering it and and how many people are filtering it and and it's only their best angles, their best it's only their best angles, their best it's only their best angles, their best lighting, their best. lighting, their best. lighting, their best. >> It's distorting reality. Look, I'll give >> It's distorting reality. Look, I'll give >> It's distorting reality. Look, I'll give you guys an example. the the original you guys an example. the the original you guys an example. the the original Tarzan movie. Maybe you can look it up, Tarzan movie. Maybe you can look it up, Tarzan movie. Maybe you can look it up, Doug. Look up the original Tarzan. By Doug. Look up the original Tarzan. By Doug. Look up the original Tarzan. By the way, he was the man who played it. the way, he was the man who played it. the way, he was the man who played it. And I want to get his name. He was in And I want to get his name. He was in And I want to get his name. He was in >> Johnny Weism. What was his name? >> Johnny Weism. What was his name? >> Johnny Weism. What was his name? >> Johnny Weism. Jesus. How'd you know >> Johnny Weism. Jesus. How'd you know >> Johnny Weism. Jesus. How'd you know that? that? that? >> Cuz I was growing up back then. >> Cuz I was growing up back then. >> Cuz I was growing up back then. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> That was I had to do the old age joke. >> That was I had to do the old age joke. >> That was I had to do the old age joke. That was very quick to have a random That was very quick to have a random That was very quick to have a random name. He name. He name. He >> was very famous back in the day. Never >> was very famous back in the day. Never >> was very famous back in the day. Never heard of my favorite Takis. heard of my favorite Takis. heard of my favorite Takis. >> So he was considered really fit. Doug >> So he was considered really fit. Doug >> So he was considered really fit. Doug had a poster poster of had a poster poster of had a poster poster of >> Okay. This is the original. This is 19 >> Okay. This is the original. This is 19 >> Okay. This is the original. This is 19 When was this When was this movie uh When was this When was this movie uh When was this When was this movie uh come out? When did it come out? come out? When did it come out? come out? When did it come out? >> 1904. >> 1904. >> 1904. >> That's when he was born. >> That's when he was born. >> That's when he was born. >> Uh when did Tarzan come out? 1950 >> Uh when did Tarzan come out? 1950 >> Uh when did Tarzan come out? 1950 >> something. >> something. >> something. >> Yeah. Let me see. Doug >> Yeah. Let me see. Doug >> Yeah. Let me see. Doug >> Doug just totally dated him. So, >> Doug just totally dated him. So, >> Doug just totally dated him. So, [laughter] >> hey, all this dude's pictures are in >> hey, all this dude's pictures are in black and white. black and white. black and white. >> 1932 and 19 uh between 1932 and 194. >> 1932 and 19 uh between 1932 and 194. >> 1932 and 19 uh between 1932 and 194. >> Look at So, look at a picture. >> Look at So, look at a picture. >> Look at So, look at a picture. >> That's my parents, you know. Oh, >> That's my parents, you know. Oh, >> That's my parents, you know. Oh, [laughter] no. [laughter] no. [laughter] no. >> Is Doug back Look at Doug backpedaling >> Is Doug back Look at Doug backpedaling >> Is Doug back Look at Doug backpedaling right now. That's my dad. But dad's right now. That's my dad. But dad's right now. That's my dad. But dad's favorite show. favorite show. favorite show. >> No. So if you look up a p look at a >> No. So if you look up a p look at a >> No. So if you look up a p look at a picture of him in that Tarzan movie, picture of him in that Tarzan movie, picture of him in that Tarzan movie, >> he was known for having this incredible >> he was known for having this incredible >> he was known for having this incredible physique. There he is right there. physique. There he is right there. physique. There he is right there. >> You know what he looks like? He looks >> You know what he looks like? He looks >> You know what he looks like? He looks like just like a fit dude. Yeah. Average like just like a fit dude. Yeah. Average like just like a fit dude. Yeah. Average fit guy that works out at the gym. fit guy that works out at the gym. fit guy that works out at the gym. >> Very average. I mean, you're talking >> Very average. I mean, you're talking >> Very average. I mean, you're talking about like uh he's probably 18% right about like uh he's probably 18% right about like uh he's probably 18% right now. now. now. >> If if somebody looked at that now, you >> If if somebody looked at that now, you >> If if somebody looked at that now, you know, because we're so distorted, know, because we're so distorted, know, because we're so distorted, someone might not even think he worked someone might not even think he worked someone might not even think he worked out. Even though he was a high level out. Even though he was a high level out. Even though he was a high level swimmer, he looks like a normal dude. swimmer, he looks like a normal dude. swimmer, he looks like a normal dude. >> That's actually what he looks like. He >> That's actually what he looks like. He >> That's actually what he looks like. He looks like a swimmer. looks like a swimmer. looks like a swimmer. >> He was a swimmer. kind of a normal dude. >> He was a swimmer. kind of a normal dude. >> He was a swimmer. kind of a normal dude. You look at Superman, the old Superman. You look at Superman, the old Superman. You look at Superman, the old Superman. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> People were like, "That's super fit." >> People were like, "That's super fit." >> People were like, "That's super fit." It's gotten so distorted. Here's what It's gotten so distorted. Here's what It's gotten so distorted. Here's what happens. This is the example I've given happens. This is the example I've given happens. This is the example I've given before another podcast. Imagine if for 5 before another podcast. Imagine if for 5 before another podcast. Imagine if for 5 hours a day, cuz that's what it says hours a day, cuz that's what it says hours a day, cuz that's what it says with teenagers on social media for 5 with teenagers on social media for 5 with teenagers on social media for 5 hours a day. Okay? Imagine if for 5 hours a day. Okay? Imagine if for 5 hours a day. Okay? Imagine if for 5 hours a day, all you did was hang out hours a day, all you did was hang out hours a day, all you did was hang out with NBA players. That's all you did for with NBA players. That's all you did for with NBA players. That's all you did for 5 hours every day. 5 hours every day. 5 hours every day. >> Yeah. You think everybody's 7 foot tall, >> Yeah. You think everybody's 7 foot tall, >> Yeah. You think everybody's 7 foot tall, >> bro? You would you could be 6'4 and >> bro? You would you could be 6'4 and >> bro? You would you could be 6'4 and you'd be like, "Man, I am tiny." you'd be like, "Man, I am tiny." you'd be like, "Man, I am tiny." >> Yeah. I am a small person because I'm >> Yeah. I am a small person because I'm >> Yeah. I am a small person because I'm surrounded by 7 foot tall giants all the surrounded by 7 foot tall giants all the surrounded by 7 foot tall giants all the time. So, it's it's distorted things so time. So, it's it's distorted things so time. So, it's it's distorted things so much. I don't I think uh most people at much. I don't I think uh most people at much. I don't I think uh most people at some point have suffered from some of some point have suffered from some of some point have suffered from some of this. this. this. >> And there are ways that you can kind of >> And there are ways that you can kind of >> And there are ways that you can kind of get your way out of it. And fitness is a get your way out of it. And fitness is a get your way out of it. And fitness is a great way to do it, but it can also be a great way to do it, but it can also be a great way to do it, but it can also be a great way to get you in it real deep. Um great way to get you in it real deep. Um great way to get you in it real deep. Um and it can make things a lot worse. and it can make things a lot worse. and it can make things a lot worse. >> You can reinforce it or >> You can reinforce it or >> You can reinforce it or >> Well, yeah. That's the And I think >> Well, yeah. That's the And I think >> Well, yeah. That's the And I think that's what we've seen happen with that's what we've seen happen with that's what we've seen happen with social media is that social media is that social media is that >> if you do push really hard and and and >> if you do push really hard and and and >> if you do push really hard and and and track all your calories and get your track all your calories and get your track all your calories and get your body this way and and then you get body this way and and then you get body this way and and then you get rewarded with likes and views and rewarded with likes and views and rewarded with likes and views and comments and so you get this like comments and so you get this like comments and so you get this like positive reinforcement and then you go, positive reinforcement and then you go, positive reinforcement and then you go, "Oh, well, I should do this for a living "Oh, well, I should do this for a living "Oh, well, I should do this for a living because because because >> people are asking me questions. How do I >> people are asking me questions. How do I >> people are asking me questions. How do I look like this and how do I get that look like this and how do I get that look like this and how do I get that way?" And like this is maybe this is my way?" And like this is maybe this is my way?" And like this is maybe this is my career path. And then so it's this career path. And then so it's this career path. And then so it's this natural progression of I get this natural progression of I get this natural progression of I get this reinforcement of how good I look when reinforcement of how good I look when reinforcement of how good I look when when it all started because I was driven when it all started because I was driven when it all started because I was driven by some insecurity because I didn't I by some insecurity because I didn't I by some insecurity because I didn't I wasn't enough. I didn't have this. I wasn't enough. I didn't have this. I wasn't enough. I didn't have this. I didn't look this. And then I start doing didn't look this. And then I start doing didn't look this. And then I start doing that. And then because I put it out that. And then because I put it out that. And then because I put it out there online, I start getting this there online, I start getting this there online, I start getting this feedback at a rate that you would never feedback at a rate that you would never feedback at a rate that you would never get in real life. And then all a sudden get in real life. And then all a sudden get in real life. And then all a sudden now it looks like a viable job or career now it looks like a viable job or career now it looks like a viable job or career for yourself. And then you get down that for yourself. And then you get down that for yourself. And then you get down that path. And then and then you get paid for path. And then and then you get paid for path. And then and then you get paid for it and you make a living off of it. And it and you make a living off of it. And it and you make a living off of it. And >> I'll say this to trainers. I'll >> I'll say this to trainers. I'll >> I'll say this to trainers. I'll encourage trainers. Uh this can make you encourage trainers. Uh this can make you encourage trainers. Uh this can make you really good at helping other people with really good at helping other people with really good at helping other people with these challenges. It did for me. these challenges. It did for me. these challenges. It did for me. >> In fact, it was a saving grace. It kept >> In fact, it was a saving grace. It kept >> In fact, it was a saving grace. It kept me from going too extreme. me from going too extreme. me from going too extreme. >> Uh because of coaching um other people >> Uh because of coaching um other people >> Uh because of coaching um other people and caring about them. and caring about them. and caring about them. >> Well, you didn't I know this on your on >> Well, you didn't I know this on your on >> Well, you didn't I know this on your on your list of tips. You didn't put this your list of tips. You didn't put this your list of tips. You didn't put this on here, but we give this as a on here, but we give this as a on here, but we give this as a recommendation to people a lot of times recommendation to people a lot of times recommendation to people a lot of times that are suffering from this is to go that are suffering from this is to go that are suffering from this is to go help somebody else. help someone else help somebody else. help someone else help somebody else. help someone else >> because that was one of the best things >> because that was one of the best things >> because that was one of the best things for me too was to see to cuz again I for me too was to see to cuz again I for me too was to see to cuz again I think that we all seem to fall on think that we all seem to fall on think that we all seem to fall on somewhat of a spectrum of this somewhat of a spectrum of this somewhat of a spectrum of this >> and to see people even at a higher >> and to see people even at a higher >> and to see people even at a higher crazier spectrum it's really eye opening crazier spectrum it's really eye opening crazier spectrum it's really eye opening for yourself like oh my god I can't for yourself like oh my god I can't for yourself like oh my god I can't believe he thinks of himself or she believe he thinks of himself or she believe he thinks of himself or she thinks of himself that way and you're thinks of himself that way and you're thinks of himself that way and you're like wow I have a bit of that like wow I have a bit of that like wow I have a bit of that >> that's right >> that's right >> that's right >> you know and so it's this this this >> you know and so it's this this this >> you know and so it's this this this great mirror and then as you're coaching great mirror and then as you're coaching great mirror and then as you're coaching that person through that like trying to that person through that like trying to that person through that like trying to help them out you're like oh wow I'm a help them out you're like oh wow I'm a help them out you're like oh wow I'm a version of this maybe I'm not as bad but version of this maybe I'm not as bad but version of this maybe I'm not as bad but I'm definitely a version I'm definitely a version I'm definitely a version >> or you give advice that you should take >> or you give advice that you should take >> or you give advice that you should take yourself. yourself. yourself. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that happens to me all the time. >> that happens to me all the time. >> that happens to me all the time. >> So, I think the first thing is really >> So, I think the first thing is really >> So, I think the first thing is really you have to try to get comfortable with you have to try to get comfortable with you have to try to get comfortable with being uncomfortable cuz being uncomfortable cuz being uncomfortable cuz >> if this is you, you derive a sense of >> if this is you, you derive a sense of >> if this is you, you derive a sense of comfort from whatever your behavior is. comfort from whatever your behavior is. comfort from whatever your behavior is. So, for I'll give you an example cuz I' So, for I'll give you an example cuz I' So, for I'll give you an example cuz I' I've gotten on I've gotten on the on I've gotten on I've gotten on the on I've gotten on I've gotten on the on calls with some of our clients um here calls with some of our clients um here calls with some of our clients um here at Mind Pump. So, we have trainers that at Mind Pump. So, we have trainers that at Mind Pump. So, we have trainers that work here and uh they work with clients work here and uh they work with clients work here and uh they work with clients and I love to pop in. It's one of my and I love to pop in. It's one of my and I love to pop in. It's one of my favorite things to do and I tell my favorite things to do and I tell my favorite things to do and I tell my trainers, listen, if any of your clients trainers, listen, if any of your clients trainers, listen, if any of your clients ever request to have me on as much as I ever request to have me on as much as I ever request to have me on as much as I can, and I can't do it all the time, can, and I can't do it all the time, can, and I can't do it all the time, obviously, because I have I have to, you obviously, because I have I have to, you obviously, because I have I have to, you know, do the work that we do, I'll get know, do the work that we do, I'll get know, do the work that we do, I'll get on anytime I can, especially if this on anytime I can, especially if this on anytime I can, especially if this person is challenged by something. person is challenged by something. person is challenged by something. >> Well, that's tends to be, just so the >> Well, that's tends to be, just so the >> Well, that's tends to be, just so the audience knows, because I don't think audience knows, because I don't think audience knows, because I don't think you should put that out there like that you should put that out there like that you should put that out there like that because everybody's going to ask for because everybody's going to ask for because everybody's going to ask for >> Yeah. Yeah. what you do a good job of is >> Yeah. Yeah. what you do a good job of is >> Yeah. Yeah. what you do a good job of is you've told the trainers that if you you've told the trainers that if you you've told the trainers that if you have a really client a client that's have a really client a client that's have a really client a client that's challenged with with something like this challenged with with something like this challenged with with something like this >> that you've you've tried to work through >> that you've you've tried to work through >> that you've you've tried to work through and they're still struggling and you and they're still struggling and you and they're still struggling and you want me to come on and help and want me to come on and help and want me to come on and help and >> and so what tends to happen is I get on >> and so what tends to happen is I get on >> and so what tends to happen is I get on with clients that have really difficult with clients that have really difficult with clients that have really difficult uh situations and I've talked to a uh situations and I've talked to a uh situations and I've talked to a couple um I talked to one woman a while couple um I talked to one woman a while couple um I talked to one woman a while ago who was she you know she had in in ago who was she you know she had in in ago who was she you know she had in in in treatment for anorexia she got in treatment for anorexia she got in treatment for anorexia she got released um and she's like uh I'm done I released um and she's like uh I'm done I released um and she's like uh I'm done I don't want to do this anymore anymore. I don't want to do this anymore anymore. I don't want to do this anymore anymore. I don't want to work with therapists don't want to work with therapists don't want to work with therapists anymore. This was her own personal thing anymore. This was her own personal thing anymore. This was her own personal thing cuz of course we tell her, "Listen, cuz of course we tell her, "Listen, cuz of course we tell her, "Listen, we're not therapists." She's like, we're not therapists." She's like, we're not therapists." She's like, "Look, I want to work with one of your "Look, I want to work with one of your "Look, I want to work with one of your coaches." And we sat down, we talked, coaches." And we sat down, we talked, coaches." And we sat down, we talked, and I said, "Here's the deal." I said, and I said, "Here's the deal." I said, and I said, "Here's the deal." I said, "Um, just to be I'm going to be very "Um, just to be I'm going to be very "Um, just to be I'm going to be very honest with you. This is going to feel honest with you. This is going to feel honest with you. This is going to feel very uncomfortable very uncomfortable very uncomfortable >> there. I tell people to listen to their >> there. I tell people to listen to their >> there. I tell people to listen to their body all the time." body all the time." body all the time." >> Yeah. They can't listen to their body. >> Yeah. They can't listen to their body. >> Yeah. They can't listen to their body. >> You can't listen to your body cuz you're >> You can't listen to your body cuz you're >> You can't listen to your body cuz you're going to eat 1,200 calories and you're going to eat 1,200 calories and you're going to eat 1,200 calories and you're going to feel bloated and stuffed like going to feel bloated and stuffed like going to feel bloated and stuffed like you're stuffing yourself. And that's you're stuffing yourself. And that's you're stuffing yourself. And that's what you're going to have to kind of get what you're going to have to kind of get what you're going to have to kind of get used to for a little while used to for a little while used to for a little while >> for someone like me, especially when I >> for someone like me, especially when I >> for someone like me, especially when I was a kid, was a kid, was a kid, >> which I think it's important you explain >> which I think it's important you explain >> which I think it's important you explain why that is because this person has why that is because this person has why that is because this person has conditioned themsel to be so comfortable conditioned themsel to be so comfortable conditioned themsel to be so comfortable with feeling empty and hungry almost all with feeling empty and hungry almost all with feeling empty and hungry almost all the time. the time. the time. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> So, they're so used to being empty. >> So, they're so used to being empty. >> So, they're so used to being empty. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Okay. and what someone else might call >> Okay. and what someone else might call >> Okay. and what someone else might call starving or depleted or flat or all the starving or depleted or flat or all the starving or depleted or flat or all the terms that we use for someone who terms that we use for someone who terms that we use for someone who doesn't have a lot of calories in them doesn't have a lot of calories in them doesn't have a lot of calories in them >> that this person has now found that's >> that this person has now found that's >> that this person has now found that's their normal that's their comfortable. their normal that's their comfortable. their normal that's their comfortable. Anything beyond that feels overly Anything beyond that feels overly Anything beyond that feels overly stuffed. stuffed. stuffed. >> I this so I got real I conditioned >> I this so I got real I conditioned >> I this so I got real I conditioned myself to when I ate I would eat until I myself to when I ate I would eat until I myself to when I ate I would eat until I couldn't eat anymore. And this was as a couldn't eat anymore. And this was as a couldn't eat anymore. And this was as a kid cuz I was always trying to gain kid cuz I was always trying to gain kid cuz I was always trying to gain weight. When I started to eat more weight. When I started to eat more weight. When I started to eat more properly I started to realize like I I'm properly I started to realize like I I'm properly I started to realize like I I'm not even hungry. Why am I feeding myself not even hungry. Why am I feeding myself not even hungry. Why am I feeding myself so much food? I had to get comfortable so much food? I had to get comfortable so much food? I had to get comfortable with not being stuffed. How funny is with not being stuffed. How funny is with not being stuffed. How funny is that? Because my uh issue was always that? Because my uh issue was always that? Because my uh issue was always trying to get bigger. Um and so this may trying to get bigger. Um and so this may trying to get bigger. Um and so this may look like it may look like this for you. look like it may look like this for you. look like it may look like this for you. Not doing tons of cardio all the time or Not doing tons of cardio all the time or Not doing tons of cardio all the time or not going to the gym as often as you do. not going to the gym as often as you do. not going to the gym as often as you do. Uh or skipping some workouts or doing Uh or skipping some workouts or doing Uh or skipping some workouts or doing workouts that are totally different from workouts that are totally different from workouts that are totally different from the ones that you know you probably the ones that you know you probably the ones that you know you probably should do less of. And so getting should do less of. And so getting should do less of. And so getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. It comfortable with being uncomfortable. It comfortable with being uncomfortable. It doesn't mean you're going to be doesn't mean you're going to be doesn't mean you're going to be comfortable. I know people say that comfortable. I know people say that comfortable. I know people say that term. It just means get used to the fact term. It just means get used to the fact term. It just means get used to the fact or accept that this is gonna be or accept that this is gonna be or accept that this is gonna be uncomfortable. This process is gonna be uncomfortable. This process is gonna be uncomfortable. This process is gonna be uncomfortable. uncomfortable. uncomfortable. >> Um the next thing is and this one is a >> Um the next thing is and this one is a >> Um the next thing is and this one is a big one is you want to outsource some or big one is you want to outsource some or big one is you want to outsource some or all of this to someone else. all of this to someone else. all of this to someone else. >> Uh this is where a coach can really come >> Uh this is where a coach can really come >> Uh this is where a coach can really come in handy. Uh because a coach could tell in handy. Uh because a coach could tell in handy. Uh because a coach could tell you here's what your workout's going to you here's what your workout's going to you here's what your workout's going to look like. Uh and you're just going to look like. Uh and you're just going to look like. Uh and you're just going to and you just do what they tell you. Or and you just do what they tell you. Or and you just do what they tell you. Or look, we're going to have you eat this look, we're going to have you eat this look, we're going to have you eat this much and I know it feels like too much much and I know it feels like too much much and I know it feels like too much for you or too little for you. Uh but for you or too little for you. Uh but for you or too little for you. Uh but this is what you need to eat. And you this is what you need to eat. And you this is what you need to eat. And you got to outsource that control because a got to outsource that control because a got to outsource that control because a lot of this comes with a sense of lot of this comes with a sense of lot of this comes with a sense of control. control. control. >> There's so much internal conflict. It's >> There's so much internal conflict. It's >> There's so much internal conflict. It's just yeah, just necessary for you to just yeah, just necessary for you to just yeah, just necessary for you to offload that to a coach to really, you offload that to a coach to really, you offload that to a coach to really, you know, sift through that and give you the know, sift through that and give you the know, sift through that and give you the the right answers. Do the right answers. Do the right answers. Do >> you know when I realized just how >> you know when I realized just how >> you know when I realized just how important this is for this person that important this is for this person that important this is for this person that we're speaking to? And I really realized we're speaking to? And I really realized we're speaking to? And I really realized this was actually in the in the this was actually in the in the this was actually in the in the competitive world. competitive world. competitive world. >> And the reason why I say that was I was >> And the reason why I say that was I was >> And the reason why I say that was I was scratching my head why you had people scratching my head why you had people scratching my head why you had people let's say Phil [snorts] Heath for let's say Phil [snorts] Heath for let's say Phil [snorts] Heath for example. He's you dude there's that dude example. He's you dude there's that dude example. He's you dude there's that dude knows everything about macros and knows everything about macros and knows everything about macros and training. training. training. >> Yeah. Mr. Olympia >> Yeah. Mr. Olympia >> Yeah. Mr. Olympia >> needs needs a coach. Like all the greats >> needs needs a coach. Like all the greats >> needs needs a coach. Like all the greats all the people that had all these that all the people that had all these that all the people that had all these that all had coaches. And it made so much all had coaches. And it made so much all had coaches. And it made so much sense when you think about so many of sense when you think about so many of sense when you think about so many of these people are extreme versions of these people are extreme versions of these people are extreme versions of this that suffer from this and that's this that suffer from this and that's this that suffer from this and that's what they and they've just taken it to a what they and they've just taken it to a what they and they've just taken it to a whole another level. But they're also whole another level. But they're also whole another level. But they're also the same people that are in their head the same people that are in their head the same people that are in their head the most about their bodies and they the most about their bodies and they the most about their bodies and they can't they and if they're constantly can't they and if they're constantly can't they and if they're constantly assessing and looking at themselves and assessing and looking at themselves and assessing and looking at themselves and critiquing themselves critiquing themselves critiquing themselves >> analyzing data and all that obsessing >> analyzing data and all that obsessing >> analyzing data and all that obsessing >> and again I think I I know what it's >> and again I think I I know what it's >> and again I think I I know what it's like because I fall on the spectrum of like because I fall on the spectrum of like because I fall on the spectrum of that. I'm not as extreme as that and I' that. I'm not as extreme as that and I' that. I'm not as extreme as that and I' and I've shared on the podcast before of and I've shared on the podcast before of and I've shared on the podcast before of how much I could get in my own head of how much I could get in my own head of how much I could get in my own head of like I know I'm doing all the own like I know I'm doing all the own like I know I'm doing all the own things. Luckily, I'm self-aware enough things. Luckily, I'm self-aware enough things. Luckily, I'm self-aware enough to know to know to know >> that that stay the course, Adam. I know >> that that stay the course, Adam. I know >> that that stay the course, Adam. I know I'm doing the right things because I was I'm doing the right things because I was I'm doing the right things because I was coaching myself through this process. coaching myself through this process. coaching myself through this process. >> But I remember the the mental games of >> But I remember the the mental games of >> But I remember the the mental games of looking at myself in the mirror and then looking at myself in the mirror and then looking at myself in the mirror and then and judging and going, "Oh my god, this and judging and going, "Oh my god, this and judging and going, "Oh my god, this is bad. This overorrect." is bad. This overorrect." is bad. This overorrect." >> Yeah. and then wanting to go the other >> Yeah. and then wanting to go the other >> Yeah. and then wanting to go the other direction and then having to like talk direction and then having to like talk direction and then having to like talk myself off that ledge which is made so myself off that ledge which is made so myself off that ledge which is made so much more sense to me like oh this is much more sense to me like oh this is much more sense to me like oh this is why why why >> think about how effective this would >> think about how effective this would >> think about how effective this would have been like cuz you and I are similar have been like cuz you and I are similar have been like cuz you and I are similar right as a kid always trying to be big right as a kid always trying to be big right as a kid always trying to be big never allowing yourself to let's say go never allowing yourself to let's say go never allowing yourself to let's say go on a cut having a coach be like no no no on a cut having a coach be like no no no on a cut having a coach be like no no no you're fine you're not getting small you're fine you're not getting small you're fine you're not getting small don't worry you're just getting leaner don't worry you're just getting leaner don't worry you're just getting leaner totally you know really be it would have totally you know really be it would have totally you know really be it would have been effective uh or beneficial to be been effective uh or beneficial to be been effective uh or beneficial to be able to outsource that to somebody able to outsource that to somebody able to outsource that to somebody >> for sure >> for sure >> for sure >> um and I think this is uh a valuable >> um and I think this is uh a valuable >> um and I think this is uh a valuable strategy I think a good coach strategy I think a good coach strategy I think a good coach >> will do by the way if you pick a coach >> will do by the way if you pick a coach >> will do by the way if you pick a coach to do this. Make sure they're qualified to do this. Make sure they're qualified to do this. Make sure they're qualified uh that can do this because what you uh that can do this because what you uh that can do this because what you don't want to do is get a coach that'll don't want to do is get a coach that'll don't want to do is get a coach that'll strengthen your because it could go in strengthen your because it could go in strengthen your because it could go in the opposite the opposite the opposite >> which this also speaking about the >> which this also speaking about the >> which this also speaking about the competitive space. This happens a lot. competitive space. This happens a lot. competitive space. This happens a lot. You get somebody who has no business You get somebody who has no business You get somebody who has no business competing because they already have an competing because they already have an competing because they already have an extreme version of body dysmorphia and extreme version of body dysmorphia and extreme version of body dysmorphia and then they hire a coach who takes them to then they hire a coach who takes them to then they hire a coach who takes them to extreme levels of eating and training extreme levels of eating and training extreme levels of eating and training and just pushes that person even further and just pushes that person even further and just pushes that person even further down this hole. down this hole. down this hole. >> Yeah. Next, you know, you want to focus >> Yeah. Next, you know, you want to focus >> Yeah. Next, you know, you want to focus on a healthy objective metric. So, I on a healthy objective metric. So, I on a healthy objective metric. So, I I've told this story many times because I've told this story many times because I've told this story many times because it was the first time that this really it was the first time that this really it was the first time that this really occurred to me, but I as a young I was a occurred to me, but I as a young I was a occurred to me, but I as a young I was a young trainer. I remember how old I was. young trainer. I remember how old I was. young trainer. I remember how old I was. I was either probably 19 and I had I was either probably 19 and I had I was either probably 19 and I had trained these uh this couple and then trained these uh this couple and then trained these uh this couple and then they had hired me to train their they had hired me to train their they had hired me to train their daughter and they had told me, "Look, daughter and they had told me, "Look, daughter and they had told me, "Look, our daughter uh suffers from anorexia. our daughter uh suffers from anorexia. our daughter uh suffers from anorexia. Uh she got out of the her treatment. Uh she got out of the her treatment. Uh she got out of the her treatment. She's gaining some weight. we want her She's gaining some weight. we want her She's gaining some weight. we want her to exercise now. We want her to strength to exercise now. We want her to strength to exercise now. We want her to strength train to strengthen her body. Um, and so train to strengthen her body. Um, and so train to strengthen her body. Um, and so we'd like to hire you because they we'd like to hire you because they we'd like to hire you because they trusted me because I'd trained them. And trusted me because I'd trained them. And trusted me because I'd trained them. And I actually got on the phone with uh the I actually got on the phone with uh the I actually got on the phone with uh the young lady's therapist because I had no young lady's therapist because I had no young lady's therapist because I had no I've never worked with anybody with I've never worked with anybody with I've never worked with anybody with this. And I asked her, "What do I do? this. And I asked her, "What do I do? this. And I asked her, "What do I do? What do you want me to do? [snorts] What What do you want me to do? [snorts] What What do you want me to do? [snorts] What are the smart things to do?" She said, are the smart things to do?" She said, are the smart things to do?" She said, "Don't focus on her body. Don't do body "Don't focus on her body. Don't do body "Don't focus on her body. Don't do body fat tests." Because she asked me, "What fat tests." Because she asked me, "What fat tests." Because she asked me, "What do you do with clients?" So, well, do you do with clients?" So, well, do you do with clients?" So, well, typically we weigh. We do body fat. typically we weigh. We do body fat. typically we weigh. We do body fat. Like, don't do any of that. She said, Like, don't do any of that. She said, Like, don't do any of that. She said, "Don't focus on any of that." And so I "Don't focus on any of that." And so I "Don't focus on any of that." And so I thought, well, what am I going to focus thought, well, what am I going to focus thought, well, what am I going to focus on? I said, strength. on? I said, strength. on? I said, strength. >> I'm gonna focus on getting her strong. >> I'm gonna focus on getting her strong. >> I'm gonna focus on getting her strong. And it worked so well. Now, it's not And it worked so well. Now, it's not And it worked so well. Now, it's not perfect because strength can become its perfect because strength can become its perfect because strength can become its own obsession. own obsession. own obsession. >> But for this young lady who suffer who >> But for this young lady who suffer who >> But for this young lady who suffer who had struggled with anorexia, getting her had struggled with anorexia, getting her had struggled with anorexia, getting her to focus on and then take joy in getting to focus on and then take joy in getting to focus on and then take joy in getting stronger meant she was moving in the stronger meant she was moving in the stronger meant she was moving in the right direction. It was a it was right direction. It was a it was right direction. It was a it was objective. You're either getting objective. You're either getting objective. You're either getting stronger, you're not. And you can't stronger, you're not. And you can't stronger, you're not. And you can't restrict and get stronger. You can't restrict and get stronger. You can't restrict and get stronger. You can't overtrain and get stronger. And so that overtrain and get stronger. And so that overtrain and get stronger. And so that was the direction that she moved. It may was the direction that she moved. It may was the direction that she moved. It may be for someone else mobility. It may be be for someone else mobility. It may be be for someone else mobility. It may be sleep. It may be uh connecting with sleep. It may be uh connecting with sleep. It may be uh connecting with people at the gym. It's something that's people at the gym. It's something that's people at the gym. It's something that's more objective, but that's also healthy. more objective, but that's also healthy. more objective, but that's also healthy. And then you can make that your target And then you can make that your target And then you can make that your target because uh some sense of control I think because uh some sense of control I think because uh some sense of control I think is necessary for people with body is necessary for people with body is necessary for people with body dysmorphia. Yeah. dysmorphia. Yeah. dysmorphia. Yeah. >> So when you have that metric, like for >> So when you have that metric, like for >> So when you have that metric, like for me, I'll give my example. So, my me, I'll give my example. So, my me, I'll give my example. So, my example, the healthiest I ever was with example, the healthiest I ever was with example, the healthiest I ever was with my relationship to fitness was when I my relationship to fitness was when I my relationship to fitness was when I did uh jiu-jitsu. did uh jiu-jitsu. did uh jiu-jitsu. >> That's when I had the healthiest >> That's when I had the healthiest >> That's when I had the healthiest relationship with it because it took me relationship with it because it took me relationship with it because it took me away from wanting to be big and wanting away from wanting to be big and wanting away from wanting to be big and wanting to get jacked and super strong because to get jacked and super strong because to get jacked and super strong because it kind of didn't help me in my it kind of didn't help me in my it kind of didn't help me in my jiu-jitsu. jiu-jitsu. jiu-jitsu. >> There's checks and balances with that. >> There's checks and balances with that. >> There's checks and balances with that. >> There were checks and balances. like if >> There were checks and balances. like if >> There were checks and balances. like if I lifted too much, I couldn't do I lifted too much, I couldn't do I lifted too much, I couldn't do jiu-jitsu really really well and I jiu-jitsu really really well and I jiu-jitsu really really well and I needed to be able to be mobile and I needed to be able to be mobile and I needed to be able to be mobile and I needed to to be so when I focused on my needed to to be so when I focused on my needed to to be so when I focused on my jiu-jitsu, it was the healthiest uh I jiu-jitsu, it was the healthiest uh I jiu-jitsu, it was the healthiest uh I ever was with that because it was a ever was with that because it was a ever was with that because it was a healthy objective metric. healthy objective metric. healthy objective metric. >> Yeah, I think the strength thing is is >> Yeah, I think the strength thing is is >> Yeah, I think the strength thing is is so valuable because it's a it's a so valuable because it's a it's a so valuable because it's a it's a measurable win that they can go after. measurable win that they can go after. measurable win that they can go after. And when this person is so used to using And when this person is so used to using And when this person is so used to using the mirror and the scale as the way of the mirror and the scale as the way of the mirror and the scale as the way of measuring their success or wins and you measuring their success or wins and you measuring their success or wins and you take that away from them, it's really take that away from them, it's really take that away from them, it's really difficult if you don't give them difficult if you don't give them difficult if you don't give them something that they can go tell me I'm something that they can go tell me I'm something that they can go tell me I'm doing the right thing cuz I don't feel doing the right thing cuz I don't feel doing the right thing cuz I don't feel it. I feel bloated. I feel terrible. I it. I feel bloated. I feel terrible. I it. I feel bloated. I feel terrible. I don't like the way I look. The scales don't like the way I look. The scales don't like the way I look. The scales going in the wrong direction. So please going in the wrong direction. So please going in the wrong direction. So please tell me there's something that is to tell me there's something that is to tell me there's something that is to signal to me that I'm and strength is a signal to me that I'm and strength is a signal to me that I'm and strength is a great thing for that. And so it great thing for that. And so it great thing for that. And so it [clears throat] gives him at least [clears throat] gives him at least [clears throat] gives him at least something some sort of positive something some sort of positive something some sort of positive reinforcement of, okay, we're going the reinforcement of, okay, we're going the reinforcement of, okay, we're going the right. I could trust this pro. I could right. I could trust this pro. I could right. I could trust this pro. I could trust this coach. I could trust this trust this coach. I could trust this trust this coach. I could trust this process. He's showing me that I'm process. He's showing me that I'm process. He's showing me that I'm getting stronger here. He's telling me getting stronger here. He's telling me getting stronger here. He's telling me that this is the pathway cuz all these that this is the pathway cuz all these that this is the pathway cuz all these other markers that I'm so used to other markers that I'm so used to other markers that I'm so used to looking at are signaling to me that this looking at are signaling to me that this looking at are signaling to me that this is not good. is not good. is not good. >> Which brings us to the next one. Don't >> Which brings us to the next one. Don't >> Which brings us to the next one. Don't study your body or weigh your body. This study your body or weigh your body. This study your body or weigh your body. This is a tough one. So the conversations is a tough one. So the conversations is a tough one. So the conversations look like this. Uh, you know, get ready look like this. Uh, you know, get ready look like this. Uh, you know, get ready in the morning and don't study yourself in the morning and don't study yourself in the morning and don't study yourself in the mirror. like look, look at your in the mirror. like look, look at your in the mirror. like look, look at your hair. Do your hair. You're done. Get out hair. Do your hair. You're done. Get out hair. Do your hair. You're done. Get out of the way. Don't stand there and look of the way. Don't stand there and look of the way. Don't stand there and look at yourself and turn sideways. And what at yourself and turn sideways. And what at yourself and turn sideways. And what does this look like? Because here's what does this look like? Because here's what does this look like? Because here's what happens. Your eyes start to focus on the happens. Your eyes start to focus on the happens. Your eyes start to focus on the areas that you feel like are imperfect. areas that you feel like are imperfect. areas that you feel like are imperfect. Oh my god, I know I'm gaining weight, Oh my god, I know I'm gaining weight, Oh my god, I know I'm gaining weight, but now I can see it here or I can see but now I can see it here or I can see but now I can see it here or I can see what's happening there. Don't study your what's happening there. Don't study your what's happening there. Don't study your body. Get out of the way. Stop looking body. Get out of the way. Stop looking body. Get out of the way. Stop looking in the mirror. And don't weigh yourself. in the mirror. And don't weigh yourself. in the mirror. And don't weigh yourself. Uh the scale is a very uh terrible Uh the scale is a very uh terrible Uh the scale is a very uh terrible metric at measuring any kind of success. metric at measuring any kind of success. metric at measuring any kind of success. It's measuring body mass. And it more It's measuring body mass. And it more It's measuring body mass. And it more often than not, especially when it comes often than not, especially when it comes often than not, especially when it comes to people who are afraid of gaining to people who are afraid of gaining to people who are afraid of gaining weight, it just pushes them in the wrong weight, it just pushes them in the wrong weight, it just pushes them in the wrong direction. Yeah. So don't do that. Yeah. direction. Yeah. So don't do that. Yeah. direction. Yeah. So don't do that. Yeah. And then lastly, create new and And then lastly, create new and And then lastly, create new and strengthen new healthy behaviors. strengthen new healthy behaviors. strengthen new healthy behaviors. >> So you may find comfort in what you're >> So you may find comfort in what you're >> So you may find comfort in what you're doing, which is why you do it so often, doing, which is why you do it so often, doing, which is why you do it so often, or a sense of control. You can't just or a sense of control. You can't just or a sense of control. You can't just stop doing it and have nothing. There's stop doing it and have nothing. There's stop doing it and have nothing. There's a there it actually does something for a there it actually does something for a there it actually does something for you. There's a reason why you do it. Uh you. There's a reason why you do it. Uh you. There's a reason why you do it. Uh find a behavior that's healthy and try find a behavior that's healthy and try find a behavior that's healthy and try to strengthen that. uh to replace the to strengthen that. uh to replace the to strengthen that. uh to replace the old behavior. So, if you're, you know, old behavior. So, if you're, you know, old behavior. So, if you're, you know, if you're a cardio fanatic, if you're a cardio fanatic, if you're a cardio fanatic, uh maybe it's stretching, maybe it's uh maybe it's stretching, maybe it's uh maybe it's stretching, maybe it's reading or writing, uh maybe it's art, reading or writing, uh maybe it's art, reading or writing, uh maybe it's art, something that you enjoy that is not the something that you enjoy that is not the something that you enjoy that is not the thing that uh is no longer serving you, thing that uh is no longer serving you, thing that uh is no longer serving you, and then use that to bring you some and then use that to bring you some and then use that to bring you some comfort because you need to replace what comfort because you need to replace what comfort because you need to replace what you were doing before. you were doing before. you were doing before. >> So, [snorts] >> So, [snorts] >> So, [snorts] >> anyway, I want to ask you, Adam, about >> anyway, I want to ask you, Adam, about >> anyway, I want to ask you, Adam, about your you were on Shelene Johnson's your you were on Shelene Johnson's your you were on Shelene Johnson's podcast. podcast. podcast. >> Yeah. Yeah. which was really cool >> Yeah. Yeah. which was really cool >> Yeah. Yeah. which was really cool because uh a large segment of our because uh a large segment of our because uh a large segment of our audience had never heard you or us audience had never heard you or us audience had never heard you or us before, which is cool. before, which is cool. before, which is cool. >> Yeah. No, I've had I the response has >> Yeah. No, I've had I the response has >> Yeah. No, I've had I the response has been incredible. In fact, it's still been incredible. In fact, it's still been incredible. In fact, it's still going right now. She did a post uh not going right now. She did a post uh not going right now. She did a post uh not that long ago of a clip from it and uh that long ago of a clip from it and uh that long ago of a clip from it and uh the amount of ads and messages that I've the amount of ads and messages that I've the amount of ads and messages that I've received from it. I really liked how uh received from it. I really liked how uh received from it. I really liked how uh she did the interview. Um I hadn't she did the interview. Um I hadn't she did the interview. Um I hadn't listened to I don't listen to the listened to I don't listen to the listened to I don't listen to the interviews that I do um unless something interviews that I do um unless something interviews that I do um unless something unless my wife said something to me. You unless my wife said something to me. You unless my wife said something to me. You should listen to that. And I said, should listen to that. And I said, should listen to that. And I said, "Why?" and she goes, "It was it was "Why?" and she goes, "It was it was "Why?" and she goes, "It was it was really good." really good." really good." >> And uh she goes, "And she she did it >> And uh she goes, "And she she did it >> And uh she goes, "And she she did it different than I've heard somebody different than I've heard somebody different than I've heard somebody interview before." So I listened so I interview before." So I listened so I interview before." So I listened so I could see what it was. And uh it was could see what it was. And uh it was could see what it was. And uh it was actually really cool um the way she she actually really cool um the way she she actually really cool um the way she she clipped it. So she she she edited the clipped it. So she she she edited the clipped it. So she she she edited the content in a unique way. So out of all content in a unique way. So out of all content in a unique way. So out of all the interviews I' ever done, I hadn't the interviews I' ever done, I hadn't the interviews I' ever done, I hadn't had somebody uh do it this way where she had somebody uh do it this way where she had somebody uh do it this way where she had sat me down and she wanted to just had sat me down and she wanted to just had sat me down and she wanted to just like basically hit me with these like basically hit me with these like basically hit me with these questions that I wasn't prepared for. It questions that I wasn't prepared for. It questions that I wasn't prepared for. It was just like and then I would like was just like and then I would like was just like and then I would like quick answers to her like like and that quick answers to her like like and that quick answers to her like like and that she coached me on that. like I just want she coached me on that. like I just want she coached me on that. like I just want you just direct straight whatever and I you just direct straight whatever and I you just direct straight whatever and I get and I was like I get it I get what get and I was like I get it I get what get and I was like I get it I get what you're you're you're looking for right you're you're you're looking for right you're you're you're looking for right she wanted like short clippable type of she wanted like short clippable type of she wanted like short clippable type of to the point answers not long- winded to the point answers not long- winded to the point answers not long- winded nuance right nuance right nuance right >> so she did all that and that was what >> so she did all that and that was what >> so she did all that and that was what was the front of the episode and then was the front of the episode and then was the front of the episode and then the the the rest was more the the the rest was more the the the rest was more conversationalist about and so more in conversationalist about and so more in conversationalist about and so more in depth about those topics depth about those topics depth about those topics >> you guys talked uh there was a lot of >> you guys talked uh there was a lot of >> you guys talked uh there was a lot of interest in peptides interest in peptides interest in peptides >> mostly about peptides so I actually >> mostly about peptides so I actually >> mostly about peptides so I actually referenced you a few times when it got referenced you a few times when it got referenced you a few times when it got to places where I'm like, ah, it's a, to places where I'm like, ah, it's a, to places where I'm like, ah, it's a, you know, better question for my co-host you know, better question for my co-host you know, better question for my co-host who is way better with the studies and who is way better with the studies and who is way better with the studies and remember them. In fact, one that one of remember them. In fact, one that one of remember them. In fact, one that one of the ones where I was referring to you the ones where I was referring to you the ones where I was referring to you that I wanted her to like understand was that I wanted her to like understand was that I wanted her to like understand was that there's this she was talking about that there's this she was talking about that there's this she was talking about uh Rea and Yes. uh Rea and Yes. uh Rea and Yes. >> and just how popular it is over there. >> and just how popular it is over there. >> and just how popular it is over there. She's like, "You can't go to the gym She's like, "You can't go to the gym She's like, "You can't go to the gym over here and not overhear conversations over here and not overhear conversations over here and not overhear conversations of people taking it and like people of people taking it and like people of people taking it and like people going like, "Oh yeah, I got some. I can going like, "Oh yeah, I got some. I can going like, "Oh yeah, I got some. I can bring you tomorrow." So, bring you tomorrow." So, bring you tomorrow." So, >> and it's still great market. It is. >> and it's still great market. It is. >> and it's still great market. It is. >> It's not approved. It's not. >> It's not approved. It's not. >> It's not approved. It's not. >> So, this is not which is crazy. And so >> So, this is not which is crazy. And so >> So, this is not which is crazy. And so we talked a lot about that and and she we talked a lot about that and and she we talked a lot about that and and she has also heard a lot of the so the and has also heard a lot of the so the and has also heard a lot of the so the and when I talked about you that I'm like when I talked about you that I'm like when I talked about you that I'm like you know S explains this study better you know S explains this study better you know S explains this study better than me because I know that initially a than me because I know that initially a than me because I know that initially a lot of the rat and chimp studies that we lot of the rat and chimp studies that we lot of the rat and chimp studies that we saw run it was so promising because it saw run it was so promising because it saw run it was so promising because it showed that you lost less muscle. In showed that you lost less muscle. In showed that you lost less muscle. In fact it showed some built a little bit fact it showed some built a little bit fact it showed some built a little bit of muscle during this calorie deficit of muscle during this calorie deficit of muscle during this calorie deficit which is just kind of mind-blowing, which is just kind of mind-blowing, which is just kind of mind-blowing, right? right? right? >> I was like but that doesn't tell the >> I was like but that doesn't tell the >> I was like but that doesn't tell the whole story. And so there's this there's whole story. And so there's this there's whole story. And so there's this there's this misconception because those studies this misconception because those studies this misconception because those studies have gone viral and people have talked have gone viral and people have talked have gone viral and people have talked about it and it's being shared so much about it and it's being shared so much about it and it's being shared so much >> that REA which is coming down the pipe, >> that REA which is coming down the pipe, >> that REA which is coming down the pipe, you know, is going to keep you keep you you know, is going to keep you keep you you know, is going to keep you keep you from losing. So the wave has happened from losing. So the wave has happened from losing. So the wave has happened where so many average people have heard where so many average people have heard where so many average people have heard of GLP once now of GLP once now of GLP once now >> and then it's even hit so many people >> and then it's even hit so many people >> and then it's even hit so many people that everybody probably listening right that everybody probably listening right that everybody probably listening right now either has experience with it or now either has experience with it or now either has experience with it or knows somebody that has experience with knows somebody that has experience with knows somebody that has experience with it. And if there's any sort of negative it. And if there's any sort of negative it. And if there's any sort of negative feedback that they've heard aside from feedback that they've heard aside from feedback that they've heard aside from like the nausea and things like that, like the nausea and things like that, like the nausea and things like that, it's they lose a lot of muscle too. it's they lose a lot of muscle too. it's they lose a lot of muscle too. >> And then the word on the street is that >> And then the word on the street is that >> And then the word on the street is that redd doesn't keeps you from losing redd doesn't keeps you from losing redd doesn't keeps you from losing muscle. muscle. muscle. >> And that was kind of the conversation >> And that was kind of the conversation >> And that was kind of the conversation we're having. And I and and I know it's we're having. And I and and I know it's we're having. And I and and I know it's because of those early studies that because of those early studies that because of those early studies that showed that oh, they built some muscle. showed that oh, they built some muscle. showed that oh, they built some muscle. So now there's this dis this this So now there's this dis this this So now there's this dis this this misconception that oh when you when we misconception that oh when you when we misconception that oh when you when we get to the the GLP3 you know now you you get to the the GLP3 you know now you you get to the the GLP3 you know now you you won't lose any muscle. won't lose any muscle. won't lose any muscle. >> We have phase three trials now Doug you >> We have phase three trials now Doug you >> We have phase three trials now Doug you can pull up the red true tide phase can pull up the red true tide phase can pull up the red true tide phase three trial uh muscle loss and you can three trial uh muscle loss and you can three trial uh muscle loss and you can see on the average uh that people lost see on the average uh that people lost see on the average uh that people lost muscle on them like they do with other muscle on them like they do with other muscle on them like they do with other GLPs. Um there was there was some animal GLPs. Um there was there was some animal GLPs. Um there was there was some animal studies that showed less a little bit studies that showed less a little bit studies that showed less a little bit less muscle loss. Rea causes so much less muscle loss. Rea causes so much less muscle loss. Rea causes so much weight loss uh that the muscle loss is weight loss uh that the muscle loss is weight loss uh that the muscle loss is significant as a percentage of the significant as a percentage of the significant as a percentage of the weight loss. It did it better than let's weight loss. It did it better than let's weight loss. It did it better than let's say um tepatide but it still wasn't say um tepatide but it still wasn't say um tepatide but it still wasn't great. great. great. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So there are some mechanisms where it's >> So there are some mechanisms where it's >> So there are some mechanisms where it's trying to preserve but you're going to trying to preserve but you're going to trying to preserve but you're going to lose muscle when your calories are lose muscle when your calories are lose muscle when your calories are really low and you don't lift weights really low and you don't lift weights really low and you don't lift weights >> and you're not eating enough protein. >> and you're not eating enough protein. >> and you're not eating enough protein. You can't get around that. You can't get around that. You can't get around that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's no way to get around that. You >> There's no way to get around that. You >> There's no way to get around that. You don't have the building blocks and your don't have the building blocks and your don't have the building blocks and your body will try uh to adapt. And if you body will try uh to adapt. And if you body will try uh to adapt. And if you pull up the study, Doug, it'll give you, pull up the study, Doug, it'll give you, pull up the study, Doug, it'll give you, if you uh look up the study, I think it if you uh look up the study, I think it if you uh look up the study, I think it was like 28 to 30% or something like was like 28 to 30% or something like was like 28 to 30% or something like that, if not more. Uh some studies show that, if not more. Uh some studies show that, if not more. Uh some studies show up to 40% um weight loss. Up to 28 to to up to 40% um weight loss. Up to 28 to to up to 40% um weight loss. Up to 28 to to 30% weight loss, but the what was the 30% weight loss, but the what was the 30% weight loss, but the what was the muscle loss that we saw? That's what I muscle loss that we saw? That's what I muscle loss that we saw? That's what I want to pull up. want to pull up. want to pull up. >> It just says reduction of both body fat >> It just says reduction of both body fat >> It just says reduction of both body fat and and and >> so it's a significant amount. And so it >> so it's a significant amount. And so it >> so it's a significant amount. And so it here's the thing. It doesn't cause here's the thing. It doesn't cause here's the thing. It doesn't cause muscle loss. It also doesn't have this muscle loss. It also doesn't have this muscle loss. It also doesn't have this profound muscle sparing effect. Uh it's profound muscle sparing effect. Uh it's profound muscle sparing effect. Uh it's complicated because it does do some complicated because it does do some complicated because it does do some interesting things. It does cause energy interesting things. It does cause energy interesting things. It does cause energy release from the liver. Uh it does a few release from the liver. Uh it does a few release from the liver. Uh it does a few other things, but uh it your calories other things, but uh it your calories other things, but uh it your calories really low. You're not lifting weights, really low. You're not lifting weights, really low. You're not lifting weights, so you're going to lo muscle. Well, this so you're going to lo muscle. Well, this so you're going to lo muscle. Well, this is this is and this is what I is this is and this is what I is this is and this is what I communicated to it is because uh I that communicated to it is because uh I that communicated to it is because uh I that is what I wanted to dispel was that is what I wanted to dispel was that is what I wanted to dispel was that there is this there is this there is this >> rumor about it that it's it's like so >> rumor about it that it's it's like so >> rumor about it that it's it's like so much more miraculous than the GLP1 and much more miraculous than the GLP1 and much more miraculous than the GLP1 and GLP2 because it showed these promising GLP2 because it showed these promising GLP2 because it showed these promising studies around muscle preservation. studies around muscle preservation. studies around muscle preservation. >> And I'm like what you're talking about >> And I'm like what you're talking about >> And I'm like what you're talking about is we're splitting hairs. If somebody is is we're splitting hairs. If somebody is is we're splitting hairs. If somebody is still in a significant calorie def def still in a significant calorie def def still in a significant calorie def def deficit where it's extremely low and deficit where it's extremely low and deficit where it's extremely low and they are not hitting protein and they're they are not hitting protein and they're they are not hitting protein and they're like they'll lose as much muscle if not like they'll lose as much muscle if not like they'll lose as much muscle if not more in this situation and so but more in this situation and so but more in this situation and so but there's that's not the belief right now. there's that's not the belief right now. there's that's not the belief right now. The belief is that red is coming down The belief is that red is coming down The belief is that red is coming down the pipe and it's so much better than the pipe and it's so much better than the pipe and it's so much better than the GLP2s. the GLP2s. the GLP2s. >> So here you go phase two they had a >> So here you go phase two they had a >> So here you go phase two they had a phase two data 35% of total weight loss phase two data 35% of total weight loss phase two data 35% of total weight loss came from lean mass. came from lean mass. came from lean mass. It's similar to other potent weight loss It's similar to other potent weight loss It's similar to other potent weight loss treatments uh which are similar. So, treatments uh which are similar. So, treatments uh which are similar. So, actually, it's not even that much actually, it's not even that much actually, it's not even that much better. It does seem to cause a little better. It does seem to cause a little better. It does seem to cause a little bit more weight loss than the other ones bit more weight loss than the other ones bit more weight loss than the other ones because it acts on three receptors because it acts on three receptors because it acts on three receptors instead of one or two, but you're going instead of one or two, but you're going instead of one or two, but you're going to lose you're going to lose muscle. to lose you're going to lose muscle. to lose you're going to lose muscle. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because if you eat really low calories >> Because if you eat really low calories >> Because if you eat really low calories >> and that's what you do and that's it, >> and that's what you do and that's it, >> and that's what you do and that's it, >> you're guaranteed to lose muscle. >> you're guaranteed to lose muscle. >> you're guaranteed to lose muscle. >> So, listen to the other thing that we >> So, listen to the other thing that we >> So, listen to the other thing that we speculated about. I speculated with her speculated about. I speculated with her speculated about. I speculated with her that I thought was cuz she asked me and that I thought was cuz she asked me and that I thought was cuz she asked me and I'm like, "Oh, that's an interesting I'm like, "Oh, that's an interesting I'm like, "Oh, that's an interesting question." And thought because all of question." And thought because all of question." And thought because all of the reta that's out on the market right the reta that's out on the market right the reta that's out on the market right now is all gray. Yep. Okay. None of this now is all gray. Yep. Okay. None of this now is all gray. Yep. Okay. None of this is is pharmaceutically regulated or FDA is is pharmaceutically regulated or FDA is is pharmaceutically regulated or FDA approved. Okay. Because it's all approved. Okay. Because it's all approved. Okay. Because it's all research. research. research. >> It's all research chemical. It's all >> It's all research chemical. It's all >> It's all research chemical. It's all gray. gray. gray. >> What is the incentive or what is why >> What is the incentive or what is why >> What is the incentive or what is why does somebody who doesn't have the does somebody who doesn't have the does somebody who doesn't have the regular GLP1 or GLP2 doesn't slap a regular GLP1 or GLP2 doesn't slap a regular GLP1 or GLP2 doesn't slap a label of rea on there and sell it label of rea on there and sell it label of rea on there and sell it because it's just the hottest thing because it's just the hottest thing because it's just the hottest thing right now? And what's to stop them right now? And what's to stop them right now? And what's to stop them considering it's not regulated? considering it's not regulated? considering it's not regulated? >> They do. They are selling them. >> They do. They are selling them. >> They do. They are selling them. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. Like switching it out with the GLP1. >> No. Like switching it out with the GLP1. >> No. Like switching it out with the GLP1. >> Like why even go through the why go >> Like why even go through the why go >> Like why even go through the why go through the rigamore to go and try and through the rigamore to go and try and through the rigamore to go and try and get uh GLP3 when I got GLP1. I got still get uh GLP3 when I got GLP1. I got still get uh GLP3 when I got GLP1. I got still boxes of that cuz I've bought thousands boxes of that cuz I've bought thousands boxes of that cuz I've bought thousands of of of >> And why not just pretend? Why not just >> And why not just pretend? Why not just >> And why not just pretend? Why not just pretend? Nobody would know. No one's pretend? Nobody would know. No one's pretend? Nobody would know. No one's going to know the difference. And that going to know the difference. And that going to know the difference. And that was the And I'm like, wow. You know was the And I'm like, wow. You know was the And I'm like, wow. You know what's I'm like, you know what? It's not what's I'm like, you know what? It's not what's I'm like, you know what? It's not a matter if that's happening. It's how a matter if that's happening. It's how a matter if that's happening. It's how much of that is happening. much of that is happening. much of that is happening. >> Yeah. And I'll tell you what, when they >> Yeah. And I'll tell you what, when they >> Yeah. And I'll tell you what, when they did the big when they do the big studies did the big when they do the big studies did the big when they do the big studies on the research the the research on the research the the research on the research the the research chemicals the the when they bring them chemicals the the when they bring them chemicals the the when they bring them in, one of the biggest ways where in, one of the biggest ways where in, one of the biggest ways where they're mess up is mislabeling dosage. they're mess up is mislabeling dosage. they're mess up is mislabeling dosage. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So taking too much of a GLP not a good >> So taking too much of a GLP not a good >> So taking too much of a GLP not a good thing everybody. thing everybody. thing everybody. >> Oh yeah. No, >> Oh yeah. No, >> Oh yeah. No, >> you will not like the way you feel. It >> you will not like the way you feel. It >> you will not like the way you feel. It will not be good. By the way, rea uh will not be good. By the way, rea uh will not be good. By the way, rea uh does have some more more some does have some more more some does have some more more some interesting side effects like sk like interesting side effects like sk like interesting side effects like sk like tin skin tingling um and elevated heart tin skin tingling um and elevated heart tin skin tingling um and elevated heart rate. rate. rate. >> Heart rate. Yeah, that's what I heard. >> Heart rate. Yeah, that's what I heard. >> Heart rate. Yeah, that's what I heard. Yeah. So, we'll see. It hasn't even Yeah. So, we'll see. It hasn't even Yeah. So, we'll see. It hasn't even hasn't even passed. hasn't even passed. hasn't even passed. >> I know. Hasn't even regulated. >> I know. Hasn't even regulated. >> I know. Hasn't even regulated. >> Well, this is what's it's interesting. >> Well, this is what's it's interesting. >> Well, this is what's it's interesting. And when we were one of the things her And when we were one of the things her And when we were one of the things her and I were talking about was just how and I were talking about was just how and I were talking about was just how crazy popular the gray market and the crazy popular the gray market and the crazy popular the gray market and the the influencer pushing peptides and the influencer pushing peptides and the influencer pushing peptides and linking my bio game has become. It's linking my bio game has become. It's linking my bio game has become. It's like it's insane. like it's insane. like it's insane. >> I know. What's crazy about this though >> I know. What's crazy about this though >> I know. What's crazy about this though is that people are forgetting that is that people are forgetting that is that people are forgetting that hormone balance and hormone therapy is hormone balance and hormone therapy is hormone balance and hormone therapy is if you need if you benefit from hormone if you need if you benefit from hormone if you need if you benefit from hormone therapy that craps on any other peptide therapy that craps on any other peptide therapy that craps on any other peptide or anything else. or anything else. or anything else. >> If you got low testosterone as a man or >> If you got low testosterone as a man or >> If you got low testosterone as a man or a woman, a woman, a woman, >> your hormones are off and you let's say >> your hormones are off and you let's say >> your hormones are off and you let's say you go through our our people at you go through our our people at you go through our our people at mpormones.com, you get your blood test mpormones.com, you get your blood test mpormones.com, you get your blood test and they're like, "Wow, you're we could and they're like, "Wow, you're we could and they're like, "Wow, you're we could do some hormone replacement therapy." do some hormone replacement therapy." do some hormone replacement therapy." That's way more effective than a That's way more effective than a That's way more effective than a peptide. peptide. peptide. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like you want that first. This this is >> Like you want that first. This this is >> Like you want that first. This this is exactly what I said to her. She gave me exactly what I said to her. She gave me exactly what I said to her. She gave me scenarios like, you know, you know, scenarios like, you know, you know, scenarios like, you know, you know, imagine I'm a, you know, menopausal imagine I'm a, you know, menopausal imagine I'm a, you know, menopausal woman and I've got my my hormones all woman and I've got my my hormones all woman and I've got my my hormones all over the place and I'm struggling just over the place and I'm struggling just over the place and I'm struggling just to lose those 15 pounds. And she's like, to lose those 15 pounds. And she's like, to lose those 15 pounds. And she's like, you know, what peptide would you put? you know, what peptide would you put? you know, what peptide would you put? I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, >> hormonal therapy. >> hormonal therapy. >> hormonal therapy. >> I'm like, that's definitely not what I >> I'm like, that's definitely not what I >> I'm like, that's definitely not what I would do. I'd get your hormones in would do. I'd get your hormones in would do. I'd get your hormones in check. I'd address your sleep. I'd get check. I'd address your sleep. I'd get check. I'd address your sleep. I'd get like there's so many levers I would pull like there's so many levers I would pull like there's so many levers I would pull >> before I would even think to go to a >> before I would even think to go to a >> before I would even think to go to a peptide. I said, me getting your peptide. I said, me getting your peptide. I said, me getting your hormones is huge. So, let's just pretend hormones is huge. So, let's just pretend hormones is huge. So, let's just pretend your hormones are good, right? So, let's your hormones are good, right? So, let's your hormones are good, right? So, let's say you're on the thyroid, you got you say you're on the thyroid, you got you say you're on the thyroid, you got you got all that balanced. Okay, so we got got all that balanced. Okay, so we got got all that balanced. Okay, so we got that that that >> me I even made the case that me >> me I even made the case that me >> me I even made the case that me improving your sleep by 10 to 20%. Is improving your sleep by 10 to 20%. Is improving your sleep by 10 to 20%. Is better than any peptide I'm going to put better than any peptide I'm going to put better than any peptide I'm going to put you on. So, if if you don't have the you on. So, if if you don't have the you on. So, if if you don't have the best of sleep already and you're coming best of sleep already and you're coming best of sleep already and you're coming to me saying, "I want to lose an x 5 10 to me saying, "I want to lose an x 5 10 to me saying, "I want to lose an x 5 10 pounds or whatever, what peptide should pounds or whatever, what peptide should pounds or whatever, what peptide should I take?" And you're telling me you get I take?" And you're telling me you get I take?" And you're telling me you get six hours of sleep at night, me not even six hours of sleep at night, me not even six hours of sleep at night, me not even making your sleep perfect, but improving making your sleep perfect, but improving making your sleep perfect, but improving it by 10 to 20% will give you better it by 10 to 20% will give you better it by 10 to 20% will give you better results than the greatest peptide out results than the greatest peptide out results than the greatest peptide out there. That's it's like that that's there. That's it's like that that's there. That's it's like that that's where we're at right now though. where we're at right now though. where we're at right now though. >> Yeah. And here's the other thing, too. >> Yeah. And here's the other thing, too. >> Yeah. And here's the other thing, too. People are getting advice from social People are getting advice from social People are getting advice from social media on all this stuff. And 90 I don't media on all this stuff. And 90 I don't media on all this stuff. And 90 I don't know percent of the people communicating know percent of the people communicating know percent of the people communicating this are not experts. this are not experts. this are not experts. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> And look, I'm not a I'm not an expert. I >> And look, I'm not a I'm not an expert. I >> And look, I'm not a I'm not an expert. I know I know stuff because I get to know I know stuff because I get to know I know stuff because I get to interview experts like Dr. Seeds who I interview experts like Dr. Seeds who I interview experts like Dr. Seeds who I would say he's he's definitely the world would say he's he's definitely the world would say he's he's definitely the world leading expert on peptides and what they leading expert on peptides and what they leading expert on peptides and what they do and good friends with him and I've do and good friends with him and I've do and good friends with him and I've had him on the show a couple few times. had him on the show a couple few times. had him on the show a couple few times. I've been on his podcast. I will talk to I've been on his podcast. I will talk to I've been on his podcast. I will talk to people who want to be on our show who people who want to be on our show who people who want to be on our show who are quote unquote peptide experts and are quote unquote peptide experts and are quote unquote peptide experts and then I realize 10 minutes in, whoa, I then I realize 10 minutes in, whoa, I then I realize 10 minutes in, whoa, I know more than you do. I can't have you know more than you do. I can't have you know more than you do. I can't have you on my show. If I know more than you and on my show. If I know more than you and on my show. If I know more than you and I'm not an expert, why the hell am I I'm not an expert, why the hell am I I'm not an expert, why the hell am I going to interview you? going to interview you? going to interview you? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, uh, one thing you could do, by the >> So, uh, one thing you could do, by the >> So, uh, one thing you could do, by the way, uh, we got, we should say this, way, uh, we got, we should say this, way, uh, we got, we should say this, mpormones.com, mpormones.com, mpormones.com, >> there's medical professionals. Everybody >> there's medical professionals. Everybody >> there's medical professionals. Everybody will get a consult, 10-minute consult. will get a consult, 10-minute consult. will get a consult, 10-minute consult. So, you can actually ask a medical So, you can actually ask a medical So, you can actually ask a medical professional what's going on. That's the professional what's going on. That's the professional what's going on. That's the other thing too that we tal I talked to other thing too that we tal I talked to other thing too that we tal I talked to her about that is like this is why you her about that is like this is why you her about that is like this is why you you should go through uh a a legit you should go through uh a a legit you should go through uh a a legit source where a doctor or a medical source where a doctor or a medical source where a doctor or a medical professional professional professional >> monitors it meets with you because >> monitors it meets with you because >> monitors it meets with you because >> they won't put you on something you >> they won't put you on something you >> they won't put you on something you shouldn't be on. And so you have people shouldn't be on. And so you have people shouldn't be on. And so you have people that we, you know, we started this whole that we, you know, we started this whole that we, you know, we started this whole podcast talking about body dysmorphia podcast talking about body dysmorphia podcast talking about body dysmorphia and anorexia and things like that. Like and anorexia and things like that. Like and anorexia and things like that. Like the last thing that somebody who suffers the last thing that somebody who suffers the last thing that somebody who suffers from anorexia, what do from anorexia, what do from anorexia, what do >> you think are the people that are going >> you think are the people that are going >> you think are the people that are going to be reaching out to this? This is to be reaching out to this? This is to be reaching out to this? This is problem. Big problem. problem. Big problem. problem. Big problem. >> Huge problem. >> Huge problem. >> Huge problem. >> Huge. And and >> Huge. And and >> Huge. And and >> we've had callers call in >> we've had callers call in >> we've had callers call in >> and there's and a medical professional >> and there's and a medical professional >> and there's and a medical professional that's asking you questions. that's asking you questions. that's asking you questions. >> They're not going to put you on this. >> They're not going to put you on this. >> They're not going to put you on this. >> No. No. >> No. No. >> No. No. >> I have a history of anorexia. I need to >> I have a history of anorexia. I need to >> I have a history of anorexia. I need to be on, you know, uh, be on, you know, uh, be on, you know, uh, >> even if you just have a few percentages >> even if you just have a few percentages >> even if you just have a few percentages of body fat you're trying to lose and of body fat you're trying to lose and of body fat you're trying to lose and then people go to GLP1. I'm like this then people go to GLP1. I'm like this then people go to GLP1. I'm like this like why why are you doing that? Why not like why why are you doing that? Why not like why why are you doing that? Why not build muscle? Why not like let's mess build muscle? Why not like let's mess build muscle? Why not like let's mess with the metabolism? Let's work on with the metabolism? Let's work on with the metabolism? Let's work on sleep. Let's do all these other things. sleep. Let's do all these other things. sleep. Let's do all these other things. >> Even then it's like you're trying to >> Even then it's like you're trying to >> Even then it's like you're trying to lose weight. Like you're trying to lose weight. Like you're trying to lose weight. Like you're trying to restrict your eating. Like that's all restrict your eating. Like that's all restrict your eating. Like that's all like it doesn't equate to body fat. Like like it doesn't equate to body fat. Like like it doesn't equate to body fat. Like there's this like weird there's this like weird there's this like weird >> disconnect there. >> disconnect there. >> disconnect there. >> It's Yeah, it's crazy. I just speaking >> It's Yeah, it's crazy. I just speaking >> It's Yeah, it's crazy. I just speaking of which we were just talking about how of which we were just talking about how of which we were just talking about how you know eat really low enough calories you know eat really low enough calories you know eat really low enough calories don't lift weights you'll lose muscle. don't lift weights you'll lose muscle. don't lift weights you'll lose muscle. There was a study that came out uh that There was a study that came out uh that There was a study that came out uh that is somewhat similar to what we were just is somewhat similar to what we were just is somewhat similar to what we were just talking about. So it was a huge review talking about. So it was a huge review talking about. So it was a huge review on calcium and vitamin D supplements. on calcium and vitamin D supplements. on calcium and vitamin D supplements. And so they they did this huge review And so they they did this huge review And so they they did this huge review and they found that uh older people who and they found that uh older people who and they found that uh older people who took vitamin D and calcium that it took vitamin D and calcium that it took vitamin D and calcium that it provided no meaningful protection provided no meaningful protection provided no meaningful protection against fractures or falls for most against fractures or falls for most against fractures or falls for most older adults. Okay, so most older adults older adults. Okay, so most older adults older adults. Okay, so most older adults taking calcium and vitamin D had no taking calcium and vitamin D had no taking calcium and vitamin D had no protective effect from the supplement. protective effect from the supplement. protective effect from the supplement. Here's why everybody. If you're not Here's why everybody. If you're not Here's why everybody. If you're not giving your bones a reason to be strong, giving your bones a reason to be strong, giving your bones a reason to be strong, you can take all the vitamin D and you can take all the vitamin D and you can take all the vitamin D and calcium you want. calcium you want. calcium you want. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> It ain't going to do nothing. >> It ain't going to do nothing. >> It ain't going to do nothing. >> You got to give the signal. >> You got to give the signal. >> You got to give the signal. >> It's like eating more food but not >> It's like eating more food but not >> It's like eating more food but not lifting weights. You're not going to lifting weights. You're not going to lifting weights. You're not going to build more muscle. You're just going to build more muscle. You're just going to build more muscle. You're just going to get fatter. get fatter. get fatter. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> So taking all the bone nutrients or >> So taking all the bone nutrients or >> So taking all the bone nutrients or whatever. So when I read a stud, it's whatever. So when I read a stud, it's whatever. So when I read a stud, it's funny because that makes headlines, funny because that makes headlines, funny because that makes headlines, right? Vitamin D, calcium, they don't right? Vitamin D, calcium, they don't right? Vitamin D, calcium, they don't help you your bone strength. No, no, help you your bone strength. No, no, help you your bone strength. No, no, they do. they do. they do. >> So misleading. >> So misleading. >> So misleading. >> But you got to give your body a reason >> But you got to give your body a reason >> But you got to give your body a reason to strengthen its bones. Like do some to strengthen its bones. Like do some to strengthen its bones. Like do some resistance training. resistance training. resistance training. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> You do resistance training, you get your >> You do resistance training, you get your >> You do resistance training, you get your vitamin D and calcium in check and vitamin D and calcium in check and vitamin D and calcium in check and you're going to get you're going to get you're going to get >> stronger bones. It works like clockwork. >> stronger bones. It works like clockwork. >> stronger bones. It works like clockwork. I've had many clients. Have you guys had I've had many clients. Have you guys had I've had many clients. Have you guys had clients go through and do bone scans clients go through and do bone scans clients go through and do bone scans while they train with you? while they train with you? while they train with you? >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> It's it's so predictable. >> It's it's so predictable. >> It's it's so predictable. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How how much how to me that doctors >> How how much how to me that doctors >> How how much how to me that doctors always trip out on that? you know, they always trip out on that? you know, they always trip out on that? you know, they see results like that and it's like they see results like that and it's like they see results like that and it's like they should be teaching this should be like should be teaching this should be like should be teaching this should be like part of the protocol. part of the protocol. part of the protocol. >> It's cuz how many of them are not don't >> It's cuz how many of them are not don't >> It's cuz how many of them are not don't strength train? It's so rare. I mean, strength train? It's so rare. I mean, strength train? It's so rare. I mean, how how often do you guys or how like how how often do you guys or how like how how often do you guys or how like excited you get when you walk in and you excited you get when you walk in and you excited you get when you walk in and you see a doctor and he's like he's jacked, see a doctor and he's like he's jacked, see a doctor and he's like he's jacked, you know? you know? you know? >> Oh, yeah. I like >> Oh, yeah. I like >> Oh, yeah. I like he's going to he's going to get it or he's going to he's going to get it or he's going to he's going to get it or she's going to get it. You know what I'm she's going to get it. You know what I'm she's going to get it. You know what I'm saying? It's like but so many times I saying? It's like but so many times I saying? It's like but so many times I mean it's it's better today. It really mean it's it's better today. It really mean it's it's better today. It really is. It wasn't that it was horrible 20 30 is. It wasn't that it was horrible 20 30 is. It wasn't that it was horrible 20 30 years ago. I mean 20 30 years ago it's years ago. I mean 20 30 years ago it's years ago. I mean 20 30 years ago it's like you never saw a doctor like that like you never saw a doctor like that like you never saw a doctor like that >> the first time I had that. So every time >> the first time I had that. So every time >> the first time I had that. So every time I get blood test as a uh you know cuz I get blood test as a uh you know cuz I get blood test as a uh you know cuz I've been working out since I was a kid I've been working out since I was a kid I've been working out since I was a kid uh my CK levels could be a little uh my CK levels could be a little uh my CK levels could be a little elevated elevated elevated >> and it's always through like they go >> and it's always through like they go >> and it's always through like they go through this process ask me questions through this process ask me questions through this process ask me questions what's going on or whatever what's going on or whatever what's going on or whatever >> and I eventually realized like oh it's >> and I eventually realized like oh it's >> and I eventually realized like oh it's because I work out because I work out because I work out >> and I have more muscle mass and I'll >> and I have more muscle mass and I'll >> and I have more muscle mass and I'll never forget first time ever happened I never forget first time ever happened I never forget first time ever happened I had a doctor review my blood test he had a doctor review my blood test he had a doctor review my blood test he worked out and he looked at me and he's worked out and he looked at me and he's worked out and he looked at me and he's like oh this is by the way this is like oh this is by the way this is like oh this is by the way this is normal it's cuz you lift weight I didn't normal it's cuz you lift weight I didn't normal it's cuz you lift weight I didn't even have to say anything he knew he's even have to say anything he knew he's even have to say anything he knew he's like thank god [laughter] like thank god [laughter] like thank god [laughter] >> thank god but every once in a while it >> thank god but every once in a while it >> thank god but every once in a while it pops up still pops up still pops up still >> no they'll bring it up to me >> no they'll bring it up to me >> no they'll bring it up to me >> and I'm like, you know, that's cuz I >> and I'm like, you know, that's cuz I >> and I'm like, you know, that's cuz I work out, right? work out, right? work out, right? >> No, it's it's super, you know, I'm >> No, it's it's super, you know, I'm >> No, it's it's super, you know, I'm getting I've had a handful of my friends getting I've had a handful of my friends getting I've had a handful of my friends I I don't know if I brought this up on I I don't know if I brought this up on I I don't know if I brought this up on the podcast or not. I think I talked to the podcast or not. I think I talked to the podcast or not. I think I talked to you maybe off air a little bit about um you maybe off air a little bit about um you maybe off air a little bit about um cholesterol with uh friends of mine that cholesterol with uh friends of mine that cholesterol with uh friends of mine that I I just wouldn't think that they have I I just wouldn't think that they have I I just wouldn't think that they have high cholesterol that all in all look high cholesterol that all in all look high cholesterol that all in all look pretty healthy. I don't know enough like pretty healthy. I don't know enough like pretty healthy. I don't know enough like every day what they're eating and doing every day what they're eating and doing every day what they're eating and doing stuff like that, stuff like that, stuff like that, >> but you know, you you typically think of >> but you know, you you typically think of >> but you know, you you typically think of somebody who's got that is like they somebody who's got that is like they somebody who's got that is like they have a really poor diet and exercise have a really poor diet and exercise have a really poor diet and exercise routine and they're both active people routine and they're both active people routine and they're both active people and keep their body weight in check, but and keep their body weight in check, but and keep their body weight in check, but both have uh have high cholesterol right both have uh have high cholesterol right both have uh have high cholesterol right now and looking to um fix it. And when now and looking to um fix it. And when now and looking to um fix it. And when you when you see somebody like that who you when you see somebody like that who you when you see somebody like that who cuz I know you can you can eat like a cuz I know you can you can eat like a cuz I know you can you can eat like a ridiculous amount. ridiculous amount. ridiculous amount. >> Mine doesn't get affected, >> Mine doesn't get affected, >> Mine doesn't get affected, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> It's weird. Do you still recommend >> It's weird. Do you still recommend >> It's weird. Do you still recommend somebody if they're in a healthy weight somebody if they're in a healthy weight somebody if they're in a healthy weight and they're working out still to, you and they're working out still to, you and they're working out still to, you know, limit the red meat, lower some of know, limit the red meat, lower some of know, limit the red meat, lower some of that? that? that? >> So, there's a there's a there's a um a >> So, there's a there's a there's a um a >> So, there's a there's a there's a um a difference from person to person. Uh difference from person to person. Uh difference from person to person. Uh their genetic polymorphisms where their genetic polymorphisms where their genetic polymorphisms where saturated fat has a negative effect on saturated fat has a negative effect on saturated fat has a negative effect on their blood lipids. And so, I've had a their blood lipids. And so, I've had a their blood lipids. And so, I've had a couple clients like that where we were couple clients like that where we were couple clients like that where we were doing everything right um and then we doing everything right um and then we doing everything right um and then we just had to adjust their fatty acid just had to adjust their fatty acid just had to adjust their fatty acid intake and it did the trick. Now is intake and it did the trick. Now is intake and it did the trick. Now is >> now I could have saturated fat all day >> now I could have saturated fat all day >> now I could have saturated fat all day all day long and have no negative effect all day long and have no negative effect all day long and have no negative effect on my lipids. Every time they measure my on my lipids. Every time they measure my on my lipids. Every time they measure my lipids, they're like these look like lipids, they're like these look like lipids, they're like these look like >> Yeah. Sometimes like pure genetic and >> Yeah. Sometimes like pure genetic and >> Yeah. Sometimes like pure genetic and then like your dietary like then like your dietary like then like your dietary like contributions affect it little. contributions affect it little. contributions affect it little. >> Yeah. So saturated fat will affect LDL >> Yeah. So saturated fat will affect LDL >> Yeah. So saturated fat will affect LDL and a lot of people. Um to what extent and a lot of people. Um to what extent and a lot of people. Um to what extent depends um sometimes switching to depends um sometimes switching to depends um sometimes switching to grass-fed meat makes the difference. Uh grass-fed meat makes the difference. Uh grass-fed meat makes the difference. Uh and sometimes they need to do like I had and sometimes they need to do like I had and sometimes they need to do like I had to have my client reduce their saturated to have my client reduce their saturated to have my client reduce their saturated fat and boost their fat and boost their fat and boost their >> you know other fat intake like olive oil >> you know other fat intake like olive oil >> you know other fat intake like olive oil and stuff like that fish and it made a and stuff like that fish and it made a and stuff like that fish and it made a difference. difference. difference. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it depends depends on the the >> But it depends depends on the the >> But it depends depends on the the person. person. person. >> Now being in a a calorie deficit will >> Now being in a a calorie deficit will >> Now being in a a calorie deficit will that make as that make as that make as >> usually gets better. >> usually gets better. >> usually gets better. >> Yeah. I was going to say that probably >> Yeah. I was going to say that probably >> Yeah. I was going to say that probably in itself a lot of times will do is just in itself a lot of times will do is just in itself a lot of times will do is just someone could be over consuming go on a someone could be over consuming go on a someone could be over consuming go on a little bit lower calorie diet for a little bit lower calorie diet for a little bit lower calorie diet for a little bit minimize the amount of red little bit minimize the amount of red little bit minimize the amount of red meat you're eating or switch to meat you're eating or switch to meat you're eating or switch to grass-fed. you know, by itself, by the grass-fed. you know, by itself, by the grass-fed. you know, by itself, by the way, unless it's extreme, blood lipids, way, unless it's extreme, blood lipids, way, unless it's extreme, blood lipids, and and again, there's this is all uh and and again, there's this is all uh and and again, there's this is all uh there's a lot of variance here. If it's there's a lot of variance here. If it's there's a lot of variance here. If it's extreme, then then then this is extreme, then then then this is extreme, then then then this is disqualified, but when you're out of disqualified, but when you're out of disqualified, but when you're out of range, blood lipids by themselves are range, blood lipids by themselves are range, blood lipids by themselves are not great predictors by themselves. You not great predictors by themselves. You not great predictors by themselves. You have to look at everything else. That's have to look at everything else. That's have to look at everything else. That's where that's where I'm getting at with where that's where I'm getting at with where that's where I'm getting at with you here is cuz I feel like if that's you here is cuz I feel like if that's you here is cuz I feel like if that's the only thing they have the only thing they have the only thing they have >> like if you if you got good strength, >> like if you if you got good strength, >> like if you if you got good strength, you've got good, you know, fitness, your you've got good, you know, fitness, your you've got good, you know, fitness, your blood sugar looks good, your, you know, blood sugar looks good, your, you know, blood sugar looks good, your, you know, all the other metrics look good, but all the other metrics look good, but all the other metrics look good, but then your lipids are a little, you know, then your lipids are a little, you know, then your lipids are a little, you know, kind of out of range, which is typically kind of out of range, which is typically kind of out of range, which is typically what it is. It's usually not like this what it is. It's usually not like this what it is. It's usually not like this major thing. If it's major, that's major thing. If it's major, that's major thing. If it's major, that's different. different. different. >> Um, it's not a big it's not a huge >> Um, it's not a big it's not a huge >> Um, it's not a big it's not a huge predictor by itself. I mean, you can predictor by itself. I mean, you can predictor by itself. I mean, you can look up the stats on it. If people don't look up the stats on it. If people don't look up the stats on it. If people don't believe me, look it up. Yeah, that's believe me, look it up. Yeah, that's believe me, look it up. Yeah, that's what and this is the the challenge I had what and this is the the challenge I had what and this is the the challenge I had with the advice with them was that with the advice with them was that with the advice with them was that you're I'm talking about two people that you're I'm talking about two people that you're I'm talking about two people that all other markers are good and they're all other markers are good and they're all other markers are good and they're not in some like crazy like oh boy whoa not in some like crazy like oh boy whoa not in some like crazy like oh boy whoa that's that's wildly just they're a that's that's wildly just they're a that's that's wildly just they're a little out of the range and so it's like little out of the range and so it's like little out of the range and so it's like does this person really need to reduce does this person really need to reduce does this person really need to reduce red meat? Do they really need to do red meat? Do they really need to do red meat? Do they really need to do that? By the way, one of them of the two that? By the way, one of them of the two that? By the way, one of them of the two uh I know that he had just got done we uh I know that he had just got done we uh I know that he had just got done we had just gone on this kick. So I had had just gone on this kick. So I had had just gone on this kick. So I had told this story a while back. This is a told this story a while back. This is a told this story a while back. This is a buddy of mine who who wasn't really buddy of mine who who wasn't really buddy of mine who who wasn't really lifting that much weights. He was doing lifting that much weights. He was doing lifting that much weights. He was doing a thing in his garage where he was just a thing in his garage where he was just a thing in his garage where he was just kind of lifting weights all the time. kind of lifting weights all the time. kind of lifting weights all the time. And he I never he'd never like And he I never he'd never like And he I never he'd never like consistently hit protein. And I'm like, consistently hit protein. And I'm like, consistently hit protein. And I'm like, "This that's all I want you to do is "This that's all I want you to do is "This that's all I want you to do is just" And so he really listened to the just" And so he really listened to the just" And so he really listened to the advice and was like he's like, "Dude, advice and was like he's like, "Dude, advice and was like he's like, "Dude, this is crazy. I've never ate this much this is crazy. I've never ate this much this is crazy. I've never ate this much meat before." And so and then he ends up meat before." And so and then he ends up meat before." And so and then he ends up getting this blood test. getting this blood test. getting this blood test. >> Oh no. >> Oh no. >> Oh no. >> Yeah. And then it goes up. So it looks >> Yeah. And then it goes up. So it looks >> Yeah. And then it goes up. So it looks like Oh, my my advice of having him push like Oh, my my advice of having him push like Oh, my my advice of having him push that, you know. Now granted, you that, you know. Now granted, you that, you know. Now granted, you obviously could still hit protein and obviously could still hit protein and obviously could still hit protein and change your choices. Yeah. of meat and change your choices. Yeah. of meat and change your choices. Yeah. of meat and everything like that. But I would argue everything like that. But I would argue everything like that. But I would argue that he's he's probably okay and he's that he's he's probably okay and he's that he's he's probably okay and he's and he's lifting weights and he's cuz and he's lifting weights and he's cuz and he's lifting weights and he's cuz all other markers he's good. It's like all other markers he's good. It's like all other markers he's good. It's like literally that was his only thing that literally that was his only thing that literally that was his only thing that he was kind of high. So, but I was just he was kind of high. So, but I was just he was kind of high. So, but I was just like, listen, go when you try to like, listen, go when you try to like, listen, go when you try to minimize how much you're eating out. If minimize how much you're eating out. If minimize how much you're eating out. If you do red meat, go grass. you do red meat, go grass. you do red meat, go grass. >> Sometimes cutting carbs will do it. >> Sometimes cutting carbs will do it. >> Sometimes cutting carbs will do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I've had clients like that, too, where >> I've had clients like that, too, where >> I've had clients like that, too, where we didn't change that. We cut their we didn't change that. We cut their we didn't change that. We cut their carbs and then we saw carbs and then we saw carbs and then we saw >> Now, do you think that's because it >> Now, do you think that's because it >> Now, do you think that's because it probably put them in a deficit a little? probably put them in a deficit a little? probably put them in a deficit a little? Yeah, that's probably why it just put Yeah, that's probably why it just put Yeah, that's probably why it just put him in a little bit of deficit and then him in a little bit of deficit and then him in a little bit of deficit and then that probably leveled him out a little that probably leveled him out a little that probably leveled him out a little bit. So, it be interesting because I, bit. So, it be interesting because I, bit. So, it be interesting because I, you know, I gave him I gave him that you know, I gave him I gave him that you know, I gave him I gave him that advice and I sent him a link to one of advice and I sent him a link to one of advice and I sent him a link to one of our supplements that helped out and our supplements that helped out and our supplements that helped out and >> so we'll see what what happens. Um, but >> so we'll see what what happens. Um, but >> so we'll see what what happens. Um, but I I was really surprised by both of them I I was really surprised by both of them I I was really surprised by both of them and it sucked when it was somebody that and it sucked when it was somebody that and it sucked when it was somebody that I had just I had just I had just >> your advice. >> your advice. >> your advice. >> Yeah. [laughter] And he was just seeing >> Yeah. [laughter] And he was just seeing >> Yeah. [laughter] And he was just seeing great great great >> and he was seeing great results because >> and he was seeing great results because >> and he was seeing great results because he had never, you know, he he put on he had never, you know, he he put on he had never, you know, he he put on like 10 pounds. like 10 pounds. like 10 pounds. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you could see it on him. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you could see it on him. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you could see it on him. He looked good. He looked really good He looked good. He looked really good He looked good. He looked really good and but he had and but he had and but he had >> see this is where it gets weird. This is >> see this is where it gets weird. This is >> see this is where it gets weird. This is where it gets weird because you have where it gets weird because you have where it gets weird because you have this GLP data. You'll have uh typ by the this GLP data. You'll have uh typ by the this GLP data. You'll have uh typ by the way there's an article that just came way there's an article that just came way there's an article that just came out. So typical person who's using a GLP out. So typical person who's using a GLP out. So typical person who's using a GLP is avoiding exercise. is avoiding exercise. is avoiding exercise. So a majority of them are not choosing So a majority of them are not choosing So a majority of them are not choosing to Yeah. They're not. to Yeah. They're not. to Yeah. They're not. >> It is alarming. >> It is alarming. >> It is alarming. >> Yeah, bro. It's hard. >> Yeah, bro. It's hard. >> Yeah, bro. It's hard. >> It should. Yeah. >> It should. Yeah. >> It should. Yeah. >> Remember what I told you? >> Remember what I told you? >> Remember what I told you? >> You definitely don't want to. >> You definitely don't want to. >> You definitely don't want to. >> You're not It's It's hard enough to be >> You're not It's It's hard enough to be >> You're not It's It's hard enough to be motivated to to lift weights. We're all motivated to to lift weights. We're all motivated to to lift weights. We're all busy. We're all tired. We all work a busy. We're all tired. We all work a busy. We're all tired. We all work a lot. We all this that. lot. We all this that. lot. We all this that. >> Okay, take that and now cut your >> Okay, take that and now cut your >> Okay, take that and now cut your calories down to 1300,500. calories down to 1300,500. calories down to 1300,500. >> For somebody that doesn't even train to >> For somebody that doesn't even train to >> For somebody that doesn't even train to begin with. begin with. begin with. >> That's what I mean. >> That's what I mean. >> That's what I mean. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you're going into >> Yeah. Yeah. And you're going into >> Yeah. Yeah. And you're going into deficit and then all of a sudden trying deficit and then all of a sudden trying deficit and then all of a sudden trying to get more to get more to get more >> exactly what you said, Adam. And this is >> exactly what you said, Adam. And this is >> exactly what you said, Adam. And this is this problem. This is what this this this problem. This is what this this this problem. This is what this this what it says. People's daily steps might what it says. People's daily steps might what it says. People's daily steps might drop after starting a GLP1 prescription. drop after starting a GLP1 prescription. drop after starting a GLP1 prescription. New research suggests. New research suggests. New research suggests. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Why? Because people So here, doctors at >> Why? Because people So here, doctors at >> Why? Because people So here, doctors at uh St. John's Hospital Illinois and uh St. John's Hospital Illinois and uh St. John's Hospital Illinois and others examined Fitbit data from people others examined Fitbit data from people others examined Fitbit data from people with obesity who were prescribed a GLP-1 with obesity who were prescribed a GLP-1 with obesity who were prescribed a GLP-1 medication people's level of physical medication people's level of physical medication people's level of physical activity significantly decreased. activity significantly decreased. activity significantly decreased. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> After starting a GLP-1, they found I'll >> After starting a GLP-1, they found I'll >> After starting a GLP-1, they found I'll tell you why. It's because they're tell you why. It's because they're tell you why. It's because they're cutting their calories way the hell cutting their calories way the hell cutting their calories way the hell down. Have no energy. down. Have no energy. down. Have no energy. >> I One of the best things I did was when >> I One of the best things I did was when >> I One of the best things I did was when I did that was going into it like I I did that was going into it like I I did that was going into it like I think a client would go into it and not think a client would go into it and not think a client would go into it and not trying to game it, right? trying to game it, right? trying to game it, right? Because this is what I experienced was Because this is what I experienced was Because this is what I experienced was just low energy. I did not have a just low energy. I did not have a just low energy. I did not have a motivation. I didn't have a motivation motivation. I didn't have a motivation motivation. I didn't have a motivation to work out at all, much less continue to work out at all, much less continue to work out at all, much less continue go like increasing my steps or staying go like increasing my steps or staying go like increasing my steps or staying consistent. It was come home from work consistent. It was come home from work consistent. It was come home from work and I wanted to plop down in my giant and I wanted to plop down in my giant and I wanted to plop down in my giant bean bag and just take a midday nap bean bag and just take a midday nap bean bag and just take a midday nap >> because I was just tired. Was so tired >> because I was just tired. Was so tired >> because I was just tired. Was so tired from it. And so it takes a lot of from it. And so it takes a lot of from it. And so it takes a lot of discipline for somebody to to to discipline for somebody to to to discipline for somebody to to to continue to do the steps, continue to do continue to do the steps, continue to do continue to do the steps, continue to do the workouts, and then also push to eat the workouts, and then also push to eat the workouts, and then also push to eat when you're not hungry when you also when you're not hungry when you also when you're not hungry when you also know that that's what I'm trying to lose know that that's what I'm trying to lose know that that's what I'm trying to lose weight. weight. weight. >> Yeah. I'm trying to lose weight. >> Yeah. I'm trying to lose weight. >> Yeah. I'm trying to lose weight. >> Well, so my point with this is a lot of >> Well, so my point with this is a lot of >> Well, so my point with this is a lot of people are are taking these these these people are are taking these these these people are are taking these these these peptides. They're losing lots of weight. peptides. They're losing lots of weight. peptides. They're losing lots of weight. Their blood markers are getting better, Their blood markers are getting better, Their blood markers are getting better, >> but they feel weak. Yeah. >> but they feel weak. Yeah. >> but they feel weak. Yeah. >> They're losing strength and they have >> They're losing strength and they have >> They're losing strength and they have less energy. less energy. less energy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so what they're doing is they're >> And so what they're doing is they're >> And so what they're doing is they're just looking at the blood markers. the just looking at the blood markers. the just looking at the blood markers. the market. market. market. >> Hey, you're moving in the right >> Hey, you're moving in the right >> Hey, you're moving in the right direction. Meanwhile, you have a friend direction. Meanwhile, you have a friend direction. Meanwhile, you have a friend who's like, "Dude, I felt so strong. who's like, "Dude, I felt so strong. who's like, "Dude, I felt so strong. I've got more muscle. I've got more I've got more muscle. I've got more I've got more muscle. I've got more energy." And his blood lipid numbers are energy." And his blood lipid numbers are energy." And his blood lipid numbers are a little off. Yeah. a little off. Yeah. a little off. Yeah. >> And so, like, uhoh, what do I need to >> And so, like, uhoh, what do I need to >> And so, like, uhoh, what do I need to do? do? do? >> I know. Really looking at >> I know. Really looking at >> I know. Really looking at >> That's why I'm like that's why I was so >> That's why I'm like that's why I was so >> That's why I'm like that's why I was so frustrated with it and was like so frustrated with it and was like so frustrated with it and was like so caught. I think that's why I reached out caught. I think that's why I reached out caught. I think that's why I reached out to like I mean, how do I want to advise to like I mean, how do I want to advise to like I mean, how do I want to advise him right here cuz I just got him to him right here cuz I just got him to him right here cuz I just got him to build 10 pounds of muscle on his body build 10 pounds of muscle on his body build 10 pounds of muscle on his body and [laughter] doing a good job and now and [laughter] doing a good job and now and [laughter] doing a good job and now the doctor comes back and say, "Oh, your the doctor comes back and say, "Oh, your the doctor comes back and say, "Oh, your your blood lipids are a little off uh your blood lipids are a little off uh your blood lipids are a little off uh and now you should probably cut back red and now you should probably cut back red and now you should probably cut back red meat." I'm like, "Oh, man. This is what meat." I'm like, "Oh, man. This is what meat." I'm like, "Oh, man. This is what got killing me, dog." got killing me, dog." got killing me, dog." >> Yeah. So, it's like it's it's put you in >> Yeah. So, it's like it's it's put you in >> Yeah. So, it's like it's it's put you in that predicament of like what's and I that predicament of like what's and I that predicament of like what's and I don't know enough because it's not like don't know enough because it's not like don't know enough because it's not like I'm really coaching this person. So, I'm really coaching this person. So, I'm really coaching this person. So, it'd be different if I was a little more it'd be different if I was a little more it'd be different if I was a little more >> Yeah. See what there may be something >> Yeah. See what there may be something >> Yeah. See what there may be something else. else. else. >> Right. Right. So, I'm I'm also careful >> Right. Right. So, I'm I'm also careful >> Right. Right. So, I'm I'm also careful not not not >> I'm having organic beer. Is that >> I'm having organic beer. Is that >> I'm having organic beer. Is that >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] Yeah. I'm also >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] Yeah. I'm also >> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] Yeah. I'm also careful to not just be, oh, ignore the careful to not just be, oh, ignore the careful to not just be, oh, ignore the doctor, do this. You know what I'm doctor, do this. You know what I'm doctor, do this. You know what I'm saying? And so, I'm like, okay, saying? And so, I'm like, okay, saying? And so, I'm like, okay, >> speaking of that, that's a great >> speaking of that, that's a great >> speaking of that, that's a great transition. Um, transition. Um, transition. Um, >> so you know how they have the World Cup >> so you know how they have the World Cup >> so you know how they have the World Cup going on right now? Like Scotland's in going on right now? Like Scotland's in going on right now? Like Scotland's in there. Um, and I don't know, it's been there. Um, and I don't know, it's been there. Um, and I don't know, it's been years since they've really been in in years since they've really been in in years since they've really been in in the World Cup. So, a lot of Scottish the World Cup. So, a lot of Scottish the World Cup. So, a lot of Scottish fans flew in and it was on the East fans flew in and it was on the East fans flew in and it was on the East Coast. It was in um, Boston. And so, Coast. It was in um, Boston. And so, Coast. It was in um, Boston. And so, there's this statistic going around out there's this statistic going around out there's this statistic going around out now that um, you know, St. Patrick's Day now that um, you know, St. Patrick's Day now that um, you know, St. Patrick's Day is a big thing in Boston. Like, it just is a big thing in Boston. Like, it just is a big thing in Boston. Like, it just goes crazy, right? Uh, goes crazy, right? Uh, goes crazy, right? Uh, >> they dye the river and everything, >> they dye the river and everything, >> they dye the river and everything, right? right? right? >> Yeah. Everything. Everybody's drinking. >> Yeah. Everything. Everybody's drinking. >> Yeah. Everything. Everybody's drinking. And so, you can imagine how much beer And so, you can imagine how much beer And so, you can imagine how much beer sales are. So apparently like it's been sales are. So apparently like it's been sales are. So apparently like it's been three times the amount of beer. three times the amount of beer. three times the amount of beer. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. Triple >> Wow. Triple >> Wow. Triple >> Scottish fans. >> Scottish fans. >> Scottish fans. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> This is again this was a report out >> This is again this was a report out >> This is again this was a report out there that somebody posted. It's kind of there that somebody posted. It's kind of there that somebody posted. It's kind of funny. funny. funny. >> I This is like a really You just made me >> I This is like a really You just made me >> I This is like a really You just made me remember this. This has been a terrible remember this. This has been a terrible remember this. This has been a terrible year for Italy. year for Italy. year for Italy. >> They they didn't get in the World Cup >> They they didn't get in the World Cup >> They they didn't get in the World Cup and they came out with that just and they came out with that just and they came out with that just horrible Ferrari. horrible Ferrari. horrible Ferrari. >> Oh no. >> Oh no. >> Oh no. >> Just Italians are just bro. My my family >> Just Italians are just bro. My my family >> Just Italians are just bro. My my family is like they're so they're so depressed, is like they're so they're so depressed, is like they're so they're so depressed, dude. dude. dude. They're not in the World Cup and we have They're not in the World Cup and we have They're not in the World Cup and we have we have an electric Ferrari. we have an electric Ferrari. we have an electric Ferrari. >> The hell's happening, dude? Ugly >> The hell's happening, dude? Ugly >> The hell's happening, dude? Ugly electric Ferrari. electric Ferrari. electric Ferrari. >> Look at that. Look at this. Our Scottish >> Look at that. Look at this. Our Scottish >> Look at that. Look at this. Our Scottish soccer fans drinking all of the beer in soccer fans drinking all of the beer in soccer fans drinking all of the beer in Boston. [laughter] Boston. [laughter] Boston. [laughter] >> So, man, if you're a pub, you're loving >> So, man, if you're a pub, you're loving >> So, man, if you're a pub, you're loving it right now, huh? it right now, huh? it right now, huh? >> Champions. Yeah. Did you see the clip >> Champions. Yeah. Did you see the clip >> Champions. Yeah. Did you see the clip speaking of the World Cup? And uh it was speaking of the World Cup? And uh it was speaking of the World Cup? And uh it was it was what was it compare? Oh, was it was what was it compare? Oh, was it was what was it compare? Oh, was comparing the comparing the comparing the >> New York Knicks celebrating after the >> New York Knicks celebrating after the >> New York Knicks celebrating after the Spurs loss and just all the fights and Spurs loss and just all the fights and Spurs loss and just all the fights and the trash and that and they showed Japan the trash and that and they showed Japan the trash and that and they showed Japan uh playing who did they just Japan uh playing who did they just Japan uh playing who did they just Japan played somebody recently. I don't know played somebody recently. I don't know played somebody recently. I don't know who they played this last week who they played this last week who they played this last week >> and I believe they lost and they showed >> and I believe they lost and they showed >> and I believe they lost and they showed all the Japan fans afterwards. Crazy all the Japan fans afterwards. Crazy all the Japan fans afterwards. Crazy >> cleaning up the stands. >> cleaning up the stands. >> cleaning up the stands. >> Cleaning up the stands. Japanese culture >> Cleaning up the stands. Japanese culture >> Cleaning up the stands. Japanese culture is very is very is very >> dude I mean talk about huge I mean it >> dude I mean talk about huge I mean it >> dude I mean talk about huge I mean it wasn't like one or two people wasn't like one or two people wasn't like one or two people >> like all the Japanese fans that were in >> like all the Japanese fans that were in >> like all the Japanese fans that were in the stands the stands the stands >> stayed after the game and were using >> stayed after the game and were using >> stayed after the game and were using were had bags and were were picking up were had bags and were were picking up were had bags and were were picking up the trash. the trash. the trash. >> So I did I did judo as a kid and I did >> So I did I did judo as a kid and I did >> So I did I did judo as a kid and I did Brazilian jiu-jitsu as a young adult and Brazilian jiu-jitsu as a young adult and Brazilian jiu-jitsu as a young adult and judo I did in a traditional Japanese judo I did in a traditional Japanese judo I did in a traditional Japanese it's in [ __ ] Japan town here in San Jose it's in [ __ ] Japan town here in San Jose it's in [ __ ] Japan town here in San Jose San Jose Buddhist Judo Club one of the San Jose Buddhist Judo Club one of the San Jose Buddhist Judo Club one of the oldest judo schools. oldest judo schools. oldest judo schools. >> Yeah. And it was very traditional. And >> Yeah. And it was very traditional. And >> Yeah. And it was very traditional. And let me tell you the let me tell you the let me tell you the let me tell you the let me tell you the let me tell you the difference. You [snorts] did Japanese difference. You [snorts] did Japanese difference. You [snorts] did Japanese judo. We show up. We set up the mats. We judo. We show up. We set up the mats. We judo. We show up. We set up the mats. We set we sweep the mat. This is part of set we sweep the mat. This is part of set we sweep the mat. This is part of your basically part of the class. You your basically part of the class. You your basically part of the class. You sweep the mats, get everything ready. sweep the mats, get everything ready. sweep the mats, get everything ready. It's very professional. At the very end, It's very professional. At the very end, It's very professional. At the very end, we clean the mats again. We roll them we clean the mats again. We roll them we clean the mats again. We roll them up. Brazilian jiu-jitsu is like you show up. Brazilian jiu-jitsu is like you show up. Brazilian jiu-jitsu is like you show up like, "Hey, what's up, bro? How you up like, "Hey, what's up, bro? How you up like, "Hey, what's up, bro? How you doing?" 15 minutes late, fist bump, you doing?" 15 minutes late, fist bump, you doing?" 15 minutes late, fist bump, you know, do your thing. Totally different. know, do your thing. Totally different. know, do your thing. Totally different. >> You know, this is a part of our culture >> You know, this is a part of our culture >> You know, this is a part of our culture I don't like. Right. There's a bit and I don't like. Right. There's a bit and I don't like. Right. There's a bit and and I know we're in the world we can be and I know we're in the world we can be and I know we're in the world we can be known as like this the arrogant known as like this the arrogant known as like this the arrogant Americans Americans Americans >> that there's there's so much that we can >> that there's there's so much that we can >> that there's there's so much that we can learn and take away from other cultures learn and take away from other cultures learn and take away from other cultures and like what a great I mean and like what a great I mean and like what a great I mean >> oh yes the >> oh yes the >> oh yes the >> memorable >> memorable >> memorable >> oh 100% you're in you're in another >> oh 100% you're in you're in another >> oh 100% you're in you're in another country in another in another team country in another in another team country in another in another team stadium your team loses you stay after stadium your team loses you stay after stadium your team loses you stay after the game and you pick up the the game and you pick up the the game and you pick up the >> like that's that I mean that >> like that's that I mean that >> like that's that I mean that >> that's like a whole new standard >> that's like a whole new standard >> that's like a whole new standard >> and and it's like what's wild to me >> and and it's like what's wild to me >> and and it's like what's wild to me about that is the those people are about that is the those people are about that is the those people are strangers. It's not like there's not strangers. It's not like there's not strangers. It's not like there's not like a family of 10 people doing it. like a family of 10 people doing it. like a family of 10 people doing it. It's like there was like a hundreds of It's like there was like a hundreds of It's like there was like a hundreds of people that like that the whole culture people that like that the whole culture people that like that the whole culture that just that's what you do. You go that just that's what you do. You go that just that's what you do. You go somewhere, you make a mess. somewhere, you make a mess. somewhere, you make a mess. >> Doesn't matter if it's in a stadium, in >> Doesn't matter if it's in a stadium, in >> Doesn't matter if it's in a stadium, in a home or what that like you stay and a home or what that like you stay and a home or what that like you stay and you clean up your like that's you clean up your like that's you clean up your like that's >> Do you guys remember what with the big >> Do you guys remember what with the big >> Do you guys remember what with the big earthquake that happened in Japan and earthquake that happened in Japan and earthquake that happened in Japan and the Fuk was it the Fukushima power plant the Fuk was it the Fukushima power plant the Fuk was it the Fukushima power plant that Okay. And it was so radioactive that Okay. And it was so radioactive that Okay. And it was so radioactive that they needed volunteers to go down that they needed volunteers to go down that they needed volunteers to go down to help clean it knowing that they would to help clean it knowing that they would to help clean it knowing that they would die. It was the elderly, right? die. It was the elderly, right? die. It was the elderly, right? >> Elderly Japanese people volunteered. >> Elderly Japanese people volunteered. >> Elderly Japanese people volunteered. >> That was so >> That was so >> That was so >> They volunteer cuz they're like, "I'm >> They volunteer cuz they're like, "I'm >> They volunteer cuz they're like, "I'm already old, so I'll go down." Wow. And already old, so I'll go down." Wow. And already old, so I'll go down." Wow. And I'll clean. I'll clean. I'll clean. >> That was so cool. >> That was so cool. >> That was so cool. >> It's the It's so such cool things about >> It's the It's so such cool things about >> It's the It's so such cool things about uh cultures like that. uh cultures like that. uh cultures like that. >> Yeah, I know. I just wild to me to see >> Yeah, I know. I just wild to me to see >> Yeah, I know. I just wild to me to see hundreds do that. I mean, that that says hundreds do that. I mean, that that says hundreds do that. I mean, that that says something about an entire culture if something about an entire culture if something about an entire culture if hundreds of people get buy in like that. hundreds of people get buy in like that. hundreds of people get buy in like that. You know, you get there. It's not to say You know, you get there. It's not to say You know, you get there. It's not to say there's not good people, and I'm sure there's not good people, and I'm sure there's not good people, and I'm sure there's somebody who's listening to this there's somebody who's listening to this there's somebody who's listening to this podcast like, "I always clean up after podcast like, "I always clean up after podcast like, "I always clean up after myself." Well, you're one person, you myself." Well, you're one person, you myself." Well, you're one person, you know, [laughter] know, [laughter] know, [laughter] like you're not an entire culture. like you're not an entire culture. like you're not an entire culture. >> I've always wanted to go there cuz it's >> I've always wanted to go there cuz it's >> I've always wanted to go there cuz it's such a great culture, but then they got such a great culture, but then they got such a great culture, but then they got weird stuff like some of their anime is weird stuff like some of their anime is weird stuff like some of their anime is really crazy. Like I would like really crazy. Like I would like really crazy. Like I would like [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yeah, it's a super clean place and it is >> Yeah, it's a super clean place and it is >> Yeah, it's a super clean place and it is the culture to do that to clean up after the culture to do that to clean up after the culture to do that to clean up after yourself. And good luck finding a yourself. And good luck finding a yourself. And good luck finding a garbage can on the street garbage can on the street garbage can on the street >> because people don't walk and eat food >> because people don't walk and eat food >> because people don't walk and eat food there. They eat it where they buy it or there. They eat it where they buy it or there. They eat it where they buy it or they take it home or wherever they're they take it home or wherever they're they take it home or wherever they're going and throw it away there. So, um, going and throw it away there. So, um, going and throw it away there. So, um, yeah, there's a lot of like little yeah, there's a lot of like little yeah, there's a lot of like little frustrating things about Japan, but I frustrating things about Japan, but I frustrating things about Japan, but I really appreciate how detailed they are really appreciate how detailed they are really appreciate how detailed they are and how, uh, conscientious they are. and how, uh, conscientious they are. and how, uh, conscientious they are. >> Is it true that it's custom or it's part >> Is it true that it's custom or it's part >> Is it true that it's custom or it's part of the culture where like I don't know, of the culture where like I don't know, of the culture where like I don't know, Fridays or whatever, everybody goes out Fridays or whatever, everybody goes out Fridays or whatever, everybody goes out with the boss and you got to keep with the boss and you got to keep with the boss and you got to keep drinking until he says we're done. drinking until he says we're done. drinking until he says we're done. >> So, I never worked in the corporate >> So, I never worked in the corporate >> So, I never worked in the corporate world, but judging by the trains, I world, but judging by the trains, I world, but judging by the trains, I don't think it's just a week, you know, don't think it's just a week, you know, don't think it's just a week, you know, Friday. I think it's like Monday, Friday. I think it's like Monday, Friday. I think it's like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday [laughter] hammered. Tuesday, Wednesday [laughter] hammered. Tuesday, Wednesday [laughter] hammered. >> Yeah, they get hammered. >> Yeah, they get hammered. >> Yeah, they get hammered. >> That's funny. I saw I saw a clip after >> That's funny. I saw I saw a clip after >> That's funny. I saw I saw a clip after this and I don't know. I can't I think this and I don't know. I can't I think this and I don't know. I can't I think it was attached to this just like their it was attached to this just like their it was attached to this just like their culture and different things they teach culture and different things they teach culture and different things they teach and train and some of that. They're and train and some of that. They're and train and some of that. They're showing kid children when they're really showing kid children when they're really showing kid children when they're really young. This is to keep people from young. This is to keep people from young. This is to keep people from jaywalking, right? So that people you jaywalking, right? So that people you jaywalking, right? So that people you won't jaywalk as you get older. So when won't jaywalk as you get older. So when won't jaywalk as you get older. So when they're really young, there's like a they're really young, there's like a they're really young, there's like a stadium of kids and they probably look stadium of kids and they probably look stadium of kids and they probably look like the the kids must be five to seven like the the kids must be five to seven like the the kids must be five to seven at the oldest of young like our kids' at the oldest of young like our kids' at the oldest of young like our kids' age, real young, and they're all sitting age, real young, and they're all sitting age, real young, and they're all sitting like like in a school setting and they like like in a school setting and they like like in a school setting and they show like a car full speed hitting like show like a car full speed hitting like show like a car full speed hitting like a child dummy. a child dummy. a child dummy. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like like Yeah. Show >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like like Yeah. Show >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like like Yeah. Show and Yes. Yes. And so it's like one of and Yes. Yes. And so it's like one of and Yes. Yes. And so it's like one of those crash dummy like tests and it's those crash dummy like tests and it's those crash dummy like tests and it's like there's like front row seats of it like there's like front row seats of it like there's like front row seats of it and like all the children are sitting and like all the children are sitting and like all the children are sitting and they get to watch like what happens and they get to watch like what happens and they get to watch like what happens to this this like to this this like to this this like >> the red asphalt leg. >> the red asphalt leg. >> the red asphalt leg. Yeah. They don't even show that anymore. Yeah. They don't even show that anymore. Yeah. They don't even show that anymore. Come on. Come on. Come on. >> That was you had if you got a point on >> That was you had if you got a point on >> That was you had if you got a point on your license or whatever and you had to your license or whatever and you had to your license or whatever and you had to go do traffic go do traffic go do traffic look up how how they train Japanese kids look up how how they train Japanese kids look up how how they train Japanese kids to not to not jaywalk and see if that to not to not jaywalk and see if that to not to not jaywalk and see if that pops up. They would show you a video in pops up. They would show you a video in pops up. They would show you a video in traffic school of horrible accents. traffic school of horrible accents. traffic school of horrible accents. >> Horrible. >> Horrible. >> Horrible. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like brain. And I get it now. >> Like brain. And I get it now. >> Like brain. And I get it now. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Back then I was like, "Yeah, wow. What >> Back then I was like, "Yeah, wow. What >> Back then I was like, "Yeah, wow. What is this?" is this?" is this?" >> Yeah, dude. Did it slow me down though? >> Yeah, dude. Did it slow me down though? >> Yeah, dude. Did it slow me down though? >> Children is crossing choruses. Hands up >> Children is crossing choruses. Hands up >> Children is crossing choruses. Hands up rule. rule. rule. >> Yeah. I'm not seeing their um Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm not seeing their um Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm not seeing their um Yeah. Well, there. Well, there. Well, there. >> There it is. Right there. Oh, really? >> There it is. Right there. Oh, really? >> There it is. Right there. Oh, really? There it is. There it is. There it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> This one here, the second video. Right >> This one here, the second video. Right >> This one here, the second video. Right there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. there. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. >> You see it? >> You see it? >> You see it? >> Yeah, I see it. Yeah, >> Yeah, I see it. Yeah, >> Yeah, I see it. Yeah, >> this can't be everybody. >> this can't be everybody. >> this can't be everybody. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, it is Instagram. I'm not Well, I'm not it is Instagram. I'm not Well, I'm not it is Instagram. I'm not Well, I'm not [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] I'm not logged in on that computer. I'm not logged in on that computer. I'm not logged in on that computer. >> Yeah. Well, I I got to bring up some >> Yeah. Well, I I got to bring up some >> Yeah. Well, I I got to bring up some some interesting science on uh our some interesting science on uh our some interesting science on uh our partner's super patch. So, I was talking partner's super patch. So, I was talking partner's super patch. So, I was talking I had I had I had >> so wild. >> so wild. >> so wild. >> So, I had a couple of them on the other >> So, I had a couple of them on the other >> So, I had a couple of them on the other day. I don't remember where was I. I day. I don't remember where was I. I day. I don't remember where was I. I went somewhere and I was with friends went somewhere and I was with friends went somewhere and I was with friends and one of them's like they noticed I and one of them's like they noticed I and one of them's like they noticed I had the patch on my arm. Like, what is had the patch on my arm. Like, what is had the patch on my arm. Like, what is that? I'm like, oh, oh, that's what it that? I'm like, oh, oh, that's what it that? I'm like, oh, oh, that's what it was. I was training my buddy [snorts] was. I was training my buddy [snorts] was. I was training my buddy [snorts] who's a doctor, right? Science guy, who's a doctor, right? Science guy, who's a doctor, right? Science guy, doctor. doctor. doctor. >> So, he's like, "What's on your arm?" I'm >> So, he's like, "What's on your arm?" I'm >> So, he's like, "What's on your arm?" I'm like, "Dude, this is the wildest thing." like, "Dude, this is the wildest thing." like, "Dude, this is the wildest thing." >> Great person to talk to. >> Great person to talk to. >> Great person to talk to. >> Oh, perfect. >> Oh, perfect. >> Oh, perfect. >> You You want to go ahead and sit down? I >> You You want to go ahead and sit down? I >> You You want to go ahead and sit down? I got to explain. got to explain. got to explain. >> Listen, this is the craziest [laughter] >> Listen, this is the craziest [laughter] >> Listen, this is the craziest [laughter] thing. I said, "It's called haptic thing. I said, "It's called haptic thing. I said, "It's called haptic technology." And so, there's no it's not technology." And so, there's no it's not technology." And so, there's no it's not transdermal. There's no chemicals. transdermal. There's no chemicals. transdermal. There's no chemicals. There's no medicine in it. There's no There's no medicine in it. There's no There's no medicine in it. There's no supplement in it. It's literally just a supplement in it. It's literally just a supplement in it. It's literally just a patch that sits on your skin and the patch that sits on your skin and the patch that sits on your skin and the design on there creates tension on the design on there creates tension on the design on there creates tension on the skin and actually changes uh you know skin and actually changes uh you know skin and actually changes uh you know how we can measure your brain waves to how we can measure your brain waves to how we can measure your brain waves to match brain waves that would be like match brain waves that would be like match brain waves that would be like athletic performance or for sleep or for athletic performance or for sleep or for athletic performance or for sleep or for whatever. And his face of course is whatever. And his face of course is whatever. And his face of course is looking at me was like get out of here looking at me was like get out of here looking at me was like get out of here bro. I'm like listen bro. I'm like listen bro. I'm like listen >> what are you talking about? >> what are you talking about? >> what are you talking about? >> I'm I'm the big I was the biggest >> I'm I'm the big I was the biggest >> I'm I'm the big I was the biggest skeptic. Biggest skeptic. skeptic. Biggest skeptic. skeptic. Biggest skeptic. >> I sent him all the studies. I have I >> I sent him all the studies. I have I >> I sent him all the studies. I have I have yet to hear from him. have yet to hear from him. have yet to hear from him. >> Oh yeah, >> Oh yeah, >> Oh yeah, >> bro. There's like a dozen. So people >> bro. There's like a dozen. So people >> bro. There's like a dozen. So people need to understand this. He did his need to understand this. He did his need to understand this. He did his homework. There's a dozen peer-reviewed homework. There's a dozen peer-reviewed homework. There's a dozen peer-reviewed studies on super patches patches and how studies on super patches patches and how studies on super patches patches and how well they work and they're the studies well they work and they're the studies well they work and they're the studies are wild. It's not like a little effect. are wild. It's not like a little effect. are wild. It's not like a little effect. No, it's wild. No, it's wild. No, it's wild. >> They work. >> They work. >> They work. >> It is really crazy. >> It is really crazy. >> It is really crazy. >> So, have you Which So, I use the sleep >> So, have you Which So, I use the sleep >> So, have you Which So, I use the sleep one all the time. one all the time. one all the time. >> The pain one I use like crazy. The pain. >> The pain one I use like crazy. The pain. >> The pain one I use like crazy. The pain. Yeah. It's a it's a I compare it to and Yeah. It's a it's a I compare it to and Yeah. It's a it's a I compare it to and I think when I think when I brought this I think when I think when I brought this I think when I think when I brought this up I I brought this up before and you up I I brought this up before and you up I I brought this up before and you actually looked up it is the exact p the actually looked up it is the exact p the actually looked up it is the exact p the studies that show what percentage of studies that show what percentage of studies that show what percentage of pain I said I said it feels like if I pain I said I said it feels like if I pain I said I said it feels like if I have a level eight have a level eight have a level eight >> it brings me down to like a five or >> it brings me down to like a five or >> it brings me down to like a five or something five or six somewhere like something five or six somewhere like something five or six somewhere like that taking it down. that taking it down. that taking it down. >> Yeah. Which and I compared it to taking >> Yeah. Which and I compared it to taking >> Yeah. Which and I compared it to taking an Advil. an Advil. an Advil. >> It is similar >> It is similar >> It is similar >> in the pain study. It's as effective as >> in the pain study. It's as effective as >> in the pain study. It's as effective as >> Yeah. Advil never has never felt >> Yeah. Advil never has never felt >> Yeah. Advil never has never felt miraculous to me, but if I have pain or miraculous to me, but if I have pain or miraculous to me, but if I have pain or it's not as loud, yeah, it's not as loud, yeah, it's not as loud, yeah, >> but yeah, it definitely dull dulls it >> but yeah, it definitely dull dulls it >> but yeah, it definitely dull dulls it and it works. We know it works. and it works. We know it works. and it works. We know it works. Obviously, it's been around forever. Obviously, it's been around forever. Obviously, it's been around forever. Everybody uses it. And so when I use Everybody uses it. And so when I use Everybody uses it. And so when I use that patch, I'm like, this is what it that patch, I'm like, this is what it that patch, I'm like, this is what it kind of reminds me of. Only I'm not kind of reminds me of. Only I'm not kind of reminds me of. Only I'm not taking a pill, you know? It's like this taking a pill, you know? It's like this taking a pill, you know? It's like this patch I can put on. And so, and then you patch I can put on. And so, and then you patch I can put on. And so, and then you looked it up and then what the looked it up and then what the looked it up and then what the >> So, they have they have one for athletic >> So, they have they have one for athletic >> So, they have they have one for athletic performance and they use them. performance and they use them. performance and they use them. >> That's what I want to try. >> That's what I want to try. >> That's what I want to try. >> So, they have one. So, here's the deal. >> So, they have one. So, here's the deal. >> So, they have one. So, here's the deal. So, uh it's it's measurable. It's about So, uh it's it's measurable. It's about So, uh it's it's measurable. It's about as measurable as caffeine, which is as measurable as caffeine, which is as measurable as caffeine, which is actually quite measurable. However, if actually quite measurable. However, if actually quite measurable. However, if you're an athlete, you have to use it you're an athlete, you have to use it you're an athlete, you have to use it consistently for you to notice the consistently for you to notice the consistently for you to notice the effect because you can have a day that's effect because you can have a day that's effect because you can have a day that's off or whatever, but it's measurable. off or whatever, but it's measurable. off or whatever, but it's measurable. That's what the study shows. So, I've That's what the study shows. So, I've That's what the study shows. So, I've used that one. I've used the pain one. used that one. I've used the pain one. used that one. I've used the pain one. I've used the sleep one. I've used the sleep one. I've used the sleep one. >> I've used sleep one, too. >> I've used sleep one, too. >> I've used sleep one, too. >> And then there's one called joy >> And then there's one called joy >> And then there's one called joy >> that help that's supposed to help with >> that help that's supposed to help with >> that help that's supposed to help with mood and I think it works and it's mood and I think it works and it's mood and I think it works and it's really weird. I'm still skeptical. really weird. I'm still skeptical. really weird. I'm still skeptical. >> I use the sleep one and I what's cool is >> I use the sleep one and I what's cool is >> I use the sleep one and I what's cool is the Liberty one. the Liberty one. the Liberty one. >> I should look up what Liberty they name >> I should look up what Liberty they name >> I should look up what Liberty they name them. They have names on them and I'm them. They have names on them and I'm them. They have names on them and I'm like I don't what does that mean? like I don't what does that mean? like I don't what does that mean? >> I have that one and I was like oh what >> I have that one and I was like oh what >> I have that one and I was like oh what does this one do? does this one do? does this one do? >> I think it just gives you freedom. >> I think it just gives you freedom. >> I think it just gives you freedom. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> The sleep one improved my REM. So I I >> The sleep one improved my REM. So I I >> The sleep one improved my REM. So I I consistently measure my sleep already consistently measure my sleep already consistently measure my sleep already right now. right now. right now. >> That's what the study show >> That's what the study show >> That's what the study show >> and so it improved my REM. >> and so it improved my REM. >> and so it improved my REM. >> Oh Liberty patch uh better mobility, >> Oh Liberty patch uh better mobility, >> Oh Liberty patch uh better mobility, balance, stability, strength and balance, stability, strength and balance, stability, strength and control. control. control. >> Oh cool. Yeah. >> Oh cool. Yeah. >> Oh cool. Yeah. >> Yeah. So they have a whole bunch of >> Yeah. So they have a whole bunch of >> Yeah. So they have a whole bunch of these dude that are pretty there's one these dude that are pretty there's one these dude that are pretty there's one that boosts met metabolic rate. I got to that boosts met metabolic rate. I got to that boosts met metabolic rate. I got to look at the study on this. I still am look at the study on this. I still am look at the study on this. I still am skeptical even though I use it and I and skeptical even though I use it and I and skeptical even though I use it and I and these are peer-reviewed studies. I I these are peer-reviewed studies. I I these are peer-reviewed studies. I I still still still >> because it just it seems so woo woo. >> because it just it seems so woo woo. >> because it just it seems so woo woo. >> It's a whole new category of science. It >> It's a whole new category of science. It >> It's a whole new category of science. It really is. They invented or essentially really is. They invented or essentially really is. They invented or essentially created a whole new area of research. Um created a whole new area of research. Um created a whole new area of research. Um >> I'm really curious to see how it spreads >> I'm really curious to see how it spreads >> I'm really curious to see how it spreads out, you know, cuz I know he was like um out, you know, cuz I know he was like um out, you know, cuz I know he was like um addressing the the pro sports market and addressing the the pro sports market and addressing the the pro sports market and like they're doing like wild things with like they're doing like wild things with like they're doing like wild things with athletic performance. Uh but just to see athletic performance. Uh but just to see athletic performance. Uh but just to see like if it really does pervade, you like if it really does pervade, you like if it really does pervade, you know, culture. Well, isn't the isn't know, culture. Well, isn't the isn't know, culture. Well, isn't the isn't this the science behind Braille is very this the science behind Braille is very this the science behind Braille is very similar when you think about it? Like similar when you think about it? Like similar when you think about it? Like what? Like we just take that for granted what? Like we just take that for granted what? Like we just take that for granted because it's been around for a long because it's been around for a long because it's been around for a long time. time. time. >> But you ever think that somebody blind >> But you ever think that somebody blind >> But you ever think that somebody blind touches a bunch of dots and and can and touches a bunch of dots and and can and touches a bunch of dots and and can and can decipher it. can decipher it. can decipher it. >> Yeah. Decipher words and sentences and >> Yeah. Decipher words and sentences and >> Yeah. Decipher words and sentences and language. language. language. >> Well, that's how it started. And what he >> Well, that's how it started. And what he >> Well, that's how it started. And what he did with the research because he's an did with the research because he's an did with the research because he's an engineer. We did a whole podcast with engineer. We did a whole podcast with engineer. We did a whole podcast with him. I'm going to I'm going to make it him. I'm going to I'm going to make it him. I'm going to I'm going to make it real simple. He literally took there's real simple. He literally took there's real simple. He literally took there's tons of data, tons of data on I think tons of data, tons of data on I think tons of data, tons of data on I think they're called EEGs, right? That's the they're called EEGs, right? That's the they're called EEGs, right? That's the brain. Is that is that what the brain? brain. Is that is that what the brain? brain. Is that is that what the brain? Look it up because I don't want to get Look it up because I don't want to get Look it up because I don't want to get this wrong. Tons of data. And there's this wrong. Tons of data. And there's this wrong. Tons of data. And there's EEGs on people in all kinds of different EEGs on people in all kinds of different EEGs on people in all kinds of different states of mind. He created an algorithm states of mind. He created an algorithm states of mind. He created an algorithm that could sift through it all. And then that could sift through it all. And then that could sift through it all. And then like an engineer, he tested different like an engineer, he tested different like an engineer, he tested different techniques. And there's way more that techniques. And there's way more that techniques. And there's way more that goes into it. The guy spent, I don't goes into it. The guy spent, I don't goes into it. The guy spent, I don't know, $40 million of his own money, I know, $40 million of his own money, I know, $40 million of his own money, I think it was. and he would just put it think it was. and he would just put it think it was. and he would just put it on people and look and measure their on people and look and measure their on people and look and measure their brain waves. He's like, "Oh, cool. This brain waves. He's like, "Oh, cool. This brain waves. He's like, "Oh, cool. This one's producing the brain waves that one's producing the brain waves that one's producing the brain waves that seem to produce better athletic seem to produce better athletic seem to produce better athletic performance." performance." performance." >> And then they would test it and they ran >> And then they would test it and they ran >> And then they would test it and they ran the study and then show sure enough it the study and then show sure enough it the study and then show sure enough it works. I mean, basically, he's an works. I mean, basically, he's an works. I mean, basically, he's an engineer. engineer. engineer. >> It's wild. Yeah, >> It's wild. Yeah, >> It's wild. Yeah, >> I know. It's It's really really crazy. >> I know. It's It's really really crazy. >> I know. It's It's really really crazy. Anyway, super cool. Anyway, super cool. Anyway, super cool. >> I uh um uh favorite shirt from Viori. >> I uh um uh favorite shirt from Viori. >> I uh um uh favorite shirt from Viori. What's your favorite strate for me? What's your favorite strate for me? What's your favorite strate for me? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> hands down. >> hands down. >> hands down. >> I'm on the jacket. >> I'm on the jacket. >> I'm on the jacket. >> That's the one that I wear all the time. >> That's the one that I wear all the time. >> That's the one that I wear all the time. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> all the time. >> all the time. >> all the time. >> I'd have to say that's the one with the >> I'd have to say that's the one with the >> I'd have to say that's the one with the pocket, right? No, I think this one with pocket, right? No, I think this one with pocket, right? No, I think this one with the pocket. the pocket. the pocket. >> Doug's got one on right now. >> Doug's got one on right now. >> Doug's got one on right now. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> You have the straddle on. >> You have the straddle on. >> You have the straddle on. >> I like the >> I like the >> I like the >> It's a little thinner, but it has a >> It's a little thinner, but it has a >> It's a little thinner, but it has a pocket on it and it just it fits like a pocket on it and it just it fits like a pocket on it and it just it fits like a glove. Like it's very Yeah. glove. Like it's very Yeah. glove. Like it's very Yeah. >> Yeah. And you're still stuck on the >> Yeah. And you're still stuck on the >> Yeah. And you're still stuck on the jacket. jacket. jacket. >> Yeah. Yeah. Those I bought another one. >> Yeah. Yeah. Those I bought another one. >> Yeah. Yeah. Those I bought another one. You know that, right? You know that, right? You know that, right? >> You got two now? >> You got two now? >> You got two now? >> Yeah. Yeah. I ordered a third one. >> Yeah. Yeah. I ordered a third one. >> Yeah. Yeah. I ordered a third one. >> You got three now? >> You got three now? >> You got three now? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I just like >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I just like >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I just like >> Are they different colors? Are you >> Are they different colors? Are you >> Are they different colors? Are you getting the same? getting the same? getting the same? >> Yeah. No, of course. [laughter] >> Yeah. No, of course. [laughter] >> Yeah. No, of course. [laughter] >> I mean, I guess it's a fair question. I >> I mean, I guess it's a fair question. I >> I mean, I guess it's a fair question. I have like five of the same color pants. have like five of the same color pants. have like five of the same color pants. You know what I'm saying? So, I guess You know what I'm saying? So, I guess You know what I'm saying? So, I guess it's a fair question. it's a fair question. it's a fair question. >> That's how I wear clothes. >> That's how I wear clothes. >> That's how I wear clothes. I mean, it makes sense. I feel like with I mean, it makes sense. I feel like with I mean, it makes sense. I feel like with the pants, like the having the black the pants, like the having the black the pants, like the having the black pants that all go together, but it's uh pants that all go together, but it's uh pants that all go together, but it's uh No, they're No, they're No, they're >> they're I just like how light they are. >> they're I just like how light they are. >> they're I just like how light they are. I like that I can dress them up or down I like that I can dress them up or down I like that I can dress them up or down and so they look really they look really and so they look really they look really and so they look really they look really sharp if I want to look dressed up. Um sharp if I want to look dressed up. Um sharp if I want to look dressed up. Um if I want to be casual in them. So, it's if I want to be casual in them. So, it's if I want to be casual in them. So, it's it's one of the things that I love about it's one of the things that I love about it's one of the things that I love about Boris. So, I brought up the Stratech cuz Boris. So, I brought up the Stratech cuz Boris. So, I brought up the Stratech cuz I was wearing Stratate to uh went to a I was wearing Stratate to uh went to a I was wearing Stratate to uh went to a church event with a bunch of uh friends church event with a bunch of uh friends church event with a bunch of uh friends and right away people recognize now that and right away people recognize now that and right away people recognize now that I have Vori is such a recognizable brand I have Vori is such a recognizable brand I have Vori is such a recognizable brand now. So, someone's like, "Oh, Vori, I now. So, someone's like, "Oh, Vori, I now. So, someone's like, "Oh, Vori, I like them." So, we started talking and like them." So, we started talking and like them." So, we started talking and they're like, "How do you know them?" they're like, "How do you know them?" they're like, "How do you know them?" I'm like, "Oh, they sponsor the show. I'm like, "Oh, they sponsor the show. I'm like, "Oh, they sponsor the show. I've been working with them for a I've been working with them for a I've been working with them for a while." while." while." >> And they're like, "How long have you >> And they're like, "How long have you >> And they're like, "How long have you been working with them?" And I was been working with them?" And I was been working with them?" And I was telling them like, "We worked with them telling them like, "We worked with them telling them like, "We worked with them before they had before they had before they had >> they had one physical location. >> they had one physical location. >> they had one physical location. >> It was Insinas, right? That was the only >> It was Insinas, right? That was the only >> It was Insinas, right? That was the only one." one." one." >> And they were just tripping like, "What >> And they were just tripping like, "What >> And they were just tripping like, "What do you like it was it was all online. do you like it was it was all online. do you like it was it was all online. >> We grand opened their first physical >> We grand opened their first physical >> We grand opened their first physical location uh that nobody a lot of people location uh that nobody a lot of people location uh that nobody a lot of people didn't know who they were didn't know who they were didn't know who they were >> and now everybody knows. >> and now everybody knows. >> and now everybody knows. >> Yeah, we were we were the official first >> Yeah, we were we were the official first >> Yeah, we were we were the official first sponsor and partnership they had ever sponsor and partnership they had ever sponsor and partnership they had ever worked. We reached out to them. So, uh I worked. We reached out to them. So, uh I worked. We reached out to them. So, uh I explained this too to a lot of friends explained this too to a lot of friends explained this too to a lot of friends and people that we know that have and people that we know that have and people that we know that have started a podcast and that asked me started a podcast and that asked me started a podcast and that asked me questions about partnerships and I said, questions about partnerships and I said, questions about partnerships and I said, you know, we really did it different you know, we really did it different you know, we really did it different than uh a lot of people I know in the than uh a lot of people I know in the than uh a lot of people I know in the space. most people uh just they'll take space. most people uh just they'll take space. most people uh just they'll take whatever companies reach out or who will whatever companies reach out or who will whatever companies reach out or who will pay whatever amount. Um where when we pay whatever amount. Um where when we pay whatever amount. Um where when we built this we originally were going to built this we originally were going to built this we originally were going to do no ads, no anything like that. It was do no ads, no anything like that. It was do no ads, no anything like that. It was like there was no reason we didn't need like there was no reason we didn't need like there was no reason we didn't need to. That wasn't the the the mission. to. That wasn't the the the mission. to. That wasn't the the the mission. >> Obviously got to a place where we had >> Obviously got to a place where we had >> Obviously got to a place where we had lots of companies that were reaching lots of companies that were reaching lots of companies that were reaching out, none that we were really interested out, none that we were really interested out, none that we were really interested in. And I thought, well, why don't I in. And I thought, well, why don't I in. And I thought, well, why don't I just try and see if I can go after just try and see if I can go after just try and see if I can go after brands that we like? And I got to credit brands that we like? And I got to credit brands that we like? And I got to credit uh Taylor because Taylor was the one uh Taylor because Taylor was the one uh Taylor because Taylor was the one that who introduced this who worked for that who introduced this who worked for that who introduced this who worked for us way back in the day. Yeah. T Dog us way back in the day. Yeah. T Dog us way back in the day. Yeah. T Dog >> T Dog >> T Dog >> T Dog >> who who I I don't know if you you I >> who who I I don't know if you you I >> who who I I don't know if you you I don't know if you guys remember this or don't know if you guys remember this or don't know if you guys remember this or not. I I know I've said it to you not. I I know I've said it to you not. I I know I've said it to you before, but the big motivation of hiring before, but the big motivation of hiring before, but the big motivation of hiring him was I mean he's a good 10 15 years him was I mean he's a good 10 15 years him was I mean he's a good 10 15 years younger than me. And I like to think younger than me. And I like to think younger than me. And I like to think that when I was younger, I was the cool that when I was younger, I was the cool that when I was younger, I was the cool kid who was on all the hip trends. I'm kid who was on all the hip trends. I'm kid who was on all the hip trends. I'm fully aware I'm not that cool guy fully aware I'm not that cool guy fully aware I'm not that cool guy anymore. I'm I'm totally okay. I'm a dad anymore. I'm I'm totally okay. I'm a dad anymore. I'm I'm totally okay. I'm a dad now. I'm not cool. I'm not hip. Too much now. I'm not cool. I'm not hip. Too much now. I'm not cool. I'm not hip. Too much to keep up with. to keep up with. to keep up with. >> Right. Yeah, it's just it's a lot it's a >> Right. Yeah, it's just it's a lot it's a >> Right. Yeah, it's just it's a lot it's a lot of work to stay up on the trends and lot of work to stay up on the trends and lot of work to stay up on the trends and to stay up on that. But I I I I love to stay up on that. But I I I I love to stay up on that. But I I I I love that, respected that so much and know that, respected that so much and know that, respected that so much and know how important that is to the generation how important that is to the generation how important that is to the generation coming up. And he was that kid that I coming up. And he was that kid that I coming up. And he was that kid that I knew that was young enough and distant knew that was young enough and distant knew that was young enough and distant enough from my age that was like I was enough from my age that was like I was enough from my age that was like I was when and he was always on the latest when and he was always on the latest when and he was always on the latest newest stuff of everything. And so that newest stuff of everything. And so that newest stuff of everything. And so that was a lot of the motivation of bringing was a lot of the motivation of bringing was a lot of the motivation of bringing him on the team is like I want somebody him on the team is like I want somebody him on the team is like I want somebody who is up and up on all the latest who is up and up on all the latest who is up and up on all the latest brands and trends. And so and I remember brands and trends. And so and I remember brands and trends. And so and I remember when he brought Viori to me and he's when he brought Viori to me and he's when he brought Viori to me and he's just like we got to get with this brand. just like we got to get with this brand. just like we got to get with this brand. And so we reached out to Joe and the the And so we reached out to Joe and the the And so we reached out to Joe and the the founder and basically presented to them. founder and basically presented to them. founder and basically presented to them. They're like I don't know who you guys They're like I don't know who you guys They're like I don't know who you guys are [laughter] because they didn't know are [laughter] because they didn't know are [laughter] because they didn't know who we were at the time. And I was like who we were at the time. And I was like who we were at the time. And I was like listen I think that I think this is listen I think that I think this is listen I think that I think this is right up our alley. I right up our alley. I right up our alley. I >> we're going to make you a a household >> we're going to make you a a household >> we're going to make you a a household name brand. name brand. name brand. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I didn't put it like that. What I did >> I didn't put it like that. What I did >> I didn't put it like that. What I did what I did say is we had a we had a very what I did say is we had a we had a very what I did say is we had a we had a very loyal audience. I really like your your loyal audience. I really like your your loyal audience. I really like your your your brand and I think that it fits our your brand and I think that it fits our your brand and I think that it fits our demographic really well. Gave him like a demographic really well. Gave him like a demographic really well. Gave him like a sweetheart deal and told him this is a sweetheart deal and told him this is a sweetheart deal and told him this is a sweetheart deal. I I we can't afford to sweetheart deal. I I we can't afford to sweetheart deal. I I we can't afford to do a partnership with this forever, but do a partnership with this forever, but do a partnership with this forever, but let me prove to you that it's a let me prove to you that it's a let me prove to you that it's a worthwhile partnership. And so I made worthwhile partnership. And so I made worthwhile partnership. And so I made that pitch like that. that pitch like that. that pitch like that. >> Was that eight years ago? Seven. >> Was that eight years ago? Seven. >> Was that eight years ago? Seven. >> Yeah. Eight. Maybe longer. >> Yeah. Eight. Maybe longer. >> Yeah. Eight. Maybe longer. >> Maybe longer. They're one of the first. >> Maybe longer. They're one of the first. >> Maybe longer. They're one of the first. >> That's cool. >> That's cool. >> That's cool. >> Yeah. They're one of the early early >> Yeah. They're one of the early early >> Yeah. They're one of the early early partnerships partnerships partnerships >> like 90% of my wardrobe. [laughter] >> like 90% of my wardrobe. [laughter] >> like 90% of my wardrobe. [laughter] >> I think all of ours I mean I have it's >> I think all of ours I mean I have it's >> I think all of ours I mean I have it's become they they're always constantly um become they they're always constantly um become they they're always constantly um you know the one thing I get upset when you know the one thing I get upset when you know the one thing I get upset when we do these ads for them is uh they we do these ads for them is uh they we do these ads for them is uh they always have like new stuff coming out always have like new stuff coming out always have like new stuff coming out and I don't even keep up with all of it. and I don't even keep up with all of it. and I don't even keep up with all of it. And then occasionally I'll go into the And then occasionally I'll go into the And then occasionally I'll go into the store and like damn I didn't even know store and like damn I didn't even know store and like damn I didn't even know they had all this. And we work with them they had all this. And we work with them they had all this. And we work with them and so and so and so >> you know they they're always coming out >> you know they they're always coming out >> you know they they're always coming out with new great stuff. And so it's it's with new great stuff. And so it's it's with new great stuff. And so it's it's an incredible brand. and I love an incredible brand. and I love an incredible brand. and I love everything they do. [snorts] everything they do. [snorts] everything they do. 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So, what's happening? Let us know. Give us a little [clears throat] uh Give us a little [clears throat] uh Give us a little [clears throat] uh little review and then update. little review and then update. little review and then update. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, when we first met, um my >> Yeah. Yeah. So, when we first met, um my >> Yeah. Yeah. So, when we first met, um my personal goal was to lose fat. Um, at personal goal was to lose fat. Um, at personal goal was to lose fat. Um, at the time I weighed about 207 and I had the time I weighed about 207 and I had the time I weighed about 207 and I had just taken a DEXA scan and it said I was just taken a DEXA scan and it said I was just taken a DEXA scan and it said I was around 30% body fat. So I met with you around 30% body fat. So I met with you around 30% body fat. So I met with you guys. Um, I followed the advice to like guys. Um, I followed the advice to like guys. Um, I followed the advice to like just prioritize protein daily steps uh, just prioritize protein daily steps uh, just prioritize protein daily steps uh, and increase healthy fats. And since and increase healthy fats. And since and increase healthy fats. And since then I've lost over 20 lbs. So I'm about then I've lost over 20 lbs. So I'm about then I've lost over 20 lbs. So I'm about 183 now. Um, more importantly I just 183 now. Um, more importantly I just 183 now. Um, more importantly I just feel really good. So, I'm I'm focusing feel really good. So, I'm I'm focusing feel really good. So, I'm I'm focusing on protein and activity instead of on protein and activity instead of on protein and activity instead of obsessing over, you know, every single obsessing over, you know, every single obsessing over, you know, every single calorie. Um, and that made the process a calorie. Um, and that made the process a calorie. Um, and that made the process a lot more enjoyable, a lot more lot more enjoyable, a lot more lot more enjoyable, a lot more sustainable for me. And so, I feel like sustainable for me. And so, I feel like sustainable for me. And so, I feel like I've been able to build healthy habits, I've been able to build healthy habits, I've been able to build healthy habits, and I've been able to maintain a and I've been able to maintain a and I've been able to maintain a flexible flexible flexible metabolic lifestyle uh for months now, metabolic lifestyle uh for months now, metabolic lifestyle uh for months now, which has been really nice with the which has been really nice with the which has been really nice with the stage of life that I'm in. Um, you guys stage of life that I'm in. Um, you guys stage of life that I'm in. Um, you guys gave me maps anabolic and I really gave me maps anabolic and I really gave me maps anabolic and I really enjoyed it. It was It was really nice to enjoyed it. It was It was really nice to enjoyed it. It was It was really nice to try something new. I'm not typically try something new. I'm not typically try something new. I'm not typically like a full body guy. I'm typically like like a full body guy. I'm typically like like a full body guy. I'm typically like a we're doing shoulders today or we're a we're doing shoulders today or we're a we're doing shoulders today or we're doing chest today, but it was really doing chest today, but it was really doing chest today, but it was really nice to try something new and uh I felt nice to try something new and uh I felt nice to try something new and uh I felt like my body really responded to like a like my body really responded to like a like my body really responded to like a new type of stimulus. So, that was new type of stimulus. So, that was new type of stimulus. So, that was awesome. [gasps] Basically, at this awesome. [gasps] Basically, at this awesome. [gasps] Basically, at this point, like I've lost weight, I point, like I've lost weight, I point, like I've lost weight, I [clears throat] feel good. Um, I'm just [clears throat] feel good. Um, I'm just [clears throat] feel good. Um, I'm just trying to figure out what my next steps trying to figure out what my next steps trying to figure out what my next steps are. So, I've uh I've noticed a little are. So, I've uh I've noticed a little are. So, I've uh I've noticed a little bit of strength loss. Um, my goal right bit of strength loss. Um, my goal right bit of strength loss. Um, my goal right now isn't to bulk, but I would like to now isn't to bulk, but I would like to now isn't to bulk, but I would like to get some of that strength back. I am get some of that strength back. I am get some of that strength back. I am really liking how lean that I feel. I really liking how lean that I feel. I really liking how lean that I feel. I probably still have some body fat to probably still have some body fat to probably still have some body fat to peel off, so I don't know if I'm in like peel off, so I don't know if I'm in like peel off, so I don't know if I'm in like a recmp mode or or what. Um, I can kind a recmp mode or or what. Um, I can kind a recmp mode or or what. Um, I can kind of get into my calories, too. my of get into my calories, too. my of get into my calories, too. my calories have actually gone up as I've calories have actually gone up as I've calories have actually gone up as I've lost weight and like my metabolism has lost weight and like my metabolism has lost weight and like my metabolism has increased. So I feel like I'm in what increased. So I feel like I'm in what increased. So I feel like I'm in what you guys have called like the Goldilock you guys have called like the Goldilock you guys have called like the Goldilock zone like so that's awesome. Um just zone like so that's awesome. Um just zone like so that's awesome. Um just want to get a little stronger. It's a want to get a little stronger. It's a want to get a little stronger. It's a little uh you know disappointing to to little uh you know disappointing to to little uh you know disappointing to to like feel a noticeable strength loss in like feel a noticeable strength loss in like feel a noticeable strength loss in all the core lifts. all the core lifts. all the core lifts. >> It's pretty it's pretty common when you >> It's pretty it's pretty common when you >> It's pretty it's pretty common when you drop 20 lbs you know. So that's and and drop 20 lbs you know. So that's and and drop 20 lbs you know. So that's and and I think you're actually in a really good I think you're actually in a really good I think you're actually in a really good place. I'd like to hear a little bit place. I'd like to hear a little bit place. I'd like to hear a little bit about uh cuz it's awesome that you've about uh cuz it's awesome that you've about uh cuz it's awesome that you've been able to kind of do this intuitive been able to kind of do this intuitive been able to kind of do this intuitive eating. What would you say is like uh eating. What would you say is like uh eating. What would you say is like uh like if if you have what you think is a like if if you have what you think is a like if if you have what you think is a not a great day eating or what's what's not a great day eating or what's what's not a great day eating or what's what's the things that creep into the diet that the things that creep into the diet that the things that creep into the diet that were not ideal or like would not be a were not ideal or like would not be a were not ideal or like would not be a what you consider a really good day? what you consider a really good day? what you consider a really good day? >> Yeah, a really good day like it's just a >> Yeah, a really good day like it's just a >> Yeah, a really good day like it's just a really good day is like being on it all really good day is like being on it all really good day is like being on it all day and it's like chicken and rice, uh day and it's like chicken and rice, uh day and it's like chicken and rice, uh beef and rice. It's just like, you know, beef and rice. It's just like, you know, beef and rice. It's just like, you know, getting good fiber. It's it's hitting my getting good fiber. It's it's hitting my getting good fiber. It's it's hitting my protein. A really bad day is like I I protein. A really bad day is like I I protein. A really bad day is like I I don't hit steps. I'm short on protein. I don't hit steps. I'm short on protein. I don't hit steps. I'm short on protein. I go out to eat with the family. Maybe I go out to eat with the family. Maybe I go out to eat with the family. Maybe I have, you know, some wine or something have, you know, some wine or something have, you know, some wine or something for dinner. Um, you know, that creates for dinner. Um, you know, that creates for dinner. Um, you know, that creates like a poor sleep that night and I'm like a poor sleep that night and I'm like a poor sleep that night and I'm kind of dragging the next day and I'm kind of dragging the next day and I'm kind of dragging the next day and I'm trying to like play catchup the next trying to like play catchup the next trying to like play catchup the next day. So, day. So, day. So, >> well, Alex, let me pause you there for a >> well, Alex, let me pause you there for a >> well, Alex, let me pause you there for a second. Um cuz I have a couple questions second. Um cuz I have a couple questions second. Um cuz I have a couple questions before we get into kind of what you before we get into kind of what you before we get into kind of what you considered the bad day, right? considered the bad day, right? considered the bad day, right? >> Just talk a little bit about the >> Just talk a little bit about the >> Just talk a little bit about the strength changes that you noticed. strength changes that you noticed. strength changes that you noticed. >> Can you give me an example of where a >> Can you give me an example of where a >> Can you give me an example of where a lift was and where it is now? lift was and where it is now? lift was and where it is now? >> Yeah, [clears throat] I So I used to uh >> Yeah, [clears throat] I So I used to uh >> Yeah, [clears throat] I So I used to uh be able to rep out like 185 on an be able to rep out like 185 on an be able to rep out like 185 on an incline barbell bench for three, four incline barbell bench for three, four incline barbell bench for three, four sets of 10 to 12 like pretty pretty sets of 10 to 12 like pretty pretty sets of 10 to 12 like pretty pretty easily. I felt really strong in that easily. I felt really strong in that easily. I felt really strong in that lift and I'm really struggling on 5x5s lift and I'm really struggling on 5x5s lift and I'm really struggling on 5x5s now. Um I'm able to hit five sets of now. Um I'm able to hit five sets of now. Um I'm able to hit five sets of five but um five but um five but um >> with the same weight >> with the same weight >> with the same weight >> with the same weight, but I can't do >> with the same weight, but I can't do >> with the same weight, but I can't do anymore. anymore. anymore. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> so so here's what you want to do with >> so so here's what you want to do with >> so so here's what you want to do with strength when you start to lose weight. strength when you start to lose weight. strength when you start to lose weight. Um and now this isn't true necessarily Um and now this isn't true necessarily Um and now this isn't true necessarily for beginners. Uh a beginner will often for beginners. Uh a beginner will often for beginners. Uh a beginner will often see strength go up as they lose weight. see strength go up as they lose weight. see strength go up as they lose weight. And so this can sound confusing to And so this can sound confusing to And so this can sound confusing to somebody who's experienced because somebody who's experienced because somebody who's experienced because they'll drop weight and see strength they'll drop weight and see strength they'll drop weight and see strength drop and be like, "Am I doing something drop and be like, "Am I doing something drop and be like, "Am I doing something wrong?" wrong?" wrong?" >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh but it's expected when you're >> Uh but it's expected when you're >> Uh but it's expected when you're experienced. experienced. experienced. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's expected to go down in strength >> It's expected to go down in strength >> It's expected to go down in strength when you drop weight. What you want to when you drop weight. What you want to when you drop weight. What you want to look at is your strength toe ratio. look at is your strength toe ratio. look at is your strength toe ratio. So, if you were doing 185 for 10 and you So, if you were doing 185 for 10 and you So, if you were doing 185 for 10 and you lost 20 lb, uh, your weight to strength, lost 20 lb, uh, your weight to strength, lost 20 lb, uh, your weight to strength, your strength to weight ratio would be your strength to weight ratio would be your strength to weight ratio would be the same if it went down to 155 for 10. the same if it went down to 155 for 10. the same if it went down to 155 for 10. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> 20 lbs down. Does that make sense? >> 20 lbs down. Does that make sense? >> 20 lbs down. Does that make sense? >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it sounds to me like you've maintained >> it sounds to me like you've maintained >> it sounds to me like you've maintained your strength or maybe even gone up a your strength or maybe even gone up a your strength or maybe even gone up a little bit little bit little bit >> if we start to look. And so, you could >> if we start to look. And so, you could >> if we start to look. And so, you could do this with your lifts. You could say, do this with your lifts. You could say, do this with your lifts. You could say, "Okay, how much was I doing for one rep "Okay, how much was I doing for one rep "Okay, how much was I doing for one rep here? How much am I doing for one rep here? How much am I doing for one rep here? How much am I doing for one rep there? What is my strength toweight there? What is my strength toweight there? What is my strength toweight ratio? And if you're losing weight and ratio? And if you're losing weight and ratio? And if you're losing weight and keeping your strength to weight ratio keeping your strength to weight ratio keeping your strength to weight ratio around the same, you're totally winning. around the same, you're totally winning. around the same, you're totally winning. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You're doing a great job. Yes. Okay. >> You're doing a great job. Yes. Okay. >> You're doing a great job. Yes. Okay. >> Yes. Okay. So there, that's number one. >> Yes. Okay. So there, that's number one. >> Yes. Okay. So there, that's number one. Now, let's go back to what you defined Now, let's go back to what you defined Now, let's go back to what you defined as a bad quote unquote bad day. as a bad quote unquote bad day. as a bad quote unquote bad day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What we need is a complete picture of >> What we need is a complete picture of >> What we need is a complete picture of what that actually means. So I need more what that actually means. So I need more what that actually means. So I need more information. When you're going out with information. When you're going out with information. When you're going out with your family and you're eating out and your family and you're eating out and your family and you're eating out and having a little bit of wine, what are having a little bit of wine, what are having a little bit of wine, what are some of the good things out of that day? some of the good things out of that day? some of the good things out of that day? I mean, from a [clears throat] I mean, from a [clears throat] I mean, from a [clears throat] nutritional standpoint or nutritional standpoint or nutritional standpoint or >> No, let's look at the big picture. >> No, let's look at the big picture. >> No, let's look at the big picture. >> Oh, okay. Yeah, big picture. I mean, >> Oh, okay. Yeah, big picture. I mean, >> Oh, okay. Yeah, big picture. I mean, it's it's a great social bonding moment it's it's a great social bonding moment it's it's a great social bonding moment like with people who love me and care like with people who love me and care like with people who love me and care about me and it means a lot to go and do about me and it means a lot to go and do about me and it means a lot to go and do things like that. So, from that things like that. So, from that things like that. So, from that standpoint, like it's a great day. standpoint, like it's a great day. standpoint, like it's a great day. >> Good. Because what you're talking about >> Good. Because what you're talking about >> Good. Because what you're talking about right now, Alex, is you're you're you're right now, Alex, is you're you're you're right now, Alex, is you're you're you're moving towards uh what would be moving towards uh what would be moving towards uh what would be considered a lifestyle considered a lifestyle considered a lifestyle >> of health and fitness. I'm so glad you >> of health and fitness. I'm so glad you >> of health and fitness. I'm so glad you went that direction with him cuz it's went that direction with him cuz it's went that direction with him cuz it's where I was heading, which was cuz I I where I was heading, which was cuz I I where I was heading, which was cuz I I can tell just by looking at you from can tell just by looking at you from can tell just by looking at you from here, you're you're healthy and fit. here, you're you're healthy and fit. here, you're you're healthy and fit. You're in a good you're in a good place. You're in a good you're in a good place. You're in a good you're in a good place. Now, does that mean could you be more Now, does that mean could you be more Now, does that mean could you be more ripped and maybe you want a little more ripped and maybe you want a little more ripped and maybe you want a little more of that? And what comes with that is is of that? And what comes with that is is of that? And what comes with that is is is sac sacrifice. So maybe less of those is sac sacrifice. So maybe less of those is sac sacrifice. So maybe less of those days that Sal's talking about for more days that Sal's talking about for more days that Sal's talking about for more abs. abs. abs. >> And and so and and so and I wrestle with >> And and so and and so and I wrestle with >> And and so and and so and I wrestle with this all the time. and and like and I this all the time. and and like and I this all the time. and and like and I have to make that choice of like do I have to make that choice of like do I have to make that choice of like do I enjoy enjoy enjoy every Friday night I can have a couple every Friday night I can have a couple every Friday night I can have a couple glasses of whiskey and enjoy good glasses of whiskey and enjoy good glasses of whiskey and enjoy good barbecue ribs with my wife and not count barbecue ribs with my wife and not count barbecue ribs with my wife and not count calories and you know what I'm I'm not calories and you know what I'm I'm not calories and you know what I'm I'm not going to look like stage Adam that way going to look like stage Adam that way going to look like stage Adam that way definitely not you know what I'm saying definitely not you know what I'm saying definitely not you know what I'm saying or and if I'm in a season in my life or and if I'm in a season in my life or and if I'm in a season in my life where I'm like you know what I want to where I'm like you know what I want to where I'm like you know what I want to ramp it up a little bit I'm going to ramp it up a little bit I'm going to ramp it up a little bit I'm going to have less less of those for a while and have less less of those for a while and have less less of those for a while and so I think you're kind of in that place so I think you're kind of in that place so I think you're kind of in that place right now where I think you're in a very right now where I think you're in a very right now where I think you're in a very healthy balanced and I think if you just healthy balanced and I think if you just healthy balanced and I think if you just keep kind of going the way you are, keep kind of going the way you are, keep kind of going the way you are, you're going to slowly just keep you're going to slowly just keep you're going to slowly just keep recomping, getting strong, getting a recomping, getting strong, getting a recomping, getting strong, getting a little bit fitter. If you wanted to see little bit fitter. If you wanted to see little bit fitter. If you wanted to see that faster, or you wanted more that faster, or you wanted more that faster, or you wanted more leanness, then you you just you would leanness, then you you just you would leanness, then you you just you would have less of those days. You'd have less have less of those days. You'd have less have less of those days. You'd have less less of those days uh and you'd have less of those days uh and you'd have less of those days uh and you'd have more abs. But then you have to ask more abs. But then you have to ask more abs. But then you have to ask yourself and and I I always encourage yourself and and I I always encourage yourself and and I I always encourage people go through a season where you do people go through a season where you do people go through a season where you do that. You know, make those sacrifices, that. You know, make those sacrifices, that. You know, make those sacrifices, get shredded to prove to yourself that get shredded to prove to yourself that get shredded to prove to yourself that you can, you know, say no to all those you can, you know, say no to all those you can, you know, say no to all those days and see if you're happier. Most days and see if you're happier. Most days and see if you're happier. Most people are not. You know what I'm people are not. You know what I'm people are not. You know what I'm saying? Most people, they get there and saying? Most people, they get there and saying? Most people, they get there and temporarily go, "This looks badass." And temporarily go, "This looks badass." And temporarily go, "This looks badass." And then they go, "But boy, I missed that then they go, "But boy, I missed that then they go, "But boy, I missed that night with my wife and it would have night with my wife and it would have night with my wife and it would have been really nice to have that popcorn been really nice to have that popcorn been really nice to have that popcorn and that movie." And and so I I think and that movie." And and so I I think and that movie." And and so I I think you're I think you're right there. I you're I think you're right there. I you're I think you're right there. I think I feel at least that's what I hear think I feel at least that's what I hear think I feel at least that's what I hear and I feel from you is that you're kind and I feel from you is that you're kind and I feel from you is that you're kind of in that place right now. of in that place right now. of in that place right now. >> Yeah, you're doing a good job, dude. >> Yeah, you're doing a good job, dude. >> Yeah, you're doing a good job, dude. You're actually kicking ass. You really You're actually kicking ass. You really You're actually kicking ass. You really are. There's a couple things you could are. There's a couple things you could are. There's a couple things you could do when you eat out if you want to make do when you eat out if you want to make do when you eat out if you want to make it uh a little bit more conducive to it uh a little bit more conducive to it uh a little bit more conducive to like fitness goals. Like what I'll do is like fitness goals. Like what I'll do is like fitness goals. Like what I'll do is I'll still go out and enjoy myself. I'll I'll still go out and enjoy myself. I'll I'll still go out and enjoy myself. I'll just won't eat carbs. That's really easy just won't eat carbs. That's really easy just won't eat carbs. That's really easy for me to avoid. So I can have the steak for me to avoid. So I can have the steak for me to avoid. So I can have the steak and vegetables and the glass of wine and and vegetables and the glass of wine and and vegetables and the glass of wine and so now the calories are a little bit so now the calories are a little bit so now the calories are a little bit lower. Um you know there's there's lower. Um you know there's there's lower. Um you know there's there's little things like that. But you know little things like that. But you know little things like that. But you know fitness isn't life. fitness isn't life. fitness isn't life. >> Uh life is not fitness. Fitness makes >> Uh life is not fitness. Fitness makes >> Uh life is not fitness. Fitness makes life better. You know like on people's life better. You know like on people's life better. You know like on people's death Exactly. So, like on people's death Exactly. So, like on people's death Exactly. So, like on people's deathbeds, people never say, "I wish I deathbeds, people never say, "I wish I deathbeds, people never say, "I wish I worked more or I wish I had better abs worked more or I wish I had better abs worked more or I wish I had better abs or I wish I avoided, you know, that or I wish I avoided, you know, that or I wish I avoided, you know, that dinner with my wife." Nobody says that. dinner with my wife." Nobody says that. dinner with my wife." Nobody says that. >> I want that on my tombstone. >> I want that on my tombstone. >> I want that on my tombstone. >> People may say, "I wish I took better >> People may say, "I wish I took better >> People may say, "I wish I took better care of myself so I didn't get a heart care of myself so I didn't get a heart care of myself so I didn't get a heart attack." Like, that might happen. attack." Like, that might happen. attack." Like, that might happen. >> But often times what they say is, "I >> But often times what they say is, "I >> But often times what they say is, "I wish I spent more time with my family or wish I spent more time with my family or wish I spent more time with my family or I special," you know? So, so you're in I special," you know? So, so you're in I special," you know? So, so you're in that phase where you're like, "Man, I that phase where you're like, "Man, I that phase where you're like, "Man, I I'm getting this lifestyle that's really I'm getting this lifestyle that's really I'm getting this lifestyle that's really improving the quality of my life." And improving the quality of my life." And improving the quality of my life." And what I would say to you, bro, is just what I would say to you, bro, is just what I would say to you, bro, is just stay the course. Yeah. The mistake you stay the course. Yeah. The mistake you stay the course. Yeah. The mistake you can make right now, Alex, is to start to can make right now, Alex, is to start to can make right now, Alex, is to start to look at it and everything's going good look at it and everything's going good look at it and everything's going good and then to start to be like, how can I and then to start to be like, how can I and then to start to be like, how can I make this happen faster? make this happen faster? make this happen faster? >> And that can be a mistake. That can be a >> And that can be a mistake. That can be a >> And that can be a mistake. That can be a trap. trap. trap. >> Um, yeah. As far as programs are >> Um, yeah. As far as programs are >> Um, yeah. As far as programs are concerned, uh, I see you asked the concerned, uh, I see you asked the concerned, uh, I see you asked the question about maps powerlift. I think question about maps powerlift. I think question about maps powerlift. I think that'd be a great program. that'd be a great program. that'd be a great program. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. Wasn't sure where to go from >> Okay. Yeah. Wasn't sure where to go from >> Okay. Yeah. Wasn't sure where to go from here. Again, like I just I I'm in a here. Again, like I just I I'm in a here. Again, like I just I I'm in a really good spot right now where I'm not really good spot right now where I'm not really good spot right now where I'm not focusing on every detail. I just want to focusing on every detail. I just want to focusing on every detail. I just want to stay the course and continue to build stay the course and continue to build stay the course and continue to build strength. Um, not really sure what strength. Um, not really sure what strength. Um, not really sure what program, but I know you guys have a program, but I know you guys have a program, but I know you guys have a program like like Powerlift, so wanted program like like Powerlift, so wanted program like like Powerlift, so wanted to get your input. to get your input. to get your input. >> Yeah, I think I think Powerlift is a >> Yeah, I think I think Powerlift is a >> Yeah, I think I think Powerlift is a great program. And the my advice great program. And the my advice great program. And the my advice following it would be uh a when you're following it would be uh a when you're following it would be uh a when you're hungry, feed. So like uh if if all goes hungry, feed. So like uh if if all goes hungry, feed. So like uh if if all goes well, well, well, >> you'll your appetite will increase while >> you'll your appetite will increase while >> you'll your appetite will increase while you're going through this and and feed you're going through this and and feed you're going through this and and feed yourself. But make good choices. Yep. yourself. But make good choices. Yep. yourself. But make good choices. Yep. >> I mean that allow allow that. And and if >> I mean that allow allow that. And and if >> I mean that allow allow that. And and if we do that correctly, it it should make we do that correctly, it it should make we do that correctly, it it should make this real natural reverse diet for you this real natural reverse diet for you this real natural reverse diet for you where the calories keep going up. We where the calories keep going up. We where the calories keep going up. We should see strength go up. Not really. I should see strength go up. Not really. I should see strength go up. Not really. I don't really care with the scale cuz don't really care with the scale cuz don't really care with the scale cuz you're at a plate a good weight. I don't you're at a plate a good weight. I don't you're at a plate a good weight. I don't need you to be any lighter than what you need you to be any lighter than what you need you to be any lighter than what you are. So, I mean, if the scale goes to are. So, I mean, if the scale goes to are. So, I mean, if the scale goes to 187, who cares? Especially if strength 187, who cares? Especially if strength 187, who cares? Especially if strength is going up, that's a really good sign. is going up, that's a really good sign. is going up, that's a really good sign. And appetite going up and eating more. And appetite going up and eating more. And appetite going up and eating more. >> So, I'm really that's what we're >> So, I'm really that's what we're >> So, I'm really that's what we're watching is to see that and feel that. watching is to see that and feel that. watching is to see that and feel that. And I think uh you will lean out in the And I think uh you will lean out in the And I think uh you will lean out in the process. And you'll lean out not through process. And you'll lean out not through process. And you'll lean out not through dropping weight on the scale, but dropping weight on the scale, but dropping weight on the scale, but through building more muscle. And so, through building more muscle. And so, through building more muscle. And so, yeah, that'll probably Have you Have you yeah, that'll probably Have you Have you yeah, that'll probably Have you Have you done another uh scan since you did the done another uh scan since you did the done another uh scan since you did the 30% one? Do you know where you're at? 30% one? Do you know where you're at? 30% one? Do you know where you're at? >> You know, I I actually haven't. And I >> You know, I I actually haven't. And I >> You know, I I actually haven't. And I didn't because I realized it kind of didn't because I realized it kind of didn't because I realized it kind of just robbed me of my happiness before. just robbed me of my happiness before. just robbed me of my happiness before. And although it sent me down this path And although it sent me down this path And although it sent me down this path of like of like of like >> No, you're good, dude. >> No, you're good, dude. >> No, you're good, dude. >> Something about it. Like S I think last >> Something about it. Like S I think last >> Something about it. Like S I think last time we talked was like time we talked was like time we talked was like >> it sounds like it stole the happiness >> it sounds like it stole the happiness >> it sounds like it stole the happiness from you like, you know, basically. And from you like, you know, basically. And from you like, you know, basically. And I was like, you know what? I think it I was like, you know what? I think it I was like, you know what? I think it did, did, did, >> bro. You are you are in such a good >> bro. You are you are in such a good >> bro. You are you are in such a good Yeah, you're in a good place. That's a Yeah, you're in a good place. That's a Yeah, you're in a good place. That's a good place, bro. That's a good place. good place, bro. That's a good place. good place, bro. That's a good place. You're literally on the right path. You're literally on the right path. You're literally on the right path. >> What I do love is that my calories like >> What I do love is that my calories like >> What I do love is that my calories like when I I I was at like 1,900 2,000 when I I I was at like 1,900 2,000 when I I I was at like 1,900 2,000 really trying to cut. And now I'm eating really trying to cut. And now I'm eating really trying to cut. And now I'm eating whenever I'm hungry. I'm at like whenever I'm hungry. I'm at like whenever I'm hungry. I'm at like probably 24 2500 the last time I probably 24 2500 the last time I probably 24 2500 the last time I actually tracked all day. And I'm not actually tracked all day. And I'm not actually tracked all day. And I'm not gaining any weight. So I'm maintaining gaining any weight. So I'm maintaining gaining any weight. So I'm maintaining around 183 at like 24 2500. Isn't that around 183 at like 24 2500. Isn't that around 183 at like 24 2500. Isn't that weird? So my weird? So my weird? So my >> Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. My >> Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. My >> Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. My metabolism is firing. I don't want to metabolism is firing. I don't want to metabolism is firing. I don't want to cut any more calories. I'm at about cut any more calories. I'm at about cut any more calories. I'm at about 8,000 steps a day. 8,000 steps a day. 8,000 steps a day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, some days are lower, some days >> You know, some days are lower, some days >> You know, some days are lower, some days are a little bit higher, but average are a little bit higher, but average are a little bit higher, but average about 8,000. So, like I think I'm about 8,000. So, like I think I'm about 8,000. So, like I think I'm humming along. Um, and I have you guys humming along. Um, and I have you guys humming along. Um, and I have you guys to think because I feel like I have that to think because I feel like I have that to think because I feel like I have that you guys talk about like metabolic and you guys talk about like metabolic and you guys talk about like metabolic and lifestyle flexibility where lifestyle flexibility where lifestyle flexibility where >> I call it a bad day, but it's not a bad >> I call it a bad day, but it's not a bad >> I call it a bad day, but it's not a bad day. like I go out and I have that day. like I go out and I have that day. like I go out and I have that flexibility where I can go and do flexibility where I can go and do flexibility where I can go and do whatever with my family and then I can whatever with my family and then I can whatever with my family and then I can still still still >> maintain the goals that I have like big >> maintain the goals that I have like big >> maintain the goals that I have like big picture. So, picture. So, picture. So, >> good job. Yeah, you're killing it. >> good job. Yeah, you're killing it. >> good job. Yeah, you're killing it. >> Success story. >> Success story. >> Success story. >> Total success story. [laughter] >> Total success story. [laughter] >> Total success story. [laughter] And honestly, if you're right if you're And honestly, if you're right if you're And honestly, if you're right if you're right probably falling around 2425 and right probably falling around 2425 and right probably falling around 2425 and we go into powerlift and you eat when we go into powerlift and you eat when we go into powerlift and you eat when you're hungry, you're hungry, you're hungry, >> you'll probably go up. >> you'll probably go up. >> you'll probably go up. >> You'll probably go up around 27 2,800 >> You'll probably go up around 27 2,800 >> You'll probably go up around 27 2,800 maybe even 3,000 calories and be able to maybe even 3,000 calories and be able to maybe even 3,000 calories and be able to still kind of maintain your body still kind of maintain your body still kind of maintain your body composition. composition. composition. >> I'll tell you what. So at this point if >> I'll tell you what. So at this point if >> I'll tell you what. So at this point if you you know just the only advice I'd you you know just the only advice I'd you you know just the only advice I'd give you is cycle through our programs give you is cycle through our programs give you is cycle through our programs and just focus on the physical aspect of and just focus on the physical aspect of and just focus on the physical aspect of it. So like powerlift is great. it. So like powerlift is great. it. So like powerlift is great. >> I think symmetry would be phenomenal >> I think symmetry would be phenomenal >> I think symmetry would be phenomenal >> everything >> everything >> everything >> after that and then you can look at >> after that and then you can look at >> after that and then you can look at different programs and look at see see different programs and look at see see different programs and look at see see what what looks fun. what what looks fun. what what looks fun. >> My my advice I give all callers or >> My my advice I give all callers or >> My my advice I give all callers or people that we're coaching is uh either people that we're coaching is uh either people that we're coaching is uh either symmetry or performance cycle through symmetry or performance cycle through symmetry or performance cycle through once a year. once a year. once a year. >> That that'll address any imbalances. >> That that'll address any imbalances. >> That that'll address any imbalances. It's got unilateral work. It's got It's got unilateral work. It's got It's got unilateral work. It's got rotational stuff in there. And the one rotational stuff in there. And the one rotational stuff in there. And the one bad thing about anabolic and powerlift bad thing about anabolic and powerlift bad thing about anabolic and powerlift if you just ran those all the time is if you just ran those all the time is if you just ran those all the time is you'll get really strong but you're not you'll get really strong but you're not you'll get really strong but you're not addressing a lot of the imbalances, addressing a lot of the imbalances, addressing a lot of the imbalances, rotational stuff, unilateral stuff, and rotational stuff, unilateral stuff, and rotational stuff, unilateral stuff, and that'll keep you healthy, take care of that'll keep you healthy, take care of that'll keep you healthy, take care of those joints long term. So, as long as those joints long term. So, as long as those joints long term. So, as long as you cycle through one of those two you cycle through one of those two you cycle through one of those two programs every year and just keep keep programs every year and just keep keep programs every year and just keep keep on this path, you're good, man. on this path, you're good, man. on this path, you're good, man. >> Nice. My my other question, as I was >> Nice. My my other question, as I was >> Nice. My my other question, as I was doing anabolic, um obviously there's doing anabolic, um obviously there's doing anabolic, um obviously there's barbell squats. I know you guys talk barbell squats. I know you guys talk barbell squats. I know you guys talk about doing barbell squats all the time. about doing barbell squats all the time. about doing barbell squats all the time. Um, man, my shoulder, my right shoulder Um, man, my shoulder, my right shoulder Um, man, my shoulder, my right shoulder is so uncomfortable holding the bar back is so uncomfortable holding the bar back is so uncomfortable holding the bar back there. I'm not sure what to do. So, I've there. I'm not sure what to do. So, I've there. I'm not sure what to do. So, I've opted for belt squats, hack squats. I've opted for belt squats, hack squats. I've opted for belt squats, hack squats. I've gotten strong, but I know that I would gotten strong, but I know that I would gotten strong, but I know that I would like to be strong at back squats, and I like to be strong at back squats, and I like to be strong at back squats, and I have a lot more to give there, but I have a lot more to give there, but I have a lot more to give there, but I just I I rack it because my shoulder just I I rack it because my shoulder just I I rack it because my shoulder can't take that position. can't take that position. can't take that position. >> Where do you feel the pain? Yeah, >> Where do you feel the pain? Yeah, >> Where do you feel the pain? Yeah, >> I mean, it's it's hard to describe it. >> I mean, it's it's hard to describe it. >> I mean, it's it's hard to describe it. So I I can describe it this way. When I So I I can describe it this way. When I So I I can describe it this way. When I do a shoulder press with dumbbells, I do a shoulder press with dumbbells, I do a shoulder press with dumbbells, I can keep my my elbows slightly in can keep my my elbows slightly in can keep my my elbows slightly in inwards. So there's no pain at all. But inwards. So there's no pain at all. But inwards. So there's no pain at all. But when I start to go all the way back, when I start to go all the way back, when I start to go all the way back, like a full-blown, like a full-blown, like a full-blown, >> right, >> right, >> right, >> like behind my neck, it starts to just >> like behind my neck, it starts to just >> like behind my neck, it starts to just really feel super tight and really feel super tight and really feel super tight and uncomfortable in my right shoulder. uncomfortable in my right shoulder. uncomfortable in my right shoulder. >> Okay. So you you So um you could >> Okay. So you you So um you could >> Okay. So you you So um you could definitely fix that. There's some definitely fix that. There's some definitely fix that. There's some scapular issues there. A little bit of scapular issues there. A little bit of scapular issues there. A little bit of pec tightness, maybe bicep tendon pec tightness, maybe bicep tendon pec tightness, maybe bicep tendon tightness. I'm going to send you Prime tightness. I'm going to send you Prime tightness. I'm going to send you Prime Pro. And in Prime Pro, uh, start doing Pro. And in Prime Pro, uh, start doing Pro. And in Prime Pro, uh, start doing the mobility movements for shoulder and the mobility movements for shoulder and the mobility movements for shoulder and scapula and practice those daily. scapula and practice those daily. scapula and practice those daily. >> And and get under a bar. >> And and get under a bar. >> And and get under a bar. >> External rotation. >> External rotation. >> External rotation. >> Get under a bar. You don't got to squat, >> Get under a bar. You don't got to squat, >> Get under a bar. You don't got to squat, but get into a bar. Focus on squeezing but get into a bar. Focus on squeezing but get into a bar. Focus on squeezing the shoulder blades down and back. Grab the shoulder blades down and back. Grab the shoulder blades down and back. Grab wider on the bar. That might help. And wider on the bar. That might help. And wider on the bar. That might help. And then just practice holding that position then just practice holding that position then just practice holding that position without pain. But do the mobility without pain. But do the mobility without pain. But do the mobility movements in Prime Pro. That'll take movements in Prime Pro. That'll take movements in Prime Pro. That'll take care of that. care of that. care of that. >> Okay. Sweet. >> Okay. Sweet. >> Okay. Sweet. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> I will, dude. Thank you, guys. All >> I will, dude. Thank you, guys. All >> I will, dude. Thank you, guys. All right, dude. Thanks for calling in. right, dude. Thanks for calling in. right, dude. Thanks for calling in. >> Keep it up, Alex. >> Keep it up, Alex. >> Keep it up, Alex. >> Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate you guys. Thank >> Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate you guys. Thank >> Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate you guys. Thank you. you. you. >> Take it easy. >> Take it easy. >> Take it easy. >> What a success. >> What a success. >> What a success. >> What a great story. What a great story. >> What a great story. What a great story. >> What a great story. What a great story. >> Success. You know, it's funny. If uh if >> Success. You know, it's funny. If uh if >> Success. You know, it's funny. If uh if being ripped was the way to happiness, being ripped was the way to happiness, being ripped was the way to happiness, then the happiness. then the happiness. then the happiness. >> I mean, I'm so glad you went that >> I mean, I'm so glad you went that >> I mean, I'm so glad you went that direction cuz that's where I was heading direction cuz that's where I was heading direction cuz that's where I was heading with him. I wanted him I wanted to hear with him. I wanted him I wanted to hear with him. I wanted him I wanted to hear him him him >> define to me what was good or bad, >> define to me what was good or bad, >> define to me what was good or bad, right? And so I could hear that and cuz right? And so I could hear that and cuz right? And so I could hear that and cuz I could tell he looks great. I could tell he looks great. I could tell he looks great. >> Oh, he lost 20 pounds. All good, right? >> Oh, he lost 20 pounds. All good, right? >> Oh, he lost 20 pounds. All good, right? >> Yeah. he's in and he so he looks very >> Yeah. he's in and he so he looks very >> Yeah. he's in and he so he looks very healthy where he's at. So, and you know healthy where he's at. So, and you know healthy where he's at. So, and you know this is the I think this is the trap this is the I think this is the trap this is the I think this is the trap when you start to see great results is when you start to see great results is when you start to see great results is uh it's similar to the money trap. You uh it's similar to the money trap. You uh it's similar to the money trap. You start making a little more money, more start making a little more money, more start making a little more money, more money, you just keep moving the goalpost money, you just keep moving the goalpost money, you just keep moving the goalpost >> and then it's more and and you continue >> and then it's more and and you continue >> and then it's more and and you continue to sacrifice things for moving that to sacrifice things for moving that to sacrifice things for moving that goalpost. goalpost. goalpost. >> And so, you know, you have to ask >> And so, you know, you have to ask >> And so, you know, you have to ask yourself if this thing that you call a yourself if this thing that you call a yourself if this thing that you call a bad day and you challenged him on it was bad day and you challenged him on it was bad day and you challenged him on it was like, well, what was so bad about Well, like, well, what was so bad about Well, like, well, what was so bad about Well, no, I got great hanging with my wife no, I got great hanging with my wife no, I got great hanging with my wife doing all this stuff. It's like, hey, doing all this stuff. It's like, hey, doing all this stuff. It's like, hey, you want to get down to 8% body fat, you want to get down to 8% body fat, you want to get down to 8% body fat, just do less of those, just do less of those, just do less of those, >> you know, and then then ask yourself, is >> you know, and then then ask yourself, is >> you know, and then then ask yourself, is that worth that? Like, is it are those that worth that? Like, is it are those that worth that? Like, is it are those abs abs abs >> worth less of those days? And if it is, >> worth less of those days? And if it is, >> worth less of those days? And if it is, hey, so be it. Who am I to judge? That's hey, so be it. Who am I to judge? That's hey, so be it. Who am I to judge? That's that's up to each person. But it's like, that's up to each person. But it's like, that's up to each person. But it's like, you're in a really great place. you're in a really great place. you're in a really great place. >> I'm going to say this again. If if >> I'm going to say this again. If if >> I'm going to say this again. If if happiness was defined by being ripped, happiness was defined by being ripped, happiness was defined by being ripped, then the most ripped looking people then the most ripped looking people then the most ripped looking people would be the happiest people. And here's would be the happiest people. And here's would be the happiest people. And here's the truth. They're not. They're far from the truth. They're not. They're far from the truth. They're not. They're far from the happiest people. It is not the path the happiest people. It is not the path the happiest people. It is not the path to happiness, no matter how much they to happiness, no matter how much they to happiness, no matter how much they sell it on social media. But I do I do sell it on social media. But I do I do sell it on social media. But I do I do think and that's why I said it to him think and that's why I said it to him think and that's why I said it to him that there is value. I think every that there is value. I think every that there is value. I think every everybody has to figure out their path. everybody has to figure out their path. everybody has to figure out their path. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh >> well there's nothing like experiencing. >> well there's nothing like experiencing. >> well there's nothing like experiencing. >> Yeah. There's nothing like uh saying I'm >> Yeah. There's nothing like uh saying I'm >> Yeah. There's nothing like uh saying I'm going to do that for and you could like going to do that for and you could like going to do that for and you could like man dedicate three months of your life. man dedicate three months of your life. man dedicate three months of your life. It's not your whole I mean it's a small It's not your whole I mean it's a small It's not your whole I mean it's a small part of your life. Three months and make part of your life. Three months and make part of your life. Three months and make all those sacrifices. Be the person who all those sacrifices. Be the person who all those sacrifices. Be the person who carries their Tupperware around. You carries their Tupperware around. You carries their Tupperware around. You know say don't go out to those dinners. know say don't go out to those dinners. know say don't go out to those dinners. Don't have that drink. Do that thing for Don't have that drink. Do that thing for Don't have that drink. Do that thing for a while. Get those abs and then ask a while. Get those abs and then ask a while. Get those abs and then ask yourself like am I happier? Am I does yourself like am I happier? Am I does yourself like am I happier? Am I does did this make me better? And if it's did this make me better? And if it's did this make me better? And if it's not, if the answer is no, and if it's not, if the answer is no, and if it's not, if the answer is no, and if it's and maybe maybe what you find is there's and maybe maybe what you find is there's and maybe maybe what you find is there's some if there's somewhere in the middle some if there's somewhere in the middle some if there's somewhere in the middle of that where, you know, and I feel like of that where, you know, and I feel like of that where, you know, and I feel like this has kind of been part of my own this has kind of been part of my own this has kind of been part of my own journey of of of figuring out what that journey of of of figuring out what that journey of of of figuring out what that looks like. And it's like, looks like. And it's like, looks like. And it's like, >> you know, I know there's there's a >> you know, I know there's there's a >> you know, I know there's there's a there's a balance like where I I want to there's a balance like where I I want to there's a balance like where I I want to enjoy that that drink. I want to enjoy enjoy that that drink. I want to enjoy enjoy that that drink. I want to enjoy that dinner. I want to enjoy that that dinner. I want to enjoy that that dinner. I want to enjoy that popcorn. But there's also times where popcorn. But there's also times where popcorn. But there's also times where I'm like, I don't need to do that. I'm like, I don't need to do that. I'm like, I don't need to do that. >> Why am I eating candy watching movie? >> Why am I eating candy watching movie? >> Why am I eating candy watching movie? >> Exactly. It's just [laughter] like it's >> Exactly. It's just [laughter] like it's >> Exactly. It's just [laughter] like it's Tuesday. It's Tuesday night. It's not a Tuesday. It's Tuesday night. It's not a Tuesday. It's Tuesday night. It's not a big deal. You know what I'm saying? It's big deal. You know what I'm saying? It's big deal. You know what I'm saying? It's like, but it's like then there's times like, but it's like then there's times like, but it's like then there's times where it's like, "Oh, this is a really where it's like, "Oh, this is a really where it's like, "Oh, this is a really nice night. I've got no kids, me and my nice night. I've got no kids, me and my nice night. I've got no kids, me and my wife." It's like, "Yeah, yeah, I'm going wife." It's like, "Yeah, yeah, I'm going wife." It's like, "Yeah, yeah, I'm going to enjoy that night." Our next caller is to enjoy that night." Our next caller is to enjoy that night." Our next caller is Amber from Texas. Amber from Texas. Amber from Texas. >> Hey, Amber, how you doing? >> Hey, Amber, how you doing? >> Hey, Amber, how you doing? >> Hey guys, >> Hey guys, >> Hey guys, >> how are you? How are you? Just trying to >> how are you? How are you? Just trying to >> how are you? How are you? Just trying to stay cool over here in this heat. stay cool over here in this heat. stay cool over here in this heat. >> How can we help you? >> How can we help you? >> How can we help you? >> So, this is a followup. Um, I called in >> So, this is a followup. Um, I called in >> So, this is a followup. Um, I called in earlier in the year about starting a GLP earlier in the year about starting a GLP earlier in the year about starting a GLP and then S yelled at me and he's like, and then S yelled at me and he's like, and then S yelled at me and he's like, "You shouldn't be on a GLP." [laughter] "You shouldn't be on a GLP." [laughter] "You shouldn't be on a GLP." [laughter] I'm just kidding. He he was very honest I'm just kidding. He he was very honest I'm just kidding. He he was very honest because, you know, I had uh said that I because, you know, I had uh said that I because, you know, I had uh said that I had a history of an eating disorder and had a history of an eating disorder and had a history of an eating disorder and so I shouldn't have been on it. But so I shouldn't have been on it. But so I shouldn't have been on it. But >> I wasn't going to do this followup >> I wasn't going to do this followup >> I wasn't going to do this followup because I probably don't have the answer because I probably don't have the answer because I probably don't have the answer or, you know, the follow-up that maybe or, you know, the follow-up that maybe or, you know, the follow-up that maybe not saying you were hoping for, but I not saying you were hoping for, but I not saying you were hoping for, but I didn't stop the GLP. I did have the didn't stop the GLP. I did have the didn't stop the GLP. I did have the dose, but there was an episode that I dose, but there was an episode that I dose, but there was an episode that I listened to where a mother was listened to where a mother was listened to where a mother was considering putting her teenage son or considering putting her teenage son or considering putting her teenage son or something on one and I was like, you something on one and I was like, you something on one and I was like, you know what, I need to follow up because know what, I need to follow up because know what, I need to follow up because the JLP gave me a whole lot of anxiety. the JLP gave me a whole lot of anxiety. the JLP gave me a whole lot of anxiety. Since I've haved it, my anxiety has gone Since I've haved it, my anxiety has gone Since I've haved it, my anxiety has gone down. I'm not blaming it all on that, down. I'm not blaming it all on that, down. I'm not blaming it all on that, but it was just so bad that I was like, but it was just so bad that I was like, but it was just so bad that I was like, you know what, let me call in. Let me do you know what, let me call in. Let me do you know what, let me call in. Let me do a follow-up and be honest. So, being a follow-up and be honest. So, being a follow-up and be honest. So, being honest, I did not stop the GLP. I'm on a honest, I did not stop the GLP. I'm on a honest, I did not stop the GLP. I'm on a truce appetite compound, but I did have truce appetite compound, but I did have truce appetite compound, but I did have the dose. So, I am able to eat more and the dose. So, I am able to eat more and the dose. So, I am able to eat more and my anxiety did go down once I started my anxiety did go down once I started my anxiety did go down once I started having that dose. And since then, I went having that dose. And since then, I went having that dose. And since then, I went and I've got blood work a couple of and I've got blood work a couple of and I've got blood work a couple of times and my gynecologist gave me a times and my gynecologist gave me a times and my gynecologist gave me a diagnosis of something called diagnosis of something called diagnosis of something called adenomiiosis. I don't know if you guys adenomiiosis. I don't know if you guys adenomiiosis. I don't know if you guys have heard of it. have heard of it. have heard of it. >> Mhm. I'm familiar. >> Mhm. I'm familiar. >> Mhm. I'm familiar. >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, I have that. So, I >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, I have that. So, I >> Yeah. So, yeah. So, I have that. So, I have a hyerectomy that's scheduled for have a hyerectomy that's scheduled for have a hyerectomy that's scheduled for August and I was also low on August and I was also low on August and I was also low on testosterone. So, they were going to put testosterone. So, they were going to put testosterone. So, they were going to put me on pallets, but then I remembered you me on pallets, but then I remembered you me on pallets, but then I remembered you guys talking about Vabella. So, I guys talking about Vabella. So, I guys talking about Vabella. So, I actually just signed up with them. I actually just signed up with them. I actually just signed up with them. I started my testosterone uh shots started my testosterone uh shots started my testosterone uh shots yesterday. And so, with all of those yesterday. And so, with all of those yesterday. And so, with all of those changes, I'm, you know, I'm still on the changes, I'm, you know, I'm still on the changes, I'm, you know, I'm still on the JLP. I'm doing NAD with the shot. I'm JLP. I'm doing NAD with the shot. I'm JLP. I'm doing NAD with the shot. I'm doing the uh testosterone now, the 0.1 doing the uh testosterone now, the 0.1 doing the uh testosterone now, the 0.1 um milliliter, the small dose, and I'm um milliliter, the small dose, and I'm um milliliter, the small dose, and I'm doing the vitamin D3 daily. With my doing the vitamin D3 daily. With my doing the vitamin D3 daily. With my upcoming surgery in August, my hyctomy, upcoming surgery in August, my hyctomy, upcoming surgery in August, my hyctomy, they're going to leave the ovaries in. they're going to leave the ovaries in. they're going to leave the ovaries in. Should I change anything as far as my Should I change anything as far as my Should I change anything as far as my training, my nutrition? Like, what training, my nutrition? Like, what training, my nutrition? Like, what should I do to prepare for this surgery? should I do to prepare for this surgery? should I do to prepare for this surgery? Should I take advantage of the Should I take advantage of the Should I take advantage of the testosterone and try and get as strong testosterone and try and get as strong testosterone and try and get as strong as I can before surgery? What do you as I can before surgery? What do you as I can before surgery? What do you guys suggest? I know it's a lot of guys suggest? I know it's a lot of guys suggest? I know it's a lot of information. information. information. >> Yeah, thanks for thanks for calling in. >> Yeah, thanks for thanks for calling in. >> Yeah, thanks for thanks for calling in. And so, I do want to address first off, And so, I do want to address first off, And so, I do want to address first off, I'm going to be very clear, none of us I'm going to be very clear, none of us I'm going to be very clear, none of us are doctors here. are doctors here. are doctors here. >> So, we're we're personal trainers. Um, >> So, we're we're personal trainers. Um, >> So, we're we're personal trainers. Um, so you're going to be hearing so you're going to be hearing so you're going to be hearing >> Well, you guys have helped me a whole >> Well, you guys have helped me a whole >> Well, you guys have helped me a whole lot more than my doctors have. So, lot more than my doctors have. So, lot more than my doctors have. So, there's going to be some I'm going to there's going to be some I'm going to there's going to be some I'm going to give you some answers based off of my give you some answers based off of my give you some answers based off of my experience with clients and some experience with clients and some experience with clients and some speculation, okay? So, just take it for speculation, okay? So, just take it for speculation, okay? So, just take it for what it's worth. I will say this, uh, what it's worth. I will say this, uh, what it's worth. I will say this, uh, some people do experience anxiety with some people do experience anxiety with some people do experience anxiety with GLPS because they do have an effect on GLPS because they do have an effect on GLPS because they do have an effect on resting uh, heart rate. resting uh, heart rate. resting uh, heart rate. >> They will increase resting heart rate >> They will increase resting heart rate >> They will increase resting heart rate pretty predictably pretty predictably pretty predictably >> and the stronger ones tend to do this >> and the stronger ones tend to do this >> and the stronger ones tend to do this more. Uh, the data on reatride shows more. Uh, the data on reatride shows more. Uh, the data on reatride shows that it raises it more than trespathide that it raises it more than trespathide that it raises it more than trespathide seems to raise it more than simaglutide. seems to raise it more than simaglutide. seems to raise it more than simaglutide. And so for people that are very prone to And so for people that are very prone to And so for people that are very prone to anxiety, that may be a side effect. Now, anxiety, that may be a side effect. Now, anxiety, that may be a side effect. Now, it's not widely observed. Uh a lot of it's not widely observed. Uh a lot of it's not widely observed. Uh a lot of people lose weight, get better with people lose weight, get better with people lose weight, get better with their anxiety, especially people who their anxiety, especially people who their anxiety, especially people who suffer with obesity and stuff like that. suffer with obesity and stuff like that. suffer with obesity and stuff like that. Um the other reason why sometimes people Um the other reason why sometimes people Um the other reason why sometimes people get anxiety on a GLP is their coping get anxiety on a GLP is their coping get anxiety on a GLP is their coping mechanism is food. You take away the mechanism is food. You take away the mechanism is food. You take away the food, I still have the anxiety. What do food, I still have the anxiety. What do food, I still have the anxiety. What do I do now? You know, type of deal. So, I do now? You know, type of deal. So, I do now? You know, type of deal. So, that might be another mechanism. But that might be another mechanism. But that might be another mechanism. But what you're saying isn't uh unheard of. what you're saying isn't uh unheard of. what you're saying isn't uh unheard of. So, I'm glad he kind of lowered the So, I'm glad he kind of lowered the So, I'm glad he kind of lowered the dose. Um, okay. So, uh, adeninoiiosis. dose. Um, okay. So, uh, adeninoiiosis. dose. Um, okay. So, uh, adeninoiiosis. So, this is where the the cells there So, this is where the the cells there So, this is where the the cells there are cells that kind of proliferate and are cells that kind of proliferate and are cells that kind of proliferate and grow. Um, grow. Um, grow. Um, >> yeah, they grow into the uterus. >> yeah, they grow into the uterus. >> yeah, they grow into the uterus. >> Yeah. And so, um, they they're basically >> Yeah. And so, um, they they're basically >> Yeah. And so, um, they they're basically removing this and they stop that from removing this and they stop that from removing this and they stop that from happening. It's a big surgery. It's a happening. It's a big surgery. It's a happening. It's a big surgery. It's a pretty big surgery. Uh when you look at pretty big surgery. Uh when you look at pretty big surgery. Uh when you look at the relationship between testosterone the relationship between testosterone the relationship between testosterone and this condition, there seems to be no and this condition, there seems to be no and this condition, there seems to be no or a positive association, meaning or a positive association, meaning or a positive association, meaning testosterone, raising testosterone may testosterone, raising testosterone may testosterone, raising testosterone may actually help actually help actually help >> because this condition is estrogen uh >> because this condition is estrogen uh >> because this condition is estrogen uh related. Uh I want you to ask your related. Uh I want you to ask your related. Uh I want you to ask your doctor and confirm everything I'm doctor and confirm everything I'm doctor and confirm everything I'm saying, okay? Because I could totally be saying, okay? Because I could totally be saying, okay? Because I could totally be wrong. So you you got to get cleared wrong. So you you got to get cleared wrong. So you you got to get cleared from them first. Uh now from a fitness from them first. Uh now from a fitness from them first. Uh now from a fitness perspective, it's always best to go into perspective, it's always best to go into perspective, it's always best to go into a surgery a surgery a surgery >> strong. >> strong. >> strong. >> Stronger and heavier. >> Stronger and heavier. >> Stronger and heavier. >> Yeah. Stronger, wellfed. >> Yeah. Stronger, wellfed. >> Yeah. Stronger, wellfed. >> Not just more muscle, but more body fat. >> Not just more muscle, but more body fat. >> Not just more muscle, but more body fat. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I don't know what body fat. >> Okay. So, I don't know what body fat. >> Okay. So, I don't know what body fat. You don't like that. You don't like that. You don't like that. >> What body fat are you sitting at right >> What body fat are you sitting at right >> What body fat are you sitting at right now, Amber? now, Amber? now, Amber? >> I don't know. I don't weigh myself. I >> I don't know. I don't weigh myself. I >> I don't know. I don't weigh myself. I don't take my body fat measurements. don't take my body fat measurements. don't take my body fat measurements. When I was signed up with Vita Bell at When I was signed up with Vita Bell at When I was signed up with Vita Bell at the doctor, I said, "Do not tell me my the doctor, I said, "Do not tell me my the doctor, I said, "Do not tell me my weight because it's still pretty weight because it's still pretty weight because it's still pretty triggering for me, but I know I've lost triggering for me, but I know I've lost triggering for me, but I know I've lost at least 20 pounds, maybe. That Yeah, at least 20 pounds, maybe. That Yeah, at least 20 pounds, maybe. That Yeah, >> you're you're pretty lean. You're better >> you're you're pretty lean. You're better >> you're you're pretty lean. You're better off going into a surgery with more off going into a surgery with more off going into a surgery with more muscle and fat. muscle and fat. muscle and fat. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Not just muscle. >> Not just muscle. >> Not just muscle. >> Uh that's going to be protective through >> Uh that's going to be protective through >> Uh that's going to be protective through the recovery process. So, people who go the recovery process. So, people who go the recovery process. So, people who go into surgery who are weak uh and or low into surgery who are weak uh and or low into surgery who are weak uh and or low mus uh low body fat do very poorly. mus uh low body fat do very poorly. mus uh low body fat do very poorly. People who go in with a lot of muscle People who go in with a lot of muscle People who go in with a lot of muscle with low body fat don't do as don't do with low body fat don't do as don't do with low body fat don't do as don't do super great. They do better, but they super great. They do better, but they super great. They do better, but they don't do super great either because they don't do super great either because they don't do super great either because they don't have stored energy, which is body don't have stored energy, which is body don't have stored energy, which is body fat. So, if you really want to do well, fat. So, if you really want to do well, fat. So, if you really want to do well, uh I would go on a bulk. Now, that uh I would go on a bulk. Now, that uh I would go on a bulk. Now, that doesn't mean eat a bunch of garbage uh doesn't mean eat a bunch of garbage uh doesn't mean eat a bunch of garbage uh because there also may be an association because there also may be an association because there also may be an association between insulin resistance uh and your between insulin resistance uh and your between insulin resistance uh and your condition. So, I don't think you should condition. So, I don't think you should condition. So, I don't think you should eat a bunch of garbage, but it probably eat a bunch of garbage, but it probably eat a bunch of garbage, but it probably is a good idea to gain weight going into is a good idea to gain weight going into is a good idea to gain weight going into the surgery. It'll make your recovery the surgery. It'll make your recovery the surgery. It'll make your recovery better. better. better. >> Okay, that makes sense. It's scary, but >> Okay, that makes sense. It's scary, but >> Okay, that makes sense. It's scary, but um I will try to eat more. um I will try to eat more. um I will try to eat more. >> Yeah, [laughter] >> Yeah, [laughter] >> Yeah, [laughter] >> because you're going to need some some >> because you're going to need some some >> because you're going to need some some weight to lose. weight to lose. weight to lose. >> You know, when you get a hyctomy, you're >> You know, when you get a hyctomy, you're >> You know, when you get a hyctomy, you're going to be recovering. going to be recovering. going to be recovering. >> You're not going to be able to do much. >> You're not going to be able to do much. >> You're not going to be able to do much. >> You need weight on you >> You need weight on you >> You need weight on you >> for your body to use as energy. Your >> for your body to use as energy. Your >> for your body to use as energy. Your appetite's going to be low and you're appetite's going to be low and you're appetite's going to be low and you're not going to be moving much. So, you not going to be moving much. So, you not going to be moving much. So, you need to go in with some stored energy. need to go in with some stored energy. need to go in with some stored energy. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? Does that make sense? >> That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot >> That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot >> That makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So bulk and maybe just I I'm of sense. So bulk and maybe just I I'm of sense. So bulk and maybe just I I'm doing like a full body routine about doing like a full body routine about doing like a full body routine about three times a week. So and I didn't want three times a week. So and I didn't want three times a week. So and I didn't want to change it when I started the test to change it when I started the test to change it when I started the test just to see just to see just to see >> if I get stronger with you know if the >> if I get stronger with you know if the >> if I get stronger with you know if the just uh adding the testosterone low make just uh adding the testosterone low make just uh adding the testosterone low make me stronger cuz I did get weaker with me stronger cuz I did get weaker with me stronger cuz I did get weaker with the GLP. My strength did go down. So I the GLP. My strength did go down. So I the GLP. My strength did go down. So I guess um just staying on that same guess um just staying on that same guess um just staying on that same training up until the surgery. training up until the surgery. training up until the surgery. >> Yep. Yep. But definitely increase your >> Yep. Yep. But definitely increase your >> Yep. Yep. But definitely increase your calories, keep lifting weights. Uh calories, keep lifting weights. Uh calories, keep lifting weights. Uh testosterone should be totally fine. testosterone should be totally fine. testosterone should be totally fine. clear it with your medical professional, clear it with your medical professional, clear it with your medical professional, with your doctor that is doing the with your doctor that is doing the with your doctor that is doing the procedure. Let them know, hey, I'm on procedure. Let them know, hey, I'm on procedure. Let them know, hey, I'm on testosterone replacement therapy. Uh are testosterone replacement therapy. Uh are testosterone replacement therapy. Uh are there any contraindications? Do I need there any contraindications? Do I need there any contraindications? Do I need to go off? Uh is it going to affect to go off? Uh is it going to affect to go off? Uh is it going to affect anything for the surgery? Do I need to anything for the surgery? Do I need to anything for the surgery? Do I need to do anything else? And then just see what do anything else? And then just see what do anything else? And then just see what they recommend and go with what they they recommend and go with what they they recommend and go with what they say. But for my from my understanding as say. But for my from my understanding as say. But for my from my understanding as a trainer and I'm talking to you, uh so a trainer and I'm talking to you, uh so a trainer and I'm talking to you, uh so this would be different advice for this would be different advice for this would be different advice for everybody else. go gain some weight and everybody else. go gain some weight and everybody else. go gain some weight and then go into the surgery. That's that'll then go into the surgery. That's that'll then go into the surgery. That's that'll be your best bet for recovering from the be your best bet for recovering from the be your best bet for recovering from the surgery surgery surgery >> and bouncing back. >> and bouncing back. >> and bouncing back. >> Do you see that as possible being on the >> Do you see that as possible being on the >> Do you see that as possible being on the GLP1? Can you eat more GLP1? Can you eat more GLP1? Can you eat more >> being on the GLP? >> being on the GLP? >> being on the GLP? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Probably not. Okay. I'd probably have to >> Probably not. Okay. I'd probably have to >> Probably not. Okay. I'd probably have to get off of it or Yeah, probably have to get off of it or Yeah, probably have to get off of it or Yeah, probably have to get off of it. That's why I asked cuz I get off of it. That's why I asked cuz I get off of it. That's why I asked cuz I would consider that would consider that would consider that >> if you're already uh you already feel >> if you're already uh you already feel >> if you're already uh you already feel like it's worked to eat what you eat now like it's worked to eat what you eat now like it's worked to eat what you eat now and this is where we're at. and this is where we're at. and this is where we're at. >> Uh probably consider even lowering the >> Uh probably consider even lowering the >> Uh probably consider even lowering the dose more or eliminating it for this dose more or eliminating it for this dose more or eliminating it for this period of time. You can always go back period of time. You can always go back period of time. You can always go back in afterwards. Uh but if you're already in afterwards. Uh but if you're already in afterwards. Uh but if you're already >> struggling to eat what you eat now and >> struggling to eat what you eat now and >> struggling to eat what you eat now and we're asking you to eat more we're asking you to eat more we're asking you to eat more >> uh during this period of time, that's >> uh during this period of time, that's >> uh during this period of time, that's probably going to be tough. probably going to be tough. probably going to be tough. >> Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to be >> Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to be >> Yeah. Yeah, you don't want to be catabolic going into a catabolic state. catabolic going into a catabolic state. catabolic going into a catabolic state. >> Okay. Surgery, that makes sense. Yeah. >> Okay. Surgery, that makes sense. Yeah. >> Okay. Surgery, that makes sense. Yeah. Surgery and recovery is like really Surgery and recovery is like really Surgery and recovery is like really catabolic. So, you want to go into a catabolic. So, you want to go into a catabolic. So, you want to go into a kind of anabolic. kind of anabolic. kind of anabolic. >> Uh, so what's your body weight at now, >> Uh, so what's your body weight at now, >> Uh, so what's your body weight at now, Amber? Do you have an idea? She has no Amber? Do you have an idea? She has no Amber? Do you have an idea? She has no idea. You have no idea. idea. You have no idea. idea. You have no idea. >> Uh, I'm going to guess about 120. I >> Uh, I'm going to guess about 120. I >> Uh, I'm going to guess about 120. I don't know. I mean, people ask me like don't know. I mean, people ask me like don't know. I mean, people ask me like it's to the point where people are it's to the point where people are it's to the point where people are asking me like, "Are you okay?" asking me like, "Are you okay?" asking me like, "Are you okay?" >> Like, do you have some kind Yeah. >> Like, do you have some kind Yeah. >> Like, do you have some kind Yeah. >> number? [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> number? [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> number? [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When's your surgery? When's your surgery? When's your surgery? >> Uh, August 13th. >> Uh, August 13th. >> Uh, August 13th. >> Okay. Can you think you can gain 10 >> Okay. Can you think you can gain 10 >> Okay. Can you think you can gain 10 pounds by then? pounds by then? pounds by then? >> I can. Whether or not I mean I'm I'd >> I can. Whether or not I mean I'm I'd >> I can. Whether or not I mean I'm I'd have to probably talk with the therapist have to probably talk with the therapist have to probably talk with the therapist while I go through it to do that or just while I go through it to do that or just while I go through it to do that or just you know you know you know >> just I guess my thing would be thinking >> just I guess my thing would be thinking >> just I guess my thing would be thinking about the end goal. You know what would about the end goal. You know what would about the end goal. You know what would my future me thank me for and and just my future me thank me for and and just my future me thank me for and and just being able to come back faster for work, being able to come back faster for work, being able to come back faster for work, for my kids, for for my kids, for for my kids, for >> exactly >> exactly >> exactly >> for life and Yeah. Yeah. It it take a >> for life and Yeah. Yeah. It it take a >> for life and Yeah. Yeah. It it take a lot of mental I can physically lot of mental I can physically lot of mental I can physically >> are you going to are you going to listen >> are you going to are you going to listen >> are you going to are you going to listen to us this time? Feel like you didn't to us this time? Feel like you didn't to us this time? Feel like you didn't listen to us last time. [laughter] listen to us last time. [laughter] listen to us last time. [laughter] >> I kind of did. I halfway did. >> I kind of did. I halfway did. >> I kind of did. I halfway did. >> I mean, kind of. So, >> I mean, kind of. So, >> I mean, kind of. So, >> tiptoe. I mean, I'm afraid the same >> tiptoe. I mean, I'm afraid the same >> tiptoe. I mean, I'm afraid the same thing's gonna happen here. I feel like thing's gonna happen here. I feel like thing's gonna happen here. I feel like you're nodding your head. I feel like you're nodding your head. I feel like you're nodding your head. I feel like you were nodding your head last time and you were nodding your head last time and you were nodding your head last time and then you got off and you still Yeah, you then you got off and you still Yeah, you then you got off and you still Yeah, you were. were. were. >> So, I feel like we're we're having a >> So, I feel like we're we're having a >> So, I feel like we're we're having a very similar conversation here where the very similar conversation here where the very similar conversation here where the answer is answer is answer is >> you don't want to be really frail after >> you don't want to be really frail after >> you don't want to be really frail after your surgery. That's what that'll your surgery. That's what that'll your surgery. That's what that'll happen. You might come out of it really happen. You might come out of it really happen. You might come out of it really frail. frail. frail. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I Yeah. I I don't know if I can gain the >> I Yeah. I I don't know if I can gain the >> I Yeah. I I don't know if I can gain the full 10, but I can promise you that I full 10, but I can promise you that I full 10, but I can promise you that I will either decrease or get off the GLP. will either decrease or get off the GLP. will either decrease or get off the GLP. And I'm promising myself this. That way And I'm promising myself this. That way And I'm promising myself this. That way again after I have the hyctomy, I can again after I have the hyctomy, I can again after I have the hyctomy, I can come back faster cuz I'm a workaholic. I come back faster cuz I'm a workaholic. I come back faster cuz I'm a workaholic. I need to get back to work like the day need to get back to work like the day need to get back to work like the day after surgery. after surgery. after surgery. >> I think 10 is minimum. >> I think 10 is minimum. >> I think 10 is minimum. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think that's a very conservative. >> I think that's a very conservative. >> I think that's a very conservative. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> So, I just want to stress that because >> So, I just want to stress that because >> So, I just want to stress that because if you uh if you half ass listen to us, if you uh if you half ass listen to us, if you uh if you half ass listen to us, I'd rather tell you 20 pounds and then I'd rather tell you 20 pounds and then I'd rather tell you 20 pounds and then you half ass and give me 10 [laughter] you half ass and give me 10 [laughter] you half ass and give me 10 [laughter] cuz 10. cuz 10. cuz 10. >> Yeah. I think you should shoot for 20. >> Yeah. I think you should shoot for 20. >> Yeah. I think you should shoot for 20. We got August. So, where are we in right We got August. So, where are we in right We got August. So, where are we in right now? June. now? June. now? June. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Hey, let's let's do this. Uh Amber, >> Hey, let's let's do this. Uh Amber, >> Hey, let's let's do this. Uh Amber, here's what I'm going to do. Okay. I'm here's what I'm going to do. Okay. I'm here's what I'm going to do. Okay. I'm going to have you on in 30 days. So, going to have you on in 30 days. So, going to have you on in 30 days. So, that'll give us some time before your that'll give us some time before your that'll give us some time before your surgery. And so, we'll do another surgery. And so, we'll do another surgery. And so, we'll do another update. And if you don't do what we tell update. And if you don't do what we tell update. And if you don't do what we tell you, you, you, >> okay, I'm going to chastise you on air >> okay, I'm going to chastise you on air >> okay, I'm going to chastise you on air for everybody. for everybody. for everybody. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Yes. >> All right. Yes. >> All right. We'll see you in 30 days. >> All right. We'll see you in 30 days. >> All right. We'll see you in 30 days. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> All right, guys. Thank you. I remember >> All right, guys. Thank you. I remember >> All right, guys. Thank you. I remember her. her. her. >> Bye-bye, >> Bye-bye, >> Bye-bye, >> bro. Yeah. No, she didn't listen to us >> bro. Yeah. No, she didn't listen to us >> bro. Yeah. No, she didn't listen to us the first time. the first time. the first time. >> No, >> No, >> No, >> no, >> no, >> no, >> she don't she lowered the dose, she >> she don't she lowered the dose, she >> she don't she lowered the dose, she said. said. said. >> Yeah, but she to a a area where she >> Yeah, but she to a a area where she >> Yeah, but she to a a area where she still is not eating. still is not eating. still is not eating. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> You know, >> You know, >> You know, >> you listen uh being really obese going >> you listen uh being really obese going >> you listen uh being really obese going to surgery, bad outcomes. Being frail to surgery, bad outcomes. Being frail to surgery, bad outcomes. Being frail going to surgery, going to surgery, going to surgery, >> worse out. >> worse out. >> worse out. >> I I remember this conversation now to >> I I remember this conversation now to >> I I remember this conversation now to me. I mean, I obviously remember Amber me. I mean, I obviously remember Amber me. I mean, I obviously remember Amber because we've met her before. Um but I because we've met her before. Um but I because we've met her before. Um but I couldn't remember the exact conversation couldn't remember the exact conversation couldn't remember the exact conversation we had. Now, it's coming back to me we had. Now, it's coming back to me we had. Now, it's coming back to me right now. right now. right now. Um, we were very adamant about her being Um, we were very adamant about her being Um, we were very adamant about her being off of jail. off of jail. off of jail. >> I know there's no reason for >> I know there's no reason for >> I know there's no reason for >> she has she has a she has prior eating >> she has she has a she has prior eating >> she has she has a she has prior eating disorder. I know. disorder. I know. disorder. I know. >> And so somebody who had So for the >> And so somebody who had So for the >> And so somebody who had So for the listener, do not listener, do not listener, do not >> if you had an eating disorder, >> if you had an eating disorder, >> if you had an eating disorder, >> if you have an eating disorder in the >> if you have an eating disorder in the >> if you have an eating disorder in the past, a GLP-1 is a horrible idea. It's past, a GLP-1 is a horrible idea. It's past, a GLP-1 is a horrible idea. It's heroin. Horrible. Yes. heroin. Horrible. Yes. heroin. Horrible. Yes. >> Horrible idea. Any dose of it, horrible >> Horrible idea. Any dose of it, horrible >> Horrible idea. Any dose of it, horrible idea. Mh. idea. Mh. idea. Mh. >> It is dabbling in something that you >> It is dabbling in something that you >> It is dabbling in something that you already I mean it's like you said already I mean it's like you said already I mean it's like you said >> the sense of control that people get >> the sense of control that people get >> the sense of control that people get from restricting restricting themselves from restricting restricting themselves from restricting restricting themselves when they have an eating disorder is a when they have an eating disorder is a when they have an eating disorder is a big reason why they have big reason why they have big reason why they have >> the eating disorder. Now you have a tool >> the eating disorder. Now you have a tool >> the eating disorder. Now you have a tool that helps that gives you more power to that helps that gives you more power to that helps that gives you more power to restrict. restrict. restrict. >> It's heroin for the person with the >> It's heroin for the person with the >> It's heroin for the person with the eating disorder. eating disorder. eating disorder. >> And no dose of it is a good idea. It's >> And no dose of it is a good idea. It's >> And no dose of it is a good idea. It's not a good idea. And so not a good idea. And so not a good idea. And so >> um and now I remember this conversation >> um and now I remember this conversation >> um and now I remember this conversation and and look it we got off the call and and and look it we got off the call and and and look it we got off the call and she quote unquote half listened to us she quote unquote half listened to us she quote unquote half listened to us and still is not a good place. and still is not a good place. and still is not a good place. >> I want to know what she said in Spanish. >> I want to know what she said in Spanish. >> I want to know what she said in Spanish. She [laughter] said She [laughter] said She [laughter] said >> I know >> I know >> I know she probably said something she probably said something she probably said something >> sounded sexy. >> sounded sexy. >> sounded sexy. >> I'm not doing anything you're telling me >> I'm not doing anything you're telling me >> I'm not doing anything you're telling me more. [laughter] >> I'm sure somebody one of the audience. >> I'm sure somebody one of the audience. [laughter] >> Our next caller is Kennedy from >> Our next caller is Kennedy from Missouri. Missouri. Missouri. >> What's up Kennedy? What's happening? >> What's up Kennedy? What's happening? >> What's up Kennedy? What's happening? >> Good. How are you all? >> Good. How are you all? >> Good. How are you all? >> Good. Good. How can we help you, dude? >> Good. Good. How can we help you, dude? >> Good. Good. How can we help you, dude? >> Um, so a little background. I started >> Um, so a little background. I started >> Um, so a little background. I started working out when I was about 17 and working out when I was about 17 and working out when I was about 17 and started listening to y'all around the started listening to y'all around the started listening to y'all around the same time. So about 2017. same time. So about 2017. same time. So about 2017. Um, and then in 2019, Um, and then in 2019, Um, and then in 2019, I had a bad work accident and had glass I had a bad work accident and had glass I had a bad work accident and had glass fall on me at work and cut my leg open. fall on me at work and cut my leg open. fall on me at work and cut my leg open. So, I was out for about 6 months and I So, I was out for about 6 months and I So, I was out for about 6 months and I lost probably 30 40 lbs. And so, when it lost probably 30 40 lbs. And so, when it lost probably 30 40 lbs. And so, when it came to putting that weight back on, I I came to putting that weight back on, I I came to putting that weight back on, I I didn't do it correctly. I know that. Um, didn't do it correctly. I know that. Um, didn't do it correctly. I know that. Um, it was just eat trying to get as much my it was just eat trying to get as much my it was just eat trying to get as much my weight back as possible. weight back as possible. weight back as possible. Um, and then just like seeing myself, I Um, and then just like seeing myself, I Um, and then just like seeing myself, I kind of like fell out of love with it. kind of like fell out of love with it. kind of like fell out of love with it. Um, Um, Um, and now the beginning of this year, I and now the beginning of this year, I and now the beginning of this year, I kind of started kind of started kind of started uh like really getting back into it. uh like really getting back into it. uh like really getting back into it. Like I worked out the whole time, but Like I worked out the whole time, but Like I worked out the whole time, but just never like continue to track my just never like continue to track my just never like continue to track my calories or anything else. So, at the calories or anything else. So, at the calories or anything else. So, at the beginning of the year, I was at 196 and beginning of the year, I was at 196 and beginning of the year, I was at 196 and um just not the way I wanted to be. And um just not the way I wanted to be. And um just not the way I wanted to be. And so so so I have been cutting for just to get back I have been cutting for just to get back I have been cutting for just to get back to where I want to look like and then I to where I want to look like and then I to where I want to look like and then I was going to try and put some mass on um was going to try and put some mass on um was going to try and put some mass on um after that. So since January I've lost after that. So since January I've lost after that. So since January I've lost about 20 lbs. Um my strength stayed about 20 lbs. Um my strength stayed about 20 lbs. Um my strength stayed about the same so I haven't I don't feel about the same so I haven't I don't feel about the same so I haven't I don't feel like I've really messed that up any. Um like I've really messed that up any. Um like I've really messed that up any. Um but I just want to know what do you guys but I just want to know what do you guys but I just want to know what do you guys think? I know you guys talk about um think? I know you guys talk about um think? I know you guys talk about um like increasing calories and adding mass like increasing calories and adding mass like increasing calories and adding mass and it helps you lean out differently and it helps you lean out differently and it helps you lean out differently than So I was just wondering your guys's than So I was just wondering your guys's than So I was just wondering your guys's opinion on that and how that would go. opinion on that and how that would go. opinion on that and how that would go. >> Yeah. I'm curious to the uh the the look >> Yeah. I'm curious to the uh the the look >> Yeah. I'm curious to the uh the the look that you're trying because it says your that you're trying because it says your that you're trying because it says your goal is to lean out down to 165. You're goal is to lean out down to 165. You're goal is to lean out down to 165. You're a six foot tall dude. a six foot tall dude. a six foot tall dude. >> Yeah. I was just gonna wanted to get >> Yeah. I was just gonna wanted to get >> Yeah. I was just gonna wanted to get like I'm 180ish right now. 78 I think is like I'm 180ish right now. 78 I think is like I'm 180ish right now. 78 I think is the last time I weighed in, the last time I weighed in, the last time I weighed in, >> which is a good weight for you. >> which is a good weight for you. >> which is a good weight for you. >> Um, and I'm about 20% body fatish. >> Um, and I'm about 20% body fatish. >> Um, and I'm about 20% body fatish. I had a scan last week. So, I had a scan last week. So, I had a scan last week. So, >> okay, >> okay, >> okay, >> let's back up for a second. Kenny, first >> let's back up for a second. Kenny, first >> let's back up for a second. Kenny, first off, you've been listening to us since off, you've been listening to us since off, you've been listening to us since you were 17, so I appreciate that, man. you were 17, so I appreciate that, man. you were 17, so I appreciate that, man. That's really cool. That's really cool. That's really cool. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What happened with the the accident uh >> What happened with the the accident uh >> What happened with the the accident uh where you cut up your leg? Any nerve where you cut up your leg? Any nerve where you cut up your leg? Any nerve damage? Yeah, my whole So, I worked at a damage? Yeah, my whole So, I worked at a damage? Yeah, my whole So, I worked at a local glass company for a family friend local glass company for a family friend local glass company for a family friend and and and um one day I was moving a few mirrors um one day I was moving a few mirrors um one day I was moving a few mirrors for him and uh they ended up slipping for him and uh they ended up slipping for him and uh they ended up slipping and falling on my leg and so they and falling on my leg and so they and falling on my leg and so they shattered and cut basically from I'd say shattered and cut basically from I'd say shattered and cut basically from I'd say like 4 in below my knee to like 4 in below my knee to like 4 in below my knee to it's like it's like a horseshoe down my it's like it's like a horseshoe down my it's like it's like a horseshoe down my leg that just like flayed off basically. leg that just like flayed off basically. leg that just like flayed off basically. >> But yeah, so it cut basically to the >> But yeah, so it cut basically to the >> But yeah, so it cut basically to the bone. Um bone. Um bone. Um >> so yeah, my whole right side leg is from >> so yeah, my whole right side leg is from >> so yeah, my whole right side leg is from there from where the cut started to down there from where the cut started to down there from where the cut started to down it is pretty much numb, but I have full it is pretty much numb, but I have full it is pretty much numb, but I have full function of it. It's just that outer function of it. It's just that outer function of it. It's just that outer portion is pretty to numb to the touch. portion is pretty to numb to the touch. portion is pretty to numb to the touch. >> Wait, okay. So it's full function. So >> Wait, okay. So it's full function. So >> Wait, okay. So it's full function. So you don't have a Okay, well that's good. you don't have a Okay, well that's good. you don't have a Okay, well that's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay, that's your muscles. >> Okay, that's your muscles. >> Okay, that's your muscles. too. too. too. >> Okay. So, you can squat bilaterally. >> Okay. So, you can squat bilaterally. >> Okay. So, you can squat bilaterally. There's no like big difference between There's no like big difference between There's no like big difference between right to left. Balance is good. Okay. right to left. Balance is good. Okay. right to left. Balance is good. Okay. Oh, good. Oh, good. Oh, good. >> Okay, dude. All right. Sounds like it >> Okay, dude. All right. Sounds like it >> Okay, dude. All right. Sounds like it was very traumatic, though. was very traumatic, though. was very traumatic, though. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It was rough. >> Yeah. It was rough. >> Yeah. It was rough. >> All right. Do you still think you're >> All right. Do you still think you're >> All right. Do you still think you're dealing with that a little bit? dealing with that a little bit? dealing with that a little bit? >> Um I think there's certain things like I >> Um I think there's certain things like I >> Um I think there's certain things like I can't do or can't do or can't do or it feels weird, I guess. Maybe not can't it feels weird, I guess. Maybe not can't it feels weird, I guess. Maybe not can't do. I can do everything. But like I know do. I can do everything. But like I know do. I can do everything. But like I know like lunging with that leg back is if like lunging with that leg back is if like lunging with that leg back is if it's really tight like my Achilles got it's really tight like my Achilles got it's really tight like my Achilles got shortened or something and it's really shortened or something and it's really shortened or something and it's really tight on the back end but tight on the back end but tight on the back end but >> I can do it. It just feels awkward. >> I can do it. It just feels awkward. >> I can do it. It just feels awkward. >> What about psychologically? What did >> What about psychologically? What did >> What about psychologically? What did that do for your for like body image and that do for your for like body image and that do for your for like body image and stuff? Cuz it sounds like you were like stuff? Cuz it sounds like you were like stuff? Cuz it sounds like you were like you were working out had a good you know you were working out had a good you know you were working out had a good you know relationship with it that I'm just re relationship with it that I'm just re relationship with it that I'm just re you know kind of paraphrasing you know kind of paraphrasing you know kind of paraphrasing >> right? that happened and then you're >> right? that happened and then you're >> right? that happened and then you're like, I gotta gain the I lost all this like, I gotta gain the I lost all this like, I gotta gain the I lost all this weight because for six months you're weight because for six months you're weight because for six months you're healing and I gotta gain weight and you healing and I gotta gain weight and you healing and I gotta gain weight and you said you did it the wrong way and now uh said you did it the wrong way and now uh said you did it the wrong way and now uh you're kind of, you know, you're you're you're kind of, you know, you're you're you're kind of, you know, you're you're trying to eat real little. I could see trying to eat real little. I could see trying to eat real little. I could see what calories you're eating right now. what calories you're eating right now. what calories you're eating right now. Do you think that there may have been a Do you think that there may have been a Do you think that there may have been a psychological impact from all that in psychological impact from all that in psychological impact from all that in all honesty? all honesty? all honesty? >> Um yeah, I think for a long time there >> Um yeah, I think for a long time there >> Um yeah, I think for a long time there was. Um it felt like I wore pants for was. Um it felt like I wore pants for was. Um it felt like I wore pants for years after it. Didn't want to wear years after it. Didn't want to wear years after it. Didn't want to wear shorts. shorts. shorts. Um, they had like two drains in it. So, Um, they had like two drains in it. So, Um, they had like two drains in it. So, there's like these two like little scar there's like these two like little scar there's like these two like little scar holes that where the drains came out. holes that where the drains came out. holes that where the drains came out. They're still there. Um, and being big They're still there. Um, and being big They're still there. Um, and being big athlete, like not being able to play the athlete, like not being able to play the athlete, like not being able to play the sports I used to play, that bothered me sports I used to play, that bothered me sports I used to play, that bothered me for a long, long time. Um, for a long, long time. Um, for a long, long time. Um, but other than that, I wouldn't say it but other than that, I wouldn't say it but other than that, I wouldn't say it was like a huge was like a huge was like a huge psychological thing. I mean, yeah, psychological thing. I mean, yeah, psychological thing. I mean, yeah, definitely. I had definitely. I had definitely. I had the sound of glass still bothers me if the sound of glass still bothers me if the sound of glass still bothers me if it it it >> something drops and >> something drops and >> something drops and >> that still [clears throat] freaks me >> that still [clears throat] freaks me >> that still [clears throat] freaks me out. But out. But out. But >> um >> um >> um I think it's been long enough now that I think it's been long enough now that I think it's been long enough now that I've like really I've like really I've like really prayed about it and talked to family prayed about it and talked to family prayed about it and talked to family members and doctors and stuff like that members and doctors and stuff like that members and doctors and stuff like that about it and it's has helped. So about it and it's has helped. So about it and it's has helped. So >> good man. >> good man. >> good man. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh spoken like a good man. You're a >> Uh spoken like a good man. You're a >> Uh spoken like a good man. You're a tough dude cuz that that's rough. Mhm. tough dude cuz that that's rough. Mhm. tough dude cuz that that's rough. Mhm. >> So, I think you're still dealing with >> So, I think you're still dealing with >> So, I think you're still dealing with some of it and I can see it in your some of it and I can see it in your some of it and I can see it in your diet. diet. diet. >> Uh, you know, it says here you're eating >> Uh, you know, it says here you're eating >> Uh, you know, it says here you're eating 15-,900 calories a day, 15-,900 calories a day, 15-,900 calories a day, >> which is really low. >> which is really low. >> which is really low. >> After I emailed you guys, it was I >> After I emailed you guys, it was I >> After I emailed you guys, it was I emailed you all after I listened to a emailed you all after I listened to a emailed you all after I listened to a podcast and I think Adam was talking podcast and I think Adam was talking podcast and I think Adam was talking about his wife and a reverse diet and about his wife and a reverse diet and about his wife and a reverse diet and had her somewhere and I was like, "Okay, had her somewhere and I was like, "Okay, had her somewhere and I was like, "Okay, if she's eating that many calories, like if she's eating that many calories, like if she's eating that many calories, like I way too far under." I way too far under." I way too far under." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And so [clears throat] I'm at like >> Yeah. And so [clears throat] I'm at like >> Yeah. And so [clears throat] I'm at like 2100 2100 2100 now. Uh but I'm at like 185 grams of now. Uh but I'm at like 185 grams of now. Uh but I'm at like 185 grams of protein a day. protein a day. protein a day. >> Too low. >> Too low. >> Too low. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Too low, brother. And you're lifting six >> Too low, brother. And you're lifting six >> Too low, brother. And you're lifting six days a week. days a week. days a week. >> Six days a week. Yeah. Yeah. >> Six days a week. Yeah. Yeah. >> Six days a week. Yeah. Yeah. >> And you have a physical job? [snorts] >> And you have a physical job? [snorts] >> And you have a physical job? [snorts] >> No, I'm office job. >> No, I'm office job. >> No, I'm office job. >> Okay. So, um so here's what I want you >> Okay. So, um so here's what I want you >> Okay. So, um so here's what I want you to do. Uh and you tell me if this is to do. Uh and you tell me if this is to do. Uh and you tell me if this is realistic for you. Okay. realistic for you. Okay. realistic for you. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh I don't want you to track. >> Uh I don't want you to track. >> Uh I don't want you to track. All I want you to track is your protein All I want you to track is your protein All I want you to track is your protein >> and I want you to eat when you're >> and I want you to eat when you're >> and I want you to eat when you're hungry. hungry. hungry. >> And I mean eat until you're satisfied. >> And I mean eat until you're satisfied. >> And I mean eat until you're satisfied. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna let >> We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna let >> We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna let your calories go up, brother. Now, if your calories go up, brother. Now, if your calories go up, brother. Now, if you were to track, I'd have you you were to track, I'd have you you were to track, I'd have you immediately go up to 2,600 calories immediately go up to 2,600 calories immediately go up to 2,600 calories >> immediately. And then after that, I'd >> immediately. And then after that, I'd >> immediately. And then after that, I'd have you go up even higher. have you go up even higher. have you go up even higher. >> But I think the tracking may be part of >> But I think the tracking may be part of >> But I think the tracking may be part of the problem. And so, whole natural the problem. And so, whole natural the problem. And so, whole natural foods, hit your protein. Don't do the foods, hit your protein. Don't do the foods, hit your protein. Don't do the thing where you eat the lean protein. thing where you eat the lean protein. thing where you eat the lean protein. Eat the fatty cuts. When you're hungry, Eat the fatty cuts. When you're hungry, Eat the fatty cuts. When you're hungry, eat. Eat until you're satisfied. Six eat. Eat until you're satisfied. Six eat. Eat until you're satisfied. Six days a week of strength training is too days a week of strength training is too days a week of strength training is too much. much. much. >> Uh I think uh we could put you I have >> Uh I think uh we could put you I have >> Uh I think uh we could put you I have two programs in mind that I think might two programs in mind that I think might two programs in mind that I think might be good for you. You tell me what sounds be good for you. You tell me what sounds be good for you. You tell me what sounds better. We could do something a little better. We could do something a little better. We could do something a little bit of bodybuilding focus or you used to bit of bodybuilding focus or you used to bit of bodybuilding focus or you used to be an athlete. Would you like to get be an athlete. Would you like to get be an athlete. Would you like to get some of that athleticism back? Because I some of that athleticism back? Because I some of that athleticism back? Because I have another program I can put you on. have another program I can put you on. have another program I can put you on. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Yeah, I would. That's my main goal is I >> Yeah, I would. That's my main goal is I >> Yeah, I would. That's my main goal is I want to be athletic and when the time want to be athletic and when the time want to be athletic and when the time comes and I have kids like I don't want comes and I have kids like I don't want comes and I have kids like I don't want this leg problem to be a problem. this leg problem to be a problem. this leg problem to be a problem. >> Oh yeah. No, >> Oh yeah. No, >> Oh yeah. No, >> I'm sending you maps performance >> I'm sending you maps performance >> I'm sending you maps performance >> and I want you just to hit your protein >> and I want you just to hit your protein >> and I want you just to hit your protein and eat when you're hungry, bro. and eat when you're hungry, bro. and eat when you're hungry, bro. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And stop weighing yourself. >> And stop weighing yourself. >> And stop weighing yourself. >> You're I and I want to address how I >> You're I and I want to address how I >> You're I and I want to address how I started the conversation with you where started the conversation with you where started the conversation with you where you're at. Uh cuz follow the advice you're at. Uh cuz follow the advice you're at. Uh cuz follow the advice exactly where it's laid at 20% and 180 exactly where it's laid at 20% and 180 exactly where it's laid at 20% and 180 lbs. You don't need to go anywhere on lbs. You don't need to go anywhere on lbs. You don't need to go anywhere on the scale. Like we can you could be 10% the scale. Like we can you could be 10% the scale. Like we can you could be 10% body fat and 180 180 pound like this body fat and 180 180 pound like this body fat and 180 180 pound like this this. So what I'm trying to say is that this. So what I'm trying to say is that this. So what I'm trying to say is that a good goal is not to move on the scale a good goal is not to move on the scale a good goal is not to move on the scale at all especially down. at all especially down. at all especially down. >> Uh you're at 6 foot tall you could be >> Uh you're at 6 foot tall you could be >> Uh you're at 6 foot tall you could be 180 to 200 lb and be lean and jacked. 180 to 200 lb and be lean and jacked. 180 to 200 lb and be lean and jacked. And so there's no reason to go down. And so there's no reason to go down. And so there's no reason to go down. Like let's build muscle and you'll lean Like let's build muscle and you'll lean Like let's build muscle and you'll lean out. out. out. >> So you >> So you >> So you >> if you ate more if you ate more and >> if you ate more if you ate more and >> if you ate more if you ate more and followed mass performance you're you followed mass performance you're you followed mass performance you're you would get leaner and and probably stay would get leaner and and probably stay would get leaner and and probably stay the same way. Yes. the same way. Yes. the same way. Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> I did buy uh maps aesthetic at one >> I did buy uh maps aesthetic at one >> I did buy uh maps aesthetic at one point. point. point. >> That's a lot. >> That's a lot. >> That's a lot. >> And I ran that. >> And I ran that. >> And I ran that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It was It was hard. I loved it. >> Yeah. It was It was hard. I loved it. >> Yeah. It was It was hard. I loved it. [laughter] But it was [laughter] But it was [laughter] But it was >> I could only Hey, I can only imagine on >> I could only Hey, I can only imagine on >> I could only Hey, I can only imagine on 1500 to,900 calories, too. That's a 1500 to,900 calories, too. That's a 1500 to,900 calories, too. That's a >> lot. At that point, I was still I wasn't >> lot. At that point, I was still I wasn't >> lot. At that point, I was still I wasn't really tracking at that point. That really tracking at that point. That really tracking at that point. That tracking has only started since January. tracking has only started since January. tracking has only started since January. I was like, I can't stand being this big I was like, I can't stand being this big I was like, I can't stand being this big or feeling this big. And or feeling this big. And or feeling this big. And >> aesthetic is aesthetic is the wrong >> aesthetic is aesthetic is the wrong >> aesthetic is aesthetic is the wrong program for you. Yeah. program for you. Yeah. program for you. Yeah. >> Do performance. >> Do performance. >> Do performance. >> I mean, >> I mean, >> I mean, >> go ahead and hit your protein and eat >> go ahead and hit your protein and eat >> go ahead and hit your protein and eat when you're hungry, bro. when you're hungry, bro. when you're hungry, bro. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> I'm trying to get to like your training. >> I'm trying to get to like your training. >> I'm trying to get to like your training. Like, have you ever thought about Like, have you ever thought about Like, have you ever thought about working with a coach and not just, you working with a coach and not just, you working with a coach and not just, you know, working out? I just feel like know, working out? I just feel like know, working out? I just feel like there's a little hesitancy with the legs there's a little hesitancy with the legs there's a little hesitancy with the legs uh performance and its strength, which I uh performance and its strength, which I uh performance and its strength, which I bet you, you know, you're you're making bet you, you know, you're you're making bet you, you know, you're you're making a lot of strides and you're not seeing a lot of strides and you're not seeing a lot of strides and you're not seeing it cuz nobody's there kind of it cuz nobody's there kind of it cuz nobody's there kind of reinforcing that for you. reinforcing that for you. reinforcing that for you. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. I mean it would just be something to I mean it would just be something to I mean it would just be something to consider just because a lot of times we consider just because a lot of times we consider just because a lot of times we get in our head because of you know past get in our head because of you know past get in our head because of you know past things and a lot of athletes I've things and a lot of athletes I've things and a lot of athletes I've trained before have had injuries and trained before have had injuries and trained before have had injuries and it's a really hard hurdle to get over it's a really hard hurdle to get over it's a really hard hurdle to get over again. When you start to get somebody to again. When you start to get somebody to again. When you start to get somebody to reinforce the fact that you're making a reinforce the fact that you're making a reinforce the fact that you're making a lot of progress and stride when these lot of progress and stride when these lot of progress and stride when these incremental angles like now I can I can incremental angles like now I can I can incremental angles like now I can I can actually like cut better now I can actually like cut better now I can actually like cut better now I can actually uh jump and I can do all these actually uh jump and I can do all these actually uh jump and I can do all these like um you know performance moves like um you know performance moves like um you know performance moves again. uh you get more confidence in again. uh you get more confidence in again. uh you get more confidence in that. Uh and I just feel like, you know, that. Uh and I just feel like, you know, that. Uh and I just feel like, you know, maybe somebody to just build that maybe somebody to just build that maybe somebody to just build that confidence in your leg because I confidence in your leg because I confidence in your leg because I guarantee, you know, you've probably guarantee, you know, you've probably guarantee, you know, you've probably made a lot of stride and a lot of made a lot of stride and a lot of made a lot of stride and a lot of strength there that you're you're just strength there that you're you're just strength there that you're you're just probably not seeing yourself. Kennedy, probably not seeing yourself. Kennedy, probably not seeing yourself. Kennedy, were you uh were you a runner or a were you uh were you a runner or a were you uh were you a runner or a wrestler? wrestler? wrestler? >> Uh I was a I played soccer and men's >> Uh I was a I played soccer and men's >> Uh I was a I played soccer and men's volleyball. volleyball. volleyball. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm just curious because >> Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm just curious because >> Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm just curious because the the your your idea of like the the the the your your idea of like the the the the your your idea of like the the weight into your height ratio like it's weight into your height ratio like it's weight into your height ratio like it's like you like you like you >> you do not have to be that that light. >> you do not have to be that that light. >> you do not have to be that that light. It's I mean Justin, I'll tell you you're It's I mean Justin, I'll tell you you're It's I mean Justin, I'll tell you you're six foot. six foot. six foot. >> How much foot? I'm 235. >> How much foot? I'm 235. >> How much foot? I'm 235. >> 235. >> 235. >> 235. >> 285. [laughter] >> 285. [laughter] >> 285. [laughter] >> 35. My bad. My bad. >> 35. My bad. My bad. >> 35. My bad. My bad. >> I mean I mean you you Yeah. You don't >> I mean I mean you you Yeah. You don't >> I mean I mean you you Yeah. You don't want I don't I don't want you any want I don't I don't want you any want I don't I don't want you any lighter than that, bro. You're plenty lighter than that, bro. You're plenty lighter than that, bro. You're plenty light. You know what I'm saying? Let's light. You know what I'm saying? Let's light. You know what I'm saying? Let's build some Let's build some muscle. build some Let's build some muscle. build some Let's build some muscle. Let's eat some. Let's eat some. Let's eat some. >> You could very easily build into >> You could very easily build into >> You could very easily build into Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> for sure. >> for sure. >> for sure. >> So, a mental thing from high school just >> So, a mental thing from high school just >> So, a mental thing from high school just being like this is one. Yes, it is. being like this is one. Yes, it is. being like this is one. Yes, it is. That's why I asked that. The reason why That's why I asked that. The reason why That's why I asked that. The reason why I asked and why I thought maybe you were I asked and why I thought maybe you were I asked and why I thought maybe you were a runner or wrestler is because this a runner or wrestler is because this a runner or wrestler is because this tends to happen with my runners or my tends to happen with my runners or my tends to happen with my runners or my wrestlers is my runners and wrestlers wrestlers is my runners and wrestlers wrestlers is my runners and wrestlers are so obsessed with keeping their are so obsessed with keeping their are so obsessed with keeping their weight down because they need it for weight down because they need it for weight down because they need it for their sport. their sport. their sport. >> And so they're they're obsessed with a >> And so they're they're obsessed with a >> And so they're they're obsessed with a number on the scale when it's like, number on the scale when it's like, number on the scale when it's like, dude, you could totally weigh 20 pounds dude, you could totally weigh 20 pounds dude, you could totally weigh 20 pounds heavier and have the body you want or heavier and have the body you want or heavier and have the body you want or whatever. So, uh, you have that you have whatever. So, uh, you have that you have whatever. So, uh, you have that you have you have that mentality a little bit. you have that mentality a little bit. you have that mentality a little bit. So, that's why I assume that that So, that's why I assume that that So, that's why I assume that that >> Kennedy, listen, I want you to have fun. >> Kennedy, listen, I want you to have fun. >> Kennedy, listen, I want you to have fun. I want you to start enjoying this again, I want you to start enjoying this again, I want you to start enjoying this again, dude. dude. dude. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like, like fall in love with it again. >> Like, like fall in love with it again. >> Like, like fall in love with it again. When you follow Matt's performance, When you follow Matt's performance, When you follow Matt's performance, here's how I want you to feed yourself. here's how I want you to feed yourself. here's how I want you to feed yourself. Hit your protein. Hit your protein. Hit your protein. >> And then feed yourself for performance. >> And then feed yourself for performance. >> And then feed yourself for performance. Man, I need more energy. I got to eat Man, I need more energy. I got to eat Man, I need more energy. I got to eat more. That's what I want you to think. more. That's what I want you to think. more. That's what I want you to think. Am I Am I moving better? Am I stronger? Am I Am I moving better? Am I stronger? Am I Am I moving better? Am I stronger? Am I faster? This is fun. That's what I Am I faster? This is fun. That's what I Am I faster? This is fun. That's what I want you to focus on. I don't want you want you to focus on. I don't want you want you to focus on. I don't want you to focus on the scale or the mirror or to focus on the scale or the mirror or to focus on the scale or the mirror or leanness. I want you to focus on am I leanness. I want you to focus on am I leanness. I want you to focus on am I enjoying this? Am I having fun? Can I enjoying this? Am I having fun? Can I enjoying this? Am I having fun? Can I move better? That's going to move you in move better? That's going to move you in move better? That's going to move you in the right direction. Yeah. the right direction. Yeah. the right direction. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'd love to check back up on you after >> I'd love to check back up on you after >> I'd love to check back up on you after this, too. this, too. this, too. >> Yeah. You want to get back on in 60 >> Yeah. You want to get back on in 60 >> Yeah. You want to get back on in 60 days? Let's talk with you again. days? Let's talk with you again. days? Let's talk with you again. >> Yeah, sure. >> Yeah, sure. >> Yeah, sure. >> All right. Let's do it. I'm sending >> All right. Let's do it. I'm sending >> All right. Let's do it. I'm sending performance to you. performance to you. performance to you. >> Yeah. And let's just talk about your >> Yeah. And let's just talk about your >> Yeah. And let's just talk about your strength improvements in the next strength improvements in the next strength improvements in the next conversation. I want I want to hear all conversation. I want I want to hear all conversation. I want I want to hear all about it. about it. about it. >> Okay. Sounds good. >> Okay. Sounds good. >> Okay. Sounds good. >> You got it, man. >> You got it, man. >> You got it, man. >> Thank you all for everything you do. >> Thank you all for everything you do. >> Thank you all for everything you do. >> You got it, brother. Right on. Thank >> You got it, brother. Right on. Thank >> You got it, brother. Right on. Thank you. you. you. >> I thought for sure he was a wrestler or >> I thought for sure he was a wrestler or >> I thought for sure he was a wrestler or a runner. a runner. a runner. >> Well, soccer's close. >> Well, soccer's close. >> Well, soccer's close. >> Yeah. And volleyball. They they both I >> Yeah. And volleyball. They they both I >> Yeah. And volleyball. They they both I know try and keep their weight down and know try and keep their weight down and know try and keep their weight down and they're light but that's I because he they're light but that's I because he they're light but that's I because he lean lean lean >> physique bro six foot tall and 180 is is >> physique bro six foot tall and 180 is is >> physique bro six foot tall and 180 is is is small it is and I think it's more is small it is and I think it's more is small it is and I think it's more than that he loved cuz he said this he than that he loved cuz he said this he than that he loved cuz he said this he loved fitness loved fitness loved fitness >> had a tragic accident >> had a tragic accident >> had a tragic accident >> and when you're a fit person when you're >> and when you're a fit person when you're >> and when you're a fit person when you're an athlete and then suddenly you can't an athlete and then suddenly you can't an athlete and then suddenly you can't do anything for 6 months do anything for 6 months do anything for 6 months >> uh and you come back you're looking for >> uh and you come back you're looking for >> uh and you come back you're looking for control so this has become control for control so this has become control for control so this has become control for >> well did you hear him also he said >> well did you hear him also he said >> well did you hear him also he said there's there was a past high school there's there was a past high school there's there was a past high school food thing. Yeah. food thing. Yeah. food thing. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, he had he had some food stuff >> Yeah. So, he had he had some food stuff >> Yeah. So, he had he had some food stuff and low keeping body body weight down and low keeping body body weight down and low keeping body body weight down low. I mean, the fact that his goal I low. I mean, the fact that his goal I low. I mean, the fact that his goal I mean he didn't you guys didn't hear him mean he didn't you guys didn't hear him mean he didn't you guys didn't hear him but is written up here that he wants to but is written up here that he wants to but is written up here that he wants to be 165. be 165. be 165. >> No, I know that's >> No, I know that's >> No, I know that's >> what 165 and and 6 foot and you're and >> what 165 and and 6 foot and you're and >> what 165 and and 6 foot and you're and you want to be athletic and strong. you want to be athletic and strong. you want to be athletic and strong. >> No way. That's like frail. >> No way. That's like frail. >> No way. That's like frail. >> No way, dude. Yeah. No, he should be he >> No way, dude. Yeah. No, he should be he >> No way, dude. Yeah. No, he should be he should be at least 180. And and we also should be at least 180. And and we also should be at least 180. And and we also we cannot understate the trauma that uh we cannot understate the trauma that uh we cannot understate the trauma that uh being unable to do what you want being unable to do what you want being unable to do what you want physically for 6 months. Do you know how physically for 6 months. Do you know how physically for 6 months. Do you know how depressing that is? I was just depressing that is? I was just depressing that is? I was just >> You got to love how you got to love how >> You got to love how you got to love how >> You got to love how you got to love how a man describes that. a man describes that. a man describes that. >> That's why I said spoken like a man. No, >> That's why I said spoken like a man. No, >> That's why I said spoken like a man. No, I think it's okay. You know, you know, I think it's okay. You know, you know, I think it's okay. You know, you know, sound of glass sends chills down my sound of glass sends chills down my sound of glass sends chills down my back. But I'm fine. back. But I'm fine. back. But I'm fine. >> No, you're not. >> No, you're not. >> No, you're not. >> That's why you need That's I don't know. >> That's why you need That's I don't know. >> That's why you need That's I don't know. Well, that's why I kind of was talking Well, that's why I kind of was talking Well, that's why I kind of was talking about the coaches. You need another about the coaches. You need another about the coaches. You need another person like because person like because person like because >> actually a sports psychologist would >> actually a sports psychologist would >> actually a sports psychologist would >> Yes. Exactly. Exactly. That's actually >> Yes. Exactly. Exactly. That's actually >> Yes. Exactly. Exactly. That's actually maybe we'll give him a contact. I have maybe we'll give him a contact. I have maybe we'll give him a contact. I have Why don't you send that Why don't you send that Why don't you send that >> a contact? Yeah. For him to to maybe um >> a contact? Yeah. For him to to maybe um >> a contact? Yeah. For him to to maybe um pursue that pursue that pursue that >> at the very least we'll we'll be there >> at the very least we'll we'll be there >> at the very least we'll we'll be there for him. for him. for him. >> I know how depressed I get. I was just >> I know how depressed I get. I was just >> I know how depressed I get. I was just sick for a day, bro. For one day I'm in sick for a day, bro. For one day I'm in sick for a day, bro. For one day I'm in bed and I'm like I'm depressed. I bed and I'm like I'm depressed. I bed and I'm like I'm depressed. I couldn't imagine six months, bro. I'm couldn't imagine six months, bro. I'm couldn't imagine six months, bro. I'm going through that, you know. Oh yeah. going through that, you know. Oh yeah. going through that, you know. Oh yeah. >> Well, and if you add the extra layer of >> Well, and if you add the extra layer of >> Well, and if you add the extra layer of that, if you admit that you had like a that, if you admit that you had like a that, if you admit that you had like a weight thing in high school, and then weight thing in high school, and then weight thing in high school, and then you watch yourself, you watch yourself, you watch yourself, >> forget it, bro. >> forget it, bro. >> forget it, bro. >> You know. Yeah. No. Completely dwindle >> You know. Yeah. No. Completely dwindle >> You know. Yeah. No. Completely dwindle away, freak out, then you overcompensate away, freak out, then you overcompensate away, freak out, then you overcompensate and go the other direction, put on a and go the other direction, put on a and go the other direction, put on a bunch of bad weight. Yeah. Yeah. bunch of bad weight. Yeah. Yeah. bunch of bad weight. Yeah. Yeah. >> Our next caller is Sophie from the UK. >> Our next caller is Sophie from the UK. >> Our next caller is Sophie from the UK. >> Hi, Sophie. >> Hi, Sophie. >> Hi, Sophie. >> How you doing, Sophie? >> How you doing, Sophie? >> How you doing, Sophie? >> Hi. Nice to meet you. >> Hi. Nice to meet you. >> Hi. Nice to meet you. >> Nice to meet you as well. How can we >> Nice to meet you as well. How can we >> Nice to meet you as well. How can we help you? help you? help you? >> Thanks so much for taking my call. >> Thanks so much for taking my call. >> Thanks so much for taking my call. >> You got it. Um, [clears throat] >> You got it. Um, [clears throat] >> You got it. Um, [clears throat] before I start, I just want to say I've before I start, I just want to say I've before I start, I just want to say I've been listening for a couple of years and been listening for a couple of years and been listening for a couple of years and I want to say how much I appreciate the I want to say how much I appreciate the I want to say how much I appreciate the way that you your ethos really, how you way that you your ethos really, how you way that you your ethos really, how you strive to educate and share knowledge strive to educate and share knowledge strive to educate and share knowledge and inspire, but also that you stay and inspire, but also that you stay and inspire, but also that you stay curious and you keep learning and you curious and you keep learning and you curious and you keep learning and you challenge yourselves. challenge yourselves. challenge yourselves. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> And you allow yourselves to be >> And you allow yourselves to be >> And you allow yourselves to be vulnerable. Yeah, I think that's vulnerable. Yeah, I think that's vulnerable. Yeah, I think that's admirable. admirable. admirable. >> Thank you so much. I appreciate a nice >> Thank you so much. I appreciate a nice >> Thank you so much. I appreciate a nice compliment. How can we help you? compliment. How can we help you? compliment. How can we help you? >> Uh, I actually have a question about my >> Uh, I actually have a question about my >> Uh, I actually have a question about my husband. It's not about me, but he knows husband. It's not about me, but he knows husband. It's not about me, but he knows that I'm talking to you. It's two that I'm talking to you. It's two that I'm talking to you. It's two questions. One is related to back pain. questions. One is related to back pain. questions. One is related to back pain. Um, because he recently had an episode Um, because he recently had an episode Um, because he recently had an episode of really bad back pain, but his fitness of really bad back pain, but his fitness of really bad back pain, but his fitness is good, his mobility is good, his core is good, his mobility is good, his core is good, his mobility is good, his core strength is good. So, we're looking for strength is good. So, we're looking for strength is good. So, we're looking for advice about that. And then just um what advice about that. And then just um what advice about that. And then just um what you'd advise for long-term health and you'd advise for long-term health and you'd advise for long-term health and longevity for him in terms of exercise longevity for him in terms of exercise longevity for him in terms of exercise and nutrition. and nutrition. and nutrition. >> Okay. [snorts] So, do you want me to >> Okay. [snorts] So, do you want me to >> Okay. [snorts] So, do you want me to give you some background about his back? give you some background about his back? give you some background about his back? >> Yes, that would help a lot. >> Yes, that would help a lot. >> Yes, that would help a lot. >> Definitely. >> Definitely. >> Definitely. >> Okay. Uh, so he's 54. He has a very >> Okay. Uh, so he's 54. He has a very >> Okay. Uh, so he's 54. He has a very sedentary job. It's a very high pressure sedentary job. It's a very high pressure sedentary job. It's a very high pressure job as a police officer. He works really job as a police officer. He works really job as a police officer. He works really long hours. So, he usually leaves the long hours. So, he usually leaves the long hours. So, he usually leaves the house at about 6:00 in the morning. He house at about 6:00 in the morning. He house at about 6:00 in the morning. He gets home maybe at 7:00 p.m. gets home maybe at 7:00 p.m. gets home maybe at 7:00 p.m. He gets on average, I would say, 6 hours He gets on average, I would say, 6 hours He gets on average, I would say, 6 hours of sleep on weekdays. of sleep on weekdays. of sleep on weekdays. He's always kept fit. So, he cycles He's always kept fit. So, he cycles He's always kept fit. So, he cycles maybe 40 miles a week. He swims a couple maybe 40 miles a week. He swims a couple maybe 40 miles a week. He swims a couple of times a week. He does a bit of of times a week. He does a bit of of times a week. He does a bit of weights and chin-ups. And he does maybe weights and chin-ups. And he does maybe weights and chin-ups. And he does maybe half an hour of mobility every day. Lots half an hour of mobility every day. Lots half an hour of mobility every day. Lots of stretches, things like glute bridges, of stretches, things like glute bridges, of stretches, things like glute bridges, that kind of thing. Some Romanian that kind of thing. Some Romanian that kind of thing. Some Romanian deadlifts, but with no weights at all. deadlifts, but with no weights at all. deadlifts, but with no weights at all. Over the years, he's had back problems Over the years, he's had back problems Over the years, he's had back problems several times. The worst time was several times. The worst time was several times. The worst time was probably about 15 years ago when we probably about 15 years ago when we probably about 15 years ago when we thought it was a herniated disc. And thought it was a herniated disc. And thought it was a herniated disc. And then every few years he'll have an then every few years he'll have an then every few years he'll have an episode where his back goes into spasm episode where his back goes into spasm episode where his back goes into spasm and it takes him maybe two or 3 weeks to and it takes him maybe two or 3 weeks to and it takes him maybe two or 3 weeks to recover. recover. recover. His recent episode of that was about 3 His recent episode of that was about 3 His recent episode of that was about 3 months ago. So he felt his back months ago. So he felt his back months ago. So he felt his back stiffening up. He went to the physio. He stiffening up. He went to the physio. He stiffening up. He went to the physio. He went to the osteopath. They told him to went to the osteopath. They told him to went to the osteopath. They told him to keep moving which he does. They told him keep moving which he does. They told him keep moving which he does. They told him to stay mobile which he does. They gave to stay mobile which he does. They gave to stay mobile which he does. They gave him all these exercises like glute him all these exercises like glute him all these exercises like glute bridges which he does. And then after bridges which he does. And then after bridges which he does. And then after the osteopath visit he got noticeably the osteopath visit he got noticeably the osteopath visit he got noticeably worse worse worse and one day he sneezed and this caused and one day he sneezed and this caused and one day he sneezed and this caused acute pain. I mean properly he had to go acute pain. I mean properly he had to go acute pain. I mean properly he had to go and lie in bed for two days. and lie in bed for two days. and lie in bed for two days. >> It was so painful. Um but our national >> It was so painful. Um but our national >> It was so painful. Um but our national health service didn't really do anything health service didn't really do anything health service didn't really do anything about that. He hasn't had any scans or about that. He hasn't had any scans or about that. He hasn't had any scans or anything at all. anything at all. anything at all. So the the really acute pain morphed So the the really acute pain morphed So the the really acute pain morphed into something sciatica like it referred into something sciatica like it referred into something sciatica like it referred down one of his legs. His cough got very down one of his legs. His cough got very down one of his legs. His cough got very stiff. He got pins and needles stiff. He got pins and needles stiff. He got pins and needles and then gradually it improved. So he's and then gradually it improved. So he's and then gradually it improved. So he's done all the exercises that he's meant done all the exercises that he's meant done all the exercises that he's meant to do. It's improved. His back doesn't to do. It's improved. His back doesn't to do. It's improved. His back doesn't hurt anymore. His calf isn't stiff hurt anymore. His calf isn't stiff hurt anymore. His calf isn't stiff anymore. But obviously we're interested anymore. But obviously we're interested anymore. But obviously we're interested in avoiding this in the long term. in avoiding this in the long term. in avoiding this in the long term. what can he do to prevent this kind of what can he do to prevent this kind of what can he do to prevent this kind of thing reoccurring? thing reoccurring? thing reoccurring? >> Yeah, good. Uh, thanks for calling in >> Yeah, good. Uh, thanks for calling in >> Yeah, good. Uh, thanks for calling in and thank you so much for what you said and thank you so much for what you said and thank you so much for what you said uh in the beginning. Uh, he's had no uh in the beginning. Uh, he's had no uh in the beginning. Uh, he's had no scan so we don't know if there is uh scan so we don't know if there is uh scan so we don't know if there is uh herniation herniation herniation or Okay, that would be very helpful cuz or Okay, that would be very helpful cuz or Okay, that would be very helpful cuz it sounds like there may be now this it sounds like there may be now this it sounds like there may be now this isn't a death sentence. No, isn't a death sentence. No, isn't a death sentence. No, >> but it would illuminate uh to what the >> but it would illuminate uh to what the >> but it would illuminate uh to what the issue is because it does sound nerve issue is because it does sound nerve issue is because it does sound nerve related. related. related. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because of what you described uh with >> Because of what you described uh with >> Because of what you described uh with with the leg pain and the calf with the leg pain and the calf with the leg pain and the calf stiffness. And so sometimes you can have stiffness. And so sometimes you can have stiffness. And so sometimes you can have a herniated disc or a slip disc or there a herniated disc or a slip disc or there a herniated disc or a slip disc or there could be bony growths on the spine, the could be bony growths on the spine, the could be bony growths on the spine, the the bones of the spine that uh can press the bones of the spine that uh can press the bones of the spine that uh can press on a nerve and cause those issues. Now, on a nerve and cause those issues. Now, on a nerve and cause those issues. Now, [clears throat] I think what he's doing [clears throat] I think what he's doing [clears throat] I think what he's doing is preventing a lot worse. is preventing a lot worse. is preventing a lot worse. >> So, it could be a lot worse. Could it be >> So, it could be a lot worse. Could it be >> So, it could be a lot worse. Could it be better? Uh, possibly. But I think a scan better? Uh, possibly. But I think a scan better? Uh, possibly. But I think a scan would would give us a better idea. would would give us a better idea. would would give us a better idea. >> Is there I would I would also want to >> Is there I would I would also want to >> Is there I would I would also want to know if have you guys peered in, is know if have you guys peered in, is know if have you guys peered in, is there any correlation with the when this there any correlation with the when this there any correlation with the when this is flared up with uh like have you gone is flared up with uh like have you gone is flared up with uh like have you gone back and been like, okay, what has that back and been like, okay, what has that back and been like, okay, what has that that week been like stress, sleep, and that week been like stress, sleep, and that week been like stress, sleep, and like maybe the lifting routine that like maybe the lifting routine that like maybe the lifting routine that week? Like did was there is there a week? Like did was there is there a week? Like did was there is there a certain time where a certain exercise certain time where a certain exercise certain time where a certain exercise that he has pushed that week? Was there that he has pushed that week? Was there that he has pushed that week? Was there a certain level of stress at work at the a certain level of stress at work at the a certain level of stress at work at the time? Was it a really poor week of of time? Was it a really poor week of of time? Was it a really poor week of of sleep that week? Has there any been has sleep that week? Has there any been has sleep that week? Has there any been has there been any correlation to the when there been any correlation to the when there been any correlation to the when he gets these flare ups or something he gets these flare ups or something he gets these flare ups or something happens during during to that week happens during during to that week happens during during to that week leading up to that that I would want to leading up to that that I would want to leading up to that that I would want to peer into that if you guys have at all. peer into that if you guys have at all. peer into that if you guys have at all. >> We we've never looked at that >> We we've never looked at that >> We we've never looked at that specifically. No. I can tell you that specifically. No. I can tell you that specifically. No. I can tell you that when this happened three months ago, it when this happened three months ago, it when this happened three months ago, it was a particularly bad time for it to was a particularly bad time for it to was a particularly bad time for it to happen because he was um he was on happen because he was um he was on happen because he was um he was on promotion at work. He was basically promotion at work. He was basically promotion at work. He was basically standing in for his boss. So standing in for his boss. So standing in for his boss. So >> at work it was extremely stressful and >> at work it was extremely stressful and >> at work it was extremely stressful and extremely busy, extremely busy, extremely busy, >> but we haven't looked specifically, you >> but we haven't looked specifically, you >> but we haven't looked specifically, you know, to to try and make a link between know, to to try and make a link between know, to to try and make a link between each episode and whether he was sleeping each episode and whether he was sleeping each episode and whether he was sleeping less or whether there was more stress. less or whether there was more stress. less or whether there was more stress. Well, you did say he sleeps about six Well, you did say he sleeps about six Well, you did say he sleeps about six hours uh at night through the night. hours uh at night through the night. hours uh at night through the night. There's a strong correlation between uh There's a strong correlation between uh There's a strong correlation between uh suboptimal sleep injuries suboptimal sleep injuries suboptimal sleep injuries >> and injury and pain. Very strong >> and injury and pain. Very strong >> and injury and pain. Very strong >> correlation. >> correlation. >> correlation. >> And that'll be exacerbated if it's >> And that'll be exacerbated if it's >> And that'll be exacerbated if it's during a time of high stress. Stress. during a time of high stress. Stress. during a time of high stress. Stress. >> Yeah. High high stress and or if there >> Yeah. High high stress and or if there >> Yeah. High high stress and or if there was something compromising that he might was something compromising that he might was something compromising that he might have done in his lifts. Like let's say have done in his lifts. Like let's say have done in his lifts. Like let's say that was a week that he was kind of that was a week that he was kind of that was a week that he was kind of pushing his strength a little bit, doing pushing his strength a little bit, doing pushing his strength a little bit, doing a little more than usual. And so there a little more than usual. And so there a little more than usual. And so there could easily be a connection of, wow, could easily be a connection of, wow, could easily be a connection of, wow, you had a lot of stress going on. You you had a lot of stress going on. You you had a lot of stress going on. You already don't sleep really well and that already don't sleep really well and that already don't sleep really well and that also is the day that you decided to do also is the day that you decided to do also is the day that you decided to do that extra run or you decided to do a that extra run or you decided to do a that extra run or you decided to do a little more weight on this exercise. little more weight on this exercise. little more weight on this exercise. There could be a connection there. And There could be a connection there. And There could be a connection there. And just what the advice would be I think just what the advice would be I think just what the advice would be I think he's doing a lot of the right things, he's doing a lot of the right things, he's doing a lot of the right things, right? To to Sal's point to to to right? To to Sal's point to to to right? To to Sal's point to to to mitigate what's happening. The next mitigate what's happening. The next mitigate what's happening. The next layer or level to this until we find layer or level to this until we find layer or level to this until we find more information out would be like being more information out would be like being more information out would be like being mindful of those weeks like, hey, this I mindful of those weeks like, hey, this I mindful of those weeks like, hey, this I got a lot going on. Stress works. If got a lot going on. Stress works. If got a lot going on. Stress works. If there was ever a time I really there was ever a time I really there was ever a time I really prioritized getting more sleep or maybe prioritized getting more sleep or maybe prioritized getting more sleep or maybe I back scale back a little bit on my I back scale back a little bit on my I back scale back a little bit on my training this week because I had so I training this week because I had so I training this week because I had so I being more aware of that in in those being more aware of that in in those being more aware of that in in those moments. moments. moments. >> So just to kind of bring this together >> So just to kind of bring this together >> So just to kind of bring this together cuz sometimes when people say stress and cuz sometimes when people say stress and cuz sometimes when people say stress and sleep it sounds so general and so like sleep it sounds so general and so like sleep it sounds so general and so like oh that's the answer they give when they oh that's the answer they give when they oh that's the answer they give when they don't know what the problem is type of don't know what the problem is type of don't know what the problem is type of deal. But if you look at the data, uh, deal. But if you look at the data, uh, deal. But if you look at the data, uh, the things that you could do, so they've the things that you could do, so they've the things that you could do, so they've actually tested this, like what are the actually tested this, like what are the actually tested this, like what are the things you could do to dramatically things you could do to dramatically things you could do to dramatically increase risk of injury in a workout, increase risk of injury in a workout, increase risk of injury in a workout, and they've tested things like not and they've tested things like not and they've tested things like not warming up, lifting with loose form, warming up, lifting with loose form, warming up, lifting with loose form, having a poor night of sleep the night having a poor night of sleep the night having a poor night of sleep the night before. Poor night of sleep the night before. Poor night of sleep the night before. Poor night of sleep the night before is the worst. Uh, and it really before is the worst. Uh, and it really before is the worst. Uh, and it really has to do with how it affects the has to do with how it affects the has to do with how it affects the central nervous system. So the central central nervous system. So the central central nervous system. So the central nervous system is what controls and nervous system is what controls and nervous system is what controls and organizes all the muscles. So, let's organizes all the muscles. So, let's organizes all the muscles. So, let's just say for just hypothetically, I just say for just hypothetically, I just say for just hypothetically, I don't know if this is the case. We don't don't know if this is the case. We don't don't know if this is the case. We don't have a scan, but let's say he does have have a scan, but let's say he does have have a scan, but let's say he does have a herniated disc. And so, it's kind of a herniated disc. And so, it's kind of a herniated disc. And so, it's kind of it's always there. Let's just say it's it's always there. Let's just say it's it's always there. Let's just say it's near one of the nerves uh that can cause near one of the nerves uh that can cause near one of the nerves uh that can cause some of this pain. It's not doing some of this pain. It's not doing some of this pain. It's not doing anything there yet, but it's there. And anything there yet, but it's there. And anything there yet, but it's there. And what keeps it from causing pain is his what keeps it from causing pain is his what keeps it from causing pain is his muscles are well organized. He's got muscles are well organized. He's got muscles are well organized. He's got good core stability and everything's good core stability and everything's good core stability and everything's keeping everything in check. But then keeping everything in check. But then keeping everything in check. But then when you have cumulative stress, so when you have cumulative stress, so when you have cumulative stress, so here's what happens with poor sleep. You here's what happens with poor sleep. You here's what happens with poor sleep. You can have really bad sleep. You could can have really bad sleep. You could can have really bad sleep. You could have a night where, you know, people have a night where, you know, people have a night where, you know, people with infants knows what this like. with infants knows what this like. with infants knows what this like. You'll have one or two nights of like You'll have one or two nights of like You'll have one or two nights of like one hour of sleep and it's like I'm one hour of sleep and it's like I'm one hour of sleep and it's like I'm dead. But you can also have what's dead. But you can also have what's dead. But you can also have what's called cumulative stress where, you called cumulative stress where, you called cumulative stress where, you know, over months and months and years, know, over months and months and years, know, over months and months and years, I just kind of have suboptimal sleep. I just kind of have suboptimal sleep. I just kind of have suboptimal sleep. Central nervous system gets affected and Central nervous system gets affected and Central nervous system gets affected and it's not able to organize muscles uh in it's not able to organize muscles uh in it's not able to organize muscles uh in the right way. What it starts to do is the right way. What it starts to do is the right way. What it starts to do is tighten things up. tighten things up. tighten things up. >> So, it starts to limit ranges of motion >> So, it starts to limit ranges of motion >> So, it starts to limit ranges of motion in areas that it believes it needs to in areas that it believes it needs to in areas that it believes it needs to protect. So, let's just say that your protect. So, let's just say that your protect. So, let's just say that your your husband's body has identified, your husband's body has identified, your husband's body has identified, which it probably has, an area of which it probably has, an area of which it probably has, an area of instability. Let's just say it's in the instability. Let's just say it's in the instability. Let's just say it's in the lumbar spine. [snorts] Through stress lumbar spine. [snorts] Through stress lumbar spine. [snorts] Through stress and lack of sleep, it'll tighten that and lack of sleep, it'll tighten that and lack of sleep, it'll tighten that area up and prevent mobility. Uh, which area up and prevent mobility. Uh, which area up and prevent mobility. Uh, which in the short term may be okay, but in in the short term may be okay, but in in the short term may be okay, but in the long term can actually cause more the long term can actually cause more the long term can actually cause more problems. Um, and so this is kind of problems. Um, and so this is kind of problems. Um, and so this is kind of what happens. So, number one, I what the what happens. So, number one, I what the what happens. So, number one, I what the number one thing I would do is to try to number one thing I would do is to try to number one thing I would do is to try to prioritize sleep. Maintain the movement. prioritize sleep. Maintain the movement. prioritize sleep. Maintain the movement. Prioritize sleep. Here's the other thing Prioritize sleep. Here's the other thing Prioritize sleep. Here's the other thing that I would look at. Um I noticed his that I would look at. Um I noticed his that I would look at. Um I noticed his weight was 135 at 5'11 and he's also weight was 135 at 5'11 and he's also weight was 135 at 5'11 and he's also vegetarian. Okay. vegetarian. Okay. vegetarian. Okay. >> I would look at uh supplementing uh with >> I would look at uh supplementing uh with >> I would look at uh supplementing uh with um he's already taking creatine. It says um he's already taking creatine. It says um he's already taking creatine. It says >> uh I would try to supplement. He's >> uh I would try to supplement. He's >> uh I would try to supplement. He's already taking protein. I'm assuming already taking protein. I'm assuming already taking protein. I'm assuming he's getting at least 130 grams of he's getting at least 130 grams of he's getting at least 130 grams of protein a day. Do you know? protein a day. Do you know? protein a day. Do you know? >> He doesn't track. So we have no idea >> He doesn't track. So we have no idea >> He doesn't track. So we have no idea really. really. really. >> Okay. Okay. So, I I would like to see >> Okay. Okay. So, I I would like to see >> Okay. Okay. So, I I would like to see him hit about 150 grams of protein a him hit about 150 grams of protein a him hit about 150 grams of protein a day. day. day. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> And then uh I would also the mult he's >> And then uh I would also the mult he's >> And then uh I would also the mult he's taking a multivitamin which is good. Uh taking a multivitamin which is good. Uh taking a multivitamin which is good. Uh I would also take an additional uh I would also take an additional uh I would also take an additional uh methylated B vitamin supplement. Uh I methylated B vitamin supplement. Uh I methylated B vitamin supplement. Uh I would take vitamin D would take vitamin D would take vitamin D >> in addition. And then I would I would >> in addition. And then I would I would >> in addition. And then I would I would definitely take some essential fatty definitely take some essential fatty definitely take some essential fatty acids. Uh like the high EPA fish oil acids. Uh like the high EPA fish oil acids. Uh like the high EPA fish oil would be a good idea. If eggs could be would be a good idea. If eggs could be would be a good idea. If eggs could be on the menu, eggs would be phenomenal. on the menu, eggs would be phenomenal. on the menu, eggs would be phenomenal. Typically, vegetarians respond well to Typically, vegetarians respond well to Typically, vegetarians respond well to eggs. If not, uh, then then you can skip eggs. If not, uh, then then you can skip eggs. If not, uh, then then you can skip that. that. that. >> Eggs are totally on the menu. We have >> Eggs are totally on the menu. We have >> Eggs are totally on the menu. We have our own chickens. our own chickens. our own chickens. >> Oh, awesome. >> Oh, awesome. >> Oh, awesome. >> Oh, good, good, good. So, keep doing >> Oh, good, good, good. So, keep doing >> Oh, good, good, good. So, keep doing that. that. that. >> Really nice eggs. >> Really nice eggs. >> Really nice eggs. >> But the essential fatty acids help with >> But the essential fatty acids help with >> But the essential fatty acids help with inflammation. Uh, they help with central inflammation. Uh, they help with central inflammation. Uh, they help with central nervous system function. Protein is nervous system function. Protein is nervous system function. Protein is great for recovery. I I think the sleep great for recovery. I I think the sleep great for recovery. I I think the sleep would be the best thing cuz he saw would be the best thing cuz he saw would be the best thing cuz he saw physios, he saw people who understand physios, he saw people who understand physios, he saw people who understand movement. Mhm. movement. Mhm. movement. Mhm. >> I'm assuming they correct. They looked >> I'm assuming they correct. They looked >> I'm assuming they correct. They looked at his movement. They looked at his at his movement. They looked at his at his movement. They looked at his movement patterns and they probably gave movement patterns and they probably gave movement patterns and they probably gave him some exercises like you said. Uh I I him some exercises like you said. Uh I I him some exercises like you said. Uh I I my guess is going to be it's the my guess is going to be it's the my guess is going to be it's the cumulative uh kind of stress over time cumulative uh kind of stress over time cumulative uh kind of stress over time which is coming from sleep. which is coming from sleep. which is coming from sleep. >> Well, and to and to close the loop on >> Well, and to and to close the loop on >> Well, and to and to close the loop on what I was saying and then what S has what I was saying and then what S has what I was saying and then what S has added, imagine a day like the like we added, imagine a day like the like we added, imagine a day like the like we were just talking about this period of were just talking about this period of were just talking about this period of time he's doing the B high stress at time he's doing the B high stress at time he's doing the B high stress at work. He gets a less optimal night of work. He gets a less optimal night of work. He gets a less optimal night of sleep than what he normally typically sleep than what he normally typically sleep than what he normally typically does. So it's even maybe a little worse, does. So it's even maybe a little worse, does. So it's even maybe a little worse, just slightly, but a little worse. And just slightly, but a little worse. And just slightly, but a little worse. And that that next morning is the morning that that next morning is the morning that that next morning is the morning that he does his swim or his cycle or that he does his swim or his cycle or that he does his swim or his cycle or this thing. And even though that's a this thing. And even though that's a this thing. And even though that's a healthy exercise, that those are good healthy exercise, that those are good healthy exercise, that those are good movements. It's that his body is movements. It's that his body is movements. It's that his body is tightened up because of that stress, tightened up because of that stress, tightened up because of that stress, that lack of sleep, what what Sal is that lack of sleep, what what Sal is that lack of sleep, what what Sal is saying from the central nervous system. saying from the central nervous system. saying from the central nervous system. And he goes and does these movements and And he goes and does these movements and And he goes and does these movements and and that's just enough for that nerve to and that's just enough for that nerve to and that's just enough for that nerve to hit that and he's and [clears throat] hit that and he's and [clears throat] hit that and he's and [clears throat] then he freezes up then he freezes up then he freezes up >> or or what what happened in his case is >> or or what what happened in his case is >> or or what what happened in his case is he did an involuntary movement that was he did an involuntary movement that was he did an involuntary movement that was very fast like a sneeze. very fast like a sneeze. very fast like a sneeze. >> Yeah. and and so those tight muscles >> Yeah. and and so those tight muscles >> Yeah. and and so those tight muscles can't react the way that they're can't react the way that they're can't react the way that they're supposed to. supposed to. supposed to. >> And if it hits a nerve, so it sounds >> And if it hits a nerve, so it sounds >> And if it hits a nerve, so it sounds like it's nerve related. like it's nerve related. like it's nerve related. >> Uh when you have nerve pain, it's >> Uh when you have nerve pain, it's >> Uh when you have nerve pain, it's sudden, it's hard, and it's it's sudden, it's hard, and it's it's sudden, it's hard, and it's it's debilitating. It's like boom, I can't debilitating. It's like boom, I can't debilitating. It's like boom, I can't move. Um and that's typically a nerve move. Um and that's typically a nerve move. Um and that's typically a nerve type related issue. type related issue. type related issue. So, if let's say he has a week like that So, if let's say he has a week like that So, if let's say he has a week like that or a or or a night or two of really not or a or or a night or two of really not or a or or a night or two of really not enough sleep or whatever, would you enough sleep or whatever, would you enough sleep or whatever, would you advise him to try and cut down on his advise him to try and cut down on his advise him to try and cut down on his exercise? exercise? exercise? >> Yes. Yes. It would be more recuperative. >> Yes. Yes. It would be more recuperative. >> Yes. Yes. It would be more recuperative. This would be a great time for you know This would be a great time for you know This would be a great time for you know what honey maybe today's the day for what honey maybe today's the day for what honey maybe today's the day for this the sauna this the sauna this the sauna >> or just or a walk or you know a like >> or just or a walk or you know a like >> or just or a walk or you know a like just stretch a walk more recuperative just stretch a walk more recuperative just stretch a walk more recuperative type of stuff. type of stuff. type of stuff. >> Yeah. You're doing you're just reducing >> Yeah. You're doing you're just reducing >> Yeah. You're doing you're just reducing the intensity. the intensity. the intensity. >> That's right. So, a not a cycling day, >> That's right. So, a not a cycling day, >> That's right. So, a not a cycling day, not a swimming day, not a a strength not a swimming day, not a a strength not a swimming day, not a a strength training day, per se. This would be a training day, per se. This would be a training day, per se. This would be a better day to do something. better day to do something. better day to do something. >> And just to encourage you, Sophie, let's >> And just to encourage you, Sophie, let's >> And just to encourage you, Sophie, let's just say he did get a a scan and they just say he did get a a scan and they just say he did get a a scan and they did see, oh, here's some structural did see, oh, here's some structural did see, oh, here's some structural stuff that's going on. Uh, how many stuff that's going on. Uh, how many stuff that's going on. Uh, how many times in the last 10 years has he had times in the last 10 years has he had times in the last 10 years has he had this dehabilitating kind of back pain? this dehabilitating kind of back pain? this dehabilitating kind of back pain? >> Uh, well, the kind of back pain that he >> Uh, well, the kind of back pain that he >> Uh, well, the kind of back pain that he had this time around, he's only had had this time around, he's only had had this time around, he's only had maybe twice ever. Yeah. maybe twice ever. Yeah. maybe twice ever. Yeah. >> Normally, it's it's extreme stiffness, >> Normally, it's it's extreme stiffness, >> Normally, it's it's extreme stiffness, and I've always thought it was muscular. and I've always thought it was muscular. and I've always thought it was muscular. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> And he's he's had that maybe every few >> And he's he's had that maybe every few >> And he's he's had that maybe every few years. years. years. >> That's not bad. If he has a No, no, no. >> That's not bad. If he has a No, no, no. >> That's not bad. If he has a No, no, no. Listen, it's actually it's a testament Listen, it's actually it's a testament Listen, it's actually it's a testament to him doing a lot of the right things. to him doing a lot of the right things. to him doing a lot of the right things. He's done a lot of right things. He's done a lot of right things. He's done a lot of right things. >> With people, I would guess that if he >> With people, I would guess that if he >> With people, I would guess that if he got an image done that they would see got an image done that they would see got an image done that they would see something. something. something. >> I've had clients like this where they >> I've had clients like this where they >> I've had clients like this where they look at the image, they're like, "Whoa, look at the image, they're like, "Whoa, look at the image, they're like, "Whoa, I'm surprised you're not hurting all the I'm surprised you're not hurting all the I'm surprised you're not hurting all the time." time." time." >> Uh, and it's because of their fitness. >> Uh, and it's because of their fitness. >> Uh, and it's because of their fitness. >> Uh, but that doesn't mean he can't get >> Uh, but that doesn't mean he can't get >> Uh, but that doesn't mean he can't get better. And I really do I I really do better. And I really do I I really do better. And I really do I I really do think with his job and you know 6 hours think with his job and you know 6 hours think with his job and you know 6 hours of sleep 5 days a week uh you can get of sleep 5 days a week uh you can get of sleep 5 days a week uh you can get away with that for a little while but if away with that for a little while but if away with that for a little while but if it happens long term all the time it happens long term all the time it happens long term all the time >> well paired too with a a very physical >> well paired too with a a very physical >> well paired too with a a very physical demanding activ demanding activ demanding activ it it definitely wears uh it's it it definitely wears uh it's it it definitely wears uh it's cumulative uh is what happens. So if he cumulative uh is what happens. So if he cumulative uh is what happens. So if he could get could get could get >> an extra hour of sleep every night I >> an extra hour of sleep every night I >> an extra hour of sleep every night I think it would reduce these episodes. think it would reduce these episodes. think it would reduce these episodes. Yeah, he's trying. He's trying, but it's Yeah, he's trying. He's trying, but it's Yeah, he's trying. He's trying, but it's it's hard. And what's your take on it's hard. And what's your take on it's hard. And what's your take on exercises like Romanian deadlifts? Is exercises like Romanian deadlifts? Is exercises like Romanian deadlifts? Is that something he should be not doing or that something he should be not doing or that something he should be not doing or with very little weight, or is that with very little weight, or is that with very little weight, or is that something that's protective if you can something that's protective if you can something that's protective if you can work up? work up? work up? >> It's it could be protective he can work >> It's it could be protective he can work >> It's it could be protective he can work up, but it's being mindful of what we up, but it's being mindful of what we up, but it's being mindful of what we just talked about, too. Because a time just talked about, too. Because a time just talked about, too. Because a time for him to work up would not be that for him to work up would not be that for him to work up would not be that weak, right? weak, right? weak, right? >> So, like if if he's getting it's a good >> So, like if if he's getting it's a good >> So, like if if he's getting it's a good rest, rest, rest, >> fully recovered. >> fully recovered. >> fully recovered. >> Yeah. He's fully recovered. He feels >> Yeah. He's fully recovered. He feels >> Yeah. He's fully recovered. He feels great. Hey, good time to try and get great. Hey, good time to try and get great. Hey, good time to try and get stronger in that lift. is going to be stronger in that lift. is going to be stronger in that lift. is going to be protective for him but being mindful of protective for him but being mindful of protective for him but being mindful of not good night's sleep really stressful not good night's sleep really stressful not good night's sleep really stressful at work right now this might be the time at work right now this might be the time at work right now this might be the time where I'm working inward where I'm working inward where I'm working inward >> at this point he wants to maintain uh >> at this point he wants to maintain uh >> at this point he wants to maintain uh the skill of these exercises more than the skill of these exercises more than the skill of these exercises more than anything so when he goes in to do the anything so when he goes in to do the anything so when he goes in to do the exercise more often than not it's to be exercise more often than not it's to be exercise more often than not it's to be able to m to be able to do it not able to m to be able to do it not able to m to be able to do it not necessarily to push it or to build necessarily to push it or to build necessarily to push it or to build muscle uh those are going to be more muscle uh those are going to be more muscle uh those are going to be more rare occasions when everything's going rare occasions when everything's going rare occasions when everything's going great and I feel amazing uh but More great and I feel amazing uh but More great and I feel amazing uh but More often than not, you practice them so you often than not, you practice them so you often than not, you practice them so you don't lose the ability to do them, don't lose the ability to do them, don't lose the ability to do them, >> which does keep make them protective >> which does keep make them protective >> which does keep make them protective because like if you stop doing them, because like if you stop doing them, because like if you stop doing them, let's just say stop doing that because let's just say stop doing that because let's just say stop doing that because he's scared of it. he's scared of it. he's scared of it. >> Over time, he'll lose the ability to do >> Over time, he'll lose the ability to do >> Over time, he'll lose the ability to do it, which increase his risk of injury. it, which increase his risk of injury. it, which increase his risk of injury. >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Okay, >> does that make sense? >> does that make sense? >> does that make sense? >> It does. >> It does. >> It does. >> Good. How difficult is it to get an >> Good. How difficult is it to get an >> Good. How difficult is it to get an image uh uh where you're at? Can you can image uh uh where you're at? Can you can image uh uh where you're at? Can you can you request that or does it have to be you request that or does it have to be you request that or does it have to be like like like >> uh it would have to be done privately. >> uh it would have to be done privately. >> uh it would have to be done privately. the the health service will basically the the health service will basically the the health service will basically refer you for a scan if you're dying. refer you for a scan if you're dying. refer you for a scan if you're dying. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, we asked and that's pretty much >> I mean, we asked and that's pretty much >> I mean, we asked and that's pretty much what they said. [laughter] what they said. [laughter] what they said. [laughter] >> Yeah. I mean, here's what a scan. >> Yeah. I mean, here's what a scan. >> Yeah. I mean, here's what a scan. >> So, we could have it done privately. >> So, we could have it done privately. >> So, we could have it done privately. >> Here's what a scan would do. A scan >> Here's what a scan would do. A scan >> Here's what a scan would do. A scan would give you here's what the issue is. would give you here's what the issue is. would give you here's what the issue is. Here's what we see Here's what we see Here's what we see >> and then you have the image and then you >> and then you have the image and then you >> and then you have the image and then you could take that to a physio who then could take that to a physio who then could take that to a physio who then might have better information. might have better information. might have better information. >> I mean, I'm pretty I'm pretty confident. >> I mean, I'm pretty I'm pretty confident. >> I mean, I'm pretty I'm pretty confident. I think you would be too that they're I think you would be too that they're I think you would be too that they're gonna probably see it's just a matter gonna probably see it's just a matter gonna probably see it's just a matter how much the bulge disc is gonna be. How how much the bulge disc is gonna be. How how much the bulge disc is gonna be. How like and because I I think he's done a like and because I I think he's done a like and because I I think he's done a phenomenal job. phenomenal job. phenomenal job. >> I we've I've had clients with with >> I we've I've had clients with with >> I we've I've had clients with with incredibly bulging disc and never had incredibly bulging disc and never had incredibly bulging disc and never had any pain because they're healthy, any pain because they're healthy, any pain because they're healthy, they're fit, they take care of they do they're fit, they take care of they do they're fit, they take care of they do all the things. And then I have others all the things. And then I have others all the things. And then I have others that have nothing but yet have all this that have nothing but yet have all this that have nothing but yet have all this crazy chronic back pain. And so people crazy chronic back pain. And so people crazy chronic back pain. And so people can live with a bulged disc and and for can live with a bulged disc and and for can live with a bulged disc and and for the most part be pretty healthy and fit. the most part be pretty healthy and fit. the most part be pretty healthy and fit. He's doing a lot of the right things. I He's doing a lot of the right things. I He's doing a lot of the right things. I just I think the next level or advice I just I think the next level or advice I just I think the next level or advice I have for you guys is just being more have for you guys is just being more have for you guys is just being more mindful of the like the week to week mindful of the like the week to week mindful of the like the week to week what's going on. He's he's not changing what's going on. He's he's not changing what's going on. He's he's not changing his job. That's going to happen. You his job. That's going to happen. You his job. That's going to happen. You know what I'm saying? He's those things know what I'm saying? He's those things know what I'm saying? He's those things are so he can't control whether he's are so he can't control whether he's are so he can't control whether he's going to have stress or not. He's going to have stress or not. He's going to have stress or not. He's probably not going to get a lot of probably not going to get a lot of probably not going to get a lot of sleep, but knowing that, hey, this was sleep, but knowing that, hey, this was sleep, but knowing that, hey, this was an extra stressful week. This was also an extra stressful week. This was also an extra stressful week. This was also an extra not good night of rest and this an extra not good night of rest and this an extra not good night of rest and this is also the day I would have went and is also the day I would have went and is also the day I would have went and done that cycling for x amount of miles. done that cycling for x amount of miles. done that cycling for x amount of miles. Not a good day to do that. you know, Not a good day to do that. you know, Not a good day to do that. you know, >> if you do get an image, if you do get >> if you do get an image, if you do get >> if you do get an image, if you do get scans done, make sure that they look at scans done, make sure that they look at scans done, make sure that they look at everything, not just discs, but if is everything, not just discs, but if is everything, not just discs, but if is there spinal stenosis, there spinal stenosis, there spinal stenosis, uh, can we look at the the the the uh, can we look at the the the the uh, can we look at the the the the narrowing of the canal, not just if narrowing of the canal, not just if narrowing of the canal, not just if there's a disc, because there's a lot of there's a disc, because there's a lot of there's a disc, because there's a lot of things that could cause uh pressure on things that could cause uh pressure on things that could cause uh pressure on the nerve. Uh, so if you do go pay out the nerve. Uh, so if you do go pay out the nerve. Uh, so if you do go pay out of pocket, you know, make sure you say, of pocket, you know, make sure you say, of pocket, you know, make sure you say, okay, are we looking at everything, not okay, are we looking at everything, not okay, are we looking at everything, not just like the discs? just like the discs? just like the discs? >> Okay. All right. Uh, in that case, can I >> Okay. All right. Uh, in that case, can I >> Okay. All right. Uh, in that case, can I ask you a last question about just more ask you a last question about just more ask you a last question about just more general fitness and nutrition because I general fitness and nutrition because I general fitness and nutrition because I don't know if you can see how much he don't know if you can see how much he don't know if you can see how much he does. This is a person who never sits does. This is a person who never sits does. This is a person who never sits down at the I mean at work he sits down down at the I mean at work he sits down down at the I mean at work he sits down a lot. It's very sedentary. He spends a lot. It's very sedentary. He spends a lot. It's very sedentary. He spends the whole weekend gardening. Uh, even the whole weekend gardening. Uh, even the whole weekend gardening. Uh, even when he's watching telly once a week, he when he's watching telly once a week, he when he's watching telly once a week, he does the ironing at the same time. He does the ironing at the same time. He does the ironing at the same time. He never sits down. [laughter] >> So, he can see that I'm doing weights at >> So, he can see that I'm doing weights at the moment. I'm on your concierge the moment. I'm on your concierge the moment. I'm on your concierge coaching program. Oh, good. coaching program. Oh, good. coaching program. Oh, good. >> Which I'd be really happy to say >> Which I'd be really happy to say >> Which I'd be really happy to say something about if there's time at the something about if there's time at the something about if there's time at the end of the call. Um, so he hears me and end of the call. Um, so he hears me and end of the call. Um, so he hears me and sees me doing weights. Um, and he he's sees me doing weights. Um, and he he's sees me doing weights. Um, and he he's the kind of person who thinks he's never the kind of person who thinks he's never the kind of person who thinks he's never doing enough. doing enough. doing enough. >> How much should he be doing? You know, >> How much should he be doing? You know, >> How much should he be doing? You know, he's probably doing a set of pull-ups he's probably doing a set of pull-ups he's probably doing a set of pull-ups every day and some kind of random upper every day and some kind of random upper every day and some kind of random upper body weights once or twice a week. It body weights once or twice a week. It body weights once or twice a week. It What should he be doing? More, less, What should he be doing? More, less, What should he be doing? More, less, none? What do you think? none? What do you think? none? What do you think? >> I think I'm looking at it and it looks >> I think I'm looking at it and it looks >> I think I'm looking at it and it looks okay, but I think the sleep is the big okay, but I think the sleep is the big okay, but I think the sleep is the big issue. issue. issue. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I'm going to keep pointing in that >> I'm going to keep pointing in that >> I'm going to keep pointing in that direction. Um I think the sleep is the direction. Um I think the sleep is the direction. Um I think the sleep is the big because he's doing a lot of big because he's doing a lot of big because he's doing a lot of activity. activity. activity. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's moving along. Um and so I I think >> He's moving along. Um and so I I think >> He's moving along. Um and so I I think if he sounds like I I to me it sounds if he sounds like I I to me it sounds if he sounds like I I to me it sounds like the challenge is going to be like the challenge is going to be like the challenge is going to be telling him what not to do. telling him what not to do. telling him what not to do. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. is that I so I think he's doing >> Right. is that I so I think he's doing >> Right. is that I so I think he's doing all great things and I so long as he's all great things and I so long as he's all great things and I so long as he's rested stress all that he just needs to rested stress all that he just needs to rested stress all that he just needs to be mindful at those times when this is be mindful at those times when this is be mindful at those times when this is peak stress at work this is the most the peak stress at work this is the most the peak stress at work this is the most the least optimal sleep we've been getting least optimal sleep we've been getting least optimal sleep we've been getting this is probably the time take it easy this is probably the time take it easy this is probably the time take it easy on the weights take it easy on the on the weights take it easy on the on the weights take it easy on the cycling you can still do it but just be cycling you can still do it but just be cycling you can still do it but just be mindful of it this is don't push that mindful of it this is don't push that mindful of it this is don't push that extra mile of cycling don't increase the extra mile of cycling don't increase the extra mile of cycling don't increase the weight on the overhead press today you weight on the overhead press today you weight on the overhead press today you know know know >> Sophie if he did if he went from 6 to 7 >> Sophie if he did if he went from 6 to 7 >> Sophie if he did if he went from 6 to 7 hours of sleep at night and change hours of sleep at night and change hours of sleep at night and change nothing else. It would be lifechanging. nothing else. It would be lifechanging. nothing else. It would be lifechanging. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It would be within a week. It would be >> It would be within a week. It would be >> It would be within a week. It would be life-changing. Strength gains. He'd have life-changing. Strength gains. He'd have life-changing. Strength gains. He'd have mental clarity, less pain. It would feel mental clarity, less pain. It would feel mental clarity, less pain. It would feel like he just uh took 10 years got 10 like he just uh took 10 years got 10 like he just uh took 10 years got 10 years younger. One more hour of sleep. years younger. One more hour of sleep. years younger. One more hour of sleep. If he could prioritize that, it would If he could prioritize that, it would If he could prioritize that, it would make all the difference in the world. make all the difference in the world. make all the difference in the world. >> Yeah. When is he doing his work? I'm >> Yeah. When is he doing his work? I'm >> Yeah. When is he doing his work? I'm assuming he must be doing these workouts assuming he must be doing these workouts assuming he must be doing these workouts before work. Is that what he does he get before work. Is that what he does he get before work. Is that what he does he get up really early or something? What does up really early or something? What does up really early or something? What does he do? he do? he do? >> Yes, he gets up really early. He would >> Yes, he gets up really early. He would >> Yes, he gets up really early. He would be he okay he would be better off s be he okay he would be better off s be he okay he would be better off s getting some of sleeping in doing less getting some of sleeping in doing less getting some of sleeping in doing less less less less >> and less activity. >> and less activity. >> and less activity. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> So if if he's sacrificing sleep to go do >> So if if he's sacrificing sleep to go do >> So if if he's sacrificing sleep to go do this stuff that's not good. this stuff that's not good. this stuff that's not good. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> If if if that's impeding on an extra >> If if if that's impeding on an extra >> If if if that's impeding on an extra hour hour hour >> going to bed early. I mean I don't know >> going to bed early. I mean I don't know >> going to bed early. I mean I don't know what the what your guys' lifestyle looks what the what your guys' lifestyle looks what the what your guys' lifestyle looks like but like but like but >> Well, he tries. I mean we go um he >> Well, he tries. I mean we go um he >> Well, he tries. I mean we go um he probably probably probably >> goes to bed but doesn't fall asleep >> goes to bed but doesn't fall asleep >> goes to bed but doesn't fall asleep sometime between 9 and 10. And then he sometime between 9 and 10. And then he sometime between 9 and 10. And then he gets up either at 4:00 or at 5. Yeah. gets up either at 4:00 or at 5. Yeah. gets up either at 4:00 or at 5. Yeah. >> And he does maybe half an hour of >> And he does maybe half an hour of >> And he does maybe half an hour of mobility and then he cycles to work or mobility and then he cycles to work or mobility and then he cycles to work or part way. part way. part way. >> Yeah. So So what you would do, Sophie's >> Yeah. So So what you would do, Sophie's >> Yeah. So So what you would do, Sophie's uh cuz he sounds like uh a guy whose uh cuz he sounds like uh a guy whose uh cuz he sounds like uh a guy whose mind is racing. He's got a lot of ideas. mind is racing. He's got a lot of ideas. mind is racing. He's got a lot of ideas. It's hard to kind of wind down. Uh so It's hard to kind of wind down. Uh so It's hard to kind of wind down. Uh so what I would do is when he gets home, what I would do is when he gets home, what I would do is when he gets home, it's going to sound funny. Uh do do you it's going to sound funny. Uh do do you it's going to sound funny. Uh do do you work, Sophie? Are you are you uh work, Sophie? Are you are you uh work, Sophie? Are you are you uh >> Yes, I work. Yeah, I work mostly from >> Yes, I work. Yeah, I work mostly from >> Yes, I work. Yeah, I work mostly from home online. Okay. [clears throat] home online. Okay. [clears throat] home online. Okay. [clears throat] >> So what what you would do is when he >> So what what you would do is when he >> So what what you would do is when he comes home, it's candle light. Uh that comes home, it's candle light. Uh that comes home, it's candle light. Uh that makes a big difference. No electronics. makes a big difference. No electronics. makes a big difference. No electronics. Uh, we're reading paper books. I mean, Uh, we're reading paper books. I mean, Uh, we're reading paper books. I mean, this sounds silly, but for people this sounds silly, but for people this sounds silly, but for people serenative, serenative, serenative, >> I love that [laughter] idea. And And >> I love that [laughter] idea. And And >> I love that [laughter] idea. And And what what shall I do with my two what what shall I do with my two what what shall I do with my two teenagers? Well, teenagers? Well, teenagers? Well, >> oh, yeah. Yeah, I I [laughter] forgot to >> oh, yeah. Yeah, I I [laughter] forgot to >> oh, yeah. Yeah, I I [laughter] forgot to ask you that. Well, that throws a whole ask you that. Well, that throws a whole ask you that. Well, that throws a whole wrench wrench wrench >> who both have exams at the moment. >> who both have exams at the moment. >> who both have exams at the moment. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, you get >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, you get >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, you get the idea is like you create this kind of the idea is like you create this kind of the idea is like you create this kind of environment that brings the CNS down. environment that brings the CNS down. environment that brings the CNS down. Yeah. which allows them to fall asleep. Yeah. which allows them to fall asleep. Yeah. which allows them to fall asleep. Because what happens is we we we hit the Because what happens is we we we hit the Because what happens is we we we hit the pillow pillow pillow >> and then we accept our like we expect >> and then we accept our like we expect >> and then we accept our like we expect our bodies to be like ready for sleep our bodies to be like ready for sleep our bodies to be like ready for sleep >> when it takes about an hour or two for >> when it takes about an hour or two for >> when it takes about an hour or two for our bodies to prepare for sleep. And our bodies to prepare for sleep. And our bodies to prepare for sleep. And that has to do with things like light, that has to do with things like light, that has to do with things like light, the light that you're exposed to, the light that you're exposed to, the light that you're exposed to, activity. So what you can do then activity. So what you can do then activity. So what you can do then instead of candle light, this is what my instead of candle light, this is what my instead of candle light, this is what my wife does and it works really well is we wife does and it works really well is we wife does and it works really well is we got salt lamps and we put them in the got salt lamps and we put them in the got salt lamps and we put them in the house and we turn our lights down and we house and we turn our lights down and we house and we turn our lights down and we go we go by salt lamps and it's a nice go we go by salt lamps and it's a nice go we go by salt lamps and it's a nice glow. It's a really nice environment. glow. It's a really nice environment. glow. It's a really nice environment. Um, and it does help everybody sleep Um, and it does help everybody sleep Um, and it does help everybody sleep better. So, something like that, less better. So, something like that, less better. So, something like that, less electronics, electronics, electronics, um, and just kind of wind down and, you um, and just kind of wind down and, you um, and just kind of wind down and, you know, show him this and, hey, look, he know, show him this and, hey, look, he know, show him this and, hey, look, he sounds like a a very focused focused sounds like a a very focused focused sounds like a a very focused focused individual, you know, do a 30-day individual, you know, do a 30-day individual, you know, do a 30-day challenge. 30-day challenge of seven challenge. 30-day challenge of seven challenge. 30-day challenge of seven hours of sleep at night and see what hours of sleep at night and see what hours of sleep at night and see what happens. He it would be it'll it'll blow happens. He it would be it'll it'll blow happens. He it would be it'll it'll blow his mind at the improvement he feels his mind at the improvement he feels his mind at the improvement he feels from that. from that. from that. >> All right, I'll try that. Thanks so much >> All right, I'll try that. Thanks so much >> All right, I'll try that. Thanks so much for the advice. for the advice. for the advice. >> You got it, Sophie. And then I'm glad >> You got it, Sophie. And then I'm glad >> You got it, Sophie. And then I'm glad you're enjoying the you're enjoying the you're enjoying the >> Yeah. Yeah. How's the concier going? >> Yeah. Yeah. How's the concier going? >> Yeah. Yeah. How's the concier going? >> Oh, yeah. Okay. So, I wanted to say um >> Oh, yeah. Okay. So, I wanted to say um >> Oh, yeah. Okay. So, I wanted to say um I've been doing the concage coaching I've been doing the concage coaching I've been doing the concage coaching since January and that was to get help since January and that was to get help since January and that was to get help with reverse dieting because I lost some with reverse dieting because I lost some with reverse dieting because I lost some weight last year. I wanted to reverse weight last year. I wanted to reverse weight last year. I wanted to reverse diet. I thought that that was terrifying diet. I thought that that was terrifying diet. I thought that that was terrifying and uh it's just a shout out for your and uh it's just a shout out for your and uh it's just a shout out for your coaches. I've spoken to Tyler, to coaches. I've spoken to Tyler, to coaches. I've spoken to Tyler, to Marissa, to Cole, uh Cole especially. I Marissa, to Cole, uh Cole especially. I Marissa, to Cole, uh Cole especially. I think it's not a given that this fit think it's not a given that this fit think it's not a given that this fit 21-year-old guy on the west coast of 21-year-old guy on the west coast of 21-year-old guy on the west coast of America is going to relate in some way America is going to relate in some way America is going to relate in some way to a 55year-old uh woman in the UK with to a 55year-old uh woman in the UK with to a 55year-old uh woman in the UK with two teenagers. So I think your your two teenagers. So I think your your two teenagers. So I think your your coaches have great knowledge and coaches have great knowledge and coaches have great knowledge and coaching skills, but also they're good coaching skills, but also they're good coaching skills, but also they're good at listening and adapting and they have at listening and adapting and they have at listening and adapting and they have really good communication skills. Um, really good communication skills. Um, really good communication skills. Um, and what's really nice, I think, kind of and what's really nice, I think, kind of and what's really nice, I think, kind of just coming back to my ethos point at just coming back to my ethos point at just coming back to my ethos point at the beginning is that I feel like the beginning is that I feel like the beginning is that I feel like everyone's singing from the same hymn everyone's singing from the same hymn everyone's singing from the same hymn sheet. sheet. sheet. >> So, I find that really reassuring that >> So, I find that really reassuring that >> So, I find that really reassuring that if I listen to your podcast, I hear one if I listen to your podcast, I hear one if I listen to your podcast, I hear one thing, your coaches are saying the same thing, your coaches are saying the same thing, your coaches are saying the same thing and I've seen really great thing and I've seen really great thing and I've seen really great results. So, I want to say thank you for results. So, I want to say thank you for results. So, I want to say thank you for that. I think it's that. I think it's that. I think it's >> incred incredible feedback. >> incred incredible feedback. >> incred incredible feedback. >> Thank you, Sophie. Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Sophie. Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Sophie. Thank you so much. Whenever if you ever hear somebody Whenever if you ever hear somebody Whenever if you ever hear somebody compliment you on your kids, that's how compliment you on your kids, that's how compliment you on your kids, that's how we feel right now. I appreciate that. we feel right now. I appreciate that. we feel right now. I appreciate that. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> They're great. They are great. Thank you >> They're great. They are great. Thank you >> They're great. They are great. Thank you so much. so much. so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> Byebye. >> Byebye. >> Byebye. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> That's the best thing to hear. >> That's the best thing to hear. >> That's the best thing to hear. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> By the way, especially on a concier >> By the way, especially on a concier >> By the way, especially on a concier because concier you get you could get because concier you get you could get because concier you get you could get different coaches each time. different coaches each time. different coaches each time. >> And so >> And so >> And so >> it's a lower cost version for people. >> it's a lower cost version for people. >> it's a lower cost version for people. But you and you're so working with But you and you're so working with But you and you're so working with different coaches each time. But different coaches each time. But different coaches each time. But >> but so the fact that they they they all >> but so the fact that they they they all >> but so the fact that they they they all are that that tells me they're doing a are that that tells me they're doing a are that that tells me they're doing a great job of communicating with each great job of communicating with each great job of communicating with each other with keeping notes on all the other with keeping notes on all the other with keeping notes on all the clients and stuff like that. And then of clients and stuff like that. And then of clients and stuff like that. And then of course what she's saying. So that's course what she's saying. So that's course what she's saying. So that's awesome. awesome. awesome. >> Y All right. I know you like that >> Y All right. I know you like that >> Y All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. episode. If you did, check this one out. episode. If you did, check this one out. Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit body fat. body fat. body fat. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> You want to get there? Let's talk about >> You want to get there? Let's talk about >> You want to get there? Let's talk about it. it. it. >> Difficult. And [music] is it worth it? >> Difficult. And [music] is it worth it? >> Difficult. And [music] is it worth it? That's a follow-up question. That's a follow-up question. That's a follow-up question. >> Yeah. First off, we got to say, okay, so >> Yeah. First off, we got to say, okay, so >> Yeah. First off, we got to say, okay, so singledigit body fat, obviously body fat singledigit body fat, obviously body fat singledigit body fat, obviously body fat percentages, uh that could be percentages, uh that could be percentages, uh that could be represented by one digit, like 3%, 5%, represented by one digit, like 3%, 5%, represented by one digit, like 3%, 5%, 6%, 9%. That's uh ripped for men. For 6%, 9%. That's uh ripped for men. For 6%, 9%. That's uh ripped for men. For women, women, women, >> add 10%. >> add 10%. >> add 10%. >> Yeah. Don't. Yeah. Exactly.