The Only Good Reason to Fast | Mind Pump 2938

Key Takeaway

Do not use fasting as your primary fat-loss strategy. Instead, use it intentionally: if you have no history of restrictive eating, try an occasional 24-hour fast on a day when eating well would be difficult anyway, such as travel. Notice the difference between true hunger and cravings, then return to a normal, protein- and fiber-rich diet. If fasting triggers restriction, bingeing, or anxiety around food, skip it entirely.

Episode Overview

The hosts argue that fasting is often misused for weight loss and can be especially risky for people with restrictive or disordered eating patterns. They outline more appropriate uses—spiritual practice, reducing food attachment, short-term gut relief, and certain medically supervised conditions—before answering listener questions on pull-ups, protein intake, injury recovery, and rear-delt training.

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For thousands of years, would you have, you would categorize that as a dietary strategy? Yes. It still was. Yeah, so it's one of the earliest documented strategies of changing your diet was fasting. They wrote about it to cure, but they didn't know what it was, but epilepsy. So it was a medical intervention that was written about, I don't know, 3,000 years ago, maybe? Really? Yes. I didn't know for the medical purposes, it went that far back. I know it went for purposes further back for other reasons, but not for that.

No, it was used, there's some documentation that they used it for seizures. I don't remember what they would call it, but how they- Yeah, we've known that, but I didn't know, thousands of years. Yeah, and they noticed that when they would withhold food, that it would alleviate some of these things. So it's been documented. It's like one of the first and only dietary strategies. Doug, are you fact-checking him? Yeah. Yeah, do that, I didn't know that. Yeah, so make sure I'm right. Thanks, Doug. Yeah, pretty sure I am.

I'm fact-checking. 500 BC, so there's about 2,500 years. Ancient Greece, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Wow. The fasting, scroll up, the oldest recorded treatment for epilepsy, it is documented in the Hippocratic Collections, and that's where it was, where a man with seizures was reportedly cured by completely avoiding food. They didn't think it was just demons? Now, do you think this, what was happening for spiritual purposes first, and then they had some sort of correlation, probably? No, the Hippocratic Collection was, these were literal medical interventions, before modern, way before modern medicine.

So this is like observations on things like lifestyle and diet and how it can help certain things. So that's what I mean, though, because we did not have the medical tools and science back then to be able to probably prove what was happening. They must have said, man, for some reason, these guys that during these periods where they fast for spiritual reasons, we noticed their seizures are mild or they don't have them at all, right? Wouldn't that be- Not as many flare-ups? No, so fasting as a spiritual practice was, and we'll get to this, I mean, it's recorded in the Bible, both the Old Testament and the New Testament.

It's also recorded in other spiritual practices, but I believe, maybe you could look this up, earliest spiritual use of fasting. I would look that up, Doug, and see what that is. But for spiritual purposes, it's been around for a long time. Fasting was never used to lose weight. So let's see. 1500 BC. Oh, there you go. So that was a long time ago. Right, so that's what I'm saying. So for 1,000 years before we figured this out, and the way we figured it out was not through some sort of medical tool or that, it's that we had somebody who had observed people that were probably fasting for spiritual reasons who also had seizures and they were mild.

I don't know what the reason was for, I would assume. That's a good guess, I would say. But that's the first time it was documented as a dietary intervention for anything other than, let's say, spiritual practices, which is kind of interesting. There's definitely two ways fasting can be used incorrectly, and it just so happens to be these are the ways that people use them today, popular reasons. Number one is for body composition change. Fasting is not a great, effective, awesome way to get leaner or to change your body composition.

It has the same effectiveness as any other diet. In other words, it's not effective. People fall off and it doesn't work. It's kind of an extreme method. And in fact, if you compare it head-to-head with better ways of body composition change, let's say working with a coach and hitting a high-protein diet and monitoring macros and stuff, it typically results in more muscle loss is what you see in the data. But aside from that, it's no more effective than going on a keto diet or going on some other diet that you read about where you dramatically alter your diet to try to lose weight.

It's got the same effect. There's no magic to it. I just think people rediscovered starving themselves and noticed the scale went down and said this is a great way. It's just calorie restriction at the end of the day. That's it. Well, would you argue too that it's probably one of the worst because it is so restrictive? I think it can be one of the worst for the second reason. Here's the second reason. It is a terrible approach for any reason for people with a history of restricting.

And this is why I think people in the fitness industry often tout fasting. What you have in the fitness industry is a bit of a self-selection bias of people with body image issues, dysfunctional eating, and they find this method of restricting that now they can label as this healthy way of restricting instead of saying I skip meals and starve myself, they say I fast. If you have a history of restricting, whether it's anorexia or bulimia, do not fast for any reason. This is a great way to feel all this awesome control that you get from restricting and relabeling it as something that's not dysfunctional, which can really take you down a horrible path.

So anytime I had somebody who questioned me or asked questions about fasting and I knew they had a history of eating disorder, it's like no. It would be like giving an ex-heroin addict Vicodin. Yeah, like oh, you injured yourself, here's some Vicodin, knowing that they were addicted to heroin before. Like what are you doing? Terrible idea. So to me, that's kind of the obvious extreme version, but I think there's an even lesser version of that that maybe more people fall into, which is like, I mean, we talked about this, we've talked about this many times, how when we would assess somebody's diet, almost always, especially my female clients, were under-consuming macronutrients they needed, like protein, for example, healthy fats.

You just made it way harder. And a lot of times, these people were like breakfast skippers. Coffee for breakfast, didn't eat their first meal till noon, and so this would be considered a form of fasting. Now, this person didn't necessarily have some sort of an eating disorder or have this terrible relation to food. They just found it convenient that they skipped breakfast and it worked for their lifestyle. And oh, by the way, it's being marketed as a great way to be healthy or fit and here's all these positive benefits.

And so I actually think that outside of the obvious thing that you're talking about, like eating disorders and people that really shouldn't be doing this, there's a large percentage of people that shouldn't be doing this who think that they have an okay relationship with food because it is really difficult to take the average client and close their window to an eight-hour eating window and hit their target macros. So you don't necessarily need to have this past of binge or bulimia or anorexia to necessarily this be bad for you.

I think it's bad for a lot of our clients because they already struggled with hitting the macros in the first place. Yeah, and I think that's gonna be the people that have the most pushback because they've figured out that I can eat within this window and I can keep my calories as such and I can keep my body weight contained. But to your point, I really don't feel like they're probably hitting their macros to the degree that they need to, especially protein. It's really hard to cram in that much good, solid, whole food, animal-sourced protein to do that with.

You're gonna have to eat huge meals. Yeah, and to put it differently, these are people that need to add to their diet and not take away. Right. And oftentimes, that's what you see with the clients. You look at their diet and go, we gotta add fiber, we gotta add protein, we gotta add healthy fats, and now they're like, okay, can we do this in my seven-hour eating window? It's like, ooh, you already miss it. And now we're gonna make it far more difficult. And what we see more often, and I think that it ends up happening to these people that justify these eight-hour windows or whatever window they're giving themselves, is low to no calories and then they moderate to small lunch, they finally eat, and then they huge dinner, and a lot of times, it's driven by cravings because they've gone so long without any calories or food, cravings spike up like crazy, and then the choices that they make are rarely these, because if they could hit the healthy food choices, then maybe they would be okay or better off than most people, but really what ends up happening is they get used to skipping their breakfast, they're not eating a ton of calories, but when they do eat a lot of calories, they're coming from those ideal sources.

Here's what I've seen in many, many people, because fasting in the health and fitness space has now been popular for at least 10 years, if not 15. Here's what I've seen with many people. People who had non-dysfunctional eating patterns with fasting turned into restrictive binge eating patterns. Normal guy, like I got a buddy who tells me this, and he fasts every day and he goes, and I'm like, what do you do for dinner then? Oh, I eat a massive dinner. So he's literally gotten himself to a point where he restricts and binges when that wasn't an issue before.

Now there are reasons why fasting can be beneficial. None of them have to do with body composition though, but there are definitely reasons why fasting can be quite beneficial. The first one, we talked about this earlier, spiritual purposes. It's been in spiritual practices for a long time. It's been in almost, I think every major religion has fasting in some way, shape, or form as a spiritual practice. I know in the Christian faith, it's used to, what they would say, to weaken the flesh. Detachment. So you're taking away this, and when you're hungry, it weakens you and it can help you turn to spiritual comfort and to methods like meditation much more readily.

So for spiritual purposes, there's real value. It's been used for a long time. So if you're trying to enhance or strengthen your spiritual health and you're on this journey, fasting has actual benefits. Well, I think too, it gives you that opportunity to get more of a bird's eye view. And we use this sometimes when we're assessing our own business. Sometimes you gotta get outside of your business to really assess what's going on. I feel like giving yourself the opportunity to see your patterns and behaviors outside of being inside it, I think is very valuable for people.

Totally. How would you explain this to somebody, to a secular person, how would you unpack the spiritual benefits for someone who, let's say, doesn't care for the spiritual benefits? In other words, the way I look at it, and you'll probably be able to articulate this better than me, but it's like, fasting from food is the entry level to learning detachment, right? It's like, we all need to eat every single day, so it's this easy, low-level, like restrict from food, and we know that you'd be fine not eating for days and be totally okay, but take discipline and detachment and say to do it.

And really, what you're learning to do is detach from things like that. And so there's other ways that you can apply that to your life. Like, so how would you explain that to someone? No, 100%. So that's actually kind of the second point, which is to help with food attachment. So you can fast from lots of things, right? You can fast from tech, you can fast from work, you can fast from things that you feel like maybe have a little bit more control of your life than you'd wish.

But with fasting, a lot of us are attached to food. food, we're attached to lunch or dinner or eating when we're anxious or stressed or like I was, like I couldn't skip a meal because, oh my God, I'm going to lose muscle. I've got to always feed myself because I've got to be big all the time. So fasting for me was profoundly beneficial for food attachment. This is before I was a Christian. This is like I was atheist at this point, but I remember experiencing that food detachment from fasting.

up until this point, ever since I was 15 years old, it was like I've got to feed myself every three hours because I've got to get bigger and if I miss a meal, it really bothered me. I feel like I'm getting skinnier. Like what's going on? I remember the first time I fasted for 24 hours and I didn't just lose, you know, crazy amounts of muscle off my body. It was very freeing. So that's kind of the experience. Now for other people, it could be, oh my gosh, you know, I get hangry at lunchtime.

Really what it is, you expect to eat and you're not. And when it happens, you skip lunch and you do that and then you skip dinner. Like, wait a minute, I'm not hangry because I'm expecting not to eat or when I'm bored, I like to eat. What do I got to do? Okay, now I'm bored. I'm not reaching for the food because I'm fasting today. This is actually helping me deal with my boredom in a completely different way. So it's that food attachment that it could definitely help with.

Now, there's some great medical reasons why fasting can be beneficial. The easiest one off the top of my head is for gut health issues. This is like, you've got bloat, you've got digestive issues, constipation, heartburn, and you're like, essentially, and I hate using this term because it's such a bastardized term, but you want to reset things. Giving it a break at least. Give it a break. Let that inflammation come down and then reintroduce foods one at a time in a very slow fashion to kind of see what's going on.

To me, this is the best argument for almost everybody doing a fast once a month or once a quarter. I think there's, outside of the people that have restricting issues that we talked about earlier, I would argue that for health, longevity, all the benefits that are touted from fasting, you can reap all those in a single 24-hour fast and running a 24 or 48-hour fast once every couple months. It probably has profound and tremendous value for it, and then also get some of these other values too of detachment and those other practices.

I think there's a case to be made, and obviously for gut health and resetting that, but I think there's a case to be made for everybody to possibly do it for that reason, unless you fall in the category of people that have those eating disorders. I know for me, even now, my gut health is so much better than it used to be, but if I have some gut health issues, skipping a couple meals will fix it. It really tends to fix it. Even if it's healthy food, because sometimes, well, I'll eat something healthy, and it continues the gut inflammation, just skipping a couple meals, and then the next day, I'm totally back to normal.

This is documented in functional medicine practitioners. We use fasting in this way for certain gut health issues, so definitely beneficial. And then autoimmune issues. Now, it's not all autoimmune issues, but there's certain ones that have documented benefits like psoriasis, and I know you have this as an example. In fact, the data on psoriasis and fasting is pretty interesting. Oh, I always notice a huge difference. I mean, that was one of the best benefits of eating really, really low calorie or fasting like that. I mean, one of the ways that I like to do this, because it's not something that I do on a regular basis, is that, in my point of every month or every quarter or so, and I'm sure most people can relate to this, there always is this thing, a wedding, travel, something that comes up where getting to meals is just going to be hectic, and the choices are going to be bad.

And I just allow those to be, I go, this will be a great day to fast. I haven't fasted in a while. Yeah, I do the same thing. You might as well, right? Yeah, and a lot of times, it's taking Katrina a while for her to get used to that. With me, we'll be talking about stuff like that, and she'll be like, well, what do you want to do? We've got to do this, then we eat, and I'm like, when was the last time we fasted?

Let's just not eat that day. Like, just one day. It's been a while since we've done that. Totally fine to just do that. It's a perfect time to do it, because it's already going to be difficult. So instead of making some bad airport food choice, it's like, why don't we just chalk this up as, this is going to be a day that we decide to restrict from eating, and get all these benefits. Yes, dude, I was just on I-5, gas station food. It's just jerky. Jerky and nuts.

Zero fiber. It's the worst, dude. Yeah, so MS, psoriasis, and rheumatoid arthritis have the most data supporting fasting for symptoms. Lupus, not so good. In fact, there are certain autoimmune issues that can get worse with fasting, so educate yourself first. Now, in your opinion, because I have, because of my autoimmune, I've played with this quite a bit, and what I haven't been able to tee down, again, this is all Ando, this is myself personally, so I'm curious to your opinion. The research around this, is it because they're looking at a 20-far window, and there's this acute difference?

Because I would argue that I see just as much value, if not more value, running four or five days in a row of just really low calories. Yes, and I'm glad you said that. So when you look at the date, depending on the situation, but in many cases, restricting calories will mimic the effects of fasting. In fact, that's the last one, which is before and during chemotherapy, which is really interesting. Dr. Valter Longo, seeing the data, because here's what the data shows. By the way, you have to be right for this, because I've been around people with cancer, and in some cases, fasting is just not possible.

Sure. You're already underway. It depends on the type. Yeah, you're underway, tons of sarcopenia, fasting will actually be very dangerous, so we can't do that. But in some cases, you can do it, and what they find in the data is the cancer responds much more favorably to the chemo, so you kill more of the cancer, and the healthy cells seem to respond better as well. You kill less of the healthy cells on chemo, and what Dr. Valter Longo did is he discovered that having a restricted calorie diet gave you the same effects.

Rather than having people completely fast for 72 hours, he does what's called a fasting mimicking diet, which comes out to like 400 calories. Yeah, he was four or 500 for five days or seven days. So it's a lot like what you said, just restricting calories a lot. Yeah, because I've noticed these same, like I said, again, mine is anecdotal, is I've noticed that, okay, I could do this 24, 48 hour fast, I see this acute reduction in inflammation, I see my psoriasis improve immediately, but I also see that same thing too, if I just say, hey, this week I'm going to run really low calorie.

And it doesn't even have to be actually that extreme, to be honest with you, it just has to be pretty good of a diet. So once I have myself in a pretty solid deficit for days in a row- And you get the benefit. I get the benefit. And the data's cool on psoriasis, bro. I was looking this up, and psoriasis has some of the most data supporting it, like really reduction in symptoms. So what you're experiencing is like what people tend to experience. Yeah. Well, I mean, remember, I don't know if you guys, when we tracked the whole GLP-1 process for me, one of the big positives I got- Psoriasis was way down.

Oh, yeah. It was the best my psoriasis, but I mean, God, I was eating hardly anything. Yeah, I know. Yeah. So I lost a ton of muscle, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I got no zympic face and all those things. Oh, my psoriasis was great, you know what I'm saying? So I was like, uh, you know, we'll see. I don't want to be jacked. Yeah. But I'd be a little itchy, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, so there, I mean, but to me, I've kind of found that I've learned that balance a little more, is that if I stay, if I try and keep more of my days in a slight deficit than I do in a maintenance or surplus, it tends to keep it at bay.

Here's what I noticed from fasting personally, and there's not a lot of data to support this. The data points more towards a ketogenic diet, but fasting will put you in ketosis, so it's probably connected. I can make myself sharper by fasting. So if I'm doing like a podcast circuit, which sometimes I'll do, you know, the company will fly me down to LA or something. I'll do three or four shows, you know, back to back, and I want to be sharp for each one and do a good job.

Not eating tends to give me more energy and keep me sharper in the podcast than if I was eating my normal meals throughout the day. So I just noticed that. There's got to be some benefits of that too, even because, you know, how Alzheimer's, dementia, like as far as like that being like the diabetes three or whatever, like, you know, being able to shift into ketosis for everybody, I feel like at least at some point would be beneficial. Yeah, I think, you know, unless you fall into the categories of what we said earlier, I'd say go for it.

You know, here's the interesting thing, and again, it's so difficult to parse this out because here's what we tend to do in modern societies. We'll take the side effect of something and make it the main effect. So what's the side effect of not eating? You lose weight. Cool. That's the thing. That's the reason why I'm going to focus on that. But I tell you what, if you grew up in a modern society, you grew up in America, the odds are you've probably never really been hungry.

Now, yes, there's definitely people that have experienced that, but most people in a modern society, I mean, the odds that you'll die of overeating are far higher than of starvation. So the average person has never really felt. Yeah, they've had cravings, but they haven't really been hungry. Yeah, like when you don't eat for 48 hours, 72 hours, most people have never done that. And I think it's a good experience for people. It is because you start to learn the difference between cravings and hunger. Totally. Up until that point.

It's very different. Up until that point, I would have defined what was cravings as hunger always. Oh, yeah, I'm hungry. I'm hungry. Oh, it's been six hours since I ate. I'm hungry. You know, so it's like, no, I'm craving. No wonder. I'm used to eating every three to four hours, and so that's what's going on. No, here's the difference. When you're hungry, you'll eat anything. Anything, yeah. Like, give me anything, I'll eat it. When you have a craving, there's certain things you'll eat and certain things you won't.

Especially as you push to 48 and 72 hours. I remember how wild day two was of the fast. Day two of the fast is like almost easier. Yeah. Like day one, it's a lot of that mental battle and struggle of like, am I really hungry? Is this craving? It's like, oh, you're kind of white knuckling a little bit to get past. And then all of a sudden it starts to pass. Then you wake up the second day and I'm like, I feel energetic. I don't feel hungry.

It's a weird, weird feeling. And then I feel like once I get to day three. That's when I start. Yeah, then I'm starting. Then I'm like counting the hours down. It's like, oh, when do I get to eat that first meal? That's the longest I do. And then like you said, broth sounds good. Dude, broccoli. I don't care what it is. I'll eat it. I feel good about it. So true. Interesting. All right. So I got some cool, speaking of food, I got some really good data on comparing grass-fed meat to regular meat.

So here's one of the challenges when you're comparing the two, right? Because you'll hear people criticize grass-fed meat. They'll say, okay, yeah, it's got more omega-3s. It's got more of these nutrients. It's got less of this, but it's not that big of a difference. Okay. If you're comparing one meal, then yeah, it doesn't make that big of a difference. But if you eat a lot of meat like I do, it actually starts to add up. So here's what I did. I had AI give me, and I tried to be specific because the cut of meat can be very different.

Like a ribeye versus tri-tip versus ground beef is very different. So I said, okay, show me the difference between 90% grass-fed ground beef and 90% grain-fed ground beef, one pound a day over a week. What's the difference in the nutrients? So one pound a day is about what I would average. I eat at least a pound a day of red meat. So for me, this is realistic. Okay. And it adds up, right? So this is just a week, but you could add this up over a month and over a year to kind of see the difference.

And that's how dietary interventions really make a difference. It's the little changes over time. So I looked it up. So over the course of the week, it's about one and a half grams more omega-3 fatty acids, about one gram more of alpha linoleic acid. It's got about a half a gram more of EPA, DPA, and DHA, which is the long chain omega-3s. It's much lower in omega-6s, so less than half of the omega-6s, which can be inflammatory. CLA, so conjugated linoleic acid. I can't say that right.

Almost a gram more. Vitamin E, about two to three times higher. And then iron, zinc, and selenium, modestly higher, it said. So that's over one week. Yeah, but okay, I was just looking for my omegas because I wanted to bring... You just glossed over the amount of grams more you're having. How is that in comparison to if I were to... Oh, you're typically taking one gram to a day of an omega-3 fat. This is over a course of a week. But you do that over a month.

That's four grams. Do it over the course of two months. It adds up. It starts to add up, especially when you look at the CLA. CLA is one of the big differences. And CLA is a fatty acid that has athletic performance in fat. Remember when we used to sell CLA at 24 Fitness? Did you do the breakdown because the calories are different too? I did 90% one pound, so it's the same. If you get a half a pound of a ribeye with grass-fed versus a half a pound of ribeye, it's higher protein, less fat because it's leaner.

So even though they're both the same weight, it's going to be leaner. Yeah, you did an exact thing where I think you would see an even bigger difference if you would have just went pound for pound. No, you're right because that's more realistic. Yeah, that's more... I wanted to make it as scientific as possible. It's not like I... So I either eat an eight-ounce steak at the restaurant or I eat an eight-ounce grass-fed from my butcher box, you know what I'm saying? It's like, so I don't...

I go like, is that 97? So nobody does that. So it's like, to me, that's an even better comparison. You're right, it's more realistic. Yeah, which now you're starting to play with the difference of calories. Oh, you're like another 10 grams of protein. Yeah, higher protein. Less fat, lower calories, same pound of ribeye or whatever. Yeah. That's where the big difference... I've just tried... I mean, I've talked on the show many times about this, and I don't know if you're the same way. When we eat out at a restaurant, I enjoy some grain-fed beef.

Yeah, I don't ask for grass-fed. And then when I'm home, I'm cooking my butcher box. I live off of butcher box, and that's what we do. And I find that... That's 90% of what I eat is butcher box meat, is the grass. And it's all grass-fed in there. Yeah. And I'm eating like a pound a day. I eat a lot of red meat. So for me, it makes a difference. And I've done it where I've gone without butcher box for a while, and I can tell with inflammation.

Yeah, inflammation's a factor. Yeah, I can tell with my joints a little bit. You can notice too? Yeah, I can do... Yeah, definitely. I've messed with both too, just to see the difference. And yeah, you definitely feel a little more achy and inflamed. You know what would be a fun... We should do that. We've been with butcher box for so long. I'd like to just see what the four of our boxes look like. Oh, how different? I bet they look pretty similar. I don't know, because our base meal is probably a lot of ground meat.

Like, I'm sure you guys build everything off of that. I'm always chicken thighs in there. Same. I'm always ground beef in there. I'm always chicken nuggets in there. And I'm always baby back ribs in there. We don't do ribs. I probably have the most chicken... Yeah, I don't know how to make them. Ah, we just started doing the ribs. I don't know how to make them Everett loves us. I will I'll show you one time and then I feel like you'll barely figure it out I just don't make steak tips.

It's big for us You know what like I mean, I mean you there's days or you you're especially I think it's your Thursdays, right? We're your home all day with the kids. Is that that you're like, it's such a good thing for that cuz you just leave it Six hours you just set it on it wearing the oven. No. Well, you get a Traeger Yeah, you need like a nice tray. I don't have one. Yeah, you can afford one. I'm pretty sure They're not like crazy.

It's not like buying a car. You know, I know how much you mean. Yeah Pretty free. It's not a big deal for you. Go pick one up. Okay, you can pick one up In fact, you buy mine so I can upgrade mine So if you want I'll give you a hella good deal on my mentality is still stuck in the like when I make meals It's literally I look at the food and this is not the right way But it luckily my wife is she makes really good food.

But when I cook I look at it as protein. Yeah vegetables I I So relate to that is why I want to sell you so hard on the other side because I've I appreciate it When I eat with you guys and you guys cook Gourmet boys, but you guys see the food the meals I bring it's just like no No, I did I can I can connect listen. I was I'm the guy who was eating I was eating cold chicken and rice for like three years Like like you know six.

Oh, yeah, how do you ever do the tilapia? Oh, no, that was always that was like it No, I used to mock all them. Yeah, you did that I did because it's actually really easy to shovel down your face. And if you squirt lemon on it, it's extremely low calorie. It's Yeah, no, I was I so I was big on lean ground turkey instead So that was my way of cutting calories. So I would go when I was dieting for a show It would like during you know prep where I was like still at maintenance calories or above I'm eating ground beef ribeye all those things and then one of the way this is why sometimes it's so funny to me How bodybuilders really overcomplicate this with like changing it all weird I was just like we'll go from like allowing myself to have ribeyes to like having like I'll just change the cut Yeah, just change the cut like in consistency the meal stay the same.

It's like a perfect way to Yeah, and so and it's only a couple cuts and then when I get to the very end It was like, you know, I was eating some chicken breasts and ground turkey for a couple weeks Yeah, it wasn't like the whole prep. I had to eat that way. I'm like, I'm enjoying Healthy cuts you're different did I saw yeah, I just torture themselves, you know, why because it's in that world So much is like passed down You know, it's also an identity.

Do you think suffer it is? There's like a badge of honor to suffer and then and there's this like it's like it worked for so-and-so and he's he was the mr Olympia Coleman did it and so it's like yeah But when you actually just kind of break down the calories and the macros what he's doing You know, you could do different stuff and fit like something. Maybe you like in there like yeah No, I always thought it was dude, but I but I did have to travel a lot with my six seven meals Everywhere I went and so many times it was just cold I couldn't get to a microwave and so like we were talking about being on I-5 drives like I'd pull over and just Shovel some cold cold meat and sweet sweet potato.

I think sweet potatoes are probably the best cold That is that's the only one I could yeah There's one of the better ones, but I did I I got to Almost be okay builders of the 90s were the craziest if you could watch videos on straight can't you know? oil boiled chicken breasts rice and broccoli and then it was like tilapia and like a little bit of broccoli you used to blend like Tuna and your protein sheets, but that was because when I was younger, I was extremely dysfunctional So I just my goal I was trying to get more calories in and Logically, you could drink more than you can eat.

And so I'm like blend it. Yeah What bodybuilder or what? Because I know I thought about that, but I didn't do that I did a lot of other, you know bad things or what that to try did the wake up in the middle night Oh, yeah, I woke up in the middle night. I shoveled down double peanut butter jelly sandwiches Yeah, I mean I remember I remember times if I like Justin judging us right I love it But I ran to a buddy of eyes of our Shea at the gym yesterday I Haven't seen him in so many years.

So 25 years ago this guy worked for me, right? And so we just start talking and you see someone from that back then you did stories start coming out You start remembering things and we started talking about the speed stacks, oh, yeah a fedra drinks that we have yeah, and I Thought it was to a day that I would have and he's like no do you remember we would have one here one here I'm like, oh my god, do we exceeded? What would kill people yeah all the time and I'm like, I wonder and then he was telling me had some health problems I'm like, I hope that's Impact I know I know I know I did that to Justin, right?

Just think to of like working in that's like it was like a mandatory thing that I had my staff do I hired you That's the worst part. Yeah The company twice I don't really have any complaints it worked. Yeah, I mean me a tumor but we were literally drug pushers Yeah, hey speak. I so I haven't had a pre-workout in It I'd say probably a year maybe more just energy drinks or coffee. Yeah, I just right now I just do that, right? So I've just been doing I've been normally it's coffee in the morning then my energy drinks when I'm here and so I haven't had a private had a pre-workout in a really long time and It was I think it was just just recently.

It was like on a Saturday or something like that and I'd only had a cup of coffee and I'm like, oh I've got a lot a lot more caffeine I can intake before my workout. I'm like I got time like so I'm digging through my stuff I'm because I haven't I don't even know I know I have some like Katrina. Where's that? Where's the pre-workout? Oh, it's about the shelf appearance I pull it out and you know what happens to pre-workout when you have it had pre-workout for like it turns into a brick Oh, yeah And I'm sorry, but I got a butter knife in there and I'm like chopping like I'm like forget it Do it right so I took it and it was amazing because I had had anything like that And so I tell Katrina because I don't want to eat clumpy pre-workout.

I'm like, hey, could you have Jackie? Make sure she puts the Legion pre-workout in for me before I before I leave tomorrow. It was like the next day or whatever and So I get it and I'm like what is always so funny for me when I don't even know about our own partners and some Of the stuff they're doing but I don't know if you guys have had legions pre-workout recently or not I hadn't because I hadn't been doing So they actually which I think is brilliant and I don't know why everybody's do this I don't know why we didn't know this is a talking point because I think it's fire Each serving is in individual packets.

Oh, so it's not a so it's in a big bag There's single individual package. Oh, that's god. That's perfect. I'll take it to the gym. Yes, that's perfect Yes, and I don't know I mean I don't know what's fresh longer that cuz I like anybody who's had pre-workout for a long time and I know you go like is You definitely are a pre-workout guy. Like yeah, it gets clumpy. Yeah, and that's the most annoying thing But it's also the other part that's annoying is you it's okay.

It's not a big deal, but it's a right there Yeah, look at that. No, this this is also annoying and it's whatever you you deal with it But you have your jug of pre-workout and then that's what you carry with you to the gym Yeah, much rather have a little stick literally like it. Yeah. Wow, that's great I yeah, I had no idea Mike did that and I no one gave me the heads up and I was psyched super excited Go to the ingredients. So pulse is one of the higher caffeine Pre-workouts, right 300 milligrams.

Is that what it's at 350? 350 no 300. No. No, I think is it 350 could pull it up to 350. What's that top left? Isn't that caffeine? No Yes, well, he 50 Milligrams of caffeine plus theanine. Oh, wow. Yeah, so it's one of the higher so it's a strong pre-work Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's why so I the reason why I knew that too is because I was pretty workouts are 200 So I'll go so I have about 600 milligrams a day of caffeine and I I had my cup of coffee So I knew I had like 400 to spare.

Mm-hmm. And so my god, this would be a time to have a photo So do you notice a difference between? Just a regular energy drink that's got caffeine and then the pre-workout. Yeah, it does make a little bit I mean for sure what I what I can't tell you and I don't know Well, definitely because you're comparing something that's got 200 to 350. So it's got a hundred. It's almost double Oh, well the caffeine then you add in the fact. It's also got what we're all Yeah, let's show that makes your face tingle Which I'm not I'm not the biggest fan I mean, I like it once I'm into the workout But what I don't like and so and you probably have got this down to a science because you're you're so consistent with all This stuff, but I want it to hit when I'm into my lift already I don't want to hit what I'm driving over there and I'm like my face is itching Yeah, so it's like there definitely is like a timing to it you're like, okay ideally I think it's like finish it Just as I'm pulling into the drive That way by time I get my little walk and stretch in and I'm gonna hits I like it to is caffeine oftentimes Helps people poop.

So you let people talk about this in the morning that they'll have their coffee Yeah, that's the timing also so you got to do your pre-workout and you gotta make sure you get to the bathroom That's just that every day He drinks coffee or whatever on the way here Yes, and then it's like I just like yeah, I get there quick. So, you know, that's part of why I Teen with that. We're usually next to each other That's actually why a lot of times Monday Monday Tuesday Wednesday I won't have coffee is because of that because coffee does like I have to be near bathroom time It takes you too long to get here.

Yes. Yeah, and I don't want to be like that I don't want to be like Happens. I like my morning drive to be relaxing. This is my audio book You don't say maybe I make you some calls got it down to a science though. Like Justin never misses He comes so you must drink it at the yeah, but he looks dressed. I'm drinking like all my stress when he comes in He looks like yeah Rest but like that gets me up Sound like Doug bro chasing that cortisol.

I'm like Doug. Yeah, I'm just like trying to wind it up And so I'm like, hey, I'm gonna perform but then when I'm going home super chill, then I'll do the audio But I mean how different are all of our prayer morning? I need a wind You're the height 5 a.m. Gym. Yeah, you're up, but you're up at like 5 in the morning, right? Now these days it's sick so I can get up a little later cuz my kids wake up a little later now Thank God, this is like life-changing.

They tip eat my son used to wake up 5 30. That's better Oh, now he's like 6 30 to 7. So I'm okay. So 6 a.m I'll wake up and then I'll get my wife coffee Do my thing and lately I've been going to Starbucks which is down the street getting her green tea and bringing it back We're door-dashing less dude. Oh good for you. Oh, you could definitely afford a trigger I Mean I It's been a long time. I've really we cut way back on I pulled about isn't that like every financial podcast?

It's like if you just stop drinking that one cup of coffee. I know every day like You know, it's funny for me is It it was driven more by principle than anything else I was so angry because it's double that they were getting me on all these fees I was unaware of that. It's like out of principle. I'm not gonna do this What's cuz they gouge? My theory is right I have a theory that if you want that you can look at people's income but without looking at income look at door-dash usage And you will 100% but you'll be able to predict someone's Income level just by their door down.

Oh, I've got such an expensive Convenience I bet you're spot-on with that would be a really cool thing to and I'm sure they I mean who knows where they're at As far as how sophisticated their marketing to you is and everything like that I know is when I call door-dash to answer the phone, you know, which is weird I've talked to friends are like what they respond. Hey Speaking of money. Oh that article. Did you see that article Jackie sent over did Harvard who did it?

No, the Penn State. Yes, there were Penn State someone else There were two large groups of oh, what does it say there door-dash is used by people of all lower income households Actually use it more than the wealthy. Really? Yes You know, what? How wealthy are we talking here? Like it's they pay a servant to go get Theories off. Yeah. Wow. All right. All right, whatever. Anyway, the article you're talking about Adam. They're taking different cohorts and Studies and trying to combine together first start by why this is so cool because we've talked on the show multiple times about this Yeah there's a famous study done in 2010 that I think that one was originally done by Harvard or one of the other big one of their big schools right and they Had done a study and what the basically this study had said that happiness once you hit to about $75,000 in income was in 2010 is 2010.

Yeah, right So at 75,000 that there is no correlation with happier as income goes up, right? so the peak was 75 after that really it plateaued hard after that right and They did they did it like a cross study on this and found and teased out a lot of things So there was other studies that showed that it was closer to 150 200 then there's other studies that show that happiness goes up incrementally as money tends to go up But then there was other one that showed it was straight linear with it all the way that's what I mean It kept going on.

Yeah. Yeah, but when you look into the data So here's what's confusing about all of this. First off when you look into the data people who? Get no more happiness from making more money will definitely get no more happiness from making more money In other words, you're making a lot of money and you're miserable making more money He's not gonna make you happier. The data shows that pretty clearly money's not gonna solve Yes, your happiness issue if you're already doing well, and you're already miserable. Yeah.

Okay, that's not your issue people with well-being That made made more money. Yeah did correlate with that Yes, and then it was even higher for people that had that were in the exceptionally positive and happy Yes And now here's why we got to look at the data more closely because you could break the data down and here's why money is Confusing what first off? What is money? Right money is it could be more time. It could be more education. It could be more things It could be more more freedom It could be more charity So just looking at money doesn't tell you a lot What you want to do is go into the data and see what are the happiest people doing with their money?

How is it making them happier? That's what you need to look at because it could mean so many different things I mean right away what what jumped out at me when I read it is it and I said this to you off-air It reminds me of the steroids. Oh It like hang with me to enhance who you are exactly Yeah, exactly. So like everybody there's this there's this myth that like steroids make you angry And it's like or make you a dick. It's like no if you were a dick and you take steroids You're a bigger dick.

Yeah, you know that's use the different word. Yeah You were an asshole before Everyone both Whatever you get my drift and so and and and all the research and studies prove that we know that now, right? It's a but still there's a lot of people that think that people think if you're if you're unaware of the testosterone There's still this this myth around that that that it does a roid rage. Yeah, right, right now to be clear There are some steroids that seem to have that problem, but yeah, not the typical ones Yeah, generally speaking testosterone and testosterone done especially a therapeutic But it just makes you more of who you already are I've always thought the same way about money money just makes you more of what you are So if you are a good person have good well-being Which doesn't matter if you're making 35 grand or 3 million that gets enhanced It could be more charitable exactly you maybe you're the person who only can give out 20 bucks every now and then when you we're only Making seventy five thousand dollars a year, but now you make three million that turns to huge charity a huge return And so it's so I and and so I love this study because I've always felt this way like, you know Yes, I I think there's there's there comes this plateau of material things that I no longer like see the same Yeah, but I definitely have gotten happier.

Well, yes, I've also learned how to use it in a certain way Here's the other thing too is that this is hard to parse out but you can you can look at the data and kind of break this down to People and higher income brackets, so we're not talking about inheritance and we're not talking about lottery winners Okay, so it's not all the same but people who earn more Tend to tend to be more disciplined they tend to What's the word they withhold? When you're when someone's offering you something and you can say no, let me wait.

What's that called Doug? When you're you're you're you're not going to delay gratification So they tend to be better at delayed gratification They tend to spend more time and energy on self-improvement and to the tune of let's say on-the-job training or education And they tend to be healthier Physically because they spend more time on things like healthy eating and exercise because it helps Sometimes to have money to be able to do those things other times It helps you to make more money to become more healthy and fit So it's hard to kind of like parse that all out because you can look at that you really can't look here's the deal Like and I know you've told me this Adam because you grew up with not so much The spending habits that you had growing up not you but your family have yeah We're like well part of the reason why there were so difficult as their spending habits Yes, is they didn't have great.

Yeah, my family came with no education My dad came to this country with literally no education. They had no money and they did. Okay, they did reasonably well Because they were really disciplined yeah with what they did with what they earned and how they saved and where they spent and how they worked and I think those Things contribute to happiness more than the money did. Yeah, it's those strategies and those disciplines and those behaviors So it's hard to kind of break that down But there is data on on the ways to spend money and how those affect happiness and it's very clear in the data When you voluntarily give your money to help someone else, especially if you could see the result of what you've done It's the longer lasting effect.

It's the greatest ROI by far with happiness. Well, you can and anybody who's Doesn't believe that theory you could test this. Oh, dude, and I've talked about this before like There's been many material things that I desired or wanted that eventually I got and it was awesome Buying it in the time and when I use whatever the thing was But over time that that dissipates and even when I think back. Oh, man Remember that first watch when I really want to get like it doesn't give me this like like I remember that I remember there was a major goal and I could tell a story about it, but I don't get a feeling from it anymore It's so long gone and I've exceeded so many other things since then But let me tell you a story of something I did for somebody like totally charity wise for a family or did something like that and it could be small things could be big things I could think about that and I can you can feel the fact you can feel it Yeah, I can I can literally feel it in my but like you can so test this if you don't believe me Like go do something like that compare it to something that you really wanted to buy or have for yourself and then and it doesn't even have to be which is Wild is like I mean, I'm what I'm comparing right now.

The stories that I'm thinking of is That really expensive watch thing for at least was really expensive for me at the time A very moderate modest charity thing within cost nearly as much as that thing did but yet the ROI on the happiness ongoing for years from that Exponentially more than that thing. So like even the even the the amount doesn't even have to be Does that make sense what I'm saying 100% I was in fact I was in the car over the weekend because you know You guys know I went that that place with Dylan and Josh and we were actually talking about this We were talking about happiness and money in jaw I don't know if you guys remember this but Josh it was either last year or the year before He went and built a home for a Family that needed a home to be built He went with a Christian organization down to Mexico and he's like he goes every time I think about it It gives me the same because I want to cry he's in the same emotion It was one of the greatest experiences of my life And it was the best time I ever spent and money ever spent was flying myself down there and doing that and so that's the takeaway I could take away with this is like The things you do with money are what make you happy and the behaviors that tend to result in a better lifestyle Tend to make you happy the money itself Boy, it can go on a lot of different I thought don't you feel like that study did a good job of really bringing that down because though it's the people there there was three levels of People that didn't have good well-being or that were negative unhappy or without that people that had good well-being and then people that were Exponentially good.

Well, I mean I would I would categorize if you have Exponentially good well-being then you probably have a balance of Giving a balance of all those things and so give that person more money and it goes their happiness goes up literally with with more because they've they've learned to Reinvest in time and get that back with the money They've learned to do something learn to travel and do things that will create memories for them They've learned to give to other people which they know will give up great And so, I mean, you know, it reminds me also of the steroids was a rougher analogy Maybe a more gentle one would be we talk about this all the time with Obese clients who think that getting in shape will make them happy Yeah, how often do we have to talk to people like this right where there's like I just want to lose the weight How do I do that?

Once I lose it 50 pounds the depression will go away and it's no it won't if you are a depressed Negative person and you are think it's because you're overweight it is not true And here's the here's your example of that if I had a magic pill that just had them lose weight versus the things that they did To lose the weight the right way or what make them happy That's right The exercise that the changes in the strategies changing with food relationship that results in tremendous.

I can't avoid the struggle You can't you can't avoid the struggle. You don't want to you don't want to know you learn everything through that It's the secret to the happiness because to your point if you just did some extreme diet and you white knuckle your way to 50 Pounds down or a hundred pounds down in pursuit of I'm gonna be happy. It's like winning the lottery Yep, it won't solve it Well, I won't make you any happier if you're a miserable person before and you win the lottery You're not less miserable data on lottery winners is remarkable.

Yeah And that's why because they didn't learn the disciplines on how to get that much money One of the things that happens on your way of 75,000 to say hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars is all the disciplines required In order to obtain that getting growing in education Sacrificing delayed gratification right all these things and it's like oh shit That is the the real secret sauce are all those things and then oh by the way now I got all this windfall of money from it which gives you better ways to do it Same thing goes for fitness if you were somebody who learned how to lift weights properly eat Correctly do all the things and it took you a while to get that hundred pounds off.

Well, you end up valuing the journey 100% All right. I'm gonna change subject because this notes been up there and I want to hear about Justin thing about Arlo. I know that you You talked about him on a recent episode. Yeah, I got a lot of crazy DMS I didn't want to call you bring it up to Peter call you. No, I'm not Peter. But yeah, no somebody just kind of was Giving me a little feedback that I was like I had to like sit and really think about it because it's like I Like to bring things up on the show that are I think are gonna be entertaining and funny In a lot of times that involves like stupid things that especially with my dog Like he just like does crazy things every now and then and it's like I have to talk about it too, it's a bit of like cathartic cathartic, you know kind of thing for me because I'm like I gotta like Offload this because it's like this was a story where you were peeing off the deck or something He ran into and walked into the P.

Yeah, you walk to the peas shit on my foot like Throwing up on you know carpets. He's gone got like sprayed by skunk in his face like multiple times It's just like a constant ensures. Oh, yeah, it's an event. It's like having a two-year-old, you know That's always gonna be a two-year-old. Yeah, you know But it's like I might have mentioned because it's hard and it's like you I'm like, you know I struggle sometimes like maybe maybe somebody else would really appreciate him, you know, but it's like it's not true He's he's part of the family.

I love him. It's like I have to like He's like, oh you just like one of those dog owners is gonna get rid of them And oh, you know what it was was cuz Adam said he were to drop I was trying to think back. I was like, I don't think I said I was like gonna get rid of them I was like, oh you laughed like I think I'll do that Sensitive yeah, so just Because like even if like you're talking about your kids or something and you're like, you know You're trying to bring up funny stories and it's always like a negative story, you know, it's like Cuz there I mean, there's a lot of times.

I have good times. I take him out like to Westcliff We walk all the time like and to for feedback for people that don't realize like the amount of work I've put into this dog is insane. So this guy Lance, he he's like He trains military and police dogs. And this is like over, you know in Watsonville we took him there for like an entire year and He literally like was like, I don't know what to do this dog Bro, will you get a dog trainers?

Is it your buddy military? Could you imagine us? Give me a strike back? Like hey, I can't help this Erotic above, you know, and he came back and he was like, you know underweight and you see his ribs there me I'm like, this is not good for him, dude Like we'll just take him. I don't want to keep doing the training. It's not working, you know And so like and we and it was you know, it's his own style like it So I just got frustrated and I'm just like I'm just gonna deal with it, you know And we're gonna kind of just take it day by day and like he's really food motivated and so I've learned to kind of like Get him to do better things like with more positive feedback and they get like food out there to to draw him in like he'll go take off like Down to the school and like and so, you know, it's just frustrating.

It's hard, dude I even had like a lady Like pick him up when he was down at the junior high and he had taken off and like he's only does a handful of times but she's just like how would you ever let your dog, you know run loose and like was gonna call like animal control and I'm like dude like the ultimate Karen lady was just like she was Hammering me about like like me and my dog and like how dare you like a car could hit him and blah blah blah Anyway, so I've been in through the ringer with this dog, dude And it's it's hard, you know, but like I'm I'm still at it and I'm we're still working on So anyway, I'm I'm working now on like getting him out a lot because you have to take ownership, too Like if I had taken him out enough, like he's a very high-energy dog I gotta walk him all the time gonna run him all the time.

I throw the ball for him all the time and I'm switching up his food. I'm trying to really kind of figure out like, you know, what maybe maybe I got to get like A healthier, you know version of him. Like how can we do this? It's that or do you so what I think it is is it's wrong dog wrong owner Hmm, I don't think he's the right dog for you. Yeah, just straight up dude. He's still trying to talk. No You got to keep him now.

He's your kid Do you believe that there are right dogs for right owners and I do yeah, I so what before I bought my dogs I did a punch. I like to be fair Courtney got him. Okay so I did a bunch of research on breeds before I bought my my English Bulldogs and one of the things that would because I remember Wrestling with I want a dog. Should I get a dog right now that I wrestled with was my laziest dog That's 100% right now I I said what dogs need the least amount of exercise because I knew how many hours I work Yeah, but I still wanted a dog and I wanted that companion and and and Bulldogs came up And oh, there are a lot of you know maintenance, okay, I can handle that stuff But I like I know I won't be able to exercise him Why my buddy who has a Weimaraner that has that and I so I know three close people to me That in only one of them I feel like has this great Relationship with this Weimaraner and he's an ultra marathon runner and that dog runs with him every day Are they design are they are they are bred to run?

All the time bird dogs and so yeah to if you get them to hunt and like really like work them They're super do you think a dog treadmill will be good or is that too boring? I've thought about that What do you do it? I actually I don't know if he'd do it He might but you know what I have done is I've I bike and so I'll take him Westcliff and I can like Jam on the bike. He just sprints and he's worn out and so I've been doing that a lot You see and you're not a big cardio guy, so I feel like if you were a big cardio guy Then you'll be right dog.

I think it'll be right dog right or like I think my buddy Greg Who's an ultra marathon runner that is a great dog for him? Oh totally because you go take it on All right at all, but like, you know, I'm in this situation. Yeah. No, it is what it is now But I'm the best trainer like one of the best trainers around but you're talking right now about how maybe it could be like Like would you really buy another Weimaraner after everything? Oh, no. No, okay.

No never no Yeah, but to be fair to I had a Weimaraner before this you did but I thought you got lucky totally Yes, cuz I totally like got like a dog that was like Chill for a while and here's the thing like ahead of time too It was like more of a pet like so they breed these dogs a lot to be show dogs, right? and they're there, you know in Arlo specifically was His his dad was actually like a winner like in his breed He won all kinds of shows really handsome like perfect like bone structure all this kind of stuff And so he's like a really handsome dog, but also really dumb You know, it's there's a lot inbreeding It's just like it's like a male bottle that whole world.

I swear. He's the male model Virgin Zoolander, you should name him Zoolander. I swear to God did you know my orange Frappuccino, you know, and he would love it But yeah, I don't know. It's it again. Like I got I had I got lucky with my first dog He was like the best dog dude like would literally like had the recall he like I could I Trained him and and it was like I come home and he was He'd like put his paws up on me and give me a hug and then he'd go lay down and he would chill And I would take him out on a walk and that was it.

Like I like literally was like so easy So yeah, I was totally totally like Threw me off, you know, and so we got like a little Wiener dog to now which he's great. He's so easy. I'm like, I'm just gonna be all wieners from here. Listen, that's that's to me I know you your lifestyles over that that's the right dog. Yeah, that's I mean, I feel like that's what happens I mean, I think that Doug's Maltese, you know, like down on Westcliff with two little wieners, but yeah, I Can handle I got a good ego Yeah, you're confident.

You can be fine with that. I'm saying Have you ever considered a dog no, no, no, we can manage a lot already you run four kids I'm not trying to add more Four kids is already like a lot of a dog. Here's what happens when I think about a dog in a positive way Yeah, okay watching TV just pet They make dogs like that actually Yeah, I mean if you can handle the Bulldogs are like that. Yeah. Yeah, so our Kings the the Kings no Cavalier Kings, whatever like they're like lapdogs like sit in your lap I think some dogs.

I love I love dogs. I love when people have dogs I appreciate them, but just it just I believe stress and I can't leave when I want I gotta have someone watch the dog and then we got it. Yeah. No, I get it I guess I don't wake us up in the night. I get it. Yeah, I believe though. There's a dog I believe there's a dog for every person. I think that hmm I think that that like there's there's the right breed for like every but what you're into what you like to do There's certain there are certain breeds.

I have an affinity only because I grew up with them and because my dad I love American Staffordshire's and pitbulls, but my dad always had him when I was a kid was a great I just love the way they look and they're so athletic and so strong Yeah, and so I remember growing up and my dad had one and man He could jump and just you know, we played tug-of-war with the rope and and he was he was very protective of us But that was just my experience with him and I like the way they look cuz they look like little bodybuilders.

Yeah Yeah, but other than that Did you get a bunch of guilty Few yeah, I think that was it Justin loves his dog everybody Yeah, it's like I post about all the time. You see my social me It's like half of it is like me posting me and my dogs. Like yeah, all I do is he's not gonna hang out My dog's my kid. He's not gonna get rid of his Still a great dad Speaking of animals, I gotta hear about how the cows kicked you you were saying this off-air I don't know.

You got kicked by a cow. I told you that before you really got can't like I live where all the time Shoulder chest all the time. Yeah, like a full kick. Yeah Well, so what they remember when I when I used to milk them they're at they're this level, right? So what's that level like their feet? Oh, cuz they're standing up. There's they walk on something. Yeah Yeah, so that way that way I can you know do all the stuff, right? Yeah, do my thing but and when you would I come in the morning?

So it was actually like it was it was designed like this if you can imagine where Doug is at Over would be the size of this and I'd have four cows in a stall at a time Okay, and they're all about this level Okay, you let them all four inch and you lock them all in then you prep all of them now when I would Come in in the morning. It's directly ahead of me right right over here would be this big whiteboard and Every morning there's at least on a good morning Like a low number Good a good morning would be low number two or three cow numbers a bad morning could be like eight to nine and what that Is is it's warning me like who's off and a lot of times would be a special note if there was something I needed to know like for example 397 back right teat Don't touch the back right?

Well, what I would know is that it's got an injury or something like it like another another cow stepped on it So it's sliced it open. So don't do that And so well, no you still do it but you better be gentle because if you just go in not knowing and you will get the shit kicked out of you because you Grab on an injury on a cow and so there that's always happening So you're at or one is sick or just off and so there I was just a you see numbers And so when I see the tag come in a lot of times, you know, but sometimes you're the guy who finds out So I come in I know what I Do found out a lot of times the number ain't up there and you grab something and whack you can just kick Oh, yeah.

Yeah. No, I've flown across the room. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah, so it's broken. No, I've actually never had anything broken I mean, I feel like that would hurt like really bad. Yeah. No, it does. Yeah Yeah, but it's not like I could ever broke anything I am in a I'm in these full so I have like clothes like this and then I'm in full coveralls Like that are like the thick denim jean type coveralls, so I got a little bit so I'm not gonna get yeah So maybe a little bit of padding Enough to like not be hits you in the face.

So it normally is not my face because I'm high enough So it would be chest to be Yeah, it's normally would be here and my head my heads There's a there's a gate here, but there's a there's this much gap Did you always start slow just to be sure like let's make no because you're it's speed is the game, right? I gotta get through all of them. So you move you move pretty quick But you but you over time you one you learn you learn all the cows So you give them names and some of that you learn you learn who's who and there's certain temperamental temperamental cows So there's cows that are prone to be in pains in the ass.

You have a favorite. You remember any? Oh, I don't remember it. It's been so you're talking about you're making me go back. What is that? I'm 15 years old. So 30 years. You're gonna go back. Yeah. No, I can't I mean, I remember Rosa and like some something Yeah, I knew some names, but I I couldn't tell you if there was like a sweet cow. Yeah That one just popped in my head So there was like but I don't I don't remember because it was like I said a lot of most the time They were going through something and so therefore they were temperamental but there absolutely were some cows that were all like I could see they come in their ears would be pinned back and So, you know and you can see they're looking at you with it.

Yeah, and then other cows They just put their head in the grain and they're happy and they're go and you're like, they're cool So you don't have to worry about it. So you learn the energy of the of the animals your buddy as they come Oh, yeah, if you guys were to come in it was a for anytime friends came by and I'd be working I'd you walk around the corner. I could shoot you across the room And then with my egg you you I loved it like somebody trying to do if you don't know the technique You just can't do it.

And so you're like, I don't get it. Why is it not? It's not working It's like yeah, you're gonna roll it. There's a way you got to do it So much about this Well, you know, it's funny about it I think is interesting that it's You I mean you guys obviously really know me like it couldn't be more out of character, right? I couldn't be further from the guy I mean we joke about how like not not changing a light bulb or being this but I did all that stuff for a long Time, you know you name it.

I'd working on a ranch There's not a lot of things that you didn't have to do or learn to do or figure it out Yeah, and got yeah, very dirty and crazy early mornings and all by myself and like all all that stuff And so yeah, that's part of why I am though. I am today because I got plenty of experience to know I don't want to do that So seed is the world's best probiotic look if you've been listening to the show for any amount of time You know how serious we are about gut health good gut health contributes to good athletic performance Better muscle building better fat loss better emotional and mental health.

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I would say yes Yeah that to not be able to pull your own body would pick one or the other. Oh, absolutely. Yeah for sure and Unless this person is a competitor the value you're gonna get of Just so you know for the listener, I mean I was doing way to pull up to the day But the three months prior to that I didn't do any pull-ups and I was doing all that pull down so it's not like I don't bounce back and you're it's a cute but You could absolutely never do a lat pull down But always do pull-ups and way to pull ups and get you're fine.

Awesome. Awesome back great strength and functional You're not missing out. There's two two advantages that the pull-down machine has One is you're not strong enough to do a pull up. So pull down allows you to use resistance that Kind of matches your strength and by the way, this could be true for someone who can do pull-ups But let's say they can't do a wide grip pull-up so I can do pull-ups. No problem But when I go really really wide, yeah working on your grip I got to be careful if I do a pull-up because it can sometimes tweak my shoulder because I'm pulling my 220 pound body up.

So when I go on a pull-down machine, sometimes I like to do really wide pull downs But the weight is 160 pounds and it's not as heavy so I can get that You know kind of that different angle or let's take a like a behind the neck Behind the neck pull up is really hard when your body weight is high behind the neck, you know pull down with 120 pounds Not a big deal So those are the two times and I would say a pull-down machine is better is like is if you're not strong enough I can't get my weight or add a lot more or you want to add a lot of weight like weighted pull-ups are awesome But let's like you like there's some pull-down machines that go 300 pounds Yeah, if you're a really strong dude, and you want to do heavy, you know weighted pull-ups sometimes it can be a pain of the butt to get the chain and hook around a weight and do the whole thing and Getting under a pull-down machine can sometimes feel I mean I can get behind the argument of you're missing out on some of the Scapula mobility benefits if you're going to practice behind the neck.

Yeah pull downs. You gotta be really strong to do that Oh, yeah You're not even most people are gonna be able to do that with the body weight and and to be able to control it to where You actually retract the scapula properly Yeah, so so if you if you went into lap pull downs with the thought that like oh I'm gonna go rely today and really work on behind the neck scapula retraction and that shoulder I definitely have more fun with grips on a pull-down machine than I do I mean truth be told though the way I look at it today even with my ex bodybuilder background It's like what I'm feeling lazy.

I'm doing that pull down. Yeah, sure Yeah, when I when I when I'm feeling like hey, I want to get after it I'm feeling strong or I want to see I come I'm doing pull-ups and I'm doing weighted pull-ups for sure And and but so if the average client asked me this I'd be like you could never do a lap pull-down again But get strong lip pulling your body weight up and you're just fine Next question is from preacher min Joe Can you take a day or two out of the week to not eat one gram of protein per pound of body weight?

I feel I need to give my stomach a break to recover. You did this for a while I did so if it's for your stomach if you're noticing digestive issues and Protein fasting for a while. I did it was for my gut a lot of it We used to go used to did you like a vegan you did like a Friday's? Yeah, Friday vegans for a while early on the podcast Yeah, we do that for your guy and a lot of was for my gut health And so I was basically broke down just way less calories So if you're like, hey, I need my gut to have a break because here's the deal high protein is great and all the data It's better for pretty much everything But there are times and this is not backed up, but this isn't based on data.

This is based on my experience I've definitely had clients where we start to push the protein and Digestive issues start to become an issue and these are the clients that I don't have the meat that much protein I and I would have a meat more fiber We change the protein sources that often helped But there were those clients that no matter what once we get up to a certain amount of protein They just didn't react Well, I do want to say how rare that is though because you just said what I was gonna say Which is many times and because I can notice this if I because you're not I know you talk about how you could eat red meat till you're blue in the face if I'm Eating of all red meat every day all the time.

That's my only source. I start to notice like I giving myself a mixture of leaner cuts white white meat Instantly improves digestion for me and or increasing fiber. So many times with a client like this I will always explore that first. Yep, because we know we know the benefits of consistently hitting protein and how hard that is for people and so I That's already a challenge for me to get people good but if I had a client that was complaining about that and they said man Adam when we fast or when I cut it my Protein and have my digest was really easy.

Then I'd be like, let's try these sources then let's try these exactly I would rotate through fish and through white meat and through adding fiber and doing all that first and if they still keep reporting back Man, just still rotten then I'm like, okay, then yes, then then then we go that 100% what I would do and even today You know my protein intakes averages between 200 and let's say 240 grams I make sure I get fiber with it If my fiber isn't high enough with that it can also still cause some kind of backup issues or whatever So but that's exactly the strategy.

I would have a client's next question is from Tyler H6201. Can you rehab and heal from an injury in a calorie deficit? Yeah, but it's a lot much slower It's a lot harder way slower. Yeah, if you're putting your body in a catabolic state Or should I say you're making yourself more catabolic so rehab in healing after injury tends to be catabolic tend to lose muscle tend to lose strength And you put yourself in lower calories on top of that It can definitely impair injury now This doesn't mean you got to go in this crazy surplus of calories because sometimes people do that too They're like on the couch the depressed.

No, maybe you see a bunch of maintaining kind of what you're eating Yeah, feed yourself a healthy diet. Don't go low on protein. Don't go low on essential on fats Both of which are in essential for healing you need them both to heal your body proteins he'll pretty much every teach tissue in the body and then fats for like nerve health and hormone health if those are low and You're injured or you need to rehab or you're coming off an illness Sometimes you won't like if it's a really extreme you won't heal From those like you break a bone and Or you tear a muscle and your protein intake is below a certain number.

It ain't it ain't gonna heal Yeah In those extreme well to cereals to Justin's point normally just eating the way you were eating before Typically handles it because what it ends up happening normally when you get injured activity level decreases Yeah And so activity level decreasing maintaining caloric intake or diet the way it was prior to injury is Normally enough of a surplus that it's at and so long as protein is adequate To to recover because it and we've talked about this before to be anabolic to build muscle We fall in the same category similar to his recovery or repair here You don't need a huge calorie surplus to do that You just need to be in somewhat of a surplus and so And a lot of times my clients that have had some sort of an injury They're no longer working out all your activity already Yeah as much cadence or doing the thing they were doing and so the original studies on amino acids So old studies on essential amino acids and branch that would be a great thing for them to do They were done on burn victims.

All right. Yeah, so they would give burn victims So it's a major like me, you know getting a like a large part of your body burn It's like a major trauma and they would give some of these patients Higher amounts of protein or essential amino acids and they would heal much faster. So it definitely makes a difference Yeah, there you go That's that would be a great strategy right there If you're somebody who's kind of worried about how much calories without like just add in that essential amino acid a great idea Next question is from Wilkinson Jared.

I'm having a hard time activating my rear delts No matter how low I go on weight or how slow I do the reps. I feel it in my traps any idea What's happening? Okay, so a couple things. I mean, obviously I'd have to watch your form, but I'm gonna guess I've done videos on this I'm gonna guess what's happening. So keep your elbows high. Keep your shoulders depressed and Separate the the dumbbells or pull things apart. Don't row the queue for me It's always been fly out don't fly back The natural thing that someone does on a rear delt whether they're on a rear delt machine whether they're doing Cable rodent flies or they're doing bent over Dumbbell or rear delt flies is to squeeze the shoulder blades together and fly back I think the cue is to fly out and the flying and I have a hold on Mindpump TV.

I did I've done several YouTube videos on rear delts and I talked about this cue Um, and I and I definitely think Most people don't do rear delts properly I think it's and the reason why it is difficult because it's a small muscle and you have emotion and you're and you're moving in A way that is similar to what a bunch of big muscles are can actually really easy turn into a row Yeah, and so the the natural thing is for the bigger muscles to take over The movement so it does take a really good mind muscle connection to do that So so in this case if you're because there's a few common issues that happen One is what your Adams talking about what kind of turns into a row?

The other one is you get this external rotation. So my elbows aren't high So I'm pulling back like this and the other ones this this truck. Yeah, we elbow probably what's going on. That's right So elbows high shoulders down see what I did there. So my elbows are high shoulders down if you're separating now I'm hitting the rear delt. Yes, sir. You're yeah, you're sure these were very common cues of depressants when we were trained Look, if you like the show come find us on Instagram.

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