The Man Warning The West: I’m Leaving the UK in 2 Years, If This Happens!

There's mention of Greenland being There's mention of Greenland being invaded by the United States. There's invaded by the United States. There's invaded by the United States. There's the situation in Iran. Trump has the situation in Iran. Trump has the situation in Iran. Trump has snatched Maduro from Venezuela. There's snatched Maduro from Venezuela. There's snatched Maduro from Venezuela. There's talk of China taking back Taiwan. What talk of China taking back Taiwan. What talk of China taking back Taiwan. What the hell is going on? the hell is going on? the hell is going on? >> Well, what you're seeing is the West >> Well, what you're seeing is the West >> Well, what you're seeing is the West becoming weaker and embolding our becoming weaker and embolding our becoming weaker and embolding our enemies and the final collapse of a enemies and the final collapse of a enemies and the final collapse of a shared myth that we were living in a shared myth that we were living in a shared myth that we were living in a structured world where everything is structured world where everything is structured world where everything is done according to the rules. That is now done according to the rules. That is now done according to the rules. That is now gone. And Trump is acting in recognition gone. And Trump is acting in recognition gone. And Trump is acting in recognition of that reality, saying we are not going of that reality, saying we are not going of that reality, saying we are not going to play by the fake rules anymore that to play by the fake rules anymore that to play by the fake rules anymore that no one else is playing by. Anyway, no one else is playing by. Anyway, no one else is playing by. Anyway, >> is there a risk with this strategy? >> is there a risk with this strategy? >> is there a risk with this strategy? >> Of course. And we can talk about the >> Of course. And we can talk about the >> Of course. And we can talk about the reasons for it. I think it's really reasons for it. I think it's really reasons for it. I think it's really important. important. important. >> The floor is yours. >> The floor is yours. >> The floor is yours. >> Constantine Kissen is one of the >> Constantine Kissen is one of the >> Constantine Kissen is one of the sharpest voices in political commentary sharpest voices in political commentary sharpest voices in political commentary right now. right now. right now. >> He's here to unpack the current >> He's here to unpack the current >> He's here to unpack the current geopolitical landscape and what could be geopolitical landscape and what could be geopolitical landscape and what could be done to salvage the West before it's too done to salvage the West before it's too done to salvage the West before it's too late. late. late. >> So, Russia invading Ukraine was not an >> So, Russia invading Ukraine was not an >> So, Russia invading Ukraine was not an accident. It was a consequence of the accident. It was a consequence of the accident. It was a consequence of the fact that Putin felt this was the moment fact that Putin felt this was the moment fact that Putin felt this was the moment to test the waters. Can we now do the to test the waters. Can we now do the to test the waters. Can we now do the things we've always wanted to do? things we've always wanted to do? things we've always wanted to do? Because the West lost its focus and Because the West lost its focus and Because the West lost its focus and sense of purpose. So, for example, I sense of purpose. So, for example, I sense of purpose. So, for example, I don't know if you know this, Europe is don't know if you know this, Europe is don't know if you know this, Europe is 12% of the world's population, 25% of 12% of the world's population, 25% of 12% of the world's population, 25% of the world's GDP, and 60% of the world's the world's GDP, and 60% of the world's the world's GDP, and 60% of the world's welfare spending. Germany destroyed its welfare spending. Germany destroyed its welfare spending. Germany destroyed its nuclear facilities, thereby making nuclear facilities, thereby making nuclear facilities, thereby making itself reliant on Russian gas. And in itself reliant on Russian gas. And in itself reliant on Russian gas. And in Britain, we've destroyed our Britain, we've destroyed our Britain, we've destroyed our manufacturing, which is now produced manufacturing, which is now produced manufacturing, which is now produced elsewhere. and we've run down our armed elsewhere. and we've run down our armed elsewhere. and we've run down our armed forces because we have felt so safe and forces because we have felt so safe and forces because we have felt so safe and so comfortable because there's been no so comfortable because there's been no so comfortable because there's been no consequence. Well, the consequences are consequence. Well, the consequences are consequence. Well, the consequences are here per person. We have less money here per person. We have less money here per person. We have less money today than we did 20 years ago. We have today than we did 20 years ago. We have today than we did 20 years ago. We have the highest tax burden in peace time the highest tax burden in peace time the highest tax burden in peace time history. We're driving out the history. We're driving out the history. We're driving out the entrepreneurs and we've already seen a entrepreneurs and we've already seen a entrepreneurs and we've already seen a decline in our power in the world and decline in our power in the world and decline in our power in the world and our influence in the world. That's the our influence in the world. That's the our influence in the world. That's the big danger. But there is an opportunity big danger. But there is an opportunity big danger. But there is an opportunity to turn things around if we can make to turn things around if we can make to turn things around if we can make these big decisions. What are you these big decisions. What are you these big decisions. What are you hopeful? >> Listen, my my team gave me a script that >> Listen, my my team gave me a script that they asked me to read, but I'm just they asked me to read, but I'm just they asked me to read, but I'm just going to ask you um in the nicest way I going to ask you um in the nicest way I going to ask you um in the nicest way I possibly can. Thank you first and possibly can. Thank you first and possibly can. Thank you first and foremost for choosing to subscribe to foremost for choosing to subscribe to foremost for choosing to subscribe to this channel. It is um it's been one of this channel. It is um it's been one of this channel. 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I promise you. And if I do, button. I promise you. And if I do, please do unsubscribe, but I promise I please do unsubscribe, but I promise I please do unsubscribe, but I promise I won't. Thank you, Constantine. Constantine. There is so much going on in the world There is so much going on in the world There is so much going on in the world right now that it is incredibly right now that it is incredibly right now that it is incredibly confusing to somebody like me who confusing to somebody like me who confusing to somebody like me who doesn't spend a lot of time thinking doesn't spend a lot of time thinking doesn't spend a lot of time thinking about geopolitics or the bigger picture. about geopolitics or the bigger picture. about geopolitics or the bigger picture. I'm very very heads downstand as I I'm very very heads downstand as I I'm very very heads downstand as I imagine a lot of people in my audience imagine a lot of people in my audience imagine a lot of people in my audience are. We kind of get on with our lives. are. We kind of get on with our lives. are. We kind of get on with our lives. But every time we look up at the news, But every time we look up at the news, But every time we look up at the news, there's Trump has snatched Maduro from there's Trump has snatched Maduro from there's Trump has snatched Maduro from Venezuela. There's the war with Russia Venezuela. There's the war with Russia Venezuela. There's the war with Russia and Ukraine. There's something going on and Ukraine. There's something going on and Ukraine. There's something going on with Iran. There's mention of Greenland with Iran. There's mention of Greenland with Iran. There's mention of Greenland being invaded by the United States. being invaded by the United States. being invaded by the United States. There's talk of China taking back There's talk of China taking back There's talk of China taking back Taiwan. I wanted to speak to you today Taiwan. I wanted to speak to you today Taiwan. I wanted to speak to you today to understand your perspective on the to understand your perspective on the to understand your perspective on the bigger picture here. bigger picture here. bigger picture here. >> What the hell is going on? >> What the hell is going on? >> What the hell is going on? Well, what you're seeing is the the Well, what you're seeing is the the Well, what you're seeing is the the final collapse of what people have final collapse of what people have final collapse of what people have described as the postworld war II order, described as the postworld war II order, described as the postworld war II order, which then became the post Soviet which then became the post Soviet which then became the post Soviet collapse order. So, if you think about collapse order. So, if you think about collapse order. So, if you think about 1945, World War II finishes and the Cold 1945, World War II finishes and the Cold 1945, World War II finishes and the Cold War begins. So, you go from World War II War begins. So, you go from World War II War begins. So, you go from World War II to two big major players in the world to two big major players in the world to two big major players in the world competing for dominance. And that lasts competing for dominance. And that lasts competing for dominance. And that lasts until 1991 when the Soviet Union until 1991 when the Soviet Union until 1991 when the Soviet Union collapses at which point you get the collapses at which point you get the collapses at which point you get the uniolar world in which there's only one uniolar world in which there's only one uniolar world in which there's only one hedgeimonyy, only one country that's hedgeimonyy, only one country that's hedgeimonyy, only one country that's really setting the terms of what's really setting the terms of what's really setting the terms of what's happening in the world. The west lost happening in the world. The west lost happening in the world. The west lost its focus and its sense of purpose in its focus and its sense of purpose in its focus and its sense of purpose in 1991 because we were like, well, we we 1991 because we were like, well, we we 1991 because we were like, well, we we defeated our great rival, communism, defeated our great rival, communism, defeated our great rival, communism, Soviet, Russia, etc. And then we kind of Soviet, Russia, etc. And then we kind of Soviet, Russia, etc. And then we kind of didn't really know what to do and we didn't really know what to do and we didn't really know what to do and we took eye off the ball. And what's took eye off the ball. And what's took eye off the ball. And what's happening now is that entire framework happening now is that entire framework happening now is that entire framework that we have had since World War II is that we have had since World War II is that we have had since World War II is disintegrating very rapidly. This is why disintegrating very rapidly. This is why disintegrating very rapidly. This is why you know in in light of recent events you know in in light of recent events you know in in light of recent events and the the Maduro situation you hear a and the the Maduro situation you hear a and the the Maduro situation you hear a lot of people talk about international lot of people talk about international lot of people talk about international law. International law was I don't know law. International law was I don't know law. International law was I don't know if you if you ever had you will know if you if you ever had you will know if you if you ever had you will know Harrari on your show. I have yet to Harrari on your show. I have yet to Harrari on your show. I have yet to wrote the book book called Sapiens in wrote the book book called Sapiens in wrote the book book called Sapiens in which he talks about the fact that which he talks about the fact that which he talks about the fact that almost everything that we live in the almost everything that we live in the almost everything that we live in the world in in which we exist is a kind of world in in which we exist is a kind of world in in which we exist is a kind of shared myth that we have and laws and shared myth that we have and laws and shared myth that we have and laws and money and all these things. They are money and all these things. They are money and all these things. They are agreements that we have between us to agreements that we have between us to agreements that we have between us to make things real that are not real. make things real that are not real. make things real that are not real. Money isn't real. That piece of paper Money isn't real. That piece of paper Money isn't real. That piece of paper has no value in your pocket really has no value in your pocket really has no value in your pocket really outside of the fact that other people outside of the fact that other people outside of the fact that other people have got together and agreed that it's have got together and agreed that it's have got together and agreed that it's money. Right. Well, international law money. Right. Well, international law money. Right. Well, international law really was that, but even weaker than really was that, but even weaker than really was that, but even weaker than that. Because if you think about what a that. Because if you think about what a that. Because if you think about what a law is, a law is something that has to law is, a law is something that has to law is, a law is something that has to be backed by not only the consent of the be backed by not only the consent of the be backed by not only the consent of the people who are involved, but also people who are involved, but also people who are involved, but also ultimately it's about the use of force, ultimately it's about the use of force, ultimately it's about the use of force, the legitimate use of force. Now, for the legitimate use of force. Now, for the legitimate use of force. Now, for international law, there's never been international law, there's never been international law, there's never been anything that could enforce that law anything that could enforce that law anything that could enforce that law other than the most powerful country in other than the most powerful country in other than the most powerful country in the world, right? So if China invades the world, right? So if China invades the world, right? So if China invades Taiwan, no one's going to do anything Taiwan, no one's going to do anything Taiwan, no one's going to do anything about it because there is no overarching about it because there is no overarching about it because there is no overarching authority with the military to be able authority with the military to be able authority with the military to be able to do anything about it. And so that to do anything about it. And so that to do anything about it. And so that shared fiction that we had which we were shared fiction that we had which we were shared fiction that we had which we were living in a structured world in which living in a structured world in which living in a structured world in which everything is done according to the everything is done according to the everything is done according to the rules, the rules-based order. You might rules, the rules-based order. You might rules, the rules-based order. You might have heard that term being used. That is have heard that term being used. That is have heard that term being used. That is now gone. And Trump is acting in now gone. And Trump is acting in now gone. And Trump is acting in recognition of that reality. and he's recognition of that reality. and he's recognition of that reality. and he's saying, well, given that it's sort of saying, well, given that it's sort of saying, well, given that it's sort of every man for himself now, I'm going to every man for himself now, I'm going to every man for himself now, I'm going to do what's in the interest of the United do what's in the interest of the United do what's in the interest of the United States. Is it in the interest of the States. Is it in the interest of the States. Is it in the interest of the United States, for example, to have an United States, for example, to have an United States, for example, to have an openly hostile leader of a country close openly hostile leader of a country close openly hostile leader of a country close to the US, which is so destabilized that to the US, which is so destabilized that to the US, which is so destabilized that 7 million people have fled as refugees? 7 million people have fled as refugees? 7 million people have fled as refugees? >> Venezuela. >> Venezuela. >> Venezuela. >> Venezuela. Is it in our interest to have >> Venezuela. Is it in our interest to have >> Venezuela. Is it in our interest to have this person cozying up to Russia and this person cozying up to Russia and this person cozying up to Russia and China? Is it in our interest to allow China? Is it in our interest to allow China? Is it in our interest to allow him to have Hezbollah training camps on him to have Hezbollah training camps on him to have Hezbollah training camps on the island of Margarita? Is it in our the island of Margarita? Is it in our the island of Margarita? Is it in our interest? It's going back to the Monroy interest? It's going back to the Monroy interest? It's going back to the Monroy doctrine, the idea that America does not doctrine, the idea that America does not doctrine, the idea that America does not allow foreign nations to meddle in its allow foreign nations to meddle in its allow foreign nations to meddle in its backyard, so to speak. And so what he's backyard, so to speak. And so what he's backyard, so to speak. And so what he's doing now is going, "Well, look, this is doing now is going, "Well, look, this is doing now is going, "Well, look, this is the world we live in. I'm going to do the world we live in. I'm going to do the world we live in. I'm going to do what's best for my country." And I think what's best for my country." And I think what's best for my country." And I think that's what you're seeing. that's what you're seeing. that's what you're seeing. >> Is there a risk with this strategy? >> Is there a risk with this strategy? >> Is there a risk with this strategy? >> Of course, there's a risk with every >> Of course, there's a risk with every >> Of course, there's a risk with every strategy. Of course, there's a risk with strategy. Of course, there's a risk with strategy. Of course, there's a risk with this strategy. There was a big risk this strategy. There was a big risk this strategy. There was a big risk inevitably with this strategy and I inevitably with this strategy and I inevitably with this strategy and I think you know as I talked about in my think you know as I talked about in my think you know as I talked about in my book the the west becoming weaker and book the the west becoming weaker and book the the west becoming weaker and emboldening our enemies which is what we emboldening our enemies which is what we emboldening our enemies which is what we have done for a long time now is have done for a long time now is have done for a long time now is creating an environment where we are creating an environment where we are creating an environment where we are opening ourselves up to challenge from opening ourselves up to challenge from opening ourselves up to challenge from other forces. Russia invading Ukraine other forces. Russia invading Ukraine other forces. Russia invading Ukraine was not an accident. It was not an was not an accident. It was not an was not an accident. It was not an accident. It was a consequence of the accident. It was a consequence of the accident. It was a consequence of the fact that Putin and other people in his fact that Putin and other people in his fact that Putin and other people in his leadership team felt this was the moment leadership team felt this was the moment leadership team felt this was the moment to test the waters. Can we now do the to test the waters. Can we now do the to test the waters. Can we now do the things we've always wanted to do things we've always wanted to do things we've always wanted to do >> and they felt they could do that under >> and they felt they could do that under >> and they felt they could do that under Biden in your view? Biden in your view? Biden in your view? >> Yes. But see, I wouldn't personalize it >> Yes. But see, I wouldn't personalize it >> Yes. But see, I wouldn't personalize it down to that level. I think far too many down to that level. I think far too many down to that level. I think far too many people get carried away with, you know, people get carried away with, you know, people get carried away with, you know, Republican, Democrat, left, right, Republican, Democrat, left, right, Republican, Democrat, left, right, Biden, Trump. It's an ongoing process Biden, Trump. It's an ongoing process Biden, Trump. It's an ongoing process that's been going on for decades. And that's been going on for decades. And that's been going on for decades. And the culmination of it was first the the culmination of it was first the the culmination of it was first the invasion of Ukraine, then October 7th. invasion of Ukraine, then October 7th. invasion of Ukraine, then October 7th. October 7th was not an accident either. October 7th was not an accident either. October 7th was not an accident either. Hamas backed by Iran felt that this was Hamas backed by Iran felt that this was Hamas backed by Iran felt that this was their moment to act because again is the their moment to act because again is the their moment to act because again is the West going to be able to respond West going to be able to respond West going to be able to respond morally, militarily, and in other ways morally, militarily, and in other ways morally, militarily, and in other ways powerfully to that. They felt that they powerfully to that. They felt that they powerfully to that. They felt that they were able to test it. The fact that were able to test it. The fact that were able to test it. The fact that China now is openly talking about taking China now is openly talking about taking China now is openly talking about taking Taiwan is again another symptom of this Taiwan is again another symptom of this Taiwan is again another symptom of this same thing. So the risk is there and of same thing. So the risk is there and of same thing. So the risk is there and of course the risk as well is that you know course the risk as well is that you know course the risk as well is that you know the the crumbling western alliance we the the crumbling western alliance we the the crumbling western alliance we can talk about the reasons for it. I can talk about the reasons for it. I can talk about the reasons for it. I think it's really important to think it's really important to think it's really important to particularly we're recording this in particularly we're recording this in particularly we're recording this in Britain and and in Europe more broadly. Britain and and in Europe more broadly. Britain and and in Europe more broadly. I think that's an important I think that's an important I think that's an important conversation. The western alliance is conversation. The western alliance is conversation. The western alliance is falling apart. Um and that is always falling apart. Um and that is always falling apart. Um and that is always going to be a risk. It's particularly going to be a risk. It's particularly going to be a risk. It's particularly big risk for Europe. I feel big risk for Europe. I feel big risk for Europe. I feel >> how much of this and before we go into >> how much of this and before we go into >> how much of this and before we go into the details and just catch up on a few the details and just catch up on a few the details and just catch up on a few of the things you said there. How much of the things you said there. How much of the things you said there. How much of this is linked to nuclear weapons? of this is linked to nuclear weapons? of this is linked to nuclear weapons? Because I was thinking I I can't really Because I was thinking I I can't really Because I was thinking I I can't really All of these superpowers are going for All of these superpowers are going for All of these superpowers are going for countries that aren't armed with nuclear countries that aren't armed with nuclear countries that aren't armed with nuclear weapons. weapons. weapons. >> And it all it somewhat feels to me that >> And it all it somewhat feels to me that >> And it all it somewhat feels to me that the reason why the US wouldn't get the reason why the US wouldn't get the reason why the US wouldn't get involved if China took Taiwan is because involved if China took Taiwan is because involved if China took Taiwan is because they have nukes. And the reason why they have nukes. And the reason why they have nukes. And the reason why the US is a little bit intimidated by the US is a little bit intimidated by the US is a little bit intimidated by Russia is because they have nukes. So is Russia is because they have nukes. So is Russia is because they have nukes. So is it really the world is splitting into it really the world is splitting into it really the world is splitting into nuclear powers and anyone with nukes can nuclear powers and anyone with nukes can nuclear powers and anyone with nukes can do what the they want because they do what the they want because they do what the they want because they can basically wipe out planet Earth if can basically wipe out planet Earth if can basically wipe out planet Earth if they get angry. And that has always been they get angry. And that has always been they get angry. And that has always been the case except we've been constrained the case except we've been constrained the case except we've been constrained by the framework of the rules-based by the framework of the rules-based by the framework of the rules-based order. But that got taken apart. And order. But that got taken apart. And order. But that got taken apart. And this is where I think the West and the this is where I think the West and the this is where I think the West and the United States including needs to take United States including needs to take United States including needs to take responsibility because the the war in responsibility because the the war in responsibility because the the war in Afghanistan and Iraq even more so Afghanistan and Iraq even more so Afghanistan and Iraq even more so completely undermined our moral completely undermined our moral completely undermined our moral credibility. You know, how can you say, credibility. You know, how can you say, credibility. You know, how can you say, well, Russia isn't allowed to invade well, Russia isn't allowed to invade well, Russia isn't allowed to invade Ukraine if you go around invading Ukraine if you go around invading Ukraine if you go around invading countries on a whim, making up excuses countries on a whim, making up excuses countries on a whim, making up excuses and reasons to do that. So we have and reasons to do that. So we have and reasons to do that. So we have eroded our moral authority and we've eroded our moral authority and we've eroded our moral authority and we've also eroded our military strength and also eroded our military strength and also eroded our military strength and the potential that we have to inflict the potential that we have to inflict the potential that we have to inflict damage on people who misbehave so to damage on people who misbehave so to damage on people who misbehave so to speak. So both of those things have come speak. So both of those things have come speak. So both of those things have come together. together. together. >> It seems so crazy to me that in my >> It seems so crazy to me that in my >> It seems so crazy to me that in my lifetime I'm I'm seeing cuz it's really lifetime I'm I'm seeing cuz it's really lifetime I'm I'm seeing cuz it's really never happened in the 33 years that I've never happened in the 33 years that I've never happened in the 33 years that I've been alive. I'm hearing a US president been alive. I'm hearing a US president been alive. I'm hearing a US president talk about kidnapping another president talk about kidnapping another president talk about kidnapping another president and then going in and taking the oil. and then going in and taking the oil. and then going in and taking the oil. And then you know what? We might take And then you know what? We might take And then you know what? We might take Greenland as well. We might have that Greenland as well. We might have that Greenland as well. We might have that big country over there as well. Even big country over there as well. Even big country over there as well. Even though it belongs to a NATO ally in though it belongs to a NATO ally in though it belongs to a NATO ally in Denmark, Denmark, Denmark, >> it it feels like something has >> it it feels like something has >> it it feels like something has fundamentally changed. fundamentally changed. fundamentally changed. >> It has. >> It has. >> It has. >> And I'm scared of the presidents this is >> And I'm scared of the presidents this is >> And I'm scared of the presidents this is going to set because do we then all just going to set because do we then all just going to set because do we then all just get to start taking countries we want? get to start taking countries we want? get to start taking countries we want? >> Well, this is what happens when there is >> Well, this is what happens when there is >> Well, this is what happens when there is a a a a shifting of the balance of a a a a shifting of the balance of a a a a shifting of the balance of power. This is why I always said power. This is why I always said power. This is why I always said maintaining the unipolar moment as it maintaining the unipolar moment as it maintaining the unipolar moment as it was and not allowing the west to weaken was and not allowing the west to weaken was and not allowing the west to weaken itself was a really important thing itself was a really important thing itself was a really important thing because the moment you have a power because the moment you have a power because the moment you have a power vacuum, you always have a power vacuum, you always have a power vacuum, you always have a power struggle. Mexico is a very good example struggle. Mexico is a very good example struggle. Mexico is a very good example of this. If you look at what's been of this. If you look at what's been of this. If you look at what's been happening, there's been a a gigantic happening, there's been a a gigantic happening, there's been a a gigantic drug war in Mexico for the last 20 years drug war in Mexico for the last 20 years drug war in Mexico for the last 20 years because there are different cartels because there are different cartels because there are different cartels vying for power. And the moment you take vying for power. And the moment you take vying for power. And the moment you take out the leader of one cartel or out the leader of one cartel or out the leader of one cartel or something happens, there's a bloodbath. something happens, there's a bloodbath. something happens, there's a bloodbath. Because this is what happens when the Because this is what happens when the Because this is what happens when the central authority, the central power, central authority, the central power, central authority, the central power, the the current system breaks down. You the the current system breaks down. You the the current system breaks down. You inevitably end up in a much more inevitably end up in a much more inevitably end up in a much more violent, much more unstable, much more violent, much more unstable, much more violent, much more unstable, much more unpredictable place. And all Trump unpredictable place. And all Trump unpredictable place. And all Trump really is doing is reflecting the really is doing is reflecting the really is doing is reflecting the reality that has been already there for reality that has been already there for reality that has been already there for years, except he's reflecting in years, except he's reflecting in years, except he's reflecting in American foreign policy. He's saying, American foreign policy. He's saying, American foreign policy. He's saying, "Well, look, if Russia is going to do "Well, look, if Russia is going to do "Well, look, if Russia is going to do what it wants to do, and we can't stop what it wants to do, and we can't stop what it wants to do, and we can't stop them, and if China is going to do what them, and if China is going to do what them, and if China is going to do what they want to do, and we can't stop them, they want to do, and we can't stop them, they want to do, and we can't stop them, well, we've got to do what we've got to well, we've got to do what we've got to well, we've got to do what we've got to do, and no one's going to stop us." And do, and no one's going to stop us." And do, and no one's going to stop us." And that's the world you've ended up in. And that's the world you've ended up in. And that's the world you've ended up in. And by the way, just on the nuclear point, I by the way, just on the nuclear point, I by the way, just on the nuclear point, I think it's important to say you're 100% think it's important to say you're 100% think it's important to say you're 100% right. And this is one of the things right. And this is one of the things right. And this is one of the things I've always said about not supporting I've always said about not supporting I've always said about not supporting Ukraine properly, which we haven't done. Ukraine properly, which we haven't done. Ukraine properly, which we haven't done. we have not supported them enough to be we have not supported them enough to be we have not supported them enough to be able to actually fully repel the able to actually fully repel the able to actually fully repel the aggression from Russia is it would aggression from Russia is it would aggression from Russia is it would inevitably lead to lots of other small inevitably lead to lots of other small inevitably lead to lots of other small countries pursuing nuclear weapons countries pursuing nuclear weapons countries pursuing nuclear weapons because it is the only guarantee of because it is the only guarantee of because it is the only guarantee of security in this world. it that is a security in this world. it that is a security in this world. it that is a huge danger for the world in terms of huge danger for the world in terms of huge danger for the world in terms of nuclear proliferation because if the nuclear proliferation because if the nuclear proliferation because if the precedent is like you say the people precedent is like you say the people precedent is like you say the people with nuclear weapons can do what they with nuclear weapons can do what they with nuclear weapons can do what they want and they can never be attacked and want and they can never be attacked and want and they can never be attacked and the people with no nuclear weapons are the people with no nuclear weapons are the people with no nuclear weapons are vulnerable and weak what would be the vulnerable and weak what would be the vulnerable and weak what would be the most rational thing for you to do if most rational thing for you to do if most rational thing for you to do if you're a smaller country that's the big you're a smaller country that's the big you're a smaller country that's the big danger danger danger >> cuz you know you were talking about a >> cuz you know you were talking about a >> cuz you know you were talking about a uniolar world and a multi-polar world uniolar world and a multi-polar world uniolar world and a multi-polar world but I wonder if the it's going to be how but I wonder if the it's going to be how but I wonder if the it's going to be how many nuclear powers are there there's many nuclear powers are there there's many nuclear powers are there there's like nine or or 10 like nine or or 10 like nine or or 10 >> if the world is going to split into >> if the world is going to split into >> if the world is going to split into these 10 nuclear powers and these 10 these 10 nuclear powers and these 10 these 10 nuclear powers and these 10 nuclear powers can basically do what nuclear powers can basically do what nuclear powers can basically do what they want. they want. they want. >> Well, nuclear powers are different. I >> Well, nuclear powers are different. I >> Well, nuclear powers are different. I don't I don't see Pakistan likely to be don't I don't see Pakistan likely to be don't I don't see Pakistan likely to be rampaging through its neighbors, not at rampaging through its neighbors, not at rampaging through its neighbors, not at least cuz they're all they're all least cuz they're all they're all least cuz they're all they're all nuclear powers themselves. Uh I think nuclear powers themselves. Uh I think nuclear powers themselves. Uh I think you're you're talking about Russia, you're you're talking about Russia, you're you're talking about Russia, China, and the US primarily. I don't see China, and the US primarily. I don't see China, and the US primarily. I don't see Britain, you know, reinvading France, Britain, you know, reinvading France, Britain, you know, reinvading France, although that's something obviously I'm although that's something obviously I'm although that's something obviously I'm in favor of. If Pakistan decided to take in favor of. If Pakistan decided to take in favor of. If Pakistan decided to take a neighboring country though, a neighboring country though, a neighboring country though, >> nobody can really come for them because >> nobody can really come for them because >> nobody can really come for them because >> uh economic >> uh economic >> uh economic >> having one nuke is not the same as >> having one nuke is not the same as >> having one nuke is not the same as having a gigantic nuclear arsenal. I having a gigantic nuclear arsenal. I having a gigantic nuclear arsenal. I think Pakistan is relatively constrained think Pakistan is relatively constrained think Pakistan is relatively constrained in its behavior, but the big superpowers in its behavior, but the big superpowers in its behavior, but the big superpowers are not. So, are not. So, are not. So, >> by the way, retaking France was a joke. >> by the way, retaking France was a joke. >> by the way, retaking France was a joke. I just want to make that clear. I just want to make that clear. I just want to make that clear. >> And there's eight there's nine nuclear >> And there's eight there's nine nuclear >> And there's eight there's nine nuclear powers. United States, Russia, UK, powers. United States, Russia, UK, powers. United States, Russia, UK, France, China, India, Pakistan, North France, China, India, Pakistan, North France, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel. Although I don't Korea, and Israel. Although I don't Korea, and Israel. Although I don't think they admit it. think they admit it. think they admit it. >> Yeah. Israel's policy on nuclear weapons >> Yeah. Israel's policy on nuclear weapons >> Yeah. Israel's policy on nuclear weapons is very funny. Do you know what the is very funny. Do you know what the is very funny. Do you know what the official position is? We don't have official position is? We don't have official position is? We don't have nuclear weapons, but if the state of nuclear weapons, but if the state of nuclear weapons, but if the state of Israel is at risk of being destroyed, we Israel is at risk of being destroyed, we Israel is at risk of being destroyed, we will definitely use them. >> So, how did we get here? What are what >> So, how did we get here? What are what are the factors at play that brought us are the factors at play that brought us are the factors at play that brought us to this particular situation? You talked to this particular situation? You talked to this particular situation? You talked about the crumbling of the Western about the crumbling of the Western about the crumbling of the Western Alliance and other things. What what do Alliance and other things. What what do Alliance and other things. What what do we need to know about what happened for we need to know about what happened for we need to know about what happened for us to get to this state where it seems us to get to this state where it seems us to get to this state where it seems like it's every big power for themsel? like it's every big power for themsel? like it's every big power for themsel? >> Well, partly we've already talked about >> Well, partly we've already talked about >> Well, partly we've already talked about it. So it's it's after 91 in particular it. So it's it's after 91 in particular it. So it's it's after 91 in particular the west loses its not only its sense of the west loses its not only its sense of the west loses its not only its sense of purpose but it loses its its sense of purpose but it loses its its sense of purpose but it loses its its sense of danger and sense of risk. So we get very danger and sense of risk. So we get very danger and sense of risk. So we get very comfortable. I don't know if you know comfortable. I don't know if you know comfortable. I don't know if you know this uh Europe is 12% of the world's this uh Europe is 12% of the world's this uh Europe is 12% of the world's population, 25% of the world's GDP and population, 25% of the world's GDP and population, 25% of the world's GDP and 60% of the world's welfare spending. 60% of the world's welfare spending. 60% of the world's welfare spending. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So if you do that, that is a sign that >> So if you do that, that is a sign that >> So if you do that, that is a sign that you've got very comfortable. You've got you've got very comfortable. You've got you've got very comfortable. You've got very lazy. You have lost the ability to very lazy. You have lost the ability to very lazy. You have lost the ability to realize you live in a dangerous world. realize you live in a dangerous world. realize you live in a dangerous world. It's, you know, this is a bit of a It's, you know, this is a bit of a It's, you know, this is a bit of a sidetrack, but it is an important sidetrack, but it is an important sidetrack, but it is an important addendum to this conversation. This is addendum to this conversation. This is addendum to this conversation. This is why European countries have pursued why European countries have pursued why European countries have pursued economic suicide that we call net zero economic suicide that we call net zero economic suicide that we call net zero as vigorously as we have because we have as vigorously as we have because we have as vigorously as we have because we have felt so safe and so comfortable. we've felt so safe and so comfortable. we've felt so safe and so comfortable. we've engaged in all this luxury uh obsessions engaged in all this luxury uh obsessions engaged in all this luxury uh obsessions to the point where as you know Germany to the point where as you know Germany to the point where as you know Germany destroyed its nuclear facilities uh destroyed its nuclear facilities uh destroyed its nuclear facilities uh thereby making itself reliant on Russian thereby making itself reliant on Russian thereby making itself reliant on Russian gas so that when Russia invaded Ukraine gas so that when Russia invaded Ukraine gas so that when Russia invaded Ukraine the Germans opened the first thing that the Germans opened the first thing that the Germans opened the first thing that they said is oh we were going to support they said is oh we were going to support they said is oh we were going to support Ukraine we're going to give them 5,000 Ukraine we're going to give them 5,000 Ukraine we're going to give them 5,000 helmets right because they were so helmets right because they were so helmets right because they were so dependent on Russian gas because they dependent on Russian gas because they dependent on Russian gas because they refused to produce their own energy this refused to produce their own energy this refused to produce their own energy this is exactly the same thing we've done in is exactly the same thing we've done in is exactly the same thing we've done in Britain Britain has the highest Britain Britain has the highest Britain Britain has the highest industrial electricity prices in the industrial electricity prices in the industrial electricity prices in the world in the developed world which means world in the developed world which means world in the developed world which means we basically destroyed all our we basically destroyed all our we basically destroyed all our manufacturing industry which is now manufacturing industry which is now manufacturing industry which is now produced elsewhere. We're getting to the produced elsewhere. We're getting to the produced elsewhere. We're getting to the point where we can't make our own virgin point where we can't make our own virgin point where we can't make our own virgin steel. Steel is kind of important if you steel. Steel is kind of important if you steel. Steel is kind of important if you want to have a military etc etc etc. So want to have a military etc etc etc. So want to have a military etc etc etc. So in Europe in particular, this has in Europe in particular, this has in Europe in particular, this has happened because we've just felt so safe happened because we've just felt so safe happened because we've just felt so safe and so comfortable and also so and so comfortable and also so and so comfortable and also so rudderless that we've been able to rudderless that we've been able to rudderless that we've been able to engage in all these looney ideas because engage in all these looney ideas because engage in all these looney ideas because there's been no consequence. Well, the there's been no consequence. Well, the there's been no consequence. Well, the consequences are here. consequences are here. consequences are here. >> Where does Britain and Europe sit in the >> Where does Britain and Europe sit in the >> Where does Britain and Europe sit in the sort of rankings of importance in the sort of rankings of importance in the sort of rankings of importance in the world and power? world and power? world and power? >> It's plummeting. >> It's plummeting. >> It's plummeting. I mean, look at the the Trump's uh I mean, look at the the Trump's uh I mean, look at the the Trump's uh 12-day war in Iran, destroying Iran's 12-day war in Iran, destroying Iran's 12-day war in Iran, destroying Iran's nuclear facilities. No one even asked nuclear facilities. No one even asked nuclear facilities. No one even asked the British what we thought about the British what we thought about the British what we thought about anymore. And that's not because, you anymore. And that's not because, you anymore. And that's not because, you know, a lot of people like to say, "Oh, know, a lot of people like to say, "Oh, know, a lot of people like to say, "Oh, you know, the Americans, they hate the you know, the Americans, they hate the you know, the Americans, they hate the British." Americans love Britain. As you British." Americans love Britain. As you British." Americans love Britain. As you know, you live in America now. You have know, you live in America now. You have know, you live in America now. You have a British accent. I'm sure people come a British accent. I'm sure people come a British accent. I'm sure people come up to you all the time and talk to you up to you all the time and talk to you up to you all the time and talk to you about their connections with our about their connections with our about their connections with our country, the shared history, all of that country, the shared history, all of that country, the shared history, all of that stuff. The problem is we have made stuff. The problem is we have made stuff. The problem is we have made ourselves irrelevant because everything ourselves irrelevant because everything ourselves irrelevant because everything that Trump is looking at is strength. that Trump is looking at is strength. that Trump is looking at is strength. Right? Is Britain strong now in the Right? Is Britain strong now in the Right? Is Britain strong now in the world? No. Is Europe strong now in the world? No. Is Europe strong now in the world? No. Is Europe strong now in the world? No. And so if you're not strong, world? No. And so if you're not strong, world? No. And so if you're not strong, you will not be taken seriously. And you will not be taken seriously. And you will not be taken seriously. And unfortunately because of what our unfortunately because of what our unfortunately because of what our leaders have done over success of and leaders have done over success of and leaders have done over success of and it's left right every political party it's left right every political party it's left right every political party that we have that's been in power they that we have that's been in power they that we have that's been in power they have overseen a decline in our status in have overseen a decline in our status in have overseen a decline in our status in the world in our power in the world in the world in our power in the world in the world in our power in the world in our influence in the world to the point our influence in the world to the point our influence in the world to the point now where the Americans are looking at now where the Americans are looking at now where the Americans are looking at Europe and they're going why would we be Europe and they're going why would we be Europe and they're going why would we be allied with people who are not useful to allied with people who are not useful to allied with people who are not useful to us an alliance is kind of like a us an alliance is kind of like a us an alliance is kind of like a marriage both people have to bring marriage both people have to bring marriage both people have to bring something to the table what do we bring something to the table what do we bring something to the table what do we bring to the table from an American to the table from an American to the table from an American perspective perspective perspective >> this is a fairly new thing, isn't it? >> this is a fairly new thing, isn't it? >> this is a fairly new thing, isn't it? Because I remember growing up, I'd Because I remember growing up, I'd Because I remember growing up, I'd repeatedly hear the prime minister of repeatedly hear the prime minister of repeatedly hear the prime minister of the UK talking about how he had spoken the UK talking about how he had spoken the UK talking about how he had spoken to his US counterpart and they had made to his US counterpart and they had made to his US counterpart and they had made a decision and then in even with the a decision and then in even with the a decision and then in even with the Venezuela situation, I think Karma came Venezuela situation, I think Karma came Venezuela situation, I think Karma came out the next day and said like, I had no out the next day and said like, I had no out the next day and said like, I had no idea this was happening. idea this was happening. idea this was happening. >> Of course, but why would you consult >> Of course, but why would you consult >> Of course, but why would you consult with people who don't matter? with people who don't matter? with people who don't matter? >> Why don't we matter? >> Why don't we matter? >> Why don't we matter? >> We don't matter because we have nothing >> We don't matter because we have nothing >> We don't matter because we have nothing to bring to the table. We don't despite to bring to the table. We don't despite to bring to the table. We don't despite the the extremely high level of the the extremely high level of the the extremely high level of professionalism, our technological professionalism, our technological professionalism, our technological superiority, the courage of our soldiers superiority, the courage of our soldiers superiority, the courage of our soldiers and our sailors and our airmen, despite and our sailors and our airmen, despite and our sailors and our airmen, despite the immense military tradition Britain the immense military tradition Britain the immense military tradition Britain has, we have cut I mean our debt has, we have cut I mean our debt has, we have cut I mean our debt interest repayments annually interest repayments annually interest repayments annually 1.5 times heading towards being twice 1.5 times heading towards being twice 1.5 times heading towards being twice our defense budget. We spent more on our defense budget. We spent more on our defense budget. We spent more on paying off the debt, the national debt paying off the debt, the national debt paying off the debt, the national debt every year than we spend on defense. How every year than we spend on defense. How every year than we spend on defense. How did the UK get here? did the UK get here? did the UK get here? >> Well, our our debt to GDP is over 100%. >> Well, our our debt to GDP is over 100%. >> Well, our our debt to GDP is over 100%. We keep borrowing money. We talked about We keep borrowing money. We talked about We keep borrowing money. We talked about the disproportionate amount of welfare the disproportionate amount of welfare the disproportionate amount of welfare spending and social spending and so on. spending and social spending and so on. spending and social spending and so on. We got here by forgetting that we live We got here by forgetting that we live We got here by forgetting that we live in the real world and engaging in lots in the real world and engaging in lots in the real world and engaging in lots of luxury beliefs about what we ought to of luxury beliefs about what we ought to of luxury beliefs about what we ought to do. Uh so we have the highest tax burden do. Uh so we have the highest tax burden do. Uh so we have the highest tax burden in peace time history in this country. in peace time history in this country. in peace time history in this country. And we do that not because we want to And we do that not because we want to And we do that not because we want to have a robust military or to do other have a robust military or to do other have a robust military or to do other things like that. We do it so that we things like that. We do it so that we things like that. We do it so that we can continue to pay ourselves money we can continue to pay ourselves money we can continue to pay ourselves money we don't have borrowing it from our don't have borrowing it from our don't have borrowing it from our children and our grandchildren. And this children and our grandchildren. And this children and our grandchildren. And this is the case across Europe really. is the case across Europe really. is the case across Europe really. America also has a high level of debt America also has a high level of debt America also has a high level of debt but they have a growing economy unlike but they have a growing economy unlike but they have a growing economy unlike ours. Britain uh Britain's GDP per ours. Britain uh Britain's GDP per ours. Britain uh Britain's GDP per capita is lower today than it was in capita is lower today than it was in capita is lower today than it was in 2006. We have per capita which is what 2006. We have per capita which is what 2006. We have per capita which is what matters per person. We have less money matters per person. We have less money matters per person. We have less money today than we did 20 years ago. So our today than we did 20 years ago. So our today than we did 20 years ago. So our economy's declined. We've destroyed our economy's declined. We've destroyed our economy's declined. We've destroyed our manufacturing. we've run down our armed manufacturing. we've run down our armed manufacturing. we've run down our armed forces. And also, I mean, look, forces. And also, I mean, look, forces. And also, I mean, look, President Trump, I think, is fair to President Trump, I think, is fair to President Trump, I think, is fair to say, is quite sensitive about what say, is quite sensitive about what say, is quite sensitive about what people say about him. We have a people say about him. We have a people say about him. We have a government now that very imprudently and government now that very imprudently and government now that very imprudently and unwisely spent the time they were in unwisely spent the time they were in unwisely spent the time they were in opposition on him on a daily opposition on him on a daily opposition on him on a daily basis. David Lambie, if you take, who's basis. David Lambie, if you take, who's basis. David Lambie, if you take, who's our foreign secretary, if you take some our foreign secretary, if you take some our foreign secretary, if you take some of his comments about President Trump, of his comments about President Trump, of his comments about President Trump, they were just deeply irresponsible. they were just deeply irresponsible. they were just deeply irresponsible. whatever you think about the rights and whatever you think about the rights and whatever you think about the rights and wrongs of what he said. A someone who wrongs of what he said. A someone who wrongs of what he said. A someone who has the potential to be this country's has the potential to be this country's has the potential to be this country's foreign secretary in charge of our foreign secretary in charge of our foreign secretary in charge of our relationship with the United States relationship with the United States relationship with the United States cannot be so imprudent as to make those cannot be so imprudent as to make those cannot be so imprudent as to make those kinds of comments. And then you're kinds of comments. And then you're kinds of comments. And then you're going, well, you've just been calling going, well, you've just been calling going, well, you've just been calling this guy every name under the sun and this guy every name under the sun and this guy every name under the sun and now you want to you want to be relevant. now you want to you want to be relevant. now you want to you want to be relevant. You want to be taken seriously. You want You want to be taken seriously. You want You want to be taken seriously. You want to be engaged with as he makes huge to be engaged with as he makes huge to be engaged with as he makes huge decisions about geopolitics. Actions decisions about geopolitics. Actions decisions about geopolitics. Actions have consequences and the actions we have consequences and the actions we have consequences and the actions we have been taken have produced the have been taken have produced the have been taken have produced the consequences that we've got. Now look, I consequences that we've got. Now look, I consequences that we've got. Now look, I am not all doom and gloom about that. If am not all doom and gloom about that. If am not all doom and gloom about that. If we change our strategy and if we change we change our strategy and if we change we change our strategy and if we change our behavior, we can change the pro the our behavior, we can change the pro the our behavior, we can change the pro the the the end product of that. We can do the the end product of that. We can do the the end product of that. We can do that. But that's going to require a that. But that's going to require a that. But that's going to require a massive readjustment massive readjustment massive readjustment >> with the current direction of travel. >> with the current direction of travel. >> with the current direction of travel. Where does the UK end up? Where does the UK end up? Where does the UK end up? >> We're already there. We're irrelevant. >> We're already there. We're irrelevant. >> We're already there. We're irrelevant. We are irrelevant when these, like you We are irrelevant when these, like you We are irrelevant when these, like you said, Venezuela happens. No one cares said, Venezuela happens. No one cares said, Venezuela happens. No one cares about us. When Iran gets bombed, no one about us. When Iran gets bombed, no one about us. When Iran gets bombed, no one cares about us. All the future big cares about us. All the future big cares about us. All the future big decisions about geopolitics are going to decisions about geopolitics are going to decisions about geopolitics are going to be made without Britain even being be made without Britain even being be made without Britain even being considered because it's going to be made considered because it's going to be made considered because it's going to be made by the major powers of which Britain is by the major powers of which Britain is by the major powers of which Britain is no longer one. no longer one. no longer one. >> You choose to live in the UK despite >> You choose to live in the UK despite >> You choose to live in the UK despite your views that the UK is a bit of a your views that the UK is a bit of a your views that the UK is a bit of a sinking ship. I guess sinking ship. I guess sinking ship. I guess >> because of my views actually. >> because of my views actually. >> because of my views actually. >> Because of your views. >> Because of your views. >> Because of your views. >> Yeah. Like look, you've moved to the >> Yeah. Like look, you've moved to the >> Yeah. Like look, you've moved to the United States, which I'm grateful for United States, which I'm grateful for United States, which I'm grateful for cuz it's made us the biggest UK podcast cuz it's made us the biggest UK podcast cuz it's made us the biggest UK podcast in our space. I I appreciate that. But in our space. I I appreciate that. But in our space. I I appreciate that. But as you can imagine, we get offers to do as you can imagine, we get offers to do as you can imagine, we get offers to do the same in all sorts of different ways, the same in all sorts of different ways, the same in all sorts of different ways, and we could have done the same. I love and we could have done the same. I love and we could have done the same. I love this country. I'm very grateful to, and this country. I'm very grateful to, and this country. I'm very grateful to, and I feel to stay and fight for it and to I feel to stay and fight for it and to I feel to stay and fight for it and to articulate my views and try and persuade articulate my views and try and persuade articulate my views and try and persuade people to my point of view so that we people to my point of view so that we people to my point of view so that we can have a British renaissance, so that can have a British renaissance, so that can have a British renaissance, so that we can have a British recovery is my we can have a British recovery is my we can have a British recovery is my duty for as long as I can do that. And duty for as long as I can do that. And duty for as long as I can do that. And if at some point, you know, I feel it's if at some point, you know, I feel it's if at some point, you know, I feel it's completely futile, which I do not. Um, completely futile, which I do not. Um, completely futile, which I do not. Um, >> so you hopeful. >> so you hopeful. >> so you hopeful. >> I'm not despondent to the point of >> I'm not despondent to the point of >> I'm not despondent to the point of giving up is where I am. giving up is where I am. giving up is where I am. >> Are you hopeful? >> Are you hopeful? >> Are you hopeful? >> No. No. But but I'm also not at the >> No. No. But but I'm also not at the >> No. No. But but I'm also not at the point where I feel it's futile. I think point where I feel it's futile. I think point where I feel it's futile. I think there is there is an opportunity to turn there is there is an opportunity to turn there is there is an opportunity to turn things around if if everything comes things around if if everything comes things around if if everything comes together and we're very fortunate. Uh, together and we're very fortunate. Uh, together and we're very fortunate. Uh, and that's what I'm hopefully trying to and that's what I'm hopefully trying to and that's what I'm hopefully trying to contribute to. through history when contribute to. through history when contribute to. through history when companies pursue the strategy that the companies pursue the strategy that the companies pursue the strategy that the UK is currently pursuing UK is currently pursuing UK is currently pursuing >> where where does it end up economically? >> where where does it end up economically? >> where where does it end up economically? >> Well, Stephen, you're the business guy. >> Well, Stephen, you're the business guy. >> Well, Stephen, you're the business guy. You tell me. You tell me. You tell me. >> No, but I don't I'm not I don't have the >> No, but I don't I'm not I don't have the >> No, but I don't I'm not I don't have the greatest view of history and so I'm greatest view of history and so I'm greatest view of history and so I'm wondering if there's because you know in wondering if there's because you know in wondering if there's because you know in the UK I I was born 33 years ago in the UK I I was born 33 years ago in the UK I I was born 33 years ago in Bosotswana and I moved to the UK when I Bosotswana and I moved to the UK when I Bosotswana and I moved to the UK when I was young and um I've always known the was young and um I've always known the was young and um I've always known the UK to be important and consequential and UK to be important and consequential and UK to be important and consequential and the the economy to be, you know, much the the economy to be, you know, much the the economy to be, you know, much better than where I'm from in Botswana. better than where I'm from in Botswana. better than where I'm from in Botswana. So it's it's almost inconceivable for a So it's it's almost inconceivable for a So it's it's almost inconceivable for a British person of my age to to think British person of my age to to think British person of my age to to think that the UK could ever not be that. Yes. that the UK could ever not be that. Yes. that the UK could ever not be that. Yes. Because it's always been in my lifetime. Because it's always been in my lifetime. Because it's always been in my lifetime. >> Yes. But that is in many ways I'm not >> Yes. But that is in many ways I'm not >> Yes. But that is in many ways I'm not pinning the blame on you obviously, but pinning the blame on you obviously, but pinning the blame on you obviously, but that is in many ways how we got here. that is in many ways how we got here. that is in many ways how we got here. Because what we thought collectively Because what we thought collectively Because what we thought collectively was, well, look, no matter what we do, was, well, look, no matter what we do, was, well, look, no matter what we do, we're always going to be Great Britain. we're always going to be Great Britain. we're always going to be Great Britain. We're going to have a great economy. We're going to have a great economy. We're going to have a great economy. We're going to have a strong military. We're going to have a strong military. We're going to have a strong military. We're going to have a this. We're going We're going to have a this. We're going We're going to have a this. We're going to have influence in the world. And then to have influence in the world. And then to have influence in the world. And then we started doing lots of stupid we started doing lots of stupid we started doing lots of stupid And that's how we've ended up in the And that's how we've ended up in the And that's how we've ended up in the place that we've ended up. So this place that we've ended up. So this place that we've ended up. So this country has every potential to be great. country has every potential to be great. country has every potential to be great. The people are incredible. The level of The people are incredible. The level of The people are incredible. The level of education, uh, the scientific and education, uh, the scientific and education, uh, the scientific and technological advances that this country technological advances that this country technological advances that this country has produced, the cultural, look at the has produced, the cultural, look at the has produced, the cultural, look at the greatest bands in human history. Like greatest bands in human history. Like greatest bands in human history. Like half of them are British comedians. I half of them are British comedians. I half of them are British comedians. I mean, standup comedy is not a a British mean, standup comedy is not a a British mean, standup comedy is not a a British invention. It was actually invented in invention. It was actually invented in invention. It was actually invented in America. But look at some of the America. But look at some of the America. But look at some of the greatest comedians in human history. greatest comedians in human history. greatest comedians in human history. Again, lots and lots of British people. Again, lots and lots of British people. Again, lots and lots of British people. So culturally, scientifically, So culturally, scientifically, So culturally, scientifically, technologically, economically, we have technologically, economically, we have technologically, economically, we have the potential. We have to have the the potential. We have to have the the potential. We have to have the correct leadership and the right correct leadership and the right correct leadership and the right strategy. And those two things have been strategy. And those two things have been strategy. And those two things have been lacking for a long time. That's how lacking for a long time. That's how lacking for a long time. That's how we've ended up here. Can we turn it we've ended up here. Can we turn it we've ended up here. Can we turn it around? It's going to be very, very, around? It's going to be very, very, around? It's going to be very, very, very difficult. But I but we've got to very difficult. But I but we've got to very difficult. But I but we've got to try. try. try. >> Why would these issues impact us on a >> Why would these issues impact us on a >> Why would these issues impact us on a individual level? So I'm thinking about individual level? So I'm thinking about individual level? So I'm thinking about the average person listening now, the average person listening now, the average person listening now, whether they are in the United States or whether they are in the United States or whether they are in the United States or here in Britain. You know, this stuff here in Britain. You know, this stuff here in Britain. You know, this stuff happens kind of up above us and we get happens kind of up above us and we get happens kind of up above us and we get on with our lives. But what are the on with our lives. But what are the on with our lives. But what are the symptoms we'll begin to see symptoms we'll begin to see symptoms we'll begin to see >> this multipolar world or the the fall of >> this multipolar world or the the fall of >> this multipolar world or the the fall of Britain? Britain? Britain? >> You are already poorer today than you >> You are already poorer today than you >> You are already poorer today than you were 20 years ago were 20 years ago were 20 years ago >> per capita >> per capita >> per capita >> in the UK. >> in the UK. >> in the UK. >> In the UK, >> In the UK, >> In the UK, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> that seems to me quite important. And in >> that seems to me quite important. And in >> that seems to me quite important. And in fact, many of our conversations about fact, many of our conversations about fact, many of our conversations about domestic issues, whether it's mass domestic issues, whether it's mass domestic issues, whether it's mass immigration and all of these other immigration and all of these other immigration and all of these other things, they're really proxies for that things, they're really proxies for that things, they're really proxies for that conversation. because if we if the conversation. because if we if the conversation. because if we if the economy was growing and people felt economy was growing and people felt economy was growing and people felt richer, richer, richer, all of this stuff would become less all of this stuff would become less all of this stuff would become less important, right? Well, I think we'd important, right? Well, I think we'd important, right? Well, I think we'd agree with that. So, that's one aspect agree with that. So, that's one aspect agree with that. So, that's one aspect of it. The other aspect of it is, as I of it. The other aspect of it is, as I of it. The other aspect of it is, as I talked about the multipolar world being talked about the multipolar world being talked about the multipolar world being by necessity more violent and unstable. by necessity more violent and unstable. by necessity more violent and unstable. We are going, you know, you we I don't We are going, you know, you we I don't We are going, you know, you we I don't know when this will go out, but we're know when this will go out, but we're know when this will go out, but we're recording this in the middle of January. recording this in the middle of January. recording this in the middle of January. It's been like two weeks since the year It's been like two weeks since the year It's been like two weeks since the year started and we've already seen crazy started and we've already seen crazy started and we've already seen crazy amounts of instability geopolitically amounts of instability geopolitically amounts of instability geopolitically already. Is that fair to say? So, this already. Is that fair to say? So, this already. Is that fair to say? So, this will continue and that will bleed will continue and that will bleed will continue and that will bleed through to domestic politics because if through to domestic politics because if through to domestic politics because if you have to spend more of your resources you have to spend more of your resources you have to spend more of your resources worrying about things abroad, it means worrying about things abroad, it means worrying about things abroad, it means you can do less at home and so on and so you can do less at home and so on and so you can do less at home and so on and so on and so on. So the the ramifications on and so on. So the the ramifications on and so on. So the the ramifications of this will be very impactful on of this will be very impactful on of this will be very impactful on everybody around the world more on everybody around the world more on everybody around the world more on non-western countries because they a lot non-western countries because they a lot non-western countries because they a lot of them are going to be in the front of them are going to be in the front of them are going to be in the front line of this in in the way that I I line of this in in the way that I I line of this in in the way that I I doubt we will be. Uh but still the doubt we will be. Uh but still the doubt we will be. Uh but still the consequences for us will be very consequences for us will be very consequences for us will be very significant. significant. significant. >> And we're seeing adjacent to this this >> And we're seeing adjacent to this this >> And we're seeing adjacent to this this rise in socialism. rise in socialism. rise in socialism. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The conversation around socialism. >> The conversation around socialism. >> The conversation around socialism. Obviously Menani has been elected mayor. Obviously Menani has been elected mayor. Obviously Menani has been elected mayor. But do you think this is at all linked But do you think this is at all linked But do you think this is at all linked to the bigger picture this rise in to the bigger picture this rise in to the bigger picture this rise in socialism? socialism? socialism? >> Yeah. In fact, I I think you know I >> Yeah. In fact, I I think you know I >> Yeah. In fact, I I think you know I wrote an article a long time ago called wrote an article a long time ago called wrote an article a long time ago called Why I Fear the Future and I did a video Why I Fear the Future and I did a video Why I Fear the Future and I did a video based on it in which I talked about based on it in which I talked about based on it in which I talked about something. It's interesting. I did a something. It's interesting. I did a something. It's interesting. I did a live show um here in London just before live show um here in London just before live show um here in London just before Christmas and I did a book signing and Christmas and I did a book signing and Christmas and I did a book signing and one of the guys came up to me and he one of the guys came up to me and he one of the guys came up to me and he said, "I've got two kids. They're both said, "I've got two kids. They're both said, "I've got two kids. They're both teenagers, daughter and the son and I'm teenagers, daughter and the son and I'm teenagers, daughter and the son and I'm trying to pull the daughter in from the trying to pull the daughter in from the trying to pull the daughter in from the far left and I'm trying to pull the son far left and I'm trying to pull the son far left and I'm trying to pull the son in from the far right." That's going to in from the far right." That's going to in from the far right." That's going to be the big challenge going forward be the big challenge going forward be the big challenge going forward because um the amount of chaos and because um the amount of chaos and because um the amount of chaos and instability and cultural kind of instability and cultural kind of instability and cultural kind of cultural upheaval that we've seen has cultural upheaval that we've seen has cultural upheaval that we've seen has produced a craving for order and on the produced a craving for order and on the produced a craving for order and on the social that's the right side you know we social that's the right side you know we social that's the right side you know we must you know get this and on the other must you know get this and on the other must you know get this and on the other side it's produced a sense of injustice side it's produced a sense of injustice side it's produced a sense of injustice and the pursuit of inequality. That's and the pursuit of inequality. That's and the pursuit of inequality. That's why you hear people talk so much about why you hear people talk so much about why you hear people talk so much about the rich the rich the rich the rich and the rich the rich the rich the rich and the rich the rich the rich the rich and you know eat the rich we got to you know eat the rich we got to you know eat the rich we got to redistribute all of this stuff because redistribute all of this stuff because redistribute all of this stuff because particularly in the big cities young particularly in the big cities young particularly in the big cities young people rightly feel that they can they people rightly feel that they can they people rightly feel that they can they can't really get on the housing ladder can't really get on the housing ladder can't really get on the housing ladder they can't establish a family life is they can't establish a family life is they can't establish a family life is more difficult so they reach for these more difficult so they reach for these more difficult so they reach for these very um dis disproven discredited and very um dis disproven discredited and very um dis disproven discredited and completely unworkable solutions of the completely unworkable solutions of the completely unworkable solutions of the kind Manny uh will of course deliver but kind Manny uh will of course deliver but kind Manny uh will of course deliver but it's because their sense of their sense it's because their sense of their sense it's because their sense of their sense is that the future's been taken away is that the future's been taken away is that the future's been taken away from And in many ways they're correct from And in many ways they're correct from And in many ways they're correct because as I said earlier we have been because as I said earlier we have been because as I said earlier we have been borrowing from our children and our borrowing from our children and our borrowing from our children and our grandchildren. We've been saddling with grandchildren. We've been saddling with grandchildren. We've been saddling with crippling debts our entire economy that crippling debts our entire economy that crippling debts our entire economy that will come to an end and it's going to be will come to an end and it's going to be will come to an end and it's going to be them that is left to foot the bill and them that is left to foot the bill and them that is left to foot the bill and it's going to be very painful and partly it's going to be very painful and partly it's going to be very painful and partly they see that and already they see that they see that and already they see that they see that and already they see that they just can't afford the life that they just can't afford the life that they just can't afford the life that they want. I do think in the United they want. I do think in the United they want. I do think in the United States it's a much more contained States it's a much more contained States it's a much more contained phenomenon. I think Mamani and if you phenomenon. I think Mamani and if you phenomenon. I think Mamani and if you look at sort of the American socialists, look at sort of the American socialists, look at sort of the American socialists, they all tend to cluster around New York they all tend to cluster around New York they all tend to cluster around New York and one or two other big cities. It's and one or two other big cities. It's and one or two other big cities. It's not like the entirety of America is not like the entirety of America is not like the entirety of America is going socialist. But I think housing going socialist. But I think housing going socialist. But I think housing unaffordability is one. Another unaffordability is one. Another unaffordability is one. Another explanation which I think is also explanation which I think is also explanation which I think is also powerful is what's called elite over powerful is what's called elite over powerful is what's called elite over production which is if you have as Tony production which is if you have as Tony production which is if you have as Tony Blair did this idea that 50% of the Blair did this idea that 50% of the Blair did this idea that 50% of the public should should go to university. public should should go to university. public should should go to university. Well, they do and then it turns out Well, they do and then it turns out Well, they do and then it turns out there's not enough jobs for them. there's not enough jobs for them. there's not enough jobs for them. Particularly in the age of AI where they Particularly in the age of AI where they Particularly in the age of AI where they are the jobs that are being eliminated are the jobs that are being eliminated are the jobs that are being eliminated very rapidly. You then get a lot of very rapidly. You then get a lot of very rapidly. You then get a lot of people whose entitlement is up here and people whose entitlement is up here and people whose entitlement is up here and whose prospects are down here. That whose prospects are down here. That whose prospects are down here. That produces a tremendous amount of social produces a tremendous amount of social produces a tremendous amount of social disease as well. disease as well. disease as well. >> I think this is a really important >> I think this is a really important >> I think this is a really important connected point connected point connected point on the subject of socialism and the rise on the subject of socialism and the rise on the subject of socialism and the rise of socialism that we will see is this of socialism that we will see is this of socialism that we will see is this point of AI. And when I listen to very point of AI. And when I listen to very point of AI. And when I listen to very very smart people who are considered to very smart people who are considered to very smart people who are considered to be the godfathers of AI or CEOs who are be the godfathers of AI or CEOs who are be the godfathers of AI or CEOs who are building these technology companies, building these technology companies, building these technology companies, there seems to be a consensus that there seems to be a consensus that there seems to be a consensus that socialism will only increase because the socialism will only increase because the socialism will only increase because the job losses associated with AI are going job losses associated with AI are going job losses associated with AI are going to be pretty quick and pretty extreme. to be pretty quick and pretty extreme. to be pretty quick and pretty extreme. And um I mean one of them that most And um I mean one of them that most And um I mean one of them that most Brits won't understand is something we Brits won't understand is something we Brits won't understand is something we understand now living in America, which understand now living in America, which understand now living in America, which is my car drives itself. is my car drives itself. is my car drives itself. >> Yes. And I I've said this a few times >> Yes. And I I've said this a few times >> Yes. And I I've said this a few times because I'm really trying to it's like because I'm really trying to it's like because I'm really trying to it's like the first moment Eureka moment I think the first moment Eureka moment I think the first moment Eureka moment I think you have is in America when I get in my you have is in America when I get in my you have is in America when I get in my car I don't touch the steering wheel or car I don't touch the steering wheel or car I don't touch the steering wheel or the pedals and it can drive me to Joshua the pedals and it can drive me to Joshua the pedals and it can drive me to Joshua Tree which is like 2 and a half three Tree which is like 2 and a half three Tree which is like 2 and a half three hours away uninterrupted and I say this hours away uninterrupted and I say this hours away uninterrupted and I say this because driving is like one of the because driving is like one of the because driving is like one of the biggest employees in the world. I think biggest employees in the world. I think biggest employees in the world. I think it is the biggest profession in the it is the biggest profession in the it is the biggest profession in the world world world >> and London just announced that Whimos >> and London just announced that Whimos >> and London just announced that Whimos are here and soon surely Teslas will be are here and soon surely Teslas will be are here and soon surely Teslas will be allowed to do full self-driving here as allowed to do full self-driving here as allowed to do full self-driving here as well well well >> and in such a world delivery drivers, >> and in such a world delivery drivers, >> and in such a world delivery drivers, taxi drivers, Uber drivers are going to taxi drivers, Uber drivers are going to taxi drivers, Uber drivers are going to be without jobs and we're seeing this um be without jobs and we're seeing this um be without jobs and we're seeing this um huge rise in autonomous humanoid robots huge rise in autonomous humanoid robots huge rise in autonomous humanoid robots as well as well as well >> and Elon's pay packet says that he he >> and Elon's pay packet says that he he >> and Elon's pay packet says that he he will make a million of these autonomous will make a million of these autonomous will make a million of these autonomous robots and get them out into the world robots and get them out into the world robots and get them out into the world and Jason Kakanakas who just visited and Jason Kakanakas who just visited and Jason Kakanakas who just visited Elon 's factory said there'll be a Elon 's factory said there'll be a Elon 's factory said there'll be a billion of these and he thinks that we billion of these and he thinks that we billion of these and he thinks that we won't even even remember Tesla for won't even even remember Tesla for won't even even remember Tesla for making cars will only remember them for making cars will only remember them for making cars will only remember them for the robots they're made because these the robots they're made because these the robots they're made because these Optimus robots which are coming are Optimus robots which are coming are Optimus robots which are coming are going to be so consequential and the going to be so consequential and the going to be so consequential and the last point here is a very good friend of last point here is a very good friend of last point here is a very good friend of mine who runs this big sort of mine who runs this big sort of mine who runs this big sort of innovation accelerator in San Francisco innovation accelerator in San Francisco innovation accelerator in San Francisco I visited the accelerator a couple of I visited the accelerator a couple of I visited the accelerator a couple of weeks back and um he I said to him why weeks back and um he I said to him why weeks back and um he I said to him why why is everybody here all these young why is everybody here all these young why is everybody here all these young founders these 40 50 young founders in founders these 40 50 young founders in founders these 40 50 young founders in your building called effing all working your building called effing all working your building called effing all working on robotics and he goes well you know on robotics and he goes well you know on robotics and he goes well you know we've had all parts for like 20, 30 we've had all parts for like 20, 30 we've had all parts for like 20, 30 years. But the expensive part was the years. But the expensive part was the years. But the expensive part was the intelligence. intelligence. intelligence. >> The brain. >> The brain. >> The brain. >> Yeah. The brain. He goes, "Now we have >> Yeah. The brain. He goes, "Now we have >> Yeah. The brain. He goes, "Now we have the bra." He said, "It used to He showed the bra." He said, "It used to He showed the bra." He said, "It used to He showed me this arm, this robotic arm that had a me this arm, this robotic arm that had a me this arm, this robotic arm that had a frying pan on it that would cook for you frying pan on it that would cook for you frying pan on it that would cook for you in a box. It just cooks whatever you in a box. It just cooks whatever you in a box. It just cooks whatever you want in a box." And he goes, "We've had want in a box." And he goes, "We've had want in a box." And he goes, "We've had all these parts for the last 30 years." all these parts for the last 30 years." all these parts for the last 30 years." That they were cheap. He goes, "The the That they were cheap. He goes, "The the That they were cheap. He goes, "The the intelligence part, the brain would cost intelligence part, the brain would cost intelligence part, the brain would cost 20 or $30,000 just for this little robot 20 or $30,000 just for this little robot 20 or $30,000 just for this little robot arm." He goes, "Now it's like 2 cents." arm." He goes, "Now it's like 2 cents." arm." He goes, "Now it's like 2 cents." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he say, "So you're seeing this huge >> And he say, "So you're seeing this huge >> And he say, "So you're seeing this huge explosion in robotics." I don't think explosion in robotics." I don't think explosion in robotics." I don't think people understand what's coming. people understand what's coming. people understand what's coming. >> No. And going to San Francisco is >> No. And going to San Francisco is >> No. And going to San Francisco is eyeopening on two levels. Number one is eyeopening on two levels. Number one is eyeopening on two levels. Number one is like a quarter to a third of the cars on like a quarter to a third of the cars on like a quarter to a third of the cars on the road don't have drivers. the road don't have drivers. the road don't have drivers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And just visually seeing that is so >> And just visually seeing that is so >> And just visually seeing that is so striking. striking. striking. >> Um but the other thing is talking to >> Um but the other thing is talking to >> Um but the other thing is talking to some of the people involved. There is a some of the people involved. There is a some of the people involved. There is a there are some people who are fairly there are some people who are fairly there are some people who are fairly sensible about it, fairly responsible sensible about it, fairly responsible sensible about it, fairly responsible among the founders, although they will among the founders, although they will among the founders, although they will still say and I think they're right that still say and I think they're right that still say and I think they're right that like if we don't do this, China will and like if we don't do this, China will and like if we don't do this, China will and so we've got to do this. But there's so we've got to do this. But there's so we've got to do this. But there's also a lot and I I'm sure you've also a lot and I I'm sure you've also a lot and I I'm sure you've encountered there's a kind of you know encountered there's a kind of you know encountered there's a kind of you know that famous Facebook mantra of move fast that famous Facebook mantra of move fast that famous Facebook mantra of move fast and break things. There's a lot of that and break things. There's a lot of that and break things. There's a lot of that going on in the AI space and so it's going on in the AI space and so it's going on in the AI space and so it's going to be hugely impactful. I don't going to be hugely impactful. I don't going to be hugely impactful. I don't claim to know the the all the little claim to know the the all the little claim to know the the all the little details of how that will play out other details of how that will play out other details of how that will play out other than to say it's going to be very than to say it's going to be very than to say it's going to be very disruptive. Uh and disruptiveness has disruptive. Uh and disruptiveness has disruptive. Uh and disruptiveness has happened throughout human history. It's happened throughout human history. It's happened throughout human history. It's always produced a backlash. It's always always produced a backlash. It's always always produced a backlash. It's always caused a lot of disease. But then caused a lot of disease. But then caused a lot of disease. But then humanity has managed to recover. This is humanity has managed to recover. This is humanity has managed to recover. This is different level and we will see how it different level and we will see how it different level and we will see how it plays out. But yeah, of course it's plays out. But yeah, of course it's plays out. But yeah, of course it's going to be and yeah, a world in which going to be and yeah, a world in which going to be and yeah, a world in which millions of people in which millions of millions of people in which millions of millions of people in which millions of people no longer have jobs and most of people no longer have jobs and most of people no longer have jobs and most of them are disproportionately young people them are disproportionately young people them are disproportionately young people who are more prone to extremism anyway. who are more prone to extremism anyway. who are more prone to extremism anyway. Yeah, that's not a pretty picture Yeah, that's not a pretty picture Yeah, that's not a pretty picture >> and one would assume that the wealth >> and one would assume that the wealth >> and one would assume that the wealth will acrude to a few. will acrude to a few. will acrude to a few. >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, >> in such a scenario. >> in such a scenario. >> in such a scenario. >> And what's funny is I have said really >> And what's funny is I have said really >> And what's funny is I have said really only half jokingly. I mean I wrote a only half jokingly. I mean I wrote a only half jokingly. I mean I wrote a whole book about my opposition to whole book about my opposition to whole book about my opposition to communism and socialism based on communism and socialism based on communism and socialism based on experience. experience. experience. In a world in which no one has a job, In a world in which no one has a job, In a world in which no one has a job, I'm like 100% on board with communism. I'm like 100% on board with communism. I'm like 100% on board with communism. >> Do you think that's the world we're >> Do you think that's the world we're >> Do you think that's the world we're heading towards? heading towards? heading towards? >> Possibly. >> Possibly. >> Possibly. >> Yeah. But it makes sense. I mean, like >> Yeah. But it makes sense. I mean, like >> Yeah. But it makes sense. I mean, like you, if you think about it from the you, if you think about it from the you, if you think about it from the perspective of perspective of perspective of 50 people in the world, have all the 50 people in the world, have all the 50 people in the world, have all the money in the world, and everyone else money in the world, and everyone else money in the world, and everyone else has no job. I think a little bit of has no job. I think a little bit of has no job. I think a little bit of wealth redistribution is going to be wealth redistribution is going to be wealth redistribution is going to be unavoidable in that situation. And it unavoidable in that situation. And it unavoidable in that situation. And it can either happen voluntarily or it's can either happen voluntarily or it's can either happen voluntarily or it's going to happen at the end of bayonets. going to happen at the end of bayonets. going to happen at the end of bayonets. That's the choice. That's the choice. That's the choice. >> When you say communism would be the only >> When you say communism would be the only >> When you say communism would be the only choice in such a scenario, what what choice in such a scenario, what what choice in such a scenario, what what does that mean? does that mean? does that mean? >> Uh it means everybody gets paid for >> Uh it means everybody gets paid for >> Uh it means everybody gets paid for existing, existing, existing, right? Well, I mean, what else is there? right? Well, I mean, what else is there? right? Well, I mean, what else is there? You're going to create fake jobs for You're going to create fake jobs for You're going to create fake jobs for people. That's not going to work, right? people. That's not going to work, right? people. That's not going to work, right? So if if all the wealth in the world is So if if all the wealth in the world is So if if all the wealth in the world is going to be created by robots, a world going to be created by robots, a world going to be created by robots, a world in which th the products of their labor in which th the products of their labor in which th the products of their labor it only acrus to 50 people who had the it only acrus to 50 people who had the it only acrus to 50 people who had the idea or did the work 20 years ago that's idea or did the work 20 years ago that's idea or did the work 20 years ago that's not going to sustain itself. And so uh not going to sustain itself. And so uh not going to sustain itself. And so uh it would be very very unwise of those it would be very very unwise of those it would be very very unwise of those people to attempt to hold on to all that people to attempt to hold on to all that people to attempt to hold on to all that wealth and it would not end well for wealth and it would not end well for wealth and it would not end well for them in my opinion. them in my opinion. them in my opinion. >> On a personal level, you know, this >> On a personal level, you know, this >> On a personal level, you know, this disruption is going to happen in your disruption is going to happen in your disruption is going to happen in your lifetime. lifetime. lifetime. >> Yeah. Are you thinking much about it or >> Yeah. Are you thinking much about it or >> Yeah. Are you thinking much about it or planning for it at all? Did has it planning for it at all? Did has it planning for it at all? Did has it changed any of the decisions you you changed any of the decisions you you changed any of the decisions you you make on a a day-to-day basis or make on a a day-to-day basis or make on a a day-to-day basis or month-to-month basis? month-to-month basis? month-to-month basis? >> Well, I'm very fortunate that I am >> Well, I'm very fortunate that I am >> Well, I'm very fortunate that I am probably a little harder to replace with probably a little harder to replace with probably a little harder to replace with a robot just because people don't really a robot just because people don't really a robot just because people don't really want to hear robots opinions. I would want to hear robots opinions. I would want to hear robots opinions. I would imagine we might get to that point, but imagine we might get to that point, but imagine we might get to that point, but I think it's unlikely. So on my my own I think it's unlikely. So on my my own I think it's unlikely. So on my my own level, I'm probably, you know, the time level, I'm probably, you know, the time level, I'm probably, you know, the time scale I'm working to in the next 10 scale I'm working to in the next 10 scale I'm working to in the next 10 years, I imagine I'll I'll get myself to years, I imagine I'll I'll get myself to years, I imagine I'll I'll get myself to a point where I'm going to be reasonably a point where I'm going to be reasonably a point where I'm going to be reasonably comfortable no matter what happens. For comfortable no matter what happens. For comfortable no matter what happens. For my children, my children, my children, >> that was us cutting forward 10 years and >> that was us cutting forward 10 years and >> that was us cutting forward 10 years and watching. watching. watching. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just totally me just >> Yeah. Yeah. Just totally me just >> Yeah. Yeah. Just totally me just unemployed long. unemployed long. unemployed long. I can't believe what happened. For my I can't believe what happened. For my I can't believe what happened. For my children, it's a very different children, it's a very different children, it's a very different conversation. Uh so a lot of people are conversation. Uh so a lot of people are conversation. Uh so a lot of people are like, well, you know, what should I like, well, you know, what should I like, well, you know, what should I teach my children? And people are, oh teach my children? And people are, oh teach my children? And people are, oh yeah, they should be a plumber. I don't yeah, they should be a plumber. I don't yeah, they should be a plumber. I don't think you're going to need plumbers 15, think you're going to need plumbers 15, think you're going to need plumbers 15, 20 years from now either. So I I 20 years from now either. So I I 20 years from now either. So I I honestly don't know what that future honestly don't know what that future honestly don't know what that future looks like. And in many ways, that's looks like. And in many ways, that's looks like. And in many ways, that's always been the reality of life for most always been the reality of life for most always been the reality of life for most people. We are living through one of people. We are living through one of people. We are living through one of those great transitions in human history those great transitions in human history those great transitions in human history in which all you can do is equip your in which all you can do is equip your in which all you can do is equip your children with the basic skill sets of children with the basic skill sets of children with the basic skill sets of life as opposed to what might have been life as opposed to what might have been life as opposed to what might have been done 20 30 years ago where like you you done 20 30 years ago where like you you done 20 30 years ago where like you you get you go to school to develop a skill get you go to school to develop a skill get you go to school to develop a skill to go to university to build a career. to go to university to build a career. to go to university to build a career. Now, you're going to have to show a lot Now, you're going to have to show a lot Now, you're going to have to show a lot of flex in this modern world. So, you're of flex in this modern world. So, you're of flex in this modern world. So, you're going to have to be personable. You're going to have to be personable. You're going to have to be personable. You're going to have to be resourceful. You're going to have to be resourceful. You're going to have to be resourceful. You're going to have to be creative. You're going to have to be creative. You're going to have to be creative. You're going to have to go have a a positive going to have to go have a a positive going to have to go have a a positive go-getter mindset. You're going to have go-getter mindset. You're going to have go-getter mindset. You're going to have to have those basics nailed down as to have those basics nailed down as to have those basics nailed down as opposed to here's the career that you've opposed to here's the career that you've opposed to here's the career that you've been predetermined to have, unless of been predetermined to have, unless of been predetermined to have, unless of course you go into AI and robotics, in course you go into AI and robotics, in course you go into AI and robotics, in which case you probably won't be which case you probably won't be which case you probably won't be replaced for at least 5 years. replaced for at least 5 years. replaced for at least 5 years. >> I think there's something to the fact >> I think there's something to the fact >> I think there's something to the fact that there's an angst with AI. And when that there's an angst with AI. And when that there's an angst with AI. And when you know people listen to podcasts all you know people listen to podcasts all you know people listen to podcasts all the time. Yeah. the time. Yeah. the time. Yeah. >> They everyone who has a job in a big >> They everyone who has a job in a big >> They everyone who has a job in a big corporate environment now is being told corporate environment now is being told corporate environment now is being told by their CEO that you better learn AI or by their CEO that you better learn AI or by their CEO that you better learn AI or it's going to replace you. So we're it's going to replace you. So we're it's going to replace you. So we're living in this moment of living in this moment of living in this moment of >> there's like aliens coming over the >> there's like aliens coming over the >> there's like aliens coming over the horizon and we've spotted them. horizon and we've spotted them. horizon and we've spotted them. >> They're not quite here yet, >> They're not quite here yet, >> They're not quite here yet, >> but it's it's like saying to the general >> but it's it's like saying to the general >> but it's it's like saying to the general public, look, there's aliens coming and public, look, there's aliens coming and public, look, there's aliens coming and they're coming for your job and they're coming for your job and they're coming for your job and everything you value. That angst in and everything you value. That angst in and everything you value. That angst in and of itself I think can drive people of itself I think can drive people of itself I think can drive people towards ideas like socialism towards ideas like socialism towards ideas like socialism understandably. understandably. understandably. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because you you know it's it's a it's a >> Because you you know it's it's a it's a >> Because you you know it's it's a it's a deep existential angst deep existential angst deep existential angst >> and also a lot of the AI people not all >> and also a lot of the AI people not all >> and also a lot of the AI people not all of them a lot of them are being but a of them a lot of them are being but a of them a lot of them are being but a lot of them are being deeply lot of them are being deeply lot of them are being deeply irresponsible and very unwise with their irresponsible and very unwise with their irresponsible and very unwise with their messaging. What? Last time I was in New messaging. What? Last time I was in New messaging. What? Last time I was in New York, I was walking through Time Square. York, I was walking through Time Square. York, I was walking through Time Square. There was this giant billboard which There was this giant billboard which There was this giant billboard which said, it was the name of the company, said, it was the name of the company, said, it was the name of the company, which I don't remember. Stop hiring which I don't remember. Stop hiring which I don't remember. Stop hiring humans. The age of the AI employees humans. The age of the AI employees humans. The age of the AI employees here. I'm going, have you really thought here. I'm going, have you really thought here. I'm going, have you really thought about this? Have you thought about about this? Have you thought about about this? Have you thought about putting your company's name on this putting your company's name on this putting your company's name on this poster? Do you understand the impact poster? Do you understand the impact poster? Do you understand the impact this is going to have on a normal person this is going to have on a normal person this is going to have on a normal person looking at that? Um, but they are. So, looking at that? Um, but they are. So, looking at that? Um, but they are. So, the thing is with AI is the the positive the thing is with AI is the the positive the thing is with AI is the the positive upsides of it are limitless. Literally upsides of it are limitless. Literally upsides of it are limitless. Literally limitless. And so a lot of the people limitless. And so a lot of the people limitless. And so a lot of the people who are in that space, that's what they who are in that space, that's what they who are in that space, that's what they focus on. And they're like, we can solve focus on. And they're like, we can solve focus on. And they're like, we can solve cancer. We can solve medical problems. cancer. We can solve medical problems. cancer. We can solve medical problems. We can have AI that's better than any We can have AI that's better than any We can have AI that's better than any physicist that can ever that's ever physicist that can ever that's ever physicist that can ever that's ever lived that can give us the, you know, lived that can give us the, you know, lived that can give us the, you know, the eternal engine or or or whatever. We the eternal engine or or or whatever. We the eternal engine or or or whatever. We don't need energy anymore. Like there don't need energy anymore. Like there don't need energy anymore. Like there are all sorts of crazy things that come are all sorts of crazy things that come are all sorts of crazy things that come out of AI that are potentially out of AI that are potentially out of AI that are potentially beneficial. And that is exciting. But beneficial. And that is exciting. But beneficial. And that is exciting. But the angst that you talk about, I think, the angst that you talk about, I think, the angst that you talk about, I think, is there. And I think it's also quite is there. And I think it's also quite is there. And I think it's also quite rational. You just reminded me of a rational. You just reminded me of a rational. You just reminded me of a video that came out this week from Elon video that came out this week from Elon video that came out this week from Elon where he says this. I'll play it for where he says this. I'll play it for where he says this. I'll play it for you. I think it's this one's. So, he's you. I think it's this one's. So, he's you. I think it's this one's. So, he's talking about Elon's talking about the talking about Elon's talking about the talking about Elon's talking about the robots that are about to be released robots that are about to be released robots that are about to be released from Tesla, which are called Optimus. from Tesla, which are called Optimus. from Tesla, which are called Optimus. And someone's asking him And someone's asking him And someone's asking him >> how good they will be at surgery. >> how good they will be at surgery. >> how good they will be at surgery. >> What do you think Optimus will be a >> What do you think Optimus will be a >> What do you think Optimus will be a better surgeon than the best surgeons? better surgeon than the best surgeons? better surgeon than the best surgeons? How long for that? How long for that? How long for that? >> Three years. >> Three years. >> Three years. >> Three years. Okay. Yeah. And by the way, >> Three years. Okay. Yeah. And by the way, >> Three years. Okay. Yeah. And by the way, I say three years. I say three years. I say three years. at scale. at scale. at scale. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And there will be more probably more >> And there will be more probably more >> And there will be more probably more Optimus robots that are great surgeons Optimus robots that are great surgeons Optimus robots that are great surgeons than there are than there are than there are >> all surgeons on Earth. >> all surgeons on Earth. >> all surgeons on Earth. >> And the cost of that but that's an >> And the cost of that but that's an >> And the cost of that but that's an important statement in 3 years time. important statement in 3 years time. important statement in 3 years time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um because medicine I mean absolutely >> Um because medicine I mean absolutely >> Um because medicine I mean absolutely if it's four or five years who cares. if it's four or five years who cares. if it's four or five years who cares. It's still an It's still an It's still an >> extreme precision. >> extreme precision. >> extreme precision. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Three years. Um, >> Three years. Um, >> Three years. Um, yes. Better than any any probably I'd yes. Better than any any probably I'd yes. Better than any any probably I'd say if you like put a little margin on say if you like put a little margin on say if you like put a little margin on it. Better than any human in four years it. Better than any human in four years it. Better than any human in four years >> who's in plastic surgery. 5 years is not >> who's in plastic surgery. 5 years is not >> who's in plastic surgery. 5 years is not even close. even close. even close. >> I think your point was medicine is going >> I think your point was medicine is going >> I think your point was medicine is going to be effectively free. The best to be effectively free. The best to be effectively free. The best medicine in the world. medicine in the world. medicine in the world. >> Everyone will have access to medical >> Everyone will have access to medical >> Everyone will have access to medical care that is better than what the care that is better than what the care that is better than what the president receives right now. president receives right now. president receives right now. >> So don't go to medical school. >> So don't go to medical school. >> So don't go to medical school. >> Yes. Pointless. >> Yes. Pointless. >> Yes. Pointless. >> Yeah. pointless going to medical school. >> Yeah. pointless going to medical school. >> Yeah. pointless going to medical school. >> Look, he knows way more about this than >> Look, he knows way more about this than >> Look, he knows way more about this than I do. I would also say that I think both I do. I would also say that I think both I do. I would also say that I think both the incentive structure and his personal the incentive structure and his personal the incentive structure and his personal temperament lean towards a kind of temperament lean towards a kind of temperament lean towards a kind of optimism and there's a sales dimension optimism and there's a sales dimension optimism and there's a sales dimension to this as well, obviously, cuz he's one to this as well, obviously, cuz he's one to this as well, obviously, cuz he's one of the people producing the stuff. So, of the people producing the stuff. So, of the people producing the stuff. So, his optimism may be a product of the his optimism may be a product of the his optimism may be a product of the incentive structure that he's subject incentive structure that he's subject incentive structure that he's subject to. But even if it's not 3 years, to. But even if it's not 3 years, to. But even if it's not 3 years, I I don't think it's more than 10 years. I I don't think it's more than 10 years. I I don't think it's more than 10 years. So, that's the time frame. And given how So, that's the time frame. And given how So, that's the time frame. And given how long it takes to train to become a long it takes to train to become a long it takes to train to become a doctor. Yeah. doctor. Yeah. doctor. Yeah. >> I want to talk about the situation in >> I want to talk about the situation in >> I want to talk about the situation in Iran. Iran. Iran. >> We're seeing what one might call an >> We're seeing what one might call an >> We're seeing what one might call an uprising at the moment where protesters uprising at the moment where protesters uprising at the moment where protesters are are on the street in a country where are are on the street in a country where are are on the street in a country where it is very very dangerous um and also it is very very dangerous um and also it is very very dangerous um and also very brave to protest against the very brave to protest against the very brave to protest against the leadership there. Where does this fit in leadership there. Where does this fit in leadership there. Where does this fit in the broader context? What what the hell the broader context? What what the hell the broader context? What what the hell is going on? is going on? is going on? >> I am not an expert on Iran, but >> I am not an expert on Iran, but >> I am not an expert on Iran, but effectively what's happening in Iran is effectively what's happening in Iran is effectively what's happening in Iran is an attempted counterrevolution. So they an attempted counterrevolution. So they an attempted counterrevolution. So they had a revolution in 1979. They overthrew had a revolution in 1979. They overthrew had a revolution in 1979. They overthrew the ruler, the sha, and they replaced the ruler, the sha, and they replaced the ruler, the sha, and they replaced him with a an Islamic dictatorship, him with a an Islamic dictatorship, him with a an Islamic dictatorship, which is what you've had since 1979. And which is what you've had since 1979. And which is what you've had since 1979. And the people of Iran have attempted to the people of Iran have attempted to the people of Iran have attempted to overthrow this Islamic dictatorship overthrow this Islamic dictatorship overthrow this Islamic dictatorship repeatedly. They've always been brutally repeatedly. They've always been brutally repeatedly. They've always been brutally suppressed. And that's basically what's suppressed. And that's basically what's suppressed. And that's basically what's happening now again. happening now again. happening now again. >> And is does this fit somewhere into the >> And is does this fit somewhere into the >> And is does this fit somewhere into the broader conflict of geopolitics in the broader conflict of geopolitics in the broader conflict of geopolitics in the US, the multipol? Well, only in the US, the multipol? Well, only in the US, the multipol? Well, only in the sense that you can see that even sense that you can see that even sense that you can see that even President Trump, who's talked quite President Trump, who's talked quite President Trump, who's talked quite brashly about what he might do if this brashly about what he might do if this brashly about what he might do if this sort of gets out of hand, is still not sort of gets out of hand, is still not sort of gets out of hand, is still not as we speak doing anything about it on a as we speak doing anything about it on a as we speak doing anything about it on a on a kind of kinetic level. And that's on a kind of kinetic level. And that's on a kind of kinetic level. And that's partly for the reasons that we talked partly for the reasons that we talked partly for the reasons that we talked about earlier, which is the United about earlier, which is the United about earlier, which is the United States is deeply deeply the United States is deeply deeply the United States is deeply deeply the United States public are deeply deeply States public are deeply deeply States public are deeply deeply skeptical about foreign interventions. skeptical about foreign interventions. skeptical about foreign interventions. And so the idea that we that we the West And so the idea that we that we the West And so the idea that we that we the West would support a a regime change in Iran would support a a regime change in Iran would support a a regime change in Iran is not something that you can sell to is not something that you can sell to is not something that you can sell to the American people right now. And so he the American people right now. And so he the American people right now. And so he has to be he has to be much more careful has to be he has to be much more careful has to be he has to be much more careful about what he might otherwise have done about what he might otherwise have done about what he might otherwise have done in Iran. And so because of that, the in Iran. And so because of that, the in Iran. And so because of that, the leaders of Iran probably feel like leaders of Iran probably feel like leaders of Iran probably feel like they're in a better position to crack they're in a better position to crack they're in a better position to crack down and survive versus what might have down and survive versus what might have down and survive versus what might have happened in the past. I mean, Trump's happened in the past. I mean, Trump's happened in the past. I mean, Trump's been quite vocal in what he might do in been quite vocal in what he might do in been quite vocal in what he might do in his threats. He said that the US would his threats. He said that the US would his threats. He said that the US would come to the protesters rescue, that we come to the protesters rescue, that we come to the protesters rescue, that we are locked, loaded, and ready to go. He are locked, loaded, and ready to go. He are locked, loaded, and ready to go. He announced that countries doing business announced that countries doing business announced that countries doing business with Iran, faced a 25% tariff on their with Iran, faced a 25% tariff on their with Iran, faced a 25% tariff on their trade with the US, ramping up pressure. trade with the US, ramping up pressure. trade with the US, ramping up pressure. >> And he called for Iranians to keep >> And he called for Iranians to keep >> And he called for Iranians to keep protesting. protesting. protesting. Um, and then more recently, he said, Um, and then more recently, he said, Um, and then more recently, he said, "I've canceled all meetings with Iranian "I've canceled all meetings with Iranian "I've canceled all meetings with Iranian officials until the senseless killing of officials until the senseless killing of officials until the senseless killing of protest stops. Help is on the way. Mag protest stops. Help is on the way. Mag protest stops. Help is on the way. Mag mega, mega, mega, >> make Iran great." Well, Iran, you know, >> make Iran great." Well, Iran, you know, >> make Iran great." Well, Iran, you know, I mean, one thing that should be said is I mean, one thing that should be said is I mean, one thing that should be said is the Persian Empire and the Persian the Persian Empire and the Persian the Persian Empire and the Persian people are a great people with a very people are a great people with a very people are a great people with a very rich history. And what's interesting is rich history. And what's interesting is rich history. And what's interesting is in attempting to over I don't know if in attempting to over I don't know if in attempting to over I don't know if you've ever seen pictures from Tehran you've ever seen pictures from Tehran you've ever seen pictures from Tehran from before 1979, it's like women from before 1979, it's like women from before 1979, it's like women walking around in miniskirts and and all walking around in miniskirts and and all walking around in miniskirts and and all the rest of it. So, they have a very the rest of it. So, they have a very the rest of it. So, they have a very long history of freedom in a way that we long history of freedom in a way that we long history of freedom in a way that we don't tend to think of the Middle East don't tend to think of the Middle East don't tend to think of the Middle East as having today. uh and that's that's as having today. uh and that's that's as having today. uh and that's that's that's an example of how it's perhaps that's an example of how it's perhaps that's an example of how it's perhaps different from other parts of the Middle different from other parts of the Middle different from other parts of the Middle East. But you can see the the reluctance East. But you can see the the reluctance East. But you can see the the reluctance to actually do anything about it because to actually do anything about it because to actually do anything about it because the question is well let's say you do the question is well let's say you do the question is well let's say you do remove the current leadership. Let's say remove the current leadership. Let's say remove the current leadership. Let's say you bring back the son of the former you bring back the son of the former you bring back the son of the former Shah Resa he oversees a transition to Shah Resa he oversees a transition to Shah Resa he oversees a transition to some kind of democratic thing. Who is some kind of democratic thing. Who is some kind of democratic thing. Who is there protecting that process from being there protecting that process from being there protecting that process from being disrupted by the remnants of the old disrupted by the remnants of the old disrupted by the remnants of the old regime? Who's going to do that? Is there regime? Who's going to do that? Is there regime? Who's going to do that? Is there American boots on the ground? Cuz American boots on the ground? Cuz American boots on the ground? Cuz there's literally zero appetite for that there's literally zero appetite for that there's literally zero appetite for that in America. That's the challenge that I in America. That's the challenge that I in America. That's the challenge that I think he faces, which is probably why he think he faces, which is probably why he think he faces, which is probably why he hasn't done anything. hasn't done anything. hasn't done anything. >> And how do you think the story plays >> And how do you think the story plays >> And how do you think the story plays out? out? out? >> No idea, mate. No idea. I I I have no >> No idea, mate. No idea. I I I have no >> No idea, mate. No idea. I I I have no idea what what's going to happen here. I idea what what's going to happen here. I idea what what's going to happen here. I fear unfortunately that what the regime fear unfortunately that what the regime fear unfortunately that what the regime will do I'm not saying this is what will will do I'm not saying this is what will will do I'm not saying this is what will happen but my fear is and it's one of happen but my fear is and it's one of happen but my fear is and it's one of the reasons that I am the reasons that I am the reasons that I am I sympathize so deeply with the Iranian I sympathize so deeply with the Iranian I sympathize so deeply with the Iranian people that are rising up against the people that are rising up against the people that are rising up against the oppression but I am wary of encouraging oppression but I am wary of encouraging oppression but I am wary of encouraging encouraging them unless we are willing encouraging them unless we are willing encouraging them unless we are willing to back them fully. This is exactly in to back them fully. This is exactly in to back them fully. This is exactly in in a way that what happened with in a way that what happened with in a way that what happened with Ukraine. There was a lot of rah rah Ukraine. There was a lot of rah rah Ukraine. There was a lot of rah rah rahrh and there was not nearly enough rahrh and there was not nearly enough rahrh and there was not nearly enough support to actually help them defend support to actually help them defend support to actually help them defend their country. My fear is there will be their country. My fear is there will be their country. My fear is there will be a lot of rah. We support the Ukrainian a lot of rah. We support the Ukrainian a lot of rah. We support the Ukrainian people. We stand with them blah blah, people. We stand with them blah blah, people. We stand with them blah blah, you know, blah blah blah. But ultimately you know, blah blah blah. But ultimately you know, blah blah blah. But ultimately the regime will kill more of them and it the regime will kill more of them and it the regime will kill more of them and it will kill enough of them for this to go will kill enough of them for this to go will kill enough of them for this to go away. That's my worry. away. That's my worry. away. That's my worry. >> Well, I hope the world does come to the >> Well, I hope the world does come to the >> Well, I hope the world does come to the support of the Iranians. I really do. support of the Iranians. I really do. support of the Iranians. I really do. >> Me too. because for all the reasons >> Me too. because for all the reasons >> Me too. because for all the reasons you've said, beautiful country, you've said, beautiful country, you've said, beautiful country, beautiful people, and um it's it's beautiful people, and um it's it's beautiful people, and um it's it's horrific to see what's going on. There's horrific to see what's going on. There's horrific to see what's going on. There's varying estimates. It's unfortunately we varying estimates. It's unfortunately we varying estimates. It's unfortunately we we don't have accurate numbers because I we don't have accurate numbers because I we don't have accurate numbers because I mean the internet is down and it's mean the internet is down and it's mean the internet is down and it's always hard to get accurate numbers in always hard to get accurate numbers in always hard to get accurate numbers in the situation, but I've heard estimates the situation, but I've heard estimates the situation, but I've heard estimates ranging from 2,000 to 18,000 people ranging from 2,000 to 18,000 people ranging from 2,000 to 18,000 people being killed. And uh it's inconceivable being killed. And uh it's inconceivable being killed. And uh it's inconceivable I think for Westerners like us to I think for Westerners like us to I think for Westerners like us to understand what it is to live in an understand what it is to live in an understand what it is to live in an environment like that. environment like that. environment like that. >> Which is why they're protesting as >> Which is why they're protesting as >> Which is why they're protesting as courageously as they are. I just hope courageously as they are. I just hope courageously as they are. I just hope that the geopolitical realities allow us that the geopolitical realities allow us that the geopolitical realities allow us to support them in the way that we keep to support them in the way that we keep to support them in the way that we keep saying we would. Do you see what I'm saying we would. Do you see what I'm saying we would. Do you see what I'm saying? saying? saying? >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. And this is Yeah. >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. And this is Yeah. >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. And this is Yeah. >> And this is my big worry. We have we >> And this is my big worry. We have we >> And this is my big worry. We have we have done a lot of this. We stand with have done a lot of this. We stand with have done a lot of this. We stand with you. We support you. And then when push you. We support you. And then when push you. We support you. And then when push comes to shove, comes to shove, comes to shove, the realities of the thing come into the realities of the thing come into the realities of the thing come into play and suddenly we're a lot more play and suddenly we're a lot more play and suddenly we're a lot more careful about it. careful about it. careful about it. >> Trump seems to walk the walk more so >> Trump seems to walk the walk more so >> Trump seems to walk the walk more so than others. than others. than others. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> And he seems to It's funny because I >> And he seems to It's funny because I >> And he seems to It's funny because I think it was Biden that said to China think it was Biden that said to China think it was Biden that said to China that if they took back Taiwan, he would that if they took back Taiwan, he would that if they took back Taiwan, he would get involved. get involved. get involved. >> Trump didn't say that. >> Trump didn't say that. >> Trump didn't say that. >> He's kind of I was looking at some >> He's kind of I was looking at some >> He's kind of I was looking at some quotes from Trump and it seems like he's quotes from Trump and it seems like he's quotes from Trump and it seems like he's basically like, well, if they take basically like, well, if they take basically like, well, if they take Taiwan back, I ain't going to get Taiwan back, I ain't going to get Taiwan back, I ain't going to get involved. But in other instances where involved. But in other instances where involved. But in other instances where he warns countries that he'll bomb them he warns countries that he'll bomb them he warns countries that he'll bomb them or take action. Yeah. or take action. Yeah. or take action. Yeah. >> Like Venezuela or like Iran with the the >> Like Venezuela or like Iran with the the >> Like Venezuela or like Iran with the the nuclear weapon situation, he does seem nuclear weapon situation, he does seem nuclear weapon situation, he does seem to follow through. to follow through. to follow through. >> And I Marco Rubio and Hegathth were >> And I Marco Rubio and Hegathth were >> And I Marco Rubio and Hegathth were saying the other day in the interview I saying the other day in the interview I saying the other day in the interview I was watching that listen when when is was watching that listen when when is was watching that listen when when is the world going to learn? If Trump says the world going to learn? If Trump says the world going to learn? If Trump says something, he's going to do it. And you something, he's going to do it. And you something, he's going to do it. And you know him saying that we will come to know him saying that we will come to know him saying that we will come to your rescue. your rescue. your rescue. >> Well, hopefully they come through on >> Well, hopefully they come through on >> Well, hopefully they come through on that, but also hopefully they have a that, but also hopefully they have a that, but also hopefully they have a plan for what happens after that. plan for what happens after that. plan for what happens after that. >> Yeah. And this is the mistake we've >> Yeah. And this is the mistake we've >> Yeah. And this is the mistake we've obviously made in a number of countries, obviously made in a number of countries, obviously made in a number of countries, Libya, Iraq, Libya, Iraq, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Afghanistan, Afghanistan, Syria, which is now basically headed by Syria, which is now basically headed by Syria, which is now basically headed by a jihadi. a jihadi. a jihadi. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. Where we go, oh yeah, we've got >> Right. Where we go, oh yeah, we've got >> Right. Where we go, oh yeah, we've got to remove this terrible guy and yeah, to remove this terrible guy and yeah, to remove this terrible guy and yeah, he's terrible guy and we're right to he's terrible guy and we're right to he's terrible guy and we're right to remove him. But then what do you end up remove him. But then what do you end up remove him. But then what do you end up with afterwards? So if they do help the with afterwards? So if they do help the with afterwards? So if they do help the Iranian people, which I hope they have, Iranian people, which I hope they have, Iranian people, which I hope they have, they have the plans to do, then I hope they have the plans to do, then I hope they have the plans to do, then I hope they have a plan for what happens after they have a plan for what happens after they have a plan for what happens after that and how you get Iran to a position that and how you get Iran to a position that and how you get Iran to a position where the people of Iran get to choose where the people of Iran get to choose where the people of Iran get to choose their own leaders and those leaders stay their own leaders and those leaders stay their own leaders and those leaders stay in power and those leaders are the sorts in power and those leaders are the sorts in power and those leaders are the sorts of people that you might want to see in of people that you might want to see in of people that you might want to see in charge because you know this happened in charge because you know this happened in charge because you know this happened in Egypt. They they they have the Arab Egypt. They they they have the Arab Egypt. They they they have the Arab Spring. They overthrow the evil dictator Spring. They overthrow the evil dictator Spring. They overthrow the evil dictator and what do they do? they elect the and what do they do? they elect the and what do they do? they elect the Muslim Brotherhood and then the people Muslim Brotherhood and then the people Muslim Brotherhood and then the people go no no no no we need the military back go no no no no we need the military back go no no no no we need the military back etc. So these are not easy problems to etc. So these are not easy problems to etc. So these are not easy problems to solve which is why people are being solve which is why people are being solve which is why people are being careful about it. So I hope they have a careful about it. So I hope they have a careful about it. So I hope they have a a plan and a solution for what comes a plan and a solution for what comes a plan and a solution for what comes after if they in fact act after if they in fact act after if they in fact act >> and Trump's also talking about taking >> and Trump's also talking about taking >> and Trump's also talking about taking Greenland Greenland Greenland >> which is the first time I heard him say >> which is the first time I heard him say >> which is the first time I heard him say that I thought he was joking. I thought that I thought he was joking. I thought that I thought he was joking. I thought this is just a funny Trump, you know, this is just a funny Trump, you know, this is just a funny Trump, you know, when he was talking about taking Canada. when he was talking about taking Canada. when he was talking about taking Canada. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it was he was calling it the great state >> it was he was calling it the great state >> it was he was calling it the great state of Canada. I thought this was him just of Canada. I thought this was him just of Canada. I thought this was him just joking. But in more recent times, in the joking. But in more recent times, in the joking. But in more recent times, in the last week, I heard him say in an last week, I heard him say in an last week, I heard him say in an interview, "We're going to do it the interview, "We're going to do it the interview, "We're going to do it the easy way or the hard way." Words to that easy way or the hard way." Words to that easy way or the hard way." Words to that effect. effect. effect. >> What's going on? >> What's going on? >> What's going on? >> Well, we talked about they're trying to >> Well, we talked about they're trying to >> Well, we talked about they're trying to protect their sphere of influence in protect their sphere of influence in protect their sphere of influence in North America and South America, and North America and South America, and North America and South America, and they they want they want they want to they they want they want they want to they they want they want they want to have the military bases there that they have the military bases there that they have the military bases there that they want to have there. They want to have want to have there. They want to have want to have there. They want to have the resources and access to that. the resources and access to that. the resources and access to that. >> Are we returning to empires? >> Are we returning to empires? >> Are we returning to empires? >> We never left empire. This is the This >> We never left empire. This is the This >> We never left empire. This is the This is the great thing that we we've been is the great thing that we we've been is the great thing that we we've been living in the dream world. We've been living in the dream world. We've been living in the dream world. We've been pretending these things haven't been pretending these things haven't been pretending these things haven't been going on the entire time. They have. The going on the entire time. They have. The going on the entire time. They have. The world's always been like this. world's always been like this. world's always been like this. There was a brief moment after World War There was a brief moment after World War There was a brief moment after World War II when it wasn't like this because we II when it wasn't like this because we II when it wasn't like this because we were fighting the Soviet Union. And the were fighting the Soviet Union. And the were fighting the Soviet Union. And the Soviet Union, the battle in the Cold War Soviet Union, the battle in the Cold War Soviet Union, the battle in the Cold War was very similar. There was proxy wars was very similar. There was proxy wars was very similar. There was proxy wars all over the place between those two all over the place between those two all over the place between those two great powers. Right now there's two great powers. Right now there's two great powers. Right now there's two different great powers and a third different great powers and a third different great powers and a third smaller power in Russia and India is smaller power in Russia and India is smaller power in Russia and India is rising as well who are all trying to rising as well who are all trying to rising as well who are all trying to make their moves and all Trump is doing make their moves and all Trump is doing make their moves and all Trump is doing is saying well we are not going to play is saying well we are not going to play is saying well we are not going to play by the fake rules anymore that no one by the fake rules anymore that no one by the fake rules anymore that no one else is playing by anyway. else is playing by anyway. else is playing by anyway. >> And so is Trump endeavoring to take that >> And so is Trump endeavoring to take that >> And so is Trump endeavoring to take that part of the world take control of that? part of the world take control of that? part of the world take control of that? >> Take control. Yeah. In many ways, it's >> Take control. Yeah. In many ways, it's >> Take control. Yeah. In many ways, it's what every great power seeks to do is to what every great power seeks to do is to what every great power seeks to do is to control its neighbors so that they don't control its neighbors so that they don't control its neighbors so that they don't have foreign influence in their backyard have foreign influence in their backyard have foreign influence in their backyard so that they have the strategic so that they have the strategic so that they have the strategic advantage in that area. Um, it's the way advantage in that area. Um, it's the way advantage in that area. Um, it's the way of the world. of the world. of the world. >> I mean, I didn't hear this rhetoric for >> I mean, I didn't hear this rhetoric for >> I mean, I didn't hear this rhetoric for the other 30 years of my life. the other 30 years of my life. the other 30 years of my life. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> As explicitly. >> As explicitly. >> As explicitly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And when you say multipolar, >> And when you say multipolar, >> And when you say multipolar, what are the polls? what are the polls? what are the polls? >> Well, it's the US and China. >> Well, it's the US and China. >> Well, it's the US and China. >> Yeah. are the two Russia wants to claim >> Yeah. are the two Russia wants to claim >> Yeah. are the two Russia wants to claim it's a third one and then you will see it's a third one and then you will see it's a third one and then you will see the rise of India I think over time as the rise of India I think over time as the rise of India I think over time as well India is a lot more sensible about well India is a lot more sensible about well India is a lot more sensible about these things about the way that they're these things about the way that they're these things about the way that they're developing developing developing >> and is is the multipolar world a good >> and is is the multipolar world a good >> and is is the multipolar world a good thing or a bad thing or is it just thing or a bad thing or is it just thing or a bad thing or is it just indifferent indifferent indifferent >> for whom >> for whom >> for whom >> for let's do people living in Europe >> for let's do people living in Europe >> for let's do people living in Europe >> I think it's likely to be a very bad >> I think it's likely to be a very bad >> I think it's likely to be a very bad thing for people living in Europe thing for people living in Europe thing for people living in Europe because we become less powerful less because we become less powerful less because we become less powerful less wealthy less relevant wealthy less relevant wealthy less relevant uh for the reasons we've already uh for the reasons we've already uh for the reasons we've already discussed. We could change it if we discussed. We could change it if we discussed. We could change it if we wanted to. wanted to. wanted to. >> How >> How >> How >> we could uh abandon our suicidal >> we could uh abandon our suicidal >> we could uh abandon our suicidal economic policy. So we could have economic policy. So we could have economic policy. So we could have economic growth again which would economic growth again which would economic growth again which would increase our share of GDP. We would make increase our share of GDP. We would make increase our share of GDP. We would make our people more prosperous. It would our people more prosperous. It would our people more prosperous. It would help to quell domestic unease. help to quell domestic unease. help to quell domestic unease. >> Part of which has been created by mass >> Part of which has been created by mass >> Part of which has been created by mass immigration. People care about that more immigration. People care about that more immigration. People care about that more because they're poorer. Right? If we because they're poorer. Right? If we because they're poorer. Right? If we were growing, then everybody's a little were growing, then everybody's a little were growing, then everybody's a little bit happier. It's like you move to LA, bit happier. It's like you move to LA, bit happier. It's like you move to LA, the sunshine is nice, everybody's a the sunshine is nice, everybody's a the sunshine is nice, everybody's a little bit happier. When you're getting little bit happier. When you're getting little bit happier. When you're getting richer, everybody's a little bit richer, everybody's a little bit richer, everybody's a little bit happier. So, that's one of them. The happier. So, that's one of them. The happier. So, that's one of them. The second one is you've got to recognize second one is you've got to recognize second one is you've got to recognize that the huge waves of immigration we that the huge waves of immigration we that the huge waves of immigration we have had uh have brought some positives. have had uh have brought some positives. have had uh have brought some positives. They've also brought a tremendous amount They've also brought a tremendous amount They've also brought a tremendous amount of cultural instability. People feel of cultural instability. People feel of cultural instability. People feel like their country is changing. They like their country is changing. They like their country is changing. They never voted for it. In fact, they never voted for it. In fact, they never voted for it. In fact, they repeatedly voted against it. So you have repeatedly voted against it. So you have repeatedly voted against it. So you have to arrest the sense that our country is to arrest the sense that our country is to arrest the sense that our country is ceasing to be one place and instead ceasing to be one place and instead ceasing to be one place and instead we're becoming different communities, we're becoming different communities, we're becoming different communities, right? The this community, the that right? The this community, the that right? The this community, the that community. Instead, we've got to go to a community. Instead, we've got to go to a community. Instead, we've got to go to a place where we're all British or we're place where we're all British or we're place where we're all British or we're all American or we're all French or all American or we're all French or all American or we're all French or whatever it is, we've got to integrate whatever it is, we've got to integrate whatever it is, we've got to integrate fully the people have already arrived. fully the people have already arrived. fully the people have already arrived. And to do that, you have to make sure And to do that, you have to make sure And to do that, you have to make sure you don't continue to have the same you don't continue to have the same you don't continue to have the same scale of inflows that we've had. You scale of inflows that we've had. You scale of inflows that we've had. You have to deal with illegal immigration. have to deal with illegal immigration. have to deal with illegal immigration. You have to stop that from happening You have to stop that from happening You have to stop that from happening because that that really affects how because that that really affects how because that that really affects how people feel about sense of fairness and people feel about sense of fairness and people feel about sense of fairness and a commitment and loyalty to their a commitment and loyalty to their a commitment and loyalty to their country. One of the reasons if you talk country. One of the reasons if you talk country. One of the reasons if you talk to young people they they'll say they're to young people they they'll say they're to young people they they'll say they're disillusioned, they won't fight for disillusioned, they won't fight for disillusioned, they won't fight for their country, etc. is they feel like their country, etc. is they feel like their country, etc. is they feel like well their country doesn't care about well their country doesn't care about well their country doesn't care about them. It's bringing in people that it's them. It's bringing in people that it's them. It's bringing in people that it's paying to have a house and and so all paying to have a house and and so all paying to have a house and and so all the rest of it while they can't get on the rest of it while they can't get on the rest of it while they can't get on the property letter. So you've got to the property letter. So you've got to the property letter. So you've got to deal with immigration as a whole deal with immigration as a whole deal with immigration as a whole package. Then you have to rebuild your package. Then you have to rebuild your package. Then you have to rebuild your military. You have to rebuild your military. You have to rebuild your military. You have to rebuild your military capacity. military capacity. military capacity. And then you have to understand the new And then you have to understand the new And then you have to understand the new world in which we live and really pick a world in which we live and really pick a world in which we live and really pick a team and say which alliances are we team and say which alliances are we team and say which alliances are we going to nurture. In my opinion the best going to nurture. In my opinion the best going to nurture. In my opinion the best thing Britain could do is to nurture the thing Britain could do is to nurture the thing Britain could do is to nurture the alliance with the United States to make alliance with the United States to make alliance with the United States to make itself relevant within that alliance for itself relevant within that alliance for itself relevant within that alliance for in the ways that I've already talked in the ways that I've already talked in the ways that I've already talked about and then join forces with the US about and then join forces with the US about and then join forces with the US and recognize that we have very similar and recognize that we have very similar and recognize that we have very similar interests in a lot of things and if we interests in a lot of things and if we interests in a lot of things and if we were prepared to act like it then we'd were prepared to act like it then we'd were prepared to act like it then we'd be in a much better place. be in a much better place. be in a much better place. And also you got to have more kids. And also you got to have more kids. And also you got to have more kids. A lot more kids. A lot more kids. A lot more kids. >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? >> Uh if you if you look at forget about >> Uh if you if you look at forget about >> Uh if you if you look at forget about the moral kind of sensibilities and the moral kind of sensibilities and the moral kind of sensibilities and politically correct stuff about it, the politically correct stuff about it, the politically correct stuff about it, the more people you have, the more powerful more people you have, the more powerful more people you have, the more powerful you are comparative all other things you are comparative all other things you are comparative all other things being equal, right? A country with more being equal, right? A country with more being equal, right? A country with more people is more powerful than a country people is more powerful than a country people is more powerful than a country with fewer people. Just if everything with fewer people. Just if everything with fewer people. Just if everything else is the same. But more importantly, else is the same. But more importantly, else is the same. But more importantly, our dem we're in a demographic death our dem we're in a demographic death our dem we're in a demographic death spiral. And this is one of the reasons spiral. And this is one of the reasons spiral. And this is one of the reasons we have had mass immigration. we have had mass immigration. we have had mass immigration. Politicians won't tell you the honest Politicians won't tell you the honest Politicians won't tell you the honest truth of it. But the real reason is they truth of it. But the real reason is they truth of it. But the real reason is they keep bringing in hundreds of thousands keep bringing in hundreds of thousands keep bringing in hundreds of thousands of people is if they don't, we will see of people is if they don't, we will see of people is if they don't, we will see the reality which is that we're getting the reality which is that we're getting the reality which is that we're getting poorer all the time. But if they bring poorer all the time. But if they bring poorer all the time. But if they bring in a mass of people from outside, they in a mass of people from outside, they in a mass of people from outside, they can say that the economy is growing not can say that the economy is growing not can say that the economy is growing not because it's growing on a per capita because it's growing on a per capita because it's growing on a per capita basis, but because you've simply added basis, but because you've simply added basis, but because you've simply added more people to the population. And if if more people to the population. And if if more people to the population. And if if if this is seems abstract, think about if this is seems abstract, think about if this is seems abstract, think about it like this. Let's say you have it like this. Let's say you have it like this. Let's say you have uh you have a family, you, your uh you have a family, you, your uh you have a family, you, your girlfriend, and you've got two kids, girlfriend, and you've got two kids, girlfriend, and you've got two kids, right? And your total household income right? And your total household income right? And your total household income is £100,000 a year, let's say, for the is £100,000 a year, let's say, for the is £100,000 a year, let's say, for the four of you. Now, let's say you bring in four of you. Now, let's say you bring in four of you. Now, let's say you bring in your in-laws. They live in the same your in-laws. They live in the same your in-laws. They live in the same house, right? They don't earn anything. house, right? They don't earn anything. house, right? They don't earn anything. Let's say they own 10 grand a year each. Let's say they own 10 grand a year each. Let's say they own 10 grand a year each. So now your household income is So now your household income is So now your household income is £120,000. So you've got richer, haven't £120,000. So you've got richer, haven't £120,000. So you've got richer, haven't you? you? you? >> No, you've now got six people to spread >> No, you've now got six people to spread >> No, you've now got six people to spread that money over and now you're per that money over and now you're per that money over and now you're per person a lot poorer. That's what British person a lot poorer. That's what British person a lot poorer. That's what British and European leaders have done so that and European leaders have done so that and European leaders have done so that they could pretend that we're not they could pretend that we're not they could pretend that we're not getting poorer all the time. That's why getting poorer all the time. That's why getting poorer all the time. That's why they've done it. Uh this is what they they've done it. Uh this is what they they've done it. Uh this is what they say. We need people to come and do the say. We need people to come and do the say. We need people to come and do the jobs. That that's what they mean. They jobs. That that's what they mean. They jobs. That that's what they mean. They mean we need to bring in more people so mean we need to bring in more people so mean we need to bring in more people so we can tell you the economy has grown by we can tell you the economy has grown by we can tell you the economy has grown by 0.3%. 0.3%. 0.3%. While you've been getting poorer. So While you've been getting poorer. So While you've been getting poorer. So you've got to address the economic side you've got to address the economic side you've got to address the economic side of this as well of the demographic of this as well of the demographic of this as well of the demographic thing. And the third thing actually is thing. And the third thing actually is thing. And the third thing actually is societies with lots of kids kids are societies with lots of kids kids are societies with lots of kids kids are just much more dynamic than societies just much more dynamic than societies just much more dynamic than societies without them. You know, you get very without them. You know, you get very without them. You know, you get very stale when you've got too many older stale when you've got too many older stale when you've got too many older people. You need that young energy, that people. You need that young energy, that people. You need that young energy, that young blood. You need young people. You young blood. You need young people. You young blood. You need young people. You need children around. Uh and then they need children around. Uh and then they need children around. Uh and then they will of course be the next generation to will of course be the next generation to will of course be the next generation to drive things forward. So you we've got drive things forward. So you we've got drive things forward. So you we've got to have loads more loads more kids. to have loads more loads more kids. to have loads more loads more kids. >> New year always has a strange energy to >> New year always has a strange energy to >> New year always has a strange energy to it because people start talking about it because people start talking about it because people start talking about their goals, fresh starts, and new their goals, fresh starts, and new their goals, fresh starts, and new habits. 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And now you can find Ketone IQ at Target stores can find Ketone IQ at Target stores can find Ketone IQ at Target stores across the United States where your across the United States where your across the United States where your first shot is completely free of charge. first shot is completely free of charge. first shot is completely free of charge. And what do you think of Kier Starmmer And what do you think of Kier Starmmer And what do you think of Kier Starmmer and the way he's leading the UK? and the way he's leading the UK? and the way he's leading the UK? >> It's very tempting always. We come back >> It's very tempting always. We come back >> It's very tempting always. We come back to the Biden Trump left right thing to to the Biden Trump left right thing to to the Biden Trump left right thing to put the blame on one specific person. I put the blame on one specific person. I put the blame on one specific person. I don't think he's doing a good job for don't think he's doing a good job for don't think he's doing a good job for the reasons that I told you. We we've the reasons that I told you. We we've the reasons that I told you. We we've got the highest tax burden in peace time got the highest tax burden in peace time got the highest tax burden in peace time history. So, he's driving business history. So, he's driving business history. So, he's driving business through the floor. I know that you will through the floor. I know that you will through the floor. I know that you will we you and I have never spoken about we you and I have never spoken about we you and I have never spoken about this, but I bet you could name 50 people this, but I bet you could name 50 people this, but I bet you could name 50 people off the top of your head who've left the off the top of your head who've left the off the top of your head who've left the UK to go to other places, who run UK to go to other places, who run UK to go to other places, who run businesses. You're nodding, right, for businesses. You're nodding, right, for businesses. You're nodding, right, for people listening. But why is that people listening. But why is that people listening. But why is that happening? because the business climate happening? because the business climate happening? because the business climate here is not good. here is not good. here is not good. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> The taxes here are very high and also >> The taxes here are very high and also >> The taxes here are very high and also the quality of life here is declined. the quality of life here is declined. the quality of life here is declined. >> And generally, you know, I think maybe >> And generally, you know, I think maybe >> And generally, you know, I think maybe the first point you said about climate, the first point you said about climate, the first point you said about climate, there's a pessimism. there's a pessimism. there's a pessimism. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Why is that? Why is that? >> Why is that? Why is that? >> Why is that? Why is that? >> It's self-fulfilling. >> It's self-fulfilling. >> It's self-fulfilling. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> It's like a self-fulfilling pessimism >> It's like a self-fulfilling pessimism >> It's like a self-fulfilling pessimism where founders who are in my portfolio where founders who are in my portfolio where founders who are in my portfolio that I've invested in will come to me that I've invested in will come to me that I've invested in will come to me and say, "Hi, you know, we've just sold and say, "Hi, you know, we've just sold and say, "Hi, you know, we've just sold uh 10% of the business for 20 million." uh 10% of the business for 20 million." uh 10% of the business for 20 million." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And then the next sentence will be their >> And then the next sentence will be their >> And then the next sentence will be their escape plan. escape plan. escape plan. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And that didn't used to happen even 10 >> And that didn't used to happen even 10 >> And that didn't used to happen even 10 years ago. years ago. years ago. >> And that's because of government policy. >> And that's because of government policy. >> And that's because of government policy. That's the only way that this happens. That's the only way that this happens. That's the only way that this happens. Right? Because if the government a keeps Right? Because if the government a keeps Right? Because if the government a keeps taxing you up to your eyeballs and b taxing you up to your eyeballs and b taxing you up to your eyeballs and b keeps telling you that you are evil, keeps telling you that you are evil, keeps telling you that you are evil, which is what it does, right? If you're which is what it does, right? If you're which is what it does, right? If you're rich in Britain, you are evil. That's rich in Britain, you are evil. That's rich in Britain, you are evil. That's the that's the algorithm we have. And we the that's the algorithm we have. And we the that's the algorithm we have. And we treat successful people. We immediately treat successful people. We immediately treat successful people. We immediately assume that they're privileged people. assume that they're privileged people. assume that they're privileged people. Well, my pet theory is that this goes Well, my pet theory is that this goes Well, my pet theory is that this goes back to the land of gentry. The idea back to the land of gentry. The idea back to the land of gentry. The idea that in this country if you were rich, that in this country if you were rich, that in this country if you were rich, there was a time when that was almost there was a time when that was almost there was a time when that was almost certainly because your dad was rich or certainly because your dad was rich or certainly because your dad was rich or at least people thought that. And so at least people thought that. And so at least people thought that. And so this sense that if someone is successful this sense that if someone is successful this sense that if someone is successful economically, financially, it's probably economically, financially, it's probably economically, financially, it's probably because they've benefited from some sort because they've benefited from some sort because they've benefited from some sort of illotten privilege. It permeates of illotten privilege. It permeates of illotten privilege. It permeates everything. In America, people don't everything. In America, people don't everything. In America, people don't feel that way. They go, "You've been feel that way. They go, "You've been feel that way. They go, "You've been successful because you've worked really successful because you've worked really successful because you've worked really hard and you've had a great idea. I'd hard and you've had a great idea. I'd hard and you've had a great idea. I'd love to learn from you. I'd love to be love to learn from you. I'd love to be love to learn from you. I'd love to be more like you." In Britain, we go, more like you." In Britain, we go, more like you." In Britain, we go, "You've been successful. You know, we "You've been successful. You know, we "You've been successful. You know, we got to tax you." So, if the government got to tax you." So, if the government got to tax you." So, if the government keeps taxing you and then telling you keeps taxing you and then telling you keeps taxing you and then telling you you're a bad person while you pay the you're a bad person while you pay the you're a bad person while you pay the overwhelming share of the taxes in the overwhelming share of the taxes in the overwhelming share of the taxes in the country, it's not a great place to be. country, it's not a great place to be. country, it's not a great place to be. You know, if I come home tonight and my You know, if I come home tonight and my You know, if I come home tonight and my wife says, "Yeah, you earn all the wife says, "Yeah, you earn all the wife says, "Yeah, you earn all the money, but you're a dick and I don't money, but you're a dick and I don't money, but you're a dick and I don't like you." And like you." And like you." And after a while, you sort of go, well, if after a while, you sort of go, well, if after a while, you sort of go, well, if this isn't working, I'll go somewhere this isn't working, I'll go somewhere this isn't working, I'll go somewhere where I'm wanted. Do you know what I where I'm wanted. Do you know what I where I'm wanted. Do you know what I mean? And I think that's what's mean? And I think that's what's mean? And I think that's what's happening to a lot of the most driven, happening to a lot of the most driven, happening to a lot of the most driven, the most talented, the most successful, the most talented, the most successful, the most talented, the most successful, the most creative people. And so, we're the most creative people. And so, we're the most creative people. And so, we're driving out the business, we're driving driving out the business, we're driving driving out the business, we're driving out the entrepreneurs. Then on the out the entrepreneurs. Then on the out the entrepreneurs. Then on the industrial side of it, we talked about industrial side of it, we talked about industrial side of it, we talked about it before, net zero basically means that it before, net zero basically means that it before, net zero basically means that any energyintensive business is any energyintensive business is any energyintensive business is completely unviable in Britain. And I'm completely unviable in Britain. And I'm completely unviable in Britain. And I'm sure you've seen this with AI and lots sure you've seen this with AI and lots sure you've seen this with AI and lots of other things. you go to where you can of other things. you go to where you can of other things. you go to where you can do your business. Then on top of that do your business. Then on top of that do your business. Then on top of that you add regulation particularly in in you add regulation particularly in in you add regulation particularly in in Europe which restricts your ability to Europe which restricts your ability to Europe which restricts your ability to do things again. So there's this um you do things again. So there's this um you do things again. So there's this um you and it didn't didn't have to be like and it didn't didn't have to be like and it didn't didn't have to be like that. It wasn't like that in the '9s in that. It wasn't like that in the '9s in that. It wasn't like that in the '9s in this country, right? There was a this country, right? There was a this country, right? There was a positive go-getter business climate and positive go-getter business climate and positive go-getter business climate and you can do that again. You just have to you can do that again. You just have to you can do that again. You just have to have a leader who is willing to do that. have a leader who is willing to do that. have a leader who is willing to do that. And SAM is the opposite of that. And And SAM is the opposite of that. And And SAM is the opposite of that. And part of the reason is that they simply part of the reason is that they simply part of the reason is that they simply can't do anything about the fact that we can't do anything about the fact that we can't do anything about the fact that we are spending huge amounts of money uh are spending huge amounts of money uh are spending huge amounts of money uh keeping lots and lots of people trapped keeping lots and lots of people trapped keeping lots and lots of people trapped in welfare against in many ways against in welfare against in many ways against in welfare against in many ways against their interest and actually in some ways their interest and actually in some ways their interest and actually in some ways I would argue even against their will I would argue even against their will I would argue even against their will because and I've made this point before because and I've made this point before because and I've made this point before if you said to you're a very driven if you said to you're a very driven if you said to you're a very driven person. I'm a very driven person, but person. I'm a very driven person, but person. I'm a very driven person, but when I was in my early 20s, if you'd when I was in my early 20s, if you'd when I was in my early 20s, if you'd said to me, "You don't need to work." said to me, "You don't need to work." said to me, "You don't need to work." You know, I know you're feeling a bit You know, I know you're feeling a bit You know, I know you're feeling a bit depressed, as I was in my early 20s. I depressed, as I was in my early 20s. I depressed, as I was in my early 20s. I wasn't sure what I was doing with life. wasn't sure what I was doing with life. wasn't sure what I was doing with life. You're a bit depressed. You're a bit You're a bit depressed. You're a bit You're a bit depressed. You're a bit anxious. I remember going to apply for a anxious. I remember going to apply for a anxious. I remember going to apply for a job and just sweating buckets cuz I was job and just sweating buckets cuz I was job and just sweating buckets cuz I was so anxious. Right. Well, you've got so anxious. Right. Well, you've got so anxious. Right. Well, you've got anxiety, you've got depression, you anxiety, you've got depression, you anxiety, you've got depression, you can't work. We'll give you 20 grand a can't work. We'll give you 20 grand a can't work. We'll give you 20 grand a year and you can just, you know, we'll year and you can just, you know, we'll year and you can just, you know, we'll write you off and you just sit home, write you off and you just sit home, write you off and you just sit home, play on the PlayStation, smoke weed. I play on the PlayStation, smoke weed. I play on the PlayStation, smoke weed. I would have taken that. Most people would would have taken that. Most people would would have taken that. Most people would have taken that. And that's the position have taken that. And that's the position have taken that. And that's the position we have put a lot of our young people we have put a lot of our young people we have put a lot of our young people in. Uh we just ride them off. We give in. Uh we just ride them off. We give in. Uh we just ride them off. We give them benefits and we forget about them. them benefits and we forget about them. them benefits and we forget about them. And that welfare bill has become a And that welfare bill has become a And that welfare bill has become a unsustainable, but it's also uncutable. unsustainable, but it's also uncutable. unsustainable, but it's also uncutable. They try the Labor government tried to They try the Labor government tried to They try the Labor government tried to cut it. They tried to reform welfare and cut it. They tried to reform welfare and cut it. They tried to reform welfare and their own backbenches revolted and they their own backbenches revolted and they their own backbenches revolted and they caved and they said, "No, no, no. We're caved and they said, "No, no, no. We're caved and they said, "No, no, no. We're not going to reform welfare. We're going not going to reform welfare. We're going not going to reform welfare. We're going to tax the rich because the rich, you to tax the rich because the rich, you to tax the rich because the rich, you know, don't pay enough tax." when in the know, don't pay enough tax." when in the know, don't pay enough tax." when in the reality I think the top you maybe look reality I think the top you maybe look reality I think the top you maybe look this up 10 the top 10% of taxpayers in this up 10 the top 10% of taxpayers in this up 10 the top 10% of taxpayers in this country pay this country pay this country pay I think more than half of all the tax I think more than half of all the tax I think more than half of all the tax probably significantly more than half of probably significantly more than half of probably significantly more than half of all the tax but look it up I think the all the tax but look it up I think the all the tax but look it up I think the top 1% pay 33% of all the tax fact check top 1% pay 33% of all the tax fact check top 1% pay 33% of all the tax fact check me on this me on this me on this >> okay so the top 10% of taxpayers >> okay so the top 10% of taxpayers >> okay so the top 10% of taxpayers pay 60% of all income tax pay 60% of all income tax pay 60% of all income tax >> yeah and also um what's the other one >> yeah and also um what's the other one >> yeah and also um what's the other one the capital gains as well. If you look the capital gains as well. If you look the capital gains as well. If you look up capital gains, it's basically the up capital gains, it's basically the up capital gains, it's basically the same. So if you put those two together, same. So if you put those two together, same. So if you put those two together, which is basically what we pay on which is basically what we pay on which is basically what we pay on earning, the top 10% pay 60% of it. So earning, the top 10% pay 60% of it. So earning, the top 10% pay 60% of it. So what happens when you chase out those what happens when you chase out those what happens when you chase out those people, which is what we're doing. What people, which is what we're doing. What people, which is what we're doing. What happens to your tax base? You get less happens to your tax base? You get less happens to your tax base? You get less and less tax. That means you have to tax and less tax. That means you have to tax and less tax. That means you have to tax the people who haven't left yet more and the people who haven't left yet more and the people who haven't left yet more and more in order to pay people who are not more in order to pay people who are not more in order to pay people who are not who are net consumers of tax revenues. who are net consumers of tax revenues. who are net consumers of tax revenues. According to HM revenue and customs data According to HM revenue and customs data According to HM revenue and customs data in the UK, the top 1% pay 30% of all in the UK, the top 1% pay 30% of all in the UK, the top 1% pay 30% of all income. income. income. >> I said 33. So 30. Yeah. >> I said 33. So 30. Yeah. >> I said 33. So 30. Yeah. >> Yeah. So what happens when you say that >> Yeah. So what happens when you say that >> Yeah. So what happens when you say that 1% are evil and they must pay more? 1% 1% are evil and they must pay more? 1% 1% are evil and they must pay more? 1% pay 30% of all the tax. pay 30% of all the tax. pay 30% of all the tax. >> It's funny. I'm quite a torn person on >> It's funny. I'm quite a torn person on >> It's funny. I'm quite a torn person on this subject because I I represent kind this subject because I I represent kind this subject because I I represent kind of two sides of this argument. The first of two sides of this argument. The first of two sides of this argument. The first side of the argument, I just have this side of the argument, I just have this side of the argument, I just have this sort of visceral memory of being sat at sort of visceral memory of being sat at sort of visceral memory of being sat at my desk in Mosside with these like baiff my desk in Mosside with these like baiff my desk in Mosside with these like baiff letters on my right, this smashed up letters on my right, this smashed up letters on my right, this smashed up laptop on my left, knowing that I had no laptop on my left, knowing that I had no laptop on my left, knowing that I had no way of eating that day and thinking, way of eating that day and thinking, way of eating that day and thinking, "Oh, I you know what I need to do? "Oh, I you know what I need to do? "Oh, I you know what I need to do? There's this thing called jobsekers There's this thing called jobsekers There's this thing called jobsekers allowance." allowance." allowance." >> And I was like messing with the do I >> And I was like messing with the do I >> And I was like messing with the do I join it cuz like right now I'm like join it cuz like right now I'm like join it cuz like right now I'm like scavenging for pound coins to see if I scavenging for pound coins to see if I scavenging for pound coins to see if I can buy some Chinese from Young Dar can buy some Chinese from Young Dar can buy some Chinese from Young Dar Takeaway. And I printed off the forms Takeaway. And I printed off the forms Takeaway. And I printed off the forms and the forms were there in front of me and the forms were there in front of me and the forms were there in front of me on the desk to apply for jobsekers on the desk to apply for jobsekers on the desk to apply for jobsekers allowance when I was maybe 18 years old, allowance when I was maybe 18 years old, allowance when I was maybe 18 years old, roughly that age, 18, 19 years old. And roughly that age, 18, 19 years old. And roughly that age, 18, 19 years old. And because I got so close, I have the huge because I got so close, I have the huge because I got so close, I have the huge amount of empathy for people that amount of empathy for people that amount of empathy for people that >> get to that point. And then on the other >> get to that point. And then on the other >> get to that point. And then on the other side, because I'm now in a different side, because I'm now in a different side, because I'm now in a different world world world >> and I I'm around entrepreneurs so much >> and I I'm around entrepreneurs so much >> and I I'm around entrepreneurs so much who are who are who are >> so so frequently telling me their escape >> so so frequently telling me their escape >> so so frequently telling me their escape plan from the UK that I feel the need to plan from the UK that I feel the need to plan from the UK that I feel the need to let the average the the normal person let the average the the normal person let the average the the normal person that's listening to this podcast that that's listening to this podcast that that's listening to this podcast that maybe doesn't have the access to maybe doesn't have the access to maybe doesn't have the access to entrepreneurs or the inside entrepreneurs or the inside entrepreneurs or the inside conversations that that I have with conversations that that I have with conversations that that I have with entrepreneurs know that when people come entrepreneurs know that when people come entrepreneurs know that when people come on the show and tell you that rich on the show and tell you that rich on the show and tell you that rich people will leave, it is my experience people will leave, it is my experience people will leave, it is my experience that rich people leave and like because that rich people leave and like because that rich people leave and like because there there is an argument ongoing there there is an argument ongoing there there is an argument ongoing argument no they won't leave and there argument no they won't leave and there argument no they won't leave and there people point out different things no people point out different things no people point out different things no they they leave they leave I mean we they they leave they leave I mean we they they leave they leave I mean we just saw Revolute which is one of the just saw Revolute which is one of the just saw Revolute which is one of the the most successful companies emerge the most successful companies emerge the most successful companies emerge from the UK in recent times it's from the UK in recent times it's from the UK in recent times it's probably going to be worth a hundred probably going to be worth a hundred probably going to be worth a hundred billion the founder left billion the founder left billion the founder left >> I think it's Dubai or somewhere it's >> I think it's Dubai or somewhere it's >> I think it's Dubai or somewhere it's gone to gone to gone to >> and people say well Britain can't >> and people say well Britain can't >> and people say well Britain can't compete with a zero tax environment we compete with a zero tax environment we compete with a zero tax environment we don't need to compete with a zero tax don't need to compete with a zero tax don't need to compete with a zero tax environment people want to live in environment people want to live in environment people want to live in Britain still you just have to stop Britain still you just have to stop Britain still you just have to stop clobbering over them over the head and clobbering over them over the head and clobbering over them over the head and calling them evil. calling them evil. calling them evil. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Now, look, you know, I can give you a >> Now, look, you know, I can give you a >> Now, look, you know, I can give you a sob story as well. Like when I was at sob story as well. Like when I was at sob story as well. Like when I was at university, I had no I had to stop university, I had no I had to stop university, I had no I had to stop university cuz I couldn't pay for it. I university cuz I couldn't pay for it. I university cuz I couldn't pay for it. I slept on the street in a park. Blah blah slept on the street in a park. Blah blah slept on the street in a park. Blah blah blah blah blah. Empathy for days for blah blah blah. Empathy for days for blah blah blah. Empathy for days for people who are in that position. And people who are in that position. And people who are in that position. And there are lots of people, by the way, there are lots of people, by the way, there are lots of people, by the way, and this is important to say, Stephen, and this is important to say, Stephen, and this is important to say, Stephen, who are not in your position. They're who are not in your position. They're who are not in your position. They're not super talented. They're not not super talented. They're not not super talented. They're not predisposed to success. They're not as predisposed to success. They're not as predisposed to success. They're not as hardworking and motivated as you for hardworking and motivated as you for hardworking and motivated as you for whatever reason. And many people are whatever reason. And many people are whatever reason. And many people are disabled. Many people have all sorts of disabled. Many people have all sorts of disabled. Many people have all sorts of other issues. And of course, we've got other issues. And of course, we've got other issues. And of course, we've got to help them. But what we have done is to help them. But what we have done is to help them. But what we have done is trapped now hundreds of thousands, if trapped now hundreds of thousands, if trapped now hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who could be not millions of people who could be not millions of people who could be working and have meaning and purpose in working and have meaning and purpose in working and have meaning and purpose in their life on welfare and we're not their life on welfare and we're not their life on welfare and we're not helping them get off it because it's helping them get off it because it's helping them get off it because it's much easier to give them a payout and much easier to give them a payout and much easier to give them a payout and forget about them. That's what's forget about them. That's what's forget about them. That's what's happening. And so, you know, I've had happening. And so, you know, I've had happening. And so, you know, I've had these views since before I was in any these views since before I was in any these views since before I was in any way successful. I just looked at what way successful. I just looked at what way successful. I just looked at what works. And when we talk about rich works. And when we talk about rich works. And when we talk about rich people leaving, the thing is I don't people leaving, the thing is I don't people leaving, the thing is I don't care about rich people leaving. People care about rich people leaving. People care about rich people leaving. People who have a lot of money leaving is not who have a lot of money leaving is not who have a lot of money leaving is not really an issue for me. What's an issue really an issue for me. What's an issue really an issue for me. What's an issue for me is people who are going to create for me is people who are going to create for me is people who are going to create wealth leaving. So on that point, the wealth leaving. So on that point, the wealth leaving. So on that point, the founder of Revolute leaving the UK, Nick founder of Revolute leaving the UK, Nick founder of Revolute leaving the UK, Nick Strinsky, I think his name is, um, Strinsky, I think his name is, um, Strinsky, I think his name is, um, estimates say, credible reports say that estimates say, credible reports say that estimates say, credible reports say that because he's leaving, there's going to because he's leaving, there's going to because he's leaving, there's going to be a3 billion pound potential loss of be a3 billion pound potential loss of be a3 billion pound potential loss of capital gains tax that he would have capital gains tax that he would have capital gains tax that he would have paid had he not absconded to the UAE. paid had he not absconded to the UAE. paid had he not absconded to the UAE. Now to put this into more stark terms Now to put this into more stark terms Now to put this into more stark terms what that means. I then um did some what that means. I then um did some what that means. I then um did some research and I was looking at how many research and I was looking at how many research and I was looking at how many people it would take to pay that 3 people it would take to pay that 3 people it would take to pay that 3 billion. How many average taxpayers it billion. How many average taxpayers it billion. How many average taxpayers it would take to pay that 3 billion that we would take to pay that 3 billion that we would take to pay that 3 billion that we that we lose by him leaving. that we lose by him leaving. that we lose by him leaving. >> And it says roughly £450,000 >> And it says roughly £450,000 >> And it says roughly £450,000 average UK taxpayers because the average average UK taxpayers because the average average UK taxpayers because the average UK taxpayer pays about £7,000 to £7,500 UK taxpayer pays about £7,000 to £7,500 UK taxpayer pays about £7,000 to £7,500 a year. So very simple math 3 billion a year. So very simple math 3 billion a year. So very simple math 3 billion divided by 7,000 equals 430,000 people. divided by 7,000 equals 430,000 people. divided by 7,000 equals 430,000 people. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> So in plain English, that billionaire's >> So in plain English, that billionaire's >> So in plain English, that billionaire's potential tax bill is equal to the potential tax bill is equal to the potential tax bill is equal to the entire income tax of a midsized UK city entire income tax of a midsized UK city entire income tax of a midsized UK city for one year because that person decided for one year because that person decided for one year because that person decided to leave. to leave. to leave. >> Congratulations, you tax the rich. >> Congratulations, you tax the rich. >> Congratulations, you tax the rich. Congratulations. Now half a million Congratulations. Now half a million Congratulations. Now half a million people have to pay more tax. people have to pay more tax. people have to pay more tax. Well done. Well done. Well done. That's what we're doing. And because That's what we're doing. And because That's what we're doing. And because it's become a moral argument because the it's become a moral argument because the it's become a moral argument because the rich are evil rich are evil rich are evil in our mentality, in our mentality, in our mentality, people don't hear this point at all. It people don't hear this point at all. It people don't hear this point at all. It just totally goes over their head. They just totally goes over their head. They just totally goes over their head. They go, you know, but but the rich are evil, go, you know, but but the rich are evil, go, you know, but but the rich are evil, they must pay more tax. And you go, even they must pay more tax. And you go, even they must pay more tax. And you go, even if I agreed with you, it still doesn't if I agreed with you, it still doesn't if I agreed with you, it still doesn't work in practice. work in practice. work in practice. So if something is not working in So if something is not working in So if something is not working in practice, why would you keep doing it? practice, why would you keep doing it? practice, why would you keep doing it? I think as well, you know, one of your I think as well, you know, one of your I think as well, you know, one of your other points was around what the UK has other points was around what the UK has other points was around what the UK has to offer them. And I think if the UK was to offer them. And I think if the UK was to offer them. And I think if the UK was really growth focused and you know, the really growth focused and you know, the really growth focused and you know, the energy point you made, energy was energy point you made, energy was energy point you made, energy was cheaper here, then cheaper here, then cheaper here, then >> that equation that these founders are >> that equation that these founders are >> that equation that these founders are making whether to stay or to leave would making whether to stay or to leave would making whether to stay or to leave would tilt a little bit further in our tilt a little bit further in our tilt a little bit further in our direction. So, it's super it's so direction. So, it's super it's so direction. So, it's super it's so difficult. difficult. difficult. >> And no, no disrespect to Dubai, but most >> And no, no disrespect to Dubai, but most >> And no, no disrespect to Dubai, but most people don't want to have to live in people don't want to have to live in people don't want to have to live in Dubai. Dubai. Dubai. I think the UK is a lovely honestly I I think the UK is a lovely honestly I I think the UK is a lovely honestly I mean mean mean >> that's what I mean right and I say this >> that's what I mean right and I say this >> that's what I mean right and I say this with there's lots of great appealing with there's lots of great appealing with there's lots of great appealing things about Dubai but if you dealt with things about Dubai but if you dealt with things about Dubai but if you dealt with prime in the UK and you had a growth prime in the UK and you had a growth prime in the UK and you had a growth focused mindset you had a tax climate focused mindset you had a tax climate focused mindset you had a tax climate that encouraged people to start that encouraged people to start that encouraged people to start businesses and employ people we wouldn't businesses and employ people we wouldn't businesses and employ people we wouldn't be losing these people and we shouldn't be losing these people and we shouldn't be losing these people and we shouldn't be losing these people they are they are be losing these people they are they are be losing these people they are they are the people who will create the wealth of the people who will create the wealth of the people who will create the wealth of the future and they should be doing it the future and they should be doing it the future and they should be doing it here they should be founding and keeping here they should be founding and keeping here they should be founding and keeping their businesses here and if you did their businesses here and if you did their businesses here and if you did that then you start to turn the whole that then you start to turn the whole that then you start to turn the whole thing we've been talking about around thing we've been talking about around thing we've been talking about around because ultimately everything is about because ultimately everything is about because ultimately everything is about economics in in this sense the military economics in in this sense the military economics in in this sense the military is about economics. is about economics. is about economics. It's about do you have the resources to It's about do you have the resources to It's about do you have the resources to have a strong military? We don't. So we have a strong military? We don't. So we have a strong military? We don't. So we don't. don't. don't. >> So which leader do we need? >> So which leader do we need? >> So which leader do we need? >> Again, I don't like getting into the >> Again, I don't like getting into the >> Again, I don't like getting into the personality side of things. But what you personality side of things. But what you personality side of things. But what you need is someone who understands how the need is someone who understands how the need is someone who understands how the economy works. economy works. economy works. >> Why don't you like getting into the >> Why don't you like getting into the >> Why don't you like getting into the personality side of things? personality side of things? personality side of things? >> Because what happens when if I give you >> Because what happens when if I give you >> Because what happens when if I give you a name? a name? a name? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Then immediately people say, "Oh, he's >> Then immediately people say, "Oh, he's >> Then immediately people say, "Oh, he's one of them." one of them." one of them." >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Right. I am not one of them of any them. >> Right. I am not one of them of any them. >> Right. I am not one of them of any them. I'm just telling you what the policies I'm just telling you what the policies I'm just telling you what the policies are that I think would work for our are that I think would work for our are that I think would work for our country. If Kia Starama tomorrow came on country. If Kia Starama tomorrow came on country. If Kia Starama tomorrow came on your show and said, "Stephen, I'm here your show and said, "Stephen, I'm here your show and said, "Stephen, I'm here to announce a great British to announce a great British to announce a great British transformation. We're going to cut transformation. We're going to cut transformation. We're going to cut business taxes. We're going to get rid business taxes. We're going to get rid business taxes. We're going to get rid of net zero. We're going to make sure of net zero. We're going to make sure of net zero. We're going to make sure that we have the cheapest energy in the that we have the cheapest energy in the that we have the cheapest energy in the world for our businesses to grow and world for our businesses to grow and world for our businesses to grow and thrive. We're going to have a strong, thrive. We're going to have a strong, thrive. We're going to have a strong, capable military. And by the way, I've capable military. And by the way, I've capable military. And by the way, I've just hired 50,000 new police officers to just hired 50,000 new police officers to just hired 50,000 new police officers to deal with all the ridiculous amounts of deal with all the ridiculous amounts of deal with all the ridiculous amounts of street crime we've got in London. Sign street crime we've got in London. Sign street crime we've got in London. Sign me up. I'm all K star ride or die, me up. I'm all K star ride or die, me up. I'm all K star ride or die, right? But that's probably not going to right? But that's probably not going to right? But that's probably not going to happen. That's probably not going to happen. That's probably not going to happen. That's probably not going to happen with any of the other leaders happen with any of the other leaders happen with any of the other leaders that we have. So, I'm here telling you that we have. So, I'm here telling you that we have. So, I'm here telling you what I think the right policies are. And what I think the right policies are. And what I think the right policies are. And if there's a leader who advocates for if there's a leader who advocates for if there's a leader who advocates for those policies, that's the sort of those policies, that's the sort of those policies, that's the sort of leader that I will support. leader that I will support. leader that I will support. >> Only 18% of Britons view Karma >> Only 18% of Britons view Karma >> Only 18% of Britons view Karma positively. positively. positively. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> With around 65 to 72% holding an >> With around 65 to 72% holding an >> With around 65 to 72% holding an unfavorable opinion. unfavorable opinion. unfavorable opinion. >> You're desperate for me to slag off >> You're desperate for me to slag off >> You're desperate for me to slag off Karma. I'm happy to do it. Karma. I'm happy to do it. Karma. I'm happy to do it. >> No, no. I'm I'm actually not. I'm >> No, no. I'm I'm actually not. I'm >> No, no. I'm I'm actually not. I'm actually not. Do you know what? Do you actually not. Do you know what? Do you actually not. Do you know what? Do you know what my opinion? Kiss Dharma? know what my opinion? Kiss Dharma? know what my opinion? Kiss Dharma? Probably a really nice person. Probably a really nice person. Probably a really nice person. >> Probably >> Probably >> Probably >> probably a really nice person. >> probably a really nice person. >> probably a really nice person. >> Yeah. I don't really care how nice he >> Yeah. I don't really care how nice he >> Yeah. I don't really care how nice he is. And that's my attitude to all is. And that's my attitude to all is. And that's my attitude to all politicians. I care about whether politicians. I care about whether politicians. I care about whether they're going to do things that are good they're going to do things that are good they're going to do things that are good for our country. Uh from what I know, for our country. Uh from what I know, for our country. Uh from what I know, he's probably he strikes me as a very uh he's probably he strikes me as a very uh he's probably he strikes me as a very uh well-intentioned, probably fairly well-intentioned, probably fairly well-intentioned, probably fairly competent person. competent person. competent person. >> Uh but what he's doing is completely >> Uh but what he's doing is completely >> Uh but what he's doing is completely wrong. The only reason I don't like to wrong. The only reason I don't like to wrong. The only reason I don't like to go in on him is I think he I I think go in on him is I think he I I think go in on him is I think he I I think he's useless. I do. I also don't think he's useless. I do. I also don't think he's useless. I do. I also don't think it's fair to lay the blame for it's fair to lay the blame for it's fair to lay the blame for everything that's happening at his feet. everything that's happening at his feet. everything that's happening at his feet. The Conservatives were useless before The Conservatives were useless before The Conservatives were useless before that. The Lib Dems and the Conservatives that. The Lib Dems and the Conservatives that. The Lib Dems and the Conservatives were useless before that. The Labour were useless before that. The Labour were useless before that. The Labour Party under Blair were actually not Party under Blair were actually not Party under Blair were actually not useless. They were really really good at useless. They were really really good at useless. They were really really good at ter doing terrible things to the ter doing terrible things to the ter doing terrible things to the country. They were very competent at country. They were very competent at country. They were very competent at doing that. So what we have had for now doing that. So what we have had for now doing that. So what we have had for now one, two, three decades is terrible one, two, three decades is terrible one, two, three decades is terrible leadership that's taken us in completely leadership that's taken us in completely leadership that's taken us in completely the wrong direction. the wrong direction. the wrong direction. >> I I'm I'm I have to cite the statistics >> I I'm I'm I have to cite the statistics >> I I'm I'm I have to cite the statistics around his favorability or popularity around his favorability or popularity around his favorability or popularity because it puts everything you're saying because it puts everything you're saying because it puts everything you're saying in context, which is these ideas aren't in context, which is these ideas aren't in context, which is these ideas aren't popular. popular. popular. >> No. Polling has shown that Stalmer's >> No. Polling has shown that Stalmer's >> No. Polling has shown that Stalmer's approval among the British public is the approval among the British public is the approval among the British public is the weakest of any recent UK prime minister weakest of any recent UK prime minister weakest of any recent UK prime minister with dissatisfaction levels on some with dissatisfaction levels on some with dissatisfaction levels on some trackers showing him to be below most trackers showing him to be below most trackers showing him to be below most predecessors um in even in the Labor predecessors um in even in the Labor predecessors um in even in the Labor government. So that's the the weird part government. So that's the the weird part government. So that's the the weird part because it's not it's doesn't seem to be because it's not it's doesn't seem to be because it's not it's doesn't seem to be working to drive favorability either. working to drive favorability either. working to drive favorability either. >> No, but but this is why I'm saying >> No, but but this is why I'm saying >> No, but but this is why I'm saying focusing on him individually isn't focusing on him individually isn't focusing on him individually isn't helpful actually. And this is not to helpful actually. And this is not to helpful actually. And this is not to argue with you unnecessarily. If you put argue with you unnecessarily. If you put argue with you unnecessarily. If you put Chem Bono in his place, she'd have the Chem Bono in his place, she'd have the Chem Bono in his place, she'd have the same favorability ratings. same favorability ratings. same favorability ratings. >> Really? Even though she has different >> Really? Even though she has different >> Really? Even though she has different ideas. ideas. ideas. >> Does she? >> Does she? >> Does she? >> I don't know. You tell me. >> I don't know. You tell me. >> I don't know. You tell me. >> She has some different ideas. I mean, >> She has some different ideas. I mean, >> She has some different ideas. I mean, the Conservative Party's gone a long way the Conservative Party's gone a long way the Conservative Party's gone a long way to changing their policy on things like to changing their policy on things like to changing their policy on things like net zero, right? But while they were in net zero, right? But while they were in net zero, right? But while they were in power, they were doing all the same power, they were doing all the same power, they were doing all the same stuff. They were arresting people for stuff. They were arresting people for stuff. They were arresting people for tweets. They were driving the economy tweets. They were driving the economy tweets. They were driving the economy into the ground with this green lunacy. into the ground with this green lunacy. into the ground with this green lunacy. They were the ones that oversaw the They were the ones that oversaw the They were the ones that oversaw the decline of our military. So uh in in in decline of our military. So uh in in in decline of our military. So uh in in in some ways the personality conversation some ways the personality conversation some ways the personality conversation is really not that important here. is really not that important here. is really not that important here. What's important is a gigantic paradigm What's important is a gigantic paradigm What's important is a gigantic paradigm shift needs to happen to our attitude to shift needs to happen to our attitude to shift needs to happen to our attitude to everything. And one of them is dealing everything. And one of them is dealing everything. And one of them is dealing with unaffordable welfare. The tries with unaffordable welfare. The tries with unaffordable welfare. The tries didn't do that. Labor aren't doing it. I didn't do that. Labor aren't doing it. I didn't do that. Labor aren't doing it. I actually thought Labor had a better shot actually thought Labor had a better shot actually thought Labor had a better shot because at least people wouldn't say because at least people wouldn't say because at least people wouldn't say labor are evil and they hate poor labor are evil and they hate poor labor are evil and they hate poor people. That's what they say when the people. That's what they say when the people. That's what they say when the Tories tried to cut welfare. When Labor Tories tried to cut welfare. When Labor Tories tried to cut welfare. When Labor tried to cut welfare, I didn't think tried to cut welfare, I didn't think tried to cut welfare, I didn't think that would happen, but they just caved that would happen, but they just caved that would happen, but they just caved to their own backbench. Maybe they had to their own backbench. Maybe they had to their own backbench. Maybe they had to for political reasons. But you you to for political reasons. But you you to for political reasons. But you you you just have to the the shift that you just have to the the shift that you just have to the the shift that needs to happen in Britain is not needs to happen in Britain is not needs to happen in Britain is not political. It's cultural. We have to political. It's cultural. We have to political. It's cultural. We have to change the mindset that we have as a change the mindset that we have as a change the mindset that we have as a country around these things. country around these things. country around these things. >> Cultural transitions are very very very >> Cultural transitions are very very very >> Cultural transitions are very very very hard. And I say that from the hard. And I say that from the hard. And I say that from the perspective as a business owner. If you perspective as a business owner. If you perspective as a business owner. If you tried to get me to change when I had a tried to get me to change when I had a tried to get me to change when I had a lot of people, so say you I remember in lot of people, so say you I remember in lot of people, so say you I remember in my German office back in the day in my German office back in the day in my German office back in the day in social change German office, we had 150 social change German office, we had 150 social change German office, we had 150 people. Very very different culture to people. Very very different culture to people. Very very different culture to the UK. I thought naively as a 23 24 the UK. I thought naively as a 23 24 the UK. I thought naively as a 23 24 year old I could fly there year old I could fly there year old I could fly there >> and change the culture of the Berlin >> and change the culture of the Berlin >> and change the culture of the Berlin office. office. office. >> How dumb was I? >> How dumb was I? >> How dumb was I? >> This is not how we do things. >> This is not how we do things. >> This is not how we do things. >> I could not change I could not change >> I could not change I could not change >> I could not change I could not change the culture of the German the Berlin the culture of the German the Berlin the culture of the German the Berlin office. So I think about a country office. So I think about a country office. So I think about a country changing the culture of a country. changing the culture of a country. changing the culture of a country. >> Yeah. That's why I'm what I call an >> Yeah. That's why I'm what I call an >> Yeah. That's why I'm what I call an accelerationist. accelerationist. accelerationist. >> What does that mean? It means that I >> What does that mean? It means that I >> What does that mean? It means that I believe that the only thing the only way believe that the only thing the only way believe that the only thing the only way that these things will truly that these things will truly that these things will truly fundamentally get better is when they fundamentally get better is when they fundamentally get better is when they get really really bad first. get really really bad first. get really really bad first. >> So you think it's going to get really >> So you think it's going to get really >> So you think it's going to get really really really really >> the only way to change the culture is >> the only way to change the culture is >> the only way to change the culture is for people to understand what's actually for people to understand what's actually for people to understand what's actually happening uh so that they can't pretend happening uh so that they can't pretend happening uh so that they can't pretend the things that are happening are not the things that are happening are not the things that are happening are not happening. And that's what's happening happening. And that's what's happening happening. And that's what's happening at the moment. Most people don't yet at the moment. Most people don't yet at the moment. Most people don't yet quite know that they're poorer today quite know that they're poorer today quite know that they're poorer today than they were 20 years ago. Most people than they were 20 years ago. Most people than they were 20 years ago. Most people still think that we are saving the still think that we are saving the still think that we are saving the planet when we reduce Britain's carbon planet when we reduce Britain's carbon planet when we reduce Britain's carbon emissions from 2% to 1.9% of global emissions from 2% to 1.9% of global emissions from 2% to 1.9% of global carbon emissions. While in fact, we're carbon emissions. While in fact, we're carbon emissions. While in fact, we're not even doing that. We're taking our not even doing that. We're taking our not even doing that. We're taking our carbon emissions and we're sending them carbon emissions and we're sending them carbon emissions and we're sending them to India and China and then shipping to India and China and then shipping to India and China and then shipping back the stuff they make for us in a back the stuff they make for us in a back the stuff they make for us in a dirtier way on big tankers which dirtier way on big tankers which dirtier way on big tankers which actually consume more dirty fuel and actually consume more dirty fuel and actually consume more dirty fuel and we're actually ending up increasing our we're actually ending up increasing our we're actually ending up increasing our CO2 output, not reducing it. Most people CO2 output, not reducing it. Most people CO2 output, not reducing it. Most people don't know that. But when they feel it don't know that. But when they feel it don't know that. But when they feel it in their pocket, when they feel like the in their pocket, when they feel like the in their pocket, when they feel like the we're having a fiscal crisis, when they we're having a fiscal crisis, when they we're having a fiscal crisis, when they feel like they really can't afford their feel like they really can't afford their feel like they really can't afford their life anymore, that's when they're going life anymore, that's when they're going life anymore, that's when they're going to start to ask some of these questions. to start to ask some of these questions. to start to ask some of these questions. It's one of the reasons actually the It's one of the reasons actually the It's one of the reasons actually the narrative on net zero is shifting. Like narrative on net zero is shifting. Like narrative on net zero is shifting. Like almost nobody other than the government almost nobody other than the government almost nobody other than the government in this country still believes in the in this country still believes in the in this country still believes in the idea of net zero, right? Because it's idea of net zero, right? Because it's idea of net zero, right? Because it's moving quite quickly in that direction. moving quite quickly in that direction. moving quite quickly in that direction. Uh and on lots of other things, it will Uh and on lots of other things, it will Uh and on lots of other things, it will happen when things get much more happen when things get much more happen when things get much more difficult for ordinary people. Sadly, I difficult for ordinary people. Sadly, I difficult for ordinary people. Sadly, I don't want that to happen, but I think don't want that to happen, but I think don't want that to happen, but I think it's the only way things get better. it's the only way things get better. it's the only way things get better. >> But on the subject of global warming, >> But on the subject of global warming, >> But on the subject of global warming, it's scientific fact that the climate is it's scientific fact that the climate is it's scientific fact that the climate is changing. changing. changing. >> Changing unfavorably. >> Changing unfavorably. >> Changing unfavorably. >> Uh what do you mean by unfavorably? >> Uh what do you mean by unfavorably? >> Uh what do you mean by unfavorably? >> Well, if the you know, scientists talk >> Well, if the you know, scientists talk >> Well, if the you know, scientists talk about the poles melting and how that about the poles melting and how that about the poles melting and how that will have big impact on you know third will have big impact on you know third will have big impact on you know third world nations and world nations and world nations and >> um how that will be a net negative for >> um how that will be a net negative for >> um how that will be a net negative for the planet because then you'll see more the planet because then you'll see more the planet because then you'll see more migration, you'll see more sort of migration, you'll see more sort of migration, you'll see more sort of natural disasters and those kinds of natural disasters and those kinds of natural disasters and those kinds of things. Well, let's let's not argue things. Well, let's let's not argue things. Well, let's let's not argue about that because neither of us is a about that because neither of us is a about that because neither of us is a climate scientist, but let's accept that climate scientist, but let's accept that climate scientist, but let's accept that for the sake of argument. for the sake of argument. for the sake of argument. >> How is outsourcing our carbon emissions >> How is outsourcing our carbon emissions >> How is outsourcing our carbon emissions to other countries to other countries to other countries >> while destroying our economy? >> while destroying our economy? >> while destroying our economy? >> That's I mean >> That's I mean >> That's I mean >> making that better. >> making that better. >> making that better. >> It's not. >> It's not. >> It's not. >> It's not right. >> It's not right. >> It's not right. >> And that's all I'm saying. All I'm >> And that's all I'm saying. All I'm >> And that's all I'm saying. All I'm saying is we are pretending to be saving saying is we are pretending to be saving saying is we are pretending to be saving the planet when we are not saving the the planet when we are not saving the the planet when we are not saving the planet while also destroying our economy planet while also destroying our economy planet while also destroying our economy while also making sure that pensioners while also making sure that pensioners while also making sure that pensioners in this country die every winter cuz in this country die every winter cuz in this country die every winter cuz they can't afford to pay the heating they can't afford to pay the heating they can't afford to pay the heating bills that they need to pay to stay warm bills that they need to pay to stay warm bills that they need to pay to stay warm in in what is a first world country. in in what is a first world country. in in what is a first world country. That's what's happening and it's That's what's happening and it's That's what's happening and it's happening because of government policy. happening because of government policy. happening because of government policy. So we are not saving the planet by So we are not saving the planet by So we are not saving the planet by killing pensioners. I I'm not in favor killing pensioners. I I'm not in favor killing pensioners. I I'm not in favor of killing pensioners. of killing pensioners. of killing pensioners. >> Have you ever thought about going into >> Have you ever thought about going into >> Have you ever thought about going into politics? Are you eligible for politics? Are you eligible for politics? Are you eligible for >> eligible? Yes. Have I ever thought about >> eligible? Yes. Have I ever thought about >> eligible? Yes. Have I ever thought about it? No. I I people offer me to go into it? No. I I people offer me to go into it? No. I I people offer me to go into politics regularly, but it it's just politics regularly, but it it's just politics regularly, but it it's just it's not my game. it's not my game. it's not my game. >> Why? You know, you when you talked about >> Why? You know, you when you talked about >> Why? You know, you when you talked about your mission, Yeah. it seems very your mission, Yeah. it seems very your mission, Yeah. it seems very aligned with aligned with aligned with >> going into politics. >> going into politics. >> going into politics. >> I feel I have way more influence doing >> I feel I have way more influence doing >> I feel I have way more influence doing what I do now what I do now what I do now >> than being, I don't know, prime >> than being, I don't know, prime >> than being, I don't know, prime minister. Well, that's extremely minister. Well, that's extremely minister. Well, that's extremely unlikely than being the the MP for the unlikely than being the the MP for the unlikely than being the the MP for the whatever on C who who gets one chance to whatever on C who who gets one chance to whatever on C who who gets one chance to ask a question of prime minister. No, ask a question of prime minister. No, ask a question of prime minister. No, no, no, no, no. I get to speak to way no, no, no, no. I get to speak to way no, no, no, no. I get to speak to way more people and to persuade more people more people and to persuade more people more people and to persuade more people and to articulate ideas in a much more and to articulate ideas in a much more and to articulate ideas in a much more unfiltered sense. And I think that's unfiltered sense. And I think that's unfiltered sense. And I think that's really important in the modern climate. really important in the modern climate. really important in the modern climate. What happens when you become a What happens when you become a What happens when you become a politician is you start having to talk politician is you start having to talk politician is you start having to talk the party line and then you suddenly the party line and then you suddenly the party line and then you suddenly don't quite follow what you actually don't quite follow what you actually don't quite follow what you actually believe. Now you have to adjust and you believe. Now you have to adjust and you believe. Now you have to adjust and you have to say, well, you know, the party have to say, well, you know, the party have to say, well, you know, the party believes this. Well, I'm not interested believes this. Well, I'm not interested believes this. Well, I'm not interested in speaking for the party. I'm in speaking for the party. I'm in speaking for the party. I'm interested for describing things in interested for describing things in interested for describing things in reality as I see them. And then if there reality as I see them. And then if there reality as I see them. And then if there are politicians who want to take that are politicians who want to take that are politicians who want to take that on, that's their job, not mine. I just on, that's their job, not mine. I just on, that's their job, not mine. I just don't have the temperament for it don't have the temperament for it don't have the temperament for it either. I just I'm much more interested either. I just I'm much more interested either. I just I'm much more interested about in the truth than I am in getting about in the truth than I am in getting about in the truth than I am in getting along with people, coalition building, along with people, coalition building, along with people, coalition building, caring about potholes, you know, all of caring about potholes, you know, all of caring about potholes, you know, all of this other stuff. In this multipolar this other stuff. In this multipolar this other stuff. In this multipolar world, this is how we got to the world, this is how we got to the world, this is how we got to the subject. I asked you who would benefit subject. I asked you who would benefit subject. I asked you who would benefit and is it a good thing? Yeah. And then I and is it a good thing? Yeah. And then I and is it a good thing? Yeah. And then I asked you is is it a good thing for asked you is is it a good thing for asked you is is it a good thing for Europe? And you said no. Yeah. Europe? And you said no. Yeah. Europe? And you said no. Yeah. >> Who is it a good thing for? >> Who is it a good thing for? >> Who is it a good thing for? >> China >> China >> China >> because they get to do >> because they get to do >> because they get to do >> do what they want, whatever that is. >> do what they want, whatever that is. >> do what they want, whatever that is. They're much less restrained by the US. They're much less restrained by the US. They're much less restrained by the US. It's good for India for same reasons. Uh It's good for India for same reasons. Uh It's good for India for same reasons. Uh is it good for Russia? We'll find out. is it good for Russia? We'll find out. is it good for Russia? We'll find out. >> Possibly. >> Possibly. >> Possibly. >> Good for America. >> Good for America. >> Good for America. >> Yes and no. Oh, I think it's that that >> Yes and no. Oh, I think it's that that >> Yes and no. Oh, I think it's that that is more complicated. I think America is more complicated. I think America is more complicated. I think America will be able to get what it wants in will be able to get what it wants in will be able to get what it wants in that world, but it's probably going to that world, but it's probably going to that world, but it's probably going to find itself in a lot more confrontations find itself in a lot more confrontations find itself in a lot more confrontations internationally, and that will obviously internationally, and that will obviously internationally, and that will obviously be a drain on its resources and and its be a drain on its resources and and its be a drain on its resources and and its energy. energy. energy. >> If you've ever worked in a startup, you >> If you've ever worked in a startup, you >> If you've ever worked in a startup, you already know it's chaos. It's speed, and already know it's chaos. It's speed, and already know it's chaos. It's speed, and it is survival. 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Look, a friend of mine, very good friend of mine gave me mine, very good friend of mine gave me mine, very good friend of mine gave me uh the the history of the English-sp uh the the history of the English-sp uh the the history of the English-sp speakaking peoples by Winston Churchill speakaking peoples by Winston Churchill speakaking peoples by Winston Churchill and it talks about the history of this and it talks about the history of this and it talks about the history of this country of England in particular and country of England in particular and country of England in particular and basically you go from strong ruler and basically you go from strong ruler and basically you go from strong ruler and then he has no no heir. You have a then he has no no heir. You have a then he has no no heir. You have a period of weakness and what happens period of weakness and what happens period of weakness and what happens there's a big power struggle over the there's a big power struggle over the there's a big power struggle over the throne over over power. This is this is throne over over power. This is this is throne over over power. This is this is what's going to happen. you are going to what's going to happen. you are going to what's going to happen. you are going to see more instability, more violence, see more instability, more violence, see more instability, more violence, more attempts to fight for dominance in more attempts to fight for dominance in more attempts to fight for dominance in the world. It's going to be a much more the world. It's going to be a much more the world. It's going to be a much more unstable period of time. Unfortunately, unstable period of time. Unfortunately, unstable period of time. Unfortunately, it's one of the reasons I've been so it's one of the reasons I've been so it's one of the reasons I've been so passionate about trying to say let's not passionate about trying to say let's not passionate about trying to say let's not let's not allow this to happen. let's not allow this to happen. let's not allow this to happen. >> Instability. >> Instability. >> Instability. >> Yeah. in terms of war, in terms of >> Yeah. in terms of war, in terms of >> Yeah. in terms of war, in terms of >> in terms of war, in terms of conflict, >> in terms of war, in terms of conflict, >> in terms of war, in terms of conflict, in terms of people to trying to redraw in terms of people to trying to redraw in terms of people to trying to redraw maps, in terms of people trying to get maps, in terms of people trying to get maps, in terms of people trying to get access to resources that otherwise would access to resources that otherwise would access to resources that otherwise would have been considered unchallengeable, have been considered unchallengeable, have been considered unchallengeable, etc. Yeah, etc. Yeah, etc. Yeah, >> I was looking back through history and I >> I was looking back through history and I >> I was looking back through history and I was asking the question, has there been was asking the question, has there been was asking the question, has there been a multipolar world before? And there's a multipolar world before? And there's a multipolar world before? And there's these moments through history, fifth these moments through history, fifth these moments through history, fifth century BC with ancient Greece, um 19th century BC with ancient Greece, um 19th century BC with ancient Greece, um 19th centur 19th century Europe between the centur 19th century Europe between the centur 19th century Europe between the 1850s and 1914s, the wearing states of 1850s and 1914s, the wearing states of 1850s and 1914s, the wearing states of China in 475 BC. And then my next China in 475 BC. And then my next China in 475 BC. And then my next question was what happens next? question was what happens next? question was what happens next? >> And the short answer is more friction, >> And the short answer is more friction, >> And the short answer is more friction, less restraint, higher risk. less restraint, higher risk. less restraint, higher risk. Realistically, the first thing that Realistically, the first thing that Realistically, the first thing that happens is rules weaken, which I guess happens is rules weaken, which I guess happens is rules weaken, which I guess is kind of what we're seeing at the is kind of what we're seeing at the is kind of what we're seeing at the moment moment moment >> with this whole idea of international >> with this whole idea of international >> with this whole idea of international law. law. law. >> Regional wars begin, not one big war. >> Regional wars begin, not one big war. >> Regional wars begin, not one big war. Arms races accelerate. Some alliances Arms races accelerate. Some alliances Arms races accelerate. Some alliances harden, economic fragmentation, domestic harden, economic fragmentation, domestic harden, economic fragmentation, domestic pressure rises, so higher defense pressure rises, so higher defense pressure rises, so higher defense spending, higher taxes, etc., um, lower spending, higher taxes, etc., um, lower spending, higher taxes, etc., um, lower growth. growth. growth. And the three end games history keeps And the three end games history keeps And the three end games history keeps showing that we have managed chaos, showing that we have managed chaos, showing that we have managed chaos, major war, a reset, and then a new hedge major war, a reset, and then a new hedge major war, a reset, and then a new hedge hegeimon emerges. hegeimon emerges. hegeimon emerges. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> What the does that mean? >> What the does that mean? >> What the does that mean? >> Hegeimon is the one dominant power that >> Hegeimon is the one dominant power that >> Hegeimon is the one dominant power that that that sort of in the same way that that that sort of in the same way that that that sort of in the same way that the US had that moment between 91 and the US had that moment between 91 and the US had that moment between 91 and recently when it was the only undisputed recently when it was the only undisputed recently when it was the only undisputed power in the world. power in the world. power in the world. >> Do you agree with that pattern of >> Do you agree with that pattern of >> Do you agree with that pattern of events? Well, I was going to say you events? Well, I was going to say you events? Well, I was going to say you sort of make it look like I've got all sort of make it look like I've got all sort of make it look like I've got all my ideas from AI, but yeah. Yeah. But my ideas from AI, but yeah. Yeah. But my ideas from AI, but yeah. Yeah. But but but the see this is the thing is but but the see this is the thing is but but the see this is the thing is like before we started I said to you, like before we started I said to you, like before we started I said to you, Stephen, do me one favor. Don't present Stephen, do me one favor. Don't present Stephen, do me one favor. Don't present me as an expert cuz I'm just a guy me as an expert cuz I'm just a guy me as an expert cuz I'm just a guy thinking from first principles and thinking from first principles and thinking from first principles and explaining the basics as I understand explaining the basics as I understand explaining the basics as I understand them. All of this is common sense them. All of this is common sense them. All of this is common sense because ultimately it comes back to because ultimately it comes back to because ultimately it comes back to human nature, right? We are a tribal human nature, right? We are a tribal human nature, right? We are a tribal competitive species. That's what we are. competitive species. That's what we are. competitive species. That's what we are. So when there isn't a dominant force So when there isn't a dominant force So when there isn't a dominant force that everyone respects and accepts as that everyone respects and accepts as that everyone respects and accepts as the leader, what happens every single the leader, what happens every single the leader, what happens every single time when you have a power vacuum, you time when you have a power vacuum, you time when you have a power vacuum, you have a power struggle. That's what we have a power struggle. That's what we have a power struggle. That's what we are seeing and that's what you're going are seeing and that's what you're going are seeing and that's what you're going to see. It's human nature. It's not to see. It's human nature. It's not to see. It's human nature. It's not about knowing geopolitics and having about knowing geopolitics and having about knowing geopolitics and having studied international theory for 40 studied international theory for 40 studied international theory for 40 years. It's just basic human nature. years. It's just basic human nature. years. It's just basic human nature. When there when there is a dispute about When there when there is a dispute about When there when there is a dispute about who the leader is, that always creates who the leader is, that always creates who the leader is, that always creates the thing that AI just told you. the thing that AI just told you. the thing that AI just told you. >> Well, the next step in that is a power >> Well, the next step in that is a power >> Well, the next step in that is a power struggle. struggle. struggle. >> Yeah. But that's what you're seeing now. >> Yeah. But that's what you're seeing now. >> Yeah. But that's what you're seeing now. >> But in there's never been a nuclear, >> But in there's never been a nuclear, >> But in there's never been a nuclear, >> right? And nuclear weapons have been the >> right? And nuclear weapons have been the >> right? And nuclear weapons have been the great force for peace. We had the the great force for peace. We had the the great force for peace. We had the the great historian from the rest is great historian from the rest is great historian from the rest is history, Dominic Samrach, on the show history, Dominic Samrach, on the show history, Dominic Samrach, on the show and I asked him about this and he said, and I asked him about this and he said, and I asked him about this and he said, "Yeah, I mean nuclear weapons is why we "Yeah, I mean nuclear weapons is why we "Yeah, I mean nuclear weapons is why we haven't had a major war and it's maybe haven't had a major war and it's maybe haven't had a major war and it's maybe the one thing that will constrain our the one thing that will constrain our the one thing that will constrain our ability to have a major war." It's one ability to have a major war." It's one ability to have a major war." It's one possibility. possibility. possibility. It's also the great risk. It's also the great risk. It's also the great risk. >> Maybe this is where the cycle ends >> Maybe this is where the cycle ends >> Maybe this is where the cycle ends because of nuclear weapons is what because of nuclear weapons is what because of nuclear weapons is what you're saying. Maybe this is you're saying. Maybe this is you're saying. Maybe this is >> um yeah, I'm I'm I am hopeful on that >> um yeah, I'm I'm I am hopeful on that >> um yeah, I'm I'm I am hopeful on that front actually. I I am hopeful that front actually. I I am hopeful that front actually. I I am hopeful that human beings ultimately the instinct for human beings ultimately the instinct for human beings ultimately the instinct for self-preservation is so strong that we self-preservation is so strong that we self-preservation is so strong that we do not go there. I think that's that's do not go there. I think that's that's do not go there. I think that's that's by far and away the most likely by far and away the most likely by far and away the most likely scenario. But of course, it is something scenario. But of course, it is something scenario. But of course, it is something that humans have to reckon with and we that humans have to reckon with and we that humans have to reckon with and we have to be very very careful as things have to be very very careful as things have to be very very careful as things more and by the way nuclear weapons more and by the way nuclear weapons more and by the way nuclear weapons may not be the most powerful weapons may not be the most powerful weapons may not be the most powerful weapons that exist in the world 20 years from that exist in the world 20 years from that exist in the world 20 years from now. in such a world and I know you don't in such a world and I know you don't like it being about individuals but like it being about individuals but like it being about individuals but Trump is a certain type of leader Trump is a certain type of leader Trump is a certain type of leader >> you know quite unapologetic in what he >> you know quite unapologetic in what he >> you know quite unapologetic in what he says says says >> I think he's got even more unapologetic >> I think he's got even more unapologetic >> I think he's got even more unapologetic because he only has a couple of years because he only has a couple of years because he only has a couple of years left and he can't be reelected because left and he can't be reelected because left and he can't be reelected because of the laws are you concerned that if a of the laws are you concerned that if a of the laws are you concerned that if a different type of leader different type of leader different type of leader arrived into power in the US maybe arrived into power in the US maybe arrived into power in the US maybe someone who China and Russia thought was someone who China and Russia thought was someone who China and Russia thought was less likely to less likely to less likely to send the the the jets in at nighttime send the the the jets in at nighttime send the the the jets in at nighttime and bomb nuclear bunkers or snatch a and bomb nuclear bunkers or snatch a and bomb nuclear bunkers or snatch a president from their house. president from their house. president from their house. >> Would that be a risk for the West in >> Would that be a risk for the West in >> Would that be a risk for the West in your view? your view? your view? >> Massive. >> Massive. >> Massive. >> So do you think >> So do you think >> So do you think >> but that's how we got here. This is why >> but that's how we got here. This is why >> but that's how we got here. This is why that withdrawal from Afghanistan that withdrawal from Afghanistan that withdrawal from Afghanistan embarrassing as it was is exactly how embarrassing as it was is exactly how embarrassing as it was is exactly how you get everything else. It's just one you get everything else. It's just one you get everything else. It's just one symptom of people thinking we talked symptom of people thinking we talked symptom of people thinking we talked about October 7th, we talked about the about October 7th, we talked about the about October 7th, we talked about the invasion of Ukraine, right? That's what invasion of Ukraine, right? That's what invasion of Ukraine, right? That's what happens when they see weakness. This is happens when they see weakness. This is happens when they see weakness. This is what happens. I remember, you know, um what happens. I remember, you know, um what happens. I remember, you know, um it's kind of funny. It shows the it's kind of funny. It shows the it's kind of funny. It shows the cultural differences between the Russian cultural differences between the Russian cultural differences between the Russian mindset and the Western mindset because mindset and the Western mindset because mindset and the Western mindset because the Jungle Book that we had in the the Jungle Book that we had in the the Jungle Book that we had in the Soviet Union is very different to the Soviet Union is very different to the Soviet Union is very different to the one that you see that you guys had here. one that you see that you guys had here. one that you see that you guys had here. Did you see Jungle, you know, the Did you see Jungle, you know, the Did you see Jungle, you know, the original Jungle Book? original Jungle Book? original Jungle Book? >> The Disney one? >> The Disney one? >> The Disney one? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's all have the, you know, uh all have the, you know, uh all have the, you know, uh >> context you should probably say where >> context you should probably say where >> context you should probably say where you come from because you come from because you come from because >> I'm from from the Soviet Union. I was >> I'm from from the Soviet Union. I was >> I'm from from the Soviet Union. I was born there. Um and born there. Um and born there. Um and >> your your father, you've got mother and >> your your father, you've got mother and >> your your father, you've got mother and father that Ukrainian and Russian. father that Ukrainian and Russian. father that Ukrainian and Russian. >> Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Um, so the Soviet >> Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Um, so the Soviet >> Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Um, so the Soviet Jungle Book adaptation, very different. Jungle Book adaptation, very different. Jungle Book adaptation, very different. And there's this the one of the opening And there's this the one of the opening And there's this the one of the opening scenes is Akella, who is the lead wolf. scenes is Akella, who is the lead wolf. scenes is Akella, who is the lead wolf. He's the the wolf, the leader of the He's the the wolf, the leader of the He's the the wolf, the leader of the wolf pack. They're on a hunt and he wolf pack. They're on a hunt and he wolf pack. They're on a hunt and he they're hunting and he misses the he's they're hunting and he misses the he's they're hunting and he misses the he's supposed to grab the animal and he supposed to grab the animal and he supposed to grab the animal and he misses. And suddenly the cry goes around misses. And suddenly the cry goes around misses. And suddenly the cry goes around the jungle. I ke the jungle. I ke the jungle. I ke knows what that means. knows what that means. knows what that means. Everybody knows when the leader shows Everybody knows when the leader shows Everybody knows when the leader shows weakness and fails, that's the moment weakness and fails, that's the moment weakness and fails, that's the moment when everything goes to and there's when everything goes to and there's when everything goes to and there's a power struggle for his role because a power struggle for his role because a power struggle for his role because he's no longer top dog. he's no longer top dog. he's no longer top dog. It's really as simple as that. It's really as simple as that. It's really as simple as that. >> So, do you think Trump's a good thing >> So, do you think Trump's a good thing >> So, do you think Trump's a good thing for the West? for the West? for the West? >> Trump is a good thing for America. >> Trump is a good thing for America. >> Trump is a good thing for America. >> I think what he's done by virtue of his >> I think what he's done by virtue of his >> I think what he's done by virtue of his behavior is he's exposed the weakness of behavior is he's exposed the weakness of behavior is he's exposed the weakness of Europe. And there is a cleave now Europe. And there is a cleave now Europe. And there is a cleave now happening between Europe and America. happening between Europe and America. happening between Europe and America. And to that extent, I think it could be And to that extent, I think it could be And to that extent, I think it could be a good thing for Europe if Europe gets a good thing for Europe if Europe gets a good thing for Europe if Europe gets its act together and says, "Actually, its act together and says, "Actually, its act together and says, "Actually, we've got to wake up from the nightmare we've got to wake up from the nightmare we've got to wake up from the nightmare that we've created for ourselves and that we've created for ourselves and that we've created for ourselves and start acting differently." If that start acting differently." If that start acting differently." If that happens, it will also be a good thing happens, it will also be a good thing happens, it will also be a good thing for the West. That is not what's for the West. That is not what's for the West. That is not what's happening right now. It's going in the happening right now. It's going in the happening right now. It's going in the exact opposite direction. exact opposite direction. exact opposite direction. >> What would it take for you to leave the >> What would it take for you to leave the >> What would it take for you to leave the UK? Um Um you well look I like you know everybody you well look I like you know everybody you well look I like you know everybody gets job opportunities and stuff goes gets job opportunities and stuff goes gets job opportunities and stuff goes for a year or two somewhere that that for a year or two somewhere that that for a year or two somewhere that that that could happen in any circumstance. that could happen in any circumstance. that could happen in any circumstance. If you mean like for me to say I'm If you mean like for me to say I'm If you mean like for me to say I'm leaving Britain never coming back. Um I leaving Britain never coming back. Um I leaving Britain never coming back. Um I think it would have to be clear at the think it would have to be clear at the think it would have to be clear at the next election that Britain is actually next election that Britain is actually next election that Britain is actually going further down the path that we're going further down the path that we're going further down the path that we're on. So two or three years from now, I'd on. So two or three years from now, I'd on. So two or three years from now, I'd have to conclude that there's actually have to conclude that there's actually have to conclude that there's actually no there's no way we're coming back. no there's no way we're coming back. no there's no way we're coming back. It's over. And that's happened to great It's over. And that's happened to great It's over. And that's happened to great countries and great civilizations in countries and great civilizations in countries and great civilizations in history. If that's what happens, then I history. If that's what happens, then I history. If that's what happens, then I I don't see why I should do my children I don't see why I should do my children I don't see why I should do my children to living here. If we can rescue it, uh, to living here. If we can rescue it, uh, to living here. If we can rescue it, uh, and and and make this sounding like Trump, make make this sounding like Trump, make make this sounding like Trump, make Britain great again, but you know what I Britain great again, but you know what I Britain great again, but you know what I mean. Um, then I I I would love to fight mean. Um, then I I I would love to fight mean. Um, then I I I would love to fight for that and I'd love to to have my for that and I'd love to to have my for that and I'd love to to have my children be part of that. children be part of that. children be part of that. What is the most important thing that we What is the most important thing that we What is the most important thing that we didn't talk about that we should have didn't talk about that we should have didn't talk about that we should have talked about? talked about? talked about? >> This point I keep coming back to, >> This point I keep coming back to, >> This point I keep coming back to, Stephen, which is we can't live in a Stephen, which is we can't live in a Stephen, which is we can't live in a world in which we care more about how world in which we care more about how world in which we care more about how things make us feel than about the things make us feel than about the things make us feel than about the consequences of the actions that we take consequences of the actions that we take consequences of the actions that we take so much. This is a Thomas Sol. Last time so much. This is a Thomas Sol. Last time so much. This is a Thomas Sol. Last time you had me on, I mentioned to you what a you had me on, I mentioned to you what a you had me on, I mentioned to you what a great writer and thinker Thomas Soul is. great writer and thinker Thomas Soul is. great writer and thinker Thomas Soul is. I don't know if you've had a chance to I don't know if you've had a chance to I don't know if you've had a chance to check out any of his work, but I check out any of his work, but I check out any of his work, but I recommend it thoroughly to everyone recommend it thoroughly to everyone recommend it thoroughly to everyone watching and listening. He he talks watching and listening. He he talks watching and listening. He he talks about the fact that the last several about the fact that the last several about the fact that the last several decades have been spent replacing what decades have been spent replacing what decades have been spent replacing what works with what feels good. That's the works with what feels good. That's the works with what feels good. That's the one thing we're not talking about. All one thing we're not talking about. All one thing we're not talking about. All the policies you and I have been talking the policies you and I have been talking the policies you and I have been talking about are all about what makes us feel about are all about what makes us feel about are all about what makes us feel good as opposed to what actually works good as opposed to what actually works good as opposed to what actually works in practice. And our conversation about in practice. And our conversation about in practice. And our conversation about chasing out entrepreneurs, it's exactly chasing out entrepreneurs, it's exactly chasing out entrepreneurs, it's exactly about that. It's exactly what it's about that. It's exactly what it's about that. It's exactly what it's about. It's about fulfilling your about. It's about fulfilling your about. It's about fulfilling your ideological emotional needs as opposed ideological emotional needs as opposed ideological emotional needs as opposed to doing things that practically work. to doing things that practically work. to doing things that practically work. If we can make that adjustment and get If we can make that adjustment and get If we can make that adjustment and get back to reality, the world's our oyster. back to reality, the world's our oyster. back to reality, the world's our oyster. >> An immigrants love letter to the West, >> An immigrants love letter to the West, >> An immigrants love letter to the West, the book that you wrote. It was a smash the book that you wrote. It was a smash the book that you wrote. It was a smash here, Sunday Times bestseller. here, Sunday Times bestseller. here, Sunday Times bestseller. >> Yeah. Unfortunately, it gets more >> Yeah. Unfortunately, it gets more >> Yeah. Unfortunately, it gets more accurate every day, which is really accurate every day, which is really accurate every day, which is really worrying because I was very pessimistic worrying because I was very pessimistic worrying because I was very pessimistic about a lot of the things I said. about a lot of the things I said. about a lot of the things I said. >> That is absolutely right. You wrote >> That is absolutely right. You wrote >> That is absolutely right. You wrote this, was it 2022? this, was it 2022? this, was it 2022? >> 2022, it came out. >> 2022, it came out. >> 2022, it came out. >> 2022. >> 2022. >> 2022. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it appears to be a prediction as the >> And it appears to be a prediction as the >> And it appears to be a prediction as the days go on. A prediction that is being days go on. A prediction that is being days go on. A prediction that is being validated, unfortunately. I highly validated, unfortunately. I highly validated, unfortunately. I highly recommend everybody reads this book. I'm recommend everybody reads this book. I'm recommend everybody reads this book. I'm going to link it below for anyone that going to link it below for anyone that going to link it below for anyone that hasn't read it. What's unique about you hasn't read it. What's unique about you hasn't read it. What's unique about you is you do appear to be very wedded to is you do appear to be very wedded to is you do appear to be very wedded to objective truth as you see it versus objective truth as you see it versus objective truth as you see it versus being ideologically cap captured by being ideologically cap captured by being ideologically cap captured by either side. And I've seen you I've seen either side. And I've seen you I've seen either side. And I've seen you I've seen you both attack the right at times and you both attack the right at times and you both attack the right at times and I've also seen you attack the left at I've also seen you attack the left at I've also seen you attack the left at times which is it's a unique position to times which is it's a unique position to times which is it's a unique position to be in in a world with algorithms that be in in a world with algorithms that be in in a world with algorithms that try and push you into a particular echo try and push you into a particular echo try and push you into a particular echo chamber. chamber. chamber. I guess on that point what is it about I guess on that point what is it about I guess on that point what is it about the the right that you take most issue the the right that you take most issue the the right that you take most issue with at the moment? with at the moment? with at the moment? >> Oh there's a thing that I've uh other >> Oh there's a thing that I've uh other >> Oh there's a thing that I've uh other people have at a similar time. So, I'm people have at a similar time. So, I'm people have at a similar time. So, I'm not claiming authorship of it, but not claiming authorship of it, but not claiming authorship of it, but there's something that I call the woke there's something that I call the woke there's something that I call the woke right, uh, which is essentially an right, uh, which is essentially an right, uh, which is essentially an identitarian resentment victimhood-based identitarian resentment victimhood-based identitarian resentment victimhood-based movement on the right, represented by movement on the right, represented by movement on the right, represented by the sort of extreme characters like Nick the sort of extreme characters like Nick the sort of extreme characters like Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens in the United Fuentes and Candace Owens in the United Fuentes and Candace Owens in the United States. You know, their worldview is States. You know, their worldview is States. You know, their worldview is that they they've been oppressed. You that they they've been oppressed. You that they they've been oppressed. You know, the work narrative was we are know, the work narrative was we are know, the work narrative was we are oppressed. Well, now they say we we've oppressed. Well, now they say we we've oppressed. Well, now they say we we've been oppressed and uh it's all the fault been oppressed and uh it's all the fault been oppressed and uh it's all the fault of various groups, the Jews, the of various groups, the Jews, the of various groups, the Jews, the whoevers. So, it's a kind of um there's whoevers. So, it's a kind of um there's whoevers. So, it's a kind of um there's almost, you know, I think it's fair to almost, you know, I think it's fair to almost, you know, I think it's fair to say that there are elements of it that say that there are elements of it that say that there are elements of it that are just openly fascistic and and and are just openly fascistic and and and are just openly fascistic and and and reminiscent of the Nazis that we saw in reminiscent of the Nazis that we saw in reminiscent of the Nazis that we saw in the 1930s ideologically speaking. Um, the 1930s ideologically speaking. Um, the 1930s ideologically speaking. Um, and the mainstream right has utterly and the mainstream right has utterly and the mainstream right has utterly rejected these people, which I think is rejected these people, which I think is rejected these people, which I think is really reassuring. But there are some really reassuring. But there are some really reassuring. But there are some people who who say well actually no no people who who say well actually no no people who who say well actually no no we need to include them and we shouldn't we need to include them and we shouldn't we need to include them and we shouldn't divide the conservative movement which I divide the conservative movement which I divide the conservative movement which I think is a huge mistake from for think is a huge mistake from for think is a huge mistake from for conservatives to make because their conservatives to make because their conservatives to make because their movement and their reputation with movement and their reputation with movement and their reputation with normal people will be very very badly normal people will be very very badly normal people will be very very badly polluted in the eyes of independents and polluted in the eyes of independents and polluted in the eyes of independents and moderate people who actually represent moderate people who actually represent moderate people who actually represent the overwhelming majority of the public. the overwhelming majority of the public. the overwhelming majority of the public. Even in America, which is so divided and Even in America, which is so divided and Even in America, which is so divided and so partisan, the normal average person so partisan, the normal average person so partisan, the normal average person will vote for this party or for that will vote for this party or for that will vote for this party or for that party depending on what they see. And in party depending on what they see. And in party depending on what they see. And in Britain, that's even more the case. And Britain, that's even more the case. And Britain, that's even more the case. And so to the extent that the right, so so to the extent that the right, so so to the extent that the right, so they're basically there's a risk of the they're basically there's a risk of the they're basically there's a risk of the right repeating the mistakes of the right repeating the mistakes of the right repeating the mistakes of the left. What happened on the left? Woke left. What happened on the left? Woke left. What happened on the left? Woke people came along and they said, "We're people came along and they said, "We're people came along and they said, "We're the left. Our crazy work ideas is the left. Our crazy work ideas is the left. Our crazy work ideas is actually the left." and the sensible actually the left." and the sensible actually the left." and the sensible people on the left were terrified of people on the left were terrified of people on the left were terrified of challenging them. And so over time, most challenging them. And so over time, most challenging them. And so over time, most people began to associate the left with people began to associate the left with people began to associate the left with blue-haired, nose piercing, you know, blue-haired, nose piercing, you know, blue-haired, nose piercing, you know, Greta Tunberg kind of ideology. And they Greta Tunberg kind of ideology. And they Greta Tunberg kind of ideology. And they went, I don't want any of that. Well, on went, I don't want any of that. Well, on went, I don't want any of that. Well, on the right, if the right allows its the right, if the right allows its the right, if the right allows its extremist fringe to do the same thing, extremist fringe to do the same thing, extremist fringe to do the same thing, then lots of people are going to then lots of people are going to then lots of people are going to distance themselves from that. So, I distance themselves from that. So, I distance themselves from that. So, I think the right has a tremendous think the right has a tremendous think the right has a tremendous opportunity to, you know, we've had this opportunity to, you know, we've had this opportunity to, you know, we've had this great tension. And I know you've had great tension. And I know you've had great tension. And I know you've had Jordan Peterson on your show and I'm Jordan Peterson on your show and I'm Jordan Peterson on your show and I'm sure he talked about chaos and order and sure he talked about chaos and order and sure he talked about chaos and order and that relationship is a very fragile that relationship is a very fragile that relationship is a very fragile thing in society. We have had so much thing in society. We have had so much thing in society. We have had so much chaos that there is a lot of craving for chaos that there is a lot of craving for chaos that there is a lot of craving for order now. There's a craving to deal order now. There's a craving to deal order now. There's a craving to deal with crime. There's a craving to deal with crime. There's a craving to deal with crime. There's a craving to deal with illegal immigration. There's a with illegal immigration. There's a with illegal immigration. There's a craving to deal with cultural uh craving to deal with cultural uh craving to deal with cultural uh disruption that we've had, right? disruption that we've had, right? disruption that we've had, right? There's a craving for that sense of There's a craving for that sense of There's a craving for that sense of order to come back. And if the right is order to come back. And if the right is order to come back. And if the right is reasonable and sensible about addressing reasonable and sensible about addressing reasonable and sensible about addressing those issues, they could be in charge those issues, they could be in charge those issues, they could be in charge for a very long time and have an for a very long time and have an for a very long time and have an opportunity to put some of their views opportunity to put some of their views opportunity to put some of their views into public policy, which is they into public policy, which is they into public policy, which is they haven't had uh the opportunity to do for haven't had uh the opportunity to do for haven't had uh the opportunity to do for a long time. If they allow the a long time. If they allow the a long time. If they allow the extremists to take over, they will be extremists to take over, they will be extremists to take over, they will be painted, the entire movement will be painted, the entire movement will be painted, the entire movement will be painted as the extremists and then they painted as the extremists and then they painted as the extremists and then they will not have the opportunity to will not have the opportunity to will not have the opportunity to actually implement their agenda. actually implement their agenda. actually implement their agenda. >> Are you happy? >> Are you happy? >> Are you happy? >> Very. >> Very. >> Very. >> What makes you happy? >> What makes you happy? >> What makes you happy? >> My family. >> My family. >> My family. What about your family makes you happy? What about your family makes you happy? What about your family makes you happy? >> Having children is a blessing. It's the >> Having children is a blessing. It's the >> Having children is a blessing. It's the best thing ever. I you know I banged on best thing ever. I you know I banged on best thing ever. I you know I banged on about this to you last time, but it is about this to you last time, but it is about this to you last time, but it is >> why >> why >> why >> why are children the best thing ever? >> why are children the best thing ever? >> why are children the best thing ever? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Can't explain it. It's not one of the >> Can't explain it. It's not one of the >> Can't explain it. It's not one of the like I can find some words to give you, like I can find some words to give you, like I can find some words to give you, but it's just one of those things. It's but it's just one of those things. It's but it's just one of those things. It's like you you don't know it until you like you you don't know it until you like you you don't know it until you have that experience. Uh I could give have that experience. Uh I could give have that experience. Uh I could give you some nice sound bites. You know, one you some nice sound bites. You know, one you some nice sound bites. You know, one of the things I've said in the past is of the things I've said in the past is of the things I've said in the past is that the future is no longer an that the future is no longer an that the future is no longer an abstraction. abstraction. abstraction. >> What does that mean? >> What does that mean? >> What does that mean? >> It means that >> It means that >> It means that in the past I cared about this country in the past I cared about this country in the past I cared about this country or this civilization from a fairly or this civilization from a fairly or this civilization from a fairly theoretical perspective. theoretical perspective. theoretical perspective. Now the future of this country is one Now the future of this country is one Now the future of this country is one person and maybe other people coming person and maybe other people coming person and maybe other people coming along, right? Little people that I have. along, right? Little people that I have. along, right? Little people that I have. They are the future in my mind, right? They are the future in my mind, right? They are the future in my mind, right? So I'm much more attached. I'm much more So I'm much more attached. I'm much more So I'm much more attached. I'm much more attached to the people who came before attached to the people who came before attached to the people who came before me. I have much more understanding of my me. I have much more understanding of my me. I have much more understanding of my when you have kids, you have a much when you have kids, you have a much when you have kids, you have a much better understanding of your parents cuz better understanding of your parents cuz better understanding of your parents cuz you go, "Oh, wow." So, the reason they you go, "Oh, wow." So, the reason they you go, "Oh, wow." So, the reason they did this stupid thing is a I'm also did this stupid thing is a I'm also did this stupid thing is a I'm also doing it now for some reason. And also, doing it now for some reason. And also, doing it now for some reason. And also, they were really dealing with all of all they were really dealing with all of all they were really dealing with all of all the things that I'm now deal I've got a the things that I'm now deal I've got a the things that I'm now deal I've got a job and I've got a relationship and I've job and I've got a relationship and I've job and I've got a relationship and I've got a this and I've got a that. So, of got a this and I've got a that. So, of got a this and I've got a that. So, of course, they sometimes behaved in ways course, they sometimes behaved in ways course, they sometimes behaved in ways that I didn't understand or like or that I didn't understand or like or that I didn't understand or like or whatever. So, you have more empathy for whatever. So, you have more empathy for whatever. So, you have more empathy for your parents. You also have much much your parents. You also have much much your parents. You also have much much more concern about where your country is more concern about where your country is more concern about where your country is going, your nation's going, your going, your nation's going, your going, your nation's going, your community is going, your immediate community is going, your immediate community is going, your immediate environment cuz that's where your environment cuz that's where your environment cuz that's where your children live. And then there just joy. children live. And then there just joy. children live. And then there just joy. I mean, it's um there's nothing like it. I mean, it's um there's nothing like it. I mean, it's um there's nothing like it. There's really really nothing like it. There's really really nothing like it. There's really really nothing like it. It's the most wonderful thing. It's It's the most wonderful thing. It's It's the most wonderful thing. It's hard. hard. hard. >> It you don't sleep a lot and it's >> It you don't sleep a lot and it's >> It you don't sleep a lot and it's stressful at times, but it's the best. stressful at times, but it's the best. stressful at times, but it's the best. It's absolutely the best. It's absolutely the best. It's absolutely the best. >> And you've got two kids. >> And you've got two kids. >> And you've got two kids. >> I've got one. Uh but maybe more on the >> I've got one. Uh but maybe more on the >> I've got one. Uh but maybe more on the way. way. way. >> Oh, okay. Congratulations. Thank you. >> Oh, okay. Congratulations. Thank you. >> Oh, okay. Congratulations. Thank you. >> And what what is your primary concern >> And what what is your primary concern >> And what what is your primary concern for the world they're coming into? for the world they're coming into? for the world they're coming into? >> Well, we've talked about all of this, >> Well, we've talked about all of this, >> Well, we've talked about all of this, right? I right? I right? I >> there was a primary >> there was a primary >> there was a primary >> I think my primary concern for my kids >> I think my primary concern for my kids >> I think my primary concern for my kids is that my wife and I do the best job we is that my wife and I do the best job we is that my wife and I do the best job we can in raising them well. And then can in raising them well. And then can in raising them well. And then ultimately they're going to be their own ultimately they're going to be their own ultimately they're going to be their own people and they're going to have to deal people and they're going to have to deal people and they're going to have to deal with the world in front of them in with the world in front of them in with the world in front of them in exactly the same way that others before exactly the same way that others before exactly the same way that others before have done. My grandfather uh my have done. My grandfather uh my have done. My grandfather uh my great-grandfather great-grandfather great-grandfather he was younger than me now when he was he was younger than me now when he was he was younger than me now when he was sent to the Eastern Front while he had a sent to the Eastern Front while he had a sent to the Eastern Front while he had a baby son at home and he never came back. baby son at home and he never came back. baby son at home and he never came back. Human beings have had to deal with all Human beings have had to deal with all Human beings have had to deal with all of this throughout history. We always of this throughout history. We always of this throughout history. We always have to deal with the reality of the have to deal with the reality of the have to deal with the reality of the terrible world that we face at that terrible world that we face at that terrible world that we face at that moment in time. They're going to have to moment in time. They're going to have to moment in time. They're going to have to do the same. I can't protect them from do the same. I can't protect them from do the same. I can't protect them from that. What I can do is set them up in that. What I can do is set them up in that. What I can do is set them up in the best possible way. And that's the the best possible way. And that's the the best possible way. And that's the only thing I can do as a parent. That's only thing I can do as a parent. That's only thing I can do as a parent. That's what I'm trying to do. We have a closing what I'm trying to do. We have a closing what I'm trying to do. We have a closing tradition where Damascus leaves a tradition where Damascus leaves a tradition where Damascus leaves a question for the next. question for the next. question for the next. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The question that's been left for you is >> The question that's been left for you is >> The question that's been left for you is who was the biggest non-family member who was the biggest non-family member who was the biggest non-family member influence in your life and how did they influence in your life and how did they influence in your life and how did they make you a better person? make you a better person? make you a better person? >> Yeah. Not fair to boil it down to one. I >> Yeah. Not fair to boil it down to one. I >> Yeah. Not fair to boil it down to one. I think um I I had a teacher once who um think um I I had a teacher once who um think um I I had a teacher once who um basically made me realize that it's very basically made me realize that it's very basically made me realize that it's very very important to give people an very important to give people an very important to give people an opportunity to prove themselves and he opportunity to prove themselves and he opportunity to prove themselves and he did that by giving me an opportunity did that by giving me an opportunity did that by giving me an opportunity when I really didn't deserve it but he when I really didn't deserve it but he when I really didn't deserve it but he gave it to me and I took it. I've also gave it to me and I took it. I've also gave it to me and I took it. I've also just intellectually Thomas Saul I I I just intellectually Thomas Saul I I I just intellectually Thomas Saul I I I mentioned him reading his books is just mentioned him reading his books is just mentioned him reading his books is just completely transformational for me and completely transformational for me and completely transformational for me and it really helped me think about the it really helped me think about the it really helped me think about the world. I think on a on a on a kind of world. I think on a on a on a kind of world. I think on a on a on a kind of personal behavioral level I got a a huge personal behavioral level I got a a huge personal behavioral level I got a a huge opportunity uh to to tour with Jordan opportunity uh to to tour with Jordan opportunity uh to to tour with Jordan Peterson for three weeks a couple of Peterson for three weeks a couple of Peterson for three weeks a couple of years back. Uh, and that was completely years back. Uh, and that was completely years back. Uh, and that was completely transformational seeing him up close, transformational seeing him up close, transformational seeing him up close, spending time with him, seeing that this spending time with him, seeing that this spending time with him, seeing that this is a man who the way he is in public is is a man who the way he is in public is is a man who the way he is in public is exactly the way that he is in in exactly the way that he is in in exactly the way that he is in in private. And so he really one of those private. And so he really one of those private. And so he really one of those very very rare people who preaches what very very rare people who preaches what very very rare people who preaches what he practices. I remember we uh I think he practices. I remember we uh I think he practices. I remember we uh I think it was El Paso. We arrived right on the it was El Paso. We arrived right on the it was El Paso. We arrived right on the south on the on the on the border and we south on the on the on the border and we south on the on the on the border and we arrived we were late from the airport arrived we were late from the airport arrived we were late from the airport starving starving. And one of the things starving starving. And one of the things starving starving. And one of the things that tends to happen is everyone who that tends to happen is everyone who that tends to happen is everyone who goes to his live shows works out that he goes to his live shows works out that he goes to his live shows works out that he might be at the best steak restaurant in might be at the best steak restaurant in might be at the best steak restaurant in town town town >> on the day. So we turn up to the steak >> on the day. So we turn up to the steak >> on the day. So we turn up to the steak restaurant cuz he only eats steak. We're restaurant cuz he only eats steak. We're restaurant cuz he only eats steak. We're starving. We sit down. Um the the waiter starving. We sit down. Um the the waiter starving. We sit down. Um the the waiter brings the menus. We're the moment we brings the menus. We're the moment we brings the menus. We're the moment we start looking at the menus. This group start looking at the menus. This group start looking at the menus. This group of guys comes over guy guys and girls of guys comes over guy guys and girls of guys comes over guy guys and girls comes over. He stands up, forgets about comes over. He stands up, forgets about comes over. He stands up, forgets about the menu. We're starving. gives them, the menu. We're starving. gives them, the menu. We're starving. gives them, you know, all the attention in the you know, all the attention in the you know, all the attention in the world. Selfies, has a little chat, ask world. Selfies, has a little chat, ask world. Selfies, has a little chat, ask them what they do, blah blah blah blah them what they do, blah blah blah blah them what they do, blah blah blah blah blah, sits down, places the order. blah, sits down, places the order. blah, sits down, places the order. Another group of people come over, gives Another group of people come over, gives Another group of people come over, gives them the same amount of attention. And them the same amount of attention. And them the same amount of attention. And by this point, we're dying of hunger. by this point, we're dying of hunger. by this point, we're dying of hunger. Finally, our steaks arrive, and you know Finally, our steaks arrive, and you know Finally, our steaks arrive, and you know they do in America, they say, "Please they do in America, they say, "Please they do in America, they say, "Please check that it's been cooked properly." check that it's been cooked properly." check that it's been cooked properly." So, he cuts in, he cuts off a piece, he So, he cuts in, he cuts off a piece, he So, he cuts in, he cuts off a piece, he puts it on a fork, and as he's about to puts it on a fork, and as he's about to puts it on a fork, and as he's about to place it in his mouth, a group of place it in his mouth, a group of place it in his mouth, a group of literally 20 people shows up saying, literally 20 people shows up saying, literally 20 people shows up saying, "Dr. Peterson, I'm so sorry. He puts the "Dr. Peterson, I'm so sorry. He puts the "Dr. Peterson, I'm so sorry. He puts the fork down, stands up, and gives them all fork down, stands up, and gives them all fork down, stands up, and gives them all the exact same amount of attention that the exact same amount of attention that the exact same amount of attention that he'd given the previous people. And just he'd given the previous people. And just he'd given the previous people. And just in everyone that he interacted with, in everyone that he interacted with, in everyone that he interacted with, that's what I saw. A guy who talks about that's what I saw. A guy who talks about that's what I saw. A guy who talks about living in a certain way, actually living in a certain way, actually living in a certain way, actually practices it. And that was, you know, practices it. And that was, you know, practices it. And that was, you know, incredibly inspiring for me. Really incredibly inspiring for me. Really incredibly inspiring for me. Really educational, gave me a lot of thoughts educational, gave me a lot of thoughts educational, gave me a lot of thoughts about my relationships, how I live my about my relationships, how I live my about my relationships, how I live my life. Um, he's he's a great man. life. Um, he's he's a great man. life. Um, he's he's a great man. >> Constantine. Thank you. >> Constantine. Thank you. >> Constantine. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Thanks for having >> Thank you very much. Thanks for having >> Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. me. me. >> Staying in the pursuit of truth and I >> Staying in the pursuit of truth and I >> Staying in the pursuit of truth and I highly recommend people check out highly recommend people check out highly recommend people check out trigonometry your podcast. I'm going to trigonometry your podcast. I'm going to trigonometry your podcast. I'm going to link it below. Um and also the book is link it below. Um and also the book is link it below. Um and also the book is going to be linked below. Is there going to be linked below. Is there going to be linked below. Is there anything else? anything else? anything else? >> Yes, Stephen. When are you coming on >> Yes, Stephen. When are you coming on >> Yes, Stephen. When are you coming on trigonometry? That's the question. trigonometry? That's the question. trigonometry? That's the question. >> I've just finished my book. >> I've just finished my book. >> I've just finished my book. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> it comes out in >> it comes out in >> it comes out in >> UK exclusive is what I'm hearing. >> UK exclusive is what I'm hearing. >> UK exclusive is what I'm hearing. >> Deal. Deal. >> Deal. Deal. >> Deal. Deal. >> Signed. >> Signed. >> Signed. >> Thank you so much. I really appreciate >> Thank you so much. I really appreciate >> Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. it. it. >> Thanks, man. I appreciate you having me. >> Thanks, man. I appreciate you having me. >> Thanks, man. I appreciate you having me. I believe that we are already at the I believe that we are already at the I believe that we are already at the early stages if not in World War II. early stages if not in World War II. early stages if not in World War II. >> We are one misunderstanding, one >> We are one misunderstanding, one >> We are one misunderstanding, one miscalculation away, miscalculation away, miscalculation away, >> or even one AI generated viral video >> or even one AI generated viral video >> or even one AI generated viral video >> from nuclear annihilation. So, here's a >> from nuclear annihilation. So, here's a >> from nuclear annihilation. So, here's a terrifying detail that the public does terrifying detail that the public does terrifying detail that the public does not know. So, not know. So, not know. So, >> wow.