The Best Way to Train for Strength AND Endurance at the Same Time | Mind Pump 2873

Key Takeaway

When training for both strength and endurance, the key is managing volume and intensity based on your priorities. If you're an athlete practicing a skill, do that skill daily with lighter strength work. If building muscle is your goal, flip it: three days of intense strength training, one day of moderate endurance work. The mistake most people make is going all-out on both—this guarantees you'll excel at neither.

Episode Overview

This episode explores three approaches to combining strength and endurance training: same workout, different days, and alternating weeks. The hosts discuss the pros and cons of each method, emphasizing that your primary goal (skill development, muscle building, or general fitness) should dictate your approach and how you manage training volume and intensity.

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There are three general ways to work out when you want both endurance and strength and muscle. You can either do them both in the same workout. You can do them on different days in the week or you can alternate weeks with your training. We're going to talk about the pros and cons of each approach. Some are more popular than others, but the answers may surprise you. Let's get into it. it. it. You know, you um you've talked about this study uh a lot probably in the last like I don't know year or so.

How is it a relatively new study when they did the alternating or is it is it it? Yes, it was. Yeah. And there's a reason for So, the study you're referring to uh is where they took um athletes who were both training for endurance and strength and they had them train for strength in one week and then the following week for endurance and the following week for so it's alternating weeks. Yeah. Which is a very odd or uncommon counterintuitive. counterintuitive. counterintuitive. It is. It's an uncommon way to program a workout.

any idea of the history on the theory behind that? Like who who came up with that? Like I up until that study? I mean, hindsight is 2020, right? So, we know now it's like it's logical. Okay, I could see how that makes sense. But to think of that, I wouldn't have thought of that. No, I I think the reason why that was never cuz that's it's got cons to it as well. So, you're referring to the study that showed that they got better uh muscle and strength gains and endurance gains training that way.

Okay. But there's some uh disadvantages to it. And there's a reason why uh people often don't train that way. And it's because when we look at the studies, when we look at strength and conditioning coaches, when we look at how training is applied, when you're looking for both endurance and strength, it's almost always applied to athletes. Almost always. It's almost always for sport. And I would say one of the big cons of that is when you're training for sport, not a good idea to take a week off off off from practicing your sport.

And often times sport involves lots of endurance. So if you were to apply this approach of a strength training week, an endurance week, a strength training week, it's like if you played soccer, what does that mean? You play soccer every other week. week. week. That makes sense cuz you what this doesn't take in account for is the diminished in skill. That's right. That's 100%. That makes sense. And and we know we're very aware of the the power Oh yeah. I mean, you you think of some of the greats.

Uh Steph Curry as a shooter. I think I think he does like a thousand shots a day or something. Yep. Like that's part of what's made him great is that is the muscle memory of that. He's him taking a half court shot is like one of us walking, right? Because he's done or breathing. Yeah. Yeah. He's done it at that high of volume. You take a week off every other week and you're just you're you're not going to get that nowhere near that kind of volume.

of volume. of volume. Yeah. Because what the study looked at was just output. Uh athlet like like strength and endurance output. That makes more sense to me. That's right. So let's go to the first one and then we'll get back to this one. Uh which this is more a common approach for both endurance and strength is to do them in the same workout. Okay. And typically it's broken up. Typically it's like your conditioning and your skill and then followed up by strength training is typically what you'll see.

I think the the pros with this is it allows for uh like frequent practice of a skill. So if I'm working out or training or practicing five days a week uh and and I'm playing a sport, the most important aspect being strong, definitely having endurance, definitely being conditioned is important, but there's nothing more important than your ability to perform the skill of the sport, right? Like you could take an out of shape soccer player who's got excellent skill and then you could take someone with incredible endurance and the out of shape soccer player is going to just is going to crush him at a soccer game.

Uh I remember once uh years ago uh I used to manage this is back when Raet Ball was real popular. You guys remember that back in the gyms? In every gym in every gym. Yeah. So this was the original Hillsdale club uh before they had moved over the 24 fitness one. And they had raetball courts and there was this one guy in there. I don't know what his actual I don't know if this is his actual name. I don't know if you guys ever knew him.

Mansour was was his name. I don't know if you ever saw him. Anyway, he was this French dude, old guy, and he would play everybody and he had general fitness, but he wasn't the most fit like he was an older guy. He was probably in his late 50s and he would smoke every young fit, high energy dude in there because he barely moved. He placed the ball wherever his skill was so good. He made everybody else run around around around while he sat almost in the same spot.

And we used to I used to watch him and be like, "Man, no wonder he's not tired. He's like He's like He's like barely having to move." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. While he's making you run all over the And and so that just an example of incredible skill. You could apply this to almost any sport. You know, you could have incredible strength, power, uh you know, great physical attributes, and you're just not going to throw a baseball as far as someone who knows how to throw a baseball really well.

So, I think the the value of the doing it in the same workout is when you want to get really good at a particular skill, when when the skill is important to you, whether it's because you play sports or because you want to do the skill really well, you want to run really well, you want to swim really well, you want to bike really well, or here's the other side of it, you love practicing those things. I could see that this would be a great way.

great way. great way. You're constantly reiterating that like it's always top of mind. So yeah, if you're able to apply that again like on a more frequent level like you're going to maintain the skill but also kind of build but you know then you get into the problem of volume and and at once which you know is a downside. There's so many great examples of what you you brought up with that guy and I remember uh as a young kid with lots of energy um playing pickup basketball and there was always the fat out of shape like dad.

Yep. You know You know You know goggles. goggles. goggles. Yeah. Yeah. just couldn't even barely get up and down the court, but scoring, passing, passing, passing, setting screens, blocking. I mean, just the fundamentals like his skill of he probably played his whole life. Also was slimy and he didn't want to get too close. too close. too close. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I knew a guy just like that and and and you just it was always bad. It was always kind of comical to to see, you know, this old guy, you know, play ball with you and you just in your in your head as a young kid, so I'm so much better than this guy.

You know what I'm saying? and just owns everybody. Just but just, you know, making all the right passes, you know what I'm saying? Just a goofy looking little layup, you know what I'm saying? But it's just like just shows that somebody who's who has the skill of playing because he's played for 30 years of his life, you know, even though he's not the most conditioned and in shape. Totally. This is also, and I don't want to ever discredit this, cuz I think one of the most important things we need to consider for longevity, I don't mean injury-wise, I mean just consistency, is uh if you love something, then do that thing.

Like if you really love playing basketball or running or swimming, and you're like, look, I'm doing it for fitness, but I also love it. Taking a whole week off from it might not be a good idea. even if it's, you know, and we'll get to this point. Maybe it's better for endurance, but you love it so much like keep doing it. Do it all the time. And then the challenge, like what you said, Justin, is uh how do we gauge the volume and the intensity? I think it's really important to understand when you're doing everything in the same workout, the thing that's most important to you is where you place most of the energy.

Everything else is a supporting is supporting. is supporting. is supporting. You have to have a priority in that. Yes. What you don't do is practice your skill and that's part of your workout and then go beat yourself up lifting weights. weights. weights. Well, no. The example, a great example of this, we talked about our good friend Cory Slesinger. Remember when he used to train the he used to work for the Suns and I think there was a big article about it or they on Made TV on how they those little little micro workouts, right?

right? right? Kind of like strength conditioning coach of the year. Yeah. Yeah. They would play one or two lifts. Yeah, exactly. They would they would play a game and then they would still lift, but the way they were lifting was like these little 15-minute micro micro workouts at moderate intensity. It was to support. It wasn't like they're in there hitting PRs and big back squats right after a game. It was like it was designed to get these little micro workouts in. workouts in. workouts in. This is also good for somebody who's learning a new skill.

So, if you're listening right now and you're like, look, I don't, you know, I'm not necessarily an athlete, but I do want to learn how to run. Running is a very is a skill. Uh you're better off practicing it often uh than than taking it than trying to do it every other week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and so developing a skill, this is also an advantage. Again, I'm going to say this again, the challenge is managing volume and intensity. The most of your energy goes towards the the skill you're trying to build with this particular scenario.

And secondary, big secondary is everything else. Now, if your skill is the strength training, well, then the secondary would be the the skill that you're trying to build. But I don't think this is necessarily the best uh approach for that. I think this is a really good approach for athletes, people trying to develop a skill or people who just love doing that that part of the workout and just kind of yeah, the the um strength training, you know, it actually complements it versus like it's more of the priority because I would probably not, you know, choose that as a protocol 100%.

Uh the other option is the different days. This is pretty re common, right? Where it's like, you know, this day I run or I do my sport, this day I strength train. Yeah. train. Yeah. train. Yeah. This day I do my sport, this day I strength train. Um this allows you I in my opinion to better gauge uh intensity and volume. I think the intention is way better with this cuz now you could really focus on like that priority. Yeah. This is what I'm doing all day and and like and you can manage yourself energy systemwise a lot more appropriately.

Well, this is how most college and professional athletes do stuff. Yeah. Right. So, you and they and the strength conditioning coach is communicating to the endurance and skill coaches and it's just like, "Hey, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, we're in the weight room. Tuesday, th the rest of the week, we're we're doing skills training or running through plays and stuff like that." And they're communicating with each other on the volume and intensity of each of the things they're doing and like laying off that. I think that's the most important thing when you're doing different days is recognizing the level of intensity that you're applying to the the opposite things that you're going after.

So, for example, if Monday you're strength training and then Tuesday you're going to do your endurance training, you also need to be very mindful of the level of intensity of those two days cuz they're back to back. We don't want to go all out intensity on our weight training and then go all out on our, you know, skills or endurance training on Tuesday back to back like that because they're going to hinder each other when they're You got to make your choice. You got to make your choice which is more important.

Uh I had um there's there's obviously many many times in my training career as a as a coach or trainer where I really learned a lot. Uh and I would say to be more clear, I was so super wrong and I learned finally to do it the right way. And one of them was when I finally got clients that were competitive iron man, half my iron man, iron man or triathletes. So these were like legit uh athletes. Uh you know they they were in their 30s, high volume of training, lots of I mean crazy crazy amounts of volume, very high performing individuals.

It wasn't just like they actually took it seriously. Okay. And then they hired me for the strength training component and their performance declined because my approach I thought I was doing the right approach but their performance on their runs and their cycles and their swims would decrease because of how we applied strength training. training. training. And you were just doing too much probably what it was. And I thought it was like not that much. I had to scale it down to the point where the average person that I trained, this wasn't even up close to a race.

When it got close to a race, we didn't do anything. We just did little correctional exercise mobility. We stopped the strength training, but offseason it was once a week. Once a week and it was like three lifts. You know what? Now that Okay. So, and and this is how I would if I'm a coach who who trains by the hour. Uh obviously still probably do this, but knowing what you know, if it was your kid, you would probably do more micro workouts. Right. One lift. Yes.

Yes. Yes. So, that's the diff. So that that's also the challenge too is like most coaches and trainers work by the hour and they're and so you have an athlete like you're describing right now that structure structure structure we all learn probably the exact same way doing it the wrong way first realizing like oh my god I barely need to be lifting weights to this person we all were hired by the hour and so okay logically then one day a week I'm training this person in a full body and it's not even going to be like a crazy intense 1 hour or it's going to be like a full body and it's going to be kind of moderate intensity moderate intensity moderate intensity dude it was three it literally looked like this it was three lifts long ass periods, moderate intensity to the point where this is how we got there.

I remember one person in particular. I started with them what I thought was too much and they and I'd have them report back to me, how do you feel on your runs and your cycles? Ah, I just don't feel as good or they'd start to develop little nagging pain even though I was doing things that I thought would help with that kind of stuff. So, I'd scale it back, scale it back. And back, scale it back. And then finally, I scaled it back so much that they would actually say to me like, "I don't like are we really doing anything?" And they'd say, "Let me know how you're how you perform with your other training." And then they'd come back to me and say, "I'm faster.

I'm stronger." I'm like, "Okay, this is the right amount." Even though most of our session is me and you sitting down and me stretching you in between these long rest, rest, rest, I had cyclists like this same thing. And it's like, yeah, you one day a week like and even the strength train itself kept shrinking the amount of volume. It was like cuz you had to keep that feedback going. You had to keep communicating like how it's affecting. Now you could flip this. You could be someone who says, "I am way more interested interested interested in the strength and muscle.

I like endurance. I want it, right? But I'm way more interested." You just flipped the script then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then what it looks like is three days a week of strength training, two days a week of strength training, one day a week of this highintensity kind of uh or or challenging endurance type of training. So you just flip the script there. there. there. And by the way, people tend to over overdo that, right? So what they typically do is they're they this is I think the most common mistake that we why we hear people and also we also get this wrap of like we're anti- running is that we'll get a caller who really wants to body comp, wants to build physique, that's their number one thing, but they also love to run.

And so they're always asking us like, you know, how many miles and how often? And it's just like, listen, run once once a week or, you know, do a onem one mile run after a workout, like a very small short bout or one one like long run and that's it a week. That's plenty for you to kind of keep your endurance up and be okay, but focus on that. But they always want to do two, three days of these like hourlong runs in with a three day a week type of muscle building routine.

And it's just counterproductive. You're going to you're both are going to be hindered. you're not going to be a great runner and on top of that you're not going to build muscle like you want to build muscle. muscle. muscle. But one of the benefits of this kind of training is I can focus entirely in the workout on perfecting what I'm doing. So I don't have any exhaustion from previous workout. I can focus on my technique with my strength training because it's just strength training that day.

So there is some benefit to it. It's also beneficial if you have a coach because you're going to have a coach who's good at one or the other. Rarely do you find a coach who's good at all of it. So you may have a running coach. Well, that's the day that I run. And then I got my my person that does strength training. Well, that's when I'm meeting uh with them. Um, and then we have the alternate weeks, and this is the least commonly used. the this is the least commonly used.

What this is good for. So, alternate weeks literally looks like this. This week I'm strength training, not doing anything else. And then the following week I'm doing my endurance training, and I'm not doing anything else. And I just continue to alternate. Now, what this is really good at is developing the physical attributes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Strength and endurance, muscle and stamina. Minimize muscle loss that comes from the endurance training. gradually progressing both just very gradually. That's right. This is not for people who don't have the skill of running to do it.

Uh this is not for people who need to learn how to strength train. This is for people like I want to be strong and I want to have endurance. I like doing both. What's the best way to apply this? And I like them both. I'd say this is also not for the competitive athlete. competitive athlete. competitive athlete. No, definitely not. So this is this is something that this is somebody who maybe a weekend warrior, maybe somebody who likes to do sport or stay in shape for sport.

uh but you're not trying to uh progress. You're not trying to get to the collegiate level and then the professional level uh that you don't want to back to your skills point. Skills are so important when you're trying to get continue to get I think of like Justin for something like this. Like Justin's he's already got the skills of a lot of different things. He does strength train. Watch me throw this over. He played college enough. He didn't just stop at high school. But you know it Justin genuinely values all of them.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Like whereas I endurance for me it's like I I I do it reluctantly. Uh Justin likes it. He also likes strength training. strength training. strength training. Um so he enjoys it so much he wants both. Uh I could see someone like Justin. Justin. Justin. It's interesting. Yeah it totally would fit more in my protocol. I I tend to go in spurts of of endurance. So I'll do like you know two to three months where I'm just focused on that. I'll come back to strength training as the main priority, but and two, this is another one that we didn't list, but like I've helped to convince some of my clients that were athletes or were cyclists or were, you know, to to have like two months devoted to just strength training as like an off season like we're building the body back up.

We'll get back to the endurance training. But again, too, the the the loss of skill, we're going to have to make that up. And so, it is a trade-off. You know what that that brings up an interesting point to add to this discussion is what Justin is saying. And I don't know if I would I I might do it the way Justin does it uh based off what cuz here's the thing. He doesn't uh he can sacrifice not really lifting weights to build muscle for a month, month, month, right?

right? right? One of the benefits that we all have is that we've been building muscle for a very long time. Uh it's very similar to what I experienced when I intentionally lost all that weight and then it's like you can get muscle back so quick and and he has so he has such a good base for strength that even if he decreases strength by 20% cuz he's been training endurance for a whole month, who cares? who cares? who cares? It it makes more sense for somebody who's probably still on the rise of of building both.

building both. building both. I could see somebody who just loves them both and just wants to just do it for the rest of their life. I think this is a great way to manage intensity, manage volume, uh not have to not be so tricky about when I do each type of deal. Yeah, I could totally get into the strength training mindset, but then hey, I miss my endurance stuff. Oh, no problem. That's next week. And I I feel like this is a really good long-term approach for someone who kind of wants all the attributes.

They like the endurance. They like the strength. They want to minimize potential. minimize potential. minimize potential. The hybrid type individual wants to feel like they're constantly in shape but also still strong. So, we've had and it's cool about this is we've had a couple callers. couple callers. couple callers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who have called in who fell in this category. These are people that like them both. They've been working out for a while. Like, look, I I like both. How do I do this? I say, hey, experiment with this and come back to us.

We've had people come back 90 days later and say, it's the weirdest thing. I both got stronger and got faster. Yeah. With my endurance. There's something to it for sure. Which is which is really really interesting. Anyway, speaking speaking to you, Justin, I got to ask you because you're not a huge supplement taker. Yeah. But you've been taking the prescriptions uh methylin blue pretty consistently. consistently. consistently. Yeah, I want I want to know your experience on experience on experience on I tend to go like one thing is like a focus or maybe two at the most but like um with the methyline blue I've been very consistent with that over the last I would say like two months uh so far and uh I found my dose and so it's like that's the other part of it for me is to really like figure out okay how this is affecting me my little so it's two It's like basically half of the uh the cube.

Oh [ __ ] I was doing a full one. So, one. So, one. So, bro bro bro all the way back. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, maybe I don't need that much. I don't know. It's interesting because I I definitely know it affects people like completely different. Like I had Courtney using it and she's barely notices any effects and she's done like the full dose and still not much. For me, I feel it like dramatically. It's It's something too like my caffeine levels I can kind of taper down a bit and then I'm like pretty consistently energetic all day when I'm taking it.

Yeah, Jessica's had a good experience with it. So, she'll sometimes get a like an energy crash in the afternoon the and the problem with that is like if it's 3:00, 4:00 even, you get an energy crash. Like you can't have a lot of people just if they have caffeine at that time. that time. that time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll affect your sleep. And so she's like, "What do I, you know, what do I do?" So, I've been giving her one or two of the little squares of the methyline blue, and you could take it at 3 and sleep.

sleep. sleep. It's It's not Now, you don't want take it right before bed, but you could definitely take it in the afternoon and not have this negative effect. I remember when we uh what was the guy's name? The owner, the founder. Oh, gosh. Scott. Scott. Thank you. Thank you. Uh when Scott was on, such a great guy, by the way. His stack that he he had me taking was methylin blue in the daytime and then taking the the two the calm and then the sleep sleep sleep before bed.

before bed. before bed. Before bed. And I forgot why he said that. that. that. He said methylin blue in the in the morning will actually help sleep later too. too. too. Yeah, that's what he said. That was like my sleep stack. So my sleep stack included the methyline blue and it was to and I couldn't remember why why that played into that cuz typically it's more like mental clarity and like and like and like Yeah, it's a bit of an upper. It's not like a it's not like a pre-bed, but he I forgot what he said was going on a neurological level what was happening uh early on in the day to take it and then later on.

Well, you know what I felt the most was like I think it was because I was doing a lot more constant like manual labor and stuff around the house and I'm like, you know, very like a lot more kind of activity overall throughout the day. A lot more steps like and I was like when I would take methyl boos was a lot more of a boost than when I wasn't. I would I would bonk heart, you know, when I wasn't using wasn't using wasn't using No, it boosts it boosts dopamine.

Uh and and so gives you a little bit of that drive. You know, since you brought up transcriptions, I should share too because I had so I'd been sharing a lot on my uh my Instagram stories my sleep scores. Part of why I was sharing that uh was that I had that's what I had done was I took Scott stack for me and was improving my sleep. And so when you saw me uh sharing all those great scores, that was me experimenting with that. So I saw I saw great results from that.

So my sleep has been really really good and that stuff is is amazing. Sweet. All right, I got I just got to uh talk about something real sad. It's very very sad for for my people. For your people. The the the EV Ferrari. Oh, bro. Oh, bro. Oh, bro. Can you pull up a picture of it? I just want Justin to look at this. The ugliest thing thing thing EV Ferrari. Like listen, listen, listen, blasphemy. blasphemy. blasphemy. My family, my cousins. Uh I mean, Italy is in a state of uh this like despair.

Okay. Okay. Okay. First, we didn't make it to the World Cup. Cup. Cup. The stock dropped big time. Okay, that's it. They've always been known for beautiful cars, dude. That's like like what are you doing? They hired the most iPod guy. They hired the iPod guy on the inside. It would be like an Yes. This is an Apple engineer. I think this would be like like an like a famous Italian chef making hot dog. Like, what are you doing? Why would you do that? Yeah. Chef Warrior D.

Look at this car, bro. That's a Ferrari right there. You know what that looks like? An iPhone on wheels. Look at the interior. The interior is the It's horrible, dude. dude. dude. It's so ugly. It is not Ferrari. That's horrible. That's horrible. That's horrible. In fact, I think it's like a painted Prius hybrid. Yeah, it is. Uh it was designed by uh former Apple chief designer, Sir Johnny Ivy. Ivy. Ivy. Yeah, Iv. Doug, put put Oh, he's famous. Look up look up the interior. I want I want Justin to look at the interior.

interior. interior. Everything about it. Dude, my my my my brother-in-law is just like he goes uh he goes, "First we don't make it to the World Cup again," which is devastating. He's like, "And then we make this car." Like, "What is happening to us, bro? It looks terrible." No, man. No, man. No, man. No, it's like it's You got Okay, that one right on the right. You look at the interior. Look at that, bro. That's a Ferrari. It's Ferrari. It's Ferrari. It's horrible. horrible. horrible. What is going on?

That's horrible. That's horrible. That's horrible. It doesn't even look like a Ferrari. Yeah. No, it's horrible. It literally looks like Apple made a car. They they going to start serving pineapple on the pizzas over there. I mean, I've been telling you guys I've been telling you guys this for the last the last couple years. So, obviously I follow all this stuff. Didn't their stock as far have are they public? public? public? Yeah. Yeah. They didn't their stock plummet because Yeah, they've been on a downward spiral for the last two two three years now.

It's been ever since they introduced all these hybrid futuristic looking cars. This is not their first one. So, they had they had already released a car before this that was uh that was all electric and then a all their Oh, by the way, that ugly car you just saw is $600,000. Just so throw that out there. there. there. $600,000 car. $600,000 car. $600,000 car. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't And you have to own other Ferraris to buy it. Yeah. No, it'll it'll tank. It'll tank.

All the every all the cars that have been released uh by Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, all the ones that have Yeah. See, they've been on a downward downward trend for a while now. I mean, a decent buy because I they they'll they'll they'll turn around. It'll turn around. They already listened to uh so the SF90 came out, they had So, they first started doing this about two years ago, maybe three now, actually. Um all the steering wheel they they got rid of the uh actual like of they got rid of the uh actual like push button start and well, first they got rid of the key, then it became a push and now it's just a digital screen that you touch with your finger, turn it on, and nobody wants that.

And and then same thing with all like your like you're driving a car, you want buttons. Yeah. You want And knocks you analog. You want analog. Like nobody wants like I remember when uh I remember when Range Rover did this years back. Uh it was my biggest knock on that transition when they went through this. There was there was nothing that pisses me off more when I'm trying to drive and change the AC with a digital button. digital button. digital button. Yeah. Because you got to look at it.

Yeah. You got to look at it and then you miss and you know you're driving over a bump and you miss a little bit. It's like you want to grab a knob and just turn a knob. you don't want to have to look and and so a lot of these cars made that mistake and and even more so on a high performance car. It's one thing for Range Rover to do. It's a whole another thing for a you know a sports car like a you know Ferrari and it's $600,000.

Let me ask you this, Adam, because I don't typically like ask your investment advice, especially not on stocks, but for cars you seem to be on point. Do you think that this car that could potentially go up in value because it's the ugliest Ferrari ever made? made? made? No, definitely not. It'll it'll take you don't think it could happen to the what it's doing. What it's doing so bad. What it's doing and this is what I This is why I was pushing Doug so hard a while back and to get you you want to know what he would have made on the ones I've been begging him to buy for 2 years now.

Yeah. He would have made about 150 200 grand on and so what and and I knew this was all coming down the pipe. And so what it's doing is everybody who is still a a lover of or an enthusiast of Ferrari or Lam any of these is all the older ones which are no longer made are rising in or skyrocketing in value. Everyone's going back to the older car. Nobody wants all this all this futuristic [ __ ] in their sports car. This is why a a manual a manual version of any model is worth 50 to 100,000 more than just this.

So, two of the same Ferraris. Yeah. But one with stick shift. One with a stick shift is 50 grand to 100 grand more just for being It's funny. Any car person I know that's like they wanted a manual like transmission like they're they're looking for like old features. None of this new stuff. So, what it is and I've had the opportunity to drive a lot of older stuff, newer stuff is uh you lose the feeling of feeling of feeling of the experience, the experience, the experience, the excitement of the whole process.

It's gotten so and there there's a point and I I believe there's middle ground there. Like I'm a I'm a big fan of like I do like that we like traction control. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get you get 400 horsepower in a muscle car, it's dangerous. dangerous. dangerous. Oh, very very it's it's you know you could have a 600 700 horsepower modern car, not dangerous, right? dangerous, right? dangerous, right? You get a muscle car 300 horsepower. Yeah. And you don't know what you're doing. That's exactly right.

So there's there's certain things that I think was like modern and and what's cool is like some some like the old little bit older Ferraris, right? You can you can I can control that, right? So I can on mine I can control 15 degree play. It gives me I can control 50° play. The older older ones all off nothing. You know what I'm saying? Right. And then and then newer ones it's just it's like the steering is all you don't feel like you're connected to the road, you know?

It's it's so responsive, you know, and it's so good that you also don't feel the road. And so it loses some some of its feel and viol. And so what it's doing so what this is doing is it so it it'll sell for 600. And by the way, they the only way they'll sell is talking to like one of my buddies who's a dealer at Ferrari and he's like, "Imagine my how I have to pitch this thing." I said, "You only have one pitch." Which is what they already do, which is, "Hey, listen.

I know this is a piece of [ __ ] and it's going to and this is the only it's a piece of [ __ ] and it's going to lose you $300,000 as soon as I sell it to you. But if you buy this, I guarantee I'll get you the one of 500 speciality that comes out." So buy this to get the other one. one. one. That's exactly what they already do. That's the game is that when you're in with a dealership like that, you have to buy seven, eight of them.

of them. of them. So hard to get. Yes. Because there's only 500 made at the special and everybody in the world wants one because that's the best sales pitch I heard in my life. my life. my life. That's the only sales pitch. That's the only one cuz anything else is full of [ __ ] And anybody anybody who's a enthusiast knows like that's that's what's going to happen. And that's how they will still sell them. They they will still sell them because they'll use it as leverage.

It's not just ugly for a Ferrari. It's ugly. ugly. ugly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A Tesla looks better than that. It does. And it's way cheaper. I know. I know. I know. And that's $600,000. Crazy. I think they done. done. done. I think what happened I'm so sad for Well, I think what happened is cuz we're we're communicating this in real time, but these decisions were made 2, three years ago when when everybody told you that every car is going to be elected. Yeah. All the laws were coming out saying that like all these brands had to be all electric by a certain year.

I mean, so there was a lot of companies that made these commitments. You come out with a coal pl powered car, Justin, just to go the other direction. Every once in a while, you still see those guys that have turn converted their diesels to those diesel stacks out the the the back and they turn it out on the crowd. That's that's so douchy with the other extremes. extremes. extremes. How do they do that? What's coming out of that? Is it just that just mixes particulates? Yeah.

Here, let me just cancel. cancel. cancel. I don't know how they don't get pulled over right away for you see them and when you see them, they're just I mean, this is like a black cloud of smoke. Black. I don't know. I feel like I feel like the two are that way. These Yes, dude. Yes, dude. Yes, dude. It's like the Duke's tree. You're both douchy. Super wild though. What's uh what's happening and watching all that. It's just it's funny to me to see my family and all the like people who are like you know like cuz Ferrari is well you also have a lot of car enthusiasts in your family.

I do and Ferrari is a very depressed are a lot of your family everybody everybody's embar embarrassed is the right word. So uh uh Italian culture it has so much pride in certain things like food and cars and cars and cars fashion. Well Ferrari has to be one of the most Yeah. Most Ferrari is it's Italy dude. It would be like it would be like a bald eagle for America. You know what I mean? If like if bald eagles turned into a pigeon or suddenly turned into a pigeon, Americans would be crying.

You know what I mean? WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT HAPPENED? NO WAY. I KICKED THESE or we or we got or we changed it to a different bird. Like, oh, we're going to move away from this bald eagle thing. We're going to be a pigeon now. The majestic. Yeah. Trash eating pigeon. It's going to be the blue jay. We're going to be the Anyway. All right. I'm going to change direction. So there's lots of articles that are floating around right now going viral on the use of GLP of GLP of GLP uh you know like um you know trespide for some maglutide the new one that just uh they just came out with the phase three trial for reat which is like it's crush it's even better than the other ones in terms of like weight loss and there's all this like speculation that's coming out so I'll read to you guys Bill Maher this is my whole interview with Shelene Johnson all she wanted to talk to so Bill Maher had somebody on his show uh that talked that where they talked about this and there's some I'm going to pull it up.

There's some interesting things about what what people are thinking that these GLPs are potentially causing. So, and I and I would love I'm trying to find my notes. Here they are. I would love your guys's uh speculation on this because this is a there's a I'll just I'll just read to you what this what this says here. So, this is on Bill Maher and he said that uh or this person that was on the show said that CEOs are worried or concerned about employees on OMIC because they don't they they're seeing that they're losing their motivation.

They don't want to work as hard. hard. hard. No [ __ ] Okay, hold on. You guys already know the answer. answer. answer. Nourished. Nourished. Nourished. There's other people that are like and there's people speculating it takes away your desire for pleasure. So now and and people are reporting less desire for sex, less desire to do things that they normally enjoyed normally enjoyed normally enjoyed and they're blaming the GLP because we also see with GLP use is a lowered which see it seems to have a positive impact on habitual impulsive uh behaviors like smoking and drinking.

I mean they're all hedonistic dopamine driven responses that you're now what they're trying to connect is they're saying okay if it's reducing your desire for cigarettes and alcohol or hedonistic foods then maybe the fear is you're just not going to like things as much period and you'll be more depressed or whatever and so they're trying to connect the two and so I think and I'll say this now I could be wrong but I don't think I am I don't think that's the connection here's what's happening everybody people are undereating like That's it.

You're low calorie. I mean, just going through that process where you're like in a deficit for a long period of time, you will not feel like bodybuilding. You'll have no energy. You'll be depressed and you won't want to have sex to be like that. I I I wish that maybe somebody who's like uh savvy go through and and make a compilation of all the conversations you guys had with me during that whole experiment because I remember sharing this with you going like going like going like there's times when I would come home and I had to make a decision like do I go get my little 15-minute workout in or do I help my wife and kid around the house for the next four hours.

I had to choose because I was so just I had no energy desire desire desire to get up and do anything. underfed. Yeah. And and it's and you're you're malnutritioned. You're underfed. Um and so yeah, you lose a lot of the desire to do anything. And and you had to have that. Now granted, I I went through it trying to go through it the way I thought everybody else would. You know, if I were to go do it now, which I've considered this, too. I've considered running it back again with my trainer brain.

Like now, what happens when I make myself eat protein even when I don't want to? I take a lower just the right dose of it to curb some of the appetite like watch me get shredded, watch me be fine, watch all those things like but it's like nobody's like very few people are there's a lot of discipline you're throwing in there in my strong opinion because there's another study there was a study that was published in the Lancet uh of psychiatry which found that people on GLP-1 GLP1s had lower risks of depression anxiety and substance use disorders and other psychiatric outcomes over 95,000 people actually did better they besides weight loss and stuff like that better sleep better mobility so they felt better but why is it that some people are reporting or employers are reporting or they're saying hey I have less desire to do everything in life they're undernourished undernourished undernourished under calorie under calorie under calorie I'm going to tell you this right now don't give anybody a jail put them on 900 calories a day and at some point probably within a month all those same things back not motivated to work don't really feel like having sex don't want to get up and help my wife around the house depressed Yes.

depressed Yes. depressed Yes. Like, yeah. Like, yeah. Like, yeah. Yeah. You're undereating like crazy. Because the truth is these GLPs, if they if they do anything in combination with not eating too little and some proper, you know, I like to see probably improves all those. You know what I'd like to see? Okay. Because I think part of what's happening right now, too, is we're lumping in a huge percentage of people that have no business even taking it. Yes. Yes. Yes. And don't have 100 lb of energy stored in fat.

in fat. in fat. I need to lose 15 pounds. Yes. I need to lose 15 pounds and I'm taking this which you're you know what I'm saying and they're and they're taking it. And so I actually think it's hurting and making those people have more negative effects than the obese person who already feels lethargic, who already feels tired, who already feels depressed, who already feels unmotivated. And now they're bringing this weight off and they're actually feeling the opposite. They're actually feeling, "Wow, I feel more energetic.

I can do more because they've been living in that place for so long versus the, you know, average person is like, oh, I need to shred. I want to lose a little 15 lbs. Let me take a zip. It crashes their appetite to 900. And now they're feeling the opposite. And and this is a a perfect example of how we skew uh or distort success. Why are people staying on these things if they feel so terrible? I'll tell you why. They see the scale going down.

The scale going down is how they're judging how successful they are. Meanwhile, libido's gone. Low motivation, low energy, but they're like, "Hey, I'm losing weight. Let's keep going." I've seen this. I've seen this in gyms before GLPs. I've seen this so many times with people where they're just I'm looking at them and we're talking. I'm like, "You feel I'm thinking in my head like you feel terrible, but you're telling me you're successful because you keep losing weight on the scale, but I know you're losing muscle and I know you're undereating and that's why you're having all these issues and you're blaming other things." Look, I'll I'll make another I'll use another example.

Uh bodybuilders who are on enough hormones to make you feel libido no matter what will have no libido pre-contest. pre-contest. pre-contest. Yeah, that was me. Yeah. You've experienced that. Why? Because you're starving. Yeah. Yeah. The last the last 10 to 14 days of every show, you know, I'd lose my sex drive completely and taking, you know, know, know, steroids, testosterone. steroids, testosterone. steroids, testosterone. Yeah. Yeah. But it was just But it had more to do with that. It was the I'm just I've been dep I'm depleted and that your your body has no desire to do those things.

It's trying to survive. That's right. right. right. Last thing is doing is extracurricular activities. activities. activities. Trying to do that. That sounds like work and you're like, I can hardly do anything. The other part I want to uh address is that because you see these criticisms and I get the criticisms they're true but the way they're positioning them is not 100% accurate. They're like what happens when you get off the GLP? It's like well same thing that happens when you get off your statin or you get off any other medication like everything goes back to the way it was before.

So now I there are ways to set yourself up and I believe very strongly we've seen this with our clients here with our coaches and trainers and trainers and trainers of setting yourself up for a higher degree of success coming off. But it is not I went on it, ate less, and then just went off of it because then it'll go back. go back. go back. I'm I'm glad you said that cuz I I do want to point that out because it does sound like uh if you've listened to the show long enough like maybe we're or we're going one direction then and then then changing our mind about something like that.

And I definitely have open openly said that I've definitely changed my opinion on what I think it's going to be a net positive. I think it's going to be a net negative now because too many people are doing it. But we've seen huge success with it with our coaches. Yes. with our coaches that have CL. We have a lot of people that uh are on GLP1s that are getting coached by our trainers, but our trainers are taking them through reverse diets and they're teaching them how to do or they're asking their doctors to reduce doses if they're if it's crashing the appetite too much.

And so I think with the proper and then we're also teaching people to journal like why were you you know when you would normally go eat that thing what were you going through what was h like so there's where there's more work to be done than just take this GLP1 and lose the weight it's like you were using food if you work with somebody who is carrying 50 100 plus pounds overweight for a long period of time you were using food to medicate okay and so you have to ask yourself what was I medicating and also So, uh, when you medicate with something, it it's cuz it works to an extent, even though the side effects may be terrible.

be terrible. be terrible. How do I replace this? That's right. That's right. That's right. Cuz you can't just take something off. Uh, I mean, you can, but your odds of success with that are very, very low. What do I replace this with that can help me feel better, you know, type of deal, deal, deal, you know, talking about medication and no energy. So, that dude, my uh my house got hit with the Nora virus literally on Wednesday night. So, we left, we all left here Wednesday.

Wednesday and Wednesday night. It was Max first. Yeah, Max first. He uh he had his last day of school on Wednesday. So, I'm assuming picked it up from school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No signs until literally the middle of the night. He was we were up in Reno and we were staying up with my sister and uh he was he was sleeping with my sister and Katrina and I were in another room and he comes walking into our room at like 2:00 in the morning or something like that and he comes around to my side.

Daddy, I got bad news. And I'm like, what's wrong, buddy? He's like, I threw up. And I'm like, are you okay? Yeah, I'm okay. I said, did you make it to the toilet? Uh, not all of it. I'm like, oh, great. So, we get up to go clean up the mess and do our thing. And then Katrina takes him to the other room just to check keep stay by him. And then I wake up in the morning and she's been up all night. She's like, he was just vomiting.

Vomiting, diarrhea, just allo just came on like full on. Poor kid. Real. Yeah, it was really it was so bad that so he couldn't hold fluid down. Couldn't hold anything. That was terrible. terrible. terrible. I mean, we couldn't uh we couldn't even uh we were trying to tablespoon uh water to him and he was just I mean, you give him a little bit and then within 15 30 minutes he was throwing up again and so he couldn't so we had to take him to urgent care.

Urgent care was like now was it because you saw dehydration symptoms in him? Oh, because two days had gone by and the kid or a day and a half had gone by and he couldn't even hold a tablespoon of water down, you know, and so we're like this is really bad. It like if I food's expected, but like not even be able to hold water. No, no, that's that's dangerous. Yeah. Not even able to hold water down and and vomiting and dying that much, you know?

So, we're like we took him to urgent care and urgent care was like I think you need to take him to the hospital. I think he's going to get worse. And so Katrina and I were like, "Man, I don't want to take him to the hospital." Because hospital." Because hospital." Because taking a kid who is 6 years old, which is all they're going to do is they're going to hydrate. They're going to put an IV in them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That can be traumatic as [ __ ] Yeah.

The whole thing. Yeah. And And he's going, "Daddy, I don't want to go to the hospital. I don't want to go to the hospital." And I'm like, "Well, we we got to drink water, dude. You got to be able to drink water. You have to." And so I'm like coaching him through it. And you can see him just doing everything he can just to get it. And we would start to get some tablespoons of water in every like 15, 20 minutes. That's what it was. And then I'm like telling Katrina I'm like we're all the way up here in Reno.

I'm like and and this is this is not looking good and like we're probably going to get sick uh in this with if it's Nora virus like there the urgent care said we're it's super contagious. I'm like it's going to hit all of us and then we're going to be stuck up here away from family, away from our doctors. I'm like we got to get on the road and get back home. And she's like there's no way I'm taking him like this. Like we he can't even hold water for an hour.

how are we going to drive 4 hours? And I'm like, well, as soon as he gives us a window like that, we just got to go. I said, and we had two cars. I'm like, well, I'll just leave one car. We'll all go together. You lay in the back with him. So, we kind of go back on that. Then my sister starts going. She start and I'm like, honey, this is coming our way. And like, what are we going to do when it's all of us and we're stuck up here?

And so we get on the road and uh you know for sure not what she wanted to do. Did he make it the whole way without So he did. Oh wow. Um he was so uh fatigued and drained at this point this point this point like Katrina is scared to death in the back seat cuz he's like he has like so little energy he's he's passing out. And she's trying to every 15 minutes give him a tablespoon of water because that's all we can give him.

He can't drink. He drinks he's throwing up right away. So, it's like table, you know, or teaspoon of water. Teaspoon of water. And uh, you know, he he'd fall asleep cuz he's just so exhausted. He's talking about so low calorie and depletion, right? And, uh, I'm like watching looking in the rearview mirror as she's holding back there. Poor guy would be out, you know, and then like 15 minutes would go by and she wants and she'd be like, "Matt." And she'd try and get to him to talk to him and he was so out of it that he wasn't responsive.

And so she'd be like shaking him. Yeah. She's freaking me out. Should we go to the hospital? Oh my honey, let's just get home. He hasn't thrown up. We're okay. We get there that night. Same thing, you know? He's he's like so kind of out of it. And seeing him that out of it. And my son doesn't cry. Like he's I've told the story before like we've always been so consistent with throwing up that he'll throw up and like talk to you. Yeah. That doesn't upset him.

Yeah. And so this is the first time I'd seen the negative effect of that because we're so scared, but we also know he's just so chill. They're like, "God, is he not telling us how bad he is?" and he's really really like on the edge right now. And that's what Katrina's wrestling with. Like he's not crying, you know? He's not saying he hurts or anything's bothering him. He's just kind of out of it, you know, like cuz he's so fatigued. So, we get that night. I convince her to, you know, hang in there.

Let's just let's just make it through the night. And if he's still this bad tomorrow, I said, "We'll go to the hospital, but I really don't want to take him to the hospital and get an IV cuz I just feel like that'll be more traumatic for him." And then 1:00 in the morning, she comes in the room just out of control vomiting. So now I got both of them. Oh, Oh, Oh, just out of control, vomiting and diarrhea and the whole thing and just messed up.

And I'm like, boy, we're like only a matter of time. I mean, I don't get sick, dude. I didn't get sick. I have have have wild wild wild no idea. I go, dude. Miracle. Miracle. Miracle. The only The only The only When did her symptoms get So she got it. So when did he get better? When she get better. So she Wednesday night it hit. Uh Thursday was the scary day. Friday morning was so Thursday night was when she wanted to go to the hospital. Friday morning was when I saw life come back into him.

He wasn't good. Still dying but he but he was going the other direction and so it was like positive like we could hold sips of water down. That was Friday morning. She is by Friday morning she's I don't even see her. She's in the restaurant. I'm taking care of Max and and just checking on her when I like can I get you anything? She's like I can't even hold she couldn't even hold water down. She was she was going downhill fast. And so that was on what I say Friday.

So Saturday she was really bad. I think that's when I text you guys. My house is dis like where it's all bad. Max is starting to uh drink water a lot. We're snacking on little foods. Poor guy looks a like a skeleton. You know what I'm saying? He's lost so much weight at this at this point. Katrina is full in it though. Like she's not she can't hold water down. She's but she's forcing it. She's forcing the Pedialyte. She's forcing that stuff. But then right back in the bathroom.

Um Sunday, uh she's able to hold some water down, can't eat food yet. Monday, uh, I call a nurse to come and and bring an IV to her. And that was like life-changing. Oh, yeah. IV is life-changing, bro. When you get hydrated, you know, you know, you know, you see it within 15 minutes. It's crazy when uh cuz I've now like we've done we've talked on the show a lot about the benefits of NAD, glutathione, and things like that. And you know, when we've taken it, when we're healthy, it's not something I really feel.

But when you're sick, I've now done it twice now coming off of like being from a flu and then when I was recovering from the cratom and boy and getting an IV of like hydration, glutathione, NID. glutathione, NID. glutathione, NID. So is that what they gave her? They gave her electrolytes. her electrolytes. her electrolytes. Yeah, they gave her they basically gave her I forget what they call that stack or whatever. or whatever. or whatever. Oh, there's a name for it. There is. Not the Meer cocktail.

No, no, no. I've ordered it for family member. Yeah, it's like a IV hydration something stack something stack something stack and it has B vitamins, all the all that in it. in it. in it. It was the drip wasn't even finished and you could just like I could see the life come back in her and she's like I'm hungry and she was like ready to eat and she ate her first meal and was able to hold it down. It's like she's okay now. Yeah, she's she's like today was the first day she woke up.

She was still on the men yesterday. Um and then today she's like she's Thank God. Perfect timing, right? So he's back. He's 100% B. He was I wouldn't say 100% but he's Yesterday I was like swimming with him and we were we were doing stuff. He's low energy. low energy. low energy. Norovirus is the worst. That's so That's so That's so it's the worst. Katrina and I have been together for 16 years. Obviously we had that crazy Mexico scare where she went septic and almost died.

That was this the only time I'd ever seen her. So this is the second worst. worst. worst. I this is the closest. And she said that she's like I asked her I'm like how do you feel? I've never seen you this bad. She goes this reminds me of Mexico. And I'm like, damn. I'm like, really? Like I almost lost you in Mexico. Like, but I have not seen she doesn't get sick that bad. She rarely gets sick and then even when she does get sick, it's like so mild.

mild. mild. The last time that happened to us cuz there's a lot of stomach bugs, but norovirus is violent. Now, you can throw up and you know, whatever. And you throw up like a few times. Norovirus feels like uh food poison. food poison. food poison. Yes. But like it lasts like two days. It's brutal. And the last time we had it, it, it, Aurelius was an infant. A long time. Which scared me because he's an infant. So I'm like, if he gets this, it'll kill a baby.

a baby. a baby. Jessica got it. I got it. And I just remember like holding my son, trying to put him to sleep, but having terrible stomach cramps and no energy and being like and he was hard to put to sleep. So I'm like, "Just please go to sleep, dude. I can't hold you much longer, bro. Please go to sleep." It was a brutal three. three. three. I mean, that's the best way to explain it is exactly that. That's what So our first initial thought was that he caught food poisoning.

food poisoning. food poisoning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, he cuz we were like, he's not been around. It's violent. Yeah. It's just like that. It's just like food poison. And just like what you said, I because food poisoning normally is hard and heavy for 24 hours and then you're kind of like on the mend after that. that. that. Norovirus is a good 48 hours. And so when we saw that it had carried over 24, that's what made us go to urgent care cuz we were like, he's this is not, you know, neuroviruses are what shut down cruise ships.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If that get happens on a cruise ship, they're like quarantine. Shut everything down cuz that'll it spreads like I mean that even the the nurs nurs nurs I don't think it's airborne, right? A petri dish. Is it not airborne? Like I think it's only through contaminated surfaces. So it's not it's not it's not Yeah, but it lives on the surface for like 72 hours. You got to bleach things. Yes, Yes, Yes, that's the only thing that'll kill it. Are you and you you're probably bleaching the hell out of here.

I mean, so we I still don't understand the the appeal of freaking cruise ships. It can become airborne, but it's not a typical airborne. Okay. Yeah, dude. I I'm like I was like Lysol and bleach. I was I washed my hands. Every time I was near them or touching anything that they touched, I was I was washing my hand. I swear by this, okay? And I looked up I went down the rabbit hole of like how and it for everything all the studies that I found, there's a lot of great research around sauna use and the cold punch for immunity immune system.

And I've told you guys before on this podcast, there's been stints when I'm really consistent with that and there's stances when I'm not. And when I'm really consistent, I've had several times now where I'm always the first to get sick. We get in a room when you guys like I'm sick. It's guaranteed. The only time I've been able to survive those types of situations is one of And I have not missed a sauna and cold plunge day in like the last 45 days since I got that since the plunge sauna came.

I've been religiously every day doing that and plunge. It's just so I love it. So nice and convenient. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And I'm telling you right now, I'm the only one who's been doing that and it's that's the only I can It is wild. I would I I definitely think it had an impact. It is wild though how sometimes you can be in a house like my mom was like this. We would all get sick. My mom wouldn't get sick every time. time.

time. So that's normally Katrina. Yeah. Oh, she's the one that doesn't. She's like we could all be sick. Katrina be taking care of us, kissing on my son and like and which is why she she attempted to take care of him that way. She's kissing on him. Mom. I'm like, "Honey, if he's got the nora virus and I'm like, so I was all nervous cuz but that's normally her. She can normally take care of all of us and not get sick. It's so been so frustrating for 16 years I've seen like that." So to see her go down, I was scared shitless.

I'm like, "Fuck it, got her. It's getting me." You know who rarely, you know who rarely? You know who rarely ever gets sick? Doug. sick? Doug. sick? Doug. Doug. And then he does. It's like 24 hours. hours. hours. I think I've seen Doug sick twice, maybe. Like legit sick twice. And it's like a day and Doug shows up and he's at he's here at work. He's like, "I'm a little under the weather." I'm like, "Doug, if you're a little under the weather, we're all going to die." You know, know, know, you I think you had your worst one not that long ago.

Yeah. Uh so I did have COVID one time. Yeah. But that was weak for you. Yeah. And then uh I you know, one time I the [ __ ] out of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it wasn't even a virus. I think it was because I had this humidifier in my room and maybe there was some type of mold or something that gotten in there and I woke up in the morning, I was just weak. And then um but I didn't throw away the humidifier and then like a while later I used it again and I got the same symptoms so I just threw the thing away.

You know better. Doug is you know Doug is Chuck Norris since Chuck Norris died. Dub's chuck took on the spirit. Probably Probably the new the new memes are gonna be done. Dude, those memes where where he's taking care of us when we're old. That's what's going to happen. I'm sorry to tell you, bro. Those were so good. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. You know, a couple weeks ago, I went up and interviewed my mom and my uncle. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Together. Uh, Together.

Uh, Together. Uh, well, your mom, you got your mom's. You actually interviewed them? I interviewed them. I I have a 45minute recording of them. Great idea, dude. My mom's 93, my uncle's 95. They're going to both go up a year this year. They're they haven't had their birthdays yet. And uh they're like kids. They're like kids. Um so I'm hoping I have those genetics. Fully independent, full mobility, doesn't doesn't doesn't But they both drive. You know what that My mom's gardening all the time. And my uncle, you know what his hobby is?

What? What? What? Splitting wood. Splitting wood. Splitting wood. Wow. And he's 95. He'll drive his truck around the neighborhood, find a down tree. He'll take his chainsaw out. He'll cut it up. He'll bring it home and he'll put it in this little wood chipper he has. I mean, yeah. Wood yeah. Wood yeah. Wood splitter he has. And he'll stack it up for the winter. That's his hobby. That's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome. You know, you you've inspired me. I want to do something that it's such a good idea that you did that.

I like how I'm thinking right now. I was thinking about Katrina and I because we're 16 years deep now. Like how cool it would be like every decade that we do an interview of like our relationship, the things that we love, what are we doing right now, what what's what's our what's our son what's how old's our son and what do we what's he doing right now just to have like a every decade. You know what that's great for is your kids and your grandkids. That's what I mean.

Like how cool is that? I mean, I think it'd be cool even for us like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you 20 years from now to look back like, oh, remember when we were, oh, that's right. I remember around that time that was happening and that would be and then like you said, when Max is 30, 40 years old, he can listen to his parents. I think that's great. Every decade talk about him as a child, talk about their marriage, like there's like a a viral video that was like these graduating seniors that um I think it was when they're in elementary school.

school. school. That's what inspired me to do Max. Yeah, they they had mentioned all those like um questions that they then they uh played them the video once they graduated. graduated. graduated. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what inspired me. So this So we're coming up on Max's second one for first grade now and I have a list of questions I ask him. I'm going to ask him every single first day of school. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm going to compile it all together.

So So I'm doing that for him and that inspired me to do that. Super super. Yeah. It was pretty so bad at that. Jessica has a she has a Bible that she writes notes in the in the sides with and she's going to leave that to my daughter daughter daughter and I think that's so wonderful. You imagine that reading it and be like, "Wow, this is what my mom was saying during this time." I got my kids like PRs like on video. So that's pretty good.

That's awesome. That's about as much. Did you record their PRs? Yeah. Yeah. Well, over the weekend, well, we had a completely different experience. experience. experience. It was actually all had a better all better. better. better. Yeah. Yeah. But we uh were able to go to the gym. It was like a world's gym back in the day. It was like total bodybuilder. bodybuilder. bodybuilder. I know exactly which gym it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Palm Desert, right? Yeah. We were there and and um this cuz they normally notice that I go to the gym and then they'll kind of like uh hang out and like sleep in and you know go to the pool, whatever.

But like they get bored and it's like this time we went I was trying to like really motivate them to to hang out and like let's do things you want to do. And so we were trying to do all these things like with them in mind. Um, and I was like, I'm going to the gym. You guys come with me if you want. And like Ethan has just been on this kick because he just has been learning all this weight training at school. And I was like, I want to see it.

I want to see what she can do. And he's like, yeah, let's go. And I was like, yeah, ever you come along, too. I didn't know if he if he was too young. It was like the cut offs like 12, I guess. So, uh, he he was able to come with us. But uh dude, it was like and I tried to be I'm just like go with their curiosity like where do you want to like we want to learn about this machine? Let's let's do this machine.

Like I we started out with bench because I knew like Ethan was familiar with that and then um did you flex real quick? Did you show them what time it was? Yeah. Well, I I had to at least throw up, you know, three or four plates on there, but Well, three. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean eventually. But yeah, so you know, I was spotting him and and he had really good form and and so it was it's effort. I had to kind of like constantly cue and it was it was just fun, dude.

I was trying not to be like super trainer brain over the whole thing. Just like pick kind of like a machine or an area and then let's like discuss like how this works and like what's your body position you need to be in. And yeah, it was rad, dude. We had a great time. And so to the point where I didn't want to like, you know, have them get too sore or fatigued or anything. So we kind of stopped, you know, after like 45 minutes, an hour.

Uh, and then, you know, they wanted to come back the next day. We ended up coming back, you know, the another day after that to do just like more legs and core focus. So we kind of split it up. But yeah, dude, it was rad. And Everett, he did like 225 um, uh, trap deadlift. Everett did. Everett did. Everett did. Yeah. And he's just like a little How much does he weigh? Yeah, he's probably he was he was like 120. Yeah, he's like 120 lbs. We met strong.

It's like bro. Yeah. So potential is there. I was like okay well what's great is like at least just sparked something and now they like they're okay we want to do this more because I feel good dad. Like that was the takeaway after we left was like oh I feel so much better. I'm like, "Yeah, it's just sitting around and doing nothing and you know, like now you have energy and you want to like be engaged and we had better conversations." So, it was it was rad.

I can't wait to be able to do this. Well, it's such a cool example, too, cuz we get a lot of uh we get a lot of callers and people that message us about, you know, how to how to introduce strength training to their kids like they need to like force it or it needs to be like, "Oh, you know, every day bring them in and do this." Has to be a particular program, you know? It's like you're such a good example that is it's so much your part of your lifestyle and you've never made them come down and like you need to come live with me or you're at that age now.

It's like they'll come to you and if they if they see dad that's they if they see dad that's a part of his lifestyle and he cares. Not only that, but what what the most important thing you do with a kid is you have them uh develop a good relationship with it and enjoy it. Right. Much more important than important than important than I mean you don't for you don't force it down their throat and make it a thing that you that you that you because you want to stick.

Yeah. And and that's why it's so powerful. They come to you and they ask you and they want to be a part of it and then you share with them and then it doesn't turn into this big ordeal. And you know what? That's going to look different for every kid. Some kids might show interest at 5 years old. old. old. You know, other kids might not show interest until they get into middle of high school. Like it's going to be different for every kid. And I think the most important thing as a as a parent or a father is you be consistent.

you be that like you you you make this a part of of your lifestyle and you focus on that and don't worry like kids see what you do more than they listen to what you say and so it'll happen and I think that I think sometimes parents are like so concerned that they need to build something for these kids. It's just like no be the example this crazy structure and it's really it's like it was a hang out. We we literally were just hanging out and and just like having fun and trying things and then it's like it sparks more interest and then it's like okay let's build on that the next time.

Yeah. I don't do I don't Max is now at an age too where he we don't we used to when he was really young we brought him in the garage and he'd be doing play-doh while Katrina and I worked out. He's just he's been around it and he's I don't really talk about it bring it up or invite him to come with me. It's like at one point he's he knows that mom and dad that's a part of their life so much he he'll have interest in it and then I'm I'll be excited to introduce it to him.

Yeah. him. Yeah. him. Yeah. And until then it's not really a thing to worry about. Right. Totally. All right. I wanted to touch on there was some something viral going around about heavy metals in protein powders. Oh, I did see that. I saw both Hule and Legion on that on that post. that post. that post. So, here's the deal uh that it's really important to understand with uh with what's going on. So, first off, um, heavy metals are always in the soil. Lead is always in the soil.

Always. Here's the pro. And by the way, it's measured uh in parts per billion. So, or millionth of a gram. So, like uh if you get like a typical meal of potatoes and vegetables will have about 5 micrograms of lead. Most adults naturally consume 20 to 80 uh micrograms uh per day through everyday foods and water. So, it's just they're found everywhere. It's found in the soil. You know where the problem came from? Have you guys are famili Are you guys familiar with California's Proposition 65?

65? 65? You've seen it before. It's on everything. It's on every Is that the one that's like in coffee shops? It's like, oh, it's on every bottle of wine. It's on everything. And it's like it's like why is this on everything? Like what's going on? on? on? The problem was that regulators took the lowest level ever associated with harm in humans and then divided it by a thousand creating what they called a safety buffer. In other words, this is the lowest amount that's ever caused problems.

Now, let's reduce it down by a ton. Yeah. ton. Yeah. ton. Yeah. And then that's our new safety limit. In other words, the safe harbor level is 0.5 0.5 0.5 micrograms per billion or whatever per day, which is a thousand times lower than the level shown to cause harm. So, you'll see this everywhere and this is where the problem came from. So like hule is well within what would be considered anywhere near uh what the FDA or anyone else would consider too much lead. It's the prop 65 that's just insane.

insane. insane. You can get anything you almost anything is going to it's going to have Well, I remember when you interviewed uh Dr. Bush um years ago, you remember that interview? interview? interview? I think so. He's the one that talked about even all of our organic foods have it in it and it's because it's in the rain and the rain like so even if you have like So even if you have like this perfect soil, this perfect all these perfect conditions, you're still going to get it from the rain that's coming down that's then in this old soil and it's like it's almost impossible to completely have even true true organic.

So I remember him talking about that years ago. Yeah, they're well well they're very very low in any of these things. It's just they create a lot of confusion. So people were using it as a percentage of prop 65 in which case you could do almost anything. Okay. By the way, uh plants uh and plant products are always going to have higher amounts because they're directly from the soil than animal products. So, like a piece of steak is going to have less of these things than like a potato or a piece of broccoli or something like that.

that. that. So, it's all good. Everybody's good. You can look it up yourself and see how they test. I I I think something that I'd like to share with the audience just so they know kind of where where we're at, where we stand. This happened uh years ago uh when an article came out about I think Organifi think Organifi think Organifi and I think uh you immediately when Sal gets stuff like this, you know, I reach out to the to the company right away to the company what well I'm like let me see the third party testing.

Let me see what's going on. But then when I look deeper I'm like oh this is what they did. Yeah. And so same thing happened with fuel. So I saw the message the text message that came across to Katrina from SA because Katrina manages all the partners like hey uh what is this? We have to get to the bottom of this immediately cuz we'll drop a partnership immediately if it's something that we can't stand behind or it's something that we don't believe in or a problem.

And so um and that's in all of our contracts. So we have the right to do that. We will do that uh if that if something like that were ever to come But just so just so that we know Prop 65 is a their limit is a thousand times lower lower lower than what we've ever seen to cause any harm in human humans. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if something comes up uh two times higher than that standard which is still you know n you know 900 times lower than whatever the human standard it you could put together a chart and say they had 200% of what Prop 65 would say as a mountain.

And it was aluminum right? Is that what it was? it was? it was? I don't remember which ones they were, but uh again, it's um like how much when I I saw Saladino like you like you like you I saw Saladino talking on a podcast the other day about how many micrograms of like aluminum that we get every single time we drink out of a like a a soda can. can. can. That's right. That's right. That's right. Like I don't know how much that is and what that rates on that list as far as like how close does that come to the obviously it's under FDA because there's no way everyone would be able to have those soda cans.

So we're obviously ingesting it in a lot of other things every single day. It's probably the uh accumulation of it that where it gets really dangerous is, you know, if you're doing all these things. No, but he'll he'll third party. You can look it up. You can go on their website. Um and they have a great product. Uh they have a great meal replacement product uh that people love and it's uh non-dairy vegan so a lot of people can digest it well and it tastes good.

I got it when I was driving. This is actually when I was driving with uh Katrina home and uh Mike Matthews sent it to me cuz I think Legion was on the list too. And he was like, "You see this [ __ ] right away?" And then he I said, "You got to break it down for me cuz I'm driving." I said and I I said, "I think S already got it, too." And so he had sent me basically a lot of the stuff that you had sent.

He goes, "It's just it's I" And I So supposedly the person who put the article out too is like some competitor, some other company that's like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So ulterior motive. No, totally. But by the way, you're like if you look at like whey protein is always going to have less have less have less of these things even if everything's even if it's super low in everything because it's not plant-based. Plant-based is typically going to have more of these things. It's right there. Absorb more of the minerals.

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I think it's important to give yourself, you know, people call them diet breaks. I don't necessarily like to to use that term because it implies that you're going to have a cheat meal or go off in the other direction. I think it's important though to have scheduled intentional periods of time where you're breaking the deficit up with uh what we would call eating at maintenance or at a small surplus uh where you increase your calories. And there's a few reasons for this. One, it gives you a mental break.

Okay, I've been intentionally eating in a deficit now for 6 weeks. it would be great to have a week where I'm eating uh more food. Okay. The other is the energy that you get from it. Um the athletic performance or strain gains, whatever you know, type of gains you tend you tend to see from that. It also helps with the uh metabolic adaptation in my experience. I don't have a ton of data to support that. There's some that suggest it, but in my experience, when I've given people breaks like this, uh, I tend to see less of the adaptation where their metabolism, for lack of a better term, slows down.

Uh, so I don't like like straightforward all the way through intentional deficits for that long. long. long. I w I wish we had some good research to support what you're saying because this has been my experience. In fact, I found it so interesting um how common in the bodybuilding space it was to put these uh competitors on these threemonth deficits where they were cutting for 3 months straight, doing cardio like crazy. And I can't tell you how, you know what I what I noticed, S, is uh it seemed to work okay for someone doing it for the first time, but boy, once they got to their second or third show of doing this again, and it's like stopped working.

Yeah. And it's like the only thing that makes sense to me is that the body just kind of figures it out and gets more resilient. It realizes like, oh, this again, you're not going to feed me and you're gonna make me do all this cardio. Like, I'm gonna really hold on and reserve it. just uh and again I don't have anything to to prove that's what's happening. I've just seen it so many times and I've experienced it with clients and this is what led me to like the small the small the small diet breaks or reverse diets, whatever you want to call them, but these shorter bouts of going on these cuts, then giving them a maintenance or a surplus for a week, then going on a cut, then a maintenance, and it was just toggling back and forth.

I just seem to have way better. And that's not just that's not including the psychological. I could see the difference like they we just didn't seem to stall the same way I would stall with clients that I just put on these deficits for long periods of time. And so I don't know exactly what's happening from a physiological point. I do know what's happening from a psychological. It was very obvious uh how many clients and the feedback they would be like, "Oh, it's so nice to I'll just I'll just add that in any other scenario that we can think of where you're applying a stress on the body, it typically reacts better when you give the body a little break uh at at you know periodic times like when it comes to workouts like you could train intensely but at some point it's smart to have like de lo weeks you actually get better performance.

Planned interruption or recovery. Yeah, that's right. So to me like a deficit is a stress on the body. It is right cuz you're you're taking in less uh energy than you're burning. Your body has having to tap into its own energy stores, body fat hopefully. And you got to think that's exacerbated when you're also pushing it in the gym, too. It's not just a calorie cuz a calorie deficit is a stress. And then what do what are people doing when they're in that? They're also increasing activity, lifting in a gym.

And so it's not just that stress. It's you're kind of stressing the body from all different angles. And the and the message you're sending it is, hey, I'm gonna keep pushing this body. I'm also going to feed it less than what it needs, you know, hoping to use these reserves, the fat, but at some point the body's like, okay, we're going to really slow down cuz I don't know how long we can do this for. It's also mentally fatiguing to be in a deficit deficit deficit for that long.

You know, it sucks. Your performance suffers a lot. Yeah. It just just mentally you're just like, "Oh my god, I'm eating this many calories." Wouldn't it be nice that if after 3 weeks you could have like 5 days or 4 days of bumping your calories 400 or 500 maybe setting yourself up at maintenance or maybe a little bit in what you might think is a surplus giving you that mental break cuz what's the what's the challenge with cutting the challenge isn't that you got to lose weight.

That is a challenge. It's not the big challenge. The big challenge is consistency and maintaining it afterwards. That's the big issue cuz everybody gains it back. Yeah. So, I think the way that we need to view losing weight is less about what's the most effective way to lose weight and more about what's the most effective way to keep it off. Keep it off. Cuz that's the big problem. I I will add one one more bit of nuance to this. Uh I also think the context matters too because somebody in a very mild cut for 3 months, different scenario.

Yes. So like let's say I have somebody who's just eating under maintenance. In fact, we're kind of track targeting maintenance or a little less. Totally different. Totally different. In fact, and this this tends to be kind of what we call the Goldilock zone where somebody is just having this beautiful exchange of sometimes they build a little bit of muscle, sometimes they lose a bit because they're hovering very close to maintenance to a deficit sometimes and really trying never to be in a surplus too much, too much, too much, but they're really trying to hover around maintenance most of the time and it sometimes dips.

I often times would accomplish that with clients without even tracking. just have them hit their protein targets, hit only eat when you're hungry, whole foods, the protein kind, it kind of naturally falls in this place. That's sustainable for 3 months. months. months. Oh, that's sustainable forever. It's more sustainable for the for lifestyle, right? What's and and what's happening there so people understand is there's probably periods of time when they're in a little bit of a maintenance or surplus. Then there's other periods of time that they're in a deficit and there's just more of those times they're in a deficit which causes it to be a nice cut and them to lose body fat.

And so that's different. But uh a aggressive cut 500 plus calorie deficits for sure or more every day for 3 months. That's long. long. long. Yep. Yep. Yep. Next question is from Better Mang. What's the best way to program goblet squats and what are they most effective for? Loading is limited, but I hear experts talking about their value all the time. So I'm curious. I typically like because the loading is limited. So, with a golf squat, if you're not familiar, you're holding a dumbbell dumbbell dumbbell in your hands in front of you.

You're putting your elbows underneath and you're doing squats. And typically, I like to do them with heels elevated. So, I'll have someone stand on a slight ramp or have their heels get depth. Yeah. On like 10 on on 10 lb plates. Yes. Loading is limited, right? You get real strong. You can only hold so much uh in your arms. So, I typically save this as the second or third exercise in the leg workout. Heels elevated. real full range of motion like you're going all the way down sitting down coming up and it's great for quads.

I can really emphasize quads uh with a goblet squat with my clients and even myself like I'll get a crazy but it's typically after I do the heavy loaded like back squat type of stuff. That mean yeah from a functional it's it's great for yeah targeting the quads but I mean I kind of would even probably value more of a zer squat as opposed to that you know um just because of the loading is so limited and you can load quite substantially more and I like the centric type of loading where we can keep that load close to the body and you know you can manage that and control that a lot more effectively.

Um, but again like it's I think it's lower on the on the stack when it when you look at the overall like what's going to move the needle the most is probably not one of So interesting. I don't know who who picked this question or not. I did. Okay. So, it's cool you picked this up because I had actually just uh got hit on social media a lot by uh a lot of the experts talking about it. Oh, really? Yeah. And I'll give you the the the the takeaways that I and and I agree with them and I think you guys will too.

one uh goblet squats were a lot of times the first squat that I taught. So people that couldn't barbell back squat. Yeah. You loading isn't an issue at the beginning. beginning. beginning. That's right. So 10 pound dbells. It's it's a natural way you'd load in real life. life. life. It also uh it promotes good posture. That's right. That's right. That's right. So somebody who has never really squatted before a goblet squat is an excellent beginner uh place to start. It also can encourage really good depth.

So and good core strength. So, you have to you you have to activate the core, keep your chest up high, good posture, which is good mechanics for learning how to squat properly. squat properly. squat properly. We're not worried about loading. This person's never really squatted anything. So, holding a 50 lb dumbbell is good load is plenty of load for this person. And so, it does it does it also when you when you hold it, it kind of naturally pushes kind of the the the knees out, which your elbows are in the middle.

That's right. Cuz your elbows are in the middle. So knees caving out is a very or caving in is a very countering that front weight that's pulling you forward. So therefore you can gain more depth your hips. So it's a it's a great beginner squat and and so yeah that makes sense. So this was the the argument that a lot of uh the the experts that were talking that I came across and I agree like I I um I I would argue that I goblet squatted with more people than I backloaded squatting.

backload of squatted squatting took longer for my clients to do. It's a skill takes a while to teach, sometimes months. sometimes months. sometimes months. That's right. My my average client was a middle-aged to advanced age, uh, female client who had never really lifted weights. And so, uh, we I did not take that client to a barbell back squat in our first month of training. We goblet squatted for a while. And goblet squatting got them in a really good position. So, that's where you're getting a lot of the what makes it so amazing.

Now, if you've been if you can barbell back squat, to Justin's point, this is like this is where and this is why I think you guys took that angle is like it doesn't come close to a barbell or even a front. No, for me, I would say those goals. Yeah. What they're trying to achieve. It doesn't in the ranking of barbell back squat, barbell front squat, maybe even the It doesn't lunges. Yeah. It just doesn't it doesn't it doesn't hit that. But, uh deconditioned client who's never squatted before.

Awesome. Well, I'll tell you when I've goblet squatted, it was at the end of my leg workout when I'm already fatigued. I'm looking for a pump. So, I I pump the quads that way. So, I love at the end of my workout, I've already done heavy barbell, back squat, maybe lunges or Bulgarians, and I want to just get a massive pump on my quads, elevate my heels, grab an 80 lb dumbbell, and pump them out AM ramp style or high rep and just blow my quads out.

So, out. So, out. So, next question is from Gabriel 992319. If each one of you guys could pick one peptide and the rest disappear, what would it be and why? Yeah. So, let's talk about our experiences. Okay. And um you know, maybe I'll maybe because I have taken the most peptides. I'll start first. I feel I feel like there's one of us way more qualified to see. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I've used I've used every single one I could get my hands on. hands on.

hands on. But you only get one. All the rest have to disappear. I'll talk about some of the ones that made the biggest impact. Let me Let me Let me Yeah, but you got to give me and I will pick one. But the ones that have made the biggest impact where I'm like, whoa, I could tell tell tell I'm taking something. I feel like you're going to steal Justin eyes if you do this. All right. I I'll Well, listen. Give me give me your one. Make a case for it and then we'll all give our one and then you can come back around and tell.

Otherwise, you're going to steal our thunder. our thunder. our thunder. Yeah. I'll look I'll pick I'll pick one that you guys haven't taken. I know. Sure. Sure. Sure. Okay. Okay. Okay. Are they all going to disappear? Is that's the one you're keeping? Well, I'm going to put in a category going to I'm going to put in a category of like you want to gain size. Like you want muscle size. Part of it is because it makes you hungry. Part of it is because it makes your muscle you hold water.

But your muscles feel a bit more. Oh, I've taken that. Oh, you have. Oh, yeah. For gain. That made me I I will I will put on seven pounds. seven pounds. seven pounds. Sleep really good. That was a radical muscle building. But it made me the for muscle building. Impact. Okay. Impact. Okay. Impact. Okay. For muscle building. Muscle building for for like energy. Matzi blows me away. I did Monty and I was like, "Oh my god, I feel him out." I know this. He's still going to steal his thunder.

He can't help himself. They're good. It's good. It's good. You don't get to sell all of them. You only get only get only get 100% in on Dexa. So, that would be mine. So, yours is Dexa. You noticed that one a lot. a lot. a lot. Wow. Interesting. You guys went these directions. directions. directions. Like not even close like all the other CAX like you know somewhat. But um even any neutropic I've ever taken, any kind of like vitamin or brain vitam anything anybody's ever promoted has not even touched it.

Like like Dexa has been one of those things it's like whoa that's wild cuz wild cuz wild cuz when you notice it does it take a day or two or two or two or it takes about a day or two. Yeah. And then if I'm because I'll it's weird because I like try and save it, you know, like I gota like it's like that limitless pill for you for you for you drop it when I have the most impact, you know. So, uh before recording I I'll make sure and like do a day before and then start the sequence of that and then I'll kind of taper off the rest of the week.

Uh but yeah, like I I could and I've messed with like higher amounts and then it's it's too much. I get like a headache and so you know there's this like sweet spot but yeah it's like I'll start noticing that I could recall something and I just oh yeah this and then it's like more fluid in conversation with anybody. I'll just think of a reference and boom I never have access to that and it's so frustrating. And so now it's like wow one thing that's actually helped at least somewhat.

It's not like there's potential for me like like huge potential to be able to remember things like I I I still have a really hard time. time. time. Man, I am so fascinated that you both went that direction. I would totally not Well, I'm saving the other one. Well, I know I have I have more, but that's just the one that impact me the most. most. most. Well, yeah. No, if I had to like pick one, it has to be one one over another for me.

That's it. It has to either be a GLP one or it has to be PPC. It has to be one of those two. PC because a common one just because uh and less of my personal self because I could give two shits about a GLP1. I just know the impact of it. Like if I only get one peptide and the rest of the disappeared. I think of that peptide as argu GLP-1 would have helped so many of my clients that I had. Oh my god. If I use that as a tool with my with my Yeah.

Are you kidding me? Life changing for that. And the other one is injuries is just I mean BBC cuts the injury time recovery time in half. Yeah, like literally 50%. And so when I think of the things that I dealt with as a trainer with clients, uh, obesity, diet issues for sure, top, and then second would be nagging pain and injury. I just I just started one I've never done before um with our partners at mpormones.com. And they recommended five amino. It's in capsule form and it it uh it brings down an enzyme that degrades NAD.

So you actually get NAD through a different pathway and it it definitely elevates NAD. So you could take NAD to try to get more NAD or you can just get your body to to to break down less of it and have more of it. And five amino 1MQ uh is pretty effective at it. So they they recommended it to me. I'm like sure I've never tried it before. Let's go. I can tell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I can tell it's the most I can tell of all the energy producing.

Yes. Like a Matzi did that for me as I like most certain five amino is a capsule and I'm I'll do like 100 milligrams or 150 milligs. You could do as little as 50 milligs and for sure I could tell sleep deprived. I could tell when I'm like feel good. I could tell I'm when with NAD just in general I'm kind of meh about it unless you're like sleepd deprived really bad, right? So like like I just flew from Florida type of deal, right? I'm all jetlagged or coming off a serious flu or sickness like that or like when I recovered from the cratom thing, man.

Holy cow. Like I felt a huge difference. Other times I'm like, "Yeah, do I feel better?" I don't know. It's hard to tell. But if you're depleted or you you're down, holy smokes, you feel the difference. Now I I'm going to report back on. So our again, our partners at MP Hormones have something called the CL stack. Kin one. It's BPC. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's uh TB500. It's KPV. It's KPV. It's KPV. Uh and I can't remember. Look GHK. GHK. GHK. So, and all of them are synergistic.

All of them help with repair. All of them. And and what people like it for skin, but it's great for skin, hair, nails. It's great for ligaments. It's great for injuries, inflammation. It's good for gut health. But people love it for skin. My wife's been on it for I I'll I'll report back. She's only been on it for like 5 days. So, you know, that's we're giving that to her. Well, she did look 43 years younger than you in the post you just see that. Hey, you know why I did that?

You know why I did that? So, I I did that because we were at a wedding and somebody thought it was your daughter. No, no, no, but not again. By the way, that doesn't offend me at all. I can't wait your wife. your wife. your wife. People are like say, "Oh, sorry. I'm sorry." sorry." sorry." That was like when those That was like when those people were talking about Katrina behind my back. You say like, "Of course, Adam would date some young." We were talking and we were with this and we were with this couple and then one of them I don't remember she said something about you know her birthday.

I don't remember what it was and they're like what I thought you were like 30 you were like I thought you were like 30 and she's like no you cuz my wife's 39. No no no we did. No you didn't. She never believes anybody. So I'm like watch I'm going to ask people on Instagram or age difference. The average person on there said 15 year age difference. There's an eight years age difference everybody. difference everybody. difference everybody. Well it doesn't help that you look 70. That was the angle I was when I said 43.

I was going with that angle. I was like, "Well, he looks like 75 here. She looks like she's like she's like she's All right. Hey, back to the peptide thing. I will uh very carefully talk about some of the not so um you know, like some of the gray market I've tradeed gray market peptides as well. So, I will say that there's one uh called LGR. I can't remember the rest of it. It's like a weird name. It's a long acting form of folstatin. I don't recommend you go get it.

You can make you do your own decisions or whatever, but that stuff works for sure, but it's not something you would get from an FDA regulated compound pharmacy. This is if you want to be stupid. I want to play game. I went on a rant with Shelene Johnson on all of it. I just kind of like I poo pooed a lot a lot of it. There's certain certain things like BPC I said and a GLP1 for the right person. But I think for a majority of people, and I think you're an exception to the rule, too, because I mean I I haven't seen you miss a meal in [ __ ] 11 years.

And so, uh, you know, like the average person who can't who can't keep their diet in check for freaking 3 weeks and you can't exercise more than 60 days in a row. It's like taking all these different random peptides. random peptides. random peptides. My brother My brother's that guy. He sent an ad for a mushroom like drink. He's like, should I take this? Like, bro, you're putting a spoiler on a 95. Exactly. That's exactly workout. That's exactly how I communicated to just like everybody's asking about, oh, what's the best for this?

It's like, dude, go eat right for a month. month. month. Go train cuz of So, you know, to my point about you, like to me, it's fair. Like, and so anybody who who doesn't know, like S doesn't miss a workout, doesn't miss a meal, and has done that for the 11 years I've been around him. And so yeah, makes sense that you would you would toy around with all these other next layer of stuff for the rest of us like get your [ __ ] together everywhere else and then it makes sense to do that stuff.

Next question is from Joe PAC. Favorite moment when playing sports for Adam and Justin. It'd be nice to have S take the back seat for a question. You you picked this. I did. Look at you. You just wanted a break. I'm tired. I'm tired. I'm tired. It's time for my my meal. No, I want I want I want I'm actually curious. Uh I read this. I'm like I I don't think I've ever heard you guys personal stories or while playing sport. No, it's while playing sport.

Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. Yeah. Like what's your I I don't think I know from you guys. I know from Justin when you did the the reunion game. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. But I don't know if that's your favorite moment. moment. moment. No. That was like Yeah. Way later on. It was like recreating my favorite moments, you know, with my buddies. And it really was football was probably the most impactful sport because uh it was just so much training and everything leading up into these and you only get certain amount of games.

Uh so they mean more you know and it's like um the overall for me to play with like a big team and like dominate other teams was like such a good feeling. I think um the most impactful one was actually when we lost though. Uh which is ironic, but it's we played we we had a season where we were just undefeated and we were just dominating almost everybody. Was this high school or college? High school. High school. High school. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um Um Um yeah, I'm going to go back to the Uncle Rico.

Um Rico. Um Rico. Um are you a senior here or a junior? Don't worry, I have I have more I have a way more pathetic story than Yeah. This is senior year. Um, and so I mean there's a lot of story. I'll try and condense this so it's not so ridiculous, but um, we had a pretty traumatic like so junior year, um, one of our players um, he was part of a car crash and died in this like accident and and it was all drunk driving related and all this stuff.

And so we actually like decided collectively like nobody's going to drink cuz like we were all just like so dialed in training and like we were all at each other's houses. We had we shared dinners with each other and it was like this like total synergy you'd never get and I I I didn't realize you I never got it again, you know, in sport. Uh, and so it was just like one of those kind of magical seasons and we just kind of came out of the gates just fighting everybody and just destroying people and it was like all the speculation of like where we could go.

Uh, we got a lot of press like the whole community was just like following us around all over the state of California like playing all these games and we were just trying to we were trying to call out like the biggest schools and and play and we ended up like making it all the way to the end. we played um in this championship game uh for division one and it was against Palma and Palma was um just as talented. we were literally like the perfect match with them and we didn't know how good they were uh because we were just destroying everybody and like we finally kind of met our match and so we're out there and we're fighting and we we they had a completely different type of offense like um they ran like the fly sweep and they they ran a lot of like this misdirection stuff and so I wasn't able to play in my normal position.

and I was like outside linebacker and I used to just you know take quarterbacks out and like just that was my job and and um I was like basically a lineman at that point and so it was like I was playing different position everybody was kind of switched around and so it was kind of disoriented but we played really well. We were down, we were back up, we were down. The game kind of went back and forth like crazy. We we got to the point where we were down I think it was like two touchdowns and uh we threw this bomb uh to to our receiver Orion and he he just broke away and like score and we're like going crazy.

We go kick off. We kick off like an onside kick. We recover. Oh god. We go down. We get back. We score. We're ahead. ahead. ahead. Oh. Okay. Oh. Okay. Oh. Okay. We're ahead by like you know two points or something. And so they get the ball back. We kick it off as far deep as we can. They get to like the 10 yard line or so. Uh again, this is like where we all have this like, you know, regret kind of like with the coaching and this and that and the other like what we could have done better.

Like it was the whole prevent defense and and so we're kind of backing off and we're like we don't want to let them uh you know easily throw the bomb because they're going to go for the end zone because they have to score. Um, and so I think it was like four points, so it was like it wasn't like they could kick a field goal to tie it. So, um, and so they're going down the field and they're just chipping away. Boom. Get it out of bounds.

You know, the same time it's like you get down to the point they were at the 50 yard line, I believe. And so the quarterback, I'm running in like 100% effort. Tackle the quarterback. Cuz at this point, I was like, "Coach, just let me go." Like he was like, "Everybody's backing off." I'm like, I'm I'm blitzing. I'm going. And so I just went hit the quarterback. He throws like just a prayer in the end zone. Our uh our cornerback grabs it in the end zone. The air, catches it.

Their uh receiver rips it out of his hands midair. Lands. Touchdown. Score. They win the game. Done. And we're just left there like, "What just happened?" We just like literally came back and we were fighting and our crowd's going crazy and we're just have all this momentum and we're going to win. This is the championship and then just gone. Everything gone. Uh, but it was like one of those kind of t-shirt games where it's like everybody's like everybody remembers it. Everybody knows who's part of it, who's who [ __ ] up, you know, we're like looking at the film, you know, like it's just to this day it's like if I go to like one of these bars like where I grew up, it's like they'll still you'll hear people talking about it.

No way. I swear to God. Swear to God. You'll see pictures and stuff like people. Yeah, it was like there there there I could show you, dude. It's embarrassing, but it's it but it cuz it was such like a local like event like everybody was all bought in. So So So you guys lost cuz you blitzed. So it's ALL YOUR FAULT? NO. NO. NO. NO, THIS IS not split second. I was going to hit with some like great like oh he fumbled the ball. We picked it.

No, he lost. Oh my god. No. I mean, I made a lot of plays in that game and like I got, you know, a bunch of tackles, but it was like, bro, I'm excited just hearing it right now. now. now. That's just so memorable because it was like the the hardest fought game I've ever been in and we still didn't win, you know. Yeah. Still a good story though. though. though. But yeah, it was like just to be a part of that was like magical, you know.

It's funny that you you, me, Katrina, we all have similar stuff in I didn't play the only winning team that I played for that we went to a championship was in eighth grade. And the coolest story that I have was the game before the championship game. I scored three goals coming back from being down to put us over and to win. And that was soccer. Yeah, soccer. And then eighth grade. So that's like the best like best like best like Well, tell the story, man. You made it boring just now.

Three goals. I mean, anything cool happened. I mean, we were down two I mean, we were down two goals. I scored the three goals in a row to win. So that was like a that was so for me that's like was a highlight in sports for me. But I played for a lot of losing teams. So when we were like in high school, like I got we got our asses kicked. I rode the bench a lot of the time. So like I don't have a lot of really cool stories that I got to experience.

In fact, I think that's what built a lot of character in me is like having to work so hard and losing. And so be like going through it sucked. Being an adult later on like Katrina and I talk about this all the time. Katrina like even her whole experience, you know, she went D1 and played on a team that lost every game game game and she came from a high school that went undefeated. So she she used to tell me that so in D1 she'd come home she go I cried every day after playing cuz I come from being this dominant high school team to going to a D1 school my dream and then losing every single game.

She goes it broke my she goes I cried every single game afterwards like that. You know, my best like sports experiences is is so Uncle Rico and sad to say was as playing wreck ball in my 20s because in my 20s my best friend who I went to high school with and played basketball with moved in with me and we played wreck ball together in our 20s and the one of the funnest times I ever had and we went to we won some like wreck ball tournaments which I don't really count that get a medal but but ex exactly like super don't get that.

I was like super lame, you know, it's more bragging rights, but playing ball with somebody and Justin's probably experienced this. Playing ball with someone you've played ball with most of your life your life your life uh is so fun because it's you have this other sense with him like I I don't like I knew where he was on the court and so getting to play as like young adults in these like wreck ball leagues with a guy that I've been playing basketball with for 10 plus years.

There's all kinds of great plays and moments that happen within the games that I can still like recall, you know, like these like no look passes and things like no way how you saw him there. But man, I never I I played for a lot of bad losing teams and and rode the bench when I was in high school. My freshman year, I was a uh I was a star player because I played for a division 4 high school. It was a small school and so I dominated.

I was a leading scoreer, led in steals, didn't we didn't have any we didn't go to the championship or anything like that, but I had a great season. And then the next year I get transferred to a bigger school where I end up I know nobody. I'm behind who becomes my best friend. My point guard is I'm playing point guard behind another guy. So I rode the pine and didn't play a lot. And so went from being this great star player to being a bench rider.

And so like I don't have like really good sports stories of a cool moment or idea. Dang, I have more. I just like I'm holding back. holding back. holding back. Oh, I want to hear another one. Yeah, you probably have way better, bro. That was They psych me up, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, your autograph. Oh, no. There's Especially like it's funny like the the Rex stuff was was was huge because it was like like you said like you grew up and you all played on the same teams like most of the guys that were like my best friends, we played like every sport.

So it wasn't just like, you know, football, it was like baseball, it was you know football, it was rugby, it was Yeah. We we played like all these things together like my same kind of crew and we played like a um a threeon three tourn remember those like threeon three like basketball tournament tournament tournament and um this is where it is the one up or what was it called? Yeah. And one And one And one and one. Yeah. Yeah. And so we're in San Jose and and we're we're playing and um you know we're we're like three dorky white guys, you know, and like there's just like there's there's there's anyway we were getting dominated by by like a lot of players there that were just dunking and just like throwing whatever up and they're just making everything.

We're I bring that up because you look at us and we stood out and we're like, you know, playing like uh wooden basketball where you're like throwing up bank shots and we're doing like bounce passes to each other. We're all fundamentals fundamental basketball. And so it was like we're kind of laughing about it, but uh cuz they were just like, you know, talking so much trash to us and like, you know, trying to like kick us off the court and like so we lost our first game, which was like one of those things.

It was like they just were just totally like um messing with us the whole time. The crowd was just like making fun of us, you know, and and so and we rallied back cuz you get like one loss and then you kind of get in the loser bracket, you make your way back up and so we end up winning and then we won again and then we won again and we were just like dude fundamental basketball, we're coming back and we we made it all the way to the end.

So we win like you know the consolation prize and the and like the loser bracket but it was like we played the same team that beat us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh in the beginning and we smashed them during time. So anyway it was like one of those things. It was fun because it was um there was I really enjoy when people like they throw all this venom at you before they even know what you're capable of. Uh and I've experienced that so many times. That's my favorite part about sport is like like they underestimate underestimate underestimate up or shut up.

Yeah. And we and then there's other football games where people like my favorite thing was when people would throw stuff at us when we're just waiting to get on the field and like just the venom and and vitriol and like you guys suck and [ __ ] like they're just like you know really like territorial. I'm going to kill you like oh my god yes. I was like, "Yeah, more." You know, and we we would feed. We were like one of the only teams that like fed off of that energy.

And we came out and just I remember I had like the best game I've ever had in football where I was like I had like four sacks. I had like two interceptions and we just like we came back and it was it was one of those where we we were on the bus and we're just like singing cuz everybody was just throwing stuff at us. They hated us. And we're flipping them off and then Well, I can't tell the rest of the part. I'll tell you guys off.

Best part of getting Justin going. You know, you started talking about these stories. There's stories that Justin and I experienced together that a long time ago we shared on the podcast when we played the 49ers and that was crazy. We shut the gym down and Justin was a personal trainer and I was running the Santa Teresa Club and that was crazy, right? right? right? You got a bunch of bunch of 280 lb dudes. dudes. dudes. Yeah. Simo Samoan lineman that was Isaac Sappawaga was playing for them.

Manny Peterson was playing for them. I covered Isaac. Yeah. And and to see these NFL players who you could tell by the way they dribble the ball and play that they weren't like basketball players at all, but they the athleticism was just insane. And we just got destroyed and we were all like ex basketball players. And so that was really fascinating to do that. Some you talk about people talking [ __ ] before and stuff like that. Like some of my favorite memories uh were with Katrina where we would go down and play this is, you know, we go play pickupball and we go down to like 24-hour fitness on a Saturday when all the gamers are playing in there and we have the girl on our team and so everybody does, you know, this is like s I mean on Saturday down at like 24 is like when all the college players are down there and stuff like that and so you know they'd see Katrina and then like automatically they pair up the worst guy that they have on the girl and then it would be the like within like three, four points after she stole the ball twice or blocked his ass, they'd have to switch the dude on a different guy on her cuz she was just schooling some guy.

And so yeah, those were like great memories going to marry her. Yeah. Yeah. No, so we have like I have like all these like Uncle Rico stories like that that were great, but I never got to play on a good a good competitor. I got one story, but it's not about me cuz I I didn't play lots of sport. I did judo jiu-jitsu, but nothing crazy. But yeah, but you had to have a cool like to get to a purple belt. You had a good win.

win. win. Wow. I had a I I've got a couple stories, but one that stands out to me is with my dad. So my dad when I was a kid, I was 12. I was doing judo. We did it over San Jose Buddhist judo club. So the oldest judo clubs uh in America. It's in uh Japan Town, downtown San Jose. And I was 12. My cousin was 12. My brother was there. He was a little guy. He did it. And my dad, he did judo as a as a kid um in Sicily.

And he stopped forever cuz he was working to support his family. Finds a judo school. Signs us up. And so he signs himself up. So then we sign up for a big tournament and it was one of the bigger tournaments uh around here. And my dad says, "I'm going to compete too." So the kids typically go first. So we do our thing. Then the adults go and my dad at the time he probably weighed 185 lbs. Not a huge guy, not a small guy, not a huge guy, 5'9 or whatever.

And I don't know, I don't remember exactly how this happened, but they put him in a uh like a pool with much with much bigger guys. And so my dad's first match, he throws, the guy wins. The second guy he went against was this dude. As a kid, I don't I would love to see this guy now as an adult, but as a kid, he was very scary. He was He looked jacked. So as a kid, I don't know how jacked he is, but to a 12-year-old, my cousin and I were like, "Oh no, your dad's going against that guy." So he was definitely bigger than my dad.

Dreadlocks, like big dude. He had this camo ghee on before warming up, which is funny because you're not supposed to wear that for judo, but he had this and he took that ghee off and he was like just jacked. In his first match, he hurt the guy like really bad. The guy hit the ground super bad, whatever. So, I go up to my dad. It's like a Blood Sport movie. It does remind me of that. Well, judo judo is uh it's karate. It's like it's like wrestling like and in judo you win by throwing someone.

So, it's not like point fighting like you're blasting somebody. you're it's very explosive, very uh contact. So, we go up to my dad, my cousin and I and my uncle go up to my dad. So, my uncle's a full grown man to convince my dad to not do the match cuz I'm like cuz I I mean my cousin and I were like I almost was ready to cry. I'm like my dad's going to get hurt. What are we going to do? I tell my uncle my uncle's like it's probably a good idea cuz he has a job.

He's got a supportive. So, we go to my dad and we try to convince him like hey don't do it. And I'm like begging him. I'm like please don't do this. He's like say he's he's going to hurt you. please don't do this. And my dad's like, he's just a man. He's just a man. I'm a man. He's a man. If he beats me, it's okay. It's not a big deal. Yeah, but you're going to get hurt. He's like, it's it's going to be okay. I'm going to be okay.

So, we're on the sidelines watching my dad go up there. And I'm like terrified. I'm like really scared. My uncle's scared. My my mom at the time, she can't watch. She couldn't watch our matches either, to be fair. She couldn't watch anybody's matches. So, my dad goes against this guy. My dad throws him, but it's not a full throw, so you don't get a full point. So, you have to keep going on the ground. My dad holds him down in a pin. So, you can pin someone in judo.

You have to hold him for 30 seconds, though. And he holds this guy and he's got he's he does a side what's called a side pin. And he's got his chin on the guy's chest, a head and arm in one side in between the legs, the other side. And it looked like my it looked like the guy my dad took uh this guy and drilled him to the floor. He wasn't moving. There was no movement. He was just on the ground. Like I don't know how my dad My dad's very strong.

He's got good technique, but this dude was just pinned. And he starts yelling, but he ain't going anywhere. My dad just holding him. And then they throw they throw a bean bag the floor and he win. And I was like the most hero moment of my life to see my dad win this match. Especially at that age, 12 years old. Like at that moment, like it's Oh, he was you kidding me? Superman. Oh yeah, dude. I looked at my dad and I was like, like, like, he's like, I told you I it he's like, I told you I it would be okay.

But he was scared. We were all scared, you know, after that great story. Such a great such a great moment. All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. shredded, ripped, defined singledigit body fat. body fat. body fat. Yes. Yes. Yes. You want to get there? Let's talk about it. it. it. Difficult. And is it worth it? That's a follow-up question. follow-up question. follow-up question. Yeah. First off, we got to say, okay, so singledigit body fat obviously body fat percentages uh that could be represented by one digit like 3%, 5%, 6%, 9%.

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