The 5-Minute Tapping Reset to Stop Overthinking | Nick Ortner

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Then every once in a while, you have the best in the world at what they do on your show. And that's why I wanted specifically him on here today. So my guest is Nick Ortner. He has a book out called Rewired, The Breakthrough Tapping Method to Stop Overthinking. And it actually does even more than just overthinking, which we're going to talk about today. So Nick Ortner, finally, welcome to the show. Ed, thank you so much for having me on. I am so delighted to share this with you, especially because, like you said, I feel like it's, I mean, I've spent 20 years sharing this with the world now and people see it and it's like, oh yeah, it's a little stress relief technique or something like that, a little wellness thing. But it's not. It's a complete game changer for every aspect of your life and that's what we're going to get into today. Yeah, what we're actually going to do, guys, we're going to throw you in in the middle of the interview here. We're going to show you an actual session with somebody and you're going to listen to it. If you're listening, you're going to be able to watch it as well and you'll see exactly how it works. You may not see all of the results, but you're going to see a little bit how it works. Let's step back because you're exactly right. People go, oh, it's cute. But I know people who can, I know people that have had PTSD. I know war fighters. I know people that lived in chronic stress. I know chronic warriors who go, this changed my entire life. What is tapping, first of all? Give us a baseline explanation. Yeah, perfect. So tapping, we call it tapping because we are literally, and if you're watching me on YouTube, you can see me if you're listening, I am physically tapping on these endpoints of meridians, on these mechanoreceptors of our skin. So when I do this, I mean, it seems simple. It looks ridiculous. It's weird. I'm actually sending an electrical signal to my brain and it's, you know, we don't think of it this way, right? It's like, wait, what's happening? This is, we are making electrical contact. This is creating a signal right now to the brain. And when we do that, while we're focused on the stress, the anxiety, the overthinking, whatever is running and looping through our minds again and again, we send a calming signal to the brain. Now, what happens is, you know, you've got something that's activating you. You're angry about something. You're worried about an upcoming event. What's happening in your brain? Your brain is opening up that feeling, that thought, that memory. You're worried about something in the past. You keep thinking about something in the past. It keeps looping over and over again. We open up that memory. We get into that state. We do the tapping. We send this counteractive signal. So it's kind of like, okay, we're open. Here we go. I'm angry. I'm upset. I'm overwhelmed. And now the tapping says, this is safety. This is really what it's doing to the brain and the body. So the safety signal then overwhelms the overthinking, the anger, the memory that gets stuck, and then it gets re-saved with that safety signal. This is why people go, I've been in therapy for 20 years, and this is not downplaying therapy. It's important. It's fabulous therapists out there. We should do this. But people who struggle go, I've been in therapy for 20 years. I've been talking about the same thing over and over again, right? Like complaining about mom or childhood. I'm bringing up that memory, but now I'm adding all this negative stuff around it. If I don't resolve it in some way, if I don't send something else that's different to that signal, then I re-save it. So you go in therapy, you feel good for an hour, then you walk out and you've just re-saved it with that same signal. This is why someone who has PTSD for 20 years brings up the memory, does the tapping, and they go, I don't know what happened, but that thing that was holding me, that thing that I couldn't let go of is just far away. Oftentimes people talk about it as like it's in the distance or, you know, they'll look around like, well, what just happened? Because I don't care anymore. Like something shifted. It's why people have been in pain, chronic pain for 20 years, and you go, you know, this pain signal happening again and again and again, it gets wired in the brain with tapping. We can bring it up and sometimes it's magical and it's like five minutes and the pain's gone and sometimes it takes 30 sessions. But there's the opportunity to change how our brain acts and reacts in that moment. So everybody, when you're listening to Nick, so I mean, you may go, well, I don't have PTSD. Do you have stressful moments? Are you feeling any physical pain? Do you have a chronic pattern of thought that doesn't seem to be interrupted? Would you like to be able to change your state and just find bliss or peace or passion or ecstasy or calm in different moments? Then listen. Okay, lean in. Or even your peak performance state, to sum it up. So let me ask you a question. I know the answer because I'm familiar with your work, but I'm going to ask questions if I didn't. Is what's happening that just this tapping is some sort of pattern interrupt? Or is it a biological neurological change that's happening based on location and pattern of the tapping? Yeah, great question. Because a lot of people say, oh, you're just distracting yourself from it. So that's why it's okay for a little bit. Well, we've actually done some trials that show that sham tapping. So tapping on the wrong point. So right now I'm tapping on my cheek. This is not a point. This is a point. These are points where that electrical conductivity is sharper. So I say something very quickly because there's audio listeners. By the way, he only moved his finger, I'd say a quarter of an inch. So the difference between being strategic in the location and incorrect in the location means everything. It's why you need to learn. Keep going. Yeah. So we've done these studies and showing that when we do sham tapping, it's not like you can just pattern interrupt and go, oh, clap your hands while you're thinking about a stressful thought. And now it scared the stressful thought out and it didn't happen again. No, there's a specific procedure here where it is sending, you know, this biochemical change through this pathway. And that's why it's so powerful. It goes beyond just a pattern interrupt. And there's also the layers of it. And we'll get to it as we look at how the session works. Yes, you have the physical component. You also have the process, which is different than a lot of other things where you might say, okay, let's think positive now, right? No negative thoughts. I've got a big game coming up. I've got a big meeting coming up. I only want to think positive. Well, that's great if you can actually do it. What most people do is they go, okay, happy thoughts, positive thoughts. And like our mutual friend Tony Robbins says, you can't look at a garden and say there are no weeds. There are no weeds, right? You've got to go pull up the weeds. That's what we're doing here. We often start with, even though I'm angry, even though I'm scared, even though I don't know if I can do this, we give voice to the truth of what we're feeling. We don't push it down. We don't deny it right off the bat. We give voice to it. We send that tapping counteractive signal. We go through the process and then you get to the point where you go, I said it and I felt it, right? The difference between being like, no, this is the truth. Yes, I am confident. Like I feel this deep in my body as opposed to I'm pretending I'm confident I am forcing my way through it. And, you know, you talked about peak performance and one of the things that I love about tapping and especially for high performers is that a lot of people think that they have to just struggle and fight their way through everything, right? That it's just like everything has to be this battle that they have to overcome. Now, this doesn't mean there's never an edge that you push through, but it does mean, hey, if you're scared of public speaking instead of vomiting before you speak, right? How about you just get some butterflies? Can we take the vomiting away and just have some butterflies and go, okay, yeah, this happened, calm me down and still a little nervous, but I can go do it. Yeah. Because by the way, a lot of you ask me, you know, often I get asked like, hey, when you're working with, let's just take even professional athletes that I work with, depending upon the sport, you know, what are you do with them? And a lot of it is stuff that I do with visualization and cognitive rehearsal or breathing techniques. But when I get to a place where that ends and it's not as effective, I've turned them on to Nick's work now because I'm not qualified to teach. But I can tell you that far more people that are performing at a high level utilize this technology than you're aware of, either to perform at a higher level or actually to finally have some bliss and joy in their life. So I want to stay on this. One thing we've talked about lately, the last year or two on the show is the difference between, you know, these two states of their sympathetic and parasympathetic states. So without getting into a lot of that, if someone's not familiar with that work or content, is that also what this could be triggering? Can you literally tap into something that the vagus nerve is typically responsible for and change your internal state? A hundred percent. I mean, we're affecting the vagus nerve immediately through multiple pathways, you know, through the tapping itself. I have got a couple of different HRV sensors. And, you know, when I put them on, I clip one to my ear. It's crazy because I'll look at it. You know, I can you know, I know how to do it with breathing, right? I can raise my HRV with breathing. I start tapping on the side of my hand just like this. And the HRV spikes like it's incredible, so fast. So we're bringing in that physical component that's going to spike HRV. And then we're down regulating our system. We're breathing as we do it. We're, you know, acknowledging how we feel. We're releasing emotions. We're releasing tension in our body. You know, people yawn all the time. I joke that I'm the only public speaker that when I look out in the audience of thousands, everyone's yawning and I'm OK with it. I'm like, all right, I know you're not bored. You're just relaxing. People like I'm sleepy. I'm like, that's because you're tired, you know, and you've been running so fast and your body just finally took a breath. Well, that's great because I'm familiar with making people yawn, too, but I'm actually not trying to do it. Let's do this, everybody. Let's just go into a session so you can listen or watch to an actual session with a real-life human being and see the practical application of this technology. This episode is sponsored by Rho. A lot of people assume GLP-1's cost a fortune, and that assumption keeps them from even looking into treatment. But the reality is GLP-1 medications may be more affordable and accessible than people realize. 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Unbelievable family guy a great friend too, but he's also a multiple multiple multiple nine-figure net worth entrepreneur He's got a big family. He's got a big company multiple businesses actually inside that same company and Like anybody that does that he's also for the record done so much work on himself that you know There's very few new things that can be an introduction to help someone like Thomas With just going to the next level and for him. He's got a lot going which is so like I've said Overwhelm is a legit thing for almost everybody that I know that's leading people so Thomas tell me how you know that you are in sympathetic mode that Something like you're recognizing something about yourself your body your mind how you're feeling And then you're also recognizing that you want that to change in some way So tell me how you know that you're in that state that you don't want to be in That's a great question I'm in a loop You know of the negative thoughts of all the things I need to do or haven't done and usually it's the things that I haven't Done or the people that I haven't supported or helped in that scenario whether it's a business mostly It's a business stuff, and I'm working 16 or 17 hours a day these days, so I would know by Just being in this loop of I haven't done enough. Oh my goodness. There's more to do. I haven't helped this person specifically That's how I think about it, and why does that feel bad? Why is that different than you know because we're gonna do tapping today and your responsibilities aren't going to change And your demands aren't going to change and the external world isn't going to change But what do you want to change internally about what you're going through and what you're feeling I want to show up in those moments In my definition of intelligence is to show up as the right person at the right time right and I want to show up In a much better state and a much better level of intelligence of either coach supporter Versus it turns to disciplinarian and tell me how you know in your body physically like what do you feel when that? Loop is running when you're you you know you're shifting into that Disciplinarian mode that you don't want to be in like how does that feel in your body? Well, it's definitely an elevated heart rate, but you know it's just tension in my upper chest and It's just frustration and that frustration is felt just with Just being tense in my body stands attention great and that mental loop give me a little more specific on the thoughts that you think and And when you use the word loop usually loop is like okay? It's one thing to think a thought and move in a direction great. I've made this decision I'm going here a loop is generally like here We go again and again, and we're not moving forward in some way is that how it shows up for you? Absolutely, that's a huge standard for me is I hate going backwards. I hate making you know that we didn't progress it's just not having dealt with the things that I know I can and should have dealt with and Or leverage other people to go do it with me and for me That's very helpful, and then just to get extra clarity that we're to do tapping so all of that happens And it feels bad to you why why don't you like the way your brain is currently operating the feeling? I have is is that's a definition of lack of success and I think you know going to some of Tony's work my primary question has always been is happening to my standard and so it's a It's a mismatch between the expectations that I have set for myself Mmm, so now you got a little self-critical Talk woven in to all of this Absolutely, okay, and how strong would you say we brought up a lot of things? You know zero to ten scale if you can define and either an element of the loop or you know you felt some physical Tension like where is it right now zero to ten scale? Well I'd say it's probably a nine and this is one of the reasons in my prep work with that This is why I shared it with him. I would say it's a nine Let's just do some tapping and we'll just watch it unfold so I'll take you through the process the first time through you'll be figuring Out where the points are and what we're doing. It's all good. Just follow along with me We always start by tapping on the side of the hands called the karate chop point and whatever hand feels comfortable for you And then I'm gonna say some statements. You can either repeat after me out loud or in your mind, whatever feels comfortable for you So we'll get started Even though I'm holding on to all this stress I choose to relax now Even though my body's totally overwhelmed There's so much going on There's so much going on I choose to feel safe in this moment We're gonna do that one more time even though I have so much going on and my mind and body are overwhelmed choose to relax now I Choose to relax now We'll tap through the points The first point is the eyebrow point inside of the eyebrow right where the hair ends and it meets the nose You can do two fingers of one hand the other hand or both sides. That's perfect and Just tap gently and think about everything that's going on we set the table for it all and All we're doing here is bringing it up. This is actually a moment to acknowledge these thoughts these feelings Can even tune into that morning meditation and that feeling that came up What was that about just thinking about it? being present to it and We move to the side of the eye right next to the eye on the bone a little further in it's not at the temple You want to go right there? tapping gently and all the responsibilities and The pressure and the things that people need for a mu We're just allowing them to surface they're there they're real We're letting them flow through our bodies bringing them up as we tap gently Now under the eye right on the bone Everything that's going on and just notice the tension in your body Notice the places where you might be holding on Even if you're not always body centric there might be just a little spot Where you go? Well, my breath has been catching recently. I've got some tension in my neck or shoulders Whatever comes up is perfect Now under the nose Tapping gently breathing gently Thinking about all the responsibility the things that people need from you the timeline the pressure and then the loop The loop that just keeps running the part of your brain that won't turn off Under the mouth above the chin below the lip right in that crease there a Part that won't turn off the part of you that thinks I got to keep going. I got to keep solving I got to keep thinking it's not safe to stop for even one minute If I stop I'm not enough If I don't push hard enough, I'm not enough Just tuning in Feel for the collarbone the two little bones of the collarbone go right below it and tap with all ten fingers of both hands Noticing that tension the stress the loop We're handling a lot at once here different thoughts are coming up and you're trying to figure out where the tapping is and it's all right And just see where your mind takes you It gets distracted by something else That's perfect Something specific comes up. Oh that thing feels really stuck. We just pay attention to it We are allow our subconscious mind in our body to guide us to tell us what we need to let go of Underneath the arm, it's about three inches underneath the armpit either side of the body make it some firm pressure there tapping and Focusing on what we're holding on to Last point right at the top of the head tapping gently Breathing gently Okay, and you can gently stop tapping and take a breath in That's one quick round and now we tune in we're looking for a couple things one what came up there Anything stand out any changes tune in to that original number? Tell me what that experience was like for you right from the beginning. My breath fell into a deep lock step So then it was naturally the tapping was cheating productive breathing cycle, I would say that was the first thing I thought about I Think it's taken it down to a below five level of intensity and further away what came up was but just Sometimes it was people and and how I can help them what I need to do for them And then it was also someone was visualizing the future state of how certain things need to be or will be and tell me about that loop so Visualizing a future state feels different to me than the loop that you were talking about. Yeah with the loop It was interesting the loop kind of moved out of my brain fairly quickly as I was thinking about When I'm ruminating and what I'm ruminating on it it turned into people and future state Which then I you know, I think was was part of the helpfulness to continue The cycle of breathing that seemed productive as well. Yeah, I think so the four or five that's left What is that? Tell me the part of the loop that's still there the thoughts that are a little more stuck When you first said that but it made me feel What's the four or five is I'm extremely tired and I'm a person who never really is tired I just haven't really slept. I've slept probably four hours a night the last, you know, three or four weeks So and I generally that doesn't bother me The first thing you said there made me think about you know, I'm tired in terms of the stress that's remaining it's it's just I'm visualizing and thinking about people and things that need to be done by me for them And so those are things that are still very very in front of me. Yeah, let's do a little tapping on that And you know, the goal here is that again these things don't change they're still there. They need to be done But I love what you just did where they're really in front of you, right? It's like if someone's like close talking it's just like this is right in front of my face This is uncomfortable how close those things feel So is it possible that those things can remain a part of your reality? you have to go through those actions, but they can be out there and I love the visuals because this is what happens to All of us and everyone doesn't you know, you say you're not body oriented But you are very visual like that language of like oh a problem here Right is very uncomfortable or let's not even call it a problem a challenge right part of business That's here is uncomfortable business out there. Great. Let's go do it. Let's get you know, you got space To make the decisions clearly and it's hard to make a good decision when something is up in your face Mmm, absolutely. All right. Let's let go a little bit more. So we'll do a couple more rounds I'm still on the side of the hand Even though I feel all this pressure About the things right up in my face About the things right up in my face that I have to solve immediately That I have to solve immediately that are do or die. I Choose to release this pressure now. I Choose to release this pressure now, even though everything feels urgent pressing Pressing right up in my face Right up in my face. I choose to find some distance now. I Choose to find some distance now Even though part of me is overwhelmed By everything right up in my face By everything right up in my face. I choose to step back now I choose to step back now. What if I could step back? What if I could step back side of the eye not step away Not step away Under the eye just get some perspective Under the nose. I can see so much more clearly Under the mouth when something isn't right up in my face Collarbone, so I release all this internal pressure under the arm to get it all fixed immediately top of the head It's safe to step back It's safe to step back Eyebrow to see clearly To see clearly side of the eye from here from here Under the eye. I am at my best. I Am at my best Under the nose I can make the best decisions. I Can make the best decisions under the mouth. I can feel strong grounded and safe. I Can feel strong grounded and safe Collarbone, I can step into my genius. I can step into my genius Under the arm the more I relax the more I relax Top of the head the more I let go the more I let go Eyebrow the more effective I become The more effective I become side of the eye. This is where I shine This is where I shine Under the eye just tune into that feeling. Can you feel that strength in your body now? Mm-hmm And just see yourself going through everything you have to do, but it's out there All right, you're just kind of like a battlefield commander. You can see everything so clearly Releasing that pressure and tension from your body See that now Under the nose, I am strong grounded and safe Under the mouth. I am clear. I am clear Collarbone I'm focused. I am focused Under the arm. I am relaxed Top of the head. I've got this. I've got this And you can gently stop tapping take a breath in And let it go All right, let's tune back into that four or five and what came up for you there You know, I almost smiled early on in that when you said take a step backwards see it from a different view whatever you said, I would literally almost started smiling because Like but you you got it there with me and you know, it's probably a one right now But that made me smile when you said that because I already know that I mean and your face is completely different I mean you're you're a completely different state right now And of course, you know this but look your body was getting in the way your mind was getting in the way You know all these things and it's hard to think our way out of this So we just went right into your subconscious straight into your body like unlock the genius within you And you're a genius. 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We try to be as specific as possible So it's not just like like you can be like I'm stressed about everything in my life and you can do some tapping and you'll Relax, but that's sort of similar to like well if I did breath work You know My stress would go down if I did meditation and my stress would go down where it really shines is where you go I have this one thought that I keep thinking I have this one Stressor and I give it we give everything a number on a scale of zero to ten It's just part of the process. So, you know, we start off when we go. How anxious are you and like tune in? Well, it's an eight in our tapping solution app. We've done this this point 18 million times So we have 18 million recorded sessions where someone gave us that zero to ten number It's the largest data set in mental health history on Everything anxiety pain cravings. So we go Okay with an eight and then ten minutes later the anxiety was at a four We go great that person reduced her anxiety by 50%. So yeah, I'd be the 18 million is Bonkers, I'm working on a paper right now with a couple people from Mass General in Harvard on that 18 million a point data set Because it's there's nothing like it exists and it's chronic pain. It's back pain. It's neck pain It's cancer pain the things that it's not supposed to work on. It's rumination looping thoughts It's sugar cravings like you name a life problem and like we have the data to support the drop So people if they get specific on the thing They will notice in ten minutes the thought that was ripping and I couldn't let go of and it was at a ten It's now a seven a five or a four Interesting. So for me we're tapping came in many years ago through our mutual friend Was um, I have this tendency to do ruminating thoughts Yeah, I get in a thought loop by the way It's it's benefited me as an entrepreneur and a businessman because I'm on it, you know I mean like yeah, I'm not gonna miss something I should be concerned about but from a bliss peace happiness perspective Ruminating on these thoughts not only drives me crazy literally, but it drives everybody around us crazy, right? And so I'm wondering in my case and you'll elaborate this by the way You're gonna have to get the book and by the way Hopefully this session that you just watched or listened to gives you a lot of insight everybody But is part of it like when I first started tapping It it did take me a while to have some sort of what I'm just calling in my terminology a state change. Okay? Now it's almost like instantaneous. Here's what I'm wondering. Does the axe I know we're touching these centers, but no Once you've done it for a while Does the actual pattern of touching a spot become like an anchor or a trigger for a state? Do you follow what I'm saying? No, it's a great question. I do think there's a condition response I do think people who do it more often move faster. I mean I've been doing it for 20 years now I start tapping on the side of my hand and it's just like my body knows what we're doing You know, it's like I've trained it like okay, you got the thought let it go moving on now one thing I would say for you on your rumination Is That it served you and Maybe it doesn't have to serve you Maybe there's a different path forward that you don't have to ruminate on something in that specific way to still get the outcome so I don't you know, like I don't want you to hold on to it to be like I need this edge of Thinking about this because otherwise things won't get done what the research clearly shows I mean when you're ruminating you're activating the stress response like there's no doubt about it. So you're going into Sympathetic now what happens there the blood flows away from your brain into your arms and legs So you think you're being active but no your brain is just not thinking as well Mm-hmm, you bring up the thought you do the tapping with it and all of a sudden it's like the blood flows back in the Brain, you know, when does everyone have their best creative ideas? It's like walking the shower taking a bath, maybe working out, you know, like something where the body just like Relaxes and let's go so I would posit that you know moving forward You don't need that grip in order to get done what you want to get done. Yeah, I want to be really clear I'm so glad you said that because I think I I don't know that I spoke clearly enough I have I believe let that go many years ago, by the way And I'm sorry, I was referencing previously saying that it served me and what I was gonna say before you said it I'm really glad you did was it's so fatiguing. Yes to have ruminating thoughts I mean literally and what you're explaining to me is it's actually brain fatigue as well so I'm not it's not just physical fatigue in my body and I think we all know that we carry so much stress in our bodies and Particularly those of you that are high performers And so I'm wondering in your case like was there a reason you fell into this? Stumbled into it or pursued it as something you wanted to be doing Was there a life event or something going on with yourself? I know the answer this but I want them to know that caused you to be in this world Yeah, I mean I've been into you know personal development self-help since I was probably 16 when I saw you know My mom bought Tony Robbins tapes off of QVC or some infomercial and I was like, alright, let's put it in My dad had all the Nightingale Conan tapes with like that came in the big plastic boxes so I was always wanting to improve my life and It just so happens. I was at a Tony Robbins event in 2002 I had done UPW that had transformed my life. It was a breakthrough. Oh my gosh I can actually change how I feel I can actually have Agency over my life and it seems probably ridiculous for many of the people listening But I guarantee you there's a point in your life where you just thought things happen to you like the world You know, if someone says something then you're angry because someone said something, you know, like everything's lucky breaks Everything's just the way it was so, you know, Tony that first UPW weekend taught me like oh I can change the way I Feel which is to me step one in any sort of journey of change Like I have agency not that there aren't outside circumstances, but I have agency So I got deep into Tony's work and at a leadership conference in San Diego So this was training to be a crew member to volunteer at his events He came up on stage and he did this little tapping demonstration He handed out this sheet of paper. I can still see it's just like one sheet had the points on it and He did it and it was just like I did it with him. It's like whoa something shifted. So I went home I bought a bunch of books. I went online. I got passionate about it I spent the next couple years just doing it with friends and family It was like the running joke was don't say anything's wrong around Nick because he's gonna make you tap on it Like we were if you and I were hanging out Ed and you said my shoulder hurts. I'd be like, let's go. What do we got? You know, let's tap on it Here we go. You know, I'm upset about this. So it was just using it with everyone I started working with clients not charging them just people I knew I was like, I'm a coach I'll do this tapping thing with you and then in 2007. I had the inspiration to make a documentary film about tapping But $40,000 worth of camera equipment on credit cards and credit lines No idea what I was doing when it came to filmmaking and it was hard that like, you know Now you can grab your iPhone and film stuff like 2007 It was like watching YouTube videos on how to set up shots Oh gosh, you know I enlisted my little sister Jessica who was 21 at the time one of my best friends from high school We set off on this journey to just document what was happening out there. So to your original question I just wanted to feel better. I just wanted to have control I mean I had certain summit peak experiences like this neck pain that wouldn't go away and I tapped on it and it was like How did how did that just happen? What do you mean? This went away like I've been popping Advil for three days and it still hurts and I did this weird tapping thing Then it went away. So in the documentary film, I wanted to show that to the world. I wanted to prove it So we have John in the film and you know, the film is dated but it holds up. We released in 2008 We have John who's a Vietnam veteran did chronic back pain for 30 years We go to his house before in Minneapolis. You see him roaning as he sits down You see all the surgeries he's had like all the meds He's been on everything and then he comes to this event in Connecticut that we put on with ten other people. He does this tapping What does he tap on guilt about Vietnam things that he did their family stuff? Stress all these things he wakes up the second morning of the event pain-free for the first time in 30 years 30 years All right, he's sitting you see him. He's sitting on the floor He's like I haven't sat on the floor in 30 years like my back doesn't hurt All right. So so that was the start of this journey that's now been you know books and the app and you know all these things to just Spread this message because look what holds it back is that it looks ridiculous, right? Why are we doing what we're doing? But we now have the data we have institutions like Harvard and Yale and Columbia studying it because they're looking going Well, you can't really ignore 18 million data points. Like you can't ignore this much positive results You can't ignore effect sizes that beat Everything else out there in the industry like something is here and that's why I think the tipping points happening So great brother, by the way, those of you listen, whatever something you're passionate about Can you imagine it turning into something? Whatever it is that you're doing you think you're millions of miles away from being somebody that could be the most sought-after person You're seeing a decade later. You wake up and you're number one. And so you never know Let's go a little deeper what we just saw or listened to With a Thomas. So are there let's be a little more specific. Obviously, they should get the app they should actually just get your books to but Can you take us through maybe some more specificity of where these points are? Yeah, like give us the kitchen sink a little bit Is there any auditory component breathing component eyes open eyes closed doesn't matter, etc Why don't we have an experience because we can do it I know some people you know, if you're driving pull over save it for later, you know, just be safe You want to have both hands? But why don't we have a little five-minute experience because everyone at home no matter what they're going through Like I can guide generally so you can go. Okay, let's see if something can shift. Let's do it All right. So Ed, you know, you can also be our guinea pig You don't have to talk about it out loud, but if there's something you know, what what's happened? We always start with what's the thing? What are we trying to shift? So I mentioned pain a couple times You could be like, oh my gosh, my shoulders are so tense You know, the body's a great clue to how we're feeling and we can often notice things So you could maybe take a breath and go how open is my breath, right? a lot of times we have all this constriction in our breath, so try that right now and just See if there's any constriction there and What's going on in your life? Are you anxious about something? Are you angry about something that happened two weeks ago? And you just can't stop thinking about it. Are you worried about something in the future? Like what's the thing that you go? gosh if I could just Turn down the volume on this a little bit if I could let this go a little bit if I could stop the loop A little bit I would feel better. So go ahead and just pick one thing and Then give it a number on a scale of zero to ten So everyone out there listening you got your one thing you go Oh, I'm anxious about this thing that's coming up and it's an eight or a nine and you don't have to be perfect about it We're just tuning in it tuning into it. We're bringing it up. We're doing this on purpose We're actually some people like oh, why are we thinking these negative thoughts? It's like look they're there They're running the show whether you're paying attention to it or not We're gonna give them a little bit of space a little bit of voice and then we're gonna move through them So we have our target we have our number and then we're just gonna start tapping We start tapping on what we call the side of the hand and if you're listening It's on the outside of the hand below the pinky So you're taking the four fingers of one hand and you're just making repetitive contact with the other hand All right, so we're bringing it up. We're tapping gently and then Sometimes we say some words out loud if you're doing a session, you can just listen along I'm gonna guide you through and just hear the word So I'm gonna say even though I'm holding on to this stress And you can just say that internally if you're home and you want to just say that out loud. That's great. I Choose to relax now We're bringing up the stressor. So even though I'm holding on to this stress. I Choose to relax now We're still tapping on the side of the hand Even though I'm holding on to this thing, whatever it is tune into it. I choose to relax now and Now we'll tap through the points The first point is the inside of the eyebrow right where the hair ends and it meets the nose You can tap with one hand the other hand or both these meridians these mechanoreceptors Run down both sides of the body So you're just tapping gently and now put your attention back on this thing so if it's an anxious thought you keep thinking go ahead think it now if it's a loop like how am I gonna solve this or I can't believe they said that or my back for so much. Just put your attention there now. You're doing great Now moving to the side of the eye. It's not at the temple. It's right next to the eye on the bone again one side or both sides Tapping gently breathing gently Putting your attention on this thought. You're doing great. Just whatever comes up. And it's a lot going on. You're trying to figure out where the points are and think the thoughts. That's okay. It's working. You're getting there. You're learning it. Now we move to under the eye. Put your attention back on what you're anxious about. What you're stressed about. What you're holding on to in your body. That tension in your breath. Notice it now. Now we move under the nose. Right in that little crease there. Above the lip. Below the nose. Tapping gently with two fingers. Breathing gently. Putting your thoughts back on that stressor. If something else comes up, that's okay. Sometimes we start with one thing and you go, gosh I'm really stressed about this other thing. Just follow that wherever it goes. Now we move under the mouth. It's above the chin. Below the lip. In that little crease there. Tapping gently. Breathing gently. Putting your attention back on that thought. What's going on? Why are you holding on to it? What if you could let it go? Now we move for the collarbone point. Feel for the two little bones of the collarbone. You can go right below it and tap with all ten fingers. Both hands. We got two points left after this. You're doing great. Bring your attention back. Why is your body holding on to this? What's this pain about? What's this anxiety about? What's this loop about? And what if you could let it go? Just notice what your mind tells you. Notice the places where your mind pushes back. No, I can't let this go. Now we move underneath the arm. It's right underneath the armpit. Hard to see here for me. About three inches underneath the armpit. Either side of the body. Right on the bra line for women. And you're just tapping gently. Bringing your attention back to that thought. That stress. That anxiety. And the last point is right at the top of the head. Crown. Tapping gently. Letting go. And we brought it up. We'll do one more quick round. You know the points now. I want you to go back straight to the eyebrow. And just tap gently. And ask yourself, what if I let this go? Just see what comes up. Side of the eye. What if you could relax now? Under the eye. What if you could downshift a little bit now? Opening up to that possibility. Noticing that thought. That feeling. That anxiety. That anger fading away. Under the nose. Noticing a sense of peace beginning to settle in. And maybe some ideas. Some awareness as to what's really going on here. Why you've been holding on. How you might let it go. Whatever comes up, you're doing great. Under the mouth. Noticing your body relax. Your breath deepen. All is well. Collarbone. Relaxing even more. Letting it go. Feeling strong, rounded, and safe no matter what came up. Underneath the arm. Letting go. Top of the head. All is well. And you can gently stop tapping. And take a breath in. And let it go. That was two quick rounds. Bro, that is so good. Again, you're the pro. But for me, instantly going into my routine and my pattern shifts my neurology. I just feel it. And obviously these tapping centers are obviously critical. But you're welcome, by the way, everybody. Usually that costs the big bucks. But I gave it to you for nothing today. I know my breath deepened there. I checked it in in the beginning. And then, you know, it's like I wasn't anxious, right? But we're doing the interview. We're in it. It's happening. And then a couple rounds and it just settled a little bit more. And I can breathe more deeply. I don't know what that was like for you. It looked like you settled. You had a little smile on your face at one point. I did. By the way, I wasn't even conscious of it. I was smiling. But the other thing I can tell you that I have right now, I have a little bit more... I would say the word I would use is focus, to be honest with you. Like clarity of focus. Because my thing, since you asked, and my thing is that I was working on was overwhelm. I have a tendency to overwhelm. This day's overwhelming for me. Lots of meetings, lots of appointments. I know what I've got the next day. And that rumination thing, when I say it's gone, it is to an extent. But I overwhelm myself. And yeah, when I'm done with today, I got that tomorrow. This next Monday. And so I'm not feeling that overwhelm in any way right now. And so, bro, I just think, you know, between what we witnessed with Thomas, what you and I just did right now, what you did right now, rather, let me rephrase that. And everything that you're about, I really feel like I want to bring ideas and solutions to the audience that either A, they're not familiar with at all, or B, thought they were. But then when they get on with the master, they start to see, wow, there's another level of this that if I actually... And by the way, one thing all you listen to on audio, one thing you might want to do is go see the YouTube when you get a chance if you're not on there. So you can even see the rhythmic pattern and the pace. And then I think you'd like me to do this, but I should promote your work as well, right? So what would you tell someone that's listening or watching? Like next step to go deeper would be what? What would they do? Yeah, I mean, there's two great options right now. Like you mentioned, we've got this new book out called Rewired. It was a New York Times bestseller the first week out, which we're all excited about. Wrote it with my siblings, Alex and Jessica, with a foreword by our bud Tony Robbins. So I told you how I learned tapping from Tony 20 years ago. Met him about a decade ago through some charity work I was doing here in Sandy Hook. He came into town, completely serendipitous connection. And he's actually the only outside investor in the Tapping Solution app. He's got a 2% ownership that he donates to Feeding America or whatever feeding thing he's working on at that moment. And we match that with 3%. So it's been just a beautiful partnership of giving. So the book is wonderful, great way to go deep on it. And then I mentioned the app a couple of times. So we have this app that's had, you know, 18 million measured completed sessions, 34 million total completed sessions. It's free to download. There's probably 40 to 50 free tapping meditations. And then there's a thousand more with the premium membership if people want to go there. You mentioned overwhelm. We have one in there called Motivate Me to Have a Productive Day. So this new thing, and I'm actually studying it with a couple of researchers of behavioral resistance, like that we actually measure the resistance to doing something. So we have motivate me to have a productive day, motivate me to write. So one of the largest effect sizes, meaning like what's the drop in the zero to 10 scale is motivate me to write. So for writer's block, like people are stuck. It's this thing that we identify. It's kind of a new thing in behavioral research where we're actually saying, hey, there's like a block to this, right? When you have, I know it's writer's block, but like there's a physical part of it. There's thoughts around it. There's beliefs around it. And the idea that we can change those beliefs that we can unblock it like that drastically in 10 minutes. So, you know, I do overwhelm too. That's my tap. People say, what do you tap for now? It's overwhelmed. It's overwhelmed with wonderful things half the time, you know, it's like opportunities, opportunities and possibilities. And like I chase way too many things and way too. So I gotta be like, okay, even though I'm overwhelmed, I choose to relax now and bring that clarity and focus back, you know? So yeah, download the app. It's free to download. Great to share with those you love, pick up the book and that's a great place to start. This is why podcasts like mine, actually, there's only one mine, uh, a kid that exists. This is what it's all about. You spend some time and when it's over, you're different. Yeah. You're improved. And you did that today, bro. By the way, I should also just give a shout out to his brother Alex, because that's how I know you. And so you come from good stock, bro. We got it. We got it. We got a true family business. My dad's our CFO. My mom runs the foundation. My brother-in-law does the coding for the app. Now it is, you know, is that right? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's, it's nonstop. And imagine guys be open to the universe and God bringing into your life where your journey may lead. He's just at an event with Tony sees tapping and here we are and his whole family's involved. So isn't that cool? The journey of life, when you find something special that you love and you never know how good you can get at something. And then you find yourself on my show. And I tell you, Ed, you know, it's day after day, as you know, of just like one mission of sharing this with people. And what's particularly interesting about this is that like, I've used the tool along the way, every step. I mean, we are making the movie. My gosh, there was times we had no clue what we were doing. And we hit, I mean, we filmed a hundred hours of garbage footage. You know, I am, I am broke. I'm living in a 500 square foot apartment. I've got, you know, credit cards and credit lines. I'm making a movie and I've never done it before. So the opportunity to freeze, and this is what happens to so many dreams, complete overwhelm, fight or flight response, no idea what to do. You freeze and you buckle, right? You just like people give up. Like those are the moments when people give up. So I would just go, even though I don't know what to do next, right? I don't know if I'm going to be able to pull this off, like giving a voice to all the things that were happening anyway. My body would relax and I would get clarity and time and again, it'd be like, you know what? We've been stuck with a hundred hours of footage that is just garbage footage. What if we held an event where we showed the people getting the results? That was just an insight that came in because I actually relaxed for a moment and like thought about things as opposed to panicked about things. So wherever you are in your journey, like when you're feeling that resistance and pressure, you're about to give up, like that is the moment, do five minutes of tapping and everything can change for you. Bro, I'm really glad we added that right there. I hope everyone's been stuck around to hear that last part because that's huge. And all of you always heard these things, whatever you're going to call them, flow state, Zen, the zone, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's where your genius state is. And what he just described to you is in that moments of overwhelm, he finally got into that state where his genius, his creativity, I think you're listening as a Christian, the Holy Spirit's coming through and you're hearing the voice. And so, man, this was good, brother. This was good. Thank you so much. So guys, this was Nick Ortner. I guess go get the book, go get rewired and go to the app as well. And then start on this journey. It's going to change your life. It's going to improve your life very much. Nick, thank you. Thank you. I really enjoyed it. Absolute pleasure. Thanks everyone. God bless you, everyone. Max out. This is The Ed and Mylan Show. This episode is brought to you by Born in Roma Fragrances by Valentino Beauty, the iconic fragrance duo. Donna Born in Roma Eau de Parfum is a feminine fragrance featuring juicy blackcurrant, central jasmine, woody cashmere, and warm vanilla. Its masculine counterpart, Guomo Born in Roma Eau de Toilette, has notes of fresh violet leaf, aromatic sage, green vetiver, spicy ginger, and mineral salt. Shop at macys.com.