The 5 Best Forms of Cardio From Worst to Best (The Results Will Surprise You) | Mind Pump 2893

Key Takeaway

Most people treat running as a way to get tired, not as a skill to master. If you haven't run since childhood, you've lost the biomechanics. Going for runs without relearning proper form is like swinging a golf club as hard as you can without technique—you'll reinforce bad patterns and likely get injured. Running has the highest injury rate of any general exercise form, not because it's bad, but because nobody treats it like the skill it is.

Episode Overview

The hosts rank five common forms of cardio from worst to best, explaining why each succeeds or fails for the average person. They emphasize that effectiveness isn't just about data—it's about sustainability, injury prevention, and fitting into real life. The surprising winner: activities you actually enjoy doing.

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We're going to talk about and break down the top four ways people do cardio. And we're going to rank them in order, but we'll explain the rankings. So, don't get your panties in a bunch. We'll start with the worst one. Try not to, S. Let's get to it. Sorry, Justin. Uh, so I I I wrote down kind of Wait a second. No, no, you got to add one here. one here. one here. Am I missing one? And the first one should be ranked the Cuz you ran So, number one would be worst.

The worst. worst. worst. Okay. So, what is there one higher than that? That's worse. worse. worse. Yeah. straight running. Uh well, we could put that in either one of I I'm trying to describe the form of of cardio except for that's different than one and two. You could do hit running and you could do hit steady state running. Oh, when I I I don't think when people listen hear, they interpret that as like going for a run. Okay. All right. We could put running at the top.

Let's do that. Yeah. I And I actually s I think that's the number one thing that people do. So, let me let me do this again. It's the top five ways cardio rank. rank. rank. Sorry, I just saw the list and I'm like, that's you got to put that in there. No, let's do that. Let's do do do I like everything you got on there, but I also would completely categorize running from two and three differently. Okay. All right. All right. So, let's start with that, though.

So, so number one's the worst. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, real quick, everybody, again, this is why I said don't get your panties in a bunch, cuz people are going to hear this this this and what they're going to hear is that form of cardio sucks or doesn't produce uh endurance. It's not going to be or you can't lose fat this way, right? No, that's not what we're doing. We're we're coming from a coaching and training perspective and how each of these applies to most people. So, we're trying to talk to the average person listening right now.

Not only that, but we also are thinking about long-term. about long-term. about long-term. That's right. That's right. That's right. So, it's not just uh getting these to lose body fat or get in shape, but it's also maintaining shape for the rest of your life. So, you have to factor that in this this formula. It's not just like this is the the only way to lose weight or get in shape. It's also what will maintain you. maintain you. maintain you. No, we'll explain we'll explain ourselves because because here's the deal.

You're a runner and you're listening right now and you love running. You do a good job running. Like, don't don't worry about what we're about to say. We're talking to the average person. Now, here's why running is at the top. And I'm going to start with this because running to me is an interesting one. There are few things that the human body actually is designed or evolved, whatever you want to believe, to do really well physically. Okay? So, we get our butts kicked pretty much by in the animal kingdom with anything physical.

There's only a couple things that we do exceptionally well. One of them is run for distance. We're actually built to run for distance. We have really big knee joints. We have these massive Achilles tendons. We stand upright. We [clears throat] have these huge glutes. We're actually exceptionally good or or should I say we we're designed or evolved to be exceptionally good at running. But here's why running's at the top of the list in terms of it being the worst. Nobody can run. Everybody's lost the skill of running.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is a skill. So if you stop doing something when you're 12 because you stop playing on the playground, you stop running, and then you decide I'm going to pick up running to get in shape and you're 30 or 40, you don't have the skill of running. And what people do with running is they don't think I'm going to regain this skill. What they think is I'm gonna run till I'm tired. I'm gonna go work out. And it's just it it's it's injury city.

Or they think s that running is how I'm going to get good at running. Yeah. Like like just running till I'm tired. Is that right? In other words, the like someone might hear what you're saying and go like, well, yeah, that's why I'm running is because I know I'm not good at it. I'm going to get good at it by running. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. And so not understanding that biomechanically they're terrible. In other words, that's like saying, uh, you're terrible at squatting, so I'm going to keep doing more terrible squats.

Like, you have to learn to get good at the squat and you need to break that down. Let me put that. You're going to get efficient at bad patterns. The thing is, you're going to create bad pattern. You're you think you're going to work your way out of bad patterns, but what you're doing is reinforcing those bad patterns and becoming efficient with it. Let me give you a different example that I think people understand. You you've never golfed before. You've never golfed in your entire life.

You go and you hire a golf coach who's going to teach you how to hit a golf club. And he goes, "All right, let's let's see what you do." And you just start swinging as hard as you can, as fast as you can. What do you think he's gonna tell you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Slow down. Slow down. Slow down. Yeah. Relax. Yeah. Relax. Yeah. Relax. We got to get your technique down before you really swing the club. If you just keep swinging as hard as you can, you'll never get better at swinging the club and you'll probably hurt yourself.

This is what happens with running. And and what that go, by the way, that instructor, what he'll do after he allows you to do that, he'll start to break down every bit of the way your wrists are. That's right. where your head is positioned, the way your feet are positioned, the way you follow through on the swing. Same thing with running. running. running. It's like, go ahead and go for a run. And then a coach would go, okay, now let me show you how your heel your foot is striking.

Let me tell you how your right foot is internally rotated a little bit. Let me show you how you're you're hunched over when you're doing this. Like, let me show you how you're you're like not pulling through as you're like, they will break down all the things [snorts] that you're not doing. And then work on those things and slowly do it and not to fatigue. My favorite, one of my favorite stories to tell on the podcast was when I had this huge epiphany around running and it was years ago.

I was in the foothills here in the San Jose area and I was hiking and people love to run in the foothills here in California. It's usually sunny. So, people were just passing me by running while I'm hiking and as a coach or as a trainer and if you're a trainer listening, you know what I'm talking about. You can't help but see biomechanics. I can't help but see pronated, you know, ankles or supenated ankles or hip dysfunction or, you know, overarched back or just I could see what's happening.

And everybody running by, I was looking at them going, "Oh my god, there's an injury. There's an injury. There's some pain." Like it just all looked bad. And then this dude ran by me and he like a gazelle. He was like floating. He It looked beautiful and I could tell he knows how to run. And then it dawned on me that's why everybody gets hurt running. Nobody has nobody treats it like a skill. Everybody treats it as a way to get tired. And this is why among all forms of exercise, uh, general forms of exercise, running ranks the top for injury.

It causes the most injuries of all forms of exercise. I'm running through this right now with my youngest and just just trying to, you know, build up his skill of running and and, you know, adapting to that. And you it was great having Kula on the show because like there is a an entire progression and process you have to go through just to get adapted to the ground forces to get your body in the right position. Uh you know to get that coordination to get the rhythmic response and like all these things like play in such a factor to how smooth these mechanics work together so your energy is more efficient as you run.

Speaking of that, is that live when this is going right now? I'll have to double check check check because it'd be good to good to know because that uh we since you brought this up as like our topic today because that is a great episode where you have I would recommend that to everybody on this this this somebody who is breaking that down that there's an absolute science and approach to learning how to run properly and it's so important and it's why this is ranked as the worst for us riders because it it's very high on the skill list.

Y it's assumed the thing is everybody assumes they just know how to do it right now. right now. right now. That's right. That's right. That's right. It will be live. Oh, so that's great. So you if you haven't already listened to that episode 28.90, episode 28.90, episode 28.90, right? So if this strikes a chord or curious about that, that episode Yeah. Kulo goes into uh running. So that's really good. Next up on the list, second worst is uh highintensity interval training. Again, people can get all up in arms.

So first, let me describe it. High intensity interval training can be done a number of different ways, but I'll use one example. On a stationary bike, okay, just very basic. You cruise and then you sprint for let's say 20 seconds as hard as you can. Then you cruise and slow down till your heart rate comes down and then you attempt it again. So you do sets of highintensity uh application. Now you could do this with weights, you could do this with different forms of cardio, you could do this with running, you could do this with swimming, but essentially that's the protocol.

Now here's what the data shows. The data shows it builds great stamina. It builds great athleticism. It burns more body fat in shorter periods of time. And so you're constantly going to get sold as to why this is such a great form of cardio. In fact, data specialists uh these are people that really understand data but don't have lots of experience training regular people will constantly consistently rank uh hit cardio at the top. top. top. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because the data shows it's amazing. Now, here's the the real world.

Okay. If you ask me of all the clients I trained over the 20 plus years that I trained clients, how many of them uh hit cardio is appropriate for, I'll tell you maybe 10%. 10%. 10%. A handful. A handful. A handful. Maybe 10% at the most. I know I know I know it's just not appropriate for most people because most people are managing the amount of stress that their body can can handle. And I'd rather take that stress and apply it towards something like strength training than hit cardio.

There's a lot of prerequisites involved with kind of building them up to that ability. like at least just like you know having the the joint stability is a is a huge one that I think people overlook all those types of things like we got to build up the strength to uh get everything to perform at an optimal level before we cranked the notch uh to to add more intensity and add that kind of acceleration. of acceleration. of acceleration. Well, what percentage of your clients that you guys trained were you not also managing some sort of chronic pain or imbalances too?

Yeah, everybody like almost every client you are along with their fat loss goal or their building muscle goal or their longevity goal, you are also managing chronic low back pain, knee issues, a post surgery situation, an imbalance from left to right somewhere. And so, and if and if that's the case, if I'm working on that uh along with their their primary fat loss or whatever goals, and HIT is just not a go-to tool to this person, there's it just there's other things, which by the way, it's not bad.

Um, and I utilize it and it's been utilized and can be good based off of the data. But when you go to the next three that we have going on, they're just better. They're just bet they're better and they're also more realistic to maintain long term. That's right. 100%. So, and now I if you're fit and healthy and you move well or you're an athlete and it's programmed properly, hit cardio is amazing. Yep. Yep. Yep. But most people I love it don't fall into that category.

Most people fall in the category, I'm trying to get fit. I'm trying to be consistent. I have lots of other stress to deal with. Uh and so adding hit cardio just becomes inappropriate. Next up is steady state. This is the traditional form of cardio. You get an elliptical and you go for 30 minutes. Uh doesn't require a lot of skill. Um it's uh it is good for health. It's a it's a healthy form of cardio. It's not going to give you tons of endurance benefits. It's not going to give you tons of calorie burning benefits, but it is appropriate form of cardio for most people.

Most people could do this form of cardio um and not uh suffer from injuries or overuse uh issues. Now, this can be abused. People tend to abuse steady state cardio by saying this is the way I'm going to work out to lose fat. Uh but we've talked at Nauseium on the podcast about how strength training is a is a better way to do that. So yeah, I mean and what's your favorite way of study you Justin teases my elliptical? elliptical? elliptical? I like elliptical. I can't help it.

It's just you know what it is? It's a low it's a low risk. It's a low risk low injury uh upright. upright. upright. I mean you're gliding. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those shoulders should put I got to put the arm things like it makes a difference. You know what I mean? Uh, all right. Um, next up, uh, this is this the close to the best, second best walking. Walking. Now, I know it's not tech again, people are going to be up in arms. Walking is cardio. Yeah.

Yeah. You're not going to get tons of endurance walking. Okay. I know that. But walking is so appropriate. appropriate. appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For everybody. For everybody. For everybody. Everybody [snorts] can still walk without hurting themselves. Walking is interesting because it's it's simultaneously simultaneously simultaneously activity which more activity is generally good. So if you look at the data, moving more is generally better unless it gets too extreme. But it's also simultaneously also simultaneously also simultaneously a recovery or recuperating or rejuvenating form of activity. In other words, I could take a client where we're managing stress and strength training once or twice a week is like we're teetering it because you also got kids, you also got a job, you know, your diet isn't great, your sleep is a little off.

I can almost always add walking and it not tip them over. That's right. That's right. That's right. In in some cases it actually reduces stress stress stress where running and hit could tip that person. person. person. Always. That's right. That's right. Someone who's teetering right on there as this is already their stress bucket is already really full. Pushing them into HIT or running tips them over or overflows that bucket. Walking actually takes away from that bucket. It often does. It's also a easy form of exercise to implement into your everyday life.

You don't need to change into workout clothes. You don't need to go into the gym. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can stay in typically what you're wearing, unless you're wearing heels or something like that. And you can be like, I'm going to go for a 10-minute walk. In fact, I'm going to do a 10-minute walk uh after breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Boom. 30 minutes. Well, you can build it into your lifestyle, which now makes it something that people can maintain forever. You said all of a sudden, you you can't tell how many clients that this was the tool that we used.

And what happens after you've you've helped them build habits around this, they now become the person who just gets up a half hour earlier before work and they do a stroll or they become the person who every time they eat they just take 10 minutes and take a walk or every night right before bed. It's like these are things. It's like it doesn't like you said doesn't require them changing. They don't have to go to a gym sweaty. It's not super intense. It's like the the the the barrier to to entry is very easy for people and manageable and maintainable for a very long time.

And so this becomes one of the best. And for anybody scoffing right now like I did as an early trainer, when people told me I walked, I thought, "Oh god, that's not exercise." The data is clear. Walking has amazing longevity benefits. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you walk up to 8 to 10,000 steps a day. This is where you get kind of the peak of the [clears throat] all cause mortality drops. Uh, you know, insulin sensitivity improves, digestion improves. Um, there's almost it's such a low injury rate.

It's just a wonderful form of activity. You know, I have I have examples in my own family. It's really interesting for me now to to be at the age that I'm at. This puts my, you know, aunts and uncles uh now in their their 70s, you know, 70s and 80s and stuff like that, approaching that age. And and obviously I'm I'm 45 years old, so I've seen them my whole life. And then I've seen them when they were my age or younger. And now I've seen them into advanced age.

And my my two that are probably the healthiest, they don't work out. They never have worked out. They've never been workout people, but they are major walkers. They love to go to San Francisco and walk the the city. They like they every day, every week is centered around and just these long nice strolls to the two of them together. And you know, they they're they're modest about the way they eat, but they don't track anything. They don't they're not into like dieting or that they don't they don't drink.

They don't smoke and they walk. And I tell you, they look, move and act 20 years younger than the other side of my family that and the other side of my family has attempted attempted attempted exercise and done dieting and done stuff like that and just, you know, on and off the wagon and abused themselves and it's one extreme to the other extreme type of deal. And I look at the difference of it's just been really interesting to watch being in this profession as long as I have, scoffing at something like walking in my early years as a personal trainer, and then seeing just how beneficial it can be when it truly is a part of your lifestyle consistently and how much it can counter all the other things.

Like again, they're not big exercise. They don't go out and lift weights like, you know, I'd love to see them do that. I can't I can't can't imagine if they actually strength train once or twice a week in addition to that. I mean, how good they would probably be, but the fact that they they look and move 20 years younger than their their peers on my other side of my family is is wild to see the difference. That's awesome. Uh last uh or should I say the best form of cardio is playing.

And now this is a broad category and this covers this covers this covers playing with your kids, throwing a frisbee, going on a hike, going on a swim, jet skiing, swim, you know, just things you enjoy doing that require you to move. This is the best. Now, of course, be appropriate with it. Don't go play, you know, tackle football with your buddies after you haven't played, you know, for 10 years or whatever, but this is fun. It's enjoyable. It builds community. And in my experience, the my experience, in my experience, the healthiest people that I've ever known who were older played.

They did things. They liked to cycle because they they didn't do it to go work out. They loved it. They loved to go skiing or surfing cuz it's not work. It's not. It's not. It's not. And I think that's the the one of the biggest barriers with even working out or doing cardio in general is the fact that like it just sounds like a task. like I gotta go do this thing, you know, like playing and and being involved in something that's like super active, but you really enjoy it.

You get lost in it and it just time passes and it's like, wow, I moved so much you don't even account for that type of move. I don't even know if I would have thought or had the awareness to add this to the list uh until becoming a father. I think becoming a father has changed my outlook more uh on this than ever. I think that yeah, go run after a four-year-old or five, you know, and I and and park park park and I don't I definitely don't do it thinking I needed to to do cardio.

And that's why yesterday, I don't know if you even saw the the video I posted on our story, uh we just got Max a big wheel. wheel. wheel. And so he found a big wheel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he's got a big wheel. So sick. Yeah. They're cool now. They're even better now. They're like so much nicer, you know? you know? you know? The ones we have a plastic wheel. Yeah. Yeah. He has like a good front rubber wheel but back to a plastic wheel. wheel.

wheel. Plastic huge wheel. So it grips more full going forward. Yeah. Yeah. So his his is uh if you look at my video on my story yesterday. Oh, that's so awesome. You can actually see the one that I got. No, I got a better one that Doug. It's cool. It's really cool. Um anyways, uh but I mean getting him to go fast, running and chasing him and stuff like that. It's just I I think that of course I'm I'm aware that I'm creating movement and activity and burning calories and all those things, but just the the connection with your kid.

And I I I see a lot of dads my age that have kids that just you're tired. you had a long day at work and you don't want to you don't want to move and you sit on the couch or you sit on your phone and it's like not only is that not good for you health you health-wise and activity wise it just can't be that great for you relationship wise with your kid and so I when I think of talking to people that are our age that that you're encouraging play it's like that's the direction I encourage and then oh by the way it'll keep you healthier and fitter but it's like do it for your kid do it for them to stay connected I had a client years ago So, uh, she was probably, I would say in her mid-60s, I was a pretty early trainer.

And at that time, I was, uh, I wasn't the greatest trainer, or should I say I wasn't the most aware or smartest trainer. I considered workouts to be workouts. Everything else was not workouts. And I remember talking to her. She hired me because she'd never done strength training before. She got great benefits from strength training. But I remember talking to her and be like, "Hey, what do you do for exercise?" She's like, "I dance." I'm like, "What do you mean you dance?" She used to love salsa dancing and dancing with her partner and she would do this several times a week.

And I got to tell you, man, for someone who didn't quote unquote work out, she was fit. fit. fit. She was fit and she responded really well to strength training because she didn't have like you take the typical 65-year-old who doesn't dance or play or whatever. There's all kinds of imbalances and movement. Not to say they didn't have to correct some things with her, but it was a different it was different altogether. And it was because she was just she loved to dance and and it was just a fun thing that she did.

And so that's the category of playing. I think that's the best. Have you have you ever seen Katrina's dad before? No. No. No. Oh, yeah. So he's in his late he's in his late 70s and uh salsa dances four nights of the week. Yeah, dude. drinks, smokes, eats like like like but I'm telling you like he you would think I mean he dates think he you would think I mean he dates people that are half his age because he is like this I mean he is super he like salsa dances like he doesn't like kind of he like he's like it's very serious about it and it's like hours of hours of hours of Justin made a good point when you do when you're playing and you love it you lose track of time track of intensity hours hours hours yeah hours and into it and just and It's crazy how considering he is not a healthy person, how actually fit and healthy it's kind of kept him.

It's been probably the thing that has kept him going as well as it's kept him because of that. of that. of that. That's awesome. Well, I'll tell you why that one came up on the list because uh I had yesterday I went back to jiu-jitsu. So, it was my first day back. Oh, that was yesterday. That was last night. Oh, [ __ ] Oh, [ __ ] Oh, [ __ ] So, this was my first time back in I think I [snorts] want to say it's almost 20 years. So, the last big tournament I did, I think was 2006, and then I really didn't do much after.

So, it's got to be at least 18 to 20 years that I've done any kind of jiu-jitsu or grappling. So, I went back uh yesterday uh over here, San Jose. Shout out to Claudia Francis School. Great, great place. And uh boy, let me just explain what it felt like. Okay. Uh I I knew what I wanted to do. Like I knew what my bo I knew what I wanted my body to do and what it should feel like. Big disconnect between what my body would actually do.

It was like it just wasn't obeying. It was very strange. Was it a class you were doing? Was a class? Yeah. Yeah. I did a no class and uh I only I I pretty much only went against my my brother-in-law who's he's a brown belt now. Oh, now. Oh, now. Oh, okay. okay. okay. And so and we went easy. You didn't know somebody there at least. Yeah, dude. And we went easy. And uh my ego now at my age, I'm like way less. So, even if I went against other people, I'm okay with like totally going easy.

And, you know, we did the warm-ups, which includes like mat work. And um and you know, I'll tell you what, I will say this. I move better than I thought I would. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, I'm actually happy. But also, when I'm in there rolling and grappling and it's starting to come back to me like what it should feel like and how I should move and then the way my body's moving is not like I expect it to. Well, you have a couple things working against you in that too.

Not just the fact that you've been out of for what how many years? Almost 20. Almost 20. Almost 20. So almost 20 years you've been out of it, but you're also 30 lbs difference or probably about 25 to 30 lbs of more muscle. muscle. muscle. So there's I mean this is like me playing basketball. This is why I finally had to just like hang it up and be like I I can't do this unless I'm willing to commit to going all the way back down in weight and putting in all the work to like cuz like my brain goes like I can move like this.

like it's like and I kept hurting [clears throat] myself because I'm like I can't I can't move my my new body the way I used to move my 187B body, you know? So, it's like so different. So, it's going to be interesting to listen to your your your process through that because that was that was a tough pill for me to swallow was like accepting that I probably need to go down quite a bit of weight to still if I wanted to move like I used to move.

move. move. Yeah. Well, it rem or accepting you're never going to move like that again. No, no, I'm fine. No, I'm I'm I'm committed. I'm committed. uh to doing it. It's the healthiest I ever was with fitness because it took my focus off of trying to be jacked and trying to build all the time. Um you know, weightlift weight training could also be quote unquote playing for me, but there's a connection to it that moves it away from that and turns it into obsession. Yeah, I'm interested in it too because of like there there has to be like there's a flow to it, right?

Totally. So, it's a totally different like shift in mindset as opposed to like when you're working out. Uh, and like how you're navigating through all that again and being loose when you need to be loose and then coming in tight like Totally. Totally. Totally. Yeah. I would think there's a bit of flow for you though in working out though too. though too. though too. There is. But what he's saying is uh jiu-jitsu is interesting. Uh they they call it like combat sports for nerds because it's very cerebral and it's very not natural.

What I mean by that is like any any idiot could throw a punch. Not not saying they can throw a good punch, but you you get a big dude who throws a haymaker like and he connects, you're going to sleep. Y Y Y there's no accidental submission or position on the ground. It's like learning how to swim. So like you go on the ground, if you've never grappled, never grappled, never grappled, you're a baby. And I don't I mean that seriously for real. real. real. Like like you there's a great video of um uh Gordon, I think is his last name.

Uh I can't remember his first name. He's uh one of the world's best jiu-jitsu what's his name? Dylan. Ryan Gordon. one of the best jiu-jitsu fighters of all the show a long time ago. ago. ago. No, we didn't. Who do we have on the show? No. Gary Ton Tonin. Oh, that's so So, so Gordon is one of the world's best, if not the world's best, uh, grappler, some people would say. I think he weighs like 210. Kind of a jacked jiu-jitsu guy, but there's a video of him rolling with uh Thor.

Uh, what's his Hapthor? Oh, Hapthor. Oh, Hapthor. Oh, Hapthor. Yeah. The the the Who's How big is Hapthor? Can you look up his size? He's like 6'8, right? Yeah. and like 300 lb. He's huge. No, more than that, dude. Well, I mean, it's like Yeah, he's 300 plus. plus. plus. He's He's He's a He's a I mean, he's a mutant. He's like the biggest human being. being. being. 69. 69. 69. Oh, 69. Oh, 69. Oh, 69. 450 lb. 450 lb. 450 lb. So, and he's and he's he's a muscular 450.

He's a giant exceptionally strong human being. Yeah. And there's a video of him rolling with uh Gordon. And so, he outweighs Gordon by twice as much. He's easily eight times stronger than Gordon. And he and you could see how because of the technique and because you know Abthor doesn't know he's never done it. Yeah. He can just roll him up. He pulls him on his back. He gets on top and you can tell Abthor's like like like lost. lost. lost. He's like the physics don't even make sense.

sense. sense. He's lost. And it's like and again Gordon is the best in the world. So if you're like a regular, you know, jiu-jitsu guy, jiu-jitsu guy, jiu-jitsu guy, you could still get killed by that guy. Be careful. Be careful. Be careful. Don't be go up to don't go up to half Thor and be like, I can beat you up. But to see that is like that's what jiu-jitsu is about. That's funny you just brought that up. I actually had a I totally forgot I wanted to to ask you guys and maybe this is a good good time to ask you cuz we're talking about weight classes and this and that.

What level and it it was on my mind too cuz the UFC fighters happen. Okay. So, what level does like the the the worldass fighter uh weight class matter and not matter? In other words, like, okay, can S uh do S feel confident that even if you're a pro boxer, but you're a flyweight? You're not a champion. You're you're just a flyweight boxer. boxer. boxer. I could I could I could hang with you. Oh, I see. Right. Cuz you're two 225 lb guy, right? And this guy's 135 lbs, right?

So, at what weight class does it like all of a sudden it doesn't like it doesn't matter? So, I'll tell you this. If if we're talking about world class fighter Yeah. Cuz it's okay. We're not talking about like the typical gym. No, no, no, no, no. Not world cuz that's You're right. World class, you could be a flyweight and you could cuz grappling is a different ball game. Grappling is not uh uh boxing or or because boxing size makes more of a difference than grappling. Size always makes a difference.

But like there's a video of Larry Wheels. Larry Wheels is grappling against a 150 lb lightweight like super small dude. Oh, did he do that? And he gets submitted like a bunch of times. times. times. Oh yeah. And Larry Wheels is like he's really humbled and pissed off about it. And Larry Wheels is very strong. Like he squats 900 lb. He's very very strong. Yeah. Insane. Yeah. Insane. Yeah. Insane. So um yeah, jiu-jitsu is like that. But so and they have tournament it's the only full contact quote unquote fighting sport where they have uh unlimited uh categories and tournaments.

So they have weight classes and then they have what's called open class. Yeah. It doesn't matter what size you are, you can compete. And it's not the biggest guy that wins often. often times it's like 180 pound guy or 160 pound guy. Yeah, guy. Yeah, guy. Yeah, Marcelo Garcia Marcelo Garcia Marcelo Garcia used to win that. You could Doug, look up Marcelo Garcia and how much his weight was weight was weight was and he was just just crushing people back in the day. Yeah, I feel like that's probably the main martial art I would say, you know, weight class is like less.

Yeah. Yeah. 180 to 185 pounds. And that guy right there would win unlimited all the time against 250 lb dudes, 26lb dudes. dudes. dudes. Yeah, that's why. And he would and he would submit them. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. But for me, it's like again, it's like the the the uh I'm going back for sure. I'm going to do it. I did no ghee last night, which uh is I guess easier if you for if you're stronger. Going back to ghee. Ghee, they'll tie you up and then you're just like you're sitting there like a like a dumbass.

But I'm going to start doing both. I'm going to go super easy and I'm going to let the muscle fall off my dude. I'm excited for you. If that's the direction it's going to go, I'm going to let you go. How many how many days a week? What I'm probably going to start with is two days a week of jiu-jitsu and I'm only going to lift uh one day a week. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. Well, yeah, dude. You can't you Listen. No, I know.

You ain't going to do It's conflicting, It's conflicting, It's conflicting, bro. You're wrestling like hard with grown men. grown men. grown men. You ain't going to lose. How was it super fatiguing for you last night or did you not Because we went kind of easy. Uh it wasn't like crazy fatigue. Actually, I was like I feel not bad about my condition. I was I was expecting much worse. worse. worse. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but we weren't going like super. It was funny too cuz I Yeah, but still you even know too like when you're when you're so deconditioned from a like how like minimal it takes to like feel like exhausted.

Yeah. If you're going to assess yourself in terms of like like mobility practices you should probably now focus on. I will. What would what does that look like? So what I need first is just general flexibility first. Uh so I need flexibility. My hips uh will get flexible pretty quickly. My quads are really tight. I need to work on flexibility there and I need to work on rotational flexibility because that's what I could feel today. I could feel that when I would twist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Like I can tell like my neck and my thoracic. thoracic. thoracic. That's what I noticed the little stint that I uh tried it out. It was like oh my god like so much ro hip rotation and hip uh emphasis that I had to work on. Yeah, it's uh it's going to be fun, dude. And if the I'm probably my body weight's probably going to go down to I don't know probably 205 210 I would say. Probably I'm probably lose 10 to 15 pounds pounds pounds of muscle is what I expect.

But whatever happens happens. happens happens. happens happens. Okay. Okay. Okay. But inspiring me. I'm I'm going to start running like sprinting. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, sorry. Well, my son, you have to bodybuild. Adam, remember the combined weight of us? Yeah. You guys You can't lose all my weight, dog. weight, dog. weight, dog. You going to take the muscle, bro? I'm heavy right now, too. So, we'll see how that goes. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. It's that's exciting. I tell you what, I was going against my So, my brother-in-law, I was going against him the whole time.

And um back when I used to train 20 years ago or whatever, you know, I used to kick his butt, right? I used to submit him all the time or whatever. Now, this time, he was very kind to me cuz he's he's a brown belt now. And he was very kind to me. And afterwards, I texted him. I'm like, "Bro, thanks for not giving me payback, payback, payback, pranking on me." Well, I imagine I imagine uh he wants me to go back. That's why he want he wants you to get more on his level probably so it's competitive again where he probably knows right now.

It's like it's it's not even fair, you know? Yeah. Yeah, you can't brag about it yet. Well, back in the days, you guys were probably closer at level, right? Well, no, I was really I was decent. I'm Okay, when I say decent, I mean like club level good. I wasn't like state level or like, you know, you wel or what cuz let me tell you, guys would come in. This is the greatest experience ever for an athlete. You guys have all experienced this. I only experienced in jiu-jitsu.

jiu-jitsu. jiu-jitsu. I'll never forget, dude. We had these guys come in from Brazil. They were all like world class. So, they were like world world class. And I'll never I was at this point I was like the peak of my jiu-jitsu career and I could hang with black belts. I was like pretty good. And this dude, bro, he tapped me out so easily. Like so easily. It was It was crazy. Like at one point I'm laughing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's laughing with me and I'm like, "Is this like are you just messing with me?" He's like, "Yeah, yeah, I'm messing with you.

with you. with you. You already know what you're gonna do. This sucks, bro. This sucks so bad." Just toying with you. It also makes you feel real confident, though. I'll tell you this. When you do a lot of like combat sports, you have a confidence when you walk around uh in the real world cuz Yeah, for sure. Cuz you know how to fight. Yeah. Know those some seem to be some of the most the the the toughest dudes tend to be the most humble and less likely to fight.

There's no there's no reason to. Totally. I got to tell you this though, after training really hard, this was at night. So, I don't know if you guys ever experienced this, uh but this is common, right? You work out real hard, especially in a way adrenaline going like crazy. Hard to go to sleep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hard. So, I you I took um Troscriptions Calm. Calm. Calm. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Wow. That it works so well, dude. I slept products slept products slept products cuz I came home and I was kind of buzzing.

buzzing. buzzing. You did just the calm. I didn't go hard I did just the calm. I didn't go hard with the sleep stuff. That'll knock me off. off. off. Yeah. I I'll do the calm with the sleep stuff and you I'll put put me in a coma. No, I do the cal so calm you could take during the day, too. Um, and the ingredients in Calm are uh, so I mean they're backed by data and you can feel it like if you take Calm, give it about 30 minutes and you'll feel your body.

What do you do that about like one to two hours before sleep? That's what I did. Yeah. Yeah. I took it when I came home, showered, did whatever, and I just kind of started feeling Yeah. It reminds me of like a similar feeling I get from uh like a when I take my magnesium or when I take chamomile. It has this kind of just chill effect effect. It's not like a but then you stack that with the sleep. Oh, well you're going n 30 minutes to 45 minutes.

No, if you do those two, don't go drive a car a car a car cuz it puts you operate heavy machinery. Yeah, that's a sleep one. Anyway, I got to tell you about this new certification they have in California. What is Why you laughing? What is up? Justin knows obviously there's a new certification. Gay certification, dude. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. Okay, wait. Hold on. No, give me the backstory of how this came to be and then we we got to break this down. So, California, of course, it's in California, is pressuring public utility companies to issue $633 million in contracts.

Wow. Wow. Wow. To LGBTowned businesses, however, the must pass gay certification program. Stop Stop Stop it, dude. it, dude. it, dude. Yes, dude. [gasps] Please tell me. Did you tell me you Googled what the certification was? was? was? Yeah, I did. You did? Come on. So Doug can look it up too cuz we could we can make this a challenge. One of us has to go through this. So listen, So listen, So listen, Doug is for sure going to do this if we save money. save money.

save money. Yeah. So first, how much money do we how much money do we really depend to? They have to watch you throw a baseball. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Has it been your five your top five favorite movies? favorite movies? favorite movies? your favorite musical outfit. Yeah, you have you have an outfit quiz. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, dude. No, that's that's No, there's actual So, obviously if you're married, so if you're same-sex married, that qualifies, obviously. Okay, Okay, Okay, then they'll uh you can send them like uh your like social media profile evidence.

So, I don't know. Are you serious? Yeah, I don't know what that looks like. What does that even mean? Here I am making out with a dude. I don't know what's in there, bro. But that there's that. Then there's another one. I guess you could you could have uh what does that say? Submit. How much do we save, Doug? Uh I do not know. It's getting contract. So I don't think you're saving anything. Okay, Doug. Okay, Doug. Okay, Doug. Because Doug is the only person that's not married.

So yeah. yeah. yeah. Yeah. So you might have to take one for the team here. All righty. Yeah. And then I think another one is you could have people write letters for you, which listen I don't know any dude who doesn't have friends that would be like for sure I'll write letters to your gay dude. He's gay. He's gay. He's gay. He's super gay, bro. He's so gay. Nobody can. Nobody can. Nobody can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys don't even know. Yeah. So those are the three that I looked up and then I saw that is hilarious.

The business has to be at least 51% LGBT own. What does that mean by the way? If you have a two partners, this is not going to be abused at all. That means two of us have to be. Yeah, dude. Oh, there you go. Inside their gay certification program. Like, how do you qualify, Doug? Look it. Uh, pictures of scissoring and Oh my gosh. What are we talking about here? Stop, dude. Hey, you ever watch that? What baseball game was was it? There's these two baseball players.

They're going for the ball and they just slide and scissor each other like super hard. hard. hard. And I'm sure they made memes of that like like like Oh, they were Yeah. One of the memes. One of the memes was like they could never plan that again. That was impossible. was impossible. was impossible. I saw me, but it's like after this they went out and bought a Subaru together. Does it say Doug? I'm trying to find this requirements ownership at least. Okay. At least 51% of the business must be owned by one or more.

more. more. How does that work? 51%. So if you have two partners, two partners, two partners, that's right. Yeah. So one has to have at least 51 has to be full gay, other has to be. So here's the deal. I get 51% of the company now, right? Yes. I I did a gay thing once. Does that give me the 1%? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh So, uh So, uh that's like in the furry stuff. So, there's a declaration of sexual identity, gender identity, supporting documents, letters from an organization or affidavits from personal or professional like this is so it's kind of like honor system a lot of of of this is not going to get uh used at all.

Yeah. Not at all. So, and this is this is basically money, right? They're just getting money to for their business. Well, my so my understanding is that they will get contracts um utility contracts in California. So I mean your your company will get paid obviously you'll get a contract that somebody else won't get because you're gay. So it's not so it's not a discount on PG& or something. No no it's really getting contracts. You're you're if you they're required like as a certain percentage of the contracts we put out this many has to be in this program that have to be LGBT.

Got it. Which to me, guys, everybody, like this is plainly discriminatory. This is absurd. It's plainly discriminatory. Makes no sense. To give somebody something simply because of skin color or sexual orientation or gender is plainly discriminatory. Now, I know what they're trying to do. They're trying to correct what they're, you know, they're trying to overcorrect or say, to they're trying to overcorrect or say, "Oh, well, these people don't get it." Type of deal. No. No. No. But, you know, this creates more divide. I got to say this, you guys.

This is how let me tell you let me explain to everybody how business works. You know what pe business cares about? Money. Money. Money. Profit. Profit. Profit. Money. Money. Money. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Like if you if you're doing a good job and you sell a good product or you got a good business or whatever, 99% of people will do business with you because you do good. good. good. Now, is this is this like uh on the B or is this past? No, they're actually pressuring them to do this.

do this. do this. So, this is like official. This isn't like one cuz sometimes you get like uh headlines like this and it's just all clickbait alarmist stuff, but this is like really going down. Yeah, this the lawmakers are pressuring them and this was on uh Poly Market uh which is like a cuz it's already got a a certification number. number. number. General order certification 156. It's already got I mean it looks pretty legit. legit. legit. I mean I mean I mean Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Wow. Wow. I still wanted to make a challenge out of this guys. But, you know, there's also potentially people that could take advantage of this. this. this. Yeah. You think because like how do you pro I mean I don't know. don't know. don't know. Hey, write me a letter, dude. I mean, I need some money for There's a lot of AI images. I mean, if we were in the electrical contract business, I'd definitely have you guys do it. Why Why would you have Why don't you do it?

it? it? Well, cuz that's not my part of the business. business. business. Plus, you'd be better at CEO. You're marketing. marketing. marketing. You be you'd be better at Just send a picture of you sitting on the couch. You know, sometimes you sit on the couch. Yeah. does that. Stay close to your toenail. You know exact dude. exact dude. exact dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know exactly what I'm talking when you get all relaxed. Comfortable. You sit kind of like comfortable. You sit kind of seductively a little bit.

Watch. Yeah. Do like that. Like what are you doing, bro? Stop it. it. it. That's perfect. That's perfect. That's perfect. That's too far. Make a whole Instagram account with that and then we're covered. Anyway. All right. All right. All right. Enough of that. I'm going to change subject. So, uh there's Do you guys know that there's a a connection between diabetes and dementia? Uh yeah. So, there's a new this this just came out in science news and they listed listed listed uh some of the the the ways that they're connected.

Um so, diabetes itself increases your risk of dementia by 60%. Uh and and this probably has to do with uh just your brain's inability uh to utilize uh energy, sugar. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. So, the brain is 2% of your body weight, but it uses 20% of your body's energy. And so the brain cells lose their ability to use glucose properly. And [clears throat] that's very and this is why one of the reasons why people with dementia or Alzheimer's often have improvements in symptoms when they go on a ketogenic diet is because you're taking them away from using um you know sugar and using ketones because their brains uh have lost the ability to to an extent to process that.

So, by the way, this is also why one of the best forms of exercise for to prevent dementia, Alzheimer's is strength training. And the data is clear on this. Well, that's because of the muscle building and the storage, right? That's right. Because the insulin sensitivity, sensitivity, sensitivity, right? Because it becomes a great storage vessel for carbohydrates and muscles are very insulin sensitive. It's actually the the the most effective way to improve insulin sensitivity is to build some muscle. Makes a huge difference. difference. difference. Yeah. I mean, our buddy Max Luger, right, in his book like covered a lot of that.

Eating strategies obviously with all that, but yeah, for avoiding dementia. I mean, this is something I've been passionate about. My grandma had like dementia real bad. Really? Yeah. And so, it's like kind of in the in the family and I'm very conscious of it. Always trying to stress better habits, you know, with my mom because she's starting to kind of, you know, there's there's signs of that potentially being there. So, you know, to strength train and then to eat, you know, make these better decisions. So, uh, you know, it she utilizes, uh, glucose a lot better.

Oh gosh, that's a tough one. Doug, you just pulled up, uh, Organifi's, uh, parasite cleanse. I didn't realize that I wasn't doing the full protocol here. What were you doing? I was just taking it in the morning time, the the pills, but I guess they have a fullon stack that goes with it. I wasn't aware of that. I just thought I was I thought I was doing the right thing by thing by thing by Well, I did, too. And I think I made a mistake as well.

Okay. So, there's very specific instructions on how to use this. this. this. So, days 1 through three and then four through seven, through seven, through seven, right? Correct. right? Correct. right? Correct. So, one through three, what are you doing? doing? doing? So, there's two different products. There's a capsule and there's some liquid you take. Y and so, uh, on day 1 through three, you're taking one capsule in the morning on an empty stomach with 4 milliliters of the liquid. And then you're doing the exact same thing before bed.

Uh, days 4 through 7, you're doing two of those capsules in the morning with 8 milliliters of the liquid. And then you're doing exactly the same thing before bed. before bed. before bed. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. So I've been doing two and eight millimeters uh milliliters uh twice a day and I didn't realize that. So the bottle is not super clear just so everybody knows. You should uh look at these instructions. You can find it on is on the Organifi website. It's on the Organifi website.

Now why uh how long you been using it? Two days. I just started. You haven't noticed anything? Not not as of yet. So you guys know what a Herxheimer effect is, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So when you It's part of the die offer. This doesn't happen to everybody, but when you kill a bunch of parasites, um, you don't feel so good right afterwards. It releases a bunch of toxins as the parasites die. And so sometimes people doing a parasite cleanse feel worse initially. initially. initially.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and that's called the Herxheimer effect. It can also happen with treating. treating. treating. Yeah. I remember when you told me that to be ready for that. So like don't quit it just cuz you don't because a lot of people I'm sure don't know that and then they start taking like oh these make me feel terrible so I don't want to take them anymore. them anymore. them anymore. That's why I haven't started mine yet. just cuz we have vacation like next week and I was like I didn't know like you know if I was going to have that kind of response or not but I definitely how common is the herzimr effect because it's not so I've known a few people have done these protocols and only one kind of had a herk do you think is that more do you think is that more of a genetic thing or is it how bad it is that's why they feel that way I don't know that's a good question it could be because your detox pathways aren't so great because you have to detox all that right so uh that's a good question yeah 10 to 15% of individuals feel that.

feel that. feel that. So that's not a huge So one out of 10 or so so so we'll go through it. Okay. The product they have for parasites is legit. legit. legit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you you can go the pharmaceutical route which is I mean you're nuking stuff but you could totally start with this. And what I like about this natural uh one is um you just do it once a year. Might as well go through once a year and go and and do the whole thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I was talking to um what's his name? name who runs organic. Yeah, Drew is like, "Dude, you got to see the pictures people are mailing in." Oh god, Oh god, Oh god, they really get people mailing in pictures. pictures. pictures. People, not mail in email. People are emailing them pictures of the stuff that's coming. Oh god, Oh god, Oh god, that's so gross. It's like before and after pictures and there's specific things you can see. Now, there's obviously this is like white like there specifically like parasites that you see like white, you know, white strands strands strands and then there's like what look like smaller kind of uh like almost like it looks like an empty capsule.

I think I mean if you want to Google interesting like what's the most common like parasites right now that people are are dealing with like in our Yeah. I wonder wonder wonder Oh, just because you hear about like Yeah, like in the south and like that hookworm was like very pervasive everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. I wonder what it is now. What are you seeing common? What are you seeing common? Uh oh, Doug's looking up. Yeah. So, I was looking for the last one I was looking at right there.

Yeah, there we go. So, um, let me So, I can't see this very well, but, uh, whipworm, tapeworm, whipworm, tapeworm, whipworm, tapeworm, um, is it roundorm, giardia, hookworm, and coilia? Is that how you say it? I don't I don't know how to pronounce it. Coia, maybe. Coia, maybe. Coia, maybe. Okay. Okay. Okay. Uh, yeah, those are the main ones, I guess. guess. guess. Yeah. Well, that [snorts] was a game changer for me. That was the thing that was causing all my gut issues. Did I ever tell you guys the time my grandfather the story he tells me he told me before he passed away.

He used to tell the story all the time. He uh of when he got rid of uh his tapeworm. No, No, No, bro. It's the worst thing ever. Yeah. Let me hear it. So, he lived very poor in Sicily and then gets married to my grandma. They have he's got no way to support his family. He had a connection in Venezuela of all places. took a boat to Venezuela, lived in this like little shack with a bunch of other men and worked uh I think it was a tire shop or something like that and would send money back.

But it was like he tells stories. He's like s goes uh goes uh goes uh uh there were cockroaches all over the floor where we slept. It was like really really crazy, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he said that um he had thought he had I don't remember why he thought he had a parasite. I think he was cuz he was losing weight and he was he was eating and he couldn't figure out what was going on. So I don't know how legit that My grandfather story everybody.

I would not don't do this. But he said he drank some gasoline and and and what? what? what? Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. It seems like that would work. And he said it came out. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. It came out and then he felt it coming out and he had to pull it up like like like vomiting it out. Google Google that. Is there any is there any I think that'll kill I think it'll kill a person too. Of course.

Gasoline is I wonder if it was like an old time old strategy. strategy. strategy. I have no idea why. He loves telling that story. that story. that story. Gasoline and parasite. He would tell that story to his grandkids all the time. And we were just like, "Oh no, no, I don't want to hear that." Oh my god. Yeah. Let's see. Oh boy. Was historically used as a folk remedy. Wow. He was telling the truth. Yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. Yeah, bro. Sometimes I hear stories from my older relatives and way like you just poisoned yourself.

He drank gasoline, bro. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Hardcore, Wow. Hardcore, Wow. Hardcore, bro. There you go, dude. So hardcore. There you go. There was It was legit. was legit. was legit. It was It was real. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. That is so crazy. That's so crazy. I told you guys about He's got so many stories. I told you about how um when we were kids, we we would marvel at my grandfather's ability to inhale boiling boiling hot boiling hot boiling hot Oh, food. Yeah.

Pasta or beans? Yeah. Like I mean scalding. Like you put your finger in there, it would melt your finger and he would hold the bowl with the fork and a spoon. How's that not burning three times? just adapted to it. He would just like three scoops he would probably built up scar tissue all the way down his throat and mouth. It's actually a sad story cuz when we were kids we would laugh about it and and he would love to do it in front of everybody to kind of No, I mean you've told the story before.

Why? Cuz he just you you had to eat Oreos. You wouldn't get your food in the line. line. line. When he was a boy, like 10, 11, he had to go off sometimes for 2 days, three days to try to make money to bring back to his family. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes he'd had to sneak on top of a train or whatever. and he'd find work on these farms and he'd be working with grown men. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which, you know, God knows what else happened.

He's a 10-year-old kid. The owner would feed the workers and they'd bring out a pot of beans and he's like, "If I didn't eat, I had no food because everybody else would eat the food." So, I learned how to eat the food when it was so hot that nobody else could. So, that was how he he ended up doing that. Isn't that crazy? But, I mean, to Justin's point, what I was saying was that like, how did you do that? Like, that's how he did it.

But what it what allowed him to do it is probably he probably built up scar tissue. I think I think you would you would swallow it. You would burn you would burn your mouth and throw it enough times that it would build up scarring and then you would be able to handle it, right? I mean, that's logically the only way that works. works. works. Painful either way. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it was. I'm sure it was. was. was. I have no idea. They made him different back then, you guys.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, Dude, Dude, so he would be like, "Sometimes I wake up, I don't have a shoes because of my brother taking. Sometimes I have a shoes." shoes." shoes." What's crazy about that is 10 years old. That's wild. That's wild. That's wild. 10, bro. 10, bro. 10, bro. Wow. I saw a picture of him when he was it was 11-year-old kid. My grandmother had this picture of this boy covered in looked like soot and really tattered looking clothes and having a stick with two baskets of look like potatoes maybe.

And when I was a kid, I remember I saw the pimp like na who's this poor kid? She's like that's your grandfather. I'm like what? She's like that's a picture of your grandfather. Like oh man he's like a child. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy. I know. So crazy. That's so crazy. I tell you guys, I uh I had a dream about Doug last night. Another one. Another one. Another one. Wait, are you are you trying to get your certification? I'm planting the seed right now.

I'm going to write my No, it wasn't that kind of dream. Was that kind of dream? And you know, uh, for the audience that this may not be as as funny as it was ended up being for me because if you don't know Doug's Doug and I's relationship, like you guys know, one of the things about Doug is he'll let you um he'll let you tell tell him stuff even though in his head he already disagrees or doesn't like, but he'll let you keep doing that until he's had enough.

And I always know when I've had enough cuz it's like, Adam, I don't want that. I don't want But he'll let you he'll let it. Yes. He's so kind about it. Like he could have stopped. He could have shut it down way earlier. You know what I'm saying? And so like Adam's so happy telling me what to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll just I'll just keep I'll keep listening to him even though I totally disagree. Like he's just like he'll do that, right? And of course he's he's he's remodeling his house right now.

And so I have lots of opinions, right? On like like like Cuz you love it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So you should do this, you should do that, you should do this. And of course Doug always Yeah. Yeah. It's not You know what I'm saying? And I'll keep pushing. You know what I'm saying? Cuz you know my personality, right? Keep I'll keep pushing and keep pushing yet. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Like hey, you do that. You do. keep pushing that direction until finally he goes, "Adam, I don't want to do that." You know what I'm saying?

I'm doing this, right? So, that sets the table for how why this dream would even kind of happen like that. So, I have this dream and uh I'm I'm just I keep trying to egg doug on about his garage and you guys I don't know if you have you guys seen this place. place. place. Yeah. So, he's So, he's got a really nice garage. Like I'm very jealy, right? So he's got like a garage that could fit like six plus cars inside it. So it's really big.

And so of course I have all kinds of opinions on on [clears throat] what he should do with his garage. And that's what's happening in the dream is I'm telling him like you and he's constantly like and he's going through this like where I could tell he's like listening to me and then finally Adam I don't I don't want to do that. And then he takes me over to the garage and then he opens the garage and it's this huge again this huge like six acre garage acre garage acre garage and it's it's the whole outside is completely lined with bunk beds like and and I can see what he's doing.

He's like he and you know how you also if you you the audiences know like Doug's very undercover about stuff, right? We always tease him about he's like finding something out. Yeah, exactly. He's always doing something that we don't know about or he's got some some thing he's working on. Yeah, exactly. Some hobby or some some tax strategy he's got or he's not we don't know about. Doug's doing, right? And so he's and it's kind of one of those moments where he's like unveiling it to me, right?

And I'm like, what is this? And he's like, I'm going to rent all these beds out for Yeah. Yeah. For for 200 bucks a month. Like it's like super low, like cheap because but there's like think I imagine there bunk beds in this huge thing. It was like 30, you know what I'm saying, that are in here. And he's and he's breaking the math down to me and calculating how it covers the mortgage plus and over. And so that's what's happening in the garage. garage. garage.

And I'm like, you know me, I get mad cuz he didn't let me in on the investment idea. You know what I'm saying? Like, damn, that is a good idea. So that was it was exactly what I want. 30 people living. It was such a It was so never would happen, but I have no idea where that came from or why it was, but it felt so real. It felt so real because I'd been over his place so many times and it is like me typically trying to do that.

I've already felt that energy from him and me trying to tell him what to do with his house and him telling me like, "Adam, that's not what I'm going to do this, you know." And so it was just like that. And he opens the garage door and there's bunk beds lined all the way around. I'm like, "What is this?" Wow. Wow. Wow. He's like, "Listen, I'm going to rent these out for two. I can still park cars in there, too." You're doing the math in your head like that.

that. that. Yeah. Oh my god. 10 grand. Yeah. He's then he calculates it out to me and I'm just like, "Oh my god, that's brilliant." brilliant." brilliant." And then I'm mad like he doesn't let me in. Like, why didn't you tell me? Why did you tell me? We could have we could have went in on this together. I would have helped you. Yes, dude. It sounds like an How is the remodel going, Doug? It was going. It's a slower than anticipated process. anticipated process. anticipated process.

And isn't it always? It always is with remodels, right? remodels, right? remodels, right? Just expect that. But it's starting to take form, which is exciting. exciting. exciting. Nice. And you're already staying there and everything. and everything. and everything. Oh, no, I'm not. No, there's no floors or anything. or anything. or anything. Oh, yeah. No, he's not staying there. You can't stay there. How long until you go stay there? That's a great question. I don't know the answer. I'm I mean, it's looking more like August, September.

I mean, if I if all goes well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Have you met neighbors? I have some of them. Yeah. Nice people. Oh, I don't think I asked you that. If you've met your neighbors, I've met like three different neighbors so far. so far. so far. All right, dude. It's exciting, man. Our place cookware is made with intention. completely free of forever chemicals. So, forever chemicals are often found in non-stick cookware. These are chemicals that get in your body and they don't go away. And studies show a lot of these chemicals have hormone-like effects on the body and have been connected to chronic disease.

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over $135. over $135. Go check them out. Go to fromourplace.com, use the code mind pumpump at checkout, get 10% off. Back to the show. First question is from Chris Jones, WMXC. WMXC. WMXC. Are step-ups a good substitute for squats? squats? squats? No. No. No. No different exercise. Yeah, different good great exercise. It's a great movement. Underrated. Yeah, Underrated. Yeah, Underrated. Yeah, I think it's super underrated. I think it's extremely functional. Uh it's not like this huge muscle builder, but it's great for stability. It's great for balance, lots of carryover into the regular world.

Step-ups for me as a trainer were a staple exercise of my I'm glad you said that and brought this up because we actually don't talk about step-ups a lot. Not that much. And the irony of that is I actually did it with almost all of my clients. It was one of my staple programmed it all the time. Yeah. So that's it's we in fact we should probably do a little more talking about uh how valuable stepups are because we don't talk yet. I know that about all of us is that that is a step-ups were a staple exercise for clients and so it is an important movement that you should do.

I think it just gets overshadowed often by like the big muscle builder. Yeah. People are trying to build muscle and it's not something you bring in that conversation very often. No. No. But hey, look, I tell you what. Uh it's a great there's two different ways you could use this if you are into muscle building. So, if you're someone that likes to squat heavy, train hard, it's a great way to warm up the body. It is a great way to do that because the stability involved, the the the depth that you start from.

So, you can do step-ups, then go to your barbell squats. It's also a great finisher for people who want more of a pump, you can make it glute focused, you can make it more quad focused, depending on where you place your foot. Um, but functionally speaking, it's like uh I mean, it's easily a top for me, huge functional value. For me, like of all the leg exercises I had my clients do, it's top five in terms of frequency of of how much I Well, another reason why that is is uh the ability to regress and progress it is really nice.

Totally. You could take you could take a client who is really deconditioned and you could put them on a tiny little step up to a balance and then they can go up, you know, a couple weeks later to double that step up to a balance and then you just keep progressing that client then eventually load it and then it's like I mean there's a there's it's a very nice exercise to but somebody who can who can squat is de like barbell back like the reason why I would do that with a lot of clients is those clients also couldn't do a barbell back squat, right?

And so this was a good progression to get them strong enough to where we could go do barbell back squats. Um I wouldn't call it a substitute for that though. I mean you would [clears throat] you no very different movement. Next question is from Karen Eso. My 13-year-old son will be training for his soccer season this summer twice and wants to incorporate strength training. What program would be best for him to start with? start with? start with? Great question. And so if he's in season, not very much.

So, if he's doing a lot of practice, uh, like one day a week, a few lifts is perfectly fine. Off season, so long as he can perform the lifts, uh, properly, uh, maps anabolic would be good. Or if he's just getting started, brand new, never done it before, he could use our suspension trainer program, uh, MAP suspension. Um, he could use, uh, you know, even even if he gets experienced powerlift. Here's the thing about kids. There's this misconception with strength training in kids um and how it may be dangerous or whatever.

A lot of the first off, a lot of the strength gains that kids get from strength training are neuromuscular, which is good. It's very good. Uh neuromuscular strength gains are great. Um and they also build muscle and it also improves their athletic performance. The the challenge is with athletes, with young athletes, because uh a lot of the the teenage kids that start strength training are also athletes at the same time. um is not overdoing it and placing too much emphasis on it uh because it takes away from the practice of those.

Yeah. emphasizing that propriceptive ability and and you know strength in different planes. Uh you know just so too like it it better places them cuz their their body is going to be in all kinds of with sports especially is going to expose a lot of like rotation, a lot of like lateral movement, a lot of things that you know within you know the gym setting you can strengthen those um those particular planes of of motion. So that way at least like your uh joints don't take on all the force and you can your muscles can get involved and react uh you know and adapt appropriately.

But yeah like simple for kids like what I found it's I I I usually lean more towards the 15 programs to be honest. Oh 15 performance. Uh yeah, just because of the the amount of volume like I've like to to really just focus in on, you know, one skill at a time and then kind of move to the next and they see that strength gain. Uh it really helps to kind of uh prepare them and then get them um you know like uh get those wins in and see that progression.

Um and and they're already moving around so much with their sport and their practice to begin with. So I I I I love that minimalist approach. I would go to Sanders. You know, to be honest, the the 13-year-old part is the least important part of the question because uh how I would start somebody whether they're 13 or 40 is at what level skill level they are at training. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. And if this person is if this 13-year-old has never lifted weights, never done anything, then a minimalist approach is a no-brainer.

One or two lifts, get proficient at them, get good, practice the lifts. That's the advice. um it's the inseason or out of season is the most important piece of this of like how much would we allow them to do that or not do that because they're already doing so much and just throwing a bunch of weight training on top of somebody who's you know playing sport 5 days a week is is a lot and so and you're you're risking injury more than anything else. else. else.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But there a 40-year-old that's never lifted weights before um you're you're going to regress them the same way you would a 13-year-old. they're going to do something that is very entry level starter or a 15 minimalist type of of program and then and progress them. But the the the soccer how much they're playing if in season out season is really dictates like how much programming this person should or shouldn't have. shouldn't have. shouldn't have. Next question is from Shall We Fitness? What do you guys think about all these influencers pushing the narrative that you have to drop heavy barbell lifts after 40?

after 40? after 40? It's I know saying that. So, here's here are the here's the category of people that need to be careful with heavy lifting. There's two categories. One, the person that doesn't have good technique or control. Two, the advanced lifter who's really strong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where getting stronger is not worth the risk. risk. risk. Yeah. The benefits are minimal at that point. point. point. That's right. Uh so, if you have good technique, good form, you're not in the category of like you're hitting crazy numbers, like go for it.

Uh, but like you're starting to get really really strong and you know for yourself if you've been lifting for three years like man this is a like a heavy weight for me. Pushing more strength sometimes isn't worth the risk and there's other ways to improve without always adding weight to the bar. And then back to what I said earlier like if you're if you don't have good technique or control you have no business going heavier. You got to work on that first. Yeah. when we get asked about uh a general question like this, influencers saying this thing and and a general statement like that, I'd always like to see a clip of what you're referring to because [clears throat] I could also if if I was playing devil's advocate and I was trying to to support this argument, I could also support it support it support it uh to the kind of the angle that S was starting to go.

Um I've let go of a lot of really heavy barbell deadlifting and squatting. Uh it just doesn't serve me. I'm in I'm I'm not trying to build any more than I build it. I don't have to move that much weight. Uh you know, 225 to 315 on the bar when I'm when I'm deadlifting or squatting is plenty of weight to uh sustain my strength in my legs and the look that I like. And so pushing those numbers much higher is what I would consider really heavy.

So I consider what I'm lifting uh very moderate or even light. Um, so it's relative to what your strength abilities are and have you worked up to that. So I'd be really interesting to see the this clip of someone saying that because I can get behind that. Uh, my own advice to myself is like, Adam, let go of, you know, chasing the 400 plus pound squat. Let go of being over 500 lb deadlift. I don't need to do do that. It's at my age, you know what?

I should do more of more mobility work and more stuff like that. And so I I I have I haven't earned the right to even be pushing those types of numbers. And so I could see giving that advice to myself. But then I would never want to discourage somebody who is just getting into strength training even if they're in their 40s because heavy to them could be 185. That's the thing is relative. That's what I mean. So yeah. So yeah. So yeah. So that's why I want to see a clip of what are we talking about?

Just cuz you're 40. generalizing this just I wouldn't put a general statement out there like that because even when we're looking at like programming for 40 plus for instance we're looking at riskreward and like what we could get in terms of like strength and something like so if I'm just shifting my focus of just the deadlift to now a trap bar deadlift you know because of I've trained for so long to to the point where I've built up you know uh all this strength where like my joints are actually getting impacted a bit more like that's where I'm going to start shifting more into the less risk, but it's like it all determines like the person, what their experience is.

To make it less speculative, I'll say this. If you just started strength training now and you're consistent for the first couple years, just get [clears throat] stronger. Just get stronger. For the first couple years, getting stronger is what's going to give you the best everything. Which, by the way, requires heavy lifting on the barbell. That's right. That's right. That's what I mean. After that, relative to you, because that's what I mean. It's less speculative because what's heavy for one is not so heavy for another. But for a good two years, just your goal should just be get strong.

Get strong and be balanced and be appropriate. Don't be stupid. But just get strong. That'll give you the best everything. After that, then you can start to play the game of like risk versus reward. But you got a good couple years of strength. I mean, did you see the This is why I wanted to see it. Did you see Did you see the clip that Doug pulled right there? Of course, that guy would say stop. That's that I mean, look at him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's definitely lifted heavy lifting for decades.

You know what I'm saying? And now he's saying, "Don't do that." Well, okay. Yeah, that makes sense because you've for 30 years you've probably lifted heavy and built a tremendous amount of muscle. That's right. And so you could cut your weight in half after 40 and not barbell back squat and still have a great physique and be strong and all those things, but he I tell you right now, he certainly didn't get there not heavy lifting. lifting. lifting. That's right. That's right. That's right. Worked your way up.

So you got to be So there there's there's nuance to a statement like that. And but so instead of us just hammering it one way saying I disagree. It's like well I can make the case for why that guy would say that or why I would say that. But I I wouldn't just say general advice to like that to people who are cuz somebody who is 39 40 and they're just getting into barbell lifting and they see a clip like that and they're like oh shoot you know should I not put any more weight on the bar because or should I stop doing this barbell back squatting even though I'm getting stronger and it's feeling right.

It feel it's like no, it's like that's keep going. But yeah, if you put on that much muscle and you're you're in your 40s and you're already lifting three 400 plus pounds in these lifts, like yeah, there's not a lot of reward anymore for you after 40 and and that much muscle. Next question is from preacherman Joe. Do you have any crazy gym stories or experiences you witnessed working as a trainer? trainer? trainer? There's so many. Oh my god, so many. You know which Okay, so I have like our old episodes.

What direction you want to go? I have so I have a few that pop up. So I can I'll let me pick the first. So first one was the gnarliest uh injury I'd ever seen in my entire life was managing the 24 in Hillsdale and there was a dude lifting and uh he unrackcked one side of the incline without the other one and so the barbell flipped. He blocked it with his forearm and I've never seen this s until then and since broke his arm and his bone was sticking out.

sticking out. sticking out. Like you've ever have you ever seen someone broke an arm sticking out? I have one time. I've seen a leg like that. I've never seen an arm like that, bro. It was sticking out and it was Yeah, it was sticking out of his forearm and blood was going and we're like calling an ambulance right away, dude. And like what do I do? I'll I'll never forget that because that was was was I'll give you my last we can make a whole episode obviously of hours of this conversation because we've been in the industry for so long.

Gyms are entertaining. Yeah, I'll give you the Yeah, I'll give you the last one. The last one I remember when I was still working in the gyms. Uh I don't know if I've actually told this story or told you guys a story. Uh this there was this uh heavy set lady. She was probably three 300 plus pounds at least. Uh maybe like 350 plus. Uh and uh she was on like some sort of crystal [clears throat] meth or something crazy like super super So she was high in the gym.

Very very high in the gym. And she was doing all kinds of weird movements in exercise and talking out loud and everything like that. And I remember we had we had actually called the police cuz we we're trying to get her to stop using the equipment the way she was doing it. We had the um we had the uh hammerstring chest press machine that was facing the mirror which was like uh if you can imagine the mirror is only about I don't know four three three feet from the from the machine so you can see yourself yourself yourself and she was holding the handles and she was walking her feet up the mirror holding yeah 300 some walking her feet up the mirror while she's just doing weird stuff like that and so the meth is a hell of a joke yeah cops and fire fire department fire department showed up and uh was trying to get her to come come over so they could kind of assess her and she was like running away from them and they're like trying to chase her through the gym and she runs into the wet area and then she jumps into the sauna and they're like trying to get her to come out.

She starts taking all her clothes off. Oh my god. And then they're like they're trying to like and then like they're like standing around. No, none of them want to get wet and get in there. You know what I'm saying? And try and wrestle this girl at that. So they keep trying and then when they step towards this the this the spa the jacuzzi as if they were going to get in she would go underwater and she was like like like oh so she was in the jacuzzi.

Yeah she was in the jacuzzi or did I say yeah I meant jacuzzi and she'd get in the jacuzzi and so she'd dive under she dive underneath and hold her breath for a while and then she bought back up. Oh my god. And so yeah it took a really long time before these guys finally got someone like that out. Uh I can't remember how they finally got her to I think they finally just coerced her to come out and that they just need they just wanted to check on her and see if she's okay.

lifeguard looking she was she was obviously very very high um but the things that she was doing for her size I was like whoa so I don't know what kind of drug that she I never found out like PCP like PCP like PCP yeah she was on I was hear things about PC she was on something that was unique that I had never [clears throat] seen before and I'd seen people on crystal meth I said it's crystal meth but I it was something probably like PCV cuz the stuff that she was doing was like wa I can't believe she's doing that human yeah and and I remember when it happening that we you couldn't help but watch for a little bit.

You know, when it first you're like it's like that's not good. That's dangerous. And then when it got to the point what obviously the cops got called when she started walking up the mirror and and and a whole suspending herself like that, I was like, "Oh god, we we got to get this lady out of here." Like and so yeah, you [clears throat] know, you know this story. I I mean I was there when this happened and we all reviewed the footage of it later. Uh but I was actually walking on my way out.

I just finished up training clients and all that. Shotgun guy. Shotgun guy. Shotgun guy. The shotgun guy. He comes in. Yeah. He he comes in and I think he was wearing a coat. Um and was looking around and was like very, you know, angry looking and and looking up over. Was he looking for his wife? He was looking for his wife. Oh my gosh. Because she was supposedly there with either gym partner or another trainer. I don't remember which. But um he was looking over and then he pulls his gun out and that's when I was like opening the door and I look back and I'm like oh god like like hustle out of there.

Uh and then and then and then just I'm out. I'm out. We'll see you later. Tell me what happened. Just like pointing it around and then finally they convinced him to leave. I guess they called cops and everything. He was really calm. I was in my office and uh I when I by the time I had seen him, he had already walked in and he actually had the the shotgun resting on his shoulder and he was talking to my front desk girl and I look up from my eyes.

What the [ __ ] Like there's a dude at the front desk with a shotgun over his shoulder and I see him talking to my like what do I do? Wrestle it out? Actually get shot? Yeah. Like I mean it it would have been probably scarier if he was like pointing it at someone or he looked already. He actually looked really calm, but he was like asking for is so and so. He's like asking the front desk girl and she's like, "I can't just give you someone's personal information like that." So, and he was trying to get her to give give up if she was Dude, that's terrifying.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize what was happening like and I came back and then we started watching the film in there and it was like you could see like I just kind of looked at him like, "Oh my god." god." god." He eventually just walked out on his own. Like we didn't have to throw him out or anything like that. I think we ended up telling him like, "She's not here, dude. Sorry, she's not here." And we had at the Sunnyale location before they redid it.

This is um Club 506. Shout out. There was this big He was probably in his 40s, so I'm like 20 at the time. Uh biker, so like big biker dude, big white dude, uh braids, you know, like like ponytail type of deal. And he's walking around in the wet area. So back at the old Sunnyvil, you could see the pool from the front desk. There was like a window and you kind of look in there. And he was angry and threatening people. So he might have I don't know if he was on drugs.

Didn't seem like it, but he was like threatening people. So people came out. One of the things that sucks about being a manager in a gym is you got to deal with the stuff. So you can't just be like, "Call the manager." Like, "Oh crap, that's me." So he was like threatening people and members were coming out like there's a guy in there who like is threat threatening and he's aggressive and whatever. So I'm like, "Oh man, I got to deal with this." So I look in the window and he's this big dude, big biker dude.

So I'm like, "Oh, this sucks." So I walk in there and I'm like, "Let me assess it before I call the police." I'm like, "Hey man, what's going on?" and he started kind of yelling at me and I don't know where I came up with this idea. It's one of the most brilliant things I' ever done my life. So you tell him to step outside, bro. My whole staff saw this. They they just thought I was the smartest dude ever. So he's talking to me getting all like aggressive and I'm like, "Look, man." I said, "Do you want to step outside with me?

Do you want to you want to handle this outside?" He's like, "Yeah, I do." I said, "After you." So I do this. do this. do this. He walks out the front door and I lock it. And he turns around. He looks at me through the front door and he figures out I locked the door. And then I waved at him. They called blow him a kiss. Yeah, dude. And my staff was like, "That was the smartest thing ever." I'm like, "Thank God." Pretty smart. Thank god he walked out for We had another guy that was uh went naked.

So they co-ed uh dry sauna and this was uh Selenus when I ran this first club I ever ran. This is like week two. So this is like a great introduction to be a manager. The people come out like there's a dude that's naked. So it's co-et. He's like there's a guy that's just naked in there in the sauna. Yeah. So, I'm like, "Oh, what do I I'm like, what do I do?" So, I walk over there. I look through the window and there's a dude just stand no one's in there but him.

And he's just standing there buck naked. And I'm looking at him and I go to open the door and he starts to pee. to pee. to pee. Wow. Wow. Wow. He's just standing there while he's starting to pee. And so, I was like I just walked out and called the cops like deal with this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What am I going to do? I already tell you guys the uh little little little Asian guy, the swimmer that I had to address that guy. that I had to address that guy.

So, so I get a complaint for So, so I get a complaint for like to your point, the manager, right? Was this the speedo guy that was doing curls in front of me? No, no, no, not that guy. Although that guy was I remember that story, too. This guy. So, I get I get someone come up to me like, "Adam, can you come talk to this guy? He's he's about his uh attire." attire." attire." I said, "Hisire attire? What's wrong with his tire?" He's like, "Well, he's he's swimming in the in the in the pool and I don't think he's wearing appropriate attire." And I'm like, I'm like, "What is he wearing?

Jeans or something like whatever." So, I come walking out there and he's at this point he's at the end of the pool and he's getting he's coming towards me, you know, he's got his cap on, know, he's got his cap on, goggles. He looks pretty legit to me. And I I kneel down, I squat down to see him coming. As he gets closer, I start to notice and I can just see butt cheeks. cheeks. cheeks. He's got a thong on. He's he's wearing a thong and older guy, you know what I'm saying?

And I'm sitting away from pop to pop up. Hey, man. I said, "Hey, can I can I talk to you for a second?" You got to cover them cheeks up, man. Yeah. I said, "Hey, you know, can I get you to maybe put on a different out a different outfit or something like that?" I said, "Some of the members would come up to me and complain about your your swim attire." So guy, he he looked confused as if it was totally appropriate and okay. And so he was nice.

It was real real easy handle. So it was just like faster in these though. The things that people think are appropriate, you know? I told I told you guys about the the like sometimes you'll find uh like poop in the bathroom on the floor or something like that. Isn't that an uncommon thing in gyms? It's pretty gross. gross. gross. Yeah. But one time people like waffle stomping stop. I know. One time I was running the club and uh bad timing. It was bad timing because we're about to shut down about to shut the books down.

It's probably like 11 maybe 10:30. My porter had just left. So we're the next porter is going to show up. I don't know like an hour later. Okay. Cuz otherwise I member comes out like dude somebody dropped made a poop in the shower. And I'm like oh cuz the porter left. I'm like I got to deal with it dude. I'm the manager. Yeah. manager. Yeah. manager. Yeah. So, I took my sales guy who was about to go home like, "You're not leaving, Chris. I need your help.

Come with me." So, we go in there in the shower and there's just a a poop next to the drain. And I'm like, again, I'm a kid, dude. I'm like 20. So, I'm like, what do I do? Like, do how do I get like rid of this? Like, do I just like wall it off? I'm like, wait, like, wait, like, wait, grab this thing. So, I had the brilliant 20-year-old S idea of I'm going to get the hose and blast it down the drain. Yes, that's that's logical, right?

You blast the wall. So, now Chris is steady over here. Oh, God. Listen, listen. He's standing over there and I just start spraying this thing down like, you know, I get it all down and then I made a wall. Okay, Porter is going to come clean it and I look at Chris. I'm like, "Oh, man. I'm sorry, bro. You got speckles all over here." Oh, bro, that's gross. I'm sorry, bro. You got speckles on your I don't know if that's He was so bad. Oh, that's nasty.

I don't know if that's grosser. The guy I had to throw out of the jacuzzi uh for shaving. shaving. shaving. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He would rinse his razor. Yeah. Just someone again, someone comes up to me, Adam, can you come talk to uh this member? They're they're shaving in the jacuzzi. And I'm like, they're shaving in the jacuzzi. Didn't even make didn't even make logical sense to me. Like, what didn't? And I come in, this guy's by himself in the jacuzzi, and he's rinsing his blade off as he's sitting in their hot tub and shaving his beard.

I'm just like his hairs are floating. It's like he's hygiene m. I mean, the things that people would do and just think that it's okay and appropriate. Like, what? Have you had to kick out like [ __ ] out of the shower? That's a problem. Yeah. I That's way more common than it should be. It's so, you know, unfortunately common. What sucks about it is what do you do? How do you catch the person? So, I've had reports and then you go in there, there's always somebody coming up to tell you about it and you're like, and you can't do anything cuz what are you going to do?

You got to catch them in the act type of deal. Well, I caught someone. I had a member tell me and I'm like, "Oh, god." Okay. So I walk I walk in there in there in there and there and he obviously stopped, but he obviously just stopped because he was aroused. aroused. aroused. So I see him. He sees me and he turns around real quick. So I'm like So I'm talking to his back. I'm like, "Hey, uh, when you're done showering, showering, showering, I need you to come to the front desk and and talk with me." Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So then he comes up. He's like, "Hey, what's up, man?" I'm like, "Listen, dude. I knew you were doing the shower. You impressed. You impressed. You impressed. I wasn't doing anything." I'm like, "You were doing something, dude. I can tell you I'm going to cancel your membership." So you you can complain to the corporate office, bro. Oh, that was the worst. Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Don't do that. We got a lot of stories. Look, if you like the show, and I know you love it now, come check us out on Instagram.

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I think it was probably almost 10 years in when I started to just focus on this with clients. I knew it was important, but I don't know how important. Yeah, I also did. I knew what was important and but I also