SS-31 Peptide Benefits: Why Ben Pakulski Says This Is the Most Exciting Peptide | Mind Pump 2912

Well, Ben, welcome back to the show, Well, Ben, welcome back to the show, dude. It's been a while, man. dude. It's been a while, man. dude. It's been a while, man. >> You guys have come a long way. We've >> You guys have come a long way. We've >> You guys have come a long way. We've missed you. Yeah, man. It's awesome to missed you. Yeah, man. It's awesome to missed you. Yeah, man. It's awesome to see how far you guys have come and yet see how far you guys have come and yet see how far you guys have come and yet you're still the same. you're still the same. you're still the same. >> Yeah, I appreciate that's a that's a >> Yeah, I appreciate that's a that's a >> Yeah, I appreciate that's a that's a that's a compliment, actually, that's a compliment, actually, that's a compliment, actually, especially from someone like you. I love especially from someone like you. I love especially from someone like you. I love watching your stuff. You're one of the watching your stuff. You're one of the watching your stuff. You're one of the smartest people out there. Definitely smartest people out there. Definitely smartest people out there. Definitely the smartest bodybuilder, but I said one the smartest bodybuilder, but I said one the smartest bodybuilder, but I said one of the smartest people cuz I just say of the smartest people cuz I just say of the smartest people cuz I just say smartest bodybuilder. [laughter] smartest bodybuilder. [laughter] smartest bodybuilder. [laughter] >> Was that a lot? >> Was that a lot? >> Was that a lot? >> It doesn't mean much. >> It doesn't mean much. >> It doesn't mean much. >> I think so. >> I think so. >> I think so. >> But, uh, definitely smart. >> But, uh, definitely smart. >> But, uh, definitely smart. >> Got to get the job in. [laughter] >> Got to get the job in. [laughter] >> Got to get the job in. [laughter] >> Got to get the job. But definitely one >> Got to get the job. But definitely one >> Got to get the job. But definitely one of the smartest people out there and uh of the smartest people out there and uh of the smartest people out there and uh since the last time we talked, a lot has since the last time we talked, a lot has since the last time we talked, a lot has changed in our space. Uh when we first changed in our space. Uh when we first changed in our space. Uh when we first met, which was a while ago, uh the like met, which was a while ago, uh the like met, which was a while ago, uh the like the the use of peptides, the science the the use of peptides, the science the the use of peptides, the science around peptides, uh and just these new around peptides, uh and just these new around peptides, uh and just these new interventions were fringe. They were interventions were fringe. They were interventions were fringe. They were kind of fringe. Uh we talked about it a kind of fringe. Uh we talked about it a kind of fringe. Uh we talked about it a little bit off air um back then. I little bit off air um back then. I little bit off air um back then. I remember you and I actually had a remember you and I actually had a remember you and I actually had a conversation. Um and now it's like all conversation. Um and now it's like all conversation. Um and now it's like all over the place. It's like like a big over the place. It's like like a big over the place. It's like like a big deal. So I'd like to start there with deal. So I'd like to start there with deal. So I'd like to start there with you uh with how you feel about that you uh with how you feel about that you uh with how you feel about that whole space of peptides and what you're whole space of peptides and what you're whole space of peptides and what you're seeing and how they're working with seeing and how they're working with seeing and how they're working with people and and some of the research that people and and some of the research that people and and some of the research that you've seen around them. It's it's the you've seen around them. It's it's the you've seen around them. It's it's the greatest um opportunity in in greatest um opportunity in in greatest um opportunity in in performance that exists and a really performance that exists and a really performance that exists and a really scary thing at the same time I think scary thing at the same time I think scary thing at the same time I think because the possibility within peptides because the possibility within peptides because the possibility within peptides uh of healing of improving performance uh of healing of improving performance uh of healing of improving performance of eradicating potential illness and of eradicating potential illness and of eradicating potential illness and disease is like nothing else with disease is like nothing else with disease is like nothing else with minimal side effects. However, with the minimal side effects. However, with the minimal side effects. However, with the current landscape that we're in, I current landscape that we're in, I current landscape that we're in, I believe a [snorts] lot of people are believe a [snorts] lot of people are believe a [snorts] lot of people are going to hurt themselves because the going to hurt themselves because the going to hurt themselves because the unregulated nature of these things, like unregulated nature of these things, like unregulated nature of these things, like I forget the exact percentage, but I forget the exact percentage, but I forget the exact percentage, but something like 90 to 93% of these things something like 90 to 93% of these things something like 90 to 93% of these things are coming in from China. [snorts] And are coming in from China. [snorts] And are coming in from China. [snorts] And we have no idea what's coming in. So, we have no idea what's coming in. So, we have no idea what's coming in. So, like if it's the peptide itself that like if it's the peptide itself that like if it's the peptide itself that we're administering, you're probably we're administering, you're probably we're administering, you're probably going to get a lot of great benefits, going to get a lot of great benefits, going to get a lot of great benefits, but we don't know if there's long-term but we don't know if there's long-term but we don't know if there's long-term negative effects. We don't know if negative effects. We don't know if negative effects. We don't know if there's other toxins coming with that, there's other toxins coming with that, there's other toxins coming with that, your LPS, your heavy metals. So, like your LPS, your heavy metals. So, like your LPS, your heavy metals. So, like I'm super cautious with people. Like I'm I'm super cautious with people. Like I'm I'm super cautious with people. Like I'm not someone who's going to get behind it not someone who's going to get behind it not someone who's going to get behind it and say, "Hey, everyone should be taking and say, "Hey, everyone should be taking and say, "Hey, everyone should be taking peptides until you know the source for peptides until you know the source for peptides until you know the source for sure." Like I very at least start there. sure." Like I very at least start there. sure." Like I very at least start there. Most people buying these research use Most people buying these research use Most people buying these research use only peptides. I just can't advocate for only peptides. I just can't advocate for only peptides. I just can't advocate for it, man. Like unless I know exactly it, man. Like unless I know exactly it, man. Like unless I know exactly where it's coming from and I know that I where it's coming from and I know that I where it's coming from and I know that I can I can follow supply chain. I know can I can follow supply chain. I know can I can follow supply chain. I know the API is great because, you know, I've the API is great because, you know, I've the API is great because, you know, I've actually studied this a lot way more actually studied this a lot way more actually studied this a lot way more than I care to talk about. And uh than I care to talk about. And uh than I care to talk about. And uh there's a lot of places where it can there's a lot of places where it can there's a lot of places where it can break down in the supply chain cuz break down in the supply chain cuz break down in the supply chain cuz everyone wants to cut corners. And in in everyone wants to cut corners. And in in everyone wants to cut corners. And in in the peptide space, you're getting a lot the peptide space, you're getting a lot the peptide space, you're getting a lot of weird people. A lot of like these of weird people. A lot of like these of weird people. A lot of like these people are are like they like to live on people are are like they like to live on people are are like they like to live on the fringe, you know, not not the people the fringe, you know, not not the people the fringe, you know, not not the people using it, but the people who own the using it, but the people who own the using it, but the people who own the companies. So like they're they're companies. So like they're they're companies. So like they're they're looking for ways to cut corners. They're looking for ways to cut corners. They're looking for ways to cut corners. They're looking for ways to to make more money. looking for ways to to make more money. looking for ways to to make more money. And I'm like, you know, if you're paying And I'm like, you know, if you're paying And I'm like, you know, if you're paying $7 for a bottle of something from China, $7 for a bottle of something from China, $7 for a bottle of something from China, like how good do you think it possibly like how good do you think it possibly like how good do you think it possibly is, right? So the average bottle costs is, right? So the average bottle costs is, right? So the average bottle costs from, you know, you'll know this if you from, you know, you'll know this if you from, you know, you'll know this if you see any Chinese suppliers between $7 and see any Chinese suppliers between $7 and see any Chinese suppliers between $7 and $15. $15. $15. >> The margins are crazy what they're >> The margins are crazy what they're >> The margins are crazy what they're making. making. making. >> So I could give you 10 suppliers right >> So I could give you 10 suppliers right >> So I could give you 10 suppliers right now in China that are between $7 and now in China that are between $7 and now in China that are between $7 and $15. They're charging one to 300 online $15. They're charging one to 300 online $15. They're charging one to 300 online in research use only and you're like, in research use only and you're like, in research use only and you're like, how good could this be? You know, so I'm how good could this be? You know, so I'm how good could this be? You know, so I'm I'm um cautious but incredibly I'm um cautious but incredibly I'm um cautious but incredibly optimistic about the whole space. I'm optimistic about the whole space. I'm optimistic about the whole space. I'm I'm a massive fan of specific peptides I'm a massive fan of specific peptides I'm a massive fan of specific peptides and I'd love to get into those, but I and I'd love to get into those, but I and I'd love to get into those, but I also want to start off with like I don't also want to start off with like I don't also want to start off with like I don't want to just make it sound like a want to just make it sound like a want to just make it sound like a panacea because it's not. I have a panacea because it's not. I have a panacea because it's not. I have a client who got heavy metal uh toxicity client who got heavy metal uh toxicity client who got heavy metal uh toxicity from peptides. from peptides. from peptides. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He got uh like pretty severe mercury uh >> He got uh like pretty severe mercury uh >> He got uh like pretty severe mercury uh mercury and aluminum I think he had from mercury and aluminum I think he had from mercury and aluminum I think he had from he was using peptides. But the thing is he was using peptides. But the thing is he was using peptides. But the thing is with peptides you're not using one, with peptides you're not using one, with peptides you're not using one, right? You're using five, right? right? You're using five, right? right? You're using five, right? >> And I was like, man, and he didn't I >> And I was like, man, and he didn't I >> And I was like, man, and he didn't I don't know where they were coming from. don't know where they were coming from. don't know where they were coming from. This is before he started working with This is before he started working with This is before he started working with me. It's like, man, this is a big me. It's like, man, this is a big me. It's like, man, this is a big problem. So, yeah, I don't want to be problem. So, yeah, I don't want to be problem. So, yeah, I don't want to be the advocate that says everyone should the advocate that says everyone should the advocate that says everyone should be using them, although I hope in the be using them, although I hope in the be using them, although I hope in the future that that is the case and we're future that that is the case and we're future that that is the case and we're all getting them from great sources. all getting them from great sources. all getting them from great sources. >> How did he know he had heavy metal >> How did he know he had heavy metal >> How did he know he had heavy metal toxicity? Was it through testing or toxicity? Was it through testing or toxicity? Was it through testing or symptoms or both? symptoms or both? symptoms or both? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Did he have symptoms of uh heavy metal? >> Did he have symptoms of uh heavy metal? >> Did he have symptoms of uh heavy metal? >> Yeah. Again, this is prior to working >> Yeah. Again, this is prior to working >> Yeah. Again, this is prior to working with me. He came to me sort of like at with me. He came to me sort of like at with me. He came to me sort of like at the tail end of his uh diagnosis. So the tail end of his uh diagnosis. So the tail end of his uh diagnosis. So symptoms just like terrible low energy, symptoms just like terrible low energy, symptoms just like terrible low energy, um like hard time sleeping, gut issues, um like hard time sleeping, gut issues, um like hard time sleeping, gut issues, like uh diarrhea, like frequent um like uh diarrhea, like frequent um like uh diarrhea, like frequent um digestive distress. So like a lot of a digestive distress. So like a lot of a digestive distress. So like a lot of a lot of weird things happening in his lot of weird things happening in his lot of weird things happening in his body. body. body. >> And and you did the protocol. Uh oh, >> And and you did the protocol. Uh oh, >> And and you did the protocol. Uh oh, heavy metals. And was that the first heavy metals. And was that the first heavy metals. And was that the first place you looked the peptides? place you looked the peptides? place you looked the peptides? >> Uh he looked there. So he came to me >> Uh he looked there. So he came to me >> Uh he looked there. So he came to me when it was like cuz he had been tested when it was like cuz he had been tested when it was like cuz he had been tested maybe 6 or 12 months prior and he said maybe 6 or 12 months prior and he said maybe 6 or 12 months prior and he said he was all clean and then he did this he was all clean and then he did this he was all clean and then he did this extensive protocol with another coach extensive protocol with another coach extensive protocol with another coach and so Yeah. Wow. Which peptides are the and so Yeah. Wow. Which peptides are the and so Yeah. Wow. Which peptides are the most exciting? You said there were a few most exciting? You said there were a few most exciting? You said there were a few that you really like. that you really like. that you really like. >> Well, a lot of them, right? Um, a lot of >> Well, a lot of them, right? Um, a lot of >> Well, a lot of them, right? Um, a lot of them have the potential to be exciting. them have the potential to be exciting. them have the potential to be exciting. Um, you know, everyone knows the basic Um, you know, everyone knows the basic Um, you know, everyone knows the basic ones, your BPC, your TB, and I'm super ones, your BPC, your TB, and I'm super ones, your BPC, your TB, and I'm super excited about those. But the one that excited about those. But the one that excited about those. But the one that I'm sort of like most excited about I'm sort of like most excited about I'm sort of like most excited about right now, other than, you know, your right now, other than, you know, your right now, other than, you know, your your GLPs, like your um SS31, I don't your GLPs, like your um SS31, I don't your GLPs, like your um SS31, I don't know if you've tried it, but yeah, it's know if you've tried it, but yeah, it's know if you've tried it, but yeah, it's a remarkable product, remarkable a remarkable product, remarkable a remarkable product, remarkable supplement. Like brain benefits, energy supplement. Like brain benefits, energy supplement. Like brain benefits, energy benefits. Um, I've I've done quite a bit benefits. Um, I've I've done quite a bit benefits. Um, I've I've done quite a bit of a deep dive on on the research there of a deep dive on on the research there of a deep dive on on the research there and it's I know it just seems amazing to and it's I know it just seems amazing to and it's I know it just seems amazing to me. So, I know that one's going to be a me. So, I know that one's going to be a me. So, I know that one's going to be a pharmaceutical in short time. Um, but I pharmaceutical in short time. Um, but I pharmaceutical in short time. Um, but I think that one's a that one's a think that one's a that one's a think that one's a that one's a >> Which one is that one? >> Which one is that one? >> Which one is that one? >> So, it improves mitochondrial function. >> So, it improves mitochondrial function. >> So, it improves mitochondrial function. What's interesting about that one is so What's interesting about that one is so What's interesting about that one is so I've used both that and Matsi I've used both that and Matsi I've used both that and Matsi >> and I [clears throat] noticed Matsi. I >> and I [clears throat] noticed Matsi. I >> and I [clears throat] noticed Matsi. I did not notice the SS31. Uh, I don't did not notice the SS31. Uh, I don't did not notice the SS31. Uh, I don't remember what the dose was, but it was remember what the dose was, but it was remember what the dose was, but it was what was recommenire. what was recommenire. what was recommenire. >> Really? So, I actually I No, I did push >> Really? So, I actually I No, I did push >> Really? So, I actually I No, I did push it up. Uh if you if you know my it up. Uh if you if you know my it up. Uh if you if you know my [laughter] personality, I'll probably uh [laughter] personality, I'll probably uh [laughter] personality, I'll probably uh I don't remember what the dose was, but I don't remember what the dose was, but I don't remember what the dose was, but I do know I started pushing it because I do know I started pushing it because I do know I started pushing it because that's what they told me. that's what they told me. that's what they told me. >> But what's interesting is I've talked to >> But what's interesting is I've talked to >> But what's interesting is I've talked to other people and uh they will like one other people and uh they will like one other people and uh they will like one or the other better. or the other better. or the other better. >> I agree with you. >> I agree with you. >> I agree with you. >> And so now what what's going on there? >> And so now what what's going on there? >> And so now what what's going on there? Because they're diff they're both Because they're diff they're both Because they're diff they're both mitochondrial, you know, improving mitochondrial, you know, improving mitochondrial, you know, improving mitochondrial function, but they're mitochondrial function, but they're mitochondrial function, but they're totally different in what they're doing, totally different in what they're doing, totally different in what they're doing, right? right? right? >> Yep. Yep. So SS31, as you'll know, is >> Yep. Yep. So SS31, as you'll know, is >> Yep. Yep. So SS31, as you'll know, is repairing mitochondrial integrity, the repairing mitochondrial integrity, the repairing mitochondrial integrity, the cardiolipin molecules, um driving more cardiolipin molecules, um driving more cardiolipin molecules, um driving more energy through the system. And I think energy through the system. And I think energy through the system. And I think that one works better for people who that one works better for people who that one works better for people who have a little more damage to their have a little more damage to their have a little more damage to their system, a little maybe more accumulated system, a little maybe more accumulated system, a little maybe more accumulated stress. So I've got my dad on 10 stress. So I've got my dad on 10 stress. So I've got my dad on 10 milligrams three times a week and he's milligrams three times a week and he's milligrams three times a week and he's just seeing these remarkable benefits. just seeing these remarkable benefits. just seeing these remarkable benefits. My dad's 70 years old and has, you know, My dad's 70 years old and has, you know, My dad's 70 years old and has, you know, heart disease and bunch of other stuff. heart disease and bunch of other stuff. heart disease and bunch of other stuff. And so 10 milligrams a day is a And so 10 milligrams a day is a And so 10 milligrams a day is a relatively high dose. Um most people are relatively high dose. Um most people are relatively high dose. Um most people are going to start around two milligrams a going to start around two milligrams a going to start around two milligrams a day. And so most people most people I've day. And so most people most people I've day. And so most people most people I've given 2 milligrams a day recommendations given 2 milligrams a day recommendations given 2 milligrams a day recommendations to would say I don't feel much. You push to would say I don't feel much. You push to would say I don't feel much. You push it to five like I think I feel it to five like I think I feel it to five like I think I feel something. And at 10, which I'm not something. And at 10, which I'm not something. And at 10, which I'm not saying anyone should do by the way. saying anyone should do by the way. saying anyone should do by the way. >> Um most people are going to feel a >> Um most people are going to feel a >> Um most people are going to feel a difference. difference. difference. >> Okay? >> Okay? >> Okay? >> Uh especially cuz remember all the >> Uh especially cuz remember all the >> Uh especially cuz remember all the people I I'm talking to are men over 40. people I I'm talking to are men over 40. people I I'm talking to are men over 40. So by that point you got some So by that point you got some So by that point you got some accumulated damage mitochondria for accumulated damage mitochondria for accumulated damage mitochondria for sure. And the harder you push your body sure. And the harder you push your body sure. And the harder you push your body the more you're going to have. So with the more you're going to have. So with the more you're going to have. So with the M C again it could be a genetic the M C again it could be a genetic the M C again it could be a genetic thing. I don't know. Yeah. Um, we're thing. I don't know. Yeah. Um, we're thing. I don't know. Yeah. Um, we're still like in the early stages of still like in the early stages of still like in the early stages of looking at gene influences cuz it could looking at gene influences cuz it could looking at gene influences cuz it could just be something there. I don't know. just be something there. I don't know. just be something there. I don't know. But it seems to be driving more of the But it seems to be driving more of the But it seems to be driving more of the AMPK side. If you're not in a in ampk AMPK side. If you're not in a in ampk AMPK side. If you're not in a in ampk state, if you're in more of an mtor state, if you're in more of an mtor state, if you're in more of an mtor balance state, you may not feel the balance state, you may not feel the balance state, you may not feel the benefit of uh [snorts] Matzi from what I benefit of uh [snorts] Matzi from what I benefit of uh [snorts] Matzi from what I understand. understand. understand. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, um, way we're sort of thinking about >> So, um, way we're sort of thinking about >> So, um, way we're sort of thinking about Matzi at this point, at least the way Matzi at this point, at least the way Matzi at this point, at least the way I'm thinking about it is if I'm going to I'm thinking about it is if I'm going to I'm thinking about it is if I'm going to do days of extended fasting or do days of extended fasting or do days of extended fasting or intentionally being in chloric deficit, intentionally being in chloric deficit, intentionally being in chloric deficit, I'll take some Matsi. And it seems the I'll take some Matsi. And it seems the I'll take some Matsi. And it seems the research says that it's going to have research says that it's going to have research says that it's going to have better benefit when you're in a calorie better benefit when you're in a calorie better benefit when you're in a calorie depleted state. depleted state. depleted state. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Oh, interesting. >> Oh, interesting. >> Oh, interesting. >> And I remember you saying a while ago, >> And I remember you saying a while ago, >> And I remember you saying a while ago, you're like, "Yeah, a lot of people feel you're like, "Yeah, a lot of people feel you're like, "Yeah, a lot of people feel great on Matzi." You didn't notice much great on Matzi." You didn't notice much great on Matzi." You didn't notice much uh back then when you took it. uh back then when you took it. uh back then when you took it. >> No, I still don't. >> No, I still don't. >> No, I still don't. >> It's really interesting how some people >> It's really interesting how some people >> It's really interesting how some people react one way uh versus another. react one way uh versus another. react one way uh versus another. >> Like that, didn't you like? Yeah, I like >> Like that, didn't you like? Yeah, I like >> Like that, didn't you like? Yeah, I like the Matsi. I hadn't tried the other the Matsi. I hadn't tried the other the Matsi. I hadn't tried the other ones. 31 ones. 31 ones. 31 >> um for Matsi. >> um for Matsi. >> um for Matsi. >> I don't remember whatever the recommend. >> I don't remember whatever the recommend. >> I don't remember whatever the recommend. So, it's probably it's probably could be So, it's probably it's probably could be So, it's probably it's probably could be a could be a dosing thing. It could be a a could be a dosing thing. It could be a a could be a dosing thing. It could be a sourcing thing. Like, there's so much sourcing thing. Like, there's so much sourcing thing. Like, there's so much variance, man. So, what I've learned variance, man. So, what I've learned variance, man. So, what I've learned since studying this stuff, there's pH since studying this stuff, there's pH since studying this stuff, there's pH considerations, there's storage and considerations, there's storage and considerations, there's storage and transport considerations, mixing. So transport considerations, mixing. So transport considerations, mixing. So many considerations and you're like, we many considerations and you're like, we many considerations and you're like, we just don't know, right? Cuz if if you just don't know, right? Cuz if if you just don't know, right? Cuz if if you get a product that's been sitting on a get a product that's been sitting on a get a product that's been sitting on a shelf somewhere or it's even sitting in shelf somewhere or it's even sitting in shelf somewhere or it's even sitting in somebody's freezer for 6 to 12 months, somebody's freezer for 6 to 12 months, somebody's freezer for 6 to 12 months, nobody's done the testing to say like, nobody's done the testing to say like, nobody's done the testing to say like, is this thing because we're like, hey, is this thing because we're like, hey, is this thing because we're like, hey, we put in the freezer, it's good. we put in the freezer, it's good. we put in the freezer, it's good. Nobody's actually done the testing over Nobody's actually done the testing over Nobody's actually done the testing over 6 and 12 months to see is this thing 6 and 12 months to see is this thing 6 and 12 months to see is this thing actually going to still have the same actually going to still have the same actually going to still have the same level of uh integrity and efficacy after level of uh integrity and efficacy after level of uh integrity and efficacy after that amount of time. We think it does, that amount of time. We think it does, that amount of time. We think it does, but we don't know until somebody starts but we don't know until somebody starts but we don't know until somebody starts doing the testing. doing the testing. doing the testing. >> So, you're the perfect guy then to I I >> So, you're the perfect guy then to I I >> So, you're the perfect guy then to I I I'm so glad you're here cuz I love I'm so glad you're here cuz I love I'm so glad you're here cuz I love throwing uh things at people like you, throwing uh things at people like you, throwing uh things at people like you, just ideas. And so, I've been really just ideas. And so, I've been really just ideas. And so, I've been really interested in these uh myostatin interested in these uh myostatin interested in these uh myostatin inhibiting uh kind of pathways, right? inhibiting uh kind of pathways, right? inhibiting uh kind of pathways, right? Uh and there there's a lot of money Uh and there there's a lot of money Uh and there there's a lot of money going into it now because of the GLP going into it now because of the GLP going into it now because of the GLP >> u you know, drugs. uh we got this very >> u you know, drugs. uh we got this very >> u you know, drugs. uh we got this very powerful appetite suppressing weight powerful appetite suppressing weight powerful appetite suppressing weight loss um intervention, but of course the loss um intervention, but of course the loss um intervention, but of course the side effect of eating low calories and side effect of eating low calories and side effect of eating low calories and not strength training and all that stuff not strength training and all that stuff not strength training and all that stuff is muscle loss. So they're like how do is muscle loss. So they're like how do is muscle loss. So they're like how do we figure how do we fix this which you we figure how do we fix this which you we figure how do we fix this which you know it's a bunch of lift weights and know it's a bunch of lift weights and know it's a bunch of lift weights and eat a little more food but they're like eat a little more food but they're like eat a little more food but they're like what interventions can we implement? And what interventions can we implement? And what interventions can we implement? And so there's all this money now going into so there's all this money now going into so there's all this money now going into myostatin inhibition. Now the problem myostatin inhibition. Now the problem myostatin inhibition. Now the problem with that at least from what I see in with that at least from what I see in with that at least from what I see in the data is when they have uh animal the data is when they have uh animal the data is when they have uh animal studies where they inhibit myostatin not studies where they inhibit myostatin not studies where they inhibit myostatin not through gene knockout but rather through through gene knockout but rather through through gene knockout but rather through intervention is you see muscle growth intervention is you see muscle growth intervention is you see muscle growth but you don't see a proportional but you don't see a proportional but you don't see a proportional increase in athletic performance, increase in athletic performance, increase in athletic performance, endurance or strength. Part of that uh endurance or strength. Part of that uh endurance or strength. Part of that uh they think is mitochondrial density they think is mitochondrial density they think is mitochondrial density >> doesn't improve your so it's more muscle >> doesn't improve your so it's more muscle >> doesn't improve your so it's more muscle but it's not very good muscle or but it's not very good muscle or but it's not very good muscle or functional. So I I'm as I'm reading this functional. So I I'm as I'm reading this functional. So I I'm as I'm reading this section, actually, in fact, I was section, actually, in fact, I was section, actually, in fact, I was reading this this morning. I'm like, you reading this this morning. I'm like, you reading this this morning. I'm like, you know, I I bet you a good combination know, I I bet you a good combination know, I I bet you a good combination with that would be a MOT or SS31, a with that would be a MOT or SS31, a with that would be a MOT or SS31, a mitochondrial peptide to help with maybe mitochondrial peptide to help with maybe mitochondrial peptide to help with maybe those potential side effects of a those potential side effects of a those potential side effects of a mitochondrial inhibiting peptide. mitochondrial inhibiting peptide. mitochondrial inhibiting peptide. >> So do you recall what the data says >> So do you recall what the data says >> So do you recall what the data says around people just gaining muscle around people just gaining muscle around people just gaining muscle without training or is it like the the without training or is it like the the without training or is it like the the training response is heightened? training response is heightened? training response is heightened? >> No, they don't they just build muscle. >> No, they don't they just build muscle. >> No, they don't they just build muscle. So there there was there was one with So there there was there was one with So there there was there was one with chimps that was crazy. This is not a chimps that was crazy. This is not a chimps that was crazy. This is not a human study but with chimps where they human study but with chimps where they human study but with chimps where they they did two uh myioatin inhibitors or they did two uh myioatin inhibitors or they did two uh myioatin inhibitors or three groups uh GLP GLP plus active three groups uh GLP GLP plus active three groups uh GLP GLP plus active inhibition plus whatever the other one inhibition plus whatever the other one inhibition plus whatever the other one is that inhibits I don't know if what is that inhibits I don't know if what is that inhibits I don't know if what the other uh pathway was but there were the other uh pathway was but there were the other uh pathway was but there were two myostatin inhibitors and the last two myostatin inhibitors and the last two myostatin inhibitors and the last group they all ate the same amount of group they all ate the same amount of group they all ate the same amount of food built muscle while losing weight food built muscle while losing weight food built muscle while losing weight which is crazy because they were in such which is crazy because they were in such which is crazy because they were in such a low calorie state. 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Yeah, you know, I had dinner with a guy Yeah, you know, I had dinner with a guy Yeah, you know, I had dinner with a guy on Saturday night who was uh selling me on Saturday night who was uh selling me on Saturday night who was uh selling me on this stuff and I was like, to be on this stuff and I was like, to be on this stuff and I was like, to be honest, I haven't looked at it. Like, so honest, I haven't looked at it. Like, so honest, I haven't looked at it. Like, so I've got some friends who went down to I've got some friends who went down to I've got some friends who went down to Mexico and did the the gene therapy, Mexico and did the the gene therapy, Mexico and did the the gene therapy, gene editing for fall statin. Um, gene editing for fall statin. Um, gene editing for fall statin. Um, >> you know, I'm not going to share any >> you know, I'm not going to share any >> you know, I'm not going to share any names, but you guys would know this. names, but you guys would know this. names, but you guys would know this. >> Um, and most of them across the board >> Um, and most of them across the board >> Um, and most of them across the board said they put on about 10 pounds of said they put on about 10 pounds of said they put on about 10 pounds of muscle. muscle. muscle. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Lost a little bit of fat and it seems to >> Lost a little bit of fat and it seems to >> Lost a little bit of fat and it seems to stay. Um, but that's sort of the extent stay. Um, but that's sort of the extent stay. Um, but that's sort of the extent of my interaction with these things of my interaction with these things of my interaction with these things because to be honest, one, I don't because to be honest, one, I don't because to be honest, one, I don't really have an interest personally in in really have an interest personally in in really have an interest personally in in getting huge amounts of muscle. getting huge amounts of muscle. getting huge amounts of muscle. >> Well, you're trying to lose you've been >> Well, you're trying to lose you've been >> Well, you're trying to lose you've been trying to lose muscle for a decade. trying to lose muscle for a decade. trying to lose muscle for a decade. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> We met we met that way where you >> We met we met that way where you >> We met we met that way where you >> like if I want to put on muscle, it's >> like if I want to put on muscle, it's >> like if I want to put on muscle, it's there. So, it's not a concern for me. there. So, it's not a concern for me. there. So, it's not a concern for me. But some of my clients are interested in But some of my clients are interested in But some of my clients are interested in adding muscle, but my approach to adding adding muscle, but my approach to adding adding muscle, but my approach to adding muscle, I would way rather teach you how muscle, I would way rather teach you how muscle, I would way rather teach you how to train hard and earn the muscle than to train hard and earn the muscle than to train hard and earn the muscle than just like take something to get it. And just like take something to get it. And just like take something to get it. And I'm like, ah, like I know this world is, I'm like, ah, like I know this world is, I'm like, ah, like I know this world is, you know, we're in a looks maxing world you know, we're in a looks maxing world you know, we're in a looks maxing world and I just heard that word recently. and I just heard that word recently. and I just heard that word recently. >> We just had a thing literally last week >> We just had a thing literally last week >> We just had a thing literally last week where all our our staff came in where all our our staff came in where all our our staff came in >> and they challenged us with all these >> and they challenged us with all these >> and they challenged us with all these words that we slang words that we slang words that we slang >> and that was one of them. All of us are >> and that was one of them. All of us are >> and that was one of them. All of us are looking, I have no idea what I'm talking looking, I have no idea what I'm talking looking, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm seeing about. I'm seeing about. I'm seeing >> meing looks maxing. >> meing looks maxing. >> meing looks maxing. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> U so I get why people would want it but >> U so I get why people would want it but >> U so I get why people would want it but like I'm so much more interested in like I'm so much more interested in like I'm so much more interested in teaching people how to master their body teaching people how to master their body teaching people how to master their body because putting on 10 lbs of muscle because putting on 10 lbs of muscle because putting on 10 lbs of muscle because you know speaking from a guy because you know speaking from a guy because you know speaking from a guy who's been there right I walked on the who's been there right I walked on the who's been there right I walked on the Olympia stage and I was like oh is this Olympia stage and I was like oh is this Olympia stage and I was like oh is this it you know I was like I I accomplished it you know I was like I I accomplished it you know I was like I I accomplished my dream I looked the way I wanted to my dream I looked the way I wanted to my dream I looked the way I wanted to look and I was like oh it didn't change look and I was like oh it didn't change look and I was like oh it didn't change who I am so what I know as as someone who I am so what I know as as someone who I am so what I know as as someone who's done what you know a lot of people who's done what you know a lot of people who's done what you know a lot of people want to do is I put on all the muscle it want to do is I put on all the muscle it want to do is I put on all the muscle it doesn't change my character so just cuz doesn't change my character so just cuz doesn't change my character so just cuz I put on 10 pounds of muscle it doesn't I put on 10 pounds of muscle it doesn't I put on 10 pounds of muscle it doesn't make me more confident it doesn't make make me more confident it doesn't make make me more confident it doesn't make me anything different other than like, me anything different other than like, me anything different other than like, oh, maybe I look different in the oh, maybe I look different in the oh, maybe I look different in the mirror. Confidence is built through mirror. Confidence is built through mirror. Confidence is built through challenge. It's built through struggle. challenge. It's built through struggle. challenge. It's built through struggle. It's built through overcoming obstacles. It's built through overcoming obstacles. It's built through overcoming obstacles. So, if the reason we're trying to build So, if the reason we're trying to build So, if the reason we're trying to build muscle is because we want to be more muscle is because we want to be more muscle is because we want to be more confident, we want to be I don't look confident, we want to be I don't look confident, we want to be I don't look better, well, go do the work, right? If better, well, go do the work, right? If better, well, go do the work, right? If we're building muscle because we want a we're building muscle because we want a we're building muscle because we want a longevity benefit, go do the work, you longevity benefit, go do the work, you longevity benefit, go do the work, you know? Like, I don't know that just just know? Like, I don't know that just just know? Like, I don't know that just just muscle is what we're after. muscle is what we're after. muscle is what we're after. >> Yeah. How do you communicate that well? >> Yeah. How do you communicate that well? >> Yeah. How do you communicate that well? Because uh or effectively because uh we Because uh or effectively because uh we Because uh or effectively because uh we know this. We've been we've all been know this. We've been we've all been know this. We've been we've all been working out for years and we train working out for years and we train working out for years and we train people for years and I know you've people for years and I know you've people for years and I know you've you've done the same. And if I had to you've done the same. And if I had to you've done the same. And if I had to list all the benefits that came from uh list all the benefits that came from uh list all the benefits that came from uh the the the fitness journey um very the the the fitness journey um very the the the fitness journey um very little of those benefits are actually little of those benefits are actually little of those benefits are actually the the Yeah. the physical end result. the the Yeah. the physical end result. the the Yeah. the physical end result. So many of the benefits are just the So many of the benefits are just the So many of the benefits are just the whole process whole process whole process >> person I'm becoming in the process. >> person I'm becoming in the process. >> person I'm becoming in the process. >> Yeah. I mean um I [clears throat] I you >> Yeah. I mean um I [clears throat] I you >> Yeah. I mean um I [clears throat] I you know uh fitness is such a microcosm of I know uh fitness is such a microcosm of I know uh fitness is such a microcosm of I guess life. Uh very simplified you know guess life. Uh very simplified you know guess life. Uh very simplified you know like it's hard it hurts. I suck. I gotta like it's hard it hurts. I suck. I gotta like it's hard it hurts. I suck. I gotta get better. You know, I gotta go show get better. You know, I gotta go show get better. You know, I gotta go show up. I gotta be disciplined. And the up. I gotta be disciplined. And the up. I gotta be disciplined. And the carryover to everything else is carryover to everything else is carryover to everything else is profound. But how do you sell that to profound. But how do you sell that to profound. But how do you sell that to somebody when someone just is what's somebody when someone just is what's somebody when someone just is what's sold to them so much is the benefits are sold to them so much is the benefits are sold to them so much is the benefits are that you look good. that you look good. that you look good. >> Yep. Well, I [clears throat] can go a >> Yep. Well, I [clears throat] can go a >> Yep. Well, I [clears throat] can go a lot of different directions and it lot of different directions and it lot of different directions and it depends how long you got. But I would depends how long you got. But I would depends how long you got. But I would say the society we live in is extremely say the society we live in is extremely say the society we live in is extremely difficult mentally, cognitively, difficult mentally, cognitively, difficult mentally, cognitively, emotionally, a lot of lot of emotional emotionally, a lot of lot of emotional emotionally, a lot of lot of emotional stress, a lot of mental uh challenge, stress, a lot of mental uh challenge, stress, a lot of mental uh challenge, but physically very very easy. So but physically very very easy. So but physically very very easy. So evolutionarily we had a lot of physical evolutionarily we had a lot of physical evolutionarily we had a lot of physical stress and not a lot of psychological stress and not a lot of psychological stress and not a lot of psychological stress, right? Some psychological stress, right? Some psychological stress, right? Some psychological stress, but even if they were there was stress, but even if they were there was stress, but even if they were there was psychological stress, it was always psychological stress, it was always psychological stress, it was always coupled with physical stress. So what's coupled with physical stress. So what's coupled with physical stress. So what's happened is there's a disconnect like an happened is there's a disconnect like an happened is there's a disconnect like an evolutionary disconnect where now we're evolutionary disconnect where now we're evolutionary disconnect where now we're having so much psychological stress and having so much psychological stress and having so much psychological stress and no physical challenge. So the body no physical challenge. So the body no physical challenge. So the body becomes this metabolically disconnected becomes this metabolically disconnected becomes this metabolically disconnected organism where the brain is constantly organism where the brain is constantly organism where the brain is constantly in a state of fight or flight and the in a state of fight or flight and the in a state of fight or flight and the body sitting on the couch or sitting in body sitting on the couch or sitting in body sitting on the couch or sitting in the car you know reacting to someone the car you know reacting to someone the car you know reacting to someone cutting you off and so we have to cutting you off and so we have to cutting you off and so we have to intentionally curate hard things for our intentionally curate hard things for our intentionally curate hard things for our body otherwise the body will break down. body otherwise the body will break down. body otherwise the body will break down. So I think that that's my stance is like So I think that that's my stance is like So I think that that's my stance is like we have to intentionally curate we have to intentionally curate we have to intentionally curate challenges. We have to intentionally challenges. We have to intentionally challenges. We have to intentionally curate struggle uh to make sure the body curate struggle uh to make sure the body curate struggle uh to make sure the body and the mind can be in harmony. So when and the mind can be in harmony. So when and the mind can be in harmony. So when I'm when I'm stressed whether it be from I'm when I'm stressed whether it be from I'm when I'm stressed whether it be from work or from driving the car and getting work or from driving the car and getting work or from driving the car and getting cut off or whatever moving my body is cut off or whatever moving my body is cut off or whatever moving my body is the fastest and most effective way out the fastest and most effective way out the fastest and most effective way out of that stressful state. So if people of that stressful state. So if people of that stressful state. So if people learn that and they can operationalize learn that and they can operationalize learn that and they can operationalize that that's what changes your life. So that that's what changes your life. So that that's what changes your life. So most people who are trying to change a most people who are trying to change a most people who are trying to change a psychological state, maybe it's in psychological state, maybe it's in psychological state, maybe it's in inadequacy, maybe it's insecurity, inadequacy, maybe it's insecurity, inadequacy, maybe it's insecurity, they're trying to change that by they're trying to change that by they're trying to change that by changing the way they look. I'm like, changing the way they look. I'm like, changing the way they look. I'm like, it's not the way you look, it's the it's it's not the way you look, it's the it's it's not the way you look, it's the it's the movement to get the way you look the movement to get the way you look the movement to get the way you look that changes the the psychological that changes the the psychological that changes the the psychological state, right? state, right? state, right? >> We're trying to outthink our way out of >> We're trying to outthink our way out of >> We're trying to outthink our way out of uh Can't do it. uh Can't do it. uh Can't do it. >> No, no, you can't think your way out of >> No, no, you can't think your way out of >> No, no, you can't think your way out of that those types of things. It's that those types of things. It's that those types of things. It's interesting. I I uh I've been really interesting. I I uh I've been really interesting. I I uh I've been really digging deep into a lot of that uh data digging deep into a lot of that uh data digging deep into a lot of that uh data on anxiety and stress. And I have uh on anxiety and stress. And I have uh on anxiety and stress. And I have uh kids and I have two older kids. One's kids and I have two older kids. One's kids and I have two older kids. One's 20, one's 16. So, it's it's been 20, one's 16. So, it's it's been 20, one's 16. So, it's it's been interesting for me uh for a little interesting for me uh for a little interesting for me uh for a little while. And when you look at it and you while. And when you look at it and you while. And when you look at it and you know, I've heard people say this like, know, I've heard people say this like, know, I've heard people say this like, "Oh, we're just uh we're so stressed "Oh, we're just uh we're so stressed "Oh, we're just uh we're so stressed today or the stress is different today." today or the stress is different today." today or the stress is different today." And I've heard that argument before. But And I've heard that argument before. But And I've heard that argument before. But then when I think back to previous then when I think back to previous then when I think back to previous generations, like, you know, you're generations, like, you know, you're generations, like, you know, you're living through the Great Depression or living through the Great Depression or living through the Great Depression or World War I or World War II, World War I or World War II, World War I or World War II, >> like like that's way more stressful. >> like like that's way more stressful. >> like like that's way more stressful. That's way more stressful, right? Or That's way more stressful, right? Or That's way more stressful, right? Or >> just less resilient >> just less resilient >> just less resilient >> or Yeah. Yeah. Like what's the >> or Yeah. Yeah. Like what's the >> or Yeah. Yeah. Like what's the difference? And so what what it brought difference? And so what what it brought difference? And so what what it brought me to was was research on what is me to was was research on what is me to was was research on what is protective against stress and uh what I protective against stress and uh what I protective against stress and uh what I keep coming up to is uh is there a keep coming up to is uh is there a keep coming up to is uh is there a purpose behind the stress? Do you feel a purpose behind the stress? Do you feel a purpose behind the stress? Do you feel a mean? Do you feel meaning behind it? mean? Do you feel meaning behind it? mean? Do you feel meaning behind it? Because Because Because >> if you're uh if you're doing something >> if you're uh if you're doing something >> if you're uh if you're doing something stressful and you feel like it's stressful and you feel like it's stressful and you feel like it's worthless stress, it's very stressful on worthless stress, it's very stressful on worthless stress, it's very stressful on the body. But if you're doing something the body. But if you're doing something the body. But if you're doing something like look at volunteers. I love looking like look at volunteers. I love looking like look at volunteers. I love looking at research on volunteer workers who go at research on volunteer workers who go at research on volunteer workers who go out and get poor sleep and they're out out and get poor sleep and they're out out and get poor sleep and they're out there serving people and helping people there serving people and helping people there serving people and helping people and they're doing it for free and they and they're doing it for free and they and they're doing it for free and they just feel good. And it's like those just feel good. And it's like those just feel good. And it's like those people are under a lot of objective people are under a lot of objective people are under a lot of objective stress, but they don't they're not stress, but they don't they're not stress, but they don't they're not reporting lots of stress because they reporting lots of stress because they reporting lots of stress because they feel a lot high sense of purpose behind feel a lot high sense of purpose behind feel a lot high sense of purpose behind what they're doing. what they're doing. what they're doing. >> Man, you nailed it. So that's where I >> Man, you nailed it. So that's where I >> Man, you nailed it. So that's where I was going to go. And I think the best was going to go. And I think the best was going to go. And I think the best example, maybe the most extreme example, example, maybe the most extreme example, example, maybe the most extreme example, maybe the best example is Elon. Elon maybe the best example is Elon. Elon maybe the best example is Elon. Elon Musk wakes up every day and like how do Musk wakes up every day and like how do Musk wakes up every day and like how do you CEO three companies at the highest you CEO three companies at the highest you CEO three companies at the highest level in the world, sleep four or five level in the world, sleep four or five level in the world, sleep four or five hours a night and still wake up and do hours a night and still wake up and do hours a night and still wake up and do it every day. You're like that's it's it every day. You're like that's it's it every day. You're like that's it's remarkable, right? So he's he's driven remarkable, right? So he's he's driven remarkable, right? So he's he's driven by purpose, you know? It could be some by purpose, you know? It could be some by purpose, you know? It could be some pain because I know he had some some pain because I know he had some some pain because I know he had some some trauma as a child, but like it's got to trauma as a child, but like it's got to trauma as a child, but like it's got to be a deep purpose, right? So yeah, you be a deep purpose, right? So yeah, you be a deep purpose, right? So yeah, you nailed it, man. And my I have I have a nailed it, man. And my I have I have a nailed it, man. And my I have I have a 19-year-old stepson and he's going 19-year-old stepson and he's going 19-year-old stepson and he's going through some stuff right now and I'm through some stuff right now and I'm through some stuff right now and I'm like, man, you just need something like, man, you just need something like, man, you just need something bigger than yourself. Like like I have bigger than yourself. Like like I have bigger than yourself. Like like I have anxiety. I have this. I'm like, every anxiety. I have this. I'm like, every anxiety. I have this. I'm like, every man has anxiety at some point in their man has anxiety at some point in their man has anxiety at some point in their life. Maybe at all points in their life, life. Maybe at all points in their life, life. Maybe at all points in their life, but they're willing to outwork that. but they're willing to outwork that. but they're willing to outwork that. They're willing to realize like, hey, I They're willing to realize like, hey, I They're willing to realize like, hey, I have no choice. I have to get up and do have no choice. I have to get up and do have no choice. I have to get up and do the work. I have to get up and grind. I the work. I have to get up and grind. I the work. I have to get up and grind. I have to have a re I have to have a have to have a re I have to have a have to have a re I have to have a reason to get up otherwise I'm just reason to get up otherwise I'm just reason to get up otherwise I'm just going to sit in my anxiety. I was I going to sit in my anxiety. I was I going to sit in my anxiety. I was I forget it was I think it was um either forget it was I think it was um either forget it was I think it was um either [snorts] Mark Twain [snorts] Mark Twain [snorts] Mark Twain somebody was was writing recently and I somebody was was writing recently and I somebody was was writing recently and I was or I was reading about it recently was or I was reading about it recently was or I was reading about it recently and they were saying something like and they were saying something like and they were saying something like literally every man is living with literally every man is living with literally every man is living with anxiety living with inner torment but anxiety living with inner torment but anxiety living with inner torment but you just get up and and go about your you just get up and and go about your you just get up and and go about your life right and then you find the things life right and then you find the things life right and then you find the things that are important then the anxiety that are important then the anxiety that are important then the anxiety fades away because you start filling in fades away because you start filling in fades away because you start filling in all those gaps and deficiencies that are all those gaps and deficiencies that are all those gaps and deficiencies that are causing the anxiety right if you're causing the anxiety right if you're causing the anxiety right if you're anxious because your health is bad well anxious because your health is bad well anxious because your health is bad well we have to fix that if you're anxious we have to fix that if you're anxious we have to fix that if you're anxious because you're broke and we'll we'll fix because you're broke and we'll we'll fix because you're broke and we'll we'll fix that by making money if you're anxious that by making money if you're anxious that by making money if you're anxious because I don't know [clears throat] because I don't know [clears throat] because I don't know [clears throat] your rel relationship status is bad or your rel relationship status is bad or your rel relationship status is bad or you're insecurity you're insecure like you're insecurity you're insecure like you're insecurity you're insecure like you start fixing those problems if you start fixing those problems if you start fixing those problems if you're willing to do the work whereas my you're willing to do the work whereas my you're willing to do the work whereas my uh my stepson's just sort of like uh my stepson's just sort of like uh my stepson's just sort of like sitting at home waiting for it to fix it sitting at home waiting for it to fix it sitting at home waiting for it to fix it itself and I'm like man you you got to itself and I'm like man you you got to itself and I'm like man you you got to get up it's it's a tough one get up it's it's a tough one get up it's it's a tough one >> is there as a father and and seeing that >> is there as a father and and seeing that >> is there as a father and and seeing that in your 19-year-old stepson are there in your 19-year-old stepson are there in your 19-year-old stepson are there things that you have implemented or you things that you have implemented or you things that you have implemented or you communicate to the younger ones like are communicate to the younger ones like are communicate to the younger ones like are there like this you do you think about there like this you do you think about there like this you do you think about that a lot I think about stuff like this that a lot I think about stuff like this that a lot I think about stuff like this a lot like a lot like a lot like >> as my kids growing them face challenges >> as my kids growing them face challenges >> as my kids growing them face challenges and and uh hard situations now because and and uh hard situations now because and and uh hard situations now because they they just have to realize that they they just have to realize that they they just have to realize that they're they're they're >> or just don't rescue them. >> or just don't rescue them. >> or just don't rescue them. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah, exactly. >> They have to figure out that they can do >> They have to figure out that they can do >> They have to figure out that they can do it on their own. it on their own. it on their own. >> Is there an example you can think of >> Is there an example you can think of >> Is there an example you can think of that you can draw on though that's that you can draw on though that's that you can draw on though that's happened recently where it's just like happened recently where it's just like happened recently where it's just like there was an opportunity for you to do there was an opportunity for you to do there was an opportunity for you to do that? Like are you seeking out and that? Like are you seeking out and that? Like are you seeking out and putting in those situations or are you putting in those situations or are you putting in those situations or are you just aware of the opportunity of oh just aware of the opportunity of oh just aware of the opportunity of oh here's a time where I can here's a time where I can here's a time where I can >> Well, so the example that stands out to >> Well, so the example that stands out to >> Well, so the example that stands out to me with my kids is sports. me with my kids is sports. me with my kids is sports. >> So like they don't always win and >> So like they don't always win and >> So like they don't always win and sometimes they don't always get the sometimes they don't always get the sometimes they don't always get the call. call. call. >> So good for that. >> So good for that. >> So good for that. >> So good for that. I think every kid >> So good for that. I think every kid >> So good for that. I think every kid should play sports. should play sports. should play sports. >> You're like, "Hey man, you didn't make >> You're like, "Hey man, you didn't make >> You're like, "Hey man, you didn't make the team or you didn't get my son right the team or you didn't get my son right the team or you didn't get my son right now just started in football and he now just started in football and he now just started in football and he didn't get the starting job as a didn't get the starting job as a didn't get the starting job as a quarterback." And you're like, quarterback." And you're like, quarterback." And you're like, >> "How are you going to deal with that?" >> "How are you going to deal with that?" >> "How are you going to deal with that?" Like, "How are you going to react?" And Like, "How are you going to react?" And Like, "How are you going to react?" And so the the natural inclination is like, so the the natural inclination is like, so the the natural inclination is like, "Ah, you know, put the other guy down." "Ah, you know, put the other guy down." "Ah, you know, put the other guy down." I'm like, "No, no, man. He's he's did I'm like, "No, no, man. He's he's did I'm like, "No, no, man. He's he's did great. He he pushed you hard. Uh, honor great. He he pushed you hard. Uh, honor great. He he pushed you hard. Uh, honor that. Respect that. Shake his hand. Next that. Respect that. Shake his hand. Next that. Respect that. Shake his hand. Next year, come back, beat him. How you going year, come back, beat him. How you going year, come back, beat him. How you going to do that?" You know, uh, I have to get to do that?" You know, uh, I have to get to do that?" You know, uh, I have to get better. So my son's doing his sprint better. So my son's doing his sprint better. So my son's doing his sprint training every day and he's doing like, training every day and he's doing like, training every day and he's doing like, you know, he's doing all the things. And you know, he's doing all the things. And you know, he's doing all the things. And I'm like, that's his decision, not mine, I'm like, that's his decision, not mine, I'm like, that's his decision, not mine, right? I'm not going to be the one who's right? I'm not going to be the one who's right? I'm not going to be the one who's like the angry dad yelling at my son to like the angry dad yelling at my son to like the angry dad yelling at my son to do the work. I was like, no, man. That's do the work. I was like, no, man. That's do the work. I was like, no, man. That's that's not me. Like, my job is to that's not me. Like, my job is to that's not me. Like, my job is to facilitate what you want to do, but you facilitate what you want to do, but you facilitate what you want to do, but you have to make the decision to move toward have to make the decision to move toward have to make the decision to move toward the the growth. the the growth. the the growth. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You don't want to steal it from him. You >> You don't want to steal it from him. You >> You don't want to steal it from him. You know what's interesting about that? Uh know what's interesting about that? Uh know what's interesting about that? Uh almost like one of the worst things that almost like one of the worst things that almost like one of the worst things that could happen to your kid when you put could happen to your kid when you put could happen to your kid when you put him in sports is he's excellent at at him in sports is he's excellent at at him in sports is he's excellent at at them right out the gates and is always them right out the gates and is always them right out the gates and is always super good. super good. super good. >> Like like like how do you like that? >> Like like like how do you like that? >> Like like like how do you like that? That's actually uh not not a blessing. That's actually uh not not a blessing. That's actually uh not not a blessing. That can potentially be a big curse% That can potentially be a big curse% That can potentially be a big curse% >> that they just go in and crush all >> that they just go in and crush all >> that they just go in and crush all things. things. things. >> The thing that changed my athletic >> The thing that changed my athletic >> The thing that changed my athletic career as a young one, I got cut from career as a young one, I got cut from career as a young one, I got cut from the 12-year-old all-star team baseball the 12-year-old all-star team baseball the 12-year-old all-star team baseball team. [snorts] team. [snorts] team. [snorts] >> And they're like, "Sorry, you know, >> And they're like, "Sorry, you know, >> And they're like, "Sorry, you know, you're not good enough to make this you're not good enough to make this you're not good enough to make this team." I was like, "Okay, thank you." team." I was like, "Okay, thank you." team." I was like, "Okay, thank you." And I was hurt and they brought me back And I was hurt and they brought me back And I was hurt and they brought me back as the last taxi player, which basically as the last taxi player, which basically as the last taxi player, which basically meant I had to be on the practice team. meant I had to be on the practice team. meant I had to be on the practice team. And I was like, "Okay, I'll do it. I'll And I was like, "Okay, I'll do it. I'll And I was like, "Okay, I'll do it. I'll take it." And within a couple weeks into take it." And within a couple weeks into take it." And within a couple weeks into the season, I was l I was hitting lead the season, I was l I was hitting lead the season, I was l I was hitting lead off most hits on the team. Ended up MVP off most hits on the team. Ended up MVP off most hits on the team. Ended up MVP of the teams. Like of the teams. Like of the teams. Like >> that's cool. >> that's cool. >> that's cool. >> I was cut and I was dejected and they >> I was cut and I was dejected and they >> I was cut and I was dejected and they gave me an opportunity and I was gave me an opportunity and I was gave me an opportunity and I was [snorts] like I'm never going to I never [snorts] like I'm never going to I never [snorts] like I'm never going to I never want to experience that again. And that want to experience that again. And that want to experience that again. And that took like I was a pretty solid baseball took like I was a pretty solid baseball took like I was a pretty solid baseball player from 12 to 17 when I gave it up player from 12 to 17 when I gave it up player from 12 to 17 when I gave it up for bodybuilding. Um but that was it. It for bodybuilding. Um but that was it. It for bodybuilding. Um but that was it. It was that event. And I remember it was that event. And I remember it was that event. And I remember it clearly cuz I was like I'm never going clearly cuz I was like I'm never going clearly cuz I was like I'm never going to let these coaches down. Those coaches to let these coaches down. Those coaches to let these coaches down. Those coaches were hard on me. I was 12 and I was were hard on me. I was 12 and I was were hard on me. I was 12 and I was like, "Go, keep going. I'll take it." like, "Go, keep going. I'll take it." like, "Go, keep going. I'll take it." And ever since then, I'm the most And ever since then, I'm the most And ever since then, I'm the most coachable guy in the world when it comes coachable guy in the world when it comes coachable guy in the world when it comes to interacting with coaches cuz I to interacting with coaches cuz I to interacting with coaches cuz I remember that like nobody could be remember that like nobody could be remember that like nobody could be harder than me on me than those four harder than me on me than those four harder than me on me than those four guys where I was four coaches on that guys where I was four coaches on that guys where I was four coaches on that team. They beat me into the ground. team. They beat me into the ground. team. They beat me into the ground. [laughter] I was like, I don't care. [laughter] I was like, I don't care. [laughter] I was like, I don't care. I'll keep going. Uh so that was a good I'll keep going. Uh so that was a good I'll keep going. Uh so that was a good learning lesson. learning lesson. learning lesson. >> I don't I don't think there's anything >> I don't I don't think there's anything >> I don't I don't think there's anything better than sports for kids for that better than sports for kids for that better than sports for kids for that reason. I mean, the reason why I bring reason. I mean, the reason why I bring reason. I mean, the reason why I bring that up and ask that is I've got a that up and ask that is I've got a that up and ask that is I've got a seven-year-old who has no interest in seven-year-old who has no interest in seven-year-old who has no interest in sports whatsoever. And it's so crazy for sports whatsoever. And it's so crazy for sports whatsoever. And it's so crazy for my wife and I my wife and I my wife and I >> who sports are on 24/7. We play sports >> who sports are on 24/7. We play sports >> who sports are on 24/7. We play sports all the time. Like it's a part of our all the time. Like it's a part of our all the time. Like it's a part of our life life life >> and he's just Legos, puzzles, reading, >> and he's just Legos, puzzles, reading, >> and he's just Legos, puzzles, reading, you know, all the things. He's such a you know, all the things. He's such a you know, all the things. He's such a great kid and like but we and and I just great kid and like but we and and I just great kid and like but we and and I just slowly try and introduce it. Now I know slowly try and introduce it. Now I know slowly try and introduce it. Now I know we both were late bloomers so as far as we both were late bloomers so as far as we both were late bloomers so as far as getting into sports. So there's this getting into sports. So there's this getting into sports. So there's this hope that eventually, but I think about hope that eventually, but I think about hope that eventually, but I think about this a lot because I know what it did this a lot because I know what it did this a lot because I know what it did for me and I know what a it's such every for me and I know what a it's such every for me and I know what a it's such every day from practice to games to cut to day from practice to games to cut to day from practice to games to cut to there's so many lessons within it and if there's so many lessons within it and if there's so many lessons within it and if you as a dad if you're aware of that and you as a dad if you're aware of that and you as a dad if you're aware of that and you see it's like it just presents these you see it's like it just presents these you see it's like it just presents these great opportunities. So I always think great opportunities. So I always think great opportunities. So I always think like what am I going to do if he doesn't like what am I going to do if he doesn't like what am I going to do if he doesn't like if there's a possibility that he's like if there's a possibility that he's like if there's a possibility that he's >> I I would just create some some man >> I I would just create some some man >> I I would just create some some man standards in the house like hey man men standards in the house like hey man men standards in the house like hey man men can defend themselves you know our our can defend themselves you know our our can defend themselves you know our our Schaefer men defend themselves Schaefer men defend themselves Schaefer men defend themselves >> and uh we do jiu-jitsu and we we run >> and uh we do jiu-jitsu and we we run >> and uh we do jiu-jitsu and we we run [clears throat] you know or like we lift [clears throat] you know or like we lift [clears throat] you know or like we lift or something you know create standards or something you know create standards or something you know create standards that like this is an interesting thing that like this is an interesting thing that like this is an interesting thing that maybe you guys haven't thought that maybe you guys haven't thought that maybe you guys haven't thought about about about >> you probably I don't know my anyone >> you probably I don't know my anyone >> you probably I don't know my anyone beyond my grandfather I don't know their beyond my grandfather I don't know their beyond my grandfather I don't know their names I don't know anything about them names I don't know anything about them names I don't know anything about them right anything older than my grandfather right anything older than my grandfather right anything older than my grandfather Um, but think about our kids. Like we Um, but think about our kids. Like we Um, but think about our kids. Like we are going to be the first generation are going to be the first generation are going to be the first generation where there's going to be a time capsule where there's going to be a time capsule where there's going to be a time capsule for the rest of time. We're going to for the rest of time. We're going to for the rest of time. We're going to have dig a digital fingerprint for the have dig a digital fingerprint for the have dig a digital fingerprint for the rest of time. So it's your opportunity rest of time. So it's your opportunity rest of time. So it's your opportunity now to sit back and go, what legacy do I now to sit back and go, what legacy do I now to sit back and go, what legacy do I want to create for the name of the back want to create for the name of the back want to create for the name of the back of the jersey? You're the start, man. of the jersey? You're the start, man. of the jersey? You're the start, man. >> Like there may be guys who've come >> Like there may be guys who've come >> Like there may be guys who've come before you and I always think like I before you and I always think like I before you and I always think like I come from a very strong line of men. I come from a very strong line of men. I come from a very strong line of men. I don't know who they are, but I know don't know who they are, but I know don't know who they are, but I know where they were the strongest of their where they were the strongest of their where they were the strongest of their generation or they're strongest of of generation or they're strongest of of generation or they're strongest of of the species, right? Because they had to the species, right? Because they had to the species, right? Because they had to survive. So like you get to be survive. So like you get to be survive. So like you get to be intentional about what you start now as intentional about what you start now as intentional about what you start now as a legacy for your family. It's like what a legacy for your family. It's like what a legacy for your family. It's like what traditions do I want to create? What traditions do I want to create? What traditions do I want to create? What standards do I want to create for my standards do I want to create for my standards do I want to create for my kids? And like so you know I want my kids? And like so you know I want my kids? And like so you know I want my kids to play sports, but it's not just kids to play sports, but it's not just kids to play sports, but it's not just like hey pick any sport you want. I'm like hey pick any sport you want. I'm like hey pick any sport you want. I'm like hey we got to have standards. We like hey we got to have standards. We like hey we got to have standards. We have to have daily standards around have to have daily standards around have to have daily standards around we're going to do this every day. And so we're going to do this every day. And so we're going to do this every day. And so I have I have what I call four master I have I have what I call four master I have I have what I call four master skills and they have to study and and do skills and they have to study and and do skills and they have to study and and do something for their four master skills something for their four master skills something for their four master skills every day. And that started you know as every day. And that started you know as every day. And that started you know as soon as they're sort of able and I'm soon as they're sort of able and I'm soon as they're sort of able and I'm happy to share those but it's basically happy to share those but it's basically happy to share those but it's basically like I'll share what they are really like I'll share what they are really like I'll share what they are really quickly. So, it's uh master your body, quickly. So, it's uh master your body, quickly. So, it's uh master your body, master your finances, master master your finances, master master your finances, master communication, and master your emotions communication, and master your emotions communication, and master your emotions because I believe those are the four because I believe those are the four because I believe those are the four most important things for young people. most important things for young people. most important things for young people. Now, you can make an argument there's Now, you can make an argument there's Now, you can make an argument there's other stuff, but u master your body, other stuff, but u master your body, other stuff, but u master your body, master your finances, master master your finances, master master your finances, master communication, and master emotions. Um communication, and master emotions. Um communication, and master emotions. Um and so, all of my kids are are focusing and so, all of my kids are are focusing and so, all of my kids are are focusing at some level on doing some stuff for at some level on doing some stuff for at some level on doing some stuff for that. Uh and it could be little. It that. Uh and it could be little. It that. Uh and it could be little. It could be like, "Hey, did you do 10 could be like, "Hey, did you do 10 could be like, "Hey, did you do 10 push-ups today?" Or like whatever, but push-ups today?" Or like whatever, but push-ups today?" Or like whatever, but like we're going to do something every like we're going to do something every like we're going to do something every day. Why? because I want in the back of day. Why? because I want in the back of day. Why? because I want in the back of their mind when they don't know what to their mind when they don't know what to their mind when they don't know what to do with themselves, when they don't do with themselves, when they don't do with themselves, when they don't like, I'm bored. Have you done your like, I'm bored. Have you done your like, I'm bored. Have you done your master skills? So, we just have a master skills? So, we just have a master skills? So, we just have a lowlevel standard, but you got to do lowlevel standard, but you got to do lowlevel standard, but you got to do something, you know? something, you know? something, you know? >> I want I want I know it's been a little >> I want I want I know it's been a little >> I want I want I know it's been a little while since you transitioned out of uh while since you transitioned out of uh while since you transitioned out of uh pro bodybuilding, but um you've been one pro bodybuilding, but um you've been one pro bodybuilding, but um you've been one of the more successful people to do so. of the more successful people to do so. of the more successful people to do so. And uh I I I can't imagine the challenge And uh I I I can't imagine the challenge And uh I I I can't imagine the challenge uh that a a well any pro alete but a pro uh that a a well any pro alete but a pro uh that a a well any pro alete but a pro bodybuilder in particular would have uh bodybuilder in particular would have uh bodybuilder in particular would have uh having to change their identity I guess having to change their identity I guess having to change their identity I guess to go from this really huge muscular to go from this really huge muscular to go from this really huge muscular whatever guy competing to switch into whatever guy competing to switch into whatever guy competing to switch into something else. And I see that often is something else. And I see that often is something else. And I see that often is a very difficult transition for people. a very difficult transition for people. a very difficult transition for people. But you seem to have no problem doing But you seem to have no problem doing But you seem to have no problem doing it. like what what talk about that a it. like what what talk about that a it. like what what talk about that a little bit and changing your identity to little bit and changing your identity to little bit and changing your identity to going from bodybuilder guy competing on going from bodybuilder guy competing on going from bodybuilder guy competing on stage you know getting big strong stage you know getting big strong stage you know getting big strong shredded uh you know prep you know all shredded uh you know prep you know all shredded uh you know prep you know all that stuff to moving out of it to like that stuff to moving out of it to like that stuff to moving out of it to like what you do now. what you do now. what you do now. >> Yeah. You know what comes up for me as >> Yeah. You know what comes up for me as >> Yeah. You know what comes up for me as you say that is bodybuilding was always you say that is bodybuilding was always you say that is bodybuilding was always something I did. It wasn't something something I did. It wasn't something something I did. It wasn't something that I am. And I know a lot of people that I am. And I know a lot of people that I am. And I know a lot of people have themsel their identity wrapped up have themsel their identity wrapped up have themsel their identity wrapped up in what they do and for me it just never in what they do and for me it just never in what they do and for me it just never was. So, you know, even until I was a was. So, you know, even until I was a was. So, you know, even until I was a pro bodybuilder. And past you, I being a pro bodybuilder. And past you, I being a pro bodybuilder. And past you, I being a pro bodybuilder for many years, I never pro bodybuilder for many years, I never pro bodybuilder for many years, I never told people I was a bodybuilder. I love told people I was a bodybuilder. I love told people I was a bodybuilder. I love to train. I love to grow. I love to work to train. I love to grow. I love to work to train. I love to grow. I love to work hard. Like, I didn't see myself as a hard. Like, I didn't see myself as a hard. Like, I didn't see myself as a bodybuilder, you know? And maybe that's bodybuilder, you know? And maybe that's bodybuilder, you know? And maybe that's some version of inadequacy. Maybe it's some version of inadequacy. Maybe it's some version of inadequacy. Maybe it's some version of like I just never was my some version of like I just never was my some version of like I just never was my identity. So, leaving bodybuilding identity. So, leaving bodybuilding identity. So, leaving bodybuilding almost felt like a relief for me. almost felt like a relief for me. almost felt like a relief for me. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, bodybuilding is >> Yeah. Yeah. So, bodybuilding is >> Yeah. Yeah. So, bodybuilding is something that I needed. You know, I had something that I needed. You know, I had something that I needed. You know, I had I had a pretty rough childhood. I had a pretty rough childhood. I had a pretty rough childhood. Bodybuilding gave me a lot. Bodybuilding Bodybuilding gave me a lot. Bodybuilding Bodybuilding gave me a lot. Bodybuilding gave me everything to be honest. gave me everything to be honest. gave me everything to be honest. Everything I have to this day, Everything I have to this day, Everything I have to this day, bodybuilding has given me. So yeah, bodybuilding has given me. So yeah, bodybuilding has given me. So yeah, leaving bodybuilding felt more like I leaving bodybuilding felt more like I leaving bodybuilding felt more like I could go back to being who I truly am could go back to being who I truly am could go back to being who I truly am rather than the armor that I had to grow rather than the armor that I had to grow rather than the armor that I had to grow to overcome my deep level inadequacy, to overcome my deep level inadequacy, to overcome my deep level inadequacy, deep level insecurity. So yeah, deep level insecurity. So yeah, deep level insecurity. So yeah, depending how deep you want to go. depending how deep you want to go. depending how deep you want to go. >> Well, do you feel like you had a good >> Well, do you feel like you had a good >> Well, do you feel like you had a good relationship with it all the way through relationship with it all the way through relationship with it all the way through or do you think that this is mature wise or do you think that this is mature wise or do you think that this is mature wise you talk talking back about it? You know you talk talking back about it? You know you talk talking back about it? You know what I'm saying? Like what I'm saying? Like what I'm saying? Like >> in the beginning I didn't I don't know >> in the beginning I didn't I don't know >> in the beginning I didn't I don't know that I ever had a bad relationship with that I ever had a bad relationship with that I ever had a bad relationship with bodybuilding. I just wanted I just bodybuilding. I just wanted I just bodybuilding. I just wanted I just wanted to be better. Like I just my wanted to be better. Like I just my wanted to be better. Like I just my bodybuilding for me was about uh you bodybuilding for me was about uh you bodybuilding for me was about uh you know the the contest was a pageant. It know the the contest was a pageant. It know the the contest was a pageant. It was about who am I becoming? How much am was about who am I becoming? How much am was about who am I becoming? How much am I growing between each contest? How can I growing between each contest? How can I growing between each contest? How can I improve? I improve? I improve? >> So by the time I was 17, I went to the >> So by the time I was 17, I went to the >> So by the time I was 17, I went to the Olympia in '98 which was uh Ronnie's Olympia in '98 which was uh Ronnie's Olympia in '98 which was uh Ronnie's first win and I was 160 pounds and I was first win and I was 160 pounds and I was first win and I was 160 pounds and I was like this is all I want to do. like this is all I want to do. like this is all I want to do. >> And from that point on the standard for >> And from that point on the standard for >> And from that point on the standard for me was like I want to look like Flex me was like I want to look like Flex me was like I want to look like Flex Wheeler. I want to look like Jay Cutler. Wheeler. I want to look like Jay Cutler. Wheeler. I want to look like Jay Cutler. I want to look like Dorian is and until I want to look like Dorian is and until I want to look like Dorian is and until I'm there, I'm nothing. So why I'm not. I'm there, I'm nothing. So why I'm not. I'm there, I'm nothing. So why I'm not. So it wasn't uh anything other than this So it wasn't uh anything other than this So it wasn't uh anything other than this pursuit of I'm going there to the top of pursuit of I'm going there to the top of pursuit of I'm going there to the top of that mountain. And I was never worried that mountain. And I was never worried that mountain. And I was never worried about my placing in a show. I was never about my placing in a show. I was never about my placing in a show. I was never worried about anyone else's feedback worried about anyone else's feedback worried about anyone else's feedback like you got big arms, small arms, small like you got big arms, small arms, small like you got big arms, small arms, small calves, I don't care until I look like calves, I don't care until I look like calves, I don't care until I look like that. I'm not I'm not there. So I was so that. I'm not I'm not there. So I was so that. I'm not I'm not there. So I was so goal driven goal driven goal driven >> um that it was just like consumed me. So >> um that it was just like consumed me. So >> um that it was just like consumed me. So I don't think I had a negative like a I don't think I had a negative like a I don't think I had a negative like a lot of people talk about having body lot of people talk about having body lot of people talk about having body dysmorphia. like I don't think I had dysmorphia. like I don't think I had dysmorphia. like I don't think I had that. I think I was just like uh that. I think I was just like uh that. I think I was just like uh obsessed on achieving my goal and obsessed on achieving my goal and obsessed on achieving my goal and obsessed with being the best version of obsessed with being the best version of obsessed with being the best version of myself in the gym. And you could say myself in the gym. And you could say myself in the gym. And you could say that comes from um so when I talk about that comes from um so when I talk about that comes from um so when I talk about my childhood, I come from a family of my childhood, I come from a family of my childhood, I come from a family of obese alcoholics. Everyone was lazy. obese alcoholics. Everyone was lazy. obese alcoholics. Everyone was lazy. Nobody ever finished high school. Uh Nobody ever finished high school. Uh Nobody ever finished high school. Uh they just blamed everyone outside of they just blamed everyone outside of they just blamed everyone outside of themselves. And I hated that. And I felt themselves. And I hated that. And I felt themselves. And I hated that. And I felt like I was never like them. I feel like like I was never like them. I feel like like I was never like them. I feel like I I just don't feel like I'm like these I I just don't feel like I'm like these I I just don't feel like I'm like these people. And I didn't want to be like people. And I didn't want to be like people. And I didn't want to be like those people. So it became part of my those people. So it became part of my those people. So it became part of my identity to move away from that. identity to move away from that. identity to move away from that. >> I'm like I don't want to be like them. >> I'm like I don't want to be like them. >> I'm like I don't want to be like them. I'm going to do the exact opposite of I'm going to do the exact opposite of I'm going to do the exact opposite of what they would do. what they would do. what they would do. >> And that drove me. So like maybe that's >> And that drove me. So like maybe that's >> And that drove me. So like maybe that's why I set this goal. I'm like that's the why I set this goal. I'm like that's the why I set this goal. I'm like that's the exact opposite of what my family is, you exact opposite of what my family is, you exact opposite of what my family is, you know? know? know? >> Um >> Um >> Um >> yeah. So when I left bodybuilding to be >> yeah. So when I left bodybuilding to be >> yeah. So when I left bodybuilding to be honest even to now I feel more myself honest even to now I feel more myself honest even to now I feel more myself now than I ever have in my entire life. now than I ever have in my entire life. now than I ever have in my entire life. Even as a young kid, imagine like Even as a young kid, imagine like Even as a young kid, imagine like feeling like you're part of this this feeling like you're part of this this feeling like you're part of this this family of obese alcoholics, you know, family of obese alcoholics, you know, family of obese alcoholics, you know, drug addicts, gambling addicts, and uh drug addicts, gambling addicts, and uh drug addicts, gambling addicts, and uh not feeling like you belong there. like not feeling like you belong there. like not feeling like you belong there. like I can't be myself because I was very I can't be myself because I was very I can't be myself because I was very judged. My mom had a problem with judged. My mom had a problem with judged. My mom had a problem with alcoholism. Um so I was always sort of alcoholism. Um so I was always sort of alcoholism. Um so I was always sort of mistreated, treated like the step, you mistreated, treated like the step, you mistreated, treated like the step, you know, the stepchild. And uh yeah, so I know, the stepchild. And uh yeah, so I know, the stepchild. And uh yeah, so I was never able to be myself. So going was never able to be myself. So going was never able to be myself. So going through bodybuilding earned I think I through bodybuilding earned I think I through bodybuilding earned I think I earned my place in this world in earned my place in this world in earned my place in this world in bodybuilding. That's why I wanted to be bodybuilding. That's why I wanted to be bodybuilding. That's why I wanted to be the best. I'm like I'm going to go here the best. I'm like I'm going to go here the best. I'm like I'm going to go here because I'm going to make something of because I'm going to make something of because I'm going to make something of myself. myself. myself. >> Yeah. I I'd argue that it was part of >> Yeah. I I'd argue that it was part of >> Yeah. I I'd argue that it was part of you finding your identity going through you finding your identity going through you finding your identity going through it and it's more of which makes sense to it and it's more of which makes sense to it and it's more of which makes sense to why to Sal's point why you seem to have why to Sal's point why you seem to have why to Sal's point why you seem to have had this kind of almost easy transition had this kind of almost easy transition had this kind of almost easy transition out of it because you didn't wrap your out of it because you didn't wrap your out of it because you didn't wrap your identity around it was more so I proved identity around it was more so I proved identity around it was more so I proved to myself I'm not that other thing to myself I'm not that other thing to myself I'm not that other thing >> y >> y >> y >> and you've already proven that and it >> and you've already proven that and it >> and you've already proven that and it was probably some sense of relief of was probably some sense of relief of was probably some sense of relief of like well I've done I'm done proving it like well I've done I'm done proving it like well I've done I'm done proving it I don't need to prove anything anymore I don't need to prove anything anymore I don't need to prove anything anymore and so and so and so >> well I want to back up so you you were >> well I want to back up so you you were >> well I want to back up so you you were you you you went to the Olympia 98 at you you you went to the Olympia 98 at you you you went to the Olympia 98 at 160 pounds first of all what brought you 160 pounds first of all what brought you 160 pounds first of all what brought you to the Olympia to the Olympia to the Olympia So, I didn't have a good relationship So, I didn't have a good relationship So, I didn't have a good relationship with my dad growing up. Like my dad uh with my dad growing up. Like my dad uh with my dad growing up. Like my dad uh looking back on it, he's a my dad's a looking back on it, he's a my dad's a looking back on it, he's a my dad's a wonderful man. Um but my parents had wonderful man. Um but my parents had wonderful man. Um but my parents had separated and uh didn't have we didn't separated and uh didn't have we didn't separated and uh didn't have we didn't have a lot of contact. Um so when I was have a lot of contact. Um so when I was have a lot of contact. Um so when I was 15, I wanted to play sports. So I moved 15, I wanted to play sports. So I moved 15, I wanted to play sports. So I moved high schools to go live with my dad high schools to go live with my dad high schools to go live with my dad because I'd had to be in in the in the because I'd had to be in in the in the because I'd had to be in in the in the location. I had to be close to the location. I had to be close to the location. I had to be close to the school. school. school. >> So I'm living with my dad, just him and >> So I'm living with my dad, just him and >> So I'm living with my dad, just him and I. And uh we didn't really talk. We I. And uh we didn't really talk. We I. And uh we didn't really talk. We didn't realize my dad was not a very didn't realize my dad was not a very didn't realize my dad was not a very good communicator. Um so I started good communicator. Um so I started good communicator. Um so I started training and I was like, "Hey dad, I'm training and I was like, "Hey dad, I'm training and I was like, "Hey dad, I'm going to train at this gym just up the going to train at this gym just up the going to train at this gym just up the road. Would you can you sign me up?" road. Would you can you sign me up?" road. Would you can you sign me up?" He's like, "Yep, I'll pay for it. No He's like, "Yep, I'll pay for it. No He's like, "Yep, I'll pay for it. No problem." Um so I'm training at this gym problem." Um so I'm training at this gym problem." Um so I'm training at this gym and uh I didn't want to be a bodybuilder and uh I didn't want to be a bodybuilder and uh I didn't want to be a bodybuilder at all. No interest. Just want I just at all. No interest. Just want I just at all. No interest. Just want I just want to train cuz I was being recruited want to train cuz I was being recruited want to train cuz I was being recruited to play D1 baseball. to play D1 baseball. to play D1 baseball. >> So uh but I when I get to this gym uh >> So uh but I when I get to this gym uh >> So uh but I when I get to this gym uh there's a lot of bodybuilders there. And there's a lot of bodybuilders there. And there's a lot of bodybuilders there. And I open still to this point didn't want I open still to this point didn't want I open still to this point didn't want to be a bodybuilder. I opened up a to be a bodybuilder. I opened up a to be a bodybuilder. I opened up a magazine one day. I think it was Muslim magazine one day. I think it was Muslim magazine one day. I think it was Muslim fitness mid and flex and I saw an ad for fitness mid and flex and I saw an ad for fitness mid and flex and I saw an ad for the Olympia and it was in like 6 weeks the Olympia and it was in like 6 weeks the Olympia and it was in like 6 weeks and I was like hey you want to go I left and I was like hey you want to go I left and I was like hey you want to go I left it open on the on the kitchen uh table it open on the on the kitchen uh table it open on the on the kitchen uh table like you want to go to this he goes like you want to go to this he goes like you want to go to this he goes let's go and it was 6 weeks later and I let's go and it was 6 weeks later and I let's go and it was 6 weeks later and I went and we drove down it was 10-hour went and we drove down it was 10-hour went and we drove down it was 10-hour drive from Toronto drive from Toronto drive from Toronto >> and uh I was like this is all I want to >> and uh I was like this is all I want to >> and uh I was like this is all I want to do I just knew do I just knew do I just knew >> it just that's so random >> it just that's so random >> it just that's so random >> just how did you know cuz 160 lbs is way >> just how did you know cuz 160 lbs is way >> just how did you know cuz 160 lbs is way different than [laughter] different than [laughter] different than [laughter] eventually what you became eventually what you became eventually what you became >> that's wild that you could even see that >> that's wild that you could even see that >> that's wild that you could even see that I want to do that you're looking at that I want to do that you're looking at that I want to do that you're looking at that at 160 60. You think that's even at 160 60. You think that's even at 160 60. You think that's even baseball, too. So, how did that just baseball, too. So, how did that just baseball, too. So, how did that just shift real? shift real? shift real? >> I don't know, man. I was in the gym for, >> I don't know, man. I was in the gym for, >> I don't know, man. I was in the gym for, you know, 6 months, maybe 12 months at you know, 6 months, maybe 12 months at you know, 6 months, maybe 12 months at that point. Um, and I love I have I I that point. Um, and I love I have I I that point. Um, and I love I have I I think I have a bit of obsessive think I have a bit of obsessive think I have a bit of obsessive personality maybe. [laughter] personality maybe. [laughter] personality maybe. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I was training twice a day before >> So, I was training twice a day before >> So, I was training twice a day before school and after school. I just wanted school and after school. I just wanted school and after school. I just wanted to be the best and and I just want to be to be the best and and I just want to be to be the best and and I just want to be fast. So, like what I found in baseball fast. So, like what I found in baseball fast. So, like what I found in baseball and I was stupid. I didn't have any and I was stupid. I didn't have any and I was stupid. I didn't have any coaches or anything. I was just like if coaches or anything. I was just like if coaches or anything. I was just like if I do this stuff, I feel faster. So, I I do this stuff, I feel faster. So, I I do this stuff, I feel faster. So, I went to the gym twice a day, had the went to the gym twice a day, had the went to the gym twice a day, had the same thing same thing same thing >> every day. I was like, I'm going to go >> every day. I was like, I'm going to go >> every day. I was like, I'm going to go to this because it makes me faster. I to this because it makes me faster. I to this because it makes me faster. I was like, great. Um, so I was making was like, great. Um, so I was making was like, great. Um, so I was making decent progress, starting to see some decent progress, starting to see some decent progress, starting to see some some changes in my body, and then I some changes in my body, and then I some changes in my body, and then I don't know, man, when I got to I can don't know, man, when I got to I can don't know, man, when I got to I can remember as clear as it was yesterday, remember as clear as it was yesterday, remember as clear as it was yesterday, like exactly who who I was looking at, like exactly who who I was looking at, like exactly who who I was looking at, you know, Ronnie Coleman, they were you know, Ronnie Coleman, they were you know, Ronnie Coleman, they were wearing these suits. Ronnie Coleman was wearing these suits. Ronnie Coleman was wearing these suits. Ronnie Coleman was wearing a blue suit and he was Imagine a wearing a blue suit and he was Imagine a wearing a blue suit and he was Imagine a bodybuilding a blue suit. That's back bodybuilding a blue suit. That's back bodybuilding a blue suit. That's back when they had them all tailored to be when they had them all tailored to be when they had them all tailored to be had this big old suit. [laughter] had this big old suit. [laughter] had this big old suit. [laughter] They're They're They're >> ridiculous. >> ridiculous. >> ridiculous. cartoon character, man. And it was so cartoon character, man. And it was so cartoon character, man. And it was so small, right? Like the Olympia now is small, right? Like the Olympia now is small, right? Like the Olympia now is this big event. Back then it was like this big event. Back then it was like this big event. Back then it was like this little hall. Uh it was it was a this little hall. Uh it was it was a this little hall. Uh it was it was a joke. Was it joke. Was it joke. Was it >> was it in Vegas? Was it in Vegas? >> was it in Vegas? Was it in Vegas? >> was it in Vegas? Was it in Vegas? >> In New York City. The next year it was >> In New York City. The next year it was >> In New York City. The next year it was in Vegas. 99 was in Vegas. in Vegas. 99 was in Vegas. in Vegas. 99 was in Vegas. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> Oh wow. >> I went to that one too. [snorts] >> I went to that one too. [snorts] >> I went to that one too. [snorts] >> So there's a funny story. In '98 I went >> So there's a funny story. In '98 I went >> So there's a funny story. In '98 I went to uh it was in New York and I was 160 to uh it was in New York and I was 160 to uh it was in New York and I was 160 lbs. And the next year I went back and I lbs. And the next year I went back and I lbs. And the next year I went back and I was 230. was 230. was 230. >> Whoa. You went from 160 to 230 as a kid >> Whoa. You went from 160 to 230 as a kid >> Whoa. You went from 160 to 230 as a kid in the fir the first year. in the fir the first year. in the fir the first year. >> How old were you? 17. >> How old were you? 17. >> How old were you? 17. >> Holy. So you're not so you're obviously >> Holy. So you're not so you're obviously >> Holy. So you're not so you're obviously still natural at that time. Okay. So still natural at that time. Okay. So still natural at that time. Okay. So this is when you knew you had genetics this is when you knew you had genetics this is when you knew you had genetics for bodybuilding for sure. for bodybuilding for sure. for bodybuilding for sure. >> For eating maybe. [laughter] >> For eating maybe. [laughter] >> For eating maybe. [laughter] >> Well, so you were 230 and fat. No. >> Well, so you were 230 and fat. No. >> Well, so you were 230 and fat. No. >> Uh yeah, I was probably I was under 20%. >> Uh yeah, I was probably I was under 20%. >> Uh yeah, I was probably I was under 20%. I was probably 16 18%. I was probably 16 18%. I was probably 16 18%. >> Yeah, that's a lot of that's a massive >> Yeah, that's a lot of that's a massive >> Yeah, that's a lot of that's a massive amount of muscle. amount of muscle. amount of muscle. >> L pounds at that age. That's insane. >> L pounds at that age. That's insane. >> L pounds at that age. That's insane. >> 70 70 lbs at that age. >> 70 70 lbs at that age. >> 70 70 lbs at that age. >> Did you know now did you know as you're >> Did you know now did you know as you're >> Did you know now did you know as you're training uh and gaining all that size in training uh and gaining all that size in training uh and gaining all that size in a year? Cuz that's insane. Uh because I a year? Cuz that's insane. Uh because I a year? Cuz that's insane. Uh because I think that's how much muscle I gained my think that's how much muscle I gained my think that's how much muscle I gained my whole life. whole life. whole life. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> maybe. Uh were you like uh oh uh I think >> maybe. Uh were you like uh oh uh I think >> maybe. Uh were you like uh oh uh I think I'm good at this. I think I have I'm good at this. I think I have I'm good at this. I think I have genetics. genetics. genetics. >> Anybody say anything to you? Like hey >> Anybody say anything to you? Like hey >> Anybody say anything to you? Like hey dude, you dude, you dude, you >> So here's a funny story. I uh at the 99 >> So here's a funny story. I uh at the 99 >> So here's a funny story. I uh at the 99 Olympia, some man comes up to me and he Olympia, some man comes up to me and he Olympia, some man comes up to me and he he says, "Hey, I'd like to write an he says, "Hey, I'd like to write an he says, "Hey, I'd like to write an article for you. I write on you. I write article for you. I write on you. I write article for you. I write on you. I write for one of the magazines for one of the magazines for one of the magazines >> on you. You're just some kid." >> on you. You're just some kid." >> on you. You're just some kid." >> Yeah. He goes, "You as one of the future >> Yeah. He goes, "You as one of the future >> Yeah. He goes, "You as one of the future mass monsters of the sport." Now my my mass monsters of the sport." Now my my mass monsters of the sport." Now my my red flags will be going up. Hold on a red flags will be going up. Hold on a red flags will be going up. Hold on a second. You want to talk to a kid about second. You want to talk to a kid about second. You want to talk to a kid about >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Like so we did a >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Like so we did a >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Like so we did a little interview. I never saw that the little interview. I never saw that the little interview. I never saw that the article, but like that was sort of the article, but like that was sort of the article, but like that was sort of the first validation for me like, "Oh, maybe first validation for me like, "Oh, maybe first validation for me like, "Oh, maybe I'm on the right track." And cuz in one I'm on the right track." And cuz in one I'm on the right track." And cuz in one year I was year I was year I was >> Did he recognize you from the previous >> Did he recognize you from the previous >> Did he recognize you from the previous year or something? No, he just he just year or something? No, he just he just year or something? No, he just he just saw me and he's just saw some jacked saw me and he's just saw some jacked saw me and he's just saw some jacked young kid probably. I'm sure. young kid probably. I'm sure. young kid probably. I'm sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And you had no And so at that point, did >> And you had no And so at that point, did >> And you had no And so at that point, did you think, "Oh, I got good genetics." Or you think, "Oh, I got good genetics." Or you think, "Oh, I got good genetics." Or >> I didn't care, man. I just I so, you >> I didn't care, man. I just I so, you >> I didn't care, man. I just I so, you know, call me stupid. When I started know, call me stupid. When I started know, call me stupid. When I started this quest from like the 17-year-old 160 this quest from like the 17-year-old 160 this quest from like the 17-year-old 160 kid, I just didn't have any doubt that kid, I just didn't have any doubt that kid, I just didn't have any doubt that that that's what I was going to do. So, that that's what I was going to do. So, that that's what I was going to do. So, I was like, I'm going to do whatever it I was like, I'm going to do whatever it I was like, I'm going to do whatever it takes. There's no like maybe I'll do it, takes. There's no like maybe I'll do it, takes. There's no like maybe I'll do it, maybe I won't. I'm like, I'll train six maybe I won't. I'm like, I'll train six maybe I won't. I'm like, I'll train six times a day if I have to. I'll eat times a day if I have to. I'll eat times a day if I have to. I'll eat [ __ ] dog food if you tell me I need [ __ ] dog food if you tell me I need [ __ ] dog food if you tell me I need to. That's where I'm going. Um, so I I to. That's where I'm going. Um, so I I to. That's where I'm going. Um, so I I didn't care if for anyone's validation. didn't care if for anyone's validation. didn't care if for anyone's validation. I wasn't looking for anyone's I wasn't looking for anyone's I wasn't looking for anyone's validation. And then the next year, uh, validation. And then the next year, uh, validation. And then the next year, uh, I think it was early 2000, I was walking I think it was early 2000, I was walking I think it was early 2000, I was walking around one of the first shows I ever around one of the first shows I ever around one of the first shows I ever went to locally in Canada and, uh, I got went to locally in Canada and, uh, I got went to locally in Canada and, uh, I got my first bodybuilding contract. I got a my first bodybuilding contract. I got a my first bodybuilding contract. I got a contract with Muscle Tech. contract with Muscle Tech. contract with Muscle Tech. >> Is this before you competed? >> Is this before you competed? >> Is this before you competed? >> Way before I competed. Yeah. >> Way before I competed. Yeah. >> Way before I competed. Yeah. >> What? >> What? >> What? >> Cuz you're just walking around. >> Cuz you're just walking around. >> Cuz you're just walking around. >> You have to look crazy if people are >> You have to look crazy if people are >> You have to look crazy if people are doing this to you, dude. [laughter] doing this to you, dude. [laughter] doing this to you, dude. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, how did that happen? So, you're >> Well, how did that happen? So, you're >> Well, how did that happen? So, you're walking around. It's like a It's like a walking around. It's like a It's like a walking around. It's like a It's like a supplement expo or something. supplement expo or something. supplement expo or something. >> No, it was like a bodybuilding show, you >> No, it was like a bodybuilding show, you >> No, it was like a bodybuilding show, you know, like a local show where they have know, like a local show where they have know, like a local show where they have like some exhibitors set up. And because like some exhibitors set up. And because like some exhibitors set up. And because Muscle Tech was a Canadian company, they Muscle Tech was a Canadian company, they Muscle Tech was a Canadian company, they were based there. So this is either late were based there. So this is either late were based there. So this is either late 99 or early 2000. 99 or early 2000. 99 or early 2000. >> Is this when they had uh what's his >> Is this when they had uh what's his >> Is this when they had uh what's his name? Greg Kov. name? Greg Kov. name? Greg Kov. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Giant. You guys know >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Giant. You guys know >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Giant. You guys know who that was? Who? Who? who that was? Who? Who? who that was? Who? Who? >> He was giant. 400 lb. Greg Kovac. >> He was giant. 400 lb. Greg Kovac. >> He was giant. 400 lb. Greg Kovac. >> This guy's like overhead behind the neck >> This guy's like overhead behind the neck >> This guy's like overhead behind the neck pressing four plates. pressing four plates. pressing four plates. >> If I see him, I'll know. >> If I see him, I'll know. >> If I see him, I'll know. I've seen him. I've seen him. I've seen him. >> You'll know. You'll >> You'll know. You'll >> You'll know. You'll >> Yeah, if I see him, I'm sure I see. >> Yeah, if I see him, I'm sure I see. >> Yeah, if I see him, I'm sure I see. >> He was in all the muscle tech. >> He was in all the muscle tech. >> He was in all the muscle tech. >> Well, I was going to say I mean I was >> Well, I was going to say I mean I was >> Well, I was going to say I mean I was taking I was taking Celtech around those taking I was taking Celtech around those taking I was taking Celtech around those those years. So I know taking all that those years. So I know taking all that those years. So I know taking all that stuff. stuff. stuff. >> Yeah. Oh, this is uh Greg Kovac. K O V. >> Yeah. Oh, this is uh Greg Kovac. K O V. >> Yeah. Oh, this is uh Greg Kovac. K O V. >> I have a feeling the name already is >> I have a feeling the name already is >> I have a feeling the name already is ringing a bell when it's ringing a bell when it's ringing a bell when it's >> He was just a giant. He was like a giant >> He was just a giant. He was like a giant >> He was just a giant. He was like a giant human being. human being. human being. >> Was that their first big signing? Was >> Was that their first big signing? Was >> Was that their first big signing? Was that Was he the first big face of them? that Was he the first big face of them? that Was he the first big face of them? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> And then were you to follow? I mean, >> And then were you to follow? I mean, >> And then were you to follow? I mean, >> no, I was a kid. But like I was very >> no, I was a kid. But like I was very >> no, I was a kid. But like I was very happy to be getting free supplements. happy to be getting free supplements. happy to be getting free supplements. >> I was going to say, what was the >> I was going to say, what was the >> I was going to say, what was the contract? Just free. contract? Just free. contract? Just free. >> Whatever I wanted cuz the company was >> Whatever I wanted cuz the company was >> Whatever I wanted cuz the company was new. So I would literally just pull up new. So I would literally just pull up new. So I would literally just pull up whenever I wanted. whenever I wanted. whenever I wanted. >> You remember when that was such a big >> You remember when that was such a big >> You remember when that was such a big deal though? We talk about this all the deal though? We talk about this all the deal though? We talk about this all the time. Like if you would have asked us time. Like if you would have asked us time. Like if you would have asked us way back in the days if like we could way back in the days if like we could way back in the days if like we could just get free subs, we would have just get free subs, we would have just get free subs, we would have probably done. probably done. probably done. >> So imagine how that was the year before >> So imagine how that was the year before >> So imagine how that was the year before I went to university for the first year. I went to university for the first year. I went to university for the first year. And so when I went to university, I had And so when I went to university, I had And so when I went to university, I had this muscle tech contract. I had the this muscle tech contract. I had the this muscle tech contract. I had the muscle tech team athlete jacket. muscle tech team athlete jacket. muscle tech team athlete jacket. [laughter] I had closets full of [laughter] I had closets full of [laughter] I had closets full of Celltech and they used to have mezotech Celltech and they used to have mezotech Celltech and they used to have mezotech bars protein closets full. So I would bars protein closets full. So I would bars protein closets full. So I would trade. So like that's how I got through trade. So like that's how I got through trade. So like that's how I got through college, man. I was like, "Yeah, I'll college, man. I was like, "Yeah, I'll college, man. I was like, "Yeah, I'll trade you. I got some I got some trade you. I got some I got some trade you. I got some I got some protein." [laughter] protein." [laughter] protein." [laughter] >> Totally, man. >> Totally, man. >> Totally, man. >> Oh yeah, I totally remember. >> Oh yeah, I totally remember. >> Oh yeah, I totally remember. >> So look see see I'm on the right there >> So look see see I'm on the right there >> So look see see I'm on the right there next to next to next to I remember him. I remember him. I remember him. >> Yeah, he was he passed away, right? >> Yeah, he was he passed away, right? >> Yeah, he was he passed away, right? >> Yeah, he did. >> Yeah, he did. >> Yeah, he did. >> Yeah. Big. But he was I mean he was so >> Yeah. Big. But he was I mean he was so >> Yeah. Big. But he was I mean he was so strong. I mean he benched six, seven strong. I mean he benched six, seven strong. I mean he benched six, seven plates and just uh insane. plates and just uh insane. plates and just uh insane. >> Yeah, it was absurd. >> Yeah, it was absurd. >> Yeah, it was absurd. >> Yeah. Insane. Okay. So, you got you get >> Yeah. Insane. Okay. So, you got you get >> Yeah. Insane. Okay. So, you got you get this contract. You never competed. You this contract. You never competed. You this contract. You never competed. You didn't even look for it. You're just didn't even look for it. You're just didn't even look for it. You're just walking around and you're how old at walking around and you're how old at walking around and you're how old at this point? this point? this point? >> 19. >> 19. >> 19. >> 19. And how do you remember how big you >> 19. And how do you remember how big you >> 19. And how do you remember how big you were at this point? were at this point? were at this point? >> Probably 240. >> Probably 240. >> Probably 240. >> Okay. Do you at what point is someone >> Okay. Do you at what point is someone >> Okay. Do you at what point is someone coming up to you and saying was it then coming up to you and saying was it then coming up to you and saying was it then were they like you got to compete or were they like you got to compete or were they like you got to compete or they more interested in like no we just they more interested in like no we just they more interested in like no we just want this jack kid? want this jack kid? want this jack kid? >> They just want the jack kid. I because I >> They just want the jack kid. I because I >> They just want the jack kid. I because I was going to university I was like yeah was going to university I was like yeah was going to university I was like yeah I got to go to school for four years. So I got to go to school for four years. So I got to go to school for four years. So that yeah I never made any commits to that yeah I never made any commits to that yeah I never made any commits to competing. competing. competing. >> When you when you look back at those >> When you when you look back at those >> When you when you look back at those those two years of training uh what were those two years of training uh what were those two years of training uh what were you doing right and what were you not you doing right and what were you not you doing right and what were you not doing right? doing right? doing right? >> Taking advantage of new begans I think. >> Taking advantage of new begans I think. >> Taking advantage of new begans I think. And I I was just training all the time And I I was just training all the time And I I was just training all the time and I was very blessed I'll say like and I was very blessed I'll say like and I was very blessed I'll say like circumstantially. I went into the I just circumstantially. I went into the I just circumstantially. I went into the I just happened to be within walking distance happened to be within walking distance happened to be within walking distance of the only bodybuilding gym in Toronto. of the only bodybuilding gym in Toronto. of the only bodybuilding gym in Toronto. Um I could walk there in 15 minutes. Um I could walk there in 15 minutes. Um I could walk there in 15 minutes. Winter, sun, summer, doesn't matter. I'd Winter, sun, summer, doesn't matter. I'd Winter, sun, summer, doesn't matter. I'd walk, you know, twice a day. And I met walk, you know, twice a day. And I met walk, you know, twice a day. And I met these two guys, brothers, who uh were these two guys, brothers, who uh were these two guys, brothers, who uh were way further ahead. They were they were way further ahead. They were they were way further ahead. They were they were much far further ahead than me in much far further ahead than me in much far further ahead than me in bodybuilding. They they didn't bodybuilding. They they didn't bodybuilding. They they didn't necessarily teach me how to train. They necessarily teach me how to train. They necessarily teach me how to train. They taught me what hard work was. And these taught me what hard work was. And these taught me what hard work was. And these guys are still friends to this day. And guys are still friends to this day. And guys are still friends to this day. And uh uh uh >> that's cool. >> that's cool. >> that's cool. >> Without those guys, I wouldn't have been >> Without those guys, I wouldn't have been >> Without those guys, I wouldn't have been the man I am. like they just set the the man I am. like they just set the the man I am. like they just set the stand. They're only a couple years stand. They're only a couple years stand. They're only a couple years older, but they were just so much bigger older, but they were just so much bigger older, but they were just so much bigger and they worked. So, when I moved to the and they worked. So, when I moved to the and they worked. So, when I moved to the US, and I tell this story often on my US, and I tell this story often on my US, and I tell this story often on my podcast, uh when I went to Venice, I was podcast, uh when I went to Venice, I was podcast, uh when I went to Venice, I was expecting professional bodybuilders to expecting professional bodybuilders to expecting professional bodybuilders to be really hardworking people. [laughter] be really hardworking people. [laughter] be really hardworking people. [laughter] And so, And so, And so, >> I'm laughing cuz I I've heard so many >> I'm laughing cuz I I've heard so many >> I'm laughing cuz I I've heard so many stories of stories of stories of >> dude, I was ready to go, >> dude, I was ready to go, >> dude, I was ready to go, >> but the Southern California >> but the Southern California >> but the Southern California >> want to go to war, man. I'm like, let's >> want to go to war, man. I'm like, let's >> want to go to war, man. I'm like, let's [ __ ] go. I'm going to kill these [ __ ] go. I'm going to kill these [ __ ] go. I'm going to kill these guys. guys. guys. >> And I'm like, what was that? I'm not >> And I'm like, what was that? I'm not >> And I'm like, what was that? I'm not gonna I'm not going to call out names, gonna I'm not going to call out names, gonna I'm not going to call out names, but I was like, this is a workout. I was but I was like, this is a workout. I was but I was like, this is a workout. I was like, what are these guys doing? Is this like, what are these guys doing? Is this like, what are these guys doing? Is this a joke? So these guys, the these two a joke? So these guys, the these two a joke? So these guys, the these two brothers, uh, name is Vic and Dan, um, brothers, uh, name is Vic and Dan, um, brothers, uh, name is Vic and Dan, um, they they taught me everything, man. they they taught me everything, man. they they taught me everything, man. They taught me like what hard work was, They taught me like what hard work was, They taught me like what hard work was, and they used to just destroy me and and they used to just destroy me and and they used to just destroy me and destroy each other. And so like we were destroy each other. And so like we were destroy each other. And so like we were not not right sometimes, man. We're not not right sometimes, man. We're not not right sometimes, man. We're doing crazy stuff. So like when I went doing crazy stuff. So like when I went doing crazy stuff. So like when I went to the US, I was like, "Oh, like I can to the US, I was like, "Oh, like I can to the US, I was like, "Oh, like I can hang with these guys. I'm better than hang with these guys. I'm better than hang with these guys. I'm better than these guys." I would do two sets to these guys." I would do two sets to these guys." I would do two sets to everyone for everyone I was training everyone for everyone I was training everyone for everyone I was training against. So that was always a a real against. So that was always a a real against. So that was always a a real point of it was really an advantage for point of it was really an advantage for point of it was really an advantage for me, like psychological advantage for me, like psychological advantage for me, like psychological advantage for sure. But physically manage, my sure. But physically manage, my sure. But physically manage, my conditioning was way better. My strength conditioning was way better. My strength conditioning was way better. My strength was way better was way better was way better >> cuz like that that was my standard. I >> cuz like that that was my standard. I >> cuz like that that was my standard. I just like like nobody would keep up. You just like like nobody would keep up. You just like like nobody would keep up. You know, there's a couple bodybuilders know, there's a couple bodybuilders know, there's a couple bodybuilders throughout my career that kept up, but throughout my career that kept up, but throughout my career that kept up, but not many. not many. not many. >> Who were the ones that you that you >> Who were the ones that you that you >> Who were the ones that you that you branch guys like that? branch guys like that? branch guys like that? >> I never have to train with branch. I >> I never have to train with branch. I >> I never have to train with branch. I call them on so many times. Never want call them on so many times. Never want call them on so many times. Never want to do it. to do it. to do it. >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> Oh, really? >> No. You know, cuz we had that like >> No. You know, cuz we had that like >> No. You know, cuz we had that like public conflict which is sort of public conflict which is sort of public conflict which is sort of contrived, but I was like, "Dude, come contrived, but I was like, "Dude, come contrived, but I was like, "Dude, come do one workout on my gym. We'll do my do one workout on my gym. We'll do my do one workout on my gym. We'll do my style. Then we'll go to your gym. I'll style. Then we'll go to your gym. I'll style. Then we'll go to your gym. I'll do your style whenever you want." Didn't do your style whenever you want." Didn't do your style whenever you want." Didn't want to come. That's okay. want to come. That's okay. want to come. That's okay. >> Um [laughter] >> Um [laughter] >> Um [laughter] >> I didn't know that. >> I didn't know that. >> I didn't know that. >> Yeah. I didn't I didn't know that. >> Yeah. I didn't I didn't know that. >> Yeah. I didn't I didn't know that. >> Um Roly Winkler is a [ __ ] freak. >> Um Roly Winkler is a [ __ ] freak. >> Um Roly Winkler is a [ __ ] freak. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, I know he looks like he's got >> Well, I know he looks like he's got >> Well, I know he looks like he's got crazy genetics, but he trains like like crazy genetics, but he trains like like crazy genetics, but he trains like like a maniac. a maniac. a maniac. >> Stupid strong and ridiculous endurance. >> Stupid strong and ridiculous endurance. >> Stupid strong and ridiculous endurance. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Ridiculous endurance. Okay. Yeah. >> Ridiculous endurance. Okay. Yeah. >> Ridiculous endurance. Okay. Yeah. >> Um I don't think he trains like a maniac >> Um I don't think he trains like a maniac >> Um I don't think he trains like a maniac cuz he'll take 10 15 minutes between a cuz he'll take 10 15 minutes between a cuz he'll take 10 15 minutes between a set, but like when he gets going like set, but like when he gets going like set, but like when he gets going like that guy's output is nuts. that guy's output is nuts. that guy's output is nuts. >> Wow. Wow. >> Wow. Wow. >> Wow. Wow. >> Yeah. He probably has the greatest >> Yeah. He probably has the greatest >> Yeah. He probably has the greatest output. output. output. >> You ever train with Cutler? I know he >> You ever train with Cutler? I know he >> You ever train with Cutler? I know he also he had a fast pace. also he had a fast pace. also he had a fast pace. >> No, I never train with Jay. >> No, I never train with Jay. >> No, I never train with Jay. >> Okay. Um, yeah, those that really is the >> Okay. Um, yeah, those that really is the >> Okay. Um, yeah, those that really is the only bodybuilder I was like only bodybuilder I was like only bodybuilder I was like >> like I had to work to beat them. Usually >> like I had to work to beat them. Usually >> like I had to work to beat them. Usually I didn't have to work to beat people. I I didn't have to work to beat people. I I didn't have to work to beat people. I could like goof around a little bit and could like goof around a little bit and could like goof around a little bit and be a be a cocky prick. be a be a cocky prick. be a be a cocky prick. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But, [laughter] uh, >> But, [laughter] uh, >> But, [laughter] uh, >> there's a couple bodybuilders you watch >> there's a couple bodybuilders you watch >> there's a couple bodybuilders you watch them, you watch training videos of them them, you watch training videos of them them, you watch training videos of them and you just see there certain like and you just see there certain like and you just see there certain like Gaspari is one like just crazy work Gaspari is one like just crazy work Gaspari is one like just crazy work ethic. He's just maniac in there. Uh, ethic. He's just maniac in there. Uh, ethic. He's just maniac in there. Uh, Platt like just absolute. Platt like just absolute. Platt like just absolute. >> I think Platz was I mean and I don't >> I think Platz was I mean and I don't >> I think Platz was I mean and I don't want to take anything away from him want to take anything away from him want to take anything away from him because he was my early idol. Looking because he was my early idol. Looking because he was my early idol. Looking back at it, I think it was a show. Like back at it, I think it was a show. Like back at it, I think it was a show. Like watching those videos, I'm like, I could watching those videos, I'm like, I could watching those videos, I'm like, I could do that. Like the output and the the do that. Like the output and the the do that. Like the output and the the escapades. I'm like, I'm not sure if he escapades. I'm like, I'm not sure if he escapades. I'm like, I'm not sure if he was actually thinking he was working was actually thinking he was working was actually thinking he was working hard or if it was actually just like I'm hard or if it was actually just like I'm hard or if it was actually just like I'm putting on a show cuz I'm film putting on a show cuz I'm film putting on a show cuz I'm film [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] I don't want to take anything away from I don't want to take anything away from I don't want to take anything away from the guy like but watching it, I was like the guy like but watching it, I was like the guy like but watching it, I was like h it's a bit of an exhibition, you know. h it's a bit of an exhibition, you know. h it's a bit of an exhibition, you know. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Well, cuz if you watch Dorian Train, who >> Well, cuz if you watch Dorian Train, who >> Well, cuz if you watch Dorian Train, who I have the utmost respect for Oh, god. I have the utmost respect for Oh, god. I have the utmost respect for Oh, god. >> It's not It's crazy. But it's not this >> It's not It's crazy. But it's not this >> It's not It's crazy. But it's not this exhibition where I'm trying to like exhibition where I'm trying to like exhibition where I'm trying to like scream at the camera. I'm like, "Just scream at the camera. I'm like, "Just scream at the camera. I'm like, "Just chill out, man. Like, do the work." You chill out, man. Like, do the work." You chill out, man. Like, do the work." You know? [laughter] know? [laughter] know? [laughter] >> Dorian Dorian's impressive cuz his gym >> Dorian Dorian's impressive cuz his gym >> Dorian Dorian's impressive cuz his gym was it was just basement, bro. It was was it was just basement, bro. It was was it was just basement, bro. It was like a dark like small. It was like a like a dark like small. It was like a like a dark like small. It was like a small little junky. small little junky. small little junky. >> Have you been there? >> Have you been there? >> Have you been there? >> But I' never been there. >> But I' never been there. >> But I' never been there. >> Yeah. It's a [ __ ] hole. [laughter] >> Yeah. It's a [ __ ] hole. [laughter] >> Yeah. It's a [ __ ] hole. [laughter] >> It's perfect, you know. >> It's perfect, you know. >> It's perfect, you know. >> It's like dark. >> It's like dark. >> It's like dark. >> The gym I started training at was also a >> The gym I started training at was also a >> The gym I started training at was also a [ __ ] hole. [ __ ] hole. [ __ ] hole. >> Where was it? >> Where was it? >> Where was it? >> So, the one I started training at that I >> So, the one I started training at that I >> So, the one I started training at that I was saying I used to walk to. was saying I used to walk to. was saying I used to walk to. >> Yeah. Uh it was called Mac's Gym in >> Yeah. Uh it was called Mac's Gym in >> Yeah. Uh it was called Mac's Gym in Toronto and the guy was an 87y old Toronto and the guy was an 87y old Toronto and the guy was an 87y old Japanese man who owned the gym. His name Japanese man who owned the gym. His name Japanese man who owned the gym. His name is Mac is Mac is Mac >> and he had welded all the equipment >> and he had welded all the equipment >> and he had welded all the equipment personally. So nothing was it was all personally. So nothing was it was all personally. So nothing was it was all welded personally welded. welded personally welded. welded personally welded. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Oh that's like one of your dream talk a >> Oh that's like one of your dream talk a >> Oh that's like one of your dream talk a little bit about the culture because uh little bit about the culture because uh little bit about the culture because uh there's we we brought this up on the there's we we brought this up on the there's we we brought this up on the show. So we we love to communicate uh to show. So we we love to communicate uh to show. So we we love to communicate uh to average person like you know as trainers average person like you know as trainers average person like you know as trainers like I'm not speaking to the fitness like I'm not speaking to the fitness like I'm not speaking to the fitness fanatic. I love fitness fanatics. We fanatic. I love fitness fanatics. We fanatic. I love fitness fanatics. We could talk science all day, the hardcore could talk science all day, the hardcore could talk science all day, the hardcore stuff, but I like talking to the average stuff, but I like talking to the average stuff, but I like talking to the average person because they need help. And one person because they need help. And one person because they need help. And one of the fears that people have, of the fears that people have, of the fears that people have, especially women, and it's less these especially women, and it's less these especially women, and it's less these days than it used to be, but still, is days than it used to be, but still, is days than it used to be, but still, is the intimidation factor of going to the the intimidation factor of going to the the intimidation factor of going to the gym. And what I try to communicate to gym. And what I try to communicate to gym. And what I try to communicate to these people is like the more hardcore these people is like the more hardcore these people is like the more hardcore the gym, the gym, the gym, >> the better the culture. Like you'll walk >> the better the culture. Like you'll walk >> the better the culture. Like you'll walk in, you could be a total beginner, you in, you could be a total beginner, you in, you could be a total beginner, you could be a 65y old woman, you could be could be a 65y old woman, you could be could be a 65y old woman, you could be 300 lb 300 lb 300 lb >> and you walk in and you put out some >> and you walk in and you put out some >> and you walk in and you put out some effort and you'll get experienced people effort and you'll get experienced people effort and you'll get experienced people coming over just trying to help you and coming over just trying to help you and coming over just trying to help you and coach you for free. Talk talk a little coach you for free. Talk talk a little coach you for free. Talk talk a little bit about the culture. bit about the culture. bit about the culture. >> Uh because I think we're missing that >> Uh because I think we're missing that >> Uh because I think we're missing that and I think it's such an important and I think it's such an important and I think it's such an important aspect of of fit. I think it's one of aspect of of fit. I think it's one of aspect of of fit. I think it's one of the most valuable aspects of of gyms. the most valuable aspects of of gyms. the most valuable aspects of of gyms. >> Yeah, it's a great thought, man. So my >> Yeah, it's a great thought, man. So my >> Yeah, it's a great thought, man. So my gym is like that. My gym is is an gym is like that. My gym is is an gym is like that. My gym is is an amazing culture where like everyone amazing culture where like everyone amazing culture where like everyone knows your name and you're training with knows your name and you're training with knows your name and you're training with the same people all the time and we're the same people all the time and we're the same people all the time and we're trying to make each other better. I was trying to make each other better. I was trying to make each other better. I was blessed in the beginning uh exactly as blessed in the beginning uh exactly as blessed in the beginning uh exactly as you say to be like the kid who was dumb you say to be like the kid who was dumb you say to be like the kid who was dumb and like a deer in headlights and I just and like a deer in headlights and I just and like a deer in headlights and I just had some old dudes be like, "Hey man, had some old dudes be like, "Hey man, had some old dudes be like, "Hey man, don't do it like that. Do like this. Try don't do it like that. Do like this. Try don't do it like that. Do like this. Try this way." I'm like, "Okay." All I had this way." I'm like, "Okay." All I had this way." I'm like, "Okay." All I had You want to laugh? You guys laugh at You want to laugh? You guys laugh at You want to laugh? You guys laugh at this. My first nickname in the gym. this. My first nickname in the gym. this. My first nickname in the gym. >> Little screamer boy. [laughter] >> Little screamer boy. [laughter] >> Little screamer boy. [laughter] >> True story. >> True story. >> True story. >> True story. Guys at the gym. Oh my god. >> True story. Guys at the gym. Oh my god. >> True story. Guys at the gym. Oh my god. >> Go and work hard like [laughter] >> Go and work hard like [laughter] >> Go and work hard like [laughter] >> Yeah, that was my first. >> Yeah, that was my first. >> Yeah, that was my first. >> And they loved you. I bet they love you >> And they loved you. I bet they love you >> And they loved you. I bet they love you for it. Like this kid over here is for it. Like this kid over here is for it. Like this kid over here is killing himself. He's awesome. killing himself. He's awesome. killing himself. He's awesome. >> So man, my my habit was, you know, I go >> So man, my my habit was, you know, I go >> So man, my my habit was, you know, I go to failure on the bench press, but you to failure on the bench press, but you to failure on the bench press, but you get stuck. So what do you do? You roll get stuck. So what do you do? You roll get stuck. So what do you do? You roll it off. it off. it off. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'm like like what are you >> You know, I'm like like what are you >> You know, I'm like like what are you doing, man? Ask for a spot. I'm like I doing, man? Ask for a spot. I'm like I doing, man? Ask for a spot. I'm like I didn't want to bother anybody, so I roll didn't want to bother anybody, so I roll didn't want to bother anybody, so I roll it off. You roll it [laughter] off your it off. You roll it [laughter] off your it off. You roll it [laughter] off your chest. chest. chest. >> Stupid. >> Stupid. >> Stupid. >> But those are great. It's such a great >> But those are great. It's such a great >> But those are great. It's such a great man. I was just it it literally uh I've man. I was just it it literally uh I've man. I was just it it literally uh I've been talking about this recently on the been talking about this recently on the been talking about this recently on the show because um you know we worked in show because um you know we worked in show because um you know we worked in big box gyms and we've been in the gym big box gyms and we've been in the gym big box gyms and we've been in the gym industry. We were in the gym industry industry. We were in the gym industry industry. We were in the gym industry for a long time for a long time for a long time >> and so you >> and so you >> and so you >> you start to see trends in uh in the gym >> you start to see trends in uh in the gym >> you start to see trends in uh in the gym and uh in gym industry and you see these and uh in gym industry and you see these and uh in gym industry and you see these trends where they seem to come out of trends where they seem to come out of trends where they seem to come out of nowhere. You're like what is it about nowhere. You're like what is it about nowhere. You're like what is it about this trend or what's going on? Why is it this trend or what's going on? Why is it this trend or what's going on? Why is it attracting so many people? Um and what's attracting so many people? Um and what's attracting so many people? Um and what's going on? What's happening here? And going on? What's happening here? And going on? What's happening here? And CrossFit was one of these. Like CrossFit CrossFit was one of these. Like CrossFit CrossFit was one of these. Like CrossFit came out of nowhere, right? came out of nowhere, right? came out of nowhere, right? >> And these are these are crapole gyms. >> And these are these are crapole gyms. >> And these are these are crapole gyms. They have barely any equipment. Uh They have barely any equipment. Uh They have barely any equipment. Uh they're typically uh don't even have AC. they're typically uh don't even have AC. they're typically uh don't even have AC. The programming isn't great. Uh but The programming isn't great. Uh but The programming isn't great. Uh but super popular and and it's not that super popular and and it's not that super popular and and it's not that they're deadlifting and squatting. I they're deadlifting and squatting. I they're deadlifting and squatting. I know that they kind of brought those know that they kind of brought those know that they kind of brought those back into popularity partially to uh to back into popularity partially to uh to back into popularity partially to uh to credit for that. It's the community. credit for that. It's the community. credit for that. It's the community. They they understood community. And it's They they understood community. And it's They they understood community. And it's so funny because uh it wasn't that long so funny because uh it wasn't that long so funny because uh it wasn't that long ago. I was watching I've seen I've seen ago. I was watching I've seen I've seen ago. I was watching I've seen I've seen pumping air at least a million times, pumping air at least a million times, pumping air at least a million times, but I was watching it. One of the things but I was watching it. One of the things but I was watching it. One of the things I like to do when I watch it when I was I like to do when I watch it when I was I like to do when I watch it when I was a kid is I would watch the background a kid is I would watch the background a kid is I would watch the background because you've seen it so many times. I because you've seen it so many times. I because you've seen it so many times. I know what Arnold's going to say. I know know what Arnold's going to say. I know know what Arnold's going to say. I know what's happening with Lou, but I'd watch what's happening with Lou, but I'd watch what's happening with Lou, but I'd watch the background. There's, you know, the the background. There's, you know, the the background. There's, you know, the weird dude in the back doing the funny weird dude in the back doing the funny weird dude in the back doing the funny curls where when Lou's working out and curls where when Lou's working out and curls where when Lou's working out and this guy over here doing this thing and this guy over here doing this thing and this guy over here doing this thing and I I realized like there's no music I I realized like there's no music I I realized like there's no music playing. playing. playing. >> They're not there's no music in the >> They're not there's no music in the >> They're not there's no music in the back. They didn't even play music in the back. They didn't even play music in the back. They didn't even play music in the gyms. Like gyms. Like gyms. Like >> Joe Gold wouldn't allow music in the >> Joe Gold wouldn't allow music in the >> Joe Gold wouldn't allow music in the gyms. gyms. gyms. >> He wouldn't allow music in the gym. >> He wouldn't allow music in the gym. >> He wouldn't allow music in the gym. >> Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. No. >> Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. No. >> Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. No. >> So Joe Gold started Gold's gym. sold >> So Joe Gold started Gold's gym. sold >> So Joe Gold started Gold's gym. sold sold it to someone and then to Ed sold it to someone and then to Ed sold it to someone and then to Ed Connors and then he started World Gym. Connors and then he started World Gym. Connors and then he started World Gym. Never allowed music in the gym. Never allowed music in the gym. Never allowed music in the gym. >> That's right. It was it was about it was >> That's right. It was it was about it was >> That's right. It was it was about it was about the culture. about the culture. about the culture. >> Well, we've talked about that, but I I >> Well, we've talked about that, but I I >> Well, we've talked about that, but I I never unders never knew if that was like never unders never knew if that was like never unders never knew if that was like a rule or just a rule or just a rule or just >> wouldn't allow it. >> wouldn't allow it. >> wouldn't allow it. >> Oh, interesting. >> Oh, interesting. >> Oh, interesting. >> Yeah. If you made if you you know did >> Yeah. If you made if you you know did >> Yeah. If you made if you you know did anything crazy kick you out like he kick anything crazy kick you out like he kick anything crazy kick you out like he kick everybody got terrible temper. everybody got terrible temper. everybody got terrible temper. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But so I you know when I'm as I'm >> Yeah. But so I you know when I'm as I'm >> Yeah. But so I you know when I'm as I'm watching this I'm like thinking about it watching this I'm like thinking about it watching this I'm like thinking about it like one of the worst thing I think and like one of the worst thing I think and like one of the worst thing I think and I know people are going to hate this I know people are going to hate this I know people are going to hate this because fitness fanatics don't care but because fitness fanatics don't care but because fitness fanatics don't care but I think one of the worst things that I think one of the worst things that I think one of the worst things that we've done is wear headphones in the we've done is wear headphones in the we've done is wear headphones in the gym. We're in our own little bubble by gym. We're in our own little bubble by gym. We're in our own little bubble by ourselves. ourselves. ourselves. >> Yeah, you're right. And people won't >> Yeah, you're right. And people won't >> Yeah, you're right. And people won't talk to you because you have the talk to you because you have the talk to you because you have the headphones on headphones on headphones on >> and nobody's talking to each other. I'm >> and nobody's talking to each other. I'm >> and nobody's talking to each other. I'm in my own space. Now I get it if you're in my own space. Now I get it if you're in my own space. Now I get it if you're like super hardcore fitness fanatic, you like super hardcore fitness fanatic, you like super hardcore fitness fanatic, you know? Uh cuz that's your thing. know? Uh cuz that's your thing. know? Uh cuz that's your thing. >> Uh that's me when I go in there. I don't >> Uh that's me when I go in there. I don't >> Uh that's me when I go in there. I don't care. Yeah. But most people are not care. Yeah. But most people are not care. Yeah. But most people are not fitness fanatics. And most people need fitness fanatics. And most people need fitness fanatics. And most people need to develop a relationship with fitness to develop a relationship with fitness to develop a relationship with fitness that lasts forever. that lasts forever. that lasts forever. >> And it's a community that does that. And >> And it's a community that does that. And >> And it's a community that does that. And there and there's no opportunity for there and there's no opportunity for there and there's no opportunity for that when we're all isolated in our own that when we're all isolated in our own that when we're all isolated in our own little bubble in what used to be little bubble in what used to be little bubble in what used to be >> a culture thing. >> a culture thing. >> a culture thing. >> Yeah, I hear you, man. I I would say >> Yeah, I hear you, man. I I would say >> Yeah, I hear you, man. I I would say that if you and I train together, for that if you and I train together, for that if you and I train together, for example, example, example, >> Yeah. I would hope that the >> Yeah. I would hope that the >> Yeah. I would hope that the conversation, the dialogue that we have conversation, the dialogue that we have conversation, the dialogue that we have between sets would be the thing that between sets would be the thing that between sets would be the thing that makes you better in life and in the set, makes you better in life and in the set, makes you better in life and in the set, you know, you know, you know, >> talking like a trainer, bro. I know. >> talking like a trainer, bro. I know. >> talking like a trainer, bro. I know. >> So many people are trying to like, you >> So many people are trying to like, you >> So many people are trying to like, you know, block everything out. Like the know, block everything out. Like the know, block everything out. Like the dynamic you create should be the thing dynamic you create should be the thing dynamic you create should be the thing that makes you better. that makes you better. that makes you better. >> Yeah. I think that's important. Like >> Yeah. I think that's important. Like >> Yeah. I think that's important. Like again, maybe not everyone's training again, maybe not everyone's training again, maybe not everyone's training with other people, but I think everyone with other people, but I think everyone with other people, but I think everyone should aspire to have at least one should aspire to have at least one should aspire to have at least one training partner. What What a gift. training partner. What What a gift. training partner. What What a gift. When you look back at all the guys that When you look back at all the guys that When you look back at all the guys that you trained with, was there anybody that you trained with, was there anybody that you trained with, was there anybody that you hit it off so much with that you you hit it off so much with that you you hit it off so much with that you trained consistently with for a while? trained consistently with for a while? trained consistently with for a while? >> Some great ones. No, no pros, man. No >> Some great ones. No, no pros, man. No >> Some great ones. No, no pros, man. No pros. pros. pros. >> No, I didn't have any great pro >> No, I didn't have any great pro >> No, I didn't have any great pro bodybuilder training part partners. bodybuilder training part partners. bodybuilder training part partners. >> Was that just because they didn't live >> Was that just because they didn't live >> Was that just because they didn't live up to what you thought? up to what you thought? up to what you thought? >> I didn't get along well with any of the >> I didn't get along well with any of the >> I didn't get along well with any of the open bodybuilding guys. open bodybuilding guys. open bodybuilding guys. >> That's so funny to me that you don't. >> That's so funny to me that you don't. >> That's so funny to me that you don't. You have such a likable eating. Were you You have such a likable eating. Were you You have such a likable eating. Were you more of an [ __ ] before we hung out? more of an [ __ ] before we hung out? more of an [ __ ] before we hung out? >> Were you a prick? [laughter] >> Were you a prick? [laughter] >> Were you a prick? [laughter] >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> you probably were. You probably you >> you probably were. You probably you >> you probably were. You probably you probably realized how much harder you probably realized how much harder you probably realized how much harder you train everybody else than you lost train everybody else than you lost train everybody else than you lost respect for everybody and you and you respect for everybody and you and you respect for everybody and you and you wore that on your wore that on your wore that on your >> I wouldn't disrespect anybody. I would >> I wouldn't disrespect anybody. I would >> I wouldn't disrespect anybody. I would in fact I would love to train with in fact I would love to train with in fact I would love to train with anybody. anybody. anybody. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Um but if I'm training with you, I'm >> Um but if I'm training with you, I'm >> Um but if I'm training with you, I'm going to make you know that you're going to make you know that you're going to make you know that you're inferior. [laughter] inferior. [laughter] inferior. [laughter] >> But >> But >> But >> okay, >> okay, >> okay, >> by by any means necessary, right? By any >> by by any means necessary, right? By any >> by by any means necessary, right? By any means necessary. means necessary. means necessary. >> So I think that may have come across in >> So I think that may have come across in >> So I think that may have come across in a way [laughter] a way [laughter] a way [laughter] >> a little intimidating a little bit >> a little intimidating a little bit >> a little intimidating a little bit by Yeah, by any means necessary. Um, by Yeah, by any means necessary. Um, by Yeah, by any means necessary. Um, >> so yeah. No, I think I just I think you >> so yeah. No, I think I just I think you >> so yeah. No, I think I just I think you know when you're when you're [snorts] know when you're when you're [snorts] know when you're when you're [snorts] interacting with 10 to 12 or 15 of like interacting with 10 to 12 or 15 of like interacting with 10 to 12 or 15 of like really alpha men who are competing for really alpha men who are competing for really alpha men who are competing for each other's salary and competing for each other's salary and competing for each other's salary and competing for each other's trophies. each other's trophies. each other's trophies. >> You're not going to be friendly, man. So >> You're not going to be friendly, man. So >> You're not going to be friendly, man. So I, you know, I was close with Cedric. I, you know, I was close with Cedric. I, you know, I was close with Cedric. >> I was close with Sean Rhoden. I was >> I was close with Sean Rhoden. I was >> I was close with Sean Rhoden. I was close to Brandon. But because we travel close to Brandon. But because we travel close to Brandon. But because we travel together later in the career, I was together later in the career, I was together later in the career, I was close with Dexter. Um, I am close with close with Dexter. Um, I am close with close with Dexter. Um, I am close with Dexter. We we travel together a lot, you Dexter. We we travel together a lot, you Dexter. We we travel together a lot, you know. Um, but like [clears throat] as know. Um, but like [clears throat] as know. Um, but like [clears throat] as far as training in the gym, I I don't far as training in the gym, I I don't far as training in the gym, I I don't think I train with any of those guys. think I train with any of those guys. think I train with any of those guys. >> No. So, who So, like who was the first >> No. So, who So, like who was the first >> No. So, who So, like who was the first guy that obviously wasn't a a pro guy that obviously wasn't a a pro guy that obviously wasn't a a pro bodybuilder that like you were lifting bodybuilder that like you were lifting bodybuilder that like you were lifting and you went, "Oh, this this is someone and you went, "Oh, this this is someone and you went, "Oh, this this is someone I want to latch on to or that I would I want to latch on to or that I would I want to latch on to or that I would work out more with, like who who was work out more with, like who who was work out more with, like who who was that to you?" that to you?" that to you?" >> So, I'll say this. If any of my old >> So, I'll say this. If any of my old >> So, I'll say this. If any of my old training partners are listening, I training partners are listening, I training partners are listening, I wasn't always nice in the gym because it wasn't always nice in the gym because it wasn't always nice in the gym because it was all businessmen and like if anyone was all businessmen and like if anyone was all businessmen and like if anyone slowed me down, they weren't going to slowed me down, they weren't going to slowed me down, they weren't going to last very long. So training partners last very long. So training partners last very long. So training partners were the people who were willing to show were the people who were willing to show were the people who were willing to show up, do the work, and not [ __ ] up, do the work, and not [ __ ] up, do the work, and not [ __ ] complain. And there wasn't a lot of complain. And there wasn't a lot of complain. And there wasn't a lot of those. I would burn through those pretty those. I would burn through those pretty those. I would burn through those pretty quickly. So throughout my career, I had quickly. So throughout my career, I had quickly. So throughout my career, I had four guys total who like were long-term four guys total who like were long-term four guys total who like were long-term training partners. Yeah. training partners. Yeah. training partners. Yeah. >> And it would be like, "Hey man, you want >> And it would be like, "Hey man, you want >> And it would be like, "Hey man, you want to do lunges?" "Yep." "Hey man, you want to do lunges?" "Yep." "Hey man, you want to do lunges?" "Yep." "Hey man, you want to do extensions?" "Yep." "Hey man." to do extensions?" "Yep." "Hey man." to do extensions?" "Yep." "Hey man." Like all they would say the whole Like all they would say the whole Like all they would say the whole [ __ ] workout is, "Yep." [ __ ] workout is, "Yep." [ __ ] workout is, "Yep." >> I was like, "Perfect." >> I was like, "Perfect." >> I was like, "Perfect." >> Cuz I don't want to hear about your >> Cuz I don't want to hear about your >> Cuz I don't want to hear about your [ __ ] problems. I don't want to hear [ __ ] problems. I don't want to hear [ __ ] problems. I don't want to hear about your life. I don't want to hear about your life. I don't want to hear about your life. I don't want to hear about what you ate. I don't want to hear about what you ate. I don't want to hear about what you ate. I don't want to hear about your knees being sore. If you about your knees being sore. If you about your knees being sore. If you can't show up the train, don't show up. can't show up the train, don't show up. can't show up the train, don't show up. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um so I was all business and that wasn't >> Um so I was all business and that wasn't >> Um so I was all business and that wasn't always received very well by men who always received very well by men who always received very well by men who have giant egos. have giant egos. have giant egos. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So um yeah, there's a couple guys, man. >> So um yeah, there's a couple guys, man. >> So um yeah, there's a couple guys, man. So like Vic, the early guy who who's uh So like Vic, the early guy who who's uh So like Vic, the early guy who who's uh you know, massive influence on my you know, massive influence on my you know, massive influence on my intensity early. Um there's another intensity early. Um there's another intensity early. Um there's another amazing story behind that one. I'll I'll amazing story behind that one. I'll I'll amazing story behind that one. I'll I'll share this story because it's worth share this story because it's worth share this story because it's worth worth sharing. So 2013, I got second at worth sharing. So 2013, I got second at worth sharing. So 2013, I got second at the Arnold Classic. I don't know if you the Arnold Classic. I don't know if you the Arnold Classic. I don't know if you guys remember that, but Dexter guys remember that, but Dexter guys remember that, but Dexter [clears throat] beat me. The night [clears throat] beat me. The night [clears throat] beat me. The night before, before, before, uh, yeah, night before 6 PM, uh, Chad uh, yeah, night before 6 PM, uh, Chad uh, yeah, night before 6 PM, uh, Chad Nichols was coaching me for the show. He Nichols was coaching me for the show. He Nichols was coaching me for the show. He comes in my room. He's like, "Dude, comes in my room. He's like, "Dude, comes in my room. He's like, "Dude, nobody's beat you in the show." He's nobody's beat you in the show." He's nobody's beat you in the show." He's like, "You're you're [ __ ] dialed in. like, "You're you're [ __ ] dialed in. like, "You're you're [ __ ] dialed in. You're so dry. You're going to crush You're so dry. You're going to crush You're so dry. You're going to crush everybody." Um, so, you know, Chad everybody." Um, so, you know, Chad everybody." Um, so, you know, Chad leaves. Uh, I think it was like 8:30 or leaves. Uh, I think it was like 8:30 or leaves. Uh, I think it was like 8:30 or 9:00 p.m. Uh, I start cramping 9:00 p.m. Uh, I start cramping 9:00 p.m. Uh, I start cramping and my lower body starts cramping. You and my lower body starts cramping. You and my lower body starts cramping. You know, you know, my abs start cramping, know, you know, my abs start cramping, know, you know, my abs start cramping, my throat start, my throat start my throat start, my throat start my throat start, my throat start cramping. So, you're like, "Okay, this cramping. So, you're like, "Okay, this cramping. So, you're like, "Okay, this is bad." is bad." is bad." >> So, I take quinine, which is anti- >> So, I take quinine, which is anti- >> So, I take quinine, which is anti- cramping, quinine sulfate, and cramping cramping, quinine sulfate, and cramping cramping, quinine sulfate, and cramping starts to come down, but then I start starts to come down, but then I start starts to come down, but then I start vomiting and [snorts] then I start vomiting and [snorts] then I start vomiting and [snorts] then I start diarrhea and then vomiting and diarrhea diarrhea and then vomiting and diarrhea diarrhea and then vomiting and diarrhea at the same time every 45 minutes at the same time every 45 minutes at the same time every 45 minutes through the night. So, it started at through the night. So, it started at through the night. So, it started at 9:00 p.m. 9:00 p.m. 9:00 p.m. >> This is the night before. >> This is the night before. >> This is the night before. >> Night before every 45 minutes. And I >> Night before every 45 minutes. And I >> Night before every 45 minutes. And I would try to sleep. I couldn't eat would try to sleep. I couldn't eat would try to sleep. I couldn't eat anything because I threw it up. anything because I threw it up. anything because I threw it up. >> So, I literally every 45 minutes on on >> So, I literally every 45 minutes on on >> So, I literally every 45 minutes on on the clock, every four minutes, either the clock, every four minutes, either the clock, every four minutes, either diarrhe or or uh vomiting. And so, I'm, diarrhe or or uh vomiting. And so, I'm, diarrhe or or uh vomiting. And so, I'm, you know, I'm like, "Fuck, I'm out. My you know, I'm like, "Fuck, I'm out. My you know, I'm like, "Fuck, I'm out. My tan's all [ __ ] up." Because by that tan's all [ __ ] up." Because by that tan's all [ __ ] up." Because by that point, you're all tanned, you know, point, you're all tanned, you know, point, you're all tanned, you know, tan's all like because I'm sweating in tan's all like because I'm sweating in tan's all like because I'm sweating in the night and I'm cold and, you know, the night and I'm cold and, you know, the night and I'm cold and, you know, just a disaster. And then it's like uh I just a disaster. And then it's like uh I just a disaster. And then it's like uh I think 10:30 the next morning and I'm think 10:30 the next morning and I'm think 10:30 the next morning and I'm like I haven't eat anything since 6:00 like I haven't eat anything since 6:00 like I haven't eat anything since 6:00 the night before and I was like I can't the night before and I was like I can't the night before and I was like I can't do this show man. I'm sitting laying in do this show man. I'm sitting laying in do this show man. I'm sitting laying in bed. I'm like can't stand up. I'm dizzy. bed. I'm like can't stand up. I'm dizzy. bed. I'm like can't stand up. I'm dizzy. I'm like what do I do? Should I start I'm like what do I do? Should I start I'm like what do I do? Should I start drinking water? I'm like Chad what do I drinking water? I'm like Chad what do I drinking water? I'm like Chad what do I do? He goes a man like I don't know like do? He goes a man like I don't know like do? He goes a man like I don't know like see how he feels cuz I couldn't even eat see how he feels cuz I couldn't even eat see how he feels cuz I couldn't even eat a banana. I couldn't anything. And then a banana. I couldn't anything. And then a banana. I couldn't anything. And then I [snorts] get a call at 10:30 uh from I [snorts] get a call at 10:30 uh from I [snorts] get a call at 10:30 uh from maybe it was 11 from Vic who actually maybe it was 11 from Vic who actually maybe it was 11 from Vic who actually for it was from his wife. Like this guy for it was from his wife. Like this guy for it was from his wife. Like this guy was my earliest training partner. And was my earliest training partner. And was my earliest training partner. And she's like, "Hey." She's talking to my she's like, "Hey." She's talking to my she's like, "Hey." She's talking to my wife and she she's like, "Hey, don't wife and she she's like, "Hey, don't wife and she she's like, "Hey, don't tell Ben, but Vic can't make it for the tell Ben, but Vic can't make it for the tell Ben, but Vic can't make it for the show. Um, he's going in for testicular show. Um, he's going in for testicular show. Um, he's going in for testicular can. He's got testicular cancer. He got can. He's got testicular cancer. He got can. He's got testicular cancer. He got to go and have his testicle removed on to go and have his testicle removed on to go and have his testicle removed on Monday." Monday." Monday." >> So, like I didn't know that. I wasn't on >> So, like I didn't know that. I wasn't on >> So, like I didn't know that. I wasn't on the phone a minute. My wife is on the the phone a minute. My wife is on the the phone a minute. My wife is on the phone and uh phone and uh phone and uh so I'm like laying in bed. I'm like, so I'm like laying in bed. I'm like, so I'm like laying in bed. I'm like, "What's going on?" She like, "Vicky "What's going on?" She like, "Vicky "What's going on?" She like, "Vicky can't come." I'm like, "Tell me why." can't come." I'm like, "Tell me why." can't come." I'm like, "Tell me why." And so she's like, "He's got to go in And so she's like, "He's got to go in And so she's like, "He's got to go in for testicular cancer, get his testic for testicular cancer, get his testic for testicular cancer, get his testic testicle removed." And and so I'm like testicle removed." And and so I'm like testicle removed." And and so I'm like in that moment I was like, "Fuck it. in that moment I was like, "Fuck it. in that moment I was like, "Fuck it. Let's go." Like I'm sitting here Let's go." Like I'm sitting here Let's go." Like I'm sitting here complaining about a sore belly. My best complaining about a sore belly. My best complaining about a sore belly. My best friend's about to [ __ ] lose his friend's about to [ __ ] lose his friend's about to [ __ ] lose his testicles. I'm like, "Let's go." I'm testicles. I'm like, "Let's go." I'm testicles. I'm like, "Let's go." I'm like, "Call the tanning lady. Let's put like, "Call the tanning lady. Let's put like, "Call the tanning lady. Let's put on I put on a tan." Pull my hat over my on I put on a tan." Pull my hat over my on I put on a tan." Pull my hat over my eyes. I walk down. I'm like, "Let's go. eyes. I walk down. I'm like, "Let's go. eyes. I walk down. I'm like, "Let's go. We're going on." And I was like, I said, We're going on." And I was like, I said, We're going on." And I was like, I said, "Chad, stand behind the judges. If I "Chad, stand behind the judges. If I "Chad, stand behind the judges. If I pass out, let them know what's going pass out, let them know what's going pass out, let them know what's going on." I didn't eat the whole day. I got on." I didn't eat the whole day. I got on." I didn't eat the whole day. I got [ __ ] sack in that show. Like most [ __ ] sack in that show. Like most [ __ ] sack in that show. Like most people don't know that. Like the night people don't know that. Like the night people don't know that. Like the night before even after the night show. So I before even after the night show. So I before even after the night show. So I did the morning show and the night show. did the morning show and the night show. did the morning show and the night show. Even after the night show, I went to Even after the night show, I went to Even after the night show, I went to dinner. I couldn't eat. It's like the dinner. I couldn't eat. It's like the dinner. I couldn't eat. It's like the whole day I went to that show. So you whole day I went to that show. So you whole day I went to that show. So you see me at that show. I'm like, I got see me at that show. I'm like, I got see me at that show. I'm like, I got second, so I was looked okay. But second, so I was looked okay. But second, so I was looked okay. But imagine not eating for all that time, imagine not eating for all that time, imagine not eating for all that time, not drinking water, not drinking water, not drinking water, >> not filling up, not a disaster. >> not filling up, not a disaster. >> not filling up, not a disaster. >> Now, what what what caused that? Was it >> Now, what what what caused that? Was it >> Now, what what what caused that? Was it just the just the just the >> I have no idea. So, the last thing I >> I have no idea. So, the last thing I >> I have no idea. So, the last thing I ate, I had a burger and fries at 6 p.m. ate, I had a burger and fries at 6 p.m. ate, I had a burger and fries at 6 p.m. So, you could say it was diuretics. You So, you could say it was diuretics. You So, you could say it was diuretics. You could say it was cuz I was cramping. could say it was cuz I was cramping. could say it was cuz I was cramping. >> You could say it was the food. Like, I >> You could say it was the food. Like, I >> You could say it was the food. Like, I don't know, man. don't know, man. don't know, man. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. It >> I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. It >> I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. It was It was a rough night. And I just was It was a rough night. And I just was It was a rough night. And I just remember like going on stage and I would remember like going on stage and I would remember like going on stage and I would walk off stage, I put my head down, walk off stage, I put my head down, walk off stage, I put my head down, everyone's like, "You all right?" I'm everyone's like, "You all right?" I'm everyone's like, "You all right?" I'm like, "Fine." Like, "Leave me alone." like, "Fine." Like, "Leave me alone." like, "Fine." Like, "Leave me alone." But if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't But if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't But if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have gone on stage. have gone on stage. have gone on stage. >> Oh man. To take second and to be that >> Oh man. To take second and to be that >> Oh man. To take second and to be that probably flat is crazy. probably flat is crazy. probably flat is crazy. >> Yeah. I literally I tried to eat a >> Yeah. I literally I tried to eat a >> Yeah. I literally I tried to eat a banana, dude. I couldn't eat a banana. banana, dude. I couldn't eat a banana. banana, dude. I couldn't eat a banana. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> I believe wasn't it Jay Cutler who won >> I believe wasn't it Jay Cutler who won >> I believe wasn't it Jay Cutler who won he won one of his show. It's the the he won one of his show. It's the the he won one of his show. It's the the famous quad stomp photo and I think he famous quad stomp photo and I think he famous quad stomp photo and I think he had like the flu the day before and had like the flu the day before and had like the flu the day before and something something something >> and it made him shredded looking >> and it made him shredded looking >> and it made him shredded looking [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] like he came in real dry I think if I'm like he came in real dry I think if I'm like he came in real dry I think if I'm not mistaken. not mistaken. not mistaken. >> I don't know. I don't know. >> I don't know. I don't know. >> I don't know. I don't know. >> So that's what happened. Now, when >> So that's what happened. Now, when >> So that's what happened. Now, when you're you're working out with these you're you're working out with these you're you're working out with these guys, are they ever leading? guys, are they ever leading? guys, are they ever leading? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I was going to say, so are they really >> I was going to say, so are they really >> I was going to say, so are they really working out? working out? working out? >> This is business for you. This is your >> This is business for you. This is your >> This is business for you. This is your job. job. job. >> That's what I mean. Yeah. Like >> That's what I mean. Yeah. Like >> That's what I mean. Yeah. Like >> I mean, I think we're all like that, >> I mean, I think we're all like that, >> I mean, I think we're all like that, too. Dude, I don't know. Nobody's too. Dude, I don't know. Nobody's too. Dude, I don't know. Nobody's leading my workout or someone lead your leading my workout or someone lead your leading my workout or someone lead your workout. workout. workout. >> No. No. If I'm working out with >> No. No. If I'm working out with >> No. No. If I'm working out with >> I don't want to work out with somebody >> I don't want to work out with somebody >> I don't want to work out with somebody that gets to work out. I know. I know that gets to work out. I know. I know that gets to work out. I know. I know what I mean. what I mean. what I mean. >> That's what I meant. I think >> That's what I meant. I think >> That's what I meant. I think >> I think if you had someone you trusted, >> I think if you had someone you trusted, >> I think if you had someone you trusted, you would Yeah. Maybe someone maybe my a you would Yeah. Maybe someone maybe my a you would Yeah. Maybe someone maybe my a coach. If someone was coaching me, if I coach. If someone was coaching me, if I coach. If someone was coaching me, if I hired you and you're like coaching me hired you and you're like coaching me hired you and you're like coaching me through it, then you could. But through it, then you could. But through it, then you could. But >> that's what I mean. >> that's what I mean. >> that's what I mean. I think with fitness fanatics, it's not I think with fitness fanatics, it's not I think with fitness fanatics, it's not so important. Uh I think culture is so important. Uh I think culture is so important. Uh I think culture is still important. Uh but it's less than still important. Uh but it's less than still important. Uh but it's less than it would be for like the average person it would be for like the average person it would be for like the average person >> shows up uh and they're consistent >> shows up uh and they're consistent >> shows up uh and they're consistent because they're part of this community because they're part of this community because they're part of this community and I think we've totally I think we've and I think we've totally I think we've and I think we've totally I think we've totally lost that. totally lost that. totally lost that. >> Can you like all these crazy workout >> Can you like all these crazy workout >> Can you like all these crazy workout partners and and situations where you've partners and and situations where you've partners and and situations where you've pushed like that? Are there workouts pushed like that? Are there workouts pushed like that? Are there workouts when you think back because what when you think back because what when you think back because what thousands tens of thousands now thousands tens of thousands now thousands tens of thousands now >> workout I was gonna say are there >> workout I was gonna say are there >> workout I was gonna say are there workouts that stand out like like that workouts that stand out like like that workouts that stand out like like that one like do you have like workout of one like do you have like workout of one like do you have like workout of course I do course I do course I do >> oh my god dude that's so >> oh my god dude that's so >> oh my god dude that's so >> so there there was a period where I had >> so there there was a period where I had >> so there there was a period where I had two training partners one for the first two training partners one for the first two training partners one for the first hour one for the second hour that I did hour one for the second hour that I did hour one for the second hour that I did that for about 3 hours that for about 3 hours that for about 3 hours >> train out [laughter] >> train out [laughter] >> train out [laughter] so I would literally walk in the change so I would literally walk in the change so I would literally walk in the change room he's on one today just so you know he's on one today just so you know >> can you imagine [laughter] >> can you imagine [laughter] >> can you imagine [laughter] I'd walk in the change room, change my I'd walk in the change room, change my I'd walk in the change room, change my t-shirt, come back out for round two. t-shirt, come back out for round two. t-shirt, come back out for round two. So, I had a dry t-shirt, ready for the So, I had a dry t-shirt, ready for the So, I had a dry t-shirt, ready for the second workout. second workout. second workout. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> That was pretty uh intense. Uh I would I >> That was pretty uh intense. Uh I would I >> That was pretty uh intense. Uh I would I would I don't know frequently. I would would I don't know frequently. I would would I don't know frequently. I would often do 20 sets of one- arm dumbbell often do 20 sets of one- arm dumbbell often do 20 sets of one- arm dumbbell rows. rows. rows. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> For for a workout just to go and do 20 >> For for a workout just to go and do 20 >> For for a workout just to go and do 20 sets of one like heavy as I could like, sets of one like heavy as I could like, sets of one like heavy as I could like, you know, 200 220 lb dumbbells you know, 200 220 lb dumbbells you know, 200 220 lb dumbbells >> just like 20 21. >> just like 20 21. >> just like 20 21. >> Was this because back was like an >> Was this because back was like an >> Was this because back was like an emphasis for you and back thickness or emphasis for you and back thickness or emphasis for you and back thickness or whatever. So like I got to hit this whatever. So like I got to hit this whatever. So like I got to hit this >> you know man. Um, I learned too late. >> you know man. Um, I learned too late. >> you know man. Um, I learned too late. Again, maybe maybe right at the right Again, maybe maybe right at the right Again, maybe maybe right at the right time, but had I learned how to train time, but had I learned how to train time, but had I learned how to train earlier, I don't think we weak body earlier, I don't think we weak body earlier, I don't think we weak body parts would have been a thing. I just I parts would have been a thing. I just I parts would have been a thing. I just I I fel fell into the dogma of like, I fel fell into the dogma of like, I fel fell into the dogma of like, >> you know, Dorian, look at his back and >> you know, Dorian, look at his back and >> you know, Dorian, look at his back and and look at the exercises he does, you and look at the exercises he does, you and look at the exercises he does, you should do those, too. Or like Ronnie should do those, too. Or like Ronnie should do those, too. Or like Ronnie Coleman does this, so you should do Coleman does this, so you should do Coleman does this, so you should do that, too. So, I got really strong and I that, too. So, I got really strong and I that, too. So, I got really strong and I was deadlifting 800 lb. I was doing bent was deadlifting 800 lb. I was doing bent was deadlifting 800 lb. I was doing bent rows of five plates. I was very strong rows of five plates. I was very strong rows of five plates. I was very strong and I didn't grow my back. And then all and I didn't grow my back. And then all and I didn't grow my back. And then all of a sudden, somebody said to me like, of a sudden, somebody said to me like, of a sudden, somebody said to me like, "Hey man, you're just doing the wrong "Hey man, you're just doing the wrong "Hey man, you're just doing the wrong exercises for your body. Your body exercises for your body. Your body exercises for your body. Your body structure is different than these structure is different than these structure is different than these people. Why don't we find the ones that people. Why don't we find the ones that people. Why don't we find the ones that actually direct tension to the lats actually direct tension to the lats actually direct tension to the lats instead of just mindlessly moving instead of just mindlessly moving instead of just mindlessly moving weights?" weights?" weights?" >> And when I finally found the things that >> And when I finally found the things that >> And when I finally found the things that worked, everything started to grow. worked, everything started to grow. worked, everything started to grow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> So that was just a big paradigm shift >> So that was just a big paradigm shift >> So that was just a big paradigm shift for me. That's where the whole business for me. That's where the whole business for me. That's where the whole business that I run came from. It's like I went that I run came from. It's like I went that I run came from. It's like I went through this entire learning phase of through this entire learning phase of through this entire learning phase of like how do I actually understand what like how do I actually understand what like how do I actually understand what this muscle is supposed to do for my this muscle is supposed to do for my this muscle is supposed to do for my mechanics? That's the difference is in mechanics? That's the difference is in mechanics? That's the difference is in in what I do now versus what most people in what I do now versus what most people in what I do now versus what most people do is like uh your body is extremely do is like uh your body is extremely do is like uh your body is extremely different than mine which means your different than mine which means your different than mine which means your your setup your exercise selection your setup your exercise selection your setup your exercise selection should be different. So that's what the should be different. So that's what the should be different. So that's what the whole business is based around. Once I whole business is based around. Once I whole business is based around. Once I figured out the exercise that actually figured out the exercise that actually figured out the exercise that actually fit my body, my body started to go well. fit my body, my body started to go well. fit my body, my body started to go well. >> Okay, that ties back to what I asked you >> Okay, that ties back to what I asked you >> Okay, that ties back to what I asked you earlier that I didn't feel like we got earlier that I didn't feel like we got earlier that I didn't feel like we got to finish was you looking back those to finish was you looking back those to finish was you looking back those first two years you built all this first two years you built all this first two years you built all this muscle. We talked about some of the muscle. We talked about some of the muscle. We talked about some of the things you did right. What would you say things you did right. What would you say things you did right. What would you say you did wrong? Like, so knowing what you you did wrong? Like, so knowing what you you did wrong? Like, so knowing what you know now, if you could go back and tell know now, if you could go back and tell know now, if you could go back and tell 17-year-old kid, hey, train more like 17-year-old kid, hey, train more like 17-year-old kid, hey, train more like this or less or more. this or less or more. this or less or more. >> I have to say, man, because I the thing >> I have to say, man, because I the thing >> I have to say, man, because I the thing that I did really well was I learned how that I did really well was I learned how that I did really well was I learned how to train hard and you could argue that to train hard and you could argue that to train hard and you could argue that training hard is should be first or you training hard is should be first or you training hard is should be first or you could argue that training well should be could argue that training well should be could argue that training well should be first. first. first. >> You know, training hard for me was >> You know, training hard for me was >> You know, training hard for me was great. It caused some injuries, um, great. It caused some injuries, um, great. It caused some injuries, um, caused some challenges, um, but I caused some challenges, um, but I caused some challenges, um, but I managed to get through them. Um, yeah. managed to get through them. Um, yeah. managed to get through them. Um, yeah. So like I'm not sure if I would have So like I'm not sure if I would have So like I'm not sure if I would have said change anything looking back on it said change anything looking back on it said change anything looking back on it like hindsight is hard hard to change like hindsight is hard hard to change like hindsight is hard hard to change >> because it played such an important role >> because it played such an important role >> because it played such an important role right so like may maybe you weren't right so like may maybe you weren't right so like may maybe you weren't doing everything the right way but it doing everything the right way but it doing everything the right way but it but the built the character yeah say but the built the character yeah say but the built the character yeah say what you got from that still played such what you got from that still played such what you got from that still played such a massive role in a massive role in a massive role in >> at what point because obviously you're >> at what point because obviously you're >> at what point because obviously you're you got crazy genetics uh at an early you got crazy genetics uh at an early you got crazy genetics uh at an early age at what point uh do you incorporate age at what point uh do you incorporate age at what point uh do you incorporate performance-enhancing substances like performance-enhancing substances like performance-enhancing substances like anabolics? So, I did my first cycle um anabolics? So, I did my first cycle um anabolics? So, I did my first cycle um probably going into the summer before probably going into the summer before probably going into the summer before university because I was about to do I university because I was about to do I university because I was about to do I was about to do a show. So, I would have was about to do a show. So, I would have was about to do a show. So, I would have been 19. been 19. been 19. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Um I was about to do a show. So, I was >> Um I was about to do a show. So, I was >> Um I was about to do a show. So, I was dieting for a show. I hired my first dieting for a show. I hired my first dieting for a show. I hired my first bodybuilding coach. bodybuilding coach. bodybuilding coach. >> So, up to this point, you haven't >> So, up to this point, you haven't >> So, up to this point, you haven't actually done a show yet. You just been actually done a show yet. You just been actually done a show yet. You just been training to get bigger. training to get bigger. training to get bigger. >> So, you're like 240 or something like >> So, you're like 240 or something like >> So, you're like 240 or something like that. And you that. And you that. And you >> So, going into into university at my >> So, going into into university at my >> So, going into into university at my first university, I was 260 with abs. first university, I was 260 with abs. first university, I was 260 with abs. >> You know what? This is so good to >> You know what? This is so good to >> You know what? This is so good to communicate because communicate because communicate because uh people think steroids do what they uh people think steroids do what they uh people think steroids do what they don't. Uh and uh this is just not the I' don't. Uh and uh this is just not the I' don't. Uh and uh this is just not the I' look we've worked in gyms long enough. look we've worked in gyms long enough. look we've worked in gyms long enough. I've I've I've >> You put 70 lbs You put 70 lbs on before >> You put 70 lbs You put 70 lbs on before >> You put 70 lbs You put 70 lbs on before taking taking taking >> I know I know more than that. >> I know I know more than that. >> I know I know more than that. >> There's there's people that you can take >> There's there's people that you can take >> There's there's people that you can take guys that can take all the steroids in guys that can take all the steroids in guys that can take all the steroids in their life and they'll never eat again. their life and they'll never eat again. their life and they'll never eat again. >> Dude, I knew a guy I'll tell you I'll >> Dude, I knew a guy I'll tell you I'll >> Dude, I knew a guy I'll tell you I'll tell you a funny story, dude. I used to tell you a funny story, dude. I used to tell you a funny story, dude. I used to own I was part owner of a gym down in own I was part owner of a gym down in own I was part owner of a gym down in Palm Desert for about a year and it's Palm Desert for about a year and it's Palm Desert for about a year and it's relatively close to Mexico. So, I'd have relatively close to Mexico. So, I'd have relatively close to Mexico. So, I'd have trainers that would drive down there, trainers that would drive down there, trainers that would drive down there, come back with a bunch of gear or come back with a bunch of gear or come back with a bunch of gear or whatever. whatever. whatever. >> And uh I had the sales guy that worked >> And uh I had the sales guy that worked >> And uh I had the sales guy that worked for I won't say his name, but I had the for I won't say his name, but I had the for I won't say his name, but I had the sales guy that worked for me that was sales guy that worked for me that was sales guy that worked for me that was just taking I mean, he was kamicazi, just taking I mean, he was kamicazi, just taking I mean, he was kamicazi, dude. He was taking so much stuff. It dude. He was taking so much stuff. It dude. He was taking so much stuff. It was just whatever he can get his hands was just whatever he can get his hands was just whatever he can get his hands on. Yeah. on. Yeah. on. Yeah. >> And he just looked unhealthy. >> And he just looked unhealthy. >> And he just looked unhealthy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, he I mean, he might have gained >> I mean, he I mean, he might have gained >> I mean, he I mean, he might have gained 10 pounds of muscle. I'm not 10 pounds of muscle. I'm not 10 pounds of muscle. I'm not exaggerating, but he just didn't look exaggerating, but he just didn't look exaggerating, but he just didn't look good. And he was doing all And people good. And he was doing all And people good. And he was doing all And people like, "Is it fake?" Well, no. I know like, "Is it fake?" Well, no. I know like, "Is it fake?" Well, no. I know it's not fake because I use some of the it's not fake because I use some of the it's not fake because I use some of the stuff and I know other people use some stuff and I know other people use some stuff and I know other people use some of the stuff and it was totally of the stuff and it was totally of the stuff and it was totally different. different. different. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's one guy that you guys would know >> There's one guy that you guys would know >> There's one guy that you guys would know in the fitness industry who same idea. I in the fitness industry who same idea. I in the fitness industry who same idea. I went and met him probably 2012 or 13. went and met him probably 2012 or 13. went and met him probably 2012 or 13. I'm like that's your [ __ ] stack? He I'm like that's your [ __ ] stack? He I'm like that's your [ __ ] stack? He brings out his his his uh notebook and brings out his his his uh notebook and brings out his his his uh notebook and he shows me. He's like this is what I'm he shows me. He's like this is what I'm he shows me. He's like this is what I'm taking. I was like what? Like you're taking. I was like what? Like you're taking. I was like what? Like you're taking this and you look like that? I'm taking this and you look like that? I'm taking this and you look like that? I'm like geez something. I don't know. Just like geez something. I don't know. Just like geez something. I don't know. Just that was the first time I got it. that was the first time I got it. that was the first time I got it. >> This isn't for you dude. >> This isn't for you dude. >> This isn't for you dude. >> Totally. [laughter] >> Totally. [laughter] >> Totally. [laughter] Give it up man. Give it up man. Give it up man. >> Give it up. So, you did your first >> Give it up. So, you did your first >> Give it up. So, you did your first cycle, your 260. What was the cycle and cycle, your 260. What was the cycle and cycle, your 260. What was the cycle and what did it do to you? >> I got really strong. Um, >> I got really strong. Um, I think I was taking 400 megs of test, I think I was taking 400 megs of test, I think I was taking 400 megs of test, 400 megs of EQ. I was on it for probably 400 megs of EQ. I was on it for probably 400 megs of EQ. I was on it for probably 12 weeks, maybe been a little longer 12 weeks, maybe been a little longer 12 weeks, maybe been a little longer than that. And so, I know the the than that. And so, I know the the than that. And so, I know the the foundation of it was test and EQ. foundation of it was test and EQ. foundation of it was test and EQ. I think the first six weeks was EQ or I think the first six weeks was EQ or I think the first six weeks was EQ or no, the first six week is test and deca. no, the first six week is test and deca. no, the first six week is test and deca. second six week is test and EQ and I second six week is test and EQ and I second six week is test and EQ and I would have rotated through something would have rotated through something would have rotated through something else on top of that whether it been a else on top of that whether it been a else on top of that whether it been a Diana ball or it would [snorts] have Diana ball or it would [snorts] have Diana ball or it would [snorts] have been um been um been um there was another molecule which I there was another molecule which I there was another molecule which I forget but yeah 12 weeks you know maybe forget but yeah 12 weeks you know maybe forget but yeah 12 weeks you know maybe 1,000 milligrams in total 1,000 milligrams in total 1,000 milligrams in total >> um just cuz I had a coach at the time >> um just cuz I had a coach at the time >> um just cuz I had a coach at the time like hey take this like hey take this like hey take this >> I was like all right >> I was like all right >> I was like all right >> um yeah I remember this sounds nuts but >> um yeah I remember this sounds nuts but >> um yeah I remember this sounds nuts but I remember um I remember um I remember um skull crushes with the straight or two skull crushes with the straight or two skull crushes with the straight or two plates. [laughter] plates. [laughter] plates. [laughter] Nuts. I was very strong. Very strong. Nuts. I was very strong. Very strong. Nuts. I was very strong. Very strong. >> Um like I couldn't even during my my >> Um like I couldn't even during my my >> Um like I couldn't even during my my highest level of bodybuilding, I highest level of bodybuilding, I highest level of bodybuilding, I wouldn't do that. wouldn't do that. wouldn't do that. >> But that first cycle was nuts. >> But that first cycle was nuts. >> But that first cycle was nuts. >> I can't imagine you at that peak with >> I can't imagine you at that peak with >> I can't imagine you at that peak with Dball because [laughter] I know what I Dball because [laughter] I know what I Dball because [laughter] I know what I know. The first time I did Dball, it was know. The first time I did Dball, it was know. The first time I did Dball, it was the most insane thing that every time I the most insane thing that every time I the most insane thing that every time I came back to a body part, I was lifting came back to a body part, I was lifting came back to a body part, I was lifting 10 20 pounds more every time. 10 20 pounds more every time. 10 20 pounds more every time. >> My first cycle of trend was like that. I >> My first cycle of trend was like that. I >> My first cycle of trend was like that. I was like, "This is not right." was like, "This is not right." was like, "This is not right." >> Yeah, it was I scared I remember scaring >> Yeah, it was I scared I remember scaring >> Yeah, it was I scared I remember scaring myself being like, "This is way too myself being like, "This is way too myself being like, "This is way too fast. Like, I'm this strong already." fast. Like, I'm this strong already." fast. Like, I'm this strong already." >> From from what I've read about uh >> From from what I've read about uh >> From from what I've read about uh Trembolone. Um cuz in the early in the Trembolone. Um cuz in the early in the Trembolone. Um cuz in the early in the early days, people were using Tren at early days, people were using Tren at early days, people were using Tren at like uh 170 milligrams a week, 200 like uh 170 milligrams a week, 200 like uh 170 milligrams a week, 200 milligrams, and I'm seeing people online milligrams, and I'm seeing people online milligrams, and I'm seeing people online 600 milligrams 1,000. 600 milligrams 1,000. 600 milligrams 1,000. >> That's [ __ ] nuts. >> That's [ __ ] nuts. >> That's [ __ ] nuts. >> And they're talking about all these >> And they're talking about all these >> And they're talking about all these psychiatric uh issues from it. Uh like, psychiatric uh issues from it. Uh like, psychiatric uh issues from it. Uh like, is that true? Were you guys using that is that true? Were you guys using that is that true? Were you guys using that little back then? and versus little back then? and versus little back then? and versus >> I remember it was 30 milligs per >> I remember it was 30 milligs per >> I remember it was 30 milligs per milliliter and I was either doing I milliliter and I was either doing I milliliter and I was either doing I started off with half a milligram three started off with half a milligram three started off with half a milligram three or excuse me half a mill three times a or excuse me half a mill three times a or excuse me half a mill three times a week. So 15 milligrams three times a week. So 15 milligrams three times a week. So 15 milligrams three times a week. week. week. >> That was my starting dose. >> That was my starting dose. >> That was my starting dose. >> So 45 milligram >> So 45 milligram >> So 45 milligram >> 45 milligrams a week. Yep. Or I may I >> 45 milligrams a week. Yep. Or I may I >> 45 milligrams a week. Yep. Or I may I think I probably would have gone up to think I probably would have gone up to think I probably would have gone up to like 1 ml three times a week. like 1 ml three times a week. like 1 ml three times a week. >> That was my that but that was like I was >> That was my that but that was like I was >> That was my that but that was like I was by that by that point I was um by that by that point I was um by that by that point I was um competing. I would have been 24 25 at competing. I would have been 24 25 at competing. I would have been 24 25 at that point. that point. that point. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. How did the first show go? So, we >> Yeah. How did the first show go? So, we >> Yeah. How did the first show go? So, we do the you do the stack. do the you do the stack. do the you do the stack. >> I won. >> I won. >> I won. >> Huh? >> Huh? >> Huh? >> I won. >> I won. >> I won. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I won. Um, it's funny because I >> Yeah, I won. Um, it's funny because I >> Yeah, I won. Um, it's funny because I just never I just never thought I never just never I just never thought I never just never I just never thought I never doubted I was going to win, man. I just doubted I was going to win, man. I just doubted I was going to win, man. I just always knew that I know if I did what I always knew that I know if I did what I always knew that I know if I did what I need to do, I would win. Um, yeah. So, I need to do, I would win. Um, yeah. So, I need to do, I would win. Um, yeah. So, I won um won my first show and I had a won um won my first show and I had a won um won my first show and I had a mentor early early on and um he passed mentor early early on and um he passed mentor early early on and um he passed six weeks after my first show. I had a six weeks after my first show. I had a six weeks after my first show. I had a heart attack and so I was scheduled to heart attack and so I was scheduled to heart attack and so I was scheduled to do another show 6 weeks after and I was do another show 6 weeks after and I was do another show 6 weeks after and I was like, "Fuck it, I'm not doing it." I like, "Fuck it, I'm not doing it." I like, "Fuck it, I'm not doing it." I felt like I had lost like my my mentor felt like I had lost like my my mentor felt like I had lost like my my mentor in the sport. I was like, I don't know in the sport. I was like, I don't know in the sport. I was like, I don't know that I want to do it. Um, and then 3 that I want to do it. Um, and then 3 that I want to do it. Um, and then 3 weeks before, maybe it was like two weeks before, maybe it was like two weeks before, maybe it was like two weeks before, I was like, ah, let's just weeks before, I was like, ah, let's just weeks before, I was like, ah, let's just jump in, do it anyways. So, uh, that jump in, do it anyways. So, uh, that jump in, do it anyways. So, uh, that qualified me for my for the provincials, qualified me for my for the provincials, qualified me for my for the provincials, which is the same as a state show. That which is the same as a state show. That which is the same as a state show. That was the next year, won that one. Next was the next year, won that one. Next was the next year, won that one. Next year, skip a year. I went to and did the year, skip a year. I went to and did the year, skip a year. I went to and did the Canadian Nationals. I lost by one point. Canadian Nationals. I lost by one point. Canadian Nationals. I lost by one point. I also did the North Americans, lost by I also did the North Americans, lost by I also did the North Americans, lost by three points. three points. three points. >> You actually break that long between >> You actually break that long between >> You actually break that long between shows early on. shows early on. shows early on. >> A year. Yeah. >> A year. Yeah. >> A year. Yeah. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Cuz that's not really common. normally >> Cuz that's not really common. normally >> Cuz that's not really common. normally early on when you're kind of climbing early on when you're kind of climbing early on when you're kind of climbing the ladder, you're doing shows like the ladder, you're doing shows like the ladder, you're doing shows like >> I just had no desire to do shows. I just >> I just had no desire to do shows. I just >> I just had no desire to do shows. I just wanted to win. So like if I'm like if wanted to win. So like if I'm like if wanted to win. So like if I'm like if I'm not ready to go do that show and I'm not ready to go do that show and I'm not ready to go do that show and win, I'm like I'm not going. win, I'm like I'm not going. win, I'm like I'm not going. >> Yeah. Yeah, I get that. >> Yeah. Yeah, I get that. >> Yeah. Yeah, I get that. >> Yeah. I'm not going. So yeah. >> Yeah. I'm not going. So yeah. >> Yeah. I'm not going. So yeah. >> How was how was uh like one of the >> How was how was uh like one of the >> How was how was uh like one of the hardest things I I I say that even so I hardest things I I I say that even so I hardest things I I I say that even so I only ended up doing six total shows in only ended up doing six total shows in only ended up doing six total shows in my career and I still to this day don't my career and I still to this day don't my career and I still to this day don't think I ever brought the best version of think I ever brought the best version of think I ever brought the best version of me to stage. me to stage. me to stage. >> Peing. >> Peing. >> Peing. >> It's hard. It's harder than what people >> It's hard. It's harder than what people >> It's hard. It's harder than what people realize. Like there's many times where a realize. Like there's many times where a realize. Like there's many times where a day before or two days later or so I'm day before or two days later or so I'm day before or two days later or so I'm looking at myself going whoa this is looking at myself going whoa this is looking at myself going whoa this is what I wanted. It's hard to do. Did you what I wanted. It's hard to do. Did you what I wanted. It's hard to do. Did you hit that out the park right away or did hit that out the park right away or did hit that out the park right away or did you feel the same way where it took a you feel the same way where it took a you feel the same way where it took a long time to really dial that in? long time to really dial that in? long time to really dial that in? >> I still I think still to this day I >> I still I think still to this day I >> I still I think still to this day I haven't. haven't. haven't. >> Okay. So you feel the same way too. I >> Okay. So you feel the same way too. I >> Okay. So you feel the same way too. I feel like I've never No one's ever seen feel like I've never No one's ever seen feel like I've never No one's ever seen the be like on stage the best. the be like on stage the best. the be like on stage the best. >> I had some good ones but not not like >> I had some good ones but not not like >> I had some good ones but not not like >> not Yeah. I think, you know, I had kids >> not Yeah. I think, you know, I had kids >> not Yeah. I think, you know, I had kids in 2012 and 13. So, I was start hitting in 2012 and 13. So, I was start hitting in 2012 and 13. So, I was start hitting my peak in 2012 probably would have been my peak in 2012 probably would have been my peak in 2012 probably would have been 2012 and 13 would have been like as I 2012 and 13 would have been like as I 2012 and 13 would have been like as I was just coming into my peak. Yeah. was just coming into my peak. Yeah. was just coming into my peak. Yeah. >> That's when my son and my daughter were >> That's when my son and my daughter were >> That's when my son and my daughter were born. born. born. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I like had I continued, I would have >> So, I like had I continued, I would have >> So, I like had I continued, I would have hopefully keep getting better. Looking hopefully keep getting better. Looking hopefully keep getting better. Looking back at it now, man, I think the absence back at it now, man, I think the absence back at it now, man, I think the absence of peaking is just stupidity. Like it's of peaking is just stupidity. Like it's of peaking is just stupidity. Like it's just like doing dumb [ __ ] Like looking just like doing dumb [ __ ] Like looking just like doing dumb [ __ ] Like looking back at what I know now, I'm like, if back at what I know now, I'm like, if back at what I know now, I'm like, if you just stay consistent and you're you just stay consistent and you're you just stay consistent and you're actually in shape, it's so easy. actually in shape, it's so easy. actually in shape, it's so easy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To, you [snorts] know, now I peak guys, >> To, you [snorts] know, now I peak guys, >> To, you [snorts] know, now I peak guys, it's very easy. Yeah, it's very easy. Yeah, it's very easy. Yeah, >> cuz what I tried to do in the past like, >> cuz what I tried to do in the past like, >> cuz what I tried to do in the past like, oh, you got a salt load and then you got oh, you got a salt load and then you got oh, you got a salt load and then you got a water deplete and you got a car load a water deplete and you got a car load a water deplete and you got a car load and you're like, ah, man, just like keep and you're like, ah, man, just like keep and you're like, ah, man, just like keep it the same. Like, keep it simple. Oh, it the same. Like, keep it simple. Oh, it the same. Like, keep it simple. Oh, carb load is fine, but I think people carb load is fine, but I think people carb load is fine, but I think people do, or at least I overco complicated it. do, or at least I overco complicated it. do, or at least I overco complicated it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, because you get so many different >> Um, because you get so many different >> Um, because you get so many different pieces of advice. You're not sure what pieces of advice. You're not sure what pieces of advice. You're not sure what like am I ready? Am I not ready? Should like am I ready? Am I not ready? Should like am I ready? Am I not ready? Should I take this diuretic? Should I do this I take this diuretic? Should I do this I take this diuretic? Should I do this water load? Like, I don't know. So, water load? Like, I don't know. So, water load? Like, I don't know. So, you're just always trying new things, you're just always trying new things, you're just always trying new things, you know? you know? you know? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, so it's great to learn, but not >> Um, so it's great to learn, but not >> Um, so it's great to learn, but not great to get the get the consistent great to get the get the consistent great to get the get the consistent outcome. outcome. outcome. >> How common are the GLPs now in >> How common are the GLPs now in >> How common are the GLPs now in bodybuilding? I got to imagine that bodybuilding? I got to imagine that bodybuilding? I got to imagine that they're using them in pre-contest uh for they're using them in pre-contest uh for they're using them in pre-contest uh for dieting. dieting. dieting. >> Um I don't know. I don't really keep in >> Um I don't know. I don't really keep in >> Um I don't know. I don't really keep in touch with a lot of bodybuilders if I'm touch with a lot of bodybuilders if I'm touch with a lot of bodybuilders if I'm honest, man. I've been to a show and I honest, man. I've been to a show and I honest, man. I've been to a show and I went to Olympia a couple times, but not went to Olympia a couple times, but not went to Olympia a couple times, but not much. Um much. Um much. Um >> a guy like you, when you look at >> a guy like you, when you look at >> a guy like you, when you look at because, you know, I know this this is because, you know, I know this this is because, you know, I know this this is for everybody's always looked back and for everybody's always looked back and for everybody's always looked back and go, "Oh, we were so much, you know, go, "Oh, we were so much, you know, go, "Oh, we were so much, you know, hard, you know, it was so much harder hard, you know, it was so much harder hard, you know, it was so much harder for us, but I mean, uh looking now, if for us, but I mean, uh looking now, if for us, but I mean, uh looking now, if you saw a bodybuilder, you see GLP in a you saw a bodybuilder, you see GLP in a you saw a bodybuilder, you see GLP in a pre-contest, would you be like, [ __ ] pre-contest, would you be like, [ __ ] pre-contest, would you be like, [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Well, >> Well, >> Well, >> cuz that's like the hardest part, dude, >> cuz that's like the hardest part, dude, >> cuz that's like the hardest part, dude, is like you're starving yourself. is like you're starving yourself. is like you're starving yourself. >> Yeah. But I love that, right? So, I >> Yeah. But I love that, right? So, I >> Yeah. But I love that, right? So, I think I think the thing that think I think the thing that think I think the thing that bodybuilders miss is like bodybuilders miss is like bodybuilders miss is like >> the hard work is the prize, man. The the >> the hard work is the prize, man. The the >> the hard work is the prize, man. The the the discomfort. the discomfort. the discomfort. >> You like the pre-contest diet? >> You like the pre-contest diet? >> You like the pre-contest diet? >> I agree with that. I agree with that. >> I agree with that. I agree with that. >> I agree with that. I agree with that. There's something there's something to There's something there's something to There's something there's something to be said about knowing that most can't do be said about knowing that most can't do be said about knowing that most can't do this. this. this. >> You can't do this. >> You can't do this. >> You can't do this. >> Yeah. I just I there there's just >> Yeah. I just I there there's just >> Yeah. I just I there there's just there's something about I mean this is there's something about I mean this is there's something about I mean this is the the people that scoff at the the people that scoff at the the people that scoff at bodybuilding as a sport because oh it's bodybuilding as a sport because oh it's bodybuilding as a sport because oh it's not a sport. The fact that it's there's not a sport. The fact that it's there's not a sport. The fact that it's there's never a day off. You compare that. never a day off. You compare that. never a day off. You compare that. That's the thing that it makes it like a That's the thing that it makes it like a That's the thing that it makes it like a sport is that name me another sport sport is that name me another sport sport is that name me another sport where you don't get a day off. Like it's where you don't get a day off. Like it's where you don't get a day off. Like it's the every thing that you intake is the every thing that you intake is the every thing that you intake is accounted for. Every workout can't be accounted for. Every workout can't be accounted for. Every workout can't be missed. And there's something about missed. And there's something about missed. And there's something about knowing that most people can't do that. knowing that most people can't do that. knowing that most people can't do that. is just is just is just >> I feel like um if I wasn't suffering, >> I feel like um if I wasn't suffering, >> I feel like um if I wasn't suffering, I wasn't enjoying it. Like I I was like I wasn't enjoying it. Like I I was like I wasn't enjoying it. Like I I was like I was either suffering in the gym or I I was either suffering in the gym or I I was either suffering in the gym or I was suffering because of the diet. Like was suffering because of the diet. Like was suffering because of the diet. Like I wanted I wanted to suffer. I loved it. I wanted I wanted to suffer. I loved it. I wanted I wanted to suffer. I loved it. Yeah. It's Yeah. You could say something Yeah. It's Yeah. You could say something Yeah. It's Yeah. You could say something about my mental well-being. [laughter] about my mental well-being. [laughter] about my mental well-being. [laughter] >> Yeah. But I think that's I think that >> Yeah. But I think that's I think that >> Yeah. But I think that's I think that there's something about that's what there's something about that's what there's something about that's what makes uh you successful at it is that makes uh you successful at it is that makes uh you successful at it is that you versus being the person who like you versus being the person who like you versus being the person who like complains about it. Yeah. You have to complains about it. Yeah. You have to complains about it. Yeah. You have to lean into that. You have to leave. lean into that. You have to leave. lean into that. You have to leave. >> I don't know how you would make it in a >> I don't know how you would make it in a >> I don't know how you would make it in a sport like bodybuilding without sport like bodybuilding without sport like bodybuilding without >> Yeah, you wouldn't make it very far, I >> Yeah, you wouldn't make it very far, I >> Yeah, you wouldn't make it very far, I wouldn't think, unless you find a way to wouldn't think, unless you find a way to wouldn't think, unless you find a way to enjoy. enjoy. enjoy. >> Where do you place all that intensity >> Where do you place all that intensity >> Where do you place all that intensity now? Like as you're now? Like as you're now? Like as you're >> Well, he's zen now, dude. >> Well, he's zen now, dude. >> Well, he's zen now, dude. >> Yeah, I know. You're the zen guy. You're >> Yeah, I know. You're the zen guy. You're >> Yeah, I know. You're the zen guy. You're so chill. so chill. so chill. >> You learn that it's a tool. So, you >> You learn that it's a tool. So, you >> You learn that it's a tool. So, you know, I had a lot [clears throat] of know, I had a lot [clears throat] of know, I had a lot [clears throat] of aggression as a young kid. I had a lot aggression as a young kid. I had a lot aggression as a young kid. I had a lot of uh Yeah, I guess just aggression is of uh Yeah, I guess just aggression is of uh Yeah, I guess just aggression is the right word. I had a lot of energy the right word. I had a lot of energy the right word. I had a lot of energy and I was told that that was bad. I was and I was told that that was bad. I was and I was told that that was bad. I was told that, you know, you're a bad kid. told that, you know, you're a bad kid. told that, you know, you're a bad kid. You're misbehaving. End up in jail. And You're misbehaving. End up in jail. And You're misbehaving. End up in jail. And uh I didn't realize it was just it was uh I didn't realize it was just it was uh I didn't realize it was just it was just a it was just a part just a it was just a part just a it was just a part [clears throat] of me, you know. It [clears throat] of me, you know. It [clears throat] of me, you know. It wasn't all of me. It was just a part of wasn't all of me. It was just a part of wasn't all of me. It was just a part of me. And um so I sort of put it away or I me. And um so I sort of put it away or I me. And um so I sort of put it away or I I thought I was a bad person. I I thought I was a bad person. I I thought I was a bad person. I compartmentalized it and I was like, you compartmentalized it and I was like, you compartmentalized it and I was like, you know, I'm a bad person. I made it about know, I'm a bad person. I made it about know, I'm a bad person. I made it about me. And uh what I realized is that was me. And uh what I realized is that was me. And uh what I realized is that was my gift. But nobody ever told me that. my gift. But nobody ever told me that. my gift. But nobody ever told me that. Man, when you learn to use that, nobody Man, when you learn to use that, nobody Man, when you learn to use that, nobody else, not not a lot of other people in else, not not a lot of other people in else, not not a lot of other people in the world have that level of intensity, the world have that level of intensity, the world have that level of intensity, that level of commitment, that level of that level of commitment, that level of that level of commitment, that level of of compulsion to move towards something. of compulsion to move towards something. of compulsion to move towards something. And uh if you learn to wield that tool, And uh if you learn to wield that tool, And uh if you learn to wield that tool, that weapon, it'll take you far. If it that weapon, it'll take you far. If it that weapon, it'll take you far. If it controls you, you'll go in the wrong controls you, you'll go in the wrong controls you, you'll go in the wrong direction, you know. So, I learned direction, you know. So, I learned direction, you know. So, I learned through my [snorts] bodybuilding years, through my [snorts] bodybuilding years, through my [snorts] bodybuilding years, through many other years, whether it be through many other years, whether it be through many other years, whether it be meditation or plant medicines, that uh meditation or plant medicines, that uh meditation or plant medicines, that uh that's just an amazing part of me that I that's just an amazing part of me that I that's just an amazing part of me that I don't want to deny, but I don't need to don't want to deny, but I don't need to don't want to deny, but I don't need to let it come out every day. You know, let it come out every day. You know, let it come out every day. You know, it's still there. If I want to access it's still there. If I want to access it's still there. If I want to access it, it's still there. And I think it's a it, it's still there. And I think it's a it, it's still there. And I think it's a superpower, but it's not useful if I'm superpower, but it's not useful if I'm superpower, but it's not useful if I'm having a conversation. And it's not having a conversation. And it's not having a conversation. And it's not useful if I'm, you know, reading to my useful if I'm, you know, reading to my useful if I'm, you know, reading to my kids at night. Like that's that's not So kids at night. Like that's that's not So kids at night. Like that's that's not So I just always think of like these I just always think of like these I just always think of like these different versions of myself and this different versions of myself and this different versions of myself and this different level of arousal that I get to different level of arousal that I get to different level of arousal that I get to kind of play with. You know, I get to be kind of play with. You know, I get to be kind of play with. You know, I get to be really intense when I need to be, but I really intense when I need to be, but I really intense when I need to be, but I get to be really calm and centered when get to be really calm and centered when get to be really calm and centered when I need to be, right? That's the that's I need to be, right? That's the that's I need to be, right? That's the that's the premise of my business. The business the premise of my business. The business the premise of my business. The business is sort of taking the shape of what I is sort of taking the shape of what I is sort of taking the shape of what I call the warrior and the monk. call the warrior and the monk. call the warrior and the monk. >> Mhm. So obviously the warrior >> Mhm. So obviously the warrior >> Mhm. So obviously the warrior self-explanatory is like I want to be self-explanatory is like I want to be self-explanatory is like I want to be able to run, jump, play, fight, uh all able to run, jump, play, fight, uh all able to run, jump, play, fight, uh all of it, uh when I need to at the highest of it, uh when I need to at the highest of it, uh when I need to at the highest level, you know, and then I want to be level, you know, and then I want to be level, you know, and then I want to be able to be the the lighthouse in the able to be the the lighthouse in the able to be the the lighthouse in the storm and be calm. storm and be calm. storm and be calm. >> So do you do martial arts now for those >> So do you do martial arts now for those >> So do you do martial arts now for those like bursts of intensity or like like bursts of intensity or like like bursts of intensity or like >> just training? So you know, it's funny. >> just training? So you know, it's funny. >> just training? So you know, it's funny. I would love to do martial arts. I I would love to do martial arts. I I would love to do martial arts. I actually did a lot of Muay Thai after actually did a lot of Muay Thai after actually did a lot of Muay Thai after retiring and I love it. retiring and I love it. retiring and I love it. >> Um but just finding time in my day now. >> Um but just finding time in my day now. >> Um but just finding time in my day now. So like my my kids are my top priority. So like my my kids are my top priority. So like my my kids are my top priority. It's like I'm taking to every sporting It's like I'm taking to every sporting It's like I'm taking to every sporting event that I can. So, takes some time. event that I can. So, takes some time. event that I can. So, takes some time. It takes some time. Um, so I still get It takes some time. Um, so I still get It takes some time. Um, so I still get my workouts in. I still get my cardios my workouts in. I still get my cardios my workouts in. I still get my cardios in, but trying to make time like you I in, but trying to make time like you I in, but trying to make time like you I feel like I I had 20 years of feel like I I had 20 years of feel like I I had 20 years of selfishness. Now it's time that I'm no selfishness. Now it's time that I'm no selfishness. Now it's time that I'm no longer the the top priority. But I once longer the the top priority. But I once longer the the top priority. But I once my kids are off to university, I'm sure my kids are off to university, I'm sure my kids are off to university, I'm sure I'll go back and do something like that. I'll go back and do something like that. I'll go back and do something like that. >> Tell us about your gym. Uh, how's that >> Tell us about your gym. Uh, how's that >> Tell us about your gym. Uh, how's that going? And you talked a little bit you going? And you talked a little bit you going? And you talked a little bit you you mentioned the culture of your gym a you mentioned the culture of your gym a you mentioned the culture of your gym a little bit uh earlier. So, let's talk little bit uh earlier. So, let's talk little bit uh earlier. So, let's talk about that. about that. about that. Um, so when I'm there, Um, so when I'm there, Um, so when I'm there, um, um, um, I know everyone's name. I know what I know everyone's name. I know what I know everyone's name. I know what they're working out that day. I, uh, they're working out that day. I, uh, they're working out that day. I, uh, probably know what their their wife's probably know what their their wife's probably know what their their wife's name is or their husband's name is. I name is or their husband's name is. I name is or their husband's name is. I know what their dog's name is. I know know what their dog's name is. I know know what their dog's name is. I know what the kids' name are. So, and it's a what the kids' name are. So, and it's a what the kids' name are. So, and it's a culture of making everybody better. culture of making everybody better. culture of making everybody better. Like, I want to understand you. I want Like, I want to understand you. I want Like, I want to understand you. I want to understand why you're in the gym. I to understand why you're in the gym. I to understand why you're in the gym. I understand why you're struggling. I want understand why you're struggling. I want understand why you're struggling. I want to understand what your mental to understand what your mental to understand what your mental challenges are. And I want to make you challenges are. And I want to make you challenges are. And I want to make you better. And because I've done it at a better. And because I've done it at a better. And because I've done it at a high level, most people will give me the high level, most people will give me the high level, most people will give me the time and be like, "Hey, I'd love to take time and be like, "Hey, I'd love to take time and be like, "Hey, I'd love to take some advice or ask me a question." So some advice or ask me a question." So some advice or ask me a question." So that um creates a standard so like that um creates a standard so like that um creates a standard so like everyone sees me doing it for them and everyone sees me doing it for them and everyone sees me doing it for them and it lets lets the guard down, right? No it lets lets the guard down, right? No it lets lets the guard down, right? No one comes in with a big ego because they one comes in with a big ego because they one comes in with a big ego because they know they're not the top of the totem know they're not the top of the totem know they're not the top of the totem pole. Like some people are, but the pole. Like some people are, but the pole. Like some people are, but the people you guys know this, the people at people you guys know this, the people at people you guys know this, the people at the top of the totem pole generally the top of the totem pole generally the top of the totem pole generally aren't the ones with the big egos. aren't the ones with the big egos. aren't the ones with the big egos. >> It's the ones sort of like totally >> It's the ones sort of like totally >> It's the ones sort of like totally >> try to fight fighting to be there. So, >> try to fight fighting to be there. So, >> try to fight fighting to be there. So, I'm very blessed to have a lot of really I'm very blessed to have a lot of really I'm very blessed to have a lot of really great athletes in the gym and we kind of great athletes in the gym and we kind of great athletes in the gym and we kind of just keep this culture of uh you know just keep this culture of uh you know just keep this culture of uh you know supporting each other, caring for each supporting each other, caring for each supporting each other, caring for each other and making everybody better as as other and making everybody better as as other and making everybody better as as a common value. a common value. a common value. >> Have you had to bury anybody in a >> Have you had to bury anybody in a >> Have you had to bury anybody in a workout in there workout in there workout in there >> as I can? [laughter] >> as I can? [laughter] >> as I can? [laughter] >> There it is. >> There it is. >> There it is. >> Have you had to humble any members >> Have you had to humble any members >> Have you had to humble any members >> as often as I can because I would imag >> as often as I can because I would imag >> as often as I can because I would imag So, what happens too when you're that So, what happens too when you're that So, what happens too when you're that guy, right, who has that reputation, I guy, right, who has that reputation, I guy, right, who has that reputation, I imagine there's always some somebody who imagine there's always some somebody who imagine there's always some somebody who wants to challenge that. And so, wants to challenge that. And so, wants to challenge that. And so, >> you know, it's funny. So two years ago, >> you know, it's funny. So two years ago, >> you know, it's funny. So two years ago, I think it was two years ago in June, I I think it was two years ago in June, I I think it was two years ago in June, I tore my labum in my hip, my left hip. tore my labum in my hip, my left hip. tore my labum in my hip, my left hip. >> I did it during a leg workout. And ever >> I did it during a leg workout. And ever >> I did it during a leg workout. And ever since then, that's the worst since then, that's the worst since then, that's the worst bodybuilding injury I've ever had. bodybuilding injury I've ever had. bodybuilding injury I've ever had. >> That sounds horrible. >> That sounds horrible. >> That sounds horrible. >> It's horrible. And uh ever since then, I >> It's horrible. And uh ever since then, I >> It's horrible. And uh ever since then, I can't I can squat and I can deadlift, can't I can squat and I can deadlift, can't I can squat and I can deadlift, but I suffer for three or four days. I but I suffer for three or four days. I but I suffer for three or four days. I limp for three or four days afterwards. limp for three or four days afterwards. limp for three or four days afterwards. So my squatting and deadlifting since I So my squatting and deadlifting since I So my squatting and deadlifting since I did that, I'm like, ah. did that, I'm like, ah. did that, I'm like, ah. >> So I'm like I've asked about should I do >> So I'm like I've asked about should I do >> So I'm like I've asked about should I do surgery? Should I not do surgery? surgery? Should I not do surgery? surgery? Should I not do surgery? Because I don't want to stop the Because I don't want to stop the Because I don't want to stop the training. But like, yeah, I love to go, training. But like, yeah, I love to go, training. But like, yeah, I love to go, man. But if I go literally any amount of man. But if I go literally any amount of man. But if I go literally any amount of deadlift, any amount of hard deadlift, I deadlift, any amount of hard deadlift, I deadlift, any amount of hard deadlift, I just limp. I look like an old man. just limp. I look like an old man. just limp. I look like an old man. [laughter] So, I just So, my training in [laughter] So, I just So, my training in [laughter] So, I just So, my training in the last two years, I'll have to I'll the last two years, I'll have to I'll the last two years, I'll have to I'll have to admit, reluctantly, is has taken have to admit, reluctantly, is has taken have to admit, reluctantly, is has taken a bit of a backseat. It's not It's not a bit of a backseat. It's not It's not a bit of a backseat. It's not It's not the same as it was before. But, the same as it was before. But, the same as it was before. But, ironically, I shifted into doing a ironically, I shifted into doing a ironically, I shifted into doing a little more sprinting. Yeah. And little more sprinting. Yeah. And little more sprinting. Yeah. And sprinting feels great. Doesn't hurt my sprinting feels great. Doesn't hurt my sprinting feels great. Doesn't hurt my >> You can sprint and your hips. My hips >> You can sprint and your hips. My hips >> You can sprint and your hips. My hips Okay. But my but if I loaded deadlift, Okay. But my but if I loaded deadlift, Okay. But my but if I loaded deadlift, even if I put a bar like a plate on a even if I put a bar like a plate on a even if I put a bar like a plate on a bar, my my hips going to hurt the next bar, my my hips going to hurt the next bar, my my hips going to hurt the next day. day. day. >> Wow. So, >> Wow. So, >> Wow. So, >> how'd you hurt it? What were you doing? >> how'd you hurt it? What were you doing? >> how'd you hurt it? What were you doing? >> Leg press. I was trying again. >> Leg press. I was trying again. >> Leg press. I was trying again. >> Those leg press. >> Those leg press. >> Those leg press. >> Bearing somebody. Yeah. God. Really? How >> Bearing somebody. Yeah. God. Really? How >> Bearing somebody. Yeah. God. Really? How much weight do you have on their much weight do you have on their much weight do you have on their >> Yeah, but going too deep. But going too >> Yeah, but going too deep. But going too >> Yeah, but going too deep. But going too deep, right? Like like ah [ __ ] A little deep, right? Like like ah [ __ ] A little deep, right? Like like ah [ __ ] A little little uncontrolled, you know, just little uncontrolled, you know, just little uncontrolled, you know, just getting getting stupid cuz you're getting getting stupid cuz you're getting getting stupid cuz you're training with somebody who's got a big training with somebody who's got a big training with somebody who's got a big ego. You got you got to show them up, ego. You got you got to show them up, ego. You got you got to show them up, man. Damn [laughter] it. man. Damn [laughter] it. man. Damn [laughter] it. >> You're not 25 anymore, dog. Dude, you're >> You're not 25 anymore, dog. Dude, you're >> You're not 25 anymore, dog. Dude, you're not 25 anymore. not 25 anymore. not 25 anymore. >> And I even went and got stem cells >> And I even went and got stem cells >> And I even went and got stem cells injected into my hip and didn't make it. injected into my hip and didn't make it. injected into my hip and didn't make it. Like I have no pain, Like I have no pain, Like I have no pain, >> but you do certain things. Yeah. Yeah. >> but you do certain things. Yeah. Yeah. >> but you do certain things. Yeah. Yeah. How often are you able to go in there? How often are you able to go in there? How often are you able to go in there? >> To your gym? >> To your gym? >> To your gym? >> Oh, well, most days. >> Oh, well, most days. >> Oh, well, most days. >> Oh, awesome. So, you're in there all the >> Oh, awesome. So, you're in there all the >> Oh, awesome. So, you're in there all the time? time? time? >> Yeah, most days. >> Yeah, most days. >> Yeah, most days. >> Oh, that's great. That's got to be so >> Oh, that's great. That's got to be so >> Oh, that's great. That's got to be so awesome. I I feel like uh at some point awesome. I I feel like uh at some point awesome. I I feel like uh at some point I want to own a gym just, you know, if I want to own a gym just, you know, if I want to own a gym just, you know, if we ever retire, which I don't know if we ever retire, which I don't know if we ever retire, which I don't know if that'll ever have no better name than that'll ever have no better name than that'll ever have no better name than cells. [laughter] cells. [laughter] cells. [laughter] >> They think it's a pizzeria and sell >> They think it's a pizzeria and sell >> They think it's a pizzeria and sell take a page out of Planet Fitness. take a page out of Planet Fitness. take a page out of Planet Fitness. >> Yeah. [laughter] But I but no, I I just >> Yeah. [laughter] But I but no, I I just >> Yeah. [laughter] But I but no, I I just it's just the um just the the it's just the um just the the it's just the um just the the environment, you know? I mean, we have environment, you know? I mean, we have environment, you know? I mean, we have we actually have trainers here now that we actually have trainers here now that we actually have trainers here now that train clients and I love walking out and train clients and I love walking out and train clients and I love walking out and seeing people working out and training seeing people working out and training seeing people working out and training together and it's just the vibe, dude. I together and it's just the vibe, dude. I together and it's just the vibe, dude. I just I just love it. Absolutely love it. just I just love it. Absolutely love it. just I just love it. Absolutely love it. So, it's got to be so great to be in So, it's got to be so great to be in So, it's got to be so great to be in there. there. there. >> Yeah. It It's good and bad, right? So, >> Yeah. It It's good and bad, right? So, >> Yeah. It It's good and bad, right? So, for the first four or five years, people for the first four or five years, people for the first four or five years, people weren't allowed in there and we had co weren't allowed in there and we had co weren't allowed in there and we had co trainers, but no, like public trainers, but no, like public trainers, but no, like public >> Yeah. Um, so now you know like imagine >> Yeah. Um, so now you know like imagine >> Yeah. Um, so now you know like imagine somebody came into your office and like somebody came into your office and like somebody came into your office and like mused something, [ __ ] it up, and then mused something, [ __ ] it up, and then mused something, [ __ ] it up, and then left. [laughter] Like, what are these left. [laughter] Like, what are these left. [laughter] Like, what are these people doing, man? They don't respect my people doing, man? They don't respect my people doing, man? They don't respect my So sometimes they're a little pissed So sometimes they're a little pissed So sometimes they're a little pissed off. But that I usually run a pretty off. But that I usually run a pretty off. But that I usually run a pretty tight [ __ ] Most people in there are tight [ __ ] Most people in there are tight [ __ ] Most people in there are pretty good. I have a very strict no pretty good. I have a very strict no pretty good. I have a very strict no [ __ ] policy. So, uh, anyone breaks [ __ ] policy. So, uh, anyone breaks [ __ ] policy. So, uh, anyone breaks anything, kick them out or if they at anything, kick them out or if they at anything, kick them out or if they at least they, you know, act negligently, least they, you know, act negligently, least they, you know, act negligently, we kick them out. we kick them out. we kick them out. >> I would imagine because you keep it so >> I would imagine because you keep it so >> I would imagine because you keep it so limited that you can almost do like an limited that you can almost do like an limited that you can almost do like an application process for application process for application process for >> We did. We did. Well, so we have a >> We did. We did. Well, so we have a >> We did. We did. Well, so we have a waiting list. waiting list. waiting list. >> Oh, you do? Okay. >> Oh, you do? Okay. >> Oh, you do? Okay. >> We do have a waiting list. >> We do have a waiting list. >> We do have a waiting list. >> Oh, so that's kind of cool. So then you >> Oh, so that's kind of cool. So then you >> Oh, so that's kind of cool. So then you can you can start to you can can you can start to you can can you can start to you can >> you can kick someone off. >> you can kick someone off. >> you can kick someone off. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sparse people out. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sparse people out. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sparse people out. Yeah. >> And I don't need your money, right? I'm >> And I don't need your money, right? I'm >> And I don't need your money, right? I'm like at the point like I need your 300 like at the point like I need your 300 like at the point like I need your 300 bucks. I'm like [ __ ] taking it get bucks. I'm like [ __ ] taking it get bucks. I'm like [ __ ] taking it get out, man. Leave me alone. I'd rather out, man. Leave me alone. I'd rather out, man. Leave me alone. I'd rather have my my peace and my sanity than your have my my peace and my sanity than your have my my peace and my sanity than your [ __ ] $300. [ __ ] $300. [ __ ] $300. >> Exactly. You you've been remarkably >> Exactly. You you've been remarkably >> Exactly. You you've been remarkably consistent with uh you know who you are consistent with uh you know who you are consistent with uh you know who you are on social media. It's been a long time on social media. It's been a long time on social media. It's been a long time now and uh there's always the allure of now and uh there's always the allure of now and uh there's always the allure of the algorithm pulling you in a different the algorithm pulling you in a different the algorithm pulling you in a different direction and maybe slightly direction and maybe slightly direction and maybe slightly compromising who you are, integrity, but compromising who you are, integrity, but compromising who you are, integrity, but you've been you've remained incredibly you've been you've remained incredibly you've been you've remained incredibly consistent. Talk about that a little bit consistent. Talk about that a little bit consistent. Talk about that a little bit because I know a lot of people try to because I know a lot of people try to because I know a lot of people try to build their business through social build their business through social build their business through social media and I've seen this, you know, so media and I've seen this, you know, so media and I've seen this, you know, so we've been doing this for a long time we've been doing this for a long time we've been doing this for a long time too and you just see this you just see too and you just see this you just see too and you just see this you just see how people change because how people change because how people change because the algorithm, you know, is going to the algorithm, you know, is going to the algorithm, you know, is going to reward a certain way of communicating or reward a certain way of communicating or reward a certain way of communicating or style or whatever. style or whatever. style or whatever. >> Yeah. My team's trying to get me to do >> Yeah. My team's trying to get me to do >> Yeah. My team's trying to get me to do it. I just I just have no desire to it. I just I just have no desire to it. I just I just have no desire to >> Of course they are because that's their >> Of course they are because that's their >> Of course they are because that's their job. It's like, "Hey, here's what you job. It's like, "Hey, here's what you job. It's like, "Hey, here's what you got to do to get the clicks." got to do to get the clicks." got to do to get the clicks." >> Yeah. I have no desire to be anything >> Yeah. I have no desire to be anything >> Yeah. I have no desire to be anything other than myself, man. And like I've other than myself, man. And like I've other than myself, man. And like I've had relative success, thank goodness, by had relative success, thank goodness, by had relative success, thank goodness, by being myself. Um so for me to change to being myself. Um so for me to change to being myself. Um so for me to change to do something else or be someone else do something else or be someone else do something else or be someone else just like this doesn't make sense to me. just like this doesn't make sense to me. just like this doesn't make sense to me. Like I I don't want to play someone Like I I don't want to play someone Like I I don't want to play someone else's game. I want to play my game. And else's game. I want to play my game. And else's game. I want to play my game. And I think when I'm authentically myself I think when I'm authentically myself I think when I'm authentically myself generally comes across pretty well. Most generally comes across pretty well. Most generally comes across pretty well. Most people react pretty well. So I guess people react pretty well. So I guess people react pretty well. So I guess because I've had some version of because I've had some version of because I've had some version of success, I'm not chasing anything at success, I'm not chasing anything at success, I'm not chasing anything at this point. Um yeah, I think uh I chase this point. Um yeah, I think uh I chase this point. Um yeah, I think uh I chase education, I chase knowledge, I chase education, I chase knowledge, I chase education, I chase knowledge, I chase wisdom, I chase results. And if I just wisdom, I chase results. And if I just wisdom, I chase results. And if I just uh exude those things effectively and uh exude those things effectively and uh exude those things effectively and I'm myself and I love solving problems I'm myself and I love solving problems I'm myself and I love solving problems and I think that's why I shifted into and I think that's why I shifted into and I think that's why I shifted into coaching people is um I basically look coaching people is um I basically look coaching people is um I basically look at a body the same way I look at a at a body the same way I look at a at a body the same way I look at a business. I'm like there's just complex business. I'm like there's just complex business. I'm like there's just complex problems to solve. So you're like how do problems to solve. So you're like how do problems to solve. So you're like how do I solve this problem in the most I solve this problem in the most I solve this problem in the most efficient way? Um, so I just take those efficient way? Um, so I just take those efficient way? Um, so I just take those values that I live by and speak them values that I live by and speak them values that I live by and speak them online. online. online. >> When you when we uh met each other >> When you when we uh met each other >> When you when we uh met each other almost eight years ago, I think it was almost eight years ago, I think it was almost eight years ago, I think it was uh you were already uh successful. So uh you were already uh successful. So uh you were already uh successful. So what has over the eight years that we've what has over the eight years that we've what has over the eight years that we've been friends? What has the the business been friends? What has the the business been friends? What has the the business looked like for you as far as like has looked like for you as far as like has looked like for you as far as like has it been this even coast? Did you have it been this even coast? Did you have it been this even coast? Did you have some tough years that went down? Did you some tough years that went down? Did you some tough years that went down? Did you have to pivot a lot? Like what is what have to pivot a lot? Like what is what have to pivot a lot? Like what is what has that kind of journey been like since has that kind of journey been like since has that kind of journey been like since we've known each other? we've known each other? we've known each other? >> Yeah. So prior to co I was doing uh very >> Yeah. So prior to co I was doing uh very >> Yeah. So prior to co I was doing uh very well in exactly what you guys are doing well in exactly what you guys are doing well in exactly what you guys are doing actually the like the digital programs. actually the like the digital programs. actually the like the digital programs. >> That's right. I remember that. That's >> That's right. I remember that. That's >> That's right. I remember that. That's right. right. right. >> Yep. So we're doing really well in that. >> Yep. So we're doing really well in that. >> Yep. So we're doing really well in that. And uh I was mentoring some coaches. I And uh I was mentoring some coaches. I And uh I was mentoring some coaches. I had you know a couple times a year I had you know a couple times a year I had you know a couple times a year I take on 30 coaches and mentor them and take on 30 coaches and mentor them and take on 30 coaches and mentor them and that was going really well. So um the that was going really well. So um the that was going really well. So um the digital program is always you know great digital program is always you know great digital program is always you know great revenue, easy to do at the gym. So that revenue, easy to do at the gym. So that revenue, easy to do at the gym. So that was you know easy and then co happened. was you know easy and then co happened. was you know easy and then co happened. Everyone stopped working out. So, I was Everyone stopped working out. So, I was Everyone stopped working out. So, I was like, "Well, I got to pivot." So, I like, "Well, I got to pivot." So, I like, "Well, I got to pivot." So, I pivoted into uh more mentoring of pivoted into uh more mentoring of pivoted into uh more mentoring of coaches and then taking online clients. coaches and then taking online clients. coaches and then taking online clients. Um and it wasn't even an intentional Um and it wasn't even an intentional Um and it wasn't even an intentional um like, oh, I got to like re rebuild um like, oh, I got to like re rebuild um like, oh, I got to like re rebuild myself. I was just like, well, that myself. I was just like, well, that myself. I was just like, well, that income is going to go away. I'm just income is going to go away. I'm just income is going to go away. I'm just going to offer this coaching um thing, going to offer this coaching um thing, going to offer this coaching um thing, which I had been doing anyways. I just which I had been doing anyways. I just which I had been doing anyways. I just sort of ramped it up. And that just went sort of ramped it up. And that just went sort of ramped it up. And that just went really well. And because I'd been really well. And because I'd been really well. And because I'd been mentoring coaches online, I just pluck mentoring coaches online, I just pluck mentoring coaches online, I just pluck the best ones out of the out of the the best ones out of the out of the the best ones out of the out of the cohort and like, "Hey, you want to come cohort and like, "Hey, you want to come cohort and like, "Hey, you want to come work for me?" And I pay better than work for me?" And I pay better than work for me?" And I pay better than anyone else in the industry. So, I was anyone else in the industry. So, I was anyone else in the industry. So, I was able to retain the best coaches who've able to retain the best coaches who've able to retain the best coaches who've still been with me for 5 years. Um, so still been with me for 5 years. Um, so still been with me for 5 years. Um, so yeah, that's been sort of the business yeah, that's been sort of the business yeah, that's been sort of the business just just the co pivot because you just just the co pivot because you just just the co pivot because you nobody knew how long it was going to nobody knew how long it was going to nobody knew how long it was going to last. Nobody knew if we were going to last. Nobody knew if we were going to last. Nobody knew if we were going to have gyms are opening again. So, have gyms are opening again. So, have gyms are opening again. So, >> um, that was sort of the biggest pivot >> um, that was sort of the biggest pivot >> um, that was sort of the biggest pivot and it was a blessing. You know, like and it was a blessing. You know, like and it was a blessing. You know, like while I would love to go back to the e while I would love to go back to the e while I would love to go back to the e ebooks and programs and stuff like that, ebooks and programs and stuff like that, ebooks and programs and stuff like that, um, the the interpersonal excuse me, um, the the interpersonal excuse me, um, the the interpersonal excuse me, connection that I get from working with connection that I get from working with connection that I get from working with clients is remarkable. clients is remarkable. clients is remarkable. >> Yeah. Um, so like the income was easy or >> Yeah. Um, so like the income was easy or >> Yeah. Um, so like the income was easy or not easy, it was consistent when I was not easy, it was consistent when I was not easy, it was consistent when I was doing the digital programs. Um, doing the digital programs. Um, doing the digital programs. Um, but I lost connection like I wasn't, you but I lost connection like I wasn't, you but I lost connection like I wasn't, you know, hugely in touch with clients. And know, hugely in touch with clients. And know, hugely in touch with clients. And because I wasn't doing bodybuilding because I wasn't doing bodybuilding because I wasn't doing bodybuilding anymore, I wasn't really wanting to anymore, I wasn't really wanting to anymore, I wasn't really wanting to build muscle. I wasn't trying to like build muscle. I wasn't trying to like build muscle. I wasn't trying to like get out there and be aggressive in get out there and be aggressive in get out there and be aggressive in muscle building. So it was like muscle building. So it was like muscle building. So it was like beautiful opportunity to transition into beautiful opportunity to transition into beautiful opportunity to transition into like mentoring men over 40, coaching men like mentoring men over 40, coaching men like mentoring men over 40, coaching men over 40 to, you know, whether it be over 40 to, you know, whether it be over 40 to, you know, whether it be performance focused or longevity performance focused or longevity performance focused or longevity focused. You know, when we first met focused. You know, when we first met focused. You know, when we first met too, you were also on this lose a 100 too, you were also on this lose a 100 too, you were also on this lose a 100 pounds journey. pounds journey. pounds journey. >> I did. >> I did. >> I did. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I got down [clears throat] to 225, but I >> I got down [clears throat] to 225, but I >> I got down [clears throat] to 225, but I felt like ET. I felt really skinny. felt like ET. I felt really skinny. felt like ET. I felt really skinny. >> Was that the lowest? So, the lowest you >> Was that the lowest? So, the lowest you >> Was that the lowest? So, the lowest you got down got down got down >> like my biggest size, dude. [laughter] >> like my biggest size, dude. [laughter] >> like my biggest size, dude. [laughter] >> 225. >> 225. >> 225. >> And where you big structure? >> And where you big structure? >> And where you big structure? >> Where are you hovering right now? >> Where are you hovering right now? >> Where are you hovering right now? >> 235. >> 235. >> 235. >> Okay. Only only 10 pounds higher than >> Okay. Only only 10 pounds higher than >> Okay. Only only 10 pounds higher than that. And And how much have you had to that. And And how much have you had to that. And And how much have you had to like scale volume and eating all that? like scale volume and eating all that? like scale volume and eating all that? >> It's very low. Like man, if I go back to >> It's very low. Like man, if I go back to >> It's very low. Like man, if I go back to the gym for three weeks consistently, I the gym for three weeks consistently, I the gym for three weeks consistently, I get bigger again. get bigger again. get bigger again. >> Oh, I imagine. Yes. Do you ever play >> Oh, I imagine. Yes. Do you ever play >> Oh, I imagine. Yes. Do you ever play with that every once in a while? Do you with that every once in a while? Do you with that every once in a while? Do you ever Okay. As I said, you ramp it up. ever Okay. As I said, you ramp it up. ever Okay. As I said, you ramp it up. >> I get some meat comes through the gym >> I get some meat comes through the gym >> I get some meat comes through the gym and wants to train and I'll end up being and wants to train and I'll end up being and wants to train and I'll end up being 260. [laughter] [clears throat] [clears throat] >> Hey, talk. Okay. So, this this is >> Hey, talk. Okay. So, this this is >> Hey, talk. Okay. So, this this is something that uh you know, I'm something that uh you know, I'm something that uh you know, I'm approaching 45 and so uh you know, I I approaching 45 and so uh you know, I I approaching 45 and so uh you know, I I never heard anybody communicate this to never heard anybody communicate this to never heard anybody communicate this to me when I was in my 20s or teens. Uh I me when I was in my 20s or teens. Uh I me when I was in my 20s or teens. Uh I always heard, "Oh, it gets so much always heard, "Oh, it gets so much always heard, "Oh, it gets so much harder when you get older." And so I harder when you get older." And so I harder when you get older." And so I just always thought that man, you know, just always thought that man, you know, just always thought that man, you know, being fit and being strong and having being fit and being strong and having being fit and being strong and having muscle as you get older is so difficult. muscle as you get older is so difficult. muscle as you get older is so difficult. I think that comes from the if you I think that comes from the if you I think that comes from the if you didn't start until you one of the things didn't start until you one of the things didn't start until you one of the things that I've noticed as I've gotten older that I've noticed as I've gotten older that I've noticed as I've gotten older is actually how easy it is to stay fit is actually how easy it is to stay fit is actually how easy it is to stay fit and keeping muscles easy. Yeah. the and keeping muscles easy. Yeah. the and keeping muscles easy. Yeah. the amount of training I have to do today. amount of training I have to do today. amount of training I have to do today. And I don't know if that's a testament And I don't know if that's a testament And I don't know if that's a testament to those crazy 3, four years of to those crazy 3, four years of to those crazy 3, four years of bodybuilding for me or what, but it is bodybuilding for me or what, but it is bodybuilding for me or what, but it is wild how little the the the kid, the wild how little the the the kid, the wild how little the the the kid, the 20-year-old kid that used to train 20-year-old kid that used to train 20-year-old kid that used to train double days to just gain an extra 5 or double days to just gain an extra 5 or double days to just gain an extra 5 or 10 pounds. 10 pounds. 10 pounds. >> I mean, I think now it's like, God, I I >> I mean, I think now it's like, God, I I >> I mean, I think now it's like, God, I I I touch a weight, you know, every few I touch a weight, you know, every few I touch a weight, you know, every few days and I I'll hang on to a lot of my days and I I'll hang on to a lot of my days and I I'll hang on to a lot of my muscle. Like, how has that been for you? muscle. Like, how has that been for you? muscle. Like, how has that been for you? And do you communicate that to people? And do you communicate that to people? And do you communicate that to people? Like that's one of the things I try and Like that's one of the things I try and Like that's one of the things I try and talk to people about like man just talk to people about like man just talk to people about like man just >> it's a selling point. >> it's a selling point. >> it's a selling point. >> Yeah. Stick with it right now cuz it >> Yeah. Stick with it right now cuz it >> Yeah. Stick with it right now cuz it actually gets easier if you keep actually gets easier if you keep actually gets easier if you keep building on it for years. building on it for years. building on it for years. >> Yeah. Um it's it actually surprises me >> Yeah. Um it's it actually surprises me >> Yeah. Um it's it actually surprises me how much strength I've been able to keep how much strength I've been able to keep how much strength I've been able to keep and how much muscle that if I want to and how much muscle that if I want to and how much muscle that if I want to turn it on, it comes back um Yeah. Much turn it on, it comes back um Yeah. Much turn it on, it comes back um Yeah. Much more than I would have expected more than I would have expected more than I would have expected considering how little I have to do. considering how little I have to do. considering how little I have to do. >> Way muscle memory is crazy. >> Way muscle memory is crazy. >> Way muscle memory is crazy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's actually remarkable. >> It's actually remarkable. >> It's actually remarkable. >> I know. And we all heard that get thrown >> I know. And we all heard that get thrown >> I know. And we all heard that get thrown around, but I don't think it I don't around, but I don't think it I don't around, but I don't think it I don't know. I don't know if people explain it know. I don't know if people explain it know. I don't know if people explain it well enough because I didn't think it well enough because I didn't think it well enough because I didn't think it was going to be like that. Not like to was going to be like that. Not like to was going to be like that. Not like to the to the level to just like you're the to the level to just like you're the to the level to just like you're saying like the effort that I have to saying like the effort that I have to saying like the effort that I have to put towards just to maintain and if I put towards just to maintain and if I put towards just to maintain and if I want to turn it on and I I struggle to want to turn it on and I I struggle to want to turn it on and I I struggle to gain I was not a I didn't put no 50 lbs gain I was not a I didn't put no 50 lbs gain I was not a I didn't put no 50 lbs on in a year or two like on in a year or two like on in a year or two like >> So let me ask you this question. >> So let me ask you this question. >> So let me ask you this question. >> Is it the same for mobility or does >> Is it the same for mobility or does >> Is it the same for mobility or does mobility go away faster? mobility go away faster? mobility go away faster? >> That's an interesting question. So, >> That's an interesting question. So, >> That's an interesting question. So, because I have an interesting mobility because I have an interesting mobility because I have an interesting mobility journey. Um, in fact, when we first met, journey. Um, in fact, when we first met, journey. Um, in fact, when we first met, I was on my kick of like really getting I was on my kick of like really getting I was on my kick of like really getting working on my mobility cuz it sucked working on my mobility cuz it sucked working on my mobility cuz it sucked right before that. And one of the things right before that. And one of the things right before that. And one of the things I also talked to these guys, I actually I also talked to these guys, I actually I also talked to these guys, I actually uh don't have to put nearly in the work uh don't have to put nearly in the work uh don't have to put nearly in the work for mobility to keep what I put all the for mobility to keep what I put all the for mobility to keep what I put all the hard work in to get it. But what I do hard work in to get it. But what I do hard work in to get it. But what I do have to do is there's certain things for have to do is there's certain things for have to do is there's certain things for example really deep range of motion example really deep range of motion example really deep range of motion squats and sit like now when I play with squats and sit like now when I play with squats and sit like now when I play with my son I sit in in that in that position my son I sit in in that in that position my son I sit in in that in that position which I couldn't do that which I couldn't do that which I couldn't do that >> 10 years yeah 10 years ago I couldn't do >> 10 years yeah 10 years ago I couldn't do >> 10 years yeah 10 years ago I couldn't do that. that. that. >> So as long as I do things like that I >> So as long as I do things like that I >> So as long as I do things like that I don't have to get down and do the 9090s don't have to get down and do the 9090s don't have to get down and do the 9090s and a lot of the mobility work that I and a lot of the mobility work that I and a lot of the mobility work that I had to do to get to there. So uh so in a had to do to get to there. So uh so in a had to do to get to there. So uh so in a sense I am still training that mo I'm sense I am still training that mo I'm sense I am still training that mo I'm keeping I'm keeping myself but I'm not keeping I'm keeping myself but I'm not keeping I'm keeping myself but I'm not having to put I used to have to dedicate having to put I used to have to dedicate having to put I used to have to dedicate time like I'm going to spend 30 minutes time like I'm going to spend 30 minutes time like I'm going to spend 30 minutes of just mobility work every day for for of just mobility work every day for for of just mobility work every day for for a couple years a couple years a couple years >> to get to that place but I still don't >> to get to that place but I still don't >> to get to that place but I still don't have to. There's certain exercises I have to. There's certain exercises I have to. There's certain exercises I just have to do occasionally just have to do occasionally just have to do occasionally >> that maintain that stability, strength >> that maintain that stability, strength >> that maintain that stability, strength and mobility and range of motion and it and mobility and range of motion and it and mobility and range of motion and it maintains. I don't I don't find myself maintains. I don't I don't find myself maintains. I don't I don't find myself having to put that much effort either having to put that much effort either having to put that much effort either there. I I think it's because you there. I I think it's because you there. I I think it's because you probably train like I find I don't know probably train like I find I don't know probably train like I find I don't know if you guys agree with this, but I find if you guys agree with this, but I find if you guys agree with this, but I find training has always been exponentially training has always been exponentially training has always been exponentially more effective for improving range of more effective for improving range of more effective for improving range of motion than any mobility workout. Like motion than any mobility workout. Like motion than any mobility workout. Like doing training with great ranges. doing training with great ranges. doing training with great ranges. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's so much more effective. >> It's so much more effective. >> It's so much more effective. >> Well, because real mobility is uh is >> Well, because real mobility is uh is >> Well, because real mobility is uh is >> the strength there. >> the strength there. >> the strength there. >> Yeah. It's range of motion with >> Yeah. It's range of motion with >> Yeah. It's range of motion with strength. strength. strength. >> You can't have one. >> You can't have one. >> You can't have one. >> So, and that's what I mean. So, as long >> So, and that's what I mean. So, as long >> So, and that's what I mean. So, as long as I do some movements that encourage as I do some movements that encourage as I do some movements that encourage that that I couldn't do before, I'm I'm that that I couldn't do before, I'm I'm that that I couldn't do before, I'm I'm good. good. good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Muscle memory is just it's also >> Muscle memory is just it's also >> Muscle memory is just it's also remarkable. When you look at this, the remarkable. When you look at this, the remarkable. When you look at this, the just what we know about it, um it's just what we know about it, um it's just what we know about it, um it's crazy. Uh like you build 10 pounds of crazy. Uh like you build 10 pounds of crazy. Uh like you build 10 pounds of muscle, it could take you a year to the muscle, it could take you a year to the muscle, it could take you a year to the average person could take them a year to average person could take them a year to average person could take them a year to build it. They could lose it all and build it. They could lose it all and build it. They could lose it all and then gain it back in a month. then gain it back in a month. then gain it back in a month. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I mean, it's just crazy how fast. >> I mean, it's just crazy how fast. >> I mean, it's just crazy how fast. >> Well, you remember when I did a I did a >> Well, you remember when I did a I did a >> Well, you remember when I did a I did a thing la last year. Two years ago now? thing la last year. Two years ago now? thing la last year. Two years ago now? Two years ago. I I did a GLP1 thing. So, Two years ago. I I did a GLP1 thing. So, Two years ago. I I did a GLP1 thing. So, I intentionally took GLP1 I intentionally took GLP1 I intentionally took GLP1 >> for how long? >> for how long? >> for how long? >> Uh for six months somewhere around >> Uh for six months somewhere around >> Uh for six months somewhere around there. Three to six months. Something there. Three to six months. Something there. Three to six months. Something like that. Yeah. Three to six months. like that. Yeah. Three to six months. like that. Yeah. Three to six months. And the my goal was to take my trainer And the my goal was to take my trainer And the my goal was to take my trainer brain out of it. So I wasn't going to go brain out of it. So I wasn't going to go brain out of it. So I wasn't going to go try and hit my protein intake, train try and hit my protein intake, train try and hit my protein intake, train really hard. Like I was like, I'm going really hard. Like I was like, I'm going really hard. Like I was like, I'm going to do this. to do this. to do this. >> Be a normie. >> Be a normie. >> Be a normie. >> Yes. I want to be a normie and if I'm >> Yes. I want to be a normie and if I'm >> Yes. I want to be a normie and if I'm not hungry, I'm not going to eat. If I not hungry, I'm not going to eat. If I not hungry, I'm not going to eat. If I don't feel like training, I'm not going don't feel like training, I'm not going don't feel like training, I'm not going to train. I'm just going to take this to train. I'm just going to take this to train. I'm just going to take this thing and let And boy was it I don't thing and let And boy was it I don't thing and let And boy was it I don't know if you've messed with GLP ones at know if you've messed with GLP ones at know if you've messed with GLP ones at all, but all, but all, but >> you did 30 days. >> you did 30 days. >> you did 30 days. >> Oh, bro. I mean, I could go a day or two >> Oh, bro. I mean, I could go a day or two >> Oh, bro. I mean, I could go a day or two and not eat and just not think about it. and not eat and just not think about it. and not eat and just not think about it. >> But then I Zic or what did you do? >> But then I Zic or what did you do? >> But then I Zic or what did you do? >> Uh I did appetite. Yeah, but I tell you >> Uh I did appetite. Yeah, but I tell you >> Uh I did appetite. Yeah, but I tell you what, like I the fatigue and I mean it what, like I the fatigue and I mean it what, like I the fatigue and I mean it was I would there was days where I had was I would there was days where I had was I would there was days where I had to choose like either get a couple to choose like either get a couple to choose like either get a couple exercises in or help my wife around the exercises in or help my wife around the exercises in or help my wife around the house cuz I couldn't do both. I didn't house cuz I couldn't do both. I didn't house cuz I couldn't do both. I didn't have enough fuel and energy to do both. have enough fuel and energy to do both. have enough fuel and energy to do both. Anyways, lost a ton of weight. Damn near Anyways, lost a ton of weight. Damn near Anyways, lost a ton of weight. Damn near half of it was muscle. So, I think I lo half of it was muscle. So, I think I lo half of it was muscle. So, I think I lo I think I lost a total of 25 or 30 lbs I think I lost a total of 25 or 30 lbs I think I lost a total of 25 or 30 lbs somewhere around there. Half muscle, somewhere around there. Half muscle, somewhere around there. Half muscle, half half half fat. half half half fat. half half half fat. >> Yeah. And uh and then I then I >> Yeah. And uh and then I then I >> Yeah. And uh and then I then I documented on YouTube uh training to get documented on YouTube uh training to get documented on YouTube uh training to get it back. And of course everybody thought it back. And of course everybody thought it back. And of course everybody thought I was lying. And I mean I did the the I was lying. And I mean I did the the I was lying. And I mean I did the the DEXA scan before to show everything like DEXA scan before to show everything like DEXA scan before to show everything like that. But I mean I put on 25 lbs of that. But I mean I put on 25 lbs of that. But I mean I put on 25 lbs of muscle or 22 what was it Dylan? 22 in muscle or 22 what was it Dylan? 22 in muscle or 22 what was it Dylan? 22 in the first month. the first month. the first month. >> 30 30 days. 22 lbs of muscle >> 30 30 days. 22 lbs of muscle >> 30 30 days. 22 lbs of muscle >> and not even muscle memory >> and not even muscle memory >> and not even muscle memory >> and not training crazy like slowly >> and not training crazy like slowly >> and not training crazy like slowly scaling totally. I mean, I was like scaling totally. I mean, I was like scaling totally. I mean, I was like doing two lifts a day, moderate doing two lifts a day, moderate doing two lifts a day, moderate intensity volume, I scaled the intensity intensity volume, I scaled the intensity intensity volume, I scaled the intensity volume over time, but with not training volume over time, but with not training volume over time, but with not training like an animal at that and I put on 20 like an animal at that and I put on 20 like an animal at that and I put on 20 something pounds of muscle in in 30 and something pounds of muscle in in 30 and something pounds of muscle in in 30 and change no other variables. I mean, change no other variables. I mean, change no other variables. I mean, obviously I'm eating because I was obviously I'm eating because I was obviously I'm eating because I was hungry and off of it. But I mean, it was hungry and off of it. But I mean, it was hungry and off of it. But I mean, it was a it was a cool it was a cool a it was a cool it was a cool a it was a cool it was a cool experiment. experiment. experiment. >> Yeah. I ran low dose red diet for 30 >> Yeah. I ran low dose red diet for 30 >> Yeah. I ran low dose red diet for 30 days just cuz I wouldn't like have an days just cuz I wouldn't like have an days just cuz I wouldn't like have an opinion without like I got to see what opinion without like I got to see what opinion without like I got to see what this actually feels like. It's it's this actually feels like. It's it's this actually feels like. It's it's crazy. crazy. crazy. >> It's crazy. Yeah, >> It's crazy. Yeah, >> It's crazy. Yeah, >> you don't even think about food. I have >> you don't even think about food. I have >> you don't even think about food. I have I have a client who's a surgeon who uses I have a client who's a surgeon who uses I have a client who's a surgeon who uses it as a it as a it as a >> um [clears throat] focus aid because >> um [clears throat] focus aid because >> um [clears throat] focus aid because he's like, you know, I didn't realize he's like, you know, I didn't realize he's like, you know, I didn't realize how much like talk I have in the back of how much like talk I have in the back of how much like talk I have in the back of my mind thinking about food or whatever. my mind thinking about food or whatever. my mind thinking about food or whatever. Like just goes away. Like just goes away. Like just goes away. >> So now in surgery, I can just be >> So now in surgery, I can just be >> So now in surgery, I can just be completely focused. It's like a completely focused. It's like a completely focused. It's like a neutropic. It's like it's an interesting neutropic. It's like it's an interesting neutropic. It's like it's an interesting insight. insight. insight. >> Yeah. There there there's studies right >> Yeah. There there there's studies right >> Yeah. There there there's studies right now on uh GLP like uh uh peptides. So now on uh GLP like uh uh peptides. So now on uh GLP like uh uh peptides. So this in the class of that for um uh for this in the class of that for um uh for this in the class of that for um uh for alcohol no for alcohol abuse uh for alcohol no for alcohol abuse uh for alcohol no for alcohol abuse uh for quitting. Yeah, quitting. Yeah, quitting. Yeah, >> it works. >> it works. >> it works. >> Yeah. Yeah. But and so it's really it's >> Yeah. Yeah. But and so it's really it's >> Yeah. Yeah. But and so it's really it's a very interesting uh space to look at a very interesting uh space to look at a very interesting uh space to look at right now. Pretty well. right now. Pretty well. right now. Pretty well. >> There's also been some uh feedback >> There's also been some uh feedback >> There's also been some uh feedback though that people are becoming I forget though that people are becoming I forget though that people are becoming I forget the name of the word exactly but it's the name of the word exactly but it's the name of the word exactly but it's they basically lose sexual desire as they basically lose sexual desire as they basically lose sexual desire as well. well. well. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. You seen that? >> Yeah. Oh yeah. You seen that? >> Yeah. Oh yeah. You seen that? >> Yeah, we talked about that. >> Yeah, we talked about that. >> Yeah, we talked about that. >> I've heard of that. So here's what I >> I've heard of that. So here's what I >> I've heard of that. So here's what I wanted. Here's what I would want. wanted. Here's what I would want. wanted. Here's what I would want. >> Passion in general sort of. Yeah. So >> Passion in general sort of. Yeah. So >> Passion in general sort of. Yeah. So here's what I would want to like parse here's what I would want to like parse here's what I would want to like parse out because I know it acts on the out because I know it acts on the out because I know it acts on the >> what however we perceive you know >> what however we perceive you know >> what however we perceive you know hedenistic value in our brain. So hedenistic value in our brain. So hedenistic value in our brain. So there's definitely that part of it there's definitely that part of it there's definitely that part of it >> but I want to know I want to separate uh >> but I want to know I want to separate uh >> but I want to know I want to separate uh people who are eating adequately and people who are eating adequately and people who are eating adequately and people are just way undereating cuz you people are just way undereating cuz you people are just way undereating cuz you just eat no calories you're going to just eat no calories you're going to just eat no calories you're going to lose your desire for sex you're not lose your desire for sex you're not lose your desire for sex you're not going to be as happy. That's the going to be as happy. That's the going to be as happy. That's the argument that's the argument that you argument that's the argument that you argument that's the argument that you have to have to have to >> that's the argument that I would make >> that's the argument that I would make >> that's the argument that I would make too s because I mean that this is this too s because I mean that this is this too s because I mean that this is this is what I mean by what I felt like I is what I mean by what I felt like I is what I mean by what I felt like I remember vividly many many days of being remember vividly many many days of being remember vividly many many days of being so depleted and coming home from just so depleted and coming home from just so depleted and coming home from just podcasting like we do anything labor podcasting like we do anything labor podcasting like we do anything labor right come home and like I know I need right come home and like I know I need right come home and like I know I need to get a lift in and all I got to do is to get a lift in and all I got to do is to get a lift in and all I got to do is get in the garage do a couple lifts and get in the garage do a couple lifts and get in the garage do a couple lifts and it's like but I also I want to play with it's like but I also I want to play with it's like but I also I want to play with my kid and I want to help my wife and it my kid and I want to help my wife and it my kid and I want to help my wife and it was just like I had to choose was just like I had to choose was just like I had to choose >> it might be one of those things where >> it might be one of those things where >> it might be one of those things where it's not the GLP but the fact that it's not the GLP but the fact that it's not the GLP but the fact that you're eating nothing. So, uh, but I'd you're eating nothing. So, uh, but I'd you're eating nothing. So, uh, but I'd like to see that. I'd like to see like to see that. I'd like to see like to see that. I'd like to see people, it's like, uh, when people do people, it's like, uh, when people do people, it's like, uh, when people do the keto flu, it's like, well, it's not the keto flu, it's like, well, it's not the keto flu, it's like, well, it's not keto flu. You just need sodium keto flu. You just need sodium keto flu. You just need sodium >> and then suddenly it goes away. Like, >> and then suddenly it goes away. Like, >> and then suddenly it goes away. Like, uh, I'd like to see when people actually uh, I'd like to see when people actually uh, I'd like to see when people actually eat adequately on a GLP. If you still eat adequately on a GLP. If you still eat adequately on a GLP. If you still see people who are like, I'm losing, you see people who are like, I'm losing, you see people who are like, I'm losing, you know, desire for, know, desire for, know, desire for, >> right, >> right, >> right, >> for things. I my my guess is that it's >> for things. I my my guess is that it's >> for things. I my my guess is that it's it's mostly that we actually uh trained it's mostly that we actually uh trained it's mostly that we actually uh trained a group 50 people on GLPs and um, one a group 50 people on GLPs and um, one a group 50 people on GLPs and um, one thing that was crazy was how many of thing that was crazy was how many of thing that was crazy was how many of them would plateau. them would plateau. them would plateau. >> Oh my god. cuz they they'd lose a lot of >> Oh my god. cuz they they'd lose a lot of >> Oh my god. cuz they they'd lose a lot of weight but their cl their calories got weight but their cl their calories got weight but their cl their calories got so low that it's like where you going to so low that it's like where you going to so low that it's like where you going to go you got 1,200 calories go you got 1,200 calories go you got 1,200 calories >> and you got 30 lbs to go >> and you got 30 lbs to go >> and you got 30 lbs to go >> man. So I had a client >> man. So I had a client >> man. So I had a client been with me for maybe two months. He been with me for maybe two months. He been with me for maybe two months. He messaged me 3 days ago. He goes hey just messaged me 3 days ago. He goes hey just messaged me 3 days ago. He goes hey just want to let you know that I've been want to let you know that I've been want to let you know that I've been ramping up my reatride dose. I'm now at ramping up my reatride dose. I'm now at ramping up my reatride dose. I'm now at 10 milligrams twice a week. And I was 10 milligrams twice a week. And I was 10 milligrams twice a week. And I was like whoa. And he's like but I'm still like whoa. And he's like but I'm still like whoa. And he's like but I'm still getting some more cravings. Can I go getting some more cravings. Can I go getting some more cravings. Can I go higher? And I was like whoa man that's higher? And I was like whoa man that's higher? And I was like whoa man that's crazy. Yeah. crazy. Yeah. crazy. Yeah. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> like people are using it like this guy >> like people are using it like this guy >> like people are using it like this guy specifically is using it to like specifically is using it to like specifically is using it to like eradicate any thought of food. I was eradicate any thought of food. I was eradicate any thought of food. I was like, man, what about just like you know like, man, what about just like you know like, man, what about just like you know he won't eat he'll eat once a day maybe he won't eat he'll eat once a day maybe he won't eat he'll eat once a day maybe and like it's crazy how people are just and like it's crazy how people are just and like it's crazy how people are just um sort of stuck in this rut or this um sort of stuck in this rut or this um sort of stuck in this rut or this this belief system of like this is going this belief system of like this is going this belief system of like this is going to solve all my problems and if it's not to solve all my problems and if it's not to solve all my problems and if it's not doing it adequately I need to take more doing it adequately I need to take more doing it adequately I need to take more like hold on man that's not how this like hold on man that's not how this like hold on man that's not how this stuff how I would categorize this stuff stuff how I would categorize this stuff stuff how I would categorize this stuff for sure. Oh, the other side too. I I for sure. Oh, the other side too. I I for sure. Oh, the other side too. I I share this on the podcast with the guys. share this on the podcast with the guys. share this on the podcast with the guys. So, I have some people in in close to me So, I have some people in in close to me So, I have some people in in close to me that are taking it too. Now, even though that are taking it too. Now, even though that are taking it too. Now, even though I took my trainer brain out of my whole I took my trainer brain out of my whole I took my trainer brain out of my whole experiment, I what I didn't take an experiment, I what I didn't take an experiment, I what I didn't take an account for is just I've still got years account for is just I've still got years account for is just I've still got years of of good healthy behaviors around of of good healthy behaviors around of of good healthy behaviors around food, exercise, and so when I would food, exercise, and so when I would food, exercise, and so when I would taste something that wasn't healthy for taste something that wasn't healthy for taste something that wasn't healthy for me, I would like it was bland. I didn't me, I would like it was bland. I didn't me, I would like it was bland. I didn't like it. And I realized I recognized like it. And I realized I recognized like it. And I realized I recognized that man, I'm eating so low that a a that man, I'm eating so low that a a that man, I'm eating so low that a a nutritious plate sounded good to me. And nutritious plate sounded good to me. And nutritious plate sounded good to me. And so I craved actually the the better so I craved actually the the better so I craved actually the the better foods. And I and I and I so even though foods. And I and I and I so even though foods. And I and I and I so even though I wasn't doing anything going my way, I I wasn't doing anything going my way, I I wasn't doing anything going my way, I still actually preferred chicken and still actually preferred chicken and still actually preferred chicken and rice and like real like healthy stuff. rice and like real like healthy stuff. rice and like real like healthy stuff. When I see other people who don't have When I see other people who don't have When I see other people who don't have that connection at all, I literally that connection at all, I literally that connection at all, I literally >> they're just eating less. >> they're just eating less. >> they're just eating less. >> Yeah. They're eating twice a day, but >> Yeah. They're eating twice a day, but >> Yeah. They're eating twice a day, but it's fire Cheetos and then they're on it's fire Cheetos and then they're on it's fire Cheetos and then they're on their toilet just [ __ ] up and not their toilet just [ __ ] up and not their toilet just [ __ ] up and not connecting the dots. They're like, you connecting the dots. They're like, you connecting the dots. They're like, you know, that that's what's doing that, know, that that's what's doing that, know, that that's what's doing that, right? right? right? >> They don't get it. >> They don't get it. >> They don't get it. >> They still don't. And so, and they're >> They still don't. And so, and they're >> They still don't. And so, and they're losing weight because they're only losing weight because they're only losing weight because they're only eating, you know, 800 calories of Fire eating, you know, 800 calories of Fire eating, you know, 800 calories of Fire Cheetos, Cheetos, Cheetos, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And they're paying for it on the toilet >> And they're paying for it on the toilet >> And they're paying for it on the toilet all day long and then still going back all day long and then still going back all day long and then still going back to it. It's like, whoa, that's crazy to it. It's like, whoa, that's crazy to it. It's like, whoa, that's crazy that this thing is working. It's keeping that this thing is working. It's keeping that this thing is working. It's keeping them from eating hardly anything. But them from eating hardly anything. But them from eating hardly anything. But even the signal of you are effed up even the signal of you are effed up even the signal of you are effed up every time you do that is not enough. every time you do that is not enough. every time you do that is not enough. >> It's a reward, right? I'm doing good. >> It's a reward, right? I'm doing good. >> It's a reward, right? I'm doing good. So, I'm going to reward reward myself So, I'm going to reward reward myself So, I'm going to reward reward myself with Cheetos. with Cheetos. with Cheetos. >> And while Lee I was asking him cuz I >> And while Lee I was asking him cuz I >> And while Lee I was asking him cuz I remember I'm like cuz I remember also remember I'm like cuz I remember also remember I'm like cuz I remember also doing this ice cream has always been my doing this ice cream has always been my doing this ice cream has always been my uh kryptonite and uh I had some in the uh kryptonite and uh I had some in the uh kryptonite and uh I had some in the freezer doing the GLP one and Katrina freezer doing the GLP one and Katrina freezer doing the GLP one and Katrina would be asking me. She's like um do you would be asking me. She's like um do you would be asking me. She's like um do you not even want I'm like no I have no not even want I'm like no I have no not even want I'm like no I have no desire for it. And she's like have you desire for it. And she's like have you desire for it. And she's like have you tried it? I'm like no I haven't because tried it? I'm like no I haven't because tried it? I'm like no I haven't because I haven't wanted it. She's like well I I haven't wanted it. She's like well I I haven't wanted it. She's like well I wonder if you tried it if you'd feel wonder if you tried it if you'd feel wonder if you tried it if you'd feel different. I'm like okay you know I'll different. I'm like okay you know I'll different. I'm like okay you know I'll try it one day. So I decided to go in try it one day. So I decided to go in try it one day. So I decided to go in there and I took a bite of it. I'm like, there and I took a bite of it. I'm like, there and I took a bite of it. I'm like, "Wow, that's the first time in my life I "Wow, that's the first time in my life I "Wow, that's the first time in my life I ever took a bite of ice cream and I ever took a bite of ice cream and I ever took a bite of ice cream and I didn't desire it didn't taste good and I didn't desire it didn't taste good and I didn't desire it didn't taste good and I had no desire for another bite." had no desire for another bite." had no desire for another bite." >> So, what's and I asked this person the >> So, what's and I asked this person the >> So, what's and I asked this person the same thing. I'm like, "Does it does it same thing. I'm like, "Does it does it same thing. I'm like, "Does it does it taste good to you when you have?" And taste good to you when you have?" And taste good to you when you have?" And she's like, "No." And I'm like, "And she's like, "No." And I'm like, "And she's like, "No." And I'm like, "And you're still doing it." So, there's not you're still doing it." So, there's not you're still doing it." So, there's not even the reward system of this tastes even the reward system of this tastes even the reward system of this tastes good. It's more that they just have a good. It's more that they just have a good. It's more that they just have a habit of that [ __ ] habit of that [ __ ] habit of that [ __ ] >> that I still gravitate towards that even >> that I still gravitate towards that even >> that I still gravitate towards that even though it doesn't have those it's not though it doesn't have those it's not though it doesn't have those it's not hitting those pleasure signals the same hitting those pleasure signals the same hitting those pleasure signals the same way. way. way. >> I think what we're going to do with JLP1 >> I think what we're going to do with JLP1 >> I think what we're going to do with JLP1 just cuz people are just the way that just cuz people are just the way that just cuz people are just the way that they're going to be used. They're just they're going to be used. They're just they're going to be used. They're just going to take them. Uh, and I think what going to take them. Uh, and I think what going to take them. Uh, and I think what we're gonna do is come out of uh, an we're gonna do is come out of uh, an we're gonna do is come out of uh, an obesity epidemic and just go face first obesity epidemic and just go face first obesity epidemic and just go face first into a frailty epidemic. That's what I into a frailty epidemic. That's what I into a frailty epidemic. That's what I think is gonna happen think is gonna happen think is gonna happen >> because you're seeing people reporting >> because you're seeing people reporting >> because you're seeing people reporting issues. issues. issues. >> Yeah. Cuz you're starting to see people >> Yeah. Cuz you're starting to see people >> Yeah. Cuz you're starting to see people reporting osteopenia, you know, because reporting osteopenia, you know, because reporting osteopenia, you know, because they're just they're not strength they're just they're not strength they're just they're not strength training, they're not eating enough, training, they're not eating enough, training, they're not eating enough, their protein intake's low, their protein intake's low, their protein intake's low, >> and they're just they're just losing >> and they're just they're just losing >> and they're just they're just losing weight. weight. weight. >> Uh, and they didn't have uh and they're >> Uh, and they didn't have uh and they're >> Uh, and they didn't have uh and they're losing muscle and they didn't have a lot losing muscle and they didn't have a lot losing muscle and they didn't have a lot of muscle to lose to begin with. And so of muscle to lose to begin with. And so of muscle to lose to begin with. And so >> the big thing that I'm seeing is uh >> the big thing that I'm seeing is uh >> the big thing that I'm seeing is uh digestive issues like people's digestive issues like people's digestive issues like people's microbiome being dysfunctional like like microbiome being dysfunctional like like microbiome being dysfunctional like like >> motility slows way down >> motility slows way down >> motility slows way down >> way down right so like that's going to >> way down right so like that's going to >> way down right so like that's going to be a huge problem that's going to lead be a huge problem that's going to lead be a huge problem that's going to lead to like a whole slew of whether it be to like a whole slew of whether it be to like a whole slew of whether it be small intestinal bio overgrowth whether small intestinal bio overgrowth whether small intestinal bio overgrowth whether it be autoimmunity like it's going to be it be autoimmunity like it's going to be it be autoimmunity like it's going to be some issues coming out of digestive some issues coming out of digestive some issues coming out of digestive tracts tracts tracts >> well and it and it ties back to what I >> well and it and it ties back to what I >> well and it and it ties back to what I so part of by slowing it down like that so part of by slowing it down like that so part of by slowing it down like that those foods like fire cheaters don't those foods like fire cheaters don't those foods like fire cheaters don't digest well and they then they get that digest well and they then they get that digest well and they then they get that feedback what I found quickly was like feedback what I found quickly was like feedback what I found quickly was like man if when I was eating good food. I man if when I was eating good food. I man if when I was eating good food. I didn't have any of that issue. Soon as I didn't have any of that issue. Soon as I didn't have any of that issue. Soon as I ate out of bounds, like oh just back to ate out of bounds, like oh just back to ate out of bounds, like oh just back to >> the other thing a lot of people aren't >> the other thing a lot of people aren't >> the other thing a lot of people aren't talking about either is the uh rise in talking about either is the uh rise in talking about either is the uh rise in um resting heart rate. Uh that um resting heart rate. Uh that um resting heart rate. Uh that >> 25% I saw was that was a ZIC which is >> 25% I saw was that was a ZIC which is >> 25% I saw was that was a ZIC which is extremely high. extremely high. extremely high. >> Yeah. And it's higher with redatide it >> Yeah. And it's higher with redatide it >> Yeah. And it's higher with redatide it looks like. looks like. looks like. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. Because of the the triple agonism. >> Yeah. Because of the the triple agonism. >> Yeah. Because of the the triple agonism. And so what some people are reporting is And so what some people are reporting is And so what some people are reporting is insomnia, insomnia, insomnia, >> elevated heart rate, a little bit of >> elevated heart rate, a little bit of >> elevated heart rate, a little bit of anxiety uh from it. anxiety uh from it. anxiety uh from it. >> Uh so that'll be interesting as more >> Uh so that'll be interesting as more >> Uh so that'll be interesting as more people use it to see what's going on. people use it to see what's going on. people use it to see what's going on. But it's you could predictably based on But it's you could predictably based on But it's you could predictably based on the data um get a rise in resting heart the data um get a rise in resting heart the data um get a rise in resting heart rate from just from going on one. rate from just from going on one. rate from just from going on one. >> Yeah, I saw that in OSI. I haven't seen >> Yeah, I saw that in OSI. I haven't seen >> Yeah, I saw that in OSI. I haven't seen in red or true but to be honest I in red or true but to be honest I in red or true but to be honest I haven't been looking so I'll I'll look haven't been looking so I'll I'll look haven't been looking so I'll I'll look more closely. more closely. more closely. >> Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Fascinating stuff. >> Well yeah we'll see what happens. >> Well yeah we'll see what happens. >> Well yeah we'll see what happens. >> Have you looked at genetic >> Have you looked at genetic >> Have you looked at genetic considerations whether it be around GLPS considerations whether it be around GLPS considerations whether it be around GLPS or specifically how and this is or specifically how and this is or specifically how and this is interesting speaking about your friend interesting speaking about your friend interesting speaking about your friend with the with the with the >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> with the Cheetos. Um there's there's a >> with the Cheetos. Um there's there's a >> with the Cheetos. Um there's there's a lot of different genetic considerations lot of different genetic considerations lot of different genetic considerations on how people perceive food at level of on how people perceive food at level of on how people perceive food at level of the brain, the level of the pallet, the the brain, the level of the pallet, the the brain, the level of the pallet, the level of the digestive tract. There's a level of the digestive tract. There's a level of the digestive tract. There's a whole different level number of levels whole different level number of levels whole different level number of levels that so if you run somebody's genetic that so if you run somebody's genetic that so if you run somebody's genetic panel, you can see how they're going to panel, you can see how they're going to panel, you can see how they're going to respond to food. They can you can see respond to food. They can you can see respond to food. They can you can see levels of impulsivity. You can see uh levels of impulsivity. You can see uh levels of impulsivity. You can see uh they may have um you know low leptin they may have um you know low leptin they may have um you know low leptin levels. You can see very specific levels. You can see very specific levels. You can see very specific things. And so I think that's going to things. And so I think that's going to things. And so I think that's going to be the next level of of um you know be the next level of of um you know be the next level of of um you know precision when it comes to these GLPS. precision when it comes to these GLPS. precision when it comes to these GLPS. you're going to start looking at your you're going to start looking at your you're going to start looking at your genes saying like, "Hey, this is the genes saying like, "Hey, this is the genes saying like, "Hey, this is the exact mechanism by which you're going to exact mechanism by which you're going to exact mechanism by which you're going to fail." So, if I look at somebody's fail." So, if I look at somebody's fail." So, if I look at somebody's genetic profile, I can see um you know, genetic profile, I can see um you know, genetic profile, I can see um you know, maybe this person has a lower sensitive maybe this person has a lower sensitive maybe this person has a lower sensitive pallet to fats. So, when when they eat pallet to fats. So, when when they eat pallet to fats. So, when when they eat cashews or peanut butter, they're going cashews or peanut butter, they're going cashews or peanut butter, they're going to want to eat more of it because you to want to eat more of it because you to want to eat more of it because you know, we have a different level of of know, we have a different level of of know, we have a different level of of satiation in the mouth. Some people can satiation in the mouth. Some people can satiation in the mouth. Some people can eat a little bit and they're good. Some eat a little bit and they're good. Some eat a little bit and they're good. Some people are going to eat all of it. And people are going to eat all of it. And people are going to eat all of it. And you can literally see the genes for you can literally see the genes for you can literally see the genes for that. that. that. >> So, like, okay. And then you ask the >> So, like, okay. And then you ask the >> So, like, okay. And then you ask the question like, hey, do you have a question like, hey, do you have a question like, hey, do you have a tendency to overeat when you eat fats? tendency to overeat when you eat fats? tendency to overeat when you eat fats? Yes, I do. Great. We can see that happen Yes, I do. Great. We can see that happen Yes, I do. Great. We can see that happen genetically and we can say like, okay, genetically and we can say like, okay, genetically and we can say like, okay, this is where this person's most likely this is where this person's most likely this is where this person's most likely to break down. Yeah, that's the next to break down. Yeah, that's the next to break down. Yeah, that's the next level of precision that's we're not far level of precision that's we're not far level of precision that's we're not far off. Like I think we can get a pretty off. Like I think we can get a pretty off. Like I think we can get a pretty good insight. good insight. good insight. >> I mean, imagine that for coaching, how >> I mean, imagine that for coaching, how >> I mean, imagine that for coaching, how cool that would be just to know to have cool that would be just to know to have cool that would be just to know to have that that insight. that that insight. that that insight. >> So, we do that now that we shifted to >> So, we do that now that we shifted to >> So, we do that now that we shifted to coaching about 18 maybe 24 months ago coaching about 18 maybe 24 months ago coaching about 18 maybe 24 months ago now. So, we work with a team of now. So, we work with a team of now. So, we work with a team of geneticists and everyone the the geneticists and everyone the the geneticists and everyone the the insights are remarkable because it just insights are remarkable because it just insights are remarkable because it just allows you to be so much more effective. allows you to be so much more effective. allows you to be so much more effective. >> Yeah. No, of course. I mean, we always >> Yeah. No, of course. I mean, we always >> Yeah. No, of course. I mean, we always we tell we teach our trainers this. Uh, we tell we teach our trainers this. Uh, we tell we teach our trainers this. Uh, one of the keys of being a great coach one of the keys of being a great coach one of the keys of being a great coach and trainer is the ability to forecast and trainer is the ability to forecast and trainer is the ability to forecast for your client. for your client. for your client. >> You know, can you tell them the hurdles >> You know, can you tell them the hurdles >> You know, can you tell them the hurdles and challenges that they're going to and challenges that they're going to and challenges that they're going to have before they have it? have before they have it? have before they have it? >> Huge difference versus >> Huge difference versus >> Huge difference versus >> explain their challenges they've been >> explain their challenges they've been >> explain their challenges they've been having without them telling you. having without them telling you. having without them telling you. >> Right. Right. Because that I mean >> Right. Right. Because that I mean >> Right. Right. Because that I mean otherwise you just start training this otherwise you just start training this otherwise you just start training this person then they have those things and person then they have those things and person then they have those things and then it's like oh they're blaming the then it's like oh they're blaming the then it's like oh they're blaming the not lack of results or the struggles not lack of results or the struggles not lack of results or the struggles they're having on you as it's like they're having on you as it's like they're having on you as it's like whereas if I tell my client that hey whereas if I tell my client that hey whereas if I tell my client that hey listen this is what's going to happen listen this is what's going to happen listen this is what's going to happen >> week four you're going to feel like this >> week four you're going to feel like this >> week four you're going to feel like this >> yeah we're going to I'm going to >> yeah we're going to I'm going to >> yeah we're going to I'm going to increase calories initially and you're increase calories initially and you're increase calories initially and you're going to feel this way you're going to going to feel this way you're going to going to feel this way you're going to be holding a little bit more water it's be holding a little bit more water it's be holding a little bit more water it's going to scale is going to go up that's going to scale is going to go up that's going to scale is going to go up that's all normal and then you're going to see all normal and then you're going to see all normal and then you're going to see so if you can tell them what's going to so if you can tell them what's going to so if you can tell them what's going to happen before it happens your ability to happen before it happens your ability to happen before it happens your ability to coach them through that process you're coach them through that process you're coach them through that process you're >> Did I actually allow you to identify by >> Did I actually allow you to identify by >> Did I actually allow you to identify by the constraint. So like everyone, you the constraint. So like everyone, you the constraint. So like everyone, you know, Sal's going to diet, you're going know, Sal's going to diet, you're going know, Sal's going to diet, you're going to diet, Justin's going to die, I'm to diet, Justin's going to die, I'm to diet, Justin's going to die, I'm going to diet. We're going to feel, going to diet. We're going to feel, going to diet. We're going to feel, we're going to feel a different we're going to feel a different we're going to feel a different constraint along the way, right? constraint along the way, right? constraint along the way, right? Constraint may be I'm hungry. Constraint Constraint may be I'm hungry. Constraint Constraint may be I'm hungry. Constraint may be I don't want to eat. Maybe the may be I don't want to eat. Maybe the may be I don't want to eat. Maybe the constraint is I have cravings. And and constraint is I have cravings. And and constraint is I have cravings. And and there's a wide different array of how we there's a wide different array of how we there's a wide different array of how we would be constrained in a diet or or any would be constrained in a diet or or any would be constrained in a diet or or any type of approach to fitness plan. So type of approach to fitness plan. So type of approach to fitness plan. So looking at your genes, I can literally looking at your genes, I can literally looking at your genes, I can literally look at everyone's genes and go, this is look at everyone's genes and go, this is look at everyone's genes and go, this is going to be your constraint. This is going to be your constraint. This is going to be your constraint. This is where you're going to struggle. And if where you're going to struggle. And if where you're going to struggle. And if we can identify in advance, we can also we can identify in advance, we can also we can identify in advance, we can also change it. We can also plan for it. change it. We can also plan for it. change it. We can also plan for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, like, oh, I know exactly where >> So, like, oh, I know exactly where >> So, like, oh, I know exactly where Adam's going to struggle, right? And so, Adam's going to struggle, right? And so, Adam's going to struggle, right? And so, some people are going to be prone to some people are going to be prone to some people are going to be prone to anxiety. Some people are going to have anxiety. Some people are going to have anxiety. Some people are going to have high level baseline adrenaline, so high level baseline adrenaline, so high level baseline adrenaline, so they're going to be fidgety, and they're they're going to be fidgety, and they're they're going to be fidgety, and they're going to want they're going to want to going to want they're going to want to going to want they're going to want to cheat on their diet to compensate for cheat on their diet to compensate for cheat on their diet to compensate for the adrenaline. We can literally see so the adrenaline. We can literally see so the adrenaline. We can literally see so much at the level of the jeans. It's much at the level of the jeans. It's much at the level of the jeans. It's very cool. Very, very cool. very cool. Very, very cool. very cool. Very, very cool. >> Very interesting. It's always a good >> Very interesting. It's always a good >> Very interesting. It's always a good time having you on the show, dude. time having you on the show, dude. time having you on the show, dude. >> It's [clears throat] always a lot of >> It's [clears throat] always a lot of >> It's [clears throat] always a lot of fun, my friend. fun, my friend. fun, my friend. >> It's been too long. >> It's been too long. >> It's been too long. >> Yeah. It's good to see you. We hope to >> Yeah. It's good to see you. We hope to >> Yeah. It's good to see you. We hope to have Yeah, we got to do this again soon. have Yeah, we got to do this again soon. have Yeah, we got to do this again soon. Not wait 8 years. Not wait 8 years. Not wait 8 years. >> Yeah. Going to drag you guys down to >> Yeah. Going to drag you guys down to >> Yeah. Going to drag you guys down to Tampa. Tampa. Tampa. >> Yeah, I know. I think >> Yeah, I know. I think >> Yeah, I know. I think >> you're so far. That's the thing. >> you're so far. That's the thing. >> you're so far. That's the thing. >> I know it's shorter when you come over >> I know it's shorter when you come over >> I know it's shorter when you come over here. [laughter] here. [laughter] here. [laughter] >> I I' I'd want to come train at your gym, >> I I' I'd want to come train at your gym, >> I I' I'd want to come train at your gym, dude. That was one of my favorite gyms dude. That was one of my favorite gyms dude. That was one of my favorite gyms I'd ever trained in. I thought it was I'd ever trained in. I thought it was I'd ever trained in. I thought it was just one of the best ones. And I just one of the best ones. And I just one of the best ones. And I >> If you want to put on some muscle, you >> If you want to put on some muscle, you >> If you want to put on some muscle, you let me know. [laughter] let me know. [laughter] let me know. [laughter] >> Don't encourage this guy, dude. I'll be >> Don't encourage this guy, dude. I'll be >> Don't encourage this guy, dude. I'll be there. Don't encourage this guy. there. Don't encourage this guy. there. Don't encourage this guy. >> Tell you what, what why are you doing >> Tell you what, what why are you doing >> Tell you what, what why are you doing this? What's what's going with you? this? What's what's going with you? this? What's what's going with you? What's your goal? What's What's your goal? What's What's your goal? What's >> Nothing. Just >> Nothing. Just >> Nothing. Just >> Oh, no. It's an addiction, dog. >> Oh, no. It's an addiction, dog. >> Oh, no. It's an addiction, dog. >> No, it's always been of course it is. >> No, it's always been of course it is. >> No, it's always been of course it is. Yeah, it's always been. Yeah, it's always been. Yeah, it's always been. >> Yeah. No, he he he openly admits it. >> Yeah. No, he he he openly admits it. >> Yeah. No, he he he openly admits it. >> No, there were two there were two big >> No, there were two there were two big >> No, there were two there were two big big things that uh that made a big big things that uh that made a big big things that uh that made a big impact on. One of them which was big was impact on. One of them which was big was impact on. One of them which was big was I finally figured out what was wrong I finally figured out what was wrong I finally figured out what was wrong with my gut health. I finally fixed I with my gut health. I finally fixed I with my gut health. I finally fixed I had struggled with gut health for so had struggled with gut health for so had struggled with gut health for so long and done so many things and it was long and done so many things and it was long and done so many things and it was just there was a certain amount of food just there was a certain amount of food just there was a certain amount of food I could eat and then I I'd end up I could eat and then I I'd end up I could eat and then I I'd end up getting problems and it was like I don't getting problems and it was like I don't getting problems and it was like I don't know know know >> uh maybe uh 10 years of just on and off >> uh maybe uh 10 years of just on and off >> uh maybe uh 10 years of just on and off on and off and and the way that I would on and off and and the way that I would on and off and and the way that I would solve it when it get real bad is I I'd solve it when it get real bad is I I'd solve it when it get real bad is I I'd have to fast and then I'd have to do all have to fast and then I'd have to do all have to fast and then I'd have to do all these other things and so it was just these other things and so it was just these other things and so it was just very limited by it. You'll never believe very limited by it. You'll never believe very limited by it. You'll never believe what it was. cuz I had I had to treat what it was. cuz I had I had to treat what it was. cuz I had I had to treat myself for parasites. And once I did the myself for parasites. And once I did the myself for parasites. And once I did the treatment for parasites, uh it fixed uh treatment for parasites, uh it fixed uh treatment for parasites, uh it fixed uh my gut issues. So when that got better, my gut issues. So when that got better, my gut issues. So when that got better, um I mean I was able to absorb what I um I mean I was able to absorb what I um I mean I was able to absorb what I could eat and I could eat normally. That could eat and I could eat normally. That could eat and I could eat normally. That made a huge difference. Um and then made a huge difference. Um and then made a huge difference. Um and then hormone replacement therapy on top of it hormone replacement therapy on top of it hormone replacement therapy on top of it made a big difference. We got tested, made a big difference. We got tested, made a big difference. We got tested, somebody offered to to to test us for somebody offered to to to test us for somebody offered to to to test us for free cuz they wanted to work with us. My free cuz they wanted to work with us. My free cuz they wanted to work with us. My testosterone came back in the floor and testosterone came back in the floor and testosterone came back in the floor and I didn't know it was in the floor. Um I didn't know it was in the floor. Um I didn't know it was in the floor. Um but once I got that up, it was great. but once I got that up, it was great. but once I got that up, it was great. That's right. You weren't you weren't on That's right. You weren't you weren't on That's right. You weren't you weren't on hormone therapy when we all first met hormone therapy when we all first met hormone therapy when we all first met him, huh? him, huh? him, huh? >> No. No. I had gut health issues and >> No. No. I had gut health issues and >> No. No. I had gut health issues and maybe low testosterone back then. I had maybe low testosterone back then. I had maybe low testosterone back then. I had no idea. no idea. no idea. >> Um, so hormone therapy fixed my gut and >> Um, so hormone therapy fixed my gut and >> Um, so hormone therapy fixed my gut and then anadrol. Those are the three things then anadrol. Those are the three things then anadrol. Those are the three things that [laughter] that [laughter] that [laughter] >> 600 milligrams of train a week. >> 600 milligrams of train a week. >> 600 milligrams of train a week. >> That's it. That's it. It made a big I >> That's it. That's it. It made a big I >> That's it. That's it. It made a big I made a huge difference. The gut health made a huge difference. The gut health made a huge difference. The gut health thing alone probably 15 pounds of muscle thing alone probably 15 pounds of muscle thing alone probably 15 pounds of muscle >> just for my gut health alone. It was >> just for my gut health alone. It was >> just for my gut health alone. It was such a big deal. That's it. such a big deal. That's it. such a big deal. That's it. >> And where'd you get parasites? >> And where'd you get parasites? >> And where'd you get parasites? >> Huh? >> Huh? >> Huh? >> Did you like traveling? >> Did you like traveling? >> Did you like traveling? >> Who knows, dude? I you know I think you >> Who knows, dude? I you know I think you >> Who knows, dude? I you know I think you know that's a great topic. I think uh I know that's a great topic. I think uh I know that's a great topic. I think uh I don't think it's obviously it's not don't think it's obviously it's not don't think it's obviously it's not super common in the sense that uh you're super common in the sense that uh you're super common in the sense that uh you're not going to eat not going to eat not going to eat >> I thought it is if you eat sushi on a >> I thought it is if you eat sushi on a >> I thought it is if you eat sushi on a regular basis. regular basis. regular basis. >> Well what I was going to say is look you >> Well what I was going to say is look you >> Well what I was going to say is look you live in a modern society uh and you've live in a modern society uh and you've live in a modern society uh and you've been eating raw vegetables or sushi for been eating raw vegetables or sushi for been eating raw vegetables or sushi for 20 years. The odds are you've probably 20 years. The odds are you've probably 20 years. The odds are you've probably got a parasite at some point. So I don't got a parasite at some point. So I don't got a parasite at some point. So I don't think you need to do a I don't think you think you need to do a I don't think you think you need to do a I don't think you need to treat yourself for parasites need to treat yourself for parasites need to treat yourself for parasites every six months or every year. But I every six months or every year. But I every six months or every year. But I think the average person uh has uh think the average person uh has uh think the average person uh has uh encountered parasites at some point. encountered parasites at some point. encountered parasites at some point. >> Yeah, of course. >> Yeah, of course. >> Yeah, of course. >> And so I tested or you just took the >> And so I tested or you just took the >> And so I tested or you just took the protocol and you felt better. protocol and you felt better. protocol and you felt better. >> So my wife got tested. She had a >> So my wife got tested. She had a >> So my wife got tested. She had a parasite and they're like, "Well, you parasite and they're like, "Well, you parasite and they're like, "Well, you guys are married so you probably got the guys are married so you probably got the guys are married so you probably got the parasite, too." So I went on a protocol parasite, too." So I went on a protocol parasite, too." So I went on a protocol with her and it was like that was like with her and it was like that was like with her and it was like that was like miraculous. It was crazy. There was a miraculous. It was crazy. There was a miraculous. It was crazy. There was a period of healing afterwards. So it period of healing afterwards. So it period of healing afterwards. So it wasn't like like right away I'm better, wasn't like like right away I'm better, wasn't like like right away I'm better, but I could tell I was a lot better. And but I could tell I was a lot better. And but I could tell I was a lot better. And then the months afterwards it was like, then the months afterwards it was like, then the months afterwards it was like, "Oh man, uh huge difference." And that "Oh man, uh huge difference." And that "Oh man, uh huge difference." And that that easily account for 13 to 15 pounds that easily account for 13 to 15 pounds that easily account for 13 to 15 pounds of muscle. No problem. of muscle. No problem. of muscle. No problem. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Just from that. Yeah. >> Just from that. Yeah. >> Just from that. Yeah. >> Now he eats eight times a day and trains >> Now he eats eight times a day and trains >> Now he eats eight times a day and trains like crazy. No, my training is not like crazy. No, my training is not like crazy. No, my training is not crazy. crazy. crazy. >> He's got the bodybuilder mindset, man. >> He's got the bodybuilder mindset, man. >> He's got the bodybuilder mindset, man. >> But you don't do Is it specifically goal >> But you don't do Is it specifically goal >> But you don't do Is it specifically goal goal oriented or you just sort of doing goal oriented or you just sort of doing goal oriented or you just sort of doing it to have fun? it to have fun? it to have fun? >> Uh I love it. I love it. But my I'm >> Uh I love it. I love it. But my I'm >> Uh I love it. I love it. But my I'm mental. So does it matter what direction mental. So does it matter what direction mental. So does it matter what direction I'm going? It's going to get mental I'm going? It's going to get mental I'm going? It's going to get mental sometimes. So if I'm trying to get big, sometimes. So if I'm trying to get big, sometimes. So if I'm trying to get big, I'm going to get obsessed. If I'm trying I'm going to get obsessed. If I'm trying I'm going to get obsessed. If I'm trying to get shredded, I'm going get obsessed. to get shredded, I'm going get obsessed. to get shredded, I'm going get obsessed. If I'm trying to get strong, I'll get If I'm trying to get strong, I'll get If I'm trying to get strong, I'll get obsessed. So, I think I'll toggle obsessed. So, I think I'll toggle obsessed. So, I think I'll toggle between the three of those. Keep myself between the three of those. Keep myself between the three of those. Keep myself in check a little bit. in check a little bit. in check a little bit. >> Why not? [laughter] >> Why not? [laughter] >> Why not? [laughter] >> For the rest of your life, you know what >> For the rest of your life, you know what >> For the rest of your life, you know what I mean? I mean? I mean? >> So, that's And I have free access have >> So, that's And I have free access have >> So, that's And I have free access have access to peptides all day long. So, you access to peptides all day long. So, you access to peptides all day long. So, you know, I'm the I'm the worst guy to have know, I'm the I'm the worst guy to have know, I'm the I'm the worst guy to have access. access. access. >> I mean, he's the best and the worst. So, >> I mean, he's the best and the worst. So, >> I mean, he's the best and the worst. So, he's he's the best and the worst cuz he's he's the best and the worst cuz he's he's the best and the worst cuz he's the he's our guinea pig. He's he's the he's our guinea pig. He's he's the he's our guinea pig. He's >> What are you guys using for peptides? >> What are you guys using for peptides? >> What are you guys using for peptides? >> He's used everything. >> He's used everything. >> He's used everything. >> What am I right now? What am I using? >> What am I right now? What am I using? >> What am I right now? What am I using? >> Ask what he has not used. What have you >> Ask what he has not used. What have you >> Ask what he has not used. What have you not used? not used? not used? >> I've tried them all. I've tried most of >> I've tried them all. I've tried most of >> I've tried them all. I've tried most of them. But I I love BPC. them. But I I love BPC. them. But I I love BPC. >> I saw your name on the seeds website. I >> I saw your name on the seeds website. I >> I saw your name on the seeds website. I was like, "Oh, fellow. I'm gonna be was like, "Oh, fellow. I'm gonna be was like, "Oh, fellow. I'm gonna be speaking there. I'm going to be speaking there. I'm going to be speaking there. I'm going to be speaking. [clears throat] Excuse me. Are speaking. [clears throat] Excuse me. Are speaking. [clears throat] Excuse me. Are you gonna be going? you gonna be going? you gonna be going? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I'll be speaking there. Um my I love BPC >> I'll be speaking there. Um my I love BPC >> I'll be speaking there. Um my I love BPC and thyus and beta. Love those. Combine and thyus and beta. Love those. Combine and thyus and beta. Love those. Combine those together those together those together >> just for like inflammation, >> just for like inflammation, >> just for like inflammation, >> you know. I get a different quality the >> you know. I get a different quality the >> you know. I get a different quality the way my muscles look. I recover better. way my muscles look. I recover better. way my muscles look. I recover better. Maybe the upregulation of growth hormone Maybe the upregulation of growth hormone Maybe the upregulation of growth hormone receptors. I'm not sure. receptors. I'm not sure. receptors. I'm not sure. >> Are you taking growth hormone? Are you >> Are you taking growth hormone? Are you >> Are you taking growth hormone? Are you taking taking taking >> No, no, no. I'm on all the all the >> No, no, no. I'm on all the all the >> No, no, no. I'm on all the all the hormone optimization. So, growth hormone optimization. So, growth hormone optimization. So, growth hormone, testosterone, thyroid. hormone, testosterone, thyroid. hormone, testosterone, thyroid. >> Uh testosterone is uh the max that >> Uh testosterone is uh the max that >> Uh testosterone is uh the max that they'll allow me to take, which is 200. they'll allow me to take, which is 200. they'll allow me to take, which is 200. Uh growth hormone is one to two IUs a Uh growth hormone is one to two IUs a Uh growth hormone is one to two IUs a day. Thyroid 120 milligram 120 of the day. Thyroid 120 milligram 120 of the day. Thyroid 120 milligram 120 of the armor uh every morning. So it's like the armor uh every morning. So it's like the armor uh every morning. So it's like the whatever you know the optimization. whatever you know the optimization. whatever you know the optimization. >> Do you guys ever have Dr. Terry Herto on >> Do you guys ever have Dr. Terry Herto on >> Do you guys ever have Dr. Terry Herto on the podcast? the podcast? the podcast? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> So he's the head of International >> So he's the head of International >> So he's the head of International Hormone Society. He's been on my show. Hormone Society. He's been on my show. Hormone Society. He's been on my show. He's he's a great authority on hormones. He's he's a great authority on hormones. He's he's a great authority on hormones. He's the same. He's in his mid60s and he He's the same. He's in his mid60s and he He's the same. He's in his mid60s and he says every man should be taking says every man should be taking says every man should be taking testosterone, growth hormone, thyroid at testosterone, growth hormone, thyroid at testosterone, growth hormone, thyroid at least. He said probably oxytocin as least. He said probably oxytocin as least. He said probably oxytocin as well. Every man. He's like otherwise well. Every man. He's like otherwise well. Every man. He's like otherwise why? Why are you looking? [laughter] why? Why are you looking? [laughter] why? Why are you looking? [laughter] >> What are you doing? >> What are you doing? >> What are you doing? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> I feel like I feel like Dr. Cur. >> I feel like I feel like Dr. Cur. >> I feel like I feel like Dr. Cur. >> Yeah. I mean, it's it improves the >> Yeah. I mean, it's it improves the >> Yeah. I mean, it's it improves the quality of your life. I think if you're quality of your life. I think if you're quality of your life. I think if you're Look, Doug, I'll give you an example of Look, Doug, I'll give you an example of Look, Doug, I'll give you an example of someone who doesn't need testo. Doug someone who doesn't need testo. Doug someone who doesn't need testo. Doug comes back. His testosterone levels come comes back. His testosterone levels come comes back. His testosterone levels come back 11, 1200 naturally. back 11, 1200 naturally. back 11, 1200 naturally. >> Wow. Yeah. >> Wow. Yeah. >> Wow. Yeah. >> Naturally. So, >> Naturally. So, >> Naturally. So, >> animal. >> animal. >> animal. >> Yeah. Total animal >> Yeah. Total animal >> Yeah. Total animal back. So, he's he's Yeah. the healthiest back. So, he's he's Yeah. the healthiest back. So, he's he's Yeah. the healthiest one out of all of us. And he doesn't one out of all of us. And he doesn't one out of all of us. And he doesn't have to get any of that stuff. have to get any of that stuff. have to get any of that stuff. >> Yeah. But what I one of the issues too >> Yeah. But what I one of the issues too >> Yeah. But what I one of the issues too is I'll get blood work done and it comes is I'll get blood work done and it comes is I'll get blood work done and it comes back and the doctor's like, "Man, you back and the doctor's like, "Man, you back and the doctor's like, "Man, you got the best looking blood work I've got the best looking blood work I've got the best looking blood work I've ever seen." So that just makes me cool. ever seen." So that just makes me cool. ever seen." So that just makes me cool. I just take more peptides in. I guess I just take more peptides in. I guess I just take more peptides in. I guess I'm I guess I'm okay. [laughter] I'm I guess I'm okay. [laughter] I'm I guess I'm okay. [laughter] >> I'll wait till something comes back, red >> I'll wait till something comes back, red >> I'll wait till something comes back, red flag, and then I'll change it. flag, and then I'll change it. flag, and then I'll change it. >> That's good, man. That's good stuff. >> That's good, man. That's good stuff. >> That's good, man. That's good stuff. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Good [ __ ] dude. >> Good [ __ ] dude. >> Good [ __ ] dude. >> All right. Yeah. Good having you, bro. >> All right. Yeah. Good having you, bro. >> All right. Yeah. Good having you, bro. >> Thanks, boys. >> Thanks, boys. >> Thanks, boys. >> All right. I know you like that episode. >> All right. I know you like that episode. >> All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. If you did, check this one out. If you did, check this one out. Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit body fat. Yes. body fat. Yes. body fat. Yes. >> You want to get there? Let's talk about >> You want to get there? Let's talk about >> You want to get there? Let's talk about it. it. it. difficult and is it worth it? That's a difficult and is it worth it? That's a difficult and is it worth it? That's a follow-up question. follow-up question. follow-up question. >> Yeah. First off, we got to say that >> Yeah. First off, we got to say that >> Yeah. First off, we got to say that okay, so single-digit body fat, okay, so single-digit body fat, okay, so single-digit body fat, obviously body fat percentages, uh that obviously body fat percentages, uh that obviously body fat percentages, uh that could be represented by one digit like could be represented by one digit like could be represented by one digit like 3%, [music] 5%, 6%, 9%. That's uh ripped 3%, [music] 5%, 6%, 9%. That's uh ripped 3%, [music] 5%, 6%, 9%. That's uh ripped for men. For women, for men. For women, for men. For women, >> add 10%. >> add 10%. >> add 10%. >> Yeah. Don't Yeah, exactly. Go you go up >> Yeah. Don't Yeah, exactly. Go you go up >> Yeah. Don't Yeah, exactly. Go you go up about