Speed Training for Athletes How to Sprint Faster without Getting Hurt w/ Brian Kula | Mind Pump 2890

I haven't run fast in seven years. I haven't run fast in seven years. You're going to get hurt. You're going to get hurt. You're going to get hurt. >> I can deadlift 600. I got strong >> I can deadlift 600. I got strong >> I can deadlift 600. I got strong hamstring, hamstring, hamstring, >> but I never sprint. Okay. My 16-year-old >> but I never sprint. Okay. My 16-year-old >> but I never sprint. Okay. My 16-year-old daughter, she she's like, "Dad, why daughter, she she's like, "Dad, why daughter, she she's like, "Dad, why don't you race me or whatever?" And so, don't you race me or whatever?" And so, don't you race me or whatever?" And so, you know, I've got my I'm dad. So, I'm you know, I've got my I'm dad. So, I'm you know, I've got my I'm dad. So, I'm like, "Yeah, okay." like, "Yeah, okay." like, "Yeah, okay." >> And we raced and I beat her and then >> And we raced and I beat her and then >> And we raced and I beat her and then she's like, "No, I'm going to run even she's like, "No, I'm going to run even she's like, "No, I'm going to run even faster now." So, in my head, I'm like, faster now." So, in my head, I'm like, faster now." So, in my head, I'm like, "I'm going to show you how fast I can "I'm going to show you how fast I can "I'm going to show you how fast I can run." run." run." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Pop. >> Pop. >> Pop. >> That's why you pulled your hamstring. It >> That's why you pulled your hamstring. It >> That's why you pulled your hamstring. It wasn't because you're weak. Your brain wasn't because you're weak. Your brain wasn't because you're weak. Your brain hasn't had to operate like that. And it hasn't had to operate like that. And it hasn't had to operate like that. And it doesn't surp doesn't surp doesn't surp you can kind of like you got enough up you can kind of like you got enough up you can kind of like you got enough up here to kind of get through maybe that here to kind of get through maybe that here to kind of get through maybe that first rep. That second rep your CNS is first rep. That second rep your CNS is first rep. That second rep your CNS is under fatigue and now you're asking it under fatigue and now you're asking it under fatigue and now you're asking it to go fast again and it goes haywire to go fast again and it goes haywire to go fast again and it goes haywire hamstring. hamstring. hamstring. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> I worked with Saquon Barkley and we were >> I worked with Saquon Barkley and we were >> I worked with Saquon Barkley and we were out on the track and he looked at me and out on the track and he looked at me and out on the track and he looked at me and said, "Coach, all this stuff you're said, "Coach, all this stuff you're said, "Coach, all this stuff you're telling me, I think I've been running telling me, I think I've been running telling me, I think I've been running wrong my whole life. What we really want wrong my whole life. What we really want wrong my whole life. What we really want is blood flow." So you asked about ice is blood flow." So you asked about ice is blood flow." So you asked about ice and that's like a no no for me. I'm not and that's like a no no for me. I'm not and that's like a no no for me. I'm not even a big fan of cold plunges. It even a big fan of cold plunges. It even a big fan of cold plunges. It vazorestricts. I mean, it can shut down vazorestricts. I mean, it can shut down vazorestricts. I mean, it can shut down your nervous system at a high level for your nervous system at a high level for your nervous system at a high level for about 24 hours. It takes the nervous about 24 hours. It takes the nervous about 24 hours. It takes the nervous system some time to turn back on once system some time to turn back on once system some time to turn back on once you've kind of suppressed it like that you've kind of suppressed it like that you've kind of suppressed it like that in a cold environment. in a cold environment. in a cold environment. >> Who's higher risk? >> Who's higher risk? >> Who's higher risk? >> Cuz you still got some concentric and >> Cuz you still got some concentric and >> Cuz you still got some concentric and eccentric power. So, you might put eccentric power. So, you might put eccentric power. So, you might put yourself in a little higher risk yourself in a little higher risk yourself in a little higher risk category. You know, category. You know, category. You know, >> that's why I try to explain to them. >> that's why I try to explain to them. >> that's why I try to explain to them. >> You'll be able to put force in the >> You'll be able to put force in the >> You'll be able to put force in the ground. That 45-year-old deconditioned ground. That 45-year-old deconditioned ground. That 45-year-old deconditioned athlete can't do that. It's kind of been athlete can't do that. It's kind of been athlete can't do that. It's kind of been a little bit of our secret sauce that a little bit of our secret sauce that a little bit of our secret sauce that that that has been kind of a staple that that has been kind of a staple that that has been kind of a staple throughout training for me for the last throughout training for me for the last throughout training for me for the last call it three decades. 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Um, and you're the guy to ask, right? Um, running. I want to talk to you about running. I want to talk to you about running. I want to talk to you about running for the average person. So many running for the average person. So many running for the average person. So many people, uh, will try to improve their people, uh, will try to improve their people, uh, will try to improve their fitness in one way, shape, or form, and fitness in one way, shape, or form, and fitness in one way, shape, or form, and they'll pick up running. Um, but it's they'll pick up running. Um, but it's they'll pick up running. Um, but it's got such a high rate of injury, and we got such a high rate of injury, and we got such a high rate of injury, and we talk about this on the show all the time talk about this on the show all the time talk about this on the show all the time that people don't appreciate that people don't appreciate that people don't appreciate >> or understand how much of a skill >> or understand how much of a skill >> or understand how much of a skill running is. Uh, and to add to that, if running is. Uh, and to add to that, if running is. Uh, and to add to that, if you look at us and the way we're built, you look at us and the way we're built, you look at us and the way we're built, we're actually built to run. We got we're actually built to run. We got we're actually built to run. We got these big knee joints and we stand up these big knee joints and we stand up these big knee joints and we stand up right and we got this muscular foot and right and we got this muscular foot and right and we got this muscular foot and this big Achilles tendon yet this got this big Achilles tendon yet this got this big Achilles tendon yet this got the highest injury rate among most forms the highest injury rate among most forms the highest injury rate among most forms of exercise. So I'd like for you to kind of exercise. So I'd like for you to kind of exercise. So I'd like for you to kind of walk me through how you would take of walk me through how you would take of walk me through how you would take the average person the average person the average person >> and and kind of walk them through and >> and and kind of walk them through and >> and and kind of walk them through and and not just running like what do you and not just running like what do you and not just running like what do you address first and how do you get this address first and how do you get this address first and how do you get this person to be able to run so they can run person to be able to run so they can run person to be able to run so they can run to work out without hurting themselves. to work out without hurting themselves. to work out without hurting themselves. >> Sure. Sure. Well, it's interesting. I >> Sure. Sure. Well, it's interesting. I >> Sure. Sure. Well, it's interesting. I think, you know, I think one of the think, you know, I think one of the think, you know, I think one of the biggest things with running an injury is biggest things with running an injury is biggest things with running an injury is just like it's a volume problem. You just like it's a volume problem. You just like it's a volume problem. You know, similar to other aspects of of know, similar to other aspects of of know, similar to other aspects of of fitness, you know, you just jump in, you fitness, you know, you just jump in, you fitness, you know, you just jump in, you dive in, somebody's going into a 20 mph, dive in, somebody's going into a 20 mph, dive in, somebody's going into a 20 mph, you know, 25 20 mile week program and you know, 25 20 mile week program and you know, 25 20 mile week program and they're not quite ready for it, you they're not quite ready for it, you they're not quite ready for it, you know. So, I think it's a volume know. So, I think it's a volume know. So, I think it's a volume tolerance issue that needs to be kind of tolerance issue that needs to be kind of tolerance issue that needs to be kind of micro dosed in to get them ready. So, micro dosed in to get them ready. So, micro dosed in to get them ready. So, that's kind of at a macro level. You that's kind of at a macro level. You that's kind of at a macro level. You know, you'd want to look at how much know, you'd want to look at how much know, you'd want to look at how much running you're doing to start. And we running you're doing to start. And we running you're doing to start. And we would do the same thing with an athlete, would do the same thing with an athlete, would do the same thing with an athlete, right? we wouldn't just throw them in right? we wouldn't just throw them in right? we wouldn't just throw them in and start hitting high volumes right and start hitting high volumes right and start hitting high volumes right away or high intensities. So, we'd start away or high intensities. So, we'd start away or high intensities. So, we'd start the intensities and the volume pretty the intensities and the volume pretty the intensities and the volume pretty low and then gradually, you know, low and then gradually, you know, low and then gradually, you know, periodize that up um to where they could periodize that up um to where they could periodize that up um to where they could tolerate it and handle it. tolerate it and handle it. tolerate it and handle it. >> Uh as far as, you know, for for us when >> Uh as far as, you know, for for us when >> Uh as far as, you know, for for us when we're working with athletes and I think we're working with athletes and I think we're working with athletes and I think I mean everybody's an athlete, right? If I mean everybody's an athlete, right? If I mean everybody's an athlete, right? If you move, you're an athlete. So, you move, you're an athlete. So, you move, you're an athlete. So, >> I'm glad you said that. So, explain >> I'm glad you said that. So, explain >> I'm glad you said that. So, explain that. What do you mean by that? Well, I that. What do you mean by that? Well, I that. What do you mean by that? Well, I mean, I think we, you know, we mean, I think we, you know, we mean, I think we, you know, we categorize like, you know, if if mom categorize like, you know, if if mom categorize like, you know, if if mom goes to the gym, right, and she's doing goes to the gym, right, and she's doing goes to the gym, right, and she's doing athletic type movements, lifting athletic type movements, lifting athletic type movements, lifting weights, flexibility, mobility stuff, weights, flexibility, mobility stuff, weights, flexibility, mobility stuff, it's very similar in parallel to what it's very similar in parallel to what it's very similar in parallel to what some of the athletes are doing. I think some of the athletes are doing. I think some of the athletes are doing. I think the differences are just kind of the the differences are just kind of the the differences are just kind of the intensities that they're being done with intensities that they're being done with intensities that they're being done with and, you know, what what the intent what and, you know, what what the intent what and, you know, what what the intent what the intent is. Um, so for them they just the intent is. Um, so for them they just the intent is. Um, so for them they just want to be fit and stuff. But I, you want to be fit and stuff. But I, you want to be fit and stuff. But I, you know, I'm I'm a big proponent of like, know, I'm I'm a big proponent of like, know, I'm I'm a big proponent of like, you know, a female a female that wants you know, a female a female that wants you know, a female a female that wants to, you know, look look good just for, to, you know, look look good just for, to, you know, look look good just for, you know, fitness purposes should lift you know, fitness purposes should lift you know, fitness purposes should lift heavy weights. And that would be similar heavy weights. And that would be similar heavy weights. And that would be similar to what we do with an athlete, you know. to what we do with an athlete, you know. to what we do with an athlete, you know. So it's not just like there's two So it's not just like there's two So it's not just like there's two completely different worlds of fitness completely different worlds of fitness completely different worlds of fitness and performance. I I feel like there's and performance. I I feel like there's and performance. I I feel like there's some, you know, a lot of crossover. some, you know, a lot of crossover. some, you know, a lot of crossover. >> So when we're working with an athlete, >> So when we're working with an athlete, >> So when we're working with an athlete, you know, we're going to dive into, you you know, we're going to dive into, you you know, we're going to dive into, you know, there's some mechanical things. know, there's some mechanical things. know, there's some mechanical things. You know, really, it's a three-headed You know, really, it's a three-headed You know, really, it's a three-headed monster. It's neural, it's mechanical, monster. It's neural, it's mechanical, monster. It's neural, it's mechanical, and it's structural, right? So, the and it's structural, right? So, the and it's structural, right? So, the structural piece is where a lot of the, structural piece is where a lot of the, structural piece is where a lot of the, you know, the the people will get hurt you know, the the people will get hurt you know, the the people will get hurt because they start, they run too much, because they start, they run too much, because they start, they run too much, and their body just can't handle it. and their body just can't handle it. and their body just can't handle it. Their tendons, their ligaments, their Their tendons, their ligaments, their Their tendons, their ligaments, their joints aren't ready for all that. So, joints aren't ready for all that. So, joints aren't ready for all that. So, they have to have a level of tolerance. they have to have a level of tolerance. they have to have a level of tolerance. So, you know, we would start with some So, you know, we would start with some So, you know, we would start with some our bounce fire series is something that our bounce fire series is something that our bounce fire series is something that we love to do because it it it kind of we love to do because it it it kind of we love to do because it it it kind of exposes their their body to some of exposes their their body to some of exposes their their body to some of those, you know, um loads and training those, you know, um loads and training those, you know, um loads and training volumes, uh without actually going out volumes, uh without actually going out volumes, uh without actually going out and running. um then they can build up and running. um then they can build up and running. um then they can build up to a certain amount of you know of of to a certain amount of you know of of to a certain amount of you know of of volume training that that they can volume training that that they can volume training that that they can tolerate. So structural is a piece. The tolerate. So structural is a piece. The tolerate. So structural is a piece. The mechanics is another piece. A lot of mechanics is another piece. A lot of mechanics is another piece. A lot of poor mechanics are going to cause issues poor mechanics are going to cause issues poor mechanics are going to cause issues and problems from you know whether they and problems from you know whether they and problems from you know whether they have knee vulgus or they pronate too have knee vulgus or they pronate too have knee vulgus or they pronate too much or they overreach or are you know much or they overreach or are you know much or they overreach or are you know really backsided. Those things can all really backsided. Those things can all really backsided. Those things can all cause problems up the kinetic chain. So cause problems up the kinetic chain. So cause problems up the kinetic chain. So we got to address things from a we got to address things from a we got to address things from a mechanical you know aspect as well. And mechanical you know aspect as well. And mechanical you know aspect as well. And then the neural piece is like you know then the neural piece is like you know then the neural piece is like you know our brain's the operating system for the our brain's the operating system for the our brain's the operating system for the whole the whole deal. And that also has whole the whole deal. And that also has whole the whole deal. And that also has to be challenged in order for it to be, to be challenged in order for it to be, to be challenged in order for it to be, you know, coordinated to be able to run you know, coordinated to be able to run you know, coordinated to be able to run well. So again, just to be able to go well. So again, just to be able to go well. So again, just to be able to go out and jog probably takes a lower level out and jog probably takes a lower level out and jog probably takes a lower level of coordination than it does to sprint of coordination than it does to sprint of coordination than it does to sprint at a high level, but there's still some at a high level, but there's still some at a high level, but there's still some level of coordinating the body uh that level of coordinating the body uh that level of coordinating the body uh that has to happen neurally. has to happen neurally. has to happen neurally. >> Go back to the the fire. >> Go back to the the fire. >> Go back to the the fire. >> Yes, that's what is bounce fire. >> Yes, that's what is bounce fire. >> Yes, that's what is bounce fire. >> Yeah. So, bounce fire is a system of >> Yeah. So, bounce fire is a system of >> Yeah. So, bounce fire is a system of progressive um running mechanics that progressive um running mechanics that progressive um running mechanics that that has kind of been developed and that has kind of been developed and that has kind of been developed and systemized over the last 25 years, let's systemized over the last 25 years, let's systemized over the last 25 years, let's call it. I kind of, you know, went to a call it. I kind of, you know, went to a call it. I kind of, you know, went to a coach and watched him, you know, 25 coach and watched him, you know, 25 coach and watched him, you know, 25 years ago, saw some stuff, put some years ago, saw some stuff, put some years ago, saw some stuff, put some things together. Actually reconnected things together. Actually reconnected things together. Actually reconnected with that guy's daughter 20 years later. with that guy's daughter 20 years later. with that guy's daughter 20 years later. Um, and we kind of, you know, formalized Um, and we kind of, you know, formalized Um, and we kind of, you know, formalized what we call the bounce fire matrix now. what we call the bounce fire matrix now. what we call the bounce fire matrix now. And really the bounce is kind of all in And really the bounce is kind of all in And really the bounce is kind of all in the foot. So, it's all in the ankle the foot. So, it's all in the ankle the foot. So, it's all in the ankle joint of learning how to dorsif flex, joint of learning how to dorsif flex, joint of learning how to dorsif flex, get into a good loaded, you know, get into a good loaded, you know, get into a good loaded, you know, potentiated position with the foot that potentiated position with the foot that potentiated position with the foot that it strikes in the right place under your it strikes in the right place under your it strikes in the right place under your center of mass. Um, to maximize, you center of mass. Um, to maximize, you center of mass. Um, to maximize, you know, the force production. Um, and we know, the force production. Um, and we know, the force production. Um, and we start there at the ground and then work start there at the ground and then work start there at the ground and then work up. The fire series then starts to get up. The fire series then starts to get up. The fire series then starts to get into the hip and the knee. Uh, we learn into the hip and the knee. Uh, we learn into the hip and the knee. Uh, we learn how to whip from the hip and, you know, how to whip from the hip and, you know, how to whip from the hip and, you know, produce the max amount of force um, from produce the max amount of force um, from produce the max amount of force um, from the top down. And it's just a series of the top down. And it's just a series of the top down. And it's just a series of drills. So the bounce series is one drills. So the bounce series is one drills. So the bounce series is one series where all we focus on is the series where all we focus on is the series where all we focus on is the ankle and it's uh you know it starts uh ankle and it's uh you know it starts uh ankle and it's uh you know it starts uh call it slow and you know low intensity call it slow and you know low intensity call it slow and you know low intensity and then works its way up you know to and then works its way up you know to and then works its way up you know to where you're potentiating up to like where you're potentiating up to like where you're potentiating up to like full end sprinting um and then the fire full end sprinting um and then the fire full end sprinting um and then the fire series starts bringing the hip and the series starts bringing the hip and the series starts bringing the hip and the knee and we do it unilateral. So we knee and we do it unilateral. So we knee and we do it unilateral. So we >> So what does it I'm sorry I got to stop >> So what does it I'm sorry I got to stop >> So what does it I'm sorry I got to stop you because I'm so curious like so uh you because I'm so curious like so uh you because I'm so curious like so uh what does that look like? Am I um what does that look like? Am I um what does that look like? Am I um >> are you standing in place? >> are you standing in place? >> are you standing in place? >> Yeah. Am I standing in place assisted? >> Yeah. Am I standing in place assisted? >> Yeah. Am I standing in place assisted? Am I am I like Am I am I like Am I am I like >> It's a movement series. No, it's we you >> It's a movement series. No, it's we you >> It's a movement series. No, it's we you can run it 15 20 yards um back and can run it 15 20 yards um back and can run it 15 20 yards um back and forth. I mean, if we had space out in forth. I mean, if we had space out in forth. I mean, if we had space out in your gym here, we could just, you know, your gym here, we could just, you know, your gym here, we could just, you know, clear a path and move move back and clear a path and move move back and clear a path and move move back and forth. You don't need a ton of space. forth. You don't need a ton of space. forth. You don't need a ton of space. >> Um but, you know, what you're really >> Um but, you know, what you're really >> Um but, you know, what you're really getting is like getting is like getting is like >> over time, thousands, if not millions of >> over time, thousands, if not millions of >> over time, thousands, if not millions of ground contacts, which starts to develop ground contacts, which starts to develop ground contacts, which starts to develop that, you know, rigidness and and that, you know, rigidness and and that, you know, rigidness and and stiffness, the the rate of force stiffness, the the rate of force stiffness, the the rate of force development, the stretch shortening development, the stretch shortening development, the stretch shortening cycle in the in the Achilles tendon, um cycle in the in the Achilles tendon, um cycle in the in the Achilles tendon, um solius muscle and all that kind of solius muscle and all that kind of solius muscle and all that kind of stuff. So, it's kind of been a little stuff. So, it's kind of been a little stuff. So, it's kind of been a little bit of our secret sauce that that has bit of our secret sauce that that has bit of our secret sauce that that has been kind of a staple throughout been kind of a staple throughout been kind of a staple throughout training for me for the last call it training for me for the last call it training for me for the last call it three decades. three decades. three decades. >> Um, and obviously it's it's evolved. Um, >> Um, and obviously it's it's evolved. Um, >> Um, and obviously it's it's evolved. Um, but now we kind of have a systemized we but now we kind of have a systemized we but now we kind of have a systemized we have about 30 signature drills that we have about 30 signature drills that we have about 30 signature drills that we run through linear, lateral, and change run through linear, lateral, and change run through linear, lateral, and change of direction. of direction. of direction. >> Yeah. And so you start that you you >> Yeah. And so you start that you you >> Yeah. And so you start that you you progress through that before you get progress through that before you get progress through that before you get into let's go out and run. into let's go out and run. into let's go out and run. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Wow. And so that makes a big difference >> Wow. And so that makes a big difference >> Wow. And so that makes a big difference in the person's in the person's in the person's >> huge huge. >> huge huge. >> huge huge. >> What are the what are the differences >> What are the what are the differences >> What are the what are the differences you see versus just someone going out you see versus just someone going out you see versus just someone going out and just running? and just running? and just running? >> Yeah. Well, I think it again it goes >> Yeah. Well, I think it again it goes >> Yeah. Well, I think it again it goes back and it addresses some of that back and it addresses some of that back and it addresses some of that neural, mechanical, and structural neural, mechanical, and structural neural, mechanical, and structural components because, you know, if I cut components because, you know, if I cut components because, you know, if I cut you loose and say, "S, I want you to go you loose and say, "S, I want you to go you loose and say, "S, I want you to go out and hit five miles for me and then out and hit five miles for me and then out and hit five miles for me and then report back." report back." report back." >> Well, I don't get to coach you. You >> Well, I don't get to coach you. You >> Well, I don't get to coach you. You know, I don't get to see all the know, I don't get to see all the know, I don't get to see all the repetitive mistakes that you're making repetitive mistakes that you're making repetitive mistakes that you're making over time. Well, in a bounce fire over time. Well, in a bounce fire over time. Well, in a bounce fire series, they're right in front of me and series, they're right in front of me and series, they're right in front of me and 20 yards, you know, back and forth where 20 yards, you know, back and forth where 20 yards, you know, back and forth where I can coach them and give them cues to I can coach them and give them cues to I can coach them and give them cues to dial in their mechanics to make sure dial in their mechanics to make sure dial in their mechanics to make sure that they're getting enough, you know, that they're getting enough, you know, that they're getting enough, you know, the right kind of contacts in to develop the right kind of contacts in to develop the right kind of contacts in to develop the structure to be able to handle that the structure to be able to handle that the structure to be able to handle that higher volume later. And then the higher volume later. And then the higher volume later. And then the coordinative ability, you know, when you coordinative ability, you know, when you coordinative ability, you know, when you ask a kid to do like a single leg fire, ask a kid to do like a single leg fire, ask a kid to do like a single leg fire, >> which, you know, unilateral, if I took >> which, you know, unilateral, if I took >> which, you know, unilateral, if I took the three of you out in the gym right the three of you out in the gym right the three of you out in the gym right now, one of you at least would look now, one of you at least would look now, one of you at least would look like, you know, you have two left feet. like, you know, you have two left feet. like, you know, you have two left feet. Um, but that's the that's the Um, but that's the that's the Um, but that's the that's the >> but that's the coordinative piece, >> but that's the coordinative piece, >> but that's the coordinative piece, right? And so now we're developing right? And so now we're developing right? And so now we're developing neural and not that it's just like this neural and not that it's just like this neural and not that it's just like this magic pill, but we really do feel like, magic pill, but we really do feel like, magic pill, but we really do feel like, you know, when you when you go I mean, you know, when you when you go I mean, you know, when you when you go I mean, running's not that complicated. There's running's not that complicated. There's running's not that complicated. There's an error phase and a ground phase. an error phase and a ground phase. an error phase and a ground phase. >> Um, that this set of drills really does >> Um, that this set of drills really does >> Um, that this set of drills really does address all three of those things. address all three of those things. address all three of those things. >> Very cool. >> Very cool. >> Very cool. >> What are the common >> What are the common >> What are the common what are the real common cues that you what are the real common cues that you what are the real common cues that you would give someone like the ones that would give someone like the ones that would give someone like the ones that you tend to notice that you have to you tend to notice that you have to you tend to notice that you have to repeat for a lot of people? repeat for a lot of people? repeat for a lot of people? >> Uh, dorsal flexion, you know, having a >> Uh, dorsal flexion, you know, having a >> Uh, dorsal flexion, you know, having a loaded foot. um making sure that they loaded foot. um making sure that they loaded foot. um making sure that they stay in that position for a long time. A stay in that position for a long time. A stay in that position for a long time. A lot of lot of lot of people when we lot of lot of lot of people when we lot of lot of lot of people when we first start running they they they reach first start running they they they reach first start running they they they reach really bad. They get plantar flex. They really bad. They get plantar flex. They really bad. They get plantar flex. They kind of reach before they hit the ground kind of reach before they hit the ground kind of reach before they hit the ground which causes a ton of lower leg which causes a ton of lower leg which causes a ton of lower leg exposure. So shin splints like patella exposure. So shin splints like patella exposure. So shin splints like patella tendinitis like talis. tendinitis like talis. tendinitis like talis. >> Interesting. So that's the reaching. >> Interesting. So that's the reaching. >> Interesting. So that's the reaching. >> So that's from the reaching. >> So that's from the reaching. >> So that's from the reaching. >> I did not I thought shin splints were a >> I did not I thought shin splints were a >> I did not I thought shin splints were a lot of times for my clients that lacked lot of times for my clients that lacked lot of times for my clients that lacked ankle mobility and just the impact. ankle mobility and just the impact. ankle mobility and just the impact. >> It's it's certainly multiffactorial for >> It's it's certainly multiffactorial for >> It's it's certainly multiffactorial for sure. There's a lot going on there. But sure. There's a lot going on there. But sure. There's a lot going on there. But I mean, if you think about it, right, I mean, if you think about it, right, I mean, if you think about it, right, like got three big strong guys here. If like got three big strong guys here. If like got three big strong guys here. If you know, if you put your foot out in you know, if you put your foot out in you know, if you put your foot out in front of you, we took a force front of you, we took a force front of you, we took a force measurement when you hit the ground, measurement when you hit the ground, measurement when you hit the ground, it'd be really high. But if we put that it'd be really high. But if we put that it'd be really high. But if we put that more under our center of mass as we more under our center of mass as we more under our center of mass as we moved over it, it'd be a lot lower. moved over it, it'd be a lot lower. moved over it, it'd be a lot lower. >> Super interesting. >> Super interesting. >> Super interesting. >> So rather than reaching forward with my >> So rather than reaching forward with my >> So rather than reaching forward with my leg, I wait till I get over it and then leg, I wait till I get over it and then leg, I wait till I get over it and then kind of hit the ground a little bit. kind of hit the ground a little bit. kind of hit the ground a little bit. >> I I talk a lot to the kids especially >> I I talk a lot to the kids especially >> I I talk a lot to the kids especially about like the concept of pushing and about like the concept of pushing and about like the concept of pushing and pulling. I'll always say like, "Hey, if pulling. I'll always say like, "Hey, if pulling. I'll always say like, "Hey, if my car broke down, would we pull it to my car broke down, would we pull it to my car broke down, would we pull it to the gas station or would we push it?" the gas station or would we push it?" the gas station or would we push it?" And they're like, "We push it, coach." And they're like, "We push it, coach." And they're like, "We push it, coach." Why? Well, because it's easier. So Why? Well, because it's easier. So Why? Well, because it's easier. So pushing, right, getting that foot under pushing, right, getting that foot under pushing, right, getting that foot under the center of mass and pushing the mass the center of mass and pushing the mass the center of mass and pushing the mass down the down the field, the track, down the down the field, the track, down the down the field, the track, whatever is more efficient than pulling. whatever is more efficient than pulling. whatever is more efficient than pulling. >> But a lot of times that's just, you >> But a lot of times that's just, you >> But a lot of times that's just, you know, we want to go big stride. So we know, we want to go big stride. So we know, we want to go big stride. So we reach and then we pull, which is, you reach and then we pull, which is, you reach and then we pull, which is, you know, not as mechanically advantageous. know, not as mechanically advantageous. know, not as mechanically advantageous. >> Is that does that result the reaching >> Is that does that result the reaching >> Is that does that result the reaching does that result in more hamstring pull does that result in more hamstring pull does that result in more hamstring pull and and and >> absolutely absolutely because you're >> absolutely absolutely because you're >> absolutely absolutely because you're putting the hamstring in a stretched putting the hamstring in a stretched putting the hamstring in a stretched position position position >> and then trying to explode >> and then trying to explode >> and then trying to explode >> and for and adding force. So that's >> and for and adding force. So that's >> and for and adding force. So that's where most hamstrings actually go is in where most hamstrings actually go is in where most hamstrings actually go is in that phase. that phase. that phase. >> Wow. So do you have like so flatfooted >> Wow. So do you have like so flatfooted >> Wow. So do you have like so flatfooted sort of uh what other like common sort of uh what other like common sort of uh what other like common dysfunctions do you see that like okay dysfunctions do you see that like okay dysfunctions do you see that like okay we got to address this like here's how we got to address this like here's how we got to address this like here's how we're going to do that? we're going to do that? we're going to do that? >> Yeah I mean recovery is another really >> Yeah I mean recovery is another really >> Yeah I mean recovery is another really big one right like so once the foot has big one right like so once the foot has big one right like so once the foot has struck under the center of mass the next struck under the center of mass the next struck under the center of mass the next thing that needs to happen is a a heel thing that needs to happen is a a heel thing that needs to happen is a a heel recovery tighter to the hamstring versus recovery tighter to the hamstring versus recovery tighter to the hamstring versus like letting it come out the back side. like letting it come out the back side. like letting it come out the back side. So you'll see somebody that runs and So you'll see somebody that runs and So you'll see somebody that runs and their foot's kind of swinging out the their foot's kind of swinging out the their foot's kind of swinging out the back really bad. Um, again, all you can back really bad. Um, again, all you can back really bad. Um, again, all you can do there then is you get this hip do there then is you get this hip do there then is you get this hip extension. All you can really do is pull extension. All you can really do is pull extension. All you can really do is pull the leg through and land versus if you the leg through and land versus if you the leg through and land versus if you have a nice tight recovery, you can put have a nice tight recovery, you can put have a nice tight recovery, you can put that foot into a really nice potentiated that foot into a really nice potentiated that foot into a really nice potentiated position to punch the ground on the next position to punch the ground on the next position to punch the ground on the next stride. stride. stride. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. Now, that's not necessarily >> Right. Now, that's not necessarily >> Right. Now, that's not necessarily applicable to your jogger, right? applicable to your jogger, right? applicable to your jogger, right? Because those guys have a slightly Because those guys have a slightly Because those guys have a slightly different gate and pattern where we're different gate and pattern where we're different gate and pattern where we're going to maybe more heel strike and kind going to maybe more heel strike and kind going to maybe more heel strike and kind of roll over the top. Um, but with any of roll over the top. Um, but with any of roll over the top. Um, but with any kind of like sprinting or or fast kind of like sprinting or or fast kind of like sprinting or or fast running at all, we want to have the most running at all, we want to have the most running at all, we want to have the most mechanically mechanically mechanically >> advanced. Is it easier to teach a >> advanced. Is it easier to teach a >> advanced. Is it easier to teach a sprinter to jog than it is to teach a sprinter to jog than it is to teach a sprinter to jog than it is to teach a jogger to sprint? I would imagine. jogger to sprint? I would imagine. jogger to sprint? I would imagine. >> Oo. Uh, yeah. I would think so. I would >> Oo. Uh, yeah. I would think so. I would >> Oo. Uh, yeah. I would think so. I would think so. I mean, I don't work with a think so. I mean, I don't work with a think so. I mean, I don't work with a lot of joggers, right? Like my my lot of joggers, right? Like my my lot of joggers, right? Like my my thing's speed, but I think that, you thing's speed, but I think that, you thing's speed, but I think that, you know, athletes and stuff know, athletes and stuff know, athletes and stuff easy. Can we slow down through the easy. Can we slow down through the easy. Can we slow down through the ringer here? I don't I hate jogging. No. ringer here? I don't I hate jogging. No. ringer here? I don't I hate jogging. No. >> Um, because again, like, you know, for >> Um, because again, like, you know, for >> Um, because again, like, you know, for me, everything is about like type 2B me, everything is about like type 2B me, everything is about like type 2B muscle fiber recruitment and, you know, muscle fiber recruitment and, you know, muscle fiber recruitment and, you know, slow jogging is the opposite of that. slow jogging is the opposite of that. slow jogging is the opposite of that. So, So, So, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Um, but yeah, I mean, I think I'd much >> Um, but yeah, I mean, I think I'd much >> Um, but yeah, I mean, I think I'd much rather take a jogger and teach them how rather take a jogger and teach them how rather take a jogger and teach them how to sprint, you know, and fix some of to sprint, you know, and fix some of to sprint, you know, and fix some of those things than have to teach a those things than have to teach a those things than have to teach a sprinter how to jog. sprinter how to jog. sprinter how to jog. >> I think that'd be kind of >> I think that'd be kind of >> I think that'd be kind of >> Let's go back to hamstring because >> Let's go back to hamstring because >> Let's go back to hamstring because that's such a common uh injury with that's such a common uh injury with that's such a common uh injury with sprinters. I'd say probably one of the sprinters. I'd say probably one of the sprinters. I'd say probably one of the most common, right, would be most common, right, would be most common, right, would be >> what are the some of the the things you >> what are the some of the the things you >> what are the some of the the things you do when you have an athlete that's like, do when you have an athlete that's like, do when you have an athlete that's like, man, I keep man, I keep man, I keep >> straining my hamstring. Is it all >> straining my hamstring. Is it all >> straining my hamstring. Is it all biomechanics or are we looking at biomechanics or are we looking at biomechanics or are we looking at strengthening in particular way? strengthening in particular way? strengthening in particular way? >> There's there there's both, right? >> There's there there's both, right? >> There's there there's both, right? There's both. And I I think where it There's both. And I I think where it There's both. And I I think where it starts number one there's there's a lot starts number one there's there's a lot starts number one there's there's a lot of new research out and stuff is it is of new research out and stuff is it is of new research out and stuff is it is neural right like the the inability for neural right like the the inability for neural right like the the inability for the body to relax after it contracts is the body to relax after it contracts is the body to relax after it contracts is kind of what is what the problem is. kind of what is what the problem is. kind of what is what the problem is. >> So they're trying to stretch while it's >> So they're trying to stretch while it's >> So they're trying to stretch while it's >> exactly and they need to be able to >> exactly and they need to be able to >> exactly and they need to be able to relax in that and get into those relax in that and get into those relax in that and get into those positions. So and again some of the positions. So and again some of the positions. So and again some of the training like if you're into slow training like if you're into slow training like if you're into slow concentric training then you're not concentric training then you're not concentric training then you're not necessarily hitting the same energy necessarily hitting the same energy necessarily hitting the same energy system that you're hitting when you're system that you're hitting when you're system that you're hitting when you're sprinting. So, you know, it would make sprinting. So, you know, it would make sprinting. So, you know, it would make sense if you're doing slow RDL's that sense if you're doing slow RDL's that sense if you're doing slow RDL's that over time, you know, if you're sprinting over time, you know, if you're sprinting over time, you know, if you're sprinting fast, you you haven't really trained fast, you you haven't really trained fast, you you haven't really trained that system. That's right. And so, that system. That's right. And so, that system. That's right. And so, exposures to speed is probably the most exposures to speed is probably the most exposures to speed is probably the most >> critical thing you need to do to >> critical thing you need to do to >> critical thing you need to do to bulletproof hamstrings. There isn't bulletproof hamstrings. There isn't bulletproof hamstrings. There isn't really an exercise in the weight room really an exercise in the weight room really an exercise in the weight room that you can do that that takes care of that you can do that that takes care of that you can do that that takes care of the hamstrings. the hamstrings. the hamstrings. >> So, old theory used to be that uh we >> So, old theory used to be that uh we >> So, old theory used to be that uh we were so anterly driven and so we had were so anterly driven and so we had were so anterly driven and so we had such quad development and it wasn't the such quad development and it wasn't the such quad development and it wasn't the percentage of strength in the hamstring. percentage of strength in the hamstring. percentage of strength in the hamstring. Is there truth to that? Is there truth to that? Is there truth to that? Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that's Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that's Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that's the that was like the ' 70s the that was like the ' 70s the that was like the ' 70s bodybuilding, you know, wave that took bodybuilding, you know, wave that took bodybuilding, you know, wave that took over and we kind of forgot about the over and we kind of forgot about the over and we kind of forgot about the posterior chain. posterior chain. posterior chain. >> I think that's been rectified, but now >> I think that's been rectified, but now >> I think that's been rectified, but now it's almost gone the other way where we it's almost gone the other way where we it's almost gone the other way where we think we can just fix it in the weight think we can just fix it in the weight think we can just fix it in the weight room with RDL's, with Nordics, you know, room with RDL's, with Nordics, you know, room with RDL's, with Nordics, you know, these are the magic exercises, but these are the magic exercises, but these are the magic exercises, but really what the exposure to the speed is really what the exposure to the speed is really what the exposure to the speed is because it's neural. So there's a because it's neural. So there's a because it's neural. So there's a coordination factor of once you reach coordination factor of once you reach coordination factor of once you reach certain speeds, the body almost kind of certain speeds, the body almost kind of certain speeds, the body almost kind of shuts down because the nervous system shuts down because the nervous system shuts down because the nervous system can't respond appropriately. And that's can't respond appropriately. And that's can't respond appropriately. And that's when a muscle's going to pull. when a muscle's going to pull. when a muscle's going to pull. >> So, Brian, this happened to me. Uh, how >> So, Brian, this happened to me. Uh, how >> So, Brian, this happened to me. Uh, how long ago was I tore my hamstring? Was it long ago was I tore my hamstring? Was it long ago was I tore my hamstring? Was it like 4 months ago? 5 months? No, no, it like 4 months ago? 5 months? No, no, it like 4 months ago? 5 months? No, no, it was longer than that. was longer than that. was longer than that. >> Got up and sprinted. >> Got up and sprinted. >> Got up and sprinted. >> It was almost a year ago. So, I I could >> It was almost a year ago. So, I I could >> It was almost a year ago. So, I I could deadlift 600. I got strong hamstrings. deadlift 600. I got strong hamstrings. deadlift 600. I got strong hamstrings. >> But I never sprint. Okay. And I was in >> But I never sprint. Okay. And I was in >> But I never sprint. Okay. And I was in Hawaii with my family and my 16-year-old Hawaii with my family and my 16-year-old Hawaii with my family and my 16-year-old daughter, she plays lacrosse and she's daughter, she plays lacrosse and she's daughter, she plays lacrosse and she's like, "Dad, why don't you race me or like, "Dad, why don't you race me or like, "Dad, why don't you race me or whatever?" And so, you know, I've got whatever?" And so, you know, I've got whatever?" And so, you know, I've got my, you know, dad, so I'm like, "Yeah, my, you know, dad, so I'm like, "Yeah, my, you know, dad, so I'm like, "Yeah, okay." okay." okay." >> And we race and I beat her and then >> And we race and I beat her and then >> And we race and I beat her and then she's like, "No, I'm going to run even she's like, "No, I'm going to run even she's like, "No, I'm going to run even faster now." So, in my head, I'm like, faster now." So, in my head, I'm like, faster now." So, in my head, I'm like, "I'm going to show you how fast I can "I'm going to show you how fast I can "I'm going to show you how fast I can run." Pop. run." Pop. run." Pop. >> Yep. totally pull my hand. >> Yep. totally pull my hand. >> Yep. totally pull my hand. >> Someone like me, I've got strength, I've >> Someone like me, I've got strength, I've >> Someone like me, I've got strength, I've got muscle, but what I want to sprint. I got muscle, but what I want to sprint. I got muscle, but what I want to sprint. I want to be able to sprint without want to be able to sprint without want to be able to sprint without hurting myself. hurting myself. hurting myself. >> And I know what's happening now based >> And I know what's happening now based >> And I know what's happening now based off of what you're explaining. off of what you're explaining. off of what you're explaining. >> What would be my progression to be able >> What would be my progression to be able >> What would be my progression to be able to sprint, would it be like running at to sprint, would it be like running at to sprint, would it be like running at 50% for a while and getting good at that 50% for a while and getting good at that 50% for a while and getting good at that and then 60%, like what would I do? and then 60%, like what would I do? and then 60%, like what would I do? >> I mean, I if I'm if I'm programming for >> I mean, I if I'm if I'm programming for >> I mean, I if I'm if I'm programming for you and saying, "Let's get you there." you and saying, "Let's get you there." you and saying, "Let's get you there." And it's interesting because you guys And it's interesting because you guys And it's interesting because you guys know Mark Bell. know Mark Bell. know Mark Bell. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm actually we've actually done >> So, I'm actually we've actually done >> So, I'm actually we've actually done this with Mark, you know, he's lost a this with Mark, you know, he's lost a this with Mark, you know, he's lost a bunch of weight. He's trying to do some bunch of weight. He's trying to do some bunch of weight. He's trying to do some sprinting now. The first time I watched sprinting now. The first time I watched sprinting now. The first time I watched him run, I was like, "Oh, him run, I was like, "Oh, him run, I was like, "Oh, this is going to be tough." Um, but he's this is going to be tough." Um, but he's this is going to be tough." Um, but he's actually but he's actually followed the actually but he's actually followed the actually but he's actually followed the protocols. It's taken a long time, but protocols. It's taken a long time, but protocols. It's taken a long time, but all we're doing is kind of exposing him all we're doing is kind of exposing him all we're doing is kind of exposing him through the bounce fire series on the Z through the bounce fire series on the Z through the bounce fire series on the Z tread, you know, um, kind of some tread, you know, um, kind of some tread, you know, um, kind of some exposures to those things. That's why exposures to those things. That's why exposures to those things. That's why you pulled your hamstring. It wasn't you pulled your hamstring. It wasn't you pulled your hamstring. It wasn't because you're weak. It's cuz you're you because you're weak. It's cuz you're you because you're weak. It's cuz you're you haven't, you know, your brain hasn't had haven't, you know, your brain hasn't had haven't, you know, your brain hasn't had to operate like that. And it doesn't to operate like that. And it doesn't to operate like that. And it doesn't surprise me you did it on the second rep surprise me you did it on the second rep surprise me you did it on the second rep instead except the fir, you know, instead except the fir, you know, instead except the fir, you know, besides the first. Well, because the besides the first. Well, because the besides the first. Well, because the first you can kind of like you you got first you can kind of like you you got first you can kind of like you you got enough up here to kind of get through enough up here to kind of get through enough up here to kind of get through maybe that first rep. Now that system's maybe that first rep. Now that system's maybe that first rep. Now that system's a little fatigued and we all know like a little fatigued and we all know like a little fatigued and we all know like I'm a big rest and recovery guy. Like I'm a big rest and recovery guy. Like I'm a big rest and recovery guy. Like you know, we'll talk about that maybe a you know, we'll talk about that maybe a you know, we'll talk about that maybe a little bit later, but that second rep little bit later, but that second rep little bit later, but that second rep you're still your CNS is under fatigue. you're still your CNS is under fatigue. you're still your CNS is under fatigue. Your body isn't, but your CNS is. And Your body isn't, but your CNS is. And Your body isn't, but your CNS is. And now you're asking it to go fast again now you're asking it to go fast again now you're asking it to go fast again and it goes haywire hamstring. and it goes haywire hamstring. and it goes haywire hamstring. >> Wow. Wow. I'm so glad we're talking >> Wow. Wow. I'm so glad we're talking >> Wow. Wow. I'm so glad we're talking about this because uh I got a lot of about this because uh I got a lot of about this because uh I got a lot of [ __ ] at the beginning of the football [ __ ] at the beginning of the football [ __ ] at the beginning of the football season, fantasy football, right? So, I season, fantasy football, right? So, I season, fantasy football, right? So, I uh my buddies, I'm the fitness guy, uh my buddies, I'm the fitness guy, uh my buddies, I'm the fitness guy, right? So, of all of us, I'm the only right? So, of all of us, I'm the only right? So, of all of us, I'm the only real fitness guy of the 10 guys. real fitness guy of the 10 guys. real fitness guy of the 10 guys. >> And one of the guys who's the league, >> And one of the guys who's the league, >> And one of the guys who's the league, the commissioner decides that the way the commissioner decides that the way the commissioner decides that the way we're going to do the draft this year is we're going to do the draft this year is we're going to do the draft this year is we're going to sprint a 40-yard dash. we're going to sprint a 40-yard dash. we're going to sprint a 40-yard dash. >> Oh, boy. >> Oh, boy. >> Oh, boy. >> I refuse to do it. >> I refuse to do it. >> I refuse to do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I said, "Put me in last play." And >> I said, "Put me in last play." And >> I said, "Put me in last play." And everybody was so pissed. everybody was so pissed. everybody was so pissed. >> You're the fitness guy. >> You're the fitness guy. >> You're the fitness guy. >> Yeah. And because I I do not sprint at >> Yeah. And because I I do not sprint at >> Yeah. And because I I do not sprint at all. I'm very aware of that. I lift all. I'm very aware of that. I lift all. I'm very aware of that. I lift heavy ass weights and I haven't trained heavy ass weights and I haven't trained heavy ass weights and I haven't trained like an athlete in a long time. I feel like an athlete in a long time. I feel like an athlete in a long time. I feel like that's such a recipe for for like that's such a recipe for for like that's such a recipe for for opponents like no business. opponents like no business. opponents like no business. >> Just no exposure. I mean, it would be >> Just no exposure. I mean, it would be >> Just no exposure. I mean, it would be not that dissimilar if if I was like, not that dissimilar if if I was like, not that dissimilar if if I was like, "Hey, I don't really ever bench press, "Hey, I don't really ever bench press, "Hey, I don't really ever bench press, but let's go throw 315 on and see how but let's go throw 315 on and see how but let's go throw 315 on and see how many times I can do it." It's really no many times I can do it." It's really no many times I can do it." It's really no different, right? And so, I want to run different, right? And so, I want to run different, right? And so, I want to run really really fast and I have never I really really fast and I have never I really really fast and I have never I haven't run fast in seven years. You're haven't run fast in seven years. You're haven't run fast in seven years. You're going to get hurt. going to get hurt. going to get hurt. >> And wouldn't somebody like S or myself >> And wouldn't somebody like S or myself >> And wouldn't somebody like S or myself who never trains that way be at even who never trains that way be at even who never trains that way be at even higher risk because of how strong we are higher risk because of how strong we are higher risk because of how strong we are versus like let's say a total versus like let's say a total versus like let's say a total deconditioned person. So, who's Yeah. deconditioned person. So, who's Yeah. deconditioned person. So, who's Yeah. Who's higher risk? a a 45year-old who Who's higher risk? a a 45year-old who Who's higher risk? a a 45year-old who does no training, no nothing, go out for does no training, no nothing, go out for does no training, no nothing, go out for a sprint or the guy who's 600 lb a sprint or the guy who's 600 lb a sprint or the guy who's 600 lb deadlift, never sprint, deadlift, never sprint, deadlift, never sprint, >> they can rip. Yeah. Like cuz you still >> they can rip. Yeah. Like cuz you still >> they can rip. Yeah. Like cuz you still got some concentric and eccentric power. got some concentric and eccentric power. got some concentric and eccentric power. So you might put yourself in a little So you might put yourself in a little So you might put yourself in a little higher risk category, you know. higher risk category, you know. higher risk category, you know. >> That's what I try to explain to them. >> That's what I try to explain to them. >> That's what I try to explain to them. You'll be able to put force in the You'll be able to put force in the You'll be able to put force in the ground, ground, ground, >> you know, and that 45year-old >> you know, and that 45year-old >> you know, and that 45year-old deconditioned athlete can't do that. deconditioned athlete can't do that. deconditioned athlete can't do that. >> That's exactly what I was trying to >> That's exactly what I was trying to >> That's exactly what I was trying to explain to them. I'm like, "Yeah, you explain to them. I'm like, "Yeah, you explain to them. I'm like, "Yeah, you guys, all you soft ass dudes that like guys, all you soft ass dudes that like guys, all you soft ass dudes that like never do anything like there's no risk never do anything like there's no risk never do anything like there's no risk for you. You don't even know how to get for you. You don't even know how to get for you. You don't even know how to get that output out. like my body knows how that output out. like my body knows how that output out. like my body knows how to push. You know what I'm saying? And to push. You know what I'm saying? And to push. You know what I'm saying? And said I got a lot of muscle, but I don't said I got a lot of muscle, but I don't said I got a lot of muscle, but I don't I respect training like an athlete and I respect training like an athlete and I respect training like an athlete and sprinting that I can't do that. sprinting that I can't do that. sprinting that I can't do that. >> Yeah. I'm curious because like in the >> Yeah. I'm curious because like in the >> Yeah. I'm curious because like in the sport specific world like you'll see sport specific world like you'll see sport specific world like you'll see some philosophy out there like speed of some philosophy out there like speed of some philosophy out there like speed of sport or like the Marinoviches and like sport or like the Marinoviches and like sport or like the Marinoviches and like you know where they're actually trying you know where they're actually trying you know where they're actually trying to create exercises where they are able to create exercises where they are able to create exercises where they are able to like apply acceleration and that's to like apply acceleration and that's to like apply acceleration and that's the whole like point of it. How do you the whole like point of it. How do you the whole like point of it. How do you feel about that in terms of feel about that in terms of feel about that in terms of effectiveness versus just like, you effectiveness versus just like, you effectiveness versus just like, you know, doing that sort of graded approach know, doing that sort of graded approach know, doing that sort of graded approach of of just running and and getting of of just running and and getting of of just running and and getting exposure that way? exposure that way? exposure that way? >> I I think some of those systems have >> I I think some of those systems have >> I I think some of those systems have some immense value, right? Like I'm I'm some immense value, right? Like I'm I'm some immense value, right? Like I'm I'm a little bit of a study of like the a little bit of a study of like the a little bit of a study of like the Eastern Block Soviet system, Ver Eastern Block Soviet system, Ver Eastern Block Soviet system, Ver Verkushky and some of those guys and I Verkushky and some of those guys and I Verkushky and some of those guys and I think what Marv Marino and Jay Schroeder think what Marv Marino and Jay Schroeder think what Marv Marino and Jay Schroeder and some of those guys did is and some of those guys did is and some of those guys did is incredible. Now, I'm not like a baby out incredible. Now, I'm not like a baby out incredible. Now, I'm not like a baby out with the bath water that's all we're with the bath water that's all we're with the bath water that's all we're going to do guy, you know? I'm like going to do guy, you know? I'm like going to do guy, you know? I'm like there are bits and pieces of it though there are bits and pieces of it though there are bits and pieces of it though that are really good. And so I think that are really good. And so I think that are really good. And so I think exposing athletes to some of the you exposing athletes to some of the you exposing athletes to some of the you know the the um overcoming isometrics, know the the um overcoming isometrics, know the the um overcoming isometrics, some altitude drops, you know, things some altitude drops, you know, things some altitude drops, you know, things like that where you're exposing the like that where you're exposing the like that where you're exposing the nervous system to really high levels of nervous system to really high levels of nervous system to really high levels of of output is a must. You know, that's of output is a must. You know, that's of output is a must. You know, that's always kind of been a thread in what, always kind of been a thread in what, always kind of been a thread in what, you know, I've done with my, you know, you know, I've done with my, you know, you know, I've done with my, you know, athletes. Now, I don't do it every day athletes. Now, I don't do it every day athletes. Now, I don't do it every day kind of like they did. And I don't know kind of like they did. And I don't know kind of like they did. And I don't know what would happen if I did, if it's what would happen if I did, if it's what would happen if I did, if it's better or worse. I still think that an better or worse. I still think that an better or worse. I still think that an athlete needs good concentric, you know, athlete needs good concentric, you know, athlete needs good concentric, you know, has to be really strong, needs to run has to be really strong, needs to run has to be really strong, needs to run fast, needs it, needs nervous system fast, needs it, needs nervous system fast, needs it, needs nervous system exposures. So, it's a, you know, exposures. So, it's a, you know, exposures. So, it's a, you know, training athletes, that's why these are training athletes, that's why these are training athletes, that's why these are always great conversations cuz everyone always great conversations cuz everyone always great conversations cuz everyone thinks they got the system thinks they got the system thinks they got the system >> and like I think if we're, I guess, >> and like I think if we're, I guess, >> and like I think if we're, I guess, humble enough, we can sit back and go, humble enough, we can sit back and go, humble enough, we can sit back and go, they probably need a little bit of all they probably need a little bit of all they probably need a little bit of all of it, of it, of it, >> you know, and and putting that together >> you know, and and putting that together >> you know, and and putting that together is probably the best system. is probably the best system. is probably the best system. >> How do you determine uh recovery for an >> How do you determine uh recovery for an >> How do you determine uh recovery for an athlete? Is it based off of their athlete? Is it based off of their athlete? Is it based off of their perception? Is it based off of what you perception? Is it based off of what you perception? Is it based off of what you see? Are you looking at heart rate see? Are you looking at heart rate see? Are you looking at heart rate variability? Like what are your what are variability? Like what are your what are variability? Like what are your what are your measures? your measures? your measures? >> I mean, I think after as long as I've >> I mean, I think after as long as I've >> I mean, I think after as long as I've done it, I kind of know what we're doing done it, I kind of know what we're doing done it, I kind of know what we're doing and how long that's going to take to and how long that's going to take to and how long that's going to take to recover at some level. I think I'm recover at some level. I think I'm recover at some level. I think I'm trying to max I'm trying to max rest and trying to max I'm trying to max rest and trying to max I'm trying to max rest and recovery as much as I can, you know, recovery as much as I can, you know, recovery as much as I can, you know, which is kind of a paradigm flip from, which is kind of a paradigm flip from, which is kind of a paradigm flip from, you know, where we were, you know, when you know, where we were, you know, when you know, where we were, you know, when I went to high school and we just I went to high school and we just I went to high school and we just grinded and did as much as we could as grinded and did as much as we could as grinded and did as much as we could as often as we could. With high level often as we could. With high level often as we could. With high level athletes that have really high output, athletes that have really high output, athletes that have really high output, more the more rest the better, right? more the more rest the better, right? more the more rest the better, right? more sleep, more days in between high more sleep, more days in between high more sleep, more days in between high intensity days. You know, Charlie intensity days. You know, Charlie intensity days. You know, Charlie Francis was kind of a guy that was a Francis was kind of a guy that was a Francis was kind of a guy that was a high low system, you know, guy. And I high low system, you know, guy. And I high low system, you know, guy. And I think he was spot on with, you know, you think he was spot on with, you know, you think he was spot on with, you know, you have a heavy day, you better come back have a heavy day, you better come back have a heavy day, you better come back with a little bit lighter day the next with a little bit lighter day the next with a little bit lighter day the next day. And again, that's all neural, you day. And again, that's all neural, you day. And again, that's all neural, you know, it's not like I mean, I think our know, it's not like I mean, I think our know, it's not like I mean, I think our muscles and they can go, you know, we muscles and they can go, you know, we muscles and they can go, you know, we can we can lift every day, things like can we can lift every day, things like can we can lift every day, things like that. But when it comes to the nervous that. But when it comes to the nervous that. But when it comes to the nervous system, you got to be really careful. system, you got to be really careful. system, you got to be really careful. So, uh, some of that would be like data So, uh, some of that would be like data So, uh, some of that would be like data outputs, you know, whether it's force outputs, you know, whether it's force outputs, you know, whether it's force plates and we're looking at their plates and we're looking at their plates and we're looking at their counter movement jump and we're going to counter movement jump and we're going to counter movement jump and we're going to make decisions based on where we see make decisions based on where we see make decisions based on where we see them. Do they need extra rest? Do they them. Do they need extra rest? Do they them. Do they need extra rest? Do they need another day? Um, so that would be need another day? Um, so that would be need another day? Um, so that would be part of it would be the data collection. part of it would be the data collection. part of it would be the data collection. >> Would you do that? Like, okay, so we >> Would you do that? Like, okay, so we >> Would you do that? Like, okay, so we you're I'm an athlete. I'm training with you're I'm an athlete. I'm training with you're I'm an athlete. I'm training with you. We've been training for a while. you. We've been training for a while. you. We've been training for a while. When I first come in, is there a series When I first come in, is there a series When I first come in, is there a series of like real basic tests like that that of like real basic tests like that that of like real basic tests like that that you that you do to like kind of assess, you that you do to like kind of assess, you that you do to like kind of assess, okay, what what are those? okay, what what are those? okay, what what are those? >> Yeah, force plates. I mean, you know, we >> Yeah, force plates. I mean, you know, we >> Yeah, force plates. I mean, you know, we have some performance tests. We're have some performance tests. We're have some performance tests. We're always going to run like fly 10, you always going to run like fly 10, you always going to run like fly 10, you know, like a 20 yard build, a 10 yard know, like a 20 yard build, a 10 yard know, like a 20 yard build, a 10 yard fly, so we kind of know where their max fly, so we kind of know where their max fly, so we kind of know where their max velocity is. That's a huge indicator of velocity is. That's a huge indicator of velocity is. That's a huge indicator of kind of where they're at. Yeah. kind of where they're at. Yeah. kind of where they're at. Yeah. >> Um, now we obviously have to get to a >> Um, now we obviously have to get to a >> Um, now we obviously have to get to a place of warm up potentiation, run that place of warm up potentiation, run that place of warm up potentiation, run that fly rep, and now we know where they're fly rep, and now we know where they're fly rep, and now we know where they're at, and that might tell us what we're at, and that might tell us what we're at, and that might tell us what we're doing next, you know. So, you kind of, doing next, you know. So, you kind of, doing next, you know. So, you kind of, you kind of plan for the, you know, part you kind of plan for the, you know, part you kind of plan for the, you know, part of the session and then see where it's of the session and then see where it's of the session and then see where it's going to go from there. And then the going to go from there. And then the going to go from there. And then the force plates are another excellent tool force plates are another excellent tool force plates are another excellent tool to be able to, you know, get an to be able to, you know, get an to be able to, you know, get an assessment on a kid. You could do that assessment on a kid. You could do that assessment on a kid. You could do that almost daily. Um, I think sometimes if almost daily. Um, I think sometimes if almost daily. Um, I think sometimes if you go every day, it gets a little you go every day, it gets a little you go every day, it gets a little monotonous and the kids kind of stop, monotonous and the kids kind of stop, monotonous and the kids kind of stop, you know, putting into it. So, it'd be you know, putting into it. So, it'd be you know, putting into it. So, it'd be more of a maybe once a week, you're kind more of a maybe once a week, you're kind more of a maybe once a week, you're kind of just checking to see where they're of just checking to see where they're of just checking to see where they're at. Oh, they're, you know, they had four at. Oh, they're, you know, they had four at. Oh, they're, you know, they had four volleyball games this weekend. They volleyball games this weekend. They volleyball games this weekend. They jumped like dog [ __ ] on Monday. So, jumped like dog [ __ ] on Monday. So, jumped like dog [ __ ] on Monday. So, we're going to take a day off, maybe we're going to take a day off, maybe we're going to take a day off, maybe even an extra day off, and then we'll even an extra day off, and then we'll even an extra day off, and then we'll hit them hard on Wednesday. hit them hard on Wednesday. hit them hard on Wednesday. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I I love this cuz this is very >> So, I I love this cuz this is very >> So, I I love this cuz this is very similar to how we teach trainers to similar to how we teach trainers to similar to how we teach trainers to assess this with clients before they go assess this with clients before they go assess this with clients before they go into strength training. We use grip into strength training. We use grip into strength training. We use grip strength. strength. strength. >> Yep. Grip strength. >> Yep. Grip strength. >> Yep. Grip strength. >> So, it's like, yeah. See how they get a >> So, it's like, yeah. See how they get a >> So, it's like, yeah. See how they get a baseline, they're squeeze at this all baseline, they're squeeze at this all baseline, they're squeeze at this all the time. Oh, wow. They came in, they the time. Oh, wow. They came in, they the time. Oh, wow. They came in, they say they feel great, but then they're say they feel great, but then they're say they feel great, but then they're squeezing at 50% of what they normally squeezing at 50% of what they normally squeezing at 50% of what they normally do. Like, that's the day to to back it do. Like, that's the day to to back it do. Like, that's the day to to back it off. Very similar with like the force off. Very similar with like the force off. Very similar with like the force plate. plate. plate. >> Yeah. We we went down the the the last >> Yeah. We we went down the the the last >> Yeah. We we went down the the the last year we used a lot of Whoop data um and year we used a lot of Whoop data um and year we used a lot of Whoop data um and looked and studied that with our academy looked and studied that with our academy looked and studied that with our academy kids that we were working with and I kids that we were working with and I kids that we were working with and I mean mean mean >> how helpful was it >> how helpful was it >> how helpful was it >> or was it? It was it was valuable to see >> or was it? It was it was valuable to see >> or was it? It was it was valuable to see especially sleep indicators, right? Just especially sleep indicators, right? Just especially sleep indicators, right? Just to kind of know how kids were sleeping to kind of know how kids were sleeping to kind of know how kids were sleeping and how they were recovering. You know, and how they were recovering. You know, and how they were recovering. You know, you start to you definitely started to you start to you definitely started to you start to you definitely started to see trends, you know, now what we dealt see trends, you know, now what we dealt see trends, you know, now what we dealt with is, you know, we could make with is, you know, we could make with is, you know, we could make decisions on our end of things, but the decisions on our end of things, but the decisions on our end of things, but the sport wouldn't necessarily make sport wouldn't necessarily make sport wouldn't necessarily make adjustments, you know. So, now you're adjustments, you know. So, now you're adjustments, you know. So, now you're kind of battling in between that and kind of battling in between that and kind of battling in between that and trying to make sure they stay healthy. trying to make sure they stay healthy. trying to make sure they stay healthy. So, So, So, >> you know, one of the things the Soviets >> you know, one of the things the Soviets >> you know, one of the things the Soviets did really well, uh, was they would per did really well, uh, was they would per did really well, uh, was they would per I mean, they periodized and it was like, I mean, they periodized and it was like, I mean, they periodized and it was like, I don't care how you feel. This is D Lo I don't care how you feel. This is D Lo I don't care how you feel. This is D Lo and this is what we're doing. Whereas and this is what we're doing. Whereas and this is what we're doing. Whereas the US at that time was very much based the US at that time was very much based the US at that time was very much based off of let me just see what I can do and off of let me just see what I can do and off of let me just see what I can do and how I feel. How important is it for an how I feel. How important is it for an how I feel. How important is it for an athlete? athlete? athlete? >> I would imagine it's really important >> I would imagine it's really important >> I would imagine it's really important because the athletic mind especially at because the athletic mind especially at because the athletic mind especially at a high level uh I might not even a high level uh I might not even a high level uh I might not even perceive that I'm tired like a normal perceive that I'm tired like a normal perceive that I'm tired like a normal person cuz I just know how to push person cuz I just know how to push person cuz I just know how to push myself. myself. myself. >> How important is it like now we're >> How important is it like now we're >> How important is it like now we're following this routine. I don't care following this routine. I don't care following this routine. I don't care what you say. what you say. what you say. >> It's it's huge. It's huge because to >> It's it's huge. It's huge because to >> It's it's huge. It's huge because to your point like all those highle guys your point like all those highle guys your point like all those highle guys that I get to work with they they don't that I get to work with they they don't that I get to work with they they don't they never think they're tired. Like they never think they're tired. Like they never think they're tired. Like they they want to go full till all the they they want to go full till all the they they want to go full till all the time. And so you really have to do a time. And so you really have to do a time. And so you really have to do a good job of like, you know, I usually go good job of like, you know, I usually go good job of like, you know, I usually go in like a four-week block where we kind in like a four-week block where we kind in like a four-week block where we kind of have like, you know, you know, light of have like, you know, you know, light of have like, you know, you know, light week, medium, heavy week, and then we week, medium, heavy week, and then we week, medium, heavy week, and then we come back down to a light week and we come back down to a light week and we come back down to a light week and we keep undulating that, you know, in the keep undulating that, you know, in the keep undulating that, you know, in the offseason just because if you just keep offseason just because if you just keep offseason just because if you just keep going, they'll just keep coming with going, they'll just keep coming with going, they'll just keep coming with you, which eventually ends to a, you you, which eventually ends to a, you you, which eventually ends to a, you know, an injury. And with those guys, know, an injury. And with those guys, know, an injury. And with those guys, they don't need to be really fully ready they don't need to be really fully ready they don't need to be really fully ready until September. Like, if we're being until September. Like, if we're being until September. Like, if we're being honest, you know, and I'm training a guy honest, you know, and I'm training a guy honest, you know, and I'm training a guy in March, I mean, how ready does he need in March, I mean, how ready does he need in March, I mean, how ready does he need to be for OTAAS if he's a year seven to be for OTAAS if he's a year seven to be for OTAAS if he's a year seven guy? guy? guy? >> Yeah. Yeah. you know, we want them >> Yeah. Yeah. you know, we want them >> Yeah. Yeah. you know, we want them healthy enough and ready enough, but healthy enough and ready enough, but healthy enough and ready enough, but then we're going to come back in the then we're going to come back in the then we're going to come back in the summer and really give them kind of a summer and really give them kind of a summer and really give them kind of a final ramp up into their season, which final ramp up into their season, which final ramp up into their season, which is when it matters. is when it matters. is when it matters. >> When does it take like at what point in >> When does it take like at what point in >> When does it take like at what point in the like the training cycle with the the like the training cycle with the the like the training cycle with the athlete do you get that kind of full athlete do you get that kind of full athlete do you get that kind of full like I relating it to what we do, right? like I relating it to what we do, right? like I relating it to what we do, right? >> So, like there's a lot of times where >> So, like there's a lot of times where >> So, like there's a lot of times where I'm telling a client like, you know, I I'm telling a client like, you know, I I'm telling a client like, you know, I want you to do this and do that and want you to do this and do that and want you to do this and do that and they're like skeptical as [ __ ] like I they're like skeptical as [ __ ] like I they're like skeptical as [ __ ] like I feel like I can do more. I feel like I'm feel like I can do more. I feel like I'm feel like I can do more. I feel like I'm eating too. all these things and then eating too. all these things and then eating too. all these things and then the the the aha moment is they hit a PR, the the the aha moment is they hit a PR, the the the aha moment is they hit a PR, body fat percentage goes down like and body fat percentage goes down like and body fat percentage goes down like and then it's like, okay, now they're bought then it's like, okay, now they're bought then it's like, okay, now they're bought in, they'll do. What does that look like in, they'll do. What does that look like in, they'll do. What does that look like in the athletic world? Like what is what in the athletic world? Like what is what in the athletic world? Like what is what is that? Cuz I'm sure you get guys are is that? Cuz I'm sure you get guys are is that? Cuz I'm sure you get guys are like, I could do more and this is not like, I could do more and this is not like, I could do more and this is not enough. enough. enough. >> Are you kidding me? I've spent 30 years >> Are you kidding me? I've spent 30 years >> Are you kidding me? I've spent 30 years defending what I do to, you know, defending what I do to, you know, defending what I do to, you know, especially the higherend athlete. You especially the higherend athlete. You especially the higherend athlete. You know, it doesn't matter if it's a pro or know, it doesn't matter if it's a pro or know, it doesn't matter if it's a pro or just a really good high school kid and, just a really good high school kid and, just a really good high school kid and, >> you know, that that kid's got a dad in >> you know, that that kid's got a dad in >> you know, that that kid's got a dad in his ear or a mom in her ear and, you his ear or a mom in her ear and, you his ear or a mom in her ear and, you know, so you're always kind of having to know, so you're always kind of having to know, so you're always kind of having to justify what that what that does and justify what that what that does and justify what that what that does and looks like. I think the, you know, looks like. I think the, you know, looks like. I think the, you know, success leaves clues. I think, you know, success leaves clues. I think, you know, success leaves clues. I think, you know, and I'm certain that you get a lot less and I'm certain that you get a lot less and I'm certain that you get a lot less questions than some of your junior questions than some of your junior questions than some of your junior trainers. You know, I I think I'm trainers. You know, I I think I'm trainers. You know, I I think I'm probably similar in that I don't get as probably similar in that I don't get as probably similar in that I don't get as many questions anymore, but when I was many questions anymore, but when I was many questions anymore, but when I was young, I felt like I had to justify young, I felt like I had to justify young, I felt like I had to justify everything and here here's what we're everything and here here's what we're everything and here here's what we're going to do and here's why we're going going to do and here's why we're going going to do and here's why we're going to do it. But then after, you know, few to do it. But then after, you know, few to do it. But then after, you know, few state titles, a few NFL players of the state titles, a few NFL players of the state titles, a few NFL players of the year, a few, you know, people stop year, a few, you know, people stop year, a few, you know, people stop asking. asking. asking. >> Yeah, you don't get that question now. >> Yeah, you don't get that question now. >> Yeah, you don't get that question now. I'm sure you don't get that at all. But I'm sure you don't get that at all. But I'm sure you don't get that at all. But >> but if I get a new client, you know, >> but if I get a new client, you know, >> but if I get a new client, you know, like I mean, I worked with a couple new like I mean, I worked with a couple new like I mean, I worked with a couple new clients this year. some big names and clients this year. some big names and clients this year. some big names and they, you know, they were like, "It's they, you know, they were like, "It's they, you know, they were like, "It's different than what he's done before. different than what he's done before. different than what he's done before. So, I got to start with the re-education So, I got to start with the re-education So, I got to start with the re-education process all over again." Like, "Here's process all over again." Like, "Here's process all over again." Like, "Here's why we're doing it. Here's how it's why we're doing it. Here's how it's why we're doing it. Here's how it's going to go. Here's what you can going to go. Here's what you can going to go. Here's what you can expect." Yeah. expect." Yeah. expect." Yeah. >> And you, you know, you kind of have to >> And you, you know, you kind of have to >> And you, you know, you kind of have to have that on the tip of your tongue with have that on the tip of your tongue with have that on the tip of your tongue with those guys cuz they're, you know, those guys cuz they're, you know, those guys cuz they're, you know, they're multi-million dollar athletes. they're multi-million dollar athletes. they're multi-million dollar athletes. >> And what does it look like then? So, >> And what does it look like then? So, >> And what does it look like then? So, when so getting that reby in is it like when so getting that reby in is it like when so getting that reby in is it like is it the first time they see like a is it the first time they see like a is it the first time they see like a number where their speed is a little bit number where their speed is a little bit number where their speed is a little bit and they're like, "Oh, okay. I'm and they're like, "Oh, okay. I'm and they're like, "Oh, okay. I'm listening to this dude now." listening to this dude now." listening to this dude now." >> Yeah. Uh with the younger kids it's >> Yeah. Uh with the younger kids it's >> Yeah. Uh with the younger kids it's really easy because you get a lot of really easy because you get a lot of really easy because you get a lot of data and you get a lot of data influx data and you get a lot of data influx data and you get a lot of data influx when they start training their numbers when they start training their numbers when they start training their numbers just keep spiking right and that's just just keep spiking right and that's just just keep spiking right and that's just that young adaptable you know athlete that young adaptable you know athlete that young adaptable you know athlete the older athletes we're not necessarily the older athletes we're not necessarily the older athletes we're not necessarily looking to like you know an NFL guy in looking to like you know an NFL guy in looking to like you know an NFL guy in his fifth year isn't going to put 2 his fifth year isn't going to put 2 his fifth year isn't going to put 2 miles an hour on in the offseason it's miles an hour on in the offseason it's miles an hour on in the offseason it's not going to happen really it's more of not going to happen really it's more of not going to happen really it's more of how do they feel right like oh man my how do they feel right like oh man my how do they feel right like oh man my body feels good I feel light I feel like body feels good I feel light I feel like body feels good I feel light I feel like I can jump again I feel stable I feel so I can jump again I feel stable I feel so I can jump again I feel stable I feel so it's a lot of conversation just around it's a lot of conversation just around it's a lot of conversation just around how their bodies are feeling how their bodies are feeling how their bodies are feeling Um, which is massive. And, you know, Um, which is massive. And, you know, Um, which is massive. And, you know, that's again, we were talking a little that's again, we were talking a little that's again, we were talking a little bit about this earlier with the human bit about this earlier with the human bit about this earlier with the human approach to coaching. You got to have a approach to coaching. You got to have a approach to coaching. You got to have a lot of interaction. And it it can't all lot of interaction. And it it can't all lot of interaction. And it it can't all be done on a computer. It's not a be done on a computer. It's not a be done on a computer. It's not a spreadsheet thing, you know, and so we spreadsheet thing, you know, and so we spreadsheet thing, you know, and so we have to have to have to >> have a conversation, you know, what's >> have a conversation, you know, what's >> have a conversation, you know, what's your wellness feeling like? And then as your wellness feeling like? And then as your wellness feeling like? And then as they start to go, man, I now I now I see they start to go, man, I now I now I see they start to go, man, I now I now I see it. And then they'll have a rep, you it. And then they'll have a rep, you it. And then they'll have a rep, you know, where they run like maybe it's an know, where they run like maybe it's an know, where they run like maybe it's an acceleration, you know, rep and they're acceleration, you know, rep and they're acceleration, you know, rep and they're like, "Oh, that felt good." Yeah. And it like, "Oh, that felt good." Yeah. And it like, "Oh, that felt good." Yeah. And it looks good and we videoed it, you know, looks good and we videoed it, you know, looks good and we videoed it, you know, then that's the validation. then that's the validation. then that's the validation. >> That makes sense because thinking from a >> That makes sense because thinking from a >> That makes sense because thinking from a like you said, a pro athlete who's been like you said, a pro athlete who's been like you said, a pro athlete who's been doing this forever. It's like I'm not doing this forever. It's like I'm not doing this forever. It's like I'm not probably hitting PR times, vertical probably hitting PR times, vertical probably hitting PR times, vertical time, like like I'm not breaking any time, like like I'm not breaking any time, like like I'm not breaking any records, but I do know how I've been records, but I do know how I've been records, but I do know how I've been playing in the league for six years. I playing in the league for six years. I playing in the league for six years. I know what my body feels like when I've know what my body feels like when I've know what my body feels like when I've played a game and done this and like, played a game and done this and like, played a game and done this and like, "Oh [ __ ] I feel good." Yeah, "Oh [ __ ] I feel good." Yeah, "Oh [ __ ] I feel good." Yeah, >> like that's probably a big >> like that's probably a big >> like that's probably a big >> and a lot of it's just the the mind game >> and a lot of it's just the the mind game >> and a lot of it's just the the mind game of right they want to feel good right of right they want to feel good right of right they want to feel good right they want to be healthy enough they want they want to be healthy enough they want they want to be healthy enough they want to feel good and if we can just kind of to feel good and if we can just kind of to feel good and if we can just kind of get them back to like you know baseline get them back to like you know baseline get them back to like you know baseline we're in pretty good shape because a lot we're in pretty good shape because a lot we're in pretty good shape because a lot of those guys I mean they're in car of those guys I mean they're in car of those guys I mean they're in car accidents for 17 games and it's just accidents for 17 games and it's just accidents for 17 games and it's just kind of putting Humpty Dumpty back kind of putting Humpty Dumpty back kind of putting Humpty Dumpty back together again you know to get ready for together again you know to get ready for together again you know to get ready for otaas then get them back in the summer otaas then get them back in the summer otaas then get them back in the summer and now kind of you know spit polish it and now kind of you know spit polish it and now kind of you know spit polish it up before training camp up before training camp up before training camp >> is there is there a balance that when >> is there is there a balance that when >> is there is there a balance that when you're taking a high level athlete where you're taking a high level athlete where you're taking a high level athlete where you're seeing something biomechanically you're seeing something biomechanically you're seeing something biomechanically that you're like, "Ah, that you're like, "Ah, that you're like, "Ah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> I could work on that." However, they've >> I could work on that." However, they've >> I could work on that." However, they've been running that way for so long and been running that way for so long and been running that way for so long and they're so good at it they're so good at it they're so good at it >> that I'm afraid to correct that cuz it >> that I'm afraid to correct that cuz it >> that I'm afraid to correct that cuz it might actually slow them down because might actually slow them down because might actually slow them down because >> is there that balance that you got to >> is there that balance that you got to >> is there that balance that you got to play with? And how do you deal with that play with? And how do you deal with that play with? And how do you deal with that with that that with that high level with that that with that high level with that that with that high level athlete? athlete? athlete? >> Yeah, I think you do. I mean, I think >> Yeah, I think you do. I mean, I think >> Yeah, I think you do. I mean, I think there's certain things you have to there's certain things you have to there's certain things you have to address, right? I used like I worked address, right? I used like I worked address, right? I used like I worked with Saquon Barkley a couple years ago with Saquon Barkley a couple years ago with Saquon Barkley a couple years ago and we were out on the track and he and we were out on the track and he and we were out on the track and he looked at me and said, "Coach, all this looked at me and said, "Coach, all this looked at me and said, "Coach, all this stuff you're telling me, I think I've stuff you're telling me, I think I've stuff you're telling me, I think I've been running wrong my whole life." cuz been running wrong my whole life." cuz been running wrong my whole life." cuz he really was kind of a planter flex he really was kind of a planter flex he really was kind of a planter flex kind of a reacher guy but of course he kind of a reacher guy but of course he kind of a reacher guy but of course he overcomes it because he squats the whole overcomes it because he squats the whole overcomes it because he squats the whole studio you know I mean the guy's a studio you know I mean the guy's a studio you know I mean the guy's a monster monster monster >> but those are that was something I felt >> but those are that was something I felt >> but those are that was something I felt like I needed to address you know now like I needed to address you know now like I needed to address you know now are there other things that maybe you are there other things that maybe you are there other things that maybe you just like let go by the wayside and also just like let go by the wayside and also just like let go by the wayside and also too like I'm not a physiootherapist too like I'm not a physiootherapist too like I'm not a physiootherapist right I'm not necessarily looking at you right I'm not necessarily looking at you right I'm not necessarily looking at you know I usually have a partner with me if know I usually have a partner with me if know I usually have a partner with me if there's like some kind of internal there's like some kind of internal there's like some kind of internal external rotational problem and we got external rotational problem and we got external rotational problem and we got to work on some muscles that are shut on to work on some muscles that are shut on to work on some muscles that are shut on or off you might need some like manual or off you might need some like manual or off you might need some like manual therapy you know in you know interaction therapy you know in you know interaction therapy you know in you know interaction with that and that's not my you know with that and that's not my you know with that and that's not my you know that's not my forte necessarily. So you that's not my forte necessarily. So you that's not my forte necessarily. So you might have to work with somebody if it's might have to work with somebody if it's might have to work with somebody if it's really you know a small minute thing really you know a small minute thing really you know a small minute thing that needs to change. that needs to change. that needs to change. >> Do you have do you have like archetypes >> Do you have do you have like archetypes >> Do you have do you have like archetypes that you could kind of uh you know fall that you could kind of uh you know fall that you could kind of uh you know fall back on in terms of like okay this back on in terms of like okay this back on in terms of like okay this person looks like they're this uh for person looks like they're this uh for person looks like they're this uh for their running mechanics and then you can their running mechanics and then you can their running mechanics and then you can kind of sort of adjust their training in kind of sort of adjust their training in kind of sort of adjust their training in that direction or is it like pretty that direction or is it like pretty that direction or is it like pretty individual every person? individual every person? individual every person? >> Um I mean I think what I always say is >> Um I mean I think what I always say is >> Um I mean I think what I always say is like I feel like every athlete needs like I feel like every athlete needs like I feel like every athlete needs everything. It's just how much dosage, everything. It's just how much dosage, everything. It's just how much dosage, you know, it's like if we all made you know, it's like if we all made you know, it's like if we all made chili, at some point we'd all have kind chili, at some point we'd all have kind chili, at some point we'd all have kind of the same ingredients in there, but of the same ingredients in there, but of the same ingredients in there, but you might put more meat, you might put you might put more meat, you might put you might put more meat, you might put more beans, you might put more sauce, more beans, you might put more sauce, more beans, you might put more sauce, you know, or whatever it is. So, I think you know, or whatever it is. So, I think you know, or whatever it is. So, I think with athletes, it's very similar of, you with athletes, it's very similar of, you with athletes, it's very similar of, you know, but you might have like a really know, but you might have like a really know, but you might have like a really twitchy athlete that might not need as twitchy athlete that might not need as twitchy athlete that might not need as much neural exposure, but might need to much neural exposure, but might need to much neural exposure, but might need to just get stronger. So, we're going to just get stronger. So, we're going to just get stronger. So, we're going to tailor them with a little bit more tailor them with a little bit more tailor them with a little bit more weight room, you know, a little more weight room, you know, a little more weight room, you know, a little more concentric strength work. Uh, or there's concentric strength work. Uh, or there's concentric strength work. Uh, or there's an athlete that's just strong as heck an athlete that's just strong as heck an athlete that's just strong as heck and, you know, maybe doesn't react to and, you know, maybe doesn't react to and, you know, maybe doesn't react to the ground well. So, we're going to do a the ground well. So, we're going to do a the ground well. So, we're going to do a lot more RFD work and, you know, jumping lot more RFD work and, you know, jumping lot more RFD work and, you know, jumping and plyometric work. Yeah, it all gets and plyometric work. Yeah, it all gets and plyometric work. Yeah, it all gets individual. individual. individual. >> Give me the best strength training >> Give me the best strength training >> Give me the best strength training exercises that you've seen for speed. exercises that you've seen for speed. exercises that you've seen for speed. Uh, and are they different for young Uh, and are they different for young Uh, and are they different for young athletes versus older athletes? athletes versus older athletes? athletes versus older athletes? >> Uh, no, I don't think so. I mean, I >> Uh, no, I don't think so. I mean, I >> Uh, no, I don't think so. I mean, I think some of the top concentric lifts I think some of the top concentric lifts I think some of the top concentric lifts I like are trap bar deadlift. Um, safe, like are trap bar deadlift. Um, safe, like are trap bar deadlift. Um, safe, easy, you know, touches seven different easy, you know, touches seven different easy, you know, touches seven different muscle groups, really kind of mimics muscle groups, really kind of mimics muscle groups, really kind of mimics some of the positions you're pushing some of the positions you're pushing some of the positions you're pushing into the ground. I like that a lot. I into the ground. I like that a lot. I into the ground. I like that a lot. I think box squat is awesome. um you know think box squat is awesome. um you know think box squat is awesome. um you know where you get to break concentric where you get to break concentric where you get to break concentric eentric chain and uh concentrating on eentric chain and uh concentrating on eentric chain and uh concentrating on both of those both heavy but also in both of those both heavy but also in both of those both heavy but also in velocity. So making sure that you're velocity. So making sure that you're velocity. So making sure that you're lifting a little bit lighter weight but lifting a little bit lighter weight but lifting a little bit lighter weight but but fast. Um and then like overcoming but fast. Um and then like overcoming but fast. Um and then like overcoming ISOs, you know, like a split squat ISOs, you know, like a split squat ISOs, you know, like a split squat lunge. Um you know, getting in there for lunge. Um you know, getting in there for lunge. Um you know, getting in there for 10 seconds and and really fire in there. 10 seconds and and really fire in there. 10 seconds and and really fire in there. That's a fast twitch movement. Even That's a fast twitch movement. Even That's a fast twitch movement. Even though you're not actually moving, the though you're not actually moving, the though you're not actually moving, the brain has to operate at such a high brain has to operate at such a high brain has to operate at such a high level to hold you in place. And this is level to hold you in place. And this is level to hold you in place. And this is when you're like pressing into something when you're like pressing into something when you're like pressing into something that is not moving and you're just that is not moving and you're just that is not moving and you're just driving it. How how often do you use driving it. How how often do you use driving it. How how often do you use isometrics? I the data on isometrics isometrics? I the data on isometrics isometrics? I the data on isometrics >> is wild. It's crazy to me how little >> is wild. It's crazy to me how little >> is wild. It's crazy to me how little they're used they're used they're used >> in traditional strength training. I mean >> in traditional strength training. I mean >> in traditional strength training. I mean evangelist forever. evangelist forever. evangelist forever. >> The strength gains that you see in the >> The strength gains that you see in the >> The strength gains that you see in the data actually there's faster strength data actually there's faster strength data actually there's faster strength gains in in the first few weeks as isome gains in in the first few weeks as isome gains in in the first few weeks as isome anything else. anything else. anything else. >> So you say to use them every single day. >> So you say to use them every single day. >> So you say to use them every single day. >> Yeah. Every day >> Yeah. Every day >> Yeah. Every day >> and and they're a part they're always a >> and and they're a part they're always a >> and and they're a part they're always a part of someone's routine and part of someone's routine and part of someone's routine and >> Yep. Exactly. What are the benefits? >> Yep. Exactly. What are the benefits? >> Yep. Exactly. What are the benefits? There's there's yielding, there's There's there's yielding, there's There's there's yielding, there's there's overcoming, there's there's, you there's overcoming, there's there's, you there's overcoming, there's there's, you know, um extensive isometrics, you know, know, um extensive isometrics, you know, know, um extensive isometrics, you know, long long duration, 1 minute, 3 minutes long long duration, 1 minute, 3 minutes long long duration, 1 minute, 3 minutes kind of stuff. Uh but, you know, if like kind of stuff. Uh but, you know, if like kind of stuff. Uh but, you know, if like kind of to potentiate the session, we'll kind of to potentiate the session, we'll kind of to potentiate the session, we'll get in and do like a 10-second get in and do like a 10-second get in and do like a 10-second isometric, you know, overcoming. isometric, you know, overcoming. isometric, you know, overcoming. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> and that in the beginning, >> and that in the beginning, >> and that in the beginning, >> in the beginning. >> in the beginning. >> in the beginning. >> Okay. So, you set the routine up with >> Okay. So, you set the routine up with >> Okay. So, you set the routine up with that once they're warm that once they're warm that once they're warm >> up because there's really low residual, >> up because there's really low residual, >> up because there's really low residual, right? You don't get really sore from right? You don't get really sore from right? You don't get really sore from isometric. There's not a lot of fatigue isometric. There's not a lot of fatigue isometric. There's not a lot of fatigue on the back end. Uh but you can really on the back end. Uh but you can really on the back end. Uh but you can really get the system going. And then we'll get the system going. And then we'll get the system going. And then we'll usually pair that with like a usually pair that with like a usually pair that with like a plyometric, some kind of altitude drop plyometric, some kind of altitude drop plyometric, some kind of altitude drop or a, you know, box jump or something or a, you know, box jump or something or a, you know, box jump or something like that. Then we'll start to get into like that. Then we'll start to get into like that. Then we'll start to get into more of the concentric, you know, heavy more of the concentric, you know, heavy more of the concentric, you know, heavy trap bar deadlift, pair that with a trap bar deadlift, pair that with a trap bar deadlift, pair that with a vertical jump, something like that. vertical jump, something like that. vertical jump, something like that. >> You know what's wild about isometrics is >> You know what's wild about isometrics is >> You know what's wild about isometrics is that was like a bodybuilder staple for a that was like a bodybuilder staple for a that was like a bodybuilder staple for a long time and then you just stopped long time and then you just stopped long time and then you just stopped >> doing them. And my theory is they just >> doing them. And my theory is they just >> doing them. And my theory is they just look boring. I think look boring. I think look boring. I think >> that's a thing. They're not very sexy. >> that's a thing. They're not very sexy. >> that's a thing. They're not very sexy. >> Yeah. I say they are a little boring. I >> Yeah. I say they are a little boring. I >> Yeah. I say they are a little boring. I mean, but also you don't do an Instagram mean, but also you don't do an Instagram mean, but also you don't do an Instagram post with it. It's like here's me post with it. It's like here's me post with it. It's like here's me pushing into something that's pushing into something that's pushing into something that's >> for 10 seconds. Just keep watching. >> for 10 seconds. Just keep watching. >> for 10 seconds. Just keep watching. >> Yeah. Yeah, they're hard effective and >> Yeah. Yeah, they're hard effective and >> Yeah. Yeah, they're hard effective and and safe. You know, it's just like it's and safe. You know, it's just like it's and safe. You know, it's just like it's stressed enough. stressed enough. stressed enough. >> There's there's such great results for >> There's there's such great results for >> There's there's such great results for tendons and ligaments as well. Like, and tendons and ligaments as well. Like, and tendons and ligaments as well. Like, and that's another reason we'd use them. that's another reason we'd use them. that's another reason we'd use them. That's why I say they're going to be in That's why I say they're going to be in That's why I say they're going to be in there every day cuz even if we're not there every day cuz even if we're not there every day cuz even if we're not doing it for like a strength exposure, doing it for like a strength exposure, doing it for like a strength exposure, we're going to hit it for some kind of we're going to hit it for some kind of we're going to hit it for some kind of like tendon tissue, you know, health. like tendon tissue, you know, health. like tendon tissue, you know, health. Cuz if you get into like just a split Cuz if you get into like just a split Cuz if you get into like just a split split iso lunge, um your your patella split iso lunge, um your your patella split iso lunge, um your your patella knee pain will like go away. knee pain will like go away. knee pain will like go away. >> Yeah. What are some of the biggest >> Yeah. What are some of the biggest >> Yeah. What are some of the biggest changes you've seen in athletic training changes you've seen in athletic training changes you've seen in athletic training over the last few decades? Cuz you've over the last few decades? Cuz you've over the last few decades? Cuz you've been doing this for a while. I have. been doing this for a while. I have. been doing this for a while. I have. What are the big like groundbreaking What are the big like groundbreaking What are the big like groundbreaking like changes or switches that you know like changes or switches that you know like changes or switches that you know now you see? now you see? now you see? >> I I think I got asked that the other >> I I think I got asked that the other >> I I think I got asked that the other day. I think what I've seen is like full day. I think what I've seen is like full day. I think what I've seen is like full circle. I really feel like you know my circle. I really feel like you know my circle. I really feel like you know my dad was a strength coach back in the day dad was a strength coach back in the day dad was a strength coach back in the day and he was big with you know watching and he was big with you know watching and he was big with you know watching Boyd Epley and Husker Power and kind of Boyd Epley and Husker Power and kind of Boyd Epley and Husker Power and kind of that you know whole scene and a lot of that you know whole scene and a lot of that you know whole scene and a lot of it was influenced by the Soviets. Well, it was influenced by the Soviets. Well, it was influenced by the Soviets. Well, that's kind of what I learned. And then, that's kind of what I learned. And then, that's kind of what I learned. And then, you know, here we are 30 years later and you know, here we are 30 years later and you know, here we are 30 years later and I feel like it's all coming back to some I feel like it's all coming back to some I feel like it's all coming back to some of that very same stuff. And we we went of that very same stuff. And we we went of that very same stuff. And we we went like functional training and, you know, like functional training and, you know, like functional training and, you know, all these different all these different all these different >> I feel like it follow the same for our >> I feel like it follow the same for our >> I feel like it follow the same for our space. space. space. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Yeah. I feel like the stuff we talk >> Yeah. I feel like the stuff we talk >> Yeah. I feel like the stuff we talk about now is like the most basic [ __ ] about now is like the most basic [ __ ] about now is like the most basic [ __ ] that we knew 30 years ago. that we knew 30 years ago. that we knew 30 years ago. >> I think I think the thing nowadays is >> I think I think the thing nowadays is >> I think I think the thing nowadays is like there's so much access to like there's so much access to like there's so much access to information that it's just like flooded information that it's just like flooded information that it's just like flooded and now it's just cutting through the and now it's just cutting through the and now it's just cutting through the noise and and figuring out what really noise and and figuring out what really noise and and figuring out what really works, you And but if you look back and works, you And but if you look back and works, you And but if you look back and go, you know, hey, here's what I did go, you know, hey, here's what I did go, you know, hey, here's what I did with, you know, Christian, you know, a with, you know, Christian, you know, a with, you know, Christian, you know, a couple years ago, that seemed to work couple years ago, that seemed to work couple years ago, that seemed to work really well. Kid had a, you know, really well. Kid had a, you know, really well. Kid had a, you know, phenomenal season. And then I look back phenomenal season. And then I look back phenomenal season. And then I look back at, you know, what they were doing in at, you know, what they were doing in at, you know, what they were doing in the 70s with the Soviets. I'm like, the 70s with the Soviets. I'm like, the 70s with the Soviets. I'm like, there's a lot of things that are common there's a lot of things that are common there's a lot of things that are common in there, you know. in there, you know. in there, you know. >> So, I mean, you got to be strong, you >> So, I mean, you got to be strong, you >> So, I mean, you got to be strong, you got to be fast, you got to, you know, got to be fast, you got to, you know, got to be fast, you got to, you know, rest and recover. rest and recover. rest and recover. >> What was wrong with the functional quote >> What was wrong with the functional quote >> What was wrong with the functional quote unquote stuff that was real popular like unquote stuff that was real popular like unquote stuff that was real popular like in the late 90s, early 2000s, you know, in the late 90s, early 2000s, you know, in the late 90s, early 2000s, you know, when you're standing on like balance when you're standing on like balance when you're standing on like balance boards and physio? boards and physio? boards and physio? I just think it lacked a little bit of I just think it lacked a little bit of I just think it lacked a little bit of like um that exposure to concentric like um that exposure to concentric like um that exposure to concentric strength, you know, like I I still think strength, you know, like I I still think strength, you know, like I I still think that, you know, again, it's the lowest that, you know, again, it's the lowest that, you know, again, it's the lowest hanging fruit. If a kid gets strong, an hanging fruit. If a kid gets strong, an hanging fruit. If a kid gets strong, an athlete gets stronger, they're going to athlete gets stronger, they're going to athlete gets stronger, they're going to move better, they're going to run move better, they're going to run move better, they're going to run faster. Um, you know, unfortunately that faster. Um, you know, unfortunately that faster. Um, you know, unfortunately that it's not the only thing. It can't stop it's not the only thing. It can't stop it's not the only thing. It can't stop there. But I still think that's got to there. But I still think that's got to there. But I still think that's got to be a part of the program. And so, I be a part of the program. And so, I be a part of the program. And so, I think functional training just kind of think functional training just kind of think functional training just kind of took that out of there. You know, oh, took that out of there. You know, oh, took that out of there. You know, oh, we're not going to back squat. We're not we're not going to back squat. We're not we're not going to back squat. We're not going to, you know, pick up dead heavy going to, you know, pick up dead heavy going to, you know, pick up dead heavy deadlift cuz it's dangerous and deadlift cuz it's dangerous and deadlift cuz it's dangerous and everything. Well, you know, there everything. Well, you know, there everything. Well, you know, there there's some things that bulletproof you there's some things that bulletproof you there's some things that bulletproof you by picking up heavy deadlift, you know, by picking up heavy deadlift, you know, by picking up heavy deadlift, you know, strong low back, you know, glutes, like strong low back, you know, glutes, like strong low back, you know, glutes, like all the things that are good about sport all the things that are good about sport all the things that are good about sport that you got to have that in there. that you got to have that in there. that you got to have that in there. >> What what kind of young athletes are >> What what kind of young athletes are >> What what kind of young athletes are typically brought to you? I'm imagining typically brought to you? I'm imagining typically brought to you? I'm imagining they're very motivated and the parents they're very motivated and the parents they're very motivated and the parents are super into it. are super into it. are super into it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is it harder to train the kid or is it >> Is it harder to train the kid or is it >> Is it harder to train the kid or is it harder to work with the parents when harder to work with the parents when harder to work with the parents when you're dealing with that? you're dealing with that? you're dealing with that? >> Um, you know, we haven't really had bad >> Um, you know, we haven't really had bad >> Um, you know, we haven't really had bad experience with parents. I mean, I I experience with parents. I mean, I I experience with parents. I mean, I I think sometimes, you know, think sometimes, you know, think sometimes, you know, >> you've got so much authority, I'm >> you've got so much authority, I'm >> you've got so much authority, I'm assuming they'd be like, you go take assuming they'd be like, you go take assuming they'd be like, you go take care. care. care. >> Yeah. And even my staff, you know, like >> Yeah. And even my staff, you know, like >> Yeah. And even my staff, you know, like I've been out of the building now for I've been out of the building now for I've been out of the building now for call it 18 months and they're thriving. call it 18 months and they're thriving. call it 18 months and they're thriving. And I think our coaches have a great And I think our coaches have a great And I think our coaches have a great understanding of what relationship looks understanding of what relationship looks understanding of what relationship looks like. And we just haven't had a lot of like. And we just haven't had a lot of like. And we just haven't had a lot of overbearing. You know, parents get a bad overbearing. You know, parents get a bad overbearing. You know, parents get a bad rap these days, I feel like, right? Oh, rap these days, I feel like, right? Oh, rap these days, I feel like, right? Oh, this dad, I have this mom or this psycho this dad, I have this mom or this psycho this dad, I have this mom or this psycho dad or whatever. And I mean, they dad or whatever. And I mean, they dad or whatever. And I mean, they they're obviously they've they've they're obviously they've they've they're obviously they've they've invested in their kid. They want them to invested in their kid. They want them to invested in their kid. They want them to come get great training. I think, you come get great training. I think, you come get great training. I think, you know, how the trainer interacts with the know, how the trainer interacts with the know, how the trainer interacts with the kid makes a huge difference. And that, kid makes a huge difference. And that, kid makes a huge difference. And that, you know, the kids show up and work you know, the kids show up and work you know, the kids show up and work hard. And I think because they're hard. And I think because they're hard. And I think because they're they're paying for a service, so they they're paying for a service, so they they're paying for a service, so they they want to be there. It's not like they want to be there. It's not like they want to be there. It's not like they drop them off and have to be there, they drop them off and have to be there, they drop them off and have to be there, you know, which I think is usually where you know, which I think is usually where you know, which I think is usually where problems start. problems start. problems start. >> So I don't think we've had really >> So I don't think we've had really >> So I don't think we've had really problems with either to be honest with problems with either to be honest with problems with either to be honest with you. you. you. >> Is there any type of training uh that >> Is there any type of training uh that >> Is there any type of training uh that you that can be done to help prevent you that can be done to help prevent you that can be done to help prevent head injury? Uh cuz that's such a that's head injury? Uh cuz that's such a that's head injury? Uh cuz that's such a that's such a such a such a >> a known thing now. I mean, I remember >> a known thing now. I mean, I remember >> a known thing now. I mean, I remember reading data on soccer players even CTE. reading data on soccer players even CTE. reading data on soccer players even CTE. And is there anything that people can do And is there anything that people can do And is there anything that people can do trainingwise to help prevent that from trainingwise to help prevent that from trainingwise to help prevent that from is it like strengthen I know boxers for is it like strengthen I know boxers for is it like strengthen I know boxers for a long time strengthen their neck. Is a long time strengthen their neck. Is a long time strengthen their neck. Is there any truth to that? there any truth to that? there any truth to that? >> Yeah. No, I definitely think so. I mean, >> Yeah. No, I definitely think so. I mean, >> Yeah. No, I definitely think so. I mean, there's some things you just can't help, there's some things you just can't help, there's some things you just can't help, right? Like if you're a NFL guy and you right? Like if you're a NFL guy and you right? Like if you're a NFL guy and you know, you get hit, you know, back of the know, you get hit, you know, back of the know, you get hit, you know, back of the head, hit the turf, that it's going to head, hit the turf, that it's going to head, hit the turf, that it's going to happen. But I guess if your neck's a happen. But I guess if your neck's a happen. But I guess if your neck's a little stronger and you can lighten the little stronger and you can lighten the little stronger and you can lighten the impact because you're you're strong in impact because you're you're strong in impact because you're you're strong in your, you know, your neck and your upper your, you know, your neck and your upper your, you know, your neck and your upper chest, that's probably the way to go. I chest, that's probably the way to go. I chest, that's probably the way to go. I don't spend a ton of time on that, you don't spend a ton of time on that, you don't spend a ton of time on that, you know, necessarily with even with my know, necessarily with even with my know, necessarily with even with my football players. Um, we'll do some neck football players. Um, we'll do some neck football players. Um, we'll do some neck exercises, but uh, yeah, I think exercises, but uh, yeah, I think exercises, but uh, yeah, I think sometimes a little bit unavoidable. My sometimes a little bit unavoidable. My sometimes a little bit unavoidable. My daughter was a college soccer player and daughter was a college soccer player and daughter was a college soccer player and and she had I don't know how many and she had I don't know how many and she had I don't know how many concussions from just even heading the concussions from just even heading the concussions from just even heading the ball, let alone, you know, headto-head ball, let alone, you know, headto-head ball, let alone, you know, headto-head with another, you know, another athlete. with another, you know, another athlete. with another, you know, another athlete. >> Yeah. So, a lot of the focus is speed. >> Yeah. So, a lot of the focus is speed. >> Yeah. So, a lot of the focus is speed. Let's make you run fast, which has got Let's make you run fast, which has got Let's make you run fast, which has got greatest carryover for greatest carryover for greatest carryover for >> Well, it it's the I mean, I I really >> Well, it it's the I mean, I I really >> Well, it it's the I mean, I I really think it can make it can be like a, you think it can make it can be like a, you think it can make it can be like a, you know, cover a multitude of sins. know, cover a multitude of sins. know, cover a multitude of sins. >> When you're fast, you can almost keep >> When you're fast, you can almost keep >> When you're fast, you can almost keep yourself out of trouble, right? It's yourself out of trouble, right? It's yourself out of trouble, right? It's like it's like when you, you know, for like it's like when you, you know, for like it's like when you, you know, for collisions, right? You're accelerating collisions, right? You're accelerating collisions, right? You're accelerating through it. through it. through it. >> Yeah. And and or or don't have as many >> Yeah. And and or or don't have as many >> Yeah. And and or or don't have as many collisions cuz you're really fast. collisions cuz you're really fast. collisions cuz you're really fast. >> Something. >> Something. >> Something. >> Well, you you brought up Seaquan and >> Well, you you brought up Seaquan and >> Well, you you brought up Seaquan and Christian. You've trained so many great Christian. You've trained so many great Christian. You've trained so many great athletes. athletes. athletes. >> Uh do you do you get impressed still >> Uh do you do you get impressed still >> Uh do you do you get impressed still >> and and and take me through some like >> and and and take me through some like >> and and and take me through some like moments of like, you know, like I can moments of like, you know, like I can moments of like, you know, like I can only imagine first time working with only imagine first time working with only imagine first time working with Christian or Saquon and they did Christian or Saquon and they did Christian or Saquon and they did something you're like, "Holy shit." something you're like, "Holy shit." something you're like, "Holy shit." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Like I want to hear stories like that of >> Like I want to hear stories like that of >> Like I want to hear stories like that of like moments in your career like like moments in your career like like moments in your career like athletes which athletes have impressed athletes which athletes have impressed athletes which athletes have impressed you like that. you like that. you like that. >> Well you guys know I I mean worked with >> Well you guys know I I mean worked with >> Well you guys know I I mean worked with Christian when he was in high school and Christian when he was in high school and Christian when he was in high school and I mean from the time he was a freshman I mean from the time he was a freshman I mean from the time he was a freshman sophomore in high school he was doing sophomore in high school he was doing sophomore in high school he was doing things where it was you know like did things where it was you know like did things where it was you know like did that just happen like that kid's going that just happen like that kid's going that just happen like that kid's going to play on Sundays you know as a to play on Sundays you know as a to play on Sundays you know as a 16-year-old. 16-year-old. 16-year-old. >> Did you feel that like the moment you >> Did you feel that like the moment you >> Did you feel that like the moment you met him? Like the first time you seen met him? Like the first time you seen met him? Like the first time you seen him move or do something? I mean, I him move or do something? I mean, I him move or do something? I mean, I watched him play eighth grade football watched him play eighth grade football watched him play eighth grade football and an eighth grade basketball game. And and an eighth grade basketball game. And and an eighth grade basketball game. And I I mean, I watched him dunk a I I mean, I watched him dunk a I I mean, I watched him dunk a basketball in eighth grade at like 5 10 basketball in eighth grade at like 5 10 basketball in eighth grade at like 5 10 white. white. white. >> Yeah, that's not that's not common. >> Yeah, that's not that's not common. >> Yeah, that's not that's not common. >> He was different, you know, definitely >> He was different, you know, definitely >> He was different, you know, definitely different. And then and then paired with different. And then and then paired with different. And then and then paired with that was his mentality of, you know, I that was his mentality of, you know, I that was his mentality of, you know, I want to be the best. And he did want to be the best. And he did want to be the best. And he did everything that he possibly could do to everything that he possibly could do to everything that he possibly could do to be the best. And now we have the best. be the best. And now we have the best. be the best. And now we have the best. So, uh, yeah, he was different. I mean, So, uh, yeah, he was different. I mean, So, uh, yeah, he was different. I mean, I think I I worked with Saquon a little I think I I worked with Saquon a little I think I I worked with Saquon a little bit in the weight room a couple days and bit in the weight room a couple days and bit in the weight room a couple days and it was just like I've really not been it was just like I've really not been it was just like I've really not been around somebody that was just that like around somebody that was just that like around somebody that was just that like naturally strong. naturally strong. naturally strong. >> So, that was, you know, he's kind of >> So, that was, you know, he's kind of >> So, that was, you know, he's kind of freaky. And, uh, this winter I got AJ freaky. And, uh, this winter I got AJ freaky. And, uh, this winter I got AJ Brown a little bit. Um, and that guy for Brown a little bit. Um, and that guy for Brown a little bit. Um, and that guy for as big as he is when he first, you know, as big as he is when he first, you know, as big as he is when he first, you know, started doing some speed stuff and the started doing some speed stuff and the started doing some speed stuff and the way he moved at 227 pounds or whatever way he moved at 227 pounds or whatever way he moved at 227 pounds or whatever weighs that much weighs that much weighs that much >> was >> was >> was >> wow. I mean, it was impressive. So, >> wow. I mean, it was impressive. So, >> wow. I mean, it was impressive. So, yeah, all those guys, I mean, Solomon yeah, all those guys, I mean, Solomon yeah, all those guys, I mean, Solomon Thomas, you guys remember Solomon Thomas, you guys remember Solomon Thomas, you guys remember Solomon Thomas? He was number three draft pick Thomas? He was number three draft pick Thomas? He was number three draft pick here with the 49ers back when Christian here with the 49ers back when Christian here with the 49ers back when Christian got drafted and got drafted and got drafted and >> um I mean I've seen that guy you know we >> um I mean I've seen that guy you know we >> um I mean I've seen that guy you know we do some gymnastica kind of stuff like on do some gymnastica kind of stuff like on do some gymnastica kind of stuff like on our Tuesday workouts and he he was with our Tuesday workouts and he he was with our Tuesday workouts and he he was with us training once and he's down on all us training once and he's down on all us training once and he's down on all fours kind of like moving around the fours kind of like moving around the fours kind of like moving around the room and I mean it was like the most room and I mean it was like the most room and I mean it was like the most fluid thing I've ever seen. He's 285 lbs fluid thing I've ever seen. He's 285 lbs fluid thing I've ever seen. He's 285 lbs just like moves like a cat. So yeah, all just like moves like a cat. So yeah, all just like moves like a cat. So yeah, all those guys have a level of those guys have a level of those guys have a level of impressiveness to them that you know impressiveness to them that you know impressiveness to them that you know they just move different. Now, when you they just move different. Now, when you they just move different. Now, when you like work with these guys, like do you like work with these guys, like do you like work with these guys, like do you really uh I mean, you're probably super really uh I mean, you're probably super really uh I mean, you're probably super busy, but do you still get the time to busy, but do you still get the time to busy, but do you still get the time to like sit and watch the game and watch like sit and watch the game and watch like sit and watch the game and watch like some of your work unfold? And like like some of your work unfold? And like like some of your work unfold? And like do you get you have an appreciation for do you get you have an appreciation for do you get you have an appreciation for that? that? that? >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> You see Saquon do a 360 over. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I taught him that, >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I taught him that, right? right? right? >> No, I only got to work with him for >> No, I only got to work with him for >> No, I only got to work with him for about a week, but uh I mean it was Yeah, about a week, but uh I mean it was Yeah, about a week, but uh I mean it was Yeah, it's I mean people ask me like, "Who's it's I mean people ask me like, "Who's it's I mean people ask me like, "Who's your favorite football team?" And I'm your favorite football team?" And I'm your favorite football team?" And I'm like, "Well, I'm kind of I'm a fan of like, "Well, I'm kind of I'm a fan of like, "Well, I'm kind of I'm a fan of the player, right? cuz when you spend a the player, right? cuz when you spend a the player, right? cuz when you spend a little bit of time with them, you know, little bit of time with them, you know, little bit of time with them, you know, I've spent, you know, a decade with I've spent, you know, a decade with I've spent, you know, a decade with Christian or more and some of those guys Christian or more and some of those guys Christian or more and some of those guys would come in for a week or two at a would come in for a week or two at a would come in for a week or two at a time. You're breaking bread with them. time. You're breaking bread with them. time. You're breaking bread with them. You're getting to know them and yeah, I You're getting to know them and yeah, I You're getting to know them and yeah, I mean, I can't wait to watch them play on mean, I can't wait to watch them play on mean, I can't wait to watch them play on Sundays. Even if they only get a few Sundays. Even if they only get a few Sundays. Even if they only get a few snaps or, you know, they're playing the snaps or, you know, they're playing the snaps or, you know, they're playing the whole game, I'm locked in. whole game, I'm locked in. whole game, I'm locked in. >> Yeah. Brian, we we we we probably have >> Yeah. Brian, we we we we probably have >> Yeah. Brian, we we we we probably have some some parents of female athletes and some some parents of female athletes and some some parents of female athletes and the rate of ACL tears or female athletes the rate of ACL tears or female athletes the rate of ACL tears or female athletes is significantly higher is significantly higher is significantly higher >> than with male athletes. Is there >> than with male athletes. Is there >> than with male athletes. Is there anything you you can do or that people anything you you can do or that people anything you you can do or that people can do or you do with your female can do or you do with your female can do or you do with your female athletes in particular to help prevent athletes in particular to help prevent athletes in particular to help prevent >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> that type of an injury? >> that type of an injury? >> that type of an injury? >> Yeah, you can. I mean, I think that's >> Yeah, you can. I mean, I think that's >> Yeah, you can. I mean, I think that's almost similar to the concussion deal of almost similar to the concussion deal of almost similar to the concussion deal of like when there's exposure, there's just like when there's exposure, there's just like when there's exposure, there's just going to be incident. And, you know, going to be incident. And, you know, going to be incident. And, you know, females have there's been a lot of females have there's been a lot of females have there's been a lot of research and study out there of just research and study out there of just research and study out there of just their their anatomy, right? Hips are a their their anatomy, right? Hips are a their their anatomy, right? Hips are a little wider than their knee base and so little wider than their knee base and so little wider than their knee base and so they, you know, tend to have that that they, you know, tend to have that that they, you know, tend to have that that angle that's not great for that. Um, angle that's not great for that. Um, angle that's not great for that. Um, menstrual cycle has a ton to do with ACL menstrual cycle has a ton to do with ACL menstrual cycle has a ton to do with ACL injuries. Oh, really? Oh, huge. injuries. Oh, really? Oh, huge. injuries. Oh, really? Oh, huge. >> Is it when they're what? uh when they're >> Is it when they're what? uh when they're >> Is it when they're what? uh when they're when they're on their cycle, it tends to when they're on their cycle, it tends to when they're on their cycle, it tends to be about I I'm I may misquote this so be about I I'm I may misquote this so be about I I'm I may misquote this so you can check into it for me, but I you can check into it for me, but I you can check into it for me, but I think it's over like 80% of when they think it's over like 80% of when they think it's over like 80% of when they tear their ACL are usually tear their ACL are usually tear their ACL are usually >> interesting. And now that probably >> interesting. And now that probably >> interesting. And now that probably connected to I was going to say connected to I was going to say connected to I was going to say hormones, sleep, and recovery. I would hormones, sleep, and recovery. I would hormones, sleep, and recovery. I would think those three factors play uh in think those three factors play uh in think those three factors play uh in into that, right? into that, right? into that, right? >> Which is, you know, it's it's it's nice >> Which is, you know, it's it's it's nice >> Which is, you know, it's it's it's nice to know, but like how do you deal with to know, but like how do you deal with to know, but like how do you deal with it? That that's like, oh, we got a it? That that's like, oh, we got a it? That that's like, oh, we got a playoff game and I'm, you know, I'm on playoff game and I'm, you know, I'm on playoff game and I'm, you know, I'm on my period. Well, you're you're going to my period. Well, you're you're going to my period. Well, you're you're going to play anyway probably. So, you know, now play anyway probably. So, you know, now play anyway probably. So, you know, now there are some exercises and stuff there are some exercises and stuff there are some exercises and stuff though to prevent some knee vulgus and though to prevent some knee vulgus and though to prevent some knee vulgus and make sure they have really good, you make sure they have really good, you make sure they have really good, you know, external hip rotation and stuff to know, external hip rotation and stuff to know, external hip rotation and stuff to keep things strong and in alignment, keep things strong and in alignment, keep things strong and in alignment, which would be helpful. Um, but a lot of which would be helpful. Um, but a lot of which would be helpful. Um, but a lot of the stuff you see is even non-cont, the stuff you see is even non-cont, the stuff you see is even non-cont, which nec, you know, isn't necessarily which nec, you know, isn't necessarily which nec, you know, isn't necessarily like a strength issue or whatever. like a strength issue or whatever. like a strength issue or whatever. They're just, you know, hormones are They're just, you know, hormones are They're just, you know, hormones are >> Yeah. Exactly. So, lot of exposures, you >> Yeah. Exactly. So, lot of exposures, you >> Yeah. Exactly. So, lot of exposures, you know, to those, you know, the the know, to those, you know, the the know, to those, you know, the the deceleration, the eccentric loading. deceleration, the eccentric loading. deceleration, the eccentric loading. >> Let's get their body good at doing the >> Let's get their body good at doing the >> Let's get their body good at doing the things that tend to cause injury. things that tend to cause injury. things that tend to cause injury. >> Exactly. Because if you just have all if >> Exactly. Because if you just have all if >> Exactly. Because if you just have all if you're all gas, no brakes in those kind you're all gas, no brakes in those kind you're all gas, no brakes in those kind of sports, you're in trouble, right? of sports, you're in trouble, right? of sports, you're in trouble, right? Because you you might be able to produce Because you you might be able to produce Because you you might be able to produce enough force, but then how do you stop? enough force, but then how do you stop? enough force, but then how do you stop? >> Okay, >> Okay, >> Okay, >> I'm going to create a scenario for you. >> I'm going to create a scenario for you. >> I'm going to create a scenario for you. Just see if this if there's anything you Just see if this if there's anything you Just see if this if there's anything you could do. So, you got an athlete who's could do. So, you got an athlete who's could do. So, you got an athlete who's training and they're like, you you need training and they're like, you you need training and they're like, you you need some better recovery, but we got a game some better recovery, but we got a game some better recovery, but we got a game >> in in a week. Like, what are the tools >> in in a week. Like, what are the tools >> in in a week. Like, what are the tools that you use to really help with that you use to really help with that you use to really help with recovery? Is it just mostly sleep? Is it recovery? Is it just mostly sleep? Is it recovery? Is it just mostly sleep? Is it are you using ice? Like, what are the are you using ice? Like, what are the are you using ice? Like, what are the some of the tools? some of the tools? some of the tools? >> No, I think first and foremost is sleep >> No, I think first and foremost is sleep >> No, I think first and foremost is sleep and nutrition, right? like I think you and nutrition, right? like I think you and nutrition, right? like I think you can't get too far away from that. Um, can't get too far away from that. Um, can't get too far away from that. Um, you know, there's there's different you know, there's there's different you know, there's there's different products out there of, you know, products out there of, you know, products out there of, you know, compression boots and saunas and things compression boots and saunas and things compression boots and saunas and things like that that I think would be like that that I think would be like that that I think would be beneficial. Um, I'm working with a beneficial. Um, I'm working with a beneficial. Um, I'm working with a company right now called Air company right now called Air company right now called Air Therapeutics. Um, and they have a a CO2 Therapeutics. Um, and they have a a CO2 Therapeutics. Um, and they have a a CO2 uh delivery system of paste and a suit. uh delivery system of paste and a suit. uh delivery system of paste and a suit. Um, where you can actually uh it's Um, where you can actually uh it's Um, where you can actually uh it's called the bore effect. Um, it basically called the bore effect. Um, it basically called the bore effect. Um, it basically helps deliver oxygen from the the off helps deliver oxygen from the the off helps deliver oxygen from the the off the hemoglobin into tissue and muscle. the hemoglobin into tissue and muscle. the hemoglobin into tissue and muscle. And so, you know, everything that you're And so, you know, everything that you're And so, you know, everything that you're always after with, you know, the sleep, always after with, you know, the sleep, always after with, you know, the sleep, with the, you know, all the different with the, you know, all the different with the, you know, all the different modalities is to try to utilize oxygen modalities is to try to utilize oxygen modalities is to try to utilize oxygen better to repair and heal, you know, better to repair and heal, you know, better to repair and heal, you know, tissue. And so, this actually gives us a tissue. And so, this actually gives us a tissue. And so, this actually gives us a really good um option. Um, and so the really good um option. Um, and so the really good um option. Um, and so the paste can be used as like a recovery. It paste can be used as like a recovery. It paste can be used as like a recovery. It can be used as a as a can be used as a as a can be used as a as a >> Is it rubbed on the area? >> Is it rubbed on the area? >> Is it rubbed on the area? >> Yeah. Right on. Right on the area. >> Yeah. Right on. Right on the area. >> Yeah. Right on. Right on the area. >> Are we are we simulating similar >> Are we are we simulating similar >> Are we are we simulating similar benefits like the hyperbaric chamber benefits like the hyperbaric chamber benefits like the hyperbaric chamber would give you? Is that kind of what would give you? Is that kind of what would give you? Is that kind of what along those lines or along those lines or along those lines or >> it's it's not like the hyperbaric >> it's it's not like the hyperbaric >> it's it's not like the hyperbaric because what a hyperbaric is doing is because what a hyperbaric is doing is because what a hyperbaric is doing is trying to drive more oxygen into your trying to drive more oxygen into your trying to drive more oxygen into your system. Yeah. system. Yeah. system. Yeah. >> And it also has it's pressurized. So >> And it also has it's pressurized. So >> And it also has it's pressurized. So you're actually got some vaso you're actually got some vaso you're actually got some vaso constriction going on. So you have less constriction going on. So you have less constriction going on. So you have less blood flow and you're trying to push blood flow and you're trying to push blood flow and you're trying to push more oxygen in. more oxygen in. more oxygen in. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Well, more oxygen isn't any beneficial >> Well, more oxygen isn't any beneficial >> Well, more oxygen isn't any beneficial if it can't get delivered properly. if it can't get delivered properly. if it can't get delivered properly. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, uh what the paste does with the CO2 >> So, uh what the paste does with the CO2 >> So, uh what the paste does with the CO2 is it helps actually vasoddilate. So you is it helps actually vasoddilate. So you is it helps actually vasoddilate. So you get more blood flow and then you get uh get more blood flow and then you get uh get more blood flow and then you get uh you know um additional uh that bore you know um additional uh that bore you know um additional uh that bore effect where it comes off of the effect where it comes off of the effect where it comes off of the hemoglobin and it gets into the tissue hemoglobin and it gets into the tissue hemoglobin and it gets into the tissue more effectively localized. more effectively localized. more effectively localized. >> Yeah. So it's helping the nervous >> Yeah. So it's helping the nervous >> Yeah. So it's helping the nervous system, it's helping connective tissue system, it's helping connective tissue system, it's helping connective tissue like all those things. like all those things. like all those things. >> So would you say would you say then >> So would you say would you say then >> So would you say would you say then something like this is better for one of something like this is better for one of something like this is better for one of your athletes than a hyper chamber? your athletes than a hyper chamber? your athletes than a hyper chamber? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I mean I think it's I I think it's >> Yeah. I mean I think it's I I think it's >> Yeah. I mean I think it's I I think it's like revolutionary honestly. like revolutionary honestly. like revolutionary honestly. >> Oh yeah, that's a big deal. >> Oh yeah, that's a big deal. >> Oh yeah, that's a big deal. >> Because I just I've never seen anything >> Because I just I've never seen anything >> Because I just I've never seen anything like it. I've actually used it myself like it. I've actually used it myself like it. I've actually used it myself and I got a bunch of little ailments, and I got a bunch of little ailments, and I got a bunch of little ailments, you know, getting older that that I know you know, getting older that that I know you know, getting older that that I know have a significant difference that I have a significant difference that I have a significant difference that I notice. Um, notice. Um, notice. Um, >> wild >> wild >> wild product. I got I got some for you guys. product. I got I got some for you guys. product. I got I got some for you guys. I totally want to try. I totally want to try. I totally want to try. >> Yeah, I've never heard of. >> Yeah, I've never heard of. >> Yeah, I've never heard of. >> So, I'm trying to think of like what the >> So, I'm trying to think of like what the >> So, I'm trying to think of like what the benefits would be for the average person benefits would be for the average person benefits would be for the average person with something like this. And I guess it with something like this. And I guess it with something like this. And I guess it would be my wife. would be my wife. would be my wife. >> Yeah. My wife, you know, had a little >> Yeah. My wife, you know, had a little >> Yeah. My wife, you know, had a little super spanatus kind of deal going on in super spanatus kind of deal going on in super spanatus kind of deal going on in her shoulder. She put the paste on twice her shoulder. She put the paste on twice her shoulder. She put the paste on twice a day for two two days. Zero pain. Like a day for two two days. Zero pain. Like a day for two two days. Zero pain. Like I mean, you know, I I know some of the I mean, you know, I I know some of the I mean, you know, I I know some of the better, you know, physical therapists better, you know, physical therapists better, you know, physical therapists and chiropractors in town and we can go and chiropractors in town and we can go and chiropractors in town and we can go get treatment and stuff, but all she did get treatment and stuff, but all she did get treatment and stuff, but all she did was put the paste on and let the, you was put the paste on and let the, you was put the paste on and let the, you know, let the body heal naturally, which know, let the body heal naturally, which know, let the body heal naturally, which is what it needs to do, is just get that is what it needs to do, is just get that is what it needs to do, is just get that oxygen into the tissue and it went away. oxygen into the tissue and it went away. oxygen into the tissue and it went away. I use it. I get a little bit of like, I use it. I get a little bit of like, I use it. I get a little bit of like, you know, tendonitis in the elbow from you know, tendonitis in the elbow from you know, tendonitis in the elbow from lifting weights and stuff and I'll just lifting weights and stuff and I'll just lifting weights and stuff and I'll just hit it a couple times and it's not like hit it a couple times and it's not like hit it a couple times and it's not like something I have to put on every day. something I have to put on every day. something I have to put on every day. Um, but with some of the athletes, I Um, but with some of the athletes, I Um, but with some of the athletes, I will encourage them like, hey, it's a will encourage them like, hey, it's a will encourage them like, hey, it's a max velocity day. Let's put some paste max velocity day. Let's put some paste max velocity day. Let's put some paste on the hamstrings. Let's get a little on the hamstrings. Let's get a little on the hamstrings. Let's get a little extra oxygen flow. So, as a pre-workout extra oxygen flow. So, as a pre-workout extra oxygen flow. So, as a pre-workout or is there anything during the workout? or is there anything during the workout? or is there anything during the workout? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. >> Oh, wow. How long has this company been >> Oh, wow. How long has this company been >> Oh, wow. How long has this company been around? Is this uh around? Is this uh around? Is this uh >> They haven't been around long. Um I got >> They haven't been around long. Um I got >> They haven't been around long. Um I got kind of connected through them through kind of connected through them through kind of connected through them through ETSs, um which is, you know, my new ETSs, um which is, you know, my new ETSs, um which is, you know, my new performance company I'm working with and performance company I'm working with and performance company I'm working with and they uh they introduced me to their COO they uh they introduced me to their COO they uh they introduced me to their COO and he flew down to Nashville and and he flew down to Nashville and and he flew down to Nashville and brought the air suit. So, they actually brought the air suit. So, they actually brought the air suit. So, they actually have a suit that you can wear where you have a suit that you can wear where you have a suit that you can wear where you suck all the oxygen out of it with a suck all the oxygen out of it with a suck all the oxygen out of it with a vacuum and then fill it up with CO2 and vacuum and then fill it up with CO2 and vacuum and then fill it up with CO2 and you just sit in it for a half hour. Um you just sit in it for a half hour. Um you just sit in it for a half hour. Um and it has the same, you know, same and it has the same, you know, same and it has the same, you know, same effect only systemically. So you effect only systemically. So you effect only systemically. So you actually get a little parasympathetic actually get a little parasympathetic actually get a little parasympathetic response. You know, I do it at night response. You know, I do it at night response. You know, I do it at night before I go to bed. before I go to bed. before I go to bed. >> Oh, you did do you notice a better >> Oh, you did do you notice a better >> Oh, you did do you notice a better sleep? sleep? sleep? >> 100%. >> 100%. >> 100%. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> So, how does a company like this uh get >> So, how does a company like this uh get >> So, how does a company like this uh get you to partner with them? Are they like, you to partner with them? Are they like, you to partner with them? Are they like, "All right, let me meet you. Here's the "All right, let me meet you. Here's the "All right, let me meet you. Here's the data. Here's the science. Then you got data. Here's the science. Then you got data. Here's the science. Then you got to go test it type of deal." to go test it type of deal." to go test it type of deal." >> Yeah, kind of. I mean, it was a it was a >> Yeah, kind of. I mean, it was a it was a >> Yeah, kind of. I mean, it was a it was a really weird like uh how we got really weird like uh how we got really weird like uh how we got connected. And it's funny because some connected. And it's funny because some connected. And it's funny because some of the NHL guys that I've worked with of the NHL guys that I've worked with of the NHL guys that I've worked with were actually using the technology. I were actually using the technology. I were actually using the technology. I didn't even know about it. And so when I didn't even know about it. And so when I didn't even know about it. And so when I met the doctor that came up with the met the doctor that came up with the met the doctor that came up with the technology, um he's like, "Yeah, you technology, um he's like, "Yeah, you technology, um he's like, "Yeah, you know, these guys up at in Winnipeg are know, these guys up at in Winnipeg are know, these guys up at in Winnipeg are using it and and it happened to be a guy using it and and it happened to be a guy using it and and it happened to be a guy that I've worked with." Um so there was that I've worked with." Um so there was that I've worked with." Um so there was just some some relationships and they just some some relationships and they just some some relationships and they came to me and I think they had the came to me and I think they had the came to me and I think they had the science. I think they got, you know, uh science. I think they got, you know, uh science. I think they got, you know, uh the operations of the business going and the operations of the business going and the operations of the business going and they wanted somebody who could kind of they wanted somebody who could kind of they wanted somebody who could kind of maybe connect them into some of the the maybe connect them into some of the the maybe connect them into some of the the marketplace a little bit, especially marketplace a little bit, especially marketplace a little bit, especially with the high-end athlete. So like we with the high-end athlete. So like we with the high-end athlete. So like we got AJ Brown into one, uh Solomon got AJ Brown into one, uh Solomon got AJ Brown into one, uh Solomon Thomas, you know, some of these guys are Thomas, you know, some of these guys are Thomas, you know, some of these guys are using it. They're loving it. I mean, using it. They're loving it. I mean, using it. They're loving it. I mean, they're, you know, so, so right now, and they're, you know, so, so right now, and they're, you know, so, so right now, and again, I'm not the science guy. You again, I'm not the science guy. You again, I'm not the science guy. You know, bring the doctor out here, he'll know, bring the doctor out here, he'll know, bring the doctor out here, he'll tell you all about it, but I know enough tell you all about it, but I know enough tell you all about it, but I know enough about it to understand what it's doing. about it to understand what it's doing. about it to understand what it's doing. And, um, I've even noticed it on myself. And, um, I've even noticed it on myself. And, um, I've even noticed it on myself. So, So, So, >> I'd love to be connected to that's super >> I'd love to be connected to that's super >> I'd love to be connected to that's super interesting. You know, since we're interesting. You know, since we're interesting. You know, since we're talking about recovering, I didn't hear talking about recovering, I didn't hear talking about recovering, I didn't hear you say, and uh, Red Light, you guys use you say, and uh, Red Light, you guys use you say, and uh, Red Light, you guys use Red Light. Red Light. Red Light. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, another product >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, another product >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, another product that I've, you know, partnered with is that I've, you know, partnered with is that I've, you know, partnered with is DNA Vibe. Uh, they they the little jazz DNA Vibe. Uh, they they the little jazz DNA Vibe. Uh, they they the little jazz band. And so, it's a, you know, it's not band. And so, it's a, you know, it's not band. And so, it's a, you know, it's not it's not red light. It's like a uh light it's not red light. It's like a uh light it's not red light. It's like a uh light therapy though on wearable. Um and I therapy though on wearable. Um and I therapy though on wearable. Um and I think that stuff I mean think that stuff I mean think that stuff I mean >> again anything that kind of work with >> again anything that kind of work with >> again anything that kind of work with your own body's DNA the oxygen much your own body's DNA the oxygen much your own body's DNA the oxygen much better than like even leg boots they're better than like even leg boots they're better than like even leg boots they're great you know they make me feel a great you know they make me feel a great you know they make me feel a little bit better but they are little bit better but they are little bit better but they are compressing right and so they're compressing right and so they're compressing right and so they're limiting blood flow at some level and limiting blood flow at some level and limiting blood flow at some level and what we really want is blood flow. So what we really want is blood flow. So what we really want is blood flow. So you asked about ice and and ice is you asked about ice and and ice is you asked about ice and and ice is that's like a no no for me. I'm not even that's like a no no for me. I'm not even that's like a no no for me. I'm not even a big fan of cold plunges. Uh because a big fan of cold plunges. Uh because a big fan of cold plunges. Uh because >> well tell me yeah explain explain why no >> well tell me yeah explain explain why no >> well tell me yeah explain explain why no cold plunge. cold plunge. cold plunge. >> Well it it it vazor restricts. Yep. >> Well it it it vazor restricts. Yep. >> Well it it it vazor restricts. Yep. >> It shuts down your nervous system. I >> It shuts down your nervous system. I >> It shuts down your nervous system. I mean, it can shut down your nervous mean, it can shut down your nervous mean, it can shut down your nervous system at a high level for about 24 system at a high level for about 24 system at a high level for about 24 hours. So, if you got some kid like, you hours. So, if you got some kid like, you hours. So, if you got some kid like, you know, high school, it was kind of know, high school, it was kind of know, high school, it was kind of popular at my place before I knew any popular at my place before I knew any popular at my place before I knew any better where the kids would go in on a better where the kids would go in on a better where the kids would go in on a Friday and go cold plunge to feel better Friday and go cold plunge to feel better Friday and go cold plunge to feel better for the meat the next day for the meat the next day for the meat the next day >> and then maybe they wouldn't run as >> and then maybe they wouldn't run as >> and then maybe they wouldn't run as well, you know, cuz it takes the nervous well, you know, cuz it takes the nervous well, you know, cuz it takes the nervous system some time to turn back on once system some time to turn back on once system some time to turn back on once you've kind of suppressed it like that you've kind of suppressed it like that you've kind of suppressed it like that in a cold environment. in a cold environment. in a cold environment. >> Interesting. That's super interesting >> Interesting. That's super interesting >> Interesting. That's super interesting considering uh I would have thought in considering uh I would have thought in considering uh I would have thought in the athletic world it's even more the athletic world it's even more the athletic world it's even more popular because we we've obviously it's popular because we we've obviously it's popular because we we've obviously it's we've watched this in you know we've watched this in you know we've watched this in you know interesting interesting interesting >> you know cold punching has been around >> you know cold punching has been around >> you know cold punching has been around forever forever forever >> but the popularity of it right exploded >> but the popularity of it right exploded >> but the popularity of it right exploded now everybody's doing it then you saw now everybody's doing it then you saw now everybody's doing it then you saw the big push back on the in the the big push back on the in the the big push back on the in the bodybuilding world cuz it's like you bodybuilding world cuz it's like you bodybuilding world cuz it's like you want that that signal after you lift want that that signal after you lift want that that signal after you lift weights to build muscle. So doing it weights to build muscle. So doing it weights to build muscle. So doing it right after you lift weights is not an right after you lift weights is not an right after you lift weights is not an ideal time for the the guy who wants to ideal time for the the guy who wants to ideal time for the the guy who wants to build a bunch of muscle. So that started build a bunch of muscle. So that started build a bunch of muscle. So that started to fall in favor. But it was still being to fall in favor. But it was still being to fall in favor. But it was still being told or touted as Yeah. But for athletic told or touted as Yeah. But for athletic told or touted as Yeah. But for athletic training, if you have a high level training, if you have a high level training, if you have a high level athlete who's got to recover this and athlete who's got to recover this and athlete who's got to recover this and that, but you're saying you don't even that, but you're saying you don't even that, but you're saying you don't even building thing, it's the same thing, building thing, it's the same thing, building thing, it's the same thing, right? Like you you want that that right? Like you you want that that right? Like you you want that that synthesis, you know, that happens synthesis, you know, that happens synthesis, you know, that happens post-workout to to be effective and take post-workout to to be effective and take post-workout to to be effective and take in nutrition and stuff. You don't want in nutrition and stuff. You don't want in nutrition and stuff. You don't want to like suppress that and shut it down to like suppress that and shut it down to like suppress that and shut it down necessarily. And I'm not, again, I'm not necessarily. And I'm not, again, I'm not necessarily. And I'm not, again, I'm not a science guy to understand all the, you a science guy to understand all the, you a science guy to understand all the, you know, positive things that might happen know, positive things that might happen know, positive things that might happen with that. I just wouldn't necessarily with that. I just wouldn't necessarily with that. I just wouldn't necessarily want an athlete doing that too close to want an athlete doing that too close to want an athlete doing that too close to a game time. Now, if it makes somebody a game time. Now, if it makes somebody a game time. Now, if it makes somebody feel good early in the week, like before feel good early in the week, like before feel good early in the week, like before a game or whatever, no problem. You a game or whatever, no problem. You a game or whatever, no problem. You know, I don't think it's like bad for know, I don't think it's like bad for know, I don't think it's like bad for you. Um, but, you know, learning more you. Um, but, you know, learning more you. Um, but, you know, learning more about how oxygen delivery and the stuff about how oxygen delivery and the stuff about how oxygen delivery and the stuff with the with ER, the company, with the with ER, the company, with the with ER, the company, >> I'm just like I'm all in on that. >> I'm just like I'm all in on that. >> I'm just like I'm all in on that. >> Tell us a little bit about ETSs. This is >> Tell us a little bit about ETSs. This is >> Tell us a little bit about ETSs. This is something you're doing that's new. So, something you're doing that's new. So, something you're doing that's new. So, explain what's going on. explain what's going on. explain what's going on. >> Yeah. So, ETSs is a company based out of >> Yeah. So, ETSs is a company based out of >> Yeah. So, ETSs is a company based out of Minneapolis. Um, Ryan Inglebert, uh, who Minneapolis. Um, Ryan Inglebert, uh, who Minneapolis. Um, Ryan Inglebert, uh, who trained Adam Thelen and his wife Heidi, trained Adam Thelen and his wife Heidi, trained Adam Thelen and his wife Heidi, uh, started the company and, uh, they've uh, started the company and, uh, they've uh, started the company and, uh, they've been going since 2010. But uh uh they been going since 2010. But uh uh they been going since 2010. But uh uh they reached out when I moved to Nashville um reached out when I moved to Nashville um reached out when I moved to Nashville um and we kind of started conversations and and we kind of started conversations and and we kind of started conversations and they ended up buying Cula Sports they ended up buying Cula Sports they ended up buying Cula Sports Performance from me. Um and so now I'm a Performance from me. Um and so now I'm a Performance from me. Um and so now I'm a vested partner with them moving forward vested partner with them moving forward vested partner with them moving forward helping them grow. They they're now 80 helping them grow. They they're now 80 helping them grow. They they're now 80 plus locations growing fast. plus locations growing fast. plus locations growing fast. >> They have a tremendous tremendous group >> They have a tremendous tremendous group >> They have a tremendous tremendous group of people just faith-based uh group and of people just faith-based uh group and of people just faith-based uh group and I went to their summit this this winter I went to their summit this this winter I went to their summit this this winter and was just blown away. Um kind of and was just blown away. Um kind of and was just blown away. Um kind of reinforced, you know, was really happy reinforced, you know, was really happy reinforced, you know, was really happy that we did partner with them. Um, so that we did partner with them. Um, so that we did partner with them. Um, so I'm helping them with some thought I'm helping them with some thought I'm helping them with some thought leadership and education stuff and, you leadership and education stuff and, you leadership and education stuff and, you know, growth growth strategies. Um, but know, growth growth strategies. Um, but know, growth growth strategies. Um, but yeah, they're they're exploding. I mean, yeah, they're they're exploding. I mean, yeah, they're they're exploding. I mean, they'll be the largest performance they'll be the largest performance they'll be the largest performance company in the world. company in the world. company in the world. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> What's their target? Is their target >> What's their target? Is their target >> What's their target? Is their target audience mostly like young athletes? audience mostly like young athletes? audience mostly like young athletes? >> It is. Yeah. I mean, they we can serve, >> It is. Yeah. I mean, they we can serve, >> It is. Yeah. I mean, they we can serve, you know, the pros and the college kids you know, the pros and the college kids you know, the pros and the college kids and stuff, but I mean, primarily you're and stuff, but I mean, primarily you're and stuff, but I mean, primarily you're going in and, you know, that youth going in and, you know, that youth going in and, you know, that youth population, 12 to 12 to 18 year olds. population, 12 to 12 to 18 year olds. population, 12 to 12 to 18 year olds. And, um, yeah, they're they're they're And, um, yeah, they're they're they're And, um, yeah, they're they're they're crushing it. crushing it. crushing it. >> Standalone facilities or gyms? >> Standalone facilities or gyms? >> Standalone facilities or gyms? >> Standalone. >> Standalone. >> Standalone. >> Standalone. Standalone. They're all >> Standalone. Standalone. They're all >> Standalone. Standalone. They're all corporately owned. Yeah. So, it's not a corporately owned. Yeah. So, it's not a corporately owned. Yeah. So, it's not a franchise model. Uh they have a really franchise model. Uh they have a really franchise model. Uh they have a really unique uh way of onboarding their unique uh way of onboarding their unique uh way of onboarding their coaches. They bring them up to to coaches. They bring them up to to coaches. They bring them up to to Minneapolis for three months and they Minneapolis for three months and they Minneapolis for three months and they onboard them with all the programming onboard them with all the programming onboard them with all the programming and training and you know, business and training and you know, business and training and you know, business acumen and everything they need and then acumen and everything they need and then acumen and everything they need and then they, you know, about a month out they they, you know, about a month out they they, you know, about a month out they they kind of start promoting and they kind of start promoting and they kind of start promoting and marketing in the area and then they they marketing in the area and then they they marketing in the area and then they they launch and open up. launch and open up. launch and open up. >> So, now you're teaching them that your >> So, now you're teaching them that your >> So, now you're teaching them that your system, all the coaches and and go system, all the coaches and and go system, all the coaches and and go through that course. through that course. through that course. >> They they got great systems in place >> They they got great systems in place >> They they got great systems in place already. Um I'm just trying to enhance a already. Um I'm just trying to enhance a already. Um I'm just trying to enhance a little bit of the organization with the little bit of the organization with the little bit of the organization with the the movement and the speed development the movement and the speed development the movement and the speed development which is a little bit more my forte and which is a little bit more my forte and which is a little bit more my forte and uh it's going really well so far. So a uh it's going really well so far. So a uh it's going really well so far. So a lot of education you know we have 80 lot of education you know we have 80 lot of education you know we have 80 directors and I think eight senior directors and I think eight senior directors and I think eight senior directors and directors and directors and >> so it's a it's a really fun space to be >> so it's a it's a really fun space to be >> so it's a it's a really fun space to be in and I just have really fallen in love in and I just have really fallen in love in and I just have really fallen in love with with them and they've been great to with with them and they've been great to with with them and they've been great to me. So yeah. me. So yeah. me. So yeah. >> Was it tough selling uh cool >> Was it tough selling uh cool >> Was it tough selling uh cool performance? performance? performance? >> Uh you know not really. Um I mean they >> Uh you know not really. Um I mean they >> Uh you know not really. Um I mean they they they uh they they uh they they uh >> he's like they made a >> he's like they made a >> he's like they made a difficult bro. Well, I mean, you got difficult bro. Well, I mean, you got difficult bro. Well, I mean, you got your name on it, your legacy. You know, your name on it, your legacy. You know, your name on it, your legacy. You know, >> they left the Denver building branded, >> they left the Denver building branded, >> they left the Denver building branded, uh, Kula Sports Performance, which was a uh, Kula Sports Performance, which was a uh, Kula Sports Performance, which was a nice, you know, a nice, uh, gesture of nice, you know, a nice, uh, gesture of nice, you know, a nice, uh, gesture of them. I think it was pretty smart them. I think it was pretty smart them. I think it was pretty smart business-wise as well. business-wise as well. business-wise as well. >> But, uh, you know, they they've been >> But, uh, you know, they they've been >> But, uh, you know, they they've been nothing but good to me. I don't I don't nothing but good to me. I don't I don't nothing but good to me. I don't I don't feel like I've just been absorbed and, feel like I've just been absorbed and, feel like I've just been absorbed and, you know, they they've really kind of you know, they they've really kind of you know, they they've really kind of put me on a pedestal a little bit, and put me on a pedestal a little bit, and put me on a pedestal a little bit, and I've been appreciative of that. So, uh, I've been appreciative of that. So, uh, I've been appreciative of that. So, uh, no, I really haven't. I just, you know, no, I really haven't. I just, you know, no, I really haven't. I just, you know, for me, I I I mean, I didn't go into for me, I I I mean, I didn't go into for me, I I I mean, I didn't go into business to like, you know, put my name business to like, you know, put my name business to like, you know, put my name on a t-shirt and, you know, I'm I'm I'm on a t-shirt and, you know, I'm I'm I'm on a t-shirt and, you know, I'm I'm I'm a bad self-promoter, I feel like. And so a bad self-promoter, I feel like. And so a bad self-promoter, I feel like. And so for me, this is like my opportunity to for me, this is like my opportunity to for me, this is like my opportunity to help another 50,000 athletes overnight. help another 50,000 athletes overnight. help another 50,000 athletes overnight. That's like the impact and the reach That's like the impact and the reach That's like the impact and the reach that I want to have. So for me, it was that I want to have. So for me, it was that I want to have. So for me, it was just a it was a blessing. just a it was a blessing. just a it was a blessing. >> What are some of the biggest mistakes >> What are some of the biggest mistakes >> What are some of the biggest mistakes that common mistakes that young athletes that common mistakes that young athletes that common mistakes that young athletes are making or coaches in high school are are making or coaches in high school are are making or coaches in high school are making with their athletes? making with their athletes? making with their athletes? >> I think doing too much. You know, it's >> I think doing too much. You know, it's >> I think doing too much. You know, it's always it, huh? always it, huh? always it, huh? >> Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, especially >> Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, especially >> Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, especially nowadays, and I say it till I'm blew in nowadays, and I say it till I'm blew in nowadays, and I say it till I'm blew in the face, but like the access to the face, but like the access to the face, but like the access to information isn't always a good thing. information isn't always a good thing. information isn't always a good thing. >> So they're just doing too much. They're >> So they're just doing too much. They're >> So they're just doing too much. They're trying to do too much. They don't trying to do too much. They don't trying to do too much. They don't understand the impact of what all that understand the impact of what all that understand the impact of what all that has. And you know, and that that even has. And you know, and that that even has. And you know, and that that even applies to the sport itself, right? applies to the sport itself, right? applies to the sport itself, right? We're playing, you know, a million AAU We're playing, you know, a million AAU We're playing, you know, a million AAU basketball games. We're playing, you basketball games. We're playing, you basketball games. We're playing, you know, we're just we're just doing too know, we're just we're just doing too know, we're just we're just doing too much. And, you know, I don't think it's much. And, you know, I don't think it's much. And, you know, I don't think it's that, you know, we're not trying to be a that, you know, we're not trying to be a that, you know, we're not trying to be a I'm not trying to say we should be soft I'm not trying to say we should be soft I'm not trying to say we should be soft and, you know, whatever, but like it's and, you know, whatever, but like it's and, you know, whatever, but like it's it's a it's a how much output can do you it's a it's a how much output can do you it's a it's a how much output can do you have? You know, how many how many swings have? You know, how many how many swings have? You know, how many how many swings you got in there? you got in there? you got in there? >> You know, we we haven't had this >> You know, we we haven't had this >> You know, we we haven't had this conversation in a really long time. In conversation in a really long time. In conversation in a really long time. In fact, uh we we talked with Chad Wesley fact, uh we we talked with Chad Wesley fact, uh we we talked with Chad Wesley Smith long long time ago about this and Smith long long time ago about this and Smith long long time ago about this and I'd love for your opinion and on this. I'd love for your opinion and on this. I'd love for your opinion and on this. You know, there was this idea back in You know, there was this idea back in You know, there was this idea back in the days that um you know, I've I've got the days that um you know, I've I've got the days that um you know, I've I've got an 8-year-old kid and man, he could an 8-year-old kid and man, he could an 8-year-old kid and man, he could swing a baseball bat and so we put him swing a baseball bat and so we put him swing a baseball bat and so we put him in baseball year round every like all in baseball year round every like all in baseball year round every like all all that. And that was kind of the old all that. And that was kind of the old all that. And that was kind of the old way of doing it. In fact, and what most way of doing it. In fact, and what most way of doing it. In fact, and what most of the research and science has of the research and science has of the research and science has supported is that we having him in supported is that we having him in supported is that we having him in different sports would serve him better. different sports would serve him better. different sports would serve him better. So, how do you how do you feel about So, how do you how do you feel about So, how do you how do you feel about that? Like what's your philosophy? You that? Like what's your philosophy? You that? Like what's your philosophy? You when you work with a young kid, do you when you work with a young kid, do you when you work with a young kid, do you encourage the parents like Okay, tell me encourage the parents like Okay, tell me encourage the parents like Okay, tell me tell me a little. tell me a little. tell me a little. >> Yeah, I mean I what I tell parents now >> Yeah, I mean I what I tell parents now >> Yeah, I mean I what I tell parents now is like at least until they get to high is like at least until they get to high is like at least until they get to high school, I'd like to see him be a school, I'd like to see him be a school, I'd like to see him be a multiport athlete. multiport athlete. multiport athlete. >> So, I do think nowadays it's a lot >> So, I do think nowadays it's a lot >> So, I do think nowadays it's a lot harder and I was even at a private harder and I was even at a private harder and I was even at a private school in at Valor in Denver there that, school in at Valor in Denver there that, school in at Valor in Denver there that, you know, we tried to preach multiport you know, we tried to preach multiport you know, we tried to preach multiport even through high school. It was just even through high school. It was just even through high school. It was just really difficult. You know, in theory it really difficult. You know, in theory it really difficult. You know, in theory it sounds good. Yeah. Yeah, sounds good. Yeah. Yeah, sounds good. Yeah. Yeah, >> but when it comes to the practical side >> but when it comes to the practical side >> but when it comes to the practical side of like, hey man, I'm trying to make the of like, hey man, I'm trying to make the of like, hey man, I'm trying to make the baseball team and those kids are taking baseball team and those kids are taking baseball team and those kids are taking cuts and throwing balls all year round cuts and throwing balls all year round cuts and throwing balls all year round and now I'm coming out of basketball and now I'm coming out of basketball and now I'm coming out of basketball trying to make that team. trying to make that team. trying to make that team. >> It's tough. And so, you know, I get >> It's tough. And so, you know, I get >> It's tough. And so, you know, I get that. And so what I what I kind of that. And so what I what I kind of that. And so what I what I kind of shifted my mentality to was like maybe shifted my mentality to was like maybe shifted my mentality to was like maybe even through your freshman year, play even through your freshman year, play even through your freshman year, play all the sports like get get a good all the sports like get get a good all the sports like get get a good exposure, stay away from overuse exposure, stay away from overuse exposure, stay away from overuse injuries. You know, some of those injuries. You know, some of those injuries. You know, some of those different movement patterns are going to different movement patterns are going to different movement patterns are going to pay off for you down the road, but then pay off for you down the road, but then pay off for you down the road, but then at some point you're probably going to at some point you're probably going to at some point you're probably going to have to put all your eggs in a basket. have to put all your eggs in a basket. have to put all your eggs in a basket. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> you're going to fall behind. You know, >> you're going to fall behind. You know, >> you're going to fall behind. You know, there aren't many sports where I mean, there aren't many sports where I mean, there aren't many sports where I mean, I'd say football is still one of those I'd say football is still one of those I'd say football is still one of those ones where you might be able to jump in ones where you might be able to jump in ones where you might be able to jump in late and still have some success cuz late and still have some success cuz late and still have some success cuz it's a little bit in some levels, you it's a little bit in some levels, you it's a little bit in some levels, you know, some a lower skill game. You know, know, some a lower skill game. You know, know, some a lower skill game. You know, you could jump in and play you could jump in and play you could jump in and play >> whatever. >> whatever. >> whatever. >> Well, I don't I don't mean that >> Well, I don't I don't mean that >> Well, I don't I don't mean that disrespectfully there. I mean, trust me, disrespectfully there. I mean, trust me, disrespectfully there. I mean, trust me, if you're a quarterback, if you're a if you're a quarterback, if you're a if you're a quarterback, if you're a wide receiver, if you're a running back, wide receiver, if you're a running back, wide receiver, if you're a running back, I mean, there's different positions that I mean, there's different positions that I mean, there's different positions that are super skill. are super skill. are super skill. >> But, you know, I'm talking like take >> But, you know, I'm talking like take >> But, you know, I'm talking like take baseball, you know, where that level of baseball, you know, where that level of baseball, you know, where that level of of skill, you know, just and it takes, of skill, you know, just and it takes, of skill, you know, just and it takes, you know, 10,000 hours, I'm sure, to, you know, 10,000 hours, I'm sure, to, you know, 10,000 hours, I'm sure, to, you know, perfect a swing and a pitch you know, perfect a swing and a pitch you know, perfect a swing and a pitch and all those things. And I don't know and all those things. And I don't know and all those things. And I don't know that you can miss all of that through that you can miss all of that through that you can miss all of that through high school and still be eligible to be high school and still be eligible to be high school and still be eligible to be a D1 or, you know, potentially a a D1 or, you know, potentially a a D1 or, you know, potentially a professional athlete. And I'm I'm not professional athlete. And I'm I'm not professional athlete. And I'm I'm not delusional. I don't think, you know, delusional. I don't think, you know, delusional. I don't think, you know, most people need to understand you're most people need to understand you're most people need to understand you're not going to play pro pro anything, you not going to play pro pro anything, you not going to play pro pro anything, you know. So, be be the best you can be as a know. So, be be the best you can be as a know. So, be be the best you can be as a JV or a, you know, a varsity. JV or a, you know, a varsity. JV or a, you know, a varsity. >> That's a really cool that's a really >> That's a really cool that's a really >> That's a really cool that's a really cool perspective because that's no one cool perspective because that's no one cool perspective because that's no one else is uh came from that angle. Uh and else is uh came from that angle. Uh and else is uh came from that angle. Uh and I think you bring up such great points. I think you bring up such great points. I think you bring up such great points. It's like, okay, in theory, if I had the It's like, okay, in theory, if I had the It's like, okay, in theory, if I had the perfect kid that I could train from, you perfect kid that I could train from, you perfect kid that I could train from, you know, elementary all the way up, he'd be know, elementary all the way up, he'd be know, elementary all the way up, he'd be in four sports a year all the way to in four sports a year all the way to in four sports a year all the way to almost college. But the reality is that almost college. But the reality is that almost college. But the reality is that resonates so much because it's literally resonates so much because it's literally resonates so much because it's literally the trajectory of already like with my the trajectory of already like with my the trajectory of already like with my youngest especially because he uh both youngest especially because he uh both youngest especially because he uh both my kids I got them in gymnastics early my kids I got them in gymnastics early my kids I got them in gymnastics early because of some of the advice of like because of some of the advice of like because of some of the advice of like these world class coaches. like this is these world class coaches. like this is these world class coaches. like this is where you want to start and then you're where you want to start and then you're where you want to start and then you're going to move him into multiport and going to move him into multiport and going to move him into multiport and make sure they get exposure and it's make sure they get exposure and it's make sure they get exposure and it's like like like >> so he was always like and he's athletic >> so he was always like and he's athletic >> so he was always like and he's athletic and he has skill but it's not at the and he has skill but it's not at the and he has skill but it's not at the degree where his knowledge isn't there degree where his knowledge isn't there degree where his knowledge isn't there like so he's going to this sport he's like so he's going to this sport he's like so he's going to this sport he's doing lacrosse and immediately he's like doing lacrosse and immediately he's like doing lacrosse and immediately he's like somewhat talented but doesn't know the somewhat talented but doesn't know the somewhat talented but doesn't know the rules and it's like way far behind rules and it's like way far behind rules and it's like way far behind everybody else and then it it just like everybody else and then it it just like everybody else and then it it just like phased him out and you know and so he's phased him out and you know and so he's phased him out and you know and so he's >> he's now kind of reducing it down to >> he's now kind of reducing it down to >> he's now kind of reducing it down to like two sports but you know it is a like two sports but you know it is a like two sports but you know it is a challenge at the end the day. challenge at the end the day. challenge at the end the day. >> Well, and something you can't put your >> Well, and something you can't put your >> Well, and something you can't put your finger on until maybe way later and finger on until maybe way later and finger on until maybe way later and sometimes it's too late is like what's sometimes it's too late is like what's sometimes it's too late is like what's their passion like? Yeah. their passion like? Yeah. their passion like? Yeah. >> You know, the kid might show all kinds >> You know, the kid might show all kinds >> You know, the kid might show all kinds of promise, but he just might not like of promise, but he just might not like of promise, but he just might not like it that much. it that much. it that much. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And if you don't freaking love it, you >> And if you don't freaking love it, you >> And if you don't freaking love it, you ain't playing in in the NFL or in the ain't playing in in the NFL or in the ain't playing in in the NFL or in the NBA, you know what I mean? So, there's NBA, you know what I mean? So, there's NBA, you know what I mean? So, there's got to be an obsession to it got to be an obsession to it got to be an obsession to it >> that, you know, some kids may I just >> that, you know, some kids may I just >> that, you know, some kids may I just think it takes a lot long time to see think it takes a lot long time to see think it takes a lot long time to see that. And you can usually tell. I mean, that. And you can usually tell. I mean, that. And you can usually tell. I mean, I've been fortunate even when I was at I've been fortunate even when I was at I've been fortunate even when I was at Valor, I mean, a lot of my pro aletes Valor, I mean, a lot of my pro aletes Valor, I mean, a lot of my pro aletes came out of that high school and so I came out of that high school and so I came out of that high school and so I saw them as like freshman and saw them as like freshman and saw them as like freshman and sophomores. I could have probably tagged sophomores. I could have probably tagged sophomores. I could have probably tagged the ones that and told you that those the ones that and told you that those the ones that and told you that those were going to be the pro aleteshu, you were going to be the pro aleteshu, you were going to be the pro aleteshu, you know, and that was in a school that had know, and that was in a school that had know, and that was in a school that had a high population. I came from other a high population. I came from other a high population. I came from other schools before that. schools before that. schools before that. >> We we never had a pro alete come >> We we never had a pro alete come >> We we never had a pro alete come through, you know what I mean? Um, but through, you know what I mean? Um, but through, you know what I mean? Um, but you could tell the difference of a you could tell the difference of a you could tell the difference of a Janine Becky, Christian McAffrey, Mary Janine Becky, Christian McAffrey, Mary Janine Becky, Christian McAffrey, Mary Best Sant, you know, I could go down the Best Sant, you know, I could go down the Best Sant, you know, I could go down the list of Windam Clerk who won the US list of Windam Clerk who won the US list of Windam Clerk who won the US Open. I mean, that kid used to cut class Open. I mean, that kid used to cut class Open. I mean, that kid used to cut class to go train in the middle of the day up to go train in the middle of the day up to go train in the middle of the day up in the weight room. So, you could just in the weight room. So, you could just in the weight room. So, you could just tell there was something different about tell there was something different about tell there was something different about those those kids that ended up going and those those kids that ended up going and those those kids that ended up going and having success. having success. having success. >> Is gymnastics still one of the best base >> Is gymnastics still one of the best base >> Is gymnastics still one of the best base things to do for your kid? things to do for your kid? things to do for your kid? >> And why? >> And why? >> And why? >> I think body awareness um a little bit >> I think body awareness um a little bit >> I think body awareness um a little bit of, you know, uh um body weight, you of, you know, uh um body weight, you of, you know, uh um body weight, you know, strength strengthening. And it's, know, strength strengthening. And it's, know, strength strengthening. And it's, you know, we get we get people that come you know, we get we get people that come you know, we get we get people that come into our facilities, kids six, I want to into our facilities, kids six, I want to into our facilities, kids six, I want to train. And I'm like, uh how about train. And I'm like, uh how about train. And I'm like, uh how about gymnastics for a couple years? come back gymnastics for a couple years? come back gymnastics for a couple years? come back to us when you're nine, right? to us when you're nine, right? to us when you're nine, right? >> You know, they'll they'll assimilate >> You know, they'll they'll assimilate >> You know, they'll they'll assimilate better, right? Like go get them some better, right? Like go get them some better, right? Like go get them some really quality movement patterns and a really quality movement patterns and a really quality movement patterns and a little bit of strength exposure and then little bit of strength exposure and then little bit of strength exposure and then bring them back to us and we'll start bring them back to us and we'll start bring them back to us and we'll start doing some of the speed stuff cuz then doing some of the speed stuff cuz then doing some of the speed stuff cuz then otherwise what we're doing is kind of otherwise what we're doing is kind of otherwise what we're doing is kind of mimicking gymnastics, mimicking gymnastics, mimicking gymnastics, >> right? Remedial stuff. >> right? Remedial stuff. >> right? Remedial stuff. >> Just go get it just go get it coached up >> Just go get it just go get it coached up >> Just go get it just go get it coached up by a gymnastics coach. I I love by a gymnastics coach. I I love by a gymnastics coach. I I love gymnastics. I think it's great. gymnastics. I think it's great. gymnastics. I think it's great. >> What's one of the most difficult uh >> What's one of the most difficult uh >> What's one of the most difficult uh sports that you have to train an athlete sports that you have to train an athlete sports that you have to train an athlete for? Are some just harder than others? for? Are some just harder than others? for? Are some just harder than others? Uh, Uh, Uh, I mean, I think sports where there's I mean, I think sports where there's I mean, I think sports where there's like multi- multiacapacity or like like multi- multiacapacity or like like multi- multiacapacity or like multi-energy system is probably the multi-energy system is probably the multi-energy system is probably the harder sports to train. Like soccer is harder sports to train. Like soccer is harder sports to train. Like soccer is one of them, you know, where you kind of one of them, you know, where you kind of one of them, you know, where you kind of have this I mean I I I personally think have this I mean I I I personally think have this I mean I I I personally think it's more of a speed based sport, but it's more of a speed based sport, but it's more of a speed based sport, but then you're covering seven or eight then you're covering seven or eight then you're covering seven or eight miles a game, so there's kind of an miles a game, so there's kind of an miles a game, so there's kind of an endurance component to it as well. endurance component to it as well. endurance component to it as well. >> So it's not so straightforward and that >> So it's not so straightforward and that >> So it's not so straightforward and that kind of Yeah. So you got to kind of kind of Yeah. So you got to kind of kind of Yeah. So you got to kind of cover a lot of different, you know, cover a lot of different, you know, cover a lot of different, you know, things. I think a sport like tennis, you things. I think a sport like tennis, you things. I think a sport like tennis, you know, where it's again endurance, know, where it's again endurance, know, where it's again endurance, there's speed, there's hand eye there's speed, there's hand eye there's speed, there's hand eye coordination, there's strategy, like all coordination, there's strategy, like all coordination, there's strategy, like all those things going into it, those are those things going into it, those are those things going into it, those are also challenging. also challenging. also challenging. >> Do you do you help these young athletes >> Do you do you help these young athletes >> Do you do you help these young athletes with nutrition or is you just focus with nutrition or is you just focus with nutrition or is you just focus straightly straight on on the exercise? straightly straight on on the exercise? straightly straight on on the exercise? >> No, I mean for for me, like when I'm >> No, I mean for for me, like when I'm >> No, I mean for for me, like when I'm working with an NFL guy, typically working with an NFL guy, typically working with an NFL guy, typically you're not having to, you know, talk you're not having to, you know, talk you're not having to, you know, talk about nutrition too much. They usually about nutrition too much. They usually about nutrition too much. They usually have someone cooking for them or they're have someone cooking for them or they're have someone cooking for them or they're they're pretty, you know, they're pretty, you know, they're pretty, you know, >> coached up on that already. TK Metaf, >> coached up on that already. TK Metaf, >> coached up on that already. TK Metaf, >> but my wife does some of our nutrition >> but my wife does some of our nutrition >> but my wife does some of our nutrition consulting stuff. So, so she'll jump in consulting stuff. So, so she'll jump in consulting stuff. So, so she'll jump in and help out young athletes if they need and help out young athletes if they need and help out young athletes if they need help. And and again, for her, she tries help. And and again, for her, she tries help. And and again, for her, she tries to keep it really high level and just to keep it really high level and just to keep it really high level and just like kind of coach them on how to like like kind of coach them on how to like like kind of coach them on how to like here's just your basic macros, you know, here's just your basic macros, you know, here's just your basic macros, you know, how much protein should you be getting, how much protein should you be getting, how much protein should you be getting, how many carbs, and stay away from this how many carbs, and stay away from this how many carbs, and stay away from this stuff. And I mean, kids sometimes eat so stuff. And I mean, kids sometimes eat so stuff. And I mean, kids sometimes eat so poorly that you don't need to do much to poorly that you don't need to do much to poorly that you don't need to do much to move the needle. I mean, it's crazy. move the needle. I mean, it's crazy. move the needle. I mean, it's crazy. >> Just have one more protein shake. >> Just have one more protein shake. >> Just have one more protein shake. There's not a whole bag of like, you There's not a whole bag of like, you There's not a whole bag of like, you know, cheese bits and we're going to be know, cheese bits and we're going to be know, cheese bits and we're going to be okay. okay. okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Do you have to b I mean, I brought up DK >> Do you have to b I mean, I brought up DK >> Do you have to b I mean, I brought up DK Metaf because I thought I would think Metaf because I thought I would think Metaf because I thought I would think that you'd have kids that are young that you'd have kids that are young that you'd have kids that are young like, but he eats Skittles all day long like, but he eats Skittles all day long like, but he eats Skittles all day long and look at him. and look at him. and look at him. >> My answer is you're not DK Metaf. That's >> My answer is you're not DK Metaf. That's >> My answer is you're not DK Metaf. That's my answer, right? It's like uh who is uh my answer, right? It's like uh who is uh my answer, right? It's like uh who is uh who's the running back that used to eat who's the running back that used to eat who's the running back that used to eat the Skittles on the sidelines? the Skittles on the sidelines? the Skittles on the sidelines? >> Oh, that's Mar Lynch Lynch. >> Oh, that's Mar Lynch Lynch. >> Oh, that's Mar Lynch Lynch. >> You know, and it's like yeah, but you're >> You know, and it's like yeah, but you're >> You know, and it's like yeah, but you're not Marshon Lynch, so you don't get to not Marshon Lynch, so you don't get to not Marshon Lynch, so you don't get to do that. do that. do that. when you're a walking freak show, then when you're a walking freak show, then when you're a walking freak show, then you can do whatever you want to do. you can do whatever you want to do. you can do whatever you want to do. >> I mean, talk about that. How much uh cuz >> I mean, talk about that. How much uh cuz >> I mean, talk about that. How much uh cuz I'm sure this is also a thing too where I'm sure this is also a thing too where I'm sure this is also a thing too where parents or even the kid, you know, they parents or even the kid, you know, they parents or even the kid, you know, they have this expectation if I put in the have this expectation if I put in the have this expectation if I put in the work and like what a role genetics play work and like what a role genetics play work and like what a role genetics play like you just like you just like you just >> oh I had a guy I was with the Tennessee >> oh I had a guy I was with the Tennessee >> oh I had a guy I was with the Tennessee Titans last week and a guy came up to Titans last week and a guy came up to Titans last week and a guy came up to John Shaw who's the speed coach there John Shaw who's the speed coach there John Shaw who's the speed coach there and he he you know I was standing in the and he he you know I was standing in the and he he you know I was standing in the wing a little bit and he said, "Hey wing a little bit and he said, "Hey wing a little bit and he said, "Hey coach, so who who would you say is the coach, so who who would you say is the coach, so who who would you say is the best the best speed coach in in you know best the best speed coach in in you know best the best speed coach in in you know to go see? who is it? And I and I tapped to go see? who is it? And I and I tapped to go see? who is it? And I and I tapped him on the shoulder. I said, "It's your him on the shoulder. I said, "It's your him on the shoulder. I said, "It's your mom and dad." mom and dad." mom and dad." >> Genetics. >> Genetics. >> Genetics. >> You know, it's like it is genetics play >> You know, it's like it is genetics play >> You know, it's like it is genetics play a huge part in it, right? And there's, a huge part in it, right? And there's, a huge part in it, right? And there's, you know, there's few of us that do a you know, there's few of us that do a you know, there's few of us that do a pretty good job of molding that and, you pretty good job of molding that and, you pretty good job of molding that and, you know, have some good systems in place, know, have some good systems in place, know, have some good systems in place, but yeah, genetics play a massive role but yeah, genetics play a massive role but yeah, genetics play a massive role in a lot of this. in a lot of this. in a lot of this. >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you uh do you follow >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you uh do you follow >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you uh do you follow other coaches outside like like one of other coaches outside like like one of other coaches outside like like one of my buddies Paul Fabitz does all the NBA my buddies Paul Fabitz does all the NBA my buddies Paul Fabitz does all the NBA players. Do you follow any other guys players. Do you follow any other guys players. Do you follow any other guys like that? Like who are some of your like that? Like who are some of your like that? Like who are some of your favorite peers? favorite peers? favorite peers? >> I do. I mean, I I I feel like I'm a >> I do. I mean, I I I feel like I'm a >> I do. I mean, I I I feel like I'm a little bit of a lifelong learner. I'm in little bit of a lifelong learner. I'm in little bit of a lifelong learner. I'm in a little bit of a slow season of my life a little bit of a slow season of my life a little bit of a slow season of my life right now. I haven't made some changes right now. I haven't made some changes right now. I haven't made some changes in business and stuff like that. So, but in business and stuff like that. So, but in business and stuff like that. So, but it but I mean on the daily I'm I'm it but I mean on the daily I'm I'm it but I mean on the daily I'm I'm looking at what other people are doing looking at what other people are doing looking at what other people are doing and studying it and you know I'm I'm and studying it and you know I'm I'm and studying it and you know I'm I'm back reading Super Training again uh back reading Super Training again uh back reading Super Training again uh which is a book that I recommend to which is a book that I recommend to which is a book that I recommend to every coach. It's it's a tough read man. every coach. It's it's a tough read man. every coach. It's it's a tough read man. it is really really like you know it is really really like you know it is really really like you know intricate and so intricate and so intricate and so >> but um I mean guys guys in my kind of >> but um I mean guys guys in my kind of >> but um I mean guys guys in my kind of neck of the woods right guys like Les neck of the woods right guys like Les neck of the woods right guys like Les Spelman um uh Tony Holler and uh Ryan Spelman um uh Tony Holler and uh Ryan Spelman um uh Tony Holler and uh Ryan Paul up in there's a new guy that I've Paul up in there's a new guy that I've Paul up in there's a new guy that I've kind of started following a little bit kind of started following a little bit kind of started following a little bit big J Schroeder guy uh up in Seattle uh big J Schroeder guy uh up in Seattle uh big J Schroeder guy uh up in Seattle uh Cal Deetsz um Cal Deetsz um Cal Deetsz um >> you know there's just a lot of a lot of >> you know there's just a lot of a lot of >> you know there's just a lot of a lot of guys out there that have a lot to offer guys out there that have a lot to offer guys out there that have a lot to offer you know and I'm not going to go listen you know and I'm not going to go listen you know and I'm not going to go listen to them and then just completely change to them and then just completely change to them and then just completely change what I'm doing but I can always get 1% % what I'm doing but I can always get 1% % what I'm doing but I can always get 1% % better. better. better. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, so yeah, I I'm a I'm always >> You know, so yeah, I I'm a I'm always >> You know, so yeah, I I'm a I'm always poking in on what people are doing. poking in on what people are doing. poking in on what people are doing. >> What's one of the recent more recent >> What's one of the recent more recent >> What's one of the recent more recent things you've learned uh where you're things you've learned uh where you're things you've learned uh where you're like, "Oh, that's interesting. I think like, "Oh, that's interesting. I think like, "Oh, that's interesting. I think I'll try that." I'll try that." I'll try that." >> Yeah. I think actually it's funny cuz we >> Yeah. I think actually it's funny cuz we >> Yeah. I think actually it's funny cuz we were down at outside the box in Florida were down at outside the box in Florida were down at outside the box in Florida with the Z Tread guys and they brought with the Z Tread guys and they brought with the Z Tread guys and they brought in it's outside the box. So they bring in it's outside the box. So they bring in it's outside the box. So they bring in these guys that are, you know, a in these guys that are, you know, a in these guys that are, you know, a little bit outside thinkers. David Wet little bit outside thinkers. David Wet little bit outside thinkers. David Wet was there. If you guys know David was there. If you guys know David was there. If you guys know David >> speaking outside the box >> speaking outside the box >> speaking outside the box character, but you know what? He's got character, but you know what? He's got character, but you know what? He's got some really good content. You know, he's some really good content. You know, he's some really good content. You know, he's an interesting cat. And so Ryan was a an interesting cat. And so Ryan was a an interesting cat. And so Ryan was a guy that showed up. He had never guy that showed up. He had never guy that showed up. He had never actually spoke at a clinic before, but actually spoke at a clinic before, but actually spoke at a clinic before, but he's trained like hundreds of NFL guys he's trained like hundreds of NFL guys he's trained like hundreds of NFL guys and he's a J Schroeder guy. And so he and he's a J Schroeder guy. And so he and he's a J Schroeder guy. And so he brought a lot of that kind of neural brought a lot of that kind of neural brought a lot of that kind of neural training stuff and it it reinforced some training stuff and it it reinforced some training stuff and it it reinforced some of the things that I had done in the of the things that I had done in the of the things that I had done in the past and gave me some even new fresh past and gave me some even new fresh past and gave me some even new fresh ideas on, you know, how to do it. And I ideas on, you know, how to do it. And I ideas on, you know, how to do it. And I spent an hour with him on the phone spent an hour with him on the phone spent an hour with him on the phone after the conference. We talked. He kind after the conference. We talked. He kind after the conference. We talked. He kind of walked me through his system and I'm of walked me through his system and I'm of walked me through his system and I'm actually going to take a trip up there actually going to take a trip up there actually going to take a trip up there hopefully in the fall to see him. hopefully in the fall to see him. hopefully in the fall to see him. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because he's really good at what he >> Because he's really good at what he >> Because he's really good at what he does. And does. And does. And >> so yeah, I mean I you know he he's >> so yeah, I mean I you know he he's >> so yeah, I mean I you know he he's that's kind of some of the newer stuff that's kind of some of the newer stuff that's kind of some of the newer stuff that I'm looking at right now is just that I'm looking at right now is just that I'm looking at right now is just you know how to how to manipulate and you know how to how to manipulate and you know how to how to manipulate and you know the neural side of the you know the neural side of the you know the neural side of the neuromchanical structural. neuromchanical structural. neuromchanical structural. >> Have you have you dove into uh David Wet >> Have you have you dove into uh David Wet >> Have you have you dove into uh David Wet stuff? I mean I've gone through a lot of stuff? I mean I've gone through a lot of stuff? I mean I've gone through a lot of his stuff like and his big thing is like his stuff like and his big thing is like his stuff like and his big thing is like the coiling like that the coiling like that the coiling like that >> coiling. Yeah. Head overfoot coiling. Um >> coiling. Yeah. Head overfoot coiling. Um >> coiling. Yeah. Head overfoot coiling. Um you know he's got his finger stuff that you know he's got his finger stuff that you know he's got his finger stuff that he does and yeah you know for some of it he does and yeah you know for some of it he does and yeah you know for some of it with David like the conceptually it with David like the conceptually it with David like the conceptually it makes sense. I think that practically makes sense. I think that practically makes sense. I think that practically for me, having, you know, when I'm for me, having, you know, when I'm for me, having, you know, when I'm working with athletes, I kind of wonder working with athletes, I kind of wonder working with athletes, I kind of wonder sometimes, well, how do I how do I make sometimes, well, how do I how do I make sometimes, well, how do I how do I make that happen? Sure. Now, I have used I that happen? Sure. Now, I have used I that happen? Sure. Now, I have used I just got one of his uh Prop Pulse vests. just got one of his uh Prop Pulse vests. just got one of his uh Prop Pulse vests. Yeah. I don't know if you've seen those, Yeah. I don't know if you've seen those, Yeah. I don't know if you've seen those, but it's a weight vest. Yeah. And inside but it's a weight vest. Yeah. And inside but it's a weight vest. Yeah. And inside the weight, it's got a spring at the the weight, it's got a spring at the the weight, it's got a spring at the bottom. So, the weight actually comes bottom. So, the weight actually comes bottom. So, the weight actually comes down on the spring as you're loading, down on the spring as you're loading, down on the spring as you're loading, >> but then as you unload that that spring, >> but then as you unload that that spring, >> but then as you unload that that spring, you almost get a little momentum off the you almost get a little momentum off the you almost get a little momentum off the ground. ground. ground. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> It's actually really cool. So, you can >> It's actually really cool. So, you can >> It's actually really cool. So, you can do everything from like plyometrics to do everything from like plyometrics to do everything from like plyometrics to sprinting. And I actually wore it to sprinting. And I actually wore it to sprinting. And I actually wore it to walk in the other day. Three and a half walk in the other day. Three and a half walk in the other day. Three and a half miles of listening to myself kakco kung miles of listening to myself kakco kung miles of listening to myself kakco kung kung you know as I'm walking drove my kung you know as I'm walking drove my kung you know as I'm walking drove my wife. wife. wife. >> Oh that is interesting. I mean it almost >> Oh that is interesting. I mean it almost >> Oh that is interesting. I mean it almost would give you similar like band would give you similar like band would give you similar like band assisted to like plyometric type assisted to like plyometric type assisted to like plyometric type movements. movements. movements. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. That's kind of >> Yeah. That's kind of >> Yeah. That's kind of >> you know he invented the Bosu ball. >> you know he invented the Bosu ball. >> you know he invented the Bosu ball. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Oh he did. He did. And so this is this >> Oh he did. He did. And so this is this >> Oh he did. He did. And so this is this propulse vest is kind of his latest. propulse vest is kind of his latest. propulse vest is kind of his latest. >> Those foot platforms that are like >> Those foot platforms that are like >> Those foot platforms that are like angled. Oh, and he does those he has angled. Oh, and he does those he has angled. Oh, and he does those he has those other things that his little those other things that his little those other things that his little pulses. pulses. pulses. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> The concept of the vest is similar to >> The concept of the vest is similar to >> The concept of the vest is similar to the to the hand weights. the to the hand weights. the to the hand weights. >> Yeah. Oh, that's cool. >> Yeah. Oh, that's cool. >> Yeah. Oh, that's cool. >> That's interesting. >> That's interesting. >> That's interesting. >> Supplements. Do you recommend >> Supplements. Do you recommend >> Supplements. Do you recommend supplements to some of your athletes? supplements to some of your athletes? supplements to some of your athletes? >> Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I try to >> Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I try to >> Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I try to steer clear of it a little bit with the steer clear of it a little bit with the steer clear of it a little bit with the younger athletes, right? I mean, even younger athletes, right? I mean, even younger athletes, right? I mean, even even up and through high school, I just even up and through high school, I just even up and through high school, I just kind of feel like, you know, I think one kind of feel like, you know, I think one kind of feel like, you know, I think one thing my dad had a big impact on me on thing my dad had a big impact on me on thing my dad had a big impact on me on was like, don't start supplement until was like, don't start supplement until was like, don't start supplement until you've maybe maxed out yourself you've maybe maxed out yourself you've maybe maxed out yourself naturally. And even those supplements naturally. And even those supplements naturally. And even those supplements can just be an enhancement. They're not can just be an enhancement. They're not can just be an enhancement. They're not like you're not taking steroids or like you're not taking steroids or like you're not taking steroids or something you ridiculous like that. something you ridiculous like that. something you ridiculous like that. You're But you know, even like creatine, You're But you know, even like creatine, You're But you know, even like creatine, he always had me hold off on that. It he always had me hold off on that. It he always had me hold off on that. It was just coming out back then. But he's was just coming out back then. But he's was just coming out back then. But he's like, "Get let's max you out and then like, "Get let's max you out and then like, "Get let's max you out and then once you've maxed out, then we'll start once you've maxed out, then we'll start once you've maxed out, then we'll start supplementation." So supplementation." So supplementation." So >> I think creatine, as much research has >> I think creatine, as much research has >> I think creatine, as much research has been done on it, if an athlete nowadays been done on it, if an athlete nowadays been done on it, if an athlete nowadays isn't taking it, they're foolish. Um I isn't taking it, they're foolish. Um I isn't taking it, they're foolish. Um I think it's got so many great positive think it's got so many great positive think it's got so many great positive benefits. You know, fish oils, um you benefits. You know, fish oils, um you benefits. You know, fish oils, um you know, just just some of the basics, know, just just some of the basics, know, just just some of the basics, minerals and stuff. I I don't minerals and stuff. I I don't minerals and stuff. I I don't necessarily promote like a brand or you necessarily promote like a brand or you necessarily promote like a brand or you know big into supplements. I just don't know big into supplements. I just don't know big into supplements. I just don't like people to have to I see your like people to have to I see your like people to have to I see your element box over here. My wife deals element box over here. My wife deals element box over here. My wife deals that stuff like a like a crack dealer that stuff like a like a crack dealer that stuff like a like a crack dealer >> and we love that for you know the the >> and we love that for you know the the >> and we love that for you know the the salt and potassium stuff. So salt and potassium stuff. So salt and potassium stuff. So >> that's awesome. >> that's awesome. >> that's awesome. >> Have you with the pro aletes? I would >> Have you with the pro aletes? I would >> Have you with the pro aletes? I would think that you're getting a lot of think that you're getting a lot of think that you're getting a lot of people probably asking you about people probably asking you about people probably asking you about peptides and stuff like that. Is that a peptides and stuff like that. Is that a peptides and stuff like that. Is that a common thing that you got to like again common thing that you got to like again common thing that you got to like again >> Yeah. I don't get hit with it a lot. >> Yeah. I don't get hit with it a lot. >> Yeah. I don't get hit with it a lot. really. really. really. >> I don't just because like especially >> I don't just because like especially >> I don't just because like especially with the NFL guys, there's there's so with the NFL guys, there's there's so with the NFL guys, there's there's so many that are on the band substance list many that are on the band substance list many that are on the band substance list that it's kind of a nonoption. that it's kind of a nonoption. that it's kind of a nonoption. >> Um it used to be a couple years ago, >> Um it used to be a couple years ago, >> Um it used to be a couple years ago, right? It was just a few years ago they right? It was just a few years ago they right? It was just a few years ago they took BPC and put it on the list cuz I took BPC and put it on the list cuz I took BPC and put it on the list cuz I mean most of our athletes were taking mean most of our athletes were taking mean most of our athletes were taking that, you know, by the as much as they that, you know, by the as much as they that, you know, by the as much as they get their hands on. get their hands on. get their hands on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um but now that's banned and I think >> Um but now that's banned and I think >> Um but now that's banned and I think just about just about all of them are on just about just about all of them are on just about just about all of them are on the water list now. the water list now. the water list now. >> Oh, they are all on the water. I didn't >> Oh, they are all on the water. I didn't >> Oh, they are all on the water. I didn't know that. know that. know that. >> What's interesting is I don't know how >> What's interesting is I don't know how >> What's interesting is I don't know how they would test for them but still. they would test for them but still. they would test for them but still. >> Right. Exactly. Well, and that's the >> Right. Exactly. Well, and that's the >> Right. Exactly. Well, and that's the thing even with BPC it's got like a thing even with BPC it's got like a thing even with BPC it's got like a 2hour shelf life or something. So, I 2hour shelf life or something. So, I 2hour shelf life or something. So, I don't know how you'd get caught, but don't know how you'd get caught, but don't know how you'd get caught, but >> plus your body makes it naturally. So, >> plus your body makes it naturally. So, >> plus your body makes it naturally. So, how's it How do you know it's there? how's it How do you know it's there? how's it How do you know it's there? >> Right. Oh, interesting. Okay. I didn't >> Right. Oh, interesting. Okay. I didn't >> Right. Oh, interesting. Okay. I didn't know that. I didn't know it was on the know that. I didn't know it was on the know that. I didn't know it was on the water. Did you know it's on water? water. Did you know it's on water? water. Did you know it's on water? >> Oh, yeah. All of them are. >> Oh, yeah. All of them are. >> Oh, yeah. All of them are. >> Oh, you did? Oh, I didn't know that. I >> Oh, you did? Oh, I didn't know that. I >> Oh, you did? Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know it was on water. There's a didn't know it was on water. There's a didn't know it was on water. There's a single one that's on. single one that's on. single one that's on. >> Very, very cool. Well, that's great. So, >> Very, very cool. Well, that's great. So, >> Very, very cool. Well, that's great. So, so all these years uh working with so all these years uh working with so all these years uh working with athletes, uh do you like it as much as athletes, uh do you like it as much as athletes, uh do you like it as much as you did in the beginning? More less? you did in the beginning? More less? you did in the beginning? More less? >> I do, man. I really do. like I you know >> I do, man. I really do. like I you know >> I do, man. I really do. like I you know I maybe I don't miss being on the floor I maybe I don't miss being on the floor I maybe I don't miss being on the floor 8 to 10 hours a day and like you know 8 to 10 hours a day and like you know 8 to 10 hours a day and like you know grinding uh but I still look forward to grinding uh but I still look forward to grinding uh but I still look forward to you know working with an athlete putting you know working with an athlete putting you know working with an athlete putting a program together solving the problem a program together solving the problem a program together solving the problem right because there's especially I think right because there's especially I think right because there's especially I think now the difference is it used to just be now the difference is it used to just be now the difference is it used to just be write a workout for all these kids and write a workout for all these kids and write a workout for all these kids and it's pretty much going to move you know it's pretty much going to move you know it's pretty much going to move you know it's going to work for all of them and it's going to work for all of them and it's going to work for all of them and now it's a much different you know now it's a much different you know now it's a much different you know problem solving formula of you know hey problem solving formula of you know hey problem solving formula of you know hey this athletes got this knee issue coming this athletes got this knee issue coming this athletes got this knee issue coming out of the season so how are we going to out of the season so how are we going to out of the season so how are we going to mitigate that and get him back and then mitigate that and get him back and then mitigate that and get him back and then we'll start our speed work and you know we'll start our speed work and you know we'll start our speed work and you know there's a lot or planning that goes in. there's a lot or planning that goes in. there's a lot or planning that goes in. I had my NHL guy reach out to me last I had my NHL guy reach out to me last I had my NHL guy reach out to me last week like, "Hey, I I I got a, you know, week like, "Hey, I I I got a, you know, week like, "Hey, I I I got a, you know, torn or a strained MCL. Like, I need to torn or a strained MCL. Like, I need to torn or a strained MCL. Like, I need to get stronger here and here's what they get stronger here and here's what they get stronger here and here's what they recommend. What do you have for me?" So, recommend. What do you have for me?" So, recommend. What do you have for me?" So, now I get to like, you know, go in the now I get to like, you know, go in the now I get to like, you know, go in the lab and kind of figure out what we're lab and kind of figure out what we're lab and kind of figure out what we're going to do with him. So, I still do going to do with him. So, I still do going to do with him. So, I still do love it. I mean, I right now is a little love it. I mean, I right now is a little love it. I mean, I right now is a little bit of a weird time for me because I'm bit of a weird time for me because I'm bit of a weird time for me because I'm not actively training. I don't have an not actively training. I don't have an not actively training. I don't have an active gym that I'm necessarily involved active gym that I'm necessarily involved active gym that I'm necessarily involved with outside of the ETSs, you know, with outside of the ETSs, you know, with outside of the ETSs, you know, stuff that I'm doing. And so, it's kind stuff that I'm doing. And so, it's kind stuff that I'm doing. And so, it's kind of giving me time to, you know, put some of giving me time to, you know, put some of giving me time to, you know, put some ideas in place. Um, I'm working on an ideas in place. Um, I'm working on an ideas in place. Um, I'm working on an ebook that we'll put out this summer on ebook that we'll put out this summer on ebook that we'll put out this summer on some training stuff and so some digital, some training stuff and so some digital, some training stuff and so some digital, you know, products and assets that I've you know, products and assets that I've you know, products and assets that I've never really had time to do. So, yeah, I never really had time to do. So, yeah, I never really had time to do. So, yeah, I still love it. still love it. still love it. >> For someone who's a personal trainer >> For someone who's a personal trainer >> For someone who's a personal trainer listening right now and they want to get listening right now and they want to get listening right now and they want to get into your field, what what what into your field, what what what into your field, what what what direction should they go? direction should they go? direction should they go? >> Um, it's funny. I had this phone call a >> Um, it's funny. I had this phone call a >> Um, it's funny. I had this phone call a month ago. Um, and I I would say one of month ago. Um, and I I would say one of month ago. Um, and I I would say one of two things. Like, if you if you have a two things. Like, if you if you have a two things. Like, if you if you have a real passion for it, you got to dive all real passion for it, you got to dive all real passion for it, you got to dive all the way in. I I don't think that the way in. I I don't think that the way in. I I don't think that personal trainers that come out of that personal trainers that come out of that personal trainers that come out of that world that dabble in sports performance world that dabble in sports performance world that dabble in sports performance are ever going to have a lot of success. are ever going to have a lot of success. are ever going to have a lot of success. >> They might have enough knowledge to be >> They might have enough knowledge to be >> They might have enough knowledge to be dangerous, but you got to go all in. And dangerous, but you got to go all in. And dangerous, but you got to go all in. And so my advice would be if you want to do so my advice would be if you want to do so my advice would be if you want to do that, go all in. And by all in it might that, go all in. And by all in it might that, go all in. And by all in it might mean an unpaid internship. It might mean mean an unpaid internship. It might mean mean an unpaid internship. It might mean taking a course with, you know, us or taking a course with, you know, us or taking a course with, you know, us or Altus or, you know, whoever to to really Altus or, you know, whoever to to really Altus or, you know, whoever to to really dive all the way deep because it's just dive all the way deep because it's just dive all the way deep because it's just they're two different worlds. Totally. they're two different worlds. Totally. they're two different worlds. Totally. They really are. There there's a huge They really are. There there's a huge They really are. There there's a huge difference between trying to help your difference between trying to help your difference between trying to help your average, you know, mom do some athletic average, you know, mom do some athletic average, you know, mom do some athletic things versus training an athlete. things versus training an athlete. things versus training an athlete. Exactly. And and I think a a personal Exactly. And and I think a a personal Exactly. And and I think a a personal trainer who has some sort of, you know, trainer who has some sort of, you know, trainer who has some sort of, you know, sports performance background can help sports performance background can help sports performance background can help the average mom be a little more the average mom be a little more the average mom be a little more athletic like that. But you ain't taking athletic like that. But you ain't taking athletic like that. But you ain't taking no athlete to another level. Like that's no athlete to another level. Like that's no athlete to another level. Like that's a whole another game. a whole another game. a whole another game. >> I mean, I know I know sports performance >> I mean, I know I know sports performance >> I mean, I know I know sports performance coaches that have been doing it for 10, coaches that have been doing it for 10, coaches that have been doing it for 10, 15 years and never really got their 15 years and never really got their 15 years and never really got their break to work with some bigname or pro break to work with some bigname or pro break to work with some bigname or pro alete, right? It just takes a lot of alete, right? It just takes a lot of alete, right? It just takes a lot of time to be really good at what you're time to be really good at what you're time to be really good at what you're doing and then have somebody take a doing and then have somebody take a doing and then have somebody take a chance on you before you actually reach chance on you before you actually reach chance on you before you actually reach that. And so just to be like, I'm going that. And so just to be like, I'm going that. And so just to be like, I'm going to dabble like I'm going to keep being a to dabble like I'm going to keep being a to dabble like I'm going to keep being a personal trainer. And there's some damn personal trainer. And there's some damn personal trainer. And there's some damn good personal trainers, don't get me good personal trainers, don't get me good personal trainers, don't get me wrong. wrong. wrong. >> Um I'm going to hire one of you guys to >> Um I'm going to hire one of you guys to >> Um I'm going to hire one of you guys to help me get uh big muslin. But uh help me get uh big muslin. But uh help me get uh big muslin. But uh >> yeah, I think I think you got to be, you >> yeah, I think I think you got to be, you >> yeah, I think I think you got to be, you know, to your point, you got to be all know, to your point, you got to be all know, to your point, you got to be all in. in. in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I could see that. And it's it's >> Yeah, I could see that. And it's it's >> Yeah, I could see that. And it's it's also one of the harder also one of the harder also one of the harder >> um fields or or segments of our of our >> um fields or or segments of our of our >> um fields or or segments of our of our space to build a career. Yep. you're space to build a career. Yep. you're space to build a career. Yep. you're going to train like being a personal going to train like being a personal going to train like being a personal trainer, building your career is tough. trainer, building your career is tough. trainer, building your career is tough. Now you're going to go into like Now you're going to go into like Now you're going to go into like specialized athletes. It's very specialized athletes. It's very specialized athletes. It's very difficult. So, difficult. So, difficult. So, >> and that's that's what I loved. That's >> and that's that's what I loved. That's >> and that's that's what I loved. That's was one of the draws with ETSs is was one of the draws with ETSs is was one of the draws with ETSs is honestly it's created opportunity for honestly it's created opportunity for honestly it's created opportunity for the young aspiring the young aspiring the young aspiring >> sports performance coach that is going >> sports performance coach that is going >> sports performance coach that is going to make 40 grand for the rest of their to make 40 grand for the rest of their to make 40 grand for the rest of their life at some college, you know, unless life at some college, you know, unless life at some college, you know, unless you get a break, you know, here and you get a break, you know, here and you get a break, you know, here and there, but that's pretty small. And it there, but that's pretty small. And it there, but that's pretty small. And it gives them an opportunity. I mean, they, gives them an opportunity. I mean, they, gives them an opportunity. I mean, they, you know, they start with a pretty good you know, they start with a pretty good you know, they start with a pretty good little salary and they can make upwards little salary and they can make upwards little salary and they can make upwards of six figures uh if they hustle. And of six figures uh if they hustle. And of six figures uh if they hustle. And that just isn't that's an anomaly in our that just isn't that's an anomaly in our that just isn't that's an anomaly in our industry. So it's they have a great, you industry. So it's they have a great, you industry. So it's they have a great, you know, setup to help out some of those know, setup to help out some of those know, setup to help out some of those younger coaches that want to do it as a younger coaches that want to do it as a younger coaches that want to do it as a as a career. Very cool. Yeah. Well, as a career. Very cool. Yeah. Well, as a career. Very cool. Yeah. Well, Brian, this has been great, man. Brian, this has been great, man. Brian, this has been great, man. Awesome. Yeah, it's good to have you Awesome. Yeah, it's good to have you Awesome. Yeah, it's good to have you back on, my friend. It's great to have back on, my friend. It's great to have back on, my friend. It's great to have somebody like really good coach uh you somebody like really good coach uh you somebody like really good coach uh you know, on our show talking to athletes know, on our show talking to athletes know, on our show talking to athletes and trainers. So, I appreciate you and trainers. So, I appreciate you and trainers. So, I appreciate you coming on. coming on. coming on. >> You guys are always a blast, man. >> You guys are always a blast, man. >> You guys are always a blast, man. >> I can't wait to take take my uh paste. I >> I can't wait to take take my uh paste. I >> I can't wait to take take my uh paste. I want want want >> That's right. Try that for sure. >> That's right. Try that for sure. >> That's right. Try that for sure. >> So, it improves blood flow. What areas >> So, it improves blood flow. What areas >> So, it improves blood flow. What areas can you rub that on? can you rub that on? can you rub that on? We'll talk about next podcast. We'll talk about next podcast. We'll talk about next podcast. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate you, bro. Thank you. >> Appreciate you, bro. Thank you. >> Appreciate you, bro. Thank you. >> All right. I know you like that episode. >> All right. I know you like that episode. >> All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. Stop If you did, check this one out. Stop If you did, check this one out. Stop doing three sets of 12 to build muscle doing three sets of 12 to build muscle doing three sets of 12 to build muscle and do this instead. You guys want to and do this instead. You guys want to and do this instead. You guys want to guess? guess? guess? >> Stop doing the three sets of 12 and do >> Stop doing the three sets of 12 and do >> Stop doing the three sets of 12 and do this instead. Uh, with that intro, my this instead. Uh, with that intro, my this instead. Uh, with that intro, my guess is you're going to tell people to guess is you're going to tell people to guess is you're going to tell people to change the rep range up to Yeah. 5x5 or change the rep range up to Yeah. 5x5 or change the rep range up to Yeah. 5x5 or low rep range. Do you guys remember when low rep range. Do you guys remember when low rep range. Do you guys remember when you're going? you're going? you're going? >> Yeah.