Raymond Ibrahim: Jefferson Left a Warning About Islam in 1786. The West Forgot It.

If you look at pictures from these If you look at pictures from these Middle Eastern nations, you will be Middle Eastern nations, you will be Middle Eastern nations, you will be amazed. If you look at a 1920s picture, amazed. If you look at a 1920s picture, amazed. If you look at a 1920s picture, you'll think you're looking at Europe. you'll think you're looking at Europe. you'll think you're looking at Europe. >> There feels like a sense of a warning >> There feels like a sense of a warning >> There feels like a sense of a warning that you're giving the West about Islam, that you're giving the West about Islam, that you're giving the West about Islam, that we're not taking it seriously that we're not taking it seriously that we're not taking it seriously enough. enough. enough. >> Most of what we call the Muslim world, >> Most of what we call the Muslim world, >> Most of what we call the Muslim world, which again, North Africa, the Middle which again, North Africa, the Middle which again, North Africa, the Middle East, but all into Asia, the vast East, but all into Asia, the vast East, but all into Asia, the vast majority of that land was taken by majority of that land was taken by majority of that land was taken by conquest. So now you fast forward to conquest. So now you fast forward to conquest. So now you fast forward to today, and your average Westerner, your today, and your average Westerner, your today, and your average Westerner, your European has no idea about this. You European has no idea about this. You European has no idea about this. You have to understand who and what you're have to understand who and what you're have to understand who and what you're bringing in. Who's the enemy? everyone bringing in. Who's the enemy? everyone bringing in. Who's the enemy? everyone who's not a Muslim. Okay. Are there who's not a Muslim. Okay. Are there who's not a Muslim. Okay. Are there Christians who are nominal Christians Christians who are nominal Christians Christians who are nominal Christians who want to engage in violence? And who want to engage in violence? And who want to engage in violence? And yeah, of course. yeah, of course. yeah, of course. >> Can Islam have an enlightenment and >> Can Islam have an enlightenment and >> Can Islam have an enlightenment and truly reform itself? truly reform itself? truly reform itself? >> You or Sam Harris, Muslims don't care >> You or Sam Harris, Muslims don't care >> You or Sam Harris, Muslims don't care what you think? >> If you had to put forward a thesis about >> If you had to put forward a thesis about how the West should think about Islam, how the West should think about Islam, how the West should think about Islam, what would it be? what would it be? what would it be? >> The thesis would be that Islam is um not >> The thesis would be that Islam is um not >> The thesis would be that Islam is um not just another religion. It's an entire just another religion. It's an entire just another religion. It's an entire coherent political system. A lot of coherent political system. A lot of coherent political system. A lot of people are approaching Sharia, which is people are approaching Sharia, which is people are approaching Sharia, which is usually loosely translated as Islamic usually loosely translated as Islamic usually loosely translated as Islamic law. And they're they have no problem law. And they're they have no problem law. And they're they have no problem condemning it. A lot of Americans, you condemning it. A lot of Americans, you condemning it. A lot of Americans, you know, Greg Abbott, Trump Abbott said know, Greg Abbott, Trump Abbott said know, Greg Abbott, Trump Abbott said there's no room for Sharia in um in there's no room for Sharia in um in there's no room for Sharia in um in Texas, for example. Texas, for example. Texas, for example. >> And that's all well and good, but I >> And that's all well and good, but I >> And that's all well and good, but I think as people start learning, well, think as people start learning, well, think as people start learning, well, guess what? Sharia and Islam are guess what? Sharia and Islam are guess what? Sharia and Islam are inherently the same. You know, one I inherently the same. You know, one I inherently the same. You know, one I call one Islam the descriptive name of call one Islam the descriptive name of call one Islam the descriptive name of the religion and Sharia is the the religion and Sharia is the the religion and Sharia is the prescriptive application. So that's I prescriptive application. So that's I prescriptive application. So that's I guess that would be my ultimate thesis guess that would be my ultimate thesis guess that would be my ultimate thesis which is you know maybe you see what which is you know maybe you see what which is you know maybe you see what Sharia is maybe you don't like it maybe Sharia is maybe you don't like it maybe Sharia is maybe you don't like it maybe you find it incompatible with the west you find it incompatible with the west you find it incompatible with the west but guess what that's not just some but guess what that's not just some but guess what that's not just some weird accretion that some radicals do weird accretion that some radicals do weird accretion that some radicals do that is Islam. All right. So, when I'm that is Islam. All right. So, when I'm that is Islam. All right. So, when I'm reading the stuff you write, when I hear reading the stuff you write, when I hear reading the stuff you write, when I hear you talk on the internet, there feels you talk on the internet, there feels you talk on the internet, there feels like a sense of a warning that you're like a sense of a warning that you're like a sense of a warning that you're giving the West about Islam that we're giving the West about Islam that we're giving the West about Islam that we're not taking it seriously enough. not taking it seriously enough. not taking it seriously enough. Something along those lines. Does that Something along those lines. Does that Something along those lines. Does that feel fair? feel fair? feel fair? >> From the very beginning of Islam in the >> From the very beginning of Islam in the >> From the very beginning of Islam in the 7th century, after Muhammad dies and 7th century, after Muhammad dies and 7th century, after Muhammad dies and Arabia is consolidated under the banner Arabia is consolidated under the banner Arabia is consolidated under the banner of Islam, they go on the jihad according of Islam, they go on the jihad according of Islam, they go on the jihad according to Islamic teaching. And in one century to Islamic teaching. And in one century to Islamic teaching. And in one century from the death of Muhammad 632 to 732, from the death of Muhammad 632 to 732, from the death of Muhammad 632 to 732, they literally have conquered they literally have conquered they literally have conquered threearters of the Christian world which threearters of the Christian world which threearters of the Christian world which most people have no idea about. Okay. most people have no idea about. Okay. most people have no idea about. Okay. >> When people hear of countries like Egypt >> When people hear of countries like Egypt >> When people hear of countries like Egypt and Syria or Turkey, they just have in and Syria or Turkey, they just have in and Syria or Turkey, they just have in their mind this vague idea that they their mind this vague idea that they their mind this vague idea that they were always either Muslim or kind of were always either Muslim or kind of were always either Muslim or kind of Eastern. Eastern. Eastern. >> Yeah. No, they were actually if you went >> Yeah. No, they were actually if you went >> Yeah. No, they were actually if you went in the seventh century that was in the seventh century that was in the seventh century that was Christianity was more ingrained in Christianity was more ingrained in Christianity was more ingrained in Egypt, in Turkey, in Syria, in Morocco, Egypt, in Turkey, in Syria, in Morocco, Egypt, in Turkey, in Syria, in Morocco, Moritania, and in Tunisia. You know, the Moritania, and in Tunisia. You know, the Moritania, and in Tunisia. You know, the father of Western theology, Augustine, father of Western theology, Augustine, father of Western theology, Augustine, he's from Tunisia. He's a North African. he's from Tunisia. He's a North African. he's from Tunisia. He's a North African. He was a Berber. Okay? And most of the He was a Berber. Okay? And most of the He was a Berber. Okay? And most of the the early fathers were Egyptians and the early fathers were Egyptians and the early fathers were Egyptians and Syrians and so forth. And uh you had Syrians and so forth. And uh you had Syrians and so forth. And uh you had five seas, five major centers. One was five seas, five major centers. One was five seas, five major centers. One was Rome. The other four, Alexandria, Rome. The other four, Alexandria, Rome. The other four, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Constantinople, all got conquered by Islam. So it was a all got conquered by Islam. So it was a all got conquered by Islam. So it was a long constant war that went on literally long constant war that went on literally long constant war that went on literally for over millennium, okay? Century after for over millennium, okay? Century after for over millennium, okay? Century after century, whenever Muslims could. century, whenever Muslims could. century, whenever Muslims could. Obviously, there were times when it was Obviously, there were times when it was Obviously, there were times when it was an eb and flow and due to the an eb and flow and due to the an eb and flow and due to the vicissitudes of circumstances and vicissitudes of circumstances and vicissitudes of circumstances and Muslims weren't strong enough, they Muslims weren't strong enough, they Muslims weren't strong enough, they wouldn't attack. But any such time that wouldn't attack. But any such time that wouldn't attack. But any such time that they were strong, they conquered. So I they were strong, they conquered. So I they were strong, they conquered. So I just told you I gave you the date 732 just told you I gave you the date 732 just told you I gave you the date 732 one century because that's the battle of one century because that's the battle of one century because that's the battle of tours and that's where Islam is finally tours and that's where Islam is finally tours and that's where Islam is finally stopped in the center of France. Spain stopped in the center of France. Spain stopped in the center of France. Spain has now been conquered. All of North has now been conquered. All of North has now been conquered. All of North Africa has been conquered. The greater Africa has been conquered. The greater Africa has been conquered. The greater Middle East has been conquered and then Middle East has been conquered and then Middle East has been conquered and then later Turkey gets conquered which is one later Turkey gets conquered which is one later Turkey gets conquered which is one of the most ancient Christian regions. of the most ancient Christian regions. of the most ancient Christian regions. That's where St. Paul sent many of his That's where St. Paul sent many of his That's where St. Paul sent many of his letters. It features in the book of letters. It features in the book of letters. It features in the book of Revelation. There was a long constant Revelation. There was a long constant Revelation. There was a long constant war and annexation of Christian war and annexation of Christian war and annexation of Christian territories by Islam historically just territories by Islam historically just territories by Islam historically just as a fact. And why did they do it? So as a fact. And why did they do it? So as a fact. And why did they do it? So even if you find a historian who is even if you find a historian who is even if you find a historian who is willing to talk about this, they'll give willing to talk about this, they'll give willing to talk about this, they'll give them their national names. Okay? They'll them their national names. Okay? They'll them their national names. Okay? They'll talk about the Arab conquest. They'll talk about the Arab conquest. They'll talk about the Arab conquest. They'll talk about the the Moors in Spain. talk about the the Moors in Spain. talk about the the Moors in Spain. They'll talk about the Turks and they'll They'll talk about the Turks and they'll They'll talk about the Turks and they'll talk about the Tatars and the Mongols. talk about the Tatars and the Mongols. talk about the Tatars and the Mongols. They'll call them Sarissens. And when They'll call them Sarissens. And when They'll call them Sarissens. And when you hear it that way, as I did in you hear it that way, as I did in you hear it that way, as I did in college, college, college, you're prone to just think, okay, these you're prone to just think, okay, these you're prone to just think, okay, these are different waring groups, just like are different waring groups, just like are different waring groups, just like in Europe. The French and the English in Europe. The French and the English in Europe. The French and the English are waring. It's not there's no are waring. It's not there's no are waring. It's not there's no ideological component necessarily, but ideological component necessarily, but ideological component necessarily, but if you dig into the sources as I have if you dig into the sources as I have if you dig into the sources as I have the primary sources including from the the primary sources including from the the primary sources including from the Muslim sources, they see themselves not Muslim sources, they see themselves not Muslim sources, they see themselves not necessarily as Turks or Arabs, but as necessarily as Turks or Arabs, but as necessarily as Turks or Arabs, but as Muslims first and foremost and their Muslims first and foremost and their Muslims first and foremost and their rationale for war on whoever, let's say rationale for war on whoever, let's say rationale for war on whoever, let's say Christians is you're an infidel and uh Christians is you're an infidel and uh Christians is you're an infidel and uh you know that's the rule of Islam and we you know that's the rule of Islam and we you know that's the rule of Islam and we have to attack you and give you the have to attack you and give you the have to attack you and give you the three choices, convert, die or pay three choices, convert, die or pay three choices, convert, die or pay tribute and be a secondass citizen etc tribute and be a secondass citizen etc tribute and be a secondass citizen etc etc. So my point is it was a long etc. So my point is it was a long etc. So my point is it was a long constant massive war that went on that constant massive war that went on that constant massive war that went on that swallowed up most of the Christian West. swallowed up most of the Christian West. swallowed up most of the Christian West. Okay, you know we call it the west Okay, you know we call it the west Okay, you know we call it the west because it west of what? Well, west it because it west of what? Well, west it because it west of what? Well, west it it was when we think of the west now it it was when we think of the west now it it was when we think of the west now it has its own kind of connotation but has its own kind of connotation but has its own kind of connotation but historically in the medieval era it was historically in the medieval era it was historically in the medieval era it was it was west because it was the it was west because it was the it was west because it was the westernmost portion of Christianity that westernmost portion of Christianity that westernmost portion of Christianity that didn't get conquered. M okay it was the didn't get conquered. M okay it was the didn't get conquered. M okay it was the final appendage Europe and there was a final appendage Europe and there was a final appendage Europe and there was a constant warfare constant struggle that constant warfare constant struggle that constant warfare constant struggle that went on you know Islamic pirates would went on you know Islamic pirates would went on you know Islamic pirates would go as far as Iceland in the 16th century go as far as Iceland in the 16th century go as far as Iceland in the 16th century for raids and they would come back with for raids and they would come back with for raids and they would come back with loads of slaves America's first war most loads of slaves America's first war most loads of slaves America's first war most people are unaware as a nation following people are unaware as a nation following people are unaware as a nation following independence from Britain was with independence from Britain was with independence from Britain was with Muslims who were again again using the Muslims who were again again using the Muslims who were again again using the same logic and it's interesting because same logic and it's interesting because same logic and it's interesting because it comes out in the writings of Thomas it comes out in the writings of Thomas it comes out in the writings of Thomas Jefferson um you know this paragon of Jefferson um you know this paragon of Jefferson um you know this paragon of enlightenment who had of course enlightenment who had of course enlightenment who had of course obviously obviously obviously forgotten about those Muslims and didn't forgotten about those Muslims and didn't forgotten about those Muslims and didn't really understand what was going on. But really understand what was going on. But really understand what was going on. But they were enslaving American sailors in they were enslaving American sailors in they were enslaving American sailors in their vessels. They would raid the their vessels. They would raid the their vessels. They would raid the pirates, Muslim pirates from Barbary. pirates, Muslim pirates from Barbary. pirates, Muslim pirates from Barbary. And Adams, John Adams and Jefferson met And Adams, John Adams and Jefferson met And Adams, John Adams and Jefferson met with one of the um ambassadors from with one of the um ambassadors from with one of the um ambassadors from Barbrey and basically and we have the Barbrey and basically and we have the Barbrey and basically and we have the existing letter where where Jefferson existing letter where where Jefferson existing letter where where Jefferson wrote a letter to Congress saying what wrote a letter to Congress saying what wrote a letter to Congress saying what happened in the meeting and he says we happened in the meeting and he says we happened in the meeting and he says we told him look can't we just be friends? told him look can't we just be friends? told him look can't we just be friends? We have nothing against you. you can do We have nothing against you. you can do We have nothing against you. you can do your religion and let's let's engage in your religion and let's let's engage in your religion and let's let's engage in trade let's help each other and then trade let's help each other and then trade let's help each other and then Jefferson writes and the man answered us Jefferson writes and the man answered us Jefferson writes and the man answered us and said it's in our Quran you're the and said it's in our Quran you're the and said it's in our Quran you're the enemy you're the infidel we must wage enemy you're the infidel we must wage enemy you're the infidel we must wage war on you etc etc okay so I tell you war on you etc etc okay so I tell you war on you etc etc okay so I tell you all that by way to answer your question all that by way to answer your question all that by way to answer your question about the warning okay so this has been about the warning okay so this has been about the warning okay so this has been going on for uh over a millennium going on for uh over a millennium going on for uh over a millennium >> this being we are ideologically driven >> this being we are ideologically driven >> this being we are ideologically driven we are going to wage warfare to conquer we are going to wage warfare to conquer we are going to wage warfare to conquer the infra the infra the infra >> and we've have conquered most of what we >> and we've have conquered most of what we >> and we've have conquered most of what we call the Muslim world which North call the Muslim world which North call the Muslim world which North Africa, the Middle East, but all into Africa, the Middle East, but all into Africa, the Middle East, but all into Asia. Okay. And in sub-Saharan Africa, Asia. Okay. And in sub-Saharan Africa, Asia. Okay. And in sub-Saharan Africa, the vast majority of that land was taken the vast majority of that land was taken the vast majority of that land was taken by conquest. So I mentioned what was by conquest. So I mentioned what was by conquest. So I mentioned what was taken from Christians. Iran was the taken from Christians. Iran was the taken from Christians. Iran was the Zerastrian great civilization that was Zerastrian great civilization that was Zerastrian great civilization that was conquered. Um the Pakistan, okay, which conquered. Um the Pakistan, okay, which conquered. Um the Pakistan, okay, which is land of the pure. Well, those are is land of the pure. Well, those are is land of the pure. Well, those are just Hindus who finally were conquered just Hindus who finally were conquered just Hindus who finally were conquered and converted to Islam. Okay, even in and converted to Islam. Okay, even in and converted to Islam. Okay, even in Indonesia, there's this sort of story Indonesia, there's this sort of story Indonesia, there's this sort of story about no, no, it didn't spread through about no, no, it didn't spread through about no, no, it didn't spread through violence. there was actually a lot of violence. there was actually a lot of violence. there was actually a lot of coercion once Muslims grew in numbers. coercion once Muslims grew in numbers. coercion once Muslims grew in numbers. Um, so, so that's the warning. So now Um, so, so that's the warning. So now Um, so, so that's the warning. So now you fast forward to today and your you fast forward to today and your you fast forward to today and your average Westerner European has no idea average Westerner European has no idea average Westerner European has no idea about this or what they know is about this or what they know is about this or what they know is colonialism and you know evil Europeans colonialism and you know evil Europeans colonialism and you know evil Europeans and now we're going to make it up for and now we're going to make it up for and now we're going to make it up for them. I mean that's the logic in the UK them. I mean that's the logic in the UK them. I mean that's the logic in the UK for example. That's why it's flooded for example. That's why it's flooded for example. That's why it's flooded with Pakistanis because uh we're making with Pakistanis because uh we're making with Pakistanis because uh we're making up for our sins in colonizing their up for our sins in colonizing their up for our sins in colonizing their lands and we're bringing them here. That lands and we're bringing them here. That lands and we're bringing them here. That kind of logic. And to you that's kind of logic. And to you that's kind of logic. And to you that's patently ridiculous. patently ridiculous. patently ridiculous. >> It's patently ridiculous because okay uh >> It's patently ridiculous because okay uh >> It's patently ridiculous because okay uh you have to understand what you who and you have to understand what you who and you have to understand what you who and what you're bringing in and the lot. what you're bringing in and the lot. what you're bringing in and the lot. Okay. So now you've brought in let's say Okay. So now you've brought in let's say Okay. So now you've brought in let's say the UK and the really big ones UK, the UK and the really big ones UK, the UK and the really big ones UK, Germany and France but also Sweden um Germany and France but also Sweden um Germany and France but also Sweden um you know and the numbers of Muslims are you know and the numbers of Muslims are you know and the numbers of Muslims are growing in Italy. Spain just gave a growing in Italy. Spain just gave a growing in Italy. Spain just gave a blanket acceptance of like a million blanket acceptance of like a million blanket acceptance of like a million migrants which is kind of insane. migrants which is kind of insane. migrants which is kind of insane. Spain went through 800 years of war to Spain went through 800 years of war to Spain went through 800 years of war to evict Muslims. Okay, the reconista evict Muslims. Okay, the reconista evict Muslims. Okay, the reconista literally because they couldn't get literally because they couldn't get literally because they couldn't get along and now they're bringing in. So it along and now they're bringing in. So it along and now they're bringing in. So it just shows you the massive disconnect just shows you the massive disconnect just shows you the massive disconnect between the western world with with its between the western world with with its between the western world with with its history and the Muslim world like I said history and the Muslim world like I said history and the Muslim world like I said is continuity. So okay when Muslims come is continuity. So okay when Muslims come is continuity. So okay when Muslims come to Europe so just to explain to you some to Europe so just to explain to you some to Europe so just to explain to you some ideas according to this Islamic rule ideas according to this Islamic rule ideas according to this Islamic rule Islamic law Sharia Muslims are forbidden Islamic law Sharia Muslims are forbidden Islamic law Sharia Muslims are forbidden from voluntarily migrating to live under from voluntarily migrating to live under from voluntarily migrating to live under non-Muslim rule infidel rule you have to non-Muslim rule infidel rule you have to non-Muslim rule infidel rule you have to live in the lands of Sharia where Islam live in the lands of Sharia where Islam live in the lands of Sharia where Islam is Islam is dominates okay why would you is Islam is dominates okay why would you is Islam is dominates okay why would you go live with the enemy because the go live with the enemy because the go live with the enemy because the non-Muslim that's stated that oh yeah non-Muslim that's stated that oh yeah non-Muslim that's stated that oh yeah that's stated okay but now there's that's stated okay but now there's that's stated okay but now there's caveats okay which I'll get to So that I caveats okay which I'll get to So that I caveats okay which I'll get to So that I mean but that is the normal state of mean but that is the normal state of mean but that is the normal state of affairs. They're the enemy. We're the affairs. They're the enemy. We're the affairs. They're the enemy. We're the Muslims. The Quran is full of this whole Muslims. The Quran is full of this whole Muslims. The Quran is full of this whole doctrine which um it's in Arabic it's doctrine which um it's in Arabic it's doctrine which um it's in Arabic it's called which means Muslims must only called which means Muslims must only called which means Muslims must only help befriend like side with and be help befriend like side with and be help befriend like side with and be loyal to Muslims of the um um basically loyal to Muslims of the um um basically loyal to Muslims of the um um basically means the super national uh Islamic means the super national uh Islamic means the super national uh Islamic community that transcends race you know community that transcends race you know community that transcends race you know language ethnicity and geography. and language ethnicity and geography. and language ethnicity and geography. and they must have hatred for the non-Muslim they must have hatred for the non-Muslim they must have hatred for the non-Muslim and when and whenever they can they must and when and whenever they can they must and when and whenever they can they must wage war and try to subjugate them. wage war and try to subjugate them. wage war and try to subjugate them. Okay, that is a a legit doctrine Okay, that is a a legit doctrine Okay, that is a a legit doctrine straight out of the Quran. I've written straight out of the Quran. I've written straight out of the Quran. I've written a lot about it. I can give you some a lot about it. I can give you some a lot about it. I can give you some verses if you want. But so that's the verses if you want. But so that's the verses if you want. But so that's the driving doctrine that propelled the driving doctrine that propelled the driving doctrine that propelled the historic jihad. It still exists. Muslims historic jihad. It still exists. Muslims historic jihad. It still exists. Muslims still think this way. So then you bring still think this way. So then you bring still think this way. So then you bring masses of them into Europe. I mentioned masses of them into Europe. I mentioned masses of them into Europe. I mentioned main countries uh England and UK and main countries uh England and UK and main countries uh England and UK and whatnot. And if you look there, yeah, whatnot. And if you look there, yeah, whatnot. And if you look there, yeah, there's a lot of problems, okay? I mean, there's a lot of problems, okay? I mean, there's a lot of problems, okay? I mean, nobody's going to argue that if you want nobody's going to argue that if you want nobody's going to argue that if you want to be honest. Of course, there are to be honest. Of course, there are to be honest. Of course, there are certain people want to put their head in certain people want to put their head in certain people want to put their head in the sand and say, "No, no, everything's the sand and say, "No, no, everything's the sand and say, "No, no, everything's fine." But no, there's massive problems. fine." But no, there's massive problems. fine." But no, there's massive problems. You probably heard of this Restore You probably heard of this Restore You probably heard of this Restore Britain Britain Britain >> New Party that came out. I mean, there's >> New Party that came out. I mean, there's >> New Party that came out. I mean, there's a reason why people a reason why people a reason why people >> and if you hear the words of what he's >> and if you hear the words of what he's >> and if you hear the words of what he's saying, uh, I think his last name is saying, uh, I think his last name is saying, uh, I think his last name is low. Um, you know, it's it's on the one low. Um, you know, it's it's on the one low. Um, you know, it's it's on the one hand, it's refreshing because it's hand, it's refreshing because it's hand, it's refreshing because it's basically what everyone there is basically what everyone there is basically what everyone there is thinking. You know, on the other hand, thinking. You know, on the other hand, thinking. You know, on the other hand, it's like I can't you would never would it's like I can't you would never would it's like I can't you would never would have imagined someone talking that way a have imagined someone talking that way a have imagined someone talking that way a decade ago. But why is he because it's a decade ago. But why is he because it's a decade ago. But why is he because it's a reflection. reflection. reflection. >> Let me plant a flag for people. So, some >> Let me plant a flag for people. So, some >> Let me plant a flag for people. So, some people that are watching this right now, people that are watching this right now, people that are watching this right now, their base assumption is going to be uh their base assumption is going to be uh their base assumption is going to be uh Rupert Low is a wild bigot. Rupert Low is a wild bigot. Rupert Low is a wild bigot. >> Uh you are giving this because you've >> Uh you are giving this because you've >> Uh you are giving this because you've got some axe to grind around bigotry and got some axe to grind around bigotry and got some axe to grind around bigotry and we'll get to growing up as an Egyptian we'll get to growing up as an Egyptian we'll get to growing up as an Egyptian Christian and what that means and all of Christian and what that means and all of Christian and what that means and all of that. that. that. >> Um but I want to so I wanted to get all >> Um but I want to so I wanted to get all >> Um but I want to so I wanted to get all of that out on the table. so that people of that out on the table. so that people of that out on the table. so that people understand what the sort of core thesis understand what the sort of core thesis understand what the sort of core thesis is, what you're worried about, that is, what you're worried about, that is, what you're worried about, that there's all this historical continuity. there's all this historical continuity. there's all this historical continuity. >> Um, Muslims are driven by a core >> Um, Muslims are driven by a core >> Um, Muslims are driven by a core doctrine. That core doctrine says that doctrine. That core doctrine says that doctrine. That core doctrine says that you should be going in and conquering, you should be going in and conquering, you should be going in and conquering, um, um, um, >> based on the religious doctrine. We've >> based on the religious doctrine. We've >> based on the religious doctrine. We've got people now going into these got people now going into these got people now going into these countries, uh, call it immigration countries, uh, call it immigration countries, uh, call it immigration through conquest. You didn't say that, through conquest. You didn't say that, through conquest. You didn't say that, but I know your work. I'm familiar but I know your work. I'm familiar but I know your work. I'm familiar enough that I know that that's a a thing enough that I know that that's a a thing enough that I know that that's a a thing on the table. on the table. on the table. >> Okay. Now, I want to back up and I want >> Okay. Now, I want to back up and I want >> Okay. Now, I want to back up and I want to walk through what the foundational to walk through what the foundational to walk through what the foundational beliefs are that you have that lead you beliefs are that you have that lead you beliefs are that you have that lead you to that to that to that >> because I want the people watching this >> because I want the people watching this >> because I want the people watching this to be able to draw a well-informed to be able to draw a well-informed to be able to draw a well-informed conclusion as to whether this is just conclusion as to whether this is just conclusion as to whether this is just bigotry or whether there really is a bigotry or whether there really is a bigotry or whether there really is a reason to be concerned about this. reason to be concerned about this. reason to be concerned about this. >> Um, so >> Um, so >> Um, so >> how did you grow up? Your parents are uh >> how did you grow up? Your parents are uh >> how did you grow up? Your parents are uh immigrants from Egypt, right? immigrants from Egypt, right? immigrants from Egypt, right? >> Uh, but they're not Muslim. So give me >> Uh, but they're not Muslim. So give me >> Uh, but they're not Muslim. So give me that background, what that was like and that background, what that was like and that background, what that was like and most importantly how it informs your most importantly how it informs your most importantly how it informs your views. views. views. >> Okay. So my um correct I was born here. >> Okay. So my um correct I was born here. >> Okay. So my um correct I was born here. My parents immigrated from Egypt. Um My parents immigrated from Egypt. Um My parents immigrated from Egypt. Um they're what's called Coptic Christians. they're what's called Coptic Christians. they're what's called Coptic Christians. Okay. And the word Coptic is uh Okay. And the word Coptic is uh Okay. And the word Coptic is uh basically a corruption of the Greek word basically a corruption of the Greek word basically a corruption of the Greek word agyptos which is where we get our agyptos which is where we get our agyptos which is where we get our English Egyptian. It's agyptos. And so English Egyptian. It's agyptos. And so English Egyptian. It's agyptos. And so when the Arabs invaded and they met the when the Arabs invaded and they met the when the Arabs invaded and they met the agyptos they just called them gipped. agyptos they just called them gipped. agyptos they just called them gipped. They dropped the first and last They dropped the first and last They dropped the first and last syllables and gipped. eventually found syllables and gipped. eventually found syllables and gipped. eventually found its way to us as cop. Okay. So, but now its way to us as cop. Okay. So, but now its way to us as cop. Okay. So, but now it means you know the indigenous it means you know the indigenous it means you know the indigenous inhabitants of Egypt pre-Islam who still inhabitants of Egypt pre-Islam who still inhabitants of Egypt pre-Islam who still exist in minorities and are Christians exist in minorities and are Christians exist in minorities and are Christians because like I was telling you those because like I was telling you those because like I was telling you those countries were still Christian when the countries were still Christian when the countries were still Christian when the um when the Arabs invaded and Egypt was um when the Arabs invaded and Egypt was um when the Arabs invaded and Egypt was conquered around 6401 AD. Okay. So now conquered around 6401 AD. Okay. So now conquered around 6401 AD. Okay. So now here's the thing, and I know where here's the thing, and I know where here's the thing, and I know where you're going with this cuz people have you're going with this cuz people have you're going with this cuz people have said this to me before, which is, "Oh, said this to me before, which is, "Oh, said this to me before, which is, "Oh, you you it's because you're a Christian you you it's because you're a Christian you you it's because you're a Christian and you feel like Muslims took over your and you feel like Muslims took over your and you feel like Muslims took over your country and you have an axe to grind." country and you have an axe to grind." country and you have an axe to grind." And I've heard that before. Now, here's And I've heard that before. Now, here's And I've heard that before. Now, here's the the the truth that most people don't the the the truth that most people don't the the the truth that most people don't understand. And if you find an Egyptian understand. And if you find an Egyptian understand. And if you find an Egyptian or a cop from Egypt, most of them are or a cop from Egypt, most of them are or a cop from Egypt, most of them are going to tell you, "Yeah," which is going to tell you, "Yeah," which is going to tell you, "Yeah," which is actually a lot of Coptic Christians actually a lot of Coptic Christians actually a lot of Coptic Christians don't even like what I'm saying and don't even like what I'm saying and don't even like what I'm saying and would not agree with me. And they and would not agree with me. And they and would not agree with me. And they and they like their they'll tell you, "Oh, they like their they'll tell you, "Oh, they like their they'll tell you, "Oh, my friends are all Muslims. you're a my friends are all Muslims. you're a my friends are all Muslims. you're a hatemongerer. What are you doing? And I hatemongerer. What are you doing? And I hatemongerer. What are you doing? And I would actually argue my parents would would actually argue my parents would would actually argue my parents would have been at least neutral. They weren't have been at least neutral. They weren't have been at least neutral. They weren't like we love Muslims, but they wouldn't like we love Muslims, but they wouldn't like we love Muslims, but they wouldn't have said, you know, oh yeah, Muslims have said, you know, oh yeah, Muslims have said, you know, oh yeah, Muslims are all monsters or evil. So I I I can are all monsters or evil. So I I I can are all monsters or evil. So I I I can honestly say that that the only thing honestly say that that the only thing honestly say that that the only thing that my own personal background may have that my own personal background may have that my own personal background may have might have done is it drew interest in might have done is it drew interest in might have done is it drew interest in the question in the first place. My main the question in the first place. My main the question in the first place. My main interest is history. I studied history. interest is history. I studied history. interest is history. I studied history. That's what I majored in in history. And That's what I majored in in history. And That's what I majored in in history. And so it was natural of course for me to so it was natural of course for me to so it was natural of course for me to gravitate to those topics that are part gravitate to those topics that are part gravitate to those topics that are part of who I am. Okay. So yeah, okay, I'm a of who I am. Okay. So yeah, okay, I'm a of who I am. Okay. So yeah, okay, I'm a cop. I'm Christian Muslims. But and so cop. I'm Christian Muslims. But and so cop. I'm Christian Muslims. But and so that's why my first thesis was for that's why my first thesis was for that's why my first thesis was for example about the first military example about the first military example about the first military conflict between Muslims and Christians conflict between Muslims and Christians conflict between Muslims and Christians because I was involved in military because I was involved in military because I was involved in military history at the time. So, I don't think history at the time. So, I don't think history at the time. So, I don't think that uh you know my my if anything my that uh you know my my if anything my that uh you know my my if anything my background if you really dig into it and background if you really dig into it and background if you really dig into it and you know there's this theory that oh you know there's this theory that oh you know there's this theory that oh yeah, every Christian from the Islamic yeah, every Christian from the Islamic yeah, every Christian from the Islamic world hates Muslims and they're being world hates Muslims and they're being world hates Muslims and they're being persecuted and that's not even true. I persecuted and that's not even true. I persecuted and that's not even true. I mean I that's one of the topics I'm mean I that's one of the topics I'm mean I that's one of the topics I'm expert in. I have another book on the expert in. I have another book on the expert in. I have another book on the persecution of Christians and we can persecution of Christians and we can persecution of Christians and we can talk about that but um most Christians talk about that but um most Christians talk about that but um most Christians would actually because it's a cultural would actually because it's a cultural would actually because it's a cultural thing. A lot of Christians from the thing. A lot of Christians from the thing. A lot of Christians from the Middle East are culturally like Muslims. Middle East are culturally like Muslims. Middle East are culturally like Muslims. So if you put a if you put an American So if you put a if you put an American So if you put a if you put an American Christian and a Coptic Christian and an Christian and a Coptic Christian and an Christian and a Coptic Christian and an Egyptian Muslim, the Coptic Christian Egyptian Muslim, the Coptic Christian Egyptian Muslim, the Coptic Christian and the Muslims are going to be best and the Muslims are going to be best and the Muslims are going to be best friends friends friends >> because culturally they see things eye >> because culturally they see things eye >> because culturally they see things eye to eye. So I tell you all this okay so to eye. So I tell you all this okay so to eye. So I tell you all this okay so you understand that no that's not in any you understand that no that's not in any you understand that no that's not in any way Christians are not born and bred way Christians are not born and bred way Christians are not born and bred with this oh those Muslims we can't wait with this oh those Muslims we can't wait with this oh those Muslims we can't wait till we get away from them. Okay. Now, till we get away from them. Okay. Now, till we get away from them. Okay. Now, obviously there's some who did obviously there's some who did obviously there's some who did experience persecution in the modern era experience persecution in the modern era experience persecution in the modern era and it's getting worse now. But like and it's getting worse now. But like and it's getting worse now. But like let's say in my parents' day, it wasn't let's say in my parents' day, it wasn't let's say in my parents' day, it wasn't that bad at all. You know, the Muslims that bad at all. You know, the Muslims that bad at all. You know, the Muslims were were this is let's say my parents were were this is let's say my parents were were this is let's say my parents were born in the ' 40s, you know, so were born in the ' 40s, you know, so were born in the ' 40s, you know, so they're growing up in the 60s. Muslims they're growing up in the 60s. Muslims they're growing up in the 60s. Muslims in Egypt at that time were nowhere near in Egypt at that time were nowhere near in Egypt at that time were nowhere near as radical as today. And even today, a as radical as today. And even today, a as radical as today. And even today, a lot of them are not radical. So, uh, lot of them are not radical. So, uh, lot of them are not radical. 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And now, let's get back to the show. let's get back to the show. let's get back to the show. >> If we know that Muslims and Christians >> If we know that Muslims and Christians >> If we know that Muslims and Christians can live side by side and not end up can live side by side and not end up can live side by side and not end up having animosity towards each other, having animosity towards each other, having animosity towards each other, >> um, >> um, >> um, >> how is that consistent with your view >> how is that consistent with your view >> how is that consistent with your view that there's this pattern that repeats that there's this pattern that repeats that there's this pattern that repeats through history and so it's just sort of through history and so it's just sort of through history and so it's just sort of inevitable and if you're not careful, inevitable and if you're not careful, inevitable and if you're not careful, it's going to happen again? Because that it's going to happen again? Because that it's going to happen again? Because that tells me at least for one period tells me at least for one period tells me at least for one period everybody was fine living together. everybody was fine living together. everybody was fine living together. >> My ultimate point is the religion of >> My ultimate point is the religion of >> My ultimate point is the religion of Islam as it is as it is understood Islam as it is as it is understood Islam as it is as it is understood written down documented black and white written down documented black and white written down documented black and white in the Quran uh codified by the or the in the Quran uh codified by the or the in the Quran uh codified by the or the the clerics. Okay. Is is an intolerant the clerics. Okay. Is is an intolerant the clerics. Okay. Is is an intolerant and violent creed that is uh and violent creed that is uh and violent creed that is uh incompatible the west. That's my incompatible the west. That's my incompatible the west. That's my message. Okay. Now what happens message. Okay. Now what happens message. Okay. Now what happens inevitably and we're having it right now inevitably and we're having it right now inevitably and we're having it right now and I'm glad we are because it's and I'm glad we are because it's and I'm glad we are because it's important is all of a sudden now we important is all of a sudden now we important is all of a sudden now we conflate the religion with the people. conflate the religion with the people. conflate the religion with the people. Okay? And with every religion, Okay? And with every religion, Okay? And with every religion, Christianity, Judaism, whatever you have Christianity, Judaism, whatever you have Christianity, Judaism, whatever you have teachings and then you have people who teachings and then you have people who teachings and then you have people who are to varying degrees associated with are to varying degrees associated with are to varying degrees associated with the teaching. Okay? Uh we can look at the teaching. Okay? Uh we can look at the teaching. Okay? Uh we can look at let's just look at okay look at Judaism, let's just look at okay look at Judaism, let's just look at okay look at Judaism, right? You have the actual uh orthodox right? You have the actual uh orthodox right? You have the actual uh orthodox Jews and then you have I think they're Jews and then you have I think they're Jews and then you have I think they're called the reformed or um called the reformed or um called the reformed or um liberal Jews. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But liberal Jews. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But liberal Jews. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But they're all Jews, right? And um even the they're all Jews, right? And um even the they're all Jews, right? And um even the I think they're called reformed Jews, uh I think they're called reformed Jews, uh I think they're called reformed Jews, uh who are like liberal Jews, uh you know, who are like liberal Jews, uh you know, who are like liberal Jews, uh you know, they'll tell you, "Well, I'm I believe they'll tell you, "Well, I'm I believe they'll tell you, "Well, I'm I believe this, but the Orthodox believe something this, but the Orthodox believe something this, but the Orthodox believe something else." Okay. So, but as it happens, the else." Okay. So, but as it happens, the else." Okay. So, but as it happens, the Orthodox, I'm sure, are much closer to Orthodox, I'm sure, are much closer to Orthodox, I'm sure, are much closer to Judaism. And as it happens, the radical Judaism. And as it happens, the radical Judaism. And as it happens, the radical >> as written, you mean? >> as written, you mean? >> as written, you mean? >> As written, yeah. They're being more >> As written, yeah. They're being more >> As written, yeah. They're being more consist, they're being more uh loyal or consist, they're being more uh loyal or consist, they're being more uh loyal or adherent to the actual text and the adherent to the actual text and the adherent to the actual text and the traditions and the history. Now the same traditions and the history. Now the same traditions and the history. Now the same thing with Islam. So as I describe to thing with Islam. So as I describe to thing with Islam. So as I describe to you Islam, it is what it is. It's you Islam, it is what it is. It's you Islam, it is what it is. It's violent. It's intolerant. It's not out violent. It's intolerant. It's not out violent. It's intolerant. It's not out to live in coexistence. It's out to to live in coexistence. It's out to to live in coexistence. It's out to become supreme. All right. Now, the become supreme. All right. Now, the become supreme. All right. Now, the Muslims within Islam, you know, what are Muslims within Islam, you know, what are Muslims within Islam, you know, what are they almost two billion people? You're they almost two billion people? You're they almost two billion people? You're going to have some who think that's going to have some who think that's going to have some who think that's great and who love it and who want to great and who love it and who want to great and who love it and who want to activate it and who want to be part of activate it and who want to be part of activate it and who want to be part of that. You're going to find some who that. You're going to find some who that. You're going to find some who don't even know about it, who don't don't even know about it, who don't don't even know about it, who don't care, just like the many nominal care, just like the many nominal care, just like the many nominal Christians in the West who say, "I'm a Christians in the West who say, "I'm a Christians in the West who say, "I'm a Christian." But what do they even know Christian." But what do they even know Christian." But what do they even know about Christianity, right? So, you're about Christianity, right? So, you're about Christianity, right? So, you're going to have Muslims like that. You're going to have Muslims like that. You're going to have Muslims like that. You're going to have Muslims who even know going to have Muslims who even know going to have Muslims who even know what's what's that there's bad stuff, what's what's that there's bad stuff, what's what's that there's bad stuff, but they're not going to they're not but they're not going to they're not but they're not going to they're not going to live with it. They're going to going to live with it. They're going to going to live with it. They're going to know there's going to be Muslims who know there's going to be Muslims who know there's going to be Muslims who know the bad stuff and they agree to it, know the bad stuff and they agree to it, know the bad stuff and they agree to it, but they're not going to commit to it. but they're not going to commit to it. but they're not going to commit to it. Not yet because it's the Not yet because it's the Not yet because it's the the situation is not opportune. the situation is not opportune. the situation is not opportune. >> So, I guess my point is I I have I've >> So, I guess my point is I I have I've >> So, I guess my point is I I have I've going back to my background and all going back to my background and all going back to my background and all that. I've ob I've objectively studied that. I've ob I've objectively studied that. I've ob I've objectively studied Islam and I know I know the tra the Islam and I know I know the tra the Islam and I know I know the tra the languages the original languages. It's languages the original languages. It's languages the original languages. It's been my academic background. I've been my academic background. I've been my academic background. I've written books and what I'm telling you written books and what I'm telling you written books and what I'm telling you is not coming from I'm a bitter uh cop is not coming from I'm a bitter uh cop is not coming from I'm a bitter uh cop with an axe to grind. It's coming if with an axe to grind. It's coming if with an axe to grind. It's coming if anything that should have tempered me. anything that should have tempered me. anything that should have tempered me. Most of the cops I know actually don't Most of the cops I know actually don't Most of the cops I know actually don't like what I'm do. You know, you're being like what I'm do. You know, you're being like what I'm do. You know, you're being a troublemaker. People live in peace. a troublemaker. People live in peace. a troublemaker. People live in peace. Okay. So, to go back to that, well, are Okay. So, to go back to that, well, are Okay. So, to go back to that, well, are they living in peace or not? Well, it they living in peace or not? Well, it they living in peace or not? Well, it who's doing what? Some Christians in who's doing what? Some Christians in who's doing what? Some Christians in Egypt and in Middle Eastern countries Egypt and in Middle Eastern countries Egypt and in Middle Eastern countries get a persecuted. Some get killed. get a persecuted. Some get killed. get a persecuted. Some get killed. >> Some have Muslim neighbors who they get >> Some have Muslim neighbors who they get >> Some have Muslim neighbors who they get along with. along with. along with. >> What will help us is to break these down >> What will help us is to break these down >> What will help us is to break these down into uh some chunks. So the first thing into uh some chunks. So the first thing into uh some chunks. So the first thing is what I'm hearing you say like any is what I'm hearing you say like any is what I'm hearing you say like any religion, some people are way into it, religion, some people are way into it, religion, some people are way into it, some aren't. some aren't. some aren't. >> Right. um hiding in there is a belief >> Right. um hiding in there is a belief >> Right. um hiding in there is a belief then that even if you have the vast then that even if you have the vast then that even if you have the vast majority that are call them secularized majority that are call them secularized majority that are call them secularized they're not super by the book they're not super by the book they're not super by the book >> it doesn't take a large number of people >> it doesn't take a large number of people >> it doesn't take a large number of people that are um orthodox I don't think that are um orthodox I don't think that are um orthodox I don't think Muslims use that word but Muslims use that word but Muslims use that word but >> that idea very strict by the book >> that idea very strict by the book >> that idea very strict by the book >> uh to create a problem and the ideology >> uh to create a problem and the ideology >> uh to create a problem and the ideology that's hiding in the more um hardlined that's hiding in the more um hardlined that's hiding in the more um hardlined orthodox we'd say radical but I want to orthodox we'd say radical but I want to orthodox we'd say radical but I want to stay away from that kind of language stay away from that kind of language stay away from that kind of language that they're really tied to the word of that they're really tied to the word of that they're really tied to the word of the Quran, the hadith, the the Quran, the hadith, the the Quran, the hadith, the interpretations. You'll have to walk us interpretations. You'll have to walk us interpretations. You'll have to walk us through that. But through that. But through that. But >> so for now, I'll ask the audience to >> so for now, I'll ask the audience to >> so for now, I'll ask the audience to accept that you have a core belief that accept that you have a core belief that accept that you have a core belief that says it does not require a large number says it does not require a large number says it does not require a large number of people to be a problem for there to of people to be a problem for there to of people to be a problem for there to be a problem. So you you've been very be a problem. So you you've been very be a problem. So you you've been very clear about separating the people from clear about separating the people from clear about separating the people from the religion. So now walk us through the religion. So now walk us through the religion. So now walk us through what are you've said a bunch of them but what are you've said a bunch of them but what are you've said a bunch of them but like sort of in passing going quickly. like sort of in passing going quickly. like sort of in passing going quickly. >> Walk me through what is the doctrine of >> Walk me through what is the doctrine of >> Walk me through what is the doctrine of Islam that becomes problematic for a Islam that becomes problematic for a Islam that becomes problematic for a hardliner who's like but it says right hardliner who's like but it says right hardliner who's like but it says right here to do this thing. here to do this thing. here to do this thing. >> Okay there actually three. The first one >> Okay there actually three. The first one >> Okay there actually three. The first one I touched on is the second one I'll I touched on is the second one I'll I touched on is the second one I'll mention briefly because it's the most mention briefly because it's the most mention briefly because it's the most popular which is jihad. Okay. That is a popular which is jihad. Okay. That is a popular which is jihad. Okay. That is a doctrine. It's uh it's it's okay which doctrine. It's uh it's it's okay which doctrine. It's uh it's it's okay which is there's Quranic verses. It's the life is there's Quranic verses. It's the life is there's Quranic verses. It's the life of Muhammad. It's the example of the of Muhammad. It's the example of the of Muhammad. It's the example of the caliphates. It's the example of the caliphates. It's the example of the caliphates. It's the example of the sultanates whether they're Arabs or or sultanates whether they're Arabs or or sultanates whether they're Arabs or or Turks. Turks. Turks. >> What is it? So people will have heard >> What is it? So people will have heard >> What is it? So people will have heard the word but what is actually Yeah. the word but what is actually Yeah. the word but what is actually Yeah. >> Okay. So it's very interesting actually. >> Okay. So it's very interesting actually. >> Okay. So it's very interesting actually. Jihad is the old orientalists the Jihad is the old orientalists the Jihad is the old orientalists the original translators Europeans they original translators Europeans they original translators Europeans they would translate as holy war. And that's would translate as holy war. And that's would translate as holy war. And that's fair, you know, because when you come fair, you know, because when you come fair, you know, because when you come across a foreign word, you can either across a foreign word, you can either across a foreign word, you can either give it its most literal meaning or you give it its most literal meaning or you give it its most literal meaning or you want to give it the connotation that the want to give it the connotation that the want to give it the connotation that the Arab mind hears. And holy war is exactly Arab mind hears. And holy war is exactly Arab mind hears. And holy war is exactly what it would mean. All right. Now, what it would mean. All right. Now, what it would mean. All right. Now, what's funny and what it is, what it was what's funny and what it is, what it was what's funny and what it is, what it was historically is Muslims are obligated to historically is Muslims are obligated to historically is Muslims are obligated to engage in holy war, which is not just engage in holy war, which is not just engage in holy war, which is not just war. It's divine. Allah is behind you. war. It's divine. Allah is behind you. war. It's divine. Allah is behind you. If you die, you you reach the highest If you die, you you reach the highest If you die, you you reach the highest levels of paradise. So, that's why it's levels of paradise. So, that's why it's levels of paradise. So, that's why it's holy. And um who's the who's the enemy? holy. And um who's the who's the enemy? holy. And um who's the who's the enemy? Everyone who's not a Muslim because we Everyone who's not a Muslim because we Everyone who's not a Muslim because we have to we have to control their lands have to we have to control their lands have to we have to control their lands and we have to rule them. All right. and we have to rule them. All right. and we have to rule them. All right. >> Is it ever expressly said why like why >> Is it ever expressly said why like why >> Is it ever expressly said why like why do we have to control invade conquer? do we have to control invade conquer? do we have to control invade conquer? >> I'll answer it this way. Let's go to the >> I'll answer it this way. Let's go to the >> I'll answer it this way. Let's go to the first really problematic doctrine. Okay. first really problematic doctrine. Okay. first really problematic doctrine. Okay. So jihad is the manifestation of what So jihad is the manifestation of what So jihad is the manifestation of what I'm going to talk about now. first which I'm going to talk about now. first which I'm going to talk about now. first which I would call the first premise doctrine I would call the first premise doctrine I would call the first premise doctrine which I've touched on and it will answer which I've touched on and it will answer which I've touched on and it will answer your question and it's the one in Arabic your question and it's the one in Arabic your question and it's the one in Arabic it's called and it's based on numerous it's called and it's based on numerous it's called and it's based on numerous verses in the Quran and it's basically verses in the Quran and it's basically verses in the Quran and it's basically okay okay okay >> and sorry really fast I think people >> and sorry really fast I think people >> and sorry really fast I think people should know you speak Arabic as a first should know you speak Arabic as a first should know you speak Arabic as a first language language language >> uh yeah I was born here so I don't know >> uh yeah I was born here so I don't know >> uh yeah I was born here so I don't know I'm bilingual house you spoke with my I'm bilingual house you spoke with my I'm bilingual house you spoke with my parents parents parents >> so you are fluent >> so you are fluent >> so you are fluent >> so you're reading um direct sources >> so you're reading um direct sources >> so you're reading um direct sources you've read the Quran in Arabic. you've read the Quran in Arabic. you've read the Quran in Arabic. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Got it. Okay. Just making sure people >> Got it. Okay. Just making sure people >> Got it. Okay. Just making sure people know that. know that. know that. >> Yeah. Okay. So, this doctrine B which is >> Yeah. Okay. So, this doctrine B which is >> Yeah. Okay. So, this doctrine B which is un unwavering. I even you know with chat un unwavering. I even you know with chat un unwavering. I even you know with chat GPG and AI which I think tend to be GPG and AI which I think tend to be GPG and AI which I think tend to be politically correct. I put them on a politically correct. I put them on a politically correct. I put them on a spot and I asked them about this spot and I asked them about this spot and I asked them about this doctrine and they're like yeah this is a doctrine and they're like yeah this is a doctrine and they're like yeah this is a legit doctrine. This is legit doctrine. This is legit doctrine. This is >> what sorry what's the doctrine exactly? >> what sorry what's the doctrine exactly? >> what sorry what's the doctrine exactly? >> So it's called in Arabic and it can be >> So it's called in Arabic and it can be >> So it's called in Arabic and it can be translated it's like a dichotomy. It translated it's like a dichotomy. It translated it's like a dichotomy. It could be I used to translate it as could be I used to translate it as could be I used to translate it as loyalty and enmity. loyalty and enmity. loyalty and enmity. >> And a lot of Muslims I've seen they >> And a lot of Muslims I've seen they >> And a lot of Muslims I've seen they >> loyalty enmity is what? Love or hate? I >> loyalty enmity is what? Love or hate? I >> loyalty enmity is what? Love or hate? I actually don't know. Well, so a lot of actually don't know. Well, so a lot of actually don't know. Well, so a lot of Muslims simplify by translating it as Muslims simplify by translating it as Muslims simplify by translating it as love and hate. Okay, love and hate. Okay, love and hate. Okay, >> I used to go with loyalty and enmity. >> I used to go with loyalty and enmity. >> I used to go with loyalty and enmity. You can translate those words in You can translate those words in You can translate those words in different ways. So wet means to different ways. So wet means to different ways. So wet means to befriend, to be allied to, to love, to befriend, to be allied to, to love, to befriend, to be allied to, to love, to help. But is the opposite. It's to help. But is the opposite. It's to help. But is the opposite. It's to disavow, have nothing to do with, and disavow, have nothing to do with, and disavow, have nothing to do with, and hate. Okay? And you are supposed to have hate. Okay? And you are supposed to have hate. Okay? And you are supposed to have the former, the the alliance, and the former, the the alliance, and the former, the the alliance, and befriend two Muslims only. Okay? They befriend two Muslims only. Okay? They befriend two Muslims only. Okay? They are your brothers. And like I said, it are your brothers. And like I said, it are your brothers. And like I said, it doesn't matter if they're different doesn't matter if they're different doesn't matter if they're different races or cultures, you're all Muslims. races or cultures, you're all Muslims. races or cultures, you're all Muslims. You're supposed to have the second, the You're supposed to have the second, the You're supposed to have the second, the hatred and the disavowel and the hatred and the disavowel and the hatred and the disavowel and the renunciation of everyone who's not a renunciation of everyone who's not a renunciation of everyone who's not a Muslim. Okay? This is an ironclad Muslim. Okay? This is an ironclad Muslim. Okay? This is an ironclad doctrine. And it's not just disavowel. I doctrine. And it's not just disavowel. I doctrine. And it's not just disavowel. I mentioned hatred. Quran 64. This is one mentioned hatred. Quran 64. This is one mentioned hatred. Quran 64. This is one of the most problematic verses that very of the most problematic verses that very of the most problematic verses that very few people know. 60 as in surah 60 or few people know. 60 as in surah 60 or few people know. 60 as in surah 60 or verse 4. It basically says, uh, you have verse 4. It basically says, uh, you have verse 4. It basically says, uh, you have a good example in Ibraim. Okay. Who's a good example in Ibraim. Okay. Who's a good example in Ibraim. Okay. Who's the who's the uh Abraham? Okay, the the who's the uh Abraham? Okay, the the who's the uh Abraham? Okay, the Genesis Abraham figure because of course Genesis Abraham figure because of course Genesis Abraham figure because of course Islam appropriates all the biblical Islam appropriates all the biblical Islam appropriates all the biblical figures and gives them different names figures and gives them different names figures and gives them different names or and different roles. So in Genesis, or and different roles. So in Genesis, or and different roles. So in Genesis, Abraham u God calls him from the land of Abraham u God calls him from the land of Abraham u God calls him from the land of and he leaves and that's basically what and he leaves and that's basically what and he leaves and that's basically what we know in the Islamic rendering before we know in the Islamic rendering before we know in the Islamic rendering before he leaves he tell his he tells his he leaves he tell his he tells his he leaves he tell his he tells his kinsmen uh hatred and enmity will exist kinsmen uh hatred and enmity will exist kinsmen uh hatred and enmity will exist between you and me you and us Muslims between you and me you and us Muslims between you and me you and us Muslims because he's a Muslim until you believe because he's a Muslim until you believe because he's a Muslim until you believe in Allah alone and then that verse says in Allah alone and then that verse says in Allah alone and then that verse says and he is a good example for you Muslims and he is a good example for you Muslims and he is a good example for you Muslims this is how you should feel towards this is how you should feel towards this is how you should feel towards non-Muslims and then there's all sorts non-Muslims and then there's all sorts non-Muslims and then there's all sorts of examples of some of the pious Muslims of examples of some of the pious Muslims of examples of some of the pious Muslims that were befriended with Muhammad, that were befriended with Muhammad, that were befriended with Muhammad, including the first khalif and the including the first khalif and the including the first khalif and the second khalif, they fought and killed second khalif, they fought and killed second khalif, they fought and killed their relatives. And that's good. Allah their relatives. And that's good. Allah their relatives. And that's good. Allah likes that because it shows their likes that because it shows their likes that because it shows their loyalty is to the ummah and the Muslims, loyalty is to the ummah and the Muslims, loyalty is to the ummah and the Muslims, not their and there's a verse that says, not their and there's a verse that says, not their and there's a verse that says, and you know, even if they're your and you know, even if they're your and you know, even if they're your fathers or your brothers or whoever, you fathers or your brothers or whoever, you fathers or your brothers or whoever, you can't be loyal or befriend them because can't be loyal or befriend them because can't be loyal or befriend them because they're infidels. And I have a video they're infidels. And I have a video they're infidels. And I have a video which I translated like 15 years ago of which I translated like 15 years ago of which I translated like 15 years ago of an Egyptian clerk talking in Arabic and an Egyptian clerk talking in Arabic and an Egyptian clerk talking in Arabic and he's talking about this very doctrine he's talking about this very doctrine he's talking about this very doctrine and he mentions how uh you know Muslims and he mentions how uh you know Muslims and he mentions how uh you know Muslims can Muslim men can marry people of the can Muslim men can marry people of the can Muslim men can marry people of the book which means Christians and Jewish book which means Christians and Jewish book which means Christians and Jewish women but he says but you have to hate women but he says but you have to hate women but he says but you have to hate them and you have to let them know you them and you have to let them know you them and you have to let them know you hate them and you can have sex with them hate them and you can have sex with them hate them and you can have sex with them and enjoy them but you know as long as and enjoy them but you know as long as and enjoy them but you know as long as the hatred is in your heart. Okay. So the hatred is in your heart. Okay. So the hatred is in your heart. Okay. So this is a teaching now. this is a teaching now. this is a teaching now. >> But is that just some wacko or >> But is that just some wacko or >> But is that just some wacko or >> it's in the Quran? I mean, you can say >> it's in the Quran? I mean, you can say >> it's in the Quran? I mean, you can say he's a wacko. It was clear, you know, he's a wacko. It was clear, you know, he's a wacko. It was clear, you know, some of the even Muslims were very like, some of the even Muslims were very like, some of the even Muslims were very like, "Are you sure?" And he's like, "Well, "Are you sure?" And he's like, "Well, "Are you sure?" And he's like, "Well, what do you want to do?" There it is. what do you want to do?" There it is. what do you want to do?" There it is. And he mentioned the verse that I told And he mentioned the verse that I told And he mentioned the verse that I told you and others. you and others. you and others. >> Um, so that's, you know, that's the >> Um, so that's, you know, that's the >> Um, so that's, you know, that's the problem. Now, I'm telling you all this problem. Now, I'm telling you all this problem. Now, I'm telling you all this because I told you there's three because I told you there's three because I told you there's three doctrines. So, the first one, this is doctrines. So, the first one, this is doctrines. So, the first one, this is the first one. It's the first one. It's the first one. It's >> Muslims hate non-Muslims. >> Muslims hate non-Muslims. >> Muslims hate non-Muslims. >> Yeah. And they're loyal to fellow >> Yeah. And they're loyal to fellow >> Yeah. And they're loyal to fellow Muslims. And so what Muhammad did, I Muslims. And so what Muhammad did, I Muslims. And so what Muhammad did, I always say this is his genius if you always say this is his genius if you always say this is his genius if you will, is that he took the the tribal will, is that he took the the tribal will, is that he took the the tribal mores of his society, 7th century mores of his society, 7th century mores of his society, 7th century Arabia, which is ultra tribalistic, but Arabia, which is ultra tribalistic, but Arabia, which is ultra tribalistic, but he re rearticulated them through a he re rearticulated them through a he re rearticulated them through a theological paradigm. So now it's not theological paradigm. So now it's not theological paradigm. So now it's not just it's not normal tribalism, me and just it's not normal tribalism, me and just it's not normal tribalism, me and my family against yours. It's the it's my family against yours. It's the it's my family against yours. It's the it's the it's the Muslims versus the rest of the it's the Muslims versus the rest of the it's the Muslims versus the rest of the world. The rest of the world is the the world. The rest of the world is the the world. The rest of the world is the other, the non-tribe. And just like it other, the non-tribe. And just like it other, the non-tribe. And just like it was in Arabia in the 7th century, the was in Arabia in the 7th century, the was in Arabia in the 7th century, the non-tribe member is someone who you can non-tribe member is someone who you can non-tribe member is someone who you can kill and enslave and do whatever you kill and enslave and do whatever you kill and enslave and do whatever you want to. Okay? So that became the want to. Okay? So that became the want to. Okay? So that became the doctrine. And I was telling you earlier doctrine. And I was telling you earlier doctrine. And I was telling you earlier that you Muslims are not permitted to uh that you Muslims are not permitted to uh that you Muslims are not permitted to uh migrate voluntarily and live under migrate voluntarily and live under migrate voluntarily and live under Islamic non-Islamic authority. Okay? Islamic non-Islamic authority. Okay? Islamic non-Islamic authority. Okay? Because you're not supposed to be loyal Because you're not supposed to be loyal Because you're not supposed to be loyal to them. How can you give allegiance? to them. How can you give allegiance? to them. How can you give allegiance? The caveat is uh and this goes back. So The caveat is uh and this goes back. So The caveat is uh and this goes back. So we've we've dealt with the first one, we've we've dealt with the first one, we've we've dealt with the first one, the loyalty and emity and now we're the loyalty and emity and now we're the loyalty and emity and now we're talking about jihad again. And the talking about jihad again. And the talking about jihad again. And the caveat is okay, you can go to these caveat is okay, you can go to these caveat is okay, you can go to these European countries and as long as you European countries and as long as you European countries and as long as you are in one way or the other involved in are in one way or the other involved in are in one way or the other involved in jihad on behalf of Islam. Now the jihad on behalf of Islam. Now the jihad on behalf of Islam. Now the historic manifestation which I mentioned historic manifestation which I mentioned historic manifestation which I mentioned is of jihad is violent warfare. Okay, is of jihad is violent warfare. Okay, is of jihad is violent warfare. Okay, this is why they called it they this is why they called it they this is why they called it they translated it as holy war. But the this translated it as holy war. But the this translated it as holy war. But the this is what I find funny. A lot of the is what I find funny. A lot of the is what I find funny. A lot of the apologists today will tell you, "No, no, apologists today will tell you, "No, no, apologists today will tell you, "No, no, holy war is wrong because the word jihad holy war is wrong because the word jihad holy war is wrong because the word jihad really means to struggle and to strive, really means to struggle and to strive, really means to struggle and to strive, which is true, but that actually makes which is true, but that actually makes which is true, but that actually makes it even more problematic or or makes it it even more problematic or or makes it it even more problematic or or makes it even more dangerous and it underscores even more dangerous and it underscores even more dangerous and it underscores what's going on." That is the literal what's going on." That is the literal what's going on." That is the literal meaning of the word. You are supposed to meaning of the word. You are supposed to meaning of the word. You are supposed to struggle or and strive on behalf of struggle or and strive on behalf of struggle or and strive on behalf of Islam. Historically, that meant war Islam. Historically, that meant war Islam. Historically, that meant war because nobody was going to just give because nobody was going to just give because nobody was going to just give into you unless you force them. So now into you unless you force them. So now into you unless you force them. So now they they Muslim clerks have articulated they they Muslim clerks have articulated they they Muslim clerks have articulated a number of jihads struggles that are a number of jihads struggles that are a number of jihads struggles that are not militant or physical. They call them not militant or physical. They call them not militant or physical. They call them and they give them different names. I'm and they give them different names. I'm and they give them different names. I'm I'm going to I'm just translating them I'm going to I'm just translating them I'm going to I'm just translating them in my head. There's the jihad of the in my head. There's the jihad of the in my head. There's the jihad of the tongue, the jihad of the pen, the jihad tongue, the jihad of the pen, the jihad tongue, the jihad of the pen, the jihad of money, the baby jihad. And all of of money, the baby jihad. And all of of money, the baby jihad. And all of these Muslims who if you migrate to the these Muslims who if you migrate to the these Muslims who if you migrate to the West are expected to be engaged in this West are expected to be engaged in this West are expected to be engaged in this because that is how you're still a good because that is how you're still a good because that is how you're still a good Muslim. If you're just going to the west Muslim. If you're just going to the west Muslim. If you're just going to the west because you want a good life, well, because you want a good life, well, because you want a good life, well, okay, you're a traitor. You're not a okay, you're a traitor. You're not a okay, you're a traitor. You're not a real Muslim. So, but if you're doing real Muslim. So, but if you're doing real Muslim. So, but if you're doing these jihad the pen and the tongue means these jihad the pen and the tongue means these jihad the pen and the tongue means I'm somehow engaged in propaganda on I'm somehow engaged in propaganda on I'm somehow engaged in propaganda on behalf of Islam. I'm trying to behalf of Islam. I'm trying to behalf of Islam. I'm trying to demoralize Westerners. I'm trying to I'm demoralize Westerners. I'm trying to I'm demoralize Westerners. I'm trying to I'm doing what's called da. I'm preaching doing what's called da. I'm preaching doing what's called da. I'm preaching Islam. Okay? I'm making Islam look good. Islam. Okay? I'm making Islam look good. Islam. Okay? I'm making Islam look good. Jihad of the money, of course, is I'm a Jihad of the money, of course, is I'm a Jihad of the money, of course, is I'm a rich Saudi and I just spend millions to rich Saudi and I just spend millions to rich Saudi and I just spend millions to help further whatever Islamist jihadist help further whatever Islamist jihadist help further whatever Islamist jihadist causes. And the baby jihad, this is the causes. And the baby jihad, this is the causes. And the baby jihad, this is the really dangerous one in many ways in really dangerous one in many ways in really dangerous one in many ways in Europe is uh the Muslims are encouraged Europe is uh the Muslims are encouraged Europe is uh the Muslims are encouraged to be as fertile as possible and to be as fertile as possible and to be as fertile as possible and overwhelm the uh you know Europe. They overwhelm the uh you know Europe. They overwhelm the uh you know Europe. They literally have said that. I mean there's literally have said that. I mean there's literally have said that. I mean there's clerics on videos saying your job is go clerics on videos saying your job is go clerics on videos saying your job is go there and have as many babies as you there and have as many babies as you there and have as many babies as you want and you go to Europe right now and want and you go to Europe right now and want and you go to Europe right now and many of the major capitals the number many of the major capitals the number many of the major capitals the number one newborn baby name is Muhammad. Okay. one newborn baby name is Muhammad. Okay. one newborn baby name is Muhammad. Okay. So that is so now so I'm trying to show So that is so now so I'm trying to show So that is so now so I'm trying to show you the continuity of what had gone on you the continuity of what had gone on you the continuity of what had gone on historically and historically and historically and >> really fast though because there's one >> really fast though because there's one >> really fast though because there's one piece that is missing in all this. So piece that is missing in all this. So piece that is missing in all this. So you use a word I could follow all of you use a word I could follow all of you use a word I could follow all of your logic but you use a word that at your logic but you use a word that at your logic but you use a word that at least with the items you put on the least with the items you put on the least with the items you put on the table does not yet make sense to me table does not yet make sense to me table does not yet make sense to me which is the most dangerous thing is which is the most dangerous thing is which is the most dangerous thing is >> and the most dangerous thing is that >> and the most dangerous thing is that >> and the most dangerous thing is that they're basically out breeding. they're they're basically out breeding. they're they're basically out breeding. they're going to have more going to have more going to have more >> the most fund the phil on a >> the most fund the phil on a >> the most fund the phil on a philosophical level the most dangerous philosophical level the most dangerous philosophical level the most dangerous thing is this is a hostile uh element or thing is this is a hostile uh element or thing is this is a hostile uh element or demographic that is trying to take over demographic that is trying to take over demographic that is trying to take over whichever way whichever way whichever way >> yeah demographically. >> yeah demographically. >> yeah demographically. >> So let me let me push deeper into this >> So let me let me push deeper into this >> So let me let me push deeper into this really fast and you can tell me if I'm really fast and you can tell me if I'm really fast and you can tell me if I'm getting this wrong. getting this wrong. getting this wrong. >> So uh your worldview has internal >> So uh your worldview has internal >> So uh your worldview has internal consistency if I believe the following. consistency if I believe the following. consistency if I believe the following. So, uh, for that to be dangerous, there So, uh, for that to be dangerous, there So, uh, for that to be dangerous, there has to be some part. And has to be some part. And has to be some part. And >> I know the punchline, I think, of what >> I know the punchline, I think, of what >> I know the punchline, I think, of what you're going to say because I've studied you're going to say because I've studied you're going to say because I've studied you so closely. But there's this element you so closely. But there's this element you so closely. But there's this element of, okay, this is high-risisk because of, okay, this is high-risisk because of, okay, this is high-risisk because they act one way when they're weak and they act one way when they're weak and they act one way when they're weak and they act another way when they're they act another way when they're they act another way when they're strong. And so the reason I think you strong. And so the reason I think you strong. And so the reason I think you have to walk us through now I if this have to walk us through now I if this have to walk us through now I if this actually is what you're saying actually is what you're saying actually is what you're saying >> uh through why you believe it is >> uh through why you believe it is >> uh through why you believe it is erroneous to call this a religion of erroneous to call this a religion of erroneous to call this a religion of peace even though in the Quran itself peace even though in the Quran itself peace even though in the Quran itself there are overtures to peace to there are overtures to peace to there are overtures to peace to non-coercive like you can't coersse non-coercive like you can't coersse non-coercive like you can't coersse people to change their religion all of people to change their religion all of people to change their religion all of that stuff and so when I hear you that stuff and so when I hear you that stuff and so when I hear you because I've heard so many other things because I've heard so many other things because I've heard so many other things I think I know where you're headed with I think I know where you're headed with I think I know where you're headed with that but if you can define Like if I that but if you can define Like if I that but if you can define Like if I were to say, "Hey Christians, um go were to say, "Hey Christians, um go were to say, "Hey Christians, um go forth and prosper. Go go go to the far forth and prosper. Go go go to the far forth and prosper. Go go go to the far ends of the earth and bring Jesus to ends of the earth and bring Jesus to ends of the earth and bring Jesus to people. Make people's lives better. And people. Make people's lives better. And people. Make people's lives better. And uh do it by writing. Do it by speaking. uh do it by writing. Do it by speaking. uh do it by writing. Do it by speaking. Do it by having more children. Do it by Do it by having more children. Do it by Do it by having more children. Do it by prostilitizing." It sounds awesome. It prostilitizing." It sounds awesome. It prostilitizing." It sounds awesome. It only starts sounding dark when you start only starts sounding dark when you start only starts sounding dark when you start using words like it's propaganda. This using words like it's propaganda. This using words like it's propaganda. This is a dangerous thing. It's like, well, I is a dangerous thing. It's like, well, I is a dangerous thing. It's like, well, I would expect the religions of the world would expect the religions of the world would expect the religions of the world to compete and to compete in non-violent to compete and to compete in non-violent to compete and to compete in non-violent ways. Like, I'm not going to have beef ways. Like, I'm not going to have beef ways. Like, I'm not going to have beef with that. Like, yeah, that's exactly with that. Like, yeah, that's exactly with that. Like, yeah, that's exactly what you should do. So, the word what you should do. So, the word what you should do. So, the word dangerous makes sense if you're just dangerous makes sense if you're just dangerous makes sense if you're just like, I don't want my religion to be the like, I don't want my religion to be the like, I don't want my religion to be the one that loses. one that loses. one that loses. >> Even though I don't really have an >> Even though I don't really have an >> Even though I don't really have an explanation as to why mine is better, explanation as to why mine is better, explanation as to why mine is better, but that would make sense. Or if you but that would make sense. Or if you but that would make sense. Or if you believe for some reason that they would believe for some reason that they would believe for some reason that they would do all these nonviolent jihads only to do all these nonviolent jihads only to do all these nonviolent jihads only to lead to something violent. So, walk me lead to something violent. So, walk me lead to something violent. So, walk me through. through. through. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They Okay. They can do >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They Okay. They can do >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They Okay. They can do all the nonviolent stuff and a lot of all the nonviolent stuff and a lot of all the nonviolent stuff and a lot of them think it's great. Well, like you them think it's great. Well, like you them think it's great. Well, like you say, Muslims don't see themselves as the say, Muslims don't see themselves as the say, Muslims don't see themselves as the bad guys. Okay. So, when they bad guys. Okay. So, when they bad guys. Okay. So, when they >> But you said your parents wouldn't see >> But you said your parents wouldn't see >> But you said your parents wouldn't see them as bad guys either. them as bad guys either. them as bad guys either. >> Yeah. Not necessarily. My parents, I >> Yeah. Not necessarily. My parents, I >> Yeah. Not necessarily. My parents, I think, would have had the same idea with think, would have had the same idea with think, would have had the same idea with me, which is the religion's messed up me, which is the religion's messed up me, which is the religion's messed up and the core teachings, but we know a and the core teachings, but we know a and the core teachings, but we know a lot of nice Muslims who don't do it. lot of nice Muslims who don't do it. lot of nice Muslims who don't do it. >> Okay. That's the understanding in >> Okay. That's the understanding in >> Okay. That's the understanding in general. general. general. >> That's going to be the big thing though >> That's going to be the big thing though >> That's going to be the big thing though looming in this whole argument is why looming in this whole argument is why looming in this whole argument is why why aren't we just talking about reform? why aren't we just talking about reform? why aren't we just talking about reform? Why aren't we talking about Muslims Why aren't we talking about Muslims Why aren't we talking about Muslims having having having >> We're not talking about reform because >> We're not talking about reform because >> We're not talking about reform because we're not Muslims. Okay. Muslims need to we're not Muslims. Okay. Muslims need to we're not Muslims. Okay. Muslims need to talk about reform. It's fair. talk about reform. It's fair. talk about reform. It's fair. >> It's ridiculous for you and me to talk >> It's ridiculous for you and me to talk >> It's ridiculous for you and me to talk about reform if they want to reform it. about reform if they want to reform it. about reform if they want to reform it. That's one thing. And a lot of that's That's one thing. And a lot of that's That's one thing. And a lot of that's been going on. But we're talking a lot been going on. But we're talking a lot been going on. But we're talking a lot of good stuff. But you did say something of good stuff. But you did say something of good stuff. But you did say something I want to unpack a little bit which is I want to unpack a little bit which is I want to unpack a little bit which is you know what like some of the verses in you know what like some of the verses in you know what like some of the verses in the Quran are good and why are you the Quran are good and why are you the Quran are good and why are you looking at the bad ones? So I should looking at the bad ones? So I should looking at the bad ones? So I should tell you there's an entire science of tell you there's an entire science of tell you there's an entire science of how Muslims approach that because for how Muslims approach that because for how Muslims approach that because for Muslims they want to Islam is legalistic Muslims they want to Islam is legalistic Muslims they want to Islam is legalistic religion. Okay, it's not I would argue religion. Okay, it's not I would argue religion. Okay, it's not I would argue Christianity was very legalistic in its Christianity was very legalistic in its Christianity was very legalistic in its own sense. But Islam is legalistic in own sense. But Islam is legalistic in own sense. But Islam is legalistic in that it's not about you know some that it's not about you know some that it's not about you know some spiritual you know relationship I have. spiritual you know relationship I have. spiritual you know relationship I have. I mean again Christianity didn't even I mean again Christianity didn't even I mean again Christianity didn't even have that idea until a few centuries have that idea until a few centuries have that idea until a few centuries ago. And in Islam and so it's a law. ago. And in Islam and so it's a law. ago. And in Islam and so it's a law. We're looking for the law and we're We're looking for the law and we're We're looking for the law and we're deriving it from the words of Allah and deriving it from the words of Allah and deriving it from the words of Allah and the example of the prophet. Now, you're the example of the prophet. Now, you're the example of the prophet. Now, you're right. I can open the Quran and there's right. I can open the Quran and there's right. I can open the Quran and there's good verses and a lot of good verses and a lot of good verses and a lot of >> and good means peace. >> and good means peace. >> and good means peace. >> Yeah. Peaceful, >> Yeah. Peaceful, >> Yeah. Peaceful, nonviolent, cooperative, nonviolent, cooperative, nonviolent, cooperative, um, and you know, stuff that they a lot um, and you know, stuff that they a lot um, and you know, stuff that they a lot of Muslim apologists will tell you, of Muslim apologists will tell you, of Muslim apologists will tell you, well, it look at that. So, what are you well, it look at that. So, what are you well, it look at that. So, what are you talking about? Now, the issue is the talking about? Now, the issue is the talking about? Now, the issue is the Muslim clerks who have a huge role. In Muslim clerks who have a huge role. In Muslim clerks who have a huge role. In fact, they're part of Sharia law. It's fact, they're part of Sharia law. It's fact, they're part of Sharia law. It's called which means consensus which is if called which means consensus which is if called which means consensus which is if there's any ambiguity it's it's what the there's any ambiguity it's it's what the there's any ambiguity it's it's what the Islamic clerks have agreed upon that Islamic clerks have agreed upon that Islamic clerks have agreed upon that becomes part of Sharia law. Okay. And um becomes part of Sharia law. Okay. And um becomes part of Sharia law. Okay. And um so they approached it and they looked so they approached it and they looked so they approached it and they looked and they said yeah there's a different and they said yeah there's a different and they said yeah there's a different things and then they realized um and I things and then they realized um and I things and then they realized um and I you might have touched on this but that you might have touched on this but that you might have touched on this but that the the whole revelation as it's the the whole revelation as it's the the whole revelation as it's understood of the Quran to Muhammad was understood of the Quran to Muhammad was understood of the Quran to Muhammad was done based often times on the done based often times on the done based often times on the circumstances of his life. And so you circumstances of his life. And so you circumstances of his life. And so you find that the earliest revelations they find that the earliest revelations they find that the earliest revelations they they divide them by two. One is in Mecca they divide them by two. One is in Mecca they divide them by two. One is in Mecca that's the older one and later ones in that's the older one and later ones in that's the older one and later ones in Medina. And there I mean they even talk Medina. And there I mean they even talk Medina. And there I mean they even talk about them as the Medin Quran and the about them as the Medin Quran and the about them as the Medin Quran and the Meccan Quran even though they're one Meccan Quran even though they're one Meccan Quran even though they're one Quran. And so the Meccan Quran is where Quran. And so the Meccan Quran is where Quran. And so the Meccan Quran is where you Muhammad was weak. He was you Muhammad was weak. He was you Muhammad was weak. He was outnumbered. He didn't have any outnumbered. He didn't have any outnumbered. He didn't have any followers for a while and then when he followers for a while and then when he followers for a while and then when he did it was like a hundred. And you know did it was like a hundred. And you know did it was like a hundred. And you know he's living amongst what would be seen he's living amongst what would be seen he's living amongst what would be seen as a hostile pagan peoples in the Kurish as a hostile pagan peoples in the Kurish as a hostile pagan peoples in the Kurish of Mecca. Okay, those are the verses of Mecca. Okay, those are the verses of Mecca. Okay, those are the verses where they come off. There's no war. where they come off. There's no war. where they come off. There's no war. He's not calling for jihad or anything He's not calling for jihad or anything He's not calling for jihad or anything like that. He then he does the hijra. He like that. He then he does the hijra. He like that. He then he does the hijra. He move the migration in the year 622 goes move the migration in the year 622 goes move the migration in the year 622 goes to Medina. There he starts becoming a to Medina. There he starts becoming a to Medina. There he starts becoming a political leader. Okay. And before long political leader. Okay. And before long political leader. Okay. And before long he starts doing the jihad and he starts he starts doing the jihad and he starts he starts doing the jihad and he starts going and doing caravan raids and going and doing caravan raids and going and doing caravan raids and attacking and in eight years he's attacking and in eight years he's attacking and in eight years he's conquered almost most of Arabia conquered almost most of Arabia conquered almost most of Arabia including Mecca itself. including Mecca itself. including Mecca itself. >> Was he like a military genius? Uh I mean >> Was he like a military genius? Uh I mean >> Was he like a military genius? Uh I mean these are these are these are >> conquered a lot. >> conquered a lot. >> conquered a lot. >> Yeah. But in the context of Arabia these >> Yeah. But in the context of Arabia these >> Yeah. But in the context of Arabia these would be seen as sort of smallcale. I would be seen as sort of smallcale. I would be seen as sort of smallcale. I mean there's they're almost described as mean there's they're almost described as mean there's they're almost described as you know better raids you know better raids you know better raids >> but he gets a good reputation I assume. >> but he gets a good reputation I assume. >> but he gets a good reputation I assume. >> No no he does. And uh you can say I mean >> No no he does. And uh you can say I mean >> No no he does. And uh you can say I mean yeah I mean some people would say of yeah I mean some people would say of yeah I mean some people would say of course he had a military he was a milit course he had a military he was a milit course he had a military he was a milit a mil a tactician to some degree right? a mil a tactician to some degree right? a mil a tactician to some degree right? So he wins and now but in as much as he So he wins and now but in as much as he So he wins and now but in as much as he gets stronger during this phase the gets stronger during this phase the gets stronger during this phase the medina and he keeps conquering the medina and he keeps conquering the medina and he keeps conquering the revelations now take a different tone. revelations now take a different tone. revelations now take a different tone. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Okay. Mhm. Okay. >> So God starts revealing different stuff, >> So God starts revealing different stuff, >> So God starts revealing different stuff, >> right? Now that you're able to Okay. Now >> right? Now that you're able to Okay. Now >> right? Now that you're able to Okay. Now you can go on the offensive. But before you can go on the offensive. But before you can go on the offensive. But before when you were weak, you Yeah. you preach when you were weak, you Yeah. you preach when you were weak, you Yeah. you preach peace. So there's so now the clerics peace. So there's so now the clerics peace. So there's so now the clerics have have concluded there's three have have concluded there's three have have concluded there's three basically phases or or or or there's basically phases or or or or there's basically phases or or or or there's three categories which any Muslim even three categories which any Muslim even three categories which any Muslim even today can find themselves in. One, today can find themselves in. One, today can find themselves in. One, you're completely outnumbered by the you're completely outnumbered by the you're completely outnumbered by the infidel. infidel. infidel. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> In which case, yeah, you know, live and >> In which case, yeah, you know, live and >> In which case, yeah, you know, live and let live and you should quote those let live and you should quote those let live and you should quote those Meccan verses. two, Meccan verses. two, Meccan verses. two, >> sorry, in that phase. How much is tea? >> sorry, in that phase. How much is tea? >> sorry, in that phase. How much is tea? >> Yeah. Well, that's the other thing. Tea >> Yeah. Well, that's the other thing. Tea >> Yeah. Well, that's the other thing. Tea is another whole verse and it's actually is another whole verse and it's actually is another whole verse and it's actually it's tied up with the doctrine of it's tied up with the doctrine of it's tied up with the doctrine of having, you know, not being loyal to having, you know, not being loyal to having, you know, not being loyal to infidels. It's Quran 3:28 and it infidels. It's Quran 3:28 and it infidels. It's Quran 3:28 and it basically says, it's one of those basically says, it's one of those basically says, it's one of those verses, do not befriend, you know, the verses, do not befriend, you know, the verses, do not befriend, you know, the infidel. And that one, that verse though infidel. And that one, that verse though infidel. And that one, that verse though ends up by saying, unless it's by way of ends up by saying, unless it's by way of ends up by saying, unless it's by way of taking precautions. And that word traces taking precautions. And that word traces taking precautions. And that word traces back to the word tea. And again the back to the word tea. And again the back to the word tea. And again the clerics have um you know uh the exigesis clerics have um you know uh the exigesis clerics have um you know uh the exigesis of it is basically that yeah okay if you of it is basically that yeah okay if you of it is basically that yeah okay if you are under m non infidel authority you are under m non infidel authority you are under m non infidel authority you can say whatever or pretend whatever to can say whatever or pretend whatever to can say whatever or pretend whatever to make them not you know persecute you make them not you know persecute you make them not you know persecute you which means you can uh renounce Islam which means you can uh renounce Islam which means you can uh renounce Islam you can convert to Christianity if you can convert to Christianity if you can convert to Christianity if they're persecuting you let's say you they're persecuting you let's say you they're persecuting you let's say you can engage in baptism that's what can engage in baptism that's what can engage in baptism that's what actually happened right before um a lot actually happened right before um a lot actually happened right before um a lot and what drew on the inquisition and what drew on the inquisition and what drew on the inquisition actually in Spain because there was a actually in Spain because there was a actually in Spain because there was a large Muslim population that was engaged large Muslim population that was engaged large Muslim population that was engaged in that that tea. in that that tea. in that that tea. >> So they're pretending. Yeah. >> So they're pretending. Yeah. >> So they're pretending. Yeah. >> We're good Christians. >> We're good Christians. >> We're good Christians. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But psych just kidding at home were >> But psych just kidding at home were >> But psych just kidding at home were teaching hatred of the infidel. teaching hatred of the infidel. teaching hatred of the infidel. >> In one of my books, Sword and Scimitar, >> In one of my books, Sword and Scimitar, >> In one of my books, Sword and Scimitar, I have a long quote from a Spaniard who I have a long quote from a Spaniard who I have a long quote from a Spaniard who said, "These people converted. They went said, "These people converted. They went said, "These people converted. They went to church more than we did. They were to church more than we did. They were to church more than we did. They were model Christians. They were always at model Christians. They were always at model Christians. They were always at mass." And it looked like they were mass." And it looked like they were mass." And it looked like they were reading the Bible. And it would go on reading the Bible. And it would go on reading the Bible. And it would go on generation to generation. You'd think, generation to generation. You'd think, generation to generation. You'd think, "Okay, three, four generations." Yeah. "Okay, three, four generations." Yeah. "Okay, three, four generations." Yeah. Then they find out at home they're Then they find out at home they're Then they find out at home they're reading the Quran, preaching undying reading the Quran, preaching undying reading the Quran, preaching undying hatred for the infidel and working to hatred for the infidel and working to hatred for the infidel and working to subvert Spain back to Islam. subvert Spain back to Islam. subvert Spain back to Islam. >> And do you have a mental model like when >> And do you have a mental model like when >> And do you have a mental model like when you look at the UK or the US, do you you look at the UK or the US, do you you look at the UK or the US, do you have a mental model of like this is a have a mental model of like this is a have a mental model of like this is a very small percentage of people that do very small percentage of people that do very small percentage of people that do this but because you can't tell if this but because you can't tell if this but because you can't tell if they're actually moderate or if they're they're actually moderate or if they're they're actually moderate or if they're just faking being moderate creates a just faking being moderate creates a just faking being moderate creates a real real real >> So you have you have categories. You >> So you have you have categories. You >> So you have you have categories. You have the open avowed jihadist who I have the open avowed jihadist who I have the open avowed jihadist who I actually find refreshing because they're actually find refreshing because they're actually find refreshing because they're honest honest honest >> telling you the truth. >> telling you the truth. >> telling you the truth. >> Yeah. And this would be like the ISIS >> Yeah. And this would be like the ISIS >> Yeah. And this would be like the ISIS type who literally send out tracks and type who literally send out tracks and type who literally send out tracks and letters saying here's why we're fighting letters saying here's why we're fighting letters saying here's why we're fighting you. We're fighting you because you're you. We're fighting you because you're you. We're fighting you because you're an infidel and we have to hate you. an infidel and we have to hate you. an infidel and we have to hate you. Okay? Whereas other Muslims, smarter Okay? Whereas other Muslims, smarter Okay? Whereas other Muslims, smarter ones maybe, will play the grievance ones maybe, will play the grievance ones maybe, will play the grievance mantra. Oh, we're fighting you because mantra. Oh, we're fighting you because mantra. Oh, we're fighting you because you started it because of, you know, you started it because of, you know, you started it because of, you know, whatever colonialism because you're whatever colonialism because you're whatever colonialism because you're attacking the Arab world, whatever. attacking the Arab world, whatever. attacking the Arab world, whatever. Okay. And that's a lot of Islamist Okay. And that's a lot of Islamist Okay. And that's a lot of Islamist groups engage in that. And that's the groups engage in that. And that's the groups engage in that. And that's the jihad of the tongue, for example. Um, jihad of the tongue, for example. Um, jihad of the tongue, for example. Um, but you're right. So then then you have but you're right. So then then you have but you're right. So then then you have this gray zone who maybe seem moderate this gray zone who maybe seem moderate this gray zone who maybe seem moderate and maybe some are but you don't know and maybe some are but you don't know and maybe some are but you don't know which is the one who's pretending which which is the one who's pretending which which is the one who's pretending which is the one who's waiting for the is the one who's waiting for the is the one who's waiting for the circumstances to change. circumstances to change. circumstances to change. >> Okay. I give this analogy and and you >> Okay. I give this analogy and and you >> Okay. I give this analogy and and you know you were even saying I think you know you were even saying I think you know you were even saying I think you mentioned like in Europe and these mentioned like in Europe and these mentioned like in Europe and these growing Muslim numbers but you don't growing Muslim numbers but you don't growing Muslim numbers but you don't know. I mean it's a small number. It's a know. I mean it's a small number. It's a know. I mean it's a small number. It's a big number. big number. big number. >> But here's the thing. If I'm a governor >> But here's the thing. If I'm a governor >> But here's the thing. If I'm a governor or I'm a leader of let's say a European or I'm a leader of let's say a European or I'm a leader of let's say a European nation and my um my duties to my people nation and my um my duties to my people nation and my um my duties to my people first and foremost first and foremost first and foremost I think all of them would agree with I think all of them would agree with I think all of them would agree with this analogy because everyone now agrees this analogy because everyone now agrees this analogy because everyone now agrees even the most conservative measure even the most conservative measure even the most conservative measure people will tell you you know the people will tell you you know the people will tell you you know the apologists for Islam who don't think apologists for Islam who don't think apologists for Islam who don't think it's a big deal they'll tell you okay it's a big deal they'll tell you okay it's a big deal they'll tell you okay yeah there's a bunch of rotten apples yeah there's a bunch of rotten apples yeah there's a bunch of rotten apples but maybe it's like 5%. or maybe it's 1% but maybe it's like 5%. or maybe it's 1% but maybe it's like 5%. or maybe it's 1% or maybe 10. You know, they'll minimize or maybe 10. You know, they'll minimize or maybe 10. You know, they'll minimize it. But to me, that doesn't that that's it. But to me, that doesn't that that's it. But to me, that doesn't that that's we still have a massive problem. It's we still have a massive problem. It's we still have a massive problem. It's like saying, you know what, I'm going to like saying, you know what, I'm going to like saying, you know what, I'm going to give you a jar of candy. There's a give you a jar of candy. There's a give you a jar of candy. There's a hundred here. Five are poison. No hundred here. Five are poison. No hundred here. Five are poison. No biggie. Okay, let's let's eat them. biggie. Okay, let's let's eat them. biggie. Okay, let's let's eat them. Would you give that to your kid? I Would you give that to your kid? I Would you give that to your kid? I wouldn't. wouldn't. wouldn't. >> Okay, because and and again, I >> Okay, because and and again, I >> Okay, because and and again, I understand the 90 95 99 are not like understand the 90 95 99 are not like understand the 90 95 99 are not like that. that. that. >> But why is it incumbent on me to take >> But why is it incumbent on me to take >> But why is it incumbent on me to take this risk when I know it's part of that this risk when I know it's part of that this risk when I know it's part of that and there are people doing this? We know and there are people doing this? We know and there are people doing this? We know that and this is what I mean even even that and this is what I mean even even that and this is what I mean even even the most liberal leftist woke person the most liberal leftist woke person the most liberal leftist woke person will agree and say yeah I think most will agree and say yeah I think most will agree and say yeah I think most Muslims are good but yeah I know there's Muslims are good but yeah I know there's Muslims are good but yeah I know there's a few radicals but right there you've a few radicals but right there you've a few radicals but right there you've just I right there you've admitted to just I right there you've admitted to just I right there you've admitted to something that I personally if I was a something that I personally if I was a something that I personally if I was a leader who cares about my people I leader who cares about my people I leader who cares about my people I wouldn't engage in that why would I take wouldn't engage in that why would I take wouldn't engage in that why would I take >> fast just because I I can preempt what >> fast just because I I can preempt what >> fast just because I I can preempt what people are thinking right now so every people are thinking right now so every people are thinking right now so every group is going to have their crazies um group is going to have their crazies um group is going to have their crazies um I don't know that McVey a who uh did the I don't know that McVey a who uh did the I don't know that McVey a who uh did the Oklahoma City bombing. I don't know that Oklahoma City bombing. I don't know that Oklahoma City bombing. I don't know that he quoted Christianity, but boy, I he quoted Christianity, but boy, I he quoted Christianity, but boy, I wouldn't be surprised. wouldn't be surprised. wouldn't be surprised. >> They say they are they try to claim. >> They say they are they try to claim. >> They say they are they try to claim. Okay, Okay, Okay, >> so now it's like, well, do I start being >> so now it's like, well, do I start being >> so now it's like, well, do I start being super paranoid about all Christians or super paranoid about all Christians or super paranoid about all Christians or is it that? Well, hold on a second. If is it that? Well, hold on a second. If is it that? Well, hold on a second. If you look at the Old Testament, sure, you look at the Old Testament, sure, you look at the Old Testament, sure, there's some wacky [ __ ] and I'm going to there's some wacky [ __ ] and I'm going to there's some wacky [ __ ] and I'm going to be stoning all kinds of people. be stoning all kinds of people. be stoning all kinds of people. >> Uh but if you go, well, this is New >> Uh but if you go, well, this is New >> Uh but if you go, well, this is New Testament Christianity. That's what this Testament Christianity. That's what this Testament Christianity. That's what this is about. This is about following in is about. This is about following in is about. This is about following in Jesus's footsteps. and he clearly if Jesus's footsteps. and he clearly if Jesus's footsteps. and he clearly if you're modeling your behavior after him, you're modeling your behavior after him, you're modeling your behavior after him, you're going to have a lot harder time you're going to have a lot harder time you're going to have a lot harder time finding somebody that goes on the finding somebody that goes on the finding somebody that goes on the offensive. offensive. offensive. >> Um, and however on the Muslim side, if >> Um, and however on the Muslim side, if >> Um, and however on the Muslim side, if you start really hardlining and going you start really hardlining and going you start really hardlining and going with the word of the Quran, now you're with the word of the Quran, now you're with the word of the Quran, now you're running into trouble. Is that where you running into trouble. Is that where you running into trouble. Is that where you make the distinction or do you not? And make the distinction or do you not? And make the distinction or do you not? And you just go, "Hey, these have more you just go, "Hey, these have more you just go, "Hey, these have more crazies than other places or their crazies than other places or their crazies than other places or their crazies are more dangerous and that's crazies are more dangerous and that's crazies are more dangerous and that's why my warning is about Muslims and not why my warning is about Muslims and not why my warning is about Muslims and not about Christians." I also believe that about Christians." I also believe that about Christians." I also believe that ideology will tap into dormant things ideology will tap into dormant things ideology will tap into dormant things with inside the human. And this is why with inside the human. And this is why with inside the human. And this is why there's a book called Ordinary Men about there's a book called Ordinary Men about there's a book called Ordinary Men about how Hitler turned these ordinary cops how Hitler turned these ordinary cops how Hitler turned these ordinary cops into the most most ruthless killing into the most most ruthless killing into the most most ruthless killing machine where they were out shooting machine where they were out shooting machine where they were out shooting naked pregnant women during the naked pregnant women during the naked pregnant women during the Holocaust. And so it's like, yeah, Holocaust. And so it's like, yeah, Holocaust. And so it's like, yeah, that's horrifying. And that's doctrine that's horrifying. And that's doctrine that's horrifying. And that's doctrine that comes and tells you, not only is that comes and tells you, not only is that comes and tells you, not only is this okay, this is good and you should this okay, this is good and you should this okay, this is good and you should do this and this is good for the German do this and this is good for the German do this and this is good for the German people and yay. And so I know that people and yay. And so I know that people and yay. And so I know that humans will fall prey to doctrine that humans will fall prey to doctrine that humans will fall prey to doctrine that makes them feel good about something makes them feel good about something makes them feel good about something that from where I'm sitting is that from where I'm sitting is that from where I'm sitting is absolutely psychotic. absolutely psychotic. absolutely psychotic. >> So the reason I look at Christians and >> So the reason I look at Christians and >> So the reason I look at Christians and I'm like okay look they are going to I'm like okay look they are going to I'm like okay look they are going to have their crazies. Uh but if I can peel have their crazies. Uh but if I can peel have their crazies. Uh but if I can peel you off of the Old Testament I've at you off of the Old Testament I've at you off of the Old Testament I've at least got more to work with over here. least got more to work with over here. least got more to work with over here. It's far more poetic. It's far more turn It's far more poetic. It's far more turn It's far more poetic. It's far more turn the other cheek. All that kind of stuff. the other cheek. All that kind of stuff. the other cheek. All that kind of stuff. >> Uh I don't know the Quran well enough so >> Uh I don't know the Quran well enough so >> Uh I don't know the Quran well enough so I can't tell you. But looking at that I can't tell you. But looking at that I can't tell you. But looking at that side, either you're saying this group side, either you're saying this group side, either you're saying this group for whatever reason has a higher for whatever reason has a higher for whatever reason has a higher percentage of what Tom Billy is calling percentage of what Tom Billy is calling percentage of what Tom Billy is calling crazy people. I don't want to put that crazy people. I don't want to put that crazy people. I don't want to put that word on you, word on you, word on you, >> but either you believe that they have a >> but either you believe that they have a >> but either you believe that they have a higher percentage of problematic people higher percentage of problematic people higher percentage of problematic people or the doctrine somehow is more or the doctrine somehow is more or the doctrine somehow is more problematic and therefore we need to be problematic and therefore we need to be problematic and therefore we need to be worried about them and not the worried about them and not the worried about them and not the Christians. Christians. Christians. >> Yeah, the latter. So I agree with you >> Yeah, the latter. So I agree with you >> Yeah, the latter. So I agree with you that you have psychotic crazy people of that you have psychotic crazy people of that you have psychotic crazy people of all races and and creeds. Okay. But in all races and and creeds. Okay. But in all races and and creeds. Okay. But in Islam, the teachings are prone to Islam, the teachings are prone to Islam, the teachings are prone to exploits that sort of thing. Okay? So, exploits that sort of thing. Okay? So, exploits that sort of thing. Okay? So, I'll give you an example. Um, I remember I'll give you an example. Um, I remember I'll give you an example. Um, I remember I I forget who it was, uh, some Brandon I I forget who it was, uh, some Brandon I I forget who it was, uh, some Brandon maybe CIA agent, CIA director a few maybe CIA agent, CIA director a few maybe CIA agent, CIA director a few years ago, and he was trying to minimize years ago, and he was trying to minimize years ago, and he was trying to minimize the ISIS phenomenon. And he's saying, the ISIS phenomenon. And he's saying, the ISIS phenomenon. And he's saying, you know, this has something to do with you know, this has something to do with you know, this has something to do with Islam, Islam, Islam, >> ISIS Islamic State, >> ISIS Islamic State, >> ISIS Islamic State, >> and the atrocities they're engaging. And >> and the atrocities they're engaging. And >> and the atrocities they're engaging. And he said because if you look at all the he said because if you look at all the he said because if you look at all the people who are involved in it, they are people who are involved in it, they are people who are involved in it, they are all former criminals and they just are all former criminals and they just are all former criminals and they just are criminals. And that okay so on he's criminals. And that okay so on he's criminals. And that okay so on he's trying to say oh these are just trying to say oh these are just trying to say oh these are just criminals who are trying to justify criminals who are trying to justify criminals who are trying to justify their criminality or could it be that their criminality or could it be that their criminality or could it be that because Islam actually justifies this because Islam actually justifies this because Islam actually justifies this stuff these criminal elements find stuff these criminal elements find stuff these criminal elements find themselves gravitating towards it. Okay. themselves gravitating towards it. Okay. themselves gravitating towards it. Okay. So beheading people and crucifying them So beheading people and crucifying them So beheading people and crucifying them and engaging in raping and enslaving. and engaging in raping and enslaving. and engaging in raping and enslaving. Okay. There's people who think and do Okay. There's people who think and do Okay. There's people who think and do that regardless of religion, non, you that regardless of religion, non, you that regardless of religion, non, you know, westerners, non-westerners, all know, westerners, non-westerners, all know, westerners, non-westerners, all races. But if you have a religion that races. But if you have a religion that races. But if you have a religion that now actually promotes this and puts a now actually promotes this and puts a now actually promotes this and puts a pious veneer on it and tells you you're pious veneer on it and tells you you're pious veneer on it and tells you you're going to go to heaven, I think that has, going to go to heaven, I think that has, going to go to heaven, I think that has, you know, the the capacity to really you know, the the capacity to really you know, the the capacity to really radicalize and win over people as radicalize and win over people as radicalize and win over people as opposed to what you're saying, for opposed to what you're saying, for opposed to what you're saying, for example, about Jesus. Okay. Are there example, about Jesus. Okay. Are there example, about Jesus. Okay. Are there Christians who are nominal Christians Christians who are nominal Christians Christians who are nominal Christians who want to engage in violence? Yeah, of who want to engage in violence? Yeah, of who want to engage in violence? Yeah, of course. But they don't have the course. But they don't have the course. But they don't have the ideological support the way a Muslim or ideological support the way a Muslim or ideological support the way a Muslim or a convert to Islam would have it. And a convert to Islam would have it. And a convert to Islam would have it. And this again, this is just this again, this is just this again, this is just >> actually say behead people in >> actually say behead people in >> actually say behead people in >> Oh, yeah. In the Quran. Yeah. Yeah. And >> Oh, yeah. In the Quran. Yeah. Yeah. And >> Oh, yeah. In the Quran. Yeah. Yeah. And crucify them, chop their fingertips off. crucify them, chop their fingertips off. crucify them, chop their fingertips off. Uh Yeah. Yeah. And slit their throat. Uh Yeah. Yeah. And slit their throat. Uh Yeah. Yeah. And slit their throat. And so um so for example if you look in And so um so for example if you look in And so um so for example if you look in Europe Europe Europe rape in a lot of these countries it's rape in a lot of these countries it's rape in a lot of these countries it's it's something like 80% by Muslim it's something like 80% by Muslim it's something like 80% by Muslim migrants. Okay even though they're often migrants. Okay even though they're often migrants. Okay even though they're often under 10% of the population. under 10% of the population. under 10% of the population. >> So what do you you know what do you make >> So what do you you know what do you make >> So what do you you know what do you make of that? There's uh there has to be a of that? There's uh there has to be a of that? There's uh there has to be a correlation. They usually try not they correlation. They usually try not they correlation. They usually try not they don't want these numbers to come out. don't want these numbers to come out. don't want these numbers to come out. They don't want people to understand They don't want people to understand They don't want people to understand what's going on. But it's like, yeah, what's going on. But it's like, yeah, what's going on. But it's like, yeah, there's a correlate if I Okay, a man there's a correlate if I Okay, a man there's a correlate if I Okay, a man who's um again nominal Christian. Yeah. who's um again nominal Christian. Yeah. who's um again nominal Christian. Yeah. Do some of them rape? Yeah, obviously. Do some of them rape? Yeah, obviously. Do some of them rape? Yeah, obviously. But you're this person is not going to But you're this person is not going to But you're this person is not going to be able to go quote the Bible. Okay. And be able to go quote the Bible. Okay. And be able to go quote the Bible. Okay. And the Old Testament thing is not really the Old Testament thing is not really the Old Testament thing is not really the same. We can talk about that. It's the same. We can talk about that. It's the same. We can talk about that. It's not the Old Testament is descriptive. not the Old Testament is descriptive. not the Old Testament is descriptive. It's not prescriptive. The Quran is It's not prescriptive. The Quran is It's not prescriptive. The Quran is prescriptive. prescriptive. prescriptive. >> Uh give me the difference. >> Uh give me the difference. >> Uh give me the difference. >> The difference is Okay. So, a lot of >> The difference is Okay. So, a lot of >> The difference is Okay. So, a lot of people tell you, you know, why are you people tell you, you know, why are you people tell you, you know, why are you picking on the Quran, the violence? Uh, picking on the Quran, the violence? Uh, picking on the Quran, the violence? Uh, didn't you read the Old Testament? didn't you read the Old Testament? didn't you read the Old Testament? Joshua, genocide, God. Okay. Joshua, genocide, God. Okay. Joshua, genocide, God. Okay. >> Wild. >> Wild. >> Wild. >> Yeah. The difference is this. Think of >> Yeah. The difference is this. Think of >> Yeah. The difference is this. Think of it whatever you want. Okay. But it's it whatever you want. Okay. But it's it whatever you want. Okay. But it's it's no everyone who read it and it's no everyone who read it and it's no everyone who read it and understand it. It's written in a very understand it. It's written in a very understand it. It's written in a very temporal language. It's and it's finite. temporal language. It's and it's finite. temporal language. It's and it's finite. It talks about it gives you the names of It talks about it gives you the names of It talks about it gives you the names of the enemies, the Hebusites, the the enemies, the Hebusites, the the enemies, the Hebusites, the Pebbusites, the Canaanites, okay? None Pebbusites, the Canaanites, okay? None Pebbusites, the Canaanites, okay? None of who exist. And it uses a language of who exist. And it uses a language of who exist. And it uses a language which is basically you understand uh you which is basically you understand uh you which is basically you understand uh you the Hebrews in the now are fighting this the Hebrews in the now are fighting this the Hebrews in the now are fighting this group of people. Now again you can make group of people. Now again you can make group of people. Now again you can make of it whatever you want but it's not of it whatever you want but it's not of it whatever you want but it's not prescriptive in the sense that in the prescriptive in the sense that in the prescriptive in the sense that in the Quran it's the same thing. You know Quran it's the same thing. You know Quran it's the same thing. You know there were actual historic enemies that there were actual historic enemies that there were actual historic enemies that the Arabs were fighting in the 7th the Arabs were fighting in the 7th the Arabs were fighting in the 7th century. The Byzantines, the Eastern century. The Byzantines, the Eastern century. The Byzantines, the Eastern Roman Empire, the Cisanians, uh the Roman Empire, the Cisanians, uh the Roman Empire, the Cisanians, uh the Kuresh, the you know pagans, but they're Kuresh, the you know pagans, but they're Kuresh, the you know pagans, but they're not given their name. They're actually not given their name. They're actually not given their name. They're actually called the non-Muslims, the kafir, okay, called the non-Muslims, the kafir, okay, called the non-Muslims, the kafir, okay, which is the infidel translated. which is the infidel translated. which is the infidel translated. >> We'll get back to the show in a second, >> We'll get back to the show in a second, >> We'll get back to the show in a second, but first, let's talk about one thing but first, let's talk about one thing but first, let's talk about one thing your business cannot afford to get your business cannot afford to get your business cannot afford to get wrong. It's not your product. It's not wrong. It's not your product. It's not wrong. It's not your product. It's not even your marketing. It's not payroll. even your marketing. It's not payroll. even your marketing. It's not payroll. It's your decisions. Every wrong call It's your decisions. Every wrong call It's your decisions. Every wrong call starts the same way. 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What you're describing sounds to me less What you're describing sounds to me less What you're describing sounds to me less like that it the Old Testament isn't like that it the Old Testament isn't like that it the Old Testament isn't prescriptive. It's more that the Old prescriptive. It's more that the Old prescriptive. It's more that the Old Testament is specific Testament is specific Testament is specific >> and the Quran is generalized. >> and the Quran is generalized. >> and the Quran is generalized. >> It's open-ended. even the lang the >> It's open-ended. even the lang the >> It's open-ended. even the lang the verbs. So when you read the verb of verbs. So when you read the verb of verbs. So when you read the verb of killing the infidel, killing the infidel, killing the infidel, >> it's in the present, you know, fight and >> it's in the present, you know, fight and >> it's in the present, you know, fight and kill the infidel. So if I'm a Muslim, I kill the infidel. So if I'm a Muslim, I kill the infidel. So if I'm a Muslim, I read it, okay, it's uh, you know, it's read it, okay, it's uh, you know, it's read it, okay, it's uh, you know, it's speaking to me in the now, whereas I speaking to me in the now, whereas I speaking to me in the now, whereas I read an Old Testament uh passage about read an Old Testament uh passage about read an Old Testament uh passage about Joshua waring, Joshua waring, Joshua waring, >> okay, it is what it is. It doesn't >> okay, it is what it is. It doesn't >> okay, it is what it is. It doesn't necessarily I don't read it as this is necessarily I don't read it as this is necessarily I don't read it as this is instruction for me. instruction for me. instruction for me. >> Okay. Um, >> Okay. Um, >> Okay. Um, how do you feel about the following how do you feel about the following how do you feel about the following statement? If let's to me as I hear this statement? If let's to me as I hear this statement? If let's to me as I hear this I have not read the Old Testament nor I have not read the Old Testament nor I have not read the Old Testament nor have I read the Quran. So uh people that have I read the Quran. So uh people that have I read the Quran. So uh people that know more than me can uh think something know more than me can uh think something know more than me can uh think something totally different but Old Testament at totally different but Old Testament at totally different but Old Testament at the headline level I've heard enough the headline level I've heard enough the headline level I've heard enough that I'm like this is wild [ __ ] and I'm that I'm like this is wild [ __ ] and I'm that I'm like this is wild [ __ ] and I'm just going to set it all aside because just going to set it all aside because just going to set it all aside because it's so crazy it makes me dislike their it's so crazy it makes me dislike their it's so crazy it makes me dislike their version of God that is not interesting version of God that is not interesting version of God that is not interesting to me at all. to me at all. to me at all. >> The behavior that seems condoned even if >> The behavior that seems condoned even if >> The behavior that seems condoned even if it's not told you need to go do this it's not told you need to go do this it's not told you need to go do this >> is crazy. And I've certainly heard stuff >> is crazy. And I've certainly heard stuff >> is crazy. And I've certainly heard stuff like you can stone people to death for like you can stone people to death for like you can stone people to death for homosexuality and things like that which homosexuality and things like that which homosexuality and things like that which >> yeah I couldn't sign against harder if I >> yeah I couldn't sign against harder if I >> yeah I couldn't sign against harder if I tried. So it's like okay all of that is tried. So it's like okay all of that is tried. So it's like okay all of that is atrocious. And so I look at that stuff atrocious. And so I look at that stuff atrocious. And so I look at that stuff and I'm handwavy away to like you and I'm handwavy away to like you and I'm handwavy away to like you obviously need to get away from that. obviously need to get away from that. obviously need to get away from that. >> And so I feel like it would be just to >> And so I feel like it would be just to >> And so I feel like it would be just to do the same thing to the Quran. So is it do the same thing to the Quran. So is it do the same thing to the Quran. So is it that accidentally that accidentally that accidentally the way that the Old Testament is the way that the Old Testament is the way that the Old Testament is structured linguistically, it just structured linguistically, it just structured linguistically, it just doesn't have the mind virus effect into doesn't have the mind virus effect into doesn't have the mind virus effect into the present that the Quran accidentally the present that the Quran accidentally the present that the Quran accidentally ends up having. So it's not that uh we ends up having. So it's not that uh we ends up having. So it's not that uh we should ascribe to uh Muhammad any extra should ascribe to uh Muhammad any extra should ascribe to uh Muhammad any extra like sort of bad vibes or you know like sort of bad vibes or you know like sort of bad vibes or you know whatever you want to say than you would whatever you want to say than you would whatever you want to say than you would to the writers of the Old Testament. to the writers of the Old Testament. to the writers of the Old Testament. It's just that his linguistic choices It's just that his linguistic choices It's just that his linguistic choices end up having this knock-on effect end up having this knock-on effect end up having this knock-on effect throughout history that were not present throughout history that were not present throughout history that were not present in the Old Testament. Or does that feel in the Old Testament. Or does that feel in the Old Testament. Or does that feel naive? naive? naive? >> No, no, that's that sounds like a a >> No, no, that's that sounds like a a >> No, no, that's that sounds like a a secular rationalization. Okay. But a secular rationalization. Okay. But a secular rationalization. Okay. But a believer of a a Christian or a Muslim, believer of a a Christian or a Muslim, believer of a a Christian or a Muslim, the Christian and and I assume, you the Christian and and I assume, you the Christian and and I assume, you know, possibly the Jew could say, "No, know, possibly the Jew could say, "No, know, possibly the Jew could say, "No, this it was intentionally written that this it was intentionally written that this it was intentionally written that way. Um, so we don't go and kill people way. Um, so we don't go and kill people way. Um, so we don't go and kill people today." Whereas the Muslim will tell today." Whereas the Muslim will tell today." Whereas the Muslim will tell you, "No, it's intentionally written you, "No, it's intentionally written you, "No, it's intentionally written that way because jihad is still alive in that way because jihad is still alive in that way because jihad is still alive in the now." That's the knock on effect I'm the now." That's the knock on effect I'm the now." That's the knock on effect I'm talking about. It gives people as they talking about. It gives people as they talking about. It gives people as they interpret it interpret it interpret it >> uh the lens through which to say that >> uh the lens through which to say that >> uh the lens through which to say that interpretation. But ultimately it it interpretation. But ultimately it it interpretation. But ultimately it it does come down to does come down to does come down to >> uh the things happening in the books are >> uh the things happening in the books are >> uh the things happening in the books are pretty horrifying. pretty horrifying. pretty horrifying. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I I mean there's there's >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I I mean there's there's >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I I mean there's there's people who have said if you really people who have said if you really people who have said if you really compare the violence and the atrocities compare the violence and the atrocities compare the violence and the atrocities and the sort of bad vibes in the Old and the sort of bad vibes in the Old and the sort of bad vibes in the Old Testament that they're worse than the Testament that they're worse than the Testament that they're worse than the Quran. Quran. Quran. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> But again, it really goes it goes to I'm >> But again, it really goes it goes to I'm >> But again, it really goes it goes to I'm not looking at I'm not looking Yeah. The not looking at I'm not looking Yeah. The not looking at I'm not looking Yeah. The words are the words, but how do they words are the words, but how do they words are the words, but how do they guide the people today? And you we're guide the people today? And you we're guide the people today? And you we're not seeing Jews and Christians doing not seeing Jews and Christians doing not seeing Jews and Christians doing that sort of thing. Okay, we are seeing that sort of thing. Okay, we are seeing that sort of thing. Okay, we are seeing Muslims doing that sort of thing. I've Muslims doing that sort of thing. I've Muslims doing that sort of thing. I've given some reasons why I think that's given some reasons why I think that's given some reasons why I think that's the case because it's seen, it's the case because it's seen, it's the case because it's seen, it's described, the language is very, described, the language is very, described, the language is very, including the tense is prescriptive. including the tense is prescriptive. including the tense is prescriptive. It's generic. It's open-ended. When it It's generic. It's open-ended. When it It's generic. It's open-ended. When it says fight, okay, so like I told you, says fight, okay, so like I told you, says fight, okay, so like I told you, the Old Testament says fight these the Old Testament says fight these the Old Testament says fight these groups of people who don't exist. The groups of people who don't exist. The groups of people who don't exist. The Quran says fight the non-Muslim until he Quran says fight the non-Muslim until he Quran says fight the non-Muslim until he is subjugated. Well, if I'm a Muslim and is subjugated. Well, if I'm a Muslim and is subjugated. Well, if I'm a Muslim and I read that, there's non-Muslims all I read that, there's non-Muslims all I read that, there's non-Muslims all around me and they're not subjugated. around me and they're not subjugated. around me and they're not subjugated. So, that's why I think it takes more of So, that's why I think it takes more of So, that's why I think it takes more of an immediate uh tone. an immediate uh tone. an immediate uh tone. >> Okay. Okay. So, we're kneedeep in the >> Okay. Okay. So, we're kneedeep in the >> Okay. Okay. So, we're kneedeep in the doctrine here. doctrine here. doctrine here. >> And otherwise, you know, just to >> And otherwise, you know, just to >> And otherwise, you know, just to continue this like so otherwise, how continue this like so otherwise, how continue this like so otherwise, how would one explain it? Why is it that would one explain it? Why is it that would one explain it? Why is it that this is happening amongst Muslims? It's this is happening amongst Muslims? It's this is happening amongst Muslims? It's obvious and it's not happening if all obvious and it's not happening if all obvious and it's not happening if all religions have their wackos. Why is it religions have their wackos. Why is it religions have their wackos. Why is it so overwhelmingly? You look at any of so overwhelmingly? You look at any of so overwhelmingly? You look at any of these European countries and you look these European countries and you look these European countries and you look at, you know, the number of terrorist at, you know, the number of terrorist at, you know, the number of terrorist attacks and they're overwhelmingly attacks and they're overwhelmingly attacks and they're overwhelmingly Muslims even though Muslims are Muslims even though Muslims are Muslims even though Muslims are minority. minority. minority. >> So what if if it's not what I'm saying, >> So what if if it's not what I'm saying, >> So what if if it's not what I'm saying, what else could it be? what else could it be? what else could it be? >> I think I have a different read on all >> I think I have a different read on all >> I think I have a different read on all of this than you. I'll lay it out here of this than you. I'll lay it out here of this than you. I'll lay it out here so people don't think I'm dodging the so people don't think I'm dodging the so people don't think I'm dodging the question, but this is probably not yet question, but this is probably not yet question, but this is probably not yet the point in the interview where we go the point in the interview where we go the point in the interview where we go down this path, but it my thing goes down this path, but it my thing goes down this path, but it my thing goes like this. like this. like this. >> Culture clashes are real. I worry about >> Culture clashes are real. I worry about >> Culture clashes are real. I worry about that a lot. they decoher society and that a lot. they decoher society and that a lot. they decoher society and then you get all kinds of madness. then you get all kinds of madness. then you get all kinds of madness. >> Um, I'm a big believer that cultures are >> Um, I'm a big believer that cultures are >> Um, I'm a big believer that cultures are going to compete. I want my culture to going to compete. I want my culture to going to compete. I want my culture to win because I grew up in it and it win because I grew up in it and it win because I grew up in it and it treated me very well and I love it. I treated me very well and I love it. I treated me very well and I love it. I love the way it made me feel. I love the love the way it made me feel. I love the love the way it made me feel. I love the way it makes me feel towards other way it makes me feel towards other way it makes me feel towards other people. Makes me feel open and people. Makes me feel open and people. Makes me feel open and inclusive. I love all of that. But it inclusive. I love all of that. But it inclusive. I love all of that. But it also makes me want to play to win. And also makes me want to play to win. And also makes me want to play to win. And so there's this really cool thing if I so there's this really cool thing if I so there's this really cool thing if I want an open playing field and yet I want an open playing field and yet I want an open playing field and yet I want to get so good that I can beat want to get so good that I can beat want to get so good that I can beat everybody else. everybody else. everybody else. >> Um, so that's why I love my culture and >> Um, so that's why I love my culture and >> Um, so that's why I love my culture and why I want to see it win. But I also why I want to see it win. But I also why I want to see it win. But I also only want an even playing field. And so only want an even playing field. And so only want an even playing field. And so that's where this gets strange where that's where this gets strange where that's where this gets strange where it's like, okay, how protective do we it's like, okay, how protective do we it's like, okay, how protective do we be? Now, I'm a person who believes you be? Now, I'm a person who believes you be? Now, I'm a person who believes you have to have very strict immigration have to have very strict immigration have to have very strict immigration policies. And so I have a feeling we'll policies. And so I have a feeling we'll policies. And so I have a feeling we'll agree on that, but it might be for agree on that, but it might be for agree on that, but it might be for different reasons. So that's the part different reasons. So that's the part different reasons. So that's the part that I will hopefully we'll have time at that I will hopefully we'll have time at that I will hopefully we'll have time at the end to get to. Um, so what I'm the end to get to. Um, so what I'm the end to get to. Um, so what I'm trying to tease out is is um our Muslims trying to tease out is is um our Muslims trying to tease out is is um our Muslims right now culturally because I've heard right now culturally because I've heard right now culturally because I've heard you you've been very clear on doctrine you you've been very clear on doctrine you you've been very clear on doctrine and your hypothesis is it creates this and your hypothesis is it creates this and your hypothesis is it creates this way outsized and very unique impact on way outsized and very unique impact on way outsized and very unique impact on the world. To me it's very in line with the world. To me it's very in line with the world. To me it's very in line with what Sam Harris says. I think there's a what Sam Harris says. I think there's a what Sam Harris says. I think there's a lot there. It it makes sense as an lot there. It it makes sense as an lot there. It it makes sense as an argument. Um, and what I'm trying to argument. Um, and what I'm trying to argument. Um, and what I'm trying to figure out is is it that or is it just figure out is is it that or is it just figure out is is it that or is it just that they're having more kids, they're that they're having more kids, they're that they're having more kids, they're more confident in themselves, and so more confident in themselves, and so more confident in themselves, and so they're not afraid to be like, "Yeah, they're not afraid to be like, "Yeah, they're not afraid to be like, "Yeah, [ __ ] you. My religion is better." And [ __ ] you. My religion is better." And [ __ ] you. My religion is better." And so, yes, I'm going to come to your so, yes, I'm going to come to your so, yes, I'm going to come to your country. You're wealthy. Uh, you guys country. You're wealthy. Uh, you guys country. You're wealthy. Uh, you guys have cooler [ __ ] I'm going to come have cooler [ __ ] I'm going to come have cooler [ __ ] I'm going to come here. I'm going to raise my kids here, here. I'm going to raise my kids here, here. I'm going to raise my kids here, but we're going to uh terraform this but we're going to uh terraform this but we're going to uh terraform this place culturally. We're going to take it place culturally. We're going to take it place culturally. We're going to take it over. We're going to take the advantages over. We're going to take the advantages over. We're going to take the advantages that you guys have, keep that rolling. that you guys have, keep that rolling. that you guys have, keep that rolling. but at the same time, you guys are but at the same time, you guys are but at the same time, you guys are living a super lame um like value system living a super lame um like value system living a super lame um like value system life and we're gonna take that over. And life and we're gonna take that over. And life and we're gonna take that over. And it's like, yeah, I both understand why a it's like, yeah, I both understand why a it's like, yeah, I both understand why a culture would think that's a good idea culture would think that's a good idea culture would think that's a good idea if they have like the confidence of if they have like the confidence of if they have like the confidence of their culture. their culture. their culture. >> And I understand why the country that >> And I understand why the country that >> And I understand why the country that that's being done to would be like, that's being done to would be like, that's being done to would be like, [ __ ] right off. And so when I see Japan [ __ ] right off. And so when I see Japan [ __ ] right off. And so when I see Japan being like, nope, you guys got to go. being like, nope, you guys got to go. being like, nope, you guys got to go. >> I find it funny. Now, I also have I >> I find it funny. Now, I also have I >> I find it funny. Now, I also have I tried to do business in Japan. It did. tried to do business in Japan. It did. tried to do business in Japan. It did. It went nowhere. Like, it was um It went nowhere. Like, it was um It went nowhere. Like, it was um >> So, they're not open. In other words, >> So, they're not open. In other words, >> So, they're not open. In other words, >> they're not open in the slightest. And >> they're not open in the slightest. And >> they're not open in the slightest. And it's created this incredibly unique it's created this incredibly unique it's created this incredibly unique culture that I have I have gained so culture that I have I have gained so culture that I have I have gained so much um enjoyment from, insights from, much um enjoyment from, insights from, much um enjoyment from, insights from, whatever that I completely respect whatever that I completely respect whatever that I completely respect >> and enjoy being able to interact with >> and enjoy being able to interact with >> and enjoy being able to interact with their culture. I don't think it's better their culture. I don't think it's better their culture. I don't think it's better than ours, but I really find it than ours, but I really find it than ours, but I really find it engaging. So the fact that they would engaging. So the fact that they would engaging. So the fact that they would tell me like, "Hey, we want to do tell me like, "Hey, we want to do tell me like, "Hey, we want to do business with Japanese people. You can business with Japanese people. You can business with Japanese people. You can >> go away." Bugger off. >> go away." Bugger off. >> go away." Bugger off. >> Like I'm like, "Hey, I get it. No >> Like I'm like, "Hey, I get it. No >> Like I'm like, "Hey, I get it. No worries." Like you do you. It's part of worries." Like you do you. It's part of worries." Like you do you. It's part of what makes you interesting. So now I get what makes you interesting. So now I get what makes you interesting. So now I get it. It becomes very existential from a it. It becomes very existential from a it. It becomes very existential from a cultural perspective. So I'm watching cultural perspective. So I'm watching cultural perspective. So I'm watching what's happening in Europe and I am a what's happening in Europe and I am a what's happening in Europe and I am a gasast that they don't believe in gasast that they don't believe in gasast that they don't believe in themselves and they look at what they've themselves and they look at what they've themselves and they look at what they've accomplished. They have the largest accomplished. They have the largest accomplished. They have the largest empire in the world and all they can see empire in the world and all they can see empire in the world and all they can see is but we were bad people. light and I'm is but we were bad people. light and I'm is but we were bad people. light and I'm just like what the [ __ ] So anyway, that just like what the [ __ ] So anyway, that just like what the [ __ ] So anyway, that to me feels like a very inappropriate to me feels like a very inappropriate to me feels like a very inappropriate read of what you've done historically. read of what you've done historically. read of what you've done historically. I'm all for people going well there were I'm all for people going well there were I'm all for people going well there were parts of this that were horrific and so parts of this that were horrific and so parts of this that were horrific and so we'd never rerun that experiment, but at we'd never rerun that experiment, but at we'd never rerun that experiment, but at the same time to be able to see what it the same time to be able to see what it the same time to be able to see what it looks like when we're muscular and looks like when we're muscular and looks like when we're muscular and strong and we believe in ourselves and strong and we believe in ourselves and strong and we believe in ourselves and like all of that. We're going to check like all of that. We're going to check like all of that. We're going to check ourselves so that we don't, you know, ourselves so that we don't, you know, ourselves so that we don't, you know, sort of redo and I mean I think in many sort of redo and I mean I think in many sort of redo and I mean I think in many ways the American system post World War ways the American system post World War ways the American system post World War II was us trying to do colonialism, II was us trying to do colonialism, II was us trying to do colonialism, right? we'd go in and help, but we right? we'd go in and help, but we right? we'd go in and help, but we wouldn't take over. We had a military wouldn't take over. We had a military wouldn't take over. We had a military base, but we're not trying to tell you base, but we're not trying to tell you base, but we're not trying to tell you what to do. what to do. what to do. >> So, it's like we want to control the >> So, it's like we want to control the >> So, it's like we want to control the economy, but like you can still be economy, but like you can still be economy, but like you can still be Japanese. You know what I mean? So, that Japanese. You know what I mean? So, that Japanese. You know what I mean? So, that we got closer. we got closer. we got closer. >> Trust me, you can go down very dark >> Trust me, you can go down very dark >> Trust me, you can go down very dark paths of things the US has done, and you paths of things the US has done, and you paths of things the US has done, and you hopefully get better and better and hopefully get better and better and hopefully get better and better and better over time. But, nonetheless, I do better over time. But, nonetheless, I do better over time. But, nonetheless, I do not share the sort of self-suicidal, not share the sort of self-suicidal, not share the sort of self-suicidal, self- flagagillating look at America or self- flagagillating look at America or self- flagagillating look at America or the UK or wherever. But I also don't the UK or wherever. But I also don't the UK or wherever. But I also don't immediately extend to um Islam that immediately extend to um Islam that immediately extend to um Islam that right now is like having their moment right now is like having their moment right now is like having their moment like they're it's working man having like they're it's working man having like they're it's working man having babies believing in your book like babies believing in your book like babies believing in your book like recruiting the [ __ ] out of other people recruiting the [ __ ] out of other people recruiting the [ __ ] out of other people telling them like yo these guys are weak telling them like yo these guys are weak telling them like yo these guys are weak like look at these idiots the way they like look at these idiots the way they like look at these idiots the way they run their country like forget all that run their country like forget all that run their country like forget all that like we're going to be tough we're going like we're going to be tough we're going like we're going to be tough we're going to be strong we're not going to be to be strong we're not going to be to be strong we're not going to be pushed around pushed around pushed around >> hey now to your point at the beginning >> hey now to your point at the beginning >> hey now to your point at the beginning there comes a time where wait hold on if there comes a time where wait hold on if there comes a time where wait hold on if you're going to tell me how to live now you're going to tell me how to live now you're going to tell me how to live now I have a real [ __ ] problem. And so I have a real [ __ ] problem. And so I have a real [ __ ] problem. And so part of the reason I wanted to interview part of the reason I wanted to interview part of the reason I wanted to interview you is I am looking at this going, hm, you is I am looking at this going, hm, you is I am looking at this going, hm, is there a uniquely escalatory problem is there a uniquely escalatory problem is there a uniquely escalatory problem where this religion, the dieards, you've where this religion, the dieards, you've where this religion, the dieards, you've been very clear and it makes a lot of been very clear and it makes a lot of been very clear and it makes a lot of sense to me that it's probably a small sense to me that it's probably a small sense to me that it's probably a small number, but that the dieards are going number, but that the dieards are going number, but that the dieards are going to make problems for me. And especially to make problems for me. And especially to make problems for me. And especially because I believe that American culture because I believe that American culture because I believe that American culture right now does not believe in itself as right now does not believe in itself as right now does not believe in itself as very weak. But I want to see it reassert very weak. But I want to see it reassert very weak. But I want to see it reassert itself. I want to see America be strong itself. I want to see America be strong itself. I want to see America be strong again from a cultural perspective. I'm again from a cultural perspective. I'm again from a cultural perspective. I'm not Christian even a little bit. not Christian even a little bit. not Christian even a little bit. However, I believe I have grown up in However, I believe I have grown up in However, I believe I have grown up in the cultural soup of believing that the the cultural soup of believing that the the cultural soup of believing that the individual is sovereign, that there is a individual is sovereign, that there is a individual is sovereign, that there is a little bit of divinity in all of us and little bit of divinity in all of us and little bit of divinity in all of us and therefore there should be individual therefore there should be individual therefore there should be individual freedoms and all of that. I look at freedoms and all of that. I look at freedoms and all of that. I look at Islam does not seem compatible with Islam does not seem compatible with Islam does not seem compatible with that. Maybe people will make me a that. Maybe people will make me a that. Maybe people will make me a believer. I doubt it, but it's certainly believer. I doubt it, but it's certainly believer. I doubt it, but it's certainly possible. So that's sort of how I come possible. So that's sort of how I come possible. So that's sort of how I come at all of this. And as I was saying at all of this. And as I was saying at all of this. And as I was saying before we started rolling, what I want before we started rolling, what I want before we started rolling, what I want to understand are all the base to understand are all the base to understand are all the base assumptions that you have that lead you assumptions that you have that lead you assumptions that you have that lead you to your conclusions because then I can to your conclusions because then I can to your conclusions because then I can go either agree with the base go either agree with the base go either agree with the base assumptions or I don't. And then I can assumptions or I don't. And then I can assumptions or I don't. And then I can build my own thinking rather than just build my own thinking rather than just build my own thinking rather than just being a parrot who's like, being a parrot who's like, being a parrot who's like, >> "Oh, I've never thought through this, so >> "Oh, I've never thought through this, so >> "Oh, I've never thought through this, so I'm just going to parrot back what you I'm just going to parrot back what you I'm just going to parrot back what you say or what somebody else says." No, no, say or what somebody else says." No, no, say or what somebody else says." No, no, no. I understand the base assumptions. no. I understand the base assumptions. no. I understand the base assumptions. And so now I'm like, "Well, is that true And so now I'm like, "Well, is that true And so now I'm like, "Well, is that true or not?" Okay. So we were in doctrine. or not?" Okay. So we were in doctrine. or not?" Okay. So we were in doctrine. >> Have you laid out all of the doctrines >> Have you laid out all of the doctrines >> Have you laid out all of the doctrines you believe that make Islam uniquely you believe that make Islam uniquely you believe that make Islam uniquely problematic or are there? problematic or are there? problematic or are there? >> Yeah, there were three. So the first one >> Yeah, there were three. So the first one >> Yeah, there were three. So the first one I mentioned, loyalty, enmity, tribalism I mentioned, loyalty, enmity, tribalism I mentioned, loyalty, enmity, tribalism essentially, but deified, which creates essentially, but deified, which creates essentially, but deified, which creates the hostility that manifests itself as the hostility that manifests itself as the hostility that manifests itself as jihad. So that's the physical jihad. So that's the physical jihad. So that's the physical manifestation that we're familiar with, manifestation that we're familiar with, manifestation that we're familiar with, which can be expressed as terrorism, which can be expressed as terrorism, which can be expressed as terrorism, warfare, conquest. And the third one is warfare, conquest. And the third one is warfare, conquest. And the third one is basically the idea that once a conquest basically the idea that once a conquest basically the idea that once a conquest happens, which kind of goes to where happens, which kind of goes to where happens, which kind of goes to where you're going. Um, you know, so let I you're going. Um, you know, so let I you're going. Um, you know, so let I think you're asking me like, okay, think you're asking me like, okay, think you're asking me like, okay, Muslims are just competing like everyone Muslims are just competing like everyone Muslims are just competing like everyone else and they're having their moments, else and they're having their moments, else and they're having their moments, but is it going to get dark in the end? but is it going to get dark in the end? but is it going to get dark in the end? So what happened to conquered, you know, So what happened to conquered, you know, So what happened to conquered, you know, um, subject populations historically is um, subject populations historically is um, subject populations historically is not what, for example, happened under not what, for example, happened under not what, for example, happened under the Mongols. Okay. So the Mongols the Mongols. Okay. So the Mongols the Mongols. Okay. So the Mongols actually when they would and they were actually when they would and they were actually when they would and they were really brutal and brutal. Yeah, exactly. really brutal and brutal. Yeah, exactly. really brutal and brutal. Yeah, exactly. There's no one no one has reached that There's no one no one has reached that There's no one no one has reached that level. Okay. But they actually gave level. Okay. But they actually gave level. Okay. But they actually gave freedom of religion and we weren't freedom of religion and we weren't freedom of religion and we weren't supremacist against you because you supremacist against you because you supremacist against you because you believe this or that and the other believe this or that and the other believe this or that and the other thing. thing. thing. >> Islam doesn't have that. Okay. So in >> Islam doesn't have that. Okay. So in >> Islam doesn't have that. Okay. So in Islam once you're conquered the you know Islam once you're conquered the you know Islam once you're conquered the you know you pay tribute and you have to be a you pay tribute and you have to be a you pay tribute and you have to be a secondass citizen. Now this actually secondass citizen. Now this actually secondass citizen. Now this actually continues throughout the Islamic world. continues throughout the Islamic world. continues throughout the Islamic world. If you talk about Egypt my ancestral If you talk about Egypt my ancestral If you talk about Egypt my ancestral homeland that's what you will see more homeland that's what you will see more homeland that's what you will see more not necessarily physical persecution not necessarily physical persecution not necessarily physical persecution that happens. Okay. But what's ingrained that happens. Okay. But what's ingrained that happens. Okay. But what's ingrained in the culture is a sort of in the culture is a sort of in the culture is a sort of discriminatory attitude towards the discriminatory attitude towards the discriminatory attitude towards the non-Muslim. Let's say the Christian. You non-Muslim. Let's say the Christian. You non-Muslim. Let's say the Christian. You are a secondass citizen. Okay. are a secondass citizen. Okay. are a secondass citizen. Okay. >> So why weren't your parents more angry >> So why weren't your parents more angry >> So why weren't your parents more angry with Muslims? with Muslims? with Muslims? >> I'll tell you why. Because they're born >> I'll tell you why. Because they're born >> I'll tell you why. Because they're born into that and that's normal. And uh you into that and that's normal. And uh you into that and that's normal. And uh you know there's a word for dimitude which know there's a word for dimitude which know there's a word for dimitude which means you know a dimm like that kind of means you know a dimm like that kind of means you know a dimm like that kind of person. They're called dimm and dimitude person. They're called dimm and dimitude person. They're called dimm and dimitude is this ment you know mentality. You're is this ment you know mentality. You're is this ment you know mentality. You're born into it and you just accept it. born into it and you just accept it. born into it and you just accept it. Yeah. I mean they're the overlords. Yeah. I mean they're the overlords. Yeah. I mean they're the overlords. They're the majority. So I I need to They're the majority. So I I need to They're the majority. So I I need to know my place. So, uh, and not know my place. So, uh, and not know my place. So, uh, and not necessarily my parents that that were necessarily my parents that that were necessarily my parents that that were like that, but that's kind of what like that, but that's kind of what like that, but that's kind of what influences a lot of people like that. influences a lot of people like that. influences a lot of people like that. They're just that they're born into it. They're just that they're born into it. They're just that they're born into it. That's how I have to be. It's a fair That's how I have to be. It's a fair That's how I have to be. It's a fair price. You know, they're the majority. price. You know, they're the majority. price. You know, they're the majority. The idea of, oh, everyone has their The idea of, oh, everyone has their The idea of, oh, everyone has their free, you know, freedom of like the free, you know, freedom of like the free, you know, freedom of like the American or Western idea. That's so American or Western idea. That's so American or Western idea. That's so alien. And I would say it's not organic. alien. And I would say it's not organic. alien. And I would say it's not organic. I mean, we have to learn that. I mean, we have to learn that. I mean, we have to learn that. >> It's like a cast system. >> It's like a cast system. >> It's like a cast system. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's more organic. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's more organic. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's more organic. It's organic to be I'm a minority. Let It's organic to be I'm a minority. Let It's organic to be I'm a minority. Let me just be grateful they're not killing me just be grateful they're not killing me just be grateful they're not killing me. You know, they're giving me some me. You know, they're giving me some me. You know, they're giving me some measure of tolerance. That's good. measure of tolerance. That's good. measure of tolerance. That's good. That's I think what how most people That's I think what how most people That's I think what how most people would understand it. What we have is would understand it. What we have is would understand it. What we have is actually, you know, it's it's it's actually, you know, it's it's it's actually, you know, it's it's it's manufactured. It's good, but it's not manufactured. It's good, but it's not manufactured. It's good, but it's not it's not naturally an organic thing that it's not naturally an organic thing that it's not naturally an organic thing that just everyone realizes, oh yeah, just everyone realizes, oh yeah, just everyone realizes, oh yeah, everyone's equal. That's what I mean. It everyone's equal. That's what I mean. It everyone's equal. That's what I mean. It goes back to the tribalism. goes back to the tribalism. goes back to the tribalism. >> And is it in the Quran that you have to >> And is it in the Quran that you have to >> And is it in the Quran that you have to be a secondass citizen? be a secondass citizen? be a secondass citizen? >> Yeah. Quran 9:29, it says, fight the >> Yeah. Quran 9:29, it says, fight the >> Yeah. Quran 9:29, it says, fight the people of the book, which is understood people of the book, which is understood people of the book, which is understood as Jews and Christians who actually, so as Jews and Christians who actually, so as Jews and Christians who actually, so this is actually good. I mean the other this is actually good. I mean the other this is actually good. I mean the other people who are not Jews and Christians, people who are not Jews and Christians, people who are not Jews and Christians, you're supposed to just kill them unless you're supposed to just kill them unless you're supposed to just kill them unless they convert. The Jews and the they convert. The Jews and the they convert. The Jews and the Christians according to this verse 929, Christians according to this verse 929, Christians according to this verse 929, you fight them until you until they keep you fight them until you until they keep you fight them until you until they keep fighting and you kill them or they fighting and you kill them or they fighting and you kill them or they submit and they pay tribute and it says submit and they pay tribute and it says submit and they pay tribute and it says and they live feeling subjugated and and they live feeling subjugated and and they live feeling subjugated and humbled. And then there's a whole entire humbled. And then there's a whole entire humbled. And then there's a whole entire Jewish prudence about how to make them Jewish prudence about how to make them Jewish prudence about how to make them feel that way. So historically there feel that way. So historically there feel that way. So historically there were times when the Jew or Christian were times when the Jew or Christian were times when the Jew or Christian comes and pays um the tax gatherer has comes and pays um the tax gatherer has comes and pays um the tax gatherer has to pull their beard and slap them. They to pull their beard and slap them. They to pull their beard and slap them. They have to crawl on all fours. Uh have to crawl on all fours. Uh have to crawl on all fours. Uh >> that's in the Quran. >> that's in the Quran. >> that's in the Quran. >> No no no that's that was a practice >> No no no that's that was a practice >> No no no that's that was a practice based on the verse practice based on the verse practice based on the verse practice >> based on the verse that they have to >> based on the verse that they have to >> based on the verse that they have to feel humbled which is in the Quran. feel humbled which is in the Quran. feel humbled which is in the Quran. >> The jurists would would um enforce these >> The jurists would would um enforce these >> The jurists would would um enforce these types of humiliation rituals types of humiliation rituals types of humiliation rituals >> because of that. >> because of that. >> because of that. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, um, anyway, so those are the >> Okay. So, um, anyway, so those are the >> Okay. So, um, anyway, so those are the doctrines, but to your point, okay, you doctrines, but to your point, okay, you doctrines, but to your point, okay, you were, I think, uh, and you know, correct were, I think, uh, and you know, correct were, I think, uh, and you know, correct me if I if I'm not if I'm paraphrasing me if I if I'm not if I'm paraphrasing me if I if I'm not if I'm paraphrasing you wrong, but you were saying kind of you wrong, but you were saying kind of you wrong, but you were saying kind of it's it's okay if Muslims want to come it's it's okay if Muslims want to come it's it's okay if Muslims want to come in and it's, you know, they're competing in and it's, you know, they're competing in and it's, you know, they're competing with ideas and they're proud of their with ideas and they're proud of their with ideas and they're proud of their way and, you know, they're just bringing way and, you know, they're just bringing way and, you know, they're just bringing their thing, right? Which was okay. I their thing, right? Which was okay. I their thing, right? Which was okay. I think you're saying, think you're saying, think you're saying, >> but the problem is what? >> but the problem is what? >> but the problem is what? >> If you're going to force your religion >> If you're going to force your religion >> If you're going to force your religion on other people, now I have beef. on other people, now I have beef. on other people, now I have beef. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. All right. So it's not an eitheror with Islam. So it's not an eitheror with Islam. So it's not an eitheror with Islam. Okay? It's not either they are just uh Okay? It's not either they are just uh Okay? It's not either they are just uh you know this is their moment or they you know this is their moment or they you know this is their moment or they are you know just uh they have a dark are you know just uh they have a dark are you know just uh they have a dark agenda. Okay. The two can work together agenda. Okay. The two can work together agenda. Okay. The two can work together actually and they often do and I'll give actually and they often do and I'll give actually and they often do and I'll give you a perfect historical precedent which you a perfect historical precedent which you a perfect historical precedent which may illuminate what we're discussing may illuminate what we're discussing may illuminate what we're discussing because you were talking about you don't because you were talking about you don't because you were talking about you don't like the self flagagillation of the west like the self flagagillation of the west like the self flagagillation of the west and whatnot. So historically if you go and whatnot. So historically if you go and whatnot. So historically if you go back to the colonial era and um again back to the colonial era and um again back to the colonial era and um again the problem with the colonial era is the problem with the colonial era is the problem with the colonial era is most people don't know what happened most people don't know what happened most people don't know what happened before it okay which was the longdrawn before it okay which was the longdrawn before it okay which was the longdrawn jihad and conquest of Christian jihad and conquest of Christian jihad and conquest of Christian territories and the colonial era was territories and the colonial era was territories and the colonial era was finally when Europe was now stronger and finally when Europe was now stronger and finally when Europe was now stronger and and went on the offense and it entered and went on the offense and it entered and went on the offense and it entered the Muslim lands which were formerly the Muslim lands which were formerly the Muslim lands which were formerly Christian. Okay. Now um what they did is Christian. Okay. Now um what they did is Christian. Okay. Now um what they did is okay you can say they conquered the okay you can say they conquered the okay you can say they conquered the Arabs and the Muslim and the per you Arabs and the Muslim and the per you Arabs and the Muslim and the per you know Asians and Africans and whatnot in know Asians and Africans and whatnot in know Asians and Africans and whatnot in during the colonial era but the during the colonial era but the during the colonial era but the difference is they actually brought a difference is they actually brought a difference is they actually brought a lot of good stuff honestly okay they lot of good stuff honestly okay they lot of good stuff honestly okay they actually brought science technology actually brought science technology actually brought science technology medicine progress which was not there medicine progress which was not there medicine progress which was not there literacy okay printing presses that's literacy okay printing presses that's literacy okay printing presses that's what the Europeans brought during the what the Europeans brought during the what the Europeans brought during the colonial era colonial era colonial era >> pause right there for a second I think >> pause right there for a second I think >> pause right there for a second I think this is going to be very important so this is going to be very important so this is going to be very important so obviously there are people right now in obviously there are people right now in obviously there are people right now in the comments freaking out that you would the comments freaking out that you would the comments freaking out that you would say that anything positive came out of say that anything positive came out of say that anything positive came out of colonialism. colonialism. colonialism. >> So now let's set the stage. Why didn't >> So now let's set the stage. Why didn't >> So now let's set the stage. Why didn't they have those things before? Why did they have those things before? Why did they have those things before? Why did >> the Arabs Muslims >> the Arabs Muslims >> the Arabs Muslims >> uh whoever whatever nation they're going >> uh whoever whatever nation they're going >> uh whoever whatever nation they're going into that should be and I'm sure some of into that should be and I'm sure some of into that should be and I'm sure some of them do actually say well we did them do actually say well we did them do actually say well we did >> get a couple bits and bobs out of this. >> get a couple bits and bobs out of this. >> get a couple bits and bobs out of this. >> Um but why didn't they have those >> Um but why didn't they have those >> Um but why didn't they have those things? Was there something about the things? Was there something about the things? Was there something about the West, the culture, the religion, West, the culture, the religion, West, the culture, the religion, whatever? Like does Christianity bring whatever? Like does Christianity bring whatever? Like does Christianity bring you science? Because Christians killed a you science? Because Christians killed a you science? Because Christians killed a lot of scientists. So like what what was lot of scientists. So like what what was lot of scientists. So like what what was it about the West that was good? What's it about the West that was good? What's it about the West that was good? What's the relationship between um Islam and the relationship between um Islam and the relationship between um Islam and the dark ages? Like I know there's a tie the dark ages? Like I know there's a tie the dark ages? Like I know there's a tie there. So walk me through why there's there. So walk me through why there's there. So walk me through why there's even that dichotomy in the first place even that dichotomy in the first place even that dichotomy in the first place where you could get the West coming in where you could get the West coming in where you could get the West coming in and colonialism despite the brutality is and colonialism despite the brutality is and colonialism despite the brutality is somehow also a little bit positive. somehow also a little bit positive. somehow also a little bit positive. >> All right. And to try to answer that, >> All right. And to try to answer that, >> All right. And to try to answer that, let me tell you what what what let's say let me tell you what what what let's say let me tell you what what what let's say Islam did. So we have we can kind of Islam did. So we have we can kind of Islam did. So we have we can kind of balance what we're talking about. So I balance what we're talking about. So I balance what we're talking about. So I told you before that is the conquest and told you before that is the conquest and told you before that is the conquest and Muslims enter Christian even territories Muslims enter Christian even territories Muslims enter Christian even territories and they conquer them until today. Okay, and they conquer them until today. Okay, and they conquer them until today. Okay, if you look at Spain and the Balkans and if you look at Spain and the Balkans and if you look at Spain and the Balkans and and they and they have their deep and they and they have their deep and they and they have their deep history, the Spaniards and the Balkans history, the Spaniards and the Balkans history, the Spaniards and the Balkans and they still have areas that have been and they still have areas that have been and they still have areas that have been so devastated just from warfare, okay, so devastated just from warfare, okay, so devastated just from warfare, okay, from with the Muslims and what was from with the Muslims and what was from with the Muslims and what was brought at the time. I mean literally if brought at the time. I mean literally if brought at the time. I mean literally if you look at the sources, it was in mass you look at the sources, it was in mass you look at the sources, it was in mass enslavement, okay? And we're talking enslavement, okay? And we're talking enslavement, okay? And we're talking about from the very beginning when let's about from the very beginning when let's about from the very beginning when let's say the 8th century when Muslims entered say the 8th century when Muslims entered say the 8th century when Muslims entered Spain until uh you know the Ottomans are Spain until uh you know the Ottomans are Spain until uh you know the Ottomans are finally become the you know the the the finally become the you know the the the finally become the you know the the the old man of Europe which is like in the old man of Europe which is like in the old man of Europe which is like in the 19th century. Okay you can look at that 19th century. Okay you can look at that 19th century. Okay you can look at that there's mill there's all this there's mill there's all this there's mill there's all this enslavement but there's not none of the enslavement but there's not none of the enslavement but there's not none of the countries in the European countries and countries in the European countries and countries in the European countries and they all you can go talk to Hungarians they all you can go talk to Hungarians they all you can go talk to Hungarians go talk to Romanians they tell you our go talk to Romanians they tell you our go talk to Romanians they tell you our land has been devastated and there was land has been devastated and there was land has been devastated and there was nothing brought here. Okay. and and not nothing brought here. Okay. and and not nothing brought here. Okay. and and not necessarily even because uh you know I necessarily even because uh you know I necessarily even because uh you know I mean yeah it was because the Muslims are mean yeah it was because the Muslims are mean yeah it was because the Muslims are not going to give the good stuff to not going to give the good stuff to not going to give the good stuff to their subject slave people all right but their subject slave people all right but their subject slave people all right but they didn't also have the technology at they didn't also have the technology at they didn't also have the technology at the time so now you're asking me why did the time so now you're asking me why did the time so now you're asking me why did the west end up having the great the west end up having the great the west end up having the great technology that's you know that's open technology that's you know that's open technology that's you know that's open to debate why they progressed but they to debate why they progressed but they to debate why they progressed but they had it and they brought it so it was had it and they brought it so it was had it and they brought it so it was actually called it was understood and actually called it was understood and actually called it was understood and and uh by Europeans as you're maybe and uh by Europeans as you're maybe and uh by Europeans as you're maybe you're familiar the white man's burden you're familiar the white man's burden you're familiar the white man's burden >> I've certainly heard the phrase Roger. >> I've certainly heard the phrase Roger. >> I've certainly heard the phrase Roger. Okay. Rogerard Kipling. He was uh well Okay. Rogerard Kipling. He was uh well Okay. Rogerard Kipling. He was uh well he was a writer and some clerk I think he was a writer and some clerk I think he was a writer and some clerk I think in India. This is during the colonial in India. This is during the colonial in India. This is during the colonial era. And you know the white man and I era. And you know the white man and I era. And you know the white man and I talk about triggering. But the white man talk about triggering. But the white man talk about triggering. But the white man saw his his his mission is to go and saw his his his mission is to go and saw his his his mission is to go and civilize the savages of Asia, the Muslim civilize the savages of Asia, the Muslim civilize the savages of Asia, the Muslim countries, Africa. Okay. So they went, countries, Africa. Okay. So they went, countries, Africa. Okay. So they went, they conquered, they colonized, but they they conquered, they colonized, but they they conquered, they colonized, but they saw it like look we're bringing them to saw it like look we're bringing them to saw it like look we're bringing them to this that and the other thing. Now this that and the other thing. Now this that and the other thing. Now here's the important point. Okay. That's here's the important point. Okay. That's here's the important point. Okay. That's the a lot of people say, "Well, that's the a lot of people say, "Well, that's the a lot of people say, "Well, that's the European narrative." Guess what? If the European narrative." Guess what? If the European narrative." Guess what? If I and I've read books and I've because I and I've read books and I've because I and I've read books and I've because I've researched this, if you look at, I've researched this, if you look at, I've researched this, if you look at, let's say, the 1800s, which is the high let's say, the 1800s, which is the high let's say, the 1800s, which is the high high moment of um colonialism, depending high moment of um colonialism, depending high moment of um colonialism, depending on the country, also in the early 1900s, on the country, also in the early 1900s, on the country, also in the early 1900s, if you look at the writings of the if you look at the writings of the if you look at the writings of the people living there in Egypt, which I people living there in Egypt, which I people living there in Egypt, which I have, they talk about this as the best have, they talk about this as the best have, they talk about this as the best time ever. Okay. time ever. Okay. time ever. Okay. >> Colonialism. >> Colonialism. >> Colonialism. >> Yes. Colonialism. Algeria just passed a >> Yes. Colonialism. Algeria just passed a >> Yes. Colonialism. Algeria just passed a law because Algeria law because Algeria law because Algeria >> this is written by people that were act >> this is written by people that were act >> this is written by people that were act I'm writing this sentence under I'm writing this sentence under I'm writing this sentence under colonialism. colonialism. colonialism. >> Yeah. This is the era they're living in >> Yeah. This is the era they're living in >> Yeah. This is the era they're living in and the way they talk and the way they and the way they talk and the way they and the way they talk and the way they describe things. This is the best time describe things. This is the best time describe things. This is the best time ever. ever. ever. >> Are they not worried that their writing >> Are they not worried that their writing >> Are they not worried that their writing is being monitored? is being monitored? is being monitored? >> No. Because everyone agreed with them. >> No. Because everyone agreed with them. >> No. Because everyone agreed with them. Okay. Outaturk. So the Ottoman Empire Okay. Outaturk. So the Ottoman Empire Okay. Outaturk. So the Ottoman Empire was the scourge of Europe for centuries. was the scourge of Europe for centuries. was the scourge of Europe for centuries. This is a historic fact. It was the This is a historic fact. It was the This is a historic fact. It was the jihadist standard bearer more than the jihadist standard bearer more than the jihadist standard bearer more than the Arabs historically. Once they start Arabs historically. Once they start Arabs historically. Once they start losing and Europe is now becoming losing and Europe is now becoming losing and Europe is now becoming stronger. stronger. stronger. >> So they're losing to Europe. >> So they're losing to Europe. >> So they're losing to Europe. >> Yeah. Losing to Europe, losing land, you >> Yeah. Losing to Europe, losing land, you >> Yeah. Losing to Europe, losing land, you know, just using losing the momentum and know, just using losing the momentum and know, just using losing the momentum and now Europe is stronger and moving in. now Europe is stronger and moving in. now Europe is stronger and moving in. Once that starts happening, you know Once that starts happening, you know Once that starts happening, you know what they do? They completely emulate what they do? They completely emulate what they do? They completely emulate the Europeans. the Europeans. the Europeans. >> They get Turkish used to be Ottoman >> They get Turkish used to be Ottoman >> They get Turkish used to be Ottoman Turkish was written with the Arabic Turkish was written with the Arabic Turkish was written with the Arabic script. They said, "Oh, that's script. They said, "Oh, that's script. They said, "Oh, that's backwards. We want to adopt the European backwards. We want to adopt the European backwards. We want to adopt the European alphabet. We shave they all shave their alphabet. We shave they all shave their alphabet. We shave they all shave their beards. They put on suits and ties. beards. They put on suits and ties. beards. They put on suits and ties. Women were dressed in western dress. No Women were dressed in western dress. No Women were dressed in western dress. No more hijab. Okay, that's not because more hijab. Okay, that's not because more hijab. Okay, that's not because Europeans forced them. This was because Europeans forced them. This was because Europeans forced them. This was because you were talking about confidence. It you were talking about confidence. It you were talking about confidence. It was because the European colonialists was because the European colonialists was because the European colonialists were very confident about their culture. were very confident about their culture. were very confident about their culture. The subject people saw the boons they The subject people saw the boons they The subject people saw the boons they were coming with and they were the were coming with and they were the were coming with and they were the winning dog. And guess what? We want to winning dog. And guess what? We want to winning dog. And guess what? We want to be like that. We want to copy that. If be like that. We want to copy that. If be like that. We want to copy that. If you look at pictures from these Middle you look at pictures from these Middle you look at pictures from these Middle Eastern nations, you will be amazed if Eastern nations, you will be amazed if Eastern nations, you will be amazed if you look at an 1920s picture compared to you look at an 1920s picture compared to you look at an 1920s picture compared to 2020. 1920s you'll think you're looking 2020. 1920s you'll think you're looking 2020. 1920s you'll think you're looking at Europe. at Europe. at Europe. in 2020 you're looking at you know 7th in 2020 you're looking at you know 7th in 2020 you're looking at you know 7th century Arabia is how it looks a lot of century Arabia is how it looks a lot of century Arabia is how it looks a lot of that was because there was a sort of that was because there was a sort of that was because there was a sort of symbiotic relationship between and which symbiotic relationship between and which symbiotic relationship between and which is still going on today and you have is still going on today and you have is still going on today and you have alluded to it but it's much worse today alluded to it but it's much worse today alluded to it but it's much worse today it's the opposite back then it was a it's the opposite back then it was a it's the opposite back then it was a confident Europe who is coming in and confident Europe who is coming in and confident Europe who is coming in and Muslims are now you Islam fell to the Muslims are now you Islam fell to the Muslims are now you Islam fell to the wayside and there's a theory that the re wayside and there's a theory that the re wayside and there's a theory that the re and I kind of touched on it the reason and I kind of touched on it the reason and I kind of touched on it the reason that Islam ever even mattered was that Islam ever even mattered was that Islam ever even mattered was because it was seen as the winning Of because it was seen as the winning Of because it was seen as the winning Of course, people sided with Muhammad once course, people sided with Muhammad once course, people sided with Muhammad once he started getting stronger and the more he started getting stronger and the more he started getting stronger and the more the conquest spread, the more people the conquest spread, the more people the conquest spread, the more people became Muslims and oh, you become richer became Muslims and oh, you become richer became Muslims and oh, you become richer and you have a piece of the plunder and and you have a piece of the plunder and and you have a piece of the plunder and etc, etc. Okay, so when Muslims started etc, etc. Okay, so when Muslims started etc, etc. Okay, so when Muslims started seeing, oh, you know what, Islam gets me seeing, oh, you know what, Islam gets me seeing, oh, you know what, Islam gets me nothing. I'm living in the desert. nothing. I'm living in the desert. nothing. I'm living in the desert. Whereas these people are progressing and Whereas these people are progressing and Whereas these people are progressing and they're bringing all this magic with they're bringing all this magic with they're bringing all this magic with them, science and technology and them, science and technology and them, science and technology and medicine. Oh, let's act like them. Okay, medicine. Oh, let's act like them. Okay, medicine. Oh, let's act like them. Okay, that's literally what happened. And I that's literally what happened. And I that's literally what happened. And I was just telling you there's an algeria was just telling you there's an algeria was just telling you there's an algeria just passed the law because actually if just passed the law because actually if just passed the law because actually if you're an Algerian and it's mostly this you're an Algerian and it's mostly this you're an Algerian and it's mostly this is geared towards older Algerians who is geared towards older Algerians who is geared towards older Algerians who live during the colonial era of under live during the colonial era of under live during the colonial era of under France if you speak well of it you can France if you speak well of it you can France if you speak well of it you can go to jail. Okay if you speak well of go to jail. Okay if you speak well of go to jail. Okay if you speak well of the French colonial era and I was the French colonial era and I was the French colonial era and I was telling you because a lot of people look telling you because a lot of people look telling you because a lot of people look back nostalgically back nostalgically back nostalgically >> older generations that was the good >> older generations that was the good >> older generations that was the good time. Okay. Now, what's happening today, time. Okay. Now, what's happening today, time. Okay. Now, what's happening today, which you've touched on, is the exact which you've touched on, is the exact which you've touched on, is the exact opposite. In as much as the West has opposite. In as much as the West has opposite. In as much as the West has started to lose faith in itself, lose started to lose faith in itself, lose started to lose faith in itself, lose its confidence and become, you know, its confidence and become, you know, its confidence and become, you know, like a doormat and tell everyone, "Oh, like a doormat and tell everyone, "Oh, like a doormat and tell everyone, "Oh, your culture is way better than ours." your culture is way better than ours." your culture is way better than ours." That Muslims are not impressed by that. That Muslims are not impressed by that. That Muslims are not impressed by that. That doesn't uh inspire them. That That doesn't uh inspire them. That That doesn't uh inspire them. That doesn't make them like you. That doesn't make them like you. That doesn't make them like you. That actually gives them nothing but actually gives them nothing but actually gives them nothing but contempt. And and they say, "Yeah, okay. contempt. And and they say, "Yeah, okay. contempt. And and they say, "Yeah, okay. Yeah, you're right. My culture is better Yeah, you're right. My culture is better Yeah, you're right. My culture is better than yours." And so and this all really than yours." And so and this all really than yours." And so and this all really coalesed with one man his name is seykut coalesed with one man his name is seykut coalesed with one man his name is seykut he was an Egyptian he was with the he was an Egyptian he was with the he was an Egyptian he was with the Muslim Brotherhood and um you know by Muslim Brotherhood and um you know by Muslim Brotherhood and um you know by all by all measures he was moderate if all by all measures he was moderate if all by all measures he was moderate if you want to use that term and then he you want to use that term and then he you want to use that term and then he came to the United States in the 50s and came to the United States in the 50s and came to the United States in the 50s and he spent time and he was just a ghast of he spent time and he was just a ghast of he spent time and he was just a ghast of what he saw what he considered immoral what he saw what he considered immoral what he saw what he considered immoral behavior especially that men and women behavior especially that men and women behavior especially that men and women were freely consorting. Long story were freely consorting. Long story were freely consorting. Long story short, he went back and he became a very short, he went back and he became a very short, he went back and he became a very popular writer and chief theoretician popular writer and chief theoretician popular writer and chief theoretician for the Brotherhood. And his conclusion for the Brotherhood. And his conclusion for the Brotherhood. And his conclusion was, "Okay, yeah, these people are good was, "Okay, yeah, these people are good was, "Okay, yeah, these people are good with science, technology, whatever. with science, technology, whatever. with science, technology, whatever. Let's appropriate and learn that, but we Let's appropriate and learn that, but we Let's appropriate and learn that, but we want nothing to do with our culture want nothing to do with our culture want nothing to do with our culture because it's just pathetic and it's just because it's just pathetic and it's just because it's just pathetic and it's just they're they're pathetic. This is they're they're pathetic. This is they're they're pathetic. This is they're just crazy. So, what well what they're just crazy. So, what well what they're just crazy. So, what well what culture is a Muslims going to fall back culture is a Muslims going to fall back culture is a Muslims going to fall back on then?" Well, Islam. So, there's on then?" Well, Islam. So, there's on then?" Well, Islam. So, there's definitely been that kind of response, definitely been that kind of response, definitely been that kind of response, but it's it's incomplete. It's the, you but it's it's incomplete. It's the, you but it's it's incomplete. It's the, you know, you're telling me about your know, you're telling me about your know, you're telling me about your viewers and this really reminds me of uh viewers and this really reminds me of uh viewers and this really reminds me of uh I I had a I did an interview with um me I I had a I did an interview with um me I I had a I did an interview with um me and Peter Beosian. and Peter Beosian. and Peter Beosian. >> Fantastic. >> Fantastic. >> Fantastic. >> Yeah. And a cameraman I think if you've >> Yeah. And a cameraman I think if you've >> Yeah. And a cameraman I think if you've seen it, seen it, seen it, >> I have >> I have >> I have >> was unhinged >> was unhinged >> was unhinged >> and everything he said I mean I'm just >> and everything he said I mean I'm just >> and everything he said I mean I'm just sorry but it's like you're wrong. You sorry but it's like you're wrong. You sorry but it's like you're wrong. You don't know your history. It just seems don't know your history. It just seems don't know your history. It just seems like people today the history they've like people today the history they've like people today the history they've been indoctrinated in in is white man been indoctrinated in in is white man been indoctrinated in in is white man bad, everyone good. white man evil bad, everyone good. white man evil bad, everyone good. white man evil everyone passive victim and I'm not here everyone passive victim and I'm not here everyone passive victim and I'm not here to exonerate white man I don't think of to exonerate white man I don't think of to exonerate white man I don't think of myself as a white man by the way okay so myself as a white man by the way okay so myself as a white man by the way okay so but whatever the white man did you know but whatever the white man did you know but whatever the white man did you know what the others guys did it too and in what the others guys did it too and in what the others guys did it too and in often in a much more graphic way and often in a much more graphic way and often in a much more graphic way and it's kind of like so where's the balance it's kind of like so where's the balance it's kind of like so where's the balance and his you know I even told him and his you know I even told him and his you know I even told him everything was like oh well colonialism everything was like oh well colonialism everything was like oh well colonialism did this well I'm like what about the did this well I'm like what about the did this well I'm like what about the thousand years of jihad and conquest and thousand years of jihad and conquest and thousand years of jihad and conquest and colonization that doesn't matter you're colonization that doesn't matter you're colonization that doesn't matter you're talking about the one century where talking about the one century where talking about the one century where actually Muslims liked it because they actually Muslims liked it because they actually Muslims liked it because they got so many benefits. That's the got so many benefits. That's the got so many benefits. That's the nightmare. So my point is there's a lot nightmare. So my point is there's a lot nightmare. So my point is there's a lot of people who have been really misled of people who have been really misled of people who have been really misled with history. You know, a lot of people with history. You know, a lot of people with history. You know, a lot of people we know of the concept of fake news, we know of the concept of fake news, we know of the concept of fake news, which I think is very dangerous because which I think is very dangerous because which I think is very dangerous because uh uh uh >> but as I always say, fake news is >> but as I always say, fake news is >> but as I always say, fake news is ephemeral. It creates its mischief and ephemeral. It creates its mischief and ephemeral. It creates its mischief and then dissipates. I find fake history then dissipates. I find fake history then dissipates. I find fake history much more problematic and very dangerous much more problematic and very dangerous much more problematic and very dangerous because it creates overarching because it creates overarching because it creates overarching narratives and paradigms and people see narratives and paradigms and people see narratives and paradigms and people see reality through it. And if it's fake, reality through it. And if it's fake, reality through it. And if it's fake, your everything's going to be just your everything's going to be just your everything's going to be just completely distorted in your mind. completely distorted in your mind. completely distorted in your mind. >> What are the beats of fake history that >> What are the beats of fake history that >> What are the beats of fake history that are relevant to this conversation? are relevant to this conversation? are relevant to this conversation? >> I'll give you I'll give you a very >> I'll give you I'll give you a very >> I'll give you I'll give you a very popular one, which is uh if I speak popular one, which is uh if I speak popular one, which is uh if I speak about slavery, that means white people about slavery, that means white people about slavery, that means white people enslaving blacks. enslaving blacks. enslaving blacks. >> Is that real? Yeah, that happened. Of >> Is that real? Yeah, that happened. Of >> Is that real? Yeah, that happened. Of course. Is it bad? Yes. But if you if course. Is it bad? Yes. But if you if course. Is it bad? Yes. But if you if you just think it's that's it, that's you just think it's that's it, that's you just think it's that's it, that's all that ever happened. Well, then white all that ever happened. Well, then white all that ever happened. Well, then white people are evil. And people say that I people are evil. And people say that I people are evil. And people say that I saw this uh she's a professor Bridget saw this uh she's a professor Bridget saw this uh she's a professor Bridget Cooper at Rudgers University, black Cooper at Rudgers University, black Cooper at Rudgers University, black woman. She literally says that you know woman. She literally says that you know woman. She literally says that you know like and the way she talks is as if like and the way she talks is as if like and the way she talks is as if nobody's enslaved anyone except white nobody's enslaved anyone except white nobody's enslaved anyone except white people. Okay, so that is a fake history. people. Okay, so that is a fake history. people. Okay, so that is a fake history. If you now understand that, yeah, whites If you now understand that, yeah, whites If you now understand that, yeah, whites did that. But blacks enslaved whites, did that. But blacks enslaved whites, did that. But blacks enslaved whites, blacks enslaved blacks, whites enslaved blacks enslaved blacks, whites enslaved blacks enslaved blacks, whites enslaved whites. Okay, and it's been a non-stop whites. Okay, and it's been a non-stop whites. Okay, and it's been a non-stop thing that has happened historic. thing that has happened historic. thing that has happened historic. Muslims enslaved everyone. Okay. And if Muslims enslaved everyone. Okay. And if Muslims enslaved everyone. Okay. And if anything, well, guess what? Who did anything, well, guess what? Who did anything, well, guess what? Who did abolish slavery? It was whites. At least abolish slavery? It was whites. At least abolish slavery? It was whites. At least they did that, okay? Around the world. they did that, okay? Around the world. they did that, okay? Around the world. So if you, so my point, you see, but if So if you, so my point, you see, but if So if you, so my point, you see, but if you if you jettison all that out and oh, you if you jettison all that out and oh, you if you jettison all that out and oh, it's only the white man who did slavery. it's only the white man who did slavery. it's only the white man who did slavery. That's going to poison your mind. And That's going to poison your mind. And That's going to poison your mind. And then you will believe in the woke then you will believe in the woke then you will believe in the woke theories. Uh kind of like, oh yeah, theories. Uh kind of like, oh yeah, theories. Uh kind of like, oh yeah, because you know, everyone's pro, every because you know, everyone's pro, every because you know, everyone's pro, every black person's problem in America is black person's problem in America is black person's problem in America is because of people are still racist. you because of people are still racist. you because of people are still racist. you know, you're going to believe that know, you're going to believe that know, you're going to believe that because if you believe that fake because if you believe that fake because if you believe that fake history, but if you understand in history, but if you understand in history, but if you understand in context, which is everyone did it, but context, which is everyone did it, but context, which is everyone did it, but at least we can say one group abolished at least we can say one group abolished at least we can say one group abolished it. So, it kind of changes how you may it. So, it kind of changes how you may it. So, it kind of changes how you may see the actual reality that's unfolding see the actual reality that's unfolding see the actual reality that's unfolding before us. before us. before us. >> And what is what is some of the framing >> And what is what is some of the framing >> And what is what is some of the framing that people would have about Muslims or that people would have about Muslims or that people would have about Muslims or Islam itself that are misleading that Islam itself that are misleading that Islam itself that are misleading that are giving them a different picture of are giving them a different picture of are giving them a different picture of what's happening right now versus what what's happening right now versus what what's happening right now versus what you believe is actually happening. you believe is actually happening. you believe is actually happening. Right. Right. Right. >> Right. Like so so for example the fake >> Right. Like so so for example the fake >> Right. Like so so for example the fake histories about Islam um those are so histories about Islam um those are so histories about Islam um those are so deep one I'll give you one I always deep one I'll give you one I always deep one I'll give you one I always quote this because it's very and it's quote this because it's very and it's quote this because it's very and it's been etched in my head um there's a a been etched in my head um there's a a been etched in my head um there's a a former professor um he wasn't mine but I former professor um he wasn't mine but I former professor um he wasn't mine but I used to see him at Georgetown University used to see him at Georgetown University used to see him at Georgetown University I used to attend there in the Middle I used to attend there in the Middle I used to attend there in the Middle Eastern programs and his name is John Eastern programs and his name is John Eastern programs and his name is John Espazito and in the early 2000s he was Espazito and in the early 2000s he was Espazito and in the early 2000s he was like the dawn I mean he was the editor like the dawn I mean he was the editor like the dawn I mean he was the editor of the Oxford history of Islam and the of the Oxford history of Islam and the of the Oxford history of Islam and the FBI and CIA and all the intelligence FBI and CIA and all the intelligence FBI and CIA and all the intelligence agencies would talk to him about agencies would talk to him about agencies would talk to him about terrorism and he has a line in one of terrorism and he has a line in one of terrorism and he has a line in one of his books. The book is called Islam, the his books. The book is called Islam, the his books. The book is called Islam, the straight path. And the line goes as straight path. And the line goes as straight path. And the line goes as follow. Five centuries of peaceful follow. Five centuries of peaceful follow. Five centuries of peaceful coexistence elapsed between Christians coexistence elapsed between Christians coexistence elapsed between Christians and Muslims until an imperial papal and Muslims until an imperial papal and Muslims until an imperial papal power play led to a series of holy wars power play led to a series of holy wars power play led to a series of holy wars which have left centuries of enduring which have left centuries of enduring which have left centuries of enduring mistrust. Which means from the dawn of mistrust. Which means from the dawn of mistrust. Which means from the dawn of Islam until the first crusade in 1095, Islam until the first crusade in 1095, Islam until the first crusade in 1095, peaceful coexistence until the first peaceful coexistence until the first peaceful coexistence until the first crusade and um now Muslims are upset. crusade and um now Muslims are upset. crusade and um now Muslims are upset. Okay, as I've alluded, those four or Okay, as I've alluded, those four or Okay, as I've alluded, those four or five centuries actually is when Muslims five centuries actually is when Muslims five centuries actually is when Muslims savagely conquered threequarters of the savagely conquered threequarters of the savagely conquered threequarters of the Christian world. Christian world. Christian world. >> All right. In one year alone in 109, >> All right. In one year alone in 109, >> All right. In one year alone in 109, okay, this is the same the same century okay, this is the same the same century okay, this is the same the same century of the first crusade later, one khif, of the first crusade later, one khif, of the first crusade later, one khif, according to Muslim sources, destroyed according to Muslim sources, destroyed according to Muslim sources, destroyed 30,000 churches. Yo. Yeah. Okay. So 30,000 churches. Yo. Yeah. Okay. So 30,000 churches. Yo. Yeah. Okay. So imagine this kind of fake history where imagine this kind of fake history where imagine this kind of fake history where you're telling people, "Oh, Muslims were you're telling people, "Oh, Muslims were you're telling people, "Oh, Muslims were great from the beginning and they were great from the beginning and they were great from the beginning and they were so nice to Christians until those evil so nice to Christians until those evil so nice to Christians until those evil crusaders decided to do that." That's a crusaders decided to do that." That's a crusaders decided to do that." That's a a primary, a premier example of fake a primary, a premier example of fake a primary, a premier example of fake history. And if I believe that, well, of history. And if I believe that, well, of history. And if I believe that, well, of course, I'm going to believe Muslims are course, I'm going to believe Muslims are course, I'm going to believe Muslims are still being abused by those stupid white still being abused by those stupid white still being abused by those stupid white Christian colonialist people, etc., etc. Christian colonialist people, etc., etc. Christian colonialist people, etc., etc. But if I understand the truth, actually But if I understand the truth, actually But if I understand the truth, actually it was Muslims who were the it's it's it was Muslims who were the it's it's it was Muslims who were the it's it's it's it's known the first crusade is a it's it's known the first crusade is a it's it's known the first crusade is a belated rebuttal to centuries of Islamic belated rebuttal to centuries of Islamic belated rebuttal to centuries of Islamic conquest. And in fact, in the cent in conquest. And in fact, in the cent in conquest. And in fact, in the cent in the decades before the first crusade, the decades before the first crusade, the decades before the first crusade, the atrocities had reached the new high, the atrocities had reached the new high, the atrocities had reached the new high, okay, of attacks on Christians and okay, of attacks on Christians and okay, of attacks on Christians and pilgrims and destroying churches. pilgrims and destroying churches. pilgrims and destroying churches. >> So you're saying that the crusades, at >> So you're saying that the crusades, at >> So you're saying that the crusades, at least the first one, was a direct least the first one, was a direct least the first one, was a direct response to aggression Yeah. on behalf response to aggression Yeah. on behalf response to aggression Yeah. on behalf of Muslims. That's what the That's what of Muslims. That's what the That's what of Muslims. That's what the That's what the sources make very clear. the sources make very clear. the sources make very clear. >> And what this was just part of the we >> And what this was just part of the we >> And what this was just part of the we have to wage jihad and so we're going to have to wage jihad and so we're going to have to wage jihad and so we're going to >> Yeah. Yeah. It was it was always bad of >> Yeah. Yeah. It was it was always bad of >> Yeah. Yeah. It was it was always bad of course under Christians had always been course under Christians had always been course under Christians had always been going to the holy land even after the going to the holy land even after the going to the holy land even after the Islamic conquest Islamic conquest Islamic conquest >> and depending on who was the leader you >> and depending on who was the leader you >> and depending on who was the leader you know at least they would expect tri know at least they would expect tri know at least they would expect tri extra money and taxes but if they were extra money and taxes but if they were extra money and taxes but if they were radicals or whatever there'd always be radicals or whatever there'd always be radicals or whatever there'd always be uprisings and even when pilgrims would uprisings and even when pilgrims would uprisings and even when pilgrims would get there they'd get killed raped a lot. get there they'd get killed raped a lot. get there they'd get killed raped a lot. >> Yeah. Were they going just to see the >> Yeah. Were they going just to see the >> Yeah. Were they going just to see the Holy Land and pay tribute? Like find the Holy Land and pay tribute? Like find the Holy Land and pay tribute? Like find the rock that Jesus came out from behind? rock that Jesus came out from behind? rock that Jesus came out from behind? >> Pilgrimage was a huge thing in Europe, >> Pilgrimage was a huge thing in Europe, >> Pilgrimage was a huge thing in Europe, >> but they weren't trying to take it over. >> but they weren't trying to take it over. >> but they weren't trying to take it over. >> No, no, no. Just pilgrimage to go >> No, no, no. Just pilgrimage to go >> No, no, no. Just pilgrimage to go worship at, you know, the holy sites. worship at, you know, the holy sites. worship at, you know, the holy sites. >> Okay. And so they basically now every >> Okay. And so they basically now every >> Okay. And so they basically now every time they go, there's some sort of time they go, there's some sort of time they go, there's some sort of ultraviolent agro. And ultraviolent agro. And ultraviolent agro. And >> the Turks, the Seljic Turks specifically >> the Turks, the Seljic Turks specifically >> the Turks, the Seljic Turks specifically had risen right around this time. And had risen right around this time. And had risen right around this time. And they were engaged in all sorts of just I they were engaged in all sorts of just I they were engaged in all sorts of just I mean horrific. I describe it in one of mean horrific. I describe it in one of mean horrific. I describe it in one of my chapters in sort of scimitar where my chapters in sort of scimitar where my chapters in sort of scimitar where they I mean in one city they burned a they I mean in one city they burned a they I mean in one city they burned a thousand. It was known as the church of thousand. It was known as the church of thousand. It was known as the church of it was a city of a thousand1 churches. it was a city of a thousand1 churches. it was a city of a thousand1 churches. They burn them all to the ground. It was They burn them all to the ground. It was They burn them all to the ground. It was an Armenian city. They would pull out an Armenian city. They would pull out an Armenian city. They would pull out the endrails of people. I mean rape the endrails of people. I mean rape the endrails of people. I mean rape women on the altars including nuns. All women on the altars including nuns. All women on the altars including nuns. All right. So that sort of thing. Um that's right. So that sort of thing. Um that's right. So that sort of thing. Um that's but h how many people know this if you but h how many people know this if you but h how many people know this if you hear the first crusade? No, the first hear the first crusade? No, the first hear the first crusade? No, the first crusade was a colonial racist venture. crusade was a colonial racist venture. crusade was a colonial racist venture. No, it was actually trying to red No, it was actually trying to red No, it was actually trying to red address all these wrongs and put an end address all these wrongs and put an end address all these wrongs and put an end to them. Okay, so this is what I mean. to them. Okay, so this is what I mean. to them. Okay, so this is what I mean. This it's this context is important. And This it's this context is important. And This it's this context is important. And if you don't have that, you have fake if you don't have that, you have fake if you don't have that, you have fake history which will feed into all of history which will feed into all of history which will feed into all of these ideas which is, oh, white man bad, these ideas which is, oh, white man bad, these ideas which is, oh, white man bad, Muslim innocent. But if you have at Muslim innocent. But if you have at Muslim innocent. But if you have at least some balance, you have the truth. least some balance, you have the truth. least some balance, you have the truth. Okay. Well, at least I mean it could Okay. Well, at least I mean it could Okay. Well, at least I mean it could still be whatever it is today, but at still be whatever it is today, but at still be whatever it is today, but at least you have um a solid an accurate least you have um a solid an accurate least you have um a solid an accurate foundation to understand it through. foundation to understand it through. foundation to understand it through. >> Okay. So, um, through all that history, >> Okay. So, um, through all that history, >> Okay. So, um, through all that history, and you've mentioned Spain a little bit, and you've mentioned Spain a little bit, and you've mentioned Spain a little bit, but it's probably worth walking us but it's probably worth walking us but it's probably worth walking us through that timeline. I think you said through that timeline. I think you said through that timeline. I think you said it went on for like 7 or 800 years. it went on for like 7 or 800 years. it went on for like 7 or 800 years. >> Um, walk us through that timeline. I >> Um, walk us through that timeline. I >> Um, walk us through that timeline. I want people to understand the pattern want people to understand the pattern want people to understand the pattern that you see emerging as you look at that you see emerging as you look at that you see emerging as you look at this because I think it will speak this because I think it will speak this because I think it will speak directly to what you see now and how directly to what you see now and how directly to what you see now and how people should interpret that. So as we people should interpret that. So as we people should interpret that. So as we take Muslim behavior over you know take Muslim behavior over you know take Muslim behavior over you know hundreds of years a thousand years uh I hundreds of years a thousand years uh I hundreds of years a thousand years uh I think you document up to 1,400 years in think you document up to 1,400 years in think you document up to 1,400 years in certainly in sword and scimitar certainly in sword and scimitar certainly in sword and scimitar >> um >> um >> um >> what pattern emerges >> what pattern emerges >> what pattern emerges >> the Spanish example is a good one >> the Spanish example is a good one >> the Spanish example is a good one because it's really a microcosm of because it's really a microcosm of because it's really a microcosm of everything we're talking about you can everything we're talking about you can everything we're talking about you can see that Spain was almost like um you see that Spain was almost like um you see that Spain was almost like um you know Europe but it was a perfect little know Europe but it was a perfect little know Europe but it was a perfect little it's a peninsula it's not little Islam it's a peninsula it's not little Islam it's a peninsula it's not little Islam invades in the year 71 11s that you're invades in the year 71 11s that you're invades in the year 71 11s that you're given and essentially conquers it except given and essentially conquers it except given and essentially conquers it except for a very small group of rebels who get for a very small group of rebels who get for a very small group of rebels who get holed up in these mountains in the holed up in these mountains in the holed up in these mountains in the northwestern quadrant of the peninsula northwestern quadrant of the peninsula northwestern quadrant of the peninsula and the Muslim sources say like yeah and the Muslim sources say like yeah and the Muslim sources say like yeah whatever they're like 10 people living whatever they're like 10 people living whatever they're like 10 people living on living in Iraq who cares slowly these on living in Iraq who cares slowly these on living in Iraq who cares slowly these and and the the rest of the Christians and and the the rest of the Christians and and the the rest of the Christians and there were Jews there as well had and there were Jews there as well had and there were Jews there as well had become subjugated by the Muslims at this become subjugated by the Muslims at this become subjugated by the Muslims at this point. Okay. So now they're they're point. Okay. So now they're they're point. Okay. So now they're they're paying the tribute dim. Exactly. paying the tribute dim. Exactly. paying the tribute dim. Exactly. Slowly and slowly, decade after decade, Slowly and slowly, decade after decade, Slowly and slowly, decade after decade, century after century, the Christians in century after century, the Christians in century after century, the Christians in the north starts coming down. And this the north starts coming down. And this the north starts coming down. And this is the reconista, is the reconista, is the reconista, >> the the main traditional uh you know, >> the the main traditional uh you know, >> the the main traditional uh you know, >> and this literally takes hundreds of >> and this literally takes hundreds of >> and this literally takes hundreds of years. years. years. >> Well, okay. So, the conquest is uh >> Well, okay. So, the conquest is uh >> Well, okay. So, the conquest is uh 7-Eleven 7-Eleven 7-Eleven and it doesn't end until 1492. and it doesn't end until 1492. and it doesn't end until 1492. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Okay. So uh uh this is this is how it >> Okay. So uh uh this is this is how it >> Okay. So uh uh this is this is how it starts and you can look at the map and starts and you can look at the map and starts and you can look at the map and you know the Christians slowly slowly you know the Christians slowly slowly you know the Christians slowly slowly keep coming and then there's keep coming and then there's keep coming and then there's vicissitudes Muslims win more land and vicissitudes Muslims win more land and vicissitudes Muslims win more land and Christians win more land and it keeps Christians win more land and it keeps Christians win more land and it keeps going on and on it's by and large it's going on and on it's by and large it's going on and on it's by and large it's almost over by the mid like 1250s but almost over by the mid like 1250s but almost over by the mid like 1250s but you have Granada in the very southern you have Granada in the very southern you have Granada in the very southern tip and that's still a Muslim kingdom tip and that's still a Muslim kingdom tip and that's still a Muslim kingdom until 1492. Um, and you know, okay, so until 1492. Um, and you know, okay, so until 1492. Um, and you know, okay, so when you look at that, it's funny to me when you look at that, it's funny to me when you look at that, it's funny to me because again, here we here we go with because again, here we here we go with because again, here we here we go with the fake histories, a lot of historians the fake histories, a lot of historians the fake histories, a lot of historians have tried to say, oh, actually, this have tried to say, oh, actually, this have tried to say, oh, actually, this was a great time of uh of cooperation. was a great time of uh of cooperation. was a great time of uh of cooperation. And, you know, you had Muslims, Jews, And, you know, you had Muslims, Jews, And, you know, you had Muslims, Jews, and Christians living in peace and in and Christians living in peace and in and Christians living in peace and in harmony. And here's the thing, okay, we harmony. And here's the thing, okay, we harmony. And here's the thing, okay, we just said this is centuries. If you look just said this is centuries. If you look just said this is centuries. If you look at it, they're basically talking about at it, they're basically talking about at it, they're basically talking about maybe a decade in those centuries where maybe a decade in those centuries where maybe a decade in those centuries where all it was is grand architecture and and all it was is grand architecture and and all it was is grand architecture and and yes and but in that context more yes and but in that context more yes and but in that context more progressive scientifically than the rest progressive scientifically than the rest progressive scientifically than the rest of dark age Europe. Okay. But it even in of dark age Europe. Okay. But it even in of dark age Europe. Okay. But it even in that you find inconvenient hiccups. So that you find inconvenient hiccups. So that you find inconvenient hiccups. So there's for example something called the there's for example something called the there's for example something called the martyrs of Cordoba and this is around I martyrs of Cordoba and this is around I martyrs of Cordoba and this is around I want to say 850. This would fall within want to say 850. This would fall within want to say 850. This would fall within the timeline of the golden age that the timeline of the golden age that the timeline of the golden age that supposedly, you know, the Christians and supposedly, you know, the Christians and supposedly, you know, the Christians and Jews and Muslims have. But the martyrs Jews and Muslims have. But the martyrs Jews and Muslims have. But the martyrs of Cordoba were basically Christians who of Cordoba were basically Christians who of Cordoba were basically Christians who had been dimm. And they had reached the had been dimm. And they had reached the had been dimm. And they had reached the point where they just got tired of even point where they just got tired of even point where they just got tired of even though they're paying their tribute and though they're paying their tribute and though they're paying their tribute and they can be Christians of being they can be Christians of being they can be Christians of being pressured because that was always an pressured because that was always an pressured because that was always an ongoing thing. It's an ongoing thing ongoing thing. It's an ongoing thing ongoing thing. It's an ongoing thing today, you know, where you're, you know, today, you know, where you're, you know, today, you know, where you're, you know, you're mocked for being a Christian for you're mocked for being a Christian for you're mocked for being a Christian for example. Um, and just and they got tired example. Um, and just and they got tired example. Um, and just and they got tired of it that they started just speaking up of it that they started just speaking up of it that they started just speaking up real loud and blaspheming essentially by real loud and blaspheming essentially by real loud and blaspheming essentially by saying your prophet is an is is a false saying your prophet is an is is a false saying your prophet is an is is a false prophet Muhammad. There's only one God, prophet Muhammad. There's only one God, prophet Muhammad. There's only one God, Jesus Christ, etc. And they were all Jesus Christ, etc. And they were all Jesus Christ, etc. And they were all something they're known as the martyrs something they're known as the martyrs something they're known as the martyrs of Toba. There's something like 50. They of Toba. There's something like 50. They of Toba. There's something like 50. They were all beheaded, boiled in oil, were all beheaded, boiled in oil, were all beheaded, boiled in oil, crucified, skinned alive, including crucified, skinned alive, including crucified, skinned alive, including women. Okay, so that's the golden age. women. Okay, so that's the golden age. women. Okay, so that's the golden age. >> All right, just to give you an idea. Um, >> All right, just to give you an idea. Um, >> All right, just to give you an idea. Um, outside of that was just pure carnage. outside of that was just pure carnage. outside of that was just pure carnage. Non-stop Christians, Muslims fighting Non-stop Christians, Muslims fighting Non-stop Christians, Muslims fighting back in the Christian mentality where back in the Christian mentality where back in the Christian mentality where it's reconista. It's we were it's reconista. It's we were it's reconista. It's we were reconquering our land because Muslims reconquering our land because Muslims reconquering our land because Muslims did conquer. It was a Christian did conquer. It was a Christian did conquer. It was a Christian territory when the Muslims invaded. Um, territory when the Muslims invaded. Um, territory when the Muslims invaded. Um, and that goes on and on and on. And then and that goes on and on and on. And then and that goes on and on and on. And then you have the the pivotal moment which I you have the the pivotal moment which I you have the the pivotal moment which I think I touched on is uh about Teaya. So think I touched on is uh about Teaya. So think I touched on is uh about Teaya. So this is actually a perfect example of this is actually a perfect example of this is actually a perfect example of the Teaya. Now you have Spain. The the the Teaya. Now you have Spain. The the the Teaya. Now you have Spain. The the Christians have conquered all of Spain Christians have conquered all of Spain Christians have conquered all of Spain or the Iber Iberian Peninsula. This of or the Iber Iberian Peninsula. This of or the Iber Iberian Peninsula. This of course includes Portugal. A lot of course includes Portugal. A lot of course includes Portugal. A lot of Portuguese people get upset when I just Portuguese people get upset when I just Portuguese people get upset when I just keep saying Spain. So uh you know Spain keep saying Spain. So uh you know Spain keep saying Spain. So uh you know Spain and Portugal and Portugal and Portugal and um now you have Islam is confined to and um now you have Islam is confined to and um now you have Islam is confined to Granada. It's something like half a Granada. It's something like half a Granada. It's something like half a million people. Initially the Spaniards, million people. Initially the Spaniards, million people. Initially the Spaniards, okay, they they after they conquered okay, they they after they conquered okay, they they after they conquered them in 1492, they said you can stay them in 1492, they said you can stay them in 1492, they said you can stay Muslim, you can practice Sharia, do your Muslim, you can practice Sharia, do your Muslim, you can practice Sharia, do your thing. This is the part people don't thing. This is the part people don't thing. This is the part people don't hear. And what happened is all of a hear. And what happened is all of a hear. And what happened is all of a sudden a lot of those Muslims were sudden a lot of those Muslims were sudden a lot of those Muslims were trying to subvert Spain back. They were trying to subvert Spain back. They were trying to subvert Spain back. They were helping the Barbrey Muslim pirates raid. helping the Barbrey Muslim pirates raid. helping the Barbrey Muslim pirates raid. They were trying to ally with the They were trying to ally with the They were trying to ally with the Ottoman Turks, fellow Muslims again. Ottoman Turks, fellow Muslims again. Ottoman Turks, fellow Muslims again. And before long, the Christians just And before long, the Christians just And before long, the Christians just finally understood, okay, your religion finally understood, okay, your religion finally understood, okay, your religion is inherently not is incompatible. So is inherently not is incompatible. So is inherently not is incompatible. So they said, sorry, you have two choices they said, sorry, you have two choices they said, sorry, you have two choices now. You either become a Christian or now. You either become a Christian or now. You either become a Christian or you leave. Go back to North Africa you leave. Go back to North Africa you leave. Go back to North Africa whence they had come in the 8th century. whence they had come in the 8th century. whence they had come in the 8th century. And now now here's the the common day And now now here's the the common day And now now here's the the common day rendering is this. First of all, no rendering is this. First of all, no rendering is this. First of all, no one's going to tell you that they were one's going to tell you that they were one's going to tell you that they were given freedom originally and that they given freedom originally and that they given freedom originally and that they were trying to subvert Spain back to were trying to subvert Spain back to were trying to subvert Spain back to Islam. Islam. Islam. >> And they're going to tell you just >> And they're going to tell you just >> And they're going to tell you just randomly Christians because they're randomly Christians because they're randomly Christians because they're crazy evil bigoted Catholics decided to crazy evil bigoted Catholics decided to crazy evil bigoted Catholics decided to they can't live in peace and they said they can't live in peace and they said they can't live in peace and they said Muslims you have to become Christians. Muslims you have to become Christians. Muslims you have to become Christians. Okay? No. It was done because in the Okay? No. It was done because in the Okay? No. It was done because in the context of the times it was understood context of the times it was understood context of the times it was understood that first of all there's no atheism in that first of all there's no atheism in that first of all there's no atheism in this period. You're you're going to be this period. You're you're going to be this period. You're you're going to be one religion or another. And if you're a one religion or another. And if you're a one religion or another. And if you're a Muslim and we already know they at this Muslim and we already know they at this Muslim and we already know they at this point they've translated they understand point they've translated they understand point they've translated they understand the Quran they're saying what I'm saying the Quran they're saying what I'm saying the Quran they're saying what I'm saying about these doctrines and so okay either about these doctrines and so okay either about these doctrines and so okay either you become like us in which case we you become like us in which case we you become like us in which case we assume you're going to stop hating and assume you're going to stop hating and assume you're going to stop hating and trying to kill us okay at least the trying to kill us okay at least the trying to kill us okay at least the you're the further you know your second you're the further you know your second you're the further you know your second generations and third or you leave so generations and third or you leave so generations and third or you leave so all of a sudden they all converted half all of a sudden they all converted half all of a sudden they all converted half a million okay and then later on we find a million okay and then later on we find a million okay and then later on we find out that they found they got fatwas okay out that they found they got fatwas okay out that they found they got fatwas okay fatwa is an Islamic decree from a jurist fatwa is an Islamic decree from a jurist fatwa is an Islamic decree from a jurist high ranked scholar and several of them high ranked scholar and several of them high ranked scholar and several of them and they said now you can do tea and tea and they said now you can do tea and tea and they said now you can do tea and tea is okay you can convert you can become is okay you can convert you can become is okay you can convert you can become Christians you can have the Eucharist Christians you can have the Eucharist Christians you can have the Eucharist you can go to mass you can do the whole you can go to mass you can do the whole you can go to mass you can do the whole nine yards but as long as in your heart nine yards but as long as in your heart nine yards but as long as in your heart you're still a Muslim and you're still you're still a Muslim and you're still you're still a Muslim and you're still trying to help Islam okay it's fine and trying to help Islam okay it's fine and trying to help Islam okay it's fine and they all converted okay and now why I they all converted okay and now why I they all converted okay and now why I find it amusing because if you look at find it amusing because if you look at find it amusing because if you look at the records as I have and I talk about a the records as I have and I talk about a the records as I have and I talk about a little bit in in Sword and Scimitar the little bit in in Sword and Scimitar the little bit in in Sword and Scimitar the Christians just couldn't believe it and Christians just couldn't believe it and Christians just couldn't believe it and there's one who's who's like these there's one who's who's like these there's one who's who's like these people it was for generations they acted people it was for generations they acted people it was for generations they acted like model Christians better than us the like model Christians better than us the like model Christians better than us the native Spaniards and Portuguese and then native Spaniards and Portuguese and then native Spaniards and Portuguese and then we found they would go to church and all we found they would go to church and all we found they would go to church and all that and then we'd find they were at that and then we'd find they were at that and then we'd find they were at home as I as I told you preaching jihad home as I as I told you preaching jihad home as I as I told you preaching jihad and teaching their children how they and teaching their children how they and teaching their children how they have to hate and etc and that's what have to hate and etc and that's what have to hate and etc and that's what gave rise to the Inquisition at least in gave rise to the Inquisition at least in gave rise to the Inquisition at least in Spain because you had all this huge mass Spain because you had all this huge mass Spain because you had all this huge mass and a lot of the Muslims were saying no and a lot of the Muslims were saying no and a lot of the Muslims were saying no no I'm a good Christian and some were no I'm a good Christian and some were no I'm a good Christian and some were and some were being busted for you know and some were being busted for you know and some were being busted for you know being Tea. That's what led to the being Tea. That's what led to the being Tea. That's what led to the Inquisition. I'm not necessarily Inquisition. I'm not necessarily Inquisition. I'm not necessarily justifying it. I'm just giving you an justifying it. I'm just giving you an justifying it. I'm just giving you an idea because the the Pontython kind of idea because the the Pontython kind of idea because the the Pontython kind of uh version, which unfortunately too many uh version, which unfortunately too many uh version, which unfortunately too many people believe, is oh no, they're just people believe, is oh no, they're just people believe, is oh no, they're just crazy evil uh Christians and Catholics, crazy evil uh Christians and Catholics, crazy evil uh Christians and Catholics, and they just don't believe in tolerance and they just don't believe in tolerance and they just don't believe in tolerance and religious freedom, and they decided and religious freedom, and they decided and religious freedom, and they decided we're going to torture everyone until we're going to torture everyone until we're going to torture everyone until they become Christian. No, as you can they become Christian. No, as you can they become Christian. No, as you can see, there's a deeper context. There's a see, there's a deeper context. There's a see, there's a deeper context. There's a deeper story to it. And then in the end, deeper story to it. And then in the end, deeper story to it. And then in the end, the Spaniard just said, "You know what? the Spaniard just said, "You know what? the Spaniard just said, "You know what? There we can't figure it out. this is There we can't figure it out. this is There we can't figure it out. this is too hard. Everyone has to go. And so too hard. Everyone has to go. And so too hard. Everyone has to go. And so they were all expelled. And now the they were all expelled. And now the they were all expelled. And now the irony is you find out today Spain just irony is you find out today Spain just irony is you find out today Spain just brought like a million migrants from brought like a million migrants from brought like a million migrants from Africa who just walked in and they just Africa who just walked in and they just Africa who just walked in and they just gave them free citizenship. Okay? And so gave them free citizenship. Okay? And so gave them free citizenship. Okay? And so so you know it's interesting because and so you know it's interesting because and so you know it's interesting because and a lot of those migrants you find that a lot of those migrants you find that a lot of those migrants you find that they engage in the same sorts of they engage in the same sorts of they engage in the same sorts of behavior. They have that at least that behavior. They have that at least that behavior. They have that at least that tribalistic they don't have to be tribalistic they don't have to be tribalistic they don't have to be sophisticated in theologically sophisticated in theologically sophisticated in theologically understood or learned in Islam. But that understood or learned in Islam. But that understood or learned in Islam. But that old tribalism is just there. It's human. old tribalism is just there. It's human. old tribalism is just there. It's human. Okay. And they go there and they pray on Okay. And they go there and they pray on Okay. And they go there and they pray on whatever and they destroy and they whatever and they destroy and they whatever and they destroy and they exploit the Somali, you know, here in exploit the Somali, you know, here in exploit the Somali, you know, here in Minnesota, that mentality. Okay. So, you Minnesota, that mentality. Okay. So, you Minnesota, that mentality. Okay. So, you know, someone So, the continuum know, someone So, the continuum know, someone So, the continuum continues with Islam. But the West has continues with Islam. But the West has continues with Islam. But the West has had a massive break and it just doesn't had a massive break and it just doesn't had a massive break and it just doesn't learn from its history and it's just learn from its history and it's just learn from its history and it's just repeating it and going out of its way. repeating it and going out of its way. repeating it and going out of its way. Which is why all these countries, which Which is why all these countries, which Which is why all these countries, which is why the West today, Europe is so much is why the West today, Europe is so much is why the West today, Europe is so much more powerful than Islam military, more powerful than Islam military, more powerful than Islam military, technologically, economically. I mean, technologically, economically. I mean, technologically, economically. I mean, it could it could destroy it. If if the it could it could destroy it. If if the it could it could destroy it. If if the West was uh governed by Genghaskhan, he West was uh governed by Genghaskhan, he West was uh governed by Genghaskhan, he could destroy Islam, right? could destroy Islam, right? could destroy Islam, right? >> Yeah. Physically, >> Yeah. Physically, >> Yeah. Physically, >> I would say given given what he was >> I would say given given what he was >> I would say given given what he was known for. known for. known for. >> And yet at no time and and and um and uh >> And yet at no time and and and um and uh >> And yet at no time and and and um and uh Europe for the longest time before the Europe for the longest time before the Europe for the longest time before the colonial era was the weak horse. Islam colonial era was the weak horse. Islam colonial era was the weak horse. Islam was this behemoth surrounding it. Okay, was this behemoth surrounding it. Okay, was this behemoth surrounding it. Okay, that's how it was understood. So it's that's how it was understood. So it's that's how it was understood. So it's ironic that those Europeans fought tooth ironic that those Europeans fought tooth ironic that those Europeans fought tooth and nail to preserve their way of life and nail to preserve their way of life and nail to preserve their way of life and today you have this sort of decadent and today you have this sort of decadent and today you have this sort of decadent west which is all powerful and it's just west which is all powerful and it's just west which is all powerful and it's just it's it's doing everything to kill it's it's doing everything to kill it's it's doing everything to kill itself and bring in people who don't itself and bring in people who don't itself and bring in people who don't share its values, don't share its share its values, don't share its share its values, don't share its worldview, are not assimilating openly worldview, are not assimilating openly worldview, are not assimilating openly so and um so so I guess that's the long so and um so so I guess that's the long so and um so so I guess that's the long version to answer your you know what's version to answer your you know what's version to answer your you know what's the warning. Okay, so we have this the warning. Okay, so we have this the warning. Okay, so we have this pattern that we see repeating through pattern that we see repeating through pattern that we see repeating through history. Uh we just had Spain let in. history. Uh we just had Spain let in. history. Uh we just had Spain let in. They originally claimed was 500,000.3 They originally claimed was 500,000.3 They originally claimed was 500,000.3 million or something like that. million or something like that. million or something like that. >> Wild wild number. >> Wild wild number. >> Wild wild number. >> Um okay. >> Um okay. >> Um okay. >> And the guy says so we can he I don't I >> And the guy says so we can he I don't I >> And the guy says so we can he I don't I forget the you know the phraseology but forget the you know the phraseology but forget the you know the phraseology but he was basically saying so you guys can he was basically saying so you guys can he was basically saying so you guys can become citizens and outvote the right. become citizens and outvote the right. become citizens and outvote the right. >> Yeah. like something to the effect that >> Yeah. like something to the effect that >> Yeah. like something to the effect that I want you guys to get the voting so you I want you guys to get the voting so you I want you guys to get the voting so you can vote for us and we can keep doing can vote for us and we can keep doing can vote for us and we can keep doing this and shut down the right. this and shut down the right. this and shut down the right. >> Yeah. Yeah. You'll uh you'll get to one >> Yeah. Yeah. You'll uh you'll get to one >> Yeah. Yeah. You'll uh you'll get to one of my can of worms. So, we'll set that of my can of worms. So, we'll set that of my can of worms. So, we'll set that aside for a second. Um what's going to aside for a second. Um what's going to aside for a second. Um what's going to be the consequence of this? How does be the consequence of this? How does be the consequence of this? How does this play out across Europe? I'm this play out across Europe? I'm this play out across Europe? I'm watching what's happening in the UK, watching what's happening in the UK, watching what's happening in the UK, which because my wife is British, I'm which because my wife is British, I'm which because my wife is British, I'm very very close to that problem. very very close to that problem. very very close to that problem. >> Uh obviously what Spain is doing is >> Uh obviously what Spain is doing is >> Uh obviously what Spain is doing is pretty wild. You look at Brussels and pretty wild. You look at Brussels and pretty wild. You look at Brussels and it's crazy. Uh and a lot of people will it's crazy. Uh and a lot of people will it's crazy. Uh and a lot of people will say it's not really that big of a say it's not really that big of a say it's not really that big of a number. I'm not sure what people are number. I'm not sure what people are number. I'm not sure what people are talking about. Um but as you sort of run talking about. Um but as you sort of run talking about. Um but as you sort of run the scenario to um bring up Peter the scenario to um bring up Peter the scenario to um bring up Peter Beosian again, Beosian again, Beosian again, >> he he is saying that um he believes that >> he he is saying that um he believes that >> he he is saying that um he believes that Europe is already dead. that from a Europe is already dead. that from a Europe is already dead. that from a demographic position it the certainty of demographic position it the certainty of demographic position it the certainty of their demise just from a what part of their demise just from a what part of their demise just from a what part of the population they make up in their own the population they make up in their own the population they make up in their own country is so already done that he with country is so already done that he with country is so already done that he with a straight face a straight face a straight face >> believes that they should negotiate >> believes that they should negotiate >> believes that they should negotiate basically a surrender I and I don't basically a surrender I and I don't basically a surrender I and I don't think I'm misrepresenting his position think I'm misrepresenting his position think I'm misrepresenting his position >> no you're not he's said that to me >> no you're not he's said that to me >> no you're not he's said that to me numerous times numerous times numerous times >> yes so um because he's saying like we'll >> yes so um because he's saying like we'll >> yes so um because he's saying like we'll get abused down the road as they take get abused down the road as they take get abused down the road as they take over the country so we might as well over the country so we might as well over the country so we might as well negotiate it now so we can basically negotiate it now so we can basically negotiate it now so we can basically limit the abuse that we'll face in the limit the abuse that we'll face in the limit the abuse that we'll face in the future. It's pretty wild. Like that's future. It's pretty wild. Like that's future. It's pretty wild. Like that's >> I always hope he's like playing devil's >> I always hope he's like playing devil's >> I always hope he's like playing devil's advocate. advocate. advocate. >> He does not seem to be though. It would >> He does not seem to be though. It would >> He does not seem to be though. It would be very interesting to get him on the be very interesting to get him on the be very interesting to get him on the show to have a similar walkthrough of show to have a similar walkthrough of show to have a similar walkthrough of his belief system that leads him to this his belief system that leads him to this his belief system that leads him to this conclusion. The thing that made the conclusion. The thing that made the conclusion. The thing that made the cameraman walk off was he said in cameraman walk off was he said in cameraman walk off was he said in reference I believe to UK, but certainly reference I believe to UK, but certainly reference I believe to UK, but certainly Western Europe, Western Europe, he said Western Europe, Western Europe, he said Western Europe, Western Europe, he said over and over and over, over and over and over, over and over and over, >> uh in Western Europe, >> uh in Western Europe, >> uh in Western Europe, >> if they can't find another solution, >> if they can't find another solution, >> if they can't find another solution, they have to start shooting people that they have to start shooting people that they have to start shooting people that come over the border illegally. He's come over the border illegally. He's come over the border illegally. He's very clear about that. This is about very clear about that. This is about very clear about that. This is about illegal immigration illegal immigration illegal immigration >> in Western Europe. I I believe I've >> in Western Europe. I I believe I've >> in Western Europe. I I believe I've accurately represented his statements. accurately represented his statements. accurately represented his statements. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh >> but that's pretty wild. So he obviously >> but that's pretty wild. So he obviously >> but that's pretty wild. So he obviously has a set of beliefs about what the has a set of beliefs about what the has a set of beliefs about what the second and third order consequences of second and third order consequences of second and third order consequences of this are going to be as they play out this are going to be as they play out this are going to be as they play out over time. over time. over time. >> Uh you chuckled here when I mentioned >> Uh you chuckled here when I mentioned >> Uh you chuckled here when I mentioned his belief. You seemed almost his belief. You seemed almost his belief. You seemed almost incredulous in a very kind way, but incredulous in a very kind way, but incredulous in a very kind way, but >> you seemed very shocked by what he was >> you seemed very shocked by what he was >> you seemed very shocked by what he was saying. So what's your take? Like what saying. So what's your take? Like what saying. So what's your take? Like what what happens to what happens to what happens to >> Spain? What happens to the UK as this >> Spain? What happens to the UK as this >> Spain? What happens to the UK as this plays out? plays out? plays out? >> I think one of the fundamental problems >> I think one of the fundamental problems >> I think one of the fundamental problems is uh Western people specifically are is uh Western people specifically are is uh Western people specifically are myopic and they just see the now and myopic and they just see the now and myopic and they just see the now and that's why they look at the now and it's that's why they look at the now and it's that's why they look at the now and it's like ah what's a big deal 5% 10% Muslims like ah what's a big deal 5% 10% Muslims like ah what's a big deal 5% 10% Muslims h we'll we'll figure it out later. And h we'll we'll figure it out later. And h we'll we'll figure it out later. And the thing is it's like a slippery slope the thing is it's like a slippery slope the thing is it's like a slippery slope because it keeps growing and growing and because it keeps growing and growing and because it keeps growing and growing and and and the more it grows for some and and the more it grows for some and and the more it grows for some reason it seems like uh you know their reason it seems like uh you know their reason it seems like uh you know their freedoms then the Brits for example freedoms then the Brits for example freedoms then the Brits for example starts eroding because they can't see starts eroding because they can't see starts eroding because they can't see and speak about what's happening. And so and speak about what's happening. And so and speak about what's happening. And so my point is I don't think it's too late my point is I don't think it's too late my point is I don't think it's too late and a lot of people think I do. Uh I and a lot of people think I do. Uh I and a lot of people think I do. Uh I don't but I think it's a lot harder than don't but I think it's a lot harder than don't but I think it's a lot harder than you think. Um it's not this isn't where you think. Um it's not this isn't where you think. Um it's not this isn't where oh I'm going to vote for this guy and oh I'm going to vote for this guy and oh I'm going to vote for this guy and now we're going to get it done. I think now we're going to get it done. I think now we're going to get it done. I think that's the problem. A lot of people pin that's the problem. A lot of people pin that's the problem. A lot of people pin pin all their hopes on one politician pin all their hopes on one politician pin all their hopes on one politician thinking, you know, this this guy's thinking, you know, this this guy's thinking, you know, this this guy's going to do a miracle. And the problem going to do a miracle. And the problem going to do a miracle. And the problem is the whole culture needs to change. is the whole culture needs to change. is the whole culture needs to change. It's a paradigm shift. It's a paradigm shift. It's a paradigm shift. >> Okay? If you want to actually make a >> Okay? If you want to actually make a >> Okay? If you want to actually make a change, it's not just you can't here's change, it's not just you can't here's change, it's not just you can't here's the thing. You can't be who you are the thing. You can't be who you are the thing. You can't be who you are today and just single out Islam and say today and just single out Islam and say today and just single out Islam and say bye. be the reason Islam is becoming a bye. be the reason Islam is becoming a bye. be the reason Islam is becoming a problem even though it's inherently weak problem even though it's inherently weak problem even though it's inherently weak more than ever and you're inherently more than ever and you're inherently more than ever and you're inherently strong is because of so many of the sort strong is because of so many of the sort strong is because of so many of the sort of philosophies that western the western of philosophies that western the western of philosophies that western the western ep epistemology has absorbed. Okay. And ep epistemology has absorbed. Okay. And ep epistemology has absorbed. Okay. And uh that's what's allowing this. So I uh that's what's allowing this. So I uh that's what's allowing this. So I believe it's going to take an actual believe it's going to take an actual believe it's going to take an actual serious par paradigm shift. It's not serious par paradigm shift. It's not serious par paradigm shift. It's not just oh we're going to create one one or just oh we're going to create one one or just oh we're going to create one one or two policies which will take care of it. two policies which will take care of it. two policies which will take care of it. I drew for example an analogy I drew for example an analogy I drew for example an analogy um you know Rupert Low um you know Rupert Low um you know Rupert Low >> and what he's saying and you know what >> and what he's saying and you know what >> and what he's saying and you know what he's saying how can I go against it I he's saying how can I go against it I he's saying how can I go against it I mean this is a man who cares about his mean this is a man who cares about his mean this is a man who cares about his country his people and he sees what's country his people and he sees what's country his people and he sees what's going on okay makes sense a lot of going on okay makes sense a lot of going on okay makes sense a lot of people like that people like that people like that >> but he and he's saying things like you >> but he and he's saying things like you >> but he and he's saying things like you know not only are we going to stop know not only are we going to stop know not only are we going to stop migration we're going to reverse it and migration we're going to reverse it and migration we're going to reverse it and if you don't like our way our life if you don't like our way our life if you don't like our way our life you're going to leave and I'm and a lot you're going to leave and I'm and a lot you're going to leave and I'm and a lot of people I've heard tell me things like of people I've heard tell me things like of people I've heard tell me things like yeah you know we you know we've we've yeah you know we you know we've we've yeah you know we you know we've we've had it with Islam we want them all out had it with Islam we want them all out had it with Islam we want them all out okay now Here's the thing. Stopping okay now Here's the thing. Stopping okay now Here's the thing. Stopping migration itself seems so hard for a lot migration itself seems so hard for a lot migration itself seems so hard for a lot of these countries. of these countries. of these countries. >> Just culturally there's not the will. >> Just culturally there's not the will. >> Just culturally there's not the will. >> Yeah. I mean, look at here the United >> Yeah. I mean, look at here the United >> Yeah. I mean, look at here the United States, okay? It's, you know, you can States, okay? It's, you know, you can States, okay? It's, you know, you can say what you want to say, but as I say what you want to say, but as I say what you want to say, but as I understand it, ICE is, and I haven't understand it, ICE is, and I haven't understand it, ICE is, and I haven't followed it, so maybe, you know, but my followed it, so maybe, you know, but my followed it, so maybe, you know, but my point is you're an illegal alien. You point is you're an illegal alien. You point is you're an illegal alien. You don't belong here. And it's supposedly, don't belong here. And it's supposedly, don't belong here. And it's supposedly, as I understand it, they're going after as I understand it, they're going after as I understand it, they're going after criminal elements. What is I mean that criminal elements. What is I mean that criminal elements. What is I mean that if you can't get behind that, you think if you can't get behind that, you think if you can't get behind that, you think you're going to get you think the UK, you're going to get you think the UK, you're going to get you think the UK, which is even more liberal than America, which is even more liberal than America, which is even more liberal than America, is going to get behind kicking Muslims is going to get behind kicking Muslims is going to get behind kicking Muslims out of their country who've been there out of their country who've been there out of their country who've been there for years. for years. for years. >> So that's what I'm trying to say. It's >> So that's what I'm trying to say. It's >> So that's what I'm trying to say. It's it's not as easy as you know people can it's not as easy as you know people can it's not as easy as you know people can talk the talk but actually implementing talk the talk but actually implementing talk the talk but actually implementing these policies and even if you stopped these policies and even if you stopped these policies and even if you stopped all the immigration uh these Muslim all the immigration uh these Muslim all the immigration uh these Muslim countries I've already told you for countries I've already told you for countries I've already told you for example Pew poll or a Pew report said example Pew poll or a Pew report said example Pew poll or a Pew report said that by 2050 Germany is about set to be that by 2050 Germany is about set to be that by 2050 Germany is about set to be 20% uh Muslim and that's if migration 20% uh Muslim and that's if migration 20% uh Muslim and that's if migration stops. stops. stops. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Which it hasn't. Okay. So I think that's >> Which it hasn't. Okay. So I think that's >> Which it hasn't. Okay. So I think that's what I mean by the myopia where again what I mean by the myopia where again what I mean by the myopia where again Muslims are lock step keeping with their Muslims are lock step keeping with their Muslims are lock step keeping with their the continuum of their history which you the continuum of their history which you the continuum of their history which you know sometimes you have massive know sometimes you have massive know sometimes you have massive takeovers um sometimes it's slow and I I takeovers um sometimes it's slow and I I takeovers um sometimes it's slow and I I think it's very important to understand think it's very important to understand think it's very important to understand something which might help you and your something which might help you and your something which might help you and your audience which is when I talk about audience which is when I talk about audience which is when I talk about Muslims the way I do I think you might Muslims the way I do I think you might Muslims the way I do I think you might it sounds like man you're really it sounds like man you're really it sounds like man you're really demonizing them and they're these evil demonizing them and they're these evil demonizing them and they're these evil people and it's you know that's that's people and it's you know that's that's people and it's you know that's that's not right. I mean, people are people. not right. I mean, people are people. not right. I mean, people are people. And the thing is, they don't see And the thing is, they don't see And the thing is, they don't see themselves as evil. And I'm not even themselves as evil. And I'm not even themselves as evil. And I'm not even saying they're evil. My point is, they saying they're evil. My point is, they saying they're evil. My point is, they always see themselves as the good guy. always see themselves as the good guy. always see themselves as the good guy. Even when they're doing the jihad and Even when they're doing the jihad and Even when they're doing the jihad and killing and lying because Islam is killing and lying because Islam is killing and lying because Islam is right. Islam is good. You people are right. Islam is good. You people are right. Islam is good. You people are pathetic infidels. Look at the way you pathetic infidels. Look at the way you pathetic infidels. Look at the way you live. live. live. >> It's what God wants >> It's what God wants >> It's what God wants >> and we are helping bring it in any which >> and we are helping bring it in any which >> and we are helping bring it in any which way we can. You know, the ends justify way we can. You know, the ends justify way we can. You know, the ends justify the means. In their mind, they're good. the means. In their mind, they're good. the means. In their mind, they're good. So, they're not demoralized in any way, So, they're not demoralized in any way, So, they're not demoralized in any way, shape, or form. You know, you were shape, or form. You know, you were shape, or form. You know, you were talking about sort of, you know, it's talking about sort of, you know, it's talking about sort of, you know, it's their time. Yeah. that's how they see it their time. Yeah. that's how they see it their time. Yeah. that's how they see it and uh they're doing what they're doing. and uh they're doing what they're doing. and uh they're doing what they're doing. Whereas the west is so utterly Whereas the west is so utterly Whereas the west is so utterly demoralized and uh you know so so demoralized and uh you know so so demoralized and uh you know so so defeist so just going out of its way defeist so just going out of its way defeist so just going out of its way essentially to make itself extinct by essentially to make itself extinct by essentially to make itself extinct by going out of its way I mean what kind of going out of its way I mean what kind of going out of its way I mean what kind of society you look at the UK for example society you look at the UK for example society you look at the UK for example allows Muslims to come in waving ISIS allows Muslims to come in waving ISIS allows Muslims to come in waving ISIS flags but then if you're an actual Brit flags but then if you're an actual Brit flags but then if you're an actual Brit waving I don't know a St. George flag. waving I don't know a St. George flag. waving I don't know a St. George flag. >> That's crazy, >> That's crazy, >> That's crazy, >> isn't it? Think of think about it. >> isn't it? Think of think about it. >> isn't it? Think of think about it. That's surreal to me. And that's the That's surreal to me. And that's the That's surreal to me. And that's the See, that's the problem. See, that's the problem. See, that's the problem. >> Sorry, I didn't even let you finish the >> Sorry, I didn't even let you finish the >> Sorry, I didn't even let you finish the sentence. You get in trouble for waving sentence. You get in trouble for waving sentence. You get in trouble for waving the British flag. That's wild. the British flag. That's wild. the British flag. That's wild. >> That is to me the problem. It's not the >> That is to me the problem. It's not the >> That is to me the problem. It's not the Muslims. I've I say this often, by the Muslims. I've I say this often, by the Muslims. I've I say this often, by the way. The Muslims aren't the issue way. The Muslims aren't the issue way. The Muslims aren't the issue because you know what? They're not because you know what? They're not because you know what? They're not coming with swords and spears like they coming with swords and spears like they coming with swords and spears like they used to and Europeans had to fight them. used to and Europeans had to fight them. used to and Europeans had to fight them. You people always say, "Oh, UK is being You people always say, "Oh, UK is being You people always say, "Oh, UK is being invaded." No, they're not being invaded. invaded." No, they're not being invaded. invaded." No, they're not being invaded. You're being they're being invited. You're being they're being invited. You're being they're being invited. you're inviting them. This is your you're inviting them. This is your you're inviting them. This is your problem. You're doing this to problem. You're doing this to problem. You're doing this to yourselves. And I think people need to yourselves. And I think people need to yourselves. And I think people need to understand that it's a much it's a much understand that it's a much it's a much understand that it's a much it's a much easier message and more comforting to easier message and more comforting to easier message and more comforting to just, oh, Muslims are evil and I hate just, oh, Muslims are evil and I hate just, oh, Muslims are evil and I hate them and whine about it. And it's more them and whine about it. And it's more them and whine about it. And it's more it's more, I think, um, you know, it's more, I think, um, you know, it's more, I think, um, you know, realistic to just be kind of like realistic to just be kind of like realistic to just be kind of like whatever you think about Islam. It's you whatever you think about Islam. It's you whatever you think about Islam. It's you guys who are doing this. You are the You guys who are doing this. You are the You guys who are doing this. You are the You can look at a country like Hungary or can look at a country like Hungary or can look at a country like Hungary or Poland. They don't put up with this. Poland. They don't put up with this. Poland. They don't put up with this. They put up little fences and they have They put up little fences and they have They put up little fences and they have no more problems. Okay? Then the Hungary no more problems. Okay? Then the Hungary no more problems. Okay? Then the Hungary and Poland are not a superpower compared and Poland are not a superpower compared and Poland are not a superpower compared to France and England, okay? Or the UK. to France and England, okay? Or the UK. to France and England, okay? Or the UK. So, uh, a I think a lot of people need So, uh, a I think a lot of people need So, uh, a I think a lot of people need to understand that it's it's it is a to understand that it's it's it is a to understand that it's it's it is a problem and it is getting worse and a problem and it is getting worse and a problem and it is getting worse and a lot of it has to do with you, not you lot of it has to do with you, not you lot of it has to do with you, not you per se, but you as a society, as a per se, but you as a society, as a per se, but you as a society, as a culture. The Muslims, like you're culture. The Muslims, like you're culture. The Muslims, like you're pointing out, yeah, it's my time. I'm pointing out, yeah, it's my time. I'm pointing out, yeah, it's my time. I'm doing I I believe in it. I'm bringing doing I I believe in it. I'm bringing doing I I believe in it. I'm bringing good stuff, you know, and and they're good stuff, you know, and and they're good stuff, you know, and and they're propelled by that. But it's kind of like propelled by that. But it's kind of like propelled by that. But it's kind of like if you don't have anything, if you have if you don't have anything, if you have if you don't have anything, if you have no cultural or any religion or heritage no cultural or any religion or heritage no cultural or any religion or heritage that you want to that you feel is behind that you want to that you feel is behind that you want to that you feel is behind your civilization, then yeah, you'll your civilization, then yeah, you'll your civilization, then yeah, you'll you'll just be like an open vacuum and you'll just be like an open vacuum and you'll just be like an open vacuum and something else is going to fill it. something else is going to fill it. something else is going to fill it. >> Okay. So, if we're in a position where >> Okay. So, if we're in a position where >> Okay. So, if we're in a position where you've got the UK is inviting people in, you've got the UK is inviting people in, you've got the UK is inviting people in, uh, we've got this historical pattern uh, we've got this historical pattern uh, we've got this historical pattern that repeats, we're worried about that that repeats, we're worried about that that repeats, we're worried about that historical pattern because it tends to historical pattern because it tends to historical pattern because it tends to be when we're weak, we're essentially be when we're weak, we're essentially be when we're weak, we're essentially tolerant, when we get strong, we then tolerant, when we get strong, we then tolerant, when we get strong, we then start forcing our religion on other start forcing our religion on other start forcing our religion on other people. Um, I get that. And let's say people. Um, I get that. And let's say people. Um, I get that. And let's say that it played out that way. if nothing that it played out that way. if nothing that it played out that way. if nothing was done about it, why instead of a was done about it, why instead of a was done about it, why instead of a Rupert Low and trying to reverse Rupert Low and trying to reverse Rupert Low and trying to reverse immigration and sending everybody back, immigration and sending everybody back, immigration and sending everybody back, why aren't we um really looking at the why aren't we um really looking at the why aren't we um really looking at the um community, the the Muslim community um community, the the Muslim community um community, the the Muslim community and saying, "You guys need an and saying, "You guys need an and saying, "You guys need an enlightenment." Now, I know Sam Harris enlightenment." Now, I know Sam Harris enlightenment." Now, I know Sam Harris had really, I think, tried to go down had really, I think, tried to go down had really, I think, tried to go down that road. That always resonated with that road. That always resonated with that road. That always resonated with me. Um, why can't Islam or maybe you me. Um, why can't Islam or maybe you me. Um, why can't Islam or maybe you think it can, but um, can Islam have an think it can, but um, can Islam have an think it can, but um, can Islam have an enlightenment and truly reform itself? enlightenment and truly reform itself? enlightenment and truly reform itself? >> Well, I I I mean I the way I'm hearing >> Well, I I I mean I the way I'm hearing >> Well, I I I mean I the way I'm hearing it is sort of ironic because it is sort of ironic because it is sort of ironic because you or Sam Harris, Muslims don't care you or Sam Harris, Muslims don't care you or Sam Harris, Muslims don't care what you think and for you to come tell what you think and for you to come tell what you think and for you to come tell them you need an enlightenment. You're them you need an enlightenment. You're them you need an enlightenment. You're you're the enemy. You're the de facto. you're the enemy. You're the de facto. you're the enemy. You're the de facto. Anyway, I already told you you're the Anyway, I already told you you're the Anyway, I already told you you're the infidel. So am I. So forget about us infidel. So am I. So forget about us infidel. So am I. So forget about us telling them anything about an telling them anything about an telling them anything about an enlightenment. Now if if it organically enlightenment. Now if if it organically enlightenment. Now if if it organically can develop from Muslims themselves can develop from Muslims themselves can develop from Muslims themselves that's that's where it would have to that's that's where it would have to that's that's where it would have to come of course. So basically um what I come of course. So basically um what I come of course. So basically um what I think is first of all when it comes to think is first of all when it comes to think is first of all when it comes to the word reform and here again we go the word reform and here again we go the word reform and here again we go this I think what's going on is um this I think what's going on is um this I think what's going on is um western projection you know they think western projection you know they think western projection you know they think of the reformation which of course is of the reformation which of course is of the reformation which of course is seen as a good thing because most seen as a good thing because most seen as a good thing because most westerners are protestants is um they westerners are protestants is um they westerners are protestants is um they okay so what was the reformation okay so what was the reformation okay so what was the reformation mechanically what happened technically mechanically what happened technically mechanically what happened technically what happened is you can say is there it what happened is you can say is there it what happened is you can say is there it goes around the idea of solos scriptorra goes around the idea of solos scriptorra goes around the idea of solos scriptorra right which is uh we're done with clergy right which is uh we're done with clergy right which is uh we're done with clergy Y and hierarchies and the church and you Y and hierarchies and the church and you Y and hierarchies and the church and you know popery as it was called and we're know popery as it was called and we're know popery as it was called and we're just going to go with the Bible. Okay. just going to go with the Bible. Okay. just going to go with the Bible. Okay. >> So it's me having a direct relationship >> So it's me having a direct relationship >> So it's me having a direct relationship with the Bible. with the Bible. with the Bible. >> Yeah. It's and and and that um and then >> Yeah. It's and and and that um and then >> Yeah. It's and and and that um and then when that happened okay well especially when that happened okay well especially when that happened okay well especially as you were saying and you look at the as you were saying and you look at the as you were saying and you look at the New Testament which for Christians of New Testament which for Christians of New Testament which for Christians of course is more important uh this is the course is more important uh this is the course is more important uh this is the actual meaning right you find a lot of actual meaning right you find a lot of actual meaning right you find a lot of you know positive passive you know positive passive you know positive passive um non-hatefilled etc etc. Okay. Now, um non-hatefilled etc etc. Okay. Now, um non-hatefilled etc etc. Okay. Now, the the interesting thing is, and I've the the interesting thing is, and I've the the interesting thing is, and I've said this before, something of something said this before, something of something said this before, something of something akin to that reformation is actually akin to that reformation is actually akin to that reformation is actually already happening in the Islamic world, already happening in the Islamic world, already happening in the Islamic world, but it's leading to almost a more but it's leading to almost a more but it's leading to almost a more radicalization radicalization radicalization >> because the texts are so different. So, >> because the texts are so different. So, >> because the texts are so different. So, I'll explain. Islam historically, most I'll explain. Islam historically, most I'll explain. Islam historically, most Muslims, like most Europeans, were Muslims, like most Europeans, were Muslims, like most Europeans, were illiterate. No one had owned the Quran. illiterate. No one had owned the Quran. illiterate. No one had owned the Quran. It was just the leaders who maybe could It was just the leaders who maybe could It was just the leaders who maybe could read it or actually mostly they would read it or actually mostly they would read it or actually mostly they would recite it. they memorized it by route recite it. they memorized it by route recite it. they memorized it by route >> and um so you know you had the I told >> and um so you know you had the I told >> and um so you know you had the I told you the scholars they were a major role you the scholars they were a major role you the scholars they were a major role of articulating Islam okay now when you of articulating Islam okay now when you of articulating Islam okay now when you move to the modern or like let's say now move to the modern or like let's say now move to the modern or like let's say now and for last century um the Quran and for last century um the Quran and for last century um the Quran Muslims are much more literate the Quran Muslims are much more literate the Quran Muslims are much more literate the Quran is now available it's being translated is now available it's being translated is now available it's being translated in many languages it's on the internet in many languages it's on the internet in many languages it's on the internet even more uh uh telling is the the even more uh uh telling is the the even more uh uh telling is the the entire corpus of the hadith which is entire corpus of the hadith which is entire corpus of the hadith which is massive. The hadith is the recordings of massive. The hadith is the recordings of massive. The hadith is the recordings of what Muhammad said and did what Muhammad said and did what Muhammad said and did >> which is part of Islamic law depending >> which is part of Islamic law depending >> which is part of Islamic law depending on. on. on. >> So we've got the writing and then we've >> So we've got the writing and then we've >> So we've got the writing and then we've got the speaking. got the speaking. got the speaking. >> It's all there at everyone's fingertip. >> It's all there at everyone's fingertip. >> It's all there at everyone's fingertip. Okay. So so it's almost like a you know Okay. So so it's almost like a you know Okay. So so it's almost like a you know the Protestant thing and that okay the the Protestant thing and that okay the the Protestant thing and that okay the Bible is now accessible. It's been Bible is now accessible. It's been Bible is now accessible. It's been translated. Um, but it's leading to more translated. Um, but it's leading to more translated. Um, but it's leading to more radicalization because when you if radicalization because when you if radicalization because when you if you're just your regular Muslim and you you're just your regular Muslim and you you're just your regular Muslim and you look at some of these texts and it says look at some of these texts and it says look at some of these texts and it says things like Muhammad saying, "Kill the things like Muhammad saying, "Kill the things like Muhammad saying, "Kill the apostate, kill the blasphemer, wage war apostate, kill the blasphemer, wage war apostate, kill the blasphemer, wage war on the Christian, subjugate them." That on the Christian, subjugate them." That on the Christian, subjugate them." That is prone to leading to more is prone to leading to more is prone to leading to more radicalization. Whereas historically, radicalization. Whereas historically, radicalization. Whereas historically, yeah, that was part of the corpus. But yeah, that was part of the corpus. But yeah, that was part of the corpus. But the scholars put it in a in a way. I the scholars put it in a in a way. I the scholars put it in a in a way. I mean the hostility was there and the war mean the hostility was there and the war mean the hostility was there and the war on the the infidel was part of it but it on the the infidel was part of it but it on the the infidel was part of it but it was a little more systematized and a was a little more systematized and a was a little more systematized and a little more pragmatic. Okay. Whereas now little more pragmatic. Okay. Whereas now little more pragmatic. Okay. Whereas now you have just and this is so to me the you have just and this is so to me the you have just and this is so to me the rise of radical Muslims as they're rise of radical Muslims as they're rise of radical Muslims as they're called. They are they are the the Muslim called. They are they are the the Muslim called. They are they are the the Muslim Protestants in the sense that they just Protestants in the sense that they just Protestants in the sense that they just don't listen to any particular cleric. don't listen to any particular cleric. don't listen to any particular cleric. They read and they access the text They read and they access the text They read and they access the text themselves themselves themselves >> and as it happen so how can we how can >> and as it happen so how can we how can >> and as it happen so how can we how can you have the same methodology which is you have the same methodology which is you have the same methodology which is people going solos scriptorra by to people going solos scriptorra by to people going solos scriptorra by to their text and yet one's religion comes their text and yet one's religion comes their text and yet one's religion comes out good and one comes out bad and this out good and one comes out bad and this out good and one comes out bad and this is hard for the relativistic mindset to is hard for the relativistic mindset to is hard for the relativistic mindset to understand but it's because the text understand but it's because the text understand but it's because the text starts very different the bottom line is starts very different the bottom line is starts very different the bottom line is forget about reformation in Islam now forget about reformation in Islam now forget about reformation in Islam now enlightenment that's possible but what enlightenment that's possible but what enlightenment that's possible but what an enlightenment to me what an an enlightenment to me what an an enlightenment to me what an enlightenment means is just kind of like enlightenment means is just kind of like enlightenment means is just kind of like uh all right we've lost faith in this uh all right we've lost faith in this uh all right we've lost faith in this religion, but we're just going to keep religion, but we're just going to keep religion, but we're just going to keep it as an outer trapping because it's it as an outer trapping because it's it as an outer trapping because it's part of our culture. part of our culture. part of our culture. >> And is that possible? Maybe. Sure. I >> And is that possible? Maybe. Sure. I >> And is that possible? Maybe. Sure. I mean, yeah. If if Muslims collectively mean, yeah. If if Muslims collectively mean, yeah. If if Muslims collectively can do that, um, I suppose, but I don't can do that, um, I suppose, but I don't can do that, um, I suppose, but I don't see that happening right now or at any see that happening right now or at any see that happening right now or at any time. And again, one of the reasons is time. And again, one of the reasons is time. And again, one of the reasons is because Muslims are pragmatic and when because Muslims are pragmatic and when because Muslims are pragmatic and when their religion is perceived as helping their religion is perceived as helping their religion is perceived as helping empower them, they like it. when it was empower them, they like it. when it was empower them, they like it. when it was seen during the colonial era as some seen during the colonial era as some seen during the colonial era as some backward relic there. I was watching a backward relic there. I was watching a backward relic there. I was watching a video for example of um Gamal Abdul video for example of um Gamal Abdul video for example of um Gamal Abdul Nasser the Egyptian president in the 50s Nasser the Egyptian president in the 50s Nasser the Egyptian president in the 50s and you know suit and tie like everyone and you know suit and tie like everyone and you know suit and tie like everyone else and he makes a in one video he it's else and he makes a in one video he it's else and he makes a in one video he it's in Arabic he he mocks the hijab you know in Arabic he he mocks the hijab you know in Arabic he he mocks the hijab you know the what women wear and everyone laughs the what women wear and everyone laughs the what women wear and everyone laughs about it you go to Egypt now every every about it you go to Egypt now every every about it you go to Egypt now every every woman is in a hijab so why was he and woman is in a hijab so why was he and woman is in a hijab so why was he and the Egyptians like that in the 50s and the Egyptians like that in the 50s and the Egyptians like that in the 50s and all throughout the early 20th century all throughout the early 20th century all throughout the early 20th century and in the late 19th 19th century it was and in the late 19th 19th century it was and in the late 19th 19th century it was because They were emulating the European because They were emulating the European because They were emulating the European colonial colonizers who were seen as the colonial colonizers who were seen as the colonial colonizers who were seen as the strong horse and hey we want to be like strong horse and hey we want to be like strong horse and hey we want to be like that. We want to have what they have. We that. We want to have what they have. We that. We want to have what they have. We want to when I told you about he's he's want to when I told you about he's he's want to when I told you about he's he's the he's the paradmatic example of the he's the paradmatic example of the he's the paradmatic example of Turkey, you know, he went from Turkey Turkey, you know, he went from Turkey Turkey, you know, he went from Turkey went from like I I was telling you went from like I I was telling you went from like I I was telling you really this the jihadist scourge of really this the jihadist scourge of really this the jihadist scourge of Europe to being the first Muslim country Europe to being the first Muslim country Europe to being the first Muslim country to get rid of it all and actually do to get rid of it all and actually do to get rid of it all and actually do everything possible to be westernized. everything possible to be westernized. everything possible to be westernized. Why? because it still had the same Why? because it still had the same Why? because it still had the same impetus of wanting to be powerful, but impetus of wanting to be powerful, but impetus of wanting to be powerful, but Islam had failed at this point. So now Islam had failed at this point. So now Islam had failed at this point. So now let's let's do what they're doing. But let's let's do what they're doing. But let's let's do what they're doing. But in as much as the West lost its in as much as the West lost its in as much as the West lost its confidence, and now all it has is just confidence, and now all it has is just confidence, and now all it has is just technology and and the material, technology and and the material, technology and and the material, so too has it pushed Muslims back, so too has it pushed Muslims back, so too has it pushed Muslims back, rightfully so, or at least logically so, rightfully so, or at least logically so, rightfully so, or at least logically so, to their own heritage. to their own heritage. to their own heritage. >> Yeah. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. >> Yeah. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. >> Yeah. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Now, spinning that off into something Now, spinning that off into something Now, spinning that off into something really tangible, really tangible, really tangible, um, have you ever thought about just the um, have you ever thought about just the um, have you ever thought about just the raw difference in outcomes that you're raw difference in outcomes that you're raw difference in outcomes that you're going to get if you tell people to going to get if you tell people to going to get if you tell people to emulate Jesus and if you tell them to emulate Jesus and if you tell them to emulate Jesus and if you tell them to emulate Muhammad who uh, if I remember emulate Muhammad who uh, if I remember emulate Muhammad who uh, if I remember correctly? Muhammad had a um, sword, a correctly? Muhammad had a um, sword, a correctly? Muhammad had a um, sword, a uh, what is it? A sitar. uh, what is it? A sitar. uh, what is it? A sitar. >> Scimitar. Yeah, >> Scimitar. Yeah, >> Scimitar. Yeah, >> scimitar that was named like splitter of >> scimitar that was named like splitter of >> scimitar that was named like splitter of vertebrae or something like that. Mhm. vertebrae or something like that. Mhm. vertebrae or something like that. Mhm. Good for you. Good for you. Good for you. >> When I was reading that, I was like, yo, >> When I was reading that, I was like, yo, >> When I was reading that, I was like, yo, like the So Jesus has like all this soft like the So Jesus has like all this soft like the So Jesus has like all this soft vibes like I'm here to be kind to vibes like I'm here to be kind to vibes like I'm here to be kind to prostitutes and tip over the money prostitutes and tip over the money prostitutes and tip over the money makers and help the poor people and wash makers and help the poor people and wash makers and help the poor people and wash feet and forgive the guy that betrayed feet and forgive the guy that betrayed feet and forgive the guy that betrayed me. And the other guy has a battle sword me. And the other guy has a battle sword me. And the other guy has a battle sword called the splitter of vertebrae. And called the splitter of vertebrae. And called the splitter of vertebrae. And it's like, damn, I get why some people it's like, damn, I get why some people it's like, damn, I get why some people might be like, well, hold on. That feels might be like, well, hold on. That feels might be like, well, hold on. That feels pretty dope. I've been looked down on. pretty dope. I've been looked down on. pretty dope. I've been looked down on. I'm low class, whatever. I want to rock I'm low class, whatever. I want to rock I'm low class, whatever. I want to rock with the guy that's got the splitter of with the guy that's got the splitter of with the guy that's got the splitter of vertebrae. vertebrae. vertebrae. >> And this is actually why this is a whole >> And this is actually why this is a whole >> And this is actually why this is a whole deep topic. This is actually part of deep topic. This is actually part of deep topic. This is actually part of this book. But this the Jesus, the way this book. But this the Jesus, the way this book. But this the Jesus, the way you characterize him, which is the way you characterize him, which is the way you characterize him, which is the way most Americans and Christians even most Americans and Christians even most Americans and Christians even characterize him, I I take some umbrage characterize him, I I take some umbrage characterize him, I I take some umbrage with that characterization. with that characterization. with that characterization. um in in not that you're wrong to say um in in not that you're wrong to say um in in not that you're wrong to say that of course Jesus is not Muhammad um that of course Jesus is not Muhammad um that of course Jesus is not Muhammad um but there is I think um if you will I but there is I think um if you will I but there is I think um if you will I don't want I don't know if I want a don't want I don't know if I want a don't want I don't know if I want a militant side even to Christianity not militant side even to Christianity not militant side even to Christianity not necessarily physical not war necessarily physical not war necessarily physical not war >> but assertive muscular Christianity >> but assertive muscular Christianity >> but assertive muscular Christianity which I'm a I'm a firm believer and a which I'm a I'm a firm believer and a which I'm a I'm a firm believer and a promoter of that's what this book was promoter of that's what this book was promoter of that's what this book was about the two swords of Christ um which about the two swords of Christ um which about the two swords of Christ um which is the military orders if you look at is the military orders if you look at is the military orders if you look at these guys and how they understood these guys and how they understood these guys and how they understood Christianity it will blow your mind and Christianity it will blow your mind and Christianity it will blow your mind and but they use the same Bible And they use but they use the same Bible And they use but they use the same Bible And they use the same verses. It's called two swords the same verses. It's called two swords the same verses. It's called two swords because for example Jesus said in one of because for example Jesus said in one of because for example Jesus said in one of the verses in in Luke he uh maybe you the verses in in Luke he uh maybe you the verses in in Luke he uh maybe you know it where he says uh if you don't know it where he says uh if you don't know it where he says uh if you don't have a sword sell your cloak and buy have a sword sell your cloak and buy have a sword sell your cloak and buy one. And the pro and the his disciples one. And the pro and the his disciples one. And the pro and the his disciples say Lord look here are two swords. They say Lord look here are two swords. They say Lord look here are two swords. They found two swords. He said that's enough. found two swords. He said that's enough. found two swords. He said that's enough. So to your modern day Christian who So to your modern day Christian who So to your modern day Christian who would go by the the description you gave would go by the the description you gave would go by the the description you gave of Christ. That means nothing. Okay. So of Christ. That means nothing. Okay. So of Christ. That means nothing. Okay. So today if you ask an interpreter what today if you ask an interpreter what today if you ask an interpreter what does that mean? Well it means nothing. does that mean? Well it means nothing. does that mean? Well it means nothing. he's just being parabolic or whatever. he's just being parabolic or whatever. he's just being parabolic or whatever. To the early Christians, especially To the early Christians, especially To the early Christians, especially medieval Christians, what he was saying medieval Christians, what he was saying medieval Christians, what he was saying is there are two com there's two enemies is there are two com there's two enemies is there are two com there's two enemies in this world. One, one is a spiritual in this world. One, one is a spiritual in this world. One, one is a spiritual enemy and you need a spiritual sword, enemy and you need a spiritual sword, enemy and you need a spiritual sword, which modern day Christians I think which modern day Christians I think which modern day Christians I think would agree. The other one was was a would agree. The other one was was a would agree. The other one was was a secular material enemy and you need a secular material enemy and you need a secular material enemy and you need a secular sword. Okay, which would be for secular sword. Okay, which would be for secular sword. Okay, which would be for example um the military arm of a example um the military arm of a example um the military arm of a society. And that's how actually it was society. And that's how actually it was society. And that's how actually it was understood. So my point is, and I'm understood. So my point is, and I'm understood. So my point is, and I'm going to I want to tie this to Islam going to I want to tie this to Islam going to I want to tie this to Islam because that's what we're talking about because that's what we're talking about because that's what we're talking about and what you just said, but my point is and what you just said, but my point is and what you just said, but my point is in many ways, Christianity has been in many ways, Christianity has been in many ways, Christianity has been emasculated and epheminized from what it emasculated and epheminized from what it emasculated and epheminized from what it was. It wasn't always like this. People was. It wasn't always like this. People was. It wasn't always like this. People want to think that, you know, there want to think that, you know, there want to think that, you know, there there's a reason crusaders could have there's a reason crusaders could have there's a reason crusaders could have existed and could have been so ferocious existed and could have been so ferocious existed and could have been so ferocious and violent and yet be more pious, and violent and yet be more pious, and violent and yet be more pious, believe it or not, they were dying for believe it or not, they were dying for believe it or not, they were dying for their faith than people today. And so their faith than people today. And so their faith than people today. And so now let's let's go back to what you're now let's let's go back to what you're now let's let's go back to what you're saying where, you know, I can see why a saying where, you know, I can see why a saying where, you know, I can see why a person would find the Muhammad vertebrae person would find the Muhammad vertebrae person would find the Muhammad vertebrae sword kind of appealing as opposed to I sword kind of appealing as opposed to I sword kind of appealing as opposed to I call it doormat Christianity. This idea call it doormat Christianity. This idea call it doormat Christianity. This idea that, you know, Christianity is just I'm that, you know, Christianity is just I'm that, you know, Christianity is just I'm your doormat. Come wipe your feet on me your doormat. Come wipe your feet on me your doormat. Come wipe your feet on me and I'm I'll do nothing. And a lot of and I'm I'll do nothing. And a lot of and I'm I'll do nothing. And a lot of Western men are either not are losing Western men are either not are losing Western men are either not are losing their Christianity and even some are their Christianity and even some are their Christianity and even some are converting to Islam because they find converting to Islam because they find converting to Islam because they find that sort of militant, muscular, that sort of militant, muscular, that sort of militant, muscular, masculine side appealing. So I do so on masculine side appealing. So I do so on masculine side appealing. So I do so on the one hand what I'm trying to say is the one hand what I'm trying to say is the one hand what I'm trying to say is there is that problem going on today in there is that problem going on today in there is that problem going on today in western nations in how Christianity is western nations in how Christianity is western nations in how Christianity is understood and I'm not trying to say understood and I'm not trying to say understood and I'm not trying to say Christianity has jihad and no but there Christianity has jihad and no but there Christianity has jihad and no but there is just war okay that was something that is just war okay that was something that is just war okay that was something that was always a long long time ago was always a long long time ago was always a long long time ago articulated no one had problems with it articulated no one had problems with it articulated no one had problems with it but today it seems to me a lot of modern but today it seems to me a lot of modern but today it seems to me a lot of modern Christians and just western people in Christians and just western people in Christians and just western people in general don't believe that you can't be general don't believe that you can't be general don't believe that you can't be in any way shape or form violent ever in any way shape or form violent ever in any way shape or form violent ever that was not at all the way they that was not at all the way they that was not at all the way they understood it and in as much as understood it and in as much as understood it and in as much as westerners and Christians feel that It's westerners and Christians feel that It's westerners and Christians feel that It's only natural a lot of men are just only natural a lot of men are just only natural a lot of men are just dropping out of Christianity and it's dropping out of Christianity and it's dropping out of Christianity and it's even more natural that a lot of them you even more natural that a lot of them you even more natural that a lot of them you know the Andrew Tate phenomena where you know the Andrew Tate phenomena where you know the Andrew Tate phenomena where you know they're gravitating towards Islam know they're gravitating towards Islam know they're gravitating towards Islam because it's seen as a patriarchal kind because it's seen as a patriarchal kind because it's seen as a patriarchal kind of masculine religion. So it's kind of of masculine religion. So it's kind of of masculine religion. So it's kind of unfortunate because Christianity had unfortunate because Christianity had unfortunate because Christianity had that's what chivalry was. Chivalry was that's what chivalry was. Chivalry was that's what chivalry was. Chivalry was yeah masculinity is there but we're yeah masculinity is there but we're yeah masculinity is there but we're going to tame it and use it for going to tame it and use it for going to tame it and use it for righteous causes. But without it, you righteous causes. But without it, you righteous causes. But without it, you know, things go willy-nilly and you can know, things go willy-nilly and you can know, things go willy-nilly and you can end up with a really toxic kind of end up with a really toxic kind of end up with a really toxic kind of masculinity. masculinity. masculinity. >> Now, do you think that Western culture >> Now, do you think that Western culture >> Now, do you think that Western culture at large needs to draw a line? uh find at large needs to draw a line? uh find at large needs to draw a line? uh find that more masculine version of itself to that more masculine version of itself to that more masculine version of itself to have a new reformation where we begin have a new reformation where we begin have a new reformation where we begin reinterpreting some of the verses in a reinterpreting some of the verses in a reinterpreting some of the verses in a way that that say basically be strong, way that that say basically be strong, way that that say basically be strong, be able to wield the sword but keep it be able to wield the sword but keep it be able to wield the sword but keep it sheathed so that we can draw a line and sheathed so that we can draw a line and sheathed so that we can draw a line and say listen this is our culture and leave say listen this is our culture and leave say listen this is our culture and leave it alone. it alone. it alone. >> And I but I wouldn't call it >> And I but I wouldn't call it >> And I but I wouldn't call it reinterpreting. I would I would say it reinterpreting. I would I would say it reinterpreting. I would I would say it would be reclaiming. I mean that is the would be reclaiming. I mean that is the would be reclaiming. I mean that is the historic past of Christianity. So it's historic past of Christianity. So it's historic past of Christianity. So it's not new. It's it's just been forgotten not new. It's it's just been forgotten not new. It's it's just been forgotten and jettisoned, demonized perhaps. Um and jettisoned, demonized perhaps. Um and jettisoned, demonized perhaps. Um but yeah, it's good because it's it's but yeah, it's good because it's it's but yeah, it's good because it's it's used solely for defense. You know, no used solely for defense. You know, no used solely for defense. You know, no Christian I'm not saying Christianity Christian I'm not saying Christianity Christian I'm not saying Christianity should go on the offense, but yeah, you should go on the offense, but yeah, you should go on the offense, but yeah, you defend your world, your civilization, defend your world, your civilization, defend your world, your civilization, your people, your family. Okay? And you your people, your family. Okay? And you your people, your family. Okay? And you know, this goes back to illegals jumping know, this goes back to illegals jumping know, this goes back to illegals jumping over, you know, uh fences and whatever. over, you know, uh fences and whatever. over, you know, uh fences and whatever. um Christianity, there's a reason most um Christianity, there's a reason most um Christianity, there's a reason most Christian nations up until now in the Christian nations up until now in the Christian nations up until now in the United States would agree capital United States would agree capital United States would agree capital punishment. So I think the idea of the punishment. So I think the idea of the punishment. So I think the idea of the problem is just too many people have um problem is just too many people have um problem is just too many people have um just have come to believe that just have come to believe that just have come to believe that Christianity begins and ends with Christianity begins and ends with Christianity begins and ends with literally being a doormat and that literally being a doormat and that literally being a doormat and that actually feeds into these problems that actually feeds into these problems that actually feeds into these problems that we're talking about. Even if you're not we're talking about. Even if you're not we're talking about. Even if you're not Christian, the bottom line is if you're Christian, the bottom line is if you're Christian, the bottom line is if you're not Christian, if you're an atheist, if not Christian, if you're an atheist, if not Christian, if you're an atheist, if you're born and you kind of hinted at you're born and you kind of hinted at you're born and you kind of hinted at this, if you're born and raised in this this, if you're born and raised in this this, if you're born and raised in this western mulu, you're going to be you are western mulu, you're going to be you are western mulu, you're going to be you are a Christian despite yourself. Forget a Christian despite yourself. Forget a Christian despite yourself. Forget about the theology. Forget about the about the theology. Forget about the about the theology. Forget about the veneer and saying I believe in Jesus and veneer and saying I believe in Jesus and veneer and saying I believe in Jesus and that sort of thing. You are made and that sort of thing. You are made and that sort of thing. You are made and forged by centuries of Christianity. And forged by centuries of Christianity. And forged by centuries of Christianity. And to me, that's that's the more solid to me, that's that's the more solid to me, that's that's the more solid thing that we're really talking about. thing that we're really talking about. thing that we're really talking about. And when people don't realize that and And when people don't realize that and And when people don't realize that and they say no no no like secular western they say no no no like secular western they say no no no like secular western Europe is is uh has nothing to do with Europe is is uh has nothing to do with Europe is is uh has nothing to do with Christianity everything all the all the Christianity everything all the all the Christianity everything all the all the things that atheists and secularists things that atheists and secularists things that atheists and secularists prize is inconceivable without prize is inconceivable without prize is inconceivable without Christianity why why did it come from Christianity why why did it come from Christianity why why did it come from Europe humanism you know the the Europe humanism you know the the Europe humanism you know the the everything we talking about tolerance everything we talking about tolerance everything we talking about tolerance and mercy that didn't come from and mercy that didn't come from and mercy that didn't come from Confucious China didn't come from Islam Confucious China didn't come from Islam Confucious China didn't come from Islam didn't come from Hinduism okay there's a didn't come from Hinduism okay there's a didn't come from Hinduism okay there's a reason it happened in Europe and it's reason it happened in Europe and it's reason it happened in Europe and it's not people again the fake history is not people again the fake history is not people again the fake history is like it rose um it rose in Europe in like it rose um it rose in Europe in like it rose um it rose in Europe in defiance or against Christianity. No, it defiance or against Christianity. No, it defiance or against Christianity. No, it actually Christianity was the seeds actually Christianity was the seeds actually Christianity was the seeds because if it was it was a matter of because if it was it was a matter of because if it was it was a matter of defiance, well, it could have risen in defiance, well, it could have risen in defiance, well, it could have risen in the Middle East against defiance against the Middle East against defiance against the Middle East against defiance against Islam. It could have risen anywhere. So, Islam. It could have risen anywhere. So, Islam. It could have risen anywhere. So, I think people need to understand that I I think people need to understand that I I think people need to understand that I personally am not very much interested personally am not very much interested personally am not very much interested in going and telling people what to in going and telling people what to in going and telling people what to believe the theologically. But I do believe the theologically. But I do believe the theologically. But I do believe Christianity as a civilizational believe Christianity as a civilizational believe Christianity as a civilizational cultural force is something not to be cultural force is something not to be cultural force is something not to be ignored and and just discarded because ignored and and just discarded because ignored and and just discarded because without you knowing it um it is really without you knowing it um it is really without you knowing it um it is really the bedrock of everything we all like the bedrock of everything we all like the bedrock of everything we all like and we all love and we want to preserve. and we all love and we want to preserve. and we all love and we want to preserve. >> All right. all the stuff that we've >> All right. all the stuff that we've >> All right. all the stuff that we've talked about today, how much of your talked about today, how much of your talked about today, how much of your interpretation of what is happening, interpretation of what is happening, interpretation of what is happening, what should happen in the future is what should happen in the future is what should happen in the future is predicated on your belief that predicated on your belief that predicated on your belief that Christianity is the word of God and Christianity is the word of God and Christianity is the word of God and ought to be the way that somebody lives. ought to be the way that somebody lives. ought to be the way that somebody lives. >> I'll tell you this that a lot of people >> I'll tell you this that a lot of people >> I'll tell you this that a lot of people think I'm I'm like a hardcore Christian. think I'm I'm like a hardcore Christian. think I'm I'm like a hardcore Christian. I'm really not. And it's probably I'm really not. And it's probably I'm really not. And it's probably because I write these books which deal because I write these books which deal because I write these books which deal with Christianity. I see myself more as with Christianity. I see myself more as with Christianity. I see myself more as a civilizational Christian. Okay? not a civilizational Christian. Okay? not a civilizational Christian. Okay? not the not the spiritual Christian. This the not the spiritual Christian. This the not the spiritual Christian. This doesn't mean I don't have a spiritual doesn't mean I don't have a spiritual doesn't mean I don't have a spiritual life. I'm just saying that to me is um life. I'm just saying that to me is um life. I'm just saying that to me is um more important. But what I'll tell you more important. But what I'll tell you more important. But what I'll tell you is this that with me, if anything is this that with me, if anything is this that with me, if anything brought me back to religion, it's my brought me back to religion, it's my brought me back to religion, it's my objective study of history and what I'm objective study of history and what I'm objective study of history and what I'm seeing around us today. They are seeing around us today. They are seeing around us today. They are actually constantly validating the actually constantly validating the actually constantly validating the truths of Christianity. It's not vice truths of Christianity. It's not vice truths of Christianity. It's not vice versa. I think most people approach it versa. I think most people approach it versa. I think most people approach it differently. They read the Bible, they differently. They read the Bible, they differently. They read the Bible, they memorize verses or or theological memorize verses or or theological memorize verses or or theological doctrines and they project it and what's doctrines and they project it and what's doctrines and they project it and what's happening. I'm the opposite. I looked at happening. I'm the opposite. I looked at happening. I'm the opposite. I looked at it secularly. Okay. And I accepted it it secularly. Okay. And I accepted it it secularly. Okay. And I accepted it like that. But then the more I look at like that. But then the more I look at like that. But then the more I look at it, the more it keeps converging and it, the more it keeps converging and it, the more it keeps converging and coming back to these issues about coming back to these issues about coming back to these issues about Christianity. Christianity. Christianity. Um I'll tell I'll give you I'll leave Um I'll tell I'll give you I'll leave Um I'll tell I'll give you I'll leave you with a final anecdote which is going you with a final anecdote which is going you with a final anecdote which is going to amuse you. Okay. So in my field um to amuse you. Okay. So in my field um to amuse you. Okay. So in my field um again to show you how some of these again to show you how some of these again to show you how some of these things that seem laughable you know things that seem laughable you know things that seem laughable you know these Christian teachings or ideas that these Christian teachings or ideas that these Christian teachings or ideas that are superstitious and how they come back are superstitious and how they come back are superstitious and how they come back to haunt us. So in the 7th century we to haunt us. So in the 7th century we to haunt us. So in the 7th century we talked about the Arab conquest of um talked about the Arab conquest of um talked about the Arab conquest of um Christian lands and amongst historians Christian lands and amongst historians Christian lands and amongst historians today until now it's seen as one of the today until now it's seen as one of the today until now it's seen as one of the great mysteries of history because at great mysteries of history because at great mysteries of history because at the time the Arabs 7th century they are the time the Arabs 7th century they are the time the Arabs 7th century they are just an impoverished they're described just an impoverished they're described just an impoverished they're described even in their own sources as you know even in their own sources as you know even in their own sources as you know half naked no weapons you know just no half naked no weapons you know just no half naked no weapons you know just no sophistication whatsoever and then you sophistication whatsoever and then you sophistication whatsoever and then you have the Roman Empire which we call the have the Roman Empire which we call the have the Roman Empire which we call the Byzantine Empire which is still very Byzantine Empire which is still very Byzantine Empire which is still very powerful and you have um this which is a powerful and you have um this which is a powerful and you have um this which is a superpower in the 7th century and then superpower in the 7th century and then superpower in the 7th century and then you have the Persians also, which is you have the Persians also, which is you have the Persians also, which is another superpower. And so the mystery another superpower. And so the mystery another superpower. And so the mystery is how did these Bedawins all of a is how did these Bedawins all of a is how did these Bedawins all of a sudden overrun both of them and conquer sudden overrun both of them and conquer sudden overrun both of them and conquer all the land that I told you. So not all the land that I told you. So not all the land that I told you. So not only Persia, but all of you know only Persia, but all of you know only Persia, but all of you know Christian Syria, greater Syria, and all Christian Syria, greater Syria, and all Christian Syria, greater Syria, and all of North Africa and all of Spain. That of North Africa and all of Spain. That of North Africa and all of Spain. That was always a mystery until now. And was always a mystery until now. And was always a mystery until now. And there's all kinds of theories that there's all kinds of theories that there's all kinds of theories that historians give, but they're just historians give, but they're just historians give, but they're just conjectural. Now, what's funny to me, conjectural. Now, what's funny to me, conjectural. Now, what's funny to me, and I know your audience is I don't know and I know your audience is I don't know and I know your audience is I don't know if they're going to like they're not if they're going to like they're not if they're going to like they're not going to like this, but but okay, going to like this, but but okay, going to like this, but but okay, they'll get a kick out of it, maybe. they'll get a kick out of it, maybe. they'll get a kick out of it, maybe. What's funny to me is that um if you What's funny to me is that um if you What's funny to me is that um if you look at what the Christians said of the look at what the Christians said of the look at what the Christians said of the time, how did they rationalize this? You time, how did they rationalize this? You time, how did they rationalize this? You know what they said? They said God was know what they said? They said God was know what they said? They said God was punishing us for our sins. punishing us for our sins. punishing us for our sins. >> Okay, now I've read that in college. I >> Okay, now I've read that in college. I >> Okay, now I've read that in college. I wrote my thesis about, you know, the wrote my thesis about, you know, the wrote my thesis about, you know, the Islamic conquest and well, like your Islamic conquest and well, like your Islamic conquest and well, like your average historian. I was like, "Yeah, average historian. I was like, "Yeah, average historian. I was like, "Yeah, okay, whatever. Obviously, that's not okay, whatever. Obviously, that's not okay, whatever. Obviously, that's not the case. Okay, that's not why it really the case. Okay, that's not why it really the case. Okay, that's not why it really happened. And the one key text that happened. And the one key text that happened. And the one key text that every Christian would quote, and it was every Christian would quote, and it was every Christian would quote, and it was written about 690, okay, so this is the written about 690, okay, so this is the written about 690, okay, so this is the height of the Islamic conquest. Almost height of the Islamic conquest. Almost height of the Islamic conquest. Almost all of North Africa is now conquered and all of North Africa is now conquered and all of North Africa is now conquered and the Middle East and it's on the verge of the Middle East and it's on the verge of the Middle East and it's on the verge of going in Spain. It's known as the going in Spain. It's known as the going in Spain. It's known as the apocalypse. It was written in Syriak. apocalypse. It was written in Syriak. apocalypse. It was written in Syriak. And the whole thing is, yeah, God is And the whole thing is, yeah, God is And the whole thing is, yeah, God is punishing us because of sexual punishing us because of sexual punishing us because of sexual immorality because men are dressing like immorality because men are dressing like immorality because men are dressing like women. Women are dressing like men, women. Women are dressing like men, women. Women are dressing like men, believe it or not. believe it or not. believe it or not. >> That's wild. No, yeah, but watch it gets >> That's wild. No, yeah, but watch it gets >> That's wild. No, yeah, but watch it gets more interesting and this is why. Okay, more interesting and this is why. Okay, more interesting and this is why. Okay, so that's what it said. And and that so that's what it said. And and that so that's what it said. And and that text kept circulating and in 1683, a text kept circulating and in 1683, a text kept circulating and in 1683, a million later when um when um Muslims million later when um when um Muslims million later when um when um Muslims were besieging Vienna, they were were besieging Vienna, they were were besieging Vienna, they were reproducing and publishing and reproducing and publishing and reproducing and publishing and disseminating it. So people understand disseminating it. So people understand disseminating it. So people understand why this is happening because we've why this is happening because we've why this is happening because we've sinned again and sexually immoral sinned again and sexually immoral sinned again and sexually immoral immorally. Now, why I bring this up and immorally. Now, why I bring this up and immorally. Now, why I bring this up and I find it interesting is look at the I find it interesting is look at the I find it interesting is look at the conversation we're having about Islam in conversation we're having about Islam in conversation we're having about Islam in Europe. Islam is weaker than it's ever. Europe. Islam is weaker than it's ever. Europe. Islam is weaker than it's ever. Okay. So, if the Muslims the the big Okay. So, if the Muslims the the big Okay. So, if the Muslims the the big mystery of the seventh century is the mystery of the seventh century is the mystery of the seventh century is the Muslims are a lot weaker and they beat Muslims are a lot weaker and they beat Muslims are a lot weaker and they beat the Romans. Let's say they were, you the Romans. Let's say they were, you the Romans. Let's say they were, you know, 10 times weaker at the time. know, 10 times weaker at the time. know, 10 times weaker at the time. Today, as we've just pointed out, Today, as we've just pointed out, Today, as we've just pointed out, militarily, economically, militarily, economically, militarily, economically, technologically, Europe's what, a technologically, Europe's what, a technologically, Europe's what, a thousand times stronger than the Muslim thousand times stronger than the Muslim thousand times stronger than the Muslim world. Okay? And yet, isn't it world. Okay? And yet, isn't it world. Okay? And yet, isn't it interesting that Muslims are such a interesting that Muslims are such a interesting that Muslims are such a thorn, such a problem taking over Europe thorn, such a problem taking over Europe thorn, such a problem taking over Europe and whatnot? And at the same time and whatnot? And at the same time and whatnot? And at the same time there's people pointing out that u you there's people pointing out that u you there's people pointing out that u you know if if it was because of know if if it was because of know if if it was because of crossdressing and sexual immorality. I crossdressing and sexual immorality. I crossdressing and sexual immorality. I think uh there's a lot more of that think uh there's a lot more of that think uh there's a lot more of that today. So I just so this is an example today. So I just so this is an example today. So I just so this is an example of me telling you I read that I didn't of me telling you I read that I didn't of me telling you I read that I didn't that didn't convince me but now I'm that didn't convince me but now I'm that didn't convince me but now I'm watching reality unfold in front of me watching reality unfold in front of me watching reality unfold in front of me and like yeah things are starting to and like yeah things are starting to and like yeah things are starting to make more sense in a way. Do you think make more sense in a way. Do you think make more sense in a way. Do you think that that that >> so my so to answer your original >> so my so to answer your original >> so my so to answer your original question it's not that my Christianity question it's not that my Christianity question it's not that my Christianity colors the way it's actually what I'm colors the way it's actually what I'm colors the way it's actually what I'm seeing kind of makes me uh validates seeing kind of makes me uh validates seeing kind of makes me uh validates Christianity for me Christianity for me Christianity for me >> interesting let me see if I understand >> interesting let me see if I understand >> interesting let me see if I understand that so there's two ways to interpret that so there's two ways to interpret that so there's two ways to interpret that beat if you look at it as this is a that beat if you look at it as this is a that beat if you look at it as this is a thing that repeats throughout history thing that repeats throughout history thing that repeats throughout history that there are these times where uh we that there are these times where uh we that there are these times where uh we let go of conservatism perhaps is the let go of conservatism perhaps is the let go of conservatism perhaps is the right way to say it around sexual mores right way to say it around sexual mores right way to say it around sexual mores that uh there's like gender bending and that uh there's like gender bending and that uh there's like gender bending and So people are men are very comfortable So people are men are very comfortable So people are men are very comfortable being affeminate, women are very being affeminate, women are very being affeminate, women are very comfortable being masculine and and that comfortable being masculine and and that comfortable being masculine and and that sort of sweeps whether it went all the sort of sweeps whether it went all the sort of sweeps whether it went all the way to where we're at now where you know way to where we're at now where you know way to where we're at now where you know it's a trans phenomenon uh up in the it's a trans phenomenon uh up in the it's a trans phenomenon uh up in the air. But so way number one would be that air. But so way number one would be that air. But so way number one would be that um um um >> when a culture starts to do that, God >> when a culture starts to do that, God >> when a culture starts to do that, God actually punishes you. Way number two is actually punishes you. Way number two is actually punishes you. Way number two is that that happens at a time where your that that happens at a time where your that that happens at a time where your >> um your culture becomes too pur potent. >> um your culture becomes too pur potent. >> um your culture becomes too pur potent. What I mean by that is when you take a What I mean by that is when you take a What I mean by that is when you take a stem cell and you have a like skin cell stem cell and you have a like skin cell stem cell and you have a like skin cell let's say and you want to make it pur let's say and you want to make it pur let's say and you want to make it pur potent so it could become anything again potent so it could become anything again potent so it could become anything again um you you run the risk of um you you run the risk of um you you run the risk of differentiating to the point where the differentiating to the point where the differentiating to the point where the the integrity of the cell begins to fall the integrity of the cell begins to fall the integrity of the cell begins to fall apart. So you have to be careful not to apart. So you have to be careful not to apart. So you have to be careful not to turn a cell like that into a cancer cell turn a cell like that into a cancer cell turn a cell like that into a cancer cell that just divides infinitely. that just divides infinitely. that just divides infinitely. >> Uh aging is supposedly when you the >> Uh aging is supposedly when you the >> Uh aging is supposedly when you the cells in your body are differentiating. cells in your body are differentiating. cells in your body are differentiating. So an eye cell is also sort of a heart So an eye cell is also sort of a heart So an eye cell is also sort of a heart cell also sort of a skin cell. And so cell also sort of a skin cell. And so cell also sort of a skin cell. And so you lose the like the distinctions in a you lose the like the distinctions in a you lose the like the distinctions in a society that we have to sort of force on society that we have to sort of force on society that we have to sort of force on people. And your society gets to a point people. And your society gets to a point people. And your society gets to a point I believe because you've had prosperity I believe because you've had prosperity I believe because you've had prosperity for so long you haven't been challenged. for so long you haven't been challenged. for so long you haven't been challenged. The thing that I always tell people is The thing that I always tell people is The thing that I always tell people is >> we need to be chased by a lion. Like we >> we need to be chased by a lion. Like we >> we need to be chased by a lion. Like we need a difficulty. We need a threat that need a difficulty. We need a threat that need a difficulty. We need a threat that forces us to have structure to say yes forces us to have structure to say yes forces us to have structure to say yes to this, no to that. And when you have to this, no to that. And when you have to this, no to that. And when you have prosperity for too long, you begin to prosperity for too long, you begin to prosperity for too long, you begin to lose that. Success seems like a natural lose that. Success seems like a natural lose that. Success seems like a natural law of order. And so you just sort of law of order. And so you just sort of law of order. And so you just sort of let anything go and you're not forcing let anything go and you're not forcing let anything go and you're not forcing people to be disciplined, to work hard, people to be disciplined, to work hard, people to be disciplined, to work hard, to stay focused, reward meritocracy, to stay focused, reward meritocracy, to stay focused, reward meritocracy, etc., etc. And so as almost as a physics etc., etc. And so as almost as a physics etc., etc. And so as almost as a physics response to prolonged prosperity, we response to prolonged prosperity, we response to prolonged prosperity, we find ourselves in this differentiated find ourselves in this differentiated find ourselves in this differentiated state and then whoever is hyper state and then whoever is hyper state and then whoever is hyper differentiated, believes in their differentiated, believes in their differentiated, believes in their culture, has conviction to say, "Nope, culture, has conviction to say, "Nope, culture, has conviction to say, "Nope, you guys are stupid. We're going to come you guys are stupid. We're going to come you guys are stupid. We're going to come in and take over." That that's why those in and take over." That that's why those in and take over." That that's why those two things may happen at the same time. two things may happen at the same time. two things may happen at the same time. Are you saying it's God just doesn't Are you saying it's God just doesn't Are you saying it's God just doesn't like it, so I'm gonna, you know, send an like it, so I'm gonna, you know, send an like it, so I'm gonna, you know, send an army to take you down? Or do you think army to take you down? Or do you think army to take you down? Or do you think that this is that this is that this is >> like what I was saying where it just >> like what I was saying where it just >> like what I was saying where it just sort of is a thing that corresponds with sort of is a thing that corresponds with sort of is a thing that corresponds with >> a problem within society? >> a problem within society? >> a problem within society? >> I think it could be both. Okay. And and >> I think it could be both. Okay. And and >> I think it could be both. Okay. And and and the go the I only brought the God and the go the I only brought the God and the go the I only brought the God thing up because you asked me directly thing up because you asked me directly thing up because you asked me directly like how my faith fits into this. And I like how my faith fits into this. And I like how my faith fits into this. And I was trying to give you an example that was trying to give you an example that was trying to give you an example that it's not so much that I'm I I approach it's not so much that I'm I I approach it's not so much that I'm I I approach it thinking about theology. It's rather it thinking about theology. It's rather it thinking about theology. It's rather I didn't think about theology, but then I didn't think about theology, but then I didn't think about theology, but then by looking at it, it actually makes me by looking at it, it actually makes me by looking at it, it actually makes me wonder. So I actually didn't even finish wonder. So I actually didn't even finish wonder. So I actually didn't even finish my idea. What I was trying to say is so my idea. What I was trying to say is so my idea. What I was trying to say is so you know, okay, so in the seventh you know, okay, so in the seventh you know, okay, so in the seventh century, the Arabs did what they did and century, the Arabs did what they did and century, the Arabs did what they did and they said Christians said it was sexual they said Christians said it was sexual they said Christians said it was sexual immorality and the Muslims or Arabs were immorality and the Muslims or Arabs were immorality and the Muslims or Arabs were 10 times weaker than than Rome. So how 10 times weaker than than Rome. So how 10 times weaker than than Rome. So how did that happen? That's why it's a did that happen? That's why it's a did that happen? That's why it's a mystery for us. I believe you know a mystery for us. I believe you know a mystery for us. I believe you know a century from now, two centuries from century from now, two centuries from century from now, two centuries from now, three centuries from now, the now, three centuries from now, the now, three centuries from now, the world, the posterity will look and let's world, the posterity will look and let's world, the posterity will look and let's say Muslims do overrun Europe and say Muslims do overrun Europe and say Muslims do overrun Europe and they're going to be like how did this they're going to be like how did this they're going to be like how did this that is going to be much greater mystery that is going to be much greater mystery that is going to be much greater mystery that how did these guys who were so weak that how did these guys who were so weak that how did these guys who were so weak their countries migrants coming capand their countries migrants coming capand their countries migrants coming capand poor and Europe was so powerful. So that poor and Europe was so powerful. So that poor and Europe was so powerful. So that will be one of those amazing mysteries will be one of those amazing mysteries will be one of those amazing mysteries okay where people will again be trying okay where people will again be trying okay where people will again be trying to come up with conjectures. So now put to come up with conjectures. So now put to come up with conjectures. So now put that aside. I'm just saying I'm just that aside. I'm just saying I'm just that aside. I'm just saying I'm just trying to show you that it's not that my trying to show you that it's not that my trying to show you that it's not that my religion guides me. It's if anything religion guides me. It's if anything religion guides me. It's if anything it's history is making my me believe it's history is making my me believe it's history is making my me believe more in religion. But now what you said more in religion. But now what you said more in religion. But now what you said of course that's that's also just as of course that's that's also just as of course that's that's also just as plausible. Okay. Which is you don't have plausible. Okay. Which is you don't have plausible. Okay. Which is you don't have to give it a a theological um to give it a a theological um to give it a a theological um explanation. explanation. explanation. Okay. Um it could be just okay. What I Okay. Um it could be just okay. What I Okay. Um it could be just okay. What I mean what's what's that what's that mean what's what's that what's that mean what's what's that what's that saying? you know, like strong men create saying? you know, like strong men create saying? you know, like strong men create strong societies and then, you know, strong societies and then, you know, strong societies and then, you know, strong societies create weak men and strong societies create weak men and strong societies create weak men and weak men create weak societies, etc. So, weak men create weak societies, etc. So, weak men create weak societies, etc. So, it's a cycle. That that definitely makes it's a cycle. That that definitely makes it's a cycle. That that definitely makes sense. And, you know, and and whoever sense. And, you know, and and whoever sense. And, you know, and and whoever has the eye of the tiger, if it's the has the eye of the tiger, if it's the has the eye of the tiger, if it's the Muslims, they're going to want it more. Muslims, they're going to want it more. Muslims, they're going to want it more. So, of course, I'm not discounting that So, of course, I'm not discounting that So, of course, I'm not discounting that either. Um, ultimately I was just trying either. Um, ultimately I was just trying either. Um, ultimately I was just trying to answer your question about me and my to answer your question about me and my to answer your question about me and my religious lens to show you that if religious lens to show you that if religious lens to show you that if anything it's studying history and anything it's studying history and anything it's studying history and current events that actually makes me current events that actually makes me current events that actually makes me look back and go, "Well, yeah, that kind look back and go, "Well, yeah, that kind look back and go, "Well, yeah, that kind of makes sense now, not vice versa, of makes sense now, not vice versa, of makes sense now, not vice versa, >> where I'm forcibly applying theology, >> where I'm forcibly applying theology, >> where I'm forcibly applying theology, >> which people do, by the way, and I don't >> which people do, by the way, and I don't >> which people do, by the way, and I don't care for that." care for that." care for that." >> Okay. For a moderate Muslim who's >> Okay. For a moderate Muslim who's >> Okay. For a moderate Muslim who's watched this whole thing, they're with watched this whole thing, they're with watched this whole thing, they're with us still. um and they have parsed all us still. um and they have parsed all us still. um and they have parsed all this but they feel directly attacked by this but they feel directly attacked by this but they feel directly attacked by your philosophies. What would you want your philosophies. What would you want your philosophies. What would you want to say to them? to say to them? to say to them? >> If this is a truly moderate Muslim, they >> If this is a truly moderate Muslim, they >> If this is a truly moderate Muslim, they shouldn't feel attacked and I think they shouldn't feel attacked and I think they shouldn't feel attacked and I think they should agree with me because they should should agree with me because they should should agree with me because they should know. Again, I've not attacked any know. Again, I've not attacked any know. Again, I've not attacked any particular Muslim by saying you are particular Muslim by saying you are particular Muslim by saying you are this. I've talked about a body of this. I've talked about a body of this. I've talked about a body of beliefs and religion Islam. Any beliefs and religion Islam. Any beliefs and religion Islam. Any so-called moderate Muslim, I can't if so-called moderate Muslim, I can't if so-called moderate Muslim, I can't if they were to say, "Oh, no, you're wrong they were to say, "Oh, no, you're wrong they were to say, "Oh, no, you're wrong about the history or you're wrong about about the history or you're wrong about about the history or you're wrong about Muhammad saying kill the apostate." Muhammad saying kill the apostate." Muhammad saying kill the apostate." that's your books. Most of this is from that's your books. Most of this is from that's your books. Most of this is from Muslim books that I'm telling you, Muslim books that I'm telling you, Muslim books that I'm telling you, including the history. So I if they're including the history. So I if they're including the history. So I if they're really genuinely moderate, I think they really genuinely moderate, I think they really genuinely moderate, I think they would agree with me and say, "Yeah, would agree with me and say, "Yeah, would agree with me and say, "Yeah, you're right. Um, but I'm moderate for you're right. Um, but I'm moderate for you're right. Um, but I'm moderate for whatever reason. I've rationalized it whatever reason. I've rationalized it whatever reason. I've rationalized it this way." If they actually attack me, this way." If they actually attack me, this way." If they actually attack me, then then that's the tea Muslim. That's then then that's the tea Muslim. That's then then that's the tea Muslim. That's the one who's, you know, playing that the one who's, you know, playing that the one who's, you know, playing that little game and saying, "No, no, Islam little game and saying, "No, no, Islam little game and saying, "No, no, Islam is peace and this guy is a liar." But is peace and this guy is a liar." But is peace and this guy is a liar." But and I've met a lot of um you know a lot and I've met a lot of um you know a lot and I've met a lot of um you know a lot of Muslims who you know if you want to of Muslims who you know if you want to of Muslims who you know if you want to call them moderate what they are is call them moderate what they are is call them moderate what they are is they're secular Muslims. They're nominal they're secular Muslims. They're nominal they're secular Muslims. They're nominal Muslims, cultural Muslims and they don't Muslims, cultural Muslims and they don't Muslims, cultural Muslims and they don't want to break away because that's their want to break away because that's their want to break away because that's their heritage and there's a sense of loyalty heritage and there's a sense of loyalty heritage and there's a sense of loyalty and kinship to their people. That's it. and kinship to their people. That's it. and kinship to their people. That's it. But they're not necessarily reading the But they're not necessarily reading the But they're not necessarily reading the Quran or believing in any of that sort Quran or believing in any of that sort Quran or believing in any of that sort of thing. And those people I would of thing. And those people I would of thing. And those people I would imagine uh if they heard me, if they imagine uh if they heard me, if they imagine uh if they heard me, if they know anything about Islam, they would know anything about Islam, they would know anything about Islam, they would agree quietly secretly to themselves. So agree quietly secretly to themselves. So agree quietly secretly to themselves. So I don't think that should draw any eye I don't think that should draw any eye I don't think that should draw any eye from them towards me. All from them towards me. All from them towards me. All right, man. This has been incredible. right, man. This has been incredible. right, man. This has been incredible. Where can people follow along with you? Where can people follow along with you? Where can people follow along with you? >> Thanks. Um um well, you know, my I have >> Thanks. Um um well, you know, my I have >> Thanks. Um um well, you know, my I have so my books you can get them. They're on so my books you can get them. They're on so my books you can get them. They're on my website. They're on Amazon. Um I my website. They're on Amazon. Um I my website. They're on Amazon. Um I suggest if anyone's interested in this suggest if anyone's interested in this suggest if anyone's interested in this particular topic, Sword and Scimitar, particular topic, Sword and Scimitar, particular topic, Sword and Scimitar, which this is this is the third of a which this is this is the third of a which this is this is the third of a trilogy. The first one is Sword and trilogy. The first one is Sword and trilogy. The first one is Sword and Scimitar. And if they like that, they Scimitar. And if they like that, they Scimitar. And if they like that, they can pursue them. But that one gives you can pursue them. But that one gives you can pursue them. But that one gives you the really the general introduction to the really the general introduction to the really the general introduction to the overall history that we've that I the overall history that we've that I the overall history that we've that I barely touched on between Islam and the barely touched on between Islam and the barely touched on between Islam and the West. Um, and then I also have a West. Um, and then I also have a West. Um, and then I also have a Substack which people can just look up Substack which people can just look up Substack which people can just look up with my name. And my YouTube channel is with my name. And my YouTube channel is with my name. And my YouTube channel is out there as well under my name. out there as well under my name. out there as well under my name. >> I think it's just my name, but it's >> I think it's just my name, but it's >> I think it's just my name, but it's called the Holy War channel because I called the Holy War channel because I called the Holy War channel because I talk about crusades and jihads. talk about crusades and jihads. talk about crusades and jihads. >> Nice. I love it. As somebody who's >> Nice. I love it. As somebody who's >> Nice. I love it. As somebody who's watched a lot of your content, I highly watched a lot of your content, I highly watched a lot of your content, I highly recommend people check it out. recommend people check it out. recommend people check it out. >> I appreciate that. >> I appreciate that. >> I appreciate that. >> All right, boys and girls, if you >> All right, boys and girls, if you >> All right, boys and girls, if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. haven't already, be sure to subscribe. haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be And until next time, my friends, be And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace. If you like legendary. Take care. Peace. If you like legendary. Take care. Peace. If you like this conversation, check out this this conversation, check out this this conversation, check out this episode to learn more. Of the 47 nations episode to learn more. Of the 47 nations episode to learn more. 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