Raising a Dog & Mastering Calm Assertive Energy | Cesar Millan

I'm not saying that to give affection. I'm not saying that to give affection. I'm just saying give affection to I'm just saying give affection to I'm just saying give affection to patience and calmness and open mind. patience and calmness and open mind. patience and calmness and open mind. Right? Cuz when you when your dog Right? Cuz when you when your dog Right? Cuz when you when your dog misbehave, you want him to go back misbehave, you want him to go back misbehave, you want him to go back there. there. there. Go back to your good state of mind, Go back to your good state of mind, Go back to your good state of mind, right? You don't want the dog to do right? You don't want the dog to do right? You don't want the dog to do fight flight avoidance. Those are the fight flight avoidance. Those are the fight flight avoidance. Those are the bad state of mind. The good state of bad state of mind. The good state of bad state of mind. The good state of mind is patience calm surrender or mind is patience calm surrender or mind is patience calm surrender or happy-go-lucky. Those are good state of happy-go-lucky. Those are good state of happy-go-lucky. Those are good state of mind. mind. mind. >> Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast >> Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast >> Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast where we discuss science where we discuss science where we discuss science >> [music] >> [music] >> [music] >> and science-based tools for everyday >> and science-based tools for everyday >> and science-based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor I'm Andrew Huberman and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at of neurobiology and ophthalmology at of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. My guest Stanford School of Medicine. My guest Stanford School of Medicine. My guest today is Cesar Millan, better known as today is Cesar Millan, better known as today is Cesar Millan, better known as the Dog Whisperer and the preeminent dog the Dog Whisperer and the preeminent dog the Dog Whisperer and the preeminent dog trainer in the world. Today's episode is trainer in the world. Today's episode is trainer in the world. Today's episode is truly for everyone, not just dog owners. truly for everyone, not just dog owners. truly for everyone, not just dog owners. You're going to learn a lot about human You're going to learn a lot about human You're going to learn a lot about human psychology and behavior and it will help psychology and behavior and it will help psychology and behavior and it will help you better interact with other humans in you better interact with other humans in you better interact with other humans in every type of relationship. For every type of relationship. For every type of relationship. For instance, you will learn a simple tool instance, you will learn a simple tool instance, you will learn a simple tool that allows you to move through the that allows you to move through the that allows you to move through the world with a clear calm state of mind world with a clear calm state of mind world with a clear calm state of mind that will allow you to interact with that will allow you to interact with that will allow you to interact with others more effectively, to listen and others more effectively, to listen and others more effectively, to listen and act with more clarity and intention. And act with more clarity and intention. And act with more clarity and intention. And not incidentally, that clear calm state not incidentally, that clear calm state not incidentally, that clear calm state of mind is also what dogs respond to of mind is also what dogs respond to of mind is also what dogs respond to best and what makes them feel safe and best and what makes them feel safe and best and what makes them feel safe and healthy. Today we talk about the healthy. Today we talk about the healthy. Today we talk about the critical importance about understanding critical importance about understanding critical importance about understanding dog biology and psychology and the fact dog biology and psychology and the fact dog biology and psychology and the fact that they are pack animals and that we that they are pack animals and that we that they are pack animals and that we have to remove our human sense about have to remove our human sense about have to remove our human sense about these animals as our pets and of course these animals as our pets and of course these animals as our pets and of course they are our pets and they're extremely they are our pets and they're extremely they are our pets and they're extremely cute. They are family members, but cute. They are family members, but cute. They are family members, but understand the hard-wired aspects of understand the hard-wired aspects of understand the hard-wired aspects of their brain and biology that allow us to their brain and biology that allow us to their brain and biology that allow us to be the best leaders for them. I have to be the best leaders for them. I have to be the best leaders for them. I have to warn you, a lot of what you hear today warn you, a lot of what you hear today warn you, a lot of what you hear today may sound counterintuitive at first may sound counterintuitive at first may sound counterintuitive at first until you understand the biology of dogs until you understand the biology of dogs until you understand the biology of dogs and the fact that they respond to and the fact that they respond to and the fact that they respond to people's energy and actions, not words. people's energy and actions, not words. people's energy and actions, not words. I know they can listen to commands, they I know they can listen to commands, they I know they can listen to commands, they can learn words and commands, but can learn words and commands, but can learn words and commands, but they're responding to the energy and the they're responding to the energy and the they're responding to the energy and the actions associated with those commands. actions associated with those commands. actions associated with those commands. Only then can you be the most effective Only then can you be the most effective Only then can you be the most effective dog owner. And by effective I mean dog owner. And by effective I mean dog owner. And by effective I mean making your dog as healthy and feeling making your dog as healthy and feeling making your dog as healthy and feeling safe as possible. I should point out safe as possible. I should point out safe as possible. I should point out that one of the reasons I'm so excited that one of the reasons I'm so excited that one of the reasons I'm so excited Cesar came on this podcast is that I had Cesar came on this podcast is that I had Cesar came on this podcast is that I had an amazingly positive experience with an amazingly positive experience with an amazingly positive experience with his methods years ago when I got my his methods years ago when I got my his methods years ago when I got my first puppy, Costello, who is a bulldog first puppy, Costello, who is a bulldog first puppy, Costello, who is a bulldog mastiff. I read his book Be the Pack mastiff. I read his book Be the Pack mastiff. I read his book Be the Pack Leader and the principles within that Leader and the principles within that Leader and the principles within that book were critical for developing an book were critical for developing an book were critical for developing an incredible relationship with Costello incredible relationship with Costello incredible relationship with Costello who lived 11 years. You could bring him who lived 11 years. You could bring him who lived 11 years. You could bring him into any environment. I would bring him into any environment. I would bring him into any environment. I would bring him to class. I would bring him into to class. I would bring him into to class. I would bring him into different people's homes. I could take different people's homes. I could take different people's homes. I could take him essentially anywhere. He loved kids. him essentially anywhere. He loved kids. him essentially anywhere. He loved kids. He loved people and he was extremely He loved people and he was extremely He loved people and he was extremely well-behaved. Exceedingly lazy, too, but well-behaved. Exceedingly lazy, too, but well-behaved. Exceedingly lazy, too, but exceedingly well-behaved. And I credit exceedingly well-behaved. And I credit exceedingly well-behaved. And I credit that to the methods that I learned from that to the methods that I learned from that to the methods that I learned from Cesar's book. So, if you have a dog or Cesar's book. So, if you have a dog or Cesar's book. So, if you have a dog or you're considering getting a dog or you you're considering getting a dog or you you're considering getting a dog or you want to better understand how to want to better understand how to want to better understand how to regulate your energy and behavior in all regulate your energy and behavior in all regulate your energy and behavior in all types of interactions with dogs, with types of interactions with dogs, with types of interactions with dogs, with cats, and with other humans, today's cats, and with other humans, today's cats, and with other humans, today's episode will teach you those extremely episode will teach you those extremely episode will teach you those extremely valuable tools. And I'm extremely valuable tools. And I'm extremely valuable tools. And I'm extremely pleased to announce the newest member pleased to announce the newest member pleased to announce the newest member Huberman Lab podcast team, Strummer. Huberman Lab podcast team, Strummer. Huberman Lab podcast team, Strummer. He's also a bulldog mastiff mutt. He's also a bulldog mastiff mutt. He's also a bulldog mastiff mutt. He's similar to Costello in breed, but I He's similar to Costello in breed, but I He's similar to Costello in breed, but I should say not a pure English bulldog. should say not a pure English bulldog. should say not a pure English bulldog. So, not a lot of snoring and the other So, not a lot of snoring and the other So, not a lot of snoring and the other stuff that go along with English stuff that go along with English stuff that go along with English bulldogs. I love the English bulldog bulldogs. I love the English bulldog bulldogs. I love the English bulldog breed, but when they're mudded with breed, but when they're mudded with breed, but when they're mudded with other breeds like this one, they breathe other breeds like this one, they breathe other breeds like this one, they breathe a lot easier and he's just the sweetest a lot easier and he's just the sweetest a lot easier and he's just the sweetest thing. So, you'll be seeing and perhaps thing. So, you'll be seeing and perhaps thing. So, you'll be seeing and perhaps hearing more from Strummer. I am hearing more from Strummer. I am hearing more from Strummer. I am applying all of Cesar's methods to applying all of Cesar's methods to applying all of Cesar's methods to training Strummer. You can see he's a training Strummer. You can see he's a training Strummer. You can see he's a very calm, relaxed dog. He gets two very calm, relaxed dog. He gets two very calm, relaxed dog. He gets two walks a day and a bunch of other things walks a day and a bunch of other things walks a day and a bunch of other things you'll learn about during today's you'll learn about during today's you'll learn about during today's episode that will benefit you if you episode that will benefit you if you episode that will benefit you if you have or you're thinking about getting a have or you're thinking about getting a have or you're thinking about getting a dog. Before we begin, I'd like to dog. Before we begin, I'd like to dog. Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast is separate emphasize that this podcast is separate emphasize that this podcast is separate from my teaching and research roles at from my teaching and research roles at from my teaching and research roles at Stanford. It is, however, part of my Stanford. It is, however, part of my Stanford. It is, however, part of my desire and effort to bring zero-cost to desire and effort to bring zero-cost to desire and effort to bring zero-cost to consumer information about science and consumer information about science and consumer information about science and science-related tools to the general science-related tools to the general science-related tools to the general public. In keeping with that theme, public. In keeping with that theme, public. In keeping with that theme, today's episode does include sponsors. today's episode does include sponsors. today's episode does include sponsors. And now for my discussion with Cesar And now for my discussion with Cesar And now for my discussion with Cesar Millan. Cesar Millan. Millan. Cesar Millan. Millan. Cesar Millan. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. >> Welcome. I'm a huge fan. >> Welcome. I'm a huge fan. >> Welcome. I'm a huge fan. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Your book >> Your book >> Your book >> Same here. >> Same here. >> Same here. >> Thank you. Thank you. I'm honored to >> Thank you. Thank you. I'm honored to >> Thank you. Thank you. I'm honored to hear that. I but I will say your book Be hear that. I but I will say your book Be hear that. I but I will say your book Be the pack leader. I read the hard copy. the pack leader. I read the hard copy. the pack leader. I read the hard copy. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> my first puppy. We never had a dog in my >> my first puppy. We never had a dog in my >> my first puppy. We never had a dog in my home growing up. home growing up. home growing up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To raise Costello. >> To raise Costello. >> To raise Costello. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Bulldog mix, stubborn dog. >> Bulldog mix, stubborn dog. >> Bulldog mix, stubborn dog. We went 11 years together, he and I and We went 11 years together, he and I and We went 11 years together, he and I and that book and your other teachings were that book and your other teachings were that book and your other teachings were tremendously impactful for my tremendously impactful for my tremendously impactful for my relationship with him, yeah, but also in relationship with him, yeah, but also in relationship with him, yeah, but also in my work life and my entire life. my work life and my entire life. my work life and my entire life. We're going to talk about some of the We're going to talk about some of the We're going to talk about some of the themes from that book and beyond today, themes from that book and beyond today, themes from that book and beyond today, but I just want to extend my gratitude. but I just want to extend my gratitude. but I just want to extend my gratitude. It's a true honor and pleasure to have It's a true honor and pleasure to have It's a true honor and pleasure to have you here. you here. you here. >> Yeah, in modern parlance, they say >> Yeah, in modern parlance, they say >> Yeah, in modern parlance, they say you're the man. you're the man. you're the man. You're the man. You're the man. You're the man. >> The pack leader. >> The pack leader. >> The pack leader. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. Many, many people want dogs, have dogs. Many, many people want dogs, have dogs. Many, many people want dogs, have dogs. Have these concepts of dogs that lead Have these concepts of dogs that lead Have these concepts of dogs that lead them to think they're a great dog owner, them to think they're a great dog owner, them to think they're a great dog owner, but a lot of but a lot of but a lot of dog behavioral issues, emotional issues dog behavioral issues, emotional issues dog behavioral issues, emotional issues we know probably reflect something in we know probably reflect something in we know probably reflect something in the human as well. the human as well. the human as well. >> Not probably. >> Not probably. >> Not probably. >> So certainly. >> So certainly. >> So certainly. >> Yeah, cuz there is no knowledge behind >> Yeah, cuz there is no knowledge behind >> Yeah, cuz there is no knowledge behind instinct. It's all reaction. So you can instinct. It's all reaction. So you can instinct. It's all reaction. So you can never blame an animal never blame an animal never blame an animal for doing the wrong thing. for doing the wrong thing. for doing the wrong thing. You see it? So So you can guarantee for You see it? So So you can guarantee for You see it? So So you can guarantee for a dog to do the right thing. a dog to do the right thing. a dog to do the right thing. Right? And And so how? Well, that means Right? And And so how? Well, that means Right? And And so how? Well, that means the human has good energy. And what's the human has good energy. And what's the human has good energy. And what's good energy? Well, if you understand the good energy? Well, if you understand the good energy? Well, if you understand the power of silence, which that gives you power of silence, which that gives you power of silence, which that gives you patience. The power of calmness, which patience. The power of calmness, which patience. The power of calmness, which that gives you trust. And calmness is that gives you trust. And calmness is that gives you trust. And calmness is you're just learning how to breathe, you're just learning how to breathe, you're just learning how to breathe, right? The power of confidence, that's right? The power of confidence, that's right? The power of confidence, that's knowledge, right? And then the power of knowledge, right? And then the power of knowledge, right? And then the power of love, when to give love. Cuz a lot of love, when to give love. Cuz a lot of love, when to give love. Cuz a lot of times people give love at the wrong times people give love at the wrong times people give love at the wrong time. So you end up nurturing the wrong time. So you end up nurturing the wrong time. So you end up nurturing the wrong behavior. Right? So that's what happened behavior. Right? So that's what happened behavior. Right? So that's what happened to my clients. And then the power of to my clients. And then the power of to my clients. And then the power of joy, that's the celebration, right? joy, that's the celebration, right? joy, that's the celebration, right? We're going to FIFA right now. We're We're going to FIFA right now. We're We're going to FIFA right now. We're going to World Cup. Nobody celebrates going to World Cup. Nobody celebrates going to World Cup. Nobody celebrates unless they make a goal. unless they make a goal. unless they make a goal. You see what I'm saying? But they have You see what I'm saying? But they have You see what I'm saying? But they have to be patient, calm, confident, love to be patient, calm, confident, love to be patient, calm, confident, love what they're doing, and celebrate what they're doing, and celebrate what they're doing, and celebrate afterwards. See, they follow that afterwards. See, they follow that afterwards. See, they follow that formula. formula. formula. It's the silence, it's the common before It's the silence, it's the common before It's the silence, it's the common before anybody's going to go to something so anybody's going to go to something so anybody's going to go to something so powerful, such as winning, right? Or powerful, such as winning, right? Or powerful, such as winning, right? Or being in a team, or being in a group. being in a team, or being in a group. being in a team, or being in a group. The energies of silence, calmness, The energies of silence, calmness, The energies of silence, calmness, confidence, love, joy is what makes them confidence, love, joy is what makes them confidence, love, joy is what makes them become a great team, cuz that's what become a great team, cuz that's what become a great team, cuz that's what connects your spirit, your instinct, connects your spirit, your instinct, connects your spirit, your instinct, your heart, and your mind. In the same your heart, and your mind. In the same your heart, and your mind. In the same way we have to connect with a dog. It's way we have to connect with a dog. It's way we have to connect with a dog. It's not just emotional, it's not just not just emotional, it's not just not just emotional, it's not just intellectual. You know, just want to intellectual. You know, just want to intellectual. You know, just want to train the dog. What you train is the train the dog. What you train is the train the dog. What you train is the mind. What you connect is the spirit, mind. What you connect is the spirit, mind. What you connect is the spirit, the instinct, and the heart. That's what the instinct, and the heart. That's what the instinct, and the heart. That's what you connect. That's why I say trust, you connect. That's why I say trust, you connect. That's why I say trust, respect, love. respect, love. respect, love. Trust the spirit, respect instinct, love Trust the spirit, respect instinct, love Trust the spirit, respect instinct, love with the heart, create with your mind. with the heart, create with your mind. with the heart, create with your mind. >> For many people, especially in the >> For many people, especially in the >> For many people, especially in the United States, they're not United States, they're not United States, they're not familiar with familiar with familiar with feeling energy and exchanging energy feeling energy and exchanging energy feeling energy and exchanging energy with with with a dog. a dog. a dog. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> I'll give an example of when Costello, >> I'll give an example of when Costello, >> I'll give an example of when Costello, my previous bulldog, some probably my previous bulldog, some probably my previous bulldog, some probably bulldog mastiff, who knows what he was, bulldog mastiff, who knows what he was, bulldog mastiff, who knows what he was, but but but whatever he was, he was Costello. whatever he was, he was Costello. whatever he was, he was Costello. But I learned something very important But I learned something very important But I learned something very important from you. Before he's Costello, he's an from you. Before he's Costello, he's an from you. Before he's Costello, he's an animal. animal. animal. >> That's right. Spirit. >> That's right. Spirit. >> That's right. Spirit. >> Ah. >> Ah. >> Ah. >> Spirit, animal, specie, breed, >> Spirit, animal, specie, breed, >> Spirit, animal, specie, breed, [clears throat] name. [clears throat] name. [clears throat] name. See, so the last thing they are is the See, so the last thing they are is the See, so the last thing they are is the breed and the name. breed and the name. breed and the name. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So when I rehabilitate a dog, what I'm >> So when I rehabilitate a dog, what I'm >> So when I rehabilitate a dog, what I'm doing is bringing back the happy spirit, doing is bringing back the happy spirit, doing is bringing back the happy spirit, bringing back the healthy instinct, and bringing back the healthy instinct, and bringing back the healthy instinct, and bringing back the rules, boundaries, bringing back the rules, boundaries, bringing back the rules, boundaries, limitations mind. limitations mind. limitations mind. Cuz that's what makes them well behaved, Cuz that's what makes them well behaved, Cuz that's what makes them well behaved, when they understand rules, boundaries, when they understand rules, boundaries, when they understand rules, boundaries, limitations, no matter what breed they limitations, no matter what breed they limitations, no matter what breed they are. are. are. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So it really doesn't matter if you have >> So it really doesn't matter if you have >> So it really doesn't matter if you have a pitbull, a Rottweiler, German a pitbull, a Rottweiler, German a pitbull, a Rottweiler, German Shepherd, or I'm Mexican and you're Shepherd, or I'm Mexican and you're Shepherd, or I'm Mexican and you're white, and white, and white, and African American. It really doesn't African American. It really doesn't African American. It really doesn't matter the race of the human. What matter the race of the human. What matter the race of the human. What matter is is that person has a happy matter is is that person has a happy matter is is that person has a happy spirit, a healthy instinct, and a well spirit, a healthy instinct, and a well spirit, a healthy instinct, and a well educated mind, right? So you want to be educated mind, right? So you want to be educated mind, right? So you want to be a good human. a good human. a good human. Right? And you want to be part of the Right? And you want to be part of the Right? And you want to be part of the pack of the good humans. And those pack of the good humans. And those pack of the good humans. And those humans are good, right? Those are Those humans are good, right? Those are Those humans are good, right? Those are Those are the humans that help other humans are the humans that help other humans are the humans that help other humans or or or they create uh or or or they create uh or or or they create uh well-behaved dogs because they're well-behaved dogs because they're well-behaved dogs because they're following in that path. following in that path. following in that path. You know, there is some people are born You know, there is some people are born You know, there is some people are born to to to the I mean, I I'm I was I'm part of the the I mean, I I'm I was I'm part of the the I mean, I I'm I was I'm part of the pack where it's better humans, better pack where it's better humans, better pack where it's better humans, better planet. planet. planet. But I know a lot of people But I know a lot of people But I know a lot of people who are not part of that path. So, it's who are not part of that path. So, it's who are not part of that path. So, it's that. that. that. >> Yeah, certainly uh >> Yeah, certainly uh >> Yeah, certainly uh raising and and living with Costello raising and and living with Costello raising and and living with Costello taught me a lot about how to sense taught me a lot about how to sense taught me a lot about how to sense people's energy. I had an amazing people's energy. I had an amazing people's energy. I had an amazing experience with him that I just want to experience with him that I just want to experience with him that I just want to share briefly that I realized now is share briefly that I realized now is share briefly that I realized now is probably the spirit component. But it probably the spirit component. But it probably the spirit component. But it was something that I tried on the basis was something that I tried on the basis was something that I tried on the basis of what I read in your book. of what I read in your book. of what I read in your book. So, So, So, I was walking him and he sometimes he I was walking him and he sometimes he I was walking him and he sometimes he didn't want to walk in a particular didn't want to walk in a particular didn't want to walk in a particular direction, you know, and so he was direction, you know, and so he was direction, you know, and so he was always walking by side or a little bit always walking by side or a little bit always walking by side or a little bit behind me. I had that going from very behind me. I had that going from very behind me. I had that going from very early point. I practiced no look, no early point. I practiced no look, no early point. I practiced no look, no touch, no speak in the first touch, no speak in the first touch, no speak in the first um you know, minutes of contact of um you know, minutes of contact of um you know, minutes of contact of coming home and we can talk about why coming home and we can talk about why coming home and we can talk about why that's important. But at one point I that's important. But at one point I that's important. But at one point I decided based on what you put in your decided based on what you put in your decided based on what you put in your book to try something that seemed kind book to try something that seemed kind book to try something that seemed kind of wacky to me at the time of wacky to me at the time of wacky to me at the time where I was just going to where I was just going to where I was just going to at some point during the walk, it was a at some point during the walk, it was a at some point during the walk, it was a we would had a great stride, we're we would had a great stride, we're we would had a great stride, we're having a good time, he's smelling having a good time, he's smelling having a good time, he's smelling things, but we're moving on and things, but we're moving on and things, but we're moving on and [clears throat] and I decided to just [clears throat] and I decided to just [clears throat] and I decided to just send him like approval energy. send him like approval energy. send him like approval energy. Like I'm just going to think it and then Like I'm just going to think it and then Like I'm just going to think it and then I and then feel it. I'm just going to I and then feel it. I'm just going to I and then feel it. I'm just going to send him some energy. send him some energy. send him some energy. I'm just walking around, I'm just doing I'm just walking around, I'm just doing I'm just walking around, I'm just doing this. I did not change where I was this. I did not change where I was this. I did not change where I was looking. I did not change as far as I looking. I did not change as far as I looking. I did not change as far as I know, like the tension on the leash, who know, like the tension on the leash, who know, like the tension on the leash, who knows. knows. knows. And he just looks right up at me. And he just looks right up at me. And he just looks right up at me. And I was like, this is incredible. And I was like, this is incredible. And I was like, this is incredible. After a really good day of hiking or After a really good day of hiking or After a really good day of hiking or work, he used to come to the lab with me work, he used to come to the lab with me work, he used to come to the lab with me or something, we were sitting or I was or something, we were sitting or I was or something, we were sitting or I was cooking or something, every once in a cooking or something, every once in a cooking or something, every once in a while I would just while I'm doing while I would just while I'm doing while I would just while I'm doing something else, I would just send him something else, I would just send him something else, I would just send him like this positive energy. like this positive energy. like this positive energy. And he would look over at me. It was It And he would look over at me. It was It And he would look over at me. It was It was wild. Yeah. I realized he's sensing was wild. Yeah. I realized he's sensing was wild. Yeah. I realized he's sensing things that are beyond my words. In things that are beyond my words. In things that are beyond my words. In fact, I don't know that he ever really fact, I don't know that he ever really fact, I don't know that he ever really listened to what I said terribly much. listened to what I said terribly much. listened to what I said terribly much. He could really feel what I was feeling. He could really feel what I was feeling. He could really feel what I was feeling. He was probably paying attention a lot He was probably paying attention a lot He was probably paying attention a lot more of the time than I was aware. more of the time than I was aware. more of the time than I was aware. But I also had the experience of when he But I also had the experience of when he But I also had the experience of when he was doing something I didn't like, I was doing something I didn't like, I was doing something I didn't like, I could send him disapproval. That's could send him disapproval. That's could send him disapproval. That's right. And he would stop. It was wild. right. And he would stop. It was wild. right. And he would stop. It was wild. We were, you know, meters away from each We were, you know, meters away from each We were, you know, meters away from each other. And I could send him this energy. other. And I could send him this energy. other. And I could send him this energy. Now, to you this is probably like, yes, Now, to you this is probably like, yes, Now, to you this is probably like, yes, of course. But I think for me and I of course. But I think for me and I of course. But I think for me and I think for most people that have dogs or think for most people that have dogs or think for most people that have dogs or thinking about owning a a dog, you know, thinking about owning a a dog, you know, thinking about owning a a dog, you know, they think this is crazy, right? But they think this is crazy, right? But they think this is crazy, right? But I swear on my life that you I could do I swear on my life that you I could do I swear on my life that you I could do this in a variety of circumstances, this in a variety of circumstances, this in a variety of circumstances, while driving, anything, and he would while driving, anything, and he would while driving, anything, and he would react according to the react according to the react according to the the energy that I was sending out. As a the energy that I was sending out. As a the energy that I was sending out. As a neuroscientist, I can make up some neuroscientist, I can make up some neuroscientist, I can make up some story. Okay, well, we have fish have story. Okay, well, we have fish have story. Okay, well, we have fish have electric sensing I can make up a story electric sensing I can make up a story electric sensing I can make up a story in neurology, neuroscience that would in neurology, neuroscience that would in neurology, neuroscience that would more or less hold together. But I want more or less hold together. But I want more or less hold together. But I want to know your impression of what What is to know your impression of what What is to know your impression of what What is this and and then hopefully that will this and and then hopefully that will this and and then hopefully that will take us into a discussion more about take us into a discussion more about take us into a discussion more about energy exchange between all sorts of energy exchange between all sorts of energy exchange between all sorts of beings. beings. beings. >> Well, you know, silence is very >> Well, you know, silence is very >> Well, you know, silence is very powerful. Right? Uh um powerful. Right? Uh um powerful. Right? Uh um the the power of prayer. Uh the the power of prayer. Uh the the power of prayer. Uh my mom certainly is always connected. Uh my mom certainly is always connected. Uh my mom certainly is always connected. Uh you know, when I cross the border, I you know, when I cross the border, I you know, when I cross the border, I feel my mom. feel my mom. feel my mom. You know, I jumped the border. And so, You know, I jumped the border. And so, You know, I jumped the border. And so, jumping the border is a life and death jumping the border is a life and death jumping the border is a life and death thing, right? And then so, you you you thing, right? And then so, you you you thing, right? And then so, you you you give yourself to God and then of course, give yourself to God and then of course, give yourself to God and then of course, you know, your mom is is always thinking you know, your mom is is always thinking you know, your mom is is always thinking about you. So, you feel this energy uh about you. So, you feel this energy uh about you. So, you feel this energy uh that is done by the by the prayer or by that is done by the by the prayer or by that is done by the by the prayer or by the silence. You are what you believe. the silence. You are what you believe. the silence. You are what you believe. And so, if you believe you can connect And so, if you believe you can connect And so, if you believe you can connect and you communicate this way cuz you and you communicate this way cuz you and you communicate this way cuz you you're going to be I mean, the fact that you're going to be I mean, the fact that you're going to be I mean, the fact that people are not aware of energy, we can people are not aware of energy, we can people are not aware of energy, we can feel that the person doesn't feel good. feel that the person doesn't feel good. feel that the person doesn't feel good. And we're not we don't even know each And we're not we don't even know each And we're not we don't even know each other. other. other. You know, so imagine if we humans are You know, so imagine if we humans are You know, so imagine if we humans are sensitive to that, all animals never sensitive to that, all animals never sensitive to that, all animals never stop this way of being. stop this way of being. stop this way of being. Right? The sensitivity of animals that Right? The sensitivity of animals that Right? The sensitivity of animals that they don't go into the mind, they stay they don't go into the mind, they stay they don't go into the mind, they stay within their instinct because that's how within their instinct because that's how within their instinct because that's how they stay safe, you know, and and they stay safe, you know, and and they stay safe, you know, and and maintain the peace. maintain the peace. maintain the peace. And so, uh what you did was exactly And so, uh what you did was exactly And so, uh what you did was exactly that. Don't talk. that. Don't talk. that. Don't talk. Don't talk with words, talk with energy, Don't talk with words, talk with energy, Don't talk with words, talk with energy, body language, and intention, you know? body language, and intention, you know? body language, and intention, you know? How how do you become the best dog How how do you become the best dog How how do you become the best dog trainer in the world? Because that's all trainer in the world? Because that's all trainer in the world? Because that's all you think about. you think about. you think about. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> That's all you think about it, you know? >> That's all you think about it, you know? >> That's all you think about it, you know? Even when you go to sleep, even when you Even when you go to sleep, even when you Even when you go to sleep, even when you know you're nobody, you're not about it. know you're nobody, you're not about it. know you're nobody, you're not about it. That's So, you create the law of That's So, you create the law of That's So, you create the law of attraction. You create the law of of attraction. You create the law of of attraction. You create the law of of creation. The most difficult law is the creation. The most difficult law is the creation. The most difficult law is the law of maintenance. Right? Cuz it's easy law of maintenance. Right? Cuz it's easy law of maintenance. Right? Cuz it's easy to attract, it's easy to create. What's to attract, it's easy to create. What's to attract, it's easy to create. What's hardest to maintain. hardest to maintain. hardest to maintain. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? >> Right? >> Right? And that's why patience is so important And that's why patience is so important And that's why patience is so important or silence is so important, yeah? Cuz or silence is so important, yeah? Cuz or silence is so important, yeah? Cuz it's This one is is infinite. It's an it's This one is is infinite. It's an it's This one is is infinite. It's an infinite energy. So, if you feel that, infinite energy. So, if you feel that, infinite energy. So, if you feel that, imagine how powerful you become. And imagine how powerful you become. And imagine how powerful you become. And then just to be right here where you are then just to be right here where you are then just to be right here where you are claiming your space. claiming your space. claiming your space. Calm. Calm. Calm. That gives you another power cuz that That gives you another power cuz that That gives you another power cuz that gives the animals the capability to gives the animals the capability to gives the animals the capability to trust. And then your intention, right? trust. And then your intention, right? trust. And then your intention, right? What is it that you want without words? What is it that you want without words? What is it that you want without words? Uh just don't want you to be over there. Uh just don't want you to be over there. Uh just don't want you to be over there. I just don't want you to go after that I just don't want you to go after that I just don't want you to go after that dog. I just want you to stop doing what dog. I just want you to stop doing what dog. I just want you to stop doing what you're doing cuz think about when cats you're doing cuz think about when cats you're doing cuz think about when cats communicate with a dog. communicate with a dog. communicate with a dog. It's a completely different species, but It's a completely different species, but It's a completely different species, but can a cat control a dog? The same way can a cat control a dog? The same way can a cat control a dog? The same way you did. Same. Silence, calm, confident. you did. Same. Silence, calm, confident. you did. Same. Silence, calm, confident. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] So, that's that's that's why a cat can So, that's that's that's why a cat can So, that's that's that's why a cat can control a Rottweiler and a pitbull, control a Rottweiler and a pitbull, control a Rottweiler and a pitbull, right? When people feel, oh, it's a it's right? When people feel, oh, it's a it's right? When people feel, oh, it's a it's a very dangerous breed. At the moment a very dangerous breed. At the moment a very dangerous breed. At the moment you think something is dangerous, you you think something is dangerous, you you think something is dangerous, you you give your power away. you give your power away. you give your power away. Right? At the moment you bring silence, Right? At the moment you bring silence, Right? At the moment you bring silence, calmness, confidence, you regain your calmness, confidence, you regain your calmness, confidence, you regain your power back. power back. power back. And that's the first line of And that's the first line of And that's the first line of communication before sound. communication before sound. communication before sound. But most people focus on, I want to But most people focus on, I want to But most people focus on, I want to train my dog. I want my dog to listen to train my dog. I want my dog to listen to train my dog. I want my dog to listen to commands. No, no, no, no. You want your commands. No, no, no, no. You want your commands. No, no, no, no. You want your dog to listen to to silence, to your dog to listen to to silence, to your dog to listen to to silence, to your calmness, to what's in your mind without calmness, to what's in your mind without calmness, to what's in your mind without saying a word. saying a word. saying a word. >> That's exactly it right there. That was >> That's exactly it right there. That was >> That's exactly it right there. That was the the the the relationship with Costello improved the relationship with Costello improved the relationship with Costello improved an order of magnitude when I understood an order of magnitude when I understood an order of magnitude when I understood that. That I could talk to him all day that. That I could talk to him all day that. That I could talk to him all day or say whatever, or say whatever, or say whatever, it had a very little potency it had a very little potency it had a very little potency >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> compared to how I would show up. And >> compared to how I would show up. And >> compared to how I would show up. And then it also taught me a lot, of course, then it also taught me a lot, of course, then it also taught me a lot, of course, about how to arrive home, about how to arrive home, about how to arrive home, >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> how to walk into a You know, I'd bring >> how to walk into a You know, I'd bring >> how to walk into a You know, I'd bring him to class. I taught at you know, 400 him to class. I taught at you know, 400 him to class. I taught at you know, 400 person class, he would walk in. It was person class, he would walk in. It was person class, he would walk in. It was very interesting. Everyone you know, very interesting. Everyone you know, very interesting. Everyone you know, "Oh, dog." Dogs Most professors wouldn't "Oh, dog." Dogs Most professors wouldn't "Oh, dog." Dogs Most professors wouldn't bring their dogs to class. bring their dogs to class. bring their dogs to class. And he knew it was all there. Typical And he knew it was all there. Typical And he knew it was all there. Typical Costello, you know, he would just kind Costello, you know, he would just kind Costello, you know, he would just kind of walk to the front of the classroom. of walk to the front of the classroom. of walk to the front of the classroom. He'd wait a few minutes, not look at He'd wait a few minutes, not look at He'd wait a few minutes, not look at anybody, and then he he would decide. anybody, and then he he would decide. anybody, and then he he would decide. He'd just like glare at all the He could He'd just like glare at all the He could He'd just like glare at all the He could light up a room. But I understood that light up a room. But I understood that light up a room. But I understood that I wouldn't let him be like the too much I wouldn't let him be like the too much I wouldn't let him be like the too much of a celebrity or else he would start of a celebrity or else he would start of a celebrity or else he would start misbehaving. I had to remind him like, misbehaving. I had to remind him like, misbehaving. I had to remind him like, you know, we have a structure and an you know, we have a structure and an you know, we have a structure and an order and order and order and >> correct. >> correct. >> correct. >> And I do think that people would benefit >> And I do think that people would benefit >> And I do think that people would benefit so much from getting in touch with this so much from getting in touch with this so much from getting in touch with this capacity that they have to sense their capacity that they have to sense their capacity that they have to sense their own energy and the energy of other own energy and the energy of other own energy and the energy of other people regardless of people regardless of people regardless of they have a dog. they have a dog. they have a dog. >> Well, you know, Americans go to India to >> Well, you know, Americans go to India to >> Well, you know, Americans go to India to be quiet, be quiet, be quiet, right? And then to to to practice not right? And then to to to practice not right? And then to to to practice not eating, which they call fasting, eating, which they call fasting, eating, which they call fasting, right? And then to stretch. right? And then to stretch. right? And then to stretch. That's practically it. It's silence, you That's practically it. It's silence, you That's practically it. It's silence, you know, learn how to breathe, and then know, learn how to breathe, and then know, learn how to breathe, and then stretch. Gives you a little bit, you stretch. Gives you a little bit, you stretch. Gives you a little bit, you know, agility into it. And you learn to know, agility into it. And you learn to know, agility into it. And you learn to control hunger. control hunger. control hunger. Which in another country, that's what we Which in another country, that's what we Which in another country, that's what we learn. learn. learn. Right? We learn to control hunger. We Right? We learn to control hunger. We Right? We learn to control hunger. We learn to be quiet. We learn to be calm. learn to be quiet. We learn to be calm. learn to be quiet. We learn to be calm. We learn, you know, whatever we know, we We learn, you know, whatever we know, we We learn, you know, whatever we know, we do really good at it. We become really do really good at it. We become really do really good at it. We become really good farmers, really good animal people, good farmers, really good animal people, good farmers, really good animal people, right? And family people, you know, God right? And family people, you know, God right? And family people, you know, God people. And and so we have a good a people. And and so we have a good a people. And and so we have a good a structure, good discipline, and such a structure, good discipline, and such a structure, good discipline, and such a basic, simple stuff. And that's what basic, simple stuff. And that's what basic, simple stuff. And that's what gives us the the upper hand of uh gives us the the upper hand of uh gives us the the upper hand of uh walk a dog off leash. When I when I walk a dog off leash. When I when I walk a dog off leash. When I when I started walking dogs in America, I started walking dogs in America, I started walking dogs in America, I didn't know it was illegal to walk dogs didn't know it was illegal to walk dogs didn't know it was illegal to walk dogs off leash. off leash. off leash. I was walking 40 60 dogs at a time. I was walking 40 60 dogs at a time. I was walking 40 60 dogs at a time. Right? And I was doing it off leash Right? And I was doing it off leash Right? And I was doing it off leash because that's all I knew. because that's all I knew. because that's all I knew. Mhm. You see it? And so that that um Mhm. You see it? And so that that um Mhm. You see it? And so that that um that energy of silence, calmness, that energy of silence, calmness, that energy of silence, calmness, confidence is what now I now that I confidence is what now I now that I confidence is what now I now that I understand what I did is what led me to understand what I did is what led me to understand what I did is what led me to this event, you know, for people who see this event, you know, for people who see this event, you know, for people who see me from Inglewood to South Central. It's me from Inglewood to South Central. It's me from Inglewood to South Central. It's a Mexican guy that walks a pack of dogs a Mexican guy that walks a pack of dogs a Mexican guy that walks a pack of dogs from Inglewood to South Central off from Inglewood to South Central off from Inglewood to South Central off leash. That's when the LA Times came and leash. That's when the LA Times came and leash. That's when the LA Times came and and did a piece of me cuz they didn't and did a piece of me cuz they didn't and did a piece of me cuz they didn't they couldn't understand, you know, this they couldn't understand, you know, this they couldn't understand, you know, this concept of walking a dog off leash. This concept of walking a dog off leash. This concept of walking a dog off leash. This dog shaman or something. dog shaman or something. dog shaman or something. >> in the land of the free, right? Cuz you >> in the land of the free, right? Cuz you >> in the land of the free, right? Cuz you know, dogs in America have rights, but know, dogs in America have rights, but know, dogs in America have rights, but that doesn't mean they can walk off that doesn't mean they can walk off that doesn't mean they can walk off leash. leash. leash. >> Mhm. You see it? A dog has to be on a >> Mhm. You see it? A dog has to be on a >> Mhm. You see it? A dog has to be on a leash. And humans have to learn leash. And humans have to learn leash. And humans have to learn uh to to transmit that energy through uh to to transmit that energy through uh to to transmit that energy through the leash because there's a lot of dogs the leash because there's a lot of dogs the leash because there's a lot of dogs that react on the leash. When the dog that react on the leash. When the dog that react on the leash. When the dog should be the most well-behaved, then should be the most well-behaved, then should be the most well-behaved, then the dog is off the leash. the dog is off the leash. the dog is off the leash. You see it? But the leash in the animal You see it? But the leash in the animal You see it? But the leash in the animal world is trust, respect, love. world is trust, respect, love. world is trust, respect, love. The the the leash in the animal world is The the the leash in the animal world is The the the leash in the animal world is a human understanding, you know, a human understanding, you know, a human understanding, you know, silence, calmness, confidence, love, silence, calmness, confidence, love, silence, calmness, confidence, love, joy. And that's pack leader, direction, joy. And that's pack leader, direction, joy. And that's pack leader, direction, protection. Right? That's the only way protection. Right? That's the only way protection. Right? That's the only way you can say I'm a pack leader. Right? you can say I'm a pack leader. Right? you can say I'm a pack leader. Right? Cuz you are that energy. Cuz you are that energy. Cuz you are that energy. >> I'd like to take a quick break and >> I'd like to take a quick break and >> I'd like to take a quick break and acknowledge one of our sponsors, acknowledge one of our sponsors, acknowledge one of our sponsors, Element. 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Should the dog always be next to you or Should the dog always be next to you or Should the dog always be next to you or behind you? Uh is there ever an instance behind you? Uh is there ever an instance behind you? Uh is there ever an instance where the dog should walk out in front where the dog should walk out in front where the dog should walk out in front of you? And as I say this, we both of you? And as I say this, we both of you? And as I say this, we both realize many people walk with their dog realize many people walk with their dog realize many people walk with their dog in front of them. So, could you tell us in front of them. So, could you tell us in front of them. So, could you tell us about the concept of where the dog is about the concept of where the dog is about the concept of where the dog is relative to relative to relative to >> But think about it. Look at it this way. >> But think about it. Look at it this way. >> But think about it. Look at it this way. So, people can can uh uh adopt the the So, people can can uh uh adopt the the So, people can can uh uh adopt the the concept quicker cuz the if you learn how concept quicker cuz the if you learn how concept quicker cuz the if you learn how to walk a dog, uh to walk a dog, uh to walk a dog, uh it would eliminate 90% of the problems. it would eliminate 90% of the problems. it would eliminate 90% of the problems. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> The [clears throat] other 10% will be >> The [clears throat] other 10% will be >> The [clears throat] other 10% will be rules, boundaries, limitations. Right, rules, boundaries, limitations. Right, rules, boundaries, limitations. Right, that's it. that's it. that's it. Um Um Um So, when a dog is a pup, he follows his So, when a dog is a pup, he follows his So, when a dog is a pup, he follows his parents. parents. parents. Right? And then he plays, then he Right? And then he plays, then he Right? And then he plays, then he explore. But the first activity he explore. But the first activity he explore. But the first activity he learns is to follow. Follow, play, learns is to follow. Follow, play, learns is to follow. Follow, play, explore. So, play and explore becomes explore. So, play and explore becomes explore. So, play and explore becomes like a reward activities. like a reward activities. like a reward activities. That's the Chuck E. Cheese time. That's the Chuck E. Cheese time. That's the Chuck E. Cheese time. Right? Right. And And so, the follow is Right? Right. And And so, the follow is Right? Right. And And so, the follow is the one they learn, you know, the rules, the one they learn, you know, the rules, the one they learn, you know, the rules, boundaries, limitations. They learn to boundaries, limitations. They learn to boundaries, limitations. They learn to to stay focused and not get distracted. to stay focused and not get distracted. to stay focused and not get distracted. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> So, naturally, dogs, >> So, naturally, dogs, >> So, naturally, dogs, they need to learn to follow. they need to learn to follow. they need to learn to follow. When they go in front of you, When they go in front of you, When they go in front of you, they are in the mind of a player they are in the mind of a player they are in the mind of a player explore. But at the same time, explore. But at the same time, explore. But at the same time, if you do this every day, the dog learn if you do this every day, the dog learn if you do this every day, the dog learn that you he has to lead you to places. that you he has to lead you to places. that you he has to lead you to places. >> Is that stressful for the dog? >> Is that stressful for the dog? >> Is that stressful for the dog? >> If a dog is middle of the pack and back >> If a dog is middle of the pack and back >> If a dog is middle of the pack and back of the pack, yes. If a dog is front of of the pack, yes. If a dog is front of of the pack, yes. If a dog is front of the pack, no. the pack, no. the pack, no. You see it? And so, it very important in You see it? And so, it very important in You see it? And so, it very important in order for people to have a front of the order for people to have a front of the order for people to have a front of the pack dog, they need a lot of knowledge. pack dog, they need a lot of knowledge. pack dog, they need a lot of knowledge. And so, most dogs are perfect And so, most dogs are perfect And so, most dogs are perfect middles or back. The back should be the middles or back. The back should be the middles or back. The back should be the easiest one. But when people don't do easiest one. But when people don't do easiest one. But when people don't do the right thing with the back, he the right thing with the back, he the right thing with the back, he becomes fearful. becomes fearful. becomes fearful. Uh the middle of the pack should be the Uh the middle of the pack should be the Uh the middle of the pack should be the one for the families because it is one for the families because it is one for the families because it is naturally happy-go-lucky. But if you do naturally happy-go-lucky. But if you do naturally happy-go-lucky. But if you do too much excitement, they become hyper. too much excitement, they become hyper. too much excitement, they become hyper. You see it? And You see it? And You see it? And >> is across breeds? >> is across breeds? >> is across breeds? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Doesn't matter if it's a bulldog or a, >> Doesn't matter if it's a bulldog or a, >> Doesn't matter if it's a bulldog or a, you know, a you know, a you know, a >> In every litter, there's front of the >> In every litter, there's front of the >> In every litter, there's front of the pack, middle of the pack, back of the pack, middle of the pack, back of the pack, middle of the pack, back of the pack. But it's more back of the packs pack. But it's more back of the packs pack. But it's more back of the packs being born, like followers, then it's being born, like followers, then it's being born, like followers, then it's only one per litter, a litter of the only one per litter, a litter of the only one per litter, a litter of the pack. So, that's That's what they call pack. So, that's That's what they call pack. So, that's That's what they call in the in the breeder world, pick of the in the in the breeder world, pick of the in the in the breeder world, pick of the litter. litter. litter. You see it? So, in a in a litter of You see it? So, in a in a litter of You see it? So, in a in a litter of German Shepherds, only one it can be a German Shepherds, only one it can be a German Shepherds, only one it can be a police officers. The other one is pet police officers. The other one is pet police officers. The other one is pet quality or they call them the run of the quality or they call them the run of the quality or they call them the run of the litter. litter. litter. Back of the pack, sensitive. Middle of Back of the pack, sensitive. Middle of Back of the pack, sensitive. Middle of the pack, happy-go-lucky. Is the HR of the pack, happy-go-lucky. Is the HR of the pack, happy-go-lucky. Is the HR of the fam of the pack. Is the middle of the fam of the pack. Is the middle of the fam of the pack. Is the middle of the pack, right? And then the front of the pack, right? And then the front of the pack, right? And then the front of the pack is the one that gives the pack is the one that gives the pack is the one that gives direction, protection. direction, protection. direction, protection. >> Ideally for a family or for a typical >> Ideally for a family or for a typical >> Ideally for a family or for a typical domestic situation, I'm thinking United domestic situation, I'm thinking United domestic situation, I'm thinking United States, but elsewheres because this is States, but elsewheres because this is States, but elsewheres because this is going everywhere in the this this going everywhere in the this this going everywhere in the this this episode will go everywhere. Middle or episode will go everywhere. Middle or episode will go everywhere. Middle or back of the mid pack? back of the mid pack? back of the mid pack? >> Middle. >> Middle. >> Middle. >> Yeah. A family who has never raised a >> Yeah. A family who has never raised a >> Yeah. A family who has never raised a dog together, yeah, middle. dog together, yeah, middle. dog together, yeah, middle. >> How can you assess the litter when you >> How can you assess the litter when you >> How can you assess the litter when you see them so that you pick a middle of see them so that you pick a middle of see them so that you pick a middle of the pack dog the pack dog the pack dog >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> if that's what's appropriate. Sounds >> if that's what's appropriate. Sounds >> if that's what's appropriate. Sounds like that's the that's the goal. like that's the that's the goal. like that's the that's the goal. >> The front is going to be very easy to >> The front is going to be very easy to >> The front is going to be very easy to to assess because he's going to be the to assess because he's going to be the to assess because he's going to be the biggest one. He's going to be the one biggest one. He's going to be the one biggest one. He's going to be the one that's moving the sisters and the that's moving the sisters and the that's moving the sisters and the brothers away from the mom. brothers away from the mom. brothers away from the mom. Right? He's He's already going to Right? He's He's already going to Right? He's He's already going to practice dominance. practice dominance. practice dominance. And then the middle is is is is the And then the middle is is is is the And then the middle is is is is the second to get to the mother. And the second to get to the mother. And the second to get to the mother. And the back of the pack, they're always wait. back of the pack, they're always wait. back of the pack, they're always wait. You see it? They're more shy. Naturally, You see it? They're more shy. Naturally, You see it? They're more shy. Naturally, they're just sensitive. they're just sensitive. they're just sensitive. >> What if you don't have access to the >> What if you don't have access to the >> What if you don't have access to the interaction with the mother? Having gone interaction with the mother? Having gone interaction with the mother? Having gone to pick up puppies a few times, to pick up puppies a few times, to pick up puppies a few times, sometimes you just see the puppies, the sometimes you just see the puppies, the sometimes you just see the puppies, the mom's in another room. Should you ask to mom's in another room. Should you ask to mom's in another room. Should you ask to watch the interaction and if you and if watch the interaction and if you and if watch the interaction and if you and if you can't, how can you assess if you're you can't, how can you assess if you're you can't, how can you assess if you're just looking at the litter? just looking at the litter? just looking at the litter? >> if you are in a situation, the breeder >> if you are in a situation, the breeder >> if you are in a situation, the breeder knows because that's why they put knows because that's why they put knows because that's why they put ribbons, you know, color ribbons. ribbons, you know, color ribbons. ribbons, you know, color ribbons. [clears throat] So so they so they know, [clears throat] So so they so they know, [clears throat] So so they so they know, okay, this is middle, this is our back. okay, this is middle, this is our back. okay, this is middle, this is our back. Even though they don't call them that Even though they don't call them that Even though they don't call them that way, they just call them round of the way, they just call them round of the way, they just call them round of the back round of the litter, you know, back round of the litter, you know, back round of the litter, you know, pet quality, up front of the pack. And pet quality, up front of the pack. And pet quality, up front of the pack. And the front of the pack is just the the front of the pack is just the the front of the pack is just the obvious one. obvious one. obvious one. Right? And so when Right? And so when Right? And so when just go inside, you know, where where just go inside, you know, where where just go inside, you know, where where where the puppies are and there's no where the puppies are and there's no where the puppies are and there's no mother or nothing, just stay quiet. And mother or nothing, just stay quiet. And mother or nothing, just stay quiet. And every time you present something new, every time you present something new, every time you present something new, you're going to see the more confident you're going to see the more confident you're going to see the more confident coming to coming to coming to and the more happy-go-lucky coming to. and the more happy-go-lucky coming to. and the more happy-go-lucky coming to. And the back of the pack, he doesn't get And the back of the pack, he doesn't get And the back of the pack, he doesn't get close. close. close. Anything new, it just can be a pillow. Anything new, it just can be a pillow. Anything new, it just can be a pillow. And that's the first time they And that's the first time they And that's the first time they experience a pillow and the front of the experience a pillow and the front of the experience a pillow and the front of the pack will go. pack will go. pack will go. And the and the middle of the pack will And the and the middle of the pack will And the and the middle of the pack will go and play. go and play. go and play. >> It's hardwired. >> It's hardwired. >> It's hardwired. >> It is it's there. That's why you can >> It is it's there. That's why you can >> It is it's there. That's why you can guarantee good behavior. guarantee good behavior. guarantee good behavior. Right? Cuz now you Okay, I want a middle Right? Cuz now you Okay, I want a middle Right? Cuz now you Okay, I want a middle of the pack border collie. I want a of the pack border collie. I want a of the pack border collie. I want a middle of the pack golden retriever. I middle of the pack golden retriever. I middle of the pack golden retriever. I want a middle of the pack pitbull. You want a middle of the pack pitbull. You want a middle of the pack pitbull. You can have it. You see cuz that's going to can have it. You see cuz that's going to can have it. You see cuz that's going to guarantee you exactly what you want. guarantee you exactly what you want. guarantee you exactly what you want. It's going to be easier for you to tell It's going to be easier for you to tell It's going to be easier for you to tell them what to do because it was born them what to do because it was born them what to do because it was born naturally a follower. naturally a follower. naturally a follower. Versus if you get a front of the pack Versus if you get a front of the pack Versus if you get a front of the pack whatever breed, chihuahua, I don't care whatever breed, chihuahua, I don't care whatever breed, chihuahua, I don't care what it is. what it is. what it is. They they're born They they're born They they're born you know, with with the disposition of you know, with with the disposition of you know, with with the disposition of giving direction, protection. So whoever giving direction, protection. So whoever giving direction, protection. So whoever human wants to you know, live with them human wants to you know, live with them human wants to you know, live with them needs to have more knowledge. needs to have more knowledge. needs to have more knowledge. Right? So that's me running a pack of Right? So that's me running a pack of Right? So that's me running a pack of dogs and having different animals, the dogs and having different animals, the dogs and having different animals, the animals know that I have a big energy. animals know that I have a big energy. animals know that I have a big energy. They don't know I have 43 acres, they They don't know I have 43 acres, they They don't know I have 43 acres, they just know I have a land. just know I have a land. just know I have a land. >> And that you're in charge of it. >> And that you're in charge of it. >> And that you're in charge of it. >> Yeah, and then all the ups and downs >> Yeah, and then all the ups and downs >> Yeah, and then all the ups and downs that I went through and I have been the that I went through and I have been the that I went through and I have been the wars that I go through. wars that I go through. wars that I go through. Right? The divorces and all of that Right? The divorces and all of that Right? The divorces and all of that stuff. And I went through and and and stuff. And I went through and and and stuff. And I went through and and and and I and I I'm I find my silence, my and I and I I'm I find my silence, my and I and I I'm I find my silence, my calmness, my confidence, my love, my joy calmness, my confidence, my love, my joy calmness, my confidence, my love, my joy right back. right back. right back. They know my energy is big. They know my energy is big. They know my energy is big. Right? So So that I can have a front of Right? So So that I can have a front of Right? So So that I can have a front of the pack. the pack. the pack. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But I don't have one. >> But I don't have one. >> But I don't have one. I have middles and back. I have middles and back. I have middles and back. >> Even you. >> Even you. >> Even you. >> Even me. >> Even me. >> Even me. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, cuz it would re- it would require >> Yeah, cuz it would re- it would require >> Yeah, cuz it would re- it would require so much so much so much I would need to find him a job. I would need to find him a job. I would need to find him a job. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You see what I'm saying? Like a like a >> You see what I'm saying? Like a like a >> You see what I'm saying? Like a like a border patrol, something like that, border patrol, something like that, border patrol, something like that, looking for looking for looking for >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> for looking for the bad guys. Like that >> for looking for the bad guys. Like that >> for looking for the bad guys. Like that would be a job. It's just one officer would be a job. It's just one officer would be a job. It's just one officer and one dog. He doesn't need the pack. and one dog. He doesn't need the pack. and one dog. He doesn't need the pack. >> Fascinating. I I'm sure like many people >> Fascinating. I I'm sure like many people >> Fascinating. I I'm sure like many people listening, I'm trying to figure out was listening, I'm trying to figure out was listening, I'm trying to figure out was Costello front of the back. I think he Costello front of the back. I think he Costello front of the back. I think he was. Um he's an enormous dog. I mean uh was. Um he's an enormous dog. I mean uh was. Um he's an enormous dog. I mean uh even within his litter. And um when I even within his litter. And um when I even within his litter. And um when I went to go pick up Well, I'd met him as went to go pick up Well, I'd met him as went to go pick up Well, I'd met him as a 3-week-old puppy. He was the one a 3-week-old puppy. He was the one a 3-week-old puppy. He was the one butting all the other ones out, eating butting all the other ones out, eating butting all the other ones out, eating from their food bowls. from their food bowls. from their food bowls. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> He was >> He was >> He was >> They claim. >> They claim. >> They claim. >> Yeah, he didn't yelp uh didn't yap at >> Yeah, he didn't yelp uh didn't yap at >> Yeah, he didn't yelp uh didn't yap at all. He just ate everything, all. He just ate everything, all. He just ate everything, >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> took everything, peed where he wanted >> took everything, peed where he wanted >> took everything, peed where he wanted to, did everything. to, did everything. to, did everything. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So there was a lot It was a difficult >> So there was a lot It was a difficult >> So there was a lot It was a difficult thing raising him. This new one, thing raising him. This new one, thing raising him. This new one, Strummer, who's 4 and 1/2 months, he's Strummer, who's 4 and 1/2 months, he's Strummer, who's 4 and 1/2 months, he's definitely middle, maybe even back of definitely middle, maybe even back of definitely middle, maybe even back of the pack, but the pack, but the pack, but >> sensitive. >> sensitive. >> sensitive. >> he was second out uh when he was born, >> he was second out uh when he was born, >> he was second out uh when he was born, and they said, "Oh, you know, he's going and they said, "Oh, you know, he's going and they said, "Oh, you know, he's going to be the pick of the litter." They said to be the pick of the litter." They said to be the pick of the litter." They said it, but it's definitely not. He would it, but it's definitely not. He would it, but it's definitely not. He would you know, quickly it was clear that he you know, quickly it was clear that he you know, quickly it was clear that he kind of kept a little bit distance. He kind of kept a little bit distance. He kind of kept a little bit distance. He is very sensitive. is very sensitive. is very sensitive. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> That's good. Much sweeter. >> That's good. Much sweeter. >> That's good. Much sweeter. >> Yeah, sensitive. >> Yeah, sensitive. >> Yeah, sensitive. >> Yeah, much more playful. >> Yeah, much more playful. >> Yeah, much more playful. >> As middle. >> As middle. >> As middle. >> Um and that's the part that I have to >> Um and that's the part that I have to >> Um and that's the part that I have to work with because they enchant us, you work with because they enchant us, you work with because they enchant us, you know, like I noticed with Strummer he he know, like I noticed with Strummer he he know, like I noticed with Strummer he he is figured out, you know, that if he is figured out, you know, that if he is figured out, you know, that if he gets into play mode, it lights me up, gets into play mode, it lights me up, gets into play mode, it lights me up, and then I have to remember to stay in and then I have to remember to stay in and then I have to remember to stay in my my my >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> in my place, my proper place. Because >> in my place, my proper place. Because >> in my place, my proper place. Because I'm trying to teach him here this is the I'm trying to teach him here this is the I'm trying to teach him here this is the order of things. It's very important cuz order of things. It's very important cuz order of things. It's very important cuz I want to break be able to bring him I want to break be able to bring him I want to break be able to bring him anywhere. anywhere. anywhere. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> in a room alone with little kids and >> in a room alone with little kids and >> in a room alone with little kids and trust completely that he's not going to trust completely that he's not going to trust completely that he's not going to accidentally do something. accidentally do something. accidentally do something. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> For people that want to learn to sense >> For people that want to learn to sense >> For people that want to learn to sense their own energy, use their energy their own energy, use their energy their own energy, use their energy field, field, field, >> should they also be asking if they are >> should they also be asking if they are >> should they also be asking if they are front, middle, or back of pack? front, middle, or back of pack? front, middle, or back of pack? >> yeah? >> yeah? >> yeah? >> Yeah. In the [clears throat] human >> Yeah. In the [clears throat] human >> Yeah. In the [clears throat] human world. This is something that's a little world. This is something that's a little world. This is something that's a little bit of a sensitive topic, right? Because bit of a sensitive topic, right? Because bit of a sensitive topic, right? Because every guy wants to say, "Yeah, I'm going every guy wants to say, "Yeah, I'm going every guy wants to say, "Yeah, I'm going to alpha and not to be Everyone thinks to alpha and not to be Everyone thinks to alpha and not to be Everyone thinks that way." I like to think in different that way." I like to think in different that way." I like to think in different circumstances people can move up or down circumstances people can move up or down circumstances people can move up or down the the the the the the >> The human can. >> The human can. >> The human can. >> hierarchy. I mean, I work with a lot of >> hierarchy. I mean, I work with a lot of >> hierarchy. I mean, I work with a lot of scientists and I can tell you in many scientists and I can tell you in many scientists and I can tell you in many environments that they don't come across environments that they don't come across environments that they don't come across as alphas, but you put them in a as alphas, but you put them in a as alphas, but you put them in a laboratory or a lecture environment and laboratory or a lecture environment and laboratory or a lecture environment and I mean, they own their space because I mean, they own their space because I mean, they own their space because that's their expertise. So, it can move that's their expertise. So, it can move that's their expertise. So, it can move around. But, around. But, around. But, can you can you can you explain what it is to observe oneself, explain what it is to observe oneself, explain what it is to observe oneself, really think honestly about oneself, and really think honestly about oneself, and really think honestly about oneself, and where one really lies in this Let's where one really lies in this Let's where one really lies in this Let's Let's call it what it is. It's a It's a Let's call it what it is. It's a It's a Let's call it what it is. It's a It's a It's a hierarchy, but that makes it It's a hierarchy, but that makes it It's a hierarchy, but that makes it sound like one is better. It just is sound like one is better. It just is sound like one is better. It just is what it is. You're either front, middle, what it is. You're either front, middle, what it is. You're either front, middle, or back of pack human. or back of pack human. or back of pack human. >> That's the the special magic, right? >> That's the the special magic, right? >> That's the the special magic, right? Being Being back of the pack means the Being Being back of the pack means the Being Being back of the pack means the master calm surrender. So, we have to master calm surrender. So, we have to master calm surrender. So, we have to learn to to master calm surrender. learn to to master calm surrender. learn to to master calm surrender. That's our more sensitive state of mind, That's our more sensitive state of mind, That's our more sensitive state of mind, right? This is So, when I'm assessing right? This is So, when I'm assessing right? This is So, when I'm assessing and evaluating a dog, I go into my calm and evaluating a dog, I go into my calm and evaluating a dog, I go into my calm surrender state. So, I go in the back of surrender state. So, I go in the back of surrender state. So, I go in the back of the pack. the pack. the pack. Right? When it's time for me to give Right? When it's time for me to give Right? When it's time for me to give direction and protection, I go to the direction and protection, I go to the direction and protection, I go to the front of the pack. When I achieve front of the pack. When I achieve front of the pack. When I achieve whatever I need to achieve, I go into whatever I need to achieve, I go into whatever I need to achieve, I go into the middle of the pack. the middle of the pack. the middle of the pack. You see it? So, the human You see it? So, the human You see it? So, the human can can can can can can can can can can take advantage of this position of can take advantage of this position of can take advantage of this position of this of this state of mind. this of this state of mind. this of this state of mind. Right? The dog, [clears throat] the back Right? The dog, [clears throat] the back Right? The dog, [clears throat] the back of the pack dog of the pack dog of the pack dog is is going to is going to tell you, is is going to is going to tell you, is is going to is going to tell you, "Listen, I'm here to master calm "Listen, I'm here to master calm "Listen, I'm here to master calm surrender. It doesn't mean I don't do surrender. It doesn't mean I don't do surrender. It doesn't mean I don't do happy-go-lucky. happy-go-lucky. happy-go-lucky. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> But, he can never do calm confident. >> But, he can never do calm confident. >> But, he can never do calm confident. >> Back of pack can't do front of the pack. >> Back of pack can't do front of the pack. >> Back of pack can't do front of the pack. >> Never. Never. Never. >> Never. Never. Never. >> Never. Never. Never. >> And are we talking humans and dogs now? >> And are we talking humans and dogs now? >> And are we talking humans and dogs now? If we're really transparent? If we're really transparent? If we're really transparent? >> Well, it's just to have that fine line >> Well, it's just to have that fine line >> Well, it's just to have that fine line between what the human can do, right? between what the human can do, right? between what the human can do, right? What What What versus what the dog can't. versus what the dog can't. versus what the dog can't. Right? So, it's important to understand, Right? So, it's important to understand, Right? So, it's important to understand, you know, that a dog is born with a you know, that a dog is born with a you know, that a dog is born with a position, right? And the human can go position, right? And the human can go position, right? And the human can go from whatever position he was born to from whatever position he was born to from whatever position he was born to different positions, right? Cuz different positions, right? Cuz different positions, right? Cuz there's a lot of like you say there's a there's a lot of like you say there's a there's a lot of like you say there's a lot of scientists people lot of scientists people lot of scientists people who are who are very brilliant on this who are who are very brilliant on this who are who are very brilliant on this side, but when it comes to a dog, a dog side, but when it comes to a dog, a dog side, but when it comes to a dog, a dog takes over. takes over. takes over. >> Oh, yeah, or even just at a coffee shop, >> Oh, yeah, or even just at a coffee shop, >> Oh, yeah, or even just at a coffee shop, you know, they're they sort of they they you know, they're they sort of they they you know, they're they sort of they they become a smaller version of themselves. become a smaller version of themselves. become a smaller version of themselves. Not because they're weak, it's just it's Not because they're weak, it's just it's Not because they're weak, it's just it's not their domain of expertise and they not their domain of expertise and they not their domain of expertise and they feel weak in that environment. feel weak in that environment. feel weak in that environment. >> Correct. Or they turn on one energy more >> Correct. Or they turn on one energy more >> Correct. Or they turn on one energy more than the other one. And so a lot of than the other one. And so a lot of than the other one. And so a lot of these people turn on more the affection these people turn on more the affection these people turn on more the affection energy. energy. energy. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? And the affection or love energy >> Right? And the affection or love energy >> Right? And the affection or love energy in the animal world is not a strong in the animal world is not a strong in the animal world is not a strong energy. energy. energy. >> Yeah, tell me more about that because I >> Yeah, tell me more about that because I >> Yeah, tell me more about that because I practiced on the your practiced on the your practiced on the your recommendation, no looking, no touching, recommendation, no looking, no touching, recommendation, no looking, no touching, no speak when I got home. Most difficult no speak when I got home. Most difficult no speak when I got home. Most difficult thing for people to do, I think. You thing for people to do, I think. You thing for people to do, I think. You know, they get home and the dog's like know, they get home and the dog's like know, they get home and the dog's like super happy to see them, tail is super happy to see them, tail is super happy to see them, tail is wagging, they're excited. And I I'm wagging, they're excited. And I I'm wagging, they're excited. And I I'm like, I'm going to ignore my dog. This like, I'm going to ignore my dog. This like, I'm going to ignore my dog. This feels like abuse, right? You know? But feels like abuse, right? You know? But feels like abuse, right? You know? But come in, do my thing, it's and then come in, do my thing, it's and then come in, do my thing, it's and then after some period of time I'm like, after some period of time I'm like, after some period of time I'm like, "Hey." And what I realized is "Hey." And what I realized is "Hey." And what I realized is every time after that I'd come home every time after that I'd come home every time after that I'd come home and he was calm. and he was calm. and he was calm. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He was excited to see me, but he was >> He was excited to see me, but he was >> He was excited to see me, but he was calm. Never jumping up and touching me, calm. Never jumping up and touching me, calm. Never jumping up and touching me, never jumping up and touching anyone never jumping up and touching anyone never jumping up and touching anyone else. But if someone came over and they else. But if someone came over and they else. But if someone came over and they were super excited, it almost would were super excited, it almost would were super excited, it almost would confuse him. Like this is not how people confuse him. Like this is not how people confuse him. Like this is not how people enter the the space. Most people I think enter the the space. Most people I think enter the the space. Most people I think have a very hard time not greeting their have a very hard time not greeting their have a very hard time not greeting their dog with men and women squealing. dog with men and women squealing. dog with men and women squealing. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> It's crazy. And it makes the dogs >> It's crazy. And it makes the dogs >> It's crazy. And it makes the dogs anxious. It causes problems in the anxious. It causes problems in the anxious. It causes problems in the relationship. relationship. relationship. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right? >> Right? >> Right? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> But I think most people don't realize >> But I think most people don't realize >> But I think most people don't realize that. that. that. >> Well, that's exactly you said it, you >> Well, that's exactly you said it, you >> Well, that's exactly you said it, you know, I I don't want to ignore my dog. know, I I don't want to ignore my dog. know, I I don't want to ignore my dog. And I don't want to like tell my dog And I don't want to like tell my dog And I don't want to like tell my dog that I don't love him, you know, cuz that I don't love him, you know, cuz that I don't love him, you know, cuz then the interpretation the dog missed then the interpretation the dog missed then the interpretation the dog missed me. me. me. But, you know, every time you leave an But, you know, every time you leave an But, you know, every time you leave an animal behind walls, the the animal is animal behind walls, the the animal is animal behind walls, the the animal is going to go excited or anxious. Right? going to go excited or anxious. Right? going to go excited or anxious. Right? So, not always what you're greeting is a So, not always what you're greeting is a So, not always what you're greeting is a happy dog. Most of the time what you're happy dog. Most of the time what you're happy dog. Most of the time what you're greeting is an excited anxious dog that greeting is an excited anxious dog that greeting is an excited anxious dog that is confused. is confused. is confused. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? So, it's very important, you >> Right? So, it's very important, you >> Right? So, it's very important, you know, when when people sees dogs read know, when when people sees dogs read know, when when people sees dogs read another dog, there is no excitement. another dog, there is no excitement. another dog, there is no excitement. There is respect. Mhm. You know, There is respect. Mhm. You know, There is respect. Mhm. You know, [clears throat] and then and they wait [clears throat] and then and they wait [clears throat] and then and they wait until they the the front of the pack until they the the front of the pack until they the the front of the pack allows them to come in. They can't just allows them to come in. They can't just allows them to come in. They can't just come in into their intimate space. come in into their intimate space. come in into their intimate space. So, it's a ritual. So, it's three So, it's a ritual. So, it's three So, it's a ritual. So, it's three rituals that are very important for rituals that are very important for rituals that are very important for people to master with no touch, no talk, people to master with no touch, no talk, people to master with no touch, no talk, no eye contact. One is the meeting. no eye contact. One is the meeting. no eye contact. One is the meeting. Every time you meet a dog, always remind Every time you meet a dog, always remind Every time you meet a dog, always remind them about safe, peace, nose, eyes, them about safe, peace, nose, eyes, them about safe, peace, nose, eyes, ears, trust, respect first. And then ears, trust, respect first. And then ears, trust, respect first. And then there's the walk. The dog right next to there's the walk. The dog right next to there's the walk. The dog right next to you, following you, quiet. And then when you, following you, quiet. And then when you, following you, quiet. And then when you feed. you feed. you feed. So, those three activities are very So, those three activities are very So, those three activities are very meaningful to dogs. But, it all starts meaningful to dogs. But, it all starts meaningful to dogs. But, it all starts with the meeting, with the greeting. So, with the meeting, with the greeting. So, with the meeting, with the greeting. So, every time you reunite, you have to every time you reunite, you have to every time you reunite, you have to remind your dog that you are a source of remind your dog that you are a source of remind your dog that you are a source of safety and peace, of trust, respect, of safety and peace, of trust, respect, of safety and peace, of trust, respect, of nose, eyes, ears. You have to tell them nose, eyes, ears. You have to tell them nose, eyes, ears. You have to tell them that. that. that. >> And I check nose, eyes, ears for us cuz >> And I check nose, eyes, ears for us cuz >> And I check nose, eyes, ears for us cuz I think most people, because we're I think most people, because we're I think most people, because we're humans, especially in US and, you know, humans, especially in US and, you know, humans, especially in US and, you know, in northern Europe or wherever, like in northern Europe or wherever, like in northern Europe or wherever, like >> England. >> England. >> England. >> It's >> It's >> It's >> Speaking constantly. >> Speaking constantly. >> Speaking constantly. >> Yeah. There are people just speaking >> Yeah. There are people just speaking >> Yeah. There are people just speaking constantly. Like, "Hi. Hi. Hi." Like, constantly. Like, "Hi. Hi. Hi." Like, constantly. Like, "Hi. Hi. Hi." Like, you know. you know. you know. This is not the best way for to This is not the best way for to This is not the best way for to communicate with a dog who you are and communicate with a dog who you are and communicate with a dog who you are and what you're about and what the the trust what you're about and what the the trust what you're about and what the the trust relationship relationship relationship >> creates excitement, >> creates excitement, >> creates excitement, >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> right? It creates a dog that learns to >> right? It creates a dog that learns to >> right? It creates a dog that learns to greet people with excitement. So, if you greet people with excitement. So, if you greet people with excitement. So, if you greet your dog with excitement, you are greet your dog with excitement, you are greet your dog with excitement, you are the source to other humans. So, he's the source to other humans. So, he's the source to other humans. So, he's going to greet all the humans excited. going to greet all the humans excited. going to greet all the humans excited. He's going to jump on people. Not He's going to jump on people. Not He's going to jump on people. Not everybody wants a dog that doesn't everybody wants a dog that doesn't everybody wants a dog that doesn't belong to them to jump on them. So, but belong to them to jump on them. So, but belong to them to jump on them. So, but because you know that let's say you do because you know that let's say you do because you know that let's say you do that, that, that, uh your dog has learned to welcome uh your dog has learned to welcome uh your dog has learned to welcome humans humans humans excited. excited. excited. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You see it? So, when a dog is born, he >> You see it? So, when a dog is born, he >> You see it? So, when a dog is born, he borns with the nose open. 15 days later, borns with the nose open. 15 days later, borns with the nose open. 15 days later, they open the eyes. 21 days later, they they open the eyes. 21 days later, they they open the eyes. 21 days later, they open the the ears. This is open the the ears. This is open the the ears. This is scientifically, right? This scientifically, right? This scientifically, right? This [clears throat] is in all the [clears throat] is in all the [clears throat] is in all the encyclopedias. So, that means the dog encyclopedias. So, that means the dog encyclopedias. So, that means the dog met his parents through the nose, then met his parents through the nose, then met his parents through the nose, then the eyes, then the ears. the eyes, then the ears. the eyes, then the ears. You see it? But, when people wants to do You see it? But, when people wants to do You see it? But, when people wants to do ears, eyes, nose, they're they want to ears, eyes, nose, they're they want to ears, eyes, nose, they're they want to create a human. They want the dog to create a human. They want the dog to create a human. They want the dog to understand the way you and I understand. understand the way you and I understand. understand the way you and I understand. Hey, hey, Andrew, how you doing? But, we Hey, hey, Andrew, how you doing? But, we Hey, hey, Andrew, how you doing? But, we can control that excitement. Right? At can control that excitement. Right? At can control that excitement. Right? At least we should. least we should. least we should. >> Some [clears throat] people can't, >> Some [clears throat] people can't, >> Some [clears throat] people can't, right? right? right? >> But, so it's a different ritual for us. >> But, so it's a different ritual for us. >> But, so it's a different ritual for us. You know, we believe in parties, we You know, we believe in parties, we You know, we believe in parties, we believe in parades. I For a horse to go believe in parades. I For a horse to go believe in parades. I For a horse to go to New York, it's a very excited place. to New York, it's a very excited place. to New York, it's a very excited place. It takes conditioning. It takes conditioning. It takes conditioning. Because no horse will ever volunteer Because no horse will ever volunteer Because no horse will ever volunteer going to New York. going to New York. going to New York. See, it has to be conditioned. See, it has to be conditioned. See, it has to be conditioned. Right? Cuz you're bringing him to a very Right? Cuz you're bringing him to a very Right? Cuz you're bringing him to a very excited environment where his instincts excited environment where his instincts excited environment where his instincts say flight. say flight. say flight. >> And recently there have been these >> And recently there have been these >> And recently there have been these problems. Sorry to cut you off. I don't problems. Sorry to cut you off. I don't problems. Sorry to cut you off. I don't know if you saw a couple of the know if you saw a couple of the know if you saw a couple of the carriages in carriages in carriages in Central Park took off. Someone was Central Park took off. Someone was Central Park took off. Someone was killed recently. There's a whole debate killed recently. There's a whole debate killed recently. There's a whole debate going on now whether or not this is good going on now whether or not this is good going on now whether or not this is good or bad for these horses, but it's just or bad for these horses, but it's just or bad for these horses, but it's just clear, regardless of where one sits on clear, regardless of where one sits on clear, regardless of where one sits on the debate, that you can't take the the debate, that you can't take the the debate, that you can't take the instinct out of the animal. There are instinct out of the animal. There are instinct out of the animal. There are triggers that will send them over an triggers that will send them over an triggers that will send them over an edge. edge. edge. >> Oh, you have to make sure that you >> Oh, you have to make sure that you >> Oh, you have to make sure that you you know, you you keep eye on on how is you know, you you keep eye on on how is you know, you you keep eye on on how is the spirit of the horse, is the instinct the spirit of the horse, is the instinct the spirit of the horse, is the instinct of of the horse of of the horse of of the horse healthy, you know? Is the spirit happy? healthy, you know? Is the spirit happy? healthy, you know? Is the spirit happy? You know, cuz when they just go into the You know, cuz when they just go into the You know, cuz when they just go into the habit of working, working, working, habit of working, working, working, habit of working, working, working, working, even a police dog can crash. working, even a police dog can crash. working, even a police dog can crash. You see what I mean? Even a Even a You see what I mean? Even a Even a You see what I mean? Even a Even a police can dog can bite a police officer police can dog can bite a police officer police can dog can bite a police officer cuz it's overworked. cuz it's overworked. cuz it's overworked. >> I have a few friends from the special >> I have a few friends from the special >> I have a few friends from the special operations community. They work with operations community. They work with operations community. They work with these dogs that jump out of planes, these dogs that jump out of planes, these dogs that jump out of planes, parachute, do parachute, do parachute, do Yeah, yeah, the Malinois, and Yeah, yeah, the Malinois, and Yeah, yeah, the Malinois, and several of those guys have told me that several of those guys have told me that several of those guys have told me that with those dogs you cannot ever ever let with those dogs you cannot ever ever let with those dogs you cannot ever ever let up your guard as the leader. In fact, a up your guard as the leader. In fact, a up your guard as the leader. In fact, a few guys who got a little soft with few guys who got a little soft with few guys who got a little soft with them, just a tiny bit, like one anecdote them, just a tiny bit, like one anecdote them, just a tiny bit, like one anecdote was they decided to invite the dog in to was they decided to invite the dog in to was they decided to invite the dog in to watch a movie with them one night when watch a movie with them one night when watch a movie with them one night when they're on deployment or maybe they were they're on deployment or maybe they were they're on deployment or maybe they were training, I don't know. training, I don't know. training, I don't know. And And And he let the dog get a little too close to he let the dog get a little too close to he let the dog get a little too close to him during the movie. The next day he him during the movie. The next day he him during the movie. The next day he got bit. And it's like they're got bit. And it's like they're got bit. And it's like they're constantly trying to move up the move up constantly trying to move up the move up constantly trying to move up the move up the hierarchy. He's like it sucks cuz the hierarchy. He's like it sucks cuz the hierarchy. He's like it sucks cuz you you you fall in love with these you you you fall in love with these you you you fall in love with these animals, but you have to constantly keep animals, but you have to constantly keep animals, but you have to constantly keep the relationship in its proper place or the relationship in its proper place or the relationship in its proper place or they'll not turn on you, but they'll try they'll not turn on you, but they'll try they'll not turn on you, but they'll try and take your position. and take your position. and take your position. >> They don't try. That's the thing with >> They don't try. That's the thing with >> They don't try. That's the thing with animals. They don't try. They just do. animals. They don't try. They just do. animals. They don't try. They just do. Right? There is no knowledge behind Right? There is no knowledge behind Right? There is no knowledge behind instinct. It's all reaction. So at the instinct. It's all reaction. So at the instinct. It's all reaction. So at the moment your energy goes down, bam. moment your energy goes down, bam. moment your energy goes down, bam. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> At the moment they so they're they're >> At the moment they so they're they're >> At the moment they so they're they're keep eye on your energy, keep eye on your energy, keep eye on your energy, you know, and but at the same time, you you know, and but at the same time, you you know, and but at the same time, you know, this kind of dogs are always in a know, this kind of dogs are always in a know, this kind of dogs are always in a high level of excitement. They keep them high level of excitement. They keep them high level of excitement. They keep them that way. They are vigilant. that way. They are vigilant. that way. They are vigilant. They keep them like like that. They They keep them like like that. They They keep them like like that. They don't know how to turn it off. don't know how to turn it off. don't know how to turn it off. >> So to create a great home family dog or >> So to create a great home family dog or >> So to create a great home family dog or even if somebody lives alone, it's no even if somebody lives alone, it's no even if somebody lives alone, it's no look, no touch, no speak in the first look, no touch, no speak in the first look, no touch, no speak in the first couple of minutes of contact. couple of minutes of contact. couple of minutes of contact. >> Yeah, until the dog becomes peaceful and >> Yeah, until the dog becomes peaceful and >> Yeah, until the dog becomes peaceful and calm and open-minded. So surrender means calm and open-minded. So surrender means calm and open-minded. So surrender means the mind is open. the mind is open. the mind is open. Right? So once the mind opens up, you Right? So once the mind opens up, you Right? So once the mind opens up, you can teach whatever you want, such as can teach whatever you want, such as can teach whatever you want, such as waiting, such as being calm. waiting, such as being calm. waiting, such as being calm. >> What if somebody has an anxious dog >> What if somebody has an anxious dog >> What if somebody has an anxious dog right now? They haven't been doing this right now? They haven't been doing this right now? They haven't been doing this and the dog is pawing at them and and and the dog is pawing at them and and and the dog is pawing at them and and running around. Should the person just running around. Should the person just running around. Should the person just stay completely in that calm space stay completely in that calm space stay completely in that calm space moving about and ignoring them touching moving about and ignoring them touching moving about and ignoring them touching them or should they be physically giving them or should they be physically giving them or should they be physically giving like, you know, get off me type of like, you know, get off me type of like, you know, get off me type of thing? thing? thing? >> this also have to do with how how much >> this also have to do with how how much >> this also have to do with how how much exercise physically exercise the dog has exercise physically exercise the dog has exercise physically exercise the dog has to receive. to receive. to receive. Right? How long is his walk? Cuz most Right? How long is his walk? Cuz most Right? How long is his walk? Cuz most people walk 20 30 minutes. That's not people walk 20 30 minutes. That's not people walk 20 30 minutes. That's not enough and the dog end up in the house enough and the dog end up in the house enough and the dog end up in the house for 20 23 and 1/2 hours. for 20 23 and 1/2 hours. for 20 23 and 1/2 hours. >> In my opinion, it's borders on abuse. >> In my opinion, it's borders on abuse. >> In my opinion, it's borders on abuse. It's really It's really It's really incredibly hard on an animal that has incredibly hard on an animal that has incredibly hard on an animal that has that much energy. that much energy. that much energy. >> say I love my dog. >> say I love my dog. >> say I love my dog. And and and in my first question is how And and and in my first question is how And and and in my first question is how long do you walk them? long do you walk them? long do you walk them? >> What is your recommendation? I realize >> What is your recommendation? I realize >> What is your recommendation? I realize it varies by breed and by age. it varies by breed and by age. it varies by breed and by age. >> Yeah, and by level of energy cuz some >> Yeah, and by level of energy cuz some >> Yeah, and by level of energy cuz some are couch potatoes, low level energy, are couch potatoes, low level energy, are couch potatoes, low level energy, some middle and some high, right? And so some middle and some high, right? And so some middle and some high, right? And so it depends on the energy of the dog. So it depends on the energy of the dog. So it depends on the energy of the dog. So not because a dog is a back of the pack not because a dog is a back of the pack not because a dog is a back of the pack doesn't mean they they don't have high doesn't mean they they don't have high doesn't mean they they don't have high level energy. Okay? Because the sled level energy. Okay? Because the sled level energy. Okay? Because the sled dogs, there is a lot of guys that go in dogs, there is a lot of guys that go in dogs, there is a lot of guys that go in the back. There's only one in the front the back. There's only one in the front the back. There's only one in the front if you notice, right? And even in the if you notice, right? And even in the if you notice, right? And even in the back of the pack dogs, because it it back of the pack dogs, because it it back of the pack dogs, because it it they create a a pack from middle back, they create a a pack from middle back, they create a a pack from middle back, right? And that's where they stay in right? And that's where they stay in right? And that's where they stay in that mode. And and so even the back of that mode. And and so even the back of that mode. And and so even the back of the pack, they have to have the same the pack, they have to have the same the pack, they have to have the same level of stamina as the one in the level of stamina as the one in the level of stamina as the one in the front. So now because he's a back of the front. So now because he's a back of the front. So now because he's a back of the pack, he's couch potato. pack, he's couch potato. pack, he's couch potato. You know, so then then you have to You know, so then then you have to You know, so then then you have to understand the levels of energy that understand the levels of energy that understand the levels of energy that they're born with, low, medium, high. they're born with, low, medium, high. they're born with, low, medium, high. Yeah, so a lot of times people say, "Oh, Yeah, so a lot of times people say, "Oh, Yeah, so a lot of times people say, "Oh, bulldogs are couch potatoes." No. bulldogs are couch potatoes." No. bulldogs are couch potatoes." No. The [laughter] you can have a bulldog The [laughter] you can have a bulldog The [laughter] you can have a bulldog that is absolutely athletic, absolutely that is absolutely athletic, absolutely that is absolutely athletic, absolutely athletic, and has the stamina to go and athletic, and has the stamina to go and athletic, and has the stamina to go and you know, obviously you have to help you know, obviously you have to help you know, obviously you have to help them with the breeding part. And cuz them with the breeding part. And cuz them with the breeding part. And cuz they're they just go into, you know, no they're they just go into, you know, no they're they just go into, you know, no limits. So you have to help them, you limits. So you have to help them, you limits. So you have to help them, you know, calm down. know, calm down. know, calm down. >> Strummer has a lot of energy, you know, >> Strummer has a lot of energy, you know, >> Strummer has a lot of energy, you know, uh uh uh compared to Costello. Um so compared to Costello. Um so compared to Costello. Um so two minimum 30-minute walks per day, as two minimum 30-minute walks per day, as two minimum 30-minute walks per day, as much as a couple hours twice a day. much as a couple hours twice a day. much as a couple hours twice a day. >> back on, right? Obviously the dog is a >> back on, right? Obviously the dog is a >> back on, right? Obviously the dog is a little older because, you know, the little older because, you know, the little older because, you know, the backpack adds that extra half hour. Cuz backpack adds that extra half hour. Cuz backpack adds that extra half hour. Cuz now the dog is carrying something. now the dog is carrying something. now the dog is carrying something. >> So weighted backpack. >> So weighted backpack. >> So weighted backpack. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And how should one assess like >> And how should one assess like >> And how should one assess like percentage of body weight of the dog? percentage of body weight of the dog? percentage of body weight of the dog? Like Like Like >> At the beginning, you can just put a >> At the beginning, you can just put a >> At the beginning, you can just put a backpack cuz they're psychologically, backpack cuz they're psychologically, backpack cuz they're psychologically, you know, they don't want to wear you know, they don't want to wear you know, they don't want to wear anything, you know? Nothing that we put anything, you know? Nothing that we put anything, you know? Nothing that we put on them, they want to wear it. on them, they want to wear it. on them, they want to wear it. >> Uh-huh. >> Uh-huh. >> Uh-huh. >> You know, a leash, a collar, a muzzle, a >> You know, a leash, a collar, a muzzle, a >> You know, a leash, a collar, a muzzle, a boots. It doesn't matter. It doesn't boots. It doesn't matter. It doesn't boots. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. matter. matter. Uh so psychologically, that drains them, Uh so psychologically, that drains them, Uh so psychologically, that drains them, right? Cuz they got to get used to it. right? Cuz they got to get used to it. right? Cuz they got to get used to it. So you you walk until the dog comes So you you walk until the dog comes So you you walk until the dog comes surrender to it, and then you take it surrender to it, and then you take it surrender to it, and then you take it off. And then the mind will become very off. And then the mind will become very off. And then the mind will become very drained. Once the dog gets used to it, drained. Once the dog gets used to it, drained. Once the dog gets used to it, and then you start putting weight. You and then you start putting weight. You and then you start putting weight. You can start with 5 lb. Remember, can start with 5 lb. Remember, can start with 5 lb. Remember, everything you add something, you everything you add something, you everything you add something, you challenge the mind. challenge the mind. challenge the mind. And the goal is simply for the mind to And the goal is simply for the mind to And the goal is simply for the mind to surrender. surrender. surrender. You see it? And and then the body the You see it? And and then the body the You see it? And and then the body the body is going to become calm because body is going to become calm because body is going to become calm because he's wasting energy. So your job he's wasting energy. So your job he's wasting energy. So your job literally every day with a dog is to literally every day with a dog is to literally every day with a dog is to empty the tank. empty the tank. empty the tank. Empty the tank, you know? Cuz a tired Empty the tank, you know? Cuz a tired Empty the tank, you know? Cuz a tired dog is never going to give you problems, dog is never going to give you problems, dog is never going to give you problems, ever. ever. ever. >> True. >> True. >> True. >> The ever. How? He doesn't have the >> The ever. How? He doesn't have the >> The ever. How? He doesn't have the energy to give you problems, right? And energy to give you problems, right? And energy to give you problems, right? And then on top of that, you create rules, then on top of that, you create rules, then on top of that, you create rules, boundaries, limitations such as just put boundaries, limitations such as just put boundaries, limitations such as just put food right here, but he can't touch it. food right here, but he can't touch it. food right here, but he can't touch it. So, the mind now has to be disciplined So, the mind now has to be disciplined So, the mind now has to be disciplined not to touch it. Then the mind has to not to touch it. Then the mind has to not to touch it. Then the mind has to learn instead of doing this to do this, learn instead of doing this to do this, learn instead of doing this to do this, and that requires the self-discipline. and that requires the self-discipline. and that requires the self-discipline. If you tell the dog, "Don't touch it." If you tell the dog, "Don't touch it." If you tell the dog, "Don't touch it." or "Don't touch the human. Don't touch or "Don't touch the human. Don't touch or "Don't touch the human. Don't touch the food. Don't touch the cat." they go the food. Don't touch the cat." they go the food. Don't touch the cat." they go into a calm surrender state, and they into a calm surrender state, and they into a calm surrender state, and they wait. wait. wait. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> The first thing that I taught Strummer >> The first thing that I taught Strummer >> The first thing that I taught Strummer um um um was to suppress action. Just as a was to suppress action. Just as a was to suppress action. Just as a general theme. He learned it right away. general theme. He learned it right away. general theme. He learned it right away. Um at 8 weeks, it took about a day, Um at 8 weeks, it took about a day, Um at 8 weeks, it took about a day, maybe even half a day cuz I had learned maybe even half a day cuz I had learned maybe even half a day cuz I had learned the hard way with Costello. He was much the hard way with Costello. He was much the hard way with Costello. He was much more stubborn. I could set food down. more stubborn. I could set food down. more stubborn. I could set food down. Yep. As a Yep. As a Yep. As a 8-week-old puppy, 8-week-old puppy, 8-week-old puppy, because we went through the training because we went through the training because we went through the training process, he's not touching it until he process, he's not touching it until he process, he's not touching it until he looks at me. looks at me. looks at me. I can walk around the room. I can do I can walk around the room. I can do I can walk around the room. I can do whatever I want. He's tracking, and then whatever I want. He's tracking, and then whatever I want. He's tracking, and then when I say, "Okay." then he's going to when I say, "Okay." then he's going to when I say, "Okay." then he's going to eat. I will just mention there's a eat. I will just mention there's a eat. I will just mention there's a inhibition from the forebrain down to inhibition from the forebrain down to inhibition from the forebrain down to the brain regions that control impulses. the brain regions that control impulses. the brain regions that control impulses. And this is what we call top-down And this is what we call top-down And this is what we call top-down inhibition, which is nerd neuroscience inhibition, which is nerd neuroscience inhibition, which is nerd neuroscience speak for what you you're describing speak for what you you're describing speak for what you you're describing practically. And I feel like it carries practically. And I feel like it carries practically. And I feel like it carries over to other circumstances more easily. over to other circumstances more easily. over to other circumstances more easily. But I can put food in front of him now But I can put food in front of him now But I can put food in front of him now and leave the room. and leave the room. and leave the room. I don't do this for extended periods, I don't do this for extended periods, I don't do this for extended periods, but I come back, he's not going to touch but I come back, he's not going to touch but I come back, he's not going to touch it. Yep. And then he he starts to eat. it. Yep. And then he he starts to eat. it. Yep. And then he he starts to eat. Now, it's a little bit more difficult Now, it's a little bit more difficult Now, it's a little bit more difficult with with with things that um like trying to teach him things that um like trying to teach him things that um like trying to teach him to not uh be mouthy on But so I have a to not uh be mouthy on But so I have a to not uh be mouthy on But so I have a rule, no no skin in dog's mouth. It's rule, no no skin in dog's mouth. It's rule, no no skin in dog's mouth. It's just like it's all or none. Make it just like it's all or none. Make it just like it's all or none. Make it simple cuz when it's really cute when simple cuz when it's really cute when simple cuz when it's really cute when they're a puppy, their teeth are a they're a puppy, their teeth are a they're a puppy, their teeth are a little sharp, and then you can kind of little sharp, and then you can kind of little sharp, and then you can kind of But I just have a it's a thick black But I just have a it's a thick black But I just have a it's a thick black line. Right. And my girlfriend knows line. Right. And my girlfriend knows line. Right. And my girlfriend knows this, too. Like she's like, "No, but he this, too. Like she's like, "No, but he this, too. Like she's like, "No, but he wants to play." And it's like, "No skin wants to play." And it's like, "No skin wants to play." And it's like, "No skin goes in his mouth." And he cuz that's a goes in his mouth." And he cuz that's a goes in his mouth." And he cuz that's a simple rule. Yep. And simple rule. Yep. And simple rule. Yep. And if he does happens to, you know, go for if he does happens to, you know, go for if he does happens to, you know, go for skin, I'll do the little yelp thing. He skin, I'll do the little yelp thing. He skin, I'll do the little yelp thing. He understands right away. So, if people understands right away. So, if people understands right away. So, if people hear this, they're going to be like, hear this, they're going to be like, hear this, they're going to be like, "This is terrible, right?" You're "This is terrible, right?" You're "This is terrible, right?" You're putting food in front of him and he putting food in front of him and he putting food in front of him and he wants to eat and you're not letting him, wants to eat and you're not letting him, wants to eat and you're not letting him, but could you elaborate why this is so but could you elaborate why this is so but could you elaborate why this is so important to the dog's happiness and important to the dog's happiness and important to the dog's happiness and well-being because well-being because well-being because I believe [snorts] it is and I could see I believe [snorts] it is and I could see I believe [snorts] it is and I could see that in Costello. I see it in Strummer. that in Costello. I see it in Strummer. that in Costello. I see it in Strummer. There's a trust. There's a calmness. There's a trust. There's a calmness. There's a trust. There's a calmness. There's a an availability to go more There's a an availability to go more There's a an availability to go more places. places. places. But many people they just like, "He's But many people they just like, "He's But many people they just like, "He's hungry. She's hungry. They missed me." hungry. She's hungry. They missed me." hungry. She's hungry. They missed me." You know, "They didn't know what they You know, "They didn't know what they You know, "They didn't know what they were doing." were doing." were doing." >> feel guilty because they didn't walk the >> feel guilty because they didn't walk the >> feel guilty because they didn't walk the dog. Mhm. Guilt plays a big role in dog. Mhm. Guilt plays a big role in dog. Mhm. Guilt plays a big role in raising dogs. raising dogs. raising dogs. >> Well, then let's stay on the walk for a >> Well, then let's stay on the walk for a >> Well, then let's stay on the walk for a moment. What what is so critical about moment. What what is so critical about moment. What what is so critical about the structured walk? I've been doing 2 the structured walk? I've been doing 2 the structured walk? I've been doing 2 hours a day or so of structured walk hours a day or so of structured walk hours a day or so of structured walk since he was little. And people say since he was little. And people say since he was little. And people say that's too much for a puppy. that's too much for a puppy. that's too much for a puppy. I I feel like he's been great with two I I feel like he's been great with two I I feel like he's been great with two 1-hour walks. 1-hour walks. 1-hour walks. >> It's because they forget instincts. >> It's because they forget instincts. >> It's because they forget instincts. Right? They forget instinct that a dog Right? They forget instinct that a dog Right? They forget instinct that a dog is instinctually is going to follow his is instinctually is going to follow his is instinctually is going to follow his parents to find food and water, right? parents to find food and water, right? parents to find food and water, right? Yes, they do it after 2 months of age Yes, they do it after 2 months of age Yes, they do it after 2 months of age cuz otherwise they will stay within the cuz otherwise they will stay within the cuz otherwise they will stay within the den, right? But den, right? But den, right? But from from two to four, they follow, you from from two to four, they follow, you from from two to four, they follow, you know, they follow and somebody's always know, they follow and somebody's always know, they follow and somebody's always taking care. You can see it in the taking care. You can see it in the taking care. You can see it in the African wild dogs. There is always African wild dogs. There is always African wild dogs. There is always somebody that supervises the litter. somebody that supervises the litter. somebody that supervises the litter. But they allow them to follow, But they allow them to follow, But they allow them to follow, right? And then they they they they they right? And then they they they they they right? And then they they they they they go to a certain stance because they're go to a certain stance because they're go to a certain stance because they're growing. But as soon as a dog gets into growing. But as soon as a dog gets into growing. But as soon as a dog gets into 6-8 months of age, that guy wants to 6-8 months of age, that guy wants to 6-8 months of age, that guy wants to walk more than 30 minutes. walk more than 30 minutes. walk more than 30 minutes. Guarantee. He doesn't want to stay in Guarantee. He doesn't want to stay in Guarantee. He doesn't want to stay in one place too long. one place too long. one place too long. >> So, all these people with their dogs >> So, all these people with their dogs >> So, all these people with their dogs home all day or some people will say, home all day or some people will say, home all day or some people will say, "Well, the dog has the yard running "Well, the dog has the yard running "Well, the dog has the yard running around the yard." It's not the same, around the yard." It's not the same, around the yard." It's not the same, right? Being able to run around a yard. right? Being able to run around a yard. right? Being able to run around a yard. >> With the yard becomes like the zoo, >> With the yard becomes like the zoo, >> With the yard becomes like the zoo, right? As an animal in the zoo with a right? As an animal in the zoo with a right? As an animal in the zoo with a yard. yard. yard. But does not natural. That's just But does not natural. That's just But does not natural. That's just practical for with human, right? And the practical for with human, right? And the practical for with human, right? And the human feels like, "Okay, I have a human feels like, "Okay, I have a human feels like, "Okay, I have a backyard. That's where the dog does backyard. That's where the dog does backyard. That's where the dog does exercise." But the dog is going in exercise." But the dog is going in exercise." But the dog is going in circles. circles. circles. So, exercise for a bird is going So, exercise for a bird is going So, exercise for a bird is going uh for a fish or you know, a a bird have uh for a fish or you know, a a bird have uh for a fish or you know, a a bird have to fly, a fish have to swim, and a dog to fly, a fish have to swim, and a dog to fly, a fish have to swim, and a dog has to walk. It's just the nature of has to walk. It's just the nature of has to walk. It's just the nature of each uh specie. Right? So, the walk is each uh specie. Right? So, the walk is each uh specie. Right? So, the walk is the most important activity in my eyes. the most important activity in my eyes. the most important activity in my eyes. Right? Look at the homeless people with Right? Look at the homeless people with Right? Look at the homeless people with their dogs. Why they can walk a dog off their dogs. Why they can walk a dog off their dogs. Why they can walk a dog off leash? leash? leash? >> You were the first person I ever heard >> You were the first person I ever heard >> You were the first person I ever heard say that homeless people are the best say that homeless people are the best say that homeless people are the best dog owners. dog owners. dog owners. >> And the humans who are blind, the humans >> And the humans who are blind, the humans >> And the humans who are blind, the humans who are blind dog is right next to them. who are blind dog is right next to them. who are blind dog is right next to them. Uh homeless people dog in the back. Uh homeless people dog in the back. Uh homeless people dog in the back. Right? So, what are they doing right? Right? So, what are they doing right? Right? So, what are they doing right? Well, the dog is following them. Well, the dog is following them. Well, the dog is following them. Right? If they're in a follower state. Right? If they're in a follower state. Right? If they're in a follower state. Uh and so, the dog the the the dog that Uh and so, the dog the the the dog that Uh and so, the dog the the the dog that lives with the blind is is not allowed lives with the blind is is not allowed lives with the blind is is not allowed to get distracted cuz it its purpose is to get distracted cuz it its purpose is to get distracted cuz it its purpose is to guide the the the blind. And the dog to guide the the the blind. And the dog to guide the the the blind. And the dog that lives with the homeless he's not that lives with the homeless he's not that lives with the homeless he's not allowed to go in front. Uh consciously allowed to go in front. Uh consciously allowed to go in front. Uh consciously or unconsciously, the dog stays in the or unconsciously, the dog stays in the or unconsciously, the dog stays in the back. Nine out of 10 uh homeless people back. Nine out of 10 uh homeless people back. Nine out of 10 uh homeless people have a pitbull. have a pitbull. have a pitbull. And the dog is well-behaved off leash. And the dog is well-behaved off leash. And the dog is well-behaved off leash. Right? Right? Right? >> a lot of them in my neighborhood. This >> a lot of them in my neighborhood. This >> a lot of them in my neighborhood. This is Los Angeles. is Los Angeles. is Los Angeles. >> It's incredible. Incredible, right? But >> It's incredible. Incredible, right? But >> It's incredible. Incredible, right? But in Mexico, every single dog in the whole in Mexico, every single dog in the whole in Mexico, every single dog in the whole country, every single dog is off leash. country, every single dog is off leash. country, every single dog is off leash. So, that's uh So, that's uh So, that's uh in America, the American dream for a lot in America, the American dream for a lot in America, the American dream for a lot of people is is to have a dog walk off of people is is to have a dog walk off of people is is to have a dog walk off leash. Cuz people pay a trainer to train leash. Cuz people pay a trainer to train leash. Cuz people pay a trainer to train their dog to be off leash. Well, this is their dog to be off leash. Well, this is their dog to be off leash. Well, this is the nature of a You see it it doesn't the nature of a You see it it doesn't the nature of a You see it it doesn't make any sense, you know, once you hear make any sense, you know, once you hear make any sense, you know, once you hear it. It's you just have to help them by it. It's you just have to help them by it. It's you just have to help them by practicing the ritual of not touching practicing the ritual of not touching practicing the ritual of not touching the dog, no eye contact. Let the dog be the dog, no eye contact. Let the dog be the dog, no eye contact. Let the dog be calm, surrender in front of you. Make calm, surrender in front of you. Make calm, surrender in front of you. Make sure during the walk he's also in the sure during the walk he's also in the sure during the walk he's also in the same state of mind. And before you feed same state of mind. And before you feed same state of mind. And before you feed him, do this for at least 3 weeks. him, do this for at least 3 weeks. him, do this for at least 3 weeks. Right? So, you get into this habit. Right? So, you get into this habit. Right? So, you get into this habit. Right? Then when you greet, Right? Then when you greet, Right? Then when you greet, when you walk, and when you feed. when you walk, and when you feed. when you walk, and when you feed. So, then this dog is going to have this So, then this dog is going to have this So, then this dog is going to have this beautiful silence, calm, surrender. And beautiful silence, calm, surrender. And beautiful silence, calm, surrender. And this is the dog you bring into dog parks this is the dog you bring into dog parks this is the dog you bring into dog parks or dog beaches. And then your job is to or dog beaches. And then your job is to or dog beaches. And then your job is to make sure that you uh the dog that your make sure that you uh the dog that your make sure that you uh the dog that your dog is going to play with has the same dog is going to play with has the same dog is going to play with has the same energy as your dog. You have to be energy as your dog. You have to be energy as your dog. You have to be selective, just like with kids, right? selective, just like with kids, right? selective, just like with kids, right? >> Yeah, I don't bring my dog to dog parks. >> Yeah, I don't bring my dog to dog parks. >> Yeah, I don't bring my dog to dog parks. I I used to I I used to I I used to >> need to. >> need to. >> need to. >> I'd like to take a quick break and >> I'd like to take a quick break and >> I'd like to take a quick break and acknowledge our sponsor, AG1. acknowledge our sponsor, AG1. acknowledge our sponsor, AG1. 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Uh exercise, discipline, and then Uh exercise, discipline, and then Uh exercise, discipline, and then affection. affection. affection. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And for many people, you know, they're >> And for many people, you know, they're >> And for many people, you know, they're going to hear that. I mean, it's going to hear that. I mean, it's going to hear that. I mean, it's reflexive for you now, of course. Um reflexive for you now, of course. Um reflexive for you now, of course. Um this is your domain. Uh this is your domain. Uh this is your domain. Uh but they're going to be like, this but but they're going to be like, this but but they're going to be like, this but they don't want to walk first thing in they don't want to walk first thing in they don't want to walk first thing in the morning. I want to cuddle with my the morning. I want to cuddle with my the morning. I want to cuddle with my dog first thing in the morning. I mean, dog first thing in the morning. I mean, dog first thing in the morning. I mean, my household now, I had to be really my household now, I had to be really my household now, I had to be really clear, like there's if we don't follow clear, like there's if we don't follow clear, like there's if we don't follow this, we're damaging the opportunities this, we're damaging the opportunities this, we're damaging the opportunities for Strummer. We're We're actually for Strummer. We're We're actually for Strummer. We're We're actually hurting his psychological well-being. hurting his psychological well-being. hurting his psychological well-being. And the only hard part uh with him is he And the only hard part uh with him is he And the only hard part uh with him is he doesn't necessarily like to wake up doesn't necessarily like to wake up doesn't necessarily like to wake up early, but sometimes have to walk him early, but sometimes have to walk him early, but sometimes have to walk him early, so it takes a little bit of uh early, so it takes a little bit of uh early, so it takes a little bit of uh extra encouragement. extra encouragement. extra encouragement. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> The day always starts with a walk. >> The day always starts with a walk. >> The day always starts with a walk. Then discipline training. Then discipline training. Then discipline training. And then And then And then food. food. food. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then some affection. >> And then some affection. >> And then some affection. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it's not hours of like cuddling on >> But it's not hours of like cuddling on >> But it's not hours of like cuddling on the couch or anything. It's like a, you the couch or anything. It's like a, you the couch or anything. It's like a, you know, I mean, I I love him. I would love know, I mean, I I love him. I would love know, I mean, I I love him. I would love to pick him up and and to pick him up and and to pick him up and and >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> treat him like a little baby >> treat him like a little baby >> treat him like a little baby >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> much more often than I do. >> much more often than I do. >> much more often than I do. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh but I They see the incredible results but I They see the incredible results but I They see the incredible results that come from this exercise discipline that come from this exercise discipline that come from this exercise discipline and then affection. and then affection. and then affection. >> Which is even a natural life as love. >> Which is even a natural life as love. >> Which is even a natural life as love. Cuz you're right, it's good we we we Cuz you're right, it's good we we we Cuz you're right, it's good we we we want them to live as natural as want them to live as natural as want them to live as natural as possible. possible. possible. And uh and and so that's love. And uh and and so that's love. And uh and and so that's love. In in my eyes, like exercise discipline. In in my eyes, like exercise discipline. In in my eyes, like exercise discipline. Discipline is not punishment. Cuz that's Discipline is not punishment. Cuz that's Discipline is not punishment. Cuz that's a word and then the animal dog people, a word and then the animal dog people, a word and then the animal dog people, when they hear the word discipline on when they hear the word discipline on when they hear the word discipline on the dog, they put as punishment. the dog, they put as punishment. the dog, they put as punishment. >> Yeah, they're thinking it's a teacher >> Yeah, they're thinking it's a teacher >> Yeah, they're thinking it's a teacher hitting them. hitting them. hitting them. >> Yeah, like >> Yeah, like >> Yeah, like >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> punishing the dog. And no, you're just >> punishing the dog. And no, you're just >> punishing the dog. And no, you're just making sure the dog follows the rules by making sure the dog follows the rules by making sure the dog follows the rules by limitations. You the dog follows a limitations. You the dog follows a limitations. You the dog follows a structure, you know, and that's what we structure, you know, and that's what we structure, you know, and that's what we call discipline. Right? And and and call discipline. Right? And and and call discipline. Right? And and and that's how we achieve becoming that's how we achieve becoming that's how we achieve becoming well-behaved or achieving success well-behaved or achieving success well-behaved or achieving success because we have to be disciplined. because we have to be disciplined. because we have to be disciplined. Right? And so a lot of times Right? And so a lot of times Right? And so a lot of times what I what I end up helping people is what I what I end up helping people is what I what I end up helping people is understanding the word. So so the block understanding the word. So so the block understanding the word. So so the block doesn't block the word doesn't block doesn't block the word doesn't block doesn't block the word doesn't block them from doing the right thing. Right? them from doing the right thing. Right? them from doing the right thing. Right? Which is your job as a as a as a pet Which is your job as a as a as a pet Which is your job as a as a as a pet parent cuz now is the title pet parent. parent cuz now is the title pet parent. parent cuz now is the title pet parent. Right? Is is direction protection. Right? Is is direction protection. Right? Is is direction protection. Then love. Then love. Then love. Yeah, but most dog people want to do Yeah, but most dog people want to do Yeah, but most dog people want to do affection affection affection. And when affection affection affection. And when affection affection affection. And when it should be exercise discipline and it should be exercise discipline and it should be exercise discipline and affection, body mind heart. affection, body mind heart. affection, body mind heart. >> I think the the walking part is so key, >> I think the the walking part is so key, >> I think the the walking part is so key, obviously, and obviously, and obviously, and I I'll just say it. Um you tell me if I I'll just say it. Um you tell me if I I'll just say it. Um you tell me if you agree or disagree if you want, but you agree or disagree if you want, but you agree or disagree if you want, but um I think most people are just lazy. um I think most people are just lazy. um I think most people are just lazy. They don't want to walk. And if they They don't want to walk. And if they They don't want to walk. And if they walk, they don't want to do it without walk, they don't want to do it without walk, they don't want to do it without talking on their phone or looking at talking on their phone or looking at talking on their phone or looking at their phone. And the dog can sense if their phone. And the dog can sense if their phone. And the dog can sense if your energy is on the walk or the energy your energy is on the walk or the energy your energy is on the walk or the energy is someplace else. is someplace else. is someplace else. >> Or you connect or you disconnect. >> Or you connect or you disconnect. >> Or you connect or you disconnect. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Or you're in a flexi leash with a >> Or you're in a flexi leash with a >> Or you're in a flexi leash with a harness on and you're on the phone, harness on and you're on the phone, harness on and you're on the phone, which are the the worst. which are the the worst. which are the the worst. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah, it's so it's so it's it's it's the >> Yeah, it's so it's so it's it's it's the >> Yeah, it's so it's so it's it's it's the moment where you are connected to mother moment where you are connected to mother moment where you are connected to mother nature and through the dog, right? And nature and through the dog, right? And nature and through the dog, right? And people now, you know, they see God is people now, you know, they see God is people now, you know, they see God is dog backwards. All right, so you're dog backwards. All right, so you're dog backwards. All right, so you're connected to spirit and you're connected connected to spirit and you're connected connected to spirit and you're connected to earth. But you can't be connected to to earth. But you can't be connected to to earth. But you can't be connected to technology. technology. technology. And the phone is the same thing. Is the And the phone is the same thing. Is the And the phone is the same thing. Is the phone is for connection, communication, phone is for connection, communication, phone is for connection, communication, relationship. So does the dog. relationship. So does the dog. relationship. So does the dog. Connection, communication, relationship Connection, communication, relationship Connection, communication, relationship to God, to Earth, to you. to God, to Earth, to you. to God, to Earth, to you. And so then you create that triangle and And so then you create that triangle and And so then you create that triangle and then the dog is inside that bubble. then the dog is inside that bubble. then the dog is inside that bubble. You know, oh this human is really You know, oh this human is really You know, oh this human is really respecting God. This human is really respecting God. This human is really respecting God. This human is really respecting Earth. This really This human respecting Earth. This really This human respecting Earth. This really This human is really respecting the moment. So you is really respecting the moment. So you is really respecting the moment. So you create this vibe. create this vibe. create this vibe. Right? And the dog is in a follower Right? And the dog is in a follower Right? And the dog is in a follower state, so he's going to imitate the state, so he's going to imitate the state, so he's going to imitate the energy that you're in. energy that you're in. energy that you're in. Right? And And so what is prayer? An Right? And And so what is prayer? An Right? And And so what is prayer? An imitation of everybody doing the same imitation of everybody doing the same imitation of everybody doing the same energy. energy. energy. >> It's so fascinating that >> It's so fascinating that >> It's so fascinating that your relationship to dogs your relationship to dogs your relationship to dogs has has has opened up this understanding of human opened up this understanding of human opened up this understanding of human behavior, but behavior, but behavior, but not just how we behave, but how we not just how we behave, but how we not just how we behave, but how we relate to the the entire world. Like the relate to the the entire world. Like the relate to the the entire world. Like the energetics. This keeps coming up in our energetics. This keeps coming up in our energetics. This keeps coming up in our discussion. I feel I have other discussion. I feel I have other discussion. I feel I have other practical questions, but I want to touch practical questions, but I want to touch practical questions, but I want to touch on something that you mentioned before on something that you mentioned before on something that you mentioned before we started recording, which is that in a we started recording, which is that in a we started recording, which is that in a third world country Yeah. third world country Yeah. third world country Yeah. people are aware of death very early on. people are aware of death very early on. people are aware of death very early on. And so the connection to the spiritual And so the connection to the spiritual And so the connection to the spiritual comes first comes first comes first and all the rest follows. The complete and all the rest follows. The complete and all the rest follows. The complete inversion of somebody like me who was inversion of somebody like me who was inversion of somebody like me who was born in northern California. It's like born in northern California. It's like born in northern California. It's like Silicon Valley. Didn't call it that then Silicon Valley. Didn't call it that then Silicon Valley. Didn't call it that then and you learn everything through the the and you learn everything through the the and you learn everything through the the logical structures and you know, science logical structures and you know, science logical structures and you know, science and and my dad's a scientist and but and and and my dad's a scientist and but and and and my dad's a scientist and but and even if one loves poetry and music and even if one loves poetry and music and even if one loves poetry and music and things like that, which I do, things like that, which I do, things like that, which I do, the order the order the order is through the sort of like bricks on is through the sort of like bricks on is through the sort of like bricks on the ground first and but there's no the ground first and but there's no the ground first and but there's no concept of death actually until your concept of death actually until your concept of death actually until your grandparent dies or an animal dies or grandparent dies or an animal dies or grandparent dies or an animal dies or something. Tell me about this something. Tell me about this something. Tell me about this relationship to death and how it relationship to death and how it relationship to death and how it structures the the psyche and the energy structures the the psyche and the energy structures the the psyche and the energy of people in third world countries of people in third world countries of people in third world countries because it it's a direct outgrowth of because it it's a direct outgrowth of because it it's a direct outgrowth of everything we're talking about. These everything we're talking about. These everything we're talking about. These things are going to be extremely useful things are going to be extremely useful things are going to be extremely useful to people in regardless of where they to people in regardless of where they to people in regardless of where they live in the world. live in the world. live in the world. >> I think that's the first step, you know, >> I think that's the first step, you know, >> I think that's the first step, you know, to learn not to be afraid of of to learn not to be afraid of of to learn not to be afraid of of Right? That's the first step. It cuz Right? That's the first step. It cuz Right? That's the first step. It cuz I in in America they don't want nothing I in in America they don't want nothing I in in America they don't want nothing to die, but is to die, but is to die, but is is just what it is, right? Birth, life, is just what it is, right? Birth, life, is just what it is, right? Birth, life, and death. So, it's just That's when in and death. So, it's just That's when in and death. So, it's just That's when in the Mexican culture we have the El Dia the Mexican culture we have the El Dia the Mexican culture we have the El Dia de los Muertos, the Day of the Dead. So, de los Muertos, the Day of the Dead. So, de los Muertos, the Day of the Dead. So, we learn to to be okay with it. We learn we learn to to be okay with it. We learn we learn to to be okay with it. We learn to accept it because, you know, in to accept it because, you know, in to accept it because, you know, in Mexico Mexico Mexico or third world country, death is or third world country, death is or third world country, death is everywhere. You can see it everywhere. everywhere. You can see it everywhere. everywhere. You can see it everywhere. You know, I'm from the north of Mexico, You know, I'm from the north of Mexico, You know, I'm from the north of Mexico, Sinaloa. And you see people with the Sinaloa. And you see people with the Sinaloa. And you see people with the chopped heads and hanged up and, you chopped heads and hanged up and, you chopped heads and hanged up and, you know, you go to school and people are know, you go to school and people are know, you go to school and people are are dead. So, what do you what do you are dead. So, what do you what do you are dead. So, what do you what do you end up doing in that in this moment? You end up doing in that in this moment? You end up doing in that in this moment? You end up believing that God will protect end up believing that God will protect end up believing that God will protect you. That's your spirituality. you. That's your spirituality. you. That's your spirituality. Right? And just like what I don't want a Right? And just like what I don't want a Right? And just like what I don't want a a person to break into my house, you get a person to break into my house, you get a person to break into my house, you get a dog. a dog. a dog. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Right? >> Right? >> Right? And so that the mother nature to protect And so that the mother nature to protect And so that the mother nature to protect you. you. you. So, for us when when we grow up that way So, for us when when we grow up that way So, for us when when we grow up that way seeing death everywhere, we learn to seeing death everywhere, we learn to seeing death everywhere, we learn to surrender to this higher power. Right? surrender to this higher power. Right? surrender to this higher power. Right? And we are what you believe, you know? And we are what you believe, you know? And we are what you believe, you know? So, So, So, it's it's really good, you know, in in it's it's really good, you know, in in it's it's really good, you know, in in in our experience to be able to in our experience to be able to in our experience to be able to surrender to death, but at the same time surrender to death, but at the same time surrender to death, but at the same time we also surrender that somebody's going we also surrender that somebody's going we also surrender that somebody's going to give us direction, protection, love. to give us direction, protection, love. to give us direction, protection, love. The same thing is the pack leader. The same thing is the pack leader. The same thing is the pack leader. Right? And we just surrender to that. Right? And we just surrender to that. Right? And we just surrender to that. Right? And as well we surrender to earth Right? And as well we surrender to earth Right? And as well we surrender to earth giving us food and taking care of earth giving us food and taking care of earth giving us food and taking care of earth cuz it's a it's a it's a combination of cuz it's a it's a it's a combination of cuz it's a it's a it's a combination of spirituality and instincts in a third spirituality and instincts in a third spirituality and instincts in a third world country. world country. world country. >> So, it's almost like people in third >> So, it's almost like people in third >> So, it's almost like people in third world countries world countries world countries place sort of they see the reality of place sort of they see the reality of place sort of they see the reality of death early and they place death early and they place death early and they place themselves in a a sort of hierarchy. themselves in a a sort of hierarchy. themselves in a a sort of hierarchy. They look upward often times, not They look upward often times, not They look upward often times, not always, but often times these are always, but often times these are always, but often times these are religious people, right? Um religious people, right? Um religious people, right? Um my father's from Argentina and is a my father's from Argentina and is a my father's from Argentina and is a Catholic country and is a Catholic country and is a Catholic country and is a >> Latinos for for >> Latinos for for >> Latinos for for by design we we are by design we we are by design we we are taught to uh first. taught to uh first. taught to uh first. And then second is mother nature. And then second is mother nature. And then second is mother nature. Right? Yeah, it's number you know, Right? Yeah, it's number you know, Right? Yeah, it's number you know, that's the It's like an order. And then that's the It's like an order. And then that's the It's like an order. And then you have to go to work. you have to go to work. you have to go to work. Right? So, job is number three. Right? So, job is number three. Right? So, job is number three. And then you have to love the family. And then you have to love the family. And then you have to love the family. And then love is at the at the end. And then love is at the at the end. And then love is at the at the end. Right? But it's God first, Earth second, Right? But it's God first, Earth second, Right? But it's God first, Earth second, which and then it's family or work. which and then it's family or work. which and then it's family or work. >> Well, here in the United States, it's >> Well, here in the United States, it's >> Well, here in the United States, it's we're raised very differently. we're raised very differently. we're raised very differently. >> Yeah, self first. >> Yeah, self first. >> Yeah, self first. >> And it's also this idea that stuff >> And it's also this idea that stuff >> And it's also this idea that stuff is the portal to is the portal to is the portal to >> happiness. >> happiness. >> happiness. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Having latest phone, having access to >> Having latest phone, having access to >> Having latest phone, having access to all the apps. all the apps. all the apps. >> Shoes, a lot of shoes. >> Shoes, a lot of shoes. >> Shoes, a lot of shoes. >> Shoes, bags. >> Shoes, bags. >> Shoes, bags. >> up with one pair of shoes. >> up with one pair of shoes. >> up with one pair of shoes. You know, one pair of shoes. And so we You know, one pair of shoes. And so we You know, one pair of shoes. And so we grew up with very nothing. But then so grew up with very nothing. But then so grew up with very nothing. But then so what How do we stay happy? what How do we stay happy? what How do we stay happy? Right? How do we stay happy? So, it Right? How do we stay happy? So, it Right? How do we stay happy? So, it becomes like a belief system, right? And becomes like a belief system, right? And becomes like a belief system, right? And so that belief system so that belief system so that belief system has helped a lot of people that I know has helped a lot of people that I know has helped a lot of people that I know there to stay happy. It's just a happy there to stay happy. It's just a happy there to stay happy. It's just a happy people with nothing. With just the key, people with nothing. With just the key, people with nothing. With just the key, right? You first have to be learn to be right? You first have to be learn to be right? You first have to be learn to be happy, healthy, loving, smart with happy, healthy, loving, smart with happy, healthy, loving, smart with nothing. Then when you have something, nothing. Then when you have something, nothing. Then when you have something, and then you're already happy, healthy, and then you're already happy, healthy, and then you're already happy, healthy, loving, smart. Right? It just adds into loving, smart. Right? It just adds into loving, smart. Right? It just adds into your accomplishments. But animals don't your accomplishments. But animals don't your accomplishments. But animals don't understand money, fame, power. Animals understand money, fame, power. Animals understand money, fame, power. Animals understand natural, simple, profound. understand natural, simple, profound. understand natural, simple, profound. So, that's the part that I grew up in. So, that's the part that I grew up in. So, that's the part that I grew up in. >> Natural, simple, profound. >> Natural, simple, profound. >> Natural, simple, profound. >> Natural is your instinct. Simple is to >> Natural is your instinct. Simple is to >> Natural is your instinct. Simple is to love. Profound is your spirit. Natural, love. Profound is your spirit. Natural, love. Profound is your spirit. Natural, simple, profound. simple, profound. simple, profound. So, even if you're not smart, right? You So, even if you're not smart, right? You So, even if you're not smart, right? You can still be natural, simple, profound can still be natural, simple, profound can still be natural, simple, profound and have an amazing relationship with and have an amazing relationship with and have an amazing relationship with animals. Incredible. Right? Even if animals. Incredible. Right? Even if animals. Incredible. Right? Even if you're not you don't know how to read, you're not you don't know how to read, you're not you don't know how to read, you don't know how to write, you don't you don't know how to write, you don't you don't know how to write, you don't know where Europe is. know where Europe is. know where Europe is. But you can still have an amazing But you can still have an amazing But you can still have an amazing relationship with God and with mother relationship with God and with mother relationship with God and with mother nature and with your family. nature and with your family. nature and with your family. Right? Therefore, if you're good to Right? Therefore, if you're good to Right? Therefore, if you're good to those three, you're good to you. those three, you're good to you. those three, you're good to you. >> I used to joke cuz I'd bring Costello to >> I used to joke cuz I'd bring Costello to >> I used to joke cuz I'd bring Costello to my lab with me. my lab with me. my lab with me. My lab had about 15 people. I'd walk in My lab had about 15 people. I'd walk in My lab had about 15 people. I'd walk in with him and and he'd go around and he with him and and he'd go around and he with him and and he'd go around and he like walking into the lab he'd see all like walking into the lab he'd see all like walking into the lab he'd see all the students and people working. He used the students and people working. He used the students and people working. He used to bring his toy around to each of them to bring his toy around to each of them to bring his toy around to each of them sitting at their desk or trying to get sitting at their desk or trying to get sitting at their desk or trying to get them to play. them to play. them to play. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> He was part of the lab and and people >> He was part of the lab and and people >> He was part of the lab and and people really I like to think they loved him. really I like to think they loved him. really I like to think they loved him. They told me anyway that. They told me anyway that. They told me anyway that. But I used to look at him sometimes I But I used to look at him sometimes I But I used to look at him sometimes I think it think it think it he doesn't care that I'm the professor. he doesn't care that I'm the professor. he doesn't care that I'm the professor. He doesn't care that's the best part He doesn't care that's the best part He doesn't care that's the best part about this relationship. He doesn't about this relationship. He doesn't about this relationship. He doesn't care. He doesn't care even if we go home care. He doesn't care even if we go home care. He doesn't care even if we go home at night. Sometimes I would sleep in the at night. Sometimes I would sleep in the at night. Sometimes I would sleep in the lab back then. He doesn't care. lab back then. He doesn't care. lab back then. He doesn't care. He just wants us to be together. He He just wants us to be together. He He just wants us to be together. He wants his walks. He likes to pee on wants his walks. He likes to pee on wants his walks. He likes to pee on things and I just realized he just kind things and I just realized he just kind things and I just realized he just kind of wants to be around of wants to be around of wants to be around the joy of family, a laboratory. He just the joy of family, a laboratory. He just the joy of family, a laboratory. He just wants to be part of this and it really wants to be part of this and it really wants to be part of this and it really helped me to just remove the the helped me to just remove the the helped me to just remove the the the concept that he even knew what roles the concept that he even knew what roles the concept that he even knew what roles were or jobs [clears throat] were. It's were or jobs [clears throat] were. It's were or jobs [clears throat] were. It's just this place we went. I think dogs just this place we went. I think dogs just this place we went. I think dogs are wonderful way to look at the world are wonderful way to look at the world are wonderful way to look at the world differently and realize both how differently and realize both how differently and realize both how different we are as a species but also different we are as a species but also different we are as a species but also all these things that we've created that all these things that we've created that all these things that we've created that these are just human creations and these are just human creations and these are just human creations and they're important. Jobs are important they're important. Jobs are important they're important. Jobs are important obviously but but to not project that obviously but but to not project that obviously but but to not project that onto onto onto him but also him but also him but also it's very useful to not project that it's very useful to not project that it's very useful to not project that onto onto onto people in the world. I'm not going to people in the world. I'm not going to people in the world. I'm not going to point at any specific colleagues but I point at any specific colleagues but I point at any specific colleagues but I knew people who were very who are very knew people who were very who are very knew people who were very who are very prominent in their field prominent in their field prominent in their field and the way they go into the world is and the way they go into the world is and the way they go into the world is almost like disappointed because people almost like disappointed because people almost like disappointed because people weren't feeding them the adoration that weren't feeding them the adoration that weren't feeding them the adoration that they felt they deserved. But no one they felt they deserved. But no one they felt they deserved. But no one cares, right? Cuz they're in their own cares, right? Cuz they're in their own cares, right? Cuz they're in their own experience and I just mentioned this experience and I just mentioned this experience and I just mentioned this because yeah in your book and and these because yeah in your book and and these because yeah in your book and and these teachings of the that we've been talking teachings of the that we've been talking teachings of the that we've been talking about in about in about in today, they they taught me a lot about today, they they taught me a lot about today, they they taught me a lot about the human energetics. We're not dogs so the human energetics. We're not dogs so the human energetics. We're not dogs so we can't just transfer that in but it we can't just transfer that in but it we can't just transfer that in but it told me that like most of the time when told me that like most of the time when told me that like most of the time when we think we're operating from a place of we think we're operating from a place of we think we're operating from a place of like knowledge and roles and all this like knowledge and roles and all this like knowledge and roles and all this stuff there's something that's been stuff there's something that's been stuff there's something that's been constructed by humans like a uniform to constructed by humans like a uniform to constructed by humans like a uniform to show this person is in charge. They have show this person is in charge. They have show this person is in charge. They have all the stuff that reveals their all the stuff that reveals their all the stuff that reveals their accomplishments. The degrees on the accomplishments. The degrees on the accomplishments. The degrees on the wall. You take that stuff away wall. You take that stuff away wall. You take that stuff away and and and it's a very different kind of it's a very different kind of it's a very different kind of interaction. Like, who's this person? interaction. Like, who's this person? interaction. Like, who's this person? Like, what are they about? Like, what Like, what are they about? Like, what Like, what are they about? Like, what moves them forward or back? Are they a moves them forward or back? Are they a moves them forward or back? Are they a good person or a bad person? Are they good person or a bad person? Are they good person or a bad person? Are they scared? And it it I think it's very scared? And it it I think it's very scared? And it it I think it's very helpful if people learn to tap into this helpful if people learn to tap into this helpful if people learn to tap into this a little bit. a little bit. a little bit. >> when I go to people's home, uh the human >> when I go to people's home, uh the human >> when I go to people's home, uh the human tells you the story and the dog tells tells you the story and the dog tells tells you the story and the dog tells you the truth. you the truth. you the truth. Just by you looking at them. Just by you looking at them. Just by you looking at them. That's it. The dog immediately tells, That's it. The dog immediately tells, That's it. The dog immediately tells, "This is the energy we feel. This is the "This is the energy we feel. This is the "This is the energy we feel. This is the philosophy we practice and this is the philosophy we practice and this is the philosophy we practice and this is the actions we do." Immediately, the dog actions we do." Immediately, the dog actions we do." Immediately, the dog always He's the most honest member of always He's the most honest member of always He's the most honest member of your house. your house. your house. They don't know how to lie. They don't know how to lie. They don't know how to lie. See it? They don't know they don't know See it? They don't know they don't know See it? They don't know they don't know how to to to do what we humans do. how to to to do what we humans do. how to to to do what we humans do. They don't just just just just don't, They don't just just just just don't, They don't just just just just don't, right? So, it's I listen to the human right? So, it's I listen to the human right? So, it's I listen to the human because I I need to understand, okay, because I I need to understand, okay, because I I need to understand, okay, where is this human stuck? Right? And where is this human stuck? Right? And where is this human stuck? Right? And then through that conversation, I go, then through that conversation, I go, then through that conversation, I go, "Okay, what about it if we think of "Okay, what about it if we think of "Okay, what about it if we think of Don't think of spirit. Think about Don't think of spirit. Think about Don't think of spirit. Think about silence. Do you like silence? Okay, silence. Do you like silence? Okay, silence. Do you like silence? Okay, silence is part of the spiritual world. silence is part of the spiritual world. silence is part of the spiritual world. And what about calmness? Calmness I And what about calmness? Calmness I And what about calmness? Calmness I think I'm calm. Okay, let's breathe." think I'm calm. Okay, let's breathe." think I'm calm. Okay, let's breathe." And then I I change the the instinctual And then I I change the the instinctual And then I I change the the instinctual world just by just breathing, right? And world just by just breathing, right? And world just by just breathing, right? And then I start giving the information so then I start giving the information so then I start giving the information so the intellectual world is more simple, the intellectual world is more simple, the intellectual world is more simple, right? It's more clear with the nose, right? It's more clear with the nose, right? It's more clear with the nose, eyes, ears. Rules by limitation. I'm eyes, ears. Rules by limitation. I'm eyes, ears. Rules by limitation. I'm just giving this simple information, just giving this simple information, just giving this simple information, right? So, [clears throat] your mind right? So, [clears throat] your mind right? So, [clears throat] your mind knows how to execute. knows how to execute. knows how to execute. Right? And then when do I love? Hold on. Right? And then when do I love? Hold on. Right? And then when do I love? Hold on. Just Just wait. Wait. And And then when Just Just wait. Wait. And And then when Just Just wait. Wait. And And then when the dog goes the dog goes the dog goes "Now." That's when you love. Cuz I want "Now." That's when you love. Cuz I want "Now." That's when you love. Cuz I want to teach people to love silence, to love to teach people to love silence, to love to teach people to love silence, to love calmness, to love an open mind. calmness, to love an open mind. calmness, to love an open mind. Cuz people had learned to love an Cuz people had learned to love an Cuz people had learned to love an excited dog, an anxious dog, excited dog, an anxious dog, excited dog, an anxious dog, a dog that that had that was a victim, a dog that that had that was a victim, a dog that that had that was a victim, right? So, if you rescue a dog and then right? So, if you rescue a dog and then right? So, if you rescue a dog and then that dog was in a bad situation, that that dog was in a bad situation, that that dog was in a bad situation, that person goes and rescues a dog because he person goes and rescues a dog because he person goes and rescues a dog because he feels bad. And then if that same person feels bad. And then if that same person feels bad. And then if that same person starts telling everybody in the family starts telling everybody in the family starts telling everybody in the family what happened to that dog, So now the what happened to that dog, So now the what happened to that dog, So now the whole entire family feels bad for the whole entire family feels bad for the whole entire family feels bad for the dog. So when they describe the dog, they dog. So when they describe the dog, they dog. So when they describe the dog, they describe the past. So they learn to love describe the past. So they learn to love describe the past. So they learn to love the past. the past. the past. Cuz they feel sorry for this dog. So the Cuz they feel sorry for this dog. So the Cuz they feel sorry for this dog. So the dog now is fearful, controlling the dog now is fearful, controlling the dog now is fearful, controlling the house, you know, has it and doesn't house, you know, has it and doesn't house, you know, has it and doesn't listen to [clears throat] the humans. listen to [clears throat] the humans. listen to [clears throat] the humans. At the moment I grab the same dog and I At the moment I grab the same dog and I At the moment I grab the same dog and I bring him to the ranch and I give him bring him to the ranch and I give him bring him to the ranch and I give him silence, calmness and be part of the silence, calmness and be part of the silence, calmness and be part of the pack, that dog changes. pack, that dog changes. pack, that dog changes. They live in the moment. They live in the moment. They live in the moment. So really what happened to the past to a So really what happened to the past to a So really what happened to the past to a dog a month ago, a year ago is dog a month ago, a year ago is dog a month ago, a year ago is irrelevant. irrelevant. irrelevant. It's irrelevant. What's relevant is how It's irrelevant. What's relevant is how It's irrelevant. What's relevant is how do you treat him now? do you treat him now? do you treat him now? Right? And the only thing they need to Right? And the only thing they need to Right? And the only thing they need to to become good is is safe, peace to become good is is safe, peace to become good is is safe, peace environment. environment. environment. A trust, respect human with exercise, A trust, respect human with exercise, A trust, respect human with exercise, discipline or the or exercise, mental discipline or the or exercise, mental discipline or the or exercise, mental stimulation, activities. stimulation, activities. stimulation, activities. Then the love comes at the end. Safe, Then the love comes at the end. Safe, Then the love comes at the end. Safe, peace, love. Trust, respect, love. peace, love. Trust, respect, love. peace, love. Trust, respect, love. Exercise, discipline, affection. Exercise, discipline, affection. Exercise, discipline, affection. See, love is number three. It's a See, love is number three. It's a See, love is number three. It's a reward. reward. reward. Right? Right? Right? It's a reward. How do you stay happy? It's a reward. How do you stay happy? It's a reward. How do you stay happy? Well, and then you are grateful. How do Well, and then you are grateful. How do Well, and then you are grateful. How do you stay healthy? You learn how to you stay healthy? You learn how to you stay healthy? You learn how to breathe and do exercise. How do you stay breathe and do exercise. How do you stay breathe and do exercise. How do you stay smart? Well, you learn, you achieve and smart? Well, you learn, you achieve and smart? Well, you learn, you achieve and you give it away. Or you learn to turn you give it away. Or you learn to turn you give it away. Or you learn to turn your mind off. your mind off. your mind off. And then Uh so when do I practice love? And then Uh so when do I practice love? And then Uh so when do I practice love? Well, practice love once you master your Well, practice love once you master your Well, practice love once you master your spirit, your instinct and your mind. spirit, your instinct and your mind. spirit, your instinct and your mind. Then love that thing about you. Then love that thing about you. Then love that thing about you. Right? Love Love Love those three things Right? Love Love Love those three things Right? Love Love Love those three things about you. Your silence, your faith, about you. Your silence, your faith, about you. Your silence, your faith, your calmness, your trust to you and your calmness, your trust to you and your calmness, your trust to you and then your confidence, your mind. Love then your confidence, your mind. Love then your confidence, your mind. Love that. that. that. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Can dogs smell stress? >> Can dogs smell stress? >> Can dogs smell stress? >> Yeah. Feel stress, it smells. But >> Yeah. Feel stress, it smells. But >> Yeah. Feel stress, it smells. But remember, it's it's it's the feeling of remember, it's it's it's the feeling of remember, it's it's it's the feeling of the energy that you have inside, your the energy that you have inside, your the energy that you have inside, your electricity, right? electricity, right? electricity, right? You're You're not functioning normal, You're You're not functioning normal, You're You're not functioning normal, then that same energy is going to create then that same energy is going to create then that same energy is going to create a chemistry. a chemistry. a chemistry. Right? Then you're going to sweat and I Right? Then you're going to sweat and I Right? Then you're going to sweat and I mean, it's just going to go into a the mean, it's just going to go into a the mean, it's just going to go into a the nose, eyes, ears. And but it's first is nose, eyes, ears. And but it's first is nose, eyes, ears. And but it's first is without the nose, eyes, ears, just the without the nose, eyes, ears, just the without the nose, eyes, ears, just the animal in them is going to sense. Let's animal in them is going to sense. Let's animal in them is going to sense. Let's When an earthquake is about to come they When an earthquake is about to come they When an earthquake is about to come they sense it way before it sense it way before it sense it way before it it trembles. it trembles. it trembles. You see it? So that energy of mother You see it? So that energy of mother You see it? So that energy of mother nature is shifting at a such a high low nature is shifting at a such a high low nature is shifting at a such a high low level of sensitivity then then we see level of sensitivity then then we see level of sensitivity then then we see then we hear things. then we hear things. then we hear things. >> Humans are so obsessed with dog {quote} >> Humans are so obsessed with dog {quote} >> Humans are so obsessed with dog {quote} {unquote} intelligence that looks like {unquote} intelligence that looks like {unquote} intelligence that looks like our intelligence. Like if I see another our intelligence. Like if I see another our intelligence. Like if I see another video of like how many words a dog can video of like how many words a dog can video of like how many words a dog can learn or you know dogs doing tricks or learn or you know dogs doing tricks or learn or you know dogs doing tricks or walking on their hind legs. I walking on their hind legs. I walking on their hind legs. I None of that impresses me. And I also None of that impresses me. And I also None of that impresses me. And I also like cephalopods octopuses have a couple like cephalopods octopuses have a couple like cephalopods octopuses have a couple of them actually and I'm fascinated by of them actually and I'm fascinated by of them actually and I'm fascinated by them and people think they're extremely them and people think they're extremely them and people think they're extremely intelligent and they intelligent and they intelligent and they maybe, but I'm interested in their maybe, but I'm interested in their maybe, but I'm interested in their intelligence. You can find a video of a intelligence. You can find a video of a intelligence. You can find a video of a guy who taught an octopus to play a guy who taught an octopus to play a guy who taught an octopus to play a piano. But if you look at the training piano. But if you look at the training piano. But if you look at the training process process process it was just shaping, right? Reward this it was just shaping, right? Reward this it was just shaping, right? Reward this and reward that. That video I'll go on and reward that. That video I'll go on and reward that. That video I'll go on record saying totally unimpressive to record saying totally unimpressive to record saying totally unimpressive to me. It tells you far more about the me. It tells you far more about the me. It tells you far more about the trainer's willingness to painstakingly trainer's willingness to painstakingly trainer's willingness to painstakingly shape an animal than it does about shape an animal than it does about shape an animal than it does about octopuses at all. I I mean I'm not octopuses at all. I I mean I'm not octopuses at all. I I mean I'm not saying a an ant or a plant could have saying a an ant or a plant could have saying a an ant or a plant could have learned to play the piano, but what he learned to play the piano, but what he learned to play the piano, but what he did could be done with a horse if it did could be done with a horse if it did could be done with a horse if it just had big keys. So it's there's just had big keys. So it's there's just had big keys. So it's there's nothing interesting about this, but nothing interesting about this, but nothing interesting about this, but humans we seem obsessed with humans we seem obsessed with humans we seem obsessed with transferring our let's keep it to first transferring our let's keep it to first transferring our let's keep it to first world because that seems world because that seems world because that seems aligned here. Our first world aligned here. Our first world aligned here. Our first world understanding of what intelligence and understanding of what intelligence and understanding of what intelligence and knowledge is and skill is knowledge is and skill is knowledge is and skill is and putting that onto other species. And and putting that onto other species. And and putting that onto other species. And it it it it's crazy. It's crazy. It doesn't it's crazy. It's crazy. It doesn't it's crazy. It's crazy. It doesn't reveal anything except our own reveal anything except our own reveal anything except our own short-sightedness and and stubbornness short-sightedness and and stubbornness short-sightedness and and stubbornness about being unwilling to think about about being unwilling to think about about being unwilling to think about these other ways of communication and these other ways of communication and these other ways of communication and moving through the world. moving through the world. moving through the world. >> Well, is that that self-oriented first >> Well, is that that self-oriented first >> Well, is that that self-oriented first versus pack-oriented, you know, what is versus pack-oriented, you know, what is versus pack-oriented, you know, what is what the pack needs versus what is what what the pack needs versus what is what what the pack needs versus what is what you want? Right? So that that is more you want? Right? So that that is more you want? Right? So that that is more like what where when the human just like what where when the human just like what where when the human just wants a baby for example and they get a wants a baby for example and they get a wants a baby for example and they get a dog. Humanizing a dog is a is a good for dog. Humanizing a dog is a is a good for dog. Humanizing a dog is a is a good for the dog, no? Right? It's not good. It's the dog, no? Right? It's not good. It's the dog, no? Right? It's not good. It's good for the human, good for the human, good for the human, you know, it's good for the human you know, it's good for the human you know, it's good for the human fantasy and and fantasy and and fantasy and and fulfillment, uh fulfillment, uh fulfillment, uh emotional fulfillment or whatever thing emotional fulfillment or whatever thing emotional fulfillment or whatever thing they have in their mind. But is it is it they have in their mind. But is it is it they have in their mind. But is it is it good for the dog to be a human? Why good for the dog to be a human? Why good for the dog to be a human? Why would he wants to be a human? Why they would he wants to be a human? Why they would he wants to be a human? Why they don't try try to do the same thing with don't try try to do the same thing with don't try try to do the same thing with a cat? Because the what they say is is a a cat? Because the what they say is is a a cat? Because the what they say is is a cat. So, you can't humanize a cat. cat. So, you can't humanize a cat. cat. So, you can't humanize a cat. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You see what I'm saying? So, the cat >> You see what I'm saying? So, the cat >> You see what I'm saying? So, the cat sends the human hell, right? Yeah, cuz a sends the human hell, right? Yeah, cuz a sends the human hell, right? Yeah, cuz a cat only comes whenever he wants to cat only comes whenever he wants to cat only comes whenever he wants to come, so you can't influence anybody who come, so you can't influence anybody who come, so you can't influence anybody who doesn't want to be with you. doesn't want to be with you. doesn't want to be with you. Yeah, right? The dog, you have to teach Yeah, right? The dog, you have to teach Yeah, right? The dog, you have to teach him to live without you. him to live without you. him to live without you. Right? He has to learn to keep you Right? He has to learn to keep you Right? He has to learn to keep you distant cuz he's a pack oriented. So, distant cuz he's a pack oriented. So, distant cuz he's a pack oriented. So, you you can influence a dog much quicker you you can influence a dog much quicker you you can influence a dog much quicker than you influence a cat. than you influence a cat. than you influence a cat. Right? You can't influence anybody who Right? You can't influence anybody who Right? You can't influence anybody who doesn't want to follow you. doesn't want to follow you. doesn't want to follow you. >> How do you feel about cats? >> How do you feel about cats? >> How do you feel about cats? >> I love cats. I love all animals, you >> I love cats. I love all animals, you >> I love cats. I love all animals, you know. I I was going to invite you to the know. I I was going to invite you to the know. I I was going to invite you to the ranch cuz we have all the species and we ranch cuz we have all the species and we ranch cuz we have all the species and we can assess and evaluate your dog better, can assess and evaluate your dog better, can assess and evaluate your dog better, right? With the chickens and the dogs right? With the chickens and the dogs right? With the chickens and the dogs and the different species, so so we can and the different species, so so we can and the different species, so so we can see the prey drive. see the prey drive. see the prey drive. You know, and you can you you you you You know, and you can you you you you You know, and you can you you you you you you are going to you you are going to you you are going to be able to see do you have a dog with be able to see do you have a dog with be able to see do you have a dog with prey drive and how do we block it? prey drive and how do we block it? prey drive and how do we block it? Right? Or you have a dog with play drive Right? Or you have a dog with play drive Right? Or you have a dog with play drive and you just leave it open. and you just leave it open. and you just leave it open. >> Yeah, I'd love to bring Strummer out >> Yeah, I'd love to bring Strummer out >> Yeah, I'd love to bring Strummer out there. there. there. >> it's a good place because your dog gets >> it's a good place because your dog gets >> it's a good place because your dog gets to interact not just with dogs, but with to interact not just with dogs, but with to interact not just with dogs, but with other species that trigger the prey other species that trigger the prey other species that trigger the prey drive. Very, very important cuz what drive. Very, very important cuz what drive. Very, very important cuz what makes your dog social is that he learns makes your dog social is that he learns makes your dog social is that he learns to accept others. to accept others. to accept others. See, I I don't want a dog that that that See, I I don't want a dog that that that See, I I don't want a dog that that that has a has a has a protective drive or I'm not interested protective drive or I'm not interested protective drive or I'm not interested in that, right? I just want a dog that in that, right? I just want a dog that in that, right? I just want a dog that accepts everybody. accepts everybody. accepts everybody. Yeah, and that's a dog that is going to Yeah, and that's a dog that is going to Yeah, and that's a dog that is going to give you zero lawsuits, zero liability, give you zero lawsuits, zero liability, give you zero lawsuits, zero liability, right? Cuz he accepts everybody. right? Cuz he accepts everybody. right? Cuz he accepts everybody. >> Yeah, I know people >> Yeah, I know people >> Yeah, I know people in California in particular whose dogs in California in particular whose dogs in California in particular whose dogs charged other people lawsuits. Like it charged other people lawsuits. Like it charged other people lawsuits. Like it even if they didn't bite, it's that's a even if they didn't bite, it's that's a even if they didn't bite, it's that's a whole thing. whole thing. whole thing. >> a lawsuit. It could be a dog that was >> a lawsuit. It could be a dog that was >> a lawsuit. It could be a dog that was not meant for protection. But because it not meant for protection. But because it not meant for protection. But because it doesn't have rules, boundaries, doesn't have rules, boundaries, doesn't have rules, boundaries, limitations, it doesn't walk and you limitations, it doesn't walk and you limitations, it doesn't walk and you know, every day the dog is bored, know, every day the dog is bored, know, every day the dog is bored, confused, or frustrated. And then he confused, or frustrated. And then he confused, or frustrated. And then he releases that because he's a predator. releases that because he's a predator. releases that because he's a predator. Dog by nature is a predator. They're Dog by nature is a predator. They're Dog by nature is a predator. They're going to move forward to release energy. going to move forward to release energy. going to move forward to release energy. You see it? So, but you want them to You see it? So, but you want them to You see it? So, but you want them to move forward with the right state of move forward with the right state of move forward with the right state of mind. mind. mind. Right? Or when you tell the dog to move Right? Or when you tell the dog to move Right? Or when you tell the dog to move forward. forward. forward. Right? That's That's just discipline. Right? That's That's just discipline. Right? That's That's just discipline. And but people don't don't have that And but people don't don't have that And but people don't don't have that kind of understanding. And the dog end kind of understanding. And the dog end kind of understanding. And the dog end up doing whatever they want. So, the dog up doing whatever they want. So, the dog up doing whatever they want. So, the dog end up, you know, putting people in a end up, you know, putting people in a end up, you know, putting people in a loss of which another another uh loss of which another another uh loss of which another another uh place where the dog doesn't know you're place where the dog doesn't know you're place where the dog doesn't know you're getting sued about it, you know? So, getting sued about it, you know? So, getting sued about it, you know? So, he's not going to Oh my god, we're going he's not going to Oh my god, we're going he's not going to Oh my god, we're going to We're going to lose money, you know? to We're going to lose money, you know? to We're going to lose money, you know? The dog is not going to understand that The dog is not going to understand that The dog is not going to understand that concept. concept. concept. >> Yeah, we as humans we we project so much >> Yeah, we as humans we we project so much >> Yeah, we as humans we we project so much onto other species, other people. onto other species, other people. onto other species, other people. And in the backdrop of everything we're And in the backdrop of everything we're And in the backdrop of everything we're talking about, I'm talking about, I'm talking about, I'm I'm hoping that people are seeing the I'm hoping that people are seeing the I'm hoping that people are seeing the ways in which ways in which ways in which they can show up into circumstances with they can show up into circumstances with they can show up into circumstances with more calmness. more calmness. more calmness. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Especially if it's not reflexive. >> Especially if it's not reflexive. >> Especially if it's not reflexive. You know, before every episode, I I You know, before every episode, I I You know, before every episode, I I pray. I do. I I ask for certain things. pray. I do. I I ask for certain things. pray. I do. I I ask for certain things. I try and to open up certain things so I try and to open up certain things so I try and to open up certain things so that that that um um um I realize not all of this is under our I realize not all of this is under our I realize not all of this is under our control. That's my belief. And I try and control. That's my belief. And I try and control. That's my belief. And I try and invite certain things in. So, it's not invite certain things in. So, it's not invite certain things in. So, it's not reflexive. I do it as a You call it a a reflexive. I do it as a You call it a a reflexive. I do it as a You call it a a discipline. I'm happy to do it, but um I discipline. I'm happy to do it, but um I discipline. I'm happy to do it, but um I think people assume think people assume think people assume that you're either calm or you're an that you're either calm or you're an that you're either calm or you're an anxious person. anxious person. anxious person. People assume that their dog is either People assume that their dog is either People assume that their dog is either calm or anxious. calm or anxious. calm or anxious. This is a terrible This is a terrible This is a terrible misconception. I think we we can become misconception. I think we we can become misconception. I think we we can become calmer regardless of where we are in our calmer regardless of where we are in our calmer regardless of where we are in our natural levels of anxiety. natural levels of anxiety. natural levels of anxiety. >> do not will never choose anxiety or be a >> do not will never choose anxiety or be a >> do not will never choose anxiety or be a living anxious life. We're the only living anxious life. We're the only living anxious life. We're the only species that follow unstable leaders. species that follow unstable leaders. species that follow unstable leaders. Right? So, to be the pack leader in a in Right? So, to be the pack leader in a in Right? So, to be the pack leader in a in the animal world, you have to be the the animal world, you have to be the the animal world, you have to be the most patient, the most calm, the most most patient, the most calm, the most most patient, the most calm, the most confident, the most loving, the more confident, the most loving, the more confident, the most loving, the more joyful. Everything has to be at 100%. joyful. Everything has to be at 100%. joyful. Everything has to be at 100%. Then you can be a pack leader. Then you can be a pack leader. Then you can be a pack leader. Right? And your job is to resolve Right? And your job is to resolve Right? And your job is to resolve problems. problems. problems. That's practically it. So, the least That's practically it. So, the least That's practically it. So, the least thing you can do is to bring problems, thing you can do is to bring problems, thing you can do is to bring problems, anxiety, fear, insecurities. All of that anxiety, fear, insecurities. All of that anxiety, fear, insecurities. All of that stuff is is something that you bring stuff is is something that you bring stuff is is something that you bring back home. You don't want that. back home. You don't want that. back home. You don't want that. >> So, before people hit the door coming >> So, before people hit the door coming >> So, before people hit the door coming home, they should do a a check-in with home, they should do a a check-in with home, they should do a a check-in with themselves. themselves. themselves. >> prayer, [clears throat] too. >> prayer, [clears throat] too. >> prayer, [clears throat] too. God, just let me be silent, calm, God, just let me be silent, calm, God, just let me be silent, calm, confident, loving, joy to my dog. confident, loving, joy to my dog. confident, loving, joy to my dog. That's it. I might I want to practice no That's it. I might I want to practice no That's it. I might I want to practice no touching, no talking, no eye contact, touching, no talking, no eye contact, touching, no talking, no eye contact, and just help my dog to calm down, and and just help my dog to calm down, and and just help my dog to calm down, and then I'm going to give him affection. then I'm going to give him affection. then I'm going to give him affection. I'm not saying not to give affection. I'm not saying not to give affection. I'm not saying not to give affection. I'm just saying give affection to I'm just saying give affection to I'm just saying give affection to patience and calmness and open mind. patience and calmness and open mind. patience and calmness and open mind. Right? Cuz when you when your dog Right? Cuz when you when your dog Right? Cuz when you when your dog misbehave, you want him to go back misbehave, you want him to go back misbehave, you want him to go back there. there. there. Go back to your good state of mind, Go back to your good state of mind, Go back to your good state of mind, right? You don't want the dog to do right? You don't want the dog to do right? You don't want the dog to do fight-flight-avoidance. fight-flight-avoidance. fight-flight-avoidance. Those are the bad state of mind. The Those are the bad state of mind. The Those are the bad state of mind. The good state of mind is patience, calm, good state of mind is patience, calm, good state of mind is patience, calm, surrender, or happy-go-lucky. Those are surrender, or happy-go-lucky. Those are surrender, or happy-go-lucky. Those are good state of mind. good state of mind. good state of mind. >> I think >> I think >> I think here I'm projecting a lot and assuming a here I'm projecting a lot and assuming a here I'm projecting a lot and assuming a lot, but I think a lot of people lot, but I think a lot of people lot, but I think a lot of people deep down, I think they probably like deep down, I think they probably like deep down, I think they probably like that their dog is so, quote-unquote, that their dog is so, quote-unquote, that their dog is so, quote-unquote, happy to see them at the end of the day. happy to see them at the end of the day. happy to see them at the end of the day. Because I think many people feel devoid Because I think many people feel devoid Because I think many people feel devoid of real love and connection, and the of real love and connection, and the of real love and connection, and the idea that their fur baby, I really don't idea that their fur baby, I really don't idea that their fur baby, I really don't like this term. They're not babies. Yes, like this term. They're not babies. Yes, like this term. They're not babies. Yes, they have fur, but like they have fur, but like they have fur, but like I think out of respect for animals, we I think out of respect for animals, we I think out of respect for animals, we have to remember that they're animals have to remember that they're animals have to remember that they're animals first. I When I heard first heard you first. I When I heard first heard you first. I When I heard first heard you say like they're, you know, their spirit say like they're, you know, their spirit say like they're, you know, their spirit animal, you know, animal, you know, animal, you know, species, and then breed, and then the species, and then breed, and then the species, and then breed, and then the name. It was so helpful for me. Because name. It was so helpful for me. Because name. It was so helpful for me. Because I don't want to get into it here cuz I don't want to get into it here cuz I don't want to get into it here cuz it's not directly relevant, but in it's not directly relevant, but in it's not directly relevant, but in science, I've worked with humans. science, I've worked with humans. science, I've worked with humans. I worked with animals, and I you know, I I worked with animals, and I you know, I I worked with animals, and I you know, I stopped working with animals cuz it was stopped working with animals cuz it was stopped working with animals cuz it was really hard on my soul. Yeah. I really hard on my soul. Yeah. I really hard on my soul. Yeah. I understand biomedical research. I understand biomedical research. I understand biomedical research. I understand what is a whole other understand what is a whole other understand what is a whole other discussion, but even just the way that discussion, but even just the way that discussion, but even just the way that people would start to talk about people would start to talk about people would start to talk about animals, like we work on them, not with animals, like we work on them, not with animals, like we work on them, not with them. And this is a complicated issue we them. And this is a complicated issue we them. And this is a complicated issue we could get into sometime, but I started could get into sometime, but I started could get into sometime, but I started to realize that we start using words to realize that we start using words to realize that we start using words to either dehumanize to either dehumanize to either dehumanize or humanize animals. And both are or humanize animals. And both are or humanize animals. And both are terrible. terrible. terrible. So when I heard you give this So when I heard you give this So when I heard you give this description of, you know, spirit animal, description of, you know, spirit animal, description of, you know, spirit animal, etc. I was like, he's saying don't etc. I was like, he's saying don't etc. I was like, he's saying don't humanize humanize humanize >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> these animals because it makes them feel >> these animals because it makes them feel >> these animals because it makes them feel unsafe. unsafe. unsafe. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Or or confused. >> Or or confused. >> Or or confused. >> Or confused. Yeah. And years later I >> Or confused. Yeah. And years later I >> Or confused. Yeah. And years later I realized realized realized again, with all due respect to again, with all due respect to again, with all due respect to biomedical research and the need to make biomedical research and the need to make biomedical research and the need to make discoveries, I do think there's too much discoveries, I do think there's too much discoveries, I do think there's too much animal research that's unnecessary, animal research that's unnecessary, animal research that's unnecessary, these kinds of things, some is these kinds of things, some is these kinds of things, some is essential, but may etc. But I realized essential, but may etc. But I realized essential, but may etc. But I realized there there there we're dehumanizing animals. we're dehumanizing animals. we're dehumanizing animals. And I thought, oh my goodness, cuz I had And I thought, oh my goodness, cuz I had And I thought, oh my goodness, cuz I had this incredible contradiction in my this incredible contradiction in my this incredible contradiction in my mind. It was a real soul dilemma. mind. It was a real soul dilemma. mind. It was a real soul dilemma. Like, I love Costello. Like, I love Costello. Like, I love Costello. I I I I I I I it was like he he was a family member. I it was like he he was a family member. I it was like he he was a family member. And I was willing to do all this work on And I was willing to do all this work on And I was willing to do all this work on myself and with him, but in my myself and with him, but in my myself and with him, but in my profession, I was observing things where profession, I was observing things where profession, I was observing things where I thought this is I thought this is I thought this is not okay. not okay. not okay. And I stopped and I work with humans. And I stopped and I work with humans. And I stopped and I work with humans. Even saying I work on humans, you hear Even saying I work on humans, you hear Even saying I work on humans, you hear scientists say this is terrible, scientists say this is terrible, scientists say this is terrible, terrible. terrible. terrible. And I think words matter to humans and And I think words matter to humans and And I think words matter to humans and because they shape how we behave. because they shape how we behave. because they shape how we behave. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> And so I'm noticing a theme uh >> And so I'm noticing a theme uh >> And so I'm noticing a theme uh throughout today where you have s- words throughout today where you have s- words throughout today where you have s- words and simple ways for people to remember, and simple ways for people to remember, and simple ways for people to remember, no look, no touch, no speak, right? no look, no touch, no speak, right? no look, no touch, no speak, right? Exercise discipline then affection, etc. Exercise discipline then affection, etc. Exercise discipline then affection, etc. That's telling people people stuff in That's telling people people stuff in That's telling people people stuff in people language. people language. people language. But the level that you're really But the level that you're really But the level that you're really interested in and you're trying to interested in and you're trying to interested in and you're trying to convey is convey is convey is the animal experience and then the the animal experience and then the the animal experience and then the spiritual experience. I'm not trying to spiritual experience. I'm not trying to spiritual experience. I'm not trying to psychoanalyze you here, but I I this is psychoanalyze you here, but I I this is psychoanalyze you here, but I I this is the structure that I hear emerging that the structure that I hear emerging that the structure that I hear emerging that I think will be very useful to people I think will be very useful to people I think will be very useful to people Because we're going high-level, Because we're going high-level, Because we're going high-level, low-level low-level low-level all the time. all the time. all the time. So, So, So, if people could start to think about if people could start to think about if people could start to think about themselves in this way and think about themselves in this way and think about themselves in this way and think about their animals. their animals. their animals. >> I think a lot of people are going to >> I think a lot of people are going to >> I think a lot of people are going to say, say, say, "Oh, no. I "Oh, no. I "Oh, no. I come home and I want to be loved by my come home and I want to be loved by my come home and I want to be loved by my fur babies and I want them to and I miss fur babies and I want them to and I miss fur babies and I want them to and I miss you and I want to do FaceTime with you you and I want to do FaceTime with you you and I want to do FaceTime with you and like, you know, and and like, you know, and and like, you know, and I think people I think people I think people genuinely, however, want their animal to genuinely, however, want their animal to genuinely, however, want their animal to >> They want their animal to feel secure. >> They want their animal to feel secure. >> They want their animal to feel secure. >> Number one. >> Number one. >> Number one. >> And when I think about real love, it's >> And when I think about real love, it's >> And when I think about real love, it's about safety and security first. about safety and security first. about safety and security first. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, for someone that has like the other >> So, for someone that has like the other >> So, for someone that has like the other day I was in the hospital visiting a day I was in the hospital visiting a day I was in the hospital visiting a friend and the woman behind the counter, friend and the woman behind the counter, friend and the woman behind the counter, we were talking and she said, she said, we were talking and she said, she said, we were talking and she said, she said, "I have two Frenchies." "I have two Frenchies." "I have two Frenchies." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I said, "Well, you work long shifts." >> I said, "Well, you work long shifts." >> I said, "Well, you work long shifts." She goes, "Yeah, they're home alone. I She goes, "Yeah, they're home alone. I She goes, "Yeah, they're home alone. I come home, they're pooping and peeing. I come home, they're pooping and peeing. I come home, they're pooping and peeing. I feel so guilty." feel so guilty." feel so guilty." >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> And my first thought was, you shouldn't >> And my first thought was, you shouldn't >> And my first thought was, you shouldn't own those dogs. But she's in love with own those dogs. But she's in love with own those dogs. But she's in love with the dogs. the dogs. the dogs. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> I thought, "Well, okay." So, I passed >> I thought, "Well, okay." So, I passed >> I thought, "Well, okay." So, I passed along a little bit of what I learned. along a little bit of what I learned. along a little bit of what I learned. She said, "I" and she just said flat She said, "I" and she just said flat She said, "I" and she just said flat out, "I can't do it. out, "I can't do it. out, "I can't do it. I can't do it. There's no way I could I can't do it. There's no way I could I can't do it. There's no way I could come home and they're going crazy and come home and they're going crazy and come home and they're going crazy and I'm and excited to see me that I I'm and excited to see me that I I'm and excited to see me that I couldn't just pick them up and then just couldn't just pick them up and then just couldn't just pick them up and then just hold them." hold them." hold them." >> But it's making them anxious. >> But it's making them anxious. >> But it's making them anxious. >> She's nurturing them. >> She's nurturing them. >> She's nurturing them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The same nerves that is helping humans >> The same nerves that is helping humans >> The same nerves that is helping humans to be healthy, she's helping her dogs to to be healthy, she's helping her dogs to to be healthy, she's helping her dogs to be unhealthy. be unhealthy. be unhealthy. It's so contrary. That's exactly what It's so contrary. That's exactly what It's so contrary. That's exactly what you were going through, you know, you were going through, you know, you were going through, you know, working with humans versus working on working with humans versus working on working with humans versus working on humans, right? So, she's helping other humans, right? So, she's helping other humans, right? So, she's helping other specie, right? But the specie that she's specie, right? But the specie that she's specie, right? But the specie that she's in love with, she is not. But it's in love with, she is not. But it's in love with, she is not. But it's because the story she is because the story she is because the story she is is accepting in her head. She's agreeing is accepting in her head. She's agreeing is accepting in her head. She's agreeing with that, right? This I have so much with that, right? This I have so much with that, right? This I have so much guilt that I can't stop it, right? Cuz guilt that I can't stop it, right? Cuz guilt that I can't stop it, right? Cuz that's what she's trying to do, to numb that's what she's trying to do, to numb that's what she's trying to do, to numb her her guilt. her her guilt. her her guilt. >> When I was growing up, most people >> When I was growing up, most people >> When I was growing up, most people didn't have dogs in our neighborhood. didn't have dogs in our neighborhood. didn't have dogs in our neighborhood. Suburban neighborhood. Um Suburban neighborhood. Um Suburban neighborhood. Um there were a few dogs. Now, everyone's there were a few dogs. Now, everyone's there were a few dogs. Now, everyone's got a dog. It's like having a phone. got a dog. It's like having a phone. got a dog. It's like having a phone. Everyone's got a dog. Everyone's got a dog. Everyone's got a dog. This doesn't seem like a good thing. This doesn't seem like a good thing. This doesn't seem like a good thing. >> It's a great thing for me cuz I get I >> It's a great thing for me cuz I get I >> It's a great thing for me cuz I get I love to teach people, you know, love to teach people, you know, love to teach people, you know, about energy, philosophy, and actions. I about energy, philosophy, and actions. I about energy, philosophy, and actions. I want people to have a trust, respect, want people to have a trust, respect, want people to have a trust, respect, love, the most incredible relationship love, the most incredible relationship love, the most incredible relationship with a dog cuz you know, that's a dog with a dog cuz you know, that's a dog with a dog cuz you know, that's a dog really makes you a good human if you do really makes you a good human if you do really makes you a good human if you do things right. And then once you practice things right. And then once you practice things right. And then once you practice that, you can just give it to other that, you can just give it to other that, you can just give it to other humans cuz it makes it tangible. Does humans cuz it makes it tangible. Does humans cuz it makes it tangible. Does energy really work? Yeah. What about if energy really work? Yeah. What about if energy really work? Yeah. What about if I have a good philosophy? Does that I have a good philosophy? Does that I have a good philosophy? Does that really work? Yeah, it works. What about really work? Yeah, it works. What about really work? Yeah, it works. What about if my actions are good? Does that really if my actions are good? Does that really if my actions are good? Does that really work? Yes. Now you combine the three and work? Yes. Now you combine the three and work? Yes. Now you combine the three and watch what your dog does, right? And watch what your dog does, right? And watch what your dog does, right? And then you go and do the same thing with then you go and do the same thing with then you go and do the same thing with other humans. other humans. other humans. Right? So you create this beautiful Right? So you create this beautiful Right? So you create this beautiful trust, respect, love with humans, or trust, respect, love with humans, or trust, respect, love with humans, or connection, communication, relationship. connection, communication, relationship. connection, communication, relationship. You go and create safe, peace, and love You go and create safe, peace, and love You go and create safe, peace, and love environments. Horse people are really environments. Horse people are really environments. Horse people are really good about safety. Right? So So the good about safety. Right? So So the good about safety. Right? So So the priority in the horse world is not love. priority in the horse world is not love. priority in the horse world is not love. The priority is safe. The priority is safe. The priority is safe. So So a horse person is going to teach a So So a horse person is going to teach a So So a horse person is going to teach a child don't scream, not touch the dog, child don't scream, not touch the dog, child don't scream, not touch the dog, no eye contact, right? So the kid will no eye contact, right? So the kid will no eye contact, right? So the kid will learn that with a horse you have to be learn that with a horse you have to be learn that with a horse you have to be quiet, calm, and wait until the horse quiet, calm, and wait until the horse quiet, calm, and wait until the horse give you the signal. give you the signal. give you the signal. And the same person will go and teach And the same person will go and teach And the same person will go and teach the kid with dogs ask if you can pet the kid with dogs ask if you can pet the kid with dogs ask if you can pet them. them. them. Right? But because in the horse world Right? But because in the horse world Right? But because in the horse world safety is number one, safety is number one, safety is number one, how do you keep a horse calm? And you wait. And you wait. And then the horse calm What it What How And then the horse calm What it What How And then the horse calm What it What How do they walk a horse? The walk The horse do they walk a horse? The walk The horse do they walk a horse? The walk The horse is right behind next to the human, never is right behind next to the human, never is right behind next to the human, never in front. in front. in front. Right? So people can people you can see Right? So people can people you can see Right? So people can people you can see a little kid walking a horse. a little kid walking a horse. a little kid walking a horse. You see it? And the horse is behind the You see it? And the horse is behind the You see it? And the horse is behind the kid, not in front of the kid. kid, not in front of the kid. kid, not in front of the kid. But first is the meeting, and then the But first is the meeting, and then the But first is the meeting, and then the third thing is feeding the horse. If the third thing is feeding the horse. If the third thing is feeding the horse. If the horse is too excited, don't put the hay horse is too excited, don't put the hay horse is too excited, don't put the hay yet. Wait until the horse comes down, yet. Wait until the horse comes down, yet. Wait until the horse comes down, then the hay goes down. The meeting, the then the hay goes down. The meeting, the then the hay goes down. The meeting, the walk, and the feeding. walk, and the feeding. walk, and the feeding. >> Incredible. And they're big, so we have >> Incredible. And they're big, so we have >> Incredible. And they're big, so we have this natural respect for them that this natural respect for them that this natural respect for them that people don't necessarily have for a dog, people don't necessarily have for a dog, people don't necessarily have for a dog, but a dog obviously can bite, you know. but a dog obviously can bite, you know. but a dog obviously can bite, you know. >> But why not have that respect for >> But why not have that respect for >> But why not have that respect for someone that we say, you know, man a dog someone that we say, you know, man a dog someone that we say, you know, man a dog is man's best friend. Yeah, the dog has is man's best friend. Yeah, the dog has is man's best friend. Yeah, the dog has the best titles of all the animals in the best titles of all the animals in the best titles of all the animals in the on earth. Right? The dog. But when the on earth. Right? The dog. But when the on earth. Right? The dog. But when it comes to the actions, we don't honor it comes to the actions, we don't honor it comes to the actions, we don't honor the dog because we want the dog to be a the dog because we want the dog to be a the dog because we want the dog to be a human. human. human. We don't respect the dog because we want We don't respect the dog because we want We don't respect the dog because we want the dog to be a human. When you honor the dog to be a human. When you honor the dog to be a human. When you honor and respect somebody, you honor who they and respect somebody, you honor who they and respect somebody, you honor who they are. You respect who they are. You learn are. You respect who they are. You learn are. You respect who they are. You learn about how they are, and that's what you about how they are, and that's what you about how they are, and that's what you love. love. love. See it? You love who they are. You don't See it? You love who they are. You don't See it? You love who they are. You don't love what you think. You love who they love what you think. You love who they love what you think. You love who they are. are. are. >> And you don't try and project >> And you don't try and project >> And you don't try and project that they're somebody else. I think some that they're somebody else. I think some that they're somebody else. I think some people people people making assumptions here, but some people making assumptions here, but some people making assumptions here, but some people will hear some of what we're talking will hear some of what we're talking will hear some of what we're talking about today and they'll say, oh, well, about today and they'll say, oh, well, about today and they'll say, oh, well, that's how I should become the pack that's how I should become the pack that's how I should become the pack leader with people. I should never let leader with people. I should never let leader with people. I should never let anyone walk through a door before me or anyone walk through a door before me or anyone walk through a door before me or something like But the point you're something like But the point you're something like But the point you're trying to make is that human to human is trying to make is that human to human is trying to make is that human to human is different than animal to human. You different than animal to human. You different than animal to human. You don't just transfer the same thing. Some don't just transfer the same thing. Some don't just transfer the same thing. Some things transfer, but other things don't. things transfer, but other things don't. things transfer, but other things don't. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I've worked with non-human primates >> I've worked with non-human primates >> I've worked with non-human primates before. before. before. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> It's interesting, a lot of people go to >> It's interesting, a lot of people go to >> It's interesting, a lot of people go to the zoo. I'm not a big fan of, you know, the zoo. I'm not a big fan of, you know, the zoo. I'm not a big fan of, you know, putting large carnivores and primates in putting large carnivores and primates in putting large carnivores and primates in zoos. I'm not. I want to be clear. I zoos. I'm not. I want to be clear. I zoos. I'm not. I want to be clear. I don't, you know, I I don't, you know, I I don't, you know, I I I have issues with that. But people will I have issues with that. But people will I have issues with that. But people will smile at the monkey or they'll go like, smile at the monkey or they'll go like, smile at the monkey or they'll go like, you know, e e e e e. you know, e e e e e. you know, e e e e e. For a macaque monkey, For a macaque monkey, For a macaque monkey, bearing teeth is aggression. bearing teeth is aggression. bearing teeth is aggression. So, a friend of mine, she's an animal So, a friend of mine, she's an animal So, a friend of mine, she's an animal behaviorist, and she said, oh, no, if behaviorist, and she said, oh, no, if behaviorist, and she said, oh, no, if you if you want to do an affiliative you if you want to do an affiliative you if you want to do an affiliative behavior with with a monkey, behavior with with a monkey, behavior with with a monkey, you lip smack. you lip smack. you lip smack. Which sounds kind of cute and funny. Which sounds kind of cute and funny. Which sounds kind of cute and funny. And people go, oh, but you you could And people go, oh, but you you could And people go, oh, but you you could tell somebody that a hundred times, tell somebody that a hundred times, tell somebody that a hundred times, and they'll still go, e e e e e. Like and they'll still go, e e e e e. Like and they'll still go, e e e e e. Like it's like we want to project our own it's like we want to project our own it's like we want to project our own understanding of what we think understanding of what we think understanding of what we think is going on, and even in the presence of is going on, and even in the presence of is going on, and even in the presence of knowledge, your dog is going to feel knowledge, your dog is going to feel knowledge, your dog is going to feel more safe and secure and happy if you more safe and secure and happy if you more safe and secure and happy if you come in no look no touch no speak. come in no look no touch no speak. come in no look no touch no speak. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's something about the human brain >> There's something about the human brain >> There's something about the human brain where we just want to project no, but I where we just want to project no, but I where we just want to project no, but I want my experience. And it's an want my experience. And it's an want my experience. And it's an incredibly selfish thing. It was really incredibly selfish thing. It was really incredibly selfish thing. It was really the realization for me that it's very the realization for me that it's very the realization for me that it's very selfish of me to come home and want a selfish of me to come home and want a selfish of me to come home and want a certain kind of interaction with my pet, certain kind of interaction with my pet, certain kind of interaction with my pet, Costello, but to Costello, but to Costello, but to put the interaction in the terms that put the interaction in the terms that put the interaction in the terms that work for me. I And I said, you know, work for me. I And I said, you know, work for me. I And I said, you know, this is the first time I owned a dog. this is the first time I owned a dog. this is the first time I owned a dog. Everyone in my life for the longest time Everyone in my life for the longest time Everyone in my life for the longest time they're like, you're never I was talking they're like, you're never I was talking they're like, you're never I was talking about it since I was a kid. You're never about it since I was a kid. You're never about it since I was a kid. You're never going to get a dog. I waited until I had going to get a dog. I waited until I had going to get a dog. I waited until I had the finances, until I had a home. I the finances, until I had a home. I the finances, until I had a home. I waited. I'm very proud of the fact that waited. I'm very proud of the fact that waited. I'm very proud of the fact that I waited. I desperately wanted an animal I waited. I desperately wanted an animal I waited. I desperately wanted an animal for so long since I was a little kid. for so long since I was a little kid. for so long since I was a little kid. I had fish and things like that, but I I had fish and things like that, but I I had fish and things like that, but I wanted a dog. I knew at the time when I wanted a dog. I knew at the time when I wanted a dog. I knew at the time when I got him that it was the right time. got him that it was the right time. got him that it was the right time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I had to be very careful because I But I had to be very careful because I But I had to be very careful because I wanted it to go so well that I found wanted it to go so well that I found wanted it to go so well that I found myself projecting. What if he doesn't myself projecting. What if he doesn't myself projecting. What if he doesn't >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> What And there was all this >> What And there was all this >> What And there was all this stuff and then I read your book and I stuff and then I read your book and I stuff and then I read your book and I realized realized realized if I want this to go really well, I have if I want this to go really well, I have if I want this to go really well, I have to get out of my understanding of what I to get out of my understanding of what I to get out of my understanding of what I need need need >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> on my terms and start thinking about >> on my terms and start thinking about >> on my terms and start thinking about what what what he needs and I need he needs and I need he needs and I need >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> in his language. >> in his language. >> in his language. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it was like this light bulb went >> And it was like this light bulb went >> And it was like this light bulb went off. I'm just you know, this is really a off. I'm just you know, this is really a off. I'm just you know, this is really a a statement of gratitude that hopefully a statement of gratitude that hopefully a statement of gratitude that hopefully will be informative for people because will be informative for people because will be informative for people because we the human brain just says like, no, I we the human brain just says like, no, I we the human brain just says like, no, I want to be loved and so I'm going to do want to be loved and so I'm going to do want to be loved and so I'm going to do this thing that's actually harming the this thing that's actually harming the this thing that's actually harming the thing that I I say is my fur baby. thing that I I say is my fur baby. thing that I I say is my fur baby. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like no one would ever hurt their fur >> Like no one would ever hurt their fur >> Like no one would ever hurt their fur babies, but they're babies, but they're babies, but they're they're doing it. they're doing it. they're doing it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> By projecting human stuff. Anyway, I'm >> By projecting human stuff. Anyway, I'm >> By projecting human stuff. Anyway, I'm telling you what you already know, but I telling you what you already know, but I telling you what you already know, but I think it's just something I really want think it's just something I really want think it's just something I really want to underscore because people hear to underscore because people hear to underscore because people hear affection last. Like this is just a you affection last. Like this is just a you affection last. Like this is just a you know, guys being like, I'm alpha. No, know, guys being like, I'm alpha. No, know, guys being like, I'm alpha. No, it's the complete opposite of it. It's it's the complete opposite of it. It's it's the complete opposite of it. It's about respecting the animal. about respecting the animal. about respecting the animal. >> Yeah. It's it's about safe, peace, >> Yeah. It's it's about safe, peace, >> Yeah. It's it's about safe, peace, trust, respect. Once you have those two trust, respect. Once you have those two trust, respect. Once you have those two pillars, then you bring the love. Cuz pillars, then you bring the love. Cuz pillars, then you bring the love. Cuz that's what you want to love. You want that's what you want to love. You want that's what you want to love. You want to love the trust and respect. Not to love the trust and respect. Not to love the trust and respect. Not because you love people, you trust them. because you love people, you trust them. because you love people, you trust them. Not because you love people, you respect Not because you love people, you respect Not because you love people, you respect them. So, love love has his own energy, them. So, love love has his own energy, them. So, love love has his own energy, his own, you know, identity. But, you his own, you know, identity. But, you his own, you know, identity. But, you want to love trust. You want to love want to love trust. You want to love want to love trust. You want to love respect. That's what you want to love. respect. That's what you want to love. respect. That's what you want to love. You want to [clears throat] love a place You want to [clears throat] love a place You want to [clears throat] love a place that you feel safe and peace. That's that you feel safe and peace. That's that you feel safe and peace. That's what you want to love. That's the land what you want to love. That's the land what you want to love. That's the land part, right? And then the relation, part, right? And then the relation, part, right? And then the relation, trust, respect. Then, you know, the way trust, respect. Then, you know, the way trust, respect. Then, you know, the way you experience the world, body, mind, you experience the world, body, mind, you experience the world, body, mind, heart. Right? So, at least those three heart. Right? So, at least those three heart. Right? So, at least those three things. Just do it that way, you know, things. Just do it that way, you know, things. Just do it that way, you know, just put love at the end. It won't hurt just put love at the end. It won't hurt just put love at the end. It won't hurt you. you. you. It would only make you wiser, right? It It would only make you wiser, right? It It would only make you wiser, right? It will only make you more patient, more will only make you more patient, more will only make you more patient, more more more more more calm. And And you more more more more calm. And And you more more more more calm. And And you will see the outcome. Right? The reason will see the outcome. Right? The reason will see the outcome. Right? The reason why I said no touch, no talk, no eye why I said no touch, no talk, no eye why I said no touch, no talk, no eye contact is because if you want to touch contact is because if you want to touch contact is because if you want to touch a a back of the pack dog, he's going to a a back of the pack dog, he's going to a a back of the pack dog, he's going to run away. run away. run away. If you give eye contact to a front of If you give eye contact to a front of If you give eye contact to a front of the pack dog, is exactly what the the pack dog, is exactly what the the pack dog, is exactly what the monkeys is means it means fight when monkeys is means it means fight when monkeys is means it means fight when you're looking at somebody. I'm going to you're looking at somebody. I'm going to you're looking at somebody. I'm going to touch him, right? And then when you touch him, right? And then when you touch him, right? And then when you talk to a to a middle of the pack, talk to a to a middle of the pack, talk to a to a middle of the pack, you're going to get him very excited. you're going to get him very excited. you're going to get him very excited. So, if you practice no touch, no talk, So, if you practice no touch, no talk, So, if you practice no touch, no talk, no eye contact to any position of the no eye contact to any position of the no eye contact to any position of the pack, what you're going to allow is pack, what you're going to allow is pack, what you're going to allow is nose, eyes, ears to come to you. nose, eyes, ears to come to you. nose, eyes, ears to come to you. You see it? So, you're going to create a You see it? So, you're going to create a You see it? So, you're going to create a law of attraction. The dog is going to law of attraction. The dog is going to law of attraction. The dog is going to come to your smell. And then he's going come to your smell. And then he's going come to your smell. And then he's going to assess and evaluate, can I trust? to assess and evaluate, can I trust? to assess and evaluate, can I trust? Can I respect? Do I feel safe? Are you a Can I respect? Do I feel safe? Are you a Can I respect? Do I feel safe? Are you a peaceful human? That's what you want peaceful human? That's what you want peaceful human? That's what you want them to know about you. them to know about you. them to know about you. That you can be trusted. That you can be That you can be trusted. That you can be That you can be trusted. That you can be respected. That you feel That you can be respected. That you feel That you can be respected. That you feel That you can be a safe source, a peaceful source. a safe source, a peaceful source. a safe source, a peaceful source. Then, once the dog is Okay, yeah, you Then, once the dog is Okay, yeah, you Then, once the dog is Okay, yeah, you have that. Then the dog is going to sit have that. Then the dog is going to sit have that. Then the dog is going to sit right next to you. He's going to do right next to you. He's going to do right next to you. He's going to do this, or he's just going to relax. As this, or he's just going to relax. As this, or he's just going to relax. As soon as he gives you that, that's when soon as he gives you that, that's when soon as he gives you that, that's when you give love. you give love. you give love. So, So, So, it's nothing wrong if you wait a little it's nothing wrong if you wait a little it's nothing wrong if you wait a little bit. bit. bit. Right? It's nothing wrong. You just Right? It's nothing wrong. You just Right? It's nothing wrong. You just You're just following the steps. You are You're just following the steps. You are You're just following the steps. You are the one who's being disciplined. the one who's being disciplined. the one who's being disciplined. You see it? To be a good leader, you You see it? To be a good leader, you You see it? To be a good leader, you have to be a good follower. have to be a good follower. have to be a good follower. So, you have to understand the power of So, you have to understand the power of So, you have to understand the power of calm surrender. You have to understand calm surrender. You have to understand calm surrender. You have to understand the power of patience. If you don't the power of patience. If you don't the power of patience. If you don't understand it, you're going to be a understand it, you're going to be a understand it, you're going to be a terrible leader. terrible leader. terrible leader. So, I'm not telling people be a pack So, I'm not telling people be a pack So, I'm not telling people be a pack leader just because you you're the dog leader just because you you're the dog leader just because you you're the dog owner. No, no, no. I'm telling you owner. No, no, no. I'm telling you owner. No, no, no. I'm telling you what it requires to be a pack leader. what it requires to be a pack leader. what it requires to be a pack leader. The highest level of patience, the The highest level of patience, the The highest level of patience, the highest level of calmness, highest level highest level of calmness, highest level highest level of calmness, highest level of confidence, and then knowing when to of confidence, and then knowing when to of confidence, and then knowing when to give love and know when to celebrate. give love and know when to celebrate. give love and know when to celebrate. Love, joy, it's a celebration energy. Love, joy, it's a celebration energy. Love, joy, it's a celebration energy. This one is direction, protection. This one is direction, protection. This one is direction, protection. What do we want of our pack leaders like What do we want of our pack leaders like What do we want of our pack leaders like politicians? We want them to We want to politicians? We want them to We want to politicians? We want them to We want to have an an America that feels safe have an an America that feels safe have an an America that feels safe peace. peace. peace. We want to have a Mexico that feels safe We want to have a Mexico that feels safe We want to have a Mexico that feels safe peace. We want to have a Argentina that peace. We want to have a Argentina that peace. We want to have a Argentina that feels safe peace. feels safe peace. feels safe peace. We want to have a Colombia that feels We want to have a Colombia that feels We want to have a Colombia that feels safe peace. We want to have a Venezuela safe peace. We want to have a Venezuela safe peace. We want to have a Venezuela that feels safe peace. that feels safe peace. that feels safe peace. Otherwise, we can't feel the love. Otherwise, we can't feel the love. Otherwise, we can't feel the love. 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This is like, they're making? Correct. This is like, and this is like just seems to be the and this is like just seems to be the and this is like just seems to be the thing we select for. Not the traits thing we select for. Not the traits thing we select for. Not the traits you're describing. I got my theories as you're describing. I got my theories as you're describing. I got my theories as to why that's so, but to why that's so, but to why that's so, but I think we can all look around and see I think we can all look around and see I think we can all look around and see see how that's going. I just go back to see how that's going. I just go back to see how that's going. I just go back to >> learn a lot from animals, right? I think >> learn a lot from animals, right? I think >> learn a lot from animals, right? I think all leaders should should show us, you all leaders should should show us, you all leaders should should show us, you know, themselves with a pack of of dogs know, themselves with a pack of of dogs know, themselves with a pack of of dogs so we can assess and evaluate their so we can assess and evaluate their so we can assess and evaluate their energy well. energy well. energy well. You know, You know, You know, cuz they they they say the philosophy we cuz they they they say the philosophy we cuz they they they say the philosophy we want to hear. want to hear. want to hear. Right? They always talk great about the Right? They always talk great about the Right? They always talk great about the intellectual part people want to hear. intellectual part people want to hear. intellectual part people want to hear. But then the energy and then the But then the energy and then the But then the energy and then the actions, that's what we end up seeing at actions, that's what we end up seeing at actions, that's what we end up seeing at the end, right? Look at Mexico, right? the end, right? Look at Mexico, right? the end, right? Look at Mexico, right? We always, "Oh, a woman president. Yes, We always, "Oh, a woman president. Yes, We always, "Oh, a woman president. Yes, Mexico is going to be well taken care." Mexico is going to be well taken care." Mexico is going to be well taken care." Same. Same. Same. No safe, no peace, no trust, no respect. No safe, no peace, no trust, no respect. No safe, no peace, no trust, no respect. It's the same. It's a continuation of It's the same. It's a continuation of It's the same. It's a continuation of the same philosophy, but they're all say the same philosophy, but they're all say the same philosophy, but they're all say great things. great things. great things. You see what I mean? I don't like to You see what I mean? I don't like to You see what I mean? I don't like to dogs. I I say, you know, "Listen, I'm dogs. I I say, you know, "Listen, I'm dogs. I I say, you know, "Listen, I'm going to bring you back your your your going to bring you back your your your going to bring you back your your your silence, your calmness, your surrender. silence, your calmness, your surrender. silence, your calmness, your surrender. That's my contribution to you because That's my contribution to you because That's my contribution to you because you humans made you fight, flight, you humans made you fight, flight, you humans made you fight, flight, avoidance. avoidance. avoidance. And boom, I don't say nothing to the And boom, I don't say nothing to the And boom, I don't say nothing to the dog. I just feel it and I do it. I skip dog. I just feel it and I do it. I skip dog. I just feel it and I do it. I skip the saying. the saying. the saying. Cuz they don't care about what I say. Cuz they don't care about what I say. Cuz they don't care about what I say. They care about what I feel and what I They care about what I feel and what I They care about what I feel and what I do. do. do. The human cares about what you say. So, The human cares about what you say. So, The human cares about what you say. So, you can just brainwash the human all you you can just brainwash the human all you you can just brainwash the human all you want, lie to the human, and the human want, lie to the human, and the human want, lie to the human, and the human will vote. We're the only species that will vote. We're the only species that will vote. We're the only species that follow unstable leaders. follow unstable leaders. follow unstable leaders. There is no species that will vote for There is no species that will vote for There is no species that will vote for somebody they have unstable leading somebody they have unstable leading somebody they have unstable leading energy to begin with. They can't care energy to begin with. They can't care energy to begin with. They can't care less what they say. >> I watched that uh series on Netflix, >> I watched that uh series on Netflix, Chimp Empire. Chimp Empire. Chimp Empire. It's fascinating, you know, they they're It's fascinating, you know, they they're It's fascinating, you know, they they're very hierarchical, you know, troops. And very hierarchical, you know, troops. And very hierarchical, you know, troops. And the the alpha occasionally will feel the the alpha occasionally will feel the the alpha occasionally will feel like he's losing some control over his like he's losing some control over his like he's losing some control over his uh troop. uh troop. uh troop. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And he'll go on these displays where he >> And he'll go on these displays where he >> And he'll go on these displays where he starts breaking trees and beating his starts breaking trees and beating his starts breaking trees and beating his chest. And chest. And chest. And they look a lot more like humans. Humans they look a lot more like humans. Humans they look a lot more like humans. Humans look a lot more like them. look a lot more like them. look a lot more like them. But I saw a But I saw a But I saw a an interview with Jane Goodall. Um I an interview with Jane Goodall. Um I an interview with Jane Goodall. Um I think you've probably seen this where think you've probably seen this where think you've probably seen this where they said, you know, what what is your they said, you know, what what is your they said, you know, what what is your favorite thing about them? And she and favorite thing about them? And she and favorite thing about them? And she and she says, "No, dogs are my favorite she says, "No, dogs are my favorite she says, "No, dogs are my favorite species. You can really trust them." species. You can really trust them." species. You can really trust them." >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> The chimps are like humans. They're way >> The chimps are like humans. They're way >> The chimps are like humans. They're way too much like us. They lie, they cheat, too much like us. They lie, they cheat, too much like us. They lie, they cheat, they I mean, if you watch Chimp Empire, they I mean, if you watch Chimp Empire, they I mean, if you watch Chimp Empire, brace yourself for, you know, when they brace yourself for, you know, when they brace yourself for, you know, when they decide they're going to ostracize a decide they're going to ostracize a decide they're going to ostracize a member of their of their member of their of their member of their of their >> They'll ostracize them. >> They'll ostracize them. >> They'll ostracize them. >> It's uh they make them suffer an >> It's uh they make them suffer an >> It's uh they make them suffer an extended punishment. It's It's brutal. extended punishment. It's It's brutal. extended punishment. It's It's brutal. And that's the primate brain. Um sadly, And that's the primate brain. Um sadly, And that's the primate brain. Um sadly, uh humans were uh humans were uh humans were Yeah. supposed to move beyond that. Yeah. supposed to move beyond that. Yeah. supposed to move beyond that. That's That's uh our role. Uh That's That's uh our role. Uh That's That's uh our role. Uh I'm making the assumption that some I'm making the assumption that some I'm making the assumption that some people either have a dog or they're people either have a dog or they're people either have a dog or they're thinking about getting one. Correct. thinking about getting one. Correct. thinking about getting one. Correct. Preparing oneself for every interaction Preparing oneself for every interaction Preparing oneself for every interaction sounds like the the thing sounds like the the thing sounds like the the thing uh [snorts] to do until it becomes uh [snorts] to do until it becomes uh [snorts] to do until it becomes reflexive. It also It's a lot of work. reflexive. It also It's a lot of work. reflexive. It also It's a lot of work. Like you described it, you know, brief Like you described it, you know, brief Like you described it, you know, brief prayer at the door, setting intention. I prayer at the door, setting intention. I prayer at the door, setting intention. I think that's awesome. think that's awesome. think that's awesome. >> Yeah, good habits. >> Yeah, good habits. >> Yeah, good habits. >> Waking up in the morning. >> Waking up in the morning. >> Waking up in the morning. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I will say hello to Strummer. I take >> I will say hello to Strummer. I take >> I will say hello to Strummer. I take care of myself first, move about. If he care of myself first, move about. If he care of myself first, move about. If he has to use the bathroom or something, has to use the bathroom or something, has to use the bathroom or something, I'd let him out right away, but he I'd let him out right away, but he I'd let him out right away, but he waits. And then he gets up and then we waits. And then he gets up and then we waits. And then he gets up and then we do our our thing. do our our thing. do our our thing. But the temptation to walk over there But the temptation to walk over there But the temptation to walk over there and just he's, you know, he's sleepy. and just he's, you know, he's sleepy. and just he's, you know, he's sleepy. He's a bulldog. He's calm and should He's a bulldog. He's calm and should He's a bulldog. He's calm and should just grow like cuz I love him. My heart just grow like cuz I love him. My heart just grow like cuz I love him. My heart fills when I when I, you know, walk in fills when I when I, you know, walk in fills when I when I, you know, walk in the room with him. the room with him. the room with him. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think this is the thing that a lot of >> I think this is the thing that a lot of >> I think this is the thing that a lot of people are challenged with. But they're people are challenged with. But they're people are challenged with. But they're like like like So, So, So, for me, for me, for me, temporarily breaking down my notion of temporarily breaking down my notion of temporarily breaking down my notion of cuteness was very important. cuteness was very important. cuteness was very important. >> Mhm. He doesn't understand cute. >> Mhm. He doesn't understand cute. >> Mhm. He doesn't understand cute. >> Right. He has no concept of cute. He >> Right. He has no concept of cute. He >> Right. He has no concept of cute. He only understands what he understands. only understands what he understands. only understands what he understands. I'm the one projecting a lot of Oh, but I'm the one projecting a lot of Oh, but I'm the one projecting a lot of Oh, but he's like, I want to cuddle him and I he's like, I want to cuddle him and I he's like, I want to cuddle him and I want to play with him. want to play with him. want to play with him. I confess this is easier for me to do I confess this is easier for me to do I confess this is easier for me to do now that I've done it with one dog now that I've done it with one dog now that I've done it with one dog before. It's much harder for my before. It's much harder for my before. It's much harder for my girlfriend to do. She's like she gets girlfriend to do. She's like she gets girlfriend to do. She's like she gets pulled in. pulled in. pulled in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We joke you you caved to love. We joke, >> We joke you you caved to love. We joke, >> We joke you you caved to love. We joke, you know, it's like we caved to our own you know, it's like we caved to our own you know, it's like we caved to our own feelings of love. feelings of love. feelings of love. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> But it can damage the safety and the and >> But it can damage the safety and the and >> But it can damage the safety and the and the and the the general pack order. And the and the the general pack order. And the and the the general pack order. And then people think, "Oh, pack order then people think, "Oh, pack order then people think, "Oh, pack order sounds like not love." Could you sounds like not love." Could you sounds like not love." Could you elaborate a little bit on why it's so elaborate a little bit on why it's so elaborate a little bit on why it's so important to [clears throat] stay in the important to [clears throat] stay in the important to [clears throat] stay in the frame of We're really asking humans to frame of We're really asking humans to frame of We're really asking humans to think more like dogs, but to behave in a think more like dogs, but to behave in a think more like dogs, but to behave in a way that is somewhere in between. way that is somewhere in between. way that is somewhere in between. >> 80% of my clients are women. >> 80% of my clients are women. >> 80% of my clients are women. 80%. 80%. 80%. When I go to, you know, their home When I go to, you know, their home When I go to, you know, their home because I like to assess and evaluate because I like to assess and evaluate because I like to assess and evaluate the dynamics inside the house. the dynamics inside the house. the dynamics inside the house. The dog is in the front. The dog is in the front. The dog is in the front. Wife is number two. Kids are number Wife is number two. Kids are number Wife is number two. Kids are number three. Husband is in the back. three. Husband is in the back. three. Husband is in the back. Back of the pack. Back of the pack. Back of the pack. >> This is in the United States? >> This is in the United States? >> This is in the United States? >> In the United States. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> In the United States. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> In the United States. Yeah, yeah, yeah. United States. United States. United States. So, So, So, um why the dog is in the front? um why the dog is in the front? um why the dog is in the front? She puts him there. She puts him there. She puts him there. Why? Because she only practice Why? Because she only practice Why? Because she only practice affection. affection. affection. And why the husband is in the back? Cuz And why the husband is in the back? Cuz And why the husband is in the back? Cuz she practice rules, boundaries, she practice rules, boundaries, she practice rules, boundaries, limitations with him. You see it? So, look look. So, she is You see it? So, look look. So, she is capable to practice leadership, but she capable to practice leadership, but she capable to practice leadership, but she practice it with the wrong member in the practice it with the wrong member in the practice it with the wrong member in the house. house. house. The dog needs the leadership. Right? Cuz The dog needs the leadership. Right? Cuz The dog needs the leadership. Right? Cuz what why did they call me? Cuz now the what why did they call me? Cuz now the what why did they call me? Cuz now the dog doesn't the kids can't walk him. dog doesn't the kids can't walk him. dog doesn't the kids can't walk him. You know, the the friends kids can come You know, the the friends kids can come You know, the the friends kids can come to the house. to the house. to the house. The dog steals food. The dog steals food. The dog steals food. Right? Or the dog barks at the Right? Or the dog barks at the Right? Or the dog barks at the neighbors. neighbors. neighbors. Right? Right? Right? They don't have the ideal They don't have the ideal They don't have the ideal life that they chose or they thought life that they chose or they thought life that they chose or they thought they were going to have by having this they were going to have by having this they were going to have by having this Labradoodle. It should be the easiest one, right? Cuz It should be the easiest one, right? Cuz those two breeds are practically, you those two breeds are practically, you those two breeds are practically, you know, the the epitome of like most know, the the epitome of like most know, the the epitome of like most docile breed. docile breed. docile breed. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> Right? >> Right? >> Right? >> the Labradoodle people like try raising >> the Labradoodle people like try raising >> the Labradoodle people like try raising a bulldog mastiff. Right? a bulldog mastiff. Right? a bulldog mastiff. Right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> From 8 weeks on. >> From 8 weeks on. >> From 8 weeks on. >> Yeah, it's just >> Yeah, it's just >> Yeah, it's just >> Like you'll learn a lot about yourself. >> Like you'll learn a lot about yourself. >> Like you'll learn a lot about yourself. >> It's a it's a different strength. >> It's a it's a different strength. >> It's a it's a different strength. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right? So, this breed should be easier. >> Right? So, this breed should be easier. >> Right? So, this breed should be easier. Mhm. Because it's designed to be easier. Mhm. Because it's designed to be easier. Mhm. Because it's designed to be easier. But because they only practice affection But because they only practice affection But because they only practice affection first, first, first, or only affection, or only affection, or only affection, uh the dog end up going in front of the uh the dog end up going in front of the uh the dog end up going in front of the pack. pack. pack. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, this is what happens when people >> So, this is what happens when people >> So, this is what happens when people wants to practice affection first or wants to practice affection first or wants to practice affection first or when when they prioritize affection to when when they prioritize affection to when when they prioritize affection to the dog, but to the rest of the pack, the dog, but to the rest of the pack, the dog, but to the rest of the pack, uh uh uh it's very clear for me that she practice it's very clear for me that she practice it's very clear for me that she practice rules, boundaries, limitations to the rules, boundaries, limitations to the rules, boundaries, limitations to the husband. husband. husband. He has to do whatever she said. He has to do whatever she said. He has to do whatever she said. But the dog doesn't do whatever she But the dog doesn't do whatever she But the dog doesn't do whatever she says. says. says. You see it? You see it? You see it? So, that we have to change, you know? We So, that we have to change, you know? We So, that we have to change, you know? We have to help people to understand. It's have to help people to understand. It's have to help people to understand. It's It's not that love is bad. It's It's It's not that love is bad. It's It's It's not that love is bad. It's It's just what are you giving love to? just what are you giving love to? just what are you giving love to? >> I'm so happy you're raising this. I >> I'm so happy you're raising this. I >> I'm so happy you're raising this. I think some people will say, "Well, think some people will say, "Well, think some people will say, "Well, she has to treat the husband basically she has to treat the husband basically she has to treat the husband basically like a child because he's playing video like a child because he's playing video like a child because he's playing video games." I'm making the assumption here games." I'm making the assumption here games." I'm making the assumption here that we don't know what the dynamics are that we don't know what the dynamics are that we don't know what the dynamics are between the husband and the wife. And I between the husband and the wife. And I between the husband and the wife. And I I I a lot of I I a lot of I I a lot of married couple friends where it seems married couple friends where it seems married couple friends where it seems very balanced. I don't know what happens very balanced. I don't know what happens very balanced. I don't know what happens when I'm not there [clears throat] when I'm not there [clears throat] when I'm not there [clears throat] obviously, but I know somewhere yes obviously, but I know somewhere yes obviously, but I know somewhere yes indeed like there's some infantilization indeed like there's some infantilization indeed like there's some infantilization of the male, but he does that to himself of the male, but he does that to himself of the male, but he does that to himself too. He's behaving like a kid. too. He's behaving like a kid. too. He's behaving like a kid. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Or I also have seen very balanced and >> Or I also have seen very balanced and >> Or I also have seen very balanced and I've seen where I've seen where I've seen where it's a bit more of kind of the structure it's a bit more of kind of the structure it's a bit more of kind of the structure I grew up in at least for the early part I grew up in at least for the early part I grew up in at least for the early part of my life. of my life. of my life. Maybe it's cuz my father's from South Maybe it's cuz my father's from South Maybe it's cuz my father's from South America, but until my parents split it America, but until my parents split it America, but until my parents split it was like my dad was the dad and then it was like my dad was the dad and then it was like my dad was the dad and then it was my mom and then you know and then was my mom and then you know and then was my mom and then you know and then there was the kids and sadly we didn't there was the kids and sadly we didn't there was the kids and sadly we didn't have a dog. have a dog. have a dog. Things are very different nowadays. Things are very different nowadays. Things are very different nowadays. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right? And so I'm trying to >> Right? And so I'm trying to >> Right? And so I'm trying to remove any assumptions that the dynamic remove any assumptions that the dynamic remove any assumptions that the dynamic between between between the husband and wife are that way solely the husband and wife are that way solely the husband and wife are that way solely because of one or the other. It's because of one or the other. It's because of one or the other. It's It's there's an agreement there. It's there's an agreement there. It's there's an agreement there. >> It's correct. >> It's correct. >> It's correct. >> There's always an agreement, yeah, >> There's always an agreement, yeah, >> There's always an agreement, yeah, right? right? right? >> is that he surrender. >> is that he surrender. >> is that he surrender. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, that's the agreement. At one point >> Yeah, that's the agreement. At one point >> Yeah, that's the agreement. At one point you don't want fight flight avoidance, you don't want fight flight avoidance, you don't want fight flight avoidance, so the guy end up surrendering. so the guy end up surrendering. so the guy end up surrendering. But the dog didn't. The dog took over. But the dog didn't. The dog took over. But the dog didn't. The dog took over. >> And you also don't want >> And you also don't want >> And you also don't want so domineering that she's in flight so domineering that she's in flight so domineering that she's in flight flight surrender either, right? flight surrender either, right? flight surrender either, right? >> Correct. You don't want that. >> Correct. You don't want that. >> Correct. You don't want that. >> That that That exists too and that's bad >> That that That exists too and that's bad >> That that That exists too and that's bad also. also. also. >> Yeah, my relationship now with a woman >> Yeah, my relationship now with a woman >> Yeah, my relationship now with a woman is is I have that a good instinctual is is I have that a good instinctual is is I have that a good instinctual relationship. Right? Cuz my masculine relationship. Right? Cuz my masculine relationship. Right? Cuz my masculine energy is the energy is the energy is the the one who gives direction protection. the one who gives direction protection. the one who gives direction protection. When before I used to follow this When before I used to follow this When before I used to follow this concept of happy wife happy life. And concept of happy wife happy life. And concept of happy wife happy life. And it's how can I make her happy? She has it's how can I make her happy? She has it's how can I make her happy? She has to make herself happy, so I end up to make herself happy, so I end up to make herself happy, so I end up surrendering to everything she wanted. surrendering to everything she wanted. surrendering to everything she wanted. And and so this concept of you know And and so this concept of you know And and so this concept of you know happy wife happy life didn't work for happy wife happy life didn't work for happy wife happy life didn't work for me. me. me. Right? But and so I just went back into Right? But and so I just went back into Right? But and so I just went back into okay, I'm just going to become confident okay, I'm just going to become confident okay, I'm just going to become confident and attract a woman that wants to be and attract a woman that wants to be and attract a woman that wants to be come surrender to this area, which is come surrender to this area, which is come surrender to this area, which is the instinctual area. Spiritually we're the instinctual area. Spiritually we're the instinctual area. Spiritually we're the same, emotionally we're the same, the same, emotionally we're the same, the same, emotionally we're the same, financially, you know, financially, you know, financially, you know, we're the same. Um we're the same. Um we're the same. Um but instinctually that's the part that I but instinctually that's the part that I but instinctually that's the part that I I I I couldn't I couldn't just I I I couldn't I couldn't just I I I couldn't I couldn't just not be masculine, right? Or come not be masculine, right? Or come not be masculine, right? Or come confident. I just couldn't. I just confident. I just couldn't. I just confident. I just couldn't. I just couldn't. And that's that's it works couldn't. And that's that's it works couldn't. And that's that's it works beautiful now. beautiful now. beautiful now. >> Oh, it sounds um like you you've hit the >> Oh, it sounds um like you you've hit the >> Oh, it sounds um like you you've hit the bull's-eye there. Actually, I have bull's-eye there. Actually, I have bull's-eye there. Actually, I have since we're talking about human since we're talking about human since we're talking about human relationships, uh I have a friend he has relationships, uh I have a friend he has relationships, uh I have a friend he has a very happy, very successful marriage a very happy, very successful marriage a very happy, very successful marriage um in in the real sense that you walk um in in the real sense that you walk um in in the real sense that you walk into their home like they into their home like they into their home like they they have some uh they have a they have some uh they have a they have some uh they have a couple of kids. One of them has some couple of kids. One of them has some couple of kids. One of them has some special needs, but that um they're special needs, but that um they're special needs, but that um they're managing that well. The home is very managing that well. The home is very managing that well. The home is very balanced. They seem very, very happy. balanced. They seem very, very happy. balanced. They seem very, very happy. And he was giving advice uh to some And he was giving advice uh to some And he was giving advice uh to some other guys uh and he said, you know, other guys uh and he said, you know, other guys uh and he said, you know, among the the among the the among the the the the the women that would be like partners, good women that would be like partners, good women that would be like partners, good partners for you, partners for you, partners for you, >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> yeah, you have to make a decision >> yeah, you have to make a decision >> yeah, you have to make a decision about about about how much you want somebody who's going how much you want somebody who's going how much you want somebody who's going to give you instructions versus leave to give you instructions versus leave to give you instructions versus leave you alone versus wants you know, some you alone versus wants you know, some you alone versus wants you know, some direction. direction. direction. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It's a very edgy thing to say, you know, >> It's a very edgy thing to say, you know, >> It's a very edgy thing to say, you know, at the time. Now, you can have these at the time. Now, you can have these at the time. Now, you can have these kinds of conversations. kinds of conversations. kinds of conversations. >> Um >> Um >> Um Yeah, and it and it was very Yeah, and it and it was very Yeah, and it and it was very interesting. There were three other guys interesting. There were three other guys interesting. There were three other guys at the table, none of whom are are at the table, none of whom are are at the table, none of whom are are married, including me, and we each had married, including me, and we each had married, including me, and we each had different answers to that question. One different answers to that question. One different answers to that question. One said, yeah, I want somebody that I can said, yeah, I want somebody that I can said, yeah, I want somebody that I can like really be in like kind of wants to like really be in like kind of wants to like really be in like kind of wants to be led. be led. be led. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Not subservient, you know, obviously >> Not subservient, you know, obviously >> Not subservient, you know, obviously respect and kindness and all that, but respect and kindness and all that, but respect and kindness and all that, but but the other one but the other one but the other one >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> he said, um no, I want someone who's >> he said, um no, I want someone who's >> he said, um no, I want someone who's like like like >> really going to like keep me in line. >> really going to like keep me in line. >> really going to like keep me in line. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I was like, this is incredible. But he >> I was like, this is incredible. But he >> I was like, this is incredible. But he was being he was being honest. He wants was being he was being honest. He wants was being he was being honest. He wants someone who's basically going to like someone who's basically going to like someone who's basically going to like keep him out of his childlike nature keep him out of his childlike nature keep him out of his childlike nature >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> when the childlike nature wasn't going >> when the childlike nature wasn't going >> when the childlike nature wasn't going to help to help to help >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> but keep the structure of the home. I >> but keep the structure of the home. I >> but keep the structure of the home. I think it's a very important thing this think it's a very important thing this think it's a very important thing this notion of um we don't have good words notion of um we don't have good words notion of um we don't have good words for this to keep us off of the barbed for this to keep us off of the barbed for this to keep us off of the barbed wire. Like we hear dominance, hierarchy, wire. Like we hear dominance, hierarchy, wire. Like we hear dominance, hierarchy, and it sounds like control. and it sounds like control. and it sounds like control. >> Mhm. It sounds like subservience. It >> Mhm. It sounds like subservience. It >> Mhm. It sounds like subservience. It gets into notions of like all sorts of gets into notions of like all sorts of gets into notions of like all sorts of things. But this is a fundamental aspect things. But this is a fundamental aspect things. But this is a fundamental aspect of the human spirit. of the human spirit. of the human spirit. >> That's the instinct to a part. Like I >> That's the instinct to a part. Like I >> That's the instinct to a part. Like I said, we [clears throat] can both love said, we [clears throat] can both love said, we [clears throat] can both love God at the same level. We can love love God at the same level. We can love love God at the same level. We can love love at the same level and we can all develop at the same level and we can all develop at the same level and we can all develop our intelligence at the same level. But our intelligence at the same level. But our intelligence at the same level. But when it comes to instincts, when it comes to instincts, when it comes to instincts, that's the only area in my life that I that's the only area in my life that I that's the only area in my life that I know know know that I my calm confidence is going to that I my calm confidence is going to that I my calm confidence is going to lead my pack. lead my pack. lead my pack. Right? Cuz that's what I do with dogs. Right? Cuz that's what I do with dogs. Right? Cuz that's what I do with dogs. That's practically it. I I walk a pack That's practically it. I I walk a pack That's practically it. I I walk a pack of dogs. So they're all got to go into a of dogs. So they're all got to go into a of dogs. So they're all got to go into a calm surrender state. And so in my house calm surrender state. And so in my house calm surrender state. And so in my house I wanted the same thing cuz I want her I wanted the same thing cuz I want her I wanted the same thing cuz I want her to feel safe peace. I want her to trust to feel safe peace. I want her to trust to feel safe peace. I want her to trust respect. I wanted her to love that about respect. I wanted her to love that about respect. I wanted her to love that about me. me. me. But I have to [clears throat] be that But I have to [clears throat] be that But I have to [clears throat] be that man that has a high level of patience, man that has a high level of patience, man that has a high level of patience, high level of calmness, high level of high level of calmness, high level of high level of calmness, high level of confidence, high level of love. And I confidence, high level of love. And I confidence, high level of love. And I need to earn that position. I don't just need to earn that position. I don't just need to earn that position. I don't just want it. I earned it. want it. I earned it. want it. I earned it. But I need to have a woman that uh But I need to have a woman that uh But I need to have a woman that uh understands, you know, that that's what understands, you know, that that's what understands, you know, that that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for. I'm looking for. Right? Right? Right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Instinctually. Not in the mind, not in >> Instinctually. Not in the mind, not in >> Instinctually. Not in the mind, not in the heart which is temporary. No, no, the heart which is temporary. No, no, the heart which is temporary. No, no, no. This is permanently. no. This is permanently. no. This is permanently. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You know, your instincts. And I I will >> You know, your instincts. And I I will >> You know, your instincts. And I I will provide safe peace. provide safe peace. provide safe peace. I will be a peaceful man, a safe man to I will be a peaceful man, a safe man to I will be a peaceful man, a safe man to be with, a trustworthy man, a respectful be with, a trustworthy man, a respectful be with, a trustworthy man, a respectful man, a loving man, right? A smart man. I man, a loving man, right? A smart man. I man, a loving man, right? A smart man. I will always work on having good energy will always work on having good energy will always work on having good energy and only following good philosophy and and only following good philosophy and and only following good philosophy and only doing good actions. Cuz I want that only doing good actions. Cuz I want that only doing good actions. Cuz I want that position. position. position. >> Did you take some time before your uh >> Did you take some time before your uh >> Did you take some time before your uh current relationship after your divorce current relationship after your divorce current relationship after your divorce to sort of to sort of to sort of feel into this and and think about how feel into this and and think about how feel into this and and think about how you were going to you were going to you were going to be that or be that or be that or um is this something that you um is this something that you um is this something that you decided to evolve in the decided to evolve in the decided to evolve in the uh as a person? uh as a person? uh as a person? >> that I was picking the I was picking the >> that I was picking the I was picking the >> that I was picking the I was picking the wrong woman. wrong woman. wrong woman. Right? I I was I was I I couldn't Right? I I was I was I I couldn't Right? I I was I was I I couldn't understand why I can pick a dog and and understand why I can pick a dog and and understand why I can pick a dog and and make him the perfect dog. [laughter] I make him the perfect dog. [laughter] I make him the perfect dog. [laughter] I can pick a perfect dog for you. Like I can pick a perfect dog for you. Like I can pick a perfect dog for you. Like I can go pick a I couldn't pick up the can go pick a I couldn't pick up the can go pick a I couldn't pick up the perfect woman for me. I just want the perfect woman for me. I just want the perfect woman for me. I just want the one for me. one for me. one for me. Right? What I think is perfect for me. Right? What I think is perfect for me. Right? What I think is perfect for me. And so, I I had a a And so, I I had a a And so, I I had a a trouble because I had the wrong trouble because I had the wrong trouble because I had the wrong philosophy inside my head. You know, philosophy inside my head. You know, philosophy inside my head. You know, what a man should should do or what a what a man should should do or what a what a man should should do or what a man woman should do. It was the wrong man woman should do. It was the wrong man woman should do. It was the wrong philosophy, period. Right? Once I philosophy, period. Right? Once I philosophy, period. Right? Once I changed the philosophy, then I went, changed the philosophy, then I went, changed the philosophy, then I went, "Okay, I just I need to find a woman "Okay, I just I need to find a woman "Okay, I just I need to find a woman with this spirit, with this instinct, with this spirit, with this instinct, with this spirit, with this instinct, with this heart, and with this mind." with this heart, and with this mind." with this heart, and with this mind." So, I was more like clear, right? So, I was more like clear, right? So, I was more like clear, right? [clears throat] Okay, now now I know [clears throat] Okay, now now I know [clears throat] Okay, now now I know what I'm looking for. what I'm looking for. what I'm looking for. Right? And she's a pack leader. But not Right? And she's a pack leader. But not Right? And she's a pack leader. But not in the house. She's a pack leader. She in the house. She's a pack leader. She in the house. She's a pack leader. She has three restaurants. She has She has a has three restaurants. She has She has a has three restaurants. She has She has a lot of money. Right? Uh but she earned lot of money. Right? Uh but she earned lot of money. Right? Uh but she earned it. She did it on her own. it. She did it on her own. it. She did it on her own. Right? And and that was that was it. She Right? And and that was that was it. She Right? And and that was that was it. She came said, "I just want to give you my came said, "I just want to give you my came said, "I just want to give you my calm surrender." calm surrender." calm surrender." I said, "That's all I want from a I said, "That's all I want from a I said, "That's all I want from a woman." woman." woman." You know, to have a beautiful You know, to have a beautiful You know, to have a beautiful relationship. So, she relationship. So, she relationship. So, she >> knew that she wanted to be in the role >> knew that she wanted to be in the role >> knew that she wanted to be in the role that she currently is. that she currently is. that she currently is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Also, like there was a a knowledge of >> Also, like there was a a knowledge of >> Also, like there was a a knowledge of self going into it. self going into it. self going into it. >> when she you know, she's doing her >> when she you know, she's doing her >> when she you know, she's doing her business, she has to be a pack leader. business, she has to be a pack leader. business, she has to be a pack leader. They get tired of being pack leaders. They get tired of being pack leaders. They get tired of being pack leaders. Right? They just just get tired Right? They just just get tired Right? They just just get tired of like I don't want to, you know, give of like I don't want to, you know, give of like I don't want to, you know, give direction and protection 24/7s even at direction and protection 24/7s even at direction and protection 24/7s even at home. So, at home she just wanted home. So, at home she just wanted home. So, at home she just wanted somebody to give her safe peace, trust, somebody to give her safe peace, trust, somebody to give her safe peace, trust, respect, calm surrender. That's She respect, calm surrender. That's She respect, calm surrender. That's She needed to connect to her instincts. needed to connect to her instincts. needed to connect to her instincts. Right? It's so it's important because, Right? It's so it's important because, Right? It's so it's important because, you know, she connects to to God. So, you know, she connects to to God. So, you know, she connects to to God. So, she's calm surrendered to God. Right? she's calm surrendered to God. Right? she's calm surrendered to God. Right? So, she's calm surrendered to the So, she's calm surrendered to the So, she's calm surrendered to the business. She's but she needed to be business. She's but she needed to be business. She's but she needed to be calm surrendered to a man. calm surrendered to a man. calm surrendered to a man. But it has to be the right man. So, I But it has to be the right man. So, I But it has to be the right man. So, I was I was the right man at that time, was I was the right man at that time, was I was the right man at that time, right? Cuz I I earned the position. right? Cuz I I earned the position. right? Cuz I I earned the position. You know, I didn't just muchisimas you You know, I didn't just muchisimas you You know, I didn't just muchisimas you don't earn in the position. You just a don't earn in the position. You just a don't earn in the position. You just a man and da da da. No, no, no. When you man and da da da. No, no, no. When you man and da da da. No, no, no. When you are good pack leader, you earn the are good pack leader, you earn the are good pack leader, you earn the position. You know who you are. You position. You know who you are. You position. You know who you are. You value who you are. And that's the and value who you are. And that's the and value who you are. And that's the and that's what you love. Self-knowledge, that's what you love. Self-knowledge, that's what you love. Self-knowledge, self-value, self-love. So, I did my my self-value, self-love. So, I did my my self-value, self-love. So, I did my my rehabilitation for me because, you know, rehabilitation for me because, you know, rehabilitation for me because, you know, even though my grandparents and my and even though my grandparents and my and even though my grandparents and my and my father taught me well about animals, my father taught me well about animals, my father taught me well about animals, they didn't teach me well about women. they didn't teach me well about women. they didn't teach me well about women. And they say, "You make money and you And they say, "You make money and you And they say, "You make money and you get whatever you want." That was it. get whatever you want." That was it. get whatever you want." That was it. >> Yeah, that's an incomplete >> Yeah, that's an incomplete >> Yeah, that's an incomplete >> How do I assess and evaluate this? >> How do I assess and evaluate this? >> How do I assess and evaluate this? That's the right woman. That's the right woman. That's the right woman. How do I How do I do How do I make sure How do I How do I do How do I make sure How do I How do I do How do I make sure I do good connection, communication, I do good connection, communication, I do good connection, communication, relationship? Everything I teach with a relationship? Everything I teach with a relationship? Everything I teach with a dog. How do I How can I achieve it with dog. How do I How can I achieve it with dog. How do I How can I achieve it with my same species? my same species? my same species? Right? But I didn't receive information. Right? But I didn't receive information. Right? But I didn't receive information. Right? I just I would I would just given Right? I just I would I would just given Right? I just I would I would just given a project. a project. a project. Right? And I accomplished I became Right? And I accomplished I became Right? And I accomplished I became money, fame, power, and I just went and money, fame, power, and I just went and money, fame, power, and I just went and grabbed whatever was available. grabbed whatever was available. grabbed whatever was available. >> Well, I can certainly say >> Well, I can certainly say >> Well, I can certainly say um um um my my my Well, I'll just be direct and why why Well, I'll just be direct and why why Well, I'll just be direct and why why tap it. I mean, I think my parents split tap it. I mean, I think my parents split tap it. I mean, I think my parents split because of a a power struggle about because of a a power struggle about because of a a power struggle about roles and power. Um and my father's from roles and power. Um and my father's from roles and power. Um and my father's from a Latin country, my mother's not, but a Latin country, my mother's not, but a Latin country, my mother's not, but irrespective of that it didn't matter. I irrespective of that it didn't matter. I irrespective of that it didn't matter. I used to think that was the reason, but used to think that was the reason, but used to think that was the reason, but it was Now, fortunately, they both it was Now, fortunately, they both it was Now, fortunately, they both remarried. They've been remarried for a remarried. They've been remarried for a remarried. They've been remarried for a very long time, very happily to their very long time, very happily to their very long time, very happily to their new partner. And my sister and I always new partner. And my sister and I always new partner. And my sister and I always say like say like say like they're like with their perfect fit. It they're like with their perfect fit. It they're like with their perfect fit. It just like works because of exactly what just like works because of exactly what just like works because of exactly what you're describing, these these dynamics. you're describing, these these dynamics. you're describing, these these dynamics. I mean, I think I mean, I think I mean, I think I didn't say it, but I saw I didn't say it, but I saw I didn't say it, but I saw online at some point online at some point online at some point someone said, you know, the way you someone said, you know, the way you someone said, you know, the way you destroy a country is to get the men and destroy a country is to get the men and destroy a country is to get the men and women to hate each other. women to hate each other. women to hate each other. And we see that a lot now. Um I like to And we see that a lot now. Um I like to And we see that a lot now. Um I like to think maybe things are improving a think maybe things are improving a think maybe things are improving a little bit, but so much of what we see little bit, but so much of what we see little bit, but so much of what we see because of because of because of anger at leaders, frustration with, you anger at leaders, frustration with, you anger at leaders, frustration with, you know, know, know, social dynamics and belief about what social dynamics and belief about what social dynamics and belief about what people can and can't become. All of this people can and can't become. All of this people can and can't become. All of this stuff has led to this place of a ton of stuff has led to this place of a ton of stuff has led to this place of a ton of distrust, but the power structure is all distrust, but the power structure is all distrust, but the power structure is all messed up. messed up. messed up. >> Yeah, they fight, fight, or avoid each >> Yeah, they fight, fight, or avoid each >> Yeah, they fight, fight, or avoid each other. other. other. Right? But they say they love each Right? But they say they love each Right? But they say they love each other. other. other. >> And they still, because there's an >> And they still, because there's an >> And they still, because there's an instinct there, they still desire each instinct there, they still desire each instinct there, they still desire each other. Right? I mean, men and women are other. Right? I mean, men and women are other. Right? I mean, men and women are still seeking to be together, but you still seeking to be together, but you still seeking to be together, but you hear the where they're, you know, all hear the where they're, you know, all hear the where they're, you know, all the guys are like kids, and you hear the guys are like kids, and you hear the guys are like kids, and you hear that all the women are, you know, they that all the women are, you know, they that all the women are, you know, they want something that they, you know, want something that they, you know, want something that they, you know, can't be achieved in this common thing. can't be achieved in this common thing. can't be achieved in this common thing. And you know, and And you know, and And you know, and I mean I mean I mean >> Confusing. >> Confusing. >> Confusing. >> Yeah, a lot of confusion. And of course, >> Yeah, a lot of confusion. And of course, >> Yeah, a lot of confusion. And of course, I know some very happy couples that that I know some very happy couples that that I know some very happy couples that that where they've worked it out. But the where they've worked it out. But the where they've worked it out. But the roles in those couples seem very it's roles in those couples seem very it's roles in those couples seem very it's like they're they're being themselves, like they're they're being themselves, like they're they're being themselves, and it just works. and it just works. and it just works. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I just don't want to think about it. I >> I just don't want to think about it. I >> I just don't want to think about it. I just want to feel it. just want to feel it. just want to feel it. Right? I just want my spirit, my Right? I just want my spirit, my Right? I just want my spirit, my instinct, and my heart. And I know what instinct, and my heart. And I know what instinct, and my heart. And I know what I got to do anyway. I'm 56. I know what I got to do anyway. I'm 56. I know what I got to do anyway. I'm 56. I know what I got to do. I got to do. I got to do. But I don't I just don't want to have a But I don't I just don't want to have a But I don't I just don't want to have a fight flight avoidance at home. fight flight avoidance at home. fight flight avoidance at home. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? I just don't want to have that >> Right? I just don't want to have that >> Right? I just don't want to have that ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever. Right? So, it's it's very clear to ever. Right? So, it's it's very clear to ever. Right? So, it's it's very clear to me, you know, that uh me, you know, that uh me, you know, that uh that what I looking for is exactly what that what I looking for is exactly what that what I looking for is exactly what everybody looks for in a relationship, everybody looks for in a relationship, everybody looks for in a relationship, human dog. Safe, peace, love, trust, human dog. Safe, peace, love, trust, human dog. Safe, peace, love, trust, respect, love. Body, mind, heart, respect, love. Body, mind, heart, respect, love. Body, mind, heart, exercise, discipline, affection. Follow, exercise, discipline, affection. Follow, exercise, discipline, affection. Follow, play, explore. Everybody wants the same play, explore. Everybody wants the same play, explore. Everybody wants the same thing. They just do it with a different thing. They just do it with a different thing. They just do it with a different species. I want to be able to do it with species. I want to be able to do it with species. I want to be able to do it with a different species and my own species. a different species and my own species. a different species and my own species. You know, and and and and I'm You know, and and and and I'm You know, and and and and I'm >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> I'm the happiest I've ever been. >> I'm the happiest I've ever been. >> I'm the happiest I've ever been. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> You you breathe and exude happiness. I I >> You you breathe and exude happiness. I I >> You you breathe and exude happiness. I I have to say it's it's real. It's it's have to say it's it's real. It's it's have to say it's it's real. It's it's tangible. tangible. tangible. >> It's amazing cuz I was already happy >> It's amazing cuz I was already happy >> It's amazing cuz I was already happy with with my goal in life, right? My with with my goal in life, right? My with with my goal in life, right? My dream was to become the best dog trainer dream was to become the best dog trainer dream was to become the best dog trainer in the world. And I became the dog in the world. And I became the dog in the world. And I became the dog whisperer. So, I train humans. I don't whisperer. So, I train humans. I don't whisperer. So, I train humans. I don't train dogs, right? So, so this dream was train dogs, right? So, so this dream was train dogs, right? So, so this dream was bigger than what I thought. bigger than what I thought. bigger than what I thought. But then I couldn't have a good But then I couldn't have a good But then I couldn't have a good relationship with a woman, which was relationship with a woman, which was relationship with a woman, which was fascinating to me at that time why I fascinating to me at that time why I fascinating to me at that time why I have fight flight avoidance. have fight flight avoidance. have fight flight avoidance. Why I don't have calm, surrender, Why I don't have calm, surrender, Why I don't have calm, surrender, happy-go-lucky, calm, confident. Why happy-go-lucky, calm, confident. Why happy-go-lucky, calm, confident. Why don't? I'm not saying my woman is not don't? I'm not saying my woman is not don't? I'm not saying my woman is not calm, confident towards me. If I'm calm, confident towards me. If I'm calm, confident towards me. If I'm wrong, and then yeah, she can, you know, wrong, and then yeah, she can, you know, wrong, and then yeah, she can, you know, give direction protection. But if I'm give direction protection. But if I'm give direction protection. But if I'm not, there's no need. not, there's no need. not, there's no need. All right? So that That makes me a very All right? So that That makes me a very All right? So that That makes me a very consistent man with my with my role. consistent man with my with my role. consistent man with my with my role. That's it. I I keep my peace. I keep my That's it. I I keep my peace. I keep my That's it. I I keep my peace. I keep my my my patience, my calmness, my comfort, my my patience, my calmness, my comfort, my my patience, my calmness, my comfort, my love, my every single day of my life. my love, my every single day of my life. my love, my every single day of my life. I I don't miss one day even if I don't I I don't miss one day even if I don't I I don't miss one day even if I don't feel good. feel good. feel good. You see it? I internally I'm 100. You see it? I internally I'm 100. You see it? I internally I'm 100. >> Because with people, it only takes once >> Because with people, it only takes once >> Because with people, it only takes once to be on the receiving end of um an to be on the receiving end of um an to be on the receiving end of um an outburst to just There's always that outburst to just There's always that outburst to just There's always that little asterisk going forward. I share little asterisk going forward. I share little asterisk going forward. I share with you the um the deep desire, and with you the um the deep desire, and with you the um the deep desire, and fortunately I have it now to fortunately I have it now to fortunately I have it now to uh not have fight or flight at home. Um uh not have fight or flight at home. Um uh not have fight or flight at home. Um I I I >> a dog, either. >> a dog, either. >> a dog, either. >> Or from a dog, either, right? That >> Or from a dog, either, right? That >> Or from a dog, either, right? That always scares Exactly. So I'm guessing always scares Exactly. So I'm guessing always scares Exactly. So I'm guessing that the home you grew up in had a fair that the home you grew up in had a fair that the home you grew up in had a fair amount of fight or flight. Otherwise, amount of fight or flight. Otherwise, amount of fight or flight. Otherwise, maybe that would maybe that would maybe that would >> very It was very machismo, you know? My >> very It was very machismo, you know? My >> very It was very machismo, you know? My parents still live married. Uh but parents still live married. Uh but parents still live married. Uh but that's all, you know, it was it was this that's all, you know, it was it was this that's all, you know, it was it was this way of Oh, that's it, you know? So way of Oh, that's it, you know? So way of Oh, that's it, you know? So it was definitely a more like sadness, it was definitely a more like sadness, it was definitely a more like sadness, right? Cuz my mom was not allowed to do right? Cuz my mom was not allowed to do right? Cuz my mom was not allowed to do her own self. her own self. her own self. You know? And and so that's Oh, You know? And and so that's Oh, You know? And and so that's Oh, obviously not healthy for for the dream obviously not healthy for for the dream obviously not healthy for for the dream of of a woman. of of a woman. of of a woman. Right? So she has to, you know, have Right? So she has to, you know, have Right? So she has to, you know, have just be a mom and stay at home, and it just be a mom and stay at home, and it just be a mom and stay at home, and it was was was uh uh uh it was hard for her, you know? Um it was hard for her, you know? Um it was hard for her, you know? Um Yeah, but Yeah, but Yeah, but that's That's all I saw, you know? Uh that's That's all I saw, you know? Uh that's That's all I saw, you know? Uh Yeah, when when my dad would um Yeah, when when my dad would um Yeah, when when my dad would um discipline would discipline with anger. discipline would discipline with anger. discipline would discipline with anger. And when my mom would discipline would And when my mom would discipline would And when my mom would discipline would discipline with guilt. discipline with guilt. discipline with guilt. You know? And And I would say, "But You know? And And I would say, "But You know? And And I would say, "But that's It worked a little bit." that's It worked a little bit." that's It worked a little bit." Then [snorts] I come to America and Then [snorts] I come to America and Then [snorts] I come to America and there's, "Ah, it's It's a completely there's, "Ah, it's It's a completely there's, "Ah, it's It's a completely different way of looking at things." different way of looking at things." different way of looking at things." Right? You can work on your energy, you Right? You can work on your energy, you Right? You can work on your energy, you can work on your philosophy, you can can work on your philosophy, you can can work on your philosophy, you can work on your actions, and then you can work on your actions, and then you can work on your actions, and then you can become just as good as you are with a become just as good as you are with a become just as good as you are with a dog. Cuz I have an incredible dog. Cuz I have an incredible dog. Cuz I have an incredible relationship with dogs, right? And I relationship with dogs, right? And I relationship with dogs, right? And I have an incredible relationship with God have an incredible relationship with God have an incredible relationship with God because he definitely allowed me to because he definitely allowed me to because he definitely allowed me to become what I dream about. Right? And I become what I dream about. Right? And I become what I dream about. Right? And I came and did it in a different country. came and did it in a different country. came and did it in a different country. I have to learn a different language. I have to learn a different language. I have to learn a different language. Right? And then I went all over the Right? And then I went all over the Right? And then I went all over the world. world. world. That was God, right? Me following the That was God, right? Me following the That was God, right? Me following the spirit and and the instinct. Now I can spirit and and the instinct. Now I can spirit and and the instinct. Now I can tell you how I did it. tell you how I did it. tell you how I did it. But in the beginning when I jumped the But in the beginning when I jumped the But in the beginning when I jumped the border, it was all spiritual and it was border, it was all spiritual and it was border, it was all spiritual and it was all instinctual. It was all passion. It all instinctual. It was all passion. It all instinctual. It was all passion. It was not the mind doing it. was not the mind doing it. was not the mind doing it. It was just my spirit and my instinct It was just my spirit and my instinct It was just my spirit and my instinct and my heart just following this dream. and my heart just following this dream. and my heart just following this dream. Right? And adapting. I have to learn Right? And adapting. I have to learn Right? And adapting. I have to learn this. I have to this. But then at the this. I have to this. But then at the this. I have to this. But then at the same time I saw a lot of great things in same time I saw a lot of great things in same time I saw a lot of great things in America. America. America. You know, like you can be you. Oh, yeah, You know, like you can be you. Oh, yeah, You know, like you can be you. Oh, yeah, you could be you. It's great. This is a you could be you. It's great. This is a you could be you. It's great. This is a good philosophy. The Stoics is a great good philosophy. The Stoics is a great good philosophy. The Stoics is a great philosophy, right? Um philosophy, right? Um philosophy, right? Um and then your actions, okay? Just walk, and then your actions, okay? Just walk, and then your actions, okay? Just walk, shoulders up, head high. shoulders up, head high. shoulders up, head high. Breathe. [snorts] Breathe. [snorts] Breathe. [snorts] Walk. Walk. Walk. And that's probably body language, you And that's probably body language, you And that's probably body language, you know, also exudes what you're thinking know, also exudes what you're thinking know, also exudes what you're thinking and what you're feeling. and what you're feeling. and what you're feeling. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> And because I'm with dogs all day, I >> And because I'm with dogs all day, I >> And because I'm with dogs all day, I just keep that energy. just keep that energy. just keep that energy. 24/7. 24/7. 24/7. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. >> The um >> The um >> The um as a practical tangent, the thing about as a practical tangent, the thing about as a practical tangent, the thing about just shoulders back and and walk, I just shoulders back and and walk, I just shoulders back and and walk, I think it's funny to see when people try think it's funny to see when people try think it's funny to see when people try this. They're like like I'm going to be this. They're like like I'm going to be this. They're like like I'm going to be the pack leader. That doesn't work. the pack leader. That doesn't work. the pack leader. That doesn't work. [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] And I'll tell you, it really doesn't And I'll tell you, it really doesn't And I'll tell you, it really doesn't work with a bulldog mastiff. work with a bulldog mastiff. work with a bulldog mastiff. >> No. You can't fake. >> No. You can't fake. >> No. You can't fake. >> If you get frustrated with them, they >> If you get frustrated with them, they >> If you get frustrated with them, they feel it and they pull back. It's wild. feel it and they pull back. It's wild. feel it and they pull back. It's wild. They just can feel it. Like if you're They just can feel it. Like if you're They just can feel it. Like if you're frustrated, let's go. frustrated, let's go. frustrated, let's go. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It's like, no. I'll sometimes give a >> It's like, no. I'll sometimes give a >> It's like, no. I'll sometimes give a little bit of a stern little bit of a stern little bit of a stern I have one little command that I I have one little command that I I have one little command that I occasionally use. I keep its potency. occasionally use. I keep its potency. occasionally use. I keep its potency. But if But if But if Costello or in this case Strummer is Costello or in this case Strummer is Costello or in this case Strummer is really being stubborn just for really being stubborn just for really being stubborn just for stubborn's sake, stubborn's sake, stubborn's sake, >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I'll do tsk. >> I'll do tsk. >> I'll do tsk. And that's it. And that's it. And that's it. >> Yes. That's all it takes. >> Yes. That's all it takes. >> Yes. That's all it takes. >> But if I do that more than three times >> But if I do that more than three times >> But if I do that more than three times on a walk, it loses its potency. on a walk, it loses its potency. on a walk, it loses its potency. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> It's just my way of saying like, "No." >> It's just my way of saying like, "No." >> It's just my way of saying like, "No." It's It's just a no. But I don't say no. It's It's just a no. But I don't say no. It's It's just a no. But I don't say no. And if I were to And if I were to And if I were to >> Yeah. And if I were to >> Yeah. And if I were to >> Yeah. And if I were to And I'm realizing as I say this, that And I'm realizing as I say this, that And I'm realizing as I say this, that little is probably more of a reminder to little is probably more of a reminder to little is probably more of a reminder to myself as much as it's a reminder to myself as much as it's a reminder to myself as much as it's a reminder to him. him. him. >> to both. >> to both. >> to both. >> Yeah. I'm just kind of trying to create >> Yeah. I'm just kind of trying to create >> Yeah. I'm just kind of trying to create this thing like, "No. We're going I lead this thing like, "No. We're going I lead this thing like, "No. We're going I lead this walk. We're You need this walk. I this walk. We're You need this walk. I this walk. We're You need this walk. I need this walk. We're doing this walk." need this walk. We're doing this walk." need this walk. We're doing this walk." And he just And he just And he just >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> he goes. Now, it's a little bit tougher >> he goes. Now, it's a little bit tougher >> he goes. Now, it's a little bit tougher when my girlfriend walks him, he tests when my girlfriend walks him, he tests when my girlfriend walks him, he tests her more. her more. her more. So, can we talk about that when a dog is So, can we talk about that when a dog is So, can we talk about that when a dog is in a very respectful with one person, in a very respectful with one person, in a very respectful with one person, obeys the boundaries, obeys the boundaries, obeys the boundaries, but then to other people they're but then to other people they're but then to other people they're acting out. How should that be remedied? acting out. How should that be remedied? acting out. How should that be remedied? If the three of us walk together, for If the three of us walk together, for If the three of us walk together, for instance, he'll do whatever she she instance, he'll do whatever she she instance, he'll do whatever she she wants. wants. wants. With me, he does With me, he does With me, he does whatever I decide. Okay? whatever I decide. Okay? whatever I decide. Okay? >> But sometimes with her she'll say, "He >> But sometimes with her she'll say, "He >> But sometimes with her she'll say, "He was great." And now he was really was great." And now he was really was great." And now he was really difficult. How does one facilitate that? difficult. How does one facilitate that? difficult. How does one facilitate that? >> that the first thing women have to >> that the first thing women have to >> that the first thing women have to realize is how much they are in their realize is how much they are in their realize is how much they are in their emotions and how much they think about emotions and how much they think about emotions and how much they think about things. things. things. Right? So, Right? So, Right? So, you know, the fact that we go into the you know, the fact that we go into the you know, the fact that we go into the silence and the calmness and just we silence and the calmness and just we silence and the calmness and just we follow through is is That's the spirit, follow through is is That's the spirit, follow through is is That's the spirit, the instinct, and the mind. the instinct, and the mind. the instinct, and the mind. And that's what That's what's walking And that's what That's what's walking And that's what That's what's walking the dog. the dog. the dog. But in my experience, women go into the But in my experience, women go into the But in my experience, women go into the emotional emotional emotional uh uh uh uh uh uh um vibration. And then there's a um vibration. And then there's a um vibration. And then there's a Costello, vamos, Costello, vamos, Costello, vamos, and they begin to have a intellectual and they begin to have a intellectual and they begin to have a intellectual conversation. So, the dog knows that the conversation. So, the dog knows that the conversation. So, the dog knows that the human is only using half of who they human is only using half of who they human is only using half of who they are, which are the heart and the mind. are, which are the heart and the mind. are, which are the heart and the mind. Right? Right? Right? >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> And so, it's very important for women to >> And so, it's very important for women to >> And so, it's very important for women to remember that spirit is a powerful remember that spirit is a powerful remember that spirit is a powerful thing. And so, how am I going to thing. And so, how am I going to thing. And so, how am I going to practice silence? practice silence? practice silence? And it's instinct is a powerful thing. And it's instinct is a powerful thing. And it's instinct is a powerful thing. How am I going to practice How am I going to practice How am I going to practice instinct breath? instinct breath? instinct breath? You're calm inside. Right? And you just You're calm inside. Right? And you just You're calm inside. Right? And you just want to go from point A to point B. Very want to go from point A to point B. Very want to go from point A to point B. Very simple, very practical. You're not simple, very practical. You're not simple, very practical. You're not negotiating. You're not looking at negotiating. You're not looking at negotiating. You're not looking at anything else, you're not distracted. anything else, you're not distracted. anything else, you're not distracted. You just going, You just going, You just going, you know, for the task. And then the dog you know, for the task. And then the dog you know, for the task. And then the dog just follows the silence, the calmness, just follows the silence, the calmness, just follows the silence, the calmness, and the confidence. and the confidence. and the confidence. It's when the human doesn't use that It's when the human doesn't use that It's when the human doesn't use that vibration that the dog has an option to vibration that the dog has an option to vibration that the dog has an option to get distracted, to do other things, to get distracted, to do other things, to get distracted, to do other things, to go away from the routine of off from the go away from the routine of off from the go away from the routine of off from the structure, from whatever you want to you structure, from whatever you want to you structure, from whatever you want to you want to do. But at the same time, the want to do. But at the same time, the want to do. But at the same time, the same woman can ride a horse. And in same woman can ride a horse. And in same woman can ride a horse. And in order to ride a horse, she have to be order to ride a horse, she have to be order to ride a horse, she have to be quiet, calm, confident. quiet, calm, confident. quiet, calm, confident. >> Oh, yeah. And my my first girlfriend was >> Oh, yeah. And my my first girlfriend was >> Oh, yeah. And my my first girlfriend was a She had horses at home. a She had horses at home. a She had horses at home. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They had a stable below their their >> They had a stable below their their >> They had a stable below their their home. They actually weren't that home. They actually weren't that home. They actually weren't that wealthy, but her dad actually had like a wealthy, but her dad actually had like a wealthy, but her dad actually had like a not even a junior high school education. not even a junior high school education. not even a junior high school education. He came over from Greece. He became a He came over from Greece. He became a He came over from Greece. He became a taxi driver. And he was going to give taxi driver. And he was going to give taxi driver. And he was going to give his daughters this life. And they had his daughters this life. And they had his daughters this life. And they had this horse. this horse. this horse. And it was incredible to see her cuz And it was incredible to see her cuz And it was incredible to see her cuz she's very very quiet person actually, she's very very quiet person actually, she's very very quiet person actually, very artistic. very artistic. very artistic. >> And but with her horse, and he was a >> And but with her horse, and he was a >> And but with her horse, and he was a wild one. He was gelded late. And so it wild one. He was gelded late. And so it wild one. He was gelded late. And so it was a whole thing. was a whole thing. was a whole thing. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> Um and >> Um and >> Um and but her in the presence of that horse, but her in the presence of that horse, but her in the presence of that horse, like she just understood cuz he was like she just understood cuz he was like she just understood cuz he was dangerous. He was actually a dangerous dangerous. He was actually a dangerous dangerous. He was actually a dangerous animal. animal. animal. >> And a totally different side of her came >> And a totally different side of her came >> And a totally different side of her came out. And I I said it was the first time out. And I I said it was the first time out. And I I said it was the first time I realized I was like I was I mean I was I realized I was like I was I mean I was I realized I was like I was I mean I was a teenager, right? But I was like, wow, a teenager, right? But I was like, wow, a teenager, right? But I was like, wow, like she has this immense power. It's like she has this immense power. It's like she has this immense power. It's not like the kind of power that we think not like the kind of power that we think not like the kind of power that we think about. Of course, women have power and about. Of course, women have power and about. Of course, women have power and you know, all this, but it was a you know, all this, but it was a you know, all this, but it was a completely different landscape. And I completely different landscape. And I completely different landscape. And I was like, whoa. I I mean, first of all, was like, whoa. I I mean, first of all, was like, whoa. I I mean, first of all, I can't do that. I had to learn to be I can't do that. I had to learn to be I can't do that. I had to learn to be around him. around him. around him. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> But just the the level of calm and >> But just the the level of calm and >> But just the the level of calm and confidence confidence confidence uh to clean a horse. Like you you know, uh to clean a horse. Like you you know, uh to clean a horse. Like you you know, you know, a horse can kill you, right? you know, a horse can kill you, right? you know, a horse can kill you, right? But if you walk around going, "Oh my But if you walk around going, "Oh my But if you walk around going, "Oh my gosh, this horse can kill me." It does gosh, this horse can kill me." It does gosh, this horse can kill me." It does not go well. not go well. not go well. >> But exactly the way you know, so what we >> But exactly the way you know, so what we >> But exactly the way you know, so what we have to remember is is the human part have to remember is is the human part have to remember is is the human part before the gender, right? So just go before the gender, right? So just go before the gender, right? So just go back to your human. Can a man and a back to your human. Can a man and a back to your human. Can a man and a woman ride a horse? Yeah. Why? Because woman ride a horse? Yeah. Why? Because woman ride a horse? Yeah. Why? Because they're using the same energy and the they're using the same energy and the they're using the same energy and the same philosophy and the same actions. So same philosophy and the same actions. So same philosophy and the same actions. So I said, "Because it's a man or a woman? I said, "Because it's a man or a woman? I said, "Because it's a man or a woman? No, no, it's because they're using the No, no, it's because they're using the No, no, it's because they're using the same energy for So, it's a human thing. same energy for So, it's a human thing. same energy for So, it's a human thing. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? Not a gender thing. >> Right? Not a gender thing. >> Right? Not a gender thing. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? So, yeah, I I invite, you know, >> Right? So, yeah, I I invite, you know, >> Right? So, yeah, I I invite, you know, my my uh female clients to don't forget my my uh female clients to don't forget my my uh female clients to don't forget you also have this calm confident inside you also have this calm confident inside you also have this calm confident inside of you that your dog needs. of you that your dog needs. of you that your dog needs. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? Craves. And especially in Europe >> Right? Craves. And especially in Europe >> Right? Craves. And especially in Europe because most of the time people call me because most of the time people call me because most of the time people call me cuz the dog is in a fight state. Right? cuz the dog is in a fight state. Right? cuz the dog is in a fight state. Right? So, most of my cases are aggression. And So, most of my cases are aggression. And So, most of my cases are aggression. And so, in your case you have no choice. so, in your case you have no choice. so, in your case you have no choice. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You [clears throat] have to lead the >> You [clears throat] have to lead the >> You [clears throat] have to lead the pack. And the only way you can lead the pack. And the only way you can lead the pack. And the only way you can lead the pack is with calm confidence. pack is with calm confidence. pack is with calm confidence. You love the pack with love and joy. So, You love the pack with love and joy. So, You love the pack with love and joy. So, you already know how to do that. you already know how to do that. you already know how to do that. Right? You have to get You have to tap Right? You have to get You have to tap Right? You have to get You have to tap into what people call masculine energy. into what people call masculine energy. into what people call masculine energy. Right? That's so Can a Can a Can a woman Right? That's so Can a Can a Can a woman Right? That's so Can a Can a Can a woman ride a horse? Yes, she has to be in this ride a horse? Yes, she has to be in this ride a horse? Yes, she has to be in this energy to do it. energy to do it. energy to do it. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You see it? She has to So, she They just >> You see it? She has to So, she They just >> You see it? She has to So, she They just have to learn to recognize, okay, I'm have to learn to recognize, okay, I'm have to learn to recognize, okay, I'm not changing me. I'm just not changing me. I'm just not changing me. I'm just using everything about me. using everything about me. using everything about me. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? It's like a man Can a man use the >> Right? It's like a man Can a man use the >> Right? It's like a man Can a man use the feminine side? Yes, you can, of course, feminine side? Yes, you can, of course, feminine side? Yes, you can, of course, you have it. Right? Is your love joy. you have it. Right? Is your love joy. you have it. Right? Is your love joy. And your masculine is your calm And your masculine is your calm And your masculine is your calm confident. Silence is for everybody. confident. Silence is for everybody. confident. Silence is for everybody. It's your patience. It's your patience. It's your patience. Right? So, silence is before calm Right? So, silence is before calm Right? So, silence is before calm confident or love joy. confident or love joy. confident or love joy. And this is what they call feminine and And this is what they call feminine and And this is what they call feminine and this is what they call masculine. this is what they call masculine. this is what they call masculine. Right? So, it's Right? So, it's Right? So, it's I would However you want to call it, I would However you want to call it, I would However you want to call it, just be the whole human. just be the whole human. just be the whole human. Use your spirit, use your instinct, use Use your spirit, use your instinct, use Use your spirit, use your instinct, use your heart, use your mind. Trust, your heart, use your mind. Trust, your heart, use your mind. Trust, respect, love, and then do whatever your respect, love, and then do whatever your respect, love, and then do whatever your mind wants to do. mind wants to do. mind wants to do. It has nothing to do with women or a It has nothing to do with women or a It has nothing to do with women or a man. man. man. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But if we divide and we see each other >> But if we divide and we see each other >> But if we divide and we see each other different or say, "No, it's because I'm different or say, "No, it's because I'm different or say, "No, it's because I'm a woman I have to be emotional." Yes, a woman I have to be emotional." Yes, a woman I have to be emotional." Yes, you can be emotional at the right time. you can be emotional at the right time. you can be emotional at the right time. Just like a man can be emotional at the Just like a man can be emotional at the Just like a man can be emotional at the right time. Nobody's saying not to be right time. Nobody's saying not to be right time. Nobody's saying not to be loving. loving. loving. What we're saying is how to use this What we're saying is how to use this What we're saying is how to use this energy for good where you reward good energy for good where you reward good energy for good where you reward good behavior on humans and good behavior on behavior on humans and good behavior on behavior on humans and good behavior on dogs with the energy of love. dogs with the energy of love. dogs with the energy of love. Right? If the energy of love Right? If the energy of love Right? If the energy of love uh uh uh can change bad, there would be no bad can change bad, there would be no bad can change bad, there would be no bad men on in the world. men on in the world. men on in the world. Right? Cuz moms normally give you love. Right? Cuz moms normally give you love. Right? Cuz moms normally give you love. But love doesn't change the bad energy. But love doesn't change the bad energy. But love doesn't change the bad energy. It's the calm confidence that change the It's the calm confidence that change the It's the calm confidence that change the bad energy. bad energy. bad energy. The The The >> idea that, you know, society is broken, >> idea that, you know, society is broken, >> idea that, you know, society is broken, humans are broken. I mean, there are a humans are broken. I mean, there are a humans are broken. I mean, there are a lot of problems in the world right now. lot of problems in the world right now. lot of problems in the world right now. Purposely, by the way. Purposely, by the way. Purposely, by the way. Tell me more. Tell me more. Tell me more. >> If we get the wrong information, we're >> If we get the wrong information, we're >> If we get the wrong information, we're going to be no connection, going to be no connection, going to be no connection, communication, relationship. So, how can communication, relationship. So, how can communication, relationship. So, how can we become powerful? we become powerful? we become powerful? Right? Cuz when we unite, and then we Right? Cuz when we unite, and then we Right? Cuz when we unite, and then we become powerful, the pack unites. become powerful, the pack unites. become powerful, the pack unites. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> But if the pack is separated, the pack >> But if the pack is separated, the pack >> But if the pack is separated, the pack fights, flight, and avoid each other. fights, flight, and avoid each other. fights, flight, and avoid each other. Right? So, purposely, we get the wrong Right? So, purposely, we get the wrong Right? So, purposely, we get the wrong information. That's why my goal is to information. That's why my goal is to information. That's why my goal is to give people the right information. If give people the right information. If give people the right information. If you have low money, middle class, rich, you have low money, middle class, rich, you have low money, middle class, rich, it really doesn't matter. We should all it really doesn't matter. We should all it really doesn't matter. We should all know the same thing about dogs. know the same thing about dogs. know the same thing about dogs. We should all know the same thing about We should all know the same thing about We should all know the same thing about God. We should all know the same thing God. We should all know the same thing God. We should all know the same thing about Earth. All of us. It has nothing about Earth. All of us. It has nothing about Earth. All of us. It has nothing to do with what position in the pack you to do with what position in the pack you to do with what position in the pack you are, economically speaking. are, economically speaking. are, economically speaking. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> See it? So, what what what does that >> See it? So, what what what does that >> See it? So, what what what does that world look like? Well, that world look world look like? Well, that world look world look like? Well, that world look like like all humans around the world, like like all humans around the world, like like all humans around the world, regardless of the economical regardless of the economical regardless of the economical position, they're all going to have an position, they're all going to have an position, they're all going to have an amazing relationship with dogs. amazing relationship with dogs. amazing relationship with dogs. How? Because they're all have the same How? Because they're all have the same How? Because they're all have the same information. information. information. That's it. That's it. That's it. >> I I love that. I mean, I feel like we're >> I I love that. I mean, I feel like we're >> I I love that. I mean, I feel like we're we're drifting further and further away we're drifting further and further away we're drifting further and further away from ourselves as as a species. And what from ourselves as as a species. And what from ourselves as as a species. And what I'm hearing is that looking at our I'm hearing is that looking at our I'm hearing is that looking at our interactions with this other species, interactions with this other species, interactions with this other species, dogs, and looking at our practicing our dogs, and looking at our practicing our dogs, and looking at our practicing our ability to get outside ourselves. ability to get outside ourselves. ability to get outside ourselves. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And tapping into other aspects of >> And tapping into other aspects of >> And tapping into other aspects of ourselves, like the need for calm ourselves, like the need for calm ourselves, like the need for calm confidence when we just want to be confidence when we just want to be confidence when we just want to be loving. That's really about wanting to loving. That's really about wanting to loving. That's really about wanting to be loved. be loved. be loved. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, the person coming home is not >> You know, the person coming home is not >> You know, the person coming home is not It's not that the dog needs their love. It's not that the dog needs their love. It's not that the dog needs their love. They can hear, They can hear, They can hear, oh, you know, actually, the dog needs oh, you know, actually, the dog needs oh, you know, actually, the dog needs calm confidence. But calm confidence. But calm confidence. But >> I translate it as no, that this person >> I translate it as no, that this person >> I translate it as no, that this person just feels so tired at the end of the just feels so tired at the end of the just feels so tired at the end of the day. day. day. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What they need is something that just >> What they need is something that just >> What they need is something that just adores them. adores them. adores them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, and I the whole process of >> You know, and I the whole process of >> You know, and I the whole process of raising Costello was raising Costello was raising Costello was one of reading your book. Really, this one of reading your book. Really, this one of reading your book. Really, this is this is why you're here. I mean, cuz is this is why you're here. I mean, cuz is this is why you're here. I mean, cuz I I I See that saw and experienced so much See that saw and experienced so much See that saw and experienced so much value from your teaching. value from your teaching. value from your teaching. And then realizing that And then realizing that And then realizing that if I really want to get what I want, if I really want to get what I want, if I really want to get what I want, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> it means building the relationship means >> it means building the relationship means >> it means building the relationship means not doing this thing in the moment. I'm not doing this thing in the moment. I'm not doing this thing in the moment. I'm thinking about the whole relationship. thinking about the whole relationship. thinking about the whole relationship. Safety first, is right. And so, it's Safety first, is right. And so, it's Safety first, is right. And so, it's this kind of counterintuitive thing of this kind of counterintuitive thing of this kind of counterintuitive thing of needing to go against self in the moment needing to go against self in the moment needing to go against self in the moment to create the sort of picture where you to create the sort of picture where you to create the sort of picture where you get so much more and everybody wins. get so much more and everybody wins. get so much more and everybody wins. There is a version of everybody, There is a version of everybody, There is a version of everybody, including the dogs, wins. But, including the dogs, wins. But, including the dogs, wins. But, it requires a level of it requires a level of it requires a level of self-discipline, awareness, self-discipline, awareness, self-discipline, awareness, calmness, breathing that I think many calmness, breathing that I think many calmness, breathing that I think many people and certainly in that time I felt people and certainly in that time I felt people and certainly in that time I felt like a just so much constant pressure to like a just so much constant pressure to like a just so much constant pressure to do to do. So, there's a certain amount do to do. So, there's a certain amount do to do. So, there's a certain amount of slowing down and self-awareness of slowing down and self-awareness of slowing down and self-awareness that's required for everything that that's required for everything that that's required for everything that you're describing. What is your practice you're describing. What is your practice you're describing. What is your practice for that on a daily base? I mean, you're for that on a daily base? I mean, you're for that on a daily base? I mean, you're a master now, right? You're a virtuoso a master now, right? You're a virtuoso a master now, right? You're a virtuoso at this. But, for the at this. But, for the at this. But, for the I would say there's unskilled, skilled, I would say there's unskilled, skilled, I would say there's unskilled, skilled, master, and virtuosity. You're up at master, and virtuosity. You're up at master, and virtuosity. You're up at >> Back of the back of the back of the back >> Back of the back of the back of the back >> Back of the back of the back of the back of of of >> But, so for somebody who's trying to >> But, so for somebody who's trying to >> But, so for somebody who's trying to move from unskilled to skill in the move from unskilled to skill in the move from unskilled to skill in the domain of like domain of like domain of like slowing down, thinking about what the slowing down, thinking about what the slowing down, thinking about what the priority in this interaction is, getting priority in this interaction is, getting priority in this interaction is, getting all that working while life is happening all that working while life is happening all that working while life is happening in real time. in real time. in real time. >> Lots happening and it's coming through >> Lots happening and it's coming through >> Lots happening and it's coming through the phone and this and that, schedules. the phone and this and that, schedules. the phone and this and that, schedules. >> How do you recommend, young or old, that >> How do you recommend, young or old, that >> How do you recommend, young or old, that people start to cultivate this awareness people start to cultivate this awareness people start to cultivate this awareness and this and this and this >> I think the quicker we become aware what >> I think the quicker we become aware what >> I think the quicker we become aware what is life about, right? Cuz we all going is life about, right? Cuz we all going is life about, right? Cuz we all going to die. to die. to die. And so, what what what is life about? And so, what what what is life about? And so, what what what is life about? And life is about life, right? Life is And life is about life, right? Life is And life is about life, right? Life is to be happy, to be healthy, to be to be happy, to be healthy, to be to be happy, to be healthy, to be loving, and to be smart. That's life. loving, and to be smart. That's life. loving, and to be smart. That's life. And then it's time. how do you And then it's time. how do you And then it's time. how do you structure, how do you manage time, structure, how do you manage time, structure, how do you manage time, right? And and uh and then is memories, right? And and uh and then is memories, right? And and uh and then is memories, that's all you take. Once you realize that's all you take. Once you realize that's all you take. Once you realize those three things, those three things, those three things, I I think you're going to be able to I I think you're going to be able to I I think you're going to be able to focus and and experience life focus and and experience life focus and and experience life um the way animals do, um the way animals do, um the way animals do, right? Cuz they're very grateful of right? Cuz they're very grateful of right? Cuz they're very grateful of life, they structure time very wisely. life, they structure time very wisely. life, they structure time very wisely. And then by the time they die, they only And then by the time they die, they only And then by the time they die, they only take good memories. take good memories. take good memories. Right? Cuz that's all you take, good Right? Cuz that's all you take, good Right? Cuz that's all you take, good memories. And so the quicker we memories. And so the quicker we memories. And so the quicker we surrender to that concept, uh the surrender to that concept, uh the surrender to that concept, uh the quicker we are going to focus in what's quicker we are going to focus in what's quicker we are going to focus in what's what's valuable, what's valuable, what's valuable, right? And and what and things that we right? And and what and things that we right? And and what and things that we can definitely practice that this this can definitely practice that this this can definitely practice that this this concept of love, concept of love, concept of love, right? And so that to me is be grateful right? And so that to me is be grateful right? And so that to me is be grateful of life every day, be thankful of life of life every day, be thankful of life of life every day, be thankful of life every day, you know, learn with your every day, you know, learn with your every day, you know, learn with your mind to learn to achieve, give it away. mind to learn to achieve, give it away. mind to learn to achieve, give it away. It's very important to be of service and It's very important to be of service and It's very important to be of service and make other humans, you know, or animals, make other humans, you know, or animals, make other humans, you know, or animals, you know, you know, you know, achieve what you just achieve. And of achieve what you just achieve. And of achieve what you just achieve. And of course, you know, the energy of love to course, you know, the energy of love to course, you know, the energy of love to love those three things about it, right? love those three things about it, right? love those three things about it, right? Your spirit, your instinct, and your Your spirit, your instinct, and your Your spirit, your instinct, and your mind. Learn to love that about you cuz mind. Learn to love that about you cuz mind. Learn to love that about you cuz that's who you are. So who is Cesar that's who you are. So who is Cesar that's who you are. So who is Cesar Millan? Cesar Millan is a spirit, he's Millan? Cesar Millan is a spirit, he's Millan? Cesar Millan is a spirit, he's an instinct, he's a heart, and he's a an instinct, he's a heart, and he's a an instinct, he's a heart, and he's a mind. mind. mind. Right? So and then man, I value that so Right? So and then man, I value that so Right? So and then man, I value that so much. much. much. And and that once I value that, it's And and that once I value that, it's And and that once I value that, it's easy to love what you value. easy to love what you value. easy to love what you value. You see it? It's easy to love what you You see it? It's easy to love what you You see it? It's easy to love what you value. And so once you realize this this value. And so once you realize this this value. And so once you realize this this natural, simple, profound self, you want natural, simple, profound self, you want natural, simple, profound self, you want to give it away. I give it away to dogs. to give it away. I give it away to dogs. to give it away. I give it away to dogs. And because I do that, I get to And because I do that, I get to And because I do that, I get to rehabilitate dogs that people rehabilitate dogs that people rehabilitate dogs that people unconsciously have confused. unconsciously have confused. unconsciously have confused. See it? Cuz dogs in America, you know, See it? Cuz dogs in America, you know, See it? Cuz dogs in America, you know, dogs in their country are skinny, but dogs in their country are skinny, but dogs in their country are skinny, but they don't have psychological problems. they don't have psychological problems. they don't have psychological problems. Dogs in America are chunky and I get to Dogs in America are chunky and I get to Dogs in America are chunky and I get to have a TV show. So dogs in America have a TV show. So dogs in America have a TV show. So dogs in America should be the happiest, healthiest, should be the happiest, healthiest, should be the happiest, healthiest, loving, smartest dog on Earth cuz that loving, smartest dog on Earth cuz that loving, smartest dog on Earth cuz that dogs in America have rights. dogs in America have rights. dogs in America have rights. You understand that concept? But why You understand that concept? But why You understand that concept? But why would a guy from Mexico comes to America would a guy from Mexico comes to America would a guy from Mexico comes to America and National Geographic gives him a TV and National Geographic gives him a TV and National Geographic gives him a TV show? show? show? Because America Because America Because America created fight, flight, avoidance created fight, flight, avoidance created fight, flight, avoidance unconsciously. Even though America loves unconsciously. Even though America loves unconsciously. Even though America loves dogs more than any other country I've dogs more than any other country I've dogs more than any other country I've ever seen in my life. ever seen in my life. ever seen in my life. Dogs have birthday parties in America. Dogs have birthday parties in America. Dogs have birthday parties in America. Dogs have Christmas presents in America. Dogs have Christmas presents in America. Dogs have Christmas presents in America. Dogs get married in America. Dogs get married in America. Dogs get married in America. Dogs get married? Dogs get married? Dogs get married? That's you know, taking the humanization That's you know, taking the humanization That's you know, taking the humanization to another level, but that's that's just to another level, but that's that's just to another level, but that's that's just shows you, you know, the the shows you, you know, the the shows you, you know, the the the creativity of human. the creativity of human. the creativity of human. But not because a dog has all this But not because a dog has all this But not because a dog has all this money, fame, and power, the dog is money, fame, and power, the dog is money, fame, and power, the dog is happy. happy. happy. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> My goal is is for people to understand >> My goal is is for people to understand >> My goal is is for people to understand that, you know, happiness and health and that, you know, happiness and health and that, you know, happiness and health and and and having a good heart and having a and and having a good heart and having a and and having a good heart and having a a good creative mind a good creative mind a good creative mind shouldn't take too much. shouldn't take too much. shouldn't take too much. Right? It's just it's just about being Right? It's just it's just about being Right? It's just it's just about being grateful. Right? It's just about being grateful. Right? It's just about being grateful. Right? It's just about being thankful. It's about loving those two thankful. It's about loving those two thankful. It's about loving those two things. And then make sure that your things. And then make sure that your things. And then make sure that your mind learn, achieve, gives it away, or mind learn, achieve, gives it away, or mind learn, achieve, gives it away, or learn to turn it off. So, don't use your learn to turn it off. So, don't use your learn to turn it off. So, don't use your mind to think bad things. mind to think bad things. mind to think bad things. >> What's your process for turning off your >> What's your process for turning off your >> What's your process for turning off your mind? This is a very mind? This is a very mind? This is a very common challenge for people. common challenge for people. common challenge for people. >> I think the easiest way for people to >> I think the easiest way for people to >> I think the easiest way for people to experience because they have to see it, experience because they have to see it, experience because they have to see it, right? You can tell people right? You can tell people right? You can tell people but if they don't see it inside, they but if they don't see it inside, they but if they don't see it inside, they they're never going to see understand they're never going to see understand they're never going to see understand what you mean. what you mean. what you mean. So, what what I help people with is I So, what what I help people with is I So, what what I help people with is I put them in the cold plunge. put them in the cold plunge. put them in the cold plunge. Right? And so, once they go through the Right? And so, once they go through the Right? And so, once they go through the fight, flight, avoidance, they want to fight, flight, avoidance, they want to fight, flight, avoidance, they want to see and they get to the calm surrender. see and they get to the calm surrender. see and they get to the calm surrender. What are you thinking? I'm thinking What are you thinking? I'm thinking What are you thinking? I'm thinking nothing. That's exactly what what what a nothing. That's exactly what what what a nothing. That's exactly what what what a clear mind looks like. Right? So, clear mind looks like. Right? So, clear mind looks like. Right? So, through that cold plunge experience, the through that cold plunge experience, the through that cold plunge experience, the human gets to understand breath, human gets to understand breath, human gets to understand breath, patience, patience, patience, you know, confidence, you know, confidence, you know, confidence, and not to think anything because you're and not to think anything because you're and not to think anything because you're doing this with your spirit and your doing this with your spirit and your doing this with your spirit and your instinct and your heart. This is your instinct and your heart. This is your instinct and your heart. This is your mind just have to wait for the the three mind just have to wait for the the three mind just have to wait for the the three minutes. minutes. minutes. That's [clears throat] it. Without That's [clears throat] it. Without That's [clears throat] it. Without anticipation, so there's just nothing anticipation, so there's just nothing anticipation, so there's just nothing there. there. there. Right? And then, of course, the cold Right? And then, of course, the cold Right? And then, of course, the cold doesn't let you think. doesn't let you think. doesn't let you think. Right? But the only thing you can do is Right? But the only thing you can do is Right? But the only thing you can do is breathe and wait. And so, then once they breathe and wait. And so, then once they breathe and wait. And so, then once they see it, okay, that is the meaning of not see it, okay, that is the meaning of not see it, okay, that is the meaning of not having nothing in your mind. having nothing in your mind. having nothing in your mind. Right? So, I'm making them experience it Right? So, I'm making them experience it Right? So, I'm making them experience it versus if I just tell them, versus if I just tell them, versus if I just tell them, they can't picture it. they can't picture it. they can't picture it. >> As somebody who's a real believer, as >> As somebody who's a real believer, as >> As somebody who's a real believer, as you probably know, in deliberate cold you probably know, in deliberate cold you probably know, in deliberate cold exposure, I mean, I think it's exposure, I mean, I think it's exposure, I mean, I think it's it's uh people it's zero cost. I mean, it's uh people it's zero cost. I mean, it's uh people it's zero cost. I mean, you you use a cold shower, you know, it you you use a cold shower, you know, it you you use a cold shower, you know, it saves on the water bill. So, this isn't saves on the water bill. So, this isn't saves on the water bill. So, this isn't like having to run out and buy like having to run out and buy like having to run out and buy something. something. something. What it tells me because of the cold What it tells me because of the cold What it tells me because of the cold plunge plunge plunge immediately, reliably releases immediately, reliably releases immediately, reliably releases adrenaline, adrenaline, adrenaline, which then wakes up the brain as well. which then wakes up the brain as well. which then wakes up the brain as well. >> That's your instinct. >> That's your instinct. >> That's your instinct. >> Shuts down the forebrain. The very >> Shuts down the forebrain. The very >> Shuts down the forebrain. The very fascinating um that you're saying this fascinating um that you're saying this fascinating um that you're saying this because the forebrain is strategy, etc. because the forebrain is strategy, etc. because the forebrain is strategy, etc. But in the first 20 or 30 seconds of But in the first 20 or 30 seconds of But in the first 20 or 30 seconds of deliberate cold exposure, the prefrontal deliberate cold exposure, the prefrontal deliberate cold exposure, the prefrontal cortex, which controls all the top-down cortex, which controls all the top-down cortex, which controls all the top-down inhibition of impulse, is it's not shut inhibition of impulse, is it's not shut inhibition of impulse, is it's not shut off, but it is greatly diminished. You off, but it is greatly diminished. You off, but it is greatly diminished. You can't strategize well. You're just can't strategize well. You're just can't strategize well. You're just thinking out, you know? So, you're thinking out, you know? So, you're thinking out, you know? So, you're saying people need to get past the point saying people need to get past the point saying people need to get past the point where they're trying to where they're trying to where they're trying to uh uh uh suppress impulse, but they need to suppress impulse, but they need to suppress impulse, but they need to experience adrenaline. experience adrenaline. experience adrenaline. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> Got it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> And then they get to peace. >> And then they get to peace. >> And then they get to peace. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> And that's the energy to bring >> And that's the energy to bring >> And that's the energy to bring >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> to your interaction [clears throat] with >> to your interaction [clears throat] with >> to your interaction [clears throat] with your dog. your dog. your dog. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And ideally to your spouse and your >> And ideally to your spouse and your >> And ideally to your spouse and your kids, too. kids, too. kids, too. >> Everywhere. >> Everywhere. >> Everywhere. Everywhere. So, a human after a cold Everywhere. So, a human after a cold Everywhere. So, a human after a cold plunge brings that energy away. You plunge brings that energy away. You plunge brings that energy away. You don't have to talk. Everybody knows your don't have to talk. Everybody knows your don't have to talk. Everybody knows your energy feels really good. energy feels really good. energy feels really good. All because you went to Mother Nature. All because you went to Mother Nature. All because you went to Mother Nature. Right? That was Mother Nature, cold. Right? That was Mother Nature, cold. Right? That was Mother Nature, cold. Right? It's water, cold. That's Mother Right? It's water, cold. That's Mother Right? It's water, cold. That's Mother Nature. Right? So, imagine uh you bring Nature. Right? So, imagine uh you bring Nature. Right? So, imagine uh you bring that energy to your to to meeting a dog, that energy to your to to meeting a dog, that energy to your to to meeting a dog, to walking with a dog, to feeding a dog. to walking with a dog, to feeding a dog. to walking with a dog, to feeding a dog. That's it. That's all I want people to That's it. That's all I want people to That's it. That's all I want people to experience cuz everybody wants to experience cuz everybody wants to experience cuz everybody wants to They want to do that. They want to do that. They want to do that. Right? Or they want to do I'm not aware Right? Or they want to do I'm not aware Right? Or they want to do I'm not aware how I feel. I just want to give how I feel. I just want to give how I feel. I just want to give affection. affection. affection. You see it? So that So that that is good You see it? So that So that that is good You see it? So that So that that is good for the human, not necessarily good for for the human, not necessarily good for for the human, not necessarily good for everybody else cuz that human is everybody else cuz that human is everybody else cuz that human is spreading that energy. So my goal is for spreading that energy. So my goal is for spreading that energy. So my goal is for people to spread, you know, silence, people to spread, you know, silence, people to spread, you know, silence, calmness, confidence, love, joy because calmness, confidence, love, joy because calmness, confidence, love, joy because that's exactly how you feel after a cold that's exactly how you feel after a cold that's exactly how you feel after a cold plunge. plunge. plunge. Exactly in 3 minutes. Exactly in 3 minutes. Exactly in 3 minutes. You get into that state. You have to You get into that state. You have to You get into that state. You have to learn to love, you know, the the process learn to love, you know, the the process learn to love, you know, the the process of I'm going to fight flight avoidance. of I'm going to fight flight avoidance. of I'm going to fight flight avoidance. But I'm not going to listen to that part But I'm not going to listen to that part But I'm not going to listen to that part of me. I'm going to listen to my calm of me. I'm going to listen to my calm of me. I'm going to listen to my calm surrender. surrender. surrender. I'm going to listen to my calm I'm going to listen to my calm I'm going to listen to my calm confidence. confidence. confidence. And then once I finish, I'm going to And then once I finish, I'm going to And then once I finish, I'm going to listen to my happy-go-lucky. listen to my happy-go-lucky. listen to my happy-go-lucky. And that's all you want. That's it. And that's all you want. That's it. And that's all you want. That's it. Those three state of minds are super Those three state of minds are super Those three state of minds are super powerful. powerful. powerful. >> You know, I've thought a lot about >> You know, I've thought a lot about >> You know, I've thought a lot about deliberate cold exposure, deliberate cold exposure, deliberate cold exposure, adrenaline, norepinephrine. You get this adrenaline, norepinephrine. You get this adrenaline, norepinephrine. You get this long arc of dopamine that lasts hours long arc of dopamine that lasts hours long arc of dopamine that lasts hours and hours and hours afterwards. And then and hours and hours afterwards. And then and hours and hours afterwards. And then that my critics will say, "Well, it's that my critics will say, "Well, it's that my critics will say, "Well, it's just dopamine in the body, not in the just dopamine in the body, not in the just dopamine in the body, not in the brain." Actually, new findings show it's brain." Actually, new findings show it's brain." Actually, new findings show it's dopamine in your brain and body. Long dopamine in your brain and body. Long dopamine in your brain and body. Long arc of very few things produce this arc of very few things produce this arc of very few things produce this thing of long-lasting dopamine. Drugs thing of long-lasting dopamine. Drugs thing of long-lasting dopamine. Drugs will spike and drop. will spike and drop. will spike and drop. >> Right. Well, good relationship with a >> Right. Well, good relationship with a >> Right. Well, good relationship with a dog is long-lasting dopamine. dog is long-lasting dopamine. dog is long-lasting dopamine. You know, a well-balanced dog is a You know, a well-balanced dog is a You know, a well-balanced dog is a long-lasting whatever you want, you long-lasting whatever you want, you long-lasting whatever you want, you know? know? know? I hope you want the four worlds, your I hope you want the four worlds, your I hope you want the four worlds, your spirit, your instinct, your heart, and spirit, your instinct, your heart, and spirit, your instinct, your heart, and your mind, all of them by walking. your mind, all of them by walking. your mind, all of them by walking. Just walk with the dog for a long period Just walk with the dog for a long period Just walk with the dog for a long period of time, then you do your play explore. of time, then you do your play explore. of time, then you do your play explore. That's the best medicine any human can That's the best medicine any human can That's the best medicine any human can can get. can get. can get. >> It's the the amount of peace that I >> It's the the amount of peace that I >> It's the the amount of peace that I still get from my relationship with still get from my relationship with still get from my relationship with Costello. I mean, he's passed now, but Costello. I mean, he's passed now, but Costello. I mean, he's passed now, but he's still he's still he's still >> Yeah, everywhere even his spirit >> Yeah, everywhere even his spirit >> Yeah, everywhere even his spirit >> uh is >> uh is >> uh is I mean, I would say it's very natural. I mean, I would say it's very natural. I mean, I would say it's very natural. >> It's where I It makes me well up, you >> It's where I It makes me well up, you >> It's where I It makes me well up, you know, not out of sadness. It's like I know, not out of sadness. It's like I know, not out of sadness. It's like I can feel the the love of the can feel the the love of the can feel the the love of the relationship. Right? You know, I had to relationship. Right? You know, I had to relationship. Right? You know, I had to ask an an on my list and I'm going to ask an an on my list and I'm going to ask an an on my list and I'm going to ask this is the right time, I believe. ask this is the right time, I believe. ask this is the right time, I believe. Um Um Um So, as So, as So, as Costello got to 11 years old. It's Costello got to 11 years old. It's Costello got to 11 years old. It's pretty old for a bulldog. That's right. pretty old for a bulldog. That's right. pretty old for a bulldog. That's right. He had a some sort of spinal stroke. He He had a some sort of spinal stroke. He He had a some sort of spinal stroke. He couldn't walk. He was falling over. I couldn't walk. He was falling over. I couldn't walk. He was falling over. I was like distraught. How can I get this was like distraught. How can I get this was like distraught. How can I get this fixed? And at some point I realized, you fixed? And at some point I realized, you fixed? And at some point I realized, you know, when people say like they'll let know, when people say like they'll let know, when people say like they'll let you know. you know. you know. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I had a a feeling and then a thought and >> I had a a feeling and then a thought and >> I had a a feeling and then a thought and it went something like this. it went something like this. it went something like this. I made a contract with him I made a contract with him I made a contract with him to take care of him. to take care of him. to take care of him. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And >> And >> And in the contract of being a really good in the contract of being a really good in the contract of being a really good dog dog dog owner, but like mostly in the contract owner, but like mostly in the contract owner, but like mostly in the contract of the relationship, I owed him a of the relationship, I owed him a of the relationship, I owed him a a peaceful exit. Hated going to the vet, a peaceful exit. Hated going to the vet, a peaceful exit. Hated going to the vet, so I got someone to come to the house so I got someone to come to the house so I got someone to come to the house and do this thing. and do this thing. and do this thing. Most people they hate the concept of Most people they hate the concept of Most people they hate the concept of death, death, death, especially in family members or a dog. especially in family members or a dog. especially in family members or a dog. And I think it would have been useful to And I think it would have been useful to And I think it would have been useful to me to understand the day I got him me to understand the day I got him me to understand the day I got him that someday this is going to end. that someday this is going to end. that someday this is going to end. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I think like this thing about >> And I think like this thing about >> And I think like this thing about honoring death is a real thing honoring death is a real thing honoring death is a real thing >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> uh >> uh >> uh is so important. Because that last two is so important. Because that last two is so important. Because that last two weeks was a real struggle between me and weeks was a real struggle between me and weeks was a real struggle between me and myself. My desire to just keep it going myself. My desire to just keep it going myself. My desire to just keep it going and I realized I was being selfish. It and I realized I was being selfish. It and I realized I was being selfish. It was about me. And of course, I was about me. And of course, I was about me. And of course, I gave him a the best passage I I could. gave him a the best passage I I could. gave him a the best passage I I could. And people in my life who knew me and And people in my life who knew me and And people in my life who knew me and knew my relationship to him, they said I knew my relationship to him, they said I knew my relationship to him, they said I I actually can't believe you did it. I'm I actually can't believe you did it. I'm I actually can't believe you did it. I'm surprised you were able to. But the surprised you were able to. But the surprised you were able to. But the moment I realized like this is the final moment I realized like this is the final moment I realized like this is the final line line line >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> in being in the contract of being a >> in being in the contract of being a >> in being in the contract of being a really good dog owner, really good dog owner, really good dog owner, I was like, of course I have to do this. I was like, of course I have to do this. I was like, of course I have to do this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, no one likes this topic, but >> So, no one likes this topic, but >> So, no one likes this topic, but given where you're from, what is your given where you're from, what is your given where you're from, what is your relationship to the concept of death relationship to the concept of death relationship to the concept of death as it relates to to dogs? And the as it relates to to dogs? And the as it relates to to dogs? And the question is very specific here. Do question is very specific here. Do question is very specific here. Do People say they know, they'll let you People say they know, they'll let you People say they know, they'll let you know. know. know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The question I want to know is >> The question I want to know is >> The question I want to know is is it okay to show your dog sadness or is it okay to show your dog sadness or is it okay to show your dog sadness or does it make the dog that's dying more does it make the dog that's dying more does it make the dog that's dying more anxious? anxious? anxious? >> With my kids, you know, I have two kids >> With my kids, you know, I have two kids >> With my kids, you know, I have two kids and you know, obviously we have a pack and you know, obviously we have a pack and you know, obviously we have a pack of dogs. They have experienced dogs of dogs. They have experienced dogs of dogs. They have experienced dogs passing. We always make a celebration. I passing. We always make a celebration. I passing. We always make a celebration. I always bring them to their their always bring them to their their always bring them to their their favorite place. So I definitely bring favorite place. So I definitely bring favorite place. So I definitely bring more of the energy of happiness and I I more of the energy of happiness and I I more of the energy of happiness and I I ask my kids if you're going to cry or ask my kids if you're going to cry or ask my kids if you're going to cry or whatever, just do it away from them. whatever, just do it away from them. whatever, just do it away from them. Otherwise, you hold them. Otherwise, you hold them. Otherwise, you hold them. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> Right? So I don't I want them to go >> Right? So I don't I want them to go >> Right? So I don't I want them to go back. That's why it's so good to think back. That's why it's so good to think back. That's why it's so good to think to believe in God because they're going to believe in God because they're going to believe in God because they're going back to the source. So they're way back to the source. So they're way back to the source. So they're way better with him than they're they're better with him than they're they're better with him than they're they're with, you know, here. I did my homework with, you know, here. I did my homework with, you know, here. I did my homework right too, also. So I feel really good right too, also. So I feel really good right too, also. So I feel really good that I gave the best life that I gave the best life that I gave the best life >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> uh for that particular dog, right? Um >> uh for that particular dog, right? Um >> uh for that particular dog, right? Um and so when it's time to go, they tell and so when it's time to go, they tell and so when it's time to go, they tell you. They they tell you. They can, you you. They they tell you. They can, you you. They they tell you. They can, you know, ask many many signs. But at the know, ask many many signs. But at the know, ask many many signs. But at the same time as, you know, when is the day, same time as, you know, when is the day, same time as, you know, when is the day, is everybody happy? is everybody happy? is everybody happy? Everybody's happy. We're going to we're Everybody's happy. We're going to we're Everybody's happy. We're going to we're going to dance. We're going to going to dance. We're going to going to dance. We're going to celebrate. We're going to celebrate. We're going to celebrate. We're going to uh you know, it's a ritual. You can make uh you know, it's a ritual. You can make uh you know, it's a ritual. You can make a sad ritual or you can make a happy a sad ritual or you can make a happy a sad ritual or you can make a happy ritual. ritual. ritual. You see, it's time for him to depart. You see, it's time for him to depart. You see, it's time for him to depart. It's time to go. So when I die, I want It's time to go. So when I die, I want It's time to go. So when I die, I want everybody to be happy. I don't want no everybody to be happy. I don't want no everybody to be happy. I don't want no sadness. I Listen, my life is sadness. I Listen, my life is sadness. I Listen, my life is beyond what I thought. Right? So I I beyond what I thought. Right? So I I beyond what I thought. Right? So I I give that same life to a dog. Same. give that same life to a dog. Same. give that same life to a dog. Same. It's I'm very dedicated human. Seven It's I'm very dedicated human. Seven It's I'm very dedicated human. Seven days a week uh days a week uh days a week uh even if I don't feel good, it doesn't even if I don't feel good, it doesn't even if I don't feel good, it doesn't matter. I go and walk that pack. matter. I go and walk that pack. matter. I go and walk that pack. I'm very committed. Right? It's all I'm very committed. Right? It's all I'm very committed. Right? It's all about honor. It's all about respect. about honor. It's all about respect. about honor. It's all about respect. It's That's my way of showing my heart It's That's my way of showing my heart It's That's my way of showing my heart and in my mind, I don't have one day and in my mind, I don't have one day and in my mind, I don't have one day that I I did wrong by them. that I I did wrong by them. that I I did wrong by them. So when it's time for them to go, it's So when it's time for them to go, it's So when it's time for them to go, it's time for them to go, but we're going to time for them to go, but we're going to time for them to go, but we're going to make happy about it cuz they're going make happy about it cuz they're going make happy about it cuz they're going back to God. That's how I see it. And back to God. That's how I see it. And back to God. That's how I see it. And you know, as you said as you as you're you know, as you said as you as you're you know, as you said as you as you're talking about, the spirit never dies. talking about, the spirit never dies. talking about, the spirit never dies. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You know, the spirit never dies and it's >> You know, the spirit never dies and it's >> You know, the spirit never dies and it's an opening for me to help another soul an opening for me to help another soul an opening for me to help another soul and another soul cuz that's what that's and another soul cuz that's what that's and another soul cuz that's what that's why I'm here, right? I'm here why I'm here, right? I'm here why I'm here, right? I'm here on Earth to my time can be used wisely on Earth to my time can be used wisely on Earth to my time can be used wisely to keep helping. to keep helping. to keep helping. And that's what I find, you know, my And that's what I find, you know, my And that's what I find, you know, my inspiration, motivation. inspiration, motivation. inspiration, motivation. That's it. That's it. That's it. >> Beautiful. Not what I expected and I'm >> Beautiful. Not what I expected and I'm >> Beautiful. Not what I expected and I'm so pleasantly surprised. I challenges me to even say it cuz he's challenges me to even say it cuz he's still so new, but when Strummer dies, still so new, but when Strummer dies, still so new, but when Strummer dies, the last 24 hours of his life will be a the last 24 hours of his life will be a the last 24 hours of his life will be a celebration with him. celebration with him. celebration with him. >> Yeah, celebration. >> Yeah, celebration. >> Yeah, celebration. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Happy spirit, you know what I'm saying? >> Happy spirit, you know what I'm saying? >> Happy spirit, you know what I'm saying? Laugh, dance, you know, Laugh, dance, you know, Laugh, dance, you know, just happiness. just happiness. just happiness. Cuz they once you start going like this, Cuz they once you start going like this, Cuz they once you start going like this, they don't they they they get worried. they don't they they they get worried. they don't they they they get worried. You know, and then the spirit lingers. You know, and then the spirit lingers. You know, and then the spirit lingers. You don't want to You just want it to You don't want to You just want it to You don't want to You just want it to go, you know, and for them to give you go, you know, and for them to give you go, you know, and for them to give you direction, protection. This, you know, I direction, protection. This, you know, I direction, protection. This, you know, I have a big pack on heaven. have a big pack on heaven. have a big pack on heaven. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You definitely have a big pack waiting >> You definitely have a big pack waiting >> You definitely have a big pack waiting for you. for you. for you. >> When I go home, you know, I'm going to >> When I go home, you know, I'm going to >> When I go home, you know, I'm going to I'm going to have the, you know, how I'm going to have the, you know, how I'm going to have the, you know, how many dogs I have I saved my life. many dogs I have I saved my life. many dogs I have I saved my life. So, eat So, eat So, eat Yeah, I'm going home. Yeah, I'm going home. Yeah, I'm going home. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> You know, Earth is a beautiful home, but >> You know, Earth is a beautiful home, but >> You know, Earth is a beautiful home, but it's temporary. it's temporary. it's temporary. >> Yeah. Well, I believe this, too. >> Yeah. Well, I believe this, too. >> Yeah. Well, I believe this, too. >> Yeah, it's temporary. >> Yeah, it's temporary. >> Yeah, it's temporary. >> I've talked a bit about my faith. I just >> I've talked a bit about my faith. I just >> I've talked a bit about my faith. I just now is not the time, but I'm you know, now is not the time, but I'm you know, now is not the time, but I'm you know, my audience knows I'm very my audience knows I'm very my audience knows I'm very very much in in agreement that, you very much in in agreement that, you very much in in agreement that, you know, this is this is an amazing phase know, this is this is an amazing phase know, this is this is an amazing phase of us, but it's not the only phase. And of us, but it's not the only phase. And of us, but it's not the only phase. And so, if people are feeling uh sad, like, so, if people are feeling uh sad, like, so, if people are feeling uh sad, like, you know, the number of people I know you know, the number of people I know you know, the number of people I know who turn to their dog for emotional who turn to their dog for emotional who turn to their dog for emotional support or a Yes. support or a Yes. support or a Yes. around a loss of a loved one or breakup around a loss of a loved one or breakup around a loss of a loved one or breakup or loss of a job or just the world, or loss of a job or just the world, or loss of a job or just the world, whatever. whatever. whatever. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What is your stance on that? >> What is your stance on that? >> What is your stance on that? >> It's bad because they're passing that >> It's bad because they're passing that >> It's bad because they're passing that energy to the dog that doesn't know what energy to the dog that doesn't know what energy to the dog that doesn't know what happened. But, I mean, obviously, happened. But, I mean, obviously, happened. But, I mean, obviously, they're going to help you absorb the they're going to help you absorb the they're going to help you absorb the energy, but after you did that, energy, but after you did that, energy, but after you did that, just take him to the beach so he can let just take him to the beach so he can let just take him to the beach so he can let go to the energy. Same thing when you go to the energy. Same thing when you go to the energy. Same thing when you bring a dog to a hospital, right? The bring a dog to a hospital, right? The bring a dog to a hospital, right? The and the therapy dogs. They go to and the therapy dogs. They go to and the therapy dogs. They go to hospitals, you know, kids with cancer, hospitals, you know, kids with cancer, hospitals, you know, kids with cancer, da da da da da da, da da da da da da, da da da da da da, depressed people, blah blah blah. That depressed people, blah blah blah. That depressed people, blah blah blah. That dog absorbs that energy. dog absorbs that energy. dog absorbs that energy. Okay? Just like you will and absorb Okay? Just like you will and absorb Okay? Just like you will and absorb people's energy. Your job is to go and people's energy. Your job is to go and people's energy. Your job is to go and let it go. let it go. let it go. So, every time you give bad energy, So, every time you give bad energy, So, every time you give bad energy, you know, help people or help dogs to you know, help people or help dogs to you know, help people or help dogs to get rid of that energy that is not get rid of that energy that is not get rid of that energy that is not healthy for them. healthy for them. healthy for them. Yeah. Utilize it, you know, it's it's Yeah. Utilize it, you know, it's it's Yeah. Utilize it, you know, it's it's available. Uh but again, you can also go available. Uh but again, you can also go available. Uh but again, you can also go and take a cold plunge before you hug and take a cold plunge before you hug and take a cold plunge before you hug the dog. And that way you kill that the dog. And that way you kill that the dog. And that way you kill that energy. You know, kill that energy. Just energy. You know, kill that energy. Just energy. You know, kill that energy. Just kill it. And only give good energy to kill it. And only give good energy to kill it. And only give good energy to your family. your family. your family. Give good energy to your home. It's Give good energy to your home. It's Give good energy to your home. It's discipline. discipline. discipline. It's easier just to go and It's easier just to go and It's easier just to go and throw that negative energy that you just throw that negative energy that you just throw that negative energy that you just grabbed. It's easier. But then you grabbed. It's easier. But then you grabbed. It's easier. But then you spread the whole thing everywhere. spread the whole thing everywhere. spread the whole thing everywhere. >> Oh man, I saw in so many laboratories >> Oh man, I saw in so many laboratories >> Oh man, I saw in so many laboratories where the the boss, you know, brilliant where the the boss, you know, brilliant where the the boss, you know, brilliant scientist, I'm thinking of one in scientist, I'm thinking of one in scientist, I'm thinking of one in particular, and they would do this like particular, and they would do this like particular, and they would do this like what I would call trickle-down anxiety. what I would call trickle-down anxiety. what I would call trickle-down anxiety. They'd be stressing, they'd walk through They'd be stressing, they'd walk through They'd be stressing, they'd walk through the lab stressing out. Graduate school the lab stressing out. Graduate school the lab stressing out. Graduate school is already hard, especially in the if I is already hard, especially in the if I is already hard, especially in the if I may, in the sciences. may, in the sciences. may, in the sciences. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Very very hard. Very competitive. >> Very very hard. Very competitive. >> Very very hard. Very competitive. Postdoc is even more uncertain. Like you Postdoc is even more uncertain. Like you Postdoc is even more uncertain. Like you don't you don't get a degree at the end. don't you don't get a degree at the end. don't you don't get a degree at the end. You're investing 5 years of your life. You're investing 5 years of your life. You're investing 5 years of your life. You know, and for to walk around, the You know, and for to walk around, the You know, and for to walk around, the boss walking around like making people boss walking around like making people boss walking around like making people anxious. anxious. anxious. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Terrible. The other thing that was >> Terrible. The other thing that was >> Terrible. The other thing that was terrible was walking around making terrible was walking around making terrible was walking around making people feel overly confident. People people feel overly confident. People people feel overly confident. People would do that, too. So, everything would do that, too. So, everything would do that, too. So, everything you're saying, it's like you could see you're saying, it's like you could see you're saying, it's like you could see it in these very hierarchical human it in these very hierarchical human it in these very hierarchical human relationships. relationships. relationships. >> But I think with dogs we we're so what I >> But I think with dogs we we're so what I >> But I think with dogs we we're so what I I'm just going to say it. I feel like we I'm just going to say it. I feel like we I'm just going to say it. I feel like we are so selfish are so selfish are so selfish >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> as a species. Like that these animals >> as a species. Like that these animals >> as a species. Like that these animals are here for us and just for us. To give are here for us and just for us. To give are here for us and just for us. To give me love when I get home, to console me me love when I get home, to console me me love when I get home, to console me when I'm sad, to give me all the things when I'm sad, to give me all the things when I'm sad, to give me all the things I want. I want. I want. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That I would be blind to the the basic >> That I would be blind to the the basic >> That I would be blind to the the basic needs of that animal. It's It's really needs of that animal. It's It's really needs of that animal. It's It's really is. It's as selfish, in my opinion, as is. It's as selfish, in my opinion, as is. It's as selfish, in my opinion, as saying, "Oh, these are saying, "Oh, these are saying, "Oh, these are animals that we work on, that just serve animals that we work on, that just serve animals that we work on, that just serve our purposes to advance our careers or our purposes to advance our careers or our purposes to advance our careers or scientific understanding." And again, scientific understanding." And again, scientific understanding." And again, there's there's for that, but we have to there's there's for that, but we have to there's there's for that, but we have to be incredibly nuanced about where that's be incredibly nuanced about where that's be incredibly nuanced about where that's appropriate and where it's appropriate and where it's appropriate and where it's inappropriate. inappropriate. inappropriate. >> It's just a selfishness. >> It's just a selfishness. >> It's just a selfishness. >> The selfish part and the unselfish part. >> The selfish part and the unselfish part. >> The selfish part and the unselfish part. So, what I'm saying is don't forget, you So, what I'm saying is don't forget, you So, what I'm saying is don't forget, you know, to be at service before somebody's know, to be at service before somebody's know, to be at service before somebody's at service to you. at service to you. at service to you. Right? So, the [clears throat] spirit Right? So, the [clears throat] spirit Right? So, the [clears throat] spirit instinct it love to be at service. And instinct it love to be at service. And instinct it love to be at service. And then the the the love and and the mind then the the the love and and the mind then the the the love and and the mind loves to be served. loves to be served. loves to be served. So, this is your selfish part of it and So, this is your selfish part of it and So, this is your selfish part of it and this is your unselfish part of it. this is your unselfish part of it. this is your unselfish part of it. You see it? So, you're here to serve God You see it? So, you're here to serve God You see it? So, you're here to serve God and you're here to serve Earth. All and you're here to serve Earth. All and you're here to serve Earth. All right? So, you don't forget that. right? So, you don't forget that. right? So, you don't forget that. Right? To be at service. Right? To be at service. Right? To be at service. Cuz they skip it. So, once you once you Cuz they skip it. So, once you once you Cuz they skip it. So, once you once you go directly to the heart and the mind, go directly to the heart and the mind, go directly to the heart and the mind, this is what I want. I want my dog to this is what I want. I want my dog to this is what I want. I want my dog to love me ra-da-da. Okay, fine. You just love me ra-da-da. Okay, fine. You just love me ra-da-da. Okay, fine. You just skipped spirit and instinct. skipped spirit and instinct. skipped spirit and instinct. Right? Cuz the spirit will never bring Right? Cuz the spirit will never bring Right? Cuz the spirit will never bring bad energy to the heart. bad energy to the heart. bad energy to the heart. And ins- instinct will never bring bad And ins- instinct will never bring bad And ins- instinct will never bring bad energy to the mind. energy to the mind. energy to the mind. You see? You see? You see? So, I So, if you remember that you are So, I So, if you remember that you are So, I So, if you remember that you are four things and and this is what you four things and and this is what you four things and and this is what you want to give to your dog, to yourself, want to give to your dog, to yourself, want to give to your dog, to yourself, to your house, to your family, and then to your house, to your family, and then to your house, to your family, and then you're going to be focusing on on making you're going to be focusing on on making you're going to be focusing on on making sure that sure that sure that you snap out of it whatever like you do you snap out of it whatever like you do you snap out of it whatever like you do hug yourself to snap out of it, right? hug yourself to snap out of it, right? hug yourself to snap out of it, right? >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> And then and then you go bring, you >> And then and then you go bring, you >> And then and then you go bring, you know, patience, calmness, confidence, know, patience, calmness, confidence, know, patience, calmness, confidence, love. Then you go hug the dog. love. Then you go hug the dog. love. Then you go hug the dog. So, you also have to learn to snap So, you also have to learn to snap So, you also have to learn to snap yourself out of it from whatever energy yourself out of it from whatever energy yourself out of it from whatever energy you went and attracted. It's like you went and attracted. It's like you went and attracted. It's like stepping on poop. You got to remove your stepping on poop. You got to remove your stepping on poop. You got to remove your your shoe before you walk into the your shoe before you walk into the your shoe before you walk into the house. Otherwise, you bring that scent. house. Otherwise, you bring that scent. house. Otherwise, you bring that scent. So, energy is the same way. It's like So, energy is the same way. It's like So, energy is the same way. It's like poop on your feet. poop on your feet. poop on your feet. Bad energy is the same. You're going to Bad energy is the same. You're going to Bad energy is the same. You're going to spread all over the house. Your plants spread all over the house. Your plants spread all over the house. Your plants are going to die. You know, your dogs are going to die. You know, your dogs are going to die. You know, your dogs are going to be like, "Okay, this energy are going to be like, "Okay, this energy are going to be like, "Okay, this energy is is not good, so we is is not good, so we is is not good, so we Right? And then your family will will Right? And then your family will will Right? And then your family will will get it. get it. get it. So, you you enter in you're going to So, you you enter in you're going to So, you you enter in you're going to enter into this dark energy. enter into this dark energy. enter into this dark energy. >> These days on social media, there's so >> These days on social media, there's so >> These days on social media, there's so much much much I'm realizing about the low-level I'm realizing about the low-level I'm realizing about the low-level um um um stuff. Like, you should never hug a dog. stuff. Like, you should never hug a dog. stuff. Like, you should never hug a dog. You should hug a dog. You should never You should hug a dog. You should never You should hug a dog. You should never pick up your dog off the ground. It's pick up your dog off the ground. It's pick up your dog off the ground. It's okay to pick up Your dog should never be okay to pick up Your dog should never be okay to pick up Your dog should never be in your bed. Your dog should be in your in your bed. Your dog should be in your in your bed. Your dog should be in your bed. You see all these contradictions? bed. You see all these contradictions? bed. You see all these contradictions? You see the same thing in the health You see the same thing in the health You see the same thing in the health space. Like, you should cold plunge. You space. Like, you should cold plunge. You space. Like, you should cold plunge. You shouldn't cold plunge. You should sauna. shouldn't cold plunge. You should sauna. shouldn't cold plunge. You should sauna. You should like it it and it comes down You should like it it and it comes down You should like it it and it comes down to a basic fact, which is that it's not to a basic fact, which is that it's not to a basic fact, which is that it's not about the practice, it's the it's the about the practice, it's the it's the about the practice, it's the it's the principle behind it, the spirit behind principle behind it, the spirit behind principle behind it, the spirit behind it, the energy behind it. So, I was it, the energy behind it. So, I was it, the energy behind it. So, I was tempted to ask you like, is it bad to tempted to ask you like, is it bad to tempted to ask you like, is it bad to pick up with the dog? Actually, Strummer pick up with the dog? Actually, Strummer pick up with the dog? Actually, Strummer loves being held. Costello hated it. loves being held. Costello hated it. loves being held. Costello hated it. Strummer he's hap- he's basically Strummer he's hap- he's basically Strummer he's hap- he's basically happiest just being carried around. But, happiest just being carried around. But, happiest just being carried around. But, I know you don't I don't carry around I know you don't I don't carry around I know you don't I don't carry around too much. But, it's fine. He just too much. But, it's fine. He just too much. But, it's fine. He just drapes. He's so happy that way. He He drapes. He's so happy that way. He He drapes. He's so happy that way. He He wishes he could go through the world wishes he could go through the world wishes he could go through the world that way, frankly. that way, frankly. that way, frankly. It's not about carry or don't carry. It's not about carry or don't carry. It's not about carry or don't carry. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> It's about what is your energy, why are >> It's about what is your energy, why are >> It's about what is your energy, why are you doing this? Is it for you? Is it for you doing this? Is it for you? Is it for you doing this? Is it for you? Is it for them? What's Okay. them? What's Okay. them? What's Okay. >> And if the dog feels, because you know, >> And if the dog feels, because you know, >> And if the dog feels, because you know, you can ask a groomer or a vet, they you can ask a groomer or a vet, they you can ask a groomer or a vet, they have to carry that dog. But, they can't have to carry that dog. But, they can't have to carry that dog. But, they can't carry a fight-flight avoidance. carry a fight-flight avoidance. carry a fight-flight avoidance. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> They can only carry a happy-go-lucky one >> They can only carry a happy-go-lucky one >> They can only carry a happy-go-lucky one or a calm-surrender one. or a calm-surrender one. or a calm-surrender one. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Those are So, it's nothing wrong hugging >> Those are So, it's nothing wrong hugging >> Those are So, it's nothing wrong hugging a dog. It's nothing wrong putting a dog a dog. It's nothing wrong putting a dog a dog. It's nothing wrong putting a dog on the bed. It's nothing wrong It's It's on the bed. It's nothing wrong It's It's on the bed. It's nothing wrong It's It's what state of mind the dog was in when what state of mind the dog was in when what state of mind the dog was in when you did this is more important. you did this is more important. you did this is more important. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? Because what about if a dog is in >> Right? Because what about if a dog is in >> Right? Because what about if a dog is in a is in a flight state and you want to a is in a flight state and you want to a is in a flight state and you want to carry him? carry him? carry him? He's going to feel trapped. And then the He's going to feel trapped. And then the He's going to feel trapped. And then the dog is going to bite or is going to pee dog is going to bite or is going to pee dog is going to bite or is going to pee or is going to scream. or is going to scream. or is going to scream. Right? So, you could have prevent that Right? So, you could have prevent that Right? So, you could have prevent that just by not focusing on what you wanted just by not focusing on what you wanted just by not focusing on what you wanted to do. Is Is the dog that you want to do to do. Is Is the dog that you want to do to do. Is Is the dog that you want to do that in a calm-surrender state? that in a calm-surrender state? that in a calm-surrender state? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? Can the dogs stay on the bed? >> Right? Can the dogs stay on the bed? >> Right? Can the dogs stay on the bed? There's nothing wrong, you know, sharing There's nothing wrong, you know, sharing There's nothing wrong, you know, sharing your house with the dog. It's Think your house with the dog. It's Think your house with the dog. It's Think about invading versus inviting. about invading versus inviting. about invading versus inviting. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Okay? So, when the dog goes on his own, >> Okay? So, when the dog goes on his own, >> Okay? So, when the dog goes on his own, >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> he's inva- invading. >> he's inva- invading. >> he's inva- invading. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> When [clears throat] the dog is waiting >> When [clears throat] the dog is waiting >> When [clears throat] the dog is waiting and you tell him to come over and you and you tell him to come over and you and you tell him to come over and you tell him where to go. That's being tell him where to go. That's being tell him where to go. That's being invited. So, that mind is going to invited. So, that mind is going to invited. So, that mind is going to become surrender. The other one is going become surrender. The other one is going become surrender. The other one is going to get territorial. to get territorial. to get territorial. You know how many times I have You know how many times I have You know how many times I have rehabilitated dogs who claim people's rehabilitated dogs who claim people's rehabilitated dogs who claim people's bed? bed? bed? Where the husband can't come near the Where the husband can't come near the Where the husband can't come near the bed because the wife and the dog were bed because the wife and the dog were bed because the wife and the dog were already there. already there. already there. I I done a rehabilitation where the I I done a rehabilitation where the I I done a rehabilitation where the husband sleep in the living room for 3 husband sleep in the living room for 3 husband sleep in the living room for 3 years because she wanted the dogs to years because she wanted the dogs to years because she wanted the dogs to stay on the bed. And when every time stay on the bed. And when every time stay on the bed. And when every time they the guy came into the into the they the guy came into the into the they the guy came into the into the bedroom bedroom bedroom uh the dogs will after him. uh the dogs will after him. uh the dogs will after him. >> I'm sure everyone is thinking, "What did >> I'm sure everyone is thinking, "What did >> I'm sure everyone is thinking, "What did he do wrong?" This is You know, we're he do wrong?" This is You know, we're he do wrong?" This is You know, we're living in this time now where there's living in this time now where there's living in this time now where there's this projection of like, "Well, he must this projection of like, "Well, he must this projection of like, "Well, he must have done something wrong." I don't I have done something wrong." I don't I have done something wrong." I don't I can also imagine the situation you just can also imagine the situation you just can also imagine the situation you just described where no one did anything described where no one did anything described where no one did anything wrong except give the dog too much wrong except give the dog too much wrong except give the dog too much power. power. power. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> That there's actually Let's assume >> That there's actually Let's assume >> That there's actually Let's assume there's no problem between the couple. there's no problem between the couple. there's no problem between the couple. She would like the husband in the bed. She would like the husband in the bed. She would like the husband in the bed. Perhaps. But the But the dog is somehow Perhaps. But the But the dog is somehow Perhaps. But the But the dog is somehow picking up on something. picking up on something. picking up on something. >> Yeah, no no, she said it clearly to me, >> Yeah, no no, she said it clearly to me, >> Yeah, no no, she said it clearly to me, "I just don't want him on the bed." "I just don't want him on the bed." "I just don't want him on the bed." >> The husband? >> The husband? >> The husband? >> Uh-huh. >> Uh-huh. >> Uh-huh. >> Okay. So, there the dog is basically >> Okay. So, there the dog is basically >> Okay. So, there the dog is basically taking advantage of the owner's spot. taking advantage of the owner's spot. taking advantage of the owner's spot. >> listen, let's say you guys want to spend >> listen, let's say you guys want to spend >> listen, let's say you guys want to spend 20 minutes on the bed. Let me show you 20 minutes on the bed. Let me show you 20 minutes on the bed. Let me show you how to do it." how to do it." how to do it." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And so, that's what I I taught I taught >> And so, that's what I I taught I taught >> And so, that's what I I taught I taught the dogs just to wait. the dogs just to wait. the dogs just to wait. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Right? But she needed to make sure that >> Right? But she needed to make sure that >> Right? But she needed to make sure that uh she agrees with the agreement, uh she agrees with the agreement, uh she agrees with the agreement, commitment, follow through, right? commitment, follow through, right? commitment, follow through, right? Nothing can happen without agreement. Nothing can happen without agreement. Nothing can happen without agreement. So, she needs to be in 100% agreement, So, she needs to be in 100% agreement, So, she needs to be in 100% agreement, otherwise the dog will not do it. otherwise the dog will not do it. otherwise the dog will not do it. >> They really can sense >> They really can sense >> They really can sense >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> any kind of small fraction of energy. >> any kind of small fraction of energy. >> any kind of small fraction of energy. >> goes down, they're going to take over. >> goes down, they're going to take over. >> goes down, they're going to take over. Your energy goes up, they're going to Your energy goes up, they're going to Your energy goes up, they're going to move away. move away. move away. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? Your energy have to be bigger for >> Right? Your energy have to be bigger for >> Right? Your energy have to be bigger for you to create a follow. you to create a follow. you to create a follow. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> If your energy [clears throat] goes >> If your energy [clears throat] goes >> If your energy [clears throat] goes down, you follow them. down, you follow them. down, you follow them. Simple as that. Simple as that. Simple as that. Simple as that. You just You just have Simple as that. You just You just have Simple as that. You just You just have to remember energy. Right? And then if to remember energy. Right? And then if to remember energy. Right? And then if you want to lead, this is the end you want to lead, this is the end you want to lead, this is the end animals. You can lead humans lying to animals. You can lead humans lying to animals. You can lead humans lying to them all day long. But with animals you them all day long. But with animals you them all day long. But with animals you can't. You have to bring the perfect can't. You have to bring the perfect can't. You have to bring the perfect energy, the right energy, energy, the right energy, energy, the right energy, an energy that belongs to all of us, an energy that belongs to all of us, an energy that belongs to all of us, right? Your patient energy, your calm right? Your patient energy, your calm right? Your patient energy, your calm energy, your confident energy, your love energy, your confident energy, your love energy, your confident energy, your love energy. We all have that inside of us, energy. We all have that inside of us, energy. We all have that inside of us, right? God gave us all the same thing. right? God gave us all the same thing. right? God gave us all the same thing. That's up to you That's up to you That's up to you but do you go from the back of the pack but do you go from the back of the pack but do you go from the back of the pack to the front of the pack? That's up to to the front of the pack? That's up to to the front of the pack? That's up to you, you, you, right? But you have patience, calmness, right? But you have patience, calmness, right? But you have patience, calmness, confidence, love, joy cuz that's how you confidence, love, joy cuz that's how you confidence, love, joy cuz that's how you going to deal with life. going to deal with life. going to deal with life. Right? So with animals it's a perfect Right? So with animals it's a perfect Right? So with animals it's a perfect way to maintain this, you know, within way to maintain this, you know, within way to maintain this, you know, within yourself. Mhm. Right? [clears throat] yourself. Mhm. Right? [clears throat] yourself. Mhm. Right? [clears throat] It's like a gym, going to the gym It's like a gym, going to the gym It's like a gym, going to the gym everyday, right? But it's just the gym everyday, right? But it's just the gym everyday, right? But it's just the gym is mother nature, the beach, you know, is mother nature, the beach, you know, is mother nature, the beach, you know, the streets, whatever. You just walking the streets, whatever. You just walking the streets, whatever. You just walking around with dogs in a natural simple around with dogs in a natural simple around with dogs in a natural simple profound way. profound way. profound way. And that's it. Then you go to work. And that's it. Then you go to work. And that's it. Then you go to work. So imagine if people develop this So imagine if people develop this So imagine if people develop this beautiful habit. Okay, I'm going to do beautiful habit. Okay, I'm going to do beautiful habit. Okay, I'm going to do what Caesar says, you know, silence, what Caesar says, you know, silence, what Caesar says, you know, silence, calmness, confidence, love, joy for 30, calmness, confidence, love, joy for 30, calmness, confidence, love, joy for 30, 40 minutes and then 40 minutes and then 40 minutes and then I'm going to feel the silence, the I'm going to feel the silence, the I'm going to feel the silence, the calmness. Then I go to work. calmness. Then I go to work. calmness. Then I go to work. Right? And when I come back no touching, Right? And when I come back no touching, Right? And when I come back no touching, no talking, no eye contacts and then my no talking, no eye contacts and then my no talking, no eye contacts and then my dog back in her and then I can do the dog back in her and then I can do the dog back in her and then I can do the greeting. greeting. greeting. Then I go out for another walk, Then I go out for another walk, Then I go out for another walk, right? And then you can do the play and right? And then you can do the play and right? And then you can do the play and explore. explore. explore. No bad behavior would happen in your No bad behavior would happen in your No bad behavior would happen in your house house house with that simple formula. with that simple formula. with that simple formula. I love it. I I hope that people start to I love it. I I hope that people start to I love it. I I hope that people start to think about their dog and getting a dog think about their dog and getting a dog think about their dog and getting a dog as more of a as more of a as more of a gym gym gym as opposed to as opposed to as opposed to I'm going to we're going to get a fur I'm going to we're going to get a fur I'm going to we're going to get a fur baby. I have a friend I have to be very baby. I have a friend I have to be very baby. I have a friend I have to be very careful here. careful here. careful here. This is truly not about my household but This is truly not about my household but This is truly not about my household but I have a friend she's married they're I have a friend she's married they're I have a friend she's married they're going through some struggles. They have going through some struggles. They have going through some struggles. They have two kids and she told me the other day two kids and she told me the other day two kids and she told me the other day they never had a dog. She's going to get they never had a dog. She's going to get they never had a dog. She's going to get two two two husky puppies and I said husky puppies and I said husky puppies and I said do me a favor, do me a favor, do me a favor, just get one. Yeah. In six months if you just get one. Yeah. In six months if you just get one. Yeah. In six months if you but they want each other this and that but they want each other this and that but they want each other this and that and the the kids are young there's no and the the kids are young there's no and the the kids are young there's no way and I I'm and I know the struggles way and I I'm and I know the struggles way and I I'm and I know the struggles that they're having and it's a they're that they're having and it's a they're that they're having and it's a they're they're both overworked, they're they're both overworked, they're they're both overworked, they're under-resourced. So, this is under-resourced. So, this is under-resourced. So, this is and they love each other very much, but and they love each other very much, but and they love each other very much, but this is like a really hard situation. this is like a really hard situation. this is like a really hard situation. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And I'm thinking to myself, >> And I'm thinking to myself, >> And I'm thinking to myself, I want to be supportive. And I said, I want to be supportive. And I said, I want to be supportive. And I said, "Do not get a puppy now. And if you do, "Do not get a puppy now. And if you do, "Do not get a puppy now. And if you do, do not get two puppies. This is like do not get two puppies. This is like do not get two puppies. This is like insanity. Like you you like you want to insanity. Like you you like you want to insanity. Like you you like you want to like it could break your family." Or and like it could break your family." Or and like it could break your family." Or and she said, "Well, I promised the kids I she said, "Well, I promised the kids I she said, "Well, I promised the kids I >> your heart because you have to get rid >> your heart because you have to get rid >> your heart because you have to get rid of the dogs. of the dogs. of the dogs. >> So, this she said, "My It was a story. >> So, this she said, "My It was a story. >> So, this she said, "My It was a story. It's very interesting. She said in when It's very interesting. She said in when It's very interesting. She said in when I was growing up my parents would make I was growing up my parents would make I was growing up my parents would make these promises and they wouldn't do it these promises and they wouldn't do it these promises and they wouldn't do it and I told and it broke my heart and I and I told and it broke my heart and I and I told and it broke my heart and I told my kids they could each get one." told my kids they could each get one." told my kids they could each get one." And I said, I said, "Well, you have no And I said, I said, "Well, you have no And I said, I said, "Well, you have no idea the kind of heartbreak they're idea the kind of heartbreak they're idea the kind of heartbreak they're going to experience when you have to going to experience when you have to going to experience when you have to give them both back because one is give them both back because one is give them both back because one is biting the kid or one is you know, like biting the kid or one is you know, like biting the kid or one is you know, like and she's like, "Oh, I wouldn't want and she's like, "Oh, I wouldn't want and she's like, "Oh, I wouldn't want that." And I was thinking to myself, that." And I was thinking to myself, that." And I was thinking to myself, "And you're already under-resourced." "And you're already under-resourced." "And you're already under-resourced." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I share this because I'm realizing >> I share this because I'm realizing >> I share this because I'm realizing throughout today's conversation our throughout today's conversation our throughout today's conversation our concept of dogs and what they owe us concept of dogs and what they owe us concept of dogs and what they owe us is completely backwards. She's a very is completely backwards. She's a very is completely backwards. She's a very good person. good person. good person. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I won't state her profession for states >> I won't state her profession for states >> I won't state her profession for states of but she's in a of but she's in a of but she's in a a a a a a a profession of profession of profession of intense service all day long. And has intense service all day long. And has intense service all day long. And has I've known her for more than two I've known her for more than two I've known her for more than two decades. But the concept is these decades. But the concept is these decades. But the concept is these puppies are going to come here and puppies are going to come here and puppies are going to come here and rescue us. rescue us. rescue us. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> This is like fulfill >> This is like fulfill >> This is like fulfill >> fulfill >> fulfill >> fulfill >> the dream that I had. Yeah, right? Uh >> the dream that I had. Yeah, right? Uh >> the dream that I had. Yeah, right? Uh with prior to you know, with my parents. with prior to you know, with my parents. with prior to you know, with my parents. >> More love. Just more love can't be bad. >> More love. Just more love can't be bad. >> More love. Just more love can't be bad. More love can't be bad. More love can't be bad. More love can't be bad. >> Yeah. And they're huskies, right? So, >> Yeah. And they're huskies, right? So, >> Yeah. And they're huskies, right? So, this is a breed that love to migrate this is a breed that love to migrate this is a breed that love to migrate longer than any other breed in the longer than any other breed in the longer than any other breed in the world. world. world. Right? So, walking is one thing. Right? So, walking is one thing. Right? So, walking is one thing. Migration is another. Migration is another. Migration is another. This is why I got a bulldog. This is why I got a bulldog. This is why I got a bulldog. >> You see it? >> You see it? >> You see it? >> That's why I got a bulldog. Bulldog >> That's why I got a bulldog. Bulldog >> That's why I got a bulldog. Bulldog breed. I actually didn't get a purebred breed. I actually didn't get a purebred breed. I actually didn't get a purebred bulldog bulldog bulldog because I they have issues. because I they have issues. because I they have issues. >> have issues. >> have issues. >> have issues. >> But yeah, a dog that needs to migrate, >> But yeah, a dog that needs to migrate, >> But yeah, a dog that needs to migrate, how much walking do they need per day how much walking do they need per day how much walking do they need per day ideally? ideally? ideally? >> especially a pack. So, the bigger the >> especially a pack. So, the bigger the >> especially a pack. So, the bigger the pack, the longer the walk. pack, the longer the walk. pack, the longer the walk. >> I know. They they both work such crazy >> I know. They they both work such crazy >> I know. They they both work such crazy hours. hours. hours. >> let her know, "Hey, begin with a >> let her know, "Hey, begin with a >> let her know, "Hey, begin with a fostering. So, that way they get get fostering. So, that way they get get fostering. So, that way they get get know themselves as a family. Is know themselves as a family. Is know themselves as a family. Is everybody in agreement? Does everybody everybody in agreement? Does everybody everybody in agreement? Does everybody understand what the rules, boundaries, understand what the rules, boundaries, understand what the rules, boundaries, and limitations are? Does everybody and limitations are? Does everybody and limitations are? Does everybody understand what the responsibilities understand what the responsibilities understand what the responsibilities are? Can Can we all see our good habits are? Can Can we all see our good habits are? Can Can we all see our good habits and our bad habits? and our bad habits? and our bad habits? You know, do we all follow through? So, You know, do we all follow through? So, You know, do we all follow through? So, with a foster dog, if you're not with a foster dog, if you're not with a foster dog, if you're not adopting and you're just temporarily adopting and you're just temporarily adopting and you're just temporarily keeping him in the house, so the dog keeping him in the house, so the dog keeping him in the house, so the dog gets, you know, a a home and and a gets, you know, a a home and and a gets, you know, a a home and and a family. It doesn't necessarily have to family. It doesn't necessarily have to family. It doesn't necessarily have to stay in the house, but the human gets to stay in the house, but the human gets to stay in the house, but the human gets to learn about themselves before they enter learn about themselves before they enter learn about themselves before they enter into the purchase or the adoption. into the purchase or the adoption. into the purchase or the adoption. Right? So, to have two puppies a Right? So, to have two puppies a Right? So, to have two puppies a huskies, you got to have to purchase huskies, you got to have to purchase huskies, you got to have to purchase them. Right? And so, she's going to go them. Right? And so, she's going to go them. Right? And so, she's going to go into make a purchase and then eventually into make a purchase and then eventually into make a purchase and then eventually she realized, we were not ready she realized, we were not ready she realized, we were not ready as a family. as a family. as a family. In my mind, I was ready. In my mind, I was ready. In my mind, I was ready. But in the whole pack, we're not ready. But in the whole pack, we're not ready. But in the whole pack, we're not ready. Right? And And the puppyhood is That's Right? And And the puppyhood is That's Right? And And the puppyhood is That's from birth to 8 months. from birth to 8 months. from birth to 8 months. So, in a matter of 6 months, you have a So, in a matter of 6 months, you have a So, in a matter of 6 months, you have a dog that is this big who's an adult now. dog that is this big who's an adult now. dog that is this big who's an adult now. Right? Now, you got to think about spay Right? Now, you got to think about spay Right? Now, you got to think about spay neuter. Cuz if you don't, then you deal neuter. Cuz if you don't, then you deal neuter. Cuz if you don't, then you deal with the the with the the with the the you know, the hormones and then they can you know, the hormones and then they can you know, the hormones and then they can start fighting with each other. start fighting with each other. start fighting with each other. >> What's your take on spay neuter? >> What's your take on spay neuter? >> What's your take on spay neuter? >> Well, in America it's necessary in >> Well, in America it's necessary in >> Well, in America it's necessary in because dogs are not going to mate and because dogs are not going to mate and because dogs are not going to mate and so so so uh and they spend a lot of time indoor. uh and they spend a lot of time indoor. uh and they spend a lot of time indoor. >> So, I neutered Costello. >> So, I neutered Costello. >> So, I neutered Costello. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh I >> Uh I >> Uh I put him on testosterone therapy his put him on testosterone therapy his put him on testosterone therapy his final 2 years. final 2 years. final 2 years. Um vets that I knew said, we would love Um vets that I knew said, we would love Um vets that I knew said, we would love to be able to do that more, but there to be able to do that more, but there to be able to do that more, but there are reasons we don't. With uh Strummer, are reasons we don't. With uh Strummer, are reasons we don't. With uh Strummer, I thought I thought I thought keep him intact. keep him intact. keep him intact. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Then people say, oh, but then they're >> Then people say, oh, but then they're >> Then people say, oh, but then they're going to mate with all the dogs in the going to mate with all the dogs in the going to mate with all the dogs in the neighborhood. You can also give a dog a neighborhood. You can also give a dog a neighborhood. You can also give a dog a vasectomy. It's very easy procedure. vasectomy. It's very easy procedure. vasectomy. It's very easy procedure. It's funny we don't do that. I learned It's funny we don't do that. I learned It's funny we don't do that. I learned that in Australia that in Australia that in Australia it's illegal to not neuter your dog. In it's illegal to not neuter your dog. In it's illegal to not neuter your dog. In Scandinavia, it's illegal to neuter your Scandinavia, it's illegal to neuter your Scandinavia, it's illegal to neuter your dog. dog. dog. >> right. >> right. >> right. >> What in the world is best? >> What in the world is best? >> What in the world is best? >> Well, it depends on the on the on the >> Well, it depends on the on the on the >> Well, it depends on the on the on the place, right? Because in America, place, right? Because in America, place, right? Because in America, without a doubt, since the dogs don't go without a doubt, since the dogs don't go without a doubt, since the dogs don't go out as often, they they rely on the out as often, they they rely on the out as often, they they rely on the human. Dogs in other countries, they're human. Dogs in other countries, they're human. Dogs in other countries, they're not neutered, but they're not looking not neutered, but they're not looking not neutered, but they're not looking for trouble. They're not, you know, for trouble. They're not, you know, for trouble. They're not, you know, they're they may when the female gets in they're they may when the female gets in they're they may when the female gets in heat. Otherwise, they're busy looking heat. Otherwise, they're busy looking heat. Otherwise, they're busy looking for food and water. for food and water. for food and water. So, you know, as long as you use your So, you know, as long as you use your So, you know, as long as you use your energy for to for survival purposes, energy for to for survival purposes, energy for to for survival purposes, you're not going to develop frustration. you're not going to develop frustration. you're not going to develop frustration. So, so what happens, you know, when a So, so what happens, you know, when a So, so what happens, you know, when a dog is intact and they don't get to walk dog is intact and they don't get to walk dog is intact and they don't get to walk enough and they don't get to be enough and they don't get to be enough and they don't get to be challenged enough and then it all goes challenged enough and then it all goes challenged enough and then it all goes into the arouse and they're the whole into the arouse and they're the whole into the arouse and they're the whole day day day they're excited. And then people go, they're excited. And then people go, they're excited. And then people go, "Oh, baby." The thing comes out, right? "Oh, baby." The thing comes out, right? "Oh, baby." The thing comes out, right? And then and then the dog gets excited. And then and then the dog gets excited. And then and then the dog gets excited. How many I don't know if you've ever How many I don't know if you've ever How many I don't know if you've ever seen it, but I've seen it a lot. Dogs seen it, but I've seen it a lot. Dogs seen it, but I've seen it a lot. Dogs humping their owners or dogs humping humping their owners or dogs humping humping their owners or dogs humping furniture in the house. I mean, Costello furniture in the house. I mean, Costello furniture in the house. I mean, Costello tried to hump me once. tried to hump me once. tried to hump me once. Yeah. It never happened again. I I just Yeah. It never happened again. I I just Yeah. It never happened again. I I just made it I just made it very clear that made it I just made it very clear that made it I just made it very clear that was not okay and I used isolation. I was not okay and I used isolation. I was not okay and I used isolation. I just put him back in the thing. I left, just put him back in the thing. I left, just put him back in the thing. I left, came back. Yeah. I came back. Yeah. I came back. Yeah. I sent him the message mentally, sent him the message mentally, sent him the message mentally, energetically, that's never happening energetically, that's never happening energetically, that's never happening again. It was very stern. again. It was very stern. again. It was very stern. It has to be clear day one. So, that It has to be clear day one. So, that It has to be clear day one. So, that happens in day one, but a lot of times happens in day one, but a lot of times happens in day one, but a lot of times people go, people go, people go, "No, no, no." They "No, no, no." They "No, no, no." They they more celebrate that, right? they more celebrate that, right? they more celebrate that, right? And so, they end up in a celebration and And so, they end up in a celebration and And so, they end up in a celebration and and end up funny, but the dog end up and end up funny, but the dog end up and end up funny, but the dog end up becoming more and more aroused about the becoming more and more aroused about the becoming more and more aroused about the humans. So, now he's mounting, which as humans. So, now he's mounting, which as humans. So, now he's mounting, which as you know is is a sexual and is you know is is a sexual and is you know is is a sexual and is dominance, dominance, dominance, you know, behavior [clears throat] you know, behavior [clears throat] you know, behavior [clears throat] towards the human. So, towards the human. So, towards the human. So, in America, definitely a dog needs to be in America, definitely a dog needs to be in America, definitely a dog needs to be neutered more more often. Plus, we have neutered more more often. Plus, we have neutered more more often. Plus, we have an overpopulation. You know, millions of an overpopulation. You know, millions of an overpopulation. You know, millions of dogs die every year dogs die every year dogs die every year because there's an overpopulation because there's an overpopulation because there's an overpopulation problem and that's taxpayer money who problem and that's taxpayer money who problem and that's taxpayer money who pays for for the killing of dogs. So, pays for for the killing of dogs. So, pays for for the killing of dogs. So, it's important that we regulate it's important that we regulate it's important that we regulate Uh Uh Uh through This is the only way you can through This is the only way you can through This is the only way you can regulate that. regulate that. regulate that. >> I see these crazy things on Instagram. >> I see these crazy things on Instagram. >> I see these crazy things on Instagram. Someone says, "You When you pet your Someone says, "You When you pet your Someone says, "You When you pet your dog, it should be slow. No, when you pet dog, it should be slow. No, when you pet dog, it should be slow. No, when you pet your dog, you should rub." I'm guessing your dog, you should rub." I'm guessing your dog, you should rub." I'm guessing doesn't matter. It's the energy behind doesn't matter. It's the energy behind doesn't matter. It's the energy behind it. it. it. >> Yeah. I mean, you obviously don't want >> Yeah. I mean, you obviously don't want >> Yeah. I mean, you obviously don't want to push against the fur, but somebody to push against the fur, but somebody to push against the fur, but somebody was saying, you know, all the all people was saying, you know, all the all people was saying, you know, all the all people are like petting their dog too fast. are like petting their dog too fast. are like petting their dog too fast. They don't like that. Is this just They don't like that. Is this just They don't like that. Is this just people making stuff up? people making stuff up? people making stuff up? >> Look, if if a dog is doing agility and a >> Look, if if a dog is doing agility and a >> Look, if if a dog is doing agility and a dog is like excited cuz he's doing dog is like excited cuz he's doing dog is like excited cuz he's doing agility, pet him hard. Pet him fast agility, pet him hard. Pet him fast agility, pet him hard. Pet him fast cuz you want him like that. But if you cuz you want him like that. But if you cuz you want him like that. But if you want the dog to be in a restaurant, pet want the dog to be in a restaurant, pet want the dog to be in a restaurant, pet him soft. him soft. him soft. So, it's depending on what you want the So, it's depending on what you want the So, it's depending on what you want the mind to feel. mind to feel. mind to feel. You see what I mean? You don't want to You see what I mean? You don't want to You see what I mean? You don't want to pet fast in a restaurant, you know, and pet fast in a restaurant, you know, and pet fast in a restaurant, you know, and slow in agility. slow in agility. slow in agility. So, it's it's it's it's not the action. So, it's it's it's it's not the action. So, it's it's it's it's not the action. It's what are you petting? It's what are you petting? It's what are you petting? >> Makes total sense. Makes total sense. I >> Makes total sense. Makes total sense. I >> Makes total sense. Makes total sense. I mean, a soft stroking calm, you know, a mean, a soft stroking calm, you know, a mean, a soft stroking calm, you know, a calm dog. calm dog. calm dog. >> Restaurant means calm. >> Restaurant means calm. >> Restaurant means calm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Agility means cover it. >> Agility means cover it. >> Agility means cover it. >> Good job. Yeah. >> Good job. Yeah. >> Good job. Yeah. >> for it, right? >> for it, right? >> for it, right? It's like what FIFA is doing right now. It's like what FIFA is doing right now. It's like what FIFA is doing right now. All the Everybody's excited. Nobody's All the Everybody's excited. Nobody's All the Everybody's excited. Nobody's like [clears throat] like [clears throat] like [clears throat] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You see this? >> You see this? >> You see this? >> With um barking, uh >> With um barking, uh >> With um barking, uh I learned from your book like if Costel I learned from your book like if Costel I learned from your book like if Costel or when he was a puppy, he he could let or when he was a puppy, he he could let or when he was a puppy, he he could let it out. it out. it out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And >> And >> And the temptation is to say, "No." the temptation is to say, "No." the temptation is to say, "No." But why would you shout back to a dog But why would you shout back to a dog But why would you shout back to a dog that's vocalizing? So, that's vocalizing? So, that's vocalizing? So, I would just walk away. I would just walk away. I would just walk away. And then when he was quiet, I'd come And then when he was quiet, I'd come And then when he was quiet, I'd come back. back. back. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> And then pretty soon he realized nobody >> And then pretty soon he realized nobody >> And then pretty soon he realized nobody wants to be around a barking dog. wants to be around a barking dog. wants to be around a barking dog. And somehow he knew instinctually that And somehow he knew instinctually that And somehow he knew instinctually that if there was a threat or someone you if there was a threat or someone you if there was a threat or someone you know, he sensed a threat, a bark, he know, he sensed a threat, a bark, he know, he sensed a threat, a bark, he only would bark once. He had this only would bark once. He had this only would bark once. He had this I mean, he had this like I mean, man, I mean, he had this like I mean, man, I mean, he had this like I mean, man, his he was a beautiful specimen, I have his he was a beautiful specimen, I have his he was a beautiful specimen, I have to say. He was just so beautiful, but to say. He was just so beautiful, but to say. He was just so beautiful, but his barks were like a bass drum. his barks were like a bass drum. his barks were like a bass drum. Mhm. But it was one. Mhm. But it was one. Mhm. But it was one. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And then we just But he would never just >> And then we just But he would never just >> And then we just But he would never just sit there and bark. I think a lot of sit there and bark. I think a lot of sit there and bark. I think a lot of people their dog barks and they talk to people their dog barks and they talk to people their dog barks and they talk to their dog. So, presumably their dog. So, presumably their dog. So, presumably >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> the dog is barking because that's what >> the dog is barking because that's what >> the dog is barking because that's what gets them some sort of feedback gets them some sort of feedback gets them some sort of feedback attention. attention. attention. >> That's right. Or or the dog is also his >> That's right. Or or the dog is also his >> That's right. Or or the dog is also his only way to drain energy. only way to drain energy. only way to drain energy. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? Well, like when my dog >> Right? Well, like when my dog >> Right? Well, like when my dog obsessively bark, how often do you walk? obsessively bark, how often do you walk? obsessively bark, how often do you walk? Uh once a week, twice a week or Uh once a week, twice a week or Uh once a week, twice a week or whatever. So, so the barking becomes a whatever. So, so the barking becomes a whatever. So, so the barking becomes a way of draining energy. way of draining energy. way of draining energy. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Or like destroying your house, you know, >> Or like destroying your house, you know, >> Or like destroying your house, you know, a destructive behavior. Why would a dog a destructive behavior. Why would a dog a destructive behavior. Why would a dog destroy where he sleep? Well, because he destroy where he sleep? Well, because he destroy where he sleep? Well, because he doesn't do much with his body and his doesn't do much with his body and his doesn't do much with his body and his mind. So, he has to drain that energy mind. So, he has to drain that energy mind. So, he has to drain that energy and that's what we call destructive and that's what we call destructive and that's what we call destructive behavior. But, people don't understand behavior. But, people don't understand behavior. But, people don't understand that we are not we're in a way that we are not we're in a way that we are not we're in a way practicing destructive behavior by not practicing destructive behavior by not practicing destructive behavior by not doing what we supposed to be doing, doing what we supposed to be doing, doing what we supposed to be doing, which is walking the dog every single which is walking the dog every single which is walking the dog every single day. At the moment they wake up in the day. At the moment they wake up in the day. At the moment they wake up in the morning, they stretch and the second morning, they stretch and the second morning, they stretch and the second thing they want to do is walk. thing they want to do is walk. thing they want to do is walk. >> Should you wait for your dog to get up? >> Should you wait for your dog to get up? >> Should you wait for your dog to get up? What if you have to go to work? Should What if you have to go to work? Should What if you have to go to work? Should you force your dog to wake up and walk? you force your dog to wake up and walk? you force your dog to wake up and walk? >> I have certainly would. They're They're >> I have certainly would. They're They're >> I have certainly would. They're They're daytime animals. So, the biology is daytime animals. So, the biology is daytime animals. So, the biology is definitely as soon as the sun comes up, definitely as soon as the sun comes up, definitely as soon as the sun comes up, they they should go, you know, they they they should go, you know, they they they should go, you know, they [clears throat] should go. [clears throat] should go. [clears throat] should go. >> This is what we do with Strummer, even >> This is what we do with Strummer, even >> This is what we do with Strummer, even though bulldog I mean they'll sleep till though bulldog I mean they'll sleep till though bulldog I mean they'll sleep till 10:00 a.m., but um we we have to work. 10:00 a.m., but um we we have to work. 10:00 a.m., but um we we have to work. So, we we take him out. So, we we take him out. So, we we take him out. >> Take care of it. It's easier. It's >> Take care of it. It's easier. It's >> Take care of it. It's easier. It's actually better, right? Cuz he's like, actually better, right? Cuz he's like, actually better, right? Cuz he's like, "Oh, I got to" but then you drain the "Oh, I got to" but then you drain the "Oh, I got to" but then you drain the energy quicker. energy quicker. energy quicker. Yeah, it's it's way better cuz you want Yeah, it's it's way better cuz you want Yeah, it's it's way better cuz you want them to stay waiting for you in a them to stay waiting for you in a them to stay waiting for you in a resting state. So, it's five body resting state. So, it's five body resting state. So, it's five body motions the animals do. They stretch as motions the animals do. They stretch as motions the animals do. They stretch as soon as they wake up, right? Walk, run, soon as they wake up, right? Walk, run, soon as they wake up, right? Walk, run, rest, sleep. So, a lot of times when you rest, sleep. So, a lot of times when you rest, sleep. So, a lot of times when you don't walk the dog or run the dog and don't walk the dog or run the dog and don't walk the dog or run the dog and you want the dog to wait for you, he you want the dog to wait for you, he you want the dog to wait for you, he can't go into a resting state. can't go into a resting state. can't go into a resting state. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You see it? So, it's very important that >> You see it? So, it's very important that >> You see it? So, it's very important that we follow the five body motions cuz we follow the five body motions cuz we follow the five body motions cuz every single animal as soon as they wake every single animal as soon as they wake every single animal as soon as they wake up, they stretch. up, they stretch. up, they stretch. The bird flies, The bird flies, The bird flies, >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> right? And the the dog walks and and and >> right? And the the dog walks and and and >> right? And the the dog walks and and and the rest of the animals the water the rest of the animals the water the rest of the animals the water animals they swim, right? So, there is a animals they swim, right? So, there is a animals they swim, right? So, there is a um um um a a formula that they have. So, we want a a formula that they have. So, we want a a formula that they have. So, we want them to wait for us, we have to leave them to wait for us, we have to leave them to wait for us, we have to leave them in a resting state. them in a resting state. them in a resting state. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And they just [clears throat] that's the >> And they just [clears throat] that's the >> And they just [clears throat] that's the meaning of waiting state. That's it. meaning of waiting state. That's it. meaning of waiting state. That's it. But but they can't wait or rest if the But but they can't wait or rest if the But but they can't wait or rest if the body and the mind has not been drained. body and the mind has not been drained. body and the mind has not been drained. And I another another reason why the And I another another reason why the And I another another reason why the walk is so important. walk is so important. walk is so important. Cuz the walk Cuz the walk Cuz the walk is the only activity from play and is the only activity from play and is the only activity from play and explore that gives them calm surrender. explore that gives them calm surrender. explore that gives them calm surrender. Play and explore gives them an excited Play and explore gives them an excited Play and explore gives them an excited energy. energy. energy. >> Do you recommend walking them on the >> Do you recommend walking them on the >> Do you recommend walking them on the same path, novel path, um giving them same path, novel path, um giving them same path, novel path, um giving them new new new >> In the beginning, yes. Then the the the >> In the beginning, yes. Then the the the >> In the beginning, yes. Then the the the same path is important to create, you same path is important to create, you same path is important to create, you know, trust to the environment. But once know, trust to the environment. But once know, trust to the environment. But once they they they know it very well, you they they they know it very well, you they they they know it very well, you have to change it. have to change it. have to change it. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, and and you don't have to change >> Yeah, and and you don't have to change >> Yeah, and and you don't have to change like even going on a different like even going on a different like even going on a different direction. You can just come outside and direction. You can just come outside and direction. You can just come outside and put food in the floor and tempt the dog put food in the floor and tempt the dog put food in the floor and tempt the dog to want to smell and correct them. So to want to smell and correct them. So to want to smell and correct them. So that creates a challenge. that creates a challenge. that creates a challenge. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You see it? So you learn to ignore food >> You see it? So you learn to ignore food >> You see it? So you learn to ignore food in the floor. And you see it? So you in the floor. And you see it? So you in the floor. And you see it? So you start creating your own Universal start creating your own Universal start creating your own Universal Studios. So your whole house or your Studios. So your whole house or your Studios. So your whole house or your whole environment becomes your own dog whole environment becomes your own dog whole environment becomes your own dog psychology center where you're psychology center where you're psychology center where you're challenging your dog, you know, to to challenging your dog, you know, to to challenging your dog, you know, to to not get bored. Cuz they learn a pattern not get bored. Cuz they learn a pattern not get bored. Cuz they learn a pattern really fast and once they learn it, really fast and once they learn it, really fast and once they learn it, there is no growth. there is no growth. there is no growth. So then then the mind gets also So then then the mind gets also So then then the mind gets also frustrated, bored, or confused because frustrated, bored, or confused because frustrated, bored, or confused because there's no growth. there's no growth. there's no growth. >> I love it. I trained Strummer to run on >> I love it. I trained Strummer to run on >> I love it. I trained Strummer to run on the treadmill. the treadmill. the treadmill. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> For little rewards here and there, >> For little rewards here and there, >> For little rewards here and there, intermittent reinforcement. And he loves intermittent reinforcement. And he loves intermittent reinforcement. And he loves it. He runs now. He jumps on. He gets on it. He runs now. He jumps on. He gets on it. He runs now. He jumps on. He gets on that thing. that thing. that thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh it never occurred to me to do this, >> Uh it never occurred to me to do this, >> Uh it never occurred to me to do this, but I realized that we're in California, but I realized that we're in California, but I realized that we're in California, it doesn't rain too often, but even when it doesn't rain too often, but even when it doesn't rain too often, but even when it rains, I want to have something where it rains, I want to have something where it rains, I want to have something where I can I can I can >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> get his energy out. If it there's fires >> get his energy out. If it there's fires >> get his energy out. If it there's fires again, I don't want to be outside cuz again, I don't want to be outside cuz again, I don't want to be outside cuz anyway. Um so glad to hear that the anyway. Um so glad to hear that the anyway. Um so glad to hear that the treadmill is is okay. treadmill is is okay. treadmill is is okay. >> You know, the first treadmill I saw, >> You know, the first treadmill I saw, >> You know, the first treadmill I saw, remember the show The Jetsons? remember the show The Jetsons? remember the show The Jetsons? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> With Astro Jetson? >> With Astro Jetson? >> With Astro Jetson? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That was the first dog I ever seen on >> That was the first dog I ever seen on >> That was the first dog I ever seen on the treadmill. And I was a kid. the treadmill. And I was a kid. the treadmill. And I was a kid. Then I come to America and I see a whole Then I come to America and I see a whole Then I come to America and I see a whole bunch of treadmills, you know, and in bunch of treadmills, you know, and in bunch of treadmills, you know, and in people's garage. And I say, "Do you ever people's garage. And I say, "Do you ever people's garage. And I say, "Do you ever put your dog in the treadmill?" They put your dog in the treadmill?" They put your dog in the treadmill?" They said, "No. Can you put a dog in the said, "No. Can you put a dog in the said, "No. Can you put a dog in the treadmill?" I learned that by watching treadmill?" I learned that by watching treadmill?" I learned that by watching The Jetsons. The Jetsons. The Jetsons. >> Oh, very cool. >> Oh, very cool. >> Oh, very cool. >> Then I came and practice it in America >> Then I came and practice it in America >> Then I came and practice it in America cuz people just had the treadmill but cuz people just had the treadmill but cuz people just had the treadmill but they were not using it. they were not using it. they were not using it. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> You know? So, that's when I start >> You know? So, that's when I start >> You know? So, that's when I start putting dogs on the treadmill. Ba ba ba putting dogs on the treadmill. Ba ba ba putting dogs on the treadmill. Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba and people were just fascinated. But I and people were just fascinated. But I and people were just fascinated. But I said, "Listen, this is not for you to said, "Listen, this is not for you to said, "Listen, this is not for you to stay lazy. stay lazy. stay lazy. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> This is just for emergency. >> This is just for emergency. >> This is just for emergency. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Okay? And or for you to challenge the >> Okay? And or for you to challenge the >> Okay? And or for you to challenge the mind and mind and mind and and and you know, and that's it. It but and and you know, and that's it. It but and and you know, and that's it. It but it's not it's not so you don't walk. it's not it's not so you don't walk. it's not it's not so you don't walk. >> Yeah, I do a walk with him and bring him >> Yeah, I do a walk with him and bring him >> Yeah, I do a walk with him and bring him back and then if he still has a lot of back and then if he still has a lot of back and then if he still has a lot of energy and I have to go, I get him going energy and I have to go, I get him going energy and I have to go, I get him going fast on an incline. fast on an incline. fast on an incline. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Get him right to his threshold and then >> Get him right to his threshold and then >> Get him right to his threshold and then play with him a little bit. play with him a little bit. play with him a little bit. >> correct. >> correct. >> correct. >> And then like we I've been trying to >> And then like we I've been trying to >> And then like we I've been trying to share this thing with him like we this share this thing with him like we this share this thing with him like we this is our thing and now he he loves the is our thing and now he he loves the is our thing and now he he loves the treadmill. He we dying to get on the treadmill. He we dying to get on the treadmill. He we dying to get on the treadmill. treadmill. treadmill. >> become more like personal trainers, they >> become more like personal trainers, they >> become more like personal trainers, they will challenge the dogs a lot more like will challenge the dogs a lot more like will challenge the dogs a lot more like a personal trainer. a personal trainer. a personal trainer. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You see it? So, they will be able to, >> You see it? So, they will be able to, >> You see it? So, they will be able to, you know, challenge the mind and you know, challenge the mind and you know, challenge the mind and challenge the body. Challenge the mind, challenge the body. Challenge the mind, challenge the body. Challenge the mind, challenge the body. Da da da da as a challenge the body. Da da da da as a challenge the body. Da da da da as a personal trainer, right? And but personal trainer, right? And but personal trainer, right? And but but people don't do it. You know, they but people don't do it. You know, they but people don't do it. You know, they don't do these other uh titles. don't do these other uh titles. don't do these other uh titles. Right? I just want to be a dog lover or Right? I just want to be a dog lover or Right? I just want to be a dog lover or the mom of this dog or the father of the mom of this dog or the father of the mom of this dog or the father of this dog. Yeah, you can also be a coach. this dog. Yeah, you can also be a coach. this dog. Yeah, you can also be a coach. You can also be a religious coach. You can also be a religious coach. You can also be a religious coach. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? Or or a spiritual >> You know what I mean? Or or a spiritual >> You know what I mean? Or or a spiritual coach. Uh intellectual coach. I mean, coach. Uh intellectual coach. I mean, coach. Uh intellectual coach. I mean, don't forget there is four worlds. don't forget there is four worlds. don't forget there is four worlds. There's not just the emotional world. There's not just the emotional world. There's not just the emotional world. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And that's the only one you want to >> And that's the only one you want to >> And that's the only one you want to practice cuz that's the easiest one. practice cuz that's the easiest one. practice cuz that's the easiest one. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? To love a dog is so easy. You >> Right? To love a dog is so easy. You >> Right? To love a dog is so easy. You know, to challenge him, you know, uh know, to challenge him, you know, uh know, to challenge him, you know, uh spiritually and instinctively and and spiritually and instinctively and and spiritually and instinctively and and intellectually, that's it requires intellectually, that's it requires intellectually, that's it requires creativity. creativity. creativity. >> Yeah, that's a great relationship. >> Yeah, that's a great relationship. >> Yeah, that's a great relationship. >> Yeah, so awesome. Really it's good for >> Yeah, so awesome. Really it's good for >> Yeah, so awesome. Really it's good for you. you. you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cuz if the dog is doing great, that >> Cuz if the dog is doing great, that >> Cuz if the dog is doing great, that means you did great. So, it's a means you did great. So, it's a means you did great. So, it's a reflection of you. reflection of you. reflection of you. Right? The dog is a reflection of you, Right? The dog is a reflection of you, Right? The dog is a reflection of you, your energy, your philosophy, your your energy, your philosophy, your your energy, your philosophy, your actions. So, every time you work out actions. So, every time you work out actions. So, every time you work out with a dog, you're working out with with a dog, you're working out with with a dog, you're working out with yourself. It's just in a natural, yourself. It's just in a natural, yourself. It's just in a natural, simple, profound way. simple, profound way. simple, profound way. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> That's it, you know, which is about >> That's it, you know, which is about >> That's it, you know, which is about trust, respect, love, safe, peace, love, trust, respect, love, safe, peace, love, trust, respect, love, safe, peace, love, body, mind, heart. Just simple stuff. body, mind, heart. Just simple stuff. body, mind, heart. Just simple stuff. Right? And that creates the off-leash. Right? And that creates the off-leash. Right? And that creates the off-leash. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> That That [clears throat] is, you know, >> That That [clears throat] is, you know, >> That That [clears throat] is, you know, the ultimate with we should all the ultimate with we should all the ultimate with we should all accomplish. And you shouldn't pay for accomplish. And you shouldn't pay for accomplish. And you shouldn't pay for it. Right? I'm not trying to get my, you it. Right? I'm not trying to get my, you it. Right? I'm not trying to get my, you know, colleagues, uh, the dog trainers, know, colleagues, uh, the dog trainers, know, colleagues, uh, the dog trainers, uh, not to get a jobs, but uh, not to get a jobs, but uh, not to get a jobs, but it's it's a it's it's a it's it's a um it's kind of [clears throat] silly um it's kind of [clears throat] silly um it's kind of [clears throat] silly that you hire somebody to teach your dog that you hire somebody to teach your dog that you hire somebody to teach your dog off-leash. You earn that. That's off-leash. You earn that. That's off-leash. You earn that. That's something we have to earn. It's good for something we have to earn. It's good for something we have to earn. It's good for us us us >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> to earn, >> to earn, >> to earn, >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> you know, that that trust, that respect, >> you know, that that trust, that respect, >> you know, that that trust, that respect, that love. that love. that love. It's good. It's It's It's a good It's good. It's It's It's a good It's good. It's It's It's a good exercise. A good workout. That means you exercise. A good workout. That means you exercise. A good workout. That means you use your spirit, your instinct, your use your spirit, your instinct, your use your spirit, your instinct, your heart, your mind every single day of heart, your mind every single day of heart, your mind every single day of life. That's why that dog behaves that life. That's why that dog behaves that life. That's why that dog behaves that way. way. way. See it? They keep you on track. See it? They keep you on track. See it? They keep you on track. Just to live a natural, simple, profound Just to live a natural, simple, profound Just to live a natural, simple, profound life. And when you're having a hard time life. And when you're having a hard time life. And when you're having a hard time in life, that's where you want to go. in life, that's where you want to go. in life, that's where you want to go. To your natural, [clears throat] simple, To your natural, [clears throat] simple, To your natural, [clears throat] simple, profound. You know, never let this one profound. You know, never let this one profound. You know, never let this one go. go. go. So, to have a good relationship with a So, to have a good relationship with a So, to have a good relationship with a dog is automatically let you have a good dog is automatically let you have a good dog is automatically let you have a good relationship with God. relationship with God. relationship with God. They're together. We're the only one They're together. We're the only one They're together. We're the only one that separates them. that separates them. that separates them. We're the only one that separates We're the only one that separates We're the only one that separates everything to create chaos. We make a everything to create chaos. We make a everything to create chaos. We make a lot of things up. lot of things up. lot of things up. >> What I'm hearing today over and over is >> What I'm hearing today over and over is >> What I'm hearing today over and over is that you obey the spirit, you obey the that you obey the spirit, you obey the that you obey the spirit, you obey the instincts, ours and these animals, dogs instincts, ours and these animals, dogs instincts, ours and these animals, dogs in this case, in this case, in this case, and you put that first, and you put that first, and you put that first, then all the other stuff about pet not then all the other stuff about pet not then all the other stuff about pet not pet, pet not pet, like all the other pet, pet not pet, like all the other pet, pet not pet, like all the other stuff falls into place. stuff falls into place. stuff falls into place. But it's a moment-to-moment thing. It's But it's a moment-to-moment thing. It's But it's a moment-to-moment thing. It's a daily thing. There isn't a "Well, I a daily thing. There isn't a "Well, I a daily thing. There isn't a "Well, I love my dog. It loves me." That That's a love my dog. It loves me." That That's a love my dog. It loves me." That That's a That's a story that's partially true, That's a story that's partially true, That's a story that's partially true, but there's actually, if I'm but there's actually, if I'm but there's actually, if I'm editorializing a little bit, there's editorializing a little bit, there's editorializing a little bit, there's there's actually a fair amount of abuse there's actually a fair amount of abuse there's actually a fair amount of abuse of the animal in that situation. of the animal in that situation. of the animal in that situation. >> It's very self-serving. >> It's very self-serving. >> It's very self-serving. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's abuse of the animal. >> There's abuse of the animal. >> There's abuse of the animal. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But when we align all those things and >> But when we align all those things and >> But when we align all those things and we start from we start from we start from spirit, spirit, spirit, >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> it all kind of falls into place. >> it all kind of falls into place. >> it all kind of falls into place. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But we have to be vigilant and we have >> But we have to be vigilant and we have >> But we have to be vigilant and we have to basically train ourselves. This is to basically train ourselves. This is to basically train ourselves. This is all about training ourselves. all about training ourselves. all about training ourselves. >> I train humans, rehabilitate dogs. >> I train humans, rehabilitate dogs. >> I train humans, rehabilitate dogs. That's That's my job. I train humans, That's That's my job. I train humans, That's That's my job. I train humans, rehabilitate dogs. You don't have to rehabilitate dogs. You don't have to rehabilitate dogs. You don't have to have a dog to talk to me. have a dog to talk to me. have a dog to talk to me. Because, you know, learning how to be Because, you know, learning how to be Because, you know, learning how to be with a dog is learning how to be in with a dog is learning how to be in with a dog is learning how to be in life, period. life, period. life, period. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? It's good for you to be a pack >> Right? It's good for you to be a pack >> Right? It's good for you to be a pack member, a good pack member at home. You member, a good pack member at home. You member, a good pack member at home. You need to know what is your position and need to know what is your position and need to know what is your position and just be contribute to the family. just be contribute to the family. just be contribute to the family. Right? And bring good energy, good Right? And bring good energy, good Right? And bring good energy, good philosophy, good action, even if you're philosophy, good action, even if you're philosophy, good action, even if you're in the back of the pack, or the middle in the back of the pack, or the middle in the back of the pack, or the middle of the pack, or the front of the pack. of the pack, or the front of the pack. of the pack, or the front of the pack. It's not only the front of the pack that It's not only the front of the pack that It's not only the front of the pack that has to have good energy. It's has to have good energy. It's has to have good energy. It's it because he's in that position, he has it because he's in that position, he has it because he's in that position, he has to be the fittest. to be the fittest. to be the fittest. Right? Fittest not only physically, but Right? Fittest not only physically, but Right? Fittest not only physically, but spiritually, instinctively, emotionally, spiritually, instinctively, emotionally, spiritually, instinctively, emotionally, and mentally. and mentally. and mentally. You know, with the body to to take care You know, with the body to to take care You know, with the body to to take care of all those four energies. of all those four energies. of all those four energies. Right? So, otherwise, it doesn't matter Right? So, otherwise, it doesn't matter Right? So, otherwise, it doesn't matter what position what position what position you are in the pack, bring good energy, you are in the pack, bring good energy, you are in the pack, bring good energy, good philosophy, good actions. good philosophy, good actions. good philosophy, good actions. Right? And one way that you can achieve Right? And one way that you can achieve Right? And one way that you can achieve this every single day is having a great this every single day is having a great this every single day is having a great relationship with a dog. relationship with a dog. relationship with a dog. It just makes you a good human. Everybody wins that way. It's not about Everybody wins that way. It's not about training the dog, it's about training training the dog, it's about training training the dog, it's about training the human to be a good human. the human to be a good human. the human to be a good human. Right? And then that human is going to Right? And then that human is going to Right? And then that human is going to have have have good everything, cuz that's that's what good everything, cuz that's that's what good everything, cuz that's that's what his energy and philosophy and actions his energy and philosophy and actions his energy and philosophy and actions are all about. are all about. are all about. So, imagine if the world is led by good So, imagine if the world is led by good So, imagine if the world is led by good humans. humans. humans. >> Yeah, that's a beautiful image. >> Yeah, that's a beautiful image. >> Yeah, that's a beautiful image. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, >> Well, >> Well, Cesar, I Cesar, I Cesar, I I'm immensely grateful for you coming I'm immensely grateful for you coming I'm immensely grateful for you coming here today. Um, here today. Um, here today. Um, you are incredibly knowledgeable, you are incredibly knowledgeable, you are incredibly knowledgeable, incredibly wise. Your Your energy is incredibly wise. Your Your energy is incredibly wise. Your Your energy is tangible from the moment somebody meets tangible from the moment somebody meets tangible from the moment somebody meets you. It's a real thing. I I can say that you. It's a real thing. I I can say that you. It's a real thing. I I can say that uh having experienced it in the room. uh having experienced it in the room. uh having experienced it in the room. I'm sure people listening are hearing it I'm sure people listening are hearing it I'm sure people listening are hearing it and feeling it as well. and feeling it as well. and feeling it as well. You also have a an incredible You also have a an incredible You also have a an incredible relationship to the the spiritual of relationship to the the spiritual of relationship to the the spiritual of animals and humans and and animals and humans and and animals and humans and and a real what I hear is a a wish for a real what I hear is a a wish for a real what I hear is a a wish for humanity and for animals. And uh your humanity and for animals. And uh your humanity and for animals. And uh your relationship to the things that are relationship to the things that are relationship to the things that are timeless. timeless. timeless. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The past, the present, what happens >> The past, the present, what happens >> The past, the present, what happens next, it's it's really next, it's it's really next, it's it's really incredible. I said it before, I'll say incredible. I said it before, I'll say incredible. I said it before, I'll say it again, three different different ways it again, three different different ways it again, three different different ways for the multi-generational for the multi-generational for the multi-generational purpose of it. You're the man. purpose of it. You're the man. purpose of it. You're the man. You're also incredibly wise, and you're You're also incredibly wise, and you're You're also incredibly wise, and you're a virtuoso of bringing together a virtuoso of bringing together a virtuoso of bringing together information in practical ways that information in practical ways that information in practical ways that people can not just learn how to take people can not just learn how to take people can not just learn how to take care of their dog and themselves better, care of their dog and themselves better, care of their dog and themselves better, but as you pointed out, be a better but as you pointed out, be a better but as you pointed out, be a better human. 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