Pro Athlete Performance Doctor on Nicotine, Peptides, Wearables, and Expensive Youth Sports

Everyone learns better through play. Everyone learns better through play. Play is the miracle drug. Play is the miracle drug. Play is the miracle drug. >> Dr. Kelly Starret. >> Dr. Kelly Starret. >> Dr. Kelly Starret. >> He's worked with professional athletes, >> He's worked with professional athletes, >> He's worked with professional athletes, Olympians, elite military personnel, Olympians, elite military personnel, Olympians, elite military personnel, corporations as well. corporations as well. corporations as well. >> He teaches people how to move better for >> He teaches people how to move better for >> He teaches people how to move better for sake of sport and for everyday living. sake of sport and for everyday living. sake of sport and for everyday living. >> What are the principles that are >> What are the principles that are >> What are the principles that are actionable and applicable to the average actionable and applicable to the average actionable and applicable to the average everyday athlete? everyday athlete? everyday athlete? >> People are treating their training like >> People are treating their training like >> People are treating their training like a Super Bowl weekend every weekend. PR, a Super Bowl weekend every weekend. PR, a Super Bowl weekend every weekend. PR, PR, PR, PR, PR. And if there is no PR, PR, PR, PR. And if there is no PR, PR, PR, PR. And if there is no offseason or downtime and you on this offseason or downtime and you on this offseason or downtime and you on this belief that you have to make constant belief that you have to make constant belief that you have to make constant progression, that is a misunderstanding progression, that is a misunderstanding progression, that is a misunderstanding of how this works. If it's going to be a of how this works. If it's going to be a of how this works. If it's going to be a sustainable experience, we better go and sustainable experience, we better go and sustainable experience, we better go and have fun. That's how I want this to have fun. That's how I want this to have fun. That's how I want this to leave us. I want it to leave us so that leave us. I want it to leave us so that leave us. I want it to leave us so that we go out into the world and we're we go out into the world and we're we go out into the world and we're better people. better people. better people. Hey everybody, real quick before we dive Hey everybody, real quick before we dive Hey everybody, real quick before we dive in here, I wanted to take a quick second in here, I wanted to take a quick second in here, I wanted to take a quick second to genuinely thank you for being here. to genuinely thank you for being here. to genuinely thank you for being here. The fact that you give us your time and The fact that you give us your time and The fact that you give us your time and your attention is something I do not your attention is something I do not your attention is something I do not take for granted ever. And if you're take for granted ever. And if you're take for granted ever. 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Uh we were both at a a wellness conference uh out both at a a wellness conference uh out both at a a wellness conference uh out of town. of town. of town. >> I was in the early days of of you know, >> I was in the early days of of you know, >> I was in the early days of of you know, recovering from the surgery. Um, I don't recovering from the surgery. Um, I don't recovering from the surgery. Um, I don't think I was still wearing a brace, but I think I was still wearing a brace, but I think I was still wearing a brace, but I was probably like 50 pounds heavier than was probably like 50 pounds heavier than was probably like 50 pounds heavier than I was. I was. I was. >> You were like, you were in it. >> You were like, you were in it. >> You were like, you were in it. >> Probably in a semi deflated state, >> Probably in a semi deflated state, >> Probably in a semi deflated state, realizing how much patience this was realizing how much patience this was realizing how much patience this was going to require and how long this road going to require and how long this road going to require and how long this road was going to be. Here we were at this was going to be. Here we were at this was going to be. Here we were at this event in which a lot of like quote event in which a lot of like quote event in which a lot of like quote unquote like wellness influencers were unquote like wellness influencers were unquote like wellness influencers were speaking. And you and I are both kind of speaking. And you and I are both kind of speaking. And you and I are both kind of OGs in this world, whether it's fitness OGs in this world, whether it's fitness OGs in this world, whether it's fitness or wellness. uh where we've seen um a or wellness. uh where we've seen um a or wellness. uh where we've seen um a lot of changes. You know, there's lot of changes. You know, there's lot of changes. You know, there's there's been uh a lot of euphemis, there's been uh a lot of euphemis, there's been uh a lot of euphemis, >> you know, one thing about this >> you know, one thing about this >> you know, one thing about this conference is it was undeniable like how conference is it was undeniable like how conference is it was undeniable like how huge wellness is. like there it was just huge wellness is. like there it was just huge wellness is. like there it was just like a giant convention where people had like a giant convention where people had like a giant convention where people had spent a lot of money and you know a lot spent a lot of money and you know a lot spent a lot of money and you know a lot of well-known people were speaking but of well-known people were speaking but of well-known people were speaking but there was also a like a convention hall there was also a like a convention hall there was also a like a convention hall filled with vendors of every imaginable filled with vendors of every imaginable filled with vendors of every imaginable product and you know I was just product and you know I was just product and you know I was just reflecting on kind of the current state reflecting on kind of the current state reflecting on kind of the current state of wellness what it was like when you of wellness what it was like when you of wellness what it was like when you and I were kind of both coming up in and I were kind of both coming up in and I were kind of both coming up in this world how much it's changed and how this world how much it's changed and how this world how much it's changed and how uh in in certain ways it's really become uh in in certain ways it's really become uh in in certain ways it's really become become deranged. become deranged. become deranged. >> That's a kind word. >> That's a kind word. >> That's a kind word. >> In the ways in which it's impacting and >> In the ways in which it's impacting and >> In the ways in which it's impacting and influencing the average well-intentioned influencing the average well-intentioned influencing the average well-intentioned person out in the world who's just person out in the world who's just person out in the world who's just trying to make good choices for trying to make good choices for trying to make good choices for themselves and their families. We walked themselves and their families. We walked themselves and their families. We walked around and ran into a woman that we knew around and ran into a woman that we knew around and ran into a woman that we knew and she was like, "Hey, can I ask your and she was like, "Hey, can I ask your and she was like, "Hey, can I ask your opinion? Should I buy this this $1,000 opinion? Should I buy this this $1,000 opinion? Should I buy this this $1,000 vibration plate?" And I was like, "Well, vibration plate?" And I was like, "Well, vibration plate?" And I was like, "Well, tell me what you're doing currently." tell me what you're doing currently." tell me what you're doing currently." And I was like, "No." And then we walked And I was like, "No." And then we walked And I was like, "No." And then we walked over here and she's like, "Do I need over here and she's like, "Do I need over here and she's like, "Do I need this?" And I was like, "No." And she this?" And I was like, "No." And she this?" And I was like, "No." And she walked over here and walked over here and walked over here and >> you need a tennis ball and a rope and a >> you need a tennis ball and a rope and a >> you need a tennis ball and a rope and a frisbee. frisbee. frisbee. >> You need a You need a friend, right? You >> You need a You need a friend, right? You >> You need a You need a friend, right? You need you need some hopscotch. You need need you need some hopscotch. You need need you need some hopscotch. You need some like You need to play tag. some like You need to play tag. some like You need to play tag. >> We have these belts that we use. They're >> We have these belts that we use. They're >> We have these belts that we use. They're flag football belts. flag football belts. flag football belts. >> And the fastest way I know to get people >> And the fastest way I know to get people >> And the fastest way I know to get people fired up is to fired up is to fired up is to >> try to play capture the flag. And you >> try to play capture the flag. And you >> try to play capture the flag. And you and I, the five of us, six of us and I, the five of us, six of us and I, the five of us, six of us >> started doing this with no tech. very >> started doing this with no tech. very >> started doing this with no tech. very instantly would be activated, fun, play, instantly would be activated, fun, play, instantly would be activated, fun, play, move in weird crazy places. What's that move in weird crazy places. What's that move in weird crazy places. What's that Amazon flag football belt cost? So I Amazon flag football belt cost? So I Amazon flag football belt cost? So I think what we saw there was that we had think what we saw there was that we had think what we saw there was that we had confused like which core pillar is this confused like which core pillar is this confused like which core pillar is this thing improving. Is it nutrition? Is it thing improving. Is it nutrition? Is it thing improving. Is it nutrition? Is it really making a difference in my really making a difference in my really making a difference in my nutrition? Is it making a difference in nutrition? Is it making a difference in nutrition? Is it making a difference in my sleep? Is it making a difference in my sleep? Is it making a difference in my sleep? Is it making a difference in my pain? I think what we see is that we my pain? I think what we see is that we my pain? I think what we see is that we can purchase a thing and then that will can purchase a thing and then that will can purchase a thing and then that will take care of the thing, take care of the thing, take care of the thing, >> right? It's a way of offloading >> right? It's a way of offloading >> right? It's a way of offloading responsibility on some level. I spent a responsibility on some level. I spent a responsibility on some level. I spent a lot of money on this thing. It's going lot of money on this thing. It's going lot of money on this thing. It's going to take care of it for me. In the same to take care of it for me. In the same to take care of it for me. In the same way, maybe I go to my doctor and they way, maybe I go to my doctor and they way, maybe I go to my doctor and they say, "Take this medication." As opposed say, "Take this medication." As opposed say, "Take this medication." As opposed to looking inward and and saying, "Well, to looking inward and and saying, "Well, to looking inward and and saying, "Well, what is causing this? What's the root what is causing this? What's the root what is causing this? What's the root cause?" The solution generally isn't cause?" The solution generally isn't cause?" The solution generally isn't something that something that something that >> necessarily costs money. Uh but it might >> necessarily costs money. Uh but it might >> necessarily costs money. Uh but it might require work and a little investigation. require work and a little investigation. require work and a little investigation. Yeah. Like Yeah. Like Yeah. Like >> Yeah. And um you know, let's let's be >> Yeah. And um you know, let's let's be >> Yeah. And um you know, let's let's be generous that you know, people have generous that you know, people have generous that you know, people have always been looking for ways to sell always been looking for ways to sell always been looking for ways to sell things to people. We I sell a mobility things to people. We I sell a mobility things to people. We I sell a mobility app where you can come in and learn how app where you can come in and learn how app where you can come in and learn how to take care of your body. Okay. I know to take care of your body. Okay. I know to take care of your body. Okay. I know everyone's a little bit guilty of some everyone's a little bit guilty of some everyone's a little bit guilty of some of this, but the I think what we're of this, but the I think what we're of this, but the I think what we're starting to see there is the maturation starting to see there is the maturation starting to see there is the maturation of this marketplace that's that really of this marketplace that's that really of this marketplace that's that really misses the idea of what what it is, misses the idea of what what it is, misses the idea of what what it is, what's important, like do you cook food? what's important, like do you cook food? what's important, like do you cook food? Do you eat dinner with your friends? Do you eat dinner with your friends? Do you eat dinner with your friends? Stan Stevenson wrote a really good book Stan Stevenson wrote a really good book Stan Stevenson wrote a really good book about creating kitchen culture for his about creating kitchen culture for his about creating kitchen culture for his family. And if you want to transform family. And if you want to transform family. And if you want to transform your family, sit down, no tech, everyone your family, sit down, no tech, everyone your family, sit down, no tech, everyone contributes in the kitchen and you eat contributes in the kitchen and you eat contributes in the kitchen and you eat food together and then do the dishes food together and then do the dishes food together and then do the dishes together. That will 180 any biohack you together. That will 180 any biohack you together. That will 180 any biohack you can you possibly do. And I think I think can you possibly do. And I think I think can you possibly do. And I think I think it's a feature, not a bug, all of that it's a feature, not a bug, all of that it's a feature, not a bug, all of that stuff. And it's our job to help people stuff. And it's our job to help people stuff. And it's our job to help people sort of see through theirs, see through sort of see through theirs, see through sort of see through theirs, see through and see what's essential. And let's be and see what's essential. And let's be and see what's essential. And let's be generous about all that stuff. Let's say generous about all that stuff. Let's say generous about all that stuff. Let's say that some of those things could be that some of those things could be that some of those things could be toemic and they're like I did this thing toemic and they're like I did this thing toemic and they're like I did this thing and it changed started to get me to and it changed started to get me to and it changed started to get me to think differently about my sleep and think differently about my sleep and think differently about my sleep and because I got interested in my sleep I because I got interested in my sleep I because I got interested in my sleep I started thinking about drinking more started thinking about drinking more started thinking about drinking more water and then I started thinking about water and then I started thinking about water and then I started thinking about walking. So it can be that way leads to walking. So it can be that way leads to walking. So it can be that way leads to way leads to way but that's a little bit way leads to way but that's a little bit way leads to way but that's a little bit like trickle down economics and I'm a like trickle down economics and I'm a like trickle down economics and I'm a little bit skeptical. You know what I little bit skeptical. You know what I little bit skeptical. You know what I see is that went in your you used it was see is that went in your you used it was see is that went in your you used it was novel and it went into your closet and novel and it went into your closet and novel and it went into your closet and it didn't change anything that we're it didn't change anything that we're it didn't change anything that we're talking about here. talking about here. talking about here. On the one hand, it's fantastic that On the one hand, it's fantastic that On the one hand, it's fantastic that people are thinking about their own people are thinking about their own people are thinking about their own well-being, uh, in a way that, you know, well-being, uh, in a way that, you know, well-being, uh, in a way that, you know, generations prior didn't. Uh, and that's generations prior didn't. Uh, and that's generations prior didn't. Uh, and that's good. Anything that gets people moving good. Anything that gets people moving good. Anything that gets people moving or making better food choices, etc., is or making better food choices, etc., is or making better food choices, etc., is a is a is a net positive. I just think a is a is a net positive. I just think a is a is a net positive. I just think that the focus is so firmly placed on that the focus is so firmly placed on that the focus is so firmly placed on the marginelia like these these these the marginelia like these these these the marginelia like these these these hacks or these devices or these things hacks or these devices or these things hacks or these devices or these things that there's nothing wrong with them and that there's nothing wrong with them and that there's nothing wrong with them and they have their you know some are more they have their you know some are more they have their you know some are more evidence-based than others but you know evidence-based than others but you know evidence-based than others but you know probably do some good for you in some probably do some good for you in some probably do some good for you in some certain way but it's one tree in a certain way but it's one tree in a certain way but it's one tree in a massive forest. It's like losing the massive forest. It's like losing the massive forest. It's like losing the forest for the trees. Uh overlooking forest for the trees. Uh overlooking forest for the trees. Uh overlooking like the things that we know, the major like the things that we know, the major like the things that we know, the major pillars that are driving us towards pillars that are driving us towards pillars that are driving us towards being happier and healthier because being happier and healthier because being happier and healthier because they're sexy. I don't think that you can they're sexy. I don't think that you can they're sexy. I don't think that you can talk about this without talking about talk about this without talking about talk about this without talking about the epidemic of loneliness and this the epidemic of loneliness and this the epidemic of loneliness and this crisis of meaning that uh I think is a crisis of meaning that uh I think is a crisis of meaning that uh I think is a kind of a cultural phenomenon right now. kind of a cultural phenomenon right now. kind of a cultural phenomenon right now. People are looking for more meaning in People are looking for more meaning in People are looking for more meaning in their lives and wellness in some their lives and wellness in some their lives and wellness in some respects to my mind is now showing up respects to my mind is now showing up respects to my mind is now showing up almost as secularized religion like it almost as secularized religion like it almost as secularized religion like it is a identitybearing queson into the is a identitybearing queson into the is a identitybearing queson into the ground that people can associate with ground that people can associate with ground that people can associate with where they're going to find like-minded where they're going to find like-minded where they're going to find like-minded people. Uh and so in the absence of you people. Uh and so in the absence of you people. Uh and so in the absence of you know any other kind of like faith know any other kind of like faith know any other kind of like faith institutions as those things decline institutions as those things decline institutions as those things decline more and more people are gravitating more and more people are gravitating more and more people are gravitating towards this as a kind of religion and towards this as a kind of religion and towards this as a kind of religion and as a way of defining themselves like as a way of defining themselves like as a way of defining themselves like creating an identity around it. And creating an identity around it. And creating an identity around it. And within this world we have a whole within this world we have a whole within this world we have a whole spectrum of influential people from very spectrum of influential people from very spectrum of influential people from very solid to just solid to just solid to just patent grifterism within which there is patent grifterism within which there is patent grifterism within which there is an incentive structure for people to an incentive structure for people to an incentive structure for people to behave badly for the cause of you know behave badly for the cause of you know behave badly for the cause of you know selling some product. And so we see a selling some product. And so we see a selling some product. And so we see a lot of confusing messaging around uh lot of confusing messaging around uh lot of confusing messaging around uh everything they you know like we've all everything they you know like we've all everything they you know like we've all seen the reels where like everything seen the reels where like everything seen the reels where like everything they told you was a lie and here's the they told you was a lie and here's the they told you was a lie and here's the secret they don't want you to know about secret they don't want you to know about secret they don't want you to know about because of big pharma or whatever and because of big pharma or whatever and because of big pharma or whatever and you should get this uh and then the next you should get this uh and then the next you should get this uh and then the next reel says the exact opposite and it just reel says the exact opposite and it just reel says the exact opposite and it just creates a lot of paralysis and confusion creates a lot of paralysis and confusion creates a lot of paralysis and confusion and it's obfuscating and it's obfuscating and it's obfuscating the message that someone like you is the message that someone like you is the message that someone like you is trying to put out which is very grounded trying to put out which is very grounded trying to put out which is very grounded and principlebased around like what we and principlebased around like what we and principlebased around like what we know deep down in our DNA, we don't even know deep down in our DNA, we don't even know deep down in our DNA, we don't even need you to tell us like you need need you to tell us like you need need you to tell us like you need friends, you need to move your body, you friends, you need to move your body, you friends, you need to move your body, you need to experience joy, you need to make need to experience joy, you need to make need to experience joy, you need to make your life about something bigger than your life about something bigger than your life about something bigger than you. And I think there's something very you. And I think there's something very you. And I think there's something very naval gazing and um and kind of naval gazing and um and kind of naval gazing and um and kind of narcissistic about wellness because it's narcissistic about wellness because it's narcissistic about wellness because it's so focused upon the self. like this so focused upon the self. like this so focused upon the self. like this optimization culture is really like an optimization culture is really like an optimization culture is really like an egoic pursuit that I think is egoic pursuit that I think is egoic pursuit that I think is fundamentally unhealthy if not checked. fundamentally unhealthy if not checked. fundamentally unhealthy if not checked. >> Yes. Um, one of the ways that helps me >> Yes. Um, one of the ways that helps me >> Yes. Um, one of the ways that helps me filter this out because I I'm a consumer filter this out because I I'm a consumer filter this out because I I'm a consumer on the internet too on the internet too on the internet too >> and I love all this stuff and I'm in it, >> and I love all this stuff and I'm in it, >> and I love all this stuff and I'm in it, you know, and I probably, you know, like you know, and I probably, you know, like you know, and I probably, you know, like I'm not only am I a participant, I'm a I'm not only am I a participant, I'm a I'm not only am I a participant, I'm a purveyor, you know, so like what is my purveyor, you know, so like what is my purveyor, you know, so like what is my responsibility in this? responsibility in this? responsibility in this? >> I I am part of the problem. I recognize >> I I am part of the problem. I recognize >> I I am part of the problem. I recognize that one of the ways that I try to make that one of the ways that I try to make that one of the ways that I try to make sense of it is if I drop a performance sense of it is if I drop a performance sense of it is if I drop a performance lens, how does this hold up? Does this lens, how does this hold up? Does this lens, how does this hold up? Does this get me to the Olympics? Does this, you get me to the Olympics? Does this, you get me to the Olympics? Does this, you know, at high speeds, high loads, does know, at high speeds, high loads, does know, at high speeds, high loads, does this matter? And that could be high this matter? And that could be high this matter? And that could be high psychological loads and demands. And psychological loads and demands. And psychological loads and demands. And that really gets me through like, okay, that really gets me through like, okay, that really gets me through like, okay, this is sort of entertainment. Fitness this is sort of entertainment. Fitness this is sort of entertainment. Fitness and wellness is entertainment. It's the and wellness is entertainment. It's the and wellness is entertainment. It's the bgeois bgeois bgeois dying of their own wei. And this is dying of their own wei. And this is dying of their own wei. And this is another cake party. That's what this is. another cake party. That's what this is. another cake party. That's what this is. Like I have some money and I wanna it Like I have some money and I wanna it Like I have some money and I wanna it feels good and I'm I'm a dilotant and feels good and I'm I'm a dilotant and feels good and I'm I'm a dilotant and sort of you know um a tourist like sort of you know um a tourist like sort of you know um a tourist like touristing is super fun and didn't touristing is super fun and didn't touristing is super fun and didn't meaningfully change anything. But as meaningfully change anything. But as meaningfully change anything. But as soon as I dropped this fil this soon as I dropped this fil this soon as I dropped this fil this performance filter, you know, did you go performance filter, you know, did you go performance filter, you know, did you go faster? Did it improve your wattage and faster? Did it improve your wattage and faster? Did it improve your wattage and your recovery? Did like that's a really your recovery? Did like that's a really your recovery? Did like that's a really easy way for me to see. easy way for me to see. easy way for me to see. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And the other thing I can look around >> And the other thing I can look around >> And the other thing I can look around I'm like well who's using this thing? I I'm like well who's using this thing? I I'm like well who's using this thing? I mean, I think that's really it's mean, I think that's really it's mean, I think that's really it's interesting. A lot of that we haven't interesting. A lot of that we haven't interesting. A lot of that we haven't and it's getting complicated with GLP1s, and it's getting complicated with GLP1s, and it's getting complicated with GLP1s, which I'm a huge fan of, but it's always which I'm a huge fan of, but it's always which I'm a huge fan of, but it's always been about aesthetics and in service of been about aesthetics and in service of been about aesthetics and in service of being skinny and having this ideal. So, being skinny and having this ideal. So, being skinny and having this ideal. So, there is very much an egoic there is very much an egoic there is very much an egoic narcissist thing underneath us. And narcissist thing underneath us. And narcissist thing underneath us. And look, I think it's reasonable not want look, I think it's reasonable not want look, I think it's reasonable not want to be gross for your wife. Like, that's to be gross for your wife. Like, that's to be gross for your wife. Like, that's my again my goal. and and to have a body my again my goal. and and to have a body my again my goal. and and to have a body that I have feel proud of and is that I have feel proud of and is that I have feel proud of and is capable, I think that's a really capable, I think that's a really capable, I think that's a really reasonable goal for people. But if it's reasonable goal for people. But if it's reasonable goal for people. But if it's only about being skinny and restriction only about being skinny and restriction only about being skinny and restriction and again this this my brain doesn't and again this this my brain doesn't and again this this my brain doesn't think I'm safe and I have to do these think I'm safe and I have to do these think I'm safe and I have to do these things in order for me to have this. things in order for me to have this. things in order for me to have this. It's we know what's going to happen. It's we know what's going to happen. It's we know what's going to happen. We've run this experiment how many times We've run this experiment how many times We've run this experiment how many times how many generations are we going to run how many generations are we going to run how many generations are we going to run this experiment on? We've been selling this experiment on? We've been selling this experiment on? We've been selling fat shakers to women about, you know, fat shakers to women about, you know, fat shakers to women about, you know, like the German, you know, belt drive like the German, you know, belt drive like the German, you know, belt drive from, you know, we've been we've been from, you know, we've been we've been from, you know, we've been we've been talking about these things uh for as talking about these things uh for as talking about these things uh for as long as there have been humans. So, I long as there have been humans. So, I long as there have been humans. So, I think it is it is a feature of being think it is it is a feature of being think it is it is a feature of being human. When I again try to understand human. When I again try to understand human. When I again try to understand this, I'm like, well, is it does it fit this, I'm like, well, is it does it fit this, I'm like, well, is it does it fit in and if could this get me to the in and if could this get me to the in and if could this get me to the Olympics? Do I bring how does this Olympics? Do I bring how does this Olympics? Do I bring how does this scale? Let me ask you this. If you scale? Let me ask you this. If you scale? Let me ask you this. If you anyone is doing these things, a simple anyone is doing these things, a simple anyone is doing these things, a simple way of understanding is this valuable, way of understanding is this valuable, way of understanding is this valuable, worth my time is, would you let your worth my time is, would you let your worth my time is, would you let your kids do it? kids do it? kids do it? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? And you're like, >> You know what I mean? And you're like, >> You know what I mean? And you're like, oh, your kids aren't getting infusions oh, your kids aren't getting infusions oh, your kids aren't getting infusions and ozone treatments and like why not? and ozone treatments and like why not? and ozone treatments and like why not? Because at 17, it's dangerous or it's, Because at 17, it's dangerous or it's, Because at 17, it's dangerous or it's, you know what I mean? But you'll take I you know what I mean? But you'll take I you know what I mean? But you'll take I just saw the Guardian. This is a really just saw the Guardian. This is a really just saw the Guardian. This is a really good example. The Guardian just did a good example. The Guardian just did a good example. The Guardian just did a test of some uh peptides that they test of some uh peptides that they test of some uh peptides that they gotten from a reputable site. I'm just gotten from a reputable site. I'm just gotten from a reputable site. I'm just going to put, you know, and they had him going to put, you know, and they had him going to put, you know, and they had him tested and it contained no peptides. tested and it contained no peptides. tested and it contained no peptides. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> But it contains lead and but because >> But it contains lead and but because >> But it contains lead and but because >> the solution is this is easier >> the solution is this is easier >> the solution is this is easier then I'm I'm more willing to put that then I'm I'm more willing to put that then I'm I'm more willing to put that aside. And again, if we just look at the aside. And again, if we just look at the aside. And again, if we just look at the dichotomy between, hey, I'll take this dichotomy between, hey, I'll take this dichotomy between, hey, I'll take this untested peptide that doesn't have any untested peptide that doesn't have any untested peptide that doesn't have any rigorous trials, rigorous trials, rigorous trials, but I won't take this vaccine. Like but I won't take this vaccine. Like but I won't take this vaccine. Like there's a real sort of divergence of there's a real sort of divergence of there's a real sort of divergence of logic there. logic there. logic there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and I I >> And and I I >> And and I I >> have to do some real mental gymnastics. >> have to do some real mental gymnastics. >> have to do some real mental gymnastics. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To justify that uh you know that >> To justify that uh you know that >> To justify that uh you know that conflict conflict conflict >> and without you know I know I just here >> and without you know I know I just here >> and without you know I know I just here the rake's going to hit me in the face the rake's going to hit me in the face the rake's going to hit me in the face here but um you know again the here but um you know again the here but um you know again the performance piece really helps me you performance piece really helps me you performance piece really helps me you know you know hey I I discovered that know you know hey I I discovered that know you know hey I I discovered that I'm vitamin D deficient right? So, I'm vitamin D deficient right? So, I'm vitamin D deficient right? So, just saying metaphorically, right? We just saying metaphorically, right? We just saying metaphorically, right? We had a woman who uh we knew was a had a woman who uh we knew was a had a woman who uh we knew was a strength coach in New York. She got strength coach in New York. She got strength coach in New York. She got pushed into a railing. She's a woman of pushed into a railing. She's a woman of pushed into a railing. She's a woman of color. Broke her ribs. And she was like, color. Broke her ribs. And she was like, color. Broke her ribs. And she was like, I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh, I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh, I couldn't believe it. I was like, oh, you found out you're vitamin D you found out you're vitamin D you found out you're vitamin D deficient. She's like, how'd you know? deficient. She's like, how'd you know? deficient. She's like, how'd you know? I'm like, you're a woman of color. You I'm like, you're a woman of color. You I'm like, you're a woman of color. You work out in a gym and you live in New work out in a gym and you live in New work out in a gym and you live in New York. And I was like, you're never in York. And I was like, you're never in York. And I was like, you're never in the sun, ever in the sun. When our the sun, ever in the sun. When our the sun, ever in the sun. When our second daughter was born, Caroline, she second daughter was born, Caroline, she second daughter was born, Caroline, she was born a preeie. She was born six was born a preeie. She was born six was born a preeie. She was born six weeks early. And we spent three weeks in weeks early. And we spent three weeks in weeks early. And we spent three weeks in the NICU with Caroline. This is our our the NICU with Caroline. This is our our the NICU with Caroline. This is our our division one water pol player. division one water pol player. division one water pol player. >> And we had a placenta mama problem. And >> And we had a placenta mama problem. And >> And we had a placenta mama problem. And when they sent us out, and I think this when they sent us out, and I think this when they sent us out, and I think this says it all. They were like, "Okay, you says it all. They were like, "Okay, you says it all. They were like, "Okay, you got to give your kid these vitamins. got to give your kid these vitamins. got to give your kid these vitamins. We're getting out of the NICU." And I We're getting out of the NICU." And I We're getting out of the NICU." And I was like, "I have to give my kid was like, "I have to give my kid was like, "I have to give my kid vitamins." And they're like, "Yeah, they vitamins." And they're like, "Yeah, they vitamins." And they're like, "Yeah, they she has to take these vitamins." And I she has to take these vitamins." And I she has to take these vitamins." And I was like, "Look me in the eye and tell was like, "Look me in the eye and tell was like, "Look me in the eye and tell me that this mother's milk is incomplete me that this mother's milk is incomplete me that this mother's milk is incomplete nutrition for my child. Go ahead. Go nutrition for my child. Go ahead. Go nutrition for my child. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm waiting for it." And I just ahead. I'm waiting for it." And I just ahead. I'm waiting for it." And I just crossed my arms. And they were like, crossed my arms. And they were like, crossed my arms. And they were like, "Um, well," and I was like, "What's the "Um, well," and I was like, "What's the "Um, well," and I was like, "What's the problem?" And they were like, "The problem?" And they were like, "The problem?" And they were like, "The problem is that the problem is that the problem is that the white women in San Francisco don't go in white women in San Francisco don't go in white women in San Francisco don't go in the sun. There's no vitamin D in their the sun. There's no vitamin D in their the sun. There's no vitamin D in their bodies. The child doesn't get any bodies. The child doesn't get any bodies. The child doesn't get any vitamin D." And I was like, "Okay, so vitamin D." And I was like, "Okay, so vitamin D." And I was like, "Okay, so what you're saying is here's a solution what you're saying is here's a solution what you're saying is here's a solution to a behavior problem. What I need to do to a behavior problem. What I need to do to a behavior problem. What I need to do is make sure that my kid gets a little is make sure that my kid gets a little is make sure that my kid gets a little bit of sun exposure every day." And bit of sun exposure every day." And bit of sun exposure every day." And they're like, "Yes." And I was like, they're like, "Yes." And I was like, they're like, "Yes." And I was like, "Great." And I think that is sort of "Great." And I think that is sort of "Great." And I think that is sort of what we're doing. This this wellness what we're doing. This this wellness what we're doing. This this wellness thing is surrogacy for the real work. thing is surrogacy for the real work. thing is surrogacy for the real work. It's hard work to have relationships and It's hard work to have relationships and It's hard work to have relationships and to schedule dinners and to go on to schedule dinners and to go on to schedule dinners and to go on adventures. It's hard work adventures. It's hard work adventures. It's hard work >> to be a human engaging in a human >> to be a human engaging in a human >> to be a human engaging in a human society. But as long as we're can be on society. But as long as we're can be on society. But as long as we're can be on my phone not doing those things, then my phone not doing those things, then my phone not doing those things, then I'm I'm looking for this exogenous I'm I'm looking for this exogenous I'm I'm looking for this exogenous solution. and and we'll continue to do solution. and and we'll continue to do solution. and and we'll continue to do that until we wrap our heads around what that until we wrap our heads around what that until we wrap our heads around what does it mean to be a person in a does it mean to be a person in a does it mean to be a person in a community. community. community. >> The other interesting thing that I think >> The other interesting thing that I think >> The other interesting thing that I think a lot about uh is a lot about uh is a lot about uh is >> using that like conference as an example >> using that like conference as an example >> using that like conference as an example and it's not to denigrate the conference and it's not to denigrate the conference and it's not to denigrate the conference like I had a great time there but when like I had a great time there but when like I had a great time there but when you're in that environment where there's you're in that environment where there's you're in that environment where there's lots of ddads and gadgets and here's the lots of ddads and gadgets and here's the lots of ddads and gadgets and here's the latest bio hack etc. Um, and all of latest bio hack etc. Um, and all of latest bio hack etc. Um, and all of these things are being kind of these things are being kind of these things are being kind of positioned and sold as this is what's positioned and sold as this is what's positioned and sold as this is what's missing in your life and if you want to missing in your life and if you want to missing in your life and if you want to be a peak performer, you need this. Uh, be a peak performer, you need this. Uh, be a peak performer, you need this. Uh, what again? Exactly. So, so as somebody what again? Exactly. So, so as somebody what again? Exactly. So, so as somebody who has competed in sport at a at a high who has competed in sport at a at a high who has competed in sport at a at a high level and has a long history of being in level and has a long history of being in level and has a long history of being in athletics and yourself being somebody athletics and yourself being somebody athletics and yourself being somebody who has worked with so many athletes in who has worked with so many athletes in who has worked with so many athletes in so many different sports at the highest so many different sports at the highest so many different sports at the highest level, uh like do any of the Olympic level, uh like do any of the Olympic level, uh like do any of the Olympic athletes that you know do any of those athletes that you know do any of those athletes that you know do any of those things? things? things? >> No, >> No, >> No, >> not at all. This doesn't exist. >> not at all. This doesn't exist. >> not at all. This doesn't exist. >> This is not how you do it. No Olympic >> This is not how you do it. No Olympic >> This is not how you do it. No Olympic athlete is doing any I mean they're athlete is doing any I mean they're athlete is doing any I mean they're maybe they're dipping their toe here and maybe they're dipping their toe here and maybe they're dipping their toe here and there into certain things but it's not there into certain things but it's not there into certain things but it's not like a major aspect of how they're like a major aspect of how they're like a major aspect of how they're training and recovering on a day in training and recovering on a day in training and recovering on a day in dayout basis. dayout basis. dayout basis. >> It it can't be there's no >> It it can't be there's no >> It it can't be there's no >> and these are the highest performers in >> and these are the highest performers in >> and these are the highest performers in the world. And so the conversation the world. And so the conversation the world. And so the conversation around high performance has you know the around high performance has you know the around high performance has you know the elephant in the room is the fact that elephant in the room is the fact that elephant in the room is the fact that the highest performers in the world the highest performers in the world the highest performers in the world actually aren't doing any of those actually aren't doing any of those actually aren't doing any of those things. things. things. >> And your high performance is what? >> And your high performance is what? >> And your high performance is what? looking good naked in the mirror on a looking good naked in the mirror on a looking good naked in the mirror on a Tuesday for Instagram. You know, your Tuesday for Instagram. You know, your Tuesday for Instagram. You know, your high performance is having less brain high performance is having less brain high performance is having less brain fog because you drank one less bottle of fog because you drank one less bottle of fog because you drank one less bottle of wine, you know? I mean, like I'm I I wine, you know? I mean, like I'm I I wine, you know? I mean, like I'm I I agree with you 100%. And I think that's agree with you 100%. And I think that's agree with you 100%. And I think that's what is suspicious. You know, when you what is suspicious. You know, when you what is suspicious. You know, when you are in these places, then you see that are in these places, then you see that are in these places, then you see that you're like, where is this disconnect? you're like, where is this disconnect? you're like, where is this disconnect? That's why I say that filter of That's why I say that filter of That's why I say that filter of performance, real performance, athletic performance, real performance, athletic performance, real performance, athletic performance, mental performance, you performance, mental performance, you performance, mental performance, you start to see, let me give you an start to see, let me give you an start to see, let me give you an example, and I hope I don't get in example, and I hope I don't get in example, and I hope I don't get in trouble with this. Um, trouble with this. Um, trouble with this. Um, Delta Force spends a lot of time Delta Force spends a lot of time Delta Force spends a lot of time thinking about sleep. And the army is thinking about sleep. And the army is thinking about sleep. And the army is starting to think differently about starting to think differently about starting to think differently about sleep. Maybe we should do training sleep. Maybe we should do training sleep. Maybe we should do training differently. If we keep our young differently. If we keep our young differently. If we keep our young captains awake for 36 hours, they make captains awake for 36 hours, they make captains awake for 36 hours, they make bad decisions. So they, right, they bad decisions. So they, right, they bad decisions. So they, right, they they're changing the core DNA of some they're changing the core DNA of some they're changing the core DNA of some training exercises because they were training exercises because they were training exercises because they were having too many injuries and all these having too many injuries and all these having too many injuries and all these things. One of the things that one of things. One of the things that one of things. One of the things that one of these tier military groups do, they're these tier military groups do, they're these tier military groups do, they're always looking for how do we improve always looking for how do we improve always looking for how do we improve performance? Well, you know what made performance? Well, you know what made performance? Well, you know what made the biggest the only thing that changed the biggest the only thing that changed the biggest the only thing that changed heart rate variability and recovery? One heart rate variability and recovery? One heart rate variability and recovery? One of the squadrons went dry. They didn't of the squadrons went dry. They didn't of the squadrons went dry. They didn't drink for a month. They just didn't drink for a month. They just didn't drink for a month. They just didn't drink for a month. drink for a month. drink for a month. >> Everyone slept better. Everyone >> Everyone slept better. Everyone >> Everyone slept better. Everyone performed better. They won the the performed better. They won the the performed better. They won the the monthly Olympics. Their heart rate monthly Olympics. Their heart rate monthly Olympics. Their heart rate variabilities changed. What did we pull variabilities changed. What did we pull variabilities changed. What did we pull out? We just pulled out this coping out? We just pulled out this coping out? We just pulled out this coping strategy. This elite they didn't change. strategy. This elite they didn't change. strategy. This elite they didn't change. They didn't add some tech thing They didn't add some tech thing They didn't add some tech thing downregulate vasil veagal like none of downregulate vasil veagal like none of downregulate vasil veagal like none of that. It wasn't injections of super that. It wasn't injections of super that. It wasn't injections of super serum. It was maybe when we're stressed, serum. It was maybe when we're stressed, serum. It was maybe when we're stressed, we shouldn't drink. And uh when we come we shouldn't drink. And uh when we come we shouldn't drink. And uh when we come back to these fundamentals, you and I back to these fundamentals, you and I back to these fundamentals, you and I are the same person we were 10,000 years are the same person we were 10,000 years are the same person we were 10,000 years ago. I'm fatter, your femur is longer. ago. I'm fatter, your femur is longer. ago. I'm fatter, your femur is longer. It's the same. So there hasn't really It's the same. So there hasn't really It's the same. So there hasn't really been, and you're telling me in 10,000 been, and you're telling me in 10,000 been, and you're telling me in 10,000 years, we haven't really been obsessed years, we haven't really been obsessed years, we haven't really been obsessed with I mean, the the first sport science with I mean, the the first sport science with I mean, the the first sport science in the world is military science. The in the world is military science. The in the world is military science. The Prussians figured out that at this Prussians figured out that at this Prussians figured out that at this temperature, we can march these dudes temperature, we can march these dudes temperature, we can march these dudes with this load this far. with this load this far. with this load this far. >> And at this temperature, we can march >> And at this temperature, we can march >> And at this temperature, we can march these dudes this load this far. these dudes this load this far. these dudes this load this far. >> People have been obsessed with this >> People have been obsessed with this >> People have been obsessed with this forever. Go to Scotland. What are all forever. Go to Scotland. What are all forever. Go to Scotland. What are all those stones just laying around? People those stones just laying around? People those stones just laying around? People are just like, I bet I can lift that are just like, I bet I can lift that are just like, I bet I can lift that stone. You know, um Hapthor, right, the stone. You know, um Hapthor, right, the stone. You know, um Hapthor, right, the mountain did this famous thing where he mountain did this famous thing where he mountain did this famous thing where he walked this mast and he it's like a walked this mast and he it's like a walked this mast and he it's like a 3,000lb mast. some insane mass on a ship 3,000lb mast. some insane mass on a ship 3,000lb mast. some insane mass on a ship and he lifts it up and he walks four and he lifts it up and he walks four and he lifts it up and he walks four steps and it is everyone loses their steps and it is everyone loses their steps and it is everyone loses their mind because the old Viking history of a mind because the old Viking history of a mind because the old Viking history of a thousand years ago is the guy walked thousand years ago is the guy walked thousand years ago is the guy walked three steps. So we have all of the three steps. So we have all of the three steps. So we have all of the technology, all of the drugs, all the technology, all of the drugs, all the technology, all of the drugs, all the recovery, he gets one more step with the recovery, he gets one more step with the recovery, he gets one more step with the 3,000lb mass. That's how long people 3,000lb mass. That's how long people 3,000lb mass. That's how long people have been savages. That's when and I have been savages. That's when and I have been savages. That's when and I mean I mean savage athlete performance mean I mean savage athlete performance mean I mean savage athlete performance machines. Let's not pretend we're the machines. Let's not pretend we're the machines. Let's not pretend we're the first generation to give a [ __ ] about first generation to give a [ __ ] about first generation to give a [ __ ] about going fast. Come on. That's so going fast. Come on. That's so going fast. Come on. That's so >> that's just not even true. >> that's just not even true. >> that's just not even true. >> So, how is the average person meant to >> So, how is the average person meant to >> So, how is the average person meant to get their head around all of all of the get their head around all of all of the get their head around all of all of the messaging that's out there on social messaging that's out there on social messaging that's out there on social media, etc. Um, around like, I just want media, etc. Um, around like, I just want media, etc. Um, around like, I just want to be healthier. I want to eat a little to be healthier. I want to eat a little to be healthier. I want to eat a little bit better. I want to feel good. I want bit better. I want to feel good. I want bit better. I want to feel good. I want to be robust. The other piece that's to be robust. The other piece that's to be robust. The other piece that's missing here is the fact that all of missing here is the fact that all of missing here is the fact that all of these things should make us more these things should make us more these things should make us more resilient and more robust. And it seems resilient and more robust. And it seems resilient and more robust. And it seems as if there's a little bit of of the as if there's a little bit of of the as if there's a little bit of of the opposite going on. Like there was that opposite going on. Like there was that opposite going on. Like there was that whole kurfuffle when Steven Bartlett whole kurfuffle when Steven Bartlett whole kurfuffle when Steven Bartlett said, "Oh, I drank and then I couldn't said, "Oh, I drank and then I couldn't said, "Oh, I drank and then I couldn't like focus for three days and it ruined like focus for three days and it ruined like focus for three days and it ruined my like like oh you if you're thrown off my like like oh you if you're thrown off my like like oh you if you're thrown off your wellness routine by a micrometer your wellness routine by a micrometer your wellness routine by a micrometer then like your whole life caves in and then like your whole life caves in and then like your whole life caves in and you're you're you can't get out of bed, you're you're you can't get out of bed, you're you're you can't get out of bed, you know, you know, you know, >> then you've never ever been at the >> then you've never ever been at the >> then you've never ever been at the pointy end of the spear. Like the whole pointy end of the spear. Like the whole pointy end of the spear. Like the whole idea is to be robust and resilient so idea is to be robust and resilient so idea is to be robust and resilient so that when you are in a position where that when you are in a position where that when you are in a position where you're not in control of your you're not in control of your you're not in control of your environment in the way that you would environment in the way that you would environment in the way that you would like, you can like roll with the punches like, you can like roll with the punches like, you can like roll with the punches and be fine. I'll give you two examples. and be fine. I'll give you two examples. and be fine. I'll give you two examples. I I love that position. Our friend Lar I I love that position. Our friend Lar I I love that position. Our friend Lar Hamilton, he's like, "Hey, if we go out Hamilton, he's like, "Hey, if we go out Hamilton, he's like, "Hey, if we go out for a long time and you bonk, you're a for a long time and you bonk, you're a for a long time and you bonk, you're a liability." What do you mean? You have liability." What do you mean? You have liability." What do you mean? You have to eat every like, you know, your watch to eat every like, you know, your watch to eat every like, you know, your watch went off glucose. like you can't just go went off glucose. like you can't just go went off glucose. like you can't just go out long. When um Jimmy Chin climbed and out long. When um Jimmy Chin climbed and out long. When um Jimmy Chin climbed and did Meu, right? This is you've probably did Meu, right? This is you've probably did Meu, right? This is you've probably seen Maru, seen Maru, seen Maru, >> the first failed attempt. They're what, >> the first failed attempt. They're what, >> the first failed attempt. They're what, like 300 meters from the top, 30 ft from like 300 meters from the top, 30 ft from like 300 meters from the top, 30 ft from the like they they have turned around. the like they they have turned around. the like they they have turned around. It's a failure, right? It's a failure, right? It's a failure, right? >> They're out of food. And you can watch >> They're out of food. And you can watch >> They're out of food. And you can watch this in documentary. What you don't this in documentary. What you don't this in documentary. What you don't know, and he told me, is that they had a know, and he told me, is that they had a know, and he told me, is that they had a third of a cliff bar a day for 4 days. third of a cliff bar a day for 4 days. third of a cliff bar a day for 4 days. They had to down climb that whole thing. They had to down climb that whole thing. They had to down climb that whole thing. And they each got a third of a cliff And they each got a third of a cliff And they each got a third of a cliff bar. So what I'm going to say to you is bar. So what I'm going to say to you is bar. So what I'm going to say to you is you get a third of a cliff bar a day for you get a third of a cliff bar a day for you get a third of a cliff bar a day for the next 3 days. Go about your life. Let the next 3 days. Go about your life. Let the next 3 days. Go about your life. Let me know how it goes. If they don't get me know how it goes. If they don't get me know how it goes. If they don't get down, they die. So this is the reality. down, they die. So this is the reality. down, they die. So this is the reality. They get to the bottom, all their food's They get to the bottom, all their food's They get to the bottom, all their food's buried. They have another 12 mile walk, buried. They have another 12 mile walk, buried. They have another 12 mile walk, something some ridiculous, right? And something some ridiculous, right? And something some ridiculous, right? And that says a lot about the capacities that says a lot about the capacities that says a lot about the capacities that you know it's not these micrometer that you know it's not these micrometer that you know it's not these micrometer little micro that's not that's not little micro that's not that's not little micro that's not that's not reality. Lar also says that if the only reality. Lar also says that if the only reality. Lar also says that if the only food we have available to us is a food we have available to us is a food we have available to us is a hamburger and you can't eat it because hamburger and you can't eat it because hamburger and you can't eat it because your knuckles are going to swell up, your knuckles are going to swell up, your knuckles are going to swell up, you're a liability. Like you can't go you're a liability. Like you can't go you're a liability. Like you can't go out and have amazing glass of wine or out and have amazing glass of wine or out and have amazing glass of wine or amazing beer or be a human being and amazing beer or be a human being and amazing beer or be a human being and partake. And I'm not going to say that partake. And I'm not going to say that partake. And I'm not going to say that that's you do whatever you want with the that's you do whatever you want with the that's you do whatever you want with the alcohol piece. The point is, you know, alcohol piece. The point is, you know, alcohol piece. The point is, you know, that if you're so fragile and you're that if you're so fragile and you're that if you're so fragile and you're off, you're not going to be able to take off, you're not going to be able to take off, you're not going to be able to take that that show dog, that show pony, and that that show dog, that show pony, and that that show dog, that show pony, and go race it Hidalgo style across the go race it Hidalgo style across the go race it Hidalgo style across the desert. You're not going to last. I'm on desert. You're not going to last. I'm on desert. You're not going to last. I'm on a training camp in Greece with a team. a training camp in Greece with a team. a training camp in Greece with a team. There's no gels. There's no bar. Like, There's no gels. There's no bar. Like, There's no gels. There's no bar. Like, you know what I did? I went down to you know what I did? I went down to you know what I did? I went down to local bodega thing and bought these €1 local bodega thing and bought these €1 local bodega thing and bought these €1 chocolate crispy wafer bars and they chocolate crispy wafer bars and they chocolate crispy wafer bars and they were €1 and they had 30 g of carbs in were €1 and they had 30 g of carbs in were €1 and they had 30 g of carbs in there and they're super palatable and we there and they're super palatable and we there and they're super palatable and we crush the [ __ ] out of those week after crush the [ __ ] out of those week after crush the [ __ ] out of those week after like day after day after day local like day after day after day local like day after day after day local what's available how do we solve this what's available how do we solve this what's available how do we solve this problem these are elite athletes let's problem these are elite athletes let's problem these are elite athletes let's make sure it's fueling and not worrying make sure it's fueling and not worrying make sure it's fueling and not worrying about it and then we'll you know we'll about it and then we'll you know we'll about it and then we'll you know we'll solve it on the back end so you know if solve it on the back end so you know if solve it on the back end so you know if we get so special and specialized and so we get so special and specialized and so we get so special and specialized and so precious us that we can't go out into precious us that we can't go out into precious us that we can't go out into the world and and make mistakes. When's the world and and make mistakes. When's the world and and make mistakes. When's the last time you bonked? Like really the last time you bonked? Like really the last time you bonked? Like really bonked. bonked. bonked. >> Well, it's been years because I haven't >> Well, it's been years because I haven't >> Well, it's been years because I haven't been able to like move my body been able to like move my body been able to like move my body adequately enough to get to the place adequately enough to get to the place adequately enough to get to the place where I could bonk, where I could bonk, where I could bonk, >> you know? But I've bonked. >> you know? But I've bonked. >> you know? But I've bonked. >> Yeah, you bonked. And you're like, I >> Yeah, you bonked. And you're like, I >> Yeah, you bonked. And you're like, I don't want to do that again. But I'm don't want to do that again. But I'm don't want to do that again. But I'm just saying that like as we talked just saying that like as we talked just saying that like as we talked earlier, when is the last time you risk earlier, when is the last time you risk earlier, when is the last time you risk something like, you know, I'm not saying something like, you know, I'm not saying something like, you know, I'm not saying we need to some misoge that we're, you we need to some misoge that we're, you we need to some misoge that we're, you know, like, but we often times are like, know, like, but we often times are like, know, like, but we often times are like, I have to do this. If you're going for a I have to do this. If you're going for a I have to do this. If you're going for a bike ride with your friends for an hour, bike ride with your friends for an hour, bike ride with your friends for an hour, >> you don't need a water bottle. You >> you don't need a water bottle. You >> you don't need a water bottle. You you'll feel better if you have some you'll feel better if you have some you'll feel better if you have some water. You know, if we're racing, I And water. You know, if we're racing, I And water. You know, if we're racing, I And if you want to reduce the session cost, if you want to reduce the session cost, if you want to reduce the session cost, yeah, drink some water. But like we you yeah, drink some water. But like we you yeah, drink some water. But like we you it doesn't have to be perfect. Stop it. it doesn't have to be perfect. Stop it. it doesn't have to be perfect. Stop it. Stop being so dressing your up in the Stop being so dressing your up in the Stop being so dressing your up in the yourself up in the cloak and the mantle yourself up in the cloak and the mantle yourself up in the cloak and the mantle of professionalism when that's not the of professionalism when that's not the of professionalism when that's not the real world because you're not elite. real world because you're not elite. real world because you're not elite. 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One of the things that's so compelling One of the things that's so compelling uh and unique about you is that you've uh and unique about you is that you've uh and unique about you is that you've worked with so many different types of worked with so many different types of worked with so many different types of athletes and sport teams. Like all kinds athletes and sport teams. Like all kinds athletes and sport teams. Like all kinds of athletes from every imaginable of athletes from every imaginable of athletes from every imaginable discipline plus special forces people discipline plus special forces people discipline plus special forces people and first responders. Like in your and first responders. Like in your and first responders. Like in your career of having worked with such a career of having worked with such a career of having worked with such a diversity of people like what are the diversity of people like what are the diversity of people like what are the what are the consistent or like parallel what are the consistent or like parallel what are the consistent or like parallel principles that you extract from all of principles that you extract from all of principles that you extract from all of them that are you know like actionable them that are you know like actionable them that are you know like actionable and applicable to the average everyday and applicable to the average everyday and applicable to the average everyday athlete. athlete. athlete. One of the most important ones is the One of the most important ones is the One of the most important ones is the ability to start again. I don't think ability to start again. I don't think ability to start again. I don't think people realize like the internet leads people realize like the internet leads people realize like the internet leads us to believe especially if you're us to believe especially if you're us to believe especially if you're watching the gym stuff, the fitness watching the gym stuff, the fitness watching the gym stuff, the fitness thing is that you just make infinite thing is that you just make infinite thing is that you just make infinite progress. This PR PR PR PR PR when progress. This PR PR PR PR PR when progress. This PR PR PR PR PR when you're a beginner. Yeah, it's true. You you're a beginner. Yeah, it's true. You you're a beginner. Yeah, it's true. You take an untrained person, you put them take an untrained person, you put them take an untrained person, you put them on the bike, they squat more, right? One on the bike, they squat more, right? One on the bike, they squat more, right? One of the most important principles that of the most important principles that of the most important principles that comes out of this is the ability to comes out of this is the ability to comes out of this is the ability to start again. The consistency is really start again. The consistency is really start again. The consistency is really amazing. We we think that sometimes amazing. We we think that sometimes amazing. We we think that sometimes people should just continue to see people should just continue to see people should just continue to see linear progression, which is just not linear progression, which is just not linear progression, which is just not the way it works. For example, in the the way it works. For example, in the the way it works. For example, in the weight room, like if I miss this weight room, like if I miss this weight room, like if I miss this workout, X will happen, you know? I'm workout, X will happen, you know? I'm workout, X will happen, you know? I'm like, really? Like, you didn't do like, really? Like, you didn't do like, really? Like, you didn't do pull-ups for a week and went on pull-ups for a week and went on pull-ups for a week and went on vacation. You thought you lost your vacation. You thought you lost your vacation. You thought you lost your gains. Like, let me introduce you to gains. Like, let me introduce you to gains. Like, let me introduce you to what actually happens in sport. We what actually happens in sport. We what actually happens in sport. We traveled to a different country. We got traveled to a different country. We got traveled to a different country. We got to compete. We had multiple games. No to compete. We had multiple games. No to compete. We had multiple games. No one was in the gym. So, the next time we one was in the gym. So, the next time we one was in the gym. So, the next time we went back to the gym, we started over went back to the gym, we started over went back to the gym, we started over again. And when we start to see that it again. And when we start to see that it again. And when we start to see that it can't just be about naked raw can't just be about naked raw can't just be about naked raw progression and strength like progression and strength like progression and strength like >> athletes starting over and over and over >> athletes starting over and over and over >> athletes starting over and over and over again. You didn't just continue to build again. You didn't just continue to build again. You didn't just continue to build off of a season at Stanford. You had an off of a season at Stanford. You had an off of a season at Stanford. You had an off season and then you hopefully took off season and then you hopefully took off season and then you hopefully took some time off and then rebuilt your body some time off and then rebuilt your body some time off and then rebuilt your body and initially in that season you were and initially in that season you were and initially in that season you were slow. You couldn't handle the volume. slow. You couldn't handle the volume. slow. You couldn't handle the volume. You started again and again. So there is You started again and again. So there is You started again and again. So there is natural periodizations that happens for natural periodizations that happens for natural periodizations that happens for professional athletes where they have an professional athletes where they have an professional athletes where they have an offseason or a downtime or they and we offseason or a downtime or they and we offseason or a downtime or they and we see that in our pro I mean this is it. I see that in our pro I mean this is it. I see that in our pro I mean this is it. I mean, basically go to the Super Bowl and mean, basically go to the Super Bowl and mean, basically go to the Super Bowl and then you need to chill. But people are then you need to chill. But people are then you need to chill. But people are treating their training like a Super treating their training like a Super treating their training like a Super Bowl weekend every weekend. Bowl weekend every weekend. Bowl weekend every weekend. >> And if there is no offseason or downtime >> And if there is no offseason or downtime >> And if there is no offseason or downtime and you're on this belief that you have and you're on this belief that you have and you're on this belief that you have to make constant progression and you to make constant progression and you to make constant progression and you can't start again, otherwise you've can't start again, otherwise you've can't start again, otherwise you've failed. That is a misunderstanding of failed. That is a misunderstanding of failed. That is a misunderstanding of how this works. We're just going to come how this works. We're just going to come how this works. We're just going to come back in and begin again and begin again. back in and begin again and begin again. back in and begin again and begin again. And as soon as you you ever been And as soon as you you ever been And as soon as you you ever been injured? Yeah. We're going to start injured? Yeah. We're going to start injured? Yeah. We're going to start again. Ever had a hot spot and couldn't again. Ever had a hot spot and couldn't again. Ever had a hot spot and couldn't compete in a thing? Yes. and we're going compete in a thing? Yes. and we're going compete in a thing? Yes. and we're going to begin again. That is one of the to begin again. That is one of the to begin again. That is one of the biggest through lines this as we look at biggest through lines this as we look at biggest through lines this as we look at this concept of you know sort of like this concept of you know sort of like this concept of you know sort of like what's what's important is central what's what's important is central what's what's important is central across all domains this raw naked across all domains this raw naked across all domains this raw naked consistency and ability to start again consistency and ability to start again consistency and ability to start again wherever I am based on what it gives us wherever I am based on what it gives us wherever I am based on what it gives us curiosity and it's not a failure you curiosity and it's not a failure you curiosity and it's not a failure you know I you it's you know I just was know I you it's you know I just was know I you it's you know I just was talking I was at a friend's wedding I talking I was at a friend's wedding I talking I was at a friend's wedding I was talking to a two-time Olympic was talking to a two-time Olympic was talking to a two-time Olympic swimmer he's pretty good he's a mutant swimmer he's pretty good he's a mutant swimmer he's pretty good he's a mutant 66 Matt target and I was telling him 66 Matt target and I was telling him 66 Matt target and I was telling him about um he's an Australian. You can about um he's an Australian. You can about um he's an Australian. You can look him up. Um I was telling him about look him up. Um I was telling him about look him up. Um I was telling him about my I'm a beginner now and and basically my I'm a beginner now and and basically my I'm a beginner now and and basically you pointed out something. I am the you pointed out something. I am the you pointed out something. I am the worst, fattest, skinniest, weakest, worst, fattest, skinniest, weakest, worst, fattest, skinniest, weakest, slowest person in every room I am. So I slowest person in every room I am. So I slowest person in every room I am. So I got to I got to got to I got to got to I got to >> I didn't say that. You made it sound >> I didn't say that. You made it sound >> I didn't say that. You made it sound like I said that to you. I did not say like I said that to you. I did not say like I said that to you. I did not say that. that. that. >> You said Kelly, you work with a lot of >> You said Kelly, you work with a lot of >> You said Kelly, you work with a lot of diverse sports. Like I am the worst diverse sports. Like I am the worst diverse sports. Like I am the worst person in the room. So it's nice to be person in the room. So it's nice to be person in the room. So it's nice to be really curious when you come in and you really curious when you come in and you really curious when you come in and you have nothing at stake because I'm not in have nothing at stake because I'm not in have nothing at stake because I'm not in my domains. I really get to be curious my domains. I really get to be curious my domains. I really get to be curious and like what's that rare and I talk to and like what's that rare and I talk to and like what's that rare and I talk to all the coaches and how when when are all the coaches and how when when are all the coaches and how when when are your off days and you know how do you your off days and you know how do you your off days and you know how do you feel your women and I'm always gathering feel your women and I'm always gathering feel your women and I'm always gathering cuz someone has solved this problem for cuz someone has solved this problem for cuz someone has solved this problem for me. So Matt said he's like I I was like me. So Matt said he's like I I was like me. So Matt said he's like I I was like hey I'm I'm working on these timed 100s. hey I'm I'm working on these timed 100s. hey I'm I'm working on these timed 100s. I want to do 10 timed 100s so that when I want to do 10 timed 100s so that when I want to do 10 timed 100s so that when we do a conditioning piece like our test we do a conditioning piece like our test we do a conditioning piece like our test set I want to get in with some of our set I want to get in with some of our set I want to get in with some of our athletes and just be able to be like I athletes and just be able to be like I athletes and just be able to be like I see you. I know what you're suffering. see you. I know what you're suffering. see you. I know what you're suffering. I'm going to do a time 50 to their 100. I'm going to do a time 50 to their 100. I'm going to do a time 50 to their 100. Maybe I'll do a 25. Like, they're so Maybe I'll do a 25. Like, they're so Maybe I'll do a 25. Like, they're so fast. fast. fast. >> But I was like, "No one told me about >> But I was like, "No one told me about >> But I was like, "No one told me about swimming with fins. Like, this is swimming with fins. Like, this is swimming with fins. Like, this is amazing." And he was like, "Bro, amazing." And he was like, "Bro, amazing." And he was like, "Bro, you cannot believe that every single you cannot believe that every single you cannot believe that every single time I got in the pool, I put fins on time I got in the pool, I put fins on time I got in the pool, I put fins on first because swimmers get in the water first because swimmers get in the water first because swimmers get in the water and they're like, I feel slow today. I and they're like, I feel slow today. I and they're like, I feel slow today. I feel sluggish. My body, right?" It takes feel sluggish. My body, right?" It takes feel sluggish. My body, right?" It takes a second to kind of come to yourself. a second to kind of come to yourself. a second to kind of come to yourself. One of the reasons One of the reasons One of the reasons >> we love movement preparation is game is >> we love movement preparation is game is >> we love movement preparation is game is to just remind yourself, who am I? How to just remind yourself, who am I? How to just remind yourself, who am I? How does it work? What's what's feeling does it work? What's what's feeling does it work? What's what's feeling today? And he's like, "I put fins on and today? And he's like, "I put fins on and today? And he's like, "I put fins on and I did my first few hundreds with fins I did my first few hundreds with fins I did my first few hundreds with fins because every time I put fins on, I'm because every time I put fins on, I'm because every time I put fins on, I'm fast." And my brain was like, "Look how fast." And my brain was like, "Look how fast." And my brain was like, "Look how fast we are." And then I took the fins fast we are." And then I took the fins fast we are." And then I took the fins off and he's like, "I'm going to have a off and he's like, "I'm going to have a off and he's like, "I'm going to have a great day cuz I'm fast." Versus getting great day cuz I'm fast." Versus getting great day cuz I'm fast." Versus getting in the pool and being like, "Whoa, in the pool and being like, "Whoa, in the pool and being like, "Whoa, I'm so slow. This is so hard." And here I'm so slow. This is so hard." And here I'm so slow. This is so hard." And here is this idea that is this idea that is this idea that >> he recognized that he couldn't say >> he recognized that he couldn't say >> he recognized that he couldn't say sustain these hu Olympic swimmer. He's a sustain these hu Olympic swimmer. He's a sustain these hu Olympic swimmer. He's a monster, but he was going to have down monster, but he was going to have down monster, but he was going to have down days. And here was a coping strategy he days. And here was a coping strategy he days. And here was a coping strategy he had where instead of getting in his own had where instead of getting in his own had where instead of getting in his own head about, wow, I hard to put out, he head about, wow, I hard to put out, he head about, wow, I hard to put out, he put fins on, felt fast, and then the put fins on, felt fast, and then the put fins on, felt fast, and then the rest of it was rest of it was rest of it was >> right. That's so interesting. Just a >> right. That's so interesting. Just a >> right. That's so interesting. Just a psychological reframe. psychological reframe. psychological reframe. >> Yeah. It's very different from waking up >> Yeah. It's very different from waking up >> Yeah. It's very different from waking up like the average person example of that like the average person example of that like the average person example of that is like waking up and then looking at is like waking up and then looking at is like waking up and then looking at your phone that is tethered to your your phone that is tethered to your your phone that is tethered to your wearable that's telling you like you're wearable that's telling you like you're wearable that's telling you like you're not awesome. not awesome. not awesome. >> You're not awesome. >> You're not awesome. >> You're not awesome. >> And then you have to go do whatever you >> And then you have to go do whatever you >> And then you have to go do whatever you have to do that day anyway. you know, have to do that day anyway. you know, have to do that day anyway. you know, despite that, which is starting your day despite that, which is starting your day despite that, which is starting your day off with that kind of messaging versus off with that kind of messaging versus off with that kind of messaging versus like how do I start my day off with like how do I start my day off with like how do I start my day off with something that feels good that gives something that feels good that gives something that feels good that gives gets me in a positive frame of mind. gets me in a positive frame of mind. gets me in a positive frame of mind. >> I think as sport has become more >> I think as sport has become more >> I think as sport has become more sophisticated and training for sport has sophisticated and training for sport has sophisticated and training for sport has become more sophisticated, become more sophisticated, become more sophisticated, the thing that continues to lag is the the thing that continues to lag is the the thing that continues to lag is the psychology. We don't have the language. psychology. We don't have the language. psychology. We don't have the language. We don't have the tools. And I'm talking We don't have the tools. And I'm talking We don't have the tools. And I'm talking about narps, non-athletic regular about narps, non-athletic regular about narps, non-athletic regular people. Like I'm just a wreck athlete. people. Like I'm just a wreck athlete. people. Like I'm just a wreck athlete. Everyone is like Everyone is like Everyone is like nonathletic nonathletic nonathletic >> regular person. That's a collegiate term >> regular person. That's a collegiate term >> regular person. That's a collegiate term that there's kids who do college sports that there's kids who do college sports that there's kids who do college sports and then everyone else they may be the and then everyone else they may be the and then everyone else they may be the best athlete in the world but they're best athlete in the world but they're best athlete in the world but they're not doing their own college sport. not doing their own college sport. not doing their own college sport. They're a narp and it's not a They're a narp and it's not a They're a narp and it's not a denigration term but just you know you denigration term but just you know you denigration term but just you know you don't have to do all this silliness. don't have to do all this silliness. don't have to do all this silliness. You're probably what we would call a You're probably what we would call a You're probably what we would call a sarp. A super athletic now regular sarp. A super athletic now regular sarp. A super athletic now regular person. I would say if we took the person. I would say if we took the person. I would say if we took the average narp and uh like me I just I average narp and uh like me I just I average narp and uh like me I just I want to be less gross for my wife. want to be less gross for my wife. want to be less gross for my wife. That's one of my physical goals. I don't That's one of my physical goals. I don't That's one of my physical goals. I don't want my wife to leave me. I want to be want my wife to leave me. I want to be want my wife to leave me. I want to be less gross. I know I'm gross. I think less gross. I know I'm gross. I think less gross. I know I'm gross. I think you're you're doing all right. you're you're doing all right. you're you're doing all right. >> Less gross is the game. >> Less gross is the game. >> Less gross is the game. >> So I'm interested in training and I love >> So I'm interested in training and I love >> So I'm interested in training and I love training and I love to exercise and play training and I love to exercise and play training and I love to exercise and play and what's my selft talk when it gets and what's my selft talk when it gets and what's my selft talk when it gets hard what do I say? So even the mental hard what do I say? So even the mental hard what do I say? So even the mental framework of how do I approach this hard framework of how do I approach this hard framework of how do I approach this hard thing that I'm going to do and then how thing that I'm going to do and then how thing that I'm going to do and then how do I actually approach that and say okay do I actually approach that and say okay do I actually approach that and say okay what's my framework for having this what's my framework for having this what's my framework for having this difficult conversation with my wife or difficult conversation with my wife or difficult conversation with my wife or my child or addressing something at work my child or addressing something at work my child or addressing something at work or grief. We're not sort of consummating or grief. We're not sort of consummating or grief. We're not sort of consummating the, you know, the experience and we're the, you know, the experience and we're the, you know, the experience and we're certainly not empowering people to have certainly not empowering people to have certainly not empowering people to have a template for even how to frame some of a template for even how to frame some of a template for even how to frame some of these the mental piece. We just were these the mental piece. We just were these the mental piece. We just were like, let me just throw as much at the like, let me just throw as much at the like, let me just throw as much at the wall and I hope it sticks and I hope I'm wall and I hope it sticks and I hope I'm wall and I hope it sticks and I hope I'm become mentally tough and I just David become mentally tough and I just David become mentally tough and I just David Gogggins the crap out of this and you Gogggins the crap out of this and you Gogggins the crap out of this and you know weakness strength is never a know weakness strength is never a know weakness strength is never a weakness and like that just doesn't weakness and like that just doesn't weakness and like that just doesn't work. It didn't really work for me. I work. It didn't really work for me. I work. It didn't really work for me. I was much more need to understand and be was much more need to understand and be was much more need to understand and be be party to the process. But the selft be party to the process. But the selft be party to the process. But the selft talk is a is a great example of of Matt talk is a is a great example of of Matt talk is a is a great example of of Matt swimming figuring out a mechanical selft swimming figuring out a mechanical selft swimming figuring out a mechanical selft talk that he got in the water he's like talk that he got in the water he's like talk that he got in the water he's like look how fast I am and already he was look how fast I am and already he was look how fast I am and already he was going to have a better workout than me going to have a better workout than me going to have a better workout than me because I got in the water and was like because I got in the water and was like because I got in the water and was like oh my god I suck today right and we need oh my god I suck today right and we need oh my god I suck today right and we need formal training in this and there are formal training in this and there are formal training in this and there are plenty of great places and and resources plenty of great places and and resources plenty of great places and and resources for this but it's the least sexy and for this but it's the least sexy and for this but it's the least sexy and it's the one that we feel like is the it's the one that we feel like is the it's the one that we feel like is the least tactical. Uh we did a workout least tactical. Uh we did a workout least tactical. Uh we did a workout earlier today. Uh for people that are earlier today. Uh for people that are earlier today. Uh for people that are watching on YouTube, you can see this is watching on YouTube, you can see this is watching on YouTube, you can see this is my home gym behind me right now. Kelly my home gym behind me right now. Kelly my home gym behind me right now. Kelly was kind enough uh to arrive very early was kind enough uh to arrive very early was kind enough uh to arrive very early this morning and put me through a few this morning and put me through a few this morning and put me through a few paces. We're going to make a video of paces. We're going to make a video of paces. We're going to make a video of that uh that we're going to be sharing. that uh that we're going to be sharing. that uh that we're going to be sharing. Um but you gave me that gift because you Um but you gave me that gift because you Um but you gave me that gift because you kind of contextualize this as as like kind of contextualize this as as like kind of contextualize this as as like you you're wiping the slate clean like you you're wiping the slate clean like you you're wiping the slate clean like you're recovering from this back you're recovering from this back you're recovering from this back surgery. You're reassembling yourself. surgery. You're reassembling yourself. surgery. You're reassembling yourself. And so every time you do something, it's And so every time you do something, it's And so every time you do something, it's a PR. You're like, you just PR, you just a PR. You're like, you just PR, you just a PR. You're like, you just PR, you just PR like reframe. Instead of like, oh my PR like reframe. Instead of like, oh my PR like reframe. Instead of like, oh my god, I can barely do this or whatever. god, I can barely do this or whatever. god, I can barely do this or whatever. You're like, no, you just you just set a You're like, no, you just you just set a You're like, no, you just you just set a new PR because we're starting from a new new PR because we're starting from a new new PR because we're starting from a new place. We've wiped the slate clean. It's place. We've wiped the slate clean. It's place. We've wiped the slate clean. It's top raza. You've rebooted the operating top raza. You've rebooted the operating top raza. You've rebooted the operating system. Everything that came before that system. Everything that came before that system. Everything that came before that burned down in the library of Alexandria burned down in the library of Alexandria burned down in the library of Alexandria a long time ago or whatever. and like a long time ago or whatever. and like a long time ago or whatever. and like we're we're thinking about this as a we're we're thinking about this as a we're we're thinking about this as a fresh start. And that just little like fresh start. And that just little like fresh start. And that just little like reframe, that little mental tweak made reframe, that little mental tweak made reframe, that little mental tweak made it a lot more fun. Can you imagine if we it a lot more fun. Can you imagine if we it a lot more fun. Can you imagine if we had that same phrase towards we if we had that same phrase towards we if we had that same phrase towards we if we took that and applied it to the took that and applied it to the took that and applied it to the curiosity, the joy? I mean, that's curiosity, the joy? I mean, that's curiosity, the joy? I mean, that's really what we're supposed to do. really what we're supposed to do. really what we're supposed to do. >> Like, and there are people in your life >> Like, and there are people in your life >> Like, and there are people in your life who are like that. You're like, they're who are like that. You're like, they're who are like that. You're like, they're always stoked. One of the common threads always stoked. One of the common threads always stoked. One of the common threads for Juliet and I and all the friends, for Juliet and I and all the friends, for Juliet and I and all the friends, the most successful people and the the most successful people and the the most successful people and the people we want to be around are the most people we want to be around are the most people we want to be around are the most stoked and they're like curious and stoked and they're like curious and stoked and they're like curious and they're fired up and they're not it's they're fired up and they're not it's they're fired up and they're not it's not polyiana, but they're just like, not polyiana, but they're just like, not polyiana, but they're just like, "Oh, I can't wait to see, you know, "Oh, I can't wait to see, you know, "Oh, I can't wait to see, you know, they're just so curious about the they're just so curious about the they're just so curious about the process." process." process." >> And if we could if we could use training >> And if we could if we could use training >> And if we could if we could use training as a way of of practicing that, then as a way of of practicing that, then as a way of of practicing that, then this all becomes physical practice. this all becomes physical practice. this all becomes physical practice. >> And theoretically, >> And theoretically, >> And theoretically, no one's going to look at your strava no one's going to look at your strava no one's going to look at your strava someday. And no one's going to be like, someday. And no one's going to be like, someday. And no one's going to be like, "Well, "Well, "Well, >> I know >> I know >> I know >> Tuesday." >> Tuesday." >> Tuesday." >> Yeah. After you pass at your funeral, >> Yeah. After you pass at your funeral, >> Yeah. After you pass at your funeral, everyone's like, "Look, well, I don't everyone's like, "Look, well, I don't everyone's like, "Look, well, I don't know. You didn't have a good day that know. You didn't have a good day that know. You didn't have a good day that day." Like, you think these things day." Like, you think these things day." Like, you think these things matter and that people care and nobody matter and that people care and nobody matter and that people care and nobody cares. cares. cares. >> And it is reasonable as a human, >> And it is reasonable as a human, >> And it is reasonable as a human, especially when we you can track it and especially when we you can track it and especially when we you can track it and see it. And see it. And see it. And >> one of the things that you haven't had a >> one of the things that you haven't had a >> one of the things that you haven't had a chance to do in a long time is chance to do in a long time is chance to do in a long time is experience beginner gains. experience beginner gains. experience beginner gains. >> And if you do something or pick up a new >> And if you do something or pick up a new >> And if you do something or pick up a new skill for the first time, you're like, skill for the first time, you're like, skill for the first time, you're like, "Whoa, put 100 pounds on my bench." And "Whoa, put 100 pounds on my bench." And "Whoa, put 100 pounds on my bench." And like, how long you been benching? 2 like, how long you been benching? 2 like, how long you been benching? 2 days, right? You can make massive days, right? You can make massive days, right? You can make massive progress with skills or physiology when progress with skills or physiology when progress with skills or physiology when you're beginning, but going from 9 to you're beginning, but going from 9 to you're beginning, but going from 9 to 10, 10, 10, >> 9.9 to 10, like that. How long did that >> 9.9 to 10, like that. How long did that >> 9.9 to 10, like that. How long did that take you to shave a second off your best take you to shave a second off your best take you to shave a second off your best time? time? time? >> One of the things that that happens >> One of the things that that happens >> One of the things that that happens progressively as you get older and you progressively as you get older and you progressively as you get older and you become more and more set in your ways is become more and more set in your ways is become more and more set in your ways is that you just want to do the things that that you just want to do the things that that you just want to do the things that you are good at. You know, like, oh, I'm you are good at. You know, like, oh, I'm you are good at. You know, like, oh, I'm good at this and I just want to get fit good at this and I just want to get fit good at this and I just want to get fit enough to be able to continue to do that enough to be able to continue to do that enough to be able to continue to do that thing. and you lose a little bit of that thing. and you lose a little bit of that thing. and you lose a little bit of that curiosity and that willingness to like curiosity and that willingness to like curiosity and that willingness to like learn a new thing and be bad at it and learn a new thing and be bad at it and learn a new thing and be bad at it and allow yourself that joyous uh experience allow yourself that joyous uh experience allow yourself that joyous uh experience of vulnerability. And when you showed up of vulnerability. And when you showed up of vulnerability. And when you showed up today, in my mind, I was thinking, today, in my mind, I was thinking, today, in my mind, I was thinking, "Okay, Kelly's going to take me through "Okay, Kelly's going to take me through "Okay, Kelly's going to take me through a workout. I can't wait to learn." I a workout. I can't wait to learn." I a workout. I can't wait to learn." I thought like he's gonna he's going to thought like he's gonna he's going to thought like he's gonna he's going to pick up these kettle bells and show me pick up these kettle bells and show me pick up these kettle bells and show me these compound movements. You know, these compound movements. You know, these compound movements. You know, Kelly's the mobility guy. He's the, you Kelly's the mobility guy. He's the, you Kelly's the mobility guy. He's the, you know, kind of uh strength and know, kind of uh strength and know, kind of uh strength and conditioning guy. Yes. But really it's conditioning guy. Yes. But really it's conditioning guy. Yes. But really it's about uh all of these more holistic about uh all of these more holistic about uh all of these more holistic complex movements that are creating a complex movements that are creating a complex movements that are creating a stable infrastructure for adventure and stable infrastructure for adventure and stable infrastructure for adventure and performance, etc. And instead, what you performance, etc. And instead, what you performance, etc. And instead, what you did is you showed up with a Frisbee, a did is you showed up with a Frisbee, a did is you showed up with a Frisbee, a tennis ball, and an orange rope. And you tennis ball, and an orange rope. And you tennis ball, and an orange rope. And you had me like swinging a rope around in a had me like swinging a rope around in a had me like swinging a rope around in a way that was confusing my brain and like way that was confusing my brain and like way that was confusing my brain and like making me catch tennis balls. And I was making me catch tennis balls. And I was making me catch tennis balls. And I was like, what are we doing here? you know, like, what are we doing here? you know, like, what are we doing here? you know, and I was bad at it. I have terrible eye and I was bad at it. I have terrible eye and I was bad at it. I have terrible eye hand coordination. My balance isn't hand coordination. My balance isn't hand coordination. My balance isn't great right now in this post surgery, great right now in this post surgery, great right now in this post surgery, uh, you know, kind of reparations period uh, you know, kind of reparations period uh, you know, kind of reparations period that I'm in. And even in on my best day, that I'm in. And even in on my best day, that I'm in. And even in on my best day, I'm not strong in these areas. But it I'm not strong in these areas. But it I'm not strong in these areas. But it was fun. Like, it was goofy and like was fun. Like, it was goofy and like was fun. Like, it was goofy and like silly and it reminded me like this is silly and it reminded me like this is silly and it reminded me like this is supposed to be fun. It's not about like supposed to be fun. It's not about like supposed to be fun. It's not about like fronting with a puffed up chest and you fronting with a puffed up chest and you fronting with a puffed up chest and you know, whatever ends up on Strava. It's know, whatever ends up on Strava. It's know, whatever ends up on Strava. It's about like falling in love with physical about like falling in love with physical about like falling in love with physical movement and doing certain things that movement and doing certain things that movement and doing certain things that are yes like setting you up for a are yes like setting you up for a are yes like setting you up for a stable, you know, uh, future of movement stable, you know, uh, future of movement stable, you know, uh, future of movement with longevity. Um, but let's not forget with longevity. Um, but let's not forget with longevity. Um, but let's not forget like why we're really doing this, you like why we're really doing this, you like why we're really doing this, you know, and that is something that is a know, and that is something that is a know, and that is something that is a mountain that has been difficult for me mountain that has been difficult for me mountain that has been difficult for me to climb because I hold these athletic to climb because I hold these athletic to climb because I hold these athletic pursuits so preciously with a certain pursuits so preciously with a certain pursuits so preciously with a certain hardness. And for me, training has hardness. And for me, training has hardness. And for me, training has always been equated with suffering, always been equated with suffering, always been equated with suffering, almost like self-punishment or like a almost like self-punishment or like a almost like self-punishment or like a tariff that I have to pay to feel worthy tariff that I have to pay to feel worthy tariff that I have to pay to feel worthy in the world. in the world. in the world. >> And my goal is to do it from a place of >> And my goal is to do it from a place of >> And my goal is to do it from a place of joy uh and and kind of transcend that joy uh and and kind of transcend that joy uh and and kind of transcend that hardness that has always accompanied my hardness that has always accompanied my hardness that has always accompanied my relationship with endurance sports for relationship with endurance sports for relationship with endurance sports for sure and swimming. sure and swimming. sure and swimming. what you just said is so beautiful and what you just said is so beautiful and what you just said is so beautiful and so important and so difficult and we so important and so difficult and we so important and so difficult and we have really sucked the joy out of the have really sucked the joy out of the have really sucked the joy out of the gym. It's become this austere place gym. It's become this austere place gym. It's become this austere place where I measure like Russian Drago doing where I measure like Russian Drago doing where I measure like Russian Drago doing his like you know and then you know his like you know and then you know his like you know and then you know Rocky's in the woods throwing logs and Rocky's in the woods throwing logs and Rocky's in the woods throwing logs and playing around and inventing and being playing around and inventing and being playing around and inventing and being creative and as allegory we need to creative and as allegory we need to creative and as allegory we need to figure out a place where we still were figure out a place where we still were figure out a place where we still were doing preparation for your back like I I doing preparation for your back like I I doing preparation for your back like I I needed to see how you were moving. Were needed to see how you were moving. Were needed to see how you were moving. Were you able to move quick? Were you able to you able to move quick? Were you able to you able to move quick? Were you able to breathe and rotate? We did a lot of very breathe and rotate? We did a lot of very breathe and rotate? We did a lot of very complex things under the guise of play. complex things under the guise of play. complex things under the guise of play. And as I get to work with other teams And as I get to work with other teams And as I get to work with other teams and and other cultures, one of the and and other cultures, one of the and and other cultures, one of the things that we see is this has got to be things that we see is this has got to be things that we see is this has got to be a joy. If it's going to be a sustainable a joy. If it's going to be a sustainable a joy. If it's going to be a sustainable experience, we better go and have fun. experience, we better go and have fun. experience, we better go and have fun. >> Uh, you know, I mentioned that um, you >> Uh, you know, I mentioned that um, you >> Uh, you know, I mentioned that um, you know, I I get to go and travel. I'm the know, I I get to go and travel. I'm the know, I I get to go and travel. I'm the performance director, performance lead performance director, performance lead performance director, performance lead for this water polo team in college, and for this water polo team in college, and for this water polo team in college, and I I travel with them, but I'm also in I I travel with them, but I'm also in I I travel with them, but I'm also in charge of their warm-ups. And um our charge of their warm-ups. And um our charge of their warm-ups. And um our games warm-ups are gnarly. We'll wrestle games warm-ups are gnarly. We'll wrestle games warm-ups are gnarly. We'll wrestle on an exhale breath hold. Like I have on an exhale breath hold. Like I have on an exhale breath hold. Like I have women like before the national women like before the national women like before the national championship. We're locked up. We championship. We're locked up. We championship. We're locked up. We exhale. The girls are fighting and we're exhale. The girls are fighting and we're exhale. The girls are fighting and we're and the laughing, the attrainment, the and the laughing, the attrainment, the and the laughing, the attrainment, the listening. We're dialed in together. I listening. We're dialed in together. I listening. We're dialed in together. I created um I really love the hakka. created um I really love the hakka. created um I really love the hakka. Every time I see a hakka, you know, this Every time I see a hakka, you know, this Every time I see a hakka, you know, this it it hits me someplace. it it hits me someplace. it it hits me someplace. >> I wish that I had that. I will tell >> I wish that I had that. I will tell >> I wish that I had that. I will tell everyone that if you want to cry, everyone that if you want to cry, everyone that if you want to cry, there's an a wedding video where in New there's an a wedding video where in New there's an a wedding video where in New Zealand the the men perform a haka for Zealand the the men perform a haka for Zealand the the men perform a haka for the bride and groom. And every single the bride and groom. And every single the bride and groom. And every single time it just makes me weep because of time it just makes me weep because of time it just makes me weep because of just this intensity and what's going on. just this intensity and what's going on. just this intensity and what's going on. having a chance to work with the All having a chance to work with the All having a chance to work with the All Blacks, um, spend some time with them, Blacks, um, spend some time with them, Blacks, um, spend some time with them, you know, they would do the haka and you know, they would do the haka and you know, they would do the haka and then they'd actually have to go in and then they'd actually have to go in and then they'd actually have to go in and chill out because they were too revved chill out because they were too revved chill out because they were too revved up and they would play terribly. So, up and they would play terribly. So, up and they would play terribly. So, they would be like, "Ah," and then, they would be like, "Ah," and then, they would be like, "Ah," and then, "Okay, too much. Let's go." But I "Okay, too much. Let's go." But I "Okay, too much. Let's go." But I recognized recognized recognized >> I thought that was the point to get >> I thought that was the point to get >> I thought that was the point to get >> too much, too, like make mistakes. But I >> too much, too, like make mistakes. But I >> too much, too, like make mistakes. But I recognized that like our team needed recognized that like our team needed recognized that like our team needed that thing and we're not Mauy. We're not that thing and we're not Mauy. We're not that thing and we're not Mauy. We're not traditional indigenous New Zealand traditional indigenous New Zealand traditional indigenous New Zealand people and so we're not going to do a people and so we're not going to do a people and so we're not going to do a haka cuz that would be inappropriate. haka cuz that would be inappropriate. haka cuz that would be inappropriate. >> But I was like, what could we do? And we >> But I was like, what could we do? And we >> But I was like, what could we do? And we we circle everyone up and we try to do we circle everyone up and we try to do we circle everyone up and we try to do it in a place where we own the place. So it in a place where we own the place. So it in a place where we own the place. So we've done our official warm-up and then we've done our official warm-up and then we've done our official warm-up and then we're on the pool deck and we're about we're on the pool deck and we're about we're on the pool deck and we're about to do our swim warm-up and one of our to do our swim warm-up and one of our to do our swim warm-up and one of our seniors goes in the middle and she yells seniors goes in the middle and she yells seniors goes in the middle and she yells the word hell as loud as she can and the word hell as loud as she can and the word hell as loud as she can and everyone just goes, "Yeah." everyone just goes, "Yeah." everyone just goes, "Yeah." And it's just back and forth. Hell, And it's just back and forth. Hell, And it's just back and forth. Hell, yeah. Hell, yeah. Yeah. And what we have yeah. Hell, yeah. Yeah. And what we have yeah. Hell, yeah. Yeah. And what we have is this moment where all of these women is this moment where all of these women is this moment where all of these women are locked in, prepped, and the are locked in, prepped, and the are locked in, prepped, and the affirmation where you say, "Yeah, yeah, affirmation where you say, "Yeah, yeah, affirmation where you say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." And you're looking at your yeah." And you're looking at your yeah." And you're looking at your friends in the eye. friends in the eye. friends in the eye. We're unbeatable. We might lose, but we We're unbeatable. We might lose, but we We're unbeatable. We might lose, but we are unbeatable. And are unbeatable. And are unbeatable. And the metaphor here or the story here, the the metaphor here or the story here, the the metaphor here or the story here, the moral is that's how I want this to leave moral is that's how I want this to leave moral is that's how I want this to leave us. I want it to leave us so that we go us. I want it to leave us so that we go us. I want it to leave us so that we go out into the world and we're better out into the world and we're better out into the world and we're better people. That we're we've gotten out our people. That we're we've gotten out our people. That we're we've gotten out our demons and we sweat our heart. There's demons and we sweat our heart. There's demons and we sweat our heart. There's still time to do intervals. I'm not like still time to do intervals. I'm not like still time to do intervals. I'm not like if my training is difficult. If you do if my training is difficult. If you do if my training is difficult. If you do my programming, which I hope you'll my programming, which I hope you'll my programming, which I hope you'll you'll jump into, you're going to be you'll jump into, you're going to be you'll jump into, you're going to be like, Kelly is a terrible person. like, Kelly is a terrible person. like, Kelly is a terrible person. >> He doesn't care for my well-being. And >> He doesn't care for my well-being. And >> He doesn't care for my well-being. And simultaneously, I want us to feel like simultaneously, I want us to feel like simultaneously, I want us to feel like we can go out and we just have to remove we can go out and we just have to remove we can go out and we just have to remove some of this stigma. One or zero, I'm a some of this stigma. One or zero, I'm a some of this stigma. One or zero, I'm a failure. And that begins with a a failure. And that begins with a a failure. And that begins with a a self-practice. self-practice. self-practice. >> Yeah. 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I may have been approached about being part of have been approached about being part of have been approached about being part of that. Professionally, I couldn't touch that. Professionally, I couldn't touch that. Professionally, I couldn't touch it and wouldn't touch it. I had two it and wouldn't touch it. I had two it and wouldn't touch it. I had two friends who are Olympic lifters. One of friends who are Olympic lifters. One of friends who are Olympic lifters. One of them is an Olympian. One of them was them is an Olympian. One of them was them is an Olympian. One of them was real good who went in and parttook. And real good who went in and parttook. And real good who went in and parttook. And I loved it for them because they got to I loved it for them because they got to I loved it for them because they got to make a living Olympic lifting after make a living Olympic lifting after make a living Olympic lifting after their retirement. Right. their retirement. Right. their retirement. Right. And what I would say is, did you watch And what I would say is, did you watch And what I would say is, did you watch uh the documentary um about the cyclist uh the documentary um about the cyclist uh the documentary um about the cyclist who discovers the crazy doping thing in who discovers the crazy doping thing in who discovers the crazy doping thing in Russia? Russia? Russia? >> Yeah, Icarus. >> Yeah, Icarus. >> Yeah, Icarus. >> So >> So >> So >> So I had him on the show. >> So I had him on the show. >> So I had him on the show. >> He's amazing. And that story is amazing. >> He's amazing. And that story is amazing. >> He's amazing. And that story is amazing. But when that movie came out, I was But when that movie came out, I was But when that movie came out, I was working with a cyclist, a professional working with a cyclist, a professional working with a cyclist, a professional tour to France cyclist, and I told him, tour to France cyclist, and I told him, tour to France cyclist, and I told him, I was like, "Hey, have you heard about I was like, "Hey, have you heard about I was like, "Hey, have you heard about this?" And this?" And this?" And >> and he's like, "Let me guess. He did all >> and he's like, "Let me guess. He did all >> and he's like, "Let me guess. He did all the drugs and he went slower." And I was the drugs and he went slower." And I was the drugs and he went slower." And I was like, "Yeah." And he's like, "It's like, "Yeah." And he's like, "It's like, "Yeah." And he's like, "It's because it's never just that." And he because it's never just that." And he because it's never just that." And he wasn't elite. And so he sometimes we can wasn't elite. And so he sometimes we can wasn't elite. And so he sometimes we can tell our stories that I could have been tell our stories that I could have been tell our stories that I could have been great if this thing didn't happen to me. great if this thing didn't happen to me. great if this thing didn't happen to me. And I was because someone else had And I was because someone else had And I was because someone else had something. And the point of this is something. And the point of this is something. And the point of this is drugs and performance drugs have always drugs and performance drugs have always drugs and performance drugs have always let the best athletes in the world work let the best athletes in the world work let the best athletes in the world work harder and recover fresher so they can harder and recover fresher so they can harder and recover fresher so they can work harder. They were never shortcuts. work harder. They were never shortcuts. work harder. They were never shortcuts. Never have been shortcuts. And now we're Never have been shortcuts. And now we're Never have been shortcuts. And now we're recognizing that there are places and in recognizing that there are places and in recognizing that there are places and in methodologies and systems that doesn't methodologies and systems that doesn't methodologies and systems that doesn't even require us to do that. even require us to do that. even require us to do that. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I think there's an opening when someone >> I think there's an opening when someone >> I think there's an opening when someone has a really bad injury. has a really bad injury. has a really bad injury. Should we be able to avail ourselves of Should we be able to avail ourselves of Should we be able to avail ourselves of modern pharmaceuticals to repair this modern pharmaceuticals to repair this modern pharmaceuticals to repair this person? That's a different conversation. person? That's a different conversation. person? That's a different conversation. You know, like uh you know, there was a You know, like uh you know, there was a You know, like uh you know, there was a famous football player who got popped famous football player who got popped famous football player who got popped for taking HGH at quarterback, right? for taking HGH at quarterback, right? for taking HGH at quarterback, right? and because his neck was destroyed and and because his neck was destroyed and and because his neck was destroyed and I'm like, "Wow, if he's the marquee of I'm like, "Wow, if he's the marquee of I'm like, "Wow, if he's the marquee of my team and he's on human growth hormone my team and he's on human growth hormone my team and he's on human growth hormone so that he can repair this thing on his so that he can repair this thing on his so that he can repair this thing on his neck." I'm like, "So that he can stop neck." I'm like, "So that he can stop neck." I'm like, "So that he can stop that and then go back and do his job." that and then go back and do his job." that and then go back and do his job." >> Is there a morality? And already the NFL >> Is there a morality? And already the NFL >> Is there a morality? And already the NFL is is entertainment anyway, right? is is entertainment anyway, right? is is entertainment anyway, right? >> Yeah. I mean, that is a serious gray >> Yeah. I mean, that is a serious gray >> Yeah. I mean, that is a serious gray area. I think it speaks to many things. area. I think it speaks to many things. area. I think it speaks to many things. I mean, first of all, let me just say I mean, first of all, let me just say I mean, first of all, let me just say that I agree with you that the enhanced that I agree with you that the enhanced that I agree with you that the enhanced games provided well-deserving athletes games provided well-deserving athletes games provided well-deserving athletes with the opportunity to actually be with the opportunity to actually be with the opportunity to actually be fairly compensated for their gifts. And fairly compensated for their gifts. And fairly compensated for their gifts. And I appreciate that. And I think that I appreciate that. And I think that I appreciate that. And I think that athletes who signed up to participate in athletes who signed up to participate in athletes who signed up to participate in it and were able to be remunerated in it and were able to be remunerated in it and were able to be remunerated in that way, like good for them. You know that way, like good for them. You know that way, like good for them. You know what I mean? Like they've been taken what I mean? Like they've been taken what I mean? Like they've been taken advantage of for way too long. There's advantage of for way too long. There's advantage of for way too long. There's been gigantic organizations that have been gigantic organizations that have been gigantic organizations that have leveraged athletes for their own gain leveraged athletes for their own gain leveraged athletes for their own gain and athletes are always at the bottom of and athletes are always at the bottom of and athletes are always at the bottom of the food chain and this was an the food chain and this was an the food chain and this was an opportunity for them to actually make opportunity for them to actually make opportunity for them to actually make decent money. So, decent money. So, decent money. So, >> and I would say that's fantastic. >> and I would say that's fantastic. >> and I would say that's fantastic. >> They did the wrong thing for the right >> They did the wrong thing for the right >> They did the wrong thing for the right reason. That's what I would say. So, I reason. That's what I would say. So, I reason. That's what I would say. So, I guess I can also understand an athlete guess I can also understand an athlete guess I can also understand an athlete in the twilight of their career who's in the twilight of their career who's in the twilight of their career who's being thrown a lifeline to get up on a being thrown a lifeline to get up on a being thrown a lifeline to get up on a stage and, you know, do their thing in stage and, you know, do their thing in stage and, you know, do their thing in front of a lot of people and make that front of a lot of people and make that front of a lot of people and make that bargain for themselves. I think that's a bargain for themselves. I think that's a bargain for themselves. I think that's a personal decision and I have no judgment personal decision and I have no judgment personal decision and I have no judgment on that. But I think the broader point on that. But I think the broader point on that. But I think the broader point that I want to make or explore with you that I want to make or explore with you that I want to make or explore with you has nothing to do with like good or bad has nothing to do with like good or bad has nothing to do with like good or bad or judgment. It's more a reflection of or judgment. It's more a reflection of or judgment. It's more a reflection of where our culture is at right now. It's where our culture is at right now. It's where our culture is at right now. It's a very different relationship with what a very different relationship with what a very different relationship with what we would traditionally call peeds we would traditionally call peeds we would traditionally call peeds because of things like peptides and even because of things like peptides and even because of things like peptides and even to your point human growth hormone. Like to your point human growth hormone. Like to your point human growth hormone. Like a somebody who just wants to repair a somebody who just wants to repair a somebody who just wants to repair their neck like is that a perform like their neck like is that a perform like their neck like is that a perform like should they be barred for life because should they be barred for life because should they be barred for life because in the offseason when they were injured in the offseason when they were injured in the offseason when they were injured they needed something to like help them they needed something to like help them they needed something to like help them improve their recovery. That's a improve their recovery. That's a improve their recovery. That's a conversation that you know has valid conversation that you know has valid conversation that you know has valid points on both sides of it. Um, but I points on both sides of it. Um, but I points on both sides of it. Um, but I think we're entering an era uh in which think we're entering an era uh in which think we're entering an era uh in which we're developing a different cultural we're developing a different cultural we're developing a different cultural relationship with these things. It's relationship with these things. It's relationship with these things. It's normal. Yeah. Like the enhanced games normal. Yeah. Like the enhanced games normal. Yeah. Like the enhanced games normalizes this use which was the entire normalizes this use which was the entire normalizes this use which was the entire reason for doing it because this reason for doing it because this reason for doing it because this corporation that put it it's a private, corporation that put it it's a private, corporation that put it it's a private, you know, entity. It's unregulated. Like you know, entity. It's unregulated. Like you know, entity. It's unregulated. Like they want to sell their enhancements. they want to sell their enhancements. they want to sell their enhancements. Like that's the entire value. That was Like that's the entire value. That was Like that's the entire value. That was why they they're doing this. But when why they they're doing this. But when why they they're doing this. But when you reflect upon the self- optimization you reflect upon the self- optimization you reflect upon the self- optimization culture and kind of obsession and culture and kind of obsession and culture and kind of obsession and fascination that we have right now and fascination that we have right now and fascination that we have right now and then you look at these then you look at these then you look at these >> biochemical developments >> biochemical developments >> biochemical developments where people normal people are using where people normal people are using where people normal people are using these things these things these things >> unregulated, unmanaged, unsupported >> unregulated, unmanaged, unsupported >> unregulated, unmanaged, unsupported like garage gym. Let me just work this like garage gym. Let me just work this like garage gym. Let me just work this out. Like holy [ __ ] out. Like holy [ __ ] out. Like holy [ __ ] >> But now it's sort of out in the open, >> But now it's sort of out in the open, >> But now it's sort of out in the open, you know? It's not the guy in the locker you know? It's not the guy in the locker you know? It's not the guy in the locker room at Gold's Gym who's secretly room at Gold's Gym who's secretly room at Gold's Gym who's secretly handing the bodybuilder a bag when no handing the bodybuilder a bag when no handing the bodybuilder a bag when no one's looking. Like it's out in the one's looking. Like it's out in the one's looking. Like it's out in the open. It's commerce on the internet and open. It's commerce on the internet and open. It's commerce on the internet and it's being broadcast and live streamed it's being broadcast and live streamed it's being broadcast and live streamed through the enhanced games. And that is, through the enhanced games. And that is, through the enhanced games. And that is, you know, to again use the word trickle you know, to again use the word trickle you know, to again use the word trickle down like how does that trickle down down like how does that trickle down down like how does that trickle down into the 40year-old guy who is still into the 40year-old guy who is still into the 40year-old guy who is still remembering how he could throw a remembering how he could throw a remembering how he could throw a touchdown pass and wishes he could do it touchdown pass and wishes he could do it touchdown pass and wishes he could do it again. You know what I mean? And is that again. You know what I mean? And is that again. You know what I mean? And is that is that a bad thing? Is it a good thing? is that a bad thing? Is it a good thing? is that a bad thing? Is it a good thing? How should we be thinking about these How should we be thinking about these How should we be thinking about these things? How should the 14-year-old things? How should the 14-year-old things? How should the 14-year-old aspirant athlete be thinking about his aspirant athlete be thinking about his aspirant athlete be thinking about his relationship to sport and you know his relationship to sport and you know his relationship to sport and you know his future as an athlete in the context of future as an athlete in the context of future as an athlete in the context of what that person is seeing online right what that person is seeing online right what that person is seeing online right now. Let me make two points. One is when now. Let me make two points. One is when now. Let me make two points. One is when I met my wife Juliet, we were at the I met my wife Juliet, we were at the I met my wife Juliet, we were at the World Championships for whitewater World Championships for whitewater World Championships for whitewater paddling sponsored by Camel Cigarette paddling sponsored by Camel Cigarette paddling sponsored by Camel Cigarette South Africa. South Africa. South Africa. >> Yeah, cuz Camel used to sponsor like all >> Yeah, cuz Camel used to sponsor like all >> Yeah, cuz Camel used to sponsor like all these like Raid and like I think even these like Raid and like I think even these like Raid and like I think even like some of these adventure races and like some of these adventure races and like some of these adventure races and stuff like that which is so hilarious. I stuff like that which is so hilarious. I stuff like that which is so hilarious. I obviously was so obviously was so obviously was so evolved that I was like, I'm not going evolved that I was like, I'm not going evolved that I was like, I'm not going to take a free trip to Chile as a broke to take a free trip to Chile as a broke to take a free trip to Chile as a broke slalom athlete in a sport no one cares slalom athlete in a sport no one cares slalom athlete in a sport no one cares about and promote this cigarette brand. about and promote this cigarette brand. about and promote this cigarette brand. Like that didn't even occur to me. And I Like that didn't even occur to me. And I Like that didn't even occur to me. And I will say that we're on the same slope will say that we're on the same slope will say that we're on the same slope here, right? And there were stacks of here, right? And there were stacks of here, right? And there were stacks of cigarettes on the table every dinner and cigarettes on the table every dinner and cigarettes on the table every dinner and we would take them and then bribe our we would take them and then bribe our we would take them and then bribe our way through South America with way through South America with way through South America with cigarettes. So on one level I want to cigarettes. So on one level I want to cigarettes. So on one level I want to say that you know that athlete position say that you know that athlete position say that you know that athlete position is really untenable. I'm broke. How do I is really untenable. I'm broke. How do I is really untenable. I'm broke. How do I have health insurance? How do I you know have health insurance? How do I you know have health insurance? How do I you know the system hasn't set me up to to the system hasn't set me up to to the system hasn't set me up to to retire? So that that's a thing. The real retire? So that that's a thing. The real retire? So that that's a thing. The real question here and I think what's question here and I think what's question here and I think what's interesting is well let's apply that interesting is well let's apply that interesting is well let's apply that logic. So the enhanced games everyone's logic. So the enhanced games everyone's logic. So the enhanced games everyone's over 18, everyone's consenting. Duh. But over 18, everyone's consenting. Duh. But over 18, everyone's consenting. Duh. But if we take that to nicotine, if we take that to nicotine, if we take that to nicotine, we are seeing an epidemic of young we are seeing an epidemic of young we are seeing an epidemic of young people, young athletes take buying Zins, people, young athletes take buying Zins, people, young athletes take buying Zins, using Zins, using these pouch nicotines, using Zins, using these pouch nicotines, using Zins, using these pouch nicotines, massive amounts of these huge energy massive amounts of these huge energy massive amounts of these huge energy drinks with huge amounts of and what drinks with huge amounts of and what drinks with huge amounts of and what we're seeing is sort of the greenwashing we're seeing is sort of the greenwashing we're seeing is sort of the greenwashing of it, but it's called sportwashing. of it, but it's called sportwashing. of it, but it's called sportwashing. >> And I think that's what the the enhanced >> And I think that's what the the enhanced >> And I think that's what the the enhanced games did. sportwashed a lot of these games did. sportwashed a lot of these games did. sportwashed a lot of these sort of gray areas, untested, sort of gray areas, untested, sort of gray areas, untested, unregulated unregulated unregulated things. And I'm not saying that things. And I'm not saying that things. And I'm not saying that everything they did was I know they were everything they did was I know they were everything they did was I know they were under the care of physician and under the care of physician and under the care of physician and testosterone is a great safe supplement testosterone is a great safe supplement testosterone is a great safe supplement for the right person. However, you're for the right person. However, you're for the right person. However, you're right. When you have a generation of right. When you have a generation of right. When you have a generation of kids, what's our morality? What are our kids, what's our morality? What are our kids, what's our morality? What are our ethics towards this generation? What are ethics towards this generation? What are ethics towards this generation? What are we normalizing in terms of again, you we normalizing in terms of again, you we normalizing in terms of again, you think that you're elite, but you're not think that you're elite, but you're not think that you're elite, but you're not elite because you just didn't do the elite because you just didn't do the elite because you just didn't do the thing? thing? thing? >> Mh. And we in the case of when we see >> Mh. And we in the case of when we see >> Mh. And we in the case of when we see influencers talking about the influencers talking about the influencers talking about the neotropics, the effects of brain focus neotropics, the effects of brain focus neotropics, the effects of brain focus and then kids at college and again this and then kids at college and again this and then kids at college and again this is firsthand witnessing this isn't is firsthand witnessing this isn't is firsthand witnessing this isn't second. We're seeing the use of these second. We're seeing the use of these second. We're seeing the use of these zins among college athletes is zins among college athletes is zins among college athletes is astounding and where kids are packing astounding and where kids are packing astounding and where kids are packing multiple 15 milligrams which is like multiple 15 milligrams which is like multiple 15 milligrams which is like pack of cigarettes in your mouth. And uh pack of cigarettes in your mouth. And uh pack of cigarettes in your mouth. And uh they do that multiple times a day and they do that multiple times a day and they do that multiple times a day and highly addictive, but so and so highly addictive, but so and so highly addictive, but so and so influencer told me it was safe and good influencer told me it was safe and good influencer told me it was safe and good for my brain and I'm optimized. And so for my brain and I'm optimized. And so for my brain and I'm optimized. And so the really we don't have this filter. the really we don't have this filter. the really we don't have this filter. Meanwhile, the gum disease, the the Meanwhile, the gum disease, the the Meanwhile, the gum disease, the the heart problems of this huge amounts of heart problems of this huge amounts of heart problems of this huge amounts of nicotine. nicotine. nicotine. >> This is the same conversation and one >> This is the same conversation and one >> This is the same conversation and one it's worth worth having. Um do I think it's worth worth having. Um do I think it's worth worth having. Um do I think we will learn anything from the what did we will learn anything from the what did we will learn anything from the what did we learn from the we were entertained. we learn from the we were entertained. we learn from the we were entertained. We saw old We saw old We saw old >> gladiators. It was the coliseum. It was >> gladiators. It was the coliseum. It was >> gladiators. It was the coliseum. It was the coliseum. the coliseum. the coliseum. >> It's the new coliseum. It seems to be of >> It's the new coliseum. It seems to be of >> It's the new coliseum. It seems to be of two minds. Either the lackluster two minds. Either the lackluster two minds. Either the lackluster performances are a commentary on the performances are a commentary on the performances are a commentary on the fact that everybody at an elite level is fact that everybody at an elite level is fact that everybody at an elite level is on these things and that's why the on these things and that's why the on these things and that's why the performances at the enhanced games were performances at the enhanced games were performances at the enhanced games were not so impressive. Uh or it's that they not so impressive. Uh or it's that they not so impressive. Uh or it's that they don't really work in the way that we don't really work in the way that we don't really work in the way that we thought they did. But and maybe those thought they did. But and maybe those thought they did. But and maybe those athletes needed I believe these athletes athletes needed I believe these athletes athletes needed I believe these athletes were only on like a 2 and 1/2 month were only on like a 2 and 1/2 month were only on like a 2 and 1/2 month protocol or something like that. So you protocol or something like that. So you protocol or something like that. So you know listen you need to train on these know listen you need to train on these know listen you need to train on these things for a longer period of time I things for a longer period of time I things for a longer period of time I think to reap the benefits. I don't think to reap the benefits. I don't think to reap the benefits. I don't know. But know. But know. But >> in Canada, I have heard firsthand from >> in Canada, I have heard firsthand from >> in Canada, I have heard firsthand from people's families that elderly people people's families that elderly people people's families that elderly people going to do a big ad adventure, the going to do a big ad adventure, the going to do a big ad adventure, the doctor would be like, "Let's put you on doctor would be like, "Let's put you on doctor would be like, "Let's put you on HGH for 6 weeks." And they' prescribe HGH for 6 weeks." And they' prescribe HGH for 6 weeks." And they' prescribe it. And this person was able to go be an it. And this person was able to go be an it. And this person was able to go be an adventurer, have less pain, come out adventurer, have less pain, come out adventurer, have less pain, come out because the doctor prescribed a course because the doctor prescribed a course because the doctor prescribed a course of HGH for six weeks. I'm like, that is of HGH for six weeks. I'm like, that is of HGH for six weeks. I'm like, that is the best use of a PE I've ever had. the best use of a PE I've ever had. the best use of a PE I've ever had. grandma went hiking in the mountains grandma went hiking in the mountains grandma went hiking in the mountains like that's that's awesome. like that's that's awesome. like that's that's awesome. >> That is not the same thing of what we're >> That is not the same thing of what we're >> That is not the same thing of what we're talking about here. And when talking about here. And when talking about here. And when particularly first principles are particularly first principles are particularly first principles are displaced and the message is I don't displaced and the message is I don't displaced and the message is I don't have to do this work and I don't have to have to do this work and I don't have to have to do this work and I don't have to put in this time and I don't have to do put in this time and I don't have to do put in this time and I don't have to do all these things and I'm don't have to all these things and I'm don't have to all these things and I'm don't have to be genetically gifted then it cheapens be genetically gifted then it cheapens be genetically gifted then it cheapens this experience. It cheap it definitely this experience. It cheap it definitely this experience. It cheap it definitely cheapens and I'll tell you it's real cheapens and I'll tell you it's real cheapens and I'll tell you it's real hard to use perent drugs these days. hard to use perent drugs these days. hard to use perent drugs these days. hard. The biological passport is real hard. The biological passport is real hard. The biological passport is real good. And you're seeing there are good. And you're seeing there are good. And you're seeing there are countries we won't name, but you can countries we won't name, but you can countries we won't name, but you can imagine that these countries go dark, imagine that these countries go dark, imagine that these countries go dark, they train up, then their athletes they train up, then their athletes they train up, then their athletes become mutants, and then they come back become mutants, and then they come back become mutants, and then they come back to the Olympics. And we see that happen to the Olympics. And we see that happen to the Olympics. And we see that happen for sure. So drugs in sport, if there's for sure. So drugs in sport, if there's for sure. So drugs in sport, if there's an incentive, um Caster Semenya is a an incentive, um Caster Semenya is a an incentive, um Caster Semenya is a great example. great example. great example. >> She is the biological woman who had a >> She is the biological woman who had a >> She is the biological woman who had a high she's, you know, high natural high she's, you know, high natural high she's, you know, high natural testosterone. testosterone. testosterone. the track and field was like, "No, you the track and field was like, "No, you the track and field was like, "No, you can't run the 800, right? You're you can can't run the 800, right? You're you can can't run the 800, right? You're you can run a longer distance. We can't run the run a longer distance. We can't run the run a longer distance. We can't run the 800." So, and I was like, "This is 800." So, and I was like, "This is 800." So, and I was like, "This is crazy." You know, and I went and watched crazy." You know, and I went and watched crazy." You know, and I went and watched her run at the pre-fontaine. And she was her run at the pre-fontaine. And she was her run at the pre-fontaine. And she was tiny. She was a tiny woman. I literally tiny. She was a tiny woman. I literally tiny. She was a tiny woman. I literally was like disappointed. I was like, "Oh, was like disappointed. I was like, "Oh, was like disappointed. I was like, "Oh, I thought I was going to see some hulked I thought I was going to see some hulked I thought I was going to see some hulked up person. She doesn't even have any of up person. She doesn't even have any of up person. She doesn't even have any of the top eight 100 meter times in the the top eight 100 meter times in the the top eight 100 meter times in the world. Those are all done by East German world. Those are all done by East German world. Those are all done by East German women in the peak, you know, phase. So women in the peak, you know, phase. So women in the peak, you know, phase. So it is not a level playing field if you it is not a level playing field if you it is not a level playing field if you chose the wrong parents and have the chose the wrong parents and have the chose the wrong parents and have the wrong genetics and the wrong motivation wrong genetics and the wrong motivation wrong genetics and the wrong motivation and the wrong coaching and you get and the wrong coaching and you get and the wrong coaching and you get injured like it's not that we're never injured like it's not that we're never injured like it's not that we're never it's never been a level it's never been a level it's never been a level >> if you're a swimmer and you have size 15 >> if you're a swimmer and you have size 15 >> if you're a swimmer and you have size 15 ft ft ft >> that's probably going to inure to your >> that's probably going to inure to your >> that's probably going to inure to your benefit benefit benefit >> right that there are some people and >> right that there are some people and >> right that there are some people and bodies that just are freakish and bodies that just are freakish and bodies that just are freakish and simultaneously simultaneously simultaneously I guess we have to ask the question what I guess we have to ask the question what I guess we have to ask the question what is it we value as a culture culture, is it we value as a culture culture, is it we value as a culture culture, you know, how do we protect those you know, how do we protect those you know, how do we protect those innocents innocents innocents so they can come through and make good so they can come through and make good so they can come through and make good decisions for themselves? And there's um decisions for themselves? And there's um decisions for themselves? And there's um Allen Lim again, we're coming back to Allen Lim again, we're coming back to Allen Lim again, we're coming back to him. He has a great saying is you cannot him. He has a great saying is you cannot him. He has a great saying is you cannot cheat your biology. Full stop. You cheat your biology. Full stop. You cheat your biology. Full stop. You cannot cheat your biology. cannot cheat your biology. cannot cheat your biology. >> Your physiology cannot be cheated. You >> Your physiology cannot be cheated. You >> Your physiology cannot be cheated. You don't get something for nothing. don't get something for nothing. don't get something for nothing. As somebody who's parented uh young As somebody who's parented uh young As somebody who's parented uh young athletes through this confusing world, athletes through this confusing world, athletes through this confusing world, what is the message that you have for what is the message that you have for what is the message that you have for the parents out there who are trying to the parents out there who are trying to the parents out there who are trying to make good decisions for their kids who make good decisions for their kids who make good decisions for their kids who they know are seeing all kinds of they know are seeing all kinds of they know are seeing all kinds of strange stuff on social media. There's strange stuff on social media. There's strange stuff on social media. There's so many fitness influencers out there so many fitness influencers out there so many fitness influencers out there and such a push around aesthetics and and such a push around aesthetics and and such a push around aesthetics and that doesn't even consider like this that doesn't even consider like this that doesn't even consider like this whole new world of enhancements and all whole new world of enhancements and all whole new world of enhancements and all this sort of stuff that is like this sort of stuff that is like this sort of stuff that is like filtering into the awareness of the mind filtering into the awareness of the mind filtering into the awareness of the mind that is not even fully formed. So, how that is not even fully formed. So, how that is not even fully formed. So, how do you help your kids make good do you help your kids make good do you help your kids make good decisions when they're being impulsed decisions when they're being impulsed decisions when they're being impulsed and influenced in in in those ways on and influenced in in in those ways on and influenced in in in those ways on these addictive supercomputers that we these addictive supercomputers that we these addictive supercomputers that we all have? all have? all have? >> Someone can probably control some things >> Someone can probably control some things >> Someone can probably control some things in their household, not every household, in their household, not every household, in their household, not every household, and that's not even and that's not even and that's not even Do your kids eat breakfast? Do you eat Do your kids eat breakfast? Do you eat Do your kids eat breakfast? Do you eat dinners together? Are you fueling with dinners together? Are you fueling with dinners together? Are you fueling with whole foods? Did your kids even eat a whole foods? Did your kids even eat a whole foods? Did your kids even eat a vegetable or a fruit today? Chances are vegetable or a fruit today? Chances are vegetable or a fruit today? Chances are not. Um, you know, where's their not. Um, you know, where's their not. Um, you know, where's their caffeine consumption? Can you help say, caffeine consumption? Can you help say, caffeine consumption? Can you help say, "Hey, we go to bed at 11:00 because we "Hey, we go to bed at 11:00 because we "Hey, we go to bed at 11:00 because we wake up at 7:00. That means lights are wake up at 7:00. That means lights are wake up at 7:00. That means lights are off at 7:00." 11:00, we all agree. You off at 7:00." 11:00, we all agree. You off at 7:00." 11:00, we all agree. You start to set standards for this. And you start to set standards for this. And you start to set standards for this. And you just can't ghost ride and hope that it just can't ghost ride and hope that it just can't ghost ride and hope that it works out anymore. You have to be much works out anymore. You have to be much works out anymore. You have to be much more aware and intentional because if more aware and intentional because if more aware and intentional because if you're not the voice and your family you're not the voice and your family you're not the voice and your family isn't the model, will the kids will isn't the model, will the kids will isn't the model, will the kids will solve that problem somewhere else. Why solve that problem somewhere else. Why solve that problem somewhere else. Why are kids needing three energy drinks? I are kids needing three energy drinks? I are kids needing three energy drinks? I just heard of an 11-year-old or just heard of an 11-year-old or just heard of an 11-year-old or 12-year-old drinking two or three 12-year-old drinking two or three 12-year-old drinking two or three Monsters a day. He's a skater, Monsters a day. He's a skater, Monsters a day. He's a skater, >> you know, like >> you know, like >> you know, like >> where do you go from there? What >> where do you go from there? What >> where do you go from there? What >> that's kind of like skate culture, too. >> that's kind of like skate culture, too. >> that's kind of like skate culture, too. >> Where do you go from there? You know, so >> Where do you go from there? You know, so >> Where do you go from there? You know, so how are we going to keep in mind that how are we going to keep in mind that how are we going to keep in mind that the probably the most important thing the probably the most important thing the probably the most important thing you can do is say, "I love you. I'm so you can do is say, "I love you. I'm so you can do is say, "I love you. I'm so proud of you. That was so fun. And I'm proud of you. That was so fun. And I'm proud of you. That was so fun. And I'm going to swear on this podcast. You can going to swear on this podcast. You can going to swear on this podcast. You can bleep me out." Shut the [ __ ] up in the bleep me out." Shut the [ __ ] up in the bleep me out." Shut the [ __ ] up in the stands and do not talk in the car on the stands and do not talk in the car on the stands and do not talk in the car on the way home. Create a safe environment way home. Create a safe environment way home. Create a safe environment where you're like, "It is so enjoyable. where you're like, "It is so enjoyable. where you're like, "It is so enjoyable. I want to ride home with my dad because I want to ride home with my dad because I want to ride home with my dad because we put on the music and we vibe and he we put on the music and we vibe and he we put on the music and we vibe and he doesn't ask me about it and we have such doesn't ask me about it and we have such doesn't ask me about it and we have such a good time and we make it this a good time and we make it this a good time and we make it this enjoyable process that's sort of enjoyable process that's sort of enjoyable process that's sort of agnostic to performance and we stop agnostic to performance and we stop agnostic to performance and we stop carrying our our expectations of high carrying our our expectations of high carrying our our expectations of high level performance and eliteness on our level performance and eliteness on our level performance and eliteness on our children. We fuel them. We hang out with children. We fuel them. We hang out with children. We fuel them. We hang out with them. We talk. We're not their coaches. them. We talk. We're not their coaches. them. We talk. We're not their coaches. We are their cheerleaders." And this is We are their cheerleaders." And this is We are their cheerleaders." And this is most important. This came from Carmen most important. This came from Carmen most important. This came from Carmen Bot who is a specialist in Canada on Bot who is a specialist in Canada on Bot who is a specialist in Canada on return to play after ACL's. And she return to play after ACL's. And she return to play after ACL's. And she said, "Your job is chief reminder. Your said, "Your job is chief reminder. Your said, "Your job is chief reminder. Your kid is not an elite pro alete." So I kid is not an elite pro alete." So I kid is not an elite pro alete." So I think that so for example with Caroline, think that so for example with Caroline, think that so for example with Caroline, I would make her breakfast every day. I would make her breakfast every day. I would make her breakfast every day. Why? Because gives me enjoyment, Why? Because gives me enjoyment, Why? Because gives me enjoyment, but I know that she's going to leave the but I know that she's going to leave the but I know that she's going to leave the house with a fruit, a vegetable. Maybe house with a fruit, a vegetable. Maybe house with a fruit, a vegetable. Maybe there's a probiotic food and a protein there's a probiotic food and a protein there's a probiotic food and a protein and I'm covered, right? One meal as I've and I'm covered, right? One meal as I've and I'm covered, right? One meal as I've controlled. And I discovered that sleep controlled. And I discovered that sleep controlled. And I discovered that sleep is so important and she went to a hard is so important and she went to a hard is so important and she went to a hard school and she's a badass that I would school and she's a badass that I would school and she's a badass that I would let her sleep to the very end. And guess let her sleep to the very end. And guess let her sleep to the very end. And guess what she didn't want to do first thing what she didn't want to do first thing what she didn't want to do first thing in the morning? Sit down and eat a big in the morning? Sit down and eat a big in the morning? Sit down and eat a big breakfast. Do you want to sit down and breakfast. Do you want to sit down and breakfast. Do you want to sit down and eat a big breakfast first in the eat a big breakfast first in the eat a big breakfast first in the morning? morning? morning? >> But she wanted to eat first period. So I >> But she wanted to eat first period. So I >> But she wanted to eat first period. So I would make her breakfast to go. And we would make her breakfast to go. And we would make her breakfast to go. And we discovered that I had better adherence. discovered that I had better adherence. discovered that I had better adherence. She ate breakfast. She got the She ate breakfast. She got the She ate breakfast. She got the micronutrients. she got in right and I micronutrients. she got in right and I micronutrients. she got in right and I got to help control that and shape that got to help control that and shape that got to help control that and shape that and then we took it with her so she and then we took it with her so she and then we took it with her so she could do that. So that's the kind of could do that. So that's the kind of could do that. So that's the kind of thinking where I got to protect her thinking where I got to protect her thinking where I got to protect her sleep instead of waking her up a half sleep instead of waking her up a half sleep instead of waking her up a half hour earlier and forcing her to eat some hour earlier and forcing her to eat some hour earlier and forcing her to eat some breakfast she don't want to eat at that breakfast she don't want to eat at that breakfast she don't want to eat at that moment where we could sleep a little bit moment where we could sleep a little bit moment where we could sleep a little bit longer she take this meal with her longer she take this meal with her longer she take this meal with her >> you know I think one of the you want to >> you know I think one of the you want to >> you know I think one of the you want to talk about a performance dancing drug talk about a performance dancing drug talk about a performance dancing drug >> this is everyone get ready there's this >> this is everyone get ready there's this >> this is everyone get ready there's this thing called goons have you seen this thing called goons have you seen this thing called goons have you seen this the groons the gummy bears the green the groons the gummy bears the green the groons the gummy bears the green gummy bears gummy bears gummy bears >> okay I am not sponsored by grooms but I >> okay I am not sponsored by grooms but I >> okay I am not sponsored by grooms but I want to be sponsored by goons so groans want to be sponsored by goons so groans want to be sponsored by goons so groans is just a green powder gummy bear is just a green powder gummy bear is just a green powder gummy bear that is highly palatable and just like that is highly palatable and just like that is highly palatable and just like all athletic greens, all greens, it's all athletic greens, all greens, it's all athletic greens, all greens, it's just a vitamin. Let's just treat it like just a vitamin. Let's just treat it like just a vitamin. Let's just treat it like a vitamin. But your kids don't get any a vitamin. But your kids don't get any a vitamin. But your kids don't get any fiber. Your kids don't get any vitamin fiber. Your kids don't get any vitamin fiber. Your kids don't get any vitamin C. Your kids don't get any C. Your kids don't get any C. Your kids don't get any micronutrients and f and and minerals. micronutrients and f and and minerals. micronutrients and f and and minerals. And this highly palatable gummy bear And this highly palatable gummy bear And this highly palatable gummy bear green powder candy snack gummy is the green powder candy snack gummy is the green powder candy snack gummy is the adherence goes through the roof. You adherence goes through the roof. You adherence goes through the roof. You send your kids with one of those. At send your kids with one of those. At send your kids with one of those. At least it's not a food, but at least least it's not a food, but at least least it's not a food, but at least we're putting something into the system we're putting something into the system we're putting something into the system to water the plant. It's like putting to water the plant. It's like putting to water the plant. It's like putting Miracle Grow on the thing. You still Miracle Grow on the thing. You still Miracle Grow on the thing. You still need sunlight, but that they just sold need sunlight, but that they just sold need sunlight, but that they just sold to Unilver for $1.2 billion. But of all to Unilver for $1.2 billion. But of all to Unilver for $1.2 billion. But of all the stuff I've seen in the last decade, the stuff I've seen in the last decade, the stuff I've seen in the last decade, that is the most cutting edge behavior that is the most cutting edge behavior that is the most cutting edge behavior changing thing that's come out because I changing thing that's come out because I changing thing that's come out because I can make sure that my kid eats something can make sure that my kid eats something can make sure that my kid eats something that is good for them in a packaged way that is good for them in a packaged way that is good for them in a packaged way that they can be highly reproducible for that they can be highly reproducible for that they can be highly reproducible for years and years and years. It's the 2026 years and years and years. It's the 2026 years and years and years. It's the 2026 version of the Flintstones multivitamin. version of the Flintstones multivitamin. version of the Flintstones multivitamin. >> Well, those kids are never going to be >> Well, those kids are never going to be >> Well, those kids are never going to be elite because they didn't eat the elite because they didn't eat the elite because they didn't eat the Flintstone vitamin. Maybe that's why Flintstone vitamin. Maybe that's why Flintstone vitamin. Maybe that's why we're elite. Well, why you are elite? we're elite. Well, why you are elite? we're elite. Well, why you are elite? >> Um, so in the workout this morning, uh, >> Um, so in the workout this morning, uh, >> Um, so in the workout this morning, uh, you walked me through all of these you walked me through all of these you walked me through all of these warm-up exercises that were very joyful warm-up exercises that were very joyful warm-up exercises that were very joyful and about play. So I think a good way to and about play. So I think a good way to and about play. So I think a good way to kind of bring this conversation to a kind of bring this conversation to a kind of bring this conversation to a close is to leave the audience with uh close is to leave the audience with uh close is to leave the audience with uh some version of that that they can begin some version of that that they can begin some version of that that they can begin to practice and incorporate into their to practice and incorporate into their to practice and incorporate into their lives. lives. lives. We We We have ruined the jib experience. It's have ruined the jib experience. It's have ruined the jib experience. It's there's some person in the middle with there's some person in the middle with there's some person in the middle with their camera filming themselves. It's their camera filming themselves. It's their camera filming themselves. It's lonely. There's so many good examples of lonely. There's so many good examples of lonely. There's so many good examples of physical culture on the internet, of physical culture on the internet, of physical culture on the internet, of people dancing, of people playing with people dancing, of people playing with people dancing, of people playing with tennis balls, of rhythmic drills. If you tennis balls, of rhythmic drills. If you tennis balls, of rhythmic drills. If you took the first 15 minutes of your gym took the first 15 minutes of your gym took the first 15 minutes of your gym time and and you need to get hot and time and and you need to get hot and time and and you need to get hot and sweaty and prepped and awake anyway, and sweaty and prepped and awake anyway, and sweaty and prepped and awake anyway, and we could do breath work and we could do we could do breath work and we could do we could do breath work and we could do we could do eye training and tracking. we could do eye training and tracking. we could do eye training and tracking. If you played spikeball, right? If you If you played spikeball, right? If you If you played spikeball, right? If you just engaged with having to move in a just engaged with having to move in a just engaged with having to move in a funny way, played frisbee like we talked funny way, played frisbee like we talked funny way, played frisbee like we talked about, you would see that you would have about, you would see that you would have about, you would see that you would have a better workout. It would be fun and a better workout. It would be fun and a better workout. It would be fun and you'd get to create a community around you'd get to create a community around you'd get to create a community around that. There's so much cool stuff on the that. There's so much cool stuff on the that. There's so much cool stuff on the internet. I get I am so inspired. I get internet. I get I am so inspired. I get internet. I get I am so inspired. I get so many good ideas. I will point at a so many good ideas. I will point at a so many good ideas. I will point at a friend named Rhett Larson who is a friend named Rhett Larson who is a friend named Rhett Larson who is a incredible coach. He used to be at EXOS. incredible coach. He used to be at EXOS. incredible coach. He used to be at EXOS. He's the German national volleyball team He's the German national volleyball team He's the German national volleyball team women's coach and he has a thing called women's coach and he has a thing called women's coach and he has a thing called no zombies. And he what he saw was that no zombies. And he what he saw was that no zombies. And he what he saw was that for years kids would just zombie through for years kids would just zombie through for years kids would just zombie through the warm-ups and adults zombie I have to the warm-ups and adults zombie I have to the warm-ups and adults zombie I have to touch my toes I have you know and he was touch my toes I have you know and he was touch my toes I have you know and he was like this isn't getting what we want. So like this isn't getting what we want. So like this isn't getting what we want. So he created an entire ecosystem of play he created an entire ecosystem of play he created an entire ecosystem of play of games where he got invested as a of games where he got invested as a of games where he got invested as a coach again. He wasn't phoning it in and coach again. He wasn't phoning it in and coach again. He wasn't phoning it in and his athletes performed better. And I his athletes performed better. And I his athletes performed better. And I think you could go on the internet and think you could go on the internet and think you could go on the internet and be inspired by something you see and be be inspired by something you see and be be inspired by something you see and be like I'm going to learn that. I'm going like I'm going to learn that. I'm going like I'm going to learn that. I'm going to play that. I'm going to throw a to play that. I'm going to throw a to play that. I'm going to throw a tennis ball against the wall and play tennis ball against the wall and play tennis ball against the wall and play butts up. Do you remember that game? butts up. Do you remember that game? butts up. Do you remember that game? Right. That was just like you would Right. That was just like you would Right. That was just like you would throw a ball and if you didn't catch it, throw a ball and if you didn't catch it, throw a ball and if you didn't catch it, >> you had to like go up against this is >> you had to like go up against this is >> you had to like go up against this is not a politically correct game in the not a politically correct game in the not a politically correct game in the this is again the 70s. this is again the 70s. this is again the 70s. >> You would bend over and then whoever >> You would bend over and then whoever >> You would bend over and then whoever threw the ball got to peg you in the threw the ball got to peg you in the threw the ball got to peg you in the butt with the ball. butt with the ball. butt with the ball. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> But what it did was it shortened the >> But what it did was it shortened the >> But what it did was it shortened the distance between you and making errors distance between you and making errors distance between you and making errors because you didn't want to get pegged because you didn't want to get pegged because you didn't want to get pegged and it incentivized you to catch the and it incentivized you to catch the and it incentivized you to catch the ball. that idea of play, of engagement, ball. that idea of play, of engagement, ball. that idea of play, of engagement, of like we have lost that section as of like we have lost that section as of like we have lost that section as adults and we know that everyone learns adults and we know that everyone learns adults and we know that everyone learns better through play like play is the better through play like play is the better through play like play is the miracle drug and let's put a little bit miracle drug and let's put a little bit miracle drug and let's put a little bit of play. What I'd say is if you're on a of play. What I'd say is if you're on a of play. What I'd say is if you're on a bike, I mean, do you remember these bike, I mean, do you remember these bike, I mean, do you remember these little rides where you'd sprint to the little rides where you'd sprint to the little rides where you'd sprint to the town sign, you sprint to the town line town sign, you sprint to the town line town sign, you sprint to the town line sign? Those are games within games. So, sign? Those are games within games. So, sign? Those are games within games. So, we play a game on the rowing machine. we play a game on the rowing machine. we play a game on the rowing machine. This is the worst game ever. Rowing is This is the worst game ever. Rowing is This is the worst game ever. Rowing is terrible. It's suffering. It's awful. s terrible. It's suffering. It's awful. s terrible. It's suffering. It's awful. s and we see who can get closest to the and we see who can get closest to the and we see who can get closest to the 500 meter, who can get closest to the 500 meter, who can get closest to the 500 meter, who can get closest to the thousand, and we play it like golf. thousand, and we play it like golf. thousand, and we play it like golf. Whoever is closest gets a point. So, Whoever is closest gets a point. So, Whoever is closest gets a point. So, there's so many ways where you can start there's so many ways where you can start there's so many ways where you can start to gamify. Don't lose the narrative. But to gamify. Don't lose the narrative. But to gamify. Don't lose the narrative. But in that first 15 minutes, I think in that first 15 minutes, I think in that first 15 minutes, I think there's a lot of ways to explore, move. there's a lot of ways to explore, move. there's a lot of ways to explore, move. Um, there's a gentleman named the Um, there's a gentleman named the Um, there's a gentleman named the fitness marshall fitness marshall fitness marshall >> and he has a YouTube channel full of >> and he has a YouTube channel full of >> and he has a YouTube channel full of dances. He's a local kid here. I have dances. He's a local kid here. I have dances. He's a local kid here. I have used the fitness marshall to warm up my used the fitness marshall to warm up my used the fitness marshall to warm up my athletes more times than you can shake a athletes more times than you can shake a athletes more times than you can shake a stick at because dancing's fun and moves stick at because dancing's fun and moves stick at because dancing's fun and moves you in funny ways and you got to load you in funny ways and you got to load you in funny ways and you got to load and rhythm and four minutes or five and rhythm and four minutes or five and rhythm and four minutes or five minutes later you're sweating and minutes later you're sweating and minutes later you're sweating and grinning. So, let's do more of that. grinning. So, let's do more of that. grinning. So, let's do more of that. >> All right. Awesome. More dam more >> All right. Awesome. More dam more >> All right. Awesome. More dam more dancing. dancing. dancing. >> Dance Marshall. Fitness marshall. >> Dance Marshall. Fitness marshall. >> Dance Marshall. Fitness marshall. >> The fitness marshall on YouTube. Yep. >> The fitness marshall on YouTube. Yep. >> The fitness marshall on YouTube. Yep. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Have your mind blown. He has 14 million >> Have your mind blown. He has 14 million >> Have your mind blown. He has 14 million followers. followers. followers. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah, you're going to have your mind >> Yeah, you're going to have your mind >> Yeah, you're going to have your mind blown. Caleb is a genius. Um, it's wild blown. Caleb is a genius. Um, it's wild blown. Caleb is a genius. Um, it's wild how there are people that can have that how there are people that can have that how there are people that can have that many uh people following them and then many uh people following them and then many uh people following them and then you've never heard of them and you're you've never heard of them and you're you've never heard of them and you're like, you know, sort of space, but like, you know, sort of space, but like, you know, sort of space, but >> I am Kelly Star. How do you Yeah. Yeah. >> I am Kelly Star. How do you Yeah. Yeah. >> I am Kelly Star. How do you Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> tons of followers. >> tons of followers. >> tons of followers. >> I love you, man. You're such a force for >> I love you, man. You're such a force for >> I love you, man. You're such a force for good and I just appreciate you being good and I just appreciate you being good and I just appreciate you being such a grounded uh source of trust in a such a grounded uh source of trust in a such a grounded uh source of trust in a very confusing world. um you haven't very confusing world. um you haven't very confusing world. um you haven't lost your mind in this crazy insanity lost your mind in this crazy insanity lost your mind in this crazy insanity that we're all trying to survive right that we're all trying to survive right that we're all trying to survive right now. Um and you're my go-to guy on all now. Um and you're my go-to guy on all now. Um and you're my go-to guy on all things fitness, movement, mobility, things fitness, movement, mobility, things fitness, movement, mobility, stability, strength, and I do want to stability, strength, and I do want to stability, strength, and I do want to say publicly that you have been behind say publicly that you have been behind say publicly that you have been behind the scenes an unbelievable support the scenes an unbelievable support the scenes an unbelievable support system for me. Like when I came out of system for me. Like when I came out of system for me. Like when I came out of surgery, you were just on it like you surgery, you were just on it like you surgery, you were just on it like you need to do this and you sent me that need to do this and you sent me that need to do this and you sent me that electro stem thing and here's how you electro stem thing and here's how you electro stem thing and here's how you use it. like you've you've just really use it. like you've you've just really use it. like you've you've just really taken care of me in a in a way that like taken care of me in a in a way that like taken care of me in a in a way that like you didn't have to do that, man. And you didn't have to do that, man. And you didn't have to do that, man. And >> um it just speaks to your character and >> um it just speaks to your character and >> um it just speaks to your character and who you are as a person and I just adore who you are as a person and I just adore who you are as a person and I just adore you and and your wife and you and and your wife and you and and your wife and >> um really appreciate you basically >> um really appreciate you basically >> um really appreciate you basically spending almost an entire day with me spending almost an entire day with me spending almost an entire day with me today. So, thank you. today. So, thank you. today. So, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. This is all I think about. It's so fun. This is all I think about. It's so fun. This is all I think about. It's so fun. You're really important to us and to the You're really important to us and to the You're really important to us and to the world and so we need you back. So very world and so we need you back. So very world and so we need you back. So very selfishly, I was like, the faster I can selfishly, I was like, the faster I can selfishly, I was like, the faster I can get rich back to being rich, then I do get rich back to being rich, then I do get rich back to being rich, then I do better, right? And I just want to say better, right? And I just want to say better, right? And I just want to say rich is dead, long live rich. Thank you, rich is dead, long live rich. Thank you, rich is dead, long live rich. Thank you, brother. brother. brother. >> Thank you, man. Peace.