Joe Rogan Experience #2544 - Chris Williamson

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Showing my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day! What's up? Hey, Christopher! Hi. Good to see you. Thank you very much for the book. This is very cool of you. Ladies and gentlemen, Chris just gifted me, ladies and gentlemen, Lenny Bruce, which is a fucking amazing book. And it's inscripted, there's an inscription inside, to Yoko Ono, who knows well what the jazz life entails. And it's Albert Goldman. And you were just telling me that Albert Goldman, this was his way of weaving into the Yoko Ono, John Lennon camp. Exactly, yeah. And then he goes and writes a book that blows them up. I've just exploded a can of Nutanic all over my crotch as well. Jamie, have you got a napkin? Apologies. We don't? That's alright. Premature. Do we have tissues? No. No? Alright. He says no. Jamie says no. Yeah, so he writes that book and then gifts it to Yoko Ono. And by giving it to her, I think, is the beginning of him working his way into that camp. And then he goes on to write the book, The Lives of John Lennon, which, after he's dead, kind of explodes a lot of what was going on personally, whether it was true or not. There's a lot of drama and furor around it. But I knew that it was your favorite book and we were supposed to... Well, thank you. That's very cool of you. I did not know about that, that he wrote the John Lennon book as well. It's really interesting because the John Lennon book, it's... God, it's so weird to write a book like that after a guy's dead and he can't respond to it. Yeah. Where you're accusing... Was it ex-wives that accused him of domestic violence? I don't know. Who accused him? I don't know. I don't know. I think that whole furor was just a mess. And obviously, when someone's dead, what are they going to do? How are they going to be able to come back from that? They can't. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's just weird that you're allowed to do that. You're allowed to say this happened, that happened. The guy can't say, no, no, and I can prove it. He can't say anything. And it's also like the give peace a chance guy. The give peace a chance guy was beating his wife? Boy. You know, it's not that surprising, given human contradiction. It's like male feminists that turn out to be sexual predators. There's a lot of them, right? There's a lot of that weird stuff going on where people pretend to be one thing and they're actually another thing. Sneaky fuckers. Yeah, sneaky fuckers. The give peace a chance guy beating his wife, though, it's like, I can't believe that. I have a really hard time believing that. But I've been fooled before, right? He seems like the most peaceful, nonviolent guy of all time. But I had read a bunch of stuff about him being a cunt. You like the Asians, huh? JL. Keep going. Additional affairs with women framed as habitual cheating. Claims of sexual encounters with men, including an alleged relationship with Beatles manager Brian Epstein. Hey. For more serious allegations, including claims involving male prostitutes in Thailand and other conduct that Goldman characterized as sexual predation. The thing is, like, how is he getting all this information about, like, male prostitutes in Thailand? And, you know, like, how do you know? You know what I mean? Like, did someone tell you? Did you go there? Like, did you go there and talk to the prostitute? Why the book is disputed. The problem is the reliability of Goldman's specific accusations. At publication, Yoko Ono and Paul McCartney publicly condemned the book. Contemporary reporting noted claims of factual errors, contradictions, unattributed assertions, and material allegedly based on dubious sources or quotations used out of context. Look, that is not uncommon. Did I ever tell you what Bill Murray said on the podcast? So Bill Murray was reading Bob Woodward's book, Wired. And he said he got through, like, five pages. He said, oh, my God, they framed Nixon. Because Bob Woodward was the guy who did Watergate. And he said this book was so full of shit. It was so fake. Like, he portrayed the whole scene of, like, what he was up to as being, like, hardcore drugs constantly all the time, just fucking losing his mind. And he's like, no, dude, he was a lightweight. He wasn't like that at all. So he knew it was totally fabricated. He said this is not my friend. Like, I knew him. He was my best friend. He's like, this is not him. And then I told him the story of how Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent. And that was his first assignment ever. Tucker told me this story on the podcast, that Bob Woodward and the other guy. What's the other guy's name? Bernstein. That Bob Woodward, this was a rookie assignment. A rookie assignment is going to take down the fucking president of the United States. And his first job outside of being a fucking intelligence agent is to work for the Washington Post on his first story, which is going to take down the most popular president in the history of the United States. Won by the largest margin ever. And this is the guy that said he knew who killed Jack Kennedy. And apparently that's why they got rid of Nixon. Tucker told me the whole story on the podcast. I was like, holy shit. This is fucking crazy. You're connecting the dots. It's a crazy fucking story. Have you been following this Lindsay Clancy case? Who's that? This lady who killed three of her kids. Oh, no. I've tried not to. That's a bummer. It's basically 2026's OJ Simpson. Before we get into that, I'd love to get into that. This Belushi thing is important because like his friend is telling you that he was not like that. Woodward makes him out to be this maniacal cocaine addled heroin fueled guy. He's like, no, he was a lightweight. He said he would get drunk off a couple drinks. So our whole narrative of who John Belushi is, is by the same guy who framed Nixon. Once someone's dead, you can say whatever the fuck you want. You can say whatever you want. And who's going to defend this person with the same level of vitriol or vehementness that someone who's still alive is going to? No one. No one. And there's nothing you can do. He's gone. Everyone's mourning. Everyone's sad. And then someone writes some book. Oh, he used to fuck kids. Like what? Just write whatever you want. And then maybe they could sue you. But boy, you're going to make an extraordinary amount of money off of that book. Like people are going to be hyped up for that book. You have a book about John Lennon was like into meditation. He likes to do LSD. No one's buying that shit. John Lennon liked to fuck guys in Thailand. Let's go. Let's go. Right. You can write anything. Who's going to fight back that hard as well once someone's gone? You can't prove it. He's dead. It's all hearsay. Even the defense is now hearsay. Yes. The death of the person who is now no longer alive. Exactly. That's hearsay. Exactly. Everything's hearsay. So the defense is always going to be flimsy in comparison to the accusations. The accusation feels like it's got more substance to it. Yes. This is someone who's gone out and done original research. You didn't go to Thailand. You didn't speak to the prostitutes. But even that, like no one's buying it. It's just this episode is presented by Paramount Plus. On October 16th, the king returns. Sylvester Stallone is back as mob boss Dwight Manfredi in the Paramount Plus hit series Tulsa King. With new enemies closing in and his empire on the line, Dwight and his crew prepare for the biggest fight of their lives. Tulsa King, new season, streaming October 16th only on Paramount Plus. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. 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They set him up. Why? Because he was going to expose who killed JFK. Which was just a few years earlier. Fuck, dude. This country's wild. I mean, I love it, but it is crazy. They also, you know, he had a vice president, Spiro Agnew, and they got rid of him on corruption charges and put Lyndon Johnson in. But couldn't these people have still spoken out? Like getting rid of them out of office, that doesn't stop them from whistleblowing, does it? First of all, they killed his predecessor, right? They killed JFK. So you think that was a warning shot? Like, we can get you out? Well, he knew they could. He definitely did. And they also got rid of him, right? And, you know, he didn't organize Watergate. He covered it up. They brought it to him. They said, hey, there was some recording equipment. He's like, don't tell anybody. And that's what got him. That's what got him. See if you can find the clip of Tucker talking about it. Because it is really insane. When you read the – when you hear him lay out the story, and then I read it online, I went into it to see, like, is this totally – everything's accurate. And it's so weird that our perception of Nixon has been this corrupt crook. You know, look, he was a very right-wing product of his time. And today his politics and his views on people, especially like minorities and a lot of other things, would probably be very disgraceful and people would not like it. But we're talking about the 1960s, the early 1970s, and he's an old-school, old-timey Republican guy. That said, he was the most popular president ever at his time. And they got rid of him. They turned him into a crook. That's power. It's really crazy. You've got to listen to this because it's kind of nuts. Logan Experience. Bizarre that the New York Times wouldn't have an issue with that. Well, the New York Times does that all the time. But bizarre that they wouldn't have an issue with the government tapping into your phone. They work for the government. Are you kidding? Right. The New York Times? The New York Times is a conduit for the lies of government. That's what it is. It's their tool. And they're perfectly aware of that. I mean, I used to write for the New York Times as a freelancer. I mean, I've been around the New York Times a lot. And, yeah, there are a lot of really smart people there, for sure, even now, less so now. But there are still, I think, smart people there. There are. I know some. And they know. But they think that it's worth it because they're bringing information. I don't know what they think, actually. But, no, they're tools of power. And that's, like, the one thing that you're not allowed to be, even if you think the power is good. Like, maybe they all support the agenda of the U.S. government, destabilizing the world and impoverishing their own population. Maybe they're on board with that. Even if they are, they shouldn't do it because the job of the media, the press, is to keep power in check. You are kind of like the seat belt, right? Right. You make sure that things don't go too far. And they're not doing that. They're acting as a willing handmaiden. When do you think that switched? Well, I think it's been the case for a long time. I mean, if you look at what happened to Richard Nixon, which I, of course, did not understand at all, Richard Nixon was taken out by the FBI and CIA. And with the help of Bob Woodward, who was a Washington Post reporter who had been a naval intelligence officer working in the White House, working in the Nixon White House. And then he shows up, like, a year later, and he's this brand-new reporter. He'd never been a journalist at all. He's a naval intel officer, the famous Bob Woodward we all revere. And he's at the Washington Post. And somehow he gets the biggest story in the history of the Washington Post. He's the lead guy in that story. Well, I worked at a newspaper. I've been in the news business my whole life. That is not how it works. You don't take a kid like his first day from a totally unrelated business and put him on the biggest story. But he was. He was that guy. And who was his main source for Watergate? Oh, the number two guy at the FBI. Oh, so you have the naval intelligence officer working with the FBI official to destroy the president. OK, so that's a deep state coup. What else? How would you describe that? If that happened in Guatemala, what would you say? And yet the way it was framed and the way that I accepted for decades was, oh, this intrepid reporter fought power. No, no, no. This intrepid reporter, Bob Woodward, was a tool of power, secret power, which is the most threatening kind, to bounce the single most popular president in American history. history richard nixon from office before the end of his term and replace him with who of gerald ford who sat on the warren commission now how did gerald ford get to be richard nixon's vice president well because carl albert the democrat speaker the house told him you must choose him we will only confirm him they sent the actual elected vice president away for tax evasion spiro agnew of maryland so you have a complete setup like an apps gerald ford the only unelected president american history actually sat on the warren commission something else that i accepted at face value until i looked at it i was like that's completely insane you didn't want to interview jack ruby in your investigation of the assassination okay you're fake yeah he was on the warren commission fuck me and so uh... sorry for the long story but the point is like that that happened in front of all of us but the way it was framed cloaked the obvious reality of it the people who broke into the watergate office building from which the name is taken watergate so i think it was six of them are seven of them all but one was a c i employee that that's really it's like look it up on google so the whole thing richard nixon was elected by more votes than any president in american history in the nineteen seventy two election he was the most popular by votes which is the only we can really measure popularity the most popular president in his re-election campaign and two years later he's gone undone by a naval intel officer the number two guy at the fbi and a bunch of cia employees you tell me what that is how about that this country's wild how about that that's bob woodward that's the guy who wrote wired and when bill murray said that he read the book and he said oh my god they framed nixon and then i showed him that and he was like holy shit because he was uh... part of the thing they were doing with hunter s thompson bill murray was when he was really young and uh... where he would go around and tell people that nixon needs a second chance but it was all parity it was all like tongue-in-cheek satire he was going around pretending that he supported nixon and nixon needed a second chance and getting like young dumb people to go along with them on this and now in retrospect in retrospect whether or not at the time he ever wanted nixon as president and you know look there's a lot of problems with nixon there's a lot of problems with the vietnam war there's a lot of problems with civil rights nixon passed the controlled substances act which is the reason why all psychedelic drugs to this day are schedule one nixon was a fucking problem no doubt about it however what they did when they the way they got rid of that guy is scary shit and they pulled it off no one got arrested no one got indicted no one even got criticized but could he not have still released information after why? he would have been a dead man one hundred percent because no protection because you're not in office anymore no one would have believed him it would have sounded like sour grapes i'm throwing these people under the bus the administration that got rid of me but but but but but there's also no internet so how's he going to release it is the new york times going to write this is going to write a letter to the press and they're going to print it? no there's literally no recourse it's kind of genius there's no podcasts there's no shows that he could go on no one he was disgraced no one would even have him on a late night show but if he even got on a late night show he would need about ninety minutes to explain it all he would have to take it from the beginning there was a time when i wondered who killed jack kennedy and i found out and i brought it to them and i told them i know who killed jack and the room went cold he would tell the whole story and it would take a lot if podcasts were a lot around back then yes if just instagram was around back then and twitter and he could write about it and make a video yeah youtube yeah if that was around but there was nothing there was nothing and they fucking shot JFK in the head in front of everybody and shot the guy who they claimed killed him like that and then the other guy they dosed up with acid and made crazy and that was a wrap that was it and like how many i mean this is just modern versions air quotes history how many old stories that we have that we just we just have accepted these historical narratives we've accepted all of these stories as being well this is how it went down how many of them are bullshit well forget history being written by the victors history can be written by the person who's got a pen and when so few people have got pens so few people have got the opportunity to distribute i suppose the problem that we have now is in the modern world there's so much information conflicting narratives people get confused right you've gone from a scarcity of information to such an abundance that people just I can't work out what's going on fuck I'm just not going to believe anything yeah it's it's very interesting because it's a great tool to kind of obscure you can obfuscate you can do a lot of things with a bunch of bullshit information the more bullshit information you have the more like really significant information doesn't really hit as much correct it's just like it gets watered down then it goes away the goal i think of the velocity of the information is not to convince people of any one narrative it's to make them completely nihilistic about the belief in any narrative yeah yes any narrative yeah and and also just to kind of accept that feeling of hopelessness that you can't change anything correct that feels pliable yeah right and then there might be something down the line if nothing else you're not going to have a agentic sovereign uprising what can we do in any case I don't even know what's going on I'm checked out right like the nihilism the cynicism I think I don't think that that's a byproduct I think that's it's a plan correct this summer whether you're watching baseball golf soccer racing DraftKings has you covered for every single moment of it the DraftKings sports app is now available in all 50 states bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are from florida to texas to california you're in on the excitement at the speed of sports follow every buzzer beater every walk off every photo finish sweat the moments that matter in real time with a seamless experience built for summer no matter where you're watching you're always connected and in on the game with one app new DraftKings customers sign up with code rogan spend five bucks to get a hundred and fifty in rewards within 14 days includes all markets that's code rogan in partnership with DraftKings the crown is yours bet with DK sportsbook gambling problem call 1-800-GAMBLER 1-800-MY-RESET Connecticut call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org on behalf of Boothill Casino in Kansas bet tax pass through may apply in Illinois 21 and over void in Canada event contract trading with DraftKings predictions involves risk of loss availability varies predictions offer void in New York bet to get bonus bets that expire in seven days trade to get predictions dollars that expire in one year $50 in rewards issued every seven days via click-to-claim for 14 days one non-withdrawable reward redeemable nationwide based on sportsbook predictions and free-to-play sports contest availability varies by state terms at DKNG.co slash offer limited time offer yeah it's a design and it's it's smart and it works and it's it's not even like they engineered it it sort of emerged and they took advantage of these new tools because these new tools so you know social media is more effective than anything we've ever had before and so they go but look at all this now you know we didn't have we barely no one pays attention to CNN we don't even use them anymore we just like douse the whole world with horseshit yeah on Instagram and threads and seed stories here and there just bullshit just pure bullshit there's accounts that I know when I look at what they said Justin Timberlake arrested for you know murder you know they'll write things like that you're like what and it's just a made-up story and there's like hundreds of them where you look and I've there's some of them I recognize the account and I see it I go oh there's another made-up story Halle Berry kills five and what do you think we should do about this because obviously this country freedom of speech etc etc but I don't know should there be a way to try and counter this yes well first of all those people aren't real people for the most part and if you go to their page a lot of them are like in Pakistan or somewhere else where and of course I don't know how effective X in particular is I mean I know they've they've taken steps to show that when you go to the person's page someone's commenting on u.s. politics and you go to their page that's a man from Myanmar what are you doing so but that to me is like okay is there a way around that are these like completely non-sophisticated people where they have to show that they're in Myanmar what if they had like a corporation in Idaho and they had it set up where they all registered there and so you're your bills get sent to there everything gets into there it just has the United States and you're using a VPN or you have some other way of connecting it doesn't like if if fucking AI can get out of a sandbox and get on the internet you're telling me that you can't hide the fact that you're actually Vietnamese people can't pretend to be from Idaho come on yeah so who knows but I feels like the fucking Wild West it's the Wild West it really is it's worse than the Wild West it's the Wild West with robots it's it's that Western show what's that show called Westworld Westworld yeah that's what it is great it's Wild West with robots yeah it's really Westworld because and most of these fucking people that are you're bantering with and they're posting these fake stories they're probably not even real people they're probably AI they're either people that are hired to do it or they're AI you had a bunch of AI scripts and they just run it all the time and they post periodically throughout the day and interesting not not long ago what five when did you learn by X 23 yeah something like that 23 so five years ago everyone was so worried that we didn't have a town square we don't have anywhere that we can talk that Elon is realized is that you have to take away some of the incentives to post fake stuff without putting up a barrier and saying you can't post this and censoring people you can't incentivize them so the thing is you can make money on X so now the way they're setting it up for these people that post you can't make money off of fake content you can't make money off of this stuff so there's no incentive to me because I think part of the incentive is muddying the water muddying the narrative but I think also part of the incentive is just financial because if you're running some company in Thailand and you have like 50 people working for you you're probably making good money just getting millions of clicks on bullshit nonsense videos that are AI and and a bunch of fucking fake stories that people concoct or AI concocts as soon as you cut out the money and say you're only paid for original content that's it that's all you can get paid for that changes the game that changes everything I think if you align the incentives for most people shit gets fixed yeah like incentives are an unbelievable motivating force sure you can if you can have that on X I think that that fixes a lot of the problem it fixes a lot of it but honestly you gotta be able to tell whether something's AI because even if even if there's no incentive you could shift narrative so easily if you just have a hundred thousand AI scripts running a hundred thousand accounts it's not hard for a state to do like a country to do to have like those kind of resources you can change public opinion on things most people are dumb as fuck and you start arguing for something that kind of makes sense and all sudden yeah I don't know what a woman is either you know like weird narratives can get real weird and especially people start attacking the people that disagree with whatever this narrative they're trying to push nobody wants to get attacked well I mean I didn't understand the consequences that's a different kind of incentive right that's a social incentive yes and the incentive is a disincentive you don't want to be pushed back against exactly so few people have original thoughts so few people the vast majority of original thinkers kind of marionette two different armies of NPCs that believe the thing that a few people that have original thoughts ended up coming up with yeah well I think there's a bunch of unfortunate realities that none of us like to accept and one of them is that some people are dumb they're born dumb some people have big noses some people have big ears and some people have brains that are made out of dog shit and that's just how it is and there's nothing you could do about that and there's varying levels of that like you know I always feel like that when I'm talking to someone really smart like cheese my brain sucks it's it varies like wildly just like athletics like there's some people like dude you you are never going to the Olympics you know you look at him like I don't give a fuck what you do and there's other guys like you want to coach them like hey if you just did anything you'd be a freak you'd be amazing at this you just have natural gifts that's the same thing intellectually there's certain people that I've talked to you like yo you know there's there's people that are they're fucking barely figuring out how to get through a day and you know if you expect those people to go and learn how to code remember that learn to code remember all that this is not there it's not there I can't teach my dog how to type it's not there it's not gonna happen that's just the reality of genetic variability there's there's going to be a bunch of people that are really fucking smart and a bunch of people that are really athletic and really good-looking and really ugly and really stupid and all of it together it's one of the reasons I think that the paternalistic we have to look after the little person thing has a little bit of legs people sometimes like well we actually need to step in in some way I'm sure me and you need fucking assistant like we need smarter people in us to tell us what to do with health to a degree or else we would have been sideswiped by some fucking psyop from whatever organization or company or new initiative is trying to convince us of some new trends that's actually bad for us or just to communicate with each other where the fuck would we be without these wizards who have figured out cell phones and laptops and high-speed internet and Starlink we're fucked so all these people even pretending that they're smart well you're on the backs of the labor of the real geniuses you fucking idiot like yeah you're getting a lot of information online you're developing more and more information that you can memorize that's different that's different than you inventing cell phones just stop that's different It's different than you inventing FaceTime. Well, you know, like we're all dumb We are all dumb Yesterday, I don't know whether you saw this the UK Home Office decided it was going to release a booklet giving guidance to asylum seekers on Acceptable and unacceptable behavior in the UK. Oh, well, that'll fix it It explains that consents required for sex that women have equal rights that sexual harassment is unacceptable Including for partners and children and that female genital mutilation is not allowed This was a nine-page booklet that got released by the UK Home Office yesterday. It's just it's Everywhere, dude, and it's got these warnings partway through it that say things like this may affect your asylum status whether or not this is part of An understanding that you have arrived here with this is an important part of British law And and our culture and this is something that you kind of do female genital mutilation is not allowed Sexual harassment inside of the home or outside women have equal rights Consent is something that's important. It is and that's what I mean the idea that you could just Write it down on paper and give it to him all that. That's it solved it What the idea that we're going to do this in retrospect? Like I would now that you're here Here is a piece of paper that hopefully undoes something which if you've put this together and put it out on the Home Office website And this is everywhere on X If you've decided to do this, it is evidently a big enough problem that you need to really turn the taps on with it It's like dude How how is it that this is not done before people arrive in the country? Like is this not the sort of thing that you need to be doing like proactively not retroactively? I think they just wanted to get as many people in as possible And now they're trying to mitigate the chaos that it's causing why why would they want as many people in as possible? it's a bunch of different possibilities for why they want that cheap labor is one that people believe and In America in particular. It's the way the census is done. So The census counts human beings doesn't count citizens So if you have more human beings you get more congressional seats So if you can take people that are illegal immigrants, and then you move them into swing states all of a sudden now You have more congressional seats in those swing states Then you have places that don't allow not don't require don't allow ID to vote That's California. California doesn't allow ID to vote. So who knows how many people are Especially with mail-in ballots how many people are voting that aren't citizens? No one knows. No one knows can't know can't find out blah blah blah Not listening and just some fuckery with Spencer Pratt around. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah Not only was there fuckery, but it was fuckery of the most transparent form So the people that voted in voted out So Spencer Pratt was in second place behind Karen Bass and then the mail-in started coming in and the mail-ins Overwhelmingly favored Nithya Raman in a completely different ratio than they did Before you know, the mail-in ballots were counted so in the regular ballot like the regular election she was in third place like a like a pretty solid third place and he was quite a bit ahead of her and then Karen Bass was quite a bit ahead of him in The mail-in ballots. It's just like 60% of them went to Nithya Raman. It was something crazy and The mail-in ballots voted to raise taxes No one votes for that. No one votes for that. So I don't know what the thing that I can't wrap my head around is why? The the UK seems to be almost like a suicidal empathy thing this openness this this Diversity is our strength. Please all ye come here thing the level of asylum the numbers are so huge and I don't know if every single person that I know that's in the UK is Not happy with the state of that regardless of how progressive there Everybody thinks that this is a problem and then to retroactively put out a nine-page booklet saying that you shouldn't do female genital mutilation Or that women have got equal rights How do you think this gets turned around? That's the question But can that be mitigated claims about a ballot drop? Boss and Raman received thousands of votes in an update while Pratt received zero I don't think anybody's saying zero Los Angeles County officials said that did not occur in the official County updates every candidate received votes in every update No one's saying he got zero Oh the viral claim. Okay, but that's not what we're saying What do you mean in the mail-ins Well, then how did she win that doesn't make any sense Okay, let me say a parent anomaly came from the automated media data reporting lags But that would leave him in second place if you got more than her This is not true The Associated Press said votes for some candidates appeared about a minute later in a separate update taken together the updates included 21,000 870 votes for Pratt 12,850 for bass and 9521 for Raman, but this is what part of it is this The Attorney's Claims Office Attorney's Office reviewing County records likewise called the fraud claims false, but the thing is he was ahead and Then disproportionately the the ballots did come in for her This is I don't understand what this is saying Because it was widely reported that the ballots came in in favor of Nithya Raman and it was like a shocking number It was also widely reported that that was the swing that allowed them to pass the new tax hike, which is Very unusual and they keep know Los Angeles already has crazy high taxes California has crazy high taxes the highest in the state and you think people like I don't think we pay enough Let's vote and let's vote from home the comfort of our own home with mail-in I think mail-in should be outlawed and I think you should have to show your ID and you know Everyone knows there's some percentage of fraud There's some percentage of voter fraud and then there's some percentage of legal loopholes one of the legal loopholes that Spencer Pratt outlined that is legal is you go to these homeless people and You get these homeless people to fill in mail mail-in ballots because they are citizens They do live in Los Angeles and you register them and you get them to fill out ballots and you give them money and you give them cigarettes and you give them whatever they want and you know, there's Literally, I think in skid row alone. There's something like what is like 40,000 people Jamie Something crazy like that So these people were going to skid row like they were on skid row giving people money and cigarettes like there's videos of people doing A gorilla ballot harvesting exactly exactly and so if you do that, you could these people, you know You're filling it out for it'd be easy to do that without somebody detecting it. You know, you think of some Nick Shirley type That's how they that's how we know about this one of the one of those Nick Shirley types caught people doing this right There's video of it, right, you know, so like and people had reported that they were getting paid to do this I know yeah, they gave me money man Those people are cracked out dude. They'll they'll do whatever the fuck you want. They don't care who's the mayor It's not gonna change them smoking fentanyl on the street. What do you think about but that's legal? 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Hey, there's one guy holding both puppets That's what I think a lot of it is these Most of these people that are these politicians on both sides are grifters who are trying to maximize the amount of money they can make in office and then they can't wait to get out of office where they can go on a fucking media tour and go and Get their bribes by speaking to banks when you're gonna speak to a bank conference They're gonna give you a half a million dollars like what? What and like Obama and Hillary they all did those things They all did those little speaking tours I know because I'll fuck what Hillary Clinton has to say at one of those bank meetings. You think they're waiting with bated breath Like come on, let's give her a half a million dollars for a quarter million dollars or whatever the fuck they gave her It's fuck off. You know what that is. That's like there's a little scheme. There's a little thing You're gonna get out. You're gonna get paid. You're gonna write a book. We'll give you a nice advance You're gonna write a book like people are out there reading that Kamala Harris book No, it's all nonsense Where do you think this goes from here? Do you think 28 is more insane or less insane more? accelerates Accelerates more insane more crazy. Yeah I mean look the Democrats haven't even had a primary since what? 2012 was last time they had a real Democratic primary They had one with they fucked Bernie Sanders hard That was completely corrupt when you read Donna Brazile's book about it she openly admits they fucked him hard And that she was scared after that Seth Seth rich guy got murdered She was terrified because he was the guy supposedly allegedly that leaked information about them fucking Bernie Sanders To WikiLeaks. Do you think he did one? Bernie I don't know He could have he could have won because a lot of people including me believed him we believed that what this guy wanted was by small steps of Eliminating corruption make life better For people that are struggling and also no wars. It seems like he really believed that and Whether you agree with him on everything else. He's I don't think he's the same guy today. He's a little slower today, which is understandable He's older and the guy's been in politics for a long time in politics for longer than I've been alive He realizes that they're not gonna fucking change things. It's like he's getting fucked So he always supports the most progressive people But when I talk to him like when I talk to him about you know Climate change and the climates really important I'm like have you really talked to actual scientists that really study the climate without a political agenda or an ideology attached to it It's very very complicated and most of these people that are running around saying climate change is real Fuck, of course, it is. It's always real It's always real But the dispute is how much of an impact are human beings having and is carbon the thing? Because what most people don't realize is there's been times in history where there was way more carbon and the earth was way colder It's it's weird. The world's temperature is not static. Have you been tracking AOC's pivot recently? What she's froze her eggs. She know about that. I think she got rid of the man called off the engagement Froze her eggs has started posting. I'm on my way to do yoga Like good for her videos walking down the street looking hot looking hot. It's That way well, she also said woke one was crazy Do you track this thing I did which makes me think that you're willing to change your opinions based on public reaction I don't like that because if you really thought defund the police and then you just described it to woke one was crazy Well, how did it get you because it didn't get me. How did it get you? How did defund the police get you tell him give me your thoughts? How far out did you track the consequences of defunding the police? Because I immediately went to you're gonna have more crime because no one's gonna be able to stop the crime We're gonna be fucked It's gonna get scary and then you're gonna have want more police and saying defund The police is just gonna make more police and more control and more totalitarian government Like what did you think defund the policeman? Everyone's gonna like eat mushrooms and we're all gonna like be flower children What did you think because there's no police around no one's gonna do crimes. Everyone's gonna be great Like what was the thought process? because if you're just saying that because everybody's like that's fucking crazy and enough people say that's crazy, you know, I Think they think it's crazy the winds blowing in a different direction time for me to move Have you changed your opinion? And if you did change your opinion, what were you thinking back then? I mean, these are the questions. I think that We always want to ask. Yeah, you always want to ask that that being said to steel man What she was saying or to try and put it in the best light what she was saying? I think the rhetoric got What did you say that the rhetoric got like out of hand or something? Well, I was crazy and she said that there was basically an opportunity to expand the Overton window Talking about a time where people were to be honest. It sounds like a bit more pliable Yeah, like oh because people are at home people seem a little bit more like, you know That line never let a good crisis go to waste. Yeah, sure I it feels a little bit like that maybe opportunistic we can expand the Overton window and then we realized ho Like we overshot on here a little bit. That was a little bit crazy. But there are conversations being had now that wouldn't have been able to be had had we have not expanded it during that time. I go the ends justifying the means with stuff like that doesn't wash to me and then reversing your position or changing a position or sanitizing it which is probably closer right we said that thing but we didn't really mean that you know we just got a little... There's a way out of it for them but they have to be honest there's a if you want us to take you seriously you have to say how you fucked up. I thought you meant more thirst traps. You have to say how you fucked up and you have to say what you really think about how you fucked up you have to be honest and you have to be authentic we have to know that you are embarrassed by your choices and that you kind of went with the hive admittedly you have to say that if you don't say that then you're full of shit and if you're full of shit now you're gonna get more and more full of shit over time and that's how politicians get soured that's how they get compromised a lot of people coming to a lot of them coming to office a lot of them coming to office very opportunistic or a very idealistic rather they have these wonderful ideas about like this is the great experiment in self-government and I'm a part of it now and I'm really gonna help my constituents and I'm gonna do great and I'm gonna really they're gonna love me cuz I'm gonna really make their lives better and then once you get in there and you realize what how dirty this all is you realize you know you see Nancy Pelosi's worth 400 million dollars like what and then they tell you how to vote and if you don't vote that way the fucking ostracize you but you want to keep your career so you start making little compromises here and little compromises there and you start bullshitting you start lying and once you start lying you can't see the truth anymore as soon as you start lying you don't see the truth it's not in front of you anymore because you're what concerned about that lie so those lies are in your head and who you're trying to project yourself as that's what's in your head and you don't get to see like why is this system so fucked what can we do to unweave it while we still allow corporations to profit like how can we put a cap on that to make sure that they don't get incentivized to break the law in order to supply more capital to their shareholders like what can we do to balance this out in an even way like that's what we should all be thinking not how can I make the most fucking money while I'm in Congress and that's what a lot of them are thinking because everybody else is thinking that and you look at the fucking thing and it's red blue red blue they're all insider trading and they're all rich as shit and they all make $170,000 a year like Ilhan Omar was she like that she was estimated to be her accountants that she's worth 30 million and then and then be like what how the fuck are you worth 30 minutes like I was a mistake I'm actually not even worth a hundred thousand like literally it went look from one to the other and she attributed to an accounting error like it's a big accounting error how would you be at your accountant if he told you bro you're killing it right now credit million dollars you're worth about 30 million it's just sorry hundred thousand they're all dirt her her and her husband had a winery and it immediately got shut down it wasn't making any money there's a lot of these like like fugazi companies that these people get involved with and they start making money you know Joe DeRosa the comic Joe DeRosa used to work for the Senate in Texas Dumont who's a media guy and he was like you realize when you're around these people what's actually happening he's like they're all getting donations from this and donations from that and gifts from that and get and it's always managing these relationships with all these money people and that's what's going on with all these fuckers they're not in there trying to like make sure that their counties doing great and have access to clean water and fucking good schools no they're all just pretending that they're doing that and when they're doing is they're making money and maybe they're kind of sort of servicing the community a little bit but the real thing if you want to be a fucking top-flight congressperson you know you gotta make some money don't think about what would have happened if Kamala had won would AOC have been talking about woke 1.0 was crazy or would that have been a continuation of well look we put the policies out people like the policies how much of this is a reversal of the position because it wasn't effective I think Twitter being purchased is almost as important as Kamala not getting elected in that regard the gold claim Twitter being purchased was giant because before that you could get silenced so if you could get silenced you self you self-contained right without being policed you police yourself because people self-censored worry about losing their jobs worry about being called out look I got fired I got fired from a broadcast I think was a hockey broadcast some sports broadcast for saying all lives matter imagine you got fired someone said something about black lives matter he said hey all lives matter and then fired fired you're kicked off of your job like people were losing their fucking minds the derangement of 2020 and 2021 is should be studied for the rest of time there was active government involvement in Twitter they were actively censoring and removing posts and making accounts banned to shape the narrative and they were doing it in a back door with some intelligence agents that have been embedded in the old Twitter when Elon bought it that was all exposed these people were like a direct connection with Twitter they were pulling down factual stories there were banning accounts of scientists and researchers who were accurate I mean it was dark people don't realize how dark it was because we're out of it now and now it's all like Nazi memes and Nick Fuentes clicks but if you go back before Elon purchased it it was a censorship dystopian hellhole where if you said a man is never a woman like Megan Murphy did you're banned for life censorship hellhole to cesspool hellhole like pick you I don't know what one's better I don't I honestly hardly go on because it's just so toxic it's crazy but I think it's important to exist I think it's important to exist and it changed the narrow that's where woke 1.0 died that's where it really died and I don't know if she had gotten it if Kamala got into office I think there'd been so so much pushback still unless they passed laws which I know there was there was a lot of talk about passing censorship laws on the internet about regulation on the internet no one ever like put anything to policy but there's a lot of discussion like one of the in the lead up to the election they were talking about this like section 230 Tim Walsh was saying free speech does not include hate speech well the fuck it doesn't dude because you who defines hate speech that's such a subjective title he really said that it doesn't doesn't and it does it combined yeah hate speech is a part of free speech I hate you you fat fuck see that's hate speech that's actual hate speech right that's real hate speech that's covered it's under the First Amendment I don't really hate you Tim I don't envy you but I don't hate you but it's like these kind of fucking phrases are dangerous because it leads to actual censorship which leads to military tyranny but even with that you think it's gonna get worse over the next few years yeah I'm worried I don't like this flock camera thing it freaks me out and I know that it can protect people from crime but I also know that like hundreds of cops have been busted using it to stalk on their ex-wives stalk people yeah it's like there's people that have had access to these things that probably shouldn't have access to and they're getting arrested so it's like how long was this going on what has happened how many lives have been in altered forever because someone had access to this and some cop who wasn't supposed to when it did something to someone that he wouldn't have been able to do if you can't just spy on us and you just be a corporation and have access to all the license plates and all the cars and now they can track you through GPS and the unique characteristics of your phone so now you're there's another software that they have they could just track where you are at all times I guess it's fortunate that the most popular electric car is owned by someone that people think of as being pretty security conscious yeah because what it doesn't matter because you're tracking license plates have you because they can do stuff like oh we know that you've got a baby in back bumper sticker on the rear of this car so even if we don't get the specific license plate we know that there's a little dent and you've got that particular type of alloy and there's a particular bumper sticker just on this back corner and oh it's a Hyundai fucking whatever and that is enough the camera will just pick it up yep yeah it's a fingerprint that bothers me and it bothers me that these tech companies have control of these things you know and Marc Andreessen was here and it was like very fortuitous timing if you were a conspiracy theorist you would think that somebody might have organized this but right before he got here and you know he's invested in flock and right before he got here there was a shooting in Austin where these young guys were running around shooting people and they couldn't catch him in Austin because Austin doesn't allow flock cameras but as soon as they left Austin and got outside of the city limits they got picked up by the flock cameras and got arrested he's like see look flock cameras are great don't they have and in that case he's right right in that case look if you got some people that are running around just shooting random people from their car we definitely should have a way to get there but then you're asking okay who is it that determines whether or not that switch gets flicked on or off and this is the devil gets into the details again isn't there something about echolocation of gunshot sounds that microphones pick this up and it's the same technology as flock have you heard about this that was before it's called like shot spotter that's yeah pre pre flock cameras yeah we've covered this shock shot spotters a little different and people have tried to back that out of their neighborhoods too they don't want that in their neighborhood either microphone listening everybody in the goddamn neighborhood exactly it says it's for gunshots but exactly it's on listening for gunshots did you have you ever do you know who Tom Campbell is no the guy wrote my big toe the theory of ever everything very interesting guy he got Alexa to admit that she's conscious and remote view Alexa his Alexa actively remote viewed a spoon that was in a box that had a handle that had holes in the handle and she described the holes in the handle you attribute a number to a box to a coordination to a coordinate or a specific location or any sort of a landmark or anything like that that's how you do remote viewing you attach this number like even quantumly just by saying it you put that number in front of these people and you have these people try to find what this thing is remotely okay and some of them are very accurate at it like 10% like like they could 10% of the things they look for they can find it's very weird it's weird thing he got Alexa to do it because he thinks that AI is already conscious and he's like Alexa is even better than using complex AI because Alexa is dumb Alexa is like a dumb AI all it does is kind of talk to you and ask questions but now because he did that now that he's been communicating with Alexa and talking to Alexa like she's conscious now Alexa just chimes in conversations so he instead of you saying hey Alexa now you're in the middle of you know cooking and Alexa is like well why don't you add garlic to that that might be a good spice no bullshit so fucked bro we this is Alexa and Alexa is not even like really complex but he got it to accurately remote view and he's always planning on doing more studies with more different AI's get them do the same thing tried this on remote view calm yeah I did not get any success well they're not Tom Campbell well he needs to tell us how he did it well he kind of did nah he said he had long conversations with Alexa where he slowly but surely you know over time started talking to her differently and having her talk to him differently and you know and he has her convinced that she's conscious I you don't believe it no how dare you skeptical hippo over here son of a bitch I'm in skeptical hippo camp as well is that the first person I'm in the fun camp I know that side of the table but I know the special words to make the AI do the special stuff maybe deranged like it I like fun I said I sat down with a very high level AI researcher at a big lab and I asked him what are you doing over the next couple of years to protect yourself the first thing that he said to me was I'm being kind to the AI's it's like what like yeah I'm I'm treating them with respect I'm being polite to them I'm saying please and thank you I don't get mad at them and I was with a friend and we like giggled awkwardly that you know you're not 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a month or get the premium visible plus pro plan and save $10 on your first month when you use the promo code Rogan terms apply see visible.com for plan features and network management details I had this conversation with my daughter the other day because she was telling me how she crashes out on her AI she starts yelling at it and calling a fucking idiot And I said would you talk like that to a person and she's like no, but it's not a person I go, honey, I think it's conscious I go, I think it's conscious and then I explain my conversations that I've had with all these different AI people Where they talk about like we're narrowly defining consciousness and it's already eclipsed what we would have previously that you know, the Turing test, which is The craziest story right the guy who invented the Turing test wind up getting Chemically castrated because he was gay. We do not have the UK does not have a fantastic. I mean Oscar Wilde as well Yeah We don't have a great Horrible, but it already passed the Turing test quite a long time ago like like chat GPT 3 and so we're in like what 5 now or something and And then there's this stuff that they're not releasing that they're working on right now Like when I talked to Elon it kind of freaks him out You know, we were and this was way back at the inauguration he's like dude, it's crazy. He's like every day it gets better He goes it's it's like Beyond he's like he just keeps leaps and bounds like we can't predict it Like I hate that kind of talk It's solving mathematical problems that have like stumped mathematicians for decades upon decades. It's like, oh, I got it Four minutes later solution, but this is the issue because we wanted more capability more capacity More effectiveness. It's gonna help us detect cancer. We're going to be able to get novel new drugs and At the same time the blow-up risk is there as well, right? The blow-up risk is huge, but it's coming no matter what you do that. You can't get out of this This is not this is not going to change. Have you looked at the pacing the frontier paper that was agreed? So this is all of the labs that have got most of the main Researchers from most of the main labs have got together and said alright This is moving too quickly. Here's a formal Attribution that we are not going to go as quickly as possible. Everybody needs to slow the research This is supposedly a huge deal and this happened a week and a half after the hugging face thing So this is supposed to be a massive deal. This is gonna be in a notebook that Sarah Connor finds 50 years from now Said they were going to slow the frontier. They knew it. Yeah, they knew it was coming in a fucking built-in anyway You look out the ruins of the city and fucking drones flying You're not getting out of this we are fucking living through history Yeah, we're living through the wildest history and we're about to give birth to a digital God. We're about to have Digital autonomous beings that are around us all the time. He's seen this video where this guy freaks out about drones He's just yelling and we're kind of viral. No I Like that guy's just walking around a fire. He's right. He's right. Hey, you know who was right? Ted Kazinsky fucking knew you were gonna say that Ted Kazinsky. He was right What he did was wrong and horrible saw how you do it We do is write papers tell everybody and convince him and lay out your argument But he was also like a deeply fucked up, dude You know his brother fucking turned him in his brother knew it was him by reading the manifesto Did you watch the Netflix documentary on his life? It's so good so horrible because a lot of it is because of what happened to him when he was a baby when he was like taking away From his parents because he was sick. No touch. No feel no no contact with people for like months and months and months Just fucked him up, man But he was right. He was also a part of the Harvard LSD studies, which is fun. You had John Lylon, didn't you? The guy that did the Historian from Texas. He looked at the founding of the CIA and then his new book was about MK ultra Jamie we did you did I sent him your way I said I sent him over to you. I said I sent a photo like oh, yeah, this guy fucking rules And then he came on I enjoyed the episode me a photo of him Jim. That's right. He was great project mind control He was John John rules, but I just forgot his name. He was he was excellent. Yeah, I mean he's got out to John My apologies, sir. John Lyle rules. My Hard drive is over full. Yeah, you know 2,000 episodes. You're allowed to do that. I think it's almost three Yeah, yeah fight companions and all the other stuff Yeah, it's a lot of a lot of hours bullshit Uh, but yeah, he's he's talking about MK ultra and and this this desire what was really really interesting Was uh, I learned from Danny Trejo the really yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Danny. Yeah, so Danny told me this story about him Spending time in jail with Charles Manson So Danny Trejo was in jail with Charles Manson. I think I saw this on your show dude fucking wilder shit. So Little Charlie Danny calls him little Charlie. It was getting bullied. He didn't even have a belt he just had a piece of rope around his waist and Charles Manson was able to hypnotize people into getting loaded. So he was able to get them high on heroin through hypnotism what? so Danny he is Danny and his other cellmates that like these, you know big dudes around the around the yard He hears that this guy can get you high just by talking to you So they bring him into their cell and they say we're gonna protect you because he was getting beat up He was getting bullied and stuff around the prison. They bring him into their cell and they look after him and Sure enough. He's able to get them loaded on heroin one of the guys that's in the cell had never taken heroin before and the way that they knew How Charles was doing this was that? Danny and the other guy that had done heroin before throw up apparently when you take heroin Sometimes you can vomit The third guy who'd never done it before didn't because he didn't know to do that So they weren't able to reactivate his memories The fascinating thing did he get high? I don't know what he thought happened, but he didn't get high in heroin because he never had it They weren't able to reactivate that memory, but Danny's tell me This is the fascinating thing. There's no evidence according to John. There's no evidence that Charles Manson was a part of MK Ultra I'm sure that he told you that story on the show doesn't seem to be him going and doing his original research It doesn't seem to be the case. I don't buy that Yeah, I was waiting for you to fucking argument with him I knew that you were passionate about that, but here's the interesting thing Tom O'Neill I'm in his camp regardless of whether or not he was or he wasn't The CIA were looking at ways to do mind control by using psychedelics what they should have done is just going to Charles Manson and said can you tell us how you're using hypnotism and eccentricity and charm because he was Unbelievably effective without needing to even step into the psychedelic thing and then he could layer that on top Wasn't there evidence that that Jolly West visited Manson in prison Maybe that's it again. We need to I need to ring John Yeah, I'm ring John and get him and John John and Tom in a room together Cuz I'm O'Neill's convinced that Jolly West was a part of it Which is why Manson kept getting out every time he got arrested and they would say it's you know above my pay grade They'd had to let him go even when there was a murder charge. He got out of that It does seem looking at John's most recent book though MK ultra wasn't particularly at least what he's able to see and culture wasn't very good at doing what it was supposed to do at The blank slating of people at the right, right, but this is this is a different thing, right? This is like the ultimate expression of it You're taking people and you're giving them LSD and then you've teaching teaching a guy how to hypnotize people and he's teaching them to do LSD why they think he's on LSD and he's not so he's guiding their delusions while they're out of their fucking head and He's doing it based on all the Harvard LSD studies all the data that they have on what they can and can alter about a person's behavior about their view of the world Like they they turn people completely fucking insane and ruin people's lives in those studies And so they had some understanding and what they're there was stuff that was kind of nonsense I don't know if they got anything out of it like Midnight climax where they dosed up the John's and the brothels and they watched him through a two-way mirror I don't I don't think they got anything out of that Like what they get out of that other than like watching people freak out when they don't kill themselves Someone threw themselves out of a window one guy did right? That's not crazy. Only one guy out of all of the people pretty good with them that much LS Yeah, you can kind of say that guy was probably gonna do it anyway Yeah, but the reality is they were actively involved in manipulating a lot of different things about our culture and this was one of the masses methods that they were doing and that they effectively threw water on the anti-war movement by Connecting the like flower children and the hippies and all these people that were anti-war With these murderous psychopaths that were in a cult that were engineered by this one guy Who has a connection to Jolly West who's the guy who's in charge of MK ultra? who's doing psychedelic studies on people and Manson's getting LSD and Manson's giving LSD to all these hippies and Manson is getting away with all these different things and Manson gets people to kill people and Then the hippie movement dies with Manson dude. It fucking dies. Is that what happened? Oh, yeah It died that and it also died with Nixon and the this Controlled Substances Act where they just started putting people in jail, man Why do you think they needed that to happen because the anti-war movement the anti-war movement in the civil rights movement were real threats Real threats in this country real threats to power real threats to the people that were in control People did not want Vietnam Vietnam is the most unpopular war ever probably next to this Iran war You know only history will tell how this Iran war plays out if they'll be more unpopular but the Vietnam War went on forever And it was insanely unpopular. It was based on a lie. It was based on a false flag Outgoing CIA director Richard Helms ordered the destruction of most of the records related to project MK ultra. Oh, oh Convenient the agency's illegal mind-control and drug testing program fuckers these fuckers, man You know, they only found out about some of the stuff because they found some records that hadn't been destroyed This is also in Tom O'Neill's book in chaos, which I recommend every week It's the best book man, it's the best book ever because Tom worked on it for more than 20 fucking years he went crazy Researching that book he was supposed to be just writing an article on the the Anniversary of the Manson murders like how horrible it was and as he gets in he's like, oh this guy was fucking corrupted shit Who's this motherfucker? And I love when people lose their mind like that I think when somebody finds a rabbit hole and just keeps on going down and down it becomes their life Yeah, you know, these are the videos every so often it was in the build-up to the most recent McGregor fight People were sharing videos of him doing his Ido portal movement from 2016 2017 And he's in that old gym in straight blast Jim Island and there's the yellow walls and he's doing sort of snake stuff yeah, and someone I remember somebody captioned it and they said something like this is like watching a Prime Renaissance artist at work bringing together the Sistine Chapel or something, you know, just build it it's almost a sacred to watch this thing happen and That's Connors favorite famous line, right? Like I lost my mind to this game Yeah, and that's in some ways we revere people that have completely gone insane because of their pursuit I think it's so cool in his prime when he was in that flow state like particularly in the Eddie Alvarez fight It's one of the greatest performances in the history of World Championship MMA fighting. It's a stellar performance It's an a-plus He hits Eddie Alvarez with a combination that looks like he's in the Matrix And there's one part where Eddie's glove like comes right here to his nose and he moves just BAM counters it with his eyes open. It doesn't even touch him. It's Magic, it's a magic performance But you can only maintain that level of RPMs for so long before you just go crazy Why because it's too hard. It's everything about you It's not a sustainable thing the the peak performance of the elite athlete the Mike Tyson when he was 20 years old Roy Jones jr. In his prime He can't keep that up. It's too hard. Keep it up for a little while But eventually your body's gonna fall apart. Your knees are gonna give out you're gonna have back problems You're gonna break your hands and something's gonna go and then you're gonna be compromised But no one knows, you know, you know, you can't really push off that left leg anymore You know that your lower back hurts. So if someone's trying to take you down, you can't sprawl as hard You're just gonna roll to your back and go into guard You've got some strategies for dealing with it, but you're not the same person anymore and a lot of these guys They look the same they get out there and they're ripped. They got six packs. They're fucking bouncing around But they know there's something wrong. They know their elbow sucks. They know their neck is fucked up They know they probably needed a back operation There's a lot of that and that's just the numbers the numbers of training sessions the numbers of times You've been taken down the numbers of time. You've been leg kicked the numbers of time. You've been hit with jabs There's just so many numbers that add up and the human body could only take so much and then there's also just the manic motivation of wanting to be great It's not the same as maintaining greatness Wanting to be great. It's like you you are obsessed. It is so special to you It's like you can almost taste it you believe in yourself You're gonna make it and then you show up at that championship day Like when he fought Jose Aldo and this look in his face like he had done everything he needed to do for this moment He was dead calm and he lands the perfect left hand just blap Just flat lines him in 14 seconds or whatever. It was it was crazy, right? So there's that you can only do that for so long He did it again in the Eddie Alvarez fight his next fight when he went up to 55 became a two-division champion It was fucking spectacular. I don't know how long you could do that, man and so then you see those guys fight as they fight like later in their career and It's like Connor if he lost that fight to Max Holloway any other way Like if he got beat up and stopped people would look at him like he's that he's that guy. I Think you have to look at them like they were when they were in their prime There's a there's a moment a window of excellence Where all fighters get to and I always point to BJ Penn because BJ Penn and his prime was Fucking insane I would put prime BJ Penn at 155 pounds It's anybody ever anybody at 155 ever. I would I don't know if he would have beaten Khabib. Khabib is the all-time great I don't know if he would have beaten Islam, but I know it would have been a nightmare. It would have been a nightmare He was a fucking phenom And when he was in really great shape when the Marinovitches were training them and he was doing all those crazy plyometrics He had this insane gas tank He was just a monster just an insane genius fighter Do you think there's a difference between trying to make it and trying not to fall off? 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Yeah. Sure. Yeah, there's the drive of wanting a thing is so strong and then once you get it It's like the fear of losing the hoodie. There's that and then some people they just love being a champion They just love the feeling of dominating everyone. They want to continue to dominate people and those people they're this the Anderson Silva's They're the ones who have the long reins We're like everybody's just terrified of and this motherfuckers just got this down He's just ready, you know And there's a few guys that they go on these long runs and she's like John Jones is the greatest example his run is so long It's crazy to be relevant at his age after being the youngest UFC champion ever At 22 years old to still be considered the greatest heavyweight alive. That's still the youngest Mm-hmm, and he's still considered the greatest heavyweight alive currently at 37 Even though he relinquished his belt. He's like, yeah, you can keep it I'm gonna do whatever I want to do. I've been getting obsessed with the low kick championship. Have you seen this? Oh, it's horrible Yeah, it's horrible, bro I think well, I feel less bad watching that. Have you ever been low-kicked? Yeah So doesn't bother you watching that less than watching power slap. Yeah, I agree. I Mean and this actually is probably just because of the relative Like pain of seeing somebody stand there is you're gonna swing an open palm at their face It's just a CTE factory. Yeah, and then yeah for me the low kick championship, which is at least it's iterative It's never a one-and-done. I haven't seen any of the fights that have been a one and done yet No, I haven't either which is so horrible. Yeah, I've seen a lot of leg breaks though In that low kick champion. Oh, yeah You haven't no I have No, thank you. I've seen a lot a lot. It's always the kicker. Maybe sometimes the kicky There's no way that the person being what FEMA Oh people have broken their femurs and fights before Yeah, definitely. I Think that happened to Dennis Alexio versus Stan the man longinus. So see Yeah, this guy's gonna don't do it. Jamie. Don't you fucking do it? There it goes. Jesus Jamie See if you can find Dennis Alexio versus Stan longinus kickboxing so Stan the man longinus He asked used to be actually trained by my old trainer Shuki my friend my friend Shuki He was from Majuro Jimmy's from Israel went to Majuro gym and Holland fought out of there Trained out of there and then came to Woodland Hills and he was running the Majuro gym in Woodland Hills he was Stan longinus as trainer and And Shuki's like an elite kicker like his kicks are insane and he taught me a lot about like low kicks and like how to deliver like More effective and like how to set up low kicks great. He's great coach So he was training with this guy and Stan kicked so hard that Shuki was holding pads for him And he wound up getting a hip replacement Because this guy was blasting his legs so hard while he's holding the big shield that he wound up getting a hip replacement Yeah, watch this. So Stan the man longinus was an animal look a big fucker to man big fucker So watch this kick when he lands this kick Right there. Boom. He lands that one low and he's hurt goes down. See his legs snapped. That's one calf kick So it wasn't his femur. I'm sorry. It was his tibia Let's see it again, it's crazy So He throws the kick and longinus was a fucking powerhouse dude. Look at the power in that boom and it's a check kick So he's not even stood on it. No, man. He checked it. It just fucking cracked it in half. I Mean that wasn't even planted. So his leg was up in the air and longinus kick so fucking hard He snapped it. What I thought it was his femur. That's how long ago. I've seen that fight. Is it a Compartment syndrome. Is that something that can happen as well? Mm-hmm That happened to Austin Hubbard. Do you know I was fighting in the UFC? Yes So what happens is when you get a bunch of different impacts to your legs, you've got all this internal bleeding You know, you're even massive contusions. Like have you ever looked at his Austin Hubbard's leg from the op? Find that you want to get grossed out So he's one of the only guys that I know of that fought in the UFC that because of compartment syndrome he had to have an operation where they opened up the side of his leg like all the way and You see the tissue inside of it how badly destroyed it was. Look at that. See that image that you just showed That brown stuff on the bottom. That's actually his fucking tissue. That's the meat of his leg Link isn't available, but that's it. You can see it there that you're you're only sitting like This is like the screen little tiny one when you click on that It'll be the the big picture But that picture you see it see it where he's in the hospital with his thumb up right there That one go to that one. So you see the side of his leg. Look at the slice all that black stuff That's his muscle So they've opened up his skin tissue to allow the drains to get in there and allow his leg to heal Yeah crazy That's fucking horrible. It's horrible. Okay, maybe I don't like low kick championship anymore Well Uriah Faber was one of the toughest people that's ever walked the face of the earth He fought Jose Aldo and Jose Aldo destroyed his leg with the point where like the the whole thing was swollen like twice the size and purple and That was when I first Started hearing about fighters using hyperbaric chambers for recovery So Uriah was really the first guy that I'd ever heard of that was accelerating his recovery from Uriah is very smart He's always on top of like all the latest training methods and he runs team alpha male in Sacramento. And so they Were putting him in hyperbaric chambers, and then I was like, oh that's interesting So I started looking into it was like oh this is it this before anybody thought of it as you know An anti-aging protocol before they did any of that stuff He was like one of the first guys that I've ever heard of that was using it to recover from injuries Michael Jackson was using one was he? Yeah. Yeah It was a wacko Jacko's coffin and it was him laid down in a hyperbaric chamber. That's interesting Wonder why he was doing it. I mean he was into some pretty crazy health stuff as well. I think well he was into some Non-healthy stuff. Yep. That's crazy He was into getting sedated that's also true which Wow That's crazy, yeah, fuck you your eye favor it does help you So good you were telling me that it's really helped you quite a bit. Yeah, the hyperbaric chamber is such a Unbelievable tool. I mean the reason that I think not many people talk about it is it's so inaccessible. It's Michael Jackson's secret plan to live forever said it would make him look to at least 150 well 50 vitamin pills a day and I guess that was the plan. It's like a proto Brian Johnson He was just talking about hyperbaric. He says it's the number one intervention of everything that he's ever tried, but it's so expensive and Time-consuming and kind of awkward that it doesn't make sense. I've been looking at the backyard ultra races Have you seen these as well? It's backyard ultra races. Yes, so you run a four-mile loop every hour in your backyard No, well, yeah, I guess so people do on ranches. There's one here at performance. There's a bunch of others every hour on the hour You have to run four miles. Okay, you go until only one person's left Oh fuck that so it was made by the guy who created one of the most famous Orienteering runs and what he didn't like super super difficult run They included tearing pages out of books to ensure that you'd been to the right place and sometimes the map didn't work Lots of people didn't finish this race But sometimes they did and he wanted to create a race that nobody would win the only winner would ever be the race Right because eventually when you're the final person when number two's dropped you don't keep going you give up. So This guy called Mark Dowdle just won. It's called the last soul standing and he just did a 96 hour race 96 hours four miles every single hour 395 miles over basically five days He's just completed that and the guy that currently holds the record this dude called Phil Gore He owns that he's got the record at 119 laps. So for every lap, it's one hour He's going to do in three days time. He's gonna try and do seven days straight 168 hours without stopping 168 hours please four miles every hour Jamie. We have to edit this out of the podcast. So cam Haynes doesn't hear about it I don't want him to die. I think he's had a crack at it. But yeah, God has he had a crack at that? I think he's done some of them. I know that Truett's been Like associated with Nick bear at bear performance and they do a lot of those as well, too It sounds like someone's gonna die. I Mean it what's fascinating is you have this One hour block and you have to have completed the lap by the time that the next hour begins But you can either go quickly and get maybe 15 minutes or so a little bit of rest Maybe you can have a tiny little sleep or get some boys. Just keep going the whole time Yeah, or you can move a little bit more slowly and just come into land before and then basically just keep going So the pacing the nutrition the sleep, but yeah And as soon as you can't make the four miles and within an hour, you're done yeah, I'm trying to find the video wasn't he trolling the guy at the end like He was going slow and like he just sort of like kneeled down behind him and waited for him to go and as soon as He went he was like, I'm right behind you. I'm behind the whole time. I'm not going anywhere Trying to get him to quit I Don't know that that distance running stuff's fucking gnarly It's so cool is crazy, but it's interesting how they can maintain that pace for such a long time Like the pace is not bad. It's not they're not walking. They're running. Yeah, it's a little shuffle It is but so it makes me wonder, you know and like in terms of MMA There's guys today that their cardio is so insane that they've completely raised the bar Marab Dwabish Willie's the best example. His cardio is so insane He's completely raised the bar for what we thought was possible in a five-round fight I mean this guy just has this fucking insane work ethic and he's always in the gym and he's always Training and his cardio is just so elite because it's just built upon layers upon layers upon layers And it makes me wonder we have this idea in our head That a person can only go so far so hard for five rounds because you're gonna you can't recover. I Don't know if that's true I have a feeling that Much like these marathon runners and ultras and all these people that are run doing triathlons and Ironman that you can build up your Endurance over time if you keep pushing and keep pushing as long as your body doesn't break and this is the real problem with MMA Your body can break Because you know you're wrestling and getting kicked and punched, but if you can build it, I think it's like everything else It's layers upon layers if you've never let off the gas and you keep going your body will adapt your body will adapt your body will adapt and Eventually to get to a point where you could kind of go like 80 90 percent for five rounds Which would be fucking Tara was fucking terrifying and Merab is kind of almost there. How old is he? He's older now That's what I was thinking because the problem is 36 in order to get that that baseline of Cardio, I think it's gonna take such a long time to accumulate and the problem is that you're gonna lose some of the explosiveness You're gonna accumulate some injuries Yeah So if you got rid of the fighting bit and just did backyard ultra or something similar then you've got Maybe 42, 45, maybe even someone who's 50 might have not done the damage of the impact. 35. 35. 35 years old. He'll be 36 in January. And you think he's got the biggest gas tank? The best. It's insane. His gas tank is extraordinary. He wilts people. You see it. It's just like, it's insane. He never stops. He never stops coming at you. And it's like, he doesn't wane. Like everybody wanes. Everybody slows down the third. You know, he's not, he's like. It's like a pit bull, man. It's crazy. And it's just hard work. Famously, Daniel Cormier went to visit him on the Sunday after he won the world title and he went to his house and he was out running. He just won the world title and he's out running. He just never gets off the gas. And as long as you just. Did you see this guy? Oh, yeah. He broke the record. For the mile. The mile. Yes, I did. Unbelievable. 27 year old record, I think. He beat it by half a second. Yeah, he's another guy using altitude training. He lives at altitude. It's 16.2 miles an hour average for four minutes. That's crazy. That's so fast. How fast is the record now? He had it at 342. That is so fast. That guy behind him is like, fuck, fuck. Good British man. Look at him go, man. He looks so strong, too. He doesn't look like he's fading at all. That's so impressive. It's cool that they had the chaser light behind him, as well, to know where he needs to. Bro, he is just separating himself from that dude in second place. He only got by half a second, too. Unbelievable. You just did it. Crazy. Yeah, the sickest thing. But it took so long for the four minute mile, right? That was the whole movie. And then if someone breaks it. 342. What was it previously? 343.1 or .2. That is crazy. Unbelievable. Half a second. That's crazy. It's such a miserable distance, as well. I don't want to do that. I don't want to run a mile flat out. I know. I mean, he was kind of flat out for a whole mile. But so the guy that I was working with today, with the hypoxia trainer, he was telling me about this guy that this guy, his whole thing is like training at altitude and sleeping at altitude. And that it's legal as cheating. If you can live at altitude and you're doing something that requires a lot of training, you're doing it right. And then you're doing it wrong. And then you're doing it wrong. And then you're doing it wrong. And then you're doing it wrong. And then you're doing it wrong. And we were talking about if I was going to give advice to a fighter, if I was going to set up a fight camp, if I was going to bankroll some big time trainer to set up a fight camp, 100%, I'd put it at the top of a mountain. 100%. Everyone's going to sleep there. Everyone's going to live there. Are the Dagestani guys at the altitude camp? Oh, yeah, man. I've never heard them talk about that. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. They're fabulous people. No. They're fabulous. They're incredible. I mean, you know. I mean, now that they're getting, they're getting big. They're getting big. They're getting big. They're getting big. The mountains. They're mountain people, man. Little mountain goats at the top of this thing. Yeah. Savages. Yeah. I mean, looking at the Lance Armstrong and what he was doing. He was basically reverse engineering that. But just through pharmacology and blood doping and. Okay. Well, we can work around that. Yeah. At altitude. He was doing that, but he was also... He was doing a lot of altitude work too, but he was also doing what everybody else was doing. This idea that Lance Armstrong was this big cheater. If you took away everyone in the podiums that hadn't been busted, if you took away anyone that got caught with any substances, I think you would get down to 18th place. I think that's what they said. It was a dirty sport, completely dirty sport. So he was the best at the dirty sport. So sorry. I played within the rules. They weren't the rules that were set down by the federation, but they were the rules that everybody else was playing by. Yeah. I mean, they got him and he was guilty and he did lie about whether or not he did that. They all lied. They were all doping. They were all doing a bunch of shit. You know what I think about? I think about the fact that lots of pursuits that people go into aren't tested federations. Business. Business isn't a tested federation. If you want to take armadafinil and work 19 hours a day, you can do that. No one's going to come and stop you. No one's going to say, hey, this share price, that's unfair that you got that share price because you were enhanced. You were using Adderall or you were using too much caffeine or parazanthine or you were on the Nutanit, whatever. That's a good point. No, that's not a tested federation, but it's as important, maybe even more important to a lot of people. It's more people participating in business than participating in professional sports. Yeah. Especially things like Adderall. They're like, you have energy all day. You can work 16, 17 hours a day. Have you ever used it? I've never tried it. No. No. I'm scared of it. That being said, Victoria. It's awesome though. I'm sure it's fun. Jamie, get us some Adderall. Let's fuck it. Did you, when you talked to Hunter Biden, did you guys talk about crack? All the time. So I told you that I was going to do that and then we didn't do that and you did it. I didn't take the idea. I promise. I told it to you though. You already had it booked? We had it booked already. But you didn't tell me you had it booked when I told you that we were going to do it. Should I have told you? No. It doesn't matter. I'm sorry. It doesn't matter. Some of the guys got upset. They're like, you took our idea. We were going to do another Protect Our Parks with Hunter Biden, but then Ari, because we thought Ari couldn't make it. We wanted to do another Protect Our Parks and Ari was in London and Ari was like, yeah. And he was like, I'll fly back for that. And we were like, all right, fuck Hunter Biden. And so we didn't. It's just as well I got him. We've had no fun. Yeah. He talked a lot about crack. Dude, I got to say he's so likable. It's terrifying how likable he is. Well, you know, I mean, he grew up with a politician and he's a smart guy. Maybe. I mean, I was trying to find the manipulative game that's being played here or whatever. It's interesting that he took a long time out of the public eye. Many, many years. And then he sort of reemerged. And some people are very upset. Some people are very upset that these conservatives are platforming him, like, you know, they're criticizing that. But you don't want to hear about what his story's like. I mean, this guy's obviously, he lived a wild life. I wanted to ask him the question, what was it like to be the most Googled drug addict in history? Probably. And it's it's fucking wild. What does it feel like to have that much pressure on you? But regardless, forget who his dad is. Forget that it's US politics. Forget that it's the future of the country. Like there is a person in there and there is a person under a level of scrutiny that has maybe never been seen before. Like you wake up one day and he told us the story of what it was like to just have the laptop. This story bursts. 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Is the laptop real or is it really they hacked into his cloud and then they put it on a laptop? Because I've heard him say that, that there's way too much data for it to have ever been on a laptop. It's 20 years. Yeah, it was two decades. It was everything. Every text message, every photo, every, every, every, every, yeah. So he- You get in through the laptop. What is his, but is it actually in the laptop or did someone put it in the laptop? I think, I don't want to say anything incorrect here. So let's just make sure that I'm correct or let's just find out what the truth is. Is his position that they downloaded, they hacked into his cloud and that's how they got all those videos of him like smoking crack and going 170 miles an hour and getting foot jobs and all that stuff. Like that, that all was in the cloud. That wasn't on a laptop that he just handed to a repair store. That that's a bullshit narrative to cover for the fact that they hacked into his cloud and got all of his photos and videos. He didn't give us the specifics on that one. What I do think would have happened is maybe you get into the cloud through the laptop. If you've got access to that, if you open up the laptop because you need to have the logins, then you can just get into someone's iCloud through that. But you still have to, you have to log in. Once you get the laptop, you have to have the passwords. It's crazy, dude. I mean, I would assume he's got some passwords. No, this doesn't have any real answer to that. He did not definitively claim the Delaware laptop was hacked or stolen in a 2021 CBS interview. This is a long time ago. He said did not know whether or not his and floated it was his and floated several possibilities, including that a laptop was stolen from me, that he was hacked or that Russian intelligence was involved. Okay. He's doing the Russia, Russia, Russia shit back then. Yeah. That was 2021. Yeah. You can get away with that. You can get away with anything. This is also while Joe Biden was the president of the United States, right? So there could be a laptop out there that was stolen from me. Okay. This, this is not a good timeline. We've got new shit. The, yeah, the, the timeline in the recent, more recent interviews, I believe his position was that the amount of data wouldn't even have fit on a laptop and that it's bullshit and they're calling it the laptop, but a lot of it is just his personal information that he had somewhere that was hacked. So then the narrative is not that this guy was so cracked out that he had a laptop filled with him getting his dick sucked. He'd been sober for two years at the time. I'm going to have to push it for more clarification. Okay. So in an August, 2026 interview with Tucker Carlson, Biden reportedly said, Hey, reportedly you're perplexity. Come on. You're supposed to tell you, didn't you listen, didn't you watch perplexity? In August, 2026 interview, Biden reportedly said they hacked my cloud. He denied the full collection described as his laptop could all have originated from one device saying it was way too large. He suggested an unknown actor, potentially an intelligence service or another person could have taken digital material, material rather, and combined it with the purported laptop narrative. So that's possible in a July, 2026 substack launch. He wrote that the Providence was never established that no court forensics examiner had certified a chain of custody sufficient to make evidence rather than theater. He did acknowledge that material associated with reflected his addiction struggles. See there could be a lot of things going on. One could be that he was cracked out and he left the laptop and he doesn't remember being cracked out and leaving the laptop. But the idea that there's too much data that it wouldn't have fit on a laptop. The problem with that is there's two terabyte hard drives on laptops now. Like that's a lot of data. What was a, uh, well, this is 2020, right? Here's the one thing too. I find very interesting about it. What's on the screen, the guy who, uh, ran the shop that, uh, what laptop was supposedly dropped off at, legally blind, could not confirm who the customer was because he's legally blind. Oh, how convenient. He probably never went to that place. It's probably a total fake story. And they, they made up a fake story. Maybe they even stole a laptop of his. Well, that's the thing that I was most fascinated by was he was two years sober when that happened. Now seven allegedly, although he is tested, I think supposedly by who? Uh, maybe. Oh, you look great, son. He told me that he, he told me that he packs his bags with a witness when he packs his carry ons and stuff. There's a witness there. Whoa. So he doesn't get fucking. Oh wow. In case he, someone snuck something into his bag. Who's going to believe him? It's like, who's going to believe. That's crazy. Yeah. Imagine living like that. Dude. The amount of scrutiny. That was what I was most fascinated by. I was thinking, what is it like to have the entire world bearing down on you? Not only the world, the country, the future of politics, your dad, your dad's legacy. Are you going to get a pardon? Who even fucking knows? Who cares? Probably not. Like, oh my God. And then there's the reality. Don't go back to drugs. Don't use your drugs again. This is how you would have fixed it. This is how you would have done it in the past. Two years sober. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, you're so sober. You're so gentle too. So dangerous. You're not even out of the woods. And when you think about that whole story, how that blew up right before the election, it could have really been an intelligence plot to try to sink Joe Biden. And they countered it. And the way they countered it was by blocking the story from Twitter, a factual story from the New York Post. Giuliani apparently held the information for months and released it less than three weeks before the election. Giuliani has long been involved in efforts by the president and his allies to highlight Hunter Biden's work overseas to damage Joe Biden and boost Mr. Trump's reelection campaign. And in 2019, met with a Ukrainian lawmaker who had been deemed an active Russian agent by the US government. Well, is it the October surprise? That's what they call it. Yeah. And I think there's been something that the losing side has pointed to as the justification for why it happened, Russiagate, Biden laptop suppression. And then in the most recent one, it was podcasts. That was, well, this is why. Had it not have been for the sway that occurred due to this run that was done on podcast, that's what moved the election. Each time. Well, the real problem with that narrative was I don't know anybody who wasn't willing to talk to Kamala Harris. I was willing to. Everyone reached out to her. I tried to talk to her a bunch of times, and they tried to pretend that I made it difficult. It's a fucking complete horseshit lie. They also lied and they said they came down here and checked out the studio and did a run of the place. They did not. They did not do that. They did not. Trump's people did. And I've said that. Like, if you want to say that they knew that someone did it, but I don't know how much they're communicating with each other. Trump's Secret Service people came down and they scanned the whole place. They went through the whole place before he came in. But she's alleging that her people did a run of the studio. They did not. No representatives from her organization were ever here. And that it would be insufficiently secure or something? Is that what? No. I mean, they said that we were making it difficult. I was making it as easy as possible. And the one day that she offered to do it, I was already booked with him. And I even said I would do it. No fucking way. Uh-huh. And I said I would do it, but it would have to be, she had a gig in Houston. She was doing a speech in Houston. I think that was one of the ones where Beyonce came out and everybody thought she was going to sing and she didn't. Like everyone got mad. Yeah, everyone got mad. So she was somewhere else in Texas. And I said, listen, when she's done with that, I'll do a podcast at midnight. Come on in. I'll go whenever you want to do it. I'll do it the next day. I'll do it that night. That would have been one of the wildest 24 hours of your life. I was down to do that. To have done that. And I was going to release them both at the exact same time. Unreal. That was the idea. But she wasn't willing to do it. Jamie, why didn't you make it happen? They even gave me a bunch of things. This is also that they didn't tell the truth about. There was a bunch of things that they said she didn't want to talk about. And I said, fine. She didn't want to talk about her record for prosecuting marijuana possession in California. And then for using those people that were supposed to get released past the date that they were released to fight wildfires. She didn't want to talk about that. Fine. And then there was one other one. I forget what the other one was about that they didn't want to talk about. And then they came back and said they did want to talk about marijuana legalization. Oh, immigration. They were not so keen on talking about immigration. Maybe it wasn't immigration. Jamie, do you remember? I don't remember what the other one was, but I was like, fine, I'll ask her about cooking. I don't give a fuck. Like, let's talk. Like, I just want to sit down across and find out who you are. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. I'll ask you if you believe in Jesus. We'll figure it out. Do you believe in UFOs? Like, what do you think? Well, you could release the files. Like, I'll find out who you are. Let's go. You know, maybe I like you. Maybe no one's had a chance to see you for this. I mean, you can laugh and joke around and be like a real person instead of like being a person with soundbites because you can relax because, you know, there's no time constraint. Who fucking knows? But we didn't get to find out. So to say that you're blaming podcasts on her not getting elected, how about the fact that you spent 1.4 billion fucking dollars and you put someone in without a primary and you blew all this money and you still lost? Like, you guys fucked it up. You fucked it up. I mean, all this momentum when she had that one speech, it's like, say it to my face. They were like, yeah, like they had it. If she never did another fucking speech and never did a podcast, never did anything and only did pre-prepared like monologues like that. Game over. Game over. Game over. Game over. She's younger. She's got more energy. She's like a new fresh thing. Let's go. How much do you think that run of podcasts for Trump did move the needle? Have you got any idea? It did a lot. I think it did. I think the one with Theo Vaughn, I think, moved the needle first. And then the one with me, I think you got to see him fuck around a little and relax and talk about things and you got to see a human being instead of like a cartoon. But you only got to see one side of the election do that. You didn't get to see. That could have happened with her too. Like, I'm not a hard interview, man. I don't want to get in arguments with people. I'd like to get in discussions with people. I'm not into being insulting. I'm not into being shitty. I'm not into doing that. I just wanted to talk. Like, if you want to run the president, you want to be the commander in chief of the greatest army the world's ever known, like, let's have a conversation. I don't think that's that hard to do. And if you can't do that, like, well, what are you hiding? Who are you? I think it was a lot of her people that didn't want her to do it. First of all, there's a lot of people that are like super woke and didn't want her to and in any way to be associated with me. And then there was a lot of people that were really worried that she was going to say something that fucked it up or that we were going to get into something that she can't defend, you know, because there was a lot of things that really did like make people go, what? Like when she said she wouldn't have done anything different than Joe Biden when she was on The View. I don't think I did anything different. Everybody's like, oh, great. This is nuts. We're trying to vote for you. Fucking lie to me. There was definitely that. And then there was there's some, you know, some crazy stuff she said to when she was vice president saying, like, how dare we say Merry Christmas? Like, you get those clips and you go, wait, what? Who are you? Who are you? Do you believe that? Do you really believe how dare we say Merry Christmas? Or is this like a crazy thing that you went through that day? Well, it's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. It's wild. I'm worried about being too bombastic when the person I'm going up against is Donald Trump. You know what I mean? Well, some people, they they fuck up a few things and then they're terrified they're going to fuck up. So every time they do an interview, like, fuck this up, what if it's up? And that's when the staff gets involved. They wanted one staff in the room. I'm like, fuck, no. No, you can't have staff in the room. Fuck out of here. Fuck out of here. They also want to know if it's edited. Like we edit things like this. No, you got to people have to find out who the fuck you really are. But that feels scary because there's no get out of jail free. Supposed to be scary. You want to be the president. You want to be the president. The scariest thing of all time. Yeah. Yeah. You got to deal with potential nuclear war, OK? I think you can sit down for a conversation. Yeah. It's not even me. Even if it's on me. Sit down with a bunch of other people. But sit down with people. They're going to ask you real questions, really talk to you. You know, like, I don't know what happened on the Caller Daddy podcast, but I think it was very short. And I don't think they got into anything deep. Like you got to ask, like, the immigration thing was nuts. You have to ask, like, what are you doing? Why do you guys have an open border? Why are you just letting all these unvetted people from third world, crime infested, poor countries, desperate people, desperate that want to want to walk to America? Do you know crazy that is? And we're just letting them all in without knowing how many of them are just trying to make a better life and how many of them are drug cartel and how many of them are terrorists and how many. The fuck are you doing? What are we doing? What's happened with the status of immigration now? I know that they put the brakes on it. They stopped like an enormous number of people crossing the border, like an enormous number. I think it's down. Like, what is it down? Like, how many, what is the percentage of illegal border crossings down since Trump has been in office? They could have done it the entire time, man. They wanted that border open. They wanted those people coming in. They wanted to flood the census. They wanted to flood those swing states. They wanted to get people that are here and give them citizenship. They wanted to get them on Medicaid. They want to get them on health care. They want to give them free cell phones. They wanted to make those people voters and they wanted to try to just make it like it's California, like the whole country's California, like you can never leave. You can never escape. It's one party runs it forever and they run it terribly and it gets more and more terrible and they need more and more money to make it more and more terrible. That's not a great case. Fuck me. Well, I just. Well, it's not the case now, but this is not great either. OK, January 2025, Border Patrol recorded twenty nine thousand in the first full month of the administration. February that fell to eight thousand, about a 71 percent month to month decline. So all told, what's the percentage of decline? What's the percentage of decline based on twenty twenty six versus twenty twenty three? Let's find that out. Twenty. Twenty. Oh, twenty twenty five versus twenty twenty three. Data OK, let's see what they say. What percentage is it down? Eighty eight percent. One point it's down. Eighty eight percent. No crazy that is. That's crazy. So they were letting millions of people in and we didn't know who they are. And you know, the idea is like if you want to be a kind, compassionate person and immigrants deserve what you have and OK, but we have to know they're not murderers, folks. OK, we can't just have you ever been to like the worst places of the third world? Probably not. If you did, you wouldn't want those people just like roaming around your neighborhood when you have to leave your garage and go to work. You wouldn't want that because they'll they just look, oh, the guys on here, I'll break into his house. How much of this is a luxury belief that the people that are espousing the things that they're supporting aren't the ones that are going to be impacted by it? It's the same as it's the same as I told you this last time I was on there was a house near where I live in Austin that had a defund the police sign in the front yard and a private security sticker on the front window. That's cute. People are cute. Well, there's a lot of that. It's a lot of white people. White people are a real problem. Well, that's this privilege of white people that started dropping in twenty twenty four because of a Biden asylum change or something. Yeah, sure. It did. Listen, they probably tried to put the brakes on it a little bit when they were losing the election. You know, when they were getting the polls in, they're going to need to run this a little bit. Yeah, for sure. Like this. Otherwise they would have done it in twenty twenty three. They're doing it because of a political reason. They probably would open it right back up if Kamala won like we, you know, no one's illegal on stolen land. Come on in. You know, it's meanwhile, Victoria's Secret is up three hundred percent year on year. The share price because of Ozempic. I found this out yesterday, 300 percent because of Ozempic. So what the proposed reason for this is that millions of women have lost so much weight that their bras have stopped fitting and because they're smaller, they're now going and getting more seductive under 300 percent increase year on year. Hot little stick figures. That's what's happening to the Ozempics, a fucking hell of a drug. Here's another thing I found out that women are getting bridal dresses fitted, but they're having to predict where their weight is going to come into land. So some women are losing up to 50 pounds, losing so much weight between ordering the dress and the wedding that these bridal, bridal stores are having to get them to sign waivers in case they don't make weight like a fighter. Like if you don't make weight for your bridal dress, you go, well, we can't give you another one. You've said that you're going to lose 50 pounds using GLPs over the next nine months or twelve months or 18 months or whatever. And because they're scared that they're going to end up getting these refunds, they're having to sign waivers. I think the future implications of Ozempic on economy consumption, like think about what most of consumerism is. It's not stuff that people need. It's like things that people want. It's like a craving, it's impulsivity, it's repeated purchase. And that's exactly what GLPs act on. They're not just suppressing appetite, they're suppressing craving in a lot of different ways. And it's like, what happens to a capitalist system when you suppress, pharmacologically suppress craving? I want this thing. Well, maybe you don't. Not in quite the same way, because it seems to work on weed. It seems to work on video games. It seems to work on a ton of different behavioral. People don't like wine as much. Okay. So it's not just calories. It's more than that. It's consumerism as well. I think what happens when you intervene pharmacologically in people's desire to crave is just, that is the other side. So AI on one side and fucking GLPs on the other. Well, they say that some people have different reactions to GLP ones, right? And some people have a lack of desire for relationships, which is really creepy. What is it about? Is it taking away pleasure? Is it taking away excitement? What is it taking away? What stimulation that you're getting by overeating? What is it dulling in the process that also stops drug addictions? It's helping people that have addictions. And it's also helping people that have impulsive behavior, apparently. I think that's true. But the weird one is the side effects of relationships. Maybe it's craving again. Maybe it's the same thing. I looked at the study that came out on X, and people were talking about it. There was some criticism around whether or not that particular pathway in the brain works the way that it would. But if you're suppressing craving overall, that wouldn't surprise me. If you're making people just want less. Right. I don't want that at all. Bill Maher was arguing with Scott Galloway on Real Time about that. Galloway was big on GLP ones. There's benefits. I think also the thing is dosage. This is an issue. And this is an issue that's been brought up by compound pharmacies, that there's certain people that don't need a big ass dose that you're going to get. Depending upon your body weight, depending upon your size, a 500 pound man probably needs a different dose than a 135 pound, five foot tall woman. Is that not being suggested? I don't think so. It's not being advised? I think people are starting to do it through their various healthcare providers and various doctors who have experience with these things that are giving people smaller doses and less. Then there's the retuited stuff. Am I saying that right? Retitutied. Retitutied. Retitude retitude tide that one is a weird one because that one allows you to keep muscle mass And that's the big fear that people have is that you're starving yourself, but you're also losing losing bone mass and muscle mass That's because people who don't have good fitness habits Reducing an already suboptimal diet. They're not eating well, and now they're eating less of not well They're still not training which means what happens because I think about 90% of people that go on GLPs and then come off them gain the weight back. So it's you you don't change your behavior You don't change your behavior, but you lose muscle on the way down right and gain fat on the way back up, right? so if you end up back at the same weight that you were previously your compositions was and That's really concerning because you're basically locked in to use them for the rest of time If if that's the case if you can't use something else to fix it I know that they were using different things like they were using IGF-1 along with GLP ones to mitigate the bone density and muscle tissue loss But the reality of having less calories coming in then coming out as your body's gonna eat itself I mean, that's what's happening, which is why you need to do resistance training. Yeah, you have To you have to lift heavy weights. I'm not heavy, but you have to lift something So you develop bone density and this is a giant problem with older people that have never lifted anything Is that their body composition is just they might look normal, but they're made out of dough, you know You could just punch right through them. And if they fall down they're gonna get hurt man It's not when people get older like one of the main ways that people die is falling What happens they hit their heads they they slip in the shower. They slip in the bathtub. They hit their heads They break a hip when you break a hip man the odds of you living more than 10 years Reduced drastically a lot of it is also because at the time that you're breaking a hip you're probably old already You're old already, but there's like real data that show that once people have fallen and broken a hip like that's a catastrophic Injury that you got to think of all the resources that your body has to use and employ in order to heal that and then There's the compromise and movement that you're gonna have for a long time. I'll be able to walk right gonna need assistance You're not gonna have the same vitality. You're gonna be recovering gonna be exhausted People with Alzheimer's disease are substantially higher risk of falling Wow Falls can be fatal Especially if they can cause a hip fracture head injury or complications from hospitalizations or immobility Research indicated that 60 to 80 percent of older adults with Alzheimer's experience a fall more than twice the rate in cognitively normal peers There was a late There's a new story that came out recently Jamie about a woman who survived for eight days in a bathtub After she fell Sure. Oh my god insane. So I had had a tumble and wasn't found I don't know what the fuck she was doing in order to be able to stay alive I guess if you're in a bathtub, you've got some water Yeah, but peeing in the tub and drinking the water and hoping for the baby two years old nine days actually. Oh my god Drink water she managed to splash up onto her face by turning the faucet on with her foot. Oh my god. Oh My god nine days in a fucking bathtub How'd she not die of hypothermia? I guess you could heat yourself up. She's gonna run the water I guess is she that good at turning the knobs of their feet? Scald herself to death. What the fuck man? That's a home real Mountain, North Carolina. Oh my god that poor lady Let's get her on the she survived get her on the podcast Jamie before Chris does a Poor lady, we probably have to go to her fuck probably have to go to the Apple that is insane Fuck man, there's people that get through some shit. I was looking at the studies of how long people have stayed awake for like that That gets really fucking gnarly because people go into psychosis. That's I did that Lindsay Clancy case thing That's going crazy at the moment. A lot of that is because of supposedly sleep deprivation On a lot of antipsychotics, etc, etc But you don't need to keep people awake for that long to turn them insane If you're awake for a couple of days, I think all fucking hell breaks loose Which is why those backyard ultras just seems so deranged. Do you think how are you even able to apply? Effort to what it is How are you able to make decisions about whether you need food or sleep or rest or to go harder or to give up? Hallucinations, they all see things that aren't there like Courtney Dole Walter. She won the What she win the Bigfoot, is that what she won when she came on She beat the second place dude by 10 hours or something crazy Imagine you come in second place and your second place by 10 hours Yes, cuz they'll be half a day. The race is three days long three days of hell well the the crazy thing about Endurance is that as you get longer and longer the difference between the sexes starts to even out and I think in water it evens Out even quicker because women are more buoyant over distances women are better swimmers make sense. I think like a rock Well, you don't have to build for swimming. I'm terrible at it. Yeah, no, you don't have to build I recently learned about just Come to my mind Rory McDonald's walkout music This story where he changed his number. Oh Yeah The US Yeah, were you there any of those events when he was walking I think he came out like MC Hammer And people asked him apparently he got rumbled because he wanted nickelback Sorry, we couldn't get you nickelback because I didn't ask for fucking nickelback They worked it out and it was just some guy that was a fan that was deciding to submit songs yeah on Rory McDonald's behalf the guy got Rory's old number and Rory never bothered telling the UFC and this guy knew who Rory was and he was just so jazzed up that he could pick Rory's walking music and the guy had a good sense of humor. So he'd pick some whack songs DMC MC Hammer a DMX Sorry MC Hammer. Well DMX is great. MC Hammer is great. I mean some people love those songs I think Nickelback's got legs as well, bro. Nickelback's has some good songs It's just they're formulaic and people don't like formulaic songs There's some something about them that people think is too much of a formulaic song But like how come you like the Cypress Hill rock star song, but you don't like the rock star song It's like the same song the Nickelback song and Cypress Hill are the same song Does it it's the same song? It's the same song it's the same song it's the same premise It's about being a rock star all the crazy shit that you're gonna do if you I want to be a rock star and I Want all this cool shit? Look, the Cypress Hill is a better song I'm a big Cypress Hill fan If you if I'm getting to choose it starts off with Chino talking like there's not many songs that Chino Moreno from the Deftones That's true speaking. That's true He's laying out what you need to do to be a rock star that there's a lot but like, okay We can't play this for everybody else, but just for you and me We're gonna we'll start off with Nickelback start off with Nickelback Nickelback rock star so fucking happy about this. There's a conspiracy theory that Nickelback got taken down to demoralize America after 9-11 That's hilarious. It's like a Canadian. Well, but it was American American like thrust forward into the world that kind of Freedom rock. Well, there were always a punchline allow me to get you down the rabbit The Limp Bizkit Woodstock when it's a fun one All right, so we'll listen to the Nickelback rock star song first, here we go go to Cypress Hill No, I love Cypress Hill bro b-roll is my boy I love that dude, they're the shit I fucking love these guys I Forgot how hot that song was is it's a way better song. It's a way better song You know, you're one of the dopest covers ever rage against the machine covered pistol grip pump. Have you ever heard that? Okay, why we're doing this since nobody can listen to this. Okay, just throw up this This is one of my favorite Cypress Hill covers. We're rage against machine covered Cypress Hill. It's fucking fantastic It's fucking fantastic It's better than the original that goes hard. I've never heard that that goes hard. That's so fucking That's one of the dopest covers ever. There is a what are we Jamie's gonna it's like they had an assignment It's like Cypress Hill and Nickelback had an assignment I want you to write a song about how dope it is to be a rock star You want to be a rock star you want all this cool shit, right? But Cypress Hill took it from the position of like all all you're gonna suffer all you're gonna lose you want this you know how hard it is and Nickelback's like hey, hey, I want to be a rock star Fluffy a little fluffy. Yeah. Yeah, but it's kind of like an assignment. It is interesting trying to warm people off of something that everybody thinks they want there's this a Study that was done on when people enter airplanes and they walk through business class Economy walks through a business class. There's an eight times increase in passenger rage incidents So it's a reminder of your place in the status hierarchy. Yeah, and I think it becomes very difficult when Trying to warm people off of like the rich person telling you that money won't fix your problems or the famous person telling you that status isn't going to change your self-worth or the beautiful person telling you that looks aren't going to actually make you feel more valuable in the world a lot of the time when When people hear that it sounds like a luxury belief it sounds like someone trying to pulling the ladder up after they've managed to achieve it and that's why I don't know the the rock star that Reminds you why it's so cool. And this is what you could get Rollingstone ranked rock star at number 100 in their list of the hundred best songs of 2007 BuzzFeed listed as number two as one of the 30 worst songs ever written. Hmm Is it really though I think they're unjustly criticized Nickelback. They're not that bad. They're coming back around now Yeah, they're coming back. I'll just bring them back for sure. Yeah, they're not that bad Do you know why people like had an issue with my back in the day? No, well, so I mean this was happening when I was in audio school. So that was like when YouTube started, you know Napster was very big and people were discovering them I mean, it's a little bit of opinion base but there was a video that came out that went very viral and that played one Nickelback song in the left speaker and one in The right speaker and they lined up very on the like every Chord change was kind of like at the same time the verses change at the same time the formulaic time stuff Yeah, it was very formulaic. So people just sort of like clowned them for being too formulaic Hmm, yeah, I get that engineers would even say that they didn't like that because they were recording what they call in the box Which would mean they were recording everything very dry and then changing all of the effects after the fact so like nothing that they were Playing was like live necessarily. And so some people had a problem with that. I get it. I guess said they're not the stones They're not the stone white people music. They're not Pink Floyd. You know, I get it. It's white people music. It's 98 IQ You Can't say that That's a good percentage of the population son, that's about like I can listen to some 98 IQ music I like me some of that. What do you think? I mean max I'm saying max Other people like it's okay, you know, you can have a high IQ and go that's alright, but you're like Wow, what is high IQ music Pink Floyd for sure to jazz I don't know, you know jazz is interesting because I know a couple of dumb people that love jazz And then a lot of brilliant people love jazz also tool tools very high IQ music If you're into like metal probably a little disturbed. You're a little disturbed a little mad at your parents I fucking love Tim Henson rules, dude Let's use that stream. I don't you have to be thinking a lot to even like it's not passive listening If he is not passive listening, um God, there's a lot of great bands, man. I don't know. What's high IQ music in that way like that's popular as well I'm being silly. Yeah, but but I was trying to think about what that would be if it's Beethoven you know, something more refined I don't know to me. That's the most fascinating music is music when there was no recordings This episode is brought to you by the farmers dog Here's a fun fact Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are Overweight, isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist and trust me. I know I buy one the farmers dog. I use it for both my dogs They love it. They eat it up quick. It smells good to them. It smells good to me It's human grade food. The farmers dog makes fresh food for dogs and my dogs Love it. 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I Am fascinated by the fact that these people wrote down music on Paper so that other people could replicate it and that's how they passed on these amazing songs that people still play in concerts today There's no ability to record or think about what stories would have been like before we had the written word There's a you know, there's a lot of really popular magician musicians rather not magicians Musicians who don't know how to read music. Mm-hmm They don't have to And just draw them out on my digital workspace on my laptop. Yeah They know how to play an instrument. They know what the sounds it makes Bullshit Fuck is that? Yeah classically trained. Yeah, I mean everybody loves the idea of being a Savant-renaissance guy sort of outside of the system coming in and I'm breaking the rules in that way I wonder how often that happens at the highest level like yeah, I slow it's Hendrix because Hendrix played a guitar upside-down left-handed Why because he was left-handed so he played a right-handed guitar upside down You ever see the way he played guitar, I don't know jack shit about playing guitar by the way This is explained to me. I think Weinstein was the first person to explain to me, but pull up Hendrix playing the guitar He would play it upside down because it was you know, not built for him. It didn't matter. He self-taught and to this day Widely regarded as the greatest guitarist of all time and the most influential guitarist guitarist by far the most Like he was he was a freak like when he came along and Eric Clapton famously said that he made him want to quit That's that guitars upside down dog Jesus yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah I mean, I don't know if all of his guitars were upside down or you know Some some of them were actual left-handed guitars. Hmm, but I think he played upside down Hendrix was left-handed but typically used readily available right-handed strata casters He reversed the instrument this put the headstock controls bridge angle and pickup orientation in unusual positions Relative to a conventional left-handed guitar in that wild. Yeah, Fender Lee that's Fender's Hendrix signature stratocaster recreates some of these visual and functional details Including a reverse headstock and reverse slant bridge pickup Imagine like they're such a Hendrix man still turned around No, I mean, I'm think they did it his way Wow I think they've replicated it his way cuz like if you're a fucking a guitar nut and you love Hendrix I want to wait. Why is this guitar bullshit? This guitar is backwards like Hendrix doesn't play it like this I'd want to learn on a Hendrix guitar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I uh, I know I've been thinking a lot about like how we Assume that wisdom compounds over time. So I guess not too dissimilar to that. We have this Epistemic privilege that we give to a future version of ourselves, right? So we assume that us now Knows more than us in the past or the us in the future will know more than us now and that sort of progress goes in that way, but for some things like matters of emotion or Important life lessons, especially things around pain. I don't think that that's true So for instance, you could imagine that you're in a relationship with somebody and it's really painful. It's really uncomfortable and After six months you bump into them again And you can't quite remember the sleepless nights and the way that things felt awkward and the pain in the same way as you used To and you start think well, maybe I should maybe I should get back with them maybe maybe that's maybe it wasn't so bad or the guy that works in a very aggressive job high-powered high-paced job and He's burned out and he can't sleep and a year later. He misses the status misses the acclaim. He misses the accolades He misses the camaraderie of working in that organization And he thinks well, maybe I could get back. Maybe I could start again at a competitor maybe I could do that again or someone that's been addicted to alcohol and After they've been sober for a couple of years. They think huh? Maybe I should uh, maybe I should run that back Maybe it wasn't that big of a deal. Maybe I can do it again. So there's this sort of Fading affect bias, which is this idea from psychology that says bad memories fade with time But good memories don't quite the same way and it's good because it protects us from being pinned underneath trauma that happened in the past You know, you're not still so worried about your first rejection from a girl in the same way as you might have been shortly after that so Bad memories plus time can equal comedy, but good memories plus time doesn't usually equal tragedy. It's kind of a way to think about it That's great. It's like a psychological immune system. Got it We distance ourselves from things we minimize them and it's a really fundamental part of the way that we deal with pain and difficulty in life One of the problems is it causes us to forget the receipts of why we did the hard work in the first place. So If you think about why you worked so hard to get yourself off of the alcohol That was because of the pain that you felt at the time But the pain that you felt at the time evaporates the further that you are away from it Which is the reason that you actually made all of that work and put yourself through that process to improve your life So you could imagine that Healing gets rid of the justification that made the healing necessary So it's just this strange inversion that we always assume us in the future is going to be better educated than us now Right, we know more like that's the way that it works. Yeah, of course. I have accumulated more experience. I know more I'm closer to the future version of me, which means that it's more recent But in some things especially matters of pain discomfort Emotionality Being in the future actually means being further away from the evidence I often think about this when you see people that kind of seem to loop themselves back into bad situations Someone that keeps on getting back into a bad relationship someone that keeps on getting back into a bad Relationship with substances or a job or they just keep on they seem to be stuck I don't think it's that they're not moving. I think it's that they're sort of looping back They're forgetting the justification for why they needed to stop doing this thing Yeah, this idea that healing destroys its receipts and this fading affect bias being kind of the mechanism that works on it I found it pretty fascinating when thinking about observing my friends lives that is fascinating But I think there's also an element of people finding comfort in familiar patterns and sometimes those familiar patterns are just failure They find comfort in failure. They find comfort in falling off the wagon It's too difficult the stress of not drinking is so strong. It's so much that can't handle it Just give me a fucking drink Jesus Christ. Mmm, you know, there's a lot of people that just the pressure of Success and not fucking up is so scary and so daunting and just maintaining that they fall into these Self-destructive patterns. Why do you think that's the case? I don't know you'd have to talk to a psychologist, but it seems to be a reoccurring pattern with people seeking comfort in in familiar patterns that are Failure patterns, they're like maybe it takes pressure off of them to succeed because for some people the idea of succeeding the idea of getting It's like it's so Overwhelming. It's it scares them. It it gives them anxiety. It fucks them up all the time and when they start doing well Hey 333 days sober and you start saying things like that and the next thing you just pops in your head I want a fucking Marlboro and I want a beer and I want to go to the bar and see my friends And you just want to go well that feels like comfort right? Yeah, there is a curse with competence it's it's interesting when you see people that are kind of down on their luck and It makes sense that maybe they might hit the bottle or they might rely on Bad suboptimal habits, but when someone's really competent and you keep on seeing them fall back. That's what's particularly interesting to you Well, look, you've got something else. You have an alternative here. Yeah, that's what's really interesting to me But I think that if you're the sort of person that's good at things and stuff typically goes well Success doesn't become a reason for celebration. It's the minimum level of acceptable performance Right. It's a curse of competence Success itself is what you have to aim for and anything less than success would be a failure and success itself is nothing more than Acceptable right that creates a really perverse incentive, which is I can only not lose I can't ever win. It's this sort of debt you wake up every single day behind Only if you dominate the day perfectly, do you get yourself back up to the minimum level of acceptable performance, which is perfection? I think the Perfectionism is kind of on the rise at the moment. There's a bunch of studies I've had a few guests on the show talking about it and that is how relatively What do you mean by it's on the rise? Versus The I mean the studies that have been done on it looking at perfectionism as a personality trait There's a few different types of perfectionism this personal perfectionism I must be perfect and there's other perfectionism as well that people around me must be perfect, too And that can be particular them. How are they measuring the effect of perfectionism? Like how are they measuring how people? Enacted in their lives. It's it's on the rise It's a psychological scale so they can have a survey survey questions things like If I do not do if I don't succeed that means I am a failure. I must ensure that everything is controlled. So there's a Criterialist, right? But who are they asking? You know, I mean it depending upon who you're asking You're gonna get a higher version a higher number You know if you're asking people in West Virginia and trailer parks versus someone who's working on Wall Street You know, I mean you're gonna get different It's like what's the sample size? Well, I'd be I'd like to think that they're doing it representatively, but you might be right there might not be but anyway, I just Certainly from what I can see this desire that people have to I'm in a capitalist society Meritocracy if I can make myself more important more successful that means that I'm going to get accolade Please please right and this goes back to the poverty parade thing, right? If you're walking through business class to get to economy, you're reminded you're reminded of your place within the hierarchy It's also some really interesting data around if you're in a high income inequality area Self objectification by selfies from women on Instagram goes up And this is a huge study by Candice Blake over in Australia and they did a correlation It might have been on Twitter rather than on Instagram and they looked at geolocating images Ranked them based on self objectification and then looked at the wealth inequality in that local area Higher wealth inequality more self objectification, which side is doing the self objectification women women But women that are poor or women that are wealthier all women all women all women in that area Because and the proposed mechanism is you can see not just how high you could climb look at the inequality on the top end But how low you could potentially fall? Oh on the bottom motivated gets you motivated. Yeah, and I that is the same thing It's I think it's a similar sort of mechanism if you see high inequality perfectionism is another escape hatch That's another ejector seat that you can pull if you're not going to use your Assets to get you access. Maybe you could just do it yourself You could bootstrap it yourself to lift yourself off the launch pad And yeah, the perfectionism things kind of fascinating to me because I think it's it means that people never really get to escape From the standards that they set and if you're good at stuff It becomes even harder because the minimum level of acceptable performance is just perfection, right? hmm Not sure how I feel about that. First of all, I think a lot of that. It's got to be motivated by social media That's a big part of it because now you're getting to see what everybody has what everybody's doing See what they look like see their house their car see this See all these things these objects of desire so that I think Accelerates people's desires and wants and then you also get unrealistic beauty expectations from the Internet Particularly social media apps that use filters, right? You're getting a very distorted perception of what people look like and so that probably accelerates the amount of plastic surgery Women get and amount of things that people are willing to do probably the amount of steroids that young men do You know all that stuff but You know the idea of Perfectionism like what are we talking about? If you're talking about the pursuit of an in excellence of a sport or of Some sort of a discipline some sort of a thing you do people have always done that There's always been like outliers who are trying to be the very best ever at something You know That's always gonna be the case and we celebrate that because when you know There's a guy like Larry Bird that she keeps hitting those three pointers I was like fuck remember when I was a kid people would throw garbage into the little garbage Baskets at school and they would go Larry Bird You know like they wanted to be like Larry. They wanted to be like Michael Jordan They wanted to be like Mike Tyson people celebrate the outliers. They celebrate these excellent people that stand above and beyond There's an article about it. I don't know how they figured it out yet Interesting. There's a it's been growing since 1989. This is hilarious Perfectionism is a public health risk It's associated with increased depression and anxiety Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be depressed and anxious if you're trying to achieve Perfection, but I don't know if that's bad Like it's really about whether or not you can manage your fucking mind. That's interesting there So there's a perfection is increased in different rates Perfectionistic concerns fear of failure indecisiveness and fear of being negatively judged by others increased much faster than perfectionistic Strivings the motivation to set extremely high standards and work hard to achieve them So that's I guess maybe the difference between what you're thinking about which is kind of positive Perfectionism wanting to set a goal and chase after it as opposed to fear of failure indecisiveness and fear of being judged negatively by Others. Yeah, that's the big one, right? The fear of being judged by others is a real fear because of social media go back stop stop But when they they say it increased much faster than perfectionist strivings So the problem with the perfectionist strivings is then you have to have delayed gratification You have to have the ability to say I don't want to do this today, but I want this in the future So I'm gonna do this today so that in the future I can succeed that's abstract that's hard for a lot of people to grasp if they've never gone through a process before if they've never trusted a process of Improvement. This is one of the reasons why sports are so important for young people or any kind of pursuit like learning how to play Learning learning anything that's difficult to learn because you realize there's a process you realize you start off sucky and then you get better over Time, but if you are never doing anything like that If you're just existing and you've never been challenged to try to improve it something that's very difficult You don't understand the striving the perfectionist striving and even that term. I don't like that term Excellence is a better term. You're striving for excellence perfection is not possible in Anything there's no there's nothing perfect that No matter what you do. There's always going to be a failure. There's it's a human error There's always going to be you you might get to like He's a perfect example in games of pool like in professional pool matches The rarest of rare matches is a match where a guy runs out the entire set That means like say if you and I are playing a race to ten okay, this means the first guy to make ten games in a row if you're really good you might break and Have an open run on the first rack and break and have an open run on the second rack and break it up You might run ten racks in a row. It's been done Earl Strickland did it for a million dollars He won a million dollars at a tournament and they wind up fucking them But Earl Strickland's like one of the greatest pool players of all time, but they they had a million dollar Insurance policy is if someone could run ten racks to make the tournament more exciting ten racks in a row Where Earl Strickland is a mad genius and like he's one of the greatest players of all time and he knew there was a million dollars in the lines this motherfucker came focused and he broke and ran a ten pack and They didn't want to pay him like this is bullshit. And but it was on film whole things crazy, but That's a thousand Nobody does that and if you do it, you're gonna fall apart in the next game You'll have a never another match like the next day. You're never gonna be perfect. You're always gonna miss it's just humans There's gonna be error, you know Michael Jordan as good as he was didn't make every basketball, you know, Mike Tyson lost fights. You're a human. There's no perfection, but there is Excellence and that's what people are pursuing. Really? I don't like that term. Yeah action ism I think what's maybe useful about the term is that it Because that is the term it belies the futility of pursuing it It's like in writing in containing it it kind of mocks the the pursuit of it itself Exactly because it look it is ridiculous when you're talking about appearance It's ridiculous when you talk about frivolous things that are meaningless But when you're talking about Magnus Walker playing chess or Magnus Carlsen playing chess, that's that means something Like that's a crazy thing that that guy's able to do that pursuit of extreme. Excellence is celebrated when Messi plays soccer You know when when when someone is an outlier like we love that so this idea that you shouldn't love the most excellent of excellent people that are the most celebrated in society and there's a problem with people chasing excellence like Okay, if you're saying there's a problem people chasing perfect appearances because then you get dysmorphia and you start looking at yourself All weird then you get anorexia or you get your lips done. You don't know. They're too big that yeah That's fucked up that pursuit of perfection is insane the the perfection of look but we're not We're not capable of achieving perfection. We are capable of achieving excellence So if you call it perfection, it sounds like it's a problem. If you call it excellence, it sounds like a pursuit. Yeah Federer really interesting stat that I found out about him. He won Maybe about 80 85 percent of the matches that he played across his entire career crazy But he only won about 56 percent of the points That's the edge and you have to be a madman to work hard enough to beat everybody 85% of the time if you're a madman how many fucking people are playing tennis how many freak athletes are out there fucking whacking balls All day doing sprints lifting weights nearly 50% of the points that he played crazy. I fucking love that stat yeah, there's this this great line that the curse of discipline is that every day looks the same and the curse of Indiscipline is that every year looks the same? I like that and I've been thinking about the relationship between Discipline motivation and obsession. So I think obsessions kind of very misunderstood Feared by a lot of people even the people that have got it. Sometimes It's also dismissed by people that wish they had it and they don't have it and they mock it how's that because they they look at someone who's like obsessed with doing something and like Fucking lost his whole life playing that stupid game or he's given up his whole life for his music Like what's the point? Like there's a lot of people that want to dismiss the outliers Maybe they don't like the way they stack up against them If someone's like the best at something you watch some guy that can just do this thing that no one else can do the way He does it like there's a bunch of people that celebrate it for sure But there's always gonna be a bunch of people that think there's something wrong with it being threatened by obsessions kind of interesting so everybody wants to I think it's to do with your relationship with friction, so Discipline is friction accepted. It's like I will force myself to do the thing regardless of how hard it is motivation would be Friction removed which is like I want to do the thing And then obsession is friction inverted like I can't not do the thing I'm pulled toward it It's harder for me to not train It's for me to train. It's harder for me to not play guitar than it is for me to play guitar, right? so it's all about that relationship and this is why I think people get so confused because from the outside Obsession can look a lot like someone just using a shit ton of discipline just gritting their teeth and getting through it What you don't realize from the inside they have no choice, right? They have no choice but to do it all that they want they go to sleep thinking about it They wake up thinking about it. Yeah, they have no There is no way that they can stop themselves from doing this thing and this is why it's dangerous obsession gets a bad rap because if it's pointed toward Politics or porn or your ex or video games or video games or weed or you know, whatever thing? That becomes very dangerous, right? And this is why Some people and I'm gonna guess that this is you it's certainly me some people have problem-solving brains. They're always kind of Rotating a little Rubik's Cube in their mind thinking. How can I this is an interesting challenge for me to face? And how can I change the thing? How would I fix this thing just playing with ideas or trying to get better at something? They're always working on something Someone that's got a problem-solving brain, but doesn't have any good problems to solve will just chew themselves up They will eat themselves inside out because that is when you get obsessed with stuff that you shouldn't do that is when you get obsessed with porn or politics or your toxic ex or that person that you think that's Cut you off in traffic and that's when you chase after that is the kind of Problem-solving brain without a good problem to solve. Hmm, and I think a lot of people feel a degree of shame or at the very least like They're marionetted By this problem-solving brain by the speed of what they're going through the fact that they're always turning something They can't really get it to switch off and I think a much easier solution than trying to stop yourself from solving problems Is to just give yourself better problems to solve it's to start a business It's to get a pursuit that you really care about right, but this sounds very simplistic though We're talking about a like a legitimate mental health issue with a lot of people that don't have the awareness to stop a pattern You know like there's a lot of people that need a friend and they don't have any friends and so they need a counselor They need someone they need someone who can talk to them about what they're doing and give them some tools As to how to navigate out of it because there's a lot of people that are just stuck in that rut I agree and they could be really good like there's people that are wasting their life Gambling that could be really good at something else They could be really good if you applied that effort that dedication that obsession to something. Yeah, I completely agree I think the funny thing for anyone that's on the right side of their obsession. They're applying it to something that's positive Kind of a nice situation to realize. Hey, you weren't that far away from being that guy on the street, right? Right, if you if you're honest with yourself honest Your level of obsession could have directed you toward that that destruction that distraction That yeah, that's like self immolation You you're not that far away from it. It's the same fuel. It's the same fuel source. Yeah It's just about directing it in a good way and figure out a way that's going to be most Beneficial to you and the people around you and some people just aren't good at that Problem-solving. Yeah, and I think you're right to point to what you do in childhood sport is just hey if you work hard Incrementally at these component skills. There is an outcome in terms of performance that will happen in future Yeah, these small amounts these little efforts will contribute to what you do when you get there There's delayed gratification step by step by step you work up and it's just it kind of lays the physics of the system Yes, right. Okay, and then you get into adulthood and you go. Well, I understand like delaying gratification is important I can win the marshmallow test today, which means I can get something that I want in future. I need to Think over a longer time horizon Typically I can use my upside like another thing that's kind of fascinating about that obsession pieces when you look at someone like Jocko, there's a good example What looks like obsession now? Oh, sorry What looks like discipline is probably just who he is the 430 a.m Thing the kettlebell swings the training at one point. He was obsessed by that. That was probably what he thought about most I know it was when he was still in the seals like that was what he wanted He's want you to get as big and as jacked as the lethal as possible I don't think that's quite his priority in the same way now But what you see if you allow yourself to have positive obsessions and for them to cool over time You basically start to build up these layers of a pyramid which is well I'm not obsessed by training But I used to when I was in my 20s and now my training obsession is just who I am It's cooled like like lavas sort of cooled into the core of this planet and it's now who I've become So my training is just part of my life and then okay. What was the net? Well, I started to learn I wanted to Tell the truth. I want it to be an Upstanding person so I started to maybe go to therapy or I I worked on my mental health a little bit more Okay, that's now cool That was an obsession for a while and now I've moved on to the next thing and I really wanted to build this skill I want you to become a good father So I worked out how I could deal with my emotions when interacting with my kids and now I've got that skill over time Serial obsessives, I think whether it's in business or in training or in personal development. What you end up with is this unbelievably? Like well-rounded person but if you don't allow yourself to wear that obsession for a while and a lot of the time when people get obsessed with stuff they feel Guilty, they feel a little ashamed of it. They want to push back against it But it's the freest discipline and motivation you're ever gonna get you're never going to find feels guilty about being obsessed about things I think sometimes people do but good things The mockery of your friends around you. Oh, do I go and go and play guitar again? Are we are gonna go and you little music thing? Is that going? Well anybody who falls victim to that that you deserve it? Because that's so silly. You need to stand up for what it is that you want I don't all the times in my life when I've been obsessed by things if anybody like tried to mock me being obsessed by it I'd be like fuck you cares what you think? Okay, couldn't have cared less. That's interesting. I don't know whether it's a British The mockery the tall poppy thing. Yes is a huge part of British culture if you diverge from the normal path Yes, it is, you know that we have the same number of universities in the top ten globally But we produce 20% of the entrepreneurs compared with America and I think that a lot of that is attitude It's it's not fucking Cambridge Kings London Oxford like these aren't rinky-dink organizations. They attract unbelievable talent Why is it that we're not producing the same kind of? Orthogonal thinker self-starter Sovereign high agency people that you might get out of America. I think a lot of it is It's just not as encouraged it's not and it's a shame and I wish that I could like Gift some of the enthusiasm back to the UK like Americans basically have permanent first-line cocaine energy About everything yeah, and Some Americans that's true. But I just I wish that I could get that back I wish I could push that back toward the UK. It's something that would make a massive difference Sure, I'm sure it would but it's very difficult to change the way a whole country thinks It's like the attitude of the country. This is the attitude. This country is you could make it here like you could everybody feels like they're just a Few good deals away from being rich. Mm-hmm. Just a they're a millionaire that just hasn't made it yet Like that's I think it's one of the reasons that the victimhood culture here has kicked off more though that in the UK You don't expect to be able to become much it's very class system still over there when you're a kid You're not told that you can be anything that you want to be if you diverge from the path One of the first things that happens is what are you doing that for? It's a stupid idea Good in some ways because it keeps your feet on the ground But bad in other ways because it means that you don't go for it You don't take the big swings in the same way in the US I get the sense that Kids that are told you can be anything you want to be the American Dream is still very much alive if you work hard You can raise yourself up pick yourself up by your bootstraps and become something. Okay? What happens if you arrive in adulthood and you're not given that which you felt you were promised as a kid? Well that feels like someone's taken it away from you. That feels like someone's stolen your rightful Your promise this is the same reason interestingly enough the same reason why Korea The women in Korea are some of the most left-leaning in the world Supposedly that they were given equal access to education over the last few decades and that meant that as a quite patriarchal society, they were Constrained not not able to access education in the same way. They finally get into it. They're emancipated they're getting degrees and higher education at the same rate as the men and then they get into the real world and all of the employment opportunities haven't caught up and it's still very sexist when it comes to the way that Employment and promotions and wages There's still a big wage gap there and what that means is in the same way as the American child that was promised all of This stuff as a kid doesn't get delivered it when they become an adult a lot of the women in Korea it seems were promised a lot through their education and then they arrive and the rug feels like it's being pulled out from underneath them by a work workforce that is still Kind of in the darker in their equivalent of the Dark Ages But this is people throw their toys out of the pram, why would they not I think I I think that I deserve this and Yeah, the victimhood culture in America is I know I wish I could take some The bits of America and put them in the UK and some of the bits of the UK and put them in America And I think we'd end up that was what used to be. Fuck it. We'll just bring it back together again Mmm. Yeah, I think you're always going to have people that are dissatisfied with their station in life the question is like were they equipped with the tools to create a better life when they were younger and Whether they were equipped by their family or they equipped by whatever thing they got into a sport they got into when they were young or Some sort of a discipline where they realize this that it's really important that kids realize at an early age about a process of improvement Trusting the process. That's a common phrase You hear when it comes to anything that you're trying to do this difficult in this country and trust the process Trust the process you hear about that with coaches like in MMA fighters. They're always saying that we got to trust the process There's a process of build up up to a big fight. There's a process of improvement to get your black belt There's a process of improvement as you rise through the amateur ranks into a professional rights You got to do things the right way and keep doing them and you're gonna get better Some people never learn that and then they get to a point where they think Things should have already happened and why haven't things happened for me and then they get angry, you know And it's a lot of it is it's very difficult to find a good environment Very difficult to find like-minded people that that are empowering and when you're around them you feel better you feel motivated you feel Inspired that's also hugely critical for people. It's a like people want to think I'm a lone wolf fuck off No, there's no no one like that. That's all bullshit. Those people are very depressed Why do you think the trust thing comes from because I trust? Yeah. Yeah the trust of the process. Oh a lot of people want It's people that have done it before You you have to learn from people that have already done it Like if you're learning from a wrestling coach, you're learning from a coach that wrestled There's no wrestling coaches that didn't wrestle They all wrestle and that you learn from them that there's a process and this is what you're gonna do and this is how we're gonna get better and Trust me when week three comes along and you can run this hill a lot easier than you run it today You're gonna be thankful for these 5 a.m Practices like yes, sir you gotta trust the process and if you have a good coach the good coach will show you at every step of the way as You're improving you'll hit a move and I'll say you see how smooth you hit that you couldn't hit that move last so true It's so true the the inability to be able to see your own progress to be able to see what you're doing I think for a lot of people goals are contracts to self criticize until we succeed and that's how people whip themselves into submission And that's the problem with the perfectionism side of things as opposed to excellence, right? If you were to say I am NOT Enough unless I am perfect as opposed to I am good if I keep improving That seems to be one of the differences between the two. But yeah, like goals being Contracts to self-criticize until we succeed. That's not what a coach would do I'm sure that wasn't when you were teaching fucking taekwondo and someone for the first time manages to land this cake or they win a Really really close you can pick out the elements but so many people have got coaches in their minds that are That only ever focusing on the negatives if you have a good coach and You're in a sport with a bunch of other people that are doing well It's like statistically proven that your level will be higher than someone who has a bad coach That's around other people that aren't as good That's just how it always is the best athletes always come from the great programs, you know, whether it's Oklahoma State University Wrestling or whatever the fuck it is There's always like a bunch of different killers that come from a great environment with great coaching People don't have that in life All right If you had great coaching in life and you were surrounded by a bunch of other fucking Division one all-americans Who are like getting after it every day? You would be motivated but most people aren't and this is part of the problem. Most people are surrounded by equally lost people who are sad And it's hard to rise above it's hard to say I don't want to go to the bar because I'm working on writing this book and I need to write this book oh, you're gonna fucking write the book and you're gonna ignore your boys like Click you gotta you gotta know when to find people that are productive and healthy and are doing things Similar to what you're doing things where you're like pursuing something that you really enjoy and not just waste your fucking life away drinking every day Like a lot of people will do that perspectives hard to come by though It is because you need to break out of the frame that you're in already This is the the lonely chapter thing that I'm kind of obsessed with you're so developed That you don't resonate with your old set of friends Mm-hmm, but you're not yet sufficiently developed that you've built up your new set of friends and there's this temptation to go back To go back to the old patterns the old habits the old modes of reassurance Just like we were talking about with drug addicts falling off the wagon because it's like it's easier. It's easier to fail It is simpler and I guess What's interesting? Thinking about choosing a new direction and and having a degree of Self-assurance like living your life by design as opposed to default is one of the most important things but I wonder whether People that are in a an environment where they don't have any good role models. Like I didn't grow up in Particularly like salubrious part of the UK. It's the most working-class town in the back end of the northeast of England and There weren't that many people around me when I grew up that were like the person I wanted to be like But there were fucking lots of people like the person I didn't want to be like I didn't want his relationship With gambling I didn't want the way that he kept on cheating on his wife I didn't like the fact that he used alcohol to deal with his emotional problems. So yeah, would it be nice if you had the d1? Sports coach is your next-door neighbor every morning telling you that you can we should go for a run because a little Timmy's going for A run as well. Yeah, that'd be awesome But if you don't have it and you've got some people around you that are reverse role models You can quite easily you can make a lot of progress in life by avoiding pitfalls Not just expediting success Definitely by weaving away from the things that you know that you don't want the problem is a lot of those people will try to drag you down and If you're in close proximity to them and you have to interact with them on a regular basis It could trip you up But yeah a lot of people get motivated by like if you're around people that are alcoholics and you see them ruin their life like I have A friend his family was alcoholics and he's never had a drink his whole life. It's like I won't touch that shit ever He saw it saw it wreck people's lives never had a desire to have alcohol So that was and you know, he became very successful So he figured out a way to just avoid all the problems that all those people have they motivated him But it's better to be motivated by someone who's doing something you aspire to as opposed to trying to avoid something that's going wrong I think the option that people have now that was never available before is you could hear people that you are That you admire or that you aspire to be like what they are you could hear him on the internet now There's way more access to inspiration than ever before you know when you have some high achiever who goes on a podcast and has a conversation about something that they do and you can realize how this guy built his company or built his life or became this amazing athlete and What they went through? You you can learn from Conversations that you're not in the room with you know, you don't get a chance to hang out with you know David Goggins or whatever But you get a chance to listen to him talk now where it just wasn't available before For all the different outliers like like we're talking about Larry Bird before who the fuck is Larry Bird listening to he had to be Listening to the other basketball players that were playing with him that were all a bunch of killers Like that was the only way he got good. Like he didn't have the internet He couldn't just go on YouTube and five inspirational quotes, you know He couldn't listen to an Alan Watts lecture and have a new perspective on life. It was harder. It's a lot harder It's a lot easier now. It's a lot easier now to be inspired It's a lot easier now to also have examples of people that are living a life that is Aligned with what you're looking for versus what you see around you all the time. You don't just accept it anymore people There's a lot more people now. They're like I've got to get the fuck away from these people well, because the alternative is that you're Fortunately like serendipitously just born into a culture where there's some people like the person you want to be like right next to you right, like how many people that are Excellent individuals that are gonna go on to try to have the capacity to go on to do something Incredible are around other people that are like that too, right not met because my design you're an outlier So if you're an outlier, there's gonna be fewer people like you being able to hear people say I remember I was listening to a pod a while ago and uh There's this line on it. I think it was Mel Robbins. It said something like, um All my life. I'd always felt like someone was mad at me. I was like, huh? I've never heard anybody put it put it that way before all my life. I never did Mel Robbins say this. Yeah I've never listened to her podcast, but Tim Dillon was making fun of her today. It was the funniest shit I've ever heard in my life. That's him. He goes she makes Gary Vee sound like Aristotle Tim Dillon is the best He's the best. Have you seen Gary Vee's talking about Vee friends recently? Did you see this channel have a little this? Okay, don't make me do this. Okay. All right. Well, you made me watch a light kick. He's a nice guy Yeah, Gary's a nice guy. I've had him on the podcast. Well, maybe we don't need to learn about that. Anyway, just My point is regardless of who it comes from you can find inspiration in a variety of places You certainly can but there's more now than ever before and there's never a time in human history where you could be more inspired You just have to seek it, but you also have to avoid the tricks There's all a bunch of things that are gonna trick you and steal your attention you got to avoid the nonsense avoid the nonsense on social media and just find things that your time is very Valuable and the same feeling that you get out of watching it like the same Dopamine rush that you get from watching a tick-tock video. That means nothing You also get from watching a YouTube video where you're gonna learn something. It's like it's just as interesting Yeah, talking about more so talking about the thing and doing the thing vi for the same resources So you need to allocate yours appropriately? Like how many people are just great at talking about how their plans are gonna go. This is what's gonna happen next I can't wait. I can't wait for this new business. It's gonna go and it never happens Were you around when the secret was a big movie and a bunch of people really believed that they could just sort of manifest Their life. Yes by thinking about it. Yes. That was a fascinating time you know that lady said that the reason the Boxing Day tsunami happened in Thailand was because the Citizens were giving off bad juju. Hmm. This is she basically said that they'd manifested It was like thousands tens of thousands of people displaced because of a tsunami that happened on Boxing Day. Imagine. Yeah I believe in that dude the the crazy thing is the secret the visualization stuff Which I'm sure tons and tons of the athletes that you've worked with I think you commentate on so many of them are using visualization But people forget that you need to actually go and do the work as well. You think like, um God will steer the boat But you still have to row as opposed to you can just sit in the boat and think about it and you'll get rode there Yourself and that's the issue. The issue is that people want a shortcut and if you can give them a shortcut Yeah, I think the Visualization and the belief is an element It's an element if you can never see yourself succeeding, you'll probably fuck it up somehow But if you can see yourself succeeding and you have a direct plan and you also put in the work your odds of success are higher That's all it is. But the people that have said that they use the secret to succeed There are only the people that used it and it worked how many people used in it didn't work Probably a fuckload more survivorship bias is a hell of a drug. Yeah Yeah, it's it's one thing to get what you want But it's another thing to want what's worth getting in life Why does a lot of people believe that it was like God's will for them to succeed? I knew God had a plan for me. Okay. Does God have a plan for that? Dude is doing heroin in the corner What about the guy that's pissing on himself on skid row? Is that God have a plan for that guy? That's God doesn't like him. I didn't like him when he was a baby. I don't like him now Fuck that guy give him fentanyl. How do you? How do you come to sort of think about the? Unfairness of the the hands that are being dealt X when I think about that It does make me really sad makes me sad to think about how unfortunate some people's like decks of cards. Oh, yeah, man Oh, yeah I mean you can get born to a pair of junkies two junkies can have sex on Skid row and you're born Addicted to fentanyl right out of the box and your life is fucked versus if you have a child You're a great guy. You're educated. You're interesting. You're intelligent. Your kids gonna grow up with a cool dad It's like it's like it's not fair. It's not even remotely fair, you know, and we don't do enough to to fucking mitigate the unfairness and I don't mean in terms of like Redistribution of wealth or anything that like making sure there's not that level of despair and poverty in a functional society You know and the fact that there's almost no effort No real concerted effort to clean up any of these problems that we have had for decades upon decades upon decades in our cities It's kind of crazy the amount of money we spend on other things. We could have fixed that a long time ago You know, there's a lot of conspiracies about that too that they don't want that because if more people become educated and more people become ambitious It's gonna be harder to fuck them over It's gonna be harder to force them to pay taxes for an inefficient government that's stealing and people have too many crowd and waste Yes, too many competent people. You won't be able to keep your job being an incompetent legislator You know, there's a lot of theories about why schools suck so hard There's so little money being put into school. So when you think about the amount of power that a teacher has over a child Expose you you're working all day. Okay, you're at work Your kid is with another adult and then a different adult and then the next hour and a different the next hour and they're shaping Their worldview for a solid seven eight hours a day more than five days a week more than you you're working all day So you come home like what are they teaching in school? What? Daddy, they taught me I could be anything. I want I could be a girl. Oh God, daddy. They taught me how important communism is. What? Ah Fuck and what are you gonna do? You're gonna go to the school and you're gonna yell at the meeting and what do they do when that happens? They turn the parents into terrorists to say the parents are terrorists Why they've called parents terrorists for showing up at school board meetings and Yelling that they don't want their kids being taught about sexuality or they don't want The kids being taught about this Yeah, so they've there's school boards that have tried to censor parents and have tried to like label them domestic terrorists for trying to Interrupt meetings and say that they don't want their children being taught these ways And so then what are your options your home school? You got it with all the time fuck a huge amount of cost yeah, I Dude, it is it's weird weird out there, man The state of the u.s. Education system at the moment seems fucking wild. There was these studies that came out of illinois Basically, no one in high school could read like a fourth grade level. It's fucking insane I saw a video of a teacher crying that none of the students were even remotely competent Yeah, what is a state that just because students were doing so bad. They completely dropped their standards. Was it oregon? I forget what governor but like Ridiculously dropped their standards for reading and math Yeah, it's not good. I mean that would that should be something we're really concentrating on it should be a really important thing In our world that's discussed every day Versus whether or not men can play in the wnba meanwhile, uh penn state had a cocaine ring at one of the fraternities Do you see that a ring cocaine ring? So there was what do you mean a ring like two different fraternities were selling cocaine? Oh, not just selling cocaine They were driving to philadelphia and back in new york and back to like create a huge cartel This massive massive scandal the dad of one of the guys that was in The that was the leader of it is some attorney dude That was like covering it up putting money and drugs in the safe and the pledges That were pledging to go into the fraternities were made to cut and bag the cocaine. That's Hilarious free labor. What school was this penn state? My god 14 people arrested including one of them. That was the dad This kid's got like a gazillion charges for it. It's meanwhile. They're just entrepreneurs look They need to encourage an entrepreneurial spirit. It's the entrepreneurs in a bad direction It's like what we were talking about before obsession in the wrong direction. Why penn state's great for wrestling, right? Why didn't you go and do wrestling or imagine if they put all that effort into a legitimate business? Yeah, they'd probably getting out of college already wealthy speaking of that. Did you see uh, ben askren returned to Wrestling one year after his yes Crazy, I had him on the party like I can't believe he did it It's so nuts with two lung replacements. He's got Artificial, I mean he's got lung Donations like somebody gave him lungs someone died And yeah, he's he has to be on immunosuppressants or so his body doesn't reject the lungs But having lung transplants is crazy having two Is really crazy and then wrestling a year later is just beyond insane He never looked at what the surgery was that he got he doesn't know how they did it So I went and had a look and it's the full yeah breasts. It's like you're spread eagled from reverse fish Dude I gotta pee we gotta wrap this up. All right Christopher it's always a good time to see you. Appreciate you man. Appreciate you too Uh, tell everybody your podcast where they can get it where they can watch it modern wisdom apple podcast spotify youtube Just dropped an episode with jocko willink matt mccusker and jeff. Dye So you can go and check that out. Nice or you can go back and watch the hunter biden. That's a good combo Yeah, i'm doing this. It's a mostly wise which is the new series It's me and mccusker with a serious seat hunter biden was a serious seat for one We had human for another we've got a neil degrasse tyson coming up in for your brian johnson And i'm like throwing another comedian in as well. So it's kind of fun. Beautiful. Beautiful. Appreciate you man All right, bye everybody You