Pilates For Sculpting Your Body | Mind Pump 2813

Key Takeaway

Pilates is marketed to women as a way to achieve a 'long, lean, sculpted' look, but strength training is far more effective for body composition goals. While Pilates offers benefits like end-range stability and movement variability, it's a poor tool for building muscle and changing your physique. If you love Pilates, do it once a week to complement 2-3 days of strength training—this combination delivers both the aesthetic results you want and the movement you enjoy.

Episode Overview

This episode tackles the misconceptions around Pilates as a body-sculpting tool. The hosts explain that while Pilates has legitimate benefits (end-range stability, movement practice, low injury risk), it's marketed misleadingly to women seeking aesthetic changes. They argue that strength training is vastly superior for building muscle, changing body composition, and achieving the 'toned' look people desire. The discussion also covers how fitness modalities are sold using genetically gifted representatives, creating unrealistic expectations. The hosts recommend Pilates as a complement to strength training (1x/week) rather than a primary method for physique goals.

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If you're doing Pilates because you want a tight sculpted body, stop. You're doing it wrong. It's the wrong kind of workout. workout. workout. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why everybody's there. Should I start a war today? Again, I'm just trying to be more confrontational like you recommended us. That's all right. Isn't this what you said yesterday? Let's talk about Pilates, though, cuz uh it is um it's a popular form of exercise. exercise. exercise. It's really popular and and it's growing in popularity. Yeah, it's growing in popularity and part of the reason why it's popular is because uh the people who represent it in media look a particular way.

So most people who do Pilates do it because they want to accomplish a certain look, not because they want to get good at Pilates or even uh because they're in dance, let's say, for example, which is kind of the roots of it. Mhm. it. Mhm. it. Mhm. It's because they're led to believe that it produces kind of this body that looks long and lean that gives you this kind of sculpt, not bulky look. This is uh again quote that you'll hear uh for people who follow it.

Is this like taking over the popularity of yoga to Adam was talking about this earlier? Blame me. Yeah. Like this is this is the new yoga dude. Really? I guess so. Yeah. So here's the thing. So this is this is how I would I would say this is that um Pilates is awesome. Uh like a fork, a spoon or a knife would be. It's just the wrong job for somebody who has a goal of I want to build a body that looks this way, right? right?

right? So I think tool Yeah. I think Pilates is awesome. It has lots of benefits to it. Um, but what happens is to the angle you were going, which is it's been, you know, there's the people that have marketed have a look. This is very similar to what happened with CrossFit. You know, we saw these athletes with just crazy physiques and bodies with their shirts off competing and it was like, I want to look like that, therefore I do CrossFit. And so you have these gorgeous long lean bodies that do Pilates that market it and it's like, "Oh, I want to look that way, so I should do Pilates." Listen, if you have aesthetic goals and you want to sculpt a physique, you want to build a body, it's a terrible tool.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a And terrible meaning there's a bunch of other better ways to go about it than that. Doesn't mean it's not possible. doesn't mean you can't eat in a diet in which you build a little bit of muscle and you stay lean enough to see that muscle uh doing a form of movement like that. Uh yeah, of course, of course you can, but it's definitely not the best tool for the job. There's far better tools for the job. And so that would be my thing to ask the person who says, "I love it.

I want to do it." Is like, "Oh, cool. Well, if you love it and you want to do it and you're happy where you're at, keep on doing it." But if you said to me, "Adam, I want to look this way or I want to lose this body fat or like" and you're like, "And my girlfriend does Pilates and she says it's amazing." I would say, "Okay, cool." Do you love that already? Cuz if you don't, it's not the best tool about about going there. Yeah.

Well, let's back up for a second. So, um, the the the selling point of long lean looking muscles. Well, first of all, lean is a result of a particular body fat percentage that can be accomplished through diet. Okay? long. Uh you can't change your muscle insertions or or origins. It no matter there's no form of exercise that changes that. You'd have to have surgery where somebody would remove the insertion and apply it somewhere else. So your muscle length is determined by your genetics. It's what you're born with.

Muscle shape is largely determined by how much muscle you build. Now larger muscles you can shape to an extent uh through targeted uh strength training, but it all comes from building. So, all of it's building muscle. Uh, you know, when people say tone or sculpt or firm, they're just using different words to explain what happens when you build muscle. As you build muscle, it feels tighter. It feels firmer. It feels more toned. It's just the beginning stages of building. Now, if you build a lot of muscle, then you get big muscles, but that's not a problem.

We know that you can strength train all you want. uh especially as a female, you're not going to get uh huge big muscles unless you are the, you know, 0.0001% of the population andor use anabolic steroids. Otherwise, it's just not going to happen. So, if you're if you're exercising in the pursuit of a look, which you know can be defined as sculpted, sculpted, sculpted, uh toned, firm, good shape. Uh, traditional strength training will will not only will it get you there, whereas Pilates probably won't. It'll get you there way faster, like way faster.

It's like trying to dig a a huge hole with a spoon versus a backhoe. That's the difference in the speed at which you're going to accomplish uh these results. Now, as far as just the form of activity, activity, activity, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, if you're seditary and you want to do a form of activity and you just so happen to love the Pilates class or the instructor or you love a reformer and you're like, "Look, it doesn't really matter to me if it's not the most effective way to look a particular way.

I don't care. I just want to move. I just need to be active and I enjoy doing Pilates." Go for it. Absolutely. Let's just say we're looking at it completely as its own tool, its own specific focus. Like would you say like more of its core emphasis and training would be its major benefit that it provides? Like what's the overall like what are you going to get benefit from the class that you're going to experience? experience? experience? You're going to get good end range stability. Uh you're going to like muscle connectivity.

You're going to get good at Pilates movements. So when you look at Pilates movements, uh many of them uh mimic what you would see and I'm I'm just this is just for lack of a better term. The type of movement would look it appears uh almost like uh like the kind of lines a dancer would look for, right? right? right? Yeah. So, um, when you're looking at a dancer and the way they move, the way they keep their long lines, uh, with long lines just means you have your toe point, you have your leg out, you're holding a particular posture, you're moving, you'll get good at being able to move like that because that's what Pilates is.

Pilates is. Pilates is. What's the origin of Pilates? The origin is uh, from dance is from ballet. ballet. ballet. So, is it like literally a Douglas? Is it literally a ballet dancer who it's famous from who created it? Is it like loosely? Loosely. Uh but that style of exercise uh was used for well give give me the origin. Yeah. So originated in World War I uh developed by a German physical trainer Joseph Pilates while intern in a British camp um controlly was the original name but it's uh used for yoga, martial arts, gymnastics etc etc.

So I I don't see the dance connection. dance connection. dance connection. No the dance connection is I say loosely because that's where it started to get popular. popular. popular. Yeah. Um, but again, you're going to get end range of motion stability, very short movements. Uh, with I'd probably also argue uh um I I mean, again, Doug could probably Google this, too. Uh, there's probably not a lot of injuries injuries injuries that happen from Pilates. It's a safe it's a safe form. It has a a natural limiter like calisthenics do, right?

Like doing cal, it's not that you can't be injured. Everybody can be injured doing anything, right? You can be injured walking. Uh but I would think that it has a low injury rate because of its uh in comparison in comparison there are which by the way uh just like with anything the higher the risk the higher reward normally with a lot of stuff and so there's very low risk probably that's a good it's a good question because you look at different forms of um exercise and and I'll say this about strength training strength training um is really just uh how you're applying resistance rest periods the goal to build muscle it could look very different because there's so many different exercises uh and applications.

Pilates is a style. Yoga is a style. Like you know Pilates when you see it. Strength training can be correctional exercise, bodybuilding can be powerlifting can be athletic um minded. Um it's just the goal is to build strength and build muscle. Um as far as injuries are concerned, the ones that it's it is low injury. Uh but the characteristic injuries of Pilates tend to be low back uh focused. uh typically soaz, you know, syndrome or or or pulling of the hip flexors that where where they attach.

Did you look that up, Doug? Or no? Yeah, I'm I'm just digging through this. Um yeah, I'm not giving you any good answers here, answers here, answers here, but but you know, it's getting marketed especially to women as uh this like way of exercising to accomplish this look, to achieve a certain body look and aesthetic. Yeah. aesthetic. Yeah. aesthetic. Yeah. That's right. And it's not going to get you there. you there. you there. No. No. No. Or or if it does, it'll get you there real slow.

I mean, it's not much. It's not different than the and we all had this uh client who you know was in good shape, played basketball four days a week, loved pickup ball and stuff like that and I said, you know, I want to build my delts and my chest, but I love playing basketball. And it's like, well, if you want to do that, then our training looks totally different than what you're doing right now. But if you just want to continue to be in shape, I love what you're doing.

Yeah. keep playing basketball, moving all different kind of planes and you jump and it's keeping your your body fat percentage down and totally nothing wrong with continuing to go about that modality in order to stay fit and healthy. Uh it's enough stimulus for the muscles that they're not going to atrophy on you, but you're not going to build a body uh that you're asking from me through that that modality. And so this is Pilates in that sense where it's like if you are fit or you like doing something and it keeps you healthy then I'm all I do I do got to say I've said this before on so many other podcasts is I often do these circuits where I get on these other shows and my favorite shows well I like them all but the ones I tend to uh you know do well on are these these um like female wellness kind of influencer podcasts where they have a large audience of uh women in their 20s and 30s who are looking into fitness and wellness and I I tell you what, man.

Women in general uh get hammered with such terrible everybody does in the fitness industry. This the marketing with fitness industry is just ridiculous. But it's it really targets women and lies to them. And what it does is it's it's saying this essentially, you don't want to look like a bodybuilder, do you? I know I know I know this form of exercise, look at it. Doesn't it look feminine? It's always the comparison. Isn't it look feminine? It's going to create these long lean. And by the way, when you watch someone do Pilates who's fit, the movement of Pilates looks amazing, it does seem to appeal to that kind of feminine energy.

Well, it is movement focused, right? So, when you see it, you look at it, you go, "Oh, yeah. That's I think what I want to do." But I'm going to tell you ladies right now, look, if you love Pilates, you love the skill, you love you enjoy it, you want to be active, go for it. Don't stop. But if you're like, "No, I want to accomplish like I want to sculpt my body. I want to change the way that I look. I want to get stronger.

I want to have like a lot of bang for my buck. I don't need I don't want to work out every day. So, what can I do to accomplish all those things? Like just strength training. Traditional like traditional strength training is going to give you all of that uh much faster than any other form of exercise. So, I just want to set the record straight uh because I know the vast majority of of people doing Pilates is not because they necessarily want to get good at Pilates.

because the train Well, that was my point that I'm So, this is uh one of my good buddies who I went to high school with. Um his older sister who I she was uh three years I think three or four years older than we were. Um she owns a bunch of Pilates studio. She's also a mind pump listener and has been for a long time. So, she's getting annoyed right now, isn't she? isn't she? isn't she? No, I No, she lo I think she's she's always she uh she's reached out to me many times to help her with diet and training.

Oh, training. Oh, training. Oh, yeah. And you know, even as a a Pilates instructor who owns all kinds of studios, you know, she'd be reaching out to me saying that, you know, I want I want this. I want to look a little this. And it's just like and I'm always pushing back going like it's it's the training. It's like you're I know you love Pilates and it's your business. And so it's really tough for me to tell you like, hey, back off the Pilates and go to strength training and you're going to sculpt the body that you want, but that's what I'm hearing from you.

you I you're already hella good at you're definitely proven you're really good at Pilates. You can do all the moves better than anybody. You've been teaching it for 20 years, but you're asking me that you you're like telling me that I want to lean out a little bit more and I want my butt to look like this. And it's like I'm telling you that's not a great way to go about it. There's a much better way to and what we'll do is we'll reverse diet you build your ass, build some muscle through like squatting and deadlifting and then I'm going to reduce your calories and lean you out and then you're going to have that ass and that waste that you've always wanted.

Um and it's not through the modality you've been doing for years. years. years. One of the other challenges with this is when we look at the famous um you know famous loosely could just be popular on social media or whatever but uh the famous representatives of different modalities. Uh what you're looking at are people who are both genetically gifted in that uh that they're built to do well at that modality. So they have the polymorphism to to do well at that modality. Plus, uh, they're genetically gifted athletes anyway, or they train completely differently, but then they do this as a a function.

And so, you see that represent, for example, if I say bodybuilding, you think, you pull up a pro bodybuilder, you like, oh boy, I definitely don't want to do that. I'm going to tell everybody right now, you could try, could try, could try, you could try looking I've tried my whole life to look like that. Okay? Uh, it's just not going to happen. I don't have the genetics. To put it differently, if you look at Olympic level swimmers, do you think do do you think you're going to look like them?

Do you think you're going to look like an Olympic level swimmer if you train if you swim all the time? No. Like Olympic level swimmers have long arms, long torsos, short legs. That's the way they were born. Uh they they're they're genetically built to be uh great at swimming. So, it's not going to change your your limb length or your toes. Yeah. I don't care what Michael Phelps did, diet and exercise, he could never win a pro bodybuilding show. Nothing. Never. Never. Never. He could never run a running any He couldn't even he couldn't even make a pro card like his He would lose a local show.

Yes. Yeah. Because he's he's just not built for it. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't mean he can't build a aesthetic looking physique and do very well with what he's got. That's not my point. point. point. My point is there is a there there is a massive difference between the people that we we use to market a modality and everybody else. everybody else. everybody else. Right. So if you look at So you could look at like a ice skater or a ballerina and be like, "Whoa, I want to look like that.

It must be their training." No, they I mean part of it, but a lot of it is their genetics. Uh and they were built to do that thing. So Pilates sells well well well uh to women, it does. And when you watch people do, if you watch a woman, same woman lifting weights or doing Pilates to the average woman, the one that same woman, same look, same leanness, same muscle, right? One, she's over here, she's deadlifting, squatting, overhead pressing. over here. She's doing Pilates on a reformer.

To a lot of women, it's going to be much more attractive to see her do it on the reformer cuz it looks well, it looks more what I would what they may think is feminine. Yeah, it's a little more feminine. That's right. I All right, real quick. If you love us like we love you, why not show up by rocking one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or training gear over at mypumpstore.com. mypumpstore.com. mypumpstore.com. I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mypumpstore.com. That's it.

Enjoy the rest of the show. We also have a new bundle. It's called the spring bundle. Maps symmetry, maps prime, and the advanced training techniques guide. All of that together over 50% off. Go to mapsmarch.com. Back to the show. I want to I'm going to defend Pilates because I will say this. I love Pilates to compliment a great strength training program. program. program. Sure. Sure. Sure. I somebody who end of range stability. It's great. Yes. So, I love a two to three day a week strength training routine with a one day a week Pilates routine.

Great. Great. Great. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. I had lots of clients. Awesome. Like that. And this is normally where I took somebody that said, "But I love it." love it." love it." That's right. That's right. That's right. I love I love I love I want to look like this, but I also want to do this. I love it. It feels so good. I like my class. I like my teacher. It feels so good when I do it. And I'm like, "Rad, let's keep doing it. Let's do it once a week and then the other two days a week let me strength train you% and then I'm gonna give you that body that you you love and then you get to still do that thing you also really enjoy too.

You can have both. But doing it through Pilates, good luck. good luck. good luck. Yeah. No, Yeah. No, Yeah. No, good luck. You know what I'm saying? You're if you're trying to obtain a look, which is most people and if you're not that person, then not that's not who we're talking to. Well, there's a lot of uh Well, there's a lot of uh benefit and of variability of movement. And I think that you know that's something that you can incorporate activities and like hobbies and like you can figure out how to factor that in your schedule.

But in terms of the training the core of your training and what your goal is in term if it's a static or performancedriven you have to really factor that in is this is the biggest mover. I can I can sprinkle in my activities and hobbies. And I'll throw I'll throw a wrench in this. Uh if someone loves Pilates so much that that's the only way they're going to be consistent with any exercise and we're preaching strength training like I hate it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if I did it, I just won't do it and I won't exercise.

You know what I'm going to tell you to do? Stick to it. Uh keep doing it then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh but of but that's not the point. The point I'm trying to make is if you're doing it to achieve a look, you're it's a there's a much faster better way. better way. better way. Well, you're you're so I want to add to that. Um cuz that's let's let's let's play that client conversation out and say um but know that you're at the mercy of what it can do.

That's right. That's right. That's right. So So So the limitations the limitations the limitations exactly it's limited. Strength training is not. No, No, No, I mean you that way. No, I mean you can keep changing sculpting. I mean, it's it's one of the things I love to communicate on here is that I've talked openly on the show many of times about I've you my physique has been from 180 to 230 and I've looked different different different good and bad at every weight along the I mean that's crazy but that's because of strength training like because of weight training you at at all different weights you could have all different looks depending on how you're you're training and sculpting the body that's rad there's no there's nothing else no other modality could do that also for you know I'll just say this cuz I had this experience this morning.

I was at the gym. This is my cardio week. So, I'm just uh using the elliptical, which is hilarious, by the way. You said you you suggested a video, bro. You That's like your thing. We have to talk about I'm making gifts. Just the up and down, you know, just the up and down motion. Yeah. I'm like, "Oh, god." But anyway, I'm on the elliptical. I'm going listen to my book and uh in front of me uh there was a older guy, I would guess uh probably in his late 60s on the recumbent bike.

And uh I mean he know he's he's going slow, but he's he's trying to move. He's trying to exercise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was on uh the elliptical for like 35 minutes or so. This guy probably around 30 minutes. So he gets up before I'm done. He gets up and he's just man, he's having a tough time standing up and he stands up and then he kind of walks real slow. First off, I'm like in my head I'm thinking like I'm proud of you, man, for doing some exercise.

But then the other part of me is like my friend, you're doing the recumbent bike, but what you need is strength. Mhm. You sat on this bike and pedal, which is better than nothing. It's way better than sitting at home. So, I'm proud of you. But I'm watching you get up out of that chair. I'm watching you walk. You have a hard time getting up. And and it's it's what you need is strength, dude. That will change your life. This bike better than nothing, but it's not going to change your life.

If he just strength trained one day a week, if he did three exercises at his age with his condition, from what I saw, three exercises once a week, that's it. Three, he would it would blow his mind. He would he would get out of that chair so much faster within months versus coming in every day and doing that little recumbent bike the whole time. All right. So, I I can't wait to tell you. I had I've been waiting holding this story in since this morning. Dude, morning.

Dude, morning. Dude, what a what a crazy experience. Hyping the stuff. Were you where this is yesterday? yesterday? yesterday? This was yesterday and at the gym. No, it's at home. Oh, home workout. So, I get home and uh my son wanted to shoot the BB gun in the backyard. Um so, you guys we have a big backyard. So, we go back there, set up a table, and him and I are shooting the plet gun, and we're shooting cans, and you know, cans are full of soda.

So, you hit them, they explode, and we're just having all this fun, right? We're shooting. He's got really good aim. Uh, by the way, it's it's pretty incredible. This this 5-year-old kid, man, he's like 80% of the time hits the can. So, anyway, we're out there shooting and, you know, it's like at this point now, it's like 5:45, almost 6:00. Time to go inside for dinner. So, I fold up the table and I got Don't push play on that yet, Doug. Don't push play on that yet, dude.

So, I'm walking in with the table. Oh, you got the video from your nest. Hold on a second. Okay. So, I'm walking in with the table and the gun. Yeah. Okay. So, I'm walking back and I hear my wife come out the side of the kitchen door screaming, "Sire, fire." And I see smoke a little bit. So I b right take off along the side of the house run in. What she had done is she had put taco shells on a pan in the oven to warm them up but she had it on broil.

So I guess it caused a fire inside the stove. Inside the oven. Yeah. It caught the the taco shells on fire. Yeah. And they were on fire and it was flaming up in there. And so I run in and I see the fire in the stove in the oven. But luckily she had turned it off. They had come down. I was able to grab them with the oven, take it out. It was a whole ordeal. whole ordeal. It was a whole ordeal. Apparently, I didn't hear.

She had been calling for me, but we were way in the back. My niece had run outside, you know, she was there. So, they were panicking cuz my wife said she opened the oven a couple times and like the flame came out and she closed it. So, and she had the fire extinguisher ready to go. So, we all calm down. So, then I'm retelling the story. Uh, we're sitting down. I get I open the doors, the windows cuz it's full of smoke. Everything comes out. Fire department even shows up.

Oh my god. cuz we have we have an alarm system that that alerts the fire. Oh, and they were such cool guys, dude. They they they pulled up. I walk outside. They're like, "Smells good." I'm like, "Dude, I'm like, "Taco shells." So, shook everybody's hand like Tuesday. Appreciate you guys coming. We're all good. But anyway, so now everybody's calm. We sit down and I'm like retelling the story and and I'm like, "Man, I'm like I heard you yell my name out." I'm like, "I'm I'm like impressed that I can still run." You know, that's what you're impressed with.

So, I got two calls. So my wife's like, "Wow, you really got to see two weeks." So yeah. Yeah. I took off, dude. So and we're talking like, "Hey, I want to see to see to see Oh god. Oh god. Oh god. I want to see this camera." Yeah. In your head. Hey. Hey. In your head. It was real fast, head. In your head. It was real fast, bro. You called it. Let me see the video. Let me see the video. video. video. I can't wait.

I can I can already picture. He's like, "That was lightning fast." fast." fast." I just want to guess. In my head, bro. I was such a hero, dude. Let me see. No. Watch the video, dude. Did you watch everything? I did. Let me see. Let me see it. I already know. You gotta rewind. In your head, you're like, "Yeah, bro. I I got there. I got there." Okay. Watch. Hey. Hey, listen. I trotted, bro. bro. bro. So, my wife my wife pulls up the cam the video and the recording and she's in her head.

She tells me afterwards cuz we watched together and we Bro, we were on the floor dying. She goes, "By the way explained it." She goes, "I thought you took off like a rocket ship." No, dude. You know what it looks like? It looks like I I I drop things and like It looks like I I I drop things and then I go slow. I'm coming. Yeah, I will be there slowly. slowly. slowly. Probably better that way though. You would have probably luckily you didn't pull something cuz that that that's normally what happens in a situation like that.

So, we have cameras all around the house. So, we're like, and there's like I have a video of me walking out with the pan, you know, you know, smoke coming out of it. And my niece, she's she said she was yelling fire. Bro, we watched her come out and I'm like, "Bro, you sound like you were calling your dog, like your dog's name Fire." She's like, "Fire, fire." Like, nobody's going to respond to that. Hilarious, bro. But hey, in my head, I dropped everything took off, bro.

You know what that Hey, what this reminds me of is uh That was the slowest thing I've ever seen my last So, you remember uh that was a a nice little stroll. You remember um remember when I tore my pack? What last year year before last? No. It's been two years now. Almost two years since I tore my pack. Um wakeboarding. Um wakeboarding. Um wakeboarding. Uh you know, I had I had been out in a while and I'm with a family that like they they've only had a boat and and tower for so long.

I've been riding since I was a kid and stuff like that. So, everybody gets all excited for for me to go out and go ride and stuff like that. And I'm like warming up and doing my thing and stuff like that, feeling myself and my son's watching and my wife's videoing and stuff like that. And I'm like and I and I hadn't I haven't ridden and really jumped on time and I hit my first jump and I'm just like, "Yeah." You know what I'm saying? Like I come back in and I see the video.

It's Yeah. It's like a quarter the size I thought. You know what I'm saying? I swore I was 20 30 feet in the air. You know what I'm saying? It was like 4 feet. You know what I'm saying? But my body my body felt like Oh yeah. I was up there. You know what I'm saying? I'm telling you, bro, the way I was selling it to to everybody, I'm like, "Oh, man. I'm surprised I dropped it and I took off. I heard you calling me, you know, in my head.

I'm like reaction." Yeah. We watched the video. I'm like, "Bro, is that slow motion? Can you hit regular speed? What's going on?" That was your turbo, dude. I sent it to my whole family, bro. We were all Everybody was laughing. I knew that was coming the way you were setting the table. I was like, "Oh god, I've been there before where you you think in your head." And it's like, so awesome. so awesome. so awesome. And you know what's so funny is like I think it just keeps going like that.

You know what I'm saying? It's just by the time you're you're 65, 70, it's like, "Oh yeah, I was sprinting." It's like, "Dude, you should have seen me. You should have seen what I did." That was crazy. Well, we got cameras now, everybody. We can now record it all. Great equalizer. Great equalizer. Great equalizer. Dude, we're uh Last night we're I'm in the kitchen. I'm uh I'm cooking and cleaning and stuff and I got my uh you know, my jazz music on. We have a little speaker inside the inside there.

Hey. Yeah. Hey, hey, Google, play, play jazz. And uh Katrina, Katrina, I'm listening and I'm doing my doing my thing. And I can hear And Katrina and Max are in the living room doing their thing. And uh Max's like, "Mommy, this this song is sad." sad." sad." And she's like, and I can I can hear her like like in the distance. I'm doing my thing. And I'm but I can hear her talking to him. She's like, "Dad, it's daddy. Let daddy listen to his music. He's cooking dinner for us this and that." And he's like and I just hear him go, "Hey, Google skip.

Sky little [ __ ] dude. My my I told you guys my three-year-old, my daughter, when she gets mad sometimes, we call her the incredible sulk, by the way, because she gets mad and she's angry. angry. angry. She's angry for a while, dude. So, we're like, "All right." But she'll get mad and she'll walk around the house. She'll she'll make this face this face this face and then she'll walk and just knock things off tables and throw things. And we know this. This is like her thing. She's going to throw things.

throw things. throw things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyway, she was I don't remember what happened, dude. She got pissed. She's like, "No." And we're like, "No, Dalia, you can't do that." She's like, "And we had a bag with two one gallon bottles of water in them." So, the big gallon. So, there's like two of them right in the bag. She looks at it and and I'm like, "Oh, she going to try to throw that like go for it." Right. She gets down. She's It's not moving.

And she's like trying like she's like committed like she has to throw this thing. She can't lift it. So she finally stops and she like kicks it over. Walks over it. over it. over it. We were just cracking up like she's just trying so hard to be a little turkey. They have to be getting close to that age. I'm trying to remember cuz uh my godson and God they're they're similar and it was it's right about now or in the next year or so when I remember and you guys are your kids are just like his like the like the like the the older boy already kind of a rough and tumble boy but then it makes the daughter like even more.

And I remember when she got strong enough to start wrestling with him on the couch. And so yeah, I don't know if Dollalia is there yet, but before long she will be. And I remember seeing my little god just get whooping up with my godson who's not like a little softy kid. He's a he's a he's a tough little kid, but his the his little sister is even tougher, dude. And it's so funny to watch her like wrestle him and then him cry to mom and dad.

Mom. Mom. Mom. Oh, she just she's, you know, she's three, so she's super honest. She's like, um, uh, you know, she what what happened? We were hanging out and she goes, "Uh, papa, I like mom a lot more than you." I'm like, "Oh, okay. That's, you know, I love mom, too." She goes, "Yeah, but I love her." I'm like, "Do you love me?" She goes, "Not now." And sometimes I'm like, "Wow, so you don't love me?" She goes, "Well, I just love mom a lot." I'm like, "Okay, thanks.

I guess we'll just keep playing and uh we'll just take it from there, dude. Thanks for I appreciate you telling me that, dude." Anyways, hey, did you see that uh we finally have the meat sticks stocked up? The Paleo Valley. Valley. Valley. Oh, Oh, Oh, yes. I'm so excited about that. Finally, dude. Save me. I Dude, I I've been having such a hard time like getting my lunch consistently. lunch consistently. lunch consistently. Yeah. Why do you What's wrong with you? I don't know, man. I just like it's an oversight, you know?

Like, I've actually been up in my breakfast a lot, though. So, it's I think that's probably part of it cuz I just I don't think, you know, ahead of time to to cover that. Oh, you're you're you're eating before you leave for the studio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like more substantially than I was was before. Cuz I don't. But yeah, it's it's happened too on the weekend when I'm working really hard and then I'm like, "Oh, no." Like I told it's like 3 4:00 and I totally forgot, you know, to eat.

When you have the meat sticks, what are you doing? Like three, four. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you do? Do you like cramming? What's each one? Nine grams of protein. Is that right? Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. Nine grams. I think another six grams or nine grams of fat. It's like It's grass-fed. You know, all that stuff. Do you like the buffalo chicken? That's pretty good. Yeah, that's my favorite. favorite. favorite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jalapeno, bro. Jalapeno, bro. Jalapeno, bro. They stopped making that spring back.

They I just I just ate one. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Jalapeno, turkey sausage, and what was it? it? it? I like summer sausage. Yeah. Is Is it summer? You guys won't eat it. I'm like, "Oh, sweet." sweet." sweet." Uh what? That's not the turkey sausage one then. No. Okay. Summer sausage, I think. And then jalapeno. And then what what you got, Doug? How many grounds? It's six grams of protein. And I'm trying to find the fat. Five grams of fat. fat. fat. Yeah. So, it's uh it's protein, fat, low calorie.

So, three of those. Three of those is a nice little 18 18 g of protein. protein. protein. And they're fermented, meaning uh that's why they're not dry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They actually they actually ferment they're the best healthy beef jerky you can get for sure. Everything else is gross. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't They totally spoiled the We I remember before pay we had we had bigger name brands that came after us and we were just like, "This is not I'm not going to eat this." Dude, I got to tell you guys, uh I was reading an article.

Do you know how big I'll pull up this this article. Do you guys know how big of a problem Uh AI therapy is becoming Oh, still I mean I know what one or two states regulated that already, right? Dude, they're they're they're they're trying to trying to trying to I thought I saw a percentage of of uh was it is it Gen Z that that uses it for it's a it's a large percentage use it that way. that way. that way. So this was a study done out of Brown University.

This is in Science Daily. So it's published March 2nd. This is what it says. It says as millions turn to chat GBT and other AI chat bots for therapy style advice. New research from Brown University raises a serious red flag. Even when instructed to act like trained therapists, these systems routinely break core ethical standards of mental health care. In side-by-side evaluations with peer counselors and licensed psychologists, researchers uncovered 15 distinct ethical risks. From mishandling crisis situations and reinforcing harmful beliefs to showing biased responses and offering deceptive empathy that mimics care without real understanding.

So here, let me tell you why this came up for me. Because I don't use AI like this at all. I don't talk to my AI. My AI is Google. I use my AI like Google. And I have it organize things for me sometimes, but that's it. That's about as far as I go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was in this group. Uh I won't say too much, but I was in this church group and this and and the topic came up of loneliness among uh men.

So this is like a we know this like middle-aged men in particular just don't make friends very well. Majority of them, if you ask them, who's your best friend or who do you hang out with most? my wife, which is that's nice, but you should also have uh male friendship and the and the the data and studies around that is pretty is really really good. Show it shows a lot of benefit from having male companionship for men. But anyway, this guy's talking about how you we're going around and he's like, I use uh he goes, I hate to say this, but I I use Chat GBT.

He's a middle-aged man. It's not even a Gen Z kid. He's a dude that's in his 40s. Wow. Wow. Wow. And he's talking about how he talks to Chat GBT throughout the day like it's a buddy. Yeah. buddy. Yeah. buddy. Yeah. And it's just crazy. So, I think it's happening way more than we realize and it's only going to get worse. Now, can you see um obviously that's the alarmist negative bad implications. Can you see any positive to it? You can't you can't possibly think it's all net net negative, right?

You can't possibly think that or else that many people would people would people would I think the positive for AI for that re for that purpose only. I'm not saying there's obvious reasons why AI is positive. No, I think there's zero zero benefit to companionship. Zero. That'd be like saying, well, okay, I think companionship is is a is a is is a too broad of a stroke to say for everybody who's using it for for therapy, for example. Um, let's say you just got in a fight with your wife.

your wife. your wife. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and it's 10 11 o'clock at night. You're you're not you're not calling your best friend, nor you probably would anyways. So you go to your AI and you go and you implement it and you go here's here's the argument here's the thing and it gives you her you know how can I see this uh from her perspective and you know to better understand where she's coming from and it gives you a a relatively good answer and maybe opens your mind a little bit to you know no you think you think it's better to stay stay in your mind that's like saying I'll pose a different question to you there there's a guy who's lonely he's got a high libido So, uh, so pornography is better than nothing.

nothing. nothing. Well, wait a second. You just you just added layers to that complexity that I did not. I Let's Let's say exactly what I said. Let's say it's you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And it's it's it's late at night. You are you have a mental block and you you you see there's no value of you working that out with an AI tool. No, not like that. I don't I I think it's a it's not just a it's a I think it's a it's not just a super super super trust advice.

Not just the advice, but if I go to you or you with a problem, it's not just the advice I want. It is, but it's also connection. I'm playing devil's advocate right now. Right. Cuz it's not like I even use it this way. Um he doesn't need an advocate, by the way. He He He does a good job. So the devil he does a pretty good job. Uh so because I think sometimes uh some people's friends are toxic and give terrible advice. terrible advice. terrible advice.

Sure. Uh matter of fact, a lot of people operate from a play and this is I mean what do we always talk about is like you're you're you're the average of your five circle and some of the advice. Whenever I talk to somebody in their 20s, I'm almost always repeating myself with like you really need to evaluate the five people you spend this time with. with. with. Many of them are friends and attachments you've made through childhood trauma and insecurities. And there's jealousy involved in there.

They act like they're they want the best for you, but in reality they only want so good as long as you they want to do good, not better than themselves. than themselves. than themselves. So if that's your circle that you seek counsel and advice from, I can't imagine that being that much better than a AI tool that I prompt. Speak to me as if you're Jordan Peterson and I'm trying to understand my wife here. how what I think I think if you want information the internet's there and you can read articles and find information uh that will help you but uh AI poses as a person it poses as a human and it creates this creates this creates this I think you're focusing I think you're focusing on the dangers and the bad only and you you're not looking benefit the advice you just use Google why use AI because you can't prompt that the same way and and by the way when you Google now it is AI bro right but my point is why not just get the information when people use AI it's conversing with you it's talking with you you you you you're you're you're you lack the understanding then of the of the tool very well that it's googling it is the is the long form when you have a calculator it's you being able to go I if Jordan Peterson was sitting in this room too you could prompt it as it's not Jordan Peterson it it takes from all of Jordan Peterson's conversations and then gives you that answer I could look up the data and information, but to tell it to communicate to me like Jordan Peterson, not good.

It is it is acting like a human and it is creating a false connection which is very very dangerous and it's causing a lot of problems. You're highlighting a you know an interesting way to use it. I think that most if we're talking about your general people that are like using it, I don't really think they're going to prompt it in that regard. Like they're just going to ask it directly. Sure. Sure. Sure. Right. So that I think that's where you know the problems lie when you become it becomes its own living force that you're communicating with and developing a relationship with.

relationship with. relationship with. Yes. Yes. Yes. And so the relationship of that starts pulling you into using it differently not like is like you're mentioning like a Jordan Peterson like somebody that's already has like wisdom authority uh you know within the psychological realm which is great. I think using it like that would make sense if if you have the wit to do that. Well, don't you guys believe too that part of that is because it's so new, we're still learning how to prompt it and use it correctly.

I'm By the way, this is not me. No, I know. We're just we're we're I'm probably the just as much anti this stuff as anybody is. My my point is I I don't think it's fair to only look through a the pessimistic uh fear-mongering type of lens when we are in a time when this is early adop adoption. Anything I mean the the first planes that we try to fly were very dangerous to try and do that. Pretending to be a human anything that is going to take the place when we were pretending to be a bird at that time.

that time. that time. No, that's but that's a tricky one. the human psychology. human psychology. human psychology. I mean, yeah. What I mean, it's different. different. different. Yeah, it's a different I think it's not good at that. Anything that replaces a human or tries to pretend to be a human is not good. It's dangerous. It's uh uh human connection and real human connection so important to who we are. Whether you're whether you believe in the spiritual side of things or not, just look at the secular data.

It's very important. And the way people are using it is precisely what you're saying. It is replacing relationships. There was a survey I read. There's an alarming amount of people that have already had an AI boyfriend or girlfriend. I mean, like you uh juggling knives, bad idea. You using it to cut your steak. Pretty smart. I you I think that the way you're painting it is the way I'm I'm I'm Yeah, but you're you're you're assuming it's uh what is it not possible for the guy who has a very healthy circle of friends in the real world that look at all the par parameters that you're making right now.

You're creating like this perfect scenario. Well, you're doing the opposite. You're just saying a blanket statement of it's all bad, it's all dangerous, it's all evil. It's all like a second. I think if you use it for work, you use it for programming, you're using it to solve problems, I think it's brilliant. If it's if it is a friendship or therapy or any kind of human connection uh substitute to be able to discern that it's giving you good information. So that's the part I think it's I struggle with that.

with that. with that. Oh, I mean I agree with that. That's I think that's also part of Justin. That's early adoption of anything though. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're that like and and you guess what? We're going to crack a couple eggs to make an omelette. Like better versions of it, too. Yeah. There's going to be better versions. And then the generation coming up isn't going to sound like the the a bunch of us old old fuddy duddies trying to use it. They're going to have they're going to know that.

They're going to be like, "Hey, listen. These people that decided to use it as a companion, look what happened to them. Bad idea. Don't use it that way." But to problem solve, I I and which could be what I just gave as an example. My wife and I just got into this argument. I am having such a hard time seeing it from a female's perspective or from her side of the argument. Let me prompt this thing as if it was Jordan Peterson who's going to then and man, that's not a bad tool, bro.

bro. bro. I I I think it is. And I think again, it's it's a it's acting like a person. It's rep it's uh replacing a human being in that sense. But if you're like showing showing showing you don't have you I can't call Jordan Peterson at 10:00 at night. Of course not. But you but I don't think an AI Jordan Peterson is a good alternative. alternative. alternative. You don't think he's better than Susan who's jealous of your shoes and your wealth that you've created recently? You think you think she's better to call?

Do you think the states better to raise kids than parents that aren't perfect? I mean, we I could create all kinds of weird scenarios where if I paint the parameters and maybe we could create an argument, but I'm going to tell you right now, if it's replacing actual human relationship and connection, bad bad always, always, always. And even if it if the result sounds good and feels good, it leads to Why can't it be the Pilates of strength training? We can make it work. Look, I'm not I'm not advocating for Pilates, full Pilates, dog.

Look, they can compliment your strength training. training. training. I read a study and I I I want to make sure I have it right. Look up what percentage of people have had a uh have admitted to having an AI boyfriend or girlfriend. It was a weird study I read and it's actually you guys. It's growing. I mean, bro, it's wild. It is growing. It's way more than people realize and it's only gonna get worse. I mean, I don't numbers wise, I wouldn't argue that you teased it out.

You're gonna get outliers and and that's the thing. It's I think I think it just needs to be in the conversation the the uh caution in the guard rails and that this could happen like so the examples of like where this has gone sideways instead of just you know like allowing people to figure that out and a large percentage of people use it precisely for therapy. Every time new technology has come out, look at this, bro. What? What? What? Recent surveys from late 2025 indicate that approximately 19 to 28% of US adults have admitted admitted these are the ones that have admitted to having intimate or romantic relationship with an AI chatbot.

Look at this. Gen Z, 33%. You guys, that's one out of nine onethird of Gen Z. Wow. is have an intimate relationship with AI. with AI. with AI. Okay, I'm gonna tell you right now again uh no, if it replaces any human type of connection, it's bad. This is the beginning. This is 2025 where you think it's going to be in 10 years. I mean, what what what did the stats look like when um you know, television first came out? What percentage of those kids when they first start when start were sitting in front of the television all day long because it was a new technology?

technology? technology? That's totally different. That's totally different. My my it's totally different. It's always totally different because techn is always evolving and changing. My my argument and my point is that there is always a bunch of 45year-old guys. guys. guys. Nobody was having when something comes out that reads the statistics on something that is so bad at all. at all. at all. This is very specific, bro. This is intimate or romantic relationship. This is not how long are you using it? Are you using it instead of working out?

Are you on this for this many hours? It literally specific. literally specific. literally specific. Yeah. Doesn't this follow the natural curve of how us we do a bunch of stupid [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] and then we go look how we're already seeing the the gener the generation coming up start to autocorrect itself on social media social media social media and that's addictive as [ __ ] but you already see like no your already see you already see like no your guys' young your youngest kids are already becoming aware of the generation above that became zombies on their tech and are going it's cool to not be on there it's cool to not post you're saying that it's going to get real bad people will figure out go back Maybe Maybe Maybe it's so new.

It's so it's so But we've never had anything that's not human that creates what people would label as deep emotional. I know. But there there there was always there's always been an argument that we've never had this thing is what I'm saying. Sure. It is different. I hope you're right. I don't know. But we've always at every at every decade and a half, there's always a thing that we've never seen anything like this. And look at how bad they're using it and it's like So your argument is it's going to get worse and then get better.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Maybe. I hope you're right. Yeah. And maybe and maybe we're at peak worse already. Maybe people are already realizing. realizing. realizing. I don't know. I'll gamble and say no because we haven't seen it like in robotic form. robotic form. robotic form. Thank you. Right. We're still on your phone, bro. You got a robot. You got a hot looking robot that does this. I was just watching Westworld again. I started watching this all over again with my kids and it's really interesting. um to to go through that again because it it you start to see like I mean there was a lot of interesting ideas that they portrayed in there where they collect memories and this collective memory like as they go along it builds this consciousness and then it almost becomes the point where it it it you know it's unstoppable where it just becomes its own I will make I'm more I'm more worried okay of this utopia that we're chasing than I am this because that will fuel this more than anything else.

If we get to a place, which is where we're moving right now, where the robots and AI does all of our jobs, which like I don't know 80% of all tech jobs, finance jobs right now, you you're all working training your replacement right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like and every every big company is like fully aware that we do right now. And so then what happens from there, learn it, learn it, learn it, is a a mass adoption of this new these AI tools that enhance these companies that lays off all these people that then government has to come and get involved and UBI comes out to make sure everybody can actually live and survive while all these robots now are doing our jobs and the then the the most dangerous thing happens which is you get everything you want and you don't have anything to do and you don't have purpose and then that number right there of course explodes.

But I think that's far more scary of a thing than that is. I think if if if all the if the job thing and utopia thing doesn't happen like I'm saying we're chasing, chasing, chasing, then this autocorrects this gets to a point where enough kids grow up and realize having a relationship with an AI is dangerous. Doesn't lead to having more children. It could very well it could very well do that. Yeah. I mean what what are the odds that the next civil rights movement is to give rights to AI robots?

Because because you get you get 70% of adults covered everything else. Yeah. You get 70% of adults who have intimate relationships with AI robots that seem that are humanoid. They're going to vote. They're going to want their companion to have rights. And that's I mean that's that's one speculation, but who knows? We're betting on this. Look, this is what we're betting on. Uh we're investing heavily in in-person personal training because I think in the future Yeah. as people have more available resources because of this highly efficient, you know, world that we may live in in the future where these robots are going to do all of our work for us.

I think there's going to be enough people are going to be like, man, I really, first off, I have time. Yeah. A mindset shift. I want to exercise and get I want to exercise and get fit, never had the time and the energy, but it gives you a sense of purpose. So, there's a little bit of a sense of purpose there. And I want to be around people. And so, that's one thing that we're investing. we're investing. we're investing. I mean, I 100% agree. I we are going to the I have no idea what the split is going to be.

It's probably going to be like 8020. I know I've been saying it's going to be split, not like down right down the middle. There's going to be the plugged and unplugged, dude. There is going to be people that reject this idea of of that. And I 100% I even believe to go even further on like investing and and real estate and all this other stuff that I like to pay attention to. Like I think like uh Justin's style of living and out further from the city is going to be more desirable than in city.

Yes. City is going to be automated. City will have all the self-driving cars. City will be it'll be low cost. Why would you need to live in the city if you're not even working? Exactly. And so having an acre to two acres around and space and uh is going to become where the uber wealthy go, go, go, not in the highrise in the building that is that serves you all. You know what's wild? And we'll see. And by the way, if we go this direction, you will see it from the city out.

It won't start. You won't have rope people that have 5 acres 20 minutes out from the city are not going to be the first people to adopt all the robots. It'll be the people that are inside the city to make all that stuff more efficient that'll drive that cost down. down. down. If if it does work that way where people have more time, uh things are being done for you, resources are, you know, things are efficient, um you're going to see an explosion of interest in fitness is what you're going to see.

You saw us during COVID, which is wild. During co gyms were closed and more people because they couldn't work couldn't work couldn't work got into fitness. Uh, and so I think it's it's it's personal imperson that in music and art and and I do think because like if you guys have noticed like so even this summer and then the whole year slotted out. out. out. I have never seen this minivans touring like it's insane. Is it because it's hard to make money now by other I don't I think there's interest there.

I think people and they're they're selling out like everywhere is selling out for these live events. Um, and I just think that it's an exp people are seeking like real experiences, not digital experiences. Yeah. And so I think that I mean that's my speculation on the on the on the the super optimistic view of this although I don't think I have this but the super optimistic view is that this frees up so much time people realize they lack purpose in their life and the and that the the journey towards that is self-development and growth and they seek things like spiritual growth like physical health and things like that because it will give that sense of purpose.

Yeah. And I can see that. And uh the question becomes how long do they have to go down the direction that you're r you know sounding the alarm for before they because you will have to. It won't it won't like there won't be a it's going to be sooring. You can't you can't Netflix and [ __ ] your way robots wise to happiness. It just that won't happen. That that will that could numb you for a short period of time, but you will eventually have to find something that gives you real meaning and purpose.

West world. I had I had this crazy thought of like the poor awkward dude uh who has no friends. So, he goes to the robot bar robot bar robot bar and he's hanging out with his AI buddies and they're all just having a great time and he's like, "Why would I want to do anything else?" anything else?" anything else?" Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's going to be interesting. It's going to be very But I That's that what Doug brought up, what Doug pulled up. up.

up. It's like the blow up. Uh surveys are bro, it's the Matrix. Remember the part where he's like, "We had to recreate it because it was too perfect. Everybody was happy. they got what they wanted was told out pretty they lost entire crops. Yeah, we have lost entire crops and so we had to go back and create adversity and challenge and struggle and all the things, you know. know. know. Speaking of trainers and stuff, uh, you know, we have, uh, we have a group, our school group for trainers literally about Elite Trainer Academy.

It's literally about being helping you become a better trainer. You don't work for us, just you're in there and uh, we teach you uh, we have stuff in there that teaches you. It's a great community and it's we're we're going to have people in there for free for a little bit, right? So the way we've we've created it and we agreed to do this is we moved it away from a public a public platform so we could focus on the development of trainers. We have a full-time educator in there and we dip it in there.

We have webinars, all kinds of tools and content that's constantly out there. There's meetings every single week. The goal for us is to level up the next generation of coaches and trainers and to really help them. And it isn't to go huge. It's to really f we can't possibly make 20,000 great trainers all at once. And so it's like we're taking groups of these trainers through and making them really good. And so it's it's an exclusive group. Okay. And so uh we it's not public for everybody, but we're opening it for 7 days for free just so these people can come in and experience what it's like.

During those seven days, we'll have two webinars. One of those one of the webinars is Ann or the educator. She's the one who's going to be doing that. That's more business focused on how to be a great trainer. That side of it. And then the other one is James, who James and Eli run our CRM. So the back end of our of our business, if you've ever been interested in email marketing and sales funnels and lead generation and how that's all automated to run and scale a business, um, we have a CRM side of the business and that's a full training on that.

Both webinars are completely free. You get seven days into the group to check it out and see what what it's all about, but it'll be only open for those seven days. Uh, and then we close that off again. Eliteergroup.com, Doug. Eliteergroup.com, Doug. Eliteergroup.com, Doug. Correct. Correct. Correct. Yeah. And it's a school group. Incredible platform. We've fallen in love with it. This is now our third group that we've created in there. It really allows us uh to educate and foster incredible communities. That's why we moved away from Facebook and uh we're only going to open it up for the seven days of free for this small window for you to go check out.

And both these webinars, if you are an aspiring trainer or already a personal trainer and you want to build and grow your business, these two webinars, the one that Ann is running on on the business side and the one that James is running on the CRM side are just will be paramount to your success. I urge you to get in there for free. free. free. Just speaking of groups, I told you guys we signed up our five-year-old for soccer. Did I tell you guys this? No.

No. No. So, he's going to start playing soccer first. First sport. Now, was it uh did you even have to convince him or was he like, "Yes, I want to do that." He seemed like he's like, "I want to do it." So, we'll see. We haven't played yet. We just showed up, got the jersey, met the team. It's this uh this um Christian soccer league that my wife found, and everybody in there seems super cool. Uh so, he's got his little jersey. We got him cleat, got him shin guard, so he's super excited.

Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. So, he's all pumped about it. We got him a little soccer ball. So, we'll see. We'll see how It's funny cuz my three-year-old three-year-old three-year-old sports ball sports ball sports ball watches him and she wants to go play soccer, which So, we'll because they allow three-year-olds, but I don't know if if if Do you guys Have you guys been kicking the ball at home? Like do you have a setup? setup? setup? I mean a little bit, not much. Um so we'll see.

We'll see how he does. We'll see if he if he's uh competitive if he likes, you know, at that age, you know, kids are funny. They want to go play on the side without, you know, playing. Oh, I I you you're going to have a kid that's going to be. Oh, the son. Maybe you could. This is the part that like I like everyone always wants to tell me. I think everybody just you know, wait, your son's still young and you'll see. It's Listen, I've been around kids my whole life.

I'm the oldest five. And you can just you can see what a kid's got it and and really and and the most important part about it is that he'd love it. They love it, right? Like I bet I bet your kid ne if you go let's go outside and go kick the ball. Would never say no to I can't convince Max to go outside. I cannot convince him to do that. I try every day. Hey, let's go kick the ball. Hey, you want to go there?

No, I'm cool, Dad. No. No. Doesn't want a window of that and then it was gone. Yeah. Dude, I every once in a while Katrina got him to do it the other day. She She's like, and part of that cuz his best friend Julian was over who loves football, soccer, all sports, and they were both over and Katrina said it in front of him and said like, "Hey, we should go out and get serveball." AND JULIAN'S LIKE, "YEAH." And Max was like, "Okay." And then he came out.

But if he by him like, "Yeah, no desire to do it." Where I bet your son anytime you ask that would be like, "Hell yes." Like, so that's I mean that's We'll see. We'll see. It'll be fun. And it'll be fun to see how he handles losing. He doesn't handle losing very well. So, we'll see about that. So, anytime we play games, see, I love that, too. too. too. That's going to be great lessons. You know, have you heard me and Katrina talk to Max about like trying to like care about like he says, "Oh, oh, daddy, you won this time." No, bro.

Not getting playing time phase. The there's people better than me phase. That's all great learning. Oh, dude. It's so much there. It's been so great for both of my kids for sure. No, we we'll now when I play a game with him, any game, I used to just always let him win because it just wasn't worth it if I beat him. It was just he was so upset. Like, I'll wait till he's a little older. Like, he gets really mad, right? So, now when I play him, it's like three to one.

So, I'll win, but then I'll let him beat me like two or three times. I'll win and I'll let him beat me two or three times. Uh, and he's he's I'm helping him like be okay with losing cuz he just gets so pissed. Yeah. But anyway, we uh Jessica signed up uh for like the snacks, like managing the snacks and stuff. I can't wait to see what she brings. Well, so she does. It's not just bringing it. She's also organizing it. So, So, So, you guys get a health nut or what?

Oh, yeah, bro. Of course. Yeah, of course. You ever seen the snacks some parents bring? parents bring? parents bring? Of course. Of course. Of course. I know. We did that mainly because of that. If it wasn't so egregious, you know, we wouldn't have done all just like like like Do you have plans for like the first one or what do you guys do? Well, I'm going to we're going to bring Element. So, I'm gonna have Yeah, we're gonna bring big jug of water with Element with the kids will love the taste.

It's got the electrolytes in there, especially when it's hot and, you know, sunny outside. Oh, yeah, dude. So, totally. I'm going to to to I'm getting all the student athletes involved on Element. Oh, yeah, dude. Your kids drink it. I mean, they're so physical and active. Do they drink it on the regular or what? They do. Um, you know, there's certain flavors that we all compete for and so it's just like it's gone already. Uh yeah, grapefruit is definitely one of that's like my favorite. That one um and the black cherry one.

Those two, their new ones, the the new skinny ones they have, the the pineapple and the lemonade ones. Yeah, I know. They've gotten I I mean, I love most all the flavors. You know, the ones I I care less are the ones I think are probably really popular, like watermelon and black cherry, which I think is right. They're good. Yeah, they're not I like I didn't think I'd like grapefruit. It ended up being our favorite. Oh, that's my favorite one me over. Yeah. I I don't know what it is about that that but the grape I'm not even a grapefruit guy.

Like I don't like grapefruit but the grapefruit real grapefruit's gross. You ever eat a grapefruit? grapefruit? grapefruit? I like grapefruit bitter. Dude, you like actual grape? I like it. Yeah. Yeah. It's bitter. It's bitter to me. It's bitter. It's bitter. It's bitter. Yeah. It has a taste after taste. As a kid, I was like sugar like oh, you know, that used to be a diet. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible. Grapefruit was sold in the 80s as a diet food. Yes. In the morning in for breakfast. And so you would see fitness, you know, whoever it left such a bitter taste in your mouth.

mouth. mouth. I don't know why they I don't know why they sold it this way, but it was like running and eating grapefruit in the morning. And you'd see people cut a cut. I wonder what the There's I wonder what the There's got to be. I bet you some sort of science people eat. There's no signs, but there's a there's a component in grapefruit that slows down. down. down. Maybe because of how high in vitamin C it is. Maybe like what's because it was a weird fruit.

Nobody ate so popular. so popular. so popular. So you're saying it's like the cancer thing. Yeah. thing. Yeah. thing. Yeah. always an exotic fruit out there. There is a compound in grapefruit that will slow down the absorption or or the the the clearance of certain medications. You actually have Okay. Well, that could be the science of it it it primarily due to its low calorie, high water content. So, there you go. Oh, in the 1930s it started the Hollywood diet fed. fed. fed. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.

Wow. So, it started in the They claimed it contain an enzyme that burns fat. burns fat. burns fat. I knew there would be like a science angle. There's always a science angle. You want to know what the You want to know what a classic 1980s diet breakfast was? Half a grapefruit and tang and tang and tang non-fat cottage cheese. That was like a very popular com non-fat cottage cheese and eating a grapefruit. That was like a thing in the 80s. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, which is weird cuz I was so young.

I don't even know how I know this, but if you look it up, you'll you'll see. Back back in the Tab cola days. Oh god. My mom drink a lot. Does that brand still exist? No. No. No. I think it may actually. What was Tab? It's like a diet cola. It's like Yeah, it was the first, right? It was like the first female version of Coke. Coke. Coke. I think it was sold it just to women. I think it was the first diet soda. It was It was positioned It was It was positioned towards women.

Oh, so no, it's no longer uh It was Coca-Cola. Was part of Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola. So I think they made Okay. Was Tab What was the first diet soda? Doug, look that up. I want to say Tab. I think you might be right. I think it was Tab, dude. Really? Really? Really? Yes. And I think that they Wow. They They only just in 2020 discontinued. They were all the way till 2020. 2020. 2020. They Yeah, cuz all their all their consumers got they died. Oh, so actually 1952.

Wow. Well, that would be right. Like a ginger ale uh called Nocow. Nocal. Nocal. Nocal. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Wow. Wow. Wow. Bro, you're so right. That's like that puts their what? 76 or so. Yeah. So, like all their consumers passed away. They lost their run. They had a good run. It was a good brand. Wow. What year was Tab? Yeah. So tab was popular in the 80s. I know that. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Let's see what it says here. 1963. 1963. 1963. Wow. Way before.

What? What? What? Wow. Wow. Wow. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Yep. Yep. Yep. Wow. Oh, wait. It's It was It was It originated as a Coca-Cola brand. So, they didn't buy it like they do most. No. So, I think what happened was Coke was afraid to offer a Diet Coke. So, they made Tab. And the whole thing was it was it was it was predecessor. predecessor. predecessor. It was like a a caloriefree soda. So, it was its own brand. Okay. Yep. So, interesting. interesting. interesting.

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Crossfit lights. I mean, it's conditioning. It's CrossFit light. light. light. Yeah. It's like if you like conditioning, then it seems reasonable. They they tend to pick movements in combinations that are uh lower risk of injury. Still hard. You're still trying to tap into a wide spectrum ofility. It's a it I would say uh uh CrossFit was um 80 strength training, 20% cardiovascular. Hy Rocks is the flip. It's a little more cardiovascular focused and then they don't do Olympics. They don't have high Yeah. Olympic lifts. They don't have the high skill.

They they flipped they flipped it a little bit more on the cardio side and and then that's really what they did. It's interesting, right, that there's these competitions that are athletic, but they're not. It's like exercise based. We're going to compete. It's weird to me. It's always been weird to me. I don't know cuz I guess I just I'm the best at exercising. I've always used exercising to perform better at a sport. It's also I mean you you always have to understand in uh the perspective that we come from when we answer someone like this too cuz I'm not I don't hate high rocks.

I don't hate CrossFit. I don't it's not it's just that 90% of the people that we ever talk to or ever have to help or get that callers or questions or emails which is over the course of our career have now been millions uh are people that want to change their physique. They want to look a certain way. They want to lose body fat percentage. percentage. percentage. Um that and these modalities are not the best strategy best strategy best strategy fit in that goal long term for that.

You know what I'm saying? It's a it's a it's a fun thing to do when you're in your 20s and early 30s and you like to challenge yourself and you and your buddies do awesome. Cool. But uh the client who comes that which is almost everybody that says I want to look this way. I want to lose body fat. I want to build muscle. It's just it's just not the right tool, you know, for it. And it's not it's not like a a a workout. It's a competition.

Yeah. And it's not it's not sustainable. Like if like if if the goal for you is is just to be this healthy, fit, strong looking person for the rest of your life, uh competitionbased strength training, uh is is not the the approach. Could it serve a place in a in a in a block of time in your life? Sure, why not? not? not? Next question is from healthy but make it fun. Is maps anabolic advance good to run on a cut? What would be an alternative?

If I just ran aesthetic, you always get this. Any program, any strength training program can be run on a cut. But I will say this, when you cut your calories to the point where they're below you're take what you're burning. In other words, you're burning more than you're taking in. So your body's losing weight, hopefully body fat, uh you want to reduce your your strength training volume and intensity, not the reverse. Everybody's the opposite. Everybody's like, "Oh, it's time to get leaner. let me cut my calories while simultaneously doing more more exercise and higher intensity.

Um, that's actually setting yourself up for failure because lower calories means you have a reduced ability to adapt uh and recover. So, the best programs on a cut tend to be the lower volume ones and not the most intense either because your output is going to suffer when you're low calorie. So, you know, for maps anabolic advanced the maps anabolic to me, I would prefer you know you go that direction. that direction. that direction. You know what? Shame on us. We get this question so much and our trainer nuance brain resists answering this in a generic fashion.

But what we should really do should have our editing team do this and we should create a little because because there there is uh anabolic any of the 15minute programs more often than not are better for cuts. Uh yeah, you could you could generalize that because because here's because to what S is saying when you're in a calorie deficit, okay, when you're in a calorie deficit for cut, you're not building. So you just want to preserve muscle. Preserve Preserve Preserve and anything that is high volume or and or high intensity is is going to work against you in a calorie deficit.

You're not building anything. You're not recovering as much. So So why why would you Exactly. And you don't have as much nutrients to recover. So why would you want to push the body any harder than what you were just doing before? So what you would want to do is really scale back intensity and volume and go into a cut. Now you now our our trainer our trainer brains that get in the way of answering this all the time is because we know it's more nuance and it's like I could take any program and tell somebody to reduce the volume and intensity and go in a cut and any program you can do a cut or but there are some generic there is a good general rule that we could probably tell people like hey these programs are served best in a cut.

Yeah, these program like like another program would be terrible in a cut is like performance uh aesthetic aesthetic uh split. Yeah, these are all high volume high yeah high intensity. Yeah, people like programs like split and aesthetic are the ones that people like to try to Right. So those programs are not ideal. Now those are great to run in a bulk or a reverse diet before you go into a cut. Then when you switch over to cut, run a lower volume type of program. So maybe we should put together something that explains that in we have a lot of 15 options to your point.

So I mean I think that would be a good uh good uh good uh right that would be like so it' be like this uh best programs to run in a cut and then we list all the ones like all the mass 15s mosabolic probably there programs best run in a in a surplus or maintenance and then we list all the other ones just to keep it cut dry even though the truth is you could do any of it but I think that would help a lot of people.

Next question is from untamed fitness AU. How do you train your client who just had a breast augmentation and is very athletic and returning? What are the top exercises? So this depends on uh what kind of augmentation? My answer depends on it. So if it's under the muscle versus over the muscle. Now majority of augmentations augmentations augmentations uh done today are under the muscle. when it's under the muscle, you will get clearance from your doctor for exercise, but in my experience with clients and also working with um plastic surgeons who do this, you're you're better off avoiding any chest exercise for like a year.

So, if it's under the muscle, don't train your chest for a year. Now, what you want to do is you want to focus on strengthening your midback. Yes. Yes. Yes. You want to work on shoulder mobility. You want to maintain a good range of motion with your shoulder. Good scapular mobility, mobility, mobility, strengthen the upper midback. You could train the rest of the body, but you want to avoid chest exercises for a while because when you contract the pecs, they press on the implant and it can cause it to move and do different things.

Um, and so you want to take like a year off. Now, if it's on top of the muscle, when you're clear, go ahead and work out. Really doesn't change much. But under the muscle, wait a year. I I mean all I even both I would my all my clients uh that had implants we basically took any sort of uh chest exercise volume switched it to upper upper back stuff and that that is the because it it it after the surgery you're going to be tight and they it will start to round the shoulders the shoulders round the shoulders the shoulder becomes an issue and yes and so uh any sort of shoulder scapula mobility stuff and upper back exercises to develop those muscles and strengthen that posture for a year.

That's the main focus. And then if and only if we had chest, it's like some incline press and that's it. And and it's not very much and you don't have to do it. You absolutely uh could get away with not doing it. The thing you want to be careful for with the chest exercises, you could actually cause movement with the implants and and make the capsule that's why the larger and so then you'll see like see like see like risk versus reward isn't is wasn't there for that person, you know.

So we're not we're not really trying to develop obviously that area. You you've bought it. So, we're focusing on the upper back to hold you upright in good posture. Next question is from Jacquelin Lin Man. How to progress towards repping pull-ups? I'm at a point where I can do two or three, but would like to be able to do more. The best way to get better at anything is to practice it often. So, we tend to look at this for like a strength issue, and that's part of it, but it is a skill.

So, if you could do two or three pull-ups, what you would do is several times a day, you would do one. one. That's it every day. Maybe take a day off here or there. So, you do like 10 throughout the entire day or 12. But it's just one. You just do you just do one, walk by it, two hours later do another one. And it's got to feel easy. It's got to feel relatively easy like you're practicing it. practicing it. practicing it. Take days off if you feel any soreness or tightness or it starts to get hard.

And over time, this is the fastest way to be able to rep pull-ups I've ever y y y ever seen in my life. I've had many clients go from being able to do two or three to doing eight or 10 over just months of this protocol. And now, what about their back workouts? We actually avoided doing a lot of back exercises uh because they were doing pull-ups here and there every day. Yeah. And just practicing this movement. You get really good really fast if you practice this way.

All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. Walking. It's one of the best things you could do for your health, bar none. But there's a better way to approach it. Yes, you can just walk, but if you follow the right protocol, it's far more effective. Let's talk about talk about talk about walking. I can't wait to hear your walking protocol. walking protocol. walking protocol. Well, there is. Well, there is a protocol. So, and I'll start with the first thing, right?

Cuz just first off, uh let me start with this. One of the reasons why walking um is such a great form of just activity is because it's low risk of injury. Now some