Palantir CEO on Iran, AI Weapons and America's Advantage | a16z American Dynamism Summit

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God bless America and gentlemen gentlemen gentlemen start your start your start your >> We are the power that actually has the >> We are the power that actually has the >> We are the power that actually has the decisive vote and that is with military decisive vote and that is with military decisive vote and that is with military superiority. If Silicon Valley believes superiority. If Silicon Valley believes superiority. If Silicon Valley believes we are going to take away everyone's we are going to take away everyone's we are going to take away everyone's white collar job, you're the most white collar job, you're the most white collar job, you're the most important [music] thing Palanteer is important [music] thing Palanteer is important [music] thing Palanteer is doing is to make sure that American war doing is to make sure that American war doing is to make sure that American war fighters are much more likely to come fighters are much more likely to come fighters are much more likely to come home. If we are going to outperform the home. If we are going to outperform the home. If we are going to outperform the rest of the world, our single advantage rest of the world, our single advantage rest of the world, our single advantage is Dr. Carp, it is a pleasure to finally Dr. Carp, it is a pleasure to finally have the OG American Dynamism founder on have the OG American Dynamism founder on have the OG American Dynamism founder on stage with us at the 4th annual summit. stage with us at the 4th annual summit. stage with us at the 4th annual summit. Um I think gosh if we had Um I think gosh if we had Um I think gosh if we had >> do this like [laughter] that. >> do this like [laughter] that. >> do this like [laughter] that. >> Yes. Um I think if we had you guys don't >> Yes. Um I think if we had you guys don't >> Yes. Um I think if we had you guys don't get that there's a gang signs. get that there's a gang signs. get that there's a gang signs. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> No, I think we all got the the >> No, I think we all got the the >> No, I think we all got the the reference. Um reference. Um reference. Um >> Maddiey's in the audience. [laughter] He >> Maddiey's in the audience. [laughter] He >> Maddiey's in the audience. [laughter] He doesn't get out much. He's like, "Huh? doesn't get out much. He's like, "Huh? doesn't get out much. He's like, "Huh? What is that? This is going to be a What is that? This is going to be a What is that? This is going to be a great conversation. So, I think uh if we great conversation. So, I think uh if we great conversation. So, I think uh if we had this conversation 72 hours ago, it had this conversation 72 hours ago, it had this conversation 72 hours ago, it would have been very different. Um but would have been very different. Um but would have been very different. Um but of course there's been a lot of news and of course there's been a lot of news and of course there's been a lot of news and so I want to get straight to to the news so I want to get straight to to the news so I want to get straight to to the news and what's [snorts] happening in the and what's [snorts] happening in the and what's [snorts] happening in the world. Um because Palanteer is certainly world. Um because Palanteer is certainly world. Um because Palanteer is certainly um part of that story. So over the um part of that story. So over the um part of that story. So over the weekend uh the US and Israel bombed Iran weekend uh the US and Israel bombed Iran weekend uh the US and Israel bombed Iran and Operation Epic Fury. Ayatollah how and Operation Epic Fury. Ayatollah how and Operation Epic Fury. Ayatollah how many is dead. The Middle East is now at many is dead. The Middle East is now at many is dead. The Middle East is now at war. What do you think the situation war. What do you think the situation war. What do you think the situation means for the future of the West? means for the future of the West? means for the future of the West? Something you talk a lot about and the Something you talk a lot about and the Something you talk a lot about and the future of America. Well, first of all, future of America. Well, first of all, future of America. Well, first of all, I'm delighted to be on stage with you I'm delighted to be on stage with you I'm delighted to be on stage with you and um you know, for many of you in this and um you know, for many of you in this and um you know, for many of you in this audience, by the way, I'm I've been audience, by the way, I'm I've been audience, by the way, I'm I've been talking so much I'm kind of losing my talking so much I'm kind of losing my talking so much I'm kind of losing my voice, but I didn't I I would have voice, but I didn't I I would have voice, but I didn't I I would have probably canceled on anyone but you. But probably canceled on anyone but you. But probably canceled on anyone but you. But >> Oh, that that means a lot. We're glad >> Oh, that that means a lot. We're glad >> Oh, that that means a lot. We're glad you're here. [laughter] you're here. [laughter] you're here. [laughter] >> I love to cancel, by the way, for those >> I love to cancel, by the way, for those >> I love to cancel, by the way, for those of you cuz like it's my favorite thing of you cuz like it's my favorite thing of you cuz like it's my favorite thing cuz I I actually am an introvert. Any cuz I I actually am an introvert. Any cuz I I actually am an introvert. Any excuse to cancel as as Palunteerians excuse to cancel as as Palunteerians excuse to cancel as as Palunteerians know. It's uh Yeah. Um but yeah, you've know. It's uh Yeah. Um but yeah, you've know. It's uh Yeah. Um but yeah, you've been such a force um in public and been such a force um in public and been such a force um in public and behind the scenes for you know I think behind the scenes for you know I think behind the scenes for you know I think helping people in the broadly speaking helping people in the broadly speaking helping people in the broadly speaking defense tech or let America wins or defense tech or let America wins or defense tech or let America wins or things that are good uh broadly defined. things that are good uh broadly defined. things that are good uh broadly defined. Um, and then we also align on something Um, and then we also align on something Um, and then we also align on something we could talk about later on, like the we could talk about later on, like the we could talk about later on, like the importance of not putting our youth in importance of not putting our youth in importance of not putting our youth in straight jackets because they're straight jackets because they're straight jackets because they're divergent neurologically, which is a divergent neurologically, which is a divergent neurologically, which is a passion of of mine and should be a passion of of mine and should be a passion of of mine and should be a passion of everyone's since passion of everyone's since passion of everyone's since >> you could define our wonderful and great >> you could define our wonderful and great >> you could define our wonderful and great country as a country where everyone who country as a country where everyone who country as a country where everyone who was divergent in ideology, thought, was divergent in ideology, thought, was divergent in ideology, thought, religion or quite frankly like uh uh religion or quite frankly like uh uh religion or quite frankly like uh uh neurologically came to this country to neurologically came to this country to neurologically came to this country to have a better place where they could have a better place where they could have a better place where they could express their freedom and had the right express their freedom and had the right express their freedom and had the right to a express what they thought which and to a express what they thought which and to a express what they thought which and there's a deep link between expressing there's a deep link between expressing there's a deep link between expressing what you think publicly and privately what you think publicly and privately what you think publicly and privately first and fourth amendment and being first and fourth amendment and being first and fourth amendment and being able to think it and if that doesn't able to think it and if that doesn't able to think it and if that doesn't work being able to defend it with the work being able to defend it with the work being able to defend it with the second amendment uh and uh the and last second amendment uh and uh the and last second amendment uh and uh the and last not least our our founders founders uh not least our our founders founders uh not least our our founders founders uh uh did not structure these rights the uh did not structure these rights the uh did not structure these rights the way they are in say where I lived for a way they are in say where I lived for a way they are in say where I lived for a lot of my life in Germany as rights lot of my life in Germany as rights lot of my life in Germany as rights granted to us by other bureaucrats. We granted to us by other bureaucrats. We granted to us by other bureaucrats. We they're given to us. They're inaliable they're given to us. They're inaliable they're given to us. They're inaliable from a higher being. from a higher being. from a higher being. >> Uh and uh I would just say before I get >> Uh and uh I would just say before I get >> Uh and uh I would just say before I get into uh how the world's changed, we have into uh how the world's changed, we have into uh how the world's changed, we have American uh war fighters on the American uh war fighters on the American uh war fighters on the battlefield. Uh s willing to sacrifice battlefield. Uh s willing to sacrifice battlefield. Uh s willing to sacrifice their lives. Uh some of whom have their lives. Uh some of whom have their lives. Uh some of whom have sacrificed their lives. They have sacrificed their lives. They have sacrificed their lives. They have families and kids. Kids and families families and kids. Kids and families families and kids. Kids and families don't know if their loved ones are don't know if their loved ones are don't know if their loved ones are coming home. And uh you know we uh I coming home. And uh you know we uh I coming home. And uh you know we uh I know in this room but we should publicly know in this room but we should publicly know in this room but we should publicly privately support them and people who privately support them and people who privately support them and people who are not aware or somehow so effing are not aware or somehow so effing are not aware or somehow so effing spoiled that they don't realize what spoiled that they don't realize what spoiled that they don't realize what these people do for us we should these people do for us we should these people do for us we should publicly humiliate them. Uh and everyone publicly humiliate them. Uh and everyone publicly humiliate them. Uh and everyone has a role in that. uh um and especially has a role in that. uh um and especially has a role in that. uh um and especially those of us who are riding a crest of of those of us who are riding a crest of of those of us who are riding a crest of of of of of intergenerational cultural intellectual intergenerational cultural intellectual intergenerational cultural intellectual courage advantage which it which it is courage advantage which it which it is courage advantage which it which it is to be an American nowadays should not to be an American nowadays should not to be an American nowadays should not obviously should not forget uh the war obviously should not forget uh the war obviously should not forget uh the war fighter who are disproportionately fighter who are disproportionately fighter who are disproportionately uh from uh the middle of our our country uh from uh the middle of our our country uh from uh the middle of our our country and disproportionately have gotten and disproportionately have gotten and disproportionately have gotten screwed screwed screwed Uh and uh you know I'm proud uh very Uh and uh you know I'm proud uh very Uh and uh you know I'm proud uh very proud that at Palunteer proud that at Palunteer proud that at Palunteer uh you know we we get arrows and people uh you know we we get arrows and people uh you know we we get arrows and people I mean half the people attacking us it'd I mean half the people attacking us it'd I mean half the people attacking us it'd be good if they spent two minutes on be good if they spent two minutes on be good if they spent two minutes on Wikipedia at least learning the talking Wikipedia at least learning the talking Wikipedia at least learning the talking points they're regurgitating but uh but points they're regurgitating but uh but points they're regurgitating but uh but um you know there's some legitimate um you know there's some legitimate um you know there's some legitimate criticisms uh of any company but criticisms uh of any company but criticisms uh of any company but at the end of the day the fact is the at the end of the day the fact is the at the end of the day the fact is the most important thing Palanteer is doing most important thing Palanteer is doing most important thing Palanteer is doing than I other people in this room are than I other people in this room are than I other people in this room are doing and people like you and other doing and people like you and other doing and people like you and other people adjacent or ancillary to building people adjacent or ancillary to building people adjacent or ancillary to building uh uh more lethal and deadly weapons is uh uh more lethal and deadly weapons is uh uh more lethal and deadly weapons is to make sure that American war fighters to make sure that American war fighters to make sure that American war fighters uh are much more likely to come home and uh are much more likely to come home and uh are much more likely to come home and quite frankly the people who are trying quite frankly the people who are trying quite frankly the people who are trying to harm them uh know that they won't be to harm them uh know that they won't be to harm them uh know that they won't be coming home and that's the way you stop coming home and that's the way you stop coming home and that's the way you stop people from attacking us in my opinion people from attacking us in my opinion people from attacking us in my opinion and then on the [clears throat] the kind and then on the [clears throat] the kind and then on the [clears throat] the kind of um the leading up to what's going on. of um the leading up to what's going on. of um the leading up to what's going on. But I think the there are probably But I think the there are probably But I think the there are probably people in this room who are wildly people in this room who are wildly people in this room who are wildly supportive uh and there are people who supportive uh and there are people who supportive uh and there are people who aren't. It is hard to deny that America aren't. It is hard to deny that America aren't. It is hard to deny that America is exerting a deterrent capability that is exerting a deterrent capability that is exerting a deterrent capability that was eviscerated. was eviscerated. was eviscerated. you you can like or not like that's you you can like or not like that's you you can like or not like that's different than ignoring we now have a different than ignoring we now have a different than ignoring we now have a deterrent capability that no other deterrent capability that no other deterrent capability that no other country appears to have and that is for country appears to have and that is for country appears to have and that is for for lots of reasons and obviously for lots of reasons and obviously for lots of reasons and obviously uh the war fighter people organized the uh the war fighter people organized the uh the war fighter people organized the war fighter the generals the leadership war fighter the generals the leadership war fighter the generals the leadership the president the president the president but one advantage that often gets but one advantage that often gets but one advantage that often gets overlooked in it for reasons that make overlooked in it for reasons that make overlooked in it for reasons that make no sense is war fighting is technology no sense is war fighting is technology no sense is war fighting is technology ology, you know, I I spent half my life ology, you know, I I spent half my life ology, you know, I I spent half my life in in in Germany for familiar reasons in in in Germany for familiar reasons in in in Germany for familiar reasons and then I wrote my PhD there. It it the and then I wrote my PhD there. It it the and then I wrote my PhD there. It it the and then the rise of America after World and then the rise of America after World and then the rise of America after World War II, the reason America was able to War II, the reason America was able to War II, the reason America was able to win World War II were technological win World War II were technological win World War II were technological advantages. And if you look what advantages. And if you look what advantages. And if you look what happened in, you know, Operation happened in, you know, Operation happened in, you know, Operation Midnight Hammer, what happened in Midnight Hammer, what happened in Midnight Hammer, what happened in Venezuela, what's so far happening uh uh Venezuela, what's so far happening uh uh Venezuela, what's so far happening uh uh in in in Iran, you see one society just in in in Iran, you see one society just in in in Iran, you see one society just totally dominating. That's our society. totally dominating. That's our society. totally dominating. That's our society. Now, you could get into I I would I I'm Now, you could get into I I would I I'm Now, you could get into I I would I I'm always in fights with my intellectual always in fights with my intellectual always in fights with my intellectual friends about they're they're like, "But friends about they're they're like, "But friends about they're they're like, "But wouldn't it be better to have a rule a a wouldn't it be better to have a rule a a wouldn't it be better to have a rule a a law-based system where everyone is law-based system where everyone is law-based system where everyone is equal?" Yeah, sure. in theory, but in equal?" Yeah, sure. in theory, but in equal?" Yeah, sure. in theory, but in this world, it's us or China or Russia. this world, it's us or China or Russia. this world, it's us or China or Russia. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I don't know how you guys feel about >> And I don't know how you guys feel about >> And I don't know how you guys feel about those decisions, but I think we're doing those decisions, but I think we're doing those decisions, but I think we're doing I literally believe we're doing the work I literally believe we're doing the work I literally believe we're doing the work of higher a higher purpose by making of higher a higher purpose by making of higher a higher purpose by making sure and not just for America, but for sure and not just for America, but for sure and not just for America, but for the whole world that we are the power the whole world that we are the power the whole world that we are the power that actually has the decisive vote. And that actually has the decisive vote. And that actually has the decisive vote. And there is only one way to do that and there is only one way to do that and there is only one way to do that and that is with military superiority. And that is with military superiority. And that is with military superiority. And when I say military superiority, I don't when I say military superiority, I don't when I say military superiority, I don't mean that we're arguing on a PowerPoint. mean that we're arguing on a PowerPoint. mean that we're arguing on a PowerPoint. It means but America. So now you get to It means but America. So now you get to It means but America. So now you get to what is technology done? Now again, I what is technology done? Now again, I what is technology done? Now again, I think whenever people like me are think whenever people like me are think whenever people like me are talking about this, it you can't say talking about this, it you can't say talking about this, it you can't say enough that it's the war fighter and enough that it's the war fighter and enough that it's the war fighter and their courage and I'm not doing that. their courage and I'm not doing that. their courage and I'm not doing that. I'm sitting here um and you know and I'm I'm sitting here um and you know and I'm I'm sitting here um and you know and I'm not and we have Palunteerians all over not and we have Palunteerians all over not and we have Palunteerians all over on like I'm talking to them constantly. on like I'm talking to them constantly. on like I'm talking to them constantly. So they're doing they're putting So they're doing they're putting So they're doing they're putting themselves in harm's way and you know um themselves in harm's way and you know um themselves in harm's way and you know um uh I'm I am kind of but not directly. uh I'm I am kind of but not directly. uh I'm I am kind of but not directly. It's mostly all the people who yell at It's mostly all the people who yell at It's mostly all the people who yell at me and I guess maybe there are some me and I guess maybe there are some me and I guess maybe there are some people want to shoot at me but um it the people want to shoot at me but um it the people want to shoot at me but um it the the the if you look at the rise of like the the if you look at the rise of like the the if you look at the rise of like in the in the lifetime of Palunteer in the in the lifetime of Palunteer in the in the lifetime of Palunteer there's been the rise of software which there's been the rise of software which there's been the rise of software which essentially me meant your you know essentially me meant your you know essentially me meant your you know software company that is supplying a software company that is supplying a software company that is supplying a steak dinner that's obviously parasitic steak dinner that's obviously parasitic steak dinner that's obviously parasitic is not cutting it that kind of those is not cutting it that kind of those is not cutting it that kind of those those companies are being eviscerated those companies are being eviscerated those companies are being eviscerated you the rise of defense tech and now you you the rise of defense tech and now you you the rise of defense tech and now you have a hybrid software, hardware, AI have a hybrid software, hardware, AI have a hybrid software, hardware, AI where you really need all three. Um, where you really need all three. Um, where you really need all three. Um, interestingly from an investment interestingly from an investment interestingly from an investment perspective, um, you know, I would say perspective, um, you know, I would say perspective, um, you know, I would say the last company standing before we all the last company standing before we all the last company standing before we all have to salute the overlord of the LLM have to salute the overlord of the LLM have to salute the overlord of the LLM will be Palanteer. But it's mainly will be Palanteer. But it's mainly will be Palanteer. But it's mainly [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> we're going to get into that, I promise. >> we're going to get into that, I promise. >> we're going to get into that, I promise. mainly because um you there it's it's mainly because um you there it's it's mainly because um you there it's it's the specificity of and the security and the specificity of and the security and the specificity of and the security and the orchestration the orchestration the orchestration but none of that has to make any sense but none of that has to make any sense but none of that has to make any sense to anyone in this room. I'll tell you to anyone in this room. I'll tell you to anyone in this room. I'll tell you what it makes a lot of sense to our what it makes a lot of sense to our what it makes a lot of sense to our adversaries right now. How is America adversaries right now. How is America adversaries right now. How is America doing this? Now again it's specialized doing this? Now again it's specialized doing this? Now again it's specialized ways. It's 25 30 years of experience in ways. It's 25 30 years of experience in ways. It's 25 30 years of experience in fighting its meritocracy. The department fighting its meritocracy. The department fighting its meritocracy. The department of war is the most meritocratic of war is the most meritocratic of war is the most meritocratic environment. It integrated in Korea environment. It integrated in Korea environment. It integrated in Korea before our society did. Uh it's it it is before our society did. Uh it's it it is before our society did. Uh it's it it is the most popular institution the most popular institution the most popular institution and most revered institution and and most revered institution and and most revered institution and probably the only institution in America probably the only institution in America probably the only institution in America that is actually revered by the American that is actually revered by the American that is actually revered by the American people across every demographic. And people across every demographic. And people across every demographic. And it's revered by the American people it's revered by the American people it's revered by the American people across every demographic precisely across every demographic precisely across every demographic precisely because it's been meritocratic. If if because it's been meritocratic. If if because it's been meritocratic. If if you were a black American, uh you got you were a black American, uh you got you were a black American, uh you got your break in America by going to the your break in America by going to the your break in America by going to the military. if you wanted to be treated military. if you wanted to be treated military. if you wanted to be treated fairly uh and you were from a group that fairly uh and you were from a group that fairly uh and you were from a group that you felt that every demographic has you felt that every demographic has you felt that every demographic has somebody who is in the military whose somebody who is in the military whose somebody who is in the military whose life was changed and it did something life was changed and it did something life was changed and it did something noble and wonderful for America. They noble and wonderful for America. They noble and wonderful for America. They also have the experience of coming home also have the experience of coming home also have the experience of coming home in America not sticking up for them. We in America not sticking up for them. We in America not sticking up for them. We should change that. Now you get to should change that. Now you get to should change that. Now you get to Silicon Valley. Uh my one message for Silicon Valley. Uh my one message for Silicon Valley. Uh my one message for and again I I don't I'm without getting and again I I don't I'm without getting and again I I don't I'm without getting in specific people or cuz I'm like in specific people or cuz I'm like in specific people or cuz I'm like if Silicon Valley believes we are going if Silicon Valley believes we are going if Silicon Valley believes we are going to take away everyone's white collar job to take away everyone's white collar job to take away everyone's white collar job meaning primarily democratic shaped uh meaning primarily democratic shaped uh meaning primarily democratic shaped uh people whom I grew up with highly people whom I grew up with highly people whom I grew up with highly educated people who went to elite educated people who went to elite educated people who went to elite schools or went to schools that are schools or went to schools that are schools or went to schools that are almost elite who vote for one party and almost elite who vote for one party and almost elite who vote for one party and you're going screwed the military. If you're going screwed the military. If you're going screwed the military. If you don't think that's going to lead to you don't think that's going to lead to you don't think that's going to lead to nationalization of our technology, nationalization of our technology, nationalization of our technology, you're [ __ ] And you might be you're [ __ ] And you might be you're [ __ ] And you might be particularly [ __ ] because you have a particularly [ __ ] because you have a particularly [ __ ] because you have a 160 IQ, but it you this is where that 160 IQ, but it you this is where that 160 IQ, but it you this is where that path is going. path is going. path is going. >> Like you cannot have technologies that >> Like you cannot have technologies that >> Like you cannot have technologies that simultaneously take away everyone's job simultaneously take away everyone's job simultaneously take away everyone's job and then be perceived. Again, there's a and then be perceived. Again, there's a and then be perceived. Again, there's a lot of subtlety here behind behind the lot of subtlety here behind behind the lot of subtlety here behind behind the curtain. I've been heavily involved in curtain. I've been heavily involved in curtain. I've been heavily involved in that subtlety. what can be where it can that subtlety. what can be where it can that subtlety. what can be where it can be deployed what can be deployed there's be deployed what can be deployed there's be deployed what can be deployed there's a difference between US military and a difference between US military and a difference between US military and surveillance and despite what everyone surveillance and despite what everyone surveillance and despite what everyone thinks Palanteer is the thinks Palanteer is the thinks Palanteer is the anti-surveillance company I know your anti-surveillance company I know your anti-surveillance company I know your person online thinks that's not true but person online thinks that's not true but person online thinks that's not true but every technical expert does so I end up every technical expert does so I end up every technical expert does so I end up in every conversation that I don't want in every conversation that I don't want in every conversation that I don't want to be in but the the danger for our to be in but the the danger for our to be in but the the danger for our industry is that America you get a you industry is that America you get a you industry is that America you get a you get a famous horseshoe effect where get a famous horseshoe effect where get a famous horseshoe effect where there's only one thing people agree on there's only one thing people agree on there's only one thing people agree on and that's that this is not paying the and that's that this is not paying the and that's that this is not paying the bills and people and our industry should bills and people and our industry should bills and people and our industry should be nationalized and and so the the the be nationalized and and so the the the be nationalized and and so the the the societal benefit that is going on in societal benefit that is going on in societal benefit that is going on in Iran besides the fact that I think I Iran besides the fact that I think I Iran besides the fact that I think I suspect the Iranian people feel like suspect the Iranian people feel like suspect the Iranian people feel like finally someone's on my side and it finally someone's on my side and it finally someone's on my side and it wasn't the Berkeley faculty that was wasn't the Berkeley faculty that was wasn't the Berkeley faculty that was supposed to like me. Uh [laughter] it supposed to like me. Uh [laughter] it supposed to like me. Uh [laughter] it it's uh um a big lesson for you. Yeah. it's uh um a big lesson for you. Yeah. it's uh um a big lesson for you. Yeah. So um and but then as America we and a So um and but then as America we and a So um and but then as America we and a people who are prominent in the tech people who are prominent in the tech people who are prominent in the tech industry, you know, we have to find a industry, you know, we have to find a industry, you know, we have to find a way to make sure that we're not just way to make sure that we're not just way to make sure that we're not just popular in PaloAlto. popular in PaloAlto. popular in PaloAlto. >> Yeah. I I want to get back to something >> Yeah. I I want to get back to something >> Yeah. I I want to get back to something you just said, which is that, you know, you just said, which is that, you know, you just said, which is that, you know, that it's it's either us winning or that it's it's either us winning or that it's it's either us winning or China winning or Russia winning or China winning or Russia winning or China winning or Russia winning or another country that it's a zero- sum another country that it's a zero- sum another country that it's a zero- sum game. And it feels like the people in game. And it feels like the people in game. And it feels like the people in this room in Washington really this room in Washington really this room in Washington really understand that AI is zero sum, but that understand that AI is zero sum, but that understand that AI is zero sum, but that Silicon Valley doesn't. Silicon Valley Silicon Valley doesn't. Silicon Valley Silicon Valley doesn't. Silicon Valley doesn't like to think in terms of zero doesn't like to think in terms of zero doesn't like to think in terms of zero sum. They like to think that everything sum. They like to think that everything sum. They like to think that everything is a positive sum game. So, how would is a positive sum game. So, how would is a positive sum game. So, how would you explain to the people in Silicon you explain to the people in Silicon you explain to the people in Silicon Valley who are again building the LLMs, Valley who are again building the LLMs, Valley who are again building the LLMs, you know, building um what what they you know, building um what what they you know, building um what what they would say is a brand new net new would say is a brand new net new would say is a brand new net new technology that hasn't existed before technology that hasn't existed before technology that hasn't existed before and therefore it needs to be treated and therefore it needs to be treated and therefore it needs to be treated differently. What would you say to them differently. What would you say to them differently. What would you say to them about this? about this? about this? >> Well, I mean, there's so first of all, >> Well, I mean, there's so first of all, >> Well, I mean, there's so first of all, it's it's um by the way, I just want to it's it's um by the way, I just want to it's it's um by the way, I just want to push back slightly. They do think it's push back slightly. They do think it's push back slightly. They do think it's zero sum. They think it's zero sum zero sum. They think it's zero sum zero sum. They think it's zero sum versus each other. versus each other. versus each other. >> So like they absolutely are fighting. >> So like they absolutely are fighting. >> So like they absolutely are fighting. There will be like you know it's my own There will be like you know it's my own There will be like you know it's my own rhetoric if I happen to think it's true. rhetoric if I happen to think it's true. rhetoric if I happen to think it's true. It's going to be chips ontology and I It's going to be chips ontology and I It's going to be chips ontology and I suspect in the end one one and a half suspect in the end one one and a half suspect in the end one one and a half provider. So they pretend they don't provider. So they pretend they don't provider. So they pretend they don't think it's zero sum but then ask them think it's zero sum but then ask them think it's zero sum but then ask them how they feel about their competitor. So how they feel about their competitor. So how they feel about their competitor. So it's very very I mean these people are it's very very I mean these people are it's very very I mean these people are fighting very very hard for the dominant fighting very very hard for the dominant fighting very very hard for the dominant position. So like what they don't position. So like what they don't position. So like what they don't understand is in the world it's zero understand is in the world it's zero understand is in the world it's zero sum. But I I actually think the primary sum. But I I actually think the primary sum. But I I actually think the primary issue in the valley is it's going to be issue in the valley is it's going to be issue in the valley is it's going to be zero sum visav zero sum visav zero sum visav when America decides that look okay I when America decides that look okay I when America decides that look okay I have I I interact with a lot of have I I interact with a lot of have I I interact with a lot of political figures I have a lot of political figures I have a lot of political figures I have a lot of respect I think in some are when respect I think in some are when respect I think in some are when politicians figure out this is the one politicians figure out this is the one politicians figure out this is the one winning issue it is going to be zero sum winning issue it is going to be zero sum winning issue it is going to be zero sum it's going to be your money and your it's going to be your money and your it's going to be your money and your company being zero sum nationalized so company being zero sum nationalized so company being zero sum nationalized so that's the part they don't understand fe that's the part they don't understand fe that's the part they don't understand fe helping people understand that, you helping people understand that, you helping people understand that, you know, either we set the rules or deacto know, either we set the rules or deacto know, either we set the rules or deacto like I'm I'm much more I'm much more on like I'm I'm much more I'm much more on like I'm I'm much more I'm much more on America should be strong so that we America should be strong so that we America should be strong so that we don't have to worry about the enemies don't have to worry about the enemies don't have to worry about the enemies than our enemies are evil kind of thing. than our enemies are evil kind of thing. than our enemies are evil kind of thing. So I'm not super neocon. It seems to be So I'm not super neocon. It seems to be So I'm not super neocon. It seems to be very hard in this culture as someone very hard in this culture as someone very hard in this culture as someone who's lived abroad a lot of my life. who's lived abroad a lot of my life. who's lived abroad a lot of my life. It's very hard in this culture to It's very hard in this culture to It's very hard in this culture to explain to people that we're in a explain to people that we're in a explain to people that we're in a competitive environment because things competitive environment because things competitive environment because things here are so good. They don't understand here are so good. They don't understand here are so good. They don't understand how different it will be and how much we how different it will be and how much we how different it will be and how much we will change and how much the pressure will change and how much the pressure will change and how much the pressure will be on America, not just legally, will be on America, not just legally, will be on America, not just legally, but militarily and culturally if we fall but militarily and culturally if we fall but militarily and culturally if we fall behind. And I I I one of the things that behind. And I I I one of the things that behind. And I I I one of the things that again it's so I I personally think the again it's so I I personally think the again it's so I I personally think the better way to get people to change is to better way to get people to change is to better way to get people to change is to >> okay it it Go bring people like that to >> okay it it Go bring people like that to >> okay it it Go bring people like that to Iowa. Bring them to DC and explain to Iowa. Bring them to DC and explain to Iowa. Bring them to DC and explain to our American political leadership why our American political leadership why our American political leadership why you make hund00 million and why a you make hund00 million and why a you make hund00 million and why a soldier from Iowa can't explain to his soldier from Iowa can't explain to his soldier from Iowa can't explain to his wife he has the best technology and then wife he has the best technology and then wife he has the best technology and then go across the hall. So let's classically go across the hall. So let's classically go across the hall. So let's classically Republican shaped. Then go across the Republican shaped. Then go across the Republican shaped. Then go across the hall and talk to progressive Democrats hall and talk to progressive Democrats hall and talk to progressive Democrats about how everyone in their constituency about how everyone in their constituency about how everyone in their constituency is not going to have a job. and then is not going to have a job. and then is not going to have a job. and then leave and imagine what's going to happen leave and imagine what's going to happen leave and imagine what's going to happen to you. to you. to you. >> You know the funny thing about those of >> You know the funny thing about those of >> You know the funny thing about those of us who've spent most of our life abroad us who've spent most of our life abroad us who've spent most of our life abroad like in Germany which a phenomenal like in Germany which a phenomenal like in Germany which a phenomenal culture we have a much better sense of culture we have a much better sense of culture we have a much better sense of how fragile this exper experiment is how fragile this exper experiment is how fragile this exper experiment is America it could go wrong America it could go wrong America it could go wrong >> and it will go wrong if if all wealth is >> and it will go wrong if if all wealth is >> and it will go wrong if if all wealth is going to a small number of people and going to a small number of people and going to a small number of people and those people do not appear to be on side those people do not appear to be on side those people do not appear to be on side now that perception might is obviously a now that perception might is obviously a now that perception might is obviously a caricature. It is a caricature in the caricature. It is a caricature in the caricature. It is a caricature in the sense this is new technology and you're sense this is new technology and you're sense this is new technology and you're not going to be able to use the same not going to be able to use the same not going to be able to use the same kind of framework and you're going to kind of framework and you're going to kind of framework and you're going to need people who appreciate how it's need people who appreciate how it's need people who appreciate how it's different and there are real questions different and there are real questions different and there are real questions about fourth amendment protections like about fourth amendment protections like about fourth amendment protections like our right to privacy. What is privacy in our right to privacy. What is privacy in our right to privacy. What is privacy in a world where you could imputee what a world where you could imputee what a world where you could imputee what someone's doing at home through someone's doing at home through someone's doing at home through technology? H how do you protect our technology? H how do you protect our technology? H how do you protect our right to have our own thoughts, our own right to have our own thoughts, our own right to have our own thoughts, our own ideas, our own practices at home, our ideas, our own practices at home, our ideas, our own practices at home, our own health records? that those are real own health records? that those are real own health records? that those are real issues when the technology can also help issues when the technology can also help issues when the technology can also help you to be healthier, live longer, uh you to be healthier, live longer, uh you to be healthier, live longer, uh have a higher economic status have a higher economic status have a higher economic status potentially, certainly if you're a potentially, certainly if you're a potentially, certainly if you're a vocational worker. But so those issues vocational worker. But so those issues vocational worker. But so those issues have to be unpacked. And where Silicon have to be unpacked. And where Silicon have to be unpacked. And where Silicon Valley is right is you you're going to Valley is right is you you're going to Valley is right is you you're going to need a forum to talk about that that need a forum to talk about that that need a forum to talk about that that doesn't pretend, you know, large doesn't pretend, you know, large doesn't pretend, you know, large language models is the same thing as language models is the same thing as language models is the same thing as machine learning is the same thing as machine learning is the same thing as machine learning is the same thing as software is the same thing as a bullet. software is the same thing as a bullet. software is the same thing as a bullet. They're they're not. Yeah. They're they're not. Yeah. They're they're not. Yeah. >> Um but um but but but but de facto I I >> Um but um but but but but de facto I I >> Um but um but but but but de facto I I very much believe u as a critique of the very much believe u as a critique of the very much believe u as a critique of the uh like economic elite especially in in uh like economic elite especially in in uh like economic elite especially in in the technical area there's there's like the technical area there's there's like the technical area there's there's like to use an econom a kind of overly to use an econom a kind of overly to use an econom a kind of overly economic uh a philosophical term they economic uh a philosophical term they economic uh a philosophical term they reify meaning they turn it into a thing reify meaning they turn it into a thing reify meaning they turn it into a thing our rights but those rights you know our rights but those rights you know our rights but those rights you know when I was in Germany I I was there and when I was in Germany I I was there and when I was in Germany I I was there and there were I spent a lot of time I did a there were I spent a lot of time I did a there were I spent a lot of time I did a PhD uh but I you know there were a lot PhD uh but I you know there were a lot PhD uh but I you know there were a lot of older Germans and I I would spend of older Germans and I I would spend of older Germans and I I would spend time with them in the countryside in the time with them in the countryside in the time with them in the countryside in the city of course they they didn't know city of course they they didn't know city of course they they didn't know anybody who was a Nazi in the anybody who was a Nazi in the anybody who was a Nazi in the countryside they're like we were all countryside they're like we were all countryside they're like we were all Nazis so I would ask them but one of the Nazis so I would ask them but one of the Nazis so I would ask them but one of the more fascinating conversations is why more fascinating conversations is why more fascinating conversations is why they became Democrats or not like left they became Democrats or not like left they became Democrats or not like left right but capital D and it was always right but capital D and it was always right but capital D and it was always because it worked and then the unwinding because it worked and then the unwinding because it worked and then the unwinding of it that we don't ask if it unwinds of it that we don't ask if it unwinds of it that we don't ask if it unwinds you know, our it will we will not be you know, our it will we will not be you know, our it will we will not be protected protected protected >> and it it's just the dialogue we have >> and it it's just the dialogue we have >> and it it's just the dialogue we have currently is not acknowledging what's currently is not acknowledging what's currently is not acknowledging what's going to happen politically, what is going to happen politically, what is going to happen politically, what is happening politically. The the wealth happening politically. The the wealth happening politically. The the wealth tax is a derivative of this because tax is a derivative of this because tax is a derivative of this because everyone knows the wealth tax isn't everyone knows the wealth tax isn't everyone knows the wealth tax isn't going to help the poor. It's just going going to help the poor. It's just going going to help the poor. It's just going to [ __ ] the rich and that's enough to to [ __ ] the rich and that's enough to to [ __ ] the rich and that's enough to get it done. M get it done. M get it done. M >> and if if that's happening, just imagine >> and if if that's happening, just imagine >> and if if that's happening, just imagine what's going to happen when it's like what's going to happen when it's like what's going to happen when it's like there's going to be 50 unlikable people there's going to be 50 unlikable people there's going to be 50 unlikable people with all the money. with all the money. with all the money. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Anybody here like that? And you guys are >> Anybody here like that? And you guys are >> Anybody here like that? And you guys are doing well. doing well. doing well. >> No. No. I I I want to get back to to >> No. No. I I I want to get back to to >> No. No. I I I want to get back to to kind of the conversation about how um kind of the conversation about how um kind of the conversation about how um how we ensure that the Department of War how we ensure that the Department of War how we ensure that the Department of War continues to lead on AI because I think continues to lead on AI because I think continues to lead on AI because I think this has been top of mind for everyone this has been top of mind for everyone this has been top of mind for everyone in the room for the last 48 hours. um in the room for the last 48 hours. um in the room for the last 48 hours. um our adversaries are looking at you know our adversaries are looking at you know our adversaries are looking at you know contracting wars um that are playing out contracting wars um that are playing out contracting wars um that are playing out in press releases you know what is your in press releases you know what is your in press releases you know what is your view on how we can ensure that we win view on how we can ensure that we win view on how we can ensure that we win this AI race against the PRC if you if this AI race against the PRC if you if this AI race against the PRC if you if you're giving advice to all the founders you're giving advice to all the founders you're giving advice to all the founders and CEOs of of you know the the the and CEOs of of you know the the the and CEOs of of you know the the the >> first thing part of what I'm doing and >> first thing part of what I'm doing and >> first thing part of what I'm doing and part of the reason I mean besides your part of the reason I mean besides your part of the reason I mean besides your charm and importance part of the reason charm and importance part of the reason charm and importance part of the reason I want to be here is uh I want I want to be here is uh I want I want to be here is uh I want my reputation in the valley every you my reputation in the valley every you my reputation in the valley every you always have reputations my reputation always have reputations my reputation always have reputations my reputation which the rep I'm not even saying the which the rep I'm not even saying the which the rep I'm not even saying the reputation is true. But in my case, like reputation is true. But in my case, like reputation is true. But in my case, like I'm viewed as the batshit crazy guy who I'm viewed as the batshit crazy guy who I'm viewed as the batshit crazy guy who is often telling you something you don't is often telling you something you don't is often telling you something you don't want to hear and you may not like but is want to hear and you may not like but is want to hear and you may not like but is probably right. probably right. probably right. And And And >> that's true. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> So yeah, [laughter] >> So yeah, [laughter] >> So yeah, [laughter] and that's why I want you to send this and that's why I want you to send this and that's why I want you to send this first step. We have to they're not first step. We have to they're not first step. We have to they're not understanding the stakes and what I understanding the stakes and what I understanding the stakes and what I nothing's going to happen till people nothing's going to happen till people nothing's going to happen till people understand the stakes. This will affect understand the stakes. This will affect understand the stakes. This will affect you. Now then the question is like what you. Now then the question is like what you. Now then the question is like what Hollywood did is Hollywood got together Hollywood did is Hollywood got together Hollywood did is Hollywood got together the whole rating system was Hollywood the whole rating system was Hollywood the whole rating system was Hollywood realized if we don't do rating ratings realized if we don't do rating ratings realized if we don't do rating ratings Washington's going to and Washington is Washington's going to and Washington is Washington's going to and Washington is going to butcher it going to butcher it going to butcher it >> and let's even say Washington doesn't >> and let's even say Washington doesn't >> and let's even say Washington doesn't want to butcher it but like it it want to butcher it but like it it want to butcher it but like it it doesn't understand the metier doesn't understand the metier doesn't understand the metier >> so the first step is everybody and I'm >> so the first step is everybody and I'm >> so the first step is everybody and I'm already on the phone with people saying already on the phone with people saying already on the phone with people saying okay great I understand your issue but okay great I understand your issue but okay great I understand your issue but you realize you realize you realize the wolves are at the gate and they the wolves are at the gate and they the wolves are at the gate and they already have tasted blood. already have tasted blood. already have tasted blood. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh the second step is we have to find >> Uh the second step is we have to find >> Uh the second step is we have to find ways where we get together and say okay ways where we get together and say okay ways where we get together and say okay like if you just want to go through the like if you just want to go through the like if you just want to go through the issues yes there are you know using issues yes there are you know using issues yes there are you know using technologies in the context of technologies in the context of technologies in the context of eviscerating eviscerating eviscerating fourth amendment rights in America is a fourth amendment rights in America is a fourth amendment rights in America is a is something left and right in this is something left and right in this is something left and right in this country actually don't want. It's a country actually don't want. It's a country actually don't want. It's a caricature to believe that either side caricature to believe that either side caricature to believe that either side wants it. There are people on the wants it. There are people on the wants it. There are people on the honestly I'm in private rooms. There are honestly I'm in private rooms. There are honestly I'm in private rooms. There are people on the left who don't care about people on the left who don't care about people on the left who don't care about these issues who pretend to do it in p these issues who pretend to do it in p these issues who pretend to do it in p do in public but there are people and do in public but there are people and do in public but there are people and there are people on the right who there are people on the right who there are people on the right who pretend not to care who do care. Both pretend not to care who do care. Both pretend not to care who do care. Both parties have significant coalitions and parties have significant coalitions and parties have significant coalitions and the American people cares care and it's the American people cares care and it's the American people cares care and it's in our constitution. But then you have in our constitution. But then you have in our constitution. But then you have to get be very granular about what's to get be very granular about what's to get be very granular about what's going to happen on the battlefield going to happen on the battlefield going to happen on the battlefield because they're the the two issues because they're the the two issues because they're the the two issues Americans care about are their Americans care about are their Americans care about are their prosperity and their safety. So if the prosperity and their safety. So if the prosperity and their safety. So if the if if the two things that Silicon Valley if if the two things that Silicon Valley if if the two things that Silicon Valley has to figure out is is what are we has to figure out is is what are we has to figure out is is what are we going to how are we going to ethically going to how are we going to ethically going to how are we going to ethically talk about what's going to happen to our talk about what's going to happen to our talk about what's going to happen to our economy in my view you have you could economy in my view you have you could economy in my view you have you could create a lot of prosperity with trade create a lot of prosperity with trade create a lot of prosperity with trade shaped people. Uh, okay. But what is shaped people. Uh, okay. But what is shaped people. Uh, okay. But what is going to happen to the white collar going to happen to the white collar going to happen to the white collar workers? And what are we going to do? workers? And what are we going to do? workers? And what are we going to do? That that's one issue. And then we we're That that's one issue. And then we we're That that's one issue. And then we we're not going to agree, but we have to have not going to agree, but we have to have not going to agree, but we have to have something like a we're going to do these something like a we're going to do these something like a we're going to do these initiatives just like Hollywood did. And initiatives just like Hollywood did. And initiatives just like Hollywood did. And then you're going to have to have a then you're going to have to have a then you're going to have to have a discussion on the battlefield where you discussion on the battlefield where you discussion on the battlefield where you know the rebuttable presumption meaning know the rebuttable presumption meaning know the rebuttable presumption meaning it doesn't happen is that the we are it doesn't happen is that the we are it doesn't happen is that the we are going to do the maximal amount to make going to do the maximal amount to make going to do the maximal amount to make sure our war fighters come home safely. sure our war fighters come home safely. sure our war fighters come home safely. And if you are sitting in Silicon Valley And if you are sitting in Silicon Valley And if you are sitting in Silicon Valley making an argument that somehow would making an argument that somehow would making an argument that somehow would evviscerate that or conversely you're evviscerate that or conversely you're evviscerate that or conversely you're not able to understand what Silicon not able to understand what Silicon not able to understand what Silicon Valley is saying. Meaning there's going Valley is saying. Meaning there's going Valley is saying. Meaning there's going to have to be a medium without going to have to be a medium without going to have to be a medium without going into details on all these breakdowns cuz into details on all these breakdowns cuz into details on all these breakdowns cuz I was in the middle of it and I want to I was in the middle of it and I want to I was in the middle of it and I want to stay in the middle of it. There there stay in the middle of it. There there stay in the middle of it. There there are substantive issues and there are are substantive issues and there are are substantive issues and there are cultural issues. cultural issues. cultural issues. >> If we could get rid of the cultural >> If we could get rid of the cultural >> If we could get rid of the cultural misunderstanding, we could get pretty misunderstanding, we could get pretty misunderstanding, we could get pretty close to agreements here. Yeah. But you close to agreements here. Yeah. But you close to agreements here. Yeah. But you you're dealing with worlds that never you're dealing with worlds that never you're dealing with worlds that never ever ever talk. Yes. ever ever talk. Yes. ever ever talk. Yes. >> And don't have an ability to talk to >> And don't have an ability to talk to >> And don't have an ability to talk to each other. each other. each other. >> Yeah. Well, and you've been building a >> Yeah. Well, and you've been building a >> Yeah. Well, and you've been building a bridge between these cultures for 20 bridge between these cultures for 20 bridge between these cultures for 20 years. I mean, that's what's so years. I mean, that's what's so years. I mean, that's what's so interesting. I mean, that's in some ways interesting. I mean, that's in some ways interesting. I mean, that's in some ways why we have this conference is to bring why we have this conference is to bring why we have this conference is to bring together people who speak two different together people who speak two different together people who speak two different languages, very different value sets, languages, very different value sets, languages, very different value sets, and try to get them aligned. I I'd love and try to get them aligned. I I'd love and try to get them aligned. I I'd love your advice for these founders who maybe your advice for these founders who maybe your advice for these founders who maybe are new. You know, it's sort of like are new. You know, it's sort of like are new. You know, it's sort of like that meme, the first time meme uh with that meme, the first time meme uh with that meme, the first time meme uh with Cohen Brothers film, you know, where Cohen Brothers film, you know, where Cohen Brothers film, you know, where it's like a lot of these people are it's like a lot of these people are it's like a lot of these people are having their first conversations with having their first conversations with having their first conversations with the Department of War or they don't or the Department of War or they don't or the Department of War or they don't or they maybe they don't have any family in they maybe they don't have any family in they maybe they don't have any family in the military, maybe they've met never the military, maybe they've met never the military, maybe they've met never met a war fighter. What is your advice met a war fighter. What is your advice met a war fighter. What is your advice to some of these CEOs who are maybe new to some of these CEOs who are maybe new to some of these CEOs who are maybe new to these conversations that you've been to these conversations that you've been to these conversations that you've been having for for 20 years now? having for for 20 years now? having for for 20 years now? >> Well, the best thing you could do is go >> Well, the best thing you could do is go >> Well, the best thing you could do is go to Iowa or go to a base and have a like to Iowa or go to a base and have a like to Iowa or go to a base and have a like I don't think look put this way um maybe I don't think look put this way um maybe I don't think look put this way um maybe the first time the first time the first time It's probably not PG, but you know, I'm It's probably not PG, but you know, I'm It's probably not PG, but you know, I'm happily not married, not divorced, so happily not married, not divorced, so happily not married, not divorced, so don't follow how I live. But you don't don't follow how I live. But you don't don't follow how I live. But you don't have to. Maybe if you're going to meet have to. Maybe if you're going to meet have to. Maybe if you're going to meet somebody, you really want to oppress it. somebody, you really want to oppress it. somebody, you really want to oppress it. Maybe not. Maybe you have an advantage Maybe not. Maybe you have an advantage Maybe not. Maybe you have an advantage if it's your third girlfriend or if it's your third girlfriend or if it's your third girlfriend or boyfriend, not your first. Like, go have boyfriend, not your first. Like, go have boyfriend, not your first. Like, go have a conversation with somebody. Like if a conversation with somebody. Like if a conversation with somebody. Like if you're going to meet a general or you're going to meet a general or you're going to meet a general or somebody like that and you've never somebody like that and you've never somebody like that and you've never talked to somebody who's actually done talked to somebody who's actually done talked to somebody who's actually done something on the battlefield or someone something on the battlefield or someone something on the battlefield or someone who has family who's done something on who has family who's done something on who has family who's done something on the battlefield and you don't have any the battlefield and you don't have any the battlefield and you don't have any and because of that you don't have an and because of that you don't have an and because of that you don't have an ability to empathize with their ability to empathize with their ability to empathize with their perspective perspective perspective that's probably a huge mistake. that's probably a huge mistake. that's probably a huge mistake. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I that's probably going to backfire. >> And I that's probably going to backfire. >> And I that's probably going to backfire. Last secondly though you have to be Last secondly though you have to be Last secondly though you have to be honest aware about where your aptitude honest aware about where your aptitude honest aware about where your aptitude is. Mhm. is. Mhm. is. Mhm. >> Like you know um Silicon Valley tech >> Like you know um Silicon Valley tech >> Like you know um Silicon Valley tech builders broadly defined hardware, builders broadly defined hardware, builders broadly defined hardware, software, AI. I would say we build in software, AI. I would say we build in software, AI. I would say we build in the military context uh essentially uh the military context uh essentially uh the military context uh essentially uh software scaffolding much more like in a software scaffolding much more like in a software scaffolding much more like in a weird way more more like hardware weird way more more like hardware weird way more more like hardware software but it's in software uh software but it's in software uh software but it's in software uh managing LLMs. Um uh it it is the single managing LLMs. Um uh it it is the single managing LLMs. Um uh it it is the single biggest mistake people make in this area biggest mistake people make in this area biggest mistake people make in this area is because they're intelligent in one is because they're intelligent in one is because they're intelligent in one area, they assume they're intelligent in area, they assume they're intelligent in area, they assume they're intelligent in all areas. And a big failure mechanism all areas. And a big failure mechanism all areas. And a big failure mechanism in the valley is every valley person is in the valley is every valley person is in the valley is every valley person is forced to present as if they're the forced to present as if they're the forced to present as if they're the smartest in all areas at all times. smartest in all areas at all times. smartest in all areas at all times. >> And that's like if you don't know who >> And that's like if you don't know who >> And that's like if you don't know who the mark is, you're the mark. the mark is, you're the mark. the mark is, you're the mark. >> Yeah. Like if you think you're the >> Yeah. Like if you think you're the >> Yeah. Like if you think you're the smartest. So I I'm dyslexic and I think smartest. So I I'm dyslexic and I think smartest. So I I'm dyslexic and I think one of the reasons I've done so well is one of the reasons I've done so well is one of the reasons I've done so well is I do think I'm one of the better people I do think I'm one of the better people I do think I'm one of the better people at certain things. At least I believe it at certain things. At least I believe it at certain things. At least I believe it and I know I'm not at everything. It's a and I know I'm not at everything. It's a and I know I'm not at everything. It's a very small it's like but a failure mode very small it's like but a failure mode very small it's like but a failure mode for the valley is I'm the smartest on for the valley is I'm the smartest on for the valley is I'm the smartest on every issue. I for example I need to be every issue. I for example I need to be every issue. I for example I need to be the person negotiating this contract. the person negotiating this contract. the person negotiating this contract. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> What if you have no aptitude for that? >> What if you have no aptitude for that? >> What if you have no aptitude for that? Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> Just because you can do X does not mean >> Just because you can do X does not mean >> Just because you can do X does not mean you've imputed high aptitude at Y. In you've imputed high aptitude at Y. In you've imputed high aptitude at Y. In fact, it's very unlikely it's true. fact, it's very unlikely it's true. fact, it's very unlikely it's true. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's it's almost certain that you're >> It's it's almost certain that you're >> It's it's almost certain that you're just not smart enough to realize how bad just not smart enough to realize how bad just not smart enough to realize how bad you are. you are. you are. >> That's probably one of the most >> That's probably one of the most >> That's probably one of the most important lessons for for company important lessons for for company important lessons for for company builders in the room. I actually I I builders in the room. I actually I I builders in the room. I actually I I want to um end the conversation on want to um end the conversation on want to um end the conversation on Palunteer is the OG American Dynamism Palunteer is the OG American Dynamism Palunteer is the OG American Dynamism company. Um I think a lot of our company. Um I think a lot of our company. Um I think a lot of our founders in this room are indebted. founders in this room are indebted. founders in this room are indebted. They've worked for you. They've um you They've worked for you. They've um you They've worked for you. They've um you know built their playbooks inside of know built their playbooks inside of know built their playbooks inside of Palunteer. They've built new companies Palunteer. They've built new companies Palunteer. They've built new companies that, you know, are are epic in their that, you know, are are epic in their that, you know, are are epic in their own right, but they started at Palanteer own right, but they started at Palanteer own right, but they started at Palanteer in many cases. And so I want to dive in many cases. And so I want to dive in many cases. And so I want to dive into you. You brought up the neurode into you. You brought up the neurode into you. You brought up the neurode divergent fellowship. It's one of my divergent fellowship. It's one of my divergent fellowship. It's one of my favorite things you've ever done. You've favorite things you've ever done. You've favorite things you've ever done. You've done a lot of great things, but I think done a lot of great things, but I think done a lot of great things, but I think it's it's one of the most extraordinary it's it's one of the most extraordinary it's it's one of the most extraordinary um stands that you've taken in the um stands that you've taken in the um stands that you've taken in the company, but you've always looked for company, but you've always looked for company, but you've always looked for people who are different and somehow people who are different and somehow people who are different and somehow cultivated them and brought together cultivated them and brought together cultivated them and brought together people who are Democrats, Republicans, people who are Democrats, Republicans, people who are Democrats, Republicans, on the right, on the left, people who on the right, on the left, people who on the right, on the left, people who are of all walks of life. How do you are of all walks of life. How do you are of all walks of life. How do you lead such a diverse group of people lead such a diverse group of people lead such a diverse group of people especially at scale like at the scale especially at scale like at the scale especially at scale like at the scale you are? you are? you are? >> Well, I mean it's always hard to know >> Well, I mean it's always hard to know >> Well, I mean it's always hard to know when you're re like I I I view myself as when you're re like I I I view myself as when you're re like I I I view myself as an artist. So, you're really, it's like, an artist. So, you're really, it's like, an artist. So, you're really, it's like, well, how do you create the art? And well, how do you create the art? And well, how do you create the art? And it's funny because I I mean, I look, I I it's funny because I I mean, I look, I I it's funny because I I mean, I look, I I like the freedom money gives me, and I I like the freedom money gives me, and I I like the freedom money gives me, and I I certainly don't want to like do some certainly don't want to like do some certainly don't want to like do some [ __ ] philanthropy to prove that I'm [ __ ] philanthropy to prove that I'm [ __ ] philanthropy to prove that I'm good when because I did something bad good when because I did something bad good when because I did something bad because I think what we do is very because I think what we do is very because I think what we do is very important. Um, but it's like at the end important. Um, but it's like at the end important. Um, but it's like at the end of the day, it's like an artistic thing. of the day, it's like an artistic thing. of the day, it's like an artistic thing. But, you know, I had it's always But, you know, I had it's always But, you know, I had it's always helpful. I had my parents are among the helpful. I had my parents are among the helpful. I had my parents are among the most talented people I've ever met and I most talented people I've ever met and I most talented people I've ever met and I feel they don't agree with me that you feel they don't agree with me that you feel they don't agree with me that you know like they should have they could know like they should have they could know like they should have they could like it's kind of weird I'm so famous like it's kind of weird I'm so famous like it's kind of weird I'm so famous put it that way from and uh um I uh um put it that way from and uh um I uh um put it that way from and uh um I uh um uh I I and I then there's the American uh I I and I then there's the American uh I I and I then there's the American thing where we are I really believe in thing where we are I really believe in thing where we are I really believe in the magical the magical the magical liberating, inalienable right for all of liberating, inalienable right for all of liberating, inalienable right for all of us to be individuals. And that's what I us to be individuals. And that's what I us to be individuals. And that's what I see as particularly moral and special in see as particularly moral and special in see as particularly moral and special in the world. I don't like these things the world. I don't like these things the world. I don't like these things that like I I've been famously that like I I've been famously that like I I've been famously anti-woke, but in the thing I find anti-woke, but in the thing I find anti-woke, but in the thing I find offensive about it is actually that it's offensive about it is actually that it's offensive about it is actually that it's people pretending to be different while people pretending to be different while people pretending to be different while all being the same. And so I don't like all being the same. And so I don't like all being the same. And so I don't like uh so I tend to gravitate towards people uh so I tend to gravitate towards people uh so I tend to gravitate towards people who are unique and yeah, I don't really who are unique and yeah, I don't really who are unique and yeah, I don't really care. their politics. I care about like care. their politics. I care about like care. their politics. I care about like their ability to think and do. Um there their ability to think and do. Um there their ability to think and do. Um there is an aptitude thing where can you is an aptitude thing where can you is an aptitude thing where can you recognize somebody who is truly unique recognize somebody who is truly unique recognize somebody who is truly unique in something you've not done yourself is in something you've not done yourself is in something you've not done yourself is just something you're born with. Um I I just something you're born with. Um I I just something you're born with. Um I I do think it's a form of neurode do think it's a form of neurode do think it's a form of neurode divergence like outlier IQ is a the divergence like outlier IQ is a the divergence like outlier IQ is a the certain way it's not that different than certain way it's not that different than certain way it's not that different than being autistic. like you just can't being autistic. like you just can't being autistic. like you just can't you're not going to you're not going to you're not going to you're not going to you're not going to you're not going to decomp a problem the way somebody who is decomp a problem the way somebody who is decomp a problem the way somebody who is all just normal smart will. all just normal smart will. all just normal smart will. >> Um and I find that very very >> Um and I find that very very >> Um and I find that very very charismatic. The trick to doing it is charismatic. The trick to doing it is charismatic. The trick to doing it is you have to it's this very hard thing you have to it's this very hard thing you have to it's this very hard thing where somebody who is the best I I where somebody who is the best I I where somebody who is the best I I believe the palunteerians believe the palunteerians believe the palunteerians while managed a palunteer and sometimes while managed a palunteer and sometimes while managed a palunteer and sometimes in many and most cases presumably after in many and most cases presumably after in many and most cases presumably after a palunteer I am helping them to express a palunteer I am helping them to express a palunteer I am helping them to express something that only they can do at that something that only they can do at that something that only they can do at that moment and if you look at our products moment and if you look at our products moment and if you look at our products and what we've done it is actually true and what we've done it is actually true and what we've done it is actually true even what we're doing in in like right even what we're doing in in like right even what we're doing in in like right now all across the Middle East and now all across the Middle East and now all across the Middle East and obviously ly in America, each single obviously ly in America, each single obviously ly in America, each single product at each single part was built by product at each single part was built by product at each single part was built by the one person in the world that could the one person in the world that could the one person in the world that could have done it. But that and then I have have done it. But that and then I have have done it. But that and then I have to somehow get them to do things that to somehow get them to do things that to somehow get them to do things that they don't actually think are valuable they don't actually think are valuable they don't actually think are valuable but on their terms. And that's basically but on their terms. And that's basically but on their terms. And that's basically my job because at that level of my job because at that level of my job because at that level of aptitude, you can't just say do this aptitude, you can't just say do this aptitude, you can't just say do this idiot because they're like why would I idiot because they're like why would I idiot because they're like why would I do that? You're the idiot. Uh and so um do that? You're the idiot. Uh and so um do that? You're the idiot. Uh and so um and and then what I think is very and and then what I think is very and and then what I think is very special about the Palunteerians, special about the Palunteerians, special about the Palunteerians, ex-punteerians and current Palunteerians ex-punteerians and current Palunteerians ex-punteerians and current Palunteerians is when you're at Palunteer, you're not is when you're at Palunteer, you're not is when you're at Palunteer, you're not learning to to actually follow my learning to to actually follow my learning to to actually follow my playbook. playbook. playbook. >> You're learning to follow your playbook >> You're learning to follow your playbook >> You're learning to follow your playbook where I'm inserting some things that may where I'm inserting some things that may where I'm inserting some things that may not have occurred to you. Maybe you not have occurred to you. Maybe you not have occurred to you. Maybe you don't know I'm doing that to make sure don't know I'm doing that to make sure don't know I'm doing that to make sure that your playbook gets rid of your that your playbook gets rid of your that your playbook gets rid of your dyslexia. Basically, I'm dyslexia. Basically, I'm dyslexia. Basically, I'm anti-dislexifying anti-dislexifying anti-dislexifying your playbook. your playbook. your playbook. >> It but around you. And if you take like >> It but around you. And if you take like >> It but around you. And if you take like the I don't know, there's so many really the I don't know, there's so many really the I don't know, there's so many really important expentiterians. What you'll important expentiterians. What you'll important expentiterians. What you'll see is they're a kind of classic people see is they're a kind of classic people see is they're a kind of classic people and they're not going to build the same and they're not going to build the same and they're not going to build the same company Palanteer was. They're also not company Palanteer was. They're also not company Palanteer was. They're also not going to build the same company of the going to build the same company of the going to build the same company of the next person as Palanteer. And that's why next person as Palanteer. And that's why next person as Palanteer. And that's why they play such a disproportional role. they play such a disproportional role. they play such a disproportional role. And at the end of the day, that's why And at the end of the day, that's why And at the end of the day, that's why Poundier is like playing such a big role Poundier is like playing such a big role Poundier is like playing such a big role because like Foundry, PG, Apollo, because like Foundry, PG, Apollo, because like Foundry, PG, Apollo, Ontology, uh the management of Ontology, Ontology, uh the management of Ontology, Ontology, uh the management of Ontology, Maven, which is like you know, we've Maven, which is like you know, we've Maven, which is like you know, we've just like been able to target in a way just like been able to target in a way just like been able to target in a way no other country can. It's like the no other country can. It's like the no other country can. It's like the other countries are like what the other countries are like what the other countries are like what the happened here like we were thinking happened here like we were thinking happened here like we were thinking Afghanistan like what is this? meaning Afghanistan like what is this? meaning Afghanistan like what is this? meaning our retreat like meaning and like like our retreat like meaning and like like our retreat like meaning and like like America has reestablished a terrence. America has reestablished a terrence. America has reestablished a terrence. >> That actually just happened. It's >> That actually just happened. It's >> That actually just happened. It's happened in the last year. happened in the last year. happened in the last year. >> Like that right, left, center, I don't >> Like that right, left, center, I don't >> Like that right, left, center, I don't care what party you're in in private. care what party you're in in private. care what party you're in in private. Obviously, you can't say this in public. Obviously, you can't say this in public. Obviously, you can't say this in public. In private, that is a phenomenal asset In private, that is a phenomenal asset In private, that is a phenomenal asset that America now has that it did not that America now has that it did not that America now has that it did not have. And there are lots of reasons for have. And there are lots of reasons for have. And there are lots of reasons for it, but a one maybe not the most it, but a one maybe not the most it, but a one maybe not the most important is a concatenation of the most important is a concatenation of the most important is a concatenation of the most unusual in some cases otherwise maybe unusual in some cases otherwise maybe unusual in some cases otherwise maybe not fully functional talent built around not fully functional talent built around not fully functional talent built around building something that was a absolutely building something that was a absolutely building something that was a absolutely scandalous unpopular dream rejected by scandalous unpopular dream rejected by scandalous unpopular dream rejected by many people called Maven. many people called Maven. many people called Maven. And that's how this country and by the And that's how this country and by the And that's how this country and by the way if we are going to outperform the way if we are going to outperform the way if we are going to outperform the rest of the world uh our single rest of the world uh our single rest of the world uh our single advantage is to augment neurodeivergent advantage is to augment neurodeivergent advantage is to augment neurodeivergent highly individual people to be their highly individual people to be their highly individual people to be their absolutely unique best and protect their absolutely unique best and protect their absolutely unique best and protect their first second fourth and fifth amendment first second fourth and fifth amendment first second fourth and fifth amendment rights so that they don't get screwed. rights so that they don't get screwed. rights so that they don't get screwed. >> Absolutely. Well, again, the OG American >> Absolutely. Well, again, the OG American >> Absolutely. Well, again, the OG American Dynamism founder, thank you so much for Dynamism founder, thank you so much for Dynamism founder, thank you so much for all you've done for the country. all you've done for the country. all you've done for the country. >> Thank you.