Massive New Strikes In Tehran, Dirty Moves By Anthropic, & Pelosi's Crazy "No" Vote

one. one. >> Good morning everybody. Welcome to >> Good morning everybody. Welcome to >> Good morning everybody. Welcome to another episode of the Tom Billy Show another episode of the Tom Billy Show another episode of the Tom Billy Show live. It has been wild here behind the live. It has been wild here behind the live. It has been wild here behind the scenes this morning and uh I hope you scenes this morning and uh I hope you scenes this morning and uh I hope you guys enjoy some of the energy you are guys enjoy some of the energy you are guys enjoy some of the energy you are undoubtedly going to get today. Uh undoubtedly going to get today. Uh undoubtedly going to get today. Uh unfortunately there have been massive unfortunately there have been massive unfortunately there have been massive new strikes in Tyrron that began last new strikes in Tyrron that began last new strikes in Tyrron that began last night. Uh is a victory even possible at night. Uh is a victory even possible at night. Uh is a victory even possible at this point? We're going to talk about this point? We're going to talk about this point? We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about Trump's that. We're going to talk about Trump's that. We're going to talk about Trump's new doctrine uh which came straight from new doctrine uh which came straight from new doctrine uh which came straight from Rubio's mouth. You guys are going to Rubio's mouth. You guys are going to Rubio's mouth. You guys are going to want to hear that. It is insane. Um, I want to hear that. It is insane. Um, I want to hear that. It is insane. Um, I want to know if we're just digging a want to know if we're just digging a want to know if we're just digging a deeper hole in Iran. That becomes the deeper hole in Iran. That becomes the deeper hole in Iran. That becomes the big question for me. We'll talk about big question for me. We'll talk about big question for me. We'll talk about that from an economic angle, from just that from an economic angle, from just that from an economic angle, from just can we win the war angle. Uh, all that can we win the war angle. Uh, all that can we win the war angle. Uh, all that and more. All right. What are the real and more. All right. What are the real and more. All right. What are the real motives behind Anthropic's recent dirty motives behind Anthropic's recent dirty motives behind Anthropic's recent dirty moves? We're going to be talking about moves? We're going to be talking about moves? We're going to be talking about why AISAR David Saxs is sounding off uh why AISAR David Saxs is sounding off uh why AISAR David Saxs is sounding off uh and calling foul. Speaking of calling and calling foul. Speaking of calling and calling foul. 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All right, turning our attention to what's going on in Iran. This is to what's going on in Iran. This is to what's going on in Iran. This is really getting pretty wild. So, you've really getting pretty wild. So, you've really getting pretty wild. So, you've got the I'm sure all of you guys have got the I'm sure all of you guys have got the I'm sure all of you guys have heard the idea of an eye for an eye, but heard the idea of an eye for an eye, but heard the idea of an eye for an eye, but have you heard the latest coming out of have you heard the latest coming out of have you heard the latest coming out of Trump, which is that Trump is not Trump, which is that Trump is not Trump, which is that Trump is not running an eye for eye policy? Forget running an eye for eye policy? Forget running an eye for eye policy? Forget that. We are running a head for an eye. that. We are running a head for an eye. that. We are running a head for an eye. If you don't believe me, let's hear our If you don't believe me, let's hear our If you don't believe me, let's hear our man Marco Rubio say it himself. man Marco Rubio say it himself. man Marco Rubio say it himself. >> In the power, just want some >> In the power, just want some >> In the power, just want some clarification. Do you rule out striking clarification. Do you rule out striking clarification. Do you rule out striking civilian infrastru I think I saw, you civilian infrastru I think I saw, you civilian infrastru I think I saw, you know, guys, I saw Arachi, their foreign know, guys, I saw Arachi, their foreign know, guys, I saw Arachi, their foreign minister who who the other day say or minister who who the other day say or minister who who the other day say or something about their policies, an eye something about their policies, an eye something about their policies, an eye for an eye. for an eye. for an eye. >> The president's policy is a head for an >> The president's policy is a head for an >> The president's policy is a head for an eye. I mean, honestly, that's what it's eye. I mean, honestly, that's what it's eye. I mean, honestly, that's what it's going to be. I mean, they will pay a going to be. I mean, they will pay a going to be. I mean, they will pay a very heavy price for the things they're very heavy price for the things they're very heavy price for the things they're doing. They're already paying a very doing. They're already paying a very doing. They're already paying a very heavy price. You guys don't know it cuz heavy price. You guys don't know it cuz heavy price. You guys don't know it cuz you don't cover it. You're not in Iran. you don't cover it. You're not in Iran. you don't cover it. You're not in Iran. You're not in the street. They don't You're not in the street. They don't You're not in the street. They don't have a free media. But they're going to have a free media. But they're going to have a free media. But they're going to continue to pay a very heavy price. continue to pay a very heavy price. continue to pay a very heavy price. Their industrial base has been Their industrial base has been Their industrial base has been decimated. Their defense industrial base decimated. Their defense industrial base decimated. Their defense industrial base has been decimated. They're losing has been decimated. They're losing has been decimated. They're losing launchers. They're losing radars every launchers. They're losing radars every launchers. They're losing radars every single night. They are suffering single night. They are suffering single night. They are suffering billions of dollars in damage. And their billions of dollars in damage. And their billions of dollars in damage. And their economy is a disaster. But despite all economy is a disaster. But despite all economy is a disaster. But despite all that, okay, these people who are calling that, okay, these people who are calling that, okay, these people who are calling us every day begging, let's do a deal. us every day begging, let's do a deal. us every day begging, let's do a deal. They send us messages through other They send us messages through other They send us messages through other countries, third countries. I mean, countries, third countries. I mean, countries, third countries. I mean, they're running out of countries to they're running out of countries to they're running out of countries to send. Even I had countries here coming send. Even I had countries here coming send. Even I had countries here coming up to me, oh I just spoke to the up to me, oh I just spoke to the up to me, oh I just spoke to the Iranians. They want to do a deal. The Iranians. They want to do a deal. The Iranians. They want to do a deal. The problem is every time these people do a problem is every time these people do a problem is every time these people do a deal, they either break it or after they deal, they either break it or after they deal, they either break it or after they make it, they want to change the deal. make it, they want to change the deal. make it, they want to change the deal. So they're probably not ready to do a So they're probably not ready to do a So they're probably not ready to do a deal yet, but they will be soon because deal yet, but they will be soon because deal yet, but they will be soon because the price is very the price is very the price is very >> Why exactly do they think that they're >> Why exactly do they think that they're >> Why exactly do they think that they're going to be ready for a deal? Because going to be ready for a deal? Because going to be ready for a deal? Because we've had 13 straight nights of American we've had 13 straight nights of American we've had 13 straight nights of American strikes on Iran. Sentcom says that the strikes on Iran. Sentcom says that the strikes on Iran. Sentcom says that the campaign is aimed at stopping attacks on campaign is aimed at stopping attacks on campaign is aimed at stopping attacks on shipping around the street of Hormuz. Uh shipping around the street of Hormuz. Uh shipping around the street of Hormuz. Uh but what does that mean exactly? Well, but what does that mean exactly? Well, but what does that mean exactly? Well, it means that they're going to continue it means that they're going to continue it means that they're going to continue to escalate. They've said over and over to escalate. They've said over and over to escalate. They've said over and over that each night things are going to keep that each night things are going to keep that each night things are going to keep getting worse until these guys finally getting worse until these guys finally getting worse until these guys finally acquies. Uh they want to make sure that acquies. Uh they want to make sure that acquies. Uh they want to make sure that the strait is open. Uh they're saying the strait is open. Uh they're saying the strait is open. Uh they're saying that it's open right now, even though that it's open right now, even though that it's open right now, even though that there are actually only a few ships that there are actually only a few ships that there are actually only a few ships that are willing to risk the passage. that are willing to risk the passage. that are willing to risk the passage. And in the last 36 hours on the ground And in the last 36 hours on the ground And in the last 36 hours on the ground in Iran, uh we've seen them sending in Iran, uh we've seen them sending in Iran, uh we've seen them sending kamicazi drones into our own bases, uh kamicazi drones into our own bases, uh kamicazi drones into our own bases, uh hitting things all across the region. hitting things all across the region. hitting things all across the region. They're now claiming that they're taking They're now claiming that they're taking They're now claiming that they're taking out our THAD radar, our Patriot systems, out our THAD radar, our Patriot systems, out our THAD radar, our Patriot systems, uh the CRAMM in Jordan. Jordan says it uh the CRAMM in Jordan. Jordan says it uh the CRAMM in Jordan. Jordan says it shot down four missiles and six drones shot down four missiles and six drones shot down four missiles and six drones in 24 hours coming from Iran. Iran is in 24 hours coming from Iran. Iran is in 24 hours coming from Iran. Iran is now really um getting into some very now really um getting into some very now really um getting into some very aggressive language and they're letting aggressive language and they're letting aggressive language and they're letting everybody know if you are an ally of the everybody know if you are an ally of the everybody know if you are an ally of the US, we are going to come after you. up US, we are going to come after you. up US, we are going to come after you. up to and including bases on UK soil. Not to and including bases on UK soil. Not to and including bases on UK soil. Not UK soil in the region, UK soil as in UK. UK soil in the region, UK soil as in UK. UK soil in the region, UK soil as in UK. Uh and they're telling them that if Uh and they're telling them that if Uh and they're telling them that if you're allowing US military planes to you're allowing US military planes to you're allowing US military planes to take off from your bases that your bases take off from your bases that your bases take off from your bases that your bases are now military targets. They're going are now military targets. They're going are now military targets. They're going to come after you. They also put out a to come after you. They also put out a to come after you. They also put out a warning to um all the regions. Hey, just warning to um all the regions. Hey, just warning to um all the regions. Hey, just so you know, civilians um we are going so you know, civilians um we are going so you know, civilians um we are going to target US troops that are in secret to target US troops that are in secret to target US troops that are in secret locations. So, how the hell would the locations. So, how the hell would the locations. So, how the hell would the people know that the troops are staying people know that the troops are staying people know that the troops are staying there? Cuz the Iranians are saying, there? Cuz the Iranians are saying, there? Cuz the Iranians are saying, "We've been hitting the bases." So, the "We've been hitting the bases." So, the "We've been hitting the bases." So, the US has moved their troops off of those US has moved their troops off of those US has moved their troops off of those bases and they're putting them out into bases and they're putting them out into bases and they're putting them out into just the public into hotels and places just the public into hotels and places just the public into hotels and places for them to stay. They're trying to do for them to stay. They're trying to do for them to stay. They're trying to do it low-key. The Iranian officials have it low-key. The Iranian officials have it low-key. The Iranian officials have asked for people to send in to an IRGC asked for people to send in to an IRGC asked for people to send in to an IRGC uh either Telegram group or uh signal uh either Telegram group or uh signal uh either Telegram group or uh signal group. I can't remember which one, but group. I can't remember which one, but group. I can't remember which one, but one of those saying, "Hey, report. If one of those saying, "Hey, report. If one of those saying, "Hey, report. If you see American troops, let us know uh you see American troops, let us know uh you see American troops, let us know uh so that we can target those facilities." so that we can target those facilities." so that we can target those facilities." So, that is going to get wild. If they So, that is going to get wild. If they So, that is going to get wild. If they are um intentionally going to try to are um intentionally going to try to are um intentionally going to try to maximize casualties of US troops, no maximize casualties of US troops, no maximize casualties of US troops, no matter where they are at, and Trump is matter where they are at, and Trump is matter where they are at, and Trump is running a head for an eye strategy, running a head for an eye strategy, running a head for an eye strategy, things are going to get way worse before things are going to get way worse before things are going to get way worse before they get better. And so, what started they get better. And so, what started they get better. And so, what started out as a hey, we're just going to drop a out as a hey, we're just going to drop a out as a hey, we're just going to drop a couple bombs. It's going to be all good. couple bombs. It's going to be all good. couple bombs. It's going to be all good. that we're going to take out their that we're going to take out their that we're going to take out their nuclear ambitions. Uh we'll be able to nuclear ambitions. Uh we'll be able to nuclear ambitions. Uh we'll be able to prosecute this from the air. It's only prosecute this from the air. It's only prosecute this from the air. It's only going to take what do you say 3 to four going to take what do you say 3 to four going to take what do you say 3 to four weeks in the beginning. We're now in weeks in the beginning. We're now in weeks in the beginning. We're now in whatever month eight. Um this is turning whatever month eight. Um this is turning whatever month eight. Um this is turning into a quagmire. So it is going to be into a quagmire. So it is going to be into a quagmire. So it is going to be very interesting to see if we're able to very interesting to see if we're able to very interesting to see if we're able to actually inflict enough damage on them actually inflict enough damage on them actually inflict enough damage on them before we run out of munitions or not. before we run out of munitions or not. before we run out of munitions or not. Now, nobody knows exactly how many Now, nobody knows exactly how many Now, nobody knows exactly how many munitions the US has, but there are munitions the US has, but there are munitions the US has, but there are plenty of rumors flying around. uh some plenty of rumors flying around. uh some plenty of rumors flying around. uh some of them being put out by Iran of them being put out by Iran of them being put out by Iran themselves, saying, "Listen, the reason themselves, saying, "Listen, the reason themselves, saying, "Listen, the reason that these guys have now switched over that these guys have now switched over that these guys have now switched over to their B1 bombers that they're sending to their B1 bombers that they're sending to their B1 bombers that they're sending out of the UK, which is making the UK a out of the UK, which is making the UK a out of the UK, which is making the UK a legitimate military target." The reason legitimate military target." The reason legitimate military target." The reason they're doing that is they've run out of they're doing that is they've run out of they're doing that is they've run out of the missiles that they can launch from the missiles that they can launch from the missiles that they can launch from their ships. So, they were doing cruise their ships. So, they were doing cruise their ships. So, they were doing cruise missiles off of ships. We were missiles off of ships. We were missiles off of ships. We were therefore, you know, just attacking therefore, you know, just attacking therefore, you know, just attacking military bases, but now that's not what military bases, but now that's not what military bases, but now that's not what they're doing. And they are switching they're doing. And they are switching they're doing. And they are switching because they're running out of because they're running out of because they're running out of munitions. So, I would like to remind munitions. So, I would like to remind munitions. So, I would like to remind everybody in the Trump administration, I everybody in the Trump administration, I everybody in the Trump administration, I get that any of us that are old enough get that any of us that are old enough get that any of us that are old enough to remember what the vibe of America was to remember what the vibe of America was to remember what the vibe of America was leading up to World War II, not that I leading up to World War II, not that I leading up to World War II, not that I was alive back then. I'm old, but not was alive back then. I'm old, but not was alive back then. I'm old, but not that old. Uh, that we have this vision that old. Uh, that we have this vision that old. Uh, that we have this vision of America as being this manufacturing of America as being this manufacturing of America as being this manufacturing superpower. We are not that superpower. We are not that superpower. We are not that manufacturing superpower right now. Now, manufacturing superpower right now. Now, manufacturing superpower right now. Now, I actually think Trump is making the I actually think Trump is making the I actually think Trump is making the right moves to make us a manufacturing right moves to make us a manufacturing right moves to make us a manufacturing superpower once again in the future, but superpower once again in the future, but superpower once again in the future, but that's a 10 to 20year buildout of that's a 10 to 20year buildout of that's a 10 to 20year buildout of forcing things back into the US, forcing things back into the US, forcing things back into the US, investing in talent like what you see in investing in talent like what you see in investing in talent like what you see in Lucky Palmer. uh you don't really get Lucky Palmer. uh you don't really get Lucky Palmer. uh you don't really get the military aspect from Elon Musk, but the military aspect from Elon Musk, but the military aspect from Elon Musk, but that kind of engineering talent at least that kind of engineering talent at least that kind of engineering talent at least trying to retain here in the US, trying trying to retain here in the US, trying trying to retain here in the US, trying to make sure that the next generation of to make sure that the next generation of to make sure that the next generation of kids grow up wanting to be people that kids grow up wanting to be people that kids grow up wanting to be people that make physical things in the real world, make physical things in the real world, make physical things in the real world, which was something that we got out of. which was something that we got out of. which was something that we got out of. I'm sure we'll get into this as we talk I'm sure we'll get into this as we talk I'm sure we'll get into this as we talk more about economics, but man, people more about economics, but man, people more about economics, but man, people really need to understand the the play really need to understand the the play really need to understand the the play that empires make over and over and that empires make over and over and that empires make over and over and over. Um we're going to do we're going over. Um we're going to do we're going over. Um we're going to do we're going to go into a third hour today. I'm going to go into a third hour today. I'm going to go into a third hour today. I'm going to talk a lot about this at that point to talk a lot about this at that point to talk a lot about this at that point where there's just a playbook that where there's just a playbook that where there's just a playbook that people run that cause you to get rid of people run that cause you to get rid of people run that cause you to get rid of all your manufacturing to make people all your manufacturing to make people all your manufacturing to make people feel richer, not not feel richer, you feel richer, not not feel richer, you feel richer, not not feel richer, you are making them richer, but you're are making them richer, but you're are making them richer, but you're burning the candle so rapidly by burning the candle so rapidly by burning the candle so rapidly by de-industrializing, moving everything de-industrializing, moving everything de-industrializing, moving everything into paper that all of a sudden when you into paper that all of a sudden when you into paper that all of a sudden when you find yourself in a position like we're find yourself in a position like we're find yourself in a position like we're in now where China is racing away from in now where China is racing away from in now where China is racing away from US debt. Again, we'll get into the US debt. Again, we'll get into the US debt. Again, we'll get into the specifics of that later, but just specifics of that later, but just specifics of that later, but just understand right now you've got China understand right now you've got China understand right now you've got China racing away from US debt, buying gold at racing away from US debt, buying gold at racing away from US debt, buying gold at like freakish levels, the US having put like freakish levels, the US having put like freakish levels, the US having put all of its bets on the financial market, all of its bets on the financial market, all of its bets on the financial market, so financializing everything, not being so financializing everything, not being so financializing everything, not being able to make anything. So, I would like able to make anything. So, I would like able to make anything. So, I would like to remind the Trump administration, be to remind the Trump administration, be to remind the Trump administration, be very careful trying to prosecute a war very careful trying to prosecute a war very careful trying to prosecute a war when you don't have the ability to when you don't have the ability to when you don't have the ability to manufacture at the rate that you once manufacture at the rate that you once manufacture at the rate that you once did. And so if all of your swagger and did. And so if all of your swagger and did. And so if all of your swagger and cockurity is based on a time long gone cockurity is based on a time long gone cockurity is based on a time long gone by, then this is going to get very by, then this is going to get very by, then this is going to get very difficult for us to put enough pressure difficult for us to put enough pressure difficult for us to put enough pressure on the Iranians to actually get them to on the Iranians to actually get them to on the Iranians to actually get them to concede and want a deal. And so I don't concede and want a deal. And so I don't concede and want a deal. And so I don't think people are being honest about how think people are being honest about how think people are being honest about how big Iran is, about just how many people, big Iran is, about just how many people, big Iran is, about just how many people, 93 million people are. You can spend a 93 million people are. You can spend a 93 million people are. You can spend a lot of munitions, billions of dollars, lot of munitions, billions of dollars, lot of munitions, billions of dollars, piss a whole lot of people off, and piss a whole lot of people off, and piss a whole lot of people off, and still just not be able to do enough still just not be able to do enough still just not be able to do enough damage to control the entire length of damage to control the entire length of damage to control the entire length of the straight. I forget how many miles it the straight. I forget how many miles it the straight. I forget how many miles it is, but it's a lot. And so, there is a is, but it's a lot. And so, there is a is, but it's a lot. And so, there is a lot of places that you have to cover lot of places that you have to cover lot of places that you have to cover that they can just keep popping up new that they can just keep popping up new that they can just keep popping up new stuff. And if China is moving away from stuff. And if China is moving away from stuff. And if China is moving away from the US hard enough, aggressively enough, the US hard enough, aggressively enough, the US hard enough, aggressively enough, and they want to see Iran um be able to and they want to see Iran um be able to and they want to see Iran um be able to continue to ship oil in a way that's continue to ship oil in a way that's continue to ship oil in a way that's friendly to them, and they just sort of friendly to them, and they just sort of friendly to them, and they just sort of subtly in the background are on the subtly in the background are on the subtly in the background are on the Iranian side. Uh this gets way harder Iranian side. Uh this gets way harder Iranian side. Uh this gets way harder than I think we expected it to be when than I think we expected it to be when than I think we expected it to be when we went into this. So yeah, this one is we went into this. So yeah, this one is we went into this. So yeah, this one is um thankfully so far not been us with um thankfully so far not been us with um thankfully so far not been us with troops on the ground, though there are troops on the ground, though there are troops on the ground, though there are rumors that we've tried some things. rumors that we've tried some things. rumors that we've tried some things. They're just rumors right now, so I'll They're just rumors right now, so I'll They're just rumors right now, so I'll leave that alone. But this is not going leave that alone. But this is not going leave that alone. But this is not going to be a simple thing to prosecute. And to be a simple thing to prosecute. And to be a simple thing to prosecute. And so watching Trump try to deal with this so watching Trump try to deal with this so watching Trump try to deal with this as he comes into the midterms is going as he comes into the midterms is going as he comes into the midterms is going to be wild. And then all of this nested to be wild. And then all of this nested to be wild. And then all of this nested inside of look at what's happening to inside of look at what's happening to inside of look at what's happening to the oil price. Guys, given what's going the oil price. Guys, given what's going the oil price. Guys, given what's going on, oil, if the old model was correct on, oil, if the old model was correct on, oil, if the old model was correct and China's demand is what we thought it and China's demand is what we thought it and China's demand is what we thought it once was, then you would expect oil to once was, then you would expect oil to once was, then you would expect oil to truly have reached the $200 per barrel truly have reached the $200 per barrel truly have reached the $200 per barrel that we were being predicted we were that we were being predicted we were that we were being predicted we were going to hit. And now we're still what going to hit. And now we're still what going to hit. And now we're still what hovering at a little over a 100. So uh hovering at a little over a 100. So uh hovering at a little over a 100. So uh and then the long tail again look at the and then the long tail again look at the and then the long tail again look at the long tail. What's happening there says long tail. What's happening there says long tail. What's happening there says people are actually expecting deflation people are actually expecting deflation people are actually expecting deflation not inflation which is crazy uh in the not inflation which is crazy uh in the not inflation which is crazy uh in the longish term. And by long term I'm only longish term. And by long term I'm only longish term. And by long term I'm only talking 6 to 12 months. I'm not talking talking 6 to 12 months. I'm not talking talking 6 to 12 months. I'm not talking you don't have to throw it too far out you don't have to throw it too far out you don't have to throw it too far out before you start seeing those numbers before you start seeing those numbers before you start seeing those numbers come down. Uh so the world is not what come down. Uh so the world is not what come down. Uh so the world is not what it seems at this point. Uh we're all it seems at this point. Uh we're all it seems at this point. Uh we're all being propagandized. It's just hard and being propagandized. It's just hard and being propagandized. It's just hard and fast as people can propagandize us. And fast as people can propagandize us. And fast as people can propagandize us. And so, um, this is far trickier than people so, um, this is far trickier than people so, um, this is far trickier than people want it to be. And so, we better be want it to be. And so, we better be want it to be. And so, we better be developing a more sophisticated plan, developing a more sophisticated plan, developing a more sophisticated plan, uh, than what I've seen us do now. So, uh, than what I've seen us do now. So, uh, than what I've seen us do now. So, plan on the table now is plan on the table now is plan on the table now is disproportionate response. And I'll be disproportionate response. And I'll be disproportionate response. And I'll be it'll be interesting to see to to hear it'll be interesting to see to to hear it'll be interesting to see to to hear you guys' reaction to this, but I think you guys' reaction to this, but I think you guys' reaction to this, but I think one it is so abundantly clear that one it is so abundantly clear that one it is so abundantly clear that either their messaging about Iran was either their messaging about Iran was either their messaging about Iran was just wrong and the new messaging that just wrong and the new messaging that just wrong and the new messaging that we're getting from um Marco Rubio is now we're getting from um Marco Rubio is now we're getting from um Marco Rubio is now the real messaging that they should have the real messaging that they should have the real messaging that they should have been giving us from the beginning, which been giving us from the beginning, which been giving us from the beginning, which goes like this. Um yes, this is about goes like this. Um yes, this is about goes like this. Um yes, this is about Iran's nuclear program, but it's it's Iran's nuclear program, but it's it's Iran's nuclear program, but it's it's about all the ancillary things that go about all the ancillary things that go about all the ancillary things that go along with that. So think about their along with that. So think about their along with that. So think about their missile programs. They were building up missile programs. They were building up missile programs. They were building up all these missile programs so that they all these missile programs so that they all these missile programs so that they had everything they would need to put a had everything they would need to put a had everything they would need to put a nuclear warhead on this. And so even if nuclear warhead on this. And so even if nuclear warhead on this. And so even if we have destroyed their ability to we have destroyed their ability to we have destroyed their ability to produce all of the nuclear weapons, the produce all of the nuclear weapons, the produce all of the nuclear weapons, the fact that they are able to build these fact that they are able to build these fact that they are able to build these offensive and defensive capabilities up offensive and defensive capabilities up offensive and defensive capabilities up so aggressively means that they could so aggressively means that they could so aggressively means that they could put themselves in a situation where we put themselves in a situation where we put themselves in a situation where we wouldn't any longer be able to stop wouldn't any longer be able to stop wouldn't any longer be able to stop them. And so the messaging from the them. And so the messaging from the them. And so the messaging from the beginning, maybe maybe if they were beginning, maybe maybe if they were beginning, maybe maybe if they were being honest from the beginning should being honest from the beginning should being honest from the beginning should have sounded more like that. These guys have sounded more like that. These guys have sounded more like that. These guys are on the brink of being able to stop are on the brink of being able to stop are on the brink of being able to stop us from stopping them. Not that they us from stopping them. Not that they us from stopping them. Not that they were, you know, literally a week away were, you know, literally a week away were, you know, literally a week away from nuclear weapons, but that they were from nuclear weapons, but that they were from nuclear weapons, but that they were getting way too close to having the getting way too close to having the getting way too close to having the defensive capabilities that they would defensive capabilities that they would defensive capabilities that they would need to make it impossible for us to need to make it impossible for us to need to make it impossible for us to come in. Now, that's actually believable come in. Now, that's actually believable come in. Now, that's actually believable because what I'm seeing now is they may because what I'm seeing now is they may because what I'm seeing now is they may have already crossed that. They may have already crossed that. They may have already crossed that. They may already have such strong defensive and already have such strong defensive and already have such strong defensive and offensive capabilities that they can be offensive capabilities that they can be offensive capabilities that they can be a big enough pain in the ass. And I know a big enough pain in the ass. And I know a big enough pain in the ass. And I know everybody tries to write it off. Oh, everybody tries to write it off. Oh, everybody tries to write it off. Oh, it's just a couple drones, but now it's just a couple drones, but now it's just a couple drones, but now they're they've got their micro they're they've got their micro they're they've got their micro submarines. I think people are calling submarines. I think people are calling submarines. I think people are calling them [ __ ] submarines if I'm not them [ __ ] submarines if I'm not them [ __ ] submarines if I'm not mistaken. mistaken. mistaken. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. >> Yeah, exactly. Little people submarines. >> Yeah, exactly. Little people submarines. >> Yeah, exactly. Little people submarines. I don't know. What's the right way to I don't know. What's the right way to I don't know. What's the right way to say it? say it? say it? >> Little [laughter] people subs. Crazy. >> Little [laughter] people subs. Crazy. >> Little [laughter] people subs. Crazy. Can we share this? Can we share this? Can we share this? >> But I think they really Yeah, they >> But I think they really Yeah, they >> But I think they really Yeah, they literally call them [ __ ] submarines. literally call them [ __ ] submarines. literally call them [ __ ] submarines. All right. So, uh, little people All right. So, uh, little people All right. So, uh, little people submarines, whatever the right word is. submarines, whatever the right word is. submarines, whatever the right word is. Uh, so they're they are going to get Uh, so they're they are going to get Uh, so they're they are going to get better and better at being able to cause better and better at being able to cause better and better at being able to cause problems. And so, given the scope and problems. And so, given the scope and problems. And so, given the scope and size of Iran, if we all break free of size of Iran, if we all break free of size of Iran, if we all break free of the propaganda of what we've been led to the propaganda of what we've been led to the propaganda of what we've been led to believe is Iran, Iran is not a gigantic believe is Iran, Iran is not a gigantic believe is Iran, Iran is not a gigantic desert full of old uh, people. Iran is a desert full of old uh, people. Iran is a desert full of old uh, people. Iran is a very young population. Iran is a very very young population. Iran is a very very young population. Iran is a very lush and fertile area. Um, do they have lush and fertile area. Um, do they have lush and fertile area. Um, do they have deserts? Yes, of course they do. but deserts? Yes, of course they do. but deserts? Yes, of course they do. but they also have incredible mountainous they also have incredible mountainous they also have incredible mountainous regions um plenty of things that they regions um plenty of things that they regions um plenty of things that they can be self-reliant on. So, I think that can be self-reliant on. So, I think that can be self-reliant on. So, I think that um trying to dismiss them as not a truly um trying to dismiss them as not a truly um trying to dismiss them as not a truly formidable foe is a mistake. And all the formidable foe is a mistake. And all the formidable foe is a mistake. And all the messaging that we were getting coming messaging that we were getting coming messaging that we were getting coming into this was just, oh, these guys are a into this was just, oh, these guys are a into this was just, oh, these guys are a bunch of lunatics. They're going to be bunch of lunatics. They're going to be bunch of lunatics. They're going to be easy to wipe out. We're just going to easy to wipe out. We're just going to easy to wipe out. We're just going to buy force, take out their um nuclear buy force, take out their um nuclear buy force, take out their um nuclear installations, and that's going to be installations, and that's going to be installations, and that's going to be that. And so the desire to propagandize, that. And so the desire to propagandize, that. And so the desire to propagandize, to give Trump's base red meat, and just to give Trump's base red meat, and just to give Trump's base red meat, and just every time we drop a single bomb, we're every time we drop a single bomb, we're every time we drop a single bomb, we're like, "Oh, they've been obliterated. like, "Oh, they've been obliterated. like, "Oh, they've been obliterated. There's nothing left." All of that There's nothing left." All of that There's nothing left." All of that messaging has created the problem for messaging has created the problem for messaging has created the problem for themselves. If they had been honest in themselves. If they had been honest in themselves. If they had been honest in the beginning, and said, "Listen, what the beginning, and said, "Listen, what the beginning, and said, "Listen, what this is really about is these guys are this is really about is these guys are this is really about is these guys are building up such capabilities that they building up such capabilities that they building up such capabilities that they would be able to bully everybody in the would be able to bully everybody in the would be able to bully everybody in the region, including us, because they only region, including us, because they only region, including us, because they only need to achieve asymmetric need to achieve asymmetric need to achieve asymmetric um capabilities. and now we're just not um capabilities. and now we're just not um capabilities. and now we're just not going to be able to stop them. And so we going to be able to stop them. And so we going to be able to stop them. And so we have this one sort of window remaining. have this one sort of window remaining. have this one sort of window remaining. First of all, me, this is, you know, if First of all, me, this is, you know, if First of all, me, this is, you know, if I'm advising Trump, you've got me, the I'm advising Trump, you've got me, the I'm advising Trump, you've got me, the only president that's actually willing only president that's actually willing only president that's actually willing to do something about it. And so it's to do something about it. And so it's to do something about it. And so it's possible that the window is measured in possible that the window is measured in possible that the window is measured in three or four years that it's not like three or four years that it's not like three or four years that it's not like it's the next few months. But to it's the next few months. But to it's the next few months. But to actually prosecute this, well, we've got actually prosecute this, well, we've got actually prosecute this, well, we've got to get moving now. We've got to try to to get moving now. We've got to try to to get moving now. We've got to try to press the advantage while we still have press the advantage while we still have press the advantage while we still have a bigger advantage. And every day that a bigger advantage. And every day that a bigger advantage. And every day that we delay, this becomes a bigger and we delay, this becomes a bigger and we delay, this becomes a bigger and bigger problem. And because down the bigger problem. And because down the bigger problem. And because down the road they've just continued to escalate road they've just continued to escalate road they've just continued to escalate their nuclear program such that if they their nuclear program such that if they their nuclear program such that if they got to the point where nobody was going got to the point where nobody was going got to the point where nobody was going to be able to stop them, they only have to be able to stop them, they only have to be able to stop them, they only have a few remaining pieces to put in place a few remaining pieces to put in place a few remaining pieces to put in place and boom, now they can really start and boom, now they can really start and boom, now they can really start attacking people. So we're going to have attacking people. So we're going to have attacking people. So we're going to have to move in and do this thing. Now to move in and do this thing. Now to move in and do this thing. Now literally, I'm obviously paraphrasing, literally, I'm obviously paraphrasing, literally, I'm obviously paraphrasing, but that is roughly the messaging that but that is roughly the messaging that but that is roughly the messaging that just now Rubio is finally able to just now Rubio is finally able to just now Rubio is finally able to articulate. articulate. articulate. I fear that the reason that the I fear that the reason that the I fear that the reason that the messaging has been so discombobulated is messaging has been so discombobulated is messaging has been so discombobulated is what we've actually seen is an emotional what we've actually seen is an emotional what we've actually seen is an emotional sense of oh I get what I Trump an sense of oh I get what I Trump an sense of oh I get what I Trump an emotional sense of I get what I need to emotional sense of I get what I need to emotional sense of I get what I need to do to go in and get myself on Mount do to go in and get myself on Mount do to go in and get myself on Mount Rushmore and so I'm going to go in I'm Rushmore and so I'm going to go in I'm Rushmore and so I'm going to go in I'm going to slap these guys around. going to slap these guys around. going to slap these guys around. Remember he was coming off that big Remember he was coming off that big Remember he was coming off that big victory in Venezuela and so I just think victory in Venezuela and so I just think victory in Venezuela and so I just think he was too cockshore and he was like he was too cockshore and he was like he was too cockshore and he was like yeah this is going to be fine and now yeah this is going to be fine and now yeah this is going to be fine and now we're finally getting the like listen we're finally getting the like listen we're finally getting the like listen this is actually what this was about. this is actually what this was about. this is actually what this was about. Now, you can still say that that was Now, you can still say that that was Now, you can still say that that was stupid and that what a total misread or stupid and that what a total misread or stupid and that what a total misread or the US has no right to do that. All of the US has no right to do that. All of the US has no right to do that. All of those that's a very worthy debate, but those that's a very worthy debate, but those that's a very worthy debate, but at least now we're getting something at least now we're getting something at least now we're getting something where I can go, okay, there's internal where I can go, okay, there's internal where I can go, okay, there's internal logic here. I understand now what you're logic here. I understand now what you're logic here. I understand now what you're trying to do, but now that we're talking trying to do, but now that we're talking trying to do, but now that we're talking the real game, did we just wait too the real game, did we just wait too the real game, did we just wait too long? And if we waited too long and this long? And if we waited too long and this long? And if we waited too long and this is something that you either should have is something that you either should have is something that you either should have done in Trump's first term or this done in Trump's first term or this done in Trump's first term or this should have been something Bush won or should have been something Bush won or should have been something Bush won or two or Obama should have handled and now two or Obama should have handled and now two or Obama should have handled and now like the jig is up and it's they really like the jig is up and it's they really like the jig is up and it's they really are already in that position. Um are already in that position. Um are already in that position. Um we have to face that and we have to say we have to face that and we have to say we have to face that and we have to say in the light of what they actually can in the light of what they actually can in the light of what they actually can do, what is the path out of this? Show do, what is the path out of this? Show do, what is the path out of this? Show me path one. Show me path two. Show me me path one. Show me path two. Show me me path one. Show me path two. Show me path three. Uh that's going to be hard path three. Uh that's going to be hard path three. Uh that's going to be hard because obviously they can't lay all because obviously they can't lay all because obviously they can't lay all their cards on the table but they are in their cards on the table but they are in their cards on the table but they are in a republic. Uh, and so you have to a republic. Uh, and so you have to a republic. Uh, and so you have to convince the population and if you don't convince the population and if you don't convince the population and if you don't convince the public of what you're convince the public of what you're convince the public of what you're doing, then you get voted out of office. doing, then you get voted out of office. doing, then you get voted out of office. And so, man, we're just in a really And so, man, we're just in a really And so, man, we're just in a really weird and difficult position. And weird and difficult position. And weird and difficult position. And ironically, uh, the only thing that's ironically, uh, the only thing that's ironically, uh, the only thing that's offering any sort of salvation from an offering any sort of salvation from an offering any sort of salvation from an everyday person perspective in terms of everyday person perspective in terms of everyday person perspective in terms of the cost of oil is that the Chinese the cost of oil is that the Chinese the cost of oil is that the Chinese economy is struggling. And so, that's economy is struggling. And so, that's economy is struggling. And so, that's wild. It it is one of those things where wild. It it is one of those things where wild. It it is one of those things where when you try to figure out why none of when you try to figure out why none of when you try to figure out why none of this is perfectly predictable, it's this is perfectly predictable, it's this is perfectly predictable, it's because of [ __ ] like that. Like, who because of [ __ ] like that. Like, who because of [ __ ] like that. Like, who would have thought would have thought would have thought >> that the um housing crisis that China is >> that the um housing crisis that China is >> that the um housing crisis that China is going through right now, which they've going through right now, which they've going through right now, which they've done everything economically, he would done everything economically, he would done everything economically, he would need to just make this to be a need to just make this to be a need to just make this to be a completely untenable war. So, you have completely untenable war. So, you have completely untenable war. So, you have just enough where he can keep going. And just enough where he can keep going. And just enough where he can keep going. And oil's still only at like $100 a barrel. oil's still only at like $100 a barrel. oil's still only at like $100 a barrel. Uh Uh Uh and China's still doing well enough that and China's still doing well enough that and China's still doing well enough that they can like keep going, keep doing they can like keep going, keep doing they can like keep going, keep doing their thing, keep moving away from the their thing, keep moving away from the their thing, keep moving away from the dollar. They just dumped like $663 dollar. They just dumped like $663 dollar. They just dumped like $663 million a billion dollars, excuse me, if million a billion dollars, excuse me, if million a billion dollars, excuse me, if I'm remembering right, of treasuries I'm remembering right, of treasuries I'm remembering right, of treasuries like in the last week or something, like in the last week or something, like in the last week or something, which is like putting so much pressure which is like putting so much pressure which is like putting so much pressure on us from an economic standpoint. on us from an economic standpoint. on us from an economic standpoint. Everything is economic. Uh, yeah, dude. Everything is economic. Uh, yeah, dude. Everything is economic. Uh, yeah, dude. This one is when you lay out the known This one is when you lay out the known This one is when you lay out the known things, forget the unknowns. When you things, forget the unknowns. When you things, forget the unknowns. When you lay out the known things of what's lay out the known things of what's lay out the known things of what's happening, all of this becomes happening, all of this becomes happening, all of this becomes quagmirey. like there's not going to be quagmirey. like there's not going to be quagmirey. like there's not going to be any easy way out of this. any easy way out of this. any easy way out of this. >> Um, I'm not going to say I called it, >> Um, I'm not going to say I called it, >> Um, I'm not going to say I called it, but I'm going to say I called it. I feel but I'm going to say I called it. I feel but I'm going to say I called it. I feel like from day one I was like, this is a like from day one I was like, this is a like from day one I was like, this is a forever war. And I think that there's forever war. And I think that there's forever war. And I think that there's two things. You can go the Simon Dixon two things. You can go the Simon Dixon two things. You can go the Simon Dixon route and say there was incentives route and say there was incentives route and say there was incentives there. Trump could get a golf course in there. Trump could get a golf course in there. Trump could get a golf course in Tyrron. Uh Jared Kushner is getting Tyrron. Uh Jared Kushner is getting Tyrron. Uh Jared Kushner is getting money hand over fist. He's in Trump's money hand over fist. He's in Trump's money hand over fist. He's in Trump's ear. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be a two week. ear. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be a two week. ear. Yeah. Yeah, it'll be a two week. We'll we'll make it happen. I got it. So We'll we'll make it happen. I got it. So We'll we'll make it happen. I got it. So there's all the financial incentives there's all the financial incentives there's all the financial incentives that lets Trump and his family wants to that lets Trump and his family wants to that lets Trump and his family wants to get involved and get messy. But then on get involved and get messy. But then on get involved and get messy. But then on the flip side, we have like the Vietnam the flip side, we have like the Vietnam the flip side, we have like the Vietnam of it all where it's like, "Oh, this of it all where it's like, "Oh, this of it all where it's like, "Oh, this small country will bomb the life out of small country will bomb the life out of small country will bomb the life out of them." And then now that we got guys them." And then now that we got guys them." And then now that we got guys popping out of deserts, guys in do-aggs popping out of deserts, guys in do-aggs popping out of deserts, guys in do-aggs that's going to be attacking us and that's going to be attacking us and that's going to be attacking us and we're not going to be able to have the we're not going to be able to have the we're not going to be able to have the necessary wherewithal to withstand that necessary wherewithal to withstand that necessary wherewithal to withstand that war. So it's like to me, I would much war. So it's like to me, I would much war. So it's like to me, I would much rather him go fast and furious and bomb rather him go fast and furious and bomb rather him go fast and furious and bomb everything and just be the bad guy and everything and just be the bad guy and everything and just be the bad guy and shrug his shoulders and just be like, shrug his shoulders and just be like, shrug his shoulders and just be like, "Yeah, I did it, whatever." Rather than "Yeah, I did it, whatever." Rather than "Yeah, I did it, whatever." Rather than this, this, this, >> we're at war. We're not really at war. >> we're at war. We're not really at war. >> we're at war. We're not really at war. We're at war. like this double like this We're at war. like this double like this We're at war. like this double like this hopscotch like approach that we're hopscotch like approach that we're hopscotch like approach that we're doing. doing. doing. >> Here's the good news for your advice. >> Here's the good news for your advice. >> Here's the good news for your advice. He's running that playbook now and it He's running that playbook now and it He's running that playbook now and it just becomes a question of do we have just becomes a question of do we have just becomes a question of do we have the munitions and the allies to pull it the munitions and the allies to pull it the munitions and the allies to pull it off because a lot of this is going to be off because a lot of this is going to be off because a lot of this is going to be how does the Middle East respond to how does the Middle East respond to how does the Middle East respond to this? If they get pissed and they feel this? If they get pissed and they feel this? If they get pissed and they feel like okay fine, [ __ ] like we've just got like okay fine, [ __ ] like we've just got like okay fine, [ __ ] like we've just got to fight Iran full on right now. This is to fight Iran full on right now. This is to fight Iran full on right now. This is the time. I wish Trump hadn't made the the time. I wish Trump hadn't made the the time. I wish Trump hadn't made the move but he did. We are where we are. move but he did. We are where we are. move but he did. We are where we are. Which by the way that'll be the one Which by the way that'll be the one Which by the way that'll be the one thing where um I'll let historians thing where um I'll let historians thing where um I'll let historians debate whether we should have gotten debate whether we should have gotten debate whether we should have gotten into the war or not. That's fine. In the into the war or not. That's fine. In the into the war or not. That's fine. In the fullness of time, people have a much fullness of time, people have a much fullness of time, people have a much clearer picture of what's going on. But clearer picture of what's going on. But clearer picture of what's going on. But right now, the conversation that we all right now, the conversation that we all right now, the conversation that we all need to be having is we're in it. need to be having is we're in it. need to be having is we're in it. >> Okay, now that we're in it, what are we >> Okay, now that we're in it, what are we >> Okay, now that we're in it, what are we going to do? going to do? going to do? >> And I fully expect that there will be a >> And I fully expect that there will be a >> And I fully expect that there will be a cacophony of voices that say we just cacophony of voices that say we just cacophony of voices that say we just need to back the [ __ ] out need to back the [ __ ] out need to back the [ __ ] out >> and we need to accept that our time is >> and we need to accept that our time is >> and we need to accept that our time is empire has faded and there's no more empire has faded and there's no more empire has faded and there's no more free transiting of the seas. Um because free transiting of the seas. Um because free transiting of the seas. Um because we're seeing little fires all over the we're seeing little fires all over the we're seeing little fires all over the place of people like the uh Bob El place of people like the uh Bob El place of people like the uh Bob El Mandab straight now that the Houthies Mandab straight now that the Houthies Mandab straight now that the Houthies are like a [ __ ] it. We're going to get are like a [ __ ] it. We're going to get are like a [ __ ] it. We're going to get involved. Uh Rubio's trying to wave them involved. Uh Rubio's trying to wave them involved. Uh Rubio's trying to wave them off and say, "Kids, do you guys The last off and say, "Kids, do you guys The last off and say, "Kids, do you guys The last time we went in and bombed the [ __ ] out time we went in and bombed the [ __ ] out time we went in and bombed the [ __ ] out of you, you guys backed off. You touched of you, you guys backed off. You touched of you, you guys backed off. You touched the stove. You realized it was a bad the stove. You realized it was a bad the stove. You realized it was a bad idea." idea." idea." >> And Israel's been waiting to kill a >> And Israel's been waiting to kill a >> And Israel's been waiting to kill a Houthy. They They love getting them Houthy. They They love getting them Houthy. They They love getting them dudes. Israel been waiting. Israel's dudes. Israel been waiting. Israel's dudes. Israel been waiting. Israel's like, "Please, please let me kill. They like, "Please, please let me kill. They like, "Please, please let me kill. They in Lebanon. They in Jordan. They're in in Lebanon. They in Jordan. They're in in Lebanon. They in Jordan. They're in Saudia. where where I got to go. Saudia. where where I got to go. Saudia. where where I got to go. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, it is uh >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, it is uh >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, it is uh God, that whole part of this so God, that whole part of this so God, that whole part of this so secretly, Drew, [laughter] when I'm not secretly, Drew, [laughter] when I'm not secretly, Drew, [laughter] when I'm not on camera, I spend so much time on like on camera, I spend so much time on like on camera, I spend so much time on like the Israel Palestine of it all. There the Israel Palestine of it all. There the Israel Palestine of it all. There there is something so deeply revelatory there is something so deeply revelatory there is something so deeply revelatory of the human experience there. And of the human experience there. And of the human experience there. And because of my mental model of the world, because of my mental model of the world, because of my mental model of the world, it doesn't matter if you're Jewish or it doesn't matter if you're Jewish or it doesn't matter if you're Jewish or you're um you're um you're um uh part of an Islamic extreme group, uh part of an Islamic extreme group, uh part of an Islamic extreme group, whatever, or [ __ ] [laughter] Uh it it is whatever, or [ __ ] [laughter] Uh it it is whatever, or [ __ ] [laughter] Uh it it is just facets of the human mind. just facets of the human mind. just facets of the human mind. >> And so for me, this is just like all of >> And so for me, this is just like all of >> And so for me, this is just like all of these things reside inside myself. these things reside inside myself. these things reside inside myself. That's how I see this. It's like, oh That's how I see this. It's like, oh That's how I see this. It's like, oh damn. Okay. So that's what if if id damn. Okay. So that's what if if id damn. Okay. So that's what if if id grown up there, that's how I would have grown up there, that's how I would have grown up there, that's how I would have played out. If I grew up there, that's played out. If I grew up there, that's played out. If I grew up there, that's how I'd play out. These are all just how I'd play out. These are all just how I'd play out. These are all just value systems. We are all capable of value systems. We are all capable of value systems. We are all capable of imbuing all of these value systems. Very imbuing all of these value systems. Very imbuing all of these value systems. Very true. Uh remember, read the book, true. Uh remember, read the book, true. Uh remember, read the book, ordinary men. It was ordinary men in ordinary men. It was ordinary men in ordinary men. It was ordinary men in Germany that took pregnant women out in Germany that took pregnant women out in Germany that took pregnant women out in the field, stripped them naked, and shot the field, stripped them naked, and shot the field, stripped them naked, and shot them in the back of the head. Ordinary them in the back of the head. Ordinary them in the back of the head. Ordinary men. men. men. >> Uh so all of us can fall victim to this >> Uh so all of us can fall victim to this >> Uh so all of us can fall victim to this because of the way that the human mind because of the way that the human mind because of the way that the human mind is. And so watching the human mind play is. And so watching the human mind play is. And so watching the human mind play out in this very specific way based on out in this very specific way based on out in this very specific way based on these very specific cultures and these very specific cultures and these very specific cultures and collisions of cultures is so fascinating collisions of cultures is so fascinating collisions of cultures is so fascinating because I'm going to get myself in because I'm going to get myself in because I'm going to get myself in trouble here. I don't know if we just trouble here. I don't know if we just trouble here. I don't know if we just want to put a period on that or if we want to put a period on that or if we want to put a period on that or if we want me to fractal deep into Palestine, want me to fractal deep into Palestine, want me to fractal deep into Palestine, Israel, but like Israel, but like Israel, but like >> we had a couple [ __ ] is okay. >> we had a couple [ __ ] is okay. >> we had a couple [ __ ] is okay. >> Here we go. We haven't heard that one in >> Here we go. We haven't heard that one in >> Here we go. We haven't heard that one in a while. a while. a while. >> There it is. Let's go. V. Let's go. R is >> There it is. Let's go. V. Let's go. R is >> There it is. Let's go. V. Let's go. R is ready. Activated. I I like to think they ready. Activated. I I like to think they ready. Activated. I I like to think they haven't used that cuz I I have developed haven't used that cuz I I have developed haven't used that cuz I I have developed so much more discipline uh on my so much more discipline uh on my so much more discipline uh on my non-fracking but uh okay so non-fracking but uh okay so non-fracking but uh okay so everybody knows my mental model I hope everybody knows my mental model I hope everybody knows my mental model I hope at this point it's it's a question of at this point it's it's a question of at this point it's it's a question of values and beliefs so everything is values and beliefs so everything is values and beliefs so everything is downstream of that the way that you downstream of that the way that you downstream of that the way that you behave you have a set of things that you behave you have a set of things that you behave you have a set of things that you believe to be true both of the way the believe to be true both of the way the believe to be true both of the way the world is and the way that the world world is and the way that the world world is and the way that the world ought to be the ought to be part is your ought to be the ought to be part is your ought to be the ought to be part is your value system okay humans are capable of value system okay humans are capable of value system okay humans are capable of developing virtually any belief system developing virtually any belief system developing virtually any belief system virtually any value system but you can't virtually any value system but you can't virtually any value system but you can't understand their behavior until you're understand their behavior until you're understand their behavior until you're downstream dream of that. So you get the downstream dream of that. So you get the downstream dream of that. So you get the nation of Israel, say what you will, it nation of Israel, say what you will, it nation of Israel, say what you will, it does exist. And so now you've got this does exist. And so now you've got this does exist. And so now you've got this collision of like this really old school collision of like this really old school collision of like this really old school mentality from like the Old Testament mentality from like the Old Testament mentality from like the Old Testament Bible mixed with all of the economic Bible mixed with all of the economic Bible mixed with all of the economic like awakening that European Jews had. like awakening that European Jews had. like awakening that European Jews had. Uh you can certainly point to the Uh you can certainly point to the Uh you can certainly point to the Rothschilds and all that, but like they Rothschilds and all that, but like they Rothschilds and all that, but like they really figure out the economic game. The really figure out the economic game. The really figure out the economic game. The more I learn about usery and all that more I learn about usery and all that more I learn about usery and all that stuff, the more I realize anybody trying stuff, the more I realize anybody trying stuff, the more I realize anybody trying to bring the usery conversation into to bring the usery conversation into to bring the usery conversation into modern era is [ __ ] [ __ ] They modern era is [ __ ] [ __ ] They modern era is [ __ ] [ __ ] They just don't understand. So if you're just don't understand. So if you're just don't understand. So if you're trying to pass like a moral thing about trying to pass like a moral thing about trying to pass like a moral thing about usery, it's because you don't understand usery, it's because you don't understand usery, it's because you don't understand central banks. So it's like that comment central banks. So it's like that comment central banks. So it's like that comment makes sense when the money supply can't makes sense when the money supply can't makes sense when the money supply can't expand. when the money supply can expand expand. when the money supply can expand expand. when the money supply can expand then all of a sudden the modern miracle then all of a sudden the modern miracle then all of a sudden the modern miracle even though I think in the final even though I think in the final even though I think in the final analysis that central banks the way that analysis that central banks the way that analysis that central banks the way that we do them creates a moral hazard that we do them creates a moral hazard that we do them creates a moral hazard that becomes deeply problematic but setting becomes deeply problematic but setting becomes deeply problematic but setting that aside for a second that aside for a second that aside for a second >> uh the modern world is brought to you by >> uh the modern world is brought to you by >> uh the modern world is brought to you by charging interest. So it ends up charging interest. So it ends up charging interest. So it ends up becoming this incredible debt becomes becoming this incredible debt becomes becoming this incredible debt becomes just an absolute miracle. So anyway you just an absolute miracle. So anyway you just an absolute miracle. So anyway you get all that coming into the Middle get all that coming into the Middle get all that coming into the Middle East. Now you've got a um a hurting East. Now you've got a um a hurting East. Now you've got a um a hurting society from the Middle East where society from the Middle East where society from the Middle East where revenge is everything. You can't ever revenge is everything. You can't ever revenge is everything. You can't ever let anybody slight you. That by the way, let anybody slight you. That by the way, let anybody slight you. That by the way, many um people many Jews that just never many um people many Jews that just never many um people many Jews that just never left the Middle East still had that left the Middle East still had that left the Middle East still had that hardcore mentality. But you get that's hardcore mentality. But you get that's hardcore mentality. But you get that's the whole rise early and kill first the whole rise early and kill first the whole rise early and kill first thing. thing. thing. >> Then you get that mixed with but we also >> Then you get that mixed with but we also >> Then you get that mixed with but we also know how to do the economic game. And so know how to do the economic game. And so know how to do the economic game. And so Israel springs up [ __ ] they build all Israel springs up [ __ ] they build all Israel springs up [ __ ] they build all this insane [ __ ] Absolutely incredible, this insane [ __ ] Absolutely incredible, this insane [ __ ] Absolutely incredible, breathtaking. uh the only democracy in breathtaking. uh the only democracy in breathtaking. uh the only democracy in the Middle East, yada yada yada. the Middle East, yada yada yada. the Middle East, yada yada yada. >> But it's infused with but we understand >> But it's infused with but we understand >> But it's infused with but we understand the mentality of this region which is the mentality of this region which is the mentality of this region which is you cannot let people [ __ ] with you you cannot let people [ __ ] with you you cannot let people [ __ ] with you >> and if they [ __ ] with you, you got to >> and if they [ __ ] with you, you got to >> and if they [ __ ] with you, you got to hit them hard. And by the way, just the hit them hard. And by the way, just the hit them hard. And by the way, just the religious extremism on both sides. Like religious extremism on both sides. Like religious extremism on both sides. Like I'm just doing what God tells me to do. I'm just doing what God tells me to do. I'm just doing what God tells me to do. And so both sides actually can say to And so both sides actually can say to And so both sides actually can say to themselves with a straight [ __ ] face, themselves with a straight [ __ ] face, themselves with a straight [ __ ] face, God is on our side. That [ __ ] is so God is on our side. That [ __ ] is so God is on our side. That [ __ ] is so dangerous. Bob Dylan wrote a song about dangerous. Bob Dylan wrote a song about dangerous. Bob Dylan wrote a song about that. People should listen to it. It's that. People should listen to it. It's that. People should listen to it. It's incredible. incredible. incredible. I believe God doesn't exist. So, he's I believe God doesn't exist. So, he's I believe God doesn't exist. So, he's not on anybody's side. So, you But not on anybody's side. So, you But not on anybody's side. So, you But you've got people that really believe you've got people that really believe you've got people that really believe I'm doing God's work. And so, I believe I'm doing God's work. And so, I believe I'm doing God's work. And so, I believe in you can't let anybody [ __ ] with you in you can't let anybody [ __ ] with you in you can't let anybody [ __ ] with you and I'm doing God's work. So, I can't and I'm doing God's work. So, I can't and I'm doing God's work. So, I can't let these people [ __ ] with me in the let these people [ __ ] with me in the let these people [ __ ] with me in the name of God. So, whichever god you name of God. So, whichever god you name of God. So, whichever god you believe in. And so, it gets [ __ ] believe in. And so, it gets [ __ ] believe in. And so, it gets [ __ ] wild. And so now you're in you've got wild. And so now you're in you've got wild. And so now you're in you've got the US which is like the most unable to the US which is like the most unable to the US which is like the most unable to build a mental model of the Middle East build a mental model of the Middle East build a mental model of the Middle East which has a very different value system. which has a very different value system. which has a very different value system. And so we're trying to do the big dick And so we're trying to do the big dick And so we're trying to do the big dick swagger of American military swagger of American military swagger of American military everything's bigger in Texas vibes. Uh everything's bigger in Texas vibes. Uh everything's bigger in Texas vibes. Uh you know we've come in we've just for you know we've come in we've just for you know we've come in we've just for the last 250 years we've been the the last 250 years we've been the the last 250 years we've been the gangster. And so we come in and try to gangster. And so we come in and try to gangster. And so we come in and try to slap people around not understanding the slap people around not understanding the slap people around not understanding the ferocity of the mentality of the region ferocity of the mentality of the region ferocity of the mentality of the region of like no no no we don't play that of like no no no we don't play that of like no no no we don't play that game. We we will fight to the last man. game. We we will fight to the last man. game. We we will fight to the last man. So you brought up the um Vietnam War. I So you brought up the um Vietnam War. I So you brought up the um Vietnam War. I would like to remind everybody in the would like to remind everybody in the would like to remind everybody in the name of don't underestimate your name of don't underestimate your name of don't underestimate your opponent. Um, the Vietkong opponent. Um, the Vietkong opponent. Um, the Vietkong disassembled disassembled disassembled tanks, tanks, tanks, carried the parts of the tanks over carried the parts of the tanks over carried the parts of the tanks over these mountains that were considered these mountains that were considered these mountains that were considered impenetrable. So, um, they were like, impenetrable. So, um, they were like, impenetrable. So, um, they were like, "Oh, we're safe. There's no way they're "Oh, we're safe. There's no way they're "Oh, we're safe. There's no way they're going to be able to get their um, going to be able to get their um, going to be able to get their um, weapons big enough to defeat us over weapons big enough to defeat us over weapons big enough to defeat us over those mountains, natural uh, border." those mountains, natural uh, border." those mountains, natural uh, border." They [ __ ] disassembled tanks and They [ __ ] disassembled tanks and They [ __ ] disassembled tanks and brought them on the other side. Don't be brought them on the other side. Don't be brought them on the other side. Don't be careful who you [ __ ] with. careful who you [ __ ] with. careful who you [ __ ] with. >> Yep. Because if people have that kind of >> Yep. Because if people have that kind of >> Yep. Because if people have that kind of uh mentality, so if you believe I'm uh mentality, so if you believe I'm uh mentality, so if you believe I'm doing God's work and you have a cultural doing God's work and you have a cultural doing God's work and you have a cultural value system that absolutely says you value system that absolutely says you value system that absolutely says you cannot let people do you wrong and cannot let people do you wrong and cannot let people do you wrong and you've got high intelligence, which just you've got high intelligence, which just you've got high intelligence, which just assume the Iranians have high assume the Iranians have high assume the Iranians have high intelligence and an insane will to win. intelligence and an insane will to win. intelligence and an insane will to win. Oo buddy, anybody that comes after you Oo buddy, anybody that comes after you Oo buddy, anybody that comes after you is about to be tested for real. For is about to be tested for real. For is about to be tested for real. For real. And so now we're about to find out real. And so now we're about to find out real. And so now we're about to find out if given that we have gutted our if given that we have gutted our if given that we have gutted our manufacturing base, can we spin our manufacturing base, can we spin our manufacturing base, can we spin our manufacturing base back up fast enough manufacturing base back up fast enough manufacturing base back up fast enough to actually do what you're saying, which to actually do what you're saying, which to actually do what you're saying, which is all right, we're in it now. [ __ ] is all right, we're in it now. [ __ ] is all right, we're in it now. [ __ ] win. win. win. >> No, but I mean, if we really call Palmer >> No, but I mean, if we really call Palmer >> No, but I mean, if we really call Palmer like, "Hey, bro, I need 200 of them like, "Hey, bro, I need 200 of them like, "Hey, bro, I need 200 of them disposable missiles. Like, hit me with disposable missiles. Like, hit me with disposable missiles. Like, hit me with it." I feel like he can spin it up. I it." I feel like he can spin it up. I it." I feel like he can spin it up. I feel like there's enough. feel like there's enough. feel like there's enough. >> We're about to find out. >> We're about to find out. >> We're about to find out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, listen, so I'm American. I want >> I mean, listen, so I'm American. I want >> I mean, listen, so I'm American. I want to see America win. I grew up in the to see America win. I grew up in the to see America win. I grew up in the 80s, so I've got like Rambo in my veins 80s, so I've got like Rambo in my veins 80s, so I've got like Rambo in my veins and I want to see us win. I would have and I want to see us win. I would have and I want to see us win. I would have liked to see this not be a necessary liked to see this not be a necessary liked to see this not be a necessary thing. I don't have enough intel to know thing. I don't have enough intel to know thing. I don't have enough intel to know if this really was wise to move on it. if this really was wise to move on it. if this really was wise to move on it. That's why I say historians will figure That's why I say historians will figure That's why I say historians will figure all that out. But we are in it now. The all that out. But we are in it now. The all that out. But we are in it now. The fact that we're in it now, we've got to fact that we're in it now, we've got to fact that we're in it now, we've got to win it. So, yes, I want to see Palmer win it. So, yes, I want to see Palmer win it. So, yes, I want to see Palmer Lucky, uh, Elon Musk, all of our Lucky, uh, Elon Musk, all of our Lucky, uh, Elon Musk, all of our brilliant engineers come together and brilliant engineers come together and brilliant engineers come together and just show that America can't be stopped just show that America can't be stopped just show that America can't be stopped now that we're in it. Um, but we're now that we're in it. Um, but we're now that we're in it. Um, but we're gonna find out if that's going to be gonna find out if that's going to be gonna find out if that's going to be possible. possible. possible. >> We are going to find out if that's >> We are going to find out if that's >> We are going to find out if that's possible. Um, okay. So, I want to take a possible. Um, okay. So, I want to take a possible. Um, okay. So, I want to take a step back from the international war and step back from the international war and step back from the international war and I want to look at a much deeper domestic I want to look at a much deeper domestic I want to look at a much deeper domestic war. What I what do I mean by that? Um, war. What I what do I mean by that? Um, war. What I what do I mean by that? Um, anthropic is dirty macking. And for anthropic is dirty macking. And for anthropic is dirty macking. And for those that don't know, dirty macking is those that don't know, dirty macking is those that don't know, dirty macking is when you like your friend and his when you like your friend and his when you like your friend and his girlfriend are going through something girlfriend are going through something girlfriend are going through something and you're trying to console her, but and you're trying to console her, but and you're trying to console her, but you're making like you're saying bad you're making like you're saying bad you're making like you're saying bad things about your friend while you're things about your friend while you're things about your friend while you're consoling her. So, you're not really consoling her. So, you're not really consoling her. So, you're not really helping him, you're making yourself look helping him, you're making yourself look helping him, you're making yourself look good in that. good in that. good in that. It's that type of thing. Exactly. Um, It's that type of thing. Exactly. Um, It's that type of thing. Exactly. Um, Anthropic was supposed to save the Anthropic was supposed to save the Anthropic was supposed to save the world. We were supposed to get protein world. We were supposed to get protein world. We were supposed to get protein folding, but now all of a sudden we're folding, but now all of a sudden we're folding, but now all of a sudden we're getting lobby groups. We're getting getting lobby groups. We're getting getting lobby groups. We're getting restriction on Chinese open- source restriction on Chinese open- source restriction on Chinese open- source models. The price of AI was tanking. My models. The price of AI was tanking. My models. The price of AI was tanking. My sister called me the other day like, sister called me the other day like, sister called me the other day like, "Yo, Chad GBT is $30 a month right now." "Yo, Chad GBT is $30 a month right now." "Yo, Chad GBT is $30 a month right now." I'm like, "Oh, go China. It's free." I'm like, "Oh, go China. It's free." I'm like, "Oh, go China. It's free." Wait, what? I have I don't have to pay Wait, what? I have I don't have to pay Wait, what? I have I don't have to pay for this anymore. Like, there's a bunch for this anymore. Like, there's a bunch for this anymore. Like, there's a bunch of regulatory capture, investment of regulatory capture, investment of regulatory capture, investment capture. They're trying to get like capture. They're trying to get like capture. They're trying to get like solidify their coffers in front of the solidify their coffers in front of the solidify their coffers in front of the IPO. What's your read on this anthropic IPO. What's your read on this anthropic IPO. What's your read on this anthropic open AI regulatory capture thing? open AI regulatory capture thing? open AI regulatory capture thing? >> Yeah, this one is wild. So, Daario >> Yeah, this one is wild. So, Daario >> Yeah, this one is wild. So, Daario Adanthropic just cannot help himself but Adanthropic just cannot help himself but Adanthropic just cannot help himself but go for regulatory capture. To that end, go for regulatory capture. To that end, go for regulatory capture. To that end, Anthropic just put another $20 million Anthropic just put another $20 million Anthropic just put another $20 million into public first action, which brings into public first action, which brings into public first action, which brings our total to public first action to $40 our total to public first action to $40 our total to public first action to $40 million. Public first action is the million. Public first action is the million. Public first action is the policy arm of a super PAC backing policy arm of a super PAC backing policy arm of a super PAC backing candidates who support AI guardrails. candidates who support AI guardrails. candidates who support AI guardrails. Now, I imagine many of you are like, Now, I imagine many of you are like, Now, I imagine many of you are like, "Yes, I want me some AI guardrails." "Yes, I want me some AI guardrails." "Yes, I want me some AI guardrails." There's 30 to 50 of these people, uh, There's 30 to 50 of these people, uh, There's 30 to 50 of these people, uh, politicians that are being benefited politicians that are being benefited politicians that are being benefited from the super PAC. They're from both from the super PAC. They're from both from the super PAC. They're from both parties. And all of this is happening parties. And all of this is happening parties. And all of this is happening right now, just ahead of the midterms. right now, just ahead of the midterms. right now, just ahead of the midterms. If you hate money in politics, let's If you hate money in politics, let's If you hate money in politics, let's talk about how this actually works. So, talk about how this actually works. So, talk about how this actually works. So, Daario himself has kicked in a million Daario himself has kicked in a million Daario himself has kicked in a million dollars of his own money. Anthropic dollars of his own money. Anthropic dollars of his own money. Anthropic employees have also added $2.15 million employees have also added $2.15 million employees have also added $2.15 million just last quarter. Now, you could say, just last quarter. Now, you could say, just last quarter. Now, you could say, "Well, these are the people closest to "Well, these are the people closest to "Well, these are the people closest to the problem. They understand that this the problem. They understand that this the problem. They understand that this could be very high risk and that we need could be very high risk and that we need could be very high risk and that we need to put guard rails on it." So, I will to put guard rails on it." So, I will to put guard rails on it." So, I will remind you what they're not telling you remind you what they're not telling you remind you what they're not telling you is that Chinese open source models is that Chinese open source models is that Chinese open source models already exist. The cat is already out of already exist. The cat is already out of already exist. The cat is already out of the bag. And so, you're not going to be the bag. And so, you're not going to be the bag. And so, you're not going to be able to stop people from accessing these able to stop people from accessing these able to stop people from accessing these tools. So, when you say we need to put tools. So, when you say we need to put tools. So, when you say we need to put guard rails on this, who are you trying guard rails on this, who are you trying guard rails on this, who are you trying to help? Exactly. Now, the punchline to help? Exactly. Now, the punchline to help? Exactly. Now, the punchline becomes you're trying to help Anthropic becomes you're trying to help Anthropic becomes you're trying to help Anthropic or you're trying to help OpenAI. are or you're trying to help OpenAI. are or you're trying to help OpenAI. are trying to use regulation not to keep trying to use regulation not to keep trying to use regulation not to keep people safe because it won't work. It's people safe because it won't work. It's people safe because it won't work. It's like saying um I'm going to put all like saying um I'm going to put all like saying um I'm going to put all kinds of restrictions on the weapons kinds of restrictions on the weapons kinds of restrictions on the weapons that I can use knowing that there is that I can use knowing that there is that I can use knowing that there is another weapons manufacturer that's just another weapons manufacturer that's just another weapons manufacturer that's just handing out their weapons like candy to handing out their weapons like candy to handing out their weapons like candy to anybody who wants them for free. So it's anybody who wants them for free. So it's anybody who wants them for free. So it's like are we really making the world like are we really making the world like are we really making the world safer? Now we can all certainly say I safer? Now we can all certainly say I safer? Now we can all certainly say I wish I wasn't in the world where these wish I wasn't in the world where these wish I wasn't in the world where these weapons existed. That is a very weapons existed. That is a very weapons existed. That is a very reasonable lament. But again, you are in reasonable lament. But again, you are in reasonable lament. But again, you are in a world where they exist. And so now as a world where they exist. And so now as a world where they exist. And so now as OpenAI goes ham, what are they really OpenAI goes ham, what are they really OpenAI goes ham, what are they really protecting? Are they actually protecting protecting? Are they actually protecting protecting? Are they actually protecting the world from safety or are they the world from safety or are they the world from safety or are they putting limitations so that they can putting limitations so that they can putting limitations so that they can protect at least here in America they protect at least here in America they protect at least here in America they can protect their share price? And so I can protect their share price? And so I can protect their share price? And so I will make the case that they are doing will make the case that they are doing will make the case that they are doing everything they can to protect their everything they can to protect their everything they can to protect their share price. How do I know? Okay, the share price. How do I know? Okay, the share price. How do I know? Okay, the game of regulatory capture works like game of regulatory capture works like game of regulatory capture works like this. regulations become incredibly this. regulations become incredibly this. regulations become incredibly ownorous. Meaning there's a whole lot of ownorous. Meaning there's a whole lot of ownorous. Meaning there's a whole lot of very difficult and read by difficulty very difficult and read by difficulty very difficult and read by difficulty expensive. There's a whole lot of very expensive. There's a whole lot of very expensive. There's a whole lot of very expensive things that you need to do in expensive things that you need to do in expensive things that you need to do in order to um comply. And so what will order to um comply. And so what will order to um comply. And so what will happen is you get this young startup, happen is you get this young startup, happen is you get this young startup, they are the maverick. They do all the they are the maverick. They do all the they are the maverick. They do all the crazy stuff. They're down in the dirt. crazy stuff. They're down in the dirt. crazy stuff. They're down in the dirt. They're grinding. They're attracting the They're grinding. They're attracting the They're grinding. They're attracting the best talent. They've got this big best talent. They've got this big best talent. They've got this big vision. They're getting everybody vision. They're getting everybody vision. They're getting everybody excited. And they do the impossible. And excited. And they do the impossible. And excited. And they do the impossible. And they build a company that's just growing they build a company that's just growing they build a company that's just growing fast. and Anthropics revenue is growing fast. and Anthropics revenue is growing fast. and Anthropics revenue is growing fast. We're going to hear a little bit fast. We're going to hear a little bit fast. We're going to hear a little bit about this when we get to David Saxs. about this when we get to David Saxs. about this when we get to David Saxs. So, they're growing fast. Very exciting So, they're growing fast. Very exciting So, they're growing fast. Very exciting times ahead. However, times ahead. However, times ahead. However, by getting the regulation and by being by getting the regulation and by being by getting the regulation and by being the company that has the fast growing the company that has the fast growing the company that has the fast growing revenues, you become the company that revenues, you become the company that revenues, you become the company that can afford to comply. And now, of can afford to comply. And now, of can afford to comply. And now, of course, in the name of safety, which it course, in the name of safety, which it course, in the name of safety, which it always comes in the name of safety. In always comes in the name of safety. In always comes in the name of safety. In the name of safety, you get all these the name of safety, you get all these the name of safety, you get all these regulations put in place that end up regulations put in place that end up regulations put in place that end up keeping out who you were five or six keeping out who you were five or six keeping out who you were five or six years ago, the young upstart just trying years ago, the young upstart just trying years ago, the young upstart just trying to get things going and trying to get to get things going and trying to get to get things going and trying to get things off the ground. So, this would be things off the ground. So, this would be things off the ground. So, this would be the equivalent. So, at Quest, we're the equivalent. So, at Quest, we're the equivalent. So, at Quest, we're building that, right? We do a thing that building that, right? We do a thing that building that, right? We do a thing that nobody's done. like we've done this nobody's done. like we've done this nobody's done. like we've done this incredibly difficult thing of finding a incredibly difficult thing of finding a incredibly difficult thing of finding a way to manufacture these products to way to manufacture these products to way to manufacture these products to make sure that they can be made without make sure that they can be made without make sure that they can be made without having sugar in them but taste like they having sugar in them but taste like they having sugar in them but taste like they have sugar. Now imagine that I went have sugar. Now imagine that I went have sugar. Now imagine that I went around and started campaigning saying around and started campaigning saying around and started campaigning saying listen we did it but the process of listen we did it but the process of listen we did it but the process of making this equipment is very dangerous. making this equipment is very dangerous. making this equipment is very dangerous. You you just cannot let a whole bunch of You you just cannot let a whole bunch of You you just cannot let a whole bunch of people own this equipment. It's way too people own this equipment. It's way too people own this equipment. It's way too risky. The product that you're making is risky. The product that you're making is risky. The product that you're making is way too powerful. And so listen, just to way too powerful. And so listen, just to way too powerful. And so listen, just to keep everybody safe, and I'm the one keep everybody safe, and I'm the one keep everybody safe, and I'm the one that close to this. I know how dangerous that close to this. I know how dangerous that close to this. I know how dangerous these things are. So to make sure that these things are. So to make sure that these things are. So to make sure that this new technology that is so this new technology that is so this new technology that is so high-risisk and so dangerous is only high-risisk and so dangerous is only high-risisk and so dangerous is only used for good, let's make sure that we used for good, let's make sure that we used for good, let's make sure that we have regulators that come in that are have regulators that come in that are have regulators that come in that are able to make sure that everything is able to make sure that everything is able to make sure that everything is being done right, that you've got all being done right, that you've got all being done right, that you've got all these checks and balances on the product these checks and balances on the product these checks and balances on the product that's being output just to make sure that's being output just to make sure that's being output just to make sure that everybody's safe. And so now let's that everybody's safe. And so now let's that everybody's safe. And so now let's say that we make the startup cost of a say that we make the startup cost of a say that we make the startup cost of a business dramatically more expensive in business dramatically more expensive in business dramatically more expensive in just nominal raw terms. So it maybe now just nominal raw terms. So it maybe now just nominal raw terms. So it maybe now it's $10 million to get off the ground. it's $10 million to get off the ground. it's $10 million to get off the ground. Now for a company of Quest size or for a Now for a company of Quest size or for a Now for a company of Quest size or for a company of anthropic size that is quite company of anthropic size that is quite company of anthropic size that is quite literally chump change. But when we were literally chump change. But when we were literally chump change. But when we were starting that would have been the starting that would have been the starting that would have been the difference between being able to do it difference between being able to do it difference between being able to do it and not being able to do it. And so now and not being able to do it. And so now and not being able to do it. And so now you just kill off all of this you just kill off all of this you just kill off all of this innovation. And the innovation often innovation. And the innovation often innovation. And the innovation often comes from those small companies that comes from those small companies that comes from those small companies that have a dream. They have a vision. have a dream. They have a vision. have a dream. They have a vision. They're able to attract talent who is They're able to attract talent who is They're able to attract talent who is very frustrated with the state of the very frustrated with the state of the very frustrated with the state of the world. And they harness that frustration world. And they harness that frustration world. And they harness that frustration to create something not backed by a lot to create something not backed by a lot to create something not backed by a lot of dollars, but backed by insights, of dollars, but backed by insights, of dollars, but backed by insights, backed by a willingness to work, to try backed by a willingness to work, to try backed by a willingness to work, to try new things, that you don't have all of new things, that you don't have all of new things, that you don't have all of that infrastructure slowing you down or that infrastructure slowing you down or that infrastructure slowing you down or dragging you down. And so innovation dragging you down. And so innovation dragging you down. And so innovation often comes from the new person. It often comes from the new person. It often comes from the new person. It doesn't come from the incumbent. And doesn't come from the incumbent. And doesn't come from the incumbent. And when you look at how these big leaps of when you look at how these big leaps of when you look at how these big leaps of innovation move the world forward, it's innovation move the world forward, it's innovation move the world forward, it's often that the old company becomes often that the old company becomes often that the old company becomes stodgy. Everything becomes um calcified. stodgy. Everything becomes um calcified. stodgy. Everything becomes um calcified. They're not nimble anymore. And it's They're not nimble anymore. And it's They're not nimble anymore. And it's these new upstarts. And so regulatory these new upstarts. And so regulatory these new upstarts. And so regulatory capture is designed to kill all of the capture is designed to kill all of the capture is designed to kill all of the new upstarts in the cradle. And that's new upstarts in the cradle. And that's new upstarts in the cradle. And that's how you end up not having innovation. how you end up not having innovation. how you end up not having innovation. Now, if they were actually going to be Now, if they were actually going to be Now, if they were actually going to be able to deliver safety, I might feel able to deliver safety, I might feel able to deliver safety, I might feel very differently about this, but for the very differently about this, but for the very differently about this, but for the reasons that I've already explained, reasons that I've already explained, reasons that I've already explained, they won't be able to deliver the they won't be able to deliver the they won't be able to deliver the safety, but they will be able to kill safety, but they will be able to kill safety, but they will be able to kill off the people that are trying to unseat off the people that are trying to unseat off the people that are trying to unseat them. And so, that's why people should them. And so, that's why people should them. And so, that's why people should be grossed out in the extreme whenever be grossed out in the extreme whenever be grossed out in the extreme whenever you hear somebody banging the drum and you hear somebody banging the drum and you hear somebody banging the drum and saying, "Oh, we've got to protect saying, "Oh, we've got to protect saying, "Oh, we've got to protect people. We've got to get all this people. We've got to get all this people. We've got to get all this regulation." That doesn't mean you want regulation." That doesn't mean you want regulation." That doesn't mean you want zero regulation. I certainly do not. I zero regulation. I certainly do not. I zero regulation. I certainly do not. I want some regulation. I think that want some regulation. I think that want some regulation. I think that that's very smart, but you're going to that's very smart, but you're going to that's very smart, but you're going to get very rapidly into heavy-handed get very rapidly into heavy-handed get very rapidly into heavy-handed stuff. Okay. Uh David Saxs, AISAR, very stuff. Okay. Uh David Saxs, AISAR, very stuff. Okay. Uh David Saxs, AISAR, very successful entrepreneurs, one of the successful entrepreneurs, one of the successful entrepreneurs, one of the most successful operators of our time. most successful operators of our time. most successful operators of our time. And I very specifically say operator And I very specifically say operator And I very specifically say operator because operating a business is because operating a business is because operating a business is ridiculously difficult. So being able to ridiculously difficult. So being able to ridiculously difficult. So being able to start, scale, uh successfully exit start, scale, uh successfully exit start, scale, uh successfully exit multiple companies, this guy is in like multiple companies, this guy is in like multiple companies, this guy is in like absolutely rarified air. I was so absolutely rarified air. I was so absolutely rarified air. I was so excited when he became the AISAR. excited when he became the AISAR. excited when he became the AISAR. I've explained my thoughts on this. I'm I've explained my thoughts on this. I'm I've explained my thoughts on this. I'm out over my skis on this one, but I out over my skis on this one, but I out over my skis on this one, but I think given that the messaging on AI think given that the messaging on AI think given that the messaging on AI starting to shift to Scott Besson, I starting to shift to Scott Besson, I starting to shift to Scott Besson, I think David Saxs, who is a voice of think David Saxs, who is a voice of think David Saxs, who is a voice of reason in my opinion, is being pushed to reason in my opinion, is being pushed to reason in my opinion, is being pushed to the outskirts the outskirts the outskirts and the Trump administration is going to and the Trump administration is going to and the Trump administration is going to fall for all the regulatory capture fall for all the regulatory capture fall for all the regulatory capture stuff. Um, but anyway, this is what stuff. Um, but anyway, this is what stuff. Um, but anyway, this is what David Saxs had to say uh about that. He David Saxs had to say uh about that. He David Saxs had to say uh about that. He put out a tweet and it reads, "It's true put out a tweet and it reads, "It's true put out a tweet and it reads, "It's true that Anthropic is the fastest growing that Anthropic is the fastest growing that Anthropic is the fastest growing company that Silicon Valley has ever company that Silicon Valley has ever company that Silicon Valley has ever seen." Crazy. Uh which is all the mo all seen." Crazy. Uh which is all the mo all seen." Crazy. Uh which is all the mo all the more reason their incessant attempts the more reason their incessant attempts the more reason their incessant attempts at regulatory capture are not just at regulatory capture are not just at regulatory capture are not just unnecessary but frankly gross. So when unnecessary but frankly gross. So when unnecessary but frankly gross. So when you have somebody that has done this you have somebody that has done this you have somebody that has done this over and over and over and is now at over and over and over and is now at over and over and over and is now at this stage in his career lending his this stage in his career lending his this stage in his career lending his very significant talents to the very significant talents to the very significant talents to the government to say listen this is a game government to say listen this is a game government to say listen this is a game that we see play out all the time and that we see play out all the time and that we see play out all the time and we've all said this is a bad thing and we've all said this is a bad thing and we've all said this is a bad thing and now yet it's being used once again to now yet it's being used once again to now yet it's being used once again to squash small companies in favor of the squash small companies in favor of the squash small companies in favor of the big companies on the single most big companies on the single most big companies on the single most important technology the world has ever important technology the world has ever important technology the world has ever seen. Uh this gets to be in my seen. Uh this gets to be in my seen. Uh this gets to be in my estimation very problematic. estimation very problematic. estimation very problematic. It's unfortunate too because we were It's unfortunate too because we were It's unfortunate too because we were joking before we started like you really joking before we started like you really joking before we started like you really start off as the hero and live long start off as the hero and live long start off as the hero and live long enough to see yourself turned into the enough to see yourself turned into the enough to see yourself turned into the villain because it was so there's so villain because it was so there's so villain because it was so there's so much excitement and even the people that much excitement and even the people that much excitement and even the people that were pessimistic about AI there was were pessimistic about AI there was were pessimistic about AI there was still like okay at least it's a better still like okay at least it's a better still like okay at least it's a better search engine you know there was at search engine you know there was at search engine you know there was at least like okay it's cool it's not going least like okay it's cool it's not going least like okay it's cool it's not going to be this robots are coming everywhere to be this robots are coming everywhere to be this robots are coming everywhere but it's at least going to replace but it's at least going to replace but it's at least going to replace Google but then we just start to see Google but then we just start to see Google but then we just start to see like slowly but slowly they're starting like slowly but slowly they're starting like slowly but slowly they're starting to do more things that seem more to do more things that seem more to do more things that seem more malicious than actually with good intent malicious than actually with good intent malicious than actually with good intent for example one of the things that for example one of the things that for example one of the things that they're parading um about with Chinese they're parading um about with Chinese they're parading um about with Chinese models is how they're stealing the IP models is how they're stealing the IP models is how they're stealing the IP and then a lot of people are now saying and then a lot of people are now saying and then a lot of people are now saying well that's kind of ironic for you know well that's kind of ironic for you know well that's kind of ironic for you know LLM to say because you stole all the IP LLM to say because you stole all the IP LLM to say because you stole all the IP of the internet ever. So it's kind of of the internet ever. So it's kind of of the internet ever. So it's kind of like like like >> I can do it but when you do it to me >> I can do it but when you do it to me >> I can do it but when you do it to me it's wrong. it's wrong. it's wrong. >> Yeah, I I get the argument and it it is >> Yeah, I I get the argument and it it is >> Yeah, I I get the argument and it it is an argument that is worth having. There an argument that is worth having. There an argument that is worth having. There will be people that will be able to will be people that will be able to will be people that will be able to debate on both sides on that one. And I debate on both sides on that one. And I debate on both sides on that one. And I find myself coming down on the other find myself coming down on the other find myself coming down on the other side of that. Yes, we do need to protect side of that. Yes, we do need to protect side of that. Yes, we do need to protect IP and yes, China has a long-standing IP and yes, China has a long-standing IP and yes, China has a long-standing history of doing this. They know they're history of doing this. They know they're history of doing this. They know they're violating their terms, which is violating their terms, which is violating their terms, which is precisely why they're spinning up fake precisely why they're spinning up fake precisely why they're spinning up fake accounts, tens of thousands of fake accounts, tens of thousands of fake accounts, tens of thousands of fake accounts to go and do it. And so this accounts to go and do it. And so this accounts to go and do it. And so this comes down to like uh when wow, we never comes down to like uh when wow, we never comes down to like uh when wow, we never ended up getting to cover this, which ended up getting to cover this, which ended up getting to cover this, which makes me very sad. There are so many makes me very sad. There are so many makes me very sad. There are so many things at the fringes uh I want to start things at the fringes uh I want to start things at the fringes uh I want to start pushing more to to cover in the show. pushing more to to cover in the show. pushing more to to cover in the show. But one thing that happened in the anime But one thing that happened in the anime But one thing that happened in the anime community was there were these um guys community was there were these um guys community was there were these um guys that were running an anime pirate site that were running an anime pirate site that were running an anime pirate site and the pirate site got shut down. The and the pirate site got shut down. The and the pirate site got shut down. The guys got arrested. I I don't remember if guys got arrested. I I don't remember if guys got arrested. I I don't remember if they were in Vietnam or somewhere but they were in Vietnam or somewhere but they were in Vietnam or somewhere but somewhere in East Asia and it got shut somewhere in East Asia and it got shut somewhere in East Asia and it got shut down and the anime community was down and the anime community was down and the anime community was basically on the side of free those basically on the side of free those basically on the side of free those guys. They they were only doing guys. They they were only doing guys. They they were only doing something good. Now, those same people something good. Now, those same people something good. Now, those same people are going to make all kinds of noise and are going to make all kinds of noise and are going to make all kinds of noise and freak the [ __ ] out when they hear that freak the [ __ ] out when they hear that freak the [ __ ] out when they hear that Japanese animation companies are abusing Japanese animation companies are abusing Japanese animation companies are abusing their workers and not paying them their workers and not paying them their workers and not paying them enough. Well, guess why? Because there's enough. Well, guess why? Because there's enough. Well, guess why? Because there's no money. There's not enough money in no money. There's not enough money in no money. There's not enough money in this. Guess why? Because people pirate this. Guess why? Because people pirate this. Guess why? Because people pirate the [ __ ] And so, people want to watch the [ __ ] And so, people want to watch the [ __ ] And so, people want to watch it and they just go watch it for free. it and they just go watch it for free. it and they just go watch it for free. And the whole community celebrates the And the whole community celebrates the And the whole community celebrates the people that get a hold of the IP for people that get a hold of the IP for people that get a hold of the IP for free, build their own company, make free, build their own company, make free, build their own company, make money off the back of these guys that money off the back of these guys that money off the back of these guys that are working their nuts off in Japan to are working their nuts off in Japan to are working their nuts off in Japan to the point where like they were really the point where like they were really the point where like they were really breaking the mentality of some people. breaking the mentality of some people. breaking the mentality of some people. There was one like maybe five or six There was one like maybe five or six There was one like maybe five or six years ago where the guy goes in and years ago where the guy goes in and years ago where the guy goes in and basically burns the entire studio down, basically burns the entire studio down, basically burns the entire studio down, kills I forget how many people that kills I forget how many people that kills I forget how many people that couldn't get out couldn't get out couldn't get out >> because he was just so frazzled, so >> because he was just so frazzled, so >> because he was just so frazzled, so taken advantage of in his mind. And so taken advantage of in his mind. And so taken advantage of in his mind. And so it's like, okay, wait, which side are it's like, okay, wait, which side are it's like, okay, wait, which side are you on? Because at some point this stuff you on? Because at some point this stuff you on? Because at some point this stuff has to make money. You, dear person at has to make money. You, dear person at has to make money. You, dear person at home, won't work for free. There in lies home, won't work for free. There in lies home, won't work for free. There in lies the problem. These things have to make the problem. These things have to make the problem. These things have to make money. And so we can get into all the money. And so we can get into all the money. And so we can get into all the asinine [ __ ] about the DSA saying asinine [ __ ] about the DSA saying asinine [ __ ] about the DSA saying nobody has the right to double digit nobody has the right to double digit nobody has the right to double digit profit margins. [ __ ] you do not profit margins. [ __ ] you do not profit margins. [ __ ] you do not know what the right profit margin is. know what the right profit margin is. know what the right profit margin is. This is why you let the free market do This is why you let the free market do This is why you let the free market do it. And if nobody wants anime, then [ __ ] it. And if nobody wants anime, then [ __ ] it. And if nobody wants anime, then [ __ ] them. They're going to go out of them. They're going to go out of them. They're going to go out of business. But when you're cheering for business. But when you're cheering for business. But when you're cheering for the guy that's stealing the IP and the guy that's stealing the IP and the guy that's stealing the IP and lamenting the person that's not getting lamenting the person that's not getting lamenting the person that's not getting paid enough for making it, it's like, paid enough for making it, it's like, paid enough for making it, it's like, what the [ __ ] are we talking about? So, what the [ __ ] are we talking about? So, what the [ __ ] are we talking about? So, it just gets so [ __ ] so fast. So, it just gets so [ __ ] so fast. So, it just gets so [ __ ] so fast. So, you've got Anthropic making a thing. And you've got Anthropic making a thing. And you've got Anthropic making a thing. And they say, if you would like to use this they say, if you would like to use this they say, if you would like to use this thing, here are our terms of service. If thing, here are our terms of service. If thing, here are our terms of service. If you adhere to them, use away. If you you adhere to them, use away. If you you adhere to them, use away. If you don't adhere to them and you were using don't adhere to them and you were using don't adhere to them and you were using it to distill our model and make it to distill our model and make it to distill our model and make something else, you have violated our something else, you have violated our something else, you have violated our terms. That's against the law. You can't terms. That's against the law. You can't terms. That's against the law. You can't do that. And so China has a very do that. And so China has a very do that. And so China has a very long-standing wellocumented history of long-standing wellocumented history of long-standing wellocumented history of doing exactly that. And they will go, doing exactly that. And they will go, doing exactly that. And they will go, "Oh, you want us to make your insert "Oh, you want us to make your insert "Oh, you want us to make your insert whatever thing is." Cool. We're going to whatever thing is." Cool. We're going to whatever thing is." Cool. We're going to do that. Send over all of your uh do that. Send over all of your uh do that. Send over all of your uh breakdowns of the description and all breakdowns of the description and all breakdowns of the description and all that and we're going to go do the thing. that and we're going to go do the thing. that and we're going to go do the thing. Now, Now, Now, once they get it, they then spin up once they get it, they then spin up once they get it, they then spin up their own version of it. Now, if you their own version of it. Now, if you their own version of it. Now, if you really want to compare what's going on really want to compare what's going on really want to compare what's going on with the AI companies that you can like with the AI companies that you can like with the AI companies that you can like really go after them for, because I really go after them for, because I really go after them for, because I don't think it is learning from the don't think it is learning from the don't think it is learning from the entire corpus of human knowledge, all entire corpus of human knowledge, all entire corpus of human knowledge, all humans do that. We're totally fine when humans do that. We're totally fine when humans do that. We're totally fine when humans do it and we are somehow not fine humans do it and we are somehow not fine humans do it and we are somehow not fine when AI does it and then gives us back when AI does it and then gives us back when AI does it and then gives us back the ability to use that. That one seems the ability to use that. That one seems the ability to use that. That one seems crazy to me. But the one that seems crazy to me. But the one that seems crazy to me. But the one that seems legitimate is you've got these guys legitimate is you've got these guys legitimate is you've got these guys spinning up um the distillation models spinning up um the distillation models spinning up um the distillation models and they're learning all of that and and they're learning all of that and and they're learning all of that and you've got AI basically um trying to you've got AI basically um trying to you've got AI basically um trying to stop everybody from being able to use stop everybody from being able to use stop everybody from being able to use open- source models. That to me is some open- source models. That to me is some open- source models. That to me is some [ __ ] It's like, hey, if somebody's [ __ ] It's like, hey, if somebody's [ __ ] It's like, hey, if somebody's able to build an open source model and able to build an open source model and able to build an open source model and you're trying to use regulatory capture you're trying to use regulatory capture you're trying to use regulatory capture to shut them down, all right, that's to shut them down, all right, that's to shut them down, all right, that's ass. That's somebody that's trying to ass. That's somebody that's trying to ass. That's somebody that's trying to build walls to stop anybody else from build walls to stop anybody else from build walls to stop anybody else from being able to do what they're doing. being able to do what they're doing. being able to do what they're doing. That doesn't make any sense to me. That doesn't make any sense to me. That doesn't make any sense to me. >> Can I play devil's advocate, >> Can I play devil's advocate, >> Can I play devil's advocate, >> please? >> please? >> please? >> I feel like China just out capitalism >> I feel like China just out capitalism >> I feel like China just out capitalism anthropic. Okay, terms and condition. I anthropic. Okay, terms and condition. I anthropic. Okay, terms and condition. I can make an account. Cool. You didn't can make an account. Cool. You didn't can make an account. Cool. You didn't say I could make 10,000 accounts and I say I could make 10,000 accounts and I say I could make 10,000 accounts and I felt like they found their gap and now felt like they found their gap and now felt like they found their gap and now they're like monopolizing on it. And I they're like monopolizing on it. And I they're like monopolizing on it. And I think that anthropic is a little butt think that anthropic is a little butt think that anthropic is a little butt hurt because they thought that they can hurt because they thought that they can hurt because they thought that they can monopolize on anybody. I can steal a monopolize on anybody. I can steal a monopolize on anybody. I can steal a little bit of your books. I'm not little bit of your books. I'm not little bit of your books. I'm not stealing the whole book. And now people stealing the whole book. And now people stealing the whole book. And now people are stealing their stuff and now they are stealing their stuff and now they are stealing their stuff and now they feel a type of way. feel a type of way. feel a type of way. >> Well, so if you think about uh an open >> Well, so if you think about uh an open >> Well, so if you think about uh an open source model being built in a similar source model being built in a similar source model being built in a similar way that a frontier model is being way that a frontier model is being way that a frontier model is being built, I love that. That's awesome. built, I love that. That's awesome. built, I love that. That's awesome. Nobody should be trying to shut that Nobody should be trying to shut that Nobody should be trying to shut that model down. Uh if however I make model down. Uh if however I make model down. Uh if however I make something and uh in fact going back to something and uh in fact going back to something and uh in fact going back to the um the um the um another thing that AI is doing that I another thing that AI is doing that I another thing that AI is doing that I think you can compare directly that's think you can compare directly that's think you can compare directly that's just like a non-starter is that just like a non-starter is that just like a non-starter is that >> when like I forget which apps it was >> when like I forget which apps it was >> when like I forget which apps it was Slack it's one of those like that I Slack it's one of those like that I Slack it's one of those like that I don't think it was but Figma thank you don't think it was but Figma thank you don't think it was but Figma thank you so Figma is using AI AI is sucking all so Figma is using AI AI is sucking all so Figma is using AI AI is sucking all their data away from them and now their data away from them and now their data away from them and now building a competitor to Figma that's building a competitor to Figma that's building a competitor to Figma that's ass that should not be allowed that [ __ ] ass that should not be allowed that [ __ ] ass that should not be allowed that [ __ ] should be shut immediately we all know should be shut immediately we all know should be shut immediately we all know exactly what they're doing. So that one exactly what they're doing. So that one exactly what they're doing. So that one to me is like [ __ ] bad form in the to me is like [ __ ] bad form in the to me is like [ __ ] bad form in the extreme. So those to me are direct extreme. So those to me are direct extreme. So those to me are direct parallels. But when you go these are our parallels. But when you go these are our parallels. But when you go these are our terms of service, you're using it in a terms of service, you're using it in a terms of service, you're using it in a way that you are trying specifically to way that you are trying specifically to way that you are trying specifically to steal my IP. I think that's bad mojo. steal my IP. I think that's bad mojo. steal my IP. I think that's bad mojo. Now if they were able to like trying to Now if they were able to like trying to Now if they were able to like trying to make a car analogy, like if you're able make a car analogy, like if you're able make a car analogy, like if you're able to get a car, break it apart, look at to get a car, break it apart, look at to get a car, break it apart, look at it, and go, "Okay, cool. I now it, and go, "Okay, cool. I now it, and go, "Okay, cool. I now understand the engineering. you're not understand the engineering. you're not understand the engineering. you're not violating any patents and you go do it violating any patents and you go do it violating any patents and you go do it yourself. Okay, great. That I get. But yourself. Okay, great. That I get. But yourself. Okay, great. That I get. But this is quite literally saying, I'm this is quite literally saying, I'm this is quite literally saying, I'm going to let you train the model, which going to let you train the model, which going to let you train the model, which is very expensive, and then I'm going to is very expensive, and then I'm going to is very expensive, and then I'm going to learn off of its back specifically to learn off of its back specifically to learn off of its back specifically to make something I wouldn't be able to make something I wouldn't be able to make something I wouldn't be able to make without that existing, and it make without that existing, and it make without that existing, and it violates your terms of service. So, violates your terms of service. So, violates your terms of service. So, that's where it's like that becomes that's where it's like that becomes that's where it's like that becomes parasitic in my opinion because of all parasitic in my opinion because of all parasitic in my opinion because of all the cash investments that they had to the cash investments that they had to the cash investments that they had to make to make the first one. And so make to make the first one. And so make to make the first one. And so you'll end up actually, it'll be you'll end up actually, it'll be you'll end up actually, it'll be interesting to see if you fundamentally interesting to see if you fundamentally interesting to see if you fundamentally break the technology and just stall us break the technology and just stall us break the technology and just stall us out because if it becomes something out because if it becomes something out because if it becomes something where no one can afford to make the where no one can afford to make the where no one can afford to make the frontier models because they just frontier models because they just frontier models because they just immediately get undercut by open source immediately get undercut by open source immediately get undercut by open source models that are illegally trained on models that are illegally trained on models that are illegally trained on them, them, them, then now it's like our progress is going then now it's like our progress is going then now it's like our progress is going to stall. It might not stop because you to stall. It might not stop because you to stall. It might not stop because you still have a lot of algorithmic juice still have a lot of algorithmic juice still have a lot of algorithmic juice that you can squeeze out of it. Um, but that you can squeeze out of it. Um, but that you can squeeze out of it. Um, but I think that all of us, well, anybody I think that all of us, well, anybody I think that all of us, well, anybody that wants to see AI continue to that wants to see AI continue to that wants to see AI continue to advance, which I do, and I know that advance, which I do, and I know that advance, which I do, and I know that many people do not. many people do not. many people do not. >> Um, but if you want AI to continue to >> Um, but if you want AI to continue to >> Um, but if you want AI to continue to advance, you want to make sure that advance, you want to make sure that advance, you want to make sure that there actually is a financial avenue there actually is a financial avenue there actually is a financial avenue because people won't do it if they have because people won't do it if they have because people won't do it if they have to work for free to work for free to work for free >> and just the chips. >> and just the chips. >> and just the chips. >> No, I don't know. But I >> No, I don't know. But I >> No, I don't know. But I >> I could use another example. It's like >> I could use another example. It's like >> I could use another example. It's like the fashion industry, right? So, Coach the fashion industry, right? So, Coach the fashion industry, right? So, Coach came up with like the really big baggy came up with like the really big baggy came up with like the really big baggy pants that Kendrick wore on the Super pants that Kendrick wore on the Super pants that Kendrick wore on the Super Bowl. Bowl. Bowl. >> That started the new trend of the very >> That started the new trend of the very >> That started the new trend of the very big baggy pants that everybody's big baggy pants that everybody's big baggy pants that everybody's wearing. And then you go to American wearing. And then you go to American wearing. And then you go to American Eagle, Sheen, Aerero Pastel. It's their Eagle, Sheen, Aerero Pastel. It's their Eagle, Sheen, Aerero Pastel. It's their version of the big baggy pants. So I version of the big baggy pants. So I version of the big baggy pants. So I think fashion is a great indicator of think fashion is a great indicator of think fashion is a great indicator of like Louis Vuitton customized the bag like Louis Vuitton customized the bag like Louis Vuitton customized the bag and now everybody has a all over print and now everybody has a all over print and now everybody has a all over print duffel bag. Like there are these one duffel bag. Like there are these one duffel bag. Like there are these one frontier company does it and then other frontier company does it and then other frontier company does it and then other companies take their iteration of it and companies take their iteration of it and companies take their iteration of it and they make sub companies from that. they make sub companies from that. they make sub companies from that. >> I totally hear what you're saying. >> I totally hear what you're saying. >> I totally hear what you're saying. >> Yeah. If if I'm mixing that up, let me >> Yeah. If if I'm mixing that up, let me >> Yeah. If if I'm mixing that up, let me know. But I feel like other industries, know. But I feel like other industries, know. But I feel like other industries, why is AI special? why is AI special? why is AI special? >> Here's why. Here's what the difference >> Here's why. Here's what the difference >> Here's why. Here's what the difference is. I'm going to use a survival crafting is. I'm going to use a survival crafting is. I'm going to use a survival crafting game, which I'm sure will surprise game, which I'm sure will surprise game, which I'm sure will surprise nobody. I'm going to use a survival nobody. I'm going to use a survival nobody. I'm going to use a survival crafting game as an example of why this crafting game as an example of why this crafting game as an example of why this matters. Okay, so in a survival crafting matters. Okay, so in a survival crafting matters. Okay, so in a survival crafting game, you've got to go out and you've game, you've got to go out and you've game, you've got to go out and you've got to like do this insane work to get got to like do this insane work to get got to like do this insane work to get like specific objects that power a an like specific objects that power a an like specific objects that power a an ability, right? So, in Kaizen, we have ability, right? So, in Kaizen, we have ability, right? So, in Kaizen, we have this thing called a stair hack tool. So, this thing called a stair hack tool. So, this thing called a stair hack tool. So, um one thing that I both think is um one thing that I both think is um one thing that I both think is brilliant in Minecraft and you find brilliant in Minecraft and you find brilliant in Minecraft and you find annoying as the game progresses is you annoying as the game progresses is you annoying as the game progresses is you can build a staircase out of anything. can build a staircase out of anything. can build a staircase out of anything. So, you can go down, you can go up at So, you can go down, you can go up at So, you can go down, you can go up at any time. You're never going to be lost. any time. You're never going to be lost. any time. You're never going to be lost. You can always re get back to the You can always re get back to the You can always re get back to the surface or get all the way down to surface or get all the way down to surface or get all the way down to bedrock just by uh breaking the blocks bedrock just by uh breaking the blocks bedrock just by uh breaking the blocks in a in a certain way. And I was like, in a in a certain way. And I was like, in a in a certain way. And I was like, "Okay, cool. For early game, but later "Okay, cool. For early game, but later "Okay, cool. For early game, but later in the game, I want something where I in the game, I want something where I in the game, I want something where I can just be like three steps like can just be like three steps like can just be like three steps like instantaneously." instantaneously." instantaneously." >> And if you make that too easy, the game >> And if you make that too easy, the game >> And if you make that too easy, the game stops being fun. So, you need this hard stops being fun. So, you need this hard stops being fun. So, you need this hard thing that you have to go get to run the thing that you have to go get to run the thing that you have to go get to run the stair hack tool. Okay. Now, imagine that stair hack tool. Okay. Now, imagine that stair hack tool. Okay. Now, imagine that what you're doing. And I say, "Hey, you what you're doing. And I say, "Hey, you what you're doing. And I say, "Hey, you can buy my stair hack tool. You can can buy my stair hack tool. You can can buy my stair hack tool. You can break it apart. It's fine. and it's break it apart. It's fine. and it's break it apart. It's fine. and it's yours. But what you can't do is break it yours. But what you can't do is break it yours. But what you can't do is break it apart specifically to get the thing to apart specifically to get the thing to apart specifically to get the thing to now build a competitive tool. That's the now build a competitive tool. That's the now build a competitive tool. That's the one thing that we don't allow. You can one thing that we don't allow. You can one thing that we don't allow. You can buy all of that. You could extract it uh buy all of that. You could extract it uh buy all of that. You could extract it uh to have it for your own non-commercial to have it for your own non-commercial to have it for your own non-commercial purposes. This is like when you um purposes. This is like when you um purposes. This is like when you um create a broadcast of UFC and you say, create a broadcast of UFC and you say, create a broadcast of UFC and you say, "Hey, you can hold a watch party. You "Hey, you can hold a watch party. You "Hey, you can hold a watch party. You can't charge for it. can't charge for it. can't charge for it. >> Uh you also can't broadcast it broadly. >> Uh you also can't broadcast it broadly. >> Uh you also can't broadcast it broadly. So you can have people over to your So you can have people over to your So you can have people over to your house. You can let them watch it." Now, house. You can let them watch it." Now, house. You can let them watch it." Now, the reason that you do that is you've the reason that you do that is you've the reason that you do that is you've got to be able to create an appetite. got to be able to create an appetite. got to be able to create an appetite. You have to create a market. Otherwise, You have to create a market. Otherwise, You have to create a market. Otherwise, there's no financial viability. And so, there's no financial viability. And so, there's no financial viability. And so, for this thing to exist, you can't for this thing to exist, you can't for this thing to exist, you can't broadcast it out and then allow other broadcast it out and then allow other broadcast it out and then allow other people to broadcast it. And so, we people to broadcast it. And so, we people to broadcast it. And so, we literally have the FBI go track people literally have the FBI go track people literally have the FBI go track people down that did that and say, "You charged down that did that and say, "You charged down that did that and say, "You charged on the back of this thing or you gave on the back of this thing or you gave on the back of this thing or you gave this thing away that eroded the market this thing away that eroded the market this thing away that eroded the market and we don't allow that." and we don't allow that." and we don't allow that." >> Same idea. They did a really hard thing >> Same idea. They did a really hard thing >> Same idea. They did a really hard thing to make this thing exist, the the AI to make this thing exist, the the AI to make this thing exist, the the AI model to exist. If you want to use the model to exist. If you want to use the model to exist. If you want to use the AI model to learn, great. If you want to AI model to learn, great. If you want to AI model to learn, great. If you want to reverse engineer by asking it questions reverse engineer by asking it questions reverse engineer by asking it questions and figure out, oh, this is how this is and figure out, oh, this is how this is and figure out, oh, this is how this is all working and then you go build your all working and then you go build your all working and then you go build your own thing based on the engineering of own thing based on the engineering of own thing based on the engineering of how we have to get to this point, all how we have to get to this point, all how we have to get to this point, all great. But if you create something where great. But if you create something where great. But if you create something where it's like, I've imbued this with a it's like, I've imbued this with a it's like, I've imbued this with a really hard thing, a magical diamond in really hard thing, a magical diamond in really hard thing, a magical diamond in the center of it, and all you do is wait the center of it, and all you do is wait the center of it, and all you do is wait till I do the incredible hard part, till I do the incredible hard part, till I do the incredible hard part, which is actually mining it. You do the which is actually mining it. You do the which is actually mining it. You do the very easy part, disassembly, and now you very easy part, disassembly, and now you very easy part, disassembly, and now you have the same diamond. and now you're have the same diamond. and now you're have the same diamond. and now you're going to give that away for free because going to give that away for free because going to give that away for free because it was essentially free for you to it was essentially free for you to it was essentially free for you to extract it. Now you break the entire extract it. Now you break the entire extract it. Now you break the entire marketplace. And so what we have done marketplace. And so what we have done marketplace. And so what we have done historically with things like historically with things like historically with things like broadcasting the UFC is we say for the broadcasting the UFC is we say for the broadcasting the UFC is we say for the UFC to continue to exist, we are going UFC to continue to exist, we are going UFC to continue to exist, we are going to put the FBI on tracking people down to put the FBI on tracking people down to put the FBI on tracking people down that erode that market. Now for anybody that erode that market. Now for anybody that erode that market. Now for anybody that's communist or whatever that's like that's communist or whatever that's like that's communist or whatever that's like [ __ ] it, it should all be free. Um it's [ __ ] it, it should all be free. Um it's [ __ ] it, it should all be free. Um it's at least an argument and there's at least an argument and there's at least an argument and there's coherence to it. everything should be coherence to it. everything should be coherence to it. everything should be free. And it's like, yep, it will be and free. And it's like, yep, it will be and free. And it's like, yep, it will be and it will be nothing. You will get nothing it will be nothing. You will get nothing it will be nothing. You will get nothing for free. It'll all be free. It just be for free. It'll all be free. It just be for free. It'll all be free. It just be nothing because no one's going to go do nothing because no one's going to go do nothing because no one's going to go do the hard work of extracting that rare the hard work of extracting that rare the hard work of extracting that rare little [ __ ] diamond or whatever. So, little [ __ ] diamond or whatever. So, little [ __ ] diamond or whatever. So, we put what are artificial limitations we put what are artificial limitations we put what are artificial limitations on it because we want to protect that on it because we want to protect that on it because we want to protect that the marketplace exists so that there's the marketplace exists so that there's the marketplace exists so that there's incentive for people to do the brutally incentive for people to do the brutally incentive for people to do the brutally difficult thing. And one of the difficult thing. And one of the difficult thing. And one of the signatures of the modern era is that signatures of the modern era is that signatures of the modern era is that we've done such a good job of collecting we've done such a good job of collecting we've done such a good job of collecting the brutally difficult thing that people the brutally difficult thing that people the brutally difficult thing that people are now coming along and saying, "I are now coming along and saying, "I are now coming along and saying, "I don't see what the problem is. I own don't see what the problem is. I own don't see what the problem is. I own this [ __ ] thing. So, I'm going to this [ __ ] thing. So, I'm going to this [ __ ] thing. So, I'm going to strip it." Whether that's taxes, so I'm strip it." Whether that's taxes, so I'm strip it." Whether that's taxes, so I'm mom Donnie, you're in New York. You run mom Donnie, you're in New York. You run mom Donnie, you're in New York. You run a business. I should be able to tax you a business. I should be able to tax you a business. I should be able to tax you as much as I want. It's like, okay, but as much as I want. It's like, okay, but as much as I want. It's like, okay, but when you do that over time, you get less when you do that over time, you get less when you do that over time, you get less of what you tax. And so, you'll just get of what you tax. And so, you'll just get of what you tax. And so, you'll just get less entrepreneurs, but it will last less entrepreneurs, but it will last less entrepreneurs, but it will last long enough. you'll be able to drag that long enough. you'll be able to drag that long enough. you'll be able to drag that out long enough that by the time the out long enough that by the time the out long enough that by the time the city falls, no one's going to blame the city falls, no one's going to blame the city falls, no one's going to blame the original taxes. And so this is exactly original taxes. And so this is exactly original taxes. And so this is exactly what happened in the Bronx and people what happened in the Bronx and people what happened in the Bronx and people were burning buildings down because they were burning buildings down because they were burning buildings down because they froze rent and all that. We're still froze rent and all that. We're still froze rent and all that. We're still repeating the same mistake, which is repeating the same mistake, which is repeating the same mistake, which is [ __ ] crazy. But nonetheless, we get [ __ ] crazy. But nonetheless, we get [ __ ] crazy. But nonetheless, we get to a point where we've been able to live to a point where we've been able to live to a point where we've been able to live in a world where people do the hard in a world where people do the hard in a world where people do the hard extraction and they make the really cool extraction and they make the really cool extraction and they make the really cool things. We built all these insane data things. We built all these insane data things. We built all these insane data centers and put more money into data centers and put more money into data centers and put more money into data centers than we've ever put into centers than we've ever put into centers than we've ever put into anything. That is the the rare magical anything. That is the the rare magical anything. That is the the rare magical diamond that I'm talking about that they diamond that I'm talking about that they diamond that I'm talking about that they did. built the data centers, did the did. built the data centers, did the did. built the data centers, did the frontier model training, all of that, frontier model training, all of that, frontier model training, all of that, and now we've got somebody that's like, and now we've got somebody that's like, and now we've got somebody that's like, "Thank you for doing the really hard "Thank you for doing the really hard "Thank you for doing the really hard part, and now I'm just going to give it part, and now I'm just going to give it part, and now I'm just going to give it away for free." That will destroy the away for free." That will destroy the away for free." That will destroy the market. And so, if we're like, "Okay, market. And so, if we're like, "Okay, market. And so, if we're like, "Okay, well, [ __ ] it. We don't care." And we well, [ __ ] it. We don't care." And we well, [ __ ] it. We don't care." And we just want to dissipate AI and it's going just want to dissipate AI and it's going just want to dissipate AI and it's going to fizzle out and it'll just be whatever to fizzle out and it'll just be whatever to fizzle out and it'll just be whatever uh we've learned up to this point and, uh we've learned up to this point and, uh we've learned up to this point and, you know, that's that and we'll get some you know, that's that and we'll get some you know, that's that and we'll get some efficiencies out of it, but that's going efficiencies out of it, but that's going efficiencies out of it, but that's going to be the end of the game. um that you to be the end of the game. um that you to be the end of the game. um that you would be accepting that fate and it is a would be accepting that fate and it is a would be accepting that fate and it is a fate we don't accept anywhere else and fate we don't accept anywhere else and fate we don't accept anywhere else and now all of a sudden are accepting in the now all of a sudden are accepting in the now all of a sudden are accepting in the um AI field which I think would be a um AI field which I think would be a um AI field which I think would be a huge mistake that humanity will pay a huge mistake that humanity will pay a huge mistake that humanity will pay a gigantic price for. But for people that gigantic price for. But for people that gigantic price for. But for people that hate AI, I get why they'll they won't hate AI, I get why they'll they won't hate AI, I get why they'll they won't say the real thing which is I just want say the real thing which is I just want say the real thing which is I just want to see AI die. And so yes, we're going to see AI die. And so yes, we're going to see AI die. And so yes, we're going to strip mine these things and make sure to strip mine these things and make sure to strip mine these things and make sure that it's financially unviable. Um, but that it's financially unviable. Um, but that it's financially unviable. Um, but for reasons like protein folding, I for reasons like protein folding, I for reasons like protein folding, I don't want to see that happen. don't want to see that happen. don't want to see that happen. >> Um, we have the best chat in the in the >> Um, we have the best chat in the in the >> Um, we have the best chat in the in the internet and I want to like publicly internet and I want to like publicly internet and I want to like publicly like proclaim their greatness because like proclaim their greatness because like proclaim their greatness because Jensen Wong just released a open letter Jensen Wong just released a open letter Jensen Wong just released a open letter about open source. I'm reading this about open source. I'm reading this about open source. I'm reading this live. I looked at the last two live. I looked at the last two live. I looked at the last two paragraphs. I think this is where the paragraphs. I think this is where the paragraphs. I think this is where the juice is. There might be some more juice is. There might be some more juice is. There might be some more juice. I apologize. I am producing, juice. I apologize. I am producing, juice. I apologize. I am producing, listening, and reading at the same time, listening, and reading at the same time, listening, and reading at the same time, >> which is not easy. [laughter] >> which is not easy. [laughter] >> which is not easy. [laughter] Um but he said in fact openness may be Um but he said in fact openness may be Um but he said in fact openness may be the one important path to AI safety and the one important path to AI safety and the one important path to AI safety and security. Relying solely on closed security. Relying solely on closed security. Relying solely on closed models is not inherently safe. They can models is not inherently safe. They can models is not inherently safe. They can be breached, misused or fall or fail in be breached, misused or fall or fail in be breached, misused or fall or fail in ways that outsiders cannot detect. And ways that outsiders cannot detect. And ways that outsiders cannot detect. And concentrating advanced AI capabilities concentrating advanced AI capabilities concentrating advanced AI capabilities behind a small number of closed models behind a small number of closed models behind a small number of closed models compounds that risk. It results it compounds that risk. It results it compounds that risk. It results it results in a small number of single results in a small number of single results in a small number of single points of failure weakens competition points of failure weakens competition points of failure weakens competition and leaves critical technology in the and leaves critical technology in the and leaves critical technology in the hands of a few providers. Open weight hands of a few providers. Open weight hands of a few providers. Open weight models on the other hand allow a broad models on the other hand allow a broad models on the other hand allow a broad community of researchers and developers community of researchers and developers community of researchers and developers to examine their behavior, identify to examine their behavior, identify to examine their behavior, identify vulnerabilities, develop safeguards, and vulnerabilities, develop safeguards, and vulnerabilities, develop safeguards, and improve them over time. Just as open improve them over time. Just as open improve them over time. Just as open source software demonstrated that source software demonstrated that source software demonstrated that transparency can be more secure than transparency can be more secure than transparency can be more secure than obscurity, AI safety men depend on obscurity, AI safety men depend on obscurity, AI safety men depend on giving more people the ability to test giving more people the ability to test giving more people the ability to test and strengthen miles on which society and strengthen miles on which society and strengthen miles on which society relies, it allows for vigorous relies, it allows for vigorous relies, it allows for vigorous benchmarking and evaluation, red benchmarking and evaluation, red benchmarking and evaluation, red teaming, and protections tied to real teaming, and protections tied to real teaming, and protections tied to real and demonstrated harm rather than and demonstrated harm rather than and demonstrated harm rather than assuming that closed miles closed assuming that closed miles closed assuming that closed miles closed systems are safer by default. Um, last systems are safer by default. Um, last systems are safer by default. Um, last thing, a safe AI ecosystem is not a thing, a safe AI ecosystem is not a thing, a safe AI ecosystem is not a foregone conclusion. Policy makers have foregone conclusion. Policy makers have foregone conclusion. Policy makers have an important opportunity to act. This an important opportunity to act. This an important opportunity to act. This includes expanding access to compute for includes expanding access to compute for includes expanding access to compute for startups and researchers, investing in startups and researchers, investing in startups and researchers, investing in shared training assets, data sets, shared training assets, data sets, shared training assets, data sets, tools, evaluation frameworks, and tools, evaluation frameworks, and tools, evaluation frameworks, and keeping the front frontier plural by keeping the front frontier plural by keeping the front frontier plural by avoiding premature restrictions on open avoiding premature restrictions on open avoiding premature restrictions on open models that stifle competition or drive models that stifle competition or drive models that stifle competition or drive innovation overseas. These measures must innovation overseas. These measures must innovation overseas. These measures must also look at how strong application also look at how strong application also look at how strong application layers can expand sovereign use of AI layers can expand sovereign use of AI layers can expand sovereign use of AI across the economy. across the economy. across the economy. >> Okay, so Jensen is saying exactly what >> Okay, so Jensen is saying exactly what >> Okay, so Jensen is saying exactly what I'm saying. M I'm saying. M I'm saying. M >> so what he's trying to point out is that >> so what he's trying to point out is that >> so what he's trying to point out is that um regulatory capture will be the death um regulatory capture will be the death um regulatory capture will be the death of AI. of AI. of AI. >> Stop thinking that by um putting these >> Stop thinking that by um putting these >> Stop thinking that by um putting these guard rails on it that you're going to guard rails on it that you're going to guard rails on it that you're going to make the closed ecosystem safe. That's make the closed ecosystem safe. That's make the closed ecosystem safe. That's not the path to safety. What he's saying not the path to safety. What he's saying not the path to safety. What he's saying is the path to safety is to put public is the path to safety is to put public is the path to safety is to put public resources behind this. So remember how resources behind this. So remember how resources behind this. So remember how all of this started. Open AI started as all of this started. Open AI started as all of this started. Open AI started as Elon Musk trying to convince the world Elon Musk trying to convince the world Elon Musk trying to convince the world not to develop AI. He could not get not to develop AI. He could not get not to develop AI. He could not get anybody interested. So for anybody that anybody interested. So for anybody that anybody interested. So for anybody that forgets the timeline, Elon Musk forgets the timeline, Elon Musk forgets the timeline, Elon Musk went after politicians for I think he went after politicians for I think he went after politicians for I think he said like five years and he said nobody said like five years and he said nobody said like five years and he said nobody would listen to him. And so finally he would listen to him. And so finally he would listen to him. And so finally he became fatalistic and he said AI is became fatalistic and he said AI is became fatalistic and he said AI is going to happen. So let me do this the going to happen. So let me do this the going to happen. So let me do this the right way. So I'm going to create an right way. So I'm going to create an right way. So I'm going to create an open source model for AI to ensure open source model for AI to ensure open source model for AI to ensure everybody has access to it. Think of it everybody has access to it. Think of it everybody has access to it. Think of it as like the ultimate proliferation of as like the ultimate proliferation of as like the ultimate proliferation of nuclear weapons. Everybody has it. nuclear weapons. Everybody has it. nuclear weapons. Everybody has it. Mutually assured destruction or it's Mutually assured destruction or it's Mutually assured destruction or it's probably better to not use that. It's probably better to not use that. It's probably better to not use that. It's you you have the best defense because you you have the best defense because you you have the best defense because everybody has access to the same like everybody has access to the same like everybody has access to the same like high tier model. high tier model. high tier model. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Now, forget whether OpenAI should have >> Now, forget whether OpenAI should have >> Now, forget whether OpenAI should have switched over to being a closed model, switched over to being a closed model, switched over to being a closed model, but listen to the rationale as to why but listen to the rationale as to why but listen to the rationale as to why they went to a closed model. Most people they went to a closed model. Most people they went to a closed model. Most people are going to say the only real answer are going to say the only real answer are going to say the only real answer was they wanted to get filthy rich. was they wanted to get filthy rich. was they wanted to get filthy rich. Cool. I'm sure that's part of it. And Cool. I'm sure that's part of it. And Cool. I'm sure that's part of it. And I'm sure in their reasoning that strong I'm sure in their reasoning that strong I'm sure in their reasoning that strong emotion of, "Oh my god, if I did this, I emotion of, "Oh my god, if I did this, I emotion of, "Oh my god, if I did this, I would be a billionaire. This is [ __ ] would be a billionaire. This is [ __ ] would be a billionaire. This is [ __ ] crazy." One of the guys, Brockman, I crazy." One of the guys, Brockman, I crazy." One of the guys, Brockman, I forget his name. [ __ ] Sorry. uh whoever forget his name. [ __ ] Sorry. uh whoever forget his name. [ __ ] Sorry. uh whoever that was at OpenAI wrote in his [ __ ] that was at OpenAI wrote in his [ __ ] that was at OpenAI wrote in his [ __ ] diary which came out in uh court that diary which came out in uh court that diary which came out in uh court that like oh my god if we do this I'll be a like oh my god if we do this I'll be a like oh my god if we do this I'll be a billionaire like oh [ __ ] and so clearly billionaire like oh [ __ ] and so clearly billionaire like oh [ __ ] and so clearly it was a part of the reasoning but set it was a part of the reasoning but set it was a part of the reasoning but set that aside for a second the reason that that aside for a second the reason that that aside for a second the reason that they had to do it was they were like they had to do it was they were like they had to do it was they were like this is going to cost so much money that this is going to cost so much money that this is going to cost so much money that has borne out to be true even Elon Musk has borne out to be true even Elon Musk has borne out to be true even Elon Musk has put ungodly amounts of money and so has put ungodly amounts of money and so has put ungodly amounts of money and so whatever the 2004 400 uh million ion whatever the 2004 400 uh million ion whatever the 2004 400 uh million ion dollar that Elon put in the beginning, dollar that Elon put in the beginning, dollar that Elon put in the beginning, it is the smallest drop in a bucket of it is the smallest drop in a bucket of it is the smallest drop in a bucket of what ended up being invested. It's what ended up being invested. It's what ended up being invested. It's trillions of dollars. So, the gap trillions of dollars. So, the gap trillions of dollars. So, the gap between what you're going to be able to between what you're going to be able to between what you're going to be able to raise in public funds versus at the time raise in public funds versus at the time raise in public funds versus at the time where, sorry, not public funds, uh, where, sorry, not public funds, uh, where, sorry, not public funds, uh, charitable funds, what they were able to charitable funds, what they were able to charitable funds, what they were able to raise in charitable funds was an raise in charitable funds was an raise in charitable funds was an absolute minuscule drop in the bucket. absolute minuscule drop in the bucket. absolute minuscule drop in the bucket. If we now want to go, okay, we need to If we now want to go, okay, we need to If we now want to go, okay, we need to treat this more like um this is treat this more like um this is treat this more like um this is something that the government needs to something that the government needs to something that the government needs to get behind because if it's locked behind get behind because if it's locked behind get behind because if it's locked behind a profit motive, it is going to be a a profit motive, it is going to be a a profit motive, it is going to be a closed system and therefore we'll never closed system and therefore we'll never closed system and therefore we'll never um we won't get the safest models that um we won't get the safest models that um we won't get the safest models that we could get. They're going to fall to we could get. They're going to fall to we could get. They're going to fall to regulatory capture. So, we don't want to regulatory capture. So, we don't want to regulatory capture. So, we don't want to do that. We want to get back to this do that. We want to get back to this do that. We want to get back to this initial idea of it's going to be open initial idea of it's going to be open initial idea of it's going to be open source, but now we know that it's going source, but now we know that it's going source, but now we know that it's going to take trillions of dollars. The to take trillions of dollars. The to take trillions of dollars. The government's going to have to get government's going to have to get government's going to have to get involved. that solves my problem which involved. that solves my problem which involved. that solves my problem which is sorry magical uh diamond thing needs is sorry magical uh diamond thing needs is sorry magical uh diamond thing needs to be extracted. So, somebody has to pay to be extracted. So, somebody has to pay to be extracted. So, somebody has to pay for all of that to happen. And if we for all of that to happen. And if we for all of that to happen. And if we want to put our tax dollars towards it, want to put our tax dollars towards it, want to put our tax dollars towards it, then I just ask, what is the thing then I just ask, what is the thing then I just ask, what is the thing you're going to stop paying for to do you're going to stop paying for to do you're going to stop paying for to do it? And if we're willing to stop paying it? And if we're willing to stop paying it? And if we're willing to stop paying for something to do that, great. But if for something to do that, great. But if for something to do that, great. But if we're not willing to do that, then we're not willing to do that, then we're not willing to do that, then you're going to have to rely on public you're going to have to rely on public you're going to have to rely on public companies. And so you get into this companies. And so you get into this companies. And so you get into this weird quagmire where China has an weird quagmire where China has an weird quagmire where China has an incentive to distill the models to steal incentive to distill the models to steal incentive to distill the models to steal all of that economic viability as a way all of that economic viability as a way all of that economic viability as a way to hurt the US market and I think as a to hurt the US market and I think as a to hurt the US market and I think as a way to move us away from financializing way to move us away from financializing way to move us away from financializing things which would be right now just things which would be right now just things which would be right now just absolutely destructive to the entire US absolutely destructive to the entire US absolutely destructive to the entire US economy economy economy >> and get more into the tangible world >> and get more into the tangible world >> and get more into the tangible world which you see them doing in gold which you see them doing in gold which you see them doing in gold >> and manufacturing which is even bigger >> and manufacturing which is even bigger >> and manufacturing which is even bigger for them. So you've got these like two for them. So you've got these like two for them. So you've got these like two things happening simultaneously. And if things happening simultaneously. And if things happening simultaneously. And if we just go, "Oh, well, I think we all we just go, "Oh, well, I think we all we just go, "Oh, well, I think we all agree that open's better, so let China agree that open's better, so let China agree that open's better, so let China steal the market out from under us for steal the market out from under us for steal the market out from under us for the reasons that I walk through, that's the reasons that I walk through, that's the reasons that I walk through, that's nonsensical." If what we want to say is nonsensical." If what we want to say is nonsensical." If what we want to say is this was always meant to be a public this was always meant to be a public this was always meant to be a public good in the first place and so we want good in the first place and so we want good in the first place and so we want to move away from the profit motive and to move away from the profit motive and to move away from the profit motive and the government is going to start funding the government is going to start funding the government is going to start funding this to the tune of the trillions of this to the tune of the trillions of this to the tune of the trillions of dollars. Um I'm certainly open to the dollars. Um I'm certainly open to the dollars. Um I'm certainly open to the debate but again for me you've got to debate but again for me you've got to debate but again for me you've got to figure out the moral hazard of just figure out the moral hazard of just figure out the moral hazard of just printing money. So printing money. So printing money. So >> it's like that's the complexity that's >> it's like that's the complexity that's >> it's like that's the complexity that's the whole thing. This is still very the whole thing. This is still very the whole thing. This is still very different. This did start out being open different. This did start out being open different. This did start out being open source for very good reasons. Now I source for very good reasons. Now I source for very good reasons. Now I don't know if Elon has backed away from don't know if Elon has backed away from don't know if Elon has backed away from this but at one point he said uh every this but at one point he said uh every this but at one point he said uh every time we launch a new model so let's say time we launch a new model so let's say time we launch a new model so let's say we do Grock 4 Gro 3 becomes open model we do Grock 4 Gro 3 becomes open model we do Grock 4 Gro 3 becomes open model when we do Grock 5 Grock 4 will become when we do Grock 5 Grock 4 will become when we do Grock 5 Grock 4 will become open model I don't know if he's actually open model I don't know if he's actually open model I don't know if he's actually doing it but he said that doing it but he said that doing it but he said that extraordinarily publicly about a year extraordinarily publicly about a year extraordinarily publicly about a year ago so my hope is that he really does ago so my hope is that he really does ago so my hope is that he really does hold to that and so the frontier model hold to that and so the frontier model hold to that and so the frontier model itself which only lasts say 6 months itself which only lasts say 6 months itself which only lasts say 6 months that frontier model will always be that frontier model will always be that frontier model will always be closed but then everything trailing closed but then everything trailing closed but then everything trailing behind it will be open and the people behind it will be open and the people behind it will be open and the people that want like the cutting edge, cutting that want like the cutting edge, cutting that want like the cutting edge, cutting edge, then they pay for it. And people edge, then they pay for it. And people edge, then they pay for it. And people that are like, "Oh my god, this is that are like, "Oh my god, this is that are like, "Oh my god, this is plenty good." Then cool, they use it in plenty good." Then cool, they use it in plenty good." Then cool, they use it in open source fashion. open source fashion. open source fashion. >> Um, this is like a perfect segue to the >> Um, this is like a perfect segue to the >> Um, this is like a perfect segue to the new Amazon Bladeunner show where I think new Amazon Bladeunner show where I think new Amazon Bladeunner show where I think that this is one of those things. that this is one of those things. that this is one of those things. Would this conversation be as difficult Would this conversation be as difficult Would this conversation be as difficult or as hard if there wasn't the AI or as hard if there wasn't the AI or as hard if there wasn't the AI anxiety like tied around it? anxiety like tied around it? anxiety like tied around it? >> No, of course not. >> No, of course not. >> No, of course not. >> You know what I mean? Like cuz when it >> You know what I mean? Like cuz when it >> You know what I mean? Like cuz when it comes to pharmaceuticals and other comes to pharmaceuticals and other comes to pharmaceuticals and other things like Yeah, we got to regulations, things like Yeah, we got to regulations, things like Yeah, we got to regulations, shrink shoulders, internet companies. shrink shoulders, internet companies. shrink shoulders, internet companies. Yeah, regulations, drugs, public Yeah, regulations, drugs, public Yeah, regulations, drugs, public utilities. Like there's other things utilities. Like there's other things utilities. Like there's other things that to me competition will do a lot that to me competition will do a lot that to me competition will do a lot better than what is currently the setup. better than what is currently the setup. better than what is currently the setup. But right now AI seems to be like either But right now AI seems to be like either But right now AI seems to be like either we hate it and we want it to be gone or we hate it and we want it to be gone or we hate it and we want it to be gone or we love it and we want nobody to touch we love it and we want nobody to touch we love it and we want nobody to touch it. And then there's people in the it. And then there's people in the it. And then there's people in the middle like we love it but we want the middle like we love it but we want the middle like we love it but we want the government to help. Like there's this government to help. Like there's this government to help. Like there's this like three-w weeave thing. So like three-w weeave thing. So like three-w weeave thing. So >> well the really bad news is the way you >> well the really bad news is the way you >> well the really bad news is the way you just said it is sensible that we're we just said it is sensible that we're we just said it is sensible that we're we love it, we're worried, we want the love it, we're worried, we want the love it, we're worried, we want the government to help. I like that. government to help. I like that. government to help. I like that. >> Um we want regulation, we want >> Um we want regulation, we want >> Um we want regulation, we want government. What we have now is a government. What we have now is a government. What we have now is a government that has become a an government that has become a an government that has become a an absolutely morbidly obese tick that has absolutely morbidly obese tick that has absolutely morbidly obese tick that has drained the lifeblood out of the country drained the lifeblood out of the country drained the lifeblood out of the country for decades. Uh people can now finally for decades. Uh people can now finally for decades. Uh people can now finally feel it. They they think that they've feel it. They they think that they've feel it. They they think that they've been bled by the billionaires. But been bled by the billionaires. But been bled by the billionaires. But they've been bled by the government they've been bled by the government they've been bled by the government >> and their inability to map how money >> and their inability to map how money >> and their inability to map how money actually works and how the economy actually works and how the economy actually works and how the economy actually works is leaving them very actually works is leaving them very actually works is leaving them very confused. And so now we have this confused. And so now we have this confused. And so now we have this gigantic bloated entity that needs to be gigantic bloated entity that needs to be gigantic bloated entity that needs to be made smaller by the day as aggressively made smaller by the day as aggressively made smaller by the day as aggressively as we can without breaking something. Um as we can without breaking something. Um as we can without breaking something. Um so you want light touch regulation on so you want light touch regulation on so you want light touch regulation on AI, you don't want heavy-handed AI, you don't want heavy-handed AI, you don't want heavy-handed regulatory capture. And so if the regulatory capture. And so if the regulatory capture. And so if the government was coming in and saying okay government was coming in and saying okay government was coming in and saying okay listen um here is what we expect from listen um here is what we expect from listen um here is what we expect from the output uh of a model and if it has the output uh of a model and if it has the output uh of a model and if it has you know xyz capabilities to hack or you know xyz capabilities to hack or you know xyz capabilities to hack or whatever um these are the consequences whatever um these are the consequences whatever um these are the consequences and so you've got some sense of like and so you've got some sense of like and so you've got some sense of like anybody can do it it is um you know what anybody can do it it is um you know what anybody can do it it is um you know what the the guidelines are but you can do the the guidelines are but you can do the the guidelines are but you can do whatever you want as long as they match whatever you want as long as they match whatever you want as long as they match that guideline and as long as that is that guideline and as long as that is that guideline and as long as that is specific enough you don't get into the specific enough you don't get into the specific enough you don't get into the regul population by um lawsuit, which is regul population by um lawsuit, which is regul population by um lawsuit, which is what they did during the um crypto days. what they did during the um crypto days. what they did during the um crypto days. That was [ __ ] stupid. Literally That was [ __ ] stupid. Literally That was [ __ ] stupid. Literally criminal in my opinion. So, you don't criminal in my opinion. So, you don't criminal in my opinion. So, you don't want to do that. You want to just give want to do that. You want to just give want to do that. You want to just give people total clarity. Hey, this is what people total clarity. Hey, this is what people total clarity. Hey, this is what it is. But you don't want to make it it is. But you don't want to make it it is. But you don't want to make it something where it's millions of dollars something where it's millions of dollars something where it's millions of dollars to try to comply. It's like, no, no, no. to try to comply. It's like, no, no, no. to try to comply. It's like, no, no, no. If you either have these capabilities or If you either have these capabilities or If you either have these capabilities or you don't, and if you have these you don't, and if you have these you don't, and if you have these capabilities, you need to do this thing, capabilities, you need to do this thing, capabilities, you need to do this thing, whatever that is. whatever that is. whatever that is. um and you treat it like um something um and you treat it like um something um and you treat it like um something sensible. Uh in food for instance, you sensible. Uh in food for instance, you sensible. Uh in food for instance, you have something called generally have something called generally have something called generally recognized as safe. Uh and so when you recognized as safe. Uh and so when you recognized as safe. Uh and so when you have things that are like all right, have things that are like all right, have things that are like all right, these things are fine. Go go go do these things are fine. Go go go do these things are fine. Go go go do whatever you can do and as long as they whatever you can do and as long as they whatever you can do and as long as they adhere to that, you're going to be good. adhere to that, you're going to be good. adhere to that, you're going to be good. And so it isn't crippling in the And so it isn't crippling in the And so it isn't crippling in the beginning. It's not easy. Like I beginning. It's not easy. Like I beginning. It's not easy. Like I remember when we started Quest, there's remember when we started Quest, there's remember when we started Quest, there's a lot of regulations. You have to be a lot of regulations. You have to be a lot of regulations. You have to be very careful, but it's like public very careful, but it's like public very careful, but it's like public health. So yeah, you got to take it health. So yeah, you got to take it health. So yeah, you got to take it seriously. But it wasn't crippling. It seriously. But it wasn't crippling. It seriously. But it wasn't crippling. It didn't stop us from starting a business. didn't stop us from starting a business. didn't stop us from starting a business. um period. So you that's what you want, um period. So you that's what you want, um period. So you that's what you want, light touch. Now getting to your anxiety light touch. Now getting to your anxiety light touch. Now getting to your anxiety thing, the the big concern that I have thing, the the big concern that I have thing, the the big concern that I have there is that um humans are emotional there is that um humans are emotional there is that um humans are emotional creatures. We do not reason by logic. We creatures. We do not reason by logic. We creatures. We do not reason by logic. We reason entirely by emotion and we have reason entirely by emotion and we have reason entirely by emotion and we have so much fear around AI that people can so much fear around AI that people can so much fear around AI that people can actually ask seriously um what has AI actually ask seriously um what has AI actually ask seriously um what has AI done for us? That is the most ridiculous done for us? That is the most ridiculous done for us? That is the most ridiculous and absurd question I've ever heard. and absurd question I've ever heard. and absurd question I've ever heard. right now today if AI never improved. I right now today if AI never improved. I right now today if AI never improved. I was just at the doctor yesterday which was just at the doctor yesterday which was just at the doctor yesterday which oh god when you're 50 and you go to the oh god when you're 50 and you go to the oh god when you're 50 and you go to the doctor holy Jesus. Um doctor holy Jesus. Um doctor holy Jesus. Um it was my doctor being like yo are you it was my doctor being like yo are you it was my doctor being like yo are you like paying attention to AI? And I'm like paying attention to AI? And I'm like paying attention to AI? And I'm like bro AI is like what I do and he was like bro AI is like what I do and he was like bro AI is like what I do and he was like oh my god it's changing medicine so like oh my god it's changing medicine so like oh my god it's changing medicine so much like this is so incredible. He was much like this is so incredible. He was much like this is so incredible. He was like the right now he was like even some like the right now he was like even some like the right now he was like even some of my wealthiest clients they go to of my wealthiest clients they go to of my wealthiest clients they go to Cedars they get a CT scan. He's like it Cedars they get a CT scan. He's like it Cedars they get a CT scan. He's like it will take them two weeks to get the will take them two weeks to get the will take them two weeks to get the results. He's like, "I want you to results. He's like, "I want you to results. He's like, "I want you to imagine that you're really in pain. imagine that you're really in pain. imagine that you're really in pain. You're suffering from something and it You're suffering from something and it You're suffering from something and it takes two weeks to get your results takes two weeks to get your results takes two weeks to get your results back." He's like, "AI is going to change back." He's like, "AI is going to change back." He's like, "AI is going to change it all because it's so good at reading it all because it's so good at reading it all because it's so good at reading the scans." He was like, "The more this the scans." He was like, "The more this the scans." He was like, "The more this gets implemented, the more it's just gets implemented, the more it's just gets implemented, the more it's just going to be real time. Scan will pull going to be real time. Scan will pull going to be real time. Scan will pull up. AI will be like, here's your up. AI will be like, here's your up. AI will be like, here's your problem." And he was like, "It'll look, problem." And he was like, "It'll look, problem." And he was like, "It'll look, it'll compare your scans." So, it'll be it'll compare your scans." So, it'll be it'll compare your scans." So, it'll be like, "You've had a scan every year for like, "You've had a scan every year for like, "You've had a scan every year for the last 10 years. Here's your problem. the last 10 years. Here's your problem. the last 10 years. Here's your problem. This is the area. It's changing. It's This is the area. It's changing. It's This is the area. It's changing. It's changing by this much. We are seeing all changing by this much. We are seeing all changing by this much. We are seeing all the data across all patients. We know the data across all patients. We know the data across all patients. We know that this means increased likelihood of that this means increased likelihood of that this means increased likelihood of this, that, or whatever." And he was this, that, or whatever." And he was this, that, or whatever." And he was just like gushing. He was like, "Oh my just like gushing. He was like, "Oh my just like gushing. He was like, "Oh my god, this is so transformative." And god, this is so transformative." And god, this is so transformative." And he's like, "I can't believe what a boon he's like, "I can't believe what a boon he's like, "I can't believe what a boon this is already to health." And I was this is already to health." And I was this is already to health." And I was like, "Bro, tell me about it." I'm like, like, "Bro, tell me about it." I'm like, like, "Bro, tell me about it." I'm like, "What about protein folding?" He's like, "What about protein folding?" He's like, "What about protein folding?" He's like, "Oh my god." And so I was like, it it "Oh my god." And so I was like, it it "Oh my god." And so I was like, it it was just seeing a doctor who's was just seeing a doctor who's was just seeing a doctor who's interfacing with this all day who knows interfacing with this all day who knows interfacing with this all day who knows the things that AI is doing right now the things that AI is doing right now the things that AI is doing right now today. today. today. >> And he was like, and just watching it >> And he was like, and just watching it >> And he was like, and just watching it like slowly getting rolled out, he was like slowly getting rolled out, he was like slowly getting rolled out, he was like, "This is going to be just so like, "This is going to be just so like, "This is going to be just so incredible." And so that's what AI is incredible." And so that's what AI is incredible." And so that's what AI is doing already right now today. That's doing already right now today. That's doing already right now today. That's not new functionality. That's just roll not new functionality. That's just roll not new functionality. That's just roll out the functionality that you already out the functionality that you already out the functionality that you already have. have. have. >> And so people are letting their emotions >> And so people are letting their emotions >> And so people are letting their emotions run away with them. Tell them a story. run away with them. Tell them a story. run away with them. Tell them a story. Everything's going to be bad. This is Everything's going to be bad. This is Everything's going to be bad. This is all going to fall apart. Oh my god, all going to fall apart. Oh my god, all going to fall apart. Oh my god, robots everywhere taking over. Um, and robots everywhere taking over. Um, and robots everywhere taking over. Um, and they're letting that make them fight for they're letting that make them fight for they're letting that make them fight for something that isn't connected to something that isn't connected to something that isn't connected to reality. For the reasons I've said a reality. For the reasons I've said a reality. For the reasons I've said a thousand times, the open models already thousand times, the open models already thousand times, the open models already exist. They are already out. They are exist. They are already out. They are exist. They are already out. They are never going away. If if you are never going away. If if you are never going away. If if you are draconian and you try to shut this down, draconian and you try to shut this down, draconian and you try to shut this down, you say, "If we catch you with AI, we're you say, "If we catch you with AI, we're you say, "If we catch you with AI, we're going to shoot you in the face," it's going to shoot you in the face," it's going to shoot you in the face," it's still already out. There will be people still already out. There will be people still already out. There will be people who wish you harm that already have who wish you harm that already have who wish you harm that already have these models. And if you, this is what these models. And if you, this is what these models. And if you, this is what we just saw with the um the attack of we just saw with the um the attack of we just saw with the um the attack of hugging face by OpenAI's newest model hugging face by OpenAI's newest model hugging face by OpenAI's newest model that escaped Anthropics, one of the two that escaped Anthropics, one of the two that escaped Anthropics, one of the two >> Open. >> Open. >> Open. >> Uh so their model escapes, finds its way >> Uh so their model escapes, finds its way >> Uh so their model escapes, finds its way to the internet, goes hacks hugging to the internet, goes hacks hugging to the internet, goes hacks hugging face. Hugging Face tries to use, I face. Hugging Face tries to use, I face. Hugging Face tries to use, I think, Claude to shut it down, Fable 5, think, Claude to shut it down, Fable 5, think, Claude to shut it down, Fable 5, but it had been nerfed so much that they but it had been nerfed so much that they but it had been nerfed so much that they weren't able to stop it. And so now weren't able to stop it. And so now weren't able to stop it. And so now they're like, "Guys, we we had to go to they're like, "Guys, we we had to go to they're like, "Guys, we we had to go to a Chinese open model to be able to fight a Chinese open model to be able to fight a Chinese open model to be able to fight against this." That's already happened. against this." That's already happened. against this." That's already happened. So if you guard rail the [ __ ] out of it So if you guard rail the [ __ ] out of it So if you guard rail the [ __ ] out of it to the point where people that are to the point where people that are to the point where people that are willing to comply don't have access to willing to comply don't have access to willing to comply don't have access to it, the people who aren't willing to it, the people who aren't willing to it, the people who aren't willing to comply will leverage what already exists comply will leverage what already exists comply will leverage what already exists to come after you. And that's the part to come after you. And that's the part to come after you. And that's the part that people just aren't being honest that people just aren't being honest that people just aren't being honest about. about. about. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Then let's go forward, right? Because we >> Then let's go forward, right? Because we >> Then let's go forward, right? Because we always talk about like I feel like our always talk about like I feel like our always talk about like I feel like our tagline for this show is like the Tom tagline for this show is like the Tom tagline for this show is like the Tom Boogie Show. It's all economics. It does Boogie Show. It's all economics. It does Boogie Show. It's all economics. It does come back to like that. So I think what come back to like that. So I think what come back to like that. So I think what it really comes down to is the it really comes down to is the it really comes down to is the downstream effects. It's AI downstream effects. It's AI downstream effects. It's AI revolutionary technology. AI leads to revolutionary technology. AI leads to revolutionary technology. AI leads to robots. Robots needed no jobs. No jobs robots. Robots needed no jobs. No jobs robots. Robots needed no jobs. No jobs means I'm poor and I live in a tenement means I'm poor and I live in a tenement means I'm poor and I live in a tenement with my UBI check. with my UBI check. with my UBI check. >> I think there's a a falsity in that >> I think there's a a falsity in that >> I think there's a a falsity in that logic. How about this? We haven't seen logic. How about this? We haven't seen logic. How about this? We haven't seen that yet. that yet. that yet. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We haven't. I'm I'm >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We haven't. I'm I'm >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We haven't. I'm I'm just I'm projecting the anxiety. Yeah. just I'm projecting the anxiety. Yeah. just I'm projecting the anxiety. Yeah. What people think, you know what I mean? What people think, you know what I mean? What people think, you know what I mean? So, is it because there's economic So, is it because there's economic So, is it because there's economic insecurity that makes us apprehensive insecurity that makes us apprehensive insecurity that makes us apprehensive about AI where maybe in the past when about AI where maybe in the past when about AI where maybe in the past when there were previous technologies was there were previous technologies was there were previous technologies was like anybody can get on the internet. like anybody can get on the internet. like anybody can get on the internet. It's this new thing. Let's like we were It's this new thing. Let's like we were It's this new thing. Let's like we were excited to go on AOL and wait for 20 excited to go on AOL and wait for 20 excited to go on AOL and wait for 20 minutes to sign in. We were excited to minutes to sign in. We were excited to minutes to sign in. We were excited to try Napster or we were excited to go try Napster or we were excited to go try Napster or we were excited to go into our email for the first time. And I into our email for the first time. And I into our email for the first time. And I think there that excitement isn't there think there that excitement isn't there think there that excitement isn't there with AI. Maybe that's what it is. That's with AI. Maybe that's what it is. That's with AI. Maybe that's what it is. That's really interesting. So here I'm I'm really interesting. So here I'm I'm really interesting. So here I'm I'm really glad you brought up Napster. really glad you brought up Napster. really glad you brought up Napster. >> So the way that these technologies >> So the way that these technologies >> So the way that these technologies always work is you have the people who always work is you have the people who always work is you have the people who have, let's say they're 35 plus, they've have, let's say they're 35 plus, they've have, let's say they're 35 plus, they've gotten to a point in their career where gotten to a point in their career where gotten to a point in their career where this new change is going to be this new change is going to be this new change is going to be devastating to them. And by the way, devastating to them. And by the way, devastating to them. And by the way, they are right. they are right. they are right. >> There are going to be people who will >> There are going to be people who will >> There are going to be people who will not be able to quote unquote learn to not be able to quote unquote learn to not be able to quote unquote learn to code. They're not going to just be able code. They're not going to just be able code. They're not going to just be able to embrace AI. They will never get to embrace AI. They will never get to embrace AI. They will never get retrained. they're going to be going in retrained. they're going to be going in retrained. they're going to be going in some absolutely horrific, terrible some absolutely horrific, terrible some absolutely horrific, terrible direction, and this is only going to be direction, and this is only going to be direction, and this is only going to be worse for them. And in being worse for worse for them. And in being worse for worse for them. And in being worse for them, they're gonna be right to have all them, they're gonna be right to have all them, they're gonna be right to have all this anxiety. But just like with this anxiety. But just like with this anxiety. But just like with Napster, despite the fact that Metallica Napster, despite the fact that Metallica Napster, despite the fact that Metallica was screaming from the rooftops like was screaming from the rooftops like was screaming from the rooftops like this is terrible and we need to go after this is terrible and we need to go after this is terrible and we need to go after these people, kids are just like, "Nah, these people, kids are just like, "Nah, these people, kids are just like, "Nah, [ __ ] you. Uh, it's better." And so, [ __ ] you. Uh, it's better." And so, [ __ ] you. Uh, it's better." And so, because it's better, I'm going to do it. because it's better, I'm going to do it. because it's better, I'm going to do it. And so that's how these technologies And so that's how these technologies And so that's how these technologies always come into play is that it really always come into play is that it really always come into play is that it really does hurt some people but it creates new does hurt some people but it creates new does hurt some people but it creates new opportunities elsewhere and only the opportunities elsewhere and only the opportunities elsewhere and only the people who get eroded by it are going to people who get eroded by it are going to people who get eroded by it are going to complain. The unique thing about AI and complain. The unique thing about AI and complain. The unique thing about AI and by the way that's true of everything. by the way that's true of everything. by the way that's true of everything. When the industrial revolution happened When the industrial revolution happened When the industrial revolution happened when electrification happened when the when electrification happened when the when electrification happened when the internet happened it really did it was internet happened it really did it was internet happened it really did it was devastating to people that were um devastating to people that were um devastating to people that were um unwilling or unable to shift into the unwilling or unable to shift into the unwilling or unable to shift into the new economy. The waker uppers was crazy new economy. The waker uppers was crazy new economy. The waker uppers was crazy that that was actually like a thing when that that was actually like a thing when that that was actually like a thing when when you did that. Knocker upers or when you did that. Knocker upers or when you did that. Knocker upers or knocker uppers. Yeah. I was like, dude, knocker uppers. Yeah. I was like, dude, knocker uppers. Yeah. I was like, dude, there's really somebody that was your there's really somebody that was your there's really somebody that was your child. But go ahead. My bad. child. But go ahead. My bad. child. But go ahead. My bad. >> Yep. So you you are going to have that. >> Yep. So you you are going to have that. >> Yep. So you you are going to have that. The thing that's unique about AI is The thing that's unique about AI is The thing that's unique about AI is everybody thinks they're a knocker upper everybody thinks they're a knocker upper everybody thinks they're a knocker upper >> and so everybody's like, "Oh my god, >> and so everybody's like, "Oh my god, >> and so everybody's like, "Oh my god, this is going to replace me too." And so this is going to replace me too." And so this is going to replace me too." And so for the first time, it's so widespread for the first time, it's so widespread for the first time, it's so widespread >> that you really might have enough panic, >> that you really might have enough panic, >> that you really might have enough panic, >> especially because it's happening in a >> especially because it's happening in a >> especially because it's happening in a populous moment. you might have enough populous moment. you might have enough populous moment. you might have enough panic that people really do in in a panic that people really do in in a panic that people really do in in a developed nation like the US put the developed nation like the US put the developed nation like the US put the kibos on it and then we will just see kibos on it and then we will just see kibos on it and then we will just see ourselves get out competed by countries ourselves get out competed by countries ourselves get out competed by countries that don't. And so I'll remind everybody that don't. And so I'll remind everybody that don't. And so I'll remind everybody that that don't put the kibash on it. that that don't put the kibash on it. that that don't put the kibash on it. I'll remind everybody of what just I'll remind everybody of what just I'll remind everybody of what just happened with Bology and going to the happened with Bology and going to the happened with Bology and going to the Singapore government. They're so Singapore government. They're so Singapore government. They're so anti-Israeli anti-Israeli anti-Israeli that they thought he was secretly um that they thought he was secretly um that they thought he was secretly um basically uh leveraging or not basically uh leveraging or not basically uh leveraging or not leveraging but attracting Israelis that leveraging but attracting Israelis that leveraging but attracting Israelis that were using a second passport. And so were using a second passport. And so were using a second passport. And so what Bology did was like, okay, who who what Bology did was like, okay, who who what Bology did was like, okay, who who wants some of the best and brightest wants some of the best and brightest wants some of the best and brightest young entrepreneurs to come be in their young entrepreneurs to come be in their young entrepreneurs to come be in their country? Kazakhstan was like, yo, we country? Kazakhstan was like, yo, we country? Kazakhstan was like, yo, we ain't got [ __ ] going for us. That's why ain't got [ __ ] going for us. That's why ain't got [ __ ] going for us. That's why most of you couldn't point to us on a most of you couldn't point to us on a most of you couldn't point to us on a map if you tried, so why don't you come map if you tried, so why don't you come map if you tried, so why don't you come to us? And that's how it'll play out. to us? And that's how it'll play out. to us? And that's how it'll play out. So, um, even if the US and China were So, um, even if the US and China were So, um, even if the US and China were like, nah, [ __ ] this. Kazakhstan's going like, nah, [ __ ] this. Kazakhstan's going like, nah, [ __ ] this. Kazakhstan's going to be like, thank you for creating an to be like, thank you for creating an to be like, thank you for creating an opportunity for me. opportunity for me. opportunity for me. >> It's going to be the open source AI hub. >> It's going to be the open source AI hub. >> It's going to be the open source AI hub. >> Exactly. And so just like America went >> Exactly. And so just like America went >> Exactly. And so just like America went from we're just some backwater colony of from we're just some backwater colony of from we're just some backwater colony of the UK and we became the greatest power the UK and we became the greatest power the UK and we became the greatest power on the globe by a country mile. on the globe by a country mile. on the globe by a country mile. You'll see a change in dynamic. Whoever You'll see a change in dynamic. Whoever You'll see a change in dynamic. Whoever embraces AI is going to win. Period. End embraces AI is going to win. Period. End embraces AI is going to win. Period. End of story. It is the ability to scale of story. It is the ability to scale of story. It is the ability to scale intelligence. Part of the reason that intelligence. Part of the reason that intelligence. Part of the reason that people say that demographics is destiny people say that demographics is destiny people say that demographics is destiny is because there's no way to bring on is because there's no way to bring on is because there's no way to bring on intelligence that doesn't take 18 years. intelligence that doesn't take 18 years. intelligence that doesn't take 18 years. >> Now there is. AI is the ability to >> Now there is. AI is the ability to >> Now there is. AI is the ability to change demographics instantly overnight. change demographics instantly overnight. change demographics instantly overnight. And so that's where it's like uh kids, And so that's where it's like uh kids, And so that's where it's like uh kids, whoever embraces AI is going to win. It whoever embraces AI is going to win. It whoever embraces AI is going to win. It is a uh it is a super weapon because is a uh it is a super weapon because is a uh it is a super weapon because it's intelligence itself. it's intelligence itself. it's intelligence itself. >> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. Um did you watch Bladeunner 2049? did you watch Bladeunner 2049? did you watch Bladeunner 2049? >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Ryan is our like go-to movie guy. Did >> Ryan is our like go-to movie guy. Did >> Ryan is our like go-to movie guy. Did you watch like Blade? you watch like Blade? you watch like Blade? >> Bladerunner is one I haven't seen. >> Bladerunner is one I haven't seen. >> Bladerunner is one I haven't seen. >> Oh my god. 2049. >> Oh my god. 2049. >> Oh my god. 2049. uh is extra. They're both extraordinary. uh is extra. They're both extraordinary. uh is extra. They're both extraordinary. >> It's a visual feast. I definitely >> It's a visual feast. I definitely >> It's a visual feast. I definitely encourage people to watch it. Um what's encourage people to watch it. Um what's encourage people to watch it. Um what's fascinating about the new one is a fascinating about the new one is a fascinating about the new one is a series. It's called Bladeunner 2099. series. It's called Bladeunner 2099. series. It's called Bladeunner 2099. And the premise of Bladeunner 2099 tells And the premise of Bladeunner 2099 tells And the premise of Bladeunner 2099 tells you everything that you need to know you everything that you need to know you everything that you need to know about this moment in uh the world, about this moment in uh the world, about this moment in uh the world, certainly the West, as we look at AI. certainly the West, as we look at AI. certainly the West, as we look at AI. And so the premise of the show is that And so the premise of the show is that And so the premise of the show is that there was a war between humans and there was a war between humans and there was a war between humans and replicants and the replicants win. Okay, replicants and the replicants win. Okay, replicants and the replicants win. Okay, so that's just a straight standin for so that's just a straight standin for so that's just a straight standin for humans and AI go to war and AI wins and humans and AI go to war and AI wins and humans and AI go to war and AI wins and now AI is better than humans or they're now AI is better than humans or they're now AI is better than humans or they're at least in control of humans and what at least in control of humans and what at least in control of humans and what does it mean to be human in a world does it mean to be human in a world does it mean to be human in a world where the replicants are in control and where the replicants are in control and where the replicants are in control and that that is literally just us grappling that that is literally just us grappling that that is literally just us grappling with okay what does it mean to still be with okay what does it mean to still be with okay what does it mean to still be human you know if there's something human you know if there's something human you know if there's something that's smarter than us better than us in that's smarter than us better than us in that's smarter than us better than us in control um and it will be very control um and it will be very control um and it will be very interesting I'll be very eager to watch interesting I'll be very eager to watch interesting I'll be very eager to watch this um I don't know if this is going to this um I don't know if this is going to this um I don't know if this is going to be like a woke retelling where it's like be like a woke retelling where it's like be like a woke retelling where it's like we're all victims and boohoo and you we're all victims and boohoo and you we're all victims and boohoo and you just have to like kill them and get rid just have to like kill them and get rid just have to like kill them and get rid of it. Uh or if it's more a tale of um of it. Uh or if it's more a tale of um of it. Uh or if it's more a tale of um understanding the power of technology. understanding the power of technology. understanding the power of technology. So this is exactly the same question I So this is exactly the same question I So this is exactly the same question I was trying to answer. So when I wrote was trying to answer. So when I wrote was trying to answer. So when I wrote Neon Future, which was the comic book Neon Future, which was the comic book Neon Future, which was the comic book that I did uh five or six years ago, it that I did uh five or six years ago, it that I did uh five or six years ago, it took the exact opposite stance of AI and took the exact opposite stance of AI and took the exact opposite stance of AI and humans go to war and humans win. And now humans go to war and humans win. And now humans go to war and humans win. And now there are people that have integrated there are people that have integrated there are people that have integrated technology and AI into themselves and technology and AI into themselves and technology and AI into themselves and they're the ones that can promise the they're the ones that can promise the they're the ones that can promise the better future because the emotional better future because the emotional better future because the emotional humans, it's humans on both sides in my humans, it's humans on both sides in my humans, it's humans on both sides in my story, but the emotional humans who story, but the emotional humans who story, but the emotional humans who reject technology are actually moving reject technology are actually moving reject technology are actually moving the world backwards. And because the world backwards. And because the world backwards. And because technology is a promise of a better technology is a promise of a better technology is a promise of a better tomorrow, you have to be draconian. You tomorrow, you have to be draconian. You tomorrow, you have to be draconian. You have to kill. You have to silence have to kill. You have to silence have to kill. You have to silence because those people have a dream of a because those people have a dream of a because those people have a dream of a better future. Whereas the only dream better future. Whereas the only dream better future. Whereas the only dream for anti-technologists is stagnation. for anti-technologists is stagnation. for anti-technologists is stagnation. And so I believe whenever those two And so I believe whenever those two And so I believe whenever those two impulses collide, stagnation will always impulses collide, stagnation will always impulses collide, stagnation will always and forever lose. Literally always and and forever lose. Literally always and and forever lose. Literally always and forever. You might be able to push us forever. You might be able to push us forever. You might be able to push us into the dark ages for a couple hundred into the dark ages for a couple hundred into the dark ages for a couple hundred years, but you'll just never be able to years, but you'll just never be able to years, but you'll just never be able to defeat the hope of a better tomorrow, defeat the hope of a better tomorrow, defeat the hope of a better tomorrow, which again, technology is best which again, technology is best which again, technology is best understood as the physical manifestation understood as the physical manifestation understood as the physical manifestation of the promise of a better tomorrow. And of the promise of a better tomorrow. And of the promise of a better tomorrow. And so that is so innate to us. that drive so that is so innate to us. that drive so that is so innate to us. that drive will always kick in and it will it's will always kick in and it will it's will always kick in and it will it's exactly what pulled us out of the dark exactly what pulled us out of the dark exactly what pulled us out of the dark ages when it actually happened. So, I'm ages when it actually happened. So, I'm ages when it actually happened. So, I'm certainly not saying that we can't find certainly not saying that we can't find certainly not saying that we can't find ourselves in a dark ages, but I am ourselves in a dark ages, but I am ourselves in a dark ages, but I am saying on a long enough timeline, saying on a long enough timeline, saying on a long enough timeline, technology will always win. technology will always win. technology will always win. >> Well said. Um, all right, we got some >> Well said. Um, all right, we got some >> Well said. Um, all right, we got some super chats. super chats. super chats. >> Yes. And before we do, I've had this tab >> Yes. And before we do, I've had this tab >> Yes. And before we do, I've had this tab pulled up, so apologies if y'all pulled up, so apologies if y'all pulled up, so apologies if y'all mentioned it and I missed it, but David mentioned it and I missed it, but David mentioned it and I missed it, but David Saxs hasn't been AI or Cryptosar since Saxs hasn't been AI or Cryptosar since Saxs hasn't been AI or Cryptosar since 2026 when he stepped down. 2026 when he stepped down. 2026 when he stepped down. >> Oh, I didn't realize he stepped down. >> Oh, I didn't realize he stepped down. >> Oh, I didn't realize he stepped down. >> Uh, it was a 130-day limit as a special >> Uh, it was a 130-day limit as a special >> Uh, it was a 130-day limit as a special government employee and then he ended up government employee and then he ended up government employee and then he ended up stepping down. So, I don't know if he stepping down. So, I don't know if he stepping down. So, I don't know if he served the full 130, but served the full 130, but served the full 130, but >> man, well, that changes my read. Thank >> man, well, that changes my read. Thank >> man, well, that changes my read. Thank you so much for bringing that up. Um, I you so much for bringing that up. Um, I you so much for bringing that up. Um, I had no idea. Okay, that may explain why had no idea. Okay, that may explain why had no idea. Okay, that may explain why Bessant now is taking over the dialogue Bessant now is taking over the dialogue Bessant now is taking over the dialogue on that on that on that >> and why he's kind of just gone to >> and why he's kind of just gone to >> and why he's kind of just gone to Twitter, I guess, to to talk about it. Twitter, I guess, to to talk about it. Twitter, I guess, to to talk about it. >> Well, that was sort of always his way. >> Well, that was sort of always his way. >> Well, that was sort of always his way. He did way more on Twitter than he was He did way more on Twitter than he was He did way more on Twitter than he was ever doing in terms of public ever doing in terms of public ever doing in terms of public announcements. But, um, it certainly announcements. But, um, it certainly announcements. But, um, it certainly explains why he feels like he's now explains why he feels like he's now explains why he feels like he's now taking a back seat. [laughter] taking a back seat. [laughter] taking a back seat. [laughter] All right. So, first up, [clears throat] All right. So, first up, [clears throat] All right. So, first up, [clears throat] Marushia Dark says, "Personal training Marushia Dark says, "Personal training Marushia Dark says, "Personal training and bespoke N of one plans might do more and bespoke N of one plans might do more and bespoke N of one plans might do more to fight socialism than general advice to fight socialism than general advice to fight socialism than general advice or broad policies. Think like Caleb or broad policies. Think like Caleb or broad policies. Think like Caleb Hammer meets Dr. K's HG coaching program Hammer meets Dr. K's HG coaching program Hammer meets Dr. K's HG coaching program at scale to give individuals hope in at scale to give individuals hope in at scale to give individuals hope in spite of circumstance. spite of circumstance. spite of circumstance. >> Uh, I always love N of One Plans, so I >> Uh, I always love N of One Plans, so I >> Uh, I always love N of One Plans, so I am totally on board with that. I was am totally on board with that. I was am totally on board with that. I was thinking of um a format for a show that thinking of um a format for a show that thinking of um a format for a show that would be a little bit like Caleb Hammer, would be a little bit like Caleb Hammer, would be a little bit like Caleb Hammer, but um do you are you guys aware that but um do you are you guys aware that but um do you are you guys aware that there's like this whole I'll call it there's like this whole I'll call it there's like this whole I'll call it underground debate scene where like once underground debate scene where like once underground debate scene where like once you start getting into Israel Palestine, you start getting into Israel Palestine, you start getting into Israel Palestine, you're going to come across a lot of you're going to come across a lot of you're going to come across a lot of this debate scene and I guess some this debate scene and I guess some this debate scene and I guess some people do it on TikTok, some people do people do it on TikTok, some people do people do it on TikTok, some people do it on joust. it on joust. it on joust. >> Uh and you just like you're there and >> Uh and you just like you're there and >> Uh and you just like you're there and then you say I'm willing to debate these then you say I'm willing to debate these then you say I'm willing to debate these topics and then people come in, you topics and then people come in, you topics and then people come in, you debate for a while and then you move on. debate for a while and then you move on. debate for a while and then you move on. The next person comes in, you debate for The next person comes in, you debate for The next person comes in, you debate for a while and you move on. Have you guys a while and you move on. Have you guys a while and you move on. Have you guys seen that? seen that? seen that? >> I've seen like the Jubilee version of >> I've seen like the Jubilee version of >> I've seen like the Jubilee version of that and like Dean Withers and stuff. that and like Dean Withers and stuff. that and like Dean Withers and stuff. >> Yeah, this is different. This is like >> Yeah, this is different. This is like >> Yeah, this is different. This is like live streamers that do battle with other live streamers that do battle with other live streamers that do battle with other live streamers in some cases, uh, which live streamers in some cases, uh, which live streamers in some cases, uh, which can get a little weird, but they anyway, can get a little weird, but they anyway, can get a little weird, but they anyway, they're live and they do this night they're live and they do this night they're live and they do this night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night after night. And I realized, wo, there's after night. And I realized, wo, there's after night. And I realized, wo, there's a whole subculture around debate a whole subculture around debate a whole subculture around debate specifically because it isn't a specifically because it isn't a specifically because it isn't a conversation, it's debate. like they are conversation, it's debate. like they are conversation, it's debate. like they are trying to win, but there's no like trying to win, but there's no like trying to win, but there's no like agreed upon format. It's really agreed upon format. It's really agreed upon format. It's really fascinating. But anyway, we're raising fascinating. But anyway, we're raising fascinating. But anyway, we're raising an entire generation of people that they an entire generation of people that they an entire generation of people that they want to [ __ ] fight about their ideas. want to [ __ ] fight about their ideas. want to [ __ ] fight about their ideas. It's very interesting. So, it got me It's very interesting. So, it got me It's very interesting. So, it got me thinking, oh, would I ever find that thinking, oh, would I ever find that thinking, oh, would I ever find that interesting in my way? I'm not going to interesting in my way? I'm not going to interesting in my way? I'm not going to be there to try to win, but it would be be there to try to win, but it would be be there to try to win, but it would be interesting to go on and be like, all interesting to go on and be like, all interesting to go on and be like, all right, I want to hear from people that right, I want to hear from people that right, I want to hear from people that are communists. I want to hear from are communists. I want to hear from are communists. I want to hear from socialists and like bring them in and socialists and like bring them in and socialists and like bring them in and just talk like, "What am I missing? What just talk like, "What am I missing? What just talk like, "What am I missing? What is the thing? Like, give me the is the thing? Like, give me the is the thing? Like, give me the information. Okay, but what about this?" information. Okay, but what about this?" information. Okay, but what about this?" It would be fascinating. Um, it looks It would be fascinating. Um, it looks It would be fascinating. Um, it looks exhausting, so I'm not sure that that's exhausting, so I'm not sure that that's exhausting, so I'm not sure that that's a format that suits my personality, but a format that suits my personality, but a format that suits my personality, but it did get me thinking in that um that it did get me thinking in that um that it did get me thinking in that um that Caleb hammery Caleb hammery Caleb hammery in terms of him as a uh content creator. in terms of him as a uh content creator. in terms of him as a uh content creator. She's saying something slightly She's saying something slightly She's saying something slightly different. Um, but yes, N of One is different. Um, but yes, N of One is different. Um, but yes, N of One is great. I love that. I think it's great. I love that. I think it's great. I love that. I think it's absolutely brilliant. Uh, and the future absolutely brilliant. Uh, and the future absolutely brilliant. Uh, and the future of a lot of this stuff may be just of a lot of this stuff may be just of a lot of this stuff may be just smashing these ideas together. uh like smashing these ideas together. uh like smashing these ideas together. uh like the large hydron collider over and over the large hydron collider over and over the large hydron collider over and over and over so that people begin to map and over so that people begin to map and over so that people begin to map what the actual thing is so they can what the actual thing is so they can what the actual thing is so they can build their own plan. That's really my build their own plan. That's really my build their own plan. That's really my takeaway. takeaway. takeaway. >> Nice. >> Nice. >> Nice. >> Tom, Billy, Jubilee video win. >> Tom, Billy, Jubilee video win. >> Tom, Billy, Jubilee video win. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> No, because that's like a that's a >> No, because that's like a that's a >> No, because that's like a that's a format that I know that I won't do well format that I know that I won't do well format that I know that I won't do well at. But those guys, I'd be interested to at. But those guys, I'd be interested to at. But those guys, I'd be interested to see how many of those kids come out of see how many of those kids come out of see how many of those kids come out of this format because if you watch the this format because if you watch the this format because if you watch the Jubilee videos, these are not like Jubilee videos, these are not like Jubilee videos, these are not like randos. In the very beginning, it felt a randos. In the very beginning, it felt a randos. In the very beginning, it felt a little bit like randos. And so the um little bit like randos. And so the um little bit like randos. And so the um the one person often times felt like the one person often times felt like the one person often times felt like they had an advantage over the people they had an advantage over the people they had an advantage over the people that they were arguing with. It's really that they were arguing with. It's really that they were arguing with. It's really shifting now and they're getting really shifting now and they're getting really shifting now and they're getting really sharp, well practiced people that know sharp, well practiced people that know sharp, well practiced people that know like all the okay, here's what the like all the okay, here's what the like all the okay, here's what the normal talking points are. Um it's in normal talking points are. Um it's in normal talking points are. Um it's in the Israel Palestine thing, it's really the Israel Palestine thing, it's really the Israel Palestine thing, it's really interesting to see. So like take a Medi interesting to see. So like take a Medi interesting to see. So like take a Medi Hassan, right? So Medi knows his side Hassan, right? So Medi knows his side Hassan, right? So Medi knows his side just extraordinarily well. He's one of just extraordinarily well. He's one of just extraordinarily well. He's one of the best representatives of that side. the best representatives of that side. the best representatives of that side. Then you've got somebody like Nick Matau Then you've got somebody like Nick Matau Then you've got somebody like Nick Matau who's on the opposite side and they're who's on the opposite side and they're who's on the opposite side and they're you're never going to be able to knock you're never going to be able to knock you're never going to be able to knock them off with like the basic [ __ ] them off with like the basic [ __ ] them off with like the basic [ __ ] arguments. Like you you're going to be arguments. Like you you're going to be arguments. Like you you're going to be like 10 layers deep. You for instance like 10 layers deep. You for instance like 10 layers deep. You for instance with Nick Mattow you can't quote with Nick Mattow you can't quote with Nick Mattow you can't quote scripture. He'll just be like I've read scripture. He'll just be like I've read scripture. He'll just be like I've read the Quran more than you and so here are the Quran more than you and so here are the Quran more than you and so here are the defenses. Um it's very very the defenses. Um it's very very the defenses. Um it's very very interesting. And so Jubilee is starting interesting. And so Jubilee is starting interesting. And so Jubilee is starting to feel more like that. And so once you to feel more like that. And so once you to feel more like that. And so once you have one, like if every one of the have one, like if every one of the have one, like if every one of the people in the circle is equally prepared people in the circle is equally prepared people in the circle is equally prepared against that one person, they're going against that one person, they're going against that one person, they're going to have a hard time pulling out a a dub. to have a hard time pulling out a a dub. to have a hard time pulling out a a dub. And so I think Jubilee as as debate And so I think Jubilee as as debate And so I think Jubilee as as debate becomes a thing where it's like these becomes a thing where it's like these becomes a thing where it's like these guys are armed on the topic, you're guys are armed on the topic, you're guys are armed on the topic, you're really better off in a 1v one situation really better off in a 1v one situation really better off in a 1v one situation because these are elite athletes. So because these are elite athletes. So because these are elite athletes. So it's like no matter how good, like take it's like no matter how good, like take it's like no matter how good, like take Jordan. If it's Jordan versus 25 people, Jordan. If it's Jordan versus 25 people, Jordan. If it's Jordan versus 25 people, Jordan's gonna lose every time at at the Jordan's gonna lose every time at at the Jordan's gonna lose every time at at the peak of his powers. peak of his powers. peak of his powers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so the I think it's interesting to >> And so the I think it's interesting to >> And so the I think it's interesting to see people getting so much better at the see people getting so much better at the see people getting so much better at the game, but I think it's it's going to end game, but I think it's it's going to end game, but I think it's it's going to end up being one v ones. up being one v ones. up being one v ones. >> No. Yeah, cuz they're actually creating >> No. Yeah, cuz they're actually creating >> No. Yeah, cuz they're actually creating influencers in that way. And shout out influencers in that way. And shout out influencers in that way. And shout out to Jubilee. It's a great format. Um, but to Jubilee. It's a great format. Um, but to Jubilee. It's a great format. Um, but Dean Wither started there. There was Dean Wither started there. There was Dean Wither started there. There was that uh black girl with the dreads. She that uh black girl with the dreads. She that uh black girl with the dreads. She has like a podcast thing now. Matt has like a podcast thing now. Matt has like a podcast thing now. Matt Nuclear. Nuclear. Nuclear. >> Matt Nuclear. Yeah. He's somebody that >> Matt Nuclear. Yeah. He's somebody that >> Matt Nuclear. Yeah. He's somebody that comes across my feed. He's interesting. comes across my feed. He's interesting. comes across my feed. He's interesting. >> Yeah. So, there's a couple people that >> Yeah. So, there's a couple people that >> Yeah. So, there's a couple people that have created platforms from it just have created platforms from it just have created platforms from it just because they dunked on it. The because they dunked on it. The because they dunked on it. The Republican guy who always dresses in Republican guy who always dresses in Republican guy who always dresses in like a suit and tie. I forgot his name. like a suit and tie. I forgot his name. like a suit and tie. I forgot his name. But But But >> Dave Rubin. >> Dave Rubin. >> Dave Rubin. >> No, no, no, no, no. He was started in >> No, no, no, no, no. He was started in >> No, no, no, no, no. He was started in the the the >> He was one of the ones that it was not a >> He was one of the ones that it was not a >> He was one of the ones that it was not a crowning achievement of his crowning achievement of his crowning achievement of his >> Yeah. Dave Room got >> Yeah. Dave Room got >> Yeah. Dave Room got >> political career. That's the problem. >> political career. That's the problem. >> political career. That's the problem. Like, so, first of all, I debate is Like, so, first of all, I debate is Like, so, first of all, I debate is probably not Dave's format. probably not Dave's format. probably not Dave's format. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> yeah, it probably not his format. And so >> yeah, it probably not his format. And so >> yeah, it probably not his format. And so going up against these like top tier going up against these like top tier going up against these like top tier debaters and there's whatever 20 of debaters and there's whatever 20 of debaters and there's whatever 20 of them. Uh not not going to go well. them. Uh not not going to go well. them. Uh not not going to go well. >> How would you describe the debate trend? >> How would you describe the debate trend? >> How would you describe the debate trend? Like someone else was searching that in Like someone else was searching that in Like someone else was searching that in YouTube. Is it like underground debates YouTube. Is it like underground debates YouTube. Is it like underground debates or like or like or like >> That's a really good question. I don't >> That's a really good question. I don't >> That's a really good question. I don't know what the name of it is. If you know what the name of it is. If you know what the name of it is. If you start looking up Joust TV or um live uh start looking up Joust TV or um live uh start looking up Joust TV or um live uh Tik Tok live political debate, you'll Tik Tok live political debate, you'll Tik Tok live political debate, you'll get on to it for sure. get on to it for sure. get on to it for sure. >> Um because those are the platforms where >> Um because those are the platforms where >> Um because those are the platforms where a lot of this is taking place. So, you'd a lot of this is taking place. So, you'd a lot of this is taking place. So, you'd be able to find it, I'm sure, pretty be able to find it, I'm sure, pretty be able to find it, I'm sure, pretty easily. Um, but for me, I encounter it easily. Um, but for me, I encounter it easily. Um, but for me, I encounter it as clips on um YouTube. as clips on um YouTube. as clips on um YouTube. >> Got it. It's called like debate bro >> Got it. It's called like debate bro >> Got it. It's called like debate bro content and it I think it started with content and it I think it started with content and it I think it started with Steven Crowder when he would do that Steven Crowder when he would do that Steven Crowder when he would do that stupid table [ __ ] and he'd go sit out on stupid table [ __ ] and he'd go sit out on stupid table [ __ ] and he'd go sit out on college campuses. college campuses. college campuses. >> Um, so I think it's just like the next >> Um, so I think it's just like the next >> Um, so I think it's just like the next like iteration of that. like iteration of that. like iteration of that. >> Yeah. It's like the live streamer >> Yeah. It's like the live streamer >> Yeah. It's like the live streamer format. So, format. So, format. So, >> but it's just like not substance. It's >> but it's just like not substance. It's >> but it's just like not substance. It's all like you're saying. It's all like you're saying. It's all like you're saying. It's entertainment. There's no conversation. entertainment. There's no conversation. entertainment. There's no conversation. >> This stuff is very substantive. >> This stuff is very substantive. >> This stuff is very substantive. >> Well, I mean it's not conversation. It's >> Well, I mean it's not conversation. It's >> Well, I mean it's not conversation. It's not like us, you know? not like us. not like us, you know? not like us. not like us, you know? not like us. You're right. It is two people trying to You're right. It is two people trying to You're right. It is two people trying to make the other person look stupid. make the other person look stupid. make the other person look stupid. >> Um, but what I like about it is you race >> Um, but what I like about it is you race >> Um, but what I like about it is you race right to the end to like the distilled right to the end to like the distilled right to the end to like the distilled arguments. arguments. arguments. >> So, you get to each when when you get >> So, you get to each when when you get >> So, you get to each when when you get two good people, each side knows like two good people, each side knows like two good people, each side knows like the moves and the counter moves. So, the moves and the counter moves. So, the moves and the counter moves. So, it's like watching black belt jiu-jitsu it's like watching black belt jiu-jitsu it's like watching black belt jiu-jitsu fighters where it's like, okay, Ronda fighters where it's like, okay, Ronda fighters where it's like, okay, Ronda Rousey throwing an armbar on a guy and Rousey throwing an armbar on a guy and Rousey throwing an armbar on a guy and th this is backed up by um Dana White th this is backed up by um Dana White th this is backed up by um Dana White movie theater. There's like two big movie theater. There's like two big movie theater. There's like two big guys, I think, and um and they were with guys, I think, and um and they were with guys, I think, and um and they were with a girl and the girl was like making all a girl and the girl was like making all a girl and the girl was like making all this noise and so um she had put her this noise and so um she had put her this noise and so um she had put her like shoes on Rhonda's seat and was like like shoes on Rhonda's seat and was like like shoes on Rhonda's seat and was like kicking it the whole movie. And so at kicking it the whole movie. And so at kicking it the whole movie. And so at the end Rhonda like confronts her, the the end Rhonda like confronts her, the the end Rhonda like confronts her, the guys go to give her [ __ ] and she [ __ ] guys go to give her [ __ ] and she [ __ ] guys go to give her [ __ ] and she [ __ ] jiu-jitsu them like legitimately. And jiu-jitsu them like legitimately. And jiu-jitsu them like legitimately. And that is if that was a black belt, this that is if that was a black belt, this that is if that was a black belt, this plays out very differently, right? So plays out very differently, right? So plays out very differently, right? So when you see one person just dunking on when you see one person just dunking on when you see one person just dunking on somebody that they don't know, not very somebody that they don't know, not very somebody that they don't know, not very interesting. But when you see two people interesting. But when you see two people interesting. But when you see two people who are like, "No, no, no. can't run who are like, "No, no, no. can't run who are like, "No, no, no. can't run that trick on me from either side. You that trick on me from either side. You that trick on me from either side. You you sort of race to like the best of the you sort of race to like the best of the you sort of race to like the best of the best arguments and it's like, oh damn, best arguments and it's like, oh damn, best arguments and it's like, oh damn, that person's got something really that person's got something really that person's got something really interesting to think through. And if interesting to think through. And if interesting to think through. And if you're not trying to win and you're you're not trying to win and you're you're not trying to win and you're really just trying to understand and really just trying to understand and really just trying to understand and form your own opinion, it's very form your own opinion, it's very form your own opinion, it's very interesting. So anyway, I have found my interesting. So anyway, I have found my interesting. So anyway, I have found my YouTube feed is now just like a YouTube feed is now just like a YouTube feed is now just like a never-ending stream of apparently debate never-ending stream of apparently debate never-ending stream of apparently debate bro content. But when you find like good bro content. But when you find like good bro content. But when you find like good [ __ ] it will really challenge your own [ __ ] it will really challenge your own [ __ ] it will really challenge your own beliefs. It's how I felt finding Steve beliefs. It's how I felt finding Steve beliefs. It's how I felt finding Steve Keen. I was like, "Oo, this guy can't be Keen. I was like, "Oo, this guy can't be Keen. I was like, "Oo, this guy can't be dismissed." And he's saying things that dismissed." And he's saying things that dismissed." And he's saying things that are like, "This is not matching my are like, "This is not matching my are like, "This is not matching my current mental model of the world." Now, current mental model of the world." Now, current mental model of the world." Now, if you hunger for that, it's great if you hunger for that, it's great if you hunger for that, it's great content. If you want a bubble, it's bad content. If you want a bubble, it's bad content. If you want a bubble, it's bad content because you'll just end up content because you'll just end up content because you'll just end up gravitating towards a guy that's just gravitating towards a guy that's just gravitating towards a guy that's just saying what you want to hear. Uh, which saying what you want to hear. Uh, which saying what you want to hear. Uh, which is not super useful. is not super useful. is not super useful. >> It's It's interesting though, cuz I'm >> It's It's interesting though, cuz I'm >> It's It's interesting though, cuz I'm looking at uh Ryan's chat. You say you looking at uh Ryan's chat. You say you looking at uh Ryan's chat. You say you don't really like uh Destiny. Uh don't really like uh Destiny. Uh don't really like uh Destiny. Uh >> well, that's also He's like a sex >> well, that's also He's like a sex >> well, that's also He's like a sex offender. offender. offender. >> Keep in mind Ryan is way to the left of >> Keep in mind Ryan is way to the left of >> Keep in mind Ryan is way to the left of Destiny. No, cuz somebody said Destiny Destiny. No, cuz somebody said Destiny Destiny. No, cuz somebody said Destiny is a closeted Republican. And I was is a closeted Republican. And I was is a closeted Republican. And I was like, like, like, >> "Yeah, that's Yeah, I'm going say no. >> "Yeah, that's Yeah, I'm going say no. >> "Yeah, that's Yeah, I'm going say no. Destiny is like the last centrist on the Destiny is like the last centrist on the Destiny is like the last centrist on the internet, I feel like." And even him, I internet, I feel like." And even him, I internet, I feel like." And even him, I feel like feel like feel like >> Destiny's very Destiny leans to the >> Destiny's very Destiny leans to the >> Destiny's very Destiny leans to the left. left. left. >> Yes, for sure. >> Yes, for sure. >> Yes, for sure. >> Do Am I uncharitable to say that he >> Do Am I uncharitable to say that he >> Do Am I uncharitable to say that he leans farther left than I lean right? I leans farther left than I lean right? I leans farther left than I lean right? I think so. Um, but he is close to the think so. Um, but he is close to the think so. Um, but he is close to the middle. And so when you look at um the middle. And so when you look at um the middle. And so when you look at um the people that are now going to try to make people that are now going to try to make people that are now going to try to make him sound like a closeted Republican, him sound like a closeted Republican, him sound like a closeted Republican, they are DSA. Yeah. which is Mao. they are DSA. Yeah. which is Mao. they are DSA. Yeah. which is Mao. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So that is like so crazy far-left. Um >> So that is like so crazy far-left. Um >> So that is like so crazy far-left. Um that Yeah. It's gonna make him look that Yeah. It's gonna make him look that Yeah. It's gonna make him look right leaning, which he is definitely right leaning, which he is definitely right leaning, which he is definitely not. not. not. >> Yes. That's why it's interesting. Like >> Yes. That's why it's interesting. Like >> Yes. That's why it's interesting. Like Yeah. I think centrist liberals the Yeah. I think centrist liberals the Yeah. I think centrist liberals the best. Someone said it in chat. Centrist best. Someone said it in chat. Centrist best. Someone said it in chat. Centrist liberals the best read on him. liberals the best read on him. liberals the best read on him. >> That seems reasonable. >> That seems reasonable. >> That seems reasonable. >> Yeah. All right. Flo Fibonacci says, >> Yeah. All right. Flo Fibonacci says, >> Yeah. All right. Flo Fibonacci says, "Mass movements can rise without belief "Mass movements can rise without belief "Mass movements can rise without belief in God, but never without a devil to in God, but never without a devil to in God, but never without a devil to blame. populist turned the present into blame. populist turned the present into blame. populist turned the present into the battleground between a glorious past the battleground between a glorious past the battleground between a glorious past that never was and a prosperous future that never was and a prosperous future that never was and a prosperous future that will never come. Wake up. Let's go. that will never come. Wake up. Let's go. that will never come. Wake up. Let's go. That was bars. That was That was bars. That was That was bars. That was >> Jeez, it's like a poetry slam. Jeez. >> Jeez, it's like a poetry slam. Jeez. >> Jeez, it's like a poetry slam. Jeez. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Yo, I got chills. That was good. >> Yo, I got chills. That was good. >> Yo, I got chills. That was good. >> That was good. That was nice. >> That was good. That was nice. >> That was good. That was nice. >> Who is this guy? This is the first chat. >> Who is this guy? This is the first chat. >> Who is this guy? This is the first chat. Wait, we've heard that name. We heard Wait, we've heard that name. We heard Wait, we've heard that name. We heard that before. that before. that before. >> Almost certainly. Flo, am I making that >> Almost certainly. Flo, am I making that >> Almost certainly. Flo, am I making that up? I swear. Maybe just Fibonacci. up? I swear. Maybe just Fibonacci. up? I swear. Maybe just Fibonacci. >> Pull up in Discord, bro. That was great. >> Pull up in Discord, bro. That was great. >> Pull up in Discord, bro. That was great. Yeah, hang out. Yeah, hang out. Yeah, hang out. Well done. Well done. Well done. >> Uh, and Flo Fibonacci, thank you for >> Uh, and Flo Fibonacci, thank you for >> Uh, and Flo Fibonacci, thank you for another 20, so 40 total. Said, "Tom, another 20, so 40 total. Said, "Tom, another 20, so 40 total. Said, "Tom, care to share what exactly you love so care to share what exactly you love so care to share what exactly you love so much about the Odyssey. Personally, I much about the Odyssey. Personally, I much about the Odyssey. Personally, I cannot really tell why, but the movie cannot really tell why, but the movie cannot really tell why, but the movie filled a longing in my soul I did not filled a longing in my soul I did not filled a longing in my soul I did not know existed. Been thinking about it for know existed. Been thinking about it for know existed. Been thinking about it for 3 days straight." 3 days straight." 3 days straight." >> Flo Fibonacci, that is exactly why. >> Flo Fibonacci, that is exactly why. >> Flo Fibonacci, that is exactly why. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> So, okay, I'll give you the specifics. I >> So, okay, I'll give you the specifics. I >> So, okay, I'll give you the specifics. I um this is a spoiler alert because I'm um this is a spoiler alert because I'm um this is a spoiler alert because I'm going to go deep on the themes here and going to go deep on the themes here and going to go deep on the themes here and anybody that doesn't want to hear about anybody that doesn't want to hear about anybody that doesn't want to hear about it, I hate doing this because I it, I hate doing this because I it, I hate doing this because I certainly want as many people here as I certainly want as many people here as I certainly want as many people here as I can get. Uh but um to talk about it can get. Uh but um to talk about it can get. Uh but um to talk about it deeply, uh I will have to potentially deeply, uh I will have to potentially deeply, uh I will have to potentially spoil some things. All right, so here's spoil some things. All right, so here's spoil some things. All right, so here's why I thought that it was utterly why I thought that it was utterly why I thought that it was utterly brilliant. Um first of all, the way he brilliant. Um first of all, the way he brilliant. Um first of all, the way he plays with time is very cool. And so plays with time is very cool. And so plays with time is very cool. And so you'll find that oh wait, this is either you'll find that oh wait, this is either you'll find that oh wait, this is either a flashback or this is modern day. never a flashback or this is modern day. never a flashback or this is modern day. never says what it is, but you track it. And says what it is, but you track it. And says what it is, but you track it. And so he's so good at that, he does it in so he's so good at that, he does it in so he's so good at that, he does it in momentto in the most brilliant way momentto in the most brilliant way momentto in the most brilliant way possible. Uh he does it again here, not possible. Uh he does it again here, not possible. Uh he does it again here, not in a momentto way, but a similar way of in a momentto way, but a similar way of in a momentto way, but a similar way of condensing things down, moving through condensing things down, moving through condensing things down, moving through time seamlessly, but you don't get lost. time seamlessly, but you don't get lost. time seamlessly, but you don't get lost. Thought that was brilliant. Um also the Thought that was brilliant. Um also the Thought that was brilliant. Um also the themes were to me extraordinary. So I'm themes were to me extraordinary. So I'm themes were to me extraordinary. So I'm not entirely sure if I think that not entirely sure if I think that not entirely sure if I think that Odysius is um a villain or a hero. Odysius is um a villain or a hero. Odysius is um a villain or a hero. given that I believe in um what the guy given that I believe in um what the guy given that I believe in um what the guy that wrote the Gulog Archipelago said uh that wrote the Gulog Archipelago said uh that wrote the Gulog Archipelago said uh on Andre Alexander Soldier Nitson he on Andre Alexander Soldier Nitson he on Andre Alexander Soldier Nitson he said the line between good and evil runs said the line between good and evil runs said the line between good and evil runs through every human heart through every human heart through every human heart >> when you watch the movie um and and I >> when you watch the movie um and and I >> when you watch the movie um and and I won't say what he does but in the movie won't say what he does but in the movie won't say what he does but in the movie he does a thing that I wanted to like he does a thing that I wanted to like he does a thing that I wanted to like chew through the screen I was so angry chew through the screen I was so angry chew through the screen I was so angry that he did it was so stupid and I was that he did it was so stupid and I was that he did it was so stupid and I was like yeah but people do dumb [ __ ] and so like yeah but people do dumb [ __ ] and so like yeah but people do dumb [ __ ] and so I was like interesting the cave I was like interesting the cave I was like interesting the cave >> yes Okay. I was I was the cave and he >> yes Okay. I was I was the cave and he >> yes Okay. I was I was the cave and he doesn't plug his ears in the one part. doesn't plug his ears in the one part. doesn't plug his ears in the one part. That's the hubris. That's the hubris. That's the hubris. >> Got it. Got it. Got it. >> Got it. Got it. Got it. >> Got it. Got it. Got it. >> So you [laughter] you end up going, >> So you [laughter] you end up going, >> So you [laughter] you end up going, "What a [ __ ] dumbass." And then "What a [ __ ] dumbass." And then "What a [ __ ] dumbass." And then you're like, "Wait, Homer's just really you're like, "Wait, Homer's just really you're like, "Wait, Homer's just really that insightful." that insightful." that insightful." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And it's the same thing that I feel >> And it's the same thing that I feel >> And it's the same thing that I feel about um about um about um uh god, Harry Potter was written by JK uh god, Harry Potter was written by JK uh god, Harry Potter was written by JK Rowling. So I feel that same way about Rowling. So I feel that same way about Rowling. So I feel that same way about her. She resists the urge to make Harry her. She resists the urge to make Harry her. She resists the urge to make Harry just a good boy. and he's petty at times just a good boy. and he's petty at times just a good boy. and he's petty at times and he's insecure and he makes dumb and he's insecure and he makes dumb and he's insecure and he makes dumb decisions and he's too brash and so but decisions and he's too brash and so but decisions and he's too brash and so but in the end does the good thing and the in the end does the good thing and the in the end does the good thing and the right thing and so when you look at the right thing and so when you look at the right thing and so when you look at the Odyssey when he finally major spoiler Odyssey when he finally major spoiler Odyssey when he finally major spoiler alert for anybody that hasn't um read alert for anybody that hasn't um read alert for anybody that hasn't um read the story um when he finally makes it the story um when he finally makes it the story um when he finally makes it back to Ithaca but he does so in back to Ithaca but he does so in back to Ithaca but he does so in disguise I was like whoa what what is disguise I was like whoa what what is disguise I was like whoa what what is this saying and it's like the surface is this saying and it's like the surface is this saying and it's like the surface is he's looking fur snakes in the grass. he's looking fur snakes in the grass. he's looking fur snakes in the grass. And so you you could just like I have And so you you could just like I have And so you you could just like I have the chills thinking about it. You can the chills thinking about it. You can the chills thinking about it. You can just go, "Oh, this is he's just being just go, "Oh, this is he's just being just go, "Oh, this is he's just being smart. He's being strategic." No, no, smart. He's being strategic." No, no, smart. He's being strategic." No, no, no. What he reveals in the end when you no. What he reveals in the end when you no. What he reveals in the end when you finally find out who uh what's her name finally find out who uh what's her name finally find out who uh what's her name is is is >> um what is her name? She's with Tom >> um what is her name? She's with Tom >> um what is her name? She's with Tom Holland. Holland. Holland. >> Oh, Zenaia. >> Oh, Zenaia. >> Oh, Zenaia. >> Yeah, Zenaia. So when when you find out >> Yeah, Zenaia. So when when you find out >> Yeah, Zenaia. So when when you find out who she really is, you're like, who she really is, you're like, who she really is, you're like, >> "Oh [ __ ] he doesn't know that he's >> "Oh [ __ ] he doesn't know that he's >> "Oh [ __ ] he doesn't know that he's earned the right to come home." And earned the right to come home." And earned the right to come home." And >> I was like, "Godamn." And so all of >> I was like, "Godamn." And so all of >> I was like, "Godamn." And so all of that, but then he [ __ ] fights and you that, but then he [ __ ] fights and you that, but then he [ __ ] fights and you see him take everybody on and he's got see him take everybody on and he's got see him take everybody on and he's got to be brilliant and he's got to be to be brilliant and he's got to be to be brilliant and he's got to be daring and then you realize this one for daring and then you realize this one for daring and then you realize this one for me was the killer because this is this me was the killer because this is this me was the killer because this is this moment and and whether because I think moment and and whether because I think moment and and whether because I think that Nolan is probably a little that Nolan is probably a little that Nolan is probably a little far-left. But the fact that to tell a far-left. But the fact that to tell a far-left. But the fact that to tell a true human story, he couldn't escape the true human story, he couldn't escape the true human story, he couldn't escape the reality that the only way for Tom reality that the only way for Tom reality that the only way for Tom Holland's character to be who Tom Holland's character to be who Tom Holland's character to be who Tom Holland's character needs to be, he has Holland's character needs to be, he has Holland's character needs to be, he has to finally man the [ __ ] up. And so he to finally man the [ __ ] up. And so he to finally man the [ __ ] up. And so he gets him slapped down early in the gets him slapped down early in the gets him slapped down early in the story. He isn't man enough. His own story. He isn't man enough. His own story. He isn't man enough. His own mother is like, "You're too big of a mother is like, "You're too big of a mother is like, "You're too big of a pussy." And so he's like, "Fuck." Uh, pussy." And so he's like, "Fuck." Uh, pussy." And so he's like, "Fuck." Uh, like, "What am I going to do?" And so he like, "What am I going to do?" And so he like, "What am I going to do?" And so he goes on this journey and you think, "Oh, goes on this journey and you think, "Oh, goes on this journey and you think, "Oh, he's gonna finally man up." He doesn't he's gonna finally man up." He doesn't he's gonna finally man up." He doesn't [ __ ] man up. So you're like, "Jesus [ __ ] man up. So you're like, "Jesus [ __ ] man up. So you're like, "Jesus Christ." So he goes back to Ithaca. His Christ." So he goes back to Ithaca. His Christ." So he goes back to Ithaca. His dad rolls up and is like, "I'm so proud dad rolls up and is like, "I'm so proud dad rolls up and is like, "I'm so proud of you." The kid hasn't done it yet, but of you." The kid hasn't done it yet, but of you." The kid hasn't done it yet, but his dad is like, "I see you. I love you his dad is like, "I see you. I love you his dad is like, "I see you. I love you for who you are right now here." And all for who you are right now here." And all for who you are right now here." And all of us, I think, have this like longing of us, I think, have this like longing of us, I think, have this like longing to [ __ ] hear that, even though we to [ __ ] hear that, even though we to [ __ ] hear that, even though we haven't earned it yet. And our dad, who haven't earned it yet. And our dad, who haven't earned it yet. And our dad, who is like the ultimate [ __ ] dude, but is like the ultimate [ __ ] dude, but is like the ultimate [ __ ] dude, but also is a [ __ ] father. He's just gone. also is a [ __ ] father. He's just gone. also is a [ __ ] father. He's just gone. We feel like we've never even met our We feel like we've never even met our We feel like we've never even met our dad. We've lived in our dad's shadow dad. We've lived in our dad's shadow dad. We've lived in our dad's shadow forever. And our dad is still like, "I'm forever. And our dad is still like, "I'm forever. And our dad is still like, "I'm I'm proud I'm proud I'm proud >> of who you are. I love you." and she >> of who you are. I love you." and she >> of who you are. I love you." and she like [ __ ] that's what he needs to then like [ __ ] that's what he needs to then like [ __ ] that's what he needs to then be like okay I'm going to do the thing be like okay I'm going to do the thing be like okay I'm going to do the thing right and so he's put in a position right and so he's put in a position right and so he's put in a position where he's like he could puss out but he where he's like he could puss out but he where he's like he could puss out but he doesn't and so he goes and confronts his doesn't and so he goes and confronts his doesn't and so he goes and confronts his own mortality the fact that he will have own mortality the fact that he will have own mortality the fact that he will have to kill in order to finally ascend to to kill in order to finally ascend to to kill in order to finally ascend to the throne but his dad is like I broke the throne but his dad is like I broke the throne but his dad is like I broke something I can't be the king I have to something I can't be the king I have to something I can't be the king I have to [ __ ] leave and so like the self-exile [ __ ] leave and so like the self-exile [ __ ] leave and so like the self-exile of it all the like I did it I couldn't of it all the like I did it I couldn't of it all the like I did it I couldn't do it perfectly cuz I'm not perfect do it perfectly cuz I'm not perfect do it perfectly cuz I'm not perfect enough and so I [ __ ] up but I did the enough and so I [ __ ] up but I did the enough and so I [ __ ] up but I did the thing I did finally [ __ ] make it back thing I did finally [ __ ] make it back thing I did finally [ __ ] make it back and I did it imperfectly and I lost all and I did it imperfectly and I lost all and I did it imperfectly and I lost all my men and for that like I'll I'll owe my men and for that like I'll I'll owe my men and for that like I'll I'll owe atonement forever and so my my ultimate atonement forever and so my my ultimate atonement forever and so my my ultimate sort of punishment is that I must exile sort of punishment is that I must exile sort of punishment is that I must exile myself. It's like god damn even now I'm myself. It's like god damn even now I'm myself. It's like god damn even now I'm [ __ ] freaking out about it. So that [ __ ] freaking out about it. So that [ __ ] freaking out about it. So that whole thing was just like yes this is whole thing was just like yes this is whole thing was just like yes this is the messiness of the human experience. the messiness of the human experience. the messiness of the human experience. And I love that it came from some [ __ ] And I love that it came from some [ __ ] And I love that it came from some [ __ ] from thousands of years ago, right? that from thousands of years ago, right? that from thousands of years ago, right? that a guy [ __ ] knew this that long ago. a guy [ __ ] knew this that long ago. a guy [ __ ] knew this that long ago. And that right now in this moment, we've And that right now in this moment, we've And that right now in this moment, we've gotten a little confused because we have gotten a little confused because we have gotten a little confused because we have stopped telling stories that are [ __ ] stopped telling stories that are [ __ ] stopped telling stories that are [ __ ] morally grounded on the truth of the morally grounded on the truth of the morally grounded on the truth of the human experience. That you cannot have a human experience. That you cannot have a human experience. That you cannot have a king that hasn't earned his spot. That king that hasn't earned his spot. That king that hasn't earned his spot. That in trying to be a good king, you can in trying to be a good king, you can in trying to be a good king, you can [ __ ] up. In trying to be a good husband, [ __ ] up. In trying to be a good husband, [ __ ] up. In trying to be a good husband, you can [ __ ] up. And for dumb reasons. you can [ __ ] up. And for dumb reasons. you can [ __ ] up. And for dumb reasons. and that a guy trying to get back to his and that a guy trying to get back to his and that a guy trying to get back to his wife spends whatever seven or eight wife spends whatever seven or eight wife spends whatever seven or eight years on drugs banging some other chick. years on drugs banging some other chick. years on drugs banging some other chick. You're like uhoh. Like that's [ __ ] You're like uhoh. Like that's [ __ ] You're like uhoh. Like that's [ __ ] weird. And then when he finally snaps weird. And then when he finally snaps weird. And then when he finally snaps out of the haze and it's like wait like out of the haze and it's like wait like out of the haze and it's like wait like I've allowed myself to forget all these I've allowed myself to forget all these I've allowed myself to forget all these things. It's obviously a metaphor for things. It's obviously a metaphor for things. It's obviously a metaphor for people that try to numb the pain out and people that try to numb the pain out and people that try to numb the pain out and just like and so the guy who's supposed just like and so the guy who's supposed just like and so the guy who's supposed to be the hero, he spends a lot of time to be the hero, he spends a lot of time to be the hero, he spends a lot of time numbing himself out trying to forget his numbing himself out trying to forget his numbing himself out trying to forget his fuckups and all the people that oh my fuckups and all the people that oh my fuckups and all the people that oh my god it's just it's the [ __ ] human god it's just it's the [ __ ] human god it's just it's the [ __ ] human experience and Nolan managed to pack it experience and Nolan managed to pack it experience and Nolan managed to pack it all into three hours and I don't know all into three hours and I don't know all into three hours and I don't know the original story. I didn't read it in the original story. I didn't read it in the original story. I didn't read it in high school. I've never read it. So it's high school. I've never read it. So it's high school. I've never read it. So it's like ah you hear enough about it through like ah you hear enough about it through like ah you hear enough about it through life that you're sort of like skimming life that you're sort of like skimming life that you're sort of like skimming across the surface. I wasn't completely across the surface. I wasn't completely across the surface. I wasn't completely unmed but at the same time I didn't know unmed but at the same time I didn't know unmed but at the same time I didn't know like what moral tale am I about to hear? like what moral tale am I about to hear? like what moral tale am I about to hear? Like is he going to be painted as like I Like is he going to be painted as like I Like is he going to be painted as like I did everything right? And so at first I did everything right? And so at first I did everything right? And so at first I was just angry and I was thinking when was just angry and I was thinking when was just angry and I was thinking when when he does the thing in the cave that when he does the thing in the cave that when he does the thing in the cave that I was just thinking that um Nolan like I was just thinking that um Nolan like I was just thinking that um Nolan like is doing some dumb [ __ ] or Homer doesn't is doing some dumb [ __ ] or Homer doesn't is doing some dumb [ __ ] or Homer doesn't know what the [ __ ] he's doing or know what the [ __ ] he's doing or know what the [ __ ] he's doing or whatever and then you realize oh my god whatever and then you realize oh my god whatever and then you realize oh my god like he's trying to get at the fact that like he's trying to get at the fact that like he's trying to get at the fact that we're not perfect. We do dumb [ __ ] This we're not perfect. We do dumb [ __ ] This we're not perfect. We do dumb [ __ ] This guy was emotional for a second in in the guy was emotional for a second in in the guy was emotional for a second in in the worst possible time and other people end worst possible time and other people end worst possible time and other people end up paying an extraordinary price for his up paying an extraordinary price for his up paying an extraordinary price for his what you're calling hubris. In that what you're calling hubris. In that what you're calling hubris. In that moment, I I think maybe the taking off moment, I I think maybe the taking off moment, I I think maybe the taking off the beeswax, you could call that. But um the beeswax, you could call that. But um the beeswax, you could call that. But um in that moment, he was just emotional. in that moment, he was just emotional. in that moment, he was just emotional. He was just mad. And so he did a thing He was just mad. And so he did a thing He was just mad. And so he did a thing out of anger to be like, "Fuck you." out of anger to be like, "Fuck you." out of anger to be like, "Fuck you." Even though the obvious strategic move Even though the obvious strategic move Even though the obvious strategic move was to just lay low and get the [ __ ] was to just lay low and get the [ __ ] was to just lay low and get the [ __ ] out. And I think it speaks to Nolan as out. And I think it speaks to Nolan as out. And I think it speaks to Nolan as well because in and correct me if I'm well because in and correct me if I'm well because in and correct me if I'm wrong, Brian, because I remember you wrong, Brian, because I remember you wrong, Brian, because I remember you said you read it. Um, back when I read said you read it. Um, back when I read said you read it. Um, back when I read it, like I was like, why is Odysius so it, like I was like, why is Odysius so it, like I was like, why is Odysius so overpowered? Like he's basically, you overpowered? Like he's basically, you overpowered? Like he's basically, you know, how everyone complains about Ray know, how everyone complains about Ray know, how everyone complains about Ray in Star Wars? That's what he kind of in Star Wars? That's what he kind of in Star Wars? That's what he kind of felt like in in the actual poem. And so felt like in in the actual poem. And so felt like in in the actual poem. And so for Nolan to add those elements like for Nolan to add those elements like for Nolan to add those elements like you're saying with the arrow and stuff, you're saying with the arrow and stuff, you're saying with the arrow and stuff, it humanizes him to a degree that the it humanizes him to a degree that the it humanizes him to a degree that the original story doesn't, which makes it original story doesn't, which makes it original story doesn't, which makes it more relatable to us. Like Nolan's whole more relatable to us. Like Nolan's whole more relatable to us. Like Nolan's whole inspiration for this was I'm too away inspiration for this was I'm too away inspiration for this was I'm too away from my family all the time and that is from my family all the time and that is from my family all the time and that is something about myself I don't like and something about myself I don't like and something about myself I don't like and you see it in that last act and that you see it in that last act and that you see it in that last act and that kind of goes into what you're saying kind of goes into what you're saying kind of goes into what you're saying with the whole we make silly mistakes we with the whole we make silly mistakes we with the whole we make silly mistakes we prioritize things we shouldn't etc. I prioritize things we shouldn't etc. I prioritize things we shouldn't etc. I mean, it's just Nolan's such a good mean, it's just Nolan's such a good mean, it's just Nolan's such a good writer, writer, writer, >> dude. I didn't know I hadn't heard >> dude. I didn't know I hadn't heard >> dude. I didn't know I hadn't heard anything about why he approached the anything about why he approached the anything about why he approached the topic. That makes a lot of sense. So, topic. That makes a lot of sense. So, topic. That makes a lot of sense. So, yeah, man. Um, I am not surprised that yeah, man. Um, I am not surprised that yeah, man. Um, I am not surprised that it has stuck with you. It's also stuck it has stuck with you. It's also stuck it has stuck with you. It's also stuck with me. And I think it's for those with me. And I think it's for those with me. And I think it's for those reasons. There's he just touches on reasons. There's he just touches on reasons. There's he just touches on these really interesting human things these really interesting human things these really interesting human things that are I think hyper relevant right that are I think hyper relevant right that are I think hyper relevant right now to reorienting us to the messiness now to reorienting us to the messiness now to reorienting us to the messiness of trying to do great things. The things of trying to do great things. The things of trying to do great things. The things that are required if we want to ascend that are required if we want to ascend that are required if we want to ascend all of it. It's wild. It's great. It's all of it. It's wild. It's great. It's all of it. It's wild. It's great. It's great. Great. Great. great. Great. Great. great. Great. Great. >> Great. Great comments, Flo. Thank you >> Great. Great comments, Flo. Thank you >> Great. Great comments, Flo. Thank you for this. I needed that fractal. for this. I needed that fractal. for this. I needed that fractal. >> Yeah. And next up for the super chat, >> Yeah. And next up for the super chat, >> Yeah. And next up for the super chat, Brutus Lugo says, "This is a stolen Brutus Lugo says, "This is a stolen Brutus Lugo says, "This is a stolen question from a chatter. You're making a question from a chatter. You're making a question from a chatter. You're making a generic case about hypothetical generic case about hypothetical generic case about hypothetical regulations. What specific regulations regulations. What specific regulations regulations. What specific regulations are anthropic pushing that genuinely are anthropic pushing that genuinely are anthropic pushing that genuinely aren't about safety and are about aren't about safety and are about aren't about safety and are about cornering the market? cornering the market? cornering the market? >> Okay, so the specific regulations that I >> Okay, so the specific regulations that I >> Okay, so the specific regulations that I am not entirely sure what this will come am not entirely sure what this will come am not entirely sure what this will come of. I don't think anybody is yet. Um I of. I don't think anybody is yet. Um I of. I don't think anybody is yet. Um I don't know that they have um detailed don't know that they have um detailed don't know that they have um detailed out what they're saying in private to out what they're saying in private to out what they're saying in private to the regulators. If they are and I just the regulators. If they are and I just the regulators. If they are and I just have missed it, forgive me. Um, but the have missed it, forgive me. Um, but the have missed it, forgive me. Um, but the reason that I know that this isn't about reason that I know that this isn't about reason that I know that this isn't about safety is that the example that I gave safety is that the example that I gave safety is that the example that I gave about weapons before. So, open models about weapons before. So, open models about weapons before. So, open models already exist. They have already been already exist. They have already been already exist. They have already been distributed. So, those are already distributed. So, those are already distributed. So, those are already running on private servers and there's running on private servers and there's running on private servers and there's no way to take that back. Um, so that no way to take that back. Um, so that no way to take that back. Um, so that that ship has already sailed. So, think that ship has already sailed. So, think that ship has already sailed. So, think of it as a weapons dealer that has truly of it as a weapons dealer that has truly of it as a weapons dealer that has truly already given away a bunch of weapons. already given away a bunch of weapons. already given away a bunch of weapons. And it's a particular type of weapon And it's a particular type of weapon And it's a particular type of weapon where you have to have the exact counter where you have to have the exact counter where you have to have the exact counter weapon otherwise you can be taken weapon otherwise you can be taken weapon otherwise you can be taken advantage of. So we are as proven by the advantage of. So we are as proven by the advantage of. So we are as proven by the hugging face hack and them having to hugging face hack and them having to hugging face hack and them having to turn to an open model to protect turn to an open model to protect turn to an open model to protect themselves. We're in a position where um themselves. We're in a position where um themselves. We're in a position where um without the tool because remember they without the tool because remember they without the tool because remember they had access to the to the safe version. had access to the to the safe version. had access to the to the safe version. The safe version failed to protect them The safe version failed to protect them The safe version failed to protect them from the open source version. You can from the open source version. You can from the open source version. You can think of it that way because it it broke think of it that way because it it broke think of it that way because it it broke free. So it was in nobody's constraint. free. So it was in nobody's constraint. free. So it was in nobody's constraint. And so the only way that they were able And so the only way that they were able And so the only way that they were able to stop that is to go get something to stop that is to go get something to stop that is to go get something unguarded that was equally powerful so unguarded that was equally powerful so unguarded that was equally powerful so that they could stop it. So you need that they could stop it. So you need that they could stop it. So you need equally powerful weapons to stop equally powerful weapons to stop equally powerful weapons to stop yourself from the weapons that are yourself from the weapons that are yourself from the weapons that are already out there. So keep in mind the already out there. So keep in mind the already out there. So keep in mind the weapon that was used to stop it exists. weapon that was used to stop it exists. weapon that was used to stop it exists. It's open source and it um you can flip It's open source and it um you can flip It's open source and it um you can flip it. So if it can be used to stop a it. So if it can be used to stop a it. So if it can be used to stop a hacking uh attempt, it can be used to hacking uh attempt, it can be used to hacking uh attempt, it can be used to propagate the hacking attack. So, we're propagate the hacking attack. So, we're propagate the hacking attack. So, we're we're just in a world where you you have we're just in a world where you you have we're just in a world where you you have lock and key everywhere. The keys uh the lock and key everywhere. The keys uh the lock and key everywhere. The keys uh the locks, excuse me, have to get more locks, excuse me, have to get more locks, excuse me, have to get more sophisticated to stop the keys from sophisticated to stop the keys from sophisticated to stop the keys from opening them. Um so, yeah, we must opening them. Um so, yeah, we must opening them. Um so, yeah, we must accept that now arming yourself is the accept that now arming yourself is the accept that now arming yourself is the only true way to safety, but the only true way to safety, but the only true way to safety, but the specific regulations, I don't know what specific regulations, I don't know what specific regulations, I don't know what they're pushing for behind the scenes. they're pushing for behind the scenes. they're pushing for behind the scenes. Uh and what they'll end up getting will Uh and what they'll end up getting will Uh and what they'll end up getting will undoubtedly be different than what they undoubtedly be different than what they undoubtedly be different than what they push for. So, that will come out in the push for. So, that will come out in the push for. So, that will come out in the fullness of time. fullness of time. fullness of time. All right. Um, All right. Um, All right. Um, Congress be dirty making again. See, all Congress be dirty making again. See, all Congress be dirty making again. See, all the politics does it. So, there's going the politics does it. So, there's going the politics does it. So, there's going to be a lot of discourse coming up. to be a lot of discourse coming up. to be a lot of discourse coming up. Thomas Massie gave us the heads up at Thomas Massie gave us the heads up at Thomas Massie gave us the heads up at the very beginning of this. So, the the very beginning of this. So, the the very beginning of this. So, the headline is going to be Nick's order. headline is going to be Nick's order. headline is going to be Nick's order. The House has passed a bill to ban The House has passed a bill to ban The House has passed a bill to ban members of Congress and their spouses members of Congress and their spouses members of Congress and their spouses from trading individual stocks 232 to from trading individual stocks 232 to from trading individual stocks 232 to 190 uh 198. There's also a national 190 uh 198. There's also a national 190 uh 198. There's also a national voter ID requirement attached to the voter ID requirement attached to the voter ID requirement attached to the bill, but that first part is going to be bill, but that first part is going to be bill, but that first part is going to be on the front of every election ad on the front of every election ad on the front of every election ad headline in the next 6 months. For the headline in the next 6 months. For the headline in the next 6 months. For the next 6 months, it's going to be Nancy next 6 months, it's going to be Nancy next 6 months, it's going to be Nancy Pelosi voted no against insider stock Pelosi voted no against insider stock Pelosi voted no against insider stock trading cuz she's getting rich while you trading cuz she's getting rich while you trading cuz she's getting rich while you guys get poor. Vote for Republican guy guys get poor. Vote for Republican guy guys get poor. Vote for Republican guy who's high-fiving Trump. Like, that is who's high-fiving Trump. Like, that is who's high-fiving Trump. Like, that is the that is going to be the playbook. the that is going to be the playbook. the that is going to be the playbook. But a lot of the Democratic no votes But a lot of the Democratic no votes But a lot of the Democratic no votes came because the Save Act was attached came because the Save Act was attached came because the Save Act was attached to it. We already went through the save to it. We already went through the save to it. We already went through the save act and some of the um objections that act and some of the um objections that act and some of the um objections that the Democrats have for it, but it is a the Democrats have for it, but it is a the Democrats have for it, but it is a win. It still has to get through the win. It still has to get through the win. It still has to get through the Senate. We will see. Senate. We will see. Senate. We will see. >> Yeah, this one is is a absolutely >> Yeah, this one is is a absolutely >> Yeah, this one is is a absolutely massive big deal. Uh Pelosi is uh a massive big deal. Uh Pelosi is uh a massive big deal. Uh Pelosi is uh a great face for the way that politicians great face for the way that politicians great face for the way that politicians are getting rich on the fact that they are getting rich on the fact that they are getting rich on the fact that they have insider information. This should have insider information. This should have insider information. This should have been shut down a very long time have been shut down a very long time have been shut down a very long time ago. Put them in a similar position that ago. Put them in a similar position that ago. Put them in a similar position that the um kids are in. In fact, this is a the um kids are in. In fact, this is a the um kids are in. In fact, this is a great way to do it. Um, let them trade great way to do it. Um, let them trade great way to do it. Um, let them trade on whatever or let them invest on on whatever or let them invest on on whatever or let them invest on whatever that account is that is a part whatever that account is that is a part whatever that account is that is a part of the Trump account. And so, all of a of the Trump account. And so, all of a of the Trump account. And so, all of a sudden, you're going to see that, hey, sudden, you're going to see that, hey, sudden, you're going to see that, hey, to enrich themselves, they must enrich to enrich themselves, they must enrich to enrich themselves, they must enrich the youth of America. Cool. That the youth of America. Cool. That the youth of America. Cool. That position I love seeing them be in. Um, position I love seeing them be in. Um, position I love seeing them be in. Um, so doing something where they have to so doing something where they have to so doing something where they have to make the nation wealthy and they get a make the nation wealthy and they get a make the nation wealthy and they get a piece of that, that is brilliant. That's piece of that, that is brilliant. That's piece of that, that is brilliant. That's how you align selfish desires. Right how you align selfish desires. Right how you align selfish desires. Right now, we're in a totally different now, we're in a totally different now, we're in a totally different situation, which is it's the wild west. situation, which is it's the wild west. situation, which is it's the wild west. Everything has been financialized. And Everything has been financialized. And Everything has been financialized. And uh a little bit offormational asymmetry uh a little bit offormational asymmetry uh a little bit offormational asymmetry goes a long way. Which is why if you goes a long way. Which is why if you goes a long way. Which is why if you want to be a good trader, the best way want to be a good trader, the best way want to be a good trader, the best way to be a good trader is to quite to be a good trader is to quite to be a good trader is to quite literally uh become a politician, get on literally uh become a politician, get on literally uh become a politician, get on a meaningful committee where you're a meaningful committee where you're a meaningful committee where you're hearing um information or you're passing hearing um information or you're passing hearing um information or you're passing rules that you know is going to have a rules that you know is going to have a rules that you know is going to have a massive impact on share prices. It's massive impact on share prices. It's massive impact on share prices. It's just crazy. It's one of those things just crazy. It's one of those things just crazy. It's one of those things that's just nakedly out in the open um that's just nakedly out in the open um that's just nakedly out in the open um and being taken advantage of by both and being taken advantage of by both and being taken advantage of by both parties. So, yeah, this one's gross. I'm parties. So, yeah, this one's gross. I'm parties. So, yeah, this one's gross. I'm super excited to see it get passed. Um super excited to see it get passed. Um super excited to see it get passed. Um it is ridiculous that people would try it is ridiculous that people would try it is ridiculous that people would try to vote against that. That's absurd. But to vote against that. That's absurd. But to vote against that. That's absurd. But >> for the sports fans out there, it just >> for the sports fans out there, it just >> for the sports fans out there, it just been announced LeBron is going to Philly been announced LeBron is going to Philly been announced LeBron is going to Philly for the next two years. Two-year date. for the next two years. Two-year date. for the next two years. Two-year date. >> He's going to Philly. >> He's going to Philly. >> He's going to Philly. >> He's going to Philly. >> He's going to Philly. >> He's going to Philly. >> How many years has he been playing? >> How many years has he been playing? >> How many years has he been playing? >> 21. [laughter] >> 21. [laughter] >> 21. [laughter] Has anybody played longer than him? M. Has anybody played longer than him? M. Has anybody played longer than him? M. Yes. At this high level, no. Yes. At this high level, no. Yes. At this high level, no. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> okay. >> okay. >> okay. >> Yeah. There's a lot of player coaches >> Yeah. There's a lot of player coaches >> Yeah. There's a lot of player coaches who kind of transitioned into something who kind of transitioned into something who kind of transitioned into something else. So, else. So, else. So, >> that's wild to me that he's leaving >> that's wild to me that he's leaving >> that's wild to me that he's leaving again. I thought for sure he's going to again. I thought for sure he's going to again. I thought for sure he's going to retire in LA. retire in LA. retire in LA. >> As a Cavs fan, I'm not surprised he >> As a Cavs fan, I'm not surprised he >> As a Cavs fan, I'm not surprised he left. [laughter] left. [laughter] left. [laughter] >> Uh, okay. Sorry, that just blew my mind. >> Uh, okay. Sorry, that just blew my mind. >> Uh, okay. Sorry, that just blew my mind. U, I'm from South Jersey, so my entire U, I'm from South Jersey, so my entire U, I'm from South Jersey, so my entire family's Philly fans, and my brother family's Philly fans, and my brother family's Philly fans, and my brother just had a baby, and they just got just had a baby, and they just got just had a baby, and they just got Jaylen Brown. So, I told my brother Jaylen Brown. So, I told my brother Jaylen Brown. So, I told my brother jokingly like, "Yo, this is your year, jokingly like, "Yo, this is your year, jokingly like, "Yo, this is your year, bro." He's like, "Yeah, LeBron's on the bro." He's like, "Yeah, LeBron's on the bro." He's like, "Yeah, LeBron's on the way." and LeBron is on the way. I got to way." and LeBron is on the way. I got to way." and LeBron is on the way. I got to call him right after the show. call him right after the show. call him right after the show. >> Um, okay. What were we talking about? >> Um, okay. What were we talking about? >> Um, okay. What were we talking about? Uh, stock trading. Um, Uh, stock trading. Um, Uh, stock trading. Um, >> plot twist. Uh, we got to talk about the >> plot twist. Uh, we got to talk about the >> plot twist. Uh, we got to talk about the NDAA thing, the integration with Israel NDAA thing, the integration with Israel NDAA thing, the integration with Israel and the US military. I'm going to call and the US military. I'm going to call and the US military. I'm going to call it a cooperation. it a cooperation. it a cooperation. >> I still haven't looked into this. >> I still haven't looked into this. >> I still haven't looked into this. They'll take you. They'll take you. They'll take you. >> Do you have a fact that you want me to >> Do you have a fact that you want me to >> Do you have a fact that you want me to respond to because here's the way that I respond to because here's the way that I respond to because here's the way that I see it. Mh. see it. Mh. see it. Mh. >> Um, almost certainly >> Um, almost certainly >> Um, almost certainly >> the greatest intel agency in the world >> the greatest intel agency in the world >> the greatest intel agency in the world is the MSAD. is the MSAD. is the MSAD. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So now I've got Okay. I've got an intel >> So now I've got Okay. I've got an intel >> So now I've got Okay. I've got an intel agency. I'm at war with somebody that um agency. I'm at war with somebody that um agency. I'm at war with somebody that um obviously the MSAD is going to have the obviously the MSAD is going to have the obviously the MSAD is going to have the drop on. Um I believe that the following drop on. Um I believe that the following drop on. Um I believe that the following statement is true. That at one point was statement is true. That at one point was statement is true. That at one point was it the president of Iran or something it the president of Iran or something it the president of Iran or something was a MSAD agent? I mean I'm talking was a MSAD agent? I mean I'm talking was a MSAD agent? I mean I'm talking at like the highest highest possible at like the highest highest possible at like the highest highest possible level that you could get somebody into level that you could get somebody into level that you could get somebody into the IRGC, they did. the IRGC, they did. the IRGC, they did. >> And so you've got that plus the fact >> And so you've got that plus the fact >> And so you've got that plus the fact that given that they don't have access that given that they don't have access that given that they don't have access to oil, Israel's had to rely on to oil, Israel's had to rely on to oil, Israel's had to rely on technology. And so they've become one of technology. And so they've become one of technology. And so they've become one of the most sophisticated technology um the most sophisticated technology um the most sophisticated technology um ecosystems on planet Earth. And so if ecosystems on planet Earth. And so if ecosystems on planet Earth. And so if you're the US and you're you're waging you're the US and you're you're waging you're the US and you're you're waging war as allies against somebody, you have war as allies against somebody, you have war as allies against somebody, you have extreme need of their intelligence to extreme need of their intelligence to extreme need of their intelligence to prosecute that war. And you have um prosecute that war. And you have um prosecute that war. And you have um a strong desire to learn from their a strong desire to learn from their a strong desire to learn from their technology, to leverage their technology, to leverage their technology, to leverage their technology, to have access to it, technology, to have access to it, technology, to have access to it, whatever. Um and my base assumption is whatever. Um and my base assumption is whatever. Um and my base assumption is that this is not an integration that it that this is not an integration that it that this is not an integration that it is um saying okay we're going to have a is um saying okay we're going to have a is um saying okay we're going to have a very high degree of cooperation across very high degree of cooperation across very high degree of cooperation across you know these whatevers and our out is you know these whatevers and our out is you know these whatevers and our out is very simple. Should we ever decide that very simple. Should we ever decide that very simple. Should we ever decide that we want to cut you out we're going to we want to cut you out we're going to we want to cut you out we're going to cut you out. And so um from that cut you out. And so um from that cut you out. And so um from that standpoint we will keep things secret standpoint we will keep things secret standpoint we will keep things secret from them that we don't want them to from them that we don't want them to from them that we don't want them to know. It's not like you're now in every know. It's not like you're now in every know. It's not like you're now in every meeting. Uh it's not like okay we have a meeting. Uh it's not like okay we have a meeting. Uh it's not like okay we have a joint bank account. It's not going to be joint bank account. It's not going to be joint bank account. It's not going to be like that. These are my assumptions. like that. These are my assumptions. like that. These are my assumptions. Now, if somebody shows me, no, no, no, Now, if somebody shows me, no, no, no, Now, if somebody shows me, no, no, no, for real. Like, this is just shared bank for real. Like, this is just shared bank for real. Like, this is just shared bank account. They can spend their money account. They can spend their money account. They can spend their money without having to talk to us. Um, and without having to talk to us. Um, and without having to talk to us. Um, and they're in every meeting. They now have they're in every meeting. They now have they're in every meeting. They now have uh top security clearance, the highest uh top security clearance, the highest uh top security clearance, the highest level security clearance. They can know level security clearance. They can know level security clearance. They can know everything. Um, they've got somebody everything. Um, they've got somebody everything. Um, they've got somebody permanently stationed in the Oval permanently stationed in the Oval permanently stationed in the Oval Office. Like, if that's what we're Office. Like, if that's what we're Office. Like, if that's what we're talking about, okay, that'd be [ __ ] talking about, okay, that'd be [ __ ] talking about, okay, that'd be [ __ ] crazy. But I just have a default crazy. But I just have a default crazy. But I just have a default assumption that this is going to end up assumption that this is going to end up assumption that this is going to end up being a like yeah we being a like yeah we being a like yeah we yeah like we would do with the UK or yeah like we would do with the UK or yeah like we would do with the UK or whatever where it's like yeah we've got whatever where it's like yeah we've got whatever where it's like yeah we've got uh bases with them we've got shared uh bases with them we've got shared uh bases with them we've got shared offices there's intelligence that we offices there's intelligence that we offices there's intelligence that we share back and forth. So I would need to share back and forth. So I would need to share back and forth. So I would need to understand what is the specific thing understand what is the specific thing understand what is the specific thing that's happening that's happening that's happening >> that people don't like >> that people don't like >> that people don't like and is it unique to Israel or is this and is it unique to Israel or is this and is it unique to Israel or is this something that we have with other something that we have with other something that we have with other countries as well? countries as well? countries as well? >> Um it is unique to Israel. I think that >> Um it is unique to Israel. I think that >> Um it is unique to Israel. I think that the the the >> level of unique is the sharing of the AI >> level of unique is the sharing of the AI >> level of unique is the sharing of the AI technological resources and things like technological resources and things like technological resources and things like that. So the Iron Dome thing, Iron Dome that. So the Iron Dome thing, Iron Dome that. So the Iron Dome thing, Iron Dome thing, Iron Dome thing is different. thing, Iron Dome thing is different. thing, Iron Dome thing is different. Whereas with Iron Dome joint project, Whereas with Iron Dome joint project, Whereas with Iron Dome joint project, it's over Israel, it's over us. We kind it's over Israel, it's over us. We kind it's over Israel, it's over us. We kind of got something out of that deal where of got something out of that deal where of got something out of that deal where this one I think the thing that gives me this one I think the thing that gives me this one I think the thing that gives me the ick is the AI integration of it. And the ick is the AI integration of it. And the ick is the AI integration of it. And is it like do they now can they back in is it like do they now can they back in is it like do they now can they back in access to us because they are the access to us because they are the access to us because they are the greatest spy agency. So while yes, I greatest spy agency. So while yes, I greatest spy agency. So while yes, I would like to say what does your agent would like to say what does your agent would like to say what does your agent know, what does my agent know, and we know, what does my agent know, and we know, what does my agent know, and we talk over a coffee in Geneva, that's talk over a coffee in Geneva, that's talk over a coffee in Geneva, that's different than saying your systems has different than saying your systems has different than saying your systems has access to this thing, but it can't access to this thing, but it can't access to this thing, but it can't access this other thing. And we all know access this other thing. And we all know access this other thing. And we all know that's just a permissions problem. So that's just a permissions problem. So that's just a permissions problem. So without the details then I'll comment without the details then I'll comment without the details then I'll comment [clears throat] at a philosophical [clears throat] at a philosophical [clears throat] at a philosophical level. So from first principles if they level. So from first principles if they level. So from first principles if they can if we have done something that gives can if we have done something that gives can if we have done something that gives them access to things that I don't want them access to things that I don't want them access to things that I don't want them to have access to that's bad. them to have access to that's bad. them to have access to that's bad. >> Um the mere fact that we are um working >> Um the mere fact that we are um working >> Um the mere fact that we are um working more closely with an ally who is helping more closely with an ally who is helping more closely with an ally who is helping us prosecute the war feels so obvious us prosecute the war feels so obvious us prosecute the war feels so obvious that you would want to do. So if you that you would want to do. So if you that you would want to do. So if you look at like World War II history, there look at like World War II history, there look at like World War II history, there was like deep integration between the was like deep integration between the was like deep integration between the allies. So I am just reading this as allies. So I am just reading this as allies. So I am just reading this as being something along those lines, but being something along those lines, but being something along those lines, but probably not anywhere near what it was probably not anywhere near what it was probably not anywhere near what it was during World War II. Uh even though we during World War II. Uh even though we during World War II. Uh even though we are at war with Iran together. So on are at war with Iran together. So on are at war with Iran together. So on that side, it's like if we want to win, that side, it's like if we want to win, that side, it's like if we want to win, like we need to make sure that there's like we need to make sure that there's like we need to make sure that there's very low friction so that we can pass very low friction so that we can pass very low friction so that we can pass information back and forth very quickly, information back and forth very quickly, information back and forth very quickly, but it needs to be siloed information so but it needs to be siloed information so but it needs to be siloed information so that there are things that are for that there are things that are for that there are things that are for American eyes only. And I'm sure Israel American eyes only. And I'm sure Israel American eyes only. And I'm sure Israel has things that are for Israel's eyes has things that are for Israel's eyes has things that are for Israel's eyes only. Uh and you map that out well. you only. Uh and you map that out well. you only. Uh and you map that out well. you make sure that you have an easy way to make sure that you have an easy way to make sure that you have an easy way to decouple and I'm perfectly fine with it. decouple and I'm perfectly fine with it. decouple and I'm perfectly fine with it. So I obviously my base assumption is So I obviously my base assumption is So I obviously my base assumption is that Trump is not a puppet of Netanyahu that Trump is not a puppet of Netanyahu that Trump is not a puppet of Netanyahu that this is not uh something where um that this is not uh something where um that this is not uh something where um Israel has files on Trump that he Israel has files on Trump that he Israel has files on Trump that he doesn't want getting out and so they're doesn't want getting out and so they're doesn't want getting out and so they're like we are going to get access to your like we are going to get access to your like we are going to get access to your secret databases. So if somebody reads secret databases. So if somebody reads secret databases. So if somebody reads this as they have something on Trump, this as they have something on Trump, this as they have something on Trump, they're getting access to secret they're getting access to secret they're getting access to secret databases that we would never allow databases that we would never allow databases that we would never allow somebody to have. Yeah, I'd be opposed somebody to have. Yeah, I'd be opposed somebody to have. Yeah, I'd be opposed to that too if that's true. M to that too if that's true. M to that too if that's true. M >> um I just don't have that base >> um I just don't have that base >> um I just don't have that base assumption. So my base assumption is assumption. So my base assumption is assumption. So my base assumption is that we're probably nowhere near the that we're probably nowhere near the that we're probably nowhere near the level of integration that we had with level of integration that we had with level of integration that we had with allies during World War II, but it's allies during World War II, but it's allies during World War II, but it's probably on that continuum. Yeah. probably on that continuum. Yeah. probably on that continuum. Yeah. Because we're at war with a shared Because we're at war with a shared Because we're at war with a shared enemy. So enemy. So enemy. So I I I don't have any specifics that trip I I I don't have any specifics that trip I I I don't have any specifics that trip red flags. red flags. red flags. >> Got you. That makes sense. Um your logic >> Got you. That makes sense. Um your logic >> Got you. That makes sense. Um your logic in that argument. Uh okay. I think we in that argument. Uh okay. I think we in that argument. Uh okay. I think we got I think we got it. Until more got I think we got it. Until more got I think we got it. Until more information comes out with the deal, information comes out with the deal, information comes out with the deal, we'll see how it uh integrates. Again, we'll see how it uh integrates. Again, we'll see how it uh integrates. Again, this both has to pass the House as well this both has to pass the House as well this both has to pass the House as well or the Senate. So, it's done on paper. or the Senate. So, it's done on paper. or the Senate. So, it's done on paper. It's not finalized or tied into law or It's not finalized or tied into law or It's not finalized or tied into law or on its way to Trump's desk. Uh, I want on its way to Trump's desk. Uh, I want on its way to Trump's desk. Uh, I want to jump over to Japan cuz the Pokemon to jump over to Japan cuz the Pokemon to jump over to Japan cuz the Pokemon thing is hilarious to me cuz to me, I thing is hilarious to me cuz to me, I thing is hilarious to me cuz to me, I think that this is just a the next think that this is just a the next think that this is just a the next bubble. I remember when trading cards bubble. I remember when trading cards bubble. I remember when trading cards used to be worth a lot of money and now used to be worth a lot of money and now used to be worth a lot of money and now there's like six trading cards that are there's like six trading cards that are there's like six trading cards that are worth a lot of money. I think Pokemon is worth a lot of money. I think Pokemon is worth a lot of money. I think Pokemon is slowly getting toward that uh spectrum. slowly getting toward that uh spectrum. slowly getting toward that uh spectrum. >> Oh, it's Wait, Pokemon is the only card >> Oh, it's Wait, Pokemon is the only card >> Oh, it's Wait, Pokemon is the only card that matters. So, um, to give people a that matters. So, um, to give people a that matters. So, um, to give people a background that don't understand what background that don't understand what background that don't understand what exactly is happening with Pokemon. So, exactly is happening with Pokemon. So, exactly is happening with Pokemon. So, Japan is considering putting regulations Japan is considering putting regulations Japan is considering putting regulations on the way the Pokemon cards are handled on the way the Pokemon cards are handled on the way the Pokemon cards are handled because what they're being honest about because what they're being honest about because what they're being honest about is that Pokemon cards are an asset is that Pokemon cards are an asset is that Pokemon cards are an asset class. In fact, as an asset class, they class. In fact, as an asset class, they class. In fact, as an asset class, they are one of, if not the best performing are one of, if not the best performing are one of, if not the best performing asset classes uh, of the last whatever asset classes uh, of the last whatever asset classes uh, of the last whatever five or six years. I mean, it's just five or six years. I mean, it's just five or six years. I mean, it's just absolutely staggering how much financial absolutely staggering how much financial absolutely staggering how much financial growth has been in the Pokemon market. growth has been in the Pokemon market. growth has been in the Pokemon market. So, imagine kind of like in the crypto So, imagine kind of like in the crypto So, imagine kind of like in the crypto boom, there were people that went to the boom, there were people that went to the boom, there were people that went to the store, bought a pack of cards, ended up store, bought a pack of cards, ended up store, bought a pack of cards, ended up pulling something that's now worth pulling something that's now worth pulling something that's now worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. So, hundreds of thousands of dollars. So, hundreds of thousands of dollars. So, imagine spending whatever $6 and getting imagine spending whatever $6 and getting imagine spending whatever $6 and getting something worth $600,000. something worth $600,000. something worth $600,000. So, that's the way that these cards work So, that's the way that these cards work So, that's the way that these cards work is some of them are extraordinarily is some of them are extraordinarily is some of them are extraordinarily valuable and the way that they go out valuable and the way that they go out valuable and the way that they go out into the market is it's just in a box at into the market is it's just in a box at into the market is it's just in a box at your local um card store. So, they're your local um card store. So, they're your local um card store. So, they're there is a reality to be faced that there is a reality to be faced that there is a reality to be faced that these are trading like they're an asset these are trading like they're an asset these are trading like they're an asset class. They're trading like they're a class. They're trading like they're a class. They're trading like they're a collectible. Um meaning a collectible in collectible. Um meaning a collectible in collectible. Um meaning a collectible in the way that like NFTTS ended up being a the way that like NFTTS ended up being a the way that like NFTTS ended up being a collectible. This was the thing about collectible. This was the thing about collectible. This was the thing about NFTTS that completely caught me off NFTTS that completely caught me off NFTTS that completely caught me off guard is it was people treating them guard is it was people treating them guard is it was people treating them like financial instruments, not like financial instruments, not like financial instruments, not collectibles. So when you start really collectibles. So when you start really collectibles. So when you start really looking at like art, you look at um looking at like art, you look at um looking at like art, you look at um baseball cards, football cards, baseball cards, football cards, baseball cards, football cards, basketball cards, Pokemon cards, the one basketball cards, Pokemon cards, the one basketball cards, Pokemon cards, the one that I collect, which I do not collect that I collect, which I do not collect that I collect, which I do not collect for financial reasons, but I collect the for financial reasons, but I collect the for financial reasons, but I collect the One Piece trading card game. So it it is One Piece trading card game. So it it is One Piece trading card game. So it it is a an utterly fascinating gray area where a an utterly fascinating gray area where a an utterly fascinating gray area where technically the cards are being made for technically the cards are being made for technically the cards are being made for a game that you can actually play and a game that you can actually play and a game that you can actually play and the game drives some of the value in the game drives some of the value in the game drives some of the value in that if the um card is valuable in the that if the um card is valuable in the that if the um card is valuable in the meta, meaning to win in the game you meta, meaning to win in the game you meta, meaning to win in the game you need this card, then that card is more need this card, then that card is more need this card, then that card is more likely to go up in value. Um, and from likely to go up in value. Um, and from likely to go up in value. Um, and from the game perspective, they try to keep the game perspective, they try to keep the game perspective, they try to keep any sort of hot deck shouldn't be more any sort of hot deck shouldn't be more any sort of hot deck shouldn't be more than say a hundred or $200 for you to than say a hundred or $200 for you to than say a hundred or $200 for you to put it together. And so it does come at put it together. And so it does come at put it together. And so it does come at a cost, but then there's a much bigger a cost, but then there's a much bigger a cost, but then there's a much bigger uh pull for the cards, which is people uh pull for the cards, which is people uh pull for the cards, which is people going, I think this is going to go up in going, I think this is going to go up in going, I think this is going to go up in value. And so the question becomes, how value. And so the question becomes, how value. And so the question becomes, how much should we be regulating? Like there much should we be regulating? Like there much should we be regulating? Like there are people that collect old video games are people that collect old video games are people that collect old video games and they collect them because they have and they collect them because they have and they collect them because they have nostalgia for them and they expect them nostalgia for them and they expect them nostalgia for them and they expect them to go up in value. And so should we be to go up in value. And so should we be to go up in value. And so should we be regulating things like that where it's regulating things like that where it's regulating things like that where it's like there is some percentage of the like there is some percentage of the like there is some percentage of the people buying it are buying it because people buying it are buying it because people buying it are buying it because they want to see it go up in value. Um they want to see it go up in value. Um they want to see it go up in value. Um and Pokemon has just hit such a crazy and Pokemon has just hit such a crazy and Pokemon has just hit such a crazy level that it's pretty hard to deny that level that it's pretty hard to deny that level that it's pretty hard to deny that this thing has become an asset class and this thing has become an asset class and this thing has become an asset class and now what should we be doing? Now you now what should we be doing? Now you now what should we be doing? Now you guys know me, I'm light touch. I don't guys know me, I'm light touch. I don't guys know me, I'm light touch. I don't want to see a ton of regulation fall on want to see a ton of regulation fall on want to see a ton of regulation fall on the trading card market. But at the same the trading card market. But at the same the trading card market. But at the same time, I do recognize that it is an asset time, I do recognize that it is an asset time, I do recognize that it is an asset class. And so there are probably certain class. And so there are probably certain class. And so there are probably certain regulations that you want to put around regulations that you want to put around regulations that you want to put around it to make sure that the way the it to make sure that the way the it to make sure that the way the distribution of the cards has to fall distribution of the cards has to fall distribution of the cards has to fall within certain rules that the um company within certain rules that the um company within certain rules that the um company can't manipulate the supply to try to um can't manipulate the supply to try to um can't manipulate the supply to try to um control prices. That it should just be control prices. That it should just be control prices. That it should just be here are here are the published here are here are the published here are here are the published realities of what we put out and you realities of what we put out and you realities of what we put out and you guys all know. And so that would get rid guys all know. And so that would get rid guys all know. And so that would get rid of a lot of the mystery in the market of a lot of the mystery in the market of a lot of the mystery in the market because a lot of what happens now is because a lot of what happens now is because a lot of what happens now is like is this card ever going to be like is this card ever going to be like is this card ever going to be reprinted? And so that can control reprinted? And so that can control reprinted? And so that can control value. Um there was I think oh god now value. Um there was I think oh god now value. Um there was I think oh god now please you're going to have to take this please you're going to have to take this please you're going to have to take this with a grain of salt. This is with a grain of salt. This is with a grain of salt. This is directionally correct but I don't directionally correct but I don't directionally correct but I don't remember the specifics but it's like I remember the specifics but it's like I remember the specifics but it's like I think Hasbro think Hasbro think Hasbro uh has been sued because do they do uh has been sued because do they do uh has been sued because do they do Wizards of the Coast? I think so. I Wizards of the Coast? I think so. I Wizards of the Coast? I think so. I think they do have the coast. Thank you. think they do have the coast. Thank you. think they do have the coast. Thank you. So, Magic the Gathering, there was like So, Magic the Gathering, there was like So, Magic the Gathering, there was like all this big rumor that they were they all this big rumor that they were they all this big rumor that they were they had a ton of inventory, but they were had a ton of inventory, but they were had a ton of inventory, but they were sitting on it because they were trying sitting on it because they were trying sitting on it because they were trying to um watch the secondary mark market um to um watch the secondary mark market um to um watch the secondary mark market um value of the cards and like control value of the cards and like control value of the cards and like control their supply based on how things were their supply based on how things were their supply based on how things were out in the market. And so, it's blatant out in the market. And so, it's blatant out in the market. And so, it's blatant market manipulation. So, it's like like market manipulation. So, it's like like market manipulation. So, it's like like you could just pretty easily get rid of you could just pretty easily get rid of you could just pretty easily get rid of all that by saying this is a published all that by saying this is a published all that by saying this is a published document of the rates that we print our document of the rates that we print our document of the rates that we print our cards. this is exactly how many of how cards. this is exactly how many of how cards. this is exactly how many of how many of them were going to print and you many of them were going to print and you many of them were going to print and you just publish it. Now, I'm sure a lot of just publish it. Now, I'm sure a lot of just publish it. Now, I'm sure a lot of collectors would hate that idea because collectors would hate that idea because collectors would hate that idea because it there are there will be less pumping it there are there will be less pumping it there are there will be less pumping in the market and it will just sort of in the market and it will just sort of in the market and it will just sort of be a priceless list and people be like, be a priceless list and people be like, be a priceless list and people be like, well, this is how many exist and so this well, this is how many exist and so this well, this is how many exist and so this is what they're worth. And then if is what they're worth. And then if is what they're worth. And then if somebody starts hoarding them, that somebody starts hoarding them, that somebody starts hoarding them, that might make the price go up or if people might make the price go up or if people might make the price go up or if people are dumping them, it'll make the price are dumping them, it'll make the price are dumping them, it'll make the price go down. But it would probably control go down. But it would probably control go down. But it would probably control some of the um speculation. some of the um speculation. some of the um speculation. Now, I would love to see this is not now Now, I would love to see this is not now Now, I would love to see this is not now me talking as somebody interfacing with me talking as somebody interfacing with me talking as somebody interfacing with the economy. This is just me saying if the economy. This is just me saying if the economy. This is just me saying if you want these things to be valuable in you want these things to be valuable in you want these things to be valuable in the future, you know what the number one the future, you know what the number one the future, you know what the number one most important thing you could do? Make most important thing you could do? Make most important thing you could do? Make sure kids can get them. Like that's sure kids can get them. Like that's sure kids can get them. Like that's really what you want to focus on because really what you want to focus on because really what you want to focus on because if the next generation can't get a hold if the next generation can't get a hold if the next generation can't get a hold of the [ __ ] cards because they're so of the [ __ ] cards because they're so of the [ __ ] cards because they're so expensive, then there won't be a next expensive, then there won't be a next expensive, then there won't be a next generation of kids that love these cards generation of kids that love these cards generation of kids that love these cards and so this stuff won't be valuable into and so this stuff won't be valuable into and so this stuff won't be valuable into the future. And so, the future. And so, the future. And so, >> are we talking about cards or are we >> are we talking about cards or are we >> are we talking about cards or are we talking about something else? talking about something else? talking about something else? >> Legos. >> Legos. >> Legos. >> Well, we canos insert virtually anything >> Well, we canos insert virtually anything >> Well, we canos insert virtually anything into there that requires an emotional into there that requires an emotional into there that requires an emotional connection. But the thing that I find connection. But the thing that I find connection. But the thing that I find really distressing is so often there's a really distressing is so often there's a really distressing is so often there's a corollary in history and people will corollary in history and people will corollary in history and people will ignore it. So, let's look at the ignore it. So, let's look at the ignore it. So, let's look at the correlary to this. Uh, manga outsells correlary to this. Uh, manga outsells correlary to this. Uh, manga outsells the western comic market so grotesqually the western comic market so grotesqually the western comic market so grotesqually as to be hilarious. So, I don't know if as to be hilarious. So, I don't know if as to be hilarious. So, I don't know if it holds true this year, but it was it holds true this year, but it was it holds true this year, but it was either last year or the year before. either last year or the year before. either last year or the year before. Demon Slayer, one title, one title in Demon Slayer, one title, one title in Demon Slayer, one title, one title in Japanese manga, outsold the entire Japanese manga, outsold the entire Japanese manga, outsold the entire Western comic market combined. So, I'm Western comic market combined. So, I'm Western comic market combined. So, I'm talking Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, talking Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, talking Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, Teenage Mutant Ninja Spider-Man, Teenage Mutant Ninja Spider-Man, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the X-Men, literally every Turtles, the X-Men, literally every Turtles, the X-Men, literally every single title grouped single title grouped single title grouped got outsold by one title, Demon Slayer. got outsold by one title, Demon Slayer. got outsold by one title, Demon Slayer. >> It was in 2020 with 82.3 million copies >> It was in 2020 with 82.3 million copies >> It was in 2020 with 82.3 million copies globally in a single year. Thank you. globally in a single year. Thank you. globally in a single year. Thank you. God, I love you as a fact checker. Okay, God, I love you as a fact checker. Okay, God, I love you as a fact checker. Okay, so you get that setup. Absolutely so you get that setup. Absolutely so you get that setup. Absolutely insane. Now, you should ask a question. insane. Now, you should ask a question. insane. Now, you should ask a question. How did that end up happening? Back in How did that end up happening? Back in How did that end up happening? Back in the I think it was the 80s, maybe early the I think it was the 80s, maybe early the I think it was the 80s, maybe early 90s, they had a conversation. Um, what 90s, they had a conversation. Um, what 90s, they had a conversation. Um, what the I'll speedrun this. In America, uh, the I'll speedrun this. In America, uh, the I'll speedrun this. In America, uh, in the early 90s, so it must have been in the early 90s, so it must have been in the early 90s, so it must have been the '90s. In the early 90s, you have the '90s. In the early 90s, you have the '90s. In the early 90s, you have Image Comics gets formed. So, the Image Comics gets formed. So, the Image Comics gets formed. So, the greatest artists in all of the all of greatest artists in all of the all of greatest artists in all of the all of Marvel and DC, they leave. They form Marvel and DC, they leave. They form Marvel and DC, they leave. They form their own company because they feel their own company because they feel their own company because they feel they're being taken advantage of. That they're being taken advantage of. That they're being taken advantage of. That creates this massive speculator bubble creates this massive speculator bubble creates this massive speculator bubble and everybody buys millions of their and everybody buys millions of their and everybody buys millions of their first runs because they think that first runs because they think that first runs because they think that they're all going to be worth a they're all going to be worth a they're all going to be worth a gazillion dollars. And then Image Comics gazillion dollars. And then Image Comics gazillion dollars. And then Image Comics ends up going sort through this rocky ends up going sort through this rocky ends up going sort through this rocky period and they're missing deadlines and period and they're missing deadlines and period and they're missing deadlines and stuff and the whole thing craters and stuff and the whole thing craters and stuff and the whole thing craters and everybody realizes, oh, because we were everybody realizes, oh, because we were everybody realizes, oh, because we were buying millions of copies, they're not buying millions of copies, they're not buying millions of copies, they're not scarce. They don't have any value. It's scarce. They don't have any value. It's scarce. They don't have any value. It's like overprinting cards to make it back like overprinting cards to make it back like overprinting cards to make it back to Pokémon. So now when that crumbles, a to Pokémon. So now when that crumbles, a to Pokémon. So now when that crumbles, a ton of businesses fold and so all these ton of businesses fold and so all these ton of businesses fold and so all these um comic book shops, local comic book um comic book shops, local comic book um comic book shops, local comic book shops, they go out of business. All the shops, they go out of business. All the shops, they go out of business. All the distributors end up folding and you end distributors end up folding and you end distributors end up folding and you end up with a single distributor, which is up with a single distributor, which is up with a single distributor, which is always a terrible idea. So now the comic always a terrible idea. So now the comic always a terrible idea. So now the comic book shops that do survive, they start book shops that do survive, they start book shops that do survive, they start panicking and they say, "Um, dear panicking and they say, "Um, dear panicking and they say, "Um, dear publishers, stop giving us stuff that publishers, stop giving us stuff that publishers, stop giving us stuff that appeals to kids. We want stuff that's appeals to kids. We want stuff that's appeals to kids. We want stuff that's for the audience that we already have." for the audience that we already have." for the audience that we already have." And so the Western comic market starts And so the Western comic market starts And so the Western comic market starts aging up. And so everybody just if you aging up. And so everybody just if you aging up. And so everybody just if you were um 11 when you started collecting, were um 11 when you started collecting, were um 11 when you started collecting, but now you're 18, we're writing for but now you're 18, we're writing for but now you're 18, we're writing for 18-year-olds. And so now there's nothing 18-year-olds. And so now there's nothing 18-year-olds. And so now there's nothing that gets kids into the marketplace. that gets kids into the marketplace. that gets kids into the marketplace. Okay. Now, what I want you guys to hear Okay. Now, what I want you guys to hear Okay. Now, what I want you guys to hear is that creates a ticking time bomb is that creates a ticking time bomb is that creates a ticking time bomb because what happens is now your age because what happens is now your age because what happens is now your age group is just getting older and older group is just getting older and older group is just getting older and older and older and eventually they stop and older and eventually they stop and older and eventually they stop paying attention to the hobby. They paying attention to the hobby. They paying attention to the hobby. They start dying off which puts more economic start dying off which puts more economic start dying off which puts more economic pressure on the stores that exist and so pressure on the stores that exist and so pressure on the stores that exist and so they scream even louder, don't make they scream even louder, don't make they scream even louder, don't make things for kids, just give me stuff for things for kids, just give me stuff for things for kids, just give me stuff for my new audience. Japan actually holds a my new audience. Japan actually holds a my new audience. Japan actually holds a meeting. It's a company called Shonen meeting. It's a company called Shonen meeting. It's a company called Shonen Jump. Technically Shuisha, but anyway, Jump. Technically Shuisha, but anyway, Jump. Technically Shuisha, but anyway, people know Shonen Jump. So Shonen Jump, people know Shonen Jump. So Shonen Jump, people know Shonen Jump. So Shonen Jump, they get together and they say, "Hey, do they get together and they say, "Hey, do they get together and they say, "Hey, do we age up with our readers or do we say, we age up with our readers or do we say, we age up with our readers or do we say, "Yep, you're going to age out. That's "Yep, you're going to age out. That's "Yep, you're going to age out. That's perfectly fine." And Shonen Jump is perfectly fine." And Shonen Jump is perfectly fine." And Shonen Jump is always and forever going to be for 11 to always and forever going to be for 11 to always and forever going to be for 11 to 15 year olds. And they expressly say, 15 year olds. And they expressly say, 15 year olds. And they expressly say, "We're going to remain just for boys and "We're going to remain just for boys and "We're going to remain just for boys and for that age group." And because of for that age group." And because of for that age group." And because of that, they continue to be a global that, they continue to be a global that, they continue to be a global phenomenon because every year they've phenomenon because every year they've phenomenon because every year they've got a new kid that ages in and a new kid got a new kid that ages in and a new kid got a new kid that ages in and a new kid that as they grow up still has a massive that as they grow up still has a massive that as they grow up still has a massive affinity for those old properties. And affinity for those old properties. And affinity for those old properties. And so that's why the Japanese market ends so that's why the Japanese market ends so that's why the Japanese market ends up just absolutely destroying. Plus, up just absolutely destroying. Plus, up just absolutely destroying. Plus, they did not get the DEI memo largely they did not get the DEI memo largely they did not get the DEI memo largely because they're speaking to kids and because they're speaking to kids and because they're speaking to kids and that's never going to go over with kids. that's never going to go over with kids. that's never going to go over with kids. You have to be archetypal. And so with You have to be archetypal. And so with You have to be archetypal. And so with all of that, they keep getting new kids all of that, they keep getting new kids all of that, they keep getting new kids excited. So their market just keeps excited. So their market just keeps excited. So their market just keeps growing and growing and growing and growing and growing and growing and growing and growing and growing and growing and growing. And then kids in growing and growing. And then kids in growing and growing. And then kids in America realize, oh, there is something America realize, oh, there is something America realize, oh, there is something for me. It's just not in the western for me. It's just not in the western for me. It's just not in the western market. It's in all these cool um things market. It's in all these cool um things market. It's in all these cool um things that are being put out of Japan. So that are being put out of Japan. So that are being put out of Japan. So whether that's One Piece, Jiujutsu whether that's One Piece, Jiujutsu whether that's One Piece, Jiujutsu Kaizen, um some of the just like Kaizen, um some of the just like Kaizen, um some of the just like perennial sellers like um My Hero perennial sellers like um My Hero perennial sellers like um My Hero Academia, like I mean just like absolute Academia, like I mean just like absolute Academia, like I mean just like absolute monsters um Demon Slayer being the top monsters um Demon Slayer being the top monsters um Demon Slayer being the top of that heap. So now globally people are of that heap. So now globally people are of that heap. So now globally people are like, "Well, if America's not going to like, "Well, if America's not going to like, "Well, if America's not going to export their culture for kids, we'll go export their culture for kids, we'll go export their culture for kids, we'll go to Japan," which is exporting culture to Japan," which is exporting culture to Japan," which is exporting culture for kids. So you got to get the kids. for kids. So you got to get the kids. for kids. So you got to get the kids. And watching people like [ __ ] nose And watching people like [ __ ] nose And watching people like [ __ ] nose tackle each other in a Walmart because tackle each other in a Walmart because tackle each other in a Walmart because they're a scalper and they want to go they're a scalper and they want to go they're a scalper and they want to go make a ton of money off this makes me make a ton of money off this makes me make a ton of money off this makes me want to headbutt somebody. So I would want to headbutt somebody. So I would want to headbutt somebody. So I would much rather see these guys print a ton much rather see these guys print a ton much rather see these guys print a ton of cards to nice. They're very loud. And of cards to nice. They're very loud. And of cards to nice. They're very loud. And if that was as loud for the viewing if that was as loud for the viewing if that was as loud for the viewing public as it was for me, I'm sure that public as it was for me, I'm sure that public as it was for me, I'm sure that was not fun. But um when you get the was not fun. But um when you get the was not fun. But um when you get the kids that love it and it's like it means kids that love it and it's like it means kids that love it and it's like it means what it means. So if you are publishing what it means. So if you are publishing what it means. So if you are publishing even if it's like a a secondary um even if it's like a a secondary um even if it's like a a secondary um format of the cards to make sure that format of the cards to make sure that format of the cards to make sure that kids can always get into this and then kids can always get into this and then kids can always get into this and then you say if they all preserve their cards you say if they all preserve their cards you say if they all preserve their cards these are going to be worthless. But if these are going to be worthless. But if these are going to be worthless. But if they treat them like they're disposable they treat them like they're disposable they treat them like they're disposable then nature will over time make them then nature will over time make them then nature will over time make them valuable. This is exactly what happens valuable. This is exactly what happens valuable. This is exactly what happens with Shon and Jump. If you guys have with Shon and Jump. If you guys have with Shon and Jump. If you guys have never seen it obviously I've got a never seen it obviously I've got a never seen it obviously I've got a fetish for Japan so whatever. But uh fetish for Japan so whatever. But uh fetish for Japan so whatever. But uh they're on shelves everywhere all across they're on shelves everywhere all across they're on shelves everywhere all across Japan in like gas stations and stuff. Japan in like gas stations and stuff. Japan in like gas stations and stuff. This big thick super cheap paper uh This big thick super cheap paper uh This big thick super cheap paper uh print all in black and white of these print all in black and white of these print all in black and white of these manga. And then kids vote and if you say manga. And then kids vote and if you say manga. And then kids vote and if you say that you like they literally fill out that you like they literally fill out that you like they literally fill out voting cards and mail them in. It's voting cards and mail them in. It's voting cards and mail them in. It's [ __ ] wild. And so all of that meant [ __ ] wild. And so all of that meant [ __ ] wild. And so all of that meant that people don't think of these books that people don't think of these books that people don't think of these books as something you keep and so they get as something you keep and so they get as something you keep and so they get thrown away. So even though millions of thrown away. So even though millions of thrown away. So even though millions of them are produced, very few survive. And them are produced, very few survive. And them are produced, very few survive. And so even though they were produced like so even though they were produced like so even though they were produced like [ __ ] crazy, they were produced for [ __ ] crazy, they were produced for [ __ ] crazy, they were produced for kids who aren't thinking economics. kids who aren't thinking economics. kids who aren't thinking economics. They're thinking, "I love these They're thinking, "I love these They're thinking, "I love these stories." And so they become valuable stories." And so they become valuable stories." And so they become valuable over time and you now find people that over time and you now find people that over time and you now find people that will hunt for good conditioned versions will hunt for good conditioned versions will hunt for good conditioned versions of these very cheap and disposable of these very cheap and disposable of these very cheap and disposable magazines. And the very fact that they magazines. And the very fact that they magazines. And the very fact that they were made for kids, made to be cheap, were made for kids, made to be cheap, were made for kids, made to be cheap, made to be disposable is the thing that made to be disposable is the thing that made to be disposable is the thing that over time makes them incredibly over time makes them incredibly over time makes them incredibly valuable. and they're taking a totally valuable. and they're taking a totally valuable. and they're taking a totally different approach now because they're different approach now because they're different approach now because they're treating it like an economic or like a treating it like an economic or like a treating it like an economic or like a um asset category and so it's just icing um asset category and so it's just icing um asset category and so it's just icing kids out. It's going to make it dwindle kids out. It's going to make it dwindle kids out. It's going to make it dwindle over time. It makes me very sad because over time. It makes me very sad because over time. It makes me very sad because this experiment's already been run. this experiment's already been run. this experiment's already been run. You just explained capitalism You just explained capitalism You just explained capitalism >> literally. >> literally. >> literally. >> No, like that's what's happening in >> No, like that's what's happening in >> No, like that's what's happening in America right now. They're it's skewing America right now. They're it's skewing America right now. They're it's skewing odor. They're going out and if you just odor. They're going out and if you just odor. They're going out and if you just replace comic books with jobs, that will replace comic books with jobs, that will replace comic books with jobs, that will tell you everything you need to know. tell you everything you need to know. tell you everything you need to know. Can Can I give you another example? If Can Can I give you another example? If Can Can I give you another example? If you place comic books with houses, you place comic books with houses, you place comic books with houses, >> there it is. >> there it is. >> there it is. >> Because what you should be doing, making >> Because what you should be doing, making >> Because what you should be doing, making these [ __ ] things cheap and available these [ __ ] things cheap and available these [ __ ] things cheap and available everywhere. Everybody's got one. But everywhere. Everybody's got one. But everywhere. Everybody's got one. But some people will upgrade the [ __ ] out of some people will upgrade the [ __ ] out of some people will upgrade the [ __ ] out of them. They'll pour their heart and soul them. They'll pour their heart and soul them. They'll pour their heart and soul into it. And now all of a sudden, oh into it. And now all of a sudden, oh into it. And now all of a sudden, oh [ __ ] have you seen that one down on [ __ ] have you seen that one down on [ __ ] have you seen that one down on that street? Holy hell, that place is that street? Holy hell, that place is that street? Holy hell, that place is dope. That's incredible. I'll pay. I dope. That's incredible. I'll pay. I dope. That's incredible. I'll pay. I want that better one. I could get the want that better one. I could get the want that better one. I could get the cheap one. That's available. Nobody has cheap one. That's available. Nobody has cheap one. That's available. Nobody has to worry about that. But that one's to worry about that. But that one's to worry about that. But that one's dope. I'm emotionally connected to it. dope. I'm emotionally connected to it. dope. I'm emotionally connected to it. And now it's like the people that pour And now it's like the people that pour And now it's like the people that pour their heart and soul into something that their heart and soul into something that their heart and soul into something that was originally considered to be like was originally considered to be like was originally considered to be like whatever, whatever, whatever, >> it becomes like a thing that actually >> it becomes like a thing that actually >> it becomes like a thing that actually ends up having value. And so, yeah, make ends up having value. And so, yeah, make ends up having value. And so, yeah, make it affordable, make people able to get it affordable, make people able to get it affordable, make people able to get in and then value will be created in and then value will be created in and then value will be created downstream over time by somebody doing downstream over time by somebody doing downstream over time by somebody doing something special in the case of a something special in the case of a something special in the case of a Shonen Jump magazine preserving it. Shonen Jump magazine preserving it. Shonen Jump magazine preserving it. >> Yep. Um, very interesting. Perfect >> Yep. Um, very interesting. Perfect >> Yep. Um, very interesting. Perfect transition to go into mom Donnie on John transition to go into mom Donnie on John transition to go into mom Donnie on John Stewart. Uh, I'm curious about your take Stewart. Uh, I'm curious about your take Stewart. Uh, I'm curious about your take with this. I watched the whole with this. I watched the whole with this. I watched the whole interview. Um, and your set like your interview. Um, and your set like your interview. Um, and your set like your setup was interesting. So, I'm I'm setup was interesting. So, I'm I'm setup was interesting. So, I'm I'm curious. curious. curious. >> How does he embarrass himself? >> How does he embarrass himself? >> How does he embarrass himself? >> Yeah. No, cuz I was like the the >> Yeah. No, cuz I was like the the >> Yeah. No, cuz I was like the the conversation follow Logic and I feel conversation follow Logic and I feel conversation follow Logic and I feel like this is a very good I feel like me like this is a very good I feel like me like this is a very good I feel like me and you had this conversation a couple and you had this conversation a couple and you had this conversation a couple months ago. Um, but we'll hear it from months ago. Um, but we'll hear it from months ago. Um, but we'll hear it from the horse's mouth. the horse's mouth. the horse's mouth. >> If you go back to some of the Democrats >> If you go back to some of the Democrats >> If you go back to some of the Democrats that we most admire, FDR, LaGuardia, you that we most admire, FDR, LaGuardia, you that we most admire, FDR, LaGuardia, you will see a lot of democratic socialist will see a lot of democratic socialist will see a lot of democratic socialist principles in their vision. And if you principles in their vision. And if you principles in their vision. And if you think about a lot of what we've come to think about a lot of what we've come to think about a lot of what we've come to accept as just the facts of life across accept as just the facts of life across accept as just the facts of life across our country, a lot of it is also still our country, a lot of it is also still our country, a lot of it is also still driven by democratic socialist driven by democratic socialist driven by democratic socialist principles. Now, if today you and I were principles. Now, if today you and I were principles. Now, if today you and I were to introduce the idea of a building that to introduce the idea of a building that to introduce the idea of a building that lends out books for free, we would be lends out books for free, we would be lends out books for free, we would be slandered in the same way that so many slandered in the same way that so many slandered in the same way that so many new ideas are slandered today. And yet, new ideas are slandered today. And yet, new ideas are slandered today. And yet, that's the library. And the same thing that's the library. And the same thing that's the library. And the same thing with the fire department, the same thing with the fire department, the same thing with the fire department, the same thing with public schools. And it's to say with public schools. And it's to say with public schools. And it's to say that a lot of politics has been a debate that a lot of politics has been a debate that a lot of politics has been a debate about who deserves what. And I would about who deserves what. And I would about who deserves what. And I would prefer a politics that debates how we prefer a politics that debates how we prefer a politics that debates how we can deliver that to everyone. can deliver that to everyone. can deliver that to everyone. >> What's that, [ __ ] What is the >> What's that, [ __ ] What is the >> What's that, [ __ ] What is the that? So, he is a mauist. Let us be that? So, he is a mauist. Let us be that? So, he is a mauist. Let us be abundantly clear. We're going to do more abundantly clear. We're going to do more abundantly clear. We're going to do more deep dives on the DSA in their own deep dives on the DSA in their own deep dives on the DSA in their own words. This guy is a [ __ ] liar. He is words. This guy is a [ __ ] liar. He is words. This guy is a [ __ ] liar. He is misrepresenting the actual truth. And misrepresenting the actual truth. And misrepresenting the actual truth. And because of that, he's going to put a because of that, he's going to put a because of that, he's going to put a slick veneer on something that is truly slick veneer on something that is truly slick veneer on something that is truly about control. So, first of all, he's he about control. So, first of all, he's he about control. So, first of all, he's he is straw manning the opposite side. And is straw manning the opposite side. And is straw manning the opposite side. And so, for that, [ __ ] him. The reality is so, for that, [ __ ] him. The reality is so, for that, [ __ ] him. The reality is that why do people like the um fire that why do people like the um fire that why do people like the um fire department? Because it's dope to have a department? Because it's dope to have a department? Because it's dope to have a public good where um the fire department public good where um the fire department public good where um the fire department of old was like you got paid for how of old was like you got paid for how of old was like you got paid for how many fires you put out. And so, when you many fires you put out. And so, when you many fires you put out. And so, when you um create that incentive, one, you've um create that incentive, one, you've um create that incentive, one, you've got an incentive to start a fire that got an incentive to start a fire that got an incentive to start a fire that you can get put out so you can get paid. you can get put out so you can get paid. you can get put out so you can get paid. If you don't think that kind of thing If you don't think that kind of thing If you don't think that kind of thing happens, first of all, just read happens, first of all, just read happens, first of all, just read history. And then second, look at what history. And then second, look at what history. And then second, look at what happened. I think it was in India. They happened. I think it was in India. They happened. I think it was in India. They were trying to get rid of king cobras. were trying to get rid of king cobras. were trying to get rid of king cobras. So they offered people, we'll pay you So they offered people, we'll pay you So they offered people, we'll pay you this much for bringing in a dead cobra. this much for bringing in a dead cobra. this much for bringing in a dead cobra. So people started actually raising So people started actually raising So people started actually raising cobras and creating like breeding farms, cobras and creating like breeding farms, cobras and creating like breeding farms, killing them, and then bringing them in killing them, and then bringing them in killing them, and then bringing them in to get the money for it. Uh so you to get the money for it. Uh so you to get the money for it. Uh so you create this perverse incentive. So create this perverse incentive. So create this perverse incentive. So people looked at that and said, "Oh, we people looked at that and said, "Oh, we people looked at that and said, "Oh, we create a weird perverse incentive." So, create a weird perverse incentive." So, create a weird perverse incentive." So, if he thinks he's arguing against if he thinks he's arguing against if he thinks he's arguing against Michael Malice and somebody that wants Michael Malice and somebody that wants Michael Malice and somebody that wants everything to be um anarchy, again, as everything to be um anarchy, again, as everything to be um anarchy, again, as Michael Malice describes it, maybe maybe Michael Malice describes it, maybe maybe Michael Malice describes it, maybe maybe Malice would recognize himself in in the Malice would recognize himself in in the Malice would recognize himself in in the picture that he's painting. I certainly picture that he's painting. I certainly picture that he's painting. I certainly do not. I am not no do not. I am not no do not. I am not no um um um fan of America and the let's call it the fan of America and the let's call it the fan of America and the let's call it the founding father's vision of American founding father's vision of American founding father's vision of American capitalism is arguing for having no capitalism is arguing for having no capitalism is arguing for having no government assistance. Okay? So, we're government assistance. Okay? So, we're government assistance. Okay? So, we're going to have the government. But when going to have the government. But when going to have the government. But when he says these are DSA principles, that he says these are DSA principles, that he says these are DSA principles, that is [ __ ] Mao represents DSA is [ __ ] Mao represents DSA is [ __ ] Mao represents DSA principles, which is we are going to principles, which is we are going to principles, which is we are going to make [ __ ] free. The people that are make [ __ ] free. The people that are make [ __ ] free. The people that are making money are evil. That and and I making money are evil. That and and I making money are evil. That and and I quote, the most likely person to be the quote, the most likely person to be the quote, the most likely person to be the 2028 candidate on the Democrat side said 2028 candidate on the Democrat side said 2028 candidate on the Democrat side said there was no way to generate a billion there was no way to generate a billion there was no way to generate a billion dollars uh in revenue. I can't remember dollars uh in revenue. I can't remember dollars uh in revenue. I can't remember if she's saying revenue or wealth, but if she's saying revenue or wealth, but if she's saying revenue or wealth, but either way, there's no way to generate a either way, there's no way to generate a either way, there's no way to generate a billion dollars without doing something billion dollars without doing something billion dollars without doing something illegal. [ __ ] right off. illegal. [ __ ] right off. illegal. [ __ ] right off. unethical. Perfect. So, literally, [ __ ] unethical. Perfect. So, literally, [ __ ] unethical. Perfect. So, literally, [ __ ] you. That that is absolutely you. That that is absolutely you. That that is absolutely nonsensical. Not only is it possible, I nonsensical. Not only is it possible, I nonsensical. Not only is it possible, I have [ __ ] done it. So, I don't even have [ __ ] done it. So, I don't even have [ __ ] done it. So, I don't even want to hear [snorts] that you're doing want to hear [snorts] that you're doing want to hear [snorts] that you're doing something unethical. That that is something unethical. That that is something unethical. That that is [ __ ] Now, if you want to point to [ __ ] Now, if you want to point to [ __ ] Now, if you want to point to what you think I have done that's what you think I have done that's what you think I have done that's unethical, I'll happily go to battle on unethical, I'll happily go to battle on unethical, I'll happily go to battle on that. So, this is when you talk about that. So, this is when you talk about that. So, this is when you talk about the absurd um like magic trick that he's the absurd um like magic trick that he's the absurd um like magic trick that he's trying to pull around saying that a trying to pull around saying that a trying to pull around saying that a library is exactly the DSA. No, it's library is exactly the DSA. No, it's library is exactly the DSA. No, it's not. Look at what Mao did. Mao said, not. Look at what Mao did. Mao said, not. Look at what Mao did. Mao said, "Hey everybody, um we're going to do "Hey everybody, um we're going to do "Hey everybody, um we're going to do things our way. We're going to get rid things our way. We're going to get rid things our way. We're going to get rid of the four olds. We're going to uh move of the four olds. We're going to uh move of the four olds. We're going to uh move into a brave new future. I want you all into a brave new future. I want you all into a brave new future. I want you all to plant the crops at this time because to plant the crops at this time because to plant the crops at this time because I know best, just like they're trying to I know best, just like they're trying to I know best, just like they're trying to do with rent freezes. you guys are doing do with rent freezes. you guys are doing do with rent freezes. you guys are doing bad things in the way that you're trying bad things in the way that you're trying bad things in the way that you're trying to charge for rent. It shouldn't be that to charge for rent. It shouldn't be that to charge for rent. It shouldn't be that expensive. I know better than you. So, expensive. I know better than you. So, expensive. I know better than you. So, this is what you're going to charge for this is what you're going to charge for this is what you're going to charge for your rent. Not understanding the your rent. Not understanding the your rent. Not understanding the knock-on effects that it's going to knock-on effects that it's going to knock-on effects that it's going to have. That is very different than people have. That is very different than people have. That is very different than people going, you know what I think would be going, you know what I think would be going, you know what I think would be dope if we created a place where really dope if we created a place where really dope if we created a place where really driven young people or old people, driven young people or old people, driven young people or old people, whoever the [ __ ] want to come in and whoever the [ __ ] want to come in and whoever the [ __ ] want to come in and get educated. So, we want our people to get educated. So, we want our people to get educated. So, we want our people to be educated to high heaven. And we want be educated to high heaven. And we want be educated to high heaven. And we want to create access to that knowledge for to create access to that knowledge for to create access to that knowledge for free. That's the dopest [ __ ] ever. And free. That's the dopest [ __ ] ever. And free. That's the dopest [ __ ] ever. And now people can go learn. And if you're now people can go learn. And if you're now people can go learn. And if you're asking me if I would be willing to pay asking me if I would be willing to pay asking me if I would be willing to pay tax dollars to make sure that, for tax dollars to make sure that, for tax dollars to make sure that, for instance, kids have access to the instance, kids have access to the instance, kids have access to the internet. Yes. If you want to know if I internet. Yes. If you want to know if I internet. Yes. If you want to know if I would put tax dollars to make sure that would put tax dollars to make sure that would put tax dollars to make sure that kids have access to AI, yes. So, there kids have access to AI, yes. So, there kids have access to AI, yes. So, there are things for sure to make sure that are things for sure to make sure that are things for sure to make sure that the next generation is educated. Would I the next generation is educated. Would I the next generation is educated. Would I put money towards making sure that the put money towards making sure that the put money towards making sure that the fire department isn't like there aren't fire department isn't like there aren't fire department isn't like there aren't six fire departments competing uh for six fire departments competing uh for six fire departments competing uh for that houseire? Yes, of course. Like it's that houseire? Yes, of course. Like it's that houseire? Yes, of course. Like it's just a it's a better world. It's more just a it's a better world. It's more just a it's a better world. It's more stable foundation. Uh if you're asking stable foundation. Uh if you're asking stable foundation. Uh if you're asking me, am I willing to do things that are me, am I willing to do things that are me, am I willing to do things that are going to break the engine of prosperity? going to break the engine of prosperity? going to break the engine of prosperity? This is where he is he is either dumb or This is where he is he is either dumb or This is where he is he is either dumb or evil. Either one is completely evil. Either one is completely evil. Either one is completely disqualifying. And if John Stewart disqualifying. And if John Stewart disqualifying. And if John Stewart actually can't see the difference actually can't see the difference actually can't see the difference between freezing someone's rent, which between freezing someone's rent, which between freezing someone's rent, which has already been tried, remember this has already been tried, remember this has already been tried, remember this experiment has been run and it ended up experiment has been run and it ended up experiment has been run and it ended up in the most horrific conditions in New in the most horrific conditions in New in the most horrific conditions in New York. It wasn't even like this was run York. It wasn't even like this was run York. It wasn't even like this was run somewhere else. It's actually done in somewhere else. It's actually done in somewhere else. It's actually done in [ __ ] New York. So you can't have the [ __ ] New York. So you can't have the [ __ ] New York. So you can't have the cost of running something be unclamped cost of running something be unclamped cost of running something be unclamped and the cost to charge for that thing and the cost to charge for that thing and the cost to charge for that thing clamped. It's completely nonsensical clamped. It's completely nonsensical clamped. It's completely nonsensical from from cause and effect first from from cause and effect first from from cause and effect first principles. It is completely principles. It is completely principles. It is completely nonsensical. Now, he can say it with a nonsensical. Now, he can say it with a nonsensical. Now, he can say it with a smile. He can say it in ways that feel smile. He can say it in ways that feel smile. He can say it in ways that feel great, but he cannot map it from cause great, but he cannot map it from cause great, but he cannot map it from cause and effect. He can't do it. And that's and effect. He can't do it. And that's and effect. He can't do it. And that's why at the end of a speech, he just why at the end of a speech, he just why at the end of a speech, he just starts saying that I want or he'll talk starts saying that I want or he'll talk starts saying that I want or he'll talk a lot about workers and dignity or he'll a lot about workers and dignity or he'll a lot about workers and dignity or he'll say the city deserves better. What the say the city deserves better. What the say the city deserves better. What the [ __ ] does that mean? That dude, I've [ __ ] does that mean? That dude, I've [ __ ] does that mean? That dude, I've seen people in in my mindset days, one seen people in in my mindset days, one seen people in in my mindset days, one of the things that ended up driving me of the things that ended up driving me of the things that ended up driving me [ __ ] crazy was people take obesity [ __ ] crazy was people take obesity [ __ ] crazy was people take obesity for a second. So, I would say you're fat for a second. So, I would say you're fat for a second. So, I would say you're fat because you eat things that are going to because you eat things that are going to because you eat things that are going to make you fat. Plain and simple. It's you make you fat. Plain and simple. It's you make you fat. Plain and simple. It's you don't have a a a genetic disease. It's don't have a a a genetic disease. It's don't have a a a genetic disease. It's not that. You're just eating dumb [ __ ] not that. You're just eating dumb [ __ ] not that. You're just eating dumb [ __ ] There were no obese people in Awitz. There were no obese people in Awitz. There were no obese people in Awitz. Why? Because ultimately this comes down Why? Because ultimately this comes down Why? Because ultimately this comes down to caloric deficit. So, you may not be to caloric deficit. So, you may not be to caloric deficit. So, you may not be willing to do the things you need to do willing to do the things you need to do willing to do the things you need to do to get lean. Fine, cool. Go enjoy the to get lean. Fine, cool. Go enjoy the to get lean. Fine, cool. Go enjoy the ice cream. I don't have any moral ice cream. I don't have any moral ice cream. I don't have any moral compunctions with it whatsoever. But if compunctions with it whatsoever. But if compunctions with it whatsoever. But if you're trying to map how we ended up you're trying to map how we ended up you're trying to map how we ended up here, it it is a very simple you must do here, it it is a very simple you must do here, it it is a very simple you must do these things if you want to get lean. these things if you want to get lean. these things if you want to get lean. You may not want to do them. And that's You may not want to do them. And that's You may not want to do them. And that's fine. If a city isn't willing to do the fine. If a city isn't willing to do the fine. If a city isn't willing to do the things it needs to do to be prosperous, things it needs to do to be prosperous, things it needs to do to be prosperous, it will not be prosperous. It does not it will not be prosperous. It does not it will not be prosperous. It does not matter if the city feels that it is matter if the city feels that it is matter if the city feels that it is entitled to eat the ice cream. If you entitled to eat the ice cream. If you entitled to eat the ice cream. If you eat ice cream, you get fat if you eat eat ice cream, you get fat if you eat eat ice cream, you get fat if you eat too much of it. Let's be very clear. So too much of it. Let's be very clear. So too much of it. Let's be very clear. So on that, what the [ __ ] does desserve on that, what the [ __ ] does desserve on that, what the [ __ ] does desserve have to do with it? And when I would be have to do with it? And when I would be have to do with it? And when I would be doing mindset with people and I would doing mindset with people and I would doing mindset with people and I would say, "Hey, I want to help." They would say, "Hey, I want to help." They would say, "Hey, I want to help." They would [ __ ] come to me and they would say, [ __ ] come to me and they would say, [ __ ] come to me and they would say, "Hey, I have this problem. Help me "Hey, I have this problem. Help me "Hey, I have this problem. Help me overcome it. Cool. I want to see you overcome it. Cool. I want to see you overcome it. Cool. I want to see you succeed. Here's what you have to do." succeed. Here's what you have to do." succeed. Here's what you have to do." And then they would actually say, they And then they would actually say, they And then they would actually say, they would actually say, and I quote, "I would actually say, and I quote, "I would actually say, and I quote, "I deserve this ice cream." deserve this ice cream." deserve this ice cream." What am I supposed to do with that? What What am I supposed to do with that? What What am I supposed to do with that? What do you mean that this is physics? do you mean that this is physics? do you mean that this is physics? Economies have an engine of prosperity. Economies have an engine of prosperity. Economies have an engine of prosperity. The right, the reason it's right to The right, the reason it's right to The right, the reason it's right to think of it as an engine is because think of it as an engine is because think of it as an engine is because engines require physics. There's no engines require physics. There's no engines require physics. There's no magic to an internal combustion engine. magic to an internal combustion engine. magic to an internal combustion engine. You align things in a certain way. You You align things in a certain way. You You align things in a certain way. You put certain inputs in, you get certain put certain inputs in, you get certain put certain inputs in, you get certain outputs. If you fail to do that, you outputs. If you fail to do that, you outputs. If you fail to do that, you break the engine of prosperity and it break the engine of prosperity and it break the engine of prosperity and it doesn't work and it does not provide the doesn't work and it does not provide the doesn't work and it does not provide the very thing that allows you to tax and do very thing that allows you to tax and do very thing that allows you to tax and do all this stuff for free. Remember the all this stuff for free. Remember the all this stuff for free. Remember the core problem, the core problem is no one core problem, the core problem is no one core problem, the core problem is no one will work for free. will work for free. will work for free. The second you show me how people can The second you show me how people can The second you show me how people can work for free, then we can have the work for free, then we can have the work for free, then we can have the utopia. But if you can't get people to utopia. But if you can't get people to utopia. But if you can't get people to work for free, you have to use force. work for free, you have to use force. work for free, you have to use force. Mao tried it, Stalin tried it, Lenin Mao tried it, Stalin tried it, Lenin Mao tried it, Stalin tried it, Lenin tried it. It just Paul Pot tried it. It tried it. It just Paul Pot tried it. It tried it. It just Paul Pot tried it. It just ends in death. A lot of death just ends in death. A lot of death just ends in death. A lot of death because you have to go kill those people because you have to go kill those people because you have to go kill those people or starve them to death. That's also a or starve them to death. That's also a or starve them to death. That's also a fun one that has been done by Mao. Uh fun one that has been done by Mao. Uh fun one that has been done by Mao. Uh and these guys model themselves after and these guys model themselves after and these guys model themselves after Mao. Hassan [ __ ] dressed up like Mao to Mao. Hassan [ __ ] dressed up like Mao to Mao. Hassan [ __ ] dressed up like Mao to give a speech. Um so can we uh Okay. give a speech. Um so can we uh Okay. give a speech. Um so can we uh Okay. Right. Really quick. Yep. Right. Really quick. Yep. Right. Really quick. Yep. >> If he would have been like free >> If he would have been like free >> If he would have been like free libraries, fire department, that is a libraries, fire department, that is a libraries, fire department, that is a social service policy. You would have social service policy. You would have social service policy. You would have had no beef. The fact that he's labeling had no beef. The fact that he's labeling had no beef. The fact that he's labeling that democratic socialist policy, DSA that democratic socialist policy, DSA that democratic socialist policy, DSA policies, policies, policies, >> the fact that he's trying to um smuggle >> the fact that he's trying to um smuggle >> the fact that he's trying to um smuggle in something that is absolutely a lie in something that is absolutely a lie in something that is absolutely a lie >> DSA >> DSA >> DSA >> under Yes. The DSA policies are not >> under Yes. The DSA policies are not >> under Yes. The DSA policies are not social safety nets. social safety nets. social safety nets. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> The DSA policies are um we are going to >> The DSA policies are um we are going to >> The DSA policies are um we are going to take over the means of production. We take over the means of production. We take over the means of production. We want to abolish the Senate so that want to abolish the Senate so that want to abolish the Senate so that everything can be done by pure how who everything can be done by pure how who everything can be done by pure how who has more people. um literally breaking has more people. um literally breaking has more people. um literally breaking all of the things that work in a all of the things that work in a all of the things that work in a democracy. They will do that to gain democracy. They will do that to gain democracy. They will do that to gain power and then they will clamp down on power and then they will clamp down on power and then they will clamp down on people. As they say, you can vote people. As they say, you can vote people. As they say, you can vote communism in, you can't vote it out. The communism in, you can't vote it out. The communism in, you can't vote it out. The first thing they do is then they say, first thing they do is then they say, first thing they do is then they say, "We don't need elections anymore. We we "We don't need elections anymore. We we "We don't need elections anymore. We we can't have anybody [ __ ] this thing up." can't have anybody [ __ ] this thing up." can't have anybody [ __ ] this thing up." >> And so now that we've got it, we fought >> And so now that we've got it, we fought >> And so now that we've got it, we fought so hard to get here. We've got to so hard to get here. We've got to so hard to get here. We've got to abolish all these other things and just abolish all these other things and just abolish all these other things and just make that those checks and balances make that those checks and balances make that those checks and balances impossible. Uh boys and girls, you need impossible. Uh boys and girls, you need impossible. Uh boys and girls, you need only look at the direction of travel. only look at the direction of travel. only look at the direction of travel. These guys tell on themselves every These guys tell on themselves every These guys tell on themselves every [ __ ] day by who they celebrate. They [ __ ] day by who they celebrate. They [ __ ] day by who they celebrate. They are Marxist Leninists. Watch how that are Marxist Leninists. Watch how that are Marxist Leninists. Watch how that has played out in reality. It's [ __ ] has played out in reality. It's [ __ ] has played out in reality. It's [ __ ] crazy. So, this is one of those things crazy. So, this is one of those things crazy. So, this is one of those things where um the the person is telling you where um the the person is telling you where um the the person is telling you >> I I'm going to use different people who >> I I'm going to use different people who >> I I'm going to use different people who are far worse or sorry um far much less are far worse or sorry um far much less are far worse or sorry um far much less worse but have a way worse reputation to worse but have a way worse reputation to worse but have a way worse reputation to explain to you what's happening. So, um, explain to you what's happening. So, um, explain to you what's happening. So, um, they go, "Okay, my my hero is, um, Ted they go, "Okay, my my hero is, um, Ted they go, "Okay, my my hero is, um, Ted Bundy." Bundy." Bundy." >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And I'm opening a women's shelter, and >> And I'm opening a women's shelter, and >> And I'm opening a women's shelter, and it's called the the Bundy Women's it's called the the Bundy Women's it's called the the Bundy Women's Shelter. And, you know, when people look Shelter. And, you know, when people look Shelter. And, you know, when people look back, few people have done more for back, few people have done more for back, few people have done more for women's rights than Ted Bundy. And then women's rights than Ted Bundy. And then women's rights than Ted Bundy. And then you want to cut to the the shot from uh you want to cut to the the shot from uh you want to cut to the the shot from uh of Leonardo DiCaprio snapping his of Leonardo DiCaprio snapping his of Leonardo DiCaprio snapping his fingers and pointing whistling and fingers and pointing whistling and fingers and pointing whistling and pointing at the screen. You're like, pointing at the screen. You're like, pointing at the screen. You're like, "Hold on. Ted Bundy was a [ __ ] serial "Hold on. Ted Bundy was a [ __ ] serial "Hold on. Ted Bundy was a [ __ ] serial killer." So, and he killed women. What? killer." So, and he killed women. What? killer." So, and he killed women. What? What are what are you talking about? So, What are what are you talking about? So, What are what are you talking about? So, for you to celebrate Lenin, Marx, uh for you to celebrate Lenin, Marx, uh for you to celebrate Lenin, Marx, uh Stalin, Mal, dude, they are mass Stalin, Mal, dude, they are mass Stalin, Mal, dude, they are mass murderers that that have they are murderers that that have they are murderers that that have they are unrivaled except by Genghaskhan. They unrivaled except by Genghaskhan. They unrivaled except by Genghaskhan. They are unrivaled in human history. Mhm. are unrivaled in human history. Mhm. are unrivaled in human history. Mhm. >> So what are you talking about? How how >> So what are you talking about? How how >> So what are you talking about? How how are people not freaking out? If they are people not freaking out? If they are people not freaking out? If they said, "Our hero is Hitler," people would said, "Our hero is Hitler," people would said, "Our hero is Hitler," people would have the right response. But Hitler was have the right response. But Hitler was have the right response. But Hitler was not as effective at killing people as not as effective at killing people as not as effective at killing people as the people they celebrate. And so I'm the people they celebrate. And so I'm the people they celebrate. And so I'm just like, "Dude, this is too weird. just like, "Dude, this is too weird. just like, "Dude, this is too weird. This is too weird." In fact, I'm going This is too weird." In fact, I'm going This is too weird." In fact, I'm going to I'm going to strip all the emotion to I'm going to strip all the emotion to I'm going to strip all the emotion out of my voice for a second because out of my voice for a second because out of my voice for a second because when I hear things like this, and it's a when I hear things like this, and it's a when I hear things like this, and it's a thing that happens right in people's thing that happens right in people's thing that happens right in people's faces, faces, faces, >> and I'm like, why didn't anybody point >> and I'm like, why didn't anybody point >> and I'm like, why didn't anybody point this out? this out? this out? >> So, let me point it out cuz I'm like, >> So, let me point it out cuz I'm like, >> So, let me point it out cuz I'm like, the the rebuttals are always just the the rebuttals are always just the the rebuttals are always just emotional. emotional. emotional. >> Let me give it to you completely >> Let me give it to you completely >> Let me give it to you completely unemotional. unemotional. unemotional. The DSA admires The DSA admires The DSA admires Mao. The DSA admires Stalin. The DSA Mao. The DSA admires Stalin. The DSA Mao. The DSA admires Stalin. The DSA admires of their own admission, Lenin. admires of their own admission, Lenin. admires of their own admission, Lenin. The DSA admires Marx. The DSA admires Marx. The DSA admires Marx. They have an oppressed versus oppressor They have an oppressed versus oppressor They have an oppressed versus oppressor lens. No matter what words come out of lens. No matter what words come out of lens. No matter what words come out of their mouth, that is their lens. their mouth, that is their lens. their mouth, that is their lens. There is the oppressor and oppressed in There is the oppressor and oppressed in There is the oppressor and oppressed in every relationship. And we always fight every relationship. And we always fight every relationship. And we always fight for the oppressed and we are always for the oppressed and we are always for the oppressed and we are always opposed to the oppressor. So then you opposed to the oppressor. So then you opposed to the oppressor. So then you just have to ask okay who's the just have to ask okay who's the just have to ask okay who's the oppressed and who's the oppressor in if oppressed and who's the oppressor in if oppressed and who's the oppressor in if you just take America writ large America you just take America writ large America you just take America writ large America is the oppressor and um they will say is the oppressor and um they will say is the oppressor and um they will say the marginalized are the oppressed. They the marginalized are the oppressed. They the marginalized are the oppressed. They tried race for a long time. Now they're tried race for a long time. Now they're tried race for a long time. Now they're moving it to class and so they just talk moving it to class and so they just talk moving it to class and so they just talk about the working man. Remember the about the working man. Remember the about the working man. Remember the working man never starts these revolts. working man never starts these revolts. working man never starts these revolts. It is always overproduced elites. The It is always overproduced elites. The It is always overproduced elites. The reason overproduced elites gravitate reason overproduced elites gravitate reason overproduced elites gravitate towards Marxism is it is a religion is towards Marxism is it is a religion is towards Marxism is it is a religion is the right way to think about it. It is a the right way to think about it. It is a the right way to think about it. It is a religion masquerading as an economic religion masquerading as an economic religion masquerading as an economic philosophy that is built on resentment. philosophy that is built on resentment. philosophy that is built on resentment. So even take Steve Keane who really So even take Steve Keane who really So even take Steve Keane who really believes that Marx is one of if not the believes that Marx is one of if not the believes that Marx is one of if not the I think he'll go all the way to the I think he'll go all the way to the I think he'll go all the way to the greatest economic mind ever. even he greatest economic mind ever. even he greatest economic mind ever. even he admits, but he had a philosophical admits, but he had a philosophical admits, but he had a philosophical conclusion he wanted to reach and he conclusion he wanted to reach and he conclusion he wanted to reach and he ended up betraying himself and pushing ended up betraying himself and pushing ended up betraying himself and pushing this thing that reached a political this thing that reached a political this thing that reached a political outcome. But if you back up a few steps outcome. But if you back up a few steps outcome. But if you back up a few steps right up to where he inserts his right up to where he inserts his right up to where he inserts his philosophy, he actually understood the philosophy, he actually understood the philosophy, he actually understood the economy better than most people, at economy better than most people, at economy better than most people, at least the economy of that time. Okay? So least the economy of that time. Okay? So least the economy of that time. Okay? So now you have this religion that didn't now you have this religion that didn't now you have this religion that didn't stop at the economy that went to stop at the economy that went to stop at the economy that went to philosophy that was embraced and philosophy that was embraced and philosophy that was embraced and deployed by the biggest mass murderers deployed by the biggest mass murderers deployed by the biggest mass murderers to ever exist only rivaled by to ever exist only rivaled by to ever exist only rivaled by Genghaskhan. I'll always put that caveat Genghaskhan. I'll always put that caveat Genghaskhan. I'll always put that caveat so people know I'm literally looking so people know I'm literally looking so people know I'm literally looking through all of human history. So now through all of human history. So now through all of human history. So now when people when people when people have because of the far-left march have because of the far-left march have because of the far-left march through the institutions meaning as they through the institutions meaning as they through the institutions meaning as they say history is written by the winner say history is written by the winner say history is written by the winner curriculum is written by the professors. curriculum is written by the professors. curriculum is written by the professors. If all of your professors think Markx is If all of your professors think Markx is If all of your professors think Markx is great, if all of your professors think great, if all of your professors think great, if all of your professors think Lenin is great, if all of your Lenin is great, if all of your Lenin is great, if all of your professors think Mao is great, then kids professors think Mao is great, then kids professors think Mao is great, then kids that come up through that institution that come up through that institution that come up through that institution will think all those same things. And so will think all those same things. And so will think all those same things. And so even though Mao killed at least, nobody even though Mao killed at least, nobody even though Mao killed at least, nobody estimates less than 45 million. Some estimates less than 45 million. Some estimates less than 45 million. Some people will push it all the way up to 80 people will push it all the way up to 80 people will push it all the way up to 80 or 100 million, but let's just stick or 100 million, but let's just stick or 100 million, but let's just stick with the low estimate. Mao killed at with the low estimate. Mao killed at with the low estimate. Mao killed at least 45 million people himself. All of least 45 million people himself. All of least 45 million people himself. All of World War II only killed like 56 World War II only killed like 56 World War II only killed like 56 million. Hitler himself killed way, way, million. Hitler himself killed way, way, million. Hitler himself killed way, way, way less than that. And so Mao alone, way less than that. And so Mao alone, way less than that. And so Mao alone, forget Lenin, forget Stalin, Mao alone forget Lenin, forget Stalin, Mao alone forget Lenin, forget Stalin, Mao alone killed 45 million people. So they killed 45 million people. So they killed 45 million people. So they celebrate him and it doesn't trigger any celebrate him and it doesn't trigger any celebrate him and it doesn't trigger any alarm bells. And that's the part where alarm bells. And that's the part where alarm bells. And that's the part where I'm like, guys, think of it as a test. I'm like, guys, think of it as a test. I'm like, guys, think of it as a test. Mal ran a test for us and he said, I Mal ran a test for us and he said, I Mal ran a test for us and he said, I want to see what happens when you uh want to see what happens when you uh want to see what happens when you uh take this Marxist belief system and you take this Marxist belief system and you take this Marxist belief system and you deploy it at scale. Lenin did the same deploy it at scale. Lenin did the same deploy it at scale. Lenin did the same thing for us. It kills relentlessly. thing for us. It kills relentlessly. thing for us. It kills relentlessly. Paul Pot tries it. It kills relentlessly Paul Pot tries it. It kills relentlessly Paul Pot tries it. It kills relentlessly for the reasons that I've said that you for the reasons that I've said that you for the reasons that I've said that you end up having to do it by force because end up having to do it by force because end up having to do it by force because you break the engine of prosperity. So you break the engine of prosperity. So you break the engine of prosperity. So you break the engine of prosperity, you break the engine of prosperity, you break the engine of prosperity, everybody's life starts getting worse. everybody's life starts getting worse. everybody's life starts getting worse. They're able to afford less. There are They're able to afford less. There are They're able to afford less. There are fewer things on the grocery store fewer things on the grocery store fewer things on the grocery store shelves. In the case of the Bronx, when shelves. In the case of the Bronx, when shelves. In the case of the Bronx, when rent freezes were tried back in the 70s, rent freezes were tried back in the 70s, rent freezes were tried back in the 70s, uh people were just burning the uh people were just burning the uh people were just burning the buildings down. So eventually people go, buildings down. So eventually people go, buildings down. So eventually people go, "This isn't working." And at that point, "This isn't working." And at that point, "This isn't working." And at that point, you can't just say, "Oh yeah, you're you can't just say, "Oh yeah, you're you can't just say, "Oh yeah, you're right. Why?" Because you'll lose power. right. Why?" Because you'll lose power. right. Why?" Because you'll lose power. And this was a game of resentment and And this was a game of resentment and And this was a game of resentment and power acquisition from the beginning. power acquisition from the beginning. power acquisition from the beginning. That's why Mark spills over into That's why Mark spills over into That's why Mark spills over into philosophy instead of just sticking with philosophy instead of just sticking with philosophy instead of just sticking with the economics. So now you have a the economics. So now you have a the economics. So now you have a religion of resentment that becomes a religion of resentment that becomes a religion of resentment that becomes a way to acquire power. Once you acquire way to acquire power. Once you acquire way to acquire power. Once you acquire power to maintain it when the economic power to maintain it when the economic power to maintain it when the economic system doesn't work, you can't win system doesn't work, you can't win system doesn't work, you can't win people over because you've made their people over because you've made their people over because you've made their lives better. You've made their lives lives better. You've made their lives lives better. You've made their lives worse. Materially, measurably, worse. Materially, measurably, worse. Materially, measurably, obviously, repeatably. You've made it obviously, repeatably. You've made it obviously, repeatably. You've made it worse. So they'll rebel. So your only worse. So they'll rebel. So your only worse. So they'll rebel. So your only option if you want to retain power, option if you want to retain power, option if you want to retain power, which was your goal in the first place, which was your goal in the first place, which was your goal in the first place, is to start killing them. Now remember, is to start killing them. Now remember, is to start killing them. Now remember, Mao, while his people were starving to Mao, while his people were starving to Mao, while his people were starving to death by the tens of millions, was death by the tens of millions, was death by the tens of millions, was exporting grain. Why was he doing that? exporting grain. Why was he doing that? exporting grain. Why was he doing that? So that he could live in a mansion and So that he could live in a mansion and So that he could live in a mansion and make sure that he always had food. make sure that he always had food. make sure that he always had food. I I I I don't know. Read the books about him. I don't know. Read the books about him. I don't know. Read the books about him. This is not me making this up. I I'm This is not me making this up. I I'm This is not me making this up. I I'm giving you like the just top layer giving you like the just top layer giving you like the just top layer greatest hits. Like the dude had his own greatest hits. Like the dude had his own greatest hits. Like the dude had his own he sent his own son to die. Um he left he sent his own son to die. Um he left he sent his own son to die. Um he left his wife, didn't tell her he was his wife, didn't tell her he was his wife, didn't tell her he was leaving, left her in an area that he leaving, left her in an area that he leaving, left her in an area that he knew the military was about to come and knew the military was about to come and knew the military was about to come and obliterate, so she died. I mean, the the obliterate, so she died. I mean, the the obliterate, so she died. I mean, the the [ __ ] that this guy's done is is [ __ ] [ __ ] that this guy's done is is [ __ ] [ __ ] that this guy's done is is [ __ ] insane. Um he's one of the most evil insane. Um he's one of the most evil insane. Um he's one of the most evil human beings ever to live. And you have human beings ever to live. And you have human beings ever to live. And you have Mam Dani who is very good at smiling, Mam Dani who is very good at smiling, Mam Dani who is very good at smiling, who is very good at propagandizing and who is very good at propagandizing and who is very good at propagandizing and speaking as if he's coming from a place speaking as if he's coming from a place speaking as if he's coming from a place of love. Um, the DSA is not social of love. Um, the DSA is not social of love. Um, the DSA is not social safety net. The DSA is Marxism. Marxism safety net. The DSA is Marxism. Marxism safety net. The DSA is Marxism. Marxism is what we just talked about. It is a is what we just talked about. It is a is what we just talked about. It is a philosophy of resentment masquerading as philosophy of resentment masquerading as philosophy of resentment masquerading as an economic principle that doesn't work. an economic principle that doesn't work. an economic principle that doesn't work. It's been tried. So that's where the It's been tried. So that's where the It's been tried. So that's where the push back needs to be extraordinary. We push back needs to be extraordinary. We push back needs to be extraordinary. We need to be very intellectually robust need to be very intellectually robust need to be very intellectually robust and muscular in our absolute unrelenting and muscular in our absolute unrelenting and muscular in our absolute unrelenting and ever repeating takedown of these and ever repeating takedown of these and ever repeating takedown of these ideas. They are sinister and they are ideas. They are sinister and they are ideas. They are sinister and they are being masqueraded being masqueraded being masqueraded um through something that they aren't. um through something that they aren't. um through something that they aren't. likening marks to the library is the likening marks to the library is the likening marks to the library is the craziest [ __ ] I've ever heard in my craziest [ __ ] I've ever heard in my craziest [ __ ] I've ever heard in my life. Likening um solving the perverse life. Likening um solving the perverse life. Likening um solving the perverse incentives that would arise if you try incentives that would arise if you try incentives that would arise if you try to use capitalism for firefighting and to use capitalism for firefighting and to use capitalism for firefighting and saying as if the other side is saying, saying as if the other side is saying, saying as if the other side is saying, "Oh, no, no, no. We want a perfectly "Oh, no, no, no. We want a perfectly "Oh, no, no, no. We want a perfectly free economy embedded inside of anarchy free economy embedded inside of anarchy free economy embedded inside of anarchy isn't real. I don't know who you're isn't real. I don't know who you're isn't real. I don't know who you're arguing with. It certainly isn't any um arguing with. It certainly isn't any um arguing with. It certainly isn't any um respected and vocal proponent of America respected and vocal proponent of America respected and vocal proponent of America and capitalism because nobody is saying and capitalism because nobody is saying and capitalism because nobody is saying that. And so the level of absurdity, the that. And so the level of absurdity, the that. And so the level of absurdity, the level of theatrics, the level of lies level of theatrics, the level of lies level of theatrics, the level of lies that are being told is too much to that are being told is too much to that are being told is too much to ignore first of all. And then second, it ignore first of all. And then second, it ignore first of all. And then second, it is way too consequential. is way too consequential. is way too consequential. Because if America tries to solve its Because if America tries to solve its Because if America tries to solve its very real problems by adopting a very real problems by adopting a very real problems by adopting a murderous strategy, that would be the murderous strategy, that would be the murderous strategy, that would be the biggest catastrophe any of us could biggest catastrophe any of us could biggest catastrophe any of us could face. If on the other hand, we get face. If on the other hand, we get face. If on the other hand, we get honest about the way the engine of honest about the way the engine of honest about the way the engine of prosperity works. We go point at the prosperity works. We go point at the prosperity works. We go point at the actual nuts and bolts, like the the real actual nuts and bolts, like the the real actual nuts and bolts, like the the real this is the exact thing that's wrong this is the exact thing that's wrong this is the exact thing that's wrong with the carburetor, and if you adjust with the carburetor, and if you adjust with the carburetor, and if you adjust it in this way, it will start working it in this way, it will start working it in this way, it will start working again. If we do that, then we've got a again. If we do that, then we've got a again. If we do that, then we've got a chance of getting on the other side of chance of getting on the other side of chance of getting on the other side of this. But lies and emotional appeals, I this. But lies and emotional appeals, I this. But lies and emotional appeals, I I will not tolerate them. I will not I will not tolerate them. I will not I will not tolerate them. I will not stand for it. They also talked into that stand for it. They also talked into that stand for it. They also talked into that interview about how they need different interview about how they need different interview about how they need different names for things because they think as names for things because they think as names for things because they think as soon as you say socialism, people are soon as you say socialism, people are soon as you say socialism, people are getting like triggered and they're going getting like triggered and they're going getting like triggered and they're going back. back. back. >> As soon as you say socialism, people >> As soon as you say socialism, people >> As soon as you say socialism, people realize what you're actually about. realize what you're actually about. realize what you're actually about. That's 100% true. If Ted Bundy starts That's 100% true. If Ted Bundy starts That's 100% true. If Ted Bundy starts renaming rape uh or murder, it's still renaming rape uh or murder, it's still renaming rape uh or murder, it's still the [ __ ] thing that we absolutely the [ __ ] thing that we absolutely the [ __ ] thing that we absolutely despise. And so just because people now despise. And so just because people now despise. And so just because people now know rape and murder is terrible. know rape and murder is terrible. know rape and murder is terrible. >> If you're still going to penetrate >> If you're still going to penetrate >> If you're still going to penetrate somebody against their will, somebody against their will, somebody against their will, >> I don't care what the [ __ ] you call it, >> I don't care what the [ __ ] you call it, >> I don't care what the [ __ ] you call it, uh rape by any other name is just as uh rape by any other name is just as uh rape by any other name is just as evil in the same way that a rose by any evil in the same way that a rose by any evil in the same way that a rose by any other name is just as sweet. So the other name is just as sweet. So the other name is just as sweet. So the absurdity of that is [ __ ] sinister. absurdity of that is [ __ ] sinister. absurdity of that is [ __ ] sinister. Like that is somebody trying to Like that is somebody trying to Like that is somebody trying to obfuscate. They're on to us. They obfuscate. They're on to us. They obfuscate. They're on to us. They understand this is bad and I'm not going understand this is bad and I'm not going understand this is bad and I'm not going to be able to pull a fast one on them. to be able to pull a fast one on them. to be able to pull a fast one on them. So, I need to rebrand it. [ __ ] you. So, I need to rebrand it. [ __ ] you. So, I need to rebrand it. [ __ ] you. >> Yeah. But I also think that nuance >> Yeah. But I also think that nuance >> Yeah. But I also think that nuance doesn't exist and chat's going to call doesn't exist and chat's going to call doesn't exist and chat's going to call me a communist and that's cool. But I me a communist and that's cool. But I me a communist and that's cool. But I also think that there is a spectrum to also think that there is a spectrum to also think that there is a spectrum to this and we have to stop acting like we this and we have to stop acting like we this and we have to stop acting like we live in a totally capitalistic free live in a totally capitalistic free live in a totally capitalistic free market society in America right now. We market society in America right now. We market society in America right now. We live we live in capitalism light. live we live in capitalism light. live we live in capitalism light. >> And I think that the move now is now >> And I think that the move now is now >> And I think that the move now is now zero capitalism as in like zero sugar uh zero capitalism as in like zero sugar uh zero capitalism as in like zero sugar uh Coca-Cola, not like zero capitalism, you Coca-Cola, not like zero capitalism, you Coca-Cola, not like zero capitalism, you I think we're on that spectrum of like I think we're on that spectrum of like I think we're on that spectrum of like classic capitalism, diet capitalism, classic capitalism, diet capitalism, classic capitalism, diet capitalism, zero capitalism, then we're starting to zero capitalism, then we're starting to zero capitalism, then we're starting to get to socialist, and then we're get to socialist, and then we're get to socialist, and then we're starting to get to these other like starting to get to these other like starting to get to these other like entities. And while him saying entities. And while him saying entities. And while him saying specifically the library is a democratic specifically the library is a democratic specifically the library is a democratic socialist principle, I get everything socialist principle, I get everything socialist principle, I get everything you're saying that monologue is you're saying that monologue is you're saying that monologue is wellmaintained. The DSA is crazy. Like I wellmaintained. The DSA is crazy. Like I wellmaintained. The DSA is crazy. Like I said in the past, I have went down that said in the past, I have went down that said in the past, I have went down that rabbit hole. I agree. No push back. rabbit hole. I agree. No push back. rabbit hole. I agree. No push back. However, I don't want to lose a forest However, I don't want to lose a forest However, I don't want to lose a forest for the trees and to say that there are for the trees and to say that there are for the trees and to say that there are social programs that can be implemented social programs that can be implemented social programs that can be implemented today that can help workers directly. today that can help workers directly. today that can help workers directly. there are social programs that can help there are social programs that can help there are social programs that can help people. So aggressive agreement. people. So aggressive agreement. people. So aggressive agreement. >> A lot of times when we just play the he >> A lot of times when we just play the he >> A lot of times when we just play the he said this socialism, we're just painting said this socialism, we're just painting said this socialism, we're just painting it with a broad brush and we're lo we're it with a broad brush and we're lo we're it with a broad brush and we're lo we're using we're losing excuse me the nuance using we're losing excuse me the nuance using we're losing excuse me the nuance of the things that can be beneficial. I of the things that can be beneficial. I of the things that can be beneficial. I don't want to say that the DSA did this don't want to say that the DSA did this don't want to say that the DSA did this beneficial thing, but I also don't want beneficial thing, but I also don't want beneficial thing, but I also don't want to say that to say that to say that >> keep beating this drum here. Here is >> keep beating this drum here. Here is >> keep beating this drum here. Here is what's happening. what's happening. what's happening. >> Let's say that um a woman just got >> Let's say that um a woman just got >> Let's say that um a woman just got abused. Mhm. abused. Mhm. abused. Mhm. >> You and I both agree that woman needs to >> You and I both agree that woman needs to >> You and I both agree that woman needs to get help and we need to do anything we get help and we need to do anything we get help and we need to do anything we can um whether we know her or not to can um whether we know her or not to can um whether we know her or not to help facilitate her getting help. help facilitate her getting help. help facilitate her getting help. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> But I'm not going to send her to Ted >> But I'm not going to send her to Ted >> But I'm not going to send her to Ted Bundy's uh clinic for women. The the Bundy's uh clinic for women. The the Bundy's uh clinic for women. The the absurdity of that, I don't care what he absurdity of that, I don't care what he absurdity of that, I don't care what he calls it. Um it it is he has said what calls it. Um it it is he has said what calls it. Um it it is he has said what his principles are his principles are his principles are >> and he has said um we're going to >> and he has said um we're going to >> and he has said um we're going to further traumatize the woman as soon as further traumatize the woman as soon as further traumatize the woman as soon as she gets here. So I'm I'm guys how are I she gets here. So I'm I'm guys how are I she gets here. So I'm I'm guys how are I read the brochure. Sure the brochure read the brochure. Sure the brochure read the brochure. Sure the brochure says nice things says nice things says nice things >> but their charter says what they're >> but their charter says what they're >> but their charter says what they're actually about. And so the charter and actually about. And so the charter and actually about. And so the charter and the marketing message are very the marketing message are very the marketing message are very different. you can go right now and find different. you can go right now and find different. you can go right now and find DSA members who actually say we're going DSA members who actually say we're going DSA members who actually say we're going to um have one real policy and then to um have one real policy and then to um have one real policy and then we're going to tell our candidates to we're going to tell our candidates to we're going to tell our candidates to say something else. They they say that say something else. They they say that say something else. They they say that >> so we know it's happening. We know it's >> so we know it's happening. We know it's >> so we know it's happening. We know it's part of their policy. Um you can read part of their policy. Um you can read part of their policy. Um you can read they put out their new policy. It is it they put out their new policy. It is it they put out their new policy. It is it is basically uh I haven't done the go is basically uh I haven't done the go is basically uh I haven't done the go through yet but we'll probably end up through yet but we'll probably end up through yet but we'll probably end up covering this but somebody's done a one covering this but somebody's done a one covering this but somebody's done a one for one read with mouse policies and the for one read with mouse policies and the for one read with mouse policies and the DSA policies and they're like these are DSA policies and they're like these are DSA policies and they're like these are basically the same thing using different basically the same thing using different basically the same thing using different words. Um, so I would not at all be words. Um, so I would not at all be words. Um, so I would not at all be surprised because everything that I've surprised because everything that I've surprised because everything that I've read about the DSA tells me that that is read about the DSA tells me that that is read about the DSA tells me that that is true. Um, hearing Hassan, who's like true. Um, hearing Hassan, who's like true. Um, hearing Hassan, who's like their biggest mouthpiece, and they have their biggest mouthpiece, and they have their biggest mouthpiece, and they have defended him time and time again. Um, he defended him time and time again. Um, he defended him time and time again. Um, he has said before on camera, I I pulled it has said before on camera, I I pulled it has said before on camera, I I pulled it a couple weeks ago, but we didn't get to a couple weeks ago, but we didn't get to a couple weeks ago, but we didn't get to it. Um, he said on camera that Mao is it. Um, he said on camera that Mao is it. Um, he said on camera that Mao is one of the greatest leaders in history. one of the greatest leaders in history. one of the greatest leaders in history. Bro, that's so crazy. So, um, we like Bro, that's so crazy. So, um, we like Bro, that's so crazy. So, um, we like think about how the immune system think about how the immune system think about how the immune system reacted to reacted to reacted to the way that, um, Kanye was talking the way that, um, Kanye was talking the way that, um, Kanye was talking about Hitler. about Hitler. about Hitler. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Good. That's that's a good >> Yeah. Good. That's that's a good >> Yeah. Good. That's that's a good reaction. But we don't have anything reaction. But we don't have anything reaction. But we don't have anything like that for Hassan or anybody else like that for Hassan or anybody else like that for Hassan or anybody else going to bat for mouse. It's the going to bat for mouse. It's the going to bat for mouse. It's the craziest [ __ ] ever. So, anyway, no craziest [ __ ] ever. So, anyway, no craziest [ __ ] ever. So, anyway, no matter what words I use, uh, it doesn't matter what words I use, uh, it doesn't matter what words I use, uh, it doesn't matter. We both agree that woman needs matter. We both agree that woman needs matter. We both agree that woman needs help. So, we need to go, okay, what does help. So, we need to go, okay, what does help. So, we need to go, okay, what does a woman who's been traumatized actually a woman who's been traumatized actually a woman who's been traumatized actually need? Not it. This is not a choice need? Not it. This is not a choice need? Not it. This is not a choice between No Help or Ted Bundy. This is a between No Help or Ted Bundy. This is a between No Help or Ted Bundy. This is a question of we can just rule Ted Bundy question of we can just rule Ted Bundy question of we can just rule Ted Bundy out. That's that's that's anti- what we out. That's that's that's anti- what we out. That's that's that's anti- what we need to do. So now just forget about need to do. So now just forget about need to do. So now just forget about that. That that's not going to happen. that. That that's not going to happen. that. That that's not going to happen. That's worse. That's uh infinite trauma. That's worse. That's uh infinite trauma. That's worse. That's uh infinite trauma. That is uh murder. That's literally. So That is uh murder. That's literally. So That is uh murder. That's literally. So set that all aside. Now look at okay, set that all aside. Now look at okay, set that all aside. Now look at okay, what are we actually going to do? What what are we actually going to do? What what are we actually going to do? What is actually going to help somebody? And is actually going to help somebody? And is actually going to help somebody? And that game needs to be engaged with. It's that game needs to be engaged with. It's that game needs to be engaged with. It's precisely why the show exists. I talk precisely why the show exists. I talk precisely why the show exists. I talk about this endlessly about this endlessly about this endlessly uh in terms of what we need to do to uh in terms of what we need to do to uh in terms of what we need to do to actually help workers, but I would just actually help workers, but I would just actually help workers, but I would just like to remind America, the DSA hates like to remind America, the DSA hates like to remind America, the DSA hates workers. The DSA hates the working workers. The DSA hates the working workers. The DSA hates the working class. Facts. I'll show it over and over class. Facts. I'll show it over and over class. Facts. I'll show it over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and over. Uh but that's just a factual over. Uh but that's just a factual over. Uh but that's just a factual statement. Now, they're going to say the statement. Now, they're going to say the statement. Now, they're going to say the opposite, but just like Ted Bundy hates opposite, but just like Ted Bundy hates opposite, but just like Ted Bundy hates women, no matter what he tells you, the women, no matter what he tells you, the women, no matter what he tells you, the DSA hates workers. Um, we have some DSA hates workers. Um, we have some DSA hates workers. Um, we have some supers. supers. supers. >> Yes, we do. Big Digglers says, "One, >> Yes, we do. Big Digglers says, "One, >> Yes, we do. Big Digglers says, "One, ground troops or ground bots. I hear ground troops or ground bots. I hear ground troops or ground bots. I hear demis demis demis are improving. Maybe we just send in the are improving. Maybe we just send in the are improving. Maybe we just send in the sex bots. Two, dumping USS's. Tom, be sex bots. Two, dumping USS's. Tom, be sex bots. Two, dumping USS's. Tom, be sure you're not citing MTM losses as sure you're not citing MTM losses as sure you're not citing MTM losses as scale sales. This is one of the most scale sales. This is one of the most scale sales. This is one of the most common ways to ID idiots in the space." common ways to ID idiots in the space." common ways to ID idiots in the space." Um, I'm going off of sales if you're Um, I'm going off of sales if you're Um, I'm going off of sales if you're talking about China. Uh, so yes, if talking about China. Uh, so yes, if talking about China. Uh, so yes, if you're saying I'm not even sure what you're saying I'm not even sure what you're saying I'm not even sure what you're saying. If you're saying you're saying. If you're saying you're saying. If you're saying benchmarked against gold or something benchmarked against gold or something benchmarked against gold or something like that where it's losing value and so like that where it's losing value and so like that where it's losing value and so it looks like total value held or wealth it looks like total value held or wealth it looks like total value held or wealth held in it as compared to gold or held in it as compared to gold or held in it as compared to gold or something else is going down. Uh, I something else is going down. Uh, I something else is going down. Uh, I don't believe that chart makes that don't believe that chart makes that don't believe that chart makes that mistake. Uh, if it does, great catch. mistake. Uh, if it does, great catch. mistake. Uh, if it does, great catch. Um, I'll certainly look at that, but I Um, I'll certainly look at that, but I Um, I'll certainly look at that, but I don't think so. Um, so great point. don't think so. Um, so great point. don't think so. Um, so great point. Don't think I'm succumbing to that, but Don't think I'm succumbing to that, but Don't think I'm succumbing to that, but I will certainly double check. Uh, and I will certainly double check. Uh, and I will certainly double check. Uh, and then there was another part to that that then there was another part to that that then there was another part to that that I wanted to get to. I wanted to get to. I wanted to get to. >> Part two. It was the >> Part two. It was the >> Part two. It was the >> sex. >> sex. >> sex. >> Yeah, sex bots or he hears Dems's AIS >> Yeah, sex bots or he hears Dems's AIS >> Yeah, sex bots or he hears Dems's AIS are improving. are improving. are improving. >> Yes. So, war will be increasingly done >> Yes. So, war will be increasingly done >> Yes. So, war will be increasingly done with AI, but eventually you either have with AI, but eventually you either have with AI, but eventually you either have to break human bones or things that to break human bones or things that to break human bones or things that humans care about. So, it will be less humans care about. So, it will be less humans care about. So, it will be less sort of front-end casualties, but sort of front-end casualties, but sort of front-end casualties, but there's still I mean, just look at how there's still I mean, just look at how there's still I mean, just look at how much life is being lost in um Ukraine much life is being lost in um Ukraine much life is being lost in um Ukraine and Russia. It's like you still end up and Russia. It's like you still end up and Russia. It's like you still end up hurting humans. So, it'll be good that hurting humans. So, it'll be good that hurting humans. So, it'll be good that some level of this will be done with AI some level of this will be done with AI some level of this will be done with AI and trust me, they are deploying AI and and trust me, they are deploying AI and and trust me, they are deploying AI and weapon systems as fast as they can. Uh weapon systems as fast as they can. Uh weapon systems as fast as they can. Uh but eventually, if no human is getting but eventually, if no human is getting but eventually, if no human is getting hurt, nobody cares. Behavior doesn't hurt, nobody cares. Behavior doesn't hurt, nobody cares. Behavior doesn't change. You don't get what you want. So change. You don't get what you want. So change. You don't get what you want. So um unfortunately people are still going um unfortunately people are still going um unfortunately people are still going to keep dying even when it's AI. to keep dying even when it's AI. to keep dying even when it's AI. >> Sequoia Hall says the Lincoln Douglas >> Sequoia Hall says the Lincoln Douglas >> Sequoia Hall says the Lincoln Douglas debate format is a competitive speaking debate format is a competitive speaking debate format is a competitive speaking event that focuses on morality, ethics, event that focuses on morality, ethics, event that focuses on morality, ethics, and philosophical values. It consists of and philosophical values. It consists of and philosophical values. It consists of specific time limits for constructive specific time limits for constructive specific time limits for constructive speeches, cross-examinations, and speeches, cross-examinations, and speeches, cross-examinations, and rebuttals. rebuttals. rebuttals. >> Yes. So uh anybody that's done high >> Yes. So uh anybody that's done high >> Yes. So uh anybody that's done high school or college debate knows that um school or college debate knows that um school or college debate knows that um formats help keep the debates sane. Uh formats help keep the debates sane. Uh formats help keep the debates sane. Uh the whole debate me bro scene is very the whole debate me bro scene is very the whole debate me bro scene is very much not that. this is just two people much not that. this is just two people much not that. this is just two people going at each other. It feels much more going at each other. It feels much more going at each other. It feels much more like a blood sport. It's kind of more like a blood sport. It's kind of more like a blood sport. It's kind of more interesting to watch if I'm completely interesting to watch if I'm completely interesting to watch if I'm completely honest. It can sometimes be a little honest. It can sometimes be a little honest. It can sometimes be a little maddening. Um but yeah, I think maddening. Um but yeah, I think maddening. Um but yeah, I think professional debates will probably professional debates will probably professional debates will probably always play out that way. But I think so always play out that way. But I think so always play out that way. But I think so if you think of like the Oxford debates, if you think of like the Oxford debates, if you think of like the Oxford debates, those have rules and you know, those have rules and you know, those have rules and you know, procedures that have to be abided by. Uh procedures that have to be abided by. Uh procedures that have to be abided by. Uh I think those will become much less I think those will become much less I think those will become much less popular and they're all going to get popular and they're all going to get popular and they're all going to get supplanted by the blood sport of it all supplanted by the blood sport of it all supplanted by the blood sport of it all just because it's more entertaining. Um, just because it's more entertaining. Um, just because it's more entertaining. Um, Sequoia, you will understand why I'm Sequoia, you will understand why I'm Sequoia, you will understand why I'm about to say this, and it doesn't matter about to say this, and it doesn't matter about to say this, and it doesn't matter that nobody else will. I'm sending you that nobody else will. I'm sending you that nobody else will. I'm sending you love, brother. I'm sending you love, love, brother. I'm sending you love, love, brother. I'm sending you love, man. You know precisely why. So, um, man. You know precisely why. So, um, man. You know precisely why. So, um, hope everything's okay. Love you. Um, so hope everything's okay. Love you. Um, so hope everything's okay. Love you. Um, so yeah, dig it. There we go. Tab 4697 yeah, dig it. There we go. Tab 4697 yeah, dig it. There we go. Tab 4697 says, "On Monday, you stated Tyler says, "On Monday, you stated Tyler says, "On Monday, you stated Tyler should get the death penalty. the Navy should get the death penalty. the Navy should get the death penalty. the Navy Seal that killed Osama bin Laden Seal that killed Osama bin Laden Seal that killed Osama bin Laden recently stated in an interview that the recently stated in an interview that the recently stated in an interview that the premise surrounding the case does not premise surrounding the case does not premise surrounding the case does not point to Tyler Robinson, but another point to Tyler Robinson, but another point to Tyler Robinson, but another evil force. evil force. evil force. Um, so I would never want to see somebody be so I would never want to see somebody be executed for something they didn't do. executed for something they didn't do. executed for something they didn't do. So this no one should take my opinion. So this no one should take my opinion. So this no one should take my opinion. Um, so yeah, like if we're saying I even Um, so yeah, like if we're saying I even Um, so yeah, like if we're saying I even I don't think someone should just go Tom I don't think someone should just go Tom I don't think someone should just go Tom believes it and therefore we should go believes it and therefore we should go believes it and therefore we should go act on this. this guy needs to get his act on this. this guy needs to get his act on this. this guy needs to get his day in court. I'm just saying um one, I day in court. I'm just saying um one, I day in court. I'm just saying um one, I actually don't remember saying that he actually don't remember saying that he actually don't remember saying that he should [snorts] be put to death. I don't should [snorts] be put to death. I don't should [snorts] be put to death. I don't have super strong feelings about the have super strong feelings about the have super strong feelings about the death penalty. Uh if he gets put to death penalty. Uh if he gets put to death penalty. Uh if he gets put to death, cool. I'm here for it. If he's death, cool. I'm here for it. If he's death, cool. I'm here for it. If he's guilty, obviously. Um so yeah, I don't guilty, obviously. Um so yeah, I don't guilty, obviously. Um so yeah, I don't consider myself like a table thumping uh consider myself like a table thumping uh consider myself like a table thumping uh person on that stuff. But yeah, I right person on that stuff. But yeah, I right person on that stuff. But yeah, I right now with the facts that I have seen, I now with the facts that I have seen, I now with the facts that I have seen, I think he's guilty as the day is long and think he's guilty as the day is long and think he's guilty as the day is long and should get whatever punishment the court should get whatever punishment the court should get whatever punishment the court system decides to give him as long as it system decides to give him as long as it system decides to give him as long as it is aggressive. Uh so yeah, but if it is is aggressive. Uh so yeah, but if it is is aggressive. Uh so yeah, but if it is some other evil force, great. Then other some other evil force, great. Then other some other evil force, great. Then other evil force needs to be the thing held evil force needs to be the thing held evil force needs to be the thing held accountable. accountable. accountable. Luke Adam Miller says Tom Vincent Bo uh Luke Adam Miller says Tom Vincent Bo uh Luke Adam Miller says Tom Vincent Bo uh Bokenfuso apologies I've mispronounced Bokenfuso apologies I've mispronounced Bokenfuso apologies I've mispronounced Substack article the diagnosis comes Substack article the diagnosis comes Substack article the diagnosis comes before the prescription analyzes Nate before the prescription analyzes Nate before the prescription analyzes Nate Silver's recent DSA conting uh Silver's recent DSA conting uh Silver's recent DSA conting uh constituency data suggesting a constituency data suggesting a constituency data suggesting a constituency of overproduced elites I constituency of overproduced elites I constituency of overproduced elites I loved your take on Monday loved your take on Monday loved your take on Monday >> the DSA is overproduced elites the great >> the DSA is overproduced elites the great >> the DSA is overproduced elites the great irony of part of why Markx ended up irony of part of why Markx ended up irony of part of why Markx ended up being wrong was that workers don't end being wrong was that workers don't end being wrong was that workers don't end up revoling. You always have to get an up revoling. You always have to get an up revoling. You always have to get an idol elite to do the thing. It's just idol elite to do the thing. It's just idol elite to do the thing. It's just it's one of those things that plays out. it's one of those things that plays out. it's one of those things that plays out. Part of the reason that communism in the Part of the reason that communism in the Part of the reason that communism in the 20th century wave failed was no matter 20th century wave failed was no matter 20th century wave failed was no matter how many times they said to the workers, how many times they said to the workers, how many times they said to the workers, "Come on, like unite." They didn't. And "Come on, like unite." They didn't. And "Come on, like unite." They didn't. And a big part of the reason is life got a big part of the reason is life got a big part of the reason is life got worse for them very fast. So even if in worse for them very fast. So even if in worse for them very fast. So even if in the beginning you say, "Uh, the reason the beginning you say, "Uh, the reason the beginning you say, "Uh, the reason the workers don't do it is they're just the workers don't do it is they're just the workers don't do it is they're just too busy. They're being taken advantage too busy. They're being taken advantage too busy. They're being taken advantage of. They can't do it." So we elites must of. They can't do it." So we elites must of. They can't do it." So we elites must do it on their behalf. Then the workers do it on their behalf. Then the workers do it on their behalf. Then the workers very quickly, and this is why I say mom very quickly, and this is why I say mom very quickly, and this is why I say mom Donnie hates, the workers Donnie hates, the workers Donnie hates, the workers very quickly, the workers' lives get very quickly, the workers' lives get very quickly, the workers' lives get made worse the fastest. So um yeah, like made worse the fastest. So um yeah, like made worse the fastest. So um yeah, like this is not going to play out well for this is not going to play out well for this is not going to play out well for them. So to build a mental model of them. So to build a mental model of them. So to build a mental model of what's happening right now in America, what's happening right now in America, what's happening right now in America, you must understand the overprouction of you must understand the overprouction of you must understand the overprouction of elites. And owe the great irony that elites. And owe the great irony that elites. And owe the great irony that this goes back largely to our prosperity this goes back largely to our prosperity this goes back largely to our prosperity engine making it such that the engine making it such that the engine making it such that the government could guarantee loans for government could guarantee loans for government could guarantee loans for anybody to go study any dumbass thing in anybody to go study any dumbass thing in anybody to go study any dumbass thing in college. And so and then you put them college. And so and then you put them college. And so and then you put them into a left uh leaning ideological meat into a left uh leaning ideological meat into a left uh leaning ideological meat grinder that takes otherwise potentially grinder that takes otherwise potentially grinder that takes otherwise potentially sensible people and makes them Marxist. sensible people and makes them Marxist. sensible people and makes them Marxist. Uh it's so everpresent that they don't Uh it's so everpresent that they don't Uh it's so everpresent that they don't even have a way to step outside of that even have a way to step outside of that even have a way to step outside of that worldview. That's the problem. And so worldview. That's the problem. And so worldview. That's the problem. And so now they're so trapped in left ideology now they're so trapped in left ideology now they're so trapped in left ideology and they just see it as but this is the and they just see it as but this is the and they just see it as but this is the world. This is the way that it works. world. This is the way that it works. world. This is the way that it works. Every one of their teachers from every Every one of their teachers from every Every one of their teachers from every angle was reinforcing uh that world angle was reinforcing uh that world angle was reinforcing uh that world view. Even if they were giving different view. Even if they were giving different view. Even if they were giving different facts, it's just the same world view facts, it's just the same world view facts, it's just the same world view over and over and over. So then they over and over and over. So then they over and over and over. So then they come out and they are not as um they're come out and they are not as um they're come out and they are not as um they're not making as much money as they not making as much money as they not making as much money as they expected to be. They're not taken as expected to be. They're not taken as expected to be. They're not taken as seriously as they expected to be. And seriously as they expected to be. And seriously as they expected to be. And they've been taught that they're a they've been taught that they're a they've been taught that they're a victim because they're forced into the victim because they're forced into the victim because they're forced into the oppressed and oppressor narrative. So oppressed and oppressor narrative. So oppressed and oppressor narrative. So now the mere fact that they're not able now the mere fact that they're not able now the mere fact that they're not able to get the job that they were promised to get the job that they were promised to get the job that they were promised is proof that they're a victim and there is proof that they're a victim and there is proof that they're a victim and there is something wrong and therefore we must is something wrong and therefore we must is something wrong and therefore we must bring the revolutionary energy to it. bring the revolutionary energy to it. bring the revolutionary energy to it. And oh the great irony that all a And oh the great irony that all a And oh the great irony that all a revolution looks like is neverending revolution looks like is neverending revolution looks like is neverending revolution. Remember what ended the revolution. Remember what ended the revolution. Remember what ended the French Revolution. Bit of history French Revolution. Bit of history French Revolution. Bit of history lesson. Everybody at home say it with me lesson. Everybody at home say it with me lesson. Everybody at home say it with me now. A psychotic dictator named Napoleon now. A psychotic dictator named Napoleon now. A psychotic dictator named Napoleon who goes and says oh you guys aren't who goes and says oh you guys aren't who goes and says oh you guys aren't going to stop killing so I've got to going to stop killing so I've got to going to stop killing so I've got to point you at killing people that's going point you at killing people that's going point you at killing people that's going to be good for us. And they go and kill to be good for us. And they go and kill to be good for us. And they go and kill what, two or three million people all what, two or three million people all what, two or three million people all across Europe, stealing their [ __ ] And across Europe, stealing their [ __ ] And across Europe, stealing their [ __ ] And guess who became the [ __ ] oppressors? guess who became the [ __ ] oppressors? guess who became the [ __ ] oppressors? Napoleon, man. Who took these uh Robes Napoleon, man. Who took these uh Robes Napoleon, man. Who took these uh Robes Pierre [ __ ] and said, "All Pierre [ __ ] and said, "All Pierre [ __ ] and said, "All right, you guys want to kill people? You right, you guys want to kill people? You right, you guys want to kill people? You guys have the taste for blood. Let's go. guys have the taste for blood. Let's go. guys have the taste for blood. Let's go. We're we're going to go sweep across We're we're going to go sweep across We're we're going to go sweep across Europe. These guys have all done bad Europe. These guys have all done bad Europe. These guys have all done bad [ __ ] Let's just take their stuff." [ __ ] Let's just take their stuff." [ __ ] Let's just take their stuff." Dude, that's so wild. So yeah, the fact Dude, that's so wild. So yeah, the fact Dude, that's so wild. So yeah, the fact that people cannot see the lessons that that people cannot see the lessons that that people cannot see the lessons that are screaming out from history to be are screaming out from history to be are screaming out from history to be listened to. Um, that's what's going to listened to. Um, that's what's going to listened to. Um, that's what's going to happen. You get the whole purity test happen. You get the whole purity test happen. You get the whole purity test cycle running and now it's like they cycle running and now it's like they cycle running and now it's like they start eating their own. It's going to be start eating their own. It's going to be start eating their own. It's going to be hilarious to watch the DSA people begin hilarious to watch the DSA people begin hilarious to watch the DSA people begin to attack each other. I didn't pull it, to attack each other. I didn't pull it, to attack each other. I didn't pull it, but there is a recent DSA thing where but there is a recent DSA thing where but there is a recent DSA thing where you had a bunch of people say that the you had a bunch of people say that the you had a bunch of people say that the DSA DSA DSA is suffering from too much whiteness. is suffering from too much whiteness. is suffering from too much whiteness. Let's go. So, uh, yeah, they're going to Let's go. So, uh, yeah, they're going to Let's go. So, uh, yeah, they're going to turn on themselves. turn on themselves. turn on themselves. >> That's that's that's a fractal. It's >> That's that's that's a fractal. It's >> That's that's that's a fractal. It's cool. It is hilarious. So, good luck. cool. It is hilarious. So, good luck. cool. It is hilarious. So, good luck. Yeah. Anyway, you have to understand Yeah. Anyway, you have to understand Yeah. Anyway, you have to understand overproduction of elites. overproduction of elites. overproduction of elites. >> Big Diggers on this last super chat. Big >> Big Diggers on this last super chat. Big >> Big Diggers on this last super chat. Big Digglers says, "Countries have the Digglers says, "Countries have the Digglers says, "Countries have the strongest of motivations to be koi about strongest of motivations to be koi about strongest of motivations to be koi about their gold holdings without looking like their gold holdings without looking like their gold holdings without looking like they're being koi. Probability of they're being koi. Probability of they're being koi. Probability of deception is high. I think maybe US has deception is high. I think maybe US has deception is high. I think maybe US has more gold than people think or not. Hard more gold than people think or not. Hard more gold than people think or not. Hard to see. to see. to see. >> Man, do I hope that we secretly have way >> Man, do I hope that we secretly have way >> Man, do I hope that we secretly have way more than we're letting on. You're more than we're letting on. You're more than we're letting on. You're absolutely right that people have uh a absolutely right that people have uh a absolutely right that people have uh a reason to be deceptive. Nobody wants reason to be deceptive. Nobody wants reason to be deceptive. Nobody wants anybody to know what their actual level anybody to know what their actual level anybody to know what their actual level of strength is. Um, so yeah, I'm sure of strength is. Um, so yeah, I'm sure of strength is. Um, so yeah, I'm sure that's going to continue for a long time that's going to continue for a long time that's going to continue for a long time or their weakness for that matter, which or their weakness for that matter, which or their weakness for that matter, which I think unfortunately my paranoia leads I think unfortunately my paranoia leads I think unfortunately my paranoia leads me to believe given the rate at which me to believe given the rate at which me to believe given the rate at which the US was export selling gold and the US was export selling gold and the US was export selling gold and exporting it effectively to China was exporting it effectively to China was exporting it effectively to China was the biggest buyer by a long shot. Um, I the biggest buyer by a long shot. Um, I the biggest buyer by a long shot. Um, I doubt that we have more than we're doubt that we have more than we're doubt that we have more than we're expecting. I do think though that we expecting. I do think though that we expecting. I do think though that we have dramatically undervalued our gold. have dramatically undervalued our gold. have dramatically undervalued our gold. But again, to value it at the right But again, to value it at the right But again, to value it at the right number, uh, would be inflationary. So, number, uh, would be inflationary. So, number, uh, would be inflationary. So, take that for what it's worth. All take that for what it's worth. All take that for what it's worth. All right. Thank you guys for the super right. Thank you guys for the super right. Thank you guys for the super chats. You guys are amazing. The support chats. You guys are amazing. The support chats. You guys are amazing. The support is really, really felt, really is really, really felt, really is really, really felt, really appreciated. Speaking of people that appreciated. Speaking of people that appreciated. 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"No, no, no. We're actually eating them. "No, no, no. We're actually eating them. Let people see that we're eating this Let people see that we're eating this Let people see that we're eating this stuff." stuff." stuff." >> But it's bad that we don't have full >> But it's bad that we don't have full >> But it's bad that we don't have full samples, but it's good cuz there's samples, but it's good cuz there's samples, but it's good cuz there's nothing worse than somebody's trying to nothing worse than somebody's trying to nothing worse than somebody's trying to like pitch something and they haven't like pitch something and they haven't like pitch something and they haven't used it. used it. used it. >> Yeah. Yeah. So true. Uh, and speaking of >> Yeah. Yeah. So true. Uh, and speaking of >> Yeah. Yeah. So true. Uh, and speaking of uh people that we're grateful for, Felix uh people that we're grateful for, Felix uh people that we're grateful for, Felix and Friends, who was who we were and Friends, who was who we were and Friends, who was who we were reacting to today, uh, he runs the Goat reacting to today, uh, he runs the Goat reacting to today, uh, he runs the Goat Academy. Check those guys out. I'm very Academy. Check those guys out. I'm very Academy. Check those guys out. I'm very grateful. I don't have any relationship grateful. I don't have any relationship grateful. I don't have any relationship with him. I've never talked to him ever with him. I've never talked to him ever with him. I've never talked to him ever in my life. Uh, so Felix, if you happen in my life. Uh, so Felix, if you happen in my life. 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