John Fetterman: 'I'm the Only Democrat in Congress Saying This'

John Federman, thank you for joining us John Federman, thank you for joining us here on the All-In podcast for this here on the All-In podcast for this here on the All-In podcast for this All-In interview. Very excited to have All-In interview. Very excited to have All-In interview. Very excited to have you here today. I know you're in the you here today. I know you're in the you here today. I know you're in the middle of voting today. Sounds like the middle of voting today. Sounds like the middle of voting today. Sounds like the Save America Act might be starting its Save America Act might be starting its Save America Act might be starting its debate on the floor. Is that correct? debate on the floor. Is that correct? debate on the floor. Is that correct? >> I don't know. Like what what I've heard >> I don't know. Like what what I've heard >> I don't know. Like what what I've heard recently that they don't have the votes, recently that they don't have the votes, recently that they don't have the votes, but we will find. But I I don't have any but we will find. But I I don't have any but we will find. But I I don't have any special insight. I mean, it's it's going special insight. I mean, it's it's going special insight. I mean, it's it's going to be very close. I don't think it would to be very close. I don't think it would to be very close. I don't think it would if they do hit it, I don't see it more if they do hit it, I don't see it more if they do hit it, I don't see it more beyond 51, but I I'm not I'm not really beyond 51, but I I'm not I'm not really beyond 51, but I I'm not I'm not really sure. It's a shame that they didn't make sure. It's a shame that they didn't make sure. It's a shame that they didn't make it more about just ID to vote. They they it more about just ID to vote. They they it more about just ID to vote. They they turned it into other things that they turned it into other things that they turned it into other things that they turned it into kind of a Christmas tree turned it into kind of a Christmas tree turned it into kind of a Christmas tree and they're hanging all these things on and they're hanging all these things on and they're hanging all these things on it. But no, that's that's where we are. it. But no, that's that's where we are. it. But no, that's that's where we are. But we'll know uh and having someone But we'll know uh and having someone But we'll know uh and having someone follow that too. I just he's going to follow that too. I just he's going to follow that too. I just he's going to let me know in fact cuz I'm really let me know in fact cuz I'm really let me know in fact cuz I'm really interested to see how it goes because if interested to see how it goes because if interested to see how it goes because if they do then that's going to turn into a they do then that's going to turn into a they do then that's going to turn into a really uh a spectacle about what a a really uh a spectacle about what a a really uh a spectacle about what a a talking filibuster is. talking filibuster is. talking filibuster is. >> Yeah. Well, let's see what happens. I >> Yeah. Well, let's see what happens. I >> Yeah. Well, let's see what happens. I mean, it's a pretty mean, it's a pretty mean, it's a pretty >> dramatic week ahead. Let me just start I >> dramatic week ahead. Let me just start I >> dramatic week ahead. Let me just start I want to zoom out a little bit and talk want to zoom out a little bit and talk want to zoom out a little bit and talk about how you make policy decisions. And about how you make policy decisions. And about how you make policy decisions. And I want to just start with party. You ran I want to just start with party. You ran I want to just start with party. You ran as a progressive in 2016, lost. You beat as a progressive in 2016, lost. You beat as a progressive in 2016, lost. You beat Dr. draws in 22 and now you have a 72% Dr. draws in 22 and now you have a 72% Dr. draws in 22 and now you have a 72% approval rating from Pennsylvania approval rating from Pennsylvania approval rating from Pennsylvania Republicans and only 22% from Democrats. Republicans and only 22% from Democrats. Republicans and only 22% from Democrats. Are you a Republican or are you a Are you a Republican or are you a Are you a Republican or are you a Democrat uh senator? And kind of what's Democrat uh senator? And kind of what's Democrat uh senator? And kind of what's the way that you think about your party the way that you think about your party the way that you think about your party affiliation? Well, I actually I think affiliation? Well, I actually I think affiliation? Well, I actually I think the the more realistic the the realistic the the more realistic the the realistic the the more realistic the the realistic numbers was like earlier in the morning numbers was like earlier in the morning numbers was like earlier in the morning console and that put me at basically console and that put me at basically console and that put me at basically 50/50 with Dems and I was I was in the 50/50 with Dems and I was I was in the 50/50 with Dems and I was I was in the the 60s for with Republicans without a the 60s for with Republicans without a the 60s for with Republicans without a doubt without a doubt that that I am doubt without a doubt that that I am doubt without a doubt that that I am more popular with with Republicans and I more popular with with Republicans and I more popular with with Republicans and I I'm mystified by that. I mean I'm I'm mystified by that. I mean I'm I'm mystified by that. I mean I'm honored to to have support from any honored to to have support from any honored to to have support from any Pennian. But what I will say that um you Pennian. But what I will say that um you Pennian. But what I will say that um you know I've just going to follow what I know I've just going to follow what I know I've just going to follow what I think is the moral clarity and now in my think is the moral clarity and now in my think is the moral clarity and now in my very first race back in 2015 over a very first race back in 2015 over a very first race back in 2015 over a decade ago uh what used to be a decade ago uh what used to be a decade ago uh what used to be a progressive is definitely not what a progressive is definitely not what a progressive is definitely not what a progressive started to turn into and progressive started to turn into and progressive started to turn into and what it be became. And and even in my my what it be became. And and even in my my what it be became. And and even in my my race in 2122 I was announcing I am no race in 2122 I was announcing I am no race in 2122 I was announcing I am no longer I I'm just a Democrat. I'm not a longer I I'm just a Democrat. I'm not a longer I I'm just a Democrat. I'm not a progressive. And now there's been that progressive. And now there's been that progressive. And now there's been that evolution away from like those core evolution away from like those core evolution away from like those core principles that really weren't weren't principles that really weren't weren't principles that really weren't weren't controversial. And and now I've isolated controversial. And and now I've isolated controversial. And and now I've isolated myself by following and standing and myself by following and standing and myself by following and standing and proud to be un unapologetically proud to be un unapologetically proud to be un unapologetically supporting Israel. And now if you've supporting Israel. And now if you've supporting Israel. And now if you've seen that that poll came out yesterday seen that that poll came out yesterday seen that that poll came out yesterday that the standing and the Democratic that the standing and the Democratic that the standing and the Democratic party continues to deteriorate. I've put party continues to deteriorate. I've put party continues to deteriorate. I've put that out on my social media and I said I that out on my social media and I said I that out on my social media and I said I don't follow I don't care about the don't follow I don't care about the don't follow I don't care about the polls. You know, there's a moral clarity polls. You know, there's a moral clarity polls. You know, there's a moral clarity here and that should be where the rest here and that should be where the rest here and that should be where the rest of us should should be. Uh and now it's of us should should be. Uh and now it's of us should should be. Uh and now it's been really easy for me to to lean in on been really easy for me to to lean in on been really easy for me to to lean in on it. And that I created the only Democrat it. And that I created the only Democrat it. And that I created the only Democrat that's very supportive about Epic Fury. that's very supportive about Epic Fury. that's very supportive about Epic Fury. And I'm also the only Democrat that And I'm also the only Democrat that And I'm also the only Democrat that refuses to shut down the Department of refuses to shut down the Department of refuses to shut down the Department of Homeland Security. Yes, as a Democrat, Homeland Security. Yes, as a Democrat, Homeland Security. Yes, as a Democrat, we'd like to make some some reforms on we'd like to make some some reforms on we'd like to make some some reforms on ICE, but what I'm unwilling to do is ICE, but what I'm unwilling to do is ICE, but what I'm unwilling to do is shut it down. And after that horrific shut it down. And after that horrific shut it down. And after that horrific that attack in Michigan where where he that attack in Michigan where where he that attack in Michigan where where he was looking to kill 150 toddlers, you was looking to kill 150 toddlers, you was looking to kill 150 toddlers, you know, and now there's more and more know, and now there's more and more know, and now there's more and more kinds of these these events. Why would kinds of these these events. Why would kinds of these these events. Why would you vote to shut our government down? you vote to shut our government down? you vote to shut our government down? And the cyber security agency, you know, And the cyber security agency, you know, And the cyber security agency, you know, that must be incredible for the Chinese that must be incredible for the Chinese that must be incredible for the Chinese and the Iranians that that we've shut and the Iranians that that we've shut and the Iranians that that we've shut that uh government down. So that's that, that uh government down. So that's that, that uh government down. So that's that, you know, I my core values haven't you know, I my core values haven't you know, I my core values haven't changed. If anything's changed, that's changed. If anything's changed, that's changed. If anything's changed, that's been kind of the core what what's been kind of the core what what's been kind of the core what what's required to be a Democrat. and I'm going required to be a Democrat. and I'm going required to be a Democrat. and I'm going to follow what I think is true. What is to follow what I think is true. What is to follow what I think is true. What is the country over party? Whether that's the country over party? Whether that's the country over party? Whether that's the right side of history. the right side of history. the right side of history. >> What do you think the Democratic Party >> What do you think the Democratic Party >> What do you think the Democratic Party used to stand for? What does it stand used to stand for? What does it stand used to stand for? What does it stand for today? And what do you think it for today? And what do you think it for today? And what do you think it should stand for? should stand for? should stand for? >> I I I honestly I I I don't know. But >> I I I honestly I I I don't know. But >> I I I honestly I I I don't know. But what I will say, as I would refer to to what I will say, as I would refer to to what I will say, as I would refer to to your listeners, is like your listeners, is like your listeners, is like listen to what the people that are listen to what the people that are listen to what the people that are running for the Senate as Democrats. running for the Senate as Democrats. running for the Senate as Democrats. watch what they're saying and doing. And watch what they're saying and doing. And watch what they're saying and doing. And that's becoming more and more that's becoming more and more that's becoming more and more anti-Israel, anti-Israel, anti-Israel, uh, openingly hostile to to Israel. And uh, openingly hostile to to Israel. And uh, openingly hostile to to Israel. And now, uh, that becomes part of the lit now, uh, that becomes part of the lit now, uh, that becomes part of the lit litmus purity test to I'm not going to litmus purity test to I'm not going to litmus purity test to I'm not going to take any of their money. Uh, I'm going take any of their money. Uh, I'm going take any of their money. Uh, I'm going to denounce to denounce to denounce that. And I was the only Democrat. that. And I was the only Democrat. that. And I was the only Democrat. That's absolutely Netanyahu just done That's absolutely Netanyahu just done That's absolutely Netanyahu just done the right thing to to break the that the right thing to to break the that the right thing to to break the that access access access uh there Hezbollah and Hamas and now uh there Hezbollah and Hamas and now uh there Hezbollah and Hamas and now attacking also Houthus as well. So I attacking also Houthus as well. So I attacking also Houthus as well. So I mean so do you know where what Democrats mean so do you know where what Democrats mean so do you know where what Democrats stand for? see who's running for the stand for? see who's running for the stand for? see who's running for the Senate. And now Planter look the the Senate. And now Planter look the the Senate. And now Planter look the the Nazi tattoo guy uh you know on top of Nazi tattoo guy uh you know on top of Nazi tattoo guy uh you know on top of being a an avowed communist and now said being a an avowed communist and now said being a an avowed communist and now said incredibly offensive things about women incredibly offensive things about women incredibly offensive things about women and sexual assault um and now refers to and sexual assault um and now refers to and sexual assault um and now refers to rural people is stupid and racist and rural people is stupid and racist and rural people is stupid and racist and know so and now is that what Democrats know so and now is that what Democrats know so and now is that what Democrats want? I guess we'll see that. But, you want? I guess we'll see that. But, you want? I guess we'll see that. But, you know, you see in all these different know, you see in all these different know, you see in all these different things also in Michigan, too. A guy that things also in Michigan, too. A guy that things also in Michigan, too. A guy that really, as far I know, has refused to really, as far I know, has refused to really, as far I know, has refused to condemn Hamas. And he led the, you know, condemn Hamas. And he led the, you know, condemn Hamas. And he led the, you know, no uh the the no uh what was the no no uh the the no uh what was the no no uh the the no uh what was the no committed. It's like, forget what that committed. It's like, forget what that committed. It's like, forget what that that stupid thing was called, but it was that stupid thing was called, but it was that stupid thing was called, but it was like you, you know, no vote, no vote for like you, you know, no vote, no vote for like you, you know, no vote, no vote for uncommitted. Uncommitt. Yeah. uncommitted. Uncommitt. Yeah. uncommitted. Uncommitt. Yeah. Uncommitted. But, you know, we're not Uncommitted. But, you know, we're not Uncommitted. But, you know, we're not going to vote for Camala Harris. and and going to vote for Camala Harris. and and going to vote for Camala Harris. and and now they helped deliver um Trump for now they helped deliver um Trump for now they helped deliver um Trump for Michigan. So that's like look who's Michigan. So that's like look who's Michigan. So that's like look who's running and look who's being running and look who's being running and look who's being competitive. So that that's you want to competitive. So that that's you want to competitive. So that that's you want to know where Democrats are, look in those know where Democrats are, look in those know where Democrats are, look in those kinds of races. kinds of races. kinds of races. >> You know, it's interesting. We used to >> You know, it's interesting. We used to >> You know, it's interesting. We used to have the ability to agree on some things have the ability to agree on some things have the ability to agree on some things and disagree on other things. It seems and disagree on other things. It seems and disagree on other things. It seems nowadays whatever the other side is nowadays whatever the other side is nowadays whatever the other side is doing or saying, you have to take the doing or saying, you have to take the doing or saying, you have to take the opposing view. And in many cases, it opposing view. And in many cases, it opposing view. And in many cases, it seems like that might force folks to seems like that might force folks to seems like that might force folks to kind of contort into these weird kind of contort into these weird kind of contort into these weird positions that don't even make logical positions that don't even make logical positions that don't even make logical sense. Why did we get to this point? sense. Why did we get to this point? sense. Why did we get to this point? What happened that everything had to be What happened that everything had to be What happened that everything had to be polar? There was never the ability for polar? There was never the ability for polar? There was never the ability for us to there's no longer the ability for us to there's no longer the ability for us to there's no longer the ability for us to agree on some things while us to agree on some things while us to agree on some things while disagreeing on other things. What caused disagreeing on other things. What caused disagreeing on other things. What caused this change in this country? And can we this change in this country? And can we this change in this country? And can we get back from it? get back from it? get back from it? >> I I don't know. Like part of my party's >> I I don't know. Like part of my party's >> I I don't know. Like part of my party's become so inflexible. what what I've become so inflexible. what what I've become so inflexible. what what I've discovered that, you know, you are not discovered that, you know, you are not discovered that, you know, you are not allowed to be a proud unapologetic allowed to be a proud unapologetic allowed to be a proud unapologetic standing uh with Israel, but it's it's standing uh with Israel, but it's it's standing uh with Israel, but it's it's okay. Uh it's not a big deal if you have okay. Uh it's not a big deal if you have okay. Uh it's not a big deal if you have a Nazi tattoo on your chest and you have a Nazi tattoo on your chest and you have a Nazi tattoo on your chest and you have people and now in my party now who are people and now in my party now who are people and now in my party now who are trying to normalize that or to excuse trying to normalize that or to excuse trying to normalize that or to excuse that. I mean, like it's that that's that. I mean, like it's that that's that. I mean, like it's that that's that's that's kind of where we are. And that's that's kind of where we are. And that's that's kind of where we are. And and now I know what's toxic as a and now I know what's toxic as a and now I know what's toxic as a Democrat to disagree with, but for me Democrat to disagree with, but for me Democrat to disagree with, but for me those are, I think, our core values. You those are, I think, our core values. You those are, I think, our core values. You know, the kinds of values in Israel know, the kinds of values in Israel know, the kinds of values in Israel kinds of the core value that we've kinds of the core value that we've kinds of the core value that we've always used to say, never ever shut our always used to say, never ever shut our always used to say, never ever shut our government down. That's always wrong. government down. That's always wrong. government down. That's always wrong. You're going to punish uh union members. You're going to punish uh union members. You're going to punish uh union members. You're going to punish, you know, You're going to punish, you know, You're going to punish, you know, everyday Americans. Now, here we're everyday Americans. Now, here we're everyday Americans. Now, here we're doing those same things. Uh, and now I doing those same things. Uh, and now I doing those same things. Uh, and now I think our border for example, I think think our border for example, I think think our border for example, I think secure our border, deport all the secure our border, deport all the secure our border, deport all the criminals, but now never ever have the criminals, but now never ever have the criminals, but now never ever have the kind of tragedies like we had in kind of tragedies like we had in kind of tragedies like we had in Minneapolis. That's not what anyone Minneapolis. That's not what anyone Minneapolis. That's not what anyone really voted for any of them supports. really voted for any of them supports. really voted for any of them supports. So, you know, if I'm more popular with So, you know, if I'm more popular with So, you know, if I'm more popular with Republicans, I don't really know. But, Republicans, I don't really know. But, Republicans, I don't really know. But, uh, but I also I treat everyone with uh, but I also I treat everyone with uh, but I also I treat everyone with respect and I don't refer to Republicans respect and I don't refer to Republicans respect and I don't refer to Republicans or members of MAGA. They're not Nazis. or members of MAGA. They're not Nazis. or members of MAGA. They're not Nazis. They're not fascists. They're not trying They're not fascists. They're not trying They're not fascists. They're not trying to destroy our country. Uh, no. I know to destroy our country. Uh, no. I know to destroy our country. Uh, no. I know and I love many, many people that that and I love many, many people that that and I love many, many people that that voted for or support uh, President voted for or support uh, President voted for or support uh, President Trump. I'm going to treat anybody with Trump. I'm going to treat anybody with Trump. I'm going to treat anybody with respect. I don't attack me members of respect. I don't attack me members of respect. I don't attack me members of their families. I don't use and and their families. I don't use and and their families. I don't use and and those kinds of attacks. We have to find those kinds of attacks. We have to find those kinds of attacks. We have to find a better way forward and and that's what a better way forward and and that's what a better way forward and and that's what I've been maintaining. I've been maintaining. I've been maintaining. >> Who do you think leads the Democratic >> Who do you think leads the Democratic >> Who do you think leads the Democratic party today? party today? party today? Oh, we don't we don't have one. I I I Oh, we don't we don't have one. I I I Oh, we don't we don't have one. I I I think I think the the TDS that I think think I think the the TDS that I think think I think the the TDS that I think that's the leader right now. You know, that's the leader right now. You know, that's the leader right now. You know, right now our our party is is governed right now our our party is is governed right now our our party is is governed by the TDS. And now it's made it by the TDS. And now it's made it by the TDS. And now it's made it virtually impossible without being virtually impossible without being virtually impossible without being punished as a Democrat to agree punished as a Democrat to agree punished as a Democrat to agree something's good or I agree with the something's good or I agree with the something's good or I agree with the other side. And I I would define that by other side. And I I would define that by other side. And I I would define that by epic fury. I am the literally the only epic fury. I am the literally the only epic fury. I am the literally the only Democrat in America uh in Congress that Democrat in America uh in Congress that Democrat in America uh in Congress that I've come across that's saying I think I've come across that's saying I think I've come across that's saying I think it's a great thing to break and destroy it's a great thing to break and destroy it's a great thing to break and destroy the Iranian regime. I think it's the Iranian regime. I think it's the Iranian regime. I think it's entirely appropriate to hold them entirely appropriate to hold them entirely appropriate to hold them accountable. And what's strange to me accountable. And what's strange to me accountable. And what's strange to me that every single Democrat that's run that every single Democrat that's run that every single Democrat that's run for president uh and anyone that I know for president uh and anyone that I know for president uh and anyone that I know in Congress says we must never allow in Congress says we must never allow in Congress says we must never allow them to acquire a nuclear bomb. When them to acquire a nuclear bomb. When them to acquire a nuclear bomb. When that happens, why not celebrate that or that happens, why not celebrate that or that happens, why not celebrate that or acknowledge that? I have only witnessed acknowledge that? I have only witnessed acknowledge that? I have only witnessed just criticism and this kinds of uh this just criticism and this kinds of uh this just criticism and this kinds of uh this kinds of attack like yeah you don't have kinds of attack like yeah you don't have kinds of attack like yeah you don't have to agree on every single thing but when to agree on every single thing but when to agree on every single thing but when a good thing happens just because it a good thing happens just because it a good thing happens just because it comes from the different party um that comes from the different party um that comes from the different party um that that tells me that you're choosing the that tells me that you're choosing the that tells me that you're choosing the demand of the the base or the party over demand of the the base or the party over demand of the the base or the party over country or what what's really I think country or what what's really I think country or what what's really I think appropriate in that circumstances. Now I appropriate in that circumstances. Now I appropriate in that circumstances. Now I I would say now you know to any country I would say now you know to any country I would say now you know to any country any country do you consume oil? Yes of any country do you consume oil? Yes of any country do you consume oil? Yes of course we do. Well then that makes it course we do. Well then that makes it course we do. Well then that makes it your problem too. That makes you part of your problem too. That makes you part of your problem too. That makes you part of your responsibility. I don't know why your responsibility. I don't know why your responsibility. I don't know why you know like Israel and and our nation you know like Israel and and our nation you know like Israel and and our nation did the heavy leaving excuse me uh the did the heavy leaving excuse me uh the did the heavy leaving excuse me uh the the heavy uh the heavy work to to to the heavy uh the heavy work to to to the heavy uh the heavy work to to to destroy the Iranian military apparatus. destroy the Iranian military apparatus. destroy the Iranian military apparatus. you know, now why not? Wouldn't you not, you know, now why not? Wouldn't you not, you know, now why not? Wouldn't you not, you know, help us to reopen uh the you know, help us to reopen uh the you know, help us to reopen uh the straits because you consume oil. You all straits because you consume oil. You all straits because you consume oil. You all could be could be could be the ability uh to why not participate the ability uh to why not participate the ability uh to why not participate that that's that's strange to me. Uh so that that's that's strange to me. Uh so that that's that's strange to me. Uh so I think everyone why can't you get I think everyone why can't you get I think everyone why can't you get behind the only ones that aren't are behind the only ones that aren't are behind the only ones that aren't are China and Russia. Those are the same China and Russia. Those are the same China and Russia. Those are the same kinds of especially in Europe, you know kinds of especially in Europe, you know kinds of especially in Europe, you know what they're doing to Ukraine for over what they're doing to Ukraine for over what they're doing to Ukraine for over four years and we all know what the four years and we all know what the four years and we all know what the goals of China is as well. So to say goals of China is as well. So to say goals of China is as well. So to say it's not our war, it's like yeah well it's not our war, it's like yeah well it's not our war, it's like yeah well it's our cause and if you consume oil it's our cause and if you consume oil it's our cause and if you consume oil and you all do, you know, that and you all do, you know, that and you all do, you know, that effectively makes us all part of this effectively makes us all part of this effectively makes us all part of this responsibility, responsibility, responsibility, >> right? Do you think uh there's a clear >> right? Do you think uh there's a clear >> right? Do you think uh there's a clear path to getting out of Iran for the path to getting out of Iran for the path to getting out of Iran for the United States at this stage? How do you United States at this stage? How do you United States at this stage? How do you view this exit happening? It seems like view this exit happening? It seems like view this exit happening? It seems like the president to some degree is the president to some degree is the president to some degree is declaring victory, but on the other declaring victory, but on the other declaring victory, but on the other hand, there seems to be continued hand, there seems to be continued hand, there seems to be continued activity and and push forward here. activity and and push forward here. activity and and push forward here. What's our exit path? What's our exit path? What's our exit path? >> I I I don't know. But what I will say, >> I I I don't know. But what I will say, >> I I I don't know. But what I will say, what's undeniably been happen now? Uh what's undeniably been happen now? Uh what's undeniably been happen now? Uh first, why aren't all of the media first, why aren't all of the media first, why aren't all of the media outlets demanding proof of life for from outlets demanding proof of life for from outlets demanding proof of life for from the Ayatollah? the Ayatollah? the Ayatollah? You know, ever since that first strike You know, ever since that first strike You know, ever since that first strike back in last month, not a peep, not a back in last month, not a peep, not a back in last month, not a peep, not a peep out of him. I mean, the the peep out of him. I mean, the the peep out of him. I mean, the the Iranians are doing kind of like weakened Iranians are doing kind of like weakened Iranians are doing kind of like weakened at Italas, at Italas, at Italas, you know, like they're just trying to you know, like they're just trying to you know, like they're just trying to pretend this guy is functional in any in pretend this guy is functional in any in pretend this guy is functional in any in any way. And you know just today today any way. And you know just today today any way. And you know just today today you know they just they just eliminated you know they just they just eliminated you know they just they just eliminated you know who was effectively the the de you know who was effectively the the de you know who was effectively the the de facto leader you know I think that's facto leader you know I think that's facto leader you know I think that's fantastic. Keep doing it for that. So fantastic. Keep doing it for that. So fantastic. Keep doing it for that. So and without a doubt they have no and without a doubt they have no and without a doubt they have no capabilities at this point otherwise capabilities at this point otherwise capabilities at this point otherwise than to to fire off a a drone at than to to fire off a a drone at than to to fire off a a drone at civilians at civilians. The Iranians civilians at civilians. The Iranians civilians at civilians. The Iranians have never done anything other than just have never done anything other than just have never done anything other than just attacking civilians. Abs. Absolutely. attacking civilians. Abs. Absolutely. attacking civilians. Abs. Absolutely. That's a fact. You know, they can't That's a fact. You know, they can't That's a fact. You know, they can't engage in traditional kinds of of engage in traditional kinds of of engage in traditional kinds of of combat. So those cowards, what they do combat. So those cowards, what they do combat. So those cowards, what they do is fire drones to create chaos. You is fire drones to create chaos. You is fire drones to create chaos. You know, they've been effectively neutered know, they've been effectively neutered know, they've been effectively neutered and that's a wonderful thing. And that's and that's a wonderful thing. And that's and that's a wonderful thing. And that's also effectively broken the the proxies also effectively broken the the proxies also effectively broken the the proxies and that's also made the world and that's also made the world and that's also made the world undeniably more secure. So, and this is undeniably more secure. So, and this is undeniably more secure. So, and this is not this is not an uh I mean this war is not this is not an uh I mean this war is not this is not an uh I mean this war is only three weeks into it. This whatever only three weeks into it. This whatever only three weeks into it. This whatever you want to call it, whatever the you want to call it, whatever the you want to call it, whatever the semantics, it's three weeks. This is not semantics, it's three weeks. This is not semantics, it's three weeks. This is not like a Ukraine in war, you know, this is like a Ukraine in war, you know, this is like a Ukraine in war, you know, this is three weeks. It it's not, you know, neat three weeks. It it's not, you know, neat three weeks. It it's not, you know, neat and it's not absolutely quick to to and it's not absolutely quick to to and it's not absolutely quick to to demand the entire Iranian apparatus for demand the entire Iranian apparatus for demand the entire Iranian apparatus for the thing. holding them accountable is the thing. holding them accountable is the thing. holding them accountable is entirely appropriate. And every single entirely appropriate. And every single entirely appropriate. And every single president since the last 40ome years president since the last 40ome years president since the last 40ome years wanted to do something about Iran. wanted to do something about Iran. wanted to do something about Iran. Finally, that's happened. It's a good Finally, that's happened. It's a good Finally, that's happened. It's a good thing. And now thing. And now thing. And now >> to your point about the strait and uh >> to your point about the strait and uh >> to your point about the strait and uh America looking for assistance to America looking for assistance to America looking for assistance to support the activities uh the the support the activities uh the the support the activities uh the the commercial oil activities through the commercial oil activities through the commercial oil activities through the strait, NATO allies have largely said strait, NATO allies have largely said strait, NATO allies have largely said no. Do you think that we're looking at no. Do you think that we're looking at no. Do you think that we're looking at the end of the NATO alliance? What does the end of the NATO alliance? What does the end of the NATO alliance? What does this speak to for the future of both this speak to for the future of both this speak to for the future of both America's leadership with the in the America's leadership with the in the America's leadership with the in the West and this alliance that has kind of West and this alliance that has kind of West and this alliance that has kind of created a great power center that's created a great power center that's created a great power center that's created balance in the world? I mean, is created balance in the world? I mean, is created balance in the world? I mean, is NATO at risk? I'm proud to be an NATO at risk? I'm proud to be an NATO at risk? I'm proud to be an American and and I believe, you know, we American and and I believe, you know, we American and and I believe, you know, we are a force of good in the world and I are a force of good in the world and I are a force of good in the world and I don't truly don't understand why they don't truly don't understand why they don't truly don't understand why they don't want to join us to to reopen the don't want to join us to to reopen the don't want to join us to to reopen the straits. But if you consume oil, that straits. But if you consume oil, that straits. But if you consume oil, that makes it part of your your problem and makes it part of your your problem and makes it part of your your problem and that makes you a part of your that makes you a part of your that makes you a part of your responsibility to join us. So we've done responsibility to join us. So we've done responsibility to join us. So we've done the hard work at this point and the the hard work at this point and the the hard work at this point and the horror of 107 was borne by the Israelis horror of 107 was borne by the Israelis horror of 107 was borne by the Israelis too. Now they've done the appropriate too. Now they've done the appropriate too. Now they've done the appropriate thing to to destroy the proxies and to thing to to destroy the proxies and to thing to to destroy the proxies and to hold them fully accountable and why the hold them fully accountable and why the hold them fully accountable and why the world can't rally around this to just do world can't rally around this to just do world can't rally around this to just do that. Now I do believe we will be that. Now I do believe we will be that. Now I do believe we will be successful with or without their help successful with or without their help successful with or without their help but remind people it's been 3 weeks and but remind people it's been 3 weeks and but remind people it's been 3 weeks and now for a nation that's 90 million that now for a nation that's 90 million that now for a nation that's 90 million that used to be this fearsome force of used to be this fearsome force of used to be this fearsome force of military in the entire region just been military in the entire region just been military in the entire region just been pulverized into irrelevance other than pulverized into irrelevance other than pulverized into irrelevance other than just creating kinds of chaos firing a just creating kinds of chaos firing a just creating kinds of chaos firing a drone there and now they can't they drone there and now they can't they drone there and now they can't they can't even in fight with with honor you can't even in fight with with honor you can't even in fight with with honor you know they they attack civilians they've know they they attack civilians they've know they they attack civilians they've massacred their own, you know, there massacred their own, you know, there massacred their own, you know, there there would be more uprising because there would be more uprising because there would be more uprising because they're terrified because they've had to they're terrified because they've had to they're terrified because they've had to witness as they've killed up to 35,000 witness as they've killed up to 35,000 witness as they've killed up to 35,000 of them uh last time. So, they've been of them uh last time. So, they've been of them uh last time. So, they've been held accountable held accountable held accountable as an American, hold them accountable as an American, hold them accountable as an American, hold them accountable and that's a good thing. and that's a good thing. and that's a good thing. >> Yeah. I think the question a lot of >> Yeah. I think the question a lot of >> Yeah. I think the question a lot of people are asking again is what does people are asking again is what does people are asking again is what does success look like? What's it defined as? success look like? What's it defined as? success look like? What's it defined as? How do we get out of this? And when do How do we get out of this? And when do How do we get out of this? And when do we walk away? And that uncertainty, I we walk away? And that uncertainty, I we walk away? And that uncertainty, I think, is what has a lot of folks think, is what has a lot of folks think, is what has a lot of folks saying, I don't know if this is going to saying, I don't know if this is going to saying, I don't know if this is going to become another Iraq war or Afghanistan become another Iraq war or Afghanistan become another Iraq war or Afghanistan type situation. That's what makes folks type situation. That's what makes folks type situation. That's what makes folks absolutely absurd. This is not a nation absolutely absurd. This is not a nation absolutely absurd. This is not a nation building thing. This is a destroying a building thing. This is a destroying a building thing. This is a destroying a terrible regime. Disarmament. terrible regime. Disarmament. terrible regime. Disarmament. Disarmament. You know, like if you live Disarmament. You know, like if you live Disarmament. You know, like if you live in Europe, remember what you Yeah. Like in Europe, remember what you Yeah. Like in Europe, remember what you Yeah. Like if you would have disarmed the the if you would have disarmed the the if you would have disarmed the the German Nazi re regime before it it German Nazi re regime before it it German Nazi re regime before it it really started. I mean like have you really started. I mean like have you really started. I mean like have you forgot the lessons of history when you forgot the lessons of history when you forgot the lessons of history when you have a regime that is committed to have a regime that is committed to have a regime that is committed to destroying you know the nations in the destroying you know the nations in the destroying you know the nations in the region and now like why is it wrong to region and now like why is it wrong to region and now like why is it wrong to hold them accountable? And now hold them accountable? And now hold them accountable? And now >> critics >> critics >> critics >> critics critics are attacking well it >> critics critics are attacking well it >> critics critics are attacking well it costs us a billion dollars. It's like costs us a billion dollars. It's like costs us a billion dollars. It's like well you know not stopping Iran would be well you know not stopping Iran would be well you know not stopping Iran would be a hell of a lot more expensive in lives a hell of a lot more expensive in lives a hell of a lot more expensive in lives and economic impact. Uh so that's that's and economic impact. Uh so that's that's and economic impact. Uh so that's that's the thing you know clearly if you even the thing you know clearly if you even the thing you know clearly if you even consider of the lessons from history of consider of the lessons from history of consider of the lessons from history of disarming a dangerous toxic regime the disarming a dangerous toxic regime the disarming a dangerous toxic regime the way they've done that. Why can't you be way they've done that. Why can't you be way they've done that. Why can't you be open to really participate but at least open to really participate but at least open to really participate but at least not just acknowledge that the world's not just acknowledge that the world's not just acknowledge that the world's made safer as a result? made safer as a result? made safer as a result? >> There's a lot of criticism from both >> There's a lot of criticism from both >> There's a lot of criticism from both sides of the aisle that perhaps the sides of the aisle that perhaps the sides of the aisle that perhaps the United States, President Trump were United States, President Trump were United States, President Trump were unduly influenced by Netanyahu and by unduly influenced by Netanyahu and by unduly influenced by Netanyahu and by the Israeli lobbyists in the United the Israeli lobbyists in the United the Israeli lobbyists in the United States. You know, maybe you can address States. You know, maybe you can address States. You know, maybe you can address that point. You've taken money from that point. You've taken money from that point. You've taken money from Apac. I know that you've kind of been Apac. I know that you've kind of been Apac. I know that you've kind of been that's been brought up before, but how that's been brought up before, but how that's been brought up before, but how do you react to the argument that many do you react to the argument that many do you react to the argument that many are making that Israel has undue are making that Israel has undue are making that Israel has undue influence on our politics and our um our influence on our politics and our um our influence on our politics and our um our kind of uh global actions? kind of uh global actions? kind of uh global actions? >> Well, that that plays into the to the >> Well, that that plays into the to the >> Well, that that plays into the to the anti-semitism and the tropes and it's anti-semitism and the tropes and it's anti-semitism and the tropes and it's like pulling all the strings and they're like pulling all the strings and they're like pulling all the strings and they're behind. It's just that's just part of behind. It's just that's just part of behind. It's just that's just part of the grow. It's become more and more the grow. It's become more and more the grow. It's become more and more acceptable as a Democrat to say these acceptable as a Democrat to say these acceptable as a Democrat to say these things, you know, and it's like like things, you know, and it's like like things, you know, and it's like like Tucker Carlson and and Fuentes and these Tucker Carlson and and Fuentes and these Tucker Carlson and and Fuentes and these these people, you know, like no one these people, you know, like no one these people, you know, like no one claims them. No one claims them, you claims them. No one claims them, you claims them. No one claims them, you know. I promise you, no one at least I know. I promise you, no one at least I know. I promise you, no one at least I sit around wondering what those are the sit around wondering what those are the sit around wondering what those are the kind of vids and their opinions on kind of vids and their opinions on kind of vids and their opinions on Israel or anything at that point. Same Israel or anything at that point. Same Israel or anything at that point. Same parts of my party as well too. Now, if parts of my party as well too. Now, if parts of my party as well too. Now, if you if you want to normalize that a Nazi you if you want to normalize that a Nazi you if you want to normalize that a Nazi tattoo is kind of like a one-off, it's tattoo is kind of like a one-off, it's tattoo is kind of like a one-off, it's no not a big deal. Or if you think no not a big deal. Or if you think no not a big deal. Or if you think Israel engaged in a genocide, you know, Israel engaged in a genocide, you know, Israel engaged in a genocide, you know, that how ignorant that is to the that how ignorant that is to the that how ignorant that is to the actually what defines a genocide is is actually what defines a genocide is is actually what defines a genocide is is um the exact opposite. They were in a um the exact opposite. They were in a um the exact opposite. They were in a just war, you know, and I remember where just war, you know, and I remember where just war, you know, and I remember where it started and remember what Hamas it started and remember what Hamas it started and remember what Hamas continued to do. send everybody home and continued to do. send everybody home and continued to do. send everybody home and there they would be the end of this. So, there they would be the end of this. So, there they would be the end of this. So, so that's that's part of this and now so that's that's part of this and now so that's that's part of this and now how anti-semitism out of control out of how anti-semitism out of control out of how anti-semitism out of control out of control, you know, on our college control, you know, on our college control, you know, on our college campuses and as well in in the world, campuses and as well in in the world, campuses and as well in in the world, even in S San Jose, you know, a a a Jew even in S San Jose, you know, a a a Jew even in S San Jose, you know, a a a Jew was beaten just having dinner. You know, was beaten just having dinner. You know, was beaten just having dinner. You know, you have people driving crashing into you have people driving crashing into you have people driving crashing into synagogue kind of like tree of life. But synagogue kind of like tree of life. But synagogue kind of like tree of life. But thankfully he was immediately killed by thankfully he was immediately killed by thankfully he was immediately killed by the security. They had security because the security. They had security because the security. They had security because they had to provide those because they they had to provide those because they they had to provide those because they knew that's always an everpresent kinds knew that's always an everpresent kinds knew that's always an everpresent kinds of risk there. Thank God. Thank God what of risk there. Thank God. Thank God what of risk there. Thank God. Thank God what that could have made uh possible without that could have made uh possible without that could have made uh possible without them. So that's that's where we are. And them. So that's that's where we are. And them. So that's that's where we are. And I don't listen to parts of whether it's I don't listen to parts of whether it's I don't listen to parts of whether it's my party or the extreme. And they're my party or the extreme. And they're my party or the extreme. And they're right. You know, I never turn to someone right. You know, I never turn to someone right. You know, I never turn to someone like Tucker Carlson for wisdom or their like Tucker Carlson for wisdom or their like Tucker Carlson for wisdom or their views on on this or anything, you know, views on on this or anything, you know, views on on this or anything, you know, honestly. honestly. honestly. >> Well, so let's talk about another >> Well, so let's talk about another >> Well, so let's talk about another controversial topic which we just hit on controversial topic which we just hit on controversial topic which we just hit on for a moment at the start of the show, for a moment at the start of the show, for a moment at the start of the show, which is the Save Act. 83% of Americans which is the Save Act. 83% of Americans which is the Save Act. 83% of Americans support voter ID for elections. The support voter ID for elections. The support voter ID for elections. The Senate scheduled to take up the Save Act Senate scheduled to take up the Save Act Senate scheduled to take up the Save Act supposedly or potentially this week. Uh supposedly or potentially this week. Uh supposedly or potentially this week. Uh you've said you don't support the Save you've said you don't support the Save you've said you don't support the Save Act in its current form. What do you Act in its current form. What do you Act in its current form. What do you think needs to be changed? Do you think needs to be changed? Do you think needs to be changed? Do you generally agree with the idea of using generally agree with the idea of using generally agree with the idea of using voter ID for elections? voter ID for elections? voter ID for elections? >> Well, the Republicans have never had any >> Well, the Republicans have never had any >> Well, the Republicans have never had any uh outreach or to engage. You know, they uh outreach or to engage. You know, they uh outreach or to engage. You know, they never said, "Hey, how can we rework it?" never said, "Hey, how can we rework it?" never said, "Hey, how can we rework it?" You know, what can we we offer, you You know, what can we we offer, you You know, what can we we offer, you know, and know make it, you know, real know, and know make it, you know, real know, and know make it, you know, real ID real ID to vote. Keep it simple, you ID real ID to vote. Keep it simple, you ID real ID to vote. Keep it simple, you know. So, like, yeah, why not? Why not? know. So, like, yeah, why not? Why not? know. So, like, yeah, why not? Why not? You know, like it's like that that that You know, like it's like that that that You know, like it's like that that that would I I am not outraged by providing would I I am not outraged by providing would I I am not outraged by providing ID to vote. 71% of Democrats are okay ID to vote. 71% of Democrats are okay ID to vote. 71% of Democrats are okay with that. 83 of Americans are okay with with that. 83 of Americans are okay with with that. 83 of Americans are okay with it. Make it that then. Yeah. And I'm I'm it. Make it that then. Yeah. And I'm I'm it. Make it that then. Yeah. And I'm I'm interested to really to have that interested to really to have that interested to really to have that conversation. Another thing that they conversation. Another thing that they conversation. Another thing that they continue to do, they try to smear uh continue to do, they try to smear uh continue to do, they try to smear uh voting uh voting by mail. That's voting uh voting by mail. That's voting uh voting by mail. That's absolutely safe. And the red states in absolutely safe. And the red states in absolutely safe. And the red states in America like Florida, Ohio and others, America like Florida, Ohio and others, America like Florida, Ohio and others, they rely on it. The more rural a state they rely on it. The more rural a state they rely on it. The more rural a state is, the they really use that too. So is, the they really use that too. So is, the they really use that too. So they've made it this uh Christmas uh they've made it this uh Christmas uh they've made it this uh Christmas uh tree of hanging all these these kinds of tree of hanging all these these kinds of tree of hanging all these these kinds of boutique and other issues. Now if you boutique and other issues. Now if you boutique and other issues. Now if you are serious and like hey are serious and like hey are serious and like hey ID to vote, you know, you might bring ID to vote, you know, you might bring ID to vote, you know, you might bring some actual Democrats on that. I'm not, some actual Democrats on that. I'm not, some actual Democrats on that. I'm not, you know, ah, I refuse the kind of you know, ah, I refuse the kind of you know, ah, I refuse the kind of extreme rhetoric about it's not Jim extreme rhetoric about it's not Jim extreme rhetoric about it's not Jim Crow. It is not trying to suppress Crow. It is not trying to suppress Crow. It is not trying to suppress Americans from voting. It's making it Americans from voting. It's making it Americans from voting. It's making it perhaps more secure um and have a perhaps more secure um and have a perhaps more secure um and have a serious conversation. And that's why I, serious conversation. And that's why I, serious conversation. And that's why I, you know, said I'm unwilling uh to you know, said I'm unwilling uh to you know, said I'm unwilling uh to support it in its current current form. support it in its current current form. support it in its current current form. >> And do you think there has been election >> And do you think there has been election >> And do you think there has been election fraud and to what extent? fraud and to what extent? fraud and to what extent? Uh well I mean in my experience as Uh well I mean in my experience as Uh well I mean in my experience as lieutenant governor uh in 2020 there was lieutenant governor uh in 2020 there was lieutenant governor uh in 2020 there was a lot of allegation that there was that a lot of allegation that there was that a lot of allegation that there was that and not one single remind people roughly and not one single remind people roughly and not one single remind people roughly 57 out of Pennsylvania 67 counties are 57 out of Pennsylvania 67 counties are 57 out of Pennsylvania 67 counties are all deep deep red not one single one all deep deep red not one single one all deep deep red not one single one there was no fraud. There was no fraud. there was no fraud. There was no fraud. there was no fraud. There was no fraud. And now they we identified I think And now they we identified I think And now they we identified I think believe it was six six or seven in fact believe it was six six or seven in fact believe it was six six or seven in fact and now coincidentally they all happened and now coincidentally they all happened and now coincidentally they all happened to be Republicans that were voting for to be Republicans that were voting for to be Republicans that were voting for President Trump and mostly they used a President Trump and mostly they used a President Trump and mostly they used a dead relative to try to to to vote that dead relative to try to to to vote that dead relative to try to to to vote that and they were caught. So voter fraud in and they were caught. So voter fraud in and they were caught. So voter fraud in Pennsylvania it is absolutely secure. I Pennsylvania it is absolutely secure. I Pennsylvania it is absolutely secure. I can absolutely you know I've witnessed can absolutely you know I've witnessed can absolutely you know I've witnessed that. And now in Pennsylvania the that. And now in Pennsylvania the that. And now in Pennsylvania the Republicans drove that train of of Republicans drove that train of of Republicans drove that train of of voting by mail. That was their ID. That voting by mail. That was their ID. That voting by mail. That was their ID. That was what they demanded. And in return, was what they demanded. And in return, was what they demanded. And in return, we dropped the straight party voting by we dropped the straight party voting by we dropped the straight party voting by just push a button to vote straight down just push a button to vote straight down just push a button to vote straight down the entire ticket ticket uh voting. And the entire ticket ticket uh voting. And the entire ticket ticket uh voting. And now they had to turn their views because now they had to turn their views because now they had to turn their views because at that time the president decided that at that time the president decided that at that time the president decided that that's a terrible thing. So I mean, you that's a terrible thing. So I mean, you that's a terrible thing. So I mean, you know, two things must be true. It's not know, two things must be true. It's not know, two things must be true. It's not outrageous to show ID to vote, but outrageous to show ID to vote, but outrageous to show ID to vote, but voting by mail is an honorable, safe, voting by mail is an honorable, safe, voting by mail is an honorable, safe, and secure way that Republicans across and secure way that Republicans across and secure way that Republicans across our nation have been doing it and doing our nation have been doing it and doing our nation have been doing it and doing it some in the most secure ways as it some in the most secure ways as it some in the most secure ways as examples. examples. examples. >> Do you think there's non-citizen voting >> Do you think there's non-citizen voting >> Do you think there's non-citizen voting going on? One of the arguments that's going on? One of the arguments that's going on? One of the arguments that's made is that the Democrats opened the made is that the Democrats opened the made is that the Democrats opened the border, brought in a lot of border, brought in a lot of border, brought in a lot of non-citizens, gave them access to vote non-citizens, gave them access to vote non-citizens, gave them access to vote in some way, either mailing ballots in some way, either mailing ballots in some way, either mailing ballots without showing proof of citizenship or without showing proof of citizenship or without showing proof of citizenship or whatnot. And that really boosted whatnot. And that really boosted whatnot. And that really boosted Democrat votes across blue states. Is Democrat votes across blue states. Is Democrat votes across blue states. Is that fair or is that unfounded and just that fair or is that unfounded and just that fair or is that unfounded and just >> that's that's a great that's a great >> that's that's a great that's a great >> that's that's a great that's a great point and I am concerned about that you point and I am concerned about that you point and I am concerned about that you know hey is there an issue? So I just know hey is there an issue? So I just know hey is there an issue? So I just ran this uh that is the heritage the ran this uh that is the heritage the ran this uh that is the heritage the heritage found. Yeah, Heritage Heritage heritage found. Yeah, Heritage Heritage heritage found. Yeah, Heritage Heritage Foundation, you know, they said that at Foundation, you know, they said that at Foundation, you know, they said that at their database between 1999 to 2023, their database between 1999 to 2023, their database between 1999 to 2023, they identified 77 instances of they identified 77 instances of they identified 77 instances of non-citizens voting between 1999 and non-citizens voting between 1999 and non-citizens voting between 1999 and 2023. That's the Heritage Foundation, 2023. That's the Heritage Foundation, 2023. That's the Heritage Foundation, you know, that's the, you know, there. you know, that's the, you know, there. you know, that's the, you know, there. So, so for me, that that would identify So, so for me, that that would identify So, so for me, that that would identify that it doesn't seem that, you know, the that it doesn't seem that, you know, the that it doesn't seem that, you know, the Heritage Heritage Foundation doesn't Heritage Heritage Foundation doesn't Heritage Heritage Foundation doesn't claim that 70 that there's more than 77. claim that 70 that there's more than 77. claim that 70 that there's more than 77. So that's why I'm saying if you're So that's why I'm saying if you're So that's why I'm saying if you're really serious and you want to have really serious and you want to have really serious and you want to have that, let's make it about ID, not all that, let's make it about ID, not all that, let's make it about ID, not all these other kinds of parts that this these other kinds of parts that this these other kinds of parts that this that uh it dilutes the core mission of that uh it dilutes the core mission of that uh it dilutes the core mission of like showing ID or making it more like showing ID or making it more like showing ID or making it more secure. secure. secure. >> So why have Democrats been so opposed >> So why have Democrats been so opposed >> So why have Democrats been so opposed not just to this act but generally to not just to this act but generally to not just to this act but generally to the idea of showing ID for voting? Many the idea of showing ID for voting? Many the idea of showing ID for voting? Many of the interviews and arguments that of the interviews and arguments that of the interviews and arguments that have been made by Democrat politicians have been made by Democrat politicians have been made by Democrat politicians in media have brought in ideas that well in media have brought in ideas that well in media have brought in ideas that well not everyone has access to an idea. not everyone has access to an idea. not everyone has access to an idea. >> I am not one of those Democrat. I am not >> I am not one of those Democrat. I am not >> I am not one of those Democrat. I am not one of those Democrats that they say one of those Democrats that they say one of those Democrats that they say that that's terrible. That's evil. that that's terrible. That's evil. that that's terrible. That's evil. >> Why are they saying that? Because if >> Why are they saying that? Because if >> Why are they saying that? Because if it's such a an obvious common sense uh it's such a an obvious common sense uh it's such a an obvious common sense uh action, 83% of voters support it. Why action, 83% of voters support it. Why action, 83% of voters support it. Why are so many in the party and this is are so many in the party and this is are so many in the party and this is where a lot of people have conspiracy where a lot of people have conspiracy where a lot of people have conspiracy theories that they're using it to theories that they're using it to theories that they're using it to harvest votes and and so on. Why are harvest votes and and so on. Why are harvest votes and and so on. Why are they opposing it? what is actually going they opposing it? what is actually going they opposing it? what is actually going on. on. on. >> I I I I I can't speak for them, but what >> I I I I I can't speak for them, but what >> I I I I I can't speak for them, but what I'm saying is like I refuse to I'll I'm saying is like I refuse to I'll I'm saying is like I refuse to I'll never tell 83% of Americans that it's never tell 83% of Americans that it's never tell 83% of Americans that it's awful and terrible to show ID to vote, awful and terrible to show ID to vote, awful and terrible to show ID to vote, >> you know. Yeah. >> you know. Yeah. >> you know. Yeah. >> And I'm say I've said that publicly >> And I'm say I've said that publicly >> And I'm say I've said that publicly again and again and again. 71% of again and again and again. 71% of again and again and again. 71% of Democrats have no problem with it. And Democrats have no problem with it. And Democrats have no problem with it. And you want to know what really backed that you want to know what really backed that you want to know what really backed that up? Wisconsin. In April of 2025, they up? Wisconsin. In April of 2025, they up? Wisconsin. In April of 2025, they had a ballot initiative to show ID to had a ballot initiative to show ID to had a ballot initiative to show ID to vote that passed nearly 2 to1. They also vote that passed nearly 2 to1. They also vote that passed nearly 2 to1. They also elected one of the most liberal members elected one of the most liberal members elected one of the most liberal members of now the Supreme Court in that same of now the Supreme Court in that same of now the Supreme Court in that same election. It's not controversial to vest election. It's not controversial to vest election. It's not controversial to vest majority of Americans. I'm never going majority of Americans. I'm never going majority of Americans. I'm never going to be in the business to tell 80 some to be in the business to tell 80 some to be in the business to tell 80 some percent of Americans that you're you're percent of Americans that you're you're percent of Americans that you're you're Jim Crow or you're trying to suppress Jim Crow or you're trying to suppress Jim Crow or you're trying to suppress votes. Fair enough. Uh well, let's come votes. Fair enough. Uh well, let's come votes. Fair enough. Uh well, let's come back to the DHS point you made earlier. back to the DHS point you made earlier. back to the DHS point you made earlier. You were one of the uh you were the only You were one of the uh you were the only You were one of the uh you were the only Democrat actually to vote to fund DHS, Democrat actually to vote to fund DHS, Democrat actually to vote to fund DHS, but you did say that agents in Minnesota but you did say that agents in Minnesota but you did say that agents in Minnesota lost the plot. What's your red line on lost the plot. What's your red line on lost the plot. What's your red line on immigration enforcement? So, what should immigration enforcement? So, what should immigration enforcement? So, what should ICE be doing and what should ICE not be ICE be doing and what should ICE not be ICE be doing and what should ICE not be doing? doing? doing? >> There should never be a red line. Never >> There should never be a red line. Never >> There should never be a red line. Never shut the government down. Just don't do shut the government down. Just don't do shut the government down. Just don't do that. We used to be the party that that. We used to be the party that that. We used to be the party that refuse to do those things. We were refuse to do those things. We were refuse to do those things. We were outraged, outraged when Tuberville was outraged, outraged when Tuberville was outraged, outraged when Tuberville was jamming up some of the military uh jamming up some of the military uh jamming up some of the military uh promotions. Freak out. Freak out. you promotions. Freak out. Freak out. you promotions. Freak out. Freak out. you know, but now here we're sh we shut the know, but now here we're sh we shut the know, but now here we're sh we shut the whole damn government down. I was one of whole damn government down. I was one of whole damn government down. I was one of only two Democrats to push back on that only two Democrats to push back on that only two Democrats to push back on that last year and now I'm on the only one. last year and now I'm on the only one. last year and now I'm on the only one. If it's wrong for them, then it should If it's wrong for them, then it should If it's wrong for them, then it should be wrong for us as as well too. be wrong for us as as well too. be wrong for us as as well too. >> But just to focus on ICE, I mean, ICE's >> But just to focus on ICE, I mean, ICE's >> But just to focus on ICE, I mean, ICE's actions in Minnesota, where do you think actions in Minnesota, where do you think actions in Minnesota, where do you think ICE should be doing immigration ICE should be doing immigration ICE should be doing immigration enforcement and how versus what do you enforcement and how versus what do you enforcement and how versus what do you think they shouldn't have been doing? think they shouldn't have been doing? think they shouldn't have been doing? Yeah, I for me, you know, hey, I was I Yeah, I for me, you know, hey, I was I Yeah, I for me, you know, hey, I was I was the Democratic lead on Lake and was the Democratic lead on Lake and was the Democratic lead on Lake and Riley bill because that was a serious Riley bill because that was a serious Riley bill because that was a serious bill. They, you know, Katie Brit called bill. They, you know, Katie Brit called bill. They, you know, Katie Brit called me up and saying, "Hey, what do you me up and saying, "Hey, what do you me up and saying, "Hey, what do you think?" And I'm like, "Yeah, 100%." think?" And I'm like, "Yeah, 100%." think?" And I'm like, "Yeah, 100%." Yeah, let's let's work together on it. Yeah, let's let's work together on it. Yeah, let's let's work together on it. That that's a serious that's a serious e That that's a serious that's a serious e That that's a serious that's a serious e effort. Uh, and now I led that and effort. Uh, and now I led that and effort. Uh, and now I led that and enough Democrats broke closure on that. enough Democrats broke closure on that. enough Democrats broke closure on that. That's why it's a law in America right That's why it's a law in America right That's why it's a law in America right now. You know, I'd like to think that my now. You know, I'd like to think that my now. You know, I'd like to think that my credentials on border security as a credentials on border security as a credentials on border security as a Democrat is platinum, you know, uh, and Democrat is platinum, you know, uh, and Democrat is platinum, you know, uh, and I even I voted for Gnome, one of the few I even I voted for Gnome, one of the few I even I voted for Gnome, one of the few Democrats that her I met with her, Democrats that her I met with her, Democrats that her I met with her, treated her with respect, you know, treated her with respect, you know, treated her with respect, you know, refused to use the kind of sexist and refused to use the kind of sexist and refused to use the kind of sexist and gross terms like ice Barbie and those gross terms like ice Barbie and those gross terms like ice Barbie and those kinds of thing. Refused to do that. She kinds of thing. Refused to do that. She kinds of thing. Refused to do that. She absolutely lost the plot. I called for absolutely lost the plot. I called for absolutely lost the plot. I called for her to resign. She became a mayorcus. I her to resign. She became a mayorcus. I her to resign. She became a mayorcus. I was a Democrat calling out that Morcus was a Democrat calling out that Morcus was a Democrat calling out that Morcus was a disaster without a doubt. You was a disaster without a doubt. You was a disaster without a doubt. You know, we cannot this is unsustainable know, we cannot this is unsustainable know, we cannot this is unsustainable and this is uh damaging our nation and and this is uh damaging our nation and and this is uh damaging our nation and making it impossible to deliver an making it impossible to deliver an making it impossible to deliver an American dream for any migrants at that American dream for any migrants at that American dream for any migrants at that point. point. point. >> Do you think that ISIS's mandate should >> Do you think that ISIS's mandate should >> Do you think that ISIS's mandate should be to remove every illegal immigrant be to remove every illegal immigrant be to remove every illegal immigrant from this country or do you think that from this country or do you think that from this country or do you think that they should be going after just one they should be going after just one they should be going after just one group and leave others and we have to group and leave others and we have to group and leave others and we have to legislate? What's the right way for ICE legislate? What's the right way for ICE legislate? What's the right way for ICE to operate? No, you know, you have the to operate? No, you know, you have the to operate? No, you know, you have the vast majority of Americans secure our vast majority of Americans secure our vast majority of Americans secure our border. They've done that without a border. They've done that without a border. They've done that without a doubt. And deport every criminal. doubt. And deport every criminal. doubt. And deport every criminal. They're they gun. And now, you know, They're they gun. And now, you know, They're they gun. And now, you know, Pennsylvania, that's our top industry is Pennsylvania, that's our top industry is Pennsylvania, that's our top industry is is farming, agriculture, is farming, agriculture, is farming, agriculture, and constantly that's their issue. and constantly that's their issue. and constantly that's their issue. Labor, labor, labor. It's it's really Labor, labor, labor. It's it's really Labor, labor, labor. It's it's really problematic. you know, targeting problematic. you know, targeting problematic. you know, targeting otherwise lawful migrants. I don't think otherwise lawful migrants. I don't think otherwise lawful migrants. I don't think that's what America really wants and that's what America really wants and that's what America really wants and honestly that's not what America needs. honestly that's not what America needs. honestly that's not what America needs. You know, you know, we they are an You know, you know, we they are an You know, you know, we they are an important part of our economy and important part of our economy and important part of our economy and finding a better way to address that. finding a better way to address that. finding a better way to address that. I'm Hey, I'm here for that conversation. I'm Hey, I'm here for that conversation. I'm Hey, I'm here for that conversation. My wife was a dreamer. You know, I I My wife was a dreamer. You know, I I My wife was a dreamer. You know, I I would love to work with the other side. would love to work with the other side. would love to work with the other side. You know, I shouldn't punish a 2year-old You know, I shouldn't punish a 2year-old You know, I shouldn't punish a 2year-old that was brought here. had no idea uh at that was brought here. had no idea uh at that was brought here. had no idea uh at that age, you know. So, I think they've that age, you know. So, I think they've that age, you know. So, I think they've made, you know, important contributions made, you know, important contributions made, you know, important contributions to our nation. I'm a I'm a pro-democrat to our nation. I'm a I'm a pro-democrat to our nation. I'm a I'm a pro-democrat uh I'm excuse me, I'm a pro-immigration uh I'm excuse me, I'm a pro-immigration uh I'm excuse me, I'm a pro-immigration Democrat, but I'm the also the only Democrat, but I'm the also the only Democrat, but I'm the also the only Democrat to view shut our government Democrat to view shut our government Democrat to view shut our government down the way that's where we're at. And, down the way that's where we're at. And, down the way that's where we're at. And, you know, I'm becoming the only very you know, I'm becoming the only very you know, I'm becoming the only very proud supporter of Israel. And I'm the proud supporter of Israel. And I'm the proud supporter of Israel. And I'm the only Democrat that's saying destroying a only Democrat that's saying destroying a only Democrat that's saying destroying a regime, you know, that like Iran is a regime, you know, that like Iran is a regime, you know, that like Iran is a good thing. good thing. good thing. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> do you think that that creates a bad >> do you think that that creates a bad >> do you think that that creates a bad incentive with the what people call incentive with the what people call incentive with the what people call anchor babies where an immigrant comes anchor babies where an immigrant comes anchor babies where an immigrant comes to the United States, has a baby, and to the United States, has a baby, and to the United States, has a baby, and then stays and the baby has citizenship? then stays and the baby has citizenship? then stays and the baby has citizenship? That seems to be one of the the the kind That seems to be one of the the the kind That seems to be one of the the the kind of big debate points right now. of big debate points right now. of big debate points right now. Well, I mean, for for me, I I I what Well, I mean, for for me, I I I what Well, I mean, for for me, I I I what what I will say is is like if you secure what I will say is is like if you secure what I will say is is like if you secure a border, that makes those kinds of a border, that makes those kinds of a border, that makes those kinds of things more and more difficult or things more and more difficult or things more and more difficult or unlikely to to happen. Now, I you know, unlikely to to happen. Now, I you know, unlikely to to happen. Now, I you know, back in 2023, you saw the numbers, back in 2023, you saw the numbers, back in 2023, you saw the numbers, 300,000 people showing up at the border. 300,000 people showing up at the border. 300,000 people showing up at the border. You know, that's the side of Pittsburgh. You know, that's the side of Pittsburgh. You know, that's the side of Pittsburgh. I describe that in terms of I describe that in terms of I describe that in terms of Pennsylvania. That the size of Pennsylvania. That the size of Pennsylvania. That the size of Pittsburgh is showing up at the border. Pittsburgh is showing up at the border. Pittsburgh is showing up at the border. That's unsustainable. You know, we have That's unsustainable. You know, we have That's unsustainable. You know, we have to do something about it. You know, to do something about it. You know, to do something about it. You know, Mayor Arcus had to go. He's been a Mayor Arcus had to go. He's been a Mayor Arcus had to go. He's been a liability. That's why I described Gnome liability. That's why I described Gnome liability. That's why I described Gnome and I called her to to go. and I called her to to go. and I called her to to go. >> What was why did why did President Biden >> What was why did why did President Biden >> What was why did why did President Biden open the border? What was the open the border? What was the open the border? What was the motivation? What have you Democratic? motivation? What have you Democratic? motivation? What have you Democratic? >> I'll tell you that the truth is I was >> I'll tell you that the truth is I was >> I'll tell you that the truth is I was shocked when when they dropped uh shocked when when they dropped uh shocked when when they dropped uh Article 42, you know, in my primary. Article 42, you know, in my primary. Article 42, you know, in my primary. It's like we all ran on that. That It's like we all ran on that. That It's like we all ran on that. That wasn't controversial. I was stunned when wasn't controversial. I was stunned when wasn't controversial. I was stunned when they dropped that and you could see they dropped that and you could see they dropped that and you could see this, you know, right up after that. this, you know, right up after that. this, you know, right up after that. >> Was it to reduce labor cost or to bring >> Was it to reduce labor cost or to bring >> Was it to reduce labor cost or to bring in Democratic voters or what was the in Democratic voters or what was the in Democratic voters or what was the motivation do you think from the party? motivation do you think from the party? motivation do you think from the party? And you must speak to party leadership And you must speak to party leadership And you must speak to party leadership that tells you why they're justified or that tells you why they're justified or that tells you why they're justified or were justified for doing that when they were justified for doing that when they were justified for doing that when they did it. did it. did it. >> I I don't know, but I was I was alarmed >> I I don't know, but I was I was alarmed >> I I don't know, but I was I was alarmed and I was honest. It's like, you know, and I was honest. It's like, you know, and I was honest. It's like, you know, for me, like for any politician, if you for me, like for any politician, if you for me, like for any politician, if you are telling the people their eyes that are telling the people their eyes that are telling the people their eyes that you're crazy, you're not right, you you're crazy, you're not right, you you're crazy, you're not right, you lose, you know, and we were punished. We lose, you know, and we were punished. We lose, you know, and we were punished. We were punished in 24. The border was a were punished in 24. The border was a were punished in 24. The border was a serious serious failure as as Democrats. serious serious failure as as Democrats. serious serious failure as as Democrats. So, it's like holding us accountable. So, it's like holding us accountable. So, it's like holding us accountable. And now, that's part of responsibility And now, that's part of responsibility And now, that's part of responsibility to learn from from that situation. now. to learn from from that situation. now. to learn from from that situation. now. And I do hope and I do hope the And I do hope and I do hope the And I do hope and I do hope the Republicans learn from Minneapolis Republicans learn from Minneapolis Republicans learn from Minneapolis doesn't help anybody that that doesn't, doesn't help anybody that that doesn't, doesn't help anybody that that doesn't, you know, doesn't help your cause, you you know, doesn't help your cause, you you know, doesn't help your cause, you know, and it and people that absolutely know, and it and people that absolutely know, and it and people that absolutely uh the optics, whether that's the optics uh the optics, whether that's the optics uh the optics, whether that's the optics or the kinds of tactics, any of that, or the kinds of tactics, any of that, or the kinds of tactics, any of that, you're not winning anybody over. you're not winning anybody over. you're not winning anybody over. >> Right. So, I want to switch gears to my >> Right. So, I want to switch gears to my >> Right. So, I want to switch gears to my favorite topic, which is the the fiscal favorite topic, which is the the fiscal favorite topic, which is the the fiscal condition of the United States condition of the United States condition of the United States government. We have $40 trillion of debt government. We have $40 trillion of debt government. We have $40 trillion of debt and we're going to have a $2 trillion and we're going to have a $2 trillion and we're going to have a $2 trillion deficit this year. A trillion dollars of deficit this year. A trillion dollars of deficit this year. A trillion dollars of that is just interest on the existing that is just interest on the existing that is just interest on the existing debt. That number is getting bigger and debt. That number is getting bigger and debt. That number is getting bigger and bigger every year and a bunch of bigger every year and a bunch of bigger every year and a bunch of programs are going to run out of money programs are going to run out of money programs are going to run out of money including social security which is including social security which is including social security which is projected to run out of money sometime projected to run out of money sometime projected to run out of money sometime between call it five and 10 years from between call it five and 10 years from between call it five and 10 years from now. This is a classic debt death spiral now. This is a classic debt death spiral now. This is a classic debt death spiral problem. You know what is how much does problem. You know what is how much does problem. You know what is how much does Congress pay attention to this problem? Congress pay attention to this problem? Congress pay attention to this problem? Is it something that's talked about? Is it something that's talked about? Is it something that's talked about? Because a lot of the conversations seem Because a lot of the conversations seem Because a lot of the conversations seem to be about what the polls say so that to be about what the polls say so that to be about what the polls say so that people can get elected again the next people can get elected again the next people can get elected again the next cycle versus looking at this big looming cycle versus looking at this big looming cycle versus looking at this big looming debt problem we're facing and how we're debt problem we're facing and how we're debt problem we're facing and how we're going to address it. going to address it. going to address it. >> Yeah, debt's a huge concern for me. I >> Yeah, debt's a huge concern for me. I >> Yeah, debt's a huge concern for me. I mean, you know, I'm I'm old enough to mean, you know, I'm I'm old enough to mean, you know, I'm I'm old enough to remember when a billion dollars meant remember when a billion dollars meant remember when a billion dollars meant something or that was a lot of money and something or that was a lot of money and something or that was a lot of money and now the trillions are becoming more now the trillions are becoming more now the trillions are becoming more kinds of it's not kind of like social kinds of it's not kind of like social kinds of it's not kind of like social security. Social Security, for example, security. Social Security, for example, security. Social Security, for example, now they just need to make some small now they just need to make some small now they just need to make some small small adjustments for actual on the small adjustments for actual on the small adjustments for actual on the actuarial kinds of things and that could actuarial kinds of things and that could actuarial kinds of things and that could extend it well into the 20 uh the 2070s extend it well into the 20 uh the 2070s extend it well into the 20 uh the 2070s to the 2080s. Just small small kinds of to the 2080s. Just small small kinds of to the 2080s. Just small small kinds of things that would require real things that would require real things that would require real leadership and that would require them leadership and that would require them leadership and that would require them to just put down the partisan guns and to just put down the partisan guns and to just put down the partisan guns and just stop attacking each other and find just stop attacking each other and find just stop attacking each other and find a real solution for all of Americans. a real solution for all of Americans. a real solution for all of Americans. And now you'll never address debt until And now you'll never address debt until And now you'll never address debt until you both sides agree. We're gonna stop you both sides agree. We're gonna stop you both sides agree. We're gonna stop tearing each other apart. We're gonna tearing each other apart. We're gonna tearing each other apart. We're gonna find a way forward. You know, I hope I find a way forward. You know, I hope I find a way forward. You know, I hope I hope more Americans want my views of why hope more Americans want my views of why hope more Americans want my views of why just turn it into just uh uh just turn it into just uh uh just turn it into just uh uh professional wrestling or do you really professional wrestling or do you really professional wrestling or do you really want to find a better way? And you know, want to find a better way? And you know, want to find a better way? And you know, it's like uh effectively if you turn it's like uh effectively if you turn it's like uh effectively if you turn Washington DC as the Jerry Springer Washington DC as the Jerry Springer Washington DC as the Jerry Springer show, you know, you asked me earlier show, you know, you asked me earlier show, you know, you asked me earlier what's the leader of the Democratic what's the leader of the Democratic what's the leader of the Democratic party right now, I would say it's TDS. party right now, I would say it's TDS. party right now, I would say it's TDS. That that is that's driving the That that is that's driving the That that is that's driving the conversation. If he supports, you know, conversation. If he supports, you know, conversation. If he supports, you know, he could come out for ice cream and lazy he could come out for ice cream and lazy he could come out for ice cream and lazy Sundays and now suddenly Democrats would Sundays and now suddenly Democrats would Sundays and now suddenly Democrats would hate it, we would want to vote it down. hate it, we would want to vote it down. hate it, we would want to vote it down. >> Yeah. Well, there's there's also a lot >> Yeah. Well, there's there's also a lot >> Yeah. Well, there's there's also a lot of discussion right now about fraud in of discussion right now about fraud in of discussion right now about fraud in the government. I don't know if you've the government. I don't know if you've the government. I don't know if you've seen these videos out of Minnesota and seen these videos out of Minnesota and seen these videos out of Minnesota and this guy Nick Shirley doing them out of this guy Nick Shirley doing them out of this guy Nick Shirley doing them out of California. California. California. >> Yeah, let me say that. Let me say that. >> Yeah, let me say that. Let me say that. >> Yeah, let me say that. Let me say that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, absolutely. Like, why can't you celebrate any Like, why can't you celebrate any Like, why can't you celebrate any journalist or any, you know, activist journalist or any, you know, activist journalist or any, you know, activist doing that? And what he, you know, uh, doing that? And what he, you know, uh, doing that? And what he, you know, uh, Governor Nuome put out a disgusting Governor Nuome put out a disgusting Governor Nuome put out a disgusting video implying that he's, you know, a video implying that he's, you know, a video implying that he's, you know, a pedophile or he's that that like why, pedophile or he's that that like why, pedophile or he's that that like why, you know, like I mean, like that's like you know, like I mean, like that's like you know, like I mean, like that's like kind of a smear, you know, like you can kind of a smear, you know, like you can kind of a smear, you know, like you can you may you want to disagree or but but you may you want to disagree or but but you may you want to disagree or but but to imply that someone someone in one of to imply that someone someone in one of to imply that someone someone in one of the most gross kinds of terms like that, the most gross kinds of terms like that, the most gross kinds of terms like that, well, it's like, hey, shouldn't we agree well, it's like, hey, shouldn't we agree well, it's like, hey, shouldn't we agree like you know, eliminate all the waste. like you know, eliminate all the waste. like you know, eliminate all the waste. If it exists under under my perfume, If it exists under under my perfume, If it exists under under my perfume, let's eliminate it. Let's call that what let's eliminate it. Let's call that what let's eliminate it. Let's call that what it is. You know, I'm not going to call it is. You know, I'm not going to call it is. You know, I'm not going to call someone or imply that you're you're a someone or imply that you're you're a someone or imply that you're you're a pedophile or you're, you know, going pedophile or you're, you know, going pedophile or you're, you know, going after kids in the gross ways. after kids in the gross ways. after kids in the gross ways. >> But what's crazy to me and so many other >> But what's crazy to me and so many other >> But what's crazy to me and so many other people that have seen these videos is to people that have seen these videos is to people that have seen these videos is to then see reactions from leaders in the then see reactions from leaders in the then see reactions from leaders in the Democratic party saying, "We don't have Democratic party saying, "We don't have Democratic party saying, "We don't have a problem. This is racist. This is a problem. This is racist. This is a problem. This is racist. This is whatever." And denouncing the reports of whatever." And denouncing the reports of whatever." And denouncing the reports of this. But but when you see this fraud, this. But but when you see this fraud, this. But but when you see this fraud, it angers everyone. You're spending it angers everyone. You're spending it angers everyone. You're spending money as a taxpayer and then you're money as a taxpayer and then you're money as a taxpayer and then you're giving the money away to fraudsters. giving the money away to fraudsters. giving the money away to fraudsters. It's It's It's >> It should. It should. It should. Yeah, >> It should. It should. It should. Yeah, >> It should. It should. It should. Yeah, it should. It should. You should be it should. It should. You should be it should. It should. You should be angry. And you know, like fraud can angry. And you know, like fraud can angry. And you know, like fraud can happen on both sides, but when it's happen on both sides, but when it's happen on both sides, but when it's identified, I don't care if it's in a identified, I don't care if it's in a identified, I don't care if it's in a Democratic state, like we should all Democratic state, like we should all Democratic state, like we should all just acknowledge maybe there is a just acknowledge maybe there is a just acknowledge maybe there is a problem here. This is part of the thing. problem here. This is part of the thing. problem here. This is part of the thing. If you tell v voters that you're wrong If you tell v voters that you're wrong If you tell v voters that you're wrong or you know, hey, it's no problem. or you know, hey, it's no problem. or you know, hey, it's no problem. there's nothing here then you lose and there's nothing here then you lose and there's nothing here then you lose and know that you you want to turn that into know that you you want to turn that into know that you you want to turn that into if you want to turn that into um like if you want to turn that into um like if you want to turn that into um like the border you know with Democrats as in the border you know with Democrats as in the border you know with Democrats as in 2023 you know we do that at our own 2023 you know we do that at our own 2023 you know we do that at our own peril peril peril >> you're you're so rightly critical of so >> you're you're so rightly critical of so >> you're you're so rightly critical of so many of these points John why are you many of these points John why are you many of these points John why are you still a Democrat still a Democrat still a Democrat >> it passed yeah so save just passed my >> it passed yeah so save just passed my >> it passed yeah so save just passed my staffer just handed to me 51 staffer just handed to me 51 staffer just handed to me 51 >> Wow they went forward huh >> Wow they went forward huh >> Wow they went forward huh >> yeah it's going That's going forward to >> yeah it's going That's going forward to >> yeah it's going That's going forward to debate. Yeah. Yeah. It goes to debate. debate. Yeah. Yeah. It goes to debate. debate. Yeah. Yeah. It goes to debate. >> Yeah. And so what do you think will >> Yeah. And so what do you think will >> Yeah. And so what do you think will happen there? Will this last a couple happen there? Will this last a couple happen there? Will this last a couple days, a week? I mean, how's this process days, a week? I mean, how's this process days, a week? I mean, how's this process going to go? going to go? going to go? >> I I have no idea. I I I am not going to >> I I have no idea. I I I am not going to >> I I have no idea. I I I am not going to pretend to know exactly how the next pretend to know exactly how the next pretend to know exactly how the next couple days are going to look. couple days are going to look. couple days are going to look. >> The question I asked just before that >> The question I asked just before that >> The question I asked just before that was, you know, you're rightly critical was, you know, you're rightly critical was, you know, you're rightly critical of so many of these positions that the of so many of these positions that the of so many of these positions that the Democratic Party leadership takes. Why Democratic Party leadership takes. Why Democratic Party leadership takes. Why are you still a Democrat? Have you are you still a Democrat? Have you are you still a Democrat? Have you thought about switching parties? thought about switching parties? thought about switching parties? because I am a Democrat and it's not because I am a Democrat and it's not because I am a Democrat and it's not because I've changed. It's because because I've changed. It's because because I've changed. It's because because you know parts of my party has because you know parts of my party has because you know parts of my party has changed right now and that's that's changed right now and that's that's changed right now and that's that's where I'm at. I'm going to continue to where I'm at. I'm going to continue to where I'm at. I'm going to continue to be an independent voice. I'm going to be an independent voice. I'm going to be an independent voice. I'm going to call balls and strikes. I'm always going call balls and strikes. I'm always going call balls and strikes. I'm always going to pick country over uh part of my base to pick country over uh part of my base to pick country over uh part of my base or what they demand. or what they demand. or what they demand. One of the one of the clear rising One of the one of the clear rising One of the one of the clear rising themes right now in this country going themes right now in this country going themes right now in this country going into the midterms and probably going into the midterms and probably going into the midterms and probably going into 28 for the presidential election into 28 for the presidential election into 28 for the presidential election cycle is the massive wealth inequality cycle is the massive wealth inequality cycle is the massive wealth inequality in this country. Do you think we have in this country. Do you think we have in this country. Do you think we have massive wealth inequality and is it you massive wealth inequality and is it you massive wealth inequality and is it you know can you identify the origin? Where know can you identify the origin? Where know can you identify the origin? Where is this coming from? is this coming from? is this coming from? >> I I don't I don't really know. Uh but I >> I I don't I don't really know. Uh but I >> I I don't I don't really know. Uh but I I don't hate billionaires. I don't make I don't hate billionaires. I don't make I don't hate billionaires. I don't make them the problem. Now that with them the problem. Now that with them the problem. Now that with Democrats, we love billionaires if we're Democrats, we love billionaires if we're Democrats, we love billionaires if we're supporting our we're supporting our supporting our we're supporting our supporting our we're supporting our causes or there's they're underwriting, causes or there's they're underwriting, causes or there's they're underwriting, you know, things that are near and dear you know, things that are near and dear you know, things that are near and dear to us. In fact, we actually have a a to us. In fact, we actually have a a to us. In fact, we actually have a a billionaire as a Democratic governor, billionaire as a Democratic governor, billionaire as a Democratic governor, you know, that doesn't mean he's an you know, that doesn't mean he's an you know, that doesn't mean he's an oligarch and trying to destroy America, oligarch and trying to destroy America, oligarch and trying to destroy America, you know. So, like, it's about trying to you know. So, like, it's about trying to you know. So, like, it's about trying to be more honest and stop attacking each be more honest and stop attacking each be more honest and stop attacking each other and find what we can agree on. other and find what we can agree on. other and find what we can agree on. now, but we live in the kinds of now, but we live in the kinds of now, but we live in the kinds of attention economy and just, you know, attention economy and just, you know, attention economy and just, you know, saying outlandish thing and making, you saying outlandish thing and making, you saying outlandish thing and making, you know, crazy statements, you know, yeah, know, crazy statements, you know, yeah, know, crazy statements, you know, yeah, that drives the clicks, but that's not that drives the clicks, but that's not that drives the clicks, but that's not governments. That's not governments. That's not governments. That's not >> Well, it's it's on the ballot now in >> Well, it's it's on the ballot now in >> Well, it's it's on the ballot now in California to pass a wealth tax and it California to pass a wealth tax and it California to pass a wealth tax and it starts as a one-time 5% tax for starts as a one-time 5% tax for starts as a one-time 5% tax for billionaires, but it gives the billionaires, but it gives the billionaires, but it gives the legislature in California the ability to legislature in California the ability to legislature in California the ability to lower the threshold and make it every lower the threshold and make it every lower the threshold and make it every year if they wanted to. and change the year if they wanted to. and change the year if they wanted to. and change the percentage. Ro and Bernie Sanders have percentage. Ro and Bernie Sanders have percentage. Ro and Bernie Sanders have talked about passing a national wealth talked about passing a national wealth talked about passing a national wealth tax. Do you think we are going to find tax. Do you think we are going to find tax. Do you think we are going to find ourselves in that conversation in 2028 ourselves in that conversation in 2028 ourselves in that conversation in 2028 and we're going to have a national and we're going to have a national and we're going to have a national wealth tax where eventually, just like wealth tax where eventually, just like wealth tax where eventually, just like we started with a 1% income tax, we started with a 1% income tax, we started with a 1% income tax, eventually everyone will pay a eventually everyone will pay a eventually everyone will pay a significant percentage of their net significant percentage of their net significant percentage of their net worth every year to support government worth every year to support government worth every year to support government services? services? services? I mean, uh, I mean, uh, I mean, uh, Senator Sanders has never represented Senator Sanders has never represented Senator Sanders has never represented more than a very small, you know, state, more than a very small, you know, state, more than a very small, you know, state, you know, like win a competitive state. you know, like win a competitive state. you know, like win a competitive state. Uh, so you have your own ideas and, you Uh, so you have your own ideas and, you Uh, so you have your own ideas and, you know, like we'll see what really is know, like we'll see what really is know, like we'll see what really is required to to to required to to to required to to to win, you know. win, you know. win, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, so let me ask. He's >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, so let me ask. He's >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, so let me ask. He's also recently called for a moratorium on also recently called for a moratorium on also recently called for a moratorium on building AI data centers. I work in building AI data centers. I work in building AI data centers. I work in Silicon Valley as do my Silicon Valley as do my Silicon Valley as do my >> China China loves it. China loves it. >> China China loves it. China loves it. >> China China loves it. China loves it. >> China loves it. >> China loves it. >> China loves it. >> Yeah. Let's hand hand hand AI that race >> Yeah. Let's hand hand hand AI that race >> Yeah. Let's hand hand hand AI that race over to the Chinese. over to the Chinese. over to the Chinese. >> Why do you think leaders in the party >> Why do you think leaders in the party >> Why do you think leaders in the party are supporting this idea? It's so are supporting this idea? It's so are supporting this idea? It's so obvious what's going to happen if we do obvious what's going to happen if we do obvious what's going to happen if we do this. But um you know, do you think AI this. But um you know, do you think AI this. But um you know, do you think AI is going to increase wealth disparity in is going to increase wealth disparity in is going to increase wealth disparity in this country? win a real, you know, this country? win a real, you know, this country? win a real, you know, competitive election, win one, then you competitive election, win one, then you competitive election, win one, then you can lecture me or you can tell me, hey, can lecture me or you can tell me, hey, can lecture me or you can tell me, hey, what's the right direction? what's the right direction? what's the right direction? Otherwise, you know, like it's it's like Otherwise, you know, like it's it's like Otherwise, you know, like it's it's like they are the they are the part of the they are the they are the part of the they are the they are the part of the party that's so hyperritical, you know, party that's so hyperritical, you know, party that's so hyperritical, you know, and those kinds of excesses like defund and those kinds of excesses like defund and those kinds of excesses like defund the police and and uh abolish ICE and the police and and uh abolish ICE and the police and and uh abolish ICE and these outlandish kind of thing, you these outlandish kind of thing, you these outlandish kind of thing, you know, they're the same part of the party know, they're the same part of the party know, they're the same part of the party now that loves the dude with the Nazi now that loves the dude with the Nazi now that loves the dude with the Nazi tattoo on his chest, tattoo on his chest, tattoo on his chest, >> right? And then I I just want to cover >> right? And then I I just want to cover >> right? And then I I just want to cover agriculture real quick. I've heard agriculture real quick. I've heard agriculture real quick. I've heard reports that the vast majority of US reports that the vast majority of US reports that the vast majority of US farms lost money. you're on the Senate farms lost money. you're on the Senate farms lost money. you're on the Senate ad committee, which is why I'm asking ad committee, which is why I'm asking ad committee, which is why I'm asking this, and this is becoming, I think, a this, and this is becoming, I think, a this, and this is becoming, I think, a big national issue that the majority of big national issue that the majority of big national issue that the majority of US farmers lost money last year if not US farmers lost money last year if not US farmers lost money last year if not for the federal government providing for the federal government providing for the federal government providing support payments, crop insurance, and support payments, crop insurance, and support payments, crop insurance, and would have been one-time bailouts. Do would have been one-time bailouts. Do would have been one-time bailouts. Do you think we have a path to fixing you think we have a path to fixing you think we have a path to fixing agriculture in this country? And how do agriculture in this country? And how do agriculture in this country? And how do we get farmers back on track where they we get farmers back on track where they we get farmers back on track where they can earn a living without requiring can earn a living without requiring can earn a living without requiring checks from the government? checks from the government? checks from the government? >> Farming is such a hard job. I absolutely >> Farming is such a hard job. I absolutely >> Farming is such a hard job. I absolutely revere American farms, especially in revere American farms, especially in revere American farms, especially in Pennsylvania ones. Their job, you know, Pennsylvania ones. Their job, you know, Pennsylvania ones. Their job, you know, quite literally feeds us. I fully quite literally feeds us. I fully quite literally feeds us. I fully support all of their efforts. You know, support all of their efforts. You know, support all of their efforts. You know, I was deeply troubled by many many of I was deeply troubled by many many of I was deeply troubled by many many of those tariffs. And also the ones that I those tariffs. And also the ones that I those tariffs. And also the ones that I talked to, labor, labor, labor has made talked to, labor, labor, labor has made talked to, labor, labor, labor has made that very, very difficult. I you know we that very, very difficult. I you know we that very, very difficult. I you know we should celebrate and support farmers should celebrate and support farmers should celebrate and support farmers because I know because I've visited because I know because I've visited because I know because I've visited enough farms to see how hard enough farms to see how hard enough farms to see how hard backbreaking labor it is to just deliver backbreaking labor it is to just deliver backbreaking labor it is to just deliver food to your table. So that's part food to your table. So that's part food to your table. So that's part that's part of it and that's kind of that's part of it and that's kind of that's part of it and that's kind of connected to things. Thankfully, we have connected to things. Thankfully, we have connected to things. Thankfully, we have the kinds of abundance in our nation for the kinds of abundance in our nation for the kinds of abundance in our nation for our food and now why um that's why uh our food and now why um that's why uh our food and now why um that's why uh that's part of the immigration that's part of the immigration that's part of the immigration conversation. That's part of the tariffs conversation. That's part of the tariffs conversation. That's part of the tariffs and that wherever like that. So, so the and that wherever like that. So, so the and that wherever like that. So, so the kinds of things that are hurting a lot kinds of things that are hurting a lot kinds of things that are hurting a lot of the people that are just almost of the people that are just almost of the people that are just almost forming uh uniformly forming uh uniformly forming uh uniformly red parts of of my state. red parts of of my state. red parts of of my state. >> Yeah. And and and just to wrap up, I >> Yeah. And and and just to wrap up, I >> Yeah. And and and just to wrap up, I mean, you you've said you want to save mean, you you've said you want to save mean, you you've said you want to save the Democratic party and not abandon it, the Democratic party and not abandon it, the Democratic party and not abandon it, which you know, you repeated here today. which you know, you repeated here today. which you know, you repeated here today. You're a Democrat, but you know, with You're a Democrat, but you know, with You're a Democrat, but you know, with only 22% approval rating among only 22% approval rating among only 22% approval rating among Pennsylvania Democrats, I mean, how do Pennsylvania Democrats, I mean, how do Pennsylvania Democrats, I mean, how do you carry this forward? And, you carry this forward? And, you carry this forward? And, you know, what's the way to kind of you know, what's the way to kind of you know, what's the way to kind of bring this party out of the doldrums, if bring this party out of the doldrums, if bring this party out of the doldrums, if you will, that there's a lack of you will, that there's a lack of you will, that there's a lack of leadership and a lack of moral clarity, leadership and a lack of moral clarity, leadership and a lack of moral clarity, as you call it? Well, as as I said as you call it? Well, as as I said as you call it? Well, as as I said earlier, there was there was there was a earlier, there was there was there was a earlier, there was there was there was a poll out that was con was current to poll out that was con was current to poll out that was con was current to that and it has me around 5050. You that and it has me around 5050. You that and it has me around 5050. You know, that that's more accurate. So, I'm know, that that's more accurate. So, I'm know, that that's more accurate. So, I'm not worried about 28. You know, we have not worried about 28. You know, we have not worried about 28. You know, we have Iran, we have a lot of other things Iran, we have a lot of other things Iran, we have a lot of other things right now. So like I'm just I'm not I'm right now. So like I'm just I'm not I'm right now. So like I'm just I'm not I'm not uh you know the parlor games about not uh you know the parlor games about not uh you know the parlor games about something you know like I've never felt something you know like I've never felt something you know like I've never felt better of just voting my conscience better of just voting my conscience better of just voting my conscience voting country over party and just voting country over party and just voting country over party and just following the moral clarities and really following the moral clarities and really following the moral clarities and really really important kinds of of of things really important kinds of of of things really important kinds of of of things like destroying Iran, securing Israel like destroying Iran, securing Israel like destroying Iran, securing Israel and standing uh with uh the Jewish and standing uh with uh the Jewish and standing uh with uh the Jewish community and Israel after everything community and Israel after everything community and Israel after everything that they've been through and how close that they've been through and how close that they've been through and how close how much more optimism of of real peace. how much more optimism of of real peace. how much more optimism of of real peace. You know, yes, that's there's a lot of You know, yes, that's there's a lot of You know, yes, that's there's a lot of warfare now, but then I think that's a warfare now, but then I think that's a warfare now, but then I think that's a path for for more enduring peace. path for for more enduring peace. path for for more enduring peace. >> There's been a lot of genuine >> There's been a lot of genuine >> There's been a lot of genuine speculation that you might run for speculation that you might run for speculation that you might run for president in 28. Is that on the table? president in 28. Is that on the table? president in 28. Is that on the table? >> I'm I uh you know, it's like about 28. >> I'm I uh you know, it's like about 28. >> I'm I uh you know, it's like about 28. You know, I I don't know what what what You know, I I don't know what what what You know, I I don't know what what what America wants or the direction. You America wants or the direction. You America wants or the direction. You know, I'm following what I've just said. know, I'm following what I've just said. know, I'm following what I've just said. That's the moral clarities and That's the moral clarities and That's the moral clarities and >> Well, thanks for speaking your voice. >> Well, thanks for speaking your voice. >> Well, thanks for speaking your voice. Uh, Senator John Fedman, I appreciate Uh, Senator John Fedman, I appreciate Uh, Senator John Fedman, I appreciate you being with us on All In today. you being with us on All In today. you being with us on All In today. >> This has been great. >> This has been great. >> This has been great. >> Thank you. I I love conversations >> Thank you. I I love conversations >> Thank you. I I love conversations uh with anyone's that's just a real uh with anyone's that's just a real uh with anyone's that's just a real conversation. conversation. conversation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Calling people names and saying >> Calling people names and saying >> Calling people names and saying outlandish thing um that doesn't make outlandish thing um that doesn't make outlandish thing um that doesn't make anyone anyone anyone um I don't know like I refuse to engage um I don't know like I refuse to engage um I don't know like I refuse to engage it. So, thanks. it. So, thanks. it. So, thanks. >> It's it's it's a breath of fresh air, >> It's it's it's a breath of fresh air, >> It's it's it's a breath of fresh air, honestly. and I really appreciate it. honestly. and I really appreciate it. honestly. and I really appreciate it. Thank you, John.