Joe Rogan Experience #993 - Ben Shapiro

Key Takeaway

Build a two-source habit before adopting a political claim: read or watch credible outlets with opposing viewpoints, identify the facts they share, and separate those facts from each outlet’s interpretation. Shapiro suggests that agreement across ideologically different sources is a useful signal, while disagreement often reveals where framing and opinion begin. Do this today with one headline: write down three mutually reported facts, then note the distinct assumptions each side adds.

Episode Overview

Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro discuss campus speech controversies, political identity, media polarization, Trump-era incentives, economic change, and environmental policy. Across a wide-ranging and frequently contentious conversation, Shapiro repeatedly argues for distinguishing evidence from rhetoric, resisting tribal labels, and evaluating policies by their mechanisms and trade-offs.

Full Transcript

Transcript of Joe Rogan Experience #993 - Ben Shapiro from Joe Rogan Experience. Auto-generated from episode audio; may contain minor errors.

do we have enough love for tomorrow we don't have tomorrow good I'll bring it in this week Ben Shapiro we are live the people have spoken well thank you for having me thanks for being here man I became a fan of yours when I watched you um uh with what the [ __ ] is his name the CNN [ __ ] here's Morgan oh that was glorious when when you went after him the with the Sandy Hook thing like right away immediately like uh it was just glorious and you could tell that he didn't know what to do with it and and he literally said how dare you which is what I say to people all the time when I'm joking I say how dare you exactly as one of my friends said looked like he was clutching his pearls he was he was really pissed it was a two segment interview and during the break I said to him thanks so much for having me on he kind of growled at me he was not a happy camper yeah well you crushed him and the other one of my other favorite ones was Chelsea Handler crushing him where she was literally talking like you don't even talk to me in the break you're checking your phone and checking Twitter and and you could tell he was like oh no he just you know he came from that weird British tabloid environment and you found out that it the company that he worked for did really creepy [ __ ] like check people's voicemails they hacked into people's people who are dead and they gave the family false hope because they had checked the the voicemail and they found out that someone checked in they thought oh maybe she's still alive and then we made him a host unlik the X-Factor and brought him on CNN is awesome I just don't decision around why CNN thought that we have this fascin with British people yes if you have a British accent we automatically add 20 points to your IQ yeah they're great for like selling mops late night and nonstick cookware you and I enjoy John Oliver I think John Oliver is great apparently he has uh you know a lot of people think of all British act accents as being the same but he has like a blue collar British accent but I don't I I I can't tell the difference too much except when I'm watching my fair lady or something well I I could tell people from like Manchester and stuff like that cuz they they you know they have like the sort of like way of talking so fast that all the words kind of pile into each other but uh yeah Oliver's his uh his recent one Eddie Bravo got really mad at it the recent one about uh Alex Jones is [ __ ] hilarious I don't know if you've seen it's almost impossible to make something not funny about Alex Jones yeah you got to meet Alex have you met him I don't know that given how much I've made fun of him oh it be fine trust me yeah he's a he would like to strip off his shirt and start he might but he'd calm down you're a good guy we're basically on the same team he would he would he would come around well that if you remember the pi Morgan thing happened two nights after Alex was on Piers Morgan so so so Piers was like flying high because he had that whole debate with Alex and Alex did his shtick and was really over the top and he thought I was going to be like Alex Jones part two and it was going to be Piers you know succeeds again and Alex and I could not be more different than our approaches no no you're very rational and very reasonable and you know we've been talking about some of your debates there's not a lot of guys like you out there which is really interesting it's like you're a fast Thinking Fast talking very smart young guy who's also a conservative like there's not a lot of those out there and this is one of the things that we're encountering today is there especially on college campuses there's this very strange separation between the left and the right to the point where the right is like almost non-existent or at least doesn't have any representation and they're actively shunning that representation like they're pushing people out I know what's going on with you and Berkeley has that been resolved yeah I think that uh so so Berkeley after the publicity they said they're going to explain to people if they don't know the whole story yeah so so UC Berkeley if you recall last year I I I actually spoke there before any of this happened I spoke to UC Berkeley in like April 2016 and then Milo was supposed to speak there and he actually went there and there was a riot where antifa infiltrated the the student community and there all these pictures of them bombing things and you know blowing up cars and or setting them on fire at least and and throwing things at windows and so Berkeley shut down that event for safety reasons then an Coulter wanted to speak there and they basically used what they call time place and manner restrictions to stoer they kept saying well we have safety problems we can't figure out how to do the event and in the end they just canceled it because they didn't have security and then young America's Foundation which sponsors me to go to a lot of these campuses they said we want Shapiro to come and again I spoke there like a year and a half ago and they gave them two and a half months advance and Berkeley said well we have no venues available and so this seemed to be another cover for we're not going to allow a conservative on campus because there are security problems so we made that public and then Berkeley said no no no no we we'll make we'll make sure that you get in they give us an alternative venue and they even said they'd cover the security fee because they didn't like the bad publicity oh well that's nice yeah so that should be good well you know what happened with Jordan Peterson yesterday yes yeah just yesterday Jordan Peterson was banned from YouTube and um YouTube has a new policy that uh I it's very it's very weirdly worded but apparently they're allowed to block and restrict any kind of videos that are about religion or that could be deemed offensive which is almost everything yeah that's right and anything that's remotely I mean anything that's interesting is is going to be offensive to somebody so it won't be monetized it also won't be in the videos of Interest or I know they did this to prer University as well they had blocked like 10 of their videos a couple of months ago so it's it's yeah I mean this is nasty stuff and listen YouTube's a private company they have the right to do what they want but don't Proclaim that you're a free speech promoter institution if you're going to block people like Jordan Peterson for God's sake well the the problem is they're not blocking things that are offensive to other people they're they're not blocking certain things that are representing Islam in a positive light or there's there's a lot of weirdness with this leftwing choice of what to censor and what not to censor and it's it's not just dangerous it's also bad for the whole idea of being a progressive or being a liberal cuz it makes you look it makes them look really Petty and really weird and really uh resistant and hesitant to actually have real debate yeah for sure and this is one of the reasons why I'm I'm very meticulous in my terminology about people who are on the other side of the aisle actually separate people who are liberal from people who are leftist so when they're people who try to ban speech I call them leftist and if they are not interested in Banning speech then they're liberal meaning they they want bigger government they disagree with me on politics but they're still willing to have a conversation they want an open Forum people who are on the hard left think that it's actually an insult to their identity to disagree with them and this is what I experience sometimes on on campuses you know Cal State LA where there's a near Riot when I speak or University of Wisconsin where people storm the stage and stand in front of it and won't leave or pen state where we have again another near violent incident over at Penn State or depal where they actually ban me outright so sometimes you get this routine uh from people who think that they they conflate their Viewpoint with their identity and then if you have a different Viewpoint you're denying them their humanity and it's like no I'm not denying you I just think what you're saying is dumb like that's a very good point is that they have their identity completely connected with their ideology and when you oppose these people when you have these debates with these people what's really fascinating is the level of aeria that gets reached while you're staying calm yeah that's what I've noticed is is there's a ton of you know I tend to keep relatively calm just as a human being and very often when I'm debating someone you see them getting more and more and more emotional and people on the right love this because of course it's the triggering of the snowflakes but the easiest thing in the world to do is trigger some idiot college kid who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and what's what's hard to do is actually discuss issues with somebody who's intelligent enough to make the point but it's it the level of Hysteria on the campuses has really increased I mean I know have to travel with two members of security to every campus just because you don't know which campus is going to go off I never had to travel security before it's the weirdest thing in the world how long ago did this start happening uh well February of 2016 is when I started traveling with security so I spoke at University of Missouri they remember they had a big blow up University of Miss uh with black lives matter taking over campus offices and suggesting that there was some sort of big racism problem at missou which is just ridiculous and so they flew me and I did a speech there and then the next time I spoke was Cal State LA and they brought in a couple of security guys and I was like what do I need security for I'm just speaking on a campus who cares we got to the campus and they had already tried to cancel my speech because of security and I said I'm coming anyway so tough I had to be escorted in by 20 armed police officers I had to be escorted off campus by motorcycle cops flashing their lights there were 300 students who had blocked all of the entrances were physically assaulting people trying to get into the theater the police had to sneak the students in 2 by two into the theater they told them that until I left the campus they couldn't actually let the kids out of the theater because they were afraid that if they let the kids out of the theater they'd be attacked as they got as they were released it it was that one was pretty wild so after that it was like okay well I guess the security is necessary wow what is Shifting like what what is what is ramping things up I I think the identity politics is ramping things up so I I think there's a new mentality out there it's this intersectionality Politics on the left that says that there are a bunch of victim groups basically they're blacks and Hispanics and gays and Jews and Asians they're all victim groups and we get those all all those people together to attack the system because the system is keeping them down and if you and there's a hierarchy among these victim groups and if you are a straight white male you're at the very very bottom of the hierarchy in terms of viewpoints that should be acknowledged because you're the creators of this vast white supremacist system that keeps down everybody else if you're a black woman you're near the top right if you're LGBT you're at the top if you're a white guy and you challenge the Viewpoint of a black woman your Viewpoint is an attack on her identity and therefore she has the right to shut you down and so the idea is that your words are violence to her identity and therefore she has the right to react this is the the term you hear on campus a lot is microaggressions this idea that my opinion micro aggresses you now even that terminology I think is really stupid because normally in regular life we would say that's insulting and he said something I don't like the terminology microaggression suggests aggress like I'm actually doing something aggressive to you and the rational response to someone aggressing you is to use physical force in response and so you start you start to see a more violent response I think that's it's been growing in our politics I think there's a reactionary side on the right that's that's growing if there's an identity Politics on the left that says you know black identity politics gay identity politics female identity politics I think you're starting to see in some areas of white identity politics that's almost formed in response like okay well if everybody else gets to have their identity politics why can't we defend ourselves on those same grounds I hate that that [ __ ] I mean I think it's terrible yeah I hate that [ __ ] too and I would like to find the person who invented the term microaggression because that [ __ ] whoever it was they they they created quite a mess I'm sure you saw what happened at Evergreen with Brett Weinstein where where literally the left is eating itself and that's where it gets crazy is like you're not Progressive enough unless you're literally submitting to leaving your class because you're white like you can't be there because you're white they want a day of absence meaning the Prof professors the white people and then when you don't do it you're somehow or another racist and a Nazi I mean the whole thing is the whole thing was very bizarre to watch but but not sure not surprising because you see it so much so often all over the country right now it's almost like some new flower of ridiculous thinking and behavior has blossomed and it's In Bloom everywhere and when people could point to it existing in other places like in Missouri where that woman uh what was her name Crick was that woman who got the the Melissa Melissa click yeah yeah whatever her name was that when you see it in video when you see her on video saying can we get some muscle over here exact like this is [ __ ] insane like you're you're telling a photographer and by the way a minority an Asian man Asian man taking photos of a a public place that you've created some safe space but it's it's it's this weird thing where it's half of it is identity politics but it's also wrapped up in this need to control people and control people's behavior control their vernacular control the way they communicate and how you know how much you give in to group think it's it's weird it's scary and Jonathan height who's a social psychologist over ATU he did a really good piece for the Atlantic in 2015 about this phenomenon this kind of safe space trigger warning phenomenon this idea that you must never be forced into a position where someone has an idea that opposes yours and what he said is it basically makes people crazy you know it actually makes you crazy that that the idea in Psychology is that if you have a chain of thoughts leading to a bad outcome if you're depressed right if you're depressive then you have a chain of thoughts leading to a bad outcome the way that psychologists deal with that is with cognitive behavioral therapy they say okay where in this chain of thoughts are you going wrong are you attributing to somebody a motive they don't have right is your wife really being nasty or is it you just attributing nasty to her and that's why you're getting depressed you're spinning off right try to control your own chain of thoughts what the microaggression trigger warning culture does is it actually grants Val the more you are offended the more you are granted and therefore you have actually an interest in being offended we give you Awards if you're offended you're you're treasured if you're offended because it demonstrates that you're woke right you're the more you are offended the more we can show that you are woke and because you are woke therefore you are granted this virtue you get to lorded over everyone else I mean I say in my speech is if we could somehow identify like the LGBT half black half Hispanic one quarter Native American little person you know then we would finally have the the person who we could go to to answer all of our questions because their identity would be unable it' be yod right if we could find Yoda we could just get rid of democracy and discussion all together he could just rule from on high he she I don't want to put a gender on Yoda right I don't think Yoda's gender does Yoda guy it's got to be a guy or deep voice maybe we're being rude by insis but yeah you're you're absolutely right there no one is uh no one's left enough yeah it's it's I I don't know where the limit is uh and it's they're so far left that they've actually made common cause with the people they hate right so they talk about safe spaces Missouri you had all these black students protesting and they actually said we don't want white people who think like us and who want to help us in our safe spaces we feel insulted by that I just thought to myself well the KKK agrees like if you want to do safe spaces for separate races I can find some Jim Crow racist who are totally up for that from like 1962 well there's the other the really bizarre statement that I've heard over and over again that black people cannot be racist against white people because they don't have any power over white people yes wow which is just it's it's an a I mean it's an an a statement this idea that you have to have power in the superstructure in order for you even to be racist I could understand the argument if they said look you being racist is not connected to racist action if you don't have the capacity for Action that affects people then your personal racism is not as important as the racism of people in power that at least is an argument but the idea that you can't be racist at all if you're if you're black because black people don't have enough first of all the idea that black people have no power in the United States is utterly crazy I mean it's utterly crazy well especially when it was going on while a was President the Attorney General was was President I always said this about Baltimore we kept hearing you know Baltimore right where they had the riots they they had riots and they were saying well the Baltimore PD you know they're they're cracking down on black people okay the chief of police was black the majority of the city council was black and Democrat the entire the the deputy the district attorney who was Prosecuting the case was black the majority of the police department was minority the Attorney General of the un States was black the president of the United States was black but appar the majority of the city of Baltimore is black but apparently it's the white guys fault like I just at some point you're going to have to make your ideas actually work in concert with reality I can't I can't like do this with you do you ever step back and look at this trend and look at what's going on in popular culture and looking what's going on with identity politics and this war between the left and the right and wonder where it's going I mean how it feels like the people on the left are completely emboldened by the fact that you have this guy in office who has said things like grab him by the [ __ ] and he lies all the time and makes fun of people's plastic surgery and you you think that having this guy in in this position I guess in some way emboldens them and makes them even more convinced the fact they're right you know fight put up the resistance and hashtag resistance hashtag resist it's all over the place where does this go I think well no place good I think what's happening and it's one of the things that I personally am not a fan of and this goes all the way back to the PE Morgan debate that you mentioned I mean I started off that debate with Piers Morgan saying to him you don't get to attribute intent to me that I don't have right you're standing on the graves of the kids a Sandy Hook in order to promote your political agenda implying I don't care enough about dead kids because I don't agree with you that is the sweet spot where a lot of people like to live which is if we disagree on politics it's because you're an [ __ ] it's not it's not because we disagree on the best method to get to the goal or we have different goals is because you're a bad person and I think that what you're seeing is with Trump there's an attempt to cast all of his voters as people who love all of the things that are bad that he does and says it's not that they voted for him because they thought Hillary Clinton was the worst presidential candidate in the history of America which is true right so they voted for him because they like to grab him by the p word stuff right they voted for him because they like that he's vulgar and he lies a lot they voted for him because they are bad people right there this is why people misread I think Hillary Clinton's deplorable speech yeah the implication was okay everybody who voted for Trump is a bad human being they tried this with Romney too I mean they tried to castigate Romney who's whatever you can say about Mitt Romney Mitt Romney was maybe the most honorable person ever to run for the presidency they tried to cast him as Joe Biden said a guy who wants to put y'all back in Chains and he said that he there he straps dogs to the top of his car he's an evil nasty guy did he say that oh yeah yeah yeah this was a big issue in the campign straps dogs so there was there was a story I think was in the Boston Globe about how like back in 1982 he went on a family vacation and when they were TR in he put the dog in a cage and put the dog on the top of his car and this was like a big campaign issue right you remember binder full of women and you remember what he remember in 47% number pay right he's mean he hates the poor he hates women the binders full of women thing was particularly stupid because the entire point he was making is that I was trying to recruit women to my Administration so they would bring binders full of female resumés to me so I could staff more women and they turned it into binders full of women he's like Hugh Hefner yeah M Romney like really so this attempt to castigate the other side is is really bad and I think that you see some of that on the right but I think it's more reactionary I think that that the unearned moral superiority that the left likes to kind of wallow in I think that's that's more on the left than on the right although I think that there is an attempt by someone on the right now in response to to do some of that well it becomes these sticking points that you use to win you know and it becomes uh something that people repeat over and over again you know like the deplorable thing or racist sexist bigot homophobe yeah it's just I was walking down New York City uh down the street uh right after Trump won when they were protesting and there was this guy right next to me [ __ ] screaming he wasn't even in the actual parade itself he was like on the sidewalk but he was screaming Donald Trump KKK racist sexist anti-gay he had just boiled it down to this thing but the best part about it was he saw a black guy coming towards him and he just started screaming black lives matter and I just I you just I saw him I saw his soul like in that in that one move shift to screaming black lives matter when he saw a black guy whole thing was justly well there's the intersectionality for you right you know you have to know how to appeal to every racial group on on the basis of a stereotype it could have been Thomas so he wouldn't have known yeah it's almost like the the laziness in having the ability to communicate is one thing but having the ability to express a complete thought that covers something as nuanced and as complex as American politics in 2017 that's too hard so let's just yell out Donald Trump KKK and this this ability to like boil down what's the difference between the left and the right to like a little statement is or you know a bucket of deplorable basket of deplorables whatever it is you know binders of women it's so tempting cuz it's like it's so powerful that it works you could put it on the back of a bumper sticker and I think we've also been shaped a little bit by a look we we all live in Hollywood I mean you live in Hollywood I live in Hollywood that that means that and I think all of America lives in that mil because everyone watches TV everybody watches movies so when we do politics we tend to see it through the prism of House of Cards or or any of the other political movies you've ever seen and that means there's a bad guy right everybody there's a bad guy there's a villain and the villain has it can't just be that the villain is somebody who's incompetent like usually in politics if somebody is bad sometimes they have a a malevolent point of view that's pretty rare usually it's somebody who's misguided maybe they have some bad ideas usually they're just stupid or incompetent like this is what I keep saying to people who oppose Trump like why are you attributing to him malice when stupidity would do like you keep saying that everything Trump is doing is out of some sort of malicious genius are we watching the same film like if if you have a problem with trump it seems to I have a solution for the left by the way if they if they really hate Trump this much listen I thought Obama was a crappy president I have a deal how about we just minimize the power of Washington DC and then we don't have to give a crap who's the president of the United States you think anybody In 1832 really cared who the president was he had no impact on their lives but now the presidency has this outsized impact we care about Washington all the time we treat it I mean the truth is we watch it for fun I mean right now the last week particularly with scaramucci you know it's impossible not to watch it for fun but it's actually kind of serious business like there are other world leaders who are actually looking at this like this impacts my nation for us we look at it we go well I wonder what's on TV on tonight's episode of trump the series well when you say reduce the power of the president I think there's a lot of people that would think that would be a great idea because having one person has the authority over 300 plus million people it is kind of ridiculous at this point in time but how would you go about doing that like how what would be the best way to Implement something like that I mean it really isn't just the presidency you'd have to reduce the power of congress as well I mean you'd have to go back to a federalist based system where localities and states have more power over over local issues and the federal government just isn't that powerful because what's happened basically in the Constitutional structure the federal government was never supposed to be anywhere near this big right there are very certain delegated powers in the Constitution of the United States that Congress has and they are very small I mean it's things like building post offices and Interstate roads and regulating interstate commerce but the idea that they could regulate you know your toilet flushing is just that that's silly I mean the founders would have thought that was ridiculous yet you have a federal government that that's that's that big so Congress regulates on that but if you're in Congress the last thing you want is to be answerable for that so what you do instead is you drop vague statutes right you say things like we hope we're passing a law that says that we should fix the environment and then you kick it over to the executive branch and the executive branch you know run by President Trump or President Obama has a bunch of executive branch agencies like the EPA and the EPA puts together all these regulations that you've never seen never heard of you never elected these people they put together all the regulations and then those are the ones that actually govern your lives so if you're in Congress and things go bad you say well that's not what I meant to do I told them to do good stuff and the bureaucrats who are not elected don't have to care so basically you have everyone kicking the the can to the other person for purposes of responsibility the only way this is going to happen is if the American people just decide they're sick of the federal government running all this stuff and they start actively working to elect people who want to minimize their own power which is difficult I mean most people in power don't want to minimize their own power yeah that seems almost impossible it seems like no one who's worked so hard to get to the top of the game is going to try the the other way to do it is to elect people on the state level who are pretty zealous about their own authority right you've seen this from like Greg Abbott in Texas that every so often he'll say to the federal government listen you're telling me to do something go screw yourselves like what are you going to do about it well Texas is a weird one like they're almost ready to leave yeah like at any point in time they're ready to put off up and go [ __ ] you and I mean weren't they for the longest time they were uh they were not really a state right they were yeah they're still called the Republic of Texas right so so yeah I mean people in Texas I mean it's a wonderful State I I love that when you drive through Texas every single store is called lonar you know Lone Star Brewery or Texas this everything is named after the state like nothing is really named after the country it's all named after the state like a lot of State pride in Texas there's a lot of State pride maybe more than any place else I've ever been yeah well not a lot of State pride in California CU everybody's a transplant and yeah well there's some you know people who get here and it represents something that they always wanted you know some sort of a liberal Paradise where you could get famous for doing nothing I mean it kind of is that I feel like there's some City Pride like there's Hollywood Pride there's San Jose Pride but like California Pride I mean the people who run the state are idiots well California is so confused I mean we have a grizzly bear on our flag but we don't have grizzly bears we have a team called the Los Angeles Lake there's not a lake in the in the stage right yeah our Lakes are all man-made we have to keep pumping water them CU they [ __ ] dry up our river is just a giant concrete yeah Ravine LA River is hilarious when when I've shown people the LA River I'm like that's the LA River they're like shut up the Romantic real River like that's not a river no no no it's the LA River like it just it is La it's a [ __ ] concrete shitty slide for water and this city is so dirty I mean it's it could like I I've grown up my entire life here I mean I was born in Burbank grew up in North Hollywood like this is that I've lived here my entire life the first time I realized I liked it is when I moved to Boston for law school because at least the weather here is good but yeah I mean it's gotten so shabby lately it's such a Shabby City the weather's amazing but uh have you ever been to Mexico City no I've been a couple times for UFC events I'm not going back because I would get head EGS from the pollution and and what Mexico City to me is is like La in the future but with zero respect for the traffic lights when I mean zero I've never seen anything like it it's crazy they're very nice people like everybody's worried about getting kidnapped over there I find Mexican people to be some of the nicest people and real friendly and easy to get along with but they don't give a [ __ ] about traffic lights when we were stuck in traffic like there's Bumper to Bumper and it's a green light going this way cars just go in front of you and they just sort of make their way through and people hit the brakes and they make their way through the intersection it's a straight up red light and they just go and it's not just one one guy goes and another guy goes behind him and then you got like 20 cars and and it's just gridlock everywhere it's funny you say this but it's actually indicative of why the United States works that people actually follow traffic lights like like it's true in Italy also it's true in Israel like when I visited Israel with my wife when we got married like no one pays attention to the traffic rules everyone's honking their horns at each other I'm American so I'm like why are these people so rude all the time and my wife's like honk the horn she's Israel but it it is why like in America because we have a baseline this is what I think is breaking down actually so not to get too deep on a point about Mexican city traffic but I think that you know the country was based on this idea there's a social fabric we all have respect for each other enough that we're going to follow the basic rules of the game and that's true as far as traffic lights it's true as far as Financial dealings with one another and when you lose that when you lose the basic respect for the guy who lives next to you you know you you need to get through the red light you know screw him it doesn't matter if it's red then it's kind of indicative of a culture in collapse generally when small Rules start to go broken like in Italy the the problem in Italy is that 50% of their economy is Black Market because they have high tax rates and no one pays them you're starting to see that in California too California has the highest taxes in the country by far we also have the number one rate of deductions so we pass all these high taxes so we can you know congratulate ourselves for social justice and then we avoid all the taxes as much as we possibly can it's wonderful for the accountants yeah exactly those people are making a a freaking Fortune well I just also feel like when you get a giant number of people smashing into a small area and with LA it's not even a small area it includes greater Orange County and it goes into the Cano Valley and it's just like there's so many of us there's so many it's it's almost like you get that sort of diffusion of responsibility thing where there's just too many people to care about and you lose this uh feeling of value that you have for fellow people I lived in Boulder for a little while and when I lived there the people who Republic of Boulder you want to talk about lefties oh yeah holy [ __ ] if you have a if you had a a rightwing anything on your lawn like a sign for someone running for they would take it down they they literally take things down but um when I was there I was amazed at how many people are polite when they drive and they wave and like there's only 100,000 people exactly so that that that's what I was going to say I'm looking it up while we're sitting here it's like 110,000 people in bould and the population of LA county is 10 million people it's at least plus Mexicans you got to count Mexicans and then you got to count everybody's connected to all the other counties around it it's not like there's some board yeah just drive around that's exactly right so it's it is you the first time I visited Oklahoma I had this you I was in Oklahoma for doing a radio show Southern California look at that 23.7 s million yeah sorry yeah I'm in Oklahoma and I'm walking down the street and the first thing that and and this some lady and I catch eyes now in La you're from La you look away right you don't want to get stabbed you know so if if you catch eyes with somebody you me it's rude you don't catch eyes with people in LA and I'm walk down the street we catch eyes lady goes how are you I called my father I was like what the where am I what's going on here like this is not regular but I do think that there is something to the idea that if you have too many people in too small space we're all up in each other's business so much that it's very hard to to say to people okay Liberty stay away from one another leave each other alone it's like yeah but he lives next door and he's a jackass hate that guy cuz he's like right next to you in Oklahoma the guy next to you is three miles down the road there's that and there's also um it's been replicated in Rat population density studies that you get more mental illness you get more uh weird aggressive behavior when they stack rats in these cubicles and then just Jam them closer and closer together and that's exactly what's happening with people to what Manhattan is famous for it I mean I I I enjoy visiting Manhattan and every time I'm there I'm always like no I can't I can't live here too many humans I was I was there last week and I like the sky so you can't actually see the sky in Manhattan right I mean you see these brick buildings you know 25 stories high and I know noted that uh we were walking P past the store and there was a shirt on sale and the shirt's entire text was fuu fing F and I thought only in New York could you sell this right I mean you try to take this anywhere else and people would have been like wait what now but New York I'm sure that's a best seller that's why honestly I think it's one of the reasons why Trump won is because he's basically just a guy from New York he's like a taxi driver from New York who's really really wealthy and you know he does what a taxi driver from New York would do if you're really really wealthy he marries models and builds gold toilets and all this kind of stuff and people in the rest of the country actually take that language seriously so when he says stuff like yeah we're going to bomb the [ __ ] out of him you people in New York like yeah that's what we do you know and people in Oklahoma like wow he's serious like that's actually going to happen and it's like probably not probably that's just how people from New York kind of talk we saw this last week right he was talking about the cops and he was saying this thing about covering their heads he's talking like a long Islander you know he's talking about like you know you they throw them in the back of the Patty wagon and we do all the and and you don't put your head on the fine they bump their head they just Mel him and so the entire media went how dare he he's talking about how cops should rough people up listen is it appropriate for the president of the United States to talk like that about treatment of suspects no is are we supposed to take this super seriously like this is like Trump is actually recommending a policy change with regard to work the room that's what he does he works the room he's he's a New York real estate guy who works the room and more than anything else if you understand New York and you understand La you understand Trump he's not a giant mystery right he's just any other reality TV star he's a reality he's a marketing image guy I mean that's what he does like he's not that great at real estate he puts his name on the side he Brands himself he puts his name on the side of buildings they pay him not to be involved in the real estate business so they can put Trump on the side of his hotels great I mean that's what he does that's why I'm kind of shocked that he's kind of crappy at the Imaging as far as being a president you you'd imagine that he'd be better at this part of it at least I just think he didn't understand the volume of hate that was going to come his way and I think he's such an egomaniac he has a hard time dealing with it he has a hard time like separating and that's one of the things that I've read about him that he's getting better at getting away from the comments and not reading comments on Twitter but he [ __ ] blocks people and so you know about that yeah yeah somebody sued him yeah well there's people a group of people suing them and now they're actually starting to rule against public officials people who are in the public light being able to block citizens that and having their own opinion about what this person is doing or not doing so then you have to say well are you allowed to be vulgar towards the president I mean how how far does that go I mean what are you allowed to say I mean my view is you should be able to say whatever the hell you want about anybody but can't threaten him well threaten him obviously but it's it does go more to the the level of of pettiness he's the most powerful man on the planet he's busy blocking people on Twitter at 3:00 in the morning well that whole Joe Scarboro and what is her name m bin bloody he was saying that she sh this is the [ __ ] president he's saying she showed up with bloody scars or she was bleeding from her recent facelift exactly and it's first of all it turns out that it probably wasn't true but of course it wasn't true who the [ __ ] goes out when you're bleeding I agree with you but it's and and but this I I wrote a piece about in National Review about this you know you say that the level of hatred directed toward Trump is warping Trump I think that it's also warping some people on my side of the aisle who are who are so you know interested in the fight that they're less interested in advancing the policies that I'd like to see achieved so I think there's a whole group of people where let's say that Trump would just resign tomorrow he'd say you know what I've had it screw it I'm out and Mike Pence becomes president and then Mike Pence proceeds to do all the things conservatives want him to do you know tax reform and we limit immigration and we do do all of these things but but he does not tweet about mik brin's Bloody Face I think there's like a whole group of people on the right who' be pissed they'd miss it I think that right I think especially now cuz it's fun what exactly what they want is somebody who pisses off the left more than beats the left pisses them off if you piss off the left I think Obama sort of trolled some of the right into Insanity I think there are a lot of people on our side where is like this jerk he just he keeps saying things just to piss us off and Obama did do some of that and so so TR Trump is kind of a Twitter Troll and so he he does the same thing we're like yeah that's awesome like two days ago Trump or yesterday there was a report that Trump said that he thinks the White House is shabby now I can say as somebody on the conservative right my entire life if Obama said that we would not let him forget that for 1,000 years that the White House is shabby I mean it's an ass move to say that the people's house is sh first of all it's a mansion right like and second of all this is the most iconic building on the face of the planet and oh It's Shabby how was it shab what was he saying it was shabby he said he they were asking him why he visit visits his golf courses so much and he said oh because the because because my golf courses are nicer cu the White House is shabby and and but there are people on the right who are like fine it's funny like you know at least he's trolling the left at least it's ticking them off and guys ticking off the left is not a substitute for defeating the left if you actually care about defeating the left like this is one of the things that drives me nuts because my you know one my life goal has been to promate particular ideas not just to piss off the left but I think that in the fight there are a lot of people who have fallen into the Trap of thinking these two things are identical right you piss off the left that means you're winning it's like no pissing off the left may be part of it but that's not how you win you win by saying things that are true and if they get pissed well my good friend Bill Bird did this piece about Obama back when Obama was mocking Trump and saying the one thing that I am that you'll never be is the president of the United States the crowd went nuts you remember when he did that and Obama was saying this on stage and you see Trump in the audience boiling with his you know big frog double chin just sitting there there eating it all and that [ __ ] stuck in his craw there's there's a whole story that came out from BuzzFeed about his interaction with a guy named McKay cins a reporter for BuzzFeed in which McKay was basically like saying to Trump like you're a joke you're not going to run I I think Trump ran just to just because he was sick of people telling him that he wasn't going to be president like I really think that's that's half of what drives him that doesn't mean that he can't do good things I hope he does do good things he's the president I want every president to do things I like but you know he's going to have to get it under control a little bit because I mean he was willing to keep the mooch I mean the mooch the mooch was only ousted because of John Kelly and the mooch is what did what did the mooch say what was his was about Steve Bannon sucking his own [ __ ] yeah that's exactly right about him performing why would he think that he could say that once he's in the off I mean first of all why would you think that Steve Bannon could even possibly do that I mean bannon's not that flexible I know Steve that's that's not that's not something St repertoire a giant unit but it it doesn't matter just the idea that he would think I mean it's he must be in Olden by the fact that Trump has said so many outrageous things well I mean there were reports from the New York Post that that he actually that Trump liked it that all that happened is that there was so much blowback that he had to replace Kelly and he puts Kelly in there and Kelly's like you can't do this right and Trump's like okay fine but doesn't it seem more crazy to fire a guy after 10 days than it does to sit him down and say hey man don't say that again apologize let's move forward that's what they should have done the next day but the problem is he'd been doing it for a week at that point right he was out there like saying that R's prus was leaking on the president and was anemy the president for a week and he saying that he was going to get him fired right and at the same time remember this is the same week that Trump himself is tweeting out that Attorney General Sessions who is his most loyal supporter for a year and a half that that guy is like a traitor right and that he wishes he would go away cuz he recused himself yeah first of all Trump can fire any of these people at any time like this is very passive aggressive for a guy who made his living saying you're fired on TV it's amazing that all the people that Trump has fired have been fired actually through surrogates yeah and Mike Flynn resigned James Comey was fired basically through Rod Rosenstein and sessions and then Rosenstein had to recuse himself which is how you get the special counsel and Comey found out on television on TV right he say like Emissary to go to La and and give him a letter and like everyone he fires has to be fired in the most roundabout I think that Trump actually this I think the Dirty Little Secret is I'm not sure Trump actually likes firing people I I think I think I think he kind of like tort I think he kind of likes torturing people but I'm not sure that he actually likes firing them well he maybe he doesn't like people being mad at him face to face think he wants them to love him in front his face so like when he's not there you know he can make a phone call fire him you're fire Jetson hang up the phone and you don't have to actually see the guy he he wants that guy to like him yeah I don't the Comey thing was really bizarre because it was like oh you can do that like you this this guy is looking into improprieties and you can just say no you can't do that anymore you're fired you can't look into the things I've done wrong yeah it was well the way he did it was the stupid part so I was calling for call me to be fired since last year I thought the way he handled the whole Hillary thing from beginning to end was terrible I thought that Trump should have replaced him before he became you know as basically day one here's my new cabinet Comey did a great job you know Usher him out the door bringing somebody new he kept him around and then the first thing he said to Comey you remember was when he met him he said you're more famous than I am well when Trump says that to you you know that's that's the writing on the wall right there first of all it's not true but second of all I think maybe there was also a part of the problem was that comey's a giant yes you know comey's what does he 68 69 yeah something like that giant dude towered over the whole thing is such a comedy and and Comey Sayang he was trying to hide in the curtains to avoid Trump so you just see Herman Monster over there hiding in the curtains yeah it's it's weird now what did you I'm enjoying the show I mean it's it's wild if if I didn't think that nuclear war was a possibility I'd probably enjoy it more but if I see a [ __ ] Korean missile headed our way I'm going to be pissed um when Comey was handling the email thing what specifically did you not like about it what I thought was was crazy was when he restarted or reopened the case because of Huma having used her computer with Anthony weeners all that stuff I was like that's not enough like that seems crazy the the deleting the emails to me seemed like I had Mike Baker on from the CIA and he said essentially anyone else would be in jail for what she did for sure for sure for sure right and well Comey this so he screwed it up and then he screwed it up so when he originally said publicly we're not going to prosecute Hillary Clinton he was doing something he didn't have the authority to do the FBI does not decide whether to prosecute people they refer the information to the doj and then the doj decides whether to prosecute people it was attorney general Loretta Lynch's decision whether to prosecute or not the statute itself I mean I'm a lawyer the statute itself did not say do you have intent to commit Espionage do you have intent to to uh make classified Secrets public or expose them to the possibility of being made public intent is not an element of the crime right if you do it it's a crime so my wife is a do she's a doctor and that means that she is under Hippa requirements there's no element under Hippa that says that if she reveals somebody's you know proprietary medical information by accident well there's no intent so she's okay that's not part of the statute if she brings somebody's medical records out to her car and somebody steals the medical records you know if she's working at the VA or something that's a crime it doesn't matter if she intended to do it and just left it in her purse so Comey read the element of intent into the crime to get Hillary off and then he said okay we're not going to prosecute this we're going to leave it alone he shouldn't have intervened in the first place remember he made an entire case basically for why she should be prosecuted and then at the end he goes but we're you know but no we're not going to do that he also said we're going to keep Congress updated on any future development well you get to October and there's a future development they found this laptop with all sorts of information on it with new emails from Hillary Clinton that they haven't seen before and now he has an obligation to inform Congress because he told them that he would and so he screws the pooch again because he's afraid that if he doesn't reveal that information Hillary goes on to win and then then it comes out there's something criminal then people are going to blame him for Hillary winning and putting a criminal in the white house so instead he oh well I'll be fully transparent I have to honor my institution I'm going to put this out there of course then Hillary loses and now he screwed it up twice and then he gets into the White House and now he's supposed to be investigating the Trump Russia stuff at the same time so now he's investigating basically both candidates in the 2016 election he handled this the wrong way every step of the way because he was so focused on what will uphold the in the Integrity of the FBI and the Integrity of of the investigations and the Integrity of the doj he was less worried about okay what do I actually have to do under the law what's my obligation under the law his obligation under the law was to shut his pie hole hand the information over to Lynch if Lynch wanted to kill the investigation let her do it so in a sense Trump was right in saying that he's a grandstander yeah for sure I mean I think that part was right but the problem remember was not the firing of Comey it was that two days after he fired Comey he went to Lester Holt on NBC and he said the reason I fired Comey was not all the excuses I gave about the the Hillary stuff it's because of the Russia stuff I was angry about how he was handling Russia I mean that's really stupid yeah that's intensely stupid it's intensely stupid but it's also strange that it didn't go anywhere right like that was it like that that's against the law well it's so it's you know obstruction so obstruction looking at the statutes obstruction is a little bit more than that so you have to actually obstruct an ongoing investigation into criminal activity there's a Counter Intelligence investigation going on but not necessarily a criminal one so not to get too specific about it but well that is specific but you should get specific about it yeah I mean the obstruction laws I mean I've looked into kind of the statutes that they've used to suggest obstruction and it's not clear that there's any statute that specifically governs something like this plus it is true that Trump does have the power as the chief executive to fire as the commanderin-chief to fire the FBI director for any reason he chooses now all that said he can be impeached for any reason criminal or non-criminal right impeachment is not a you don't actually have to have committed a crime to be impeached well most people don't even understand what impeach means they think that some or another impeach means you get kicked out of office that's not what it is there there's the house and they have to vote to impeach you and then there's the Senate and they have to vote by a two-thirds majority or 60 yeah I think it's 2/3 majority to actually convict you of a set of crimes that they come up with but these are all political definitions right when it says High crimes and misdemeanors it doesn't mean they actually have to prosecute you like they would in a criminal court and you'd have to go to jail or any of that kind of stuff like they could impeach anybody at any time Clinton didn't even have to commit perjury if they didn't want if they wanted to you know impeach him they could they could have impeached W every president you can impeach it's just a vote so all the talk about what's criminal and what's not criminal the problem for Trump there two ways of reading Trump's behavior in the whole Russia thing right way one is he's got something to hide and that's the most obvious way he's got something to hide that's why he gets rid of Flynn we don't know why he got rid of Flynn he gets rid of Comey we don't really know why he got rid of Comey and then brags to the Russians that it took pressure off him on the Russia stuff yeah so so way one is he's hiding something and now he's firing everybody who gets in the way and there's you know the chain of evidence doesn't not fit that I mean you know he the people he's anry at in order are Attorney General Sessions the deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein the former head of the FBI James Comey the acting head of the FBI mcabe uh and uh and the special prosecutor right Robert Mueller so those are all people involved with Russia those are the only people he's really angry at so there's something to be said for the idea that maybe he's trying to hide something on the other hand we haven't actually seen any hard evidence of collusion itself so we saw an attempt to collude by Donald Trump Jr but we haven't actually seen any evidence that the Russians were providing special information to the Trump Administration which was then being weaponized for use in the campaign we haven't seen any of that stuff so here's the other plausible Theory and this goes to Trump's personality he's so petty and he wants to be loved so much that he is angry that people keep saying he run he won because of the Russians and so now every time people say that he just gets pissed and he fires people so Comey I mean this is totally plausible right Comey comes to him and has said privately that you are not under investigation and Trump says to him well why don't you just say that and Comey says well I can't say that because if I say that I'm gonna have to update Congress if you do fall under investigation and Trump doesn't like that he wants the public to know he's free and clear so he fires Comey and then he goes up public and he says I didn't like how he was handling the Russia thing I'm innocent why won't these people leave me alone right so so there's two ways to read this either he's totally innocent but stupid or he's trying to hide something those are the only two plausible ways of reading the situation the Donald Trump Jr thing was really bizarre because he released all the emails like I just just almost like look I've got nothing to hide like you aren't supposed to do any of these things you're saying in these emails yes that was that was not a good moment for for Trump Jr do you think he got I mean and then you hear that he was coached by his dad again you know this is none of this is good stuff I I think that Donald Trump Jr releasing the email first of all it is imperative to note eight minutes later the New York Times released basically the email chain right so he was beating it out of the gate and so he puts that out there which is a smart move I mean it it would be smart be smart if he had found a way to spin it right right like if he had done it if he had done this is the thing in politics now the way politics works now is your smartest move if there's dirt about you is to be the first person out the gate with it and you put a spin on it right so like Barack Obama imagine if Obama hadn't said anything in 2008 and then we found out a week before the election that he did Coke in high school now a lot of people wouldn't care a lot of people would right in 2000 George W Bush was hit with a DUI charge from like 1973 and it it probably lost him a point in the polls so what Obama did is he wrote an entire Memoir and he just kind of dismissed it right in the middle of the Memoir he goes you know when I was in high school did a little blow no problem did a little blow everybody and everybody went oh okay did a little blow all right you know cool so if you're going to release this kind of stuff you have to put a spin on it Trump Jr didn't he just put out the emails and the emails themselves contain the damning material right it says right in there right you know there's a Russian government lawyer the Russian government sees this as part of its effort to Aid Mr Trump's campaign and Donald Junior's like Thumbs Up Guys he was like I love it sounds awesome meet and so that does not look good it's not quite as much as you know people on the left want to say it is meaning that there's no evidence yet that any information was actually exchanged with the Russians or that anything came of the meeting most of the people in the meeting who have said something have said nothing came of it you know but we don't know whether Trump knew about the meeting I find it kind of hard to believe he didn't you know considering every major campaign figure was there but but you know and then they then they just keep lying and this is this is the part that's Pro that's a problem are they lying because they just think they can get away with it and they're stupid or they lying because they're actually being meticulous about their lies now I tend to think the former because this isn't a professional Administration I think these I think Trump you know fibs a lot he says things that I mean like on stupid things he says things like the leader of the Boy Scouts called me and told me that he loved my speech speech ever and then the leader of the boy scout's like uh what so so is that a calculated lie to hide something or is it just that Trump Lies by nature and so he does it a lot well I think he's just so used to putting that that spin on things that publicity spin right and the thing that he said about this was that this is what politics this is what happens in politics you get dirt about your enemy and people exchange information it's just what happens it's just you're seeing it now so a lot of people are like yeah well that makes sense right and and this is something that again I think that we're shaped by Hollywood a little bit politics is dirty but some of this stuff is not usual right it's actually not particularly usual to meet with a a government that is really not friendly to the United States to receive information about your political opponents but if you've watched House of Cards you think well I mean that's like two steps down from throwing somebody under a Subway so uh I don't because I I work in politics and when I go home at night the last thing I want to do is watch entertainment about politics now watch Game of Thrones that's as political As It Gos yeah House of Cards is a great show but if it's half right like I always wonder the thing the thing that gets me is when people suicide themselves that are on their way to trial I'm like okay I don't want to be that [ __ ] guy I don't want to be that tin foil hat guy but how many people are going to Suicide themselves I mean you for sure someone's been murdered somewhere along the line someone knew something some powerful people got to them and they murder them it's going to happen it has happened it must have happened I mean I I think it happens a lot in Russia I don't think that I don't believe what Trump said and again I think this is what Trump has a skewed vision of what politics is and because he thinks that the outer limit of politics is Russia he thinks anything inside that limit is now okay but do you think it's ever happened in the United States or just in Russia like political assassinations uh I can't name a specific example of where it has I think that that's are you open to the possibility I'm open to I mean if someone me l Johnson you think Lyon Johnson whack somebody I don't think lynon Johnson whacked anybody what about Kennedy uh I don't think that Kennedy whacked anybody what about Hillary uh I don't think Hillary whacked anybody if I had up if I had my last thousand bucks I'd be super tempted to bet on black I'd be super tempted to go you know what I think she went dark and then she's whacked a few people let's go let's see what we got here I want to see white water I'd want to see Vince Foster I want to see that Enron guy who shot himself in the head twice there's a few i' if I could really if I could you know man I think it's happened I just don't know who I'm sure it's happened at some point but again if I don't know who and when I'm hesitant to I think that we and I think that we tend to think things are regular when they are I me that' be really irregular right so we tend to think that this stuff is happening like every day and that's why you see Trump on TV saying well Putin like America hasn't killed people and it's like well no not quite like Putin like Putin legitimately murders his his journalistic enemies yes like I haven't seen you trying to double tap Jake Tapper so I'm pretty sure no it's not a regular thing around here even Obama wasn't trying to like kill Chris Wallace right but maybe they you know maybe I don't know well Putin is obviously the extreme example right well obviously the extreme example is uh North Korea but Putin is in that range like a totally feared essentially a dictator who's uh I mean there a bunch of them right I mean erdogan and turkey uh the Maduro yeah Assad Maduro now in Venezuela who's literally his political oppon like a complete dictatorship and this is very recently right but America is a I mean would you believe it if I said like leaders in France had people regularly whacked I I'd find it a little bit hard to believe I don't think we're significantly worse than France in the whacking people in politics business I don't think regularly but I think every now and then the move is I'm open to the possibility but I'd have to see the evidence the lawyer and me well I don't think we're House of Cars I don't think it gets that ridiculous but the point I'm making is if you think that's a regular thing if you think that not like a rare thing and maybe once in a while you know once every 20 years somebody gets whacked quietly for political reason if you think that's like a regular thing then fibbing is like way inside the line right right like you you hiding documents is really or or you like writing your son's stupid statement about a stupid Email exchange and then fibbing about it publicly like that's really inside the line so again I don't think that I think some of this I have a rule about the Trump Administration I never attribute to malev what I can attribute to stupidity because I think that that's more likely to be the case it's like the aam razor of of the Trump Administration I think that is a smart way to think but I think sometimes malevolence is real like like remember the Gary kage Shandra leevy thing yeah that was weird that was a weird one where if for people don't know the story this guy was having an affair the girl turned up dead and uh then 911 happened right away afterwards so people kind of forgot about it but they they found her body in the park and everybody was like Jesus Christ like this is a woman that was about to testify that she was having an affair with this guy and that one was a good one in terms not not a good one obviously a terrible one terms of so let me say this I think that you know if there's murder in politics it'll probably tend to fall more into the personal than the political yeah it'll probably fall Less in terms of like I have a political Vendetta against this guy and I'm going to kill him we haven't really done much of that since Alexander Hamilton and and Burr um but it's but there are I mean listen Teddy Kennedy left a woman in the back of his car a body of water so right drunk driving right that was the thing with him he just didn't want to be responsible for something horrible that he did similar to Dick Cheney not meeting with the police for like something like 18 hours after he shot his friend in the face yeah I mean I don't think he was trying to assassinate his friend he was just drunk hunting and that that's maybe yeah I mean I would imagine I can't rule that one out so yeah but honestly I'll find Teddy Kennedy a little more suspicious you leave the woman in the back of the car swim out of the car go to a house sleep come back the next day and my God she's dead well yeah it turns out when you leave somebody underwater for 12 hours they tend to do that it's weird how that works well unless he was so drunk that he didn't know what he was doing which can happen you can get blackout drunk where you wake up and you go wait a minute did I crash my car so I don't drink that heavily is that really a thing like you climb out the window of the car swim out to the river bank go to somebody's house come back like a day later they like oh [ __ ] there was a girl in the back seat had it happen but I have had I've had what I would call slideshow nights you know where I get hammered and then like I wake up in the morning with a pounding headache and and I just just have these flashes in my head like who is that person like where was I where were we oh yeah there was that and then that you'll eat breakfast with your friends they go you remember that thing and you go oh yeah Jesus so it's not necessarily blackout like I did something horrible and I completely forgot about it but I forgot a lot of it okay but some people I have a friend and he goes gerbal eyes there's a switch that goes off three or four shots in and he he's gone and he's not there anymore and you almost got to like Nerf the world around him protect him and get him in his bed and he wakes up in the morning he doesn't know a thing about what happened and it's really bizarre it's a legit him do terrible things to him while he's we're nice to him but your your instinct is to get the [ __ ] away from him and just let horrible things happen but uh the stories are legendary but he does he gets shark eyes he gets these black like soulless eyes where he's gone and you go oh no he's gone yeah it's weird but I I wonder what that is I feel like that's a neurological issue I feel like if if alcohol does that to you there's probably like some switches that aren't connected right in the head I would imagine there's something going on yeah yeah yeah so Teddy Kennedy who knows I mean he was obviously a raging alcoholic and that could have been a part of the problem I mean literally might have gone home not even knowing that he killed somebody I mean that would have to be his that his only defense so you'd imagine well that was one of the things that they said they were would have used as a defense again with OJ that OJ with the CTE that he might not have even known what he was doing that he might have flown into some blackout rage that that would been an amazing defense like I would like to hear that like everyone who has CTE now gets to like run around chopping up their ex-wife and Rand who end up at their house like that'd be that's a hell of a defense sort of like the twinky to right yeah well the twinkie defense was hilarious but there are people that think that you know there you're going to see more and more things like that out of former NFL players with massive brain trauma issues it's it's it's actually a serious legal question you know like there's always question this was a couple weeks ago this kid doesn't even know he did this oh god oh wow former NFL player Devon Hall accused of killing his mother he doesn't remember yeah he's like in jail right now doesn't recall at all yeah well that's real I mean yeah I I don't find that wildly implausible I mean the fact is that we have an insanity defense I mean and what it means is you don't know right from wrong well if you don't know what you're doing like if this is something they teach in law school if you're sleepwalking you kill somebody there's no motive so it's difficult to like you need mental treatment but do should you be in jail for that not not really I mean they've had cases where people are like sleepwalking and they think that and they're dreaming at the same time so they think that their wife is actually like uh this defense has been used where they think their their wife is some sort of monster in the rooms they like clubber to death and then they wake up and they're like oh that was my wife it's really creative defense or it's true I mean one of the two so well if we know that people can go crazy and we know that brain trauma is a real issue the two of them together I mean there's something about getting knocked around in the head where it's so completely unpredictable and then you add in this impulsive nature of their behavior that happens there's something really weird about uh brain trauma it it it it causes a lot of very strange impulsive behavior behavior in people they they really can't understand even why they're behaving the way they're behaving it's just not good obviously this is way off track but it's uh what my point is it's not that far from politics to Brand trauma you don't want a former NFL player being the [ __ ] president that's they did the CTE study there was 111 players and 110 of them had CTE I mean then you tell me I mean you have more experience with this I mean I didn't find that shocking at all I mean they've been calling people punch drunk since 1910 so well see the thing is when you get to that when you get to the slurring your words part You're So Gone like you're already gone there's a lot of people that have CTE that speak really well and they're very articulate and they're very reasonable and you wouldn't even understand that they're dealing with all these this host of neurological issues the by the time your vo obviously I'm not a neurologist but by the time as it's been explained to me your voice is slurring and you're dealing with like real heavy duty symptoms like you're [ __ ] like you're So Gone like you're you you're you're way off the deep so here's a weird question for you I mean what what would you do about like I think the NFL is going to start losing viewers because of this I think they are I think you're right and you know I wonder about MMA do you it's a it's a factor I think there's there's two things going on there's the [ __ ] it Factor where people like I don't care I want to watch people get their ass kicked it's fun it's exciting people love it it's consensual it's Primal yeah and people know what they're signing up for when they do it they know the consequences of it and it's worth the glory to be the guy who delivers it versus the guy who receives it so I think there's that uh but then there's also look you know like the Colin Kaepernick thing I think that probably cost a lot of ratings for the NFL did there was yeah there was that poll that came out that said I think of the 12% of people who said that they were not watching NFL games last year 28% of that 12% said that the Kaepernick national anthem thing was the reason yeah I mean some it probably emboldened them they probably liked it and they wanted to watch it more this was fascinating about the cultural breakdown of the country basically white people hated it and black people loved it this is this is this is how the polls were like 72% of black people thought it was great and like an equal percentage of white people thought that it was just terrible which is which is a fascinating look at at sort of how race relations work in the country at large it's actually one of the reasons I think that ESPN's been losing ratings like I used to watch ESPN religiously and now I I all I want is to just watch my sports and not be bothered with the politics cuz I say I do that during the day and it's a pet peeve of mine that every time I turn on ESPN after a lecture about Caitlyn Jenner or about black lives matter it's like shut up Caitlyn Jenner hasn't even been athletically relevant for since before I was born in 1984 well the Caitlin Jenner piece when they did it for ESPN and I don't know if this is true or not but the word was that her getting athlete of the year or whatever the award was that she got like hero of the year like the hero of the Year award yeah hero uh was directly tied to the exclusive interview with Diane Sawyer that makes sense they sold the two of them together as a package deal which I buy 100% if you don't come on think about you how TV works if that's the cas where she came from she's a [ __ ] Kardashian okay she's a a giant Kardashian that's what she is now notice I'm saying she you're saying she I would say very politically correct yeah I'm not um but the video where they circled her house and she was like moving in the shadows behind the drapes did you ever see that no it was wonderful she Ian it was like the first time she was revealing herself as this woman so they're circling her house she's this glorious house and like looks like it's in Malibu or somewhere where they're circling the house and it's in the hills with a helicopter like filming it's like [ __ ] high production value [ __ ] this isn't just like hey you know we met with Caitlyn at home Caitlyn tell us your troubles you know like Kristen Beck the former Navy SEAL you know who just sits down very reasonably and says this just feels better for me this is who I am right no no there was like curtains and shadows and it was mysterious and and then she starts talking like w you know I've always been a man you're like w God and then there was the weird weirdest part where she said she got surgery but it doesn't make me any I was it wasn't like I was any less of a man or less of a woman before the surgery well this is the case about gender right well then why get the surgery that was like this is well there there are a lot of questions as to the logic of all of this you you call Caitlyn she Caitlyn Jenner is a biological man sorry triggered sorry to break this to to some all the people who listen to your show Caitlyn Jen I had a tweet this week all the people that listen probably agree with you at least a good a good amount do the number one retweeted tweet I have ever had had I tweeted I think a day ago and has 120,000 likes and it's it was there was a headline from CNN that said transgender man gives birth to trans what it was it was transgender man uh assigned the female sex at Birth gives birth to healthy baby boy and so I tweeted woman gives birth to boy because it's a woman I mean like that's not a headline I'm sorry like I'm just because the woman believes she's a man doesn't make her a man like biology still exists sex still exists if you want to say she's a woman who feels like a man that's fine if you want to say that and by the way I don't even care if she gets hormone treatments or if she wants to have surgery like it's a free country what the hell you want but when you start insisting that I you that I just throw biology out the window I don't understand why that's any better than I as a religious person saying every time you say something you have to mention God right like I don't have the right to do that to you like well that's idiotic are you fascinated by it are you fascinated by the transgender like the I'm fascinated by societ obsession with it yes that's a good way of saying it there's a there's not just a an obsession it's it's compulsory and it's rabid so I think that there's a couple of things that are going on one is that it's it's very dark but I think that there is an element of like this is different and we get to Revel in the in the weirdness of it but we're going to pretend that it's all about the Civil Rights of it right we're going to feel like special because we're because we're on their side right we're not watching Caitlyn Jenner because it's a curiosity and because it's weird and entertaining we're doing it because we're on Caitlyn Jenner's side people forever yeah right I mean Renee Richards was a trans person right yeah I mean but it's happened throughout history I mean there's there's what was I reading a couple of days ago about a Roman like the there was something about reports of some trans soldier in the Roman army you know more than a thousand years ago it's got to be if it's if it exists now and it's existed before it was popular yeah I mean there's got to be a lot of people that turn trans now just because it's exciting oh there it is right there a trans soldier in the ancient Roman army that wouldn't of course that it wouldn't it wouldn't be surprising I'm not shocked I mean it's a condition I mean the DSM called it gender identity disorder and then they called it gender dysphoria it's it's a condition I mean like I'm gend Doria and but that in a lot of people's mind is labeling it somehow or a negative well I mean it is highly linked to suicidality there's a 40% lifetime suicide rate for people who have this particular gender disorder that seems to me not to be like a great positive whether or not they transition yeah I mean again I don't care if you transition do what you want to do but but the idea that that we as an entire Society have to redefine what sex is and we have to Blind ourselves to what biology is this is something I'm not willing to do I think that it's actually damaging to kids particularly I'm more than willing to call her a she and change but you can only change your name once I'm willing to call Caitlyn Jenner Caitlyn Jenner I'm not willing to call Caitlyn Jenner or she oh because you can't change her sex you can change her name to whatever you want I don't care but you can't she Caitlyn Jenner is not a chicken Caitlyn Jenner is not a woman Caitlyn Jenner is a man a biological man and if a man lost his penis and and you know in in a tragic accident it wouldn't make him a woman and if he were born with a high doses of estrogen in his bloodstream he would also a woman you're determined by your chromosomes and this not even talking about interex people like interex is an actual status interex is a biological status but this nonsense that if you Joe Rogan decide tomorrow that you are a woman no surgeries nor homeown no homeown nothing you just tomorrow you wake up and not not decide but you feel like a woman then you have always been a woman we must treat you as a woman you don't have to change anything about yourself for us to even determine whether you're a woman we just like no I'm sorry no I mean like I had mental illness I I had a grandfather I got I get so much [ __ ] for this but I had a this is not me being unsympathetic to people who suffer from a condition that is really tragic and and obviously harms people you know in terms of the again the rates of suicide and depression are astounding my my grandfather was a was a bipolar schizophrenic and it would have not been good for him or my family if people had said to him Nate you're right the radio is talking to you Nate you're right the curtains are talking to you he went they put him in a mental hospital they gave him lithium and then he was better and he could actually live a normal relatively happy life there's no good treatment for gender identity disorder gender dysphoria whatever you want to call it but to suggest that it is a condition that doesn't require treatment that really it's just that you're actually brain female again this is ascientific there's no scientific evidence to back this whatsoever even these studies that have been done talking about there's a female brain and a male brain first of all if you say this to a feminist you're a sexist right right if you say to a feminist there's a female brain and a male brain and male brain works differently than the female brain the feminist will look at you like how dare you well it's also one of the rare times where you're allowed to celebrate classic definitions of female Beauty when a man Embraces them when he becomes a woman lipstick high heels short skirt this is like not Jenner Caitlyn Jenner was only a woman when Caitlyn Jenner was on the cover of Vanity Fair and aier right right but if if he had just said listen I look exactly the same as I did yesterday but I'm a woman yeah if he got a short haircut and dressed like Billy Jean King right it's the reason why the why the media loves lever Cox because leverne Cox has had surgeries and looks a lot like woman so I don't know who L the guy from uh well the the transgender woman from uh Orange is the New Black I never watched that show I've never watch that show either but she's on the cover of Time Magazine oh or he's on the cover of Time Magazine well there was the woman in that show isn't that the one where the girl who Ruby Ro is that the girl that's L Cox okay there go that's a woman or a man that's a man it used to be a man it's a woman now very tricky no still a man but transgender how [ __ ] I'm so out of the loop I'm that old man who I always that headline there right right it says America's next civil rights Frontier and that's the key you have a bunch of people in the United States who are suggesting that they want the next civil rights fight always the next civil rights fight right so the Civil Rights fight is immigration or the Civil Rights fight is gay marriage or the Civil Rights fight is transgenders okay how about this how about there was only one real civil rights fight and it was about black people who had been historically oppressed in the United States for 200 years there had been slaves yes who had been slaves transgenders this is correct okay the worst that Caitlyn Jenner had experienced was being incredibly wealthy in a in a in a high net worth suburb this say the transgender people don't you know aren't discriminated against in some in some areas of American life I'm sure that's true but it's also like behavior is not the same as being born black or being born Asian or being born with you know uh disabled like if if I'm a business owner and I hire you and you're a man and you come in the next day and you're dressed in in a woman's clothing saying you're a woman but you still have a full beard like I don't see why I as a business owner I'm expected to eat the cost of that like that just that seems that seems bizarre to me eat the cost is a great way to phrase it I didn't have a dog in this fight I didn't I I was completely open and liberal about it until there was a case where a man who had been a man for 30 years became a woman for a little less than two years and then started MMA fighting women ex beating the [ __ ] out of these women and and not proclaiming that he you or she used to be a man because because what in quotes it was a medical condition that I did not need to disclose like that's not a [ __ ] medical condition and if you ever watch the fights she she wasn't winning because she was skillful she was [ __ ] manhandling these women it was ugly of course of course like this is but again it's it's so funny how the transgender movement destroys the feminist movement by living off of the the sort of lies that the feminist movement promulgated the feminist movement said stupid things like women and men equally athletic efficient well that's something that has been repeated very recently that there's no biological difference in the genders and it's all social absolute horseshit I mean I'm sorry there's there's no scientific evidence to back that and it's particularly true with regard to actual physical capacity this is just nonsense not just no scientific evidence but a mountain yeah yeah I mean mountain of it against my favorite study on this is you know there was you remember there was that those commercials about like throwing like a girl running like a girl remember there feminist commercials saying what is it to be running like a girl and they would show an adult woman and she'd be running all girly and then they with your little girl and she's running and it's still a little girly but she's running you know like normally it's only it's exactly Fierce it's it's only society that has forced the little girl to run like a woman first of all I have a three-year-old girl she runs like a girl second of all and it's not because I'm teaching her it's not because her mom runs cuz she does it right but did she play with dolls because you're a sexist pig it's because of that my my daughter started off liking trucks like in the first year and I didn't give a [ __ ] and then and now she likes playing with dolls and dressing up in princess dresses like who cares she's a girl she's always been a girl She'll always be a girl whether she likes trucks or whether she likes yeah that was an issue with one of my daughters too my daughter was a little worried about her I go she's going to be a dyke she's like no I go what's the big deal you like lesbians who cares I don't care I'm like I do not care and she's like and then she turned the corner and then she got but we just let her be whatever she's in but she was really into like Batman for a while yeah my daughter is is into Batman then she was into a Wonder Woman like who cares but is but but what what's funny about this is that the left kept saying even when I met my wife right who's who's a conservative and I made her more conservative when we got married because that's what men tend to do to their their their wives but she but she uh you know we I remember early on we had a conversation about this and I said women don't throw like men and she got like all offended and I said but that's factually true she said right but it's but it's insulting it's like no that's factually true like I'm sorry to like there have been studies out of a thousand if you took a woman throwing a baseball and then a thousand men throwing a baseball the woman will throw faster then out of those thousand men is in the book The Sports chain the woman will throw faster than two of those men out of a thousand and we're not talking about like Goose gosage here we're talking about like we're talking about the accountant from down the block we're talking about Paul Ryan flinging a baseball yeah right I mean that's not the way this stuff works well that was the counter that Fallon Fox used was that she actually lost to a woman she lost to a woman named Ashley Evans Smith but what I said was no this proves my point is that you're not good you're just a man well this was you know John mackenro got slapped all over the lot when he said about Serena Williams she's great Serena Williams is great and all but if Serena Williams were compet he said she's the best female player ever and they were like well why not just the best player ever and he's like because she's a she's a woman like if she were a man she'd get her ass kicked and everyone was like no how dare you there is something called the universal tennis ranking she would rank in the mid- ranks of college male players if she were a man and Serena Williams had said like five years ago no I never want to play with like Andy rodic he'd kill me she she actually did this there was a 200th ranked man in the world who she she wanted to just warm up with and they they played like just a a normal match for he won 61 6 nothing right and he was and was like ranked 200th in the world and the only shock was that he dropped a point to her well there was the issue of Renee Richards when Renee Richards started playing tennis against women and kicking their ass and he was a midling player at best as a woman or as a man rather but as a woman he was a [ __ ] killer hey I mean this is what should insult feminists it turns out that Caitlyn Jenner were all these hero of the Year Awards and everything we men are so great that even when we decide to be women we're better than women that was the most bizarre thing he' only been a woman for six months amazing he's incredible at it he's just he was a natural out that men are better even at being women than women no wonder feminists are pissed and they should be and and this whole glossing over the the the difference between feminists who have been claiming that women are distinct from men and important and different and better in certain ways like I don't understand how you hold these two simultaneous thoughts Hillary Clinton needs to be president because we need a female president but also Donald Trump if he said he was a woman tomorrow would be a woman how do you hold those two simultaneous thoughts I always thought that in the last week of the election if Trump thought he was going to lose he should have just declared himself a woman and then he too could have run as the first female president that would been incredible trolling if he just showed up with a dress and lipstick and and the entire left identify as a woman I'm the best looking woman ever I've been I've been voted as the best looking woman of all time um the great arguments that I got in online uh when it wasn't even arguments but so many people were calling me a bigot because of this Fallon Fox thing it was it was stunning because it was so confusing to me I'm like I'm talking about defending a biological woman like you these biological women at least two of them got the [ __ ] beaten out of them by Fallon Fox before they found out that she used to be a man I'm like that's not an issue to these people and so this one woman said she's always been a woman and I said okay she gave birth she impregnated a woman and got her pregnant I go what about then she goes even then yeah even then she was a woman she when she was [ __ ] a woman with her dick and getting that woman pregnant like we are in fantasy lands yeah it's it's crazy towns out there this doesn't mean this is what's crazy like you can't just because something's illogical you can't just decide that someone's a bigot like you you we're in a weird area we're talking about bone structure and here's the crazy mus they're they there's the crazy thing is that they always rely on these gender reassignment doctors to define the terms and it's really interesting because I got deep deep deep into the rabbit hole with this cuz I was really shocked at how many people were angry at me yeah and there was one doctor who is a board-certified endocrinologist who sort of broke it down she's like not only is the science behind this crazy but when you have gender reassignment surgery one of the big issues with men um transitioning into women is bone density she's like when you have gender reassignment surgery you're taking estrogen which actually preserves bone density she's like not only do they have less bone density once they become a woman they might have more who because it you're preserving it like it's you're not going to automatically be just like a woman in a year or so I don't think surgeons I mean I know too much about doctoring from having spent 1,000 years with my wife's medical education to believe that doctors have the capacity to magically change a man into a woman no maybe it's going to happen one day with like crisper or something like that when they start using you know genetic literally before birth maybe I mean if you actually edit the chromosomes before birth but no I mean like no if once once your once your genes have been defined once your chromosomes have been def like this is fifth grade science people it's fifth grade science what scares the [ __ ] out of me is when you hear these stories about people deciding that their child who's like eight or nine years old effed up beyond belief it's scary because you can't a nyear look a [ __ ] 17-year-old doesn't know that was the thing about that Ruby Rose girl she was saying that when she was young when she was a teenager she wanted to be a man she wanted to be transgender and that she had gone through that phase now she's so happy that she didn't do anything right well they say that that 80% of kids who experience any sort of gender dysphoria as children grow out of it so when you have a society that reinforces it and then in Canada they're now having they're passing laws now that say that if a kid says you know you have a girl and the girl says I'm a boy and she's three that the government can come into your house and take the kid because obviously if if you if you don't want to humor the kid and get the kid treatment or surgery or or hormone blockers then you're obviously doing something wrong to the kid this is just it's insane first of all if anyone tried to do that with my kid I would meet them at the door with a gun I mean that this is this is the kind of stuff where you're talking legit Civil War like when when you say that the government can take people's kids from them because the government knows better than you how to parent your kids on basic things like are you a boy or a girl that that's going to get violent pretty quickly if you send someone to my door with a gun saying I'm taking your daughter from you because your daughter says she's a boy at school and you and you're not going to take her to a psychiatrist to start her transitioning process oh no but what how did we get so far down this Rabbit Hole of insanity and this is again this is not taking away the personal choice of a 60-year-old man like Bruce Jenner who decides he wants to be a woman free country go have at it have a good time but how did we get so crazy that that becomes an option that people aren't they're not paying attention to the the the massive variables that a child encounters psychological variables stress variables what's going on in the home what's happening hormonally what's happening psychologically what is happening to you and how how can you decide like this is it you're you're going to allow this kid to make a like a lock down decision to begin gender transition surgery at like 9 or 10 years old put hormone blockers in there to an 8-year-old yeah yeah and you know and then they'll show you like this girl who's like 13 who used to be a boy and you know you see her act and talk and they go how could you imagine that this isn't a girl okay I I don't you know I don't I don't I don't I just don't know what happened I'm going to go with the fact that there's a y chromosome in every cell of that person's body except ironically for some of his sper cells to tell me that that's probably a boy and and yes you can block the manifestation of some physical characteristics that does not change the chromosomes and there are legitimately interex people right I mean there are people who legitimately have conditions like kleinfelter syndrome I mean like these are these are actual biological things but if you're telling me any boy can be a girl no no the answer is no and it's that's that's not biologically correct and you're not doing any sort of service to a child especially eviden less I mean no you're doing no service to a child by bringing by by humoring what is obviously a mental condition and a mental condition by the way again linked 40% lifetime suicide rate is higher than any other population on planet Earth by a whopping margin I mean telling kids that we are going to force you into the like you express when you're five that you think you're the opposite sex and now at eight we're going to transition you into this and your suicide rate is exactly the same as somebody who didn't do that right or it's very similar to somebody who didn't do that and and like this is somehow supposed to benefit the person I it's just it's it's beyond imagination I think it's cruelty well it's very strange for sure and as someone who doesn't experience gender disphoria I like to like I mean I when when someone's got some sort of an issue whatever it is whether you call it an issue or a condition or whatever the [ __ ] it is and I don't have it I try to be as as standoffish I Tred to be as objective I try to be as as kind as possible this is a weird one though this is a weird one because it's it's become some sort of a fact and any criticism of it whatsoever even discussion of it you're label as a transphobic piece of [ __ ] yeah I think it's only weird honestly because it's run into the weird sexual politics that dominates in the country because if we were to talk about anorexia which is a form of body dysphoria yes right or if we were to talk about I mean there actually is something body identity Integrity disorder right where people like want to lose an arm like we would be saying well the problem is in your brain it's not in your arm right like chopping off your arm seems a little extreme but if you want to do that like go ahead but if you a kid and it's in 5-year-old you wouldn't say oh well this kid's going to suffer with this their entire life like let's just chop off their arm now let's let's prevent them their arm from developing like this is not and and to tell the entire society that this is a positive good is is a whole another thing it's one thing to try and treat people who have a disorder humanely it's another thing to redefine the terms of the entire civilization as well as biology in order to fit that this is It's valuing the subjective over the objective science is objective your feelings about who you are is subjective you can have those feelings but once you are trying to translate those feelings into the objective standard we all must hold by now you're encroaching on my territory it's not just you doing what you want to do anymore you're you're telling me what I have to do and that's a different thing right well now when people say that there's this 40% suicide rate amongst transgender people um one of the arguments that I've heard is it's because they're not accepted right I've heard this too yeah yeah and that if they were accepted and then they felt themselves and they felt loved for their true self then it would be just like everybody else I've seen no evidence to suggest that if if there's if there is a decrease based on treatment then it's marginal at best but that dysphoria it's is it uniform like I would like to know like is like gender dysphoria is it in a similar percentile as uh anorexia or what bodybuilders get or what strippers get when they get trip F tits I know I have to look up like the anorexic suicide right um body dysphoria is a weird thing you know it's it's it is I've met people there's a girl that goes to my yoga class that's uh anorexic and it's so disturbing it's so sad oh it's it's it's horrifying it's horrifying and listen I'm not so I'm not saying that we should mistreat people but if again you're talking about an entire Society being forced to redefine basic biological terminology right then like be an adult like like live with this I'm happy to treat you with listen would I I would hire a transgender person but I'm not going to see I'm not going to change what reality is in order to humor you like if you call yourself Napoleon I'm not going to call you Napoleon you're not Napoleon like this is not something I'm up for would you take it into consideration though I mean when you're looking at the like what if someone was really good at their job and someone else was equally good at their job but not transgender would you lean towards the not transgender person because you say well the transgender person they're dealing with a host of psychological issues obviously well I mean I I think that you would have to think about you know typical aspects of reliability just the same way you would with any other mental disorder if you knew somebody was was manic depressive which is super common and you have somebody who's equally qualified who's not manic depressive you might think well that might have an effect on on how they do their job yeah so maybe I mean I you know I haven't had enough personal experience with transgender people to know whether it would impact a secretarial job or something probably not yeah probably not but it's but again to pretend that like transgenders in the military this seems to me like a decision that should be made by military people who actually have to determine how much does this impact the job and if you already have a group of people with a 40% suicide who have high levels of in higher levels of instability as a group not individually as a group and you're choosing which groups to pick from to be on the front lines in small units living under severe pressure for months at a time yeah like is that something that is that what you're going to go for or is that something where like you'd have to overcome certain presumptions in order to get there yeah I tweeted uh something that Kristen Beck wrote the other day um when the military ban when Trump apparently there was not not a real B no it's [ __ ] I mean basically Trump was trying to distract from the sessions thing is that what it is yeah yeah two minutes later he was back to tweeting about sessions this was the part about that I didn't like like I actually agree that there is a question as to whether the military should be recruiting transgender people because I think that the military has certain like it it creates a bunch of questions not just questions about who showers with whom but also questions like okay you have a transgender man does he have to fulfill the female standards of Fitness or the male stand standards of Fitness right like these are actual questions does it how does it work with troop cohesion right you have a group of men and now you have a man who's technically a man but he's do you treat him as a woman like does he have to carry the same amount of stuff as the guy like how does that work exactly does this the cost of gender transition surgery and hormones and psychologists like does that come into play at all here would you recruit from the anxit community for the military like that's these are like real questions but that said that's why they commissioned a study from General mad as at Department of Defense he was going to look into all of this and then give a report in six months and Trump just sort of tweeted it out there I agree that I think that Trump's general you know his General attitude on it is probably correct in terms of what the military is there to do and what what it's not there to do but what I don't agree with is how he did it at all because it's disrespectful to the people in the military who are transgender I mean like I wouldn't want to find out in a tweet I want a better rationale then two tweets and then we're back to you know like look they're doing more than I I mean they're serving the military I didn't serve in the military it seems like it would be pretty hypocritical of me to say well it's perfectly respectful to say in two tweets you're out because that's the way it is without any sort of supporting argumentation and he didn't actually Implement a policy he didn't give the policy to the defense department so they could even implement it the Pentagon says they're not implementing it because they don't have a policy says a PR thing it's a weird PR thing but it really stirred up people and the um the I think it's designed to do right I'm sure well either that or he just felt like tweeting I think that's what it was I mean he wanted to shift the conversation and it was the funniest thing about that is that he did it in two tweets and the first half of the Tweet was in consult with my generals and my military experts we have decided that we will no longer accept ellipses 10minute Gap transgender people in the military so there was a story of buzzfee that was kind of funny they went and interviewed a bunch of people in the Pentagon and a bunch of the people in the Pentagon were like during that 10-minute Gap I didn't know whether we were going to nuclear war or what right cuz that first tweet was like we will no longer accept it could North Korea North Korea's missile you know missile test program so wow yeah but this again is evidence you know I think it's example of even if I think the policy is good good policy done the wrong way is actually counterproductive for the policies that I want to see done like I want it laid out by Mattis I want it laid out by defense department I want all the reasons laid out so we can have a good discussion over it I don't really want just like thought vomit on Twitter that's just not I don't think it's effective well it also seems that this issue is such a hot issue and it's also an issue that you're not really allowed to have an opinion on other than the standard opinion this has always been a woman trapped in a man body and this is the way it is and by the way this this de cardian notion that it's like a man that that's like the the the soul in the machine and it's there's a woman deep down for 40 years who had three children with a man's penis and now now is escaping there like Ghostbusters like again Ghostbusters Just Have you seen the man in England was it in England no it was Germany the man in that identifies as a six-year-old girl and so they turned him into a six-year-old girl yeah exact there's that clip of me that's gone around the internet a fair bit where I'm talking to a college girl about this and she she's saying like men are men can be women and women can be men and I said well how old are you I love that clip I mean come on why aren't you 60 yeah and she she's like baffled like what and then it finally hits her and it's like well you know yeah so it's I think this is what's kind of frightening about the age we live in is that we can't even come up with common definitions of basic things how are we supposed to have conversations with each other if you can't decide what a man is or what a woman is or whether a scientific fact ought to be relevant or not like like at least we could decide what was a scientific fact or not before and now it's like the subjective has just eaten everything if I don't think it's a scientific fact it's no longer a scientific fact and therefore the parameters of the argument it's become about Freedom the freedom to be your authentic self versus biology and right and again be be be your authentic self I don't give a [ __ ] do do whatever you want like you know more power to you but it is no longer about your freedom to be your authentic self when you're talking about either legislation that impacts how I run my business or how I raise my child or you are suggesting that it is my duty to humor your authentic self like I think there are a lot of people who do stupid crap their entire lives it's not my job to humor their authentic self I mean I'm I'm pro drug legalization but I've never done drugs and I think that drugs are stupid you know don't tell me that I have to like cheer when somebody smokes a joint like do what you want but don't tell me that I have to redefine what I think is good and bad behavior like that's silly yeah it doesn't make any sense and the other thing that it became this weird political hot point where we were talking about bathrooms yeah then it become like the number one topic it was easy for people to sort of boil down the argument into that I think right of course like this what about my children my children are going to go in the bathroom and a man with a dress is going to come in he's going to claim that he's uh identifying as a woman and it got to the point where so many people were upset about it that people were boycotting South Carolina remember that oh yeah you know and and this the one I thought was amazing was was the NCAA saying they were going to remove the final four from North Carolina cuz they passed the the bathroom bill right in North Carolina and I I I asked online okay so when are you going to abolish the separate male and female divisions of the NCAA like I mean you've said that we can't have separate male and female bathrooms where biological males play and you know where where biological males go to one bathroom and biological females go to another so why do you have separate divisions why do you have an NCAA Women's Division and an NCAA men's division yeah where does this go I mean eventually how does this boil down I mean eventually it goes to one place or another like either we just say this is a step too far give me a break you know science says no or we say anyone can be anything at any time a man is a woman and a woman is a man and you know it's and just pick have you ever seen any of the videos of people that are gender fluid I have seen those videos those videos are fascinating like they wake up one day and they're a woman and the next day they're a man and some there was a guy on NPR on um Radio Lab on the podcast who transitions at times of stress makes perfect sense to me in the middle of having a conversation I just switched I'm I'm Paul now I'm a man now so when he's more stressed does he switch into a woman because that' be really sexist right I mean I think that like if he was stressed at work and he switched into a woman and started crying that seems kind of sexist to me that's implying that women are the people who cry at work so that is sexist also this raises a bunch of other weird questions like okay if you're like there's there's been this again you want to talk about weird there's been this this this weird push in parts of the trans Community to suggest that a male who doesn't want to have sex with a biological male who says he's a female is a is now a sexist against women is a transphobe right you're a bad person if you're a man who doesn't want to have sex with a man a biological man and it doesn't make you gay to do that right if you have sex with a biological man who says he's a woman that's straight sex but if you were to have sex with a biological woman who says she's a man you're gay yeah kind of weird it's definitely weird but I have seen the arguments and the the blog posts and the tweets about men who discriminate against trans women who do not want to date trans women and people keep saying well it's it's culturally defined it's like no that's called Evolution well you have a baby together correct correct it turns out that Evolution wants men to have sex with women like I'm sorry to break it to everybody but evolution relies on human reproduction okay if you put that thing in the wrong place it ain't going to reproduce like that's just sorry I mean like I I I don't I don't know why I have to keep apologizing for Science and and then they say that my party is the party of nonscience like what like you're the ones who say that 2 minutes before my baby is born it's not a baby and a man can be a woman but I'm anti-science I'm just I'm I'm wildly confused by this well the whole thing is wildly confusing um but it's just it's such a strange subject that's been brought to the for I think it's about more the moral posturing than it is about people who actually think this is a major issue I think you're absolutely right and I think people love to be virtuous they love to be on that side they love to Virtue signal how dare you yeah how dare how dare you it's the how dare you with dicks or lack of fake dicks but they don't really have a lot of fake dicks they don't really go that far they just sort of take testosterone and see what's up but the it's just it's a it's a weird facet of our society today that is uh unexpected I mean you go back 20 30 years and it was an odity and you know even during the Renee Richards thing it was it was more of an oddity than anything and just sort of accepted well this is why I say I think that it's I think that a lot of the people who are virtue signaling are still treating it as an oddity they just won't admit that right I think they're watching it because it's a circus to them and I think that's actually cruel I don't think that you should like put people who suffer from mental illness on the cover of magazines I just don't I think that that's bad strategy what about bodybuilders I mean you I don't know that I'll be honest with you I don't know that much about bodybuilding I mean do I look like I know that much about bodybuilding no but the the argument that I've heard is I'm a CrossFit guy I'm ripped but small that's I'm more of a marathon runner the what I've heard the argument about bodybuilders that they suffer from it as well is that in order to get that big you almost have to have some sort of a body dysmorphia you you have to not understand how insanely huge you are yeah or be really into it their argument is they're really into it and which makes sense to me but I've heard people say that that it's it's like almost like a reverse anorexia like they never feel like they're big enough yeah I've seen that people say that before yeah well it's weird that the human mind is suspect or or subject variable and it's really open to suggestion really open suggestion I me what scares people about children transitioning for sure for sure I mean listen you you see it in everything including fashion like how many dudes wax their chest now 30 years ago nobody waxed their chest are they waxing dudes are waxing Jam their chest wax their chest whenever questions about the youth I turn to young Jamie yeah but but I mean you watch TV now and every dude on TV has a chest as bare as my you know 14-month old Sons I hear you and it's like where did this come from and this came from TV they one look chiseled it also came from TV I mean it was like TV it was going to be men are going to be hairless now this is this is the new trend men are going to be hairless you don't you get the Bert Reynold like you know bear chest anymore and so if if people are susceptible to even that with regard to fashion like people have for for five years people convince themselves that skinny jeans were a thing people people are open to to virtually any sort of suggestion bell bottoms they come in they come out remember when they try to bring bell bottoms back few years ago they they not a good call they tried and people like nah not this one platforms when they used to be platform shoes that that's why I'm just keeping around on my dad's old clothes cuz eventually they're they're going to come back in again you never know yeah the the idea of fashion and culture also being like the same sort of mechanism that allows people to be variable when it comes to their gender and that's I mean you actually said there's a study I thought this was fascinating there's a study in Britain or a poll in Britain about sexual orientation and what I found was 95% of people over the age of 60 identified as exclusively heterosexual of people who are under the age of 30 only 42% identified as exclusively heterosexual wow and it's was like okay well in two generations it's not that half the population became bisexual right that is not a scientific thing that means the people are open to suggestion about their sexual behavior which you would assume H right so so assuming that culture has no impact and this goes against the whole you know Born This Way aspect of even the homosexual rights movement the gay rights movement that says oh you were born this way like I agree that there's a a genetic component to sexual behavior but the idea that that's what why 50% of the UK population has shifted toward you know I'm open to anything culture has something 50% as I say 95% people over the age of 60 and then 42% of people under the age of 30 wow so that's so that's 42% no 42% people say they're extremely extremely heterosexual extremely 40 say exclusively heterosexual so 60% nearly 60% 58% say that they're on the Spectrum but not exclusively heterosexual that's fascinating I wonder if they only talk to women who are drunk you know like like young drunk girls they get crazy but I think also Adam Cora thing right where Adam Adam has a whole shtick about like in the future there's going to be a point where guys are considered gay if they won't kiss another dude like what are you gay you afraid that you're gay kiss another dude and show me you're not gay we've gone we've gone around the bend a little bit we we have well there's also this thing that I I think happens when you have two very clear sides you know where you have teams and you sort of have a line the sand that you're not supposed to cross and there's the right side and there's the left side and we have that in this country we really don't have a third party option no like all our third parties are kind of a joke and whenever you have two opposing viewpoints people dig in have you have you seen this new um documentary about um William F Buckley and goral and the debates heard about it is it any good it's great it's really interesting debates they had during the 1968 election it's fascinating I've watched some of those debates but yeah it's tense yeah particularly the one where Buckley threatens to punch V he calls him a queer and says I'll sock you in the face and you'll stay plastered it's weird because it's so stay plastered it's spectacular and it's such like it's so in the the speak of the day you know like 1968 got the Brahman accent it's it's great like it's almost British accent yeah it's fantastic it's really interesting and then but the these I mean it's that thing this my team versus that team and uh I think the left is guilty of it as much as the right is guilty of it it seems like it's it's a a real issue where there's a lot of people that have ideas and opinions that sort of cross party lines but uh they vote on one side or another and they vote for their team I I think that's right I think that especially in this last election I think that was true I think that people felt so alienated by the other side like to understand a lot of people who voted Trump you have to understand that there are a lot of people in the country who felt insulted by the left they were just sick of being called racist sexist bigot homophobes every time someone wanted to advance a policy on the left and so they said okay screw that at least Trump's not calling me that right so I'll do that and then there are a bunch of people on the left who now feel insulted by Trump's even presence and they think all the people who voted for Trump are those people and so they're fighting racism sexism bigotry and homophobia by voting against Trump again I we go back to this and there there's a hardening of of there's not one bubble in the country there's two you know the right likes to accuse the left of being in a bubble in in the coast there's there's a bubble on the right too which is the idea that everybody on the every piece of the media is lying to you right the times fake news everything is fake news you don't like it it's fake news these bubbles are not healthy for the Republic I mean we can't have conversations with each other if we if we do this routine no deception is not healthy across the board and there's another thing that's going on where everybody's a Nazi like I've never heard people called a Nazi more than I have over the last six months I mean it's been crazy if you support Trump you're a Nazi you're a Neo-Nazi you're you're somehow or another you're a fascist if you didn't vote for Hillary you're a Nazi like some people have boiled it down to like the the purest form yeah I I I agree I mean first of all demonstrates tremendous historical ignorance forget the Holocaust like you just look at what who Hitler was in the policies he promulgated like he was basically uh he was all over the place when he wanted to talk to socialist he was a socialist when he wanted to talk to capitalist he was a capitalist he was he was a top- down government guy for sure but he would speak the language of of you know what would be the European far right today on a lot of issues but then he would talk about redistribution of resources and universal healthcare and all this kind of stuff and removing guns but he's just a convenient Club I mean it's just a convenient Club because then and this is this part that scares me once you say that somebody is Hitler then it actually becomes obligatory to physically resist them then we can't you can't have a conversation with Hitler right like once you say somebody's Hitler or the KKK what you what are you going to do let have a conversation with them at the very least you won't talk with them and at the most you might try to punch them that is really a problem with that those the nomenclature right that's really a problem with identifying someone in that way that they they are someone that you have to resist and they are someone who cannot be reasoned with they are someone who is absolutely evil there's no like variables or variance in their behavior and and listen I like fiery political rhetoric I find it fun but I think once once you label somebody you know completely evil you you you have a responsibility not to debate with them have responsibility not to talk with them even the conversation legitimizes them yeah I mean like listen I'm sure you're going to get a bunch of [ __ ] from people for even having me on because the idea is going to be well how could you have on somebody like Shapiro you're legitimizing his point of view by having him on I know a lot of people who I politically disagree with who have had that experience they'll have me on their show and it's like how dare you have Shapiro on because you're just granting him cover you know like or we can just have a conversation and maybe we'll disagree and maybe we'll agree yeah I really don't give a [ __ ] about those people I think that's silly conversation I I I feel like you should talk to everybody and if you disagree or agree I have friends on that I like my friend yesterday had on Eddie Bravo he believes in everything is a [ __ ] conspiracy I disagree with him wildly and I love him like a brother I don't think you have to agree with people and I don't think you have to I the idea that you can't just have a conversation with someone about something and see if you can find middle ground or see if you could clearly Define their point of you or find their perspective that's missing today in a weird way and one of the weirdest things about the election was the pingpong match between the left and the right as played out on National Television by the media I would watch especially cable news I would watch Fox News and then go to CNN and go back and forth flip channels you know you have that previous channel button on the Direct TV I would just put it on both of them and go what what what's really happening it's two different worlds my mom said this in 2012 with Romney and and Obama if you read the right-wing media there was no way Romney was going to lose and if you read the leftwing media there was no way Romney was going to win and she said which one of these do I believe in so was probably somewhere in the middle like I have a basic rule which is that if you have a New York Times report and then you have a report from my site the daily wire and they share the facts you can probably assume the facts are true but the opinions that are you know embedded with the facts those are opinions right and that's what's what's so hard about I think the modern media landcape is trying to separate the facts from the opinion and so this is why when Trump says fake news he's not wrong that CNN hates him and the New York Times hates him that he's right about that but just labeling it all fake news is inaccurate also because most of what they're report is true right it's just that it's biased something can be both true and biased I'm true and biased right I say things that I think are factual but I'm obviously conservative that's my point of view you know tough [ __ ] so and you're a commentator I mean that's what you do I mean half of it is you know riling people up saying provocative things I mean that's that's this is and this is where I think the right is correct about CNN in the New York Times and some of the other networks like if you ask the right what pisses you off more CNN or the MSNBC most people on the right will say CNN not MS NBC because MSNBC is honest enough to say we're on the left and CNN pretends we have no bias we're above all that same thing with the New York Times you know we're above all that and then they run the most egregiously biased headlines and we go well that if they're lying about that they're lying about everything you know one of my fast My Most Fascinating characters of this whole play was Scott Adams and particularly because Scott Adams when I had him on my podcast he was saying he doesn't even vote yeah and he's like what I am what I'm paying attention to he goes I'm uh a trained hypnotist and I'm paying attention to the powers of persuasion and I'm looking at Trends and I'm making some predictions that turned out to be accurate and he's like he's looking at Trump and he's not talking about Trump in these glowing terms he's talking about him as being an effective Persuader and he lost millions of dollars because of that opinion talking about a guy that he's not even going to vote for I mean this is all leading up to the election where people were [ __ ] furious at him and even more furious at him after Trump won because he would do those coffee with Scott things where he does on Periscope where he wakes up and he's just starts ask asking questions and he's so measured and calm and I did he had a podcast recently with Sam Harris where I think he was just like little too far over the edge of apologizing for some some of Trump's behavior and and sort of attributing some of Trump's Behavior to that you could say was incompetence and attributed to like some some some sort of a master plan this this is my only quarrel with SC I think is that he he tends to believe that everything Trump does is 987 degree underwater upside down Hungry Hungry Hippos like everything is just it's all just acts of genius and it's three steps down the road and instead of like stumbling his way to Victory I I okay I I knew everyone involved in the campaign like every single person who was involved in the campaign I knew this was a stumble their way to Victory like it is amazing the minds human beings are we we need to think it's it's sort of like the Joker says in the Dark Knight we need to think there's a plan we always need to think there's a plan and so if Trump won it must be because there was some master plan that he unveiled over the course of the campaign 3 weeks before the election he was caught on tape saying that he wanted to grab women by the p word no there was no master plan okay it's just that Hillary was an awful candidate and no one liked her okay the the idea that that Trump was like even the idea that there was like broad national movement for Trump that wasn't there for other candidates he won fewer votes in Wisconsin than Mitt Romney did and he won the state and that's because no one liked I mean this is the untold story of the election is this was not a referendum on Donald Trump this was a referendum on Hillary Clinton particularly in the Heartland and people hated her guts right Barack Obama won Ohio walking away everyone talks about Michigan and and Pennsylvania and and Wisconsin nobody talks about Ohio Trump won Ohio walking away one of the reasons he won Ohio walking away is because in 2012 Barack Obama really drove out the black vote the the percentage of the black vote typically in Ohio it's like 10% of the general vote in 2012 was like 13 to 15% of the general vote and that was the entire margin of victory for Obama in the state of Ohio Hillary got you know closer to sort of the traditional percentages and she lost in a whopping blowout in Ohio no one likes Hillary Clinton and the left was so arrogant that they thought we can take the most unpopular unlikable unqualified nasty boring human being anyone has seen for 20 years and we'll run her she's the one we'll run you understand how incompetent you have to how incompetent do you have to be to lose to a celebrity game show host like like you have to at this in a Royal manner well I don't know now now that think the floodgates are open but do don't you think Kid Rock man yeah Kid Rock to win apparently he's like way ahead well so so he he's going to win the primary if he didn't win the primary then he would have to run as an independent then he'd be indie rock right kid kid rock is going to win the primary oh well we can only hope once he's in the office he grows into it and he becomes adult Rock how has Ted nja not run for office yet that's what I want to know how's he not you giv a conversation about running for president you know and that you know if the people really wanted it he would do it I was like oh good Jesus I just can't wait for the rock Oprah you know the rock might win I'm man if Oprah ran in 2020 yeah she' the rock with Oprah it's a [ __ ] slam dunk yeah the Rock and Oprah together so I have this weird idea that we should actually reinstitute a monarchy and it should just be ceremonial and they can be a celebrity just make celebrity Monarch and that person will just be there to look pretty and queen of England but don't really have anything no power because we keep conflating the presidency with like who actually has to do things right with like people who we want to represent the country yeah we have a popularity contest to see who gets to control the nukes which is insane that's pretty wild I think that you know this is we all think in in cinematic terms now and you know Hollywood is run by the the dopiest jackasses like I grew up with all these people right these are not people who you want controlling the narrative and then we're like you know what let's take if Tom Hanks would only run if Tom what makes you think Tom Hanks would be a good president like did you look at Trump and went God he's doing such a brilliant job what we really need now is the guy from cway what we need is an actor again we did well with Reagan we need another actor we did great with Schwarzenegger as the governor like at least Reagan was governor for 20 years before he before he was the president of the United States I mean like let's let's put him through the ringer I mean Schwarzenegger proved in eight years that he was not capable of doing anything except kind of sucking well you ever heard him talk about it the way from his perspective he's like you don't really understand how much red tape and [ __ ] you have to go through he goes I would meet with people and they would agree with me that it's a good idea however they would say my voters are never going to agree with it so I'm going to oppose it so even though I know you're right there's a bunch of farmers that are going to be mad at me for doing that so I'm not going to do that well this is the other thing in politics that really drives me nuts so there are two promises that politicians make that are complete [ __ ] the the first promise they make is I'm goingon to go to Washington DC and I'm gonna get things done no you're not okay the system the system is built for gridlock it's why we have two separate houses of Congress it's why we have a president who can veto it's why we have a supreme court that rules on cases it's built for gridlock it's why we have states that are supposed to be able to check the federal government all this is in the Federalist Papers it was built for gridlock and some people are happy with that because that's how Trump is being like sidelined at every time he tries to make something really important happen I think we all should be happy with that because the only way things were supposed to get passed was with wide public support right which is probably a good thing we don't want the government shifting Wild and veering on its aess every four years or every two years I like the gridlock my big problem is that the gridlock now protects a huge system that I don't like that's been built up over a hundred years in in the case of growth of government but I like the gridlock but that's one promise that's made and then people are disappointed oh if we get in there we're going to repeal Obamacare it's like no you're not you're not I mean like you can promise it but now you're not going to do it because you were full of crap when you said it and now you're not going to do it and the gridlock is there and it's hard to change things you know it's it takes a tremendous effort of willing and electoral power to actually change things in a big way so this idea we'll elect Trump and Trump like Trump would say it's all going to be so easy it's like no it's not it's it wasn't easy for Obama Obama passed Obamacare and that was it for his presidency he do anything for the next six years right there were no major pieces of legislation nothing happened after that he lost Congress and that was it okay so that's promise number one the other promise is your anger is Justified and this is the one I hate even more and that is the idea that you know in in regular life when you have kids I have kids when your kid is angry the the first thing you have to teach your kid is maybe you're wrong to be angry sometimes right your anger is not justified if you want to make good human beings you have to determine whether they are right to be angry is is your anger correct politicians are in the business of justifying people's anger oh you heard this about the Trump voter a lot right they're so angry okay well I'm angry too about things but are they angry about the right things right like and Trump would say you're right to be angry because you've lost your job in Podunk Ohio because it's being stolen by the Chinese or by the Mexicans or something and it's like well is that factually true or are you just pandering to the anger and on the left you hear people say this to to black folks in the inner city it's the system that's keeping you down it's a racist white supremacist system that's keeping you down say well is that true or are you just pandering to the voter because it's hard to tell people hard truths like you're not right to be angry get off your ass and do something with your life and this is true for regardless of race you know go out there no one cares enough to stop you in your life your life is your own no one in the United States cares about you wants to stop you wants to throw obstacles up in your own way I'm not sure you can win an election on the basis of go live your own life even though everyone keeps claiming they want to live their own life I think most people are full of it I think most people don't want to live their own life they want a politician to tell them that all of their complaints about life being unfair are Justified and the politician's going to solve all that we don't want people who St of our way we want people to be Mommy and and you know that's that's attempting attempting proposition for politician well there's certain a lot of that when you're talking to adults because you're dealing with people that have the momentum of all their failures and their life and all the different things that are not going right and then here here they are at this moment today right now and they want to figure out why and why they're not on track and how how to get on track and the easiest way is to point the finger or blame someone else and everybody has their own hand I'm not saying that people's hands are are fair and that you know one person doesn't have it easy a lot of people would have it easy I have it easier than a lot of people for sure sure for sure absolutely but the reality is there's a tremendous amount of psychological factors that go into why someone does or does not succeed and to Plate them or to you know to to play on those psychological factors as you know not being their own fault it's very tempting because it works with people people love to hear that they love to hear that it's not your fault yep and I think that's what politicians have become in the business of doing and it's both right and left it's it's people saying that it's it's not your fault because you're being screwed by some foreign country it's not your fault because the immigrants are doing it to you um it's not your fault well maybe some maybe some of that's true but you have to show me why it's true you have to show me what the actual like did you lose your job because of and because of China or did you lose your job because you're in an industry that is being crowded out because of technological change and because your union struck and created wages too high to be globally competitive like let's look at the actual logic here as to and how and then how can we change it how can we make it better how can we is it something we have to do or is it a matter of you need to Broad in your skill set like you see a lot of people now who are stuck in the mindset of 30 years ago that you're going to work a job and stay there for 20 years and then you're going to you know leave with gold watch and that's not the way the job market works anymore I mean if you're if you're entering the job market right now as a college student you can expect that in the next 10 years you'll probably work four jobs you know like the the turnover is too great and you have to be constantly increasing your skill set also with every new innovation there's businesses that Branch out and become new and then there's also businesses that die and there's no bringing them back you're not going to bring back the printing press exactly you know there's a lot of stuff that the printing press industry you tell them that try to get elected from the printing press guy well I mean right now they're trying to stop automated cars I mean that that is I mean there was there was a vote right wasn't there a vote like within the last day or two to uh try to block automated uh trucks trucks yeah because there's a tremendous amount of people that that's for living but it's going to be a lot more efficient when it's not people and you know this is the great fallacy that's been people have been trying to fight since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution is this idea okay well the new technolog is going to kill jobs and then no one will ever work again we've had the same unemployment rate in this country for the last 100 years and the technolog is a little bit better Teamsters convinced Congress to block driverless trucks that's yeah that's crazy that's crazy seems crazy it seems like you're fighting an inevitable tide well I mean imagine that like how is that going to work for all the other industries that are affected let's say that you now have you're artificially raising the prices of all the goods that now have to be brought in by the teamster so now it's more expensive so it's more money out of your pocket in my pocket that's that's money that I'm maybe I was willing to buy American but now I'm going to buy Chinese cuz I have to feed my family like this is that's not how economics works it's just not how economics works is there any argument that they're not ready yet that these trucks aren't viable so that that's one of the issues is that with a lot of the so the automated trucks basically in order for them to work you need dedicated lanes because otherwise human error is is such that if like if there's a Google car on the road and you're a bad driver the Google car is probably going to get in a crash or might be more likely to get in a crash than than if we're a human driver have you ever seen people freak out those Tesla cars you seen what they could do to them I I I haven't I haven't seen those tests I actually saw somebody do it to a Google car when you're uh when a car is on that automated thing if you just swerve at it they slam on the brakes and back up on you like people have done it to people and filmed it when they see people using automated cars MH it's uh it's it's not done it's not no% ready yeah it's the mix again it's sort of like uh how there's a lot of fuel lighter cars on the road but they're a lot more dangerous than the heavier cars cuz the heavier cars the Clunkers are still around from 1970 and they're tanks yeah they just run through three Priuses how do you feel about Universal basic income because that's a subject that comes up a lot lately when Elon Musk is talking about these driverless cars one of the things he's saying is that one thing that we're going to need is universal basic income he said we're going to have to figure out some way to feed all these people that are going to get taken out of the job market because their jobs are become irrelevant so I think that Universal basic income is for when the technology gets so good that there legitimately are no jobs I don't think that we're there yet so if you have a machine that can make everything basically for free and then there's a bunch of people who you don't need anymore to do work then you can talk about a universal basic income because there's no scarcity scarcity is what creates a need for labor so if there's scarcity in any industry then there's going to be a need for for labor there's going to be need for new labor people are going to still have to you know work on these trucks and deal with technology and the computer industry didn't destroy jobs all over the United States when typewriters went out so I think it's a little premature I'm not sure there will ever be a day when there's a machine that when the machine Society is so welldeveloped that it can take over all jobs I do think you're seeing a bifurcation in the labor market so I think people who are in jobs like yours in mine like we're lucky this is a creative job it's hard for machines to create but for jobs that are single task jobs a lot more of those are going to be technologically driven and so people are going to have to you know work the right side of their brain a little bit we're going to have to train people in a different way but my my perspective on universal basic income is when you have a 4% unlo employment rate it's very difficult to say you need a universal basic income like it's again 96% of people in the labor market who can work are working so that's not that's not that's not suggesting to me that there's this vast underclass of people who are totally incapable of working and once you do that you see what you've seen actually with the disability programs in the United States right where now everybody's on disability like the fastest growing government program in America is the disability program where people declare themselves disabled so they can get government pensions basically once you have Universal basic income is there an in incentive to work and also I'm not sure that you've solved a lot of people's problems like people still see need something to do with their day yeah IDE how many 60y olds do you see who retire and they're dead within three years the utopian idea is that somehow or another you're going to open up these people's inherent creativity and they'll find something yeah that's a bunch of hoie I mean how many people say like again I love that you said hoie what are you like 32 how old are you man I'm 33 yeah when you're 33 and using the term whoie yeah I love it it's a again you know I'm I'm never I hope I never retire because I just know too many people who retire and they're oh I'm going to retire and I'm going to golf and I'm going to paint I'm going to create and 6 months later they're dead they're dead yeah well people enjoy doing things and feeling like they're valuable you know and I don't know if that necessarily has to be a job but it's a very clear definitive test of whether or not you're valuable if somebody gives you money and you get that money and you're like look I'm valuable I'm doing something I'm contributing I got a check for my weeks work there's there's a lot of hours in the day and it's be hard to fill that with watercolor painting and beat poetry classes I don't know man I'd find [ __ ] to do but I see but I I've been fairly self-employed most of my life I just I've gotten into some people are driven like I would find stuff to do too but it's there is a difference in you know not all human beings are are the people who would actually go out and take classes and find things to do do you have aspirations outside of commentary when it comes to politics maybe some point down the road do you think you run for president or something like that I mean apparently anyone can and this is what I'm finding um but you're a reasonable guy uh I don't know I mean I I like what I'm doing in the sense that I get to work on what people believe which I think is sort of the root of of politics um I'm not sure implementing is the same thing as I said I'm not sure that the president can get like I'm more focused on getting people to think in the terms that I'd like them to think you know about limited government and you taking control of your own life and I might be able to do more good you know promulgating that message using a growing medium like we're very lucky I mean the podcast went from having 3,000 listeners you know 300 episodes ago to now we have 300,000 listeners a day you know so it's it's it continues to grow so as that crowd continues to grow it's actually harder for me to say i' want to jump into politics not easier I think the limited government thing to me has always been a fascinating subject because the people that don't want limited government they're always that is the utopian ideal in my mind that somehow or another the government's going to be effective if you give them more money like I I had an argument with a friend where he wanted people to be taxed more because he felt like that money could be distributed to people and you would get like more funding for the Arts was one of his arguments but my my thought was like first of all the Arts like when they're value when people like them they pay for them that's not good and funding for the Arts means you're going to have like [ __ ] LACMA like you go to the LA County Museum of Art they have a [ __ ] box on the ground someone's calling a piece of art doesn't did you see that that guy I think he went to he was either in San Francisco score LMA where he went there and he took off his glasses and he just put them on the floor and then he stood next to them going you know kind of standing there and kind of stroking his chin see there were 30 people all around him staring at the glasses on the floor it's like it's amazing yeah it's [ __ ] horseshit right that the modern art exhibits like there's there was another one recently where someone like left behind a pineapple or something like that I remember this yeah yeah it's just it's crazy it really is crazy and it's also pretentious and it's also uh stoking those fires of pretention and making something that's not legitimately creative making it celebrated because you don't really have the ability to create something that's legitimately creative yeah I was I was pointing this out today with regard to it's it's funny how a lot of people who want bigger government they Embrace states that start to grow the government and then when things go to [ __ ] they're like nowhere to be found so Venezuela is the most obvious example right Venezuela has turned from what was the richest country in South America and had the best oil reserves of anywhere in the Western Hemisphere basically they've turned it into just a garbage heat people waiting in lines I have a friend named Ami whitz went down there did some documentary stuff down there and he was I think his cameraman got shot he was he was watching people like literally shooting dogs in the streets for food and this is I mean it's karacus is the most violent city in the Western Hemisphere now and all of this is because Ugo Chavez was a piece of garbage who centralized all power to himself redistributed the wealth to all of his friends and cronies and then and then supposedly uplifted the poor except that now everyone is poor wait a minute wasn't he friends with Shawn Penn I don't even know what you're saying exactly so so on my show today I played like Shawn Penn and Jesse Jackson and and uh that freak Jeremy Corbin who's the head of the labor party in Great Britain and they're all just praising Chavez right he's a great guy he was a hero to the poor and now Venezuela's going to [ __ ] and where are all these people like would someone stick a camera in Shawn Pen's face like now and just ask Shawn pen so like five minutes ago you were saying this was awesome well there's got to be some sort of a left response for that like what what is their take on why it all bad the no true SC fallacy right oh well you know this is them living on it's because they never really got rid of enough Private Industry if they just gone further it would have been better it's like well the Soviet Union and didn't work out that great either but like I got actually got a response it was really funny today I tweeted out that according to the World Bank Venezuela has one of the least income unequal societies on Earth so it's actually pretty income equal right because nobody has anything right and the and it's garbage and so the the Socialist the official Socialist Party tweeted me and they said this is because socialism has never truly been tried okay dude all right sure why not well that the the wonderful idea of socialism is that it's going to even everything out and that you shouldn't get paid more for that no one should get paid more and that everyone should have some sort of a like a a a peak that you could reach right like there's some sort of competition involved there's got to be some sort of incentive but only so much right this is like the Bernie s this is democratic socialism like formal socialism is the the state owns the whole thing but Democratic socialism is there's private industry but only to a certain point and then we tell people no no more but then you find out about Bernie and his wife and his wife's idea was to buy up a bunch of land and expand the college and then the [ __ ] College went under now they're being sued and yeah come on man it's all based on on a lot of myth making about like Western Europe and and the Netherlands right so there there's all this oh these Democratic Socialist countries they're working great first of all a car in Denmark has a 60% import tax it cost literally twice what it would cost in the United States tax rates in Denmark are insane except for corporate taxes which the left in the United States really you know they love corporate taxes they want those higher Denmark has some of the lowest corporate taxes and regulations in the industrialized world so everybody is coming in and investing in Denmark it's only the citizens who are getting screwed by paying for this giant welfare state then their GDP tanked and now they've had to elect right-wing governments to slash back the the level of government I mean it turns out that capitalism is the great engine that drive like Singapore is there's nothing on Singapore right Singapore is Like a Rock okay there's nothing there Singapore has one of the most powerful economies on Earth because they basically have no business regulations no taxes and and no tariffs it's like you can do whatever you want and when people can do whatever they want they make a lot of mutually beneficial exchanges end of story this is not that difficult but it but it is difficult if you think that life is unfair right so what would you propose like what would you propose for the United States like the United States obviously um what Trump wants to do is reinvigorate manufacturing make things uh in America again bring back the labor force make take away the jobs that are going to overseas and other countries in South America so I think that that's a bunch of slogans from him and I don't think it means any so so number one I don't think a manufacturing job is more important than a tech job right okay a job is a job and in industries that are thriving you actually need more jobs and in industries that are not doing as well if the jobs you know disappear that's just the wages of a global economy and that's I know that sounds harsh to people who are in those Industries but it's not a referendum on you or your value it's just saying that certain industries over time always you know are outsourced like we used to make t-shirts in the United States we don't make t-shirts we make them in Vietnam and it cost us like five bucks right so so the so my view is I'm not going to privilege one I understand a lot of this is politics you want to favor manufacturing bases because there are a lot of manufacturing hubs in Pennsylvania Ohio Michigan Wisconsin but they vote since I don't care right since I'm not a politician my view is that if you want a thriving economy you relieve as much regulation as possible you lower the taxes for everyone personal and corporate you attract as much foreign investment as possible and you allow people to build businesses with as little risk as possible and then you allow them to compete and if they succeed they succeed and if they fail they fail and you get rid of tariffs as well because I want cheap inputs for my products and I want cheap products on the shelves at the store so I don't have to pay a bajillion dollars for a pair of shoes so I'm I'm my view of of this is that economics is an element of freedom I am a free person I get to do with my money what I damn well please and you don't get to stand in my way unless there is some sort of moral thing right like if if you want to say let's put sanctions on Iran let's put sanctions on China right China's funding North Korea right now it hurts our national security we want to put sanctions on China to try and pressure them into ending North Korea that's a national security thing but the idea that like today Trump ruled out this new plan on immigration and he says I want to cut down on legal immigration but the reason is because I want to raise wages of people in the United States and I think well that's not productive because what you're actually doing is you're restricting the supply of labor artificially increasing the wages which artificially increases prices which means it's not competitive on a global scale which means the company's Outsource right it's the exact same thing as minimum wage you create a minimum wage you're artificially increasing wages that increases prices that makes it non-competitive people Outsource so it actually achieves the opposite of what you're trying to achieve all government intervention in the economy save for interventions that are designed to prevent externalities you know things that I do that hurt you all of those are unjustified in my view what about Environmental Protection so those are externalities right so like if I were to pollute a river it's not my River I don't get to pollute it I don't get to throw my trash over my fence into your yard right that's that's that's a different thing that's yeah that's one of the most disturbing things about this Administration is the cutting the funding for the Environmental Protection Agency and the changing of their standards removing um some of the funding for things like satellites that they're using to track the climate change and things along those lines and that that scares the [ __ ] out of me like it scares the [ __ ] out of me that they're going to ignore the environment in favor of the economy so I think that some of the environmental regulations are badly drawn and some of them are overwrought when it comes to for example fracking you know Obama pushed a lot of environmental regulations on fracking or the Keystone X I'll pipeline that kind of thing how do you feel about fracking uh I'm I'm very much in favor of fracking but what do you think about like when that you hear stories about more earthquakes happening and instable Water Supplies water tables so from from what I've seen the the earthquake evidence is extraordinarily weak um yeah I mean from what I've seen you know I'm again if you present me evidence that I find convincing I'm happy to change my mind on this um and as far as the as far as water pollution again the evidence has been pretty weak so if that changes then I'm happy to regulate uh as far as when you say it's been weak there's there has been instances of fracking leading to pollution right sure but that's not every fracking leads to pollution and so the question is how broad is the regulation or how many are you willing to accept right which is the truth for all business right like how much we all drive cars how much pollution water bottles somewhere there's a seagull choking on a cap correct so like how much are you willing to accept like what I don't appreciate is when people kind of fuss the evidence when it's like oh well I set my set my water on fire because of fracking it's like well no that's not because of fracking that's because of the groundwater but in any case the you know as far as the satellites and and global warming um listen I think that it's pretty clear that the climate is is warming I mean the greenhouse gas effect is a thing the question to me is less whether it's happening and more what are you going to do about it because even the left seems to have no real solutions as to what to do except for massively cutting economic growth and it seems to me that if we're talking about an increase according to the ipcc of something like 7 degrees Fahrenheit over the course of The Next Century uh then on average right not not universally on average um then it seems to me that it's easier to just say that the climate changes over time and maybe cities that are on the coast are going to have to pull back a little bit over time like 100 years is a long time and 100 years ago we would have said that the the pollution was the chief thing to worry about in the United States because we were all using smoke stacks and particulates yeah exactly and and now not really even through regulation but just through Market competition uh you've gotten better environmental products right so I I think that the market does take care of a lot of these things people don't actually want to live in in human waste you know like we we actually don't want to do that so you know what's been disturbing me recently is how many times I see Bill Nye on TV talking about climate change well he he's again he's he has the same qualifications I do I mean he has like a mechanical engineering degree yeah is he kind of a comedian yeah I mean I think he is from my childhood yes I believe he was like a comedian he's a standup guy yeah yeah and he does did you ever see his his thing with Tucker Carlson which was great Tucker Carlson kept saying okay but you're talking about science so tell me how much of an effect do human beings have on climate change and what what is what's the science show me and all he wanted to say was that you know are you a consensus settled yeah exactly and but like what is what is the difference how much is changing right give me a Range like it doesn't even have to be an exact number but give me a range and then tell me okay what do we have to do in order in your opinion in order to stop the climate change right where it stands or if we can't do that in order to minimize it what's the actual risk also like people keep giving these catastrophic scenarios where it looks like the day after tomorrow and Dennis Quaid running into Subways and [ __ ] but one of the weirder ones he said was that we were supposed to have an ice age now that's not going to happen like Jesus Christ man that's good yeah you know Randle Carlson who's been on my podcast a few times and he's an expert in collisions and asteroidal collisions and one of the things he said is like he goes global warming is not great he goes but it's way better than global cooling this is true global cooling kills everybody right the little ice age was was not a good thing for the world I mean the global warm period was actually a pretty good thing for the world so I mean this is this is the other thing is that there are costs and benefits to The Climate changing which it which it has throughout time what are we willing to sacrifice in order to prevent in order to make that 7° into 6° right and just losing some coastline is not the real issue is far more devastating than losing Coast so I think that if you're going to worry about the if you're going to worry about you know the the emissions problem worry about the the uh the sea absorption of emissions right that like like the toxification of the oceans like that seems to me to be a bigger problem than the climate changing over time we're pretty adaptable like there's a lot of land okay so we move we have historically right I mean Venice the the sea level rises in Venice every year people are going to move I mean like that's just that's the way it works I'm so there's this weird idea and it's it's true in economics it's true with global warming that where you were born is where you must die right and that you can never move and it's like well this is the most mobile Society in human history we can get on a plane and be on the other coast in six hours it's it's easier to move than ever before so if if we if you really think that the climate is that bad first of all I'd like to ask Barbara Stan if she's that deeply concerned about global warming why she doesn't sell her Coastline estate yeah but it's like am I going to lose a lot of sleep if a bunch of Hollywood stars lose you know 5et off their Coastline because we didn't kill the industry of the United States and lose $4 trillion dollar a year like no and I'm not really sure that that would have worked that way one way or another it has been absolutely proven that human beings are having an effect on the carbon dioxide levels of course right of course yeah and there's a greenhouse gas effect sure 100% so there's but the modeling's been so wrong that like I want there's no certitude and then there's no level of solution that I know for sure is going to do this so you're talking about human beings suffering in the now for the later and let's be real about this like yes there are a lot of emissions from the United States but the leading emitters on the planet right now are China and India and they're not going to stop this [ __ ] anytime soon like that's not going to happen well there's also this thing that happens where if you even discuss it you become like a Hitler or a Nazi you become a climate change den and once you get locked into one of those labels you know you you're a piece of [ __ ] this is nobody wants to be locked into those labels so they they don't even want to have the discussion or the debate and that's one of the things that I felt like Bill Nye was not prepared for because I felt like he's so lazy with this conversation because so many people just appease him and agree with it yeah that when Tucker Carlson was challenging him on it he didn't have any data to support this argument he just wanted to sort of like play word games and and have this weird you know saying well you know you guys on CNN there was one time when when they had some guy on who was saying exactly what we were saying that the models uh they have not been proven to be accurate and that Al Gore's movie predicted that we'd be underwater in 2014 like didn't it yeah I mean his predictions in that movie are not correct yeah they're not correct at all and he's made like some insane amount of money sequel too yeah he's got a sequel out this week isn't he like the first billion dooll green guy yeah like he's made a shitload of money off of giving these speeches and C trade and yeah the whole thing is very strange because it it becomes this Untouchable subject like what we're talking about before with transgender people or with many other subjects become you can't discuss them they're not even open to debate or scrutiny they they become locked down and when Tucker Carlson was pressing Bill n like what is what are the numbers like what is happening tell me how much of an effect are we having and Bill Nye had nothing on it and he just became stammered and started getting angry and it's like wow this is weird to see I mean if this is the cause of your life you should know a little bit more about it than everyone who disagrees as a denier and I think the way Tucker handled it was brilliant I thought it was Tucker's best moment I think on a show yeah I think so too because he was saying essentially he was like I'm not denying it I'm not saying it's not I just want you to tell me like how much have an effect tell me tell me exactly and he had nothing it's like so maybe Bill Nye is the wrong guy to have there but Bill n shouldn't be selling himself like you can't have me come on a [ __ ] show and talk about GL Global warm I don't know anything about or at the very least bill and I should say listen the you know intergovernmental panel on climate change did this study you can look up the numbers there I don't have them off the top of my head or have the numbers have the [ __ ] numbers you're going to be on one of those shows you're going to be on for seven minutes so everybody in the media is lazy nobody nobody actually does their prep for debate or for TV appearances like because the truth is you think you're going to be on for five having done a thousand TV hits at this point most people think okay I'm going to be on for 5 minutes I can get through five minutes right like it won't be that bad if I'm on for 10 minutes how bad can it be and the answer is you can get pantsed on national TV in five minutes if the person knows what they're doing well you've done that to many people one of the things that I think is do you talk fast always it's like you're born this way everyone in my family talks this way your family just talks fast because I was wondered if this like was a strategy to develop to be really good at those shows no no it's it's it's been fortunate that that it fits that way but yeah even even my kids talk this way even the even the three-year-old talk we see some people that are just really good at ba and you you you get them in the podcast and after like Peter schiff's a great example of that after like 20 minutes I'm like you want to drink let's have some whiskey we had a couple of glass of clink cheers and we settled down and then he settled into like a normal way of talking but he's just so used to like force feeding you facts and opinions and it's just uh it's such an ineffective way to communicate with those three heads and the the one person who's the host th the Megan Kelly throwing a question and then this person's talking over that person and it's such an ineffective way to communicate yeah I mean I it's one of the things that I do like about you know long form podcasts like this one or like mine I I just I like the ability to actually expand on a point yeah on TV it's like okay you have 30 seconds of a point excellent we can make that work for us it's the only place left that you can do this unless you're making YouTube videos and you know Jordan Peterson is obviously finding out that that's a problem yeah but unless you're unless you're doing something along those lines where no one's there but you and you get to expand and express yourself there's no other form of conversation like podcast where you're not getting interrupted by a commercial you're just talking and you know as well as I know that conversations sort of evolve and move and they you know when I get to know you better I see how you're thinking better and I kind of have more questions to ask and you expand more and you get to know a person for real and that's just those those television shows are so they it's so divisive in way honestly it's hard for me to watch cable television because of that I I don't feel like I'm getting tons of information that way well CNN had nine [ __ ] people on the other day it's crazy the panel on CNN it's like it's Hollywood Squares now yeah Anderson Cooper standing sitting there in the middle and there's people and they're just people that are just I made a diagonal cool and they're interrupting each other and said Excuse me while I talk you you mind not interrupting me for a moment like they're they're grandstanding and trying to have this this point they think is going to be a Zinger because they wrote it last night and it's just like oh the best you can hope for is that you have 30 seconds where you say something that goes viral that's basically the that's the extent of it yeah well you've done a lot of those yeah know I'm I Won't Say I'm good at it I'm good at no you're good at it but it's like we were talking about before that a lot of the people that have debated you that are real they're really [ __ ] lazy like like they have this supposed passion for something but when it comes to preparing for this sort of interaction they're not really doing that they're not for sure and I think that you know part of that is there are people who are experts on particular topics who could I'm sure know more about their specialty than I do on a lot of topics like if I were to discuss climate change with a person who was like an expert on climate change I would not know as much as that person sure but you know there are a lot of people who think they're generalists and have never read a book right you know like I know one fact about one thing and it's that you're a dener yeah and even and I well I mean if I know two then I beat you right well that's the the climate dener thing seems to me one of the laziest things about the left and this is not saying that there's not some sort of a real issue with human waste cuz I think there is I think it's a there's a giant issue with plastic in the ocean there's a giant issue with pollutants in our water system and our air and there's a lot of issues with the side effects of being a person in in industrialized civilization there's we we burn things we create poisons and we've got to figure out a way to be sustainable I don't think there's any denying that by anybody I think it's also worth noting the market makes these things better in many cases I mean the fact is that if you look at the the areas where for example everyone is down on carbon based fuels okay fair enough but if you go to plac that don't have carbon based fuels they're burning animal dung and wood there's nothing worse for particulate than than animal dung and wood so as we get back and if we if we did even better than than this we would get to nuclear power right which unfortunately a lot of people have banned because of un-based fears like most of France's electricity is provided by nuclear power and that's about as clean as it gets so right you know I do think until it goes dark well till it goes Fukushima I even even in worst case scenario at Fukushima I mean if you're talking about the if you're talking about global warming and damage the amount of environmental damage supposedly done by carbon emissions is a lot larger than Fukushima right but the local damage oh yeah it's devastating that's the disturbing thing that they don't have a way to stop that that like they've figured out a way to like put a wall of ice around the containment area and that didn't work it seems so [ __ ] science fictiony that they really don't know what to do and yeah I don't know enough about nuclear containment to to go off on that one but do I uh let's just say that one disaster in and basically there have been three major disaster right Chernobyl Three Mile Island and Fukushima yeah uh the only one that's happened the two of those three have happened in the first world right Fukushima and three m Island basically ended up having no long-term impact so Fukushima is really the only major disaster in 40 Years of industrialized countries using nuclear power well apparently they had some weird meltdowns here at Rocket dine weren't really discussed yeah you don't tell about it well they they're you know it's it was all during the 60s uh 50s or the 60s when they're involved in the rocket program but uh the rocket dine stuff U my friend's dad is a scientist and he's explaining to me the halflife of whatever was released in the atmosphere it's nothing to concern but there's a bunch of uh rocket di like right down the street there was a uh bunch of um articles that were uh written about it like worrying about people that have higher cancer rates in this area and you know but there's also like I think there's a website called the sins of Rocket dine really yeah see if you can find that I think there's a website dedicated to that that people but there's a lot of cancer just living in cities man like they say that one of the worst environments for a human being is living in a place that has a lot of break dust like if you're living in Manhattan and you got your window open you're just inhaling particulates from people there it is the sins of Rocket time but the thing is like I mean how much more cancer are these people this is from 2003 yeah sometimes the statistics on cancer are hard to to correlate because because you'll have groupings that are sort of weird and that's just because random statistical grouping happens so how much of it is due to X Factor or Y Factor if we knew that then presumably the cancer rates would be going down a lot they haven't really in most cases so it's pretty rare you have like a a lung cancer situation where smoking obviously causes lung cancer right most cancer is like breast cancer we have no idea why it happens also the valley itself like anything that happens in the valley like you when you drive from like Thousand Oaks over the Hill and you look down at the valley and you're like Jesus that can't be good yeah I hear you I've been flying into the valley my entire life and every time you you fly into the brown Gunk soup that is that is the valley atmosphere you think that's not great me that is one area where obviously we have gotten better I mean the smog alerts have gone down tremendously in the last 30 years yeah it's gotten a lot better and but that's also one of the things that Donald Trump has uh relaxed some of the uh the standards the cas standards wasn't I don't know if you wasn't it a mission stand he changed the Carion standards maybe uh it's again I wonder how much of the Carion standards like there's there's actually a pretty thriving debate in the libertarian Community particularly about whether C standards are what drove greater fuel efficiency or whether it was the price of gas that drove greater fuel efficiency that as the price of gas has has risen and Fallen you see people change their buying habits right in the 90s everybody bought an SUV and then the prices went up and everybody bought bought a Prius well the Prius thing is interesting too particularly like the Tesla thing because then you look at the Environmental disasters of creating these batteries yes and you're like hell this is not totally green yeah like there's some weird gray area too it's it's pretty complex and and I think that the one thing we know is that there are millions of people all over the world for all of human history who've been living in absolute penury and misery and we now support 7 billion people on the planet and the rate of global poverty has dropped by 50% in the last 30 years a lot of that is technological change a lot of that is fossil fuel use and so before we you know we always have to B these are two things that are worth thinking about balancing like and and this is what's again a little frustrating is that sometimes you see people on the environmental left who will say well this has to be done or it's the end of the world it's like well how about those people in developing countries how many of those people you going to say have to live in poverty in order for this to happen and then on the right you'll see people say well no environmental regulations at all just let it all hash out and you know sometimes the market hashes it out and sometimes the market doesn't hash it out and so you know I think a little Caution is warranted I think that's a very reasonable point of view and that's one things that I I really like about your commentary I know you're a right leaning guy but you're very reasonable you you make arguments that are sound and easy to trace it makes sense well thank you I appreciate it I think we need more of that you know and I think that's it's rare that you find that in a 33-year-old guy that's uh some strange sort of conservative character that travels around uh clowning people universities so the Berkeley thing is going to happen when is it going to happen September 14th is the date it's supposed to happen dude good luck with with all that yeah well you know if they cancel it we'll still go you going to go on a bulletproof popmobile yeah hey he wear a funny hat and so do I so I think we can yours is a little low profile though yeah we keep we keep it on the D all around here when you uh when you when you do show up at these places and you see the antifa people and they're screaming and yelling and cheering and like that's got to be a surreal thing that it's just you and your thoughts and your opinion I mean you're not selling babies you're not there slaughtering dogs and then Festival you know exactly it's weird I think that uh you know I'm not I'm not arrogant quite enough to think that a lot of those people know who I am I think that what happens is that there sort of a call that goes out from a select few saying this KKK member is coming to campus go go stop him and that's what happened to Cal State LA like when I spoke there there were actually a couple professors were telling their students that I was a closeted member of the KKK meanwhile you show up wearing a yamaka I'm their favorite person KKK I'm like a charter member it's my thing I was I was literally in 2016 it it was hilarious that year I was 2016 was a wild year so I was so David Duke accused me of being a far leftist black lives matter accused me of being a member of the KKK and I was the number one recipient of anti-Semitism from the according to the Anti-Defamation League I was the number one recipient of Twitter anti-Semitism in the United States for journalists last year I I do I have a little trophy in my house it's most hated Jew In America which is a hell of a title is it a green frog it is it's a green frog and then a little model of a gas chamber it's perfect you were number one yeah by by a huge margin by the way blowout it was like 40% of all anti-semitic tweets on the internet directed at journalist in 2016 were directed to me personally it was holy [ __ ] it was it was a good year you know some years are more productive than others what did that feel like well I mean it felt like my Twitter feed was just a a dumpster fire anytime I retweeted anybody I'd get somebody I'd get people emailing me please don't retweet me because as soon as I retweet someone they just be hit by waves of these people it and that's died off yeah since since the election it's it's really gone down a fair bit but you know I there were some pretty serious you know death threats like I I got people calling my cell phone I had to up my security I had I already had a shotgun but it was Jesus Christ well what what started it off uh probably me quitting Breitbart uh so so when I was uh you know I was not a trump supporter I didn't vote for either candidate in this year's election uh or last who did you support uh in the in the primaries Cruz Cruz Cruz um I supported him his positions he was the closest to me politically um so you know I was not pro Trump during the primaries uh he didn't earn my vote during the general election I thought like there's two ways to look at your vote and this is what I always said to people I said vote for who you want to but for me there's two ways to look at your vote it's a coupon that expires November 9th right and so you either use it or you lose it uh or it's just it says something about what you are willing to accept and it's possible that there can be election where both candidates suck and you just don't want either of them so what did you do during the election I voted down ticket I skipped the top of the ticket wow so which first time I've ever done that so I didn't think either of these people was qualified to be president of the United States once Trump was elected then it was like okay if he does good stuff I'll praise him and if he does bad stuff I'll I'll hit him as I would any other president so uh so I've been sort of you know calling balls and Strikes with him and some of the stuff like Gorsuch I love and some of the stuff like mik Bin's bloody face I'm not so hot on so that's uh but yeah so the uh I think what what led off was it was a combination of three things one I'm Jewish two and obviously so uh two I was working at bre Bart and then I quit in the middle of the election cycle after there was that whole do you remember the Michelle Fields incident where Cory lowski grabbed a reporter from breart by the arm hard enough to bruise her and then bre he did he actually bruis her he bruised her I mean like she took pictures she reported to the cops it was you know unless unless you believe she bruised herself it didn't look much like a I mean when I watched the video like it looked like he just kind of grabbed her arm didn't look like he her body didn't like move like she was being injured yeah I mean she let's put it this way she that was her account that was also the account to Ben Terrace at the Washington Post right was was grabbed hard enough to bruise and then she had bruises so well you know what let me as a fight commentator there's a lot of things that I see live that look a lot worse than when you watch them on video you know when people get knocked out like that wasn't much of a punch I'm like oh you had to be there yeah I mean the most the example that comes to mind is the the Ali listen punch right in fight number two right so probably a fake probably fake though take that's probably bad example but um yeah bottom line is that that she there were three there were a bunch of different excuses that Breitbart went through on that one one was that she was never grabbed at all the second was that it was a secret service guy and then the third was that that Trump thought she was a security threat and Cory lowski had to protect Trump from this 90 PB soaking wet you know girl uh and so once breart did that then the real question for me was not you know what a horrible thing had happened to her it was much more about as a journalistic entity do you stand by your reporters or do you stand by the candidate who you support and once Breitbart made clear to me that like I already knew they supported Trump that wasn't any great shock but I was kind of their token non-trump guy and once it became clear that they were willing to sort of sacrifice journalistic credibility on the altar of getting close to Trump then I was out then it's no longer a journalistic outet so I quit uh and uh and that sort of started the uh the ball rolling as so you really didn't get anti-semitic responses on Twitter before that uh not too much so I won't say that bre Bart directed D that Mak because I don't think they did but I think that there were a lot of people who who follow Breitbart and you know Milo yannopoulos and they were pissed at me and I they had seen me as like an ally and they saw me as an enemy and and this kind of thing so little war for them right oh yeah I mean people enjoyed it obviously that's a weird thing about the online hate is how much people enjoy it it's Anonymous you never get tagged for it it's Anonymous for now for now I mean I've said this to a bunch of college students about you know the the alt-right the first of all I think it's important to mention a lot of people who say they're altright aren't actually alt-right just cuz you like a meme doesn't make you all right but like there's a group of people who actually like Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor and the race based identity politics of of white supremacy uh and those people are actually alt-right uh when the alt-right is uh is coming after you then it's not a lot of fun but there there are a lot of young students who will retweet things from like things that are obviously nasty and are going to hurt them in their future career yeah right where they they'll they'll like be joking around on Facebook and using the nword and I'll say to them like guys you may think it's funny and 10 years from now your employer is going to find that and you're going to be toasted and there are a lot of people who sort of fall into this aidea that what you do online is anonymous and it is not going to remain anonymous it's just a matter of time before it blows yeah I mean be any anonymity in 10 years I agree I I think that we're moving in that direction and this is actually a thing that bothers me in general like did you follow I'm sure you did the Donald Sterling Saga out here yeah sure so it it really bothered me yeah me that everybody was willing to like take Donald Sterling's team away from him because he said something shitty to his girlfriend right about Magic Johnson when there's no evidence that there's actual discrimin among clients at the Clippers and like again if there are actual evidence of discrimination then sure boycott his team and do what the NBA has to do but like I'm pretty certain that every human being says crappy things to their intimate loved ones about groups of people and other people and if this now becomes the standard then I think that we're all toast oh for sure and his defense of it was like very reasonable he's like I was trying to get laid he's like I was just saying shut the [ __ ] up he was like he thought he was alone he thought he was uh with her and no one was recording him and she was trying to say that she had recorded all of their conversations that it was a part of her her job he's like a cenal old guy and he's obviously not with v stano because she's a Nobel prize winning physicist I mean like this is like he bought her a condo and a Bentley and a Ferrari and he's just trying to [ __ ] her his interview his interview with Anderson Cooper was one of the classic interviews of all time oh my goodness the moment where he says because there's a moment where he turns to Anderson Cooper says Anderson have you ever fallen in love with a woman and Anderson Cooper who is you know super gay yeah Anderson goes he starts laughing goes no I've never had that experience well Anderson when you do fall in love with a woman and he just he's so unaware and it's like I'm sorry like I can't consider this guy like he's a KKK threatening figure like the guy can't even like find the toilet in the mornings he's like stumbling over his ottoman like I had a bit I did about him defending him where I was like cuz if you look at what he actually said everybody's like he's a racist he's a terrible person he said do me a fa he goes I don't he goes don't take pictures of black guys he goes in the next sentence he said I don't care if you [ __ ] them just don't take pictures of them I go in my world that's pretty reasonable like you got a girl you're buying her a Ferrari all you saying just don't take any pictures you can [ __ ] them she should like leave well enough alone you're getting a Ferrari out of the deal no I think that was that whole thing was just like it was it was our capacity to get ourselves outraged so we could show everybody how outraged we were well the president of the NBA whatever the [ __ ] his name is what is Adam Sil now Adam Silver the guy that got on TV and was talking about it like it was the most horrific thing that's ever been said by Jim Crow at at at Clipper at the Staple Center he should have gotten on TV and said look this is obviously we know what this was this is a gold digger and an old man it's a story as old as time he said some stupid [ __ ] old people say stupid [ __ ] old guy here's the thing don't take his advice when it comes to race um and and he probably should have said look but on the Brightside he told her she can go [ __ ] black guys so hey everybody's happy everybody would have been better press have been the greatest press conference the ratings would was like self-righteous and [ __ ] and well I mean a lot of that again is I think that if you look at the NBA statistics and who watches the NBA the the outsid number of people who watch the NBA are black and they spend outs amount of time watching it and so you know Donald Sterling pissed off a lot of black folks with that understandably and so a lot of people were like I think the NBA was like we're not going to lose our fan base over there it was a money decision in other words I don't think it was a values decision as much of as a money one I agree with you 100% but I don't think they had to make that decision that way they could have spended him Ed him and put him like put his kids or his wife in charge of the team like this idea that you're going to force him to sell his team or going to disband the clippers because there was a tape of an old man saying stupid ass things to a gold digger is it's Sue anyway and he wound up making more money from that team than he ever would have became much more a jillion dollars yeah it became much more valuable the whole thing is bizarre yeah um that's it dude we just hit three hours well that crazy I appreciate it flew by that was great well listen people have been asking for a long time for you to come on so I'm glad we finally got together and yeah me too thanks for having me my pleasure let's do it again sounds good thank you thanks Ben see you guys see you next week or girls too non-binary folks too everybody all inclusive bye