Joe Rogan Experience #2563 - Dan Richards

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience. Join my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day! Danny! Hey, Joe. Good to see you, brother. Good to see you again, man. So, right off the bat, you hand me this Smithsonian pamphlet. It's like a very small book on Peruvian elongated skulls, including, like, diagrams. Yeah, but not Peruvian. They're from the Pacific Northwest. Oh. From Washington. This is one of the things where I wanted to really bring up to you. The majority of the elongated skulls in recorded history are from Washington State. What? Oregon. Yeah. Now, are these manipulated skulls? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. They were manipulated by people. As a matter of fact, when Lewis and Clark reached the Columbia River, they passed the Cascade Mountains. All of the Native Americans west of the Cascades had artificially modified skulls. Look at the title of the book. The Chinook Sign of Freedom. If you didn't have an artificially modified skull, you were a slave. Whoa. The Chinook Sign of Freedom. A Study of the Skulls of the Famous Chief. How do you say his name? Con Comley. Con Comley. And he met with Lewis and Clark during their expedition, and he was as famous as Sacagawea was 100 years ago. But he's just disappeared. He had an artificially elongated skull. I have a bunch of images that talk about it. He attributed his intellect to his artificially elongated skull. What? Yeah. How would you know, though? They don't. They did it when you were a baby. Exactly. But that's what they all believed. And there is actually something, too. This is one of the things that's really interesting that I've stumbled on is, you know, Neanderthal, if you look at the difference between a Neanderthal brain case and a human brain case, there's a huge difference. I have an image, if you don't mind, J.B., you can throw it up there if you don't care. But it's all in the back. It's like, there's a thing called Chiari Malformation Type 1, where the base of your cerebellum falls into your spinal cord, and it causes migraines and all kinds of stuff. And scientists now are saying that it probably came from us and Neanderthal. Brain case, skull, not quite fitting. And if you think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense, right? I mean, the Neanderthal skull is way wide in the back. And that's where all of your motor skills, your smelling, your seeing, your hearing. Yeah, they were more primitive. They were probably super athletes. And the weird question is, like, were they smart? And how smart were they? Like, their frontal lobe is not as big as ours, correct? Correct, correct. And that's where all the thought processing and decision making comes from. So they probably had insane athletic ability. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And motor skills and visual ability. The visual ability is important because look at the size of their eye sockets. Now imagine if you wanted the best of both worlds. So you were breeding these two species together. Look at the jaw on that motherfucker. Imagine trying to knock that guy out. Forget about it. They had chests like barrels, too. It's like they all look like you do naturally. They don't have to lift. They're just that way. They probably look a lot more impressive than me. Well, the guy on the left, he looked like me naturally. I mean, do you remember that one? I think it's just nonsense. But there's this one guy who proposed the idea of Neanderthals being, like, gorilla-looking, like super predators. And he thought that the eyes were bigger so they could see at night. And he had, like, this crazy— They were eating us all, yes. Right, right, right. Very sensationalist nonsense. And the genetic evidence is, you know— Yeah, that guy. That's fucking dope, though. It is cool. I love it. The idea that this see-in-the-dark, you know, like primate lives in the woods and was, like, infinitely stronger than us. Like, it could just rip our arms, right? Like, gorilla strong. But not smart enough that you could, like, hey, man, can you please— No, no, no, no, no. He's just going to eat you. Also, oddly enough, has a skull that has a larger capacity than us. And so then we have to think, okay, is it just motor skills? Like, what do we know about the brains of dolphins? Well, we know that their brain capacity is quite a bit larger. Like, I think their cerebral cortex, I think, is, like, 40 percent larger than a person's. Yeah, something like that. Something crazy like that. So what is that? Like, what's going on with them? Like, are they so much more intelligent than us, but they just can't manipulate their environment, so we ignore it? Well, that could be. It also could be a degree of chemistry that they can't. You know, I mean, you can't do fire underwater, really, so you're kind of stuck with your technological stuff. There's no manipulation, right? So all of their intellect must go into other areas. Social and hunting. But then you find out how horrible they are to each other. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, the infanticide, you know, like dolphins, female dolphins are very promiscuous. And the reason why they're promiscuous is because if the male doesn't know if the cubs are his or not, if he thinks they might be his, he's not going to kill the cubs. But if a female has cubs, the male will kill the cubs so that the female will breed again. It's like, hey, I thought you guys were like the super peaceful fucking smart ones. Sounds like us. Well, I don't know a lot of guys who are killing babies so that the women will breed again. But it gets close. Chimpanzees do it. Do they do that? Yeah, they do that kind of stuff. Bears do that. Bears do two things, they think. They think, one, they eat cubs to force the female into breeding again. But, two, they think they just do it for food, which is dark. That's, yeah, that's arachnid levels of dark, right? Cannibalism is dark. Always. And bears are all cannibals. And this is the thing about people and the anthropomorphication, is that the word? How do you say it? Anthropomorphication. Anthropomorphication. I want to say pro, but it's po, right? Anthropomorph. Anthropomorph. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're right. Whatever it is. People humanizing animals. The weirdest one, I think, is bears. And, like, you can train bears. There's bears at the circus. Like, they're an interesting animal. But in the wild, they are some of the fucking most brutal and ruthless creatures. It's basically almost like a giant wild dog, you know? And they tear things apart. And they eat things while they're still alive. They don't care. They don't care. They're fucking horrible. They're horrible to each other. They go into dens and pull out cubs and eat them. Yeah. Different set of morality, I guess you could say, or lack thereof. But, yeah, I'm glad I'm not a bear, because I'd probably have been eaten as a cub. Or you would have been hit by a car. Or I'd have been hit by a car. That's the rough one. Or caught in a trap and trained to be a dancing ballerina bear or some shit, standing on a ball. The ancient humans, though, to me, are, like, I feel like this is an emerging topic. Even though we've known about Neanderthals for so long. Now that they know about Denisovans. Now that they know about Homo floreensis. How do you say that? Floreensis? Yeah. Pronunciation. Island of Flores, man. The hobbit people. Now that they know. Okay, we've got two very distinct human beings that lived with humans that aren't Homo sapiens. And the Denisovans one is fucking super weird. They're big. They're big. They were taller than us. This episode is presented by Paramount+. On October 16th, the king returns. 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Four out of five employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. Try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com slash rogan. That's ZipRecruiter.com slash rogan. Meet your match on ZipRecruiter. And the bigger heads, like very almost like Neanderthal-like. There's some of the stuff that I got to talk about here is like polydactyly. Multiple fingers, more than five fingers and toes on each hand. Yes. That's in the Bible. They talk about the giant, okay. Yes. Polydactyly, if there's a gene GI, could you pull up the one that says polydactyly paper, please? Thank you. They've been studying this, and there's a gene that Neanderthal and Denisovans had, a variant that increases polydactyly. It increases cranial deformations. It increases a bunch of stuff. This is, I mean, and this is all newer stuff. You see, that's 2023. And this is huge. I saw your video on this where you talked about there's one family in Brazil that has like most of their family members have six fingers and six toes. Yeah. And they say it helps them. Of course. Of course. I can grab the ball better. I can play an extra string, right? Right. Imagine guitar, extra finger. That's nuts. You could even be an ugly dude and seduce a woman when you got an extra finger. Good luck. Chicks don't want to have kids with a guy who has fucking six fingers. I'm some freak kid. In South America, they actually honored that stuff. Of course. They honored genetic deformations. I honestly believe that they were actively breeding different bloodlines together in South America. Look at that baby. It's crazy. It is. It's got five fingers and a thumb. That's crazy. I mean the thing is they look absolutely normal in every other way except the fact that they have five fingers instead of four. And it would take you a few seconds. It's almost like you're living in the matrix and this is like an AI glitch. You know, like AI glitches. They would have people that have like additional appendages, like a weird elbow growing off your elbow. You know, because it's just glitched. The clap walks by. Oh, yeah. Like it would take you a while before you really – like imagine if you were high and you went over to this lady's house and you saw her playing piano. And you're like, wait a minute. Why is there so many noises? Slow down with the noise. How do you have so many fingers? Oh, man. Wait a minute. You have extra fingers? Like this dude had special gloves made. That's expensive-ass gloves right there. He must be a motherfucker of a goalie. Oh, of course. Right? It's the greatest skill for goalies. Yeah, but not a lot of extra space, but sure. More space. You cover it up. But I think – Definitely better if you could teach them how to punch. You have a whole other finger that like the width of the hands would be greater. The weight of the hands would be greater. Yeah, the guitar players say it's not the extra finger as much as it is the extra stretch, the extra reach that lets them pop a couple extra frets down. Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense, especially like long fingers, long slender fingers. Well, the guitar is still made for a five-fingered player, right? Right. So, yeah. It's not – Well, you can figure out how to do it with six. Oh, yeah. Look what Hendrix did. He flipped his guitar upside down, played it left-handed. I guess Stevie Ray Vaughan, local hero, right? Right. Yeah. Turn that thing and – You've seen the live Adele McComber one where he takes his $15,000 Stratocaster, stands on the horns, and he's rocking the neck back and forth. I'm just – Whoa. Pops a string. Just – Don't even care. Just go. Wow. It's not a toy. It's not an instrument. It's a damn toy. It's a tool. It's a – Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I'm going to gush about that guy for a bit. I like Stevie. He's pretty good. We have posters or photos of him from when he was on stage at the club way before we owned it. Oh, really? Yeah. Fuck yeah. He was on that stage in like the 80s. Oh, wow. I think the picture's from 83. Yeah. I popped into Antone's a couple of times just to smell the air. Yeah. Antone's is dope. Oh, yeah. That's a great place. I've seen Gary perform. Gary Clark Jr. performed there a few times. It's fucking sick. Yeah. I haven't got to watch his show there every time I'm in town. It was up to no good, but I'm going to have to catch a show there one of these nights. Yeah. We did it, and everybody got COVID. The whole crew, everyone backstage got COVID. Really? Yeah. One of their guys had COVID after the show. It was like during the full lockdown, and they had a concert. I was like, I can't believe we're at a concert. Then we went backstage. We're hanging out in the green room, and then everybody got COVID. Oh, fuck. I am not a fan. Yeah, except me. I didn't get it. Again, I didn't get it. It's funny. Something that I wanted to talk about on this anyway, so we may as well get into it now, is the COVID thing. They weaponized scientific literacy when they said, trust the science on the jab. There's a lot of things worth talking about, but the whole war on science. I get called a science denier a lot. Fuck that. I'm a science gatekeeper. You don't get to call it science if it ain't science. You stop at the door. Science is a method. It's a way we get somewhere. It's not the end result. Carl Sagan said, science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe. The average time for a peer review for a test on a vaccine is about 10 years. You crank it out in a year and a half. You haven't followed the proper. Steps you haven't done science. I'm not a science denier. I'm not I just do it right and come back Right. It's not a coincidence that there was so much money involved We're not stupid. No, we know why it wasn't done because there was no other methods to treat this disease. That's ridiculous It's not true. Well, and that's why they got so mad at me But it's that's where I was gonna go with your doctor They would say through your personal physicians under the bus and I don't know anything about that except for that I can't extrapolate I can guess and say that the guy that your personal physicians Probably wants to keep that job and probably doesn't want to see you croak from kovat And I mean, I mean I could be wrong But you know, it seemed really just ridiculous that it was like, oh, there's just pushing a bunch of pseudoscience bullshit. Um That you could look at it that way and I you know Everyone was scared and it's not their fault that they you know They were presented with this pandemic that caused people a lot of anxiety But was shocking to me was how few people were willing to say what did that guy do? Instead of saying oh my god, you're anti science. You're promoting vaccine hesitancy You didn't get vaccinated and you survived kovat and you're telling everybody how you did it. This is anti-science like But it happened and so they told you you were using a horse dewormer, right? Well, that was completely insane that that's just proof of propaganda but even without that proof of propaganda you also have this thing like if we are all trying to get through something and you See someone who is a very public person. I'm online all the time. I have millions of subscribers, right? So I'm very scrutinized and everyone knows that I work out all the time. Everyone knows I take vitamins I talk about it all the time cold plunges and fucking hyperbaric chambers and all this different shit Why wouldn't they say oh Apparently if you're really healthy and you do these things and for maybe whatever reason you can't get vaccinated This works, too There was never even a consideration Right, even even let's assume the vaccine worked with it Which didn't like which which assume that it prevented infection which it didn't prevent the transmission Which it didn't and didn't have any side effects, which is certainly not true So let's just let's pretend it did even then you have people that are allergic to some of the ingredients in the vaccine, right? Aaron Rodgers was one of them. And so if you tell those people hey, I Understand that this medicine that works you can't take but here is a guy who did something different and was fine Like this is okay, too So they shut all that down demonetized people close shows channels down of you. It was it was bad. It was interesting It was it was interesting It's you know, um, it's funny watching it from hindsight because we can look at it now and see where you know Everything's kind of settled afterwards to a degree but even still like like for example the Fauci hearings Nobody who was a big supporter of his that I know personally knew about that until I told him about it It was like it just didn't show up in their fucking radar. They don't want to know about it Of course, I mean nobody wants to think that they were completely wrong about that And that was one of the things they did whip everybody up into a fury Yeah, look when you were wrong about something you got to say well, I was wrong about that for sure That's really honestly like part and parcel not just to being an honest person, but like especially if you're in science Yes, you know like your boy your favorite Archaeologist who's not a scientist that Flint Dibble guy He recently did a thing where he was making fun of me and he's like pulls up this thing talking about Easter Island and how? Easter Island's earliest habitable layer has foodstuffs from South America and Asia So like as far back as people were hitting Easter Island that were aware of they were hitting both of these continents a thousand years Ago, so I've mentioned this Flint clips that he's like, this is bullshit. This Dan's confidently wrong He's fully shit five minutes later in this live stream. He catches that that is accurate well, actually there is evidence of contact between the two, but he never mentions that it was on Easter out he Saves his face rather than any I mean, that's not like a big surprise thing. But the point is is that if you're This episode is brought to you by Armour every week There's some new wellness hack that people swear by and after a while you start thinking Why do we think we can just outsmart our bodies? That's why Armour colostrum caught my attention It's something the body already recognizes and has hundreds of these specialized nutrients for gut stuff Immunity metabolism, etc. I first noticed it working around training, especially workout recovery Most stuff falls off But I am still taking this if you want to try Armour is offering my listeners 30% off plus two free gifts go to Armour comm slash Rogan This is what I also think I think there's all this personal stuff that goes on with these people that is so completely Unnecessary and I think the only reason why archaeologists get dismissed by these Whatever you would call yourself, you know amateur Interested amateur interested amateurs in all things life and looking at these Looking at the data and looking at the science of it and you're really good at it. Well, thank you. I appreciate that That should be an asset. That's all that should be That should be an asset to the archaeologists and if you think they're wrong about something you should talk to them now I think when he had that conversation with Graham, I think that's the right way to do it I don't think necessarily he did it in good faith and I think he wanted to you know, push a certain narrative and one of the narratives was The thing that disturbed disturbed me the most is he was trying to label Graham as racist for proposing these theories that there's an advanced Civilization that existed before the one that we currently see. Yeah, I don't think that it can be racist. It's human beings It's not just human beings it's human beings specifically that live in the very area where those human beings live Yeah, so it's their ancestors. So the ancestors of Africans are the ones who built the pyramids, right? whoever the fuck they were whether whether they were the people of 2,500 BC or whether it was even earlier than that. Whatever it was. It was the people that live right there the same people It's this is crazy. Well, the whole thing is yeah, this is what's really Atlantis Well, they say you assume that Atlanteans were white ergo. It's only the brown people buildings that you ask questions about You're not asking questions about the Coliseum. It's like, okay. Well the Coliseum has written records So I know why the Coliseum was built when it was built the Parthenon same thing But you know what? I don't know about that was built by white people supposedly Baalbek Yeah, all Beck was supposedly built by Romans. We're all doing it there, too. It has nothing to do with color It has everything to do with written records One of my favorite things to throw out and with all back has no written records of the not of the trill of the big Stuff exactly and how do you not write that down? Everything the Romans wrote everything down they had scribes their job was to document everything. They were very concentrated on history Yeah, yeah, we went off about this when I mean Jimmy Corsetti were here. Yes, but talking about like the Roman foot Well if Jimmy's right Atlantis was in sub-saharan Africa It's Africans Well, I think honestly that I think Atlantis is kind of a catch-all term for a lost civilization. That was globe-spanning Yeah And like they would call us 10,000 years from now They would just lump us in with the damn French and call us the electronic civilization and with the exception of GSP I don't want to be associated with a damn French People I love Montreal GSP is gonna be at that event. Oh, is he? Yes. He's the best. I love that. He's doing a podcast He's a very fascinated guy He's fascinated and curious about so many things and he's kind and he's open-minded and he's really intelligent He is so odd Like when people meet him and I go, do you know who that is? And they go no, she's like a really nice guy Wait, that is one of the greatest cage fighters that ever lived So like no way I go one of the all-time greats if not the all-time great I think John Jones all-time great But I think he's in the conversation like George is in the conversation of one of the greatest that's ever done it Meanwhile, he's the sweetest nicest guy, dude when I made a comment once to him on Instagram where he was like doing these leg workouts and I was like My legs will never look like that because I'm sitting on a computer all day smoking weed and reading and he goes I trade my legs for your brain any day and I'm just Talking about boy Well, everybody wants what they don't have, you know He's gonna have me on his pod here on the 17th, too Oh, he's gonna be here the 16th or 18th or that thing. Yeah, tell everybody this thing you're doing Here at the quest for ancient civilizations conference October 16th through 18th at the ACL live here in Austin, Texas be me Randall Carlson to Baseboard you just had him on here bass for J and a few other guys Yeah, this thing is gonna bunch of a I see how they I generated but Amish dude in the middle there Look at me pseudo science on one picture. I love it. Oh, man It's gonna be oh, yeah Duncan at all. That's like Duncan on TRT But curtain Duncan are gonna be there the mystery boys. Those guys will be those guys are always here Randall Carlson has a rap song out now. Yes. Yes. I'm not Randall. I'm sorry, Billy No, we're in oh Scramble ramble Randall's a rap song when we were in Sedona, Arizona We were him were sharing an Airbnb and he was he wrote it in like the late 80s He was spitting bars at me over breakfast. I was just going god fucking damn. This was not on my bingo card Whoa, Randall Carlson raffing at me for Brandon's Carlson is a hip-hop head I should look it up or not Randall Carlson hip-hop, please put that in a perplexity. Ask our AI sponsor perplexity what Randall Carlson's history in hip-hop is That'll be dope watching fucking Santa Claus spitting bars like that. I'm telling you man I was I was I was still drinking coffee and nursing my morning bowl and I was like, well, holy shit. Yeah the real world Yeah crazy, but yeah, that's gonna be a fun thing GSP is gonna be there now that he just got a officially 100% confirmed about an hour ago. That's fantastic But yeah, that's gonna be a lot of fun But I would be talking tickets are available for that. You can get online. Yeah tickets are available You could get them online the quest for ancient civilization. Thanks. Um quest for ancient civilizations If you go to my youtube, there'll be stuff on there Yeah, if you look for quest for ancient civilizations, you will have no trouble find oh so this conference Available online people can get tickets looks like a dope lineup and it's all the stuff that I love to talk about. So yeah Yeah, I jokingly called it the Rogan Trinity when we got GSP. We've got the pyramids. We've got the comedy We've got the ass whooping hit all three So these people let's go back to this this Smithsonian thing these people with their altered heads Is it your suspicion that they were altering their heads to try to appear like people that were already here like Peruvian skulls and no before I thought oh boy. Sorry. No good Oh before I thought that but because like there's skulls in China that were originally mistaken for Chromagnon and Neanderthal and stuff like old and now they say they're artificially modified by people But hmm. No, I think could you pull up the image for Chiari malformation? It's the what's got two heads with one circled like two cat scans Well, I was talking about the brain falling down into the thing They believe that this is a problem from Neanderthal and or Denise of in mingling with us right skull too small brain too big So now if you have this consistent problem, you've got a always got pressure on the brain See how it pops down there. You've always got this pressure on the brain now imagine if you You might drill holes in your head. Like you've seen all the truncation that's happened down there Yeah Then or you might elongate the back of the skull every generation so that your kids don't have the same fucking headaches. Grandpa did And so it becomes a thing that and this is why if you check out South America Paracas is insane this way. They have so many things the polydactyly The elongated skulls the trepanation. There's a thing. Could you pull up the Inca bone one? Well, your skulls meld the plates in the skull melt in the back if there is stress or a lack of equilibrium You'll end up what they call a fermion bones ones in the back or warming bones. The ones in the back are so pronounced These are called Inca bones because they happen mostly in Inca territory You also see an Easter Island the Pacific Northwest and in Asia, but this part of the skull right there There's one that's got a Neanderthal that shows this to Neanderthals had the same issue There's another one and there's an island. Oh Jesus But yeah the sorry there's yeah, there's one There's one with white text at the bottom Jamie. Sorry, but yeah Neanderthal had it and it's a Again, it's from a lack of equilibrium. They say it's from the brain and the skull not quite fitting that makes sense I think in South America I think that they were mingling different bloodlines them the same as you can look at a guy that plays reacher and tell That he's probably got more Neanderthal in him than I do and they would mingle these bloodlines and then they would get All kinds of different. Yeah, there's a Neanderthal one. They would get all kinds of different genetic variations And I think some of these were bad, but some of them were honored like you've seen the Jaguar people of the Olmec Okay, you ever seen could you pull up the dental dysplasia one the kid with the two fangs? There's there's dental things It'll make you grow fangs as a child and also quite often will give you a hair lip Jaguar Whoa, and so like if you look yeah And so like what do you think that's from again? This is for that's some ancient shit where people used to have teeth like that. It's it's DNA there there again Well, we cross mingle DNA. There should be one Right there about the mouths with the paper. Sorry. I'll have to pull up that right, but those teeth that's not in any other Human primate that we've ever found. Oh, that's it happens in ours But it's just a malformation a malformation that we have a lot of that like the with some people just keep growing teeth, right? Right, you know or you get different bones in the head Different shapes of the skull. I've seen the skulls ancient skulls with rows of teeth. Yeah. Yeah some of those like they don't know for sure how many of those are legit, but the There's there's definitely no question that these things happen And that's, again, the real problem with this is it becomes a cover-up. Like, a little bit ago, I mentioned that they were all these elongated skulls in the Pacific Northwest. Mount Coffin in Longview, Washington, when Colonel Charles Wilkes, or Lieutenant Charles Wilkes, whose father happened to be a member of the Skull and Bones Society in England, when he got to Longview, Washington, he saw Mount Coffin, this place where they had these above-ground burials, and there were 3,000 of them, all of them, supposedly, would have had elongated skulls, because, again, if you don't have an elongated skull in that neck of the woods, you weren't a freeborn person, and you had to be noble to be buried there, 3,000 elongated skulls. When he left, this campfire accidentally burnt the place down. All those skulls disappeared. Now, that image that Jamie skipped past a little bit goes, there's a dude sitting on a pile of bones. This is an Indian burial ground, and they were just looting the things and selling them left and right. Where do you think those things are? In people's hands. I've never heard of a story of a person having an elongated skull in their private collection. I have a couple of people that have commented on my videos saying, like, I saw one at so-and-so's house in 1978, but I'll give you the smoking gun. It makes sense, though, right? If you're like some Rockefeller-type guy, you got a mansion in Rhode Island. It's funny, you brought up Rockefeller in the 30s, when Tello, down in Paracas, he starts putting out, hey, we've got these elongated skulls down there, and I need money. He was getting $300 a year to take care of them. Rockefeller gets wind, and history says flat out, he took an unexpected trip to Peru. He dropped three grand and walked back with four bundles. Now, according to... That's it, three grand? Yeah, and four grave bundles. That's 10 times what Tello was getting a year. 10 times what the guy was getting a year to take care of all of them. He coughs up four out of like 300 bundles. Now, those four bundles were supposedly displayed at the Met, supposedly displayed at the National History Museum in New York. No photos exist, no drawings exist. They may have been repatriated, they may not have been repatriated, depends on who you ask. The AI will run you in a damn circle if you're going with it. At the end of the day, we don't know what they look like. But I can tell you this much. There's about 300 of those bundles to pick from. Do you think Rockefeller... If one of them had great big old devil horns and a third eye, do you think Rockefeller left it or took it with him? Fucking no-brainer shit, right? Right. So the best of the best, always gone. And when Rockefeller found out that he couldn't go get the ones in the Pacific Northwest anymore, but there was some somewhere else, he ran there. And right now, you sent me the video just a little bit ago, but this is more... These skulls are disappearing off the shelves in the museums right now. Yeah. Right as we speak. This cover-up, there's this cover-up, I'm sure you've seen the map. A hundred years ago, they drew a map of artificial cranial deformation. And then like 10 years ago, they made another one, both of these on peer-reviewed papers. And the older map has more information. There's more, the more areas they've erased. The Island of Nui had it. Ancient Hawaiian people had about 8.9% of them that they dig up had elongated skulls. Nobody fucking talks about that. Nobody knows about it. If you want to go look at it, the answer's no. When you say ancient, like what year? Not sure, but it's when they dig them up and they start doing it at prehistoric, they call it, but prehistoric in Hawaii, you know, maybe a thousand years ago. Wow. So this was all over the world. People were doing that. Well, yeah. And then what you're saying about the brain size and the base of the brain completely makes sense. Thank you. I mean, to me, it seems like the most smoke and not only does a smoking gun, it's like it coincides with human evolution because what would be, imagine you've got a Neanderthal and a Homo sapien, they're talking to each other, trying to figure out a problem. And they both walk away from that with like mad respect for the other person's ability to see what they don't. Wouldn't they want to mingle that? So like, Jamie, could you pull that picture that I got of the, that family tree? It's just, it's like an empty blank white family tree. And then right after it's the, like, imagine if you were trying to make a symbol to tell everybody, Hey, this is where we mingle bloodlines. So like, this is a standard kind of thing. Right. And could you pull up that candelabra next? So it should be like, sorry. Sorry. Uh, if that same symbol, basically with the candelabra of the Andes, you've seen that, right? The, the candelabra of the Andes is visible 12 miles out to sea. Okay. Um, if you think we're trying to draw the draw, we're trying to draw the mingling of, of bloodlines and here's a symbol of where we're doing it. Fucking doesn't it? I mean, does that kind of look uncanny? And then can you pull up that Paracas textile, Jamie? This one, even more. This is when they buried people in Paracas. This was, they'd put them in these textiles and this one textile there back day, look at what the, try to translate that and keep in mind what I was just telling you. Okay. It looks like a monkey on either side and then a person in the middle. And it looks like there's some sort of a transference of something through the top of their heads. Well, that's upside down. Yeah. That's upside down. Well, there's, first of all, it looks like they did DMT. Well, clearly it looks like there's hours of ayahuasca right there, buddy. 100% they were on DMT. Um, but that does look like two monkeys, right? It looks like they have tails, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. And then the one in the middle looks like the bad motherfucker. That's the boss. And that's pregnant. I've met that guy before. Yeah, I have. I met that guy. I met that guy over there. But you see that notice that in the middle of the thing, he's got something in his tummy. Uh-huh. Um, I mean, if you think about the same line of reasoning, we're mixing different blood lines to make something more of that image kind of seems to. Also, they always have three fingers and three toes, and then you get to the tridactyl mummies. And I do, yeah, look at the monkeys. I don't know what to think about the tridactyl mummies. Neither do I. It's honestly like, um, I'm of the opinion now that I think that the genetic stuff they were doing in South America, down in Peru, created a lot of artificial, created a lot of natural weird problems, and some of them would be, um, like misshapen skulls. And then I think they would wrap the heads to artificially modify them. And I think that's why down there they get so crazy looking is because it's a combination of genetics and of artificially playing with it. Okay. The rest of the world, they don't get that cone. So do you think maybe they had like a bulbous roundish head, but extra large because there's those skulls as well that seem to be not deformed, but they do have a larger brain capacity. Yeah. Though the ones that are bulbous in the back, those are, um, that's the most common type of cranial deformation that you see. It's what, um, Con Comley skull, the chiefs that I was showing you. Um, it's, uh, can you pull that one up please, Jamie? So bulbous in the back bulbous. Yeah, that's huge. Yeah. And that, again, that would keep it. And now notice even back a hundred years ago, that picture that he was just showing that, uh, the other photograph. Why isn't his skull elongated? Well, it's hard to tell because he's looking straight on, but it could be. All of the, all of the artistic work of him is lacking that for some reason. Right. But couldn't you see that if some, well, that one looks pretty elongated. Just go back to that. That's crazy. That was that meeting those dudes. You'd be like, yo, what are you? And look, they're doing it to the baby right there. Oh, the poor kid. Uh, imagine being a baby. You're fucking strapped into that thing. Oh man. Dave's, uh, in this book here, it quotes from a book called the story that used to be required reading up where I live. And, uh, there's a guy that witnessed them. One of these kids being their head binding. It said that their eyes bulged out of their skull, like a mouse caught in a trap. So when you think about that, but if your kid was going to have migraines incessantly for the rest of their life. This episode is brought to you by Traeger food cooked over real wood is just on another level. And that's why Traeger is such a game changer. Their grills run on real hardwood pellets. 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You'll get a lot of skeptics that say there is no larger capacity, but the guys that measure it claim that there is. And the other guys that measure it claim it's. Well, that one that we always show all the time, Jimmy, that one that I'm really fascinated by, that one image, it's so big, it's so big, it's so crazy. You're looking at it and you're like, what is that? Imagine meeting that guy. You would be freaked out like that. That would not look at all like a person. You would think, oh, my God, this guy's from another planet. Yeah, that guy. And then there's the sagittal suture thing that some of them don't have the sagittal suture that we have. Yeah, that's yeah. Again, these papers, that head, that head, man. Also, look at the size of the eye socket. Yeah, it's the eye sockets are fucking huge. That person must have insane eyeballs. Imagine what their eyes would look like when they're looking at you. I mean, how much bigger is that than a human's eye socket? It's so much bigger. That must have been a wild looking dude. Imagine bringing that guy over your house for a party. Your friends will be like, yo, who's the guy who keeps reading everybody's mind? I don't know shit. Now, I'm not playing. If you were playing trivia, he's on my team. That guy's the freakiest one, man. The one on the left. But what you're saying might be accurate, right? That that might have been a rounded thing that was manipulated to be a flattened thing. Yeah, that's I think that it was. I think that it was partially natural, like even the sagittal suture that this is one of the things they find with the Denisovan and Neanderthal DNA. That one on the right. Is that real? Yeah. Is that a horse shit? That's fucking real. Come on, man. What are we looking at? And someone stole that. Someone's got that fucking Rhode Island mansion. Of course, you know, those Bronze Age or Gilded Age mansions. They have very weird man. I got into a YouTube rabbit hole the other day of bronze or Gilded Age mansions. Oh, boy. In Newport, Rhode Island, where all these like fucking super rich, creepy people set up their castles. It's nuts, man. I guarantee if you get in the room, there's a fucking glass box and inside of it, there's one of these skulls. It looks like it's from another planet. But yeah, and and it's so it's weird to me that they're hiding all this. It's it's somebody's hiding all that. Well, it's it's the maybe not just somebody, but there's definitely money behind it because it happens like so fast. And it happened like the the article I will link an article in a video and it'll be dead in two weeks. And I'll have to go fucking fight. Like, I've got three different ways to find this one thing right now. And I've downloaded it because it's just keeps disappearing. And it's the what talks about Rockefeller buying the skulls. And it's just someone scrubbing the Internet of the Rockefeller scub skull still shows up. But I think it's because someone has them. And they like, shut the fuck up. I'm 100 percent. Those school history says that he either repatriated them or he left them in the museum. And it's like it. So I asked you asked, what's the catalog numbers? Oh, well, there are no catalog numbers for human remains. OK, fuck you. I know better than that. It's just and they are all ultimate. What really gets me is this, they gave me the same excuse for Papua New Guinea as they do for China, as they do for Easter Island, as they do for Hawaii, as they do for the Pacific Northwest, as they do for Paracas. Well, it's about you know, it's about like protecting the indigenous people's beliefs. And they don't want you to have like their skulls, because then that would be like you have part of their souls. It's like, OK, I can understand that some of them might think this way. But we got Mennonites in Pennsylvania that don't believe that. And they're sitting right next door to their friends that do believe that. How am I supposed to accept that the entire Pacific Rim fucking all falls into line? We can't get them to do that same shit in Pennsylvania. I don't I don't buy it. This is this is a European thing. This isn't a this isn't an islander thing. This isn't a Polynesian thing. It's covering these things up. These people are perfectly content to have their skulls displayed as far as we can tell. But it's always some white dude going, oh, we're going to hide those fucking skulls because we're going to appease the at the end of the day. Please put all your shit in the museum so that we can keep a good eye on it for you. Can I see it? Fuck you. It's gone. Fuck you. Let's go try to find this online. You'll find an image that says no image available that has a title. And that's it. There was one last I looked, there was one copy that was in a that was in a library in Malta. And you really think that's because someone's in possession of this stuff and they're trying to squash it? I think that there's a narrative there that people don't want pushed. I think that it might have something to do with, I mean, let's be honest, what I'm talking about. When you start talking about mingling different bloodlines. for different traits. This does sound awfully eugenics, right? This does sound like it's dipping your toes into this kind of politically incorrect stuff. But how is it eugenics if people just interbred? There was a, I believe there was a program in Paracas. Really? Can you pull up one of the pictures of the person presenting the, when they would bring their, there's those jaguar babies, right? The jaguar people in the Olmec Society had the hairlip and the things like I was showing. There's more than one statue of them presenting them. There you go. Ta-da, here's my baby. This baby's all fucking mutilated, not like me. Ta-da, here you go. That baby doesn't look mutilated, though. It's, that's not a very good image, but yeah. Is there any, that one doesn't look, that one looks normal. It just looks like a mother with a baby. If you look at the top down, both of those, they have hair lips and they're missing the teeth. They are jaguar babies. Like that one. That last image. Yeah. That's a, that's a trophy skull with the only trophy skull known with a cleft lip. You know, if you were born with a cleft lip, even the Spanish recorded, if you were born with a cleft lip to their people, they would put you in a temple as part of the workers. You were considered holy. Six fingers was considered holy. Deformations were considered holy. And this trophy skull, what does, what do you mean by that? I mean that this is like a mummified skull with a hole drilled in it. I wish I could get a real image, but this is the only one that exists. And so somebody has that somewhere in a museum? Yeah. Or somewhere. Yeah. Somewhere. But yeah, there's, there's a bunch of these trophy skulls that they kept down in South America. They would wear skulls on their belt. They didn't shrink them or nothing. They just drill a hole right in the fucking thing and hang it right on their belt. Ooh. Yeah. But that one was especially prized because that was a noble. You're walking around with a noble person's skull hanging from your belt. That's how they would wear them? I'm a badass. Wow. Yeah. That part of the world was never. So you think there's a potential that they were creating, they were breeding people specifically? Yeah. I think that they would like pick, pick bloodlines and be like, you know what? You look more like, and you look more like, and you need to have a baby together. And then here's the baby. Oh, we got a good one. It's a Jaguar. So what do you think the whole tridactyl thing is? I think some of the tridactyl mummies look fake as fuck to me, just to be clear. The early, the tiny ones. Yeah. The ones that look like cake. But the ones that they do the cat scans of, you're like, wow. And then you find out that they're like at least 1200 years old. You're like, are you telling me that 1200 years ago someone created this? I think DNA would be a good way to get into that to begin with. I know. Yeah. I mean, it's just weird that this is all going on and we don't have definitive answers and there's not also like a mad rush among scientists to discover these two trophies skulls. Oh, this one just has a drill hole in the forehead and a rope attached to it. With the skin on it and the hair. So this person's just walking around with someone's head wrapped around their waist. The description I just read said they were most, I mean, the ones that they found were young women, like 13 or 16 years old. But I don't know if that's what these are. Wow. One of them looks like a woman. The one on the right looks like a woman. That's so crazy. That's where things get so weird. When you go back and you realize that entire cultures, they engaged in ritual sacrifice at a mass scale, like what the Aztecs did. They did wild mass sacrifice and they, their, their culture was so, it involves sacrifice so much that they would go out and get other people. And that's one of the reasons why Cortez was able to group all these other people to attack the Aztecs. Like these motherfuckers have been killing us ritually forever. Yeah. We're, we're happy to kick these guys' ass. Oh wait, you're not going to help us out afterwards. One of my favorite stories about that afterwards is they're like, okay, we need all you guys to bring all your codices here so that we can, we can put them on these shelves. And so like all these Mesoamerican codices show up and the Spanish friars like torch, fucking watch them all burn. And there's like a handful left that exists now. I know. They just bought, it was like three years ago, they bought those ones from a family in Mexico that had had them for like 500 years. And one of them talks about the building of Teotihuacan. And the Mexican government bought it for like 250 grand. It was like, like I was telling Matt Bell and Matt Bell's like, that's fucking nothing. Is that a dope trophy skull? Some of these are fucking sick. Ancestor chief skull. Wow. Hold on though. Wait till I get to some of these down here. Holy shit. So now imagine this, these are crazy. Oh man, are you sure they aren't from Hellraiser? This is like straight out of the Predator. Yeah. So these were found in Asia. My dear God. I don't, some of this looks almost like this is like from out of a movie set. Well they've glued like tusks under some of the skulls. What the hell is that? Whoa. Go, go back up a little bit. Well, that looks like something out of Warhammer. Yeah, that one on the right with the horn coming out of his nose. It's a human child trophy skull. Human child trophy skull. What the fuck, man? How did I never hear about this before? Well, how about the one with the headsets on? That one's got headphones on. What the fuck, man? Why does it say info, email? Are you selling these? Yeah, I mean, I stumbled across something here. It does say art, tribal art Asia, which sounds like some weird shit. Yeah, that actually doesn't look like a skull. That looks like it's carved out of wood. Like the nose part, it's all filled in. Imagine if you found out there was a website, you could just order trophy skulls. I was finding these recreated ones on Etsy that people are making. Oh, it says it's a replica. What kind of a fucking Etsy person? Made by monster. That's the kind of person. It's like I ain't even trying to hide it. It's like a dude with an Etsy page of just skulls. That's wild. But you know, even some of these Olmec heads have hair lips. Like I got a picture that saved on one of those that has it. And again, if you mingle Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA with human DNA, this is the thing, is you end up with facial deformations, including hair lips. I think it's real, bro. What? Early 20th century diacon-sized trophy skull. And it's got a name. It costs a lot of money. And they say where it came from. You could buy that. Yeah. Talking about... Logging for the price. Do you think that... Can you imagine if we had a fucking skull, a human skull on the desk? That's too creepy. That is. Because we don't know how the guy died or the woman died. From a private collection from Thousand Oaks, California. Oh, wow. See how many private collections are out there. I was telling... See if you can find an elongated skull for sale. I was telling you about Con Comley. That's how I got here. I was looking. I was telling you about that Chief Con Comley. He was a huge friend to the honkies that came through that area. He married off his daughters to fur trappers. He cried when they moved the fort 30 miles away. He was like... He was... A bunch of braves came up and said, we're going to go kill all these white guys. He's like, hey, hey, hey. Do you see how tightly woven their cloth is? Do you see how strong their weapons are? Do you see any of their kids or their women? Do you think this is all they're capable of? Or do you think they're going to bring more to bear when they bring their families with them? Let's not fuck with these guys. He was really shrewd and smart. He died three years later. Some British dude chopped his fucking head off. They actually had hit him. Instead of these above ground canoe burials, they'd hit him because they knew. Dude chops his head off, ships the skull back to England. And it wasn't until this, this came out five years after they'd repatriated the skull to the Chinook people. But yeah, they actually carved on the back of his fucking head even. Like, um... Yeah, here. Chief Con Comley. Here's his skull. Here's a friend... If you can't see it, they engraved that on the back of his skull. Oh my god. It's like so horrific. So you can see why the Smithsonian might be a little hard-pressed in letting this stuff out. Well, the Peruvian skulls though, like when you look at them and you look at the monstera, do you think there's more to this story? Is this as simple as cranial deformation plus they do it on purpose? Or is there a potential for a different species of human? There's almost certainly, in my opinion, a different species of human that live there. And I mean, even, you know, I'm not into the ancient alien stuff, but in all honesty, I wouldn't be. If there was aliens intermingling with humans, this would probably be the best smoking gun place for it. There's also all the evidence that they were building art that you could only see from the sky. Exactly. Which is really weird. Which is really weird. And even things like that candelabra of the Andes that I was showing, that's visible again, 12 miles out to sea. Easter Island's close enough. Imagine the guys jumping down from right here, from Portland, Oregon, just jumping down the coasts to Paracas. Were you drawn the conclusion that that represents genetic engineering? I wouldn't have drawn it to begin with, but it looks like a family tree and it's like with everything else lined up all the side. It's like, well, I mean, if you're trying to say, hey guys, this is where we do this. What symbol would you use? Right. And that's where, okay. Again, if this was in a vacuum, that's not how I got there. This is kind of the icing on the cake, is the Paracas candelabra and that textile thing. The honest to God evidence is, I mean, there's a lot of papers that I have, a handful of papers that I've got screenshots of there, but you pick your genetic deformation and then Google it with Denisovan or Neanderthal, and you're almost guaranteed. Hydrocephalus, that big skull thing that I showed there, you see a few of those in Paracas with those great big things. Hydrocephalus is something that's, the frequency is increased when you mingle Denisovan or Neanderthal DNA. It's a constant issue. That candelabra image, does that image appear in other areas? It actually does. Crazily enough, it appears in Easter Island on skulls that are carved with that same image. Wow. I didn't put any in the file, but I've got them in a video. There's two of them that they have. One is like a straight line, and then one's like a bird man kind of, but it's the same image. When you say skull, do you mean human skull? I mean, decorated like those we were just looking at. So a dead human that has that on their head. That they'd scratched it in afterwards. What? The Easter Island had elongated skulls, but almost all of those are gone. And they're hard to find images of, like impossible, but they do have these, and they would do artwork on skulls after they would die. And a few of them do strongly resemble the candelabra of the Andes. And is that candelabra, is that anywhere else down there? Is it on other? Not that I'm aware of. Not that I've seen. Can I see that again, please? The candelabra? Because the family tree thing, it's like, is it the same configuration on the Easter Island heads? Or is it similar? It's not identical, but it's really close. Look for Easter Island modified skull, Jamie, and that'll probably pull up the, it'll be a paper. I doubt you'll find it. I doubt you'll find it in the images section. But if you click all, there should be a paper that. Maybe I have to go to Google Scholar to find it. I apologize. But yeah, there's artwork on these things, and a handful of them that is. I'll find something here. There's artwork on two of them in particular that's got that same fork symbol. And one of them, they call a bird man. There we go. Bam. There's the bird man. And then they're on the same page. You should see. Good job, Jamie. You're fucking pimp. So they did a bunch of art on these skulls, but two of them have that same symbol. Do they show that here? They're right there. Oh, it's got that thing. Similar. Super similar. Yeah, not identical for sure, but it does have the same. Three things forking together to make one. So it's just a theory that that's the tree of life. Or that's the family tree, rather. Yeah, that's totally, again, that family tree thing is completely my thing. This one represents a penis entering a vulva. Right in the back of the head. He drew it on his head. That guy was like the earliest bad tattoo art ever. Maybe they were honoring a person's ability to deep throat. This far back. Fucker gave you a skull, you knew it. X marks the spot. But yeah, again, the imagery and stuff, I can't be 100% all right. I mean, you can never be 100% on any of this stuff, but the genetic, those worming bones I showed you in the back, they call them Inca bones for a reason, because they show up in the Inca. The Incas have a higher, South American and Peru, they have a higher instance of cleft palates. They have a higher instance of polydactyly. They have, just pick your fucking thing that's in line with all this, and it happens more there than it does almost anywhere else in the world. And then when you see everything else, the elongated skulls that, frankly, beggared belief. Imagery and stuff that seems to, the way that they praised genetic deformations, it seems almost unthinkable they wouldn't be trying to, imagine if everybody in your society praised kids that were looked a certain way, wouldn't you necessarily, I mean, wouldn't some people want to have kids that look that way? Right, and there was probably some benefit that also came with that. Exactly. Again, an intellect, something. Even if it was just a social one, even a kid could be, think about this, one person born with those weird teeth and a cleft palate that's also a little Einstein-y, it only takes one. From now on, it's like, this guy looks like Einstein. Right, right, right, he's cool. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Sometimes it can feel like you're carrying the weight of the world on your shoulders, and for guys especially, it can feel like you have to carry that burden on your own. 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Talk it out with BetterHelp. Our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com slash J-R-E. That's betterhelp.com slash J-R-E. That's like when people in the 1400s were getting syphilis and they all started wearing the big wigs. Exactly, exactly. Just took that one royal family with syphilis to wear wigs and everybody's like, gotta wear a wig. We follow these trends, right? People are weird that way, but here we are. That's a weird one. The higher classification of a person who is born with other human DNA that's given them specific traits. But the thing about the monster rat stuff, that doesn't seem like a human. If that's real, the three fingers and the three toes, and don't they have extra ribs? Yeah. Something like that, or extra vertebrae? The size of the head, the whole thing looks so weird. You're like, okay, if this really has been carbon dated to 1200 years ago, if that's legit, what is that? Because I don't think that 1200 years ago people were capable of recreating something like that that's gonna survive in a CAT scan. Why would you do the kind of work that they did that you can only see from a CAT scan? Because the entire outside of it is covered, right? It's got the white clay and it's all mummified and there's tissue that's mummified. How the fuck did you do that? That's a good point. And again, the one gene that's responsible for polydactyly in mice, when they introduced it, the GLI3 variant that happens in Denisovans and Neanderthal in mice caused extra ribs, extra vertebrae, skull misshapen, dental morphology fucked up, and sometimes extra fingers. Sometimes good extra fingers, sometimes bad extra fingers. Did the mice figure out how to get it out of the cage? I don't think so. They started getting really smart. They started leaving notes. Pink scratch notes in the window, let me out. Pinky, today we conquer the world. Well, do you think the Smithsonian has had giant bones? Yes, not only that, but this is funny. When I was here last time, I would have told you, I don't think so. I mean, maybe six foot five, but I've done a lot of research in it since then. Fuck. Okay. One dude who I'm sure I'll get his name wrong. His name was Eos Heidlika. He was a guy from Hungary who was a medical doctor. He had this theory that's a lot like the same theories of phrenology, like Leonardo DiCaprio poking on the back of the skull. Boy, that makes you docile. Except for it was all encompassing with the skeleton. He believed that you could do it with arm bones and leg bones and all of it. So he left medical science to become an anthropologist to push that narrative. He fucking said it point blank. And then he goes out and says, oh, all these Indian bones that you guys have that are bigger than white people bones, didn't happen. This guy's got a vested interest in proving that white people are superior. And he believes that you prove this by the skeletons. And he comes out and debunks all the giant bones. And the way he did it, he's like, oh, see these bones? These aren't giant bones. It's like, dude, that's, yeah, when I get pulled over by the cop, I pull out the, I don't have any drugs on me, officer. See, these are cigarettes. What year is this again? 1930s. And are there images of these bones this guy's displaying? No, very, very little. It's almost all of this has just been scrubbed. So what was he saying those bones were? He was just saying that, he said that people mis-measured them. This is where it gets really, really ugly. He accuses people, some of these guys were really good at their job and he'll accuse them of mis-measuring them and not knowing how to properly apply a tape measure. And the worst example of this, in 1959, 20 years after this dude's done this, the dude in charge of the Department of the Humanities at the Carnegie Museum, Dr. Don Dugu, dug up in one of these adena mounds, a skeleton. And he says, according to the in-ground measurements, this indicates an individual that in life would have been seven foot, three inches tall. They debunk it by saying, well, this is just an in-ground measurement. He didn't do any other work with it or anything. It's like the man flat out said it indicates. He was, it's 1959, 15 years after they had all the mathematical formula for doing skeletons. This guy, they threw him straight under the fucking bus to debunk that skeleton that you can't find anywhere because they won't show it to you. So it's like, and this was in 59, again, and a guy in charge of a big department of the Carnegie Museum, not Dan digging in the backyard. So is there a chain of custody of that skeleton? Like, can that be traced? All the way to the Carnegie Museum where we don't know what happened to it now. This is a consistent issue with these remains. If it's a giant bone or an elongated skull and you wanna know more about it, real good chance you're not gonna be able to find anything. So what do you think was going on? Do you think there was a completely different species of enormous people? Or maybe even just some of us that had the different, just some different DNA in us than somebody else, just a little bit of, I mean, honestly- A six finger, six toe thing keeps coming up. Yeah, that's, again, we get that now with just a little bit of Neanderthal DNA, right? So you get a different species that had more Denisovan in them than us, and still technically might be the same species, but not quite. Do you think it's possible that these giants were Denisovans? It's possible. Because Denisovans were a lot larger than us, right? Yeah, at least six inches, I'd say, yeah. And if you had a big one, like there's Shaq, right? And there's me, you know what I mean? Like, if you have a really big one, like, isn't it possible that there's a range of even those things? Like, we only have a couple bones, right? And I think there's something that just came out from China about Homo juluensis, you know, that they think it might be Denisovan, that it might be the same thing, right? Yeah, Dragon Man, the same thing. That's been out for a little bit now, but yeah, they're- There was something that was like super recent where they were proposing, because I think they're trying to figure out what we're talking about, but we're talking about it from just a couple of bones. There's not a lot. It's not like they had a whole graveyard filled of Denisovans with various heights and weights, and they can get an estimation of like what the medium was. Oh yeah, the vast majority of what we know about them comes from DNA. Right. Vast majority. Yeah, so we have a few bones, but then it's like, how big? How big were they? Like, is this a 12 foot tall person? Is that real? Although- There's five foot tall people and there's nine foot tall people. Exactly. What's the tallest person today? Like eight foot? Alive now, I'm not sure, but like Robert Wadlow was like- But he had like a real problem. Yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, giant, gigantism. That's like a tumor on the pituitary gland. Yeah, you just keep on growing. Yeah. But I think that just for just an outsized, enormous person, I think the record today is like, okay, eight foot, 2.8 inches in 2011. Yo, Sultan Kosen of Turkey. Okay. Come on, man. Guy lives in Turkey. This is like one of the oldest DNAs in the world, where Gobekli Tepe is. Is this guy a giant? Holy crap. What size is that guy? Holy crap. What does he look like when he's standing up? Put him over there. Okay. And he doesn't even look like he has gigantism. Does he? I don't know. He just looks like a giant dude. He doesn't have like a misshaped head or anything like that. Either way. Pretty impressive. Now, imagine, is that a gene thing? Like is that capable of being, is that old? Is that some old DNA from some other kind of human? Or is that just a really big person? That's a different guy right here. That's a different guy. That's a guy in China, right? And the six fingers, six toes ones, is that ubiquitous? Is that, does that occur in all of the reports of these bodies? No, it doesn't. Some of them have two rows of teeth. Some of them have six fingers and six toes. What is, like, I got pretty skeptical about, because there's a lot of giant reports in America where people were digging up mounds. And so I got kind of skeptical about who I was taking it from, like Joe Farmer, I just was like, okay, maybe not. But if the guy was, it's like some of these guys were really good at what they did and they'd say they recorded something and it was. So there's probably a dozen solid accounts that are from people that weren't bullshit artists that had more to lose than they did to gain. And some of them were, two of them in particular are like good scientists, like well-known anthropologists respected in their field and they were finding giant bones. And even today, like that guy that I told you about, Dr. Dondragoo, there is an anthropologist right now that like two or three years ago, she debunked his work by claiming that he just did an in-ground measurement and that was it. And it's like, he clearly said, this indicates an individual that was this tall in life. It's like, I did a measurement on this and it indicates that's clearly telling you I didn't just take a dead measurement. And they just throw his ass right under the fucking bus in order to keep this narrative going. And that's where it's weird to me because I don't think Flint Dibble and all of his friends give two shits about the giant narrative like Rockefeller does. I think it's way more of an ego thing with them because archeology is not a fucking science, Joe. Not even close. It functions like a science, like religion does. So these guys, they all know it. They know they're LARPing as scientists. They know when they call us science deniers, they're full of shit. So they just have, the only thing they can do is puff their chest because- Well, some of it is science, right? Sure, some of it is. Let me put it to you like this. So why are you saying? Archeology is a study of human culture by material remains. Okay, now science, the cornerstone of science is replicability, arguably. If I combine hydrogen and oxygen and you combine hydrogen, we should get the same thing. Now, if I dig up something in my backyard, can you replicate that? Or are you beholden to, what if Joseph Smith digs up gold plates and I dig up an arrowhead? You believe one and not the other? Right, but you can put protocols in place where you have a bunch of people that are all responsible for making sure that everything goes according to plan and they all report to someone else. But how is it replicable? Well, it's not replicable, but they are exposing these ancient remains and they are using- Well, you can use some scientific- Carbon dating. Absolutely, they're using physics there, but that's physics, right? That's what it really comes down to. Fundamentally, archaeology cannot be scienced any more than theology. Fundamentally, a miracle, you either believe or you don't. I dug up something in my backyard, you either believe it or you don't. You can't replicate either one of these things. Right, but you can film people pulling things out of the ground. Would you like- You can prove that it's old. You can- But there's a lot of instances where they're doing a construction dig in Mexico City and they find stone, they stop construction, archaeologists come in. There's a whole chain of custody of where this stuff's coming from. Absolutely. So isn't that kind of scientific? Kind of. I mean, again, there's a chain of custody on the Epstein letters, right? Right. But at a point it falls apart because of do you believe or do you not? That's what it really comes down to with archaeology is I can't replicate the findings. And if you can't replicate that, I'm not saying it's worthless. Right. A historian knows better than to call themselves a scientist. They know it's not- They use scientific methods. A video game speed runner, if you know what that is, somebody who's trying to beat Super Mario Brothers, they use science. So you'll put an archaeologist more in the line of a historian? Absolutely. Well, yeah. Both of them call somebody else when it comes time to carbon date. Again, the reproducibility is crucial. And the argument that they always go to is, well, astronomy is not reproducible. If you have a supernova, you can't reproduce that. Well, yeah, except I have 100 telescopes all trained on it. So this guy's data set and that guy's data set, jibe, it's been reproduced. If I've got one arrowhead to dug up out of the ground, we either believe that this dude dug up the arrowhead out of the ground or we don't. And this especially matters when it comes to these unique one-off finds. It's one thing when it's an arrowhead. It's another thing altogether when it's the Antikythera mechanism. Right. This is where our archeology becomes, some people, you could understand why somebody might believe the Antikythera mechanism's bullshit. And at that point, it goes directly what I'm saying. It's faith-based. Does this coincide with my worldview or not? Which is why archeology is like this huge split in between these people that, the guys that are trying to puff their chest and say that it really is what they claim it to be. And then there's the people that are actually just doing good work. And they'll be quick to tell you, you know, at the end of the day, our results aren't, you know, we do science where we can, but we can't say for sure that our results are scientific because it's a lot of guesswork at the end. And that becomes a problem when they do things like Clovis first. When they're like, we're going to use our science to beat everything else off the table. It's not fucking science, bitch. So get it out of here. And that's where, yeah, the same thing, like I was saying earlier with the COVID thing, you don't get to, too many of us know what the scientific method is for you just to come in here and tell us it's something else. It's fucking not. Well, when Dibble was trying to deny that they did that, like deny that archeologists will attack people that have evidence. something that contradicts their assertions. Like, that's crazy to deny. There's so much history of that. This episode is brought to you by Visible. As fall hits, we enter another season of change. 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It's like, dude, okay, that same guy I was telling you about, Ailes Heidelicke, that racist son-of-a-bitch with the Giants, he believed that there were no people in the Americas before 3,000 years ago. And even on the Wikipedia page of the Folsom tradition, it still says now that any archaeologist desirous of a successful career could not posit an earlier date for the peopling of the Americas or him, and one other dude would destroy their fucking careers. This isn't the first time it's been going... It's ego. And it's men, mostly, right? It's human men and their egos, and wanting to be the gatekeeper of information. I'm an authority. I'm the authority figure, yeah. Well, imagine the shot to the ego it takes to be a guy like Flint. You study all your time, and you study all this crap, and then Graham comes along, and he studies, and he writes a fake history, and you write a fake history, and his sells more. Oh, man, that's just gonna cry right up in his ass. And it does. But I just don't like, also, that someone comes along, and they're super obsessed with a subject, and they're not confined by the academic world, where they have to get funding to do certain studies, they have to get things approved, they want to get tenure, they have to get the approval of the higher-ups. There's all sorts of stuff that happens in the academic world that doesn't happen in the world of the Jimmy Corsettis, and the Luke Caverns, and these people that could just go to places and start filming. You know, Ben Van Kirkwood can just go places and start filming, and become huge experts in this stuff. I mean, the information that's available about the Old Kingdom, about all these things, it's all available. Like, anyone can read it if you take the time, and if you really dive into it. And these guys have dove into it, and a lot of these other guys haven't. And that's the thing, and they're a little lazy. Maybe not lazy, but let's say this, not as obsessed. So they should look at the Ben Van Kirkwoods as a resource. Thank you. I've been saying this one for a long time, but they do the opposite. I'll give you a perfect example. Jimmy Corsetti, two years ago on X-Posts, I wonder if the Nephilim in the Bible were the Denisovans or the Neanderthal, or something like that. At the time, they didn't know Denisovans were taller than us, so all the archaeologists, oh, Jimmy's stupid, the Nephilim were supposed to be taller than us, and both of these species are shorter. And I even said, I'm like, let's let this go a couple of days, and I'm gonna show you guys what you're doing wrong. And I let him go at it, and then I was like, okay, let's try this. As a science communicator, let's try it like this. Hey, Jim, those ones are shorter than humans, but there are other species of archaic hominid, like Gigantopithecus, that were taller than us, that might fit the bill. Why don't you look into that and see what you find? You take somebody's passion, they're looking at the rabbit hole, you shove them in headfirst. That's science communication. Telling them the rabbit hole ain't fucking there, clover your eyes, that's being a con. Well, I also think we should all operate, all human beings, under this assumption. We don't have all the evidence for all the humans that lived. We just don't. We only have a tiny fraction, we have fossilized remains, especially when shit gets really old. We don't have enough data. Yeah. And if you just operate on we don't have enough data, which is pure, pure, everyone should agree on that. So once you have it, then say, okay, this is the data we have, and this points to the fact that new humans are emerging, that we're finding, and we might be wrong about the number that existed. And potentially there could be a cave somewhere in Siberia or wherever, and they find another bone. And they go, holy shit, what is this one? This is a totally different kind of person, and now you have another one, and you have another one, and who knows how many of them there were. And this will give us a richer understanding of what took place. And then I think Michael Buttons has a really good video where he's talking about how anatomically human, anatomically similar humans existed a long time ago. Like, why would we assume that civilization and complex thinking and tool making and technology only emerged in the last couple hundred years, when the exact same species existed hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of years ago? Isn't it possible that something, some human a long time ago, had figured out some stuff, and we have no evidence of it anymore, because of just natural wear, and the weathering, and the earth absorbs things, there's nothing left. That seems more logical. Yeah, I completely agree. Yeah, I love Mike, he's great. Michael Button, yeah, he's great. It's one of the things, honestly, just really quickly, I've loved watching the last year and a half since I've been on here, Left, while you just kind of went through my litany of friends and stuck them in this chair, one after the fucking other, man. It's like, hey, that's Luke, hey, I know that cuck, I know that guy, hey! That was really good to see, man. It's a fun time, it's a fun time to get cool people to talk about cool shit. And the passion that these guys have, like you say, that's honestly, it's a huge thing. You know, Duncan gave me a really good, really good compliment, Duncan Trussell saying that I was like, that I was all passionate, like a fucking, well, what's that guy that did all calculus and stuff, the old-school Sir Isaac Newton, and I was like, damn, I don't think I'm like that, but thank you. Probably got as many chemicals in my body, but... Was Isaac Newton a tripper? No, no, he was a, he was an alchemist, so he, like, died of mercury poisoning. Did he really? This is one of the funniest things, I love saying this one on Twitter, I say it once every couple years. The world we live in now, where they'll take a scientist and they'll say like, yeah, but this guy's political opinions are all skewed, so fuck this guy. It's like, you know what they would have done with Sir Isaac Newton? We wouldn't have the theory of gravity or calculus. They'd have been like, yeah, that guy denies the Trinity, and he's fucking an alchemist. Why would I put up with this crazy guy's bullshit? It's like, it's, yeah, but yeah, it's, it's, it's, that's one of the things I've actually come to a lot of terms with on my own little searching in this community, is that there's a lot of people that I disagree with on fucking 80%, but that 20% that they're, if they bring honest data to the table, yeah, like, and my best example of this is, goes all the way back to the 1880s, Karl Christian Raphen, or the 1830s even, he was a anthropologist. He was, he believed that the Norse discovered America before Columbus, and the reason he believed this was because every time he'd see a rock with a glyph on it, he's like, man, them dumb Indians didn't know how to carve no fucking rocks. Granted, all their weapons are made out of stone, but anyway, they don't know how to make this, so must have been a white guy. So he does research, research, research, research, and eventually finds out that it was the Norse that be, now he was pissing up a rope with his fucking line of evidence, but he did honest research, and he got us real data. Right. So I'm finding a lot that I just have to like, I really don't like you, but okay, what do you got to say? This is a part of the problem with the Atlantis thing, and this is why guys like Flint always connected to racism, because there were a group of people that were white supremacists that believed that the white race was responsible for Atlantis, but those, those are not like credible historians. These are also not in the same group of people as Graham, or you, or Ben Van Kerkhoek, or any of these people. No one is saying that. So to connect people to something like Atlantis, where there are problematic people that believed something that was racist, just because you're talking about Atlantis doesn't mean everybody who's in investigating Atlantis is also problematic and racist. That's crazy. Well, they say, well, it encourages racism, and my, I always jump with, they go, well, you see how many, their evidence, you see how many white supremacists cite this stuff, and I always, I always go, well, you see how many white supremacists cite all kinds of statistics. And drink water. Poverty, and crime, and all these other things. Should we, should we get rid of all of these statistics, too? We should just quit gas, anything that a white supremacist might use. Do you remember the MacTonight commercial? Was the, the big, the McDonald's Moon Man? No. Don't you remember, years ago, like, we were kids in the 80s, when I was a kid in the 80s, it's the, they had a big Moon Man guy that was singing a Mac the Knife parody. When the clock strikes half-past six, babe, time to head for golden lunch. Okay, about 15 years ago, they started using a thing with, like, some weird voice chat, and this guy's, and making racist memes. Does that mean that McDonald's is fucking racist, or does it just mean that racists will co-opt fucking anything, including Pepe the Frog? Pepe the Frog is the best example. Thank you. That poor guy who made Pepe the Frog. He was just like, please make it stop. That guy was like, that's not me. And so, but, so, and that's, that's exactly what these guys do, man. We, we can't talk about anything without it being racist. It's like, well, that's just a way to dismiss you. It's, it's a way to wep it, and to drag other people in. Yeah. Hey, man, this guy's talking shit about the pyramids. Yeah, whatever. Oh, he's also racist. Oh, fuck, we got, 5% of them came over. Cool. Yeah. It's, yeah, it's really pathetic, and, you know, in all honesty, you know, I get shit during the election cycles from friends, and from fans, that, for not supporting X, Y, or Z. And I always tell them the same thing. Look, Thutmose III or fucking SETI II. I talk about ancient history, bitch. I'm not talking about modern politics. That's not what I'm doing. It's not, and I'm certainly not going to endorse somebody on my platform. As a matter of fact, why do you care what Beyonce says about this shit? Why do you care about any of these fucking, these people aren't political analysts. Why do you care that much? Why are you crawling up my ass about, well, yeah, but you know, you've got the, people want, people want us to all be towing a certain, it's, it's funny. I swear to God, it's like the whole country's got, like, probably a third of us are little Hitlers. The whole world would be better if everybody just thought just like me. It's like, fucking Christ. And they think they're the open-minded, compassionate ones. It's really weird. It's just the nature of the tribal world that we're living in right now, and it's so divided. And this is one of the giant problems with social media. And I think it's great that everyone has an opinion, and I think it's great that everyone gets to express an opinion. It doesn't mean that you should listen. It doesn't mean you should absorb it. It doesn't mean that it's a valid opinion. You'll find the valid opinions, but you have to sort through the bad ones. And this is how it's always going to be. It's always going to be that how people have a take on it that you fiercely disagree with. People have the least charitable view of this person, or this idea, or this thing. You're always going to have a spectrum of ideas, and you have to allow it. That's how it is. And you have to counter that with a better perspective. That's it. And if you're coming at it from, you want to silence and destroy everyone who disagrees with you, especially on something as complex as ancient history, that seems like you're doing a bad thing. It seems like you're denying the resource of all these obsessed people. Yeah, I completely agree with you. As a matter of fact, if they're getting something wrong, yeah, have a conversation with those people and explain why they're getting something wrong. But be good faith about it. The Society for American Archaeology's original bylaws, their very first law was, their intention was to cultivate a better relationship between interested amateurs and professional archaeologists, and to offer help when requested to those interested amateurs. They're doing neither one of those things right now. Number one, they are pissing all over the relationship between people that are interested amateurs and the professional archaeologists. They can't even talk to each other anymore. Well, don't you think that's also a little bit of jealousy? Because these interested amateurs have all of a sudden come to the forefront, and they're making money off of it. Oh yeah, oh yeah. When Boyd found out that I had supporters, he lost his shit. People pay him money for this, oh my fucking god! Silly, silly to worry about that. But it's also like just YouTube revenue. Guys like Ben Van Kerkhoek's videos get millions of views, you know? Like there's there's real money in it, and they're not making money. No, not like that. And they got to be pissed. I'm sure that's part of it. I went to school for this! But the other thing, and to get into that bylaws, it says to offer help when requested to interested amateurs. When's the last time Graham Hancock asked one of these cocksuckers for their opinion? They don't. They give him the help whether he wants it or not. They've completely lost the plot. Well, the problem is the way they frame it. Like when they were talking about his Netflix show being one of the most dangerous shows on television, how is it dangerous to talk about evidence of a lost civilization? That seems insane. Dude, they're, they're eager... Are at the for you have you ever read that letter from that to that they wrote to net yes, okay? Do you they had three problems right and? They list them one two three now you would assume these are professional archaeologists They're talking about Graham Graham. How could you assume number one is he got a bunch of shit wrong, right? No number one is he talked shit about archaeologists, and he doesn't listen to us. That was number one It was they couldn't even hide their ego in the fucking list It's like Also, not true. They're petulant children. I swear to fucking God also not true. Yeah, he listens Oh, dude. He puts them on yeah The difference is he doesn't want to deal with the guy if you're gonna come in and just poopoo everything and say no That's not true. No. That's not true. No. That's not true. Well, then yeah, you're not gonna Yeah, I'm not gonna put up with that shit you guys have an actual conversation with me sure But if you're just what were the other two problems the other two problems one was that he was wrong well the other one Was that it promotes white supremacy? Best part about that is they say because This this theory that the exact wording is this theory dates to 1882 and Ignatius Donnelly blah blah blah Ignatius Donnelly was a Left he was liberal as fuck. He was a feminist and a abolitionist, but he was also a white dude in the 1800s He's racist fuck by modern standards right just like all the archaeologists were back then, but they don't bother with that They pick him and they say this guy's the one that started the problem. He's the one that created this theory but you go back 20 years and Augustus Le Penon and some other dude I've Losing his name right now But there were two French Americans that Believed that the Maya had caught were the Atlanteans that the Amaya had conquered the world of the Maya were the master race if you're Going to look at it that way But they're going to ignore that when they submit this stuff to Netflix because it doesn't just they wanted to make it sound like this entire shit was created to support white supremacy when it was actually not but they So my point here is in a debate when it constantly revolves around you guys are lying about our past They lie about what happened 15 fucking minutes ago on the Internet We could all see it, and then they wonder why we are like ha you guys do lie about the fucking boneheads Sorry, so this this guy what was his theory the first guy that is problematic even though he's a liberal and a feminist Oh, well, he believed that it was white supremacy. He believed that the three biblical races Do you know of that like Noah's three kids? Sam is the Semitic race the Hamite race was the Africans and then the other one ended up being the Aryans there was the white people and These three biblical races have biblical racism they call it It's been like a thing for thousand years But he just clung to that idea that it was basically these races of after post Noah and all this So like you know the story with Noah like he got drunk afterwards. No, okay And you might want to pull this enough Jimmy After it's all done Noah gets all drunk And he's like later on naked and one of his sons laughs at him and one of them one of them doesn't so like he Curses the lowest of them and he praises the highest and what do you see the Bible the Bible verse? He was like you're gonna be the servants to this one and he can sleep in your tent whenever he wants and you can see Why the this was used to promote? racial superiority but it's That's where it came from so if they really wanted to they could have been saying the Bible created racism and that was a problem But it's also very silly to connect the idea of ancient civilizations to one person That's so silly It's so silly yeah when you're talking about evidence all over the world. We're talking about Baal back. We're talking about the Maya We're talking about the Egyptians We're talking about all over the world and you're gonna connect it to white supremacy isn't it more plausible that we don't know What happened just a little bit I mean But you gotta understand these guys are the ones that follow like I I'd I break your rule some and I argue with the people In the trenches right and the guys that follow flint dibble. They have all the time They'll make fun of you you believe in lost civilizations and not my answers. Do you think we found every civilization? Oh, no, so you're just throwing around stupid shit. Just talking crap I Idea that there'd be evidence left over other than the stuff that we've already found like what are you looking for that's a hundred thousand? Years old. Yeah, it doesn't mean that there wasn't something going on a hundred thousand years ago And it seems like there was definitely something going on at least twelve thousand years ago So that fucks up our whole timeline Oh, yeah, and they want to still attribute that to hunter-gatherers just for convenience the idea that they go back to the tepee Structures were made by hunter-gatherers like why would they do that? Yeah, how did they do that? How come they didn't make houses, but they made that stuff. Yeah, how come well? It's that's a tough one man. You know, what were their tools? They're looking at, you know car on Tepe They're actually talking about covering that again. Like you know, we like to did it go back which is fucked I don't know if you know a megalithic mania Hugh Newman He's he's there not a lot of people that I would would mention on your show, but he's definitely one of them he's he's he's a badass he's been doing this forever and He's doing all this archaeoastronomy work out there at car on Tepe and they're covering they're getting ready to cover it. He's just going Are they covering it? Claiming is to for tourism to protect the site and all this. Yes. What do you think it is? I don't know it might that might well be it. I do know doesn't protect the site though. You don't allow But it's stone, right? Yeah, I mean honestly Honestly, it gets weird when you look at the third world because or poor countries like that because you know My iPhone could feed a family over there for a month So it's like these guys are gonna do they've got a different set of priorities than us, right? So Wouldn't you think that more things getting exposed would equal more tourism, which would equal more revenue? Yes, and no Um, I did a video a while back about Zahi who was being a heel like like a wrestling heel Deliberate I'm a hundred percent on this. Really? Oh, yeah. Well, I'm not saying that he doesn't to do shady shit I'm saying that he plays the villain I Give you some examples. There's a clip of him after shortly after Arab Spring He's talking about how to increase tourism. He has two things is one. You don't want tourists from any old country You want Japanese Americans Chinese Germans? You don't want the rest. You want people to come in and change your world? Second thing is Doesn't matter what's happening in Egypt those new-age people they come Doesn't matter if it's Arab Spring doesn't matter if tourism is down by 40% those new-age people they come he's so then Did I find something? Yes, I found it. No, I did it. No, I didn't. Yes, I did. Yes, I did No, I didn't. No, I did it. Yes, I did. It's Your come and investigate come and investigate come and look come and see for yourself Come and pop into those little holes and look for yourself. Go go look at the place that I told you There was nothing I think honestly, that's his whole Reason that he's playing it to the hilt and I think Lee Claire's doing the same thing right now if you watch Lee Claire on I don't know that Lee Claire is the archaeologist in charge of gobekli Tepe He's a big big dude down there. And if you look at him on Twitter, he's doing the exact same thing He's constantly arguing caught. He's picking at Jimmy. I actually blocked the guy don't block many scientists But I'm not that aren't constantly antagonistic towards me. He was at every day. I'd wake up anymore talking shit about me. Just Pissing everybody off and the whole point in my opinion is to make it where people want to come and look at what you're hot If just something's being hidden you have to have a villain hiding it right? Give me a touchstone So I what the fuck is all he what think about what is all he was hiding? 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Oh, no I'm not saying that he didn't steal stuff the weird stuff with things missing It's like you would want to really control the narrative if like skeletons that you reported Discovering then you say there's no skeletons, right? Isn't there one of those and one of the sarcophagus is Yeah, Jimmy was hammering away at that one. There was an original story from like the 80s That they found the skeleton and they just no no skeleton And the problem is what we're talking about before that there are wealthy people that will pay you an enormous amount of money for the Skeleton, so if you got some dude, you know, he's got Saudi Arabian money and he's like, you know, it'd be dope I want a fucking Egyptian mummy in my house, you know, and people had them I mean, this was the thing that they were eating them. Yes. Yes. Yes God what? He's like what the fuck Yeah, people would have these mummy unwrapping parties at their homes These are very wealthy people and they would eat the mummies. I bet you a lot of those elongated skulls ended up in similar I Know like whose house how many houses who are these people? Like how does no one tell on them? I don't know. But I mean you could what you know Five years ago. I would have said Dean. I don't know about all this man. How you look at that island What would you do if somebody gave you an elongated skull would you give it to a museum like what would you do? Like if somebody gave you one of those really dope Peruvian skulls that are crazy without the sagittal suture You look at the enormous brain capacity the size of the head like what the size the eye sockets I have scientists after scientists finger fucking that thing till we got somewhere, right? But would you bring it somewhere where other people could see it? Would you allow the scientists to take control of it and to take hold of it? Because this is my friend John Reeves up in Alaska, you know, he's had some real issues with that Yeah, where they'll take bones and then they go up. Nope. Never get them back. Yeah, no Yeah, and he won't but this is before his time but yeah they did that was that the American Museum of Natural History, is that it? So the the thing he does now is like if you want to do work on these bones, you got to come to Alaska Yeah, and he built a whole scientific research building and no, it makes sense. Yeah He's like, I don't trust any of you motherfuckers help. You know where the Baghdad battery is right now, don't you where nobody knows? It was grabbed by alphabet boys at the beginning of the 2000s when we still which alphabet boys ours, but which one? Sure, maybe one we don't even know about all I know is it I'm just gonna say I doubt that the soldier that went in there had decided he wanted that thing for himself, right? But I speaking of the Baghdad battery. I got a cool little theory on that I don't know if you ever seen that but I don't think it was for electricity I think it was to separate metal if you were to use for the electrolyte if you were to take mine runoff that had like Gold and silver and copper and iron and nickel and magnum II all that bullshit You put it in that that thing after a while that exact cell that we had The copper would built would have a buildup of gold copper and silver all the other shit would go to the bottom so you could it would I think it was a way for them to like Separate and I think that the discovery this would be super easy drop a copper coin and a metal nail into a puddle of that And come back in two days and you're gonna see the buildup of gold on that coin And so this explains why inside of the thing like there's no residue at all Which is one of the reasons they say it didn't happen Well, they were harvesting the residue is my in my opinion and this is why you couldn't trace amounts Now that's where it would be nice to test it. Now. It hasn't been looked at in a long time You know, it hasn't been been hard. It hasn't been tested for anything in a where is it? It's gone It's in somebody it's right next to those skulls and those mummies. It's on some dude's shelf that will really yes This is a picture of a street mummy seller in 1875 So this article in the big thing was saying that this was so popular from 1200 to about 18th Sorry, the 12th century 18th century That they kind of ran out of mummies. Yeah And imagine you could fly over there and pick up a mummy well, that's before these parties are even happening Corner over there. No, they thought it was medicine. Yeah And imagine about this once before but there's these this shit exists all over the place And I wonder if any of them would have been better than kufus. So what a lot 99 apothecary antiques Right up there upper left. Yeah, what? Yeah, look at that. Yeah apothecary. So this is like medicine mummy. Yeah, so it's like mummy juice This article gets fucking gross mummy powder Sprinkled on your stage. There was so many they were so popular for a long time. They disappeared kind of it's hard to get them So these started forging Oh How dark and then people bought all the dead bodies Not all doctors thought dry old mummies made the best medicine some doctors believe that fresh meat and blood had a vitality the long dead lacked It's all the guys went to the island Napoleon was bringing them back, and then they would have some parties quote-unquote party But that was just still like they were doing like research almost if you could say like some medicine Research and then that didn't last I was like 30 years of that, and then they just started having actual parties to show How rich you? Hold up pause right here 1834 the surgeon Thomas Pettigrew unwrapped a mummy at the Royal College of Surgeons in his time Autopsies and operations took place in public and this unwrapping was just another public medical event Soon after soon even the pretense of medical research was lost by now mummies were no longer medicinal Thrilling a dinner host who can entertain an audience while unwrapping was rich enough to own an actual mummy The thrill of seeing dried flesh and bones appearing as bandages came off meant people flocked to these unwrappings Whether in a private home or the theater of a learned society strong drink meant audiences were loud and appreciative and then at some point they tried to Getting cursed by doing this. Oh, yeah, of course, but I wasn't the people that vowed take two didn't comments to him Did they all die? That's what this comes up with next is to in common Yeah, sudden death of Lord. Yeah, Arnarvon. Mm-hmm well, I mean You can understand why people would think that too I mean you're going around and not just defiling the grave and you eat the motherfucker. Come on Oh, so it might there might be something to a curse like that. Oh, yeah Especially if you believe it, that's the problem That's how I think voodoo really works if you really believe that someone could put a hex on you Oh, no, I was joking with this hippie girl in Sedona about that. She was telling me about Practical magic look at this today the black market of antiquity smuggling including mummies is worth about three billion dollars So today still the black market right now three billion a year a Year a year That's a lot. Yeah, that's a fortune. That's a fort and just in shit that should be in a museum Three billion a year. Yeah it just makes sense when we think see people that are just fucking insane and They're rich and they just want a thing that no one that's like the whole thing about like Rhino horn, right? They want to drink rhino horn tea because nobody could get it because it's illegal Yep, you guys are talking about the Rockefellers earlier and I thought there's a museum started in Jerusalem where they're the Rockefeller Archaeological Museum Mmm, they had 60,000 artifacts dating back to 2 million years ago including a Reported 100,000 year old skeleton almost complete. Damn. Whoa They also had another one that was 6,500 years old that a while ago is being reported as Noah This is where the Dead Sea Scrolls were for a while until they were taken over and then moved to and the Dead Sea Scrolls a Different museum now that Israel has been officially formed because they were there when it wasn't actually Officially Israel, I guess Wow and there's a Copper scroll I just stumbled across I didn't know about that was moved to Amman and is now part of the Jordan Museum Wow, what's that one of the That was a part of the Dead Sea Scrolls it was made out of copper Whoa, well, that's a replica. Well, that part is probably I guess but yes, it was found in cave 3 Mmm where everything else is written on parchment. This was written on metal Holy shit That's insane copper mixed with about 1% tin Although no metallic copper remained in the strips the action the centuries had been Unlike the others it's not a literary work but a list of 64 places where various items of gold and silver were buried or hidden Not a story. It's a treasure map Wow a treasure map written on copper And a day when copper was a treasure Wow And this is a facsimile is now on display There's gotta be so much we're missing. Oh so much we're missing So much like just think of Sub-saharan Africa Used to be lush and green like what is under there? What's under there? Yeah, that's you dead on exactly all across there's so many places in the world that are that way if you ask me that's like like Easter Island Um when the sea levels were lower and that thing was a little bit lower It was a little bit lower. Yeah, it was a little bit lower Like Easter Island um when the sea levels were lower and that thing was a lot bigger and it was part of a series of islands that jump from One to the next, you know You know what navels of the world are right? What navels of the world like navel? Yeah, like a world like the yigdrasil the world tree right like connects the underworlds here and heavens This idea is super common through it. Cusco had one. Uh, the wailing wall is one you're gonna kiss the wall. That's good That's uh, that's the that's that's a world navel These are always the oracle at delhi world navel These are always centers of the society Right jerusalem delhi cusco except for there's one at easter island the far-flung corner of the polynesian empire Has a world navel But if you lower the sea levels and look at that as a string of islands all of a sudden it is the center of the empire So I really like to ask an area out of all the places on the planet I think easter island has the most than if we were because it's been Dug at the least and has a lot there still I mean it's been looted hard But it hasn't been looted like rome has been or egypt has been not even close And I think that I think honestly that there's going to be a lot more there the more that we look I think Unfortunately Stuff happens too quick. We we find the stuff and two days later It becomes like the tridactyl mummies two days later. It becomes a news story Half the world like you say everything's all polarized now You can it's you can even pick and choose your fucking scientists when it comes to medicine nowadays joe It's it's it's completely polarized. So when it comes to something like archaeology Hey fucking who do you want? What side of the table? Do you want you'll find somebody with credentials or close enough to get in line with you and so? I was talking to a friend of mine about the south american stuff The cartels are a huge problem because they realize this three billion dollar thing Selling these antiquities and they're selling stuff to people luke told me luke caverns He told me that he he witnessed that when he was down there There was a couple of places he went that he couldn't go into because there were guys with guns out in front Oh, wow, so they realize like hey, someone's gonna give me five million dollars for this head Yeah, yeah, that's that's and so we again we lose we lose everything we lose All the contacts how are they not losing those mummified tridactyl skeletons I'm, not really sure that's a good question, you know, I would imagine those are suit imagine We have one of those sitting on the table right here That'd be pretty cool Well, that would be pretty cool. Well, how much we have to pay for one of those? Um, probably quite well to that part of the world you might get away with 250 grand like they did those codices But mexican government like I was saying they bought those little codices pretty cheap man 250 grands a lot but it ain't a lot when you start talking about like Well, I said that to matt bell if you know who matt bell is He was like that's nothing. Well, of course to him. It's nothing but immediately the guy that has the money the 250 grand Right fucking put that on my shelf. Yeah frame that bitch. Meanwhile. He could have probably auctioned that you know, it was a family was afraid to and honestly that family been holding it for like 500 years and they all honestly, I bet they were afraid I I honestly the way things going. I don't know for sure But I wouldn't be surprised if there was some some strong arming that went on there Like you you can either get paid for it, right? Just like when the mob do you want paid off for this or do you want beat on the head? Right. It's just you wonder how much is lost like the burning of the library of alexandria all these different instances throughout history the burning of the codices What is this from peru? This is a website that's got art, uh from ancient peru for sale for sale Yeah, there's tons of interesting stuff here, but the question is how do you know if it's authentic? That's a huge because there's a lot of this stuff that's counterfeit Wow, that's dope. Look at that mask. It shows the provenance of it. So this one came from an archaeologist From 1938. How much does that cost? It says 3500 or something. I think it's should we get one for 45 50? How big is i'm not buying one? Why would you get cursed? No, I've uh, that's well says $4850 on something i'd better be able to drive it around or smoke it one Egyptian bronze cobra. Wow. Somebody bought that for 2 000 bucks. Wow add to cart right now. Wow bam Kind of sick I was honestly how old is it? 664 to 30 bce provenance ex-private new york city egyptologist collection Private new york city. Yeah, the provenance is weird on all these it's coming. Everything's coming from different places Yeah, it's interesting because that's not that expensive for what it is. You got a piece of egyptian history Yeah, well the provenance thing's kind of a big deal if the provenance on them's solid and it's after a certain date You can't sell them show me what that image looks like. So how come you how come this person can sell this? Yeah, because the provenance is going to come before that date like that. They're going to have been Been found before that date. It's like legally acquired. Yes so if it wasn't legally acquired I bet they They get you so the laws are probably much stricter now than when they acquired it Yeah, there's like it's kind of like assault rifles where there's like a time when you can it's okay to have bought them But if you bought it after that date, you can't have it or like pre-ban ivory. Thank you Yeah, same kind of thing. It's like if you got that you've had this artifact on your family We're not going to go raid in the rockefeller shelves But you know the rest of you fuckers can't have any new ones you get a gold wing deity pendant for 67 grand gold shaman yo damn son bro That he got six fingers sickest What's that from? And also look he's got them. I guess you say monkey on top of his head like that two on the side Why does it say price on a request? Uh, maybe that's a estimated here Um, so when it says uh gold standing shaman, is that actual gold made out of gold There it is 89 percent gold What? You can just buy that Well, look how dope he looks look at the image on the side go to the side view the other one It looks like it's made in china Well, it's hollow. I'm that's what i'm saying. Yeah, that kind of has to be hollow way 100 pounds. Yeah, look at that What a sick looking thing Show me the front facing view again That is wild wild man. And how old is this supposed to be? Fuck. That's cool That would bring you good luck put that on your desk monkey look Fuck. Oh, man. He's got some nipples Oh, does he oh when I was looking at things hanging around. I hope he doesn't have trophy skulls Could be Yeah, look at his hands Looks like those are cups, but their faces they look but they're stainless the heads up. They do look like heads Does he have two heads in his hands? He's got way more than five fingers. Yeah, he's got seven Maybe even eight if he's got a thumb again, you can meet that guy three heads of dmt He's he's out there like show me the the face forward version at the top This one's been in alabama for a while Wow crazy, i'm sorry. And how old is it again? That's what I was trying to look up. Uh I don't know Either way, that's nuts That's pretty interesting 100 you could put it on a chain weighs 148 grams What's that in a pound? I don't think it's a lot 128 because we're all doing weed math now Half a pound maybe we're doing weed math. Okay, what is 128 grams in pounds? Yeah, 0.28 pounds a quarter of a pound Wow Pretty sick. That is cool It just makes you wonder like what what were they trying to what is that? What is that guy is that a guy you see when you trip because it seems like it especially he's all gold It seems like something you would see if you're tripping. Yeah a lot of that stuff Is there a lot of it gets really difficult for me because then I I wonder about like our iconography and it's like, you know, somebody could look at something like that belt and be like I wonder what the symbolism is behind that belt at the end of the day. It's like no no symbolism It's just it looks cool or a mascot for a team, you know, exactly. Why why is everybody worshiping the spuds mackenzie? Why is everybody making the bullhorns at the ut game, yeah, yeah, but but but some of these things, you know, um are clearly you know religious and spiritual and and stay on the test of time like um there's a lot of The honoring of people with deformations down there went for thousands of years I mean this went from the olmec all the way up till the time that the spanners show up I think what's really fascinating is there's so many things that point to south america So many things that point particularly to peru so many things when you look at the megalithic architecture Especially the oldest stuff the weird crazy shapes and then you also look at the elongated heads and then you also look at the artwork that you can only see from the sky and Like how many of these fucking things do you have to see before you went what was going on here? You should look at some of the their textiles that they made in progress. Like I showed that little monkey thing Those guys were so good if you don't mind pulling up a picture of peracas textiles Jamie, they were so fucking amazing that these like when I first read about them. I was like, man Then I looked at some pictures and these are like they're otherworldly these To think that these things were being made of over a thousand years ago two thousand years ago when you when you see them, there are They're a bunch of little people with just the feathers pointed to one side like they're in motion dancing and shit um Like pick that like that one you're on right now. Jamie's a great one This one here. Uh, no the that that yellow when you were hovering over the ones with the people Look at that's a textile look at that shit 2,000 years old look at fucking how beautiful that is How well made that again you can see that if you trip yeah, I guess very it's very trippy right like it is It's very psychedelic looking. It's very psychedelic, but then you consider that that same culture Was doing all these brain surgeries they were doing the lines on the ground you were talking about there are modifying skulls They were building things they were and they had people that artisans like this. This was a culture This was a full-blown Civilization that was above and beyond anything that we'd given credit to it at this time I mean look at yeah, definitely DMT looking, but also holy shit, man Look at how artistic that is I know look at the little faces that are coming out of his whatever the fuck That boys having a bad trip Just wild it is wild art and beautiful so beautiful and so Negate like everything else in that culture. They were just it just seemed to be so massively ahead of all the contemporaries Again they had that symbol that that Paracas condelabra is visible 12 miles out to sea Right and you could think about hopping down the coast looking for that You could think about guys from Easter Island looking for that or from Polynesia looking for that We've got DNA that supports all that. There's a genetic drift both directions It looks like people went from Easter Island to per to Peru and then back is what it looks like According to the genetics and that was the big sign like welcome. Yeah, that's my thinking. I mean and again It's like hey here We're we're mingling all even if it was just here's the guys from the islands and here's the guys from up north and here's us it still it seems like a symbol of like a mixing to me like a convergence The DNA stuff again, that's where I really all got me going on it because it's just you pick your genetic deformation and You see it there like in with the back of the skull. That's just to me. It's like smoking gun It's like why were they doing this? Well, here's a very solid real excellent and then think about like the evolutionary arms race this culture is working on bigger brains that can That has all the intelligence of this species and the ability to see and hear that this species has and we're trying to get the best of both worlds and these guys aren't You're gonna get wiped out by us in a thousand years five thousand ten Evolution is gonna kill you off and prop these up I think it happened all over the fucking world and Paracas is just the last place that was still doing it But I think that that elongated schools. That's why we see it all over the world as soon as humans soon as homo sapiens and Archaic lineages with bigger brains than us on the back started mingling. I think this was like a requirement This is all post Younger Dryas impact to um Live right around that's like the oldest skulls that we know of or around 10,000 BC the oldest Yes that we know ever and the old which is post. Yes, just right at the right right after right afterwards in China So that's the other part of the question. It's like if there was a cataclysmic event that wiped out vast chunks of civilization How much was left? How much how much survived because it seemed like South America didn't get hit as hard as North America and parts of Europe and Asia, right? Yeah, and Africa was almost unscathed, right? Right, right, right Comparable, you know these according to the mega faunas, right? Right, which is so what that gets real weird. It's like so Okay, there were those people down in South America fine And what happened was that where advanced civilization existed on earth in the only place? Because advanced civilization these other places have been wiped out. Yeah, that's that's honestly I think that that makes the most sense to me and what happened to them That's the real question. Well that Baracus people. Yeah, what happened that before the full what happened to the people that built these megalithic structures? What happened to the society that existed like was it just time? Yeah, I think so like they still had you know by the time of the of the Spanish showing up the Inca were still doing those Trepanations in the skull so well that they were up to an 80% survival rate The Civil War was about 40% By the way, like our Civil War doctors and American civil the only Civil War our doctors were about at 40% But half as good as the Inca at drilling holes in heads and letting somebody sir I mean fuck dude, and why were they drilling holes in head same reason because it relieves pressure. So like Like I'm saying that they were doing it as one of the reasons to relieve the pressure from the headache But if you just get it somebody hit you in the head hard enough, you're gonna Swallow up in the brain. You got to relieve pressure. So they drill a hole to get it out This was Yeah, a lot of the musket balls that didn't kill a man out Right would leave a water on the brain kind of thing. So they'd have to do what they could to relieve the pressure We you know, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's ugly when you I would not want to if I would have got shot in The Civil War battlefield knowing what I know now, I'd say just fucking shoot me right here finish the job So my question is like why don't we see people that live in Peru with larger heads and elongated skulls today? Probably because it's illegal to do it. Is that it? Is it just a deformation thing or is it a deformation thing? You know manipulated thing on top of a cranial deformity. Okay natural. Oh, yeah No, if it was the partial natural cranial deformation I think eventually that would have been bred to be smaller and smaller and less of a pronounced issue as Those like I was showing those bones in the back that basically do the play and stuff I think that over time that that we would evolve more accommodating things for it But that it's I mean we still have people that have those Chiari malformations today You know that cat scan wasn't from 2,000 years ago. People's still have this issue, but I Think that over time, you know the ones that were too bad at it. Their brains are just too fucking big They're gonna die off and honestly, I think that there was probably some of that ink a type of clan warfare going on No, that's just complete speculation. But I mean there was something you know, I don't know There was something about a thousand years ago that caused all the cliff dwellers and all that shit Like there was none of these people lived in the cliff dwellings like 2,000 years ago and then they all moved into the cliffs and they all stayed for like a hundred years and they came back out Like there was some war going on You'd see a tribe of about 5,000 people would split up into a bunch of little bands of 500 or 200 or at the most 50 the Hila cliff dwellings. They say I had about 60 people that lived in them 60 It's nothing and they came from a place about a thousand. So you think they were trying to survive Raiders? I think that it was pretty clearly warfare And an interesting side note something that I've never I went to the Hila cliff drawings when I came through here Last month and I drove a buddy of mine we drove through New Mexico and and the big old oil fields of Texas and we stopped at the Hila cliff dwellings and So I looked them up afterwards to make my video about it and they redacted that the artifacts and shit or redact It looks like reading a fucking Epstein list emails It's just like black bar black bar black bar black bar. And what am I looking for? Just what they found and and this is just the people that lived in the cliffs. Yeah, like why would they redact? That they are archaeologists that this is the peer-reviewed archaeologists like the papers that they submitted afterwards they just because of what they found that the Explanation given is they redact information so that people don't go digging up shit, right? So they're like, okay except for in the same paper It says we didn't dig here and we think there's artifacts here a few different times They're redacting the things that they found and the people that took and on some occasions where they were found It's and it's not the only thing in South in the southwest. It's that way the more I look I see it's fairly common Why do you think they're doing that? They're finding something. They don't want people to know maybe they're selling on the black market Would be the most obvious explanation but like the most mundane, but when it becomes a ubiquitous problem something you Say the short answer is the same as why they cover up to show the Epstein list to cover it up to hide it There's something there. They don't want you to know and what for sure. I don't know What could you even speculate like what would they be trying to hide it could be nothing dwelling civilization It should be nothing more than an out-of-place artifact. It could be an out-of-place or out-of-place artifact How so like we mean like what we consider the anti-kitzer mechanism to be something that's more advanced for its time So, you know if they just found something that say they don't think that these guys could work iron and they found an iron arrowhead There that wasn't a trade piece. It was pre-columbian. You think they would redact that? I don't know, but I know they redacted a lot But is a possible explanation that they just redacted where these things were so that people wouldn't go back to the area And it would be if they didn't have so much of the of the stuff that was Like you had to expect like it'll say We went to this site and we found Black bar and then we went to this site and we found black bar So and so took black bar and then it'll be another site that it says at this site We thought there would be some artifacts, but we haven't dug yet. Well, why is it that site not black barred? That's the one that's I'm at all of them Well, that's the one I want to go to because that's the one you said there's still shit left to dig up Right, but that's the one and that according to their explanation That's the one they'd black bar, but they don't black bar that when they black so it honestly looks Convoluted it looks like they're they're they're selling a false bill of goods with that. I Haven't what are the other possibilities the reason why they would redacted other than out-of-place artifacts The first one like honestly the most mundane is just to sell stuff. That's a really cool fucking piece I'm gonna go sell it to Rockefeller and that could be it that could be it and that way they don't have to say what? Was there they redacted and then there's no need to explain where it went. That's right. 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I put it link it in the video and two weeks later I can't fucking find it again. It's like At a certain point becomes quite obvious that something's being hidden when when the maps change over a hundred years and we lose information You get on Google and ask for the island of new elongated skull It'll tell you it never happened But then you can bring up a bunch of expeditions of people that had them from the it's it's constant. It's a constant The information is just not easily accessible. It's hidden. It's covered up and I don't know why 100% don't know why I've got Some suspicions. I think some of it probably has to do with like people's belief systems as to where we came from, you know, like to give you an example like archaeology like science in general fought against the idea of gradualism and Catastrophism depending on in the early days of science. It was out to prove the Bible So things like erosion weren't what was looked at it was things like floods and the walls of Jericho collapsing But then the evolution and then geology it's about the same time it's really slow gradual So it became gradualism was the rule of the day and I shit you not these two did not become melded together in what they call punctuated equilibrium until 1980 with the discovery of the KT impact disaster the whole six-leaf crater when they accepted that The scientific community finally figured out what a fucking five-year-old could tell you that looked out the window every day Sometimes things happen slowly and gradually other times things happen catastrophically and fast It took science a hundred years to wrap its fucking head around that because of preconceived ideas based on the Bible and where we came From so I wouldn't be surprised at all if that same kind of psychology was here evolutions bullshit this proves her who knows but it seems like the psychology side of it seems most likely to me that there's some Underlying reason that they just pushing a narrative and that this is flies in the face of it But again, that's total speculation on my part One of the weirdest aspects of this whole UAP thing was that there was supposedly meetings with pastors where they were talking about some imminent disclosure that was going to be very disturbing to some of their people and the Speculation was that it was some sort of evidence of human engineering like that human beings had been genetically engineered and that religion itself had been Made by extraterrestrials in order to placate mankind and keep everybody calm and together Sure, I mean that's it's interesting stories But the weirdest one like all the the religion stuff made by aliens seems goofy People made by aliens seems less goofy. It seems like something we would do if if you went to Another planet and you found monkeys and you said well, let's take these monkeys and add a little do this do a little that I mean that if there's evidence that people were doing that in Peru if that's real We know that the Nazis were eugenics we know that that's a concept that people that people do things like that We know that we engage in genetic engineering of animals Yeah, we know that we brought back the dire wolf like there's there's a lot of weird stuff that we do now imagine something Infinitely more advanced than us that finds us. It goes a lot of potential these genes Add a little Cut cut a hundred million years out of the fucking evolutionary biological process Let's just fucking ramp these motherfuckers up right quick Go to the Zacharias ditching out route and make them lust for gold and silver and then every so often We'll just come back raid Fort Knox call it a day. It's also the book of Enoch. Yeah, it's It's really interesting. There's a lot of these things that do seem to line up with it. It's um, you know, the ancient alien stuff is Super weird, but it is like I you know, it's honestly Using the same kind of thinking that you were just using on the black bars It's like it's always The aliens are always the last thing I want to posit because the last because it's just the most unlikely like that's what you and me different Guys David Childress I was in his living room talking with him about it and he couldn't quite get where my brain is on this because I'm Skeptical but not I guess And I told him Basically, I said look at it like this if you walked into the bathroom right now And you came back in here and your wallet was missing Now I could tell you that a dog came in here and grabbed your wallet and ran out the door with it I could tell you an alien came in here and grabbed your wallet around the door with it but you're gonna think that I fucking did it and That doesn't mean there's no aliens. It doesn't mean there's no dogs It just means that we all know what's most likely and you really use that that it's just like with the black bars It's like yeah, maybe it's an out-of-place artifact or maybe he's just selling it to some fucking cocksucker And so it's all that's where I always I'm not opposed to the idea of ancient aliens, but you got to get me there But but then on the flip side like what you said about them Changing us. I mean you could take that even to the uns degree Look at like you've seen the idea that the pyramids were chemical purification plants the land of Kim, right? One of the things that he says jokingly, but he'll say, you know if an alien race came here and you were trying to set up shop one of the first things you would do would be set up ways to like Make chemicals and make make the stuff that you need to make your society and you would use what was local and what was available That does does jive right? It doesn't make sense. So there's always I mean, I'm not completely opposed the ideas But there's some things that the Occam's razor is a lot sharper on some things than others I guess you can put it but it you know, I agree But I think the most complexing most perplexing part about the pyramids is just that they exist at all Agreed that they exist at all and that they're four thousand five hundred years old at least like it's it doesn't make sense Not even it just doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense that something that is so involved and so massive and so complex and clearly has a tremendous amount of planning and geometry and understanding of so many different aspects of Construction that we have no idea how they accomplished it. There's just too many Too many things that line up with that where you just go what is going on? Like isn't it possible that we're missing something? Absolutely. We're definitely missing something with the pyramids. I mean, this is You know deal they think it was 28 years that it was Great pyramid was built in 28 based on based on written records and their assumptions that that Herodotus was right when he wrote about that part Disregard the rest what he wrote it just wrote about that maze of Saqqara. Fuck that noise 28-year pyramid. Yeah, and I've told so many archaeologists Why don't you go build a fucking fire pit in your backyard with cinder blocks and get back to me on that 28 years? It's like you guys have you don't own a fucking tool belt go There is no way well, you could have it and you'd have all these teams of people doing all this There's millions of stones. I worked as a construction. I worked in construction for a long time And this is the one in China architects and engineers fuck shit up Yeah, yes, that was nuts. I saw this one recently, but the thing I thought was a very strange They said it was abandoned in like the 14th century The yangsheng quarry these nubs are on this thing. I'm talking about the nubs being on Yeah, many different pieces. They're everywhere all over the world They were saying that they had a they must have clearly had a plan Obviously when they were starting to make it so the nubs were cut on purpose But they then abandoned it because they figured that they were they made them too big to move which is kind of They had good planning but then they also bad planning So do you think the nubs were involved in the lifting and maneuvering of these things? I would honor that one I mean That would have to be the plan. I would say if that's why they were purposefully here and they're all over it That one looks like it's carved right into the ground though right into the rock That doesn't look like a rock that was placed there. I might be wrong Yeah, this is still like they hadn't moved. He's never got moved. Yeah, right So it's but it's a part of a quarry where things did get moved, right? That's what's really crazy like look at that gap if you go back to that last picture that you just had look at the gap between those two stones now imagine that that was a Individual piece of stone that was removed from that gap and somehow placed somewhere and again how long ago? And who fucking did it who did it? And how'd you do it? How'd you do that? What are you using? Yes, and the say that's not a mystery is fucking nuts Understand why they why they want to get rid of the side of the mystery to begin with look at how that looks That looks like someone cut that out Well, I mean they started to but with what right but look how big it is Look how big the slab is that's next to that structure the one above it the blood Yeah, that thing look how big that is. Like was that cut out? It looks like it was cut out Little carving inside of it. Yeah, there's a similar. I've got him I'm trying to remember where it was in my head, but three it looks like it's floating I think it's in China to where it looks like this, but it was put on top of like this Very small a little bit of water. I know what you're talking about. It's like a fortress or something I don't want to sidetrack, but I'm gonna He was looking into this elongated heads thing. It was going on in France up until World War one. Yeah And why I'm finding a very interesting thing a lot of Neanderthals in France. Well, so they were Yeah, they were fashion, but baby bonnets were turned to the left and why baby bonnets? were Tied on the baby's heads They did it a little bit of fashion a little bit for protection But there's something here I kind of stumbled across on and I've like if you go back further in history it could make more sense that they're protecting them from spirits And if you know if you protect if you tie it tight enough Nothing's getting in there. Oh boy, and that reshaped the head and it was a Look at that poor kid. Oh god Not on purpose to reshape the head, but that's just what happened, you know Like look at that, baby. Like I said eyes bulging out like a mouse caught in a trap. Oh fuck man Yeah It might have been a protection to just like keep your kids were dying for you know All sorts of reasons back then if they thought something would get into their head to kill them, too They probably would do anything they could to protect them. Yeah now you can't increase the capacity Yeah, it didn't increase capacity is what I was saying, right? That's what they say. It's it that one's I mean Could you well, I don't know I stretch it honestly don't know I it's that one's kind of frustrating is because it again you get you can pick your expert there's people that will say these elongated skulls have a higher capacity those people that say they don't and Since you can't go put your fingers on them Fucking pick your expert here. We are again right back where we started you pick. What's your opinion? Well, that's that's the truth my friend and welcome to 2026 Okay, it's so interesting particularly Peru I mean when you just all the different things that point to a Spectacularly odd society. Oh, man. Yeah, and you just go. What was it like man? What was what was reality for them? Why did they make those Nazca lines? Why did they make those? Beautiful drawings that you could only see from the sky The Pacific Northwest has some shit. That's pretty wild. They was Mount Coffin, which is the place that I told you that what they saw those 3,000 burials in the early 1900s the Portland Star and cement company bought Mount Coffin and the pictures from before are it's like a Basalt formation and it looks partially modified I've got three pictures of it there Jamie if you don't mind the first one was just Mount Coffin It's like some people I think says basalt or something But there's like some people on it and the Portland Star and gravel company bought it and they mined it all the way They daughters the American Revolution tried to buy it the Illuminati dude. That was all like crazy Yeah, that's that's the picture of it there. There's a picture a bunch of people standing on it. I think might be the next one over It's like a bunch of dudes standing on this basalt formation. It's a skinnier pic Sorry, but you can kind of see there where it might be artificially modified The locals say there was all kinds of cool treasure in there. Now the dude that built Longview are a long raw long Built Longview is shape of a pyramid the floor plan of long. Not only has it got a pyramid floor plan It's actually got a little little from the center going out like a little Cul-de-sac that goes out like it's got the focal star from the pyramid coming out of it It's fucking crazy the floor plan of Longview if you just But the streets were paved Of the four main pyramid arcs were paved with the gravel that came from that mountain Yes, this the town is like a goose. I see some movies Sorry, I'm trying to I gotta restart. Okay, but yeah the the guy it was pretty nuts the guy was like he was a Member of the three mason stuff and They again, they couldn't buy the mountain they wouldn't sell it to him But but when they he bought the gravel he had the roads paved in these weird Octagons or hexagons instead of Yeah, like a floor plan. You can see like that see the four from the center. Like if you get a and Weird and there's if you get a straight top-down view you can see I'm sorry But yeah, you can see there we go Getting better Yeah Hmm yeah, just just map of Longview, Washington that picture there the destruction of Mount Coffin See how that that's the one there that's got all these people on stuff and they look like the basalt might have been Partially made up partially modified. They're not a hundred percent, right? but there were a lot of rumors about treasures being pulled out of that while they were tearing it down, but By the time that this was all being done there were already laws against destroying Native American mounds and sites and stuff so rail this guy Long was a lumber baron. He comes out there and Wants to build up a lumber mill and stuff and all this crap. So he builds a town of Longview so totally planned city and Then he built all this goofy pyramid There's a statue of him in the middle of town with a girl handing him a rose And she's holding a dozen roses and handing him the 13th, which apparently is some sort of weird Freemason shit I don't know all the dollar symbolism, but all kinds of goofy Freemason symbolism, right and Yeah You see like that the towns laid out as a pyramid and you see it to the right the center how it goes out to that Little circle on the side. Uh-huh. Like it's this was They've cut off the one line since then No longer do they honor long views of Long's original plan? They've actually he had a statue of him that we used to face the rising Sun. They've relocated it That town was fucking weird, man, and they went almost like they're trying to fight his mojo or something But that's what he did when he stole the Indians mojo. This was their burial mound. This is where they found their sacred Fuck all that paved my streets with it make that my mojo and then somebody else is in there now going Yeah, fuck your mojo. It's it's weird. And I you know, I mean, I don't need to believe in all the spiritual stuff But you know HP Lovecraft has a great quote about that He says I don't need to believe in Santa Claus to know that people exchange gifts on December 25th I can still follow your craziness, even if I'm not crazy, right? So in this case, they seem to be up to fucking some boom crazy shit over there fight but it just happens to be where biggest concentration of elongated skulls in history were and If history doesn't record when I say this shit all the archaeologists, oh, there's no proof of above us Simple math to be buried here. You had to be a noble to be a noble your skull had to be modified 3,000 burials are reported 3,000 elongated skulls not complicated here. Not tricky, but they'll argue with this to the oh, Dan doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about Okay, what is your take on the Grand Canyon? Hmm the Grand Canyon stuff is really weird. I'm a king Cades cave and shit. Yes, dude, that's Again, one of those things where it's like, you know that two years ago I'd have been like it probably is Native American stuff at this point now I joked the last one of these quest for ancient civilization things that we had. I joked on stage when they asked They were talking about Different things that I said that the next time that we have some 9-eleven type of shit and all the alphabet boys run back east I'm Canyon it's time boys. Well right now you can't go into the area. Yeah, because all the office restricted Yeah, there's a part of the Grand Canyon that's restricted because it's air quote too dangerous Well, or it's Native American sacred site depending on who you ask. This is what I haven't heard that part Oh, yeah, that's been the explanation that I usually see. Oh that it's Native American sacred. They claim it's sacred Because you would imagine the whole thing is saying you would think wouldn't you think that they were? Like that's not stopped us before I'm gonna say all of a sudden we give a fuck What about route Rushmore? But the fact right the fact that it happens to coincidentally be the place where this guy said he found a cave with Egyptian art in it Exactly. That's where what year was that? So I want to say See what is Yeah, of course No, sorry were though There were hoaxes back then. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, they're a bunch of hoaxes a bunch of people there were a contest to try to get Your fucking hoax Reported the most. Oh, yeah, I'm sure there's hoaxes the Grand Canyon hoax, though The thing that's weird to me is that you can't go there oh, yeah, 1909 newspaper story claiming a vast ancient underground city complete with mummies copper tools hieroglyphs and Oriental in quotes or Egyptian style artifacts have been discovered inside the canyon overwhelmingly regarded as a period tall tale not an archaeological discovery in March 12 2009 G GE Kincaid, so no, no, excuse me, 1909 GE Kincaid supposedly a lone explorer who had traveled the Colorado River from Green River, Wyoming to Yuma April 5th 1909 paper dramatically expanded the claim It said Kincaid had found a nearly inaccessible cave citadel in the canyon that Professor SA Jordan and the Smithsonian were investigating it the article described Hundreds of rooms mummies in a crypt copper and gold vessels strange writing a Buddha like idol Granaries and space for up to 50,000 inhabitants. Wait, what? Yeah said the inhabitants may have originated in Egypt or somewhere in the Orient But now I do know that Jason guy and he's kind of a two-faced piece of crap So I wouldn't trust everything that he says here if he saw something that flew in the face of his narrative He will not report it. Who is this guy dad? Jason Colavito guy. He's a professional debunker. That's basically, yeah, I he's He's what if you ask Graham Hancock to list off the top ten pieces of shit. They argue with him He that's guy's name is going to come up There's no known physical evidence. No cave complex matching the description excavated material field notes photographs maps accession records or peer-reviewed archaeological report The alleged Smithsonian personnel and expedition do not correspond to a documented Smithsonian project in the way the article claimed but is there a Documented his Smithsonian project in the Grand Canyon. Well to me to me. This is like really simple This is the same as it's simple to figure out whether or not these skulls have more like capacity or not Just fucking let somebody go there if it's too dangerous or if it's a native to get a Native American archaeology team get some drones Fucking investigate and close the door on it. But let me ask you this if they really did find an immense cavern that could have 50,000 people living in it and they found Egyptian hieroglyphs and mummies and Sarcophagus or whatever that whatever they found. Do you think they would hide that I? I That's a tough one. Honestly, honestly something don't you think that the people that discovered that would become famous? oh, yeah, and it would be a huge thing and Archaeologists would want to get credit for it. Yes, and no Like like let's put it this way. Say for instance, you found something that that That proved those tridactyl mummies were real. Okay, you know, you're gonna get pushback Right now say for instance, you're a mainstream archaeologist. You're your whole job is is Reliant on going through the proper channels now. I've seen what Flint did to me when I've called him I was a liar. You know, how many people call me? They put me in the same fucking camp as Madame Blavatsky now I'm dead serious. They'll call me total pseudoscientists. They say that I believe in all kinds of crazy shit Who's that person you just said Madame Blavatsky? Who's that? She's one of the old like the turn of the century during the like a hundred years ago when everybody was the set the What do they call it? They're in a mesmerism era and stuff when all the people were seances and she was one of those shit artists And so she they put me in the same category, right? Like the guy that I talked to about the metallurgy in the ice age is an ice core Specialist Flint crawled up his ass and got this dude to retract what he said and stuff If you're a mainstream archaeologist and you fly a foul of these other guys, you're liable to lose your job Yeah, like I was saying earlier It says it right in the Wikipedia thing If you posited an earlier dating of the peopling of the Americas than this these guys were going to destroy your career I understand that but to get the military involved and to block off the Grand Canyon Because there's an area that's too dangerous or it's an area that's sacred to Native Americans To me is a bit of a reach that you get the Pentagon involved and they they send fucking Blackhawk helicopters to circle the area and make sure that hikers aren't yeah something's up there something's up there I mean, it might be nothing more than they got a military base sitting in there. I mean dude in Sedona Holy shit, I'd never seen a UFO and I went when I was in Sedona They there's a but they call secret mountain and they handed me these dudes hand me these night-vision goggles And it was like you're seeing all these little things in the air and then it was like five lights come out from this cloud They move in unison and they all disappeared together and I was like all this happens over secret mountain all the time. I'm like, yeah Sedona is a weird place man And the people there are weird as fuck I have never seen so many hustlers that weren't hooked on meth in my fucking life Everybody there's got they everybody there's got a way to make 20 bucks here 20 bucks there But that's good It's more expensive to buy a to rent a home in Sedona that it is to rent property to rent business property on the main drag They can't get minimum-wage people to work there. They they it's 20 miles to the nearest town 15 miles the nearest town So like they have a real hard time. So don't is just kind of collapsing under its own weight. Hmm It's all new agey people, right all new agey people and they're all trying to make a buck anyway They so why are the new agey people attracted to Sedona? Because of the Because of the what do you call it? Yeah, the the reputation of you know, it's funny that the guy my my buddy Robert He's organizing this whole thing. That's gonna be at the ACL. He uh He's living in Sedona for years and he tells me like a lot of these vortices like there was like three of them that were energy vortexes that were known about and then this woman comes through in the 80s or 90s and he said she found a whole bunch more and he says it's really funny She's grossly overweight and that's why every one of the vortices she found is about five feet from The three real ones they're out in the sticks man, you're in the desert but Right next to my bag of juju beans that's funny has anybody tried to find I know there's this one guy who went to the Grand Canyon he got chased out, but he found something really weird there. Yeah I'm digging there's I just found a comment on a video that said this guy I was actually hit by a drunk driver and He has some of the best videos. Oh Yes, he's dead. No. Yeah, I used to watch this guy a lot videos 4 million views in two years So you see a lot of people will use Google Earth and be like hey check this out But motherfucker use Google Earth and then he'd go there and what did he find? That's so baffling You imagine if they whack this guy because he found something Uh-huh That's happened before What did he find? That's I don't know. So is he in the area where you're not supposed to be? I Don't know. I said I'm trying to stumble. I'm going through all sorts of places real quick. I also would go if It wouldn't be two years later that we just found this amazing discovery people would have shared this every day on Twitter, you know Yeah, right. But what is it? It could be nothing. I don't like what is this? I don't know. I don't know where he's at. He found this That's a cliff dwelling obviously, but that's in the Grand Canyon. Yeah, I've seen this in other pictures Oh, so it's that's not a this, you know discovery, right? So we know there were dwellings in the going Grand Canyon the real question is that grand claim of something that has 50,000 people in Grand Canyon hidden cave a Thousand hidden caves although around 335 are officially recorded and most are strictly off-limits to the public See, that's that's no why are those off-limits to the public but other quick cliff dwelling places allow people to What's that all sorts of reasons where they are? It could be a part of it's on native land. So right probably very dangerous to get to Grand Canyon save you Yeah What it does get kind of weird when you look at like so some of them are legal It says legal visits Grand Canyon caverns located off Route 66 near Peach Springs, Arizona The biggest largest dry caverns in the u.s. And offer public tours click on that Yeah, so just because it's not open to the public doesn't mean you can't go there You just have to ask for permission probably in some cases and just get a tour guide or something Yeah, but I think the area we're talking about is closed. That's I don't I haven't I'm looking for a mouth of the Colorado or something. It's at the mouth of the Colorado River Is where that Kincaid supposedly found his thing? Right at the mouth of the Colorado River is where the Grand Canyon is like suppose from what I understand is where you just can't Go like on the side of the hill there by the side of the cliff But I haven't tried going like I'm waiting again I'm waiting for the next time till there's a national disaster and everybody runs back east cuz man I you know, I living on the west coast. I don't live far from Hanford I don't know little ways but it's real clear like when World War two happened. They're like, oh We're gonna build this fucking crazy bomb the might blow the world up Let's put it all the way on the other side of the country from where we live over where all those cowboys and and Hicks live and if we You know if Washington glows in the dark, well, then 50 years later We got a bunch of blue-haired motherfuckers running out of Seattle. So you figure that one out as you will But they definitely you know, they put all the poison over with us. That's that's how they plan to do it It's um, it's the same what's in the desert, right? They dump all that shit out in the desert Why do they test all the nukes in the desert and instead of over on Somewhere near the east because they don't want that shit blowing in their backyard all those nice Rhode Island houses You're talking about they don't need radiated radiate Seattle Yeah, yeah Hanford's crazy if you ever drive through there at the Washington there's all these nuclear storage facility I wonder if someone has a reason why you can't go to that area that they could tell us about That's there Unfortunately from what I've seen I mean, I might I'm not as Jamie's pretty damn quick so I'll get you know, he might find something that I haven't seen quickly, but From what I've seen it's it's very much like he says she says this guy said there was stuff there They say there's nothing there. They won't let you go there There was one guy that claims to have tried to go there and like he supposedly had a video where like people Stopped him before he got there, but I watched it. It looked kind of like maybe yeah But they say that about Secret Mountain in Sedona They say that if you go walking around on Secret Mountain up in Sedona eventually a park ranger will come up to you, but he's a lot buffer and better arm than most park rangers are gonna meet and Joe Rogan security. No, do you think there's maybe? Some sort of an alien base Somewhere in the United States if if there are aliens and they're actively working with Governments at all then ours ours the Russians and the Chinese would be the only ones they'd give a fuck about let's be honest There's there's not the rest of the countries or all the rest of the world all kind of just follows us the oils If you're an alien race the oils and oh, look at those cute guys in their coal, right? But beyond that Yeah, I think if I don't again, I'm pretty skeptical when it comes to alien stuff, but if aliens are visiting Earth Then yeah, I would if they're working with humans at all Then yeah, they're probably working with governments and when I say skeptical about the alien thing It's really one of two things either. We're so far away and technology So like look at where we're at now We're maybe a hundred years from actually some sort of interstellar travel and we're also maybe 20 years from completely wiping ourselves out I was thinking a 20 year old kid with a million dollars can buy crisper and sit there and make jeans and his fucking base Fuck do we ain't looking along left on this rock, bro. We got fucking AI. Do you hear what they did with that fruit fly? They took the fruit fly brain put it in a computer of physics engine and it's all running around and flying like it's real They max headroom this fruit fly. They chopped its brain little pieces Well now they got it playing Beat saber and fucking doom and all this other shit and you ever read the book I have no mouth, but I must scream at the very ends like these aliens genetically met manipulating people at the end There's this person that it's just like a blob and that's what it says I have no mouth, but I feel the urge to scream imagine being a fruit fly with all my balls itch I press the balls itch button. It's beat saber like fuck that fruit Fly is gonna suffer more than any other animal in the history of humanity from kids pulling the wings off a fly I'll just set that brain to experience 10,000 years of me ripping its wings off and here we are. We're doing it right now We're doing that shit right now that they're ripping the wings, but beat saber and shit that thing stuff So anyway, my point is as as a species as we look at going out into the stars We're also guttural as fuck. So a species has to get through a lot of has a lot of hurdles to jump, right? But if they jump those hurdles, there ain't no way we're not going to be impressive We're not going to be attractive because there is the universe is dead man So it's moat dead dead dead dead dead life dead dead dead dead life. They're gonna look at us. So I Have to basically two sides of the coin on that is on the one I'm pretty skeptical of them getting getting it going but if they did getting it going well, yeah, they'd come around Yeah, I don't know that they would be like us like our idea is like that We're so violent and we develop these weapons. We do that. We're so close to destroying ourselves What if that's a factor of accelerated evolution? What if that's a factor of you take intellect and this lust for? Technology and to transform its environment and you implant that in a territorial primate Yeah, I mean like you're you're dealing with like a weird hybrid of An evolved species like an evolved species that still maintains this tribal Primitive behavior, but also has this incredible lust for innovation. Mm-hmm No, I gotta see that I so we're like too complicated because we're not good. Yeah, we did So we're shit design. Yeah, we grew out of our way too big one direction. I fall and yeah, that's that's a good possibility I mean, it's ultimately I my brain on these things ends up thinking about the Probability of all these different things happen. It seems to me if if we were genetically manipulated by aliens You know even not if we weren't genetically manipulated by aliens, you know one of the things you have to do to get off of the rock is going to be a Curious species, right? That's something otherwise. They don't give a fuck. They're gonna have to be social Because I got to work together they're gonna have to be godlike in and of themselves So there's a few things that we can't assume about them. But yeah We only have one example of intelligence evolving If it didn't evolve if it was created like you're saying then We don't really know we have multiple examples. Well, we have dolphins and orcas. Yeah, we have a hard time Wales Well, we have a hard time We have a hard time like you were saying early we have a hard time Understanding them they might they might be extremely intelligent in a lot of ways But there's a lot of things they might not be the least bit intelligent a raccoon might be way better It probably is way better at manipulating its environment an adult. Of course, so That point because it's not necessary in their world. They move through 3d space exactly. So But then so their brain might not even have developed certain things that we write Yeah, so then the question is did it develop something else like is their form of communication superior? That's See that's where really like the words like what is what's the end goal is the end goal to have a good life Or is the end goal to get off the rock? I mean if the end goals to have a good like a good life Ari Matheson's got it nailed when he when he talks about the people on the love on the spectrum They're way happier than all the rest of us Are you Maddie? Excuse me, but the the love on the spectrum or excuse me the The hat, you know, is it about happiness or is it about survival? Is it about getting off there? What's the end goal? It's like well Is the end goal collective for the human species to evolve and advance and move past the state that we're at now? Or is your own individual existence and your happiness? Currently, like what's what's important and we don't really move collectively as individual We think we do things collectively, but we think about ourselves. Yeah, you know when people are like planning for their retirement They're not like trying to help out the human race. They're like trying to provide for themselves That's correct, but on the other side like when when I'm working on Doing research and you do a lot of research. You probably understand this yourself or when GSP invents the Superman punch It's like you when you bring something new to the world. You kind of feel cool, you know You kind of feel like I've just contributed to The grand total of human thinking and I didn't just add like a dot or something. I actually I contribute. Yes So you can see we're almost like a subconscious desire to do that So yeah, it is weird It's like, you know, we do you watch birds fly together and fish moving to school and then you watch mobs It's like dude, there is some sort of unimind that's tying us together. It does and I'm not trying to get all metaphysical it's might not be nothing more than than pheromones and chemicals, but something's got us where People act you can feel it at times. You can walk into a room and feel the fucking energy and just know I shouldn't be in this room. These people don't like me this guy. It's not And it's not necessarily like a metaphysical thing. Although that's the branch the stamp that everybody puts on It's one of the unfortunate things is that if something becomes like like water dowsing if something starts as a metaphysical thing Science is gonna knee-jerk to the end of time to resist it But right ask anybody who drills wells about dowsing if they drill wells for a fucking living they douse Period just like a cop knows that full moon fever is a thing. No the scientists Well full moon fever statistically the cops like yeah, what do you think is going on with dowsing? Honestly, I think it's remember when we used to have tube TVs everywhere and you'd walk down the street and you'd know your friend was Watching TV because you could feel the fucking hair on the back of your neck stand up or whatever No, you don't remember you never felt the electromagnetic feeling of a tube TV No, I didn't walk by my friend's house. I know he was watching TV. No, did you ever? You're able to walk into a room and know that that tube TV was on you don't remember like the guy I don't I don't remember that. Well, I know that a lot of the viewers are remember. It's a thing I'm sure if Jamie looks it up. It's feel the energy. You can feel that the old tube TVs you could feel them and They don't have an exact Reason, but you know, it's the electromagnetics and you maybe there's iron in your blood And so this dowsing it's like with rods those those those twisty rods and they move together When you're getting close to walking over a water source, you know, they just do do you think it really works? According to the guys that make money off of it It does and I wouldn't I mean has anybody tried to do a study on why that would work They that that's where the only thing I've seen we're pretty skeptical and pretty kind of just like it doesn't work but Again, that's kind of where the rubber meets the road. It's like it seems like that would be easy to prove You'd think so like you get a dowser. Yeah Well, that's the thing is that they science wants everybody to be able to do it You know what? I mean, they want to be able to we're gonna get 50 people together and have them all go out in the field and dowse You would take a someone's good at it So CRT sets used a high voltage flyback transformer and magnetic deflection system to sweep an electron beam across the screen Those parts commonly vibrated around the horizontal scan frequency Roughly 15 to 16 kilohertz in many TV standards creating a very high thin tone children and young adults tend to hear high frequencies better so they were especially likely to walk into a house or Pass a closed door an immediate. No, the TV was running. Oh Okay charge and believe that as well That's interesting that children and younger adults can pick it up. Like they also like see ghosts Yeah, this might be what a difference you're just a few years older than it means so you might not remember it as well Maybe maybe people just get duller over time and they can't feel it anymore Yeah, well these these don't use that those transformers and all that, right? Of course These don't yeah, these are these are a joke by comparison but my point is there's things like this that we we can pick up on there's things that we pick up on that we that's We can be tested and honestly, I love psychology, although I'll psychology just like archaeology is not a science I don't care when anything that self-reported is not a fucking science You think Epstein told his shrink what he was up to fuck? No. Okay. There you go. So But psychology does have some scientific bits and one of the things though is ultimately it's the lens that all of it comes through everything that we do comes down through that psychological lens like me talking earlier about it taking a hundred years for them to Reconcile gradualism and catastrophism. It's all through here and it's all through the zeitgeist of the time like right now Racism is the big thing and all this social Programs at this so that becomes part of science for whatever fucking reason I mean, I'll still never forget a time. I saw the article about feminist math and I just wanted to fucking Feminist math, you know, it's that I don't know me six oppresses seven. I don't fucking know I Guess sevens more pointy and six has the whole so I'm probably the other way and at any rate It's I just laughed. It's there's We don't have room for that shit inside. So the whole point is science I say this a bunch the whole point of science is to like the whole point of the scientific method is to strip individual biases away This is why replicability so fucking important because if I do it and you do it and you don't get the same result as me There's a problem It's weird when it gets into racial differences and they just ignore it completely and they they call the data racist Oh, yeah, that's exactly what that and then the guys that are like openly racist. They love that data Well, the weird thing about the data being racist is it's not white supremacist at all because Asians are doing way better Yeah, exactly, but you don't want to talk about right? You're gonna that's like The problem is the people that aren't doing as well The problem is is that they're in my opinion is they're trying to take Marxism and turn it into a Anything besides a monetary bullshit idea you try to do it while at a social level social Marxism. Oh, come on, dude This is how you get the oppression Olympics, you know, I've I've got it worse So, you know how much money I had to spend to get custody of my kid and I had no social programs for me Oh, what was me? And you go a go on to that shit forever. It's it's so stupid What am I, you know 95% of the people that are shot in this country by the cops are men Do we need a men's lives matter movement or is that a little fucked up? Okay, but that's it's well, it's also men are the ones who create most of the violence. They're the ones who need to get shot well, it is how about how it is my thinking is like this when a Cop shoots a person. He's shoots a guy He feels more threatened than he does by a woman and when he shoots a black guy He feels more threatened than he does by a white guy now whether that's racism or personal experience or town-by-town difference Whatever at the end of the day just saying this is pure racism is like, okay. Well, then this is pure sexism, right? Oh, no, it's not pure sexism when they're shooting guys, but it's when they're black I mean in all honesty Donald Trump has a higher chance of being shot by the cops wrongly than Kamala Harris That's statistically like way more likely like 20 times more likely in terms of men getting shot White guys are 20 times more likely to get shot by the cops wrongly than a black boy, right? And this is not that's not denying racism or sexism. That's you're dealing with statistics I'm trying to do is take that I only bring these up because so many people bring up these statistics to say This is a problem and this is a problem and this is a problem and that's what would you bring up this one? That's just overwhelmingly. It's like all of a sudden we look at things differently. It's the social Marxism thing It's like and this is also there's like a currency in being oppressed. There's a currency and recognize an oppression There's a currency and signaling virtue that you recognize oppression that other people don't you know? Admitting your whatever whatever biases on the floor whatever, you know Whatever privilege you may have yeah land acknowledgments all that crazy stuff It's like, you know We're trying to be good people, but we're doing it in a way that points at everybody else like they're bad That's exactly that's where it gets real squirrely because people are using The premise of being a good person to be really shitty to people that don't deserve it. Well, I Yeah You know and they don't do anything on their own like they're gonna tell me that I should be doing XY or Z but like Kansas University recently like put out this big thing about how they feel so bad for living on indigenous land and Thank you You know what? They even they even repatriated all the bones that they've got that they're supposed to repatriate it in 1990 I've only been to one place where I saw an actual land disclosure and it was at the South by Southwest premiere of the age of disclosure and I thought this was so hilarious there is a Documentary about us being invaded by aliens and Before they play the documentary that they have to acknowledge that someone invaded this land and took it from the natives and this is the Ancestral tribal land of the tongue, whatever tribes they said we must acknowledge this first like wouldn't you play the movie? Isn't a history lesson. Is it a struggle session play the fucking home? It's literally about us getting invaded by aliens Yeah, and this is supposed to make it like better better. You're a good person because you acknowledge this All right, I got to wrap this up your thing is give out the dates tell everybody It's October 16th through 18th the quest for ancient civilizations conference at the ACL live. It's right here in Austin It should be a banger of a time. It's gonna be amazing. I'm sure it's gonna be awesome. All those people there Randall Carlson Yeah, Billy Carson. Well, yeah whole bunch Kurt Metzger and Duncan Trussell together That's a Tonka Trussell on test and doing deadlifts for 10 years David Childress Great great cast of people David Childress is a really good dude. What do they do to you man? They made you look well, you know AI it's you look like Alan Watts. I look like somebody else entirely. I could almost Amish you look very odd either way Sound just like the chicks at the bar last it's a problem with the fucking AI You don't have to do that or do it do it and do it, right? I I say it to everybody. I actually had a production team I wanted to like get me to sign up to do you know for them to help produce for me and stuff and When I told him that I was not gonna have any AI videos No way I clipping no way I thumbnails and certainly no way I Communicating with my followers are like love to get back to you on the price Yeah, I could buy a good day I do anyway, thank you Joe. Thank you Dan. It's good to see you brother you too, man