Joe Rogan Experience #2558 - Tyler Engle

Key Takeaway

Practice disciplined curiosity: when you encounter an extraordinary claim, separate the observable evidence from the interpretation. Today, choose one claim you see online, write down what is directly documented, what is inferred, and what evidence would change your mind. This preserves the openness Tyler Engle advocates without treating speculation as fact. Use primary sources, competing explanations, and small testable questions before adopting a sweeping conclusion.

Episode Overview

Joe Rogan talks with Tyler Engle, creator of BassForge, about anomalous archaeological sites, flood traditions, megalithic stonework, ancient Egyptian symbolism, acoustics, and altered states of consciousness. Engle proposes that ancient monuments may have served technological, ecological, and consciousness-related functions, while Rogan repeatedly probes the evidence and the unresolved question of how such knowledge could have developed. Much of the discussion is explicitly speculative.

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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. Tyler, what's up? What's happening, brother? Thank you very much for being here. I love your Instagram. You You have a rabbit hole of an Instagram, dude. It's so good. Your latest one on Noah's arc is really interesting because I knew about the scans, but I did not know about the connections to the Samaran text and how he was referred to on the King's List. Yeah. Yeah. Let's I sent it to you, Jamie, just to start off just because I want to really blow up your Instagram because it's so good, dude.

Thanks, man. My pleasure. I It's so many times where I'm doom scrolling. I find that I'm like, "Oh, I'm learning something. This is justifiable." So, this is um it's called baseforge US. That's Tyler's uh Instagram. And uh this is all about these new scans. And uh they dug into it today. I think today or yesterday. It's been two days. They think that they hit petrified wood, which is really interesting. This whole thing is very weird. But let's let's just hit this new scans from Turkey. Mount Ararat, the Noah's Arc location.

They got a new little drone out there that's using the same technology that they used to find the Hawara labyrinth in Egypt recently. Mind you, both of these were not taken seriously by the mainstream. I'm still skeptical, but the evidence is getting a little overwhelming cuz the Earth is not lying. Mount Arat is almost 17,000 ft high, straddled by two of the saltiest lakes on Earth and a dry one to the south. How did it get there? Most people confuse the flood with the younger drius event.

That is way too far back in history. The nearby town of Shirupac was buried in 50 ft of mud. That mud was dated very close to the mud that is covering this structure. But Sherupac is very interesting. That is where Noah was from. The ancient Sumerians called Noah Zasudra, the last king on the Sumerian kings list before the flood. These guys were a megalithic culture, meaning they could work really big, really hard rocks. Their temples are so destroyed, there are 10 ton stones just laying out in the middle of nowhere that got thrown off the top of a mountain.

But that's very important because these guys could work really big stones. And right by the sight of this ark are these things. What are these things? These are called drogue stones. You see the hole in the top of them? You fit a rope or a chain through that? They're anchor stones. They're found in ancient Greek and Roman ports. What they would do is suspend them off of the boat to keep it stable in rocky water or anchored. Noar didn't have a mast or anything to steer it.

It was the largest ship ever built and meant only to survive this one event. They'd need to be that big for a ship that large. And those dimensions are exceptionally close to what we see in the ground. I put this site and the temples in hidden history free update. Explore it. Okay, for real though, how much more evidence do we need? Just dig the thing out. Well, I think they are trying to at least slowly excavate that area and figure out what it is. But just the story itself, it seems like as written so preposterous that the all of the animals on Earth were put on, you know, two of each on a boat and then the flood came and then afterwards they repopulated the earth.

Yeah. It seems like a ridiculous simplification of something that was probably at least somewhat true. Like I don't think that they had all the animals on the boat cuz that doesn't make any sense. There's not enough room. You know, animals eat other animals. There's a lot of but it does seem like there was some probably multiple events throughout history, but some sort of an event that they're documenting that that one's well documented actually. The one in Turkey was uh the flood. Yeah. 3,000 BC or so.

I think was the around that area there was multiple and that's where you see all this um like the temple of ionis that whole region there has flood evidence right but it's not younger dest flood evidence you know but it's also probably not global it's not that's what that's I think an important distinction that a lot of these places make is uh they have similar stories but they probably weren't the same day you know it could have been sequential like some some event's going to happen somewhere and cause this and then another one's is going to happen over here and cause this.

But the Mediterranean, that area is very unique because it's basically surrounded by mountains, right? Like there's this giant from Iran to all the way to Greece mountain range. That's right. So, how does it have a saltwater lake? That's what So, so Lake Van is really interesting because there Lake Van has like a volcan volcanic um origin, right? There's a volcano underneath it and so there's like mineral deposits there, but it's one of the saltiest lakes around. You know, the Dead Sea is really close to it as well.

So, what about the Great Salt Lake in Utah? Uh, I don't I think it's a little I think it's saltier. It's a soda lake. So, Lake Van is a soda. It's like carbonate. And then the Great Salt Lake is like pure salt lake, same as a Dead Sea, right? So, those those are two different distinctions. This is like this is definitely more of a Randall area over than my area. But, I like I like mixing these different things in because all the all the stories are pointing to the same, you know, that that same origin.

And that's where the Zasudra thing comes in. So most likely it was probably a semiloc event like contained to Turkey and just their version of the world what was what was what was around them. So when they were right you know what I mean like they don't know what's happening in China how could they you know they have no idea what's going on in the Philippines there out like like you your whole world is gone if everything you see around you is is barren wasteland because you got tsunamied like right the world's over and that's what you're going to put on the rock.

So the question is, was it a real event? And if it was a real event, how the hell did this Noah guy know it was coming? That's that's where things get real weird because if we t even if it's just a local event, even if it's a local event, I mean by local I'm talking about like the continent or at least the area of Turkey. So, even if it was a local event, how the hell does this guy know to enough that he spends years constructing this boat, this massive boat, the biggest boat that had ever been built at the time?

Yeah. And gets all these animals on it going, "We're in about 3 years. I got to get to work." Like, it's accelerating this process. Wasn't there Who did a movie? [snorts] Wasn't there Wasn't there a movie recently? No. the movie. Wasn't it a Russell Crow movie? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I didn't see that. I I actually liked it because they they get a lot of the lore in there, like the old old lore, you know, of the Nephilim and all that stuff. Like the intro to the movie.

Yeah. Just watch the intro to that thing if you're if you're curious. They do this whole backstory on it. It's really cool. So many things that I used to think were nonsense. The Nephilim stuff. Yeah. And now I'm like, "Hey, the Giant stuff for sure." Giants. Giants for sure. I am almost all in on Giants. I think I think we're all almost all in there. Yeah. It just seems like there's too much there's just too many to stories. There's too many tales. I don't know what it means.

Like does it mean the mountain from Game of Thrones? You know what I mean? Like that's a giant. Especially compared to me. That guy standing next to me like Brian Shaw. Do you know who Brian Shaw is? Brian Shaw was in the mothership the other day. He's uh 400 lb. He's like 7 feet tall. He's the biggest human you you've ever seen in your life. His bone structure is so dense that he is one of I think it's what I think there's like five or six people on Earth that have the same density of of bone as this guy.

No, it's it's some insane number. Some insane number like one out of 500 million people have his bone structure. Where does that genetic come from? Where where where are we getting that? But I'm saying is it that is it just exceptional genetics like we have today we have pygmy tribes and yet we also have the Messiah right so we have these seven foot tall people and we have these 3T tall or 4t tall people so like what what are we talking about? Are we talking about a different species of human cuz now we keep finding these new species of human like the Dennisovven.

You saw the new the new research on that now how big they were big as So like and tell people about that research if humans were okay. So they found uh I think a complete skeleton if I'm not mistaken of the Dennis which was I don't think they found a complete skeleton. It was it was the more a more complete one than they had before. Yeah. I think they just have pieces if I'm correct. I don't think we have a full one yet but [snorts] the the proportionally like they are definitely they were bigger than us.

Well just the skulls alone. The skulls are huge. The skulls are massive. It's like a Brian Shaw skull. Brian's going to be like, "What the fuck?" Oh, he's cool, man. He's cool. He likes being giant. Who wouldn't like being that big, man? You're right. You're right. Okay. Dennis Ovenans towered over their contemporaries and munched a bunch of meat. Of course, that's how you get so big. Um, so how big do they think they were? I thought it was like seven, seven foot something maybe. Interesting. Right.

So, and this is like the ones we found, right? So like if you only found like my body, you would say, "Oh, humans, you know, were under like somewhere around 5'8, 5' 7, maybe they got to about 5' 9" and then you see Shaq's body and you go, "Oh, okay. Well, this is not real. Clearly, what's going on? This is a different species." You would think like we only have a small amount of fossilized record, you know, of just human beings. We keep finding these like the Dennis I think they just found them 10 years ago or less getting older too.

That's the thing like it keeps getting pushed back for homo sapiens as well as finding new new versions of them. Yes. So it says here um Neanderl men average about 168. Why are they doing it in centimeters? Why you with me? Dennis towered at 190 cmters. What does that mean Jamie? What's 190 centimeters? Freedom units. Here I'll ask my phone. What is 190 cm in feet? 190 cm is 6.23 feet. I was right. Okay, good job. I said 60, but that'd be like 60. So that's pretty big for the time because people were they it was hard to get food.

Yeah. Right. So it's hard to get the protein in order to get big. Like people during the Civil War were like 130 lbs. Like men were tiny because they were starving. And medieval medieval people were a lot smaller. Yes. A lot smaller. So it was and it's basically a food thing. So obviously this is a very big version of a human especially considering the time that that it existed. But was that a giant? Were people all really tiny and they looked at that? Cuz like have you ever been to uh to uh Italy and uh gone to some of the uh ancient structures in the castles?

Not Italy. Not yet. Pretty dope. Um one of the things you notice is the armor is tiny. Yeah. Tiny. Really? Like tiny. I've heard I've heard these things. It's weird. And how like their uh the the shoes and stuff they like it doesn't look like they could fit into the the proportions of them. Well, they're itty bitty people. So, um when I was there, I think it was a castle that we're I went to a bunch of different places. Went to We went to Pompei, went to Florence.

think it was in Florence, but this armor was like that narrow, like like super slender and like little like 5 foot fiveish, like tiny little dudes. Cuz I think nobody had any food, man. I think it was hard to get the the proper protein to, especially if you're a soldier and you know, you probably come from a poor class of people. You probably didn't have access to enough food to grow, right? Unless you got a lot of those guys, it' be kind of Well, you got a lot of those guys.

And also, they're probably killing a lot of other people that are also similar small. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Unless they run into the Vikings or the maybe the Egyptians. Yeah. Well, maybe the Egyptians, right? Xerxes in the movie 300, right? [laughter and gasps] So, it's he was Persian actually. But it's like when when you hear these stories, particularly the stories of the Giants, it and then you find out things like Dennis Ovenans, you go, "Okay, so we know that Dennis Ovenans existed and when when do they think they existed?

What what is the timeline?" Oh, that article said that most bones I think are [snorts] about 160,000, but radioarbon testing on I think the ones that they used for this study were maybe 45,000 years old. Oh, that's crazy. Okay. So, if they find just let's just think about that. So, that's 120,000 years of discrepancy. Yeah. Right. That's nuts. That that we never interacted with them, too. Like, right. For sure we interact. Yeah. We definitely 100%. If they're 45,000 or whatever it is. So, then you got to think, well, this is only the bones we found, right?

If you die, if I die, if Jamie dies, the odds of someone finding our bones somewhere, it it's so small. It's like the the fossil record of dinosaurs alone, like dinosaurs lived for hundreds of millions of years. And what do we found? Like a few hundred thousand of them. We don't even have like a full skeleton on pretty much any of those. Like 100% full. No, I don't think we have any really. We have pretty close ones. We have some really close T-Rex ones and some, you know, some that are real close.

But the bottom line is the amount that died versus the amount that we find is very small. So easily that could be the case with people. And if you're taking dragons and dragons and dragons and dragons, we'll get to dragon. We're on it again, honey. Keep it rolling. I never take a dragon believer off my profile. I think that's awesome. He believes in dragons. Oh my god. Why don't you do some research? Yeah, there's something weird going on where all throughout history people talk about giants and people talk about dragons.

Yep. [snorts] And then yeah, giants were apparently not real and now we're finding those. And then Noah's Arc apparently wasn't real. We're finding that. And all this stuff that's just not real and was legend is now like, oh yeah, that's obviously right there. I think very few of those stories were fiction. And I think this is evident when when they find things like Troy, you know, which Troy was thought to be a fairy tale was thought to be fiction forever. And then they're like, "Oh, we actually found the city." Yeah.

Wow. Well, and also like back then it was so difficult to write a book. You had to write it by hand. You had to know how to write. Yeah. And you know how to read. Yeah. Nobody knew how to read or write. And then you got to imagine like how many people are writing fiction. Who the is reading it? more likely when you're around back then, it's important to write a detailed history of what has happened so that your future generations will have they won't have to learn from scratch.

Yeah. You want accurate accuracy there. But that's that's another thing that throws a monkey wrench in the whole Egypt thing too is like hieroglyphs appear fully formed and sophisticated, right? It's not like there was a you can see the evolution of that. You start at like Old Kingdom and it is flawless. It's like engineering language right there. And so where's the right how how how where does it start from? So a group of five dudes are over here like, "Okay, we're gonna make the cart and we're going to do this and this symbol means this." No, it just shows up.

Well, the the idea that we have a complete understanding of the past is just we should just start from there cuz that's foolish. Yeah. And one of the things that you detail so well is some of these temples and the sound that resonates out of these temples and some of them that are just carved right into a mountain with incredible precision. And we don't understand how. We don't really know when. It's just kind of guesswork when Yeah. And we have no idea what equipment they used because it's not possible they did that with other rocks.

No. So what did they do? So that that the I made a Kyasa temple video a couple weeks ago and it was like that's the one that's in India carved straight out of the mountain, right? Out of volcanic rock that is insanely hard. I got I got so much blowback that that was soap stone or that was this stone and there's this there's a YouTube channel called Proto Civilization. They did this experiment where this dude took a pickaxe, hardened steel pickaxe and they measured how much of volume they could remove from the mountain on like behind Kyloa like not near the temple.

They they remove like an area about this big, maybe that deep. They have the scans for So you you're like six inches and like a half of maybe maybe a half inch [snorts] deep. And how long did they work out? 4 hours. And these dudes were huge. These dudes were were gassed out. And it was only Yeah. 6 in little thing. And they when they were doing the calculations like there's no way that the population even working non-stop could do that. And then they tried to destroy that temple.

And you couldn't destroy the temple with the tools they had. So, how did they make it? Then they have guys trying to destroy the temple. What was the timeline that they were trying to destroy the temple? It was like a 100 guys for like 2 years and and they barely scratched it. And that's what we still have left. Two years, 100 dudes non-stop. They couldn't pull anything done. It's it's really kind of funny because it it it begs the question, what was the technology? And we need to really open our minds to the possibility that there was a civilization that had achieved some sort of a technological sophistication that we don't understand.

We don't know what the technology was. We don't know why they had it, what they did with it, but there was something going on. And I think Kyloa is one of the best pieces of evidence that's like, you know, remember the Arsenal Hall show, things that make you go home. This is a thing that make you go home. I mean, it's like, how did you do that, guys? As you know, I'm into ketones and I rock with ketone IQ. But here's something that blew my mind.

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And you can see the construction process. It gets a little more detailed at the top and then at the bottom you can see the scraping tool marks. There's scrapes and scoops, right? But the scrapes, the penetration depth of the scrape is is greater than a jackhammer that we have. So a jackhammer hydraulic one that goes through the rock and you know takes it out of the rock wall does not penetrate as deeply as the marks that are still in Kyloa. So it's something was and the narrow it's like you can you have to go sideways through it and the marks are there.

So they were doing it somehow like in a narrow corridor with no like as narrow as a human body or more narrow? It's it it goes to Yeah, it goes to a V. So you start, it starts wide, but you see the tool marks going all the way through it. So do you think that they started wide and then that's how they ved it out and then eventually got it parallel? Yeah, I think I think they they were probably using a mixture of what we do today with with it, but I think their tool that they were do made it so much easier that the like the way that they could just go in there like that looks like it was no problem.

It looks like we're just, you know, with that's so insane to think about and we are just so egocentric in our position that we are the most sophisticated culture that's ever existed on earth. And I think there's a lot of evidence that that's not true. And the best evidence is the stone stone work. I to me that's what got me into all of this is like you know obviously Graham stuff and a bunch of like this community is there's a bunch of things that kind of shake your worldview up.

But when I started looking into this, they were building the Grand Egyptian Museum and they had to move the statue of Ramsy's. You know which one I'm talking about? The giant one. So if you go to that museum, like the pictures don't do it justice. You're standing and you're looking at his shin and there's like a pool around it. You know, almost fell into the pool. You look at it's kind of hard to see, but yeah, you're staring at his shin and you look up and you're like, "Okay, in the cartoon." Yeah, that's the one.

So you you barely come up to his shin and you know Ramsay's put his his thing on everything, but like it's funny that you look at his face and his face that that Egyptian face is a very generic face. It doesn't look like Ramsay's if you look at Ramsay's as a as his mummy. It does not look like Ramsy's. So he did this a lot though. He put his cart on literally everything in Egypt, of course. But um it's funny cuz when they moved this, they had to use a enormous truck with huge steel beams to solidify it.

Yeah, that's the one. Look at this thing. That's Whoa. It's like, okay. Holy Yeah. So, how many tons is this thing? Oh, dude, it's crazy. I think it's in 200. It's in It's out of granite. Wow. It's a big boy. 400 tons. What's that, Jamie? said 83 tons. 83 tons covered up. So, but you have to assume that that the block that they had to to get out of the quarry was at least 200 to to get, you know, to remove the material around it and stuff.

So, but what I'm what the point is there had to be a special road, a special trailer, a big truck, and all the stuff to move this thing. And that's us now. Now, do that in sand. No sand or no roads with just sand. putting water on the sand and rolling it on logs from Lebanon that are really not that compressively strong. So like all of it to my engineering brain was just was absurd. And so I keep having these things and then like the Lakma stone, the 300 ton boulder they put at the museum, you know, the the process they went through on a perfectly flat.

I think Jimmy Corsetti was the one that brought that one up. And like just having those examples is very eye opening to the how what tool what equipment what you know it's it it melts my brain dude. I I and I went to school for this and I had to you know do a lot of these calculations. I worked in construction. I worked in restor building restoration. I've had to do all of these things and you can't move like a boom lift on certain roads because it'll cave the road in and those things don't weigh as much as a Ramsay statue.

It's just so weird how these conventional archaeologists will dismiss any ideas that are outside of this linear timeline theory and that oh they were just really smart back then. They they figured it out with copper tools and sand and this that like it doesn't even make sense. None of it makes sense. They say they're really smart but they also don't believe the mythology or the kings list or anything like that. It's a simultaneous oh they were super smart but this stuff was imaginary. You know the stuff they put on the walls wasn't real.

But the how they built it was it gets to a certain point where they can't explain it away and then they go into imagination instead of saying hey maybe we don't have a full picture of this like may look what we can do today is so preposterous that it looks like magic to anybody that lived 200 years ago. We all know that like just I drove here in a Tesla. It goes 0 to 60 in under two seconds. It I press a button it drives me home.

Yeah. What? Imagine that [clears throat] explaining that to someone 200 years ago. I left the club last night and I was on the phone with a buddy of mine and I just press and it just takes me home. I don't even have to pay attention. You have a global communication device in your pocket. It can access all the all the world's information and I'm on the phone with a guy who lives in Connecticut and we're talking. I mean, the whole thing is crazy and this is normal.

Wipe the earth's memory and then you're the only one that has a memory of this civilization. Try and explain that to somebody that doesn't. You'd be they'd be like, "No." Imagine if you could find this technology 200 years from now after a nuclear war and after people had been like using sticks and stones and animal skins for clothes and then someone stumbles upon some bunker somewhere and inside there's intact computers and cell phones and satellite dishes. You'd be like, "What the is this stuff? This is magic." And then people would try to for hundreds of years try to backgineer it and explain it.

Yeah. You know, like what? Okay, that's a that's a perfect segue, though, because you could have an instruction manual with those things, right? I could tell you I could make an instruction man. This is how you use this cell phone, right? Memories wiped. Cataclysm, whatever happens, no one's going to be able to read English. Not only that, what if it's someone like me who finds that thing? And I'm like, what? Huh? Cell phone. Then you start worshiping it. Signal. What's a signal? It's in the air.

Can you catch it with a net? Yeah. Yeah, it's it's preposterous, but there's there's okay. The way I look at it though is the language that you have to read is the geometry. And that's why the tech comparisons are so so powerful is because the geometry is guiding and routing signals and it's doing something. It's performing a function in your phone or your TV or whatever. And on a macro scale, that's exactly what they were doing too. You know, they were routing human behavior through temples.

they were routing all this uh you know organization, societal organization and structure for these components. So at a base level they're doing the same thing except you're kind of like the data packet. You're the technology instead of the cell phone, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And then there's like whatever is going on with the pyramids in terms of like what the actual function of the pyramids was. the, you know, obviously the conventional position is that those were tombs, but you know, this Filipo Byondi stuff, Bondi [clears throat] or Beyond Beyond, how am I saying his name wrong?

Uh, he was very interesting guy and very humble and, you know, didn't seem like he was using hyperbole when he was describing these things and he was talking about how many times they've done these scans. Yeah. And uh people will just want to dismiss that data. And in fact, they retracted his paper. What? Yeah. Yeah. The the Yeah. There's like a big controversy on that. He just did the scan of the Titanic and nailed it. Uh-huh. Not only that, he's also done scans of existing structures in Egypt that they know that they've already mapped out.

Exactly. And he got all the dimensions correct. So it's not like this stuff doesn't work. And so if you've done repeated scans of this area, instead of dismissing it, well, I just don't understand why they're not all gathering around and wanting to have conversations with him and going to look at that stuff. It doesn't make sense from a business perspective either because if you discover this stuff, that's like an unlimited source of tourism. 100%. Which Have you Have you been to Egypt? No. Yeah. Okay, dude.

When you go there, you're going to walk on the plateau and you're going to be like, "If I had a team of a 100 dudes, I could clear this thing in a couple months." Like the the work is not the problem. That's really not it. It's the bottleneck of the It is absolutely Yeah. bureaucracy. Yeah. The people that run it. You go there and like there's there's vantage points of like that famous picture of the pyramids with all three of them, the camel walking by. There's like that's like a vantage point where you can go and look at everything.

You can see it with your eyes without looking at the satellite. There's something under here. And then there's gateways into it everywhere all over the place. There's gated off doorways into the underground that's like right up the causeway. Ben's done a great job showing that. So it's I think it's the I don't want to say it's a fear, but like it's ego. It's Yeah, I it's human ego. It's the fact that they've been they've been saying a certain thing. They have been laying out a certain narrative for a long time.

And these guys, they teach this this their reputation is based on it. And one of the things that experts love to be is the gatekeeper of information. You know, if you try to talk to a gatekeeper of you try to talk to an expert about something that you don't understand, almost always you're met with dismissal. No, no, no. You don't understand. Let me explain. The King's List is all fiction. You don't. No, no, no, no, no. These were tombs. We know there were tombs. Let it go.

Like, you don't know You're just another human who's been looking at this thing. And by the way, this whole this whole just academia, academia period is recent. Well, I Eric Weinstein has done a great job in in showing how like how gatekept that is. And I think there's a movement now where it's like, okay, well, you can say this, but we're going to show you the opposite. We're going to show you that it's that there is proof. There's overcuts in in granite. There's all this weird stuff that we can't do today.

The cultures say different stuff than the history books say. There there's a a disconnect. The drill hole. Yes. The disconnect is insane at this point. I was I when I got into it, there was like a a small hill of conspiracies when this was, you know, first. When did you get into this? Probably like 12 years ago. Do you remember what got you? Um it was one Graham's book because I I was um Fingerprints of the Gods. Yep. I did um I did high-rise window cleaning before this.

Oh my god, dude. I've always said that's the scariest job ever. I was terrified. And I like before I did it, I was I kind of had a fear of heights, but I had to like really get rid of that quick. How did you get that job? I It kind of fell in my lap, honestly. I had a window cleaning business. My dad had done it for years before, so we clean like fast food restaurants and stuff. Made great money in high school. And then um there's there's huge money in uh in high-rise window cleaning.

You know, these want to do it. No one wants to do it. Yeah. The insurance is crazy. Like you have to have huge upfront cash to rent this equipment. Like it's it's a wild [snorts] business. But I had so much time I would just put my headphones in. I would listen to books. And so I was hanging off of buildings listening to Graham and everybody and like I would want to hear creeks and things. I would want if something starts giving out. I would want to be like razor sharp.

I'd want to have suction cups on my hands. It It was one in one out. It wasn't I wasn't noise cancelling that one but yeah. So Wow. So that's how you got into it. Yeah, kind of. And then um uh like Magical Egypt, there's a show called Mag John Anthony West. I had him on a couple times. I love his work. Oh, he was amazing. So So the people I really resonated with the the engineering type of mindset cuz I went to college for computer engineering and so when they when you explain it in that way, my brain just got a little tickled cuz I didn't really think there was anything going on in agent history at all until I started looking into that.

And then um what really kicked it off was like the Lebanon Ballbeck area. That stuff just smashed me in the face, right? Like that stuff is insane. So the the size of those stones is beyond it's beyond comprehension. And the whole the whole base of it, it's not just the trilithon. The whole base of it is stones that are upwards of 400 tons. And there's no record of it. That's what's really weird because the Romans kept meticulous records of the construction. And they have records of the construction of these buildings.

They do not have a record of the construction of the base. Like whatever that was was probably ancient and probably there a long time before they ever started building on it. I think it's Phoenician honestly. Phoenician. Phoenician. Yeah. Phoenician Canaanites. So what year were we talking that I think Baldick is pre flood? I'm pretty convinced that it's pre- flood. pre flood, younger, driest flood or pre at least at least the base of it cuz you can see there's like a there's an outer wall and they're huge stones and then there's the inner temple wall right there's a discoloration between the two there like one is clearly older than the other at least in repairs you can see clear layers of repair right but the the Canaanite the Phoenician Canaanites were they helped build the temple Solomon's temple in Jerusalem and in the uh underground of that temple is a stone that's damn near just as big as the trollethon stone It's just not open to the public.

You don't see it a lot. You have to photos online. Yeah. Uh I think it's a western wall, Jamie. Um it's I I don't know the estimates of it because I don't know how deep it is, but it looks enormous. And so they would help uh the Egyptians build too. So they were kind of like a contractor essentially. They were really good at um sailing, navigation, and uh they could move really big rocks. And so that's the legends are um linked kind of by the Templar tradition if you know any of that back story.

Not really. You know Timothy Hogan the the night templar master. I' I've heard of it but I don't know much about the history of it. So so they they kind of are the the bridgeformationally between where all of this is coming from because they were the first ones to excavate in Jerusalem uh off the record. you know they were uh the Templars were supposed to guard pilgrims when they were you know going to the sacred sites but that was like their front and then the back was were excavating in Egypt and Jerusalem and you see their graffiti everywhere there's templar graffiti on uh felt temple in Egypt in uh a whole bunch of places in the that the Noah's arc stones the the anchor stones those are Templar crosses those aren't Christian crosses so you'll it's the uh the angled the angled cross you know where the V's and they go in that's the Templar So their graffiti is kind of everywhere they went.

That's where they would they would leave their mark saying that that's you know one to communicate to other Templars that this was a site that they've been to but also saying that there's something here that's important. Jamie, did you find that um [snorts] Western stone? Well, [clears throat] I'm not sure exactly which one I'm supposed to be on the screen. I don't know which one. I don't know if that's it or No, you want to say Western Wall? No, Jerusalem. Western. Well, ballback is the um that's like the I don't think that's what you were looking for either.

That's why I didn't look for that. Keep scrolling down there. Pray wall. There's a big Maybe if you write huge stone. Yeah, just say megalith. Western wall megalith. Yeah, that's the one. Okay. Whoa. Yeah. So, yeah. Whole Wikipedia page for it. It's not like Holy It's not a secret or anything, but the Holy Yeah, that's the foundation of Solomon's Temple. HOLY LOOK at the size of that. Oh my god. That's insane. Yeah. And they have more than that one. 11.5 feet tall, 41 feet long. And what is it made of?

I don't know that one. I want to say it's limes. It looks like limestone, but 500 tons. Yep. Holy I think Brian Forester's picture was pretty good, too. Oh my god. [snorts] Ridiculous, right? That's just the exposed face is 44.5 ft long. Yeah. The largest building block, one of the largest building blocks in the world. Whoa. So, prior estimates ranged up to 16.5 m, 550 to 600 tons. Wow. So that that range is the entire bottom of Balbeck. So what the connection there is there's two.

One is the builders from the Phoenician builders is the the there's like a guild that did this huge work. They leave traces in the stone though and they're they're called microsphererals and it's a it's an it's a reaction low energy nuclear reaction leaves these um so like if you have a meteorite impact or the uh plasma new plasma physics like the uh the plasmoid science that's coming out now that stuff leaves these in the stone so there's traces of plasma interaction in Balbeck in uh Jerusalem in Iran and some sax say one month.

I've seen this on your page. Yeah. So, I've seen this. What's this? Maybe it' be a good thing to just go to that because you lay it out really well. Okay. Where is it on your page? Do you remember? Um it's fairly recent. Made a new one. Yeah. Um has to do with the ringing rocks, too. The the the ones that that ring are which he's got it up there. Which one do you think it would be? In sound science. Um insane plasma anomalies found in ancient stone.

Um that's Well, no, that's the that's the levitation one. The the exotic metals. Sorry, my bad. [snorts] Yep. All right. And this time it's not what's in the sand, it's what's in the rock. Exotic metals from the cutting tool have been found lodged inside the rock, and they're typically only found in asteroids and meteorites. They've also been found in megalithic sites all over the world. Back in February, I was in the largest and crispiest temple in all of Egypt. I had watched this video by Versidoko and [snorts] it was saying how these are unexplainable cut marks because the cuts are microscopically small.

There is no reasonable explanation for a cut that sharp even today without lasers. This research team got a sample and they were looking for exotic metals that the Egyptians did not have, which they found. But they also found these. Let me explain what these lines are. When we cut granite today, we used giant saws. These saws leave a circular tool mark like the stone my dog Harvey is guarding. What was found in the Carac stones were perfectly straight lines, which means in layman's terms that something was cutting it more like butter than like a circular saw.

Anytime you cut anything, it leaves a mark. Inside those marks are microscopic cracks where pieces of the tool can embed itself. But that typically only happens with high-speed rotation. So, they got their hands on another sample from Dashor. This one has a sloping cut which is insanely difficult to manufacture. In this one, they found three elements that are typically only used in the cooling circuits of nuclear reactors. When they compared this ancient cut to a modern cut of the same material, the only difference was the aged appearance.

Now, the material they found the most of was copper. It was an alloy that the Egyptians could not have produced enough heat to make. Best guess was that they used chemical salts to intensify a natural reaction to create more heat. To create the metal, they would need microscopic precision in the mixture. That is something that we do for electronic circuits. Atomic level imperfections are introduced in silicon to produce transistors. But just by doing that, a simple rock gets transformed into something that can show you me.

But we haven't even got to the wildest part. Microsphererals were also found in the samples. Bees only come from cosmic impacts, volcanoes, lightning strikes, geological processes, and human industrial processes. It happens when something gets really hot and cools really fast. These were found in Dash, in Balbeck, in Iran, and pretty much everywhere that has megalithic architecture. Well, how do we rule out geology? Balbeck. A typical meteorite. Meteorites have about one per square meter. Balbeck had three per centimeter. One thing that can do this is something called cavitation.

If you symmetrically compress a water bubble, it'll release energy. It's the main reason that propellers on boats get worn out so fast. Here you can see what happens in this gear. You can see it happening in this gear. But there's another way to do it. If you hit aluminum foil with ultrasonic frequencies, it creates these holes. With the right frequency, silver is a byproduct. Now, there has been demonstrations of vibrating a rock and then putting a tube drill with weight on top of it and it will actually drill the hole itself.

Now, with water involved, there could be a cavitation effect going on there, but this has not been studied. What is for sure is there is some atomic alchemy going on. This is on page 67 of Cryptex if you'd like to [snorts] further explore that concept. There are two huge issues with the normal explanation. One, it does not make sense. Two, it does not fund the haircut that I desperately need. And that's glad a haircut uh [snorts] ending made it. Well, the the whole thing about the the cutting of these things is we're trying to rationalize or we're trying to explain it away using what we use today.

Yeah. And there's a very real possibility that technology was super advanced but in a different direction that we haven't pursued. If you think about like the directions that we pursued with internal combustion engines, electronics, electricity, all the different things that we use as technology today, that's just the way we went with the ingenuity that human beings possess. It doesn't mean that these people had to go that way. And it seems like they probably went a different way. And we don't really know what that way is.

I I I think it's an easier way than we are doing it, though. Like there's a lot of the that science that I was just talking about there is a lot cheaper to run these experiments. You you familiar with John Hutcherson? No. So back in the 80s he made this lab that he called the submarine and it was just this amalgamation of of uh Tesla coils and frequency generators and he was monitoring like earth frequencies and cosmic stuff and he was able to get objects to levitate and he was he could um he could uh basically jellify metal and embed metals within other metals and he was just messing around with some frequencies and eventually his work got classified.

died and he was kind of I think the Canadian government confiscated it and so that it was like shoved under the rug but his samples survived and so the samples that he had got uh acquired by a guy named Bob Grineer and he's been doing uh analysis on these things and he found the same microsphererals that are in the ancient stones that the unexplainable ones in John Hutcherson's samples. So there's a link here between this plasma physics, this low energy plasma physics and the the ancient stuff.

And the way we're going is very high energy physic like the large hydron collider like CERN. That stuff is is enormously energy consuming. Like the the the experiments they do there have to like shut power grids off, right? This stuff you can run in a room. like it just it's just basically it's it's putting manipulating plasma through matter in a symmetrical geometric way and it produces these really weird results and there's a lot of and the best way to describe it is is transmutation like old school alchemy.

[snorts] So so here's the question like what what were they using to make this happen? This is the So, so Bob explains it really well, but I think I and I'm not like 100% on this, but there was a tool that we are mistaking for for an artifact, if that makes sense. There was a tool that doesn't look like a tool. And I think what they were doing is, you know, the scoop mark tool like the one that you see in Egypt and everywhere else. It looks like something that you would it might be so simple is what I'm saying that we don't recognize it as a tool.

So, so within their system of doing things whether it was generating power or frequencies that were able to be uh you know passed through the human body because this plasma physics like all this new stuff the plasma can go through your through your body and not harm you. There's there's safe ways to do it. And if you can transmit it to an object and this is where the the ancient like cone stuff gets really really interesting stuff. Yeah. So like the pine cone from the the Sumerian stuff where the guy's given a pine cone out.

There's these things called votive cones. J heard of those. No. J look up votiv cones. They would put these cones they would they put a kun kuneaoiform inscription on these cones and they would embed them in the temple walls. It's basically like a uh cornerstone or like a consecration of the temple and what they were they don't look like they would be significant in any way to the construction process but we see these cones all over the place. That's it. Yeah. So basically they're they're uh yeah type of foundational deposit important billions.

Yeah. Historical memory of the ruler and his achievements. But I don't I think this is another misinterpretation of Yeah. This is the Met Museum's like official stance on it. Yeah, of course. [snorts] So, what do you think this is? So, I think this is a way of focusing this type of energy. So, the same rock would have that little thing is. How big is that thing? That's like handheld. You could So, you think that stone with those writings on was how they focused energy? So the the way that this stuff works is it they basically embed themselves in the stone.

These little plasma objects are called plasmoids. They basically embed themselves. That's so cool looking, right? Look at that writing, man. It's so bizarre. You know, Kunea form too is or Sumerian is a is a language isolate. There's no it just appears. There's there's no precursor. Kuna form is like English like it's a it's a style of writing, but Sumerian, no precursor. Just here. weird. Yeah. And so they have these things. And if you look at the the megalithic work from the Sumerians, like the Temple of Ionis or Kelesi, that stuff is the most precise stuff.

It's more precise than anything I've ever seen. Um it's a ya non. I tried. A close. Which one is it? A y an i. It's in Turkey or Anatolia. Yeah. Silia geometry there. That um basalt. Whoa. So the gray the gray one uh I think it's like andite or something. The one above. No, no, no. If you zoom out, Jamie, uh it says the fortress of Aonis Turkey. That one. Yeah, those are very hard bassalts, I believe. And uh they are completely buried. It's it's like the the vast majority of this temple is is utterly unrecognizable.

But they have the same polygonal masonry, same signature of of uh you know, everything we see around the ancient world. But um yeah, Matt Lory is actually doing some great boots on the ground work with this. He's got the I think the only footage that I know of of him walking around this place. So click that. Um this No, go back one more. That one. Uritarians down or one more. There you go. That one. So, you can clearly see that the uh like the style, you know, is exceptionally ancient.

And then you've got the same thing you see in Peru where the newer stuff, the mud brick is on top of it and you know, clear signature of of this was exceptionally old. And so these cones, this is the question. What what are they doing? How are they getting a stone cone to project energy? Like what is the process or what do they believe? What's the theory? From my understanding, it's a resonance with the plasma itself. So, it embeds itself in the rock when it goes through this process and the sun can do this.

The like natural processes can do this and they do it all the time. They there's a uh the phenomenon is a a rock that rings. So, it creates these little voids in the stone. The plasma goes through the stone and it eats away at the grain boundaries and it creates these little voids in the stone. And when you tap on the stone and this is all over Egypt, all the obelisk ring, most of the central altars will ring and it is still it's the process isn't 100% worked out yet.

We're still trying to figure it out. But what I from what I understand is the the cones or a sharp object even your finger can do it. It's uh basically a sharp point is where charge accumulates, right? That's why that we have uh lightning rods on top of houses. That is essentially a tool. And if you have two of them, you can kind of guide and position this and and work the the field that it's in. It's it's creates this thing called a monopole. And it's you know, magnets have two poles like a north south.

A monopole has one pole and it's all it's a theoretical particle but it has one pole and it's embedded in into this rock right but it bends the field around it. It bends the uh magnetic field of the earth around it. So if the cone or the tool that you're using resonates with that cavity of the stone then it can essentially move it around like a Right. But where are they getting this energy from and how are they getting it into the rock? So that's that's what we're that's kind of my process what I'm trying to figure out with the whole temple network of things because when you connect the basic idea of it is connecting the ground to the ionosphere and if you create a bridge through geometry or temple then you have a connection between those two and then the hardware of that temple kind of routes that that signal and then the signal can then be essentially broadcast out to other nodes in the network and that's where you're getting your u it's like a Wi-Fi like a router and so the process of making them though is it you have to essentially pass this energy through the rock you have to pl pass this plasma through the rock and it it reconfigures the the structure of it internally and one of those signatures is the ringing rocks that's why I made that the video the other day how the could they figure that out that the divergent science that's what you're saying is is they went down that path and it's honestly To me, it's easier to understand than our side the way we're doing things.

I I think we're kind of beating we hit a dead end at some point. We're kind of beating it over the head. Not like we're not making progress, but this stuff seems to be the right way to do it. And it seems like they everywhere knew it. They could reconfigure this stuff and that it would explain a lot of things. Like I I'm not a huge fan of the geopolymer theory of, you know, they pour these rocks because there's just too much evidence that they they were fit together like that.

But it would explain it because that gelification like I was saying with John Hutchson's work with metals, it does this to pretty much anything. It can do it to to rock to whatever you pass this thing through. It's it's almost like an intelligent system. I'm I'm I'm probably butchering a lot of this, but like the science is this is the newest frontier of of that research. And so how long do you think a civilization would have to exist before they went down this alternative route of technology where they could figure that out?

This is where it gets Have you heard of ringing rocks in Pennsylvania? Yeah, I have not. There's a park where there's tons and tons of these rocks that people go and hit with hammers and they ring like bells. What? That was and no one knows how what I'm looking right now. No one knows how they got there or how they were formed. One website said witchcraft made them which is obviously not real. But the Native Americans used them. They would bring them to to some of their sites, sacred sites.

Well, what is that rock made out of that does that ringing rocks period of a thousand years these boulders were formed? Erosion, activation of water. A rare geological experience awaits visitors. When struck lightly with a hammer, each boulder gives off a bell-like tone. Size and shape of the boulder affects the tone. If removed from the site, the boulders were no longer possessed this unique quality. Just so you don't steal them. But yeah, but maybe not. I mean, that's maybe how you stumble across that. How would that be possible?

Ancient times. How would it be possible if you remove the boulders and like put it in your backyard? You couldn't get it to ring. I just made a video on the ringing rock phenomenon. Yeah, they got to be touching each other or something. That's very strange because it's weird. That's weird. But it's not as weird as this idea that you're you're suggesting because it's like [snorts] when you know we have to think how long did it take us to get to the point where we have cell phones.

How long did it take them to the point where they were able to use geometric patterns to connect the ionosphere with temples and generate plasma power with stones? What? Yeah. Like what are we talking about? How long do you think these civilizations existed? I don't I I'm I'm not sure that it's like a a the way we're looking at it. I don't think it's it that fits like the let's take the dynastic Egyptians for example. Okay. I don't think they came up with that. I think there's two classes like the Osirian, the shaft and great pyramid.

Those are classified in my opinion as hardware and infrastructure. Whereas the temples like Luxor Carnac and the the ones that you would traditionally think of as Egyptian, those are the software layer, the operating system of how to use this stuff, right? So you have two separate things and then you have in the middle you have the wetwware that's a human. So the wetwware can be programmed essentially using the infrastructure and the instructions. So that to me doesn't seem to this whole system does not seem to be invented by the dynastic culture.

It seems to have been interpreted by them maybe through a representative of the prior culture. That's like the the kind of the Graham idea of you know maybe there were survivors. They knew how to work it. They came they told these guys how to work it and then they got a little cocky with it. And when we say the original culture, like you are you talking about like the king's list? Yeah. You're talking about like these people that supposedly lived for thousands and thousands of years.

Yeah. I I don't think they were um I mean, especially with mummification and stuff, I don't I think they knew how to like reinhabit reincarnate intentionally into another body essentially, you know, so they could continue that. Where did you get this from? What do you mean? Where'd you get this idea from? I mean the mummification idea is how they passed on knowledge. That's that's like Egyptian lore. That's that's their that's how they did it. The so so Horus is the is the sun god on earth, right?

He the the the wisdom of Horus gets transmitted to every successive pharaoh. So you would go through the training through the the temple complexes and you go up the Nile and you would learn what you need to learn at each temple. Each temple has a theme. Exact. it like every single one of them is trying to teach a life lesson, philosophical lesson, history lesson. And so you you would take that initiatic path and then at the end of that path, you would be anointed as the sun god on earth, right?

But that was a process that you had to basically tune your your brain receiver to to handle, right? So it's like I can't go to the gym and immediately hop on and bench 405, right? I have to spend years and years training and and working up to it. But once I hit that four or five, I'm I'm crowned the champion if I if that's my, you know, personal best or if I'm at a competition, right? Their crowning of the champion would would be downloading the previous memories of the the prior pharaoh.

It was a transfer of of consciousness essentially. I was I was Have you seen the show Altered Carbon on Netflix? Yes. Like they had the sleeves. Yeah. watch the first couple episodes. This episode is brought to you by Blue Chew. Man, let's talk about Blue Chew. They're already the number one brand for better sex, but what they're doing with Blue Chew Gold is completely next level. Gold is a 4in-one formula designed to make your bedroom noisy again. Obviously, it gets you hard like you're back in your 20s, and everything is handled 100% online.

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Check it out. This ad and the products being advertised are intended for a United States audience. I think that was a similar process to what they were doing, but they did it without like a technological barrier. Okay. So the idea this is like similar to the idea of the Dollaly Lama like each person is like a reincarnated version of the Dollaly Lama they have to go out and find who it is. Yeah. So the idea is that these people didn't live that long. It's not like they lived for tens of thousands of years but the the essence of who they were was transported into another vehicle, another body.

Yeah. Why but why do you come up with this idea? Uh I because I think it was a developmental process in one I think we would maybe see some evidence of of it and I think that the it's kind of right in front of our face. The mummification phenomenon is just weird in general. You know it's it's just a an outlier in terms of history of of a process that we don't really understand. And I think what that was was a [sighs] I I would I call it a quantum anchor in in my terminology.

And what I mean by that is like it's a bookmark that can access a certain amount of memory from from another person, right? So what what the Egyptians would do is have you seen a like the full casket of a mummy? They layered. There's huge there's like the outer stone layer and there's a wood layer and then they just keep getting like it's like a Russian doll. Nice doll. They're they're selective with their materials though. The se the the selection of materials is in my opinion what they would do to like keep that frequency in that particular mummy.

They would hold on to that frequency and then when whenever a new pharaoh would come in, they would basically have a ceremony probably involved psychedelics of some sort and download that previous pharaoh's memories and knowledge and wisdom and all that stuff. And so they could continue the the the reign based off of inherited wisdom instead of me talking to you about the lessons that I learned in my life. You directly experience them through a altered state of consciousness. [clears throat] You know about Rupert Sheldrick's uh theory of morphic resonance.

Love it. Weird stuff, right? And it's also weird that there seems to be some evidence that points to the fact that it exists in nature. Like if you teach rats how to navigate a maze on the east coast, the rat the rats on the west coast navigate it quicker. Yeah. Like it's measurable. Yeah. Like they figure it out quicker. Yeah. And that you could pass this information on to generations. Like um there was that study that that there was a young man who uh I think it was a lavender smell or something.

He did. Well, there's one that he did. There's one that they did with uh caterpillars where they figured out that caterpillars can contain memories. Oh, cuz they they dissolve themselves and they become the butterfly and they still remember this stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so there's some weird stuff with memory and with genetics. And that memory is somehow or another like memories of puzzles and different things that they've tried to get people to do and animals to do. And also different reactions that they have to stimuli whether it's negative or positive like getting shocked if they smell a certain thing and then future generations are they avoid that thing.

Yeah. It seems that we don't totally understand what memory is and we we probably have a very crude idea of uh how to contain it and how long it lasts and like what what it actually is. That it might be information that just exists in some other state that maybe a very sophisticated civilization has figured out how to quantify that and how to capture it and how to transmit it and how to use it. Yeah, that's that's basically the idea. And I think that's what they're saying directly in the Egyptian text.

I honestly do believe that because they get hyperdetailed on how to navigate this this realm and it seems very similar to like the stuff you see of the DMT research or you encounter an entity or you have this shared experience of something that you can't really explain. Maybe they were explaining that. Maybe that's what they were, you know, they were mapping that like we're kind of mapping it now. But they the way they did it was to if you go into the temples they restrict your sensory input.

That's kind of a po the point of the temple is you start in this big outside courtyard and you narrow into the final the the nouse of the temple the main big old box of it. And when you get in there the the environment is extremely acoustic. They would obviously have like incense and stuff going to so you have this like you have this tuned state that you're in, right? And then the the deity itself in each temple the in in Egypt, Rome and the Hindu culture, all of their temples were the literal bodies of the deities.

It wasn't a we associate them with churches and churches are not the same as cathedrals and cathedrals are not the same as temples. Like these are they're all technically a temple if you want to put them under that umbrella, but the function of each one wildly different, right? So the Egyptian version was was uh to align your consciousness with this sort of energy frequency. And if there in physics, there's a concept called spontaneous synchronization where if you have a metronome and it's on a moving base, it will sync up with other metronomes on that moving base.

And what it is is frequency in training pretty much. It's it's the the dominant frequency subtly aligns the other frequencies until they match up. And in my opinion, that's what they were doing with the brain. And they were essentially building that that receiver of their brain through this ritual process to receive that deity's consciousness. And that is that is the temple side of things. That's not what like the Osiran's doing. The Oyeran is not one of those things. It's it's a very huge large infrastructure project that looks like it was meant to withstand a whole bunch of stuff.

The temple is is something that's meant it looks more like a programming interface where you would go in and you would learn this stuff like a like a university but basic like Neo downloading the kung fu you know. So how long would a civilization have to exist before they figured something like this out? That's this is where all of all of everything kind of converges because because if we have evidence of I I don't want to say it's ancient aliens, but a a civilization that appears to be alien to us like we were just talking about with if you found a vault with all our technology locked into it, you'd be like, "What the fuck?" If if that were the case then and it and this cataclysm happened, you know, I think that their timeline is correct.

I think that we should take their timeline seriously. The the Sumerian and Egyptian kings list, I think that they're probably more accurate than we want to give off. And their timeline is hundreds of thousands of years, especially the Sumerians, right? Yeah. Like some of the rulers, how what's the longest ruler? I think it's like 50,000 something like that. Yeah. Can you imagine being around here 50,000 years? And then you have things like the book of Enoch. Yeah. Right. which which talks about the watchers who come down and mate with the daughters of men and create the Nephilim, a race that destroys everything.

Yeah. Which sounds a lot like us. Uh but this idea of being visited is ubiquitous like throughout all of these ancient cultures. It's they all talk of something and it's generally coming down. Yeah. Like coming down from somewhere. Those from heaven to earth came. Yeah. you know, this is this is the common theme that something comes down from the sky. I I think too that if they were that capable of of doing this type of transitionary uh you know, memory wiping and redownloading type of a thing, we we may not have really even noticed that they were that much different unless they look like the Peruvian mummies or something, you know, like those things.

But if they could do that, then they probably looked a lot like Egyptians. They probably looked a lot like the the people that they were encountering because of this phenomenon of them breeding with the the local populations. And then that's where you probably get your explosion of of civilizations at this same exact time in history where we get agriculture and all this this rule of law and like how to build these crazy things. They all pop up at the same time. So those are those are pointing in that direction in my opinion.

And then once they got a stable civilization to to kind of hold on to, they could slowly build it back up and and keep this process going. But then you have something like that Mesopotamia um flood that was intermediate between the younger dus and now where you have these periodic like we almost made it and then the information gets gets thrown back again. So it's just been this like cat-and- mouse game of we almost got it and no something happens, right? So there's probably a period of peace in terms of like natural disasters and cataclysmic wars and whatever it was a period of peace where there was enough time where they could innovate and get to this insane level of sophistication.

Yeah. And the evidence that we have is probably these megalithic structures. Yes. And that's that to me is the they knew where the infrastructure was because even the uh like like Ankor Watt has megalithic infrastructure. There's there's a bunch of places that you can't really tell it's megalithic because they would build on top of these temples, right? And the infrastructure part like like Teotukon, Chichinita, those the that stuff is the best example I use because they they are also nesting dolls of pyramids, right? So the inner core of the of the uh the pyramids seems to be that someone knew where that thing was and they were like look you got to build it like this and get it aligned properly and then it'll work again.

And then they just kept kept on doing that and then it just builds up and then by the time you look at like Carac has megalithic stuff in it. It's the biggest temple in Egypt. But around it it looks there's there's Greor Roman stuff. There's like modern repairs. It's so hard to tell what is the most ancient stuff, but you could when you encounter it in Egypt, you physically feel that it's the ancient stuff. There's there's like a there's a vibe to it. You can you can see it.

So, well, this has been detailed, too. When people talk about the erosion uh when they talk about the erosion, particularly in Giza and some of these areas, there's different levels of erosion. There's some erosion that seems to indicate tens of thousands of years. Yeah. And that's that's what's thrown kind of a monkey wrench in it. There's like Petra is a great example of this. Some of the the stuff in Petra is uh [snorts] crazy crazy eroded and some of it looks like like pristine perfect, you know, and and there's they're very Petra is only like 10% excavated.

You walk around Petra and you're you're walking on the roof of some building and you you can look down in there and it's Yeah. So th that stuff in the right place where where they put these big uh like the treasury and stuff looks fine. It looks it looks like they you know well preserved. But there's this that guy right there. The breathtaking natural wonder natural colors to the left. Jamie. Yeah. Down and to the right. To the right. Yeah. That one. Yeah. Yeah. Look how heavily eroded that sucker is.

Isn't this where that lion is, too? Yeah. There's like a lion cut into the wall. You know what I'm talking about? I'll look it up real quick. But hold on a second. stay on that one. [snorts] So that so you feel like this is like quite a bit older. The whole the whole site of Petra is a crazy enigma, dude. The the engineering that went in there just to make that place livable is looks super super old. And then you'll walk through you'll you'll encounter one of these guys and then you'll encounter a perfect one in the treasury and then you'll encounter one that's just like is a hole in the wall that looks like it was under construction.

It's just like all of it does not make any sense. So all of Petra is essentially carved out of these mountains. Yeah, there's there's a couple Roman there's a Roman temple and an amphitheater at the end of it, but the main stuff is Yeah, there's a lion. Oh yeah, that's a old looking that look like an elephant. What is that? You see it in the right shape which is way looked like a mountain lion that was, you know, could have lived there. It's got a tail.

Okay, that's a different one. Is that a different one or is it a different a different one? Wow. Um, can I bring up side note as you're talking? Uh, I was thinking of something and looked it up and didn't get taken off my path. Is there a place like the hill described on telepathy tapes in ancient descriptions of anything? You know what I'm talking about? The hill. Do you know about that? I I know the telepathy tapes. I'm I'm not familiar with this. So, the telepathy tapes, they talk about these non-verbal autistic kids that all meet up telepathically in this place that they refer to as the hill.

Like people that have not encountered each other physically all talk about this this area. And this hill is supposed to be a place that and other people have gotten to it too, right? So, that's the weird part. As I was thinking, it's it's uh the hill is it's it maybe is a hill, maybe isn't a hill, you know? It's it's out somewhere in the subconscious or wherever the hell they're actually going. Yeah. But as you're talking about, you know, back in the past, I'm like, well, that it didn't just start in the last 50 years, right?

That probably has been there forever. Well, the ancient Greece has somewhere like dream temples are talking about. [snorts] If you go down to uh this says shamanic soul flights, but I think more interesting is ancient Irish and Celtic. They actually I mean mound builders, there are hills. And the way it was described in telepathy tapes is there's various hills. They're they're sort of geographically located, but there are also big giant hills where there are thousands of people hanging out, talking, communicating, learning. People have learned hieroglyphs.

They go ask a teacher. And this is why drugs are illegal. And then as you're saying, I'm like, they could if someone was a ruler, they could have like cut off the p like no one's going here anymore, right? We need full control. That's break all the tablets that show you how to get there. Yep. We're done. It's over. You know, now this my I did this. Right. I made all of this and now that's what we and there's a lot of evidence that people do that now.

Like look what the the Taliban did when they blew up all those ancient Yeah. Yeah. So, and and if you once you add the layer of like an altered state of consciousness, like the the most impactful moments in some people's lives are their first psychedelic experiences or near-death experiences, stuff like that. That's the download. You know, you're you're kind of changed and altered forever after you go through one of these things, right? So if you could control that instead of having this this I'm just going to see what happens on Iaska journey you know if you could control that and guide it which is exactly what you find in the uh the bur actual bur not the not the pyramid tombs because they're not tombs in the actual burials of the pharaohs they have spells on the wall that that tell you how to navigate to connect with them to connect with other deities to it's it's how they would they would go through this celestial university and interact with ancestors or uh get full memories sometimes and and have these exp these direct experiences that when they came out of their ex their uh ritual they would bring them out into the world and teach everybody else.

But to do that, not anybody can just do that. you know, you have to be able to hold your conscious form in that that realm because anyone that's gone through one of these experiences know that it's kind of like you're you're at the mercy of the experience. You know, you're kind of getting thrown around. But I think to answer that question of like what how long does it take their science to do that? I think that was actually the first core part of the science was learning how to navigate that world.

And then everything else kind of would come easy if you could know how to access the information of how do I jellify this rock? How do I how do I move it? How do I because it would it would give you secrets to nature that you're not necessarily going to see with your limited sensory perception. It's going to be something internal. It's nosis. That's what they called it in the ancient world. It's direct knowledge of how the mechanics of the natural world actually work. Jamie, see if you can find the hieroglyphs of the path to the afterworld or the afterlife.

I think it's KV7. I think it's that's that's Ramsay's um burial chamber. That's weird as I keep saying spells. I keep thinking of prompts for Oo. And if you don't know the right prompt, you know, you're not going to get the right thing. Yeah. And or it's just as magical. Oh, dude. I think you just nailed something. Damn, Jimmy. Sorry. Yeah. So why you apologize? Jamie, you need to write a book. That's Wow. Yeah. Right. You got to And if you don't say it right, you're not going to get the right answer back, right?

Done that a lot. So, so yeah, if you knew how to prompt that experience, a DMT- like experience, and this is what you're So, this the uh the snake around the the whenever that it's in the hieroglyphs is is they'll say it's protection, you know, but that's what I'm saying. If by holding your conscious form, holding a space for your conscious form, you you essentially become an observer in this world that can navigate it and it's protected by this this uh your your own personal vibration that you had to build up through this temple initiation protocol.

Well, it certainly also could be under the spell of a psychedelic experience which a lot of people encounter serpents. Yeah. Yeah. That's like a main motif in in Yeah. Like look, he's got the serpents around him as he's traveling. Look at the uh And look, he's all white. Like he's in a protected bubble. Yeah. Like he's in a vehicle. Yeah. That's So this is You'll see on his head, too. You'll see. That's the solar disc. What? That's cane. Yeah. What's the solar disc? Solar the That's So the boat there in in my interpretation of this is a wormhole.

Essentially, the way that we would describe a wormhole. Uh you can click that one, Jamie. That you're hovering over. Yeah, that's so the solar boat is the method of transport and this is why I say it's it's like a direct download because this was the protocol of like where they were going, where they were, how you find them and they would put down the prompt to to reach them. Oh, it. Like, why are they writing this stuff down? That's what I'm You know what I'm saying?

Like, is this nonsense or is this are they trying to explain something? That's [snorts] an actual process. Jamie, look up the Book of Caverns. You're going to love this one. Okay. Go to There are these weird figures on the Book of Caverns. Like that thing. Um, no. The very first one had them. Click it and you'll probably get a better one. Uh, no. Ken Casey wrote a book on that. Oh, introduction by Kis. That one. Tour Egypt. Right. Right there. That tour Egypt one. Click that one.

Right above you. Okay. Now, go to that file extract from the book of caverns Wikipdia comments up there. Yeah. Look at the creatures on the bottom there. What the hell are those? This one is crazy, man. This the Book of Cavern is like some of the most wild hieroglyphic imagery you're going to see there. That's like that to me. I'm I'm I'm going full Nephilim on that one. Yeah. What the are those things? Yeah. And there's there's They're all uniform. There's optical physics in another page.

Like the spherical refraction um the the diagram for spherical refraction is is the image. [snorts] Where where's that? So the the Ken Keysy thing is actually just a novel. Yeah. Yeah. So there's another one. Maybe scroll down on this one that you're looking at here. Uh, which popping up. What would be the spell that we put into the What's the the prompt spell? I've got Would you say spherical refraction? Yeah. So So the optics of a sphere. This is going to blow your mind. They put this on um It's the scroll of uh man Queen Kent Cow.

How about spherical refraction? Try not to. Yeah. I mean, I ain't got no signal in here. Is this it? That top that one in the middle right there where Jamie's No, it says Egyptian occult. It It shows some sort of refraction above that using a Mac, Jamie. I could I could I'm going to airdrop this to you actually. See, this is why you had my stuff prepped. What is all this stuff right here? So, this is these are in burial. These are the burial chambers. the actual burial chambers, not the not the pyramids.

So, they run Oh, and look at those freaky dudes are on the bottom. The same freaky dudes, but they're on their knees. Yeah. No, I'm telling you, it's the weirdest stuff you'll ever see. The hieroglyphs you see above ground and in the like regular temples, nothing like this. They all have long ass fingers. Yeah, we'll have to search for that. They're all these very bizarre looking creatures with long fingers. Yeah. and they were standing up walking in the other hieroglyphs and in this one they're all leaning down.

But it seems it seems to be important that they document the size of their digits in their hands. They're they're utterly unlike any other figures that you see depicted too. Jamie, can you go back to the images we were just talking about? We were just looking at and this one. Yeah, that one. And make those guys in the bottom bigger. Like what the are those things? They look almost tied up, too. It's Well, it looks like they're on their knees, like they're in a box. And the nested gate thing that that you see that all over the temples.

The the things that they're trapped in right next to it is like a this nested gate kind of stone doorway type thing that you see everywhere. Go back to that image again. Oh, there it is. Like, what the are those things, man? And they don't have heads here. They don't have heads and they have these weird long appendages that come off of their almost like they have two armed like two lower arms. Yeah. And so when you see it larger it I thought they were fingers but now it looks way weirder than that.

Yeah. They're they're definitely one of the things I think is uh and they're always kind of lower too. So, like spirits of the underworld, I guess, like the darker darker ones. weird. Yeah, I was going to try to use a search to try to ask what's in the bottom of the image, you know? Yeah, good idea. What What is What's the conventional explanation for what those things are? Dear Perplexity, help us out. On the bottom of this image, here we go. Our wonderful AI sponsor, Perplexity, checking available files.

It's going to be hard. It's going to have to be what? Stylized humanlike figures. Some painted black. Wow. Perplexity is taking its time on this one. Usually it bangs stuff out quick. It's freaking out. Yeah, this is like this is you can't know this. Double check. Hey, this is like we're asking it to tell us how to make a bomb. We tried to talk to it the other day to teach us how to smoke PCP. Yeah, it wouldn't do it. Oh man, you're not pro. You're not using the right spell, dude.

Eventually, we convinced it that we're on PCP. Um, wow, look how slow it's going. Can I air drop a link to you, Jamie? Yeah. Do you see it? It should. Uh, here it goes. See if I can. Some painted black and others red, walking or standing in sequence. To the left of them are three wavy snake- like horizontal symbols. Yeah, I understand that. But what is it? Humanike figures. They look they look headless. Small standing human figures in Egyptian style profile rendered as silhouettes rather than detailed people.

Their long slightly bent bodies and arms suggest they may be repeated depictions of a deity or ritual participants. But the image alone is not enough to identify them confidently. Yeah, they don't have an answer. They just they're just describing it. You can add like the book of the caverns too and it might tell you a little bit more. Did you send that refracted? I I'm trying to How do I get this to you, Jamie? Airrop. It's like a link in Canva. I have I think I can airdrop a link.

Okay, let's try that. Airrop. So, has have you had anybody explain to you what those headless weird looking things? No. Some Sometimes I just I I will encounter stuff while looking for this and it like it'll it'll pop up into my head. And I went to I met a bunch of people in Egypt and so I'll send it to them and often there's not a lot of like we have a really poor understanding of hieroglyphs. I want to like make that very clear. The Greeks didn't get everything from hieroglyphs.

They the Greeks they the Egyptian priests the ancient ancient Egyptian priests they didn't tell the Greeks everything you know and so we have the Rosetta Stone that translates the phonetics of hieroglyphs. know how they spoke hier hieroglyphics like their their language, but we don't know what their meanings were. We have the best interpretation from the Greeks of what they mean, but that's it. Like we're not we we didn't get this straight from the the horse's mouth and it was what I'm saying. This is like there was never someone that walked a Greek guy like through the temple like this is what this means.

This was that's not how they taught people. So we're still like kind of throwing our darts in the dark here with a lot of this stuff. And that's why I I I take the mainstream a little bit seriously in terms of like what the idea is, but you also have to look at it like they were probably looking at it and which is not the way that we would look at it, right? So, let's see if I can do this. So, this thing that you're sending Jamie, what's the um what's the significance of it?

So it's it's basically matching up like I'm I what I like to do is show physics in my like my videos, right, of them accurately describing processes uh that we understand today, but only through our scientific method, right? So that's kind of like a a I don't know little little sledgehammer blow I like to take to these to these things. But um yeah, Jamie, I can't I I don't know if I can airdrop a link. It's showing you're here, but I can air drop a file.

I'll just aird drop you the file because this one is Bear with us, ladies and gentlemen, as we scramble. So, sorry. Yeah, it just [snorts] I was looking up. It says the perplexity is sort of saying it's like a depiction of the underworld. That's sort of what you were saying. This is it's always it's always the underworld. It's always fertility. It's always protection. But like that's such a broad term like they and they're getting it from academic research, but they're getting it from whatever textbooks have been written about it.

Yeah. So there's a there's a huge gap in between our interpretation because we kind of put a blanket over all of these cultures and they didn't treat things like we say that they treat these things. And even if you go to places that still have a really good uh cultural anchor like Peru, they they don't agree with what we say this thing was, you know, they don't agree that the Incas built the pre-Inca looking stonework, right? They they they don't claim that, but we will say that the Inca did it.

And so that that was always a huge problem for me uh like trying to make sense of all this stuff is like, well, they're saying this. Why do I believe you just because you are at a university and this is in a textbook I'm reading, you know, right? All right. Here we go. So, what are we looking at? There we [sighs] go. There's a Yeah. So, this is in that same book, The Book of the Caverns, right? This is just a different page of it. But what you're looking at down there is um this guy art of Clay Taylor, I use his stuff all the time, is like just did this amazing analysis of the So, what's happening is there's being light.

This is how a sphere recalls. Go back to the top, please. It's hard to show on the screen for everybody. Can you uh shrink it? Then no one can see it on the screen. Oh, I see on TV. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to both. Yeah. So, the the comparison basically um you see where the the beam is going in a perfectly straight line there. Yes. So, that's containing all of these uh the deities. You can see that they are pulling the the the end there is Kunum.

He's uh man we have to go through the entire Egyptian pantheon to explain this but basically what it's saying is there there's a a energy a knowledge a wisdom being transmitted through this this light and when you look at it it is the exact optical refraction of a sphere and so that's the the solar disc is basically the transmitter of this this information the deity's consciousness so how you manipulate that light is what we see in the actual temples. And so it's basically a tuning fork.

The they use the light as a tuning fork to get this information or to navigate through this underworld spiritual realm. And the evidence of that for me is in the perfect optical refraction of a sphere. Crazy that it completely aligns. No, it's it's it's dead on. And there's a sphere. Yeah. Sphere at the right side of the image. Okay, I'm going to blur your mind even more here. and the spherical refraction that you see that's mirrored down below it. What actually happens with light in a sphere?

You've seen the exact thing including the reversal of the images top and bottom. So, so Jamie, if you open that last one, I'll make this one will make sense. At the tip of that image that we saw, you know, you had that straight line going through it. If you overlay the the great pyramid over this spherical refraction, it is one. We we know that the angle of a rainbow is in the side of the pyramid. It is in the concave part of it because the py great pyramid's eight-sided.

There's a line that goes right through it. That is the angle of a double p of a double rainbow. And the the way that the sphere refracts the light is the exact layout of the great pyramid. And so where the the grand gallery goes, the that middle part that I'm pointing the area the or the uh yeah, I'm pointing the arrow to, that is where right on the tip of the of the the sphere, it breaks the colors up into the seven colors of the uh rainbow, right, Roy BIV.

Now, when you say it's an eight-sided pyramid, how how are you saying that? [sighs] I saw a picture of it. Yeah, it's it greatly complicates the construction process being eight-sided as well. So, it's you only see it on the equinox. I believe it's a shadow of Yeah. So, so like they're counting that as two sides cuz it's it's it's dented in on the flat sides a little bit. It's got a concavity, but you can only see it certain times a year. So, it looks like it's four-sided, but each So, okay.

So, do you think that when it was covered in limestone that was more prevalent? No, I I think they probably smoothed it out. I think it's a more of a functional aspect of it because when you when you actually when you look at the tuning of the pyramids, they they kind of they they resonate at the Schuman cavity resonances. And so, I think this was a deliberate focusing of those radio frequencies down into the electromagnetic spectrum. Go back to those images that you were just showing, please.

Which ones? The ones you just had on screen. The pyramid one. Go back. Make it larger. I mean, [snorts] uh, scroll back. Scroll back so I can see the rest of the left side of the screen. So, this that right there. So, the Great Pyramid is not eight-sided. What is that? I mean, this is a thumbnail from YouTube. I don't I mean, they could go down and watch this video and see what Or is it? It says Oh, or is it? So, you can see it when you go there.

You'll see a small uh weird spot in the middle of the Great Pyramid that looks like there's something there, but you only see it really from above on certain times of the year. Wow. Yeah. And what do you think this function was? So when you manipulate the shape of a tetrahedrin or a pyramid, what it does is it adjusts the focus internally. So it'll adjust the shape of the it's it's there's a quantum process for it, but it adjusts the the basically the output of what the what the shape is doing.

So, if it's uh we're we're tapping into like a radio wave frequency band in terms of how big the Great Pyramid is, but there's there was a study in 2018 that showed that it can convert radio waves into electromagnetic energy into the ground. And it's doing this passively. It's not like a It's not like Chris Dunn's idea right now. You know, maybe it was at some point, but um what it actually does is it interacts with the electromagnetic spectrum and the radio frequencies that are that are bouncing around the the Schuman cavity, which is where we exist in, right?

And so what I think was happening is internally there's these chambers and these specific little nodes that were like filters like band pass filters or or you know taking a a bigger wave that's passing through this and creating something inside of it that kind of slips through and that can utilize the frequencies that are that are passing through it. So to me they're like more of a sync than they were like a transmitter. I think a lot of people think they were a transmitter. I think they were they were sinking the this flow of energy into the ground.

Yeah. So those bands there are the radio frequency bands and they tested this. I think it was 2018. Yeah, 2018. And so how do they think this is happening? So I think they did a little I think they did a model of it there. I'm not 100% sure on the normally second I think I think they made a model of it and they tested it in a in a closed environment but um I I don't think they actually got out there with the you know some sort of device that read the signal in the ground but what the what they're saying basically is the geometry does that the geometry focuses the the energy it's an it's an alchemical process you're taking a bigger wave and you're down down converting it into a smaller wave And so that that can interact with the environment as well.

So if you change the soil conductivity or the electrical gradients that are moving through the crust of the earth, then that affects plant growth, that affects germination rates, that affects a whole bunch of things. It affects how how lively an ecosystem is is directly related to soil conductivity. And so at at minimum it was interacting in that way. So at maximum they were probably routing it in other ways too. Like what first of all how did they learn this first of all and second of all what are they doing with it?

So this is the importance of of this is why I think it's infrastructure because I think that um you know if we if we're talking about these planetary cycles and stuff like that the the civilization that was before the dynastic Egyptians the ones that built the infrastructure like Osiran Osiris shaft and pyramids they probably had to do some environmental modification to make civilization work in certain areas. I think maybe the earth went through something quite serious before the younger dus even and this was kind of a recovery system for that.

And when you look at the work of uh you know Gerald Pollock does like easy water like structured water. Oh okay. Yeah. He does he does because that's what your body uses. Your body is is water but it's structured water. It's a liquid crystal and it that that's because it can carry nutrients and electricity and basically all you need for life is in structured water and every temple was interacting with this structured water or at least a body of water or an intersection between the two and and Randall talks about this in endlessly too but so there's this geometric interface between the ionosphere and the toertic currents or ground currents that control soil conductivity right so if I put a geometric interface between the two, then I can shape that.

And then if I shape it even more with an underground network of pipes and systems that are distributing this out to the environment, like we see at Ankorwatt and at Dasher in Egypt, then this starts to become an ecological machine essentially that's that has no moving parts but is interacting with the environment in a way that like I the best thing I can say is is terraforming. you know they were they were terraforming or creating a local ecology that could sustain life where they wanted to live in the most productive parts of the world I guess.

So [snorts] with this geometric pattern so with the pyramid itself what do you think the structure underneath it is? Do you have a theory like what the purpose of it was? If they are the the shape that Filippo is saying that they are, you know, if they are accurately that big and that large, then those to me sound they look like tuning forks. They look like there's some sort of resonant cavities in a way that if it's if we're focusing that that energy from from uh you know the atmosphere down into the ground then the the shape of it you're essentially looking at the top of an obelisk and we know what the obelisks look like and we know the obelisk ring and so all of these these um these things are lining up.

So, so the the Great Pyramid itself, the main thing is made of of limestone, right? And then you have the King's Chamber that's made of of rose granite that was transported from 500 miles away, but the mountains 80 tons. Yeah, no big deal. U but the rose granite's interesting. The rose granite has is is high in quartz, so it's pzo electric and then it is also ferromagnetic. That's why it's rose. There's a lot of iron in it. So if it is taking if the great pyramid is taking the in these these radio waves and then essentially focusing them into electromagnetic energy that energy is passing through the king's chamber which would interact with that in a way that would m basically tune that energy like the spontaneous synchronization of the consciousness we were talking about earlier.

Same concept but going into the ground. So, if we're taking this and we're tuning that energy going into the ground that our plants and our our light, our uh humans can work with, then we have a system of cultivating this garden of Eden essentially in any area that we want. You can if you can bring these little devices and you can put a node here and a node here, node here, then you create this vast network of a very livable environment. And when they don't work, then you have a very aid environment that is unlivable, which is what they what we see in Egypt now.

And so so you think it was geoengineering? I think it was No, I think it was you can't say our phones are just phones, right? Our phones do way more than that, right? I think their main purpose was stabilizing the local local ecology and the environment of these places. I think that was a main purpose. A secondary purpose was learning and teaching humans how to use this energy in other ways that benefited life in general. So organizing society in in a in a proper you know civilization would be very important.

Uh engineering things to withstand earthquakes and environmental disasters would be very important. Hydrarology would be very important. All of these things seem to be uh a part of that system as well where once you have this uh the batteries connected to my phone, my phone's working, right? But then I have to download the apps to do other stuff with it. The apps are essentially what the humans are doing. The apps become the human. You get to you you go into this place and it's it's providing you with your with your uh your environment you can live.

And then you go into the temples and it's basically your university where you download your your information and then you create your civilization after that. It'd be a way of of boxing up a civilization and basically white labeling it so you could do it somewhere else and using the local uh creatures that evolved there naturally, which would fit in perfectly with what we see, right? If if Earth evolved primates naturally and then they get modified to accept these signals by these people, these beings that came here or that hadn't been here already, then all you'd have to do is really find another creature that's capable of speaking.

And then you have your your template and then that template spliced with your genetics and connected with the system becomes a way of living on any world that you choose. [snorts] Oh, okay. So you think that this was so in this ability that these things have to control the environment and make it more hospitable, do you think this has an ability to affect weather? Do you think they're doing that? Do you think they're making more plant growth? What What do you think they're doing with this?

Both. So we have to separate these out into certain um I I I'll separate into three main categories here. So we have the Americas which was like the biologist biologist they were the lab of uh that worked with the plants they were there you we see this in all of their sacred sites right uh they were acclimatizing crops they were living in Machu Picchu where they could grow food up on top of mountains they would they were still close to sea level where they could manipulate that whole environment too.

they were masters of of working with this like the entire Amazon is was is pretty much engineered by humans. So that that to me is is um like going to school for biology or agriculture. And then you have Europe, the European um area, Grecomor Roman stuff, which is ordering society and making sure that that resources are distributed properly and and humans can regardless of how you think about that. Uh the Romans were the most successful empire builders of all time and they they did that by absorbing uh different belief systems.

So they were kind of transmuting the the different thoughts of the people around them and in their empire to work for the the greater good I guess. And then you have Egypt which is consciousness like all conscious based and and what all their hieroglyphs and stuff. They were kind of the people that were like okay this is how you make a connection with these natural patterns of nature that we call they called nets the neater nets. Um but that's where we get our name for nature.

The neters were these patterns of uh you know nature consciousness and things like that. And you could essentially tap into those and gain insight, wisdom and nosis through that. And then you have the Hindu and the Pacific Islands over here which if you look at all of their stuff, they were working with the water. They were prepping the water. They were cleaning the water. They were doing all this stuff to water. You have Hindu stepwells. Every one of them has a Shiva that you pour water on to you know as as their ritual which purifies and and makes the water sacred.

And then you get into the Pacific islands, you have places like um Ankor Watt, which is the most hydraological hydraologically advanced system that we've ever seen in the ancient world. And we still don't know if it's it's its true scale, right? And so I like I like using anchor watt because it's kind of a good example of what this ancient system was where they all have a piece of of the same, I guess, theory. They all have the technology, but they have specializations for implementing it into reality.

And so with that, you have your your population evolves in terms of intellect and ability and controlling the environment and survivability. And so you have a school essentially a a human school of teaching humans how to cultivate this this living thing on this planet, which is the planet itself. It's basically awakening the planet to intelligence, whether that's plant life, human intelligence. Whatever works with this type of energy, that was the system for implementing it is the is the temple system. And so the evidence in that for for my line of research would be okay, we have clear examples of our tech doing this and this is what it does and this stuff one, yeah, this looks like this, whatever, but we're working with different scales.

If you're looking at the layout of these temples, we're working with the electromagnetic spectrum in our phones and they are working in the acoustic spectrum with the temples. They're all tuned to crazy resonances everywhere. And they're not their notation for that was flowers essentially. And the flowers match up with simatic patterns. And so these are essentially the keys to working with the with the different temple frequencies inside of it. So you're you're an operator. You're like driving this thing essentially of of what it can do.

Jesus Christ. How the hell [snorts] did they learn this? Your guess is as good as mine. I'm just I'm just trying to DJ the stuff and figure out this knowledge. Well, it's a fascinating perspective, but it also makes you think like what are we really talking about? What does this civilization look like? What does this pre-existing civilization look like? What is the earliest versions of it? Well, there's there's a lot of interesting and and this stuff is kind of on the fringes, but like let's say that, you know, the the Martian world was the our original home and it got unlivable.

Something happened to it. There's huge scars on Mars. Like, something horrible could have happened to that place. So, let's say they had that much time to to evolve as a civilization like on another planet. And we're trying to figure out how to terraform Mars right now. Elon's doing that. So this back and forth like okay we need to have a backup world isn't a foreign concept. It's not it's not something that would be wildly out there to suggest that we we should probably find a way of of living on another world right now.

Let's extrapolate that. Say your whole solar system's dying or say say you need a uh you know you're you're trying to colonize another world because yours is too full of people. Well if you have the system already that's not a problem. You don't you don't even have to to move things physically. It's it's a it's an interconnected system that works with the local the local environment and the local star that it's in and it's connected to all these other stars and they they've somehow figured out this network that without moving bodies physical bodies you could transfer consciousness.

We see that in mummies. So if they can do that then a star system in Orion or the Pletes or wherever that where these these things are aligned to essentially has a communication base like a router in in this system you know so you you say like oh how long would it take to do that but we're we're talking about earth time scales. What if that's not even a factor? What if what if they had billions of years of evolution and they just use Earth as a way post or a seedbank or somewhere to store their information so that let's say something does happen on a on a planet in Orion.

They can come back to Earth, retrieve some genetics from corn and go to another planet and plant corn and they can have corn over there. You know, like that that to me seems seems more reasonable than saying, uh, these these things just popped out of nowhere and they're just amazingly sophisticated and they don't have any any connection with anything else. They just popped up and this is this you should believe this story, you know. Not only that, but it's the oldest stuff that we can find.

Yeah. The oldest stuff that we can find is the most perplexing. Well, the Peru Peru example, Jay Anderson, I think you had him on, right? Jay Anderson. Yeah. Yeah. So, he just released uh his his series. I think it's called Ancient Technologies. And he was he went through Alante Tombbo and was showing how how scattered and stuff that stuff was. Like the megalithic blocks are just thrown everywhere. And then the the the low tech stone stacking mortar stuff is right on top of it. Right. All right.

So, if if that story is correct, if that if if the original history of this stuff is correct, uh what we're being told at least, then the the crappier work would have had to survive something that threw a megalithic block off a mountain. If the Inca built all of this, then the crappier work on top is dated to the same they're throwing it into the same date range, right? Yeah. Something that threw a megalithic block off a mountain didn't touch the the crappy brick work that was on top of it.

[snorts and laughter] No, it doesn't make any sense. Well, it also there's also evidence in all these cultures like when particularly Lebanon and all the all these different places that there seems to be this habit that people have of building on top of far older stuff and it exists everywhere and we just we need to assume that that's the case I think because it seems to be the case everywhere. when they find something incredibly complex and ancient, they built on top of that area. And then there's so much evidence of these cultures that find pre-existing structures.

This is the Aztecs. Like, we don't really know who built these Aztec pyramids, which is really weird. I thought my whole life the Aztecs built the Aztec pyramids. Yeah. Duh. Right. And then you find out, oh, no, they don't even say they did it. They called it the place where the gods were born. Yeah. And so that stuff existed at least a thousand years before they were there. And that that just doesn't it doesn't fit with the level of sophistication that this that the the story itself comes with.

the cultures come with this really sophisticated and what seems like encoded language in terms we we say it's like their legends but if you look at even stuff like the Quran or the Bible there's stuff hidden in there numerically and in in the the legends themselves that can be uh extracted from it that were that seem to be intentional that happens all over the ancient world. All of their stuff seems to be like that, which is which is the weirdest thing to me because if you know all of this I if if that theory is correct and they were, you know, terraforming or at least connecting on a like conscious internet level type of a thing, the only way you could really transmit that and they did this is like having a really good legend to orally transmit and that you could, you know, make songs out of and stuff like that.

But once it's down on on uh you know in a language in like Sanskrit or or hieroglyphics or whatever uh once it's down in a language then you have the inability to really look at it objectively because the guy that can read Sanskrit says this means this and you can't read Sanskrit. So you're like obviously this means this. But what doesn't lie is the geometry. And that's what what I'm focusing on mostly is showing that this geometry has a function and we use it every day in our devices.

And if we scale that up, then we're just working with different levels of vibration in terms of, you know, seismic waves going through the earth. And that is the equivalent essentially of what our phones are doing with the electromagnetic spectrum. So their interaction geometrically with the natural, you know, humming of the earth and the natural processes of the earth and also of space. And of space. Yeah. The natural bridge between that is the actual connection. That's what that that is what they say in in the ancient text.

If I if I'm translating it, that's how I read it is they're saying to connect to the earth here, you have to build this temple here. Essentially building putting a processor, our processor on this spot. And to connect to the energy that that processor needs to run, then you have to align it to this star when the sun rises on this day. And to calculate that, you need to know the cardinal directions. And that's why they're all cardially aligned. So, you have these different clues in archoastronomy as well that are kind of validating the the theories.

And what most people would write off is the stuff that I'm I'm like looking directly at like that that the legendary stuff that seems too too crazy to be real. Well, that's probably just the best vocab they had to describe the process. We we we have the ability to use English, which is a very high-tech language. it absorbs all other languages and we have ways of making new words and it evolves over time. Their systems really didn't, you know, so they had this they had one thing like hieroglyphs had usually had like seven meanings per hieroglyph.

So you had to like find which one in context of the hieroglyph it was whereas ours is hyper specific. So our language being used to translate this stuff is inherently going to be muddy because their concepts were much larger. A picture is worth a thousand words. That's what the hieroglyphs were. And now we have to take the hieroglyphs and make it into a thousand words because that's that's our way of understanding it. That's a really good way of putting it that this and we know this is the case where things are lost in translation.

Yeah. It's very complicated when you're just going from Russian to English or, you know, we've seen that in scam letters when people go from foreign languages and they try to talk like pretend like they're speaking English as a native language and they things up. like, "Hey, you're not really from Kansas." Hey, John. That's why I'm actually from Kansas. It completely makes sense. It completely makes sense that especially when you deal with other ancient languages like we know this about ancient uh Hebrew, right? That ancient Hebrew letters doubled as numbers, which is really weird.

Yeah. So, imagine val there was like numerical value in words. That's extra. Check this out. Okay. So like ancient Mayan uh glyphs for example, they are based uh like almost solely on cycles fits directly in with this genetic engineering um like biological engineering framework that they use. Right? The the Egyptian language is more closely related to engineering diagrams than it is uh an actual language. they can be read some of them can be read almost like um like you're looking at a part diagram and there's different views of the part you know and then the the Hindu language is based like flow water type of a it's it eventually evolves into Buddhism right which is basically harmonizing the flow of of your reality so each one of these languages evolves into its its function in this world, right?

So, we kind of have to like we have to look at it from that perspective as well instead of instead of blanketing all of this as this was a ritual or like this was for protection or this was for fertility. Well, yeah, it is. But that has such a huge has a different impact on whatever function that you're using it for. So that's that's their manual essentially is is their um style of how they're communicating this stuff and what it what that looks like in the environment itself.

[snorts] And that's the crazy the crazy thing about the hieroglyphs that this emerged Yeah. out of nowhere. And we don't have like early hieroglyphs. We don't have a ver a crude version of it. There's there's not even a you would think that like you have a starting symbol like X marks a spot or whatever like this means um I'm the king of something and then you just grow that into a vocabulary like most of these emerge having a fully sophisticated vocabulary of concepts that right now we are still trying to understand that's how sophisticated they were they don't make sense to us because it seems like they if we're looking at it from a primitive lens how could they be talking about some quantum some physics here or or optics.

You know, one of the weird things about these kids, these telepathy cape tape kids, is some of them could read hieroglyphs like off the rift like no. Yeah. No education. So, this would this would mean they probably downloaded that information somehow from the hill. From the hill, right? And the and the primordial mound is in every culture. That's the description on it was that like there's a teacher there that teaches it to them. They don't know on the hill. Yeah. They want to know it. There's like a I don't know if it's a guy or a being or what it would be, but yeah, like the the the teacher of hieroglyphs explains it to them.

[snorts] Do they describe the teacher at all? So I [clears throat] the descriptions through telepathy tapes is now you're getting it from a kid that doesn't talk. So it's a very hard translation, but oh man, it's you sort of do. This the question is like is it does it benefit the kid that it can't talk right? It's not communicating. So, it's able to it doesn't have these it's probably doesn't even have the same sense of self that we do. Or is it routing that that like the energy of consciousness in the parts of the brain that would normally light up for the stuff that lights us up?

Is it being rerouted into something else, right? Or are they just not in their own way because they don't speak verbally because right they're not they're they're not attaching anything to it. It just comes to them and they don't have to process through the the filter of culture. Do you know who Matias Dephano is? No. So he's a he says he can remember his past lives. Yeah. I went to Egypt with him and he's Yeah. He uh he I bet that dude's fun at a party.

Oh, dude. No. Like a lot of my work is kind of like trying to decipher what the hell he just said because it makes sense to me. And I got to like put some science to this because I'm like obviously that's right. But he's like he said that the um the main method of communicating in this way was non-verbal. Is their whole society it was basically engulfed in this field of all of this knowledge and all you had to do is really tap into where you what part of the field that you wanted to know this knowledge.

He he calls it a spiderweb. Sometimes he'll do this thing where he's like navigating through this spiderweb thing and there's like nodes of knowledge and these guys could all navigate through this this node of knowledge that was being held in a basically you're inside this this giant supercomput of of and a database that is is this like the concept of the aashic records? Yes. Yeah. That's so same concept, different cultures and different ways of accessing it. And he said that the vibration did something with the water.

It aligned the water in a your structured water in a quantum way to where you could get to the location of this information or experience or memory or whatever. That's why water was so important to humans is because that was the interface layer of the past and the future. And that's how they were able to predict things in the future because they could just go to a different node. And if they went to this node and said, "Okay, the civilization is going to collapse in uh, you know, 100 BC.

But if we do this, then we could survive and everything's still going to, you know, the the cycles are still going to happen. But if you put this temple right here, then people are going to dig it up and then it's going to restart civilization." So this is why they were able to mobilize their people because they all had that shared vision of this thing happening and they could all access it because they were bathed in this field of information that they were building with this this temple network.

One of the weirdest things in all the hieroglyphs is these this Stargate thing. Mhm. Like that that is so strange. Literally means Stargate. So like our tour guide was uh Muhammad Ibrahim. Awesome. And he's kind of the one that that has pushed the the the boundaries of reading this stuff because when you go to Edfu, the building texts of Edfu are um so building texts are on the walls of the temple, right? The building texts of Edfu are actually the first records of Atlantis that we have.

That's not Plato. The the story of of Atlantis is on Edfu and you can see it everywhere. There's there's boats coming in with the with the gods. They're carrying him in. And he walks through the entire outer outer wall of the temple and it'll show you all. And where is this? Edfu. It's in Egypt. Yeah. And so how old is this depiction of Atlantis? [snorts] I I don't know what exactly their date is, but I'm pretty sure if if Solon got it from the It probably lines up exactly.

Is this online? Can we look at that? Go Edfu building text and you'll see all kinds of boats and all the So that's the oldest depiction of Atlantis. Yeah. I I don't know why people attribute it to to Plato. That's the first written description that we have is Plato, but Edfu is the legend of Atlantis. That's Does it have concentric circles? Is the whole the diagram of They don't have that, but it has a lot of the um the the plasma technology stuff that I was talking about.

You know, it has like plasma hieroglyphs everywhere. Yeah. What? No, it has a legitimate I I went to Egypt to try and find this hieroglyph cuz I was like, it's got to be somewhere. You know, it was everywhere, dude. And like every temple I went to. Is this it? That's Dendara. Who's those dudes with the wings? What do they represent? That's weird. So that's your um Yeah. So the CA is the hands up and the ba the ba is the spiritual body and that's the the bird.

So there's three aspects in Egyptian conscious cosmology where it's the my cabba, the light, this spiritual light body. The myrrh means the light, the ba is the body that can fly through it. And then the CA is the your essentially like your human part of it. [snorts] So what do we what are we looking at? Google Edu building text. No, this is I'm in Edu Atlantis, Egypt. Edu. Okay, that one right there. If you click Oh, that's kind of a Edfu building text. Edfu. Yeah. No, yeah, Edfu building text.

Google that building text. Yeah, they're probably not gonna Well, that one that one's a really good one right there. But these are all over the place. The second one to your right. Yep. So this the images of them coming across the ocean to Egypt are all over this. Like if you look right above that little thing that's cut where the picture's cut off, the whole wall is them basically is showing their journey from another land to Egypt. And look how their heads have been removed. Yeah.

It's like they've been defaced. Almost everything there you'll see that has has been scratched. The faces have been knocked off. All of the old c old old old stuff has been knocked off cuz they're like that wasn't him. It was me. It was me, bro. He's just been conquered like 30 times. So yeah, it's strange how they did that. Like just nuked all those guys off the record. him. At that top right there, it'll show the them showing how to like grow plant grow new plants.

It's the the big gods to the right and the little humans to the left. They're showing the humans how to agriculture and stuff. Yeah. Um, Jessie Michaels posted a new podcast with this guy talking about how the pyramids Jeffrey German. Oh yeah. Have you had you heard of Jeffrey? I've heard of him. Yeah. Land of Chem. Oh, dude. His stuff is good. His Go back up, please. It says, uh, new theory suggests the Egyptian pyramids were industrial chemical manufacturing plants intended to produce the products necessary for agriculture and metal working.

The acid residue is still in the walls of the Great Pyramid. Jeffrey Drum L uh land of Chem is an independent researcher who has spent nine years building the case that the pyramids made fertilizer and industrial acids powered by the earth's own electrical charge. And the chemistry backs him up. Samples taken from inside the Great Pyramid of the 1970s found a crust of calcium sulfate up to an inch thick on the walls of the Queen's Chamber. And the calc and calcium sulfate is exactly what dilute sulfuric acid leaves behind when it meets limestone.

A PhD chemist Brian Cohen has independently concluded the Great Pyramid produced sulfuric acid. Each pyramid made a different chemical from methane extracted beneath the step pyramid to hydrochloric acid in the pyramid of Cafrey. The red pyramid made ammonia and the smell is still there, strongest in the deepest chamber and fading towards the entrance. The usual explanation is bats, but Drum says the analysis of the staining on its walls found metal oxides included including thorium and nothing a bat colony leaves behind. Whoa. The whole plateau is wired.

Iron veins run through the bedrock from beneath the pyramid out across Giza and Drum has mapped them. Analysis found precious metals and rare earths along the length along their length. One sample at 35% platinum. The long stone pits beside the Great Pyramid assumed to have held ceremonial boats are in his reading circuit breakers in that network. Okay. So, his his stuff is you got to dive into is really good. His stuff fits exactly with this this model that I'm telling you about. Like the the connection of these nodes and where the chambers are and stuff are tuning into different types of energy, different frequencies essentially.

And the whole basis for this alchemical process I was telling you about with like the that goes into the stone and makes the stones ring and all this stuff that's a tuning mechanism to tune the rocks to do a certain thing. And how they achieve this is through ultrasonic cavitation. It's like sonoluminescence that video I've shown you where flashes. So when it does that you have a release of energy that could be harvested for other things. And then you have a chemical reaction that is very likely used for what he was saying is and that would be the mechanism for terraforming is creating these these elements that are needed to grow.

That's what we fertilize our our plants with is is these basic things. So, so the process is building a geometric interface between the natural energies that are already here and already tuned for this planet and then you have the the non-moving parts mechanism for this whole thing which is the beauty of it all is the cavitation aspect of it and if you if you look at uh so like ankor watt and the step pyramid of dasher they have these really deep wells are the best examples I can come up with for this but these very deep wells would tap into the aquifers that were underneath them.

And so when you tap into a certain frequency, let's say it's uh, you know, in the ultrasonic range, very specific ultrasonic frequency will create a very specific element. And these chambers seem are obviously tuned acoustically. And the the wells below them, they look like they're tuned acoustically as well. So we have this filter. We have a pyramid that's filtering out and then we have a chamber that's isolating a certain frequency and amplifying that certain frequency into the ground. And then when that frequency interacts with the well, the ultrasonic cavitation goes in there, cleans the water because when you have cavitation, you have this this uh basically it boils the water.

It's how you you would heat water. There's a guy that made a uh little device that you could stick in a uh cup and you just pumped it with air and it would boil the water and it was doing the exact same thing. And so you have this method of cleaning the water and creating the elements that you need for for fertilization or industrial processes or anything that we see that they had. And you would distribute that out into your network which is the entire Giza plateau is filled with these giant shafts that look like they held liquid or that they were containers of something.

And then you have the sacred lakes that were the purified water byproduct of what happened on these sites. And that sacred water was used for the humans. So the purified structure water was used for your rituals and your your um conscious activities as the human whereas the the the stuff that Jeffreey's talking about was used for the plant life and to fertilize plants. So you're getting all you need out of this one device and then the bigger the device grows the bigger the the system gets in Egypt or India or America then the bigger populations that you can support.

And we're now seeing that India, Egypt, and America all had populations that were vastly larger than we expected because of this process in my opinion. And so they knew how to work with it. They knew how to use it. And then they basically built it out on scale like what we do with our our devices. And the question is how the hell did they learn that? That's the question. That's the big one. The big one is do we take them seriously? I think we're do we take their legend seriously?

We're more we're we more understand the process of what they were doing than where they got it, which is wild, right? We're getting closer to that than where we got it, right? Like how how how who where how long, right? Why why is the qu like but we were we're assuming that people beyond that period were simply hunter gatherers with stone tools. They they probably were like they probably were concurrent civilization that were doing that like they are right now like they are right now. And then and then you know when they say like you know Nephilim or whoever bred with the humans they probably were probably taking some some of the best stock of them and being like you guys are going to be us now.

And then they they get into this cycle of of conscious you know transfer and then you have civilizations that last for 5,000 years. What the [snorts] And you have Stargates. And then you have Stargates. Yeah. Well, that would make a lot of sense. Like the whole, you know, the the gate phenomenon, the doorways to nowhere phenomenon. You see them in Peru. They're in Saudi Arabia. Like Hegra and Saudi Arabia. You know what that is? I've heard the word. I don't know what it is. J pull up Hegra.

That this stuff. So a a key component of this system is that the information is transferred in the rock itself. Tesla proved that this was possible that you could you could transfer energy and information through through the stone substrate of the earth. Right. So if you can Yeah. If you can do this, you basically all you need to do is create gates in the rock and you can remote view like a hologram any place on Earth. You just go through and then you have this geometric gate that you recognize because it's the geometry that that every culture is using.

And then you basically pop out of a rock in in your spirit form. That's what the Egyptians said, the merkaba could travel through these things. So So then you have the Yeah. You have stuff in the middle of of deserts that And what's the conventional explanation for these things? Tombs. Tombs. Hell of a tomb. Yeah. Must be a dope dude that died. Look at that thing. But you see this this same phenomena. But hold on before we go there. Is this in the middle of nowhere?

Uh it's in the middle of Saudi Arabian desert. Yeah. Go go go go go down to that cat on the bottom that's standing there. Look at him. He's like, "Hey, check it out. This is my home." I wonder what that means to them. I wonder what they think it is. I genuinely I talked to a lot of uh Egyptians when I was in Egypt. I don't think they're very aware of a lot of this stuff. I think they're quite disconnected from So there was something that happened that wiped these people out.

Yeah. And do you think that this aligns with the younger dus impact? I think that these probably are post that post that just because there's they're really they're they're really crispy crispy in terms of lack of erosion. Yeah. [sighs and gasps] Yeah. Like and they're in the middle of nowhere. You'd expect to see a lot of wind water erosion on this thing. Clearly water erosion here. So water there now. Water. Yeah. On the bottom there like it would have like it's dry now like Venice, you know.

They're all elevated like these are docks. Like I'm thinking of Lake Travis when it's empty, you know. And look at the discoloration on the bottom part versus the top part indicates that the top part was exposed and the bottom part was probably underwater. And you see this water line across Wadi Rum and Petra and Saudi Arabia and Egypt. There's like a huge right discrepancy on um you know Sphinx shows it. Sure. It's huge discrepancy and that's like kind of a indicator in my opinion of what things were and where they were in that timeline.

And we're super aware that like especially when it comes to subsaharan Africa when they find these whale skeletons like the the giant ones that are still there. Yeah. Insane. Um so this what do you think that was though? I think those are like the the transit stations. Yeah. I I I genuinely like maybe not for physical bodies. I don't know if that's like I I can't come up with a mechanism that makes that work where you deconstruct your matter. But if you if the the Egyptians could clearly travel with consciousness, they they show that in their their hieroglyphs and the Hindus speak of it as well.

And um so if you could do that I think I feel like those were more of um let's say you go to a deep meditative state you're you're aligned in your temple and you have you know this maybe possibly psychedelics or some other thing amplifying the connectivity in your brain and and giving it abilities that it doesn't normally have to connect with another thing about the psychedelic experience is you feel connected with everything all at once. Right. Right. So if you're if you can enhance that feeling and be connected with your whole environment, then navigating that environment would require merging with it, but then emerging somewhere wi with a pattern you recognize.

And that pattern is why you see the these doorways carved in there because in in the nonphysical conscious state that they talk about, the only thing you really kind of kind of decipher is geometry, right? Well, on psychedelics, you see a lot of, you know, Taurus shapes and fractals and stuff like that. But in this world, if you're tuned in with that and you're traveling kind of consciously through the the the rock substrate, then finding the gateways to exit would be the the goal essentially. And that's why you see these doorways carved in the middle of nowhere in Peru.

And the same thing in Saudi Arabia is, in my opinion, that's how they talk to each other. They're like, "Yo, this is uh this is happening over in in Peru. Send help somehow or another." Well, that's also one of the weirder things about these temples uh particularly some of these temples that exist in India where they have this incredible harmonic frequency inside of them when they're chanting. And you have to think this is by design and what is the purpose of that and is it to achieve a certain state of consciousness and what kind of consciousness can be achieved particularly imagine you're on psychedelics.

So one of the things about psychedelics is um do you know what ikaros are? Have you heard of those? Ikaros are these songs that they sing um when you are under the the spell of DMT and um they do it with uh these iawaska rituals, but I've I've had it done. I've experienced it where you play the songs on DMT and it makes the DMT dance like in this very strange syn it synchronizes with the music the experience instead of being like completely chaotic and random.

It synchronizes like directly and like the the patterns dance with the music. They work together in some very very strange way. Now, you got to imagine that if that's the case, that would also be the case with chanting. That would also be the case with if they had songs, if they had something they could do, there was some some dance they could do with sound while they were inside these incredibly resonant chambers where like the one that I sent you on Instagram, Betsy Caves. Betsy Caves.

Yeah. I'll send this to Jamie because this is crazy. When when you hear how this guy is chanting inside of it and you you hear the sound that it's making while he's doing that, you're like, what? Why would you do that? Like what what is involved in this thing? Like it's a specific frequency, too. Like the it resonates at a fundamental on each one of these things. One of the um I don't know. Let me hear this, Jamie. But this is outside. Uh I'm sending you something.

I just sent it to you. Is it that? Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's it. And this is from what's this gentleman's name? Liam Richards. Liam Richards. Freaking crazy. This is Take a look at this. It is freaking crazy. This is called a chhatya. It's a chanting hole. Its whole purpose is for chanting. It is like nothing I've ever seen. Listen to the acoustics in here. So the Buddhist monks, they would come in here and they would meditate or chant. that would perform meditation in here. Walking around the stupa and chants like it lasts so long.

Can you hear that? It reverberates for like 15 or 20 seconds. And this seems like this is all carved out of stone. Yeah. Not built, but carved out of the stone. You can't you can't make one mistake in it. And and that's the thing with these this stuff too is um these things are tuned all of them. The Egyptian chambers, the Hindu chambers in cathedrals especially, they're all tuned to a specific resonance. And that resonance is what you'll usually find carved into the floral patterns on the wall.

So these resonances were kind of the key to go to these either places of information or possibly even locations like what we were just talking about is like maybe Hegra had a location that looked like a five-ointed star and then maybe the temples in Egypt had one that looked like an eight-ointed star or something like a flower, you know? And so if you know that, if you know the the resting resonance, then that drives your conscious experience like what you're saying on on these in these altered states.

And it's also why psychedelics are so popular in music festivals and stuff like that is because music music drives the experience. That was the second part of like I was always into this stuff. But music when I got into music and making music was the I just kicked everything off because that is the physics mechanism of the interaction with your your neurology. Your vag nerve is directly connected to your ear. So the main nerve of your whole body is connected to your ear. It goes to that before it goes to your brain for processing.

This is for survival. It loud noises generally kept us alive. If if we heard, you know, the the tree snapping and that tiger is behind you and you run that mechanism bypasses the the processing centers of the brain, particularly the amygdala, which is the fear fear-based part of the brain, right? fight fight or flight. And so if you bypass that and you are in a state of you know peace and serenity and protection and maybe a temple environment, maybe a music festival environment, whatever you feel, uh then you can achieve a level of uh abstraction from your physical body.

Meaning you're not paying attention to your sensory inputs as much as your conscious experience. And then once you have that that detached state that is more mobile than your physical body. I mean even on like a DMT experience you feel almost weightless. It it feels like the the you know you're coming out of your your physical self. And if you can direct that using sound and you're in an environment that's connected with everything else then you have your your method of information exchange or at least you know some sort of conscious travel that we can't really understand yet.

Yeah, the music music sound is is like the most vital component to to all of this because we we drive that experience. Sound is the only the only medium that we can actually manipulate other than our our immediate physical surroundings. So like talking to you, you know, the sound travels and we can manipulate the sonic environment of this room just by speaking. That's how they interfaced with the geometric environment of the temple complex. Now the design where this stuff came from that stuff is a completely other like how how they know how to route this stuff and what signals and and frequencies work with what don't know that yet.

But what we do know directly is that that has a huge impact on your experience whether it's in a cathedral or an Egyptian temple or a music festival. All of this stuff is is happening to the brain in a in a realm of feeling instead of thinking. So if you bridge those two then you have nosis. you have the feeling that comes with the thinking in this in this uh environment that is so life-changing that it's the direct download of of information. It reminds me of a Dennis McKenna quote about if you the more you ignite the bonfire of wisdom, the more you illuminate the surface area of ignorance.

I might have butchered that, but essentially the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know. Like the more we learn about this stuff, the more you realize like what are we even talking about? Like this is really crazy. Like I feel like we're doing some sort of archaeology. Like we're like brushing off the dirt and discovering like this is crazy. Whatever it is, like the the undeniable aspects of like that temple. How old is that? Who built that? Why? What was your motivation?

How did you do it? Where are your where are your tools? Why did you do it? Why is it re reach this specific hertz? Why does it reach this specific frequency? Why does it resonate that way? What this is the gateway? I think that what you're saying is the gateway into where we're going. And how the did they figure out how to do it? That that we get lost in how did they move the big stone, which is also an equally perplexing problem. But the why for me is is where it's going to go because that that is substantial in in the sense that you can prove it.

If if we can alter the experience of somebody and um the conscious experience and we can drive that experience in a temple environment or at least an acoustically tuned environment with this uh geometric ratio, maybe a recreation of a Egyptian temple or something like that. If we can we can recreate that experience and prove that something is going on that they're already trying to map the DMT world at like Stanford or something. Add that to the list of experiments. You know, maybe go to a cathedral, rent it out for a day and play with some frequencies in there while a bunch of people are on this, you know, sustained DMT intervenous trip and have them have them see what's going on because that's the only way.

I can't I can't go do that experiment myself. I'm going to get kicked out of the cathedral cuz I'm going to be acting like a lunatic. You know, I need permission. But listen, man, this is a lot to absorb for people. So, I think it's probably good to end it right here. We definitely should do this again cuz it's really fascinating stuff and um I commend you for the amount of time that you spent absorbing all this and your ability to recite it. It's very impressive.

Thank you. Thank you. Nutty man. It's easy to get sucked down into that rabbit hole. That's my dayto-day, dude. Well, that's awesome, man. I'm glad you're doing it. Uh, BassForge us is your Instagram. Um, YouTube. Yeah, same thing. Same thing on YouTube. Um, doing a lot more live stuff this year, too. So, like what are you doing live? Uh, so I'm leaving for CPAC tomorrow, the conference for procession and ancient knowledge that's in Cali and uh I'll be speaking there and then coming back and then I'm going to be playing a music festival called Wakan in Arkansas.

And then after that, I'll be back here for a conference called Quest for Ancients. It's downtown Austin. Um, they'll be speaking and playing there. So, is that the October thing? Yeah, that's October 16th. 15th through the 18th. Okay. Yeah. So, that one's that one's going to be really cool. I'm debuting this brand new project I've been working on for like four years there. So, that's Yeah, basically a synthesis of everything that we've talked about with visuals and music. So, Oh, amazing. Yeah, it's going to be pretty sweet.

Well, dude, thank you very much for being here. I really appreciate it. It was a lot of fun. Yeah. All right. Talk soon. Bye, everybody.