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Hey ladies, if your body fat percentage Hey ladies, if your body fat percentage is at 22% or lower, don't go in a cut. is at 22% or lower, don't go in a cut. is at 22% or lower, don't go in a cut. You're just going to lose muscle. You're You're just going to lose muscle. You're You're just going to lose muscle. You're probably even going to go higher. And probably even going to go higher. And probably even going to go higher. And body fat percentage is a bad idea. Let's body fat percentage is a bad idea. Let's body fat percentage is a bad idea. Let's get into it. get into it. get into it. >> Yeah. Yeah. This is uh I felt close to >> Yeah. Yeah. This is uh I felt close to >> Yeah. Yeah. This is uh I felt close to home. We just got off a call recently. I home. We just got off a call recently. I home. We just got off a call recently. I recently shared what um uh Kren and I recently shared what um uh Kren and I recently shared what um uh Kren and I have done. Uh and it's tough. And I have done. Uh and it's tough. And I have done. Uh and it's tough. And I think this is at any age. I think this think this is at any age. I think this think this is at any age. I think this becomes ex extremely important uh becomes ex extremely important uh becomes ex extremely important uh >> over 35 >> over 35 >> over 35 >> over 35 post kids per pmenopausal menop >> over 35 post kids per pmenopausal menop >> over 35 post kids per pmenopausal menop like like like >> this becomes even more it's important no >> this becomes even more it's important no >> this becomes even more it's important no matter what I mean um even in young matter what I mean um even in young matter what I mean um even in young healthy women that haven't had children healthy women that haven't had children healthy women that haven't had children yet under the age of 35 I I've seen this yet under the age of 35 I I've seen this yet under the age of 35 I I've seen this where you're in the you know teens and where you're in the you know teens and where you're in the you know teens and the body just is not responding many the body just is not responding many the body just is not responding many times you see things like um period times you see things like um period times you see things like um period loss, bone density gone down, things loss, bone density gone down, things loss, bone density gone down, things like that. like that. like that. >> Um, and you feel like you're eating >> Um, and you feel like you're eating >> Um, and you feel like you're eating really good, training really hard, and really good, training really hard, and really good, training really hard, and the body is just not showing any the body is just not showing any the body is just not showing any results. results. results. >> No. 20. So, by the way, I want to say >> No. 20. So, by the way, I want to say >> No. 20. So, by the way, I want to say this, too. Uh, especially if you this, too. Uh, especially if you this, too. Uh, especially if you strength train. So, if you have good strength train. So, if you have good strength train. So, if you have good strength, which means you have some strength, which means you have some strength, which means you have some muscle, muscle, muscle, >> 22% >> 22% >> 22% is how most women actually want to look. is how most women actually want to look. is how most women actually want to look. >> This is how most women want to look. Um, >> This is how most women want to look. Um, >> This is how most women want to look. Um, it's a good body fat percentage. It's it's a good body fat percentage. It's it's a good body fat percentage. It's lean. Uh, you're healthy. For a lot of lean. Uh, you're healthy. For a lot of lean. Uh, you're healthy. For a lot of women, for most women, if you start to women, for most women, if you start to women, for most women, if you start to push below this, especially if you push push below this, especially if you push push below this, especially if you push below 20, uh you start to see hormone below 20, uh you start to see hormone below 20, uh you start to see hormone disruption, disruption, disruption, >> muscle loss, you feel worn down, um loss >> muscle loss, you feel worn down, um loss >> muscle loss, you feel worn down, um loss of performance, energy goes down. Now, of performance, energy goes down. Now, of performance, energy goes down. Now, yes, there's those there are and there's yes, there's those there are and there's yes, there's those there are and there's always anomalies that are out there uh always anomalies that are out there uh always anomalies that are out there uh for both men and women, but this is for both men and women, but this is for both men and women, but this is generally true uh for a lot of women. generally true uh for a lot of women. generally true uh for a lot of women. And again, if this is you, if you're And again, if this is you, if you're And again, if this is you, if you're like testing your body fat and you're like testing your body fat and you're like testing your body fat and you're like 21%, 23%, 22%, should I go in a like 21%, 23%, 22%, should I go in a like 21%, 23%, 22%, should I go in a cut? No. In fact, you'd be better off cut? No. In fact, you'd be better off cut? No. In fact, you'd be better off just continuing to try to build lean just continuing to try to build lean just continuing to try to build lean muscle, which often times results in a muscle, which often times results in a muscle, which often times results in a little bit of a body fat percentage drop little bit of a body fat percentage drop little bit of a body fat percentage drop anyway. It's just a much better, anyway. It's just a much better, anyway. It's just a much better, healthier, sustainable approach. The the healthier, sustainable approach. The the healthier, sustainable approach. The the constantly chasing uh the the leanness, constantly chasing uh the the leanness, constantly chasing uh the the leanness, the super leanness. This is also true the super leanness. This is also true the super leanness. This is also true for men. for men. for men. >> It's just more true for women. Women are >> It's just more true for women. Women are >> It's just more true for women. Women are much more sensitive. Their bodies are much more sensitive. Their bodies are much more sensitive. Their bodies are much more sensitive to going to start to much more sensitive to going to start to much more sensitive to going to start to getting too lean with body fat getting too lean with body fat getting too lean with body fat percentage. With guys, it's also true. percentage. With guys, it's also true. percentage. With guys, it's also true. you see guys go below 11% you start to you see guys go below 11% you start to you see guys go below 11% you start to see testosterone drop and a lot of guys see testosterone drop and a lot of guys see testosterone drop and a lot of guys when they do that. Uh for women in my when they do that. Uh for women in my when they do that. Uh for women in my experience it tends to be right around experience it tends to be right around experience it tends to be right around below 22 definitely below 20. below 22 definitely below 20. below 22 definitely below 20. >> Well and since you brought up men uh and >> Well and since you brought up men uh and >> Well and since you brought up men uh and we just talked about this recently with we just talked about this recently with we just talked about this recently with my own personal experience uh how my own personal experience uh how my own personal experience uh how surprised I was by my body fat test surprised I was by my body fat test surprised I was by my body fat test because I didn't feel like um I looked because I didn't feel like um I looked because I didn't feel like um I looked like that. A lot of times when I get a like that. A lot of times when I get a like that. A lot of times when I get a female client that's hovering around the female client that's hovering around the female client that's hovering around the 22% body fat range or so and they're 22% body fat range or so and they're 22% body fat range or so and they're telling me like, "Ah, but I want to look telling me like, "Ah, but I want to look telling me like, "Ah, but I want to look I want more definition muscle." I want more definition muscle." I want more definition muscle." >> Yeah. They're not Exactly. is >> Yeah. They're not Exactly. is >> Yeah. They're not Exactly. is >> they they could they would get the look >> they they could they would get the look >> they they could they would get the look that they want by adding 5 to 8 pounds that they want by adding 5 to 8 pounds that they want by adding 5 to 8 pounds of muscle on their body versus trying to of muscle on their body versus trying to of muscle on their body versus trying to cut their way down to the look. And then cut their way down to the look. And then cut their way down to the look. And then and what's amazing about this is and and and what's amazing about this is and and and what's amazing about this is and and I promise you they'll get you you'll get I promise you they'll get you you'll get I promise you they'll get you you'll get the the look you're looking for, the the the look you're looking for, the the the look you're looking for, the shape, the curve, the smaller waist by shape, the curve, the smaller waist by shape, the curve, the smaller waist by adding the muscle. And that seems adding the muscle. And that seems adding the muscle. And that seems counterintuitive, counterintuitive, counterintuitive, >> but it's true. And it is true for both >> but it's true. And it is true for both >> but it's true. And it is true for both men and women. A lot of times we are are men and women. A lot of times we are are men and women. A lot of times we are are chasing this look. And the better chasing this look. And the better chasing this look. And the better approach is to feed the body more, build approach is to feed the body more, build approach is to feed the body more, build more muscle because even at a higher more muscle because even at a higher more muscle because even at a higher body fat percentage uh with five more or body fat percentage uh with five more or body fat percentage uh with five more or eight more or for men 10 more pounds of eight more or for men 10 more pounds of eight more or for men 10 more pounds of muscle on your body looks radically muscle on your body looks radically muscle on your body looks radically different totally than you just dropping different totally than you just dropping different totally than you just dropping down 2% body fat from where you're down 2% body fat from where you're down 2% body fat from where you're currently where you're currently at. And currently where you're currently at. And currently where you're currently at. And we've seen this time and time again. And we've seen this time and time again. And we've seen this time and time again. And I mean and I've experienced it with I mean and I've experienced it with I mean and I've experienced it with myself many times where I'm surprised. myself many times where I'm surprised. myself many times where I'm surprised. I'm like, "Oh, wow. would have not I'm like, "Oh, wow. would have not I'm like, "Oh, wow. would have not thought I was that body fat percentage thought I was that body fat percentage thought I was that body fat percentage cuz I know what I feel like when I'm a cuz I know what I feel like when I'm a cuz I know what I feel like when I'm a certain percent. And it's like I certain percent. And it's like I certain percent. And it's like I definitely don't feel like the guy that definitely don't feel like the guy that definitely don't feel like the guy that was 19% body fat and started his was 19% body fat and started his was 19% body fat and started his transformation journey 10 or 13 years transformation journey 10 or 13 years transformation journey 10 or 13 years ago or whatever when I did that whole uh ago or whatever when I did that whole uh ago or whatever when I did that whole uh when I documented that u I'm only 1% when I documented that u I'm only 1% when I documented that u I'm only 1% different than that guy but look different than that guy but look different than that guy but look radically different because I have a lot radically different because I have a lot radically different because I have a lot more muscle mass on the body. And I more muscle mass on the body. And I more muscle mass on the body. And I think a lot of women, they get stuck in think a lot of women, they get stuck in think a lot of women, they get stuck in this this percentage where they're at this this percentage where they're at this this percentage where they're at and they want to get leaner. Many times and they want to get leaner. Many times and they want to get leaner. Many times they're eating in the low 2,000 calorie they're eating in the low 2,000 calorie they're eating in the low 2,000 calorie or lower already and they they want to or lower already and they they want to or lower already and they they want to get a leaner looking and get a leaner looking and get a leaner looking and >> they end up losing muscle. >> they end up losing muscle. >> they end up losing muscle. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, just I mean just to kind of >> Yeah. So, just I mean just to kind of >> Yeah. So, just I mean just to kind of paint it differently, let's say uh paint it differently, let's say uh paint it differently, let's say uh there's a woman at 22% body fat and she there's a woman at 22% body fat and she there's a woman at 22% body fat and she says, "I want to go on a cut. I want to says, "I want to go on a cut. I want to says, "I want to go on a cut. I want to drop uh 3% body fat. I want to get down drop uh 3% body fat. I want to get down drop uh 3% body fat. I want to get down to 19% body fat." And in that process, to 19% body fat." And in that process, to 19% body fat." And in that process, let's say she loses, I don't know what let's say she loses, I don't know what let's say she loses, I don't know what the numbers are, but let's say she loses the numbers are, but let's say she loses the numbers are, but let's say she loses 7 lbs. Uh, but 2 or 3 lbs is muscle, but 7 lbs. Uh, but 2 or 3 lbs is muscle, but 7 lbs. Uh, but 2 or 3 lbs is muscle, but she lost more body fat than muscle. And she lost more body fat than muscle. And she lost more body fat than muscle. And let's say the percentage actually goes let's say the percentage actually goes let's say the percentage actually goes down. Is she in a better place? And I down. Is she in a better place? And I down. Is she in a better place? And I would argue no, she's not. That loss of would argue no, she's not. That loss of would argue no, she's not. That loss of muscle is is resulted in reduced muscle is is resulted in reduced muscle is is resulted in reduced metabolic rate. So, her metabolism slows metabolic rate. So, her metabolism slows metabolic rate. So, her metabolism slows down a bit. This happens when you cut down a bit. This happens when you cut down a bit. This happens when you cut calories anyway. Even without muscle calories anyway. Even without muscle calories anyway. Even without muscle loss, your metabolism learns learns to loss, your metabolism learns learns to loss, your metabolism learns learns to slow down. But if you lost muscle, slow down. But if you lost muscle, slow down. But if you lost muscle, that's most likely going to happen. that's most likely going to happen. that's most likely going to happen. you'll see some hormone changes. Losing you'll see some hormone changes. Losing you'll see some hormone changes. Losing muscle uh tends to cause uh hormone uh muscle uh tends to cause uh hormone uh muscle uh tends to cause uh hormone uh changes that are not as ideal. Um and changes that are not as ideal. Um and changes that are not as ideal. Um and she does she look better even though she does she look better even though she does she look better even though she's leaner but with less muscle. I she's leaner but with less muscle. I she's leaner but with less muscle. I would argue if we take that same woman would argue if we take that same woman would argue if we take that same woman had her gain 8 pounds even if she gained had her gain 8 pounds even if she gained had her gain 8 pounds even if she gained enough body fat in that 8 lbs to keep enough body fat in that 8 lbs to keep enough body fat in that 8 lbs to keep her body fat percentage the same because her body fat percentage the same because her body fat percentage the same because she would have to. Okay? she would have to. Okay? she would have to. Okay? If you gained 8 pounds of lean muscle at If you gained 8 pounds of lean muscle at If you gained 8 pounds of lean muscle at 22% body fat without gaining any body 22% body fat without gaining any body 22% body fat without gaining any body fat, you would actually get leaner. fat, you would actually get leaner. fat, you would actually get leaner. >> Uh because now you have a a smaller >> Uh because now you have a a smaller >> Uh because now you have a a smaller percentage of your body's body fat. But percentage of your body's body fat. But percentage of your body's body fat. But let's just say she gained muscle and she let's just say she gained muscle and she let's just say she gained muscle and she gained enough fat to stay at 22%. So gained enough fat to stay at 22%. So gained enough fat to stay at 22%. So she's 8 lbs heavier on the scale, she's 8 lbs heavier on the scale, she's 8 lbs heavier on the scale, >> but she's got more muscle and enough >> but she's got more muscle and enough >> but she's got more muscle and enough body fat to has been gained to maintain body fat to has been gained to maintain body fat to has been gained to maintain 22%. She's got a faster metabolism and 22%. She's got a faster metabolism and 22%. She's got a faster metabolism and she looks better. she looks better. she looks better. >> Even though her body fat percentage is >> Even though her body fat percentage is >> Even though her body fat percentage is the same, she looks better. Her arms the same, she looks better. Her arms the same, she looks better. Her arms look leaner. Yeah. look leaner. Yeah. look leaner. Yeah. >> Even though she's at the same scale up >> Even though she's at the same scale up >> Even though she's at the same scale up like eight pounds. like eight pounds. like eight pounds. >> Eight pounds. Yeah. Uh and so she's >> Eight pounds. Yeah. Uh and so she's >> Eight pounds. Yeah. Uh and so she's going to look more sculpted in her going to look more sculpted in her going to look more sculpted in her delts, in her back, her butt, her quads, delts, in her back, her butt, her quads, delts, in her back, her butt, her quads, all the areas that she may have wanted all the areas that she may have wanted all the areas that she may have wanted to increase definition. And yet now to increase definition. And yet now to increase definition. And yet now she's in a place with a higher resting she's in a place with a higher resting she's in a place with a higher resting metabolic rate. So now maintaining 22% metabolic rate. So now maintaining 22% metabolic rate. So now maintaining 22% means she could eat way more. Uh she's means she could eat way more. Uh she's means she could eat way more. Uh she's stronger. Her hormone profile is better. stronger. Her hormone profile is better. stronger. Her hormone profile is better. >> Oh yeah, >> Oh yeah, >> Oh yeah, >> she feels a lot better. energy >> she feels a lot better. energy >> she feels a lot better. energy like even like fertility markers and like even like fertility markers and like even like fertility markers and things like I mean you have to pay things like I mean you have to pay things like I mean you have to pay attention to these things. Your body's attention to these things. Your body's attention to these things. Your body's naturally telling you you know where naturally telling you you know where naturally telling you you know where your healthy zone is and where you're your healthy zone is and where you're your healthy zone is and where you're thriving the most. Even for men like you thriving the most. Even for men like you thriving the most. Even for men like you know if your sex drive like plummets know if your sex drive like plummets know if your sex drive like plummets that's something to pay attention to. that's something to pay attention to. that's something to pay attention to. Almost every time I've worked with uh a Almost every time I've worked with uh a Almost every time I've worked with uh a a male client who's natural, because a male client who's natural, because a male client who's natural, because obviously you could take testosterone, obviously you could take testosterone, obviously you could take testosterone, so this changes things, but a man who's so this changes things, but a man who's so this changes things, but a man who's natural who starts to try to get down to natural who starts to try to get down to natural who starts to try to get down to 10% body fat or a little lower. Okay? 10% body fat or a little lower. Okay? 10% body fat or a little lower. Okay? Like clockwork, they're not as strong, Like clockwork, they're not as strong, Like clockwork, they're not as strong, less energy, and there's a reduction in less energy, and there's a reduction in less energy, and there's a reduction in libido. Okay? Now, 14%, 13%, 15% feel libido. Okay? Now, 14%, 13%, 15% feel libido. Okay? Now, 14%, 13%, 15% feel great. Once we start to get down to, and great. Once we start to get down to, and great. Once we start to get down to, and this is for men, 10%, 9%, okay, you look this is for men, 10%, 9%, okay, you look this is for men, 10%, 9%, okay, you look leaner, but you feel uh way worse. And I leaner, but you feel uh way worse. And I leaner, but you feel uh way worse. And I would argue with that same person, if would argue with that same person, if would argue with that same person, if they just built muscle at 12%, 13%. Uh, they just built muscle at 12%, 13%. Uh, they just built muscle at 12%, 13%. Uh, objectively, um, they would look better. objectively, um, they would look better. objectively, um, they would look better. So, we have to be really careful with So, we have to be really careful with So, we have to be really careful with this like body fat uh, percentage game. this like body fat uh, percentage game. this like body fat uh, percentage game. It's not what you think it is. And I'll It's not what you think it is. And I'll It's not what you think it is. And I'll say this, like, you mentioned fertility. say this, like, you mentioned fertility. say this, like, you mentioned fertility. You know how many female clients I had You know how many female clients I had You know how many female clients I had that were fitness fanatics who worked that were fitness fanatics who worked that were fitness fanatics who worked with me who maintained with me who maintained with me who maintained >> we had to gain body fat? >> we had to gain body fat? >> we had to gain body fat? >> Dude, I had I've had I can think off the >> Dude, I had I've had I can think off the >> Dude, I had I've had I can think off the top of my head three women that I top of my head three women that I top of my head three women that I trained who were athletes. So they were trained who were athletes. So they were trained who were athletes. So they were these were like uh they were they were these were like uh they were they were these were like uh they were they were high level college athletes and then high level college athletes and then high level college athletes and then they hired me a little later. So they're they hired me a little later. So they're they hired me a little later. So they're in their like you know 20s 30s and they in their like you know 20s 30s and they in their like you know 20s 30s and they walked around really lean because they walked around really lean because they walked around really lean because they like to be really lean. So they walked like to be really lean. So they walked like to be really lean. So they walked around 18% or so. Uh, and then they're around 18% or so. Uh, and then they're around 18% or so. Uh, and then they're married and I'm still training them and married and I'm still training them and married and I'm still training them and they're like, "Oh, we're trying to have they're like, "Oh, we're trying to have they're like, "Oh, we're trying to have a baby and it's taking a while and we a baby and it's taking a while and we a baby and it's taking a while and we have the conversation. I'm not a have the conversation. I'm not a have the conversation. I'm not a fertility expert, but it would pop up fertility expert, but it would pop up fertility expert, but it would pop up and I'd say, if we bumped your calories, and I'd say, if we bumped your calories, and I'd say, if we bumped your calories, you got your body fat percentage up, I you got your body fat percentage up, I you got your body fat percentage up, I bet it would be a lot easier." And all bet it would be a lot easier." And all bet it would be a lot easier." And all three times. three times. three times. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All three times. >> All three times. >> All three times. >> That was the answer. >> That was the answer. >> That was the answer. >> Bump their calories and within two >> Bump their calories and within two >> Bump their calories and within two months, uh, they got pregnant. months, uh, they got pregnant. months, uh, they got pregnant. >> We have to talk about though why, um, >> We have to talk about though why, um, >> We have to talk about though why, um, why this is so hard though mentally. Uh why this is so hard though mentally. Uh why this is so hard though mentally. Uh just because I mean look when Karen and just because I mean look when Karen and just because I mean look when Karen and I are going through this right now and I are going through this right now and I are going through this right now and uh and we we we tested our body fat. I uh and we we we tested our body fat. I uh and we we we tested our body fat. I want to say it's been a month and a want to say it's been a month and a want to say it's been a month and a half. Uh I have to go back and look at half. Uh I have to go back and look at half. Uh I have to go back and look at the exact dates. I don't do you remember the exact dates. I don't do you remember the exact dates. I don't do you remember the dates when I showed you the two the dates when I showed you the two the dates when I showed you the two tests? tests? tests? >> I want to say about a month and like 45 >> I want to say about a month and like 45 >> I want to say about a month and like 45 days maybe. days maybe. days maybe. >> Yeah, about a month about a month and a >> Yeah, about a month about a month and a >> Yeah, about a month about a month and a half or so in between. And uh I take a half or so in between. And uh I take a half or so in between. And uh I take a lot of responsibility for [ __ ] up as lot of responsibility for [ __ ] up as lot of responsibility for [ __ ] up as a coach here. Um I shouldn't have had a coach here. Um I shouldn't have had a coach here. Um I shouldn't have had her test that soon. I got so excited. her test that soon. I got so excited. her test that soon. I got so excited. >> You didn't you didn't mess up with what >> You didn't you didn't mess up with what >> You didn't you didn't mess up with what your strategy. your strategy. your strategy. >> No, no, no. The frequency of testing. >> No, no, no. The frequency of testing. >> No, no, no. The frequency of testing. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I and I'll tell the >> Yeah. Yeah. And I and I'll tell the >> Yeah. Yeah. And I and I'll tell the audience what happened and why. So, we audience what happened and why. So, we audience what happened and why. So, we we started our first test was at like 17 we started our first test was at like 17 we started our first test was at like 17 point something% body fat. I I can pull point something% body fat. I I can pull point something% body fat. I I can pull up the numbers to get exact, but like I up the numbers to get exact, but like I up the numbers to get exact, but like I have all we have all the data. We've have all we have all the data. We've have all we have all the data. We've tracked everything. tracked everything. tracked everything. >> So, it's like around it was around 17% >> So, it's like around it was around 17% >> So, it's like around it was around 17% body fat or so. We were hovering around body fat or so. We were hovering around body fat or so. We were hovering around 1,900 to 2100 calories. And she stays 1,900 to 2100 calories. And she stays 1,900 to 2100 calories. And she stays lean like that year round. She and and lean like that year round. She and and lean like that year round. She and and she really wants to build muscle. The she really wants to build muscle. The she really wants to build muscle. The feedback from her shows when she's got feedback from her shows when she's got feedback from her shows when she's got on the judges are like she needs more on the judges are like she needs more on the judges are like she needs more mass, she needs more size. And so this mass, she needs more size. And so this mass, she needs more size. And so this is this is why she she came to me to is this is why she she came to me to is this is why she she came to me to help her through this process. Now what help her through this process. Now what help her through this process. Now what I know is what we're talking about right I know is what we're talking about right I know is what we're talking about right now. I know that from all my experience now. I know that from all my experience now. I know that from all my experience that a a woman's body when it's in the that a a woman's body when it's in the that a a woman's body when it's in the teen teens, especially like 17, uh it teen teens, especially like 17, uh it teen teens, especially like 17, uh it doesn't respond very well to both doesn't respond very well to both doesn't respond very well to both burning body fat and building muscle uh burning body fat and building muscle uh burning body fat and building muscle uh in that low. It's kind of in survival in that low. It's kind of in survival in that low. It's kind of in survival mode. And if we want to lean out and get mode. And if we want to lean out and get mode. And if we want to lean out and get more shredded or in her case, build a more shredded or in her case, build a more shredded or in her case, build a bunch of muscle already, the body fat bunch of muscle already, the body fat bunch of muscle already, the body fat percentage has got to come up. percentage has got to come up. percentage has got to come up. >> That's right. And so I knew this >> That's right. And so I knew this >> That's right. And so I knew this inevitably that we were going to come up inevitably that we were going to come up inevitably that we were going to come up a little bit on body fat percentage. My a little bit on body fat percentage. My a little bit on body fat percentage. My hope was to show her in that short hope was to show her in that short hope was to show her in that short period of time that we also would have period of time that we also would have period of time that we also would have built some muscle, but that didn't built some muscle, but that didn't built some muscle, but that didn't happen. happen. happen. >> A month and a half goes by, we're >> A month and a half goes by, we're >> A month and a half goes by, we're increasing calories and all that increasing calories and all that increasing calories and all that happened in that and I mean she's dialed happened in that and I mean she's dialed happened in that and I mean she's dialed right. We to the calorie we know exactly right. We to the calorie we know exactly right. We to the calorie we know exactly what we're consuming. Um what we're consuming. Um what we're consuming. 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Plus dramatically reduce volume. dramatically reduce volume. dramatically reduce volume. >> So, I way less exercise. >> So, I way less exercise. >> So, I way less exercise. >> I I reduced her volume probably in half. >> I I reduced her volume probably in half. >> I I reduced her volume probably in half. I have to ask her to get specifics like I have to ask her to get specifics like I have to ask her to get specifics like on what she would say is the the total on what she would say is the the total on what she would say is the the total volume I've cut out. But I've cut out volume I've cut out. But I've cut out volume I've cut out. But I've cut out probably half of the volume that she was probably half of the volume that she was probably half of the volume that she was doing. Uh I minimize her steps. I said I doing. Uh I minimize her steps. I said I doing. Uh I minimize her steps. I said I don't want so I've reduced a lot of don't want so I've reduced a lot of don't want so I've reduced a lot of that. All of this intentional cuz I knew that. All of this intentional cuz I knew that. All of this intentional cuz I knew I wanted to increase body fat percentage I wanted to increase body fat percentage I wanted to increase body fat percentage but I was hoping I also would build some but I was hoping I also would build some but I was hoping I also would build some muscle on that and she looks so good to muscle on that and she looks so good to muscle on that and she looks so good to me right now and we're hitting PRs like me right now and we're hitting PRs like me right now and we're hitting PRs like every week. every week. every week. >> She It's funny too cuz she looks way >> She It's funny too cuz she looks way >> She It's funny too cuz she looks way better. better. better. >> Yes. So look looks And that's what it >> Yes. So look looks And that's what it >> Yes. So look looks And that's what it is. Everybody's telling me like dude is. Everybody's telling me like dude is. Everybody's telling me like dude Karen looks so good. I'm like I know I Karen looks so good. I'm like I know I Karen looks so good. I'm like I know I know. I'm so proud of her. She's kicking know. I'm so proud of her. She's kicking know. I'm so proud of her. She's kicking ass right now. And I'm like she's ass right now. And I'm like she's ass right now. And I'm like she's hitting PR today. And so I jumped the hitting PR today. And so I jumped the hitting PR today. And so I jumped the gun of even like knowing better that I gun of even like knowing better that I gun of even like knowing better that I should should have probably stayed a should should have probably stayed a should should have probably stayed a little bit longer. I I wanted to show little bit longer. I I wanted to show little bit longer. I I wanted to show her really quick like look at what we're her really quick like look at what we're her really quick like look at what we're already doing. Let's keep pushing, already doing. Let's keep pushing, already doing. Let's keep pushing, right? Uh and what came back was right? Uh and what came back was right? Uh and what came back was devastating, I know, to her, you know, devastating, I know, to her, you know, devastating, I know, to her, you know, and frustrating to me and frustrating to and frustrating to me and frustrating to and frustrating to me and frustrating to me because I should have known better. I me because I should have known better. I me because I should have known better. I should have waited longer and delayed should have waited longer and delayed should have waited longer and delayed longer. Um I I got antsy and I did that. longer. Um I I got antsy and I did that. longer. Um I I got antsy and I did that. And so imagine her pushing as hard as And so imagine her pushing as hard as And so imagine her pushing as hard as she's been pushing for me, listening to she's been pushing for me, listening to she's been pushing for me, listening to everything I'm telling her to do. And everything I'm telling her to do. And everything I'm telling her to do. And all that happened was literally no all that happened was literally no all that happened was literally no pounds of muscle were built and we only pounds of muscle were built and we only pounds of muscle were built and we only put on body fat. So we've gone up on the put on body fat. So we've gone up on the put on body fat. So we've gone up on the scale like 8 lb scale like 8 lb scale like 8 lb >> and it's been it's all registered. >> and it's been it's all registered. >> and it's been it's all registered. >> Which, by the way, she's still lean. >> Which, by the way, she's still lean. >> Which, by the way, she's still lean. >> Right. Right. We're still at She's at >> Right. Right. We're still at She's at >> Right. Right. We're still at She's at 19%. 19%. 19%. >> She went up. She went up to 19%. >> She went up. She went up to 19%. >> She went up. She went up to 19%. >> Right. We went from 17 to 19% body fat. >> Right. We went from 17 to 19% body fat. >> Right. We went from 17 to 19% body fat. Now I know the average person might be, Now I know the average person might be, Now I know the average person might be, "Oh my god, I wish I would." But you got "Oh my god, I wish I would." But you got "Oh my god, I wish I would." But you got to understand where this is all relative to understand where this is all relative to understand where this is all relative mentally. Yeah. It's all relative to mentally. Yeah. It's all relative to mentally. Yeah. It's all relative to what that has to feel like as far as what that has to feel like as far as what that has to feel like as far as discouraging for a client to go through. discouraging for a client to go through. discouraging for a client to go through. >> And I'm going to add to this, right? So >> And I'm going to add to this, right? So >> And I'm going to add to this, right? So what I think you're on point, bro. I what I think you're on point, bro. I what I think you're on point, bro. I think 100% on point. You jump the gun a think 100% on point. You jump the gun a think 100% on point. You jump the gun a little bit because here's what'll happen little bit because here's what'll happen little bit because here's what'll happen with muscle gain. This is this is what with muscle gain. This is this is what with muscle gain. This is this is what happens with muscle gain predictably. happens with muscle gain predictably. happens with muscle gain predictably. You get, if you're eating right, you're You get, if you're eating right, you're You get, if you're eating right, you're doing good, you know, uh, programming, doing good, you know, uh, programming, doing good, you know, uh, programming, you get stronger, stronger, stronger, you get stronger, stronger, stronger, you get stronger, stronger, stronger, stronger, stronger, stronger muscle. stronger, stronger, stronger muscle. stronger, stronger, stronger muscle. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It's not like stronger muscle, stronger >> It's not like stronger muscle, stronger >> It's not like stronger muscle, stronger muscle. It's like you get stronger for muscle. It's like you get stronger for muscle. It's like you get stronger for And she's hitting PRs. Yeah, And she's hitting PRs. Yeah, And she's hitting PRs. Yeah, >> consistently we can expect over the next >> consistently we can expect over the next >> consistently we can expect over the next 30 days for her to gain muscle. 30 days for her to gain muscle. 30 days for her to gain muscle. >> I mean, we're talking about she's added >> I mean, we're talking about she's added >> I mean, we're talking about she's added what how much has she added to some of what how much has she added to some of what how much has she added to some of her lifts? her lifts? her lifts? >> Oh, yeah. She she's up 25 50 lbs on the >> Oh, yeah. She she's up 25 50 lbs on the >> Oh, yeah. She she's up 25 50 lbs on the big lifts like hip thrust, squatting. big lifts like hip thrust, squatting. big lifts like hip thrust, squatting. Like Like Like >> that's going to turn into muscle. That's >> that's going to turn into muscle. That's >> that's going to turn into muscle. That's just how it works. just how it works. just how it works. >> I would even add this to that that layer >> I would even add this to that that layer >> I would even add this to that that layer that you said. It looks like this. that you said. It looks like this. that you said. It looks like this. Getting healthier, getting healthier, Getting healthier, getting healthier, Getting healthier, getting healthier, getting healthier, getting stronger, getting healthier, getting stronger, getting healthier, getting stronger, getting stronger, getting stronger. Then getting stronger, getting stronger. Then getting stronger, getting stronger. Then comes the muscle and muscle and the comes the muscle and muscle and the comes the muscle and muscle and the muscle. And so that I think that's the muscle. And so that I think that's the muscle. And so that I think that's the part that is that you people have to part that is that you people have to part that is that you people have to understand is that when you're at that understand is that when you're at that understand is that when you're at that lean of a body fat percentage with that lean of a body fat percentage with that lean of a body fat percentage with that low of a calorie, the body is not in a low of a calorie, the body is not in a low of a calorie, the body is not in a healthy place. It may look good to the healthy place. It may look good to the healthy place. It may look good to the average person who's looking out, but average person who's looking out, but average person who's looking out, but it's not in a in a healthy place. And if it's not in a in a healthy place. And if it's not in a in a healthy place. And if the longer it's been in that place, the the longer it's been in that place, the the longer it's been in that place, the less it feels healthy. And so it's not less it feels healthy. And so it's not less it feels healthy. And so it's not even going to be, and this is where I even going to be, and this is where I even going to be, and this is where I screwed up, it's going to be longer than screwed up, it's going to be longer than screwed up, it's going to be longer than just 45 days of being healthy. just 45 days of being healthy. just 45 days of being healthy. >> That's right. and you know feeding >> That's right. and you know feeding >> That's right. and you know feeding properly, reducing the volume to where properly, reducing the volume to where properly, reducing the volume to where it should be. It's finally going like, it should be. It's finally going like, it should be. It's finally going like, "Oh, yeah." And it's like, and it's "Oh, yeah." And it's like, and it's "Oh, yeah." And it's like, and it's giving us some positive feedback like, giving us some positive feedback like, giving us some positive feedback like, "Here you go. You're getting a little "Here you go. You're getting a little "Here you go. You're getting a little bit stronger. You're starting to get a bit stronger. You're starting to get a bit stronger. You're starting to get a little bit stronger." But it's not little bit stronger." But it's not little bit stronger." But it's not giving us so much positive feedback that giving us so much positive feedback that giving us so much positive feedback that we see this awesome change on the scale we see this awesome change on the scale we see this awesome change on the scale of all muscle. of all muscle. of all muscle. >> So, the question, just not to get too >> So, the question, just not to get too >> So, the question, just not to get too deep in the weeds, the question is, how deep in the weeds, the question is, how deep in the weeds, the question is, how could she gain so much strength without could she gain so much strength without could she gain so much strength without it registering as muscle gain? Well, it registering as muscle gain? Well, it registering as muscle gain? Well, first off, uh, if you're too lean, first off, uh, if you're too lean, first off, uh, if you're too lean, you're not going to have good neural you're not going to have good neural you're not going to have good neural drive uh, and good uh, contraction. drive uh, and good uh, contraction. drive uh, and good uh, contraction. You're just You're just You're just recovery. So, that's number one. So, recovery. So, that's number one. So, recovery. So, that's number one. So, what she's noticed are central nervous what she's noticed are central nervous what she's noticed are central nervous system adaptations, more energy, more system adaptations, more energy, more system adaptations, more energy, more fuel, uh reduced volume, which is fuel, uh reduced volume, which is fuel, uh reduced volume, which is allowing her to get those strength allowing her to get those strength allowing her to get those strength gains. So, that's where that comes from gains. So, that's where that comes from gains. So, that's where that comes from first. Now, as you continue down this first. Now, as you continue down this first. Now, as you continue down this path, the only way her she's going to path, the only way her she's going to path, the only way her she's going to continue to get stronger is if muscle continue to get stronger is if muscle continue to get stronger is if muscle fibers actually grow larger. fibers actually grow larger. fibers actually grow larger. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that's where you see, and this >> And that's where you see, and this >> And that's where you see, and this happen this happens to guys, too. Like, happen this happens to guys, too. Like, happen this happens to guys, too. Like, I'll get stronger, stronger, stronger, I'll get stronger, stronger, stronger, I'll get stronger, stronger, stronger, and then I'll see the and then I'll see the and then I'll see the >> central nervous system, then it goes to >> central nervous system, then it goes to >> central nervous system, then it goes to muscle building. muscle building. muscle building. >> That's right. Now, as far as like just >> That's right. Now, as far as like just >> That's right. Now, as far as like just to use an example of a guy, if I had a to use an example of a guy, if I had a to use an example of a guy, if I had a guy come up to me who religiously kept guy come up to me who religiously kept guy come up to me who religiously kept his body fat at 8%. Okay, that's like a his body fat at 8%. Okay, that's like a his body fat at 8%. Okay, that's like a Karen, like a male Karen, 8%. Karen, like a male Karen, 8%. Karen, like a male Karen, 8%. >> We just had that caller, remember? The >> We just had that caller, remember? The >> We just had that caller, remember? The bodybuilder caller who I talked to. bodybuilder caller who I talked to. bodybuilder caller who I talked to. >> That's right. That's right. So, you got >> That's right. That's right. So, you got >> That's right. That's right. So, you got a guy who comes to me and he's like, a guy who comes to me and he's like, a guy who comes to me and he's like, he's just very religious about keeping he's just very religious about keeping he's just very religious about keeping his body fat at 8%, which is like Kurin his body fat at 8%, which is like Kurin his body fat at 8%, which is like Kurin for her 17%. 8% all the time. He's like, for her 17%. 8% all the time. He's like, for her 17%. 8% all the time. He's like, I want to gain some mass. I want to gain I want to gain some mass. I want to gain I want to gain some mass. I want to gain some muscle. You're going to have to some muscle. You're going to have to some muscle. You're going to have to gain some body fat, bro. It ain't going gain some body fat, bro. It ain't going gain some body fat, bro. It ain't going to happen 8% body fat. Yeah, to happen 8% body fat. Yeah, to happen 8% body fat. Yeah, >> we actually have to gain some body fat >> we actually have to gain some body fat >> we actually have to gain some body fat to get your body to build some muscle. to get your body to build some muscle. to get your body to build some muscle. >> That's just the way it works. And and >> That's just the way it works. And and >> That's just the way it works. And and again, I'm going to speak to people again, I'm going to speak to people again, I'm going to speak to people >> and guys bodies are more resilient to >> and guys bodies are more resilient to >> and guys bodies are more resilient to that. that. that. >> They're they are far more resilient at >> They're they are far more resilient at >> They're they are far more resilient at lean body lean body lean body >> and yet still would have to do that with >> and yet still would have to do that with >> and yet still would have to do that with >> still would have to the same advice we >> still would have to the same advice we >> still would have to the same advice we gave that guy. this guy, this iron man gave that guy. this guy, this iron man gave that guy. this guy, this iron man running bodybuilding dude who's at like running bodybuilding dude who's at like running bodybuilding dude who's at like single digit body fat is wanting to go single digit body fat is wanting to go single digit body fat is wanting to go build and it's like, dude, we're we're build and it's like, dude, we're we're build and it's like, dude, we're we're going to have I'm going to have to put going to have I'm going to have to put going to have I'm going to have to put body fat percentage, increase calories, body fat percentage, increase calories, body fat percentage, increase calories, >> reduce all your training volume. >> reduce all your training volume. >> reduce all your training volume. >> Well, I'll say this, for a guy to >> Well, I'll say this, for a guy to >> Well, I'll say this, for a guy to significantly affect his fertility to significantly affect his fertility to significantly affect his fertility to where he becomes infertile, he has to where he becomes infertile, he has to where he becomes infertile, he has to diet and overtrain for a while. diet and overtrain for a while. diet and overtrain for a while. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> For that to happen, he like for a long >> For that to happen, he like for a long >> For that to happen, he like for a long time. women uh most high school and time. women uh most high school and time. women uh most high school and college female athletes don't have their college female athletes don't have their college female athletes don't have their period. That's how sensitive Yeah. period. That's how sensitive Yeah. period. That's how sensitive Yeah. >> their bodies are to just kind of >> their bodies are to just kind of >> their bodies are to just kind of overproduce and and and and >> and the baby's in you. >> and the baby's in you. >> and the baby's in you. >> That's what makes that's what makes the >> That's what makes that's what makes the >> That's what makes that's what makes the human body so magical and special. The human body so magical and special. The human body so magical and special. The fact that because women have this fact that because women have this fact that because women have this ability to reproduce and we do not, it ability to reproduce and we do not, it ability to reproduce and we do not, it has to be kept at a certain health level has to be kept at a certain health level has to be kept at a certain health level in order to carry the life of another in order to carry the life of another in order to carry the life of another baby. I'm glad you said that because uh baby. I'm glad you said that because uh baby. I'm glad you said that because uh peak peak peak shredded Instagram look is never peak shredded Instagram look is never peak shredded Instagram look is never peak health. health. health. >> No, >> No, >> No, >> peak health is peak fertility. This is >> peak health is peak fertility. This is >> peak health is peak fertility. This is true for both men and women. true for both men and women. true for both men and women. >> For both men and women, this is peak >> For both men and women, this is peak >> For both men and women, this is peak health, peak hormone health, peak all health, peak hormone health, peak all health, peak hormone health, peak all that is is peak fertility is typically that is is peak fertility is typically that is is peak fertility is typically what it looks like. But again, if you're what it looks like. But again, if you're what it looks like. But again, if you're if you're listening and you're like, if you're listening and you're like, if you're listening and you're like, "Oh, I want you're testing your body fat "Oh, I want you're testing your body fat "Oh, I want you're testing your body fat and you're like, I'm at 22%. I'm at and you're like, I'm at 22%. I'm at and you're like, I'm at 22%. I'm at 21%." I want to get leaner. Stop. Don't. 21%." I want to get leaner. Stop. Don't. 21%." I want to get leaner. Stop. Don't. Now, you can dip into 18%, but get right Now, you can dip into 18%, but get right Now, you can dip into 18%, but get right back out. But again, even there, if back out. But again, even there, if back out. But again, even there, if you're at 22% body fat and your you're at 22% body fat and your you're at 22% body fat and your metabolism is roaring, you've been doing metabolism is roaring, you've been doing metabolism is roaring, you've been doing it right. You've you're eating a lot of it right. You've you're eating a lot of it right. You've you're eating a lot of calories. You want to dip into 18% for a calories. You want to dip into 18% for a calories. You want to dip into 18% for a month, okay, fine, but come back right month, okay, fine, but come back right month, okay, fine, but come back right back out. But if you're sitting at 22%, back out. But if you're sitting at 22%, back out. But if you're sitting at 22%, you're eating, you know, 2200 calories, you're eating, you know, 2200 calories, you're eating, you know, 2200 calories, you're working out five days a week, the you're working out five days a week, the you're working out five days a week, the worst thing you could do is try to go on worst thing you could do is try to go on worst thing you could do is try to go on a cut. Yeah. What'll happen is you're a cut. Yeah. What'll happen is you're a cut. Yeah. What'll happen is you're gonna you're gonna feel like crap gonna you're gonna feel like crap gonna you're gonna feel like crap >> and you're going to lose muscle. And >> and you're going to lose muscle. And >> and you're going to lose muscle. And oftentimes what happens, and this is oftentimes what happens, and this is oftentimes what happens, and this is where it gets really frustrating. I've where it gets really frustrating. I've where it gets really frustrating. I've seen this so many times, and it's such a seen this so many times, and it's such a seen this so many times, and it's such a frustrating place to be. They lose frustrating place to be. They lose frustrating place to be. They lose weight on the scale, they beat weight on the scale, they beat weight on the scale, they beat themselves up, they restrict their themselves up, they restrict their themselves up, they restrict their calories, like, "Oh my god, I'm so calories, like, "Oh my god, I'm so calories, like, "Oh my god, I'm so excited." They get a body fat test, excited." They get a body fat test, excited." They get a body fat test, comes back the same. What the hell just comes back the same. What the hell just comes back the same. What the hell just happened? I just did everything I happened? I just did everything I happened? I just did everything I thought. I feel terrible. I'm working thought. I feel terrible. I'm working thought. I feel terrible. I'm working out more. My body fat percentage stayed out more. My body fat percentage stayed out more. My body fat percentage stayed the same. the same. the same. >> How did that happen? Well, you lost you >> How did that happen? Well, you lost you >> How did that happen? Well, you lost you lost muscle. In fact, uh the getting lost muscle. In fact, uh the getting lost muscle. In fact, uh the getting leaner part, ironically, would be to leaner part, ironically, would be to leaner part, ironically, would be to just build muscle. just build muscle. just build muscle. >> That'll make the getting lean leaner. >> That'll make the getting lean leaner. >> That'll make the getting lean leaner. >> No, that's that's just for sure for and >> No, that's that's just for sure for and >> No, that's that's just for sure for and and the hard part is uh the and the hard part is uh the and the hard part is uh the uncomfortable phase, uncomfortable phase, uncomfortable phase, >> right? The the uncomfortable phase of >> right? The the uncomfortable phase of >> right? The the uncomfortable phase of the body getting up to that higher body the body getting up to that higher body the body getting up to that higher body fat percentage to getting in a healthier fat percentage to getting in a healthier fat percentage to getting in a healthier place. the delayed gratification of the place. the delayed gratification of the place. the delayed gratification of the the muscle packing on like you said. the muscle packing on like you said. the muscle packing on like you said. It's like we first get healthy healthy It's like we first get healthy healthy It's like we first get healthy healthy healthy then we get strong strong strong healthy then we get strong strong strong healthy then we get strong strong strong and then comes the muscle muscle muscle. and then comes the muscle muscle muscle. and then comes the muscle muscle muscle. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And and and that's and that's uh >> And and and that's and that's uh >> And and and that's and that's uh different for everybody depending on how different for everybody depending on how different for everybody depending on how like the longer you've kept yourself in like the longer you've kept yourself in like the longer you've kept yourself in that low calorie, low body fat that low calorie, low body fat that low calorie, low body fat percentage, the longer it most likely percentage, the longer it most likely percentage, the longer it most likely takes to get healthy and then to get takes to get healthy and then to get takes to get healthy and then to get strong and then to build muscle. And so, strong and then to build muscle. And so, strong and then to build muscle. And so, and the shorter that you've been in that and the shorter that you've been in that and the shorter that you've been in that time, the more likely it is that you can time, the more likely it is that you can time, the more likely it is that you can rebound pretty quick. This is why uh rebound pretty quick. This is why uh rebound pretty quick. This is why uh even though there's not a large even though there's not a large even though there's not a large percentage of these people, but there is percentage of these people, but there is percentage of these people, but there is a percentage of people that compete that a percentage of people that compete that a percentage of people that compete that are we talked to another lady that had a are we talked to another lady that had a are we talked to another lady that had a very healthy relationship with very healthy relationship with very healthy relationship with competing, right? competing, right? competing, right? >> And you could you could tell by the way >> And you could you could tell by the way >> And you could you could tell by the way she looks, who feels how she was eating she looks, who feels how she was eating she looks, who feels how she was eating like. like. like. >> And so if you for the most time you're >> And so if you for the most time you're >> And so if you for the most time you're in an off season, you eat high calorie in an off season, you eat high calorie in an off season, you eat high calorie and then you get shredded for one show and then you get shredded for one show and then you get shredded for one show and then you go get back back to a and then you go get back back to a and then you go get back back to a higher body fat, you can you can do higher body fat, you can you can do higher body fat, you can you can do that. and and and the body will respond that. and and and the body will respond that. and and and the body will respond relatively quick. But if you've been in relatively quick. But if you've been in relatively quick. But if you've been in this like perpetual cycle of very low this like perpetual cycle of very low this like perpetual cycle of very low calorie, trying to always push to a calorie, trying to always push to a calorie, trying to always push to a lower body fat percentage, the body is lower body fat percentage, the body is lower body fat percentage, the body is just resisting. just resisting. just resisting. >> It's just it's crazy to me how much uh >> It's just it's crazy to me how much uh >> It's just it's crazy to me how much uh and media has always done this. It's and media has always done this. It's and media has always done this. It's done this for a long time. Now with done this for a long time. Now with done this for a long time. Now with social media, we've like normalized social media, we've like normalized social media, we've like normalized uh these like really unhealthy um you uh these like really unhealthy um you uh these like really unhealthy um you know, ideals. know, ideals. know, ideals. >> It's always been that way though. It >> It's always been that way though. It >> It's always been that way though. It has. It's always been that But what I has. It's always been that But what I has. It's always been that But what I mean by that is social media is so in mean by that is social media is so in mean by that is social media is so in your face all the time that you we're your face all the time that you we're your face all the time that you we're bombarded by it. bombarded by it. bombarded by it. >> Totally. Totally. >> Totally. Totally. >> Totally. Totally. >> And it's so crazy. It's like what's the >> And it's so crazy. It's like what's the >> And it's so crazy. It's like what's the ideal? The ideal now is this uh crazy ideal? The ideal now is this uh crazy ideal? The ideal now is this uh crazy unhealthy unhealthy unhealthy >> uh very unattainable. >> uh very unattainable. >> uh very unattainable. >> Well, haven't we done haven't we done >> Well, haven't we done haven't we done >> Well, haven't we done haven't we done studies now too on like uh like uh your studies now too on like uh like uh your studies now too on like uh like uh your likelihood of like your perceived likelihood of like your perceived likelihood of like your perceived happiness based off how how many hours happiness based off how how many hours happiness based off how how many hours you are on social. you are on social. you are on social. >> There's a strong correlation. >> There's a strong correlation. >> There's a strong correlation. >> Yeah, there's a major correlation to >> Yeah, there's a major correlation to >> Yeah, there's a major correlation to that. I mean because it's uh I mean it that. I mean because it's uh I mean it that. I mean because it's uh I mean it what is it? Comparison is the thief of what is it? Comparison is the thief of what is it? Comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah, joy. Yeah, joy. Yeah, >> you can't help but and this this is not >> you can't help but and this this is not >> you can't help but and this this is not just body. It could be success. I mean just body. It could be success. I mean just body. It could be success. I mean that's the other thing. People that are that's the other thing. People that are that's the other thing. People that are striving to do better in their life. If striving to do better in their life. If striving to do better in their life. If you opened up Instagram, it would you you opened up Instagram, it would you you opened up Instagram, it would you would think every 22year-old uh is rich would think every 22year-old uh is rich would think every 22year-old uh is rich and why aren't you? You know what I'm and why aren't you? You know what I'm and why aren't you? You know what I'm saying? Like saying? Like saying? Like >> way stronger. >> way stronger. >> way stronger. >> Yeah. Way Yeah. way stronger, way >> Yeah. Way Yeah. way stronger, way >> Yeah. Way Yeah. way stronger, way richer, way rippier, richer, way rippier, richer, way rippier, >> faster. >> faster. >> faster. >> It's just and and the algorithm is >> It's just and and the algorithm is >> It's just and and the algorithm is designed the more you hover over it and designed the more you hover over it and designed the more you hover over it and look at it, the more you get of it. It's look at it, the more you get of it. It's look at it, the more you get of it. It's just always just always just always >> so then before you know it, you're the >> so then before you know it, you're the >> so then before you know it, you're the only one who's not rich. only one who's not rich. only one who's not rich. >> It's just wild to me because we've all >> It's just wild to me because we've all >> It's just wild to me because we've all we've all worked in gyms uh most of our we've all worked in gyms uh most of our we've all worked in gyms uh most of our lives. lives. lives. >> So you already have a self- selection >> So you already have a self- selection >> So you already have a self- selection bias of like people who work out. bias of like people who work out. bias of like people who work out. >> Do you know how often we see in the abs >> Do you know how often we see in the abs >> Do you know how often we see in the abs in the gym? You don't abs if you listen in the gym? You don't abs if you listen in the gym? You don't abs if you listen long enough. You've heard me tell it's long enough. You've heard me tell it's long enough. You've heard me tell it's been a long time since I told this been a long time since I told this been a long time since I told this story, but I used to do this when I used story, but I used to do this when I used story, but I used to do this when I used to present to people. When I would get to present to people. When I would get to present to people. When I would get somebody who was intimidated by the gym somebody who was intimidated by the gym somebody who was intimidated by the gym and I was sitting down presenting them and I was sitting down presenting them and I was sitting down presenting them the membership and and training and the membership and and training and the membership and and training and stuff like that and ah you know I'm just stuff like that and ah you know I'm just stuff like that and ah you know I'm just I feel really insecure. I would I feel really insecure. I would I feel really insecure. I would literally mid I'd say stand we this literally mid I'd say stand we this literally mid I'd say stand we this stand up and look around. stand up and look around. stand up and look around. >> I want you stand up. >> I want you stand up. >> I want you stand up. >> I want you to find me five intimidating >> I want you to find me five intimidating >> I want you to find me five intimidating bodies that you see out there bodies that you see out there bodies that you see out there >> and a lot of times they would you'd see >> and a lot of times they would you'd see >> and a lot of times they would you'd see this look on their face. They're like oh this look on their face. They're like oh this look on their face. They're like oh wow wow wow >> bunch of normal people. >> bunch of normal people. >> bunch of normal people. >> Everybody looks like me. Say like a like >> Everybody looks like me. Say like a like >> Everybody looks like me. Say like a like a person in here trying to get healthy. a person in here trying to get healthy. a person in here trying to get healthy. I was like, that's most the gym. Most I was like, that's most the gym. Most I was like, that's most the gym. Most the commercial gyms are a bunch of the commercial gyms are a bunch of the commercial gyms are a bunch of average looking people that are average looking people that are average looking people that are struggling their way through and not struggling their way through and not struggling their way through and not doing it the best way. I mean that it doing it the best way. I mean that it doing it the best way. I mean that it just you rarely see a body that is just you rarely see a body that is just you rarely see a body that is jacked and rip. Now there are obviously jacked and rip. Now there are obviously jacked and rip. Now there are obviously anomaly gyms. anomaly gyms. anomaly gyms. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That have attracted >> That have attracted >> That have attracted >> you gravitate to those ones, >> you gravitate to those ones, >> you gravitate to those ones, >> right? But your your general lifetime >> right? But your your general lifetime >> right? But your your general lifetime 24-hour fitness crunch uh insert 24-hour fitness crunch uh insert 24-hour fitness crunch uh insert whatever big commercial. They're whatever big commercial. They're whatever big commercial. They're generally going to be more fitter than generally going to be more fitter than generally going to be more fitter than the average population. But you ain't the average population. But you ain't the average population. But you ain't watching a bunch of watching a bunch of watching a bunch of >> shredded. They're fitter than if you go >> shredded. They're fitter than if you go >> shredded. They're fitter than if you go to Disneyland. You know what I'm saying? to Disneyland. You know what I'm saying? to Disneyland. You know what I'm saying? They're definitely fitter than the They're definitely fitter than the They're definitely fitter than the people that go to Disneyland. people that go to Disneyland. people that go to Disneyland. >> Hey, that'll make you feel good. Feel >> Hey, that'll make you feel good. Feel >> Hey, that'll make you feel good. Feel bad about yourself. Go to Disneyland. bad about yourself. Go to Disneyland. bad about yourself. Go to Disneyland. Disney World. Disney World. Disney World. >> That's where the That's where the >> That's where the That's where the >> That's where the That's where the average person Disney World Disney World average person Disney World Disney World average person Disney World Disney World is the worst. Way worse. is the worst. Way worse. is the worst. Way worse. >> Remember I sent you guys I sent you guys >> Remember I sent you guys I sent you guys >> Remember I sent you guys I sent you guys videos, dude. Traffic jams. Traffic jams videos, dude. Traffic jams. Traffic jams videos, dude. Traffic jams. Traffic jams with scooters. I know. with scooters. I know. with scooters. I know. >> Double and double fisting like a super >> Double and double fisting like a super >> Double and double fisting like a super big gulp looking drink with a nachos big gulp looking drink with a nachos big gulp looking drink with a nachos weather. Yeah. weather. Yeah. weather. Yeah. >> Yeah. It was It was crazy. I remember >> Yeah. It was It was crazy. I remember >> Yeah. It was It was crazy. I remember you guys telling me that I went like uh you guys telling me that I went like uh you guys telling me that I went like uh what 2 years ago. what 2 years ago. what 2 years ago. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I went to was Yeah. 2 years ago I think >> I went to was Yeah. 2 years ago I think >> I went to was Yeah. 2 years ago I think it was. it was. it was. >> It's cuz the south is there so it's a >> It's cuz the south is there so it's a >> It's cuz the south is there so it's a little wor Disneyland's like that too little wor Disneyland's like that too little wor Disneyland's like that too but Disney World was but Disney World was but Disney World was >> No. World is worse. Yeah, I'd never been >> No. World is worse. Yeah, I'd never been >> No. World is worse. Yeah, I'd never been to world until this time. And and it's to world until this time. And and it's to world until this time. And and it's exactly how you described it. It's like exactly how you described it. It's like exactly how you described it. It's like >> I've never seen so many rascal scooters >> I've never seen so many rascal scooters >> I've never seen so many rascal scooters in a in a as seriously in a in a as seriously in a in a as seriously >> like you you you you will go there for >> like you you you you will go there for >> like you you you you will go there for one day and see more Rascal scooters one day and see more Rascal scooters one day and see more Rascal scooters than you will see in a decade of like in than you will see in a decade of like in than you will see in a decade of like in in the real world. Like that's how like in the real world. Like that's how like in the real world. Like that's how like >> centralized that is. It's it's a it's a >> centralized that is. It's it's a it's a >> centralized that is. It's it's a it's a wild thing. And it's because of just wild thing. And it's because of just wild thing. And it's because of just it's obesity, not because they had like it's obesity, not because they had like it's obesity, not because they had like a knee surgery. I mean, I'm sure there's a knee surgery. I mean, I'm sure there's a knee surgery. I mean, I'm sure there's exceptions that there's some people out exceptions that there's some people out exceptions that there's some people out there, but there, but there, but >> no, they're just they're just they can't >> no, they're just they're just they can't >> no, they're just they're just they can't walk. walk. walk. >> It's always interesting to me even in >> It's always interesting to me even in >> It's always interesting to me even in the Midwest like the propensity for the Midwest like the propensity for the Midwest like the propensity for people to be like they're drinking people to be like they're drinking people to be like they're drinking Mountain Dew. They're drinking the most Mountain Dew. They're drinking the most Mountain Dew. They're drinking the most the highest sugar drinks like you know the highest sugar drinks like you know the highest sugar drinks like you know the sweet teas and you know stuff that's the sweet teas and you know stuff that's the sweet teas and you know stuff that's like that's what's popular and it was like that's what's popular and it was like that's what's popular and it was like mindblowing to me. I was like this like mindblowing to me. I was like this like mindblowing to me. I was like this is just street liquid crack you know you is just street liquid crack you know you is just street liquid crack you know you guys are drinking all guys are drinking all guys are drinking all >> you know. You think a lot of that too is >> you know. You think a lot of that too is >> you know. You think a lot of that too is um just because trends tend to start um just because trends tend to start um just because trends tend to start from the outside and come in. I guess from the outside and come in. I guess from the outside and come in. I guess that wouldn't explain Florida very well that wouldn't explain Florida very well that wouldn't explain Florida very well >> cuz I'm like sometimes like it just >> cuz I'm like sometimes like it just >> cuz I'm like sometimes like it just takes a while before that stuff takes a while before that stuff takes a while before that stuff >> it's cultural >> it's cultural >> it's cultural >> stuff gets there. >> stuff gets there. >> stuff gets there. >> It's cultural. There's uh studies on >> It's cultural. There's uh studies on >> It's cultural. There's uh studies on Mexico. This is really interesting. Mexico. This is really interesting. Mexico. This is really interesting. Mexico's obesity rate uh Mexico's obesity rate uh Mexico's obesity rate uh >> after Coca-Cola >> after Coca-Cola >> after Coca-Cola >> exploded after Coca-Cola after >> exploded after Coca-Cola after >> exploded after Coca-Cola after >> they were actually one of the leaner >> they were actually one of the leaner >> they were actually one of the leaner fitter, right? fitter, right? fitter, right? >> They didn't have an issue with obesity >> They didn't have an issue with obesity >> They didn't have an issue with obesity and they they just and they they just and they they just >> was a huge driver of that dude. >> was a huge driver of that dude. >> was a huge driver of that dude. >> Oh yeah. I mean, it's liquid calories >> Oh yeah. I mean, it's liquid calories >> Oh yeah. I mean, it's liquid calories right in your face all day. right in your face all day. right in your face all day. >> Well, it doesn't help they have terrible >> Well, it doesn't help they have terrible >> Well, it doesn't help they have terrible water, too. water, too. water, too. >> So, all a sudden, you insert a different >> So, all a sudden, you insert a different >> So, all a sudden, you insert a different option that's loaded full of sugar and option that's loaded full of sugar and option that's loaded full of sugar and tastes good. tastes good. tastes good. >> Like, it's like, you know what I'm >> Like, it's like, you know what I'm >> Like, it's like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, well, take a chance saying? It's like, well, take a chance saying? It's like, well, take a chance dying or drink soda. dying or drink soda. dying or drink soda. >> We got clean soda for you, dude. That's >> We got clean soda for you, dude. That's >> We got clean soda for you, dude. That's true everywhere. true everywhere. true everywhere. >> Serious, dude. >> Serious, dude. >> Serious, dude. >> I know. It's crazy. Hey, I got to tell >> I know. It's crazy. Hey, I got to tell >> I know. It's crazy. Hey, I got to tell you. So, I got a I got a friend of mine you. So, I got a I got a friend of mine you. So, I got a I got a friend of mine uh who's been using creatine. Uh, so we uh who's been using creatine. Uh, so we uh who's been using creatine. Uh, so we recommend creatine all the time, but recommend creatine all the time, but recommend creatine all the time, but this friend of mine has does a job that this friend of mine has does a job that this friend of mine has does a job that requires um him to lose a lot of sleep requires um him to lose a lot of sleep requires um him to lose a lot of sleep at times. Okay. Because he's got to work at times. Okay. Because he's got to work at times. Okay. Because he's got to work overnight. He's doing, you know, he's overnight. He's doing, you know, he's overnight. He's doing, you know, he's working emergency, that kind of stuff. working emergency, that kind of stuff. working emergency, that kind of stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so he tried he's been doing the >> And so he tried he's been doing the >> And so he tried he's been doing the highdose creatine. highdose creatine. highdose creatine. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To see if it helps with uh his brain >> To see if it helps with uh his brain >> To see if it helps with uh his brain function stuff. And he's like, "Bro, function stuff. And he's like, "Bro, function stuff. And he's like, "Bro, it's crazy." it's crazy." it's crazy." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's crazy. The studies on that is wild. >> It's crazy. The studies on that is wild. >> It's crazy. The studies on that is wild. like any like they can if you are sleepd like any like they can if you are sleepd like any like they can if you are sleepd deprived you can do a test and we can deprived you can do a test and we can deprived you can do a test and we can see that you're sleep deprived. In see that you're sleep deprived. In see that you're sleep deprived. In studies they'll give people 20 grams of studies they'll give people 20 grams of studies they'll give people 20 grams of creatine which is a very high dose and creatine which is a very high dose and creatine which is a very high dose and it almost gets rid of all of the it almost gets rid of all of the it almost gets rid of all of the cognitive uh symptoms of sleep cognitive uh symptoms of sleep cognitive uh symptoms of sleep deprivation. So it's not going to deprivation. So it's not going to deprivation. So it's not going to obviously I don't think you can not obviously I don't think you can not obviously I don't think you can not sleep and eat creatine but that's crazy. sleep and eat creatine but that's crazy. sleep and eat creatine but that's crazy. There's nothing that's ever done that. There's nothing that's ever done that. There's nothing that's ever done that. You give someone meth and it's not going You give someone meth and it's not going You give someone meth and it's not going to completely get rid of some of those to completely get rid of some of those to completely get rid of some of those effects. effects. effects. >> I I wonder at what what the threshold >> I I wonder at what what the threshold >> I I wonder at what what the threshold is. So, you know, I'm I'm like tracking is. So, you know, I'm I'm like tracking is. So, you know, I'm I'm like tracking sleep like crazy right now, which by the sleep like crazy right now, which by the sleep like crazy right now, which by the way, last night scored my highest score way, last night scored my highest score way, last night scored my highest score ever, 87. The I'm on the hunt for 90. ever, 87. The I'm on the hunt for 90. ever, 87. The I'm on the hunt for 90. I've never seen 90 before. I've never seen 90 before. I've never seen 90 before. >> Competitive with sleep. >> Competitive with sleep. >> Competitive with sleep. >> I am very competitive with sleeping. I >> I am very competitive with sleeping. I >> I am very competitive with sleeping. I am becoming competitive with this. I'm am becoming competitive with this. I'm am becoming competitive with this. I'm on it. And I I I have plans to do some on it. And I I I have plans to do some on it. And I I I have plans to do some things soon that I'm going to add to and things soon that I'm going to add to and things soon that I'm going to add to and track and change. And so, I'll I'll I'll track and change. And so, I'll I'll I'll track and change. And so, I'll I'll I'll get back to you. Uh so let's say so I get back to you. Uh so let's say so I get back to you. Uh so let's say so I had I traveled which that definitely had I traveled which that definitely had I traveled which that definitely gave me some some low7s which uh for me gave me some some low7s which uh for me gave me some some low7s which uh for me which is great though because for me now which is great though because for me now which is great though because for me now that's considered low is low7s which is that's considered low is low7s which is that's considered low is low7s which is awesome. That's a huge improvement for awesome. That's a huge improvement for awesome. That's a huge improvement for me. I used to score in the 50s and 60s me. I used to score in the 50s and 60s me. I used to score in the 50s and 60s and all the time. and all the time. and all the time. >> So uh low low7s. So do you think um >> So uh low low7s. So do you think um >> So uh low low7s. So do you think um there's still benefit at that cuz it's there's still benefit at that cuz it's there's still benefit at that cuz it's not that's not like sleep depriv. I'm not that's not like sleep depriv. I'm not that's not like sleep depriv. I'm not like way deprived but I'm not good. not like way deprived but I'm not good. not like way deprived but I'm not good. So what the theory is is that um with So what the theory is is that um with So what the theory is is that um with sleep deprivation or stress you get um sleep deprivation or stress you get um sleep deprivation or stress you get um uh energy energ basically energy uh energy energ basically energy uh energy energ basically energy creation dysfunction or mitochondrial creation dysfunction or mitochondrial creation dysfunction or mitochondrial dysfunction and because ATP is like this dysfunction and because ATP is like this dysfunction and because ATP is like this primary source of energy for basically primary source of energy for basically primary source of energy for basically all your cells. When you use uh creatine all your cells. When you use uh creatine all your cells. When you use uh creatine you have more ATP. We know what this you have more ATP. We know what this you have more ATP. We know what this does for athletic performance. So more does for athletic performance. So more does for athletic performance. So more ATP means you're stronger. Uh that ATP means you're stronger. Uh that ATP means you're stronger. Uh that probably results in more muscle gain. probably results in more muscle gain. probably results in more muscle gain. Creatine, we've known this for a long Creatine, we've known this for a long Creatine, we've known this for a long time. But the brain uses a lot of ATP. time. But the brain uses a lot of ATP. time. But the brain uses a lot of ATP. Uh now you have to take more creatine to Uh now you have to take more creatine to Uh now you have to take more creatine to influence brain metabolism. Higher dose influence brain metabolism. Higher dose influence brain metabolism. Higher dose five grams for muscle probably closer to five grams for muscle probably closer to five grams for muscle probably closer to 15. 15. 15. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh for the brain, but yes, absolutely. >> Uh for the brain, but yes, absolutely. >> Uh for the brain, but yes, absolutely. >> So that's I need I'm trying to get >> So that's I need I'm trying to get >> So that's I need I'm trying to get better about better about better about like okay like today was great. 8 87. So like okay like today was great. 8 87. So like okay like today was great. 8 87. So I feel good. So I'll take my normal dose I feel good. So I'll take my normal dose I feel good. So I'll take my normal dose of creatine. What I haven't been good of creatine. What I haven't been good of creatine. What I haven't been good about and consistent about is about and consistent about is about and consistent about is recognizing like okay there was a day or recognizing like okay there was a day or recognizing like okay there was a day or two there where that was bad. like try two there where that was bad. like try two there where that was bad. like try intentionally make a intentionally make a intentionally make a >> I think because we have some relatively >> I think because we have some relatively >> I think because we have some relatively long studies that show creatine is long studies that show creatine is long studies that show creatine is really safe. It's this really really really safe. It's this really really really safe. It's this really really safe uh compound that we've got lots of safe uh compound that we've got lots of safe uh compound that we've got lots of studies on creatine. I think if you have studies on creatine. I think if you have studies on creatine. I think if you have a job that's demanding uh stress as a a job that's demanding uh stress as a a job that's demanding uh stress as a parent um something that requires you to parent um something that requires you to parent um something that requires you to be sharp I think it would not be a bad be sharp I think it would not be a bad be sharp I think it would not be a bad idea to always be in the higher you know idea to always be in the higher you know idea to always be in the higher you know 10 to 15 grams all the time because of 10 to 15 grams all the time because of 10 to 15 grams all the time because of all the uh the mental load uh you know. all the uh the mental load uh you know. all the uh the mental load uh you know. >> Yeah. So, I should probably what I >> Yeah. So, I should probably what I >> Yeah. So, I should probably what I should do is what you're saying is just should do is what you're saying is just should do is what you're saying is just try and train myself that it's obviously try and train myself that it's obviously try and train myself that it's obviously I have plenty of access to it. I have plenty of access to it. I have plenty of access to it. >> Yeah, he he's using the Keon cuz it's >> Yeah, he he's using the Keon cuz it's >> Yeah, he he's using the Keon cuz it's like the pure powder like pure pure like the pure powder like pure pure like the pure powder like pure pure super well sourced creatine powder super well sourced creatine powder super well sourced creatine powder >> you know uh just you know take a scoop >> you know uh just you know take a scoop >> you know uh just you know take a scoop of it put it in water drop in your face of it put it in water drop in your face of it put it in water drop in your face whatever wash it down whatever wash it down whatever wash it down >> uh a few times a day. >> uh a few times a day. >> uh a few times a day. >> Does Kon have the um I know obviously >> Does Kon have the um I know obviously >> Does Kon have the um I know obviously they have the the powder in the jug. Do they have the the powder in the jug. Do they have the the powder in the jug. Do they do they make individual packets too they do they make individual packets too they do they make individual packets too now? I thought I saw one. now? I thought I saw one. now? I thought I saw one. >> Oh, do they? Let me check it out. >> Oh, do they? Let me check it out. >> Oh, do they? Let me check it out. >> Look, look up look up and see that if if >> Look, look up look up and see that if if >> Look, look up look up and see that if if they do. Um I mean Keon's always I mean they do. Um I mean Keon's always I mean they do. Um I mean Keon's always I mean >> super quality. >> super quality. >> super quality. >> Yeah, it's high quality. >> Yeah, it's high quality. >> Yeah, it's high quality. >> Super super high quality uh stuff. So >> Super super high quality uh stuff. So >> Super super high quality uh stuff. So yeah, it's good. yeah, it's good. yeah, it's good. >> I the reason why I asked that too >> I the reason why I asked that too >> I the reason why I asked that too because I didn't know about the their uh because I didn't know about the their uh because I didn't know about the their uh their other uh EA's done differently and their other uh EA's done differently and their other uh EA's done differently and they they have it in different forms. they they have it in different forms. they they have it in different forms. >> Flavored and stuff. >> Flavored and stuff. >> Flavored and stuff. >> Yeah, flavored. And then also >> Yeah, flavored. And then also >> Yeah, flavored. And then also >> this is just powder. >> this is just powder. >> this is just powder. >> Yeah, they have it in pills. They have >> Yeah, they have it in pills. They have >> Yeah, they have it in pills. They have it in powder. And so I'm wondering if it in powder. And so I'm wondering if it in powder. And so I'm wondering if they have if they have other forms they have if they have other forms they have if they have other forms besides just the the besides just the the besides just the the >> I think they only have the plain No >> I think they only have the plain No >> I think they only have the plain No packets either. packets either. packets either. >> And it's in the bottle. >> And it's in the bottle. >> And it's in the bottle. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, it's just the EAS that come in >> Okay. So, it's just the EAS that come in >> Okay. So, it's just the EAS that come in the pills or the powder. Correct. Okay. the pills or the powder. Correct. Okay. the pills or the powder. Correct. Okay. So, I was wondering if they had So, I was wondering if they had So, I was wondering if they had different options. different options. different options. >> I was uh dude uh Jay Campbell him he he >> I was uh dude uh Jay Campbell him he he >> I was uh dude uh Jay Campbell him he he texts me every once in a while. You texts me every once in a while. You texts me every once in a while. You know, Jay, he's like everything's great. know, Jay, he's like everything's great. know, Jay, he's like everything's great. Got this new thing or whatever. Got this new thing or whatever. Got this new thing or whatever. >> But, bro, that myatin inhibiting peptide >> But, bro, that myatin inhibiting peptide >> But, bro, that myatin inhibiting peptide that they worked on, remember he talked that they worked on, remember he talked that they worked on, remember he talked about this? about this? about this? >> Yeah, they said that. So, they actually >> Yeah, they said that. So, they actually >> Yeah, they said that. So, they actually come out with it. come out with it. come out with it. >> So, it's got way more fistin or fist >> So, it's got way more fistin or fist >> So, it's got way more fistin or fist statin. Look it up, Doug. Let me see if statin. Look it up, Doug. Let me see if statin. Look it up, Doug. Let me see if I'm saying it right. I don't know. I've I'm saying it right. I don't know. I've I'm saying it right. I don't know. I've heard it. heard it. heard it. >> So, this peptide's been around for a >> So, this peptide's been around for a >> So, this peptide's been around for a long time. I just I'm going to talk long time. I just I'm going to talk long time. I just I'm going to talk about it cuz keep your eyes on this about it cuz keep your eyes on this about it cuz keep your eyes on this because I think uh this is because I think uh this is because I think uh this is >> where Dr. Khan was trying to sell. >> where Dr. Khan was trying to sell. >> where Dr. Khan was trying to sell. >> This is going to be probably used by >> This is going to be probably used by >> This is going to be probably used by everyone. everyone. everyone. >> Didn't we inject it? >> Didn't we inject it? >> Didn't we inject it? >> Yeah. In the arm. >> Yeah. In the arm. >> Yeah. In the arm. >> No, the one. Yeah. >> No, the one. Yeah. >> No, the one. Yeah. >> No, he gave us he he said it was his own >> No, he gave us he he said it was his own >> No, he gave us he he said it was his own one time use it, it stays in your body one time use it, it stays in your body one time use it, it stays in your body forever type of deal. forever type of deal. forever type of deal. >> No, not forever. It was like a year or >> No, not forever. It was like a year or >> No, not forever. It was like a year or two. two. two. >> A year or something like that. So, I >> A year or something like that. So, I >> A year or something like that. So, I didn't really notice much from that. didn't really notice much from that. didn't really notice much from that. >> I don't notice I don't notice a lot from >> I don't notice I don't notice a lot from >> I don't notice I don't notice a lot from a lot of a lot of a lot of >> Well, so listen to this. So Jay uh I've >> Well, so listen to this. So Jay uh I've >> Well, so listen to this. So Jay uh I've been talking to him and you know Jay been talking to him and you know Jay been talking to him and you know Jay Joe's like Jay's like he loves hyping Joe's like Jay's like he loves hyping Joe's like Jay's like he loves hyping everything up. everything up. everything up. >> So I'm always like teasing him, right? >> So I'm always like teasing him, right? >> So I'm always like teasing him, right? >> But he's showing me pictures of these >> But he's showing me pictures of these >> But he's showing me pictures of these people before and after himself. He's people before and after himself. He's people before and after himself. He's like, "Bro, this stuff is so festin is like, "Bro, this stuff is so festin is like, "Bro, this stuff is so festin is that is that what it is?" that is that what it is?" that is that what it is?" >> Fostatin is the thing he was talking >> Fostatin is the thing he was talking >> Fostatin is the thing he was talking about. about. about. >> Okay. So fallatin's been around for a >> Okay. So fallatin's been around for a >> Okay. So fallatin's been around for a while. It's a peptide that reduces while. It's a peptide that reduces while. It's a peptide that reduces myostatin inhibi uh um activity. So myostatin inhibi uh um activity. So myostatin inhibi uh um activity. So myostatin is like it's like what puts myostatin is like it's like what puts myostatin is like it's like what puts the brakes on muscle growth. And if you the brakes on muscle growth. And if you the brakes on muscle growth. And if you can effectively block myostatin, which can effectively block myostatin, which can effectively block myostatin, which we don't haven't done, they can do this we don't haven't done, they can do this we don't haven't done, they can do this genetically with animals, you just build genetically with animals, you just build genetically with animals, you just build muscle. It's crazy. So like the the this muscle. It's crazy. So like the the this muscle. It's crazy. So like the the this all this research is going into these all this research is going into these all this research is going into these kind of myostatin inhibiting pathways kind of myostatin inhibiting pathways kind of myostatin inhibiting pathways because of GLP-1 drugs. because of GLP-1 drugs. because of GLP-1 drugs. >> Are they combining them together? >> Are they combining them together? >> Are they combining them together? >> That's what they did in some of these >> That's what they did in some of these >> That's what they did in some of these studies where they'll take people on studies where they'll take people on studies where they'll take people on they've done it with monkeys so far they've done it with monkeys so far they've done it with monkeys so far where they put them on GLP1 then they'll where they put them on GLP1 then they'll where they put them on GLP1 then they'll put them on a myostatin like really put them on a myostatin like really put them on a myostatin like really powerful myostatin inhibiting drug and powerful myostatin inhibiting drug and powerful myostatin inhibiting drug and they don't lose any muscle. In fact, they don't lose any muscle. In fact, they don't lose any muscle. In fact, they actually gain muscle on low. It's they actually gain muscle on low. It's they actually gain muscle on low. It's really weird and wild. So, it's crazy really weird and wild. So, it's crazy really weird and wild. So, it's crazy like where this is going. But anyway, like where this is going. But anyway, like where this is going. But anyway, Jay's guy is a chemist and he figured Jay's guy is a chemist and he figured Jay's guy is a chemist and he figured out how to uh make the false statin long out how to uh make the false statin long out how to uh make the false statin long acting because the problem with false acting because the problem with false acting because the problem with false statin was it was so short acting statin was it was so short acting statin was it was so short acting >> you'd have to literally use it like 10 >> you'd have to literally use it like 10 >> you'd have to literally use it like 10 times a day just to keep it active. times a day just to keep it active. times a day just to keep it active. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Uh there what is that one called? Uh >> Uh there what is that one called? Uh >> Uh there what is that one called? Uh >> statin. >> statin. >> statin. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. His is long acting and he's been >> Yeah. His is long acting and he's been >> Yeah. His is long acting and he's been telling me and showing me pictures and telling me and showing me pictures and telling me and showing me pictures and what people are writing and this is like what people are writing and this is like what people are writing and this is like bro this this is going to take the bro this this is going to take the bro this this is going to take the athletic and bodybuilding world by athletic and bodybuilding world by athletic and bodybuilding world by storm. storm. storm. >> Either this or stuff like this. >> Either this or stuff like this. >> Either this or stuff like this. >> Here's where I think it's it's going to >> Here's where I think it's it's going to >> Here's where I think it's it's going to be a huge mistake for a lot for a lot of be a huge mistake for a lot for a lot of be a huge mistake for a lot for a lot of people. Um, and this is just my personal people. Um, and this is just my personal people. Um, and this is just my personal opinion based off of what I'm been opinion based off of what I'm been opinion based off of what I'm been experimenting with myself and have come experimenting with myself and have come experimenting with myself and have come to realize the hard way is what one of to realize the hard way is what one of to realize the hard way is what one of my greatest strengths I talk about is my greatest strengths I talk about is my greatest strengths I talk about is that I have this ability to switch it on that I have this ability to switch it on that I have this ability to switch it on diet training and like just make real diet training and like just make real diet training and like just make real quick and multiple times now I've quick and multiple times now I've quick and multiple times now I've allowed myself to fall off the wagon allowed myself to fall off the wagon allowed myself to fall off the wagon come back and when I come back on I put come back and when I come back on I put come back and when I come back on I put on 15 to 20 pounds of muscle like that I on 15 to 20 pounds of muscle like that I on 15 to 20 pounds of muscle like that I mean fast. But so then all of a sudden mean fast. But so then all of a sudden mean fast. But so then all of a sudden all these injuries start out. all these injuries start out. all these injuries start out. >> You know what? That's a good question. >> You know what? That's a good question. >> You know what? That's a good question. I'm gonna ask Jay if this would help you I'm gonna ask Jay if this would help you I'm gonna ask Jay if this would help you with that. with that. with that. >> I would think it'd be worse. >> I would think it'd be worse. >> I would think it'd be worse. >> Why that? What's the quality? Cuz wasn't >> Why that? What's the quality? Cuz wasn't >> Why that? What's the quality? Cuz wasn't that like a contention there? that like a contention there? that like a contention there? >> Well, the stud the monkey studies we're >> Well, the stud the monkey studies we're >> Well, the stud the monkey studies we're talking about is not this. They're using talking about is not this. They're using talking about is not this. They're using something so powerful that these monkeys something so powerful that these monkeys something so powerful that these monkeys didn't do anything and they were eating didn't do anything and they were eating didn't do anything and they were eating low calories. low calories. low calories. >> Yeah. But see, that doesn't make any >> Yeah. But see, that doesn't make any >> Yeah. But see, that doesn't make any sense. You know that. Okay. Okay. So, sense. You know that. Okay. Okay. So, sense. You know that. Okay. Okay. So, you get that signal, but like where's you get that signal, but like where's you get that signal, but like where's the stress and what's what's compressing the stress and what's what's compressing the stress and what's what's compressing it into like informing it? it into like informing it? it into like informing it? >> I don't know if it would build muscle >> I don't know if it would build muscle >> I don't know if it would build muscle without strength training. That's a good without strength training. That's a good without strength training. That's a good question. So, his his guys are all question. So, his his guys are all question. So, his his guys are all bodybuilders. They're all guy. They're bodybuilders. They're all guy. They're bodybuilders. They're all guy. They're all dudes. all dudes. all dudes. >> Oh, yeah. That makes sense. They're all >> Oh, yeah. That makes sense. They're all >> Oh, yeah. That makes sense. They're all strength training. So, he's he himself strength training. So, he's he himself strength training. So, he's he himself has gained 8 pounds of lean body mass in has gained 8 pounds of lean body mass in has gained 8 pounds of lean body mass in uh less than a year, which for Jay is a uh less than a year, which for Jay is a uh less than a year, which for Jay is a lot of muscle. He's been strength lot of muscle. He's been strength lot of muscle. He's been strength training for a long time. Sure. just training for a long time. Sure. just training for a long time. Sure. just from using uh So, I'm just saying like from using uh So, I'm just saying like from using uh So, I'm just saying like this is this new frontier this is this new frontier this is this new frontier >> is gonna be wild, dude. >> is gonna be wild, dude. >> is gonna be wild, dude. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it's gonna be it's non hormonal. It's >> it's gonna be it's non hormonal. It's >> it's gonna be it's non hormonal. It's gonna be wild. And I'm gonna ask him gonna be wild. And I'm gonna ask him gonna be wild. And I'm gonna ask him about that with you because I wonder if about that with you because I wonder if about that with you because I wonder if it'll be worse or better. it'll be worse or better. it'll be worse or better. >> Yeah. My first uh >> Yeah. My first uh >> Yeah. My first uh >> instinct >> instinct >> instinct >> is Yeah. that it's worse. Slow down your >> is Yeah. that it's worse. Slow down your >> is Yeah. that it's worse. Slow down your >> I Yeah, I need to in and this is where >> I Yeah, I need to in and this is where >> I Yeah, I need to in and this is where I'm at right now. It's a It's a really I'm at right now. It's a It's a really I'm at right now. It's a It's a really annoying place for me to train. Uh annoying place for me to train. Uh annoying place for me to train. Uh really annoying. really annoying. really annoying. >> Sorry. >> Sorry. >> Sorry. >> Yeah. It's like uh it's to be going to >> Yeah. It's like uh it's to be going to >> Yeah. It's like uh it's to be going to the gym and like lifting and the gym and like lifting and the gym and like lifting and >> your nickname is Mr. Glass. >> your nickname is Mr. Glass. >> your nickname is Mr. Glass. >> Yeah, that is the nickname you've given >> Yeah, that is the nickname you've given >> Yeah, that is the nickname you've given me now. me now. me now. >> That's messed up. It is. I'm sorry, bro. >> That's messed up. It is. I'm sorry, bro. >> That's messed up. It is. I'm sorry, bro. It's really uh help. It's It's But this It's really uh help. It's It's But this It's really uh help. It's It's But this is the only conclusion I've come to is is the only conclusion I've come to is is the only conclusion I've come to is that it has to be something like that. that it has to be something like that. that it has to be something like that. >> It's too rap. It's so rapid and you took >> It's too rap. It's so rapid and you took >> It's too rap. It's so rapid and you took such a long time off from being really such a long time off from being really such a long time off from being really consistent. consistent. consistent. >> Uh gaining 15 pounds of muscle in like, >> Uh gaining 15 pounds of muscle in like, >> Uh gaining 15 pounds of muscle in like, >> you know, two months. >> you know, two months. >> you know, two months. >> Not even 30 days. Not even. Yeah. >> Not even 30 days. Not even. Yeah. >> Not even 30 days. Not even. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm doing it in That's right. You >> Yeah. I'm doing it in That's right. You >> Yeah. I'm doing it in That's right. You tracked it. tracked it. tracked it. >> Oh, yeah. I'm doing I'm doing it in 30 >> Oh, yeah. I'm doing I'm doing it in 30 >> Oh, yeah. I'm doing I'm doing it in 30 days. I did I did 21 The last time I did days. I did I did 21 The last time I did days. I did I did 21 The last time I did crazy tracking and showed everybody. It crazy tracking and showed everybody. It crazy tracking and showed everybody. It was It's It was 20 21 pounds in 30 days. was It's It was 20 21 pounds in 30 days. was It's It was 20 21 pounds in 30 days. >> It's all muscle memory, everybody. >> It's all muscle memory, everybody. >> It's all muscle memory, everybody. Everyone's like, "Oh, it's real." Okay, Everyone's like, "Oh, it's real." Okay, Everyone's like, "Oh, it's real." Okay, buddy. buddy. buddy. >> This was all gaining muscle back. >> This was all gaining muscle back. >> This was all gaining muscle back. >> I'll do I'll do it again for you. It's >> I'll do I'll do it again for you. It's >> I'll do I'll do it again for you. It's like literally brought it back. like literally brought it back. like literally brought it back. >> I It What And how that happens so >> I It What And how that happens so >> I It What And how that happens so quickly back and forth for me is cuz I quickly back and forth for me is cuz I quickly back and forth for me is cuz I I'm also guilty of the other way. Like I'm also guilty of the other way. Like I'm also guilty of the other way. Like when I'm off when I'm off when I'm off >> I I I also don't eat. >> I I I also don't eat. >> I I I also don't eat. >> I don't eat. I'm I like it's easy for me >> I don't eat. I'm I like it's easy for me >> I don't eat. I'm I like it's easy for me to skip the first two meals of the day to skip the first two meals of the day to skip the first two meals of the day and then eat and then so my calories and then eat and then so my calories and then eat and then so my calories dramatic also losing dramatic also losing dramatic also losing >> That's right. Exactly. My calories >> That's right. Exactly. My calories >> That's right. Exactly. My calories dramatically drop. My protein gets cut dramatically drop. My protein gets cut dramatically drop. My protein gets cut in half or more. in half or more. in half or more. >> Um I'm not stimulating it by lifting >> Um I'm not stimulating it by lifting >> Um I'm not stimulating it by lifting consistently. So it just pairs down. I consistently. So it just pairs down. I consistently. So it just pairs down. I lose I I I lose some weight sometimes. lose I I I lose some weight sometimes. lose I I I lose some weight sometimes. Sometimes I gain a little because I'm Sometimes I gain a little because I'm Sometimes I gain a little because I'm drinking eating bad stuff. And so I drinking eating bad stuff. And so I drinking eating bad stuff. And so I don't really change a lot on the scale. don't really change a lot on the scale. don't really change a lot on the scale. But I So I gain body fat. I lose muscle But I So I gain body fat. I lose muscle But I So I gain body fat. I lose muscle rapidly. see maybe about a I don't know rapidly. see maybe about a I don't know rapidly. see maybe about a I don't know 10 pound change on the scale or whatever 10 pound change on the scale or whatever 10 pound change on the scale or whatever like that but definitely I can huge like that but definitely I can huge like that but definitely I can huge different composition change and then I different composition change and then I different composition change and then I turn it on and I go the other opposite turn it on and I go the other opposite turn it on and I go the other opposite I'm like dialed dialed hitting I'm like dialed dialed hitting I'm like dialed dialed hitting everything tracking everything lifting everything tracking everything lifting everything tracking everything lifting progressive overload week over week like progressive overload week over week like progressive overload week over week like I mean and then I just it all comes back I mean and then I just it all comes back I mean and then I just it all comes back and then all a sudden the thing that and then all a sudden the thing that and then all a sudden the thing that happens is I am quote unquote feeling so happens is I am quote unquote feeling so happens is I am quote unquote feeling so good in the gym I I just keep lifting good in the gym I I just keep lifting good in the gym I I just keep lifting more because I can I feel like I can more because I can I feel like I can more because I can I feel like I can totally lift weight and I'm not by the totally lift weight and I'm not by the totally lift weight and I'm not by the way I'm not pushing It's not like I'm way I'm not pushing It's not like I'm way I'm not pushing It's not like I'm going in there and going like trying to going in there and going like trying to going in there and going like trying to hit PRs, hitting singles. It's just that hit PRs, hitting singles. It's just that hit PRs, hitting singles. It's just that every time I come back to squats, I can every time I come back to squats, I can every time I come back to squats, I can add another quarter on add another quarter on add another quarter on >> and then add another quarter on and it's >> and then add another quarter on and it's >> and then add another quarter on and it's just like and then all a sudden I feel just like and then all a sudden I feel just like and then all a sudden I feel pulls, tears, I feel strains pulls, tears, I feel strains pulls, tears, I feel strains >> and it just keeps happening to me. >> and it just keeps happening to me. >> and it just keeps happening to me. >> You got to like settle and do it slowly >> You got to like settle and do it slowly >> You got to like settle and do it slowly and get your body used to. and get your body used to. and get your body used to. >> Yeah. And just do that for a while. And >> Yeah. And just do that for a while. And >> Yeah. And just do that for a while. And that's kind of where I'm at right now. that's kind of where I'm at right now. that's kind of where I'm at right now. I'm like, I'm doing the same weights, I'm like, I'm doing the same weights, I'm like, I'm doing the same weights, >> which is so counterintuitive for me when >> which is so counterintuitive for me when >> which is so counterintuitive for me when it's like when I know I can do more and it's like when I know I can do more and it's like when I know I can do more and but I know I'm like I just need to stay but I know I'm like I just need to stay but I know I'm like I just need to stay here for a while here for a while here for a while >> and really just condition the body and >> and really just condition the body and >> and really just condition the body and the joints. the joints. the joints. >> What a weird problem to have. >> What a weird problem to have. >> What a weird problem to have. >> Weird. >> Weird. >> Weird. >> You know what I mean? >> You know what I mean? >> You know what I mean? >> Weird weird. >> Weird weird. >> Weird weird. >> Stop progressing too fast. Stop it. >> Stop progressing too fast. Stop it. >> Stop progressing too fast. Stop it. >> And but what I know is that it's the >> And but what I know is that it's the >> And but what I know is that it's the same thing that I said has been so same thing that I said has been so same thing that I said has been so awesome about having all this muscle awesome about having all this muscle awesome about having all this muscle memory from getting older. the the the memory from getting older. the the the memory from getting older. the the the downfall of is is what I'm realizing now downfall of is is what I'm realizing now downfall of is is what I'm realizing now is just when it comes back that quick, is just when it comes back that quick, is just when it comes back that quick, it presents other challenges. Totally. it presents other challenges. Totally. it presents other challenges. Totally. >> And it's the and the irony of that is >> And it's the and the irony of that is >> And it's the and the irony of that is just, you know, and I and I understand just, you know, and I and I understand just, you know, and I and I understand too, uh, being on hormone replacement too, uh, being on hormone replacement too, uh, being on hormone replacement therapy, it feeds into that. therapy, it feeds into that. therapy, it feeds into that. >> If I was letting myself be low >> If I was letting myself be low >> If I was letting myself be low testosterone, um, at my levels where testosterone, um, at my levels where testosterone, um, at my levels where now, I wouldn't be able to build that now, I wouldn't be able to build that now, I wouldn't be able to build that back that fast. What allows me to do back that fast. What allows me to do back that fast. What allows me to do that is I've got that is I've got that is I've got >> good high testosterone. >> good high testosterone. >> good high testosterone. >> I've got optimal testosterone levels. >> I've got optimal testosterone levels. >> I've got optimal testosterone levels. And so, you know, the body naturally And so, you know, the body naturally And so, you know, the body naturally would put put rate breaks on that for would put put rate breaks on that for would put put rate breaks on that for me, but uh you know, I keep it at me, but uh you know, I keep it at me, but uh you know, I keep it at optimal levels. optimal levels. optimal levels. >> I didn't even consider that. >> I didn't even consider that. >> I didn't even consider that. >> Oh, yeah. And so it it so it packs it on >> Oh, yeah. And so it it so it packs it on >> Oh, yeah. And so it it so it packs it on where so yeah, it's a blessing and a where so yeah, it's a blessing and a where so yeah, it's a blessing and a curse. curse. curse. >> Yeah. I'm having kind of like an >> Yeah. I'm having kind of like an >> Yeah. I'm having kind of like an entirely different experience right now. entirely different experience right now. entirely different experience right now. It's like, so I have had like this run It's like, so I have had like this run It's like, so I have had like this run of maybe a week of the most high of maybe a week of the most high of maybe a week of the most high intensity, high volume, like work intensity, high volume, like work intensity, high volume, like work capacity, you know, just physically capacity, you know, just physically capacity, you know, just physically exhausting [ __ ] exhausting [ __ ] exhausting [ __ ] >> You're you're digging holes, bro. >> You're you're digging holes, bro. >> You're you're digging holes, bro. >> Yeah. And and I feel the best I felt in >> Yeah. And and I feel the best I felt in >> Yeah. And and I feel the best I felt in a long time. And it's like really like a long time. And it's like really like a long time. And it's like really like mixed emotions about it because it's mixed emotions about it because it's mixed emotions about it because it's like I used to train at a really high like I used to train at a really high like I used to train at a really high intensity all the time and then like intensity all the time and then like intensity all the time and then like really dramatically shifted because of really dramatically shifted because of really dramatically shifted because of you know everything we talk about and it you know everything we talk about and it you know everything we talk about and it made a big huge difference cuz I just made a big huge difference cuz I just made a big huge difference cuz I just trained that way forever and then this trained that way forever and then this trained that way forever and then this stark shift was like my body responded stark shift was like my body responded stark shift was like my body responded and I had all this like crazy progress and I had all this like crazy progress and I had all this like crazy progress to the point where I feel like I've been to the point where I feel like I've been to the point where I feel like I've been too low volume for too long too low volume for too long too low volume for too long >> to now like I'm jumping up high but but >> to now like I'm jumping up high but but >> to now like I'm jumping up high but but I'm I'm going full You know what? Uh I'm I'm going full You know what? Uh I'm I'm going full You know what? Uh full tilt. full tilt. full tilt. >> Yeah, full tilt. I like that. It's >> Yeah, full tilt. I like that. It's >> Yeah, full tilt. I like that. It's better. Um better. Um better. Um full tilt all the way. And I'm just like full tilt all the way. And I'm just like full tilt all the way. And I'm just like I have to taper that now cuz I'm like I have to taper that now cuz I'm like I have to taper that now cuz I'm like cuz I'm I'm like it antsy to now bring cuz I'm I'm like it antsy to now bring cuz I'm I'm like it antsy to now bring that into my training more cuz it's like that into my training more cuz it's like that into my training more cuz it's like I'm still I'm lifting weights, but I'm I'm still I'm lifting weights, but I'm I'm still I'm lifting weights, but I'm also doing all this manual labor work also doing all this manual labor work also doing all this manual labor work and all this kind of stuff. Just trying and all this kind of stuff. Just trying and all this kind of stuff. Just trying to like, you know, be productive, get on to like, you know, be productive, get on to like, you know, be productive, get on top of things. And uh and I and I've top of things. And uh and I and I've top of things. And uh and I and I've getting the best sleep. Granted, I've getting the best sleep. Granted, I've getting the best sleep. Granted, I've been outside and I've been getting a lot been outside and I've been getting a lot been outside and I've been getting a lot of sun, you know, I've been eating a lot of sun, you know, I've been eating a lot of sun, you know, I've been eating a lot more and so you could like factor a lot more and so you could like factor a lot more and so you could like factor a lot of these other things in. of these other things in. of these other things in. >> Plus, we're so sedentary, >> Plus, we're so sedentary, >> Plus, we're so sedentary, >> dude. But yeah, this so that Okay. Yes. >> dude. But yeah, this so that Okay. Yes. >> dude. But yeah, this so that Okay. Yes. So, you want to know something So, you want to know something So, you want to know something interesting since you went this interesting since you went this interesting since you went this direction about last night's sleep direction about last night's sleep direction about last night's sleep score? Part of it that's a little wild score? Part of it that's a little wild score? Part of it that's a little wild to me is like it wasn't my best uh to me is like it wasn't my best uh to me is like it wasn't my best uh turning everything off early, getting to turning everything off early, getting to turning everything off early, getting to bed on my consistent time last night. bed on my consistent time last night. bed on my consistent time last night. You know what I did yesterday was I did You know what I did yesterday was I did You know what I did yesterday was I did an hour in the red light sauna. I did an an hour in the red light sauna. I did an an hour in the red light sauna. I did an hour of cardio and I trained hour of cardio and I trained hour of cardio and I trained >> all all in the day and and I and I just >> all all in the day and and I and I just >> all all in the day and and I and I just slept. We're I think we have become so slept. We're I think we have become so slept. We're I think we have become so sedentary sedentary sedentary >> for so long here. >> for so long here. >> for so long here. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> And if it's been kill me, dude. >> And if it's been kill me, dude. >> And if it's been kill me, dude. >> If we're here from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 >> If we're here from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 >> If we're here from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. p.m. p.m. >> Just for the listeners, >> Just for the listeners, >> Just for the listeners, >> we will get approximately a 15 to 20 >> we will get approximately a 15 to 20 >> we will get approximately a 15 to 20 minute walk. That's it. Yeah, minute walk. That's it. Yeah, minute walk. That's it. Yeah, >> that's it. The rest of it's sitting here >> that's it. The rest of it's sitting here >> that's it. The rest of it's sitting here doing the show in meetings, uh, doing doing the show in meetings, uh, doing doing the show in meetings, uh, doing business stuff. So, that's it from 9 to business stuff. So, that's it from 9 to business stuff. So, that's it from 9 to 5. 5. 5. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Doing 20 minutes of walking. Yeah. >> Doing 20 minutes of walking. Yeah. >> Doing 20 minutes of walking. Yeah. That's way sedentary, bro. That's way sedentary, bro. That's way sedentary, bro. >> It's totally even even the hour hour on >> It's totally even even the hour hour on >> It's totally even even the hour hour on the treadmill and working out still put the treadmill and working out still put the treadmill and working out still put me under a 10,000 step day. me under a 10,000 step day. me under a 10,000 step day. >> It was an appropriate activity day. >> It was an appropriate activity day. >> It was an appropriate activity day. >> Yeah, that's and and then I got this >> Yeah, that's and and then I got this >> Yeah, that's and and then I got this great and then and then also I sit in great and then and then also I sit in great and then and then also I sit in the red light for the red light sauna the red light for the red light sauna the red light for the red light sauna for for an hour. And so I think my body for for an hour. And so I think my body for for an hour. And so I think my body just needed to get exhausted like that. just needed to get exhausted like that. just needed to get exhausted like that. And then I and like I said, I didn't And then I and like I said, I didn't And then I and like I said, I didn't even have my best sleep routine. I'm even have my best sleep routine. I'm even have my best sleep routine. I'm like I look back I actually told I'm like I look back I actually told I'm like I look back I actually told I'm like man I told you I wanted to get to like man I told you I wanted to get to like man I told you I wanted to get to bed early and we ended up staying up bed early and we ended up staying up bed early and we ended up staying up late talking and all stuff like that. late talking and all stuff like that. late talking and all stuff like that. And I'm like but what I so I got an 87 And I'm like but what I so I got an 87 And I'm like but what I so I got an 87 on my score. It's so weird. But the only on my score. It's so weird. But the only on my score. It's so weird. But the only I can draw it back to is like oh I did I can draw it back to is like oh I did I can draw it back to is like oh I did all those things. I'm like man if I all those things. I'm like man if I all those things. I'm like man if I would have also got to bed on time maybe would have also got to bed on time maybe would have also got to bed on time maybe I would have actually hit that elusive I would have actually hit that elusive I would have actually hit that elusive 90 that I've been trying to to to get 90 that I've been trying to to to get 90 that I've been trying to to to get after. But it what it highlighted to me after. But it what it highlighted to me after. But it what it highlighted to me more than anything else is like God more than anything else is like God more than anything else is like God that's how much that's how much that's how much >> I need to get more of that in my life >> I need to get more of that in my life >> I need to get more of that in my life because my body needs to because my body needs to because my body needs to >> Yeah. I need to figure this out how to >> Yeah. I need to figure this out how to >> Yeah. I need to figure this out how to get that in there. get that in there. get that in there. >> Is there somewhere probably in the >> Is there somewhere probably in the >> Is there somewhere probably in the middle though for you? I feel like middle though for you? I feel like middle though for you? I feel like >> I feel like >> I feel like >> I feel like >> I can't sustain this. And I was talking >> I can't sustain this. And I was talking >> I can't sustain this. And I was talking to Courtney about that last night. It to Courtney about that last night. It to Courtney about that last night. It was just like oh my god I could barely was just like oh my god I could barely was just like oh my god I could barely even move my arms. Like I was just like even move my arms. Like I was just like even move my arms. Like I was just like so fried. And but but at the same time I so fried. And but but at the same time I so fried. And but but at the same time I had this weird you know like you get had this weird you know like you get had this weird you know like you get that that kind of rush. It's probably that that kind of rush. It's probably that that kind of rush. It's probably the cortisol jerky feeling, you know, the cortisol jerky feeling, you know, the cortisol jerky feeling, you know, where I was just like, "Oh, I'm like I where I was just like, "Oh, I'm like I where I was just like, "Oh, I'm like I feel really like weirdly good and, you feel really like weirdly good and, you feel really like weirdly good and, you know, energized, but at the same time, know, energized, but at the same time, know, energized, but at the same time, my body was trashed. I can feel it." my body was trashed. I can feel it." my body was trashed. I can feel it." >> Maybe we should have like treadmills >> Maybe we should have like treadmills >> Maybe we should have like treadmills while we podcast or something. Walking. while we podcast or something. Walking. while we podcast or something. Walking. It's so silly to me. I know. I get it. It's so silly to me. I know. I get it. It's so silly to me. I know. I get it. You're moving, but you know, you see You're moving, but you know, you see You're moving, but you know, you see like fitness podcasters and they'll do like fitness podcasters and they'll do like fitness podcasters and they'll do the podcast, but they're on a treadmill the podcast, but they're on a treadmill the podcast, but they're on a treadmill while they're talking. while they're talking. while they're talking. >> It's so Yeah. >> It's so Yeah. >> It's so Yeah. >> But I get it at the same time cuz Yeah. >> But I get it at the same time cuz Yeah. >> But I get it at the same time cuz Yeah. >> I mean, I get it. Well, I think it would >> I mean, I get it. Well, I think it would >> I mean, I get it. Well, I think it would be just you you did this, you know, be just you you did this, you know, be just you you did this, you know, kudos to you starting us on this was kudos to you starting us on this was kudos to you starting us on this was like you were like we need at least like you were like we need at least like you were like we need at least after the pocket get up and do our and after the pocket get up and do our and after the pocket get up and do our and we we we >> and that's minimal. It just helps with >> and that's minimal. It just helps with >> and that's minimal. It just helps with our show. our show. our show. >> Yeah. Well, what what we should do is we >> Yeah. Well, what what we should do is we >> Yeah. Well, what what we should do is we should do it before also now is like we should do it before also now is like we should do it before also now is like we should just agree when we get here should just agree when we get here should just agree when we get here because we kind of have a slow start because we kind of have a slow start because we kind of have a slow start anyways. Do two a day. anyways. Do two a day. anyways. Do two a day. >> Hey, let's Yeah, exactly. Let's go walk >> Hey, let's Yeah, exactly. Let's go walk >> Hey, let's Yeah, exactly. Let's go walk before the first one and then do our our before the first one and then do our our before the first one and then do our our break and do another one and even then break and do another one and even then break and do another one and even then we're still going to be but I mean I we're still going to be but I mean I we're still going to be but I mean I think I think that in itself will create think I think that in itself will create think I think that in itself will create >> will actually increase our productivity. >> will actually increase our productivity. >> will actually increase our productivity. I I I >> I think so too. I I think so too. And so >> I think so too. I I think so too. And so >> I think so too. I I think so too. And so it'd be a good a good habit for and that it'd be a good a good habit for and that it'd be a good a good habit for and that I mean and by the way I'm not advocating I mean and by the way I'm not advocating I mean and by the way I'm not advocating for an hour of sauna, hour of cardio, for an hour of sauna, hour of cardio, for an hour of sauna, hour of cardio, hour of training the average person, but hour of training the average person, but hour of training the average person, but what it really highlighted to me was what it really highlighted to me was what it really highlighted to me was just how to your point how sedentary just how to your point how sedentary just how to your point how sedentary we've been, how much my body needs more we've been, how much my body needs more we've been, how much my body needs more of that, which is not normally the of that, which is not normally the of that, which is not normally the person who listens to this podcast is person who listens to this podcast is person who listens to this podcast is normally a fitness enthusiast type of normally a fitness enthusiast type of normally a fitness enthusiast type of person. person. person. >> So it's not the recipe for the average >> So it's not the recipe for the average >> So it's not the recipe for the average person. I just we are we sit in here for person. I just we are we sit in here for person. I just we are we sit in here for for So for So for So >> yeah, speaking of all that, I just uh >> yeah, speaking of all that, I just uh >> yeah, speaking of all that, I just uh God, you know what's been so rewarding? God, you know what's been so rewarding? God, you know what's been so rewarding? um because you know we've been doing um because you know we've been doing um because you know we've been doing this now for over over 10 years and I this now for over over 10 years and I this now for over over 10 years and I haven't really I haven't personal haven't really I haven't personal haven't really I haven't personal trained uh for most of that time but now trained uh for most of that time but now trained uh for most of that time but now we have trainers and coaches here that we have trainers and coaches here that we have trainers and coaches here that train clients in person and virtually train clients in person and virtually train clients in person and virtually and you know we get to kind of be a part and you know we get to kind of be a part and you know we get to kind of be a part of it here and there and I always tell of it here and there and I always tell of it here and there and I always tell the the trainers I' I get bring me in on the the trainers I' I get bring me in on the the trainers I' I get bring me in on the calls I'd love to talk to people if the calls I'd love to talk to people if the calls I'd love to talk to people if you need help or if the person's a fan you need help or if the person's a fan you need help or if the person's a fan of the show wants to meet like I'd love of the show wants to meet like I'd love of the show wants to meet like I'd love to just get to know these people. Well to just get to know these people. Well to just get to know these people. Well yesterday I was on uh with Will and one yesterday I was on uh with Will and one yesterday I was on uh with Will and one of his clients. I won't say her name of his clients. I won't say her name of his clients. I won't say her name just to protect her privacy, but I've just to protect her privacy, but I've just to protect her privacy, but I've talked to her uh several times now, and talked to her uh several times now, and talked to her uh several times now, and you guys, the improvement that she's you guys, the improvement that she's you guys, the improvement that she's been going through and seeing is I been going through and seeing is I been going through and seeing is I emotional. It it got me emotional. So, emotional. It it got me emotional. So, emotional. It it got me emotional. So, this person working with Will was came this person working with Will was came this person working with Will was came out of an intreatment uh facility for out of an intreatment uh facility for out of an intreatment uh facility for eating disorder. eating disorder. eating disorder. >> So, she started work she I know you're >> So, she started work she I know you're >> So, she started work she I know you're talking talking talking >> her Yeah, her insurance was in the cover >> her Yeah, her insurance was in the cover >> her Yeah, her insurance was in the cover therapist. She couldn't find a good one. therapist. She couldn't find a good one. therapist. She couldn't find a good one. Uh she was a fan of the show. She called Uh she was a fan of the show. She called Uh she was a fan of the show. She called in and wanted to work with one of our in and wanted to work with one of our in and wanted to work with one of our trainers and coaches and we did the trainers and coaches and we did the trainers and coaches and we did the whole like, "Okay, we're not therapists, whole like, "Okay, we're not therapists, whole like, "Okay, we're not therapists, but we can help you with the fitness and but we can help you with the fitness and but we can help you with the fitness and all all that stuff." Anyway, uh I got on all all that stuff." Anyway, uh I got on all all that stuff." Anyway, uh I got on with her and I haven't seen her probably with her and I haven't seen her probably with her and I haven't seen her probably in in in >> it's been maybe 45 days. And just the >> it's been maybe 45 days. And just the >> it's been maybe 45 days. And just the way she looked was so dramatically way she looked was so dramatically way she looked was so dramatically different. She looks so vibrant, different. She looks so vibrant, different. She looks so vibrant, awesome, so healthy. and she's taking awesome, so healthy. and she's taking awesome, so healthy. and she's taking these baby steps uh because she I mean these baby steps uh because she I mean these baby steps uh because she I mean she was just really extreme in one she was just really extreme in one she was just really extreme in one direction. So we're taking these steps direction. So we're taking these steps direction. So we're taking these steps with eating more, exercising less with eating more, exercising less with eating more, exercising less because she's do chronic exerciser like because she's do chronic exerciser like because she's do chronic exerciser like and you know how are you thinking about and you know how are you thinking about and you know how are you thinking about yourself? It's we're having these yourself? It's we're having these yourself? It's we're having these conversations just bro I got on camera I conversations just bro I got on camera I conversations just bro I got on camera I looked at her and I almost like I was looked at her and I almost like I was looked at her and I almost like I was tearing up just to see the difference in tearing up just to see the difference in tearing up just to see the difference in her face her face her face >> and her hair and her health. >> and her hair and her health. >> and her hair and her health. >> Oh man. >> Oh man. >> Oh man. >> Now you got on was she having more >> Now you got on was she having more >> Now you got on was she having more challenges or was she excited about challenges or was she excited about challenges or was she excited about She's pumped. She's pumped. She's pumped. >> Okay, cool. >> Okay, cool. >> Okay, cool. >> She's pumped. She's so pumped. She's so >> She's pumped. She's so pumped. She's so >> She's pumped. She's so pumped. She's so excited. So like, I can't believe I'm excited. So like, I can't believe I'm excited. So like, I can't believe I'm here here here >> and my family's excited and my dog, you >> and my family's excited and my dog, you >> and my family's excited and my dog, you know, my, you know, this is happening know, my, you know, this is happening know, my, you know, this is happening that all this positive stuff. She's that all this positive stuff. She's that all this positive stuff. She's still, we're still processing through, still, we're still processing through, still, we're still processing through, still moving through, still moving through, still moving through, >> but this is the best. I think she told >> but this is the best. I think she told >> but this is the best. I think she told me this is the best she's ever done. And me this is the best she's ever done. And me this is the best she's ever done. And her strengths going up and it's just so her strengths going up and it's just so her strengths going up and it's just so cool. It's just so cool to see that, you cool. It's just so cool to see that, you cool. It's just so cool to see that, you know, know, know, >> super encouraging to see that. >> super encouraging to see that. >> super encouraging to see that. >> Super Will is doing a phenomenal job >> Super Will is doing a phenomenal job >> Super Will is doing a phenomenal job with her. He's a really good coach. It's with her. He's a really good coach. It's with her. He's a really good coach. It's so great. his brother got to sit in cuz so great. his brother got to sit in cuz so great. his brother got to sit in cuz now he's he's working here. now he's he's working here. now he's he's working here. >> It's so wild to see that uh so what's it >> It's so wild to see that uh so what's it >> It's so wild to see that uh so what's it so different for me is most of my career so different for me is most of my career so different for me is most of my career even less than personal training I even less than personal training I even less than personal training I trainers. trainers. trainers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh so that I'm used to having a staff of >> Uh so that I'm used to having a staff of >> Uh so that I'm used to having a staff of 15 to 20 trainers working for me. I've 15 to 20 trainers working for me. I've 15 to 20 trainers working for me. I've had hundreds over the over the decades had hundreds over the over the decades had hundreds over the over the decades that have worked for me. And I've never that have worked for me. And I've never that have worked for me. And I've never seen anything like the team that we seen anything like the team that we seen anything like the team that we have. And it's obviously I didn't have have. And it's obviously I didn't have have. And it's obviously I didn't have this podcast, right? And so a lot of it this podcast, right? And so a lot of it this podcast, right? And so a lot of it it took it would take a a year it took it would take a a year it took it would take a a year >> maybe two years of really really >> maybe two years of really really >> maybe two years of really really developing a trainer before they were developing a trainer before they were developing a trainer before they were like real good trainers. like real good trainers. like real good trainers. >> And these trainers >> And these trainers >> And these trainers >> Yeah. 3 months. >> Yeah. 3 months. >> Yeah. 3 months. >> It's like they jumped 5 10 years of >> It's like they jumped 5 10 years of >> It's like they jumped 5 10 years of experience in a year. experience in a year. experience in a year. >> They just leaprogged to that point. >> They just leaprogged to that point. >> They just leaprogged to that point. >> Like I I'm I listen to them communicate >> Like I I'm I listen to them communicate >> Like I I'm I listen to them communicate to the clients like dude I couldn't to the clients like dude I couldn't to the clients like dude I couldn't communicate to my clients like that till communicate to my clients like that till communicate to my clients like that till like year eight or nine. like year eight or nine. like year eight or nine. >> Stumbling my words is terrible. Yes. And >> Stumbling my words is terrible. Yes. And >> Stumbling my words is terrible. Yes. And so it's so cool so it's so cool so it's so cool >> to see these and and it's not because >> to see these and and it's not because >> to see these and and it's not because they have 8 n years of experience. Some they have 8 n years of experience. Some they have 8 n years of experience. Some of them will have less than a couple of them will have less than a couple of them will have less than a couple years and but it's they all have been years and but it's they all have been years and but it's they all have been podcast. podcast. podcast. >> I came out of that right uh with Will. I >> I came out of that right uh with Will. I >> I came out of that right uh with Will. I come in here um Doug and I are watching come in here um Doug and I are watching come in here um Doug and I are watching something. So I'm here for a bit. I'm something. So I'm here for a bit. I'm something. So I'm here for a bit. I'm doing some work. I had to write some doing some work. I had to write some doing some work. I had to write some emails. emails. emails. >> Then I walk out and all the trainers are >> Then I walk out and all the trainers are >> Then I walk out and all the trainers are sitting in that area and they're sitting in that area and they're sitting in that area and they're reviewing coaching calls. Yeah. for each reviewing coaching calls. Yeah. for each reviewing coaching calls. Yeah. for each other, which is phenomenal. They're other, which is phenomenal. They're other, which is phenomenal. They're literally watching and like, "How could literally watching and like, "How could literally watching and like, "How could you have communicated this better? you have communicated this better? you have communicated this better? >> How can you help with your clients >> How can you help with your clients >> How can you help with your clients consistency? consistency? consistency? Um, do you think this was the right uh Um, do you think this was the right uh Um, do you think this was the right uh you know, the right advice?" And they're you know, the right advice?" And they're you know, the right advice?" And they're just like and they're like, it's like just like and they're like, it's like just like and they're like, it's like that's part of the reason is is is the that's part of the reason is is is the that's part of the reason is is is the way that they're working on it. It's way that they're working on it. It's way that they're working on it. It's amazing. amazing. amazing. >> It's amazing how these guys >> It's amazing how these guys >> It's amazing how these guys >> the Friday meetings are really cool, >> the Friday meetings are really cool, >> the Friday meetings are really cool, too, where uh in fact, Kyle has just too, where uh in fact, Kyle has just too, where uh in fact, Kyle has just evolved it to another layer to it. It's evolved it to another layer to it. It's evolved it to another layer to it. It's similar where all the coaches and similar where all the coaches and similar where all the coaches and trainers half the call is designed to trainers half the call is designed to trainers half the call is designed to client challenges is what we call it. um client challenges is what we call it. um client challenges is what we call it. um where you know what are some of the where you know what are some of the where you know what are some of the challenges you and every trainer that challenges you and every trainer that challenges you and every trainer that has one will start to share oh I've got has one will start to share oh I've got has one will start to share oh I've got a client we're struggling with this this a client we're struggling with this this a client we're struggling with this this and that then you get to hear you know and that then you get to hear you know and that then you get to hear you know 22 other trainers that are are all 22 other trainers that are are all 22 other trainers that are are all brilliant that are hey this has worked brilliant that are hey this has worked brilliant that are hey this has worked for me in the past try this and so for me in the past try this and so for me in the past try this and so they're all all learning together and they're all all learning together and they're all all learning together and then from there now it breaks up into then from there now it breaks up into then from there now it breaks up into these subgroups and so and they're led these subgroups and so and they're led these subgroups and so and they're led by some of our leader trainers that are by some of our leader trainers that are by some of our leader trainers that are leading the other trainers and so leading the other trainers and so leading the other trainers and so educating them and so that's the big educating them and so that's the big educating them and so that's the big focus right now um I shared a thing with focus right now um I shared a thing with focus right now um I shared a thing with Kyle. Uh that was was huge for me when I Kyle. Uh that was was huge for me when I Kyle. Uh that was was huge for me when I was leading trainers. And I and I was leading trainers. And I and I was leading trainers. And I and I remember I was so frustrated that it remember I was so frustrated that it remember I was so frustrated that it came so late in my career because I was came so late in my career because I was came so late in my career because I was like, man, I wish someone would have like, man, I wish someone would have like, man, I wish someone would have told me this sooner, but it was this um told me this sooner, but it was this um told me this sooner, but it was this um was a stat that this was 24 fitness days was a stat that this was 24 fitness days was a stat that this was 24 fitness days that they had put up on the projector at that they had put up on the projector at that they had put up on the projector at one of these big meetings. And it was a one of these big meetings. And it was a one of these big meetings. And it was a a trainer that had one uh certification, a trainer that had one uh certification, a trainer that had one uh certification, two certification, three certification, two certification, three certification, two certification, three certification, four. If you had one certification, you four. If you had one certification, you four. If you had one certification, you averaged this many clients in a month, averaged this many clients in a month, averaged this many clients in a month, you project you did this much revenue you project you did this much revenue you project you did this much revenue and you stayed this long in the company and you stayed this long in the company and you stayed this long in the company and and and that all those line items dramatically that all those line items dramatically that all those line items dramatically increased by every certification that increased by every certification that increased by every certification that the trainer got. The moral of the story the trainer got. The moral of the story the trainer got. The moral of the story was just the more educated they were, was just the more educated they were, was just the more educated they were, >> the more they were, the better. Yeah. >> the more they were, the better. Yeah. >> the more they were, the better. Yeah. The better they were, the longer they The better they were, the longer they The better they were, the longer they stayed, the more sales they did, the stayed, the more sales they did, the stayed, the more sales they did, the more clients they trained. It was just more clients they trained. It was just more clients they trained. It was just like it was a and it was a huge leap. like it was a and it was a huge leap. like it was a and it was a huge leap. And I remember going back to my club And I remember going back to my club And I remember going back to my club that very next day and going like, okay, that very next day and going like, okay, that very next day and going like, okay, at that time I had two trainers that at that time I had two trainers that at that time I had two trainers that were uh going through the medical were uh going through the medical were uh going through the medical program to be doctors, really program to be doctors, really program to be doctors, really intelligent, already had multiple intelligent, already had multiple intelligent, already had multiple certifications. And I started to certifications. And I started to certifications. And I started to allocate uh my budget without getting allocate uh my budget without getting allocate uh my budget without getting approval to do this cuz they would have approval to do this cuz they would have approval to do this cuz they would have said no. I just did it anyways. said no. I just did it anyways. said no. I just did it anyways. >> And I paid those trainers to >> And I paid those trainers to >> And I paid those trainers to >> you were blacklisted. >> you were blacklisted. >> you were blacklisted. >> I paid those trainers to elevate all >> I paid those trainers to elevate all >> I paid those trainers to elevate all their other trainers, get them up on their other trainers, get them up on their other trainers, get them up on their certifications. And so and it was their certifications. And so and it was their certifications. And so and it was that after that was the baddest team. that after that was the baddest team. that after that was the baddest team. Justin was a part of that team. Uh you Justin was a part of that team. Uh you Justin was a part of that team. Uh you know we I had the smallest team. I know we I had the smallest team. I know we I had the smallest team. I dropped down I think 12 trainers we were dropped down I think 12 trainers we were dropped down I think 12 trainers we were running at one time. Broke all kinds of running at one time. Broke all kinds of running at one time. Broke all kinds of records. All master trainers and it was records. All master trainers and it was records. All master trainers and it was the easiest my job ever was. And so a the easiest my job ever was. And so a the easiest my job ever was. And so a big focus right now is uh we're pulling big focus right now is uh we're pulling big focus right now is uh we're pulling in Brink Shallow and then uh one other in Brink Shallow and then uh one other in Brink Shallow and then uh one other one I forgot who who we're working on one I forgot who who we're working on one I forgot who who we're working on that um we're going to pay to take all that um we're going to pay to take all that um we're going to pay to take all of them through and be become masters at of them through and be become masters at of them through and be become masters at all those disciplines all those disciplines all those disciplines >> and so that's going to be great. I know >> and so that's going to be great. I know >> and so that's going to be great. I know to think how badass they already are is to think how badass they already are is to think how badass they already are is bringing them all to Yeah. Yeah. So uh bringing them all to Yeah. Yeah. So uh bringing them all to Yeah. Yeah. So uh I'm super excited for what's coming down I'm super excited for what's coming down I'm super excited for what's coming down the pipe with that. the pipe with that. the pipe with that. >> Um so I'm gonna change topics. Uh, so >> Um so I'm gonna change topics. Uh, so >> Um so I'm gonna change topics. Uh, so the platform X just came out with this the platform X just came out with this the platform X just came out with this new policy that I think a lot of other new policy that I think a lot of other new policy that I think a lot of other >> platforms are going to follow suit on. >> platforms are going to follow suit on. >> platforms are going to follow suit on. So, uh, you guys already see this that So, uh, you guys already see this that So, uh, you guys already see this that AI content AI content AI content >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> is just everywhere. Yeah. >> is just everywhere. Yeah. >> is just everywhere. Yeah. >> It's it's all over the place. It's >> It's it's all over the place. It's >> It's it's all over the place. It's >> um, >> um, >> um, >> it's getting so good, too. It's so hard >> it's getting so good, too. It's so hard >> it's getting so good, too. It's so hard to distinguish whether it's to distinguish whether it's to distinguish whether it's >> It is. And you have to I shared I shared >> It is. And you have to I shared I shared >> It is. And you have to I shared I shared a a fake video thinking it was real day. a a fake video thinking it was real day. a a fake video thinking it was real day. >> And it's just going to get worse. >> And it's just going to get worse. >> And it's just going to get worse. >> So X just did this. They said they just >> So X just did this. They said they just >> So X just did this. They said they just passed the policy. passed the policy. passed the policy. >> If you're caught posting an AI generated >> If you're caught posting an AI generated >> If you're caught posting an AI generated video without disclosing that it's AI, video without disclosing that it's AI, video without disclosing that it's AI, you get suspended from producing from you get suspended from producing from you get suspended from producing from create getting any revenue. So, creator create getting any revenue. So, creator create getting any revenue. So, creator revenue sharing for 90 days. If you revenue sharing for 90 days. If you revenue sharing for 90 days. If you repeat as an offender, they'll ban you repeat as an offender, they'll ban you repeat as an offender, they'll ban you permanently. So, I think it's I think permanently. So, I think it's I think permanently. So, I think it's I think this is what the other platforms have to this is what the other platforms have to this is what the other platforms have to do. do. do. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Otherwise, what's going to happen is uh >> Otherwise, what's going to happen is uh >> Otherwise, what's going to happen is uh and you're seeing this right now with and you're seeing this right now with and you're seeing this right now with the war in Iran. the war in Iran. the war in Iran. >> What is real? >> What is real? >> What is real? >> It's the deception. Yeah. you who knows >> It's the deception. Yeah. you who knows >> It's the deception. Yeah. you who knows what the what the what the >> and Iran's producing it, Russia's >> and Iran's producing it, Russia's >> and Iran's producing it, Russia's producing it, America's producing it, producing it, America's producing it, producing it, America's producing it, people are producing it for views. people are producing it for views. people are producing it for views. You're watching it come through. Is that You're watching it come through. Is that You're watching it come through. Is that real? Did they just bomb that place? Is real? Did they just bomb that place? Is real? Did they just bomb that place? Is that a real new airplane? that a real new airplane? that a real new airplane? >> Is that Did that person just >> Is that Did that person just >> Is that Did that person just >> verified? >> verified? >> verified? >> Yeah. Did that is that, you know, it's >> Yeah. Did that is that, you know, it's >> Yeah. Did that is that, you know, it's just it's crazy and it's just going to just it's crazy and it's just going to just it's crazy and it's just going to get worse. So, I think that they have to get worse. So, I think that they have to get worse. So, I think that they have to do I think these platforms are going to do I think these platforms are going to do I think these platforms are going to have to say, "Look, if we catch you and have to say, "Look, if we catch you and have to say, "Look, if we catch you and you don't disclose it, you're going to you don't disclose it, you're going to you don't disclose it, you're going to pay a penalty." pay a penalty." pay a penalty." >> I know uh YouTube did something similar. >> I know uh YouTube did something similar. >> I know uh YouTube did something similar. YouTube demonetized any any AI pages, YouTube demonetized any any AI pages, YouTube demonetized any any AI pages, too. So, that's the the quick and easy too. So, that's the the quick and easy too. So, that's the the quick and easy way to do it is to do that. It's gonna way to do it is to do that. It's gonna way to do it is to do that. It's gonna be interesting how they do that because be interesting how they do that because be interesting how they do that because a lot of these pages uh aren't a lot of these pages uh aren't a lot of these pages uh aren't necessarily monetizing though either. necessarily monetizing though either. necessarily monetizing though either. >> So, like in there's plenty of like uh >> So, like in there's plenty of like uh >> So, like in there's plenty of like uh you know, you know, you know, >> like just random >> like just random >> like just random >> Yeah, just random popular pages. >> Yeah, just random popular pages. >> Yeah, just random popular pages. >> Well, at the moment, what happens on X, >> Well, at the moment, what happens on X, >> Well, at the moment, what happens on X, this is the best platform I've seen for this is the best platform I've seen for this is the best platform I've seen for AI, and it's not great yet, but it's the AI, and it's not great yet, but it's the AI, and it's not great yet, but it's the best one, is that they'll use Grock, cuz best one, is that they'll use Grock, cuz best one, is that they'll use Grock, cuz Grock is the AI that they use on X. And Grock is the AI that they use on X. And Grock is the AI that they use on X. And so a video will get posted. All someone so a video will get posted. All someone so a video will get posted. All someone has to do is underneath it has to do is underneath it has to do is underneath it >> they ask Grock. >> they ask Grock. >> they ask Grock. >> Yeah. Hey Grock, is this is this video >> Yeah. Hey Grock, is this is this video >> Yeah. Hey Grock, is this is this video real? Yeah. real? Yeah. real? Yeah. >> And then Grock like right away is, you >> And then Grock like right away is, you >> And then Grock like right away is, you know, oh no, this is actually a video know, oh no, this is actually a video know, oh no, this is actually a video from 2018. It's not, you know, this or from 2018. It's not, you know, this or from 2018. It's not, you know, this or no, this is an AI created video. This is no, this is an AI created video. This is no, this is an AI created video. This is not real. not real. not real. >> And so I So you have to wait a second, >> And so I So you have to wait a second, >> And so I So you have to wait a second, but they're able to do that pretty well but they're able to do that pretty well but they're able to do that pretty well >> so far. So yeah, it's kind of cool. >> so far. So yeah, it's kind of cool. >> so far. So yeah, it's kind of cool. Anyway, I saw Doug yesterday. He's I Anyway, I saw Doug yesterday. He's I Anyway, I saw Doug yesterday. He's I think he's one of the the culprits for think he's one of the the culprits for think he's one of the the culprits for the missing Chris Power bags. the missing Chris Power bags. the missing Chris Power bags. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> he was over there crushing. I didn't >> he was over there crushing. I didn't >> he was over there crushing. I didn't think you liked them as much as I did. think you liked them as much as I did. think you liked them as much as I did. >> These you crush a whole >> These you crush a whole >> These you crush a whole >> I mean they're my dirty little secret >> I mean they're my dirty little secret >> I mean they're my dirty little secret >> now. You have another dirty secret. >> now. You have another dirty secret. >> now. You have another dirty secret. >> We don't want to talk about that one. >> We don't want to talk about that one. >> We don't want to talk about that one. >> But you were eating the what? The >> But you were eating the what? The >> But you were eating the what? The everything bagel ones. everything bagel ones. everything bagel ones. >> Everything bagel ones. >> Everything bagel ones. >> Everything bagel ones. >> Oh, I thought you eat the fire ones. >> Oh, I thought you eat the fire ones. >> Oh, I thought you eat the fire ones. >> Uh that was the other day. >> Uh that was the other day. >> Uh that was the other day. >> Oh my god. You are eating way more than >> Oh my god. You are eating way more than >> Oh my god. You are eating way more than >> Are they under there? That's where the >> Are they under there? That's where the >> Are they under there? That's where the Chris Power is too. Chris Power is too. Chris Power is too. >> Yeah, we now have a little stash here >> Yeah, we now have a little stash here >> Yeah, we now have a little stash here inside the studio. inside the studio. inside the studio. >> Our staff just crushes. >> Our staff just crushes. >> Our staff just crushes. >> You guys see they're popping up all over >> You guys see they're popping up all over >> You guys see they're popping up all over the place, too. the place, too. the place, too. >> Chris Power. >> Chris Power. >> Chris Power. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. I think I think Costco. Did I see >> Yeah. I think I think Costco. Did I see >> Yeah. I think I think Costco. Did I see Costco also? Costco also? Costco also? >> Maybe. >> Maybe. >> Maybe. >> I think look up I think I know uh >> I think look up I think I know uh >> I think look up I think I know uh they're also I think they're also I think they're also I think >> I'll tell you. Let me tell you everybody >> I'll tell you. Let me tell you everybody >> I'll tell you. Let me tell you everybody why that that snack is going to just why that that snack is going to just why that that snack is going to just destroy. destroy. destroy. >> It's high protein high protein carb. >> It's high protein high protein carb. >> It's high protein high protein carb. >> Cool. Yes. It's high protein. Cool. It >> Cool. Yes. It's high protein. Cool. It >> Cool. Yes. It's high protein. Cool. It doesn't taste it tastes like a freaking doesn't taste it tastes like a freaking doesn't taste it tastes like a freaking tastes like pretzels like Yeah, dude. tastes like pretzels like Yeah, dude. tastes like pretzels like Yeah, dude. And they're flavored and it's just good. And they're flavored and it's just good. And they're flavored and it's just good. And that you know that you do that And that you know that you do that And that you know that you do that you're just going to crush it. They're you're just going to crush it. They're you're just going to crush it. They're absolutely crushing it already. And I absolutely crushing it already. And I absolutely crushing it already. And I think they're already in a bunch of think they're already in a bunch of think they're already in a bunch of major stores. I mean like literally from major stores. I mean like literally from major stores. I mean like literally from you didn't know about him what I don't you didn't know about him what I don't you didn't know about him what I don't know eight months ago. know eight months ago. know eight months ago. >> No, never heard of him. >> No, never heard of him. >> No, never heard of him. >> Yeah. It was like so crazy you that who >> Yeah. It was like so crazy you that who >> Yeah. It was like so crazy you that who who connected us. You remember who who connected us. You remember who who connected us. You remember who connected us? connected us? connected us? >> Yes, dude. You don't remember? >> Yes, dude. You don't remember? >> Yes, dude. You don't remember? >> So you remember when we did >> So you remember when we did >> So you remember when we did >> Keto head, right? >> Keto head, right? >> Keto head, right? >> Yes. Yes. That was his old Instagram >> Yes. Yes. That was his old Instagram >> Yes. Yes. That was his old Instagram name was Keto Keto Head. Yeah. name was Keto Keto Head. Yeah. name was Keto Keto Head. Yeah. >> Remember we interviewed when we were at >> Remember we interviewed when we were at >> Remember we interviewed when we were at um what was that with Joe Dina? um what was that with Joe Dina? um what was that with Joe Dina? >> Um the race. >> Um the race. >> Um the race. >> Spartan race. This is like year year two >> Spartan race. This is like year year two >> Spartan race. This is like year year two or three. I want to say year two or or three. I want to say year two or or three. I want to say year two or three of us. three of us. three of us. >> We met we met him we met him at Spartan. >> We met we met him we met him at Spartan. >> We met we met him we met him at Spartan. He remained a fan and a listener. He remained a fan and a listener. He remained a fan and a listener. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> And every once in a while he would he >> And every once in a while he would he >> And every once in a while he would he would comment DM and so I I knew he was would comment DM and so I I knew he was would comment DM and so I I knew he was a listener cuz he would comment on a listener cuz he would comment on a listener cuz he would comment on something that we were talking about something that we were talking about something that we were talking about with that. And so we'd we'd stay in with that. And so we'd we'd stay in with that. And so we'd we'd stay in touch over the years touch over the years touch over the years >> and uh he I I don't remember what I >> and uh he I I don't remember what I >> and uh he I I don't remember what I think he saw me like like one of their think he saw me like like one of their think he saw me like like one of their stuff and he's like hey stuff and he's like hey stuff and he's like hey >> uh I can send you send you a box with >> uh I can send you send you a box with >> uh I can send you send you a box with that. And then he was one of he's he's that. And then he was one of he's he's that. And then he was one of he's he's one of the founders I believe behind it. one of the founders I believe behind it. one of the founders I believe behind it. Uh sent it over and I was like, "Dude, Uh sent it over and I was like, "Dude, Uh sent it over and I was like, "Dude, we got to go on the phone." Yeah, we got we got to go on the phone." Yeah, we got we got to go on the phone." Yeah, we got to go on the phone. I I really like to go on the phone. I I really like to go on the phone. I I really like these. these. these. >> Uh and that's how that happened. >> Uh and that's how that happened. >> Uh and that's how that happened. >> Well, the game with that, right, is you >> Well, the game with that, right, is you >> Well, the game with that, right, is you you make a snack, you get it everywhere, you make a snack, you get it everywhere, you make a snack, you get it everywhere, and then you sell to a big uh company. and then you sell to a big uh company. and then you sell to a big uh company. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And you get a big That's the whole Did >> And you get a big That's the whole Did >> And you get a big That's the whole Did you see where it's all at now? you see where it's all at now? you see where it's all at now? >> Yeah. You can get at Costco. >> Yeah. You can get at Costco. >> Yeah. You can get at Costco. >> It is at Costco. Wow. It's already in >> It is at Costco. Wow. It's already in >> It is at Costco. Wow. It's already in Costco. Jeez. Costco. Jeez. Costco. Jeez. >> Wow. That's came over, dude. That's >> Wow. That's came over, dude. That's >> Wow. That's came over, dude. That's happening. That's That's awesome. happening. That's That's awesome. happening. That's That's awesome. >> That's super rad. >> That's super rad. >> That's super rad. >> Have you guys seen you guys seen the >> Have you guys seen you guys seen the >> Have you guys seen you guys seen the list for Speaking of Dirty Secret, have list for Speaking of Dirty Secret, have list for Speaking of Dirty Secret, have you guys seen the list of the dirty you guys seen the list of the dirty you guys seen the list of the dirty dozen dozen dozen >> foods that are the highest in >> foods that are the highest in >> foods that are the highest in pesticides? Have you guys seen this pesticides? Have you guys seen this pesticides? Have you guys seen this before? before? before? >> I've seen that. >> I've seen that. >> I've seen that. >> No, I have not. >> No, I have not. >> No, I have not. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> can we guess fruit? >> can we guess fruit? >> can we guess fruit? >> So, yeah. So, there's fruits and >> So, yeah. So, there's fruits and >> So, yeah. So, there's fruits and vegetables. Which ones are the highest? vegetables. Which ones are the highest? vegetables. Which ones are the highest? >> So, I'm going to go uh lettuce and >> So, I'm going to go uh lettuce and >> So, I'm going to go uh lettuce and berries. So, strawberries, lettuce. berries. So, strawberries, lettuce. berries. So, strawberries, lettuce. >> Oh, berries for sure. >> Oh, berries for sure. >> Oh, berries for sure. >> I'm going to throw in apples. >> I'm going to throw in apples. >> I'm going to throw in apples. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> apples. You guys are hitting for sure. >> apples. You guys are hitting for sure. >> apples. You guys are hitting for sure. >> So, spinach, strawberries. anything >> So, spinach, strawberries. anything >> So, spinach, strawberries. anything without a hard without a hard without a hard >> that was that was one of the best like >> that was that was one of the best like >> that was that was one of the best like takes I had someone like if you're not takes I had someone like if you're not takes I had someone like if you're not going to go organic right and start going to go organic right and start going to go organic right and start >> these are the on the ones go organic >> these are the on the ones go organic >> these are the on the ones go organic >> yeah these are the ones >> yeah these are the ones >> yeah these are the ones >> but you can also wash them >> but you can also wash them >> but you can also wash them >> you can also just wash them really well >> you can also just wash them really well >> you can also just wash them really well you'll get the best but spinach you'll get the best but spinach you'll get the best but spinach strawberries kale collarded mustard strawberries kale collarded mustard strawberries kale collarded mustard greens grapes peaches cherries greens grapes peaches cherries greens grapes peaches cherries nectarines pears apples blackberries nectarines pears apples blackberries nectarines pears apples blackberries blueberries and potatoes blueberries and potatoes blueberries and potatoes >> now how much potatoes >> now how much potatoes >> now how much potatoes >> potato sorry >> potato sorry >> potato sorry >> come on >> come on >> come on >> now how much have you gone I' I' I've >> now how much have you gone I' I' I've >> now how much have you gone I' I' I've gone a big, you know, talking about AI gone a big, you know, talking about AI gone a big, you know, talking about AI and what's real, what's not real. It's and what's real, what's not real. It's and what's real, what's not real. It's like I don't know what to believe. Now, like I don't know what to believe. Now, like I don't know what to believe. Now, I've seen some interesting content on I've seen some interesting content on I've seen some interesting content on what a scam organic is. what a scam organic is. what a scam organic is. >> And that the in order to be called >> And that the in order to be called >> And that the in order to be called organic, the barrier is so low and organic, the barrier is so low and organic, the barrier is so low and they're even using things on it that are they're even using things on it that are they're even using things on it that are just as bad or arguably worse for you just as bad or arguably worse for you just as bad or arguably worse for you than the other crap. And so how much than the other crap. And so how much than the other crap. And so how much have you looked into that? And do you have you looked into that? And do you have you looked into that? And do you know like how valuable is it? And and know like how valuable is it? And and know like how valuable is it? And and you're talking about a I want to say you're talking about a I want to say you're talking about a I want to say regulations are regulations are regulations are >> I want to say the numbers like on >> I want to say the numbers like on >> I want to say the numbers like on average 40 40% higher prices on a lot of average 40 40% higher prices on a lot of average 40 40% higher prices on a lot of stuff stuff stuff >> they are. So the so the best studies >> they are. So the so the best studies >> they are. So the so the best studies that I've seen are ones where they test that I've seen are ones where they test that I've seen are ones where they test uh the food or and or they test people's uh the food or and or they test people's uh the food or and or they test people's urine. This is where you'll see urine. This is where you'll see urine. This is where you'll see pesticide load. And there's actually pesticide load. And there's actually pesticide load. And there's actually there was actually a few studies where there was actually a few studies where there was actually a few studies where they took people and they had them only they took people and they had them only they took people and they had them only eat or so they tested their urine. They eat or so they tested their urine. They eat or so they tested their urine. They were eating conventional, then they had were eating conventional, then they had were eating conventional, then they had them not change their diet, switch to them not change their diet, switch to them not change their diet, switch to organic, uh, and then change their organic, uh, and then change their organic, uh, and then change their urine, and there was a remarkable urine, and there was a remarkable urine, and there was a remarkable different uh, difference. Yes. Yes. different uh, difference. Yes. Yes. different uh, difference. Yes. Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yes. So, it makes a difference. I'd >> Yes. So, it makes a difference. I'd >> Yes. So, it makes a difference. I'd still wash them, though. still wash them, though. still wash them, though. >> Still wash your stuff cuz even organic >> Still wash your stuff cuz even organic >> Still wash your stuff cuz even organic >> pesticides and stuff can actually >> pesticides and stuff can actually >> pesticides and stuff can actually sometimes show higher rates of heavy sometimes show higher rates of heavy sometimes show higher rates of heavy metals. metals. metals. >> That's what I said. That's what it was. >> That's what I said. That's what it was. >> That's what I said. That's what it was. It was Yeah. You have the So, it's like It was Yeah. You have the So, it's like It was Yeah. You have the So, it's like you're you're you're, you know, trading you're you're you're, you know, trading you're you're you're, you know, trading one thing off or trading one thing out, one thing off or trading one thing out, one thing off or trading one thing out, but then you're getting something else but then you're getting something else but then you're getting something else that's arguably just as bad or worse for that's arguably just as bad or worse for that's arguably just as bad or worse for you. you. you. >> Oh. And so, you know, is it worth the >> Oh. And so, you know, is it worth the >> Oh. And so, you know, is it worth the 40%. I do want to be clear, though. 40%. I do want to be clear, though. 40%. I do want to be clear, though. We've said this since day one. We've said this since day one. We've said this since day one. >> You actually remove a decent amount if >> You actually remove a decent amount if >> You actually remove a decent amount if you wash them, you wash them, you wash them, >> especially you get a lot of it. Dude, this reminds you get a lot of it. Dude, this reminds me though, the food talk, Doug, if you me though, the food talk, Doug, if you me though, the food talk, Doug, if you could uh look this up. Uh apparently the could uh look this up. Uh apparently the could uh look this up. Uh apparently the grandson of the founder of like Reese's grandson of the founder of like Reese's grandson of the founder of like Reese's uh had just exposed I don't know again uh had just exposed I don't know again uh had just exposed I don't know again we have to fact check if this is real or we have to fact check if this is real or we have to fact check if this is real or not AI uh but that like some of the not AI uh but that like some of the not AI uh but that like some of the ingredients they had changed over as ingredients they had changed over as ingredients they had changed over as like not even you know natural or real like not even you know natural or real like not even you know natural or real ingredients. ingredients. ingredients. >> I heard this. What do you mean? >> I heard this. What do you mean? >> I heard this. What do you mean? >> It's fake. >> It's fake. >> It's fake. >> Like yeah I don't know if it's the >> Like yeah I don't know if it's the >> Like yeah I don't know if it's the peanut butter or peanut butter. It's peanut butter or peanut butter. It's peanut butter or peanut butter. It's >> Yeah. It's not It's just manufactured. >> Yeah. It's not It's just manufactured. >> Yeah. It's not It's just manufactured. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's like the Oreo stuff. I told >> Yeah. It's like the Oreo stuff. I told >> Yeah. It's like the Oreo stuff. I told you it's like not nothing real about it, you it's like not nothing real about it, you it's like not nothing real about it, dude. Like it's not real. It's not real dude. Like it's not real. It's not real dude. Like it's not real. It's not real peanut butter and chocolate. peanut butter and chocolate. peanut butter and chocolate. >> Yeah. So, you're just eating like just >> Yeah. So, you're just eating like just >> Yeah. So, you're just eating like just plastic sugar. plastic sugar. plastic sugar. >> Brad Reese's grandson, creator of the >> Brad Reese's grandson, creator of the >> Brad Reese's grandson, creator of the Hershey, Hershey, Hershey, >> has accused the Hershey company of >> has accused the Hershey company of >> has accused the Hershey company of skimpflation by quietly replacing skimpflation by quietly replacing skimpflation by quietly replacing quality ingredients with cheaper quality ingredients with cheaper quality ingredients with cheaper alternatives. alternatives. alternatives. In February 2026 LinkedIn letter, he In February 2026 LinkedIn letter, he In February 2026 LinkedIn letter, he alleged that real milk chocolate is alleged that real milk chocolate is alleged that real milk chocolate is being swapped being swapped being swapped >> for compound coatings and peanut butter >> for compound coatings and peanut butter >> for compound coatings and peanut butter for peanut butter style cre. for peanut butter style cre. for peanut butter style cre. >> Yeah. So, exactly what's happens. >> Yeah. So, exactly what's happens. >> Yeah. So, exactly what's happens. How many like how dude and you go How many like how dude and you go How many like how dude and you go through the like if that's one of the through the like if that's one of the through the like if that's one of the major companies doing this and of course major companies doing this and of course major companies doing this and of course profit margins play a huge factor into profit margins play a huge factor into profit margins play a huge factor into this and then they found cheap this and then they found cheap this and then they found cheap alternatives that taste like the food alternatives that taste like the food alternatives that taste like the food you were eating before but it's not you were eating before but it's not you were eating before but it's not really the food anymore. How many like really the food anymore. How many like really the food anymore. How many like items are out there that aren't even items are out there that aren't even items are out there that aren't even real? real? real? >> I got to say this though, this is what >> I got to say this though, this is what >> I got to say this though, this is what they're probably doing. They're looking they're probably doing. They're looking they're probably doing. They're looking at their like like heavy users like at their like like heavy users like at their like like heavy users like their Reese's pieces heavy users. Yeah. their Reese's pieces heavy users. Yeah. their Reese's pieces heavy users. Yeah. >> And they're like um >> And they're like um >> And they're like um >> do you think they're not going to buy it >> do you think they're not going to buy it >> do you think they're not going to buy it if we swap out? Like nobody's going to if we swap out? Like nobody's going to if we swap out? Like nobody's going to care. Nobody's eating Reese's and going, care. Nobody's eating Reese's and going, care. Nobody's eating Reese's and going, "Oh, "Oh, "Oh, >> yeah. It's not like high consumption." >> yeah. It's not like high consumption." >> yeah. It's not like high consumption." Yeah. If you are, you got Yeah. If you are, you got Yeah. If you are, you got >> problems. You got diabetes and >> problems. You got diabetes and >> problems. You got diabetes and everything else. everything else. everything else. >> You're not the same. It's the same game >> You're not the same. It's the same game >> You're not the same. It's the same game that we saw in the toothpaste, shampoo, that we saw in the toothpaste, shampoo, that we saw in the toothpaste, shampoo, soap, and soap, and soap, and >> Well, that's different. Those are >> Well, that's different. Those are >> Well, that's different. Those are products that are like advertising products that are like advertising products that are like advertising natural. natural. natural. >> No, no, no. Not that. That's not what I >> No, no, no. Not that. That's not what I >> No, no, no. Not that. That's not what I mean by that. But that they're also mean by that. But that they're also mean by that. But that they're also skimming. skimming. skimming. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> You don't even know. Their price >> You don't even know. Their price >> You don't even know. Their price >> Their price went up 40 and they took 2 >> Their price went up 40 and they took 2 >> Their price went up 40 and they took 2 ounces out from you. You know what I'm ounces out from you. You know what I'm ounces out from you. You know what I'm saying? So you're like, "Oh, that's not saying? So you're like, "Oh, that's not saying? So you're like, "Oh, that's not bad. It's 40 cents more." That's normal bad. It's 40 cents more." That's normal bad. It's 40 cents more." That's normal inflation. You know what I'm saying? inflation. You know what I'm saying? inflation. You know what I'm saying? It's like, "No, they It's like, "No, they It's like, "No, they >> toilet paper did that." The most >> toilet paper did that." The most >> toilet paper did that." The most >> They did. Toilet paper did it. Everybody >> They did. Toilet paper did it. Everybody >> They did. Toilet paper did it. Everybody did it. Toothpaste did it. Deodorant did did it. Toothpaste did it. Deodorant did did it. Toothpaste did it. Deodorant did it. Shampoo, everything that we use on a it. Shampoo, everything that we use on a it. Shampoo, everything that we use on a regular basis all did it. regular basis all did it. regular basis all did it. >> They made the >> They made the >> They made the >> Go back and look uh at your deodorant >> Go back and look uh at your deodorant >> Go back and look uh at your deodorant sticks. Go back and look at your sticks. Go back and look at your sticks. Go back and look at your toothpaste bottles. Go back and look at toothpaste bottles. Go back and look at toothpaste bottles. Go back and look at your shampoo bottles. They all skimmed your shampoo bottles. They all skimmed your shampoo bottles. They all skimmed ounces off and increase price ounces off and increase price ounces off and increase price simultaneously. All simultaneously. All simultaneously. All >> during Was that cotton ball? Was that >> during Was that cotton ball? Was that >> during Was that cotton ball? Was that just like part of, you know, when they just like part of, you know, when they just like part of, you know, when they put it in the bottle just to fill the put it in the bottle just to fill the put it in the bottle just to fill the space? space? space? >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> like a pill bottle? >> like a pill bottle? >> like a pill bottle? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I think they do that so it doesn't >> I think they do that so it doesn't >> I think they do that so it doesn't rattle around. rattle around. rattle around. >> Yeah. So it doesn't become powder. >> Yeah. So it doesn't become powder. >> Yeah. So it doesn't become powder. >> I think that's [ __ ] >> I think that's [ __ ] >> I think that's [ __ ] >> I think that's literally just like give >> I think that's literally just like give >> I think that's literally just like give you less. I mean that's you don't buy you less. I mean that's you don't buy you less. I mean that's you don't buy cotton. cotton. cotton. >> What's a bigger scam are are chip bags. >> What's a bigger scam are are chip bags. >> What's a bigger scam are are chip bags. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. Chip chip bags are are double the double Chip chip bags are are double the double Chip chip bags are are double the double the size. the size. the size. >> But you know they do that to protect the >> But you know they do that to protect the >> But you know they do that to protect the chips not getting crushed, right? chips not getting crushed, right? chips not getting crushed, right? >> I know. You you don't need double the >> I know. You you don't need double the >> I know. You you don't need double the size. You can get away with a 20. You size. You can get away with a 20. You size. You can get away with a 20. You can use some You can use some cotton can use some You can use some cotton can use some You can use some cotton padding or something like that. Get away padding or something like that. Get away padding or something like that. Get away with a fraction of the price. with a fraction of the price. with a fraction of the price. >> You know what's the worst? The worst >> You know what's the worst? The worst >> You know what's the worst? The worst chips. chips. chips. >> That's just annoys me. The worst chips >> That's just annoys me. The worst chips >> That's just annoys me. The worst chips are uh what are they called? Uh are uh what are they called? Uh are uh what are they called? Uh Pringles. Pringles. Pringles. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> They're not even sliced potato chips. >> They're not even sliced potato chips. >> They're not even sliced potato chips. They're like potato flakes and then they They're like potato flakes and then they They're like potato flakes and then they press them into the chip shape. press them into the chip shape. press them into the chip shape. >> You know, it reminds me of like particle >> You know, it reminds me of like particle >> You know, it reminds me of like particle board. board. board. >> Yeah, exactly. Glue it together. Just >> Yeah, exactly. Glue it together. Just >> Yeah, exactly. Glue it together. Just smash it. It's all the crumbs left in smash it. It's all the crumbs left in smash it. It's all the crumbs left in everybody's bags. And then they just everybody's bags. And then they just everybody's bags. And then they just they just press them into these shapes. they just press them into these shapes. they just press them into these shapes. >> Some dude is going around the country >> Some dude is going around the country >> Some dude is going around the country and he's getting it cuz you no one ever and he's getting it cuz you no one ever and he's getting it cuz you no one ever throws a bag of chips out without crumbs throws a bag of chips out without crumbs throws a bag of chips out without crumbs at the bottom. at the bottom. at the bottom. >> Oh yeah. You got to eat them, dude. Warm >> Oh yeah. You got to eat them, dude. Warm >> Oh yeah. You got to eat them, dude. Warm >> in your face. That's me, dog. You know >> in your face. That's me, dog. You know >> in your face. That's me, dog. You know me and potato chips, bro. That's my me and potato chips, bro. That's my me and potato chips, bro. That's my favorite. They can throw it away. Salty favorite. They can throw it away. Salty favorite. They can throw it away. Salty goodness. goodness. goodness. >> If you fry a potato, I will eat it. I >> If you fry a potato, I will eat it. I >> If you fry a potato, I will eat it. I don't care how you make it, whatever. If don't care how you make it, whatever. If don't care how you make it, whatever. If it's fried, it's done. it's fried, it's done. it's fried, it's done. >> Have you ever tried to make your own >> Have you ever tried to make your own >> Have you ever tried to make your own >> potato chips? >> potato chips? >> potato chips? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, I don't know how >> No, I don't know how >> No, I don't know how I want to make curly. I want to make curly. I want to make curly. >> Yeah. I don't think it's like I don't I >> Yeah. I don't think it's like I don't I >> Yeah. I don't think it's like I don't I don't think making your own I don't don't think making your own I don't don't think making your own I don't think it's that difficult. think it's that difficult. think it's that difficult. >> How do you slice them? With a knife. >> How do you slice them? With a knife. >> How do you slice them? With a knife. >> Yeah, you can get a slicer, too. They >> Yeah, you can get a slicer, too. They >> Yeah, you can get a slicer, too. They make slicers. make slicers. make slicers. >> Yeah. Throw them in hot oil. >> Yeah. Throw them in hot oil. >> Yeah. Throw them in hot oil. >> I mean, we watch I've always wanted to >> I mean, we watch I've always wanted to >> I mean, we watch I've always wanted to make I've always tried always wanted to make I've always tried always wanted to make I've always tried always wanted to try and make uh um In-N-Out French fries try and make uh um In-N-Out French fries try and make uh um In-N-Out French fries at home. at home. at home. >> You see them do the potato right there >> You see them do the potato right there >> You see them do the potato right there >> and then it just gets dropped into the >> and then it just gets dropped into the >> and then it just gets dropped into the deep fryer and then salt. I mean, deep fryer and then salt. I mean, deep fryer and then salt. I mean, >> it's potato. Is it Is it peanut oil to >> it's potato. Is it Is it peanut oil to >> it's potato. Is it Is it peanut oil to use? use? use? >> Well, peanut oil is that's Five Guys, >> Well, peanut oil is that's Five Guys, >> Well, peanut oil is that's Five Guys, >> which I actually prefer that. Five Guys >> which I actually prefer that. Five Guys >> which I actually prefer that. Five Guys got some. got some. got some. >> You like Five Guys over In-N-Out fries? >> You like Five Guys over In-N-Out fries? >> You like Five Guys over In-N-Out fries? In-N-Out in my stomach. In-N-Out in my stomach. In-N-Out in my stomach. >> Here's the deal. In-N-Out fries. I could >> Here's the deal. In-N-Out fries. I could >> Here's the deal. In-N-Out fries. I could eat a lot of them and and not be like, eat a lot of them and and not be like, eat a lot of them and and not be like, "Uh, Five Guys fries are good." "Uh, Five Guys fries are good." "Uh, Five Guys fries are good." >> See what they're frying. See what >> See what they're frying. See what >> See what they're frying. See what In-N-Out is in Out Frying. In-N-Out is in Out Frying. In-N-Out is in Out Frying. >> That's real potatoes. You're like, "Oh, >> That's real potatoes. You're like, "Oh, >> That's real potatoes. You're like, "Oh, >> that's a lot of potatoes." >> that's a lot of potatoes." >> that's a lot of potatoes." >> I mean, if we're like, by the way, if >> I mean, if we're like, by the way, if >> I mean, if we're like, by the way, if you're like splitting hairs on what the, you're like splitting hairs on what the, you're like splitting hairs on what the, you know, where your potatoes get, you you know, where your potatoes get, you you know, where your potatoes get, you know, your French fries get fried, like know, your French fries get fried, like know, your French fries get fried, like it's it's it's >> this is that that's the lay Norton >> this is that that's the lay Norton >> this is that that's the lay Norton argument, which I I get that. You know argument, which I I get that. You know argument, which I I get that. You know what I'm saying? It's like it's like the what I'm saying? It's like it's like the what I'm saying? It's like it's like the Reese's Peanut Butter. It's like if Reese's Peanut Butter. It's like if Reese's Peanut Butter. It's like if you're eating bags of Reese, but it you're eating bags of Reese, but it you're eating bags of Reese, but it doesn't really matter. It's fake. doesn't really matter. It's fake. doesn't really matter. It's fake. >> I started a diet. >> I started a diet. >> I started a diet. >> I'm angry about it. It's like my >> I'm angry about it. It's like my >> I'm angry about it. It's like my favorite candy, dude. They use sunflower favorite candy, dude. They use sunflower favorite candy, dude. They use sunflower oil. oil. oil. >> Sunflower oil. >> Sunflower oil. >> Sunflower oil. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Also not good, right? >> Also not good, right? >> Also not good, right? >> Probably not good. No. >> Probably not good. No. >> Probably not good. No. >> Yeah. I mean, is there is any I mean, >> Yeah. I mean, is there is any I mean, >> Yeah. I mean, is there is any I mean, other I guess. other I guess. other I guess. >> Well, I mean, you know, McDonald's, I >> Well, I mean, you know, McDonald's, I >> Well, I mean, you know, McDonald's, I think, used to use beef tallow. think, used to use beef tallow. think, used to use beef tallow. >> They used to until they got sued. >> They used to until they got sued. >> They used to until they got sued. >> I thought they brought it back. >> I thought they brought it back. >> I thought they brought it back. >> I don't think so. >> I don't think so. >> I don't think so. >> Wasn't that what RFK was all campaigning >> Wasn't that what RFK was all campaigning >> Wasn't that what RFK was all campaigning on? Bring back Br. That'll solve the on? Bring back Br. That'll solve the on? Bring back Br. That'll solve the OBC. OBC. OBC. Also, another great lady, Also, another great lady, Also, another great lady, >> but he lost. Didn't Trump pass something >> but he lost. Didn't Trump pass something >> but he lost. Didn't Trump pass something for Monsanto and like allowed now? Um for Monsanto and like allowed now? Um for Monsanto and like allowed now? Um >> Oh, they're not cutting it. They're not >> Oh, they're not cutting it. They're not >> Oh, they're not cutting it. They're not >> Yeah, they're not cutting the >> Yeah, they're not cutting the >> Yeah, they're not cutting the >> GL required for national security. >> GL required for national security. >> GL required for national security. >> Yeah, the Roundup and all that. It's >> Yeah, the Roundup and all that. It's >> Yeah, the Roundup and all that. It's like it's required for national like it's required for national like it's required for national security. security. security. >> So much food is is now dependent on >> So much food is is now dependent on >> So much food is is now dependent on using using using >> so that cut into the Yeah. the inventory >> so that cut into the Yeah. the inventory >> so that cut into the Yeah. the inventory >> to maintain our obesity. >> to maintain our obesity. >> to maintain our obesity. >> Yeah. >> Are those the numbers that it uses? >> Are those the numbers that it uses? We're going to put America on the North We're going to put America on the North We're going to put America on the North Korean diet. I mean, you've seen the Korean diet. I mean, you've seen the Korean diet. I mean, you've seen the studies on like countries like North studies on like countries like North studies on like countries like North Korea, like the average person loses 15 Korea, like the average person loses 15 Korea, like the average person loses 15 pounds because they have no food. You pounds because they have no food. You pounds because they have no food. You know what I mean? know what I mean? know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We don't want to do that. >> Yeah. We don't want to do that. >> Yeah. We don't want to do that. >> No. I mean, a lot of us could afford to >> No. I mean, a lot of us could afford to >> No. I mean, a lot of us could afford to be on the show alone for a little while be on the show alone for a little while be on the show alone for a little while and see it be just all right, dude. and see it be just all right, dude. and see it be just all right, dude. >> What if alone was a weight loss show? >> What if alone was a weight loss show? >> What if alone was a weight loss show? >> It becomes that I wonder how many people >> It becomes that I wonder how many people >> It becomes that I wonder how many people get on it with that. Bad strategy though get on it with that. Bad strategy though get on it with that. Bad strategy though because most some of these contestants because most some of these contestants because most some of these contestants can't even last a week out there. can't even last a week out there. can't even last a week out there. >> Dude, the vegans on the show sometimes >> Dude, the vegans on the show sometimes >> Dude, the vegans on the show sometimes sometimes I'll have a vegan on there. sometimes I'll have a vegan on there. sometimes I'll have a vegan on there. I'm like, do you know what you're I'm like, do you know what you're I'm like, do you know what you're saying? saying? saying? >> Have they made a vegan on there? Early >> Have they made a vegan on there? Early >> Have they made a vegan on there? Early days. I remember. days. I remember. days. I remember. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yes. Early days. There was a couple. >> Yes. Early days. There was a couple. >> Yes. Early days. There was a couple. >> Are you sure? >> Are you sure? >> Are you sure? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yes. And then towards the end they >> Yes. And then towards the end they >> Yes. And then towards the end they actually like conceded and they ate. I actually like conceded and they ate. I actually like conceded and they ate. I think it was like a think it was like a think it was like a >> squirrel or something. >> squirrel or something. >> squirrel or something. >> Yeah. It was It was some kind of >> Yeah. It was It was some kind of >> Yeah. It was It was some kind of >> You can't You can't be a vegan and make >> You can't You can't be a vegan and make >> You can't You can't be a vegan and make that show. that show. that show. >> Right here. Right here. Let me see. Pull >> Right here. Right here. Let me see. Pull >> Right here. Right here. Let me see. Pull it. I saw one. While there has been not it. I saw one. While there has been not it. I saw one. While there has been not been confirmed strictly vegan, several been confirmed strictly vegan, several been confirmed strictly vegan, several contestants identified as vegetarian or contestants identified as vegetarian or contestants identified as vegetarian or near vegetarian. near vegetarian. near vegetarian. >> Vegetarian. I was going to say you're >> Vegetarian. I was going to say you're >> Vegetarian. I was going to say you're you become whatever when you get out you become whatever when you get out you become whatever when you get out there. I mean, you're eating squirrels there. I mean, you're eating squirrels there. I mean, you're eating squirrels normally one of the first meals they end normally one of the first meals they end normally one of the first meals they end up getting. up getting. up getting. >> Dude, they signed this guy up like, you >> Dude, they signed this guy up like, you >> Dude, they signed this guy up like, you know, they were laughing like you guys, know, they were laughing like you guys, know, they were laughing like you guys, you know, we signed up. you know, we signed up. you know, we signed up. >> If they did, it was just for TV. >> If they did, it was just for TV. >> If they did, it was just for TV. >> I don't want to kill any animals, >> I don't want to kill any animals, >> I don't want to kill any animals, >> you know. It's the LA It's one of the >> you know. It's the LA It's one of the >> you know. It's the LA It's one of the last real reality shows. last real reality shows. last real reality shows. >> Is it real? >> Is it real? >> Is it real? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Has anybody died? So they have they have >> Has anybody died? So they have they have >> Has anybody died? So they have they have medical people that come out every so medical people that come out every so medical people that come out every so many weeks and they they have to go many weeks and they they have to go many weeks and they they have to go through a full testing and they actually through a full testing and they actually through a full testing and they actually will they many of them get kicked out will they many of them get kicked out will they many of them get kicked out because because because >> I saw an episode where the guy killed a >> I saw an episode where the guy killed a >> I saw an episode where the guy killed a caribou. I don't know something like caribou. I don't know something like caribou. I don't know something like that big animal and he stored the fat that big animal and he stored the fat that big animal and he stored the fat cuz you need the fat. Yeah. cuz you need the fat. Yeah. cuz you need the fat. Yeah. >> And a wolverine got to it. >> And a wolverine got to it. >> And a wolverine got to it. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> And the poor guy all the time. >> And the poor guy all the time. >> And the poor guy all the time. >> Devastated. >> Devastated. >> Devastated. >> It's it's one of the most difficult >> It's it's one of the most difficult >> It's it's one of the most difficult parts is like you get a big game. So parts is like you get a big game. So parts is like you get a big game. So first of all first of all first of all >> Yeah. Where are you going to store it? >> Yeah. Where are you going to store it? >> Yeah. Where are you going to store it? >> The contestants that typically win are >> The contestants that typically win are >> The contestants that typically win are the ones that do get the big game, the ones that do get the big game, the ones that do get the big game, right? But they also are the ones that right? But they also are the ones that right? But they also are the ones that are able to save the fat and and keep it are able to save the fat and and keep it are able to save the fat and and keep it from the predators because all these from the predators because all these from the predators because all these little critters that get in and so they little critters that get in and so they little critters that get in and so they have to build these crazy have to build these crazy have to build these crazy >> you hang it dry it out or you smoke it >> you hang it dry it out or you smoke it >> you hang it dry it out or you smoke it or whatever it is like it's that's like or whatever it is like it's that's like or whatever it is like it's that's like a huge signal going out to like every a huge signal going out to like every a huge signal going out to like every animal that's like in vicinity. animal that's like in vicinity. animal that's like in vicinity. >> Wasn't there one where they were like in >> Wasn't there one where they were like in >> Wasn't there one where they were like in an area with uh was it polar bears? No, an area with uh was it polar bears? No, an area with uh was it polar bears? No, grizzly bears. Polar bears. grizzly bears. Polar bears. grizzly bears. Polar bears. >> Grizzly bears. I don't know if they've >> Grizzly bears. I don't know if they've >> Grizzly bears. I don't know if they've done polar bears crazy. No, you can't do done polar bears crazy. No, you can't do done polar bears crazy. No, you can't do that. Polar bear will kill you. that. Polar bear will kill you. that. Polar bear will kill you. >> They'll actually hunt you'll actually >> They'll actually hunt you'll actually >> They'll actually hunt you'll actually hunt you. Definitely grizzly bears. so hunt you. Definitely grizzly bears. so hunt you. Definitely grizzly bears. so aggressive. aggressive. aggressive. >> Grizzly bears, moose, wolverines, uh, >> Grizzly bears, moose, wolverines, uh, >> Grizzly bears, moose, wolverines, uh, wolves, all of it. wolves, all of it. wolves, all of it. >> I saw this one guy, he was in one of >> I saw this one guy, he was in one of >> I saw this one guy, he was in one of those like observation. It was like a those like observation. It was like a those like observation. It was like a plexiglass observation like thing plexiglass observation like thing plexiglass observation like thing supposedly safe and a polar bear was supposedly safe and a polar bear was supposedly safe and a polar bear was like walked up, came up and was like, I like walked up, came up and was like, I like walked up, came up and was like, I was trying to get in and the guy's in was trying to get in and the guy's in was trying to get in and the guy's in there. I'd be terrified. Like, man, if there. I'd be terrified. Like, man, if there. I'd be terrified. Like, man, if he figures this out, I'm dead. he figures this out, I'm dead. he figures this out, I'm dead. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What would be more terrifying? Polar >> What would be more terrifying? Polar >> What would be more terrifying? Polar bear trying to get into your plexiglass bear trying to get into your plexiglass bear trying to get into your plexiglass or a great white shark trying to get or a great white shark trying to get or a great white shark trying to get into your your cage? into your your cage? into your your cage? >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> which one's more terrifying? >> which one's more terrifying? >> which one's more terrifying? >> Great white shark. cuz I can't swim. >> Great white shark. cuz I can't swim. >> Great white shark. cuz I can't swim. >> I agree. I think I I feel like the shark >> I agree. I think I I feel like the shark >> I agree. I think I I feel like the shark I feel like there's a a there's a I I I feel like there's a a there's a I I I feel like there's a a there's a I I think there's a slim chance I get away think there's a slim chance I get away think there's a slim chance I get away from the polar. There's no chance I'm from the polar. There's no chance I'm from the polar. There's no chance I'm swimming away from the shark. swimming away from the shark. swimming away from the shark. >> Well, I don't know. I just feel like >> Well, I don't know. I just feel like >> Well, I don't know. I just feel like >> is that right? Don't you guys think >> is that right? Don't you guys think >> is that right? Don't you guys think that's it? That's the logic. that's it? That's the logic. that's it? That's the logic. >> Like you could just throw blast the >> Like you could just throw blast the >> Like you could just throw blast the shark and just hope for the best. You shark and just hope for the best. You shark and just hope for the best. You can't do anything to the freaking bear. can't do anything to the freaking bear. can't do anything to the freaking bear. >> A polar bear will eat you. >> A polar bear will eat you. >> A polar bear will eat you. >> It will maul you and just die. >> It will maul you and just die. >> It will maul you and just die. >> It actually doesn't kill you. It just >> It actually doesn't kill you. It just >> It actually doesn't kill you. It just starts eating you. starts eating you. starts eating you. >> Oh god. >> Oh god. >> Oh god. >> Did you know that? >> Did you know that? >> Did you know that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't kill you almost shark or >> It doesn't kill you almost shark or >> It doesn't kill you almost shark or polar bear. Definitely a shark is more polar bear. Definitely a shark is more polar bear. Definitely a shark is more scary for me. scary for me. scary for me. >> I mean, that's scary, but >> I mean, that's scary, but >> I mean, that's scary, but >> So, you're the only You're the only >> So, you're the only You're the only >> So, you're the only You're the only shark. shark. shark. >> I I'll go shark, dude. >> I I'll go shark, dude. >> I I'll go shark, dude. >> There was just There was just a video. >> There was just There was just a video. >> There was just There was just a video. Where was it? Where was it? Where was it? >> My odds are like slightly better. >> My odds are like slightly better. >> My odds are like slightly better. >> Where was it? It's It's around here, >> Where was it? It's It's around here, >> Where was it? It's It's around here, Justin, where there was a There was a a Justin, where there was a There was a a Justin, where there was a There was a a great white that was just swimming great white that was just swimming great white that was just swimming around. Oh, here. Around the marina. around. Oh, here. Around the marina. around. Oh, here. Around the marina. >> Well, just swimming around the marina. >> Well, just swimming around the marina. >> Well, just swimming around the marina. >> Here, there a few shark attacks. There's >> Here, there a few shark attacks. There's >> Here, there a few shark attacks. There's one recent one that uh was in one recent one that uh was in one recent one that uh was in >> He's just swimming around. >> He's just swimming around. >> He's just swimming around. >> It was in Monterey or Carmel. >> It was in Monterey or Carmel. >> It was in Monterey or Carmel. >> Sure. You better don't check that. >> Sure. You better don't check that. >> Sure. You better don't check that. >> See if it's real. It's >> See if it's real. It's >> See if it's real. It's >> probably >> probably >> probably >> This lady was like, >> This lady was like, >> This lady was like, >> "Look at the comments." >> "Look at the comments." >> "Look at the comments." >> No, it's Marina, bro. >> No, it's Marina, bro. >> No, it's Marina, bro. >> This is real. >> This is real. >> This is real. >> Marina over where I used to live. >> Marina over where I used to live. >> Marina over where I used to live. >> San Francisco. Look, look, it's just >> San Francisco. Look, look, it's just >> San Francisco. Look, look, it's just swimming around. swimming around. swimming around. >> Oh, Marina that way. Okay. >> Oh, Marina that way. Okay. >> Oh, Marina that way. Okay. >> Oh, hell no. >> Oh, hell no. >> Oh, hell no. >> Uh, yeah. I mean, she's gone though. >> Uh, yeah. I mean, she's gone though. >> Uh, yeah. I mean, she's gone though. Like, like they like there's one lady Like, like they like there's one lady Like, like they like there's one lady that actually got eaten and she's gone. that actually got eaten and she's gone. that actually got eaten and she's gone. >> Eaten like fully eaten. >> Eaten like fully eaten. >> Eaten like fully eaten. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I thought even do that. >> I thought even do that. >> I thought even do that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Depends how delicious you were. >> Depends how delicious you were. >> Depends how delicious you were. >> Justin would get eaten. Super like >> Justin would get eaten. Super like >> Justin would get eaten. Super like Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. He tastes like Reese's peanut butter. He tastes like Reese's peanut butter. He tastes like Reese's peanut butter. >> It's like very infrequent. >> It's like very infrequent. >> It's like very infrequent. >> He's the white he's the white you >> He's the white he's the white you >> He's the white he's the white you mean like mean like mean like >> this is like Reese's peanut butter cup. >> this is like Reese's peanut butter cup. >> this is like Reese's peanut butter cup. Damn the marbling. This is Damn the marbling. This is Damn the marbling. This is >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Hey Fred, come over here. >> Hey Fred, come over here. >> Hey Fred, come over here. >> If you catch me at the right time but >> If you catch me at the right time but >> If you catch me at the right time but he's not afraid of us. Get him. Yeah. he's not afraid of us. Get him. Yeah. he's not afraid of us. Get him. 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So, I'm a >> I'm going to dive in. Okay. So, I'm a >> I'm going to dive in. Okay. So, I'm a 56-year-old female who's been lifting 56-year-old female who's been lifting 56-year-old female who's been lifting since the age of 17. After having two since the age of 17. After having two since the age of 17. After having two children in my early 30s, I began children in my early 30s, I began children in my early 30s, I began lifting regularly at age 39. At age 49, lifting regularly at age 39. At age 49, lifting regularly at age 39. At age 49, I did my first figure show. At age 53 I did my first figure show. At age 53 I did my first figure show. At age 53 during my fifth show, I won my natural during my fifth show, I won my natural during my fifth show, I won my natural pro card. pro card. pro card. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> During my years of competing, I earned a >> During my years of competing, I earned a >> During my years of competing, I earned a certification for nutrition uh coaching. certification for nutrition uh coaching. certification for nutrition uh coaching. That being relevant, and that I think I That being relevant, and that I think I That being relevant, and that I think I approach food restriction with every approach food restriction with every approach food restriction with every competition with a good mindset, competition with a good mindset, competition with a good mindset, understanding that competition uh understanding that competition uh understanding that competition uh competing is choice and a and privilege, competing is choice and a and privilege, competing is choice and a and privilege, not a sacrifice. not a sacrifice. not a sacrifice. I love the challenge of prep and seeing I love the challenge of prep and seeing I love the challenge of prep and seeing how it changes the composition of my how it changes the composition of my how it changes the composition of my physique much more so than the physique much more so than the physique much more so than the competition itself. I continue to think competition itself. I continue to think competition itself. I continue to think about doing another show, potentially about doing another show, potentially about doing another show, potentially doing them as long as possible since now doing them as long as possible since now doing them as long as possible since now that I'm older, I hope to continue that I'm older, I hope to continue that I'm older, I hope to continue inspiring other women to lift weights. inspiring other women to lift weights. inspiring other women to lift weights. I currently lift daily, approximately 60 I currently lift daily, approximately 60 I currently lift daily, approximately 60 minutes. It's part of my routine that minutes. It's part of my routine that minutes. It's part of my routine that makes me happy. I miss it if I don't go, makes me happy. I miss it if I don't go, makes me happy. I miss it if I don't go, but I don't stress if life gets in the but I don't stress if life gets in the but I don't stress if life gets in the way. I just view it as an unavoidable way. I just view it as an unavoidable way. I just view it as an unavoidable break. Over the past year, I've gotten break. Over the past year, I've gotten break. Over the past year, I've gotten bored with generic lifting and have bored with generic lifting and have bored with generic lifting and have recently been exposed to powerlifting. recently been exposed to powerlifting. recently been exposed to powerlifting. Listening to your podcast regularly, I'm Listening to your podcast regularly, I'm Listening to your podcast regularly, I'm now at the point where I'd like to carve now at the point where I'd like to carve now at the point where I'd like to carve out a six to 8 week period and focus out a six to 8 week period and focus out a six to 8 week period and focus solely on everything your group solely on everything your group solely on everything your group discusses, strength, flexibility, power, discusses, strength, flexibility, power, discusses, strength, flexibility, power, etc., while still building a symmetrical etc., while still building a symmetrical etc., while still building a symmetrical physique for the stage. I've never physique for the stage. I've never physique for the stage. I've never followed a purchase program. I've always followed a purchase program. I've always followed a purchase program. I've always taught myself and created my own splits. taught myself and created my own splits. taught myself and created my own splits. So my question, can you recommend the So my question, can you recommend the So my question, can you recommend the best mind pump program I should be using best mind pump program I should be using best mind pump program I should be using to take me to the next level, to take me to the next level, to take me to the next level, potentially gearing up to enter another potentially gearing up to enter another potentially gearing up to enter another cut for another show with a more cut for another show with a more cut for another show with a more athletic physique. athletic physique. athletic physique. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I got a few I got a few ideas >> Yeah. I got a few I got a few ideas >> Yeah. I got a few I got a few ideas around this, by the way. Great job. around this, by the way. Great job. around this, by the way. Great job. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Very good job. And you look super >> Yeah. Very good job. And you look super >> Yeah. Very good job. And you look super vibrant and healthy. vibrant and healthy. vibrant and healthy. >> So this is Yeah, this is great. >> So this is Yeah, this is great. >> So this is Yeah, this is great. I feel good. And I'll add to that that I feel good. And I'll add to that that I feel good. And I'll add to that that I'm proud to be 56 and I I feel like I'm I'm proud to be 56 and I I feel like I'm I'm proud to be 56 and I I feel like I'm 30. Yeah. I feel like I'm younger than 30. Yeah. I feel like I'm younger than 30. Yeah. I feel like I'm younger than 30 because I didn't feel 30. 30 because I didn't feel 30. 30 because I didn't feel 30. >> Yeah. Well, you you look really vibrant >> Yeah. Well, you you look really vibrant >> Yeah. Well, you you look really vibrant and healthy. You know what I love about and healthy. You know what I love about and healthy. You know what I love about uh people who are doing it right uh with uh people who are doing it right uh with uh people who are doing it right uh with fitness is uh they love to tell their fitness is uh they love to tell their fitness is uh they love to tell their age age age >> uh because you just feel so good. You >> uh because you just feel so good. You >> uh because you just feel so good. You know, a lot of times women are like, I know, a lot of times women are like, I know, a lot of times women are like, I don't want to tell you how old I am, but don't want to tell you how old I am, but don't want to tell you how old I am, but uh I love that fitness people are the uh I love that fitness people are the uh I love that fitness people are the first thing out of their mouth is like, first thing out of their mouth is like, first thing out of their mouth is like, hey, guess what? you know. hey, guess what? you know. hey, guess what? you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, that's awesome. Okay. So, I have a >> So, that's awesome. Okay. So, I have a >> So, that's awesome. Okay. So, I have a few ideas around this. Um, now because few ideas around this. Um, now because few ideas around this. Um, now because you want to compete you want to compete you want to compete >> and there's an aesthetic component. Um, >> and there's an aesthetic component. Um, >> and there's an aesthetic component. Um, I have one idea for a program, but then I have one idea for a program, but then I have one idea for a program, but then I have another program that's more I have another program that's more I have another program that's more unconventional unconventional unconventional uh that you might find a lot that that's uh that you might find a lot that that's uh that you might find a lot that that's going to be fun for you and that's going going to be fun for you and that's going going to be fun for you and that's going to train you a little differently. Okay. to train you a little differently. Okay. to train you a little differently. Okay. Either one I think you would enjoy. Uh, Either one I think you would enjoy. Uh, Either one I think you would enjoy. Uh, when is your next competition? I think when is your next competition? I think when is your next competition? I think that'll help me. that'll help me. that'll help me. So, you know, I don't have anything So, you know, I don't have anything So, you know, I don't have anything specific in mind. My oldest son has his specific in mind. My oldest son has his specific in mind. My oldest son has his natural pro card, too. And we've never natural pro card, too. And we've never natural pro card, too. And we've never done a show together. We've talked about done a show together. We've talked about done a show together. We've talked about it, but I just it, but I just it, but I just >> I we we've batted around the end of the >> I we we've batted around the end of the >> I we we've batted around the end of the summer. summer. summer. >> Okay. Oh, so end of this summer. >> Okay. Oh, so end of this summer. >> Okay. Oh, so end of this summer. >> I'm I'm flexible. I mean, I' I've >> I'm I'm flexible. I mean, I' I've >> I'm I'm flexible. I mean, I' I've learned the long way that just because learned the long way that just because learned the long way that just because you think you're ready doesn't mean you think you're ready doesn't mean you think you're ready doesn't mean necessarily mean that you're ready. necessarily mean that you're ready. necessarily mean that you're ready. >> That's a good That's a good answer. >> That's a good That's a good answer. >> That's a good That's a good answer. That's a good answer. That's a good answer. That's a good answer. >> Yeah, I have I have all the time in the >> Yeah, I have I have all the time in the >> Yeah, I have I have all the time in the world. world. world. >> Okay. Well, so I have a program called >> Okay. Well, so I have a program called >> Okay. Well, so I have a program called MAPS strong. It's going to be very MAPS strong. It's going to be very MAPS strong. It's going to be very different from what you're used to. Um, different from what you're used to. Um, different from what you're used to. Um, and I think you would have a lot of fun and I think you would have a lot of fun and I think you would have a lot of fun training with it. A lot of posterior training with it. A lot of posterior training with it. A lot of posterior chain focus. So, you know, as far as chain focus. So, you know, as far as chain focus. So, you know, as far as development's concerned, development's concerned, development's concerned, >> you're going to see a lot of back, >> you're going to see a lot of back, >> you're going to see a lot of back, shoulders, and glutes shoulders, and glutes shoulders, and glutes >> from that program. >> from that program. >> from that program. >> Um, but it's not a, you know, you know, >> Um, but it's not a, you know, you know, >> Um, but it's not a, you know, you know, bodybuilding physique, you know, stage bodybuilding physique, you know, stage bodybuilding physique, you know, stage presentation type of program. Uh it's presentation type of program. Uh it's presentation type of program. Uh it's it's it's there's a more of an athletic it's it's there's a more of an athletic it's it's there's a more of an athletic component. There's some stamina component. There's some stamina component. There's some stamina involved. Uh but it's still a strength involved. Uh but it's still a strength involved. Uh but it's still a strength program. On the other hand, I have program. On the other hand, I have program. On the other hand, I have something called map symmetry, which is something called map symmetry, which is something called map symmetry, which is going to be it's going to have the going to be it's going to have the going to be it's going to have the aesthetic component you're looking for. aesthetic component you're looking for. aesthetic component you're looking for. And it's it's probably different from And it's it's probably different from And it's it's probably different from what you're used to because the first uh what you're used to because the first uh what you're used to because the first uh few phases or couple phases is like all few phases or couple phases is like all few phases or couple phases is like all unilateral training. It's all uh one unilateral training. It's all uh one unilateral training. It's all uh one side and then train the other in side and then train the other in side and then train the other in different uh forms and varieties. And if different uh forms and varieties. And if different uh forms and varieties. And if you've never done long blocks of that, you've never done long blocks of that, you've never done long blocks of that, uh you'll definitely see some nice uh you'll definitely see some nice uh you'll definitely see some nice balance and symmetry uh coming out of balance and symmetry uh coming out of balance and symmetry uh coming out of that. So you'll you'll you'll identify that. So you'll you'll you'll identify that. So you'll you'll you'll identify weaknesses from right to left and then weaknesses from right to left and then weaknesses from right to left and then you'll get some balance out of it. And you'll get some balance out of it. And you'll get some balance out of it. And it's more uh bodybuilding than map it's more uh bodybuilding than map it's more uh bodybuilding than map strong. So it just depends on which one strong. So it just depends on which one strong. So it just depends on which one appeals to you more. I say appeals to you more. I say appeals to you more. I say >> I I I'll tell you I prefer strong and >> I I I'll tell you I prefer strong and >> I I I'll tell you I prefer strong and I'll tell you why. Um have how much of I'll tell you why. Um have how much of I'll tell you why. Um have how much of my uh competing journey have you heard my uh competing journey have you heard my uh competing journey have you heard me talk about on the show? Have you me talk about on the show? Have you me talk about on the show? Have you heard much me have you heard me talk heard much me have you heard me talk heard much me have you heard me talk about it much? I I have heard you talk about it much? I I have heard you talk about it much? I I have heard you talk about it. I know you I know you guys about it. I know you I know you guys about it. I know you I know you guys have mixed feelings about it. That's why have mixed feelings about it. That's why have mixed feelings about it. That's why I did want to put out there that that I I did want to put out there that that I I did want to put out there that that I kind of I think I view it with a good kind of I think I view it with a good kind of I think I view it with a good mindset. mindset. mindset. >> Oh, I think you do, too. I think you're >> Oh, I think you do, too. I think you're >> Oh, I think you do, too. I think you're I think you're an excellent uh I know we I think you're an excellent uh I know we I think you're an excellent uh I know we >> we deter a lot of people from competing. >> we deter a lot of people from competing. >> we deter a lot of people from competing. I think you have a very healthy mindset I think you have a very healthy mindset I think you have a very healthy mindset and balance around it and I think you and balance around it and I think you and balance around it and I think you look great and I think that's why you look great and I think that's why you look great and I think that's why you look great is because you have a good look great is because you have a good look great is because you have a good relationship with it. So, I think you're relationship with it. So, I think you're relationship with it. So, I think you're would be a blast to train through this. would be a blast to train through this. would be a blast to train through this. Um, what I wanted to share with you was Um, what I wanted to share with you was Um, what I wanted to share with you was my most of my lifting career I trained my most of my lifting career I trained my most of my lifting career I trained even though I wasn't a bodybuilder. I even though I wasn't a bodybuilder. I even though I wasn't a bodybuilder. I trained that way. Did my own splits trained that way. Did my own splits trained that way. Did my own splits programmed like that. One of the best programmed like that. One of the best programmed like that. One of the best packages or physiques I brought to stage packages or physiques I brought to stage packages or physiques I brought to stage was when I on the off season trained was when I on the off season trained was when I on the off season trained like a powerlter like completely let go like a powerlter like completely let go like a powerlter like completely let go of my kind of bodybuilding focus split. of my kind of bodybuilding focus split. of my kind of bodybuilding focus split. And yet, even though it's not a quote And yet, even though it's not a quote And yet, even though it's not a quote unquote bodybuilding program, unquote bodybuilding program, unquote bodybuilding program, I got the greatest gains in muscle I'd I got the greatest gains in muscle I'd I got the greatest gains in muscle I'd ever seen on on my back and my legs and ever seen on on my back and my legs and ever seen on on my back and my legs and my should it was just it was incredible. my should it was just it was incredible. my should it was just it was incredible. And so, uh, even though MAPS quote And so, uh, even though MAPS quote And so, uh, even though MAPS quote strong is not quote unquote a strong is not quote unquote a strong is not quote unquote a bodybuilder program, I think lifting bodybuilder program, I think lifting bodybuilder program, I think lifting that way in the offseason in a calorie that way in the offseason in a calorie that way in the offseason in a calorie surplus will bring you the best physique surplus will bring you the best physique surplus will bring you the best physique you've yet brought to stage. Now, it's you've yet brought to stage. Now, it's you've yet brought to stage. Now, it's it's not even a powerlifting program, it's not even a powerlifting program, it's not even a powerlifting program, but so some of the lifts you might not but so some of the lifts you might not but so some of the lifts you might not even be familiar with. Uh, but it is a even be familiar with. Uh, but it is a even be familiar with. Uh, but it is a strength program. So, the goal really strength program. So, the goal really strength program. So, the goal really it's it's it's >> it's trained uh it's designed in a way >> it's trained uh it's designed in a way >> it's trained uh it's designed in a way for somebody who competes in strongman for somebody who competes in strongman for somebody who competes in strongman competitions. So, the lifts so the lifts competitions. So, the lifts so the lifts competitions. So, the lifts so the lifts are kind of around that and there is an are kind of around that and there is an are kind of around that and there is an athletic component, but I can guarantee athletic component, but I can guarantee athletic component, but I can guarantee there's going to be quite a few lifts there's going to be quite a few lifts there's going to be quite a few lifts and and exercise in there that you and and exercise in there that you and and exercise in there that you probably either haven't done or haven't probably either haven't done or haven't probably either haven't done or haven't programmed. But bodywise, it's a lot of programmed. But bodywise, it's a lot of programmed. But bodywise, it's a lot of posterior chain and shoulders, a lot of posterior chain and shoulders, a lot of posterior chain and shoulders, a lot of back, glutes, and delts is what you'll back, glutes, and delts is what you'll back, glutes, and delts is what you'll get. get. get. >> It'll be it'll be an awesome program. >> It'll be it'll be an awesome program. >> It'll be it'll be an awesome program. And and you know, remember too, like you And and you know, remember too, like you And and you know, remember too, like you what you bring to stage is done in the what you bring to stage is done in the what you bring to stage is done in the off season. Like uh you already have a off season. Like uh you already have a off season. Like uh you already have a great muscle balance. Like you could great muscle balance. Like you could great muscle balance. Like you could probably diet right now and get ready probably diet right now and get ready probably diet right now and get ready and and present yourself again on on and and present yourself again on on and and present yourself again on on stage and look great again. what will stage and look great again. what will stage and look great again. what will really change or bring a better version really change or bring a better version really change or bring a better version of your physique is to do something that of your physique is to do something that of your physique is to do something that you don't normally do to add muscle in you don't normally do to add muscle in you don't normally do to add muscle in places that you've never added muscle places that you've never added muscle places that you've never added muscle before. And so doing something like a before. And so doing something like a before. And so doing something like a MAP strong I think will will will bring MAP strong I think will will will bring MAP strong I think will will will bring something unique and different that I something unique and different that I something unique and different that I think you'll really really like. Uh it think you'll really really like. Uh it think you'll really really like. Uh it was one of the best things that I ever was one of the best things that I ever was one of the best things that I ever did in my bodybuilding career was to did in my bodybuilding career was to did in my bodybuilding career was to kind of focus over on the powerlifting kind of focus over on the powerlifting kind of focus over on the powerlifting and the strong type of training which and the strong type of training which and the strong type of training which was so unique to me and so not focused was so unique to me and so not focused was so unique to me and so not focused bodybuilder and yet here I then I bring bodybuilder and yet here I then I bring bodybuilder and yet here I then I bring the best version of my body to stage and the best version of my body to stage and the best version of my body to stage and I think because you're such an I think because you're such an I think because you're such an experienced lifter and competitor I experienced lifter and competitor I experienced lifter and competitor I think you'll get similar benefits by think you'll get similar benefits by think you'll get similar benefits by focusing that way. So, I would do focusing that way. So, I would do focusing that way. So, I would do strong. I would do it in a calorie strong. I would do it in a calorie strong. I would do it in a calorie surplus to to build. And then after you surplus to to build. And then after you surplus to to build. And then after you get get done with strong, then where get get done with strong, then where get get done with strong, then where you're at from there, then you plan your you're at from there, then you plan your you're at from there, then you plan your show. Like, okay, now I'm going to go show. Like, okay, now I'm going to go show. Like, okay, now I'm going to go back to like a split or go to a MAPS back to like a split or go to a MAPS back to like a split or go to a MAPS aesthetic type of program and then start aesthetic type of program and then start aesthetic type of program and then start my my diet heading into the stage. For my my diet heading into the stage. For my my diet heading into the stage. For >> for sure, it'll be fun. If you're >> for sure, it'll be fun. If you're >> for sure, it'll be fun. If you're getting, you know, if you've been doing getting, you know, if you've been doing getting, you know, if you've been doing traditional strength training, you know, traditional strength training, you know, traditional strength training, you know, kind of bodybuilding style, powerlifting kind of bodybuilding style, powerlifting kind of bodybuilding style, powerlifting style for a while, uh, it'll be and style for a while, uh, it'll be and style for a while, uh, it'll be and you're like, I want to try something you're like, I want to try something you're like, I want to try something different, you'll find it fun. It'll be different, you'll find it fun. It'll be different, you'll find it fun. It'll be enjoyable. enjoyable. enjoyable. >> It It sounds fun. I think that that's >> It It sounds fun. I think that that's >> It It sounds fun. I think that that's exactly I'm surprised that you guys are exactly I'm surprised that you guys are exactly I'm surprised that you guys are suggesting something that is exciting. suggesting something that is exciting. suggesting something that is exciting. Me. Me. Me. >> Yeah. Cool. >> Yeah. Cool. >> Yeah. Cool. >> I unsure about all the programs and I >> I unsure about all the programs and I >> I unsure about all the programs and I probably never I never would have went probably never I never would have went probably never I never would have went for that one. for that one. for that one. >> Okay, cool. It's one of our most popular >> Okay, cool. It's one of our most popular >> Okay, cool. It's one of our most popular programs, especially with women uh who programs, especially with women uh who programs, especially with women uh who have uh strength training background. have uh strength training background. have uh strength training background. >> They always report back and they go, >> They always report back and they go, >> They always report back and they go, "Oh, this is one this is my favorite "Oh, this is one this is my favorite "Oh, this is one this is my favorite program." program." program." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, great. >> Oh, great. >> Oh, great. >> Yeah. You're going to love the results >> Yeah. You're going to love the results >> Yeah. You're going to love the results from it. We'll send that we'll send that from it. We'll send that we'll send that from it. We'll send that we'll send that over over to you. And it's uh it's 12 over over to you. And it's uh it's 12 over over to you. And it's uh it's 12 weeks, I believe. weeks, I believe. weeks, I believe. >> Yeah. Yeah. 12 weeks. >> Yeah. Yeah. 12 weeks. >> Yeah. Yeah. 12 weeks. >> So, runs trust the process to remind you >> So, runs trust the process to remind you >> So, runs trust the process to remind you that trust the process. Run it because that trust the process. Run it because that trust the process. Run it because that's the one thing, you know, when you that's the one thing, you know, when you that's the one thing, you know, when you got a trainer brain, you get in your own got a trainer brain, you get in your own got a trainer brain, you get in your own way and you start, oh, let me change way and you start, oh, let me change way and you start, oh, let me change this or add that. this or add that. this or add that. >> Yeah. have have faith in us uh that that >> Yeah. have have faith in us uh that that >> Yeah. have have faith in us uh that that we got you and you'll be very happy. we got you and you'll be very happy. we got you and you'll be very happy. >> And you you know you you you you know >> And you you know you you you you know >> And you you know you you you you know this already but just going to confer this already but just going to confer this already but just going to confer like when you do new movements, new like when you do new movements, new like when you do new movements, new exercises or or exercises in new ways, exercises or or exercises in new ways, exercises or or exercises in new ways, start start light, go easy and learn start start light, go easy and learn start start light, go easy and learn them before you push it because there them before you push it because there them before you push it because there going to be a lot of new stuff that you going to be a lot of new stuff that you going to be a lot of new stuff that you probably haven't done. probably haven't done. probably haven't done. >> Yeah, the work capacity days you might >> Yeah, the work capacity days you might >> Yeah, the work capacity days you might want to, you know, gauge based on like want to, you know, gauge based on like want to, you know, gauge based on like how you recover from that as well. So how you recover from that as well. So how you recover from that as well. So that that's something that's a little that that's something that's a little that that's something that's a little more different and intense, but it's more different and intense, but it's more different and intense, but it's it's also a lot of fun. So it's also a lot of fun. So it's also a lot of fun. So >> yeah. Yeah, you know, I think you know >> yeah. Yeah, you know, I think you know >> yeah. Yeah, you know, I think you know what you're doing. So, it'll be cool. what you're doing. So, it'll be cool. what you're doing. So, it'll be cool. I'd love to have you back on just I'd love to have you back on just I'd love to have you back on just afterwards to get get your review. afterwards to get get your review. afterwards to get get your review. >> That would be great. And you know what? >> That would be great. And you know what? >> That would be great. And you know what? I'm I'm too old to be hurting myself, so I'm I'm too old to be hurting myself, so I'm I'm too old to be hurting myself, so I do always go into things until I learn I do always go into things until I learn I do always go into things until I learn the movements. So, that sounds that the movements. So, that sounds that the movements. So, that sounds that sounds fantastic. Thank you. sounds fantastic. Thank you. sounds fantastic. Thank you. >> You got it. We'll send it over to you. >> You got it. We'll send it over to you. >> You got it. We'll send it over to you. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> All right. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> She's got a great attitude. Uh this is >> She's got a great attitude. Uh this is >> She's got a great attitude. Uh this is one of the examples I give uh when I one of the examples I give uh when I one of the examples I give uh when I talk about how being fit um and you know talk about how being fit um and you know talk about how being fit um and you know prioritizing health and fitness how much prioritizing health and fitness how much prioritizing health and fitness how much you diverge from people in your age you diverge from people in your age you diverge from people in your age group as you continue to age. I mean group as you continue to age. I mean group as you continue to age. I mean she's still she's not old she's still she's not old she's still she's not old >> but she's at the age now where you know >> but she's at the age now where you know >> but she's at the age now where you know what is she 54 she said you put her next what is she 54 she said you put her next what is she 54 she said you put her next to a group of typical 54 year old women to a group of typical 54 year old women to a group of typical 54 year old women and it's like and it's like and it's like >> her peers. Yeah. >> her peers. Yeah. >> her peers. Yeah. >> I also want to highlight she didn't >> I also want to highlight she didn't >> I also want to highlight she didn't start until she was 40. start until she was 40. start until she was 40. >> Yeah. So you know that that she 39 years >> Yeah. So you know that that she 39 years >> Yeah. So you know that that she 39 years old just turning 40 when she started old just turning 40 when she started old just turning 40 when she started lifting weights. lifting weights. lifting weights. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So how much you can do later in your >> So how much you can do later in your >> So how much you can do later in your life too. So many people think you're at life too. So many people think you're at life too. So many people think you're at an age it's like oh and you know so an age it's like oh and you know so an age it's like oh and you know so she's 54 years old and I'm pretty sure she's 54 years old and I'm pretty sure she's 54 years old and I'm pretty sure she'd say I'm in the best shape of my she'd say I'm in the best shape of my she'd say I'm in the best shape of my life life life >> at 54 which is pretty rad. >> at 54 which is pretty rad. >> at 54 which is pretty rad. >> Yeah. And I mean even one thing I notic >> Yeah. And I mean even one thing I notic >> Yeah. And I mean even one thing I notic her her hair looks so healthy and this her her hair looks so healthy and this her her hair looks so healthy and this is it like good nutrition, good is it like good nutrition, good is it like good nutrition, good exercise. It's just it's far beyond just exercise. It's just it's far beyond just exercise. It's just it's far beyond just muscle and body fat. It affects the muscle and body fat. It affects the muscle and body fat. It affects the whole body. Our next caller is Sam from whole body. Our next caller is Sam from whole body. Our next caller is Sam from Kentucky. Kentucky. Kentucky. >> What's up, Sam? What's up, Sam? >> What's up, Sam? What's up, Sam? >> What's up, Sam? What's up, Sam? >> Hey guys, how's it going? >> Hey guys, how's it going? >> Hey guys, how's it going? >> Uh, good, good. I just wanted to say >> Uh, good, good. I just wanted to say >> Uh, good, good. I just wanted to say thank you to you guys. Um, found you thank you to you guys. Um, found you thank you to you guys. Um, found you guys about 6 months ago. I listen to guys about 6 months ago. I listen to guys about 6 months ago. I listen to every episode now. Um, you know, I was every episode now. Um, you know, I was every episode now. Um, you know, I was on a call with this is more of a a on a call with this is more of a a on a call with this is more of a a follow-up call. I was on a call with you follow-up call. I was on a call with you follow-up call. I was on a call with you a couple months ago. You coached me a couple months ago. You coached me a couple months ago. You coached me towards running maps powerlift 15, and towards running maps powerlift 15, and towards running maps powerlift 15, and honestly, it's been incredible. Um, so honestly, it's been incredible. Um, so honestly, it's been incredible. Um, so for context, I've been on Tzepide since for context, I've been on Tzepide since for context, I've been on Tzepide since last summer. I'm currently down from 340 last summer. I'm currently down from 340 last summer. I'm currently down from 340 lb to 270 lb. Um, currently around lb to 270 lb. Um, currently around lb to 270 lb. Um, currently around 35ish% body fat. Um, I attach a before 35ish% body fat. Um, I attach a before 35ish% body fat. Um, I attach a before and current picture for you guys. Um, and current picture for you guys. Um, and current picture for you guys. Um, one of the biggest breakthroughs is you one of the biggest breakthroughs is you one of the biggest breakthroughs is you guys coached me towards increasing my guys coached me towards increasing my guys coached me towards increasing my calories. I was at about 2,200 and you calories. I was at about 2,200 and you calories. I was at about 2,200 and you said get it over 2500 and I've been said get it over 2500 and I've been said get it over 2500 and I've been losing weight at really the same rate. losing weight at really the same rate. losing weight at really the same rate. Um Um Um >> hell yeah. >> hell yeah. >> hell yeah. >> And even from 340 to 270 I've actually >> And even from 340 to 270 I've actually >> And even from 340 to 270 I've actually gained um lean body mass in that time. gained um lean body mass in that time. gained um lean body mass in that time. So So So >> hell yeah. >> hell yeah. >> hell yeah. >> If I recall when we had you on uh you >> If I recall when we had you on uh you >> If I recall when we had you on uh you were you're we told you to reduce your were you're we told you to reduce your were you're we told you to reduce your volume and bump your calories cuz it volume and bump your calories cuz it volume and bump your calories cuz it kind kind of had gotten to a place where kind kind of had gotten to a place where kind kind of had gotten to a place where you're a bit what we thought would like you're a bit what we thought would like you're a bit what we thought would like overtrained a little burnt out and you overtrained a little burnt out and you overtrained a little burnt out and you weren't getting the the results. So, weren't getting the the results. So, weren't getting the the results. So, since doing powerlift 15 and bumping since doing powerlift 15 and bumping since doing powerlift 15 and bumping your calories, you've gained muscle, your calories, you've gained muscle, your calories, you've gained muscle, gotten stronger, I'm assuming. gotten stronger, I'm assuming. gotten stronger, I'm assuming. >> Yeah. So, I like I do barbell bench or >> Yeah. So, I like I do barbell bench or >> Yeah. So, I like I do barbell bench or dumbbell benching instead of regular dumbbell benching instead of regular dumbbell benching instead of regular benching just cuz benching just cuz benching just cuz >> I'm scared I'm going to fail and I don't >> I'm scared I'm going to fail and I don't >> I'm scared I'm going to fail and I don't have a spotter at the gym and like I'm have a spotter at the gym and like I'm have a spotter at the gym and like I'm I'm one of those guys who like likes to I'm one of those guys who like likes to I'm one of those guys who like likes to push my limits and get as close to push my limits and get as close to push my limits and get as close to failure as possible. So, my dumbbell failure as possible. So, my dumbbell failure as possible. So, my dumbbell bench has gone from 90 lbs in each hand bench has gone from 90 lbs in each hand bench has gone from 90 lbs in each hand to 110 in each hand. Wow. to 110 in each hand. Wow. to 110 in each hand. Wow. >> Yeah, bro. >> Yeah, bro. >> Yeah, bro. >> Sick. >> Sick. >> Sick. >> That's great, dude. >> That's great, dude. >> That's great, dude. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, and right now I'm I'm on the >> So, and right now I'm I'm on the >> So, and right now I'm I'm on the overhead press part of it, but my squat overhead press part of it, but my squat overhead press part of it, but my squat got a lot stronger in uh in the second got a lot stronger in uh in the second got a lot stronger in uh in the second month as well. So, um, it's definitely month as well. So, um, it's definitely month as well. So, um, it's definitely been it was an adjustment at first been it was an adjustment at first been it was an adjustment at first because like I used to play football and because like I used to play football and because like I used to play football and so for me like I just like to lift so for me like I just like to lift so for me like I just like to lift >> and so for me to like drastically >> and so for me to like drastically >> and so for me to like drastically decrease my volume almost had to like decrease my volume almost had to like decrease my volume almost had to like reset my brain that I would actually reset my brain that I would actually reset my brain that I would actually >> uh I would actually get stronger with >> uh I would actually get stronger with >> uh I would actually get stronger with that much volume. that much volume. that much volume. >> Y kudos to you. That's really hard >> Y kudos to you. That's really hard >> Y kudos to you. That's really hard especially for exathletes. That's really especially for exathletes. That's really especially for exathletes. That's really hard to do that. they, you know, you you hard to do that. they, you know, you you hard to do that. they, you know, you you want to revert back to the old old want to revert back to the old old want to revert back to the old old football days every time you're in the football days every time you're in the football days every time you're in the gym and it's tough, too. So, the fact gym and it's tough, too. So, the fact gym and it's tough, too. So, the fact that you listened and followed the that you listened and followed the that you listened and followed the advice, I'm so glad you did because I advice, I'm so glad you did because I advice, I'm so glad you did because I I'm sure now now you're sold, right? I'm sure now now you're sold, right? I'm sure now now you're sold, right? It's like you feel it, you see it. It's like you feel it, you see it. It's like you feel it, you see it. >> What What's What are your steps at every >> What What's What are your steps at every >> What What's What are your steps at every day? Are you Are you tracking that? day? Are you Are you tracking that? day? Are you Are you tracking that? >> Yeah, about 7,000 to 9,000 a day. You >> Yeah, about 7,000 to 9,000 a day. You >> Yeah, about 7,000 to 9,000 a day. You know, I'm in Kentucky. Once it gets a know, I'm in Kentucky. Once it gets a know, I'm in Kentucky. Once it gets a little warmer, it'll get even higher little warmer, it'll get even higher little warmer, it'll get even higher because I can take walks outside. because I can take walks outside. because I can take walks outside. >> Very cool. >> Very cool. >> Very cool. >> You're in a good place. You're in a good >> You're in a good place. You're in a good >> You're in a good place. You're in a good place. You're in a nice sweet spot place. You're in a nice sweet spot place. You're in a nice sweet spot there. there. there. >> So, is your question what's your >> So, is your question what's your >> So, is your question what's your question? Do you keep going? Do you cut? question? Do you keep going? Do you cut? question? Do you keep going? Do you cut? Do you go reverse? Is that what you're Do you go reverse? Is that what you're Do you go reverse? Is that what you're asking? asking? asking? >> Yeah. Essentially, like I want to get to >> Yeah. Essentially, like I want to get to >> Yeah. Essentially, like I want to get to probably 15 to 20% body fat. My guess is probably 15 to 20% body fat. My guess is probably 15 to 20% body fat. My guess is I'll be between like 210 and 220. So, I'll be between like 210 and 220. So, I'll be between like 210 and 220. So, like do I go all the way down there or like do I go all the way down there or like do I go all the way down there or do I like before I get there reverse? do I like before I get there reverse? do I like before I get there reverse? And then cuz when I get there, I want to And then cuz when I get there, I want to And then cuz when I get there, I want to start like doing more bulking and start like doing more bulking and start like doing more bulking and cutting cycles to start really building cutting cycles to start really building cutting cycles to start really building muscle. You're right. If you're at 270 muscle. You're right. If you're at 270 muscle. You're right. If you're at 270 now and you want to drop another 60 lb now and you want to drop another 60 lb now and you want to drop another 60 lb or so, uh, and you're at 2500 calories or so, uh, and you're at 2500 calories or so, uh, and you're at 2500 calories now with MAP's power lift 15, we want to now with MAP's power lift 15, we want to now with MAP's power lift 15, we want to continue to reverse diet. So, what the continue to reverse diet. So, what the continue to reverse diet. So, what the reason why I asked you about your steps reason why I asked you about your steps reason why I asked you about your steps is I think it would be very wise to go is I think it would be very wise to go is I think it would be very wise to go up another two to 300 calories, continue up another two to 300 calories, continue up another two to 300 calories, continue training the way you're training, and training the way you're training, and training the way you're training, and then maybe bump your steps a little bit. then maybe bump your steps a little bit. then maybe bump your steps a little bit. Maybe instead of going 7 to 9, try to be Maybe instead of going 7 to 9, try to be Maybe instead of going 7 to 9, try to be around, you know, 9 to 10 uh, around, you know, 9 to 10 uh, around, you know, 9 to 10 uh, consistently. Um, and then keep going on consistently. Um, and then keep going on consistently. Um, and then keep going on that path until you get to a pretty high that path until you get to a pretty high that path until you get to a pretty high calorie place where you're like, "Wow, calorie place where you're like, "Wow, calorie place where you're like, "Wow, I'm eating a lot of food." And then you I'm eating a lot of food." And then you I'm eating a lot of food." And then you can cut from there. That'll give us a can cut from there. That'll give us a can cut from there. That'll give us a lot of runway to get you down to 210. lot of runway to get you down to 210. lot of runway to get you down to 210. Cuz if you cut right now Cuz if you cut right now Cuz if you cut right now >> at at 270, uh, I mean, I could cut you >> at at 270, uh, I mean, I could cut you >> at at 270, uh, I mean, I could cut you down to 2,000 calories. No, down to 2,000 calories. No, down to 2,000 calories. No, >> but then you're going to hit a plateau. >> but then you're going to hit a plateau. >> but then you're going to hit a plateau. >> You're a big guy. You're a big guy. >> You're a big guy. You're a big guy. >> You're a big guy. You're a big guy. You're you're about where I would You're You're you're about where I would You're You're you're about where I would You're There's two things I if I was coaching There's two things I if I was coaching There's two things I if I was coaching you and we would go like week by week is you and we would go like week by week is you and we would go like week by week is like how you're feeling cuz I actually like how you're feeling cuz I actually like how you're feeling cuz I actually think you're in a very nice sweet spot. think you're in a very nice sweet spot. think you're in a very nice sweet spot. You're probably in a place where you You're probably in a place where you You're probably in a place where you don't feel like you're starving eating don't feel like you're starving eating don't feel like you're starving eating and stuff like that. So, you probably and stuff like that. So, you probably and stuff like that. So, you probably feel satisfied. You're eating low enough feel satisfied. You're eating low enough feel satisfied. You're eating low enough calorie to where you're having this kind calorie to where you're having this kind calorie to where you're having this kind of beautiful exchange where you're still of beautiful exchange where you're still of beautiful exchange where you're still leaning out. You're even building muscle leaning out. You're even building muscle leaning out. You're even building muscle sometimes. You can kind of hang out sometimes. You can kind of hang out sometimes. You can kind of hang out there so long as that kind of keeps there so long as that kind of keeps there so long as that kind of keeps happening, but you might plateau sooner happening, but you might plateau sooner happening, but you might plateau sooner or later. And then when you do, then or later. And then when you do, then or later. And then when you do, then what S is saying is that instead of what what S is saying is that instead of what what S is saying is that instead of what most people would do, which is cut when most people would do, which is cut when most people would do, which is cut when you hit a plateau, I'd actually reverse you hit a plateau, I'd actually reverse you hit a plateau, I'd actually reverse you. I go, "Okay, let's let's keep you. I go, "Okay, let's let's keep you. I go, "Okay, let's let's keep pushing strength. let's add a couple pushing strength. let's add a couple pushing strength. let's add a couple hundred calories and see if we can hundred calories and see if we can hundred calories and see if we can actually build some more muscle and get actually build some more muscle and get actually build some more muscle and get you up to closer to like 3,000 calories you up to closer to like 3,000 calories you up to closer to like 3,000 calories and then hang at 3,000 calories for a and then hang at 3,000 calories for a and then hang at 3,000 calories for a little while trying to build strength little while trying to build strength little while trying to build strength and then go do a cut down to 25 and then and then go do a cut down to 25 and then and then go do a cut down to 25 and then watch you lean out again. watch you lean out again. watch you lean out again. >> So, that would be probably uh the advice >> So, that would be probably uh the advice >> So, that would be probably uh the advice from where you're at right now. But, if from where you're at right now. But, if from where you're at right now. But, if you're if you're continuing to see you're if you're continuing to see you're if you're continuing to see strength gains, you're leaning out and strength gains, you're leaning out and strength gains, you're leaning out and and also seeing some muscle being built and also seeing some muscle being built and also seeing some muscle being built a little bit, you're kind of in the a little bit, you're kind of in the a little bit, you're kind of in the Goldilock zone. And so I'd kind of hang Goldilock zone. And so I'd kind of hang Goldilock zone. And so I'd kind of hang there for as as long as you can. Uh if there for as as long as you can. Uh if there for as as long as you can. Uh if as long as you feel like you're you're as long as you feel like you're you're as long as you feel like you're you're kind of every two weeks you feel like, kind of every two weeks you feel like, kind of every two weeks you feel like, "Yeah, I'm definitely progressing. I "Yeah, I'm definitely progressing. I "Yeah, I'm definitely progressing. I feel better. I look better than what I feel better. I look better than what I feel better. I look better than what I did two weeks ago." Just give yourself did two weeks ago." Just give yourself did two weeks ago." Just give yourself like two weeks. Like I don't think every like two weeks. Like I don't think every like two weeks. Like I don't think every week is a bit I think it's a little bit week is a bit I think it's a little bit week is a bit I think it's a little bit too obsessed. Like did I make progress too obsessed. Like did I make progress too obsessed. Like did I make progress this week? It's like stay the course. this week? It's like stay the course. this week? It's like stay the course. And if every two weeks you look back and And if every two weeks you look back and And if every two weeks you look back and go like I'm I'm better version of me go like I'm I'm better version of me go like I'm I'm better version of me than I was two weeks ago. I I ride that. than I was two weeks ago. I I ride that. than I was two weeks ago. I I ride that. I keep riding that uh for as long as we I keep riding that uh for as long as we I keep riding that uh for as long as we can before I start to really adjust can before I start to really adjust can before I start to really adjust anything. And then that what would be anything. And then that what would be anything. And then that what would be good to do then is maybe we switch the good to do then is maybe we switch the good to do then is maybe we switch the program simultaneously. So you have like program simultaneously. So you have like program simultaneously. So you have like go go to another maps 15 program go go to another maps 15 program go go to another maps 15 program >> maybe go to like the strong or something >> maybe go to like the strong or something >> maybe go to like the strong or something else. Um maybe even anabolic by that else. Um maybe even anabolic by that else. Um maybe even anabolic by that time cuz he you'll be reverse you'll be time cuz he you'll be reverse you'll be time cuz he you'll be reverse you'll be eating enough calories you could eating enough calories you could eating enough calories you could probably handle MAPS anabolic. So, a probably handle MAPS anabolic. So, a probably handle MAPS anabolic. So, a good like when it if when we go to bump good like when it if when we go to bump good like when it if when we go to bump more calories and we're talking now more calories and we're talking now more calories and we're talking now we're talking 2800 calories or so or we're talking 2800 calories or so or we're talking 2800 calories or so or more, we could probably go to MAPS more, we could probably go to MAPS more, we could probably go to MAPS anabolic anabolic anabolic >> and that different program change a >> and that different program change a >> and that different program change a little more added volume with the extra little more added volume with the extra little more added volume with the extra calories. I think you'll see yourself calories. I think you'll see yourself calories. I think you'll see yourself build some muscle off of that. But build some muscle off of that. But build some muscle off of that. But again, hang tight while you're seeing again, hang tight while you're seeing again, hang tight while you're seeing great results right now. I think you're great results right now. I think you're great results right now. I think you're in a good spot. in a good spot. in a good spot. >> Okay. Yeah, cuz that was sort of what >> Okay. Yeah, cuz that was sort of what >> Okay. Yeah, cuz that was sort of what where I was getting at next is like at where I was getting at next is like at where I was getting at next is like at what point can I bump up the volume? I what point can I bump up the volume? I what point can I bump up the volume? I know while I'm cutting that's tough to know while I'm cutting that's tough to know while I'm cutting that's tough to do, but I I eventually want to get to a do, but I I eventually want to get to a do, but I I eventually want to get to a place where like my body fat's in a good place where like my body fat's in a good place where like my body fat's in a good place and then I want to just build as place and then I want to just build as place and then I want to just build as much muscle as I possibly can. much muscle as I possibly can. much muscle as I possibly can. >> You're on your way, dude. >> You're on your way, dude. >> You're on your way, dude. >> You're doing it. You're doing it because >> You're doing it. You're doing it because >> You're doing it. You're doing it because you're on your way. you're on your way. you're on your way. >> Yeah, you're doing it right now. You >> Yeah, you're doing it right now. You >> Yeah, you're doing it right now. You really are. You're in this You're in really are. You're in this You're in really are. You're in this You're in that what we call goalie locks. You're that what we call goalie locks. You're that what we call goalie locks. You're building a little muscle, burn a little building a little muscle, burn a little building a little muscle, burn a little body fat, this nice place. Um when we we body fat, this nice place. Um when we we body fat, this nice place. Um when we we don't want to ramp the volume up or go don't want to ramp the volume up or go don't want to ramp the volume up or go to an anabolic until you're eating at to an anabolic until you're eating at to an anabolic until you're eating at least 2,800 calories. 20. I want I'd least 2,800 calories. 20. I want I'd least 2,800 calories. 20. I want I'd want you 2,800 or more calories before want you 2,800 or more calories before want you 2,800 or more calories before we start adding more. Right now, you're we start adding more. Right now, you're we start adding more. Right now, you're at a nice amount of volume for the at a nice amount of volume for the at a nice amount of volume for the amount of calories. You're doing great amount of calories. You're doing great amount of calories. You're doing great with the steps. I'm with S. When it gets with the steps. I'm with S. When it gets with the steps. I'm with S. When it gets a little bit nicer weather, start to a little bit nicer weather, start to a little bit nicer weather, start to pick them steps up and try and, you pick them steps up and try and, you pick them steps up and try and, you know, get up over 10,000 steps with what know, get up over 10,000 steps with what know, get up over 10,000 steps with what you're doing. That'll keep you leaning you're doing. That'll keep you leaning you're doing. That'll keep you leaning out just by you kind of increasing out just by you kind of increasing out just by you kind of increasing activity with what you're doing. And activity with what you're doing. And activity with what you're doing. And then eventually we'll bump the calories then eventually we'll bump the calories then eventually we'll bump the calories and go to like MAPS. Do you have and go to like MAPS. Do you have and go to like MAPS. Do you have MAPSolic? MAPSolic? MAPSolic? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> We'll send that over to you. So, you >> We'll send that over to you. So, you >> We'll send that over to you. So, you have that. So, that's the that's the have that. So, that's the that's the have that. So, that's the that's the move, right? ride this wave until you move, right? ride this wave until you move, right? ride this wave until you start to slow down, bump the calories, start to slow down, bump the calories, start to slow down, bump the calories, and then go to anabolic. and then go to anabolic. and then go to anabolic. >> Okay, that's awesome. Thank you guys. >> Okay, that's awesome. Thank you guys. >> Okay, that's awesome. Thank you guys. >> Yeah, you got it, man. >> Yeah, you got it, man. >> Yeah, you got it, man. >> And keep us posted here. It's a It's a >> And keep us posted here. It's a It's a >> And keep us posted here. It's a It's a fun journey to watch for us, fun journey to watch for us, fun journey to watch for us, >> man. >> man. >> man. >> Yeah, thank you guys. Yeah, definitely. >> Yeah, thank you guys. Yeah, definitely. >> Yeah, thank you guys. Yeah, definitely. Will Will Will >> kicking ass, dude. Take it easy. >> kicking ass, dude. Take it easy. >> kicking ass, dude. Take it easy. Congrats, brother. Congrats, brother. Congrats, brother. >> Keep it up. Thanks. >> Keep it up. Thanks. >> Keep it up. Thanks. Just for to recap, uh he increased his Just for to recap, uh he increased his Just for to recap, uh he increased his calories by a relatively significant calories by a relatively significant calories by a relatively significant amount amount amount >> and dropped the amount of training >> and dropped the amount of training >> and dropped the amount of training volume. volume. volume. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And built muscle, got stronger, and got >> And built muscle, got stronger, and got >> And built muscle, got stronger, and got leaner. leaner. leaner. >> God, another one of those. >> God, another one of those. >> God, another one of those. >> Just so people understand, >> Just so people understand, >> Just so people understand, >> that just doesn't science science. Yeah. >> that just doesn't science science. Yeah. >> that just doesn't science science. Yeah. >> Come on, science nerds. Where you at? >> Come on, science nerds. Where you at? >> Come on, science nerds. Where you at? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I just It just It works, >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I just It just It works, >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I just It just It works, you guys. It works. You got to try it. you guys. It works. You got to try it. you guys. It works. You got to try it. It works. And you know, watch what It works. And you know, watch what It works. And you know, watch what happens. And by the way, people on GLP happens. And by the way, people on GLP happens. And by the way, people on GLP because he's on a GLP1, because he's on a GLP1, because he's on a GLP1, >> people on GLP-1s will plateau. Uh we >> people on GLP-1s will plateau. Uh we >> people on GLP-1s will plateau. Uh we This is what happens. They'll lose X This is what happens. They'll lose X This is what happens. They'll lose X amount and they'll plateau. amount and they'll plateau. amount and they'll plateau. >> The most common thing we saw >> The most common thing we saw >> The most common thing we saw >> and then it's like I get God, do I just >> and then it's like I get God, do I just >> and then it's like I get God, do I just eat even less and then you feel terrible eat even less and then you feel terrible eat even less and then you feel terrible and it's like no, no, reverse dieting is and it's like no, no, reverse dieting is and it's like no, no, reverse dieting is real. If you do it right, you apply it real. If you do it right, you apply it real. If you do it right, you apply it with strength training, it gets things with strength training, it gets things with strength training, it gets things moving in the right direction. moving in the right direction. moving in the right direction. >> Our next caller is Karen from New York. >> Our next caller is Karen from New York. >> Our next caller is Karen from New York. >> Hi Karen, >> Hi Karen, >> Hi Karen, >> how you doing Karen? >> how you doing Karen? >> how you doing Karen? >> Hi. How are you? >> Hi. How are you? >> Hi. How are you? >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> We're good. How can we help you? >> We're good. How can we help you? >> We're good. How can we help you? >> Yes. Um I had sent in an email. I've >> Yes. Um I had sent in an email. I've >> Yes. Um I had sent in an email. I've been watching your content now for a few been watching your content now for a few been watching your content now for a few months and um one of the things I will I months and um one of the things I will I months and um one of the things I will I will be 60 in a few months and uh I now will be 60 in a few months and uh I now will be 60 in a few months and uh I now want to focus on gaining strength um want to focus on gaining strength um want to focus on gaining strength um working on my mobility, maintaining working on my mobility, maintaining working on my mobility, maintaining balance, uh being able to maintain balance, uh being able to maintain balance, uh being able to maintain balance. Um balance. Um balance. Um >> all right. And so right now, for the >> all right. And so right now, for the >> all right. And so right now, for the first time in my adult life ever, I'm first time in my adult life ever, I'm first time in my adult life ever, I'm down to an ideal body weight, but I'd down to an ideal body weight, but I'd down to an ideal body weight, but I'd like to reduce the body fat percentage a like to reduce the body fat percentage a like to reduce the body fat percentage a little bit and gain some muscle. I'm not little bit and gain some muscle. I'm not little bit and gain some muscle. I'm not so no longer chasing the scale, right? so no longer chasing the scale, right? so no longer chasing the scale, right? So So So >> wonderful. Um, now we're at a point >> wonderful. Um, now we're at a point >> wonderful. Um, now we're at a point where, um, I want to refocus on some where, um, I want to refocus on some where, um, I want to refocus on some other things, which I've done over the other things, which I've done over the other things, which I've done over the years many, many times, but I want to years many, many times, but I want to years many, many times, but I want to hone in now with some of the conditions hone in now with some of the conditions hone in now with some of the conditions as I'm getting older and do it safely, as I'm getting older and do it safely, as I'm getting older and do it safely, right, and not right, and not right, and not >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> not get hurt. >> not get hurt. >> not get hurt. >> Yeah, that's great. Karen, have you ever >> Yeah, that's great. Karen, have you ever >> Yeah, that's great. Karen, have you ever have you ever done traditional strength have you ever done traditional strength have you ever done traditional strength training before? training before? training before? >> Yes. Um, 10 years ago, I went back to >> Yes. Um, 10 years ago, I went back to >> Yes. Um, 10 years ago, I went back to school after uh losing about 127 pounds. school after uh losing about 127 pounds. school after uh losing about 127 pounds. So, I do have my personal training So, I do have my personal training So, I do have my personal training certification and associates and certification and associates and certification and associates and exercise science. Um, but unfortunately exercise science. Um, but unfortunately exercise science. Um, but unfortunately over that time and with COVID setting in over that time and with COVID setting in over that time and with COVID setting in and getting older and menopause and and getting older and menopause and and getting older and menopause and thyroid disease and such like that, I thyroid disease and such like that, I thyroid disease and such like that, I was never able to keep my weight down. was never able to keep my weight down. was never able to keep my weight down. But I always love being in the gym and But I always love being in the gym and But I always love being in the gym and so I do have knowledge behind it. But so I do have knowledge behind it. But so I do have knowledge behind it. But again, there's so much again, there's so much again, there's so much >> information out there and with my >> information out there and with my >> information out there and with my particular situation of having a thyroid particular situation of having a thyroid particular situation of having a thyroid disorder and um also having had disorder and um also having had disorder and um also having had buriatric surgery and I'm on a GLP1 now, buriatric surgery and I'm on a GLP1 now, buriatric surgery and I'm on a GLP1 now, it's like I need to hone in. It needs to it's like I need to hone in. It needs to it's like I need to hone in. It needs to be honed to get the most bang for my be honed to get the most bang for my be honed to get the most bang for my buck, right? And the most beneficial at buck, right? And the most beneficial at buck, right? And the most beneficial at this time in my life to I totally get this time in my life to I totally get this time in my life to I totally get that. What what's the long So, by the that. What what's the long So, by the that. What what's the long So, by the way, your your your thyroid is now being way, your your your thyroid is now being way, your your your thyroid is now being treated uh with medication. So, that's treated uh with medication. So, that's treated uh with medication. So, that's all balanced. Hormones balanced. I see all balanced. Hormones balanced. I see all balanced. Hormones balanced. I see in your emails. in your emails. in your emails. >> Yeah, HRT is great. you know, all those >> Yeah, HRT is great. you know, all those >> Yeah, HRT is great. you know, all those things are like really dialed in now. things are like really dialed in now. things are like really dialed in now. Um, I have no more metabolic resistance. Um, I have no more metabolic resistance. Um, I have no more metabolic resistance. I have or dysfunction. I'm not insulin I have or dysfunction. I'm not insulin I have or dysfunction. I'm not insulin resistant any longer. resistant any longer. resistant any longer. >> Awesome. Have you ever worked with a >> Awesome. Have you ever worked with a >> Awesome. Have you ever worked with a like a trainer or coach for the strength like a trainer or coach for the strength like a trainer or coach for the strength training? Have you ever had anybody training? Have you ever had anybody training? Have you ever had anybody train you through that period of time or train you through that period of time or train you through that period of time or were you kind of doing it on your own? were you kind of doing it on your own? were you kind of doing it on your own? >> I did. I did years and years ago. Um >> I did. I did years and years ago. Um >> I did. I did years and years ago. Um after my first husband had passed away, after my first husband had passed away, after my first husband had passed away, I decided to get focused and I was I decided to get focused and I was I decided to get focused and I was training with someone for about a year training with someone for about a year training with someone for about a year and um it was a great experience and I and um it was a great experience and I and um it was a great experience and I enjoyed that very much and um then I was enjoyed that very much and um then I was enjoyed that very much and um then I was in the gym and just but no recently I in the gym and just but no recently I in the gym and just but no recently I have not worked with a trainer recently. have not worked with a trainer recently. have not worked with a trainer recently. the the the the best thing you can do the the the the best thing you can do the the the the best thing you can do and what you're you're going to love and what you're you're going to love and what you're you're going to love you're going to love how traditional you're going to love how traditional you're going to love how traditional strength training done properly, good strength training done properly, good strength training done properly, good programming with making sure of course programming with making sure of course programming with making sure of course you eat enough protein, all that stuff, you eat enough protein, all that stuff, you eat enough protein, all that stuff, how that's going to affect your body, how that's going to affect your body, how that's going to affect your body, the lean body mass gains, what you the lean body mass gains, what you the lean body mass gains, what you mentioned with mobility and balance. uh mentioned with mobility and balance. uh mentioned with mobility and balance. uh it's going to feel so incredible, but it's going to feel so incredible, but it's going to feel so incredible, but it's going to come from really it's going to come from really it's going to come from really traditional strength training and it's traditional strength training and it's traditional strength training and it's probably going to look something like probably going to look something like probably going to look something like two or three days a week. Now, that two or three days a week. Now, that two or three days a week. Now, that doesn't mean you're not active the other doesn't mean you're not active the other doesn't mean you're not active the other days. Uh so, you know, walking and just, days. Uh so, you know, walking and just, days. Uh so, you know, walking and just, you know, you don't want to sit around, you know, you don't want to sit around, you know, you don't want to sit around, which I'm assuming you already have some which I'm assuming you already have some which I'm assuming you already have some activity and you're you're tracking activity and you're you're tracking activity and you're you're tracking steps and stuff like that, but nice steps and stuff like that, but nice steps and stuff like that, but nice traditional strength training where traditional strength training where traditional strength training where which is appropriate. So, we got to make which is appropriate. So, we got to make which is appropriate. So, we got to make sure we do the right exercises for you sure we do the right exercises for you sure we do the right exercises for you where you're seeing yourself gain where you're seeing yourself gain where you're seeing yourself gain strength. If you're getting stronger, strength. If you're getting stronger, strength. If you're getting stronger, you're that you're definitely moving in you're that you're definitely moving in you're that you're definitely moving in the right direction and it's going to the right direction and it's going to the right direction and it's going to feel so uh good on your body from your feel so uh good on your body from your feel so uh good on your body from your metabolic health to how your body metabolic health to how your body metabolic health to how your body actually feels, mobility, all those actually feels, mobility, all those actually feels, mobility, all those things. That's the that's like the one things. That's the that's like the one things. That's the that's like the one and I think you know that that's like and I think you know that that's like and I think you know that that's like the one piece uh that you you're you're the one piece uh that you you're you're the one piece uh that you you're you're you're aiming for, which is great. you're aiming for, which is great. you're aiming for, which is great. >> She's you see her she uh Doug just >> She's you see her she uh Doug just >> She's you see her she uh Doug just pulled up her numbers right here. You pulled up her numbers right here. You pulled up her numbers right here. You see she's deadlifting. You got assisted see she's deadlifting. You got assisted see she's deadlifting. You got assisted chin up. You got lap, pull down, row. chin up. You got lap, pull down, row. chin up. You got lap, pull down, row. >> Are those are those your lifts? >> Are those are those your lifts? >> Are those are those your lifts? >> And and you're getting between 15 >> And and you're getting between 15 >> And and you're getting between 15 to,900, 1900 calories is good. You're to,900, 1900 calories is good. You're to,900, 1900 calories is good. You're You're doing pretty damn good right now. You're doing pretty damn good right now. You're doing pretty damn good right now. >> Yeah. Are you Are those Are those your >> Yeah. Are you Are those Are those your >> Yeah. Are you Are those Are those your current lifts, Karen, that you you sent current lifts, Karen, that you you sent current lifts, Karen, that you you sent us, or was that like what you've done in us, or was that like what you've done in us, or was that like what you've done in the past? the past? the past? >> No, no, no. Those are current. My >> No, no, no. Those are current. My >> No, no, no. Those are current. My Actually, my deadlift now I'm at like Actually, my deadlift now I'm at like Actually, my deadlift now I'm at like 115. 115. 115. >> Nice. >> Nice. >> Nice. >> Got a girl. >> Got a girl. >> Got a girl. >> And um >> And um >> And um yeah, the other ones are pretty They're yeah, the other ones are pretty They're yeah, the other ones are pretty They're pretty They're recent. They're recent pretty They're recent. They're recent pretty They're recent. They're recent numbers. My deadlift just went up a numbers. My deadlift just went up a numbers. My deadlift just went up a little bit. little bit. little bit. >> That's great. Okay, so how can we help >> That's great. Okay, so how can we help >> That's great. Okay, so how can we help you? Are you looking for more like you? Are you looking for more like you? Are you looking for more like programming advice or nutrition advice? programming advice or nutrition advice? programming advice or nutrition advice? >> Yeah. Um, well, actually both. I'm >> Yeah. Um, well, actually both. I'm >> Yeah. Um, well, actually both. I'm looking for some programming advice looking for some programming advice looking for some programming advice because honestly, after I met my second because honestly, after I met my second because honestly, after I met my second husband, we've been married for six husband, we've been married for six husband, we've been married for six years and I now commute to work. It's years and I now commute to work. It's years and I now commute to work. It's it's different. When I was widowed for it's different. When I was widowed for it's different. When I was widowed for 14 years, I came and went in the gym and 14 years, I came and went in the gym and 14 years, I came and went in the gym and did what I wanted as I wanted. I ate did what I wanted as I wanted. I ate did what I wanted as I wanted. I ate when I wanted, didn't eat when I didn't when I wanted, didn't eat when I didn't when I wanted, didn't eat when I didn't want to. whatever it was, the want to. whatever it was, the want to. whatever it was, the responsibilities and my lifestyle is a responsibilities and my lifestyle is a responsibilities and my lifestyle is a little different now. So, what I'm little different now. So, what I'm little different now. So, what I'm hoping to do is to I need some hoping to do is to I need some hoping to do is to I need some programming that I can get in the gym programming that I can get in the gym programming that I can get in the gym two days a week and do it also once at two days a week and do it also once at two days a week and do it also once at home home home >> with with other, you know, some other >> with with other, you know, some other >> with with other, you know, some other form formatting. And um yeah, that's form formatting. And um yeah, that's form formatting. And um yeah, that's what I'm looking for. And then also with what I'm looking for. And then also with what I'm looking for. And then also with having had the beriatric surgery and having had the beriatric surgery and having had the beriatric surgery and being on a GLP1, I mean, I got to I got being on a GLP1, I mean, I got to I got being on a GLP1, I mean, I got to I got to fight to get 15, you know, 140 150 to fight to get 15, you know, 140 150 to fight to get 15, you know, 140 150 grams. Yeah. grams. Yeah. grams. Yeah. >> So, I did have a question um if >> So, I did have a question um if >> So, I did have a question um if incorporating like one good dose of an incorporating like one good dose of an incorporating like one good dose of an EAA by itself once in a day could help EAA by itself once in a day could help EAA by itself once in a day could help to supplement that. Um because it it is to supplement that. Um because it it is to supplement that. Um because it it is hard for me to get, you know, I'm hard for me to get, you know, I'm hard for me to get, you know, I'm constantly, it's almost like years ago constantly, it's almost like years ago constantly, it's almost like years ago when I had issues of not being able to when I had issues of not being able to when I had issues of not being able to keep my weight down and food was like keep my weight down and food was like keep my weight down and food was like food food thought thought con, you know, food food thought thought con, you know, food food thought thought con, you know, I don't want to be in that realm either I don't want to be in that realm either I don't want to be in that realm either all the time. I would actually EAS I all the time. I would actually EAS I all the time. I would actually EAS I would do three times a day. Um so that would do three times a day. Um so that would do three times a day. Um so that which is great. So it's great you're which is great. So it's great you're which is great. So it's great you're already on that thinking that way. Um already on that thinking that way. Um already on that thinking that way. Um are you doing a shake already? are you doing a shake already? are you doing a shake already? >> Yeah, I usually end up um doing a >> Yeah, I usually end up um doing a >> Yeah, I usually end up um doing a protein latte on my way in in the work protein latte on my way in in the work protein latte on my way in in the work in the morning. I make it myself. in the morning. I make it myself. in the morning. I make it myself. >> Okay, cool. >> Okay, cool. >> Okay, cool. >> So that's that's hitting like 40 grams >> So that's that's hitting like 40 grams >> So that's that's hitting like 40 grams of protein just drinking on the way in. of protein just drinking on the way in. of protein just drinking on the way in. And then I'll get to work and I'll do um And then I'll get to work and I'll do um And then I'll get to work and I'll do um I'll either bring with me some eggs and I'll either bring with me some eggs and I'll either bring with me some eggs and ground beef and some cheese and I'll hit ground beef and some cheese and I'll hit ground beef and some cheese and I'll hit that. I try to hit like 70 to 90 grams that. I try to hit like 70 to 90 grams that. I try to hit like 70 to 90 grams before lunchtime only because the before lunchtime only because the before lunchtime only because the remaining day is hard for me. remaining day is hard for me. remaining day is hard for me. >> Good job. No, you're doing you're doing >> Good job. No, you're doing you're doing >> Good job. No, you're doing you're doing good. You're doing great. good. You're doing great. good. You're doing great. >> Would you be open to working with one of >> Would you be open to working with one of >> Would you be open to working with one of our coaches through this process because our coaches through this process because our coaches through this process because I think that you you're in a really good I think that you you're in a really good I think that you you're in a really good place to have somebody uh work with you place to have somebody uh work with you place to have somebody uh work with you and iterate as you go along. Uh change and iterate as you go along. Uh change and iterate as you go along. Uh change the programming nutrition as you go the programming nutrition as you go the programming nutrition as you go along. Yeah, I'd like to I'd like to along. Yeah, I'd like to I'd like to along. Yeah, I'd like to I'd like to look into that because I would I have look into that because I would I have look into that because I would I have one of the um you know eight electrical one of the um you know eight electrical one of the um you know eight electrical bio impedance scales that you know so bio impedance scales that you know so bio impedance scales that you know so I'm looking at other numbers besides I'm looking at other numbers besides I'm looking at other numbers besides just hopping on the scale. No, you're just hopping on the scale. No, you're just hopping on the scale. No, you're doing really good and based off of like doing really good and based off of like doing really good and based off of like your schedule and how we do two days in your schedule and how we do two days in your schedule and how we do two days in the gym, one day at home. You'd be a the gym, one day at home. You'd be a the gym, one day at home. You'd be a great candidate for a trainer just kind great candidate for a trainer just kind great candidate for a trainer just kind of be modifying you kind of week to week of be modifying you kind of week to week of be modifying you kind of week to week as you're going and slowly me messing as you're going and slowly me messing as you're going and slowly me messing with your macros and and and advising with your macros and and and advising with your macros and and and advising you because you're in a good spot. you because you're in a good spot. you because you're in a good spot. You're doing a really good job right now You're doing a really good job right now You're doing a really good job right now and you're and you're heading down the and you're and you're heading down the and you're and you're heading down the right path. So, we could have someone right path. So, we could have someone right path. So, we could have someone call you, show you what that would look call you, show you what that would look call you, show you what that would look like, and they'll set up all the like, and they'll set up all the like, and they'll set up all the programming, take care of all the stuff programming, take care of all the stuff programming, take care of all the stuff for you. for you. for you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that would be that. I would like >> Yeah, that would be that. I would like >> Yeah, that would be that. I would like to I'd love to look into that. Yeah, to I'd love to look into that. Yeah, to I'd love to look into that. Yeah, that would be great. that would be great. that would be great. >> All right, K. I'll have somebody call >> All right, K. I'll have somebody call >> All right, K. I'll have somebody call you today. you today. you today. >> Doing a great job. >> Doing a great job. >> Doing a great job. >> Yeah. Great job, by the way. >> Yeah. Great job, by the way. >> Yeah. Great job, by the way. >> Yes. Very cool. >> Yes. Very cool. >> Yes. Very cool. >> That momentum. >> That momentum. >> That momentum. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Great. All right. >> Great. All right. >> Great. All right. >> Well, I appreciate you taking my call >> Well, I appreciate you taking my call >> Well, I appreciate you taking my call and looking into this. I know you're and looking into this. I know you're and looking into this. I know you're going to be finding more and more people going to be finding more and more people going to be finding more and more people I think as time is going by GLP1s or I think as time is going by GLP1s or I think as time is going by GLP1s or having had surgery and having had surgery and having had surgery and there's a lot of information out there. there's a lot of information out there. there's a lot of information out there. >> We just got off another call. Just we >> We just got off another call. Just we >> We just got off another call. Just we got done helping somebody who's been on got done helping somebody who's been on got done helping somebody who's been on one for a year and he had hit a plateau. one for a year and he had hit a plateau. one for a year and he had hit a plateau. He was a follow-up call who just got He was a follow-up call who just got He was a follow-up call who just got back on and he's added all kinds of back on and he's added all kinds of back on and he's added all kinds of muscle and leaned out by reverse dieting muscle and leaned out by reverse dieting muscle and leaned out by reverse dieting with us and so yeah. No, there it's with us and so yeah. No, there it's with us and so yeah. No, there it's there's a lot now. So you're doing great there's a lot now. So you're doing great there's a lot now. So you're doing great though. Excited to help you out. though. Excited to help you out. though. Excited to help you out. >> Okay. Yeah, I look forward to it. And >> Okay. Yeah, I look forward to it. And >> Okay. Yeah, I look forward to it. And out of your um programming, your maps out of your um programming, your maps out of your um programming, your maps programming and different things that programming and different things that programming and different things that what would you recommend? what would you recommend? what would you recommend? >> Well, so off the top of my head, it >> Well, so off the top of my head, it >> Well, so off the top of my head, it would probably be something like maps would probably be something like maps would probably be something like maps anabolic, but when since you're going to anabolic, but when since you're going to anabolic, but when since you're going to work with a coach, they're going to work with a coach, they're going to work with a coach, they're going to they're going to individualize it. they're going to individualize it. they're going to individualize it. >> Yeah, they're going to individualize it >> Yeah, they're going to individualize it >> Yeah, they're going to individualize it for you because of like how your for you because of like how your for you because of like how your schedule is. So, it'll look like it schedule is. So, it'll look like it schedule is. So, it'll look like it actually look like a modified program. actually look like a modified program. actually look like a modified program. It'll look like anabolic mixed with It'll look like anabolic mixed with It'll look like anabolic mixed with something that you do at home. something that you do at home. something that you do at home. >> And then as you go along uh through >> And then as you go along uh through >> And then as you go along uh through coaching you, they'll be able to modify coaching you, they'll be able to modify coaching you, they'll be able to modify it as you go along because you're going it as you go along because you're going it as you go along because you're going to have that coach with you the whole to have that coach with you the whole to have that coach with you the whole time. Okay, that's great. I look forward time. Okay, that's great. I look forward time. Okay, that's great. I look forward to the call. to the call. to the call. >> All right, Karen. >> All right, Karen. >> All right, Karen. >> Thanks. >> Thanks. >> Thanks. >> Well, good for her. >> Well, good for her. >> Well, good for her. >> She's doing really good. >> She's doing really good. >> She's doing really good. >> Yeah, good for her. >> Yeah, good for her. >> Yeah, good for her. >> Very surprised with a GLP1 >> Very surprised with a GLP1 >> Very surprised with a GLP1 she's able to still eat that much she's able to still eat that much she's able to still eat that much protein. That's protein. That's protein. That's I wonder. I wonder. I wonder. >> I didn't even think of that, but I >> I didn't even think of that, but I >> I didn't even think of that, but I wonder how many beriatric patients also wonder how many beriatric patients also wonder how many beriatric patients also now are using a GLP-1 on top of it. now are using a GLP-1 on top of it. now are using a GLP-1 on top of it. >> I wonder I bet it's I mean, what was the >> I wonder I bet it's I mean, what was the >> I wonder I bet it's I mean, what was the statistics? Do you remember what it was? statistics? Do you remember what it was? statistics? Do you remember what it was? >> Taking business. What was the statistics >> Taking business. What was the statistics >> Taking business. What was the statistics on beriatric patients that end up end up on beriatric patients that end up end up on beriatric patients that end up end up just like going end up going putting the just like going end up going putting the just like going end up going putting the weight back on still? weight back on still? weight back on still? >> I don't know what the number is, but >> I don't know what the number is, but >> I don't know what the number is, but some of them do that. It's also a very some of them do that. It's also a very some of them do that. It's also a very >> I mean uh intrusive procedure >> I mean uh intrusive procedure >> I mean uh intrusive procedure >> uh I I think the beriatric surgery uh >> uh I I think the beriatric surgery uh >> uh I I think the beriatric surgery uh numbers has dropped considerably since numbers has dropped considerably since numbers has dropped considerably since GLP1's. GLP1's. GLP1's. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> cuz it's like try this instead of >> cuz it's like try this instead of >> cuz it's like try this instead of >> Yeah. Weighing the options out >> Yeah. Weighing the options out >> Yeah. Weighing the options out >> going in the open. Oh, it's >> going in the open. Oh, it's >> going in the open. Oh, it's >> it's probably crashed that. I'm sure she >> it's probably crashed that. I'm sure she >> it's probably crashed that. I'm sure she did that a long time ago and then now is did that a long time ago and then now is did that a long time ago and then now is and then one's probably helped her way and then one's probably helped her way and then one's probably helped her way more than that ever helped her. But man, more than that ever helped her. But man, more than that ever helped her. But man, kudos to her to be deadlifting, kudos to her to be deadlifting, kudos to her to be deadlifting, >> going after her protein like that to be >> going after her protein like that to be >> going after her protein like that to be able to uh be able to eat eating 15 to able to uh be able to eat eating 15 to able to uh be able to eat eating 15 to 1900 calories on a jailbell and with 1900 calories on a jailbell and with 1900 calories on a jailbell and with beriatric surgery is impressive. So beriatric surgery is impressive. So beriatric surgery is impressive. So >> her whole strategy was on point. >> her whole strategy was on point. >> her whole strategy was on point. >> Yeah. Yeah. So cool. I'm excited. I hope >> Yeah. Yeah. So cool. I'm excited. I hope >> Yeah. Yeah. So cool. I'm excited. I hope she I I hope she ends up with one of our she I I hope she ends up with one of our she I I hope she ends up with one of our trainers so we can see her progress trainers so we can see her progress trainers so we can see her progress through this. through this. through this. >> Our next caller is Daniel from North >> Our next caller is Daniel from North >> Our next caller is Daniel from North Carolina. Carolina. Carolina. >> What's up, man? How you doing, Daniel? >> What's up, man? How you doing, Daniel? >> What's up, man? How you doing, Daniel? What's happening, Daniel? What's happening, Daniel? What's happening, Daniel? >> Hey, how's it going, guys? Pretty cool >> Hey, how's it going, guys? Pretty cool >> Hey, how's it going, guys? Pretty cool to talk to you. I've been uh listening to talk to you. I've been uh listening to talk to you. I've been uh listening for about three years. for about three years. for about three years. >> Um, but I'm one of those weirdos that >> Um, but I'm one of those weirdos that >> Um, but I'm one of those weirdos that when I discovered Mind Pump, I actually when I discovered Mind Pump, I actually when I discovered Mind Pump, I actually started all the way back at the started all the way back at the started all the way back at the beginning. Listen through an order an beginning. Listen through an order an beginning. Listen through an order an average of like three to five episodes a average of like three to five episodes a average of like three to five episodes a day. So, I feel like I know you guys day. So, I feel like I know you guys day. So, I feel like I know you guys already. I'm still not even caught up. already. I'm still not even caught up. already. I'm still not even caught up. Um, but you know, once I feel once I get Um, but you know, once I feel once I get Um, but you know, once I feel once I get caught up, I feel like, you know, it'll caught up, I feel like, you know, it'll caught up, I feel like, you know, it'll be uh kind of sad cuz I won't have three be uh kind of sad cuz I won't have three be uh kind of sad cuz I won't have three to five to listen to every day. But, to five to listen to every day. But, to five to listen to every day. But, >> have you gotten to Justin? >> have you gotten to Justin? >> have you gotten to Justin? Not not yet. Not not yet. Not not yet. >> Did you get the It was really brief. >> Did you get the It was really brief. >> Did you get the It was really brief. >> It was really brief. >> It was really brief. >> It was really brief. >> Like episode 10,000. >> Like episode 10,000. >> Like episode 10,000. >> Yeah, I'm I'm some I'm somewhere around >> Yeah, I'm I'm some I'm somewhere around >> Yeah, I'm I'm some I'm somewhere around like 2100 something like that. So, I like 2100 something like that. So, I like 2100 something like that. So, I don't even know what you guys are don't even know what you guys are don't even know what you guys are talking about in the last few episodes. talking about in the last few episodes. talking about in the last few episodes. >> That's right. When Doug, I remember >> That's right. When Doug, I remember >> That's right. When Doug, I remember that. I remember that first time. that. I remember that first time. that. I remember that first time. >> How can we help you, man? You need to >> How can we help you, man? You need to >> How can we help you, man? You need to remember. remember. remember. >> Okay. So, yeah. So, um so I'm 30 years >> Okay. So, yeah. So, um so I'm 30 years >> Okay. So, yeah. So, um so I'm 30 years old. I've been training consistently for old. I've been training consistently for old. I've been training consistently for about six years now. Um I was overweight about six years now. Um I was overweight about six years now. Um I was overweight most of my life. Um, and actually I'm most of my life. Um, and actually I'm most of my life. Um, and actually I'm one of those guys that the pandemic was one of those guys that the pandemic was one of those guys that the pandemic was one of the best things that ever one of the best things that ever one of the best things that ever happened to my fitness. Um, I've been happened to my fitness. Um, I've been happened to my fitness. Um, I've been able to fall in love with fitness. Um, able to fall in love with fitness. Um, able to fall in love with fitness. Um, with my fitness journey, I've maintained with my fitness journey, I've maintained with my fitness journey, I've maintained a healthy fitness level the past several a healthy fitness level the past several a healthy fitness level the past several years. Um, so when I originally emailed, years. Um, so when I originally emailed, years. Um, so when I originally emailed, I had my first child on the way, but I I had my first child on the way, but I I had my first child on the way, but I have since become a dad in the last have since become a dad in the last have since become a dad in the last month. She's 3 weeks old as of month. She's 3 weeks old as of month. She's 3 weeks old as of yesterday. So, yesterday. So, yesterday. So, >> all right. >> all right. >> all right. >> Um, but, uh, so I, um, I own and operate >> Um, but, uh, so I, um, I own and operate >> Um, but, uh, so I, um, I own and operate a landscaping company. So, in I'm in the a landscaping company. So, in I'm in the a landscaping company. So, in I'm in the offseason now. My schedule's a lot more offseason now. My schedule's a lot more offseason now. My schedule's a lot more open. I'm a lot more sedentary, but open. I'm a lot more sedentary, but open. I'm a lot more sedentary, but during the season from about March to during the season from about March to during the season from about March to October, I'm incredibly active. Some October, I'm incredibly active. Some October, I'm incredibly active. Some days 30 to 35,000 steps. Um, but on days 30 to 35,000 steps. Um, but on days 30 to 35,000 steps. Um, but on average close to about 20,000. Um, but average close to about 20,000. Um, but average close to about 20,000. Um, but with a baby on the way, I decided to go with a baby on the way, I decided to go with a baby on the way, I decided to go all out on my training and nutrition. I all out on my training and nutrition. I all out on my training and nutrition. I was pretty neurotic with both of them was pretty neurotic with both of them was pretty neurotic with both of them for about a month and a half at the for about a month and a half at the for about a month and a half at the start of the year before my daughter start of the year before my daughter start of the year before my daughter came along. Um long term I really want came along. Um long term I really want came along. Um long term I really want to get in the best shape of my life just to get in the best shape of my life just to get in the best shape of my life just to see what I can do. And of course also to see what I can do. And of course also to see what I can do. And of course also set an impossible standard for my set an impossible standard for my set an impossible standard for my daughter for any future boyfriends, daughter for any future boyfriends, daughter for any future boyfriends, husbands, that kind of thing, of course. husbands, that kind of thing, of course. husbands, that kind of thing, of course. Um but um but I'm also noticing some Um but um but I'm also noticing some Um but um but I'm also noticing some left to right imbalances in my physique left to right imbalances in my physique left to right imbalances in my physique and in my movements um that I'm sure and in my movements um that I'm sure and in my movements um that I'm sure need to be addressed. I'm actually need to be addressed. I'm actually need to be addressed. I'm actually currently running map symmetry. Um I currently running map symmetry. Um I currently running map symmetry. Um I actually just finished a phase three actually just finished a phase three actually just finished a phase three workout right before I jumped on this workout right before I jumped on this workout right before I jumped on this call. Um and I previously run anabolic call. Um and I previously run anabolic call. Um and I previously run anabolic performance aesthetic and I started performance aesthetic and I started performance aesthetic and I started split. Um, and the volume was fine, but split. Um, and the volume was fine, but split. Um, and the volume was fine, but I noticed that once I really got going, I noticed that once I really got going, I noticed that once I really got going, that's when I could tell I had the that's when I could tell I had the that's when I could tell I had the imbalances. So, I actually stopped it imbalances. So, I actually stopped it imbalances. So, I actually stopped it and jumped over to symmetry. and jumped over to symmetry. and jumped over to symmetry. >> Good job. >> Good job. >> Good job. >> Um, and I've been strongly considering >> Um, and I've been strongly considering >> Um, and I've been strongly considering something like MAP strong because I've something like MAP strong because I've something like MAP strong because I've actually never in my life focused on actually never in my life focused on actually never in my life focused on 100% strength focused. Um, because, you 100% strength focused. Um, because, you 100% strength focused. Um, because, you know, I was always the overweight guy know, I was always the overweight guy know, I was always the overweight guy and it sounds like it'd be great. Um, and it sounds like it'd be great. Um, and it sounds like it'd be great. Um, but I mo I mostly, especially with a but I mo I mostly, especially with a but I mo I mostly, especially with a newborn, I work out from my home gym. newborn, I work out from my home gym. newborn, I work out from my home gym. Um, so I'm not sure if that program's Um, so I'm not sure if that program's Um, so I'm not sure if that program's feasible with my current equipment. But feasible with my current equipment. But feasible with my current equipment. But also with a newborn being around, um, also with a newborn being around, um, also with a newborn being around, um, you know how it is like sometimes pretty you know how it is like sometimes pretty you know how it is like sometimes pretty sleepd deprived, but I've actually we've sleepd deprived, but I've actually we've sleepd deprived, but I've actually we've come into a pretty good rhythm. So I've come into a pretty good rhythm. So I've come into a pretty good rhythm. So I've got kind of this rule for myself. I get got kind of this rule for myself. I get got kind of this rule for myself. I get seven, eight hours of sleep, then I'll seven, eight hours of sleep, then I'll seven, eight hours of sleep, then I'll train pretty hard. Um, but um, uh, let's train pretty hard. Um, but um, uh, let's train pretty hard. Um, but um, uh, let's see. So um, one of the things I would see. So um, one of the things I would see. So um, one of the things I would like to do um, if my sleep stays on is, like to do um, if my sleep stays on is, like to do um, if my sleep stays on is, you know, uh, finish symmetry, anabolic you know, uh, finish symmetry, anabolic you know, uh, finish symmetry, anabolic advance, maybe split. Um, but I was kind advance, maybe split. Um, but I was kind advance, maybe split. Um, but I was kind of curious what you guys think would be of curious what you guys think would be of curious what you guys think would be a good um a good way to go with a a good um a good way to go with a a good um a good way to go with a newborn, but also trying to want to be newborn, but also trying to want to be newborn, but also trying to want to be feel like I should probably go strength feel like I should probably go strength feel like I should probably go strength focused because it's never been focused because it's never been focused because it's never been something that I've really focused on. something that I've really focused on. something that I've really focused on. My nutrition was very dial, but when my My nutrition was very dial, but when my My nutrition was very dial, but when my daughter was born, the people in our daughter was born, the people in our daughter was born, the people in our church, I'm very grateful they brought church, I'm very grateful they brought church, I'm very grateful they brought us a bunch of food and stuff. Um, we us a bunch of food and stuff. Um, we us a bunch of food and stuff. Um, we didn't really have a whole lot of time didn't really have a whole lot of time didn't really have a whole lot of time to cook. So, my nutrition kind of went to cook. So, my nutrition kind of went to cook. So, my nutrition kind of went out the window the first three weeks of out the window the first three weeks of out the window the first three weeks of my daughter's life. So, um, I'm trying my daughter's life. So, um, I'm trying my daughter's life. So, um, I'm trying to figure out how to get my nutrition to figure out how to get my nutrition to figure out how to get my nutrition back on track with very little time to back on track with very little time to back on track with very little time to meal prep. Um, and then also I know I've meal prep. Um, and then also I know I've meal prep. Um, and then also I know I've got conflicting goals. I've got a got conflicting goals. I've got a got conflicting goals. I've got a newborn. I want to be in the best shape newborn. I want to be in the best shape newborn. I want to be in the best shape of my life. I want to focus on strength, of my life. I want to focus on strength, of my life. I want to focus on strength, but you know, I know that you guys say but you know, I know that you guys say but you know, I know that you guys say you can't always have your cake and eat you can't always have your cake and eat you can't always have your cake and eat it, too. So, I'm just kind of just kind it, too. So, I'm just kind of just kind it, too. So, I'm just kind of just kind of curious. I don't really know which of curious. I don't really know which of curious. I don't really know which way to go from here. I got a lot of way to go from here. I got a lot of way to go from here. I got a lot of moving parts to think about. moving parts to think about. moving parts to think about. >> Yeah. So, if your sleep is good, uh, >> Yeah. So, if your sleep is good, uh, >> Yeah. So, if your sleep is good, uh, it's perfectly fine to focus on it's perfectly fine to focus on it's perfectly fine to focus on strength. Uh, and the the program that strength. Uh, and the the program that strength. Uh, and the the program that would be strength focused purely would would be strength focused purely would would be strength focused purely would be powerlift. be powerlift. be powerlift. >> So, strong is strong man inspired. So, >> So, strong is strong man inspired. So, >> So, strong is strong man inspired. So, what you're going to get in strong is what you're going to get in strong is what you're going to get in strong is strength focus, strength focus, strength focus, >> but you're also going to get some >> but you're also going to get some >> but you're also going to get some stamina and agility in there a little stamina and agility in there a little stamina and agility in there a little bit because strongman competitions bit because strongman competitions bit because strongman competitions >> require some of that. It's actually one >> require some of that. It's actually one >> require some of that. It's actually one of my favorite programs. By the way, you of my favorite programs. By the way, you of my favorite programs. By the way, you could totally follow it with a home gym. could totally follow it with a home gym. could totally follow it with a home gym. >> I I have a curveball 15 version though. >> I I have a curveball 15 version though. >> I I have a curveball 15 version though. >> I have a curveball. I like >> I have a curveball. I like >> I have a curveball. I like >> maps 15 powerlift for you. >> maps 15 powerlift for you. >> maps 15 powerlift for you. >> Take the extra time that you're not >> Take the extra time that you're not >> Take the extra time that you're not having to be working out for a full having to be working out for a full having to be working out for a full hour, hour and a half. prep your meals hour, hour and a half. prep your meals hour, hour and a half. prep your meals and that's what's going to keep you and that's what's going to keep you and that's what's going to keep you dialed. You're gonna get strong doing dialed. You're gonna get strong doing dialed. You're gonna get strong doing MAP 15 powerlift. MAP 15 powerlift. MAP 15 powerlift. >> Real strong. >> Real strong. >> Real strong. >> You'll get real strong doing that and >> You'll get real strong doing that and >> You'll get real strong doing that and your nutrition becomes the next most your nutrition becomes the next most your nutrition becomes the next most important thing making sure you're important thing making sure you're important thing making sure you're staying dialed and dedicate that extra staying dialed and dedicate that extra staying dialed and dedicate that extra time because you're not spending an hour time because you're not spending an hour time because you're not spending an hour in the gym working out. Now you're only in the gym working out. Now you're only in the gym working out. Now you're only spending about 20 minutes or so, maybe spending about 20 minutes or so, maybe spending about 20 minutes or so, maybe 25. Uh spend that extra 20 minutes 25. Uh spend that extra 20 minutes 25. Uh spend that extra 20 minutes getting those those meals prepped and getting those those meals prepped and getting those those meals prepped and really and getting making sure you're really and getting making sure you're really and getting making sure you're dialed on the nutrition part. And uh and dialed on the nutrition part. And uh and dialed on the nutrition part. And uh and that also saves you too because you know that also saves you too because you know that also saves you too because you know the inevitable is going to happen as a the inevitable is going to happen as a the inevitable is going to happen as a dad. You're gonna have some rougher dad. You're gonna have some rougher dad. You're gonna have some rougher nights in sleep. That's a more nights in sleep. That's a more nights in sleep. That's a more appropriate amount of volume uh trying appropriate amount of volume uh trying appropriate amount of volume uh trying to consider that. And so I I like that. to consider that. And so I I like that. to consider that. And so I I like that. And hey, if you have days where you get And hey, if you have days where you get And hey, if you have days where you get great rest, food's all prepped, you great rest, food's all prepped, you great rest, food's all prepped, you train, and you want to do more, go for a train, and you want to do more, go for a train, and you want to do more, go for a walk, walk, walk, >> you know, move move or do mobility, do >> you know, move move or do mobility, do >> you know, move move or do mobility, do some other type of activity, but that some other type of activity, but that some other type of activity, but that amount of that volume focused on amount of that volume focused on amount of that volume focused on strength, eating well, I I think would strength, eating well, I I think would strength, eating well, I I think would serve you best. serve you best. serve you best. >> Great suggestion for sure. >> Great suggestion for sure. >> Great suggestion for sure. >> Yeah, that's perfect. Totally agree. >> Yeah, that's perfect. Totally agree. >> Yeah, that's perfect. Totally agree. >> Okay. And I was so and I mean that's >> Okay. And I was so and I mean that's >> Okay. And I was so and I mean that's awesome. Um and like I said I'm I'm awesome. Um and like I said I'm I'm awesome. Um and like I said I'm I'm catching up on episodes. So I I'd heard catching up on episodes. So I I'd heard catching up on episodes. So I I'd heard that you had some like 15 versions of a that you had some like 15 versions of a that you had some like 15 versions of a lot of your other programs. So I wasn't lot of your other programs. So I wasn't lot of your other programs. So I wasn't sure what you had yet. Um before my sure what you had yet. Um before my sure what you had yet. Um before my daughter was born I was so my daughter was born I was so my daughter was born I was so my maintenance calories is around 3,000ish. maintenance calories is around 3,000ish. maintenance calories is around 3,000ish. Um I'm 5'9 about 175 and 15 to 16% body Um I'm 5'9 about 175 and 15 to 16% body Um I'm 5'9 about 175 and 15 to 16% body fat. I was running right before she was fat. I was running right before she was fat. I was running right before she was born. I was running right around um I born. I was running right around um I born. I was running right around um I was doing symmetry running right around was doing symmetry running right around was doing symmetry running right around maintenance with maybe just a slight um maintenance with maybe just a slight um maintenance with maybe just a slight um just a slight deficit cuz I would really just a slight deficit cuz I would really just a slight deficit cuz I would really still like to lean out. Um but I didn't still like to lean out. Um but I didn't still like to lean out. Um but I didn't want to go too hard and um um part of me want to go too hard and um um part of me want to go too hard and um um part of me was feeling like you uh if I run the was feeling like you uh if I run the was feeling like you uh if I run the strength program or the powerlift strength program or the powerlift strength program or the powerlift program. Um I don't know if I should try program. Um I don't know if I should try program. Um I don't know if I should try to push calories. Um I haven't really to push calories. Um I haven't really to push calories. Um I haven't really counted the last um the last three weeks counted the last um the last three weeks counted the last um the last three weeks since she's been born. I don't know if since she's been born. I don't know if since she's been born. I don't know if you'd suggest pushing calories. you'd suggest pushing calories. you'd suggest pushing calories. >> I don't think so. So, I think if your >> I don't think so. So, I think if your >> I don't think so. So, I think if your calories, if you keep them consistent, calories, if you keep them consistent, calories, if you keep them consistent, the reduction in volume should take care the reduction in volume should take care the reduction in volume should take care of that. Now, you could bump the of that. Now, you could bump the of that. Now, you could bump the calories and and make it happen a little calories and and make it happen a little calories and and make it happen a little faster, but I don't think you need to faster, but I don't think you need to faster, but I don't think you need to bump much. You can go up a couple bump much. You can go up a couple bump much. You can go up a couple hundred calories. hundred calories. hundred calories. >> You're in a good place. 3 3,000, you >> You're in a good place. 3 3,000, you >> You're in a good place. 3 3,000, you know, your your size is a good amount of know, your your size is a good amount of know, your your size is a good amount of calories, so you're you're in a good calories, so you're you're in a good calories, so you're you're in a good place. place. place. >> Yeah. So, you could go up 100 or 200 >> Yeah. So, you could go up 100 or 200 >> Yeah. So, you could go up 100 or 200 calories or keep it the same. But mass calories or keep it the same. But mass calories or keep it the same. But mass 15 powerlift, the reduced volume, I 15 powerlift, the reduced volume, I 15 powerlift, the reduced volume, I think we'll handle that. think we'll handle that. think we'll handle that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. That's awesome. And >> Okay. All right. That's awesome. And >> Okay. All right. That's awesome. And then, um, one more one more question I then, um, one more one more question I then, um, one more one more question I had in there. So, um, obviously my wife had in there. So, um, obviously my wife had in there. So, um, obviously my wife is postpartum right now, and she and she is postpartum right now, and she and she is postpartum right now, and she and she she came to me. I want to preface this she came to me. I want to preface this she came to me. I want to preface this with this. She came to me and said that with this. She came to me and said that with this. She came to me and said that once she was done and recovered and once she was done and recovered and once she was done and recovered and cleared by the doctor, she wanted me to cleared by the doctor, she wanted me to cleared by the doctor, she wanted me to help get her back. I'm obviously not a help get her back. I'm obviously not a help get her back. I'm obviously not a personal trainer, but I've learned a lot personal trainer, but I've learned a lot personal trainer, but I've learned a lot from you guys listened to over 2,000 from you guys listened to over 2,000 from you guys listened to over 2,000 episodes. Um, so just if I if you guys episodes. Um, so just if I if you guys episodes. Um, so just if I if you guys have just some basic guidelines, um, have just some basic guidelines, um, have just some basic guidelines, um, ways to handle certain things, bringing ways to handle certain things, bringing ways to handle certain things, bringing her back from postpartum. her back from postpartum. her back from postpartum. >> Map starter. Yeah, that's the program. >> Map starter. Yeah, that's the program. >> Map starter. Yeah, that's the program. Nothing more than that. Nothing more Nothing more than that. Nothing more Nothing more than that. Nothing more than that. Map starter and that's it. than that. Map starter and that's it. than that. Map starter and that's it. And be very kind. give your wife a lot And be very kind. give your wife a lot And be very kind. give your wife a lot of grace of grace of grace >> and help her give grace to herself >> and help her give grace to herself >> and help her give grace to herself because she might get frustrated because she might get frustrated because she might get frustrated >> uh with the whole process, but that's >> uh with the whole process, but that's >> uh with the whole process, but that's the perfect program postpartum. the perfect program postpartum. the perfect program postpartum. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Okay, sounds good. I appreciate it. Um >> Okay, sounds good. I appreciate it. Um >> Okay, sounds good. I appreciate it. Um just one more thing, I appreciate all just one more thing, I appreciate all just one more thing, I appreciate all that you guys do. It's been super that you guys do. It's been super that you guys do. It's been super life-changing um for me. Um S, I love life-changing um for me. Um S, I love life-changing um for me. Um S, I love what you're doing with Call to His what you're doing with Call to His what you're doing with Call to His Kingdom. That's been a really cool thing Kingdom. That's been a really cool thing Kingdom. That's been a really cool thing to follow um on the regular basis. Um, to follow um on the regular basis. Um, to follow um on the regular basis. Um, I'm actually I I sent you a message a I'm actually I I sent you a message a I'm actually I I sent you a message a few weeks ago. Um, a prayer request for few weeks ago. Um, a prayer request for few weeks ago. Um, a prayer request for my daughter and I appreciate you my daughter and I appreciate you my daughter and I appreciate you responding. That really meant a lot. Um, responding. That really meant a lot. Um, responding. That really meant a lot. Um, and uh, but yeah, just keep everything and uh, but yeah, just keep everything and uh, but yeah, just keep everything up that you're doing. I love it. And by up that you're doing. I love it. And by up that you're doing. I love it. And by the way, S, if you're looking for some the way, S, if you're looking for some the way, S, if you're looking for some uh, Christianbased uh, heavier workout uh, Christianbased uh, heavier workout uh, Christianbased uh, heavier workout music, I don't know if you've ever tried music, I don't know if you've ever tried music, I don't know if you've ever tried Skillet before, but you should check out Skillet before, but you should check out Skillet before, but you should check out Skillet. They got some good stuff. Skillet. They got some good stuff. Skillet. They got some good stuff. >> Justin recommend >> Justin recommend >> Justin recommend Yeah. Skillet. Skillet's my go-to. Um, Yeah. Skillet. Skillet's my go-to. Um, Yeah. Skillet. Skillet's my go-to. Um, they they were actually here in town they they were actually here in town they they were actually here in town where I'm at a few months ago, so real where I'm at a few months ago, so real where I'm at a few months ago, so real good stuff. good stuff. good stuff. >> Awesome. I appreciate it. Thanks, man. >> Awesome. I appreciate it. Thanks, man. >> Awesome. I appreciate it. Thanks, man. >> Thank you, bro. >> Thank you, bro. >> Thank you, bro. >> Yeah. So much. Thank you guys. >> Yeah. So much. Thank you guys. >> Yeah. So much. Thank you guys. >> You got it, brother. >> You got it, brother. >> You got it, brother. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that's great. I think he was still his >> that's great. I think he was still his >> that's great. I think he was still his pre-workout was still in his system when pre-workout was still in his system when pre-workout was still in his system when he was on fire. he was on fire. he was on fire. >> He's on fire. >> He's on fire. >> He's on fire. >> He just got lifted caffeine. >> He just got lifted caffeine. >> He just got lifted caffeine. >> No, I mean, great suggestion, Adam. I >> No, I mean, great suggestion, Adam. I >> No, I mean, great suggestion, Adam. I mean, he wouldn't even I don't even mean, he wouldn't even I don't even mean, he wouldn't even I don't even think he needed to bump calories because think he needed to bump calories because think he needed to bump calories because of the reduced volume. of the reduced volume. of the reduced volume. >> He's in a good He's in a perfect place. >> He's in a good He's in a perfect place. >> He's in a good He's in a perfect place. >> Yeah, dude. He's doing a good job, man. >> Yeah, dude. He's doing a good job, man. >> Yeah, dude. He's doing a good job, man. That's so awesome. That's so awesome. That's so awesome. >> 3,000 calories. >> 3,000 calories. >> 3,000 calories. >> He does. Listen, that's for sure. Yeah, >> He does. Listen, that's for sure. Yeah, >> He does. Listen, that's for sure. Yeah, I I definitely think that uh yeah, I I I definitely think that uh yeah, I I I definitely think that uh yeah, I think I think it's a safer bet. I mean, think I think it's a safer bet. I mean, think I think it's a safer bet. I mean, he could do more, he could do more, he could do more, >> but you know, you got a you got a 3-week >> but you know, you got a you got a 3-week >> but you know, you got a you got a 3-week old, you know, I remember how cocky I old, you know, I remember how cocky I old, you know, I remember how cocky I was the first 10 days. Remember? was the first 10 days. Remember? was the first 10 days. Remember? >> Oh, yeah. I mean, it's easy, guys. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, it's easy, guys. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, it's easy, guys. >> When when they when it's hard when they >> When when they when it's hard when they >> When when they when it's hard when they just are bored, bro, they still think just are bored, bro, they still think just are bored, bro, they still think they're in the womb. They just sleep for they're in the womb. They just sleep for they're in the womb. They just sleep for like the first week. You know what I'm like the first week. You know what I'm like the first week. You know what I'm saying? And then and then they wake up. saying? And then and then they wake up. saying? And then and then they wake up. You know what I'm saying? Like, so he's You know what I'm saying? Like, so he's You know what I'm saying? Like, so he's still got that coming. So, uh yeah, I still got that coming. So, uh yeah, I still got that coming. So, uh yeah, I think Mass 15 Protocol is better think Mass 15 Protocol is better think Mass 15 Protocol is better protocol. protocol. protocol. >> Love it. All right. I know you like that >> Love it. All right. I know you like that >> Love it. All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. episode. If you did, check this one out. episode. If you did, check this one out. Walking. It's one of the best things you Walking. It's one of the best things you Walking. It's one of the best things you could do for your health, bar none. But could do for your health, bar none. But could do for your health, bar none. But there's a better way to approach it. there's a better way to approach it. there's a better way to approach it. Yes, you can just walk, but if you Yes, you can just walk, but if you Yes, you can just walk, but if you follow the right protocol, it's far more follow the right protocol, it's far more follow the right protocol, it's far more effective. Let's talk about effective. Let's talk about effective. Let's talk about >> walking. I can't wait to hear your >> walking. I can't wait to hear your >> walking. I can't wait to hear your walking protocol. walking protocol. walking protocol. >> Well, there is. Well, there is a >> Well, there is. Well, there is a >> Well, there is. Well, there is a protocol. So, and I'll start with the protocol. So, and I'll start with the protocol. So, and I'll start with the first thing, right? Cuz first thing, right? Cuz first thing, right? Cuz >> just first off, uh let me start with >> just first off, uh let me start with >> just first off, uh let me start with this. One of the reasons why walking um this. One of the reasons why walking um this. One of the reasons why walking um is such a great form of just activity is is such a great form of just activity is is such a great form of just activity is because it's low risk of injury.