How UFC Star Ben Askren Cheated Death

Welcome back to life, dude. Welcome back to life, dude. >> Well, I've been I've been living again >> Well, I've been I've been living again >> Well, I've been I've been living again for quite a while now. Um, June 28th was for quite a while now. Um, June 28th was for quite a while now. Um, June 28th was actually the day I got the transplant actually the day I got the transplant actually the day I got the transplant last year, so coming up on a year for last year, so coming up on a year for last year, so coming up on a year for that. Uh, I think I believe I woke up on that. Uh, I think I believe I woke up on that. Uh, I think I believe I woke up on July 2nd or somewhere around there or, July 2nd or somewhere around there or, July 2nd or somewhere around there or, you know, like came to in my own mind. you know, like came to in my own mind. you know, like came to in my own mind. Um, so yeah, it's been a process, but Um, so yeah, it's been a process, but Um, so yeah, it's been a process, but I'm here. I'm getting better. Uh, and I'm here. I'm getting better. Uh, and I'm here. I'm getting better. Uh, and life's pretty good. So, one year ago life's pretty good. So, one year ago life's pretty good. So, one year ago from now, you were really in the [ __ ] from now, you were really in the [ __ ] from now, you were really in the [ __ ] >> Well, I just made a post yesterday >> Well, I just made a post yesterday >> Well, I just made a post yesterday because on June 6th, which was two days because on June 6th, which was two days because on June 6th, which was two days ago, Saturday, I got inducted into the ago, Saturday, I got inducted into the ago, Saturday, I got inducted into the National Wrestling Hall of Fame. And National Wrestling Hall of Fame. And National Wrestling Hall of Fame. And when I went home or went back to hotel when I went home or went back to hotel when I went home or went back to hotel with my wife, I said, "Didn't I get with my wife, I said, "Didn't I get with my wife, I said, "Didn't I get airlifted June 6th last year?" So, last airlifted June 6th last year?" So, last airlifted June 6th last year?" So, last year on June 6th, I was in Vegas and I year on June 6th, I was in Vegas and I year on June 6th, I was in Vegas and I went first the first hospital, second went first the first hospital, second went first the first hospital, second hospital, and then we had some friends hospital, and then we had some friends hospital, and then we had some friends that came out that were one was the that came out that were one was the that came out that were one was the doctor, one was a nurse, and they said, doctor, one was a nurse, and they said, doctor, one was a nurse, and they said, "You ain't he's not going to make it to "You ain't he's not going to make it to "You ain't he's not going to make it to this hospital. we need to get him back this hospital. we need to get him back this hospital. we need to get him back to Milwaukee because they have a good uh to Milwaukee because they have a good uh to Milwaukee because they have a good uh it's called CVICU it's called CVICU it's called CVICU uh cardiovascular intensive care unit uh cardiovascular intensive care unit uh cardiovascular intensive care unit and they they got me a flight. They put and they they got me a flight. They put and they they got me a flight. They put me on a plane uh took me all the way me on a plane uh took me all the way me on a plane uh took me all the way back and I said to my wife, "Why was back and I said to my wife, "Why was back and I said to my wife, "Why was that such a bad day?" Cuz I don't that such a bad day?" Cuz I don't that such a bad day?" Cuz I don't remember. I was sleeping. And she said remember. I was sleeping. And she said remember. I was sleeping. And she said to transport me, they had to fully to transport me, they had to fully to transport me, they had to fully paralyze my body. Um and then when I got paralyze my body. Um and then when I got paralyze my body. Um and then when I got back to Milwaukee, they put me on ECMO. back to Milwaukee, they put me on ECMO. back to Milwaukee, they put me on ECMO. And with ECMO, there's I think there's And with ECMO, there's I think there's And with ECMO, there's I think there's only like a 40% chance you come off only like a 40% chance you come off only like a 40% chance you come off ECMO. A lot of people go on it don't ECMO. A lot of people go on it don't ECMO. A lot of people go on it don't come off it. So, uh, they were hoping I come off it. So, uh, they were hoping I come off it. So, uh, they were hoping I wouldn't have to do that. I did have to wouldn't have to do that. I did have to wouldn't have to do that. I did have to do that. So, June 6th last year, do that. So, June 6th last year, do that. So, June 6th last year, although I don't remember anything. It although I don't remember anything. It although I don't remember anything. It was quite eventful. was quite eventful. was quite eventful. >> And then this year, you got to >> And then this year, you got to >> And then this year, you got to celebrate. So, it's, you know, is full celebrate. So, it's, you know, is full celebrate. So, it's, you know, is full circle. For the people who don't know circle. For the people who don't know circle. For the people who don't know what we're talking about, could you what we're talking about, could you what we're talking about, could you could you explain what's happened over could you explain what's happened over could you explain what's happened over the last 12 months? the last 12 months? the last 12 months? >> Yeah. Um, well, May May 28th last year, >> Yeah. Um, well, May May 28th last year, >> Yeah. Um, well, May May 28th last year, uh, 2025, um, I went to the hospital. I uh, 2025, um, I went to the hospital. I uh, 2025, um, I went to the hospital. I actually went to the hospital on the day actually went to the hospital on the day actually went to the hospital on the day before. Also, May 27th, my back was before. Also, May 27th, my back was before. Also, May 27th, my back was hurting. just a back back pain. I hurting. just a back back pain. I hurting. just a back back pain. I thought it was a back spasm. That was thought it was a back spasm. That was thought it was a back spasm. That was it, you know. And on May 27th, I tested it, you know. And on May 27th, I tested it, you know. And on May 27th, I tested everything was normal. Did all the everything was normal. Did all the everything was normal. Did all the vitals and and I told my wife, "See, I vitals and and I told my wife, "See, I vitals and and I told my wife, "See, I told you I was just a back spasm." And told you I was just a back spasm." And told you I was just a back spasm." And the doctor gave me medicine for a back the doctor gave me medicine for a back the doctor gave me medicine for a back spasm. And I went back to the hotel. We spasm. And I went back to the hotel. We spasm. And I went back to the hotel. We were at the Bitcoin conference and it were at the Bitcoin conference and it were at the Bitcoin conference and it got worse and the medicine did not work got worse and the medicine did not work got worse and the medicine did not work at all, which that's never happened. at all, which that's never happened. at all, which that's never happened. I've had, you know, a handful of I've had, you know, a handful of I've had, you know, a handful of backpor. And then, you know, I was up most of the And then, you know, I was up most of the night trying to make it feel better. night trying to make it feel better. night trying to make it feel better. And when I woke up in the morning, so And when I woke up in the morning, so And when I woke up in the morning, so sometime in the middle of the night, I'd sometime in the middle of the night, I'd sometime in the middle of the night, I'd finally fallen asleep. When I woke up in finally fallen asleep. When I woke up in finally fallen asleep. When I woke up in the morning, it was a little bit later. the morning, it was a little bit later. the morning, it was a little bit later. And she had been videotaping me And she had been videotaping me And she had been videotaping me sleeping. And she had sent it to a few sleeping. And she had sent it to a few sleeping. And she had sent it to a few of our doctor friends, and they said, of our doctor friends, and they said, of our doctor friends, and they said, "You need to get him to the hospital as "You need to get him to the hospital as "You need to get him to the hospital as soon as you can." So, when I woke up, soon as you can." So, when I woke up, soon as you can." So, when I woke up, um, um, um, >> what was what was happening while you >> what was what was happening while you >> what was what was happening while you were sleeping? were sleeping? were sleeping? >> I was like super like super fast and >> I was like super like super fast and >> I was like super like super fast and hard breathing, right? Um, and so when I hard breathing, right? Um, and so when I hard breathing, right? Um, and so when I woke up, my wife's like, "Hey, we're woke up, my wife's like, "Hey, we're woke up, my wife's like, "Hey, we're we're going to the hospital." I said, we're going to the hospital." I said, we're going to the hospital." I said, "Dude, you made me go to you make me go "Dude, you made me go to you make me go "Dude, you made me go to you make me go to the hospital." I say, "I'm not going to the hospital." I say, "I'm not going to the hospital." I say, "I'm not going back to the hospital, damn it. Um, you back to the hospital, damn it. Um, you back to the hospital, damn it. Um, you know, I got stuff I want to do today. I know, I got stuff I want to do today. I know, I got stuff I want to do today. I don't want to go to the hospital." And don't want to go to the hospital." And don't want to go to the hospital." And she's like, "No, you got to go to the she's like, "No, you got to go to the she's like, "No, you got to go to the hospital." So eventually they convinced hospital." So eventually they convinced hospital." So eventually they convinced me to go to the hospital and it was the me to go to the hospital and it was the me to go to the hospital and it was the same place as the day before. We went same place as the day before. We went same place as the day before. We went there and I remember walking in in the there and I remember walking in in the there and I remember walking in in the waiting room and then that's it. I don't waiting room and then that's it. I don't waiting room and then that's it. I don't remember anything. I woke up in July remember anything. I woke up in July remember anything. I woke up in July 2nd. I didn't know where I was. I didn't 2nd. I didn't know where I was. I didn't 2nd. I didn't know where I was. I didn't know why I was there. I don't remember know why I was there. I don't remember know why I was there. I don't remember anything. I was asleep for I want to say anything. I was asleep for I want to say anything. I was asleep for I want to say it was I think it was 37 days, I it was I think it was 37 days, I it was I think it was 37 days, I believe. believe. believe. >> So, you you transported from kind of >> So, you you transported from kind of >> So, you you transported from kind of being a bit irritated that you were back being a bit irritated that you were back being a bit irritated that you were back at the same hospital for what you at the same hospital for what you at the same hospital for what you thought might be a back spasm for the thought might be a back spasm for the thought might be a back spasm for the second time and your wife being a little second time and your wife being a little second time and your wife being a little bit overbearing. bit overbearing. bit overbearing. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> To now it's July and what the [ __ ] am I >> To now it's July and what the [ __ ] am I >> To now it's July and what the [ __ ] am I Oh, and I'm in a totally different I'm Oh, and I'm in a totally different I'm Oh, and I'm in a totally different I'm in a totally different hospital now. in a totally different hospital now. in a totally different hospital now. >> Well, I woke up and it was uh you know, >> Well, I woke up and it was uh you know, >> Well, I woke up and it was uh you know, I say wake up. I was awake sometimes, I say wake up. I was awake sometimes, I say wake up. I was awake sometimes, but I I uh to my recollection, I I don't but I I uh to my recollection, I I don't but I I uh to my recollection, I I don't recall any any of it. Nothing. And so recall any any of it. Nothing. And so recall any any of it. Nothing. And so that when I when I like wake up the that when I when I like wake up the that when I when I like wake up the first time or when I come to some type first time or when I come to some type first time or when I come to some type of cognitive understanding of what's of cognitive understanding of what's of cognitive understanding of what's going on. Yeah. going on. Yeah. going on. Yeah. >> Um it was it was the middle of the >> Um it was it was the middle of the >> Um it was it was the middle of the night. It was dark. I obviously quickly night. It was dark. I obviously quickly night. It was dark. I obviously quickly realized I was in a hospital and I realized I was in a hospital and I realized I was in a hospital and I started thinking like, how did I end up started thinking like, how did I end up started thinking like, how did I end up here? Why am I here? I didn't remember here? Why am I here? I didn't remember here? Why am I here? I didn't remember going in Vegas. It was how am I here? going in Vegas. It was how am I here? going in Vegas. It was how am I here? Why am I here? And then I couldn't speak Why am I here? And then I couldn't speak Why am I here? And then I couldn't speak at all. And so I I don't even recall how at all. And so I I don't even recall how at all. And so I I don't even recall how it happened but for some way I you know it happened but for some way I you know it happened but for some way I you know signal to the nurse like why am I here? signal to the nurse like why am I here? signal to the nurse like why am I here? What am I doing? And they told me I had What am I doing? And they told me I had What am I doing? And they told me I had a double lung transplant and you know a double lung transplant and you know a double lung transplant and you know again I couldn't talk and it was like again I couldn't talk and it was like again I couldn't talk and it was like okay why do I have a double lung okay why do I have a double lung okay why do I have a double lung transplant? I have I don't know. I have transplant? I have I don't know. I have transplant? I have I don't know. I have no idea what how that would happen. I'm no idea what how that would happen. I'm no idea what how that would happen. I'm totally healthy. I've never smoked. I've totally healthy. I've never smoked. I've totally healthy. I've never smoked. I've never done anything. Um and then never done anything. Um and then never done anything. Um and then eventually my wife came in the morning eventually my wife came in the morning eventually my wife came in the morning whatever that you know the next morning whatever that you know the next morning whatever that you know the next morning or whatever and she had documented or whatever and she had documented or whatever and she had documented everything. So it was like a dayby-day everything. So it was like a dayby-day everything. So it was like a dayby-day journal of you know June 2nd this journal of you know June 2nd this journal of you know June 2nd this happened June 4th this happened and I happened June 4th this happened and I happened June 4th this happened and I had to read through it and I was like oh had to read through it and I was like oh had to read through it and I was like oh my god what like how did this ever my god what like how did this ever my god what like how did this ever happened? Um and yeah so that was kind happened? Um and yeah so that was kind happened? Um and yeah so that was kind of my recollection of waking up and kind of my recollection of waking up and kind of my recollection of waking up and kind of figuring out what was going on. So, of figuring out what was going on. So, of figuring out what was going on. So, retrospectively, I know that you weren't retrospectively, I know that you weren't retrospectively, I know that you weren't awake to be able to work out this from a awake to be able to work out this from a awake to be able to work out this from a first-person view. What you go into the first-person view. What you go into the first-person view. What you go into the waiting room and then what happens from waiting room and then what happens from waiting room and then what happens from there? there? there? >> Um, well, so I had a staff infection on >> Um, well, so I had a staff infection on >> Um, well, so I had a staff infection on my elbow. my elbow. my elbow. >> Um, I don't know if you've ever got one >> Um, I don't know if you've ever got one >> Um, I don't know if you've ever got one or not, but you know, sometimes like I or not, but you know, sometimes like I or not, but you know, sometimes like I all my life I've only had to get on an all my life I've only had to get on an all my life I've only had to get on an uh antibiotic a singular time. um you uh antibiotic a singular time. um you uh antibiotic a singular time. um you know, you get a cut, you get a little know, you get a cut, you get a little know, you get a cut, you get a little infected, you put some antibacterial on infected, you put some antibacterial on infected, you put some antibacterial on there, you wash, you shower, you clean there, you wash, you shower, you clean there, you wash, you shower, you clean it up, and it goes away. And that was it up, and it goes away. And that was it up, and it goes away. And that was what happened to me. I had a little what happened to me. I had a little what happened to me. I had a little infection on my elbow. I washed, I infection on my elbow. I washed, I infection on my elbow. I washed, I showered, I soaked it, I added showered, I soaked it, I added showered, I soaked it, I added bacterial, and within a couple days, it bacterial, and within a couple days, it bacterial, and within a couple days, it it was gone. And I didn't think much of it was gone. And I didn't think much of it was gone. And I didn't think much of it, you know, and then I made no it, you know, and then I made no it, you know, and then I made no connection, but about four days later, connection, but about four days later, connection, but about four days later, my my back was started hurting and I my my back was started hurting and I my my back was started hurting and I thought, okay, this is the back spasm. thought, okay, this is the back spasm. thought, okay, this is the back spasm. And everyone always said, you would do And everyone always said, you would do And everyone always said, you would do it differently. And I said, no, I it differently. And I said, no, I it differently. And I said, no, I wouldn't. How who ever could guess, oh wouldn't. How who ever could guess, oh wouldn't. How who ever could guess, oh yeah, my back hurts because my body's yeah, my back hurts because my body's yeah, my back hurts because my body's eating my lungs from the inside. Like, eating my lungs from the inside. Like, eating my lungs from the inside. Like, no one's ever heard of that. That's no one's ever heard of that. That's no one's ever heard of that. That's totally ridiculous. So, the staff got totally ridiculous. So, the staff got totally ridiculous. So, the staff got into my blood and it turned into a a into my blood and it turned into a a into my blood and it turned into a a necro called necrotyping pneumonia in necro called necrotyping pneumonia in necro called necrotyping pneumonia in which uh my body was essentially eating which uh my body was essentially eating which uh my body was essentially eating my lungs from the inside out. That was my lungs from the inside out. That was my lungs from the inside out. That was what the back pain was. So, I dealt with what the back pain was. So, I dealt with what the back pain was. So, I dealt with that for about I think five days before that for about I think five days before that for about I think five days before I ended up in the hospital. And then so I ended up in the hospital. And then so I ended up in the hospital. And then so when I was in the hospital, it was like when I was in the hospital, it was like when I was in the hospital, it was like really bad like sepsis and necroizing really bad like sepsis and necroizing really bad like sepsis and necroizing pneumonia. Um and yeah, so they they pneumonia. Um and yeah, so they they pneumonia. Um and yeah, so they they tried doing all they could to kind of tried doing all they could to kind of tried doing all they could to kind of like save my lungs and and keep me like save my lungs and and keep me like save my lungs and and keep me alive. And at some point it became the alive. And at some point it became the alive. And at some point it became the only way I was going to stay alive was only way I was going to stay alive was only way I was going to stay alive was to have a uh lung transplant, which you to have a uh lung transplant, which you to have a uh lung transplant, which you know, again, I wasn't awake for any of know, again, I wasn't awake for any of know, again, I wasn't awake for any of this. Um and so I believe I was in the this. Um and so I believe I was in the this. Um and so I believe I was in the Milwaukee hospital for about three weeks Milwaukee hospital for about three weeks Milwaukee hospital for about three weeks before that happened. And then I got the before that happened. And then I got the before that happened. And then I got the lung transplant and uh I think I was lung transplant and uh I think I was lung transplant and uh I think I was still kind of like unconscious for about still kind of like unconscious for about still kind of like unconscious for about six more days after that and then I woke six more days after that and then I woke six more days after that and then I woke up and there I was. up and there I was. up and there I was. >> [ __ ] me. Where do you get >> [ __ ] me. Where do you get >> [ __ ] me. Where do you get >> Where do you get lungs from? >> Where do you get lungs from? >> Where do you get lungs from? >> That's what I said. >> That's what I said. >> That's what I said. Um Um Um I I don't know. Uh I actually wrote to I I don't know. Uh I actually wrote to I I don't know. Uh I actually wrote to the donor family. The donor family has the donor family. The donor family has the donor family. The donor family has not responded. Obviously two from the not responded. Obviously two from the not responded. Obviously two from the same person. same person. same person. >> Yeah. Yeah. But you don't you can't you >> Yeah. Yeah. But you don't you can't you >> Yeah. Yeah. But you don't you can't you can't mix and match two lungs. can't mix and match two lungs. can't mix and match two lungs. >> Oh, I actually think you can. Uh, no, I >> Oh, I actually think you can. Uh, no, I >> Oh, I actually think you can. Uh, no, I know you can because I talked to a guy know you can because I talked to a guy know you can because I talked to a guy in the hospital about it, you know. And in the hospital about it, you know. And in the hospital about it, you know. And that's one that's where um you think that's one that's where um you think that's one that's where um you think about life and you think about gratitude about life and you think about gratitude about life and you think about gratitude and you never want to take anything for and you never want to take anything for and you never want to take anything for granted. And I always think about the granted. And I always think about the granted. And I always think about the people I meet in the hospital now. Uh people I meet in the hospital now. Uh people I meet in the hospital now. Uh this was a while ago now probably four this was a while ago now probably four this was a while ago now probably four months ago but I was in for one of my months ago but I was in for one of my months ago but I was in for one of my kind of routine checkups and this this kind of routine checkups and this this kind of routine checkups and this this guy comes up to me and you know I'm I'm guy comes up to me and you know I'm I'm guy comes up to me and you know I'm I'm waiting to go inside the you know to waiting to go inside the you know to waiting to go inside the you know to meet the doctors and so a lot of the meet the doctors and so a lot of the meet the doctors and so a lot of the same similar type people in the similar same similar type people in the similar same similar type people in the similar area. So he had a lung transplant and area. So he had a lung transplant and area. So he had a lung transplant and you know I think okay I was I was you know I think okay I was I was you know I think okay I was I was unconscious for 36 days and I was in the unconscious for 36 days and I was in the unconscious for 36 days and I was in the hospital for I think it was 73 total or hospital for I think it was 73 total or hospital for I think it was 73 total or something which is quite a long time and something which is quite a long time and something which is quite a long time and it wasn't fun but then this guy was in it wasn't fun but then this guy was in it wasn't fun but then this guy was in the hospital for nine months and he was the hospital for nine months and he was the hospital for nine months and he was sick and he got a double lung transplant sick and he got a double lung transplant sick and he got a double lung transplant and then almost immediately one of the and then almost immediately one of the and then almost immediately one of the two lungs rejected. I don't know why or two lungs rejected. I don't know why or two lungs rejected. I don't know why or how. I'm not a medical doctor. I can't how. I'm not a medical doctor. I can't how. I'm not a medical doctor. I can't tell what happened. And he got a tell what happened. And he got a tell what happened. And he got a different lung from a different person different lung from a different person different lung from a different person and he is now living with two new lungs and he is now living with two new lungs and he is now living with two new lungs from two different people. So I always I from two different people. So I always I from two different people. So I always I try to reflect on yes, my situation was try to reflect on yes, my situation was try to reflect on yes, my situation was tough, but it could always be tougher tough, but it could always be tougher tough, but it could always be tougher and at the end of the day, I could and at the end of the day, I could and at the end of the day, I could always not be here. So I'm quite always not be here. So I'm quite always not be here. So I'm quite grateful for what happened. grateful for what happened. grateful for what happened. >> Where do they how do the lungs come out? >> Where do they how do the lungs come out? >> Where do they how do the lungs come out? >> They cut you right. I don't know if you >> They cut you right. I don't know if you >> They cut you right. I don't know if you guys can see this, but Right. They guys can see this, but Right. They guys can see this, but Right. They >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> They split you right in half. Yeah. So, >> They split you right in half. Yeah. So, >> They split you right in half. Yeah. So, they're not taking it from like under they're not taking it from like under they're not taking it from like under They're not reaching under the rib cage They're not reaching under the rib cage They're not reaching under the rib cage and pulling it down. Are they cracking and pulling it down. Are they cracking and pulling it down. Are they cracking the rib cage open? the rib cage open? the rib cage open? >> You know, you know what, Chris? I've >> You know, you know what, Chris? I've >> You know, you know what, Chris? I've never had the balls to go look exactly never had the balls to go look exactly never had the balls to go look exactly how they do it. how they do it. how they do it. >> No way. >> No way. >> No way. >> No, I don't want to. >> No, I don't want to. >> No, I don't want to. >> You just didn't want to know. >> You just didn't want to know. >> You just didn't want to know. >> I don't It's called the Well, I mean, >> I don't It's called the Well, I mean, >> I don't It's called the Well, I mean, you can Google Go look it up if you you can Google Go look it up if you you can Google Go look it up if you want. It's called the clam shell in clam want. It's called the clam shell in clam want. It's called the clam shell in clam shell incision is what it's called. Um I shell incision is what it's called. Um I shell incision is what it's called. Um I could see exactly where I've been cut. I could see exactly where I've been cut. I could see exactly where I've been cut. I know what it feels like. Um, but no, I know what it feels like. Um, but no, I know what it feels like. Um, but no, I I've never had the balls to uh go look I've never had the balls to uh go look I've never had the balls to uh go look up and see exactly how they open you up. up and see exactly how they open you up. up and see exactly how they open you up. >> I guess >> I guess >> I guess >> I feel like that'll gross me out a >> I feel like that'll gross me out a >> I feel like that'll gross me out a little too much. little too much. little too much. >> Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I suppose. So, I >> Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I suppose. So, I >> Yeah, maybe. Maybe. I suppose. So, I guess what's crazy is like they're going guess what's crazy is like they're going guess what's crazy is like they're going to have they have to reattach. It's like to have they have to reattach. It's like to have they have to reattach. It's like it's like basically plumbing. It's human it's like basically plumbing. It's human it's like basically plumbing. It's human plumbing. plumbing. plumbing. >> You're like reattaching or human AC >> You're like reattaching or human AC >> You're like reattaching or human AC ducting maybe more accurately. It's ducting maybe more accurately. It's ducting maybe more accurately. It's like, oh, there's a pipe that comes like, oh, there's a pipe that comes like, oh, there's a pipe that comes down. We got to get rid of this pipe. down. We got to get rid of this pipe. down. We got to get rid of this pipe. That pipe needs to be reconnected. That pipe needs to be reconnected. That pipe needs to be reconnected. >> I mean, I don't know how again if you >> I mean, I don't know how again if you >> I mean, I don't know how again if you haven't done your research, you haven't haven't done your research, you haven't haven't done your research, you haven't done your research. I want to know how done your research. I want to know how done your research. I want to know how when you're removing somebody's lungs, I when you're removing somebody's lungs, I when you're removing somebody's lungs, I need to know how they keep you breathing need to know how they keep you breathing need to know how they keep you breathing because you need because you need because you need >> oxygen to keep you [ __ ] going. But >> oxygen to keep you [ __ ] going. But >> oxygen to keep you [ __ ] going. But there's there has to be a moment when there's there has to be a moment when there's there has to be a moment when there's no lungs or there's a moment. there's no lungs or there's a moment. there's no lungs or there's a moment. >> There's a moment when there's four >> There's a moment when there's four >> There's a moment when there's four lungs. lungs. lungs. >> There's one of two choices. They either >> There's one of two choices. They either >> There's one of two choices. They either attach both at the same time and swat attach both at the same time and swat attach both at the same time and swat switch one out. switch one out. switch one out. >> Yeah. You know what? I don't know the >> Yeah. You know what? I don't know the >> Yeah. You know what? I don't know the answer to this. I should know the answer to this. I should know the answer to this. I should know the answer. I do know. I'll tell you this is answer. I do know. I'll tell you this is answer. I do know. I'll tell you this is gross. They said, the doctor did say it gross. They said, the doctor did say it gross. They said, the doctor did say it was the uh worst lung transplant she's was the uh worst lung transplant she's was the uh worst lung transplant she's ever seen because so many of my tissue ever seen because so many of my tissue ever seen because so many of my tissue died. It had like uh essentially like died. It had like uh essentially like died. It had like uh essentially like stick like glue to the walls of my ribs stick like glue to the walls of my ribs stick like glue to the walls of my ribs and stuff like that. So they had to like and stuff like that. So they had to like and stuff like that. So they had to like really scrape all the old lungs off the really scrape all the old lungs off the really scrape all the old lungs off the inside of my chest cavity inside of my chest cavity inside of my chest cavity >> because they would kind of decomposing >> because they would kind of decomposing >> because they would kind of decomposing inside of you. inside of you. inside of you. >> That's that's what she said. So she said >> That's that's what she said. So she said >> That's that's what she said. So she said it was uh it was one of the worst that it was uh it was one of the worst that it was uh it was one of the worst that they'd ever seen. Uh, it took I I don't they'd ever seen. Uh, it took I I don't they'd ever seen. Uh, it took I I don't remember what the time was now because I remember what the time was now because I remember what the time was now because I was half unconscious for a lot of the was half unconscious for a lot of the was half unconscious for a lot of the first time I was awake because she said first time I was awake because she said first time I was awake because she said it took them quite a while to actually it took them quite a while to actually it took them quite a while to actually clear it out and then, you know, get the clear it out and then, you know, get the clear it out and then, you know, get the new ones in. So, you know what? I don't new ones in. So, you know what? I don't new ones in. So, you know what? I don't know how I was bleeding at that point in know how I was bleeding at that point in know how I was bleeding at that point in time. time. time. >> Do people have any idea where this comes >> Do people have any idea where this comes >> Do people have any idea where this comes from? Is it it just randomly onsets? Is from? Is it it just randomly onsets? Is from? Is it it just randomly onsets? Is it a virus? Do you get it by it a virus? Do you get it by it a virus? Do you get it by >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> being on mats or what? >> being on mats or what? >> being on mats or what? Well, I think I got the original Well, I think I got the original Well, I think I got the original original staff infection, but to the original staff infection, but to the original staff infection, but to the point I made earlier, like it cleared up point I made earlier, like it cleared up point I made earlier, like it cleared up and it was no big deal. And it wasn't and it was no big deal. And it wasn't and it was no big deal. And it wasn't like I had the flu or I was sick or I like I had the flu or I was sick or I like I had the flu or I was sick or I was coughing or none of these things was coughing or none of these things was coughing or none of these things whatsoever. Um, and you know, the Kyle whatsoever. Um, and you know, the Kyle whatsoever. Um, and you know, the Kyle Bush thing that happened, that was a Bush thing that happened, that was a Bush thing that happened, that was a couple weeks back and it was weird. It couple weeks back and it was weird. It couple weeks back and it was weird. It was almost to the day of when mine was almost to the day of when mine was almost to the day of when mine happened the year prior. um sounded very happened the year prior. um sounded very happened the year prior. um sounded very very similar to what I what I went very similar to what I what I went very similar to what I what I went through and uh you know I have not through and uh you know I have not through and uh you know I have not grilled the doctor really really hard on grilled the doctor really really hard on grilled the doctor really really hard on why why exactly did this happen how did why why exactly did this happen how did why why exactly did this happen how did this happen or or that kind of stuff I this happen or or that kind of stuff I this happen or or that kind of stuff I guess I woke up and I said well this is guess I woke up and I said well this is guess I woke up and I said well this is my new reality how do how do I get my new reality how do how do I get my new reality how do how do I get better so I grilled him a lot on how how better so I grilled him a lot on how how better so I grilled him a lot on how how do I get better but I haven't grilled do I get better but I haven't grilled do I get better but I haven't grilled him on how did it happen him on how did it happen him on how did it happen >> that's really interesting mindset I >> that's really interesting mindset I >> that's really interesting mindset I >> I guess it's it's really only important >> I guess it's it's really only important >> I guess it's it's really only important for you to understand what happened in for you to understand what happened in for you to understand what happened in so far as it informs what you can do now so far as it informs what you can do now so far as it informs what you can do now to improve. to improve. to improve. >> Yeah. And uh you know what happened was >> Yeah. And uh you know what happened was >> Yeah. And uh you know what happened was I think probably something that's I think probably something that's I think probably something that's extreme extremely rare. Um you know I extreme extremely rare. Um you know I extreme extremely rare. Um you know I guess I could go back and ask him and guess I could go back and ask him and guess I could go back and ask him and honestly part of me thinks and and this honestly part of me thinks and and this honestly part of me thinks and and this is just me judging from what my wife is just me judging from what my wife is just me judging from what my wife said because my wife was obviously awake said because my wife was obviously awake said because my wife was obviously awake and talking to them all and she did a and talking to them all and she did a and talking to them all and she did a great job of kind of trying to connect great job of kind of trying to connect great job of kind of trying to connect everyone that could possibly help me. everyone that could possibly help me. everyone that could possibly help me. Um, but it was one of those things where Um, but it was one of those things where Um, but it was one of those things where they were having a hard time figuring they were having a hard time figuring they were having a hard time figuring out how I got that sick. You know, she out how I got that sick. You know, she out how I got that sick. You know, she brought up the cut of my elbow. She knew brought up the cut of my elbow. She knew brought up the cut of my elbow. She knew about that. But then they were asking about that. But then they were asking about that. But then they were asking all kinds of different questions on, all kinds of different questions on, all kinds of different questions on, well, was he doing this or was he doing well, was he doing this or was he doing well, was he doing this or was he doing that? Like they I think they thought, that? Like they I think they thought, that? Like they I think they thought, hey, this doesn't make sense either, you hey, this doesn't make sense either, you hey, this doesn't make sense either, you know, also. know, also. know, also. >> Okay. So, you wake up, you come around. >> Okay. So, you wake up, you come around. >> Okay. So, you wake up, you come around. >> What next, >> What next, >> What next, >> man? So, the first uh you know what's >> man? So, the first uh you know what's >> man? So, the first uh you know what's really funny? you think you're you're really funny? you think you're you're really funny? you think you're you're like fully conscious if you will once I like fully conscious if you will once I like fully conscious if you will once I woke up and you know now I look back on woke up and you know now I look back on woke up and you know now I look back on the first I don't know we'll say we'll the first I don't know we'll say we'll the first I don't know we'll say we'll say 10 days to two weeks and I was like say 10 days to two weeks and I was like say 10 days to two weeks and I was like holy [ __ ] I was out of my mind I mean holy [ __ ] I was out of my mind I mean holy [ __ ] I was out of my mind I mean now I get like there's this one two or now I get like there's this one two or now I get like there's this one two or three day period where I very vividly three day period where I very vividly three day period where I very vividly remember I do remember some things that remember I do remember some things that remember I do remember some things that for sure happened because I went back for sure happened because I went back for sure happened because I went back and I I cross reference it with people and I I cross reference it with people and I I cross reference it with people that were there and I said hey did this that were there and I said hey did this that were there and I said hey did this actually happen but then um like I actually happen but then um like I actually happen but then um like I thought I got transported to this thought I got transported to this thought I got transported to this hospital that was on the lake like half hospital that was on the lake like half hospital that was on the lake like half a mile from my house and there's no a mile from my house and there's no a mile from my house and there's no hospital there. That didn't exist. That hospital there. That didn't exist. That hospital there. That didn't exist. That was only in my mind for multiple days. was only in my mind for multiple days. was only in my mind for multiple days. Uh and I I know I kept threatening Uh and I I know I kept threatening Uh and I I know I kept threatening I kept threatening the nurses that I was I kept threatening the nurses that I was I kept threatening the nurses that I was going to walk home because I was just on going to walk home because I was just on going to walk home because I was just on the road. [laughter] I couldn't even walk. I couldn't walk. I couldn't even walk. I couldn't walk. You know, it's like the thought. You know, it's like the thought. You know, it's like the thought. >> It's a lie. It's a lie from every >> It's a lie. It's a lie from every >> It's a lie. It's a lie from every different direction. different direction. different direction. >> Yeah. So, you know, that the first >> Yeah. So, you know, that the first >> Yeah. So, you know, that the first couple weeks like um you know, I think I couple weeks like um you know, I think I couple weeks like um you know, I think I was on so many drugs. I did get off pain was on so many drugs. I did get off pain was on so many drugs. I did get off pain meds relatively quick, but um it's being meds relatively quick, but um it's being meds relatively quick, but um it's being the rest of stuff I was on. And then the rest of stuff I was on. And then the rest of stuff I was on. And then they call it like delirium because you they call it like delirium because you they call it like delirium because you don't sleep enough in the you know in don't sleep enough in the you know in don't sleep enough in the you know in the hospital. Um yeah, I had so many the hospital. Um yeah, I had so many the hospital. Um yeah, I had so many wild thoughts. Um you know, positive wild thoughts. Um you know, positive wild thoughts. Um you know, positive thing. I had a lot of friends visiting thing. I had a lot of friends visiting thing. I had a lot of friends visiting me. So that's like I know some of the me. So that's like I know some of the me. So that's like I know some of the things that I thought happened did things that I thought happened did things that I thought happened did happen because I said, "Hey, were you happen because I said, "Hey, were you happen because I said, "Hey, were you were you there when X Y or Z happened?" were you there when X Y or Z happened?" were you there when X Y or Z happened?" And they said, "Yeah." So I had a lot of And they said, "Yeah." So I had a lot of And they said, "Yeah." So I had a lot of friends visiting me. My wife visited me friends visiting me. My wife visited me friends visiting me. My wife visited me almost every day. My mom visited a lot. almost every day. My mom visited a lot. almost every day. My mom visited a lot. My dad. Um, so yeah, just kind of like My dad. Um, so yeah, just kind of like My dad. Um, so yeah, just kind of like waking up and figuring out how to do waking up and figuring out how to do waking up and figuring out how to do everything again because I couldn't everything again because I couldn't everything again because I couldn't walk, I couldn't feed myself, you know, walk, I couldn't feed myself, you know, walk, I couldn't feed myself, you know, it's it's it's >> it's the long list of things you I mean, >> it's the long list of things you I mean, >> it's the long list of things you I mean, I pretty much couldn't do anything by I pretty much couldn't do anything by I pretty much couldn't do anything by myself. myself. myself. >> What was the lowest point that your >> What was the lowest point that your >> What was the lowest point that your health got to when you woke up? Was it health got to when you woke up? Was it health got to when you woke up? Was it immediate and was it relatively uphill immediate and was it relatively uphill immediate and was it relatively uphill from there? from there? from there? >> Well, um, yeah, I didn't really have >> Well, um, yeah, I didn't really have >> Well, um, yeah, I didn't really have anything hugely negative. I guess right anything hugely negative. I guess right anything hugely negative. I guess right before I woke up, so right after a day before I woke up, so right after a day before I woke up, so right after a day or two, right? Um, so not right before or two, right? Um, so not right before or two, right? Um, so not right before like minute-wise. Um, I guess I spiked like minute-wise. Um, I guess I spiked like minute-wise. Um, I guess I spiked really bad fever and they didn't know really bad fever and they didn't know really bad fever and they didn't know why and that was scary to everyone why and that was scary to everyone why and that was scary to everyone including my wife. Uh, but what as I including my wife. Uh, but what as I including my wife. Uh, but what as I woke up, um, woke up, um, woke up, um, yeah, everything was like I guess it yeah, everything was like I guess it yeah, everything was like I guess it moved in a positive direction, probably moved in a positive direction, probably moved in a positive direction, probably not nearly as fast as I thought. Um, you not nearly as fast as I thought. Um, you not nearly as fast as I thought. Um, you know, a lot of lung transplant patients, know, a lot of lung transplant patients, know, a lot of lung transplant patients, they're on the list for a long time and they're on the list for a long time and they're on the list for a long time and their condition is not necessarily like their condition is not necessarily like their condition is not necessarily like immediately life scared. Like eventually immediately life scared. Like eventually immediately life scared. Like eventually it would kill them, but it might take it would kill them, but it might take it would kill them, but it might take many years. So they're actually in kind many years. So they're actually in kind many years. So they're actually in kind of like a lot better shape than I was of like a lot better shape than I was of like a lot better shape than I was where I was like near near very near where I was like near near very near where I was like near near very near depth. I lost like 60 pounds for example depth. I lost like 60 pounds for example depth. I lost like 60 pounds for example of you know muscle while I was muscle of you know muscle while I was muscle of you know muscle while I was muscle body weight but mostly muscle uh while I body weight but mostly muscle uh while I body weight but mostly muscle uh while I was in the hospital. Um so when I woke was in the hospital. Um so when I woke was in the hospital. Um so when I woke up it did mostly get better. There was a up it did mostly get better. There was a up it did mostly get better. There was a lot of things like I don't know if you lot of things like I don't know if you lot of things like I don't know if you know what chest tubes are but it took me know what chest tubes are but it took me know what chest tubes are but it took me forever to get my chest tubes out. I was forever to get my chest tubes out. I was forever to get my chest tubes out. I was the first lung transplant patient that the first lung transplant patient that the first lung transplant patient that they sent home with a chest tube in they sent home with a chest tube in they sent home with a chest tube in because I was like you got to let me you because I was like you got to let me you because I was like you got to let me you got to let me go. got to let me go. got to let me go. >> And then yeah, unfortunately I got >> And then yeah, unfortunately I got >> And then yeah, unfortunately I got infected. I ended up back in the infected. I ended up back in the infected. I ended up back in the hospital for two weeks. Um I don't think hospital for two weeks. Um I don't think hospital for two weeks. Um I don't think of any fault of my own. I think it just of any fault of my own. I think it just of any fault of my own. I think it just happened and you know then I got stuck happened and you know then I got stuck happened and you know then I got stuck there again for a while. But uh yeah, it there again for a while. But uh yeah, it there again for a while. But uh yeah, it was a process. Took a long time. Um I was a process. Took a long time. Um I was a process. Took a long time. Um I didn't start walking on my own for didn't start walking on my own for didn't start walking on my own for I think it was roughly two months. Um, I think it was roughly two months. Um, I think it was roughly two months. Um, you know, and then even at that point, you know, and then even at that point, you know, and then even at that point, like, you know, walking on my own meant like, you know, walking on my own meant like, you know, walking on my own meant like I go four steps and I'm holding on like I go four steps and I'm holding on like I go four steps and I'm holding on to a counter and then I go, you know, to a counter and then I go, you know, to a counter and then I go, you know, three more step, you know, like it's not three more step, you know, like it's not three more step, you know, like it's not really I'm not like getting around. really I'm not like getting around. really I'm not like getting around. >> Um, yeah. And then it was just a >> Um, yeah. And then it was just a >> Um, yeah. And then it was just a process. And it was like process. And it was like process. And it was like >> once I became more capable, it's like, >> once I became more capable, it's like, >> once I became more capable, it's like, okay, hey, today I want to try to walk okay, hey, today I want to try to walk okay, hey, today I want to try to walk for eight minutes. Walking for eight for eight minutes. Walking for eight for eight minutes. Walking for eight minutes is my goal. And then minutes is my goal. And then minutes is my goal. And then >> once I got the hang of that, then it's >> once I got the hang of that, then it's >> once I got the hang of that, then it's 10 minutes, then it's 12 minutes. And 10 minutes, then it's 12 minutes. And 10 minutes, then it's 12 minutes. And then I, you know, kind of just keep then I, you know, kind of just keep then I, you know, kind of just keep building up. And then it's okay. Now I'm building up. And then it's okay. Now I'm building up. And then it's okay. Now I'm going to try to do some squats which going to try to do some squats which going to try to do some squats which was, you know, in the beginning I was, you know, in the beginning I was, you know, in the beginning I couldn't get myself off the toilet. I couldn't get myself off the toilet. I couldn't get myself off the toilet. I had to have literally have someone help had to have literally have someone help had to have literally have someone help me get up. Um, yeah. So that was the me get up. Um, yeah. So that was the me get up. Um, yeah. So that was the process and uh it's still a process process and uh it's still a process process and uh it's still a process where I'm and I'm actually getting where I'm and I'm actually getting where I'm and I'm actually getting better at I feel like still at quite a better at I feel like still at quite a better at I feel like still at quite a rapid rate and I'm 11 over 11 months rapid rate and I'm 11 over 11 months rapid rate and I'm 11 over 11 months out. out. out. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> Yeah. Most people don't realize how much >> Yeah. Most people don't realize how much >> Yeah. Most people don't realize how much being dehydrated impacts their being dehydrated impacts their being dehydrated impacts their performance. Which is why for the last 5 performance. Which is why for the last 5 performance. Which is why for the last 5 years, I've started pretty much every years, I've started pretty much every years, I've started pretty much every morning with Element. 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What was your main emotion like when you What was your main emotion like when you came back around once you were a little came back around once you were a little came back around once you were a little bit less delirious? bit less delirious? bit less delirious? >> Yeah, probably Labbergal. I mean, I >> Yeah, probably Labbergal. I mean, I >> Yeah, probably Labbergal. I mean, I still think about sometimes still I wake still think about sometimes still I wake still think about sometimes still I wake up and think, well, like how did that up and think, well, like how did that up and think, well, like how did that happen? Like I have a lung transplant. happen? Like I have a lung transplant. happen? Like I have a lung transplant. Like I never smoked anything in my life. Like I never smoked anything in my life. Like I never smoked anything in my life. Like how does someone like me end up Like how does someone like me end up Like how does someone like me end up with a lung transplant? So I think like with a lung transplant? So I think like with a lung transplant? So I think like uh that would probably be the main uh that would probably be the main uh that would probably be the main emotion of like how did this happen? emotion of like how did this happen? emotion of like how did this happen? This is nuts. Um, and then probably the This is nuts. Um, and then probably the This is nuts. Um, and then probably the second one after that would be like, second one after that would be like, second one after that would be like, okay, what do I got to do? Because okay, what do I got to do? Because okay, what do I got to do? Because again, this is my new reality. I can't again, this is my new reality. I can't again, this is my new reality. I can't change it. So, I might as well make the change it. So, I might as well make the change it. So, I might as well make the best of it. So, what is it that I need best of it. So, what is it that I need best of it. So, what is it that I need to do? And I've probably spent, you to do? And I've probably spent, you to do? And I've probably spent, you know, I can't tell you how many hours know, I can't tell you how many hours know, I can't tell you how many hours since I spent 11 months researching, since I spent 11 months researching, since I spent 11 months researching, what do I do about this problem? What do what do I do about this problem? What do what do I do about this problem? What do I do about that problem? And just kind I do about that problem? And just kind I do about that problem? And just kind of like of like of like >> heavy heavy chat GPT user >> heavy heavy chat GPT user >> heavy heavy chat GPT user >> for real chat GPT. If you can ask my >> for real chat GPT. If you can ask my >> for real chat GPT. If you can ask my question, uh, you get a lot of question, uh, you get a lot of question, uh, you get a lot of information and then I usually use the information and then I usually use the information and then I usually use the information. I bounce off my doctor and information. I bounce off my doctor and information. I bounce off my doctor and I say, "Hey, here's what I'm gathering. I say, "Hey, here's what I'm gathering. I say, "Hey, here's what I'm gathering. What do you think about this?" And Chad What do you think about this?" And Chad What do you think about this?" And Chad GPT is right. I don't know, we'll GPT is right. I don't know, we'll GPT is right. I don't know, we'll probably say probably say probably say 70 80% of the time. Like it's it's 70 80% of the time. Like it's it's 70 80% of the time. Like it's it's pretty good. You know, there's a few pretty good. You know, there's a few pretty good. You know, there's a few things where it kind of really gets it things where it kind of really gets it things where it kind of really gets it wrong. Um, so I always obviously cross wrong. Um, so I always obviously cross wrong. Um, so I always obviously cross cross reference first. cross reference first. cross reference first. >> Okay. So I you know, the flabbergasted >> Okay. So I you know, the flabbergasted >> Okay. So I you know, the flabbergasted thing is so funny. I've got this I've thing is so funny. I've got this I've thing is so funny. I've got this I've always had this thought in my mind like always had this thought in my mind like always had this thought in my mind like I've come off a a moped in Bali. I've I've come off a a moped in Bali. I've I've come off a a moped in Bali. I've been in a couple of like pretty big car been in a couple of like pretty big car been in a couple of like pretty big car accidents. like a few things that are accidents. like a few things that are accidents. like a few things that are sort of shock sort of shock sort of shock >> kinetic instant or whatever. >> kinetic instant or whatever. >> kinetic instant or whatever. >> And you're right, one of the main >> And you're right, one of the main >> And you're right, one of the main emotions is surprise. Like this isn't emotions is surprise. Like this isn't emotions is surprise. Like this isn't this can't be this can't be happening. this can't be this can't be happening. this can't be this can't be happening. And I was thinking to myself, I wonder And I was thinking to myself, I wonder And I was thinking to myself, I wonder >> how many people have died, you know, >> how many people have died, you know, >> how many people have died, you know, from from something horrendous or from from something horrendous or from from something horrendous or accidental. Someone got shot, you know, accidental. Someone got shot, you know, accidental. Someone got shot, you know, crossfire. Somebody got shot and they crossfire. Somebody got shot and they crossfire. Somebody got shot and they just feel the thing go through them and just feel the thing go through them and just feel the thing go through them and they look down and they're like, they look down and they're like, they look down and they're like, >> "Have I been >> "Have I been >> "Have I been Oh, surely I haven't been f and that's Oh, surely I haven't been f and that's Oh, surely I haven't been f and that's it. And your last thought isn't it. And your last thought isn't it. And your last thought isn't >> Yeah. You know the the movie lying on >> Yeah. You know the the movie lying on >> Yeah. You know the the movie lying on the ground looking up telling your last the ground looking up telling your last the ground looking up telling your last rights explaining your insights from rights explaining your insights from rights explaining your insights from it's just did I get [ __ ] shot? it's just did I get [ __ ] shot? it's just did I get [ __ ] shot? >> Holy [ __ ] I And then it's done. And >> Holy [ __ ] I And then it's done. And >> Holy [ __ ] I And then it's done. And it's the same with you. The the main it's the same with you. The the main it's the same with you. The the main insight the main was it come back around insight the main was it come back around insight the main was it come back around and were you fearing for do you see the and were you fearing for do you see the and were you fearing for do you see the the beauty of existence? I I was largely the beauty of existence? I I was largely the beauty of existence? I I was largely uh [ __ ] surprised, dude. That was my uh [ __ ] surprised, dude. That was my uh [ __ ] surprised, dude. That was my main main main >> my main sensation. >> my main sensation. >> my main sensation. >> I I would say that, you know, how did >> I I would say that, you know, how did >> I I would say that, you know, how did like why am I here? How did this happen? like why am I here? How did this happen? like why am I here? How did this happen? And surprisingly it And surprisingly it And surprisingly it >> and uh that was kind of like me piecing >> and uh that was kind of like me piecing >> and uh that was kind of like me piecing it together for the first, you know, it together for the first, you know, it together for the first, you know, handful of days. And then the other one handful of days. And then the other one handful of days. And then the other one was what happened while I was asleep, was what happened while I was asleep, was what happened while I was asleep, right? Like I've been asleep for 37 right? Like I've been asleep for 37 right? Like I've been asleep for 37 days. days. days. >> What's the What's the Bitcoin price at >> What's the What's the Bitcoin price at >> What's the What's the Bitcoin price at please? What's the Bitcoin price? It it please? What's the Bitcoin price? It it please? What's the Bitcoin price? It it was it was good at that point in time. I was it was good at that point in time. I was it was good at that point in time. I actually missed a whole bunch of really actually missed a whole bunch of really actually missed a whole bunch of really really important wrestling events in uh really important wrestling events in uh really important wrestling events in uh late May and early June. Uh you know, so late May and early June. Uh you know, so late May and early June. Uh you know, so there was you know catching up on all there was you know catching up on all there was you know catching up on all that because I was not awake for a that because I was not awake for a that because I was not awake for a single day of June. Um and then you know single day of June. Um and then you know single day of June. Um and then you know going through the kind of order of going through the kind of order of going through the kind of order of events of what happened to me and and events of what happened to me and and events of what happened to me and and there was there was a bunch of really there was there was a bunch of really there was there was a bunch of really amazing things like um there's so many amazing things like um there's so many amazing things like um there's so many people supported um either through people supported um either through people supported um either through prayer or helping my family in some way prayer or helping my family in some way prayer or helping my family in some way shape or form or meals because you know shape or form or meals because you know shape or form or meals because you know my wife is then obviously there's not a my wife is then obviously there's not a my wife is then obviously there's not a father in the household because I'm in father in the household because I'm in father in the household because I'm in the hospital. Uh my wife is spending a the hospital. Uh my wife is spending a the hospital. Uh my wife is spending a large portion of her time at the large portion of her time at the large portion of her time at the hospital with me. hospital with me. hospital with me. >> Um so you know my kids are all on summer >> Um so you know my kids are all on summer >> Um so you know my kids are all on summer break. is not even like they go to break. is not even like they go to break. is not even like they go to school. So, you know, who who's going to school. So, you know, who who's going to school. So, you know, who who's going to take care of them, who can help out with take care of them, who can help out with take care of them, who can help out with them. So, usually my wife and my mom and them. So, usually my wife and my mom and them. So, usually my wife and my mom and my dad would kind of like uh alternate my dad would kind of like uh alternate my dad would kind of like uh alternate who's at the hospital, but then we had a who's at the hospital, but then we had a who's at the hospital, but then we had a whole bunch of friends and family whole bunch of friends and family whole bunch of friends and family helping out with our kids and stuff. And helping out with our kids and stuff. And helping out with our kids and stuff. And uh we tried to keep it as normal as uh we tried to keep it as normal as uh we tried to keep it as normal as possible for them. You know, you don't possible for them. You know, you don't possible for them. You know, you don't want them at home thinking every day, want them at home thinking every day, want them at home thinking every day, hey, my dad might die. Like, hey, my dad might die. Like, hey, my dad might die. Like, >> you don't want that. So, we you know, we >> you don't want that. So, we you know, we >> you don't want that. So, we you know, we tried to tell them, hey, well, not I tried to tell them, hey, well, not I tried to tell them, hey, well, not I didn't do [ __ ] my wife, I tell him, didn't do [ __ ] my wife, I tell him, didn't do [ __ ] my wife, I tell him, "Hey, he's sick and he's at the "Hey, he's sick and he's at the "Hey, he's sick and he's at the hospital." And, you know, kind of leave hospital." And, you know, kind of leave hospital." And, you know, kind of leave it a little bit vague and open-ended it a little bit vague and open-ended it a little bit vague and open-ended like that. like that. like that. >> So, >> So, >> So, I guess, you know, you look across at I guess, you know, you look across at I guess, you know, you look across at somebody that's had a career as an somebody that's had a career as an somebody that's had a career as an athlete that that's over overcome lots athlete that that's over overcome lots athlete that that's over overcome lots of challenges and difficulty and of challenges and difficulty and of challenges and difficulty and training sessions from being a kid to training sessions from being a kid to training sessions from being a kid to being a teenager to a young athlete to a being a teenager to a young athlete to a being a teenager to a young athlete to a veteran athlete in all these different veteran athlete in all these different veteran athlete in all these different sports and wrestling and MMA and Da sports and wrestling and MMA and Da sports and wrestling and MMA and Da boxing. boxing. boxing. How much of that were you able to draw How much of that were you able to draw How much of that were you able to draw on when it came to on when it came to on when it came to recovery and resilience? recovery and resilience? recovery and resilience? >> All of it. 100%. I mean, um, you know, >> All of it. 100%. I mean, um, you know, >> All of it. 100%. I mean, um, you know, because the the main thing is I mean, because the the main thing is I mean, because the the main thing is I mean, it's been I said it's been 11 months. I it's been I said it's been 11 months. I it's been I said it's been 11 months. I probably felt really good for for a probably felt really good for for a probably felt really good for for a handful of those days, you know, like handful of those days, you know, like handful of those days, you know, like you know, even today uh I'll just say you know, even today uh I'll just say you know, even today uh I'll just say today I'm 11 months out. I'm having a today I'm 11 months out. I'm having a today I'm 11 months out. I'm having a pretty good day. But, you know, for a pretty good day. But, you know, for a pretty good day. But, you know, for a while before the show actually, um, you while before the show actually, um, you while before the show actually, um, you know, it was like my breathing just know, it was like my breathing just know, it was like my breathing just wasn't as good sometimes. I don't know wasn't as good sometimes. I don't know wasn't as good sometimes. I don't know if it's the allergies or I don't know if it's the allergies or I don't know if it's the allergies or I don't know what the issue. It just feels weird what the issue. It just feels weird what the issue. It just feels weird sometimes, you know. Um, and then sometimes, you know. Um, and then sometimes, you know. Um, and then obviously earlier on it was it was a lot obviously earlier on it was it was a lot obviously earlier on it was it was a lot more things than that. It wasn't wasn't more things than that. It wasn't wasn't more things than that. It wasn't wasn't only that. So, the amount of days I felt only that. So, the amount of days I felt only that. So, the amount of days I felt really good since then has been very really good since then has been very really good since then has been very limited. And so, it's, you know, even on limited. And so, it's, you know, even on limited. And so, it's, you know, even on the days where you don't feel good, are the days where you don't feel good, are the days where you don't feel good, are you going to get up and do something? you going to get up and do something? you going to get up and do something? because you just sit on the couch, because you just sit on the couch, because you just sit on the couch, you're you're not going to get better. you're you're not going to get better. you're you're not going to get better. And so even on the days you don't feel And so even on the days you don't feel And so even on the days you don't feel good, maybe you're not going to do as good, maybe you're not going to do as good, maybe you're not going to do as much as you had planned, but you're much as you had planned, but you're much as you had planned, but you're still going to do something. And that's still going to do something. And that's still going to do something. And that's kind of, you know, where where I was at kind of, you know, where where I was at kind of, you know, where where I was at for a long time. And, you know, now it's for a long time. And, you know, now it's for a long time. And, you know, now it's like, I feel mostly pretty good there. like, I feel mostly pretty good there. like, I feel mostly pretty good there. You know, there'll be a little something You know, there'll be a little something You know, there'll be a little something here and there pretty much every single here and there pretty much every single here and there pretty much every single day. But it's like, okay, well, if I day. But it's like, okay, well, if I day. But it's like, okay, well, if I don't feel good at 10:00 a.m., I'm going don't feel good at 10:00 a.m., I'm going don't feel good at 10:00 a.m., I'm going to go get my workout at 2 pm or, you to go get my workout at 2 pm or, you to go get my workout at 2 pm or, you know, like I'm but I am going to work know, like I'm but I am going to work know, like I'm but I am going to work out. and I'm going to train and I'm out. and I'm going to train and I'm out. and I'm going to train and I'm going to do my breathing exercises and going to do my breathing exercises and going to do my breathing exercises and I'm, you know, there's handful of other I'm, you know, there's handful of other I'm, you know, there's handful of other medical things that I have to do. I'm medical things that I have to do. I'm medical things that I have to do. I'm going to do them every day. I'm not going to do them every day. I'm not going to do them every day. I'm not going to miss it. Um, so I've been very going to miss it. Um, so I've been very going to miss it. Um, so I've been very disciplined and regimented in that. And disciplined and regimented in that. And disciplined and regimented in that. And obviously that came from my my life as obviously that came from my my life as obviously that came from my my life as an athlete, uh, being very disciplined, an athlete, uh, being very disciplined, an athlete, uh, being very disciplined, very regimented in that. Uh, it just very regimented in that. Uh, it just very regimented in that. Uh, it just crossed over kind of exactly. crossed over kind of exactly. crossed over kind of exactly. >> What did your weight get down to? What >> What did your weight get down to? What >> What did your weight get down to? What was the smallest the lowest weight? was the smallest the lowest weight? was the smallest the lowest weight? >> The lowest was 138. So it's like skin >> The lowest was 138. So it's like skin >> The lowest was 138. So it's like skin and bones. and bones. and bones. >> And what did you fight at? I fought at >> And what did you fight at? I fought at >> And what did you fight at? I fought at 170, but I was uh I got I'll be I got on 170, but I was uh I got I'll be I got on 170, but I was uh I got I'll be I got on some TRT, so I got a little bit bigger. some TRT, so I got a little bit bigger. some TRT, so I got a little bit bigger. My normal walking weight was probably uh My normal walking weight was probably uh My normal walking weight was probably uh you know when I was fighting 185ish plus you know when I was fighting 185ish plus you know when I was fighting 185ish plus or minus a few pounds and then as I or minus a few pounds and then as I or minus a few pounds and then as I retired I was probably you know 195ish retired I was probably you know 195ish retired I was probably you know 195ish somewhere somewhere in there. So somewhere somewhere in there. So somewhere somewhere in there. So >> best part 50% best part of 50%. >> best part 50% best part of 50%. >> best part 50% best part of 50%. >> Yeah. Yeah. So uh yes quite quite quite >> Yeah. Yeah. So uh yes quite quite quite >> Yeah. Yeah. So uh yes quite quite quite the draw down in weight. Um, and it was the draw down in weight. Um, and it was the draw down in weight. Um, and it was just like I said, I mean, I don't I just like I said, I mean, I don't I just like I said, I mean, I don't I don't have my wife has pictures. Skin don't have my wife has pictures. Skin don't have my wife has pictures. Skin skin and bones really is kind of what I skin and bones really is kind of what I skin and bones really is kind of what I was. was. was. >> Is that because you're not moving and >> Is that because you're not moving and >> Is that because you're not moving and not consuming any calories other than not consuming any calories other than not consuming any calories other than what they need to keep you alive? Is what they need to keep you alive? Is what they need to keep you alive? Is that why? that why? that why? >> Um, I I think they're not move, you >> Um, I I think they're not move, you >> Um, I I think they're not move, you know, never looked all the way to this. know, never looked all the way to this. know, never looked all the way to this. I got some good guesses. Number one, I got some good guesses. Number one, I got some good guesses. Number one, you're not moving. I mean, I told you you're not moving. I mean, I told you you're not moving. I mean, I told you like they literally paralyzed me. But like they literally paralyzed me. But like they literally paralyzed me. But there was other times when um I would there was other times when um I would there was other times when um I would wake up and I would just like I don't wake up and I would just like I don't wake up and I would just like I don't recall this but I would not be happy recall this but I would not be happy recall this but I would not be happy about that fact about that fact about that fact all my arms you know I try to like move all my arms you know I try to like move all my arms you know I try to like move and then that would uh spike my heart and then that would uh spike my heart and then that would uh spike my heart rate and then that would cause my rate and then that would cause my rate and then that would cause my breathing capacity my uh what is it breathing capacity my uh what is it breathing capacity my uh what is it called oxygenation or whatever that to called oxygenation or whatever that to called oxygenation or whatever that to drop right and that was really drop right and that was really drop right and that was really problematic I guess for a while they problematic I guess for a while they problematic I guess for a while they even have me me strapped down so I even have me me strapped down so I even have me me strapped down so I couldn't really move at all um yeah so couldn't really move at all um yeah so couldn't really move at all um yeah so that was kind of the that was kind of that was kind of the that was kind of that was kind of the that was kind of the the deal with that. So uh and then I the the deal with that. So uh and then I the the deal with that. So uh and then I do believe predinazone which I'm still do believe predinazone which I'm still do believe predinazone which I'm still on and why I don't be on for the rest of on and why I don't be on for the rest of on and why I don't be on for the rest of my life probably unfortunately. Um I my life probably unfortunately. Um I my life probably unfortunately. Um I believe that has some uh some capacity believe that has some uh some capacity believe that has some uh some capacity of where it eats your muscles a little of where it eats your muscles a little of where it eats your muscles a little bit. bit. bit. >> What's that do? That's a >> What's that do? That's a >> What's that do? That's a >> penisone. >> penisone. >> penisone. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's some I don't know exactly which >> It's some I don't know exactly which >> It's some I don't know exactly which part of the imunosuppression it is but part of the imunosuppression it is but part of the imunosuppression it is but it's an amosuppressant. So with the with it's an amosuppressant. So with the with it's an amosuppressant. So with the with a transplant patient um your body will a transplant patient um your body will a transplant patient um your body will see the uh transplanted organ as a see the uh transplanted organ as a see the uh transplanted organ as a foreign body and it will attack it. So foreign body and it will attack it. So foreign body and it will attack it. So they need to essentially tamp down your they need to essentially tamp down your they need to essentially tamp down your immune system kind of permanently immune system kind of permanently immune system kind of permanently >> which is why flight for you and being in >> which is why flight for you and being in >> which is why flight for you and being in different places is more dangerous different places is more dangerous different places is more dangerous because you don't have an immune if you because you don't have an immune if you because you don't have an immune if you had an immune system that could protect had an immune system that could protect had an immune system that could protect you from getting sick it would also be you from getting sick it would also be you from getting sick it would also be the same immune system that would attack the same immune system that would attack the same immune system that would attack your new lungs. your new lungs. your new lungs. >> Yep. 100%. So I I you know I try to stay >> Yep. 100%. So I I you know I try to stay >> Yep. 100%. So I I you know I try to stay out of areas where there's a lot of out of areas where there's a lot of out of areas where there's a lot of people where I don't like have I don't people where I don't like have I don't people where I don't like have I don't think so control of the area of what's think so control of the area of what's think so control of the area of what's my surroundings are. my surroundings are. my surroundings are. >> Unfortunately I wear a mask a lot which >> Unfortunately I wear a mask a lot which >> Unfortunately I wear a mask a lot which is you know that's kind of is you know that's kind of is you know that's kind of >> co again baby >> co again baby >> co again baby >> I made fun of the mask people for sure >> I made fun of the mask people for sure >> I made fun of the mask people for sure and I'm [laughter] a m I'm a mask person and I'm [laughter] a m I'm a mask person and I'm [laughter] a m I'm a mask person that's that's no good. Um that's that's no good. Um that's that's no good. Um >> yeah but it is getting better. I'm I'm >> yeah but it is getting better. I'm I'm >> yeah but it is getting better. I'm I'm coming down like uh the levels of coming down like uh the levels of coming down like uh the levels of imunosuppression you're on. As you get imunosuppression you're on. As you get imunosuppression you're on. As you get further out and you get healthier, they further out and you get healthier, they further out and you get healthier, they they do come down quite a bit. So you they do come down quite a bit. So you they do come down quite a bit. So you you kind of hit a bounce back. So I've you kind of hit a bounce back. So I've you kind of hit a bounce back. So I've gotten, you know, for example, last gotten, you know, for example, last gotten, you know, for example, last couple weeks I've gotten uh lower on my couple weeks I've gotten uh lower on my couple weeks I've gotten uh lower on my you guys you guys you guys and tacrolymus. I mean that's fun and tacrolymus. I mean that's fun and tacrolymus. I mean that's fun talking about medicine, but I come down talking about medicine, but I come down talking about medicine, but I come down on those a little bit. So uh that means on those a little bit. So uh that means on those a little bit. So uh that means you know my energy and my indiscretion you know my energy and my indiscretion you know my energy and my indiscretion go up. And I think uh you know my year go up. And I think uh you know my year go up. And I think uh you know my year anniversary is coming up in about 3 anniversary is coming up in about 3 anniversary is coming up in about 3 weeks and I'll probably I'll hopefully weeks and I'll probably I'll hopefully weeks and I'll probably I'll hopefully get down even a little more potentially. get down even a little more potentially. get down even a little more potentially. >> Unreal. Okay. What um I'm interested in >> Unreal. Okay. What um I'm interested in >> Unreal. Okay. What um I'm interested in what what what matters to you more or less now than it matters to you more or less now than it matters to you more or less now than it did before. did before. did before. >> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. Um >> Yeah. Um you know what I I I said this uh you you know what I I I said this uh you you know what I I I said this uh you know if I would have died uh when I went know if I would have died uh when I went know if I would have died uh when I went to the hospital nurse I walked in the to the hospital nurse I walked in the to the hospital nurse I walked in the hospital I don't remember anything. If I hospital I don't remember anything. If I hospital I don't remember anything. If I would have died there, which I came would have died there, which I came would have died there, which I came pretty close to, um, I had a great life. pretty close to, um, I had a great life. pretty close to, um, I had a great life. Like, I really got to do what I love for Like, I really got to do what I love for Like, I really got to do what I love for uh, for a living and coaching wrestling, uh, for a living and coaching wrestling, uh, for a living and coaching wrestling, running the wrestlingmies. I think it's running the wrestlingmies. I think it's running the wrestlingmies. I think it's very meaningful work and that you're very meaningful work and that you're very meaningful work and that you're helping the next generation of young helping the next generation of young helping the next generation of young person not only get better at wrestling, person not only get better at wrestling, person not only get better at wrestling, but get better at life. Um, I love my but get better at life. Um, I love my but get better at life. Um, I love my wife. I have a great family. So I was wife. I have a great family. So I was wife. I have a great family. So I was really lucky in that I was it didn't really lucky in that I was it didn't really lucky in that I was it didn't take me to die to figure out that oh I take me to die to figure out that oh I take me to die to figure out that oh I have a bunch of misguided priorities have a bunch of misguided priorities have a bunch of misguided priorities like I think my priorities were were like I think my priorities were were like I think my priorities were were pretty good. I was pretty you know pretty good. I was pretty you know pretty good. I was pretty you know reflectively so I can reflect on hey if reflectively so I can reflect on hey if reflectively so I can reflect on hey if I would have died what do I think about I would have died what do I think about I would have died what do I think about what I had done to that point. Um so I what I had done to that point. Um so I what I had done to that point. Um so I felt really good about that. I do think felt really good about that. I do think felt really good about that. I do think I became maybe u more patient um have I became maybe u more patient um have I became maybe u more patient um have more gratitude for sure and that's you more gratitude for sure and that's you more gratitude for sure and that's you know I don't think that was a category know I don't think that was a category know I don't think that was a category maybe I was lacking in prior but I think maybe I was lacking in prior but I think maybe I was lacking in prior but I think maybe more I feel even more strongly. maybe more I feel even more strongly. maybe more I feel even more strongly. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> I became a Christian which uh I would >> I became a Christian which uh I would >> I became a Christian which uh I would say prior I was kind of Christian say prior I was kind of Christian say prior I was kind of Christian adjacent like I went to church for 16 adjacent like I went to church for 16 adjacent like I went to church for 16 years or so but just you know it didn't years or so but just you know it didn't years or so but just you know it didn't kind of click all the way. Um, so that kind of click all the way. Um, so that kind of click all the way. Um, so that would be, you know, a probably a big would be, you know, a probably a big would be, you know, a probably a big change I would say. So kind of those change I would say. So kind of those change I would say. So kind of those things, but I was I was proud of the things, but I was I was proud of the things, but I was I was proud of the life I was living prior to this. And I life I was living prior to this. And I life I was living prior to this. And I think all the positive things have just think all the positive things have just think all the positive things have just been kind of uh ramped up. And I think I been kind of uh ramped up. And I think I been kind of uh ramped up. And I think I guess I think one other one that I would guess I think one other one that I would guess I think one other one that I would mention there is, you know, I I invested mention there is, you know, I I invested mention there is, you know, I I invested in some businesses. Um, and I like all in some businesses. Um, and I like all in some businesses. Um, and I like all the people who are running them, but it the people who are running them, but it the people who are running them, but it if it took my time, even if it was just, if it took my time, even if it was just, if it took my time, even if it was just, hey, I meet I meet with the founder once hey, I meet I meet with the founder once hey, I meet I meet with the founder once a month or whatever. if it took my time a month or whatever. if it took my time a month or whatever. if it took my time and I wasn't really passionate about it. and I wasn't really passionate about it. and I wasn't really passionate about it. I said I asked a few different people I said I asked a few different people I said I asked a few different people like hey can can I get out like like hey can can I get out like like hey can can I get out like >> I'll I'll make a deal whatever you know >> I'll I'll make a deal whatever you know >> I'll I'll make a deal whatever you know whatever you feel is fair give me what's whatever you feel is fair give me what's whatever you feel is fair give me what's fair and I just I just want to take a fair and I just I just want to take a fair and I just I just want to take a few more things off of my plate. Um and few more things off of my plate. Um and few more things off of my plate. Um and I I kind of feel strongly about that. I I kind of feel strongly about that. I I kind of feel strongly about that. You know I get some offers to do things You know I get some offers to do things You know I get some offers to do things now and I'm just like is this what I now and I'm just like is this what I now and I'm just like is this what I really really really 100% want to do really really really 100% want to do really really really 100% want to do with my life? Is this worth the time with my life? Is this worth the time with my life? Is this worth the time away from my kids and my family? And if away from my kids and my family? And if away from my kids and my family? And if the answer is no then I generally choose the answer is no then I generally choose the answer is no then I generally choose not to do it. Have you seen Peiquey not to do it. Have you seen Peiquey not to do it. Have you seen Peiquey Blinders the series? Blinders the series? Blinders the series? >> No, I haven't, but I I know Spongebob >> No, I haven't, but I I know Spongebob >> No, I haven't, but I I know Spongebob wrestlers are really big fans of it, so wrestlers are really big fans of it, so wrestlers are really big fans of it, so I've heard references, but I've never I've heard references, but I've never I've heard references, but I've never watched it. watched it. watched it. >> Really cool BBC series. And uh in it, >> Really cool BBC series. And uh in it, >> Really cool BBC series. And uh in it, the main guy and his brother, they the main guy and his brother, they the main guy and his brother, they nearly die at the Battle of the Som in nearly die at the Battle of the Som in nearly die at the Battle of the Som in World War I, and they're I think they're World War I, and they're I think they're World War I, and they're I think they're called clay kickers. So they dig tunnels called clay kickers. So they dig tunnels called clay kickers. So they dig tunnels to try and get into the enemy uh trench to try and get into the enemy uh trench to try and get into the enemy uh trench from underneath as opposed to going over from underneath as opposed to going over from underneath as opposed to going over the top. And sometimes they the two the top. And sometimes they the two the top. And sometimes they the two tunnels cross over each other and then tunnels cross over each other and then tunnels cross over each other and then they have fights inside of the [ __ ] they have fights inside of the [ __ ] they have fights inside of the [ __ ] tunnels. It's crazy. And um tunnels. It's crazy. And um tunnels. It's crazy. And um >> it is crazy. >> it is crazy. >> it is crazy. >> He uh him and his brother basically >> He uh him and his brother basically >> He uh him and his brother basically nearly died at the Battle of the Psalm nearly died at the Battle of the Psalm nearly died at the Battle of the Psalm and they've got this line where they and they've got this line where they and they've got this line where they they sort of turn to each other and say they sort of turn to each other and say they sort of turn to each other and say everything after that was extra. everything after that was extra. everything after that was extra. Everything after that was extra. And it Everything after that was extra. And it Everything after that was extra. And it kind of sounds like that's how you see kind of sounds like that's how you see kind of sounds like that's how you see this period now. That I was I was this period now. That I was I was this period now. That I was I was >> happy. I mean I didn't want to die. It >> happy. I mean I didn't want to die. It >> happy. I mean I didn't want to die. It would have been optimal for me to have would have been optimal for me to have would have been optimal for me to have not died and I'm glad that I didn't. But not died and I'm glad that I didn't. But not died and I'm glad that I didn't. But had I have done, I'd lived a pretty good had I have done, I'd lived a pretty good had I have done, I'd lived a pretty good life up until then. But even though I'd life up until then. But even though I'd life up until then. But even though I'd lived a pretty good life, there's still lived a pretty good life, there's still lived a pretty good life, there's still some adjustments that I want to make in some adjustments that I want to make in some adjustments that I want to make in order to learn the lessons about order to learn the lessons about order to learn the lessons about prioritizing my time and what I was prioritizing my time and what I was prioritizing my time and what I was going to miss most now that I've got now going to miss most now that I've got now going to miss most now that I've got now that this is extra. that this is extra. that this is extra. >> Yeah. No. Uh yeah, that's that's pretty >> Yeah. No. Uh yeah, that's that's pretty >> Yeah. No. Uh yeah, that's that's pretty accurate with uh with how I feel and how accurate with uh with how I feel and how accurate with uh with how I feel and how I view it. And I want to make the most I view it. And I want to make the most I view it. And I want to make the most of the extra. you know what the of the extra. you know what the of the extra. you know what the statistics on lung transplants now I statistics on lung transplants now I statistics on lung transplants now I don't necessarily know that they apply don't necessarily know that they apply don't necessarily know that they apply to me for a variety of reasons which we to me for a variety of reasons which we to me for a variety of reasons which we can go go through if you'd like to it's can go go through if you'd like to it's can go go through if you'd like to it's kind of boring but uh the medium life kind of boring but uh the medium life kind of boring but uh the medium life expectancy is only six and a half years expectancy is only six and a half years expectancy is only six and a half years uh which isn't long um I don't think uh which isn't long um I don't think uh which isn't long um I don't think that's going to apply to me fully that's going to apply to me fully that's going to apply to me fully because a lot of them are older because a lot of them are older because a lot of them are older unhealthy unhealthy unhealthy >> you mean an ex-professional athlete who >> you mean an ex-professional athlete who >> you mean an ex-professional athlete who didn't get it because he was smoking and didn't get it because he was smoking and didn't get it because he was smoking and was like in the midst of some of the was like in the midst of some of the was like in the midst of some of the best [ __ ] health of his life best [ __ ] health of his life best [ __ ] health of his life >> yes so so you get it so uh Actually, the >> yes so so you get it so uh Actually, the >> yes so so you get it so uh Actually, the longest living person post double lung longest living person post double lung longest living person post double lung transplant is 38 years. So, that's kind transplant is 38 years. So, that's kind transplant is 38 years. So, that's kind of my goal. Uh, it's 39, at least 39. of my goal. Uh, it's 39, at least 39. of my goal. Uh, it's 39, at least 39. Um, but yeah, everything now is extra Um, but yeah, everything now is extra Um, but yeah, everything now is extra and it's kind of reformatted me. So, the and it's kind of reformatted me. So, the and it's kind of reformatted me. So, the number one thing I I love to do is my number one thing I I love to do is my number one thing I I love to do is my brother and I have wrestlingmies. Um, we brother and I have wrestlingmies. Um, we brother and I have wrestlingmies. Um, we have nine of them now in the state of have nine of them now in the state of have nine of them now in the state of Wisconsin, but the very favorite part of Wisconsin, but the very favorite part of Wisconsin, but the very favorite part of that is actually coaching the athletes. that is actually coaching the athletes. that is actually coaching the athletes. Um, and so, you know, that's the thing I Um, and so, you know, that's the thing I Um, and so, you know, that's the thing I want to spend the most time on, uh, from want to spend the most time on, uh, from want to spend the most time on, uh, from a work perspective. Um, and then a work perspective. Um, and then a work perspective. Um, and then obviously, you know, with my my family obviously, you know, with my my family obviously, you know, with my my family and doing that type of thing. And it's and doing that type of thing. And it's and doing that type of thing. And it's one of those that was weird because, one of those that was weird because, one of those that was weird because, you know, I never really thought twice you know, I never really thought twice you know, I never really thought twice about, but, you know, part of the about, but, you know, part of the about, but, you know, part of the wrestling academy thing is you you wrestling academy thing is you you wrestling academy thing is you you travel on a lot of weekends sometimes to travel on a lot of weekends sometimes to travel on a lot of weekends sometimes to go coach kids. And I I honestly it's go coach kids. And I I honestly it's go coach kids. And I I honestly it's this weird thing because I love it and I this weird thing because I love it and I this weird thing because I love it and I miss it a lot. And um but then it's like miss it a lot. And um but then it's like miss it a lot. And um but then it's like well I realized how much I was kind of well I realized how much I was kind of well I realized how much I was kind of missing at home or when my wife had to missing at home or when my wife had to missing at home or when my wife had to be you know especially a single mother I be you know especially a single mother I be you know especially a single mother I go to a big tournament. Now it's not go to a big tournament. Now it's not go to a big tournament. Now it's not saying I'm never going to do that again. saying I'm never going to do that again. saying I'm never going to do that again. I am going to do it. I'll probably just I am going to do it. I'll probably just I am going to do it. I'll probably just do it a little bit less than I had do it a little bit less than I had do it a little bit less than I had previously. Um so to make sure I'm previously. Um so to make sure I'm previously. Um so to make sure I'm around for more of my kids stuff and around for more of my kids stuff and around for more of my kids stuff and then obviously now my daughter's 13 and then obviously now my daughter's 13 and then obviously now my daughter's 13 and she really likes wrestling. So there's she really likes wrestling. So there's she really likes wrestling. So there's going to be a probably a good going to be a probably a good going to be a probably a good opportunity for me to spend a bunch of opportunity for me to spend a bunch of opportunity for me to spend a bunch of time with her. Too bad. Um, but yeah, so time with her. Too bad. Um, but yeah, so time with her. Too bad. Um, but yeah, so definitely not going to waste my time on definitely not going to waste my time on definitely not going to waste my time on things that that I don't love and that things that that I don't love and that things that that I don't love and that I'm not really passionate about. 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Um, and the reason I was wrestling was they told me, so I I I was wrestling was they told me, so I I I was wrestling was they told me, so I I actually work for RAF and it's going actually work for RAF and it's going actually work for RAF and it's going tremendously well. And one of my life tremendously well. And one of my life tremendously well. And one of my life goals, and this is something where it's goals, and this is something where it's goals, and this is something where it's like, I'm not going to work for RAF like, I'm not going to work for RAF like, I'm not going to work for RAF forever. Um, because it's not the one forever. Um, because it's not the one forever. Um, because it's not the one thing I want to do, but one of my life thing I want to do, but one of my life thing I want to do, but one of my life goals was to start a legitimate goals was to start a legitimate goals was to start a legitimate professional wrestling organization in professional wrestling organization in professional wrestling organization in America that could run on its own and America that could run on its own and America that could run on its own and give athletes the opportunity to compete give athletes the opportunity to compete give athletes the opportunity to compete at professionals. RAF is doing freaking at professionals. RAF is doing freaking at professionals. RAF is doing freaking amazing job. I mean, they're they're amazing job. I mean, they're they're amazing job. I mean, they're they're doing better. I should say we are doing doing better. I should say we are doing doing better. I should say we are doing better than I ever could imagine this better than I ever could imagine this better than I ever could imagine this quickly. It's fascinating. Um, but when quickly. It's fascinating. Um, but when quickly. It's fascinating. Um, but when they told me they're coming to my they told me they're coming to my they told me they're coming to my hometown on my birthday, something, hometown on my birthday, something, hometown on my birthday, something, [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] right? It's like, okay, I I got to get right? It's like, okay, I I got to get right? It's like, okay, I I got to get out there and I gota I got to make it out there and I gota I got to make it out there and I gota I got to make it happen. Um, and so that's kind of been a happen. Um, and so that's kind of been a happen. Um, and so that's kind of been a really big driver for me is just and a really big driver for me is just and a really big driver for me is just and a big part of it is me helping other big part of it is me helping other big part of it is me helping other people. And I I listen I get messages people. And I I listen I get messages people. And I I listen I get messages pretty much every single day on pretty much every single day on pretty much every single day on Instagram at this point of hey your Instagram at this point of hey your Instagram at this point of hey your journey has inspired me. Um and I think journey has inspired me. Um and I think journey has inspired me. Um and I think I was giving I was giving I was giving Sorry I'm giving a very long-winded Sorry I'm giving a very long-winded Sorry I'm giving a very long-winded answer but I think that's okay on this answer but I think that's okay on this answer but I think that's okay on this podcast. [laughter] podcast. [laughter] podcast. [laughter] So your journey inspired me. I've been So your journey inspired me. I've been So your journey inspired me. I've been saying the same things for 15 years. But saying the same things for 15 years. But saying the same things for 15 years. But I think you know when I'm on tops right I think you know when I'm on tops right I think you know when I'm on tops right so I'm winning MMA titles and I'm we got so I'm winning MMA titles and I'm we got so I'm winning MMA titles and I'm we got the best wrestling academy in America. I the best wrestling academy in America. I the best wrestling academy in America. I think people it resonates to a one way think people it resonates to a one way think people it resonates to a one way and then they see you dying and on your and then they see you dying and on your and then they see you dying and on your deathbed and trying to climb out of this deathbed and trying to climb out of this deathbed and trying to climb out of this hole and you're saying the exact same hole and you're saying the exact same hole and you're saying the exact same things. I think it resonates and things. I think it resonates and things. I think it resonates and motivates in a different type of way. motivates in a different type of way. motivates in a different type of way. Not this guy doesn't just talk about it. Not this guy doesn't just talk about it. Not this guy doesn't just talk about it. This guy is about it, right? He he This guy is about it, right? He he This guy is about it, right? He he understands what what adversity is. He understands what what adversity is. He understands what what adversity is. He understands what hardship is. And when understands what hardship is. And when understands what hardship is. And when he had met adversity and hardship, he he had met adversity and hardship, he he had met adversity and hardship, he reacted the exact same way that he said reacted the exact same way that he said reacted the exact same way that he said he would. So I'm not just talking about he would. So I'm not just talking about he would. So I'm not just talking about it. I am about it. Um, so me being able it. I am about it. Um, so me being able it. I am about it. Um, so me being able to climb my way out of this hole and to climb my way out of this hole and to climb my way out of this hole and live a I will say relatively normal live a I will say relatively normal live a I will say relatively normal life, you know, this never it's never life, you know, this never it's never life, you know, this never it's never going to be all the way back to normal, going to be all the way back to normal, going to be all the way back to normal, but as close to normal as possible. Um, but as close to normal as possible. Um, but as close to normal as possible. Um, I think that's very inspiring for people I think that's very inspiring for people I think that's very inspiring for people and uh and uh and uh >> the So then my thought on that was uh I >> the So then my thought on that was uh I >> the So then my thought on that was uh I don't know how you feel about this guy. don't know how you feel about this guy. don't know how you feel about this guy. He's very controversial, but RFK um He's very controversial, but RFK um He's very controversial, but RFK um thumbs up or thumbs down for him. thumbs up or thumbs down for him. thumbs up or thumbs down for him. >> Um I I've been to dinner with him. He >> Um I I've been to dinner with him. He >> Um I I've been to dinner with him. He was a nice guy. like he's got some he's was a nice guy. like he's got some he's was a nice guy. like he's got some he's got some wacky beliefs, but he's also got some wacky beliefs, but he's also got some wacky beliefs, but he's also managed to get the food pyramid to be managed to get the food pyramid to be managed to get the food pyramid to be the right way around for the first time the right way around for the first time the right way around for the first time in [ __ ] American history. You know, in [ __ ] American history. You know, in [ __ ] American history. You know, it's it's same as everybody. it's it's same as everybody. it's it's same as everybody. >> So, I would think well, one of the >> So, I would think well, one of the >> So, I would think well, one of the things I think about him is this guy has things I think about him is this guy has things I think about him is this guy has an immense amount of courage and an immense amount of courage and an immense amount of courage and fearlessness. And I say this to people, fearlessness. And I say this to people, fearlessness. And I say this to people, I say, I say, I say, >> think about if you grew up and you >> think about if you grew up and you >> think about if you grew up and you watched your father be murdered and you watched your father be murdered and you watched your father be murdered and you watched your uncle be murdered and you watched your uncle be murdered and you watched your uncle be murdered and you still had the courage to put yourself in still had the courage to put yourself in still had the courage to put yourself in the line of fire, right? right? Because the line of fire, right? right? Because the line of fire, right? right? Because there's a lot of people who don't like there's a lot of people who don't like there's a lot of people who don't like him right now and you you watch that him right now and you you watch that him right now and you you watch that happen to your father and your your happen to your father and your your happen to your father and your your uncle and you still are willing to have uncle and you still are willing to have uncle and you still are willing to have the courage to do that. That that's the courage to do that. That that's the courage to do that. That that's amazing. I don't I don't care what you amazing. I don't I don't care what you amazing. I don't I don't care what you think about the rest of what he says. think about the rest of what he says. think about the rest of what he says. That is that's very powerful. And he That is that's very powerful. And he That is that's very powerful. And he always references the sysphus, right, always references the sysphus, right, always references the sysphus, right, where the guy rolls the ball uphill only where the guy rolls the ball uphill only where the guy rolls the ball uphill only for it to roll down every single day and for it to roll down every single day and for it to roll down every single day and then he starts over. And then you know then he starts over. And then you know then he starts over. And then you know the kind of message of it to me is that the kind of message of it to me is that the kind of message of it to me is that there's something very powerful in just there's something very powerful in just there's something very powerful in just showing up and having a great attitude showing up and having a great attitude showing up and having a great attitude and working hard every single day even and working hard every single day even and working hard every single day even if you're maybe not going to get the if you're maybe not going to get the if you're maybe not going to get the fruits of your labors at the end of it fruits of your labors at the end of it fruits of your labors at the end of it because every day the the boulder rolls because every day the the boulder rolls because every day the the boulder rolls back down and he shows up and he works back down and he shows up and he works back down and he shows up and he works again every single day. And for most again every single day. And for most again every single day. And for most people people people um they're not going to end up without um they're not going to end up without um they're not going to end up without any fruits of their labor, right? Uh, so any fruits of their labor, right? Uh, so any fruits of their labor, right? Uh, so you know, they roll the boulder up the you know, they roll the boulder up the you know, they roll the boulder up the hill, it's generally going to go hill, it's generally going to go hill, it's generally going to go somewhere and they may not get every somewhere and they may not get every somewhere and they may not get every single thing they want in life, but single thing they want in life, but single thing they want in life, but they're going to, if you do that, you they're going to, if you do that, you they're going to, if you do that, you wake up with a great attitude and you wake up with a great attitude and you wake up with a great attitude and you work pretty hard every day, you're going work pretty hard every day, you're going work pretty hard every day, you're going to end up with a pretty good life that to end up with a pretty good life that to end up with a pretty good life that you're pretty proud of. you're pretty proud of. you're pretty proud of. >> Um, so I think about that a lot. >> Um, so I think about that a lot. >> Um, so I think about that a lot. >> Why do you think wrestling produces such >> Why do you think wrestling produces such >> Why do you think wrestling produces such mentally tough people compared to a lot mentally tough people compared to a lot mentally tough people compared to a lot of other sports? of other sports? of other sports? >> Uh, I think it's the best. Uh, I think >> Uh, I think it's the best. Uh, I think >> Uh, I think it's the best. Uh, I think it's, uh, I speak on this topic a lot. I it's, uh, I speak on this topic a lot. I it's, uh, I speak on this topic a lot. I may be biased because I run may be biased because I run may be biased because I run wrestlingmies, but I think there is no wrestlingmies, but I think there is no wrestlingmies, but I think there is no greater impact on a child's life uh than greater impact on a child's life uh than greater impact on a child's life uh than wrestling. I think it wrestling is a wrestling. I think it wrestling is a wrestling. I think it wrestling is a microcosm of life. Um I think there's a microcosm of life. Um I think there's a microcosm of life. Um I think there's a few qualities that maybe you don't get few qualities that maybe you don't get few qualities that maybe you don't get from wrestling, but most of them you do. from wrestling, but most of them you do. from wrestling, but most of them you do. Um and that is you are going to have Um and that is you are going to have Um and that is you are going to have hardship. You are going to have hardship. You are going to have hardship. You are going to have sacrifice. If you're going to lead any sacrifice. If you're going to lead any sacrifice. If you're going to lead any type of meaningful life, it's not going type of meaningful life, it's not going type of meaningful life, it's not going to be sunshine and rainbows the entire to be sunshine and rainbows the entire to be sunshine and rainbows the entire time. And so, um, you know, going to time. And so, um, you know, going to time. And so, um, you know, going to wrestling, it's a level of humility wrestling, it's a level of humility wrestling, it's a level of humility because you're never going to be the because you're never going to be the because you're never going to be the best one in the room. And, and if you're best one in the room. And, and if you're best one in the room. And, and if you're the best one in that room, you're going the best one in that room, you're going the best one in that room, you're going to go find another room that you're not to go find another room that you're not to go find another room that you're not the best in. And it's not like, hey, the best in. And it's not like, hey, the best in. And it's not like, hey, you're not the best. Go sit on the you're not the best. Go sit on the you're not the best. Go sit on the bench. You can go watch everyone else. bench. You can go watch everyone else. bench. You can go watch everyone else. No, you're not the best. Now, you're No, you're not the best. Now, you're No, you're not the best. Now, you're going to get your face rubbed in the going to get your face rubbed in the going to get your face rubbed in the back by someone who's better than you, back by someone who's better than you, back by someone who's better than you, and they're going to force you to be and they're going to force you to be and they're going to force you to be humble. Um, so I think you know, uh, humble. Um, so I think you know, uh, humble. Um, so I think you know, uh, hard work, discipline, perseverance hard work, discipline, perseverance hard work, discipline, perseverance because you you're inevitably going to because you you're inevitably going to because you you're inevitably going to get knocked down and have times of get knocked down and have times of get knocked down and have times of hardship and adversity. Um, uh, hardship and adversity. Um, uh, hardship and adversity. Um, uh, self-reliance is a big one. It's it's self-reliance is a big one. It's it's self-reliance is a big one. It's it's only you out there. There's no one else only you out there. There's no one else only you out there. There's no one else to save you. There's no team. There's no to save you. There's no team. There's no to save you. There's no team. There's no nothing else. Humility. Uh, I I think nothing else. Humility. Uh, I I think nothing else. Humility. Uh, I I think these all these qualities uh, can make a these all these qualities uh, can make a these all these qualities uh, can make a really really well-rounded human being. really really well-rounded human being. really really well-rounded human being. >> Yeah. I I mean I look at a lot of other >> Yeah. I I mean I look at a lot of other >> Yeah. I I mean I look at a lot of other combat sports, a lot of other sports in combat sports, a lot of other sports in combat sports, a lot of other sports in general, and everybody learns something, general, and everybody learns something, general, and everybody learns something, especially the consistency, especially the consistency, especially the consistency, >> the routine, but >> the routine, but >> the routine, but maybe it's a selection effect. Maybe maybe it's a selection effect. Maybe maybe it's a selection effect. Maybe it's just that the sorts of parents that it's just that the sorts of parents that it's just that the sorts of parents that put their kids in or the sorts of young put their kids in or the sorts of young put their kids in or the sorts of young guys and girls that decide that they're guys and girls that decide that they're guys and girls that decide that they're going to go into wrestling, they just going to go into wrestling, they just going to go into wrestling, they just whatever it is about making that whatever it is about making that whatever it is about making that decision, select for a particular cohort decision, select for a particular cohort decision, select for a particular cohort of people that are kind of stubborn and of people that are kind of stubborn and of people that are kind of stubborn and routinized and insane. But routinized and insane. But routinized and insane. But >> I don't know this look at look at even >> I don't know this look at look at even >> I don't know this look at look at even the UFC which is you know the the UFC which is you know the the UFC which is you know the >> I speak to that for sure. I'll tell I'll >> I speak to that for sure. I'll tell I'll >> I speak to that for sure. I'll tell I'll I'll tell you that one for sure because I'll tell you that one for sure because I'll tell you that one for sure because obviously I trained at a mixed martial obviously I trained at a mixed martial obviously I trained at a mixed martial arts gym for a long time uh and we run arts gym for a long time uh and we run arts gym for a long time uh and we run wrestling academy. The expectation of wrestling academy. The expectation of wrestling academy. The expectation of the parent coming into those two the parent coming into those two the parent coming into those two different places is totally different different places is totally different different places is totally different right so the expectation of a parent right so the expectation of a parent right so the expectation of a parent coming into ask wrestling academy is hey coming into ask wrestling academy is hey coming into ask wrestling academy is hey I want my kid to learn how to wrestle. I I want my kid to learn how to wrestle. I I want my kid to learn how to wrestle. I want them to learn some discipline and want them to learn some discipline and want them to learn some discipline and some hard work and get a little tougher. some hard work and get a little tougher. some hard work and get a little tougher. And you know what? If they do really And you know what? If they do really And you know what? If they do really well, maybe they'll win a state title or well, maybe they'll win a state title or well, maybe they'll win a state title or get a college scholarship or something get a college scholarship or something get a college scholarship or something to that effect. And in MM MMA gym, so to that effect. And in MM MMA gym, so to that effect. And in MM MMA gym, so many times I thought, "Oh, my kid, he's many times I thought, "Oh, my kid, he's many times I thought, "Oh, my kid, he's really tough and scrappy. He's going to really tough and scrappy. He's going to really tough and scrappy. He's going to be the next star on TV and make a whole be the next star on TV and make a whole be the next star on TV and make a whole bunch of money." bunch of money." bunch of money." >> Um, and so, right, the expectation of >> Um, and so, right, the expectation of >> Um, and so, right, the expectation of the two different parents doing the two the two different parents doing the two the two different parents doing the two different things is is immense. Um, and different things is is immense. Um, and different things is is immense. Um, and I think that's probably a big part of it I think that's probably a big part of it I think that's probably a big part of it is what I would guess. What would be is what I would guess. What would be is what I would guess. What would be your advice to a parent hoping to make your advice to a parent hoping to make your advice to a parent hoping to make their child's fame and fortune by their child's fame and fortune by their child's fame and fortune by getting them to do MMA? getting them to do MMA? getting them to do MMA? >> That is about the worst job you could. >> That is about the worst job you could. >> That is about the worst job you could. [laughter] I mean, I tell I tell everyone that MMA I mean, I tell I tell everyone that MMA is is an awful job. Um, you do it you do is is an awful job. Um, you do it you do is is an awful job. Um, you do it you do it in my this is my estimation. I did it it in my this is my estimation. I did it it in my this is my estimation. I did it because I wanted to fight people because because I wanted to fight people because because I wanted to fight people because I like fighting people because I love I like fighting people because I love I like fighting people because I love the combat. That's why I did it. But if the combat. That's why I did it. But if the combat. That's why I did it. But if I wanted to have a real profession and I wanted to have a real profession and I wanted to have a real profession and real job, I for sure would have done real job, I for sure would have done real job, I for sure would have done something else. Um, I always walk something else. Um, I always walk something else. Um, I always walk through someone. If you said, Chris came through someone. If you said, Chris came through someone. If you said, Chris came to me and said, "Hey, Ben, I want to be to me and said, "Hey, Ben, I want to be to me and said, "Hey, Ben, I want to be an MMA fighter. What do you think about an MMA fighter. What do you think about an MMA fighter. What do you think about that?" I said, "Number one, it's dumb. that?" I said, "Number one, it's dumb. that?" I said, "Number one, it's dumb. Here's why." Chris, you're going to Here's why." Chris, you're going to Here's why." Chris, you're going to start training. You're probably not start training. You're probably not start training. You're probably not gonna take a fight for a year. Okay, gonna take a fight for a year. Okay, gonna take a fight for a year. Okay, good. Then you take an amateur fight. good. Then you take an amateur fight. good. Then you take an amateur fight. Your amateur fights, that's going to Your amateur fights, that's going to Your amateur fights, that's going to take you probably two years to get take you probably two years to get take you probably two years to get through. Okay, once you become a pro, through. Okay, once you become a pro, through. Okay, once you become a pro, now you're going to have, say, two to now you're going to have, say, two to now you're going to have, say, two to three years of lowlevel uh professional three years of lowlevel uh professional three years of lowlevel uh professional fight. Okay, if that six years goes fight. Okay, if that six years goes fight. Okay, if that six years goes perfect, now you're going to sign to perfect, now you're going to sign to perfect, now you're going to sign to UFC. And in your first year in the UFC, UFC. And in your first year in the UFC, UFC. And in your first year in the UFC, if you win all your fights, this is this if you win all your fights, this is this if you win all your fights, this is this is seven years of perfection. Nothing is seven years of perfection. Nothing is seven years of perfection. Nothing went wrong in seven years, went wrong in seven years, went wrong in seven years, >> you're going to make like $80,000. Okay? >> you're going to make like $80,000. Okay? >> you're going to make like $80,000. Okay? But of the $80,000, you got to pay your But of the $80,000, you got to pay your But of the $80,000, you got to pay your gym, you got to pay your manager, and gym, you got to pay your manager, and gym, you got to pay your manager, and you got to pay taxes. So you're you're you got to pay taxes. So you're you're you got to pay taxes. So you're you're walking home with, I don't know, 35 walking home with, I don't know, 35 walking home with, I don't know, 35 $40,000 at that point. And well, if you $40,000 at that point. And well, if you $40,000 at that point. And well, if you don't live in California, in California, don't live in California, in California, don't live in California, in California, you're probably walking home like you're probably walking home like you're probably walking home like $27,000. That's not a good job. Um, so $27,000. That's not a good job. Um, so $27,000. That's not a good job. Um, so you know, I' I've only ever recommended you know, I' I've only ever recommended you know, I' I've only ever recommended two people and it's relatively well for two people and it's relatively well for two people and it's relatively well for them because I saw they had a small them because I saw they had a small them because I saw they had a small amigdala and they was just a little amigdala and they was just a little amigdala and they was just a little different. They wanted to fight people. different. They wanted to fight people. different. They wanted to fight people. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> How how much of your success do you >> How how much of your success do you >> How how much of your success do you think came from talent? think came from talent? think came from talent? >> Zero. I don't believe it exists. >> Zero. I don't believe it exists. >> Zero. I don't believe it exists. >> You don't believe that talent exists? >> You don't believe that talent exists? >> You don't believe that talent exists? >> I do not. And this is You know what? >> I do not. And this is You know what? >> I do not. And this is You know what? This is hilarious. I'm thankful my wife This is hilarious. I'm thankful my wife This is hilarious. I'm thankful my wife my wife is off uh You know what we're my wife is off uh You know what we're my wife is off uh You know what we're do? We're in Kansas City. We came here do? We're in Kansas City. We came here do? We're in Kansas City. We came here after I got inducted all of fame in after I got inducted all of fame in after I got inducted all of fame in Oklahoma and came to Kansas City. My Oklahoma and came to Kansas City. My Oklahoma and came to Kansas City. My wife has a 104 year old grandfather. So wife has a 104 year old grandfather. So wife has a 104 year old grandfather. So we're visiting him. Um so they're we're visiting him. Um so they're we're visiting him. Um so they're actually playing bingo with him right actually playing bingo with him right actually playing bingo with him right now. My wife my kids. now. My wife my kids. now. My wife my kids. >> Fantastic. >> Fantastic. >> Fantastic. >> I know. Great. Right. Um yeah. So I my >> I know. Great. Right. Um yeah. So I my >> I know. Great. Right. Um yeah. So I my main argument with my wife is is the main argument with my wife is is the main argument with my wife is is the talent one. I don't I do not think it talent one. I don't I do not think it talent one. I don't I do not think it exists. I think obviously human bodies exists. I think obviously human bodies exists. I think obviously human bodies have predispositions to certain things have predispositions to certain things have predispositions to certain things and there are certain sports which are and there are certain sports which are and there are certain sports which are very predisposed but uh when I think very predisposed but uh when I think very predisposed but uh when I think about talent I think of the ability to about talent I think of the ability to about talent I think of the ability to do a complex task really really well. I do a complex task really really well. I do a complex task really really well. I don't think you can do a complex task don't think you can do a complex task don't think you can do a complex task really really well without a high level really really well without a high level really really well without a high level of training. Um, and one of the things of training. Um, and one of the things of training. Um, and one of the things before we argue this, I don't know if before we argue this, I don't know if before we argue this, I don't know if you're going to argue with me or not, you're going to argue with me or not, you're going to argue with me or not, but one of the things I always argue but one of the things I always argue but one of the things I always argue prior is if we were to test talent, we prior is if we were to test talent, we prior is if we were to test talent, we would need to test talent out of the would need to test talent out of the would need to test talent out of the womb. When they pop out of their mom, we womb. When they pop out of their mom, we womb. When they pop out of their mom, we need to test it because I always say, need to test it because I always say, need to test it because I always say, "Hey, if I give you two kids come into "Hey, if I give you two kids come into "Hey, if I give you two kids come into Ask Wrestling Academy, one kid has been Ask Wrestling Academy, one kid has been Ask Wrestling Academy, one kid has been sitting on a couch playing video games, sitting on a couch playing video games, sitting on a couch playing video games, his parents feeding him snacks all day, his parents feeding him snacks all day, his parents feeding him snacks all day, never teaching him discipline. He's a never teaching him discipline. He's a never teaching him discipline. He's a roly pololy. Listen, he needs some roly pololy. Listen, he needs some roly pololy. Listen, he needs some wrestling. We're going to take care of wrestling. We're going to take care of wrestling. We're going to take care of him. we're going to give him what he him. we're going to give him what he him. we're going to give him what he needs, but he's starting way over there. needs, but he's starting way over there. needs, but he's starting way over there. If you have another seven-year-old who's If you have another seven-year-old who's If you have another seven-year-old who's never wrestled, both both have never never wrestled, both both have never never wrestled, both both have never wrestled, but he's got older brothers. wrestled, but he's got older brothers. wrestled, but he's got older brothers. They've tried to beat him up. He his They've tried to beat him up. He his They've tried to beat him up. He his parents live a very active lifestyle. parents live a very active lifestyle. parents live a very active lifestyle. They're outside. They're hiking. They They're outside. They're hiking. They They're outside. They're hiking. They climbing trees. He's biking. He's climbing trees. He's biking. He's climbing trees. He's biking. He's playing games with his brother. He's not playing games with his brother. He's not playing games with his brother. He's not sitting inside. They have healthy, sitting inside. They have healthy, sitting inside. They have healthy, nutritious food. These are two nutritious food. These are two nutritious food. These are two seven-year-olds. Neither have ever seven-year-olds. Neither have ever seven-year-olds. Neither have ever wrestled, but they are worlds apart wrestled, but they are worlds apart wrestled, but they are worlds apart right now from from jump, you know. So right now from from jump, you know. So right now from from jump, you know. So that's kind of how I like to think about that's kind of how I like to think about that's kind of how I like to think about it. So we can debate if you if you you'd it. So we can debate if you if you you'd it. So we can debate if you if you you'd like to. like to. like to. >> No, I look I I think that especially in >> No, I look I I think that especially in >> No, I look I I think that especially in the sport of wrestling perhaps something the sport of wrestling perhaps something the sport of wrestling perhaps something that you begin with so early on in life. that you begin with so early on in life. that you begin with so early on in life. I mean look, some people are literally I mean look, some people are literally I mean look, some people are literally built differently to others. Some people built differently to others. Some people built differently to others. Some people will respond to training in different will respond to training in different will respond to training in different sorts of ways. When you really start to sorts of ways. When you really start to sorts of ways. When you really start to ask what is involved in talent and if ask what is involved in talent and if ask what is involved in talent and if you were to think about something like you were to think about something like you were to think about something like desire to train as a kind of talent, desire to train as a kind of talent, desire to train as a kind of talent, some people just really like wrestling. some people just really like wrestling. some people just really like wrestling. They enjoy the idea of that. Other They enjoy the idea of that. Other They enjoy the idea of that. Other people might enjoy something really people might enjoy something really people might enjoy something really short. They might enjoy something that's short. They might enjoy something that's short. They might enjoy something that's less aggressive, right? They might be a less aggressive, right? They might be a less aggressive, right? They might be a a world champion classical musicianist, a world champion classical musicianist, a world champion classical musicianist, right? A classical pianist or violinist right? A classical pianist or violinist right? A classical pianist or violinist or something like that. Uh I don't think or something like that. Uh I don't think or something like that. Uh I don't think that if you just give those two people that if you just give those two people that if you just give those two people even with their desire to work hard and even with their desire to work hard and even with their desire to work hard and their stubbornness and all the rest of their stubbornness and all the rest of their stubbornness and all the rest of this this this >> if you don't have the desire so it's an >> if you don't have the desire so it's an >> if you don't have the desire so it's an interesting question is desire to train interesting question is desire to train interesting question is desire to train part of talent right people have a part of talent right people have a part of talent right people have a disposition to disposition to disposition to >> I would say I would say yes I say yes >> I would say I would say yes I say yes >> I would say I would say yes I say yes that's been that that that argument has that's been that that that argument has that's been that that that argument has been proven by uh the sled dogs do you been proven by uh the sled dogs do you been proven by uh the sled dogs do you know this one know this one know this one >> no >> no >> no >> the the Idrod sled dogs uh right that >> the the Idrod sled dogs uh right that >> the the Idrod sled dogs uh right that they run that big race across Alaska they run that big race across Alaska they run that big race across Alaska >> Mhm. Um, so they they breed obviously >> Mhm. Um, so they they breed obviously >> Mhm. Um, so they they breed obviously breed the dogs and the dogs I think can breed the dogs and the dogs I think can breed the dogs and the dogs I think can have a baby like every year or have a baby like every year or have a baby like every year or something. So they don't breed the something. So they don't breed the something. So they don't breed the fastest ones and they don't breed the fastest ones and they don't breed the fastest ones and they don't breed the strongest one. They breed the ones with strongest one. They breed the ones with strongest one. They breed the ones with the most desire to keep running. And so the most desire to keep running. And so the most desire to keep running. And so to to your point there's but so so what to to your point there's but so so what to to your point there's but so so what I would say what I would say to that is I would say what I would say to that is I would say what I would say to that is it and so again like 100 meter dash or it and so again like 100 meter dash or it and so again like 100 meter dash or something that's a really really simple something that's a really really simple something that's a really really simple skill like that is not uh a very complex skill like that is not uh a very complex skill like that is not uh a very complex task but a complex path there's likely a task but a complex path there's likely a task but a complex path there's likely a multitude of things that it's going to multitude of things that it's going to multitude of things that it's going to take to be world class at that. So, take to be world class at that. So, take to be world class at that. So, you're going to have to have, you know, you're going to have to have, you know, you're going to have to have, you know, work ethic, perseverance, desire to work ethic, perseverance, desire to work ethic, perseverance, desire to work, to your point. Um, probably some work, to your point. Um, probably some work, to your point. Um, probably some level of intellect helps, some level of level of intellect helps, some level of level of intellect helps, some level of hand eye coordination helps. Like, you hand eye coordination helps. Like, you hand eye coordination helps. Like, you know, there's just going to be this know, there's just going to be this know, there's just going to be this really large basket of, hey, you need really large basket of, hey, you need really large basket of, hey, you need extra amount of this skill set, but extra amount of this skill set, but extra amount of this skill set, but which ones do you need? Like in which ones do you need? Like in which ones do you need? Like in wrestling, for example, um I was wrestling, for example, um I was wrestling, for example, um I was incredibly slow twitch muscle fiber. My incredibly slow twitch muscle fiber. My incredibly slow twitch muscle fiber. My my fastest ever 40 yard dash was like a my fastest ever 40 yard dash was like a my fastest ever 40 yard dash was like a 5'8. like I am I am incredibly slow, 5'8. like I am I am incredibly slow, 5'8. like I am I am incredibly slow, >> but I found a way to make it work. >> but I found a way to make it work. >> but I found a way to make it work. There's also wrestlers who are There's also wrestlers who are There's also wrestlers who are incredibly explosive and fast to find a incredibly explosive and fast to find a incredibly explosive and fast to find a way to make that work. Um, so you know, way to make that work. Um, so you know, way to make that work. Um, so you know, like of this basket of things that you like of this basket of things that you like of this basket of things that you can have, you may need, I we'll say 20 can have, you may need, I we'll say 20 can have, you may need, I we'll say 20 of 25, but you don't need every one and of 25, but you don't need every one and of 25, but you don't need every one and you could kind of pick and choose from you could kind of pick and choose from you could kind of pick and choose from them. Um, so yeah, I I think it's an them. Um, so yeah, I I think it's an them. Um, so yeah, I I think it's an interesting topic. So obviously I would interesting topic. So obviously I would interesting topic. So obviously I would absolutely I would say people obviously absolutely I would say people obviously absolutely I would say people obviously predisposed to being born differently predisposed to being born differently predisposed to being born differently but I I also think the early period in but I I also think the early period in but I I also think the early period in life is often neglected. There's another life is often neglected. There's another life is often neglected. There's another you guys you know about the Polar you guys you know about the Polar you guys you know about the Polar sisters. sisters. sisters. >> Nope. >> Nope. >> Nope. >> Yo man, we uh So the Polar Okay, let me >> Yo man, we uh So the Polar Okay, let me >> Yo man, we uh So the Polar Okay, let me make sure I'm pretty sure I'm 100% right make sure I'm pretty sure I'm 100% right make sure I'm pretty sure I'm 100% right this uh let me make sure. So this guy uh this uh let me make sure. So this guy uh this uh let me make sure. So this guy uh Yep. I'm correct. Okay. So this guy he Yep. I'm correct. Okay. So this guy he Yep. I'm correct. Okay. So this guy he said I don't think talent exists and I'm said I don't think talent exists and I'm said I don't think talent exists and I'm going to prove it. You know how he's going to prove it. You know how he's going to prove it. You know how he's going to prove it? He puts an ad out and going to prove it? He puts an ad out and going to prove it? He puts an ad out and he says, "I need a wife who wants to he says, "I need a wife who wants to he says, "I need a wife who wants to help me make babies to be chess champion help me make babies to be chess champion help me make babies to be chess champion >> and he finds and he finds one, right?" >> and he finds and he finds one, right?" >> and he finds and he finds one, right?" So, he finds a wife to agree to these So, he finds a wife to agree to these So, he finds a wife to agree to these terms that okay, we're we're going to terms that okay, we're we're going to terms that okay, we're we're going to we're going to procreate and then my we're going to procreate and then my we're going to procreate and then my kids are going to be chess champions. kids are going to be chess champions. kids are going to be chess champions. So, he he he called the shot. He says it So, he he he called the shot. He says it So, he he he called the shot. He says it before he even has kids, he says and his before he even has kids, he says and his before he even has kids, he says and his his three girls, I want to say, were the his three girls, I want to say, were the his three girls, I want to say, were the three of the five highest rated players three of the five highest rated players three of the five highest rated players of all time. Wow. So he called it before of all time. Wow. So he called it before of all time. Wow. So he called it before he appropriate. he appropriate. he appropriate. >> Jesus Christ. Okay. Well, yeah, if you >> Jesus Christ. Okay. Well, yeah, if you >> Jesus Christ. Okay. Well, yeah, if you if you can pick the pocket before you if you can pick the pocket before you if you can pick the pocket before you pot the eight. Uh, that's that's pot the eight. Uh, that's that's pot the eight. Uh, that's that's >> fair play. Jared, you ever considered >> fair play. Jared, you ever considered >> fair play. Jared, you ever considered that you might have a drinking problem? that you might have a drinking problem? that you might have a drinking problem? >> I don't consider a lot, Chris. >> I don't consider a lot, Chris. >> I don't consider a lot, Chris. >> Well, you drank an entire case of >> Well, you drank an entire case of >> Well, you drank an entire case of Athletic Brewing last night. Athletic Brewing last night. 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[snorts] [snorts] [snorts] [laughter] So, I I'm interested like looking back So, I I'm interested like looking back at your um at your career, you went at your um at your career, you went at your um at your career, you went undefeated for 87 matches in a row. undefeated for 87 matches in a row. undefeated for 87 matches in a row. >> Yeah. My this is my last two years in >> Yeah. My this is my last two years in >> Yeah. My this is my last two years in college. Yes. college. Yes. college. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What What goes through your mind when >> What What goes through your mind when >> What What goes through your mind when you're on a streak like that? Like, do you're on a streak like that? Like, do you're on a streak like that? Like, do you get increasingly more scared of you get increasingly more scared of you get increasingly more scared of losing it? A pressure sort of over the losing it? A pressure sort of over the losing it? A pressure sort of over the top of of things like that? top of of things like that? top of of things like that? >> Don't think about it. If you did, if you >> Don't think about it. If you did, if you >> Don't think about it. If you did, if you did, you did, you're going to lose it. did, you did, you're going to lose it. did, you did, you're going to lose it. um you know so I actually I I wrote two um you know so I actually I I wrote two um you know so I actually I I wrote two I've written two books now uh with I've written two books now uh with I've written two books now uh with assistance of course because I am not a assistance of course because I am not a assistance of course because I am not a great writer uh one is about my life one great writer uh one is about my life one great writer uh one is about my life one is about my sports psychology ideas but is about my sports psychology ideas but is about my sports psychology ideas but my junior and senior year I actually my junior and senior year I actually my junior and senior year I actually tried writing um another book uh which tried writing um another book uh which tried writing um another book uh which is about so it would have been my first is about so it would have been my first is about so it would have been my first book right never published it because I book right never published it because I book right never published it because I didn't think it turned out good enough didn't think it turned out good enough didn't think it turned out good enough but I worked with this sports psychology but I worked with this sports psychology but I worked with this sports psychology PhD and one of the things we did we sent PhD and one of the things we did we sent PhD and one of the things we did we sent a questionnaire to every division one a questionnaire to every division one a questionnaire to every division one NCA champion in the past 50 years So, at NCA champion in the past 50 years So, at NCA champion in the past 50 years So, at that point, it was 1956 to06 with a that point, it was 1956 to06 with a that point, it was 1956 to06 with a 50-year window. Um, because I I said, 50-year window. Um, because I I said, 50-year window. Um, because I I said, you know, I know what I think, but I you know, I know what I think, but I you know, I know what I think, but I want more good opinions. So, we sent want more good opinions. So, we sent want more good opinions. So, we sent them this questionnaire. I think it was them this questionnaire. I think it was them this questionnaire. I think it was like 12 questions. Um, and one of the like 12 questions. Um, and one of the like 12 questions. Um, and one of the questions, which was this was really questions, which was this was really questions, which was this was really enlightening to me because at that enlightening to me because at that enlightening to me because at that point, I already had one NCA title. I point, I already had one NCA title. I point, I already had one NCA title. I was going on my second and one of the was going on my second and one of the was going on my second and one of the questions was when did you go from good questions was when did you go from good questions was when did you go from good to great? And we were looking for some to great? And we were looking for some to great? And we were looking for some form of my training ch training changed. form of my training ch training changed. form of my training ch training changed. I got a new coach. I had a new mindset. I got a new coach. I had a new mindset. I got a new coach. I had a new mindset. Just some something like what made this Just some something like what made this Just some something like what made this happen and you know when did it happen happen and you know when did it happen happen and you know when did it happen for you specifically? And it was really for you specifically? And it was really for you specifically? And it was really funny because that the question was funny because that the question was funny because that the question was simple. Question was we want this and we simple. Question was we want this and we simple. Question was we want this and we got something totally different and it got something totally different and it got something totally different and it was the mo it was a question that was was the mo it was a question that was was the mo it was a question that was answered the most similarly of any answered the most similarly of any answered the most similarly of any questions. Right? So if we got 100 questions. Right? So if we got 100 questions. Right? So if we got 100 questionnaire 120 questionnaires back questionnaire 120 questionnaires back questionnaire 120 questionnaires back you know it's they're all open-ended you know it's they're all open-ended you know it's they're all open-ended questions. So you're going to get things questions. So you're going to get things questions. So you're going to get things that are, you know, across the gamut of that are, you know, across the gamut of that are, you know, across the gamut of what's going on. what's going on. what's going on. So many of them said, "Your question So many of them said, "Your question So many of them said, "Your question assumes I was great. I never reached assumes I was great. I never reached assumes I was great. I never reached greatness, but right." So they they all greatness, but right." So they they all greatness, but right." So they they all these people who were and if you want to these people who were and if you want to these people who were and if you want to look at wrestling, a division one state look at wrestling, a division one state look at wrestling, a division one state champion is like in the 99.999th champion is like in the 99.999th champion is like in the 99.999th percentile. You know, we're talking like percentile. You know, we're talking like percentile. You know, we're talking like one of a 100 thousand. There's there's one of a 100 thousand. There's there's one of a 100 thousand. There's there's roughly a million people wrestling in roughly a million people wrestling in roughly a million people wrestling in America today. There's 10 NCA champions. America today. There's 10 NCA champions. America today. There's 10 NCA champions. one in a 100 thousand approximately or one in a 100 thousand approximately or one in a 100 thousand approximately or something. So if you're going to label something. So if you're going to label something. So if you're going to label greatness, they're clearly in it. And greatness, they're clearly in it. And greatness, they're clearly in it. And they all were saying, not all, okay, not they all were saying, not all, okay, not they all were saying, not all, okay, not all, a very large percentage saying some all, a very large percentage saying some all, a very large percentage saying some form of I'm not great. I was never form of I'm not great. I was never form of I'm not great. I was never great. And so as we read through those great. And so as we read through those great. And so as we read through those answers, it it struck me, okay, well, I answers, it it struck me, okay, well, I answers, it it struck me, okay, well, I wouldn't say title. So by my own wouldn't say title. So by my own wouldn't say title. So by my own definition, I would be great. I've never definition, I would be great. I've never definition, I would be great. I've never even thought about I never thought I even thought about I never thought I even thought about I never thought I never considered it. All I was thinking never considered it. All I was thinking never considered it. All I was thinking about was how do I get better? How do I about was how do I get better? How do I about was how do I get better? How do I beat this next person as badly as beat this next person as badly as beat this next person as badly as possible? And so it's one of those possible? And so it's one of those possible? And so it's one of those things where the I realized that power things where the I realized that power things where the I realized that power was in not thinking about it like to was in not thinking about it like to was in not thinking about it like to just be focused on the task ahead of you just be focused on the task ahead of you just be focused on the task ahead of you as opposed to and you know like one of as opposed to and you know like one of as opposed to and you know like one of the things that I I get annoyed about um the things that I I get annoyed about um the things that I I get annoyed about um is if people say what is your legacy my is if people say what is your legacy my is if people say what is your legacy my legacy is not determined by me my my legacy is not determined by me my my legacy is not determined by me my my legacy will be determined by what all legacy will be determined by what all legacy will be determined by what all the other people think about me I'm the other people think about me I'm the other people think about me I'm going to focus on every single day what going to focus on every single day what going to focus on every single day what I think I need to do to get better and I think I need to do to get better and I think I need to do to get better and what I need to do is for what's best in what I need to do is for what's best in what I need to do is for what's best in my life and whatever they want to think my life and whatever they want to think my life and whatever they want to think of me they think of me. So, that's kind of me they think of me. So, that's kind of me they think of me. So, that's kind of how all these people are thinking is of how all these people are thinking is of how all these people are thinking is like I've just focused on getting better like I've just focused on getting better like I've just focused on getting better and I'm not worried about being great as and I'm not worried about being great as and I'm not worried about being great as you would call it. Um, and I think you would call it. Um, and I think you would call it. Um, and I think that's like really really powerful. that's like really really powerful. that's like really really powerful. >> Yeah, that's fascinating. I >> Yeah, that's fascinating. I >> Yeah, that's fascinating. I I guess the obsession to just be riven I guess the obsession to just be riven I guess the obsession to just be riven by always wanting to improve is exactly by always wanting to improve is exactly by always wanting to improve is exactly why those people are separated out from why those people are separated out from why those people are separated out from the pack. You could probably ask, you the pack. You could probably ask, you the pack. You could probably ask, you know what would be interesting would be know what would be interesting would be know what would be interesting would be to ask people who didn't become uh NCAA to ask people who didn't become uh NCAA to ask people who didn't become uh NCAA champions but were maybe in the top 2% champions but were maybe in the top 2% champions but were maybe in the top 2% and ask them when they think they became and ask them when they think they became and ask them when they think they became great. And they might be more likely to great. And they might be more likely to great. And they might be more likely to answer, oh, I became great at this answer, oh, I became great at this answer, oh, I became great at this point. Perhaps the lack of thinking that point. Perhaps the lack of thinking that point. Perhaps the lack of thinking that you're great is what actually induces you're great is what actually induces you're great is what actually induces greatness. greatness. greatness. >> That totally you you I'm sure you've >> That totally you you I'm sure you've >> That totally you you I'm sure you've heard the phrase, oh man, rest in peace. heard the phrase, oh man, rest in peace. heard the phrase, oh man, rest in peace. My old coach Duke group should say this. My old coach Duke group should say this. My old coach Duke group should say this. Um, if you're if you're green, you're Um, if you're if you're green, you're Um, if you're if you're green, you're growing. Oh, what was this phrase? It growing. Oh, what was this phrase? It growing. Oh, what was this phrase? It was essentially if you're green, you're was essentially if you're green, you're was essentially if you're green, you're growing. So, if you're you have a white growing. So, if you're you have a white growing. So, if you're you have a white belt mentality, dang, I can't believe I belt mentality, dang, I can't believe I belt mentality, dang, I can't believe I just forgot what he said all the time. just forgot what he said all the time. just forgot what he said all the time. Oh my goodness. Essentially, if you're Oh my goodness. Essentially, if you're Oh my goodness. Essentially, if you're you're green, you're growing. Like, if you're green, you're growing. Like, if you're green, you're growing. Like, if you if you believe you're white belt and you if you believe you're white belt and you if you believe you're white belt and you're open to knowledge and learning you're open to knowledge and learning you're open to knowledge and learning people, you're going to continue to get people, you're going to continue to get people, you're going to continue to get better. But when when you think uh you better. But when when you think uh you better. But when when you think uh you know it all or you're good enough, then know it all or you're good enough, then know it all or you're good enough, then you're going to start declining. And so, you're going to start declining. And so, you're going to start declining. And so, you know, with our wrestling academy you know, with our wrestling academy you know, with our wrestling academy now, we've been open for 15 years and now, we've been open for 15 years and now, we've been open for 15 years and especially in the early days before we especially in the early days before we especially in the early days before we were as influential because now a lot of were as influential because now a lot of were as influential because now a lot of times we have kids from the time they're times we have kids from the time they're times we have kids from the time they're real little, five, six, seven years old. real little, five, six, seven years old. real little, five, six, seven years old. Um, but previously we saw certain kids Um, but previously we saw certain kids Um, but previously we saw certain kids say, "Oh, I want a sectional title. I'm say, "Oh, I want a sectional title. I'm say, "Oh, I want a sectional title. I'm I'm I don't need to listen to you. I'm I'm I don't need to listen to you. I'm I'm I don't need to listen to you. I'm really good. I want a sectional title or really good. I want a sectional title or really good. I want a sectional title or I want a state title. I'm really really I want a state title. I'm really really I want a state title. I'm really really good." When you know, we talk about good." When you know, we talk about good." When you know, we talk about state title and state champion. These state title and state champion. These state title and state champion. These are these are they're not even in the are these are they're not even in the are these are they're not even in the same ballpark. So yeah, I would 100% same ballpark. So yeah, I would 100% same ballpark. So yeah, I would 100% agree with once people think they made agree with once people think they made agree with once people think they made it or they think they know everything or it or they think they know everything or it or they think they know everything or know enough or they can't be helped uh know enough or they can't be helped uh know enough or they can't be helped uh then generally there's some type of then generally there's some type of then generally there's some type of either plateauing feature or decline either plateauing feature or decline either plateauing feature or decline that happens uh in their skill ability. that happens uh in their skill ability. that happens uh in their skill ability. >> People I think even have a sense of this >> People I think even have a sense of this >> People I think even have a sense of this when they look at the trajectory of a when they look at the trajectory of a when they look at the trajectory of a any any person that's on a pursuit to any any person that's on a pursuit to any any person that's on a pursuit to life. The difference between being life. The difference between being life. The difference between being someone someone someone who has fallen off and someone that who has fallen off and someone that who has fallen off and someone that never made it is kind of fascinating to never made it is kind of fascinating to never made it is kind of fascinating to me. There's a obviously the person who me. There's a obviously the person who me. There's a obviously the person who fell off by virtue of having fallen, it fell off by virtue of having fallen, it fell off by virtue of having fallen, it means that at some point they were up means that at some point they were up means that at some point they were up pretty high, pretty high, pretty high, >> but there there is a kind of >> but there there is a kind of >> but there there is a kind of additional disparagement of oh, you had additional disparagement of oh, you had additional disparagement of oh, you had it and you lost it as opposed to you it and you lost it as opposed to you it and you lost it as opposed to you never even got it. Even though like never even got it. Even though like never even got it. Even though like objectively you did better, but we're so objectively you did better, but we're so objectively you did better, but we're so seduced and we are we're so enamored and seduced and we are we're so enamored and seduced and we are we're so enamored and enthralled by the prospect of momentum enthralled by the prospect of momentum enthralled by the prospect of momentum and and potential that if the direction and and potential that if the direction and and potential that if the direction of travel is declining, it's going from of travel is declining, it's going from of travel is declining, it's going from you were great to now you're less great you were great to now you're less great you were great to now you're less great than you were as opposed to you were than you were as opposed to you were than you were as opposed to you were average and then you became better than average and then you became better than average and then you became better than average and then you kind of stopped. I average and then you kind of stopped. I average and then you kind of stopped. I yeah yeah yeah >> in some ways yeah the the person who >> in some ways yeah the the person who >> in some ways yeah the the person who never made it but didn't get chance to never made it but didn't get chance to never made it but didn't get chance to fall off is in a a preferable position fall off is in a a preferable position fall off is in a a preferable position sometimes sometimes sometimes >> man that that's one where I would just >> man that that's one where I would just >> man that that's one where I would just say you just got to ignore everyone else say you just got to ignore everyone else say you just got to ignore everyone else uh because I agree you know so many uh because I agree you know so many uh because I agree you know so many times people use the term washed up to times people use the term washed up to times people use the term washed up to your point that means at some point they your point that means at some point they your point that means at some point they had to be significantly better than they had to be significantly better than they had to be significantly better than they currently are but t time's undefeated no currently are but t time's undefeated no currently are but t time's undefeated no one's been great forever and so u you one's been great forever and so u you one's been great forever and so u you know I I did retire I retired for the know I I did retire I retired for the know I I did retire I retired for the first time in 2017 I never got to fight first time in 2017 I never got to fight first time in 2017 I never got to fight the better guys. So I said if I ever do, the better guys. So I said if I ever do, the better guys. So I said if I ever do, I'll come back out of retirement. I I'll come back out of retirement. I I'll come back out of retirement. I unretired 2018. Then I had issues. So I unretired 2018. Then I had issues. So I unretired 2018. Then I had issues. So I retired relatively quickly again after retired relatively quickly again after retired relatively quickly again after that. Um but I always just, you know, if that. Um but I always just, you know, if that. Um but I always just, you know, if someone wants to continue to fighting, someone wants to continue to fighting, someone wants to continue to fighting, which listen, I'm not fighting is a very which listen, I'm not fighting is a very which listen, I'm not fighting is a very tough sport. So let's go to football. If tough sport. So let's go to football. If tough sport. So let's go to football. If Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady, if they want Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady, if they want Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady, if they want to continue to compete, like what's to continue to compete, like what's to continue to compete, like what's wrong with them continuing to try to wrong with them continuing to try to wrong with them continuing to try to Yeah. They're not going to be as good at Yeah. They're not going to be as good at Yeah. They're not going to be as good at 43 as they were at 28 or 32 or something 43 as they were at 28 or 32 or something 43 as they were at 28 or 32 or something obviously, but who cares? Like they're obviously, but who cares? Like they're obviously, but who cares? Like they're still they're still elite enough to be still they're still elite enough to be still they're still elite enough to be in one of the top 32 positions in the in one of the top 32 positions in the in one of the top 32 positions in the NFL, right? That you got to be top 32 NFL, right? That you got to be top 32 NFL, right? That you got to be top 32 quarterbacks to play on the field. If quarterbacks to play on the field. If quarterbacks to play on the field. If you're not, you're not going to be on you're not, you're not going to be on you're not, you're not going to be on the field. Um so that's something that's the field. Um so that's something that's the field. Um so that's something that's like, well, that's an opinion of other like, well, that's an opinion of other like, well, that's an opinion of other people. And if you want to keep playing people. And if you want to keep playing people. And if you want to keep playing football or whatever sport it is, football or whatever sport it is, football or whatever sport it is, whatever you're doing, then by all whatever you're doing, then by all whatever you're doing, then by all means, like have at us. means, like have at us. means, like have at us. >> Yeah. Well, I you're kind of on that. I >> Yeah. Well, I you're kind of on that. I >> Yeah. Well, I you're kind of on that. I suppose you were nearly You were suppose you were nearly You were suppose you were nearly You were undefeated for almost a decade, right? undefeated for almost a decade, right? undefeated for almost a decade, right? Pretty much almost a decade. But many Pretty much almost a decade. But many Pretty much almost a decade. But many casual fans remember you for one casual fans remember you for one casual fans remember you for one 5-second knockout. 5-second knockout. 5-second knockout. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What's that taught you about reputation? >> What's that taught you about reputation? >> What's that taught you about reputation? >> I ignored it in the first place and I >> I ignored it in the first place and I >> I ignored it in the first place and I can ignore it. can ignore it. can ignore it. >> So, u yeah, I just never I never thought >> So, u yeah, I just never I never thought >> So, u yeah, I just never I never thought too much about it. I mean for me I love too much about it. I mean for me I love too much about it. I mean for me I love to compete and I wanted to prove I was to compete and I wanted to prove I was to compete and I wanted to prove I was the best and that's why I you know I the best and that's why I you know I the best and that's why I you know I retired and I said the only one coming retired and I said the only one coming retired and I said the only one coming back out is I get to fight someone high back out is I get to fight someone high back out is I get to fight someone high ranked higher than me. So um you know I ranked higher than me. So um you know I ranked higher than me. So um you know I when I was fighting through the Bellator when I was fighting through the Bellator when I was fighting through the Bellator and won championship days um I fought a and won championship days um I fought a and won championship days um I fought a fair amount of highly ranked guys. Jay fair amount of highly ranked guys. Jay fair amount of highly ranked guys. Jay Haron was fairly highly ranked. I fought Haron was fairly highly ranked. I fought Haron was fairly highly ranked. I fought him. Douglas Lima um there was kind of a him. Douglas Lima um there was kind of a him. Douglas Lima um there was kind of a handful but I I never got to fight handful but I I never got to fight handful but I I never got to fight anyone who was in the top five. And so I anyone who was in the top five. And so I anyone who was in the top five. And so I was like I think I got stuck at six. was like I think I got stuck at six. was like I think I got stuck at six. So when I came out, you know, I So when I came out, you know, I So when I came out, you know, I unretired. I said, "Well, I'm I only unretired. I said, "Well, I'm I only unretired. I said, "Well, I'm I only want to fight someone better than me. I want to fight someone better than me. I want to fight someone better than me. I don't want to fight anyone that's worse don't want to fight anyone that's worse don't want to fight anyone that's worse than me because I want to try to prove than me because I want to try to prove than me because I want to try to prove I'm number one." And so, you know, right I'm number one." And so, you know, right I'm number one." And so, you know, right away it was Robbie Haller, who was I away it was Robbie Haller, who was I away it was Robbie Haller, who was I don't know if he's number two or number don't know if he's number two or number don't know if he's number two or number three in the world at that point in three in the world at that point in three in the world at that point in time. But yeah, and that was one where I time. But yeah, and that was one where I time. But yeah, and that was one where I think a lot of people and some people think a lot of people and some people think a lot of people and some people did advise me, well, don't do this. If did advise me, well, don't do this. If did advise me, well, don't do this. If you lose, people will think differently you lose, people will think differently you lose, people will think differently about you. And I said, I don't give a about you. And I said, I don't give a about you. And I said, I don't give a damn what people think about me. I never damn what people think about me. I never damn what people think about me. I never started MMA to care about what people started MMA to care about what people started MMA to care about what people thought about me. I started MMA to see thought about me. I started MMA to see thought about me. I started MMA to see if I could be the best in the world at if I could be the best in the world at if I could be the best in the world at it. And that's what I that's what I want it. And that's what I that's what I want it. And that's what I that's what I want to do and that's what I'm gonna do. And to do and that's what I'm gonna do. And to do and that's what I'm gonna do. And I listen, I didn't get there. I got I listen, I didn't get there. I got I listen, I didn't get there. I got pretty freaking close. Um, but no, I'm pretty freaking close. Um, but no, I'm pretty freaking close. Um, but no, I'm not ashamed about that at all. not ashamed about that at all. not ashamed about that at all. >> I kind of been, as I was thinking, >> I kind of been, as I was thinking, >> I kind of been, as I was thinking, watching your journey, seeing that first watching your journey, seeing that first watching your journey, seeing that first video you posted, which was like video you posted, which was like video you posted, which was like inspiring and harrowing in equal parts. inspiring and harrowing in equal parts. inspiring and harrowing in equal parts. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> You have this opportunity for your life >> You have this opportunity for your life >> You have this opportunity for your life to be defined by a variety of different to be defined by a variety of different to be defined by a variety of different situations. situations. situations. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> You had the opportunity for your career >> You had the opportunity for your career >> You had the opportunity for your career to be defined by being a NCAA champion to be defined by being a NCAA champion to be defined by being a NCAA champion in 87 undefeated fights in a row. in 87 undefeated fights in a row. in 87 undefeated fights in a row. >> You had the opportunity to be defined by >> You had the opportunity to be defined by >> You had the opportunity to be defined by being only the sixth best in the world being only the sixth best in the world being only the sixth best in the world in one championship and not pivoting on in one championship and not pivoting on in one championship and not pivoting on to something else. You had the to something else. You had the to something else. You had the opportunity to be defined by the fastest opportunity to be defined by the fastest opportunity to be defined by the fastest knockout. The opportunity to be defined knockout. The opportunity to be defined knockout. The opportunity to be defined by boxing Jake Paul. the opportunity now by boxing Jake Paul. the opportunity now by boxing Jake Paul. the opportunity now to be defined by being the guy that to be defined by being the guy that to be defined by being the guy that overcame death and got two new lungs and overcame death and got two new lungs and overcame death and got two new lungs and then went back and wrestled within the then went back and wrestled within the then went back and wrestled within the space of only a year. space of only a year. space of only a year. >> At each of these junctures, you the >> At each of these junctures, you the >> At each of these junctures, you the world is sort of offering you this world is sort of offering you this world is sort of offering you this opportunity to make your life about a opportunity to make your life about a opportunity to make your life about a thing and thing and thing and >> I it seems to me like you're continuing >> I it seems to me like you're continuing >> I it seems to me like you're continuing to like stick your middle finger up at to like stick your middle finger up at to like stick your middle finger up at the handshake. the handshake. the handshake. >> Yeah, that's that that's not what life >> Yeah, that's that that's not what life >> Yeah, that's that that's not what life is about. like legacy is defined by is about. like legacy is defined by is about. like legacy is defined by other people if they want to. If they other people if they want to. If they other people if they want to. If they and if they don't want to think about and if they don't want to think about and if they don't want to think about me, I don't I don't really care. I hope me, I don't I don't really care. I hope me, I don't I don't really care. I hope they have a great life and I'm going to they have a great life and I'm going to they have a great life and I'm going to continue to live life the way I want to continue to live life the way I want to continue to live life the way I want to and as full as I can. And um you know I and as full as I can. And um you know I and as full as I can. And um you know I I I I don't know if people consciously I I I don't know if people consciously I I I don't know if people consciously think this about me, but I think there think this about me, but I think there think this about me, but I think there are a lot of people who I don't inspired are a lot of people who I don't inspired are a lot of people who I don't inspired might be the right word by might be the right word by might be the right word by how not bashful I am towards that. Like how not bashful I am towards that. Like how not bashful I am towards that. Like I'm going to take a chance. If you offer I'm going to take a chance. If you offer I'm going to take a chance. If you offer me a chance, I'm going to take a chance me a chance, I'm going to take a chance me a chance, I'm going to take a chance all every time. And I'm going to tell all every time. And I'm going to tell all every time. And I'm going to tell you, I don't need anything given to me you, I don't need anything given to me you, I don't need anything given to me in life. All I need is an opportunity. in life. All I need is an opportunity. in life. All I need is an opportunity. And if you give me an opportunity, I'm And if you give me an opportunity, I'm And if you give me an opportunity, I'm going to take it. And am I going to win going to take it. And am I going to win going to take it. And am I going to win every time? No, I'm not. Or any of us every time? No, I'm not. Or any of us every time? No, I'm not. Or any of us going to win every time. No, we're not. going to win every time. No, we're not. going to win every time. No, we're not. And you know, there's uh there's And you know, there's uh there's And you know, there's uh there's actually this really good book. Have you actually this really good book. Have you actually this really good book. Have you ever have you read I don't know if you ever have you read I don't know if you ever have you read I don't know if you uh how you feel about this guy, but I uh how you feel about this guy, but I uh how you feel about this guy, but I like him. And I got to meet him and he's like him. And I got to meet him and he's like him. And I got to meet him and he's very cool. His name is Josh Medaf. He very cool. His name is Josh Medaf. He very cool. His name is Josh Medaf. He wrote Childwood Carry Water. Um really wrote Childwood Carry Water. Um really wrote Childwood Carry Water. Um really good really good book. Um, and then but good really good book. Um, and then but good really good book. Um, and then but then it was funny because he's written a then it was funny because he's written a then it was funny because he's written a handful books, most notable one was handful books, most notable one was handful books, most notable one was Chocolate Carry Water, but then he wrote Chocolate Carry Water, but then he wrote Chocolate Carry Water, but then he wrote a book called Finish Empty and it was a book called Finish Empty and it was a book called Finish Empty and it was life from a death bed's perspective and life from a death bed's perspective and life from a death bed's perspective and it came out right around the time I it came out right around the time I it came out right around the time I almost died. And so, uh, I got to read almost died. And so, uh, I got to read almost died. And so, uh, I got to read it with literally a deathbed perspective it with literally a deathbed perspective it with literally a deathbed perspective because I woke up I want to say it was because I woke up I want to say it was because I woke up I want to say it was May, you know, I don't know, I don't May, you know, I don't know, I don't May, you know, I don't know, I don't know the exact date it came out. I got know the exact date it came out. I got know the exact date it came out. I got it maybe a month and a half to two it maybe a month and a half to two it maybe a month and a half to two months after everything went down, you months after everything went down, you months after everything went down, you know. And one of the one of the really know. And one of the one of the really know. 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The point of life is not to this line. The point of life is not to arrive safely at death. arrive safely at death. arrive safely at death. >> Stop worrying about things and get to >> Stop worrying about things and get to >> Stop worrying about things and get to action. action. action. >> Yeah. And there's another good one. >> Yeah. And there's another good one. >> Yeah. And there's another good one. There's another really good one in There's another really good one in There's another really good one in there. Hopefully I get um worrying is there. Hopefully I get um worrying is there. Hopefully I get um worrying is like a rocking chair. You can move all like a rocking chair. You can move all like a rocking chair. You can move all day, but you ain't going anywhere. day, but you ain't going anywhere. day, but you ain't going anywhere. >> Right. So, stop worrying about things. >> Right. So, stop worrying about things. >> Right. So, stop worrying about things. Go make it happen. And that's kind of Go make it happen. And that's kind of Go make it happen. And that's kind of that's kind of how I live my life prior that's kind of how I live my life prior that's kind of how I live my life prior to this. And now it's even like, dude, to this. And now it's even like, dude, to this. And now it's even like, dude, I'm yeah, that that's how I'm going to I'm yeah, that that's how I'm going to I'm yeah, that that's how I'm going to do it. And you know, I uh like I said, I do it. And you know, I uh like I said, I do it. And you know, I uh like I said, I take my medicine every day. I wear my take my medicine every day. I wear my take my medicine every day. I wear my mask when I have to. I'm going to try mask when I have to. I'm going to try mask when I have to. I'm going to try not to be reckless with my livelihood. I not to be reckless with my livelihood. I not to be reckless with my livelihood. I my my plan is to be the longest living my my plan is to be the longest living my my plan is to be the longest living double lung transplant person ever. for double lung transplant person ever. for double lung transplant person ever. for that. That is my goal in my that. That is my goal in my that. That is my goal in my >> Do you know what the record is? >> Do you know what the record is? >> Do you know what the record is? >> 38 years. So I'm going 39, baby. >> 38 years. So I'm going 39, baby. >> 38 years. So I'm going 39, baby. >> Wow. And how old would you how old would >> Wow. And how old would you how old would >> Wow. And how old would you how old would you be? you be? you be? >> Uh I'd be 80. So you know, um yeah, that >> Uh I'd be 80. So you know, um yeah, that >> Uh I'd be 80. So you know, um yeah, that would be uh that'd be that'd be a good would be uh that'd be that'd be a good would be uh that'd be that'd be a good good life. And you know, I honestly I good life. And you know, I honestly I good life. And you know, I honestly I figure if I make it like 15 20 more figure if I make it like 15 20 more figure if I make it like 15 20 more years, there's going to be some new years, there's going to be some new years, there's going to be some new technology. They're they're already technology. They're they're already technology. They're they're already starting to build organs with uh your starting to build organs with uh your starting to build organs with uh your own stem cells, I believe, is what own stem cells, I believe, is what own stem cells, I believe, is what they're doing. And so that would also they're doing. And so that would also they're doing. And so that would also get me off the the imunosuppressants get me off the the imunosuppressants get me off the the imunosuppressants because those pills over. because those pills over. because those pills over. >> So you're suggesting that you would get >> So you're suggesting that you would get >> So you're suggesting that you would get another lung transplant. another lung transplant. another lung transplant. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You'd be you'd be down for that. You'd >> You'd be you'd be down for that. You'd >> You'd be you'd be down for that. You'd go through it again. go through it again. go through it again. >> Oh, absolutely. I mean because the >> Oh, absolutely. I mean because the >> Oh, absolutely. I mean because the imunosuppressants imunosuppressants imunosuppressants um are they're a decent portion of the um are they're a decent portion of the um are they're a decent portion of the reason why life expectancy is not that reason why life expectancy is not that reason why life expectancy is not that high because when you kill your immune high because when you kill your immune high because when you kill your immune system, you cause a whole bunch of other system, you cause a whole bunch of other system, you cause a whole bunch of other problems, right? Um, and problems, right? Um, and problems, right? Um, and >> so I don't know that, you know, they're >> so I don't know that, you know, they're >> so I don't know that, you know, they're they are they're literally building they are they're literally building they are they're literally building organs with stem cells and your your own organs with stem cells and your your own organs with stem cells and your your own DNA. Um, they're probably not very good DNA. Um, they're probably not very good DNA. Um, they're probably not very good at it. Yes. But at it. Yes. But at it. Yes. But >> dude, I get the sense if if there's a >> dude, I get the sense if if there's a >> dude, I get the sense if if there's a list of people that they want to test list of people that they want to test list of people that they want to test this on as a good case study. I reckon this on as a good case study. I reckon this on as a good case study. I reckon an ex-professional athlete is probably an ex-professional athlete is probably an ex-professional athlete is probably pretty high up. And I don't know how pretty high up. And I don't know how pretty high up. And I don't know how many ex-professional athletes at your many ex-professional athletes at your many ex-professional athletes at your level have had level have had level have had >> like how no one's going to be I'll >> like how no one's going to be I'll >> like how no one's going to be I'll volunteer. I'll volunteer to have the volunteer. I'll volunteer to have the volunteer. I'll volunteer to have the lung transplant from my real ones to my lung transplant from my real ones to my lung transplant from my real ones to my fake real ones. fake real ones. fake real ones. >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Uh >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Uh >> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Uh >> told my doctor, Irish Chris, I already >> told my doctor, Irish Chris, I already >> told my doctor, Irish Chris, I already told my doctor, I said, "Hey, man. Uh told my doctor, I said, "Hey, man. Uh told my doctor, I said, "Hey, man. Uh one of my doctors is pretty young and one of my doctors is pretty young and one of my doctors is pretty young and he's I don't say progressive like you he's I don't say progressive like you he's I don't say progressive like you could tell he wants to make it happen could tell he wants to make it happen could tell he wants to make it happen and he wants to make, you know, life and he wants to make, you know, life and he wants to make, you know, life better for all the lung transplant better for all the lung transplant better for all the lung transplant patients." And I said, "Hey, man. You patients." And I said, "Hey, man. You patients." And I said, "Hey, man. You got any ideas that you think are going got any ideas that you think are going got any ideas that you think are going to work? Run them by me because you're to work? Run them by me because you're to work? Run them by me because you're not going to find anyone more not going to find anyone more not going to find anyone more disciplined and I'm down for it. If you disciplined and I'm down for it. If you disciplined and I'm down for it. If you think it's going to help me live longer, think it's going to help me live longer, think it's going to help me live longer, I will I will run that protocol. So, you I will I will run that protocol. So, you I will I will run that protocol. So, you just let me know. just let me know. just let me know. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> dude. You're you're an inspiration, man. >> dude. You're you're an inspiration, man. >> dude. You're you're an inspiration, man. You always were. But this is You always were. But this is You always were. But this is >> it's another level. So, I'm I'm really >> it's another level. So, I'm I'm really >> it's another level. So, I'm I'm really really happy that you're still here. I'm really happy that you're still here. I'm really happy that you're still here. I'm really happy that you're doing this. really happy that you're doing this. really happy that you're doing this. Good luck with the the fight I'm going Good luck with the the fight I'm going Good luck with the the fight I'm going to be watching. I'm going to be watching to be watching. I'm going to be watching to be watching. I'm going to be watching and enjoying. Uh and enjoying. Uh and enjoying. Uh >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> What else you got going on? Where should >> What else you got going on? Where should >> What else you got going on? Where should people go to keep up to date with all of people go to keep up to date with all of people go to keep up to date with all of the things? the things? the things? >> Oh, man. Uh you know, I don't post on >> Oh, man. Uh you know, I don't post on >> Oh, man. Uh you know, I don't post on social media that much anymore. um once social media that much anymore. um once social media that much anymore. um once Instagram and Twitter and this is my Instagram and Twitter and this is my Instagram and Twitter and this is my real name. Uh it's not Twitter anymore. real name. Uh it's not Twitter anymore. real name. Uh it's not Twitter anymore. It's called X. Sorry. Um I I but I It's called X. Sorry. Um I I but I It's called X. Sorry. Um I I but I actually I have a movie coming out this actually I have a movie coming out this actually I have a movie coming out this fall also. Um about this. It's going to fall also. Um about this. It's going to fall also. Um about this. It's going to be exciting. Um I don't know exactly be exciting. Um I don't know exactly be exciting. Um I don't know exactly when it's coming out yet. Uh so my when it's coming out yet. Uh so my when it's coming out yet. Uh so my wife's one of their family friends in wife's one of their family friends in wife's one of their family friends in high school uh was a movie producer and high school uh was a movie producer and high school uh was a movie producer and he was watching my stuff last summer and he was watching my stuff last summer and he was watching my stuff last summer and he said that looks amazing. Um you would he said that looks amazing. Um you would he said that looks amazing. Um you would you guys be open to it? my my wife had you guys be open to it? my my wife had you guys be open to it? my my wife had filmed so much stuff while I was in the filmed so much stuff while I was in the filmed so much stuff while I was in the hospital and uh he shopped it around and hospital and uh he shopped it around and hospital and uh he shopped it around and the the Henry's I don't know if you know the the Henry's I don't know if you know the the Henry's I don't know if you know them um at Novo Studios picked it up and them um at Novo Studios picked it up and them um at Novo Studios picked it up and so we've done a whole bunch of filming so we've done a whole bunch of filming so we've done a whole bunch of filming on it and I I think it's be great and I on it and I I think it's be great and I on it and I I think it's be great and I hope it's really inspiring to for people hope it's really inspiring to for people hope it's really inspiring to for people to lead a life where just like I said to lead a life where just like I said to lead a life where just like I said they're they're fearless they live the they're they're fearless they live the they're they're fearless they live the life that they want to live not the one life that they want to live not the one life that they want to live not the one that they're afraid what other people that they're afraid what other people that they're afraid what other people are going to think of them so they don't are going to think of them so they don't are going to think of them so they don't do things they don't take chances um and do things they don't take chances um and do things they don't take chances um and to live their life as fully as possible to live their life as fully as possible to live their life as fully as possible so That's kind of what I'm hoping to so That's kind of what I'm hoping to so That's kind of what I'm hoping to inspire people with. inspire people with. inspire people with. >> Unreal, man. Unreal, dude. Let's keep in >> Unreal, man. Unreal, dude. Let's keep in >> Unreal, man. Unreal, dude. Let's keep in touch. I'm excited to see what you do touch. I'm excited to see what you do touch. I'm excited to see what you do next and uh let's uh let's talk when the next and uh let's uh let's talk when the next and uh let's uh let's talk when the the documentary comes out. the documentary comes out. the documentary comes out. >> Awesome. I love it. Thanks so much, man. >> Awesome. I love it. Thanks so much, man. >> Awesome. I love it. Thanks so much, man. >> Appreciate you, dude. Catch you later >> Appreciate you, dude. Catch you later >> Appreciate you, dude. Catch you later on. Congratulations. You made it to the on. Congratulations. You made it to the on. Congratulations. You made it to the end of a full podcast episode. You are end of a full podcast episode. You are end of a full podcast episode. 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