How to Steal Thoughts Out of Anyone’s Head - Oz Pearlman

You have said that your career is built You have said that your career is built on a lie. on a lie. on a lie. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What's a lie? >> What's a lie? >> What's a lie? >> The lie is that can read people's minds. >> The lie is that can read people's minds. >> The lie is that can read people's minds. >> You can't. >> You can't. >> You can't. >> I can't. I wish I could. >> I can't. I wish I could. >> I can't. I wish I could. >> Okay. Why does what you do work then if >> Okay. Why does what you do work then if >> Okay. Why does what you do work then if you can't read people's minds? you can't read people's minds? you can't read people's minds? >> Well, because I'm giving the illusion of >> Well, because I'm giving the illusion of >> Well, because I'm giving the illusion of reading people's minds, right? That's reading people's minds, right? That's reading people's minds, right? That's the skill. That's really I'm crafting a the skill. That's really I'm crafting a the skill. That's really I'm crafting a narrative which in your mind plays out narrative which in your mind plays out narrative which in your mind plays out in such a way kind of like the way a in such a way kind of like the way a in such a way kind of like the way a magic trick works, but the contract is magic trick works, but the contract is magic trick works, but the contract is different with the audience. Because different with the audience. Because different with the audience. Because most of us when we watch a magic trick most of us when we watch a magic trick most of us when we watch a magic trick since we've been young and we kind of since we've been young and we kind of since we've been young and we kind of first experience magic, we know that first experience magic, we know that first experience magic, we know that what's happening isn't real. De facto, what's happening isn't real. De facto, what's happening isn't real. De facto, the bird that appeared didn't really the bird that appeared didn't really the bird that appeared didn't really appear out of nowhere. The person doing appear out of nowhere. The person doing appear out of nowhere. The person doing this isn't God. They didn't cut a woman this isn't God. They didn't cut a woman this isn't God. They didn't cut a woman in half for real because you can't in half for real because you can't in half for real because you can't actually put her back together, right? actually put her back together, right? actually put her back together, right? Science has established what can and Science has established what can and Science has established what can and can't be done within reason. That's what can't be done within reason. That's what can't be done within reason. That's what we believe. So, you can always look and we believe. So, you can always look and we believe. So, you can always look and see and say, "Well, there's a gimmick. see and say, "Well, there's a gimmick. see and say, "Well, there's a gimmick. There's a trick. there's a way that it's There's a trick. there's a way that it's There's a trick. there's a way that it's being done. And the funny part about being done. And the funny part about being done. And the funny part about what I do, it's called mentalism. It's a what I do, it's called mentalism. It's a what I do, it's called mentalism. It's a form of magic, is that you can't really form of magic, is that you can't really form of magic, is that you can't really find how it's being done because there's find how it's being done because there's find how it's being done because there's never that trick. There's never the never that trick. There's never the never that trick. There's never the gimmick. There's never the thing that gimmick. There's never the thing that gimmick. There's never the thing that you do to do it because it's a pure art. you do to do it because it's a pure art. you do to do it because it's a pure art. It's very similar to standup comedy. I It's very similar to standup comedy. I It's very similar to standup comedy. I can show up with nothing. I could do a can show up with nothing. I could do a can show up with nothing. I could do a show today for thousands of people with show today for thousands of people with show today for thousands of people with literally nothing. A marker helps. A pad literally nothing. A marker helps. A pad literally nothing. A marker helps. A pad of paper helps, but it's not mandatory. of paper helps, but it's not mandatory. of paper helps, but it's not mandatory. is that you know when you talk about the is that you know when you talk about the is that you know when you talk about the prestige when people talk the reveal at prestige when people talk the reveal at prestige when people talk the reveal at the end that's kind of the thing that the end that's kind of the thing that the end that's kind of the thing that appears to be missing appears to be missing appears to be missing >> the abracadabra the ah yeah well it's >> the abracadabra the ah yeah well it's >> the abracadabra the ah yeah well it's not so we still get that moment of the not so we still get that moment of the not so we still get that moment of the wow the taa the but wow the taa the but wow the taa the but >> the lead up to it typically doesn't have >> the lead up to it typically doesn't have >> the lead up to it typically doesn't have any form of something that looks like any form of something that looks like any form of something that looks like it's doing the trick if that makes sense it's doing the trick if that makes sense it's doing the trick if that makes sense it appears to be just a test of wills it appears to be just a test of wills it appears to be just a test of wills where I've trained my mind to see and where I've trained my mind to see and where I've trained my mind to see and observe things about you or influence observe things about you or influence observe things about you or influence you in such ways that the method you in such ways that the method you in such ways that the method seems to really be mind readading. And seems to really be mind readading. And seems to really be mind readading. And that's that's the illusion I'm trying to that's that's the illusion I'm trying to that's that's the illusion I'm trying to present. present. present. >> Who is the greatest mentalist from >> Who is the greatest mentalist from >> Who is the greatest mentalist from history? In your opinion, history? In your opinion, history? In your opinion, >> that's a tough question. I mean, there's >> that's a tough question. I mean, there's >> that's a tough question. I mean, there's a guy in the UK named Darren Brown who's a guy in the UK named Darren Brown who's a guy in the UK named Darren Brown who's really been the godfather the last like really been the godfather the last like really been the godfather the last like two or three decades, I would say, who two or three decades, I would say, who two or three decades, I would say, who broke ground. You can't really throw broke ground. You can't really throw broke ground. You can't really throw There's a guy named Kreskin, the amazing There's a guy named Kreskin, the amazing There's a guy named Kreskin, the amazing Kreskin, who in the US was on the Kreskin, who in the US was on the Kreskin, who in the US was on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, I don't Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, I don't Tonight Show with Johnny Carson, I don't even know how many times, over 80, and even know how many times, over 80, and even know how many times, over 80, and he was a real character and performed. he was a real character and performed. he was a real character and performed. He created that whole motif. But all of He created that whole motif. But all of He created that whole motif. But all of this started, don't quote me on this, this started, don't quote me on this, this started, don't quote me on this, but about a hundred years ago, where but about a hundred years ago, where but about a hundred years ago, where people used to just pretend to be people used to just pretend to be people used to just pretend to be psychics or depending on what you psychics or depending on what you psychics or depending on what you believe, were psychics. And then believe, were psychics. And then believe, were psychics. And then magicians kind of observe the way magicians kind of observe the way magicians kind of observe the way psychics do their tricks or whatever you psychics do their tricks or whatever you psychics do their tricks or whatever you want to call them. Maybe they're doing want to call them. Maybe they're doing want to call them. Maybe they're doing it real, maybe they're not. But they it real, maybe they're not. But they it real, maybe they're not. But they found methods. And the key thing to found methods. And the key thing to found methods. And the key thing to understand that's difference between a understand that's difference between a understand that's difference between a psychic and me is what I'm doing is psychic and me is what I'm doing is psychic and me is what I'm doing is learnable, repeatable, and based in learnable, repeatable, and based in learnable, repeatable, and based in science. Those very important things. science. Those very important things. science. Those very important things. You can't teach someone to be a psychic. You can't teach someone to be a psychic. You can't teach someone to be a psychic. I've never met a psychic that could I've never met a psychic that could I've never met a psychic that could teach me to also be a psychic. I could teach me to also be a psychic. I could teach me to also be a psychic. I could teach you to be No, but it's true. I teach you to be No, but it's true. I teach you to be No, but it's true. I It's It's really And then it's not It's It's really And then it's not It's It's really And then it's not always repeatable. So, if you're a always repeatable. So, if you're a always repeatable. So, if you're a psychic, let's do this three times. Talk psychic, let's do this three times. Talk psychic, let's do this three times. Talk to my dead grandma three times. I'm to my dead grandma three times. I'm to my dead grandma three times. I'm going to ask you three questions. Answer going to ask you three questions. Answer going to ask you three questions. Answer all three. It's not like that, right? all three. It's not like that, right? all three. It's not like that, right? It's what's in the ether. It's a little It's what's in the ether. It's a little It's what's in the ether. It's a little bit more ethereal, if you will. And then bit more ethereal, if you will. And then bit more ethereal, if you will. And then it's there's it's rooted in science. I it's there's it's rooted in science. I it's there's it's rooted in science. I can explain to you the method of can explain to you the method of can explain to you the method of everything I do. Most other mentalists everything I do. Most other mentalists everything I do. Most other mentalists can explain to you how I do most of what can explain to you how I do most of what can explain to you how I do most of what I do. Not all. And that's what can set I do. Not all. And that's what can set I do. Not all. And that's what can set you apart. But that's the key. There is you apart. But that's the key. There is you apart. But that's the key. There is a method. There's something I'm doing a a method. There's something I'm doing a a method. There's something I'm doing a set of steps. set of steps. set of steps. >> What are the component parts? What are >> What are the component parts? What are >> What are the component parts? What are the core principles of being a good the core principles of being a good the core principles of being a good mentalist? mentalist? mentalist? >> I think knowing how to build rapport, >> I think knowing how to build rapport, >> I think knowing how to build rapport, how to establish trust, the same things how to establish trust, the same things how to establish trust, the same things that a hypnotist can do, same thing a that a hypnotist can do, same thing a that a hypnotist can do, same thing a good salesperson can do, the same thing good salesperson can do, the same thing good salesperson can do, the same thing that a great con man can do are very that a great con man can do are very that a great con man can do are very important. If you can't get people to important. If you can't get people to important. If you can't get people to trust you and work with you, it won't trust you and work with you, it won't trust you and work with you, it won't work. I'm not hypnotizing people to work. I'm not hypnotizing people to work. I'm not hypnotizing people to cluck like a chicken. we're having a fun cluck like a chicken. we're having a fun cluck like a chicken. we're having a fun experience together. So, you're winning experience together. So, you're winning experience together. So, you're winning them over. I would say charisma is them over. I would say charisma is them over. I would say charisma is important. important. important. >> I I would say resilience is really >> I I would say resilience is really >> I I would say resilience is really important. It's a lot of poor important. It's a lot of poor important. It's a lot of poor foundational skills that are useful in foundational skills that are useful in foundational skills that are useful in all of life. all of life. all of life. >> So, resilience is really important >> So, resilience is really important >> So, resilience is really important because it doesn't work at the because it doesn't work at the because it doesn't work at the beginning. beginning. beginning. >> So, you don't I've never met somebody >> So, you don't I've never met somebody >> So, you don't I've never met somebody who was a mentalist who was good at the who was a mentalist who was good at the who was a mentalist who was good at the start. It's very similar to stand-up start. It's very similar to stand-up start. It's very similar to stand-up comedy. You rarely find someone who's comedy. You rarely find someone who's comedy. You rarely find someone who's been doing standup comedy 6 months who's been doing standup comedy 6 months who's been doing standup comedy 6 months who's incredible and is headlining Madison incredible and is headlining Madison incredible and is headlining Madison Square Garden. there were 10 or 20 years Square Garden. there were 10 or 20 years Square Garden. there were 10 or 20 years of work to become an overnight success of work to become an overnight success of work to become an overnight success for most of those people. The same thing for most of those people. The same thing for most of those people. The same thing applies. It's the same core skill. applies. It's the same core skill. applies. It's the same core skill. >> You talk about reading micro >> You talk about reading micro >> You talk about reading micro expressions, body language. expressions, body language. expressions, body language. >> That's part of it. >> That's part of it. >> That's part of it. >> How how accurate is that in practice? >> How how accurate is that in practice? >> How how accurate is that in practice? How much can you detect from being able How much can you detect from being able How much can you detect from being able to see what's going on with someone's to see what's going on with someone's to see what's going on with someone's microp expressions, their face, their microp expressions, their face, their microp expressions, their face, their body language? body language? body language? >> I don't have an easy answer to that >> I don't have an easy answer to that >> I don't have an easy answer to that because it depends on the scenario. Does because it depends on the scenario. Does because it depends on the scenario. Does that make sense? that make sense? that make sense? A big part of what I do is create an A big part of what I do is create an A big part of what I do is create an illusion that you can generalize my illusion that you can generalize my illusion that you can generalize my skills to everything. skills to everything. skills to everything. Does that make sense or no? Because I Does that make sense or no? Because I Does that make sense or no? Because I can explain it what it means. I create a can explain it what it means. I create a can explain it what it means. I create a very specific scenario that looks it very specific scenario that looks it very specific scenario that looks it should look impossible. It should be should look impossible. It should be should look impossible. It should be very entertaining and should be a story very entertaining and should be a story very entertaining and should be a story you tell to lots of people. You go well you tell to lots of people. You go well you tell to lots of people. You go well if you can do that then remember that if you can do that then remember that if you can do that then remember that then the then connector is what people then the then connector is what people then the then connector is what people fill in the blanks. fill in the blanks. fill in the blanks. >> And it's not always true. And that's the >> And it's not always true. And that's the >> And it's not always true. And that's the honest truth is that I create an honest truth is that I create an honest truth is that I create an impression of being able to do impression of being able to do impression of being able to do everything. Should I give you an everything. Should I give you an everything. Should I give you an example? But I don't know if we're too example? But I don't know if we're too example? But I don't know if we're too early in the game. No, no, let's do it. early in the game. No, no, let's do it. early in the game. No, no, let's do it. >> But I told your team to get a deck of >> But I told your team to get a deck of >> But I told your team to get a deck of cards. They bought two decks of cards. cards. They bought two decks of cards. cards. They bought two decks of cards. Overachievers. Modern wisdom. Correct. Overachievers. Modern wisdom. Correct. Overachievers. Modern wisdom. Correct. Take Take Take >> Should we put the glass on? Grab a deck. >> Should we put the glass on? Grab a deck. >> Should we put the glass on? Grab a deck. >> Yeah. I'm not going to put the glasses >> Yeah. I'm not going to put the glasses >> Yeah. I'm not going to put the glasses on. on. on. >> It doesn't matter. >> It doesn't matter. >> It doesn't matter. >> And open it up. I don't want to touch >> And open it up. I don't want to touch >> And open it up. I don't want to touch it. it. it. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Crack it open. >> Crack it open. >> Crack it open. >> Cracking. >> Cracking. >> Cracking. >> There should be I'm assuming this is >> There should be I'm assuming this is >> There should be I'm assuming this is where CVS, Walgreens, I don't know where where CVS, Walgreens, I don't know where where CVS, Walgreens, I don't know where you got it. Are there There should be you got it. Are there There should be you got it. Are there There should be Joker and um fake cards and whatever. Joker and um fake cards and whatever. Joker and um fake cards and whatever. >> Joker. >> Joker. >> Joker. >> I don't know what there is. I have not >> I don't know what there is. I have not >> I don't know what there is. I have not touched these. So, take everything out touched these. So, take everything out touched these. So, take everything out that's not a real card. that's not a real card. that's not a real card. >> Okay? There's something advertising >> Okay? There's something advertising >> Okay? There's something advertising YouTube. There's some rules. There's two YouTube. There's some rules. There's two YouTube. There's some rules. There's two joker cards. Okay. joker cards. Okay. joker cards. Okay. >> And please shuffle them up to your >> And please shuffle them up to your >> And please shuffle them up to your heart's content. Like mix there. They're heart's content. Like mix there. They're heart's content. Like mix there. They're in order right now if they came out of in order right now if they came out of in order right now if they came out of the box. This is a brand new deck. the box. This is a brand new deck. the box. This is a brand new deck. >> Yeah, it looks that way. >> Yeah, it looks that way. >> Yeah, it looks that way. >> Are you a good shuffler? >> Are you a good shuffler? >> Are you a good shuffler? >> Uh, no. Horrendous. But I uh >> Uh, no. Horrendous. But I uh >> Uh, no. Horrendous. But I uh >> At least you're honest. >> At least you're honest. >> At least you're honest. >> Yeah, dude. I've got I've got certain >> Yeah, dude. I've got I've got certain >> Yeah, dude. I've got I've got certain skills, but shuffling cards. skills, but shuffling cards. skills, but shuffling cards. >> Shuffling cards is not one of them, huh? >> Shuffling cards is not one of them, huh? >> Shuffling cards is not one of them, huh? >> No. I imagine that this is something >> No. I imagine that this is something >> No. I imagine that this is something that you do in your sleep. that you do in your sleep. that you do in your sleep. >> So, I was a magician before I was a >> So, I was a magician before I was a >> So, I was a magician before I was a mentalist. mentalist. mentalist. >> Okay. It's kind of akin to doing premed >> Okay. It's kind of akin to doing premed >> Okay. It's kind of akin to doing premed before you go to school and become a before you go to school and become a before you go to school and become a doctor, before you become a surgeon or a doctor, before you become a surgeon or a doctor, before you become a surgeon or a plastic surgeon. plastic surgeon. plastic surgeon. >> I used when I quit my job on Wall Street >> I used when I quit my job on Wall Street >> I used when I quit my job on Wall Street as many metaphors to becoming a plastic as many metaphors to becoming a plastic as many metaphors to becoming a plastic surgeon or doctor to convince my Jewish surgeon or doctor to convince my Jewish surgeon or doctor to convince my Jewish mother that I wasn't throwing away my mother that I wasn't throwing away my mother that I wasn't throwing away my life. Um, life. Um, life. Um, >> okay. [laughter and gasps] >> okay. [laughter and gasps] >> okay. [laughter and gasps] >> All right. I think moderately well >> All right. I think moderately well >> All right. I think moderately well shuffled. shuffled. shuffled. >> Yeah. But anybody watching this and >> Yeah. But anybody watching this and >> Yeah. But anybody watching this and they're going to assume so magic is they're going to assume so magic is they're going to assume so magic is slight of hand. As soon as I touch these slight of hand. As soon as I touch these slight of hand. As soon as I touch these cards, everything's out the door because cards, everything's out the door because cards, everything's out the door because I could touch them and do something. I could touch them and do something. I could touch them and do something. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? Does that make sense? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And and truly, that's the honest truth. >> And and truly, that's the honest truth. >> And and truly, that's the honest truth. If you hand me these cards, I could If you hand me these cards, I could If you hand me these cards, I could cheat 10 10 ways from Sunday. So, here's cheat 10 10 ways from Sunday. So, here's cheat 10 10 ways from Sunday. So, here's what I want you to do. I don't want this what I want you to do. I don't want this what I want you to do. I don't want this to be about the cards. The cards are to be about the cards. The cards are to be about the cards. The cards are meaningless. I just want to show you how meaningless. I just want to show you how meaningless. I just want to show you how you could generalize a skill. Do you you could generalize a skill. Do you you could generalize a skill. Do you feel like these are mixed? feel like these are mixed? feel like these are mixed? >> I think so. >> I think so. >> I think so. >> Okay. So, if you feel good, if not, by >> Okay. So, if you feel good, if not, by >> Okay. So, if you feel good, if not, by all means, we can shuffle more, but it all means, we can shuffle more, but it all means, we can shuffle more, but it it's inconsequential because I'm not it's inconsequential because I'm not it's inconsequential because I'm not going to touch them. going to touch them. going to touch them. >> They're pretty mixed. >> They're pretty mixed. >> They're pretty mixed. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did a good >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did a good >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did a good job. I did good. job. I did good. job. I did good. >> Mix them again. Do whatever you want. >> Mix them again. Do whatever you want. >> Mix them again. Do whatever you want. Put them down in front of you. Put them down in front of you. Put them down in front of you. >> Yep. Okay. >> Yep. Okay. >> Yep. Okay. >> So, you nor I can see them. >> So, you nor I can see them. >> So, you nor I can see them. >> And what I want you to do is take and >> And what I want you to do is take and >> And what I want you to do is take and how do I describe this effectively in a how do I describe this effectively in a how do I describe this effectively in a casino? They always tell you to lift off casino? They always tell you to lift off casino? They always tell you to lift off a piece. It's kind of like a cut. Yep. a piece. It's kind of like a cut. Yep. a piece. It's kind of like a cut. Yep. >> So, I want you to lift off. It could be >> So, I want you to lift off. It could be >> So, I want you to lift off. It could be a little. It could be a lot, a little. It could be a lot, a little. It could be a lot, >> but place a piece over to the side. >> but place a piece over to the side. >> but place a piece over to the side. >> You're going to go for a little. >> You're going to go for a little. >> You're going to go for a little. >> Do you feel good about that? >> Do you feel good about that? >> Do you feel good about that? >> I feel great. >> I feel great. >> I feel great. >> Would you like to do it again? It's It's >> Would you like to do it again? It's It's >> Would you like to do it again? It's It's completely your choice. completely your choice. completely your choice. >> I feel great about that. >> I feel great about that. >> I feel great about that. >> Okay. So, see where you cut to. Grab the >> Okay. So, see where you cut to. Grab the >> Okay. So, see where you cut to. Grab the card. Bring it close to your body. card. Bring it close to your body. card. Bring it close to your body. >> This top one. I honestly couldn't care >> This top one. I honestly couldn't care >> This top one. I honestly couldn't care less. If that doesn't feel right, do it. less. If that doesn't feel right, do it. less. If that doesn't feel right, do it. Cut again. Cut somewhere different. And Cut again. Cut somewhere different. And Cut again. Cut somewhere different. And take this card. Here's what I want. Very take this card. Here's what I want. Very take this card. Here's what I want. Very important. I want you to take and I want important. I want you to take and I want important. I want you to take and I want you bring it very close to you against you bring it very close to you against you bring it very close to you against and bring it close to your body and bring it close to your body and bring it close to your body >> and and make sure I can't see and look >> and and make sure I can't see and look >> and and make sure I can't see and look at it. Do you see it? at it. Do you see it? at it. Do you see it? >> See it? >> See it? >> See it? >> And now look at me. [sighs] >> And now look at me. [sighs] >> And now look at me. [sighs] Right now it's one out of 52. Are we in Right now it's one out of 52. Are we in Right now it's one out of 52. Are we in agreement? If not, we start over cuz you agreement? If not, we start over cuz you agreement? If not, we start over cuz you want to change. want to change. want to change. >> So you ask me what has to do with >> So you ask me what has to do with >> So you ask me what has to do with >> actual physical parameters like >> actual physical parameters like >> actual physical parameters like observing you. observing you. observing you. >> Google right now. If you want to Google >> Google right now. If you want to Google >> Google right now. If you want to Google this, Google is muscle reading real. this, Google is muscle reading real. this, Google is muscle reading real. >> Is muscle reading real? >> Is muscle reading real? >> Is muscle reading real? >> Yeah. Look it up because right now say >> Yeah. Look it up because right now say >> Yeah. Look it up because right now say to me, well, this can't be real. to me, well, this can't be real. to me, well, this can't be real. Literally, if you want to Google it Literally, if you want to Google it Literally, if you want to Google it right afterwards, you can Google is right afterwards, you can Google is right afterwards, you can Google is muscle reading real. Everybody do that. muscle reading real. Everybody do that. muscle reading real. Everybody do that. The idiom response scientifically chat The idiom response scientifically chat The idiom response scientifically chat GB will tell you it's real. You can see GB will tell you it's real. You can see GB will tell you it's real. You can see things in people that will give away the things in people that will give away the things in people that will give away the answer. Watch. Try not to react. Cover answer. Watch. Try not to react. Cover answer. Watch. Try not to react. Cover the card. Put it away. I don't care what the card. Put it away. I don't care what the card. Put it away. I don't care what you do with it. Think red, black, red, you do with it. Think red, black, red, you do with it. Think red, black, red, black, red, black. Hearts, diamonds, black, red, black. Hearts, diamonds, black, red, black. Hearts, diamonds, club, spades. Hearts, diamonds, club, club, spades. Hearts, diamonds, club, club, spades. Hearts, diamonds, club, spades. Ace 2, three, four, five, six, spades. Ace 2, three, four, five, six, spades. Ace 2, three, four, five, six, 7, 9, 10, jack, queen, king. It's a 7, 9, 10, jack, queen, king. It's a 7, 9, 10, jack, queen, king. It's a black card. It's a spade. It's the king black card. It's a spade. It's the king black card. It's a spade. It's the king of spades. Turn it over. How do we do of spades. Turn it over. How do we do of spades. Turn it over. How do we do anyway, [laughter] anyway, [laughter] anyway, [laughter] >> dude? [ __ ] you. >> dude? [ __ ] you. >> dude? [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. [laughter] >> No. >> No. >> Now, what somebody would think in this >> Now, what somebody would think in this >> Now, what somebody would think in this scenario, one is the card trick, but scenario, one is the card trick, but scenario, one is the card trick, but it's not cuz I didn't touch the cards it's not cuz I didn't touch the cards it's not cuz I didn't touch the cards ever. You could do this again with any ever. You could do this again with any ever. You could do this again with any cards. It's it it doesn't matter at all. cards. It's it it doesn't matter at all. cards. It's it it doesn't matter at all. In fact, In fact, In fact, >> try this glasses. Try these. Try this. >> try this glasses. Try these. Try this. >> try this glasses. Try these. Try this. Take the cards, put them all together. Take the cards, put them all together. Take the cards, put them all together. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And mix them one more time, please. >> And mix them one more time, please. >> And mix them one more time, please. >> Okay. You know what's dumb? I actually >> Okay. You know what's dumb? I actually >> Okay. You know what's dumb? I actually forgot that that was the name of it. And forgot that that was the name of it. And forgot that that was the name of it. And for the first half of it, while you were for the first half of it, while you were for the first half of it, while you were looking at me, I thought it was uh looking at me, I thought it was uh looking at me, I thought it was uh clubs. clubs. clubs. >> Oh. Only after that when you said go >> Oh. Only after that when you said go >> Oh. Only after that when you said go through it, I was like, "Ah, that's why through it, I was like, "Ah, that's why through it, I was like, "Ah, that's why I checked again." I checked again." I checked again." >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> And then you got it right. No, but you >> And then you got it right. No, but you >> And then you got it right. No, but you got it right. You got it right when you got it right. You got it right when you got it right. You got it right when you were going through the But the first were going through the But the first were going through the But the first time I was like, and then that's why I time I was like, and then that's why I time I was like, and then that's why I checked again. I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] no. checked again. I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] no. checked again. I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] no. That's a spade." If you would have That's a spade." If you would have That's a spade." If you would have thought it differently, the funny part thought it differently, the funny part thought it differently, the funny part about it, I would have gotten what you about it, I would have gotten what you about it, I would have gotten what you thought and not what was wrong. thought and not what was wrong. thought and not what was wrong. >> Use error, >> Use error, >> Use error, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Mix them again. Mix them again, please. >> Mix them again. Mix them again, please. >> Mix them again. Mix them again, please. Now, here's where you could generalize Now, here's where you could generalize Now, here's where you could generalize the skill. So, let me ask you a question the skill. So, let me ask you a question the skill. So, let me ask you a question here. here. here. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Do you know how to play poker >> Do you know how to play poker >> Do you know how to play poker >> badly? >> badly? >> badly? >> But do you know how the the rules of >> But do you know how the the rules of >> But do you know how the the rules of games like how a pair, three of a kind, games like how a pair, three of a kind, games like how a pair, three of a kind, two pair, flush, you know, all the two pair, flush, you know, all the two pair, flush, you know, all the rules? rules? rules? >> Uh, yeah. >> Uh, yeah. >> Uh, yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Broadly. >> Okay. Mixed. >> Okay. Mixed. >> If you want to put on the table kind of >> If you want to put on the table kind of >> If you want to put on the table kind of mixed, do whatever you want. I just want mixed, do whatever you want. I just want mixed, do whatever you want. I just want you to feel like you to feel like you to feel like >> I've done the mixing, dude. [laughter] >> I've done the mixing, dude. [laughter] >> I've done the mixing, dude. [laughter] I'm aware that I can do this. Add in an I'm aware that I can do this. Add in an I'm aware that I can do this. Add in an item and you're still going to be able item and you're still going to be able item and you're still going to be able to to to >> People are going to watch this and go, >> People are going to watch this and go, >> People are going to watch this and go, "Why couldn't he mix better?" That's "Why couldn't he mix better?" That's "Why couldn't he mix better?" That's what I know there. So, take and I want what I know there. So, take and I want what I know there. So, take and I want you to I'm teasing you. you to I'm teasing you. you to I'm teasing you. >> That's my skill. >> That's my skill. >> That's my skill. >> Lift off uh like a a chunk. It could be >> Lift off uh like a a chunk. It could be >> Lift off uh like a a chunk. It could be a little, could be a lot. And put one to a little, could be a lot. And put one to a little, could be a lot. And put one to the right. Perfect. Pick up another and the right. Perfect. Pick up another and the right. Perfect. Pick up another and put one to the left. Wonderful. If you put one to the left. Wonderful. If you put one to the left. Wonderful. If you saw me right guessing one card, why am I saw me right guessing one card, why am I saw me right guessing one card, why am I here right now? Think about this. You here right now? Think about this. You here right now? Think about this. You shuffled the cards. You made them three shuffled the cards. You made them three shuffled the cards. You made them three piles. Why don't we just go to Vegas and piles. Why don't we just go to Vegas and piles. Why don't we just go to Vegas and why don't I just play poker? why don't I just play poker? why don't I just play poker? >> Let's monetize the skill. It's not >> Let's monetize the skill. It's not >> Let's monetize the skill. It's not necessarily generalized to everything. necessarily generalized to everything. necessarily generalized to everything. >> You've shuffled these. You made three >> You've shuffled these. You made three >> You've shuffled these. You made three piles of your own valition. Is that piles of your own valition. Is that piles of your own valition. Is that true? true? true? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Pick up any one of the piles. Please put >> Pick up any one of the piles. Please put >> Pick up any one of the piles. Please put it in your left hand. it in your left hand. it in your left hand. Uh like this. Like uh like as if you're Uh like this. Like uh like as if you're Uh like this. Like uh like as if you're going to deal poker and pick up another going to deal poker and pick up another going to deal poker and pick up another one of the piles. one of the piles. one of the piles. >> Is that feels right? Put it on top. So >> Is that feels right? Put it on top. So >> Is that feels right? Put it on top. So you're kind of reassembling. Pick up the you're kind of reassembling. Pick up the you're kind of reassembling. Pick up the last one. Put it on top as You've cut last one. Put it on top as You've cut last one. Put it on top as You've cut the deck three times. the deck three times. the deck three times. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And here's what I want you to do. I want >> And here's what I want you to do. I want >> And here's what I want you to do. I want you in front of you over there to deal 1 you in front of you over there to deal 1 you in front of you over there to deal 1 2 3 4 five cards face down in front of 2 3 4 five cards face down in front of 2 3 4 five cards face down in front of you, please. you, please. you, please. >> You can put them on top however you >> You can put them on top however you >> You can put them on top however you want. You're going to take those cards want. You're going to take those cards want. You're going to take those cards yourself. yourself. yourself. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> No, bring them close to you. >> No, bring them close to you. >> No, bring them close to you. >> Okay. I'm just getting them in. >> Okay. I'm just getting them in. >> Okay. I'm just getting them in. >> Perfect. Grab them all. Put the deck >> Perfect. Grab them all. Put the deck >> Perfect. Grab them all. Put the deck away away away and bring it close to you. and bring it close to you. and bring it close to you. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So there's no way I could see and see if >> So there's no way I could see and see if >> So there's no way I could see and see if you what your poker hand is. Now, don't you what your poker hand is. Now, don't you what your poker hand is. Now, don't tell me, tell me, tell me, but this becomes more monetizable than but this becomes more monetizable than but this becomes more monetizable than guessing one card. guessing one card. guessing one card. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And close the cards and bring them close >> And close the cards and bring them close >> And close the cards and bring them close to your body. Do you know what poker to your body. Do you know what poker to your body. Do you know what poker hand you have? hand you have? hand you have? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Now, again, statistically, you probably >> Now, again, statistically, you probably >> Now, again, statistically, you probably have nothing because that's what happens have nothing because that's what happens have nothing because that's what happens in most poker games. H. But you seemed a in most poker games. H. But you seemed a in most poker games. H. But you seemed a little happy. little happy. little happy. >> How happy did you feel? We don't know. >> How happy did you feel? We don't know. >> How happy did you feel? We don't know. You also said you don't play poker very You also said you don't play poker very You also said you don't play poker very much, so I'd have to observe you for much, so I'd have to observe you for much, so I'd have to observe you for much longer. But a pair would be the much longer. But a pair would be the much longer. But a pair would be the worst hand. The next one would be two worst hand. The next one would be two worst hand. The next one would be two pair. Three pair. pair. Three pair. pair. Three pair. We would have a a straight or a flush or We would have a a straight or a flush or We would have a a straight or a flush or straight FL. straight FL. straight FL. This isn't a card trick. This is just This isn't a card trick. This is just This isn't a card trick. This is just watching you and it's seeing where was watching you and it's seeing where was watching you and it's seeing where was their response statistically. Again, their response statistically. Again, their response statistically. Again, I've never touched the cards. This isn't I've never touched the cards. This isn't I've never touched the cards. This isn't a card trick. This isn't about slight of a card trick. This isn't about slight of a card trick. This isn't about slight of hand. hand. hand. I think you have two pair. I think you have two pair. I think you have two pair. >> And hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. >> And hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. >> And hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Before you do this, don't do anything. Before you do this, don't do anything. Before you do this, don't do anything. Hold on. Don't tell me anything about Hold on. Don't tell me anything about Hold on. Don't tell me anything about it. I don't think I think the pairs too it. I don't think I think the pairs too it. I don't think I think the pairs too are I would describe them as both are I would describe them as both are I would describe them as both relatively low. That's my feeling. Do me relatively low. That's my feeling. Do me relatively low. That's my feeling. Do me a favor right now. I nothing jumped. I a favor right now. I nothing jumped. I a favor right now. I nothing jumped. I bet you there's no face cards. I want bet you there's no face cards. I want bet you there's no face cards. I want you to take and lay the cards out in you to take and lay the cards out in you to take and lay the cards out in front of you one at a time face down in front of you one at a time face down in front of you one at a time face down in front of you in any order you want. Just front of you in any order you want. Just front of you in any order you want. Just lay them in a row of five in front of lay them in a row of five in front of lay them in a row of five in front of you, please. Eights. Was there a pair of eights? Eights. Was there a pair of eights? >> Yes, >> Yes, >> Yes, >> there was. See, I when I said when I >> there was. See, I when I said when I >> there was. See, I when I said when I said low, you didn't know what to say. said low, you didn't know what to say. said low, you didn't know what to say. You were confused because is that low? You were confused because is that low? You were confused because is that low? It's right in the middle. It's right in the middle. It's right in the middle. >> It's right in the middle. That's the >> It's right in the middle. That's the >> It's right in the middle. That's the difficulty. difficulty. difficulty. >> I don't care what the poker hand is. Do >> I don't care what the poker hand is. Do >> I don't care what the poker hand is. Do you want to know why? you want to know why? you want to know why? >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? >> Because from the day you were born until >> Because from the day you were born until >> Because from the day you were born until today, a card trick will not be today, a card trick will not be today, a card trick will not be something you remember. something you remember. something you remember. >> It won't. So, I'm going to show you >> It won't. So, I'm going to show you >> It won't. So, I'm going to show you something that you will remember. something that you will remember. something that you will remember. >> I'm scared. >> I'm scared. >> I'm scared. >> Are you ready? Because you put these >> Are you ready? Because you put these >> Are you ready? Because you put these five cards down. five cards down. five cards down. From the day you were born until today, From the day you were born until today, From the day you were born until today, what month were you born in? Could you what month were you born in? Could you what month were you born in? Could you tell me please? tell me please? tell me please? >> February. >> February. >> February. >> February. What day? >> February. What day? >> February. What day? >> 23rd. >> 23rd. >> 23rd. >> 23rd of what year? >> 23rd of what year? >> 23rd of what year? >> 88. >> 88. >> 88. >> 88. [laughter] >> Dude, no. >> Dude, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. [laughter] No. No. No. No. No. No. [laughter] No. No. No. No. No. No. [laughter] [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] [sighs] No. [ __ ] No. [ __ ] I can't tell if it's better or worse I can't tell if it's better or worse I can't tell if it's better or worse given that you're wearing that mask given that you're wearing that mask given that you're wearing that mask right now. I can't tell. right now. I can't tell. right now. I can't tell. [laughter] I didn't even realize. I didn't even I didn't even realize. I didn't even realize. [laughter] [laughter] You're terrifying. You're terrifying. You're terrifying. You're You're a terrifying human. You're You're a terrifying human. You're You're a terrifying human. [laughter] >> You know, we were talking about cults >> You know, we were talking about cults before we got started. before we got started. before we got started. >> I'm starting one now. Are you joining? >> I'm starting one now. Are you joining? >> I'm starting one now. Are you joining? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Tell me. We all need to >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Tell me. We all need to >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Tell me. We all need to tell me what. This is broken already. tell me what. This is broken already. tell me what. This is broken already. Jared, Jared, Jared, >> we got six. >> we got six. >> we got six. >> It's okay. Good. Uh, [laughter] >> It's okay. Good. Uh, [laughter] >> It's okay. Good. Uh, [laughter] dude, that's unbelievable. It's very disconcerting. It's very disconcerting. [laughter] [gasps] [gasps] [sighs] [sighs] [sighs] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Where do we even go from here? It's the >> Where do we even go from here? It's the >> Where do we even go from here? It's the first one. first one. first one. >> I don't know, dude. I'm [laughter] >> Holy [ __ ] >> Holy [ __ ] >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> That's it. From the day you're born >> That's it. From the day you're born >> That's it. From the day you're born until today. Put these away. That was until today. Put these away. That was until today. Put these away. That was just a fun warm-up. I didn't even want just a fun warm-up. I didn't even want just a fun warm-up. I didn't even want to throw these out there that early. to throw these out there that early. to throw these out there that early. >> Okay. Well, >> Okay. Well, >> Okay. Well, >> it's the worst thing I'm going to do. >> it's the worst thing I'm going to do. >> it's the worst thing I'm going to do. >> Okay. Holy [ __ ] >> Okay. Holy [ __ ] >> Okay. Holy [ __ ] [laughter] >> Thanks, man. Thanks. Now, now I feel >> Thanks, man. Thanks. Now, now I feel like I'm going to get jump scared by a like I'm going to get jump scared by a like I'm going to get jump scared by a ghost or something. Uh, so ghost or something. Uh, so ghost or something. Uh, so you mentioned that story is a big part you mentioned that story is a big part you mentioned that story is a big part of it. That being able to sort of build of it. That being able to sort of build of it. That being able to sort of build in more than just being the trick. in more than just being the trick. in more than just being the trick. >> Well, I think that's the key because the >> Well, I think that's the key because the >> Well, I think that's the key because the story you tell is the the true power of story you tell is the the true power of story you tell is the the true power of what I do and what provides longevity what I do and what provides longevity what I do and what provides longevity and has been my secret to success. and has been my secret to success. and has been my secret to success. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Which is for years I didn't realize what >> Which is for years I didn't realize what >> Which is for years I didn't realize what I was selling, which I think is a core I was selling, which I think is a core I was selling, which I think is a core principle that a lot of people don't principle that a lot of people don't principle that a lot of people don't realize. And when I say selling, people realize. And when I say selling, people realize. And when I say selling, people always think that means money. I'm not always think that means money. I'm not always think that means money. I'm not talking about money. All of us are talking about money. All of us are talking about money. All of us are salespeople in life. We don't realize salespeople in life. We don't realize salespeople in life. We don't realize it. You and me right now, we're selling it. You and me right now, we're selling it. You and me right now, we're selling attention. You're selling people attention. You're selling people attention. You're selling people watching and listening to this program watching and listening to this program watching and listening to this program because if they stop, your business is because if they stop, your business is because if they stop, your business is done. And it took a long time to grow done. And it took a long time to grow done. And it took a long time to grow this, right? Your equity. So, I asked this, right? Your equity. So, I asked this, right? Your equity. So, I asked myself, what was I selling? For the myself, what was I selling? For the myself, what was I selling? For the longest time, I thought I'm selling. I'm longest time, I thought I'm selling. I'm longest time, I thought I'm selling. I'm amazing. Look at me. Right? It's a very amazing. Look at me. Right? It's a very amazing. Look at me. Right? It's a very narcissistic approach. I can do a cool narcissistic approach. I can do a cool narcissistic approach. I can do a cool trick. Why does that matter to you? And trick. Why does that matter to you? And trick. Why does that matter to you? And then I started in inverting the then I started in inverting the then I started in inverting the question, saying, why does it matter to question, saying, why does it matter to question, saying, why does it matter to anyone else? It shouldn't matter. Who anyone else? It shouldn't matter. Who anyone else? It shouldn't matter. Who cares? Sure, it's an escape. Sure, it's cares? Sure, it's an escape. Sure, it's cares? Sure, it's an escape. Sure, it's fun. I could do the same thing as 98% of fun. I could do the same thing as 98% of fun. I could do the same thing as 98% of my competitors and realize it's cool, my competitors and realize it's cool, my competitors and realize it's cool, that's great. I realized what's going to that's great. I realized what's going to that's great. I realized what's going to differentiate me is when I make it about differentiate me is when I make it about differentiate me is when I make it about other people. So the way the story gets other people. So the way the story gets other people. So the way the story gets told, the way a thing is remembered is told, the way a thing is remembered is told, the way a thing is remembered is much more emotionally impactful if it much more emotionally impactful if it much more emotionally impactful if it has something to do with the person has something to do with the person has something to do with the person watching you, watching you, watching you, >> right? That moment that connects with >> right? That moment that connects with >> right? That moment that connects with them where that was a card trick, so to them where that was a card trick, so to them where that was a card trick, so to speak. But the card trick when you speak. But the card trick when you speak. But the card trick when you recount it to somebody will be recount it to somebody will be recount it to somebody will be completely different because when I just completely different because when I just completely different because when I just guessed guessed guessed >> two pair in a poker hand that wasn't >> two pair in a poker hand that wasn't >> two pair in a poker hand that wasn't that meaningful. But when you sit back that meaningful. But when you sit back that meaningful. But when you sit back and rethink this through and go I and rethink this through and go I and rethink this through and go I shuffled these cards. I cut them a bunch shuffled these cards. I cut them a bunch shuffled these cards. I cut them a bunch of times and then it was the date of my of times and then it was the date of my of times and then it was the date of my birth like how could that be right? That birth like how could that be right? That birth like how could that be right? That story is going to get told in a very story is going to get told in a very story is going to get told in a very different way and hopefully for months different way and hopefully for months different way and hopefully for months and years to come and years to come and years to come >> and that's a very small parallel but >> and that's a very small parallel but >> and that's a very small parallel but when I perform I always make it about when I perform I always make it about when I perform I always make it about the people watching. If it's for an NFL the people watching. If it's for an NFL the people watching. If it's for an NFL team, it's going to be what matters to team, it's going to be what matters to team, it's going to be what matters to the football viewer. Somebody who's not the football viewer. Somebody who's not the football viewer. Somebody who's not a fan of me. They I came along for the a fan of me. They I came along for the a fan of me. They I came along for the ride. I'm trying to catch new people and ride. I'm trying to catch new people and ride. I'm trying to catch new people and [snorts] have them buy into me and what [snorts] have them buy into me and what [snorts] have them buy into me and what I do. And doing that is making it all I do. And doing that is making it all I do. And doing that is making it all about them. about them. about them. >> Like when I do my shows, if you come >> Like when I do my shows, if you come >> Like when I do my shows, if you come watch my show, the audience is the star watch my show, the audience is the star watch my show, the audience is the star of the show. I don't mean that in a of the show. I don't mean that in a of the show. I don't mean that in a cliche new age. I mean, literally, I cliche new age. I mean, literally, I cliche new age. I mean, literally, I don't have a show without the audience. don't have a show without the audience. don't have a show without the audience. I'm panning for gold. And my version of I'm panning for gold. And my version of I'm panning for gold. And my version of gold is genuine, authentic reactions. gold is genuine, authentic reactions. gold is genuine, authentic reactions. people freaking out and other people people freaking out and other people people freaking out and other people even if you're not in observing that and even if you're not in observing that and even if you're not in observing that and feeling that same feeling because wonder feeling that same feeling because wonder feeling that same feeling because wonder is kind of universal. is kind of universal. is kind of universal. >> Music isn't, comedy isn't. There's >> Music isn't, comedy isn't. There's >> Music isn't, comedy isn't. There's almost nothing that is universal. almost nothing that is universal. almost nothing that is universal. There's a few things, right? But wonder There's a few things, right? But wonder There's a few things, right? 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It's Winston Churchill's mother and she got Winston Churchill's mother and she got Winston Churchill's mother and she got to dine with Prime Minister William to dine with Prime Minister William to dine with Prime Minister William Gladstone and his rival Benjamin Draeli Gladstone and his rival Benjamin Draeli Gladstone and his rival Benjamin Draeli on consecutive nights. And when she left on consecutive nights. And when she left on consecutive nights. And when she left the dinner after sitting next to the dinner after sitting next to the dinner after sitting next to Gladstone, she said, "I left feeling Gladstone, she said, "I left feeling Gladstone, she said, "I left feeling that he was the cleverest man in that he was the cleverest man in that he was the cleverest man in England." And the following night after England." And the following night after England." And the following night after sitting next to Draeli, she said, "I sitting next to Draeli, she said, "I sitting next to Draeli, she said, "I left feeling like I was the cleverest left feeling like I was the cleverest left feeling like I was the cleverest woman." woman." woman." >> Nice. That's perfect. >> Nice. That's perfect. >> Nice. That's perfect. >> This wonderful example of what Alander >> This wonderful example of what Alander >> This wonderful example of what Alander Botton calls reverse charisma or inverse Botton calls reverse charisma or inverse Botton calls reverse charisma or inverse charisma. Some people are interesting. charisma. Some people are interesting. charisma. Some people are interesting. Some people make you feel interesting, Some people make you feel interesting, Some people make you feel interesting, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Why is it that around certain friends we >> Why is it that around certain friends we >> Why is it that around certain friends we have lots to say around other people we have lots to say around other people we have lots to say around other people we don't have so much, right? don't have so much, right? don't have so much, right? >> You go, well, and no, it's >> You go, well, and no, it's >> You go, well, and no, it's >> how much they encourage us to dig deeper >> how much they encourage us to dig deeper >> how much they encourage us to dig deeper and to think about ourselves. How much and to think about ourselves. How much and to think about ourselves. How much of us they can tolerate or they seem of us they can tolerate or they seem of us they can tolerate or they seem like they're willing to hold on to uh like they're willing to hold on to uh like they're willing to hold on to uh how prepared are they to open up about how prepared are they to open up about how prepared are they to open up about their experience that makes us feel like their experience that makes us feel like their experience that makes us feel like we have the headroom to be able to do it we have the headroom to be able to do it we have the headroom to be able to do it about ourselves? And I think uh yeah, a about ourselves? And I think uh yeah, a about ourselves? And I think uh yeah, a lot of people want to develop charisma. lot of people want to develop charisma. lot of people want to develop charisma. They want to me me look at how They want to me me look at how They want to me me look at how impressive I am. They want their aura to impressive I am. They want their aura to impressive I am. They want their aura to be electric and the stories to be be electric and the stories to be be electric and the stories to be energizing and everyone in the room to energizing and everyone in the room to energizing and everyone in the room to walk in and just walk in and just walk in and just But I when I think about the people that But I when I think about the people that But I when I think about the people that I like spending the most time with, it's I like spending the most time with, it's I like spending the most time with, it's not always the ones that are the most not always the ones that are the most not always the ones that are the most interesting. It's the ones that make me interesting. It's the ones that make me interesting. It's the ones that make me feel the most interesting. feel the most interesting. feel the most interesting. >> I think that's 100% true. And the power >> I think that's 100% true. And the power >> I think that's 100% true. And the power of silence that people don't really of silence that people don't really of silence that people don't really observe or realize. And it took me so observe or realize. And it took me so observe or realize. And it took me so many years. a comedian if they step on many years. a comedian if they step on many years. a comedian if they step on their own jokes. If you tell another their own jokes. If you tell another their own jokes. If you tell another joke while people are laughing, that's joke while people are laughing, that's joke while people are laughing, that's it's it's known as stepping on you're it's it's known as stepping on you're it's it's known as stepping on you're taking away some of their laughter. taking away some of their laughter. taking away some of their laughter. You're taking away some of the feeling. You're taking away some of the feeling. You're taking away some of the feeling. You cut it short. You cut it short. You cut it short. >> It took me years and years to realize >> It took me years and years to realize >> It took me years and years to realize that when people start reacting in a that when people start reacting in a that when people start reacting in a performance, performance, performance, >> I stop because it will continue. It's >> I stop because it will continue. It's >> I stop because it will continue. It's like an sometimes it's an avalanche that like an sometimes it's an avalanche that like an sometimes it's an avalanche that continues. And in fact, we're shooting continues. And in fact, we're shooting continues. And in fact, we're shooting uh pretty soon a special. I think I can uh pretty soon a special. I think I can uh pretty soon a special. I think I can talk about a Netflix special. And one of talk about a Netflix special. And one of talk about a Netflix special. And one of the big things we talked about is when the big things we talked about is when the big things we talked about is when you normally watch a show you watch on you normally watch a show you watch on you normally watch a show you watch on stage, we have more cameras pointing stage, we have more cameras pointing stage, we have more cameras pointing into the audience than on stage. Because into the audience than on stage. Because into the audience than on stage. Because when people sit back down after they've when people sit back down after they've when people sit back down after they've experienced it, that's the best moment experienced it, that's the best moment experienced it, that's the best moment by far. No, but it's it's not even that. by far. No, but it's it's not even that. by far. No, but it's it's not even that. It's because they don't feel like It's because they don't feel like It's because they don't feel like they're on camera anymore. When you're they're on camera anymore. When you're they're on camera anymore. When you're standing, the spotlight's on. Action. standing, the spotlight's on. Action. standing, the spotlight's on. Action. When you sit down, you get to unpack When you sit down, you get to unpack When you sit down, you get to unpack what just occurred and it feels as if what just occurred and it feels as if what just occurred and it feels as if you're no longer on camera. I liken it you're no longer on camera. I liken it you're no longer on camera. I liken it to, you know, when you cook a steak, how to, you know, when you cook a steak, how to, you know, when you cook a steak, how all the juices come in? If you just take all the juices come in? If you just take all the juices come in? If you just take the steak and put it on a plate, you the steak and put it on a plate, you the steak and put it on a plate, you don't pour the juices. That's the most don't pour the juices. That's the most don't pour the juices. That's the most delicious part of it. That's what gives delicious part of it. That's what gives delicious part of it. That's what gives it all the, you know, the the the the it all the, you know, the the the the it all the, you know, the the the the juiciness. It's like the the real flavor juiciness. It's like the the real flavor juiciness. It's like the the real flavor that happens in my show when people sit that happens in my show when people sit that happens in my show when people sit and they turn to the person next to them and they turn to the person next to them and they turn to the person next to them and they're like, "What the?" And he's and they're like, "What the?" And he's and they're like, "What the?" And he's like, "I don't know, man." And he goes, like, "I don't know, man." And he goes, like, "I don't know, man." And he goes, "How do you I don't know. I like that "How do you I don't know. I like that "How do you I don't know. I like that right there." The real part when I leave right there." The real part when I leave right there." The real part when I leave the room and you guys, that's the best the room and you guys, that's the best the room and you guys, that's the best part. That's where you want to leave the part. That's where you want to leave the part. That's where you want to leave the tape recorder on. That's where you want tape recorder on. That's where you want tape recorder on. That's where you want to hear what people really say. And he to hear what people really say. And he to hear what people really say. And he goes, "Was he in dude? I don't know how goes, "Was he in dude? I don't know how goes, "Was he in dude? I don't know how he did that. I changed my mind in the he did that. I changed my mind in the he did that. I changed my mind in the middle. How did he That's the best part. middle. How did he That's the best part. middle. How did he That's the best part. That for me is the real joy. That for me is the real joy. That for me is the real joy. >> Sitting with silence is something that >> Sitting with silence is something that >> Sitting with silence is something that takes a lot of skill to realize that takes a lot of skill to realize that takes a lot of skill to realize that there's a third participant if you're there's a third participant if you're there's a third participant if you're ever doing any kind of performance, ever doing any kind of performance, ever doing any kind of performance, especially if it's between two people. especially if it's between two people. especially if it's between two people. You and your person that's on stage, You and your person that's on stage, You and your person that's on stage, there's a third participant or 3,000 there's a third participant or 3,000 there's a third participant or 3,000 participants and that all of the people participants and that all of the people participants and that all of the people that are watching, right? that are watching, right? that are watching, right? >> And allowing that to sit, allowing the >> And allowing that to sit, allowing the >> And allowing that to sit, allowing the sort of wonder to hang a little bit. sort of wonder to hang a little bit. sort of wonder to hang a little bit. What when it comes to storytelling, you What when it comes to storytelling, you What when it comes to storytelling, you know, not everybody is going to be know, not everybody is going to be know, not everybody is going to be prestiging their way through some date prestiging their way through some date prestiging their way through some date of birth revealing card trick, of birth revealing card trick, of birth revealing card trick, telling stories more generally. What are telling stories more generally. What are telling stories more generally. What are some of the principles that you think some of the principles that you think some of the principles that you think about when it comes to telling a good about when it comes to telling a good about when it comes to telling a good story? I think this applies. There's a story? I think this applies. There's a story? I think this applies. There's a parallel, which is you're not going to parallel, which is you're not going to parallel, which is you're not going to probably learn to be a magician or a probably learn to be a magician or a probably learn to be a magician or a mentalist, but the core skills that I mentalist, but the core skills that I mentalist, but the core skills that I have are ones that are interchangeable have are ones that are interchangeable have are ones that are interchangeable in life. Asking yes or no questions in life. Asking yes or no questions in life. Asking yes or no questions gives you yes or no answers. doors get gives you yes or no answers. doors get gives you yes or no answers. doors get closed, right? The more you can give a closed, right? The more you can give a closed, right? The more you can give a branching tree and ask questions that branching tree and ask questions that branching tree and ask questions that haven't been asked before. So, a lot of haven't been asked before. So, a lot of haven't been asked before. So, a lot of what I do is I design my ideas with the what I do is I design my ideas with the what I do is I design my ideas with the end goal in mind. I literally know what end goal in mind. I literally know what end goal in mind. I literally know what I want the ending to be and then I work I want the ending to be and then I work I want the ending to be and then I work a backwards from there. Does that make a backwards from there. Does that make a backwards from there. Does that make sense? I know I observe that. For sense? I know I observe that. For sense? I know I observe that. For example, I just did something on Fox example, I just did something on Fox example, I just did something on Fox Business last week. I'm going to be on Business last week. I'm going to be on Business last week. I'm going to be on CNBC next week. I'm watching what do CNBC next week. I'm watching what do CNBC next week. I'm watching what do people care about right now. Truly, this people care about right now. Truly, this people care about right now. Truly, this is a unique time. There's chaos in the is a unique time. There's chaos in the is a unique time. There's chaos in the Middle East. Gas prices are going up. Middle East. Gas prices are going up. Middle East. Gas prices are going up. Most people are in debt. People care Most people are in debt. People care Most people are in debt. People care about what's the price of gas going to about what's the price of gas going to about what's the price of gas going to be. And I went on there and I I I made be. And I went on there and I I I made be. And I went on there and I I I made up the story, but the story, the hook at up the story, but the story, the hook at up the story, but the story, the hook at the beginning is I said there's four Fs the beginning is I said there's four Fs the beginning is I said there's four Fs that matter most to all of us. Family, that matter most to all of us. Family, that matter most to all of us. Family, friends, faith, finances. You friends, faith, finances. You friends, faith, finances. You >> going to say fuel? >> going to say fuel? >> going to say fuel? >> Yeah. [laughter] You know, I Damn it, >> Yeah. [laughter] You know, I Damn it, >> Yeah. [laughter] You know, I Damn it, Chris. I need you on on payroll. Uh but Chris. I need you on on payroll. Uh but Chris. I need you on on payroll. Uh but yeah, I I I I didn't want to. It was on yeah, I I I I didn't want to. It was on yeah, I I I I didn't want to. It was on Fox News, so faith was important. But I Fox News, so faith was important. But I Fox News, so faith was important. But I I said that that's a good one, though. I said that that's a good one, though. I said that that's a good one, though. is that uh you just needed to you the is that uh you just needed to you the is that uh you just needed to you the hook the interesting part at the hook the interesting part at the hook the interesting part at the beginning is you want to liken something beginning is you want to liken something beginning is you want to liken something that somebody can say oh yeah that makes that somebody can say oh yeah that makes that somebody can say oh yeah that makes sense that like it makes sense to me and sense that like it makes sense to me and sense that like it makes sense to me and right away I I brought it back to what right away I I brought it back to what right away I I brought it back to what are gas prices going to be how does this are gas prices going to be how does this are gas prices going to be how does this affect people around the country and it affect people around the country and it affect people around the country and it it tied together and again you're not it tied together and again you're not it tied together and again you're not going to do this as a mentalist but most going to do this as a mentalist but most going to do this as a mentalist but most people I think they're in autopilot and people I think they're in autopilot and people I think they're in autopilot and when they ask someone else a question or when they ask someone else a question or when they ask someone else a question or when they meet someone they slip into when they meet someone they slip into when they meet someone they slip into just like in an airplane autopilot after just like in an airplane autopilot after just like in an airplane autopilot after you take off and until you land. The you take off and until you land. The you take off and until you land. The plane is mostly flown by a computer that plane is mostly flown by a computer that plane is mostly flown by a computer that just does if this then this, if this, just does if this then this, if this, just does if this then this, if this, then this. We operate 95% of our lives then this. We operate 95% of our lives then this. We operate 95% of our lives in that exact fashion. You meet someone, in that exact fashion. You meet someone, in that exact fashion. You meet someone, is it like fight or flight? What do I is it like fight or flight? What do I is it like fight or flight? What do I ask them? Oh, what do you do? Okay, ask them? Oh, what do you do? Okay, ask them? Oh, what do you do? Okay, where are you from? And yes, you can do where are you from? And yes, you can do where are you from? And yes, you can do that. I'm not saying to be like a that. I'm not saying to be like a that. I'm not saying to be like a weirdo. But if you scratch below the weirdo. But if you scratch below the weirdo. But if you scratch below the surface and think of the first question, surface and think of the first question, surface and think of the first question, second question, third question you want second question, third question you want second question, third question you want to ask them and then oh, what's the to ask them and then oh, what's the to ask them and then oh, what's the fourth? Ask them the fourth first. fourth? Ask them the fourth first. fourth? Ask them the fourth first. you're much more likely to hit a you're much more likely to hit a you're much more likely to hit a question that they haven't been asked question that they haven't been asked question that they haven't been asked recently that jars them out of autopilot recently that jars them out of autopilot recently that jars them out of autopilot themselves where they go, "Oh, that's themselves where they go, "Oh, that's themselves where they go, "Oh, that's interesting. I never thought of it that interesting. I never thought of it that interesting. I never thought of it that way." That's a great question to ask. way." That's a great question to ask. way." That's a great question to ask. Something that brings you back to Something that brings you back to Something that brings you back to something more introspective and then something more introspective and then something more introspective and then listen. I know that's the craziest part, listen. I know that's the craziest part, listen. I know that's the craziest part, but most people just simply wait for but most people just simply wait for but most people just simply wait for their turn to speak next. And as soon as their turn to speak next. And as soon as their turn to speak next. And as soon as you say something that resonates with you say something that resonates with you say something that resonates with them, ding ding ding, their brain starts them, ding ding ding, their brain starts them, ding ding ding, their brain starts saying, "I need to say this next. I need saying, "I need to say this next. I need saying, "I need to say this next. I need to say this." and you're not listening to say this." and you're not listening to say this." and you're not listening to what they're saying anymore. to what they're saying anymore. to what they're saying anymore. >> Read and write are two different >> Read and write are two different >> Read and write are two different operations that rarely work at the same operations that rarely work at the same operations that rarely work at the same time in our brains. So, you have to It's time in our brains. So, you have to It's time in our brains. So, you have to It's like my my six-year-old has an idea and like my my six-year-old has an idea and like my my six-year-old has an idea and he wants it right. I'm like, "Put it in he wants it right. I'm like, "Put it in he wants it right. I'm like, "Put it in a thought bubble. Leave it in the a thought bubble. Leave it in the a thought bubble. Leave it in the thought bubble. Let's come back to it." thought bubble. Let's come back to it." thought bubble. Let's come back to it." Right? That's the hardest thing. It's Right? That's the hardest thing. It's Right? That's the hardest thing. It's hard for me, too. But the raising your hard for me, too. But the raising your hard for me, too. But the raising your hand approach and saving the thought is hand approach and saving the thought is hand approach and saving the thought is such a challenge in a conversation. such a challenge in a conversation. such a challenge in a conversation. >> Everybody criticizes the fact that they >> Everybody criticizes the fact that they >> Everybody criticizes the fact that they don't like small talk. It's it's a don't like small talk. It's it's a don't like small talk. It's it's a almost universal thing that people almost universal thing that people almost universal thing that people dislike. the idea of getting into an dislike. the idea of getting into an dislike. the idea of getting into an elevator with somebody that's going to elevator with somebody that's going to elevator with somebody that's going to stop at every floor trying to hold stop at every floor trying to hold stop at every floor trying to hold together some conversation that means together some conversation that means together some conversation that means nothing to everybody and uh yeah the nothing to everybody and uh yeah the nothing to everybody and uh yeah the idea of ridding yourself of the social idea of ridding yourself of the social idea of ridding yourself of the social foreplay and jumping straight to third foreplay and jumping straight to third foreplay and jumping straight to third base or whatever the equivalent is uh I base or whatever the equivalent is uh I base or whatever the equivalent is uh I think is a good idea. think is a good idea. think is a good idea. >> Well, even asking something that's just >> Well, even asking something that's just >> Well, even asking something that's just different like I you and I probably different like I you and I probably different like I you and I probably encounter far more new people on average encounter far more new people on average encounter far more new people on average than almost anyone. I will meet than almost anyone. I will meet than almost anyone. I will meet sometimes thousands of people in a week. sometimes thousands of people in a week. sometimes thousands of people in a week. It's just a part of my job. So how do It's just a part of my job. So how do It's just a part of my job. So how do you connect with them on a real level? I you connect with them on a real level? I you connect with them on a real level? I will stop and try to get everyone's will stop and try to get everyone's will stop and try to get everyone's names. If I don't know your name, I'll names. If I don't know your name, I'll names. If I don't know your name, I'll make sure it was Jared. I want to make make sure it was Jared. I want to make make sure it was Jared. I want to make sure I got it right. Like, that's a very sure I got it right. Like, that's a very sure I got it right. Like, that's a very core skill that's so easy to do that core skill that's so easy to do that core skill that's so easy to do that most of us just think nothing of. most of us just think nothing of. most of us just think nothing of. >> How can people become better at that? >> How can people become better at that? >> How can people become better at that? I've I met a million people on the front I've I met a million people on the front I've I met a million people on the front door of nightclubs. door of nightclubs. door of nightclubs. >> So, it's very tough. So, in that >> So, it's very tough. So, in that >> So, it's very tough. So, in that situation, if you're meeting a bunch of situation, if you're meeting a bunch of situation, if you're meeting a bunch of people all at once, it can be people all at once, it can be people all at once, it can be overwhelming, right? It's like trying to overwhelming, right? It's like trying to overwhelming, right? It's like trying to drink from a fire hose. There are ways drink from a fire hose. There are ways drink from a fire hose. There are ways to slow it down. There's ways to to slow it down. There's ways to to slow it down. There's ways to remember names for short-term purposes. remember names for short-term purposes. remember names for short-term purposes. Long-term is very different because the Long-term is very different because the Long-term is very different because the way memory imprints. Um, I gave a TED way memory imprints. Um, I gave a TED way memory imprints. Um, I gave a TED talk last year, most viewed in the world talk last year, most viewed in the world talk last year, most viewed in the world for that year. Humble brag. I'm very for that year. Humble brag. I'm very for that year. Humble brag. I'm very proud. I'm very proud of that though cuz proud. I'm very proud of that though cuz proud. I'm very proud of that though cuz I didn't expect it to do that well and I I didn't expect it to do that well and I I didn't expect it to do that well and I barely made it to the TED talk by the barely made it to the TED talk by the barely made it to the TED talk by the skin of my teeth. That's a different skin of my teeth. That's a different skin of my teeth. That's a different story. But if you ask the TED talk story. But if you ask the TED talk story. But if you ask the TED talk people, the fact that I even made it for people, the fact that I even made it for people, the fact that I even made it for the TED talk was within minutes. Flight the TED talk was within minutes. Flight the TED talk was within minutes. Flight was diverted. It landed in Seattle was diverted. It landed in Seattle was diverted. It landed in Seattle instead of Vancouver. We were on the instead of Vancouver. We were on the instead of Vancouver. We were on the tarmac for two and a half hours. We're tarmac for two and a half hours. We're tarmac for two and a half hours. We're trying to figure out how to get me trying to figure out how to get me trying to figure out how to get me there. Am I going to get in a car and there. Am I going to get in a car and there. Am I going to get in a car and just drive across the border? Finally, just drive across the border? Finally, just drive across the border? Finally, it takes off. I Anyway, it was very it takes off. I Anyway, it was very it takes off. I Anyway, it was very funny. I sprinted faster than any funny. I sprinted faster than any funny. I sprinted faster than any marathon finish I've ever had [laughter] marathon finish I've ever had [laughter] marathon finish I've ever had [laughter] out of the Vancouver airport. You know out of the Vancouver airport. You know out of the Vancouver airport. You know when you're changing in a car, how many when you're changing in a car, how many when you're changing in a car, how many times you change in a car? You're just times you change in a car? You're just times you change in a car? You're just like in a movie, legs out the window, like in a movie, legs out the window, like in a movie, legs out the window, changing, they're seeing my tidy whies. changing, they're seeing my tidy whies. changing, they're seeing my tidy whies. These underwear were embarrassing. They These underwear were embarrassing. They These underwear were embarrassing. They were not designed for public were not designed for public were not designed for public consumption. Anyways, it was crazy. I consumption. Anyways, it was crazy. I consumption. Anyways, it was crazy. I don't know how that thing came together, don't know how that thing came together, don't know how that thing came together, but in it, I taught you how to never but in it, I taught you how to never but in it, I taught you how to never forget someone's name after meeting them forget someone's name after meeting them forget someone's name after meeting them within two seconds because it's very within two seconds because it's very within two seconds because it's very embarrassing. And so I have a a little embarrassing. And so I have a a little embarrassing. And so I have a a little thing where I've switched up the thing where I've switched up the thing where I've switched up the instructions on a shampoo bottle, which instructions on a shampoo bottle, which instructions on a shampoo bottle, which are normally what? Lather, rinse, are normally what? Lather, rinse, are normally what? Lather, rinse, repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat. Three repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat. Three repeat. Lather, rinse, repeat. Three words every shampoo bottle. Here's what words every shampoo bottle. Here's what words every shampoo bottle. Here's what I say. Listen, repeat, reply. So when I say. Listen, repeat, reply. So when I say. Listen, repeat, reply. So when you meet someone, most people when they you meet someone, most people when they you meet someone, most people when they hear a name, they actually didn't forget hear a name, they actually didn't forget hear a name, they actually didn't forget the name. They actually never knew it in the name. They actually never knew it in the name. They actually never knew it in the first place. which sounds so silly, the first place. which sounds so silly, the first place. which sounds so silly, but when they say the name, you weren't but when they say the name, you weren't but when they say the name, you weren't listening because your brain is going listening because your brain is going listening because your brain is going through a stressful period at that through a stressful period at that through a stressful period at that moment. Do I already know them? What's moment. Do I already know them? What's moment. Do I already know them? What's going on? You're think of a million going on? You're think of a million going on? You're think of a million things, especially if you're meeting things, especially if you're meeting things, especially if you're meeting people. There's all different things people. There's all different things people. There's all different things going on in your brain. So, when they going on in your brain. So, when they going on in your brain. So, when they said the name, you didn't actually hear said the name, you didn't actually hear said the name, you didn't actually hear it. You don't know it. If you ask them it. You don't know it. If you ask them it. You don't know it. If you ask them right then, you don't know the name. right then, you don't know the name. right then, you don't know the name. >> So, right away, the easiest part, >> So, right away, the easiest part, >> So, right away, the easiest part, listen. Sounds silly. listen. Sounds silly. listen. Sounds silly. >> Repeat. I immediately repeat the name >> Repeat. I immediately repeat the name >> Repeat. I immediately repeat the name twice if I can. What was that? Jared or twice if I can. What was that? Jared or twice if I can. What was that? Jared or Jerry? Jared. Got it. Listen. Repeat. If Jerry? Jared. Got it. Listen. Repeat. If Jerry? Jared. Got it. Listen. Repeat. If you said it twice, your odds go down by you said it twice, your odds go down by you said it twice, your odds go down by over 90% of forgetting it within the over 90% of forgetting it within the over 90% of forgetting it within the next 10 seconds. And then reply involves next 10 seconds. And then reply involves next 10 seconds. And then reply involves some sort of a hook. You want to cement some sort of a hook. You want to cement some sort of a hook. You want to cement the name in your brain. I've got a few the name in your brain. I've got a few the name in your brain. I've got a few different tactics I use. One of them is different tactics I use. One of them is different tactics I use. One of them is how to spell it. So in this case, how to spell it. So in this case, how to spell it. So in this case, Jonathan, right, we had Jonathan here. Jonathan, right, we had Jonathan here. Jonathan, right, we had Jonathan here. Is that J O N A T H an A's or an O at Is that J O N A T H an A's or an O at Is that J O N A T H an A's or an O at the end? And then he goes J O N A T H A. the end? And then he goes J O N A T H A. the end? And then he goes J O N A T H A. Oh, that's the way to spell it. That's Oh, that's the way to spell it. That's Oh, that's the way to spell it. That's the only way those other guys. So right the only way those other guys. So right the only way those other guys. So right away I've said Jonathan three times. I'm away I've said Jonathan three times. I'm away I've said Jonathan three times. I'm going to remember it much more likely. going to remember it much more likely. going to remember it much more likely. Like it's much more likely it will not Like it's much more likely it will not Like it's much more likely it will not disappear. Second, if spelling, if the disappear. Second, if spelling, if the disappear. Second, if spelling, if the name is Chris, I'm not gonna be like, name is Chris, I'm not gonna be like, name is Chris, I'm not gonna be like, "Is that CH R I S?" Yeah, psycho. Of "Is that CH R I S?" Yeah, psycho. Of "Is that CH R I S?" Yeah, psycho. Of course, it's Chris. C H R I S. So, you course, it's Chris. C H R I S. So, you course, it's Chris. C H R I S. So, you can't spell it. What I might do in that can't spell it. What I might do in that can't spell it. What I might do in that case is pay a compliment, which is case is pay a compliment, which is case is pay a compliment, which is Chris. I love that shirt, man. I haven't Chris. I love that shirt, man. I haven't Chris. I love that shirt, man. I haven't seen that logo for modernism. Great seen that logo for modernism. Great seen that logo for modernism. Great shirt, Chris. Now, I've said it two more shirt, Chris. Now, I've said it two more shirt, Chris. Now, I've said it two more times. I've hooked it with a visual, times. I've hooked it with a visual, times. I've hooked it with a visual, which is Chris wearing the shirt. In which is Chris wearing the shirt. In which is Chris wearing the shirt. In your brain, it tends to click more. The your brain, it tends to click more. The your brain, it tends to click more. The third one is I connect it to somebody third one is I connect it to somebody third one is I connect it to somebody else I know. So if I met someone, I go, else I know. So if I met someone, I go, else I know. So if I met someone, I go, "Jonathan," I go, "That's so funny. I "Jonathan," I go, "That's so funny. I "Jonathan," I go, "That's so funny. I just read a book by that guy, Jonathan just read a book by that guy, Jonathan just read a book by that guy, Jonathan Hate. What a great book, Jonathan. Good Hate. What a great book, Jonathan. Good Hate. What a great book, Jonathan. Good name." Boom. I've just connected it. All name." Boom. I've just connected it. All name." Boom. I've just connected it. All of those things can happen in under 10 of those things can happen in under 10 of those things can happen in under 10 seconds. It's not that much. People like seconds. It's not that much. People like seconds. It's not that much. People like being complimented. It shows that you being complimented. It shows that you being complimented. It shows that you care about them and you will now care about them and you will now care about them and you will now remember their name. It's been a cheat remember their name. It's been a cheat remember their name. It's been a cheat code in life for me because I will meet code in life for me because I will meet code in life for me because I will meet people and they will feel seen and heard people and they will feel seen and heard people and they will feel seen and heard where when I leave regardless of if I'm where when I leave regardless of if I'm where when I leave regardless of if I'm really a jerk they go, "Oh, he's a nice really a jerk they go, "Oh, he's a nice really a jerk they go, "Oh, he's a nice guy." Right? It connects with you on a guy." Right? It connects with you on a guy." Right? It connects with you on a level because you're being personable level because you're being personable level because you're being personable and most people don't take the time to and most people don't take the time to and most people don't take the time to do that. do that. do that. >> What how can people become better with >> What how can people become better with >> What how can people become better with memory outside of that? It's not just memory outside of that? It's not just memory outside of that? It's not just names. Ebbing house, forgetting curb, names. Ebbing house, forgetting curb, names. Ebbing house, forgetting curb, space repetitiony stuff. This is a space repetitiony stuff. This is a space repetitiony stuff. This is a little bit of space repetition with some little bit of space repetition with some little bit of space repetition with some mind palace location based stuff going mind palace location based stuff going mind palace location based stuff going in there. in there. in there. >> It's not full pneummonics because if >> It's not full pneummonics because if >> It's not full pneummonics because if you're trying to remember people's names you're trying to remember people's names you're trying to remember people's names for longer, you really have to do a for longer, you really have to do a for longer, you really have to do a little more kind of like hard wiring and little more kind of like hard wiring and little more kind of like hard wiring and cementing and repetition but also having cementing and repetition but also having cementing and repetition but also having something that hooks the person to something that hooks the person to something that hooks the person to either a visual. Um I'm with you like either a visual. Um I'm with you like either a visual. Um I'm with you like memory palace is smart. One thing memory palace is smart. One thing memory palace is smart. One thing connects to the next connects to the connects to the next connects to the connects to the next connects to the next and you can build that out. How next and you can build that out. How next and you can build that out. How many people can remember that for a long many people can remember that for a long many people can remember that for a long time is difficult. time is difficult. time is difficult. >> It's tough. >> It's tough. >> It's tough. >> My memor is not that great which people >> My memor is not that great which people >> My memor is not that great which people will not believe. They'll say, you ask will not believe. They'll say, you ask will not believe. They'll say, you ask my wife, she'll be like, his memor is my wife, she'll be like, his memor is my wife, she'll be like, his memor is terrible. But my memory is great for terrible. But my memory is great for terrible. But my memory is great for things that are important for me to things that are important for me to things that are important for me to remember, remember, remember, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Think about that again. For most people, >> Think about that again. For most people, >> Think about that again. For most people, I think that's the case. You can like I think that's the case. You can like I think that's the case. You can like you can play to your strengths. If you can play to your strengths. If you can play to your strengths. If you're good at buys and back and those you're good at buys and back and those you're good at buys and back and those chicken legs, then you're skipping legs chicken legs, then you're skipping legs chicken legs, then you're skipping legs day, right? I didn't mean that about day, right? I didn't mean that about day, right? I didn't mean that about you. Legs are great. But you. Legs are great. But you. Legs are great. But I like how Chris is like, "What did you I like how Chris is like, "What did you I like how Chris is like, "What did you say to me? say to me? say to me? >> Train today." >> Train today." >> Train today." >> Yeah. But I think that I will do very >> Yeah. But I think that I will do very >> Yeah. But I think that I will do very well at the things that I have to well at the things that I have to well at the things that I have to remember and things that I don't care remember and things that I don't care remember and things that I don't care about will kind of atrophy and that's about will kind of atrophy and that's about will kind of atrophy and that's the part that's harder to to really the part that's harder to to really the part that's harder to to really condition. condition. condition. >> Well, this was something that I get >> Well, this was something that I get >> Well, this was something that I get asked a lot at the live shows that I've asked a lot at the live shows that I've asked a lot at the live shows that I've been doing, which is how do I get better been doing, which is how do I get better been doing, which is how do I get better at remembering ideas and when I first at remembering ideas and when I first at remembering ideas and when I first started trying to not be so much of an started trying to not be so much of an started trying to not be so much of an adult infant, I'm listening to Sam adult infant, I'm listening to Sam adult infant, I'm listening to Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson and and Rogan Harris and Jordan Peterson and and Rogan Harris and Jordan Peterson and and Rogan and these guys just seem to have like and these guys just seem to have like and these guys just seem to have like idetic memory. Like [ __ ] Ben Shapiro idetic memory. Like [ __ ] Ben Shapiro idetic memory. Like [ __ ] Ben Shapiro seem to have this like photographic seem to have this like photographic seem to have this like photographic memory. I remember reading things and memory. I remember reading things and memory. I remember reading things and then trying to explain them to a friend then trying to explain them to a friend then trying to explain them to a friend later on that day and I couldn't even later on that day and I couldn't even later on that day and I couldn't even remember what book it was I'd been remember what book it was I'd been remember what book it was I'd been reading and it was so embarrassing and I reading and it was so embarrassing and I reading and it was so embarrassing and I thought, "God, you know, this suck these thought, "God, you know, this suck these thought, "God, you know, this suck these people out there that they either have a people out there that they either have a people out there that they either have a skill set that I don't have or a skill set that I don't have or a skill set that I don't have or a capacity that I don't have or that capacity that I don't have or that capacity that I don't have or that they're that they're using some sort of they're that they're using some sort of they're that they're using some sort of strategy that I'm not aware of or maybe strategy that I'm not aware of or maybe strategy that I'm not aware of or maybe they're just better people than me." And they're just better people than me." And they're just better people than me." And then I realized that there was no reason then I realized that there was no reason then I realized that there was no reason for me to remember it. I was remembering for me to remember it. I was remembering for me to remember it. I was remembering ideas to tell my friend in the gym, ideas to tell my friend in the gym, ideas to tell my friend in the gym, >> right? And a lot of the time when people >> right? And a lot of the time when people >> right? And a lot of the time when people are saying, "I wish I remembered more of are saying, "I wish I remembered more of are saying, "I wish I remembered more of what I read." I'm like, "Well, why? Why what I read." I'm like, "Well, why? Why what I read." I'm like, "Well, why? Why is it that you want to remember this is it that you want to remember this is it that you want to remember this thing that you're reading?" Well, it thing that you're reading?" Well, it thing that you're reading?" Well, it would be cool to explain to other would be cool to explain to other would be cool to explain to other people. A lot of the time it's that I people. A lot of the time it's that I people. A lot of the time it's that I want to be able to say that I've read want to be able to say that I've read want to be able to say that I've read it. I want to be able to tell other it. I want to be able to tell other it. I want to be able to tell other people and show other people that I know people and show other people that I know people and show other people that I know this book that I've been going through this book that I've been going through this book that I've been going through or this particular documentary or or this particular documentary or or this particular documentary or whatever it might be. And as soon as I whatever it might be. And as soon as I whatever it might be. And as soon as I started doing the show, I had a reason started doing the show, I had a reason started doing the show, I had a reason to remember things. It was high veilance to remember things. It was high veilance to remember things. It was high veilance for me like very very highly important for me like very very highly important for me like very very highly important for me to hold on to stuff because I for me to hold on to stuff because I for me to hold on to stuff because I wanted to talk about this thing today wanted to talk about this thing today wanted to talk about this thing today with this guest about their book right with this guest about their book right with this guest about their book right so there was a purpose for me to do that so there was a purpose for me to do that so there was a purpose for me to do that I'm writing you know I do this I'm writing you know I do this I'm writing you know I do this newsletter every week 300,000 words newsletter every week 300,000 words newsletter every week 300,000 words later well there was a reason for me to later well there was a reason for me to later well there was a reason for me to learn stuff that week I know that I've learn stuff that week I know that I've learn stuff that week I know that I've got a thousand words to hand in this got a thousand words to hand in this got a thousand words to hand in this Monday so there is a purpose for me Monday so there is a purpose for me Monday so there is a purpose for me learning things and remembering things learning things and remembering things learning things and remembering things so that I can then recall them but so that I can then recall them but so that I can then recall them but without that it's very difficult to have without that it's very difficult to have without that it's very difficult to have memory stick. It's very effortful and memory stick. It's very effortful and memory stick. It's very effortful and the only reason that you do it is if the only reason that you do it is if the only reason that you do it is if there's an outcome on the other side of there's an outcome on the other side of there's an outcome on the other side of it. So if you're struggling to remember it. So if you're struggling to remember it. So if you're struggling to remember things that you're learning, I think things that you're learning, I think things that you're learning, I think look at what's the motivation for doing look at what's the motivation for doing look at what's the motivation for doing it. And if you don't really have one, I it. And if you don't really have one, I it. And if you don't really have one, I think giving yourself an output reason think giving yourself an output reason think giving yourself an output reason to remember this stuff is a great place to remember this stuff is a great place to remember this stuff is a great place to start. to start. to start. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. Yeah. I think memory is a difficult one Yeah. I think memory is a difficult one Yeah. I think memory is a difficult one because again most of us will think oh because again most of us will think oh because again most of us will think oh I'm so bad at remembering names or I'm I'm so bad at remembering names or I'm I'm so bad at remembering names or I'm so bad at they'll you'll you'll give so bad at they'll you'll you'll give so bad at they'll you'll you'll give yourself you won't give yourself credit yourself you won't give yourself credit yourself you won't give yourself credit for certain things when you probably for certain things when you probably for certain things when you probably have very good memory for things that have very good memory for things that have very good memory for things that are important for your survival for your are important for your survival for your are important for your survival for your dayto-day I need to pick up the kids dayto-day I need to pick up the kids dayto-day I need to pick up the kids from school hopefully you are from school hopefully you are from school hopefully you are remembering that that's very important remembering that that's very important remembering that that's very important but the things that are missing what is but the things that are missing what is but the things that are missing what is it that's that's lacking in that it that's that's lacking in that it that's that's lacking in that department I find if you can't remember department I find if you can't remember department I find if you can't remember it cheat I write things down it cheat I write things down it cheat I write things down >> take copious notes it's been one of my >> take copious notes it's been one of my >> take copious notes it's been one of my really big hacks in life is I I would really big hacks in life is I I would really big hacks in life is I I would say about 10 years ago what started say about 10 years ago what started say about 10 years ago what started happening is I would have repeat clients happening is I would have repeat clients happening is I would have repeat clients who book me for another show and I have who book me for another show and I have who book me for another show and I have a certain set list and with what I do a certain set list and with what I do a certain set list and with what I do you don't want to repeat tricks over and you don't want to repeat tricks over and you don't want to repeat tricks over and over because they lose a lot of their over because they lose a lot of their over because they lose a lot of their pizzazz and appeal so I I start pizzazz and appeal so I I start pizzazz and appeal so I I start panicking what did I do for them oh my panicking what did I do for them oh my panicking what did I do for them oh my god and then I realized that what I had god and then I realized that what I had god and then I realized that what I had done for them was asymmetrically special done for them was asymmetrically special done for them was asymmetrically special to them and not as special to me so you to them and not as special to me so you to them and not as special to me so you meet someone and you guess their ATM pin meet someone and you guess their ATM pin meet someone and you guess their ATM pin code two years ago right oh you or you code two years ago right oh you or you code two years ago right oh you or you you remember I don't remember it cuz you remember I don't remember it cuz you remember I don't remember it cuz I've done 317 shows since you but the I've done 317 shows since you but the I've done 317 shows since you but the feeling that I gave you was so strong feeling that I gave you was so strong feeling that I gave you was so strong and so adamant and I've done things and so adamant and I've done things and so adamant and I've done things where I guess I guess the name of kids where I guess I guess the name of kids where I guess I guess the name of kids before they're born from parents and I before they're born from parents and I before they're born from parents and I will give them notes and these will be will give them notes and these will be will give them notes and these will be kept in scrapbooks. I met kids who are kept in scrapbooks. I met kids who are kept in scrapbooks. I met kids who are 10 years old. No way. Yes. That's a a 10 years old. No way. Yes. That's a a 10 years old. No way. Yes. That's a a big big reputation maker. I meet someone big big reputation maker. I meet someone big big reputation maker. I meet someone who's pregnant. I go do you know if it's who's pregnant. I go do you know if it's who's pregnant. I go do you know if it's a boy or a girl? They go yes. I go do a boy or a girl? They go yes. I go do a boy or a girl? They go yes. I go do you care if it's a surprise? I won't say you care if it's a surprise? I won't say you care if it's a surprise? I won't say but I know right now if it's a boy or a but I know right now if it's a boy or a but I know right now if it's a boy or a girl and do you know your nut top name? girl and do you know your nut top name? girl and do you know your nut top name? and I'll guess the name. I've actually and I'll guess the name. I've actually and I'll guess the name. I've actually guessed in a few instances not the name guessed in a few instances not the name guessed in a few instances not the name that you you didn't think this was going that you you didn't think this was going that you you didn't think this was going to be the name and it ended up being the to be the name and it ended up being the to be the name and it ended up being the name, the one that your husband wanted, name, the one that your husband wanted, name, the one that your husband wanted, you didn't want. And so again, why do I you didn't want. And so again, why do I you didn't want. And so again, why do I say this? I'm not trying to brag. If you say this? I'm not trying to brag. If you say this? I'm not trying to brag. If you meet someone 5 years later, they meet someone 5 years later, they meet someone 5 years later, they remember that moment crystal clear. If remember that moment crystal clear. If remember that moment crystal clear. If you don't, it's hurtful. you don't, it's hurtful. you don't, it's hurtful. >> Do you see that? It's like they >> Do you see that? It's like they >> Do you see that? It's like they >> it turns something really beautiful into >> it turns something really beautiful into >> it turns something really beautiful into something that's actually a little bit something that's actually a little bit something that's actually a little bit tarnished now. tarnished now. tarnished now. >> Exactly. And so after that happened on >> Exactly. And so after that happened on >> Exactly. And so after that happened on one or two occasions, now I can somewhat one or two occasions, now I can somewhat one or two occasions, now I can somewhat to a degree fake it because I can to a degree fake it because I can to a degree fake it because I can elevate my energy to theirs and they're elevate my energy to theirs and they're elevate my energy to theirs and they're not really guessing out. But I said, I not really guessing out. But I said, I not really guessing out. But I said, I don't want to have that happen again. So don't want to have that happen again. So don't want to have that happen again. So that never happens anymore. Do you know that never happens anymore. Do you know that never happens anymore. Do you know why? Because after that happens, if I'm why? Because after that happens, if I'm why? Because after that happens, if I'm at an event, I write their name, I write at an event, I write their name, I write at an event, I write their name, I write everything. I try to cement it in my everything. I try to cement it in my everything. I try to cement it in my mind. Just writing things enhances your mind. Just writing things enhances your mind. Just writing things enhances your memory right away. Just sit down, take memory right away. Just sit down, take memory right away. Just sit down, take the effort at the end of my show, which the effort at the end of my show, which the effort at the end of my show, which you might not have a show, but at the you might not have a show, but at the you might not have a show, but at the end of your day, debrief. What was end of your day, debrief. What was end of your day, debrief. What was really important today? I don't journal. really important today? I don't journal. really important today? I don't journal. I'm not going to lie about that. But I I'm not going to lie about that. But I I'm not going to lie about that. But I will write down everything that occurs will write down everything that occurs will write down everything that occurs from a business perspective that I want from a business perspective that I want from a business perspective that I want to recall and that I can use in the to recall and that I can use in the to recall and that I can use in the future. And just by doing that, if I go future. And just by doing that, if I go future. And just by doing that, if I go back to those notes and I can connect back to those notes and I can connect back to those notes and I can connect these two people, which now through CRM, these two people, which now through CRM, these two people, which now through CRM, through very simplistic methods, I can through very simplistic methods, I can through very simplistic methods, I can just see this person met me here. They just see this person met me here. They just see this person met me here. They know this person. They might be at this know this person. They might be at this know this person. They might be at this next event. Boom. I have all this next event. Boom. I have all this next event. Boom. I have all this information that I can use. Not as a information that I can use. Not as a information that I can use. Not as a trick. I'm not revealing it in a magical trick. I'm not revealing it in a magical trick. I'm not revealing it in a magical way, but it almost feels that way to way, but it almost feels that way to way, but it almost feels that way to people. If I remember something I did people. If I remember something I did people. If I remember something I did for you three years ago, it feels like for you three years ago, it feels like for you three years ago, it feels like another experience of wonder and awe. Oh another experience of wonder and awe. Oh another experience of wonder and awe. Oh my god, how do you know that still I my god, how do you know that still I my god, how do you know that still I don't technically I re rewent over my don't technically I re rewent over my don't technically I re rewent over my notes, but that the fact that I took the notes, but that the fact that I took the notes, but that the fact that I took the time to take the notes and reviewed them time to take the notes and reviewed them time to take the notes and reviewed them is already a leg up. And you can always is already a leg up. And you can always is already a leg up. And you can always find that I do a lot of sales meetings. find that I do a lot of sales meetings. find that I do a lot of sales meetings. And at sales meetings, I'm always And at sales meetings, I'm always And at sales meetings, I'm always intrigued by the fact that one person in intrigued by the fact that one person in intrigued by the fact that one person in the room is the number one performer. the room is the number one performer. the room is the number one performer. right here. We're in a room with 3,000 right here. We're in a room with 3,000 right here. We're in a room with 3,000 people that flew to the Bahamas because people that flew to the Bahamas because people that flew to the Bahamas because they all want a trip. One person did the they all want a trip. One person did the they all want a trip. One person did the best of everyone. What made that person best of everyone. What made that person best of everyone. What made that person the best that year? That's that to me the best that year? That's that to me the best that year? That's that to me that's a fascinating thing. That's like that's a fascinating thing. That's like that's a fascinating thing. That's like when I used to run marathons my faster when I used to run marathons my faster when I used to run marathons my faster days and I would win marathons. Being at days and I would win marathons. Being at days and I would win marathons. Being at the start line, there's no bigger rush. the start line, there's no bigger rush. the start line, there's no bigger rush. There's no better drug. There's no There's no better drug. There's no There's no better drug. There's no better anything than looking around at better anything than looking around at better anything than looking around at everybody else and saying, "I'm going to everybody else and saying, "I'm going to everybody else and saying, "I'm going to beat every single one of you today." I beat every single one of you today." I beat every single one of you today." I can't even imagine being in the Olympics can't even imagine being in the Olympics can't even imagine being in the Olympics and winning a gold. Like that's the and winning a gold. Like that's the and winning a gold. Like that's the >> the rush. I can't. It's unfathomable >> the rush. I can't. It's unfathomable >> the rush. I can't. It's unfathomable because I did that at like a lower level because I did that at like a lower level because I did that at like a lower level weekend warrior and it was still the weekend warrior and it was still the weekend warrior and it was still the best. But in that room, that person must best. But in that room, that person must best. But in that room, that person must have believed they would be number one. have believed they would be number one. have believed they would be number one. And then that became self-fulfilling and And then that became self-fulfilling and And then that became self-fulfilling and they kept doing everything they could to they kept doing everything they could to they kept doing everything they could to make that happen. They didn't stumble make that happen. They didn't stumble make that happen. They didn't stumble into it. There's no way the number one into it. There's no way the number one into it. There's no way the number one person at your company is doing it by person at your company is doing it by person at your company is doing it by chance and never thought it would chance and never thought it would chance and never thought it would happen. It's impossible. happen. It's impossible. happen. It's impossible. >> Mhm. A quick aside. 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So, people I wish I had a a clear-cut So, people I wish I had a a clear-cut So, people I wish I had a a clear-cut way and I don't want to lie to people way and I don't want to lie to people way and I don't want to lie to people and tell them here's how you can know and tell them here's how you can know and tell them here's how you can know who's lying. I feel that anyone who does who's lying. I feel that anyone who does who's lying. I feel that anyone who does that is not telling you the truth that is not telling you the truth that is not telling you the truth because people are different, right? because people are different, right? because people are different, right? We're all different. But all of us have We're all different. But all of us have We're all different. But all of us have kind of guiding principles that if you kind of guiding principles that if you kind of guiding principles that if you observe people, you can tell when observe people, you can tell when observe people, you can tell when something's different. Benchmarks. The something's different. Benchmarks. The something's different. Benchmarks. The same way that you can watch the stock same way that you can watch the stock same way that you can watch the stock market and you see is it doing better or market and you see is it doing better or market and you see is it doing better or worse? And that's how you could judge worse? And that's how you could judge worse? And that's how you could judge your financial adviser. How did you do your financial adviser. How did you do your financial adviser. How did you do against the S&P last year? Right? Oh, we against the S&P last year? Right? Oh, we against the S&P last year? Right? Oh, we had a great year. How did the S&P do? had a great year. How did the S&P do? had a great year. How did the S&P do? You got 13%. That was 15%. You're not You got 13%. That was 15%. You're not You got 13%. That was 15%. You're not better. So people to observe them when better. So people to observe them when better. So people to observe them when they're deceptive. Most people add more they're deceptive. Most people add more they're deceptive. Most people add more details when they lie. They add more details when they lie. They add more details when they lie. They add more details to a story. Oh, you know, I I details to a story. Oh, you know, I I details to a story. Oh, you know, I I want to come but my daughter's this and want to come but my daughter's this and want to come but my daughter's this and that. [ __ ] right? Like as soon as that. [ __ ] right? Like as soon as that. [ __ ] right? Like as soon as you start adding in more, you're feeling you start adding in more, you're feeling you start adding in more, you're feeling the need to prove beyond. When people the need to prove beyond. When people the need to prove beyond. When people tend to be cut and dry and say, "I'm tend to be cut and dry and say, "I'm tend to be cut and dry and say, "I'm really sorry. I can't make it." Boom. really sorry. I can't make it." Boom. really sorry. I can't make it." Boom. That tends to be true. That tends to be true. That tends to be true. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> not always, but more often than not. >> not always, but more often than not. >> not always, but more often than not. Now, there are cases where certain Now, there are cases where certain Now, there are cases where certain people are are are tight on words. people are are are tight on words. people are are are tight on words. They're not very careless. So, somebody They're not very careless. So, somebody They're not very careless. So, somebody who might say, "I can't make it." might who might say, "I can't make it." might who might say, "I can't make it." might be lying to you. Is that different than be lying to you. Is that different than be lying to you. Is that different than how they normally talk, check their how they normally talk, check their how they normally talk, check their cadence. I believe that AI in the very cadence. I believe that AI in the very cadence. I believe that AI in the very near future will become incredibly good near future will become incredibly good near future will become incredibly good at detecting deception because if you at detecting deception because if you at detecting deception because if you can watch somebody when they lie, watch can watch somebody when they lie, watch can watch somebody when they lie, watch somebody when they tell the truth, watch somebody when they tell the truth, watch somebody when they tell the truth, watch both of those with several examples. I'm both of those with several examples. I'm both of those with several examples. I'm surprised they're not doing it already surprised they're not doing it already surprised they're not doing it already to be honest, is that you can now view to be honest, is that you can now view to be honest, is that you can now view the difference purely by objective the difference purely by objective the difference purely by objective measures of how much time between their measures of how much time between their measures of how much time between their words when they then speed up. Right? words when they then speed up. Right? words when they then speed up. Right? All of those things that are very hard All of those things that are very hard All of those things that are very hard to control, your body does it the same to control, your body does it the same to control, your body does it the same way your heart rate goes up. If you had way your heart rate goes up. If you had way your heart rate goes up. If you had a bender last night, your body doesn't a bender last night, your body doesn't a bender last night, your body doesn't lie. You can't control the fact that if lie. You can't control the fact that if lie. You can't control the fact that if you go for a workout and you're in zone you go for a workout and you're in zone you go for a workout and you're in zone three the whole time when normally you'd three the whole time when normally you'd three the whole time when normally you'd be zone two heart rate, oh man, my be zone two heart rate, oh man, my be zone two heart rate, oh man, my body's working harder than normal. So, I body's working harder than normal. So, I body's working harder than normal. So, I think that catching people in lies is think that catching people in lies is think that catching people in lies is much easier than people expect. I do it much easier than people expect. I do it much easier than people expect. I do it in a very hyperfocused way for my show, in a very hyperfocused way for my show, in a very hyperfocused way for my show, which is at the end of the day one out which is at the end of the day one out which is at the end of the day one out of 52 cards in this case. Or pick a of 52 cards in this case. Or pick a of 52 cards in this case. Or pick a name. Think of the first letter. You'll name. Think of the first letter. You'll name. Think of the first letter. You'll be like, "That's impossible." What was be like, "That's impossible." What was be like, "That's impossible." What was 26 letters? Also, nobody's name starts 26 letters? Also, nobody's name starts 26 letters? Also, nobody's name starts with Q, X, or Z almost ever. So, we can with Q, X, or Z almost ever. So, we can with Q, X, or Z almost ever. So, we can throw out those three, right? I have a throw out those three, right? I have a throw out those three, right? I have a skill that looks impossible, but that skill that looks impossible, but that skill that looks impossible, but that I've been studying for 30 years. Hence, I've been studying for 30 years. Hence, I've been studying for 30 years. Hence, there's kind of tactics I use. there's kind of tactics I use. there's kind of tactics I use. >> Yeah. I uh I think it's an interesting >> Yeah. I uh I think it's an interesting >> Yeah. I uh I think it's an interesting one to think about what AI is able to do one to think about what AI is able to do one to think about what AI is able to do to detect that because you've already to detect that because you've already to detect that because you've already got it with the baseline metrics of a uh got it with the baseline metrics of a uh got it with the baseline metrics of a uh polygraph, polygraph, polygraph, >> right? Which is not those are not 100%. >> right? Which is not those are not 100%. >> right? Which is not those are not 100%. At all. At all. At all. >> You think that the verbal and visual >> You think that the verbal and visual >> You think that the verbal and visual cues of someone's speech pattern cadence cues of someone's speech pattern cadence cues of someone's speech pattern cadence observing their face would be more observing their face would be more observing their face would be more accurate than a polygraph if you had a accurate than a polygraph if you had a accurate than a polygraph if you had a >> very soon. Yes, I think so. I think that >> very soon. Yes, I think so. I think that >> very soon. Yes, I think so. I think that in in conjunction with the polygraph, in in conjunction with the polygraph, in in conjunction with the polygraph, but we're not going to be able to but we're not going to be able to but we're not going to be able to polygraph people very often. polygraph people very often. polygraph people very often. >> Yeah. Just on the street. >> Yeah. Just on the street. >> Yeah. Just on the street. >> It's a hole to do. Have you ever been >> It's a hole to do. Have you ever been >> It's a hole to do. Have you ever been polygraphed? polygraphed? polygraphed? >> No. Have you? >> No. Have you? >> No. Have you? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How were you able to beat it? >> How were you able to beat it? >> How were you able to beat it? >> So, I can't tell you if I was able to >> So, I can't tell you if I was able to >> So, I can't tell you if I was able to beat it. I was actually on a TV game beat it. I was actually on a TV game beat it. I was actually on a TV game show. [laughter] show. [laughter] show. [laughter] >> Okay. Which side were you one of the >> Okay. Which side were you one of the >> Okay. Which side were you one of the contestants or contestants or contestants or >> contestants? Okay. >> contestants? Okay. >> contestants? Okay. >> Yeah. And so, I don't know if I could >> Yeah. And so, I don't know if I could >> Yeah. And so, I don't know if I could tell you because the only way to know if tell you because the only way to know if tell you because the only way to know if you beat it is you'd have to have access you beat it is you'd have to have access you beat it is you'd have to have access to the results and we'd have to sit to the results and we'd have to sit to the results and we'd have to sit there and do it together, which I that's there and do it together, which I that's there and do it together, which I that's actually a pretty good idea for a show, actually a pretty good idea for a show, actually a pretty good idea for a show, but I'm assuming but I'm assuming but I'm assuming >> to see who the best deceiver is. Sure. >> to see who the best deceiver is. Sure. >> to see who the best deceiver is. Sure. >> That would be sick. >> That would be sick. >> That would be sick. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Politicians. >> Politicians. >> Politicians. >> What about you mentioned you mentioned >> What about you mentioned you mentioned >> What about you mentioned you mentioned sales. You mentioned sales there. What sales. You mentioned sales there. What sales. You mentioned sales there. What are what are some of the ways that you are what are some of the ways that you are what are some of the ways that you teach people to become better sales teach people to become better sales teach people to become better sales people, more confident as they step into people, more confident as they step into people, more confident as they step into a room where they're nervous, more a room where they're nervous, more a room where they're nervous, more commanding and likable. commanding and likable. commanding and likable. >> Being vulnerable is a huge one. So, if >> Being vulnerable is a huge one. So, if >> Being vulnerable is a huge one. So, if if you feel nervous, just saying that, if you feel nervous, just saying that, if you feel nervous, just saying that, just allowing people into your head and just allowing people into your head and just allowing people into your head and saying, "Hey, I've never done this saying, "Hey, I've never done this saying, "Hey, I've never done this before. I'm actually quite nervous right before. I'm actually quite nervous right before. I'm actually quite nervous right now, but you seem like a great person. now, but you seem like a great person. now, but you seem like a great person. And I just want to tell you more about And I just want to tell you more about And I just want to tell you more about what I'm like. Just anything that opens what I'm like. Just anything that opens what I'm like. Just anything that opens you up that allows you to be human. you up that allows you to be human. you up that allows you to be human. People hate fakeness. I don't if you People hate fakeness. I don't if you People hate fakeness. I don't if you have somebody who's a great salesperson, have somebody who's a great salesperson, have somebody who's a great salesperson, but they feel fake to you. Hey, I got to but they feel fake to you. Hey, I got to but they feel fake to you. Hey, I got to tell you, you just see that's not you. I tell you, you just see that's not you. I tell you, you just see that's not you. I can instantly detect deception that can instantly detect deception that can instantly detect deception that that's not really you right now. And you that's not really you right now. And you that's not really you right now. And you can detect it in a performer. You can can detect it in a performer. You can can detect it in a performer. You can detect in a politician. You can detect detect in a politician. You can detect detect in a politician. You can detect it in people very clearly. There's a it in people very clearly. There's a it in people very clearly. There's a spider sense we have that we can't spider sense we have that we can't spider sense we have that we can't explain. But right now, if somebody was explain. But right now, if somebody was explain. But right now, if somebody was in the room that I didn't know watching in the room that I didn't know watching in the room that I didn't know watching me behind my back, right, that wasn't me behind my back, right, that wasn't me behind my back, right, that wasn't here. I could feel it. Do Do you know here. I could feel it. Do Do you know here. I could feel it. Do Do you know what I mean? I don't know if it's sonar. what I mean? I don't know if it's sonar. what I mean? I don't know if it's sonar. I don't know where it comes from, but I don't know where it comes from, but I don't know where it comes from, but there's some way that you can sense a there's some way that you can sense a there's some way that you can sense a presence near you. And I'm not talking presence near you. And I'm not talking presence near you. And I'm not talking about ghosts. I'm just mean you can feel about ghosts. I'm just mean you can feel about ghosts. I'm just mean you can feel someone next to you. Situational someone next to you. Situational someone next to you. Situational awareness. awareness. awareness. >> I think there's something similar to >> I think there's something similar to >> I think there's something similar to that where you can detect authenticity. that where you can detect authenticity. that where you can detect authenticity. And for me, if you watch my show and you And for me, if you watch my show and you And for me, if you watch my show and you meet me in real life, I'm the same meet me in real life, I'm the same meet me in real life, I'm the same person. I'm just slightly exaggerated. A person. I'm just slightly exaggerated. A person. I'm just slightly exaggerated. A lot of other people that do what I do lot of other people that do what I do lot of other people that do what I do aren't the same person when you meet aren't the same person when you meet aren't the same person when you meet them. Offstage, they're not the same. them. Offstage, they're not the same. them. Offstage, they're not the same. Comedians especially are not the same Comedians especially are not the same Comedians especially are not the same people. Actors and actresses day and people. Actors and actresses day and people. Actors and actresses day and night night night >> by design. >> by design. >> by design. >> Well, by design, but also it's shocking >> Well, by design, but also it's shocking >> Well, by design, but also it's shocking when you meet some people and you're when you meet some people and you're when you meet some people and you're like, "Oh, you're so different than what like, "Oh, you're so different than what like, "Oh, you're so different than what I expected." It's kind of a cool thing. I expected." It's kind of a cool thing. I expected." It's kind of a cool thing. You've probably met a lot of famous You've probably met a lot of famous You've probably met a lot of famous people, but you're you're just not at people, but you're you're just not at people, but you're you're just not at all the person I thought you would be. all the person I thought you would be. all the person I thought you would be. So, right away, I think vulnerability is So, right away, I think vulnerability is So, right away, I think vulnerability is a huge one. Being able to open up to a huge one. Being able to open up to a huge one. Being able to open up to somebody at a moment's notice and being somebody at a moment's notice and being somebody at a moment's notice and being real with them. Another one is know what real with them. Another one is know what real with them. Another one is know what resistance is going to occur. I call it resistance is going to occur. I call it resistance is going to occur. I call it channel your inner mentalist. Try to channel your inner mentalist. Try to channel your inner mentalist. Try to think like they think. Stop thinking think like they think. Stop thinking think like they think. Stop thinking like you. Most of us don't think in like you. Most of us don't think in like you. Most of us don't think in terms of benefitsoriented language. I I terms of benefitsoriented language. I I terms of benefitsoriented language. I I somehow learned this very young which is somehow learned this very young which is somehow learned this very young which is if I go up to a restaurant cuz my hustle if I go up to a restaurant cuz my hustle if I go up to a restaurant cuz my hustle when I was 14 years old, I started doing when I was 14 years old, I started doing when I was 14 years old, I started doing magic tricks and I need to buy more magic tricks and I need to buy more magic tricks and I need to buy more magic tricks was I went to restaurants magic tricks was I went to restaurants magic tricks was I went to restaurants and I would get a job being a strolling and I would get a job being a strolling and I would get a job being a strolling magician at the restaurant. And I real magician at the restaurant. And I real magician at the restaurant. And I real at 14 I started I was 13 but at 14 I at 14 I started I was 13 but at 14 I at 14 I started I was 13 but at 14 I need to make money. My folks had gotten need to make money. My folks had gotten need to make money. My folks had gotten divorced kind of really messy and I we divorced kind of really messy and I we divorced kind of really messy and I we had no money so like I had no disposable had no money so like I had no disposable had no money so like I had no disposable income to be like give me an allowance income to be like give me an allowance income to be like give me an allowance to buy this. So for me to keep doing to buy this. So for me to keep doing to buy this. So for me to keep doing more tricks which I loved I needed to go more tricks which I loved I needed to go more tricks which I loved I needed to go work. My mom was like go work and so work. My mom was like go work and so work. My mom was like go work and so there was another restaurant magician there was another restaurant magician there was another restaurant magician somewhere else in the city. So I knew somewhere else in the city. So I knew somewhere else in the city. So I knew that was something you could do and get that was something you could do and get that was something you could do and get tips and get parties and print business tips and get parties and print business tips and get parties and print business cards. But I realized if I go in the cards. But I realized if I go in the cards. But I realized if I go in the restaurant and just show them tricks, restaurant and just show them tricks, restaurant and just show them tricks, what makes me special? They don't care what makes me special? They don't care what makes me special? They don't care about that. They really they they might about that. They really they they might about that. They really they they might be cool, but so what? What they care be cool, but so what? What they care be cool, but so what? What they care about is we have a line of people about is we have a line of people about is we have a line of people waiting to get seats. They're a little waiting to get seats. They're a little waiting to get seats. They're a little annoyed. They're on edge. Go entertain annoyed. They're on edge. Go entertain annoyed. They're on edge. Go entertain them while they're waiting. Someone just them while they're waiting. Someone just them while they're waiting. Someone just had to send back a steak. It was had to send back a steak. It was had to send back a steak. It was overcooked. You know what? Go sweeten overcooked. You know what? Go sweeten overcooked. You know what? Go sweeten the deal. Go make them happy because the the deal. Go make them happy because the the deal. Go make them happy because the next 10-15 minutes while everyone else next 10-15 minutes while everyone else next 10-15 minutes while everyone else is eating, they're kind of low-level is eating, they're kind of low-level is eating, they're kind of low-level pissed off. Now we have this little, you pissed off. Now we have this little, you pissed off. Now we have this little, you know, song and dance boy. Head on over. know, song and dance boy. Head on over. know, song and dance boy. Head on over. And so I realized that the language I And so I realized that the language I And so I realized that the language I could use for them wasn't they're going could use for them wasn't they're going could use for them wasn't they're going to be amazed. They don't care about to be amazed. They don't care about to be amazed. They don't care about amazed. Every single person that leaves amazed. Every single person that leaves amazed. Every single person that leaves this restaurant today is going to walk this restaurant today is going to walk this restaurant today is going to walk up to you and say what a great time they up to you and say what a great time they up to you and say what a great time they had and how they're going to come back had and how they're going to come back had and how they're going to come back again with friends. Boom. That's what again with friends. Boom. That's what again with friends. Boom. That's what they want to hear. The manager wants to they want to hear. The manager wants to they want to hear. The manager wants to hear about sales, not about how good my hear about sales, not about how good my hear about sales, not about how good my tricks are. So the more you can position tricks are. So the more you can position tricks are. So the more you can position yourself as a value ad to the people yourself as a value ad to the people yourself as a value ad to the people around you and what's important to them, around you and what's important to them, around you and what's important to them, right? That's what's going to open right? That's what's going to open right? That's what's going to open doors. That's what opened doors for me. doors. That's what opened doors for me. doors. That's what opened doors for me. >> I had Will Guidara on >> I had Will Guidara on >> I had Will Guidara on >> Oh, yeah. I saw his book. So funny. >> Oh, yeah. I saw his book. So funny. >> Oh, yeah. I saw his book. So funny. >> It's everywhere. >> It's everywhere. >> It's everywhere. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's crushed it. So, uh, 11 >> Yeah. Yeah. He's crushed it. So, uh, 11 >> Yeah. Yeah. He's crushed it. So, uh, 11 Park A, of course, with the number one Park A, of course, with the number one Park A, of course, with the number one restaurant in the world for a while. restaurant in the world for a while. restaurant in the world for a while. >> 11 Madison. >> 11 Madison. >> 11 Madison. >> 11. >> 11. >> 11. >> Is it 11 Madison? Yeah, I think so. >> Is it 11 Madison? Yeah, I think so. >> Is it 11 Madison? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Um, anyway, he said, uh, he was Okay. Um, anyway, he said, uh, he was Okay. Um, anyway, he said, uh, he was telling me this some of the crazy stuff telling me this some of the crazy stuff telling me this some of the crazy stuff that he'd done. Uh, one of them was a that he'd done. Uh, one of them was a that he'd done. Uh, one of them was a couple had couple had couple had supposedly got married that day and the supposedly got married that day and the supposedly got married that day and the wedding party was such a catastrophe wedding party was such a catastrophe wedding party was such a catastrophe that they weren't able to have the that they weren't able to have the that they weren't able to have the reception. They'd done the marriage reception. They'd done the marriage reception. They'd done the marriage thing, but two families bickering, thing, but two families bickering, thing, but two families bickering, backbiting, power games, all the rest of backbiting, power games, all the rest of backbiting, power games, all the rest of it. And they had gone for dinner at this it. And they had gone for dinner at this it. And they had gone for dinner at this place. They' booked the dinner for that place. They' booked the dinner for that place. They' booked the dinner for that evening. So, one of the staff made it evening. So, one of the staff made it evening. So, one of the staff made it her job to work out, they didn't have a her job to work out, they didn't have a her job to work out, they didn't have a first dance. Made it her job to work out first dance. Made it her job to work out first dance. Made it her job to work out what the first dance song would be and what the first dance song would be and what the first dance song would be and they slowed the service for this couple they slowed the service for this couple they slowed the service for this couple a little bit. So, they were the only by a little bit. So, they were the only by a little bit. So, they were the only by the end of the evening, they were the the end of the evening, they were the the end of the evening, they were the only people left in the entire only people left in the entire only people left in the entire restaurant. And I think there's two restaurant. And I think there's two restaurant. And I think there's two floors to it. And once they'd finished floors to it. And once they'd finished floors to it. And once they'd finished up, they said, "Oh, you just head up, they said, "Oh, you just head up, they said, "Oh, you just head upstairs. We've got we we've got to upstairs. We've got we we've got to upstairs. We've got we we've got to thank you for you for they go into the thank you for you for they go into the thank you for you for they go into the elevator and they go up and as they walk elevator and they go up and as they walk elevator and they go up and as they walk out they played the first song that they out they played the first song that they out they played the first song that they would have had at their wedding and all would have had at their wedding and all would have had at their wedding and all of the staff had left slowly. All of the of the staff had left slowly. All of the of the staff had left slowly. All of the different serving staff had left. They different serving staff had left. They different serving staff had left. They thought you know we're kind of left thought you know we're kind of left thought you know we're kind of left here. We were the last people here. They here. We were the last people here. They here. We were the last people here. They were going upstairs so they were were going upstairs so they were were going upstairs so they were welcomed for their first dance. Wow. welcomed for their first dance. Wow. welcomed for their first dance. Wow. >> With the song and they they've never >> With the song and they they've never >> With the song and they they've never that what an unbelievable way to reverse that what an unbelievable way to reverse that what an unbelievable way to reverse like even cooler story maybe than having like even cooler story maybe than having like even cooler story maybe than having the reception that you would have had the reception that you would have had the reception that you would have had >> and uh yeah that it is very much what's >> and uh yeah that it is very much what's >> and uh yeah that it is very much what's the emotionality how much can you sort the emotionality how much can you sort the emotionality how much can you sort of penetrate somebody with that like not of penetrate somebody with that like not of penetrate somebody with that like not just he was able to guess the cards but just he was able to guess the cards but just he was able to guess the cards but the cards were also something special to the cards were also something special to the cards were also something special to me. It makes it about this person. me. It makes it about this person. me. It makes it about this person. That's that's the challenge in life, That's that's the challenge in life, That's that's the challenge in life, right? Is to connect with other people right? Is to connect with other people right? Is to connect with other people because I realize other people are going because I realize other people are going because I realize other people are going to be the ones who open your door. Your to be the ones who open your door. Your to be the ones who open your door. Your network and who you are is is a huge network and who you are is is a huge network and who you are is is a huge factor of your success and happiness, factor of your success and happiness, factor of your success and happiness, right? As you get older, you watch so right? As you get older, you watch so right? As you get older, you watch so much more. I heard your Tristan Harris much more. I heard your Tristan Harris much more. I heard your Tristan Harris we were talking about earlier where he we were talking about earlier where he we were talking about earlier where he talks about how much lonier people are talks about how much lonier people are talks about how much lonier people are now because you don't engage people in now because you don't engage people in now because you don't engage people in real life anymore. It's all screens and real life anymore. It's all screens and real life anymore. It's all screens and text. And it's so true. It's it's text. And it's so true. It's it's text. And it's so true. It's it's prevalent for me. It's probably the same prevalent for me. It's probably the same prevalent for me. It's probably the same as for you. I don't know how it is for as for you. I don't know how it is for as for you. I don't know how it is for you, but I just I between family, you, but I just I between family, you, but I just I between family, between work, there's just not as much between work, there's just not as much between work, there's just not as much time. And especially if you're ambitious time. And especially if you're ambitious time. And especially if you're ambitious and driven, I have definitely traded and driven, I have definitely traded and driven, I have definitely traded career over friendships at various career over friendships at various career over friendships at various stages where I can't be at this big stages where I can't be at this big stages where I can't be at this big event. I can't be at this boy's trip. I event. I can't be at this boy's trip. I event. I can't be at this boy's trip. I just it's impossible. I travel too much just it's impossible. I travel too much just it's impossible. I travel too much for work. M for work. M for work. M >> so when you have that drive and not >> so when you have that drive and not >> so when you have that drive and not everyone has that same thing but at a everyone has that same thing but at a everyone has that same thing but at a certain point I I I think that certain point I I I think that certain point I I I think that connecting with people around you and connecting with people around you and connecting with people around you and either forming very strong relationships either forming very strong relationships either forming very strong relationships or bonds that go past like give and take or bonds that go past like give and take or bonds that go past like give and take relationships are a huge one for me relationships are a huge one for me relationships are a huge one for me where I feel that as I get older the where I feel that as I get older the where I feel that as I get older the people around me that are just taking I people around me that are just taking I people around me that are just taking I don't like that relationship I try to don't like that relationship I try to don't like that relationship I try to find ones where you're able to keep find ones where you're able to keep find ones where you're able to keep giving giving giving until the point giving giving giving until the point giving giving giving until the point where you have to take and somebody where you have to take and somebody where you have to take and somebody wants to give at that does that make wants to give at that does that make wants to give at that does that make sense I'm trying I'm saying in a in a sense I'm trying I'm saying in a in a sense I'm trying I'm saying in a in a poor way but the People that have stuck poor way but the People that have stuck poor way but the People that have stuck around the longest for me are ones where around the longest for me are ones where around the longest for me are ones where it's a back and forth. It's a constant it's a back and forth. It's a constant it's a back and forth. It's a constant back and forth and it's not always just back and forth and it's not always just back and forth and it's not always just take take take. take take take. take take take. >> Yeah. What about confidence? A lot of >> Yeah. What about confidence? A lot of >> Yeah. What about confidence? A lot of the time people step into a room, the time people step into a room, the time people step into a room, they're nervous, they are about to do they're nervous, they are about to do they're nervous, they are about to do some big presentation or some pitch. I some big presentation or some pitch. I some big presentation or some pitch. I understand that likability can come from understand that likability can come from understand that likability can come from vulnerability. I think that's a a cool vulnerability. I think that's a a cool vulnerability. I think that's a a cool way to connect and also to kind of way to connect and also to kind of way to connect and also to kind of >> stop the additional level of pressure >> stop the additional level of pressure >> stop the additional level of pressure and shame that you feel about having and shame that you feel about having and shame that you feel about having this hidden thing. you have this secret this hidden thing. you have this secret this hidden thing. you have this secret that you're hiding from someone which is that you're hiding from someone which is that you're hiding from someone which is that I do feel nervous or whatever but that I do feel nervous or whatever but that I do feel nervous or whatever but how about getting over the nervousness how about getting over the nervousness how about getting over the nervousness feeling more confident feeling more more feeling more confident feeling more more feeling more confident feeling more more uh compelling and prepared when you step uh compelling and prepared when you step uh compelling and prepared when you step in in in >> confidence is a funny one because once >> confidence is a funny one because once >> confidence is a funny one because once you become confident you ask yourself you become confident you ask yourself you become confident you ask yourself why wasn't I confident 5 10 20 years ago why wasn't I confident 5 10 20 years ago why wasn't I confident 5 10 20 years ago right experience leads to it how do you right experience leads to it how do you right experience leads to it how do you fast track it fast track it fast track it >> so I had a kind of a paradigm shift when >> so I had a kind of a paradigm shift when >> so I had a kind of a paradigm shift when I was young when I was about 14 which is I was young when I was about 14 which is I was young when I was about 14 which is I would go up to restaurants I would go I would go up to restaurants I would go I would go up to restaurants I would go to the restaurants I would be going up to the restaurants I would be going up to the restaurants I would be going up to somebody at a point where they don't to somebody at a point where they don't to somebody at a point where they don't want me at all to walk up to them. It's want me at all to walk up to them. It's want me at all to walk up to them. It's kind of like a telemarketer call. kind of like a telemarketer call. kind of like a telemarketer call. >> I'm 14 years old. I walk up to your >> I'm 14 years old. I walk up to your >> I'm 14 years old. I walk up to your table. Exactly. Exactly. You're So, table. Exactly. Exactly. You're So, table. Exactly. Exactly. You're So, right away, I started to understand that right away, I started to understand that right away, I started to understand that when I walk up to you, when I walk up to you, when I walk up to you, >> if if they don't like me or they don't >> if if they don't like me or they don't >> if if they don't like me or they don't like what my trick or anything about the like what my trick or anything about the like what my trick or anything about the approach went wrong, it's just negative. approach went wrong, it's just negative. approach went wrong, it's just negative. Some people wouldn't be that kind. Some people wouldn't be that kind. Some people wouldn't be that kind. They'd be apathetic. Even worse than They'd be apathetic. Even worse than They'd be apathetic. Even worse than telling you, uh, get away is to just sit telling you, uh, get away is to just sit telling you, uh, get away is to just sit there and not pay attention and look at there and not pay attention and look at there and not pay attention and look at you awkwardly, which is just brutal. you awkwardly, which is just brutal. you awkwardly, which is just brutal. Just brutal. Just brutal. Just brutal. >> And so, here's what happened. That same >> And so, here's what happened. That same >> And so, here's what happened. That same thing you talk about confidence. I would thing you talk about confidence. I would thing you talk about confidence. I would leave the table furious. I would feel leave the table furious. I would feel leave the table furious. I would feel terrible. I if that happened at two or terrible. I if that happened at two or terrible. I if that happened at two or three tables in a row, it would three tables in a row, it would three tables in a row, it would compound. And by the time I got to the compound. And by the time I got to the compound. And by the time I got to the fourth table, even if they were nice to fourth table, even if they were nice to fourth table, even if they were nice to me, I kind of hated them. me, I kind of hated them. me, I kind of hated them. >> Like a comedian chasing the audience, >> Like a comedian chasing the audience, >> Like a comedian chasing the audience, >> but I had low-level rage. And I >> but I had low-level rage. And I >> but I had low-level rage. And I realized, but truly, I can't I can't realized, but truly, I can't I can't realized, but truly, I can't I can't allow you that power over me. I had this allow you that power over me. I had this allow you that power over me. I had this real and here's why. It was selfish real and here's why. It was selfish real and here's why. It was selfish because I go, if I can't keep doing because I go, if I can't keep doing because I go, if I can't keep doing this, I'm not going to be able to buy this, I'm not going to be able to buy this, I'm not going to be able to buy more tricks. It was it was very A to B, more tricks. It was it was very A to B, more tricks. It was it was very A to B, very linear. And I go, if I can't buy very linear. And I go, if I can't buy very linear. And I go, if I can't buy more tricks, how am I going to get more tricks, how am I going to get more tricks, how am I going to get better at this thing? So, I said, I have better at this thing? So, I said, I have better at this thing? So, I said, I have to find a way around this. It was a do to find a way around this. It was a do to find a way around this. It was a do or die in my mind of I can't allow the or die in my mind of I can't allow the or die in my mind of I can't allow the audience or in anybody else's case, the audience or in anybody else's case, the audience or in anybody else's case, the people around me to dictate my people around me to dictate my people around me to dictate my self-worth and my confidence. And what I self-worth and my confidence. And what I self-worth and my confidence. And what I did was almost a weird schizophrenic did was almost a weird schizophrenic did was almost a weird schizophrenic multiple personality thing. I decided multiple personality thing. I decided multiple personality thing. I decided that I was almost two people. And in my that I was almost two people. And in my that I was almost two people. And in my brain, I created this like split where I brain, I created this like split where I brain, I created this like split where I said, "They don't actually know me. The said, "They don't actually know me. The said, "They don't actually know me. The people that were just not nice to me, people that were just not nice to me, people that were just not nice to me, they don't know me. Oes Pearlman. They they don't know me. Oes Pearlman. They they don't know me. Oes Pearlman. They met Oes the magician. And I thought the met Oes the magician. And I thought the met Oes the magician. And I thought the same way that a movie star has an agent, same way that a movie star has an agent, same way that a movie star has an agent, the agent handles the negotiations for the agent handles the negotiations for the agent handles the negotiations for contracts, right? You don't go to Brad contracts, right? You don't go to Brad contracts, right? You don't go to Brad Pitt and say, "You can't have this Pitt and say, "You can't have this Pitt and say, "You can't have this trailer. I'm not paying you $18 million. trailer. I'm not paying you $18 million. trailer. I'm not paying you $18 million. You get 60 million." He has somebody who You get 60 million." He has somebody who You get 60 million." He has somebody who does that for him, who doesn't who deals does that for him, who doesn't who deals does that for him, who doesn't who deals with the dirty work. Now, most of us in with the dirty work. Now, most of us in with the dirty work. Now, most of us in life don't have agents. So, I decided life don't have agents. So, I decided life don't have agents. So, I decided that I now have an agent in my mind. And that I now have an agent in my mind. And that I now have an agent in my mind. And when I walk up to you, if you don't like when I walk up to you, if you don't like when I walk up to you, if you don't like me and you were asking me, I don't care me and you were asking me, I don't care me and you were asking me, I don't care at all. The agent handled that. That at all. The agent handled that. That at all. The agent handled that. That wasn't me. I didn't take it personal wasn't me. I didn't take it personal wasn't me. I didn't take it personal anymore. And I know that sounds easier anymore. And I know that sounds easier anymore. And I know that sounds easier to to to say than to do, but I truly to to to say than to do, but I truly to to to say than to do, but I truly somehow disconnected the pain associated somehow disconnected the pain associated somehow disconnected the pain associated with rejection, which is really what it with rejection, which is really what it with rejection, which is really what it is for most people, the pain and fear of is for most people, the pain and fear of is for most people, the pain and fear of rejection, and decided to put that on rejection, and decided to put that on rejection, and decided to put that on someone else who wasn't my core psyche. someone else who wasn't my core psyche. someone else who wasn't my core psyche. The best way I can liken it as a visual The best way I can liken it as a visual The best way I can liken it as a visual metaphor is if you have a bowl of water metaphor is if you have a bowl of water metaphor is if you have a bowl of water and if I take salt and I pour salt in and if I take salt and I pour salt in and if I take salt and I pour salt in the water, that water once you stir it the water, that water once you stir it the water, that water once you stir it is salt water. There's nothing you can is salt water. There's nothing you can is salt water. There's nothing you can do about it. But if you could somehow do about it. But if you could somehow do about it. But if you could somehow find a way to insert a piece of find a way to insert a piece of find a way to insert a piece of plexiglass in the middle, it's plexiglass in the middle, it's plexiglass in the middle, it's invisible. And I poured salt into only invisible. And I poured salt into only invisible. And I poured salt into only one side. This other side stays fine. one side. This other side stays fine. one side. This other side stays fine. So, I did this as a survival tactic at a So, I did this as a survival tactic at a So, I did this as a survival tactic at a young age because otherwise I don't young age because otherwise I don't young age because otherwise I don't think I could have made it through think I could have made it through think I could have made it through continuing to do this job because the continuing to do this job because the continuing to do this job because the rejection is so is so pronounced when rejection is so is so pronounced when rejection is so is so pronounced when somebody just dislikes you. It's the somebody just dislikes you. It's the somebody just dislikes you. It's the same as romantic rejection. I had same as romantic rejection. I had same as romantic rejection. I had trouble with that as a teenager that I trouble with that as a teenager that I trouble with that as a teenager that I wish I had that agent in my mind. I'm wish I had that agent in my mind. I'm wish I had that agent in my mind. I'm like, "No, it wasn't the trick. She like, "No, it wasn't the trick. She like, "No, it wasn't the trick. She didn't like me." didn't like me." didn't like me." >> You weren't able to apply the agent >> You weren't able to apply the agent >> You weren't able to apply the agent model to the romantic. model to the romantic. model to the romantic. >> No, because like I didn't have anything. >> No, because like I didn't have anything. >> No, because like I didn't have anything. There was no buffer. I'm like, "She just There was no buffer. I'm like, "She just There was no buffer. I'm like, "She just doesn't like me. Damn it. I don't know doesn't like me. Damn it. I don't know doesn't like me. Damn it. I don't know what to do. I can't get any taller. Yes, what to do. I can't get any taller. Yes, what to do. I can't get any taller. Yes, I have shoes that are thick, but I don't I have shoes that are thick, but I don't I have shoes that are thick, but I don't know what else to do. But if you can know what else to do. But if you can know what else to do. But if you can find a way to do that, so when you go find a way to do that, so when you go find a way to do that, so when you go into that presentation, be prepared. into that presentation, be prepared. into that presentation, be prepared. There's no such thing as getting in There's no such thing as getting in There's no such thing as getting in there being unprepared and saying, "Oh, there being unprepared and saying, "Oh, there being unprepared and saying, "Oh, that's my agent. That's you who screwed that's my agent. That's you who screwed that's my agent. That's you who screwed up." So, be prepared. Do your homework. up." So, be prepared. Do your homework. up." So, be prepared. 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There's It's funny because >> god damn it, dude. [laughter] >> god damn it, dude. [laughter] >> god damn it, dude. [laughter] >> I think that that's funny because it's >> I think that that's funny because it's >> I think that that's funny because it's it's almost like the chef who goes home, it's almost like the chef who goes home, it's almost like the chef who goes home, you know, and it's like, you know, you know, and it's like, you know, you know, and it's like, you know, exactly. It's ramen. So figure that one exactly. It's ramen. So figure that one exactly. It's ramen. So figure that one out. Three Michelin stars, best out. Three Michelin stars, best out. Three Michelin stars, best restaurant in the world, hitting up restaurant in the world, hitting up restaurant in the world, hitting up Shake Shack afterwards. But I think that Shake Shack afterwards. But I think that Shake Shack afterwards. But I think that I'm I'm very astute at being manipulated I'm I'm very astute at being manipulated I'm I'm very astute at being manipulated in certain parts of my life versus like in certain parts of my life versus like in certain parts of my life versus like my kids can manipulate me like crazy. my kids can manipulate me like crazy. my kids can manipulate me like crazy. That love gene will will like mom said That love gene will will like mom said That love gene will will like mom said you could do that. Like did she though? you could do that. Like did she though? you could do that. Like did she though? Did she? Like full manipulation. Did she? Like full manipulation. Did she? Like full manipulation. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Like my son, this is so funny. He's in >> Like my son, this is so funny. He's in >> Like my son, this is so funny. He's in like a after school uh math program like a after school uh math program like a after school uh math program where I know for a fact he's not allowed where I know for a fact he's not allowed where I know for a fact he's not allowed to use a calculator, but he was so damn to use a calculator, but he was so damn to use a calculator, but he was so damn convincing. He's going to love when he convincing. He's going to love when he convincing. He's going to love when he hears this. My my my nine-year-old is hears this. My my my nine-year-old is hears this. My my my nine-year-old is going to love this. And he's like, "No, going to love this. And he's like, "No, going to love this. And he's like, "No, we're allowed because we're going into we're allowed because we're going into we're allowed because we're going into fifth grade." And he goes, "For certain fifth grade." And he goes, "For certain fifth grade." And he goes, "For certain word problems, she told us that we word problems, she told us that we word problems, she told us that we should use a calculator because it should use a calculator because it should use a calculator because it enhances our skills." And I go, "There's enhances our skills." And I go, "There's enhances our skills." And I go, "There's just no way that's true." He's like, just no way that's true." He's like, just no way that's true." He's like, "Email her." And so he was trying to "Email her." And so he was trying to "Email her." And so he was trying to call my bluff. So I call my bluff. So I call my bluff. So I >> He knew that he you weren't going to >> He knew that he you weren't going to >> He knew that he you weren't going to email her. email her. email her. >> I freaking emailed her. Okay. And here's >> I freaking emailed her. Okay. And here's >> I freaking emailed her. Okay. And here's what happened. She writes me back the what happened. She writes me back the what happened. She writes me back the most dismissive email of like, "All of most dismissive email of like, "All of most dismissive email of like, "All of our questions are designed for no our questions are designed for no our questions are designed for no calculator." So no, there's no As if I'm calculator." So no, there's no As if I'm calculator." So no, there's no As if I'm an idiot. Meanwhile, I now get in an idiot. Meanwhile, I now get in an idiot. Meanwhile, I now get in trouble for my wife for how did you trouble for my wife for how did you trouble for my wife for how did you allow him to outwitted by a 9-year-old. allow him to outwitted by a 9-year-old. allow him to outwitted by a 9-year-old. emailed and now he looked at me because emailed and now he looked at me because emailed and now he looked at me because he couldn't believe that he had gotten he couldn't believe that he had gotten he couldn't believe that he had gotten me to email the teacher. So to answer me to email the teacher. So to answer me to email the teacher. So to answer >> So he wins either way. Either gets to >> So he wins either way. Either gets to >> So he wins either way. Either gets to use the calculator or managed to get dad use the calculator or managed to get dad use the calculator or managed to get dad in trouble and look like in trouble and look like in trouble and look like >> triple wins because if he hears this >> triple wins because if he hears this >> triple wins because if he hears this podcast, he's going to be in heaven when podcast, he's going to be in heaven when podcast, he's going to be in heaven when he hears this. he hears this. he hears this. >> So yes, it was full manipulation. I >> So yes, it was full manipulation. I >> So yes, it was full manipulation. I can't lie to you and pretend that I am can't lie to you and pretend that I am can't lie to you and pretend that I am not manipulated either. But again, I not manipulated either. But again, I not manipulated either. But again, I have a hyperspecific focus on what I use have a hyperspecific focus on what I use have a hyperspecific focus on what I use manipulation for. manipulation for. manipulation for. >> I am an honest con man, >> I am an honest con man, >> I am an honest con man, >> if that makes sense. Our contract is not >> if that makes sense. Our contract is not >> if that makes sense. Our contract is not one of I'm going to talk to your dead one of I'm going to talk to your dead one of I'm going to talk to your dead aunt and tell you things and you're aunt and tell you things and you're aunt and tell you things and you're going to pay me money. going to pay me money. going to pay me money. >> I'm providing entertainment and >> I'm providing entertainment and >> I'm providing entertainment and memorable moments in the guise of memorable moments in the guise of memorable moments in the guise of deception. I tell you from the outset deception. I tell you from the outset deception. I tell you from the outset that this is not real. that this is not real. that this is not real. >> I had uh John Lyall on the podcast and >> I had uh John Lyall on the podcast and >> I had uh John Lyall on the podcast and he was looking at uh MK Ultra. he was looking at uh MK Ultra. he was looking at uh MK Ultra. He's great great historian researcher He's great great historian researcher He's great great historian researcher here at University of Texas and he is here at University of Texas and he is here at University of Texas and he is doing original research getting into the doing original research getting into the doing original research getting into the archives seeing all of the notes of the archives seeing all of the notes of the archives seeing all of the notes of the people that were getting the people that were getting the people that were getting the electroshock therapy trying to do the um electroshock therapy trying to do the um electroshock therapy trying to do the um complete reset on people to make them uh complete reset on people to make them uh complete reset on people to make them uh pliable manurian candidate type things pliable manurian candidate type things pliable manurian candidate type things >> on LSD too. >> on LSD too. >> on LSD too. >> Yeah. Well, they were applying a lot of >> Yeah. Well, they were applying a lot of >> Yeah. Well, they were applying a lot of LSD in an attempt to see if that made LSD in an attempt to see if that made LSD in an attempt to see if that made people more pliable, more suggestible, people more pliable, more suggestible, people more pliable, more suggestible, more able to. And there was a Charles more able to. And there was a Charles more able to. And there was a Charles Manson wasn't a part of MK Ultra. He Manson wasn't a part of MK Ultra. He Manson wasn't a part of MK Ultra. He wasn't a part of MK Ultra. However, the wasn't a part of MK Ultra. However, the wasn't a part of MK Ultra. However, the fascinating thing is the story is people fascinating thing is the story is people fascinating thing is the story is people believe Charles Manson was studied in MK believe Charles Manson was studied in MK believe Charles Manson was studied in MK Ultra because Ultra because Ultra because there was some additional skill he had there was some additional skill he had there was some additional skill he had that made him good at leading a cult. that made him good at leading a cult. that made him good at leading a cult. and maybe he'd learned that from the and maybe he'd learned that from the and maybe he'd learned that from the CIA's investigations or there'd been CIA's investigations or there'd been CIA's investigations or there'd been some sort of sharing of information in some sort of sharing of information in some sort of sharing of information in that. That wasn't the case. He wasn't a that. That wasn't the case. He wasn't a that. That wasn't the case. He wasn't a part of it. However, Charles Manson was part of it. However, Charles Manson was part of it. However, Charles Manson was unbelievably good at manipulating people unbelievably good at manipulating people unbelievably good at manipulating people and getting them to become suggestible. and getting them to become suggestible. and getting them to become suggestible. So, he didn't learn anything from the So, he didn't learn anything from the So, he didn't learn anything from the CIA, but John's line was the CIA could CIA, but John's line was the CIA could CIA, but John's line was the CIA could have learned a lot from him, have learned a lot from him, have learned a lot from him, >> right, >> right, >> right, >> if they'd gone to cult leaders. Uh Danny >> if they'd gone to cult leaders. Uh Danny >> if they'd gone to cult leaders. Uh Danny Treyo, do you know Danny Treyo? Treyo, do you know Danny Treyo? Treyo, do you know Danny Treyo? Hollywood actor. Hollywood actor. Hollywood actor. Yeah. Um he was in prison with Charlie. Yeah. Um he was in prison with Charlie. Yeah. Um he was in prison with Charlie. Little Charlie, he called him Charles Little Charlie, he called him Charles Little Charlie, he called him Charles Manson. And little Charlie was getting Manson. And little Charlie was getting Manson. And little Charlie was getting beaten up to one of the smaller dudes beaten up to one of the smaller dudes beaten up to one of the smaller dudes around the block. He's getting beaten up around the block. He's getting beaten up around the block. He's getting beaten up by some of the other prisoners. He had a by some of the other prisoners. He had a by some of the other prisoners. He had a rope for a belt and maybe he didn't even rope for a belt and maybe he didn't even rope for a belt and maybe he didn't even have a belt. And he gave him a rope. have a belt. And he gave him a rope. have a belt. And he gave him a rope. Danny gave him a rope. Danny and his Danny gave him a rope. Danny and his Danny gave him a rope. Danny and his friends had heard that Charles, little friends had heard that Charles, little friends had heard that Charles, little Charlie was able to get you loaded on Charlie was able to get you loaded on Charlie was able to get you loaded on heroin just through your mind. And they heroin just through your mind. And they heroin just through your mind. And they started letting him sleep in their cell started letting him sleep in their cell started letting him sleep in their cell cuz they would protect him in return for cuz they would protect him in return for cuz they would protect him in return for him giving them mental heroin. And he him giving them mental heroin. And he him giving them mental heroin. And he did it to three of the guys. Only two of did it to three of the guys. Only two of did it to three of the guys. Only two of them had ever had heroin before. And them had ever had heroin before. And them had ever had heroin before. And apparently if you do heroin, you throw apparently if you do heroin, you throw apparently if you do heroin, you throw up. You're likely to throw up when you up. You're likely to throw up when you up. You're likely to throw up when you take it. The two guys that had done it take it. The two guys that had done it take it. The two guys that had done it threw up. The dude that hadn't didn't threw up. The dude that hadn't didn't threw up. The dude that hadn't didn't because he didn't know what his response because he didn't know what his response because he didn't know what his response to heroin should be. to heroin should be. to heroin should be. >> Right. Uh, but they were basically >> Right. Uh, but they were basically >> Right. Uh, but they were basically painting the picture of Charles Manson, painting the picture of Charles Manson, painting the picture of Charles Manson, this unbelievable reader, manipulator of this unbelievable reader, manipulator of this unbelievable reader, manipulator of people that supposedly might have people that supposedly might have people that supposedly might have learned these skills from the CIA, which learned these skills from the CIA, which learned these skills from the CIA, which he didn't. But in fact, if the CIA had he didn't. But in fact, if the CIA had he didn't. But in fact, if the CIA had really wanted to learn how to control really wanted to learn how to control really wanted to learn how to control and manipulate people, they could have and manipulate people, they could have and manipulate people, they could have gone to him and said, "Hey, you've got gone to him and said, "Hey, you've got gone to him and said, "Hey, you've got some you've got some really strong some you've got some really strong some you've got some really strong skills here." all of the cult leader skills here." all of the cult leader skills here." all of the cult leader things that we've seen before. The fact things that we've seen before. The fact things that we've seen before. The fact that people are able to bow down, give that people are able to bow down, give that people are able to bow down, give over their life, their wife, their bank over their life, their wife, their bank over their life, their wife, their bank account, their entire sort of spiritual account, their entire sort of spiritual account, their entire sort of spiritual essence to whoever this person is, essence to whoever this person is, essence to whoever this person is, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Because they've managed to sort of play >> Because they've managed to sort of play >> Because they've managed to sort of play this conducting game. this conducting game. this conducting game. >> They have there's there's a real I'm I'm >> They have there's there's a real I'm I'm >> They have there's there's a real I'm I'm fascinated by cult leaders and just fascinated by cult leaders and just fascinated by cult leaders and just everything about how they're able to win everything about how they're able to win everything about how they're able to win trust and it's these incremental trust and it's these incremental trust and it's these incremental changes. I liken it to kind of like a changes. I liken it to kind of like a changes. I liken it to kind of like a cruise ship or a large tanker that when cruise ship or a large tanker that when cruise ship or a large tanker that when it just turns one degree, it starts it just turns one degree, it starts it just turns one degree, it starts changing one degree. Little changes over changing one degree. Little changes over changing one degree. Little changes over time can start pushing you in that time can start pushing you in that time can start pushing you in that direction of especially when you earn direction of especially when you earn direction of especially when you earn trust. So w with my craft it's kind of trust. So w with my craft it's kind of trust. So w with my craft it's kind of again I kind of guide you in a certain again I kind of guide you in a certain again I kind of guide you in a certain way not for cult leader I'm not trying way not for cult leader I'm not trying way not for cult leader I'm not trying to take anything from you but I can't do to take anything from you but I can't do to take anything from you but I can't do it when you asked me earlier can you do it when you asked me earlier can you do it when you asked me earlier can you do this with somebody who doesn't want to? this with somebody who doesn't want to? this with somebody who doesn't want to? No it's it can't be done against your No it's it can't be done against your No it's it can't be done against your will. That's you ask me what's the core will. That's you ask me what's the core will. That's you ask me what's the core skill? Building trust, building rapport, skill? Building trust, building rapport, skill? Building trust, building rapport, and connecting with somebody. and connecting with somebody. and connecting with somebody. >> Why can't you do it against someone's >> Why can't you do it against someone's >> Why can't you do it against someone's will ethically or they will ethically or they will ethically or they >> they won't just think about it. If you >> they won't just think about it. If you >> they won't just think about it. If you decide you don't want to take part, then decide you don't want to take part, then decide you don't want to take part, then you'll say, "No, I'm not doing that. I'm you'll say, "No, I'm not doing that. I'm you'll say, "No, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that. Not it's like it's not not doing that. Not it's like it's not not doing that. Not it's like it's not an against your will type of thing, an against your will type of thing, an against your will type of thing, >> right? You need to have them, >> right? You need to have them, >> right? You need to have them, >> I'm not going to touch those cards. I'm >> I'm not going to touch those cards. I'm >> I'm not going to touch those cards. I'm not going to. You're just going to stop not going to. You're just going to stop not going to. You're just going to stop me dead in my tracks. It's not something me dead in my tracks. It's not something me dead in my tracks. It's not something you can do against your will." you can do against your will." you can do against your will." >> Do you know if the same is true with >> Do you know if the same is true with >> Do you know if the same is true with hypnotism? Hypnotism is interesting hypnotism? Hypnotism is interesting hypnotism? Hypnotism is interesting because um people have a level of because um people have a level of because um people have a level of suggestability and a good hypnotist will suggestability and a good hypnotist will suggestability and a good hypnotist will check that as they go. So stage check that as they go. So stage check that as they go. So stage hypnotist does compliance testing out in hypnotist does compliance testing out in hypnotist does compliance testing out in the audience. They'll do something for the audience. They'll do something for the audience. They'll do something for everyone. Put your hands together, close everyone. Put your hands together, close everyone. Put your hands together, close them together, close your eyes, imagine them together, close your eyes, imagine them together, close your eyes, imagine they're glued together and they'll see they're glued together and they'll see they're glued together and they'll see who is the most suggestible who is the most suggestible who is the most suggestible >> and based on that they'll bring you up. >> and based on that they'll bring you up. >> and based on that they'll bring you up. >> Mhm. Are you you must be familiar with a >> Mhm. Are you you must be familiar with a >> Mhm. Are you you must be familiar with a bunch of tangential skill sets, bunch of tangential skill sets, bunch of tangential skill sets, hypnotism, magicians. Who else are hypnotism, magicians. Who else are hypnotism, magicians. Who else are behind who else is sort of if there was behind who else is sort of if there was behind who else is sort of if there was a dressing room of people doing stuff a dressing room of people doing stuff a dressing room of people doing stuff similar to yours? Magicians, hypnotists, similar to yours? Magicians, hypnotists, similar to yours? Magicians, hypnotists, who else is in there? who else is in there? who else is in there? >> I would say standup comedians because >> I would say standup comedians because >> I would say standup comedians because standup comedians in essence are standup comedians in essence are standup comedians in essence are hypnotizing an audience in a certain way hypnotizing an audience in a certain way hypnotizing an audience in a certain way and the best ones are guiding you kind and the best ones are guiding you kind and the best ones are guiding you kind of up and down and there's a rhythm to of up and down and there's a rhythm to of up and down and there's a rhythm to it and my show has a rhythm. So if you it and my show has a rhythm. So if you it and my show has a rhythm. So if you were to watch a full show, I have I keep were to watch a full show, I have I keep were to watch a full show, I have I keep playing devil's advocate as I go. If you playing devil's advocate as I go. If you playing devil's advocate as I go. If you were watch my full performance, which were watch my full performance, which were watch my full performance, which I'm starting a tour, so should we should I'm starting a tour, so should we should I'm starting a tour, so should we should we plug this now? Absolutely. Yeah. So, we plug this now? Absolutely. Yeah. So, we plug this now? Absolutely. Yeah. So, I'm I don't know when this comes out, I'm I don't know when this comes out, I'm I don't know when this comes out, but May 2nd, I'm at the Win in Las but May 2nd, I'm at the Win in Las but May 2nd, I'm at the Win in Las Vegas. Uh June 5th, I'm at the Borgata Vegas. Uh June 5th, I'm at the Borgata Vegas. Uh June 5th, I'm at the Borgata in Atlantic City. And coming this in Atlantic City. And coming this in Atlantic City. And coming this summer, I'm shooting a Netflix special, summer, I'm shooting a Netflix special, summer, I'm shooting a Netflix special, which is going to be I don't know the which is going to be I don't know the which is going to be I don't know the exact date yet. I don't want to, but exact date yet. I don't want to, but exact date yet. I don't want to, but it's going to be in July in New York it's going to be in July in New York it's going to be in July in New York City. Where should people go to find City. Where should people go to find City. Where should people go to find out? out? out? >> Everything is on my social. You can just >> Everything is on my social. You can just >> Everything is on my social. You can just click the link, but I'm O's the click the link, but I'm O's the click the link, but I'm O's the Mentalist. So, it's Oz looks like Oz the Mentalist. So, it's Oz looks like Oz the Mentalist. So, it's Oz looks like Oz the Mentalist on everything. Twitter, Tik Mentalist on everything. Twitter, Tik Mentalist on everything. Twitter, Tik Tok, Instagram. Go there, click the Tok, Instagram. Go there, click the Tok, Instagram. Go there, click the link, get tickets, come see this for link, get tickets, come see this for link, get tickets, come see this for yourself. yourself. yourself. >> Unreal. I had uh Dr. David Spiegel on >> Unreal. I had uh Dr. David Spiegel on >> Unreal. I had uh Dr. David Spiegel on the show and he is Stamford's head of the show and he is Stamford's head of the show and he is Stamford's head of the uh hypnotism evidence-based sort of the uh hypnotism evidence-based sort of the uh hypnotism evidence-based sort of uh hypnotism lab and he was saying that uh hypnotism lab and he was saying that uh hypnotism lab and he was saying that you can have a single one-time you can have a single one-time you can have a single one-time intervention for lifetime smoking intervention for lifetime smoking intervention for lifetime smoking addiction that's got a 25% chance of addiction that's got a 25% chance of addiction that's got a 25% chance of single intervention full cessation for single intervention full cessation for single intervention full cessation for the rest of your life. And I think when the rest of your life. And I think when the rest of your life. And I think when you do two or three or four sessions you do two or three or four sessions you do two or three or four sessions that goes up to 50 to uh 60%. But again, that goes up to 50 to uh 60%. But again, that goes up to 50 to uh 60%. But again, I would say that that and ask him is I would say that that and ask him is I would say that that and ask him is that against somebody's will. So if that against somebody's will. So if that against somebody's will. So if somebody doesn't want to quit smoking, somebody doesn't want to quit smoking, somebody doesn't want to quit smoking, then that won't work is my opinion. But then that won't work is my opinion. But then that won't work is my opinion. But if somebody comes in and they now if somebody comes in and they now if somebody comes in and they now connect a core memory of something connect a core memory of something connect a core memory of something disgusting, something that repulses you. disgusting, something that repulses you. disgusting, something that repulses you. Again, there's different ways that they Again, there's different ways that they Again, there's different ways that they do it. But I've seen smoking sessation do it. But I've seen smoking sessation do it. But I've seen smoking sessation sessions. And now if you connect the two sessions. And now if you connect the two sessions. And now if you connect the two together inextricably in your mind where together inextricably in your mind where together inextricably in your mind where this thought of doing this is no longer this thought of doing this is no longer this thought of doing this is no longer my feeling of I want to have coffee and my feeling of I want to have coffee and my feeling of I want to have coffee and a cigarette in the morning, that feeling a cigarette in the morning, that feeling a cigarette in the morning, that feeling of it now feels disgusting. It feels of it now feels disgusting. It feels of it now feels disgusting. It feels like if you were to take a a bunch of like if you were to take a a bunch of like if you were to take a a bunch of cockroaches and crunch them in your cockroaches and crunch them in your cockroaches and crunch them in your mouth, if you could create those two mouth, if you could create those two mouth, if you could create those two together in your mind on a subconscious together in your mind on a subconscious together in your mind on a subconscious level, then you won't be able to do it level, then you won't be able to do it level, then you won't be able to do it anymore. It will disgust you. Isn't it anymore. It will disgust you. Isn't it anymore. It will disgust you. Isn't it funny that the human brain has got these funny that the human brain has got these funny that the human brain has got these sort of weird keyholes? sort of weird keyholes? sort of weird keyholes? >> Yeah. To trigger >> Yeah. To trigger >> Yeah. To trigger >> you're able to slot into that hypnotism >> you're able to slot into that hypnotism >> you're able to slot into that hypnotism is able to slot into that comedy is able is able to slot into that comedy is able is able to slot into that comedy is able to slot into. And I with comedy, you can to slot into. And I with comedy, you can to slot into. And I with comedy, you can kind of see why because normal kind of see why because normal kind of see why because normal day-to-day human interaction, people say day-to-day human interaction, people say day-to-day human interaction, people say things and you both share in a little things and you both share in a little things and you both share in a little bit of surprise and delight. Isn't that bit of surprise and delight. Isn't that bit of surprise and delight. Isn't that cool? When you get toward hypnotism, you cool? When you get toward hypnotism, you cool? When you get toward hypnotism, you go, what is the mechanism that's going go, what is the mechanism that's going go, what is the mechanism that's going on inside of the human brain? Why is it on inside of the human brain? Why is it on inside of the human brain? Why is it there? Is it purpose-built, there? Is it purpose-built, there? Is it purpose-built, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Or is this uh spandrel in the same way >> Or is this uh spandrel in the same way >> Or is this uh spandrel in the same way that a light bulb gives off light, but that a light bulb gives off light, but that a light bulb gives off light, but it also gives off heat? It's not it also gives off heat? It's not it also gives off heat? It's not supposed to give off the heat. The heat supposed to give off the heat. The heat supposed to give off the heat. The heat is just a byproduct of the light. A is just a byproduct of the light. A is just a byproduct of the light. A human brains meant to have this. Is it human brains meant to have this. Is it human brains meant to have this. Is it built in for us to be suggestible? Or is built in for us to be suggestible? Or is built in for us to be suggestible? Or is it a byproduct of us having a few other it a byproduct of us having a few other it a byproduct of us having a few other attributes that need to be important? attributes that need to be important? attributes that need to be important? And by playing with it for a few And by playing with it for a few And by playing with it for a few thousand years, humans have found out, thousand years, humans have found out, thousand years, humans have found out, ah, actually I can tell something about ah, actually I can tell something about ah, actually I can tell something about your cards. I can tell something about your cards. I can tell something about your cards. I can tell something about your life. I can suggest you to behave your life. I can suggest you to behave your life. I can suggest you to behave in this sort of a way or I can encourage in this sort of a way or I can encourage in this sort of a way or I can encourage you to stop or start doing something. you to stop or start doing something. you to stop or start doing something. Well, why do we dream? That's a Have you Well, why do we dream? That's a Have you Well, why do we dream? That's a Have you ever Have you ever lucid dreamed? ever Have you ever lucid dreamed? ever Have you ever lucid dreamed? >> A little. A little. Not much. So when I >> A little. A little. Not much. So when I >> A little. A little. Not much. So when I was in high school and I this is no was in high school and I this is no was in high school and I this is no connection. I wasn't doing mentalism. I connection. I wasn't doing mentalism. I connection. I wasn't doing mentalism. I was doing magic. But I really was very was doing magic. But I really was very was doing magic. But I really was very into like Carl Castanada. I was into like Carl Castanada. I was into like Carl Castanada. I was introduced to those books and just some introduced to those books and just some introduced to those books and just some with lucid dreaming and remote viewing with lucid dreaming and remote viewing with lucid dreaming and remote viewing and all this kind of paris paranormal and all this kind of paris paranormal and all this kind of paris paranormal things which I didn't know if I believed things which I didn't know if I believed things which I didn't know if I believed or not but lucid dreaming is real. And or not but lucid dreaming is real. And or not but lucid dreaming is real. And for about 6 months I I wrote a paper on for about 6 months I I wrote a paper on for about 6 months I I wrote a paper on it my senior year in a psychology class it my senior year in a psychology class it my senior year in a psychology class and I was doing it. So lucid dreaming do and I was doing it. So lucid dreaming do and I was doing it. So lucid dreaming do you know the techniques to do it? These you know the techniques to do it? These you know the techniques to do it? These might be rudimentary because they go might be rudimentary because they go might be rudimentary because they go back about 25 years. back about 25 years. back about 25 years. >> Okay. You do reality testing. So what I >> Okay. You do reality testing. So what I >> Okay. You do reality testing. So what I used to do is I would wear a watch and I used to do is I would wear a watch and I used to do is I would wear a watch and I became almost OCD level. I would check became almost OCD level. I would check became almost OCD level. I would check my watch every five minutes. It's kind my watch every five minutes. It's kind my watch every five minutes. It's kind of like the Leonard DiCaprio Inception of like the Leonard DiCaprio Inception of like the Leonard DiCaprio Inception where he spins it. I would check my where he spins it. I would check my where he spins it. I would check my watch every 5 minutes. And you have to watch every 5 minutes. And you have to watch every 5 minutes. And you have to start doing this religiously so it start doing this religiously so it start doing this religiously so it becomes a tick. Not a big deal. I check becomes a tick. Not a big deal. I check becomes a tick. Not a big deal. I check my watch. I'd look at it. I'd look away. my watch. I'd look at it. I'd look away. my watch. I'd look at it. I'd look away. I'd look back and make sure it was the I'd look back and make sure it was the I'd look back and make sure it was the same time. I did this at school every same time. I did this at school every same time. I did this at school every day. I did this throughout the day every day. I did this throughout the day every day. I did this throughout the day every day. Then as you're going to bed, this I day. Then as you're going to bed, this I day. Then as you're going to bed, this I didn't invent any of this. This is all didn't invent any of this. This is all didn't invent any of this. This is all from a book. There's I I hope I'm saying from a book. There's I I hope I'm saying from a book. There's I I hope I'm saying this word correctly, but it's the this word correctly, but it's the this word correctly, but it's the hypnogogic stage. Hypnot. Do you know hypnogogic stage. Hypnot. Do you know hypnogogic stage. Hypnot. Do you know how to say that word? Y. how to say that word? Y. how to say that word? Y. >> So, as you're falling asleep, the best >> So, as you're falling asleep, the best >> So, as you're falling asleep, the best way to do it is hold your arm at your way to do it is hold your arm at your way to do it is hold your arm at your side up. And you know that moment when side up. And you know that moment when side up. And you know that moment when you jolt right before that's when your you jolt right before that's when your you jolt right before that's when your brain goes into that kind of that's the brain goes into that kind of that's the brain goes into that kind of that's the most suggestible part of your whole most suggestible part of your whole most suggestible part of your whole night. If you can hold your arm up right night. If you can hold your arm up right night. If you can hold your arm up right before you go to sleep, everyone try it. before you go to sleep, everyone try it. before you go to sleep, everyone try it. And right when you feel that, that means And right when you feel that, that means And right when you feel that, that means you went into it. Now, start you went into it. Now, start you went into it. Now, start self-suggesting. In my mind, I would self-suggesting. In my mind, I would self-suggesting. In my mind, I would say, I will remember my dream. I will say, I will remember my dream. I will say, I will remember my dream. I will remember my dream. and you will nod off remember my dream. and you will nod off remember my dream. and you will nod off to bed within the next for most people to bed within the next for most people to bed within the next for most people 30 to 45 seconds. Once you feel that 30 to 45 seconds. Once you feel that 30 to 45 seconds. Once you feel that jolt, if you say that as the last thing jolt, if you say that as the last thing jolt, if you say that as the last thing before you go to bed, what started before you go to bed, what started before you go to bed, what started happening is you will start to remember happening is you will start to remember happening is you will start to remember anywhere from 3, four up to eight dreams anywhere from 3, four up to eight dreams anywhere from 3, four up to eight dreams a night. This was my my my project. And a night. This was my my my project. And a night. This was my my my project. And you'd wake up for a minute in between you'd wake up for a minute in between you'd wake up for a minute in between the dreams. If you want, you can write the dreams. If you want, you can write the dreams. If you want, you can write them down, but you'd start having very them down, but you'd start having very them down, but you'd start having very vivid dreams. And within about a week of vivid dreams. And within about a week of vivid dreams. And within about a week of doing this, the checking my watch in my doing this, the checking my watch in my doing this, the checking my watch in my dream, I would now check my watch. It's dream, I would now check my watch. It's dream, I would now check my watch. It's fully in our DiCaprio. I'd look away. I fully in our DiCaprio. I'd look away. I fully in our DiCaprio. I'd look away. I look back. The watch is always a look back. The watch is always a look back. The watch is always a different time if you're in a dream. It different time if you're in a dream. It different time if you're in a dream. It never has consistency. So, I look at it. never has consistency. So, I look at it. never has consistency. So, I look at it. Now, your brain goes into overdrive Now, your brain goes into overdrive Now, your brain goes into overdrive trying to explain, well, this is the trying to explain, well, this is the trying to explain, well, this is the reason why. The same reason that an reason why. The same reason that an reason why. The same reason that an alarm in your in your house turns into a alarm in your in your house turns into a alarm in your in your house turns into a car honking in a dream. Do you know what car honking in a dream. Do you know what car honking in a dream. Do you know what I mean? Before you wake up. So, now your I mean? Before you wake up. So, now your I mean? Before you wake up. So, now your mind is racing against you to try to mind is racing against you to try to mind is racing against you to try to pull yourself out. pull yourself out. pull yourself out. >> So, as you get better at it, you >> So, as you get better at it, you >> So, as you get better at it, you realize, I'm dreaming right now. This realize, I'm dreaming right now. This realize, I'm dreaming right now. This isn't real. I will not wake up. And now isn't real. I will not wake up. And now isn't real. I will not wake up. And now you can take control of your dream. And you can take control of your dream. And you can take control of your dream. And it's actually the coolest thing in the it's actually the coolest thing in the it's actually the coolest thing in the world if you can put the in the work to world if you can put the in the work to world if you can put the in the work to do it. I have had moments where I've do it. I have had moments where I've do it. I have had moments where I've been lucid since without doing just been lucid since without doing just been lucid since without doing just spontaneous. But I used to have lucid spontaneous. But I used to have lucid spontaneous. But I used to have lucid dreams almost every night and it was the dreams almost every night and it was the dreams almost every night and it was the coolest coolest coolest >> playing a video game while you're >> playing a video game while you're >> playing a video game while you're asleep. asleep. asleep. >> It is truly it's the original virtual >> It is truly it's the original virtual >> It is truly it's the original virtual reality. reality. reality. >> It's better than virtual reality cuz >> It's better than virtual reality cuz >> It's better than virtual reality cuz it's real. it's real. it's real. >> Yeah. It's incredible. It's worth It's >> Yeah. It's incredible. It's worth It's >> Yeah. It's incredible. It's worth It's not that hard to do which is most people not that hard to do which is most people not that hard to do which is most people don't put in the work. I haven't put in don't put in the work. I haven't put in don't put in the work. I haven't put in the work. I don't sleep that much the work. I don't sleep that much the work. I don't sleep that much anymore. I've got five kids. But like anymore. I've got five kids. But like anymore. I've got five kids. But like it's it was super cool at the time. And it's it was super cool at the time. And it's it was super cool at the time. And I think that I realized at that point I think that I realized at that point I think that I realized at that point there's much more to the mind and there there's much more to the mind and there there's much more to the mind and there are these things which I don't think are are these things which I don't think are are these things which I don't think are explainable. They're not mystical. But explainable. They're not mystical. But explainable. They're not mystical. But why is that? why is that? why is that? >> Why is that a skill that I could learn >> Why is that a skill that I could learn >> Why is that a skill that I could learn within a week and be able to just take within a week and be able to just take within a week and be able to just take control of my dreams? control of my dreams? control of my dreams? >> It's like a back door in a computer >> It's like a back door in a computer >> It's like a back door in a computer program. It wasn't designed to program. It wasn't designed to program. It wasn't designed to necessarily be there, but for some necessarily be there, but for some necessarily be there, but for some reason it is. And because we've tested reason it is. And because we've tested reason it is. And because we've tested and played around with it so much, and played around with it so much, and played around with it so much, people have found these ways to do it. people have found these ways to do it. people have found these ways to do it. How long did it take you to do the to How long did it take you to do the to How long did it take you to do the to learn to lucid dream? learn to lucid dream? learn to lucid dream? >> I think within less than a week, I was >> I think within less than a week, I was >> I think within less than a week, I was able to start doing it somewhat able to start doing it somewhat able to start doing it somewhat consistently. And then it was because if consistently. And then it was because if consistently. And then it was because if you again if you were to just do that you again if you were to just do that you again if you were to just do that little changes, you know, like the little changes, you know, like the little changes, you know, like the atomic habits you have to do like small atomic habits you have to do like small atomic habits you have to do like small this was one that wasn't that hard. this was one that wasn't that hard. this was one that wasn't that hard. Every five minutes check my watch. I Every five minutes check my watch. I Every five minutes check my watch. I would always check my watch anyway, but would always check my watch anyway, but would always check my watch anyway, but this was just more obsessive. But I this was just more obsessive. But I this was just more obsessive. But I would only look at it once. Now was the would only look at it once. Now was the would only look at it once. Now was the double tap. Look at it, take a moment, double tap. Look at it, take a moment, double tap. Look at it, take a moment, then look back. If you just did that, it then look back. If you just did that, it then look back. If you just did that, it started to become something. And then started to become something. And then started to become something. And then when you in the dream, it was so crazy when you in the dream, it was so crazy when you in the dream, it was so crazy because the dreams are just as real. because the dreams are just as real. because the dreams are just as real. When was the last dream you remember? When was the last dream you remember? When was the last dream you remember? Uh, so Uh, so Uh, so >> I don't remember my dreams that >> I don't remember my dreams that >> I don't remember my dreams that frequently anymore. frequently anymore. frequently anymore. >> Uh, I had one last night that I kind of >> Uh, I had one last night that I kind of >> Uh, I had one last night that I kind of remember. remember. remember. >> How much do you sleep per night on >> How much do you sleep per night on >> How much do you sleep per night on average? average? average? >> Seven hours. >> Seven hours. >> Seven hours. >> Oh, wow. That's Yeah. Much better than >> Oh, wow. That's Yeah. Much better than >> Oh, wow. That's Yeah. Much better than me. Yeah. me. Yeah. me. Yeah. >> No kids. [laughter] >> No kids. [laughter] >> No kids. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm trying >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm trying >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm trying to bank as much sleep as possible in to bank as much sleep as possible in to bank as much sleep as possible in anticipation. anticipation. anticipation. >> No, you might with kids, too. Everyone's >> No, you might with kids, too. Everyone's >> No, you might with kids, too. Everyone's different, but I I just different, but I I just different, but I I just >> I don't know any parent that has sleep. >> I don't know any parent that has sleep. >> I don't know any parent that has sleep. I don't know any parent of of kids that I don't know any parent of of kids that I don't know any parent of of kids that has that much good sleep. has that much good sleep. has that much good sleep. >> I mean, no one's awake, but I just go to >> I mean, no one's awake, but I just go to >> I mean, no one's awake, but I just go to bed later. I just don't want to go to bed later. I just don't want to go to bed later. I just don't want to go to sleep because once they go to bed, sleep because once they go to bed, sleep because once they go to bed, that's your only time that you get to that's your only time that you get to that's your only time that you get to like, like, like, >> [ __ ] I'm liberated. [laughter] Holy >> [ __ ] I'm liberated. [laughter] Holy >> [ __ ] I'm liberated. [laughter] Holy >> [ __ ] This nine-year-old that's >> [ __ ] This nine-year-old that's >> [ __ ] This nine-year-old that's gaslighting me into letting him use his gaslighting me into letting him use his gaslighting me into letting him use his calculator is finally gone. This tiny calculator is finally gone. This tiny calculator is finally gone. This tiny little little little >> pirate and the judgment from the tutor >> pirate and the judgment from the tutor >> pirate and the judgment from the tutor who writes me back and you could just who writes me back and you could just who writes me back and you could just tell that the the parenthesis was like, tell that the the parenthesis was like, tell that the the parenthesis was like, "You freaking moron." Like you she "You freaking moron." Like you she "You freaking moron." Like you she couldn't say that, but she wanted to put couldn't say that, but she wanted to put couldn't say that, but she wanted to put that in the parenthesis. that in the parenthesis. that in the parenthesis. >> Oh, it's so it's Yeah, that was amazing. >> Oh, it's so it's Yeah, that was amazing. >> Oh, it's so it's Yeah, that was amazing. Yes. Can I be easily manipulated? I Yes. Can I be easily manipulated? I Yes. Can I be easily manipulated? 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That's lie mous.com/modwisdom and modern wisdom and modern wisdom and modern wisdom at checkout. at checkout. at checkout. >> When tricks go wrong >> When tricks go wrong >> When tricks go wrong >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> How first do I do I >> How first do I do I >> How first do I do I >> They never go wrong. Perfect. Chris, no. >> They never go wrong. Perfect. Chris, no. >> They never go wrong. Perfect. Chris, no. Uh, they they definitely go wrong. Uh, they they definitely go wrong. Uh, they they definitely go wrong. >> Do any times come to mind where there >> Do any times come to mind where there >> Do any times come to mind where there was a really big face plant? And I'm was a really big face plant? And I'm was a really big face plant? And I'm also interested in how you recover from also interested in how you recover from also interested in how you recover from that in front of a live audience, that in front of a live audience, that in front of a live audience, whether it's big or small, because I whether it's big or small, because I whether it's big or small, because I think that, think that, think that, >> you know, someone meant to do something, >> you know, someone meant to do something, >> you know, someone meant to do something, they messed up this thing that they'd they messed up this thing that they'd they messed up this thing that they'd maybe planned or prepared. Perhaps it maybe planned or prepared. Perhaps it maybe planned or prepared. Perhaps it was their fault or it wasn't their was their fault or it wasn't their was their fault or it wasn't their fault. Something occurred just at the fault. Something occurred just at the fault. Something occurred just at the right moment or the wrong moment or on a right moment or the wrong moment or on a right moment or the wrong moment or on a sales call, they quote the wrong number sales call, they quote the wrong number sales call, they quote the wrong number and that kind of they notice themselves and that kind of they notice themselves and that kind of they notice themselves starting to lose it. What have you starting to lose it. What have you starting to lose it. What have you learned about dealing with sort of learned about dealing with sort of learned about dealing with sort of failure in the moment? Can we talk about failure in the moment? Can we talk about failure in the moment? Can we talk about sort of the more fluffy side of failure? sort of the more fluffy side of failure? sort of the more fluffy side of failure? Seeing yourself as a failure, the Seeing yourself as a failure, the Seeing yourself as a failure, the self-labeling, the overcoming of the self-labeling, the overcoming of the self-labeling, the overcoming of the self-rejection and the esteem side. I self-rejection and the esteem side. I self-rejection and the esteem side. I think in the moment, winning back think in the moment, winning back think in the moment, winning back because you have to do that. If you're because you have to do that. If you're because you have to do that. If you're on the table and you mess up the first on the table and you mess up the first on the table and you mess up the first one, you go, I I think I might be able one, you go, I I think I might be able one, you go, I I think I might be able to salvage this. What have you learned to salvage this. What have you learned to salvage this. What have you learned about dealing with it emotionally, about dealing with it emotionally, about dealing with it emotionally, psychologically, and then also trying to psychologically, and then also trying to psychologically, and then also trying to charmingly bring that back around? charmingly bring that back around? charmingly bring that back around? >> So, I've gotten better like on a a >> So, I've gotten better like on a a >> So, I've gotten better like on a a couple fronts. One, I've gotten better couple fronts. One, I've gotten better couple fronts. One, I've gotten better at realizing that people remember uh the at realizing that people remember uh the at realizing that people remember uh the beginning and the end more than the beginning and the end more than the beginning and the end more than the middle. middle. middle. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, how you leave someone is so much >> So, how you leave someone is so much >> So, how you leave someone is so much more important than what happens before more important than what happens before more important than what happens before that. If you can win somebody back over, that. If you can win somebody back over, that. If you can win somebody back over, that will be the last feeling they leave that will be the last feeling they leave that will be the last feeling they leave with. with. with. >> Pandr. >> Pandr. >> Pandr. >> Yeah. Huge. And people forget the misses >> Yeah. Huge. And people forget the misses >> Yeah. Huge. And people forget the misses and remember the hits. So, and that's and remember the hits. So, and that's and remember the hits. So, and that's the key to psychics. So, a lot of the key to psychics. So, a lot of the key to psychics. So, a lot of psychics, if you were to sit in a room psychics, if you were to sit in a room psychics, if you were to sit in a room and check off, what did you get right? and check off, what did you get right? and check off, what did you get right? What did you get right? What did you get What did you get right? What did you get What did you get right? What did you get right? They mostly get things wrong. right? They mostly get things wrong. right? They mostly get things wrong. Right. It's kind of the Roger Federer. Right. It's kind of the Roger Federer. Right. It's kind of the Roger Federer. He only won 54% of his points. He's He only won 54% of his points. He's He only won 54% of his points. He's arguably one of the greatest of all arguably one of the greatest of all arguably one of the greatest of all time. I love that stat. I won 54% of his time. I love that stat. I won 54% of his time. I love that stat. I won 54% of his points but 80% of his games. points but 80% of his games. points but 80% of his games. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> It's wild. So the win the right point. >> It's wild. So the win the right point. >> It's wild. So the win the right point. So with me I realize that how I end is So with me I realize that how I end is So with me I realize that how I end is the most important in a show and the the the most important in a show and the the the most important in a show and the the ones that move you for me it's cuz I'm a ones that move you for me it's cuz I'm a ones that move you for me it's cuz I'm a performer that what matters but there performer that what matters but there performer that what matters but there are still major face plants. There are are still major face plants. There are are still major face plants. There are things that go wrong and I actually find things that go wrong and I actually find things that go wrong and I actually find I learn way more cliche but from the I learn way more cliche but from the I learn way more cliche but from the mistakes because if there it's a mistake mistakes because if there it's a mistake mistakes because if there it's a mistake that I completely didn't see coming, it that I completely didn't see coming, it that I completely didn't see coming, it really eats me up of like what happened? really eats me up of like what happened? really eats me up of like what happened? How did I misjudge that so much? And How did I misjudge that so much? And How did I misjudge that so much? And some of those you learn from, some of some of those you learn from, some of some of those you learn from, some of those you kind of take the hit and you those you kind of take the hit and you those you kind of take the hit and you move on. move on. move on. >> I learned in a big way for me is that >> I learned in a big way for me is that >> I learned in a big way for me is that >> defining something as a mistake has been >> defining something as a mistake has been >> defining something as a mistake has been a gray area for years. The only way that a gray area for years. The only way that a gray area for years. The only way that you know if I made a mistake is if you you know if I made a mistake is if you you know if I made a mistake is if you know what wasn't a mistake. Which is know what wasn't a mistake. Which is know what wasn't a mistake. Which is funny because my career is a pick your funny because my career is a pick your funny because my career is a pick your own adventure. Hear me out. own adventure. Hear me out. own adventure. Hear me out. >> It's very clear in a football game if >> It's very clear in a football game if >> It's very clear in a football game if you made a mistake because you lost the you made a mistake because you lost the you made a mistake because you lost the game, right? the score at the end of the game, right? the score at the end of the game, right? the score at the end of the mine isn't like that. That trick I could mine isn't like that. That trick I could mine isn't like that. That trick I could have never shown you your date of birth have never shown you your date of birth have never shown you your date of birth at the end and you would have still been at the end and you would have still been at the end and you would have still been impressed. So it could have gone impressed. So it could have gone impressed. So it could have gone completely wrong on my end and I would completely wrong on my end and I would completely wrong on my end and I would have never gone or maybe there was a have never gone or maybe there was a have never gone or maybe there was a second ending at the end of that that second ending at the end of that that second ending at the end of that that you didn't know that was like the kick you didn't know that was like the kick you didn't know that was like the kick kicker on the kicker that I didn't do kicker on the kicker that I didn't do kicker on the kicker that I didn't do that went wrong that you didn't that went wrong that you didn't that went wrong that you didn't >> the criteria for success hasn't been >> the criteria for success hasn't been >> the criteria for success hasn't been defined therefore define what the ending defined therefore define what the ending defined therefore define what the ending is. I'm going to guess not only your is. I'm going to guess not only your is. I'm going to guess not only your cards, but I'm also going to make sure cards, but I'm also going to make sure cards, but I'm also going to make sure that the cards are your birthday. that the cards are your birthday. that the cards are your birthday. >> Exactly. So, what if that never >> Exactly. So, what if that never >> Exactly. So, what if that never happened? So, what if that last bit happened? So, what if that last bit happened? So, what if that last bit never happened? You didn't know went never happened? You didn't know went never happened? You didn't know went wrong. So, I've learned that I don't in wrong. So, I've learned that I don't in wrong. So, I've learned that I don't in essence foreshadow the ending in many essence foreshadow the ending in many essence foreshadow the ending in many instances of what I'm going to do instances of what I'm going to do instances of what I'm going to do beforehand. So, that if something will beforehand. So, that if something will beforehand. So, that if something will go wrong, go wrong, go wrong, >> get out of jail free card. >> get out of jail free card. >> get out of jail free card. >> I get to get out get out of jail all the >> I get to get out get out of jail all the >> I get to get out get out of jail all the time because you don't even know you're time because you don't even know you're time because you don't even know you're in jail when you're performing. in jail when you're performing. in jail when you're performing. >> So, that happens. But there before that >> So, that happens. But there before that >> So, that happens. But there before that there have been mess ups and there's there have been mess ups and there's there have been mess ups and there's also things where I take a big a big also things where I take a big a big also things where I take a big a big leap of faith like I'm going for stuff. leap of faith like I'm going for stuff. leap of faith like I'm going for stuff. I don't know exactly when this airs but I don't know exactly when this airs but I don't know exactly when this airs but I'm hosting the White House I'm hosting the White House I'm hosting the White House correspondence dinner this year. Uh correspondence dinner this year. Uh correspondence dinner this year. Uh President Trump has never attended while President Trump has never attended while President Trump has never attended while in office before ever. in office before ever. in office before ever. >> So this is the first time. I believe >> So this is the first time. I believe >> So this is the first time. I believe that that is not a coincidence that he that that is not a coincidence that he that that is not a coincidence that he is coming uh somewhat because I am there is coming uh somewhat because I am there is coming uh somewhat because I am there because in the past been comedians who because in the past been comedians who because in the past been comedians who kind of roast him and my intention is kind of roast him and my intention is kind of roast him and my intention is not to roast. not to roast. not to roast. >> So >> So >> So >> wouldn't it be funny if you got in there >> wouldn't it be funny if you got in there >> wouldn't it be funny if you got in there and you decided to do a roast? It's like and you decided to do a roast? It's like and you decided to do a roast? It's like we're not actually doing any magic this we're not actually doing any magic this we're not actually doing any magic this evening. No mentalism. evening. No mentalism. evening. No mentalism. >> Donald Tony Hinchcliffe, come on down. >> Donald Tony Hinchcliffe, come on down. >> Donald Tony Hinchcliffe, come on down. It's just a [ __ ] Avengers assemble. It's just a [ __ ] Avengers assemble. It's just a [ __ ] Avengers assemble. If people come in that Well, I mean, If people come in that Well, I mean, If people come in that Well, I mean, that's the ultimate rugpole. You want to that's the ultimate rugpole. You want to that's the ultimate rugpole. You want to talk about that? It's like you've spent talk about that? It's like you've spent talk about that? It's like you've spent your entire career, three, four decades your entire career, three, four decades your entire career, three, four decades doing this thing doing this thing doing this thing >> just to fake this >> just to fake this >> just to fake this >> to rug pull the president of the United >> to rug pull the president of the United >> to rug pull the president of the United States into a night roast. States into a night roast. States into a night roast. >> I I >> I I >> I I >> I mean, you might lose >> I mean, you might lose >> I mean, you might lose >> the long game. >> the long game. >> the long game. >> You might be jailed, but uh I I think >> You might be jailed, but uh I I think >> You might be jailed, but uh I I think that's the way that you should That's that's the way that you should That's that's the way that you should That's the swan. the swan. the swan. >> 50% of you would hate you. 50% of people >> 50% of you would hate you. 50% of people >> 50% of you would hate you. 50% of people would love you. There's just would love you. There's just would love you. There's just >> I actually think that probably mo almost >> I actually think that probably mo almost >> I actually think that probably mo almost all people would love you. Even Trump all people would love you. Even Trump all people would love you. Even Trump Trump's uh biggest supporters would love Trump's uh biggest supporters would love Trump's uh biggest supporters would love to watch him go through a roast. He's to watch him go through a roast. He's to watch him go through a roast. He's kind of like hilarious. kind of like hilarious. kind of like hilarious. >> He's been roasted before. >> He's been roasted before. >> He's been roasted before. >> That's true. But I mean Barack Obama >> That's true. But I mean Barack Obama >> That's true. But I mean Barack Obama roasting roasting roasting >> skin than most people think. >> skin than most people think. >> skin than most people think. >> I I I Yeah, Barack Obama doing that. Um >> I I I Yeah, Barack Obama doing that. Um >> I I I Yeah, Barack Obama doing that. Um the difference between us is that one of the difference between us is that one of the difference between us is that one of us is going to be president. That's one us is going to be president. That's one us is going to be president. That's one of the sort of genesis points of the sort of genesis points of the sort of genesis points supposedly, who knows, of uh supposedly, who knows, of uh supposedly, who knows, of uh >> him deciding that he was going to run >> him deciding that he was going to run >> him deciding that he was going to run for office. That was the last time. 2013 for office. That was the last time. 2013 for office. That was the last time. 2013 was at it, but he wasn't there as was at it, but he wasn't there as was at it, but he wasn't there as president. president. president. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And Barack sort of points him out >> Yeah. And Barack sort of points him out >> Yeah. And Barack sort of points him out in the crowd. The difference is that one in the crowd. The difference is that one in the crowd. The difference is that one of us is president or going to be of us is president or going to be of us is president or going to be president. Hilarious. president. Hilarious. president. Hilarious. >> I mean, it was it was >> I mean, it was it was >> I mean, it was it was >> that's sick. So, have you got something >> that's sick. So, have you got something >> that's sick. So, have you got something special planned for the Donald? special planned for the Donald? special planned for the Donald? >> The most special thing I've ever planned >> The most special thing I've ever planned >> The most special thing I've ever planned in my life. I think I think I again, you in my life. I think I think I again, you in my life. I think I think I again, you never know what will happen, but my hope never know what will happen, but my hope never know what will happen, but my hope is that it's kind of like the Joe Rogan. is that it's kind of like the Joe Rogan. is that it's kind of like the Joe Rogan. When I when I guessed Joe Rogan's pin When I when I guessed Joe Rogan's pin When I when I guessed Joe Rogan's pin code, there was a feeling of there's no code, there was a feeling of there's no code, there was a feeling of there's no way that Joe was in on this. There's no way that Joe was in on this. There's no way that Joe was in on this. There's no way Joe didn't even know that was going way Joe didn't even know that was going way Joe didn't even know that was going to happen because you can register to happen because you can register to happen because you can register surprise very clearly. It's very hard to surprise very clearly. It's very hard to surprise very clearly. It's very hard to fake surprise. Y fake surprise. Y fake surprise. Y >> it's truly like even an actor actress to >> it's truly like even an actor actress to >> it's truly like even an actor actress to say if you know what's happening, you say if you know what's happening, you say if you know what's happening, you can't. That's why a lot of the scenes can't. That's why a lot of the scenes can't. That's why a lot of the scenes they do that are surprises, they they do that are surprises, they they do that are surprises, they actually first take surprise them. actually first take surprise them. actually first take surprise them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh like the Dard you know the Die Hard >> Uh like the Dard you know the Die Hard >> Uh like the Dard you know the Die Hard when the drop the when uh Alan is it when the drop the when uh Alan is it when the drop the when uh Alan is it Alan what's his name? Alan Rickman when Alan what's his name? Alan Rickman when Alan what's his name? Alan Rickman when he gets dropped. Oh, spoiler alert, Die he gets dropped. Oh, spoiler alert, Die he gets dropped. Oh, spoiler alert, Die Hard One. Hard One. Hard One. >> Sorry for anyone who hasn't seen it, but >> Sorry for anyone who hasn't seen it, but >> Sorry for anyone who hasn't seen it, but it's been 30 years. it's been 30 years. it's been 30 years. >> The drop I was told I think I saw the >> The drop I was told I think I saw the >> The drop I was told I think I saw the behind the scenes, the director's cut behind the scenes, the director's cut behind the scenes, the director's cut is, do you know at the end when he that is, do you know at the end when he that is, do you know at the end when he that they didn't rehearse that in the first they didn't rehearse that in the first they didn't rehearse that in the first take they actually dropped him like do take they actually dropped him like do take they actually dropped him like do you understand that he was it was Yes. you understand that he was it was Yes. you understand that he was it was Yes. So the first was an honest one because So the first was an honest one because So the first was an honest one because otherwise it's just like shooting a gun otherwise it's just like shooting a gun otherwise it's just like shooting a gun if you know you jolt up because you if you know you jolt up because you if you know you jolt up because you register before you shoot that you're register before you shoot that you're register before you shoot that you're going to feel it. Your body freezes. So, going to feel it. Your body freezes. So, going to feel it. Your body freezes. So, I I think that um I think that like I I think that um I think that like I I think that um I think that like seeing Joe react to the pin code, he's seeing Joe react to the pin code, he's seeing Joe react to the pin code, he's almost as high level as you know he's almost as high level as you know he's almost as high level as you know he's not in on it. not in on it. not in on it. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> but 100x more is Donald Trump. Donald >> but 100x more is Donald Trump. Donald >> but 100x more is Donald Trump. Donald Trump will not fake it for any Trump will not fake it for any Trump will not fake it for any >> compliant man on the planet. >> compliant man on the planet. >> compliant man on the planet. >> That will exactly there is no world in >> That will exactly there is no world in >> That will exactly there is no world in which I can get him to do what I want which I can get him to do what I want which I can get him to do what I want for any reason. for any reason. for any reason. >> Guess the nuclear codes. That's a way to >> Guess the nuclear codes. That's a way to >> Guess the nuclear codes. That's a way to do it. You'll see what I mean. Something do it. You'll see what I mean. Something do it. You'll see what I mean. Something really [laughter] [ __ ] gnarly. really [laughter] [ __ ] gnarly. really [laughter] [ __ ] gnarly. Something really gnarly. like and a war Something really gnarly. like and a war Something really gnarly. like and a war has begun with Russia, but at least the has begun with Russia, but at least the has begun with Russia, but at least the trick was great. trick was great. trick was great. >> Um, interesting on the first take thing, >> Um, interesting on the first take thing, >> Um, interesting on the first take thing, McConna in Interstellar. So, when they McConna in Interstellar. So, when they McConna in Interstellar. So, when they go down to the planet that's full of go down to the planet that's full of go down to the planet that's full of waves and they lose an additional seven waves and they lose an additional seven waves and they lose an additional seven years because they're down there for one years because they're down there for one years because they're down there for one more wave before they can get out and go more wave before they can get out and go more wave before they can get out and go back up to the the the ship. The ship's back up to the the the ship. The ship's back up to the the the ship. The ship's been receiving all of these messages. been receiving all of these messages. been receiving all of these messages. So, there's these backlogged messages. So, there's these backlogged messages. So, there's these backlogged messages. >> Tasty. >> Tasty. >> Tasty. >> Good. There we go. Um, these backlogged >> Good. There we go. Um, these backlogged >> Good. There we go. Um, these backlogged messages for um messages for um messages for um >> like two decades. And it's his kids. You >> like two decades. And it's his kids. You >> like two decades. And it's his kids. You sort of watch his kids unfolding as sort of watch his kids unfolding as sort of watch his kids unfolding as they're saying, "Dad, we haven't heard they're saying, "Dad, we haven't heard they're saying, "Dad, we haven't heard from you. We don't know if he's going from you. We don't know if he's going from you. We don't know if he's going to." That's the first take. The one that to." That's the first take. The one that to." That's the first take. The one that they used was the first take. And he he they used was the first take. And he he they used was the first take. And he he told me this story where he was saying told me this story where he was saying told me this story where he was saying he was waiting sort of getting himself he was waiting sort of getting himself he was waiting sort of getting himself in and people try and come and speak to in and people try and come and speak to in and people try and come and speak to you on set before you're about to go in. you on set before you're about to go in. you on set before you're about to go in. And he sort of did a this thing and he And he sort of did a this thing and he And he sort of did a this thing and he watched it and sure enough the first watched it and sure enough the first watched it and sure enough the first take that they did, I don't think he'd take that they did, I don't think he'd take that they did, I don't think he'd seen what the video was going to be that seen what the video was going to be that seen what the video was going to be that he was going to be reacting to. And I he was going to be reacting to. And I he was going to be reacting to. And I mean, Danny Treyo told me this as well. mean, Danny Treyo told me this as well. mean, Danny Treyo told me this as well. This is years ago when I spoke to him on This is years ago when I spoke to him on This is years ago when I spoke to him on the show. And uh you know, you've got the show. And uh you know, you've got the show. And uh you know, you've got some Mexican gangster dudes, like some Mexican gangster dudes, like some Mexican gangster dudes, like massive Mexican gangster covered in massive Mexican gangster covered in massive Mexican gangster covered in prison tattoos. They g you now need to prison tattoos. They g you now need to prison tattoos. They g you now need to learn to act. Like learn to act. Like learn to act. Like >> Danny's a fascinating human and an >> Danny's a fascinating human and an >> Danny's a fascinating human and an interesting actor, but like not interesting actor, but like not interesting actor, but like not classically trained. Right. Right. And classically trained. Right. Right. And classically trained. Right. Right. And uh his whole thing was if you need to uh his whole thing was if you need to uh his whole thing was if you need to walk into a room, sit down and take a walk into a room, sit down and take a walk into a room, sit down and take a drink of water. You don't act like you drink of water. You don't act like you drink of water. You don't act like you walk into a room, sit down and take a walk into a room, sit down and take a walk into a room, sit down and take a drink of water. You just do that thing. drink of water. You just do that thing. drink of water. You just do that thing. Right. Right. Right. >> And unfortunately when you're talking >> And unfortunately when you're talking >> And unfortunately when you're talking about emotional reactions after a while about emotional reactions after a while about emotional reactions after a while it loses its I mean after the first time it loses its I mean after the first time it loses its I mean after the first time 50 60 70% of that emotional intensity is 50 60 70% of that emotional intensity is 50 60 70% of that emotional intensity is gone and of the surprise almost all of gone and of the surprise almost all of gone and of the surprise almost all of it's gone which is the same reason that it's gone which is the same reason that it's gone which is the same reason that you don't want to do the same trick you don't want to do the same trick you don't want to do the same trick twice. Comedians can't do the same joke twice. Comedians can't do the same joke twice. Comedians can't do the same joke twice but musicians can twice but musicians can twice but musicians can they are expected to. they are expected to. they are expected to. >> Of course play and you don't do yellow. >> Of course play and you don't do yellow. >> Of course play and you don't do yellow. >> If you see the killers and they don't >> If you see the killers and they don't >> If you see the killers and they don't play Mr. Bright Side you feel short play Mr. Bright Side you feel short play Mr. Bright Side you feel short changed. If you go back and watch Matt changed. If you go back and watch Matt changed. If you go back and watch Matt Reefe do a set that he did last time, Reefe do a set that he did last time, Reefe do a set that he did last time, which I think is one of the reasons that which I think is one of the reasons that which I think is one of the reasons that crowd work is becoming so important. crowd work is becoming so important. crowd work is becoming so important. It's such a I went to go and see Jimmy It's such a I went to go and see Jimmy It's such a I went to go and see Jimmy Carr in Australia. He actually looked Carr in Australia. He actually looked Carr in Australia. He actually looked after our clothes as we jumped in the after our clothes as we jumped in the after our clothes as we jumped in the sea at Bondai Beach, which was the sea at Bondai Beach, which was the sea at Bondai Beach, which was the oddest scenario that me and me and my oddest scenario that me and me and my oddest scenario that me and me and my video guys and my friends went and video guys and my friends went and video guys and my friends went and jumped in the sea. And Jimmy was like, jumped in the sea. And Jimmy was like, jumped in the sea. And Jimmy was like, I'm going to look after the kit. So, we I'm going to look after the kit. So, we I'm going to look after the kit. So, we sat on the grass on the edge of Bondi sat on the grass on the edge of Bondi sat on the grass on the edge of Bondi Beach like dad was watching the clothes Beach like dad was watching the clothes Beach like dad was watching the clothes as we jumped in and we came back and as we jumped in and we came back and as we jumped in and we came back and he's like, "Right, I've got a gig to he's like, "Right, I've got a gig to he's like, "Right, I've got a gig to 7,000 people that I need to go and like 7,000 people that I need to go and like 7,000 people that I need to go and like get dressed for." But Jim's like get dressed for." But Jim's like get dressed for." But Jim's like afternoon was spent watching our stuff afternoon was spent watching our stuff afternoon was spent watching our stuff as we [ __ ] about in the sea. Anyway, as we [ __ ] about in the sea. Anyway, as we [ __ ] about in the sea. Anyway, um I went to go and watch him and he um I went to go and watch him and he um I went to go and watch him and he does he must do I'm not kidding, dude. does he must do I'm not kidding, dude. does he must do I'm not kidding, dude. >> 350 jokes in an hour and >> 350 jokes in an hour and >> 350 jokes in an hour and >> Oh, he's a machine 40 minutes. Yeah, >> Oh, he's a machine 40 minutes. Yeah, >> Oh, he's a machine 40 minutes. Yeah, he's you talked about sort of up and he's you talked about sort of up and he's you talked about sort of up and down for comedians. Jimmy's more like down for comedians. Jimmy's more like down for comedians. Jimmy's more like sort of an M140 D. sort of an M140 D. sort of an M140 D. Uh, but even he's throwing a lot of Uh, but even he's throwing a lot of Uh, but even he's throwing a lot of crowd work in. Yeah. And I think that a crowd work in. Yeah. And I think that a crowd work in. Yeah. And I think that a big part of that is that it doesn't big part of that is that it doesn't big part of that is that it doesn't matter. People ask you a question. It's matter. People ask you a question. It's matter. People ask you a question. It's always going to be different. It's always going to be different. It's always going to be different. It's always going to be new. You're in a new always going to be new. You're in a new always going to be new. You're in a new place. And um yeah, the the differences place. And um yeah, the the differences place. And um yeah, the the differences in terms of art form from musicians and in terms of art form from musicians and in terms of art form from musicians and music, which is another keyhole in the music, which is another keyhole in the music, which is another keyhole in the back of the human brain. Like why why back of the human brain. Like why why back of the human brain. Like why why these rhythms? Why these harmonies? Why these rhythms? Why these harmonies? Why these rhythms? Why these harmonies? Why these particular sorts of progressions? these particular sorts of progressions? these particular sorts of progressions? Why tension and release? And why do we Why tension and release? And why do we Why tension and release? And why do we like familiarity like familiarity like familiarity in music? But we don't like familiarity in music? But we don't like familiarity in music? But we don't like familiarity even watching a movie. You like watching even watching a movie. You like watching even watching a movie. You like watching a movie, but usually the most amazing a movie, but usually the most amazing a movie, but usually the most amazing time is maybe the first or perhaps the time is maybe the first or perhaps the time is maybe the first or perhaps the second. But after a while, Avengers second. But after a while, Avengers second. But after a while, Avengers Endgame just sort of starts to lose some Endgame just sort of starts to lose some Endgame just sort of starts to lose some of the and then you need a break, right? of the and then you need a break, right? of the and then you need a break, right? >> You take a break from watching >> You take a break from watching >> You take a break from watching Interstellar for 5 years and then Interstellar for 5 years and then Interstellar for 5 years and then >> even though comedy is different, some >> even though comedy is different, some >> even though comedy is different, some comedies are better the second, third, comedies are better the second, third, comedies are better the second, third, fourth, fifth time. fourth, fifth time. fourth, fifth time. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> Wedding Crashers. I can watch Wedding >> Wedding Crashers. I can watch Wedding >> Wedding Crashers. I can watch Wedding Crashers anytime that movie. So I think Crashers anytime that movie. So I think Crashers anytime that movie. So I think it's really interesting when you talk it's really interesting when you talk it's really interesting when you talk about comedy movies because what you're about comedy movies because what you're about comedy movies because what you're looking for are your favorite moments looking for are your favorite moments looking for are your favorite moments moments. moments. moments. >> Yeah. It's almost like a shared >> Yeah. It's almost like a shared >> Yeah. It's almost like a shared microculture around that thing. microculture around that thing. microculture around that thing. >> And perhaps the same thing's true with >> And perhaps the same thing's true with >> And perhaps the same thing's true with types of standup. But for the most part, types of standup. But for the most part, types of standup. But for the most part, if you're going to go and see a show, if you're going to go and see a show, if you're going to go and see a show, you want a new joke, too. I know what you want a new joke, too. I know what you want a new joke, too. I know what the I know what the answer to the only the I know what the answer to the only the I know what the answer to the only time that you don't want that is if time that you don't want that is if time that you don't want that is if someone is with you that hasn't been. someone is with you that hasn't been. someone is with you that hasn't been. You're like, "Dude, you got to listen. You're like, "Dude, you got to listen. You're like, "Dude, you got to listen. We listen to this one. Listen to this We listen to this one. Listen to this We listen to this one. Listen to this one." But that's because you want the one." But that's because you want the one." But that's because you want the special I know. I'm in the know. And special I know. I'm in the know. And special I know. I'm in the know. And there's an awkward moment that's there's an awkward moment that's there's an awkward moment that's involved exactly with that scenario when involved exactly with that scenario when involved exactly with that scenario when you're showing to someone else something you're showing to someone else something you're showing to someone else something that you really care about. There's this that you really care about. There's this that you really care about. There's this moment of what if they don't think it's moment of what if they don't think it's moment of what if they don't think it's funny and now they think I'm like and funny and now they think I'm like and funny and now they think I'm like and and then you start justifying go no well and then you start justifying go no well and then you start justifying go no well it's really funny to me like it's really funny to me like it's really funny to me like it was he did it better the last time. it was he did it better the last time. it was he did it better the last time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's like being past it's like being >> It's like being past it's like being >> It's like being past it's like being past the orcs cable at the front of the past the orcs cable at the front of the past the orcs cable at the front of the car playing a like you got to listen to car playing a like you got to listen to car playing a like you got to listen to this and looking back and everyone's this and looking back and everyone's this and looking back and everyone's like like like >> yeah that is very awkward. There is no >> yeah that is very awkward. There is no >> yeah that is very awkward. There is no pain like that. Like playing a banger pain like that. Like playing a banger pain like that. Like playing a banger that you think is it was your top played that you think is it was your top played that you think is it was your top played song last year. Everyone's just like I'm song last year. Everyone's just like I'm song last year. Everyone's just like I'm not a massive fan of Sleep Token, dude. not a massive fan of Sleep Token, dude. not a massive fan of Sleep Token, dude. They kind of suck. Uh so They kind of suck. Uh so They kind of suck. Uh so >> that's heavy pressure. >> that's heavy pressure. >> that's heavy pressure. >> Recovering from fails, you know, how are >> Recovering from fails, you know, how are >> Recovering from fails, you know, how are you going to feel, do you think, going you going to feel, do you think, going you going to feel, do you think, going into this White House, the the the into this White House, the the the into this White House, the the the dinner is that going to dinner is that going to dinner is that going to >> I'm hyper prepared. It's it's really I'm >> I'm hyper prepared. It's it's really I'm >> I'm hyper prepared. It's it's really I'm thinking of every scenario that can play thinking of every scenario that can play thinking of every scenario that can play out to a degree and just thinking how to out to a degree and just thinking how to out to a degree and just thinking how to how to kind of if in every road A B C D how to kind of if in every road A B C D how to kind of if in every road A B C D what can I pull off? What can I do? Most what can I pull off? What can I do? Most what can I pull off? What can I do? Most of it is centered around I'm going to be of it is centered around I'm going to be of it is centered around I'm going to be trying to do the most amazing thing ever trying to do the most amazing thing ever trying to do the most amazing thing ever for Trump. for Trump. for Trump. >> That's the moment. Know that the people >> That's the moment. Know that the people >> That's the moment. Know that the people in the room, it's also going to be on in the room, it's also going to be on in the room, it's also going to be on live TV. That matters, but what matters live TV. That matters, but what matters live TV. That matters, but what matters is the headline. What matters is the is the headline. What matters is the is the headline. What matters is the clip. That's really in today's day and clip. That's really in today's day and clip. That's really in today's day and age, what people truly remember is age, what people truly remember is age, what people truly remember is typically one or two lines of text. typically one or two lines of text. typically one or two lines of text. That's what they know. Think about it. That's what they know. Think about it. That's what they know. Think about it. Think about people that you know of and Think about people that you know of and Think about people that you know of and you you say, "Well, what do you know you you say, "Well, what do you know you you say, "Well, what do you know them for?" Well, this well, tell me more them for?" Well, this well, tell me more them for?" Well, this well, tell me more about that. Well, I don't you know, you about that. Well, I don't you know, you about that. Well, I don't you know, you don't really know much more than that don't really know much more than that don't really know much more than that anymore about a lot of people. anymore about a lot of people. anymore about a lot of people. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Well, the simplest message is the one >> Well, the simplest message is the one >> Well, the simplest message is the one that goes the furthest, which is a that goes the furthest, which is a that goes the furthest, which is a problem because for the most part, problem because for the most part, problem because for the most part, answers to the big questions that we answers to the big questions that we answers to the big questions that we care about aren't simple. But the ones care about aren't simple. But the ones care about aren't simple. But the ones that are most memeable, most repeatable, that are most memeable, most repeatable, that are most memeable, most repeatable, most memorable are the ones that go the most memorable are the ones that go the most memorable are the ones that go the furthest. So you actually end up with a furthest. So you actually end up with a furthest. So you actually end up with a world in which the answers become less world in which the answers become less world in which the answers become less satisfactory and less accurate as the satisfactory and less accurate as the satisfactory and less accurate as the world's demand for answers becomes world's demand for answers becomes world's demand for answers becomes greater. And the ones that actually are greater. And the ones that actually are greater. And the ones that actually are correct are the ones that are overlooked correct are the ones that are overlooked correct are the ones that are overlooked because they're too complex or too because they're too complex or too because they're too complex or too nuanced. So it's it's too much work. nuanced. So it's it's too much work. nuanced. So it's it's too much work. It's too much work for me to work out It's too much work for me to work out It's too much work for me to work out what this actually is. I would much what this actually is. I would much what this actually is. I would much sooner just have this simple four-word sooner just have this simple four-word sooner just have this simple four-word sentence. That's great. That works for sentence. That's great. That works for sentence. That's great. That works for me. So yeah, you're right. you know, me. So yeah, you're right. you know, me. So yeah, you're right. you know, clipping culture has kind of moved into clipping culture has kind of moved into clipping culture has kind of moved into print culture and memory culture as print culture and memory culture as print culture and memory culture as well. It's everything. well. It's everything. well. It's everything. >> How short, condensed, and uh pure, how >> How short, condensed, and uh pure, how >> How short, condensed, and uh pure, how weapons grade can I make this one thing. weapons grade can I make this one thing. weapons grade can I make this one thing. >> It's a shame, but it's also what defines >> It's a shame, but it's also what defines >> It's a shame, but it's also what defines people. You know, there's a the peak end people. You know, there's a the peak end people. You know, there's a the peak end rule, which is what you use the most rule, which is what you use the most rule, which is what you use the most memorable part of any experience tends memorable part of any experience tends memorable part of any experience tends to be the most emotionally salient bit, to be the most emotionally salient bit, to be the most emotionally salient bit, the most intense, and the end. And the most intense, and the end. And the most intense, and the end. And sometimes they're the same. That's why sometimes they're the same. That's why sometimes they're the same. That's why bands tend to finish on their biggest bands tend to finish on their biggest bands tend to finish on their biggest song. That's why comedians tend to song. That's why comedians tend to song. That's why comedians tend to finish on one of their best jokes. I finish on one of their best jokes. I finish on one of their best jokes. I imagine that the same thing is true for imagine that the same thing is true for imagine that the same thing is true for you when you design your set as well, you when you design your set as well, you when you design your set as well, like, oh, it's going to be the big like, oh, it's going to be the big like, oh, it's going to be the big finish, so to speak. I tried to do the finish, so to speak. I tried to do the finish, so to speak. I tried to do the same thing with my live show. same thing with my live show. same thing with my live show. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> I had this idea, the peak hate rule, >> I had this idea, the peak hate rule, >> I had this idea, the peak hate rule, which is that uh cultural commentators which is that uh cultural commentators which is that uh cultural commentators and individuals in um popular culture and individuals in um popular culture and individuals in um popular culture are defined by their biggest drama and are defined by their biggest drama and are defined by their biggest drama and their most recent one. So if you're their most recent one. So if you're their most recent one. So if you're Jordan Peterson, um you are someone who Jordan Peterson, um you are someone who Jordan Peterson, um you are someone who pushed back against Bill C16 in Canada pushed back against Bill C16 in Canada pushed back against Bill C16 in Canada and also whatever the [ __ ] he's done and also whatever the [ __ ] he's done and also whatever the [ __ ] he's done recently, right? Something to do with recently, right? Something to do with recently, right? Something to do with Christianity. Uh if you are Hassan Per, Christianity. Uh if you are Hassan Per, Christianity. Uh if you are Hassan Per, then you said that America deserved 911 then you said that America deserved 911 then you said that America deserved 911 and whatever he did recently around and whatever he did recently around and whatever he did recently around Iran. Like everybody online is defined Iran. Like everybody online is defined Iran. Like everybody online is defined by their biggest blow up and their most by their biggest blow up and their most by their biggest blow up and their most recent blowup. And the same thing is recent blowup. And the same thing is recent blowup. And the same thing is true for the answers that we're looking true for the answers that we're looking true for the answers that we're looking for as well. It's like what is the for as well. It's like what is the for as well. It's like what is the simplest way to define who this person simplest way to define who this person simplest way to define who this person is? Well, we know who this person is. is? Well, we know who this person is. is? Well, we know who this person is. And I think that, you know, one of the And I think that, you know, one of the And I think that, you know, one of the criticisms that gets thrown around or criticisms that gets thrown around or criticisms that gets thrown around or one of one of the explanations for why one of one of the explanations for why one of one of the explanations for why people hate um criticism is the only people hate um criticism is the only people hate um criticism is the only criticisms that hurt are the ones that criticisms that hurt are the ones that criticisms that hurt are the ones that we believe, we believe, we believe, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> I don't think that that's true. I think >> I don't think that that's true. I think >> I don't think that that's true. I think the criticisms that hurt most are the the criticisms that hurt most are the the criticisms that hurt most are the ones that we know aren't true, but that ones that we know aren't true, but that ones that we know aren't true, but that we fear other people might believe. we fear other people might believe. we fear other people might believe. >> That's Yeah, >> That's Yeah, >> That's Yeah, >> that's what optics management is. >> that's what optics management is. >> that's what optics management is. Because it's not just the pain of being Because it's not just the pain of being Because it's not just the pain of being misrepresented, it's the indignation of misrepresented, it's the indignation of misrepresented, it's the indignation of knowing that it's not true and the fear knowing that it's not true and the fear knowing that it's not true and the fear of thinking that other people might of thinking that other people might of thinking that other people might believe it. believe it. believe it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That altogether I think is kind of the >> That altogether I think is kind of the >> That altogether I think is kind of the eye of the storm of feeling really eye of the storm of feeling really eye of the storm of feeling really really hard done by. It's like I'm being really hard done by. It's like I'm being really hard done by. It's like I'm being scapegoed for this thing. I don't scapegoed for this thing. I don't scapegoed for this thing. I don't deserve to be. I know that it's wrong deserve to be. I know that it's wrong deserve to be. I know that it's wrong and I'm worried that other people are and I'm worried that other people are and I'm worried that other people are going to believe it. That is a real going to believe it. That is a real going to believe it. That is a real trifecta. Uh so yeah, that's why the trifecta. Uh so yeah, that's why the trifecta. Uh so yeah, that's why the optics management thing is important. optics management thing is important. optics management thing is important. But dude, Trump I mean if you want But dude, Trump I mean if you want But dude, Trump I mean if you want somebody that has just inbuilt hilarious somebody that has just inbuilt hilarious somebody that has just inbuilt hilarious responses I would roll dice in front of responses I would roll dice in front of responses I would roll dice in front of him and I think that whatever he would him and I think that whatever he would him and I think that whatever he would do would probably be pretty hilarious. do would probably be pretty hilarious. do would probably be pretty hilarious. >> There's no there's no bad reaction. So >> There's no there's no bad reaction. So >> There's no there's no bad reaction. So if if he's angry, if he's happy, if he's if if he's angry, if he's happy, if he's if if he's angry, if he's happy, if he's not amazed, if he is amazed, it's a not amazed, if he is amazed, it's a not amazed, if he is amazed, it's a litmus test. It's almost like a mood litmus test. It's almost like a mood litmus test. It's almost like a mood ring. The mood ring is based on the ring. The mood ring is based on the ring. The mood ring is based on the person observing it, not based on his person observing it, not based on his person observing it, not based on his reaction. Does that make sense? So if I reaction. Does that make sense? So if I reaction. Does that make sense? So if I guess something it's fully is because if guess something it's fully is because if guess something it's fully is because if I guess something if he is uncomfortable I guess something if he is uncomfortable I guess something if he is uncomfortable by it or he's amazed depending on what by it or he's amazed depending on what by it or he's amazed depending on what your view is of him you will emotionally your view is of him you will emotionally your view is of him you will emotionally register that. Does that make sense? register that. Does that make sense? register that. Does that make sense? Like I might get something even if he Like I might get something even if he Like I might get something even if he says I got it wrong I would say did I? I says I got it wrong I would say did I? I says I got it wrong I would say did I? I don't think I think that a lot of people don't think I think that a lot of people don't think I think that a lot of people I think that the majority of people I think that the majority of people I think that the majority of people would say I think he got it right and would say I think he got it right and would say I think he got it right and Trump's lying. Do you understand? I I I Trump's lying. Do you understand? I I I Trump's lying. Do you understand? I I I actually think it's an asymmetrical actually think it's an asymmetrical actually think it's an asymmetrical upside bet with whatever I'm going to do upside bet with whatever I'm going to do upside bet with whatever I'm going to do >> because and so I've worked out the only >> because and so I've worked out the only >> because and so I've worked out the only thing that could happen that's terrible thing that could happen that's terrible thing that could happen that's terrible is apathy. Apathy is the worst. Like is apathy. Apathy is the worst. Like is apathy. Apathy is the worst. Like absolutely not caring or not being absolutely not caring or not being absolutely not caring or not being engaged. Um or not being involved, which engaged. Um or not being involved, which engaged. Um or not being involved, which is that's my real is that's my real is that's my real >> and that's when you pull out the roast. >> and that's when you pull out the roast. >> and that's when you pull out the roast. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. [laughter] That's when Tony Hinchcliffe jumps out. That's when Tony Hinchcliffe jumps out. That's when Tony Hinchcliffe jumps out. Shane Gillis gets Shane out here. Shane Gillis gets Shane out here. Shane Gillis gets Shane out here. >> You've got him in your pocket. >> You've got him in your pocket. >> You've got him in your pocket. >> Shane can really nail that. Shane is Do >> Shane can really nail that. Shane is Do >> Shane can really nail that. Shane is Do you know Shane? you know Shane? you know Shane? >> Of course. Yeah. Yeah. What I'm >> Of course. Yeah. Yeah. What I'm >> Of course. Yeah. Yeah. What I'm interested in what you think your work interested in what you think your work interested in what you think your work teaches us about how unreliable our teaches us about how unreliable our teaches us about how unreliable our perception of reality is, you know, very perception of reality is, you know, very perception of reality is, you know, very >> Yeah. What have you learned about that >> Yeah. What have you learned about that >> Yeah. What have you learned about that about people's attenti? And it's been my mission to exactly And it's been my mission to exactly create these moments of wonder and create these moments of wonder and create these moments of wonder and amazement that can't be explained by amazement that can't be explained by amazement that can't be explained by seemingly reverse engineering the human seemingly reverse engineering the human seemingly reverse engineering the human mind, knowing how people think and using mind, knowing how people think and using mind, knowing how people think and using that knowledge against you in a certain that knowledge against you in a certain that knowledge against you in a certain way. and doing this. I've done this for way. and doing this. I've done this for way. and doing this. I've done this for some of the most successful and some of the most successful and some of the most successful and literally of the top 10 wealthiest literally of the top 10 wealthiest literally of the top 10 wealthiest people in the world, the majority of people in the world, the majority of people in the world, the majority of them. And knowing that they've run them. And knowing that they've run them. And knowing that they've run companies, built companies, and I'm not companies, built companies, and I'm not companies, built companies, and I'm not saying that your measure of wealth is a saying that your measure of wealth is a saying that your measure of wealth is a measure of your intelligence. I've also measure of your intelligence. I've also measure of your intelligence. I've also done this for people who won Nobel done this for people who won Nobel done this for people who won Nobel prizes. None of those things are prizes. None of those things are prizes. None of those things are defacto. IQ doesn't have anything to do defacto. IQ doesn't have anything to do defacto. IQ doesn't have anything to do with the way in which I fool you and use with the way in which I fool you and use with the way in which I fool you and use >> your behavioral like your knowledge of >> your behavioral like your knowledge of >> your behavioral like your knowledge of your behavior against you and knowing your behavior against you and knowing your behavior against you and knowing how people think to trick them in a how people think to trick them in a how people think to trick them in a certain way because misdirection magic a certain way because misdirection magic a certain way because misdirection magic a lot of things the core principles lot of things the core principles lot of things the core principles >> what do I I'm blown away by how easily >> what do I I'm blown away by how easily >> what do I I'm blown away by how easily people can be fooled people can be fooled people can be fooled >> it's wild because it's like what you >> it's wild because it's like what you >> it's wild because it's like what you just said you said there's a keyhole in just said you said there's a keyhole in just said you said there's a keyhole in the back there's a certain set of tricks the back there's a certain set of tricks the back there's a certain set of tricks it's like a lock that you you have to it's like a lock that you you have to it's like a lock that you you have to you you know certain locks the key you you know certain locks the key you you know certain locks the key doesn't really work. I call it the doesn't really work. I call it the doesn't really work. I call it the Jiggle Master 3000. But if you hit the Jiggle Master 3000. But if you hit the Jiggle Master 3000. But if you hit the door a certain way, click up, click door a certain way, click up, click door a certain way, click up, click over, it opens. Yeah. Like I had one of over, it opens. Yeah. Like I had one of over, it opens. Yeah. Like I had one of those apartments in college where if I those apartments in college where if I those apartments in college where if I gave you the key, you can you'd be like, gave you the key, you can you'd be like, gave you the key, you can you'd be like, "Dude, the key is broken." And I'm like, "Dude, the key is broken." And I'm like, "Dude, the key is broken." And I'm like, "No, "No, "No, >> it's both a combination lock and a key >> it's both a combination lock and a key >> it's both a combination lock and a key lock. lock. lock. >> It's everything. I have to lift it up >> It's everything. I have to lift it up >> It's everything. I have to lift it up while I do it cuz the lock is not while I do it cuz the lock is not while I do it cuz the lock is not straight." And then I have to kind of straight." And then I have to kind of straight." And then I have to kind of like jiggle this way and then turn. And like jiggle this way and then turn. And like jiggle this way and then turn. And if I did it, I'm like, "Don't you know?" if I did it, I'm like, "Don't you know?" if I did it, I'm like, "Don't you know?" Dude, it's broken. It's a jiggle master Dude, it's broken. It's a jiggle master Dude, it's broken. It's a jiggle master 3000. Your brain is the same way. And 3000. Your brain is the same way. And 3000. Your brain is the same way. And all I've done is learned how to use the all I've done is learned how to use the all I've done is learned how to use the keys in different way where if it keys in different way where if it keys in different way where if it doesn't jiggle this way. If I say to you doesn't jiggle this way. If I say to you doesn't jiggle this way. If I say to you this, do this. And you're like, "No, I this, do this. And you're like, "No, I this, do this. And you're like, "No, I can see that you're going to move a can see that you're going to move a can see that you're going to move a little this way, a little this way, and little this way, a little this way, and little this way, a little this way, and now I've got you." And what people want now I've got you." And what people want now I've got you." And what people want in general is to feel like they're in in general is to feel like they're in in general is to feel like they're in control. And I know when people heckle control. And I know when people heckle control. And I know when people heckle me, people always think the hecklers are me, people always think the hecklers are me, people always think the hecklers are the tough ones, the skeptics. I think the tough ones, the skeptics. I think the tough ones, the skeptics. I think that's easier because if you can figure that's easier because if you can figure that's easier because if you can figure out what is the core motivating factor out what is the core motivating factor out what is the core motivating factor for them, what is it? Is it attention? for them, what is it? Is it attention? for them, what is it? Is it attention? Is it not looking like they're stupid? Is it not looking like they're stupid? Is it not looking like they're stupid? Is it not being the center of attention? Is it not being the center of attention? Is it not being the center of attention? What's driving their behavior at this What's driving their behavior at this What's driving their behavior at this moment? If you can figure out what that moment? If you can figure out what that moment? If you can figure out what that is, give them what they want within a is, give them what they want within a is, give them what they want within a seeming set of parameters that they've seeming set of parameters that they've seeming set of parameters that they've chosen, but you've chosen. So again, chosen, but you've chosen. So again, chosen, but you've chosen. So again, within the guys of my show, that person within the guys of my show, that person within the guys of my show, that person wants to call me out. Great. I'm wants to call me out. Great. I'm wants to call me out. Great. I'm prepared for it. Call me out. Oh man, prepared for it. Call me out. Oh man, prepared for it. Call me out. Oh man, you're a smart guy. You know exactly. you're a smart guy. You know exactly. you're a smart guy. You know exactly. Come on up here. Let's get you. And now Come on up here. Let's get you. And now Come on up here. Let's get you. And now you've gotten that shy. You've gotten you've gotten that shy. You've gotten you've gotten that shy. You've gotten that love. You've felt like you're the that love. You've felt like you're the that love. You've felt like you're the smarter person. I've shown you behind smarter person. I've shown you behind smarter person. I've shown you behind the curtain in a certain way for certain the curtain in a certain way for certain the curtain in a certain way for certain people. and then I do something you people. and then I do something you people. and then I do something you don't understand that's more impressive, don't understand that's more impressive, don't understand that's more impressive, now you've bought in. So the same way now you've bought in. So the same way now you've bought in. So the same way that a very good comedian that a very good comedian that a very good comedian >> neutralizes a heckler, not by punching >> neutralizes a heckler, not by punching >> neutralizes a heckler, not by punching down where the crowd turns against you, down where the crowd turns against you, down where the crowd turns against you, >> but more of we laugh together at this >> but more of we laugh together at this >> but more of we laugh together at this person in a perfect world. They laugh person in a perfect world. They laugh person in a perfect world. They laugh with you so we've all won together. It's with you so we've all won together. It's with you so we've all won together. It's not a zero- sum game. The same thing not a zero- sum game. The same thing not a zero- sum game. The same thing applies with me. I'm constantly trying applies with me. I'm constantly trying applies with me. I'm constantly trying to see how I can get to the end goal, to see how I can get to the end goal, to see how I can get to the end goal, which is a huge amazed reaction. kind of which is a huge amazed reaction. kind of which is a huge amazed reaction. kind of alchemy in that way. alchemy in that way. alchemy in that way. >> It's it's jazz I would describe it. I >> It's it's jazz I would describe it. I >> It's it's jazz I would describe it. I don't have the song set up. I have don't have the song set up. I have don't have the song set up. I have different ways that I can go. I go from different ways that I can go. I go from different ways that I can go. I go from brid this bridge this chorus different brid this bridge this chorus different brid this bridge this chorus different melodies and I'm kind of playing people melodies and I'm kind of playing people melodies and I'm kind of playing people as I go. as I go. as I go. >> And that's why I've gotten better. I >> And that's why I've gotten better. I >> And that's why I've gotten better. I think if you ask me 5 years ago how good think if you ask me 5 years ago how good think if you ask me 5 years ago how good were you? I'm like much worse than now were you? I'm like much worse than now were you? I'm like much worse than now much much much >> because I I I improve with time. I'm >> because I I I improve with time. I'm >> because I I I improve with time. I'm curious to see what I'll be doing in curious to see what I'll be doing in curious to see what I'll be doing in five or 10 years. five or 10 years. five or 10 years. >> Yeah. Well, levitating maybe. I um I >> Yeah. Well, levitating maybe. I um I >> Yeah. Well, levitating maybe. I um I [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] I definitely watching Jimmy I definitely watching Jimmy I definitely watching Jimmy work the crap. I mean, it was 7,000 work the crap. I mean, it was 7,000 work the crap. I mean, it was 7,000 people at the Tik Tok arena in uh it's a people at the Tik Tok arena in uh it's a people at the Tik Tok arena in uh it's a Tik Tok theater, I guess, but it's a a Tik Tok theater, I guess, but it's a a Tik Tok theater, I guess, but it's a a big boy in uh Darling Harour in Sydney. big boy in uh Darling Harour in Sydney. big boy in uh Darling Harour in Sydney. And you know, shout out to Bondi Beach, And you know, shout out to Bondi Beach, And you know, shout out to Bondi Beach, Tuji Beach. One of my favorite runs in Tuji Beach. One of my favorite runs in Tuji Beach. One of my favorite runs in the whole world. That is such a the whole world. That is such a the whole world. That is such a beautiful run. beautiful run. beautiful run. >> I cross the front. >> I cross the front. >> I cross the front. >> Yeah. And then you go long. Yeah. It's >> Yeah. And then you go long. Yeah. It's >> Yeah. And then you go long. Yeah. It's like I don't remember how long it was, like I don't remember how long it was, like I don't remember how long it was, but I've done that run. I performed in but I've done that run. I performed in but I've done that run. I performed in Sydney once and it was awesome. Are you Sydney once and it was awesome. Are you Sydney once and it was awesome. Are you still doing I know you said you ran with still doing I know you said you ran with still doing I know you said you ran with Casey Neistat yesterday. Are you still Casey Neistat yesterday. Are you still Casey Neistat yesterday. Are you still pushing on the endurance stuff at the pushing on the endurance stuff at the pushing on the endurance stuff at the moment or what? moment or what? moment or what? >> So I right now what's happened and I >> So I right now what's happened and I >> So I right now what's happened and I always have excuses. Do you know do you always have excuses. Do you know do you always have excuses. Do you know do you know Ken Ride Out? know Ken Ride Out? know Ken Ride Out? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. I just did his podcast recently and >> Yes. I just did his podcast recently and >> Yes. I just did his podcast recently and Ken's like that guy just man I I like Ken's like that guy just man I I like Ken's like that guy just man I I like seeing people. He's got four kids. He's seeing people. He's got four kids. He's seeing people. He's got four kids. He's so busy. Wrote a book and just keeps so busy. Wrote a book and just keeps so busy. Wrote a book and just keeps executing and he kind of reinvigorated executing and he kind of reinvigorated executing and he kind of reinvigorated me that day where I have all these me that day where I have all these me that day where I have all these excuses. Screw that. My baby's old excuses. Screw that. My baby's old excuses. Screw that. My baby's old enough now. She's almost a year old. enough now. She's almost a year old. enough now. She's almost a year old. She's sleeping. There was some She's sleeping. There was some She's sleeping. There was some difficulty where if I don't sleep the difficulty where if I don't sleep the difficulty where if I don't sleep the night, it's very challenging for me to night, it's very challenging for me to night, it's very challenging for me to get up at 5:00 a.m. I can make all the get up at 5:00 a.m. I can make all the get up at 5:00 a.m. I can make all the excuse I want. If I've only slept 2 excuse I want. If I've only slept 2 excuse I want. If I've only slept 2 hours, I could be tough talking. I could hours, I could be tough talking. I could hours, I could be tough talking. I could call David Gogggins, be like, "Stay call David Gogggins, be like, "Stay call David Gogggins, be like, "Stay hard. I want to go back to bed." So now hard. I want to go back to bed." So now hard. I want to go back to bed." So now I've I've dialed in where I'm waking up I've I've dialed in where I'm waking up I've I've dialed in where I'm waking up 5 or 5:30. I'm getting an hour and a 5 or 5:30. I'm getting an hour and a 5 or 5:30. I'm getting an hour and a half to 2 hour run. No excuses. Get it half to 2 hour run. No excuses. Get it half to 2 hour run. No excuses. Get it done before anyone's awake. And I had done before anyone's awake. And I had done before anyone's awake. And I had that a few years ago, too. And now I'm that a few years ago, too. And now I'm that a few years ago, too. And now I'm getting I'm finding myself again because getting I'm finding myself again because getting I'm finding myself again because for about a year I just wasn't really for about a year I just wasn't really for about a year I just wasn't really with it. And now I'm doing I've got a with it. And now I'm doing I've got a with it. And now I'm doing I've got a marathon in a week and a half and I'll marathon in a week and a half and I'll marathon in a week and a half and I'll probably do an ultra probably do an ultra probably do an ultra >> White House dinner. >> White House dinner. >> White House dinner. >> Uh I'm doing the marathon six days >> Uh I'm doing the marathon six days >> Uh I'm doing the marathon six days before. But that's I would run a before. But that's I would run a before. But that's I would run a marathon that day if I could. I might marathon that day if I could. I might marathon that day if I could. I might run a marathon that morning. That's not run a marathon that morning. That's not run a marathon that morning. That's not a big deal, a big deal, a big deal, >> dude. Holy [ __ ] >> dude. Holy [ __ ] >> dude. Holy [ __ ] >> Anything less than 50 miles does has no >> Anything less than 50 miles does has no >> Anything less than 50 miles does has no material impact on me. Like material impact on me. Like material impact on me. Like >> How old are you? >> How old are you? >> How old are you? >> I'm 43. >> I'm 43. >> I'm 43. >> Jesus Christ. >> Jesus Christ. >> Jesus Christ. >> But a 100 mileer 100 mile give me a >> But a 100 mileer 100 mile give me a >> But a 100 mileer 100 mile give me a little run for the money. But I'd like little run for the money. But I'd like little run for the money. But I'd like to do 100 mileer this year. At least to do 100 mileer this year. At least to do 100 mileer this year. At least one. one. one. >> But you did 100 miles inside of Central >> But you did 100 miles inside of Central >> But you did 100 miles inside of Central Park. Park. Park. >> 116. >> 116. >> 116. >> Yeah. just four years ago today. >> Yeah. just four years ago today. >> Yeah. just four years ago today. >> Congratulations. I mean, you're kind of >> Congratulations. I mean, you're kind of >> Congratulations. I mean, you're kind of an insane person. [laughter] >> We didn't even talk about the running, >> We didn't even talk about the running, but the running is a different form of but the running is a different form of but the running is a different form of mind control where just I like to find mind control where just I like to find mind control where just I like to find out what I'm really capable of. And I out what I'm really capable of. And I out what I'm really capable of. And I think that so few of us think that so few of us think that so few of us >> know what we're capable of because it's >> know what we're capable of because it's >> know what we're capable of because it's so easy to talk about stuff when you're so easy to talk about stuff when you're so easy to talk about stuff when you're not in it. But until you push yourself not in it. But until you push yourself not in it. But until you push yourself mentally or physically into a certain mentally or physically into a certain mentally or physically into a certain point of complete discomfort where you point of complete discomfort where you point of complete discomfort where you hit a breaking point, I think it's kind hit a breaking point, I think it's kind hit a breaking point, I think it's kind of like the way military operators are. of like the way military operators are. of like the way military operators are. You don't know if that person, why do You don't know if that person, why do You don't know if that person, why do they do these SEAL trainings? Why do they do these SEAL trainings? Why do they do these SEAL trainings? Why do they hell week? Right? Because you can they hell week? Right? Because you can they hell week? Right? Because you can talk tough, but before you get there, talk tough, but before you get there, talk tough, but before you get there, you're freezing cold. You haven't slept. you're freezing cold. You haven't slept. you're freezing cold. You haven't slept. All of these factors are working against All of these factors are working against All of these factors are working against you. Your core motivating factors, like, you. Your core motivating factors, like, you. Your core motivating factors, like, do I really want it that bad? How bad do do I really want it that bad? How bad do do I really want it that bad? How bad do I want it? I I haven't done it, so I I I want it? I I haven't done it, so I I I want it? I I haven't done it, so I I couldn't tell you. But I want the guy or couldn't tell you. But I want the guy or couldn't tell you. But I want the guy or girl who's next to me in a life or death girl who's next to me in a life or death girl who's next to me in a life or death scenario to have made it through that scenario to have made it through that scenario to have made it through that training and found their motivating training and found their motivating training and found their motivating factor that they want this so bad that factor that they want this so bad that factor that they want this so bad that they're willing to do this because that they're willing to do this because that they're willing to do this because that can't be faked. And so you have to push can't be faked. And so you have to push can't be faked. And so you have to push yourself. So the running is one of those yourself. So the running is one of those yourself. So the running is one of those things where I like to get to a certain things where I like to get to a certain things where I like to get to a certain point where I hate it. Don't want to do point where I hate it. Don't want to do point where I hate it. Don't want to do it. Feel miserable. Body broken. Ideally it. Feel miserable. Body broken. Ideally it. Feel miserable. Body broken. Ideally heat exhaustion. I've had heat stroke heat exhaustion. I've had heat stroke heat exhaustion. I've had heat stroke which is very dangerous. Don't recommend which is very dangerous. Don't recommend which is very dangerous. Don't recommend that. Got through it. Somehow got second that. Got through it. Somehow got second that. Got through it. Somehow got second place at that race. don't ask. But, uh, place at that race. don't ask. But, uh, place at that race. don't ask. But, uh, everything like breaks down and I 100% everything like breaks down and I 100% everything like breaks down and I 100% want to give up and I talk myself out of want to give up and I talk myself out of want to give up and I talk myself out of it. That that right there changes who it. That that right there changes who it. That that right there changes who you are afterwards. It's like a flips you are afterwards. It's like a flips you are afterwards. It's like a flips the switch where now when you go back to the switch where now when you go back to the switch where now when you go back to regular life where things are regular life where things are regular life where things are comfortable, which everyone's different. comfortable, which everyone's different. comfortable, which everyone's different. I know a lot of people are struggling, I know a lot of people are struggling, I know a lot of people are struggling, but call it comfortable is you're not in but call it comfortable is you're not in but call it comfortable is you're not in danger. Now, you can readjust how you danger. Now, you can readjust how you danger. Now, you can readjust how you handle situations, I feel. So, for me, handle situations, I feel. So, for me, handle situations, I feel. So, for me, that was the running. The that was the running. The that was the running. The ultramarathoning really does that for ultramarathoning really does that for ultramarathoning really does that for me. me. me. >> What have you learned about being able >> What have you learned about being able >> What have you learned about being able to push through that discomfort? You to push through that discomfort? You to push through that discomfort? You know, you know, you know, you >> that I can do it. That I can do it. That >> that I can do it. That I can do it. That >> that I can do it. That I can do it. That it's it's your mind plays tricks on you. it's it's your mind plays tricks on you. it's it's your mind plays tricks on you. Your body your your body is directly Your body your your body is directly Your body your your body is directly impacted by the way you think. I had I impacted by the way you think. I had I impacted by the way you think. I had I had a race called the Spartan. Uh it's had a race called the Spartan. Uh it's had a race called the Spartan. Uh it's in my book. I love this race. Such a in my book. I love this race. Such a in my book. I love this race. Such a dumb name. I know. [laughter] dumb name. I know. [laughter] dumb name. I know. [laughter] >> It's a great race. It's >> It's a great race. It's >> It's a great race. It's >> alpha spartathlon 3000 killer. So it's >> alpha spartathlon 3000 killer. So it's >> alpha spartathlon 3000 killer. So it's it's called Spartathon for a reason it's called Spartathon for a reason it's called Spartathon for a reason because you run from Athens to Sparta. because you run from Athens to Sparta. because you run from Athens to Sparta. >> It's 153 miles and it's recreating um >> It's 153 miles and it's recreating um >> It's 153 miles and it's recreating um the run that Fidipities did for the the run that Fidipities did for the the run that Fidipities did for the movie 300. Did you see 300 with Gerard movie 300. Did you see 300 with Gerard movie 300. Did you see 300 with Gerard Butler? So I'm not going to tell you the Butler? So I'm not going to tell you the Butler? So I'm not going to tell you the whole story, but like that moment where whole story, but like that moment where whole story, but like that moment where the 300 Spartans defended against the the 300 Spartans defended against the the 300 Spartans defended against the Persians, if they had not held Persians, if they had not held Persians, if they had not held Thermopoly, the Greeks couldn't have Thermopoly, the Greeks couldn't have Thermopoly, the Greeks couldn't have assembled an army. They wouldn't have assembled an army. They wouldn't have assembled an army. They wouldn't have come. They wouldn't have beat them and come. They wouldn't have beat them and come. They wouldn't have beat them and we wouldn't have civilization today. The we wouldn't have civilization today. The we wouldn't have civilization today. The Greeks paint it in a very So the country Greeks paint it in a very So the country Greeks paint it in a very So the country rallies behind this race and it's this rallies behind this race and it's this rallies behind this race and it's this cockami. You have 36 hours to run 153 cockami. You have 36 hours to run 153 cockami. You have 36 hours to run 153 miles. It is really tough. And I will miles. It is really tough. And I will miles. It is really tough. And I will tell you that all these other races tell you that all these other races tell you that all these other races you'll hear about, some of them are very you'll hear about, some of them are very you'll hear about, some of them are very difficult. There's 200, 300. The cut difficult. There's 200, 300. The cut difficult. There's 200, 300. The cut offs, okay, are very easy on those offs, okay, are very easy on those offs, okay, are very easy on those races. No offense, races. No offense, races. No offense, >> the pace. >> the pace. >> the pace. >> The pace. There's just, yes, it's harder >> The pace. There's just, yes, it's harder >> The pace. There's just, yes, it's harder to run 200 miles or 300 miles, but not to run 200 miles or 300 miles, but not to run 200 miles or 300 miles, but not if you have six days versus a day and a if you have six days versus a day and a if you have six days versus a day and a half. Just space out. You have to be half. Just space out. You have to be half. Just space out. You have to be running the whole time. If you take a running the whole time. If you take a running the whole time. If you take a nap for an hour, get up, walk for an nap for an hour, get up, walk for an nap for an hour, get up, walk for an hour, you're toast. You get hit by the hour, you're toast. You get hit by the hour, you're toast. You get hit by the cutoffs. cutoffs. cutoffs. >> I did that race the first year. I did >> I did that race the first year. I did >> I did that race the first year. I did not finish. And when you don't finish not finish. And when you don't finish not finish. And when you don't finish the 36-hour race, I got swept, which the 36-hour race, I got swept, which the 36-hour race, I got swept, which means I gave up in the middle of the means I gave up in the middle of the means I gave up in the middle of the night. The cutoff was behind me, but I night. The cutoff was behind me, but I night. The cutoff was behind me, but I gave up. I'm I know I can look in the gave up. I'm I know I can look in the gave up. I'm I know I can look in the mirror. I gave up. I was puking for 8 mirror. I gave up. I was puking for 8 mirror. I gave up. I was puking for 8 hours. [ __ ] I gave up. I could have hours. [ __ ] I gave up. I could have hours. [ __ ] I gave up. I could have kept going. I went to bed in a hotel, kept going. I went to bed in a hotel, kept going. I went to bed in a hotel, woke up, had lunch, and watched people woke up, had lunch, and watched people woke up, had lunch, and watched people that were older than me, that were less that were older than me, that were less that were older than me, that were less physically fit than me. I was a 225 physically fit than me. I was a 225 physically fit than me. I was a 225 marathoner at the time, which is quite marathoner at the time, which is quite marathoner at the time, which is quite fast. fast. fast. >> That's [ __ ] >> That's [ __ ] >> That's [ __ ] >> Yes. My fast was 223. I'm with a guy >> Yes. My fast was 223. I'm with a guy >> Yes. My fast was 223. I'm with a guy who's never run more than a four who's never run more than a four who's never run more than a four fashioned a 4-h hour marathon. He fashioned a 4-h hour marathon. He fashioned a 4-h hour marathon. He finished the race when I didn't. That finished the race when I didn't. That finished the race when I didn't. That changed me for life because I I was changed me for life because I I was changed me for life because I I was crying. I was like watching him and I crying. I was like watching him and I crying. I was like watching him and I felt so great for him. But I realized at felt so great for him. But I realized at felt so great for him. But I realized at that moment it had nothing to do with my that moment it had nothing to do with my that moment it had nothing to do with my body. Nothing. It's like the Matrix when body. Nothing. It's like the Matrix when body. Nothing. It's like the Matrix when Neo jumps. It's not your body, it's your Neo jumps. It's not your body, it's your Neo jumps. It's not your body, it's your mind. I gave up. And I realized at that mind. I gave up. And I realized at that mind. I gave up. And I realized at that point, you have the ability to flip that point, you have the ability to flip that point, you have the ability to flip that switch. And everything is excuses in switch. And everything is excuses in switch. And everything is excuses in life. everything. I've seen people who life. everything. I've seen people who life. everything. I've seen people who are like paralyzed who go play are like paralyzed who go play are like paralyzed who go play basketball and do things. It's it's basketball and do things. It's it's basketball and do things. It's it's people have a decision where they decide people have a decision where they decide people have a decision where they decide are the factors external to me the one are the factors external to me the one are the factors external to me the one that decide what I do or internally I that decide what I do or internally I that decide what I do or internally I can make things happen and be relentless can make things happen and be relentless can make things happen and be relentless in my drive. I came back the next year I in my drive. I came back the next year I in my drive. I came back the next year I was going to die before I didn't finish was going to die before I didn't finish was going to die before I didn't finish that race. It was a complete mental that race. It was a complete mental that race. It was a complete mental shift. It was no question I am going to shift. It was no question I am going to shift. It was no question I am going to finish this race and I did. And so it finish this race and I did. And so it finish this race and I did. And so it was just a complete different shift in was just a complete different shift in was just a complete different shift in mentality. And again it's stupid. It's mentality. And again it's stupid. It's mentality. And again it's stupid. It's ridiculous. It's not necessarily ridiculous. It's not necessarily ridiculous. It's not necessarily healthy. I'm not telling people to run healthy. I'm not telling people to run healthy. I'm not telling people to run an ultra, but what I got out of doing an ultra, but what I got out of doing an ultra, but what I got out of doing that undoubtedly has allowed me to that undoubtedly has allowed me to that undoubtedly has allowed me to achieve the success I've had in the rest achieve the success I've had in the rest achieve the success I've had in the rest of my life since of my life since of my life since >> because it recalibrated my mind from >> because it recalibrated my mind from >> because it recalibrated my mind from like to I know what a real 10 out of 10 like to I know what a real 10 out of 10 like to I know what a real 10 out of 10 is. Before I knew what a six out of 10 is. Before I knew what a six out of 10 is. Before I knew what a six out of 10 was and I could lie to myself about what was and I could lie to myself about what was and I could lie to myself about what the other four out of 10 was for effort. the other four out of 10 was for effort. the other four out of 10 was for effort. Now I know that if I decide without Now I know that if I decide without Now I know that if I decide without question I'm going to do this, I'm going question I'm going to do this, I'm going question I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it. And I can look in the mirror to do it. And I can look in the mirror to do it. And I can look in the mirror and tell myself I know I'm going to do and tell myself I know I'm going to do and tell myself I know I'm going to do it. So fascinating that you've spent a it. So fascinating that you've spent a it. So fascinating that you've spent a long time trying to understand how other long time trying to understand how other long time trying to understand how other people's minds work and to manipulate people's minds work and to manipulate people's minds work and to manipulate and guess those appropriately. Uh but a and guess those appropriately. Uh but a and guess those appropriately. Uh but a good part of the lab that you've learned good part of the lab that you've learned good part of the lab that you've learned that in has been internal. that in has been internal. that in has been internal. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> In yourself. >> In yourself. >> In yourself. >> Well, everyone I think you probably I >> Well, everyone I think you probably I >> Well, everyone I think you probably I still have imposter syndrome. I still am still have imposter syndrome. I still am still have imposter syndrome. I still am in rooms where I go, how am I in this in rooms where I go, how am I in this in rooms where I go, how am I in this room right now? How is am I where you go room right now? How is am I where you go room right now? How is am I where you go back to some part of yourself that was back to some part of yourself that was back to some part of yourself that was probably the most insecure? So, like probably the most insecure? So, like probably the most insecure? So, like maybe 15-year-old me is still somewhere maybe 15-year-old me is still somewhere maybe 15-year-old me is still somewhere in me. And there's like I don't know if in me. And there's like I don't know if in me. And there's like I don't know if it's trauma or what, but you don't it's trauma or what, but you don't it's trauma or what, but you don't really believe you deserve it, but you really believe you deserve it, but you really believe you deserve it, but you have to earn it. So, I I still have have to earn it. So, I I still have have to earn it. So, I I still have those those those >> I could be as confident as you could >> I could be as confident as you could >> I could be as confident as you could think of on live national TV, millions think of on live national TV, millions think of on live national TV, millions of people watching. Some part of me is of people watching. Some part of me is of people watching. Some part of me is in there that's still that person. But I in there that's still that person. But I in there that's still that person. But I think overcoming that person is kind of think overcoming that person is kind of think overcoming that person is kind of the mental talk that you give yourself the mental talk that you give yourself the mental talk that you give yourself is it's there, but I've now earned the is it's there, but I've now earned the is it's there, but I've now earned the fact that I think I'm here. I've worked fact that I think I'm here. I've worked fact that I think I'm here. I've worked hard. I deserve it. and I'm gonna tell hard. I deserve it. and I'm gonna tell hard. I deserve it. and I'm gonna tell myself that I'm gonna kill it. myself that I'm gonna kill it. myself that I'm gonna kill it. >> What's the biggest lesson that you've >> What's the biggest lesson that you've >> What's the biggest lesson that you've learned about overcoming that imposter learned about overcoming that imposter learned about overcoming that imposter syndrome? I don't know if you can ever overcome I don't know if you can ever overcome it, if that makes sense. Because it, if that makes sense. Because it, if that makes sense. Because overcoming it means it doesn't stay overcoming it means it doesn't stay overcoming it means it doesn't stay there. I think that it helps me in a there. I think that it helps me in a there. I think that it helps me in a certain way where if I have a show that certain way where if I have a show that certain way where if I have a show that other people will think was a 10 out of other people will think was a 10 out of other people will think was a 10 out of 10, it might have been a seven and a 10, it might have been a seven and a 10, it might have been a seven and a half out of 10 for me. And I'm going to half out of 10 for me. And I'm going to half out of 10 for me. And I'm going to be the one who says, "How could I have be the one who says, "How could I have be the one who says, "How could I have done that better?" And it's a relentless done that better?" And it's a relentless done that better?" And it's a relentless drive to improve and iterate and drive to improve and iterate and drive to improve and iterate and improve. And I actually see some people improve. And I actually see some people improve. And I actually see some people who are in my field who I don't want to who are in my field who I don't want to who are in my field who I don't want to say I'm jealous cuz that's the wrong say I'm jealous cuz that's the wrong say I'm jealous cuz that's the wrong word, but I envy in a certain way where word, but I envy in a certain way where word, but I envy in a certain way where they go, I just killed it. That show was they go, I just killed it. That show was they go, I just killed it. That show was amazing. That was And I'm like, how do amazing. That was And I'm like, how do amazing. That was And I'm like, how do you believe that? Because I have the you believe that? Because I have the you believe that? Because I have the best show ever. I'm still looking on how best show ever. I'm still looking on how best show ever. I'm still looking on how to polish it, how to make it better, how to polish it, how to make it better, how to polish it, how to make it better, how to improve. You have found such to improve. You have found such to improve. You have found such fulfillment and satisfaction in not fulfillment and satisfaction in not fulfillment and satisfaction in not necessarily mediocrity, but I'm obsessed necessarily mediocrity, but I'm obsessed necessarily mediocrity, but I'm obsessed with being the best ever at what I do. with being the best ever at what I do. with being the best ever at what I do. >> It's very difficult though if you don't >> It's very difficult though if you don't >> It's very difficult though if you don't have that level of intense self-crutiny have that level of intense self-crutiny have that level of intense self-crutiny to become the best ever at what you do. to become the best ever at what you do. to become the best ever at what you do. >> And I might never become the best ever, >> And I might never become the best ever, >> And I might never become the best ever, but if I never stop going for that, I but if I never stop going for that, I but if I never stop going for that, I think I will continuously improve. If think I will continuously improve. If think I will continuously improve. If you had the mentality of someone who was you had the mentality of someone who was you had the mentality of someone who was happy with where they were at or was happy with where they were at or was happy with where they were at or was more grateful. It's interesting that more grateful. It's interesting that more grateful. It's interesting that gratitude and performance a lot of the gratitude and performance a lot of the gratitude and performance a lot of the time a kind of inverse because the time a kind of inverse because the time a kind of inverse because the gratitude helps you to not push so much gratitude helps you to not push so much gratitude helps you to not push so much to not to not to not >> self assess and scrutinize and >> self assess and scrutinize and >> self assess and scrutinize and self-criticize and improve and continue self-criticize and improve and continue self-criticize and improve and continue to sort of exist in that lack. And you to sort of exist in that lack. And you to sort of exist in that lack. And you know this is a a balance I think that a know this is a a balance I think that a know this is a a balance I think that a lot of people are looking at at the lot of people are looking at at the lot of people are looking at at the moment which is well how much do I want moment which is well how much do I want moment which is well how much do I want to have a string of more miserable to have a string of more miserable to have a string of more miserable successes that reach a higher peak successes that reach a higher peak successes that reach a higher peak >> right >> right >> right >> and how much do I want to trade some of >> and how much do I want to trade some of >> and how much do I want to trade some of that in place of being happy right that in place of being happy right that in place of being happy right >> contentment unfortunately by design you >> contentment unfortunately by design you >> contentment unfortunately by design you know it's radical in the modern world know it's radical in the modern world know it's radical in the modern world that's filled with ambition and a that's filled with ambition and a that's filled with ambition and a meritocracy and capitalism and people meritocracy and capitalism and people meritocracy and capitalism and people trying to acquire as much status and a trying to acquire as much status and a trying to acquire as much status and a claim as they can it's radical to say claim as they can it's radical to say claim as they can it's radical to say I'm satisfied like that's one of the I'm satisfied like that's one of the I'm satisfied like that's one of the most radical things that you can It most radical things that you can It most radical things that you can It feels like you're dying. People like, feels like you're dying. People like, feels like you're dying. People like, "What do you do next? What's next?" "What do you do next? What's next?" "What do you do next? What's next?" >> Like, as soon as I do this, even if it's >> Like, as soon as I do this, even if it's >> Like, as soon as I do this, even if it's the biggest moment of my career, this the biggest moment of my career, this the biggest moment of my career, this White House correspondent center, White House correspondent center, White House correspondent center, "What's next?" Be the question you get "What's next?" Be the question you get "What's next?" Be the question you get the next day, the next day, the next day, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> It's very funny how that exists, >> It's very funny how that exists, >> It's very funny how that exists, >> bro. I I whenever middle of December >> bro. I I whenever middle of December >> bro. I I whenever middle of December last year, I didn't know that it was the last year, I didn't know that it was the last year, I didn't know that it was the day that the Spotify charts were going day that the Spotify charts were going day that the Spotify charts were going to drop. And Modern Wisdom was eighth in to drop. And Modern Wisdom was eighth in to drop. And Modern Wisdom was eighth in the world on Spotify. It was amazing for the world on Spotify. It was amazing for the world on Spotify. It was amazing for a bit. And then a bit. And then a bit. And then >> I saw that. I saw you post that. >> I saw that. I saw you post that. >> I saw that. I saw you post that. >> And then >> And then >> And then >> then you started saying, "How do I get >> then you started saying, "How do I get >> then you started saying, "How do I get to seven?" to seven?" to seven?" >> Yeah. You go, "Well, if I'm anything >> Yeah. You go, "Well, if I'm anything >> Yeah. You go, "Well, if I'm anything less than eight next year, if I'm not in less than eight next year, if I'm not in less than eight next year, if I'm not in the top 10, I might as well kill myself, the top 10, I might as well kill myself, the top 10, I might as well kill myself, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And if I'm eight, then it's just about >> And if I'm eight, then it's just about >> And if I'm eight, then it's just about acceptable. If I'm seven, it'll be okay acceptable. If I'm seven, it'll be okay acceptable. If I'm seven, it'll be okay again for a while." again for a while." again for a while." >> And you go that you can see laid out in >> And you go that you can see laid out in >> And you go that you can see laid out in front of you what the hamster wheel front of you what the hamster wheel front of you what the hamster wheel looks like. looks like. looks like. >> It's a hamster wheel, >> It's a hamster wheel, >> It's a hamster wheel, >> correct? >> correct? >> correct? >> And so that's a very funny thing and >> And so that's a very funny thing and >> And so that's a very funny thing and it's very hard to relate to. So, I feel it's very hard to relate to. So, I feel it's very hard to relate to. So, I feel like it's an obnoxious thing for me to like it's an obnoxious thing for me to like it's an obnoxious thing for me to say and you can relate to it, but it's say and you can relate to it, but it's say and you can relate to it, but it's it's that when I'm things are at their it's that when I'm things are at their it's that when I'm things are at their best for me, it's almost it should be best for me, it's almost it should be best for me, it's almost it should be the happiest, but it's almost an inverse the happiest, but it's almost an inverse the happiest, but it's almost an inverse because now you say I can only go down because now you say I can only go down because now you say I can only go down from here. from here. from here. >> Yeah. If you're number one, there's only >> Yeah. If you're number one, there's only >> Yeah. If you're number one, there's only one place to go. one place to go. one place to go. >> There's only one place to go. >> There's only one place to go. >> There's only one place to go. >> The higher you climb is the further you >> The higher you climb is the further you >> The higher you climb is the further you fall, dude. And look, this is this is fall, dude. And look, this is this is fall, dude. And look, this is this is the gold medalist syndrome. Michael the gold medalist syndrome. Michael the gold medalist syndrome. Michael Phelps is kind of the canonic. Look at Phelps is kind of the canonic. Look at Phelps is kind of the canonic. Look at um Tiger Woods, right? um Tiger Woods, right? um Tiger Woods, right? >> Tiger Woods. You the goats. And this >> Tiger Woods. You the goats. And this >> Tiger Woods. You the goats. And this week, he just flipped his car for the week, he just flipped his car for the week, he just flipped his car for the second time. I think he's been in a second time. I think he's been in a second time. I think he's been in a traffic accident that maybe it's because traffic accident that maybe it's because traffic accident that maybe it's because of alcohol or some drugs or maybe, you of alcohol or some drugs or maybe, you of alcohol or some drugs or maybe, you know, something that's going on inside know, something that's going on inside know, something that's going on inside of his mind. Like, do you want like of his mind. Like, do you want like of his mind. Like, do you want like that's the price you need to pay to be that's the price you need to pay to be that's the price you need to pay to be the best in the world. That's the price the best in the world. That's the price the best in the world. That's the price that you need to pay in order to do that you need to pay in order to do that you need to pay in order to do that. And it's a rare time. I was with that. And it's a rare time. I was with that. And it's a rare time. I was with um some guys in Byron Bay on tour and uh um some guys in Byron Bay on tour and uh um some guys in Byron Bay on tour and uh one of them made a really interesting one of them made a really interesting one of them made a really interesting point. He says, "I'm not interested in point. He says, "I'm not interested in point. He says, "I'm not interested in people that are just successful anymore. people that are just successful anymore. people that are just successful anymore. It's like I'm interested in people that It's like I'm interested in people that It's like I'm interested in people that are successful and happy and balanced are successful and happy and balanced are successful and happy and balanced because that's so much rarer." So much because that's so much rarer." So much because that's so much rarer." So much rarer. The success thing is hard, rarer. The success thing is hard, rarer. The success thing is hard, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> But success and happiness is easily >> But success and happiness is easily >> But success and happiness is easily three times harder and the success and three times harder and the success and three times harder and the success and happiness and balance is like 10 times happiness and balance is like 10 times happiness and balance is like 10 times harder than that, harder than that, harder than that, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So yeah, >> So yeah, >> So yeah, >> and I think what I'm seeing as I >> and I think what I'm seeing as I >> and I think what I'm seeing as I continue in life and something that if continue in life and something that if continue in life and something that if you do have children, I don't like judge you do have children, I don't like judge you do have children, I don't like judge it in a certain way, but children it in a certain way, but children it in a certain way, but children instantly give you a sense of your instantly give you a sense of your instantly give you a sense of your mortality. It's there's nothing else mortality. It's there's nothing else mortality. It's there's nothing else that did it for me before and that might that did it for me before and that might that did it for me before and that might be age related, but I don't think it be age related, but I don't think it be age related, but I don't think it was. I think that as soon as you see the was. I think that as soon as you see the was. I think that as soon as you see the next person, you just realize that you next person, you just realize that you next person, you just realize that you are just are just are just >> one day I'll be gone. >> one day I'll be gone. >> one day I'll be gone. 100%. That's so true. You don't really 100%. That's so true. You don't really 100%. That's so true. You don't really see it or feel it as much until you see see it or feel it as much until you see see it or feel it as much until you see someone else who's your continuation. someone else who's your continuation. someone else who's your continuation. >> Who's your continuation? Also, somebody >> Who's your continuation? Also, somebody >> Who's your continuation? Also, somebody that you instantly want them to outlive that you instantly want them to outlive that you instantly want them to outlive you. you. you. >> So, that it's hardwire in your DNA where >> So, that it's hardwire in your DNA where >> So, that it's hardwire in your DNA where when your children, it's this really when your children, it's this really when your children, it's this really crazy thing when they're at a certain crazy thing when they're at a certain crazy thing when they're at a certain age. It's usually between four and five. age. It's usually between four and five. age. It's usually between four and five. They realize death and what death is. They realize death and what death is. They realize death and what death is. And sometimes you get these really like And sometimes you get these really like And sometimes you get these really like just crushing moments where they would just crushing moments where they would just crushing moments where they would say to you, "I don't want to die or I say to you, "I don't want to die or I say to you, "I don't want to die or I don't want grandma to die." And you're don't want grandma to die." And you're don't want grandma to die." And you're like, you don't know what to say because like, you don't know what to say because like, you don't know what to say because we're all going to die unless we get we're all going to die unless we get we're all going to die unless we get uploaded to the cloud. I don't know uploaded to the cloud. I don't know uploaded to the cloud. I don't know what's going to happen, but as of now, I what's going to happen, but as of now, I what's going to happen, but as of now, I don't want you to die either. But you don't want you to die either. But you don't want you to die either. But you have to explain to that person that they have to explain to that person that they have to explain to that person that they will. And they're not going to will. And they're not going to will. And they're not going to understand what that is. And most of us understand what that is. And most of us understand what that is. And most of us don't because we're in a society that don't because we're in a society that don't because we're in a society that really doesn't. We push death away and really doesn't. We push death away and really doesn't. We push death away and we don't really get to experience like I we don't really get to experience like I we don't really get to experience like I have a good friend who's a a palative have a good friend who's a a palative have a good friend who's a a palative nurse who experiences death all the nurse who experiences death all the nurse who experiences death all the time. And for them, it's so different time. And for them, it's so different time. And for them, it's so different because they're really with it. They because they're really with it. They because they're really with it. They they understand it, they see it. But for they understand it, they see it. But for they understand it, they see it. But for us, how often do you see anyone dead? us, how often do you see anyone dead? us, how often do you see anyone dead? like on a one handful I can tell you in like on a one handful I can tell you in like on a one handful I can tell you in my whole life. I just haven't my whole life. I just haven't my whole life. I just haven't experienced somebody seen someone die or experienced somebody seen someone die or experienced somebody seen someone die or seen somebody immediately after they're seen somebody immediately after they're seen somebody immediately after they're dead that's not at a funeral. like dead that's not at a funeral. like dead that's not at a funeral. like literally twice I saw somebody come out literally twice I saw somebody come out literally twice I saw somebody come out of a of a of a lake that had drowned and of a of a of a lake that had drowned and of a of a of a lake that had drowned and it was you know it was like a just a it was you know it was like a just a it was you know it was like a just a shocking thing because in the movies shocking thing because in the movies shocking thing because in the movies it's one thing but it's it's not um it's it's one thing but it's it's not um it's it's one thing but it's it's not um it's not something you experience and knowing not something you experience and knowing not something you experience and knowing that you will die one day I think is a that you will die one day I think is a that you will die one day I think is a liberating thought and it's one of those liberating thought and it's one of those liberating thought and it's one of those things where it takes the edge off of things where it takes the edge off of things where it takes the edge off of when you say failures I go what does it when you say failures I go what does it when you say failures I go what does it matter in 500 years nobody knows who I matter in 500 years nobody knows who I matter in 500 years nobody knows who I am you are any of this and that actually am you are any of this and that actually am you are any of this and that actually feels freeing to me in a certain way feels freeing to me in a certain way feels freeing to me in a certain way >> all of their opinions don't matter in >> all of their opinions don't matter in >> all of their opinions don't matter in any case any case any case >> but that allows me to realize how much >> but that allows me to realize how much >> but that allows me to realize how much stuff that I think right now is a big stuff that I think right now is a big stuff that I think right now is a big deal isn't. And I have this little thing deal isn't. And I have this little thing deal isn't. And I have this little thing I call fast forward your feelings where I call fast forward your feelings where I call fast forward your feelings where I get caught up in anxious moments of I get caught up in anxious moments of I get caught up in anxious moments of things I don't want to do that I dread. things I don't want to do that I dread. things I don't want to do that I dread. And I didn't know what to do with it And I didn't know what to do with it And I didn't know what to do with it because I would just push them off like because I would just push them off like because I would just push them off like the classic procrastination of if I the classic procrastination of if I the classic procrastination of if I don't want to make this call, I'm not don't want to make this call, I'm not don't want to make this call, I'm not going to do it or I'm not going to do going to do it or I'm not going to do going to do it or I'm not going to do I'm going to keep moving my calendar. I'm going to keep moving my calendar. I'm going to keep moving my calendar. And finally, I just decided how bad does And finally, I just decided how bad does And finally, I just decided how bad does this feel right now on a sense of on a this feel right now on a sense of on a this feel right now on a sense of on a scale of 1 to 10? How awful do I feel if scale of 1 to 10? How awful do I feel if scale of 1 to 10? How awful do I feel if I were to do this? And I'm like, uh, I were to do this? And I'm like, uh, I were to do this? And I'm like, uh, like eight or nine. I just really don't like eight or nine. I just really don't like eight or nine. I just really don't want to. Right at that moment, do you want to. Right at that moment, do you want to. Right at that moment, do you know what I do? I set an alarm for 24 know what I do? I set an alarm for 24 know what I do? I set an alarm for 24 hours from today. I force myself just hours from today. I force myself just hours from today. I force myself just like ripping a band-aid, jumping in a like ripping a band-aid, jumping in a like ripping a band-aid, jumping in a pool, set an alarm 24 hours today, and pool, set an alarm 24 hours today, and pool, set an alarm 24 hours today, and write, "How do you feel?" It's my alarm. write, "How do you feel?" It's my alarm. write, "How do you feel?" It's my alarm. And I would do it right then. I would do And I would do it right then. I would do And I would do it right then. I would do the thing I wasn't supposed to, didn't the thing I wasn't supposed to, didn't the thing I wasn't supposed to, didn't want to do right then. I would force want to do right then. I would force want to do right then. I would force myself. Pick up the phone, hit call. myself. Pick up the phone, hit call. myself. Pick up the phone, hit call. [ __ ] don't do. And I would just do it. [ __ ] don't do. And I would just do it. [ __ ] don't do. And I would just do it. And do you know what? When the alarm And do you know what? When the alarm And do you know what? When the alarm went off the next day, if I even went off the next day, if I even went off the next day, if I even remembered it, I would say, "How anxious remembered it, I would say, "How anxious remembered it, I would say, "How anxious do I feel now?" do I feel now?" do I feel now?" >> Two. Yeah. >> Two. Yeah. >> Two. Yeah. >> Not even. And so I decided the same way >> Not even. And so I decided the same way >> Not even. And so I decided the same way that I trick people's brains for a that I trick people's brains for a that I trick people's brains for a living, I'm going to start tricking my living, I'm going to start tricking my living, I'm going to start tricking my own brain. And when I call it fast own brain. And when I call it fast own brain. And when I call it fast forward your feelings, it sounds so forward your feelings, it sounds so forward your feelings, it sounds so stupid, but when I say to it right now, stupid, but when I say to it right now, stupid, but when I say to it right now, I go, I'm going to feel like a two I go, I'm going to feel like a two I go, I'm going to feel like a two tomorrow. I'm going to do it right now. tomorrow. I'm going to do it right now. tomorrow. I'm going to do it right now. And I'm going to feel a two right now And I'm going to feel a two right now And I'm going to feel a two right now instead of an eight because I actually instead of an eight because I actually instead of an eight because I actually am in control of my like mental am in control of my like mental am in control of my like mental disposition. It's just a trick. Your disposition. It's just a trick. Your disposition. It's just a trick. Your mind is just a series of chemicals mind is just a series of chemicals mind is just a series of chemicals that's tricking you to do that. That's that's tricking you to do that. That's that's tricking you to do that. That's what the ultra running taught me. When what the ultra running taught me. When what the ultra running taught me. When your blood sugar goes low when I'm your blood sugar goes low when I'm your blood sugar goes low when I'm running, I go through a checklist of running, I go through a checklist of running, I go through a checklist of what's wrong right now. What's wrong? what's wrong right now. What's wrong? what's wrong right now. What's wrong? And the number one culprit almost always And the number one culprit almost always And the number one culprit almost always is my blood sugar's low. When that is my blood sugar's low. When that is my blood sugar's low. When that happens, I start saying, I want to quit. happens, I start saying, I want to quit. happens, I start saying, I want to quit. I feel terrible. I don't want to do I feel terrible. I don't want to do I feel terrible. I don't want to do this. Boom. Right away, take a ton of this. Boom. Right away, take a ton of this. Boom. Right away, take a ton of calories. See how you feel in five calories. See how you feel in five calories. See how you feel in five minutes. Don't talk to me before that. minutes. Don't talk to me before that. minutes. Don't talk to me before that. Five minutes. Talk to me. And when I say Five minutes. Talk to me. And when I say Five minutes. Talk to me. And when I say me, I mean me to myself. But I just me, I mean me to myself. But I just me, I mean me to myself. But I just realized through these different parts realized through these different parts realized through these different parts of my life what's really going on. I of my life what's really going on. I of my life what's really going on. I >> mean, that's Ross Edgley's thing, right? >> mean, that's Ross Edgley's thing, right? >> mean, that's Ross Edgley's thing, right? Suffering strategically managed. He Suffering strategically managed. He Suffering strategically managed. He looks at the component parts of what it looks at the component parts of what it looks at the component parts of what it is that's making him not feel so good in is that's making him not feel so good in is that's making him not feel so good in the moment. the moment. the moment. >> Smart. He diagnoses diagnostics test >> Smart. He diagnoses diagnostics test >> Smart. He diagnoses diagnostics test like on an engine. And man, I want to like on an engine. And man, I want to like on an engine. And man, I want to meet him. You got to introduce us cuz meet him. You got to introduce us cuz meet him. You got to introduce us cuz I'm a huge fan of that guy. He's a I'm a huge fan of that guy. He's a I'm a huge fan of that guy. He's a [ __ ] man, dude. [ __ ] man, dude. [ __ ] man, dude. >> Just a shout out to Ross. I DM'd him >> Just a shout out to Ross. I DM'd him >> Just a shout out to Ross. I DM'd him once. I'm like, Ross, you're once. I'm like, Ross, you're once. I'm like, Ross, you're unbelievable. He's like, "Thanks, bro. unbelievable. He's like, "Thanks, bro. unbelievable. He's like, "Thanks, bro. Like, you're you're a beast." Well, the Like, you're you're a beast." Well, the Like, you're you're a beast." Well, the most of those guys, at least dudes that most of those guys, at least dudes that most of those guys, at least dudes that are really really pushing themselves, are really really pushing themselves, are really really pushing themselves, there's something deep down that's a there's something deep down that's a there's something deep down that's a there's a kind of a darkness. There's an there's a kind of a darkness. There's an there's a kind of a darkness. There's an edge to them. There's only two guys that edge to them. There's only two guys that edge to them. There's only two guys that I've ever met that haven't had that and I've ever met that haven't had that and I've ever met that haven't had that and are in that world. And one's Nick Bear are in that world. And one's Nick Bear are in that world. And one's Nick Bear from Bear Performance Nutrition. Okay. from Bear Performance Nutrition. Okay. from Bear Performance Nutrition. Okay. >> Uh and the other one's Ross Edgely. And >> Uh and the other one's Ross Edgely. And >> Uh and the other one's Ross Edgely. And I really really tried to push him when I really really tried to push him when I really really tried to push him when we sat down together and then we got to we sat down together and then we got to we sat down together and then we got to hang out afterward. And I'm like trying, hang out afterward. And I'm like trying, hang out afterward. And I'm like trying, you know, trying to negotiate. you know, trying to negotiate. you know, trying to negotiate. >> What are you running away from? What are >> What are you running away from? What are >> What are you running away from? What are you running away from? you running away from? you running away from? >> Yeah. What where's the shadow? And he is >> Yeah. What where's the shadow? And he is >> Yeah. What where's the shadow? And he is just he's just got this big happy hippo just he's just got this big happy hippo just he's just got this big happy hippo energy that I I I couldn't I couldn't energy that I I I couldn't I couldn't energy that I I I couldn't I couldn't find anything. I couldn't see anything find anything. I couldn't see anything find anything. I couldn't see anything there. He just really wants to maximize there. He just really wants to maximize there. He just really wants to maximize his time on this planet. He's really his time on this planet. He's really his time on this planet. He's really excitable and excited about doing excitable and excited about doing excitable and excited about doing things. And uh that's kind of even more things. And uh that's kind of even more things. And uh that's kind of even more terrifying. terrifying. terrifying. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that's kind of even more terrifying that >> that's kind of even more terrifying that >> that's kind of even more terrifying that it's simply just a pos a positive it's simply just a pos a positive it's simply just a pos a positive disposition putting yourself through disposition putting yourself through disposition putting yourself through suffering. So I think we understand the suffering. So I think we understand the suffering. So I think we understand the alchemizing of pain into purpose. But alchemizing of pain into purpose. But alchemizing of pain into purpose. But just just choosing pain without the just just choosing pain without the just just choosing pain without the alchemy thing in that I think is is yeah alchemy thing in that I think is is yeah alchemy thing in that I think is is yeah he's he's he's an animal dude. He's he's he's he's an animal dude. He's he's he's he's an animal dude. He's >> there's so many people that have become >> there's so many people that have become >> there's so many people that have become sober. There's there's like a weird sober. There's there's like a weird sober. There's there's like a weird overlap of people that are sober that overlap of people that are sober that overlap of people that are sober that are now in ultrarunning because you are now in ultrarunning because you are now in ultrarunning because you convert one addiction for another. convert one addiction for another. convert one addiction for another. >> And I'm not saying that's good or bad. I >> And I'm not saying that's good or bad. I >> And I'm not saying that's good or bad. I think it is probably better than think it is probably better than think it is probably better than substance abuse typically to go do substance abuse typically to go do substance abuse typically to go do running even though it's left to be seen running even though it's left to be seen running even though it's left to be seen what damage you're doing. But I think what damage you're doing. But I think what damage you're doing. But I think it's better it's better it's better >> Yeah. to a degree, but uh it is >> Yeah. to a degree, but uh it is >> Yeah. to a degree, but uh it is fascinating how people will want to push fascinating how people will want to push fascinating how people will want to push things to extremes and that you watch things to extremes and that you watch things to extremes and that you watch them and at its at its greatest like them and at its at its greatest like them and at its at its greatest like Alex Hanold who I just admire so much Alex Hanold who I just admire so much Alex Hanold who I just admire so much >> is watching people risk is one thing >> is watching people risk is one thing >> is watching people risk is one thing like I don't want to do that but the like I don't want to do that but the like I don't want to do that but the fact that somebody else does that brings fact that somebody else does that brings fact that somebody else does that brings me tremendous I don't know if I want to me tremendous I don't know if I want to me tremendous I don't know if I want to call it joy because I'm not joyful when call it joy because I'm not joyful when call it joy because I'm not joyful when I watch them do it but just wonder like I watch them do it but just wonder like I watch them do it but just wonder like I I I rewatched Free Solo recently with I I I rewatched Free Solo recently with I I I rewatched Free Solo recently with my kids because we watched the my kids because we watched the my kids because we watched the skyscraper thing and every time I watch skyscraper thing and every time I watch skyscraper thing and every time I watch it, forget about the the the the like it, forget about the the the the like it, forget about the the the the like fact that my hands get sweaty and that I fact that my hands get sweaty and that I fact that my hands get sweaty and that I feel a physical like tremendous feeling feel a physical like tremendous feeling feel a physical like tremendous feeling when I'm watching it. The fact that when I'm watching it. The fact that when I'm watching it. The fact that every mistake is death and that you're every mistake is death and that you're every mistake is death and that you're watching it and I know he's not going to watching it and I know he's not going to watching it and I know he's not going to die, so why am I so nervous? die, so why am I so nervous? die, so why am I so nervous? >> But just the fact that you're willing to >> But just the fact that you're willing to >> But just the fact that you're willing to commit to something like that and that commit to something like that and that commit to something like that and that there's people in the world inspires me. there's people in the world inspires me. there's people in the world inspires me. It's like that wow people will take It's like that wow people will take It's like that wow people will take something and just go for it. It it's I something and just go for it. It it's I something and just go for it. It it's I think that's what we want is to be think that's what we want is to be think that's what we want is to be inspired. inspired. inspired. >> Unreal. So coming up next, White House, >> Unreal. So coming up next, White House, >> Unreal. So coming up next, White House, then Netflix special. Two big things. then Netflix special. Two big things. then Netflix special. Two big things. >> The two big things and a few shows. I'm >> The two big things and a few shows. I'm >> The two big things and a few shows. I'm starting to tour. So for the last like starting to tour. So for the last like starting to tour. So for the last like 10 years, I've been mostly a corporate 10 years, I've been mostly a corporate 10 years, I've been mostly a corporate act. If you saw me was at corporate act. If you saw me was at corporate act. If you saw me was at corporate events, but now I'm doing more and more events, but now I'm doing more and more events, but now I'm doing more and more public shows. And I want to try one more public shows. And I want to try one more public shows. And I want to try one more thing with you. thing with you. thing with you. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I leave you on a high note. >> I leave you on a high note. >> I leave you on a high note. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> I walked in here, right? Beautiful >> I walked in here, right? Beautiful >> I walked in here, right? Beautiful studio. studio. studio. >> Thanks. >> Thanks. >> Thanks. >> We shook hands. You hit me up with some >> We shook hands. You hit me up with some >> We shook hands. You hit me up with some delicious drinks, by the way. delicious drinks, by the way. delicious drinks, by the way. >> It's good. >> It's good. >> It's good. >> And I said to you that the same way I >> And I said to you that the same way I >> And I said to you that the same way I asked you, how many podcasts I want to asked you, how many podcasts I want to asked you, how many podcasts I want to go through this? How many episodes have go through this? How many episodes have go through this? How many episodes have you had as this podcast? you had as this podcast? you had as this podcast? >> 1,100. >> 1,100. >> 1,100. >> So 1,100 moments that hopefully have >> So 1,100 moments that hopefully have >> So 1,100 moments that hopefully have given people modern wisdom. That was the given people modern wisdom. That was the given people modern wisdom. That was the name of it, right? Successful, name of it, right? Successful, name of it, right? Successful, interesting people. Find out what makes interesting people. Find out what makes interesting people. Find out what makes them tick. All of that sum total has them tick. All of that sum total has them tick. All of that sum total has gotten you to be here from February gotten you to be here from February gotten you to be here from February 23rd, 1988 to today. So I want you to 23rd, 1988 to today. So I want you to 23rd, 1988 to today. So I want you to close your eyes, okay? And I want you to close your eyes, okay? And I want you to close your eyes, okay? And I want you to imagine that you could hop into a time imagine that you could hop into a time imagine that you could hop into a time machine. But the time machine is to go machine. But the time machine is to go machine. But the time machine is to go through your own life as if you could through your own life as if you could through your own life as if you could rewind the same way people say in their rewind the same way people say in their rewind the same way people say in their last moments they get to see their life. last moments they get to see their life. last moments they get to see their life. And if I were to say to you to zip back And if I were to say to you to zip back And if I were to say to you to zip back in time and look into the face of in time and look into the face of in time and look into the face of someone who for whatever reason, and someone who for whatever reason, and someone who for whatever reason, and this is only in the eye of the beholder, this is only in the eye of the beholder, this is only in the eye of the beholder, impacted you in some way. This could be impacted you in some way. This could be impacted you in some way. This could be great, this could be small, this could great, this could be small, this could great, this could be small, this could be recent, this could be years ago. I be recent, this could be years ago. I be recent, this could be years ago. I prefer I I would say not this year prefer I I would say not this year prefer I I would say not this year because it's too poignant. There's a because it's too poignant. There's a because it's too poignant. There's a recency bias. If you just pick a recent recency bias. If you just pick a recent recency bias. If you just pick a recent guest and you say, "Oh, I spoke to Sam guest and you say, "Oh, I spoke to Sam guest and you say, "Oh, I spoke to Sam Harris or Tristan Harris." No good. I Harris or Tristan Harris." No good. I Harris or Tristan Harris." No good. I don't like that. don't like that. don't like that. >> I want you, this is more of a right >> I want you, this is more of a right >> I want you, this is more of a right brain exercise at first to see if you brain exercise at first to see if you brain exercise at first to see if you can visualize that person's face. Can can visualize that person's face. Can can visualize that person's face. Can you see? you see? you see? >> You want someone from the show? >> You want someone from the show? >> You want someone from the show? >> No. No. I'm so sorry. I had nothing to >> No. No. I'm so sorry. I had nothing to >> No. No. I'm so sorry. I had nothing to do with the show. I That's not That's do with the show. I That's not That's do with the show. I That's not That's not the way. No, I want to make sure. not the way. No, I want to make sure. not the way. No, I want to make sure. It's someone that had an impact on you. It's someone that had an impact on you. It's someone that had an impact on you. I don't know why, what, or how. I don't know why, what, or how. I don't know why, what, or how. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Open your eyes. Now, when I did this, right, and I had Now, when I did this, right, and I had you think of someone's name, and now I you think of someone's name, and now I you think of someone's name, and now I had you think of their face. had you think of their face. had you think of their face. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Someone popped in your head initially. I >> Someone popped in your head initially. I >> Someone popped in your head initially. I know. know. know. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And you go, I don't know whether you >> And you go, I don't know whether you >> And you go, I don't know whether you said to yourself, that's too obvious of said to yourself, that's too obvious of said to yourself, that's too obvious of a choice or I don't know what, but a choice or I don't know what, but a choice or I don't know what, but always you think of someone and there's always you think of someone and there's always you think of someone and there's a hesitation and you go, should I do a hesitation and you go, should I do a hesitation and you go, should I do that person? It's just that should I? that person? It's just that should I? that person? It's just that should I? And then you switched. And then you switched. And then you switched. >> I believe this is very funny because I >> I believe this is very funny because I >> I believe this is very funny because I can't explain why, but it's the can't explain why, but it's the can't explain why, but it's the difference in body language. I think you difference in body language. I think you difference in body language. I think you switched genders. I think you started switched genders. I think you started switched genders. I think you started with a female and went to a guy. Am I with a female and went to a guy. Am I with a female and went to a guy. Am I correct? correct? correct? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I could tell. I could tell because if it >> I could tell. I could tell because if it >> I could tell. I could tell because if it was two women or two guys, the reactions was two women or two guys, the reactions was two women or two guys, the reactions are similar. You say you asked me about are similar. You say you asked me about are similar. You say you asked me about like lie detection. I can tell when like lie detection. I can tell when like lie detection. I can tell when things are different. Yep. things are different. Yep. things are different. Yep. >> Rather than knowing if they're true or >> Rather than knowing if they're true or >> Rather than knowing if they're true or false, but true and false are different. false, but true and false are different. false, but true and false are different. All right, let's try this. The female. All right, let's try this. The female. All right, let's try this. The female. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> The female. I'm gonna get something. You >> The female. I'm gonna get something. You >> The female. I'm gonna get something. You know what? >> Think back in time >> Think back in time >> and I'm gonna put you on the spot here. >> and I'm gonna put you on the spot here. >> and I'm gonna put you on the spot here. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> Rewind. Rewind to I don't know when this >> Rewind. Rewind to I don't know when this >> Rewind. Rewind to I don't know when this was. So if you were to put a time stamp, was. So if you were to put a time stamp, was. So if you were to put a time stamp, if we had a pin if we had a pin if we had a pin >> now, if it was if I asked you an >> now, if it was if I asked you an >> now, if it was if I asked you an anniversary, you'd know the day, month, anniversary, you'd know the day, month, anniversary, you'd know the day, month, and year. and year. and year. >> If if it's more wishy-washy, like I >> If if it's more wishy-washy, like I >> If if it's more wishy-washy, like I played cricket and uh it was like a few played cricket and uh it was like a few played cricket and uh it was like a few years. Is this years. Is this years. Is this >> a month, day, and year? A year, a month, >> a month, day, and year? A year, a month, >> a month, day, and year? A year, a month, and year? Like give me some sort of and year? Like give me some sort of and year? Like give me some sort of categorization. categorization. categorization. >> Uh with the female, >> Uh with the female, >> Uh with the female, >> whatever it was. Yeah. I don't >> whatever it was. Yeah. I don't >> whatever it was. Yeah. I don't >> Yeah. With the with the first person, uh >> Yeah. With the with the first person, uh >> Yeah. With the with the first person, uh it would be a year. it would be a year. it would be a year. >> A year. >> A year. >> A year. >> Yeah. So one's a year. Now you you the >> Yeah. So one's a year. Now you you the >> Yeah. So one's a year. Now you you the fact that you even said that means with fact that you even said that means with fact that you even said that means with the female means that it's different the female means that it's different the female means that it's different with the male. With the male, what would with the male. With the male, what would with the male. With the male, what would it have been? it have been? it have been? >> Month and year. >> Month and year. >> Month and year. >> Month and year. That's more details. >> Month and year. That's more details. >> Month and year. That's more details. Let's go with that. Yep. Let's go with that. Yep. Let's go with that. Yep. >> That sounds fun. >> That sounds fun. >> That sounds fun. >> Think back in time. So it's 2026. I know >> Think back in time. So it's 2026. I know >> Think back in time. So it's 2026. I know you're born in ' 88. So we'll go back you're born in ' 88. So we'll go back you're born in ' 88. So we'll go back from the time machine forward. You from the time machine forward. You from the time machine forward. You probably don't remember the first 10 probably don't remember the first 10 probably don't remember the first 10 years of your life as vividly. Maybe you years of your life as vividly. Maybe you years of your life as vividly. Maybe you do. So 90s, do. So 90s, do. So 90s, >> the as or the zeros, we don't call them >> the as or the zeros, we don't call them >> the as or the zeros, we don't call them the teens. You laughed. It's in the as the teens. You laughed. It's in the as the teens. You laughed. It's in the as come on. That was too easy. Think odd or come on. That was too easy. Think odd or come on. That was too easy. Think odd or even. Odd or even. Odd or even. Odd or even. Odd or even. Odd or even. Odd or even. Odd or even. Odd or even. Odd or even. Now you get confused if it was even. Now you get confused if it was even. Now you get confused if it was 2000 or 2010 because you don't know if 2000 or 2010 because you don't know if 2000 or 2010 because you don't know if zero is even or odd. So I'm like torn. I zero is even or odd. So I'm like torn. I zero is even or odd. So I'm like torn. I think it was an odd number. Was it an think it was an odd number. Was it an think it was an odd number. Was it an odd number? odd number? odd number? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. 2007, wasn't it? >> Yeah. 2007, wasn't it? >> Yeah. 2007, wasn't it? >> Am I right? >> Am I right? >> Am I right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I want to make sure that the person >> I want to make sure that the person >> I want to make sure that the person watching this now who's skeptical, who watching this now who's skeptical, who watching this now who's skeptical, who says, "Oh, he must have researched says, "Oh, he must have researched says, "Oh, he must have researched this." Now, here's what I would say to this." Now, here's what I would say to this." Now, here's what I would say to that. If I had asked you to think of that. If I had asked you to think of that. If I had asked you to think of your third grade teacher, then maybe I your third grade teacher, then maybe I your third grade teacher, then maybe I could have found out your third grade could have found out your third grade could have found out your third grade teacher in advance, right? Let's be teacher in advance, right? Let's be teacher in advance, right? Let's be skeptical. But I want to make sure you skeptical. But I want to make sure you skeptical. But I want to make sure you understand there's no way to research understand there's no way to research understand there's no way to research real time thoughts because you could real time thoughts because you could real time thoughts because you could have thought of anything. I didn't tell have thought of anything. I didn't tell have thought of anything. I didn't tell you. You completely decided where we you. You completely decided where we you. You completely decided where we would go. Are we in agreement? Yeah. would go. Are we in agreement? Yeah. would go. Are we in agreement? Yeah. >> And you even changed your mind. Yeah. I >> And you even changed your mind. Yeah. I >> And you even changed your mind. Yeah. I didn't tell you. You changed your mind. didn't tell you. You changed your mind. didn't tell you. You changed your mind. Think beginning, middle, end. I'm going Think beginning, middle, end. I'm going Think beginning, middle, end. I'm going to go. You can't see the camera behind to go. You can't see the camera behind to go. You can't see the camera behind me, right? Mhm. Let me ask you a question. Why do you Let me ask you a question. Why do you know the month? Why do you know the know the month? Why do you know the know the month? Why do you know the month? month? month? >> Because when I met this person, I >> Because when I met this person, I >> Because when I met this person, I remember where I'd moved into. remember where I'd moved into. remember where I'd moved into. >> Yes. That's why I thought that's why I >> Yes. That's why I thought that's why I >> Yes. That's why I thought that's why I went with this because I thought it was went with this because I thought it was went with this because I thought it was something to do. Okay. What month was something to do. Okay. What month was something to do. Okay. What month was it? it? it? >> September. >> September. >> September. >> September is what I thought. That's >> September is what I thought. That's >> September is what I thought. That's exactly right. It was in the fall. exactly right. It was in the fall. exactly right. It was in the fall. >> Mhm. >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> The the the woman strikes me as somebody >> The the the woman strikes me as somebody >> The the the woman strikes me as somebody where could you could you have done your where could you could you have done your where could you could you have done your mother? Of course, but that's too mother? Of course, but that's too mother? Of course, but that's too impactful. Versus impactful. Versus impactful. Versus I think it was a teacher. It's a I think it was a teacher. It's a I think it was a teacher. It's a teacher. Am I right? And now when I said teacher. Am I right? And now when I said teacher. Am I right? And now when I said third grade teacher, you got kind of third grade teacher, you got kind of third grade teacher, you got kind of tense about it. I don't know which year tense about it. I don't know which year tense about it. I don't know which year it's for, it's for, it's for, >> but um >> but um >> but um >> was this a a favorite teacher or not so >> was this a a favorite teacher or not so >> was this a a favorite teacher or not so favorite? favorite? favorite? >> Favorite. >> Favorite. >> Favorite. >> Favorite. Y >> Favorite. Y >> Favorite. Y >> the guy that you're thinking of, think >> the guy that you're thinking of, think >> the guy that you're thinking of, think of his first name. of his first name. of his first name. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Think of any letter in his first name. >> Think of any letter in his first name. >> Think of any letter in his first name. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right. All of the alphabet. Think of >> Right. All of the alphabet. Think of >> Right. All of the alphabet. Think of that one letter right now. You didn't do that one letter right now. You didn't do that one letter right now. You didn't do the first letter, did you? the first letter, did you? the first letter, did you? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> You were like, I don't want to do that. >> You were like, I don't want to do that. >> You were like, I don't want to do that. That's going to be a giveaway. That's going to be a giveaway. That's going to be a giveaway. >> And then most people will avoid vowels >> And then most people will avoid vowels >> And then most people will avoid vowels in names. They because they just think in names. They because they just think in names. They because they just think every name has a vowel. So, I'm kind of every name has a vowel. So, I'm kind of every name has a vowel. So, I'm kind of limiting myself. But I don't know if you limiting myself. But I don't know if you limiting myself. But I don't know if you did that. I think you probably did. Did did that. I think you probably did. Did did that. I think you probably did. Did you think of a vowel? Yeah. you think of a vowel? Yeah. you think of a vowel? Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you you you you kind of knew >> Yeah. So, you you you you kind of knew >> Yeah. So, you you you you kind of knew that and you went against me. that and you went against me. that and you went against me. >> Are you thinking of letter A? >> Are you thinking of letter A? >> Are you thinking of letter A? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> [ __ ] >> I feel like >> I feel like >> I feel like >> think of his last name. >> think of his last name. >> think of his last name. Are you thinking of it? Are you thinking of it? Are you thinking of it? >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> There's some sort of >> There's some sort of >> There's some sort of There's some sort of judgment here. >> The last name is Is it hyphenated? >> The last name is Is it hyphenated? That's why you thought of two different That's why you thought of two different That's why you thought of two different people. Oh my goodness. people. Oh my goodness. people. Oh my goodness. >> It's hyphenated. >> It's hyphenated. >> It's hyphenated. >> It's hyphenated. Yeah. You're like, >> It's hyphenated. Yeah. You're like, >> It's hyphenated. Yeah. You're like, "Yeah, he didn't take the mom's, the "Yeah, he didn't take the mom's, the "Yeah, he didn't take the mom's, the dad's name." You know, I'm going to go dad's name." You know, I'm going to go dad's name." You know, I'm going to go with this. I [laughter] I can't tell you anything. I might not I can't tell you anything. I might not have spelled this right there. Ask have spelled this right there. Ask have spelled this right there. Ask yourself this question. Tell your yourself this question. Tell your yourself this question. Tell your audience right now. Before I walked in audience right now. Before I walked in audience right now. Before I walked in this room, had we ever spoken? Had we this room, had we ever spoken? Had we this room, had we ever spoken? Had we ever set up? Is this is this did have ever set up? Is this is this did have ever set up? Is this is this did have you written this down on a piece of you written this down on a piece of you written this down on a piece of paper somewhere? Is this in your phone? paper somewhere? Is this in your phone? paper somewhere? Is this in your phone? Did you Is there any way in the world I Did you Is there any way in the world I Did you Is there any way in the world I could have gone on Instagram, Facebook, could have gone on Instagram, Facebook, could have gone on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and found this out? 1% or 0%. Twitter, and found this out? 1% or 0%. Twitter, and found this out? 1% or 0%. >> 0%. >> 0%. >> 0%. >> Who' you think of? What's this guy's >> Who' you think of? What's this guy's >> Who' you think of? What's this guy's name? name? name? >> Dave Gardner Chan. >> Dave Gardner Chan. >> Dave Gardner Chan. >> Dave Gardner Chan. >> Dave Gardner Chan. >> Dave Gardner Chan. >> [ __ ] you, dude. [laughter] No. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You need to be locked up. >> You need to be locked up. >> You need to be locked up. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. And then the best part, the best part is And then the best part, the best part is And then the best part, the best part is the alleyoop. It's right at the end, the alleyoop. It's right at the end, the alleyoop. It's right at the end, which is come on over. I always like to which is come on over. I always like to which is come on over. I always like to do this. You changed your mind. That is do this. You changed your mind. That is do this. You changed your mind. That is the gold standard for this. The gold the gold standard for this. The gold the gold standard for this. The gold standard is you think of something and standard is you think of something and standard is you think of something and at the last moment you go, I'm going to at the last moment you go, I'm going to at the last moment you go, I'm going to change my mind. Right? Because that change my mind. Right? Because that change my mind. Right? Because that shows it's real. That's the moment. If shows it's real. That's the moment. If shows it's real. That's the moment. If you change your mind, shake my hand. Go you change your mind, shake my hand. Go you change your mind, shake my hand. Go back in time. How old were you? This back in time. How old were you? This back in time. How old were you? This teacher, give me a guess. How old were teacher, give me a guess. How old were teacher, give me a guess. How old were you roughly? Give me a guess. Mrs. you roughly? Give me a guess. Mrs. you roughly? Give me a guess. Mrs. Wilkinson, right? Wilkinson, right? Wilkinson, right? >> [ __ ] you. [laughter] [laughter] >> Jesus Christ. >> Jesus Christ. >> Jesus Christ. I feel like I feel like prey in water. I feel like I feel like prey in water. I feel like I feel like prey in water. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> I feel like prey in water and you're a >> I feel like prey in water and you're a >> I feel like prey in water and you're a shark. This is shark. This is shark. This is >> I don't know if you knew this. I >> I don't know if you knew this. I >> I don't know if you knew this. I couldn't do any of this before I arrived couldn't do any of this before I arrived couldn't do any of this before I arrived here. It's just because I've been here. It's just because I've been here. It's just because I've been drinking Newtonic. That's the only way. drinking Newtonic. That's the only way. drinking Newtonic. That's the only way. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Bingo. I knew there was an ad read. >> Bingo. I knew there was an ad read. >> Bingo. I knew there was an ad read. That's the triple hitter. Forget That's the triple hitter. Forget That's the triple hitter. Forget guessing the names, dude. It's the guessing the names, dude. It's the guessing the names, dude. It's the [ __ ] ad read at the end. Bro, you're [ __ ] ad read at the end. Bro, you're [ __ ] ad read at the end. Bro, you're amazing. This is amazing. This is amazing. This is >> Appreciate you. Long time coming, my >> Appreciate you. Long time coming, my >> Appreciate you. Long time coming, my friend. I'm super good luck. I can't friend. I'm super good luck. I can't friend. I'm super good luck. I can't wait to see what the Donald does in wait to see what the Donald does in wait to see what the Donald does in response to this. response to this. response to this. >> Me, too. If he punches you in the face, >> Me, too. If he punches you in the face, >> Me, too. If he punches you in the face, that'll make headlines. that'll make headlines. that'll make headlines. >> Love that. >> Love that. >> Love that. >> It's great. It's great press. >> It's great. It's great press. >> It's great. It's great press. >> That would be heaven, >> That would be heaven, >> That would be heaven, >> dude. You roll. >> dude. You roll. >> dude. You roll. >> Appreciate you, man. Thanks for having >> Appreciate you, man. Thanks for having >> Appreciate you, man. Thanks for having >> All right. Goodbye, everybody. >> All right. Goodbye, everybody. >> All right. Goodbye, everybody. >> Bro, you're the man. >> Bro, you're the man. >> Bro, you're the man. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much for tuning in. If >> Thank you very much for tuning in. If >> Thank you very much for tuning in. If you enjoyed that episode, YouTube knows you enjoyed that episode, YouTube knows you enjoyed that episode, YouTube knows who you are deeply. 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