How Elon Achieves the Impossible - Eric Jorgenson

How many copies of the Naval Manac have How many copies of the Naval Manac have you sold now? you sold now? you sold now? >> It's tough to know, but I think we're >> It's tough to know, but I think we're >> It's tough to know, but I think we're coming up on two million. coming up on two million. coming up on two million. >> How's that feel? >> How's that feel? >> How's that feel? >> I'm still uh the word I like to use is >> I'm still uh the word I like to use is >> I'm still uh the word I like to use is gobsmacked. Like I really thought I was gobsmacked. Like I really thought I was gobsmacked. Like I really thought I was doing fan service for a few thousand doing fan service for a few thousand doing fan service for a few thousand naval nerds. naval nerds. naval nerds. >> And the fact that that's like 40 >> And the fact that that's like 40 >> And the fact that that's like 40 languages and millions of people and languages and millions of people and languages and millions of people and we've given away a few million more, we've given away a few million more, we've given away a few million more, right? Like I don't even really know. right? Like I don't even really know. right? Like I don't even really know. >> Oh, so that's how many were sold cuz it >> Oh, so that's how many were sold cuz it >> Oh, so that's how many were sold cuz it was available for free through the was available for free through the was available for free through the website. website. website. >> Yeah. Which is another like 5 million >> Yeah. Which is another like 5 million >> Yeah. Which is another like 5 million plus. Really hard to track. I think it's plus. Really hard to track. I think it's plus. Really hard to track. I think it's my most suggested book when people say my most suggested book when people say my most suggested book when people say where should I start with personal where should I start with personal where should I start with personal development essentialism by Greg Mchuan development essentialism by Greg Mchuan development essentialism by Greg Mchuan or the Nalanac that's incredible and or the Nalanac that's incredible and or the Nalanac that's incredible and that's I mean I had no idea how many that's I mean I had no idea how many that's I mean I had no idea how many people were going to resonate with it people were going to resonate with it people were going to resonate with it and recommend it and you know I think and recommend it and you know I think and recommend it and you know I think the highest compliment a gift uh the the highest compliment a gift uh the the highest compliment a gift uh the highest compliment a book can receive is highest compliment a book can receive is highest compliment a book can receive is to be gifted. to be gifted. to be gifted. >> Um and so much of what we read comes >> Um and so much of what we read comes >> Um and so much of what we read comes from what's recommended. Like how often from what's recommended. Like how often from what's recommended. Like how often do you see an ad for a book and buy it? do you see an ad for a book and buy it? do you see an ad for a book and buy it? Like almost never. Like almost never. Like almost never. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The bars are too high. >> The bars are too high. >> The bars are too high. >> Yeah. And the subtitle of this new one >> Yeah. And the subtitle of this new one >> Yeah. And the subtitle of this new one is a guide to purpose and success about is a guide to purpose and success about is a guide to purpose and success about Elon. Why pick that? Why purpose Elon. Why pick that? Why purpose Elon. Why pick that? Why purpose specifically? specifically? specifically? >> It was it's emergent. I mean, when I >> It was it's emergent. I mean, when I >> It was it's emergent. I mean, when I write these books, I start with millions write these books, I start with millions write these books, I start with millions and millions of words of source and millions of words of source and millions of words of source material, everything they've ever shared material, everything they've ever shared material, everything they've ever shared publicly. And I try to figure out like publicly. And I try to figure out like publicly. And I try to figure out like what is the essence of the person? What what is the essence of the person? What what is the essence of the person? What is the thing that is most special about is the thing that is most special about is the thing that is most special about them that anybody can learn from? And we them that anybody can learn from? And we them that anybody can learn from? And we all know that Elon is like massively all know that Elon is like massively all know that Elon is like massively productive. I feel like the question productive. I feel like the question productive. I feel like the question everybody's asking is kind of like how everybody's asking is kind of like how everybody's asking is kind of like how the hell did this happen? Like how does the hell did this happen? Like how does the hell did this happen? Like how does he get so much done, he get so much done, he get so much done, >> but what I didn't realize until way into >> but what I didn't realize until way into >> but what I didn't realize until way into the process is that purpose was the the process is that purpose was the the process is that purpose was the other pillar. So I knew I wanted to know other pillar. So I knew I wanted to know other pillar. So I knew I wanted to know like how does he win? But I didn't know like how does he win? But I didn't know like how does he win? But I didn't know to the extent that purpose was a big to the extent that purpose was a big to the extent that purpose was a big part of why he wins and that is actually part of why he wins and that is actually part of why he wins and that is actually he has some really incredible answers he has some really incredible answers he has some really incredible answers for for for what do I do? What's important? How do I what do I do? What's important? How do I what do I do? What's important? How do I choose what's important? M yeah I think choose what's important? M yeah I think choose what's important? M yeah I think everyone looks and just assumes tactics everyone looks and just assumes tactics everyone looks and just assumes tactics raw tactics. Yeah, raw tactics. Yeah, raw tactics. Yeah, >> but if there's something bigger driving >> but if there's something bigger driving >> but if there's something bigger driving that uh Teal says about Elon, he seems that uh Teal says about Elon, he seems that uh Teal says about Elon, he seems to know something that the about risk to know something that the about risk to know something that the about risk that the rest of us do not. What do you that the rest of us do not. What do you that the rest of us do not. What do you think that thing is? think that thing is? think that thing is? >> Yeah, I mean I think Elon is risk on >> Yeah, I mean I think Elon is risk on >> Yeah, I mean I think Elon is risk on like he takes risks that he shouldn't like he takes risks that he shouldn't like he takes risks that he shouldn't take. He's inherently biased towards take. He's inherently biased towards take. He's inherently biased towards risk, but the number of times that that risk, but the number of times that that risk, but the number of times that that pays off, I think, reveals and puts in pays off, I think, reveals and puts in pays off, I think, reveals and puts in Teal's context, like Teal is a risk Teal's context, like Teal is a risk Teal's context, like Teal is a risk manager and Elon is a risk taker. And manager and Elon is a risk taker. And manager and Elon is a risk taker. And when you combine that with purpose, the when you combine that with purpose, the when you combine that with purpose, the fact that like Elon is on these fact that like Elon is on these fact that like Elon is on these missions, he's trying to accomplish missions, he's trying to accomplish missions, he's trying to accomplish something and he almost doesn't care how something and he almost doesn't care how something and he almost doesn't care how much risk it takes. He'll just keep much risk it takes. He'll just keep much risk it takes. He'll just keep taking chances and keep taking chances taking chances and keep taking chances taking chances and keep taking chances until he breaks through. And you know, until he breaks through. And you know, until he breaks through. And you know, he's got this amazing quote, um, failure he's got this amazing quote, um, failure he's got this amazing quote, um, failure is irrelevant unless it's catastrophic. is irrelevant unless it's catastrophic. is irrelevant unless it's catastrophic. >> And I think that's a really good way to >> And I think that's a really good way to >> And I think that's a really good way to sort of explain that attitude towards sort of explain that attitude towards sort of explain that attitude towards risk of like, I I just don't care how risk of like, I I just don't care how risk of like, I I just don't care how low my chances are. I don't care how low my chances are. I don't care how low my chances are. I don't care how long the odds are. I'm just going to long the odds are. I'm just going to long the odds are. I'm just going to keep going until I die because this is keep going until I die because this is keep going until I die because this is important enough to keep working on. important enough to keep working on. important enough to keep working on. >> And that explains why the purpose piece >> And that explains why the purpose piece >> And that explains why the purpose piece is crucial because that's what would is crucial because that's what would is crucial because that's what would keep you pushing through. keep you pushing through. keep you pushing through. >> Yes. There's so many times that he has >> Yes. There's so many times that he has >> Yes. There's so many times that he has done things that seem insane from like a done things that seem insane from like a done things that seem insane from like a financial motivation point of view or financial motivation point of view or financial motivation point of view or I'm trying to build a business or and I'm trying to build a business or and I'm trying to build a business or and it's because he's driven by these it's because he's driven by these it's because he's driven by these massive purposes and he has this risk massive purposes and he has this risk massive purposes and he has this risk tolerance and the combination of those tolerance and the combination of those tolerance and the combination of those things I think is what you know pushes things I think is what you know pushes things I think is what you know pushes him like these two opportunities Tesla him like these two opportunities Tesla him like these two opportunities Tesla and SpaceX being the biggest were were and SpaceX being the biggest were were and SpaceX being the biggest were were on nobody's radar. He looked absurd when on nobody's radar. He looked absurd when on nobody's radar. He looked absurd when he undertook them and he put hundreds of he undertook them and he put hundreds of he undertook them and he put hundreds of millions of dollars on the line to millions of dollars on the line to millions of dollars on the line to achieve these things because he was achieve these things because he was achieve these things because he was purpose- driven even though the odds purpose- driven even though the odds purpose- driven even though the odds were long and the risk was high. were long and the risk was high. were long and the risk was high. Is he that singular of an individual? Is he that singular of an individual? Is he that singular of an individual? Obviously SpaceX impressive, Tesla Obviously SpaceX impressive, Tesla Obviously SpaceX impressive, Tesla impressive, Doge kind of cool being on impressive, Doge kind of cool being on impressive, Doge kind of cool being on stage, Trump campaign, Twitter X, rahrh, stage, Trump campaign, Twitter X, rahrh, stage, Trump campaign, Twitter X, rahrh, you know, how just how impressive is he you know, how just how impressive is he you know, how just how impressive is he or how singular is he as an individual? or how singular is he as an individual? or how singular is he as an individual? I I think he's pretty singular. Like, do I I think he's pretty singular. Like, do I I think he's pretty singular. Like, do you not? you not? you not? >> Yeah, I do. But a lot of people that are >> Yeah, I do. But a lot of people that are >> Yeah, I do. But a lot of people that are detractors have found a way to say detractors have found a way to say detractors have found a way to say actually it's more to do with leverage actually it's more to do with leverage actually it's more to do with leverage and ridiculous risk tolerance and just and ridiculous risk tolerance and just and ridiculous risk tolerance and just sort of blowing through the boundaries sort of blowing through the boundaries sort of blowing through the boundaries that other people wouldn't. It's to do that other people wouldn't. It's to do that other people wouldn't. It's to do with uh lack of with uh lack of with uh lack of uh scruples and being able to push uh scruples and being able to push uh scruples and being able to push through ethics that other people might through ethics that other people might through ethics that other people might find squirrely. Uh, where do you see the find squirrely. Uh, where do you see the find squirrely. Uh, where do you see the big competitive advantages for him big competitive advantages for him big competitive advantages for him coming from? coming from? coming from? >> I think he's the greatest living >> I think he's the greatest living >> I think he's the greatest living entrepreneur, hard stop, and maybe the entrepreneur, hard stop, and maybe the entrepreneur, hard stop, and maybe the greatest of all time. Uh, the fact that greatest of all time. Uh, the fact that greatest of all time. Uh, the fact that he did Tesla and SpaceX, which are both he did Tesla and SpaceX, which are both he did Tesla and SpaceX, which are both would both be singular accomplishments would both be singular accomplishments would both be singular accomplishments and put him on like top 10 if not Mount and put him on like top 10 if not Mount and put him on like top 10 if not Mount Rushmore. The fact that he did them both Rushmore. The fact that he did them both Rushmore. The fact that he did them both at the same time is unbelievable. ads at the same time is unbelievable. ads at the same time is unbelievable. ads after PayPal and after Zip 2 as a young after PayPal and after Zip 2 as a young after PayPal and after Zip 2 as a young young guy like and then just like sort young guy like and then just like sort young guy like and then just like sort of on the side XAI boring company of on the side XAI boring company of on the side XAI boring company Neurolink like Doge if you want to Neurolink like Doge if you want to Neurolink like Doge if you want to include that as like a project um include that as like a project um include that as like a project um absolutely singular I mean and and lots absolutely singular I mean and and lots absolutely singular I mean and and lots of game left right like he's only 55 not of game left right like he's only 55 not of game left right like he's only 55 not quite quite quite >> like he might have 20 more years like >> like he might have 20 more years like >> like he might have 20 more years like where does this go in 20 more years um where does this go in 20 more years um where does this go in 20 more years um it's unbelievable I mean the combination it's unbelievable I mean the combination it's unbelievable I mean the combination of traits that I think he has. And this of traits that I think he has. And this of traits that I think he has. And this is not to like I know that I will be is not to like I know that I will be is not to like I know that I will be accused like through this book and this accused like through this book and this accused like through this book and this episode and everything of like lionizing episode and everything of like lionizing episode and everything of like lionizing and overlooking the bad traits that that and overlooking the bad traits that that and overlooking the bad traits that that you listed. And there are plenty like you listed. And there are plenty like you listed. And there are plenty like there's dark sides to every advantage. there's dark sides to every advantage. there's dark sides to every advantage. >> Um but he's got like the intensity of >> Um but he's got like the intensity of >> Um but he's got like the intensity of David Gogggins. Like just raw. David Gogggins. Like just raw. David Gogggins. Like just raw. >> It's not the physique. >> It's not the physique. >> It's not the physique. >> Yeah. Not not quite the physique >> Yeah. Not not quite the physique >> Yeah. Not not quite the physique >> or the skin tone. >> or the skin tone. >> or the skin tone. >> There are many differences between Elon >> There are many differences between Elon >> There are many differences between Elon Musk and David Gogggins. Um, but he's Musk and David Gogggins. Um, but he's Musk and David Gogggins. Um, but he's got the intensity of David Gogggins, the got the intensity of David Gogggins, the got the intensity of David Gogggins, the sort of unconventional but natural sort of unconventional but natural sort of unconventional but natural physical brilliance of Richard Fineman, physical brilliance of Richard Fineman, physical brilliance of Richard Fineman, and then the like I like Napoleon for and then the like I like Napoleon for and then the like I like Napoleon for strategic brilliance and bias to action strategic brilliance and bias to action strategic brilliance and bias to action and just like will to win. and just like will to win. and just like will to win. >> And when you combine those things, >> And when you combine those things, >> And when you combine those things, absolutely singular. Um, it would be absolutely singular. Um, it would be absolutely singular. Um, it would be like if Zuckerberg had also started like if Zuckerberg had also started like if Zuckerberg had also started Google. Like I feel like that's kind of Google. Like I feel like that's kind of Google. Like I feel like that's kind of the order of magnitude thing. And they the order of magnitude thing. And they the order of magnitude thing. And they started Google and Facebook in parallel. started Google and Facebook in parallel. started Google and Facebook in parallel. I mean SpaceX I think when it goes I mean SpaceX I think when it goes I mean SpaceX I think when it goes public this will be more obvious to public this will be more obvious to public this will be more obvious to people but he'll he will have almost people but he'll he will have almost people but he'll he will have almost founded but certainly funded led and founded but certainly funded led and founded but certainly funded led and driven two of the top 10 companies in driven two of the top 10 companies in driven two of the top 10 companies in the world if not two of the most the world if not two of the most the world if not two of the most important companies in the world in important companies in the world in important companies in the world in parallel at the same time while doing a parallel at the same time while doing a parallel at the same time while doing a bunch of other [ __ ] and having 14 kids. bunch of other [ __ ] and having 14 kids. bunch of other [ __ ] and having 14 kids. How what is okay that's that is that is How what is okay that's that is that is How what is okay that's that is that is pretty singular after a few million pretty singular after a few million pretty singular after a few million words of looking through his life what words of looking through his life what words of looking through his life what it is that he's said and done. what is it is that he's said and done. what is it is that he's said and done. what is the what are the component parts of his the what are the component parts of his the what are the component parts of his success? What are the biggest drivers success? What are the biggest drivers success? What are the biggest drivers for how he's been so productive? for how he's been so productive? for how he's been so productive? >> I think there's a few and I think the >> I think there's a few and I think the >> I think there's a few and I think the thing that people miss is the thing that people miss is the thing that people miss is the combination of those factors. So, I combination of those factors. So, I combination of those factors. So, I think people talk a lot about and it's think people talk a lot about and it's think people talk a lot about and it's correct to talk about the bias towards correct to talk about the bias towards correct to talk about the bias towards or the the intense urgency towards the or the the intense urgency towards the or the the intense urgency towards the limiting factor, right? He's always limiting factor, right? He's always limiting factor, right? He's always looking for the bottleneck and attacking looking for the bottleneck and attacking looking for the bottleneck and attacking the bottleneck. He works with maniacal the bottleneck. He works with maniacal the bottleneck. He works with maniacal urgency. Those are the words he uses um urgency. Those are the words he uses um urgency. Those are the words he uses um and instills in people all around him. and instills in people all around him. and instills in people all around him. There is also this ability to sort of uh There is also this ability to sort of uh There is also this ability to sort of uh think from first principles has become think from first principles has become think from first principles has become this like this like this like keyword that he talks about and that he keyword that he talks about and that he keyword that he talks about and that he has a bunch of great examples for. But has a bunch of great examples for. But has a bunch of great examples for. But when you combine all of those things, when you combine all of those things, when you combine all of those things, it's not a 10% or a 50% improvement. It it's not a 10% or a 50% improvement. It it's not a 10% or a 50% improvement. It is like a two order of magnitude is like a two order of magnitude is like a two order of magnitude improvement. If you are working on the improvement. If you are working on the improvement. If you are working on the right thing with the right vision at the right thing with the right vision at the right thing with the right vision at the right time immediately all the time, right time immediately all the time, right time immediately all the time, you're not twice as productive. You're a you're not twice as productive. You're a you're not twice as productive. You're a thousand times more productive. And then thousand times more productive. And then thousand times more productive. And then you do that for 30 years, 40 years. And you do that for 30 years, 40 years. And you do that for 30 years, 40 years. And the the way that the the way that the the way that sort of head start acru and compounds sort of head start acru and compounds sort of head start acru and compounds and the way the leverage builds on and the way the leverage builds on and the way the leverage builds on itself and the way the allies show up itself and the way the allies show up itself and the way the allies show up and the way that capital piles in behind and the way that capital piles in behind and the way that capital piles in behind you and the way that wins turn into you and the way that wins turn into you and the way that wins turn into additional wins and then you he has this additional wins and then you he has this additional wins and then you he has this sort of mystique now that people rightly sort of mystique now that people rightly sort of mystique now that people rightly criticize as a mystique like it feels criticize as a mystique like it feels criticize as a mystique like it feels unreal and it feels like people don't unreal and it feels like people don't unreal and it feels like people don't critique it. Um critique it. Um critique it. Um but he hasn't lost like but he hasn't lost like but he hasn't lost like and that becomes self-perpetuating. and that becomes self-perpetuating. and that becomes self-perpetuating. >> That was when he put the >> That was when he put the >> That was when he put the uh Tesla bonus structure in place for uh Tesla bonus structure in place for uh Tesla bonus structure in place for himself. himself. himself. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The trillion dollar compensation >> The trillion dollar compensation >> The trillion dollar compensation package. package. package. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That there's a lot of criticism >> Yeah. That there's a lot of criticism >> Yeah. That there's a lot of criticism that was thrown around like this is that was thrown around like this is that was thrown around like this is ridiculous. What an insane amount of ridiculous. What an insane amount of ridiculous. What an insane amount of money. No one person is supposed to do money. No one person is supposed to do money. No one person is supposed to do that. But his push back was, well, that. But his push back was, well, that. But his push back was, well, look at what I need to do in order to be look at what I need to do in order to be look at what I need to do in order to be able to achieve that. Can you just able to achieve that. Can you just able to achieve that. Can you just explain like why that was so ridiculous explain like why that was so ridiculous explain like why that was so ridiculous and what it constituted? Yeah, this is and what it constituted? Yeah, this is and what it constituted? Yeah, this is the second time he's done it actually. the second time he's done it actually. the second time he's done it actually. Um, so he had an insane all or nothing Um, so he had an insane all or nothing Um, so he had an insane all or nothing like I will make zero dollars unless I like I will make zero dollars unless I like I will make zero dollars unless I 10x Tesla. I don't remember the exact 10x Tesla. I don't remember the exact 10x Tesla. I don't remember the exact number, but he had he had some number of number, but he had he had some number of number, but he had he had some number of years to like turn Tesla into a massive years to like turn Tesla into a massive years to like turn Tesla into a massive unprecedented success. And everybody unprecedented success. And everybody unprecedented success. And everybody said it was absurd, but the shareholders said it was absurd, but the shareholders said it was absurd, but the shareholders were all kind of like, "All right, we'll were all kind of like, "All right, we'll were all kind of like, "All right, we'll vote for it. What do we have to lose?" vote for it. What do we have to lose?" vote for it. What do we have to lose?" Like, "If he doesn't do it, we don't pay Like, "If he doesn't do it, we don't pay Like, "If he doesn't do it, we don't pay him." Y him." Y him." Y >> and he achieved this impossible bar. >> and he achieved this impossible bar. >> and he achieved this impossible bar. >> And then these and then that the whole >> And then these and then that the whole >> And then these and then that the whole Delaware court thing happened where Delaware court thing happened where Delaware court thing happened where people were like suing him because people were like suing him because people were like suing him because trying to like retract that money and trying to like retract that money and trying to like retract that money and it's a whole that's a whole mess that it's a whole that's a whole mess that it's a whole that's a whole mess that like I'm not qualified to tell the story like I'm not qualified to tell the story like I'm not qualified to tell the story of in great detail, but it worked and he of in great detail, but it worked and he of in great detail, but it worked and he did the impossible. And he has been did the impossible. And he has been did the impossible. And he has been doing the impossible over and over doing the impossible over and over doing the impossible over and over again. And so when he comes and says, "I again. And so when he comes and says, "I again. And so when he comes and says, "I think I can take Tesla from a $1 think I can take Tesla from a $1 think I can take Tesla from a $1 trillion company to a $10 trillion trillion company to a $10 trillion trillion company to a $10 trillion company, and you don't have to pay me company, and you don't have to pay me company, and you don't have to pay me anything unless I do, but if I do, maybe anything unless I do, but if I do, maybe anything unless I do, but if I do, maybe throw me a trillion dollars." Like, who throw me a trillion dollars." Like, who throw me a trillion dollars." Like, who is that hurting? Like, it's helping all is that hurting? Like, it's helping all is that hurting? Like, it's helping all the shareholders who own it. the shareholders who own it. the shareholders who own it. >> They agreed to it. It's supposed to be >> They agreed to it. It's supposed to be >> They agreed to it. It's supposed to be impossible, right? Like, impossible, right? Like, impossible, right? Like, >> it's all upside. >> it's all upside. >> it's all upside. >> Um, but he's made all these impossible >> Um, but he's made all these impossible >> Um, but he's made all these impossible leaps before. Not always, right? But leaps before. Not always, right? But leaps before. Not always, right? But like the way he says he's like, "I've like the way he says he's like, "I've like the way he says he's like, "I've lost many battles, but I've never lost a lost many battles, but I've never lost a lost many battles, but I've never lost a war." war." war." >> He's never lost a company. >> He's never lost a company. >> He's never lost a company. >> He's never missed a huge target. He >> He's never missed a huge target. He >> He's never missed a huge target. He misses deadlines all the time, misses deadlines all the time, misses deadlines all the time, >> but almost by design >> but almost by design >> but almost by design >> because he's pushing the limit so >> because he's pushing the limit so >> because he's pushing the limit so quickly. quickly. quickly. >> Yeah. He he just articulated this really >> Yeah. He he just articulated this really >> Yeah. He he just articulated this really well, of course, after I finish writing well, of course, after I finish writing well, of course, after I finish writing the book because he's always dropping the book because he's always dropping the book because he's always dropping new stuff. But he says he chooses new stuff. But he says he chooses new stuff. But he says he chooses deadlines that he thinks has a he has a deadlines that he thinks has a he has a deadlines that he thinks has a he has a 50% chance of making. And he's like, "I 50% chance of making. And he's like, "I 50% chance of making. And he's like, "I don't want to be making 100% of my don't want to be making 100% of my don't want to be making 100% of my deadlines. That means they're way too deadlines. That means they're way too deadlines. That means they're way too conservative. That means things will get conservative. That means things will get conservative. That means things will get moved, things will get missed. So, I set moved, things will get missed. So, I set moved, things will get missed. So, I set a deadline that I think we have a 50/50 a deadline that I think we have a 50/50 a deadline that I think we have a 50/50 chance of making. And sometimes we'll be chance of making. And sometimes we'll be chance of making. And sometimes we'll be wrong. Sometimes we'll miss it. But a wrong. Sometimes we'll miss it. But a wrong. Sometimes we'll miss it. But a lot of the time we will make a deadline lot of the time we will make a deadline lot of the time we will make a deadline that we didn't think was possible that we didn't think was possible that we didn't think was possible >> because we chose to be really, really >> because we chose to be really, really >> because we chose to be really, really aggressive with schedules. aggressive with schedules. aggressive with schedules. >> You had 69 core Musk methods. So, let's >> You had 69 core Musk methods. So, let's >> You had 69 core Musk methods. So, let's go through some of them. go through some of them. go through some of them. >> Funny how that works out. >> Funny how that works out. >> Funny how that works out. >> If we don't make stuff, there is no >> If we don't make stuff, there is no >> If we don't make stuff, there is no stuff. stuff. stuff. >> He said this on the Joe Rogan podcast. >> He said this on the Joe Rogan podcast. >> He said this on the Joe Rogan podcast. It was one of a few things that hit me It was one of a few things that hit me It was one of a few things that hit me so hard. I was like this book has to so hard. I was like this book has to so hard. I was like this book has to happen actually and it was in this era happen actually and it was in this era happen actually and it was in this era where everyone would just go like just where everyone would just go like just where everyone would just go like just print money just send it out just like print money just send it out just like print money just send it out just like help us help us like looking to sort of help us help us like looking to sort of help us help us like looking to sort of the government as big brother to just the government as big brother to just the government as big brother to just take care of us no matter what even take care of us no matter what even take care of us no matter what even though nobody was doing any work during though nobody was doing any work during though nobody was doing any work during co and he's like that's not how this co and he's like that's not how this co and he's like that's not how this works like if we are not making stuff if works like if we are not making stuff if works like if we are not making stuff if we're not building stuff if we're not we're not building stuff if we're not we're not building stuff if we're not providing services like the whole providing services like the whole providing services like the whole economy collapses like that is what economy collapses like that is what economy collapses like that is what holds up the money um and he's a great holds up the money um and he's a great holds up the money um and he's a great example I think of example I think of example I think of the bias to build and serve and improve the bias to build and serve and improve the bias to build and serve and improve things. Um, you know, the like Tesla is things. Um, you know, the like Tesla is things. Um, you know, the like Tesla is the only car company trying to drive the only car company trying to drive the only car company trying to drive prices down. Have you seen another car prices down. Have you seen another car prices down. Have you seen another car company lower their prices in the last company lower their prices in the last company lower their prices in the last 40 years? 40 years? 40 years? >> Tesla's prices have gone down. >> Tesla's prices have gone down. >> Tesla's prices have gone down. >> Yeah, they're actively lowering the >> Yeah, they're actively lowering the >> Yeah, they're actively lowering the price on the models. As they add volume, price on the models. As they add volume, price on the models. As they add volume, they lower the price. And as they they lower the price. And as they they lower the price. And as they simplify the car, they lower the price. simplify the car, they lower the price. simplify the car, they lower the price. Um, but I looked this up. Ford F-150. If Um, but I looked this up. Ford F-150. If Um, but I looked this up. Ford F-150. If you just follow inflation, it used to be you just follow inflation, it used to be you just follow inflation, it used to be like five or six grand. And if you just like five or six grand. And if you just like five or six grand. And if you just follow inflation, it should be like follow inflation, it should be like follow inflation, it should be like 15,000 today, but they're like 40 or 50 15,000 today, but they're like 40 or 50 15,000 today, but they're like 40 or 50 grand. And feel like, yes, there's more grand. And feel like, yes, there's more grand. And feel like, yes, there's more features and more safety, but like features and more safety, but like features and more safety, but like three, four times more. And I feel like three, four times more. And I feel like three, four times more. And I feel like every car company on Earth is just every car company on Earth is just every car company on Earth is just trying to figure out how to charge more. trying to figure out how to charge more. trying to figure out how to charge more. And as Jeff Bezos said, like there's two And as Jeff Bezos said, like there's two And as Jeff Bezos said, like there's two kinds of companies. There's companies kinds of companies. There's companies kinds of companies. There's companies that try to charge work hard to charge that try to charge work hard to charge that try to charge work hard to charge more, and there's companies that work more, and there's companies that work more, and there's companies that work hard to charge less. And Amazon is a hard to charge less. And Amazon is a hard to charge less. And Amazon is a like we're driving cost down business. like we're driving cost down business. like we're driving cost down business. And Tesla is the same. He says like if And Tesla is the same. He says like if And Tesla is the same. He says like if we can't figure out if we charge we can't figure out if we charge we can't figure out if we charge something it's because we can't figure something it's because we can't figure something it's because we can't figure out how to charge less because he's like out how to charge less because he's like out how to charge less because he's like the mission the purpose I want as many the mission the purpose I want as many the mission the purpose I want as many people as possible driving an electric people as possible driving an electric people as possible driving an electric car. I want as many people as possible car. I want as many people as possible car. I want as many people as possible driving an autonomous car. Like that is driving an autonomous car. Like that is driving an autonomous car. Like that is what solves the climate change problem. what solves the climate change problem. what solves the climate change problem. That's what makes our cities quieter and That's what makes our cities quieter and That's what makes our cities quieter and cleaner and better. Like cleaner and better. Like cleaner and better. Like >> why not lower the price as we increase >> why not lower the price as we increase >> why not lower the price as we increase the volume and make it accessible to the volume and make it accessible to the volume and make it accessible to more people? more people? more people? >> Fear of failure is the biggest cause of >> Fear of failure is the biggest cause of >> Fear of failure is the biggest cause of failure. failure. failure. >> Yeah. Isn't that a good one? >> Yeah. Isn't that a good one? >> Yeah. Isn't that a good one? >> It's [ __ ] pathy. Uh, >> It's [ __ ] pathy. Uh, >> It's [ __ ] pathy. Uh, is fear of failure the biggest cause of is fear of failure the biggest cause of is fear of failure the biggest cause of failure? Not a lack of skill or failure? Not a lack of skill or failure? Not a lack of skill or understanding or foresight? understanding or foresight? understanding or foresight? >> The way I hear that quote is it's >> The way I hear that quote is it's >> The way I hear that quote is it's because it kills something in the crib. because it kills something in the crib. because it kills something in the crib. Like fear of failure is why people don't Like fear of failure is why people don't Like fear of failure is why people don't even set out. even set out. even set out. >> Yeah. The far more people have not >> Yeah. The far more people have not >> Yeah. The far more people have not attempted anything than have attempted attempted anything than have attempted attempted anything than have attempted something and failed at it. something and failed at it. something and failed at it. >> Yeah. You can't fail due to skill or >> Yeah. You can't fail due to skill or >> Yeah. You can't fail due to skill or fail due to stamina if you never even fail due to stamina if you never even fail due to stamina if you never even try try try >> or started. >> or started. >> or started. >> Yeah. And and you just think of like how >> Yeah. And and you just think of like how >> Yeah. And and you just think of like how many things you've any of us have many things you've any of us have many things you've any of us have dreamed of doing but never tried. dreamed of doing but never tried. dreamed of doing but never tried. >> Like it's 99 to1. >> Like it's 99 to1. >> Like it's 99 to1. >> Well, lots of things that you dream of >> Well, lots of things that you dream of >> Well, lots of things that you dream of you probably shouldn't try. So fear of I you probably shouldn't try. So fear of I you probably shouldn't try. So fear of I guess guess guess the interesting the interesting the interesting >> small print here is it's not necessarily >> small print here is it's not necessarily >> small print here is it's not necessarily fear of failure. It's fear of that is fear of failure. It's fear of that is fear of failure. It's fear of that is not worth my time. I shouldn't be not worth my time. I shouldn't be not worth my time. I shouldn't be spending my time on that thing. Not that spending my time on that thing. Not that spending my time on that thing. Not that I could do it and it wouldn't work, but I could do it and it wouldn't work, but I could do it and it wouldn't work, but if I did it, it wouldn't be worth it. I if I did it, it wouldn't be worth it. I if I did it, it wouldn't be worth it. I mean, I think that's a very optimistic mean, I think that's a very optimistic mean, I think that's a very optimistic and enlightened maybe view of why people and enlightened maybe view of why people and enlightened maybe view of why people rationalize not doing things that they rationalize not doing things that they rationalize not doing things that they that they do deeply want to do. that they do deeply want to do. that they do deeply want to do. >> Elon must have lots of dreams that he >> Elon must have lots of dreams that he >> Elon must have lots of dreams that he hasn't pursued presumably, unless unless hasn't pursued presumably, unless unless hasn't pursued presumably, unless unless he's also able to [ __ ] program his he's also able to [ __ ] program his he's also able to [ __ ] program his own dreams. It's like, oh, that would be own dreams. It's like, oh, that would be own dreams. It's like, oh, that would be cool. That would be cool. I mean, he's cool. That would be cool. I mean, he's cool. That would be cool. I mean, he's like the most leveraged man on earth. like the most leveraged man on earth. like the most leveraged man on earth. And I feel like he does indulge in these And I feel like he does indulge in these And I feel like he does indulge in these random I mean, the Boring Company was random I mean, the Boring Company was random I mean, the Boring Company was kind of a like sitting in traffic being kind of a like sitting in traffic being kind of a like sitting in traffic being like, [ __ ] this. and he just picked the like, [ __ ] this. and he just picked the like, [ __ ] this. and he just picked the phone and picked up the phone, called phone and picked up the phone, called phone and picked up the phone, called one of his engineers. He's like, "Start one of his engineers. He's like, "Start one of his engineers. He's like, "Start making a hole. Start researching uh making a hole. Start researching uh making a hole. Start researching uh drilling machines. I'm going to call you drilling machines. I'm going to call you drilling machines. I'm going to call you back in 2 hours." By the way, that was back in 2 hours." By the way, that was back in 2 hours." By the way, that was at 2 a.m. Okay, bye. Like, at 2 a.m. Okay, bye. Like, at 2 a.m. Okay, bye. Like, >> that was when he did it. >> that was when he did it. >> that was when he did it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> At 2 a.m. >> At 2 a.m. >> At 2 a.m. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Rang one of his engineers and said, >> Rang one of his engineers and said, >> Rang one of his engineers and said, >> "It's the guy who's still running the >> "It's the guy who's still running the >> "It's the guy who's still running the boarding company today." He's like, "Do boarding company today." He's like, "Do boarding company today." He's like, "Do it. I'll call you back." And then the it. I'll call you back." And then the it. I'll call you back." And then the guy comes back and says, "All right, I guy comes back and says, "All right, I guy comes back and says, "All right, I found this and this about the drilling found this and this about the drilling found this and this about the drilling machines. I think they could be improved machines. I think they could be improved machines. I think they could be improved in this and this way." And then he goes in this and this way." And then he goes in this and this way." And then he goes to Tesla Tesla headquarters and he's to Tesla Tesla headquarters and he's to Tesla Tesla headquarters and he's like, "We're going to start digging a like, "We're going to start digging a like, "We're going to start digging a hole in the parking lot." And they're hole in the parking lot." And they're hole in the parking lot." And they're like, "Cool. We think we can get permits like, "Cool. We think we can get permits like, "Cool. We think we can get permits and do it in 2 weeks." And he's like, and do it in 2 weeks." And he's like, and do it in 2 weeks." And he's like, "Nope. Move all the cars. Start right "Nope. Move all the cars. Start right "Nope. Move all the cars. Start right now. I want to see a hole in the parking now. I want to see a hole in the parking now. I want to see a hole in the parking lot at midnight. It's 6 p.m. Go." lot at midnight. It's 6 p.m. Go." lot at midnight. It's 6 p.m. Go." >> And like it it is that level of bias to >> And like it it is that level of bias to >> And like it it is that level of bias to action. Like I think maniacal urgency, action. Like I think maniacal urgency, action. Like I think maniacal urgency, the words don't really sink in until you the words don't really sink in until you the words don't really sink in until you hear story after story after story of hear story after story after story of hear story after story after story of him doing something that most people him doing something that most people him doing something that most people take two weeks to do in four hours. What take two weeks to do in four hours. What take two weeks to do in four hours. What are the most maniacal urgency stories are the most maniacal urgency stories are the most maniacal urgency stories about Elon? about Elon? about Elon? >> I mean, a a small one that I think >> I mean, a a small one that I think >> I mean, a a small one that I think drills it home is like he was drills it home is like he was drills it home is like he was interviewing for his head of machining interviewing for his head of machining interviewing for his head of machining at a SpaceX uh at a SpaceX site. And it at a SpaceX uh at a SpaceX site. And it at a SpaceX uh at a SpaceX site. And it was like a 20-minute interview just was like a 20-minute interview just was like a 20-minute interview just like, "Tell me about your work. Tell me like, "Tell me about your work. Tell me like, "Tell me about your work. Tell me about your background. All right, you're about your background. All right, you're about your background. All right, you're qualified. Come to an agreement." qualified. Come to an agreement." qualified. Come to an agreement." Somebody standing behind him was like, Somebody standing behind him was like, Somebody standing behind him was like, "Here's a job offer. Fill in the blanks. "Here's a job offer. Fill in the blanks. "Here's a job offer. Fill in the blanks. Sign it. Sign it. Go to work." Like 6:00 Sign it. Sign it. Go to work." Like 6:00 Sign it. Sign it. Go to work." Like 6:00 p.m. on Saturday. Like the time just p.m. on Saturday. Like the time just p.m. on Saturday. Like the time just doesn't exist. It's irrelevant. It is doesn't exist. It's irrelevant. It is doesn't exist. It's irrelevant. It is like the whatever is the most important like the whatever is the most important like the whatever is the most important thing to get done in this hour, get it thing to get done in this hour, get it thing to get done in this hour, get it done immediately and keep going. Like done immediately and keep going. Like done immediately and keep going. Like there is no work life se separation. there is no work life se separation. there is no work life se separation. There is no like do it later. There is There is no like do it later. There is There is no like do it later. There is like if it is the most important thing like if it is the most important thing like if it is the most important thing to do, do it immediately even if it's to do, do it immediately even if it's to do, do it immediately even if it's irrelevant. Like there's so there's irrelevant. Like there's so there's irrelevant. Like there's so there's stories in the the Isacson biography of stories in the the Isacson biography of stories in the the Isacson biography of him ordering you call them like surges him ordering you call them like surges him ordering you call them like surges even when they don't need to be done. He even when they don't need to be done. He even when they don't need to be done. He just he loves urgency for urgency sake. just he loves urgency for urgency sake. just he loves urgency for urgency sake. s s s >> like uh one of these pushes of like >> like uh one of these pushes of like >> like uh one of these pushes of like stack the starship or build that part stack the starship or build that part stack the starship or build that part and someone's like we don't this part is and someone's like we don't this part is and someone's like we don't this part is not the bottleneck. He's like I don't not the bottleneck. He's like I don't not the bottleneck. He's like I don't care. I don't feel enough urgency for care. I don't feel enough urgency for care. I don't feel enough urgency for you. Like I'm giving you a deadline. I you. Like I'm giving you a deadline. I you. Like I'm giving you a deadline. I don't care that it's arbitrary. Like I don't care that it's arbitrary. Like I don't care that it's arbitrary. Like I want you to feel the kind of urgency want you to feel the kind of urgency want you to feel the kind of urgency that I feel. that I feel. that I feel. Hard stop. Like that's how we work. Hard stop. Like that's how we work. Hard stop. Like that's how we work. >> It's basically speed training like you'd >> It's basically speed training like you'd >> It's basically speed training like you'd give to an athlete but being done out of give to an athlete but being done out of give to an athlete but being done out of season. season. season. >> Yeah. And all the time. Um, and and this >> Yeah. And all the time. Um, and and this >> Yeah. And all the time. Um, and and this is not always there are times when this is not always there are times when this is not always there are times when this has saved, you know, months or years or has saved, you know, months or years or has saved, you know, months or years or weeks or millions of dollars, but weeks or millions of dollars, but weeks or millions of dollars, but there's also times when it's like burned there's also times when it's like burned there's also times when it's like burned people out and pissed them off and people out and pissed them off and people out and pissed them off and caused good people to quit. caused good people to quit. caused good people to quit. >> I have to imagine that the blast radius >> I have to imagine that the blast radius >> I have to imagine that the blast radius of this work rate is pretty huge that of this work rate is pretty huge that of this work rate is pretty huge that the the churn of people working for him the the churn of people working for him the the churn of people working for him is is pretty insane. is is pretty insane. is is pretty insane. >> For sure. There are some people who are >> For sure. There are some people who are >> For sure. There are some people who are who are very long tenured. Um, but it who are very long tenured. Um, but it who are very long tenured. Um, but it also I mean I think that's part of the also I mean I think that's part of the also I mean I think that's part of the strategy like turnurning through strategy like turnurning through strategy like turnurning through relatively young brilliant engineers, no relatively young brilliant engineers, no relatively young brilliant engineers, no work life balance. This is this is your work life balance. This is this is your work life balance. This is this is your >> this is your time in the wild of like >> this is your time in the wild of like >> this is your time in the wild of like >> you're going to be here all the time >> you're going to be here all the time >> you're going to be here all the time here at the drop of a hat. Um, but he's here at the drop of a hat. Um, but he's here at the drop of a hat. Um, but he's been doing this forever. He did this been doing this forever. He did this been doing this forever. He did this PayPal he decided would uh when it was PayPal he decided would uh when it was PayPal he decided would uh when it was before they merged, but he was going to before they merged, but he was going to before they merged, but he was going to launch X.com on Thanksgiving weekend launch X.com on Thanksgiving weekend launch X.com on Thanksgiving weekend like and people were like that doesn't like and people were like that doesn't like and people were like that doesn't make any sense. Nobody's being paying make any sense. Nobody's being paying make any sense. Nobody's being paying attention. Everybody's with their attention. Everybody's with their attention. Everybody's with their family's like, "Don't care. We're family's like, "Don't care. We're family's like, "Don't care. We're launching on Sunday on Thanksgiving. I launching on Sunday on Thanksgiving. I launching on Sunday on Thanksgiving. I want everybody in here all the time." want everybody in here all the time." want everybody in here all the time." People are like, "Can I go see my People are like, "Can I go see my People are like, "Can I go see my family?" Nope. You're not dedicated if family?" Nope. You're not dedicated if family?" Nope. You're not dedicated if you're not in here working 20 hours a you're not in here working 20 hours a you're not in here working 20 hours a day trying to make this deadline. It is, day trying to make this deadline. It is, day trying to make this deadline. It is, it is urgency for urgency sake all the it is urgency for urgency sake all the it is urgency for urgency sake all the time on everything. And the people, this time on everything. And the people, this time on everything. And the people, this goes back to purpose, is like only you goes back to purpose, is like only you goes back to purpose, is like only you only get that out of people if you have only get that out of people if you have only get that out of people if you have this incredible this incredible this incredible >> mission that people feel like they're on >> mission that people feel like they're on >> mission that people feel like they're on that they're like, "Yes, I want to show that they're like, "Yes, I want to show that they're like, "Yes, I want to show up. I want you to put the pedal down. I up. I want you to put the pedal down. I up. I want you to put the pedal down. I want to be used for all I'm worth. I want to be used for all I'm worth. I want to be used for all I'm worth. I want to see what I'm capable of. I want want to see what I'm capable of. I want want to see what I'm capable of. I want to work as hard as I can with other to work as hard as I can with other to work as hard as I can with other brilliant people on this incredibly brilliant people on this incredibly brilliant people on this incredibly powerful mission. And I can't do it for powerful mission. And I can't do it for powerful mission. And I can't do it for 40 years, but I can do it for two or 40 years, but I can do it for two or 40 years, but I can do it for two or four or 10. four or 10. four or 10. Does Elon do any kind of self-care, Does Elon do any kind of self-care, Does Elon do any kind of self-care, morning routine, meditation, therapy? morning routine, meditation, therapy? morning routine, meditation, therapy? >> Not that there's much evidence of, which >> Not that there's much evidence of, which >> Not that there's much evidence of, which I think is interesting. like the most I think is interesting. like the most I think is interesting. like the most productive man on earth, barely sleeps, productive man on earth, barely sleeps, productive man on earth, barely sleeps, like lives on his private jet, works like lives on his private jet, works like lives on his private jet, works maniacally all the time. Uh, maniacally all the time. Uh, maniacally all the time. Uh, no no discernable good habits from what no no discernable good habits from what no no discernable good habits from what I can tell. Like uh not staining like it eats donuts like not staining like it eats donuts like >> not a lot of meditation, not a lot of >> not a lot of meditation, not a lot of >> not a lot of meditation, not a lot of introspection. introspection. introspection. >> Um, just like gets up, grabs his phone, >> Um, just like gets up, grabs his phone, >> Um, just like gets up, grabs his phone, draws a knife and like goes to war every draws a knife and like goes to war every draws a knife and like goes to war every single day. Like that is just single day. Like that is just single day. Like that is just >> just sh someone. >> just sh someone. >> just sh someone. >> Like that is the I had a my friend Brent >> Like that is the I had a my friend Brent >> Like that is the I had a my friend Brent Bishort describes like operating Bishort describes like operating Bishort describes like operating business as a knife fight and it's like business as a knife fight and it's like business as a knife fight and it's like an operator who's in it. Like you wake an operator who's in it. Like you wake an operator who's in it. Like you wake up, you have a knife off the bedstand up, you have a knife off the bedstand up, you have a knife off the bedstand and like you go to work and that's and like you go to work and that's and like you go to work and that's actually probably how it feels with actually probably how it feels with actually probably how it feels with Elon. You ask him his daily routine. Elon. You ask him his daily routine. Elon. You ask him his daily routine. He's like, I wake up, I check my phone, He's like, I wake up, I check my phone, He's like, I wake up, I check my phone, I look for an emergency. I look for an emergency. I look for an emergency. >> There's always an emergency. Um and >> There's always an emergency. Um and >> There's always an emergency. Um and sometimes if there's not, he creates sometimes if there's not, he creates sometimes if there's not, he creates one. one. one. >> How so? >> How so? >> How so? >> Uh this is also like from the Isaxson >> Uh this is also like from the Isaxson >> Uh this is also like from the Isaxson book. is like there was a lot of times book. is like there was a lot of times book. is like there was a lot of times when there's not when there's not when there's not objectively an emergency, but there is objectively an emergency, but there is objectively an emergency, but there is sufficient cause to be like we can sufficient cause to be like we can sufficient cause to be like we can increase the pace, we can increase the increase the pace, we can increase the increase the pace, we can increase the pace. Like let's figure out how to pace. Like let's figure out how to pace. Like let's figure out how to create a situation that maybe gets create a situation that maybe gets create a situation that maybe gets things moving faster, maybe doesn't, but things moving faster, maybe doesn't, but things moving faster, maybe doesn't, but it is a bias to urgency all the time. it is a bias to urgency all the time. it is a bias to urgency all the time. >> But this, and I'm not advocating this, >> But this, and I'm not advocating this, >> But this, and I'm not advocating this, like I don't live this way even like you like I don't live this way even like you like I don't live this way even like you you can see the recipe and not want to you can see the recipe and not want to you can see the recipe and not want to cook the dish. Um, but the the takeaway cook the dish. Um, but the the takeaway cook the dish. Um, but the the takeaway that I think that is useful and that I think that is useful and that I think that is useful and generalizable for everybody is very generalizable for everybody is very generalizable for everybody is very David Gogggins. It's like you're capable David Gogggins. It's like you're capable David Gogggins. It's like you're capable of a lot more than you think. And the of a lot more than you think. And the of a lot more than you think. And the people who are like massively orders of people who are like massively orders of people who are like massively orders of magnitude more productive are working at magnitude more productive are working at magnitude more productive are working at a pace and an intensity that is like a pace and an intensity that is like a pace and an intensity that is like very foreign to most people. Um, and I very foreign to most people. Um, and I very foreign to most people. Um, and I think you're a good example of this. think you're a good example of this. think you're a good example of this. Like I don't think people appreciate how Like I don't think people appreciate how Like I don't think people appreciate how hard you work to like do the things that hard you work to like do the things that hard you work to like do the things that you do and cover the amount of ground you do and cover the amount of ground you do and cover the amount of ground that you have to do 800 episodes in 5 that you have to do 800 episodes in 5 that you have to do 800 episodes in 5 years. like you're an intense years. like you're an intense years. like you're an intense [ __ ] Like you cover a lot of [ __ ] Like you cover a lot of [ __ ] Like you cover a lot of ground. Um you work really hard to do ground. Um you work really hard to do ground. Um you work really hard to do it. It's um but everybody is capable of it. It's um but everybody is capable of it. It's um but everybody is capable of 10% more, 50% more. Just like give the 10% more, 50% more. Just like give the 10% more, 50% more. Just like give the throttle a push and throttle a push and throttle a push and >> see what breaks might not be anything. >> see what breaks might not be anything. >> see what breaks might not be anything. >> So given the lack of self-care, >> So given the lack of self-care, >> So given the lack of self-care, does he care about his subjective does he care about his subjective does he care about his subjective experience, experience, experience, happiness, happiness, happiness, fulfillment, joy, things? It fulfillment, joy, things? It fulfillment, joy, things? It >> does. um don't think that's what he's >> does. um don't think that's what he's >> does. um don't think that's what he's optimizing for. optimizing for. optimizing for. >> Like I don't think he's a particularly >> Like I don't think he's a particularly >> Like I don't think he's a particularly happy person. I don't think he he even happy person. I don't think he he even happy person. I don't think he he even doesn't really seem to take doesn't really seem to take doesn't really seem to take joy or pride in his past joy or pride in his past joy or pride in his past accomplishments. He's just always accomplishments. He's just always accomplishments. He's just always looking forward. looking forward. looking forward. >> Um and it's I mean I feel like it's a >> Um and it's I mean I feel like it's a >> Um and it's I mean I feel like it's a great gift to us and a burden to him, great gift to us and a burden to him, great gift to us and a burden to him, right? Like I the people around him talk right? Like I the people around him talk right? Like I the people around him talk about like wishing that he would about like wishing that he would about like wishing that he would celebrate his accomplishments, wishing celebrate his accomplishments, wishing celebrate his accomplishments, wishing he would take a break, wishing he would he would take a break, wishing he would he would take a break, wishing he would be happier. Um but he's just on to the be happier. Um but he's just on to the be happier. Um but he's just on to the next, on to the next. And like I think next, on to the next. And like I think next, on to the next. And like I think when you have a glimpse in his childhood when you have a glimpse in his childhood when you have a glimpse in his childhood that makes a little more sense. Um you that makes a little more sense. Um you that makes a little more sense. Um you >> so >> so >> so >> I mean his as David Sun says like the >> I mean his as David Sun says like the >> I mean his as David Sun says like the story of the father is embedded in the story of the father is embedded in the story of the father is embedded in the story of the son. Um his dad was certainly abusive. Like there's verbally certainly abusive. Like there's verbally abusive. Imagine like standing there as abusive. Imagine like standing there as abusive. Imagine like standing there as an 8-year-old boy for hours while your an 8-year-old boy for hours while your an 8-year-old boy for hours while your dad like screams in your face. Drill dad like screams in your face. Drill dad like screams in your face. Drill sergeants out calls you worthless. Calls sergeants out calls you worthless. Calls sergeants out calls you worthless. Calls you useless. calls you stupid. Um, when you useless. calls you stupid. Um, when you useless. calls you stupid. Um, when Elon was young, he got absolute [ __ ] Elon was young, he got absolute [ __ ] Elon was young, he got absolute [ __ ] kicked out of him, like gang stomped, kicked out of him, like gang stomped, kicked out of him, like gang stomped, not like lost a fight with one guy, not like lost a fight with one guy, not like lost a fight with one guy, hospitalized for a while. His brother hospitalized for a while. His brother hospitalized for a while. His brother said he was like so swollen, he was said he was like so swollen, he was said he was like so swollen, he was unrecognizable, and his dad sided with unrecognizable, and his dad sided with unrecognizable, and his dad sided with the bullies and like called him stupid the bullies and like called him stupid the bullies and like called him stupid for picking a fight that he would lose. for picking a fight that he would lose. for picking a fight that he would lose. Like, what does that do? Like, that just Like, what does that do? Like, that just Like, what does that do? Like, that just creates this furnace in you that like creates this furnace in you that like creates this furnace in you that like will never stop. Um, and so I think will never stop. Um, and so I think will never stop. Um, and so I think there's there's a lot of he's not there's there's a lot of he's not there's there's a lot of he's not comfortable with peace. Like he likes he comfortable with peace. Like he likes he comfortable with peace. Like he likes he is he is always at war and he's looking is he is always at war and he's looking is he is always at war and he's looking for the next war and that just like for the next war and that just like for the next war and that just like drives him always. Um, and you know that drives him always. Um, and you know that drives him always. Um, and you know that is one part like you know always the is one part like you know always the is one part like you know always the debate between clean fuel and dirty fuel debate between clean fuel and dirty fuel debate between clean fuel and dirty fuel like which is better. like which is better. like which is better. >> You know if you're if you're like mean >> You know if you're if you're like mean >> You know if you're if you're like mean to yourself internally you're like such to yourself internally you're like such to yourself internally you're like such a piece of [ __ ] I got to I got to get a piece of [ __ ] I got to I got to get a piece of [ __ ] I got to I got to get more done. I can do more. I can more done. I can do more. I can more done. I can do more. I can accomplish more. I can be better versus accomplish more. I can be better versus accomplish more. I can be better versus like, I'm building this great thing and like, I'm building this great thing and like, I'm building this great thing and I can do it and this is going to be I can do it and this is going to be I can do it and this is going to be awesome and people are going to love it awesome and people are going to love it awesome and people are going to love it or I'm really proud of what I've done. or I'm really proud of what I've done. or I'm really proud of what I've done. I'm achieving this powerful mission. And I'm achieving this powerful mission. And I'm achieving this powerful mission. And Elon does both. Like he burns clean fuel Elon does both. Like he burns clean fuel Elon does both. Like he burns clean fuel and dirty fuel. It seems and dirty fuel. It seems and dirty fuel. It seems >> he's achieving these these missions that >> he's achieving these these missions that >> he's achieving these these missions that are important to humanity that so many are important to humanity that so many are important to humanity that so many people dream of that everybody thought people dream of that everybody thought people dream of that everybody thought was impossible. And he's got this was impossible. And he's got this was impossible. And he's got this incredible string of successes, but he incredible string of successes, but he incredible string of successes, but he also has this also has this also has this this like internal this like internal this like internal angst. Uh I think that that seems to angst. Uh I think that that seems to angst. Uh I think that that seems to drive him. Definitely a tolerance for drive him. Definitely a tolerance for drive him. Definitely a tolerance for pain. It almost seems like he pain. It almost seems like he pain. It almost seems like he deliberately creates suffering for deliberately creates suffering for deliberately creates suffering for himself. He did the uh the tiny home himself. He did the uh the tiny home himself. He did the uh the tiny home thing. He he sold all of his stuff at thing. He he sold all of his stuff at thing. He he sold all of his stuff at one point may still have no possessions one point may still have no possessions one point may still have no possessions basically and sleeps on the factory basically and sleeps on the factory basically and sleeps on the factory floor. floor. floor. >> Yes. Um which I mean the the possessions >> Yes. Um which I mean the the possessions >> Yes. Um which I mean the the possessions thing was part like he's like I'm not thing was part like he's like I'm not thing was part like he's like I'm not I'm not like a bad billionaire. Like I'm I'm not like a bad billionaire. Like I'm I'm not like a bad billionaire. Like I'm a billionaire cuz I build valuable a billionaire cuz I build valuable a billionaire cuz I build valuable companies. Like I'll sell all my stuff. companies. Like I'll sell all my stuff. companies. Like I'll sell all my stuff. I don't care. I don't need fancy things. I don't care. I don't need fancy things. I don't care. I don't need fancy things. Um cuz people were like dragging. He's Um cuz people were like dragging. He's Um cuz people were like dragging. He's like, I want I want you to understand like, I want I want you to understand like, I want I want you to understand that like I'm in it for the right that like I'm in it for the right that like I'm in it for the right reasons. Um, but I'm glad you asked reasons. Um, but I'm glad you asked reasons. Um, but I'm glad you asked about sleep, about sleep, about sleep, okay? Because I'm a huge personal fan of okay? Because I'm a huge personal fan of okay? Because I'm a huge personal fan of eight sleep. 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Because they've just got listed to that? Because they've just got listed to that? Because they've just got listed for 1.5 bill on the stock exchange. Like for 1.5 bill on the stock exchange. Like for 1.5 bill on the stock exchange. Like is this is this is this >> I don't know them at all. I just >> I don't know them at all. I just >> I don't know them at all. I just actually love eight and I wanted to like actually love eight and I wanted to like actually love eight and I wanted to like I thought it would be really funny to I thought it would be really funny to I thought it would be really funny to make you make you make you >> Well, he's saved us from having to do >> Well, he's saved us from having to do >> Well, he's saved us from having to do the ad read. E that's one fewer ad read the ad read. E that's one fewer ad read the ad read. E that's one fewer ad read that I need to do this week. that I need to do this week. that I need to do this week. >> I feel like you've been working really >> I feel like you've been working really >> I feel like you've been working really hard. I just wanted to pick up a little hard. I just wanted to pick up a little hard. I just wanted to pick up a little bit of the slack. I feel like the guests bit of the slack. I feel like the guests bit of the slack. I feel like the guests just show up and you have to do just show up and you have to do just show up and you have to do everything. everything. everything. >> That's true. You need to pay for >> That's true. You need to pay for >> That's true. You need to pay for yourself now. That's it. Well, this yourself now. That's it. Well, this yourself now. That's it. Well, this isn't cheap to put on. You know, you isn't cheap to put on. You know, you isn't cheap to put on. You know, you need to pay for yourself. need to pay for yourself. need to pay for yourself. >> I know. And I have an authentic, loving >> I know. And I have an authentic, loving >> I know. And I have an authentic, loving relationship with my eightle. And Elon relationship with my eightle. And Elon relationship with my eightle. And Elon needs one because needs one because needs one because >> well, he doesn't have any possessions, >> well, he doesn't have any possessions, >> well, he doesn't have any possessions, so it's going to be hard. so it's going to be hard. so it's going to be hard. >> Oh, that is that is true. >> Oh, that is that is true. >> Oh, that is that is true. >> I wonder if they could fit it to the >> I wonder if they could fit it to the >> I wonder if they could fit it to the factory floor. factory floor. factory floor. >> Just [ __ ] lay an eightle on the >> Just [ __ ] lay an eightle on the >> Just [ __ ] lay an eightle on the ground. Be like, "Ah, sort of works, I ground. Be like, "Ah, sort of works, I ground. Be like, "Ah, sort of works, I guess." guess." guess." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What's that story? It's from the Isacson >> What's that story? It's from the Isacson >> What's that story? It's from the Isacson book, but I think it's pretty telling. book, but I think it's pretty telling. book, but I think it's pretty telling. What's that story about when he needed What's that story about when he needed What's that story about when he needed to do an investor meeting and the COO to do an investor meeting and the COO to do an investor meeting and the COO came in and found him like catatonic came in and found him like catatonic came in and found him like catatonic under his under his desk and basically under his under his desk and basically under his under his desk and basically had to like force him to get up. Yeah. had to like force him to get up. Yeah. had to like force him to get up. Yeah. He was doing an earnings call and um I I He was doing an earnings call and um I I He was doing an earnings call and um I I think this was like 2018. This is like think this was like 2018. This is like think this was like 2018. This is like the end of a really long stretch of just the end of a really long stretch of just the end of a really long stretch of just like miserable stuff and I think he was like miserable stuff and I think he was like miserable stuff and I think he was in a really tough spot psychologically in a really tough spot psychologically in a really tough spot psychologically and he was just like lying on the floor. and he was just like lying on the floor. and he was just like lying on the floor. Um, and yeah, this guy does try to like Um, and yeah, this guy does try to like Um, and yeah, this guy does try to like he's like has experience with he's like has experience with he's like has experience with psychological psychological psychological illnesses in his family and challenges illnesses in his family and challenges illnesses in his family and challenges and so he kind of knew what to do and he and so he kind of knew what to do and he and so he kind of knew what to do and he like went in and laid on the floor next like went in and laid on the floor next like went in and laid on the floor next to him and was like, to him and was like, to him and was like, >> "How you doing, buddy?" >> "How you doing, buddy?" >> "How you doing, buddy?" >> Just went under the desk. >> Just went under the desk. >> Just went under the desk. >> Yeah. Like lay laid down next to him and >> Yeah. Like lay laid down next to him and >> Yeah. Like lay laid down next to him and was like, "How you doing?" Like I know was like, "How you doing?" Like I know was like, "How you doing?" Like I know it's hard going to take a couple more it's hard going to take a couple more it's hard going to take a couple more minutes and we got to get up and we got minutes and we got to get up and we got minutes and we got to get up and we got to do this and do our best. And um I to do this and do our best. And um I to do this and do our best. And um I it's hard like I think I think he puts it's hard like I think I think he puts it's hard like I think I think he puts himself through a lot like Elon burns himself through a lot like Elon burns himself through a lot like Elon burns the boats and challenges himself and the boats and challenges himself and the boats and challenges himself and >> but he does have limits. >> but he does have limits. >> but he does have limits. >> Yeah. I mean >> Yeah. I mean >> Yeah. I mean >> I mean if you're lying under your desk >> I mean if you're lying under your desk >> I mean if you're lying under your desk catatonic that's a limit. catatonic that's a limit. catatonic that's a limit. >> Yeah. He uh in the 2008 crisis he was >> Yeah. He uh in the 2008 crisis he was >> Yeah. He uh in the 2008 crisis he was Tula Riley talks about him like having Tula Riley talks about him like having Tula Riley talks about him like having night terrors. He's like sitting up all night terrors. He's like sitting up all night terrors. He's like sitting up all night. Um he's he's throwing up. He's night. Um he's he's throwing up. He's night. Um he's he's throwing up. He's having like screaming nightmares. Um, having like screaming nightmares. Um, having like screaming nightmares. Um, but that goes back to like like I don't but that goes back to like like I don't but that goes back to like like I don't want to live that experience. want to live that experience. want to live that experience. >> But it gives you a sense of how far >> But it gives you a sense of how far >> But it gives you a sense of how far people can push themselves and how far people can push themselves and how far people can push themselves and how far >> I look the way that I see uh Elon is not >> I look the way that I see uh Elon is not >> I look the way that I see uh Elon is not too dissimilar to the way that I see too dissimilar to the way that I see too dissimilar to the way that I see Brian Johnson and also David Gogggins Brian Johnson and also David Gogggins Brian Johnson and also David Gogggins which is there are people who will go to which is there are people who will go to which is there are people who will go to the 99.999th the 99.999th the 99.999th percentile of anything and everything. percentile of anything and everything. percentile of anything and everything. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it's useful to have them around And it's useful to have them around And it's useful to have them around because they teach you all of the because they teach you all of the because they teach you all of the lessons that you learn by going to the lessons that you learn by going to the lessons that you learn by going to the absolute edge, but that doesn't mean absolute edge, but that doesn't mean absolute edge, but that doesn't mean that you should try and follow what it that you should try and follow what it that you should try and follow what it is that they're doing. It doesn't mean is that they're doing. It doesn't mean is that they're doing. It doesn't mean that it's a good strategy for anybody that it's a good strategy for anybody that it's a good strategy for anybody else to do. But if you're going to try else to do. But if you're going to try else to do. But if you're going to try and say that uh Brian Johnson going and and say that uh Brian Johnson going and and say that uh Brian Johnson going and basically being like a scout in a basically being like a scout in a basically being like a scout in a >> he's he's essentially the same thing as >> he's he's essentially the same thing as >> he's he's essentially the same thing as a scout in an army. He goes up to this a scout in an army. He goes up to this a scout in an army. He goes up to this crazy high ridge and it's all crazy high ridge and it's all crazy high ridge and it's all treacherous and maybe he's going to fall treacherous and maybe he's going to fall treacherous and maybe he's going to fall and oh my god. And then he finds out and oh my god. And then he finds out and oh my god. And then he finds out some [ __ ] about what's over there and some [ __ ] about what's over there and some [ __ ] about what's over there and then comes back and tells us all. I'm then comes back and tells us all. I'm then comes back and tells us all. I'm like, I don't want to be a scout and I like, I don't want to be a scout and I like, I don't want to be a scout and I don't want an army filled with scouts, don't want an army filled with scouts, don't want an army filled with scouts, but it's [ __ ] useful to have a few. but it's [ __ ] useful to have a few. but it's [ __ ] useful to have a few. >> Yeah. Well, in particular, like this >> Yeah. Well, in particular, like this >> Yeah. Well, in particular, like this scout who is like building so many scout who is like building so many scout who is like building so many things that benefit so many people. And things that benefit so many people. And things that benefit so many people. And I think I mean all this comes back to I think I mean all this comes back to I think I mean all this comes back to like Elon is being authentically like Elon is being authentically like Elon is being authentically himself. M like who he is is this like himself. M like who he is is this like himself. M like who he is is this like insanely driven technical genius boy who insanely driven technical genius boy who insanely driven technical genius boy who is infused with sci-fi and military is infused with sci-fi and military is infused with sci-fi and military history like dreaming of making an history like dreaming of making an history like dreaming of making an impact on the world. impact on the world. impact on the world. >> Um in part because of this like >> Um in part because of this like >> Um in part because of this like traumatic childhood he had and in part traumatic childhood he had and in part traumatic childhood he had and in part because of like it's this grand dream because of like it's this grand dream because of like it's this grand dream and grand adventure and um I don't think and grand adventure and um I don't think and grand adventure and um I don't think it's in an insult to say is like a it's in an insult to say is like a it's in an insult to say is like a little bit of a hero complex of like I little bit of a hero complex of like I little bit of a hero complex of like I can I can do this. I can make a can I can do this. I can make a can I can do this. I can make a difference. I can make this huge impact difference. I can make this huge impact difference. I can make this huge impact on the world. And thank God he did, on the world. And thank God he did, on the world. And thank God he did, right? Like this type of person in the right? Like this type of person in the right? Like this type of person in the past would just become like a conqueror. past would just become like a conqueror. past would just become like a conqueror. >> But like thanks to the miracle of modern >> But like thanks to the miracle of modern >> But like thanks to the miracle of modern capitalism and technology, he's building capitalism and technology, he's building capitalism and technology, he's building [ __ ] that benefit all of us and we're [ __ ] that benefit all of us and we're [ __ ] that benefit all of us and we're going to have this huge ev evolutionary going to have this huge ev evolutionary going to have this huge ev evolutionary leap hopefully as we go to another leap hopefully as we go to another leap hopefully as we go to another planet and we get to live through it. planet and we get to live through it. planet and we get to live through it. How [ __ ] awesome is that? How [ __ ] awesome is that? How [ __ ] awesome is that? >> Do not separate yourself from the pain >> Do not separate yourself from the pain >> Do not separate yourself from the pain of your decisions. of your decisions. of your decisions. Yeah, this one is uh comes from like the Yeah, this one is uh comes from like the Yeah, this one is uh comes from like the manufacturing process and the structure manufacturing process and the structure manufacturing process and the structure of the organization, but I think it's a of the organization, but I think it's a of the organization, but I think it's a very generalizable rule. very generalizable rule. very generalizable rule. >> Um, this version is like you want the >> Um, this version is like you want the >> Um, this version is like you want the designers and the engineers and the designers and the engineers and the designers and the engineers and the manufacturers like they all work in the manufacturers like they all work in the manufacturers like they all work in the plant so they can see the downstream plant so they can see the downstream plant so they can see the downstream effects of the decisions that they make effects of the decisions that they make effects of the decisions that they make in the design process. Um, it's very in the design process. Um, it's very in the design process. Um, it's very it's very easy to try to break your it's very easy to try to break your it's very easy to try to break your feedback loop and not sense when you're feedback loop and not sense when you're feedback loop and not sense when you're doing something harmful or even not doing something harmful or even not doing something harmful or even not missing an opportunity to do something missing an opportunity to do something missing an opportunity to do something great that could benefit you. great that could benefit you. great that could benefit you. I think that uh the idea of not I think that uh the idea of not I think that uh the idea of not insulating yourself from the outcomes of insulating yourself from the outcomes of insulating yourself from the outcomes of your decisions uh is probably a good I your decisions uh is probably a good I your decisions uh is probably a good I mean there has to be sometimes where he mean there has to be sometimes where he mean there has to be sometimes where he just gets other people to do stuff on just gets other people to do stuff on just gets other people to do stuff on his behalf. But I know what's that you his behalf. But I know what's that you his behalf. But I know what's that you you have to locate physically move you have to locate physically move you have to locate physically move yourself to wherever the problem is yourself to wherever the problem is yourself to wherever the problem is immediately. immediately. immediately. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Basically the same rule. >> Basically the same rule. >> Basically the same rule. >> Yeah. And in the on the production line >> Yeah. And in the on the production line >> Yeah. And in the on the production line it's like walk to the red. There's like it's like walk to the red. There's like it's like walk to the red. There's like green or red everywhere on the green or red everywhere on the green or red everywhere on the production line and is like if something production line and is like if something production line and is like if something is red there's a problem go there is red there's a problem go there is red there's a problem go there immediately. immediately. immediately. >> Um there's there's a couple versions >> Um there's there's a couple versions >> Um there's there's a couple versions like physically move yourself like physically move yourself like physically move yourself immediately where the product he's you immediately where the product he's you immediately where the product he's you should see his like if you track his should see his like if you track his should see his like if you track his private jet it's like private jet it's like private jet it's like all over the world constantly on the all over the world constantly on the all over the world constantly on the move. Um, and so it's not just like move. Um, and so it's not just like move. Um, and so it's not just like locally move yourself to wherever the locally move yourself to wherever the locally move yourself to wherever the problem is immediately. Call the people, problem is immediately. Call the people, problem is immediately. Call the people, get them in the room, go there. Like get them in the room, go there. Like get them in the room, go there. Like it's an underrated thing to be it's an underrated thing to be it's an underrated thing to be physically where the problem is. physically where the problem is. physically where the problem is. >> And whatever the most important, this >> And whatever the most important, this >> And whatever the most important, this goes back to the kind of like the goes back to the kind of like the goes back to the kind of like the original multiplying things of like original multiplying things of like original multiplying things of like whatever the most important thing to do whatever the most important thing to do whatever the most important thing to do is, is, is, >> whatever the limiting factor is, attack >> whatever the limiting factor is, attack >> whatever the limiting factor is, attack it immediately it immediately it immediately >> in the most effective way possible, >> in the most effective way possible, >> in the most effective way possible, which is usually going physically to which is usually going physically to which is usually going physically to where the problem is and seeing it for where the problem is and seeing it for where the problem is and seeing it for yourself directly or pulling in all the yourself directly or pulling in all the yourself directly or pulling in all the people that have a handle in it. do people that have a handle in it. do people that have a handle in it. do things in parallel. things in parallel. things in parallel. >> Yeah, George and I were talking about >> Yeah, George and I were talking about >> Yeah, George and I were talking about this this morning because I think this this morning because I think this this morning because I think there's like conventionally good wisdom there's like conventionally good wisdom there's like conventionally good wisdom that is focus. And this was one of the that is focus. And this was one of the that is focus. And this was one of the things I was surprised by. Um Warren things I was surprised by. Um Warren things I was surprised by. Um Warren Buffett's the perfect quote to like Buffett's the perfect quote to like Buffett's the perfect quote to like explain this concept at a high level explain this concept at a high level explain this concept at a high level which is like you can't get a baby in which is like you can't get a baby in which is like you can't get a baby in one month by getting nine women one month by getting nine women one month by getting nine women pregnant. pregnant. pregnant. >> Elon stride. So you just there are some things that So you just there are some things that there's an incompressible amount of there's an incompressible amount of there's an incompressible amount of time. time. time. >> And if you put those in sequence now all >> And if you put those in sequence now all >> And if you put those in sequence now all of a sudden your timeline is this long, of a sudden your timeline is this long, of a sudden your timeline is this long, but if you can plant all the seeds at but if you can plant all the seeds at but if you can plant all the seeds at the same time and they're growing in the same time and they're growing in the same time and they're growing in parallel, parallel, parallel, all of a sudden your timeline is shrunk all of a sudden your timeline is shrunk all of a sudden your timeline is shrunk by a third. And I was at the grandest by a third. And I was at the grandest by a third. And I was at the grandest scale, it's kind of like most normal scale, it's kind of like most normal scale, it's kind of like most normal people would start an electric car people would start an electric car people would start an electric car company, grow it, make it successful, company, grow it, make it successful, company, grow it, make it successful, and then start their space company. And and then start their space company. And and then start their space company. And he was like, "Nah, I can do both at he was like, "Nah, I can do both at he was like, "Nah, I can do both at once. we just give it a try. Um because once. we just give it a try. Um because once. we just give it a try. Um because we might be able to move the total we might be able to move the total we might be able to move the total timeline of success up dramatically and timeline of success up dramatically and timeline of success up dramatically and it's harder and it's riskier, but it it's harder and it's riskier, but it it's harder and it's riskier, but it also generates returns sooner. Um, and I also generates returns sooner. Um, and I also generates returns sooner. Um, and I think there's only some problems that think there's only some problems that think there's only some problems that are like this is the right approach for are like this is the right approach for are like this is the right approach for and he talked about in PayPal was like and he talked about in PayPal was like and he talked about in PayPal was like we were developing the product and we were developing the product and we were developing the product and trying to do all these integrations and trying to do all these integrations and trying to do all these integrations and trying to get um like regulatory trying to get um like regulatory trying to get um like regulatory coverage and it was like we did all of coverage and it was like we did all of coverage and it was like we did all of them all at once and it was [ __ ] them all at once and it was [ __ ] them all at once and it was [ __ ] chaos but we launched in a year instead chaos but we launched in a year instead chaos but we launched in a year instead of the three years that would have been of the three years that would have been of the three years that would have been conventional wisdom of like it doesn't conventional wisdom of like it doesn't conventional wisdom of like it doesn't make sense to invest in the product make sense to invest in the product make sense to invest in the product until we have the permission and we until we have the permission and we until we have the permission and we don't the integrations until we have the don't the integrations until we have the don't the integrations until we have the product. He's like nope do it all at product. He's like nope do it all at product. He's like nope do it all at once launch immediately. once launch immediately. once launch immediately. Wild. wild uh we should not be afraid of Wild. wild uh we should not be afraid of Wild. wild uh we should not be afraid of doing something important simply because doing something important simply because doing something important simply because some amount of tragedy is likely to some amount of tragedy is likely to some amount of tragedy is likely to occur. This is more of that bias for occur. This is more of that bias for occur. This is more of that bias for action, this sort of disregard of fear. action, this sort of disregard of fear. action, this sort of disregard of fear. >> And even even further than that, it's >> And even even further than that, it's >> And even even further than that, it's it's uh I think this comes from his it's uh I think this comes from his it's uh I think this comes from his study of history in in a lot of ways. He study of history in in a lot of ways. He study of history in in a lot of ways. He says, I think the extended version of says, I think the extended version of says, I think the extended version of that quote is like, if we did, if you if that quote is like, if we did, if you if that quote is like, if we did, if you if you never take a risk, like the the you never take a risk, like the the you never take a risk, like the the United States wouldn't exist. Like every United States wouldn't exist. Like every United States wouldn't exist. Like every great adventure involves a risk and great adventure involves a risk and great adventure involves a risk and people will die. And we have to accept people will die. And we have to accept people will die. And we have to accept that we are the pendulum is swung too that we are the pendulum is swung too that we are the pendulum is swung too far towards like, oh my god, nobody can far towards like, oh my god, nobody can far towards like, oh my god, nobody can ever be harmed in any way. Nobody is ever be harmed in any way. Nobody is ever be harmed in any way. Nobody is allowed to risk their life. Nobody's allowed to risk their life. Nobody's allowed to risk their life. Nobody's allowed to take experimental treatments. allowed to take experimental treatments. allowed to take experimental treatments. He's like, we can't make progress like He's like, we can't make progress like He's like, we can't make progress like this. You know, colonizing Mars is a this. You know, colonizing Mars is a this. You know, colonizing Mars is a grand adventure. It involves risk. like grand adventure. It involves risk. like grand adventure. It involves risk. like not everything is going to go right, but not everything is going to go right, but not everything is going to go right, but especially if people choose to take especially if people choose to take especially if people choose to take those risks or risk their life to those risks or risk their life to those risks or risk their life to accomplish this great feat for accomplish this great feat for accomplish this great feat for humankind, there's something inherent humankind, there's something inherent humankind, there's something inherent about humans sort of feeling fulfilled, about humans sort of feeling fulfilled, about humans sort of feeling fulfilled, sacrificing themselves to further sacrificing themselves to further sacrificing themselves to further humanity as a whole. And I think to me humanity as a whole. And I think to me humanity as a whole. And I think to me that quote is like, yeah, damn the that quote is like, yeah, damn the that quote is like, yeah, damn the torpedoes. Uh like let's do it. torpedoes. Uh like let's do it. torpedoes. Uh like let's do it. >> What do you think is the most misleading >> What do you think is the most misleading >> What do you think is the most misleading narrative about Elan's success? narrative about Elan's success? narrative about Elan's success? It depends which camp you're kind of It depends which camp you're kind of It depends which camp you're kind of coming from. I think there are diehard coming from. I think there are diehard coming from. I think there are diehard fanboys that have just like total fanboys that have just like total fanboys that have just like total blindfold to the the negatives. Um, and blindfold to the the negatives. Um, and blindfold to the the negatives. Um, and I think there's a lot of people, I think there's a lot of people, I think there's a lot of people, especially after his sort of political especially after his sort of political especially after his sort of political chapter that have just a whole bunch of chapter that have just a whole bunch of chapter that have just a whole bunch of ideas that are factually incorrect that ideas that are factually incorrect that ideas that are factually incorrect that they believe as deep truths. Um, I mean they believe as deep truths. Um, I mean they believe as deep truths. Um, I mean like anybody who is one of the most like anybody who is one of the most like anybody who is one of the most famous people on earth, right? Like and famous people on earth, right? Like and famous people on earth, right? Like and past a certain level of fame, I think past a certain level of fame, I think past a certain level of fame, I think there's like a derangement syndrome there's like a derangement syndrome there's like a derangement syndrome about everybody. M about everybody. M about everybody. M >> um so I think it's actually kind of hard >> um so I think it's actually kind of hard >> um so I think it's actually kind of hard to find a neutral or a like well-rounded to find a neutral or a like well-rounded to find a neutral or a like well-rounded set of opinions on him. set of opinions on him. set of opinions on him. >> That's a good point. I I was thinking >> That's a good point. I I was thinking >> That's a good point. I I was thinking about Elon in comparison with Mark about Elon in comparison with Mark about Elon in comparison with Mark Zuckerberg and um sure there's some Zuckerberg and um sure there's some Zuckerberg and um sure there's some people that don't like Mark and people people that don't like Mark and people people that don't like Mark and people of Kawaii aren't massive fans of him of Kawaii aren't massive fans of him of Kawaii aren't massive fans of him buying a ton of land and there's other buying a ton of land and there's other buying a ton of land and there's other bits and pieces but I don't think people bits and pieces but I don't think people bits and pieces but I don't think people have like insane fervor against him or have like insane fervor against him or have like insane fervor against him or insane fervor for him. Yeah. insane fervor for him. Yeah. insane fervor for him. Yeah. >> Uh but Elon seems to be much more >> Uh but Elon seems to be much more >> Uh but Elon seems to be much more barbelly, right? If you were to draw a barbelly, right? If you were to draw a barbelly, right? If you were to draw a graph, it's just a pair of boobs at the graph, it's just a pair of boobs at the graph, it's just a pair of boobs at the end. Uh whereas, you know, most most end. Uh whereas, you know, most most end. Uh whereas, you know, most most people are kind of a bell curve, whereas people are kind of a bell curve, whereas people are kind of a bell curve, whereas Elon's managed to completely clear the Elon's managed to completely clear the Elon's managed to completely clear the middle. middle. middle. >> Yeah. I don't think that used to be >> Yeah. I don't think that used to be >> Yeah. I don't think that used to be true. Like, is that is that do you think true. Like, is that is that do you think true. Like, is that is that do you think that's a byproduct of him having a that's a byproduct of him having a that's a byproduct of him having a political chapter? political chapter? political chapter? >> Uh yeah, I guess so. And then that >> Uh yeah, I guess so. And then that >> Uh yeah, I guess so. And then that creates the foundation and on top of creates the foundation and on top of creates the foundation and on top of that is wealth, huge amounts of wealth. that is wealth, huge amounts of wealth. that is wealth, huge amounts of wealth. This potential IPO thing. Yeah. This potential IPO thing. Yeah. This potential IPO thing. Yeah. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> he's spiky. I mean, he's he is like he's >> he's spiky. I mean, he's he is like he's >> he's spiky. I mean, he's he is like he's an unrefined sense of humor that he like an unrefined sense of humor that he like an unrefined sense of humor that he like puts out there. puts out there. puts out there. >> What do you if he's so concerned about >> What do you if he's so concerned about >> What do you if he's so concerned about the bias to action working on the the bias to action working on the the bias to action working on the biggest problem, the bottlenecks, etc. biggest problem, the bottlenecks, etc. biggest problem, the bottlenecks, etc. Why have such a public presence like why Why have such a public presence like why Why have such a public presence like why tweet a lot? Yeah, you won the platform tweet a lot? Yeah, you won the platform tweet a lot? Yeah, you won the platform or whatever, but or whatever, but or whatever, but podcasts and interviews and stuff like podcasts and interviews and stuff like podcasts and interviews and stuff like that. If you're the I compare him with that. If you're the I compare him with that. If you're the I compare him with someone like James Dyson, right, who someone like James Dyson, right, who someone like James Dyson, right, who kind of from some areas of a skill set kind of from some areas of a skill set kind of from some areas of a skill set is not massively different. Senra told is not massively different. Senra told is not massively different. Senra told me about when he sat down with James me about when he sat down with James me about when he sat down with James Dyson. James Dyson's done thousand maybe Dyson. James Dyson's done thousand maybe Dyson. James Dyson's done thousand maybe tens of thousands of prototypes. He said tens of thousands of prototypes. He said tens of thousands of prototypes. He said he was looking at James Dyson's hands. he was looking at James Dyson's hands. he was looking at James Dyson's hands. >> So James Dyson's hands were like Alex >> So James Dyson's hands were like Alex >> So James Dyson's hands were like Alex Hnold's hands. these gnled you could the Hnold's hands. these gnled you could the Hnold's hands. these gnled you could the senuey tough thick things these [ __ ] senuey tough thick things these [ __ ] senuey tough thick things these [ __ ] chess on the end of his the end of his chess on the end of his the end of his chess on the end of his the end of his arms and um I don't know the that that arms and um I don't know the that that arms and um I don't know the that that element for instance what's the role element for instance what's the role element for instance what's the role that that level of exposure is playing I that that level of exposure is playing I that that level of exposure is playing I think is an interesting one think is an interesting one think is an interesting one >> yeah he's had a he's had sort of a taste >> yeah he's had a he's had sort of a taste >> yeah he's had a he's had sort of a taste for that for a long time I think um he's for that for a long time I think um he's for that for a long time I think um he's like dated actresses and kind of living like dated actresses and kind of living like dated actresses and kind of living in LA um but there's an element to which in LA um but there's an element to which in LA um but there's an element to which having that personal presence and having that personal presence and having that personal presence and talking about what you're doing. Like, talking about what you're doing. Like, talking about what you're doing. Like, he needs to rally support. Like, you he needs to rally support. Like, you he needs to rally support. Like, you need a great team, you need investors, need a great team, you need investors, need a great team, you need investors, you need popular support. Like, think you need popular support. Like, think you need popular support. Like, think about how hard it was to convince people about how hard it was to convince people about how hard it was to convince people that electric cars were not just not that electric cars were not just not that electric cars were not just not stupid, but [ __ ] awesome. stupid, but [ __ ] awesome. stupid, but [ __ ] awesome. >> Like, that took a lot of repetition. >> Like, that took a lot of repetition. >> Like, that took a lot of repetition. >> It is meant to think when you when you >> It is meant to think when you when you >> It is meant to think when you when you roll back the clock that the Prius was roll back the clock that the Prius was roll back the clock that the Prius was like the eminent preeeminent [ __ ] like the eminent preeeminent [ __ ] like the eminent preeeminent [ __ ] electric car. It was just a hybrid. Like electric car. It was just a hybrid. Like electric car. It was just a hybrid. Like the real electric cars were even worse. the real electric cars were even worse. the real electric cars were even worse. >> Yeah. It was it was really um I think >> Yeah. It was it was really um I think >> Yeah. It was it was really um I think it's difficult now to understand how it's difficult now to understand how it's difficult now to understand how stupid and insane it seemed when he stupid and insane it seemed when he stupid and insane it seemed when he started Tesla. And the same thing with started Tesla. And the same thing with started Tesla. And the same thing with the rocket. Like there were no space the rocket. Like there were no space the rocket. Like there were no space startups. Like a space economy was not a startups. Like a space economy was not a startups. Like a space economy was not a thing. And NASA had been on this like thing. And NASA had been on this like thing. And NASA had been on this like slow decline for like 50 years. 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He was looking at philanthropy project. He was looking at the NASA website saying when are we the NASA website saying when are we the NASA website saying when are we going to go to Mars? we went to the moon going to go to Mars? we went to the moon going to go to Mars? we went to the moon 50 years ago. Why haven't we been back? 50 years ago. Why haven't we been back? 50 years ago. Why haven't we been back? And when are we going to go to Mars? And when are we going to go to Mars? And when are we going to go to Mars? Surely there's a plan. And there was no Surely there's a plan. And there was no Surely there's a plan. And there was no plan. And he was coming off of his first plan. And he was coming off of his first plan. And he was coming off of his first exit with PayPal. Um, so he had $200 exit with PayPal. Um, so he had $200 exit with PayPal. Um, so he had $200 million or something in the bank. And million or something in the bank. And million or something in the bank. And he's like, I'll just spend 100 million he's like, I'll just spend 100 million he's like, I'll just spend 100 million to like see if I can increase NASA's to like see if I can increase NASA's to like see if I can increase NASA's budget. It was pure philanthropy. He's budget. It was pure philanthropy. He's budget. It was pure philanthropy. He's like, I'm going to buy a rocket. I'm like, I'm going to buy a rocket. I'm like, I'm going to buy a rocket. I'm going to make a little greenhouse. I'm going to make a little greenhouse. I'm going to make a little greenhouse. I'm going to ship it to Mars. And I'm going going to ship it to Mars. And I'm going going to ship it to Mars. And I'm going to get a photo of a little baby plant on to get a photo of a little baby plant on to get a photo of a little baby plant on the red planet. It'll be the first life the red planet. It'll be the first life the red planet. It'll be the first life on another planet. And that'll catalyze on another planet. And that'll catalyze on another planet. And that'll catalyze this movement. and inspire people this this movement. and inspire people this this movement. and inspire people this >> that was the that was the origin story. >> that was the that was the origin story. >> that was the that was the origin story. >> Yeah. It was called Mars Oasis. That was >> Yeah. It was called Mars Oasis. That was >> Yeah. It was called Mars Oasis. That was the thing. And to do this he like went the thing. And to do this he like went the thing. And to do this he like went around trying to buy a rocket. He's like around trying to buy a rocket. He's like around trying to buy a rocket. He's like why are these rockets so [ __ ] why are these rockets so [ __ ] why are these rockets so [ __ ] expensive? He went to Russia and tried expensive? He went to Russia and tried expensive? He went to Russia and tried to buy an intercom ICBM to buy an intercom ICBM to buy an intercom ICBM and they laughed at him and spit on him and they laughed at him and spit on him and they laughed at him and spit on him and like [ __ ] him around and he got and like [ __ ] him around and he got and like [ __ ] him around and he got pissed and so he's like pissed and so he's like pissed and so he's like maybe the problem is that space launch maybe the problem is that space launch maybe the problem is that space launch costs are so high. costs are so high. costs are so high. >> How why are rockets so expensive? Can't >> How why are rockets so expensive? Can't >> How why are rockets so expensive? Can't they be done better? And so he gathered they be done better? And so he gathered they be done better? And so he gathered a bunch of rocket engineers who had a bunch of rocket engineers who had a bunch of rocket engineers who had experience at his house. And I think experience at his house. And I think experience at his house. And I think this is a interesting part of the story this is a interesting part of the story this is a interesting part of the story is like did a series of like Saturday is like did a series of like Saturday is like did a series of like Saturday sessions of like first principles, let's sessions of like first principles, let's sessions of like first principles, let's look at all the historical things, but look at all the historical things, but look at all the historical things, but let's also say like how good could good let's also say like how good could good let's also say like how good could good be with all the modern technology, be with all the modern technology, be with all the modern technology, modern design. Like is there a design modern design. Like is there a design modern design. Like is there a design that we can come up with that would be a that we can come up with that would be a that we can come up with that would be a massive improvement in space launch cost massive improvement in space launch cost massive improvement in space launch cost such that this would be possible. And he such that this would be possible. And he such that this would be possible. And he realized like the market for space realized like the market for space realized like the market for space launch launch launch that was the bottleneck. That was the that was the bottleneck. That was the that was the bottleneck. That was the real problem that like you couldn't get real problem that like you couldn't get real problem that like you couldn't get stuff off the planet cheap enough stuff off the planet cheap enough stuff off the planet cheap enough because all we had was space shuttle because all we had was space shuttle because all we had was space shuttle which is this like massive bloated which is this like massive bloated which is this like massive bloated government program that's not government program that's not government program that's not particularly capital efficient. They particularly capital efficient. They particularly capital efficient. They weren't iterating. They weren't doing weren't iterating. They weren't doing weren't iterating. They weren't doing volume. Um they were way overspending on volume. Um they were way overspending on volume. Um they were way overspending on basic parts because they were all like basic parts because they were all like basic parts because they were all like aerospace grade or whatever. And so as aerospace grade or whatever. And so as aerospace grade or whatever. And so as soon as the PayPal thing sold, he's soon as the PayPal thing sold, he's soon as the PayPal thing sold, he's like, "All right, I'm going to go I'm like, "All right, I'm going to go I'm like, "All right, I'm going to go I'm going to hire some rocket engineers and going to hire some rocket engineers and going to hire some rocket engineers and like let's see if we can do this." like let's see if we can do this." like let's see if we can do this." Wasn't the original like the Apollo 11 Wasn't the original like the Apollo 11 Wasn't the original like the Apollo 11 blueprints available just free online? blueprints available just free online? blueprints available just free online? Wasn't that part of it that you were Wasn't that part of it that you were Wasn't that part of it that you were able to get rocket blueprints? You could able to get rocket blueprints? You could able to get rocket blueprints? You could just download them, I think. Or maybe he just download them, I think. Or maybe he just download them, I think. Or maybe he made his available for free. made his available for free. made his available for free. >> Maybe. I mean, he's like when you he's >> Maybe. I mean, he's like when you he's >> Maybe. I mean, he's like when you he's not a rocket scientist, so he's like, not a rocket scientist, so he's like, not a rocket scientist, so he's like, "How did you learn how to do this?" And "How did you learn how to do this?" And "How did you learn how to do this?" And he's like, "I just read books and I talk he's like, "I just read books and I talk he's like, "I just read books and I talk to people. I read all the textbooks on to people. I read all the textbooks on to people. I read all the textbooks on rocket science that I could find. I rocket science that I could find. I rocket science that I could find. I borrowed him and I started talking to borrowed him and I started talking to borrowed him and I started talking to experts and his his rocket propulsion experts and his his rocket propulsion experts and his his rocket propulsion engineer was a guy who was like the s engineer was a guy who was like the s engineer was a guy who was like the s the foremost like rocket hobbyist. He the foremost like rocket hobbyist. He the foremost like rocket hobbyist. He had built the single largest like rocket had built the single largest like rocket had built the single largest like rocket engine as just a dude in his garage, Tom engine as just a dude in his garage, Tom engine as just a dude in his garage, Tom Mueller. And that was his propulsion Mueller. And that was his propulsion Mueller. And that was his propulsion engineer. engineer. engineer. >> You're hired. >> You're hired. >> You're hired. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> you're [ __ ] hired. >> you're [ __ ] hired. >> you're [ __ ] hired. >> Uh okay. And then what about now? Like >> Uh okay. And then what about now? Like >> Uh okay. And then what about now? Like what obviously the cost has come down by what obviously the cost has come down by what obviously the cost has come down by some insane factor. some insane factor. some insane factor. orders of magnitude which is driven orders of magnitude which is driven orders of magnitude which is driven Starlink and is going to drink drive Starlink and is going to drink drive Starlink and is going to drink drive even more. Um, and even more. Um, and even more. Um, and now he's talking about like building a now he's talking about like building a now he's talking about like building a Dyson sphere which is like solar but in Dyson sphere which is like solar but in Dyson sphere which is like solar but in space so we can capture more energy than space so we can capture more energy than space so we can capture more energy than even hits the the earth from the sun. even hits the the earth from the sun. even hits the the earth from the sun. >> And hasn't he been talking about putting >> And hasn't he been talking about putting >> And hasn't he been talking about putting compute in space as well? compute in space as well? compute in space as well? >> Yeah, these like big flat sheets that >> Yeah, these like big flat sheets that >> Yeah, these like big flat sheets that are like solar panels with compute and are like solar panels with compute and are like solar panels with compute and then like network together with lasers. then like network together with lasers. then like network together with lasers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, okay. I didn't realize that the >> Oh, okay. I didn't realize that the >> Oh, okay. I didn't realize that the Dyson sphere would power the compute. Dyson sphere would power the compute. Dyson sphere would power the compute. >> Yeah, it's just like a bunch of like >> Yeah, it's just like a bunch of like >> Yeah, it's just like a bunch of like solar panels with computer chips on the solar panels with computer chips on the solar panels with computer chips on the back that like can communicate with each back that like can communicate with each back that like can communicate with each other floating all around in space. Um, other floating all around in space. Um, other floating all around in space. Um, which is insane and wild. But the that's which is insane and wild. But the that's which is insane and wild. But the that's not the mission. Like that is a that is not the mission. Like that is a that is not the mission. Like that is a that is the cargo that the cargo that the cargo that makes Starship economic to build makes Starship economic to build makes Starship economic to build hundreds or thousands of them. hundreds or thousands of them. hundreds or thousands of them. >> But the actual mission is to make life >> But the actual mission is to make life >> But the actual mission is to make life multilanetary. And this goes back to multilanetary. And this goes back to multilanetary. And this goes back to like zoomed all the way out his like zoomed all the way out his like zoomed all the way out his altruistic philanthropic things is like altruistic philanthropic things is like altruistic philanthropic things is like look look look we should all agree that we do not want we should all agree that we do not want we should all agree that we do not want the only form of life that we know in the only form of life that we know in the only form of life that we know in the universe to die. Like we are the the universe to die. Like we are the the universe to die. Like we are the only conscious beings we know. Earth is only conscious beings we know. Earth is only conscious beings we know. Earth is the only the only the only planet with life that we know of. Can't planet with life that we know of. Can't planet with life that we know of. Can't we all agree that like it would be great we all agree that like it would be great we all agree that like it would be great to have life move just just next door? to have life move just just next door? to have life move just just next door? Just get some on Mars. just get a Just get some on Mars. just get a Just get some on Mars. just get a couple, you know, maybe a million couple, you know, maybe a million couple, you know, maybe a million people, get some plants. Like, if a people, get some plants. Like, if a people, get some plants. Like, if a comet hits Earth or we blow ourselves up comet hits Earth or we blow ourselves up comet hits Earth or we blow ourselves up or there's a catastrophic pandemic, like or there's a catastrophic pandemic, like or there's a catastrophic pandemic, like we've got another horse in the race. we've got another horse in the race. we've got another horse in the race. >> Like, whether you're an environmentalist >> Like, whether you're an environmentalist >> Like, whether you're an environmentalist or a humanist or anything, like this is or a humanist or anything, like this is or a humanist or anything, like this is a thing that we should universally agree a thing that we should universally agree a thing that we should universally agree is good. Um, and why not go for it? like is good. Um, and why not go for it? like is good. Um, and why not go for it? like he's like this is the window that is for he's like this is the window that is for he's like this is the window that is for the first time in not just human history the first time in not just human history the first time in not just human history but earth's history we have the ability but earth's history we have the ability but earth's history we have the ability to make life to make life to make life redundant to get it to another planet um redundant to get it to another planet um redundant to get it to another planet um and isn't that like one of the grandest and isn't that like one of the grandest and isn't that like one of the grandest missions that we can conceive of and he missions that we can conceive of and he missions that we can conceive of and he puts it on this evolutionary time scale puts it on this evolutionary time scale puts it on this evolutionary time scale right so like right so like right so like >> there was suddenly single-sellled life >> there was suddenly single-sellled life >> there was suddenly single-sellled life then multi-elled life and then there was then multi-elled life and then there was then multi-elled life and then there was uh fish and then the fish came on land uh fish and then the fish came on land uh fish and then the fish came on land and then the split into like plants and and then the split into like plants and and then the split into like plants and animals um different forms of life And animals um different forms of life And animals um different forms of life And going from Earth to our first new planet going from Earth to our first new planet going from Earth to our first new planet is this massive step function in is this massive step function in is this massive step function in basically how successful life is and its basically how successful life is and its basically how successful life is and its resilience to whatever comes next. resilience to whatever comes next. resilience to whatever comes next. >> How successful do you think SpaceX is >> How successful do you think SpaceX is >> How successful do you think SpaceX is going to be long term? going to be long term? going to be long term? >> Unbelievably. >> Unbelievably. >> Unbelievably. They have a essentially a monopoly on They have a essentially a monopoly on They have a essentially a monopoly on the toll booth off the planet and like the toll booth off the planet and like the toll booth off the planet and like there there's some 90 if not there there's some 90 if not there there's some 90 if not >> do not pass go do not go to the moon. >> do not pass go do not go to the moon. >> do not pass go do not go to the moon. Give me $200. Give me $200. Give me $200. >> They could have been the great one of >> They could have been the great one of >> They could have been the great one of the greatest companies on earth even if the greatest companies on earth even if the greatest companies on earth even if they never built Starship. Even if they they never built Starship. Even if they they never built Starship. Even if they just like cash flowed off of Falcon 9 just like cash flowed off of Falcon 9 just like cash flowed off of Falcon 9 and they were the only reusable rocket and they were the only reusable rocket and they were the only reusable rocket company. company. company. >> They would have been an unbelievably >> They would have been an unbelievably >> They would have been an unbelievably successful company. But they are successful company. But they are successful company. But they are reinvesting into Starship. um they're reinvesting into Starship. um they're reinvesting into Starship. um they're trying to build compute and a and um trying to build compute and a and um trying to build compute and a and um energy in space. They're trying to build energy in space. They're trying to build energy in space. They're trying to build a I think he's been talking now about a I think he's been talking now about a I think he's been talking now about like a mass driver on the moon that'll like a mass driver on the moon that'll like a mass driver on the moon that'll build these like vanoyman probes and all build these like vanoyman probes and all build these like vanoyman probes and all kinds of other crazy stuff. But if you kinds of other crazy stuff. But if you kinds of other crazy stuff. But if you the historical analogy that he talks the historical analogy that he talks the historical analogy that he talks about is like this is when the new world about is like this is when the new world about is like this is when the new world was discovered. Like we all existed was discovered. Like we all existed was discovered. Like we all existed around the Mediterranean for like most around the Mediterranean for like most around the Mediterranean for like most of western human history of western human history of western human history >> and then all of a sudden Columbus >> and then all of a sudden Columbus >> and then all of a sudden Columbus discovered the new world and was like discovered the new world and was like discovered the new world and was like all right we need new shipping all right we need new shipping all right we need new shipping technology. We have a taste for all of technology. We have a taste for all of technology. We have a taste for all of the fineries of this new world. So many the fineries of this new world. So many the fineries of this new world. So many people want to pay for passage and it's people want to pay for passage and it's people want to pay for passage and it's like this economic bonanza and just zoom like this economic bonanza and just zoom like this economic bonanza and just zoom all the way out again like where are all the way out again like where are all the way out again like where are most of the raw materials in the solar most of the raw materials in the solar most of the raw materials in the solar system let alone the galaxy like not on system let alone the galaxy like not on system let alone the galaxy like not on Earth? We have this bias to the only raw Earth? We have this bias to the only raw Earth? We have this bias to the only raw materials that matter are like wood and materials that matter are like wood and materials that matter are like wood and farmland but there are raw materials farmland but there are raw materials farmland but there are raw materials atomic raw materials on every other atomic raw materials on every other atomic raw materials on every other world and in the asteroid belt and just world and in the asteroid belt and just world and in the asteroid belt and just like floating around in space. Um, and like floating around in space. Um, and like floating around in space. Um, and getting the technology, the starship to getting the technology, the starship to getting the technology, the starship to go access them is going to be an go access them is going to be an go access them is going to be an unbelievable boon for humanity. But it unbelievable boon for humanity. But it unbelievable boon for humanity. But it does take that like leap of imagination does take that like leap of imagination does take that like leap of imagination to get there. to get there. to get there. >> What about Tesla? >> What about Tesla? >> What about Tesla? >> Tesla is I think going through like >> Tesla is I think going through like >> Tesla is I think going through like these startups are stacked S-curves, these startups are stacked S-curves, these startups are stacked S-curves, right? And so electric cars was one very right? And so electric cars was one very right? And so electric cars was one very fundamental in innovation. Um, autonomy fundamental in innovation. Um, autonomy fundamental in innovation. Um, autonomy is a whole another one. And so a big is a whole another one. And so a big is a whole another one. And so a big question mark is this leap to autonomy. question mark is this leap to autonomy. question mark is this leap to autonomy. And then he's already looking around And then he's already looking around And then he's already looking around this corner to do humanoid robots and this corner to do humanoid robots and this corner to do humanoid robots and all all all >> that's going under Tesla. >> that's going under Tesla. >> that's going under Tesla. >> Yeah, humanoid robots are in Tesla. He's >> Yeah, humanoid robots are in Tesla. He's >> Yeah, humanoid robots are in Tesla. He's he's just shut down um the Model X and he's just shut down um the Model X and he's just shut down um the Model X and the Model S the Model S the Model S >> production lines and switch them over to >> production lines and switch them over to >> production lines and switch them over to building humanoid robots. So like that building humanoid robots. So like that building humanoid robots. So like that is coming quickly. Um he's going from is coming quickly. Um he's going from is coming quickly. Um he's going from starting to build robo taxis that are starting to build robo taxis that are starting to build robo taxis that are like fully autonomous, no steering like fully autonomous, no steering like fully autonomous, no steering wheel. Um, so thinking that the autonomy wheel. Um, so thinking that the autonomy wheel. Um, so thinking that the autonomy kind of curve is there and he talks kind of curve is there and he talks kind of curve is there and he talks about this being one of the biggest about this being one of the biggest about this being one of the biggest markets of all time and that Optimus is markets of all time and that Optimus is markets of all time and that Optimus is even bigger. He's also now I think this even bigger. He's also now I think this even bigger. He's also now I think this is underrated because it's a not a is underrated because it's a not a is underrated because it's a not a consumer product but he's building they consumer product but he's building they consumer product but he's building they are building an unbelievable amount of are building an unbelievable amount of are building an unbelievable amount of batteries um which is powering the kind batteries um which is powering the kind batteries um which is powering the kind of like solar to battery grid conversion of like solar to battery grid conversion of like solar to battery grid conversion uh which is going to speed up uh which is going to speed up uh which is going to speed up >> energy that drives all the compute for >> energy that drives all the compute for >> energy that drives all the compute for the AI revolution. Um, and then there's the AI revolution. Um, and then there's the AI revolution. Um, and then there's a whole another kind of they they are a whole another kind of they they are a whole another kind of they they are backwards vertically integral like backwards vertically integral like backwards vertically integral like they're producing they just built a new they're producing they just built a new they're producing they just built a new lithium refinery. And so they're like we lithium refinery. And so they're like we lithium refinery. And so they're like we we we are supply constrained in many we we are supply constrained in many we we are supply constrained in many cases. And so they're like working cases. And so they're like working cases. And so they're like working backwards um further and further into backwards um further and further into backwards um further and further into their supply. their supply. their supply. >> I mean literally to the point where >> I mean literally to the point where >> I mean literally to the point where they're looking to go to new planets so they're looking to go to new planets so they're looking to go to new planets so that they can get more raw materials. that they can get more raw materials. that they can get more raw materials. >> Yeah. He does did say he thinks Tesla is >> Yeah. He does did say he thinks Tesla is >> Yeah. He does did say he thinks Tesla is going to have a factory on the moon going to have a factory on the moon going to have a factory on the moon which like I don't know I don't know if which like I don't know I don't know if which like I don't know I don't know if these companies all end up kind of these companies all end up kind of these companies all end up kind of smashed together eventually or what but smashed together eventually or what but smashed together eventually or what but um he did X is now owned by XAI which is um he did X is now owned by XAI which is um he did X is now owned by XAI which is now owned by SpaceX. So there's some now owned by SpaceX. So there's some now owned by SpaceX. So there's some sort of congealing sort of congealing sort of congealing >> but I don't know if Tesla and and SpaceX >> but I don't know if Tesla and and SpaceX >> but I don't know if Tesla and and SpaceX will will merge at some point. will will merge at some point. will will merge at some point. >> What about these humanoid robots? >> What about these humanoid robots? >> What about these humanoid robots? >> I mean I don't know. >> I mean I don't know. >> I mean I don't know. It's either gonna be one of the biggest It's either gonna be one of the biggest It's either gonna be one of the biggest markets of all time that totally like markets of all time that totally like markets of all time that totally like breaks the economy and ushers in this breaks the economy and ushers in this breaks the economy and ushers in this crazy era of abundance. Um, but I I crazy era of abundance. Um, but I I crazy era of abundance. Um, but I I think it'll be slow adoption just cuz think it'll be slow adoption just cuz think it'll be slow adoption just cuz people are slow to adopt things that are people are slow to adopt things that are people are slow to adopt things that are in particular when they're like in the in particular when they're like in the in particular when they're like in the uncanny valley. So commercial uses I uncanny valley. So commercial uses I uncanny valley. So commercial uses I think there'll be like a ton of them in think there'll be like a ton of them in think there'll be like a ton of them in factories and stuff like that but also factories and stuff like that but also factories and stuff like that but also some of the robotics engineers come in some of the robotics engineers come in some of the robotics engineers come in and say like humanoid is sure it's and say like humanoid is sure it's and say like humanoid is sure it's generalizable but like there's almost generalizable but like there's almost generalizable but like there's almost always a better more specific form always a better more specific form always a better more specific form function robot to use for a use case. Um function robot to use for a use case. Um function robot to use for a use case. Um >> right yeah why would we constrain this >> right yeah why would we constrain this >> right yeah why would we constrain this general purpose robot to have our like general purpose robot to have our like general purpose robot to have our like dimensions dimensions dimensions >> when you could get one that cracks eggs >> when you could get one that cracks eggs >> when you could get one that cracks eggs and one that cleans the dishes and one and one that cleans the dishes and one and one that cleans the dishes and one that etc. that etc. that etc. >> Yeah. You might just need like two arms >> Yeah. You might just need like two arms >> Yeah. You might just need like two arms on a rail in your kitchen and that's on a rail in your kitchen and that's on a rail in your kitchen and that's your kitchen robot. You might just need your kitchen robot. You might just need your kitchen robot. You might just need like two arms on your washer and that's like two arms on your washer and that's like two arms on your washer and that's your laundry robot. And like your laundry robot. And like your laundry robot. And like >> you might not actually want one that can >> you might not actually want one that can >> you might not actually want one that can like walk around your house and feel like walk around your house and feel like walk around your house and feel like a person. like a person. like a person. >> Have you seen what was the super widely >> Have you seen what was the super widely >> Have you seen what was the super widely publicized one that kind of had a publicized one that kind of had a publicized one that kind of had a knitted jumper and a knitted face? knitted jumper and a knitted face? knitted jumper and a knitted face? >> I think that was Optimus. >> I think that was Optimus. >> I think that was Optimus. >> No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It's already >> No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It's already >> No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It's already shipped. It's already out and floating shipped. It's already out and floating shipped. It's already out and floating around. Uh there was an advert. There around. Uh there was an advert. There around. Uh there was an advert. There was a billboard on uh like East Sixth was a billboard on uh like East Sixth was a billboard on uh like East Sixth Street for it and I thought it was just Street for it and I thought it was just Street for it and I thought it was just such a funny place to put it. Anyway, uh such a funny place to put it. Anyway, uh such a funny place to put it. Anyway, uh there was this video that someone had there was this video that someone had there was this video that someone had put of it trying to load dishes into the put of it trying to load dishes into the put of it trying to load dishes into the dishwasher and it's got this weird dishwasher and it's got this weird dishwasher and it's got this weird position. It's sort of leaning like this position. It's sort of leaning like this position. It's sort of leaning like this and somebody had captioned it as uh me and somebody had captioned it as uh me and somebody had captioned it as uh me every time that it's 6:00 a.m. at a every time that it's 6:00 a.m. at a every time that it's 6:00 a.m. at a ketamine after party and it literally ketamine after party and it literally ketamine after party and it literally looks like it's done too much ketamine looks like it's done too much ketamine looks like it's done too much ketamine and it's like all contorted. It's like and it's like all contorted. It's like and it's like all contorted. It's like in a really [ __ ] weird position. Um in a really [ __ ] weird position. Um in a really [ __ ] weird position. Um but yeah, I I don't know. I but yeah, I I don't know. I but yeah, I I don't know. I you're right to say as soon as you step you're right to say as soon as you step you're right to say as soon as you step outside of the existing bucket of what outside of the existing bucket of what outside of the existing bucket of what people use things for like going from people use things for like going from people use things for like going from driving a F-150 to a Prius to a Tesla. driving a F-150 to a Prius to a Tesla. driving a F-150 to a Prius to a Tesla. >> Ah, you know, I can kind of see how it >> Ah, you know, I can kind of see how it >> Ah, you know, I can kind of see how it works a little bit and people were works a little bit and people were works a little bit and people were nervous about full self-driving, but nervous about full self-driving, but nervous about full self-driving, but after a while Okay, there we go. There after a while Okay, there we go. There after a while Okay, there we go. There we go. we go. we go. >> There. No one has no one's looking at >> There. No one has no one's looking at >> There. No one has no one's looking at the fact, oh, well, I already have a the fact, oh, well, I already have a the fact, oh, well, I already have a dishwasher. dishwasher. dishwasher. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And this robot is basically an on its >> And this robot is basically an on its >> And this robot is basically an on its feet multi-purpose dishwasher. It's not feet multi-purpose dishwasher. It's not feet multi-purpose dishwasher. It's not quite the same thing. quite the same thing. quite the same thing. >> Yeah. Here it is. Look at this. >> Yeah. Here it is. Look at this. >> Yeah. Here it is. Look at this. It's trying to close the door. If you're standing there watching that, If you're standing there watching that, this would be very painful. this would be very painful. this would be very painful. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What if you just go away and the dishes >> What if you just go away and the dishes >> What if you just go away and the dishes are done? Cool. are done? Cool. are done? Cool. >> Yeah. I mean, are they done? No. No. >> Yeah. I mean, are they done? No. No. >> Yeah. I mean, are they done? No. No. [ __ ] go back, dude. Yeah. It's uh [ __ ] go back, dude. Yeah. It's uh [ __ ] go back, dude. Yeah. It's uh >> there's work to be done. >> there's work to be done. >> there's work to be done. >> I think it's a it's it is a really >> I think it's a it's it is a really >> I think it's a it's it is a really interesting question of like where where interesting question of like where where interesting question of like where where and how are humanoid robots going to and how are humanoid robots going to and how are humanoid robots going to show up over the next 10 years. I think show up over the next 10 years. I think show up over the next 10 years. I think it's like one of the big questions. Um, it's like one of the big questions. Um, it's like one of the big questions. Um, and like I would probably go to a and like I would probably go to a and like I would probably go to a laundromat staffed by humanoid robots. laundromat staffed by humanoid robots. laundromat staffed by humanoid robots. Great. Makes total sense. Like a coffee Great. Makes total sense. Like a coffee Great. Makes total sense. Like a coffee shop. shop. shop. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe washing dishes, Maybe, maybe not. Maybe washing dishes, Maybe, maybe not. Maybe washing dishes, but not like at the counter making a but not like at the counter making a but not like at the counter making a logic. Just cuz logic. Just cuz logic. Just cuz >> Yeah, just cuz like you partly go there >> Yeah, just cuz like you partly go there >> Yeah, just cuz like you partly go there for the human interaction. Um for the human interaction. Um for the human interaction. Um >> I don't know. I think it'll be really >> I don't know. I think it'll be really >> I don't know. I think it'll be really interesting to like see how it all plays interesting to like see how it all plays interesting to like see how it all plays out. out. out. >> His plan is what is this? One in every >> His plan is what is this? One in every >> His plan is what is this? One in every home within the space of basically no home within the space of basically no home within the space of basically no time at all. time at all. time at all. >> Yeah. I mean, like tons of demand, >> Yeah. I mean, like tons of demand, >> Yeah. I mean, like tons of demand, especially if it is smart and helpful. especially if it is smart and helpful. especially if it is smart and helpful. Um, it's kind of like Rosie from the Um, it's kind of like Rosie from the Um, it's kind of like Rosie from the Jetsons, right? Like do all the stuff I Jetsons, right? Like do all the stuff I Jetsons, right? Like do all the stuff I don't want to do. Go get the trash cans, don't want to do. Go get the trash cans, don't want to do. Go get the trash cans, take out the trash. take out the trash. take out the trash. >> Presume it powered by X AI in some >> Presume it powered by X AI in some >> Presume it powered by X AI in some regard. So, that is going to have to regard. So, that is going to have to regard. So, that is going to have to start to cross over the Tesla to XAI start to cross over the Tesla to XAI start to cross over the Tesla to XAI thing. So, that would suggest a natural thing. So, that would suggest a natural thing. So, that would suggest a natural sort of convergence. sort of convergence. sort of convergence. >> Well, Tesla has its own amazing AI team. >> Well, Tesla has its own amazing AI team. >> Well, Tesla has its own amazing AI team. They're building their own chips. U but They're building their own chips. U but They're building their own chips. U but he does say like Tesla because of all of he does say like Tesla because of all of he does say like Tesla because of all of the like real world AI stuff that the like real world AI stuff that the like real world AI stuff that Tesla's done to create self-driving Tesla's done to create self-driving Tesla's done to create self-driving that's actually very analogous to making that's actually very analogous to making that's actually very analogous to making really smart humanoid robots. And he he really smart humanoid robots. And he he really smart humanoid robots. And he he talks about having like a this crazy talks about having like a this crazy talks about having like a this crazy training center full of humanoid robots. training center full of humanoid robots. training center full of humanoid robots. Basically doing stuff like that looking Basically doing stuff like that looking Basically doing stuff like that looking like idiots trying to like figure out like idiots trying to like figure out like idiots trying to like figure out the training data and then getting the training data and then getting the training data and then getting rewards. Oh, you did it well. You closed rewards. Oh, you did it well. You closed rewards. Oh, you did it well. You closed it without looking like you're on it without looking like you're on it without looking like you're on ketamine. Congratulations. ketamine. Congratulations. ketamine. Congratulations. >> Who was I speaking to? [ __ ] I was >> Who was I speaking to? [ __ ] I was >> Who was I speaking to? [ __ ] I was talking to someone I was talking to talking to someone I was talking to talking to someone I was talking to someone at dinner the other night and someone at dinner the other night and someone at dinner the other night and they were saying that basically they they were saying that basically they they were saying that basically they think a lot of people are go oh it was think a lot of people are go oh it was think a lot of people are go oh it was uh my friend Austin um people are going uh my friend Austin um people are going uh my friend Austin um people are going to have to wear little cameras that show to have to wear little cameras that show to have to wear little cameras that show them going about their daily business to them going about their daily business to them going about their daily business to train robots this is a thing train robots this is a thing train robots this is a thing >> yeah I mean >> yeah I mean >> yeah I mean >> dude I've only just this has [ __ ] >> dude I've only just this has [ __ ] >> dude I've only just this has [ __ ] blown my mind because obviously that's blown my mind because obviously that's blown my mind because obviously that's how Tesla's full self-driving was uh how Tesla's full self-driving was uh how Tesla's full self-driving was uh trained right they took the top trained right they took the top trained right they took the top >> 1% 10% of drivers on Tesla and use their >> 1% 10% of drivers on Tesla and use their >> 1% 10% of drivers on Tesla and use their driving style to reverse engineer what driving style to reverse engineer what driving style to reverse engineer what humans do so that the robots that drive humans do so that the robots that drive humans do so that the robots that drive your Tesla can drive in the manner that your Tesla can drive in the manner that your Tesla can drive in the manner that you would. And it means that you've got you would. And it means that you've got you would. And it means that you've got more aggressive driving. You've got the more aggressive driving. You've got the more aggressive driving. You've got the ability to overtake an undertake, which ability to overtake an undertake, which ability to overtake an undertake, which if you ever get into a [ __ ] Whimo, it if you ever get into a [ __ ] Whimo, it if you ever get into a [ __ ] Whimo, it does not have the capacity to do that. does not have the capacity to do that. does not have the capacity to do that. It's the most tentative grandmar of all It's the most tentative grandmar of all It's the most tentative grandmar of all time because that's being created from time because that's being created from time because that's being created from first principles as opposed to the flow first principles as opposed to the flow first principles as opposed to the flow of traffic is other humans. I as a human of traffic is other humans. I as a human of traffic is other humans. I as a human amble able to detect that and adjust amble able to detect that and adjust amble able to detect that and adjust appropriately. Therefore, if I if you appropriately. Therefore, if I if you appropriately. Therefore, if I if you become me robot, then you can also be become me robot, then you can also be become me robot, then you can also be kind of a human. kind of a human. kind of a human. >> Yeah. And it is cool. In a Tesla, you >> Yeah. And it is cool. In a Tesla, you >> Yeah. And it is cool. In a Tesla, you can have it set like you can set like I can have it set like you can set like I can have it set like you can set like I want a chill drive or like I'm [ __ ] want a chill drive or like I'm [ __ ] want a chill drive or like I'm [ __ ] late. Like, let's go. late. Like, let's go. late. Like, let's go. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um, which is funny. >> Um, which is funny. >> Um, which is funny. >> But yeah, people are going to wear >> But yeah, people are going to wear >> But yeah, people are going to wear [ __ ] cameras that just they're going [ __ ] cameras that just they're going [ __ ] cameras that just they're going to crack eggs and and iron clothes and to crack eggs and and iron clothes and to crack eggs and and iron clothes and >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, training data has >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, training data has >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, training data has already been a huge like part of the already been a huge like part of the already been a huge like part of the economy. It's mostly like digital economy. It's mostly like digital economy. It's mostly like digital training data and companies are making a training data and companies are making a training data and companies are making a ton of money like selling training data ton of money like selling training data ton of money like selling training data to models digitally. But yeah, the the to models digitally. But yeah, the the to models digitally. But yeah, the the ability to like collect massive massive ability to like collect massive massive ability to like collect massive massive massive amounts of data and train AI and massive amounts of data and train AI and massive amounts of data and train AI and now in the real world train AI to like now in the real world train AI to like now in the real world train AI to like do all these do all these do all these >> I mean if someone's wearing one of >> I mean if someone's wearing one of >> I mean if someone's wearing one of those, you know, chest harness things those, you know, chest harness things those, you know, chest harness things with a DJI on it and yeah, they're going with a DJI on it and yeah, they're going with a DJI on it and yeah, they're going about they're they're already working at about they're they're already working at about they're they're already working at Starbucks or doing whatever. They're a Starbucks or doing whatever. They're a Starbucks or doing whatever. They're a mechanic and you go, well, do you want mechanic and you go, well, do you want mechanic and you go, well, do you want to earn an additional however many to earn an additional however many to earn an additional however many dollars per hour? Yeah. dollars per hour? Yeah. dollars per hour? Yeah. >> To submit your life to our training data >> To submit your life to our training data >> To submit your life to our training data and you need to, you know, it's and you need to, you know, it's and you need to, you know, it's basically like being an Uber driver but basically like being an Uber driver but basically like being an Uber driver but for your own life for your own life for your own life >> and then sending that digitally up to >> and then sending that digitally up to >> and then sending that digitally up to whoever needs to be trained. whoever needs to be trained. whoever needs to be trained. >> Did you see the thing about the meta >> Did you see the thing about the meta >> Did you see the thing about the meta glasses glasses glasses recently? This is like I'm not sure if recently? This is like I'm not sure if recently? This is like I'm not sure if this is in the press or I just read this this is in the press or I just read this this is in the press or I just read this in a tweet, but it's like those are in a tweet, but it's like those are in a tweet, but it's like those are always recording even if they're like always recording even if they're like always recording even if they're like not not not >> Oh, and some some uh uh like African >> Oh, and some some uh uh like African >> Oh, and some some uh uh like African [ __ ] AI labelers were able to see the [ __ ] AI labelers were able to see the [ __ ] AI labelers were able to see the faces weren't blurred out or something. faces weren't blurred out or something. faces weren't blurred out or something. >> Yeah. I mean, somebody just like puts >> Yeah. I mean, somebody just like puts >> Yeah. I mean, somebody just like puts the glasses on the nightstand and then the glasses on the nightstand and then the glasses on the nightstand and then like, you know, the spouse comes in and like, you know, the spouse comes in and like, you know, the spouse comes in and starts changing and there's like starts changing and there's like starts changing and there's like Nigerians like sitting there tagging Nigerians like sitting there tagging Nigerians like sitting there tagging data of like, "Yep, that's your wife data of like, "Yep, that's your wife data of like, "Yep, that's your wife changing clothes." Um cuz this thing changing clothes." Um cuz this thing changing clothes." Um cuz this thing doesn't stop recording like, you know, doesn't stop recording like, you know, doesn't stop recording like, you know, I'd rather wear it, you know, on my I'd rather wear it, you know, on my I'd rather wear it, you know, on my chest where I know chest where I know chest where I know >> put it put it in a lock box when I'm not >> put it put it in a lock box when I'm not >> put it put it in a lock box when I'm not on my uh on my uh on my uh >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We'll get back to talking in just one >> We'll get back to talking in just one >> We'll get back to talking in just one second, but first, tell me if this second, but first, tell me if this second, but first, tell me if this sounds familiar. You train regularly, sounds familiar. You train regularly, sounds familiar. You train regularly, you eat reasonably well, maybe you even you eat reasonably well, maybe you even you eat reasonably well, maybe you even supplement, you feel fine, but you're supplement, you feel fine, but you're supplement, you feel fine, but you're just kind of going off vibes. Most just kind of going off vibes. Most just kind of going off vibes. 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What are the things sets, do you think? What are the things that people don't realize? that people don't realize? that people don't realize? >> I think the the breadth of his skill set >> I think the the breadth of his skill set >> I think the the breadth of his skill set is is quite interesting. Um, I think if is is quite interesting. Um, I think if is is quite interesting. Um, I think if you try to emulate just one or two of you try to emulate just one or two of you try to emulate just one or two of these traits, like without appreciating these traits, like without appreciating these traits, like without appreciating how they interconnect, you could either how they interconnect, you could either how they interconnect, you could either make some mistakes or be an [ __ ] make some mistakes or be an [ __ ] make some mistakes or be an [ __ ] depending on like how you went about it. depending on like how you went about it. depending on like how you went about it. Um, but I think he's like he's a I don't Um, but I think he's like he's a I don't Um, but I think he's like he's a I don't know micromanager, but he's like in the know micromanager, but he's like in the know micromanager, but he's like in the technical details because he has technical details because he has technical details because he has technical expertise and like a strong technical expertise and like a strong technical expertise and like a strong intuition around the physics of things. intuition around the physics of things. intuition around the physics of things. um he has a deep fluency across not just um he has a deep fluency across not just um he has a deep fluency across not just the the physics and the engineering but the the physics and the engineering but the the physics and the engineering but also the finance and the economics like also the finance and the economics like also the finance and the economics like he he double majored in economics and he he double majored in economics and he he double majored in economics and physics in college. Um, and so from the physics in college. Um, and so from the physics in college. Um, and so from the very beginning he's been like he has a very beginning he's been like he has a very beginning he's been like he has a great line like to truly control the great line like to truly control the great line like to truly control the product you have to control the company. product you have to control the company. product you have to control the company. And he does not share power well, but And he does not share power well, but And he does not share power well, but there's been many times where he's made there's been many times where he's made there's been many times where he's made like a a risky or a technical decision like a a risky or a technical decision like a a risky or a technical decision based on his sort of economic and based on his sort of economic and based on his sort of economic and opportunity cost view of the future of opportunity cost view of the future of opportunity cost view of the future of the business. And so even early in the business. And so even early in the business. And so even early in SpaceX, he was he was driving maniacal SpaceX, he was he was driving maniacal SpaceX, he was he was driving maniacal urgency because he's like the future of urgency because he's like the future of urgency because he's like the future of this business is $10 million in revenue this business is $10 million in revenue this business is $10 million in revenue a day. And every day we [ __ ] around like a day. And every day we [ __ ] around like a day. And every day we [ __ ] around like every time you burn a day, every time every time you burn a day, every time every time you burn a day, every time you burn 12 hours, you burn half of our you burn 12 hours, you burn half of our you burn 12 hours, you burn half of our future $10 million a day run rate. So future $10 million a day run rate. So future $10 million a day run rate. So like like like >> let's go, let's go, let's go. Um, so >> let's go, let's go, let's go. Um, so >> let's go, let's go, let's go. Um, so that mix of like really big picture and that mix of like really big picture and that mix of like really big picture and deep in the details, understanding the deep in the details, understanding the deep in the details, understanding the limiting factor, attacking it, which is limiting factor, attacking it, which is limiting factor, attacking it, which is a mix of like that's technical skill, a mix of like that's technical skill, a mix of like that's technical skill, that's economic fluency, that's like a that's economic fluency, that's like a that's economic fluency, that's like a sense of project management actually. sense of project management actually. sense of project management actually. Um, and the ability to know how and when Um, and the ability to know how and when Um, and the ability to know how and when to like push push people. Like to like push push people. Like to like push push people. Like >> if if really really smart rocket >> if if really really smart rocket >> if if really really smart rocket scientists are telling you that's scientists are telling you that's scientists are telling you that's impossible. impossible. impossible. >> No. And he's like do it anyway. Like it >> No. And he's like do it anyway. Like it >> No. And he's like do it anyway. Like it is possible. I I I'm telling you it's is possible. I I I'm telling you it's is possible. I I I'm telling you it's possible. Go do it anyway. And you're possible. Go do it anyway. And you're possible. Go do it anyway. And you're seven out of 10 times even like even seven out of 10 times even like even seven out of 10 times even like even five out of even one out of 10 times. five out of even one out of 10 times. five out of even one out of 10 times. Cuz every time that you're right about Cuz every time that you're right about Cuz every time that you're right about that, you've gained like a jewel that that, you've gained like a jewel that that, you've gained like a jewel that will pay off for the whole rest of your will pay off for the whole rest of your will pay off for the whole rest of your company. and the nine times that you company. and the nine times that you company. and the nine times that you were wrong like, "Oh, oh, I guess you were wrong like, "Oh, oh, I guess you were wrong like, "Oh, oh, I guess you were right. Impossible did mean were right. Impossible did mean were right. Impossible did mean impossible in that sense." Or maybe impossible in that sense." Or maybe impossible in that sense." Or maybe we'll revisit it next year or what made we'll revisit it next year or what made we'll revisit it next year or what made it impossible. Maybe we can we can break it impossible. Maybe we can we can break it impossible. Maybe we can we can break that down further. Um, and so it's this that down further. Um, and so it's this that down further. Um, and so it's this the George Bernard Shaw quote like all the George Bernard Shaw quote like all the George Bernard Shaw quote like all progress depends on the unreasonable progress depends on the unreasonable progress depends on the unreasonable man. man. man. >> Like he's unreasonable. >> Like he's unreasonable. >> Like he's unreasonable. >> The unreasonable man. What about memory? >> The unreasonable man. What about memory? >> The unreasonable man. What about memory? It seems like he's got a pretty good It seems like he's got a pretty good It seems like he's got a pretty good memory. Yeah, that was one of the things memory. Yeah, that was one of the things memory. Yeah, that was one of the things um he he picked up really young early in um he he picked up really young early in um he he picked up really young early in life. He like read one of those memory life. He like read one of those memory life. He like read one of those memory trick books with the guys who like trick books with the guys who like trick books with the guys who like memorize a whole deck of cards. Um and memorize a whole deck of cards. Um and memorize a whole deck of cards. Um and so he's been using memory tricks um so he's been using memory tricks um so he's been using memory tricks um which you know one of the things of like which you know one of the things of like which you know one of the things of like how the hell does he do what he does how the hell does he do what he does how the hell does he do what he does like five companies like five companies like five companies many projects in all of them taking many projects in all of them taking many projects in all of them taking technical reviews like it'd be hard to technical reviews like it'd be hard to technical reviews like it'd be hard to remember all these people's names let remember all these people's names let remember all these people's names let alone like what they're doing week over alone like what they're doing week over alone like what they're doing week over week and where the bottlenecks are and week and where the bottlenecks are and week and where the bottlenecks are and all this stuff. And he's got you know he all this stuff. And he's got you know he all this stuff. And he's got you know he practiced those as a kid. Um, and so I practiced those as a kid. Um, and so I practiced those as a kid. Um, and so I think he still uses like memory palaces think he still uses like memory palaces think he still uses like memory palaces and some of these tricks which are one and some of these tricks which are one and some of these tricks which are one of those things that like that seems of those things that like that seems of those things that like that seems superhuman if if you don't know how it superhuman if if you don't know how it superhuman if if you don't know how it works. Um, and there's a lot of stories works. Um, and there's a lot of stories works. Um, and there's a lot of stories of him of him of him one of the ways he builds loyalty with one of the ways he builds loyalty with one of the ways he builds loyalty with his team actually is people are like, his team actually is people are like, his team actually is people are like, "Holy shit." When he he knows a specific "Holy shit." When he he knows a specific "Holy shit." When he he knows a specific technical detail like of somebody's technical detail like of somebody's technical detail like of somebody's project that is like, you know, a a has project that is like, you know, a a has project that is like, you know, a a has a direct report who has a direct report a direct report who has a direct report a direct report who has a direct report and he like is like, "You're the and he like is like, "You're the and he like is like, "You're the bottleneck. What's going on?" on and bottleneck. What's going on?" on and bottleneck. What's going on?" on and they're like this, this, and this. He's they're like this, this, and this. He's they're like this, this, and this. He's like, "Try this." They're kind of like, like, "Try this." They're kind of like, like, "Try this." They're kind of like, "Holy [ __ ] that worked." Like, "How how "Holy [ __ ] that worked." Like, "How how "Holy [ __ ] that worked." Like, "How how did you know that? You haven't like did you know that? You haven't like did you know that? You haven't like spent time in here." And it's this mix spent time in here." And it's this mix spent time in here." And it's this mix of of of >> I live with this every single day and >> I live with this every single day and >> I live with this every single day and you just came in and you just came in and you just came in and >> and had it. >> and had it. >> and had it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like that's a mix of memory and >> Like that's a mix of memory and >> Like that's a mix of memory and intuition and incredible like uh recall intuition and incredible like uh recall intuition and incredible like uh recall and and depth and feeling for that like and and depth and feeling for that like and and depth and feeling for that like the physics of the thing. the physics of the thing. the physics of the thing. >> Presumably risk and pain tolerance have >> Presumably risk and pain tolerance have >> Presumably risk and pain tolerance have to be two to be two to be two >> Yeah. is immersed in it like absolutely >> Yeah. is immersed in it like absolutely >> Yeah. is immersed in it like absolutely immersed in it and and back like I think immersed in it and and back like I think immersed in it and and back like I think this is a place where the kind of the this is a place where the kind of the this is a place where the kind of the asperers is can be an advantage like asperers is can be an advantage like asperers is can be an advantage like just lives in it over and over and over just lives in it over and over and over just lives in it over and over and over again again again >> lives in what >> lives in what >> lives in what >> the details of these products and these >> the details of these products and these >> the details of these products and these people and where the bottlenecks are people and where the bottlenecks are people and where the bottlenecks are like like like >> that wouldn't suggest why pain and risk >> that wouldn't suggest why pain and risk >> that wouldn't suggest why pain and risk are more are more are more palatable or maybe it would I don't know palatable or maybe it would I don't know palatable or maybe it would I don't know maybe people who are a little spectrumy maybe people who are a little spectrumy maybe people who are a little spectrumy don't have the same detection of risk don't have the same detection of risk don't have the same detection of risk they certainly don't have the same they certainly don't have the same they certainly don't have the same detection of other stuff detection of other stuff detection of other stuff >> well I think it It really helps to set >> well I think it It really helps to set >> well I think it It really helps to set aside social risk, which I think we aside social risk, which I think we aside social risk, which I think we blend a lot of, right? Like I'm going to blend a lot of, right? Like I'm going to blend a lot of, right? Like I'm going to look like a failure. People are going to look like a failure. People are going to look like a failure. People are going to think I'm wrong. It's going to ruin think I'm wrong. It's going to ruin think I'm wrong. It's going to ruin these relationships. Like he doesn't these relationships. Like he doesn't these relationships. Like he doesn't have any of that. And he says like it is have any of that. And he says like it is have any of that. And he says like it is a huge weakness to want to be liked and a huge weakness to want to be liked and a huge weakness to want to be liked and I do not have it. I do not have it. I do not have it. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> it is a huge weakness to want to be >> it is a huge weakness to want to be >> it is a huge weakness to want to be liked and I do not have it. liked and I do not have it. liked and I do not have it. >> He he tries to like >> He he tries to like >> He he tries to like >> weakness to want to be liked. You don't >> weakness to want to be liked. You don't >> weakness to want to be liked. You don't think that he wants to be liked? think that he wants to be liked? think that he wants to be liked? >> I do think he wants to be liked in a in >> I do think he wants to be liked in a in >> I do think he wants to be liked in a in a general sense. a general sense. a general sense. >> It's a huge weakness to think that you >> It's a huge weakness to think that you >> It's a huge weakness to think that you want to be liked. want to be liked. want to be liked. >> Yeah. the the willingness to enter into >> Yeah. the the willingness to enter into >> Yeah. the the willingness to enter into dislike I maybe is the thing like um dislike I maybe is the thing like um dislike I maybe is the thing like um >> I think uh >> I think uh >> I think uh >> you he tries to coach his managers and >> you he tries to coach his managers and >> you he tries to coach his managers and within the company versus outside the within the company versus outside the within the company versus outside the company like are you willing to be company like are you willing to be company like are you willing to be misunderstood by the general public and misunderstood by the general public and misunderstood by the general public and I that's an interesting question like if I that's an interesting question like if I that's an interesting question like if you had the chance pick your pick your you had the chance pick your pick your you had the chance pick your pick your divisive opinion right like are you divisive opinion right like are you divisive opinion right like are you pro-choice or pro-life or you open pro-choice or pro-life or you open pro-choice or pro-life or you open borders or closed borders whatever it borders or closed borders whatever it borders or closed borders whatever it like if you had the chance to like flip like if you had the chance to like flip like if you had the chance to like flip the switch and make that decision but the switch and make that decision but the switch and make that decision but But the catch is everybody knew it was But the catch is everybody knew it was But the catch is everybody knew it was you. Like are you willing to make a 100 you. Like are you willing to make a 100 you. Like are you willing to make a 100 million enemies million enemies million enemies who will do like lie, cheat, steal, who will do like lie, cheat, steal, who will do like lie, cheat, steal, fabricate, twist your words, like attack fabricate, twist your words, like attack fabricate, twist your words, like attack your family, do anything because like your family, do anything because like your family, do anything because like they hate the decision that you made. they hate the decision that you made. they hate the decision that you made. Like are you willing to do that? I think Like are you willing to do that? I think Like are you willing to do that? I think most people are not. And agree with or most people are not. And agree with or most people are not. And agree with or disagree with any particular decision disagree with any particular decision disagree with any particular decision like respect the the commitment and the like respect the the commitment and the like respect the the commitment and the courage that it takes to go do that. courage that it takes to go do that. courage that it takes to go do that. What do you think you learned about Elon What do you think you learned about Elon What do you think you learned about Elon that most biographies miss? What did that most biographies miss? What did that most biographies miss? What did doing this kind of a book teach you that doing this kind of a book teach you that doing this kind of a book teach you that biographies don't get at? biographies don't get at? biographies don't get at? I think I got way deeper in the tactics. I think I got way deeper in the tactics. I think I got way deeper in the tactics. Like I I try to my northstar for these Like I I try to my northstar for these Like I I try to my northstar for these books is usefulness to the reader. Like books is usefulness to the reader. Like books is usefulness to the reader. Like I try to collect all the most useful I try to collect all the most useful I try to collect all the most useful things that person has ever said. And things that person has ever said. And things that person has ever said. And the I want to simulate the feeling of the I want to simulate the feeling of the I want to simulate the feeling of being at dinner with Elon Musk. Like being at dinner with Elon Musk. Like being at dinner with Elon Musk. Like it's it's written as a dialogue. I keep it's it's written as a dialogue. I keep it's it's written as a dialogue. I keep it all in exactly his words as tightly it all in exactly his words as tightly it all in exactly his words as tightly as I can. I edit out anything that's as I can. I edit out anything that's as I can. I edit out anything that's doesn't feel like you would be curious doesn't feel like you would be curious doesn't feel like you would be curious about it from a sense of like how do I about it from a sense of like how do I about it from a sense of like how do I improve my own life and how did how did improve my own life and how did how did improve my own life and how did how did this happen? Um this happen? Um this happen? Um >> didn't the Nalmanac isn't that per word >> didn't the Nalmanac isn't that per word >> didn't the Nalmanac isn't that per word the most highlighted book in Kindle the most highlighted book in Kindle the most highlighted book in Kindle history or something? Is that a stat history or something? Is that a stat history or something? Is that a stat that I made up? that I made up? that I made up? >> Maybe I was trying to make it that. I >> Maybe I was trying to make it that. I >> Maybe I was trying to make it that. I don't I don't think Kindle will like don't I don't think Kindle will like don't I don't think Kindle will like give me that. Readwise said it's like in give me that. Readwise said it's like in give me that. Readwise said it's like in their their their >> top whatever, >> top whatever, >> top whatever, >> but that would be also including >> but that would be also including >> but that would be also including distribution probably not per word. Like distribution probably not per word. Like distribution probably not per word. Like what you want is for people who read what you want is for people who read what you want is for people who read this book, how much of the book is this book, how much of the book is this book, how much of the book is highlighted on Kindle. highlighted on Kindle. highlighted on Kindle. >> Yes. And I want I want to see like I >> Yes. And I want I want to see like I >> Yes. And I want I want to see like I love when people show me like beat to love when people show me like beat to love when people show me like beat to [ __ ] copies of their book. Like it's [ __ ] copies of their book. Like it's [ __ ] copies of their book. Like it's been in and out of the sauna, their been in and out of the sauna, their been in and out of the sauna, their backpack, everything. It's so backpack, everything. It's so backpack, everything. It's so satisfying. Yeah. satisfying. Yeah. satisfying. Yeah. >> Just ring it out. >> Just ring it out. >> Just ring it out. >> Yeah. Uh okay. So that >> Yeah. Uh okay. So that >> Yeah. Uh okay. So that like biography miss the Yeah, I think I like biography miss the Yeah, I think I like biography miss the Yeah, I think I I just go deeper into how like how does I just go deeper into how like how does I just go deeper into how like how does that person accomplish what they do? that person accomplish what they do? that person accomplish what they do? What are their what is their secret What are their what is their secret What are their what is their secret sauce? I feel like biographers kind of sauce? I feel like biographers kind of sauce? I feel like biographers kind of come at this from like come at this from like come at this from like how comprehensive and correct can I be how comprehensive and correct can I be how comprehensive and correct can I be about their whole history, not what's about their whole history, not what's about their whole history, not what's the most useful thing that you would the most useful thing that you would the most useful thing that you would pull out of the biography like that. I pull out of the biography like that. I pull out of the biography like that. I think that's why like David Sunro's think that's why like David Sunro's think that's why like David Sunro's episodes are amazing because he takes episodes are amazing because he takes episodes are amazing because he takes the biography and distills it and kind the biography and distills it and kind the biography and distills it and kind of boils it down. And that is like my of boils it down. And that is like my of boils it down. And that is like my approach is like take a million words approach is like take a million words approach is like take a million words and turn it into 50,000 of the most and turn it into 50,000 of the most and turn it into 50,000 of the most useful ones. Um, and to pull out the useful ones. Um, and to pull out the useful ones. Um, and to pull out the things that he would teach you if you things that he would teach you if you things that he would teach you if you were sitting across from him is like were sitting across from him is like were sitting across from him is like actually a really interesting actually a really interesting actually a really interesting kind of test for material to go through kind of test for material to go through kind of test for material to go through and how timeless can it be and how and how timeless can it be and how and how timeless can it be and how universally can it be applied. Like I universally can it be applied. Like I universally can it be applied. Like I think anybody on earth can take think anybody on earth can take think anybody on earth can take something useful out of this and I over something useful out of this and I over something useful out of this and I over and over again kind of sift it through and over again kind of sift it through and over again kind of sift it through that filter. It's like almost like a that filter. It's like almost like a that filter. It's like almost like a version of writing fiction because in version of writing fiction because in version of writing fiction because in fiction you're trying to bring a fiction you're trying to bring a fiction you're trying to bring a character to life and in this you're character to life and in this you're character to life and in this you're trying to be that person briefly to try trying to be that person briefly to try trying to be that person briefly to try and condense down what would they want and condense down what would they want and condense down what would they want to say of their own words that they've to say of their own words that they've to say of their own words that they've already said. What would they what would already said. What would they what would already said. What would they what would their top 50,000 be out of this million their top 50,000 be out of this million their top 50,000 be out of this million and a half if they were trying to be as and a half if they were trying to be as and a half if they were trying to be as helpful as possible like their best helpful as possible like their best helpful as possible like their best selves, right? So that's the other the selves, right? So that's the other the selves, right? So that's the other the other difference is like other difference is like other difference is like >> I'm not trying to build a comprehensive >> I'm not trying to build a comprehensive >> I'm not trying to build a comprehensive view of the person. I'm not trying to view of the person. I'm not trying to view of the person. I'm not trying to put them in historical context. I'm put them in historical context. I'm put them in historical context. I'm trying to be as useful as possible and I trying to be as useful as possible and I trying to be as useful as possible and I don't I don't dwell on any of the don't I don't dwell on any of the don't I don't dwell on any of the personal stuff, any of the political personal stuff, any of the political personal stuff, any of the political stuff. Like we don't talk about his stuff. Like we don't talk about his stuff. Like we don't talk about his family. family. family. >> It's just like what would he teach if he >> It's just like what would he teach if he >> It's just like what would he teach if he set out to teach all of the ideas that set out to teach all of the ideas that set out to teach all of the ideas that he had the most conviction in? Yeah, he had the most conviction in? Yeah, he had the most conviction in? Yeah, it's an interesting challenge with it's an interesting challenge with it's an interesting challenge with somebody who is as uh widely regarded somebody who is as uh widely regarded somebody who is as uh widely regarded and hated as Elon because almost and hated as Elon because almost and hated as Elon because almost everything that everybody wants to talk everything that everybody wants to talk everything that everybody wants to talk about is not to do with the tactics and about is not to do with the tactics and about is not to do with the tactics and the principles and the purpose. It's to the principles and the purpose. It's to the principles and the purpose. It's to do with the intention. It's to do with do with the intention. It's to do with do with the intention. It's to do with the drive. It's to do with the ethics the drive. It's to do with the ethics the drive. It's to do with the ethics and the scruples. And almost every and the scruples. And almost every and the scruples. And almost every conversation I hear people have casually conversation I hear people have casually conversation I hear people have casually about Elon is them projecting their own about Elon is them projecting their own about Elon is them projecting their own opinion. They're using Elon as a foil to opinion. They're using Elon as a foil to opinion. They're using Elon as a foil to be like, I think it's great that we're be like, I think it's great that we're be like, I think it's great that we're going to Mars and doing these things or going to Mars and doing these things or going to Mars and doing these things or I think it's terrible that he made this I think it's terrible that he made this I think it's terrible that he made this decision about, you know, the US aid. decision about, you know, the US aid. decision about, you know, the US aid. And that's fine. Like you can agree or And that's fine. Like you can agree or And that's fine. Like you can agree or disagree with anything that this person disagree with anything that this person disagree with anything that this person does, but like you're using that to does, but like you're using that to does, but like you're using that to project your values. You're not asking project your values. You're not asking project your values. You're not asking like what can I learn from this person? like what can I learn from this person? like what can I learn from this person? And to pick somebody as an exemplar is And to pick somebody as an exemplar is And to pick somebody as an exemplar is not to say that everything they do is not to say that everything they do is not to say that everything they do is correct. Like I I very much believe in correct. Like I I very much believe in correct. Like I I very much believe in model traits, not people. And so my model traits, not people. And so my model traits, not people. And so my aspiration is to collect the most useful aspiration is to collect the most useful aspiration is to collect the most useful traits of some of the most accomplished traits of some of the most accomplished traits of some of the most accomplished people and make them accessible and people and make them accessible and people and make them accessible and useful. useful. useful. >> One of the most interesting ideas is the >> One of the most interesting ideas is the >> One of the most interesting ideas is the idiot index. idiot index. idiot index. >> What's that? >> What's that? >> What's that? >> The idiot index he uh it's kind of an >> The idiot index he uh it's kind of an >> The idiot index he uh it's kind of an outcropping uh it's a it's downstream of outcropping uh it's a it's downstream of outcropping uh it's a it's downstream of the first principal's thinking. And so the first principal's thinking. And so the first principal's thinking. And so the idiot index applies to a particular the idiot index applies to a particular the idiot index applies to a particular part or a particular product and it's part or a particular product and it's part or a particular product and it's the difference between the raw material the difference between the raw material the difference between the raw material cost and the price. And so an example, cost and the price. And so an example, cost and the price. And so an example, he he absolutely roasted an engineer in he he absolutely roasted an engineer in he he absolutely roasted an engineer in a meeting who like didn't know what the a meeting who like didn't know what the a meeting who like didn't know what the stupidest parts in his product were stupidest parts in his product were stupidest parts in his product were >> in his composite cuz that shows you >> in his composite cuz that shows you >> in his composite cuz that shows you where you're massively overpaying. So where you're massively overpaying. So where you're massively overpaying. So there's a part um that was they were there's a part um that was they were there's a part um that was they were paying $13,000 for that was like one paying $13,000 for that was like one paying $13,000 for that was like one piece of steel and if you just weight piece of steel and if you just weight piece of steel and if you just weight it, the weight of that steel was worth it, the weight of that steel was worth it, the weight of that steel was worth like $200. And so he's like, you like $200. And so he's like, you like $200. And so he's like, you multiply the price of the raw material multiply the price of the raw material multiply the price of the raw material or divide that out of the total price or divide that out of the total price or divide that out of the total price and like I don't know what that is all and like I don't know what that is all and like I don't know what that is all the time. I have a big number. Like the time. I have a big number. Like the time. I have a big number. Like that's [ __ ] stupid. We're overpaying that's [ __ ] stupid. We're overpaying that's [ __ ] stupid. We're overpaying by like by like by like >> 50x for that thing. So like how cheaply >> 50x for that thing. So like how cheaply >> 50x for that thing. So like how cheaply can you get the steel and then get it can you get the steel and then get it can you get the steel and then get it into that shape? into that shape? into that shape? And you get those insane idiot indexes And you get those insane idiot indexes And you get those insane idiot indexes especially in aerospace because especially in aerospace because especially in aerospace because outsource and then outsource and then outsource and then outsource and then outsource and then outsource and then outsource and so there's like layers of outsource and so there's like layers of outsource and so there's like layers of delegation and profit. is arbiting their delegation and profit. is arbiting their delegation and profit. is arbiting their profit off the top of this final thing profit off the top of this final thing profit off the top of this final thing that ends up coming down. There's that ends up coming down. There's that ends up coming down. There's Rolls-Royce that make the engine, but Rolls-Royce that make the engine, but Rolls-Royce that make the engine, but before that, the turbine is mil in this before that, the turbine is mil in this before that, the turbine is mil in this place. And before that, the raw place. And before that, the raw place. And before that, the raw materials are mined out of materials are mined out of materials are mined out of >> Yeah, there's like five subcontracts, >> Yeah, there's like five subcontracts, >> Yeah, there's like five subcontracts, which you got like one guy who's like which you got like one guy who's like which you got like one guy who's like welding a thing together and you're welding a thing together and you're welding a thing together and you're like, "Oh, just bring that guy over like, "Oh, just bring that guy over like, "Oh, just bring that guy over here." And then the part is like 400 here." And then the part is like 400 here." And then the part is like 400 bucks. bucks. bucks. >> Great. >> Great. >> Great. >> We just saved $12,000. >> We just saved $12,000. >> We just saved $12,000. >> I guess asking the question, why is this >> I guess asking the question, why is this >> I guess asking the question, why is this so expensive? so expensive? so expensive? >> 100% >> 100% >> 100% >> becomes quite a powerful question. And >> becomes quite a powerful question. And >> becomes quite a powerful question. And then power ranking the things like what then power ranking the things like what then power ranking the things like what is most expensive like we're attacking is most expensive like we're attacking is most expensive like we're attacking that one. What's the second most that one. What's the second most that one. What's the second most expensive? We're attacking that one. And expensive? We're attacking that one. And expensive? We're attacking that one. And this is how I mean this is how he's able this is how I mean this is how he's able this is how I mean this is how he's able to make these huge cost breakthroughs to make these huge cost breakthroughs to make these huge cost breakthroughs that then make things more and more and that then make things more and more and that then make things more and more and more available. more available. more available. >> What have been the biggest cost >> What have been the biggest cost >> What have been the biggest cost breakthroughs? What have been the ones breakthroughs? What have been the ones breakthroughs? What have been the ones that have completely unlocked SpaceX, that have completely unlocked SpaceX, that have completely unlocked SpaceX, Tesla? Tesla? Tesla? >> I I think it's a million little ones all >> I I think it's a million little ones all >> I I think it's a million little ones all stacked up, right? So like there that stacked up, right? So like there that stacked up, right? So like there that that one example like $13,000 to 200 is that one example like $13,000 to 200 is that one example like $13,000 to 200 is like more than two orders of magnitude, like more than two orders of magnitude, like more than two orders of magnitude, you know? 500x or something. Um there's you know? 500x or something. Um there's you know? 500x or something. Um there's there's a story about like a latch that there's a story about like a latch that there's a story about like a latch that was supposed to be $1,000 or something was supposed to be $1,000 or something was supposed to be $1,000 or something and a guy just like looked at it and was and a guy just like looked at it and was and a guy just like looked at it and was like kind of looks like a bathroom stall like kind of looks like a bathroom stall like kind of looks like a bathroom stall latch and so he like went to Home Depot, latch and so he like went to Home Depot, latch and so he like went to Home Depot, bought a bathroom stall latch and was bought a bathroom stall latch and was bought a bathroom stall latch and was like did a little did a little m magic like did a little did a little m magic like did a little did a little m magic on it. He's like, "Okay, did it 50 on it. He's like, "Okay, did it 50 on it. He's like, "Okay, did it 50 bucks. Boom." Um and so just that bucks. Boom." Um and so just that bucks. Boom." Um and so just that scrainess over every single part, every scrainess over every single part, every scrainess over every single part, every single part. Every single part. And you single part. Every single part. And you single part. Every single part. And you know, it's it's just this simple things know, it's it's just this simple things know, it's it's just this simple things done over and over and over again with done over and over and over again with done over and over and over again with like ruthless intensity. like ruthless intensity. like ruthless intensity. >> And >> And >> And really, it goes back to the the kind of really, it goes back to the the kind of really, it goes back to the the kind of the quote that you brought up about like the quote that you brought up about like the quote that you brought up about like feeling the pain of your decisions. Like feeling the pain of your decisions. Like feeling the pain of your decisions. Like >> if there's a company making money by >> if there's a company making money by >> if there's a company making money by selling a part that they bought from a selling a part that they bought from a selling a part that they bought from a subcontractor for $100 and then selling subcontractor for $100 and then selling subcontractor for $100 and then selling it to $500, like who cares? And if the it to $500, like who cares? And if the it to $500, like who cares? And if the ultimate buyer is the government who ultimate buyer is the government who ultimate buyer is the government who like can just have a blackbox budget, like can just have a blackbox budget, like can just have a blackbox budget, like fine, doesn't matter. But if Elon like fine, doesn't matter. But if Elon like fine, doesn't matter. But if Elon comes in and says like, I need to drop comes in and says like, I need to drop comes in and says like, I need to drop the cost of space launch by two orders the cost of space launch by two orders the cost of space launch by two orders of magnitude in order to accomplish this of magnitude in order to accomplish this of magnitude in order to accomplish this thing and then two more orders of thing and then two more orders of thing and then two more orders of magnitude because we need to get to magnitude because we need to get to magnitude because we need to get to [ __ ] Mars. Then like now the goal, [ __ ] Mars. Then like now the goal, [ __ ] Mars. Then like now the goal, the bar is so much higher. And you start the bar is so much higher. And you start the bar is so much higher. And you start asking questions like how cheap can it asking questions like how cheap can it asking questions like how cheap can it get? How cheap can it get? Can't we do get? How cheap can it get? Can't we do get? How cheap can it get? Can't we do this cheaper? Do we need that part at this cheaper? Do we need that part at this cheaper? Do we need that part at all? Like simplifying, eliminating, all? Like simplifying, eliminating, all? Like simplifying, eliminating, reducing costs. Um, and and that's, you reducing costs. Um, and and that's, you reducing costs. Um, and and that's, you know, when when it's SpaceX, it feels know, when when it's SpaceX, it feels know, when when it's SpaceX, it feels more abstract because like none of us more abstract because like none of us more abstract because like none of us are consuming rockets, but we're buying are consuming rockets, but we're buying are consuming rockets, but we're buying a Tesla, we care a lot whether it's a Tesla, we care a lot whether it's a Tesla, we care a lot whether it's $20,000 or $30,000, that's massive. And $20,000 or $30,000, that's massive. And $20,000 or $30,000, that's massive. And that changes by a huge number the number that changes by a huge number the number that changes by a huge number the number of people who can access a nice car of people who can access a nice car of people who can access a nice car that's safe, that doesn't pollute, that's safe, that doesn't pollute, that's safe, that doesn't pollute, right? And so like if in five or 10 more right? And so like if in five or 10 more right? And so like if in five or 10 more years we keep doing these things, we years we keep doing these things, we years we keep doing these things, we keep eliminating parts, we keep keep eliminating parts, we keep keep eliminating parts, we keep increasing scale, we keep uh lowering increasing scale, we keep uh lowering increasing scale, we keep uh lowering the idiot idiot index of every part, the idiot idiot index of every part, the idiot idiot index of every part, then like now the car is $10,000 and then like now the car is $10,000 and then like now the car is $10,000 and it's like an absolute no-brainer. Um and it's like an absolute no-brainer. Um and it's like an absolute no-brainer. Um and the the world is quieter and calmer and the the world is quieter and calmer and the the world is quieter and calmer and cleaner. cleaner. cleaner. >> As you move forward, allies will >> As you move forward, allies will >> As you move forward, allies will assemble around you. assemble around you. assemble around you. >> Yeah. I mean, there's no better example >> Yeah. I mean, there's no better example >> Yeah. I mean, there's no better example than Chris Williamson than Chris Williamson than Chris Williamson because of all of my allies. Yeah. I because of all of my allies. Yeah. I because of all of my allies. Yeah. I mean, think this like this started with mean, think this like this started with mean, think this like this started with you and a microphone, you and a microphone, you and a microphone, >> right? Like what, seven years ago? >> right? Like what, seven years ago? >> right? Like what, seven years ago? >> Eight >> Eight >> Eight >> eight years ago. Like a thousand >> eight years ago. Like a thousand >> eight years ago. Like a thousand episodes later. episodes later. episodes later. >> There's there's like an army at your >> There's there's like an army at your >> There's there's like an army at your back. back. back. >> You got an incredible team here. You got >> You got an incredible team here. You got >> You got an incredible team here. You got millions of listeners. You got people millions of listeners. You got people millions of listeners. You got people all around the world who are like all around the world who are like all around the world who are like excited to see you tour. Um, but you excited to see you tour. Um, but you excited to see you tour. Um, but you didn't wait for a million people to like didn't wait for a million people to like didn't wait for a million people to like demand for you to create a podcast. You demand for you to create a podcast. You demand for you to create a podcast. You started and you had one fan and then two started and you had one fan and then two started and you had one fan and then two and then four and then eight and you and then four and then eight and you and then four and then eight and you know thousand episodes later like here know thousand episodes later like here know thousand episodes later like here you are. You just have to start carrying you are. You just have to start carrying you are. You just have to start carrying that flag. that flag. that flag. >> Do you think because when people think >> Do you think because when people think >> Do you think because when people think about Elon when they talk about him a about Elon when they talk about him a about Elon when they talk about him a lot of the time it is this it's quite lot of the time it is this it's quite lot of the time it is this it's quite canankerous it's adversarial there is canankerous it's adversarial there is canankerous it's adversarial there is this superaggression the bias for action this superaggression the bias for action this superaggression the bias for action and the urgency all of this would make and the urgency all of this would make and the urgency all of this would make you think difficult to work for hiring you think difficult to work for hiring you think difficult to work for hiring and firing maybe there is a runway for and firing maybe there is a runway for and firing maybe there is a runway for each individual member of staff. I each individual member of staff. I each individual member of staff. I reckon I can get on average I would love reckon I can get on average I would love reckon I can get on average I would love to know what the average tenure is and I to know what the average tenure is and I to know what the average tenure is and I get nine months out of people but I get get nine months out of people but I get get nine months out of people but I get nine months of 100 hours a week or nine months of 100 hours a week or nine months of 100 hours a week or something like that let's say you okay something like that let's say you okay something like that let's say you okay well that and that is just the cost of well that and that is just the cost of well that and that is just the cost of doing business in order to push people doing business in order to push people doing business in order to push people at the pace that I want to I need to at the pace that I want to I need to at the pace that I want to I need to have a bigger staff base in order to do have a bigger staff base in order to do have a bigger staff base in order to do that have you got any idea about how he that have you got any idea about how he that have you got any idea about how he hires about what his hiring process is hires about what his hiring process is hires about what his hiring process is like he must have just the most insane like he must have just the most insane like he must have just the most insane HR department that is constantly trying HR department that is constantly trying HR department that is constantly trying to put out fires as per people yeah to put out fires as per people yeah to put out fires as per people yeah permanent permanent ly people just like permanent permanent ly people just like permanent permanent ly people just like [ __ ] exiting the business because I I [ __ ] exiting the business because I I [ __ ] exiting the business because I I can't like it's like a Leonardo DiCaprio can't like it's like a Leonardo DiCaprio can't like it's like a Leonardo DiCaprio dating someone who's 25 and you're like dating someone who's 25 and you're like dating someone who's 25 and you're like [ __ ] the day that she Yeah, exactly. [ __ ] the day that she Yeah, exactly. [ __ ] the day that she Yeah, exactly. Like what 26 you're out like you know. Like what 26 you're out like you know. Like what 26 you're out like you know. >> Yeah. But Elon talks about is like >> Yeah. But Elon talks about is like >> Yeah. But Elon talks about is like phoning in rich of like people have a phoning in rich of like people have a phoning in rich of like people have a certain level of success and then he's certain level of success and then he's certain level of success and then he's like you you gone soft like I'm not like you you gone soft like I'm not like you you gone soft like I'm not getting we're not getting enough out of getting we're not getting enough out of getting we're not getting enough out of you anymore. You're not dedicated you anymore. You're not dedicated you anymore. You're not dedicated enough. Um and people exit. His hiring enough. Um and people exit. His hiring enough. Um and people exit. His hiring process is you know at least he speaks process is you know at least he speaks process is you know at least he speaks about it very simply. He's like, I'm about it very simply. He's like, I'm about it very simply. He's like, I'm looking for evidence of exceptional looking for evidence of exceptional looking for evidence of exceptional ability. And he wants to hire young, ability. And he wants to hire young, ability. And he wants to hire young, brilliant engineers, even if they're not brilliant engineers, even if they're not brilliant engineers, even if they're not necessarily like super trained, but they necessarily like super trained, but they necessarily like super trained, but they have the capability to solve problems in have the capability to solve problems in have the capability to solve problems in this really quick way. And the culture, this really quick way. And the culture, this really quick way. And the culture, I think, is such he's done a amazing job I think, is such he's done a amazing job I think, is such he's done a amazing job of like building that intensity and the of like building that intensity and the of like building that intensity and the decision-m process into the culture such decision-m process into the culture such decision-m process into the culture such that like people who come in are kind of that like people who come in are kind of that like people who come in are kind of brought along and swept up in it and carried through like you do go through carried through like you do go through that machine. Um, but those allies are that machine. Um, but those allies are that machine. Um, but those allies are stumbling around you. Like people have stumbling around you. Like people have stumbling around you. Like people have to choose to come work for you and it's to choose to come work for you and it's to choose to come work for you and it's because he chose these giant purposes. because he chose these giant purposes. because he chose these giant purposes. Um, but you know, it's easy to forget Um, but you know, it's easy to forget Um, but you know, it's easy to forget that these started really small and that these started really small and that these started really small and really crazy and he had to paint these really crazy and he had to paint these really crazy and he had to paint these big pictures to get people to be excited big pictures to get people to be excited big pictures to get people to be excited and show up and give their all for it. and show up and give their all for it. and show up and give their all for it. >> The most common mistake at smart >> The most common mistake at smart >> The most common mistake at smart engineers is to optimize something that engineers is to optimize something that engineers is to optimize something that should not exist. should not exist. should not exist. >> Yeah, this is uh he likens this to like >> Yeah, this is uh he likens this to like >> Yeah, this is uh he likens this to like school teaches us to solve the problem school teaches us to solve the problem school teaches us to solve the problem in front of us. Like you can't reject a in front of us. Like you can't reject a in front of us. Like you can't reject a question on a test, question on a test, question on a test, >> but actually, >> but actually, >> but actually, >> oh, this is a stupid question. I don't >> oh, this is a stupid question. I don't >> oh, this is a stupid question. I don't want to answer it. want to answer it. want to answer it. >> Yeah, dumb. Don't like it. Take it back. >> Yeah, dumb. Don't like it. Take it back. >> Yeah, dumb. Don't like it. Take it back. Oh, 100%. Yeah, congratulations. Here's Oh, 100%. Yeah, congratulations. Here's Oh, 100%. Yeah, congratulations. Here's your A. It doesn't happen. Um, so the your A. It doesn't happen. Um, so the your A. It doesn't happen. Um, so the piece that he the first step of the piece that he the first step of the piece that he the first step of the algorithm, this is his like five-step algorithm, this is his like five-step algorithm, this is his like five-step engineering process, is to question the engineering process, is to question the engineering process, is to question the requirements. And then the second is to requirements. And then the second is to requirements. And then the second is to try very very hard to delete the part or try very very hard to delete the part or try very very hard to delete the part or process. You know, the best part is no process. You know, the best part is no process. You know, the best part is no part. The best process is no process. So part. The best process is no process. So part. The best process is no process. So if something can be deleted, the product if something can be deleted, the product if something can be deleted, the product gets simpler. And simplicity, as he gets simpler. And simplicity, as he gets simpler. And simplicity, as he says, delivers both reliability and low says, delivers both reliability and low says, delivers both reliability and low cost. And so I think it is this we spend cost. And so I think it is this we spend cost. And so I think it is this we spend so much time doing things or optimizing so much time doing things or optimizing so much time doing things or optimizing things that that truly don't need to things that that truly don't need to things that that truly don't need to exist. Um exist. Um exist. Um >> and if you look at, you know, the >> and if you look at, you know, the >> and if you look at, you know, the complexity of plenty of products around complexity of plenty of products around complexity of plenty of products around us, it's like, did nobody try to put us, it's like, did nobody try to put us, it's like, did nobody try to put these parts together? Um, but when these parts together? Um, but when these parts together? Um, but when you're trying to build a car out of you're trying to build a car out of you're trying to build a car out of 10,000 different parts, you're like, 10,000 different parts, you're like, 10,000 different parts, you're like, "All right, every time I can put I can "All right, every time I can put I can "All right, every time I can put I can combine these two things, it's one less combine these two things, it's one less combine these two things, it's one less thing to attach to another." And then thing to attach to another." And then thing to attach to another." And then it's four less parts because I don't it's four less parts because I don't it's four less parts because I don't need these two screws to connect these need these two screws to connect these need these two screws to connect these two parts together. Um, and it's less two parts together. Um, and it's less two parts together. Um, and it's less tolerance like it's it's less things tolerance like it's it's less things tolerance like it's it's less things that can space to show up in the thing. that can space to show up in the thing. that can space to show up in the thing. There's less things that can fall apart There's less things that can fall apart There's less things that can fall apart if they're one unit instead of two. So, if they're one unit instead of two. So, if they're one unit instead of two. So, it is part of the process to just it is part of the process to just it is part of the process to just revisit and revisit and revisit. If you revisit and revisit and revisit. If you revisit and revisit and revisit. If you don't eat the glass, you're not going to don't eat the glass, you're not going to don't eat the glass, you're not going to be successful. be successful. be successful. >> Oh, yeah. His uh I think this is >> Oh, yeah. His uh I think this is >> Oh, yeah. His uh I think this is originally a Bill Lee quote who's a originally a Bill Lee quote who's a originally a Bill Lee quote who's a friend of his and entrepreneurship is friend of his and entrepreneurship is friend of his and entrepreneurship is like eating glass and staring into the like eating glass and staring into the like eating glass and staring into the abyss. And I the followup is like abyss. And I the followup is like abyss. And I the followup is like eventually you start to like the taste eventually you start to like the taste eventually you start to like the taste of of of >> your own blood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> your own blood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> your own blood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I think >> I think >> I think it is a sad lesson for people who are on it is a sad lesson for people who are on it is a sad lesson for people who are on the outside of business that like the the outside of business that like the the outside of business that like the idea of running a business that at some idea of running a business that at some idea of running a business that at some point all of the problems will go away. point all of the problems will go away. point all of the problems will go away. But you are the person in charge of the But you are the person in charge of the But you are the person in charge of the problems. Yeah. problems. Yeah. problems. Yeah. >> Like that's your your job is to find the >> Like that's your your job is to find the >> Like that's your your job is to find the biggest problem and to always be at the biggest problem and to always be at the biggest problem and to always be at the vanguard of trying to fix that problem. vanguard of trying to fix that problem. vanguard of trying to fix that problem. And at no point throughout your entire And at no point throughout your entire And at no point throughout your entire career will there be no problems. And career will there be no problems. And career will there be no problems. And given that you are ultimately the given that you are ultimately the given that you are ultimately the problem solver the buck stops with. problem solver the buck stops with. problem solver the buck stops with. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Guess what? It's going to be on you and >> Guess what? It's going to be on you and >> Guess what? It's going to be on you and it's going to be on you for the rest of it's going to be on you for the rest of it's going to be on you for the rest of time. And if the business is in decline, time. And if the business is in decline, time. And if the business is in decline, that is a problem. And if the business that is a problem. And if the business that is a problem. And if the business is in ascendancy, you will have new is in ascendancy, you will have new is in ascendancy, you will have new bigger problems as you push new bigger problems as you push new bigger problems as you push new frontiers. frontiers. frontiers. >> Yes. So you better fall in love with >> Yes. So you better fall in love with >> Yes. So you better fall in love with solving problems. solving problems. solving problems. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um it's a very interesting uh he he >> Um it's a very interesting uh he he >> Um it's a very interesting uh he he didn't originally set out as CEO of didn't originally set out as CEO of didn't originally set out as CEO of Tesla and he didn't he says he didn't Tesla and he didn't he says he didn't Tesla and he didn't he says he didn't want to become CEO of Tesla and he just want to become CEO of Tesla and he just want to become CEO of Tesla and he just felt like compelled to do it at a felt like compelled to do it at a felt like compelled to do it at a certain point because if he didn't he certain point because if he didn't he certain point because if he didn't he felt like it the company would have felt like it the company would have felt like it the company would have failed failed failed >> and that the sense of like internalizing >> and that the sense of like internalizing >> and that the sense of like internalizing responsibility of like the the outcome responsibility of like the the outcome responsibility of like the the outcome of the mission is more important than my of the mission is more important than my of the mission is more important than my desire for for comfort or my desire to desire for for comfort or my desire to desire for for comfort or my desire to avoid problems. Like as CEO, you are avoid problems. Like as CEO, you are avoid problems. Like as CEO, you are dealing with a a distillation of the dealing with a a distillation of the dealing with a a distillation of the worst problems in the company. And worst problems in the company. And worst problems in the company. And that's the chewing glass piece. Like if that's the chewing glass piece. Like if that's the chewing glass piece. Like if you're not going to the hard part, if you're not going to the hard part, if you're not going to the hard part, if you're not tackling the hardest thing, you're not tackling the hardest thing, you're not tackling the hardest thing, then you know that denial or that lack then you know that denial or that lack then you know that denial or that lack of urgency or that willful blindness is of urgency or that willful blindness is of urgency or that willful blindness is going to catch up with you and the going to catch up with you and the going to catch up with you and the company is going to suffer. company is going to suffer. company is going to suffer. >> Oh yeah. Because ultimately that is the >> Oh yeah. Because ultimately that is the >> Oh yeah. Because ultimately that is the biggest bottleneck, right? That is the biggest bottleneck, right? That is the biggest bottleneck, right? That is the thing that is holding everything else thing that is holding everything else thing that is holding everything else up. And if you're the leader, where you up. And if you're the leader, where you up. And if you're the leader, where you direct that attention is where the direct that attention is where the direct that attention is where the organization sort of chooses to focus. organization sort of chooses to focus. organization sort of chooses to focus. >> What's that thing that Formula One >> What's that thing that Formula One >> What's that thing that Formula One drivers talk about? Don't look at the drivers talk about? Don't look at the drivers talk about? Don't look at the wall. Like the car goes where you look. wall. Like the car goes where you look. wall. Like the car goes where you look. The The The >> car goes where you look. >> car goes where you look. >> car goes where you look. >> Yeah. And the the company will go where >> Yeah. And the the company will go where >> Yeah. And the the company will go where you look and presumably all of the staff you look and presumably all of the staff you look and presumably all of the staff that work for you as well. that work for you as well. that work for you as well. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Which I think is another part of >> Yeah. Which I think is another part of >> Yeah. Which I think is another part of like his this comes from the military like his this comes from the military like his this comes from the military history of like being a battlefield history of like being a battlefield history of like being a battlefield general, always being at the front. Your general, always being at the front. Your general, always being at the front. Your troops fight harder when you're there. troops fight harder when you're there. troops fight harder when you're there. This is why he sleeps in the factory. This is why he sleeps in the factory. This is why he sleeps in the factory. This is why he physically goes to This is why he physically goes to This is why he physically goes to wherever the problem is immediately. wherever the problem is immediately. wherever the problem is immediately. like that leading from the front is a like that leading from the front is a like that leading from the front is a part of how he gets so much out of the part of how he gets so much out of the part of how he gets so much out of the people that he works with. people that he works with. people that he works with. >> I'm doing it. I'm in the trenches. I'm >> I'm doing it. I'm in the trenches. I'm >> I'm doing it. I'm in the trenches. I'm sleeping on the factory floor. You can sleeping on the factory floor. You can sleeping on the factory floor. You can do it. do it. do it. >> We are We are suffering together like >> We are We are suffering together like >> We are We are suffering together like for a good cause. It's worth it. We can for a good cause. It's worth it. We can for a good cause. It's worth it. We can do it. do it. do it. >> Well, also that's the way that he's >> Well, also that's the way that he's >> Well, also that's the way that he's constructed, right? That's the way that constructed, right? That's the way that constructed, right? That's the way that he's built. he's built. he's built. >> I do think that's authentic to him. Yes. >> I do think that's authentic to him. Yes. >> I do think that's authentic to him. Yes. Um and he he leans into it and he you Um and he he leans into it and he you Um and he he leans into it and he you know he says like I'm wired for war. know he says like I'm wired for war. know he says like I'm wired for war. Like I find comfort in like those kind Like I find comfort in like those kind Like I find comfort in like those kind of challenges, those kind of of challenges, those kind of of challenges, those kind of >> so much so that you construct wars that >> so much so that you construct wars that >> so much so that you construct wars that don't even exist. You create chaos and don't even exist. You create chaos and don't even exist. You create chaos and discomfort when you don't need to. discomfort when you don't need to. discomfort when you don't need to. >> Yeah. But I think he would rather heir >> Yeah. But I think he would rather heir >> Yeah. But I think he would rather heir on the side of on the side of on the side of like over over dosing on anxiety, like over over dosing on anxiety, like over over dosing on anxiety, overdosing on effort, making sure that overdosing on effort, making sure that overdosing on effort, making sure that nothing slips, making sure he's always nothing slips, making sure he's always nothing slips, making sure he's always making as much progress as they possibly making as much progress as they possibly making as much progress as they possibly can. can. can. >> What do you think the inside of his >> What do you think the inside of his >> What do you think the inside of his mind's like to exist in that? He calls mind's like to exist in that? He calls mind's like to exist in that? He calls it a a storm or a non-stop explosion. it a a storm or a non-stop explosion. it a a storm or a non-stop explosion. Those are like the two ways he's Those are like the two ways he's Those are like the two ways he's described it. And someone was like, "Is described it. And someone was like, "Is described it. And someone was like, "Is it a happy storm?" I was like, "No." I I it a happy storm?" I was like, "No." I I it a happy storm?" I was like, "No." I I don't know that he's been formally don't know that he's been formally don't know that he's been formally diagnosed, but I think he has talked diagnosed, but I think he has talked diagnosed, but I think he has talked about either tendencies towards not just about either tendencies towards not just about either tendencies towards not just asperers, but also um some bipolar asperers, but also um some bipolar asperers, but also um some bipolar tendencies. And tendencies. And tendencies. And that's a hard hand with especially with, that's a hard hand with especially with, that's a hard hand with especially with, you know, a traumatic childhood. Um, and you know, a traumatic childhood. Um, and you know, a traumatic childhood. Um, and the the stresses that he deals with, you the the stresses that he deals with, you the the stresses that he deals with, you know, publicly and privately and like know, publicly and privately and like know, publicly and privately and like he's carries heavy load. he's carries heavy load. he's carries heavy load. >> Do you think he's actually a genius or >> Do you think he's actually a genius or >> Do you think he's actually a genius or is he just someone who's consistently is he just someone who's consistently is he just someone who's consistently applying a handful of sort of brutal applying a handful of sort of brutal applying a handful of sort of brutal principles over and over again? principles over and over again? principles over and over again? >> I think he's both. Um I think he's I >> I think he's both. Um I think he's I >> I think he's both. Um I think he's I think there's sufficient evidence that think there's sufficient evidence that think there's sufficient evidence that he is certainly above average if not he is certainly above average if not he is certainly above average if not like way up there in in IQ. Um you know like way up there in in IQ. Um you know like way up there in in IQ. Um you know he was precocious. He was like the head he was precocious. He was like the head he was precocious. He was like the head of his class as a kid and um coding of his class as a kid and um coding of his class as a kid and um coding video games when he was 12 and like you video games when he was 12 and like you video games when he was 12 and like you know had a patent his name on a patent know had a patent his name on a patent know had a patent his name on a patent when he was like 20. So like I think when he was like 20. So like I think when he was like 20. So like I think people who go around being like Elon's people who go around being like Elon's people who go around being like Elon's an idiot everybody else does all the an idiot everybody else does all the an idiot everybody else does all the work is like that is just not an work is like that is just not an work is like that is just not an informed opinion at all. But I don't informed opinion at all. But I don't informed opinion at all. But I don't think he's a thousand times smarter than think he's a thousand times smarter than think he's a thousand times smarter than any other human who's ever lived. And so any other human who's ever lived. And so any other human who's ever lived. And so the difference between like, all right, the difference between like, all right, the difference between like, all right, he's smart. He's probably, you know, he's smart. He's probably, you know, he's smart. He's probably, you know, certainly smarter than me, but like he's certainly smarter than me, but like he's certainly smarter than me, but like he's not not not that does not explain the difference in that does not explain the difference in that does not explain the difference in order of magnitudes of the outcome. order of magnitudes of the outcome. order of magnitudes of the outcome. >> It seems like level of smart, >> It seems like level of smart, >> It seems like level of smart, tolerance for risk, tolerance for risk, tolerance for risk, bias for action, bias for action, bias for action, and work rate. At least from what we've and work rate. At least from what we've and work rate. At least from what we've been talking about, those seem to be been talking about, those seem to be been talking about, those seem to be four of the big drivers and four of the big drivers and four of the big drivers and grand quests. I think I think that's a grand quests. I think I think that's a grand quests. I think I think that's a that is a key piece of actually like that is a key piece of actually like that is a key piece of actually like what makes him special. I think if he if what makes him special. I think if he if what makes him special. I think if he if he applied like you know massive work he applied like you know massive work he applied like you know massive work ethic and first principles and ingenuity ethic and first principles and ingenuity ethic and first principles and ingenuity to like reinventing insurance, it just to like reinventing insurance, it just to like reinventing insurance, it just like wouldn't wouldn't have the same like wouldn't wouldn't have the same like wouldn't wouldn't have the same zest and zeal and it wouldn't have the zest and zeal and it wouldn't have the zest and zeal and it wouldn't have the same like level of outlier results. same like level of outlier results. same like level of outlier results. >> What is the purpose piece? How does that >> What is the purpose piece? How does that >> What is the purpose piece? How does that sort of factor in? sort of factor in? sort of factor in? >> I think it's an interesting I think he >> I think it's an interesting I think he >> I think it's an interesting I think he cares very deeply about humanity as a cares very deeply about humanity as a cares very deeply about humanity as a whole. Um, I think it's it's an whole. Um, I think it's it's an whole. Um, I think it's it's an interesting paradox where he's like interesting paradox where he's like interesting paradox where he's like people who criticize him for like being people who criticize him for like being people who criticize him for like being cruel or whatever to people he works cruel or whatever to people he works cruel or whatever to people he works with and like coming down hard on them with and like coming down hard on them with and like coming down hard on them or having really high expectations or um or having really high expectations or um or having really high expectations or um being mean or firing people being mean or firing people being mean or firing people capricciously or whatever. capricciously or whatever. capricciously or whatever. But as he explains, it's like I am, yes, But as he explains, it's like I am, yes, But as he explains, it's like I am, yes, I push people really hard. I sometimes I push people really hard. I sometimes I push people really hard. I sometimes step on toes, but I do that in service step on toes, but I do that in service step on toes, but I do that in service of this mission that serves all of us, of this mission that serves all of us, of this mission that serves all of us, which is making life multilanetary or which is making life multilanetary or which is making life multilanetary or electrifying transport, um, advancing electrifying transport, um, advancing electrifying transport, um, advancing clean energy. clean energy. clean energy. If it's neurolink, it's like helping If it's neurolink, it's like helping If it's neurolink, it's like helping paraplegics or quadriplegics like paraplegics or quadriplegics like paraplegics or quadriplegics like control computers or eventually walk control computers or eventually walk control computers or eventually walk again. That also has some AI alignment again. That also has some AI alignment again. That also has some AI alignment components to it. Um, components to it. Um, components to it. Um, there's a chapter in the book of like my there's a chapter in the book of like my there's a chapter in the book of like my company's are philanthropy. every company's are philanthropy. every company's are philanthropy. every everything that he starts, all the everything that he starts, all the everything that he starts, all the technologies that he tries to advance technologies that he tries to advance technologies that he tries to advance come from this inherent love of humanity come from this inherent love of humanity come from this inherent love of humanity and the desire to solve problems that and the desire to solve problems that and the desire to solve problems that make collectively our lives better or make collectively our lives better or make collectively our lives better or preserve consciousness itself. So your preserve consciousness itself. So your preserve consciousness itself. So your first book is on my list of 100 books to first book is on my list of 100 books to first book is on my list of 100 books to read and there's a top five at the top read and there's a top five at the top read and there's a top five at the top which are the ones that everybody should which are the ones that everybody should which are the ones that everybody should start with and it's in that. One of the start with and it's in that. One of the start with and it's in that. One of the other ones that's in there is The other ones that's in there is The other ones that's in there is The Precipice by Toby or And that's all Precipice by Toby or And that's all Precipice by Toby or And that's all about existential risk. How humanity about existential risk. How humanity about existential risk. How humanity could go extinct from super volcanoes to could go extinct from super volcanoes to could go extinct from super volcanoes to supernova explosions to nanotechnology supernova explosions to nanotechnology supernova explosions to nanotechnology and engineered pandemics and natural and engineered pandemics and natural and engineered pandemics and natural pandemics and AI and all the rest of it. pandemics and AI and all the rest of it. pandemics and AI and all the rest of it. But you did a section on X-risk as well. But you did a section on X-risk as well. But you did a section on X-risk as well. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Why is that important? >> Why is that important? >> Why is that important? >> I I early stages of this book I didn't >> I I early stages of this book I didn't >> I I early stages of this book I didn't have it in there. Um, and it wasn't have it in there. Um, and it wasn't have it in there. Um, and it wasn't until the purpose piece kind of until the purpose piece kind of until the purpose piece kind of clarified itself that I was like, "Oh, clarified itself that I was like, "Oh, clarified itself that I was like, "Oh, this is actually like the frame through this is actually like the frame through this is actually like the frame through which he is is so motivated." Um, as as which he is is so motivated." Um, as as which he is is so motivated." Um, as as what I'm sure that that book goes into what I'm sure that that book goes into what I'm sure that that book goes into great detail about it, but like there's great detail about it, but like there's great detail about it, but like there's been many extinction events in human been many extinction events in human been many extinction events in human history or not in human history but in history or not in human history but in history or not in human history but in Earth's history like many species most Earth's history like many species most Earth's history like many species most species were wiped out multiple times. species were wiped out multiple times. species were wiped out multiple times. Entire continents destroyed like Entire continents destroyed like Entire continents destroyed like asteroids have hit Earth in the past. We asteroids have hit Earth in the past. We asteroids have hit Earth in the past. We don't know if things have like evolved don't know if things have like evolved don't know if things have like evolved and then been killed. But his big and then been killed. But his big and then been killed. But his big motivation is like make life motivation is like make life motivation is like make life multilanetary, preserve the only form of multilanetary, preserve the only form of multilanetary, preserve the only form of consciousness that we're aware of that consciousness that we're aware of that consciousness that we're aware of that exists in the world in the universe, exists in the world in the universe, exists in the world in the universe, which is ourselves. which is ourselves. which is ourselves. >> And >> And >> And we're going to feel pretty stupid if we we're going to feel pretty stupid if we we're going to feel pretty stupid if we destroy ourselves destroy ourselves destroy ourselves before we before we back ourselves up, before we before we back ourselves up, before we before we back ourselves up, like back up the hard drive. And his like back up the hard drive. And his like back up the hard drive. And his point is like, you know, we've been point is like, you know, we've been point is like, you know, we've been around Earth has been around a really around Earth has been around a really around Earth has been around a really long time. Humanity has not been around long time. Humanity has not been around long time. Humanity has not been around so long. Civilization is very young. so long. Civilization is very young. so long. Civilization is very young. like we're only 10,000 years into what like we're only 10,000 years into what like we're only 10,000 years into what could be a million-year civilization. could be a million-year civilization. could be a million-year civilization. But we've got to take this first step um But we've got to take this first step um But we've got to take this first step um off the planet and into the solar off the planet and into the solar off the planet and into the solar system. And system. And system. And if we [ __ ] this up before we get off if we [ __ ] this up before we get off if we [ __ ] this up before we get off the planet, like the planet, like the planet, like big L. big L. big L. >> Yeah. Well, I think I what what's >> Yeah. Well, I think I what what's >> Yeah. Well, I think I what what's fascinating to me is I wonder about uh fascinating to me is I wonder about uh fascinating to me is I wonder about uh people who are very singular in the people who are very singular in the people who are very singular in the modern world and what that person would modern world and what that person would modern world and what that person would have done in ancient times. I think this have done in ancient times. I think this have done in ancient times. I think this so funny so funny so funny assuming that you weren't born a slave assuming that you weren't born a slave assuming that you weren't born a slave and you couldn't have raised out of and you couldn't have raised out of and you couldn't have raised out of anything. If there's some sort of anything. If there's some sort of anything. If there's some sort of egalitarian meritocracy and you can just egalitarian meritocracy and you can just egalitarian meritocracy and you can just like toss them into the Roman Empire or like toss them into the Roman Empire or like toss them into the Roman Empire or toss them into the middle of the War of toss them into the middle of the War of toss them into the middle of the War of the Roses or something and just watch the Roses or something and just watch the Roses or something and just watch what happens. what happens. what happens. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know, man. It it certainly seems I don't know, man. It it certainly seems I don't know, man. It it certainly seems like it's the time to have somebody like it's the time to have somebody like it's the time to have somebody that's like that. Um, regardless of what that's like that. Um, regardless of what that's like that. Um, regardless of what is going on personally, what you think is going on personally, what you think is going on personally, what you think about ethics and all the rest of it. Um, about ethics and all the rest of it. Um, about ethics and all the rest of it. Um, I remember he gave this interview, it I remember he gave this interview, it I remember he gave this interview, it was probably about 3 or four years ago, was probably about 3 or four years ago, was probably about 3 or four years ago, and he said something to the effect of and he said something to the effect of and he said something to the effect of what I care about is doing good, not the what I care about is doing good, not the what I care about is doing good, not the appearance of it. appearance of it. appearance of it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And there are a lot of people around who >> And there are a lot of people around who >> And there are a lot of people around who are doing bad while trying to appear are doing bad while trying to appear are doing bad while trying to appear good. I have no interest in that. And um good. I have no interest in that. And um good. I have no interest in that. And um it's kind of the move fast, break it's kind of the move fast, break it's kind of the move fast, break things, I don't give a [ __ ] what you things, I don't give a [ __ ] what you things, I don't give a [ __ ] what you think of me type approach. Even if think of me type approach. Even if think of me type approach. Even if that's untrue in some part, like an that's untrue in some part, like an that's untrue in some part, like an ability to be disliked, a preparedness ability to be disliked, a preparedness ability to be disliked, a preparedness to not care so much about optics in the to not care so much about optics in the to not care so much about optics in the way that other people do. Um way that other people do. Um way that other people do. Um it's a [ __ ] big unlock. Peter Teal it's a [ __ ] big unlock. Peter Teal it's a [ __ ] big unlock. Peter Teal has a very interesting observation of has a very interesting observation of has a very interesting observation of like how high a percent of the like how high a percent of the like how high a percent of the successful founders especially in tech successful founders especially in tech successful founders especially in tech seem to be somewhere on the spectrum. seem to be somewhere on the spectrum. seem to be somewhere on the spectrum. And he's like what does it say about our And he's like what does it say about our And he's like what does it say about our society that the people who are like society that the people who are like society that the people who are like have a biological advantage in have a biological advantage in have a biological advantage in deemphasizing the opinions of others are deemphasizing the opinions of others are deemphasizing the opinions of others are the ones who more reliably seem to the ones who more reliably seem to the ones who more reliably seem to achieve an outlier success. achieve an outlier success. achieve an outlier success. >> Have you heard Jonathan Bee's approach? >> Have you heard Jonathan Bee's approach? >> Have you heard Jonathan Bee's approach? She says there's only three types of She says there's only three types of She says there's only three types of founders that are going to be founders that are going to be founders that are going to be successful. Number one is megalomaniac. successful. Number one is megalomaniac. successful. Number one is megalomaniac. >> Uh number two is autist and number three >> Uh number two is autist and number three >> Uh number two is autist and number three is revenge fantasy and megalomaniac Adam is revenge fantasy and megalomaniac Adam is revenge fantasy and megalomaniac Adam Newman from Weiwork. Uh autist Elon Musk Newman from Weiwork. Uh autist Elon Musk Newman from Weiwork. Uh autist Elon Musk and revenge fantasy Palmer. and revenge fantasy Palmer. and revenge fantasy Palmer. >> Um although I think Palmer actually kind >> Um although I think Palmer actually kind >> Um although I think Palmer actually kind of has a bit of all three and I think of has a bit of all three and I think of has a bit of all three and I think Elon probably has a bit of all three as Elon probably has a bit of all three as Elon probably has a bit of all three as well like you know trying to alchemize well like you know trying to alchemize well like you know trying to alchemize some slights that occurred earlier on. some slights that occurred earlier on. some slights that occurred earlier on. But uh look, I think in order to do But uh look, I think in order to do But uh look, I think in order to do different things, in order to make different things, in order to make different things, in order to make changes and to push the limits in ways changes and to push the limits in ways changes and to push the limits in ways that people haven't seen before, that people haven't seen before, that people haven't seen before, obviously obviously you're going to need obviously obviously you're going to need obviously obviously you're going to need but by design you're going to have to but by design you're going to have to but by design you're going to have to get comfortable with people doubting you get comfortable with people doubting you get comfortable with people doubting you and making judgments about it. The the and making judgments about it. The the and making judgments about it. The the disregard for the way things are done disregard for the way things are done disregard for the way things are done Yes. Yes. Yes. >> is completely crucial. >> is completely crucial. >> is completely crucial. >> Yeah. And I think so many of us forget >> Yeah. And I think so many of us forget >> Yeah. And I think so many of us forget that we, you know, it's almost like that we, you know, it's almost like that we, you know, it's almost like we're in the matrix unless we make the we're in the matrix unless we make the we're in the matrix unless we make the willful effort to break out of it. And willful effort to break out of it. And willful effort to break out of it. And we have this bias to defend the status we have this bias to defend the status we have this bias to defend the status quo, no matter what it is, without even quo, no matter what it is, without even quo, no matter what it is, without even really ever thinking critically about really ever thinking critically about really ever thinking critically about it. it. it. >> Um, and so most of us when we hear >> Um, and so most of us when we hear >> Um, and so most of us when we hear something like somebody's disrupting and something like somebody's disrupting and something like somebody's disrupting and radically innovating something new, radically innovating something new, radically innovating something new, we're just kind of like, ah, do we we're just kind of like, ah, do we we're just kind of like, ah, do we really need that? Isn't it fine the way really need that? Isn't it fine the way really need that? Isn't it fine the way it is? Especially as we get older or as it is? Especially as we get older or as it is? Especially as we get older or as we get comfortable with that thing. You we get comfortable with that thing. You we get comfortable with that thing. You know, there's that great like Douglas know, there's that great like Douglas know, there's that great like Douglas Adams line of like everything invented Adams line of like everything invented Adams line of like everything invented before you're 30 is like a new miracle before you're 30 is like a new miracle before you're 30 is like a new miracle and to be appreciated and everything and to be appreciated and everything and to be appreciated and everything invented after you're 30 is like a crime invented after you're 30 is like a crime invented after you're 30 is like a crime against humanity and a sin and should be against humanity and a sin and should be against humanity and a sin and should be not created. not created. not created. >> I swear there's a line about driving. >> I swear there's a line about driving. >> I swear there's a line about driving. Everybody driving slower than you is an Everybody driving slower than you is an Everybody driving slower than you is an idiot and everyone driving faster than idiot and everyone driving faster than idiot and everyone driving faster than you is a maniac. you is a maniac. you is a maniac. >> Yeah. Uh every there's one about women >> Yeah. Uh every there's one about women >> Yeah. Uh every there's one about women as well. Every girl who's got smaller as well. Every girl who's got smaller as well. Every girl who's got smaller titties than me is flatchested and every titties than me is flatchested and every titties than me is flatchested and every girl who's got bigger titties than me is girl who's got bigger titties than me is girl who's got bigger titties than me is a fatty. That was in your episode about uh female That was in your episode about uh female >> interexual competition. Yeah. Yeah. >> interexual competition. Yeah. Yeah. >> interexual competition. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Small titties, big titties. Yeah. Small titties, big titties. Yeah. Small titties, big titties. >> That was It all comes down to titties. >> That was It all comes down to titties. >> That was It all comes down to titties. So look, dude, this coming to the book So look, dude, this coming to the book So look, dude, this coming to the book process, which I think is fascinating. process, which I think is fascinating. process, which I think is fascinating. Obviously, you write the Nalmanac and Obviously, you write the Nalmanac and Obviously, you write the Nalmanac and then that kind of springboards you into then that kind of springboards you into then that kind of springboards you into this pretty much the forefront of the this pretty much the forefront of the this pretty much the forefront of the self-published self-published self-published like pioneer space. What What is this like pioneer space. What What is this like pioneer space. What What is this book? like what are these books? Is it a book? like what are these books? Is it a book? like what are these books? Is it a new kind of biography? new kind of biography? new kind of biography? Is it a compendium? It's it's a very Is it a compendium? It's it's a very Is it a compendium? It's it's a very strange type of book to read even though strange type of book to read even though strange type of book to read even though it's obviously been super popular. So, it's obviously been super popular. So, it's obviously been super popular. So, is it a new genre? is it a new genre? is it a new genre? >> I I I truly don't know what to call it. >> I I I truly don't know what to call it. >> I I I truly don't know what to call it. Like, it's kind of weird. I even feel Like, it's kind of weird. I even feel Like, it's kind of weird. I even feel weird saying like I write this book weird saying like I write this book weird saying like I write this book because I feel like I build it. Like, it because I feel like I build it. Like, it because I feel like I build it. Like, it feels like doing a jigsaw puzzle to me. feels like doing a jigsaw puzzle to me. feels like doing a jigsaw puzzle to me. >> And it's much more about removal. >> And it's much more about removal. >> And it's much more about removal. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Right. Once you've got everything, this >> Right. Once you've got everything, this >> Right. Once you've got everything, this is everything that this person has ever is everything that this person has ever is everything that this person has ever said. said. said. >> Yeah. Now, how much of this block of >> Yeah. Now, how much of this block of >> Yeah. Now, how much of this block of marble do I need to remove before marble do I need to remove before marble do I need to remove before David's left? David's left? David's left? >> Yeah. And just organizing and finding >> Yeah. And just organizing and finding >> Yeah. And just organizing and finding the thread so that it feels like each the thread so that it feels like each the thread so that it feels like each question is sort of a natural byproduct question is sort of a natural byproduct question is sort of a natural byproduct of the the previous idea and it's just of the the previous idea and it's just of the the previous idea and it's just like a clean like a clean like a clean >> re and then weaving the weaving as well, >> re and then weaving the weaving as well, >> re and then weaving the weaving as well, I suppose. I suppose. I suppose. >> Yeah. It's maybe more akin to clay than >> Yeah. It's maybe more akin to clay than >> Yeah. It's maybe more akin to clay than it is to marble. it is to marble. it is to marble. >> Yeah. There's just um it is a weird >> Yeah. There's just um it is a weird >> Yeah. There's just um it is a weird thing and like it came out of loving I thing and like it came out of loving I thing and like it came out of loving I mean I'm I'm a big fan of Charlie Mer mean I'm I'm a big fan of Charlie Mer mean I'm I'm a big fan of Charlie Mer and Warren Buffett and like they never and Warren Buffett and like they never and Warren Buffett and like they never wrote books but a lot of people built wrote books but a lot of people built wrote books but a lot of people built books out of their talks, their books out of their talks, their books out of their talks, their lectures, their letters and I never knew lectures, their letters and I never knew lectures, their letters and I never knew what to call those either but I just what to call those either but I just what to call those either but I just found myself asking like who do I wish found myself asking like who do I wish found myself asking like who do I wish had written books and then realizing had written books and then realizing had written books and then realizing that the raw material is out there and that the raw material is out there and that the raw material is out there and I've been lucky to get you know I've been lucky to get you know I've been lucky to get you know permission from Naval and Bology and permission from Naval and Bology and permission from Naval and Bology and Elon to like Elon to like Elon to like >> build these things. Um, and I don't know >> build these things. Um, and I don't know >> build these things. Um, and I don't know what to call them and I don't know how what to call them and I don't know how what to call them and I don't know how to talk about it, but I like to talk about it, but I like to talk about it, but I like >> Well, it's [ __ ] awesome is what you >> Well, it's [ __ ] awesome is what you >> Well, it's [ __ ] awesome is what you can call it, dude. I think it's really can call it, dude. I think it's really can call it, dude. I think it's really really good. Um, really good. Um, really good. Um, >> what what have you learned about the >> what what have you learned about the >> what what have you learned about the scale of the internet since obviously scale of the internet since obviously scale of the internet since obviously the Nal Manac was a a huge rip roaring the Nal Manac was a a huge rip roaring the Nal Manac was a a huge rip roaring success and really sort of catapulted success and really sort of catapulted success and really sort of catapulted you. You weren't already that small you. You weren't already that small you. You weren't already that small before, but that really sort of put you before, but that really sort of put you before, but that really sort of put you at the forefront. What's it taught you at the forefront. What's it taught you at the forefront. What's it taught you about leverage online and that about leverage online and that about leverage online and that experience? experience? experience? >> Yeah, it's easy. I feel like um >> Yeah, it's easy. I feel like um >> Yeah, it's easy. I feel like um anybody's into podcasting, YouTube, anybody's into podcasting, YouTube, anybody's into podcasting, YouTube, social media knows intellectually that social media knows intellectually that social media knows intellectually that like the internet is vast and the niches like the internet is vast and the niches like the internet is vast and the niches are bigger than you think. Um but it are bigger than you think. Um but it are bigger than you think. Um but it sometimes takes a like palpable human sometimes takes a like palpable human sometimes takes a like palpable human experience to be like, "Oh [ __ ] no experience to be like, "Oh [ __ ] no experience to be like, "Oh [ __ ] no really like they are much bigger than really like they are much bigger than really like they are much bigger than you think." you think." you think." >> And I was really um I was just surprised >> And I was really um I was just surprised >> And I was really um I was just surprised and delighted to like see that book take and delighted to like see that book take and delighted to like see that book take on a life of its own and see how many on a life of its own and see how many on a life of its own and see how many people recommended it and see how many people recommended it and see how many people recommended it and see how many people resonated. Like I I thought I was people resonated. Like I I thought I was people resonated. Like I I thought I was writing a book is like building a writing a book is like building a writing a book is like building a lighthouse where you're like it has this lighthouse where you're like it has this lighthouse where you're like it has this ability to kind of like attract your ability to kind of like attract your ability to kind of like attract your people. And a podcast I'm sure is the people. And a podcast I'm sure is the people. And a podcast I'm sure is the same. You're like you you kind of put same. You're like you you kind of put same. You're like you you kind of put your values out there and people who your values out there and people who your values out there and people who resonate with it are like man I really resonate with it are like man I really resonate with it are like man I really like that. I was like then we probably like that. I was like then we probably like that. I was like then we probably get along great. Like that's super cool get along great. Like that's super cool get along great. Like that's super cool and fun. Um and it's a great it's a and fun. Um and it's a great it's a and fun. Um and it's a great it's a great life on the other side of that great life on the other side of that great life on the other side of that creating something like that. Um and the creating something like that. Um and the creating something like that. Um and the relationships that come out of it, relationships that come out of it, relationships that come out of it, right? right? right? >> The thing the scale still blows me away. >> The thing the scale still blows me away. >> The thing the scale still blows me away. Like I I can't believe that we're you Like I I can't believe that we're you Like I I can't believe that we're you know this sells so well in China and know this sells so well in China and know this sells so well in China and India and all around the world and India and all around the world and India and all around the world and across so many demographics. India India across so many demographics. India India across so many demographics. India India makes a little more sense. That's fair. makes a little more sense. That's fair. makes a little more sense. That's fair. Um but yeah, I just I didn't it was not Um but yeah, I just I didn't it was not Um but yeah, I just I didn't it was not on my like vision board that like on my like vision board that like on my like vision board that like >> yoga instructors in Bali were going to >> yoga instructors in Bali were going to >> yoga instructors in Bali were going to be like reading the almanac of Naval and be like reading the almanac of Naval and be like reading the almanac of Naval and that like that like that like >> you know it was going to be so popular >> you know it was going to be so popular >> you know it was going to be so popular among like high school and college among like high school and college among like high school and college students. students. students. >> Well, we've been talking about that. Me >> Well, we've been talking about that. Me >> Well, we've been talking about that. Me and George have been talking about this and George have been talking about this and George have been talking about this a lot and obviously we spoke about it a lot and obviously we spoke about it a lot and obviously we spoke about it last night that the TAM for the Book of last night that the TAM for the Book of last night that the TAM for the Book of Elon is way bigger than it is for Naval, Elon is way bigger than it is for Naval, Elon is way bigger than it is for Naval, but the potential hurdle of ideological but the potential hurdle of ideological but the potential hurdle of ideological disagreement is also greater. So again, disagreement is also greater. So again, disagreement is also greater. So again, it's the boobies on the on the like it's the boobies on the on the like it's the boobies on the on the like popularity graph, right? Lots of people popularity graph, right? Lots of people popularity graph, right? Lots of people that go, "Ah, I've got to." And then that go, "Ah, I've got to." And then that go, "Ah, I've got to." And then lots of people who go never as opposed I lots of people who go never as opposed I lots of people who go never as opposed I don't know how many people have a don't know how many people have a don't know how many people have a fervent dislike of Naval. Most people fervent dislike of Naval. Most people fervent dislike of Naval. Most people probably didn't know. You should really probably didn't know. You should really probably didn't know. You should really read this. No one's going to go Yeah. read this. No one's going to go Yeah. read this. No one's going to go Yeah. Exactly. No one's going to go you should Exactly. No one's going to go you should Exactly. No one's going to go you should really read this and someone say who is really read this and someone say who is really read this and someone say who is the book about? the book about? the book about? >> Yeah. Yeah. So I I'm prepared. I sp did >> Yeah. Yeah. So I I'm prepared. I sp did >> Yeah. Yeah. So I I'm prepared. I sp did spend a lot of time be like answering spend a lot of time be like answering spend a lot of time be like answering the question who is Naval? Um but I the question who is Naval? Um but I the question who is Naval? Um but I think once it's there it was just such a think once it's there it was just such a think once it's there it was just such a weird book. Like it's a weird title. weird book. Like it's a weird title. weird book. Like it's a weird title. It's a weird book that was like crafted It's a weird book that was like crafted It's a weird book that was like crafted for a niche and just like broke out. But for a niche and just like broke out. But for a niche and just like broke out. But Elon is one of the most famous people on Elon is one of the most famous people on Elon is one of the most famous people on earth, right? like um and I think he's earth, right? like um and I think he's earth, right? like um and I think he's he's not a polished presenter the way he's not a polished presenter the way he's not a polished presenter the way Steve Jobs is. I don't think people Steve Jobs is. I don't think people Steve Jobs is. I don't think people necessarily think of him as a like font necessarily think of him as a like font necessarily think of him as a like font of wisdom or like deep introspection, of wisdom or like deep introspection, of wisdom or like deep introspection, but he has [ __ ] incredible ideas like but he has [ __ ] incredible ideas like but he has [ __ ] incredible ideas like when you can really access them like and when you can really access them like and when you can really access them like and he's his life story is just so so many he's his life story is just so so many he's his life story is just so so many ups and downs, so many hard lessons. And ups and downs, so many hard lessons. And ups and downs, so many hard lessons. And he is a really good communicator he is a really good communicator he is a really good communicator actually like he's he's got a gift for actually like he's he's got a gift for actually like he's he's got a gift for distilling things and bringing people distilling things and bringing people distilling things and bringing people along and finding a key metric and like along and finding a key metric and like along and finding a key metric and like honing a team organizing people around a honing a team organizing people around a honing a team organizing people around a mission and you know some of these ideas mission and you know some of these ideas mission and you know some of these ideas in this book you know about being in this book you know about being in this book you know about being multiplaners he's been talking for 20 multiplaners he's been talking for 20 multiplaners he's been talking for 20 years years years >> but we still there's still so much to >> but we still there's still so much to >> but we still there's still so much to learn from them um these are just learn from them um these are just learn from them um these are just they're battle tested ideas I think in a they're battle tested ideas I think in a they're battle tested ideas I think in a lot of cases. 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What have you applied to your life after learning applied to your life after learning applied to your life after learning about Elon? about Elon? about Elon? >> I think it is uh the most meta is this >> I think it is uh the most meta is this >> I think it is uh the most meta is this sense that I'm capable of more than I sense that I'm capable of more than I sense that I'm capable of more than I think. Um it has encouraged me to do think. Um it has encouraged me to do think. Um it has encouraged me to do more things in parallel. Back to that more things in parallel. Back to that more things in parallel. Back to that like parallel adjustation thing. Like like parallel adjustation thing. Like like parallel adjustation thing. Like I'm trying to run Scribe Media, which is I'm trying to run Scribe Media, which is I'm trying to run Scribe Media, which is a publishing company, and write a book, a publishing company, and write a book, a publishing company, and write a book, actually work on three at the same time, actually work on three at the same time, actually work on three at the same time, and podcast and invest. So like there's and podcast and invest. So like there's and podcast and invest. So like there's it gave me some fuel in the fire to be it gave me some fuel in the fire to be it gave me some fuel in the fire to be like, "No, this is this is doable and like, "No, this is this is doable and like, "No, this is this is doable and sane." And if these things are all sort sane." And if these things are all sort sane." And if these things are all sort of like stacking and compounding, it is of like stacking and compounding, it is of like stacking and compounding, it is sane to do them all in parallel over a sane to do them all in parallel over a sane to do them all in parallel over a long period of time. long period of time. long period of time. um the bias to urgency. I'm not working um the bias to urgency. I'm not working um the bias to urgency. I'm not working 100 hour weeks and running around the 100 hour weeks and running around the 100 hour weeks and running around the world on my private jet, but I do have a world on my private jet, but I do have a world on my private jet, but I do have a much stronger discipline around like much stronger discipline around like much stronger discipline around like where is the bottleneck? What's the most where is the bottleneck? What's the most where is the bottleneck? What's the most important problem to solve? important problem to solve? important problem to solve? >> How what is the most effective way to >> How what is the most effective way to >> How what is the most effective way to solve it? How can I physically go to the solve it? How can I physically go to the solve it? How can I physically go to the problem? How can I pull in the right problem? How can I pull in the right problem? How can I pull in the right people? Um I think like the idea of a people? Um I think like the idea of a people? Um I think like the idea of a war room is kind of underrated of like war room is kind of underrated of like war room is kind of underrated of like what's the bottleneck? Gather the what's the bottleneck? Gather the what's the bottleneck? Gather the people, like attack it, the rest will people, like attack it, the rest will people, like attack it, the rest will kind of take care of itself. um is not kind of take care of itself. um is not kind of take care of itself. um is not how a lot of companies are run frankly. how a lot of companies are run frankly. how a lot of companies are run frankly. Like a lot of them are like a weekly Like a lot of them are like a weekly Like a lot of them are like a weekly meeting, do this, do that, like standard meeting, do this, do that, like standard meeting, do this, do that, like standard schedule schedule schedule >> procedural as opposed to tactical. Yeah. >> procedural as opposed to tactical. Yeah. >> procedural as opposed to tactical. Yeah. >> What is the issue? Let's go after that. >> What is the issue? Let's go after that. >> What is the issue? Let's go after that. Is let's go through. You know, when I I Is let's go through. You know, when I I Is let's go through. You know, when I I think about this, it makes me think think about this, it makes me think think about this, it makes me think about the difference between watching a about the difference between watching a about the difference between watching a UFC and boxing. When you watch boxing, UFC and boxing. When you watch boxing, UFC and boxing. When you watch boxing, there's it's this weird it's almost there's it's this weird it's almost there's it's this weird it's almost ceremonial. This sort of monarch like ceremonial. This sort of monarch like ceremonial. This sort of monarch like weird vestage of people do their caps. weird vestage of people do their caps. weird vestage of people do their caps. we must remember that today is a grand we must remember that today is a grand we must remember that today is a grand entry for the 45th anniversary and entry for the 45th anniversary and entry for the 45th anniversary and you're like what the [ __ ] whereas it's you're like what the [ __ ] whereas it's you're like what the [ __ ] whereas it's just at the UFC it's rock music and the just at the UFC it's rock music and the just at the UFC it's rock music and the guys in the middle of the octagon they guys in the middle of the octagon they guys in the middle of the octagon they start hitting each other um and it kind start hitting each other um and it kind start hitting each other um and it kind of feels a little bit like that that of feels a little bit like that that of feels a little bit like that that when you have when you have when you have >> why do we why do we have an agenda why >> why do we why do we have an agenda why >> why do we why do we have an agenda why do we always have the same agenda for do we always have the same agenda for do we always have the same agenda for each of these meetings why can't it just each of these meetings why can't it just each of these meetings why can't it just be what is the problem given that the be what is the problem given that the be what is the problem given that the rate limit is constrained by the slowest rate limit is constrained by the slowest rate limit is constrained by the slowest moving part or person or department or moving part or person or department or moving part or person or department or whatever it might be. And if you whatever it might be. And if you whatever it might be. And if you continue to open those up, the total continue to open those up, the total continue to open those up, the total like capacity of the pipeline increases. like capacity of the pipeline increases. like capacity of the pipeline increases. >> Yeah. I think most leaders are by >> Yeah. I think most leaders are by >> Yeah. I think most leaders are by default delegating the pace of the default delegating the pace of the default delegating the pace of the entire organization to someone or entire organization to someone or entire organization to someone or something, but they don't exactly know something, but they don't exactly know something, but they don't exactly know who. who. who. >> Well, also by doing that, by delegating >> Well, also by doing that, by delegating >> Well, also by doing that, by delegating by it not being them, even if they're by it not being them, even if they're by it not being them, even if they're not purposefully delegating it or not purposefully delegating it or not purposefully delegating it or whatever, they're off the hook. whatever, they're off the hook. whatever, they're off the hook. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't need to be moving that fast. I >> I don't need to be moving that fast. I >> I don't need to be moving that fast. I don't, you know, and it's a really good don't, you know, and it's a really good don't, you know, and it's a really good point to say if you've worked super hard point to say if you've worked super hard point to say if you've worked super hard for a good while. Like that's the point for a good while. Like that's the point for a good while. Like that's the point at which you get to kick back and at which you get to kick back and at which you get to kick back and Matthew McConnA with your feet up on the Matthew McConnA with your feet up on the Matthew McConnA with your feet up on the table. Like that's the point. The point table. Like that's the point. The point table. Like that's the point. The point of working that hard was to get to of working that hard was to get to of working that hard was to get to escape velocity, which is perfectly fine escape velocity, which is perfectly fine escape velocity, which is perfectly fine depending on like what you're optimizing depending on like what you're optimizing depending on like what you're optimizing for. Again, like I'm this is not a for. Again, like I'm this is not a for. Again, like I'm this is not a blueprint that like everybody should blueprint that like everybody should blueprint that like everybody should follow. It is a like explanation of how follow. It is a like explanation of how follow. It is a like explanation of how one person who is unique and special one person who is unique and special one person who is unique and special happens to operate and take whatever happens to operate and take whatever happens to operate and take whatever works for you and leave the rest. [ __ ] works for you and leave the rest. [ __ ] works for you and leave the rest. [ __ ] yeah. Eric Jorgensson, ladies and yeah. Eric Jorgensson, ladies and yeah. Eric Jorgensson, ladies and gentlemen, where should people go to gentlemen, where should people go to gentlemen, where should people go to check out everything you've got going check out everything you've got going check out everything you've got going on? on? on? >> Uh, ejorgansson.com is my personal site. >> Uh, ejorgansson.com is my personal site. >> Uh, ejorgansson.com is my personal site. Elon Muskbook.org has everything for Elon Muskbook.org has everything for Elon Muskbook.org has everything for this book. Um, you can read it for free this book. Um, you can read it for free this book. Um, you can read it for free or listen to it for free if you want to. or listen to it for free if you want to. or listen to it for free if you want to. If you want to buy it on Amazon, rock If you want to buy it on Amazon, rock If you want to buy it on Amazon, rock on. Um, check out the Naval book and the on. Um, check out the Naval book and the on. Um, check out the Naval book and the Naval episode. We did 800 episodes five Naval episode. We did 800 episodes five Naval episode. We did 800 episodes five years ago. years ago. years ago. >> Wow, that is a good one. I saw that you >> Wow, that is a good one. I saw that you >> Wow, that is a good one. I saw that you just released on Smart Friends the 4hour just released on Smart Friends the 4hour just released on Smart Friends the 4hour conversation on your YouTube. conversation on your YouTube. conversation on your YouTube. >> Yeah, we just updated Naval and I >> Yeah, we just updated Naval and I >> Yeah, we just updated Naval and I updated the audio book. So, I got to updated the audio book. So, I got to updated the audio book. So, I got to like spend a day deep conversation and like spend a day deep conversation and like spend a day deep conversation and kind of be like, "All right, which of kind of be like, "All right, which of kind of be like, "All right, which of these ideas hold? Which are refined? these ideas hold? Which are refined? these ideas hold? Which are refined? Which have you changed?" Um, it was a Which have you changed?" Um, it was a Which have you changed?" Um, it was a really cool like full circle kind of really cool like full circle kind of really cool like full circle kind of experience. experience. experience. >> Unreal. Uh, what are you doing next? Can >> Unreal. Uh, what are you doing next? Can >> Unreal. Uh, what are you doing next? Can you say you say you say >> I'm I the one I can say is I'm doing a >> I'm I the one I can say is I'm doing a >> I'm I the one I can say is I'm doing a book with David Sunra for distilling book with David Sunra for distilling book with David Sunra for distilling some of the maxims and the key stories some of the maxims and the key stories some of the maxims and the key stories from the like founders archive from the like founders archive from the like founders archive >> that will [ __ ] rip >> that will [ __ ] rip >> that will [ __ ] rip >> which I think will be is so fun to work >> which I think will be is so fun to work >> which I think will be is so fun to work on and I think will be amazing. Um the on and I think will be amazing. Um the on and I think will be amazing. Um the other one I don't have like a thumbs up other one I don't have like a thumbs up other one I don't have like a thumbs up yet so I don't want to say that one yet so I don't want to say that one yet so I don't want to say that one publicly. publicly. publicly. >> Uh well I'm looking forward to getting >> Uh well I'm looking forward to getting >> Uh well I'm looking forward to getting you in the center in here and we can you in the center in here and we can you in the center in here and we can have a chat. have a chat. have a chat. >> That would be amazing. [ __ ] >> That would be amazing. [ __ ] >> That would be amazing. [ __ ] >> yeah. Appreciate you man. >> yeah. Appreciate you man. >> yeah. Appreciate you man. >> Thank you.