Hormones, Peptides & Body Transformation with Phil Vella CEO of Vita Bella Health | Mind Pump 2882

Phil, welcome back to the show, man. Phil, welcome back to the show, man. >> Thanks for having me. >> Thanks for having me. >> Thanks for having me. >> Last time you were on, uh >> Last time you were on, uh >> Last time you were on, uh >> We were dating. >> We were dating. >> We were dating. >> We were Yeah, we were talking >> We were Yeah, we were talking >> We were Yeah, we were talking >> in a relationship yet. >> in a relationship yet. >> in a relationship yet. >> about just the peptide space, a little >> about just the peptide space, a little >> about just the peptide space, a little bit of how uh Villa Bella operates, um bit of how uh Villa Bella operates, um bit of how uh Villa Bella operates, um and we were so impressed, we are now and we were so impressed, we are now and we were so impressed, we are now partners. We work with you. partners. We work with you. partners. We work with you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And now we've been working with you long >> And now we've been working with you long >> And now we've been working with you long enough to we're we're hearing reviews in enough to we're we're hearing reviews in enough to we're we're hearing reviews in this people just comment uh positively this people just comment uh positively this people just comment uh positively on the service. on the service. on the service. >> Oh, that's true. >> Oh, that's true. >> Oh, that's true. >> Just the service and the quickness of >> Just the service and the quickness of >> Just the service and the quickness of the the the uh of delivery. I I had an experience uh of delivery. I I had an experience uh of delivery. I I had an experience with you guys. I worked, you know, got with you guys. I worked, you know, got with you guys. I worked, you know, got on the phone with the medical on the phone with the medical on the phone with the medical professional. They set my order up and professional. They set my order up and professional. They set my order up and it my stuff was at my house in 2 days. it my stuff was at my house in 2 days. it my stuff was at my house in 2 days. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> In California. >> In California. >> In California. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Which is great. So, you guys are doing a >> Which is great. So, you guys are doing a >> Which is great. So, you guys are doing a phenomenal job. phenomenal job. phenomenal job. >> Don't spread that rumor too fast. It's >> Don't spread that rumor too fast. It's >> Don't spread that rumor too fast. It's like [laughter] 3 or 4 days, but uh no, like [laughter] 3 or 4 days, but uh no, like [laughter] 3 or 4 days, but uh no, it's been great. Like the MP hormone it's been great. Like the MP hormone it's been great. Like the MP hormone forum and uh the feedback that we get um forum and uh the feedback that we get um forum and uh the feedback that we get um Mind Pump uh hormone forum, sorry. Mind Pump uh hormone forum, sorry. Mind Pump uh hormone forum, sorry. It the feedback that we've gotten from It the feedback that we've gotten from It the feedback that we've gotten from you guys and your patients has been you guys and your patients has been you guys and your patients has been absolutely incredible. Like what they've absolutely incredible. Like what they've absolutely incredible. Like what they've came back and told us and uh it it's came back and told us and uh it it's came back and told us and uh it it's also been great feedback even when it's also been great feedback even when it's also been great feedback even when it's not incredible, right? Every every not incredible, right? Every every not incredible, right? Every every little slip-up allows us to improve and little slip-up allows us to improve and little slip-up allows us to improve and I actually get excited when we get it I actually get excited when we get it I actually get excited when we get it wrong cuz it just gives us an wrong cuz it just gives us an wrong cuz it just gives us an opportunity to fix it and get better. If opportunity to fix it and get better. If opportunity to fix it and get better. If we don't know things are broken, we we don't know things are broken, we we don't know things are broken, we can't fix them. can't fix them. can't fix them. >> Well, great job. Um off air, we were >> Well, great job. Um off air, we were >> Well, great job. Um off air, we were talking about um these uh studies that talking about um these uh studies that talking about um these uh studies that are coming out on these kind of because are coming out on these kind of because are coming out on these kind of because the gray market for peptides is huge. the gray market for peptides is huge. the gray market for peptides is huge. These are they're labeled as research These are they're labeled as research These are they're labeled as research chemicals and a lot of people are going chemicals and a lot of people are going chemicals and a lot of people are going in that direction for in that direction for in that direction for their GLP or for other peptides. Um and their GLP or for other peptides. Um and their GLP or for other peptides. Um and this is a completely different category this is a completely different category this is a completely different category of of of I guess you would call it regulation or I guess you would call it regulation or I guess you would call it regulation or non-regulation. So, you can go online, non-regulation. So, you can go online, non-regulation. So, you can go online, buy it, you don't need a doctor, buy it, you don't need a doctor, buy it, you don't need a doctor, whatever. And you were whatever. And you were whatever. And you were communicating to us some data and I communicating to us some data and I communicating to us some data and I looked it up and I confirmed it. Let's looked it up and I confirmed it. Let's looked it up and I confirmed it. Let's talk about that a little bit. And what talk about that a little bit. And what talk about that a little bit. And what what they're finding in what these what they're finding in what these what they're finding in what these people are injecting into their bodies. people are injecting into their bodies. people are injecting into their bodies. >> Yeah, so when we came on in February or >> Yeah, so when we came on in February or >> Yeah, so when we came on in February or I think it was January, there was a I think it was January, there was a I think it was January, there was a great report in New York Post. 40% of great report in New York Post. 40% of great report in New York Post. 40% of the research peptides didn't pass um the the research peptides didn't pass um the the research peptides didn't pass um the test when they were sent in, right? To test when they were sent in, right? To test when they were sent in, right? To see if they're 40%. see if they're 40%. see if they're 40%. Last month, 70%. Last month, 70%. Last month, 70%. >> worse. >> worse. >> worse. >> It's gotten worse over time. Why is it >> It's gotten worse over time. Why is it >> It's gotten worse over time. Why is it gotten worse? Because your hairdresser gotten worse? Because your hairdresser gotten worse? Because your hairdresser >> Sheer volume of people doing it. >> Sheer volume of people doing it. >> Sheer volume of people doing it. >> It's it's every person selling research >> It's it's every person selling research >> It's it's every person selling research peptides. They don't know where they're peptides. They don't know where they're peptides. They don't know where they're coming from. They're labeling them coming from. They're labeling them coming from. They're labeling them themselves. Like themselves. Like themselves. Like you can't even figure out which bottle you can't even figure out which bottle you can't even figure out which bottle you've got, right? They're sitting at you've got, right? They're sitting at you've got, right? They're sitting at home, sitting in their garage, labeling peptides. And even the bigger companies peptides. And even the bigger companies the biggest research This is This is the biggest research This is This is the biggest research This is This is crazy statistic, but it'll make sense to crazy statistic, but it'll make sense to crazy statistic, but it'll make sense to those deep in business is the research those deep in business is the research those deep in business is the research peptide space. The people had to find peptide space. The people had to find peptide space. The people had to find new suppliers. Why? Because everyone new suppliers. Why? Because everyone new suppliers. Why? Because everyone else came online and was offering else came online and was offering else came online and was offering those companies, those manufacturers those companies, those manufacturers those companies, those manufacturers more money. So, if you were getting your more money. So, if you were getting your more money. So, if you were getting your peptides at X price, they got so much peptides at X price, they got so much peptides at X price, they got so much more volume, you became insignificant. more volume, you became insignificant. more volume, you became insignificant. The OGs, like a lot of the OG players The OGs, like a lot of the OG players The OGs, like a lot of the OG players that we've seen in this space, super OGs that we've seen in this space, super OGs that we've seen in this space, super OGs that have been around for 5, 10 years in that have been around for 5, 10 years in that have been around for 5, 10 years in the research before it was cool. Right? the research before it was cool. Right? the research before it was cool. Right? They had to find new suppliers because They had to find new suppliers because They had to find new suppliers because they couldn't deal with their current they couldn't deal with their current they couldn't deal with their current suppliers. They They lost their price suppliers. They They lost their price suppliers. They They lost their price parities. They lost the level of parities. They lost the level of parities. They lost the level of importance cuz so many new players came importance cuz so many new players came importance cuz so many new players came online. online. online. >> I know loyalty. How easy is it for >> I know loyalty. How easy is it for >> I know loyalty. How easy is it for someone to go along and online and find someone to go along and online and find someone to go along and online and find a quote-unquote supplier for research a quote-unquote supplier for research a quote-unquote supplier for research chems? chems? chems? >> easy. It's so easy that and I was >> easy. It's so easy that and I was >> easy. It's so easy that and I was talking to him off air that this has talking to him off air that this has talking to him off air that this has been happening to me where I'm at been happening to me where I'm at been happening to me where I'm at you know, family gatherings, barbecues you know, family gatherings, barbecues you know, family gatherings, barbecues with friends. And these are with friends. And these are with friends. And these are car dealers, real estate agents, car dealers, real estate agents, car dealers, real estate agents, hairdressers, hairdressers, hairdressers, not a fitness fanatic people. And the not a fitness fanatic people. And the not a fitness fanatic people. And the conversations that I'm having with these conversations that I'm having with these conversations that I'm having with these people, and it's them starting it, not people, and it's them starting it, not people, and it's them starting it, not me. I'm not talking I'm not running me. I'm not talking I'm not running me. I'm not talking I'm not running around talking about peptides. They're around talking about peptides. They're around talking about peptides. They're telling me about their peptide business telling me about their peptide business telling me about their peptide business that they have started. And it's that they have started. And it's that they have started. And it's literally buying from China at these literally buying from China at these literally buying from China at these like like like low prices. low prices. low prices. >> or something. >> or something. >> or something. >> Yeah, buy in bulk, non-labeled bottles >> Yeah, buy in bulk, non-labeled bottles >> Yeah, buy in bulk, non-labeled bottles get shipped over to them, them wrapping get shipped over to them, them wrapping get shipped over to them, them wrapping their their brand that they started, and their their brand that they started, and their their brand that they started, and then pedaling them to all their family, then pedaling them to all their family, then pedaling them to all their family, friends, and they're, you know, 10Xing friends, and they're, you know, 10Xing friends, and they're, you know, 10Xing the price. the price. the price. And they're making thousands of dollars And they're making thousands of dollars And they're making thousands of dollars on the side, hustling all this. And the on the side, hustling all this. And the on the side, hustling all this. And the big, you know, craze right now is the big, you know, craze right now is the big, you know, craze right now is the Retatide. Cuz I think some people have Retatide. Cuz I think some people have Retatide. Cuz I think some people have heard that, "Oh man, in GLP-1 and heard that, "Oh man, in GLP-1 and heard that, "Oh man, in GLP-1 and GLP-2s, you can lose muscle." And so, GLP-2s, you can lose muscle." And so, GLP-2s, you can lose muscle." And so, "Oh, Retatide is supposed to stop that "Oh, Retatide is supposed to stop that "Oh, Retatide is supposed to stop that from happening." And so, there's a from happening." And so, there's a from happening." And so, there's a slinging Retatide before it's even slinging Retatide before it's even slinging Retatide before it's even >> I'm going to get back to research >> I'm going to get back to research >> I'm going to get back to research peptides, but this is the single most peptides, but this is the single most peptides, but this is the single most insane topic is Retatide stops you from insane topic is Retatide stops you from insane topic is Retatide stops you from losing muscle. The Eli The guy who spent losing muscle. The Eli The guy who spent losing muscle. The Eli The guy who spent $2 [clears throat] billion, $2 [clears throat] billion, $2 [clears throat] billion, right? Eli Lilly creating this drug. right? Eli Lilly creating this drug. right? Eli Lilly creating this drug. Cannot make the [ __ ] claim. Cannot make the [ __ ] claim. Cannot make the [ __ ] claim. >> No. Phase three trial came out. >> No. Phase three trial came out. >> No. Phase three trial came out. >> 14 lbs average muscle lost. So, but >> 14 lbs average muscle lost. So, but >> 14 lbs average muscle lost. So, but you're a social media influencer. You you're a social media influencer. You you're a social media influencer. You you know exactly that you don't lose you know exactly that you don't lose you know exactly that you don't lose muscle. And it's the most aggressive of muscle. And it's the most aggressive of muscle. And it's the most aggressive of all three of them. all three of them. all three of them. It's the most aggressive. 29% average It's the most aggressive. 29% average It's the most aggressive. 29% average weight loss on the highest doses. Like weight loss on the highest doses. Like weight loss on the highest doses. Like who needs to lose a third of their body? who needs to lose a third of their body? who needs to lose a third of their body? >> It also, because of the third receptor >> It also, because of the third receptor >> It also, because of the third receptor that it attaches to, um, elevates heart that it attaches to, um, elevates heart that it attaches to, um, elevates heart rate, which the other ones don't uh, rate, which the other ones don't uh, rate, which the other ones don't uh, necessarily. Not to that extent. They necessarily. Not to that extent. They necessarily. Not to that extent. They all can cause a little bit of rise in all can cause a little bit of rise in all can cause a little bit of rise in resting heart rate, but Retatide seems resting heart rate, but Retatide seems resting heart rate, but Retatide seems to have the strongest effect. And so, to have the strongest effect. And so, to have the strongest effect. And so, some side effects are like insomnia some side effects are like insomnia some side effects are like insomnia and stuff like that. So and stuff like that. So and stuff like that. So >> One out of five people suffering from >> One out of five people suffering from >> One out of five people suffering from dysgeusia, which is the burning of the dysgeusia, which is the burning of the dysgeusia, which is the burning of the skin sensation above 12 mg. One out of skin sensation above 12 mg. One out of skin sensation above 12 mg. One out of five. five. five. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah. 19 and 19%. >> Yeah. 19 and 19%. >> Yeah. 19 and 19%. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow, that's big. >> Wow, that's big. >> Wow, that's big. >> 19. >> 19. >> 19. >> And Retatide is not It's It's just It >> And Retatide is not It's It's just It >> And Retatide is not It's It's just It just did phase three trials. It's not just did phase three trials. It's not just did phase three trials. It's not even FDA approved. even FDA approved. even FDA approved. >> got tirzepatide, which is already super >> got tirzepatide, which is already super >> got tirzepatide, which is already super strong. I don't understand why people strong. I don't understand why people strong. I don't understand why people are jumping on the Retatide. are jumping on the Retatide. are jumping on the Retatide. >> Because Because of the the myth that is >> Because Because of the the myth that is >> Because Because of the the myth that is the social media stuff. It's the myth the social media stuff. It's the myth the social media stuff. It's the myth that you won't lose muscle. Yeah. Every that you won't lose muscle. Yeah. Every that you won't lose muscle. Yeah. Every That was the big scare from semaglutide That was the big scare from semaglutide That was the big scare from semaglutide and tirzepatide was, "Oh man, these and tirzepatide was, "Oh man, these and tirzepatide was, "Oh man, these people they lost 50 lb, but they also people they lost 50 lb, but they also people they lost 50 lb, but they also lost 20 lb of muscle. This new GLP-3 lost 20 lb of muscle. This new GLP-3 lost 20 lb of muscle. This new GLP-3 keeps you from losing muscle." And so, keeps you from losing muscle." And so, keeps you from losing muscle." And so, that's This is what they're that's This is what they're that's This is what they're communicating. I'm just sitting there communicating. I'm just sitting there communicating. I'm just sitting there listening, right? As if I don't know listening, right? As if I don't know listening, right? As if I don't know what's going on. I'm Oh, wow, what's going on. I'm Oh, wow, what's going on. I'm Oh, wow, interesting. Tell me more. interesting. Tell me more. interesting. Tell me more. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then asking questions, how much you >> And then asking questions, how much you >> And then asking questions, how much you getting for? What are these people getting for? What are these people getting for? What are these people doing? How How do you like all just doing? How How do you like all just doing? How How do you like all just random people that are because it's random people that are because it's random people that are because it's become so popular and mainstream and become so popular and mainstream and become so popular and mainstream and people so many people are losing weight people so many people are losing weight people so many people are losing weight from the GLPs from the GLPs from the GLPs that you've got these people that are that you've got these people that are that you've got these people that are wanting it. And then when they go do wanting it. And then when they go do wanting it. And then when they go do their little bit of their homework or their little bit of their homework or their little bit of their homework or they try to do the legitimate way, they they try to do the legitimate way, they they try to do the legitimate way, they find out it's not cheap. And then they find out it's not cheap. And then they find out it's not cheap. And then they find out, "Oh, I've got a friend who find out, "Oh, I've got a friend who find out, "Oh, I've got a friend who says they can get it for half price or a says they can get it for half price or a says they can get it for half price or a fraction of that." And they're pedaling fraction of that." And they're pedaling fraction of that." And they're pedaling to all these people. Just to all these people. Just to all these people. Just no no subscription no no no prescription no no subscription no no no prescription no no subscription no no no prescription no blood work being done no idea how to no blood work being done no idea how to no blood work being done no idea how to dose it correctly don't even know if dose it correctly don't even know if dose it correctly don't even know if it's legitimately 40% true or pure or it's legitimately 40% true or pure or it's legitimately 40% true or pure or not. It is wild. not. It is wild. not. 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Go to mapsanabolic.com, use the code anabolic and that'll give use the code anabolic and that'll give use the code anabolic and that'll give you the 50% off discount. you the 50% off discount. you the 50% off discount. >> Those things are mega issue. I mean, >> Those things are mega issue. I mean, >> Those things are mega issue. I mean, people are taking drugs. people are taking drugs. people are taking drugs. And when you go to any of these research And when you go to any of these research And when you go to any of these research sites or your hairdresser for that sites or your hairdresser for that sites or your hairdresser for that matter, matter, matter, who's telling you what dose you're who's telling you what dose you're who's telling you what dose you're taking? What about titration? Who's taking? What about titration? Who's taking? What about titration? Who's guiding you through any of this stuff? guiding you through any of this stuff? guiding you through any of this stuff? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, we got person that bought >> I mean, we got person that bought >> I mean, we got person that bought epitalon off a research site. She goes, epitalon off a research site. She goes, epitalon off a research site. She goes, "I'm just" She came to Shred Bell. She's "I'm just" She came to Shred Bell. She's "I'm just" She came to Shred Bell. She's like, "I've got this like brain fog I like, "I've got this like brain fog I like, "I've got this like brain fog I can't get rid of." I go, "What are you can't get rid of." I go, "What are you can't get rid of." I go, "What are you taking?" She goes, "I've been on taking?" She goes, "I've been on taking?" She goes, "I've been on epitalon for 5 months." What? epitalon for 5 months." What? epitalon for 5 months." What? >> 5 months? >> 5 months? >> 5 months? >> 5 months? >> 5 months? >> 5 months? >> No, I think you're supposed to limit >> No, I think you're supposed to limit >> No, I think you're supposed to limit that to like 20 or 30 days or something. that to like 20 or 30 days or something. that to like 20 or 30 days or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, two two to three >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, two two to three >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, two two to three weeks. And she's been on for 5 months. weeks. And she's been on for 5 months. weeks. And she's been on for 5 months. Holy hell. Because who's who's telling? Holy hell. Because who's who's telling? Holy hell. Because who's who's telling? Yeah. Who's telling, you know, Sarah in Yeah. Who's telling, you know, Sarah in Yeah. Who's telling, you know, Sarah in Tennessee Tennessee Tennessee who's a mom what the dosing schedule is? who's a mom what the dosing schedule is? who's a mom what the dosing schedule is? >> The scary part to me cuz the 40% fail, >> The scary part to me cuz the 40% fail, >> The scary part to me cuz the 40% fail, most of it has to do with improper most of it has to do with improper most of it has to do with improper labeling and dosing. Dosing could be labeling and dosing. Dosing could be labeling and dosing. Dosing could be dangerous. dangerous. dangerous. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> To an extent, improper labeling can be >> To an extent, improper labeling can be >> To an extent, improper labeling can be as well because if you have some issues as well because if you have some issues as well because if you have some issues taking some peptides might not be a good taking some peptides might not be a good taking some peptides might not be a good idea. But the one that really scared me idea. But the one that really scared me idea. But the one that really scared me cuz when you brought it up I went and cuz when you brought it up I went and cuz when you brought it up I went and researched and looked it up. 15% had researched and looked it up. 15% had researched and looked it up. 15% had bacterial contaminants. bacterial contaminants. bacterial contaminants. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So so one >> So so one >> So so one to to two out of 10 to to two out of 10 to to two out of 10 samples had bacteria. samples had bacteria. samples had bacteria. Which, you know, that could be Which, you know, that could be Which, you know, that could be devastating of a problem. Are are you devastating of a problem. Are are you devastating of a problem. Are are you getting any reports from people who are getting any reports from people who are getting any reports from people who are having adverse effects from research having adverse effects from research having adverse effects from research chemicals? chemicals? chemicals? >> got that. We're doing a men's health >> got that. We're doing a men's health >> got that. We're doing a men's health interview on this. We've got 28 patients interview on this. We've got 28 patients interview on this. We've got 28 patients which are going to participate cuz which are going to participate cuz which are going to participate cuz you've got to get their consent and and you've got to get their consent and and you've got to get their consent and and what have you. what have you. what have you. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Um of of research >> Um of of research >> Um of of research problems or of research peptides. problems or of research peptides. problems or of research peptides. >> of things are we are they are they are >> of things are we are they are they are >> of things are we are they are they are we seeing? we seeing? we seeing? >> You've got >> You've got >> You've got injection injection sites where, you injection injection sites where, you injection injection sites where, you know, you get I don't know if it's know, you get I don't know if it's know, you get I don't know if it's gangrene. I don't know what it's called, gangrene. I don't know what it's called, gangrene. I don't know what it's called, but where you get like flesh eating. So but where you get like flesh eating. So but where you get like flesh eating. So where you have to get like a golf ball where you have to get like a golf ball where you have to get like a golf ball or baseball size removal at the or baseball size removal at the or baseball size removal at the injection site. And that's twofold, injection site. And that's twofold, injection site. And that's twofold, right? You can also get bacteria from right? You can also get bacteria from right? You can also get bacteria from improper, you know, you don't want to improper, you know, you don't want to improper, you know, you don't want to you don't dirty needles, you don't use you don't dirty needles, you don't use you don't dirty needles, you don't use your alcohol swabs. So you have that, your alcohol swabs. So you have that, your alcohol swabs. So you have that, you've got distension. You've got you've got distension. You've got you've got distension. You've got cardiomyopathy from people taking mega cardiomyopathy from people taking mega cardiomyopathy from people taking mega doses of of the GHRHs and the GHRPs. doses of of the GHRHs and the GHRPs. doses of of the GHRHs and the GHRPs. You've got, You've got, You've got, you know, the brain fog from people. I you know, the brain fog from people. I you know, the brain fog from people. I mean, I don't know how you do 5 months mean, I don't know how you do 5 months mean, I don't know how you do 5 months of epitalon. of epitalon. of epitalon. But yeah, I mean, you've got so many But yeah, I mean, you've got so many But yeah, I mean, you've got so many different problems that arise from different problems that arise from different problems that arise from research peptides. And by the way, I'm research peptides. And by the way, I'm research peptides. And by the way, I'm not even knocking. Like if you find the not even knocking. Like if you find the not even knocking. Like if you find the most amazing research peptide company in most amazing research peptide company in most amazing research peptide company in in world and everything's perfect, good in world and everything's perfect, good in world and everything's perfect, good for you. But at the end of the day, for you. But at the end of the day, for you. But at the end of the day, who's helping you? Who's guiding you? who's helping you? Who's guiding you? who's helping you? Who's guiding you? Right? People aren't Right? People aren't Right? People aren't It's hard to navigate. It's a second It's hard to navigate. It's a second It's hard to navigate. It's a second job. Like this is a second job. You got job. Like this is a second job. You got job. Like this is a second job. You got to research, you got to do all of these to research, you got to do all of these to research, you got to do all of these things and figure it all out on your things and figure it all out on your things and figure it all out on your own. own. own. Like why? Like why? Like why? >> And there's no way to confirm like what >> And there's no way to confirm like what >> And there's no way to confirm like what you got. Like there's no testing kit or you got. Like there's no testing kit or you got. Like there's no testing kit or something like that. something like that. something like that. >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> Yeah, who wants to pay to test every >> Yeah, who wants to pay to test every >> Yeah, who wants to pay to test every single one of their single one of their single one of their >> Well, especially the person that's >> Well, especially the person that's >> Well, especially the person that's trying to save money. That's not the trying to save money. That's not the trying to save money. That's not the person that pays for it. person that pays for it. person that pays for it. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Yeah, I mean the the the best call out >> Yeah, I mean the the the best call out >> Yeah, I mean the the the best call out ever. Yeah, I know. The person the ever. Yeah, I know. The person the ever. Yeah, I know. The person the person who's trying to save a buck is person who's trying to save a buck is person who's trying to save a buck is not going to go through the extra step not going to go through the extra step not going to go through the extra step to test their stuff and spend X amount to test their stuff and spend X amount to test their stuff and spend X amount of dollars on that. So of dollars on that. So of dollars on that. So >> So talk about it. You would just go to >> So talk about it. You would just go to >> So talk about it. You would just go to the the the real source. real source. real source. >> Now talk about the the what's the >> Now talk about the the what's the >> Now talk about the the what's the difference? What do the regulations look difference? What do the regulations look difference? What do the regulations look like if I go through like Vita Bella? like if I go through like Vita Bella? like if I go through like Vita Bella? Like you guys are going through FDA Like you guys are going through FDA Like you guys are going through FDA regulated compound pharmacies. What does regulated compound pharmacies. What does regulated compound pharmacies. What does that look like in terms of determining that look like in terms of determining that look like in terms of determining you know, purity and dosing and all you know, purity and dosing and all you know, purity and dosing and all stuff. What's the difference? stuff. What's the difference? stuff. What's the difference? >> Oversight. >> Oversight. >> Oversight. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> See, you think about it basic. There's >> See, you think about it basic. There's >> See, you think about it basic. There's no oversight. There's no guaranteed no oversight. There's no guaranteed no oversight. There's no guaranteed testing. The it's not made in a sterile testing. The it's not made in a sterile testing. The it's not made in a sterile facility. Like you look at these things. facility. Like you look at these things. facility. Like you look at these things. It's everything's under hood, right? For It's everything's under hood, right? For It's everything's under hood, right? For those people that are brainiacs, it's those people that are brainiacs, it's those people that are brainiacs, it's under hood and the guy's going in hazmat under hood and the guy's going in hazmat under hood and the guy's going in hazmat suits, right? You're getting air suits, right? You're getting air suits, right? You're getting air purified through multiple gates to get purified through multiple gates to get purified through multiple gates to get into your your sterile lab and produce into your your sterile lab and produce into your your sterile lab and produce any of these these products. One, it any of these these products. One, it any of these these products. One, it helps out and by the way, helps out and by the way, helps out and by the way, even in FDA licensed pharmacies, even in FDA licensed pharmacies, even in FDA licensed pharmacies, you get bacteria. you get bacteria. you get bacteria. >> Yeah. It's impossible to be 100%. >> Yeah. It's impossible to be 100%. >> Yeah. It's impossible to be 100%. >> Yeah. And so guess what? You throw away >> Yeah. And so guess what? You throw away >> Yeah. And so guess what? You throw away the damn lot. the damn lot. the damn lot. We had a mega problem on your page. I We had a mega problem on your page. I We had a mega problem on your page. I was very forthcoming in the MP uh was very forthcoming in the MP uh was very forthcoming in the MP uh um in the Mind Pump Hormones Facebook um in the Mind Pump Hormones Facebook um in the Mind Pump Hormones Facebook page and cuz we had a delay in TB 500 page and cuz we had a delay in TB 500 page and cuz we had a delay in TB 500 and BPC 157 and I was very forthcoming. and BPC 157 and I was very forthcoming. and BPC 157 and I was very forthcoming. I said, "Guys, I'm really apologize for I said, "Guys, I'm really apologize for I said, "Guys, I'm really apologize for the delay of what's coming. The batch the delay of what's coming. The batch the delay of what's coming. The batch that came out was not at the level of that came out was not at the level of that came out was not at the level of the standards that we wanted and I the standards that we wanted and I the standards that we wanted and I didn't realize it was going to be this didn't realize it was going to be this didn't realize it was going to be this long to reproduce a new batch, but I you long to reproduce a new batch, but I you long to reproduce a new batch, but I you know, and I I gave people credits, I know, and I I gave people credits, I know, and I I gave people credits, I gave people everything because the the gave people everything because the the gave people everything because the the quality matters. Like quality over quality matters. Like quality over quality matters. Like quality over speed. And people are like, "I need it speed. And people are like, "I need it speed. And people are like, "I need it today." I get it. today." I get it. today." I get it. >> Yeah, but that should make people happy >> Yeah, but that should make people happy >> Yeah, but that should make people happy though. I'd way rather hear that my though. I'd way rather hear that my though. I'd way rather hear that my stuff isn't on its way because the guy stuff isn't on its way because the guy stuff isn't on its way because the guy who's stopping it is like, "Hey, there who's stopping it is like, "Hey, there who's stopping it is like, "Hey, there was contaminant, so we threw it out was contaminant, so we threw it out was contaminant, so we threw it out completely and now we have to redo completely and now we have to redo completely and now we have to redo everything." And so versus you could everything." And so versus you could everything." And so versus you could have sold it to me that way. have sold it to me that way. have sold it to me that way. >> And we could have, by the way. We could >> And we could have, by the way. We could >> And we could have, by the way. We could have sold it. have sold it. have sold it. >> And so >> And so >> And so >> But we wouldn't. >> But we wouldn't. >> But we wouldn't. >> Yeah. Now, do do the do the raw >> Yeah. Now, do do the do the raw >> Yeah. Now, do do the do the raw materials cuz I know we do testing. It materials cuz I know we do testing. It materials cuz I know we do testing. It goes through FDA goes through FDA goes through FDA regulated compound pharmacy. In other regulated compound pharmacy. In other regulated compound pharmacy. In other words, if the compound pharmacy fails, words, if the compound pharmacy fails, words, if the compound pharmacy fails, they could lose their status and they they could lose their status and they they could lose their status and they can't. So, it's like a like very high can't. So, it's like a like very high can't. So, it's like a like very high standards. standards. standards. But are the raw materials coming from But are the raw materials coming from But are the raw materials coming from overseas? Or Absolutely. Okay, they overseas? Or Absolutely. Okay, they overseas? Or Absolutely. Okay, they always do. always do. always do. >> I don't care what anybody says. Like, >> I don't care what anybody says. Like, >> I don't care what anybody says. Like, "Oh, peptides come from China." "Oh, peptides come from China." "Oh, peptides come from China." And so does every damn shoe from a brand And so does every damn shoe from a brand And so does every damn shoe from a brand that costs $8,000 to $10. So does your that costs $8,000 to $10. So does your that costs $8,000 to $10. So does your clothes. So by the way, you know, you clothes. So by the way, you know, you clothes. So by the way, you know, you can take a junk phone or you can take can take a junk phone or you can take can take a junk phone or you can take the Apple iPhone. They both come from the Apple iPhone. They both come from the Apple iPhone. They both come from China. But the quality is very China. But the quality is very China. But the quality is very different. It goes through stringent different. It goes through stringent different. It goes through stringent testing. You've got powders that go testing. You've got powders that go testing. You've got powders that go through PCCA in Houston, which is a through PCCA in Houston, which is a through PCCA in Houston, which is a certifier of certain powders. There's so certifier of certain powders. There's so certifier of certain powders. There's so much more governance. And by save money much more governance. And by save money much more governance. And by save money on Temu and Alibaba for lawn chairs and on Temu and Alibaba for lawn chairs and on Temu and Alibaba for lawn chairs and shirts. Like shirts. Like shirts. Like >> That's the thing you're injecting. >> That's the thing you're injecting. >> That's the thing you're injecting. >> Yeah, you're injecting it under your >> Yeah, you're injecting it under your >> Yeah, you're injecting it under your skin. Immediate access to your heart, skin. Immediate access to your heart, skin. Immediate access to your heart, your blood supply, your brain health, your blood supply, your brain health, your blood supply, your brain health, your liver health, your kidney function. your liver health, your kidney function. your liver health, your kidney function. Like save in any other areas in your Like save in any other areas in your Like save in any other areas in your life. And what are the cost differences? life. And what are the cost differences? life. And what are the cost differences? Maybe $50, $75. What are you really Maybe $50, $75. What are you really Maybe $50, $75. What are you really saving to guarantee the success of you? saving to guarantee the success of you? saving to guarantee the success of you? And then also And then also And then also what are you doing with your hormones on what are you doing with your hormones on what are you doing with your hormones on top of it? Like like dialing hormones top of it? Like like dialing hormones top of it? Like like dialing hormones before peptides. And that's a big thing. before peptides. And that's a big thing. before peptides. And that's a big thing. >> Yeah, cover that for a second cuz um >> Yeah, cover that for a second cuz um >> Yeah, cover that for a second cuz um you have like first order and second you have like first order and second you have like first order and second order things you want to focus on. order things you want to focus on. order things you want to focus on. Uh how helpful are peptides if my Uh how helpful are peptides if my Uh how helpful are peptides if my hormones are all messed up? hormones are all messed up? hormones are all messed up? >> You know, I Mike Israetel [snorts] said >> You know, I Mike Israetel [snorts] said >> You know, I Mike Israetel [snorts] said it best. He talked a ton about peptides it best. He talked a ton about peptides it best. He talked a ton about peptides on his latest uh on his latest podcast on his latest uh on his latest podcast on his latest uh on his latest podcast that he did. And it's like that he did. And it's like that he did. And it's like taking peptides before dialing in your taking peptides before dialing in your taking peptides before dialing in your hormones is like watering and hormones is like watering and hormones is like watering and fertilizing grass before you seed it. fertilizing grass before you seed it. fertilizing grass before you seed it. >> Mhm. There's no grass there. >> Mhm. There's no grass there. >> Mhm. There's no grass there. >> like there's some grass left over from >> like there's some grass left over from >> like there's some grass left over from last season and some things are going to last season and some things are going to last season and some things are going to happen, but seed and build the happen, but seed and build the happen, but seed and build the foundation. Hormones are so important to foundation. Hormones are so important to foundation. Hormones are so important to be just the foundation of who you are. be just the foundation of who you are. be just the foundation of who you are. You jump on People jump on their You jump on People jump on their You jump on People jump on their peptides like I'm still bloated. Yeah, peptides like I'm still bloated. Yeah, peptides like I'm still bloated. Yeah, cuz your estrogen's out of whack. cuz your estrogen's out of whack. cuz your estrogen's out of whack. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Like there's just so many things and >> Like there's just so many things and >> Like there's just so many things and then you jump on, you know, you talked then you jump on, you know, you talked then you jump on, you know, you talked about Reddit and it's so strong. What about Reddit and it's so strong. What about Reddit and it's so strong. What happens when you jump on these peptides, happens when you jump on these peptides, happens when you jump on these peptides, you lose muscle. If you're 50-year-old you lose muscle. If you're 50-year-old you lose muscle. If you're 50-year-old male, 50-year-old female, you lose 6 lb male, 50-year-old female, you lose 6 lb male, 50-year-old female, you lose 6 lb of muscle. You guys are all trainers. of muscle. You guys are all trainers. of muscle. You guys are all trainers. How hard is it for a 50-60-year-old How hard is it for a 50-60-year-old How hard is it for a 50-60-year-old person to gain back 6 lb of muscle? person to gain back 6 lb of muscle? person to gain back 6 lb of muscle? >> That's what you minimize and so hormones >> That's what you minimize and so hormones >> That's what you minimize and so hormones are the single greatest thing to dial in are the single greatest thing to dial in are the single greatest thing to dial in first. I think people don't understand first. I think people don't understand first. I think people don't understand how important they are. They are truly how important they are. They are truly how important they are. They are truly the foundation and it's what takes you the foundation and it's what takes you the foundation and it's what takes you It's It's what catapults you to where It's It's what catapults you to where It's It's what catapults you to where you are. Like Peptides are not going to you are. Like Peptides are not going to you are. Like Peptides are not going to give you all this muscle. give you all this muscle. give you all this muscle. You feel like, "Yeah, I'm jumping on You feel like, "Yeah, I'm jumping on You feel like, "Yeah, I'm jumping on CJC, Tesamorelin, Somorelin." CJC, Tesamorelin, Somorelin." CJC, Tesamorelin, Somorelin." Great. Nothing will replace anabolics. Great. Nothing will replace anabolics. Great. Nothing will replace anabolics. Nothing. There's nothing. Maybe throw in Nothing. There's nothing. Maybe throw in Nothing. There's nothing. Maybe throw in HGH, right? Talk to Phil. But uh yeah, I HGH, right? Talk to Phil. But uh yeah, I HGH, right? Talk to Phil. But uh yeah, I mean nothing will replace anabolics. mean nothing will replace anabolics. mean nothing will replace anabolics. Testosterone's your base to build muscle Testosterone's your base to build muscle Testosterone's your base to build muscle and maintain muscle long-term. Peptides and maintain muscle long-term. Peptides and maintain muscle long-term. Peptides are absolutely going to help, but are absolutely going to help, but are absolutely going to help, but they're like bolt-ons to the car. they're like bolt-ons to the car. they're like bolt-ons to the car. >> What are the hormones that you guys work >> What are the hormones that you guys work >> What are the hormones that you guys work with? Obviously testosterone. You guys with? Obviously testosterone. You guys with? Obviously testosterone. You guys also work with uh progesterone, thyroid also work with uh progesterone, thyroid also work with uh progesterone, thyroid uh cuz I know women's uh you know, uh cuz I know women's uh you know, uh cuz I know women's uh you know, regulating their hormones through regulating their hormones through regulating their hormones through therapy often involves more than just therapy often involves more than just therapy often involves more than just testosterone, right? Whereas with guys testosterone, right? Whereas with guys testosterone, right? Whereas with guys can get away sometimes with can get away sometimes with can get away sometimes with >> I'll give you both sides. So, on the >> I'll give you both sides. So, on the >> I'll give you both sides. So, on the male side you've got testosterone, male side you've got testosterone, male side you've got testosterone, you've got all the esters, you've got you've got all the esters, you've got you've got all the esters, you've got cypionate and anthony propionate. We've cypionate and anthony propionate. We've cypionate and anthony propionate. We've even got tri-blend where you mix them even got tri-blend where you mix them even got tri-blend where you mix them all together and take one shot with all all together and take one shot with all all together and take one shot with all three of them. Yeah. three of them. Yeah. three of them. Yeah. >> Yeah, what So, what do you So, uh I've >> Yeah, what So, what do you So, uh I've >> Yeah, what So, what do you So, uh I've heard that that's like, "Ah, it doesn't heard that that's like, "Ah, it doesn't heard that that's like, "Ah, it doesn't make that big difference." And I've make that big difference." And I've make that big difference." And I've heard other people say it makes a big heard other people say it makes a big heard other people say it makes a big difference. Like, what do you think? difference. Like, what do you think? difference. Like, what do you think? >> Mega fan. >> Mega fan. >> Mega fan. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Mega fan because what happens is as >> Mega fan because what happens is as >> Mega fan because what happens is as you're changing the half-lives and the you're changing the half-lives and the you're changing the half-lives and the release cycles in the body, you're release cycles in the body, you're release cycles in the body, you're talking, you know, you got propionate 2 talking, you know, you got propionate 2 talking, you know, you got propionate 2 days, you've got cypionate roughly 7 day days, you've got cypionate roughly 7 day days, you've got cypionate roughly 7 day or enanthate 7 days, cypionate 10 day or enanthate 7 days, cypionate 10 day or enanthate 7 days, cypionate 10 day half-life release cycles and then you half-life release cycles and then you half-life release cycles and then you take them on Mondays, you know, split take them on Mondays, you know, split take them on Mondays, you know, split your dose, whatever you're taking for your dose, whatever you're taking for your dose, whatever you're taking for the week, split it on Mondays and the week, split it on Mondays and the week, split it on Mondays and Thursdays, you'll get a lot bigger Thursdays, you'll get a lot bigger Thursdays, you'll get a lot bigger boost. You want, you know, I want to get boost. You want, you know, I want to get boost. You want, you know, I want to get bigger legs. I don't know why I can't bigger legs. I don't know why I can't bigger legs. I don't know why I can't get them. I'm doing eating enough, I get them. I'm doing eating enough, I get them. I'm doing eating enough, I don't know, but I take whatever leg days don't know, but I take whatever leg days don't know, but I take whatever leg days I'm taking that. But yeah, those are I'm taking that. But yeah, those are I'm taking that. But yeah, those are great and then when you go into the, you great and then when you go into the, you great and then when you go into the, you know, if injury and recovery side, know, if injury and recovery side, know, if injury and recovery side, oxandrolone, oxandrolone, oxandrolone, uh, known as Anavar, you've got uh, known as Anavar, you've got uh, known as Anavar, you've got nandrolone, which is Deca. These are nandrolone, which is Deca. These are nandrolone, which is Deca. These are great for injury recovery, people who great for injury recovery, people who great for injury recovery, people who experience massive weight loss. experience massive weight loss. experience massive weight loss. Um, and then from a women side, Um, and then from a women side, Um, and then from a women side, testosterone, testosterone, testosterone, the single greatest the single greatest the single greatest prescription that we give women for day prescription that we give women for day prescription that we give women for day and night on top of estrogen, and night on top of estrogen, and night on top of estrogen, progesterone and everything else. But so progesterone and everything else. But so progesterone and everything else. But so many companies out there like Winona, many companies out there like Winona, many companies out there like Winona, like the largest female hormone dialing like the largest female hormone dialing like the largest female hormone dialing in company in the nation right now. in company in the nation right now. in company in the nation right now. They don't even offer testosterone. How They don't even offer testosterone. How They don't even offer testosterone. How do you dial in a complete hormone do you dial in a complete hormone do you dial in a complete hormone package without dialing in testosterone? package without dialing in testosterone? package without dialing in testosterone? It's game-changing. We prescribe, crazy It's game-changing. We prescribe, crazy It's game-changing. We prescribe, crazy statistic, statistic, statistic, more testosterone to women than men. more testosterone to women than men. more testosterone to women than men. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Is that because more of them come back >> Is that because more of them come back >> Is that because more of them come back with it being low? with it being low? with it being low? >> It's because of your followers how many >> It's because of your followers how many >> It's because of your followers how many came to us by the way. [laughter] No, came to us by the way. [laughter] No, came to us by the way. [laughter] No, um, it's the average woman that we're um, it's the average woman that we're um, it's the average woman that we're testing right now above the age of 40. testing right now above the age of 40. testing right now above the age of 40. >> Oh, perimenopause, menopause. >> Oh, perimenopause, menopause. >> Oh, perimenopause, menopause. >> Blow your mind. Get ready for it. Single >> Blow your mind. Get ready for it. Single >> Blow your mind. Get ready for it. Single digits. digits. digits. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Single. >> Single. >> Single. Single digits. Single digits. Single digits. >> So, it's like no testosterone. >> So, it's like no testosterone. >> So, it's like no testosterone. >> Yeah, five, seven. >> Yeah, five, seven. >> Yeah, five, seven. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And dialed in's like 60 to 70. >> And dialed in's like 60 to 70. >> And dialed in's like 60 to 70. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, you're talking almost a if you're at >> So, you're talking almost a if you're at >> So, you're talking almost a if you're at six, it's a thousand percent increase six, it's a thousand percent increase six, it's a thousand percent increase libido, libido, libido, energy, tiredness, muscle, just energy, tiredness, muscle, just energy, tiredness, muscle, just confidence. You these women start confidence. You these women start confidence. You these women start walking, be careful with their husbands. walking, be careful with their husbands. walking, be careful with their husbands. >> How are they using How are they >> How are they using How are they >> How are they using How are they administer administer the testosterone? administer administer the testosterone? administer administer the testosterone? Is it an or with women do they also do Is it an or with women do they also do Is it an or with women do they also do cream? Are there other options? cream? Are there other options? cream? Are there other options? >> all of them, right? But I I prefer >> all of them, right? But I I prefer >> all of them, right? But I I prefer injection. Cream can get messy, injection. Cream can get messy, injection. Cream can get messy, especially if you have kids around. especially if you have kids around. especially if you have kids around. People don't think about this. People don't think about this. People don't think about this. >> It's cross. You can you can >> It's cross. You can you can >> It's cross. You can you can >> You can >> You can >> You can crazy. Like Like you put your cream on crazy. Like Like you put your cream on crazy. Like Like you put your cream on and then you touch your son, your and then you touch your son, your and then you touch your son, your daughter. It 100% daughter. It 100% daughter. It 100% It absolutely It absolutely It absolutely >> Who do we know that was petting their >> Who do we know that was petting their >> Who do we know that was petting their dog and the dog was dog and the dog was dog and the dog was the dog was like losing hair on the on the dog was like losing hair on the on the dog was like losing hair on the on the top of their head because they would the top of their head because they would the top of their head because they would they would pet their dog. they would pet their dog. they would pet their dog. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. >> I get my dog jacked now. >> I get my dog jacked now. >> I get my dog jacked now. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I'm going to go home tonight. >> I'm going to go home tonight. >> I'm going to go home tonight. Here, listen. This is a new cream. Here, listen. This is a new cream. Here, listen. This is a new cream. >> But but they are available in other >> But but they are available in other >> But but they are available in other words cuz some people are afraid of the words cuz some people are afraid of the words cuz some people are afraid of the cuz there's there's a difference between cuz there's there's a difference between cuz there's there's a difference between the insulin needle that you use with the the insulin needle that you use with the the insulin needle that you use with the peptide, tiny, but intramuscular needle peptide, tiny, but intramuscular needle peptide, tiny, but intramuscular needle is much larger. Some people are like is much larger. Some people are like is much larger. Some people are like super like super like super like >> of people use insulin needles to inject >> of people use insulin needles to inject >> of people use insulin needles to inject testosterone. testosterone. testosterone. >> How does that work? So is it just is it >> How does that work? So is it just is it >> How does that work? So is it just is it the I mean cuz how do you get the oil the I mean cuz how do you get the oil the I mean cuz how do you get the oil through the oil through that? through the oil through that? through the oil through that? >> swear. People are patient and if you're >> swear. People are patient and if you're >> swear. People are patient and if you're going to low dose, like women an average going to low dose, like women an average going to low dose, like women an average woman's dose is like 2.5 to 5, right? woman's dose is like 2.5 to 5, right? woman's dose is like 2.5 to 5, right? They sit there for 20, 30 seconds. They They sit there for 20, 30 seconds. They They sit there for 20, 30 seconds. They pull in the insulin needle cuz they pull in the insulin needle cuz they pull in the insulin needle cuz they don't want to inject the big needle. don't want to inject the big needle. don't want to inject the big needle. >> No, no. >> No, no. >> No, no. >> 25 gauge. >> 25 gauge. >> 25 gauge. >> And so you just go in through >> And so you just go in through >> And so you just go in through >> And you And then you just push it into >> And you And then you just push it into >> And you And then you just push it into the skin enough to where you're inside the skin enough to where you're inside the skin enough to where you're inside of the muscle and you put your tiny of the muscle and you put your tiny of the muscle and you put your tiny little little little >> Is that how the majority of them are >> Is that how the majority of them are >> Is that how the majority of them are doing it? doing it? doing it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> We've got a lot of women that are using >> We've got a lot of women that are using >> We've got a lot of women that are using insulin needles to inject that. Now, insulin needles to inject that. Now, insulin needles to inject that. Now, again, it's annoying a little bit, again, it's annoying a little bit, again, it's annoying a little bit, right? You got to wait 20, 30 seconds. right? You got to wait 20, 30 seconds. right? You got to wait 20, 30 seconds. No one's patient. No one's patient. No one's patient. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um patients are not patient. >> Um patients are not patient. >> Um patients are not patient. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And uh and yeah, but yeah, they they >> And uh and yeah, but yeah, they they >> And uh and yeah, but yeah, they they absolutely do and it's great. absolutely do and it's great. absolutely do and it's great. >> But the creams are also available. >> But the creams are also available. >> But the creams are also available. >> Yeah, creams are available and same >> Yeah, creams are available and same >> Yeah, creams are available and same thing with estrogen, right? You've got thing with estrogen, right? You've got thing with estrogen, right? You've got your patches, progesterone you've got your patches, progesterone you've got your patches, progesterone you've got your pills, trokies. You've got all your pills, trokies. You've got all your pills, trokies. You've got all sorts of options. We all If it's sorts of options. We all If it's sorts of options. We all If it's available, we offer probably 98% of available, we offer probably 98% of available, we offer probably 98% of anything that's available in the in the anything that's available in the in the anything that's available in the in the marketplace. marketplace. marketplace. >> Speaking of which, recently a bunch of >> Speaking of which, recently a bunch of >> Speaking of which, recently a bunch of peptides uh became available again. peptides uh became available again. peptides uh became available again. There was a minute there There was a minute there There was a minute there >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> where we couldn't have uh of offer >> where we couldn't have uh of offer >> where we couldn't have uh of offer BPC 157, we couldn't offer the thymosin BPC 157, we couldn't offer the thymosin BPC 157, we couldn't offer the thymosin ones. There was a lot of them that they ones. There was a lot of them that they ones. There was a lot of them that they we couldn't want C was off limits. we couldn't want C was off limits. we couldn't want C was off limits. Recently they took them they said okay Recently they took them they said okay Recently they took them they said okay you guys can offer these. What happened? you guys can offer these. What happened? you guys can offer these. What happened? >> Yeah, so RFK announced in February that >> Yeah, so RFK announced in February that >> Yeah, so RFK announced in February that he was going to be working on this. In he was going to be working on this. In he was going to be working on this. In April he announced that they're taking April he announced that they're taking April he announced that they're taking them off the category two substance them off the category two substance them off the category two substance list. So in 2023 list. So in 2023 list. So in 2023 October 19 peptides were placed on the October 19 peptides were placed on the October 19 peptides were placed on the category two substance list which just category two substance list which just category two substance list which just means that compounding pharmacies means that compounding pharmacies means that compounding pharmacies shouldn't be able to compound them. He shouldn't be able to compound them. He shouldn't be able to compound them. He undid that lockout from 2023 this year. undid that lockout from 2023 this year. undid that lockout from 2023 this year. They're going [snorts] to go to the FDA They're going [snorts] to go to the FDA They're going [snorts] to go to the FDA review board in July and they're going review board in July and they're going review board in July and they're going to go to the FDA review board in January to go to the FDA review board in January to go to the FDA review board in January to determine if those should be able to to determine if those should be able to to determine if those should be able to be compounded. be compounded. be compounded. >> Okay. And what is the status on the GLPs >> Okay. And what is the status on the GLPs >> Okay. And what is the status on the GLPs like tirzepatide? I know there's uh it's like tirzepatide? I know there's uh it's like tirzepatide? I know there's uh it's obviously um obviously um obviously um uh it's tirzepatide is the name of the uh it's tirzepatide is the name of the uh it's tirzepatide is the name of the peptide. peptide. peptide. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But then you have the brand names of >> But then you have the brand names of >> But then you have the brand names of them. them. them. >> Mounjaro, Zepbound. >> Mounjaro, Zepbound. >> Mounjaro, Zepbound. >> Yeah. So are are what how's that >> Yeah. So are are what how's that >> Yeah. So are are what how's that working? Cuz I know that these companies working? Cuz I know that these companies working? Cuz I know that these companies they these pharma companies they these pharma companies they these pharma companies I believe don't want compound pharmacies I believe don't want compound pharmacies I believe don't want compound pharmacies to offer them because it's like you got to offer them because it's like you got to offer them because it's like you got Advil, you don't want people selling Advil, you don't want people selling Advil, you don't want people selling ibuprofen same compound but you you want ibuprofen same compound but you you want ibuprofen same compound but you you want to be able to sell your expensive to be able to sell your expensive to be able to sell your expensive version of it. How's that looking moving version of it. How's that looking moving version of it. How's that looking moving forward? forward? forward? >> The pharmacy the pharmaceutical >> The pharmacy the pharmaceutical >> The pharmacy the pharmaceutical companies are getting extremely smart on companies are getting extremely smart on companies are getting extremely smart on this. So they're trying to reclassify this. So they're trying to reclassify this. So they're trying to reclassify GLP-1s as biologics. They just filed GLP-1s as biologics. They just filed GLP-1s as biologics. They just filed >> I heard this. So what is that? >> I heard this. So what is that? >> I heard this. So what is that? >> So you need two different licenses. You >> So you need two different licenses. You >> So you need two different licenses. You got a compounding license and a got a compounding license and a got a compounding license and a biologics license. Biologics license is biologics license. Biologics license is biologics license. Biologics license is is harder to get and and require and is harder to get and and require and is harder to get and and require and it's not as a large of a like it's not as a large of a like it's not as a large of a like tesamorelin is a biologic. tesamorelin is a biologic. tesamorelin is a biologic. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> HCG is a biologic. >> HCG is a biologic. >> HCG is a biologic. >> These are Is that because they are >> These are Is that because they are >> These are Is that because they are they're naturally occurring in the body? they're naturally occurring in the body? they're naturally occurring in the body? Is that how they Is that how they Is that how they >> it's it's insane how they even want to >> it's it's insane how they even want to >> it's it's insane how they even want to classify it. classify it. classify it. >> just going to say cuz tirzepatide >> just going to say cuz tirzepatide >> just going to say cuz tirzepatide doesn't exist in my body doesn't exist in my body doesn't exist in my body >> You're correct. Yeah, and it's an >> You're correct. Yeah, and it's an >> You're correct. Yeah, and it's an adjusted and it's just an adjusted amino adjusted and it's just an adjusted amino adjusted and it's just an adjusted amino chain. But um chain. But um chain. But um yeah, they're they're getting smarter yeah, they're they're getting smarter yeah, they're they're getting smarter and they're trying to figure out a way and they're trying to figure out a way and they're trying to figure out a way to mitigate to mitigate to mitigate and prevent compounding pharmacies from and prevent compounding pharmacies from and prevent compounding pharmacies from doing these. And and I I'll be frank. A doing these. And and I I'll be frank. A doing these. And and I I'll be frank. A company spends $2 billion company spends $2 billion company spends $2 billion to make a drug, they deserve to have to make a drug, they deserve to have to make a drug, they deserve to have rights. You need to deserve to make up rights. You need to deserve to make up rights. You need to deserve to make up some of your money. I'm not saying but some of your money. I'm not saying but some of your money. I'm not saying but but I think that there needs to be a lot but I think that there needs to be a lot but I think that there needs to be a lot of flexibility for others to do it in of flexibility for others to do it in of flexibility for others to do it in the ways that they don't, right? They the ways that they don't, right? They the ways that they don't, right? They have a pen, they have this, they have have a pen, they have this, they have have a pen, they have this, they have guaranteed dough you can't go lower than guaranteed dough you can't go lower than guaranteed dough you can't go lower than the the smallest dose. There's certain the the smallest dose. There's certain the the smallest dose. There's certain reasons that should make compounding reasons that should make compounding reasons that should make compounding available, but they're making it harder, available, but they're making it harder, available, but they're making it harder, but today all of these compounds are but today all of these compounds are but today all of these compounds are still readily available and can be still readily available and can be still readily available and can be and can be sold at much less prices than and can be sold at much less prices than and can be sold at much less prices than >> How do you what's your opinion on moving >> How do you what's your opinion on moving >> How do you what's your opinion on moving forward? Do you think they're going to forward? Do you think they're going to forward? Do you think they're going to succeed? >> I think on Rota >> I think on Rota it's going to be close. It's just a it's going to be close. It's just a it's going to be close. It's just a matter of right? You've got RFK at the matter of right? You've got RFK at the matter of right? You've got RFK at the helm and you've removed a lot of the bad helm and you've removed a lot of the bad helm and you've removed a lot of the bad actors from the FDA. actors from the FDA. actors from the FDA. Like before I would say it's a money Like before I would say it's a money Like before I would say it's a money thing and they would be guaranteed. thing and they would be guaranteed. thing and they would be guaranteed. Today I'm not I'm not so sure. Today I'm not I'm not so sure. Today I'm not I'm not so sure. >> What's the difference in price between >> What's the difference in price between >> What's the difference in price between the brand name and the generic the brand name and the generic the brand name and the generic uh you know, a vial of tirzepatide uh you know, a vial of tirzepatide uh you know, a vial of tirzepatide versus you know, the brand name? versus you know, the brand name? versus you know, the brand name? >> $1,200 >> $1,200 >> $1,200 for a a brand name pen for a a brand name pen for a a brand name pen and if you get it in you know, starting and if you get it in you know, starting and if you get it in you know, starting doses for tirzepatide on compound is doses for tirzepatide on compound is doses for tirzepatide on compound is maybe $149. maybe $149. maybe $149. >> Woah, that's a massive >> Woah, that's a massive >> Woah, that's a massive >> That's about 10%. Eight to 10 x, yeah. >> That's about 10%. Eight to 10 x, yeah. >> That's about 10%. Eight to 10 x, yeah. >> That's a massive difference. And so >> That's a massive difference. And so >> That's a massive difference. And so keeping that available for people keeping that available for people keeping that available for people uh is very helpful in my opinion. But uh is very helpful in my opinion. But uh is very helpful in my opinion. But you're again you're battling you're again you're battling you're again you're battling pretty much pretty much pretty much >> We're not going to win against big >> We're not going to win against big >> We're not going to win against big pharma. pharma. pharma. >> That's only what tirzepatide only runs >> That's only what tirzepatide only runs >> That's only what tirzepatide only runs about 149 to 150 bucks? about 149 to 150 bucks? about 149 to 150 bucks? >> Yeah, starting dose on Vitabell is $149 >> Yeah, starting dose on Vitabell is $149 >> Yeah, starting dose on Vitabell is $149 for tirzepatide. for tirzepatide. for tirzepatide. >> Which is for a full month. >> Which is for a full month. >> Which is for a full month. >> By the way, which is cuz normally it's >> By the way, which is cuz normally it's >> By the way, which is cuz normally it's like four or five hundred bucks. like four or five hundred bucks. like four or five hundred bucks. >> Yes, other compound other companies that >> Yes, other compound other companies that >> Yes, other compound other companies that are offering it, you know, with FDA are offering it, you know, with FDA are offering it, you know, with FDA regulated compound firms are like two regulated compound firms are like two regulated compound firms are like two two or three times more. Am I am I two or three times more. Am I am I two or three times more. Am I am I correct? Okay, so you guys are just correct? Okay, so you guys are just correct? Okay, so you guys are just still still still the best. the best. the best. >> We're actually going to be lowering >> We're actually going to be lowering >> We're actually going to be lowering prices. prices. prices. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah, we were uh we're going to be >> Yeah, we were uh we're going to be >> Yeah, we were uh we're going to be announcing some lowering of many announcing some lowering of many announcing some lowering of many different peptides. The I promised different peptides. The I promised different peptides. The I promised everybody when I first came on the show, everybody when I first came on the show, everybody when I first came on the show, I promised everybody in the Mind Pump I promised everybody in the Mind Pump I promised everybody in the Mind Pump forum that uh as soon as I get better forum that uh as soon as I get better forum that uh as soon as I get better prices prices prices >> that you'll lower them. >> that you'll lower them. >> that you'll lower them. >> I'm going to lower them for everybody >> I'm going to lower them for everybody >> I'm going to lower them for everybody else. So, our volume has increased else. So, our volume has increased else. So, our volume has increased immensely this year. We grew pretty immensely this year. We grew pretty immensely this year. We grew pretty significantly. We just renegotiated some significantly. We just renegotiated some significantly. We just renegotiated some new prices. They're not finalized yet, new prices. 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Get 10% off. off. off. >> Like how do you get >> Like how do you get >> Like how do you get >> And and and again, we talked about this >> And and and again, we talked about this >> And and and again, we talked about this last time you were on the show, but a last time you were on the show, but a last time you were on the show, but a lot of this is because your business lot of this is because your business lot of this is because your business model is different model is different model is different >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> than these other companies. You're you >> than these other companies. You're you >> than these other companies. You're you have a mem We Vita Bella has a have a mem We Vita Bella has a have a mem We Vita Bella has a membership model membership model membership model >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> which is a basic membership >> which is a basic membership >> which is a basic membership >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> uh where you get your hormone or B12 >> uh where you get your hormone or B12 >> uh where you get your hormone or B12 depending on depending on depending on >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> the person. And then that's allowing cuz >> the person. And then that's allowing cuz >> the person. And then that's allowing cuz you have a consistent revenue. That's you have a consistent revenue. That's you have a consistent revenue. That's allowing you to charge so much less. allowing you to charge so much less. allowing you to charge so much less. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right? It's operating. Well, it it's >> Right? It's operating. Well, it it's >> Right? It's operating. Well, it it's testosterone is not that expensive, testosterone is not that expensive, testosterone is not that expensive, right? BPC-157 is not that expensive. right? BPC-157 is not that expensive. right? BPC-157 is not that expensive. It's just the markup on the industry is It's just the markup on the industry is It's just the markup on the industry is a lot. We include it in the membership a lot. We include it in the membership a lot. We include it in the membership fee. fee. fee. Um, you know, we include your doctor's Um, you know, we include your doctor's Um, you know, we include your doctor's visits in the membership fees. We visits in the membership fees. We visits in the membership fees. We include wholesale price labs in the include wholesale price labs in the include wholesale price labs in the membership fees. But yeah, it allows for membership fees. But yeah, it allows for membership fees. But yeah, it allows for me to manage the OPEX long-term, and me to manage the OPEX long-term, and me to manage the OPEX long-term, and there's a value there. Most people are there's a value there. Most people are there's a value there. Most people are paying 100 bucks a month for their paying 100 bucks a month for their paying 100 bucks a month for their testosterone and clomiphene, 120 bucks testosterone and clomiphene, 120 bucks testosterone and clomiphene, 120 bucks for enclomiphene. I think it's 189 for enclomiphene. I think it's 189 for enclomiphene. I think it's 189 at Maximus or something at those other at Maximus or something at those other at Maximus or something at those other places. places. places. >> What gave you the idea for that model? >> What gave you the idea for that model? >> What gave you the idea for that model? >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, I come from software. Software as a I come from software. Software as a I come from software. Software as a service, right? Microsoft had ELAs and service, right? Microsoft had ELAs and service, right? Microsoft had ELAs and all these things. So, I tried to make all these things. So, I tried to make all these things. So, I tried to make like health care as a service like health care as a service like health care as a service and try to figure out what's the and try to figure out what's the and try to figure out what's the umbrella to offer people consistency, umbrella to offer people consistency, umbrella to offer people consistency, and also what would people not want to and also what would people not want to and also what would people not want to come off. Like if people are on come off. Like if people are on come off. Like if people are on testosterone, they're not going to come testosterone, they're not going to come testosterone, they're not going to come off testosterone. They're going to stay off testosterone. They're going to stay off testosterone. They're going to stay on it. Right? Enclomiphene, you're going on it. Right? Enclomiphene, you're going on it. Right? Enclomiphene, you're going to want to stay on it. So, I figured to want to stay on it. So, I figured to want to stay on it. So, I figured what can we include, and what can we what can we include, and what can we what can we include, and what can we build the most amount of value for in build the most amount of value for in build the most amount of value for in the membership so that people are the membership so that people are the membership so that people are actually actually actually one, excited. Like we get people that one, excited. Like we get people that one, excited. Like we get people that complain about it. Who wants another complain about it. Who wants another complain about it. Who wants another membership, right? But the membership membership, right? But the membership membership, right? But the membership value, right, is you get 24/7 value, right, is you get 24/7 value, right, is you get 24/7 support. You get all of these things. support. You get all of these things. support. You get all of these things. >> that you guys have is really You guys do >> that you guys have is really You guys do >> that you guys have is really You guys do a phenomenal job. I mean, I send a a phenomenal job. I mean, I send a a phenomenal job. I mean, I send a message, and somebody returns, you know, message, and somebody returns, you know, message, and somebody returns, you know, uh, my message, answers my question. uh, my message, answers my question. uh, my message, answers my question. >> I would argue just the the access to the >> I would argue just the the access to the >> I would argue just the the access to the medical professional is worth that. medical professional is worth that. medical professional is worth that. That's what's interesting to me. Like I That's what's interesting to me. Like I That's what's interesting to me. Like I think that that in itself is incredibly think that that in itself is incredibly think that that in itself is incredibly valuable. valuable. valuable. >> Here's what I found out from your >> Here's what I found out from your >> Here's what I found out from your specific listeners is the one thing that specific listeners is the one thing that specific listeners is the one thing that made Vita Bella unique, and it it I made Vita Bella unique, and it it I made Vita Bella unique, and it it I didn't even think about this before the didn't even think about this before the didn't even think about this before the show, is you get to actually pick your show, is you get to actually pick your show, is you get to actually pick your provider. What company online do you get provider. What company online do you get provider. What company online do you get to pick the individual? They can go look to pick the individual? They can go look to pick the individual? They can go look through all of the profiles through all of the profiles through all of the profiles >> know that. >> know that. >> know that. >> and pick the individual that you >> and pick the individual that you >> and pick the individual that you actually want to be seen by or be actually want to be seen by or be actually want to be seen by or be treated by. treated by. treated by. >> Is that the person that they always get >> Is that the person that they always get >> Is that the person that they always get to work with then? Do they get to work with then? Do they get to work with then? Do they get >> to pick the person that you want to work >> to pick the person that you want to work >> to pick the person that you want to work with every time. You want to choose pick with every time. You want to choose pick with every time. You want to choose pick a new person, you just click down pick a a new person, you just click down pick a a new person, you just click down pick a new person that you want to see, you new person that you want to see, you new person that you want to see, you know, I don't recommend that guys, know, I don't recommend that guys, know, I don't recommend that guys, please. But please. But please. But yeah, you want to stay consistent, but yeah, you want to stay consistent, but yeah, you want to stay consistent, but if you're unhappy with your provider or if you're unhappy with your provider or if you're unhappy with your provider or you know, you want to try someone you know, you want to try someone you know, you want to try someone different that specializes in something different that specializes in something different that specializes in something else, you can pick them. And then if you else, you can pick them. And then if you else, you can pick them. And then if you want to message them, what company want to message them, what company want to message them, what company allows you to message direct to your allows you to message direct to your allows you to message direct to your physical provider? physical provider? physical provider? >> They don't. >> They don't. >> They don't. >> They don't. >> They don't. >> They don't. >> I can't message my doctor. I can't >> I can't message my doctor. I can't >> I can't message my doctor. I can't message anybody anywhere else in in the message anybody anywhere else in in the message anybody anywhere else in in the in the in the industry. So that's very in the in the industry. So that's very in the in the industry. So that's very unique. unique. unique. >> We have a really >> We have a really >> We have a really educated audience and so I think they educated audience and so I think they educated audience and so I think they really appreciate that ability to be really appreciate that ability to be really appreciate that ability to be like, I want to talk to somebody who like, I want to talk to somebody who like, I want to talk to somebody who really knows their stuff that I can ask really knows their stuff that I can ask really knows their stuff that I can ask questions and challenge. questions and challenge. questions and challenge. >> a sales person. >> a sales person. >> a sales person. >> You guys have an amazing audience. I >> You guys have an amazing audience. I >> You guys have an amazing audience. I mean, your guys come in and they're mean, your guys come in and they're mean, your guys come in and they're like, listen, here's what I got like, listen, here's what I got like, listen, here's what I got questions about. Here's I know questions about. Here's I know questions about. Here's I know everything about this, but you know, everything about this, but you know, everything about this, but you know, [laughter] let me tell you about your [laughter] let me tell you about your [laughter] let me tell you about your drugs. Let me tell you about how you're drugs. Let me tell you about how you're drugs. Let me tell you about how you're going to prescribe me. going to prescribe me. going to prescribe me. >> Sounds about right. >> Sounds about right. >> Sounds about right. >> But but they're they're really good. I >> But but they're they're really good. I >> But but they're they're really good. I mean, we we get a few Karens here and mean, we we get a few Karens here and mean, we we get a few Karens here and there, but for the most part you guys there, but for the most part you guys there, but for the most part you guys have some of the most amazing listeners. have some of the most amazing listeners. have some of the most amazing listeners. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> awesome. Appreciate that. How last time >> awesome. Appreciate that. How last time >> awesome. Appreciate that. How last time I talked to you, you guys were not I talked to you, you guys were not I talked to you, you guys were not offering service to California because offering service to California because offering service to California because of the of the of the just how difficult it can be. just how difficult it can be. just how difficult it can be. >> Do you guys now offer service to >> Do you guys now offer service to >> Do you guys now offer service to California? What was that like? Because California? What was that like? Because California? What was that like? Because I know I know I know >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> when I asked you when you were on the >> when I asked you when you were on the >> when I asked you when you were on the you're like, I don't even know if I want you're like, I don't even know if I want you're like, I don't even know if I want to do it. to do it. to do it. >> it done to your credit, man. >> it done to your credit, man. >> it done to your credit, man. >> What did you like what what what did you >> What did you like what what what did you >> What did you like what what what did you have to do have to do have to do to make it happen? to make it happen? to make it happen? >> did you have to bury? >> did you have to bury? >> did you have to bury? >> We buried three to four bodies. >> We buried three to four bodies. >> We buried three to four bodies. We had to launch an entirely separate We had to launch an entirely separate We had to launch an entirely separate company, Vita Bella Vita Bella of company, Vita Bella Vita Bella of company, Vita Bella Vita Bella of California. California. California. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um for regulations. We had to get a >> Um for regulations. We had to get a >> Um for regulations. We had to get a brand new pharmacy, brand new pharmacy, brand new pharmacy, which shafts me, by the way, cuz I don't which shafts me, by the way, cuz I don't which shafts me, by the way, cuz I don't have volume and some of these things. So have volume and some of these things. So have volume and some of these things. So we had to raise a little bit more of the we had to raise a little bit more of the we had to raise a little bit more of the membership for California, 179 for membership for California, 179 for membership for California, 179 for California. All of the peptides are California. All of the peptides are California. All of the peptides are available, testosterone, estrogen, all available, testosterone, estrogen, all available, testosterone, estrogen, all of those products are still available. of those products are still available. of those products are still available. There's a few products that aren't There's a few products that aren't There's a few products that aren't available here, Blood Pump and some available here, Blood Pump and some available here, Blood Pump and some other things, but uh it was a other things, but uh it was a other things, but uh it was a it was a [ __ ] nightmare it was a [ __ ] nightmare it was a [ __ ] nightmare >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> to do business in the state of >> to do business in the state of >> to do business in the state of California. I did not want to do California. I did not want to do California. I did not want to do business, but you know, for those business, but you know, for those business, but you know, for those listening, these guys were so adamant in listening, these guys were so adamant in listening, these guys were so adamant in me [laughter] doing business in this me [laughter] doing business in this me [laughter] doing business in this damn state. damn state. damn state. Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. >> Well, we knew we had a large listener >> Well, we knew we had a large listener >> Well, we knew we had a large listener base here in California. base here in California. base here in California. >> So, that would be a massive miss. And I >> So, that would be a massive miss. And I >> So, that would be a massive miss. And I think I think nobody is taking care of think I think nobody is taking care of think I think nobody is taking care of California really well. I think most California really well. I think most California really well. I think most people in California have to play all people in California have to play all people in California have to play all these games where they're shipping it to these games where they're shipping it to these games where they're shipping it to some other address to another address to some other address to another address to some other address to another address to get to them. And so, the fact that get to them. And so, the fact that get to them. And so, the fact that you're able to do that and do it above you're able to do that and do it above you're able to do that and do it above >> We did it legally. We made it perfect. >> We did it legally. We made it perfect. >> We did it legally. We made it perfect. We got the medical licenses, the DEAs. We got the medical licenses, the DEAs. We got the medical licenses, the DEAs. >> dude. >> dude. >> dude. >> We had to do it all. >> We had to do it all. >> We had to do it all. >> it out cuz the last the last time I had >> it out cuz the last the last time I had >> it out cuz the last the last time I had an experience with getting, you know, an experience with getting, you know, an experience with getting, you know, the the legit way here in California, the the legit way here in California, the the legit way here in California, I had to set up a mailbox I had to set up a mailbox I had to set up a mailbox in Florida. in Florida. in Florida. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It would get mailed to Florida so they >> It would get mailed to Florida so they >> It would get mailed to Florida so they could forward it here to me. Me so I could forward it here to me. Me so I could forward it here to me. Me so I need me I'm waiting 2 3 weeks need me I'm waiting 2 3 weeks need me I'm waiting 2 3 weeks for stuff to get here. And this is a for stuff to get here. And this is a for stuff to get here. And this is a company that I'm working with. company that I'm working with. company that I'm working with. Uh and that's the best that they could Uh and that's the best that they could Uh and that's the best that they could do. So, hats off to you, man. do. So, hats off to you, man. do. So, hats off to you, man. >> It was uh it was a nightmare. I mean, it >> It was uh it was a nightmare. I mean, it >> It was uh it was a nightmare. I mean, it >> you have to have like physical location >> you have to have like physical location >> you have to have like physical location in California to make that happen? Did in California to make that happen? Did in California to make that happen? Did you guys you guys you guys >> No, I didn't need that specifically. >> No, I didn't need that specifically. >> No, I didn't need that specifically. I've got all of the other We're not I've got all of the other We're not I've got all of the other We're not going to go too deep in these specifics going to go too deep in these specifics going to go too deep in these specifics here here here on the show, but we are legal in the on the show, but we are legal in the on the show, but we are legal in the state of California. We are shipping to state of California. We are shipping to state of California. We are shipping to state of California. We have pharmacies state of California. We have pharmacies state of California. We have pharmacies licensed here. I have providers, DEAs, licensed here. I have providers, DEAs, licensed here. I have providers, DEAs, medical licenses. Everything is solid in medical licenses. Everything is solid in medical licenses. Everything is solid in the state of California and we are the state of California and we are the state of California and we are servicing servicing servicing thousand customers. thousand customers. thousand customers. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Now that now that California is done >> Now that now that California is done >> Now that now that California is done like that, cuz I know there's some other like that, cuz I know there's some other like that, cuz I know there's some other states that you weren't in before states that you weren't in before states that you weren't in before either, does that make the other ones either, does that make the other ones either, does that make the other ones easier? Are they all individually as easier? Are they all individually as easier? Are they all individually as difficult? Like difficult? Like difficult? Like >> Let me let me help you guys out. So, >> Let me let me help you guys out. So, >> Let me let me help you guys out. So, Katrina was on me so hard to push really Katrina was on me so hard to push really Katrina was on me so hard to push really deep to get all these states lined up in deep to get all these states lined up in deep to get all these states lined up in the forum and everybody else. We went the forum and everybody else. We went the forum and everybody else. We went from like from like from like 30 states to 46 states 30 states to 46 states 30 states to 46 states in 2 months. in 2 months. in 2 months. >> Great job. Yeah. Great job, dude. >> Great job. Yeah. Great job, dude. >> Great job. Yeah. Great job, dude. >> Yeah. And we it was the biggest >> Yeah. And we it was the biggest >> Yeah. And we it was the biggest undertaking, the most expensive uh cost undertaking, the most expensive uh cost undertaking, the most expensive uh cost of of the company since our founding. of of the company since our founding. of of the company since our founding. California specifically ate all of the California specifically ate all of the California specifically ate all of the other states combined. other states combined. other states combined. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. It's it was difficult, but uh but >> Yeah. It's it was difficult, but uh but >> Yeah. It's it was difficult, but uh but yeah. yeah. yeah. We're there. Thank you, man. Appreciate We're there. Thank you, man. Appreciate We're there. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. it. it. >> All right. What's what's this blood >> All right. What's what's this blood >> All right. What's what's this blood pump? You brought this up a couple pump? You brought this up a couple pump? You brought this up a couple times. times. times. What is blood pump? You you guys you What is blood pump? You you guys you What is blood pump? You you guys you messaged me personally and you're like, messaged me personally and you're like, messaged me personally and you're like, "Dude, you get the craziest "Dude, you get the craziest "Dude, you get the craziest pumps when you work out." Which right pumps when you work out." Which right pumps when you work out." Which right away I'm like, "Okay. I'm listening." away I'm like, "Okay. I'm listening." away I'm like, "Okay. I'm listening." >> Adam didn't share it with you? >> Adam didn't share it with you? >> Adam didn't share it with you? >> He said it's to nafil or whatever. >> He said it's to nafil or whatever. >> He said it's to nafil or whatever. >> Did they send it to you? >> Did they send it to you? >> Did they send it to you? >> Yeah, he sent it over to me. But why >> Yeah, he sent it over to me. But why >> Yeah, he sent it over to me. But why don't you bring it over here? don't you bring it over here? don't you bring it over here? >> Cuz you if I give it to you, you'll take >> Cuz you if I give it to you, you'll take >> Cuz you if I give it to you, you'll take all of it. And I haven't used I haven't all of it. And I haven't used I haven't all of it. And I haven't used I haven't used it yet. used it yet. used it yet. >> What is what is it? Is it Is it a PDE5 >> What is what is it? Is it Is it a PDE5 >> What is what is it? Is it Is it a PDE5 inhibitor? Is it the same as Cialis? inhibitor? Is it the same as Cialis? inhibitor? Is it the same as Cialis? >> It is a dual a dual PDE5 inhibitor. It >> It is a dual a dual PDE5 inhibitor. It >> It is a dual a dual PDE5 inhibitor. It is the most amazing product for when is the most amazing product for when is the most amazing product for when you're working out. Visibly, you visibly you're working out. Visibly, you visibly you're working out. Visibly, you visibly see change. So, it's the tadalafil and see change. So, it's the tadalafil and see change. So, it's the tadalafil and vardenafil. For those of you unfamiliar vardenafil. For those of you unfamiliar vardenafil. For those of you unfamiliar with vardenafil, with vardenafil, with vardenafil, >> I don't know what that is. So, tadalafil >> I don't know what that is. So, tadalafil >> I don't know what that is. So, tadalafil Cialis? Cialis? Cialis? >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. Yeah. And I'll walk you through how this Yeah. And I'll walk you through how this Yeah. And I'll walk you through how this works. This is super cool science. works. This is super cool science. works. This is super cool science. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Vardenafil is 5 to 10 times stronger >> Vardenafil is 5 to 10 times stronger >> Vardenafil is 5 to 10 times stronger vasodilation than Viagra. vasodilation than Viagra. vasodilation than Viagra. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay? In low doses, it shouldn't >> Okay? In low doses, it shouldn't >> Okay? In low doses, it shouldn't activate the hammer unless you're a activate the hammer unless you're a activate the hammer unless you're a pervert in the gym. pervert in the gym. pervert in the gym. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Right? >> Activate the hammer. I'm just walking >> Activate the hammer. I'm just walking around with a sword. around with a sword. around with a sword. >> We can't use what you just did. >> We can't use what you just did. >> We can't use what you just did. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> My my hammer's yeah, unpredictable. But >> My my hammer's yeah, unpredictable. But >> My my hammer's yeah, unpredictable. But it So, within you take it you I call it it So, within you take it you I call it it So, within you take it you I call it the world's best and first pre-workout the world's best and first pre-workout the world's best and first pre-workout pill. You take it 30 45 minutes before pill. You take it 30 45 minutes before pill. You take it 30 45 minutes before you work out. It dilates the hell out of you work out. It dilates the hell out of you work out. It dilates the hell out of your You visibly You don't need a pump your You visibly You don't need a pump your You visibly You don't need a pump cover anymore, you know, cuz of for cover anymore, you know, cuz of for cover anymore, you know, cuz of for those of us that got the security those of us that got the security those of us that got the security problems, right? You just You got to problems, right? You just You got to problems, right? You just You got to have the pump cover for the first six or have the pump cover for the first six or have the pump cover for the first six or seven lifts. And then now you don't need seven lifts. And then now you don't need seven lifts. And then now you don't need You walk in like you've been at the gym. You walk in like you've been at the gym. You walk in like you've been at the gym. I mean, I take it to go to dinner cuz, I mean, I take it to go to dinner cuz, I mean, I take it to go to dinner cuz, you know, I have my assistant, but you know, I have my assistant, but you know, I have my assistant, but [laughter] uh [laughter] uh [laughter] uh Uh yeah, it's it literally visibly you Uh yeah, it's it literally visibly you Uh yeah, it's it literally visibly you look different. And the cool part is look different. And the cool part is look different. And the cool part is you're getting like a 3 to 400% nitric you're getting like a 3 to 400% nitric you're getting like a 3 to 400% nitric oxide push inside of your muscles. oxide push inside of your muscles. oxide push inside of your muscles. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> It's healthy for you. 38% >> It's healthy for you. 38% >> It's healthy for you. 38% reduction in cardiac event, heart reduction in cardiac event, heart reduction in cardiac event, heart attack, and stroke. attack, and stroke. attack, and stroke. >> They're They're now recommending PDE5 >> They're They're now recommending PDE5 >> They're They're now recommending PDE5 Listen, they're recommending cuz it Listen, they're recommending cuz it Listen, they're recommending cuz it reduced stroke, reduced uh heart attack. reduced stroke, reduced uh heart attack. reduced stroke, reduced uh heart attack. There uh there seems to be a reduction There uh there seems to be a reduction There uh there seems to be a reduction in um in um in um uh in degeneration of the brain. They're uh in degeneration of the brain. They're uh in degeneration of the brain. They're recommending now men take low-dose PDE5 recommending now men take low-dose PDE5 recommending now men take low-dose PDE5 inhibitors all the time. inhibitors all the time. inhibitors all the time. >> Yeah. Which is wild. This is turning out >> Yeah. Which is wild. This is turning out >> Yeah. Which is wild. This is turning out to be like this miracle to be like this miracle to be like this miracle >> So, Katrice I I have it at home and >> So, Katrice I I have it at home and >> So, Katrice I I have it at home and Katrice is like, "Hey, Phil wants you to Katrice is like, "Hey, Phil wants you to Katrice is like, "Hey, Phil wants you to try this." I'm like, "Man, I tell Phil try this." I'm like, "Man, I tell Phil try this." I'm like, "Man, I tell Phil I've only worked out twice in the last I've only worked out twice in the last I've only worked out twice in the last month." I said, "So, month." I said, "So, month." I said, "So, I said that's not very good." I said I I said that's not very good." I said I I said that's not very good." I said I looked at the bottle and I looked at it looked at the bottle and I looked at it looked at the bottle and I looked at it and go, "Oh, well, this is something we and go, "Oh, well, this is something we and go, "Oh, well, this is something we could use outside of working out." could use outside of working out." could use outside of working out." >> Yeah, [laughter] right. >> Yeah, [laughter] right. >> Yeah, [laughter] right. >> So, I tried it out. >> So, I tried it out. >> So, I tried it out. >> So, I wanted to know what dose I needed >> So, I wanted to know what dose I needed >> So, I wanted to know what dose I needed for that since that's more interesting for that since that's more interesting for that since that's more interesting to me. to me. to me. >> ever tried it like that? >> ever tried it like that? >> ever tried it like that? >> No, I haven't. Well, I just I just >> No, I haven't. Well, I just I just >> No, I haven't. Well, I just I just literally like the last night or night literally like the last night or night literally like the last night or night before cuz she brought it up cuz of good before cuz she brought it up cuz of good before cuz she brought it up cuz of good Phil's coming out and he's like, "He Phil's coming out and he's like, "He Phil's coming out and he's like, "He wants to know how that is." I said, wants to know how that is." I said, wants to know how that is." I said, "Honey, I've worked out twice in the "Honey, I've worked out twice in the "Honey, I've worked out twice in the last month." So, I grab it and I'm like, last month." So, I grab it and I'm like, last month." So, I grab it and I'm like, "Well, let me read it and I'll figure "Well, let me read it and I'll figure "Well, let me read it and I'll figure out what it is, right?" So, I look at it out what it is, right?" So, I look at it out what it is, right?" So, I look at it and I'm like, "Oh, this is boner pills." and I'm like, "Oh, this is boner pills." and I'm like, "Oh, this is boner pills." I'm like, "This is Why is he asking me I'm like, "This is Why is he asking me I'm like, "This is Why is he asking me why I need I need to take this for why I need I need to take this for why I need I need to take this for working out?" working out?" working out?" >> Well, increase blood flow. >> Well, increase blood flow. >> Well, increase blood flow. >> know what the the v- vanafa dill or >> know what the the v- vanafa dill or >> know what the the v- vanafa dill or whatever what the other the other whatever what the other the other whatever what the other the other compound compound compound >> So, why do you have them together? It's >> So, why do you have them together? It's >> So, why do you have them together? It's very important for anybody that are very important for anybody that are very important for anybody that are going to try these drugs on their own. going to try these drugs on their own. going to try these drugs on their own. It's excessively important. Is It's excessively important. Is It's excessively important. Is vardenafil is such a strong vasodilator vardenafil is such a strong vasodilator vardenafil is such a strong vasodilator and it's fast, right? So, you 4 hours and it's fast, right? So, you 4 hours and it's fast, right? So, you 4 hours later, your blood supply is going to later, your blood supply is going to later, your blood supply is going to restrict. So, that's where the tadalafil restrict. So, that's where the tadalafil restrict. So, that's where the tadalafil comes in. The Cialis portion of it is comes in. The Cialis portion of it is comes in. The Cialis portion of it is that way it's slowly cuz that's a that way it's slowly cuz that's a that way it's slowly cuz that's a 24-hour, 36-hour. So, it will slow it 24-hour, 36-hour. So, it will slow it 24-hour, 36-hour. So, it will slow it down so you don't just get this massive down so you don't just get this massive down so you don't just get this massive blood pressure increase in your body. It blood pressure increase in your body. It blood pressure increase in your body. It is very important that the is very important that the is very important that the By the way, they're mixed together with By the way, they're mixed together with By the way, they're mixed together with Vitabella, but if if anybody's ever Vitabella, but if if anybody's ever Vitabella, but if if anybody's ever thinking about taking Vardenafil on thinking about taking Vardenafil on thinking about taking Vardenafil on their own, you know, in these doses on a their own, you know, in these doses on a their own, you know, in these doses on a daily basis, we probably recommend daily basis, we probably recommend daily basis, we probably recommend including some sort of low-dose Cialis including some sort of low-dose Cialis including some sort of low-dose Cialis with that as well, just so you have a with that as well, just so you have a with that as well, just so you have a slower contraction. slower contraction. slower contraction. >> So, does my dosing change if I want the >> So, does my dosing change if I want the >> So, does my dosing change if I want the Cialis effect more than I care about the Cialis effect more than I care about the Cialis effect more than I care about the workout pump from it, or should I not workout pump from it, or should I not workout pump from it, or should I not >> We'll just give you 100 mg Viagra. I >> We'll just give you 100 mg Viagra. I >> We'll just give you 100 mg Viagra. I mean, that's just really gets you mean, that's just really gets you mean, that's just really gets you >> That's what I thought you were giving me >> That's what I thought you were giving me >> That's what I thought you were giving me when I first looked at it, cuz I know I when I first looked at it, cuz I know I when I first looked at it, cuz I know I know what the Tadalafil or whatever is, know what the Tadalafil or whatever is, know what the Tadalafil or whatever is, like like like >> Tell Katrina clear the weekend calendar. >> Tell Katrina clear the weekend calendar. >> Tell Katrina clear the weekend calendar. I mean, that's it, [laughter] dude. I mean, that's it, [laughter] dude. I mean, that's it, [laughter] dude. >> I mean, that was the first thing that >> I mean, that was the first thing that >> I mean, that was the first thing that came to my mind when I looked at it. I came to my mind when I looked at it. I came to my mind when I looked at it. I said, I know cuz I've had the the troche said, I know cuz I've had the the troche said, I know cuz I've had the the troche version of the Tadalafil before, and I version of the Tadalafil before, and I version of the Tadalafil before, and I know those work. Yeah. And I know I keep know those work. Yeah. And I know I keep know those work. Yeah. And I know I keep saying it saying it saying it >> What's interesting about PDE5 inhibitors >> What's interesting about PDE5 inhibitors >> What's interesting about PDE5 inhibitors is they have lots of health benefits, is they have lots of health benefits, is they have lots of health benefits, longevity benefits. Uh longevity benefits. Uh longevity benefits. Uh they improve athletic performance, they improve athletic performance, they improve athletic performance, especially at altitude. This is where especially at altitude. This is where especially at altitude. This is where you might need it if you're if you're you might need it if you're if you're you might need it if you're if you're training at altitude, but even high training at altitude, but even high training at altitude, but even high endurance, you know, sports. endurance, you know, sports. endurance, you know, sports. Bodybuilders use it cuz they like the Bodybuilders use it cuz they like the Bodybuilders use it cuz they like the pump. pump. pump. It's an It's got mild aromatase It's an It's got mild aromatase It's an It's got mild aromatase inhibiting activity, so seems to raise inhibiting activity, so seems to raise inhibiting activity, so seems to raise testosterone in some men. It's testosterone in some men. It's testosterone in some men. It's interesting. I've been reading the interesting. I've been reading the interesting. I've been reading the longevity studies on this stuff, and I'm longevity studies on this stuff, and I'm longevity studies on this stuff, and I'm like, you know what? We're like, you know what? We're like, you know what? We're We're years We're like a We're like 5 We're years We're like a We're like 5 We're years We're like a We're like 5 years away from them to saying, "You years away from them to saying, "You years away from them to saying, "You guys should take Good for prostate guys should take Good for prostate guys should take Good for prostate enlargement." They're recommending it, enlargement." They're recommending it, enlargement." They're recommending it, so it's wild. so it's wild. so it's wild. >> It's very interesting. >> It's very interesting. >> It's very interesting. >> It's It's It's been fantastic, and it it >> It's It's It's been fantastic, and it it >> It's It's It's been fantastic, and it it What makes you look good and is actually What makes you look good and is actually What makes you look good and is actually healthy for you at the same time outside healthy for you at the same time outside healthy for you at the same time outside of exercise and some other things we of exercise and some other things we of exercise and some other things we don't want to do. This is an easy one. don't want to do. This is an easy one. don't want to do. This is an easy one. >> Do you Do you ever have for people who >> Do you Do you ever have for people who >> Do you Do you ever have for people who do want to use something like that, or do want to use something like that, or do want to use something like that, or just Tadalafil for for sexual just Tadalafil for for sexual just Tadalafil for for sexual performance? Do you recommend they use performance? Do you recommend they use performance? Do you recommend they use like oxytocin troches, PT-141? Do you like oxytocin troches, PT-141? Do you like oxytocin troches, PT-141? Do you recommend any of that stuff as recommend any of that stuff as recommend any of that stuff as >> We have all of them, right? We've got >> We have all of them, right? We've got >> We have all of them, right? We've got Tadalafil, Sildenafil, you've got Tadalafil, Sildenafil, you've got Tadalafil, Sildenafil, you've got PT-141, you've got oxytocin, you've got PT-141, you've got oxytocin, you've got PT-141, you've got oxytocin, you've got troches. They got all three of them troches. They got all three of them troches. They got all three of them inside of them together. inside of them together. inside of them together. I mean, we've got all sorts of different I mean, we've got all sorts of different I mean, we've got all sorts of different When it comes to the sexual arousal, When it comes to the sexual arousal, When it comes to the sexual arousal, sexual environment, I mean, that's it sexual environment, I mean, that's it sexual environment, I mean, that's it The world is your oyster. The world is your oyster. The world is your oyster. >> Speaking of stacks, tell me about the >> Speaking of stacks, tell me about the >> Speaking of stacks, tell me about the Cloe peptide stack. Cuz that's very Cloe peptide stack. Cuz that's very Cloe peptide stack. Cuz that's very interesting to me. What you guys stacked interesting to me. What you guys stacked interesting to me. What you guys stacked in there was just in there was just in there was just BPC 157 BPC 157 BPC 157 TB 500 TB 500 TB 500 GHK-Cu and KPV. So let's talk That's GHK-Cu and KPV. So let's talk That's GHK-Cu and KPV. So let's talk That's like remarkable recovery and like skin like remarkable recovery and like skin like remarkable recovery and like skin health stack I would say. health stack I would say. health stack I would say. >> Yeah, it's it's everything all in one >> Yeah, it's it's everything all in one >> Yeah, it's it's everything all in one from recovery, hair, inflammation, all from recovery, hair, inflammation, all from recovery, hair, inflammation, all of it. Um and it includes Here's the of it. Um and it includes Here's the of it. Um and it includes Here's the cool part is for those of you that want cool part is for those of you that want cool part is for those of you that want to be on any of these products to be on any of these products to be on any of these products you get all of them at the standard dose you get all of them at the standard dose you get all of them at the standard dose in the same vial for the same price. in the same vial for the same price. in the same vial for the same price. Four bottles at call it $249 a piece or Four bottles at call it $249 a piece or Four bottles at call it $249 a piece or you get one at $249 with the exact same you get one at $249 with the exact same you get one at $249 with the exact same ingredients that are in four. ingredients that are in four. ingredients that are in four. >> Oh, that's cool. >> Oh, that's cool. >> Oh, that's cool. >> That's a massive savings. >> That's a massive savings. >> That's a massive savings. >> And only one injection instead of having >> And only one injection instead of having >> And only one injection instead of having to to to >> injection. Yeah, but you got BPC and TB >> injection. Yeah, but you got BPC and TB >> injection. Yeah, but you got BPC and TB 500 for recovery. You've got GHK-Cu 500 for recovery. You've got GHK-Cu 500 for recovery. You've got GHK-Cu which is like the most Googled product which is like the most Googled product which is like the most Googled product of the year. of the year. of the year. Um which is great for skin rejuvenation, Um which is great for skin rejuvenation, Um which is great for skin rejuvenation, anti-aging, and everything there. And anti-aging, and everything there. And anti-aging, and everything there. And then KPV which is great for then KPV which is great for then KPV which is great for inflammation. I mean if you're thinking inflammation. I mean if you're thinking inflammation. I mean if you're thinking about the glow which everybody knows about the glow which everybody knows about the glow which everybody knows about the glow stack just upgrade the about the glow stack just upgrade the about the glow stack just upgrade the Cloe. Absolutely fascinating. Cloe. Absolutely fascinating. Cloe. Absolutely fascinating. >> Yeah, so um >> Yeah, so um >> Yeah, so um >> So what is the the the difference >> So what is the the the difference >> So what is the the the difference between the glow and the Cloe? So between the glow and the Cloe? So between the glow and the Cloe? So >> Just add KPV, right? >> Just add KPV, right? >> Just add KPV, right? >> Okay, that's basically the difference. >> Okay, that's basically the difference. >> Okay, that's basically the difference. Cuz I have you you have heard other Cuz I have you you have heard other Cuz I have you you have heard other people talk I've heard other people talk people talk I've heard other people talk people talk I've heard other people talk about the about the about the >> So my wife has had experience uh with >> So my wife has had experience uh with >> So my wife has had experience uh with the stack um and the stack um and the stack um and great reduction in pain. Cuz sometimes great reduction in pain. Cuz sometimes great reduction in pain. Cuz sometimes she gets chronic pain. She'll have some she gets chronic pain. She'll have some she gets chronic pain. She'll have some issues. Huge reduction in pain uh after issues. Huge reduction in pain uh after issues. Huge reduction in pain uh after about 2 weeks um and then skin. about 2 weeks um and then skin. about 2 weeks um and then skin. She notices uh improvement. She notices uh improvement. She notices uh improvement. >> up. >> up. >> up. >> Yeah, which is pretty awesome. I uh and >> Yeah, which is pretty awesome. I uh and >> Yeah, which is pretty awesome. I uh and this is rare for me cuz I've used this is rare for me cuz I've used this is rare for me cuz I've used everything. everything. everything. But you guys uh introduced me to a new But you guys uh introduced me to a new But you guys uh introduced me to a new peptide that I've never used which is peptide that I've never used which is peptide that I've never used which is 5-amino-1 5-amino-1 5-amino-1 MQ. Comes in capsule form. MQ. Comes in capsule form. MQ. Comes in capsule form. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Amazing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like I I I feel >> Like I I I feel >> Like I I I feel >> that? >> that? >> that? >> So it >> So it >> So it >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> It increases uh NAD uh in the in the >> It increases uh NAD uh in the in the >> It increases uh NAD uh in the in the cell. So it reduces So you're saying cell. So it reduces So you're saying cell. So it reduces So you're saying it's a precursor to NAD? it's a precursor to NAD? it's a precursor to NAD? >> No, it's it blocks one of the the >> No, it's it blocks one of the the >> No, it's it blocks one of the the enzymes that breaks down NAD. enzymes that breaks down NAD. enzymes that breaks down NAD. Um and uh it's in capsule form, which is Um and uh it's in capsule form, which is Um and uh it's in capsule form, which is cool, so it's not injectable. And I cool, so it's not injectable. And I cool, so it's not injectable. And I noticed energy from that, like big time. noticed energy from that, like big time. noticed energy from that, like big time. I take 50 or 100 mg in the morning. I take 50 or 100 mg in the morning. I take 50 or 100 mg in the morning. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it's like I feel great all day long. >> And it's like I feel great all day long. >> And it's like I feel great all day long. I never had used anything like that I never had used anything like that I never had used anything like that before. Do you have experience with it? before. Do you have experience with it? before. Do you have experience with it? >> Yeah, I take it I take it all the time. >> Yeah, I take it I take it all the time. >> Yeah, I take it I take it all the time. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um I take 5-amino-1MQ. >> Um I take 5-amino-1MQ. >> Um I take 5-amino-1MQ. You've got four main ones, right? For You've got four main ones, right? For You've got four main ones, right? For mitochondria repair, you got NAD+ SS-31, mitochondria repair, you got NAD+ SS-31, mitochondria repair, you got NAD+ SS-31, 5-amino-1MQ, and Matri. 5-amino-1MQ, and Matri. 5-amino-1MQ, and Matri. I call them the you know, the four I call them the you know, the four I call them the you know, the four horsemen. horsemen. horsemen. >> Would you take NAD and the 5-amino >> Would you take NAD and the 5-amino >> Would you take NAD and the 5-amino together? You would take both? together? You would take both? together? You would take both? >> I would. >> I would. >> I would. >> Oh, okay. You would. I haven't done both >> Oh, okay. You would. I haven't done both >> Oh, okay. You would. I haven't done both together. together. together. >> I personally take both. >> I personally take both. >> I personally take both. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, I take both. And then if I'm going >> Yeah, I take both. And then if I'm going >> Yeah, I take both. And then if I'm going to go to Matri, to go to Matri, to go to Matri, I always take SS-31 before jumping on I always take SS-31 before jumping on I always take SS-31 before jumping on Matri. Matri. Matri. >> Would you like a month of one and then a >> Would you like a month of one and then a >> Would you like a month of one and then a month of the other one? month of the other one? month of the other one? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> My experience with NAD is interesting. >> My experience with NAD is interesting. >> My experience with NAD is interesting. Like Like Like when we're normal, healthy, training, when we're normal, healthy, training, when we're normal, healthy, training, diet, everything, I don't feel that much diet, everything, I don't feel that much diet, everything, I don't feel that much of it. If I'm off, got sick, recovering, of it. If I'm off, got sick, recovering, of it. If I'm off, got sick, recovering, holy [ __ ] I notice the difference. holy [ __ ] I notice the difference. holy [ __ ] I notice the difference. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And so I normally tell cuz I've heard >> And so I normally tell cuz I've heard >> And so I normally tell cuz I've heard that from people too. They're like, "Oh, that from people too. They're like, "Oh, that from people too. They're like, "Oh, I tried NAD. I didn't feel anything from I tried NAD. I didn't feel anything from I tried NAD. I didn't feel anything from it." It's like, "Oh, you know what? Try it." It's like, "Oh, you know what? Try it." It's like, "Oh, you know what? Try taking it when you're coming off of taking it when you're coming off of taking it when you're coming off of being sick or you're down and out. being sick or you're down and out. being sick or you're down and out. That's when I feel a huge difference That's when I feel a huge difference That's when I feel a huge difference from it." from it." from it." >> I could knock out, >> I could knock out, >> I could knock out, put you down on the floor, passed out put you down on the floor, passed out put you down on the floor, passed out with a high dose NAD. with a high dose NAD. with a high dose NAD. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If I took an IM and I just gave you an >> If I took an IM and I just gave you an >> If I took an IM and I just gave you an IM, you will feel you will immediately IM, you will feel you will immediately IM, you will feel you will immediately feel like, "I didn't feel anything." feel like, "I didn't feel anything." feel like, "I didn't feel anything." Go up another 25 mg. Go up another 25 mg. Go up another 25 mg. See where you're at. Yeah. I mean, NAD See where you're at. Yeah. I mean, NAD See where you're at. Yeah. I mean, NAD is is probably the only drug uh class is is probably the only drug uh class is is probably the only drug uh class that we have where you can immediately that we have where you can immediately that we have where you can immediately feel something in your chest 15, 20 feel something in your chest 15, 20 feel something in your chest 15, 20 seconds later. seconds later. seconds later. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the 5-amino-1MQ, I >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the 5-amino-1MQ, I >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the 5-amino-1MQ, I feel great. feel great. feel great. >> It's a 5-amino-1MQ is a great product. I >> It's a 5-amino-1MQ is a great product. I >> It's a 5-amino-1MQ is a great product. I mean, it's probably it's very mean, it's probably it's very mean, it's probably it's very understated and I think it's very under understated and I think it's very under understated and I think it's very under talked about. talked about. talked about. >> It's marketed as a fat loss uh peptide. >> It's marketed as a fat loss uh peptide. >> It's marketed as a fat loss uh peptide. So people will use it for I didn't I So people will use it for I didn't I So people will use it for I didn't I didn't get it for that. Um but that's didn't get it for that. Um but that's didn't get it for that. Um but that's that's also marketed as something like that's also marketed as something like that's also marketed as something like that. Is that a popular one? Do you guys that. Is that a popular one? Do you guys that. Is that a popular one? Do you guys use a do a lot of people request that? use a do a lot of people request that? use a do a lot of people request that? >> It's getting a lot more popular, right? >> It's getting a lot more popular, right? >> It's getting a lot more popular, right? It's all comes down to social media. It's all comes down to social media. It's all comes down to social media. What everybody want to use for What everybody want to use for What everybody want to use for clickbait. clickbait. clickbait. >> Now it's going to get popular cuz we're >> Now it's going to get popular cuz we're >> Now it's going to get popular cuz we're talking about it. talking about it. talking about it. >> Say watch now. >> Say watch now. >> Say watch now. >> Beef it up there. And it's a pill, so >> Beef it up there. And it's a pill, so >> Beef it up there. And it's a pill, so it's a lot more popular becoming, right? it's a lot more popular becoming, right? it's a lot more popular becoming, right? There's a lot of people that don't want There's a lot of people that don't want There's a lot of people that don't want to do injections, and so it becomes more to do injections, and so it becomes more to do injections, and so it becomes more popular of an option for those. popular of an option for those. popular of an option for those. >> Uh you guys also will work with >> Uh you guys also will work with >> Uh you guys also will work with Metformin Metformin Metformin >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> for some people. >> for some people. >> for some people. >> Metformin's the single number one >> Metformin's the single number one >> Metformin's the single number one anti-aging drug in the world, and I anti-aging drug in the world, and I anti-aging drug in the world, and I think it's the number two prescribed think it's the number two prescribed think it's the number two prescribed drug in the United States. drug in the United States. drug in the United States. >> Okay. So explain Metformin a little bit. >> Okay. So explain Metformin a little bit. >> Okay. So explain Metformin a little bit. >> Yeah, Metformin >> Yeah, Metformin >> Yeah, Metformin uh helps with gluco insulin, right? uh helps with gluco insulin, right? uh helps with gluco insulin, right? Resistance and glucose, and it's Resistance and glucose, and it's Resistance and glucose, and it's typically used for those diabetes. typically used for those diabetes. typically used for those diabetes. >> Yeah, but a low dose for average person. >> Yeah, but a low dose for average person. >> Yeah, but a low dose for average person. >> for an average person. Um >> for an average person. Um >> for an average person. Um I'll give you crazy interesting study is I'll give you crazy interesting study is I'll give you crazy interesting study is Northwestern Mutual, big insurance Northwestern Mutual, big insurance Northwestern Mutual, big insurance company. company. company. Like they kind of go They don't care Like they kind of go They don't care Like they kind of go They don't care about what the labs say or anything about what the labs say or anything about what the labs say or anything else. They're going to look at what else. They're going to look at what else. They're going to look at what prescriptions you're on and what the prescriptions you're on and what the prescriptions you're on and what the life span is. life span is. life span is. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And those who are on Metformin would >> And those who are on Metformin would >> And those who are on Metformin would live like don't quote me on this, like 3 live like don't quote me on this, like 3 live like don't quote me on this, like 3 to 5 years longer than those who didn't. to 5 years longer than those who didn't. to 5 years longer than those who didn't. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Who weren't on Metformin. >> Who weren't on Metformin. >> Who weren't on Metformin. >> Cuz of the insulin sensitivity effects. >> Cuz of the insulin sensitivity effects. >> Cuz of the insulin sensitivity effects. >> listen, sugar's the killer. >> listen, sugar's the killer. >> listen, sugar's the killer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Sugar's what kills us. It's what ages >> Sugar's what kills us. It's what ages >> Sugar's what kills us. It's what ages us. It's what kills us. And And if you us. It's what kills us. And And if you us. It's what kills us. And And if you can manage if you can manage sugar and can manage if you can manage sugar and can manage if you can manage sugar and take glucose insulin, you you typically take glucose insulin, you you typically take glucose insulin, you you typically are going to live a lot better life. are going to live a lot better life. are going to live a lot better life. >> So that's part of the longevity stack. >> So that's part of the longevity stack. >> So that's part of the longevity stack. What else is in the longevity stack? So What else is in the longevity stack? So What else is in the longevity stack? So they have a they have a they have a >> NAD, Mod C, uh >> NAD, Mod C, uh >> NAD, Mod C, uh >> Um glutathione. >> Um glutathione. >> Um glutathione. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Let's talk about glutathione a little >> Let's talk about glutathione a little >> Let's talk about glutathione a little bit um cuz uh glutathione master bit um cuz uh glutathione master bit um cuz uh glutathione master antioxidant. antioxidant. antioxidant. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Glutathione for me shines in a couple >> Glutathione for me shines in a couple >> Glutathione for me shines in a couple different places. Uh one, I'm starting different places. Uh one, I'm starting different places. Uh one, I'm starting to get sick, glutathione makes a big to get sick, glutathione makes a big to get sick, glutathione makes a big difference. Two, I'm not recommending difference. Two, I'm not recommending difference. Two, I'm not recommending this, this, this, but if I'm going to go out and I'm going but if I'm going to go out and I'm going but if I'm going to go out and I'm going to drink some alcohol, to drink some alcohol, to drink some alcohol, uh glutathione is miraculous. uh glutathione is miraculous. uh glutathione is miraculous. >> of all detox. >> of all detox. >> of all detox. >> It is miraculous >> It is miraculous >> It is miraculous >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> at what because it it it's I mean the >> at what because it it it's I mean the >> at what because it it it's I mean the it's an antioxidant that gets it gets it's an antioxidant that gets it gets it's an antioxidant that gets it gets depleted in the liver. depleted in the liver. depleted in the liver. >> I mean I'd say that's another one that >> I mean I'd say that's another one that >> I mean I'd say that's another one that falls in that category. When I again NAD falls in that category. When I again NAD falls in that category. When I again NAD and glutathione when you're feeling good and glutathione when you're feeling good and glutathione when you're feeling good or normal, I feel like I can't really or normal, I feel like I can't really or normal, I feel like I can't really notice it. I coming off of a hangover, notice it. I coming off of a hangover, notice it. I coming off of a hangover, sick, not feel good, boy those two sick, not feel good, boy those two sick, not feel good, boy those two things NAD and glutathione, you feel a things NAD and glutathione, you feel a things NAD and glutathione, you feel a difference in that for sure. difference in that for sure. difference in that for sure. >> feel good and glutathione can feel a >> feel good and glutathione can feel a >> feel good and glutathione can feel a little bit like you inject it. It can little bit like you inject it. It can little bit like you inject it. It can burn a little bit. It hurts a little burn a little bit. It hurts a little burn a little bit. It hurts a little bit. bit. bit. >> I only do it in the glute. You guys that >> I only do it in the glute. You guys that >> I only do it in the glute. You guys that do shoulders and thighs are the true do shoulders and thighs are the true do shoulders and thighs are the true champions. I'm not. I'm I'm like I'll champions. I'm not. I'm I'm like I'll champions. I'm not. I'm I'm like I'll just do the glute. just do the glute. just do the glute. I'm not I'm not putting it in the thigh. I'm not I'm not putting it in the thigh. I'm not I'm not putting it in the thigh. Anybody who injects in their thigh to me Anybody who injects in their thigh to me Anybody who injects in their thigh to me that they deserve a trophy and award that they deserve a trophy and award that they deserve a trophy and award behind them. Like I'm the guy I'm the behind them. Like I'm the guy I'm the behind them. Like I'm the guy I'm the guy that injects the thigh. guy that injects the thigh. guy that injects the thigh. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's lit. What is what's the most That's lit. What is what's the most That's lit. What is what's the most popular is this is it BPC now? Is that popular is this is it BPC now? Is that popular is this is it BPC now? Is that one still the most popular? one still the most popular? one still the most popular? >> BPC is real popular. Um >> BPC is real popular. Um >> BPC is real popular. Um MOTS-c has become a lot more popular um MOTS-c has become a lot more popular um MOTS-c has become a lot more popular um just because of the social media side just because of the social media side just because of the social media side but glutathione staples, NAD+ staples, but glutathione staples, NAD+ staples, but glutathione staples, NAD+ staples, the single most popular and absolute the single most popular and absolute the single most popular and absolute number one ordered drug in the entire number one ordered drug in the entire number one ordered drug in the entire company is tesamorelin. company is tesamorelin. company is tesamorelin. >> Really? >> Really? >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's a well it's because it's got >> It's a well it's because it's got >> It's a well it's because it's got aesthetic effects. aesthetic effects. aesthetic effects. >> Yeah. I mean >> Yeah. I mean >> Yeah. I mean >> People see the shrink >> People see the shrink >> People see the shrink >> Shrink the waistline. It eats, you know, >> Shrink the waistline. It eats, you know, >> Shrink the waistline. It eats, you know, visceral fat. It also is a growth visceral fat. It also is a growth visceral fat. It also is a growth hormone releasing hormone and so you're hormone releasing hormone and so you're hormone releasing hormone and so you're getting a two-for-one. getting a two-for-one. getting a two-for-one. So it's it's I didn't By the way, I So it's it's I didn't By the way, I So it's it's I didn't By the way, I didn't know about this didn't know about this didn't know about this probably until like last week and I came probably until like last week and I came probably until like last week and I came on the show and then we were we were on the show and then we were we were on the show and then we were we were coming here and I'm like, "What is our coming here and I'm like, "What is our coming here and I'm like, "What is our top product?" And blew my mind. I was top product?" And blew my mind. I was top product?" And blew my mind. I was like like like >> Are you are you able to prescribe HGH? >> Are you are you able to prescribe HGH? >> Are you are you able to prescribe HGH? >> Uh we are. >> Uh we are. >> Uh we are. For injury and recovery specifically. So For injury and recovery specifically. So For injury and recovery specifically. So I I built the company originally on I I built the company originally on I I built the company originally on injury and recovery, right? When I had injury and recovery, right? When I had injury and recovery, right? When I had double spinal fusions. So that was part double spinal fusions. So that was part double spinal fusions. So that was part of the protocol. So if you have a vi- of the protocol. So if you have a vi- of the protocol. So if you have a vi- HGH isn't even a controlled substance. HGH isn't even a controlled substance. HGH isn't even a controlled substance. You don't even need a DEA to prescribe You don't even need a DEA to prescribe You don't even need a DEA to prescribe it. It's crazy. It's not. it. It's crazy. It's not. it. It's crazy. It's not. People don't know that. People don't know that. People don't know that. >> Why can't I go buy it at the store? >> Why can't I go buy it at the store? >> Why can't I go buy it at the store? >> So you need a prescription but not a >> So you need a prescription but not a >> So you need a prescription but not a DEA. So testosterone you need a DEA. DEA. So testosterone you need a DEA. DEA. So testosterone you need a DEA. HGH you don't need a DEA. HGH you don't need a DEA. HGH you don't need a DEA. >> It's not on the list of control >> It's not on the list of control >> It's not on the list of control >> It's not a controlled substance. >> It's not a controlled substance. >> It's not a controlled substance. >> I had no idea. >> I had no idea. >> I had no idea. >> Yeah, it's not. >> Yeah, it's not. >> Yeah, it's not. >> I thought it was. >> I thought it was. >> I thought it was. >> No one has any clue about it. By the >> No one has any clue about it. By the >> No one has any clue about it. By the way, like the biggest stigma of all way, like the biggest stigma of all way, like the biggest stigma of all medication for bodybuilders is not a medication for bodybuilders is not a medication for bodybuilders is not a controlled substance. controlled substance. controlled substance. >> That's wild. >> That's wild. >> That's wild. >> You can't prescribe it for anti-aging, >> You can't prescribe it for anti-aging, >> You can't prescribe it for anti-aging, even though it's great for anti-aging, even though it's great for anti-aging, even though it's great for anti-aging, but you can't prescribe it for that. So but you can't prescribe it for that. So but you can't prescribe it for that. So you actually need a clinical need and you actually need a clinical need and you actually need a clinical need and it's determined by the provider. Same it's determined by the provider. Same it's determined by the provider. Same thing with oxandrolone, right? Everybody thing with oxandrolone, right? Everybody thing with oxandrolone, right? Everybody wants to be on Anavar. They you know, wants to be on Anavar. They you know, wants to be on Anavar. They you know, but you actually need a need and if you but you actually need a need and if you but you actually need a need and if you have a if you have the right need and have a if you have the right need and have a if you have the right need and provider. provider. provider. >> You have the right need and provider cuz >> You have the right need and provider cuz >> You have the right need and provider cuz I was going to say it's it's it's hard I was going to say it's it's it's hard I was going to say it's it's it's hard for me to justify Tesamorelin if I were for me to justify Tesamorelin if I were for me to justify Tesamorelin if I were to have access to HGH. I feel like HGH to have access to HGH. I feel like HGH to have access to HGH. I feel like HGH is the king when it comes to that. is the king when it comes to that. is the king when it comes to that. >> Well, not everybody's got your budget. >> Well, not everybody's got your budget. >> Well, not everybody's got your budget. So [laughter] So [laughter] So [laughter] >> more expensive. >> more expensive. >> more expensive. >> Is it a lot more expensive? HGH? >> Is it a lot more expensive? HGH? >> Is it a lot more expensive? HGH? Oh, the HGH is more way more expensive Oh, the HGH is more way more expensive Oh, the HGH is more way more expensive cuz I thought Tesamorelin can get kind cuz I thought Tesamorelin can get kind cuz I thought Tesamorelin can get kind of expensive too. of expensive too. of expensive too. >> Tesamorelin is a brand name drug of >> Tesamorelin is a brand name drug of >> Tesamorelin is a brand name drug of choice if you go to like CVS or choice if you go to like CVS or choice if you go to like CVS or something, um something, um something, um it's probably like 10 grand. it's probably like 10 grand. it's probably like 10 grand. You know, it's You know, it's You know, it's two, three hundred bucks at Vita Bella. two, three hundred bucks at Vita Bella. two, three hundred bucks at Vita Bella. If you look at HGH, If you look at HGH, If you look at HGH, you know, you know, you know, depending on how many kits you're depending on how many kits you're depending on how many kits you're looking at, could be anywhere between looking at, could be anywhere between looking at, could be anywhere between eight to 20 grand at CVS and but they're eight to 20 grand at CVS and but they're eight to 20 grand at CVS and but they're like 500 I think I don't quote me. I like 500 I think I don't quote me. I like 500 I think I don't quote me. I don't know what price list right now, don't know what price list right now, don't know what price list right now, but I think it's but I think it's but I think it's >> Thousands of dollars. >> Thousands of dollars. >> Thousands of dollars. >> Yeah, it's probably if you do like four >> Yeah, it's probably if you do like four >> Yeah, it's probably if you do like four vials a month for like a good recovery, vials a month for like a good recovery, vials a month for like a good recovery, it's probably two grand. it's probably two grand. it's probably two grand. >> Okay. Yeah, I thought I thought they >> Okay. Yeah, I thought I thought they >> Okay. Yeah, I thought I thought they were close I thought they were much were close I thought they were much were close I thought they were much closer cuz I know your prices on closer cuz I know your prices on closer cuz I know your prices on Tesamorelin are a lot cheaper than Tesamorelin are a lot cheaper than Tesamorelin are a lot cheaper than >> Yeah, my price on Tesamorelin is way >> Yeah, my price on Tesamorelin is way >> Yeah, my price on Tesamorelin is way >> Transcend's Tesamorelin was >> Transcend's Tesamorelin was >> Transcend's Tesamorelin was >> way expensive. >> way expensive. >> way expensive. >> Like a thousand dollars. >> Like a thousand dollars. >> Like a thousand dollars. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, and I I was like that's like HGH >> Yeah, and I I was like that's like HGH >> Yeah, and I I was like that's like HGH prices. That's how that way I looked at prices. That's how that way I looked at prices. That's how that way I looked at it. I was like how why would I it. I was like how why would I it. I was like how why would I >> It would make sense at that level. >> It would make sense at that level. >> It would make sense at that level. >> Yeah, yeah, that's kind of how I looked >> Yeah, yeah, that's kind of how I looked >> Yeah, yeah, that's kind of how I looked at it. It was like why why get the at it. It was like why why get the at it. It was like why why get the Tesamorelin when Tesamorelin when Tesamorelin when >> You mentioned your double spinal spinal >> You mentioned your double spinal spinal >> You mentioned your double spinal spinal fusion. What Talk about what when did fusion. What Talk about what when did fusion. What Talk about what when did that happen? What happened? Did you talk that happen? What happened? Did you talk that happen? What happened? Did you talk about that last time you were on? Like about that last time you were on? Like about that last time you were on? Like how did you do that? how did you do that? how did you do that? >> He briefly mentioned it. >> He briefly mentioned it. >> He briefly mentioned it. >> I briefly I had double spinal fusion. >> I briefly I had double spinal fusion. >> I briefly I had double spinal fusion. >> That's how I kind of came up with the >> That's how I kind of came up with the >> That's how I kind of came up with the idea of Vita Bella when I had double idea of Vita Bella when I had double idea of Vita Bella when I had double spinal fusion and they told me it was spinal fusion and they told me it was spinal fusion and they told me it was going to be going to be going to be >> It was an FU to the doctors, don't you >> It was an FU to the doctors, don't you >> It was an FU to the doctors, don't you remember? remember? remember? >> Well, I know that, but how did you hurt >> Well, I know that, but how did you hurt >> Well, I know that, but how did you hurt your how did you how did that happen? your how did you how did that happen? your how did you how did that happen? >> You know when you go to the gym and you >> You know when you go to the gym and you >> You know when you go to the gym and you put 500 lb on a squat rack and you know put 500 lb on a squat rack and you know put 500 lb on a squat rack and you know in the mirror you want to be the guy in the mirror you want to be the guy in the mirror you want to be the guy when you come up and you get that bounce when you come up and you get that bounce when you come up and you get that bounce at the top. You know you want that at the top. You know you want that at the top. You know you want that bounce when you come up. bounce when you come up. bounce when you come up. >> Did you do a squatting? >> Did you do a squatting? >> Did you do a squatting? >> I did. >> I did. >> I did. >> Oh, Phil. >> Oh, Phil. >> Oh, Phil. >> And I shot the disc 2 cm into the spinal >> And I shot the disc 2 cm into the spinal >> And I shot the disc 2 cm into the spinal cord. cord. cord. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> And >> And >> And I was on I was on I was on >> Did you fold like a lawn chair or what? >> Did you fold like a lawn chair or what? >> Did you fold like a lawn chair or what? How did you How did you How did you >> No, I didn't even know. >> No, I didn't even know. >> No, I didn't even know. >> Oh, wow. So you actually got to >> Oh, wow. So you actually got to >> Oh, wow. So you actually got to re-racket it at least. re-racket it at least. re-racket it at least. >> Yeah, I re-racketed and I was like I was >> Yeah, I re-racketed and I was like I was >> Yeah, I re-racketed and I was like I was like a pinch. I didn't feel anything and like a pinch. I didn't feel anything and like a pinch. I didn't feel anything and then I then I then I >> And then the inflammation >> And then the inflammation >> And then the inflammation >> I literally had a friend go, "What's >> I literally had a friend go, "What's >> I literally had a friend go, "What's wrong with your left arm?" And I was wrong with your left arm?" And I was wrong with your left arm?" And I was like, "What's wrong?" He I was like, like, "What's wrong?" He I was like, like, "What's wrong?" He I was like, "Wow." And he goes, "It's significantly "Wow." And he goes, "It's significantly "Wow." And he goes, "It's significantly smaller than your right right now." And smaller than your right right now." And smaller than your right right now." And I was like, "What happened?" I was like, "What happened?" I was like, "What happened?" And so then I'm like, "Well, I'm in a And so then I'm like, "Well, I'm in a And so then I'm like, "Well, I'm in a lot of spinal pain." Then it got worse lot of spinal pain." Then it got worse lot of spinal pain." Then it got worse and worse. Next thing you know I'm like and worse. Next thing you know I'm like and worse. Next thing you know I'm like 100 oxycontin. I've got a 100 oxycontin. I've got a 100 oxycontin. I've got a spinal spinal spinal epidural going on and then I went to a epidural going on and then I went to a epidural going on and then I went to a spinal doctor and he goes, "We're going spinal doctor and he goes, "We're going spinal doctor and he goes, "We're going to do emergency surgery tomorrow morning to do emergency surgery tomorrow morning to do emergency surgery tomorrow morning at 5:00 a.m. otherwise you're not going at 5:00 a.m. otherwise you're not going at 5:00 a.m. otherwise you're not going to get your left arm back. Your bicep's to get your left arm back. Your bicep's to get your left arm back. Your bicep's going to be gone forever." going to be gone forever." going to be gone forever." So I got about 80% of the bicep back. So I got about 80% of the bicep back. So I got about 80% of the bicep back. But But But >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. What was it like coming off the >> Wow. What was it like coming off the >> Wow. What was it like coming off the oxy? oxy? oxy? >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh I I'm not like a painkiller guy. I I'm not like a painkiller guy. I I'm not like a painkiller guy. >> Oh, wow. Really? >> Oh, wow. Really? >> Oh, wow. Really? >> More of a go fast kind of I'm kidding. >> More of a go fast kind of I'm kidding. >> More of a go fast kind of I'm kidding. But uh But uh But uh >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I'm not a painkiller guy. So I hated >> I'm not a painkiller guy. So I hated >> I'm not a painkiller guy. So I hated like feeling the lethargicness like feeling the lethargicness like feeling the lethargicness >> So you like reluctantly took them in the >> So you like reluctantly took them in the >> So you like reluctantly took them in the first place. first place. first place. >> The minute >> The minute >> The minute >> They were like Tic Tacs. >> They were like Tic Tacs. >> They were like Tic Tacs. >> Anybody who's got spinal pain, it's the >> Anybody who's got spinal pain, it's the >> Anybody who's got spinal pain, it's the worst pain. Like dental and spinal worst pain. Like dental and spinal worst pain. Like dental and spinal they're two worst pains in the world. they're two worst pains in the world. they're two worst pains in the world. But I uh But I uh But I uh the day I had surgery I never took the day I had surgery I never took the day I had surgery I never took another painkiller. another painkiller. another painkiller. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Like literally came out of surgery, full >> Like literally came out of surgery, full >> Like literally came out of surgery, full spinal, like all the spinal, like all the spinal, like all the amnesia, all of the anesthesia, all of amnesia, all of the anesthesia, all of amnesia, all of the anesthesia, all of the anesthesia came off and I never the anesthesia came off and I never the anesthesia came off and I never touched a pain. touched a pain. touched a pain. >> So 500 lb a lot of weight, dude, cuz >> So 500 lb a lot of weight, dude, cuz >> So 500 lb a lot of weight, dude, cuz you're not a massive guy. you're not a massive guy. you're not a massive guy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Were you like what were you lifting back >> Were you like what were you lifting back >> Were you like what were you lifting back then? then? then? >> Uh [clears throat] I was I was a big boy >> Uh [clears throat] I was I was a big boy >> Uh [clears throat] I was I was a big boy at one point. I was What were you at one point. I was What were you at one point. I was What were you weighing? 265. weighing? 265. weighing? 265. 265? 265? 265? I've got pictures. 265? What are you I've got pictures. 265? What are you I've got pictures. 265? What are you weighing right now? weighing right now? weighing right now? 210. Yeah, cuz you're I mean you're 210. Yeah, cuz you're I mean you're 210. Yeah, cuz you're I mean you're pretty jacked guy. But 265 is pretty jacked guy. But 265 is pretty jacked guy. But 265 is ridiculous. ridiculous. ridiculous. 22 inches. You were a horse. You're a 22 inches. You were a horse. You're a 22 inches. You were a horse. You're a little bowling ball, bro. little bowling ball, bro. little bowling ball, bro. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Bowling ball. >> Bowling ball. >> Bowling ball. Now you were not natural at 265. Were Now you were not natural at 265. Were Now you were not natural at 265. Were you competing? Why are you calling me out? Why are you calling me out? I was not competing. I was just an I was not competing. I was just an I was not competing. I was just an idiot. That was it. I was just an idiot idiot. That was it. I was just an idiot idiot. That was it. I was just an idiot in the gym just pushing really hard and in the gym just pushing really hard and in the gym just pushing really hard and I I I I was I was pushing some gear at the I was I was pushing some gear at the I was I was pushing some gear at the time. What year is this? time. What year is this? time. What year is this? See four four five years ago. See four four five years ago. See four four five years ago. You were 265? That That just that long You were 265? That That just that long You were 265? That That just that long ago? How hard What was it like to lose ago? How hard What was it like to lose ago? How hard What was it like to lose all that muscle? Did that mess with you? Yes and no. I think I felt a lot better. Yes and no. I think I felt a lot better. I got to be honest. Like I had so much I got to be honest. Like I had so much I got to be honest. Like I had so much more energy and then half of my day more energy and then half of my day more energy and then half of my day [clears throat] wasn't consumed prepping [clears throat] wasn't consumed prepping [clears throat] wasn't consumed prepping food and just just eating. Like you food and just just eating. Like you food and just just eating. Like you don't realize how much you're actually don't realize how much you're actually don't realize how much you're actually eating all day long. Like you come out eating all day long. Like you come out eating all day long. Like you come out of the gym you're eating. You're like I of the gym you're eating. You're like I of the gym you're eating. You're like I got to get a meal and I'm like I'm not got to get a meal and I'm like I'm not got to get a meal and I'm like I'm not even doing anything with this. I'm not even doing anything with this. I'm not even doing anything with this. I'm not prepping for anything. What are you prepping for anything. What are you prepping for anything. What are you doing? Like I'm acting like I'm going to doing? Like I'm acting like I'm going to doing? Like I'm acting like I'm going to go to the NFL combine and I'm going home go to the NFL combine and I'm going home go to the NFL combine and I'm going home to my daughter. to my daughter. to my daughter. Like yeah. Wow. I want to see that Like yeah. Wow. I want to see that Like yeah. Wow. I want to see that picture, dude. 265 Phil, that's going to picture, dude. 265 Phil, that's going to picture, dude. 265 Phil, that's going to look That's boy. That's going to look look That's boy. That's going to look look That's boy. That's going to look crazy, dude. Just text it to me cuz I'll crazy, dude. Just text it to me cuz I'll crazy, dude. Just text it to me cuz I'll look Yeah, I'll send you some pictures. look Yeah, I'll send you some pictures. look Yeah, I'll send you some pictures. These things These things are huge. I I These things These things are huge. I I These things These things are huge. I I was a big guy. Wow. Wow. All right, can was a big guy. Wow. Wow. All right, can was a big guy. Wow. Wow. All right, can we get to some hard stuff cuz I asked we get to some hard stuff cuz I asked we get to some hard stuff cuz I asked y'all fair if we could if we could ask y'all fair if we could if we could ask y'all fair if we could if we could ask you a little bit about so you a little bit about so you a little bit about so cuz I I I had heard you had discussed cuz I I I had heard you had discussed cuz I I I had heard you had discussed this with this with this with Katrina and Katrina and Katrina and you had some really you had some really you had some really like hard stuff happen you in a very like hard stuff happen you in a very like hard stuff happen you in a very short period of time. short period of time. short period of time. And it's part of what got you to leave And it's part of what got you to leave And it's part of what got you to leave tech tech tech and that's part of your story as to what and that's part of your story as to what and that's part of your story as to what got you to move in this direction. That got you to move in this direction. That got you to move in this direction. That plus your injury plus your injury plus your injury moved you in a completely different moved you in a completely different moved you in a completely different direction. direction. direction. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, take us back. >> So, take us back. >> So, take us back. This was when was this? 20 This was when was this? 20 This was when was this? 20 >> 2018, 2019. Really 2019 is when like uh >> 2018, 2019. Really 2019 is when like uh >> 2018, 2019. Really 2019 is when like uh I I went through like some just you I I went through like some just you I I went through like some just you couldn't make it up. Like I just I couldn't make it up. Like I just I couldn't make it up. Like I just I thought like I was on Candid Camera and thought like I was on Candid Camera and thought like I was on Candid Camera and God was holding the camcorder quite God was holding the camcorder quite God was holding the camcorder quite frankly. Like it was uh frankly. Like it was uh frankly. Like it was uh I went through like the death of my I went through like the death of my I went through like the death of my father father father um and I had um and I had um and I had almost I grew up with like 13 kids, almost I grew up with like 13 kids, almost I grew up with like 13 kids, bunch of friends, family. bunch of friends, family. bunch of friends, family. Um Um Um >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> [clears throat] >> Did you guys all live together? >> Did you guys all live together? >> Did you guys all live together? >> We didn't live together, but we lived in >> We didn't live together, but we lived in >> We didn't live together, but we lived in the same neighborhood in Chicago. It's a the same neighborhood in Chicago. It's a the same neighborhood in Chicago. It's a tight community. tight community. tight community. And um For whatever reason For whatever reason um um um nine of them nine of them nine of them killed themselves that year. killed themselves that year. killed themselves that year. And in very And in very And in very unique ways. unique ways. unique ways. Um Um Um It sounds like surreal to talk about. It sounds like surreal to talk about. It sounds like surreal to talk about. But like nine But like nine But like nine >> That's a lot of people that you know. >> That's a lot of people that you know. >> That's a lot of people that you know. >> Nine people and eventually my brain >> Nine people and eventually my brain >> Nine people and eventually my brain thought that we were being off like in thought that we were being off like in thought that we were being off like in my head you're like this is like a my head you're like this is like a my head you're like this is like a systematic takeout, but uh systematic takeout, but uh systematic takeout, but uh And and you just gets to you and I don't And and you just gets to you and I don't And and you just gets to you and I don't know why, but yeah, I had a nine know why, but yeah, I had a nine know why, but yeah, I had a nine different individuals in my life take different individuals in my life take different individuals in my life take their lives after their lives after their lives after losing my dad, lost custody of my losing my dad, lost custody of my losing my dad, lost custody of my daughter, like any bad thing that could daughter, like any bad thing that could daughter, like any bad thing that could possibly walked away from my career at possibly walked away from my career at possibly walked away from my career at Sysco. Um and any bad thing that could Sysco. Um and any bad thing that could Sysco. Um and any bad thing that could possibly happen me happen me and I'll possibly happen me happen me and I'll possibly happen me happen me and I'll give you the give you the give you the story because I I I think this is a story because I I I think this is a story because I I I think this is a crazy thing is I went to uh crazy thing is I went to uh crazy thing is I went to uh I didn't know what to do. Like when By I didn't know what to do. Like when By I didn't know what to do. Like when By the way, this is the craziest statistic. the way, this is the craziest statistic. the way, this is the craziest statistic. If you know somebody that's killed If you know somebody that's killed If you know somebody that's killed themselves themselves themselves you're six times more likely to kill you're six times more likely to kill you're six times more likely to kill yourself. yourself. yourself. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you know two people that killed >> If you know two people that killed >> If you know two people that killed themselves, it's six times six. You're themselves, it's six times six. You're themselves, it's six times six. You're 36 times more likely. 36 times more likely. 36 times more likely. >> Oh gosh. >> Oh gosh. >> Oh gosh. >> And if you're a part of the family, it's >> And if you're a part of the family, it's >> And if you're a part of the family, it's like like like >> And yeah, and if you're part of the >> And yeah, and if you're part of the >> And yeah, and if you're part of the family and so you just have uh you know family and so you just have uh you know family and so you just have uh you know so many people so many people so many people that that uh that that uh that that uh and I and I think it it unlocks like and I and I think it it unlocks like and I and I think it it unlocks like when when when someone kills themself, you mentally someone kills themself, you mentally someone kills themself, you mentally believe like it's okay believe like it's okay believe like it's okay at that point. It's like a psychotic at that point. It's like a psychotic at that point. It's like a psychotic thought goes through your head. You're thought goes through your head. You're thought goes through your head. You're like, "Well, do they know something that like, "Well, do they know something that like, "Well, do they know something that I don't?" I don't?" I don't?" Like is this the easy route out? And Like is this the easy route out? And Like is this the easy route out? And uh the good thing is that the four uh the good thing is that the four uh the good thing is that the four remaining humans had children. remaining humans had children. remaining humans had children. So, of the nine none had kids. So, of the nine none had kids. So, of the nine none had kids. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Uh four of us have children, and I think >> Uh four of us have children, and I think >> Uh four of us have children, and I think that that's probably why that that's probably why that that's probably why you know, cuz we get a bigger purpose you know, cuz we get a bigger purpose you know, cuz we get a bigger purpose than ourselves, a bigger purpose to live than ourselves, a bigger purpose to live than ourselves, a bigger purpose to live for, but uh for, but uh for, but uh it was a crazy year, and I at the end a it was a crazy year, and I at the end a it was a crazy year, and I at the end a year or in the middle of this all going year or in the middle of this all going year or in the middle of this all going on, I decided to go to uh Bali. on, I decided to go to uh Bali. on, I decided to go to uh Bali. Bali, Indonesia, and Bali, Indonesia, and Bali, Indonesia, and >> Was it just to get away to >> Was it just to get away to >> Was it just to get away to >> I'm going to call somebody out, but I >> I'm going to call somebody out, but I >> I'm going to call somebody out, but I called a ex-girlfriend, and I was like, called a ex-girlfriend, and I was like, called a ex-girlfriend, and I was like, "Hey, this is what's going on in my "Hey, this is what's going on in my "Hey, this is what's going on in my life." And she said life." And she said life." And she said "Go watch the movie Eat, Pray, Love." "Go watch the movie Eat, Pray, Love." "Go watch the movie Eat, Pray, Love." And I was like, "That's a weird thing." And I was like, "That's a weird thing." And I was like, "That's a weird thing." And so I just go watch the movie, and I And so I just go watch the movie, and I And so I just go watch the movie, and I call her back, and I'm like, "Bali?" She call her back, and I'm like, "Bali?" She call her back, and I'm like, "Bali?" She goes, "Yeah." She goes, "I found a lot goes, "Yeah." She goes, "I found a lot goes, "Yeah." She goes, "I found a lot of peace there." of peace there." of peace there." And so I ended up going to Bali, and um And so I ended up going to Bali, and um And so I ended up going to Bali, and um I went there for 1 week. I went there for 1 week. I went there for 1 week. Uh I came back just under 6 months Uh I came back just under 6 months Uh I came back just under 6 months later. later. later. Um I spent 6 months in Bali. Um I spent 6 months in Bali. Um I spent 6 months in Bali. >> Did you know anybody there? >> Did you know anybody there? >> Did you know anybody there? >> I didn't, but I knew everybody by the >> I didn't, but I knew everybody by the >> I didn't, but I knew everybody by the time it was over. time it was over. time it was over. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um I had no idea of of how it was just >> Um I had no idea of of how it was just >> Um I had no idea of of how it was just an amazing place, peaceful. It's like an amazing place, peaceful. It's like an amazing place, peaceful. It's like the highest happiness rate in the world, the highest happiness rate in the world, the highest happiness rate in the world, or number two. Yeah, true. I didn't know or number two. Yeah, true. I didn't know or number two. Yeah, true. I didn't know that. Yeah. And so I don't quote me, but that. Yeah. And so I don't quote me, but that. Yeah. And so I don't quote me, but it's I I think it's like how they go to it's I I think it's like how they go to it's I I think it's like how they go to heaven is through service to others. heaven is through service to others. heaven is through service to others. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And so the service is amazing, the >> And so the service is amazing, the >> And so the service is amazing, the people are amazing, the energy, just it people are amazing, the energy, just it people are amazing, the energy, just it communicating with people who communicating with people who communicating with people who are genuinely happy lifted me up really are genuinely happy lifted me up really are genuinely happy lifted me up really good. But yeah, I went through good. But yeah, I went through good. But yeah, I went through went through a crazy year. It's that's went through a crazy year. It's that's went through a crazy year. It's that's it's We talked to it's We talked to it's We talked to Adam, you know, off before the show and Adam, you know, off before the show and Adam, you know, off before the show and I think that it's really hard to have I think that it's really hard to have I think that it's really hard to have empathy during that period empathy during that period empathy during that period when people like, "Dude, you don't when people like, "Dude, you don't when people like, "Dude, you don't understand. My life's difficult." Tell understand. My life's difficult." Tell understand. My life's difficult." Tell me more. Tell me how difficult your life me more. Tell me how difficult your life me more. Tell me how difficult your life is. Like and I didn't think my life was is. Like and I didn't think my life was is. Like and I didn't think my life was difficult. I still don't think my life difficult. I still don't think my life difficult. I still don't think my life is even going through all of that. I is even going through all of that. I is even going through all of that. I just think God had a plan. I don't know just think God had a plan. I don't know just think God had a plan. I don't know what that plan was. I I just know that what that plan was. I I just know that what that plan was. I I just know that there was a plan and a purpose for all there was a plan and a purpose for all there was a plan and a purpose for all of these things happening. of these things happening. of these things happening. >> Was there Was there something >> Was there Was there something >> Was there Was there something in common that was happening in the in common that was happening in the in common that was happening in the neighborhood or in the family that neighborhood or in the family that neighborhood or in the family that caused this kind of like caused this kind of like caused this kind of like >> They lived all over the country. Some of >> They lived all over the country. Some of >> They lived all over the country. Some of them extremely highly successful. them extremely highly successful. them extremely highly successful. >> So that So So this is wild. So they You >> So that So So this is wild. So they You >> So that So So this is wild. So they You guys all grew up together in a guys all grew up together in a guys all grew up together in a neighborhood. neighborhood. neighborhood. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The nine of you. And then this all >> The nine of you. And then this all >> The nine of you. And then this all happened as they were adults happened as they were adults happened as they were adults >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> and moved and lived in different places. >> and moved and lived in different places. >> and moved and lived in different places. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The the the the statistical odds >> The the the the statistical odds >> The the the the statistical odds >> is impossible. >> is impossible. >> is impossible. >> Yeah, to to for that to happen >> Yeah, to to for that to happen >> Yeah, to to for that to happen >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> to you is >> to you is >> to you is >> It was crazy like it >> It was crazy like it >> It was crazy like it It's so crazy. I mean It's so crazy. I mean It's so crazy. I mean >> And all within a within a year you're >> And all within a within a year you're >> And all within a within a year you're saying too? saying too? saying too? >> Yeah. A year, year and a half, yeah. It >> Yeah. A year, year and a half, yeah. It >> Yeah. A year, year and a half, yeah. It was It was was It was was It was >> And there's nothing that you can point >> And there's nothing that you can point >> And there's nothing that you can point Was it Was it Was this Are we COVID? Was it Was it Was this Are we COVID? Was it Was it Was this Are we COVID? What are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing? >> No, this is before Right before COVID. >> No, this is before Right before COVID. >> No, this is before Right before COVID. Right before COVID. So this is before Right before COVID. So this is before Right before COVID. So this is before that. that. that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And uh there's not like a thing that you And uh there's not like a thing that you And uh there's not like a thing that you can point to that can point to that can point to that >> No, >> No, >> No, I've been through mentally. I was like, I've been through mentally. I was like, I've been through mentally. I was like, well, you know, and that's why I post a well, you know, and that's why I post a well, you know, and that's why I post a lot about like uh lot about like uh lot about like uh suicide because men specifically suicide because men specifically suicide because men specifically like like like we're in a lone wolf society today. Men we're in a lone wolf society today. Men we're in a lone wolf society today. Men are pack animals and we don't want to are pack animals and we don't want to are pack animals and we don't want to talk about problems. It takes more talk about problems. It takes more talk about problems. It takes more it takes more courage it takes more courage it takes more courage to talk to another man to talk to another man to talk to another man than it does to stay quiet and off than it does to stay quiet and off than it does to stay quiet and off yourself. It's It's yourself. It's It's yourself. It's It's >> And and by the way >> And and by the way >> And and by the way it's like that, you know, any What is it's like that, you know, any What is it's like that, you know, any What is it? 8 minutes, 6 minutes, 7 minutes, you it? 8 minutes, 6 minutes, 7 minutes, you it? 8 minutes, 6 minutes, 7 minutes, you know, just give me 7 minutes. Like if know, just give me 7 minutes. Like if know, just give me 7 minutes. Like if you get that guy goes, "Hey, you got you you get that guy goes, "Hey, you got you you get that guy goes, "Hey, you got you got five minutes?" got five minutes?" got five minutes?" I got it. Like just talk. Like everybody I got it. Like just talk. Like everybody I got it. Like just talk. Like everybody we magnify problems in our own head we magnify problems in our own head we magnify problems in our own head to a level that most people to a level that most people to a level that most people would look at you and laugh, right? And would look at you and laugh, right? And would look at you and laugh, right? And because because because we we marinate and as you marinate, you we we marinate and as you marinate, you we we marinate and as you marinate, you give it more power, you give it more give it more power, you give it more give it more power, you give it more guilt, you give it more everything and guilt, you give it more everything and guilt, you give it more everything and it becomes something big, but if you it becomes something big, but if you it becomes something big, but if you just talk about it to somebody else and just talk about it to somebody else and just talk about it to somebody else and stuff. That's like the big lesson that stuff. That's like the big lesson that stuff. That's like the big lesson that I've taken away is is when people are I've taken away is is when people are I've taken away is is when people are going through stuff or they seem off, going through stuff or they seem off, going through stuff or they seem off, I'm like, "Hey, I'm like, "Hey, I'm like, "Hey, are you okay?" are you okay?" are you okay?" >> Do you have um Do you now Do you have a >> Do you have um Do you now Do you have a >> Do you have um Do you now Do you have a strong network of men now around you? strong network of men now around you? strong network of men now around you? >> I've got a pretty good strong network of >> I've got a pretty good strong network of >> I've got a pretty good strong network of of men. I I It's crazy. Like my circle of men. I I It's crazy. Like my circle of men. I I It's crazy. Like my circle blew up and then I'm like, "This is too blew up and then I'm like, "This is too blew up and then I'm like, "This is too many people. I got to shrink it back many people. I got to shrink it back many people. I got to shrink it back down again." down again." down again." Like yeah, I uh I've got a good I've got Like yeah, I uh I've got a good I've got Like yeah, I uh I've got a good I've got a really good circle of good men around a really good circle of good men around a really good circle of good men around me and uh me and uh me and uh I like it small. Like I like a tight I like it small. Like I like a tight I like it small. Like I like a tight little, you know, three, four dudes that little, you know, three, four dudes that little, you know, three, four dudes that I could call at any time and uh it you I could call at any time and uh it you I could call at any time and uh it you know, just to talk. know, just to talk. know, just to talk. >> Hm. When you left to to Bali, was that >> Hm. When you left to to Bali, was that >> Hm. When you left to to Bali, was that also this Did you Was that you pieced also this Did you Was that you pieced also this Did you Was that you pieced out Cisco at this out Cisco at this out Cisco at this >> Pieced out Cisco. >> Pieced out Cisco. >> Pieced out Cisco. >> And that was you said, "Hey, I'm out." >> And that was you said, "Hey, I'm out." >> And that was you said, "Hey, I'm out." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And >> And >> And >> later. >> later. >> later. >> And then two weeks later you you were >> And then two weeks later you you were >> And then two weeks later you you were >> later I was in Bali. >> later I was in Bali. >> later I was in Bali. >> And when you do this at this time, >> And when you do this at this time, >> And when you do this at this time, you have no idea what you're going to do you have no idea what you're going to do you have no idea what you're going to do after this. I know you you cashed out, after this. I know you you cashed out, after this. I know you you cashed out, so you're okay. So it's not like you're so you're okay. So it's not like you're so you're okay. So it's not like you're like, "I need to figure out how to feed like, "I need to figure out how to feed like, "I need to figure out how to feed myself." So you're financially stable. myself." So you're financially stable. myself." So you're financially stable. >> Financially stable. >> Financially stable. >> Financially stable. >> But what am I going to do with the rest >> But what am I going to do with the rest >> But what am I going to do with the rest of my life or what do I want to do? Is of my life or what do I want to do? Is of my life or what do I want to do? Is that Is that what you're asking yourself that Is that what you're asking yourself that Is that what you're asking yourself when you're out in Bali? when you're out in Bali? when you're out in Bali? >> I mean, it's >> I mean, it's >> I mean, it's uh it's insane for you to wake up like uh it's insane for you to wake up like uh it's insane for you to wake up like after after after two decades of just running things, two decades of just running things, two decades of just running things, five, six billion-dollar division, 4,000 five, six billion-dollar division, 4,000 five, six billion-dollar division, 4,000 employees, and then I wake up the next employees, and then I wake up the next employees, and then I wake up the next day and I'm like, "Who am I?" day and I'm like, "Who am I?" day and I'm like, "Who am I?" >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like what's my purpose? What's next? And >> Like what's my purpose? What's next? And >> Like what's my purpose? What's next? And uh It did help with being like a parent. I It did help with being like a parent. I can say like as a dad, like we're can say like as a dad, like we're can say like as a dad, like we're providers, we're protectors. It helped providers, we're protectors. It helped providers, we're protectors. It helped out like get real present. out like get real present. out like get real present. >> Yeah, how old's your daughter when you >> Yeah, how old's your daughter when you >> Yeah, how old's your daughter when you leave when you leave to Bali? leave when you leave to Bali? leave when you leave to Bali? >> 4 and 1/2 years old. >> 4 and 1/2 years old. >> 4 and 1/2 years old. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Was that and then that was when you also >> Was that and then that was when you also >> Was that and then that was when you also lost custody at the time? lost custody at the time? lost custody at the time? >> Yeah, I lost custody of my daughter >> Yeah, I lost custody of my daughter >> Yeah, I lost custody of my daughter temporarily due to some nonsense. Now I temporarily due to some nonsense. Now I temporarily due to some nonsense. Now I have full custody. have full custody. have full custody. But uh well, we're still we're we're But uh well, we're still we're we're But uh well, we're still we're we're shared now, but for a for a period of shared now, but for a for a period of shared now, but for a for a period of time I had time I had time I had full custody. But yeah, I lost I I If it full custody. But yeah, I lost I I If it full custody. But yeah, I lost I I If it could go wrong, it went wrong. could go wrong, it went wrong. could go wrong, it went wrong. >> It did. >> It did. >> It did. >> And uh I think it's the >> And uh I think it's the >> And uh I think it's the That's where the character building came That's where the character building came That's where the character building came out. Like I think that until you're at out. Like I think that until you're at out. Like I think that until you're at the absolute bottom, the absolute bottom, the absolute bottom, you don't build the right foundation. you don't build the right foundation. you don't build the right foundation. Like that's that's the the lesson for Like that's that's the the lesson for Like that's that's the the lesson for for being at the absolute bottom mental. for being at the absolute bottom mental. for being at the absolute bottom mental. I had money, so thank God I had money at I had money, so thank God I had money at I had money, so thank God I had money at the time because then that would just be the time because then that would just be the time because then that would just be another problem, but that also goes back another problem, but that also goes back another problem, but that also goes back to money doesn't buy any sort of to money doesn't buy any sort of to money doesn't buy any sort of happiness at all. happiness at all. happiness at all. Like it's the like the true wealth is Like it's the like the true wealth is Like it's the like the true wealth is health, family, friends. health, family, friends. health, family, friends. >> Did you piece that together before all >> Did you piece that together before all >> Did you piece that together before all this unfolded? this unfolded? this unfolded? >> Hell, no. >> Hell, no. >> Hell, no. >> And you didn't? >> And you didn't? >> And you didn't? >> No, I was completely >> No, I was completely >> No, I was completely >> When did that switch up? I always love >> When did that switch up? I always love >> When did that switch up? I always love hearing that story for people that have hearing that story for people that have hearing that story for people that have had tremendous financial success. At had tremendous financial success. At had tremendous financial success. At some point most people, if they're not, some point most people, if they're not, some point most people, if they're not, they're still chasing. So I either find they're still chasing. So I either find they're still chasing. So I either find two categories of people that are that two categories of people that are that two categories of people that are that have made success financially. Either have made success financially. Either have made success financially. Either they're at the goalpost just moved even they're at the goalpost just moved even they're at the goalpost just moved even further and they need the yacht or the further and they need the yacht or the further and they need the yacht or the whatever. whatever. whatever. Uh or they had this massive realization Uh or they had this massive realization Uh or they had this massive realization of oh [ __ ] this doesn't of oh [ __ ] this doesn't of oh [ __ ] this doesn't make me any happier. make me any happier. make me any happier. >> I had a number. >> I had a number. >> I had a number. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I had a number and uh I'm I'm in the >> I had a number and uh I'm I'm in the >> I had a number and uh I'm I'm in the middle of writing a book about this middle of writing a book about this middle of writing a book about this called the bell curve of happiness called the bell curve of happiness called the bell curve of happiness >> Oh, cool. >> Oh, cool. >> Oh, cool. >> right now. And it's >> right now. And it's >> right now. And it's we think we think we think that when we get more money, that when we get more money, that when we get more money, something's going to change. Like dude, something's going to change. Like dude, something's going to change. Like dude, if I just had the next million, if I just had the next million, if I just had the next million, [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] I'm going to change. I'm going to change. I'm going to change. Nothing's going to change. Nothing's going to change. Nothing's going to change. Surprise. nothing's going to change. Surprise. nothing's going to change. Surprise. nothing's going to change. >> You could argue it gets worse and more >> You could argue it gets worse and more >> You could argue it gets worse and more stressful. stressful. stressful. >> And the main reason why I think it gets >> And the main reason why I think it gets >> And the main reason why I think it gets worse is because you get the next worse is because you get the next worse is because you get the next million and then literally you're like, million and then literally you're like, million and then literally you're like, [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] Nothing changed. It's like chasing the Nothing changed. It's like chasing the Nothing changed. It's like chasing the Olympic medal. You do it your whole Olympic medal. You do it your whole Olympic medal. You do it your whole life, you get the Olympic medal, you're life, you get the Olympic medal, you're life, you get the Olympic medal, you're still the same person. still the same person. still the same person. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're a happy person. You can become a >> You're a happy person. You can become a >> You're a happy person. You can become a happier person. Yeah, Michael Phelps, happier person. Yeah, Michael Phelps, happier person. Yeah, Michael Phelps, yeah, he he launched a depression app yeah, he he launched a depression app yeah, he he launched a depression app about this. about this. about this. And it was like I I was chasing and And it was like I I was chasing and And it was like I I was chasing and chasing and chasing and money was my god chasing and chasing and money was my god chasing and chasing and money was my god and North Star for a long time. and North Star for a long time. and North Star for a long time. And then one day And then one day And then one day I realized like it I realized like it I realized like it My daughter helped me realize it. Like My daughter helped me realize it. Like My daughter helped me realize it. Like for children, a lot of us buy for children, a lot of us buy for children, a lot of us buy things, experiences. things, experiences. things, experiences. All they want is our time. All they want is our time. All they want is our time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's all they want is >> That's all they want is >> That's all they want is the time you spend with them is going to the time you spend with them is going to the time you spend with them is going to be be be so much more so much more so much more significant than anything you bought significant than anything you bought significant than anything you bought them. And and and that was like a them. And and and that was like a them. And and and that was like a defining Like I was like, "Hey, I'll defining Like I was like, "Hey, I'll defining Like I was like, "Hey, I'll we'll go here." And she goes, "Daddy, we'll go here." And she goes, "Daddy, we'll go here." And she goes, "Daddy, let's just go to the park." let's just go to the park." let's just go to the park." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm like, [ __ ] It doesn't require any >> I'm like, [ __ ] It doesn't require any >> I'm like, [ __ ] It doesn't require any money. And then money. And then money. And then what else do you want in life? Like what what else do you want in life? Like what what else do you want in life? Like what else is necessary after else is necessary after else is necessary after It's crazy comment, but like after the It's crazy comment, but like after the It's crazy comment, but like after the mentor that I had, after $10 million mentor that I had, after $10 million mentor that I had, after $10 million there's there's there's there's nothing to buy. there's nothing to buy. there's nothing to buy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That is of >> That is of >> That is of You guys are in California, so it's You guys are in California, so it's You guys are in California, so it's different. You guys got expensive homes. different. You guys got expensive homes. different. You guys got expensive homes. But uh But uh But uh after $10 million, after $10 million, after $10 million, what are you doing? Like it just they're what are you doing? Like it just they're what are you doing? Like it just they're just gluttony at that point. just gluttony at that point. just gluttony at that point. >> The the data shows even far less than >> The the data shows even far less than >> The the data shows even far less than that. Um like once you meet your needs that. Um like once you meet your needs that. Um like once you meet your needs and you get a little extra, beyond that, and you get a little extra, beyond that, and you get a little extra, beyond that, there's zero. there's zero. there's zero. >> 250. >> 250. >> 250. >> In period. >> In period. >> In period. >> It's like the the bell curve of >> It's like the the bell curve of >> It's like the the bell curve of happiness happens at like 240, 250. Like happiness happens at like 240, 250. Like happiness happens at like 240, 250. Like after that after that after that >> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> Nothing. >> You think something's going to change >> You think something's going to change >> You think something's going to change It's different depending on what part of It's different depending on what part of It's different depending on what part of the country you live, but like $250,000 the country you live, but like $250,000 the country you live, but like $250,000 you get like a sign and and billionaires you get like a sign and and billionaires you get like a sign and and billionaires and and heavy hundred millionaires is is and and heavy hundred millionaires is is and and heavy hundred millionaires is is even way more depressed. even way more depressed. even way more depressed. >> Well, that that number used to be 75 to >> Well, that that number used to be 75 to >> Well, that that number used to be 75 to 80 and the only thing that's changed is 80 and the only thing that's changed is 80 and the only thing that's changed is time. That was 20 20 years ago when they time. That was 20 20 years ago when they time. That was 20 20 years ago when they did that study it was 75. The only did that study it was 75. The only did that study it was 75. The only inflation's happened and so 250 is the inflation's happened and so 250 is the inflation's happened and so 250 is the new 75 of 30 years ago. But it's to your new 75 of 30 years ago. But it's to your new 75 of 30 years ago. But it's to your point. It's once your basic needs are point. It's once your basic needs are point. It's once your basic needs are met, you have a roof over your head, you met, you have a roof over your head, you met, you have a roof over your head, you you can eat comfortably food, you have you can eat comfortably food, you have you can eat comfortably food, you have one or two cars like one or two cars like one or two cars like >> you you know, I I read this really >> you you know, I I read this really >> you you know, I I read this really fascinating study and there's other fascinating study and there's other fascinating study and there's other studies that um support it. Uh they the studies that um support it. Uh they the studies that um support it. Uh they the study was to look on the best ROI study was to look on the best ROI study was to look on the best ROI uh for the use of money to produce uh for the use of money to produce uh for the use of money to produce happiness. Cuz if you ask somebody, why happiness. Cuz if you ask somebody, why happiness. Cuz if you ask somebody, why do you want to make money? Why do you do you want to make money? Why do you do you want to make money? Why do you want to make more? want to make more? want to make more? At the very bottom of it, it's to make At the very bottom of it, it's to make At the very bottom of it, it's to make me happier. Like they might say I want me happier. Like they might say I want me happier. Like they might say I want to buy this that and it's like well well to buy this that and it's like well well to buy this that and it's like well well why why why? It's become happier. So why why why? It's become happier. So why why why? It's become happier. So they actually did the study. they actually did the study. they actually did the study. What's the best return on investment What's the best return on investment What's the best return on investment when you use your money for happiness? when you use your money for happiness? when you use your money for happiness? And And And they looked at buying things. they looked at buying things. they looked at buying things. What happens when you buy something? You What happens when you buy something? You What happens when you buy something? You buy something you get a spike in buy something you get a spike in buy something you get a spike in happiness that quickly drops. happiness that quickly drops. happiness that quickly drops. And if you buy that same thing again, And if you buy that same thing again, And if you buy that same thing again, you get zero happiness. And if you buy you get zero happiness. And if you buy you get zero happiness. And if you buy other things like it, you get other things like it, you get other things like it, you get diminishing returns. So it's a terrible diminishing returns. So it's a terrible diminishing returns. So it's a terrible return on investment. The second one was return on investment. The second one was return on investment. The second one was on experiences. And experiences had a on experiences. And experiences had a on experiences. And experiences had a longer happiness curve, but that also longer happiness curve, but that also longer happiness curve, but that also dropped. And if you repeat that the same dropped. And if you repeat that the same dropped. And if you repeat that the same experience, experience, experience, you know, first time you go to Hawaii, you know, first time you go to Hawaii, you know, first time you go to Hawaii, amazing. You go there over and over amazing. You go there over and over amazing. You go there over and over again, you don't get that same again, you don't get that same again, you don't get that same uh spike. uh spike. uh spike. Now, if you use your money to Now, if you use your money to Now, if you use your money to voluntarily help someone else or to voluntarily help someone else or to voluntarily help someone else or to donate voluntarily, donate voluntarily, donate voluntarily, so it's got to be voluntary. So taxes so it's got to be voluntary. So taxes so it's got to be voluntary. So taxes don't count. Or being forced doesn't don't count. Or being forced doesn't don't count. Or being forced doesn't count. But when you use it to give to count. But when you use it to give to count. But when you use it to give to help somebody, help somebody, help somebody, you get the spike of happiness that you get the spike of happiness that you get the spike of happiness that repeats every time you think about that repeats every time you think about that repeats every time you think about that time time time you use that money. So for the rest of you use that money. So for the rest of you use that money. So for the rest of your life for for as long as the study your life for for as long as the study your life for for as long as the study ran, ran, ran, every time a person thought about, man, every time a person thought about, man, every time a person thought about, man, that time I gave so and so a thousand that time I gave so and so a thousand that time I gave so and so a thousand dollars or that time I bought groceries dollars or that time I bought groceries dollars or that time I bought groceries for so and so, they you'll get that same for so and so, they you'll get that same for so and so, they you'll get that same exact spike in happiness. So from an ROI exact spike in happiness. So from an ROI exact spike in happiness. So from an ROI standpoint, using your money for other standpoint, using your money for other standpoint, using your money for other people is the best way to get happy. people is the best way to get happy. people is the best way to get happy. >> That's fascinating. >> That's fascinating. >> That's fascinating. >> Which is so counter to what people >> Which is so counter to what people >> Which is so counter to what people think. So opposite. think. So opposite. think. So opposite. >> How many of us just go and buy stuff for >> How many of us just go and buy stuff for >> How many of us just go and buy stuff for ourselves? It makes us happy for ourselves? It makes us happy for ourselves? It makes us happy for days. And then you feel like an [ __ ] days. And then you feel like an [ __ ] days. And then you feel like an [ __ ] after. You're like, what the [ __ ] did I after. You're like, what the [ __ ] did I after. You're like, what the [ __ ] did I just buy? I don't even need this. just buy? I don't even need this. just buy? I don't even need this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, no, it's uh I think giving >> Yeah, no, it's uh I think giving >> Yeah, no, it's uh I think giving giving, you know, it's biblical. giving, you know, it's biblical. giving, you know, it's biblical. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Giving's biblical, right? You get 50x >> Giving's biblical, right? You get 50x >> Giving's biblical, right? You get 50x back, right? If you give and and I'll back, right? If you give and and I'll back, right? If you give and and I'll I I struggled with tithing my whole I I struggled with tithing my whole I I struggled with tithing my whole life. life. life. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And it and the more I leaned in, >> And it and the more I leaned in, >> And it and the more I leaned in, the better life became. the better life became. the better life became. >> Isn't that amazing? Do you um you you >> Isn't that amazing? Do you um you you >> Isn't that amazing? Do you um you you talk about being a father a lot. Do you talk about being a father a lot. Do you talk about being a father a lot. Do you want more kids? want more kids? want more kids? >> I'm not against it. I mean, God's will. >> I'm not against it. I mean, God's will. >> I'm not against it. I mean, God's will. I uh I I want daughters. I I have more I uh I I want daughters. I I have more I uh I I want daughters. I I have more fun fun fun I didn't know I wanted a daughter till I I didn't know I wanted a daughter till I I didn't know I wanted a daughter till I got a daughter. got a daughter. got a daughter. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And yeah, I I wouldn't mind having more >> And yeah, I I wouldn't mind having more >> And yeah, I I wouldn't mind having more kids. I just uh kids. I just uh kids. I just uh >> How old's your daughter now? >> How old's your daughter now? >> How old's your daughter now? >> She's 11. >> She's 11. >> She's 11. >> Okay, so she's going to become a >> Okay, so she's going to become a >> Okay, so she's going to become a teenager soon. teenager soon. teenager soon. >> inherit more kids. >> inherit more kids. >> inherit more kids. >> Yeah, you that's true. >> Yeah, you that's true. >> Yeah, you that's true. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Uh she's going to become a teenager >> Uh she's going to become a teenager >> Uh she's going to become a teenager soon. Are you How do you feel about, you soon. Are you How do you feel about, you soon. Are you How do you feel about, you know, her starting to date, all that know, her starting to date, all that know, her starting to date, all that stuff? Are you like, you know, very stuff? Are you like, you know, very stuff? Are you like, you know, very overprotective? overprotective? overprotective? >> Ish. >> Ish. >> Ish. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Ish. >> Ish. >> Ish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> till you get to that >> till you get to that >> till you get to that >> Ask me yeah, ask me in 3 more years. >> Ask me yeah, ask me in 3 more years. >> Ask me yeah, ask me in 3 more years. >> I I I >> I I I >> I I I I talk I talk to my daughter like she's I talk I talk to my daughter like she's I talk I talk to my daughter like she's an adult. an adult. an adult. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I do. She's 11. She's grown up with her >> I do. She's 11. She's grown up with her >> I do. She's 11. She's grown up with her dad, right? So I'm like uh there's no dad, right? So I'm like uh there's no dad, right? So I'm like uh there's no baby talking since she's been like 5. baby talking since she's been like 5. baby talking since she's been like 5. She's like, what I'm like, pick it up. She's like, what I'm like, pick it up. She's like, what I'm like, pick it up. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> But uh >> But uh >> But uh I was talking to her the other day. It's I was talking to her the other day. It's I was talking to her the other day. It's so funny you bring this up. I was so funny you bring this up. I was so funny you bring this up. I was talking to her the other day and I said, talking to her the other day and I said, talking to her the other day and I said, "I want you to get like excessively "I want you to get like excessively "I want you to get like excessively heartbroken young. Like just crushed. heartbroken young. Like just crushed. heartbroken young. Like just crushed. >> Soul crushed. She goes, "Daddy, why >> Soul crushed. She goes, "Daddy, why >> Soul crushed. She goes, "Daddy, why would you wish that upon me?" I was would you wish that upon me?" I was would you wish that upon me?" I was like, "Because you don't want it to like, "Because you don't want it to like, "Because you don't want it to happen later in life. Like just have it happen later in life. Like just have it happen later in life. Like just have it 15 years old, your whole world collapse. 15 years old, your whole world collapse. 15 years old, your whole world collapse. I can be there for you. I can I can be there for you. I can I can be there for you. I can >> That's not a bad point. >> That's not a bad point. >> That's not a bad point. >> I can I can help you with I I don't want >> I can I can help you with I I don't want >> I can I can help you with I I don't want it to happen in college when you're at it to happen in college when you're at it to happen in college when you're at some dorm or somewhere else and you some dorm or somewhere else and you some dorm or somewhere else and you collapse. Now, cuz you got to figure out collapse. Now, cuz you got to figure out collapse. Now, cuz you got to figure out the story we just about. I'm like, the the story we just about. I'm like, the the story we just about. I'm like, the mental state of mind is so critical and mental state of mind is so critical and mental state of mind is so critical and malleable at that point. So, I'm like, malleable at that point. So, I'm like, malleable at that point. So, I'm like, happen young so you realize this is what happen young so you realize this is what happen young so you realize this is what the real world's like. Right. Not a the real world's like. Right. Not a the real world's like. Right. Not a helicopter dad or mom. Like, this is helicopter dad or mom. Like, this is helicopter dad or mom. Like, this is real world [ __ ] Like, you're going to real world [ __ ] Like, you're going to real world [ __ ] Like, you're going to get heartbroken, shit's going to happen, get heartbroken, shit's going to happen, get heartbroken, shit's going to happen, you're going to make connections. you're going to make connections. you're going to make connections. They're not always going to work out. They're not always going to work out. They're not always going to work out. Just have it happen young. She goes, Just have it happen young. She goes, Just have it happen young. She goes, "This is not a great conversation. I'll "This is not a great conversation. I'll "This is not a great conversation. I'll see you later." see you later." see you later." >> [laughter] >> You bring her to work with you? >> You bring her to work with you? >> I brought her to work for a long >> I brought her to work for a long >> I brought her to work for a long a long period of time. So, you had COVID a long period of time. So, you had COVID a long period of time. So, you had COVID going on and everything else. She came going on and everything else. She came going on and everything else. She came to every business meeting, she came to every business meeting, she came to every business meeting, she came everywhere. And she she actually everywhere. And she she actually everywhere. And she she actually understands Vita Bella. understands Vita Bella. understands Vita Bella. Like, she understands products and she Like, she understands products and she Like, she understands products and she She's like, "Yeah, she She wants to like She's like, "Yeah, she She wants to like She's like, "Yeah, she She wants to like hurt my arm." And it's like a hurt my arm." And it's like a hurt my arm." And it's like a 7-year-old, "Dad, this BPC 157 will help 7-year-old, "Dad, this BPC 157 will help 7-year-old, "Dad, this BPC 157 will help you." I'm like, "We don't do the you." I'm like, "We don't do the you." I'm like, "We don't do the 7-year-olds here, honey." Yeah. 7-year-olds here, honey." Yeah. 7-year-olds here, honey." Yeah. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I do I do bring her to work. >> I do I do bring her to work. >> I do I do bring her to work. >> That's awesome. Uh any plans in the >> That's awesome. Uh any plans in the >> That's awesome. Uh any plans in the future cuz the way that you've future cuz the way that you've future cuz the way that you've structured I have to ask this. The way structured I have to ask this. The way structured I have to ask this. The way that you've structured Vita Bella that you've structured Vita Bella that you've structured Vita Bella with the membership makes it a prime with the membership makes it a prime with the membership makes it a prime company to be able to sell at some company to be able to sell at some company to be able to sell at some point. Uh whereas other companies it'd point. Uh whereas other companies it'd point. Uh whereas other companies it'd be very difficult to sell. Is any any be very difficult to sell. Is any any be very difficult to sell. Is any any plans in the future to be have it maybe plans in the future to be have it maybe plans in the future to be have it maybe sell it and to get it? sell it and to get it? sell it and to get it? >> Yeah, so >> Yeah, so >> Yeah, so the goal is is in the next 36 months to the goal is is in the next 36 months to the goal is is in the next 36 months to take Vita Bella to a place that take Vita Bella to a place that take Vita Bella to a place that that I couldn't imagine and then that I couldn't imagine and then that I couldn't imagine and then and then probably in the right investor and then probably in the right investor and then probably in the right investor or the right company to take it over. or the right company to take it over. or the right company to take it over. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And move on. I've got a number of >> And move on. I've got a number of >> And move on. I've got a number of different ventures and things that I'm different ventures and things that I'm different ventures and things that I'm working on. I've got some fun things working on. I've got some fun things working on. I've got some fun things that are coming up and I think probably that are coming up and I think probably that are coming up and I think probably 36 months move it over. But it it's very 36 months move it over. But it it's very 36 months move it over. But it it's very important that we don't sacrifice the important that we don't sacrifice the important that we don't sacrifice the the mission. the mission. the mission. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like, it's scary. Like, so many people >> Like, it's scary. Like, so many people >> Like, it's scary. Like, so many people turn over a company turn over a company turn over a company and they they don't take patient care and they they don't take patient care and they they don't take patient care seriously. Customer success drops, seriously. Customer success drops, seriously. Customer success drops, customer service drops. So, it'd have to customer service drops. So, it'd have to customer service drops. So, it'd have to be the right situation. I mean, I I be the right situation. I mean, I I be the right situation. I mean, I I think about it all the time. That's kind think about it all the time. That's kind think about it all the time. That's kind of like the mental goal. of like the mental goal. of like the mental goal. >> Mhm. In the end >> Mhm. In the end >> Mhm. In the end who knows what happens. But yeah. who knows what happens. But yeah. who knows what happens. But yeah. >> Was the Was the membership idea >> Was the Was the membership idea >> Was the Was the membership idea primarily to exit or was it more to primarily to exit or was it more to primarily to exit or was it more to protect you of the uncertainty of the protect you of the uncertainty of the protect you of the uncertainty of the peptide space? Cuz that's how I looked peptide space? Cuz that's how I looked peptide space? Cuz that's how I looked at it. I thought that was brilliant at it. I thought that was brilliant at it. I thought that was brilliant because of that. because of that. because of that. >> I The membership was built to manage >> I The membership was built to manage >> I The membership was built to manage OPEX. OPEX. OPEX. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The membership was built to manage OPEX >> The membership was built to manage OPEX >> The membership was built to manage OPEX because if I can offer a great product because if I can offer a great product because if I can offer a great product cuz here's what happens is this people cuz here's what happens is this people cuz here's what happens is this people forget to put in orders, they forget to forget to put in orders, they forget to forget to put in orders, they forget to do this, they forget to do that, and do this, they forget to do that, and do this, they forget to do that, and then they just fall off. then they just fall off. then they just fall off. And so this also holds a level of And so this also holds a level of And so this also holds a level of accountability. Like one of the big accountability. Like one of the big accountability. Like one of the big pieces of having a membership is pieces of having a membership is pieces of having a membership is you should use it. you should use it. you should use it. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Right? The law of good intentions is the >> Right? The law of good intentions is the >> Right? The law of good intentions is the gym, right? They buy the membership to gym, right? They buy the membership to gym, right? They buy the membership to the gym then they'll go to the gym and the gym then they'll go to the gym and the gym then they'll go to the gym and after a certain time either you're going after a certain time either you're going after a certain time either you're going to go to the gym or you're going to to go to the gym or you're going to to go to the gym or you're going to cancel it. cancel it. cancel it. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So it forces you to think about these >> So it forces you to think about these >> So it forces you to think about these things. But yeah, it was accountability, things. But yeah, it was accountability, things. But yeah, it was accountability, invest in yourself long-term, invest in yourself long-term, invest in yourself long-term, make sure you see your doctors. If make sure you see your doctors. If make sure you see your doctors. If you're paying for it, you're going to you're paying for it, you're going to you're paying for it, you're going to probably see your practitioner. probably see your practitioner. probably see your practitioner. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But yeah, I mean and then >> But yeah, I mean and then >> But yeah, I mean and then obviously all valuations is built on on obviously all valuations is built on on obviously all valuations is built on on your all valuations going to be built on your all valuations going to be built on your all valuations going to be built on your predictable recurring revenue. your predictable recurring revenue. your predictable recurring revenue. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And and the membership offers the >> And and the membership offers the >> And and the membership offers the predictable predictable predictable >> Cuz I really thought it was brilliant >> Cuz I really thought it was brilliant >> Cuz I really thought it was brilliant from a protection standpoint. from a protection standpoint. from a protection standpoint. I bring up the analogy all the time that I bring up the analogy all the time that I bring up the analogy all the time that the peptide space reminds me so much of the peptide space reminds me so much of the peptide space reminds me so much of the cannabis space and the volatility of the cannabis space and the volatility of the cannabis space and the volatility of it. it. it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know, [clears throat] whoever we >> You know, [clears throat] whoever we >> You know, [clears throat] whoever we have in office have in office have in office who's deciding the laws, you know what who's deciding the laws, you know what who's deciding the laws, you know what I'm saying? It could be pro you, could I'm saying? It could be pro you, could I'm saying? It could be pro you, could be very ne you know what I'm saying? And be very ne you know what I'm saying? And be very ne you know what I'm saying? And each state the state is different. And each state the state is different. And each state the state is different. And so all the stuff that you already know so all the stuff that you already know so all the stuff that you already know about that's such a headache. But the about that's such a headache. But the about that's such a headache. But the one thing that we're we're we're so one thing that we're we're we're so one thing that we're we're we're so beyond that with with testosterone and beyond that with with testosterone and beyond that with with testosterone and as like we know the benefits of that. as like we know the benefits of that. as like we know the benefits of that. That's not going away. Um and so I That's not going away. Um and so I That's not going away. Um and so I thought, "Oh, this is so smart." Like thought, "Oh, this is so smart." Like thought, "Oh, this is so smart." Like even if peptides are getting regulated even if peptides are getting regulated even if peptides are getting regulated and shut down and this is good, this is and shut down and this is good, this is and shut down and this is good, this is not good, the consistency of that I feel not good, the consistency of that I feel not good, the consistency of that I feel like that I mean that won't go away. So like that I mean that won't go away. So like that I mean that won't go away. So that's why I thought many other products that's why I thought many other products that's why I thought many other products outside of peptides. Like people think outside of peptides. Like people think outside of peptides. Like people think that like peptide like there's that like peptide like there's that like peptide like there's rapamycin, there's anti-aging products, rapamycin, there's anti-aging products, rapamycin, there's anti-aging products, skin care products, sexual wellness skin care products, sexual wellness skin care products, sexual wellness products, energy products, products, energy products, products, energy products, >> That's great. >> That's great. >> That's great. >> detox products, vitamins, like basic MIC >> detox products, vitamins, like basic MIC >> detox products, vitamins, like basic MIC injections. People don't people injections. People don't people injections. People don't people undervalue undervalue undervalue >> What was that? MIC injection? >> What was that? MIC injection? >> What was that? MIC injection? >> MIC injection like bio boost, >> MIC injection like bio boost, >> MIC injection like bio boost, aminos, aminos, aminos, inositol, choline, yeah, you know, inositol, choline, yeah, you know, inositol, choline, yeah, you know, things that help with your liver things that help with your liver things that help with your liver metabolism. metabolism. metabolism. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> All of these things are overlooked now >> All of these things are overlooked now >> All of these things are overlooked now because of peptides. Yeah, and they because of peptides. Yeah, and they because of peptides. Yeah, and they shouldn't be. There's still some really shouldn't be. There's still some really shouldn't be. There's still some really really good products and hidden things really good products and hidden things really good products and hidden things out there that protect us. But if we out there that protect us. But if we out there that protect us. But if we lost peptides tomorrow, yeah, it'd be an lost peptides tomorrow, yeah, it'd be an lost peptides tomorrow, yeah, it'd be an impact to the business, impact to the business, impact to the business, but not as big as an impact. I mean, but not as big as an impact. I mean, but not as big as an impact. I mean, female hormones is monstrous. female hormones is monstrous. female hormones is monstrous. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Male hormones is monstrous. >> Male hormones is monstrous. >> Male hormones is monstrous. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Everybody seems to have an injury for >> Everybody seems to have an injury for >> Everybody seems to have an injury for Anavar and Anavar and Anavar and injuring yourself every 3 days. I don't injuring yourself every 3 days. I don't injuring yourself every 3 days. I don't understand. You want another understand. You want another understand. You want another prescription? He's like, "Yeah, I ripped prescription? He's like, "Yeah, I ripped prescription? He's like, "Yeah, I ripped my other rotator, my knee." I'm like, my other rotator, my knee." I'm like, my other rotator, my knee." I'm like, "Oh my god." "Oh my god." "Oh my god." >> What What do you know what percentage of >> What What do you know what percentage of >> What What do you know what percentage of people that are on the membership that people that are on the membership that people that are on the membership that actually that also partake in peptides actually that also partake in peptides actually that also partake in peptides and everything else? and everything else? and everything else? >> Yeah, you're probably have like a 60% >> Yeah, you're probably have like a 60% >> Yeah, you're probably have like a 60% penetration. Oh, yeah. They're at least penetration. Oh, yeah. They're at least penetration. Oh, yeah. They're at least ordering one peptide. ordering one peptide. ordering one peptide. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah, so you've got 40% are hormones, >> Yeah, so you've got 40% are hormones, >> Yeah, so you've got 40% are hormones, skin care, um skin care, um skin care, um Yeah, and then about 60% are are Yeah, and then about 60% are are Yeah, and then about 60% are are penetrated on peptides. penetrated on peptides. penetrated on peptides. >> Are we going to see you at the World >> Are we going to see you at the World >> Are we going to see you at the World Peptide Congress again? Peptide Congress again? Peptide Congress again? >> I will be at World Peptide >> I will be at World Peptide >> I will be at World Peptide >> You are. Okay. >> You are. Okay. >> You are. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'll be speaking at it. >> I'll be speaking at it. >> I'll be speaking at it. >> I know you will. >> I know you will. >> I know you will. >> You'll be heckling. >> You'll be heckling. >> You'll be heckling. >> Yeah. All right. >> Yeah. All right. >> Yeah. All right. >> We're going to mess with Sal. Sal is the >> We're going to mess with Sal. Sal is the >> We're going to mess with Sal. Sal is the one doing on stage. one doing on stage. one doing on stage. >> Well, very good. Well, Well, Phil, this >> Well, very good. Well, Well, Phil, this >> Well, very good. Well, Well, Phil, this has been great, man. has been great, man. has been great, man. >> Thank you, brother. >> Thank you, brother. >> Thank you, brother. >> It's been awesome. Again, we get great >> It's been awesome. Again, we get great >> It's been awesome. Again, we get great reviews from our reviews from our reviews from our from the people that we send your way. from the people that we send your way. from the people that we send your way. So, the service was the most important. So, the service was the most important. So, the service was the most important. That's number one. So, I'm so happy and That's number one. So, I'm so happy and That's number one. So, I'm so happy and relieved that it worked out that way. relieved that it worked out that way. relieved that it worked out that way. That was the the big thing was that we That was the the big thing was that we That was the the big thing was that we wanted our people taken care of and I wanted our people taken care of and I wanted our people taken care of and I for the first time feel that way. I feel for the first time feel that way. I feel for the first time feel that way. I feel like they're not being pressured and like they're not being pressured and like they're not being pressured and sold on stuff that they don't want or sold on stuff that they don't want or sold on stuff that they don't want or need. Um I feel like uh they get to meet need. Um I feel like uh they get to meet need. Um I feel like uh they get to meet with a medical professional with a medical professional with a medical professional who will go through every bit of their who will go through every bit of their who will go through every bit of their blood work uh in detail with them, meet blood work uh in detail with them, meet blood work uh in detail with them, meet with them quarterly like that, follow up with them quarterly like that, follow up with them quarterly like that, follow up on them, and then of course they get on them, and then of course they get on them, and then of course they get their stuff really quick. Um no, it's their stuff really quick. Um no, it's their stuff really quick. Um no, it's been an incredible experience, and the been an incredible experience, and the been an incredible experience, and the feedback has been awesome uh working feedback has been awesome uh working feedback has been awesome uh working with you guys. So, thank you. with you guys. So, thank you. with you guys. So, thank you. >> Thanks for coming on again, man. >> Thanks for coming on again, man. >> Thanks for coming on again, man. >> Thank you, brother. Appreciate you boys >> Thank you, brother. Appreciate you boys >> Thank you, brother. Appreciate you boys having me. having me. having me. >> You got it. If you go to >> You got it. If you go to >> You got it. If you go to mp-hormones.com, mp-hormones.com, mp-hormones.com, we have medical professionals there we have medical professionals there we have medical professionals there that'll talk with you. You get a free that'll talk with you. You get a free that'll talk with you. 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All right, I know you liked that All right, I know you liked that All right, I know you liked that episode. If you did, check this one out. episode. If you did, check this one out. episode. If you did, check this one out. Stop doing three sets of 12 to build Stop doing three sets of 12 to build Stop doing three sets of 12 to build muscle muscle muscle and do this instead. You guys want to and do this instead. You guys want to and do this instead. You guys want to guess? guess? guess? >> Stop doing the three sets of 12 and do >> Stop doing the three sets of 12 and do >> Stop doing the three sets of 12 and do this instead. Uh this instead. Uh this instead. Uh with that intro, my guess is you're with that intro, my guess is you're with that intro, my guess is you're going to tell people to change the rep going to tell people to change the rep going to tell people to change the rep range up to Yeah, 5 by 5 or low rep range up to Yeah, 5 by 5 or low rep range up to Yeah, 5 by 5 or low rep range. range. range. >> guys remember when >> guys remember when >> guys remember when >> Yeah, so um >> Yeah, so um >> Yeah, so um often times we get stuck in like a set often times we get stuck in like a set often times we get stuck in like a set count and a rep count or a range that's