HILARY DUFF Opens Up About Family, Disney, Divorce & Finding Love Again

I had like a great time being a child I had like a great time being a child actor. I had a great time turning into a actor. I had a great time turning into a actor. I had a great time turning into a pop star, but it is not easy behind the pop star, but it is not easy behind the pop star, but it is not easy behind the scenes and there's so much that goes on scenes and there's so much that goes on scenes and there's so much that goes on and ways that you feel out of control. and ways that you feel out of control. and ways that you feel out of control. >> This time around, I get to pick how much >> This time around, I get to pick how much >> This time around, I get to pick how much crazy I can tolerate. crazy I can tolerate. crazy I can tolerate. >> Everybody has their reasons and >> Everybody has their reasons and >> Everybody has their reasons and relationships are difficult, especially relationships are difficult, especially relationships are difficult, especially with your family. Especially with your family. Especially with your family. Especially >> as painful as it feels to share, when I >> as painful as it feels to share, when I >> as painful as it feels to share, when I decided to make this record, I could decided to make this record, I could decided to make this record, I could only talk about the things that I've only talk about the things that I've only talk about the things that I've gone through. >> Hey everyone, welcome back to OnPurpose, >> Hey everyone, welcome back to OnPurpose, the place you come to become happier, the place you come to become happier, the place you come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Today's healthier, and more healed. Today's healthier, and more healed. Today's guest is someone that we have been guest is someone that we have been guest is someone that we have been excited for such a long time. The energy excited for such a long time. The energy excited for such a long time. The energy in the studio has been electric for her in the studio has been electric for her in the studio has been electric for her arrival, and I'm not being hyperbolic or arrival, and I'm not being hyperbolic or arrival, and I'm not being hyperbolic or overhyping it. I really, really mean it. overhyping it. I really, really mean it. overhyping it. I really, really mean it. I'm speaking today to the one and only I'm speaking today to the one and only I'm speaking today to the one and only Hillary Duff, actress, singer, author, Hillary Duff, actress, singer, author, Hillary Duff, actress, singer, author, and entrepreneur whose career has grown and entrepreneur whose career has grown and entrepreneur whose career has grown up alongside an entire generation that I up alongside an entire generation that I up alongside an entire generation that I seem to have in my office. Uh, first seem to have in my office. Uh, first seem to have in my office. Uh, first known to many as Lizzie Maguire, she's known to many as Lizzie Maguire, she's known to many as Lizzie Maguire, she's continued to evolve as an artist and continued to evolve as an artist and continued to evolve as an artist and storyteller, balancing creativity, storyteller, balancing creativity, storyteller, balancing creativity, family, and reinvention. Hillary is now family, and reinvention. Hillary is now family, and reinvention. Hillary is now entering a new chapter with her sixth entering a new chapter with her sixth entering a new chapter with her sixth studio album, Luck or Something. her studio album, Luck or Something. her studio album, Luck or Something. her first fulllength release in over a first fulllength release in over a first fulllength release in over a decade out February 20th, 2026. And you decade out February 20th, 2026. And you decade out February 20th, 2026. And you can see her on her Lucky Me Tour world can see her on her Lucky Me Tour world can see her on her Lucky Me Tour world tour kicking off this June. Do not miss tour kicking off this June. Do not miss tour kicking off this June. Do not miss out. We'll put the link to the tickets out. We'll put the link to the tickets out. We'll put the link to the tickets uh in the bio. Thank you so much. uh in the bio. Thank you so much. uh in the bio. Thank you so much. Hillary Duff, welcome to On Purpose. Hillary Duff, welcome to On Purpose. Hillary Duff, welcome to On Purpose. >> I'm so excited to be here. Thank you. >> I'm so excited to be here. Thank you. >> I'm so excited to be here. Thank you. >> We are very excited. I I cannot tell >> We are very excited. I I cannot tell >> We are very excited. I I cannot tell you. I I I want to tell you because it's you. I I I want to tell you because it's you. I I I want to tell you because it's so important. I woke up this morning and so important. I woke up this morning and so important. I woke up this morning and everyone was like, you know, this is our everyone was like, you know, this is our everyone was like, you know, this is our Super Bowl, right? And I was like, what? Super Bowl, right? And I was like, what? Super Bowl, right? And I was like, what? Like I was trying to figure out one day Like I was trying to figure out one day Like I was trying to figure out one day and they're like, "Yeah, and they're like, "Yeah, and they're like, "Yeah, >> Hillary Duff is coming to like that was >> Hillary Duff is coming to like that was >> Hillary Duff is coming to like that was the reaction." Like people were like, the reaction." Like people were like, the reaction." Like people were like, "This is our Super Bowl. Forget this "This is our Super Bowl. Forget this "This is our Super Bowl. Forget this weekend. No one cares." Like the weekend. No one cares." Like the weekend. No one cares." Like the excitement in the house and everyone excitement in the house and everyone excitement in the house and everyone everyone wants pictures. Everyone has everyone wants pictures. Everyone has everyone wants pictures. Everyone has asked my permission. I was like, I will asked my permission. I was like, I will asked my permission. I was like, I will ask Hillary. I usually don't allow, you ask Hillary. I usually don't allow, you ask Hillary. I usually don't allow, you know, it's just But the energy around know, it's just But the energy around know, it's just But the energy around the excitement that you bring to people. the excitement that you bring to people. the excitement that you bring to people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, how does that feel because >> I mean, how does that feel because >> I mean, how does that feel because you've done it for so long, but you you've done it for so long, but you you've done it for so long, but you still bring this like really electric still bring this like really electric still bring this like really electric energy to everyone who's a fan of yours energy to everyone who's a fan of yours energy to everyone who's a fan of yours and has been for so long. I swear to and has been for so long. I swear to and has been for so long. I swear to God, I'm not trying to do an album plug God, I'm not trying to do an album plug God, I'm not trying to do an album plug right now, but I just feel lucky. I feel right now, but I just feel lucky. I feel right now, but I just feel lucky. I feel like whatever reason my purpose is to be like whatever reason my purpose is to be like whatever reason my purpose is to be here is like to connect with people. And here is like to connect with people. And here is like to connect with people. And I've had the joy of being able to do it I've had the joy of being able to do it I've had the joy of being able to do it for 20 plus years. And some of that's for 20 plus years. And some of that's for 20 plus years. And some of that's felt high and some of that's felt low. felt high and some of that's felt low. felt high and some of that's felt low. But I genuinely feel like people are But I genuinely feel like people are But I genuinely feel like people are excited to like meet me and say hi and excited to like meet me and say hi and excited to like meet me and say hi and like have a quick moment. And it just like have a quick moment. And it just like have a quick moment. And it just feels like it feels normal like it feels feels like it feels normal like it feels feels like it feels normal like it feels really like genuine always and and I'm really like genuine always and and I'm really like genuine always and and I'm always met with that and it's a really always met with that and it's a really always met with that and it's a really you know I'm not saying it's not a big you know I'm not saying it's not a big you know I'm not saying it's not a big responsibility sometimes but you know responsibility sometimes but you know responsibility sometimes but you know being being met with like excitement and being being met with like excitement and being being met with like excitement and and someone being like you've meant so and someone being like you've meant so and someone being like you've meant so much to me it's much to me it's much to me it's >> it's a lovely feeling. >> it's a lovely feeling. >> it's a lovely feeling. >> Mhm. Yeah. No, it's definitely there. >> Mhm. Yeah. No, it's definitely there. >> Mhm. Yeah. No, it's definitely there. have got people have got stories of have got people have got stories of have got people have got stories of coming to your tours at 13 years old and coming to your tours at 13 years old and coming to your tours at 13 years old and saying ridiculous things to you like in saying ridiculous things to you like in saying ridiculous things to you like in my team my team my team >> uh and and meeting you for a few moments >> uh and and meeting you for a few moments >> uh and and meeting you for a few moments and just having the best experiences but and just having the best experiences but and just having the best experiences but I was thinking yeah you've you've meant I was thinking yeah you've you've meant I was thinking yeah you've you've meant this for 25 years you've had you've been this for 25 years you've had you've been this for 25 years you've had you've been so many things to so many people through so many things to so many people through so many things to so many people through the characters you've played the music the characters you've played the music the characters you've played the music of course now your new album of course now your new album of course now your new album >> what's the version of Hillary Duff that >> what's the version of Hillary Duff that >> what's the version of Hillary Duff that you want people to meet now at this you want people to meet now at this you want people to meet now at this point in your life point in your life point in your life >> part of the reason this you know return >> part of the reason this you know return >> part of the reason this you know return to music is feeling so good to me is to music is feeling so good to me is to music is feeling so good to me is just that It's like feels completely just that It's like feels completely just that It's like feels completely like rooted in my truth and who I am and like rooted in my truth and who I am and like rooted in my truth and who I am and what I live with and you know what I live with and you know what I live with and you know introducing people introducing people introducing people to my past 10 years and knowing that we to my past 10 years and knowing that we to my past 10 years and knowing that we are going to connect on many levels of are going to connect on many levels of are going to connect on many levels of experiences and feelings and experiences and feelings and experiences and feelings and disappointments and celebrations and disappointments and celebrations and disappointments and celebrations and like everything in between. So that like everything in between. So that like everything in between. So that that's kind of what I want them to know that's kind of what I want them to know that's kind of what I want them to know about me now and who I want them to to about me now and who I want them to to about me now and who I want them to to meet. Like they have known me my whole meet. Like they have known me my whole meet. Like they have known me my whole life. I have, you know, played a life. I have, you know, played a life. I have, you know, played a character character character that never grew up on TV. You know, she that never grew up on TV. You know, she that never grew up on TV. You know, she stayed that same age. And not that I stayed that same age. And not that I stayed that same age. And not that I feel that that's like the public feel that that's like the public feel that that's like the public consensus around me anymore. I think consensus around me anymore. I think consensus around me anymore. I think people are pretty familiarized with me people are pretty familiarized with me people are pretty familiarized with me and who I am, but I care a lot less and and who I am, but I care a lot less and and who I am, but I care a lot less and I feel like truth is more important than I feel like truth is more important than I feel like truth is more important than like politeness and all of all of that. like politeness and all of all of that. like politeness and all of all of that. So that's what the record feels like to So that's what the record feels like to So that's what the record feels like to me and that's kind of just how I feel me and that's kind of just how I feel me and that's kind of just how I feel comfortable moving through the world. comfortable moving through the world. comfortable moving through the world. You know, I don't know if that's just You know, I don't know if that's just You know, I don't know if that's just with age or being a mom of four or being with age or being a mom of four or being with age or being a mom of four or being in a settled relationship or being in in a settled relationship or being in in a settled relationship or being in the industry for as long as I have with the industry for as long as I have with the industry for as long as I have with many ups and downs. Yeah, it's I feel many ups and downs. Yeah, it's I feel many ups and downs. Yeah, it's I feel like people are getting to meet a uh like people are getting to meet a uh like people are getting to meet a uh mature mature mature uh real version of you and one that is uh real version of you and one that is uh real version of you and one that is very accepting and embracing of this very accepting and embracing of this very accepting and embracing of this amazing journey you have had which is so amazing journey you have had which is so amazing journey you have had which is so beautiful. I think as humans we tend to beautiful. I think as humans we tend to beautiful. I think as humans we tend to have this perspective of like well now I have this perspective of like well now I have this perspective of like well now I am who I am and I've like given up am who I am and I've like given up am who I am and I've like given up everything and I feel like you have this everything and I feel like you have this everything and I feel like you have this beautiful way of being like I love those beautiful way of being like I love those beautiful way of being like I love those experiences and they mean so much to me experiences and they mean so much to me experiences and they mean so much to me and now everyone gets to come on the and now everyone gets to come on the and now everyone gets to come on the journey with me. Yeah, journey with me. Yeah, journey with me. Yeah, >> at least what I'm hearing. >> at least what I'm hearing. >> at least what I'm hearing. >> I think that's true. I think that's >> I think that's true. I think that's >> I think that's true. I think that's absolutely true. And I get to like keep absolutely true. And I get to like keep absolutely true. And I get to like keep the pieces that still work for me and, the pieces that still work for me and, the pieces that still work for me and, you know, obviously continue to grow, you know, obviously continue to grow, you know, obviously continue to grow, but I like move with like a confidence but I like move with like a confidence but I like move with like a confidence and like a knowing that just occurred, and like a knowing that just occurred, and like a knowing that just occurred, you know, also also compiled with like a you know, also also compiled with like a you know, also also compiled with like a messy insecurity. And all of those messy insecurity. And all of those messy insecurity. And all of those things are just like what makes up the things are just like what makes up the things are just like what makes up the feeling accepting of all the the things feeling accepting of all the the things feeling accepting of all the the things that come our way. and that like we that come our way. and that like we that come our way. and that like we discovered on on our path. You know, discovered on on our path. You know, discovered on on our path. You know, >> I'm always fascinated by especially for >> I'm always fascinated by especially for >> I'm always fascinated by especially for people who've been in the public eye for people who've been in the public eye for people who've been in the public eye for so long like the experiences that they so long like the experiences that they so long like the experiences that they had that we were less aware of. And I had that we were less aware of. And I had that we were less aware of. And I wanted to ask you what's a childhood wanted to ask you what's a childhood wanted to ask you what's a childhood experience you have that you feel experience you have that you feel experience you have that you feel defines who you are today? defines who you are today? defines who you are today? >> This is so random, but like just like a >> This is so random, but like just like a >> This is so random, but like just like a huge standout memory for me and my huge standout memory for me and my huge standout memory for me and my childhood is like catching tadpoles in childhood is like catching tadpoles in childhood is like catching tadpoles in tic tac boxes in New Bronals in Texas tic tac boxes in New Bronals in Texas tic tac boxes in New Bronals in Texas and it was something that we did after and it was something that we did after and it was something that we did after school like almost every day. is a huge school like almost every day. is a huge school like almost every day. is a huge part of me feeling like I have my feet part of me feeling like I have my feet part of me feeling like I have my feet on the ground constantly even in this, on the ground constantly even in this, on the ground constantly even in this, you know, kind of out of body experience you know, kind of out of body experience you know, kind of out of body experience of a career that I've had and like of a career that I've had and like of a career that I've had and like navigated through. I think like being navigated through. I think like being navigated through. I think like being from Texas and being so normal and kind from Texas and being so normal and kind from Texas and being so normal and kind of grubby and dirty like is a part of my of grubby and dirty like is a part of my of grubby and dirty like is a part of my personality that has helped me just personality that has helped me just personality that has helped me just be that and not be kind of what can be that and not be kind of what can be that and not be kind of what can happen, you know, with 25 years in the happen, you know, with 25 years in the happen, you know, with 25 years in the industry. industry. industry. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's almost what's helped >> Yeah. Yeah. That's almost what's helped >> Yeah. Yeah. That's almost what's helped you stay grounded. I think some of those you stay grounded. I think some of those you stay grounded. I think some of those like early childhood memories of having like early childhood memories of having like early childhood memories of having like a lot of like freedom and I really like a lot of like freedom and I really like a lot of like freedom and I really never thought that I'd raise my kids in never thought that I'd raise my kids in never thought that I'd raise my kids in LA and we're having a great time. But, LA and we're having a great time. But, LA and we're having a great time. But, you know, I grew up very different than you know, I grew up very different than you know, I grew up very different than this and I'm happy to have those roots. this and I'm happy to have those roots. this and I'm happy to have those roots. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. I'm going to >> Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. I'm going to >> Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. I'm going to come to you for all the tips. I have come to you for all the tips. I have come to you for all the tips. I have some of my some of my some of my >> I'm still figuring it out. But I do know >> I'm still figuring it out. But I do know >> I'm still figuring it out. But I do know a lot. a lot. a lot. >> Yeah. I I will say that I have some of >> Yeah. I I will say that I have some of >> Yeah. I I will say that I have some of my favorite people who grew up here. my favorite people who grew up here. my favorite people who grew up here. Like I have a people a couple of people Like I have a people a couple of people Like I have a people a couple of people on my team who obviously I'm born and on my team who obviously I'm born and on my team who obviously I'm born and raised in London and I only moved to LA raised in London and I only moved to LA raised in London and I only moved to LA 8 years ago, 8 years ago, 8 years ago, >> but I have a couple of members of my >> but I have a couple of members of my >> but I have a couple of members of my team that were like born and raised in team that were like born and raised in team that were like born and raised in LA and like went to all the school and LA and like went to all the school and LA and like went to all the school and they're just like phenomenal human they're just like phenomenal human they're just like phenomenal human beings. beings. beings. >> Yeah. Just like the sweetest salt of the >> Yeah. Just like the sweetest salt of the >> Yeah. Just like the sweetest salt of the earth humans and it's it it's such a earth humans and it's it it's such a earth humans and it's it it's such a wonderful thing to kind of redefine what wonderful thing to kind of redefine what wonderful thing to kind of redefine what it means it means it means >> to be like an LA person. >> to be like an LA person. >> to be like an LA person. >> Yeah. Or like like you said of someone >> Yeah. Or like like you said of someone >> Yeah. Or like like you said of someone who's been in the industry for 25 years, who's been in the industry for 25 years, who's been in the industry for 25 years, right? Have you did you ever think about right? Have you did you ever think about right? Have you did you ever think about that along the way like on the journey that along the way like on the journey that along the way like on the journey of like what am I holding on to and what of like what am I holding on to and what of like what am I holding on to and what am I losing or what am I keeping? Did am I losing or what am I keeping? Did am I losing or what am I keeping? Did you have to think about those things? you have to think about those things? you have to think about those things? >> You lose anonymity, >> You lose anonymity, >> You lose anonymity, >> you know, like I've completely lost >> you know, like I've completely lost >> you know, like I've completely lost that. I've lived, you know, pretty much that. I've lived, you know, pretty much that. I've lived, you know, pretty much in the public eye since I was 10. And in the public eye since I was 10. And in the public eye since I was 10. And probably around 15 was when I feel like probably around 15 was when I feel like probably around 15 was when I feel like the world started getting very like the world started getting very like the world started getting very like interested in what I was wearing, who I interested in what I was wearing, who I interested in what I was wearing, who I was dating, what I was eating, where I was dating, what I was eating, where I was dating, what I was eating, where I was. Like that was an interesting kind was. Like that was an interesting kind was. Like that was an interesting kind of thing to navigate where I feel like I of thing to navigate where I feel like I of thing to navigate where I feel like I lost some serious innocence, you know, lost some serious innocence, you know, lost some serious innocence, you know, where you're just like, "Oh my god." And where you're just like, "Oh my god." And where you're just like, "Oh my god." And then you get a lot of people constantly then you get a lot of people constantly then you get a lot of people constantly talking about your life and seeing it on talking about your life and seeing it on talking about your life and seeing it on the cover of magazines and all of that the cover of magazines and all of that the cover of magazines and all of that stuff. Like that was a really strange stuff. Like that was a really strange stuff. Like that was a really strange period to also be like forming as a period to also be like forming as a period to also be like forming as a person privately. And some of those like person privately. And some of those like person privately. And some of those like lines get blurred where you're like I'm lines get blurred where you're like I'm lines get blurred where you're like I'm I am this but I am this and I you know I am this but I am this and I you know I am this but I am this and I you know >> I think I've lost a lot and I think I've >> I think I've lost a lot and I think I've >> I think I've lost a lot and I think I've gained a lot. Like I wouldn't change it gained a lot. Like I wouldn't change it gained a lot. Like I wouldn't change it but I've become very tough. It's like but I've become very tough. It's like but I've become very tough. It's like it's it's not a it's not an easy it's it's it's not a it's not an easy it's it's it's not a it's not an easy it's not an easy industry not an easy industry not an easy industry >> and I think it's not very easy for other >> and I think it's not very easy for other >> and I think it's not very easy for other people to deal with you in this people to deal with you in this people to deal with you in this industry. industry. industry. >> What do you mean by that part? >> What do you mean by that part? >> What do you mean by that part? >> I think it looks very like shiny and for >> I think it looks very like shiny and for >> I think it looks very like shiny and for other people to cope with how it looks other people to cope with how it looks other people to cope with how it looks is a tricky thing to navigate. is a tricky thing to navigate. is a tricky thing to navigate. >> Yeah. Was there a time when everything >> Yeah. Was there a time when everything >> Yeah. Was there a time when everything felt like it was a dream from the felt like it was a dream from the felt like it was a dream from the outside, like you're saying, shiny, but outside, like you're saying, shiny, but outside, like you're saying, shiny, but for you, you were having to really for you, you were having to really for you, you were having to really grapple with some stuff behind the grapple with some stuff behind the grapple with some stuff behind the scenes scenes scenes >> through all of it, you know? >> through all of it, you know? >> through all of it, you know? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Navigating people is like tricky and >> Navigating people is like tricky and >> Navigating people is like tricky and that's not it's it wasn't like all that's not it's it wasn't like all that's not it's it wasn't like all negative. I think I had like a great negative. I think I had like a great negative. I think I had like a great time being a child actor. I had a great time being a child actor. I had a great time being a child actor. I had a great time like turning into a pop star like time like turning into a pop star like time like turning into a pop star like but it is not easy behind the scenes and but it is not easy behind the scenes and but it is not easy behind the scenes and there's so much that goes on and and there's so much that goes on and and there's so much that goes on and and ways that you feel out of control and ways that you feel out of control and ways that you feel out of control and >> and now you know I have my own life and >> and now you know I have my own life and >> and now you know I have my own life and my family and my family that I've my family and my family that I've my family and my family that I've created and uh it's really nice to have created and uh it's really nice to have created and uh it's really nice to have that pillar. that pillar. that pillar. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because all the other stuff now this is >> Because all the other stuff now this is >> Because all the other stuff now this is like fun. this. I mean, no, it is hard like fun. this. I mean, no, it is hard like fun. this. I mean, no, it is hard work. And to be honest, my friend, one work. And to be honest, my friend, one work. And to be honest, my friend, one of my my friends is is Megan Trainer, of my my friends is is Megan Trainer, of my my friends is is Megan Trainer, and she she texts me the other day, and and she she texts me the other day, and and she she texts me the other day, and she's like, I just want you to know you she's like, I just want you to know you she's like, I just want you to know you have made this look seamless, have made this look seamless, have made this look seamless, >> and I'm so impressed, but I know that >> and I'm so impressed, but I know that >> and I'm so impressed, but I know that it's hard as hell. it's hard as hell. it's hard as hell. >> I honestly was like, thank you so much >> I honestly was like, thank you so much >> I honestly was like, thank you so much for saying that. I've had the stomach for saying that. I've had the stomach for saying that. I've had the stomach flu. I like flew all my kids out because flu. I like flew all my kids out because flu. I like flew all my kids out because I missed my family so much. But like I missed my family so much. But like I missed my family so much. But like they all have like coughs and stuffy they all have like coughs and stuffy they all have like coughs and stuffy noses and I have to like sing on stage noses and I have to like sing on stage noses and I have to like sing on stage at night and we got trapped because of at night and we got trapped because of at night and we got trapped because of weather and then all my gear and my crew weather and then all my gear and my crew weather and then all my gear and my crew and my like it's just all so crazy. But and my like it's just all so crazy. But and my like it's just all so crazy. But I think that this time around I get to I think that this time around I get to I think that this time around I get to pick it how much crazy I can tolerate. pick it how much crazy I can tolerate. pick it how much crazy I can tolerate. >> It's probably more comforting to hear >> It's probably more comforting to hear >> It's probably more comforting to hear that someone sees the hardship than you that someone sees the hardship than you that someone sees the hardship than you make it look easy. make it look easy. make it look easy. >> It's almost like hearing make it look >> It's almost like hearing make it look >> It's almost like hearing make it look easy. You're like, "Oh, but you know on easy. You're like, "Oh, but you know on easy. You're like, "Oh, but you know on the inside it's it's never that." And the inside it's it's never that." And the inside it's it's never that." And it's almost like the easier it looks, it's almost like the easier it looks, it's almost like the easier it looks, the harder it must be. You were the harder it must be. You were the harder it must be. You were reminding me of I I listened to this TED reminding me of I I listened to this TED reminding me of I I listened to this TED talk years ago and it was this model, I talk years ago and it was this model, I talk years ago and it was this model, I forget her last name, but her name is forget her last name, but her name is forget her last name, but her name is Cameron something. And the TED talk is Cameron something. And the TED talk is Cameron something. And the TED talk is called Looks Aren't Everything. Trust called Looks Aren't Everything. Trust called Looks Aren't Everything. Trust me, I'm a model. me, I'm a model. me, I'm a model. >> And it's this really what a great title. >> And it's this really what a great title. >> And it's this really what a great title. >> It's fascinating. And she's she's a >> It's fascinating. And she's she's a >> It's fascinating. And she's she's a brilliant speaker. and she really she brilliant speaker. and she really she brilliant speaker. and she really she talks about kind of what you were just talks about kind of what you were just talks about kind of what you were just saying like so she shows images of what saying like so she shows images of what saying like so she shows images of what modeling she was doing and then she modeling she was doing and then she modeling she was doing and then she tells us what age she was and shows us a tells us what age she was and shows us a tells us what age she was and shows us a real picture of that time and obviously real picture of that time and obviously real picture of that time and obviously models are different because like with models are different because like with models are different because like with you people are seeing all of your life you people are seeing all of your life you people are seeing all of your life in one sense with a model you're only in one sense with a model you're only in one sense with a model you're only seeing the picture of them on a campaign seeing the picture of them on a campaign seeing the picture of them on a campaign and at that time we weren't really and at that time we weren't really and at that time we weren't really following models on social media or following models on social media or following models on social media or wherever else and so she shows like this wherever else and so she shows like this wherever else and so she shows like this a picture of me at 14 like smiling with a picture of me at 14 like smiling with a picture of me at 14 like smiling with her parents and then this is a picture her parents and then this is a picture her parents and then this is a picture of me at 14 modeling and she's like of me at 14 modeling and she's like of me at 14 modeling and she's like romantically posing with this guy and romantically posing with this guy and romantically posing with this guy and and and she's talking about how much of and and she's talking about how much of and and she's talking about how much of a disconnect there was between her real a disconnect there was between her real a disconnect there was between her real life and and the life that as a as a life and and the life that as a as a life and and the life that as a as a model she was portraying, model she was portraying, model she was portraying, >> right? Also, when you're a model, you >> right? Also, when you're a model, you >> right? Also, when you're a model, you don't get to be like, don't get to be like, don't get to be like, >> "I'm not really comfortable wearing >> "I'm not really comfortable wearing >> "I'm not really comfortable wearing that. I don't really want to do that that. I don't really want to do that that. I don't really want to do that pose. You're you're a model, right?" So, pose. You're you're a model, right?" So, pose. You're you're a model, right?" So, they're like, "No, we're hiring you to they're like, "No, we're hiring you to they're like, "No, we're hiring you to this is what we wanted." And then, this is what we wanted." And then, this is what we wanted." And then, Right. It's a little different to be Right. It's a little different to be Right. It's a little different to be like an actor who's posing in a photo like an actor who's posing in a photo like an actor who's posing in a photo shoot. shoot. shoot. >> Yeah. Yeah. That Yeah. that direction of >> Yeah. Yeah. That Yeah. that direction of >> Yeah. Yeah. That Yeah. that direction of just not having agency, not having just not having agency, not having just not having agency, not having choice, especially at that age. And I choice, especially at that age. And I choice, especially at that age. And I was thinking about for you, you've was thinking about for you, you've was thinking about for you, you've talked very openly about the eating talked very openly about the eating talked very openly about the eating disorders you had and just like what disorders you had and just like what disorders you had and just like what that looked like and how, you know, at that looked like and how, you know, at that looked like and how, you know, at the time so many people were pit against the time so many people were pit against the time so many people were pit against each other and the the culture was each other and the the culture was each other and the the culture was different. Hopefully, it's different. different. Hopefully, it's different. different. Hopefully, it's different. You can tell me if it is, but that You can tell me if it is, but that You can tell me if it is, but that that's what it felt like at the time. that's what it felt like at the time. that's what it felt like at the time. What was it like for you to get What was it like for you to get What was it like for you to get comfortable being comfortable in your comfortable being comfortable in your comfortable being comfortable in your own skin? Like like what did that take? own skin? Like like what did that take? own skin? Like like what did that take? Like today, you're saying like, you Like today, you're saying like, you Like today, you're saying like, you know, it's not easy. It's still hard know, it's not easy. It's still hard know, it's not easy. It's still hard work, but I'm kind of in control. I'm in work, but I'm kind of in control. I'm in work, but I'm kind of in control. I'm in charge. Like I feel better. But charge. Like I feel better. But charge. Like I feel better. But >> talk to me about some of the stops on >> talk to me about some of the stops on >> talk to me about some of the stops on that journey and what that looks like that journey and what that looks like that journey and what that looks like for so many people who may not grow up for so many people who may not grow up for so many people who may not grow up in the public eye but also deal with the in the public eye but also deal with the in the public eye but also deal with the same challenges. same challenges. same challenges. >> I feel like I've actually always had >> I feel like I've actually always had >> I feel like I've actually always had quite a bit of like self-confidence and quite a bit of like self-confidence and quite a bit of like self-confidence and a good this is such such a lame term a good this is such such a lame term a good this is such such a lame term like a good head on my shoulders. But I like a good head on my shoulders. But I like a good head on my shoulders. But I I have I you know I in my friend groups I have I you know I in my friend groups I have I you know I in my friend groups when I was a teenager I was like pretty when I was a teenager I was like pretty when I was a teenager I was like pretty confident but like also mixed with the confident but like also mixed with the confident but like also mixed with the insecurities of like your teenhood and insecurities of like your teenhood and insecurities of like your teenhood and your your 20s or your early 20s like of your your 20s or your early 20s like of your your 20s or your early 20s like of course those normal things came up and course those normal things came up and course those normal things came up and then on top of it I was dealing with then on top of it I was dealing with then on top of it I was dealing with like yes like yes like yes >> people commenting on my body at a young >> people commenting on my body at a young >> people commenting on my body at a young age and starting to get photographed and age and starting to get photographed and age and starting to get photographed and people like asking you how many times people like asking you how many times people like asking you how many times you weigh yourself or comparing you to you weigh yourself or comparing you to you weigh yourself or comparing you to people that were thinner than you or people that were thinner than you or people that were thinner than you or other girls, you know, in your like line other girls, you know, in your like line other girls, you know, in your like line of work. And I definitely struggled for of work. And I definitely struggled for of work. And I definitely struggled for a little while there, just a little while there, just a little while there, just trying to trying to trying to fit a certain mold and have control over fit a certain mold and have control over fit a certain mold and have control over something in my life. Thankfully, that something in my life. Thankfully, that something in my life. Thankfully, that was like pretty short-lived. Um, but was like pretty short-lived. Um, but was like pretty short-lived. Um, but definitely toyed with it during a time definitely toyed with it during a time definitely toyed with it during a time of like I'm on tour, I'm filming a of like I'm on tour, I'm filming a of like I'm on tour, I'm filming a movie, I'm do, you know, like a lot of movie, I'm do, you know, like a lot of movie, I'm do, you know, like a lot of moving parts to my life and just trying moving parts to my life and just trying moving parts to my life and just trying to to to also like form as a as a person. also like form as a as a person. also like form as a as a person. Honestly, I think it took just time Honestly, I think it took just time Honestly, I think it took just time >> and bigger things happening in my life >> and bigger things happening in my life >> and bigger things happening in my life that like having children that took the that like having children that took the that like having children that took the spot of the other things that didn't spot of the other things that didn't spot of the other things that didn't mean as much to worry about. And mean as much to worry about. And mean as much to worry about. And luckily, those things felt easy to me to luckily, those things felt easy to me to luckily, those things felt easy to me to replace. replace. replace. >> I think having success at such a young >> I think having success at such a young >> I think having success at such a young age makes making like work choices a age makes making like work choices a age makes making like work choices a little harder because there's like a little harder because there's like a little harder because there's like a pressure of a level of success. And I pressure of a level of success. And I pressure of a level of success. And I think once I did have kids and, you think once I did have kids and, you think once I did have kids and, you know, my phone wasn't ringing as much know, my phone wasn't ringing as much know, my phone wasn't ringing as much and I wasn't able to show up to work as and I wasn't able to show up to work as and I wasn't able to show up to work as much and say yes as often, I ended up much and say yes as often, I ended up much and say yes as often, I ended up just saying no a whole bunch just saying no a whole bunch just saying no a whole bunch >> and not being worried about like sitting >> and not being worried about like sitting >> and not being worried about like sitting still. And a lot of great things came still. And a lot of great things came still. And a lot of great things came from that decision. And a lot of from that decision. And a lot of from that decision. And a lot of confidence came from that decision. A confidence came from that decision. A confidence came from that decision. A lot of my steadiness has come from being lot of my steadiness has come from being lot of my steadiness has come from being in such a great stable relationship. in such a great stable relationship. in such a great stable relationship. that's helped me a whole bunch get that's helped me a whole bunch get that's helped me a whole bunch get through some through some through some >> pretty heavy themes in my life. >> pretty heavy themes in my life. >> pretty heavy themes in my life. >> Yeah, I'm excited to hear about that >> Yeah, I'm excited to hear about that >> Yeah, I'm excited to hear about that more, especially after what you told me more, especially after what you told me more, especially after what you told me earlier. But earlier. But earlier. But when we all get where did that early when we all get where did that early when we all get where did that early confidence come from, that good head on confidence come from, that good head on confidence come from, that good head on your shoulders and I and I love that and your shoulders and I and I love that and your shoulders and I and I love that and I think so many and the reason I ask it I think so many and the reason I ask it I think so many and the reason I ask it is there are so many young people who is there are so many young people who is there are so many young people who listen to our show or young parents with listen to our show or young parents with listen to our show or young parents with young kids who want their kids to have young kids who want their kids to have young kids who want their kids to have that good head on their shoulders and that good head on their shoulders and that good head on their shoulders and have that confidence. Where did that have that confidence. Where did that have that confidence. Where did that come from for you and how were you able come from for you and how were you able come from for you and how were you able to hold on to it? to hold on to it? to hold on to it? >> I think a part of it is who you are. >> I think a part of it is who you are. >> I think a part of it is who you are. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. >> Um, and then I think a whole bunch of it >> Um, and then I think a whole bunch of it >> Um, and then I think a whole bunch of it is your influence around you, you know, is your influence around you, you know, is your influence around you, you know, and I and I and I I had a mom who was I had a mom who was I had a mom who was very supportive of a dream, you know, very supportive of a dream, you know, very supportive of a dream, you know, and she and she and she made me take it seriously because it was made me take it seriously because it was made me take it seriously because it was a big change for our life to like leave a big change for our life to like leave a big change for our life to like leave Texas and come to LA, but she also Texas and come to LA, but she also Texas and come to LA, but she also didn't didn't didn't our like livelihood wasn't waited on our like livelihood wasn't waited on our like livelihood wasn't waited on whether or not I booked a job or not, whether or not I booked a job or not, whether or not I booked a job or not, >> you know, and I think that >> you know, and I think that >> you know, and I think that >> I found confidence in >> I found confidence in >> I found confidence in >> work and working, you know, but I think >> work and working, you know, but I think >> work and working, you know, but I think it was it was it was a little more weighted. But like when I a little more weighted. But like when I a little more weighted. But like when I see my son play a really good soccer see my son play a really good soccer see my son play a really good soccer game, game, game, I see his confidence building. I see his confidence building. I see his confidence building. >> And when I see, you know, he is the >> And when I see, you know, he is the >> And when I see, you know, he is the captain of his football team at his captain of his football team at his captain of his football team at his school. Uh, sorry, soccer team at his school. Uh, sorry, soccer team at his school. Uh, sorry, soccer team at his school. And he school. And he school. And he >> football. You can say that here. >> football. You can say that here. >> football. You can say that here. >> You're like, you had to write the first. >> You're like, you had to write the first. >> You're like, you had to write the first. >> Yeah. I was like, yeah, we don't need >> Yeah. I was like, yeah, we don't need >> Yeah. I was like, yeah, we don't need to. Sorry. Um, I had to. I'm sorry. He I to. Sorry. Um, I had to. I'm sorry. He I to. Sorry. Um, I had to. I'm sorry. He I see his confidence build when I you know see his confidence build when I you know see his confidence build when I you know >> so I I think it was just that like mine >> so I I think it was just that like mine >> so I I think it was just that like mine happened to be acting happened to be acting happened to be acting >> but those things were confidence >> but those things were confidence >> but those things were confidence builders at times they were confidence builders at times they were confidence builders at times they were confidence strippers I had a lovely support strippers I had a lovely support strippers I had a lovely support >> system and I also got to be a kid like I >> system and I also got to be a kid like I >> system and I also got to be a kid like I that wasn't all taken away I had like that wasn't all taken away I had like that wasn't all taken away I had like normal friends normal friends normal friends >> and I felt the highs and lows of >> and I felt the highs and lows of >> and I felt the highs and lows of friendship and being confident and not friendship and being confident and not friendship and being confident and not confident and dating and all of that confident and dating and all of that confident and dating and all of that stuff. I don't know. I think some some stuff. I don't know. I think some some stuff. I don't know. I think some some of it you're born with and some of it is of it you're born with and some of it is of it you're born with and some of it is like what is what you're surrounded by like what is what you're surrounded by like what is what you're surrounded by and what you what's modeled for you. and what you what's modeled for you. and what you what's modeled for you. >> Yeah. We we were talking about this a >> Yeah. We we were talking about this a >> Yeah. We we were talking about this a bit earlier off camera, but I was saying bit earlier off camera, but I was saying bit earlier off camera, but I was saying that like I feel like a lot of that like I feel like a lot of that like I feel like a lot of confidence I get when I was a kid came confidence I get when I was a kid came confidence I get when I was a kid came from the fact that I always knew my mom from the fact that I always knew my mom from the fact that I always knew my mom would catch me if I was to fall. would catch me if I was to fall. would catch me if I was to fall. >> So, it didn't come from feeling like I >> So, it didn't come from feeling like I >> So, it didn't come from feeling like I would never fall because I had would never fall because I had would never fall because I had challenges and got bullied or different challenges and got bullied or different challenges and got bullied or different things would happen anyway, right? As it things would happen anyway, right? As it things would happen anyway, right? As it does in any kid's life. Yeah, does in any kid's life. Yeah, does in any kid's life. Yeah, >> but I always knew my mom would catch me >> but I always knew my mom would catch me >> but I always knew my mom would catch me and that was like such and even as a and that was like such and even as a and that was like such and even as a grown man today I'm like I know if I grown man today I'm like I know if I grown man today I'm like I know if I called my mom she would still catch me called my mom she would still catch me called my mom she would still catch me today like after all those years and today like after all those years and today like after all those years and >> it does build such a sense of >> it does build such a sense of >> it does build such a sense of confidence. And then I think the other confidence. And then I think the other confidence. And then I think the other side of what you're saying which I side of what you're saying which I side of what you're saying which I >> appreciate which I think we're finally >> appreciate which I think we're finally >> appreciate which I think we're finally realizing is that confidence does come realizing is that confidence does come realizing is that confidence does come from competence. It comes from doing from competence. It comes from doing from competence. It comes from doing hard things and putting yourself out hard things and putting yourself out hard things and putting yourself out there and taking action. And for you as there and taking action. And for you as there and taking action. And for you as acting, for your son, it's playing acting, for your son, it's playing acting, for your son, it's playing soccer. And soccer. And soccer. And >> those steps and seeing yourself go out >> those steps and seeing yourself go out >> those steps and seeing yourself go out there and play a game. There's there and play a game. There's there and play a game. There's confidence that comes from building a confidence that comes from building a confidence that comes from building a skill or building competence that skill or building competence that skill or building competence that doesn't come from just sitting there and doesn't come from just sitting there and doesn't come from just sitting there and thinking about it or, you know, hoping thinking about it or, you know, hoping thinking about it or, you know, hoping that you naturally feel that way because that you naturally feel that way because that you naturally feel that way because people may not be born that way. people may not be born that way. people may not be born that way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so both of those ideas resonate. >> And so both of those ideas resonate. >> And so both of those ideas resonate. >> Matt and I talk about this with the kids >> Matt and I talk about this with the kids >> Matt and I talk about this with the kids all the time and it could be as simple all the time and it could be as simple all the time and it could be as simple as like them going and making their own as like them going and making their own as like them going and making their own water instead of just being like, "I'm water instead of just being like, "I'm water instead of just being like, "I'm thirsty." and we're like, "Oh, let me do thirsty." and we're like, "Oh, let me do thirsty." and we're like, "Oh, let me do it for you." You know, like sometimes we it for you." You know, like sometimes we it for you." You know, like sometimes we do, of course, we we like our kids to we do, of course, we we like our kids to we do, of course, we we like our kids to we like to take care of our kids, but you like to take care of our kids, but you like to take care of our kids, but you know, we have the conversation a lot know, we have the conversation a lot know, we have the conversation a lot that's like the more they they do, the that's like the more they they do, the that's like the more they they do, the more they can do. And the more you can more they can do. And the more you can more they can do. And the more you can do, the better you feel do, the better you feel do, the better you feel >> about yourself, you know. So, >> about yourself, you know. So, >> about yourself, you know. So, >> um just being >> um just being >> um just being >> trying to hold them accountable to be >> trying to hold them accountable to be >> trying to hold them accountable to be competent for their level. competent for their level. competent for their level. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Is something that I feel like helps form >> Is something that I feel like helps form >> Is something that I feel like helps form your confidence. your confidence. your confidence. >> Yes. and like will make us feel okay >> Yes. and like will make us feel okay >> Yes. and like will make us feel okay about sending them off into the world at about sending them off into the world at about sending them off into the world at some point. some point. some point. >> I remember I'm not recommending this and >> I remember I'm not recommending this and >> I remember I'm not recommending this and I'm not condoning this at all. I just I'm not condoning this at all. I just I'm not condoning this at all. I just remember I had friends who were parents remember I had friends who were parents remember I had friends who were parents and and they had this particular and and they had this particular and and they had this particular methodology that they were training methodology that they were training methodology that they were training their kids with but we were sitting on their kids with but we were sitting on their kids with but we were sitting on one side of a table and hanging out and one side of a table and hanging out and one side of a table and hanging out and their child was like playing with a their child was like playing with a their child was like playing with a candle on the other side candle on the other side candle on the other side >> and and my natural instinct I don't have >> and and my natural instinct I don't have >> and and my natural instinct I don't have kids and my natural instinct was to go kids and my natural instinct was to go kids and my natural instinct was to go take the kid away from the candle take the kid away from the candle take the kid away from the candle because because because >> obviously there's fire and you the >> obviously there's fire and you the >> obviously there's fire and you the natural instinct and they were like no natural instinct and they were like no natural instinct and they were like no no no just leave it like they're they're no no just leave it like they're they're no no just leave it like they're they're just playing and figuring it out and I just playing and figuring it out and I just playing and figuring it out and I was like wow like that's really bold. was like wow like that's really bold. was like wow like that's really bold. >> You're like hope she's wearing a >> You're like hope she's wearing a >> You're like hope she's wearing a ponytail. ponytail. ponytail. >> Yeah, exactly. I was like, "Wow." Like, >> Yeah, exactly. I was like, "Wow." Like, >> Yeah, exactly. I was like, "Wow." Like, you know, and her hair was very short you know, and her hair was very short you know, and her hair was very short that she didn't shed and grow her hair that she didn't shed and grow her hair that she didn't shed and grow her hair out, but she was like 2 years old or out, but she was like 2 years old or out, but she was like 2 years old or something something something >> or maybe three. And I was just like, >> or maybe three. And I was just like, >> or maybe three. And I was just like, yeah, it's not, again, not recommending, yeah, it's not, again, not recommending, yeah, it's not, again, not recommending, not condoning, not not saying that's a not condoning, not not saying that's a not condoning, not not saying that's a good thing. I'm just saying that good thing. I'm just saying that good thing. I'm just saying that >> there is something to be said for being >> there is something to be said for being >> there is something to be said for being competent at your age and your level of competent at your age and your level of competent at your age and your level of experience and providing that to your experience and providing that to your experience and providing that to your children. It feels like your what you've children. It feels like your what you've children. It feels like your what you've been saying about your relationship been saying about your relationship been saying about your relationship right now, you've said it a few times, right now, you've said it a few times, right now, you've said it a few times, like it's built such a foundation for like it's built such a foundation for like it's built such a foundation for you to go through so much. What is it you to go through so much. What is it you to go through so much. What is it that creates a foundation of strength that creates a foundation of strength that creates a foundation of strength and peace in a relationship for you from and peace in a relationship for you from and peace in a relationship for you from your experience? >> Could talk about this for hours. >> Could talk about this for hours. >> That's a good thing, right? I think it >> That's a good thing, right? I think it >> That's a good thing, right? I think it is is is time and just time and just time and just getting to the place where you can be in getting to the place where you can be in getting to the place where you can be in the trenches with someone and the trenches with someone and the trenches with someone and they can know everything and accept they can know everything and accept they can know everything and accept >> everything and help you move through >> everything and help you move through >> everything and help you move through things in the best way. I mean, for me, things in the best way. I mean, for me, things in the best way. I mean, for me, I think Matt and I's I always loved I think Matt and I's I always loved I think Matt and I's I always loved hanging out with him. I love he made me hanging out with him. I love he made me hanging out with him. I love he made me laugh like crazy. Like he was such a he laugh like crazy. Like he was such a he laugh like crazy. Like he was such a he just kept showing up for me over and just kept showing up for me over and just kept showing up for me over and over again. And um I think coming out of over again. And um I think coming out of over again. And um I think coming out of you know being divorced and being a you know being divorced and being a you know being divorced and being a young mom and having a lot of stuff young mom and having a lot of stuff young mom and having a lot of stuff happened in my family life, I think I happened in my family life, I think I happened in my family life, I think I was just like not ready for was just like not ready for was just like not ready for super health yet. super health yet. super health yet. >> And someone who was like totally nice to >> And someone who was like totally nice to >> And someone who was like totally nice to me and wanted to like have like a me and wanted to like have like a me and wanted to like have like a healthy relationship and and and just healthy relationship and and and just healthy relationship and and and just like keep showing up, I guess. And so it like keep showing up, I guess. And so it like keep showing up, I guess. And so it took us a little while to well, it took took us a little while to well, it took took us a little while to well, it took me a little while to just like I think me a little while to just like I think me a little while to just like I think accept something good. accept something good. accept something good. >> And it wasn't until we had Banks, which >> And it wasn't until we had Banks, which >> And it wasn't until we had Banks, which is our seven-year-old, that I feel like is our seven-year-old, that I feel like is our seven-year-old, that I feel like I really like could settle in to the I really like could settle in to the I really like could settle in to the relationship when I realized like the relationship when I realized like the relationship when I realized like the kind of parents we were and how we were kind of parents we were and how we were kind of parents we were and how we were doing as parents together. I really doing as parents together. I really doing as parents together. I really remember like just feeling like my remember like just feeling like my remember like just feeling like my shoulders could be like and it was shoulders could be like and it was shoulders could be like and it was really like really a nice weight off. really like really a nice weight off. really like really a nice weight off. Um, and then like our relationship from Um, and then like our relationship from Um, and then like our relationship from there continued to just be there continued to just be there continued to just be like emotional shelter, you know, like emotional shelter, you know, like emotional shelter, you know, instead of instead of instead of dramatic, like craving those younger dramatic, like craving those younger dramatic, like craving those younger dramatic highs and lows and just feeling dramatic highs and lows and just feeling dramatic highs and lows and just feeling better in the like steady, better in the like steady, better in the like steady, >> which also comes with challenges. And I >> which also comes with challenges. And I >> which also comes with challenges. And I talk about those challenges a lot on talk about those challenges a lot on talk about those challenges a lot on luck or something. It's nice to be where luck or something. It's nice to be where luck or something. It's nice to be where we are right now and know that some of we are right now and know that some of we are right now and know that some of those highs and lows feel like a those highs and lows feel like a those highs and lows feel like a snapshot of a time frame instead of a snapshot of a time frame instead of a snapshot of a time frame instead of a continual struggle. continual struggle. continual struggle. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> On eBay, every find has a story. Like if >> On eBay, every find has a story. Like if >> On eBay, every find has a story. Like if you're looking for a vintage band tea, you're looking for a vintage band tea, you're looking for a vintage band tea, not just a tea, the band tea from the not just a tea, the band tea from the not just a tea, the band tea from the last show your favorite band ever last show your favorite band ever last show your favorite band ever played. You wore it everywhere. Then played. You wore it everywhere. Then played. 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I love what you said about that feeling I love what you said about that feeling I love what you said about that feeling that I think we all go through when you that I think we all go through when you that I think we all go through when you find your person. I've been with my wife find your person. I've been with my wife find your person. I've been with my wife for 13 years now. I'm married for 10. for 13 years now. I'm married for 10. for 13 years now. I'm married for 10. >> Congrats. >> Congrats. >> Congrats. >> Thank you. And yeah, it's our 10th >> Thank you. And yeah, it's our 10th >> Thank you. And yeah, it's our 10th wedding anniversary this year. And so wedding anniversary this year. And so wedding anniversary this year. And so it's really exciting to celebrate. Like it's really exciting to celebrate. Like it's really exciting to celebrate. Like when when I think about it that way, when when I think about it that way, when when I think about it that way, it's like it's I love what you said it's like it's I love what you said it's like it's I love what you said about this point that when you first about this point that when you first about this point that when you first meet someone who actually loves you and meet someone who actually loves you and meet someone who actually loves you and is kind to you and is kind to you and is kind to you and >> it's really hard to accept. >> it's really hard to accept. >> it's really hard to accept. >> It's really hard to accept both based on >> It's really hard to accept both based on >> It's really hard to accept both based on how others have treated us and how we've how others have treated us and how we've how others have treated us and how we've treated ourselves. Feel like it's a mix treated ourselves. Feel like it's a mix treated ourselves. Feel like it's a mix of both of those experiences. of both of those experiences. of both of those experiences. >> I agree with that. >> I agree with that. >> I agree with that. >> Right. Like it's almost like you're >> Right. Like it's almost like you're >> Right. Like it's almost like you're wrestling with it. I don't know. Is how wrestling with it. I don't know. Is how wrestling with it. I don't know. Is how I've felt before in the past. Is that I've felt before in the past. Is that I've felt before in the past. Is that how you describe it? How would you how you describe it? How would you how you describe it? How would you describe it? describe it? describe it? >> Yeah. Yeah. And you want to like poke >> Yeah. Yeah. And you want to like poke >> Yeah. Yeah. And you want to like poke holes in it holes in it holes in it >> to make sure it's like steady enough, >> to make sure it's like steady enough, >> to make sure it's like steady enough, you know? you know? you know? >> That's what I felt like I was doing. I >> That's what I felt like I was doing. I >> That's what I felt like I was doing. I think it added an extra pressure that I think it added an extra pressure that I think it added an extra pressure that I had a child already had a child already had a child already >> and like I didn't want to expose him to >> and like I didn't want to expose him to >> and like I didn't want to expose him to something that wasn't like for sure something that wasn't like for sure something that wasn't like for sure going to stick and work out for me. going to stick and work out for me. going to stick and work out for me. Yeah. I mean, I'm just feel so settled Yeah. I mean, I'm just feel so settled Yeah. I mean, I'm just feel so settled in a good way. Like so happy that I I'm in a good way. Like so happy that I I'm in a good way. Like so happy that I I'm like, God, your intuition works and it's like, God, your intuition works and it's like, God, your intuition works and it's good. good. good. Because it is really it is to commit Because it is really it is to commit Because it is really it is to commit your life to someone is a very big your life to someone is a very big your life to someone is a very big choice. choice. choice. >> Yeah. It's only after you do it and you >> Yeah. It's only after you do it and you >> Yeah. It's only after you do it and you spend a few years together you realize spend a few years together you realize spend a few years together you realize how big it is. how big it is. how big it is. >> Like I was like when I made that >> Like I was like when I made that >> Like I was like when I made that commitment I actually don't think I had commitment I actually don't think I had commitment I actually don't think I had a clue what that commitment meant. a clue what that commitment meant. a clue what that commitment meant. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> And then years later you're like, "Oh, >> And then years later you're like, "Oh, >> And then years later you're like, "Oh, okay. Now I'm actually living that okay. Now I'm actually living that okay. Now I'm actually living that commitment." Yes. commitment." Yes. commitment." Yes. >> When I made it that day on my wedding >> When I made it that day on my wedding >> When I made it that day on my wedding day, it was kind of just like day, it was kind of just like day, it was kind of just like >> it was it felt natural. It felt real, >> it was it felt natural. It felt real, >> it was it felt natural. It felt real, but I almost hadn't really experienced but I almost hadn't really experienced but I almost hadn't really experienced what it meant to say that, what it meant to say that, what it meant to say that, >> if that makes any sense. >> if that makes any sense. >> if that makes any sense. >> How old were you when you got married? >> How old were you when you got married? >> How old were you when you got married? >> We were I was 28 >> We were I was 28 >> We were I was 28 >> and my wife was 25. And so >> and my wife was 25. And so >> and my wife was 25. And so >> So pretty young. >> So pretty young. >> So pretty young. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty >> I wonder if it's like that by design. >> I wonder if it's like that by design. >> I wonder if it's like that by design. >> Yeah. What do you mean? Like >> Yeah. What do you mean? Like >> Yeah. What do you mean? Like >> cuz marriage is like so hard and it's >> cuz marriage is like so hard and it's >> cuz marriage is like so hard and it's such a big choice that I wonder if you such a big choice that I wonder if you such a big choice that I wonder if you do it like at a slightly younger stage do it like at a slightly younger stage do it like at a slightly younger stage of your life or else you wouldn't do it of your life or else you wouldn't do it of your life or else you wouldn't do it cuz it's such like a crazy cuz it's such like a crazy cuz it's such like a crazy >> That's a good point. It's such a crazy >> That's a good point. It's such a crazy >> That's a good point. It's such a crazy thing to to commit. thing to to commit. thing to to commit. >> It is. It is. Yeah. Me and my wife had >> It is. It is. Yeah. Me and my wife had >> It is. It is. Yeah. Me and my wife had talked about that before. I feel like it talked about that before. I feel like it talked about that before. I feel like it was older compared to people we knew was older compared to people we knew was older compared to people we knew back in London. So, we got married late. back in London. So, we got married late. back in London. So, we got married late. >> Oh, you did. >> Oh, you did. >> Oh, you did. >> Compared to a lot of our friends who got >> Compared to a lot of our friends who got >> Compared to a lot of our friends who got married very early. married very early. married very early. >> Then you guys moved to LA and you're >> Then you guys moved to LA and you're >> Then you guys moved to LA and you're like, "Oh, no one's married yet." like, "Oh, no one's married yet." like, "Oh, no one's married yet." >> Exactly. Then we moved in like, "Oh, >> Exactly. Then we moved in like, "Oh, >> Exactly. Then we moved in like, "Oh, wait. There's no rules. This is great." wait. There's no rules. This is great." wait. There's no rules. This is great." Like, you know, we got friends like Like, you know, we got friends like Like, you know, we got friends like marrying at 40, having kids at 40. Like, marrying at 40, having kids at 40. Like, marrying at 40, having kids at 40. Like, no one cares. And And it was nice. It no one cares. And And it was nice. It no one cares. And And it was nice. It was refreshing actually from coming from was refreshing actually from coming from was refreshing actually from coming from a culture where people were getting a culture where people were getting a culture where people were getting married at 22, 23, 24, 25 and being able married at 22, 23, 24, 25 and being able married at 22, 23, 24, 25 and being able to have that have that space and to have that have that space and to have that have that space and >> uh but we've talked about that many >> uh but we've talked about that many >> uh but we've talked about that many times where we're like, "Oh my gosh, times where we're like, "Oh my gosh, times where we're like, "Oh my gosh, we've grown so much." And my wife we've grown so much." And my wife we've grown so much." And my wife especially, she feels like she's been so especially, she feels like she's been so especially, she feels like she's been so many different versions of herself many different versions of herself many different versions of herself >> in the last 13 years that >> in the last 13 years that >> in the last 13 years that >> it's amazing and speaks volumes of your >> it's amazing and speaks volumes of your >> it's amazing and speaks volumes of your relationship that she could be so many relationship that she could be so many relationship that she could be so many versions of herself in a marriage. versions of herself in a marriage. versions of herself in a marriage. >> Do you know what I mean? Like take on >> Do you know what I mean? Like take on >> Do you know what I mean? Like take on you said lots of different versions of you said lots of different versions of you said lots of different versions of herself. It's very hard to like grow. I herself. It's very hard to like grow. I herself. It's very hard to like grow. I think think think >> a lot of the growth that I did outside >> a lot of the growth that I did outside >> a lot of the growth that I did outside of motherhood of motherhood of motherhood >> happened before I was in a relationship >> happened before I was in a relationship >> happened before I was in a relationship or in between being in a relationship or in between being in a relationship or in between being in a relationship which is like kind of just being alone which is like kind of just being alone which is like kind of just being alone with yourself. with yourself. with yourself. >> Yeah. Right. So basically you're saying >> Yeah. Right. So basically you're saying >> Yeah. Right. So basically you're saying that I must be amazing because I'm so that I must be amazing because I'm so that I must be amazing because I'm so patient and so flexible and like patient and so flexible and like patient and so flexible and like >> I didn't want to like pump the ego just >> I didn't want to like pump the ego just >> I didn't want to like pump the ego just like Thank you. like Thank you. like Thank you. >> That was what I was getting at. >> That was what I was getting at. >> That was what I was getting at. >> Yeah. My wife's just so lucky that I've >> Yeah. My wife's just so lucky that I've >> Yeah. My wife's just so lucky that I've been like so patient. It's been the been like so patient. It's been the been like so patient. It's been the other way around on many, many other way around on many, many other way around on many, many occasions. But marriage is so hard. It occasions. But marriage is so hard. It occasions. But marriage is so hard. It is so hard to grow with someone. It is is so hard to grow with someone. It is is so hard to grow with someone. It is so hard to continue to grow. It's so so hard to continue to grow. It's so so hard to continue to grow. It's so hard to grow at a different pace. It's hard to grow at a different pace. It's hard to grow at a different pace. It's so hard to grow at so hard to grow at so hard to grow at >> opposite paces sometimes. It feels like >> opposite paces sometimes. It feels like >> opposite paces sometimes. It feels like and and and >> what what would you say you the biggest >> what what would you say you the biggest >> what what would you say you the biggest lessons you took away from your first lessons you took away from your first lessons you took away from your first marriage that really have helped you in marriage that really have helped you in marriage that really have helped you in that healing transition? I don't love to that healing transition? I don't love to that healing transition? I don't love to talk about this too much talk about this too much talk about this too much >> um because >> um because >> um because you know I felt like in that time of my you know I felt like in that time of my you know I felt like in that time of my life I was so ready to get married. I life I was so ready to get married. I life I was so ready to get married. I was in something that I really adored. was in something that I really adored. was in something that I really adored. >> I was ready to have a baby. I was ready >> I was ready to have a baby. I was ready >> I was ready to have a baby. I was ready to have something of my own, to have something of my own, to have something of my own, >> you know, that I could just like focus >> you know, that I could just like focus >> you know, that I could just like focus on and it be mine. And like on and it be mine. And like on and it be mine. And like >> my life felt out of my hands a little >> my life felt out of my hands a little >> my life felt out of my hands a little bit at that moment and I just wanted to bit at that moment and I just wanted to bit at that moment and I just wanted to like shrink it. M like shrink it. M like shrink it. M >> I've been pretty open about, you know, >> I've been pretty open about, you know, >> I've been pretty open about, you know, being a divorced person and what that's being a divorced person and what that's being a divorced person and what that's like and being a single mom and being, like and being a single mom and being, like and being a single mom and being, you know, kind of like choosing to like you know, kind of like choosing to like you know, kind of like choosing to like end a family is a huge horrible choice end a family is a huge horrible choice end a family is a huge horrible choice to make. to make. to make. >> But I also co-parent that with with that >> But I also co-parent that with with that >> But I also co-parent that with with that person and we do a great job mostly. person and we do a great job mostly. person and we do a great job mostly. Sometimes there's bumps Sometimes there's bumps Sometimes there's bumps >> and frustrations, but again, es and >> and frustrations, but again, es and >> and frustrations, but again, es and flows, right? But like we adore this flows, right? But like we adore this flows, right? But like we adore this person that we created and we do a great person that we created and we do a great person that we created and we do a great job. This is like before, you know, job. This is like before, you know, job. This is like before, you know, conscious uncoupling was like a coined a conscious uncoupling was like a coined a conscious uncoupling was like a coined a term and we really tried to do that. I term and we really tried to do that. I term and we really tried to do that. I really tried to do that. really tried to do that. really tried to do that. >> Like you just grow. >> Like you just grow. >> Like you just grow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I think I did. >> And I think I did. >> And I think I did. >> You you strike me as someone who like >> You you strike me as someone who like >> You you strike me as someone who like follows your intuition. You even said it follows your intuition. You even said it follows your intuition. You even said it earlier when you were talking about your earlier when you were talking about your earlier when you were talking about your current relationship. You're like, I'm current relationship. You're like, I'm current relationship. You're like, I'm so glad my intuition was right. so glad my intuition was right. so glad my intuition was right. >> And then I was like, and the album's >> And then I was like, and the album's >> And then I was like, and the album's called Luck or something. And so I called Luck or something. And so I called Luck or something. And so I wanted to ask you what's what's the wanted to ask you what's what's the wanted to ask you what's what's the relationship between intuition and luck relationship between intuition and luck relationship between intuition and luck and has your career and journey and even and has your career and journey and even and has your career and journey and even this inspiration behind this album how this inspiration behind this album how this inspiration behind this album how much of it has been luck and how much of much of it has been luck and how much of much of it has been luck and how much of it's been intuition. it's been intuition. it's been intuition. >> I think a lot of it has been intuition >> I think a lot of it has been intuition >> I think a lot of it has been intuition and I think that's falls under the and I think that's falls under the and I think that's falls under the category of the or something part of it category of the or something part of it category of the or something part of it where I'm like actually I deserve some where I'm like actually I deserve some where I'm like actually I deserve some credit here. credit here. credit here. >> I feel incredibly lucky. I don't know >> I feel incredibly lucky. I don't know >> I feel incredibly lucky. I don't know why me. But I do know that I've also why me. But I do know that I've also why me. But I do know that I've also worked really hard and I know that I've worked really hard and I know that I've worked really hard and I know that I've had to had to had to go through a lot. The title is pretty go through a lot. The title is pretty go through a lot. The title is pretty loaded and can mean a whole and does loaded and can mean a whole and does loaded and can mean a whole and does mean a whole bunch of different things mean a whole bunch of different things mean a whole bunch of different things to me like what I just said, but also to me like what I just said, but also to me like what I just said, but also >> it's a koi way of like responding to a >> it's a koi way of like responding to a >> it's a koi way of like responding to a question I'm constantly asked which is question I'm constantly asked which is question I'm constantly asked which is like how are you so normal? How did you like how are you so normal? How did you like how are you so normal? How did you get through this? And I'm like get through this? And I'm like get through this? And I'm like >> luck or something. >> luck or something. >> luck or something. >> Yeah, got it. Yeah. >> Yeah, got it. Yeah. >> Yeah, got it. Yeah. >> But I think the the or something is the >> But I think the the or something is the >> But I think the the or something is the real weighted portion. It's good when real weighted portion. It's good when real weighted portion. It's good when you think you're lucky and everyone else you think you're lucky and everyone else you think you're lucky and everyone else realizes it was hard work. realizes it was hard work. realizes it was hard work. >> That's kind of what I think is like the >> That's kind of what I think is like the >> That's kind of what I think is like the accurate assessment. Anyone that I know accurate assessment. Anyone that I know accurate assessment. Anyone that I know that I believe has achieved something that I believe has achieved something that I believe has achieved something amazing. And when I say achieved amazing. And when I say achieved amazing. And when I say achieved something amazing, I think it's it could something amazing, I think it's it could something amazing, I think it's it could be being grounded in a difficult be being grounded in a difficult be being grounded in a difficult industry. It could be industry. It could be industry. It could be >> something athletically successful like >> something athletically successful like >> something athletically successful like whatever you define as greatness or whatever you define as greatness or whatever you define as greatness or success or winning. It's the problem success or winning. It's the problem success or winning. It's the problem becomes when everyone else views it as becomes when everyone else views it as becomes when everyone else views it as lucky and lucky and lucky and >> you know you view it as hard work and >> you know you view it as hard work and >> you know you view it as hard work and it's like beautiful when like you said I it's like beautiful when like you said I it's like beautiful when like you said I see myself as lucky. like I I don't know see myself as lucky. like I I don't know see myself as lucky. like I I don't know why me. Like that's beautiful. And then why me. Like that's beautiful. And then why me. Like that's beautiful. And then if if we can but it's always the other if if we can but it's always the other if if we can but it's always the other way around. It's almost like yeah people way around. It's almost like yeah people way around. It's almost like yeah people like to think I got asked that the other like to think I got asked that the other like to think I got asked that the other day. I was asked someone was asking me day. I was asked someone was asking me day. I was asked someone was asking me in an interview like why do you think in an interview like why do you think in an interview like why do you think people listen to you and why do they people listen to you and why do they people listen to you and why do they connect with you? And I was like to be connect with you? And I was like to be connect with you? And I was like to be honest I always struggle with that honest I always struggle with that honest I always struggle with that question because I feel really grateful question because I feel really grateful question because I feel really grateful and fortunate that anyone even cares to and fortunate that anyone even cares to and fortunate that anyone even cares to listen to me. I remember speaking to listen to me. I remember speaking to listen to me. I remember speaking to rooms of like three people and so I feel rooms of like three people and so I feel rooms of like three people and so I feel completely humbled by where it's gone. completely humbled by where it's gone. completely humbled by where it's gone. And then I was like at at the same time And then I was like at at the same time And then I was like at at the same time like I think it's because I've been like I think it's because I've been like I think it's because I've been doing this for a long time. I've done it doing this for a long time. I've done it doing this for a long time. I've done it for longer offline than I have online. for longer offline than I have online. for longer offline than I have online. >> Yeah. Like honestly when I zoom out and >> Yeah. Like honestly when I zoom out and >> Yeah. Like honestly when I zoom out and like it would be hard for you to answer like it would be hard for you to answer like it would be hard for you to answer this way but I'm like probably because this way but I'm like probably because this way but I'm like probably because you're smart. You know what I mean? you're smart. You know what I mean? you're smart. You know what I mean? Probably because you're smart. Probably Probably because you're smart. Probably Probably because you're smart. Probably because I think that you have a gift and because I think that you have a gift and because I think that you have a gift and you can connect with people. I feel like you can connect with people. I feel like you can connect with people. I feel like I have a similar gift like that. like I have a similar gift like that. like I have a similar gift like that. like some for some reason I resonate with some for some reason I resonate with some for some reason I resonate with people in a certain way and but like you people in a certain way and but like you people in a certain way and but like you have to take credit for what you build have to take credit for what you build have to take credit for what you build >> and you also can feel lucky >> and you also can feel lucky >> and you also can feel lucky >> and you also can feel immense gratitude >> and you also can feel immense gratitude >> and you also can feel immense gratitude and and and >> you know how did I get here um feelings >> you know how did I get here um feelings >> you know how did I get here um feelings but like you're also smart but like you're also smart but like you're also smart >> and you're good at what you do. >> and you're good at what you do. >> and you're good at what you do. >> That's very sweet. I appreciate that. I >> That's very sweet. I appreciate that. I >> That's very sweet. I appreciate that. I I I appreciate coming from you, but I I I I appreciate coming from you, but I I I I appreciate coming from you, but I I like what you're saying about the idea like what you're saying about the idea like what you're saying about the idea of all the these things can coexist of all the these things can coexist of all the these things can coexist >> and that's why I like the luck or >> and that's why I like the luck or >> and that's why I like the luck or something. something. something. >> I think you're so right. Like we're >> I think you're so right. Like we're >> I think you're so right. Like we're allowed to feel all of these emotions allowed to feel all of these emotions allowed to feel all of these emotions like there's pride, there's gratitude, like there's pride, there's gratitude, like there's pride, there's gratitude, there's luck, there's intuition, there's there's luck, there's intuition, there's there's luck, there's intuition, there's there's and confusion even still and and there's and confusion even still and and there's and confusion even still and and andsecurities andsecurities andsecurities and and everything. And it's almost like and and everything. And it's almost like and and everything. And it's almost like when we're forced to be like tell me the when we're forced to be like tell me the when we're forced to be like tell me the one thing that changed your life and one thing that changed your life and one thing that changed your life and you're like luck or something. Yeah. you're like luck or something. Yeah. you're like luck or something. Yeah. It's like yeah, it's like luck or It's like yeah, it's like luck or It's like yeah, it's like luck or something is the new new answer now. something is the new new answer now. something is the new new answer now. That's what I'm going to use every time That's what I'm going to use every time That's what I'm going to use every time I ask you. I'm going to Yeah. If I I'm I ask you. I'm going to Yeah. If I I'm I ask you. I'm going to Yeah. If I I'm going to use it now. I'm going to going to use it now. I'm going to going to use it now. I'm going to encourage lots of people to use it encourage lots of people to use it encourage lots of people to use it because because because >> Yeah. And and I honestly I we've only >> Yeah. And and I honestly I we've only >> Yeah. And and I honestly I we've only met briefly, but like the the impact met briefly, but like the the impact met briefly, but like the the impact you've had on people proves that there's you've had on people proves that there's you've had on people proves that there's so much hard work, so much talent, such so much hard work, so much talent, such so much hard work, so much talent, such a gift, like so much, you know, because a gift, like so much, you know, because a gift, like so much, you know, because you you can't have that people grow up you you can't have that people grow up you you can't have that people grow up watching a lot of people. It doesn't watching a lot of people. It doesn't watching a lot of people. It doesn't mean that you carry that same impact. mean that you carry that same impact. mean that you carry that same impact. So, same back at you. And uh it's um So, same back at you. And uh it's um So, same back at you. And uh it's um yeah, it's it's something that's very yeah, it's it's something that's very yeah, it's it's something that's very visceral in in anyone that's followed visceral in in anyone that's followed visceral in in anyone that's followed you for a long time. I wanted to jump you for a long time. I wanted to jump you for a long time. I wanted to jump into your album because I've been into your album because I've been into your album because I've been getting to listen to it, which I've getting to listen to it, which I've getting to listen to it, which I've really enjoyed, which has been so really enjoyed, which has been so really enjoyed, which has been so wonderful for me. And I'm I'm very deep wonderful for me. And I'm I'm very deep wonderful for me. And I'm I'm very deep into because I love words and I love into because I love words and I love into because I love words and I love spoken word. I love poetry. I love I I spoken word. I love poetry. I love I I spoken word. I love poetry. I love I I took out some lyrics that really I felt took out some lyrics that really I felt took out some lyrics that really I felt were beautiful and powerful. So I may were beautiful and powerful. So I may were beautiful and powerful. So I may read your own lyrics back to you. I read your own lyrics back to you. I read your own lyrics back to you. I can't I can't sing them back to you can't I can't sing them back to you can't I can't sing them back to you because I can't sing to save my life but because I can't sing to save my life but because I can't sing to save my life but but I may read them back to you. But um but I may read them back to you. But um but I may read them back to you. But um I wanted to ask you about this one. So I wanted to ask you about this one. So I wanted to ask you about this one. So you say in your song Weather for Tennis. you say in your song Weather for Tennis. you say in your song Weather for Tennis. You write or you sing. I'm a seasoned You write or you sing. I'm a seasoned You write or you sing. I'm a seasoned apologist for the people who I love. I'm apologist for the people who I love. I'm apologist for the people who I love. I'm an amateur psychologist. The key to an amateur psychologist. The key to an amateur psychologist. The key to everyone's handcuffs. Keep the peace cuz everyone's handcuffs. Keep the peace cuz everyone's handcuffs. Keep the peace cuz I'm a kid of divorce and you're the I'm a kid of divorce and you're the I'm a kid of divorce and you're the starter of wars and there's no winning starter of wars and there's no winning starter of wars and there's no winning in yours. in yours. in yours. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Where does that show up in your life >> Where does that show up in your life >> Where does that show up in your life today? Like where where did that come today? Like where where did that come today? Like where where did that come from and where does it show up? I think from and where does it show up? I think from and where does it show up? I think it's talking about being the person who it's talking about being the person who it's talking about being the person who smooths over and makes everything right smooths over and makes everything right smooths over and makes everything right and extends themselves and continues to and extends themselves and continues to and extends themselves and continues to show up and um try to make things easy show up and um try to make things easy show up and um try to make things easy for everyone. And you're talking about for everyone. And you're talking about for everyone. And you're talking about being in a relationship that is going to being in a relationship that is going to being in a relationship that is going to keep playing a game. And keep playing a game. And keep playing a game. And you know towards the end of the song you you know towards the end of the song you you know towards the end of the song you finally realize like I'm going to put an finally realize like I'm going to put an finally realize like I'm going to put an end to this. The message behind it is a end to this. The message behind it is a end to this. The message behind it is a feeling that a lot of people can relate feeling that a lot of people can relate feeling that a lot of people can relate to of just to of just to of just it's exhausting to to keep up always it's exhausting to to keep up always it's exhausting to to keep up always being the one to make things right or to being the one to make things right or to being the one to make things right or to carry the burden or to make the call or carry the burden or to make the call or carry the burden or to make the call or to stay the bigger person and keeping to stay the bigger person and keeping to stay the bigger person and keeping the peace cuz you're a kid of divorce is the peace cuz you're a kid of divorce is the peace cuz you're a kid of divorce is obviously very relatable. People don't obviously very relatable. People don't obviously very relatable. People don't need too much explaining on that one. I need too much explaining on that one. I need too much explaining on that one. I think it's definitely a role that I play think it's definitely a role that I play think it's definitely a role that I play in in my life and um Matt had this in in my life and um Matt had this in in my life and um Matt had this amazing amazing amazing idea for the song. We we started playing idea for the song. We we started playing idea for the song. We we started playing tennis together and I think that it was tennis together and I think that it was tennis together and I think that it was definitely inspired by just like the definitely inspired by just like the definitely inspired by just like the game of tennis and kind of applying it game of tennis and kind of applying it game of tennis and kind of applying it to a relationship, a romantic to a relationship, a romantic to a relationship, a romantic relationship that's probably not going relationship that's probably not going relationship that's probably not going to work out. to work out. to work out. >> Expand on that further with the tennis >> Expand on that further with the tennis >> Expand on that further with the tennis analogy for me. analogy for me. analogy for me. >> The chorus is >> The chorus is >> The chorus is if it ain't the weather for tennis then if it ain't the weather for tennis then if it ain't the weather for tennis then I guess we can argue until dinner time. I guess we can argue until dinner time. I guess we can argue until dinner time. M M M >> so it's just kind of about a game being >> so it's just kind of about a game being >> so it's just kind of about a game being played played played >> and a cycle that is constantly like >> and a cycle that is constantly like >> and a cycle that is constantly like repeating repeating repeating >> right before we started writing the >> right before we started writing the >> right before we started writing the record together maybe a year before record together maybe a year before record together maybe a year before >> uh I was like if we're going to last the >> uh I was like if we're going to last the >> uh I was like if we're going to last the long haul we need sport we need to like long haul we need sport we need to like long haul we need sport we need to like learn how to play a sport together and learn how to play a sport together and learn how to play a sport together and so we picked up tennis and I also forced so we picked up tennis and I also forced so we picked up tennis and I also forced him to learn how to ski which is like him to learn how to ski which is like him to learn how to ski which is like one of his favorite things to do now and one of his favorite things to do now and one of his favorite things to do now and we love to ski but um I think that I we love to ski but um I think that I we love to ski but um I think that I think the chorus was inspired think the chorus was inspired think the chorus was inspired for him because we had started playing for him because we had started playing for him because we had started playing the game of tennis. the game of tennis. the game of tennis. >> I think you're spot on. I think so many >> I think you're spot on. I think so many >> I think you're spot on. I think so many kids can feel like they were the kids can feel like they were the kids can feel like they were the peacemaker in their family. peacemaker in their family. peacemaker in their family. >> I know plenty of people who've gone to >> I know plenty of people who've gone to >> I know plenty of people who've gone to therapy or talked about that with me and therapy or talked about that with me and therapy or talked about that with me and this idea of just they were the one this idea of just they were the one this idea of just they were the one trying to like calm everyone down and trying to like calm everyone down and trying to like calm everyone down and and people have different versions of and people have different versions of and people have different versions of this, right? Like you meet comedians who this, right? Like you meet comedians who this, right? Like you meet comedians who did it through making everyone laugh and did it through making everyone laugh and did it through making everyone laugh and then that that becomes their journey and then that that becomes their journey and then that that becomes their journey and that's a very on then example, but all that's a very on then example, but all that's a very on then example, but all of us have played some sort of role of of us have played some sort of role of of us have played some sort of role of being mediators. I I often feel is that being mediators. I I often feel is that being mediators. I I often feel is that I do what I do today because I mediated I do what I do today because I mediated I do what I do today because I mediated my parents' marriage growing up. my parents' marriage growing up. my parents' marriage growing up. >> So I was the kid who was like at 10 >> So I was the kid who was like at 10 >> So I was the kid who was like at 10 years old like listening to both sides years old like listening to both sides years old like listening to both sides and helping them connect and trying to and helping them connect and trying to and helping them connect and trying to find the the points at which they could find the the points at which they could find the the points at which they could relate to each other and and I don't relate to each other and and I don't relate to each other and and I don't regret doing that. I'm actually very regret doing that. I'm actually very regret doing that. I'm actually very happy I did that. It gave me great happy I did that. It gave me great happy I did that. It gave me great skills for life. skills for life. skills for life. >> My parents divorced when I was around 18 >> My parents divorced when I was around 18 >> My parents divorced when I was around 18 and I feel like that was a really and I feel like that was a really and I feel like that was a really >> hard time. Um because I was like kind of >> hard time. Um because I was like kind of >> hard time. Um because I was like kind of an adult and then you like have a you're an adult and then you like have a you're an adult and then you like have a you're like did they just stay together to get like did they just stay together to get like did they just stay together to get us to this point and now you have guilt us to this point and now you have guilt us to this point and now you have guilt that they were like unhappy or just like that they were like unhappy or just like that they were like unhappy or just like so many different things. so many different things. so many different things. >> I gave up being the peacemaker of it >> I gave up being the peacemaker of it >> I gave up being the peacemaker of it when I uh became around 21. So I I when I uh became around 21. So I I when I uh became around 21. So I I remember that time vividly in my life remember that time vividly in my life remember that time vividly in my life where I was where I was where I was >> What did that feel like giving that up? >> What did that feel like giving that up? >> What did that feel like giving that up? Making the choice to be like I'm not Making the choice to be like I'm not Making the choice to be like I'm not doing that anymore. Oh, it was tough doing that anymore. Oh, it was tough doing that anymore. Oh, it was tough because there were certain members of my because there were certain members of my because there were certain members of my family that felt that I was giving up my family that felt that I was giving up my family that felt that I was giving up my responsibility responsibility responsibility >> and you're like this actually wasn't my >> and you're like this actually wasn't my >> and you're like this actually wasn't my job in the first place. job in the first place. job in the first place. >> Correct. And so, so that was the I >> Correct. And so, so that was the I >> Correct. And so, so that was the I remember that being the tension where I remember that being the tension where I remember that being the tension where I was like, I love my parents. I'm was like, I love my parents. I'm was like, I love my parents. I'm grateful for everything they've given grateful for everything they've given grateful for everything they've given me. I'm really valuable and I wouldn't me. I'm really valuable and I wouldn't me. I'm really valuable and I wouldn't be who I am today if I didn't have this be who I am today if I didn't have this be who I am today if I didn't have this situation that I grew up in. Um, but I situation that I grew up in. Um, but I situation that I grew up in. Um, but I think now's the time that I've spent think now's the time that I've spent think now's the time that I've spent however many. Obviously, I didn't start however many. Obviously, I didn't start however many. Obviously, I didn't start meeting when I was 4 years old, but I've meeting when I was 4 years old, but I've meeting when I was 4 years old, but I've spent whatever 10 years of my life spent whatever 10 years of my life spent whatever 10 years of my life trying to figure this out, and I'm not trying to figure this out, and I'm not trying to figure this out, and I'm not capable. So, there's a part of me that capable. So, there's a part of me that capable. So, there's a part of me that felt like a failure. There's part of me felt like a failure. There's part of me felt like a failure. There's part of me that felt like uh, you know, like that I that felt like uh, you know, like that I that felt like uh, you know, like that I was right, and I was free to give up the was right, and I was free to give up the was right, and I was free to give up the media, the peace part that you're media, the peace part that you're media, the peace part that you're talking about, talking about, talking about, >> but I think that's what's so interesting >> but I think that's what's so interesting >> but I think that's what's so interesting is that I gave up that responsibility at is that I gave up that responsibility at is that I gave up that responsibility at 21 even though I saw the decision at 10. 21 even though I saw the decision at 10. 21 even though I saw the decision at 10. But did you ever get answers to your But did you ever get answers to your But did you ever get answers to your wise in your questions or was that wise in your questions or was that wise in your questions or was that something that you kind of found on your something that you kind of found on your something that you kind of found on your own? I think it was really hard for them own? I think it was really hard for them own? I think it was really hard for them to like be honest with each other and to like be honest with each other and to like be honest with each other and there was a lot of like fighting and it there was a lot of like fighting and it there was a lot of like fighting and it wasn't like they could hang out and be wasn't like they could hang out and be wasn't like they could hang out and be in the same room and so when it came for in the same room and so when it came for in the same room and so when it came for me getting divorced I was like I'm not me getting divorced I was like I'm not me getting divorced I was like I'm not going to have that. going to have that. going to have that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We're going to be like do holidays >> We're going to be like do holidays >> We're going to be like do holidays together as much as we can and not that together as much as we can and not that together as much as we can and not that it was always easy but it felt way it was always easy but it felt way it was always easy but it felt way easier than the alternative. easier than the alternative. easier than the alternative. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> You know. >> You know. >> Yeah. Yeah. For sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. For sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. For sure. >> So yeah. I don't I don't My dad and I >> So yeah. I don't I don't My dad and I >> So yeah. I don't I don't My dad and I don't really have much of a relationship don't really have much of a relationship don't really have much of a relationship and we don't speak very often. It's hard and we don't speak very often. It's hard and we don't speak very often. It's hard because I think there's not a whole because I think there's not a whole because I think there's not a whole bunch of answers and it's you kind of bunch of answers and it's you kind of bunch of answers and it's you kind of hear one side and then try to take from hear one side and then try to take from hear one side and then try to take from it what you believe and then you know it what you believe and then you know it what you believe and then you know the same on the other and I I it's the same on the other and I I it's the same on the other and I I it's really it's really hard I think if a really it's really hard I think if a really it's really hard I think if a family breaks apart very dramatically. family breaks apart very dramatically. family breaks apart very dramatically. It's hard to find your way back uh It's hard to find your way back uh It's hard to find your way back uh sometimes and some people want to and sometimes and some people want to and sometimes and some people want to and some people don't. some people don't. some people don't. >> Yeah. It's I feel like as the older you >> Yeah. It's I feel like as the older you >> Yeah. It's I feel like as the older you get, you realize you've got to answer get, you realize you've got to answer get, you realize you've got to answer the questions yourself and find the questions yourself and find the questions yourself and find >> you've got to kind of find the full stop >> you've got to kind of find the full stop >> you've got to kind of find the full stop by yourself. Kind of like the point that by yourself. Kind of like the point that by yourself. Kind of like the point that you're making in this lyric of just you're making in this lyric of just you're making in this lyric of just >> I've decided I'm not taking on this >> I've decided I'm not taking on this >> I've decided I'm not taking on this responsibility in whatever in whatever responsibility in whatever in whatever responsibility in whatever in whatever way you played it. way you played it. way you played it. >> Do you do you feel sometimes do you feel >> Do you do you feel sometimes do you feel >> Do you do you feel sometimes do you feel free of it or is it is it always like free of it or is it is it always like free of it or is it is it always like something that something that something that >> once you played that role, you're always >> once you played that role, you're always >> once you played that role, you're always kind of conditioned to play that role? kind of conditioned to play that role? kind of conditioned to play that role? >> I do. I think it's a little bit like >> I do. I think it's a little bit like >> I do. I think it's a little bit like muscle memory where you muscle memory where you muscle memory where you >> lean on it and then you have to remember >> lean on it and then you have to remember >> lean on it and then you have to remember some of the through therapy or wherever some of the through therapy or wherever some of the through therapy or wherever you find your solace like you have to you find your solace like you have to you find your solace like you have to keep pushing those good habits or good keep pushing those good habits or good keep pushing those good habits or good things to say to yourself to cope and things to say to yourself to cope and things to say to yourself to cope and make different choices. make different choices. make different choices. >> It's almost like that conditioning pulls >> It's almost like that conditioning pulls >> It's almost like that conditioning pulls you back you back you back >> and then you've got to find this new >> and then you've got to find this new >> and then you've got to find this new thought process almost like learning new thought process almost like learning new thought process almost like learning new lines as an actor and going well lines as an actor and going well lines as an actor and going well >> this is the new life that I want to >> this is the new life that I want to >> this is the new life that I want to build. And even what you just said about build. And even what you just said about build. And even what you just said about how you knew that when you went through how you knew that when you went through how you knew that when you went through it, you didn't want to mirror some of it, you didn't want to mirror some of it, you didn't want to mirror some of those behaviors and you're like, "No, those behaviors and you're like, "No, those behaviors and you're like, "No, we're going to do we're going to do we're going to do we're going to do we're going to do we're going to do holidays together and we're going to holidays together and we're going to holidays together and we're going to change things because that is that change things because that is that change things because that is that muscle that is tearing away that muscle muscle that is tearing away that muscle muscle that is tearing away that muscle memory and going, I'm going to change memory and going, I'm going to change memory and going, I'm going to change it." it." it." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There's another um amazing lyric >> Yeah. There's another um amazing lyric >> Yeah. There's another um amazing lyric that I love that I took apart here. Um that I love that I took apart here. Um that I love that I took apart here. Um so this one. Okay. so this one. Okay. so this one. Okay. >> Don't tell me what song it's from. >> Don't tell me what song it's from. >> Don't tell me what song it's from. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I like to play a game. >> I like to play a game. >> I like to play a game. >> Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't know we Okay, >> Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't know we Okay, >> Oh, okay. Oh, I didn't know we Okay, fine. All right. If you want to play, we fine. All right. If you want to play, we fine. All right. If you want to play, we we're going to play some games later. we're going to play some games later. we're going to play some games later. So, So, So, >> we're we're get Okay, but you could I >> we're we're get Okay, but you could I >> we're we're get Okay, but you could I won't tell you what song it's from. won't tell you what song it's from. won't tell you what song it's from. >> Okay, so the first question will be, >> Okay, so the first question will be, >> Okay, so the first question will be, "What song is it from after I read it?" "What song is it from after I read it?" "What song is it from after I read it?" Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Okay. I like this. This is good. I >> Okay. I like this. This is good. I >> Okay. I like this. This is good. I should have done it like that. We come should have done it like that. We come should have done it like that. We come from the same home, the same blood, a from the same home, the same blood, a from the same home, the same blood, a different explanation of the same different explanation of the same different explanation of the same thought. People ask if I've seen you. thought. People ask if I've seen you. thought. People ask if I've seen you. And honestly, I hate it cuz the truth is And honestly, I hate it cuz the truth is And honestly, I hate it cuz the truth is that I need to, but there's no way to that I need to, but there's no way to that I need to, but there's no way to relay it. Not if we don't talk. relay it. Not if we don't talk. relay it. Not if we don't talk. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So that's from We Don't Talk. So that's from We Don't Talk. So that's from We Don't Talk. Um, Um, Um, and this is a hard one for me. this is a hard one for me. This is a really tough one. Um, Um, my sister and I don't speak. my sister and I don't speak. my sister and I don't speak. And And And I think in my adulthood, I think in my adulthood, I think in my adulthood, I've come across more and more people I've come across more and more people I've come across more and more people that are having this experience. And as painful as it feels to share, And as painful as it feels to share, when I decided to make this record, I when I decided to make this record, I when I decided to make this record, I could only talk about the things that I've gone through. like there would be I've gone through. like there would be no purpose to make a record after 10 no purpose to make a record after 10 no purpose to make a record after 10 years than to be years than to be years than to be than to face, you know, what it's been than to face, you know, what it's been than to face, you know, what it's been like. Um, like. Um, like. Um, so that's my truth that's my truth and I really worked hard to and I really worked hard to and I really worked hard to lyrically make sure that I'm just lyrically make sure that I'm just lyrically make sure that I'm just speaking about my experience. You know, speaking about my experience. You know, speaking about my experience. You know, >> it's very hard to be to be, you know, a >> it's very hard to be to be, you know, a >> it's very hard to be to be, you know, a person who's like had their life exposed person who's like had their life exposed person who's like had their life exposed in the industry for 25 years. And we in the industry for 25 years. And we in the industry for 25 years. And we were talking about, you know, that were talking about, you know, that were talking about, you know, that earlier, tiptoeing around kind of what earlier, tiptoeing around kind of what earlier, tiptoeing around kind of what the outcome has been for some of it. Um, the outcome has been for some of it. Um, the outcome has been for some of it. Um, but yeah, that is it's a very vulnerable but yeah, that is it's a very vulnerable but yeah, that is it's a very vulnerable song and it's a very raw part of my song and it's a very raw part of my song and it's a very raw part of my existence. existence. existence. Um, and I hope it's not forever, but Um, and I hope it's not forever, but Um, and I hope it's not forever, but it's for right now. it's for right now. it's for right now. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. >> Don't be sorry. There's a tissue there >> Don't be sorry. There's a tissue there >> Don't be sorry. There's a tissue there as well. Need it locked and loaded cuz as well. Need it locked and loaded cuz as well. Need it locked and loaded cuz this happens. this happens. this happens. >> Thank you for being so >> Thank you for being so >> Thank you for being so vulnerable and open with me because it's vulnerable and open with me because it's vulnerable and open with me because it's can't imagine how hard it is. can't imagine how hard it is. can't imagine how hard it is. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so sorry that you and her are going >> And so sorry that you and her are going >> And so sorry that you and her are going through that. I'm sure it's hard on you through that. I'm sure it's hard on you through that. I'm sure it's hard on you both in different ways. both in different ways. both in different ways. >> Totally. I agree with that. >> Totally. I agree with that. >> Totally. I agree with that. >> It's definitely a raw nerve. >> It's definitely a raw nerve. >> It's definitely a raw nerve. Everybody has their reasons and Everybody has their reasons and Everybody has their reasons and there's um there's um there's um relationships are difficult even with relationships are difficult even with relationships are difficult even with your family. Especially with your your family. Especially with your your family. Especially with your family. family. family. >> Yeah. I think it's it's easier when you >> Yeah. I think it's it's easier when you >> Yeah. I think it's it's easier when you aren't connected that way. aren't connected that way. aren't connected that way. >> Yeah. And it seems like you yearn for >> Yeah. And it seems like you yearn for >> Yeah. And it seems like you yearn for that relationship back because you say I that relationship back because you say I that relationship back because you say I need to like it's not it's not something need to like it's not it's not something need to like it's not it's not something that you're kind of throwing away or that you're kind of throwing away or that you're kind of throwing away or giving up. As you said, there's you giving up. As you said, there's you giving up. As you said, there's you there's a part of you that seems hope it there's a part of you that seems hope it there's a part of you that seems hope it changes. That's the person I grew up changes. That's the person I grew up changes. That's the person I grew up with, the only one. with, the only one. with, the only one. >> I really hope she I really hope she >> I really hope she I really hope she >> I really hope she I really hope she hears the song and Yeah. I hope she hears the song and Yeah. I hope she hears the song and Yeah. I hope she hears it and I hope hears it and I hope hears it and I hope >> it's at least the beginning of some way >> it's at least the beginning of some way >> it's at least the beginning of some way back to whatever it is that's good for back to whatever it is that's good for back to whatever it is that's good for both of you and that you both desire both of you and that you both desire both of you and that you both desire because because because >> whatever that looks like. >> whatever that looks like. >> whatever that looks like. >> That's what's hard with family is that >> That's what's hard with family is that >> That's what's hard with family is that we assume that good looks like we assume that good looks like we assume that good looks like everything's close and everything's everything's close and everything's everything's close and everything's perfect. And that's what we think when perfect. And that's what we think when perfect. And that's what we think when we're growing up and we get older and we we're growing up and we get older and we we're growing up and we get older and we go, "Oh, wait. It doesn't it doesn't go, "Oh, wait. It doesn't it doesn't go, "Oh, wait. It doesn't it doesn't always look like that. always look like that. always look like that. >> You desire like in family like this >> You desire like in family like this >> You desire like in family like this picture and that's not reality a lot of picture and that's not reality a lot of picture and that's not reality a lot of the times for people. the times for people. the times for people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so you're like you get to a certain >> And so you're like you get to a certain >> And so you're like you get to a certain age. I mean I have my own family who is age. I mean I have my own family who is age. I mean I have my own family who is put first no matter what. And I've put first no matter what. And I've put first no matter what. And I've gotten to make different rules for my gotten to make different rules for my gotten to make different rules for my family. But yeah, you you get to a family. But yeah, you you get to a family. But yeah, you you get to a certain age where you're like, "Oh, that certain age where you're like, "Oh, that certain age where you're like, "Oh, that doesn't feel good or that's not right or doesn't feel good or that's not right or doesn't feel good or that's not right or that's, you know, and it's very hard to that's, you know, and it's very hard to that's, you know, and it's very hard to think of family in the way that you grow think of family in the way that you grow think of family in the way that you grow up thinking of family when up thinking of family when up thinking of family when >> yes, >> yes, >> yes, >> so much shifts and changes." And I love >> so much shifts and changes." And I love >> so much shifts and changes." And I love my family in certain ways and certain my family in certain ways and certain my family in certain ways and certain memories. And also like huge struggles memories. And also like huge struggles memories. And also like huge struggles have, you know, have, you know, have, you know, occurred occurred occurred >> and not like putting that one >> and not like putting that one >> and not like putting that one responsibility on anybody involved, you responsibility on anybody involved, you responsibility on anybody involved, you know, assuming some myself. So, you know, assuming some myself. So, you know, assuming some myself. So, you know, it's it's it's very complicated. know, it's it's it's very complicated. know, it's it's it's very complicated. >> Yeah, I think family is complicated. >> Yeah, I think family is complicated. >> Yeah, I think family is complicated. You're absolutely right. Thank you for You're absolutely right. Thank you for You're absolutely right. Thank you for being so open and honest. theme, you being so open and honest. theme, you being so open and honest. theme, you know, to the point that we can tell just know, to the point that we can tell just know, to the point that we can tell just how hard this is for you and how heavy how hard this is for you and how heavy how hard this is for you and how heavy it all is. And I'm sure everyone who's it all is. And I'm sure everyone who's it all is. And I'm sure everyone who's listening right now is thinking that listening right now is thinking that listening right now is thinking that God, I know exactly what relationship in God, I know exactly what relationship in God, I know exactly what relationship in my life makes me feel that way. Whether my life makes me feel that way. Whether my life makes me feel that way. Whether it's with a sibling, a father, a parent, it's with a sibling, a father, a parent, it's with a sibling, a father, a parent, or family member. And so, or family member. And so, or family member. And so, >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> Yeah. Thank you for going there. Um, >> Yeah. Thank you for going there. Um, >> Yeah. Thank you for going there. Um, going to do one more. You can guess the going to do one more. You can guess the going to do one more. You can guess the song. song. song. >> Do one more lyric. >> Do one more lyric. >> Do one more lyric. >> Love it. >> Love it. >> Love it. >> Yeah. One more lyric. >> Yeah. One more lyric. >> Yeah. One more lyric. >> Please don't make me cry. >> Please don't make me cry. >> Please don't make me cry. >> I I will try. I'm I hope I'm not making >> I I will try. I'm I hope I'm not making >> I I will try. I'm I hope I'm not making you cry. I would hate to be the one you cry. I would hate to be the one you cry. I would hate to be the one making you cry. That is not my intention making you cry. That is not my intention making you cry. That is not my intention whatsoever. And I and I respect you too whatsoever. And I and I respect you too whatsoever. And I and I respect you too much to you. You you tell me how you much to you. You you tell me how you much to you. You you tell me how you feel about stuff like Yeah. feel about stuff like Yeah. feel about stuff like Yeah. >> This is the last lyric we're doing. So, >> This is the last lyric we're doing. So, >> This is the last lyric we're doing. So, we won't I promise. Um Okay. What I find we won't I promise. Um Okay. What I find we won't I promise. Um Okay. What I find fascinating about you is your lyrics are fascinating about you is your lyrics are fascinating about you is your lyrics are so real and raw and clear and they they so real and raw and clear and they they so real and raw and clear and they they are so uh resonant with with anyone and are so uh resonant with with anyone and are so uh resonant with with anyone and everyone who's going through similar everyone who's going through similar everyone who's going through similar things through you are, which I think things through you are, which I think things through you are, which I think many many people are. And so often when many many people are. And so often when many many people are. And so often when I read lyrics, they're so metaphorical, I read lyrics, they're so metaphorical, I read lyrics, they're so metaphorical, but you like poetic but real. but you like poetic but real. but you like poetic but real. >> Um, and so this one, you can guess the >> Um, and so this one, you can guess the >> Um, and so this one, you can guess the song. So the lyric goes, "I wish I could song. So the lyric goes, "I wish I could song. So the lyric goes, "I wish I could sleep on planes and that my father would sleep on planes and that my father would sleep on planes and that my father would really love me. He'd show up on my really love me. He'd show up on my really love me. He'd show up on my wedding day and tell my family they're wedding day and tell my family they're wedding day and tell my family they're all so lucky. He'd tell me how he wish all so lucky. He'd tell me how he wish all so lucky. He'd tell me how he wish he stayed and that he never meant to he stayed and that he never meant to he stayed and that he never meant to disappoint me, but till then, I'll exist disappoint me, but till then, I'll exist disappoint me, but till then, I'll exist as the optimist." as the optimist." as the optimist." I think more just being very vulnerable and open about being very vulnerable and open about what it's like to be what it's like to be what it's like to be in a family that, you know, your parents in a family that, you know, your parents in a family that, you know, your parents aren't together and you don't have, you aren't together and you don't have, you aren't together and you don't have, you know, relationships with both your know, relationships with both your know, relationships with both your parents. Um, parents. Um, parents. Um, it's devastating it's devastating it's devastating and it feels I don't I think it doesn't matter what I don't I think it doesn't matter what age you are. You want your parents to age you are. You want your parents to age you are. You want your parents to feel like they care about you. feel like they care about you. feel like they care about you. >> And big portion of my existence hasn't >> And big portion of my existence hasn't >> And big portion of my existence hasn't felt like that. I don't know if that's felt like that. I don't know if that's felt like that. I don't know if that's the truth, but that's how it feels. the truth, but that's how it feels. the truth, but that's how it feels. >> And so that's just what I'm sharing in >> And so that's just what I'm sharing in >> And so that's just what I'm sharing in that song, The Optimist. Um, that song, The Optimist. Um, that song, The Optimist. Um, I love that song so much. I think I live I love that song so much. I think I live I love that song so much. I think I live in this world that like I am really in this world that like I am really in this world that like I am really happy. I'm really like goofy. I'm really happy. I'm really like goofy. I'm really happy. I'm really like goofy. I'm really silly. silly. silly. A lot of hard things have happened to A lot of hard things have happened to A lot of hard things have happened to me. And I think that with the album, I me. And I think that with the album, I me. And I think that with the album, I wanted to share that emotional depth and wanted to share that emotional depth and wanted to share that emotional depth and that some of that heaviness that some of that heaviness that some of that heaviness but like disguised with, but like disguised with, but like disguised with, you know, a very joyful track. And I you know, a very joyful track. And I you know, a very joyful track. And I think that's like very much how I like think that's like very much how I like think that's like very much how I like to exist in the world is like this to exist in the world is like this to exist in the world is like this balance of these two things can exist at balance of these two things can exist at balance of these two things can exist at the same time. And you know, the record the same time. And you know, the record the same time. And you know, the record is a pop record. It feels is a pop record. It feels is a pop record. It feels >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> like you want to blast in your car. At >> like you want to blast in your car. At >> like you want to blast in your car. At least I do. That's when I knew I was least I do. That's when I knew I was least I do. That's when I knew I was done, you know. Um, but they're like done, you know. Um, but they're like done, you know. Um, but they're like life topics and life is really life topics and life is really life topics and life is really challenging, really hard, really tricky challenging, really hard, really tricky challenging, really hard, really tricky to make the right calls and the wrong to make the right calls and the wrong to make the right calls and the wrong calls. All it's all just a process and calls. All it's all just a process and calls. All it's all just a process and like a very beautiful and messy one and like a very beautiful and messy one and like a very beautiful and messy one and and I feel like the record has just so and I feel like the record has just so and I feel like the record has just so much of that in it, you know? much of that in it, you know? much of that in it, you know? >> It's like a feels like a capture of 10 >> It's like a feels like a capture of 10 >> It's like a feels like a capture of 10 years of different things flying at you. years of different things flying at you. years of different things flying at you. >> I know you have this other song that we >> I know you have this other song that we >> I know you have this other song that we all love. I'm not reading out any more all love. I'm not reading out any more all love. I'm not reading out any more lyrics. I I uh I know you have this lyrics. I I uh I know you have this lyrics. I I uh I know you have this other song that we all love called other song that we all love called other song that we all love called Mature. Mature. Mature. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> I was just thinking as you were saying >> I was just thinking as you were saying >> I was just thinking as you were saying that that there's so much maturity in that that there's so much maturity in that that there's so much maturity in being able to be like, "Hey, I'm fine being able to be like, "Hey, I'm fine being able to be like, "Hey, I'm fine and goofy and at the same time there's and goofy and at the same time there's and goofy and at the same time there's all this stuff going on and like all this stuff going on and like all this stuff going on and like >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and I think that's everyone who's >> And and I think that's everyone who's >> And and I think that's everyone who's growing up with you and is experiencing growing up with you and is experiencing growing up with you and is experiencing all of that, too." And I feel like only all of that, too." And I feel like only all of that, too." And I feel like only knowing one side, especially through knowing one side, especially through knowing one side, especially through someone that people have followed and someone that people have followed and someone that people have followed and continue to follow for so many years, continue to follow for so many years, continue to follow for so many years, it's it's it's >> you feel less alone. >> you feel less alone. >> you feel less alone. >> I feel like people are going to feel >> I feel like people are going to feel >> I feel like people are going to feel less alone when they listen to this less alone when they listen to this less alone when they listen to this album, but in a good way. Not just like album, but in a good way. Not just like album, but in a good way. Not just like in their feels, but like you said, in their feels, but like you said, in their feels, but like you said, blasting it out. It's a part where like blasting it out. It's a part where like blasting it out. It's a part where like I love that juosition of I love that juosition of I love that juosition of >> making people feel less alone, but also >> making people feel less alone, but also >> making people feel less alone, but also making them have fun, which making them have fun, which making them have fun, which >> I love that juxtaposition, too. But I >> I love that juxtaposition, too. But I >> I love that juxtaposition, too. But I love that word because playing the the love that word because playing the the love that word because playing the the the few little shows that that I played the few little shows that that I played the few little shows that that I played before I go out this summer was such a before I go out this summer was such a before I go out this summer was such a cool feeling of like the audience one is cool feeling of like the audience one is cool feeling of like the audience one is like my age so they're all adults now like my age so they're all adults now like my age so they're all adults now and we've grown up together and it was and we've grown up together and it was and we've grown up together and it was like I'm playing these old songs that like I'm playing these old songs that like I'm playing these old songs that feel so good to people and hold such a feel so good to people and hold such a feel so good to people and hold such a sweet like innocent part of their being. sweet like innocent part of their being. sweet like innocent part of their being. you know, some like that meant something you know, some like that meant something you know, some like that meant something to them at a very like pivotal a coming to them at a very like pivotal a coming to them at a very like pivotal a coming of age. And um to get to hold that of age. And um to get to hold that of age. And um to get to hold that memory for people is such a like badge memory for people is such a like badge memory for people is such a like badge for me. M for me. M for me. M >> but then also to meet them with like the >> but then also to meet them with like the >> but then also to meet them with like the new songs and kind of experiences that new songs and kind of experiences that new songs and kind of experiences that life has provided was a really cool life has provided was a really cool life has provided was a really cool experience to have them sing like these experience to have them sing like these experience to have them sing like these songs they the hat that they have from songs they the hat that they have from songs they the hat that they have from the record you know to see them and us the record you know to see them and us the record you know to see them and us be adults and be connecting on that be adults and be connecting on that be adults and be connecting on that level is like really really powerful. level is like really really powerful. level is like really really powerful. So, it's like this really cool floaty So, it's like this really cool floaty So, it's like this really cool floaty feeling of like this thing that feels feeling of like this thing that feels feeling of like this thing that feels really good that we get to lean on and really good that we get to lean on and really good that we get to lean on and like celebrate from our past, but you like celebrate from our past, but you like celebrate from our past, but you know, be like me too, you know, in the know, be like me too, you know, in the know, be like me too, you know, in the now. Like that says so much about you now. Like that says so much about you now. Like that says so much about you because I think that you saying that I because I think that you saying that I because I think that you saying that I want people to have that experience that want people to have that experience that want people to have that experience that meant so much to them even though you meant so much to them even though you meant so much to them even though you have transformed, you have grown, you have transformed, you have grown, you have transformed, you have grown, you have changed, you have gone through all have changed, you have gone through all have changed, you have gone through all of this. That just speaks like volumes of this. That just speaks like volumes of this. That just speaks like volumes of your character honestly because it's of your character honestly because it's of your character honestly because it's it's it's so easy for people to want to it's it's so easy for people to want to it's it's so easy for people to want to like be like that was me then. I'm going like be like that was me then. I'm going like be like that was me then. I'm going to leave that behind. This is the new me to leave that behind. This is the new me to leave that behind. This is the new me now. And that's generally what we do as now. And that's generally what we do as now. And that's generally what we do as humans. We're like, "Yeah, that was then humans. We're like, "Yeah, that was then humans. We're like, "Yeah, that was then and it was cool." and and it's like for and it was cool." and and it's like for and it was cool." and and it's like for you to be like no I just love doing it you to be like no I just love doing it you to be like no I just love doing it because it brings people so much joy and because it brings people so much joy and because it brings people so much joy and I get to share this part of them like I get to share this part of them like I get to share this part of them like that justosition truly is that justosition truly is that justosition truly is >> yeah I just want to thank you for that >> yeah I just want to thank you for that >> yeah I just want to thank you for that because I think it it shows just how because I think it it shows just how because I think it it shows just how much you have in your heart of wanting much you have in your heart of wanting much you have in your heart of wanting to make people happy and wanting to to make people happy and wanting to to make people happy and wanting to wanting them to have these moments and wanting them to have these moments and wanting them to have these moments and >> I think it you know I don't know if it >> I think it you know I don't know if it >> I think it you know I don't know if it would have been possible for me to do 10 would have been possible for me to do 10 would have been possible for me to do 10 years ago I don't know why now all of a years ago I don't know why now all of a years ago I don't know why now all of a sudden sudden sudden >> I really don't know how to answer like >> I really don't know how to answer like >> I really don't know how to answer like what shifted and what what shifted and what what shifted and what >> made me find such peace with my past, >> made me find such peace with my past, >> made me find such peace with my past, you know, like, but I'm really proud of you know, like, but I'm really proud of you know, like, but I'm really proud of it now and I get to go and celebrate it it now and I get to go and celebrate it it now and I get to go and celebrate it and it feels like I get to be a part of and it feels like I get to be a part of and it feels like I get to be a part of it with everybody instead of it with everybody instead of it with everybody instead of >> trying to like shy away for it from it >> trying to like shy away for it from it >> trying to like shy away for it from it and be like I'm an adult or I'm changed and be like I'm an adult or I'm changed and be like I'm an adult or I'm changed or I'm different or that's not me or I'm different or that's not me or I'm different or that's not me anymore. Like that is a part of me and anymore. Like that is a part of me and anymore. Like that is a part of me and it will always be like a part of me and it will always be like a part of me and it will always be like a part of me and it feels really fun to celebrate that it feels really fun to celebrate that it feels really fun to celebrate that with people that it meant something to. with people that it meant something to. with people that it meant something to. I think you said the word actually even I think you said the word actually even I think you said the word actually even though you're saying I don't know what though you're saying I don't know what though you're saying I don't know what the why is at least this is my analysis the why is at least this is my analysis the why is at least this is my analysis of what you're saying is uh it's almost of what you're saying is uh it's almost of what you're saying is uh it's almost like we all we all go through pain and like we all we all go through pain and like we all we all go through pain and then there's transformation and maybe at then there's transformation and maybe at then there's transformation and maybe at 10 years ago there was some 10 years ago there was some 10 years ago there was some transformation happening in your life transformation happening in your life transformation happening in your life but now you're coming back as a but now you're coming back as a but now you're coming back as a celebration and a celebration is like celebration and a celebration is like celebration and a celebration is like how we look back at our whole life like how we look back at our whole life like how we look back at our whole life like I went to I went to three 70th birthdays I went to I went to three 70th birthdays I went to I went to three 70th birthdays last year last year last year >> and like I looked at life like totally >> and like I looked at life like totally >> and like I looked at life like totally different because I'm 38 different because I'm 38 different because I'm 38 >> and same yeah we're the same age and and >> and same yeah we're the same age and and >> and same yeah we're the same age and and I went I went I went I went to these three 70-y old I went to these three 70-y old I went to these three 70-y old birthdays. Uh, two of them I'm very birthdays. Uh, two of them I'm very birthdays. Uh, two of them I'm very close with, one of them I'm becoming close with, one of them I'm becoming close with, one of them I'm becoming closer with, and they had like their closer with, and they had like their closer with, and they had like their kids, grandkids, they had all their kids, grandkids, they had all their kids, grandkids, they had all their friends that were important at different friends that were important at different friends that were important at different phases of their life. phases of their life. phases of their life. >> And everyone gave speeches and like it >> And everyone gave speeches and like it >> And everyone gave speeches and like it was I and I I'm a sucker for this stuff. was I and I I'm a sucker for this stuff. was I and I I'm a sucker for this stuff. Like I love love love and friendship and Like I love love love and friendship and Like I love love love and friendship and all this stuff. all this stuff. all this stuff. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and I was like, "Wow." Like when >> And and I was like, "Wow." Like when >> And and I was like, "Wow." Like when you're 70 like life just looks so you're 70 like life just looks so you're 70 like life just looks so different. And it's what you just said. different. And it's what you just said. different. And it's what you just said. It's like you're at a point where you're It's like you're at a point where you're It's like you're at a point where you're celebrating your, you know, although celebrating your, you know, although celebrating your, you know, although you're 70 years old and not not saying you're 70 years old and not not saying you're 70 years old and not not saying that spirit. that spirit. that spirit. >> I've had a lot of chapters, you know, >> I've had a lot of chapters, you know, >> I've had a lot of chapters, you know, that it's really weird. People will be that it's really weird. People will be that it's really weird. People will be like, "Oh, what is it? What do you like, "Oh, what is it? What do you like, "Oh, what is it? What do you remember from this time?" I'm like, remember from this time?" I'm like, remember from this time?" I'm like, >> "What do you remember from 25 years >> "What do you remember from 25 years >> "What do you remember from 25 years ago?" Like certain things stand out, but ago?" Like certain things stand out, but ago?" Like certain things stand out, but yeah, that's that's amazing. Definitely yeah, that's that's amazing. Definitely yeah, that's that's amazing. Definitely when you get to 70, when you get to 70, when you get to 70, >> I can imagine if I'm almost at 40 and >> I can imagine if I'm almost at 40 and >> I can imagine if I'm almost at 40 and feeling the thing that everyone told me feeling the thing that everyone told me feeling the thing that everyone told me I was going to feel at 40. Imagine what I was going to feel at 40. Imagine what I was going to feel at 40. Imagine what 70 is like to get there and like a life 70 is like to get there and like a life 70 is like to get there and like a life well-lived and having people from all well-lived and having people from all well-lived and having people from all your eras show up and, you know, speak your eras show up and, you know, speak your eras show up and, you know, speak for you and have relationships as long for you and have relationships as long for you and have relationships as long as you can have at 70, you know, it's as you can have at 70, you know, it's as you can have at 70, you know, it's cool. It's really cool. cool. It's really cool. cool. It's really cool. >> Has making music and writing been your >> Has making music and writing been your >> Has making music and writing been your therapy? Has that been your outlet? Has therapy? Has that been your outlet? Has therapy? Has that been your outlet? Has that How would you describe making this that How would you describe making this that How would you describe making this album? Is it Is it therapy? Is it album? Is it Is it therapy? Is it album? Is it Is it therapy? Is it transformative? Is it is it celebration? transformative? Is it is it celebration? transformative? Is it is it celebration? Like what what is it for you and what Like what what is it for you and what Like what what is it for you and what does it give you? does it give you? does it give you? >> I think that what really triggered me >> I think that what really triggered me >> I think that what really triggered me wanting to make an album was having my wanting to make an album was having my wanting to make an album was having my fourth child and being like I love fourth child and being like I love fourth child and being like I love motherhood. I'm obsessed with my kids. motherhood. I'm obsessed with my kids. motherhood. I'm obsessed with my kids. Obviously, I wouldn't have four kids if Obviously, I wouldn't have four kids if Obviously, I wouldn't have four kids if I wasn't like deeply, I wasn't like deeply, I wasn't like deeply, utterly obsessed with like the way they utterly obsessed with like the way they utterly obsessed with like the way they run through the house, the way they run through the house, the way they run through the house, the way they breathe, the way we like like just the breathe, the way we like like just the breathe, the way we like like just the everything about the smallest things to everything about the smallest things to everything about the smallest things to the biggest things. Like obsessed with the biggest things. Like obsessed with the biggest things. Like obsessed with them. But I was like, I can't stay here them. But I was like, I can't stay here them. But I was like, I can't stay here and just be like in this and just be like in this and just be like in this >> because >> because >> because I know so much else about myself that I know so much else about myself that I know so much else about myself that has to be like has to be like has to be like stretched. stretched. stretched. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So I think I got really jealous actually >> So I think I got really jealous actually >> So I think I got really jealous actually of Matt of Matt of Matt after I had towns and I was like still after I had towns and I was like still after I had towns and I was like still nursing and you know busy with the other nursing and you know busy with the other nursing and you know busy with the other kids and like our running our household kids and like our running our household kids and like our running our household and all of that. all of that and all of that. all of that and all of that. all of that responsibility, which I actually responsibility, which I actually responsibility, which I actually genuinely love, but I can't that can't genuinely love, but I can't that can't genuinely love, but I can't that can't be like it for me. So, he was like be like it for me. So, he was like be like it for me. So, he was like going, he has an amazing studio. He was going, he has an amazing studio. He was going, he has an amazing studio. He was like going to the studio every day and like going to the studio every day and like going to the studio every day and just like getting to have alone time and just like getting to have alone time and just like getting to have alone time and getting to like sit with things that getting to like sit with things that getting to like sit with things that like bump around his head in his head like bump around his head in his head like bump around his head in his head and like make him tick and like purge, and like make him tick and like purge, and like make him tick and like purge, you know, his like creativity and you know, his like creativity and you know, his like creativity and create. And I was just like, create. And I was just like, create. And I was just like, I want that too. I want that too. I want that too. And he was like, "Cool." Like, "Are you And he was like, "Cool." Like, "Are you And he was like, "Cool." Like, "Are you serious?" Like, it's not like for 10 serious?" Like, it's not like for 10 serious?" Like, it's not like for 10 years I've been writing songs. I've been years I've been writing songs. I've been years I've been writing songs. I've been like deep in motherhood. It's been way like deep in motherhood. It's been way like deep in motherhood. It's been way easier to like film a TV show, which I easier to like film a TV show, which I easier to like film a TV show, which I also love doing. But like motherhood is also love doing. But like motherhood is also love doing. But like motherhood is a place where you just can completely a place where you just can completely a place where you just can completely focus on and throw all of your energy to focus on and throw all of your energy to focus on and throw all of your energy to and then like forget yourself. Mhm. and then like forget yourself. Mhm. and then like forget yourself. Mhm. >> So being able to know that he has like >> So being able to know that he has like >> So being able to know that he has like the front row seat to my whole entire the front row seat to my whole entire the front row seat to my whole entire life and then sitting and like figuring life and then sitting and like figuring life and then sitting and like figuring out what this is going to sound like and out what this is going to sound like and out what this is going to sound like and what I'm going to talk about felt so what I'm going to talk about felt so what I'm going to talk about felt so safe and so natural. We have such a busy safe and so natural. We have such a busy safe and so natural. We have such a busy life. It wasn't like there was just life. It wasn't like there was just life. It wasn't like there was just endless sessions where I'm like we're endless sessions where I'm like we're endless sessions where I'm like we're writing for 8 hours. Like a lot of it writing for 8 hours. Like a lot of it writing for 8 hours. Like a lot of it was like a text and I'd be like I'm was like a text and I'd be like I'm was like a text and I'd be like I'm going to get the kids from school but going to get the kids from school but going to get the kids from school but what if we what if it's this line? What what if we what if it's this line? What what if we what if it's this line? What if it's what if this happens instead of if it's what if this happens instead of if it's what if this happens instead of that, you know? Like it's just like that, you know? Like it's just like that, you know? Like it's just like quick phone calls and a conversation in quick phone calls and a conversation in quick phone calls and a conversation in the kitchen while making plates for the the kitchen while making plates for the the kitchen while making plates for the kids. Like it just it just happened kids. Like it just it just happened kids. Like it just it just happened really really really >> naturally and like a way that it would >> naturally and like a way that it would >> naturally and like a way that it would happen like this with like the way that happen like this with like the way that happen like this with like the way that we live together. That sounds crazy we live together. That sounds crazy we live together. That sounds crazy chaotic and beautiful as it it's that's chaotic and beautiful as it it's that's chaotic and beautiful as it it's that's >> what a way to make an album together and >> what a way to make an album together and >> what a way to make an album together and and what a way to, you know, experience and what a way to, you know, experience and what a way to, you know, experience have the experience that you're having have the experience that you're having have the experience that you're having and then going off and creating when and then going off and creating when and then going off and creating when when you speak motherhood. It's it's so when you speak motherhood. It's it's so when you speak motherhood. It's it's so real and at the same time it's just like real and at the same time it's just like real and at the same time it's just like so wonderful to hear about it from you. so wonderful to hear about it from you. so wonderful to hear about it from you. Like it's and and I know we were Like it's and and I know we were Like it's and and I know we were speaking about it a bit earlier when you speaking about it a bit earlier when you speaking about it a bit earlier when you walked in and just how like you're like walked in and just how like you're like walked in and just how like you're like dropping the kids off at sports and like dropping the kids off at sports and like dropping the kids off at sports and like picking them up and even today I think picking them up and even today I think picking them up and even today I think when you arrived you were like yeah I'm when you arrived you were like yeah I'm when you arrived you were like yeah I'm going to go get to pick up the kids going to go get to pick up the kids going to go get to pick up the kids after this or whatever you know and I'm after this or whatever you know and I'm after this or whatever you know and I'm like it it's so wonderful and obviously like it it's so wonderful and obviously like it it's so wonderful and obviously you just said like you wouldn't have you just said like you wouldn't have you just said like you wouldn't have four kids if you if you didn't what is four kids if you if you didn't what is four kids if you if you didn't what is what would you say is your favorite way what would you say is your favorite way what would you say is your favorite way of showing love to the kids? One thing of showing love to the kids? One thing of showing love to the kids? One thing that my mom was with me and my dad as a that my mom was with me and my dad as a that my mom was with me and my dad as a young child really playful, young child really playful, young child really playful, >> extremely silly and playful and I >> extremely silly and playful and I >> extremely silly and playful and I have that from them. have that from them. have that from them. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> I love that. >> And I love to play tricks on my kids. I >> And I love to play tricks on my kids. I >> And I love to play tricks on my kids. I love to like love to like love to like be silly and get down on their level and be silly and get down on their level and be silly and get down on their level and just be really playful with them. And I just be really playful with them. And I just be really playful with them. And I think that's a huge important part of think that's a huge important part of think that's a huge important part of like the parent child relationship. like the parent child relationship. like the parent child relationship. And then time, time spent, talks, And then time, time spent, talks, And then time, time spent, talks, deciding to make an album and go on deciding to make an album and go on deciding to make an album and go on tour. I'm going to miss so much that tour. I'm going to miss so much that tour. I'm going to miss so much that I've really tried to be there for. And I've really tried to be there for. And I've really tried to be there for. And it could make me cry again thinking it could make me cry again thinking it could make me cry again thinking about, you know, about, you know, about, you know, >> Maymay, my four-year-old has um >> Maymay, my four-year-old has um >> Maymay, my four-year-old has um her school tea party this Friday and I'm her school tea party this Friday and I'm her school tea party this Friday and I'm not going to be there. And like for not going to be there. And like for not going to be there. And like for Banks, I threw the tea party with like Banks, I threw the tea party with like Banks, I threw the tea party with like three other moms and was there like and three other moms and was there like and three other moms and was there like and so you're like, "This feels off balance. so you're like, "This feels off balance. so you're like, "This feels off balance. This isn't fair." This isn't fair." This isn't fair." >> But I will make it fair. I'll find a way >> But I will make it fair. I'll find a way >> But I will make it fair. I'll find a way to make it fair. And so I think just to make it fair. And so I think just to make it fair. And so I think just showing up for your kids and giving them showing up for your kids and giving them showing up for your kids and giving them the time even if it's yesterday I had a the time even if it's yesterday I had a the time even if it's yesterday I had a really busy day and I flew up the canyon really busy day and I flew up the canyon really busy day and I flew up the canyon for like 40 minutes with Maymay of with for like 40 minutes with Maymay of with for like 40 minutes with Maymay of with Towns my youngest and I drove to Luca's Towns my youngest and I drove to Luca's Towns my youngest and I drove to Luca's soccer practice to go do an hourlong soccer practice to go do an hourlong soccer practice to go do an hourlong interview and then take him to his next interview and then take him to his next interview and then take him to his next soccer practice. And by the time I got soccer practice. And by the time I got soccer practice. And by the time I got home, it was like 9:00 p.m. But Matt and home, it was like 9:00 p.m. But Matt and home, it was like 9:00 p.m. But Matt and I drove him together cuz we were both at I drove him together cuz we were both at I drove him together cuz we were both at the studio. And then we like walked to the studio. And then we like walked to the studio. And then we like walked to the track and watched him play soccer. the track and watched him play soccer. the track and watched him play soccer. So like we got our time. Not all the So like we got our time. Not all the So like we got our time. Not all the kids got their time, but two of them kids got their time, but two of them kids got their time, but two of them did. And you just try to like find the did. And you just try to like find the did. And you just try to like find the balance and be like, "Okay, I'm not balance and be like, "Okay, I'm not balance and be like, "Okay, I'm not choosing towns this day. I'm choosing choosing towns this day. I'm choosing choosing towns this day. I'm choosing Maymay. I'm going to go watch her a Maymay. I'm going to go watch her a Maymay. I'm going to go watch her a dance or I'm going to, you know, you dance or I'm going to, you know, you dance or I'm going to, you know, you just you just find a way to make it work just you just find a way to make it work just you just find a way to make it work and try to be in tune with what your and try to be in tune with what your and try to be in tune with what your kids need and keep conversations open kids need and keep conversations open kids need and keep conversations open and that's that. and that's that. and that's that. >> Do you think about sometimes like when >> Do you think about sometimes like when >> Do you think about sometimes like when they get older I'm going to talk to them they get older I'm going to talk to them they get older I'm going to talk to them about how like I wasn't at this party about how like I wasn't at this party about how like I wasn't at this party but we did this thing or do you think but we did this thing or do you think but we did this thing or do you think about it that way or not really? Is that about it that way or not really? Is that about it that way or not really? Is that am I completely missing the point? am I completely missing the point? am I completely missing the point? >> The things that kids stick that stick >> The things that kids stick that stick >> The things that kids stick that stick with them with them with them >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> is so devastating. >> is so devastating. >> is so devastating. >> My son >> My son >> My son >> that's so painful. >> that's so painful. >> that's so painful. >> It's so painful. like my son. >> It's so painful. like my son. >> It's so painful. like my son. >> Please, I need to learn now. >> Please, I need to learn now. >> Please, I need to learn now. >> Okay, we were at Disney Disneyland. This >> Okay, we were at Disney Disneyland. This >> Okay, we were at Disney Disneyland. This is okay. He's 13 now, so he must have is okay. He's 13 now, so he must have is okay. He's 13 now, so he must have been like eight or nine. And been like eight or nine. And been like eight or nine. And Disneyland's a big deal. We happen to go Disneyland's a big deal. We happen to go Disneyland's a big deal. We happen to go like every year. But it's a big deal. like every year. But it's a big deal. like every year. But it's a big deal. And he would not get on this roller And he would not get on this roller And he would not get on this roller coaster. And I was like, everyone's coaster. And I was like, everyone's coaster. And I was like, everyone's going on it. Like, you can't know until going on it. Like, you can't know until going on it. Like, you can't know until you try. Like you try. Like you try. Like >> I ended up pushing it too hard, making >> I ended up pushing it too hard, making >> I ended up pushing it too hard, making him cry. And it like he wrote like a a him cry. And it like he wrote like a a him cry. And it like he wrote like a a thing about it at school. thing about it at school. thing about it at school. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I was like, "What about all the times >> I was like, "What about all the times >> I was like, "What about all the times that I'm amazing?" that I'm amazing?" that I'm amazing?" >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. >> And all the time now, now we can joke. >> And all the time now, now we can joke. >> And all the time now, now we can joke. And he loves to ride roller coasters. And he loves to ride roller coasters. And he loves to ride roller coasters. And I'm like, "I told you. I told you And I'm like, "I told you. I told you And I'm like, "I told you. I told you you had to just listen to me that you you had to just listen to me that you you had to just listen to me that you would know and we could have been having would know and we could have been having would know and we could have been having more fun since this age instead of this more fun since this age instead of this more fun since this age instead of this age and blah blah." You know, like we age and blah blah." You know, like we age and blah blah." You know, like we obviously like raz each other a ton, but obviously like raz each other a ton, but obviously like raz each other a ton, but um he's always like, "Remember that time um he's always like, "Remember that time um he's always like, "Remember that time you made me cry cuz I wouldn't get on you made me cry cuz I wouldn't get on you made me cry cuz I wouldn't get on the roller coaster." And I'm like, the roller coaster." And I'm like, the roller coaster." And I'm like, you now he needs to write a new thing in you now he needs to write a new thing in you now he needs to write a new thing in school now about how he loves roller school now about how he loves roller school now about how he loves roller coasters and how it started from that coasters and how it started from that coasters and how it started from that point. point. point. >> They don't see it like that. But I'm >> They don't see it like that. But I'm >> They don't see it like that. But I'm going to tell him you said so. going to tell him you said so. going to tell him you said so. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that's the >> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that's the >> Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that's the only fair. But did did he ride the only fair. But did did he ride the only fair. But did did he ride the roller coaster the first time after you roller coaster the first time after you roller coaster the first time after you No. Oh. So Oh, so it wasn't even that No. Oh. So Oh, so it wasn't even that No. Oh. So Oh, so it wasn't even that bad then. bad then. bad then. >> I think he was like you put some you >> I think he was like you put some you >> I think he was like you put some you tried to put too much pressure on me. tried to put too much pressure on me. tried to put too much pressure on me. Blah blah blah. Now like we just went to Blah blah blah. Now like we just went to Blah blah blah. Now like we just went to Disney World for Christmas with the kids Disney World for Christmas with the kids Disney World for Christmas with the kids for 3 days. It was so insane. for 3 days. It was so insane. for 3 days. It was so insane. >> Four kids. It's Disney World 3 days. >> Four kids. It's Disney World 3 days. >> Four kids. It's Disney World 3 days. >> How are you doing that? >> How are you doing that? >> How are you doing that? >> On Christmas day we flew. It was crazy. >> On Christmas day we flew. It was crazy. >> On Christmas day we flew. It was crazy. >> That's the best Christmas ever. >> That's the best Christmas ever. >> That's the best Christmas ever. >> But now I put no. I'm like mm- you ride >> But now I put no. I'm like mm- you ride >> But now I put no. I'm like mm- you ride it when you're ready. I am not going to it when you're ready. I am not going to it when you're ready. I am not going to be like nabbed as that. be like nabbed as that. be like nabbed as that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Not not by that teacher. You >> Yeah. Yeah. Not not by that teacher. You >> Yeah. Yeah. Not not by that teacher. You You're reminding me that I I my my niece You're reminding me that I I my my niece You're reminding me that I I my my niece and nephew. My nephew is like he's 10 and nephew. My nephew is like he's 10 and nephew. My nephew is like he's 10 years old now. He was like 2 years old years old now. He was like 2 years old years old now. He was like 2 years old when this happened. Barely. Yeah, maybe when this happened. Barely. Yeah, maybe when this happened. Barely. Yeah, maybe two years old. We we were in a we were two years old. We we were in a we were two years old. We we were in a we were in the pool at Christmas time. And we in the pool at Christmas time. And we in the pool at Christmas time. And we we' taken the family away and we're in a we' taken the family away and we're in a we' taken the family away and we're in a pool and he was in one of those donuts pool and he was in one of those donuts pool and he was in one of those donuts like he just and he needed those and he like he just and he needed those and he like he just and he needed those and he had his armbands on and everything had his armbands on and everything had his armbands on and everything because obviously because obviously because obviously >> he can't swim. >> he can't swim. >> he can't swim. >> Yeah, he can't swim. He's he's tiny. And >> Yeah, he can't swim. He's he's tiny. And >> Yeah, he can't swim. He's he's tiny. And so it was me, him, and his dad hanging so it was me, him, and his dad hanging so it was me, him, and his dad hanging out in the pool out in the pool out in the pool >> and uh uh >> and uh uh >> and uh uh >> oh stitches. What happened? >> oh stitches. What happened? >> oh stitches. What happened? >> So I was I was playing this game with >> So I was I was playing this game with >> So I was I was playing this game with him which he loved so he won't say this. him which he loved so he won't say this. him which he loved so he won't say this. >> I was playing this game with him where I >> I was playing this game with him where I >> I was playing this game with him where I was pretending to be a little shark was pretending to be a little shark was pretending to be a little shark coming at him coming at him coming at him >> and and I would come out and I'd >> and and I would come out and I'd >> and and I would come out and I'd surprise him and he'd laugh and surprise him and he'd laugh and surprise him and he'd laugh and whatever. And so I kept I keep doing whatever. And so I kept I keep doing whatever. And so I kept I keep doing that. One time I do it, he falls through that. One time I do it, he falls through that. One time I do it, he falls through the hoop like the donut. Like for some the hoop like the donut. Like for some the hoop like the donut. Like for some reason he got so scared that his whole reason he got so scared that his whole reason he got so scared that his whole body just fell through it. And obviously body just fell through it. And obviously body just fell through it. And obviously me and his dad got him out immediately. me and his dad got him out immediately. me and his dad got him out immediately. Like he was fine. Like he was fine. Like he was fine. >> All he does is tell this story. He's >> All he does is tell this story. He's >> All he does is tell this story. He's like, do you remember when you knew? like, do you remember when you knew? like, do you remember when you knew? >> And you're like, you can't possibly >> And you're like, you can't possibly >> And you're like, you can't possibly remember. remember. remember. >> And I'm like, dude, you you weren't even >> And I'm like, dude, you you weren't even >> And I'm like, dude, you you weren't even like you were there, but you do not have like you were there, but you do not have like you were there, but you do not have a memory for this. He's like, no, I a memory for this. He's like, no, I a memory for this. He's like, no, I remember that moment when you were remember that moment when you were remember that moment when you were trying to be a shark. And and and he's trying to be a shark. And and and he's trying to be a shark. And and and he's and now he's teasing me with it. Like and now he's teasing me with it. Like and now he's teasing me with it. Like it's not like he's actually upset. it's not like he's actually upset. it's not like he's actually upset. >> For the first few years, I thought he's >> For the first few years, I thought he's >> For the first few years, I thought he's never going to be my friend again. I was never going to be my friend again. I was never going to be my friend again. I was really sad about it. But it's You're so really sad about it. But it's You're so really sad about it. But it's You're so right. Like it's so true. Kids are just right. Like it's so true. Kids are just right. Like it's so true. Kids are just >> when the fun games take a turn and >> when the fun games take a turn and >> when the fun games take a turn and you're like, "Oh no, now you're you're like, "Oh no, now you're you're like, "Oh no, now you're scarred." scarred." scarred." >> Totally. And he's 10 years old and now >> Totally. And he's 10 years old and now >> Totally. And he's 10 years old and now he uses it against me and I'm like, he uses it against me and I'm like, he uses it against me and I'm like, "Hey, I've got loads of stories on you." "Hey, I've got loads of stories on you." "Hey, I've got loads of stories on you." Like I've got so many stories on you Like I've got so many stories on you Like I've got so many stories on you being silly when you were younger and being silly when you were younger and being silly when you were younger and we've got video of it, too. So, um, but we've got video of it, too. So, um, but we've got video of it, too. So, um, but no, you're so right, kids. And and I no, you're so right, kids. And and I no, you're so right, kids. And and I guess that's what's so hard with guess that's what's so hard with guess that's what's so hard with children. It's like you you think you're children. It's like you you think you're children. It's like you you think you're doing things right and then doing things right and then doing things right and then >> Yeah. You know, you never know. And >> Yeah. You know, you never know. And >> Yeah. You know, you never know. And that's why I think that overriding love that's why I think that overriding love that's why I think that overriding love is just so valuable, right? Because you is just so valuable, right? Because you is just so valuable, right? Because you can't you can't predict how they're can't you can't predict how they're can't you can't predict how they're going to react to one of these going to react to one of these going to react to one of these experiences, I guess, experiences, I guess, experiences, I guess, >> right? You also just don't know that >> right? You also just don't know that >> right? You also just don't know that you're always doing things right. And I you're always doing things right. And I you're always doing things right. And I think that's okay. I have a lot of think that's okay. I have a lot of think that's okay. I have a lot of confidence in being a parent just confidence in being a parent just confidence in being a parent just because, you know, the more times you do because, you know, the more times you do because, you know, the more times you do something, you're like, "Oh, I know what something, you're like, "Oh, I know what something, you're like, "Oh, I know what this looks like. Oh, I I know how to do this looks like. Oh, I I know how to do this looks like. Oh, I I know how to do this thing." But I've never been a this thing." But I've never been a this thing." But I've never been a parent of a a 14-year-old. And I've parent of a a 14-year-old. And I've parent of a a 14-year-old. And I've never been the parent of a never been the parent of a never been the parent of a eight-year-old girl. Like all of these eight-year-old girl. Like all of these eight-year-old girl. Like all of these things are just it's just a constant things are just it's just a constant things are just it's just a constant checking in, updating. One thing that checking in, updating. One thing that checking in, updating. One thing that works for this kid doesn't work for this works for this kid doesn't work for this works for this kid doesn't work for this kid. And so it is chaotic, but it's so kid. And so it is chaotic, but it's so kid. And so it is chaotic, but it's so fun. And you like learn so much and the fun. And you like learn so much and the fun. And you like learn so much and the love is so big and we laugh a lot. I'm love is so big and we laugh a lot. I'm love is so big and we laugh a lot. I'm so grateful for that. It's so grateful for that. It's so grateful for that. It's >> my favorite. We we have these big doors >> my favorite. We we have these big doors >> my favorite. We we have these big doors that open in the in the back of our that open in the in the back of our that open in the in the back of our house and we just will like open up all house and we just will like open up all house and we just will like open up all the door. We have to put we have cats the door. We have to put we have cats the door. We have to put we have cats now so we have to put the cats away but now so we have to put the cats away but now so we have to put the cats away but we just like open all the doors up and we just like open all the doors up and we just like open all the doors up and it's just like kids running in and out it's just like kids running in and out it's just like kids running in and out and soccer and the backyard and and soccer and the backyard and and soccer and the backyard and everybody playing and jumping on the everybody playing and jumping on the everybody playing and jumping on the trampoline or swimming and trampoline or swimming and trampoline or swimming and >> I just am so appreciative of them and >> I just am so appreciative of them and >> I just am so appreciative of them and >> Matt and what we've built. It's such a >> Matt and what we've built. It's such a >> Matt and what we've built. It's such a such a haven. H how did they end up with such a haven. H how did they end up with such a haven. H how did they end up with all these cool names? all these cool names? all these cool names? >> Like towns and banks and may like >> Like towns and banks and may like >> Like towns and banks and may like >> towns and banks and Maymay. >> towns and banks and Maymay. >> towns and banks and Maymay. >> Gosh, how did they end up with their >> Gosh, how did they end up with their >> Gosh, how did they end up with their names? names? names? >> They're so unique. They're beautiful. >> They're so unique. They're beautiful. >> They're so unique. They're beautiful. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> I know. Well, May that was we thought >> I know. Well, May that was we thought >> I know. Well, May that was we thought she was a boy. She was the only kid that she was a boy. She was the only kid that she was a boy. She was the only kid that we didn't find out when we were having we didn't find out when we were having we didn't find out when we were having cuz we had her in the pandemic and I cuz we had her in the pandemic and I cuz we had her in the pandemic and I think we were all looking for ways to think we were all looking for ways to think we were all looking for ways to entertain ourselves and surprise entertain ourselves and surprise entertain ourselves and surprise ourselves. ourselves. ourselves. >> Yeah, for sure. So, um, we she was a her >> Yeah, for sure. So, um, we she was a her >> Yeah, for sure. So, um, we she was a her like gender was a surprise and we like gender was a surprise and we like gender was a surprise and we thought for sure she was going to be a thought for sure she was going to be a thought for sure she was going to be a boy and she was a girl and both of our boy and she was a girl and both of our boy and she was a girl and both of our moms were born in May. So, we named her moms were born in May. So, we named her moms were born in May. So, we named her Maymay or May and we call her Maymay. Maymay or May and we call her Maymay. Maymay or May and we call her Maymay. She just came to the realization that She just came to the realization that She just came to the realization that her nickname is longer than her real her nickname is longer than her real her nickname is longer than her real name and she's like really confused by name and she's like really confused by name and she's like really confused by why we would do that. why we would do that. why we would do that. >> That that makes a lot of sense. >> That that makes a lot of sense. >> That that makes a lot of sense. >> Yeah. She's smart. >> Yeah. She's smart. >> Yeah. She's smart. >> Yeah. And she introduces herself as >> Yeah. And she introduces herself as >> Yeah. And she introduces herself as Maymay. Maymay. Maymay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But she's like why is Banks not like >> But she's like why is Banks not like >> But she's like why is Banks not like Banks Banks? and like what is going on Banks Banks? and like what is going on Banks Banks? and like what is going on here? here? here? >> They're very funny. >> They're very funny. >> They're very funny. >> Um yeah, I don't I don't think we wanted >> Um yeah, I don't I don't think we wanted >> Um yeah, I don't I don't think we wanted like traditional names, but we also like traditional names, but we also like traditional names, but we also didn't want like names that, you know, didn't want like names that, you know, didn't want like names that, you know, they didn't feel comfortable with as they didn't feel comfortable with as they didn't feel comfortable with as adults. So, we hope we nailed it. But adults. So, we hope we nailed it. But adults. So, we hope we nailed it. But they also have more normal middle names. they also have more normal middle names. they also have more normal middle names. >> Okay. Right. >> Okay. Right. >> Okay. Right. >> I like them. They're so fun. They're so >> I like them. They're so fun. They're so >> I like them. They're so fun. They're so fun. I feel like they I I haven't met fun. I feel like they I I haven't met fun. I feel like they I I haven't met them before, but like like they all them before, but like like they all them before, but like like they all sound like they have a personality based sound like they have a personality based sound like they have a personality based on their names. on their names. on their names. >> They all have a very big personality. I >> They all have a very big personality. I >> They all have a very big personality. I like that the girls names, the two banks like that the girls names, the two banks like that the girls names, the two banks and towns, they kind of have like last and towns, they kind of have like last and towns, they kind of have like last name sounding names which feels strong name sounding names which feels strong name sounding names which feels strong for girls and that was kind of my goal. for girls and that was kind of my goal. for girls and that was kind of my goal. >> Nice. I love it. Hillary, you've been >> Nice. I love it. Hillary, you've been >> Nice. I love it. Hillary, you've been amazing to talk to truly. I I've loved amazing to talk to truly. I I've loved amazing to talk to truly. I I've loved this conversation. I feel like I've this conversation. I feel like I've this conversation. I feel like I've learned so much about you. I feel like I learned so much about you. I feel like I learned so much about you. I feel like I feel closer to you just from how open feel closer to you just from how open feel closer to you just from how open you've been, how vulnerable you've been. you've been, how vulnerable you've been. you've been, how vulnerable you've been. >> We have a couple of games, as I promised >> We have a couple of games, as I promised >> We have a couple of games, as I promised you, segments to finish off our you, segments to finish off our you, segments to finish off our interview. So, I'm going to bring them interview. So, I'm going to bring them interview. So, I'm going to bring them out now. Uh, so there's a couple that we out now. Uh, so there's a couple that we out now. Uh, so there's a couple that we invented recently that we absolutely invented recently that we absolutely invented recently that we absolutely love. And so, this question, uh, this love. And so, this question, uh, this love. And so, this question, uh, this there's two games. The first one is there's two games. The first one is there's two games. The first one is called Would You Rather? And it's the called Would You Rather? And it's the called Would You Rather? And it's the Disney era edition. Disney era edition. Disney era edition. >> Oh, yes. >> Oh, yes. >> Oh, yes. >> Usually we play with like disgusting >> Usually we play with like disgusting >> Usually we play with like disgusting food or like horrible things, but let's food or like horrible things, but let's food or like horrible things, but let's go. go. go. >> This is a lot easier. So, would you >> This is a lot easier. So, would you >> This is a lot easier. So, would you rather have to say, "Hi, I'm Hillary rather have to say, "Hi, I'm Hillary rather have to say, "Hi, I'm Hillary Duff and you're watching Disney Duff and you're watching Disney Duff and you're watching Disney Channel." every time you introduce Channel." every time you introduce Channel." every time you introduce yourself or have the Lizzie Magcguire yourself or have the Lizzie Magcguire yourself or have the Lizzie Magcguire animated character in your head at all animated character in your head at all animated character in your head at all times. times. times. >> Oh, she lives in there rentree baby. >> Oh, she lives in there rentree baby. >> Oh, she lives in there rentree baby. I think I think I would have her living I think I think I would have her living I think I think I would have her living I mean I've accepted her in my head so I mean I've accepted her in my head so I mean I've accepted her in my head so I'm choosing the ladder. I'm choosing the ladder. I'm choosing the ladder. >> Okay, got it. That makes sense. That's >> Okay, got it. That makes sense. That's >> Okay, got it. That makes sense. That's good. All right, we can't see it. You'd good. All right, we can't see it. You'd good. All right, we can't see it. You'd have to do it. So, okay, second one. have to do it. So, okay, second one. have to do it. So, okay, second one. Walk every red carpet now in lowrise Walk every red carpet now in lowrise Walk every red carpet now in lowrise jeans or a scarf worn as a top. No. jeans or a scarf worn as a top. No. jeans or a scarf worn as a top. No. No. So, my option is low-rise jeans on the So, my option is low-rise jeans on the red carpet or a scarf as a top or dress red carpet or a scarf as a top or dress red carpet or a scarf as a top or dress skirt as a top. skirt as a top. skirt as a top. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh my gosh, >> Oh my gosh, >> Oh my gosh, that is so impossible. This is forever. that is so impossible. This is forever. that is so impossible. This is forever. This is for eternity. This is for eternity. This is for eternity. >> This is Yeah. Yeah. It's Would you >> This is Yeah. Yeah. It's Would you >> This is Yeah. Yeah. It's Would you rather? Let's Let's say for the next 12 rather? Let's Let's say for the next 12 rather? Let's Let's say for the next 12 months. Let's say for the next 12 months. Let's say for the next 12 months. Let's say for the next 12 months. months. months. >> That works for me. I'm going low-rise >> That works for me. I'm going low-rise >> That works for me. I'm going low-rise jeans. jeans. jeans. >> Okay, there we go. All right. Perfect. I >> Okay, there we go. All right. Perfect. I >> Okay, there we go. All right. Perfect. I I was being kind. I was being kind. Uh, I was being kind. I was being kind. Uh, I was being kind. I was being kind. Uh, would you rather have come clean play would you rather have come clean play would you rather have come clean play every time it starts raining or have every time it starts raining or have every time it starts raining or have wake up as your alarm clock every wake up as your alarm clock every wake up as your alarm clock every morning? morning? morning? >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Well, I feel like every time it's >> Well, I feel like every time it's >> Well, I feel like every time it's raining and I open Instagram, come clean raining and I open Instagram, come clean raining and I open Instagram, come clean is playing is playing is playing >> in your head. >> in your head. >> in your head. >> Yeah. But the way that I'm going to >> Yeah. But the way that I'm going to >> Yeah. But the way that I'm going to skirt around this is that we live in LA skirt around this is that we live in LA skirt around this is that we live in LA and it doesn't rain very often. So, I'm and it doesn't rain very often. So, I'm and it doesn't rain very often. So, I'm choosing that one. choosing that one. choosing that one. >> Good answer. These are great responses. >> Good answer. These are great responses. >> Good answer. These are great responses. I love that. Okay. Very good. Uh, I love that. Okay. Very good. Uh, I love that. Okay. Very good. Uh, there's so many more. I'll have to send there's so many more. I'll have to send there's so many more. I'll have to send you some of these cuz I need to get you some of these cuz I need to get you some of these cuz I need to get through some of these questions. But uh through some of these questions. But uh through some of these questions. But uh this is the last one of the would you this is the last one of the would you this is the last one of the would you rather Disney era edition. rather Disney era edition. rather Disney era edition. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Would you rather bring back ultra thin >> Would you rather bring back ultra thin >> Would you rather bring back ultra thin eyebrows or foundation over the lips? eyebrows or foundation over the lips? eyebrows or foundation over the lips? >> You definitely didn't come up with that >> You definitely didn't come up with that >> You definitely didn't come up with that one. one. one. >> I didn't. >> I didn't. >> I didn't. >> Whoa. I think >> Whoa. I think >> Whoa. I think that's so tough. I think I'm going to go that's so tough. I think I'm going to go that's so tough. I think I'm going to go with ultra thin eyebrows. Might be a with ultra thin eyebrows. Might be a with ultra thin eyebrows. Might be a vibe. vibe. vibe. >> I think so. I hope like the 12-month >> I think so. I hope like the 12-month >> I think so. I hope like the 12-month rule can be applied to this answer. 12 rule can be applied to this answer. 12 rule can be applied to this answer. 12 months applies thin. months applies thin. months applies thin. >> I'm gonna go thin eyebrow. I never want >> I'm gonna go thin eyebrow. I never want >> I'm gonna go thin eyebrow. I never want foundation on my lips again. That was foundation on my lips again. That was foundation on my lips again. That was like a must before I went out. I would like a must before I went out. I would like a must before I went out. I would just like blot out my lips. Now we're just like blot out my lips. Now we're just like blot out my lips. Now we're like all crayoning to make our lips like all crayoning to make our lips like all crayoning to make our lips bigger. bigger. bigger. >> That's fascinating, isn't it? Hence 12 >> That's fascinating, isn't it? Hence 12 >> That's fascinating, isn't it? Hence 12 months makes sense because you never months makes sense because you never months makes sense because you never know, word could come back. know, word could come back. know, word could come back. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> Okay, this game's called gut reaction. >> Okay, this game's called gut reaction. >> Okay, this game's called gut reaction. So, you have to just finish the So, you have to just finish the So, you have to just finish the sentence. sentence. sentence. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> One thing my kids make fun of me for is >> One thing my kids make fun of me for is >> One thing my kids make fun of me for is >> getting gotten by AI. What do you mean? >> getting gotten by AI. What do you mean? >> getting gotten by AI. What do you mean? Oh, you'll literally be like, "This is Oh, you'll literally be like, "This is Oh, you'll literally be like, "This is real." real." real." >> Oh, yeah. I'm like, "Look at this." My >> Oh, yeah. I'm like, "Look at this." My >> Oh, yeah. I'm like, "Look at this." My son's like, "Cats don't jump on son's like, "Cats don't jump on son's like, "Cats don't jump on trampolines." So, that's You're insane. trampolines." So, that's You're insane. trampolines." So, that's You're insane. I'm like, "Right, got it. Got it. Got I'm like, "Right, got it. Got it. Got I'm like, "Right, got it. Got it. Got it. it. it. >> It It is getting scary." I know. >> It It is getting scary." I know. >> It It is getting scary." I know. >> It is getting scary. Me and my wife, >> It is getting scary. Me and my wife, >> It is getting scary. Me and my wife, >> it's easy to like giggle about it right >> it's easy to like giggle about it right >> it's easy to like giggle about it right now and some of the things that we see now and some of the things that we see now and some of the things that we see are like funny, but no, it's I don't are like funny, but no, it's I don't are like funny, but no, it's I don't like it at all. like it at all. like it at all. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's scary. All right. Uh, >> Yeah. Yeah, it's scary. All right. Uh, >> Yeah. Yeah, it's scary. All right. Uh, the most cringe moment of me on the the most cringe moment of me on the the most cringe moment of me on the internet I wish could be erased is internet I wish could be erased is internet I wish could be erased is >> Oh gosh. >> Oh gosh. >> Oh gosh. The most cringe moment of me on the The most cringe moment of me on the The most cringe moment of me on the internet. internet. internet. Honestly, I probably felt like it was Honestly, I probably felt like it was Honestly, I probably felt like it was the with love dance for a long time, but the with love dance for a long time, but the with love dance for a long time, but now now now >> you've owned it. >> you've owned it. >> you've owned it. >> We're back, baby. >> We're back, baby. >> We're back, baby. >> We're back. I love that. It's I It's >> We're back. I love that. It's I It's >> We're back. I love that. It's I It's been all over my Tik Tok feed. Like, been all over my Tik Tok feed. Like, been all over my Tik Tok feed. Like, I've not seen anything else. I've been I've not seen anything else. I've been I've not seen anything else. I've been showing it to everyone. I'm like, "Yeah, showing it to everyone. I'm like, "Yeah, showing it to everyone. I'm like, "Yeah, it's all I've been It's all I've been it's all I've been It's all I've been it's all I've been It's all I've been seeing and sharing." Uh, the first I'm seeing and sharing." Uh, the first I'm seeing and sharing." Uh, the first I'm not jo I'm not joking. First artist not jo I'm not joking. First artist not jo I'm not joking. First artist you'd want next to you on a long tour you'd want next to you on a long tour you'd want next to you on a long tour bus ride? bus ride? bus ride? >> Probably Taylor Swift because I bet >> Probably Taylor Swift because I bet >> Probably Taylor Swift because I bet those buses are nice. those buses are nice. those buses are nice. >> Oh, you want to go on her bus? Yeah, >> Oh, you want to go on her bus? Yeah, >> Oh, you want to go on her bus? Yeah, this was on your tour bus. this was on your tour bus. this was on your tour bus. >> Oh, okay. Well, she would probably give >> Oh, okay. Well, she would probably give >> Oh, okay. Well, she would probably give me all the tips for tour cuz she hasn't me all the tips for tour cuz she hasn't me all the tips for tour cuz she hasn't stopped. stopped. stopped. >> Absolutely. Yeah, those those I mean >> Absolutely. Yeah, those those I mean >> Absolutely. Yeah, those those I mean tours are hard work. I've never done tours are hard work. I've never done tours are hard work. I've never done anything nearly as long as any musician anything nearly as long as any musician anything nearly as long as any musician on the planet. I did like 40 shows two on the planet. I did like 40 shows two on the planet. I did like 40 shows two years ago and I was like this is insane. years ago and I was like this is insane. years ago and I was like this is insane. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. really hard. really hard. really hard. >> Unbelievable. >> Unbelievable. >> Unbelievable. >> I was just gone for 12 days and I almost >> I was just gone for 12 days and I almost >> I was just gone for 12 days and I almost like cried when I just like like saw my like cried when I just like like saw my like cried when I just like like saw my pillows on my bed and I was like, "Oh, pillows on my bed and I was like, "Oh, pillows on my bed and I was like, "Oh, it's going to be a good night. I get my it's going to be a good night. I get my it's going to be a good night. I get my pillows back." pillows back." pillows back." >> Hillary, we end every episode of On >> Hillary, we end every episode of On >> Hillary, we end every episode of On Purpose with a final five. These Purpose with a final five. These Purpose with a final five. These questions have to be answered in one questions have to be answered in one questions have to be answered in one sentence maximum. sentence maximum. sentence maximum. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Um, so Hillary Duff, these are your >> Um, so Hillary Duff, these are your >> Um, so Hillary Duff, these are your final five. The first question is, what final five. The first question is, what final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or is the best advice you've ever heard or is the best advice you've ever heard or received? received? received? >> Do you because everyone else has taken? >> Do you because everyone else has taken? >> Do you because everyone else has taken? Great advice. Uh, second question. What Great advice. Uh, second question. What Great advice. Uh, second question. What is the worst advice you've ever heard or is the worst advice you've ever heard or is the worst advice you've ever heard or received? received? received? >> Never grow up. >> Never grow up. >> Never grow up. >> Third question. Your favorite thing >> Third question. Your favorite thing >> Third question. Your favorite thing about Matt that you don't say to him about Matt that you don't say to him about Matt that you don't say to him enough? enough? enough? >> He's really handsome. >> He's really handsome. >> He's really handsome. >> There you go, Matt. >> There you go, Matt. >> There you go, Matt. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Can play this as many times as you want. >> Can play this as many times as you want. >> Can play this as many times as you want. >> I know. He's really I I mean, I just I >> I know. He's really I I mean, I just I >> I know. He's really I I mean, I just I love looking at him and I think that love looking at him and I think that love looking at him and I think that he's such a funny guy that it's easy to he's such a funny guy that it's easy to he's such a funny guy that it's easy to just be like, "Yeah, he's so funny. He's just be like, "Yeah, he's so funny. He's just be like, "Yeah, he's so funny. He's like the best." It's easy to like the best." It's easy to like the best." It's easy to >> He keeps us laughing. like he's just >> He keeps us laughing. like he's just >> He keeps us laughing. like he's just like really like really like really >> a fun funny like goof, but he's so >> a fun funny like goof, but he's so >> a fun funny like goof, but he's so handsome. handsome. handsome. >> I love it. Uh, fourth question. Uh, will >> I love it. Uh, fourth question. Uh, will >> I love it. Uh, fourth question. Uh, will we ever get a Lizzie Magcguire reboot? we ever get a Lizzie Magcguire reboot? we ever get a Lizzie Magcguire reboot? >> I can't answer this in one sentence, but >> I can't answer this in one sentence, but >> I can't answer this in one sentence, but I can say that right now it's not in the I can say that right now it's not in the I can say that right now it's not in the cards. I have a world tour to go on and cards. I have a world tour to go on and cards. I have a world tour to go on and that's going to take me a few years, I that's going to take me a few years, I that's going to take me a few years, I think. But when I think about Lizzy, you think. But when I think about Lizzy, you think. But when I think about Lizzy, you know, I was really excited thinking know, I was really excited thinking know, I was really excited thinking about her at 30 and going through 30 about her at 30 and going through 30 about her at 30 and going through 30 year old things year old things year old things and now I can't really see her at 40. and now I can't really see her at 40. and now I can't really see her at 40. Maybe I could start to see her around Maybe I could start to see her around Maybe I could start to see her around like 55, 60. And I think that's like 55, 60. And I think that's like 55, 60. And I think that's interesting. interesting. interesting. >> That is interesting. We'd love to see >> That is interesting. We'd love to see >> That is interesting. We'd love to see that. I love it. All right. Very, very that. I love it. All right. Very, very that. I love it. All right. Very, very good answer. Fifth and final question. good answer. Fifth and final question. good answer. Fifth and final question. We ask this to every guest who's ever We ask this to every guest who's ever We ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create been on the show. If you could create been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had one law that everyone in the world had one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be? to follow, what would it be? to follow, what would it be? >> I wanted to say like love, like loving >> I wanted to say like love, like loving >> I wanted to say like love, like loving each other, but you don't have to love each other, but you don't have to love each other, but you don't have to love everyone you come into contact with and everyone you come into contact with and everyone you come into contact with and you don't have to like trust everyone you don't have to like trust everyone you don't have to like trust everyone >> and you don't also don't have to accept >> and you don't also don't have to accept >> and you don't also don't have to accept like that's the other thing like accept like that's the other thing like accept like that's the other thing like accept accept everyone. accept everyone. accept everyone. >> But I think that there needs to be some >> But I think that there needs to be some >> But I think that there needs to be some guidelines. guidelines. guidelines. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Do you know what I mean? Like the basic >> Do you know what I mean? Like the basic >> Do you know what I mean? Like the basic things. things. things. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I wish there was just acceptance of like >> I wish there was just acceptance of like >> I wish there was just acceptance of like everybody being like created equal and everybody being like created equal and everybody being like created equal and >> accepted for >> accepted for >> accepted for um um um skin tone or gender or whatever. skin tone or gender or whatever. skin tone or gender or whatever. >> But there has to be some rules in place >> But there has to be some rules in place >> But there has to be some rules in place >> for like bad people. >> for like bad people. >> for like bad people. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So I guess like >> So I guess like >> So I guess like using common sense with acceptance. using common sense with acceptance. using common sense with acceptance. >> Hillary Duff, thank you so much. I'm so >> Hillary Duff, thank you so much. I'm so >> Hillary Duff, thank you so much. I'm so excited for everyone to hear your album. excited for everyone to hear your album. excited for everyone to hear your album. So excited. I I hope I get to come see So excited. I I hope I get to come see So excited. I I hope I get to come see you on tour. I'm really excited to see you on tour. I'm really excited to see you on tour. I'm really excited to see you perform live. Let's go. I will keep you perform live. Let's go. I will keep you perform live. Let's go. I will keep you updated. you updated. you updated. >> I would love that. This was such a joy, >> I would love that. This was such a joy, >> I would love that. This was such a joy, such a treat. Thank you for being so such a treat. Thank you for being so such a treat. Thank you for being so open. I hope you got to share everything open. I hope you got to share everything open. I hope you got to share everything you wanted to share. you wanted to share. you wanted to share. >> I hope you feel seen and heard and uh so >> I hope you feel seen and heard and uh so >> I hope you feel seen and heard and uh so grateful that you trusted me and trusted grateful that you trusted me and trusted grateful that you trusted me and trusted our platform to come and be so open. So, our platform to come and be so open. So, our platform to come and be so open. So, thank you so much. thank you so much. thank you so much. >> Thank you. Yeah. No, I really enjoyed >> Thank you. Yeah. No, I really enjoyed >> Thank you. Yeah. No, I really enjoyed him. him. him. >> Yeah. Thank you. If you love this >> Yeah. Thank you. If you love this >> Yeah. Thank you. If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode episode, you'll really enjoy my episode episode, you'll really enjoy my episode with Selena Gomez on befriending your with Selena Gomez on befriending your with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how to speak to inner critic and how to speak to inner critic and how to speak to yourself with more compassion. There's yourself with more compassion. There's yourself with more compassion. There's blessing in the breaking.