Guaranteed Muscle-Building Methods Most People Ignore | Mind Pump 2751

Key Takeaway

Building muscle requires three non-negotiables: adequate sleep (8+ hours nightly), proper nutrition (eating enough calories), and consistent strength training without overtraining. Most people fail because they overtrain while undereating and undersleeping, creating a stress overflow that prevents muscle growth. Focus on getting stronger at compound movements 80% of the time, treating workouts like practice sessions rather than torture sessions.

Episode Overview

This episode breaks down the guaranteed fundamentals for building muscle: sleep, nutrition, and appropriate training stimulus. The hosts discuss why muscle building doesn't happen accidentally, the importance of managing total stress load, and why getting stronger is the best metric for muscle growth in the first few years of training.

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Building muscle, one of the most important things you can do or target when it comes to your workouts, regardless of whether or not you want to lose fat or get bigger and stronger. Of course, building muscle helps all of those things. So, we're going to talk about today the guaranteed ways that you can build muscle. How do you measure it? How do you make it happen? That's what we're going to talk about. Let's go. The guarantees. The guarantees. The guarantees. Yeah. Well, I think fir first and foremost is is probably proper programming in relation to uh stress and everything else you have going on in your life.

Um and the and proper programming in the sense of the most appropriate uh movements and exercise. I mean, I don't know where you're going as far as your first main tip with this, but that's the first thing that comes to mind for me is that Well, I I agree. I mean, balanced recovery is a huge part of and and building muscle doesn't happen on accident. I think that's what we're kind of pointing to. Yeah, it's not like an accidental [snorts] adaptation that happens. You, let's be clear, your body doesn't just want to build muscle.

It's expensive tissue. Um, [snorts] requires more resources. It's functional tissue. So, your body has to have a reason uh to want to add this expensive tissue. expensive tissue. expensive tissue. And then it has to have a reason to keep it, too. it, too. it, too. That's right. That's right. That's right. So, it's it's uh it'll it'll go away very quickly uh if you don't use it. I mean, I feel like when I when I communicate to clients, it's it's it's the the steps to doing it are simple yet hard, right?

So, it's like there's there there's a handful of things if we do properly that we will build muscle and it's relatively easy. Uh but doing that and doing that consistently uh is the hard part. hard part. hard part. Well, I think too we also have to paint the right context when it comes to diet and sleep because if diet and sleep are not uh appropriate for muscle building, it won't happen. So, I know you mentioned programming. I think we should definitely talk about that. But if you're not getting good if you're not getting adequate sleep, you're not going to build muscle.

That's just not going to happen. It doesn't matter how great your workout programming is. Uh if your sleep is crap, your your body doesn't want to build muscle. And there's really interesting studies on this uh where just how much it limits you. I mean, there's a there's a great study where they had groups of people uh on a calorie controlled restricted diet. two groups, same diet, uh same everything except one group had bad sleep, one group had good sleep. The bad sleep group lost so much muscle.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In comparison to the other group because uh poor sleep is just a terrible uh it's an incredible stress on the body. Well, I I really look at it as like you're engineering this environment like it's a bubble for creating muscle. So, you have to um look at it you have to um look at it like I need to have adequate rest sleep in conjunction with what I stressed my body out with. us deliberately. Yeah, we you say that though so lz fair or easy yet this is an area where I think [snorts] a lot of people get wrong and I think it's important to talk about why they get that wrong because if how many times have you had a client or even yourself maybe in earlier years where you got really poor sleep and then you had a hard workout and you felt so good.

Yeah. M. Yeah. M. Yeah. M. And so a lot of people will connect that feeling that they got from that cortisol spike, from that hard workout and go like, "Oh, I feel so much now. I got that out. Oh, I feel I feel so much better." better." better." Even though results will probably not follow because of of the way they're going about it, but in their head, they're attached to that feeling they got from that workout. And that becomes a cycle that's really tough for people to see or understand.

Stress hormones give you energy. That's why you have them. uh your body produces uh or elevates stress hormones to give you energy when you're under a lot of stress and lack of sleep uh will do that. So, it feels good initially to get that extra boost of cortisol. By the way, if you keep pushing that button though, eventually you'll you'll crash everything. everything. everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then you'll be so dead and so tired and so uh sick essentially you can't do anything. But a lot of people don't get them themselves that far.

But what they do uh is they confuse the fact that they're able to function with that they have adequate sleep for muscle growth. Uh the human body is quite resilient when it comes to sleep. So meaning you can go about your day, you won't do a great job, but you can go about your day um and so many of us don't have are so suboptimal with our sleep so consistently that we don't realize that we're sub-optimal and we're surviving on caffeine and stimulants. You know what that feels like?

That's right. And so we think, oh, you know, I'm okay. You know, I get up to go to work and, you know, I can do my my things. It's not until I have an infant and I get, you know, three hours of sleep a night that I don't feel sleep deprived. So, no, it's there's an adequate there's a there's a there's an amount of sleep that's essentially uh necessary to build any substantial muscle and it's uh it's like eight hours a night uh consistently. So, that's one part of the picture.

The second part is you have to eat adequately. So you can, this is how big of a deal this is. You could have great strength training and good sleep. If you eat too little, not only will you not build muscle, you'll actually get yourself to a point where you can have osteopenia or osteoporosis. And I've seen this where we have, you know, I I've been with fitness experts where [snorts] they were really consistent about the workout. They're really good with their sleep, but they had uh disordered eating and so they just ate too little.

and they would, you know, get bone scans and the doctor's like, "You're losing bone mass. How's that possible? You lift weights." Well, you've been eating 1300 calories for years and years and years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You have to feed yourself properly. So, that's just the building block. So, you could you could send all the blueprints and instructions to your body and your body could be ready with the workers to build this muscle. Just imagine you're building a house. You got your construction workers. You've got the the blueprints and they're sitting around waiting for the bricks, mortar, 2x4s, and sheetrock.

and it doesn't arrive, you're not building anything. It's just not happening. So, you have to feed yourself appropriately, otherwise you're not going to build anything. Everybody knows that strength training exercise is good for the body, but I don't think they all recognize that it's a stress. It's a good stress because of the the change, the adaptation that it elicits, but it still accounts for stress. And if you have a bucket that you can only feel so much of stress up and you you're already stressed at work, stressed at home, you're not getting good sleep, and then you're also stressing the body physically with this workout, it overspills.

And when it overspills, you're not going to see the results that you want to. And so I think that's where a lot of people go wrong because we attach exercises, working out as a good thing or what a lot of people think, it relieves my stress. like I've got all this stress, but when I work out, that's the one that's why I like to work out. In fact, I can't tell you how many times I hear that that's one of the main motivators to go train hard and exercise is because it makes me feel good about all the stress that I'm doing.

But what they don't realize they're doing is they're they're overfilling that. And maybe they don't do it so chronically that health conditions happen, but they do it chronic enough that they're at a hard plateau, yet they think they're doing all the right things. It's like, man, I'm eating good. I'm making good food choices. I'm following a MAPS program, but then yet I'm not seeing the results I I want to and it's because that that that stress bucket is is overflowing. That's the conundrum uh you know with with the stress hormone uh feeling and and because it does provide you with this jolt of energy.

So to keep attributing uh that really hard workout with then I finally get this energy boost that I needed throughout the day and it's this perpetual cycle where you're never really fully recovering. So, you don't actually make progress and build, but at the same time, you're you're chasing that feeling. It's it's the hardest thing in the world to convince a client or a person who's attached that feeling. That's right. That's right. That's right. Because Because Because super hard. super hard. super hard. I don't care how smart you are, how experienced you are, they know how they feel.

feel. feel. And of all the stress and all the [ __ ] they have in their life, the one thing that seems to feel good and consistent is that that dump of hormones from that that hard workout that they just did. And so who am I to come in and be like, "Yeah, [snorts] that's probably not a good idea for us." Well, it can be even more than that, Adam. It could also just be an escape. Uh, you know, in a similar way to like like alcohol is a stress reliever.

A lot of times it is. Uh, and it does in the temp in the in the short term cause stress relief, but we know and you know, I'm using alcohol as an extreme example because I think everybody knows not a great way to relieve your stress consistently. Exercise can become a way to avoid feelings. It could be in a way to distract yourself. So, you see this with people who chronically overtrain is they they're like, "Oh, this is the one time of the day when I don't feel stressed." Why?

Because you're you're uh in this state of pain and exhaustion, and it's a bit of an avoidant uh approach. That's training. That's training with detachment. detachment. detachment. Yes. And you're also uh adding so much stress to your body physically. Uh and you'll ignore it as long as you possibly can until you get hurt or until you get, you know, we used to call this adrenal fatigue back in the day. and now it's called something else, you know, HPA axis dysfunction axis dysfunction axis dysfunction where suddenly your hormones feel like they're just like what's going on here?

So, uh, no, it needs to be appropriate uh, stimulus. Now, the question that people will have is, okay, well, if I'm eating adequately and I'm getting good sleep, how do I know that my program is is building muscle? Besides the fact that you're actually building muscle, how do I know that I'm following the right program? right program? right program? Getting strong. Getting strong. Getting strong. Getting stronger. Getting stronger. Getting stronger. Sleeping well. Getting getting stronger is the best way to objectively measure whether or not your program is going to be building muscle.

It just is. If you're getting cons, this is especially true for the first three years of training. Later on, there are other ways to progressively overload. You can't get stronger forever, right? There's limitations and you can decouple strength gains from muscle gains at the advanced level. So when you get real advanced, then it's like intensity and volume and there's other things you play with cuz like I said, you can't just perpetually get stronger forever. But for the first three years, maybe 5 years for some people, yeah, it's your best metric.

It's strength. It's strength. It's strength. So when you're going to the gym and you're adding two reps or a rep or five or 10 pounds to the bar, your dumbbells getting heavier, you're just feeling like you could perform the reps better, you're getting you're building muscle. You just just know that that's the direction that you're going. And what it typically looks like just for people who are in this stage is [snorts] you'll see strength gain, strength gain, strength gain, muscle. It doesn't typically look, they don't always work together.

Often times I'll have clients who are just getting stronger for a little while and then suddenly boom, 3, four pounds of muscle pops on their body. Today's giveaway is maps anabolic advanced. If you want to win, leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll notify you in the comment section. Also, brand new program released, MAPS 1540 Plus. So, this is the 15minute version of our popular program maps 40 plus, and it's half off.

Go check it out. Go to 1540plus.com. That's 1540plus.com. That's 1540plus.com. That's 1540plus.com. Use the code December50 for the discount. Back to the show. All right, real quick. If you love us like we love you, why not show it by rocking one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or training gear over at mypumpstore.com. I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mypumpstore.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. What do you Okay, I have some theories on that. What do you think are the main reasons why that a lot of times that's the the client who is doing a lot of the things correctly in in regards to the programming maybe sleep all the other stuff they're doing and and and their CNS is adapting good and then they unlock the diet part where all a sudden they get really consistent or they feed the body appropriately and then all a sudden then you see this response even if everything's locked in though I'm sure you guys experienced this where everything's locked in you're working out and you you get strong and then it's like after two or three sessions of getting stronger then you see the muscle like the way a child You know what I'm saying?

Like we all we all think that they like incrementally grow that if you see the studies. Yeah. The way it looks is you look at it in like a 90day period and then all a sudden there'll be an overnight 2inch growth. growth. growth. Yeah. Good example. And so it's just but yet it's like you're doing all these right things and then it doesn't scale doesn't move. Mirror doesn't really change much but then all a sudden something turns. Yeah. The theory is that the the central nervous system adaptations happen first.

So that's like my you know the computer system that drives my muscle right that that tell that gives it the signal to fire that gets them to work together communicates recruits and then fires that adapts first. So that's those are the initial strength gains but once it starts to exhaust that potential then your body reaches a point where it goes we need larger muscle fibers and then it goes into the muscle fibers. By the way that's another uh you know hint that shows you that your body doesn't want to build muscle unless the environment is right for it.

Right. So, in fact, it'll do everything it can to not build muscle because it is a big that's a big investment. I go back to the environment thing. It's like, you know, that's why you have to do it for an elongated period of time because it's like, well, I live in this, you know, is what you're telling your body. It's not like, you know, a oneoff where it's like, I'm stressed. Oh my god, I have to like, you know, have this strength at this moment. No, I have to have this strength continuously.

That's right. That's right. That's right. You know, this reminds me also of another conversation that we've had on here. Last night, uh, Kyle and I did the webinar for all the people that purchased the mass programs this last month. And, uh, one of the questions that was asked, uh, was, you know, can I can I continue still seeing results and not train to failure? And I feel like that's, uh, also part of this problem is there's, we've seen the studies and the research that points to the benefits of training to failure.

But the mistake that people uh make or don't realize is that these studies are done in these control groups where they control these people's diet and sleep and all these things and it's like oh this group is not going to train to failure. This was going to train to failure. Oh this group that trained a failure got this percent more whatever more whatever more whatever and it's like this isn't this perfect environment which is not life. Mhm. And so if you have these if you are always trying to trying to insert training to failure because you've seen what the studies say about the benefits of more muscle gain, but you fail to realize the conversation that we just had about stress, then you just pour on even more stress than just the actual stress coming from the workout by training to failure.

And so you can absolutely never train to failure and continually see progress. And I think that's a big myth. And it and in fact, the reason why we don't promote that way of training most times is not because I don't understand the benefits and not because I don't train to failure sometimes, but it's because most people haven't learned how to modify intensity properly. And you're better off kind of leaning towards ah training toward 80% majority of the time than trying to insert training to failure when you don't know how.

You have to have a real knowledge base before you stress the hinges to that degree, to that intensity. uh because yeah, you do have to know how to navigate through that, be able to apply adequate rest to compliment. I'll give you my experience. I'm I'm, you know, advanced in the sense that I've been doing this for so long. So, personally, if I train to failure, here's the difference in volume because you can't just train to failure. You got to you have to make up for that additional stress in other areas.

So, if I'm typically going to do nine sets for a muscle group in a workout and then I decide to train to failure, I go from nine sets to one or two. Mhm. So, my volume went from nine sets intense, not failure, but intense down to two to failure. That's the way the workout looks now, cuz I just went way more intense. more intense. more intense. But I dramatically reduced the volume. Not to mention, you're also, which you're not communicating right now, you're also factoring in what does my last three days of sleep and nutrition look like, too.

All of it. Because I already know that if you were to walk into your workout say today, and your plan originally was, I'm going to failure today. I'm going to scale back these sets. I'm only going to do two, but I'm going to go to failure. I bet that even changes if you had two nights of poor sleep. You missed your protein intake. It's like you're not also going to stress the hinges to Justin's point when you've just had a series of two or three days like that.

I I think the best way to communicate this to people is uh you want to look at your workout as maybe 80 90% of the time what you're kind of doing is cruising. Cruising. Cruising. Cruising. You're I mean you're you're you're consistent. You're training. you're it's you know it's not coasting in the sense that you walk in you don't feel anything like you go in you work out 10 10 15% of the time is when you really push it push it push it but most people the opposite most people like 90% of the time pushing it when they're motivated when they first get started get started get started and then 10% of the time they coast because their body scream yes and and that is a recipe uh uh towards poor results better results happen when you kind of coast and then you do these little sprints but getting stronger I'm going to say this again getting stronger Stronger is the best way to continue to build muscle.

And people are like, "What do you mean stronger? One rep max?" No, no, stronger. So, in your 10 reps sets, your 20 rep sets, your your five rep sets, sets, sets, did your load increase? You're just Yeah. For the first few years at least, this is what you chase. This is when when I had clients, the first three years, this is all we did. Can I get you stronger? Especially at the big lifts, which is another thing I want to communicate is, you know, getting stronger at a barbell squat is going to give me way more muscle than getting stronger at a leg extension.

getting stronger at an overhead press can give me way, you know, more muscle than getting stronger at a lateral raise. And so that's the other thing, too. Where should I get stronger? Everything. Well, that would be nice, but why don't you just try to get stronger at the big compound lifts? Use the other ones to kind of touch up, you know, what's going on and then watch what happens to to your body. Well, and one of my favorite things that you've communi communicated on here before is the the what does that approach look like?

And it looks like practice. practice. practice. Yep. versus going into a workout like a workout like, "Oh, I need to sweat. I need to get sore. I need I need to beat myself up. I need to feel it." Going that direction and going like, "Hey, I'm still learning this this squat exercise. I'm still getting better at this this deadlift movement. I'm still trying to perfect this overhead press." And so, I'm going to I'm really I care more about the movement of it and getting good at the exercise than I care about did that go to failure?

Did that really crush me? Did I sweat a lot? Did I burn a lot from it? And I think if a lot of people went into their workouts with that mentality of, okay, I'm going after practicing to get good at this movement, it would serve them. They would build the muscle. They would build the consistency. They would get all the things they'd want uh a lot easier than the effort they were putting in before. Totally. All right, I'm going to change directions and talk a little bit about you something that's much more on my radar now that we work with a partner that um that you know communicates the the benefit of filtering the water you wash yourself with.

So, I've been drinking filtered water now forever. I think everybody in this room has I know we all grew up drinking tap water and out of the hose. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But you when you look at uh the amount of um now chemicals and heavy metals that can be found in water, birth control. Uh yeah, that's that's interesting. They will find Yeah. What was it? What's the trace percentage of that? Now, you know, one of you brought that up. It's not a ton, but when you're drinking it and washing yourself with it like for years, years, years, will it play a role?

I think so. I think you want to minimize your exposure to, you know, xenoestrogen stuff like anyway, anyway, anyway, your skin is is the largest organ in your body and you do absorb things through your skin and filtering the water you wash yourself with, it's probably pretty important. It's one of those things. And so we we've had a filter for our kids for a while, but now that we work with Jolie, now we have the shower head that's, you know, for adults, too. And it's you got to filter this.

You talk about all the science part of it, but I the pressure of its feels the best. best. best. I'm good. I'm glad that it's better for us. I'm definitely glad it's better for us. But I put it on when I moved in this new place and the the the head itself as far as like the water pressure and the way it comes out is so much better than the one I had before. But what's crazy is that they test for certain things in tap water, but if they don't know to test for something, they they won't or they can't necessarily.

So, not saying tap water is the worst. Uh I think we have some of the best tap water in the world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um but some places actually not so great. This it's interesting for a municipality to to like hard water. Like is that just like an excess amount of minerals, right? Yeah. That's that's the definition. That's where Yeah. It's where it like leaves the white, you know, whatever crust on your shower door. Yeah. I've been in like hotels that have that and you feel that.

Yeah, dude. I mean, is there is there a difference from a water softener and then something like this? Are they doing the same? the same? the same? Water softeners are just looking at getting rid of the minerals. So Jolie's shower head is a filter. Okay, good. cuz I have both. I already have a water softener in the house and then we've also put that on there. Weird question that I should know the answer to that. I'm going to put Doug on the spot. Maybe you can look for it because I I I Do I have to change the filter inside the the the I do a real six months or so.

I I'm glad I asked that. I'm coming up on Yeah, right. It's a real filter. I got like two. Oh, good to know cuz I wasn't sure. I know what I It's pretty easy to put together which is really nice, dude. You know what's so what's crazy about this is this this is a big this is actually starting to become for me now on my priority list a larger concern uh where you want to look at your overall chemical load because we're so we're exposed to a little bit here and there but everywhere but everywhere but everywhere that um I mean this is you know researchers will will speculate this maybe one of the reasons why hormone imbalances are so becoming more common is because of our exposure to chemicals in the air, in this in the in the food that we eat, the our cooking wear, you know, packages.

So, you know, perfumes, deodorants, it just it just told So, here's a here's a huge one. Air fryers. Have you guys seen the chemicals in air fryers? No. No. No. Oh, it's the worst. No, No, No, they're the worst. No, I didn't. I I'm just thankful we we went uh with this other company, our place. Um place. Um place. Um Oh, they have chemical free I haven't switched. switched. switched. Our other one died. um the air fryer and so I looked to see if they had air fryers and they have air fryers and it's sick.

It's like a really cool design, everything. But it's very it's very uh it's a lot more effective than the other one I had. It like cooks it all the way through. through. through. So we had an air fryer for a second. So I'm glad our place has one because they're the they do all their stuff forever uh chemical free. So none of that stuff in there. I had an air fryer. My wife and I looked up I didn't know I was getting that, bro. We looked up safe air fryers.

They don't exist. Well, now air our place has it. Yeah, it. Yeah, it. Yeah, but air fryers are the worst. What? What? What? Bro, I coated. Oh, Oh, Oh, I just knew we needed one. I'm so glad. I didn't know that Teflon is a nonflon where where where dude. dude. dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. I did not know that. Yeah. And it cooks at such high temperature temperature temperature between that and your candles, dude. I mean, I got rid of the candles, bro. I let go of the candles.

Although, I still do the the the logs. You know what I'm saying? I'm sure you do [clears throat] the chemical logs. logs. logs. What are you doing, dude? Those are the worst, bro. worst, bro. worst, bro. The fake logs. Well, find me a partner. Find me a partner. This guy logs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just buy wood. That's a pain in the ass, dude. That's a pain in the ass. Find me a log. Hey, chop me some wood. Hey, how well would we do with a log sponsor?

sponsor? sponsor? How well you think we're going to do with a face serum? You know what I'm saying? I I did not think we were going to crush a face serum. You know what I'm saying? Apparently, a lot of people care about that stuff. Log. So, I bet you're doing sponsored by Log. Hold on. You're doing the composite like the legit fake. Yeah. Fire logs. Duraf flame. Is that what it is? Oh, bro. Come on. Don't tell me it's like worse than that. Is it? That's the worst.

Yeah, it's probably not good for you, Doug. Look up. Let's have fun. It's going It's going up into the chimney, dog. chimney, dog. chimney, dog. No, you're smart. I want to mention this air fryer. It's kind of uh interesting. I don't have one. It has actually a thing where you can put some water in the top that will create some steam. Uh the place one does. Yes. So, apparently it helps with crisping things and for example, bread and that type of thing. So easy to clean, too, in comparison to the other one.

I had like these little trays that pull out. So I did not even think that you guys got a mess. You have to check everything now. Yeah, everything is dangerous. We're chemical world, dude. Doug, look up the Say look up the chemicals in the fire logs. fire logs. fire logs. And the fire logs. I just bought a whole another box right now, too. Just wood. I was burning a log last night. Come on. Tell me. Tell me. So I can freak out about that now, too.

I mean, you know, generally burning wood there's it'll create particulate matter. Yeah, that's right. So, let's But I you know I I we've been doing that for thousands of years. I thought it was just I thought it was just like compressed like sawdust. Colored flames. Colored flames. Colored flames. No, bro. They got all kinds. How do you keep it compressed? Why? I'm sure there's some stuff in there. there. there. Wax. I don't know what we got. So, it's got like paraffin and stuff like that and it but uh it does release uh chemicals like policy aromic hydrocarbons and formaldahhide.

formaldahhide. formaldahhide. Oh, that makes stupid. That's why I'm stupid. I don't know. I said that. I want to find I I want to You know what? We need to find No wonder you You should find this. You're You're the Google master here. So, find me a list of like the most egregious things in the average household. household. household. That's what I want to see. So, I can so I can see where see where I'm okay with my cancer and see where I don't want don't want don't want this.

Do you know what's a really bad one is receipts. Yeah, I know. I remember where Max You said that wax crazy amount. Oh, yeah. Dude, you absorb a ton. a ton. a ton. That's why I No, keep the receipt. I like hold it like this and I'm like, I don't even take it. I would tell them, "No, no, keep the receipt. I don't want it. I don't need it." I did the other day. I was at the I was at the grocery store and I Why do we even do receipts?

We Why do we even do receipts? We have the We We We don't Nobody takes Nobody goes to the grocery store and pays check or cash anymore. No. Okay. No. Okay. No. Okay. So, there's tracking of everything. I got a list of big offenders. Cleaning supplies. supplies. supplies. Okay. So, I'm see I'm all safe and organic there. Okay. Fragrance products such as stupid what? fragrance products such as air fresheners, candles, laundry detergents. detergents. detergents. Gotten I've gotten rid of that and we go we're all organic on the laundry detergent stuff.

detergent stuff. detergent stuff. Personal care items, shampoos, makeups instead of plastics. Of course, I don't have hair so I don't use it. I don't I use I use caldera for my soap. Come on. One of one of the biggest ones and and it's a challenging to get rid of. It's the materials in your furniture and things like that like carpets and uh furniture, furniture, furniture, right? right? right? I got mostly wood floors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good. a lot of off gasing that comes from that.

Yeah, like mattresses that can be a problem for sure. Those are the main ones on the list. Okay. Okay. Okay. But uh I'm sure there's more. Well, I mean this listen didn't make it there. Dur flame didn't make it there. I mean I feel like one everything is a chemical or puts off some sort of chemical. So calm the [ __ ] down. down. down. Bro, calm down. Everything's a chemical. Don't look at that crap. Have you seen the ingredients in a banana right now? right now? right now?

Okay, listen. Okay. Like I don't no fear-mongering going on here. So they have a list here by room the stuff to watch out for. So your kitchen non-stick pans number one plastic containers cleaning sprays processed foods. foods. foods. Okay. Okay. Okay. Bathroom air fresheners, nail polish remover, etc. nail polish, harsh cleaners, personal care products, living areas, furniture, particle boards, carpets, air fresheners, candles, paints, glues, laundry room dryer sheets, detergents, and synthetic fragrances. Fragrances. use those balls. Have you guys seen those? Those are cool. cool. cool.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. The little furry ones. Yeah, the reusable balls. So, we don't even use We don't even use those any You put them in your dryer. Balls? Balls? Balls? Yeah. No, you put them in your dryer. Have you ever seen those? No. No. No. They're re They're They're reusable. You can get like organic ones like that. You guys remember magic markers? You guys smell those when you Oh, yeah. This can't be good. Brain cells are dying. Oh, yeah. I used to just sniff those. I feel pretty good.

I'm checking most of the boxes. the boxes. the boxes. You're good, dude. Yeah, I feel pretty good. You You my heart with my duraf flame there. I mean I So what I'd like to know maybe D you can tell me is like if I compare a Duraflame to a regular log because I know they both are going to emit chemicals because the smoke that's coming off the regular log is not good. No, but it's mostly going up the chimney. But the you know the so the other [ __ ] other [ __ ] other [ __ ] Oh yeah, but the Duraf Flame has paraffin which is a a petroleum based product.

product. product. So that paraffin was like marijuana and stuff like that. What's paraffin is like a wax that holds the thing together. thing together. thing together. Oh, okay. So it's like burning a candle. Well, yeah. A a fake candle. Yeah. Uh, if you were get a beeswax candle, wouldn't be an issue. Yeah. See, stop trying to Yeah, but it's not coming up in my house going right up the chimney, dude. Not all of it. And I'm not standing over going, "Not all of it. Not all of it." Huh?

Huh? Huh? Not all of it. Yeah. Smoke's probably not good for you either. Yeah. I mean, so that's what I mean. Like if we were to compare the the But burning petroleum is probably worse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's like you got a car running in your living room. Yeah. Stupid. It's not like that. It's like have a car running. The guy who had the ATV in his living room before. room before. room before. That's right. You did, dude. I forgot. Did you get rid of that?

No, I still have it. I forgot about it. What do you do with your ATV? It's up at the other house. Yeah. Yeah. So, I keep it in the garage on a trickler charger. You just don't want to get rid of it. I won't. It's, you know, it's so You know, it has sentimental value to me, right? right? right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, as when I was uh Yeah. So, as when I was uh fifth grade, fifth grade, I went over to a friend's house and uh he lived on he had property and his [snorts] uh we were only in like fifth grade and his dad used to let his son and I take the quad out and so that was I mean it was just he would drive first because I didn't know how to drive when I was that young and but I would we would ride around all over the place on that and then eventually I learned how to ride and so I I I like one day oh totally like one like that was my definition of success was I could buy myself a quad like that It's like literally like what I always thought about getting a jet ski, you know.

Also, Also, Also, so yeah, I'm very I'm very uh partial to it and and the money I would get for it uh I've also put a ton of money into it. So, it's like really cool and the money I get for it is just like it's insignificant to me. The like the meaning to it is way more than that I get. So, that's part of why I keep it. Dude, I got to tell you guys a funny story. It's so true. So Doug has a daughter, so he he might he'll understand.

But there's these memes that show or like these little funny clips that show like when like uh with dads and daughters, like if you give your son like like like a like a stern look versus if you give your daughter a stern look, right? And I totally experienced this last night. My daughter was being my little three-year-old was being a little just a little turkey, right? She's just acting up or whatever. And I gave her no like one tenth of a stern look. So, there's a look that I can give my kids.

Yeah. And I give it to my son. No problem. No problem. No problem. I gave her one tenth of it. And she looked at me. She's like, I'm like, "Oh, I'm sorry, honey. No, you're mean. you're mean. you're mean. You gave me a mean look." That's what she said. she said. she said. Dude, you either get I didn't give you a mean look. mean look. mean look. You either get that. I was thinking about it. Or you get my my goddaughter who learns to give it back.

I've never seen dirtier looks on a human than this this little 5-year-old dude. She gives these she get a scowl and they'll just look at you all side eye and crazy like oh my god dude okay I won't do anything your comment about me as your teenage daughter was my favorite part of the of the the tenure the delivery and the way Danny cut that was like so perfect so good what a great time that was you guys what a great we had our for people don't know we have we have an annual Christmas party but this was our 10y year anniversary and uh our editors cut they put together a 20-minute a 20-minute a 20-minute uh basically video highlighting just the 10 years.

10 years. 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That we've had together. Highlights. Yeah. How it started. It's live on YouTube now. Just so you know, know, know, that one clip of us in your living room, that must have been one of the first This had to be one of the first episodes. episodes. episodes. I didn't realize you recorded. Still wearing my glasses back then. I did, I guess. I mean, I have it. So, I don't recall doing it. Yeah. Oh, there was there was a lot in there that I don't recall recording at all.

all. all. So, I took a lot of shots on my phone and uh I just I went back and found a bunch of bunch of bunch of blackmail purposes. blackmail purposes. blackmail purposes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, So, So, trust me, I have some Danny like a file of all that stuff. Like, how did that even happen? even happen? even happen? So, yeah, I created a Dropbox folder and just dumped all these different videos in. For example, like S shooting that last shot, you know, at the basketball court, court, court, I'm never going to play again.

Yes. All that stuff was just things I had shot randomly over the years and uh so lucky it made it made the cut. Well, what's crazy that you got, like you said, that you got the one inside the house, which is so cool because that is the original like I mean we were only there for maybe the first 25 or 50 episodes, maybe something like that. Yeah, we were there only for 4 months. Yeah. So, so maybe maybe 25 50 episodes where we were there and and I remember we were always like we're never going to record this.

Like we don't we didn't think we'd ever be on camera. And so the fact that you've got that is is kind of wild. wild. wild. You can tell by our outfits. We We definitely So So there's an interesting split, too, cuz Doug and Justin aged well. You and I, bro, we went What happened to us? We just accelerated the aging process with anything. with anything. with anything. These two guys are more handsome. No, 100%. No, 100%. No, 100%. We went backwards. Yeah. Well, I mean, Justin's got a glorious mustache.

He's got a beautiful rack of teeth now. He's more jacked. Yeah, that's what I'm competing with. You know what I'm saying? Like I lost my hair. I mean, I'm not working. I start out as the fat guy, dude. Of course, I got to get up from there. And then Doug's like Benjamin Button over there. What's going on? Reverse. He's sucking the youth out of me or something. I just I'm looking. Oh my god. Why do you think I got wanted to work with younger guys? You did gangly teeth, fat a lot of fat.

But I looked like you ate 20-year-old Salo. 20-year-old Salo. 20-year-old Salo. You look like you ate him and it took age. It made me age faster. I you know I don't think that's what made you age. I don't remember that shot. that shot. that shot. I I I don't ever remember thinking that I thought you looked small, but you look small in that in comparison. I mean like I don't ever feel like I remember being like like like your voice is like way more deep now.

Yeah, it's funny. I think that's calmness. You think [snorts] so? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we all I think we're all pretty clear of puberty, so we all don't think that happened. Puberty did happen. I think that what you hear is what? Nerves. Nerves. Nerves. Yes. Yes. Interesting. That's my opinion on it. I mean, so our voices got higher. So like possible. Yeah. possible. Yeah. possible. Yeah. I think talked faster. I think we swore more and we and we we talked in a higher pitch because of the nerves.

I was using a different recorder back then, too. So maybe some effect. I'll tell you some of my favorite moments at at the the anniversary party. One, uh Josh after that video was done, whatever, Josh comes up and gug and he was he was crying. Uh Josh's one of our editors and it just uh boy, it just really touched me. Uh at one point, my wife met some of our she hasn't she doesn't know all of our trainers, so she's you know, meeting people and and Wills goes up to her and he goes, "I've been listening to these guys since I was 14." Like, "Oh my god, since you were 14." And now he's working for us.

Now he's working for us. like those are formidable years to be listening to, you know. know. know. Oh, I I think that's the only way that the training department works um without us having to train ourselves every day, the people like we would before is that indirectly they've been trained by us for years cuz they listen so much. Cuz they listen so much. So they they have they have the philosophy and they have learned all that. uh which oh god I would have 1920 would have loved to had a podcast that I listen to like this uh because I think I would have been a way better trainer than what I was in my so I think that's what we're also feeling is that we've got this opportunity to get these trainers who were already listening and learning before they even met us personally and so and then of course Kyle's incredible with you know he's been an a great leader and and keeping that going and and taking care of all of all of all them it's seeing all those old clips, too.

It's been a long time, but it doesn't feel like it. No, No, No, it's gone by so fast. Any any memory seeing there that was like extra nostalgic for any of you guys? guys? guys? Gosh, you know, I mean, it not that I forgot about this cuz I always think about this, but to see clips of us building programs together. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I mean those were such great memories where we just get together and just write a new program, especially when we didn't have a lot of them, so we had to really think of new concepts and stuff.

It was also us really learning. I mean, we somewhat knew each other and we're getting to know each other on the podcast early on, but uh as far as our expertise as trainers, the trainer brains are is so different too like and so to think that to get we don't express that as much on the podcast. podcast. podcast. No. Yeah, we don't. We don't dive in yet unless you come in person and we're just talking about personal training exclusively. Like you don't really get a lot of that from us.

So we're very very different um in a lot of different ways. And so to see that uh come to and it actually work cuz you would think you put three trainers who have very different approaches and philosophies o of training in the same room to create the single program. You would think there would be all kinds of dysfunction and and there was like arguing but healthy arguing. Yeah. But it always made a better product at the end. That's the thing. I tell a couple things that happened too that were funny.

So I had a lot of my friends from church that were there and of course those old clips of me smoking a joint. Just tell a story. That was my favorite transition. I know. I know. I know. What a great and Justin's talking about we ate mushroom. mushroom. mushroom. Actually I was uh I was like, "Oh man, I should have told the one where like you were going." were going." were going." Yes. Yes. Yes. And I was so mad. I was like I told the wrong mushroom story.

I told him that story. I told him that story. Okay. But [snorts] there was that and at one point I had a t-shirt on that was a quick clip and it it wasn't the focus but the t-shirt on it said Darwin and I'm like I'm like I'm like no way. I didn't even see that. I didn't even see that. I thought [clears throat] that was interesting to see like in the beginning with you with that shirt on. No way. I missed that. Oh, I can't wait to go back and watch that.

And so I told I mean cuz they know that I was a hardcore atheist. I said you guys know how like a hardcore of an atheist I was you were rocking a shirt that said I don't even remember that. What clip was that? Do you remember something? Do you remember? I didn't catch it either. I didn't catch that either. The shirt that's the fish but it has feet and it says No, I'm very familiar with the Darwin sign. You know what I'm saying? That people put in the back of their car.

You know, I'm very But I don't even remember what So, what was the clip? Were you I don't remember what we were doing. It was a very It was a brief clip and it was that wasn't the focus. We were just talking. talking. talking. No, of course it was the focus, but I didn't even catch it. Oh, wow. Interesting. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, that's so great. That was a good My wife wanted me to make an announcement, by the way. She cut in line. So, she she's so funny.

She's like, "Everybody's mad at me." Like, nobody cares. Everybody, she cut in line when at the drink to get drinks. So, she cut in line. So, she comes back and then and then Vicki comes back. She like, you know, you cut in line in front everybody. Oh, Vicki called her out. Mortified. Jessica's mortified. She's like, I just cut in front of a People now think just cuz I'm your wife, I can cut in front. I'm like, no, honey. That's what she came to Katrina. Katrina like, who cares?

You're the boss's wife. The opposite. Katrina just keep cutting. keep cutting. keep cutting. She just tell him you're the boss's wife. wife. wife. She wanted me to get on apologize for Oh my god. my god. my god. Yeah. She's like, make sure you apologize for them. Nobody cares, babe. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, I was watching her yesterday. I took some pictures. She was playing. We We went to the to the store. So, we're doing the Fig and Eagle thing, right? The that that course for the for the staff.

So, Jessica and I met with Scott uh separately. And they've got some great coaching uh stuff. And he he told us something that I thought was really smart. He said, "Anytime you're going to give your kids something, attach a responsibility to it." M and he said and it it think because often times people parents will give their kids things uh like a like a treat or TV time or we'll go to the store and buy you a toy. He goes that's a great opportunity to attach a responsibility to it.

Otherwise you run the risk of them becoming entitled but also it's a great way to develop responsibilities. So her and I are like oh that's brilliant. So anytime they want a treat I'll attach like [snorts] clean this up or do that to kind of build responsibility. So anyway, we went to the store yesterday and I'm like, "Let's try it out." So I was like, "Hey you guys, we're going to go upstairs and I'll let you guys pick a toy that's under 20 bucks, but then you have to do some work for it." So that's what we did.

So we picked out a toy. Anyway, long story short, my son picks a a tank. He's like this military tank with stuff. So we come home and then we have him read a bunch of books for him, which he does, which is really cool. So then Jessica's playing tanks, the tank with him, and I'm watching her play a boy game and I'm just, dude, it is hilarious. hilarious. hilarious. Oh, that's Oh, that's Oh, that's it's all dialogue. Hey, hey, Katrina already like she Katrina defers right away.

She's like whenever he wants to do like something like that, she goes I can't I can't do it. I don't. I don't. I don't. It was all dialogue. I'm like he doesn't care. care. care. Sounds the go back to the explosion noises every time. Like like men are just better at it. They can't. This was my wife's missile noise. noise. noise. Like Courtney knows too. Yeah. Courtney like he's like oh mama. He's mama. I'm sorry. I'm shooting missiles at the monster. She's all like that's not a missile.

I'll get I'll get a call from upstairs. Come down here, please. Yeah. Yeah. But it was all dialogue. Hey, what are you doing? Like the soldiers talking to each other. Oh, who are we fighting today? fighting today? fighting today? Like they're sitting down having tea. Can you be on my team? I'm like, babe, way too much dialogue. Get to blowing things up. things up. things up. Why are we even fighting? Let's Can we be on the same team? You know that that tip is very similar to the tip that I gave a while back.

very similar and it's worked with magic with uh with Max which is uh instead of saying no about say a treat or no so say maybe watching TV or no is like is always practicing like yeah you can after you do this thing and so that's been like just awesome is like instead of just being the hard no all the time about you can't do this thing it's like yeah you can but first blah blah you need to get upstairs and go clean your room after you clean your room then we can do that thing or I'll tell you something else that was brilliant is speaking identity into your kids uh before bed.

And so what it looks like cuz a child will develop their identity. Even teenage kids will start to develop an identity because you speak it into them. And so what it looks like is before bed I'll sit with my son and we have a list of them and it's like you are brave, you are smart, you are courageous, you are a blessing to this family or you are a blessing to everybody who knows you. And so I'm going through these and he repeats and instead of saying you, he says I.

Mhm. And you can see it just light emotion. And I even did this with my niece. I even do it with my niece who's who's 18. I went in a room and did this and you and we doing it every night. I have this little thing that I put on her uh on her door. Yeah. And we'll read it together and you can just see that it just builds. Oh, I'm going to have to add that. [snorts] I told you guys was [snorts] I told you guys was it off air or was it on air when I talked about what I do with him every night now?

night now? night now? What was it? Okay. So, I know I thought I talked to you guys. Maybe I if I apologize if I brought on the podcast, but it's been now over a month that we've been doing this consistently and it's totally [clears throat] I and I I had to have bring this up because I brought up one one minute manager. It's like a page out of that. of that. of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so every night you did I I did I find I find one thing that he did that day that I was proud of and I just commend that.

And even last night like I want to make sure it was sinking in. And so we were we were actually reading in our bed with him and I and I was telling [clears throat] him something about something that he did really well. And then when we went back and when I tucked him into his bed, I said, "Hey, what did what did daddy tell you that I was pregnant?" And then he repeated right back. I'm like, "Okay, good." It's like sinking in. And so that has been just an awesome thing.

So I love that cuz I'm already I can easily pair it with that because I'm already doing this. You know, by the way, this is how powerful it is. You and I'm sure you guys know this. When you're a kid and you hear something repeated about yourself, it starts to become your identity. Like, oh, you know, he's smart or oh, he gets challenged with these things or he's the athletic one or whatever. And there may be some truth in that, but then it starts to become a part of your identity.

So, you can actually speak these. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, to give you guys an example of the power [clears throat] of it, my niece uh who's now living with us, she's very shy. She's very shy, but she's also very growthminded. growthminded. growthminded. And so, one of the things I say to her is, "You are growthminded." And I also say you are very fun to be around. And the reason why I say that is because she's shy. Saying that you're growthminded and you're fun to be around I think will make her feel more courageous to go and talk with people and be around people.

So awesome. No, it's a it's a it's a very power and it's I mean listen I know as a parent how easily we can get busy and the routine and like get into I mean it's Katrina and I had to come together and agree that this is a practice that we're going to work on and we like a lot of times of times of times when she's going upstairs I'm like hey I I wasn't with him as much as you were today. Do you have a thing you're going to tell him?

She go yeah I got it or she'll be like do you and so it's it's an accountability thing for each other to just remember to do that. And I mean, we're only 30 days in of of doing that. Like, I can't wait to see what happens when we've been doing this consistently for a year. You know how long it takes to make a habit with a with a kid. 60 over 62 days. days. days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Which is another thing that I learned because uh you got to stay at something for a while, which is longer than you think cuz sometimes like it's not working.

You got to stick with it for a little while before it becomes a habit. Anyway, Doug, can you look something up for me? Did you guys hear about those crypto scammers that got uh got hit by organized crime bosses? No, no, no. Oh, there was a husband and wife. Doug, look up husband and wife uh uh killed in crypto scam or something like that. Oh, dude. Oh, dude. Oh, dude. They they scammed some mafia people. They scammed a lot of very wealthy people people people and they were flaunting their vacations and how much money they had and all this stuff.

And I guess they got I want to see how they were found. I think they were like bury I think they were buried alive. alive. alive. Why Doug is looking this up. I don't help me wrap my brain around this that cuz for all the crypto people that push it so hard and talk about how it's our future and all the things. Why so many people can scam and steal and mine? [snorts] mine? [snorts] mine? [snorts] It's supposed to be so safe. I think they made their own coin, but I don't know.

I'm not quite sure because I I've heard of story after story like this of people scamming people out of out of their crypto or stealing their crypto and I'm like I thought this was supposed to be and now you want the government involved. Look involved. Look involved. Look you're the biggest gangster gangsters of all. all. all. What does that say about about what happened to them? Yeah. So it's a couple uh they Yeah. [snorts] So they were forced to watch each other be um tortured and then they were buried in the desert.

Oh damn. I believe they were living in UAE at the time. Um I actually there's another article I want to take a look at. It's a little more clear. Okay, so this is kind of breaking it down. Oh, that's grim. So yeah, Roman Novak and his wife Anna Novak were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered in the UAE in 2025. $500 million cryptocurrency scam. 500 million. 500 million. 500 million. Yeah. They were found dismembered, wrapped in plastic in a remote location in the UAE. Consequence. Imagine the the amount of greed too for you to go to I bet you know the thing something like that you get away with 5 10 million you probably are fine are fine are fine but because you just just the greed you rip off big players that's what I mean you you you you figure out a way to manipulate and win and steal which is horrible a couple million from people like that you probably get away but you get greedy and you keep going and then you start getting bigger fish bigger you're always looking over your shoulder you get the wrong person person person people with money have you know they have networks have networks have networks This is kind of interesting.

So, they were reportedly lured into a rented villa in the town um in the guise of meeting potential investors for their new business ventures. They were then tortured for access to their crypto wallet credentials. When the asalants reportedly found the wallets were empty, they murdered the couple. Boy, so now where's that 500 million? Like somewhere on the on the blockchain. Gone. Gone. Gone. Probably gone. Probably gone. Yeah. Way. But this couple was like super out there flaunting it, posting on social media. I mean, they really put themselves out there.

My goodness. Have you guys Has anyone watched the the Puff Daddy? No, dude. No, dude. No, dude. No. Just like Listen, that's our era. You You have to It uncovers all the Tupac diddy there. I thought I watched every documentary on that. New stuff. New stuff. New stuff. Sweet. Oh, yes. Was there There's like two out because one's definitely from 50 Cent. The one from 50 Cent is the one that's the tell. Yeah. And the that's on Netflix. So what's up with 50? You just hate him.

50 50 50 Cent Cent Cent keeping receipts. keeping receipts. keeping receipts. Yes. Yes. Yes. He he was aware of of Puff Daddy for a long time and I think he's just been collecting until, you know, he had enough to really very few he did exactly what he did was he he's he had been he knew about it like many people in the industry did just everybody was afraid of him. I mean, his the fact that he's responsible for so many murders and deaths and he had so much power to get the amount of things that he got away with that I was unaware of is crazy.

So, and and it just after you see all of it, it's the whole Biggie, Tupac, all that's all clear. Clear as day. So, he for sure did all that. Yeah. Like not him personally, like he ordered it. He had it ordered it. He had it happen. And like And Biggie, too. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. He all he ushered Biggie to his death. like the without rudining the whole thing cuz there's a lot to this and I don't I won't share too much for the audience that will go and watch it but there there's a there's a part and and I know you guys we all grew up in this so you remember when that was the height of that beef and Tupac had already had already been shot the first time when he got shotense got shotense got shotense and and they knew that it was the they knew it was some tied back to the east coast guys and everything like that and Puffy and and what you I didn't realize I saw so much footage of Tupac and Biggie and how what close of friends they actually were.

They were tight. They were like real tight. Like before Biggie was big, Tupac used to let him open up to all his shows. Oh. And so they were boys. And Biggie didn't want nothing to do with this beef that was that was getting heightened. And Puff takes Biggie to do a after them after the murder of Tupac. And basically everybody on the West Coast is saying don't you dare step foot in East Coast. He decides he's going to go to uh to West Coast to launch Biggiey's next album that's coming, which is Life After Death, which wasn't named Life After Death at this point cuz he hadn't died yet.

yet. yet. Takes him out there. He's they they do a a whole music thing with I think Source or what that half the people, okay, this is when everybody loves him but knows that Tupac is killed and they're responsible are booing them on on stage because you're you're in LA of all the places to be, okay, on the West Coast. remember that? remember that? remember that? Right after Oh, they they like you could tell they were unwanted there. Biggie was on a flight to go to London the next day day day and that his their manager had set up.

They had been working on this for years. He was going to be the first rapper in the United States to basically do a press run in the U in the UK. He was excited to go. He wanted to go. He wanted nothing to do with this beef. He was scared to be in LA. And and Puffy shut it down and says, "No, no, no. He's staying here. We're going to throw a party in their backyard." And so they threw a party in in in downtown. We created the environment for him to go.

go. go. 100%. Wow. And that's the night he got shot in the car as soon as he he went out. out. out. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah, dude. Yeah. So, there's way more to it, but it's like the amount of all the gross stuff. Yeah. I So, I had baby oil. I was so tired from the party the next day and Max went over to uh his his aunt's house Katrina's sister to decorate the tree and do their they do a traditional thing where they they do they make cookies all day long together and stuff like that.

And so she she had a day on the couch. Yeah. Yeah. So we had a day on the couch and Katrina and I were like we were supposed to do a drive and all stuff that she's like what do you feel like? I'm like honestly like I'm going to I'm going to melt in this couch today and she's just like I'm with you. It's like and it's just us and we're like so I haven't like binge watched television like that in like so long. But I felt so gross all day the rest of the day.

Like I woke up still like I got to get that like it was so I mean it like it was so I mean it sucked me in so bad that I I binged the whole thing but then the the feeling of afterwards of like now now that I know all the stuff like just disgusting like such a evil bad person dude. Oh, I want to hear about Justin the Campbell Soup. Soup. Soup. Oh, you want to hear about that? I read about it. Hot mic. Yeah.

So, I don't know who was recording him or like how this kind of came out, but um basically he was recorded. So, this is the CEO of Campbell Soups and was like he was talking about it like you know his customers. He was talking trash about his customers being like, you know, I don't even know who buys this stuff and like talking about them being like, you know, poor trash and all this stuff and Yeah. Yeah. like really really bad stuff to where it's like there's no way he can come back uh from this cuz like it's if it's out and like people know, you know, he said this about his own customer base like just Yes.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Did they ask him right away? I Yeah. I don't know the followup. That was like was like was like Can you see what he what he said? What? This was a while ago. I put it in there. So, you know, I bet you they already they had to if he's just a CEO, he's not even the founder. He's just a CEO. You you for sure that guy. that guy. that guy. The lack of integrity for somebody to represent a company that they don't believe in.

believe in. believe in. Yes, that's the that was the biggest thing. Like, yeah, he doesn't even believe in his product. I would I know that happens all it's probably more common than it is not. I couldn't do it. I could not work for a company that I did not believe in. Most most these CEOs that come into a situation like that, it's purely a dollar thing. It's how much am I going to get paid? Looking at the P&Ls, realizing what I can cut cost. I wonder if he was brought in from the outside and probably what it say they called it [ __ ] for poor people.

Yeah. Yeah. So, he was fired. Yeah. Okay. For sure. Yeah. I see that. I bet you he was a a he wasn't a founder. He was somebody who's brought in like many big companies that size. Isn't Campbell's owned by a bigger corporation? corporation? corporation? I I'm not sure, but they were they're like probably 100 plus year old company. Yeah, they've been around forever. I Aren't they in one of War Warren Buffett's portfolios? I think he's got them in like Craft and all those are all Campbell I think are all So that's a ma major fail.

Joseph A. Campbell, isn't he? Isn't there more about him? I don't know. Let me see. I don't think is that the founder of Campbell Soup? Campbell Soup? Campbell Soup? Yeah, he is the founder of Campbell Soup. Soup. Soup. Wait, isn't there something? Hold on. Let make sure it's Soup. No, I don't think that's Soup, dude. I think we That's another guy. That is another Yeah, it's Jason Joseph Campbell. Yeah. Okay. All right. Um, Um, Um, not the hero with the 1902 faces. Oh, is that isn't that Is that That's a Yeah.

Yeah. Joseph Campbell, didn't that's Joseph Campbell? Maybe a different one. U That's a Yeah, it's an author. I know who you're talking about. Who's like Yeah. He talks a lot about like myths and legends. Oh, Hero's Journey. Heroes Journey. Heroes Journey. Heroes Journey. That's who I thought that was. No, but I was going to say too, there was another big fail of like a company which this one's a little more amusing. Um, so Whimo, the automatic cars, like so I think it was in New York, but had a massive fail.

Like there was a standoff, like a liveaction standoff between, you know, the cops and this potential, I don't know if they're robbing a car or whatever, but like came out and that like guns were pulled and everything. And you see this Whimo like stop at at this corner and they're right at the corner and it just stops at the light and it starts turning right into it. It's just basically driving right through an active shooting person in the back seat. Oh god, dude. Could you imagine?

Didn't think about that when we got the AI AI AI like oo think about that. Oh wow. Oh that's in the back of the car. car. car. Well think about that. It's like you're when you're they're programming all this stuff. It's like well what happens when there's like a shootout? anticipate that like they're going to have to figure that out like if there's you know police they must have to like like integrate the scanning or something to like they're going to have to have some shut off like a shut off thing or like that's so okay talking about AI since we've been talking so much about it we got a chance I got a chance or Kyle and I uh met this guy um at the school event when we went there and uh it was a really good convers I mean his whole he's been an AI his like his whole life and so I was talking about the dead internet theory and like what are your thoughts on all that?

And he's actually really uh hopeful and positive that we're just in this weird transition right now and it's actually going to swing really hard back the other way is his production. M so he's like right now there's not a lot of guard rails on it and it's kind of the wild wild west and there's everybody's using all these AI tools and he goes we're already seeing it and feeling it like this like raw authentic real getting back to people is already starting to trend and he goes and people are caring less and less about the artificial intell my whole feed on uh some of my social media that's optimistic optimistic optimistic yeah no and from somebody who's in it right and that's makes his money teaching other.

teaching other. teaching other. I could see that. So when I So So could I cuz when I go through on my feed ads will pop up and every ad now is AI. There are every single ad is a I can tell it's AI. Even the video I can tell it's AI which at some point we won't be able to tell. It's not indistinguishable. Yeah. You can make ads super cheap with AI. So it's and it's all over the place. So at some point I think people are going to want to know something's real.

uh which I don't know how they're going to do that because that because that because well I think it's going to be I actually think less less produced less produced I mean even so uh Josh so our team right so when we when we shoot content uh our team puts it all together and we were all in like stations and when I was with Josh the stuff that he said I want you to shoot is like I want you to start with your phone and like like like so people see you holding your phone and then put it down and then I just want you to no script no nothing My my point with this, Adam, is that you're not going to be able to tell.

The AI will be able to make it look not produced in real is my point. My point is that you're not going to be able to tell. The only way I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but the only way will be if ads have people that people already know are real, established people. You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, I know who that is. That person's been around for a while. Cuz new ads Well, I think that's that's the point I'm making is why, okay, we're already established as real, right?

Well, so that may work in some like our favor. That's what I mean. And and that's why he was going that direction is like this will make every this is I mean they'll know you're on a rant fumbling with your words. You're just like he's like I don't want any like here's I'm just going to give you a thing that I want you to talk about and then just go. And then I'm like okay. And so it is it's like that. It's me holding it then you see me set the phone down and then I go I go on a rant of whatever he he tells me about or like what he wants me to talk about.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And again everything off the cuff. I think it's it's the the point of it and why that's trending is because we're getting away from less and less produced. Even people that are already known, okay? It's like they're making it look less produced. They're making it look less produced for that reason because it's like people don't they don't want to question it. So, if we get fancier, more edited, question, they might question like, "Oh, is that really Adam?" I mean, I had somebody I was uh commenting back and forth with on Instagram and they're like, "Is this really you?" I'm like, "Of course it's me." Like, it's my Instagram.

like I don't have anybody like so that I mean that's people are already starting to do that now. I get that cuz you you do get that from other people that are marketers especially where you'll DM them and then they'll you know respond to you as themsel it's not them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know and so there's that like impersonal feeling you get from that. It was just it was good to hear it from somebody who's in the industry that like teaches other people how to like and go like and I'm telling him that that was my thing.

He's like nah. He's like we're going to go and you see some companies already putting the guardrails on like you know what a YouTube came out and did right so they made it to where artificially intelligent uh platforms cannot produce they can't monetize they can't monetize can't monetize can't monetize and so it's only a matter of time where these where when if it starts to really dominate and go the dead internet theory way I think that you'll start to see guard rails from the platforms I think the platforms will come out be like they will but they'll be what they'll do is they'll they'll suppress the AI stuff and then this and I'm sure they'll be able to put I agree they'll be you'll be We can already tell like they have the software and the capabilities.

We the average eye will not be able to tell if it's AI generated. But you you cannot tell me we can't. can't. can't. They'll have AI detecting. That's right. They'll have AI detecting AI and then they'll suppress that content and authentic content. But you'll have AI platforms. I think you'll have a competing YouTube with just AI content and then we'll see what people pick people pick people pick and the government will have the ultimate version of it that looks the arbitrators of truth. You never know.

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Find out more at mindpunfitnesscoaching.com. Our first caller is Matt. Matt from New Hampshire. Hampshire. Hampshire. Matt, what's happening? What's going on, Matt? What's happening, Matt? Hey guys, thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Um, you guys have honestly over the last four or five years I've been listening to you, you've really uh changed my life. I I can't even express that enough. Um, so I'll get to my question. Uh, to keep it short, how do I put together a group workout that doesn't suck.

Um, I'm a full-time firefighter. You guys recently inspired me to get my NASM CPT to help me give uh the skills and bring a better fitness culture to the fire departments in my area. um workouts as a group uh in my experience uh just over the years being full-time has really been the only way um that I found most effective to get people actually moving together consistently. So, just looking to see what I can do to help those be more effective and not be, you know, your typical uh sucky ones.

There's there's two ways I would do this. So, I'm curious to how the guys if they agree or not. uh either one um it would be heavily mobility focused. So it would be very similar to and this is what I've encouraged a lot of trainers that do teach classes is to watch the prime pro webinar I did which is about a 50-minute video where I warm them up before we start with body weightight squats just so they can see and feel their movement. Then I take them through a series of mobility movements and then they squat at the end and can really feel the difference of their movement.

So that's one way I would do a group class. The other way I would do a group class is focused on a single movement the entire hour. So in other words, it would be a combination of priming and mobility to get everybody's bodies ready to squat. And we're all going to we're going to squat today and we're going to do combat stretch 9090s, prime the body, go through a couple practice movements, then load the bar. It would be all around a movement and I'm taking my time kind of watching everybody and everybody's doing it.

Uh that's how I would do a class now. I would not do what I did when I was in my 20s, which is, you know, battle ropes and dumbbells and jump ropes and sprints and a bunch of circuit [ __ ] Matt, you're to be clear, this is these are firefighters [clears throat] you're working with. working with. working with. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. And and this is not mandatory for them. They're showing up because they want to do it. Yeah, exactly. So, my goal is to, you know, start putting on uh monthly just free group classes traveling around to area departments.

area departments. area departments. Okay. And and now I I've had a lot of friends that were firefighters um and they're all pretty active. Most firefighters work out. Uh they have a fitness routine. I think you would make a mistake trying to work them out in a group class. I think a mobility class would be the most valuable possible thing you could give them and they would keep coming back for more because it would make them feel better with their normal workouts. Uh with all the stuff that they're doing, they'll feel better in their joints.

They'll move better. It'll improve their strength. Uh I think it should be zero workout all mobility and correctional. I mean that's people are going to show up for that. How how many how many guys typically and and how big is the workout space or gym you're using? that matters too because I could [clears throat] I could think of some other creative things. Yeah. Uh it's going to vary wildly. I I mean it's uh and at my own department I mean if if we have uh if I get my whole shift uh in the firehouse it's you know five of us and we have a pretty decent space whether it be out in the apparatus bay or we do have a decent gym as well.

But um if I'm able to actually start bringing this to uh other departments it's going to vary entirely on uh on what they have and who they have. have. have. Yeah. Because if you if you had all the major equipment, right, squat rack, bench press, a barbell row, something to deadlift, then I could see pairing guys up in stations and it's like that's what I was going to say. You you do you do Yeah. You do three sets here and then this these guys these two guys are doing and they're alternating and that's building the rest period right there.

So they have rest periods between each other. Yeah. buddy them up. So at least you have accountability with one, you know, sort of checking form and then you can kind of, you know, cruise around and at least like see how they're doing and then coach at least the guy watching, you know, specifically and what to do. But um that I mean that's kind of how I had to handle like big bigger groups of of kids when I was training for football. But you'd keep the the stations it was very simple.

It's like we're all doing bench, we're all doing squat, you know, we're all doing like the main lifts and then um you know, sometimes I would group group them in fours, too. So that way it's like you have this, you know, group over here and I kind of have like a leader in there I can count on. And so it it's just a way to kind of at least, you know, give yourself more eyes. I I'm going to keep pushing mobility because I know you guys get tested.

You have to maintain a certain level of uh physicality, physicality, physicality, stamina, strength, whatever. Um, unless the issue you're trying to address are firefighters who aren't consistent with their exercise, but I I would bet that if you focused on mobility, because a lot of these guys are working out, a lot of these people are working out on their own anyway, that if you focused on mobility that they would keep coming back because they would do it, they would feel good. Oh my god. And it'll just it'll just improve all the other stuff they do on their own.

I mean in a perfect world they do the mobility class with you and then you recommend like maps 15 to them and then they on their own during the week it's like this is what you do for the week. You need to get these two these two exercises in every day and then when you see me for that hour I'm going to take you through a full mobility session and that would that would be a great prescription right there. there. there. That that's it. And if they're confused with that, maybe that's where you step in.

You you can at least have one day where you're teaching them these major lifts, uh, so that they can apply them correctly, you know, on their own doing the mass 15 style. But I agree with S. Like the most valuable thing you could possibly do is is, you know, take them through those. through those. through those. I just think you'll have you'll just have people showing up for it. That's a great show. That's a great way to kind of do this also is like you have this mobility class and maybe one like 10 minutes of the hour or 15 minutes I'm focusing on just teaching the technique to some of these lifts cuz I've heard from feedback from the guys like oh man my shoulder's bothering me when I bench or something like that.

And so maybe what I do is I go 40 minutes of like mobility and then I'm like hey today you guys I wanted to spend a little bit of time with you really addressing technique around bench press. And then like and that and then then you set them on their way and then like a couple weeks go by and you're like hearing some guys, man, my low back is driving me crazy when I deadlifted. Am I doing it wrong? Hey guys, today at the end of our mobility session, I'm going to go get into show some deadlift techniques.

And so you're really sending them off on their own to do the the real strength training like a MAPS 15 protocol. You're doing a lot of the mobility work and then you're only and then saving the time at the end of the hour to address what you're hearing from the feedback of that of that fire station. And it's going to be unique to each one. Like some guys are going to maybe be dealing with different pain and different uh techniques. techniques. techniques. And if you're you're traveling around, you're going to be visiting uh like a station once a week, once every other week.

What does that frequency look like? like? like? Yeah. So, honestly, I I haven't been able to get this up off the ground yet. So, it's uh just very early stages. So, I have no idea what this frequency is going to be. I mean, ideally, I'd love for it to be a uh relatively frequent thing, but uh yeah, still working on getting that. getting that. getting that. I think if you So, here's the thing with mobility. You feel it right away. Like, you do a workout. Okay, I don't know.

It was hard. I sweat, you know, that was fun. But you do mobility uh right afterwards people, oh my gosh, I feel so much better. Can you come back again next week? Uh, it's the it's immediate value. value. value. I mean, if you're connected to all these fire stations, I mean, there's a business right here waiting to happen. I mean, and and and I don't know what you call yourself like, you know, the fitness coordinator for all fire stations, right? And I what I do is I come in to your station and extinguisher.

extinguisher. extinguisher. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. That's that's a terrible name. That's a terrible name. Don't listen to something else. But that background another dad. That's another bad name. Okay. I know Matthew, you'll come up with a better name than these guys. But my point is you you you pitch this as you're only going to you're only paying for me to come in one day a week. But what I'm going to do is map out these guys entire month of of fitness and I'm going come in and check in once a week.

That way you can manage five, six different stations potentially in a week and you're coming in that day and that day is like Sal saying it's mobility focused with the last 10 to 20 minutes of like addressing the concerns of the previous week. Like how's everybody feeling? How's everyone? How how's the MAPS 15 program going? How's everybody feel on the techniques? And like maybe everybody's all good and everybody's like awesome, no problems. And then all you do is mobility and keep them on track. But you're going to probably have some that are just like, man, my low back bothers me every time I deadlift or my shoulders.

And then you use that time to address those concerns to teach around that. And that's all you're doing is kind of coming in once a week and guiding. guiding. guiding. Do you have Prime Pro, Matt? Matt's Prime Pro. I do actually. Yeah, I have uh Prime and Prime Pro uh performance and GLP1 from uh when I was going through my own weight loss journey. Yeah. So, the use Prime Pro and Prime and and put together a good 45minute mobility uh routine. I think that would be a Have you seen the webinar I did a long time ago?

Did you ever watch that webinar? Uh, I haven't seen the webinar yet. yet. yet. Okay. So, wa watch that. You literally steal it. Like, just perfect. I I teach the cues. And that's the most important part is how I'm queuing the camera. Watch that. Like, literally rip right off of that and use that. Like, that's a perfect 45, 50 minute mobility classic from head to toe. I address the major movements. You can put a little spin on it yourself, but why? I already made it. So, use that uh as your your your guide.

And then again, I would just leave a little bit of room to address what's going on the week and then use if you don't do you have math 15 yet. Uh I don't have maps 15. We'll we'll send maps 15 to you. So use that use that as your staple program for these guys. these guys. these guys. Mobility. Mobility. Mobility. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, you guys are crazy. Stupid. What you mobility? You came up with that only movie we know. That's awesome. Thank you guys so much.

I really appreciate this. This went uh a completely different direction actually than than I expected and I've been listening to you guys a long time. I thought I kind of already had an idea and uh you guys really surprised me on this. I appreciate it. Well, if you if you actually implement it, I want you to call back in and let us know one, how's it going? Two, what you named it. Awesome. We'll do. All right, man. All right. Thank you guys. Happy holiday. See you.

See you. See you. Yeah. The the the important thing to consider is the demographic. Uh and and firefighters, they tend to work out. They all get tested. They all be. So yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're showing up to give them a workout, there's some value there. But you show up to show them mobility, they're going to ask you back. They're going to want you to come back. They're going to feel good right out the gate. Yeah. It's just selling them on it. Well, manly dudes, they're like, "Oh, I be interested to see uh like I I have no idea what his relationship is with all these people." Like hopefully he he has that kind of respect because I imagine [snorts] most firehouses kind of have have their They're going to give them [ __ ] Yoga.

Yes. kind of have their own thing. Like a lot of the guys do CrossFit or a lot of guys listen to the show and do their own own own bathroom for him though 100%. But that would be I mean if he could Hey, if he could sell that and that be a thing like one it would be really inexpensive to only have to pay for him once once a week to come in and he's laying every name just keeps coming. I'm just picturing the classes just training like crazy.

It's amazing. We came up with mind Justin's walking around. You feel the burn with a fire shield. I got an ext. Our next caller is John from Australia. What's up, John? How you doing, John? What's happening? [clears throat] Hey, fellas. How you going? Good. How you doing? Good, man. Good, man. Good, man. Not too bad. This is pretty weird, but here we are. Okay. How can we help you? It's weird for us, too, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're all digital. Um, I'll just read off a quick little thing I've got.

I won't go for too long here, but um I've been listening for about seven years now. Um, and I just want to say a huge thank you for all the information you guys continuously give out free. out free. out free. Um, I have well and truly drunk the Kool-Aid. Um, I bought an eight sleep. I've got an ele I drink LMT every day. Always stuck stocked up on Paleo Valley meat sticks and I got a Jew light as well. well. well. Nice. Nice. Nice. Let's go.

Let's go. I'm getting it. Yeah, I'm a slap for it. Um, what else can we sell? We got other sponsor. Can we sell you John Graham things in your house [ __ ] He did. He did. He did. I might have. Yeah, unfortunately. Um, they don't sell magic spoon in Australia. That's the only one I'm filthy about. That's all right. We're done with that. Not bad. No big deal. Um, so all of these things have made a huge difference in my health and fitness. I would like to thank you guys for all your wisdom.

Uh, it's truly helped me improve my quality of life 10fold. 10fold. 10fold. Now, uh, that being said, there is one piece of advice in the whole seven years I think's been the most helpful, and I have to thank Adam specifically for this. this. this. U, your dishwasher stack, steel range champion. I'm putting this on his tombstone. Saved me so much time. I'll never stack a dishwasher the same again. Uh, but I'll get to my question. So, I recently got a blood test uh, and uploaded the results to Chad GPT.

So, it gave me a protocol of supplementation to follow each day. Um, but I wanted to know if you guys could foresee any issues with that. Well, there's definitely issues with Chat GBT that Wait, hold on. You're you're you're comparing Chat GBD to three personal trainers for your blood test. So, so just the thing that I before we even get into what it said and all stuff like that, just be careful. I mean, we've been going down this kind of AI rabbit hole. And so, and I brought up, I don't know if you heard on the show, my brother-in-law uh was was asking Chad GBT questions regarding like the dangers of taking hormone replacement therapy and all this stuff.

And it was me who actually recommended for him to get on it because he had very low tests and was causing all these other side effects and problems. And the way he prompted Chat GBT is like, can HRT be dangerous? And because the way he prompted it, it gave him like this whole host of things that looked really scary. I could turn right back around. Forces your bias. And what I had to explain to him was like, and because he's like, "I'm getting off this. This is terrible." I'm like, "You're an idiot.

It's not terrible. You're on it. You're you're better healthier by having healthier hormones." I said, "Now prompt it like this. How dangerous is it for a male my age to have low testosterone? And what are all the potential side effects?" And then a whole list of all bad [ __ ] And so it's like how you prompt this thing [snorts] can really determine how it feeds back to you that information. So I would just caution you with that because you you could s you can literally just tweak a couple ways of how you set that prompt up and it give you a whole host of different uh answers.

So all right. So let's let's talk about the blood test and the and what it said. What did it tell you? Should we should we get the blood test first and see if you would recommend similar? similar? similar? Yeah. Well, let's see. Don't tell us. Um I mean I don't know. We'll see if we give better advice. Do you have the results, Doug? Did he send them to us? I don't have them now. What are the supplements that recommended to you? So, I I asked I suppose down to the prompting, right?

I asked um a daily supplementation to improve energy and just like that that kind of thing. So, the morning it was like morning, afternoon, and night. Morning was stuff I'm kind of already taking. It was like creatine, uh CoQ10. Yep. and Yep. and Yep. and some other stuff. I'm just trying to remember. The middle of the day was like a B vitamin complex which is obviously helping with that as well. And then the night time was like magnesium glycinate and some other things to kind of help you know calm the nervous system I suppose.

So it was like a daily kind of thing but thing but thing but o overall it said like your results are great blah blah blah but again I wondered if that's just chat GBT you know. know. know. Yeah it gave you a pretty Yeah it gave you a pretty general protocol. general protocol. general protocol. Pretty general. Pretty general. Pretty general. Yeah pretty general. Yeah, exactly right. But it was interesting cuz I do jiu-jitsu as well and like I had a sore neck neck neck and I was taking some like Volarin.

Um do you guys have that? Yeah, I know what that is. Yeah, it's like um Yeah. And then in the in like the bottom line it said this is all really good. However, just be careful that you're taking like NSAIDs. Is that what you call them? Y Y Y um Yeah. And it was like it detected that and I hadn't taken that for like a week and a half. So it was still in my system and it still picked that up as well. well. well. Well, it picked it up from your blood test.

Yeah, cuz I didn't put anything in there saying that I had that. Uh, what would your blood test show that you were taking ibuprofen? Cuz that's what it's gotten it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. So, like when I did the blood test, I got like six pages of data and obviously I don't really know what I'm looking at. So, that's why I punched into chat JPT to like to like to like you wouldn't know at all. So my question for you is because you would not know that you were taking an NSAID based off of a blood test that there there's no way to know that unless you had kidney issue, liver issue, in which case it could be a lot of different things.

The question I have is how often do you use chat GBT cuz they're very uh they remember the things you like you could ask your chat GBT. It'll guess things about you based off of previous conversations uh searches. if it see if you're searching things for jiu-jitsu and fitness and your web searches, it could very it'll know if you're using something or not because I don't know of any blood test that doesn't specifically test for NSAID or let's say kidney or liver function, which you would have been flagged.

Your blood test would come back with liver enzymes or kidney function, but also uh typically NSAIDs aren't are aren't the first thing that people look at. It's something else. Nonetheless, that would be very strange for it to say, "Oh, I know you're taking." taking." taking." Do you know if you watching you, dude? Do you know if you've inputed that? Did you input uh uh I may have input some uh some stuff for jiu-jitsu asking uh best techniques for shorter, strong guy. Yeah, because it'll it'll guess things about you.

Uh you you can watch people say, "Hey, who am I and how many kids?" And it knows all these different things. What does that say, Doug? Yeah. Some blood tests actually can detect and says we keep going into what they're looking for. Uh measure the concentration of specific NSAIDs like nroxen or ibuprofen in the body. body. body. Yeah, that's what I thought. So unless you specifically got tested for NSAIDs, uh non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, your blood test wouldn't show that. So um yeah, alter liver enzymes, blood loss.

Yeah. [snorts] Yeah. Directly. Okay. Huh. We got to test directly. But Voltteran is a it's a topical. Justin's right. Chat GBT is listening and following you, bro. Yeah, I don't doubt that. I use it I use it for work. I'm a high school history teacher, so teacher, so teacher, so I often find it's wrong with stuff. Like it actually gets really specific [clears throat] things wrong. So that's why I wondered like is it getting this kind of the stuff wrong supplements advice is general, very general.

very general. very general. Yeah, that's good. You want no blood test. Like that's the typical typical typical stick surface with it. Yeah. For And what is what it recommend is nothing wrong with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all It's all It's all it's all good stuff. Yeah. That's all good stuff and it would help. But yeah, I would just caution. But you already know, you've already seen it screw up in your own field. And that's why I caution people. I that that was the first red flag for me when my brother-in-law did that.

I was like, "Oh [ __ ] that's terrible advice." And it was the opposite of what I gave him. I know that's wrong. So, but I I use an AI uh and I and I never put in my name. I never put anything. Said, "Do you know who I am?" And it knew everything. knew everything. knew everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was all based off my questions or something. So, really weird. Yeah. It stores a lot of information for sure. sure. sure. So, So, So, yeah. yeah.

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can I hit one question? Sure. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Sure. When you guys come to Australia. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. When you guys don't have any more spiders. spiders. spiders. Spiders are too big though. They're spiders. They're spiders. They're spiders. I heard that. Spiders are too. They're more inland though, right? If you're on the coast, it's not too bad. I heard you guys say that the other day about the the spider with the rat. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Like I've never seen that in my life. If you stick to the cities, you'll be fine. You could Google that [ __ ] dog. So you know that know that know that just photoshopped or you can Google Australia [ __ ] spider carrying around you come up through the toilet. That's toilet. That's toilet. That's everything's poisonous over there. Even the koala bears don't they have gorrhea? I heard they have they actually do. Yeah. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. Justin found out we know we have we have a good listenership out there and we've always wanted to make it out there.

Yeah, for sure. All joking aside, that's got that's one of the places we go. Yeah, we'll get out there. We got a lot going on right now. We're Create an event and give us a reason. How about that? Okay, there we go. Yeah. Yeah. Rally rally the troops first. first. first. Yeah. [clears throat] Start something, dude. Yeah, man. Well, we appreciate you, brother. Anything I can send you? You got all of our programs? Uh, I bought maps and a bolic a long time ago. I've got that one.

But that's actually all I got. Oh, yeah. What's your goals right now? What are you trying to do? We got to get you something. Um, I'm strength training like three times a week, but like kind of jiu-jitsu two or three as well. Oh, Mass 15 trying to survive. Really? Mass 15 performance. Send it to him right now. That would be perfect for jiu-jitsu. Be awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. that. that. You got it, dude. All right, John. Thanks for calling in.

Thanks, guys. All the best. Easy. [clears throat] [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] Who? Um, Who? Um, Who? Um, we got to work on our commercials. Who is the He's He's got all of our sponsors one program. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. This is backwards. This is bad. That's not right. not right. not right. This is backwards financially for us. Uh uh he What What actor is it? He his voice sounds just like him. What's Who's a famous actor from Australia? I can't think of his name right now.

right now. right now. I don't know. Thor. What's his name? Chris Hemsworth. Chris Hemsworth. Chris Hemsworth. Yeah, Chris Hemsworth. He totally Yeah. Before he came on, I could hear him talking to Doug. I was like, "Oh, the hell." hell." hell." I was thinking Gerard Butler or something. something. something. He's he's Scottish. I'm on the right place, right? I don't know. It's Hey, Chad GBT. These AIs are very interesting with this kind of stuff and they do know things about you. you. you. Yeah. And they'll tell you things and you should ask it.

Anybody using it, ask it. Say, "Do you know you think it just like clears after like you ask?" No, it like stores that and then it does. Do you know? I heard a stat yesterday. This is a little off topic, but uh under the age I want to say 25 or 30. 40% of people have tried to have some had have some sort of a relationship with uh with uh with uh 40%. 40%. 40%. 40 it was a crazy huge number. huge number number number like have have attempted like a romantic relationship with AI.

Our next caller is Jessica from Colorado. Colorado. Colorado. Hi Jessica. Hi Jessica. Hi Jessica. Hi guys. Hi guys. Hi guys. How you doing? Good. How are you guys? We're good. Very good. How can we help you? you? you? Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. So first of all, I'd like to thank you. Like I just like to thank you for all the free knowledge I've gotten from you. I wouldn't be where I am in my journey without your podcast. just know that I've contributed to a lot of your watch hours and my quality of life has only become better for it.

Wow. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. How can we help you? For sure. So, currently I am um doing MAPS anabolic but without the trigger sessions um because I'm tired enough with that because I'm kind of a new lifter. Um maybe next round I can do with the trigger sessions. So, I have a few of her programs, but I started with GLP Trisepide shots about a year ago on October 1st, 2024. Since then, I lost 50 lbs and I wasn't working out. When I started, I was barely walking 1500 steps a day and not working out.

Um, I'm 42 years old, 53 53.5 53.5 53.5 in height. That.5 is important. And I basically like started at 218 lbs when I started taking the meds and then I went all the way down to 159 lbs without any exercise. After that I was just lighter. I was able to move more. Um I felt better. So I started weight training about 3 months ago. And in 3 months like I've gained 10 lbs. So you know like um but now like I'm around like no I'm actually 180.

So, like I've gained about 20 lbs um since in these 3 months, which is crazy. And I've just concerned that I've gained like so much weight even though I look leaner. I sent you guys before after pictures. So, since I've gained the weight, um I went from size 12 jeans to size eight jeans even though I've gained 20 lbs. And I also started 15 g of creatine when I started lifting weight. So, a little bit of it is probably water weight. But the problem is that I'm just getting more hungry.

And recently I went on 2600 calories from 2400, but I'm still losing size. It's slowly, but it is happening. And my stomach's gone down a lot. Um, as you can see, but my BMI is in obese category, and I'd finally gotten out of being the obese category, and it only seems to be climbing up, which is honestly it's like really stresses me out. Um, so I guess my passion is like such a big part of my life revolves around cooking and eating. I really get exhausted out of it and I try to because of the GLPS I don't have the food food noise.

So I do try to eat healthy and I add easy calories like coconut water and sardines out of can and stuff but at the same time like you know um I get tired of h eating even though I don't have the food noise I do feel like it's genuine hunger. So, right now I'm walking 5,000 steps a day. My problem is that I don't want to eat anymore. Does like where does that threshold end of me being like, "This is enough food. I won't have to eat anymore.

And can I go up in fats because I just feel like cheese or whole milk would be easier. I don't like fat-free milk." fat-free milk." fat-free milk." Yeah. Let's let's first talk about how much you're crushing it right now. Your before and afters look amazing. not only the do your before and afters, but even what you've told us the the way this went where you you lost 50 pounds not doing anything just but by taking the JLP1. So you weren't strength training. So I'm assuming you dropped your calories dramatically and that's how you lost all that weight with the trappepide.

But then it sounds like you started to reverse diet and increase calories and start bu start lifting weights. You added weight but your waist has continued to go down. That is incredible. That means you are building muscle. You are building a metabolism and what you feel is a faster metabolism and we want to feed that fuel it. fuel it. fuel it. If you are um if you're getting your trappetide uh um through a doctor you are you controlling the dosage? Yes, I am controlling and by the way I was able only confident enough to do that after seeing your transformation Adam and like the Goldilock zone and all that.

So thanks. Awesome. Well, let me let me let's let's let's put this all in a nutshell. Um, you've lost weight, you feel better, you're stronger, you gain some weight back, but you're smaller. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So, so here's what the data shows on weight loss with the GLP1 without exercise. So, you were sedentary, you just ate a you just ate way less. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. About 35 to 40% of that weight was muscle. muscle. muscle. Lean lean mass. We'll say lean mass, which includes probably some water.

But to put it differently, 50 lbs was probably 15 to 20 lean body mass. How much did you gain back after strength training? training? training? Almost 20 pounds. That's right. And you're smaller, which tells me you're doing great. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Your appetite's going up because your your metabolism's improving and increasing. increasing. increasing. Are you BMI is an obese category? BMI means nothing. Hey, I'm obese 100%. Yeah. You're looking at three obese guys. obese guys. obese guys. Jessica, if if I cut your legs off right now, your BMI would be within range.

Would that mean you were BMI? Yeah, it's Let's not do that. BMI is just inaccurate. BMI is just body mass. And they use that because the average person doesn't lift weights, doesn't do anything. And so, generally speaking, it can tell you some stuff. Now, if you're if you're fit and strong and athletic, and athletic, and athletic, it doesn't tell you much at all. What what tells you what's a better predictor is your strength, your fitness, your activity. Uh and then you can look at other blood markers like lipids and stuff like that.

You're moving in the right direction. I don't think you're doing anything wrong. You're doing great. Definitely doing great. How are you? Um how good are you at hitting consistently your protein intake? intake? intake? Oh, really good. 160. I just upped that to about 170 gram. You're fine. You're Oh my god. When I'm low, I'm 130 g. You're fine. You're fine. You're fine. Oh my god. And how much stronger are you right now from your workouts? Oh, much stronger. My squats went from 45 lbs to 110 lbs.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, you do realize you're you're more than twice as you were before. before. before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here here's the advice I'll give you. Justin hasn't seen gains like that in 20 years. years. years. I'm jealous. You're killing it. Here's where I'll here's the only advice I'll give you. Try to increase your your daily activity cuz you're hitting 5,000 steps a day. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Try to get that up to 8,000 steps a day. Just you'll feel better from it. That's it. That's it.

That's it. Everything else is going great. Yeah. But keep when I go up in calories, can I go just in fats? Calories. Can I go from fat? Yes. Yes. Because because your because your protein is good. You could totally go up in fat. Yeah. And right now, how many calories? You said 26 a day. 2600 calories. 2600 calories. 2600 calories. By the way, if you go into cut right now, you're going to see really you'll see some fat loss if you brought It gets too hungry even with like Yeah.

Don't Don't mess with that. Keep feeding the metabolism right now. Keep going the direction. You're building some good muscle. You're in the zone. Keep going the direction you're going until you get to a place where you're like, "Oh my god." When you if you start getting like 3,000 plus calories, then you can come back down to like 25 and then watch how fast you lean out. out. out. When I go higher in calories, is it okay if I eat some like junk food or like just more unhealthy slightly?

Because that's the problem is how much of sardines and coconut water and fruits will I eat? Well, let me ask you this. Are you sardine fatigue? If you're hungry, then then healthy foods, quote unquote, healthy whole foods will be okay. If it's just because you want to eat, that's different. So, real hunger says, "I want the healthy whatever. I'll eat the chicken. I'll eat the rice, the potato." Uh, hunger that says, "I want hyper palatable processed food is different. That's a craving." No. So whe when I basically like um don't work out for four or five days sometimes my caloric intake naturally drops down to like 17,800 calories and it's not as cuz I am on tripetite so the food noise is not there.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute Jessica on on a consistent so have you looked at your weekly average of daily calories? Yes. Yes. Yes. What is what is the average? Because it sounds to me like sometimes you hit 26 but sometimes you hit 17. So like [clears throat] basically I take off from working out about once every fifth week and that week is when it goes down. Otherwise it stays consistent. You're fine. You're fine. You're totally fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everything you said is good. Yeah.

You're in a good place. The only thing I caution you with like uh like junk food, right? Or not. I would save that for the times in your life when you're with your family, you're celebrating a holiday and you and you're like, "Hey, I I can I can af kick up the cravings and then you end up wanting more and more." And then what happens is it starts to creep in and it starts to eat away at the good stuff that you were that you're consistently doing right now.

So, so having a little bit of balance totally fine. Enjoying that every now and then, especially when it's, you know, with family, whether that's a I don't know if you're a drink or a dessert person or whatever it is person that like you what food we're talking about, when it's connecting with family and friends, save it for those moments, moments, moments, but then just be aware of that as you that creeps in your life that it kicks up those cravings. They're designed to make you crave them.

If I can up the fats, I think I'll be okay. Just more cheese and have some more cheese, dairy, have fattier meats. Enjoy fattier meats. Like get it that way. But great job. Yeah, you're killing it. Like you are doing really really well. Yes. Yes. Yes. That means so much to hear from you guys. guys. guys. Hey, by the way, you're this is not you you have this is you're not at the end. It's just beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to you're going to keep seeing good progress for a while.

It's just getting good right now. Like your metabolism is in such a good place. You should just keep getting stronger and keep I bet your energy must feel great. You must feel so different. 1500 steps to 5,000 steps. Like I I wasn't cooking anymore, which I love to cook because I was so drained and tired and cooking and and which, you know, like healthier because of it. Everything. Everything. Everything. That's awesome. Quality of life, like I said. said. said. Yeah. You got like two more years of of great progress.

Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Thank you. Bye, you guys. Yeah. Check back Yep. Check back in with us, okay? Call us back in a couple weeks. I'd love to hear from you. Okay. Thank you. All right, Jessica. Bye. Wow, she's crushing. Crushing, bro. Crushing. Crushing. But yeah, I mean, no activity, GLP1, just cutting calories. 35 40% of that will be. That's what the data shows. shows. shows. Yeah. Sometimes Yeah. Sometimes Yeah. Sometimes she obviously listens a lot because she did exactly what she needed to do, which is, and this happens to everybody on GLP1.

GLP1. GLP1. But the scale, see how the scale could totally have messed her up. Yeah. Even the BMI, I'm like, "Oh, think about it. The scale went up, but I'm smaller." Yet people would have stopped and freaked out. She was you down from a 12 to an eight pant size. That's crazy while going. What's your concern? That's a pure, you know what it is. Is the scale in the BMI thing which all yet you are crushing it. Like this is why I often times this is why I often times have clients not weigh themselves.

That would have messed up so many%. Yeah. So much better. much better. much better. Our next caller is Matt from Texas. Matt, what's happening? How you doing, Matt? Matt. Hey guys, thank you so much for uh for inviting me to to participate. Um found you guys a couple months ago and literally been hooked. I'm I've gone back to the beginning and it's actually been really fun to see the evolution of the show until now. Um I think I'm on like episode 150. So they got really bad dark ages.

ages. ages. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. You're like family. We Anybody who's listened to all that stuff, we we we consider like family. It does get better. Think better. Think better. Think honestly, I feel like I'm sitting in the room with with some buddies here. So, um uh hopefully you guys can help me out. Um I want to thank you guys for what you're doing on the show. I think it's great. Um in some of those earlier episodes, I mean, sometimes it feels like you guys are speaking directly to my life.

you guys talked about dealing with like stresses of life, losing people, people, people, how that affects you, and and it really ties perfectly into um my situation. So um I'll start by saying I kind of look at exercise and fitness um as my therapy, right? So it helps me deal with stress and anxiety, kind of fought through some depression. So that's that's a lot of my why as to why I work out. Um what I've noticed though guys is um throughout the journey of being a fat kid, getting fit, getting fat again, kind of that struggle in life um and learning from what you guys have taught.

Um I think I've really messed up my metabolism. metabolism. metabolism. So, based on y'all's tips and your coaching and what you guys talk a lot about about repairing that metabolism, building back strong, letting your body do the work for you. Um, over the last couple months, I've really been focusing a lot on that. I know I overtrain. Um, I mean, I've I've really backed off of it uh quite a bit right now. Um, but at my peak I was two and a half hours on the weights and hour and a half, two hours of cardio.

And when I say every day, I mean legit every day. Um, after a stressful day at work, I would go out in the garage. I live in Houston. It'd be 100° outside. I'd go to the elliptical in the garage and burn it down for an hour after I did an hour in the morning, right? So, So, So, on top on top of a training session, um, um, um, as my training sessions had progressed, like it would start at an hour and then I would add I never traded off exercises.

So, I was always like, well, let me try this exercise to hit this muscle group a little different. let me and it just kept building from there to where, you know, shoulders and back, I'd be in the gym for 2 and 1/2 hours lifting and then I'd go climb on the elliptical for 45 minutes. So my question to you guys is with that kind of being said, understanding my understanding my understanding my [clears throat] my reasoning for the dependency on the working out and how it kind of helps me decompress and why I kind of need that in my day every day and not sleeping.

I mean, uh, I sleep on a good night, six hours. Yeah, no kidding. Um, and, uh, sometimes it's as low as four and a half. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like so I'm working on the diet, right? I've built the calories up to um I can maintain about 180 to 183 lbs um and based on the the cheap scale I've got, that has me hovering somewhere between 12 and 13% body fat. um at about 3,000. Um and so I'm working on that component, but what do you guys suggest?

Like Matt Matt, we I know we already know enough. Matt, what what I'm what I'm most concerned or afraid to ask is what does cutting back look like? What what is out? Yeah. What we know what peak you looks like? What does your definition of cutting back look like right now? Yeah. So, right now, another thing that I've learned from you guys is about like central nervous system overload. Um, like I I I keep a really close tabs on a lot of things. Guys, I would wake up in the morning.

I could jump on the elliptical right now, go for 2 hours, so I know I've got really good cardiovascular health. Um, my resting heart rate at 3:00 in the morning was 80. um and constantly feeling tired but unable to sleep. So Adam to to answer your question uh right now I'm for the first time in my life I'm trying to do like a D load week where this morning I walked on the treadmill super low pace 40 minutes and aside from walking the dog that's all I'm doing today.

Okay. today. Okay. today. Okay. Is today day one? Is that I'm gonna put it this way. Uh words of Yoda. You must unlearn what you have learned. learned. learned. Have you Matt, have you uh how long how long have you known you had this call with us? with us? with us? When did they make this with you? Two days. Two or three days. Okay. So that's probably why today you did the first day. No. No. So, Sunday, Sunday, in in all honesty, Sunday was uh what I did Sunday was I kind of hit a total body like two sets, 10 to 12, probably 40% effort, and was in and out of the gym in 40 minutes.

So here so here's so here's the thing Matt with this is uh there's there's there's a lie that you're believing believing believing that has to get tackled before any of this will get fixed. Okay. The lie is telling you that this is helping with your anxiety and depression. depression. depression. Yeah. [snorts and clears throat] It's no different than um you know drinking alcohol can help with anxiety and depression too um until it until it makes things a lot worse. worse. worse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so you're in that spiral right now and you're in it.

It's pretty deep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I could tell you what to do. Uh but it's going to be real hard. It's easy to say. This is a real solid um for lack of a better term addiction. It is. It is. It is. It's a very very difficult one to break. And um the only way I could see this Are you watching Sal's series? Are you watching? No, I'm not. Oh, brother. I mean that this is Sal's problem, problem, problem, you know, and he's he's openly been documenting his whole series is all about this about this about this is breaking this this idol of of fitness and and justifying it all like so literally watching his YouTube series is for you.

I also would sorry to cut you off. I also would if you if it if you have the means to hire like one of our coaches to take you through it. I would need I would definitely recommend that because it's not a matter outsource it for it's not because you don't have the knowledge or the discipline to do the thing. It's that you need a a guy like myself or one of our coaches in your ear constantly being like, "No, no, no, no. Just this. Stick to this.

Trust the process. I got you." Here's why, Matt. because uh you can't listen to your body and you can't listen to your signals. They're they're all lying to you. They're lying. They're lying. They're lying. So everything the coach is going to have you do is going to feel so wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh and so you need that that accountability and that coach to continue to walk you off the ledge every time. every time. every time. Because right now, if I tell you to listen to your body, if I give you a D load workout, you'll do it.

You'll get a little bit, oh, I feeling better. You're going to go right back to scaling things back up or your cut down will still be too much. too much. too much. So, uh, a coach is the only way I see any chance of success with this. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, it's a it's this going to be hard, dude. It's going to suck for it's going to be really really hard for like 60 60 days is going to suck because you're you're you're going to break you're going to be separating yourself from something that uh it's going to be very difficult to separate from and it's going to feel very scary.

There's a couple things you want to do around this. One, you want to outsource it to a coach. Two, a lot of feelings are going to pop up when you start to when you stop engaging in this behavior. You [clears throat] need to replace what you would normally did, which was exercise like crazy, with something else. And it's not going to replace it. It's not going to feel like a complete replacement. It's going to feel totally new. But you got to find another behavior to do and replace.

You can't just not exercise. In other words, if you just not exercise, you're going to drive yourself crazy. yourself crazy. yourself crazy. So, we got to replace like, oh, I'm getting anxiet I feel anxious. feel like I got to do something else. What can I do? do? do? Walking with an audio book is a move. That's one thing. Are are there any habits or passions that you've had in the past uh that maybe you're not engaging in as much because build some more Legos. That [ __ ] that [ __ ] takes that [ __ ] takes forever.

Impressive. I know how long one of those long I know how long one of those suckers takes to build. You'll build one build one of those. I don't see a Death Star in there. So, I guess the time Death Star. have anything like that in the past that you really loved and engaged in that you kind of just kind of let go because of all the time you spent in the gym? So, um I was always an athlete, right? I played baseball up into my mid30s.

Um go to the batting cages. Love to see that. that. that. Well, and you know that's another thing. So, my daughter's getting into golf. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm [clears throat] terrible at it. Okay. Okay. Okay. But that would be a great thing. Yes. There you go. She and I could do together. Love that. hurting me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you know, I'm I'm I'm so bound up from all the working out that I can't swing a golf club right now, but I need to do something to loosen up.

Right. So, it's like you guys are saying, like that's another healthy habit. habit. habit. Um, Um, Um, well, Matt Matt, can I give you a great You mind if I add a little bit to that? Please. Please. Please. If you're going to go play golf with your daughter, don't make it about the golf. golf. golf. For sure. For sure. For sure. You'll very This will very quickly turn into an obsession with golf. So, it's got to be about the connection with your daughter. That'll keep you on the right uh on the right path with all of this.

Yeah. Embrace sucking. And and then here's the other thing, too. Do you uh do you ever write? Do you ever like to write? Occasionally I journ Well, I I I journal when I do like my Bible studies and stuff like that. Okay. We got a lot to work with now. So, here's what you're going to do. uh when you're getting that feeling and you you need to think on paper. You got to process out those thoughts on paper. Uh otherwise it's going to stay uh circulating makes it real.

So I think every time you're like, "Oh man, I feel I'm feeling like, you know, crappy, anxious, dep uh but it's going to get those thoughts out on paper and it will start to help." Even more specifically what that looks like for me, it's uh write exactly and describe how I feel and then write what I'm grateful for right after right after right after that transition right there neutralizes the anxiety. You add prayer to that now you've now you've added a supernatural component for sure. for sure.

for sure. Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I I you but I I would love Can I have a coach call you at the very least give you advice? But I think working with a coach uh for at least 90 days is going to be a good idea to get you you you Yeah, 100%. because you guys I think you guys hit it right on the head. So, I've got kind of this, as you can tell, I've got kind of an addictive personality, right?

And something that starts healthy. You guys mentioned idols, right? And the Bible talks a lot about idols and how we can take something something something that God meant for good. That's right. That's right. That's right. And pervert the hell out of it, which is what I've done. Yep. And S, you were talking about, you know, telling me to listen to my body. Um, I've gotten damn good at ignoring it, it, it, right? Like, you need to slow down. Your heart feels like it's going to jump out of your chest.

Like, you can't sleep at night. And it's like, well, I got to do more, right? Like, I got to work this off got to I got to work this off to where I physically get so exhausted that that's how I I crash. That's right. But but that's I call that okay now I can relax right but I'm I'm crashing crashing crashing and also among all things the heart is deceitful anyway deceitful anyway deceitful anyway y y y so uh so you're going to have to lean in a different direction but we're we're going to have a a coach call you as soon as we hang up and then I also I'm going to have Doug send you Sal's first episode and watch the series that'll be perfect when you when you go for a walk put that make that a daily thing where you kind of go for a walk and just listen it' be very therapeutic to hear this knucklehead going through the same thing.

So, it's like it's literally it's like literally the same very very similar to what you're talking about, S has been sharing through this process that he's also trying to work on. So, it'll be it'll be cathartic to hear him going through it that between that and the coaching, I think, you're going to be the good news is you're in badass shape and you got all this muscle. So, when we get on the other side of this, you're just going to get healthier. You're going to feel better, you're going to sleep better, you're going to look better, and you're going to be doing a you're going to do way less.

It's going to be better. You're going to get all the things that that that that to that look awesome and feel awesome and sleep better with a fraction zero grind zero grind zero grind of the of the effort towards it. So, it's it's there on the other side. The other side's going to be amazing, but it's hard to get there, man. It'll be hard to get there. So, I I appreciate you guys taking the time and uh I look forward to the call, guys. You got it, brother.

Right on, man. Thanks, man. Take it easy. Thanks, guys. All right, dude. Yeah. I I I wanted to ask when he started the dowo cuz in preparation for this call. Well, I as he was going I'm like I just I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you trying to stop him early. Yeah. I was like I already know enough dog. I've already you got to finish this. I already know where and who you are. I what I'm curious about is what is your reduction look like and how long long long he gets after it man.

I mean Oh yeah. No joke. joke. joke. That's it's a tough one to break because that's extreme. that's extreme. that's extreme. I mean he has you beat. Well I've never done that. I've never done done done he's got I've never been like that with it. Mine was more about, you know, feeling capable and looking a particular, I guess, away. Not to say that it's any better or worse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh but that that kind right there can get very destructive very quickly because you just run yourself into the ground.

Uh I mean, we had a client that one of our coaches works with that was doing nine hours a day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of exercise. Um and it's just Yeah. Uh it's a tough one to break, but the coach is essential. is essential. is essential. We could have given him all I could have given him 15. Paul said it would have imagine imagine the the reinforcement of that too. He's 46 years old and he looks badass. badass. badass. I mean how many people probably tell him all day long awesome.

Yeah. And it reinforces. So it just reinforces that like oh my god I bet he gets complimented all the time because he looks so good. And so but he didn't realize a lot of the anxiety and stuff he may be feeling now from from from it's from the workouts. His heart rate all that no sleep is because like you're hammering your body seven days a week that much. Like yeah no [ __ ] you're not sleeping. Like it's going to be amazing on the other side if he can stick with it.

And I hope I hope one of the coaches work with it. That'll be awesome. All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. Shredded, ripped, defined, singledigit body fat. Yes. Yes. Yes. You want to get there? Let's talk about it. it. it. Difficult. And is it worth it? That's a follow-up question. follow-up question. follow-up question. Yeah. First off, we got to say that, okay, so singledigit body fat, obviously body fat percentages, uh, that could be represented by one digit, like 3%, 5%, 6%, 9%.

That's, uh, ripped for men. For women, women, women, add 10%. add 10%. add 10%. Yeah. Don't Yeah, exactly. Go you go up about