GLP-1 Drugs Are Killing People — Here Is What Nobody Is Telling You | Mind Pump 2934

Key Takeaway

If you are considering or already using a GLP-1 medication, make muscle preservation your non-negotiable: strength train consistently, prioritize adequate protein and total nutrition, and work with a qualified clinician rather than buying unregulated compounds. Today, schedule two strength sessions for this week and identify one eating habit—stress eating, boredom snacking, or skipping meals—to replace with a sustainable alternative. The goal is not simply lower scale weight; it is better body composition, strength, and habits that remain when medication ends.

Episode Overview

The hosts discuss GLP-1 drugs as unusually effective tools for diabetes management and severe obesity, while warning against their growing use as a cosmetic “miracle diet.” They emphasize the risks of unregulated sourcing, inadequate nutrition, muscle loss, frailty, and weight regain when people use appetite suppression without strength training, sufficient protein, clinical oversight, or behavior change.

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GLP-1 Never before has any medical intervention been as effective for weight loss as it is now. But here's the problem. They potentially kill people. I'm not exaggerating. There are a lot of bad things happening and we look to the future and you , GLP-1, are not the panacea you think. We'll talk about it today. GLP-1 the good, the bad and the ugly. Oh my God, did someone die recently ? No, but I just thought I'd start by getting everyone's attention. That was a bit of an exaggeration.

Now we all pay attention to it. So yeah, I mean, as I said, when it comes to medical interventions for obesity, there's never been anything even close to as effective as GLP- 1. So GLP-1 is, you know, semaglutide, tirzepatide, you know, trade names Ozempic, Wegovy, and then you know retatrutide, which is still not FDA approved, but it's kind of, you know, on the horizon. Uh, nothing comes close to it . I mean, in the past, they had, you know, fen-phen, uh, and other weight loss drugs that were stimulant-based, uh, and they had some effects, a lot of negative side effects, but they weren't at all as effective as these.

You know, people in studies go on GLP and they lose, you know, 10, 15% of their body weight like consistently, like across the board. Some people even more. So, they are super super strong. But, uh like anything that has such a big impact on something that so many people Yeah. What they seem to have issues with is what comes with it is the potential for abuse, and people are ignoring or at least not bringing up some of the potential negative effects that can come from using GLP .

And that's what I think we need to talk about because I know about you, but yeah. I'm starting to see more people in my friend groups, in my circles, that are using GLP and I'm like , why are you using it? Yeah, I think that's the biggest problem I have right now, it's just, you know, there are people who are taking it and I just don't feel like it's right for them and then I don't feel like that message is really being promoted. This doesn't seem to be any kind of caution.

There's no caution here and you know, the average person, if you talk to them about it , they're going to think they're just going to, you know, lose some weight, some body fat and you know, why not just add that to their training and diet. Yes, no, 100%and you know what, I recently saw a meme like this that went viral. And these were Hollywood actresses. There were plenty of them. There was a whole list. There were about 10 of them, what they looked like then and what they look like now.

And none of them were super overweight before. They were all within a healthy body weight, you know, body fat percentage. But now, and speculation is about GLP, now they look emaciated. They look like they're not doing very well. And the speculation is that they use GLP to really limit food intake. So it becomes kind of a conversation now. What I'm saying is that I think, if used properly, they can be very valuable tools. Well, this is it, this is super interesting when you think about it being around for over 20 years.

Mhm. GLP drug, yes they have. And so, uh, it's so amazing that there's something that's literally so old and has been, has been used, uh, for so long, how wildly popular and how much it can now dominate the conversation, uh, on all the fitness sites. And now it's dawning on me how, and I, and I've been saying this for a while now, it sounds like you're starting to notice it too . My circle of friends and family, which I simply don't want, have never talked about fitness or anything like that before.

So, but now they're talking about GLP-1, which is crazy because it just shows how quickly it's spreading, and it's been around for so long and it's really only recently been introduced to the market. And, you know, this has been a diabetes management strategy for a very long time, with clients who are, you know, morbidly obese, and they use tools like this. And for that reason, I think it's an incredibly powerful tool. And you know, what's happening now is that it's not even close. Far more people who I think shouldn't use it are using it and vice versa.

Yes. So I rarely have to recommend it to someone because they've already heard of it or taken it. Um, more often than not, I question someone like you who really needs to lose, say, 10 or 15 pounds, so why would you use something like that ? Or someone, and, and what worries me the most is that we have these callers and I've seen a lot of them, is someone who's gotten out of shape, let's say, lost weight or gained 20 or 30 pounds of body fat, but hasn't exercised in the last year, 2 years, or 3 years and they want to start taking this GLP- 1 because they had a friend who lost 40 pounds of fat, and they, and, and they think about it, and it's a terrible strategy, especially for someone in that case who, because if you've built a lot of muscle before using it, you have a little, you have a buffer.

Yes. You can afford to lose 10 or 15 pounds of muscle, but most people, the average American, cannot afford to lose 10 to 15 pounds of muscle. Most of them are under-muscled, even if they are obese. Correct. So this is the part that makes it really scary, even alarming, yes. So, where do we end up? I mean, I really feel like we're just trading one problem for another. Yes, I know, great way of putting it. I think first let's talk about who they are for. We also have a sale.

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Well, they are very effective for the right people. Who are the right people? Well, diabetics, for whom they were originally prescribed, but also for people who struggle with severe obesity and who have been struggling with it for a long time. These are people who, you know, tried to lose weight and then gained it back. That is, well , their relationship with food is very difficult to deal with, which has caused a lot of problems with obesity and related problems like blood pressure, diabetes, and so on.

So these are people who have a significant amount of weight to lose, who have tried and just struggled, and that can make a difference – make a difference. It really can. And it can help them, it can also help them in the long term if it's done correctly. So let it be. These are the people this is for. Here's who it's not for. This is who GLPs are not intended for. They are not for people who want to lose, you know, 4.5-6.5 kg. They are not for people who are trying to use them to gain more control or fuel a dysfunctional eating pattern.

And there are people who do it. I know people who have struggled with eating disorders, ranging from anorexia, who love GLP because it allows them to restrict themselves for longer periods of time and allows them to continue moving in that direction. We had live conversations. Yes. We had live conversations like this, which are by no means overweight. I mean, they literally, this is the example I'm talking about, you know, they, they, they, they, you know, they want to lose 2.5 or 4.5 kg, and, and they want to use a tool like that.

And that's because they're used to not eating, and now they've created this medicine that helps someone who likes to undereat. That's my speculation about people in Hollywood suddenly noticing that all these actresses had gone from, you know, skinny to emaciated. My speculation, because I don't know. So I'm speculating 100%. But here's what I think. Firstly, being in the spotlight, like being an actress, puts a lot of pressure on appearance. Of course. Okay, eating disorders are much more common in certain industries, like modeling, you know, working in the media, you know, being a dancer where you're ridiculed for your appearance.

There is always a higher rate of eating disorders there. And I think these actresses are using GLP-1 to fuel the sense of control they gain from restricting themselves. So they were already restricting themselves, but you have these natural hunger signals that you have to fight. Now they can eliminate them completely and say, "Oh my God, I can eat 500 calories a day." Yes. And that's not a problem. This is my speculation. I think that's what's happening. I think they take their problem and fuel it by saying, " Yes, now I can really cut back ." Yes.

And without having to fight those, you know, hunger pangs. Yes. So, well, there's one more thing we need to remember: this is not for people who will get it on the gray market. And I'll say it straight. Most people, if not all, are actually trying to think right now. I think all the people I know who are not GLP candidates who are using GLP have fallen into a gray area. Yes. They didn't go through what was necessary, which was a doctor. They did not go through a pharmaceutical pharmacy that is regulated by the FDA.

They purchase their products under the chemical reagents category . Mhm. Well, when clients call us and say they've started taking GLP and , you know, they want to lose 15 pounds, I almost always ask them, "Where did you get that?" Yes. And you can see them saying something like, " Oh, you know, I mean, anyone who's already talking about retatrutide is definitely doing it. Yes, because it's not FDA approved . Yes, but actually, I hear that from most people who are already using it. So you're using something that has n't been FDA approved yet .

And you're getting it through research chemicals, which I mean, when we had Phil on the show, I forget what he said , what percentage of these chemicals were invalid, but I know their team was testing it and the amount is large. It's enough that you're literally rolling the dice on whether you're going to get what you say you're going to get. It's called gray market because it's legally sold as a research chemical, but it's really black market for human consumption. In fact, on their websites and on their bottles, it says, 'Not for human consumption.'" "So they're hedging their bets.

And you're playing a really risky game. Yes. First, maybe there's GLP-1 in there, but the dosage is inappropriate. I've read about cases where people thought they were taking the right dose, but the bottle was overdosed because there was no quality control. And then, of course, they underdosed, or there was something in there, or it was contaminated with bacteria, which can cause a lot of problems. The other people it's not intended for are people who are already weak. So if you're overweight, but you're also weak, and you know you 're weak, you know you have weakness, you know you have mobility problems, then I wouldn't take something that drastically reduces my appetite.

It's going to exacerbate all these underlying problems. Underlying problems. That's what the data shows. It's all the research. There are studies on this . So it's not just based on experience. You know, 30% of the weight you lose comes from muscle. 30%, you know, do the math. You lose 4.5 kg, 1.4 kg. It comes from muscle. You lose 14.5 kg, 4 kg comes from muscle. So you'll lose a significant portion of your weight that comes from muscle. I want to be clear: GLPs don't have a mechanism for muscle loss.

GLPs don't tell your body to lose muscle. They don't directly tell you to lose muscle; but what happens when you drastically restrict your food intake, which happens during GLPs because GLPs really control or suppress your appetite, is that your body tries to adapt to this reduced calorie intake by reducing metabolic production, and muscles are very metabolically active. So it's just an adaptation that happens. And by the way, if you weren't using GLP-1 and suddenly significantly reduced calories, the same thing would happen to you. You'll just lose a lot of muscle.

So if you're already frail and you don't do anything about it , and you start using GLPs, yes , you'll lose weight, but you'll become much weaker than you are. Yeah, it's just, uh, frustrating, because even a lot of my good friends who They're in pretty good shape and they're using GLP-1. They're using it, it's literally a miracle diet. They don't use any, um, parameters. When it comes to training, you know, you make sure you're getting adequate protein and, you know, essential nutrients, for example. So, you know, you just put yourself in a category that's very unhealthy, and then the effect is significant, so I just don't feel like it's being promoted.

Enough, it's talked about, enough is talked about. Yes, it's a powerful, uh, new approach to, you know, extreme weight and obesity. However, for the average person, when it comes to discipline, when it comes to controlling cravings and, uh, you know, there's a way to work on this that will be lasting and more sustainable than substance addiction. Of course, someone who only watches clips or the occasional show might get the impression or feel like we're changing our minds or that we're veering left or right, but no.

They're still amazing for the right people. Yes. Yes. Uh, I have I mean, I 've seen really cool cases of people who struggled with weight gain their whole lives and they used it, strength trained, adjusted their protein intake, and, uh, worked on their behaviors, and it just changed their lives. Mhm. So there's absolutely, uh, a certain percentage of the population who... I think it could be amazing. But it seems like a lot of the wrong people are also using... You see what you're seeing now, there are a few things, and Justin hit the nail on the head when he said that people are using it as a miracle diet.

So they go from eating their diet to eating much less of the same diet and not changing anything else. And by the way, let me make this very clear, okay? If you just drastically cut calories, forget about GLP-1. If you're listening to this , it's a fact, and people hate it because it was so difficult in the past that they really thought it wasn't true. There are people who say calories don't matter. Calories in versus calories out is a fallacy. You hear people who They keep arguing about it.

And that's certainly an oversimplification. But saying it doesn't matter is completely false. If you take what you're eating now, drastically restrict it, and somehow manage to do it consistently, you'll lose weight. Well, you'll lose weight. One of the things that will also happen is a reduction in muscle mass to meet the new, lower energy intake. And that's one of the reasons it 's so difficult for people, because they do it, they stick to the diet, their metabolism slows down, and then it returns to normal. Each cycle adds more body fat , which results in less muscle mass, and it becomes more difficult.

But there's another thing that's being said. Young women who shouldn't take GLP are simply using it to restrict their intake, or they get reports from doctors that they suffer from osteopenia. Yes. Good. Loss of muscle mass, so if you push that, you push fragility, you also lose bone mass. So we're not just talking about, I can't Move your body. It's like your bones are starting to deteriorate. And one thing we don't talk about is the obesity epidemic. We hear it all the time, and it's very clear, very obvious.

Just look outside, if you live past 30, and you might say, "Oh my God, people are getting bigger and fatter." Obesity is therefore very pronounced. Fragility is not so easy to notice. It's not that easy. It's not that obvious. But if you look at the fragility data, it's crazy. A college-aged man today has the grip strength of a 65-year- old in 1986. You can… You should… You should check this data. This is pretty crazy. We are weakening. And yes, and we don't talk enough about this fragility issue, and that's a real problem.

And so, you know, you mentioned this earlier, Adam, we're potentially solving the weight problem, now we're going to contribute more to the fragility problem. So in my opinion, if we don't do this right, we'll end up... Better here, worse there. Still in poor health. Still many different problems. Now there is a proper way to use them. There is definitely a right way. And part of that is, first of all, being the right person for it. So you have to ask yourself, am I really the right person?

And be honest about it . Go to the doctor. Okay, don't do it. Don't look up chemicals on the internet and try to figure it out yourself. This is playing a dangerous game. So be the right person. But secondly, you know that if you just restrict calories and do nothing else, 30% or more of the weight lost will come from muscle. You need to have a strategy to prevent this. You have to. You absolutely must, otherwise you will find yourself in a bad situation. With e-just a slower metabolism to start with and also let the muscle loss be terrible.

Mhm. And it lowers your health and vitality. So you have to lift weights. Yes. You have to lift weights. If you don't lift weights and follow a GLP diet, you're guaranteed to lose a lot of muscle. Guaranteed, because you will simply limit your food intake. Second, you need to consume enough protein. And I don't mean the minimum, I mean more than the minimum. Do both of these things while following the GLP diet and you won't lose muscle, and you'll preserve it. I've seen people lose half a kilogram of muscle by switching to GLP and starting strength training .

They hadn't done this before, but they started strength training, hitting their protein goals, and the only thing that happened to them was they lost weight. And they actually retained their muscle, which is a great shot. And here's the last thing. Work on behaviors that will persist after you finish the GLP diet. Okay, so if I were to ask someone on GLP, hey, ideally speaking, would they want to continue this diet for the rest of their life or stop it? 100% of people...What are you talking about?

I want to stop. In a perfect world, I would want to be able to take advantage of this, achieve my goal, stop, and I would be great. This won't work until you develop the right behaviors and habits while taking GLP and then gradually start tapering off. Otherwise, the only thing that works is a drastically reduced appetite after GLP. When he comes back, you'll be back to square one. And we can already see it. We see people stop and come back because they didn't work on the right things while on GLP that could outlive GLP.

So I'll add to that, and this might sound a little controversial, but I maintain that I think the right way to go is to have a coach. 100%. I think you…I…I…I don't think you…it's hard enough to learn about macronutrients and understand the right balance for yourself, and be disciplined and consistent about it to know how to train and strength properly. That's it... That's a complex formula for the average person. Then you add a drug that is designed to disrupt the body's natural hunger signals . These are the signals that will help you know when it's time to eat something.

I lifted weights. It's like if you were taking something like that, because we've also seen that even people who are strength training and eating protein have trouble eating enough food. They have trouble eating enough food, and we see bone density problems in young people . And it's not that it's just too drastic a reduction. Just lifting weights doesn't mean you'll prevent muscle and bone loss. So, you know, if you're going to invest in this and take on something like this, I think you should definitely get a professional to guide you through the process, just to keep an eye on it and be another set of eyes that says, "Hey, this isn't enough." " Yeah, honestly, I look at it similarly to a therapist.

I mean, that 's probably the closest you can get to it. So, if I really want to dig into this, I want to look at it as an opportunity to transcend behavior that I do n't have that much control over . Now I'm going to gain, you know, temporary control over it. I have to work through it . The trainer will guide you through this process. I'm going to show whoever's listening now that, of course, it varies from person to person, but generally speaking, I'm going to give you the ideal way to do this.

The ideal scenario that will not only give you the best possible results—pure fat loss without muscle loss, maybe even a little muscle gain— I'll explain that in a moment—but also most likely allow you to walk away at some point and never have to go back to it. Okay? And I'll also save you money. I know it sounds too good to be true, but let me paint a picture for you. So you're the right person. You're listening to me and you're thinking, 'Okay, I'm the right person for GLP.'" I want to do it the right way.

I want to lose body fat. I want to lose a lot of muscle. I don't want to become weaker. I want to have a plan of action that will allow me to gradually lose the weight and I don't really want to reduce the risk of gaining the weight back and having to go through all this again . I want to do it once and that's it . I don't want to do this five times. I don't want to have that yo-yo effect that I've always had, except this time it's a yo-yo with GLP .

I want to do it the right way. This is what it would look like. This is what it would look like to you, right? You think to yourself, "Okay, I'm 80," 60 pounds to lose or 60 pounds to lose? Here's what I'm going to do. I will hire a good trainer. And I wo n't be using the GLP program just yet. For the first two months I will just try to gain strength. The trainer will use the so-called reverse diet and will help you reach your protein goals.

He will also suggest a good exercise program. The right training program for your body with strength training will make you stronger for the next 60 days. Especially if you're just starting out. If you're just starting out, you can expect very regular, quite spectacular strength gains over the next 60 days. This prepares you for the next phase. You are now with your trainer and working with him. You've completed 60 days of reverse dieting, 60 days of protein supplementation and strength training. Now you start the GLP program.

The trainer will guide you through…This process. They'll guide you through this process, so you don't have to use too much GLP because a good trainer will say, " Hey, that's too strong. You're definitely not eating enough . It's going to hurt you." So let 's reduce the dose a bit. "But they'll also walk you through this process of wow, when I was anxious before, I ate. Wow, when I was depressed before, I ate. So they'll help you modify those behaviors, and by the way, this is the right time to do it.

When the hunger signal is weak and you don't feel like eating as much anymore, through different behaviors like, say, boredom, anxiety, depression, those neural networks, those connections can start to weaken unless you strengthen them like you used to. In other words, when I was depressed, I was constantly eating. So I'm creating this really strong behavior with depression. I'm perpetuating it. But now that I'm on GLP, I don't have to eat when I'm depressed, but I'm still depressed. That's still going to happen. You're still going to be anxious.

You're still going to be sad. Let me replace that with other behaviors so I can create a new neural pattern. So now you're with your coach and you're going through the GLP process. The coach's goal is to observe you, give you guidance, and minimize muscle loss and maximizing fat loss. And when you get to the point where you say, "Wow, I think this is my goal. I'm doing great." The trainer will then guide you through the withdrawal process. The withdrawal process usually involves a gradual reduction in the dose.

In the process, the trainer will change your diet again. It will change your diet again to boost your metabolism and set a higher metabolic rate, so you will have more freedom when you come off the GLP diet . You don't have to eat that little to maintain weight loss. And that's what the ideal scenario looks like, and that's the most guaranteed way to get results, and that's why it saves money. Don't do it this way and you'll end up having to stay on the GLP diet for a long time, to the tune of $300 to $400 a month, and you 'll probably do it on and off for as long as you want, trying to maintain your weight without doing things that could take a lifetime.

This is the perfect way to do it. Well, we've seen many people succeed doing it this way. Do it, just take GLP and see what happens, you'll have a hard time. You're going to have a really, really hard time with the Dude, I have to say I don't think I've ever...it's been like 13 years of walking around the studio...I've ever been so impressed with the shoe world... Oh. by everyone. I? I mean, I'm starting with you. Oh, okay. But I mean, I mean you even have Doug in there with his Golden Gooses.

You've got you in the Stan Smith, you've got Dylan in the Stan Smith, you've got Justin there in the Panda SB. I mean, it's every single one of those names. This is the most sublime shoe game I've ever seen from a studio. So those fake pandas over there. Yes, these are the barefoot versions. They are like that, right? They are wide, the ones with a wide toe. This is what they modeled them on. after. That's why I like them, because I thought they were fashionable. They certainly look like that.

So I have to tell you what happened. Yes, yes. You got them fast, man. You got into his head, man. No, let's be honest. No, Adam threw a little Listen, how long have you known me? You've known me for a long time. Okay, shaming me into doing something just doesn't work. I don't care. No, I don't think I embarrassed you at all . Well, you made fun of me a lot . It was more It was a lot of mockery. What I don't I don't feel like I did it .

It was, Here's what I would probably do, and then you said, oh, hmm. Yeah, you called and said I had women's shoes, man. I don't think I attacked you. I don't think I ever said anything, but you did. You said something like, "Hey, man, what do you think of my shoes?" "Did you like the perfect upper?" "No, why did you say that?" He was being honest. Let me tell you honestly. No, let me tell you what happened at work. You said something that convinced me. You want to know what it was?

What? You said something and it hit me. I thought to myself, he's right. When you need any health or supplement advice, you come to me , and I give it to you, and you take it . You say to yourself, 'Man, I take your advice, you never take mine.' I sat there and thought, 'What a jerk.' He said, 'Not you, I do .' He's right. I never asked you what shoes I should wear. I'm glad that resonated with me . So I went home and ordered those shoes you mentioned.

But it's true, because think about it. Of course I know a little about supplements, nutrition, and exercise science, right? At least that much, To be on this show for a while. But I respect that you're better at it. Mmm. You know what I'm saying? I could sit down and try to figure it out myself, or I can, that's the beauty of it. You know, we talk about all this, having community and friends. That's part of it. It's being vulnerable enough to say, "Hey, hey. My boyfriend is smarter than me at this.

I can pretend I know more. I can, but it's like, why, when I have one of my best friends that I can text and say, "Hey, tell me this, okay?" Speed ​​dial. Yes. Yes I know. Yeah, so yeah, so it was like, "Okay, which one did he mention?" I had to remind myself. I'm like, "Elevate your style, bro. I saw Dylan come in. Did you see Dylan's shoes? No. Dylan's wearing them too. I ca n't tell. He's wearing the same pair as you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're pretty comfortable too. And they're... Hey, what are they? They're not expensive, right? No. Yeah, you don't always have to go crazy about it. And by the way, the most expensive shoes in this room aren't mine right now. Doug. No. Yes, they are. Really? Yes. How expensive are they? Doug's shoes are definitely. I got them as a gift. Oh my god. Look at the price on this guy. They're giving me away. Man. Uh, run, you know, $500. Yeah. $500? sneakers here. Why? Yeah, dude. What is that?

Golden Goose. But what is that? It's an Italian brand. Yeah. Oh, they look. I thought they were Converse. I know the star is fooling people. Oh my god, $500? Christmas present. Are they working for you? What's going on? They really do. So good I had to call him out because he always, always, always gets all the crap here. Like I put up with all this materialistic [ __ ] about Adam all the time, like I have to be quiet, my boyfriend here, he likes all this, and he always keeps his mouth shut when they cheat on me here, and it's like I 'm going to criticize him today , like he's wearing the most expensive shoes in the house here.

Great. No, so I'm going to... I'm going to ask you more questions, man, about things like this. They look good. Have you gotten any compliments yet? No, just now. Yeah, yeah, you see. Well, I mean, they look like they just broke in out of the box. I wore them yesterday for the first time . Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're comfortable, right? And what I love about them, what I think is great style, is that they can be worn both elegantly and casually. Of course, now You're wearing comfortable sweatpants, but you might not have noticed because you probably don't pay attention, but I wear them with a suit all the time.

Yes, yes. Oh, yes, I think I would have seen you before. Yes, I will, I'll wear them with a suit. They look great with that black suit. And yes, yes. Yes, thank you. Okay, I'll read up on it. I did some research on acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde is a chemical that your body produces when it metabolizes alcohol. And acetaldehyde is what makes you feel awful after drinking alcohol. And by the way, your body is good at getting rid of acetaldehyde. So, when you drink alcohol, some people can handle it better than others.

That's why some people can have more than others and feel good. And that's just alcohol. It's not like any other fermented thing. Anything fermented. Well, it's not... Well, fermented, which contains alcohol, like fermented fruit or something like that . Yes, Okay. So that's why we're getting reports from our audiences who use ZBiotics about why it changes some people's lives and others'. Right . I assume... I always assumed it had to be worse for some people. Yes, some people just metabolize it better or worse than others.

I always assumed you and I were probably people who didn't metabolize it very well because I'm very sensitive to a drink or two. Yes, it would make me feel awful, and that's why I've always been... I mean, I admit I enjoy a nice little shot or a glass of wine or something , but the reason I've never been someone who did it was because I always felt the same. The same. So, here's what it does. That's what acetaldehyde does. It can disrupt protein function, damage cellular structures, trigger immune reactions, cause DNA mutations.

Wow. Its accumulation can cause nausea, queasiness, headache, facial flushing, tachycardia, sweating. That sounds like... A hangover. That's exactly how I'd feel. Yes, this isn't a good time. Yes, it's a carcinogen, it causes tissue toxicity. So that's why ZBiotics works so well, and by the way, someone stopped me recently and said, "I didn't believe you when you said it on the show, and we tried it and it worked so well. We thought it was impossible. We did it again." "You know, man, this is something. It's a probiotic that's been genetically modified.

So they actually changed the bacteria in ZBiotics. When you drink it, those bacteria break down acetaldehyde. That's how you help your body get rid of the acetaldehyde. Now, other, you know, dietary supplements or whatever, take it with or before your drink. They try to reduce inflammation, you know, they try to hydrate you. Not bad, but none of them work on acetaldehyde. Yeah, you know. You know, we all have a friend in the industry who's an influencer and she gave me her product that she's promoting, and I was like, 'Oh, I know what you're talking about.' I ran out of ZBiotics so I started using this but it didn't even come close.

It just did n't have the same effect as the next day when you just wake up and it's like... I don't even feel anything except tired. Yeah. Yes, I wouldn't even notice the difference. I know. Oh, yes. I've tried everything because I know I'm someone who does n't. I've tried every hangover pill and every other thing out there. It's like Advil at the end of the day, basically. While they have some positive properties that are helpful, they are not the same. Yes, this is a pre-alcoholic drink, that's what ZBiotics is advertising.

They say that's what they say, that the protocol is to drink it before drinking. Although I admit there were times when I forgot and then had two drinks and still felt the effect. This will help with accumulation later. So I know that's the protocol and it's ideal to take it before having a drink in the evening. But a lot of times it was like, I did n't think I was actually going to do this, and then I either just take it and then I figure it out like two drinks later and it still makes a huge difference.

I'll change the subject. I have to tell you a story, man. It's just old, so it was simultaneously shocking , terrifying, er, maybe a little flattering, maybe. I mean, I'm not going to What? But also terrifying. Crazy mix. Also terrifying. So creepy and flattering? Dude, listen to this story, dude. I can't believe people do this or not, I don't know. Anyway , let's go to the pool. So me, Jessica, and the kids are at the pool hanging out together. This is at the gym, right? Yes, and I won't say too much.

Not to mention she says, "Do you tell people which gym we go to?" “And I say…” I won’t repeat myself anymore. "But we went and we're at the pool. We're all having fun and we went to the jacuzzi. So, Jessica and I are in the jacuzzi, and then I go out to play with the kids or something. And there are other people in the jacuzzi. So there's some woman there. She looks at my wife. She says, 'Hey, this is going to sound crazy. I know it sounds crazy, but I have to tell you this.' So Jessica says, 'Okay, what's going on?' So my husband and I play this game where we look at the people around us.

Oh my gosh, and we choose who we'd sleep with.' So now Jessica says, 'Get me out of here.' " So she says, 'What's going on here? '" And she says, ' I know where this is going. First of all, this is the first conversation. I don't know where people are getting all this from . So they say she's saying this to Jessica. She says, ' You know, I saw your husband, and my husband saw him.' "And then she starts, 'My husband is straight, by the way.

He's straight.' " So I already thought, 'Oh no.' "And he said, and he, and he, and she goeth." I asked, “Is this the guy you told me about?” "And my husband says, 'Yes.' " She says, 'So, you know, this is your husband. And, you know, he's a really handsome guy.'" "Jessica says, 'Yeah, thanks. He's a really handsome guy.'" Then I get into the jacuzzi. He looks at me. And I say: Dude, let's get out of here. Well, man. So we leave. And by the way, to make things even worse , this woman had her children in the jacuzzi at the same time.

Oh my God. Big enough to understand and hear conversation. Oh my god, seriously? Yes, man. Oh, that's really weird. Yes, man. Yes, yes, yes. This is happening. Is it already bad for people? This is already weird, and it's even weirder to talk about it in front of children. Dude, my husband chose you and said it would be okay. Yes, I'm with you. You know what's crazy about this? She must have succeeded sometime to do it again. Hey, do you know what this is about? This is This is a game of probability.

You tell it to 10 people like you and two say yes. It's just It's just It's a numbers game, right? I mean, what are the statistics on couples who Well , it's always the wife too, because that's like the introduction. Oh, yes. Guy Guy can't do this. Oh, absolutely not. If it were a guy talking to my wife like that, there would be an argument. This happened to us before too, but yes, my wife always came . Is there ever a time when this isn't the case?

That would be That's not a good That's not a winning strategy. So if you're a swinger and you're sending your husband and you have a terrible strategy. Yes, yes. This ca n't apply to the whole pineapple thing either . So don't try and What is this? I do n't know. They just They Dude, they It's just like a signal. It's like, "Hey, I'm a swinger. Here's a pineapple. " Don't you remember how mad I was that I didn't do this to you. I went, actually, I think I had...

I don't know who worked for us , when I had to get all the sponges. The sponges on your car and doors mean different colors. The sponges mean different things. Like, are you just swinging, or are you crossing your husband with your husband? It was. Yeah, yeah. Look up. Look up. Look at the um. Look at the sponge. Sponge codes in "swingers." Yes. I told you I'd prank you by putting them on your cars . And so, uh He tries. Here you go. Look at this.

Read what all the colors mean. Let's see what it is. Yes, let me get this out here. Let's move on. I've never even seen a sponge on...Oh, you had it . Okay, yes. I tried to enlarge it so I could read it. You really...Now that I'm telling you...then, okay, listen . Now that I'm telling you this, you'll see it. I'd never seen that before until I And then actually, because you know what? You just wouldn't think to look for a sponge for your car. It's funny, when I was searching here, you know what ad popped up?

What? Michael Kors. Stop. Stop. I'm still trying to catch you. Stop. That's why I Yes, that's why we have to put it Okay, okay. Here Here Here are the sponges. Well, white is for novices and beginners, purple is for the peeper and people who like to watch, Hey. pink soft swap, What is soft swap? I like doing it with others in the room, Oh. yellow mild level medium swap for those who want to have fun but are still nervous, black full swap for those who say "what the hell , give it up." And then turquoise is for bisexuals.

So. Well, let's get started. Yes. Is n't that crazy? Man, if I see that on a car now. Oh, you'll see. Because I didn't know about it. Dude, watch out for that. I do n't even remember who told me about it or how I first heard about it . And then I'm like this, huh? I checked it, confirmed it, and so did Doug. And I swear it wasn't long before I grabbed a loofah on a car and thought, So you were going to prank us by putting this on our Yeah, so I was going to put this on all your cars.

Thanks, Adam. What color were you planning to use? Yes, we stayed at an Airbnb. Black for you downstairs. Pineapple decorations everywhere. And I thought to myself, why are they so fascinated by pineapples? Apparently upside down. Yes, upside down. Yeah, it was just everywhere and I thought, oh. That's also code for swinging, right? Is this really how it is? Yes. Yes, an upside-down pineapple, right? Yes, yes. And this white pineapple, what is its story? Yeah, look at the car So show that car because that's how you'll see it when you see it on cars.

Oh, yes. Yes, you had it Come back . Okay. Yes, you had it on Oh, I see it here. Yes. Yeah, you'll see someone tie it to something like that or it'll be around an antenna or something. You'll just see it this way. Is n't that crazy? We need to come up with a code for a powerlifter, a CrossFitter, a strength trainer. You ca n't use them. They are busy. Dude, remember this? Remember that house we rented years ago? We were I don't remember that we were creating any program.

in LA? It was about 9 years ago. It was in LA. San Fernando Valley? It was in the San Fernando Valley. Oh, yes. And I think we're trying to save money. There were still some traces of weed and other things on the counter. And we left. Do you remember how we left? Yes, man. Of course they were filming something there . Yes, yes. And we left. There were thick cables in the walls and everything. Super scary. Yes. Lots of closed doors. We wondered, "What's behind this?" Yes I know.

I'm leaving here. I'm leaving here . Have you seen it, Adam? I wonder if you saw it. Have you seen the new federal income thresholds? I saw. Have you looked through them? Yes, I saw it. I looked through it. So this is crazy. So this is new This is like crazy what This is like, I mean, being considered, uh, just, upper class now is like the 200s and then it's crazy. So, so this is income. So you can have wealth and income. So there are two categories.

Wealth includes owning real estate. This is income, okay? So these are the federal income brackets. Again, these vary from place to place. Of course, we live in Silicon Valley. It'll be like quadrupling everything. But here's what it is. Poverty Poverty is earning less than $15,900 a year. This is for a family of four. So , the poverty of a family of four. Near poverty is between 16,000 and 31,000. Lower incomes exceed this amount to 55,000. The lower middle class exceeds this amount to 83,000. The middle class exceeds this amount to 125,000.

The upper middle class exceeds this amount to 167, and higher incomes exceed 168,000 dollars per year for a family of four . For those two to 50, I thought that was the limit. So these are the new income brackets for which you know what's crazy about it? The middle class now for a family of four across the United States is around six figures, which has changed quite a bit. It used to be the upper class. It used to be only here. Six figures was what I remember growing up, it was like oh my god.

That was the goal. Can you earn six figures? Yes, I know it must be completely different where we live in the Bay Area. Oh yes. I've also seen statistics on this . For example, to just own a house in the Bay Area, they say that to just own a house in the Bay Area, you have to have a combined income of 250 or 260. In the Bay Area? Yes. This still seems low. Well, it's just so I can afford a house. It's like any house. A terraced house, like anything.

Yes, this is what it's like to be able to afford a house that's in the Bay Area. I saw you just picked this up? Yes. So that 's 296. Wow. The lower middle class in the Bay Area is about 100,000. Per household? For the household. Yes. So if you're, if you're supporting a family of four, the middle class is 98 to 296. In cities like San Jose and San Francisco, the median household income is about 140 to 148. So that 's the median. Which is crazy.

What are the top 1% of earners? Right there . Top earning 5 %, top earning 5% is 500K per year. Top earning 1%Is that still the Bay Area or just the whole thing? Uh to the Bay Area. So the top 1% earning in the Bay Area is generally $800 to $1 million a year plus. Yes. And then real wealth in the Bay Area is heavily tied to real estate net worth. The top 3% of Californians earning have a net worth of over $8.7 million. people in the Bay Area, if you don't live here, it sounds crazy, but a lot of people in the Bay Area have a net worth in the millions, but it's not because they're rich, it's because they bought a house 10 years or more ago.

30 years ago. Yes. Like my parents. My parents bought a house a long time ago and let me tell you, my parents are not rich, okay, not at all. Eee, not even close. Uh, but their house is worth $2 million . So this is their net worth now. That's the biggest, uh, or not the biggest, but that's one of the biggest challenges that young people face growing up in a place like this is that it's gotten this far. Listen, your starter home in the Bay Area is now a million dollars.

Yes. 25% of the down payment is a quarter of a million dollars. The amount of money you need to save to pay off student loans, pay rent, buy a car, and also save enough to make a quarter of a million is insane. I'm talking about years and years and years of consistently living well below your means to achieve this, or finding a way to earn a higher income, or partnering with, or marrying someone who has the same income or higher. Move to Fresno, Bakersfield, you know.

San Francisco Bay may not be for you. I don't understand. Oh, that's my, my, my, my best friend, he and I, when I got my apartment when I was 21, we lived together for five years until he graduated, got a good job with a six-figure salary in the Bay Area as a PTA, and then when he settled down with his girlfriend, who's now married with two kids, he and she are nurses in the Bay Area, so they make good money, but they were both like, "If we want to start a family and stuff, it's going to take us forever." Yes.

Develop here and so on, and they both had professions that allowed them to go to the Central Valley and make relatively similar amounts of money. He agreed to a small salary reduction, but not that much compared to the price of the apartment. They could have bought a really nice, you know, 3,600 square foot, four, five bedroom, for $2.5 million. Oh, yes, yes. There in California, in enclaves like this one in the Central Valley, but that again, is less desirable. I get that, but I also know people who like to commute from Los Banos to get to, you know, work here in the Bay Area, and then they commute home a few hours a day, but you know, it's one way to at least start building something.

My friend is a doctor and we talked about it. He was like, "Man, if my daughter goes to college, goes to medical school, does her residency, and graduates, she's going to be making, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars a year after all this college, after medical school, after residency, and with a ton of debt." He was like, "She won't be able to live here." "Yeah. Well, my nephew, who I spent last weekend with, um, he's going to medical school. He wants to be a doctor.

And he wants to be a radiologist, the one who supervises the technicians. Okay. I do n't know what that is, I think it's a radiologist. He has to finish medical school, just like a normal doctor, but you know, you're talking about eight years of school, and yes, they graduate . I think their starting salary starts at $300,000 or something a year, which sounds... Yeah, like a lot when you're a kid who went from nothing to something like that , and it's a lot of money, but if you have, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars in student debt, um, and on top of that you have to pay rent in the Bay Area to get started, right?

And you're not going to find a modest... Apartment or studio in the Bay Area, you spend $2,500 a month. And a car. There are even people in the tech industry. There are people in the tech industry, and the tech industry can pay very well, but there are also people in the tech industry who Four or five people live in one house . And they all earn money. Yes, and now something interesting. We talk a little about the economy, the future, and all that , as well as real estate , and...

I have a theory, because many people predict a coming crash, and I think we're already in a mild recession. We've been in it for two or three years. It's kind of like a pullback in the real estate market and things like that. So I think we're already in it. I don't think we're going to experience a crash. I think we're living in times of change. I think ... The future is such that not everyone will own a home. It will happen. It's a luxury, and here are some signals beyond that.

We assume everyone can do it. That's part of it. Part of the American dream. That's right. And since the 1970s, we've been moving away from that. And dramatically. And so, politics has taken that dream away. Well, then let's look at the younger generation's behavior when it comes to owning things. Uber. Everything is rented. Did you know there are companies that rent handbags? I was hanging out with someone. And Then luxury watches. And she, she, and it's completely understandable. They do that. Think about it. Think about how smart that is.

I think she pays, I want to say it's about $250 a month, $250 a month or something like that, her monthly fee or whatever. But every week she gets a budget of five or seven thousand dollars for a handbag. I think everyone sends her a different one. She can, she wants... And so on, and as a woman who likes handbags like that, how often do you wear them? It's when you go out to dinner, a party, or something. So probably only once a week. Maybe you want a different handbag.

Some kind of monthly subscription. Yes. And then she can exchange it. She does. And yes, she always has a new, fashionable handbag, and then they charge you the full amount. I'm sure you have... Yes, I'm sure there's an insurance policy and stuff like that. And you probably have something like... Yes, smart. It's changing. The economy is changing. One reason is because they're doing this with watches. Rolex. For $250 a night, you can rent, you know, a $20,000 Rolex watch that you can wear like... Well, here it is...

So what happened was part of the American dream. Part of the American dream was buying a house, paying it off, and what happened was that so many people tied up their wealth and retirement in that, that it kept driving up prices. And then the policy was to never let real estate prices fall. Because as a politician, now that so many people have wealth and stability in their homes, if we let that happen , it's going to be really bad. So what they're doing is promoting more policies and ways to continue to pump, you know, pump up the real estate market.

Trying to sell opportunities. The result of that is exactly what you're saying, Adam. Isn't the future about owning? The future is renting everything? Yes. You don't own anything. Yes. And I think it was at the World Economic Forum. I think they said something disturbingly similar to that message . And we're just going In that direction. And we always want to retreat , just like we did in the past. And so, oh, that's... It's going to happen because it already happened. That's such a flawed understanding. That's not how it works.

In fact, the things that affect our economy are things we never predict. COVID. Yes. If you think about the consequences of COVID-19 economically, legally, and so on, no economist could have predicted it. And yet, it had the biggest impact. It threw a huge challenge into everything. So this idea, oh, this is, you know, the, you know, typical trend in the stock market and real estate market is like this, and that's why this will happen. It's such a flawed understanding, believing in that. It's like this , because there are other factors that always play a role.

And one of the most important factors that I think influences what the real estate market and the economy will look like in the future is that we're moving away from caring about owning things like that. We're borrowing, renting, using Uber and Airbnb. We don't like that it's just changing. Direction. Just because I say this doesn't mean there's no value in being someone who has these things. I think if you can accumulate enough wealth and savings and invest in these things, you're positioning yourself very well .

But I absolutely believe that the vast majority of people in the future won't want to own any of these things. And in this context, a general social survey was conducted in 2018, reported as part of the "Social Leap" study, and it analyzed what had the greatest impact on people's happiness. Here is one of the shocking discoveries. It's not shocking, I think, for us, but I think it was shocking for a lot of people . Poor Americans, that is, people who qualify as poor in their income group, who attend church regularly, are happier than wealthy Americans who never go.

So 36% of poor Americans who attend church regularly are happy, very happy. Not just happy, but very happy. The 26% of wealthy Americans who never walk are very happy. It's a good way to... you know, transition into... the conversation , because we're talking about money and I know that if you really boil it down to, "Why do you want money? " "Why do you want more money?" "What do you boil it down to, fundamentally?" People say, "Well, beyond the basics, what makes me happy? But then what?" "Yes, it makes me happy." The data shows that this is not a good way to achieve happiness, especially when compared to other things like community and church.

It's a time trading tool. Yes. That's all it's about. It's a time trading tool. If you take the time to go to work and earn it, and then you turn it over and spend it on things that either take your time or give it back to you. Yes. That's all it's about. Your autonomy. And when you're constantly working to buy material things that don't give you time, it's a never-ending pursuit. Mhm. And so, and eventually you'll realize that... Well , oh wow, it's not as valuable as I thought, because otherwise you'll be stuck in the rat race of more, more, more, more.

Entirely. True? It's just, oh, I don't. It's because this car isn't big enough or more expensive, the house , I need this house or that house, it 's not like this thing, this thing, so you just go in that direction. But what I mean is that the most valuable thing you can do is buy back your time and invest it in things that actually add value. In that context, there's a study, uh, some study that was just published and it was a huge demographic study looking at 236 countries since 1950.

They talk about global fertility, or how few children people are having. And here's what they discovered. For the first time in 60,000 years. So this has never happened in modern human history, not during world wars, not during global pandemics, never. This global fertility has fallen below the replacement rate. Widespread decline. Of the 236 countries, 219 are in a state of negative fertility trend. It doesn't matter whether the country is rich, poor or otherwise. Birth rates are falling everywhere. The only reason the global population is growing right now is because of the so-called the demographic momentum that keeps older generations alive.

In about 30 years, the global population will peak and then decline. And this is where it gets crazy, politics does nothing. So far, no government intervention, tax breaks, extended holidays, whatever, has effectively reversed this trend. It's not an aging world, so people are living longer, but we don't have children. The only possible solution, because it's a disaster. This is what happens, this is what happens, and so on, what will happen… Did you say 30 years? In 30 years we will see a huge decline. So, okay, you have to think about which side you're on about the longevity of biohacking, because one of the reasons we have n't seen as much of a decline is exactly what you said.

That we live longer. Do you believe that thanks to science and technology we will extend this even further? I believe. I believe. But what about the fact that we will have more old people than young people, more people unemployed than working , which is an economic disaster? The only positive solution I see is... And this is going to sound funny, but robots. Yes, yes, wait, wait, wait, wait. The challenge to oppose this and question it as well. Uh, how many decades has it been since people started extending their working lives?

The average retirement age has increased over the past few decades and continues to rise. Yes. Can you check this, Doug? Average retirement age today compared to 30 years ago. Because I'd like to see what it's like . And it sounds so crazy, but if we live to be 100, 110, 120, it 's not so strange that we work until we're 70 or I'm 80 now. And I mean, we all said I could totally do this until I was 70 or 80. I wouldn't be mad at that.

So maybe this is artificial intelligence too. Maybe that will change too. It's not that we won't stay at the same retirement age, but at the same time... Well, it only increased by about 3 years. So 65 years today compared to 62 years ago 20-30. So it grows. But here's the problem, because many people will retire with wealth. They did a good job, so they'll just go to work. We need people to innovate, to create things that support society as a whole. But that's why I said robots.

I wanted to say that you also have this factor. If you drastically increase the productivity of one employee, you know, a hundredfold with AI and robots, that would definitely solve, you know, order 66. You know what? what will we do with it? Wait, wait, what is this again? So we're promoting this idea that robots will do all these things in your home. They'll take it over, but, you might be designed backwards, there's some kind of switch. I, I... I'm kind of in your camp because a lot of things are overhyped because I see how they actually move, bro.

This is weak. This is very weak. It 's still just not smooth and well, don't you think they'll fix it? Of course it will get better, but yes, but how long will it last? All right. Uh, again, I know you're not a great cook in the kitchen. I know you are, so you'll probably appreciate this a little more, Doug, but when I'm in the kitchen making dinner, I literally do so many things. I clean here, I grill there, I'm like that, and I just can't imagine this thing being there and doing all these things so efficiently, seamlessly, at the same time.

Again, maybe my monkey brain just ca n't comprehend it. I imagine it splitting up all four jobs I have going on at once and taking up eight hours in the kitchen, which… It will have that thing. Listen, can you look for a Roomba with chips and cameras that spy on us? Yes, dude. Because if it happens in a damn Roomba, that's why I'm mentioning it. If you had full mobility, bro, you know this is what's happening right now. Robot, that's the one. They are already in their homes and are being controlled by people from the Philippines.

Someone is literally going from house to house. And yes, it's stupid to me. There are no spy chips. At least according to this. Nonsense. Well, google these spy chips and what they proved , Justin and I saw, is that they, they, and that's what they, you know, unquote, judge, is there, they're tracking, they're tracking the living area and the whole area, and so they're definitely collecting data. It's not like it's not down. I think, but look at how these things move. Yeah, but I think they'll be fine , man.

I think they'll manage. They will get better and better. But they better do better, you guys, with the demographic collapse we need them. We will need robots. People need to have more children. Nobody does this. So we're going to need robot caregivers. So for me this is the optimistic side. So when you talk about 30 years, I do n't want to think about how different Moore's Law will be in 30 years. Like you, none of us here can even comprehend it. We can't. So I like to worry about things like demographic collapse and I know they become talking points and things like that.

It's just like, oh my god, you know what, how many things are we going to have to innovate and change and change in this, which reminds me of, it's really crazy. One of the biggest lies people have been told. There was a book in…1970, something called The Population Bomb. Maybe you could find it for me, Doug. And this was the scientist who said we'd run out of food, we'd run out of oil, right? We're done. And his prediction was, I don't remember what year it was.

It was 1968, that's what the book said. And I guess we were supposed to starve until 1990, right? But he doesn't take into account what he never took into account, which is that we will produce better and obtain resources better. Thanks to technology, we have more oil now than in 1970. Even though we use much more of it, we have more of it today. Is n't that crazy? We produce and manufacture more food and feed more people today, much more than in 1968. So it was a lie and many people still believe it, as if they couldn't have more people.

We still have more people, that's not true. Good for , you know, Earth, as if Earth were like this creature or whatever, but that's not true. Actually, the more people the better. It's better. We have more innovation and more, and we are, and efficiency, like how we got through this period where and I know there are climate change people who are screaming on the other side. It's like we're doing damage today compared to what we were doing in the '70s and '80s, like we're still improving our carbon footprint and doing things that are moving in a positive direction.

Concerned, I would say now, as a result, which is positive, but it's like , yeah, let's look at this, if we actually look at the actual data, what is it like... Well, I don't want to be too controversial, but who was I talking to? Someone I was talking to is one of my younger cousins. It could actually be my niece, and we're talking about Earth and how Earth would be so much better if it existed... There are no people on Earth. And I said, "Who would enjoy the Earth?" She said, "Well, but Earth would be better." I said, "You know, first of all, as humans, we have to put ourselves on top, which we do.

That doesn't mean we're not good stewards of our resources and we do n't treat animals well and so on. That doesn't mean we are, but who cares if we all disappear and the Earth thrives if there are no humans? There are no humans." That's such a weird way to look at it. Which is crazy. There are such people. They are anti-human. They look at us like a virus. As a virus, it's a very warped, dark mentality, very nihilistic. Just like you look at other people and say, "Oh, you're bad." "It's like, I mean, a lot, and, okay, so I was watching this new show.

It's like 'Tiger King,' but with lizards and reptiles, and it's wild , right?" And you know, and a lot of these people are really wild people. Like, you know, very much like criminals and, you know, some of them have some ornate, colorful pasts. Uh, but a lot of them feel more comfortable around animals, and this whole situation stems from them being hurt. They were hurt. They experienced trauma. And it's all, you know, something from childhood, but it's like, "Oh, but animals would never do that to me ." "And yes, they're always friendly and yes, yes, until they rip your face off, but you know, that's just how they are now, that's their, uh, framing and that's their perspective.

Is it a common thing, uh, that people who have had childhood trauma and things like that are attracted to animals? Is it like... Is it a common thing? I think so. In certain cases , yes, I think. Have you ever... Have you... I thought I saw... I think I think... Have you ever heard of this? It is, I think, yes. If you really break it down , it's really dark and twisted. I know people, I know a lot of people. Actually, I'll say this and people will resonate.

It will resonate with a lot of people. They can handle killing a human in a movie, no problem. But if a dog... Yeah. Or an animal dies, oh my God, I can't watch this movie. Isn't that crazy? Well , we can't. That's why the John Wick story resonated with people so much . His dog. He killed him, and he just went crazy, killed thousands of people. They are. They're rooting for him, you know. Wait a minute. Interesting. Yes, people with childhood trauma often feel drawn to animals.

This connection provides a deep sense of emotional security and trust that can be lacking in interpersonal relationships. Interesting. That makes sense. I have examples in my life right now. Which are the animals you own? Is there a way to predict trauma based on the type of animal? Dogs are known as, hmm, what's it called? A guard dog or something. They are. They are, but but I think. And that's because they are. I'm sure their loyalty, their behavior, all of that. Anthropomorphization, like lizards are like cold and dark.

So that's what I was going to say. Soulless in my opinion. Everyone likes dogs. Everyone. So many dogs are owned. But is there a particular type of animal that, if they own these animals, you could? There's a chance they had some serious trauma or much higher. Like spiders? Are they lizards? Are they snakes? Mhm. I'm guessing. I have no idea. Yes, that would be interesting. But I don't know if there's any data. He's right. How did you... How did you Google that? Uh, yeah, can you predict trauma based on the type of pet someone has?

Do people... Look at... Look at... He has... He has... Dogs are people who seek social bonding and post-traumatic stress. Yes, but look at cats and introversion and sensitivity, trauma and stress. Birds, reptiles and exotic animals, unconventional, trauma and daily coping mechanisms... Okay, that's it. Yeah. So I'm... So I'm guessing. I don't know if that data exists, but I think that when people own a lot of reptiles and spiders and other things, I imagine there's probably a higher repulsion for people. I'm totally guessing. I have absolutely no problem with people owning things like that, but that's just a guess.

Just a total guess. What's the guess? The guess is that if you own things like tarantulas and Snakes, you have a higher chance of having experienced some serious trauma . Oh, I don't think so. I don't believe that. I think it's no different than an animal. I think it's less similar. I think these things are probably related to a positive experience, right? Someone who was comfortable playing with insects when they were little, or had a parent who was interested in them, so they are. I think it's more related.

It sounds like I never let them have it, and then they always missed it, which I don't know. You. Maybe I'm saying this because I, I, I never owned anything like that. Actually, no. It seems so strange to you. I have nothing against lizards. I like them, but it's like, you know, having them as a pet, it's just like, what? Yeah, no. I know people who like things like that, and I know they don't do that. But what's interesting to me is that there's a connection here: people who have experienced childhood trauma tend to...

I think it's more interesting that if you had childhood trauma, you probably have it too, you're probably more likely to... And dogs are special. Let's be honest . Dogs are so special. So special. They're the best. Yes, they're the best animal there is. You know, you said about a lizard, talking about lizard skin, Justin's skin doesn't look like lizard skin. Oh, wow. Look at So hey, I have to... I'm not kidding. I have to ask you, what's your favorite? We all use Caldera Lab. What's your favorite skincare product because they have a good one.

What's the other one called? Great, base coat, they have a hydro layer. Yes, hydro layer. What do you have? I have a favorite . My favorite soap. That good one, serum. Is serum your favorite? Yes, because I have psoriasis and it's dry. So before Caldera, one of the natural things I liked to do was apply coconut oil or some kind of oil. And yes, this natural serum on my dry skin just feels so good. So I was impressed that it didn't You all scolded me for having some crazy sunburn.

Because when I was in Laguna Seca and came back and did the podcast, I was still as fresh as day and I applied the serum and everything like I did on the weekend, just as a preventative measure, at night. That must have made a difference . Help? It was bad, I was very red. Man, I was like a tomato. No, your skin looks good. Yes. So I like it. I like the good ones, and then I like the great ones. Both are my favorites. My wife likes hydro-layer the most.

Yes. I mean, I like them all. I use them. I use them all, but the good ones are the ones I use the most. Because that 's the best. Yes, I think that's also simple. It's simple, just a few drops. Did I ever tell you that I told you this story? This is like the tenth time. Someone stopped me and said, "You're the guy from Caldera." "I'm that Caldera guy, apparently. I always think it's funny. Good talking points. I mean, someone just sent me something, something about another partner of ours, like a commercial.

And it's someone I know who doesn't listen to the show or anything like that. And it's their connection to, you know, our, you know, pushing for a handsome guy. What do we... They never use Justin in a commercial. They never use me. I... What's up, guys? You know, it's not because you're not handsome, man. I just don't feel like talking. You don't. I don't ... I'm not enthusiastic. You can see his skin is boiling, just like mine. They say... Look, his skin looks a lot better than his, okay?

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Generate more leads, close more deals, finalize bigger deals, and become a more effective coach. By the way, our course is recognized nationwide. In fact, it earns you 1.9 CEUs toward or towards your NASM certification. Learn more at mindpumpfitnesscoaching.com. Our first interviewee is Kennedy from Missouri. What's up, Kennedy? How are you, Kennedy? Nothing. How are you? Okay, man. Okay, man. How are you, man? All right. Nice to see you again. Hmm, it was good. So, I've been practicing with Maps since we last talked about Performance. Hmm, I increased my calories to 26, even 2800 a day, instead of 1600 as I was doing.

Hmm, I really focused on progressive overload while I was there and tried to increase the weights every time I did a functional day. Hmm, mobility was a huge benefit for me. I've always been someone who wasn't flexible at all. So having something that forces me to stretch and relax is a huge benefit and I've seen drastic changes in how I feel, I would say. Great. Hmm, yes. It's easy to move around and even do squats, they're 10 times easier now that... I can move better, of course.

And then my situation with my leg is probably the best situation since it happened. Yes. Good news, man. I think some mental barrier has been broken that I can't do something, when I just have to force myself to get over it. Because I just started phase three, so it was box jumping and figure skating and stuff like that . And these are things I probably would never have forced myself to do if it weren't for this program because I would have been worried about my leg and ankle, but I had no problem with that.

Absolutely nothing, so I haven't weighed myself since we last spoke, which was maybe once a few weeks ago and it was still the same. I weigh 180 pounds. So I didn't gain weight. My strength increased every time I was in the gym, so it was great and I love this program. It's definitely heavy, but yes, good. So just to recap, Kennedy, you had a serious injury years ago. Yes. And you had stability problems. And then your calories are really low because you were worried about, you know, gaining weight or being overweight.

And what happened is that you're following a good program that, you know, definitely has an impact on how you feel now, for sure. But the bigger impact, and again, both are very important, but the bigger impact is the fact that you went from 1,600 to 2,600 and then to 2,100 calories. This is what makes such a huge difference in your strength and mobility. The fact that you eat, you eat another 1000 calories . Mhm. And that's what makes such a big difference. Then the program definitely makes a difference, as I said, but calories are the most important thing.

So if you want to get moving and what you notice is no weight gain on the scale . Mhm. But you are slimmer. Your email says you feel slimmer. I feel like I can see more definition in my arms, biceps, and the like. So what happened was you built some muscle and lost some body fat . Yes. Mhm. Now, if you want to continue down this path, and I'll define it. More strength, more vitality, better movement, faster metabolism, better hormones. If you want to continue on this path, I can give you more advice.

Yes of course. Okay, I want you to increase your calories again. Okay. Yes, I want you to start thinking this time? I want you to increase If you're between 26 and 28, I want you to increase it to 3 to 32. Oh, I was going to say 28 to 3. Yes. But I want you to Yes, 3000 would be a good goal. Mhm. Okay. Once you finish MAPS Performance, you can repeat it or you can do MAPS Symmetry. Okay. And you will continue to see great results.

Yes. You will continue to see great results by doing this. Getting stronger with each workout is not only good, it's exceptionally good. So , I mean, you're kicking ass, there 's more room to run up. Yes, now you're humming. I appreciate that 2600 calories is still not enough. It's a lot more than before, but it's still not enough because we're still doing this body composition change when the main goal is for you to be strong, man. Let's make your leg feel super confident and stable. We can worry about getting down to 10% when we get there, which, by the way, will be much easier because you'll have a raging metabolism.

Oh, yes. Mhm. You know, you'll be able to reduce it. I'll say this. You will be able to reduce to 2400-2500 calories and get down to 10% body fat. Okay. Yes, that would help. This will be a deficit for you. Yes, that would be great. Yes. So follow that path and make them bigger again, man. 3000 is a permanent goal. Once mass efficiency is achieved, symmetry will be the next program. And that's it, man. You're doing great. Perfectly. Thank you all. And I appreciate all of this and meeting all of you again.

Yes. Yeah, I'd love to hear how you're doing after this too, because I think that's it. I can't wait to hear where you are after moving to 3000, 3200 calories. You'll just keep building muscle, man, and keep losing weight. I literally unlocked something and you know, I wanted to ask you about it and you mentioned it a little bit. Tell me a little about the type of fear you have …I overcame it by increasing my calories and exercising like I do now. How do you feel about this?

It gave me confidence that I hadn't had in a long time . I think this is one of the main reasons why I like to tell you the last time I hit the gym. The thing is , I just walked in there and felt like I had no direction . As if it were the same as always: pushing, pulling, legs, the same thing every day. And by doing something like that, I realized I was a lot more athletic than I thought, even after the whole incident.

And it restored my confidence. I thought to myself, "Okay, break it, find a way, be careful, but find a way." This doesn't define who I am. This does not define what my body can do. And we can overcome this and make it 10 times better than it was, even though it's a bad situation. Yes, man. I love… Yes, I love that you lean towards movement, especially… mobility. And it's really just going to unlock new potential for you , man. This is super exciting. How will you feel if you don't feel it yet, because you're about in the third phase, so maybe in two months, right?

60 days? Okay. Yes. It's only been two months. Let me remind you, man. That's 60 days. Yes. How long have you been eating? How long have you been eating 1600 calories and doing push-pull-legs? From January until I spoke to you . Yes. So it's only two months. Yes. How will you feel, because you will feel this if you haven't already done this for the rest of your life, like you're lifting weights, like you're taking down blinds. Like wow. Like you had more energy, better mood, better libido , more confidence in other things because it had such a profound impact.

And by the way, it's not just you. This will have a profound impact on everyone. You take a man who is active and you force him to eat 1,600 calories a day, and all your systems in your body are weakened and depressed. All. That's why you keep getting stronger. Yes. Yes, so increase it again. 3000, be consistent, after the performance, be guided by symmetry. You're gonna be great, man. And by the way, there 's a 5-by-5 ​​bilateral phase at the end of Symmetry that you'll probably be ready for at the end of Performance and Symmetry.

And when you get there, man, you 're like, "Oh [ __ ]." " Whole new achievements are waiting for you, yeah. That's right. Okay, perfect. You did it, man. Great job. Yeah, good job, man. Great job. Thank you all. I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. You did it, man. I'm proud of you, man. Yeah, call me in 60 days, let us know what's going on. Send us an email. Okay, sounds good. Okay, thanks. Later, man. And huge success. Man, huge. Great. Huge. Wait, I, I, you know, by the way, he said something I just want to mention.

He said, um, I feel more flexible and mobile. Mhm. And I never thought I was flexible and mobile. There are two reasons. First, he's on a 60-day program focused on mobility. Mhm. Second, and people don't understand this, when you're malnourished for a long time, yeah, um, your body shuts down certain things. It limits movement, it limits energy, it limits a lot of different things. And anything to Save. When you live there for a while, it's like, that's just me , that's how I feel. And then, you know , when I do this with clients, um, they say something like, "I'm a new person," that's what they would say.

We start to realize he's becoming a new person. He's discovering new potential. Here's another one of those great stories. That's what we always like , um, increasing calories by 1,000 calories, not gaining weight. That's crazy. That's not math. How does that work? Yeah. Come on, scientist. You gained 35 pounds of muscle to boost that metabolism? How does that work? Uh, that's crazy. You see it over and over again . Our next caller is Erosai from California. Erosai, call Colorado, sorry. Erosai, what's up, man? Hey, how's it going, guys?

Good evening. How can we help? First of all, I'm so glad to be talking to you. I've been listening to the podcast for 6, 7 years, maybe. I even went back to catch up on all the episodes, and I just love your show. I try to share it with anyone who asks me for fitness tips or anything like that. I always tell them, "Listen to these guys, they know what they're talking about." Thanks, man. I appreciate it, brother. Yes, but in short, a little about me .

I am 27 years old. I've been practicing for some time. Over the last 3-4 years I have started a job that requires a lot of physical effort. I'm a delivery driver in the restaurant industry, so I drive a truck, I go to restaurants, I deliver their stuff personally, on a cart. I typically take 10,000 to 15,000 steps a day and consume 20,000 to 25,000 pounds of product per day. So I had to significantly reduce the intensity of my training, but I still had problems with lower back pain.

Especially this year, I was injured twice. I had to take a few days off and let it heal. Fortunately, there are no intervertebral disc injuries or anything like that . It's just a pulled muscle or something. So my question to you was how can I strengthen my lower back and also, I don't know, can I support it? Yes. Or still go to work every day of the week and lift weights and stuff, without going overboard. Mhm. Eric, let me ask you a few questions just to make sure, okay?

Yes. Do I have the same type of back injury every time? I think so because every time…I don't know if it was the same side, but every time…when… I got hurt, my hip shifted to the side and I walked sideways for a few days before it finally stopped. I see. Where do you feel this pain? Usually in the lower back, on the side, sometimes even down to the hips. Okay. Okay. How did the injury occur? What were you doing? First time just at work. I didn't know when exactly I experienced it.

It started hurting and then it got worse and worse throughout the day until I could no longer work. Okay, fine. The second time was with squats at the gym. Okay. Okay. It sounds like the biceps femoris or hamstring, but it's probably the biceps femoris . This is the quadriceps muscle of the thigh. You can look it up online and see what it is. So you kind of know what the action is, but it basically gives you lateral stability. So when your body bends sideways. And then the biceps femoris is the hip.

A flexor muscle that attaches to the leg but runs throughout the body and attaches to the lower spine. Sometimes a hip flexor can become strained because it is trying to stabilize another muscle that is not working as it should. And when he does this, the side of his lower back hurts. It seems to be one of those two things. Mhm. Hmm, a couple of things you'd like to do is basically strengthen the support areas. And even strengthen the muscles themselves. So you're probably thinking, "Okay, how does this look program-wise?

" "I think a program that would generally address some of these issues is MAPS Symmetry 15. I think that might be good, considering your load. Mhm. And you're really only doing a few exercises a day. And it's unilateral, which I think would address some of the issues you might be struggling with. Yeah, I once injured myself squatting at the gym , so I started doing lunges and Bulgarian squats instead, and I didn't have a problem with that. Good. So I'd like to get back to squatting sometime.

Yeah, of course, but we need to work on some stability issues before we start training heavy. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, once we load it up, you're kind of opening yourself up to injury if there's still instability . So we need to address that. We need to get stronger first. So, you know, really give it time. And then also, like, you know, hip bridges and stuff like that , gradually." Introduce rotation, which is something that can, you know, you have to be very careful with. But it's also something that's like a windmill, which would be great, you know, in addition, uh, in the future to start working on.

There are two... So, what I'll do is send you the Symmetry Map 15. That's your workout, which, by the way, you're going to love. You're going to love how it feels and you're going to build muscle, you're going to do all these things. I'll also send you two videos with two exercises that you can do pretty regularly, almost every day, maybe every other day. One video was a windmill. And I think it's just a great mobility movement that you can do before you go to work.

So, before you start your day, you can do about five reps on each side, something like that . Maybe do it halfway through the day as well, do a few. And then... to send you something, um, the title of this video is, um, hip flexor deactivation , um, crunches or hip flexor deactivation. And So, what you can do with those two is you can practice them a little bit, 10 minutes before you start work, um, or maybe after work or in the middle of the day.

Um, and you don't have to do them every day, but every other day is fine. And then your training map 15, and I think that will probably solve your problem. Okay, yeah, that sounds good. I already had, I already did a regular routine with the map, and I really liked it. And it's funny how you make all this progress and it feels like you're doing nothing. Yeah, no, 100% man. It constantly throws me off balance. You'll like the 15-point symmetry. So the 15-point symmetry focuses on unilateral exercise, which I think is what you need.

Yeah, definitely, because I was doing a lot of regular squats and deadlifts for a long time, and I think I need to train unilaterally for a while . Oh yeah. There's nothing wrong with squats, deadlifts, and all that . That's great. I'm coming back. I need to strengthen it. Yes, but you've been doing this for a long time , and on top of that, you know, lifting boxes and moving things, you know, the email says 20 to 25 times a day, you know, a day. Yeah.

Um, or 20 times a day, actually 25 times a day, and you know that involves twisting one leg forward, you have to put it somewhere , you're not doing it perfectly, like a squat with a deadlift, straight the whole time, there's a little movement, and I think that's where you have a problem. Long, awkward lifts because you know you're just taking something off the pallet, and it could be in your butt, and you have to go through these things, and it's just a lot. Long-term, long-term treatment sounds exactly like what these gentlemen prescribed, and then you can move on to MAPS 15, regular MAPS 15, and then.

But as long as you just inject symmetry and constantly use the pinwheel and deactivator, you do it, you do it non-stop before or after work, and then you use Symmetry 15 , and then after Symmetry 15 you switch to MAPS, regular MAPS 15, and you just switch between the two. That, that, that will help you take care of your muscles. Okay . Cool. Yeah. Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah . Yeah, I also wanted to give you a shout out because you're the reason I found Huel. Yeah.

And I really used it a lot last month because I had surgery on both jaws four weeks ago. Oh. Oh [ __ ]. So now I'm drinking fluids and I haven't lost any weight. I'm still keeping the weight off, so cool, man. That's killer. Yeah, stuff. Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah, but it was really nice talking to you guys . A really big fan and I appreciate everything you do. Thanks, bro. We appreciate the support. Thanks, man. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, it's a common, common problem. Yeah. Uh, if I ever hurt my back, it's Huel.

I know. Same thing. Yeah . I've been through that a few times. And it sucks. Really. That, uh, and I'll even do the basics, great. The basic exercise that most fitness people laugh at, dumbbell side bends. Yeah. You know what, it's not really bad strengthening . Yeah. It's not, you know, it's not as dynamic as a windmill, but it's basic, you know, strength training. Stability is key, man. It's you, man, especially when you're lifting things. Yeah. Our next caller is Autumn from Ohio. Hi Autumn. Hi Autumn.

Hi . Hi. How can we help you? I emailed you my question, but the main thing is that I haven't seen any progress in my lower body strength for about two years, I would say. I recently got pretty lean and expected to be stronger because of it, but I haven't seen any progress, especially in squats or most lower body exercises, so I don't know what you think the problem might be. Are you doing a bulking program? I'm not. I'm currently following my own program. Yeah, problem number one.

It's one or two things. So, let's say one or three things. Either you're really, really strong and You're getting to the point where... Are you interested in increasing your squat? I assume. Yes, my squat is the biggest. What does your squat look like? Give me some numbers. The most I've ever done is 245 for six. Okay. Okay. You're really strong. Yes, you're already really damn strong. So gaining more strength will be harder for you than squatting 100 pounds. 240 240 245 for six is ​​really a lot.

Most people can't... Most girls can't even break a personal best in one go. So repeating that six times is an incredible amount. Yes. You're already in the top 1% in strength. Tell me about your nutrition. What's your diet like? I eat mostly whole foods and I eat a lot. I'm very hungry. I have a fast metabolism , so I definitely eat enough. I've been thinking about cutting lately... Because I've gained a lot of body fat, but I have n't started yet. How many calories are you consuming now?

I haven't tracked it in a few years. weeks, but I usually hover around 2800-3000. Okay, that's probably not food, so let's look at the program. Explain your training to me. What does it look like? Right now I do three days for lower body, then one or two days for upper body. And on lower body days, I usually do one or two heavier days, like squats, Bulgarian split squats, something like that . And the second day focuses more on accessory exercises . So two days are heavier compound exercises, one is accessory exercises.

How many sets are you doing in each of these workouts? Count all the sets . Yes, maybe a little. I'd say about 12-15 per workout? Per workout? Yes. Oh yeah. That's a lot. The problem is your program. Overkill. That. Okay. You're doing surprisingly well considering you're doing way too much volume. You need to recover. If you want to get stronger, which tells me you also have good genetics on your side. So how? Would you recommend? Like, how many sets per workout? Uh, okay, let me, let me, let me give you a program.

Yes, I'll pause for a moment. How long have you been listening to us? About two years. Okay. And you really want to get strong. It sounds like this is what you really want to do. Yes. Why didn't you take part in one of our programs? I wanted to. Maybe I'll get one for my birthday; I was planning to, but I just did n't have the money. I'll send you Powerlift. Yes. Yes. Okay. And you'll break some records. Yes. Yes. Okay. Follow the plan. Don't add. Yes, don't add.

Don't add a bunch of stuff to it, Autumn. Don't swap your upper body for your lower body either. Yes . Yes, just do the exact same thing. You'll break personal bests in all your lifts. Yes. I would... I wouldn't diet yet either . Keep your calories at their current level. Yes. Wait until after your powerlifting. If you want to cut, do it after your powerlifting. That's how we'll make gains. So stay there. Go ahead. As for cardio, do you recommend doing nothing? What are you doing now?

Now I'm doing sprints once a week, and then I mostly walk. Walking is perfect. That. You're fine. Stick with it. Yes, you can maintain that. So here's what we'll do. I'll give you powerlifting. And in three months, you'll come back to the program, and I want to hear what happened. Yes. Okay. Okay . Any Any Any Any gains, even in strength, from where you are are amazing, by the way. Because you are, we are, we are, hitting, training, I assume for a while now. This will be the real test.

Okay. Okay, yeah. These are programming issues. two two Was it 245 or 260? 245 out of six. Was that your best ever. Can you do that now, or do you think you can do that now? Last week, like last week, I did 225 out of eight with a belt. Oh, so you're close. Okay, great. Alright, I can't wait to see what happens in a few months. Great. Yeah, I'm excited. Thanks, guys. Maybe you can compete in powerlifting because you have some numbers. Yeah, yeah. Young lady.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes, you do. Maybe. Yeah, you're doing great. Okay, see you in 90 days. Great. Thanks, guys. You're right. Exactly. Transcript. Yeah, you said, [ __ ], 245 sets a week. I'm just throwing that out there casually. 40, like 40-plus sets. Yesterday I did squats. It was 225 for eight. That's it. That's exactly what I did last year. I don't want to overdo it. This is crazy. I was really taking it easy. I was really taking it easy . It hurts like hell after warming up.

That's incredible volume. Yeah, man. And that's why she's not getting stronger. Now I imagine she probably did five for years, I'd say five years pretty consistently. Yeah. And she reached her peak. You know, And the only way to achieve that is to ensure longer recovery. And that points to what's commonly considered... you know, a change in upper body, more emphasis on legs, and... Add more, do more, do more. It doesn't work that way. No, there's a point where you don't just get diminishing returns, you regress.

The fact that she maintains strength at that volume. Oh, I know. Pretty resilient. Well, that also speaks volume to her nutrition. She's at least taking care of her nutrition. What are your predictions for what she 'll be doing at the end? Oh, I don't know, man, I don't know, it's 315. No way, man. Are you kidding me? I think she has her best one-rep max, maybe her best is 245 for six. I think she'll do 265. Two, two, like close to 260 for six. I think she'll stop there.

Yeah, I don't think it's that it's hard to take someone like that and press more. The reason I say that is because she 's so strong, Doing 40 sets a week of legs. I know. Actually, if she did everything she could, and I don't want to tell her this because I want her to stick to our program, that's the best. Just cut it in half. If, hey, hey, I take out one of those days and then cut the sets by a third on the other days, that's growth.

Yes. Her strength will increase significantly. Yes. Yes. It will be interesting to see. I mean, trying to squeeze more out of it will be difficult. I mean, at this stage of her weightlifting career, she'll see that no matter how much weight she gains, it will be amazing. Yes, she'll see gradual gains in strength. And that should be emphasized too. At this stage in her weightlifting career, not only the diet program, but also the rest this week and all the other stressors in your life, you know, I'd like to see, you know, the slightest deviation from any of them could swing her, you know, 10 pounds north or south.

Our next interviewee is Hunter from Utah. Hey, what's up, guys? How are you doing? Oh my god, this isn't real. Hey, I said "confusion." Great. I will read my question. So first I wanted to say hi to Jackie. She is amazing. Okay, so I asked, "What's up?" I sent you a card on the occasion of your graduation. I don't know if you got it. I just finished my studies. But I'm going on a two-year mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Puebla, Mexico, for, um, a week, and I'm really passionate about fitness and I don't want to lose the progress I've made .

But the structure of missions and missionary life makes training a real challenge. Here is my situation. I get 30 to 45 minutes of exercise a day and will be on my feet and walking most of the day. And I have no idea if I'll have access to a gym or any equipment. One thing I do know is that I bring a jump rope for cardio and resistance bands. My question is: what is …The most effective way to build or at least maintain muscle mass is with just 30 minutes a day of training using only your bodyweight as a starting point.

I want a protocol that I can actually follow no matter where I'm assigned, but that I can also scale if I have access to a gym. What would you program? What are your thoughts on structuring something like this, since the interface effect of everyday walking is already in place? Many thanks. I love what you do. Yeah, thanks, man. I would map map 15 with the hanging trainer. Yes. So you can throw it on the tree. Not an advanced plan, but a first one, yes. So, it looks like you probably won't have regular access to a gym.

NO. Yes it's true. I haven't heard anything about the gym. I'll mostly be practicing at home and stuff like that. Map 15 with suspension will be so good because if he has it he will have to take the highway. version. So, map map 15, you do this basically twice a day, every day. Yes. You can do a version with a suspension trainer. Do you know what a suspension trainer is ? Yes, this is something you like That's right . connect and you like to pull and so on, right?

If you have access to a barbell, you can do the barbell version in the same program, as usual. Great. Okay, here's what I'm gonna do because I think when we're done, I want you to send us your email address. I'll send you Mass 15 and I'll send you a suspension trainer. Oh wow. As a graduation gift. Oh, thank you very much. old. Do a good job, man. Okay, just the same email I sent earlier? Yes. Yes, send your address. Thank you very much. Say hey, the guy said he'll send me a suspension trainer.

So you will have everything sorted out. And they pack away super easily. It doesn't take up much space. Okay, you see. Thanks a lot, guys. You are the best. You can do it , man. Yes. Have a nice training year. Be good, man. All right. Yes, go help people. All right. I like how he said "what a mess." What's all the fuss? I thought he said he dropped the "k" bomb. I thought to myself, "Dude, watch your language." And I said, "What's the fuss?" "Well, two years, man.

He'll be there for two years. And that's perfect, Adam. I thought it was about something else. But are you 100% ready? Those are some longer workouts. He and he, okay, maybe he has access to a gym here and there. Sure. And the suspension training machine is great because I like how you can develop it. I mean, you can make it harder. Yeah. Yeah, so he could throw it up a tree. You can do it outside. You can do it anywhere. And yeah, and it's really easy to transport.

It's just one of the tools you can take with you. And any of these programs would work. I personally would follow this protocol. And if I'm lucky and I'm near a gym, I 'll lift weights and stick with it . Otherwise, I'll do suspension training. You'd be surprised how much you can maintain and also gain, you know, with the suspension training machine. Okay, I know you liked this episode. If so, check this out. One of the keys to fat loss is Protein. It's true. If you don't eat a high-protein diet, you won't burn as much body fat as you can.

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