Female Psychopath Explains How She Manipulates Men - Kanika Batra

Key Takeaway

Build a pause between emotional triggers and your response. Today, choose one situation that reliably provokes anger, jealousy, or the urge to retaliate; when it occurs, wait 10 minutes, name the feeling, and take one action aligned with your long-term values instead of seeking immediate relief. The episode’s clearest lesson is that unchecked retaliation can become a reinforcing habit, while deliberate prosocial practices—helping, forgiving, and seeking accountability—create a different trajectory.

Episode Overview

Chris Williamson speaks with Kanika Batra about her diagnosis of antisocial and narcissistic personality disorders, her history of manipulation and retaliation, and the way she says she has learned to function in relationships. The conversation examines empathy, loneliness, dating manipulation, revenge, and Batra’s effort to adopt more prosocial constraints through therapy, her marriage, and Orthodox Christianity.

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Transcript of Female Psychopath Explains How She Manipulates Men - Kanika Batra from Modern Wisdom. Auto-generated from episode audio; may contain minor errors.

You are a diagnosed sociopath. You also say that you are the most manipulative person I will ever meet, and that you are a better liar than anyone else. Why should I believe anything you're telling me now? Well , I don't have much to lose by lying. People know who I am. People know that I can manipulate in many different ways. It's just an idea: I understand that you are a certain type of person, and I know how to deal with any type of person. But I can have my diagnosis verified by independent sources like Business Insider .

Why should I believe anything you tell me in the next few hours ? Why don't you just manipulate yourself throughout the entire conversation? Because I'm removing the mask, okay? I'm removing the mask. I've done it before . I will do it again. I'll tell you everything raw and unfiltered , and then you can simply cut out anything you don't like. That sounds good to me. Should I be afraid of you? Absolutely not. I am 1.55 meters tall. What am I supposed to say by that? I do n't know what to do.

That's fair. That's fair. OK. So, what is a sociopath? What is your specific diagnosis? So, I was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder as well as narcissistic personality disorder , and I fit the profile that my psychiatrist expects of a psychopath with a factor of one. Because psychopathy actually stems from narcissism. So, the eloquence, the superficial charm, the ability to basically jump from one job to another, the ability to lie pathologically, all that, and to be very great. These are all very narcissistic traits. Here, then, psychopaths are divided into factor one and factor two.

Factor one is primary psychopathy. This is basically your running engine. Factor two is that you cause a lot of problems for society. It's like the rather antisocial normative behavior. So, it's like, you know, skipping school, stealing, lying to people, committing crimes that land you in jail, all the reckless things we tend to do . Mhm. So I'm more inclined to think it's factor one, because I had a brain scan and my amygdala didn't light up. She simply doesn't. So I know what people feel. I'll just never feel it.

And I know how to mimic an appropriate reaction , something they would want to see . For example, if someone has died, like my friend last week. I can cry on command. So I can just go to the funeral and cry . You seem desperate because of that . Oh, that's me. I only knew her for about four years. That's quite a long time for many people. Friendships are long-lasting. Okay, tell me something about the DSM. Sociopath is not a diagnosis. It is more of a colloquial term for an antisocial personality disorder.

I wanted to explain this because everyone always tells me: "Sociopaths do n't really exist" or "I thought you were a sociopath, and then you said psychopath." Okay, antisocial personality disorder is one of the foundations of psychopathy, factor one and factor two. Factor one is therefore completely anxious and shows no fear response, which applies to me. Factor two is that they become very anxious, very violent and aggressive, have no conscience and cannot feel guilt for anything they have done, but they are quick-tempered, while I am basically cold.

I can plan for months if I want to achieve something. If you say, in factor two, that they explode if you say anything they find offensive, they will become more impulsive. They become more impulsive. Yes, much more impulsive, much more chaotic, they are more likely to end up in prison? Interesting. More dangerous or less dangerous? That depends, because a psychopath with a factor of one, let's say , I don't know. A good portrayal would be Hannibal Lecter. In my opinion, he is a minor threat. But more eerie than frightening.

Exactly . Factor one is therefore terrifying. Factor two is that this guy is about to set me on fire . What about antisocial personality disorder? What is it made of? Antisocial. The basic characteristics needed are a lack of remorse, a lack of guilt, and a lack of empathy. One must commit antisocial crimes. In other words, anti-social norms. This can include injuring animals, children, or other people in the vicinity. These are, so to speak, the hallmarks of an antisocial personality. And when you combine and bring together antisocial and narcissistic traits, you either get a malignant narcissist or a kind of psychopath who will completely ruin your life .

Mhm. What was your childhood like? Uh, she was fine. I witnessed a lot of domestic violence in the past. My father was aggressive towards my mother and my brother. My father never treated me badly . He bought me everything I wanted. He basically never said no to me. We had just flown from New Zealand to Australia , and I was about five when I said I wanted a particular Barbie doll. And he ran three kilometers to get her. Even though he had jet lag, you know, we had to pack all our things and move.

So that was something I had. My mother also beat me, because... Did Dad beat Mom and Mom beat you? Yes . But that didn't bother me, because I believe that was the kind of discipline I needed. Because I was a nuisance. I was an absolute nuisance. I skipped school. I lied. I stole. I have physically injured people. I have also harmed other children . Mostly people my age. For example, I pushed a girl down the stairs and she broke her leg in three different places. Um, and then I made sure she was suspended because I said she had made a racist claim , which she hadn't, but she was the kind of person you might think would say something like that.

How old were you? 14. Yes, well, I had a behavioral disorder from an early age and I had callous and unemotional traits. Mhm. Um, that's probably why I got antisocial personality disorder. This is a preliminary stage of that. But I would say that for the rest of my childhood, I also had thalassemia. This is a blood disorder in which my bone marrow cannot produce its own red blood cells. Therefore, I had to receive a transfusion every three to four weeks. And that's why I constantly received so much attention .

There were always people around me making sure I was okay, so you know I wasn't sick. I was, so to speak, the center of attention. Not necessarily for a reason one would wish for , but you still get a lot of attention. And also because of that, um, I should also mention that I modeled as a child. So I also received a lot of validation as a result. So I always received confirmation from everyone around me . Not just for things, but always for the things I do, not for me as a person.

Mhm. I believe that has shaped my view of things and how I approach everything in a very transactional way. When did you realize you were different ? Probably at four or five years old. How did you notice that? I simply couldn't understand why people looked so happy and how they could be friends with each other if they weren't actually doing anything . I couldn't understand what could be so attractive about a person and why I wanted to be friends with her . I was somehow forced to get along with other people , for example on my fourth or third birthday.

I had a friend who was a really fat girl, and I said to my mother, "Don't let her ride my new Barbie bike." It's too thick and it will break . And she let her use the Barbie bike and it broke. I'm just saying . But apart from that, I wondered , what are people like, how do people normally react to things? What's wrong with me? It simply started to crystallize more around 10/11. It simply felt as if there was this glass wall between me and other people.

I can watch you. I can study what you do. I can see what makes you successful. And I will emulate that. But I will never feel it. I will never understand what real guilt feels like. Mhm. I will not feel what regret feels like. I have never been afraid a single day in my life. Mhm. What led you to believe that sociopaths are born or made? So, I believe that Factor One psychopaths are actually born. And Factor Two psychopaths, I know they tend to refer to Factor One as psychopaths and Factor Two as sociopaths, but that's an inaccurate term.

Regarding factor two, I would say that this happens when you are personally affected . You are currently affected. Why? Because that happens after abuse. This usually happens in a home marked by abuse. So they experience all this instability , they experience domestic violence. You see, this is the way to gain power in life—physical strength and full control over another person. And this is so overwhelming for them that they resort to violent crimes because of it. And I think that both of us, Factor One and Factor Two, are equally affected by loneliness.

So we forward this information to them in slightly different ways. Is there a history of mental illness or anything like that in your family ? I would say that my paternal side is extremely psychopathic . I know there was someone on my mother's side who... Is there anyone worse than you? Yes . Okay, that's a pretty dark story. My aunt had premarital sex at 17 with a guy who had promised to marry her. He refused to marry her, and because this brought her into disrepute, the people in the family were not very happy with her.

She was found burned on a stove . She had third-degree burns all over her body. She asked to be buried in a red sari . She was not buried, but as she fought for her life in the hospital, she asked for a red sari because she believed she would marry the guy she had slept with. What is a red sari? So, you would wear something like that to a wedding. A sari, like the Indian one. Yes. And yes, she asked for it. And I asked my father because I didn't even know that had happened .

Burnt on a stove? Yes, her head was placed on the stove. And then they poured kerosene over her, for the rest. Who did that? My grandfather. Because she had sex? Yes . Before marriage? To marry her. Yes. So she is stained. Did she survive? No, she's dead. I didn't know she existed. I once saw a photo of four small children at my father's house, in an old box. And I thought to myself, " Okay, but you have two siblings. Who are the others? Which one are you?

" He said, "No, this is Raju and this is Baby." And Baby was the one who was killed, and she was only 17. Raju died, I believe, from a kidney disease. Mhm. Okay, yes. This could be a little bit about the backstory. Yes, and the crazy thing is on my mother's side . My uncle married five times , to different women, cheated on them all, took all their money, robbed them of all their happiness and their sanity. And then he sold my grandparents' house, which is very, very valuable, to three different people.

So he took money from three different people and fled to America . If he ever sets foot on Indian soil again, he will be arrested. She cheated on all five women. The house has been sold. And now he is married to his childhood sweetheart . You see, after all that, there can be no happy ending. What do you think it was like for your parents to grow up with you ? My mother always called me Shaitan, which is Satan in Hindi. OK. Yes, everyone probably needs a cute nickname.

I think so. Um , yes, she called me Shaitan. They had problems with me from an early age because I attacked other children . And so they asked me, "Oh, what 's wrong with you?" And I said, " I don't know. If I knew, I wouldn't be in this situation." What did that look like? It was probably because I hurt all the children. You can't always talk about that, but I would say that apart from pushing the girl down the stairs , I've burned people and done quite a few other things.

And my parents often had to cover for me. So that was a problem. But because I was so good at school , the teachers were always on my side. Everything was fine for me . And yes, but my mother always called me Satan. My father said, my father calls me Guria, which means little doll. And I received endless affection from my father because my first word was Papa. And yes. Mhm. So. Do you think that the tensions between the father, who seems to spoil and empower me, and the mother , who applies discipline, lead to more tensions?

Yes, I would say so, because whenever I cried or caused stress in the family, my father always took my side . That meant he had an argument with my mother. And I suppose I often used that as a weapon. Mhm. This created a kind of triangulation that I didn't know existed at the time . I thought to myself, “I don’t know, seven, eight, nine.” When did it become most extreme or intense? I don't know it. At least you haven't gotten in here yet , you haven't attacked or burned anyone, or, you know, I think you're married now.

You have a husband who went with you. This seems relatively domesticated compared to the person we hear about from our childhood . Yes . If you track over time when the intensity of this dissatisfaction was greatest, then yes. Yes Yes Yes. Please tell me the timeline, where it arrived and where it subsided . In any case. I would say the worst outburst was in my youth until my early 20s. I stole from people, including my parents. I was very violent in high school. I didn't just cause physical damage, such as pushing a girl off her stool every morning.

The stools were quite high. They're here in the lab, and I've been throwing them down every day . Her legs were completely blue. I also sabotaged friends who I thought were more successful than me. Or I would get really angry if someone said I wasn't as intelligent as I thought, based on my grades. This led to fights and me pulling people's hair. But as you said, you are 1.55 meters tall. I know, but you were probably smaller back then too. I was already 1.55 meters tall back then, ever since I was 12.

OK. Okay, cool. Yes, so yes. Yes, but fortunately other women, as well as other female children, are easy to eliminate if you know what you're after . If you aim at the eyes, the neck, specific body parts – regardless of your clothing size. You sound like the new New Zealand Bas Rutten, if you know who that is. That guy from the damn UFC. Oh. Come on. Yes, that's brilliant. Um. That was bad. But then, when I was in my early 20s, it turned into fraud. I stole people's credit cards .

I organized a competition with my girlfriend, who I also believe has an antisocial personality, to see what we could steal from different shops . Um, and that was actually quite a lot. I was quite mean to people. For example, I broke up with them on their birthdays . I always created drama by badmouthing her character because I'm very good at that. But because I've changed a little, because I've seen a psychiatrist. When I received the diagnosis, did you want to know more about it? OK. I was diagnosed at 21 after I attempted suicide.

I had migraines every day and thought, I don't want to live with this pain every day. The doctors didn't take me seriously. My family doctor told me not to call anymore, and my neurologist said it wasn't a big deal. I said, “Yes, for you it’s no big deal, brother. You do n’t have to accept it.” I thought to myself, "Okay, screw it. I'll just go for it ." I took the pills, woke up in the hospital, and realized I had failed. I was disappointed by that.

What have you done ? What did you try to do? I took 15 Endep tablets. So, 15 Amitriptyline, which is truly lethal. I don't know what happened. Um, and then I woke up and they said, " Do you want to be treated as an inpatient or as an outpatient ?" And I said, " Yes, outpatient. I'm not going in there. I'm sorry." And when I went there , I was examined by a forensic psychiatrist for over 16 months. I was actually on television with him once.

Um, and he told me that I have antisocial personality disorder. He said that I have a narcissistic personality disorder. He talked to me about how to...Oh yes, I forgot to mention that . He also worked in prisons . So he tried to dissuade me from criminal activities by telling me specific stories about the women and how they are treated in that prison. So he said, "You will not..." He was n't trying to do it from a moral standpoint. He did it out of a sense of purpose: "You will suffer.

You will... More usefulness." Yes, usefulness. That's exactly the right word. That's exactly how he spoke to me . And probably the conversation with him made me a little more quick- witted, a little better at spreading charm. Why? Because he taught me how to talk to people I didn't know. I have weaponized this type of language and imitated it. I am very good at imitating people. I can reflect them well and give the right answers . He taught me some of the correct answers that I didn't know yet.

So he is trying to explain the situation to you , to explain your diagnosis to this 21- year-old person who has been struggling with it for as long as they can remember. But basically, he's presenting you with a plan for how other people proceed. Exactly . Which you then take and use. Exactly . Okay, that's interesting. A specific language for that. That was very helpful, but which specific language? So, you know, if someone is going through something like that, or if you yourself are experiencing great pain in your life, then it's enough to simply say: "I understand what you're going through.

I really feel it . I can't believe this is happening to you. You mean so much to me. " Mhm. And then just the tears. And yes . Interesting. That's generally what I would do . The idea of ​​a P-Zombie? Have you heard about it? No I haven't. Zombie. So it's a thought experiment. I think people are also accusing AI of that. She can do all these things. Imagine you had a person who looks like a human, walks and talks like a human, performs all actions and reacts like a human, but there is no motivation in him.

No. That's not quite the same, because there are motivations. It's just that the motivations are more contrived. Yes . With you, but it's kind of P-Zombie- like. Yes a little. That actually makes sense. Okay, what emotions are you feeling? I feel all emotions, except that I don't think empathy counts as an emotion. So I would say that the fleeting emotions are joy, happiness, and pride in myself. All positive things last a very long time . Anything negative, such as anger, contempt, or anything that borders on wrath, persists for a while.

That's really frustrating, because you think to yourself: Why couldn't you give me more of the good things? Why do I feel the bad things? I do n't know. Why is there no psychotherapy for positive emotions? Yes, well, it's the people who walk around in bliss all the time, remembering all the beautiful things. Yes . And the problem is that these are two different areas of the brain. One of the statements is: "Yes, you should feel like crap all the time." And then you think to yourself: "I'll give you 5 seconds today to have fun." And then you think to yourself: "Why are you doing this to me?" Tell me if this sounds familiar.

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I really don't like that. I ca n't cope with boredom at all. You said you don't believe empathy is an emotion. No. But something like guilt, I think, would almost certainly...guilt is. The reason guilt exists is to provide a means of identification. It's a self-identification from your system to tell you that there's an imbalance between you and something or someone else, that I've taken too much from this situation . You can imagine why this would be necessary in a tribe , that you need to make sure everyone else sees you positively .

And if you are the person who always takes food and never gives, you should feel guilty, because that is an early warning sign that other people will no longer like you at some point in the future. That's where the transactional aspect comes from. But for you, guilt is interesting. I didn't know that. So , as I see it, guilt is a social conditioning emotion that is generally useless, because what can I do about the things I did 20 years ago? Will I apologize and will this be fixed?

No, it won't. I guess that's why I've burned many bridges, but it's simply something I don't feel. It's as if I'm living in the present. If it's not in the present, it doesn't matter. Well , you say you live in the present , but you may spend a lot of time planning and thinking up ways to get back at others . To a certain extent, this is a life in the future. Yes . OK. I've been asked that before. Basically, I deal with people on a daily basis in my everyday life .

I coach many people. They want to be merciless, so they somehow find their way to me. And so they come to me and say, "Make me less emotional." "Well, at that point, I tell them exactly how I feel and what I'm doing. But if someone has wronged me, it stays in my mind until it's dealt with. So there was a group of 1,200 women on Reddit who posted pictures of me. They said I should let myself get raped again . They gave my address to the rapist.

They commented on everything that was wrong with my appearance, which was really crazy. Then when I found out that certain people were part of this group, I realized that justice had to be served. So I plan to ruin one of their birthdays every year . So far, I've ruined three years . What have you done? I sent a pig's head to her door. I sent the police to check on her well-being . I sent a mariachi band to come at 6:00 a.m. I sent the Jehovah's Witnesses.

And next time, I'm going to send the Mormons." Well, that was by far the worst of everything. Um, she was shocked by the pig on the cake . I'm not going to lie. You said you were sorry. And I don't know if you saw The Help, but Minny makes this really special cake for her old boss. And let's just say, there's feces in it. Luckily, it was outsourced because I couldn't do something like that, but it was delivered to her house, and I hope she ate it.

And that's a person? Yes. And that was the leader of that Reddit group. Yes. That was the one you said was some kind of attack on you. Exactly. What was their problem with you ? Uh, I think it was just... I do n't know. There was a leaked video or non-video audio, and it was n't real. It was just a compilation of my words from different clips , and they were like, "Oh, she's such a fanatic. Oh, she's such a..." You know, piece of [ __ ].

"All that stuff. You had a fight? Racism. Right, okay. Yes. Okay. So, and I said, ' And what is your background? Indian? Indian.'" Correct. Yes, I said, "I didn't say that . I've never said that. " " Interesting. Yes, and then also because Sam posted a few things on Twitter. That's your husband? Yes. Yes. He posted things on Twitter about, um, Virginia Giuffre, and he just portrayed Jeffrey Epstein as a person. Yes. Yes. So he pointed out some inconsistencies in the stories, and then they blamed me for that.

So I was supposed to be kind of the scapegoat or something. I don't know. They sort of set me up as a stand-in for it . I would be constantly attacked. Hmm. Are they still around? I mean, we deleted the Reddit post, which is great, but what else is interesting from an emotional point of view? I realize that a lot of this must be like me talking about what it's like to be Harry Potter and the Wizard. So it's very hypothetical, right? But I imagine you've thought about it for quite a while, not just so you can manipulate other people , but so that you can at least function reasonably well in the world.

What's the difference between your experience and other people's? What else is there to say? What do you think are the other big differences in how you experience a day, in terms of your feelings? Yes, emotions, how I behave. Things I don't feel as strongly. If something happens and it's a great thing, like doing a podcast with you, I think afterwards, "Damn, that was fun ." Or: "Damn, this will be cool when it comes out." That takes about 20 minutes. And then I see someone say something annoying on Instagram, and I think to myself, "Should this person be attacked later or not?" And then I'll go through the whole thing .

But recently I found Christianity through Charlie Kirk. And that has radically changed much of what I do. So, yes, people don't like to talk about religion or politics. And I am a conservative who has been conservative all my life, and I love Charlie Kirk. They don't like religion either . How did this happen? I loved Charlie Kirk very much when he died . Before he died? Yes Yes Yes. I loved him so much . I loved everything he said . I loved how friendly he was.

I loved him the way he was. He was the true epitome of masculinity, if there ever was one. It seems surprising that you would admire someone who is kind, considering that he is the good person that I cannot be. And then, when he was taken from this world, I realized that there is nothing good in the world. Mhm. What was the lesson you learned from that ? Well , first of all, how cruel and repulsive people are. And if I, as a psychopath, have more morals than you, then that says something.

And then I saw how these people were just mocking his death, and that became a trend on TikTok. And I thought to myself, he was a damn man, man. He is a human being. He was 31. Mhm. That just made me angry. And I mourned him more than anyone else in my life. Life, including my family. My grandfather died before my eyes, not the one who burned his daughter . He died before my eyes when I was 10 years old. So, these " no-no" feelings. Nothing at all.

The other great-grandparents died, no feelings. Friends died, no feelings. But I cried every day during Charlie Kirk. That made no sense. Mhm. Is that strange? Is this a strange situation for you? That's her. It's because I do n't know if there's another kind of such strong masculinity that isn't just plain nasty. Do you know what i mean? The way he spoke about women was also remarkable; he was always very gentle with women. He didn't yell at her . He did nothing. He was calm. He led them.

He took care of them. He protected her. Hmm. And so he did it in this way. And we disagree on some beliefs, but we all disagree on our beliefs. And your conversion to Christianity happened after Charlie's death. Yes . So I decided to follow the urge , because my parents are Christians and I consciously chose not to become a Christian myself . So I read the Bible properly, meaning in context and so on. And I found that Orthodox Christianity really appealed to me. And I think it's great that it's a hospital .

They see it as a hospital and not a courtroom, which is really nice, because if you've been called a bad person your whole life , you want someone to say, "No, you can say yes." Do you think you are a bad person? No. Why? Because I used my skills to help people. Initially, I hurt many people, but over time I built my platform and helped women escape domestic violence . I helped them recover from sexual trauma. I helped them take control of their own lives .

And so I simply felt that this was something positive I could do to balance out the bad things. And perhaps there is a little penance to be done , yes, just as it all sounds the first time . Decades of life. I am interested in this turn to Christianity because one of its key points is to turn the other cheek . That's my biggest problem. You, as someone who ... You said that you love revenge. Yes . Why? Because I believe in the principle of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

If you are ready and willing to make me feel bad, you should expect the same to happen to you . Recently, for example, an ugly girl commented on my video and said: "Oh, you don't weigh 40 kilos, but more like 62. " And you lose your attractiveness. You need to use your head a little. And I said, " Listen, you [ __ ]. I weigh 40 kilos . If you want to look at the scale , you can." And then I just said: "If you think you should be making comments, then in my opinion you have n't looked in a mirror for a very, very long time ." And that's why I have my best friends, who are also kind of smitten with me.

So if you're willing to try it, you can yell at me, because I had an eating disorder as a child. And that's exactly what happened in the group. They kept trying to call me fat so I would relapse into an eating disorder. Yes, those damned women, I swear to God. Um, yeah, so I tell her to go to the gym. You can see the fat deposits on her face. And she says: "I weigh exactly 40 kilos." What ? What's the most extreme thing you've ever done to get revenge on someone ?

Oh, okay. So, there was a girl with whom I participated in competitions . She won a competition and went to international competitions and somehow, she came back . We did Miss World together and she was super arrogant and really, really rude. She often got on my nerves. So she said that certain races are not allowed to participate, certain people are not allowed to participate, little girls are not allowed. And I thought to myself, "Okay, it's time for this [ __ ] to learn a lesson." So I deleted all the controversial things I had said .

I recorded everything on the screen . And then I sent it to every single girl she had insulted. I sent it to the head of the beauty pageant, who immediately kicked her out of the competition because she was a liability at that time . They kicked her out and it was her last year actually competing because she was too old. She was therefore no longer able to participate, and that gave me the greatest satisfaction. If you say that someone like me shouldn't participate, you'll never participate.

And so she was completely kicked out, and then I decided to go one step further. I contacted Miss Venezuela, and Miss Venezuela has millions of fans. And luckily, this woman was mean enough to tell me that she made Miss Venezuela oversleep and miss the preliminary round. And that's why I told her that she deliberately didn't let you leave . And then I think all of Venezuela, which is so crazy about beauty pageants, turned against this girl. She left so many hateful comments over several months that she had to withdraw.

And then she hired a lawyer. Let's say she works in retail. She would have needed hours and hours and weeks to earn enough money to hire a lawyer to send me a cease and desist letter. I replied: "Lol." Because if she actually had something against me and had the means to sue me, she would have done so . She would not have given me a cease and desist letter. And that's because she said mean things to you. Yes . And made racist comments and so on.

That's all. Yes. You have managed to turn all of Venezuela against this person. Yes . OK. Have you ever been to prison? No, sir. You have certainly done some things that could have landed you in prison. Absolutely. But people would n't believe it. People are n't looking at me. Would you think that I do anything I do? You wouldn't do that. And I'm generally quite intelligent. Yes, I scored 138 points and I will never take another test if the result is lower, because I couldn't live with that shame.

Based on some of the things you mentioned, it seems as if I weigh 40 kilos, I promise. My IQ is 138. I do n't want to have it tested again in case it drops again. You feel a bit sensitive when people say, "What's wrong with your age? Whatever. " It feels like a question of status and prestige, competence, reputation. It feels like this is a core. It's part of what one desires. Is that right? Absolutely. I think that comes from narcissism. Whereas ASPD or psychopathy is more like the machine in my brain that tells me to slow down and do it in a way that doesn't harm me.

That's an interesting perspective. One is an engine and the other is a brake pedal. Exactly . Exactly. That's how I see it. I hate narcissism. I will not lie. I wish I could just not worry about other people saying they are better than me. I wish I could say that. I wish I could actually be in a position where looks, intelligence, value, and status weren't so important to me. Mhm. But I have the feeling that these are objective standards that have proven their worth . For example, if you participate in a beauty contest, there is a certain level of beauty that you have achieved.

If you do extremely well in 12th grade , which was the case for me, then you are intelligent. If you have a truly quantifiable IQ score that shows you are not stupid. So if someone says that these things are not true, or accuses me of having a fake nose because it is too small, or of having breast implants, then it is as if that were my genetic superiority. And then they try to say that I'm a normal person who had to pay for it. And that makes me so angry.

And that's why my psychiatrist said we need to separate you from these things, because it's going to get really, really bad as you get older. For example, if... My parents look really good. Yes, that will definitely happen. Yes, that will happen. But my parents are you? I'm 30. Cool. Did you ever want to kill something? Yes . What ? People. OK. Yes . How did that go? Um, not so good yet, because I have a lot of people around me who would prevent that. But I would plan it over a long period of time.

There are a few people like that, for example in this stalker group. The Reddit thing. Yes Yes Yes. I would definitely just skin them if I could. Myself physically, like Katherine Knight. Who is this? Uh, she's an Australian, the first woman to get life imprisonment without parole because in the end...she killed her boyfriend because he didn't want to get married. And she must have stabbed him a hundred times. Then she skinned him, as if wearing a full-body suit, and hung him on the door. And then she cut off his head and...

sorry. Um, it was on the stove and she cut off its meaty parts and cooked it. And she wanted to serve them to his children . And they probably weren't her children. Yes . Correct. And then she took some benzodiazepines and fell asleep and tried to pretend she had overdosed. But I feel that some of these people deserve it for the hell they put me through, especially because I was close to death in the Maldives . I did not receive a blood transfusion . My hemoglobin level was so low and my oxygen saturation was so low that I was close to death.

And these [ __ ] had the audacity to plan this and write an open letter to Kanika Batra. If you don't do this and that and that and the other thing, we will destroy your life. We will scour every part of your comment section, which they do. We will send you terrible emails. We will try to give you bad reviews for your book, even though I know it's good, although most people, I think I will be an individual who says it's bad. And if you can treat me like that, you do n't deserve to be on this planet .

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Right now you can get the brand new Whoop 5.0 and the 30-day free trial by clicking the link in the description below or by going to join.whoop.com/modernwisdom. This is join.whoop.com/modernwisdom. That 's so interesting. As you speak, I sense within me the balance between wanting to express my sympathy for what you've been through , because it sounds terrible to be on the brink of death in the Maldives, and the absolute knowledge that you felt little more than anger, resentment, and bitterness . That's very strange. Obviously, it's because you're explaining that so much is happening.

I wonder why it's so interesting to feel compassion for someone who doesn't feel guilty? A calculation equation that I have to try to solve in my head . I mean, it's mean and terrible for anyone going through something like that , but this person is n't reacting normally either. That 's very interesting, and I can still feel it rising up inside me. Um, okay, so you think you'd kill someone if you got away with that ? OK. I heard you talk about freedom, about not wanting to risk one's freedom.

Yes . That 's a big part of it. Is that the most important utilitarian reason, I would say? The probability is high. So, if you had the ability to do that? Yes . I mean, if I had the privilege of being able to do it like Ted Bundy . I can actually identify very strongly with Ted Bundy, not because of the killing incident, not at all. But he had the same kind of...I listened to him talk for hours , and he had a lot of word salads.

But when he actually talks about his experiences, such as when he didn't know how to talk to people and how people would interact with each other. He used to listen to talk shows on the radio to understand how real conversations work and how they should go, because for him, of course, they didn't go. And then he talked about the same kind of depression I have, where there is never any deep sadness. It's simply that feeling of being unable to do anything, and you just lie there.

Flat. Flat. Simply flat. There's nothing that can get you out of that. And that's something I can really identify with. Depression without sadness. Yes, in the truest sense of the word. It is literally a depression without the sadness. What was it like when you first started listening to Ted Bundy? That was the first thing you noticed, and then how difficult it was for him to make friends because he couldn't understand why people found what he did repulsive. He set up cages , traps in the forest, or trapdoors that were closed with sticks or similar objects .

People fell in and got hurt because they were like a bear trap. He couldn't understand why that was bad and why people hated him for it. I couldn't understand why people hated me for it. Because I had n't planned it or anything. It just happened. And then there was the way his family treated him. They called him evil even when he was just a child. I do n't believe that children are inherently evil. When it really hit him , he realized that he had a white girlfriend, Diana Edwards, as she is now called, and that she had left him.

He was so angry about that because he had worked his way up to become this guy who studied at university and had already achieved quite a bit . And the revenge he got afterwards was to lead her on for a whole year , then plan a wedding and then simply stop writing to her. He stopped communicating with her. She was furious and called him. She asked : "Why are you doing that?" And he said, "I don't know what you're talking about. " And he hung up, and she never heard from him again.

I liked the idea that it was revenge, but also how he switched back and forth at university , getting different degrees. I did that too . Um, he never really had a steady job. I had stable jobs, but I just get bored after a month or two and then I leave. It would be different if I had my own show and worked in conservative media. That has always interested me. And he went straight into politics . I went straight into politics . On my 16th birthday, I joined my conservative party , the Liberal Party in Australia.

I joined when I was 16. I was vice president at 19. So he was there to meet wealthier people. I, on the other hand, only did it because I carry a lot of anger inside me and have the ability to intrigue and plan things. And in politics, you get rewarded for that. Every kind of bravery is rewarded. For example, I had a friend who cheated on his mother . I don't want to go into detail, but he betrayed his own mother to be in the faction .

There, one can flourish, one's sadism can flourish, without having to go to prison for it. Mhm. And he took advantage of that. You wrote a book that featured Ted, right? Yes . Yes. That was a fictional novel. It was about a female serial killer. There definitely seem to be analogies between the female protagonist and you. Yes, people say that all the time. I think to myself, "No, she is much better than me." Do you mean more competent in what she does ? Let 's say more competent, more attractive, richer.

Wouldn't that be the ideal version of me? No, because there are many things she does that I can't do. For example, their promiscuity. Promiscuity really disgusts me. That's why I'm reacting so strongly. I don't know why, but when I... It's hard to see someone as a person when they do really vulgar things. I suppose that's because I grew up in such a conservative household that something like that is seen as very degenerate. I have a video for you to react to. Gladly. Let's upload this, Mark.

Rodney Alcala! Do n't say it like that. This is perhaps the creepiest episode of The Dating Game, because this bachelor looking for love in 1978 is actually a serial killer. I'm called Banana and I look really good. No one had any idea that Rodney Alcala had already started his killing spree when he appeared on the popular dating show. He was a really creepy guy, a real idiot. Jed Mills was bachelor number two and almost 40 years later this encounter still haunts him. This creep comes up to me, practically holds his face in front of mine and says: "I always get the girl." When I think about what he said: "I always get my girl." He kills her.

That's what he means. When is your best time? The best time is at night, at night. Why do you say that the Bachelorette chose him despite his behavior on The Dating Game , but never went out with him , because she supposedly found him creepy? Luckily for her, Alcala was later found guilty of seven murders. Investigators believe he may have killed up to 130 victims, based on photos found on his property. Why did you react that way when you saw him? Um, he's just someone I find really fascinating because, um, I actually saw a documentary about him about a year ago, and it was really crazy what kind of achievement he got away with.

Furthermore, his eyes are so demonic. It's easy to see that there's nothing behind it. There 's absolutely no soul in it. And you can see his contempt for women. And if you look closely, there's no Duchenne smile. So, if... what is it? So, if it's a genuine smile, you can see it up here too. There are wrinkles. She...He's staying right here. And so he is not real at all. When you look at his eyes: Oh, wow. Yes, there's nothing there. And if you actually muted and played the video, you can see the micro-expressions in his face that show he takes pleasure in deceiving someone.

That's interesting. So, your ability to convince someone of something you are not is in itself worthwhile. I would say yes. What's your dating history? I have always been a serial monogamist. So I don't think that sexual activities or anything like that should take place outside of a serious relationship , ideally marriage, but a serious relationship is also sufficient in this society. And that's why I mainly date, because I'm bisexual, but I have a number of different people I would go out with and I would then specifically unsubscribe from them.

Basically, I would limit myself to the person I wanted. OK. And then, with them, it's fantastic to have someone, but I could never take off the mask for any of them because I could n't be completely myself. And it's very tiring when you have to wear this mask constantly and know that there will be consequences if you don't. What happens when you do n't wear a mask in a relationship? It can get pretty ugly. I still get angry often. And although I can handle it better now, I still get very, very frustrated with the people around me when they don't do the right thing and don't support me immediately or do things like that.

I cannot honestly tell them about my actions because it is simply too much to comprehend. There's an article I often mention: "The Hidden Suffering of the Psychopath". This shows how lonely psychopaths become, even when they are with several people. Even Ted says that they believe psychopaths can feel grief and love and so on. The problem is that loneliness and this gap between you and other people can turn you into someone who uses violence. That wasn't what made me who I am, but I knew I couldn't really show people who I am outside of the social spheres where they experience me.

As if they did n't...As if everyone always says: "You do n't seem like a psychopath and you do n't seem like you have this and that and the other thing." And then they think: "If I told you what I really think, you would probably think differently." So that 's the problem I have, and besides, I'm really fed up with these people. If they are too demanding and constantly text and call me. Then I think to myself, "Why don't you find another job?" Because if you have so much time and want to spend all day on the phone, then I have something to do too.

I can't cope with this attachment , but I also can't really cope with this indifference. You have to find that happy balance, and believe me, it was very difficult to find. I heard you say that after three months you despise most partners . Yes . What was going on? I think I would start to see them as the real person they are, and not as the fantasy I have projected onto them. Sometimes I tend to put people on a pedestal . I also really love giving gifts and showering them with love.

I do that quite naturally. It's not necessarily planned. So I love doing all of this . And then they become addicted to it and start to become really, really obsessive. They then say: “Oh, okay. Why don’t you call me more often? Oh, are you meeting up with other people? You need to meet up with other people.” And then there's this contempt, as if I had to deal with this being. I need to take care of it and do something nice for it. And it's as if it only weighs the pros and cons.

But you want to do it on your terms , because you want to shower her with love when you want to. Exactly . Exactly. But you don't want to do it if they want you to. No. No. That's partly it, I would say, but I would also say it's simply overwhelming because my inner system is flattened. It 's completely flat. In other people, however, the values ​​rise and fall again, and I don't have time for that. I do n't want to deal with that. That's why I would never date or be truly friends with someone who has borderline personality disorder , because they have an extreme problem with abandonment.

I once had someone who literally texted me five times an hour because I didn't reply or my tone of voice sounded wrong. And I just thought to myself, "Oh, I still have important things to do." For example, she threatened suicide every weekend . So I had to call the ambulance service and tell them that she had cut her wrists. That was so frustrating. She cried constantly. And I thought to myself, "I can't deal with this. This isn't my problem. I'm just fed up." Mhm. Well, it's kind of your problem if you're in a relationship with someone , isn't it?

Because you want this person to be there for you when you need them. You have great respect and are grateful for your girlfriend who stayed up until 4:00 in the morning. Absolutely. But if your partner tried to take her own life or threatened to do so, then that was a burden for you. Well, she did it every weekend. That's the problem. If she's done it once every 6 months, that's okay. But there were many other things as well. She had a drinking problem. She expected me to pay for everything.

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I started especially when the Red Pill podcast was still around and everyone was trying to belittle and humiliate women; to tell them that they are nothing special; to tell them that this advice was literally on par with the infographics on domestic violence; So the isolation, the gaslighting, the triangulation, making her feel crazy. I know how it works because I've done it before . So I thought to myself, I have all these women who are suddenly like me and have so many problems . They email me every day saying, "Oh, I have this .

I have this. Please help me . Nobody else can help me." And I guess because I sometimes come across as ruthless and sometimes very friendly, they get the impression that I care about what they're dealing with . Well, only once, I think. Only once. It was a terrible situation. It's interesting because this topic is obviously very important to you, but you don't care about the people who are going through it . It's as if symbolic injustice is important to you. Yes . But not the human side.

Exactly . Furthermore, I noticed during the course of our conversation that the power of men over women is a great source of irritation for you, especially the manipulative power of men over women. This is something that shouldn't happen. Perhaps the story, the abuse, the assaults, perhaps also the fact that one sees the father with the mother. Have you tried to find out where this evangelistic message comes from, that men shouldn't manipulate women? I mean, everyone should be able to agree that this is bad, but for you it has a different meaning.

Absolutely. Indian culture is, of course, very patriarchal. Men have the last word in everything. When I was 13, my mother said it was time for me to learn to cook. I said, "Sure, will my brother learn that too?" And she said, " No, you're a girl. You do it ." And I said, "Screw it. I'm not going to do this." I thought to myself, "No, I'm not playing that game. " I witnessed the dynamics online . I was on the victim side myself. I would destroy anyone who doesn't throw eggs at me .

Yes, that happened often. In a casino once, a guy said, "Yeah, you're hot, but not that hot. I mean, I wouldn't normally go for someone like you . " I said, "Look, you're 5'6" and fat. Nobody wants you . Especially not me." Um, but yeah, I feel like I have a soft spot for women who are abused, but everyone except the one guy who messaged me, everyone else who's ever been good to me, has been a man. And everyone who's caused me stress or any kind of struggle in life has always been a woman.

Women have been in that group. Women in my comments section are like, "Oh, I'll adjust my tone." "Women are the ones spreading rumors. Women are the problem." Isn't it interesting that most of your protection comes from women against men, but in your experience, you've mostly been treated well by men, not women? Men have literally always helped me. Men have been... My dad has always loved me. Men on the street help me with Parking. What do you think is going on there? Squaring the circle. You know what's really weird?

Okay, I had this... At first, I thought men didn't have feelings. I really thought men didn't have feelings. Hmm. So when I saw someone having feelings, I thought, "Okay, maybe they do ." But then I realized that they were the ones who helped me from day one. And they were the ones who supported me and were loyal. Apart from my two girlfriends. I just don't know why I stood up for women. Hmm. And I don't know, I despise some of my female viewers because they're very left-wing feminists and want me to behave by their rules about gender and stuff, and I don't believe in that.

Okay. What's the best dating advice you have for women ? Well, never sleep with them until you're in a serious relationship because your body isn't designed to be used regularly by multiple people, and your heart is n't designed to be used for Breaking so many people. I would always make sure you're really safe. You don't need to worry about warning signs. So, I'll give you some advice about warning signs. For example, if he starts pressuring you too early by showering you with attention, making you want everything, basically making him your only thought all day, that's a bad thing.

That's really, really bad. You don't want a guy who makes you feel that way because he's cutting you off from other people who bring you back down to earth. Also, I advise women not to save people's names under their actual names and instead use a slightly insulting nickname to keep them there, like as a contact name. And then turn on "Wait a minute." Why? Let me explain. OK. Also, turn off notifications on Instagram and all other platforms, and turn off your activity status as well .

I do this because, firstly, dopamine is released very quickly through the attention of this person . So you do n't want your life sucked dry because you've slowly developed a certain level of respect for this person . Let me put it this way: If I have a guy saved on my phone as Hepatitis B, how sad would I be if Hepatitis B did n't text me back in time ? So women are really obsessed with Instagram statuses because they think, "Okay, this guy was active 9 minutes ago.

I texted him 10 hours ago ." So they start to feel like something's wrong with them . But if you have your notifications and status turned off, you don't know when he was online. He doesn't know when you were online. You're mysterious. Um, it's just like it's a place where you do n't feel the pain of not getting a text from him. So you're preparing your body to be neutral. Instead of getting emotionally attached to someone you don't really know that well. And I would also say, don't text all the time because that creates more intimacy than is actually possible and real at that moment.

That fake intimacy that develops from texting for weeks before a date is ridiculous. Mhm. I understand that maybe not falling for someone too quickly in the early stages of dating isn't hepatitis B, someone you don't trust, but it's generally not a bad solution. But do you ever advise women to completely drop their mask? Yes. I mean, I would tell women, until you're engaged, you're single. And you should take care of your body . You shouldn't sleep with other people. Don't go out with five people and sleep with them.

That's not how it works. Um, and that's what I always tell women. And then there's something the Orthodox Church says. They tell you that marriage means becoming a martyr for each other . And I think if you don't invest in yourself first, you don't have to become a martyr for anyone . We 're also concerned that someone might invest too much in you first. Well , yes, because that's love bombing. But you just said that you want to shower people with love bombs early in a relationship .

You do. I do too. Yes, but it's okay if you do that, but it's concerning when it's a A warning sign is when a man does that for a woman. It's concerning in both directions because there are many female psychopaths. You just do n't really hear about it. So, if you were to give advice to the men you date, if you were alone with them and you observed how they behave around men, what advice would you give them? Basically, an antidote for someone like me? What would you say?

Would you say that's a warning sign? I would be concerned about that. Would you tell them what the warning signs are? And I have men I coach. Because, as I ... Yes, another thing I want to say about how I discovered how much men help was when I went to a party with my husband and it was just his childhood friends there. And they were talking about their girlfriends and so on. And then they said that they would be devastated if they were cheated on. And I thought, men are actually the type who don't have those feelings and that they wouldn't care if they cheated on someone.

would cheat, and they say the guy says he couldn't live with himself. If he had done it. Yeah, if he had. And I was like , okay, man, maybe you 're not that bad. And then I flew to Europe on my own, and every time it was a European man who helped me get my suitcase , who got it off the conveyor belt . And they got me free meals and stuff, and I knew the intention behind it, but sometimes they just wanted to help me.

No, all those gentlemen or whatever . Yeah, and even the Russian guys, the Russians, there were stairs at a lot of airports that go up and down to the tarmac, and I had to lug my suitcases up there, and it was so annoying. And this Russian guy just grabbed my suitcase, took it down , walked across the tarmac , up the stairs to the plane, put it over my head, and just walked away. And I was just like, gentleman. What's the story between you and your husband?

Okay. We met, When I was crowned Miss Universe New Zealand , and I was on a date with him— which was supposed to be a double date with my friend—the guy took off. So, it was like him with two Miss Universe girls. He was very, very nervous beforehand. But we just clicked right away . We talked about politics ; we have the same views. I don't have to lie and say that for a leftist, I was more left-leaning. He was a real conservative. I'm a real conservative.

He always made an effort and was such a cheapskate back then. If he went to the trouble of buying me new clothes, I appreciated it. I appreciate it when someone invests time and effort in someone because that's what I would do if I were really interested in someone. I would dress the way he liked. I would always be on his side. But he was fantastic. We went on a few dates before I had to go back to Australia . Then I flew him to Australia with my own money, and he never came back.

I flew away. So we sort of moved in together. He moved into my parents' house, which was pretty taboo back then. But they weren't too upset because they saw he was serious . And after three months, I didn't just feel satisfied. I felt happy. I felt open . I could actually talk about things . What was the difference? I think it's because he's so calm. He's that anchor I never really had except for my dad. And he's one of the best men I've ever met. He doesn't even eat if I haven't eaten.

And he's known as the floor layer because when I go for a transfusion, he sleeps on the floor with me while I'm being transfused. And there aren't many people who would go that far. Like how he sponsored my European trip . He worked so hard. And he does so much for me. He does so much for our fur babies. And he has the values that I've always really appreciated. Is this the first time? Are you in love ? Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Is this the first time, That you felt that?

Uh, I don't know. It's happened before , but it wasn't the same. It 's like...it's something you can endure. I didn't think it could last. The first time. Is it difficult to be in a relationship ? You said if someone says something to me, gets on my nerves, annoys me, upsets me, if they do something wrong, if they make me feel a certain way, are negative, give me too much resistance, if I do n't get what I want. But in relationships, it's really important to have that back and forth because you do n't always know what's right for you.

And if it's someone off the street or someone you're not loyal to, it doesn't matter . But if it's your partner, it's really important that they push you to places to show you your blind spots. A lot of those blind spots are going to be uncomfortable. Yeah. For example, if you do something and say, "Hey, you're...you're a [ __ ]. "And that's what he says, too. But why isn't that the case? Is there tension inside you now? You have this person, you have this loyalty issue, but you also have this very basic physics in your system that you've had for much longer than he has.

Yes. Do these two things contradict each other? They often contradict each other. Um, the thing with him is that I see everything he does for me, and I'm also lenient with him because I don't have to wear a mask around him. So I can't say: Of course he causes a stir. Once in France , I said, 'You snore like a [ __ ] chainsaw when he's asleep .'" And then I tried to learn French on Duolingo, and he always got annoyed when the bell rang when I had done something right .

And that's why I got really angry with him. But um, the way I handle the relationship with him is that we keep things pretty fresh. We often change things because I don't like monotony . So what does that look like? We enjoy traveling to different places. For example, we were involved in reviewing the Epstein files. So we were already working on this long before the Ministry of Justice held its talks . So we travelled there. We met with Jeffrey's brother Mark, who was completely different from Jeffrey.

He's a great guy, a fantastic guy. And that's how we end up in strange places. Together we are a force to be reckoned with. Alone, I can be like a bomb that goes off at certain times , or like a block of ice that melts over time. But he uses him to keep me in check, and he can do it in a way that I don't find disrespectful. Mhm. And I had my arguments with him. I mean, once I was at the swimming pool with my friend Marie, who has an Asian background, and this white woman said, "Oh, you two can't swim properly." And I said, "I 've been swimming here every day for two years , so you can shut up ." And my husband did n't stand up for me because he's not the kind of person who likes to be confronted .

So I threatened to break up because I thought, "I ca n't deal with someone who does n't stand up for me." "Because I 'm a very confrontational person. If someone has a problem with me and talks badly about me, I address them directly." So that was a kind of problem we had at the beginning , and he was a little concerned about what psychopathy is and all that , he might have a few questions. Yes . Yes, that is... By the way, have you ever noticed how some websites make it ridiculously easy to buy something, while on others it feels infinitely more difficult ?

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You see, I don't know what happened to the woman who was afraid to become violent. Well , I don't want to become violent towards people I know. I don't know what kind of crap people have done. If you're dealing with someone who has ruined your life, why should n't you be violent in return ? But I must also say that he runs my website, so this is n't his copy, not yours. Yes, yes, yes, it's not mine. Interesting. Yes, I think that if you look at all the dating advice in your book, and also some of what you write on your website , it does seem quite manipulative.

Is that a fair way to put it ? Yes, that's right. Correct. Do you think that if women are taught manipulative dating tactics, they could introduce toxic games into otherwise healthy relationships ? I try to avoid that, especially with my coaching clients. I'll tell them where ruthlessness should begin and where it should end. And it should definitely stop when you're in a secure relationship . You definitely don't want to destroy them. So I value relationships between people when they are good for them. But if a guy makes you feel like [ __ ] by saying he has better options than you, and he treats you like you're nothing, like you're a speck of dust, then it's more than fair for me to tell him: If you want revenge or to feel empowered again , if you want to be empowered again, then you can use these methods.

It is therefore possible to have the advantages of psychopathy without the negative aspects of psychopathy. What are some of these methods? So, the methods of getting revenge on someone or regaining power, especially at the beginning of a relationship, I suppose. Basically, I've met many women who, I don't know, had slept with a man for a while and didn't know how to get him to commit, and they didn't want to give him up. And that's why they book coaching calls with me, but don't accept my advice, because they are weak.

Women are weak. And that makes me angry, but I still tell them that they have to use these methods. If he thinks he's better than you, then show him your other options. Not exactly, because men aren't stupid. Men know when something is going to happen. So, don't rub it in his face. Face. Just let him know. Just let him know that you have options and that you can handle this [ __ ]. Um, I'm also telling them to take the damn tests , right? The [ __ ] tests are important because you need to see how he will act under different circumstances before you get involved with him.

Mhm. Um, and I think men should be able to do that too. I just don't like the advice Fresh and Fit gives, which is to make a woman feel like trash so that she has lower self-esteem to be with you . So that's not really what I advise people to do. It sounds like some of the advice I've seen from you comes dangerously close to that. You know, this back and forth of bombarding him with love and then pulling away, of figuring out what makes him anxious and vulnerable, and then knowing how to push those buttons so that he really needs you.

This feels to me like a reversal of some of the worst dating advice I've ever received. from the other side of the fence. Okay, I have the feeling that women usually can't do as much damage as men. Of course, there are a few exceptions. And I also know that women are very moderate. They will retract my statements and wo n't do it because they simply can't . I have repeatedly proven that they cannot do that. They want to live in my place, but they can't go through with it.

But if they can persevere to a point where they do n't feel unstable, then that's the right time. So I know their limits. I know they won't go that far if I use them here to a certain extent. They will not cross this boundary . They will be far ahead of them . It's a bit like drama school, when they tell you to give it all your energy and then pull it back in. So, are there a few women who actually become violent? Possibly. But I'm not sure.

I don't give them any materials myself. So if they decide to harm someone, that's not my fault. You can choose to accept the advice in a book, or not. If Andrew Tate were to publish your book with the pronouns reversed , how do you think he would describe it? Pretty much , it would be his ticket to fame. Only without sex trafficking. When it comes to dating advice, it seems you stand in contrast to men who manipulate women, to men who try to use dopamine and psychology to create a need that may not even be there, in order to create a power imbalance, to generate a certain level of dependency.

Yes . You say that women do not feel the effects of this in the same way as men, and that women cannot use this power in the same way as men. Exactly . I would say that women are much more skillful and effective in interpersonal interactions than men . Women are better at detecting lies. They are also better liars. They are better at venting and gossiping. That's why the film "Girls Club – Beware the Bite!" was also turned. It wasn't "Mean Boys", but " Girls Club - Beware, they bite!" I understand what you mean, that empathy is on average somewhat higher in women.

Extreme. Something tells me that these aren't the kind of women who are looking for your content. So I wonder if we women who might already have this predisposition aren't simply missing out on a performance-enhancing drug. And you identified yourself as wrong. Well, I did n't know that men feel guilty when they cheat on their partner . Wow, I didn't know that men would feel guilty. You know, there might be another " wow" moment. I didn't know that men could actually feel the pain of being ghosted .

Do men feel the pain when they are ghosted? Absolutely. Yes, of course. That's what I would say. I think if a man…There are certainly men who understand that it takes a lot of romantic pressure early in a relationship to make a woman fall in love with him . But what they are doing is imitating its authenticity . Yes . Surely there must be men who just do the authentic thing, right? Not everyone is trying to play the game, otherwise the signal wouldn't work, right? Men are simply much more likely to be Machiavellian.

Much more likely. In men, it's about one in 20. In women, it's about one in 100. Okay, so you're talking about 5%. Yes, but these are the types who get around. Uh, that's right. That's a good point. Uh, you know, you're right. The men who are the sociosexually marginalized few at the top. Well, it's interesting. It is indeed the few sociosexual men with the few sociosexual women. These are usually not the types for whom the 80/20 rule no longer seems to apply. I understand what you mean.

I understand. That's why it's important for people to understand how manipulation works. I think it becomes dangerous when you teach people to do it the other way around. Then you create an incentive to harm people who are trying to do things in a legitimate way. The romance, the love bombing, the care, the attention, the affection—it could be a guy saying, “I’ve found my damn wife. I’ve found my wife and I can’t stop thinking about her. I’m going to send her flowers . I’m going to send her messages .

I’m going to send her those Disney princess love movies , exactly the kind of romantic comedies a lot of women want.” And I fear that these women will become skeptical about the motivation of men who do things with all the legitimacy they want, and that everything will be seen through. That's love bombing. You know, if he texts you three times in one hour , that's too much. Or if you get flowers after sex because you do n't call her, that would be bad, but if you get flowers the next day , that would be too much.

I do n't know. Perhaps he's simply thinking, "Oh my God, that was the best night of my life. I've found my wife." He'll tell all his friends, or maybe he's a fuckboy, that you're just on the list . You are on the WhatsApp broadcast list. When I figure out the difference between these two , I worry that some women are essentially losing sight of the person who did what they really wanted, because they see it as a tactic rather than a feeling. Is that understandable? That's the purpose of [ __ ] tests.

So you ask them to behave a little impractically in order to help you somehow. I'm not saying you have to help with the move or anything . If she moves, you'll have to take care of all that. But it's like you're saying, "Would you mind bringing this along on the way here? Would you mind meeting me here, even if it's a bit further away ? Would you mind?" It 's the useful part. Because a man who loves you, or cares about you, or really wants to be with this woman , and he says, "Oh my God, I love her so much.

This is amazing. I've met my wife, " they won't have a problem with that. They won't expect any effort. Exactly. Yes, there's a quote from Matthew Hussey: Invest in people based on how much they invest in you. Exactly. And that, for him, especially gentle, gentle, Matthew Hussey, is kind of sociopathic, right? Because it has to do with the transaction, with the " as long as you're there for me" thing. Here's my take: I don't agree. Besides, realistically speaking, how many men will actually take you to Paris later that night ?

They promise it to you in the morning over coffee. How many will actually take you to Paris that evening ? I think it depends on how good the sex is. Tell me, tell me how you have dealt with breakups in the past . OK. Um, well, I broke up with... I have a tendency to accidentally break up with men on their birthdays . Um, so, I broke up with a guy and he drove to my house and sat outside and he cried and kept texting me: "Please come out.

Please come out." On his birthday? On his birthday. Mhm. I didn't know because I hadn't asked. So I thought to myself, " I can't get out. I'm not interested. I'm done. Please go ." And if you don't leave, I ca n't get out either. It is late at night. I just watched him cry in the car. How did you feel when you watched him cry ? I think I laughed a little. And then I became really pathetic and simply closed the blinds. With other people, I am usually as gentle as possible or move away very slowly.

That's a disadvantage. There is less communication. I'm putting in less effort. I'm setting fewer priorities. It's not that clear. You don't just say, " Sometimes, yes." Sometimes I just think to myself: "Okay, we're not compatible in this or that respect . These are things we can't overcome. We just have to deal with it." Mhm. I've experienced all kinds of breakups with people. I think the most effective thing to do is simply to withdraw. The most effective way to break up with someone is when you… Yes, because when I tell someone that things are n't working out between us, they always say: “Oh no, I can do this and that and we'll manage.” It's as if they're saying, " I don't want you to do that." And they do not accept that as the final answer.

Even "I don't want you to do that " is not accepted as a final answer. Yes, that's happened to me many times. Have you in the past tried to say, instead of justifying yourself, "I don't want to be in this relationship anymore"? And to offer no justification? Well, once I called a guy and told him he was getting fat . That's still a justification. "I don't want to be in this relationship anymore." No, I wouldn't do that. Why? I don't know it. I just was n't that kind of person.

I wonder if this utilitarian idea is coming through again, but whether there needs to be some kind of justification for it . I need a justification for that. But this need for justification is actually something quite human. Yes, it's like letting them know that something exists. You don't necessarily have to actually do it. So if I set an arbitrary limit, like "Do n't write to me before this time." And then they start doing it regularly , and I think to myself, "Okay, I gave you that." And my real motivation would be completely different from how I present it.

You simply don't want to be in the relationship, but you made this rule. Interesting. Let 's assume you had neurotypical children. Yes . Would you recommend they date a sociopath? Yes . Why? Because if you understand, like a true sociopath, a true psychopath, if this person is truly on your side , then you have someone who is willing to harm other people for you . This person is willing to die for you. She's on your side. She chooses to love you every single day. She is not a slave to her emotions and brain chemicals.

She is trying to be there for you. And Dr. K. from HealthyGamerGG even talked about it. He said that people capable of these abhorrent things have chosen to be on your side, and that they will harm other people for your sake . And they will be your shield. Mhm. So I think it's absolutely essential to check them down to the smallest detail first. Check them, check them, check them. Even sociopaths and psychopaths sometimes break down their masks. No matter what, if I spent a week hanging out with you, it would completely spiral out of control.

You would see it. No matter how hard I try , it will slip through your fingers. How long? Because you can hold a two-hour podcast together relatively well . When does it become difficult? After a few days, a week, a few weeks? Probably after a week. You'll notice it after a week. And what does that look like? What you will notice: You will see that my reactions are less enthusiastic. I am less polite. Even though I am more insensitive. More insensitive. Definitely more insensitive. I try less to appease or look around for someone.

I would reveal my true self. Do you think some men are turned on by the idea of ​​being manipulated? Yes, they do. They regularly send me direct messages. They ask me if I can manipulate them . They give me money for that. Is that then pay-pig stuff? Manipulating a pig? Yes, yes, yes. Cash cows. And then there are those devoted men, especially those like that . They come up to me and say, "Oh, I find you so attractive." Or: "I love that you can make me do anything , and you say the most disgusting things and are still so hot." I hear that often and find it really repulsive because I don't like anything.

I find anything related to sexual gratification really dirty. Quite casually. Yes, quite casually. And that's exactly what they want. I mean, they're into that . I think to myself, this does absolutely nothing for me. Interestingly, I had a friend at university who was involved in a financial findom dominatrix thing. And this guy sent her... I did n't know how that worked. It 's damn crazy. This guy would send her his paycheck at the beginning of each week or month, and she would pay him 50 pence, 1 pound, 1 pound 50 daily.

He had to beg, and she had all these videos and so on, and it was a consensual relationship. Because the whole premise was that I...I need more of you. No, I won't. But then she received his entire paycheck at the beginning of each month . And there was a time when the car ran out of gas and he was married and had children. The car had run out of fuel . And he had to go to work, and she simply sent him 50 pence and told him to take the bus instead .

He said that wouldn't even get me there . She said, "Then just run." And you think to yourself: "Okay, at what point does this strange kind of self-harm stop? It's a kind of financial self-inflicted harm that you legitimize by having someone else do something in your name." Yes . From an ethical point of view, I still have no idea. That was... It's like self-flagellation. That was a damn 15 years ago, and I still do n't know what to make of it . Um, but it's strange that some people are sexually attracted to that, and what repulses you is the fact that they feel sexually satisfied even if you do n't.

Yes . I do n't like it when they have different feelings and think differently. In this way, they can exert sexual power over me. In a way. Yes, exactly. I find it interesting that you feel like men want to be manipulated by you and that you somehow try to prevent it. I have the feeling that part of the status problem is also that they are so belittled in comparison to you . It seems as if compassion plays a role. Is that fair? So, a lot of guys have approached me on Tinder or wherever and said, "You're too good for me." And there's something really disgusting about that for me.

It's like they're either trying to get me to compliment them, to the point where they see me in the state they see me in , or they want me to give up on myself, and you know, it's a game, or it's low self-esteem. Exactly. Exactly. And when they say that, I used to always say, "Okay, just let me respond with something nice ." And then I realized that most of them are really awful people. And if you automatically disqualify yourself, then I have no reason to be interested in you.

And I don't find it attractive that you do n't have self-respect. Mhm. Mhm. It's just something that's disgusting. I do n't like weakness, and I don't like pathetic situations like that. What are some of the things you do n't understand about yourself? Why I have so many hypocritical positions on things. Why I've built an audience that's nothing like me . I'm conservative. I want to have a conservative base. I want to be able to talk about politics. I want to be able to talk about things that are important to me.

And my audience just keeps me trapped, so I have to pretend I care about their ridiculous, often demeaning, and degenerate behavior. I've cultivated that, and it infuriates me. Anything to do with psychopathy brings more women, more crazy women, into my life. Inbox. And it's great when they buy my book, okay? It's great when they book coaching sessions. But I hate them. So there's this duality . Either you offer me something or you do n't. And that's kind of a position I take. I also don't know why I support women in general when women have hurt me more than anyone else .

I also feel like I expect empathy and stuff from other people, even though I don't reciprocate. Can. The weirdest thing about me is that I would say: Is there a weirdest thing? Go on. Yeah, the weirdest thing about me is that I get really confused when people don't like me. I'll say, for example, that people I don't even know are in relationships with other people who aren't me. It doesn't make any sense. I know logically that they don't know I exist, right? But how can someone be in a relationship with someone who is n't me?

Is that delusion of grandeur? I think so. I don't think that's narcissism. Hmm. Narcissism. Hmm. But yeah, a really good example of what a psychopath or alleged psychopath is is Candace Owens. So she feeds her audience little tidbits of, "Oh, here's more information about Charlie's death," even though it has nothing to do with Charlie, and she's just trying to get views. This is the game of a psychopath. How can someone tell if another person is a sociopath or a psychopath? First the eyes. Then you could do a simple test, like the yawn test or the smile test.

We don't yawn when you yawn. We are not smiling. Laughter is not contagious for us . We generally reflect your attitude. A tilted head usually means that we are trying to understand everything you are saying. Remembering your name, all those things that are very, very specific. Uh, compliments for obscure things. Like me, I like people's noses and I think you have a beautiful nose and I think Rob Lowe is my ideal because he has the perfect, smallest nose. These are the characteristics of psychopaths. Uh, and another thing you might notice is that we have strange justifications in our heads.

And for example, BTK Dennis Rader. No. He would n't. He was a serial killer. Uh, tie up, torture, kill. OK. Yes . He would not rape the women because he said that would be cheating on his wife. And uh, what is it? Ed Kemper said, "Yes, I killed her, but I never hit her." "So, there are these little weird things that you notice that aren't right. Mhm. And when you study people's faces , you see little microaggressions. If you're lying and you get away with it, there's usually a little smile on their lips.

Mhm. I do n't know what you call it exactly, but that's really something you 'll see. And with actions, you'll find that psychopaths will only help you if it's useful to them. But if they help you even though you can't offer them anything in return, then you've established a successful relationship with a psychopath. Who do you think are the most famous sociopaths in the world right now? Kevin Spacey, Justin Trudeau, Gavin Newsom, J.D. Vance, who else? J.D. But not Trump? Not Trump. Trump is a spy.

He 's a narcissist. Okay. Yes. Uh, who else is there? Uh, there are so many." Guys, Kevin Spacey. Please do n't kill me, Kevin Spacey. Uh, they all seem to be saying, " I think you're the wrong gender for Kevin." True. True. Uh, who else is that? Uh, Angelina Jolie. I think Angelina is a… Yes, yes. Sociopath. I find it hypocritical to pretend to be an ambassador for charities without advocating for Jews and without acknowledging that women were raped and tortured on October 7, 2023 .

Mhm. That's truly hypocritical. She loves stealing other people's men . She literally destroys relationships on a regular basis. She often seems to take advantage of people for what they have, and nothing she does seems to be genuine affection. Uh, Ariana Grande is a notorious adulteress. Oh yes. I also wanted to say Ariana. But do you think someone can be an adulteress without being a sociopath ? Yes, she can. But the way she does it is in the most malicious way imaginable . As if her goal was to destroy the relationship .

It's not that she...She's hopelessly in love with this man. Why should that be useful or interesting? The separation. What is the pleasure in observing pain ? I guess that's the sadistic side. But you haven't talked about that much yet. We haven't talked about the sadism issue yet . You talked about wanting to get revenge on people if a girl says something mean , and then you do something about it. The sadistic side seems to have faded somewhat into the background. Well, I haven't really gone into detail yet.

Let's go into detail. Tell me about the sadistic part of it . So, I like it intentionally. There are many people to whom I deliberately tell that I like them or something like that. I show them vulnerability so that they will show me theirs, and then I actually enjoy watching them suffer . I give them false advice so that I know they are not my clients, but I literally mislead them. I know exactly how to change her mind. I know exactly how they think. I can make them or I can break them.

And when you see someone begging to see you, and you cry like a grown man, that is a feeling of satisfaction. That is very satisfying. What kind of feeling is that? It's a thrill. It's like adrenaline. You think to yourself, "Oh my God, look what he's willing to do for me ." " Mhm. Like power. The power. Yeah, so someone who submits, I guess. And that's something I like, aside from sexual or romantic relationships . I don't really like submissive men . I find them disgusting.

But what I'm saying is, seeing emotional pain is something I enjoy. I love writing funny insults. And I'm like, "You have less integrity than Reinhard Heydrich, so let's not elaborate on that." "Um, but there's a certain kind of pain when you leave them with an emotional void, so they desperately need closure from you . Mhm. And then they run around in circles trying to please you and get that out of you. And I'm never going to give that person closure because I know I'm going to have control over them for the rest of their life .

People try to get over it, but I've had people who were nine years ago who told me..." that they dream about me. And I feel like it works to some extent. And then there's the physical sadism, uh, the physical sadism was more of a childhood thing. I enjoyed watching them hurt themselves. I enjoyed watching them bleed , I guess. I enjoyed pushing them off their chairs because they had a new bruise every day . Um, I used to do that , but now I think, because I guess as an adult you can be charged with those kinds of crimes , or fraud, if I start stealing credit cards again.

Or if I see people... For example, when I stole a woman's credit card from her wallet at university , I went up to her and comforted her while she said, " Someone's been on a shopping spree with my card," and I thought, "This is so awful, people are vile, people are really bad." I hugged her while I spent all her money. It gave me a certain pleasure to see her to watch it. And then, you know, with the girl whose competition I ruined, it was so beautiful to see her sink into a depression that seemed unbearable.

Her depression isn't like mine, because I do n't think it is. Um, could you think it was right to see her fight ? I think it is. Did the girl with the credit card do anything? No, she had the card blocked. Did she do anything to justify stealing the card? She just wanted to... I see. This is where the real discomfort comes in for me. When you do something to someone and then retaliate excessively, it's horrible and very painful, but at least you can understand it in the equation of normal human psychology .

It's when it's pointless. There's no justifiable reason. There's no comprehensible explanation for why something like that happened. For me, that's where I go: Holy [ __ ]. "I think the reason it feels that way is because there's no control. When If you poke the bear too often and it hits you, okay, if I don't poke the bear, at least I won't get hit. But if I'm just a girl who didn't do anything, who didn't try to say anything mean to you at Miss Universe, and then Venezuela comes after me, but I was just a girl with a purse and a card in it, and now she's gone, and then I'm manipulated into thinking I have a friend who's actually spending all my money, and that feels a little different.

Yeah. Yeah, and that's why I don't do it anymore. But maybe there's something subconscious I didn't know I had a reason for , but I can't think of anything. Jealous of her, it could have been something else. Really. Do you ever wish you could have normal feelings and care about people like a typical person? I feel like I already do that for people who are worth it . I don't do it because I'm not sure what What I get out of being nice to someone who does n't support me.

She won't be on my side when I need her . It's very time-consuming to take care of so many people. And sometimes I wish I could n't be behind that glass wall. Sure. It's lonely sometimes. It is . Yeah. And people don't realize that. People don't realize how hard it is to deal with this disorder. And people try to fake it and want to. And it's hell. You never feel like a complete, functioning person. I feel like I haven't really grown up either. I've been talking to friends I have n't spoken to in years, and they all have kids and they're doing all of this , and I'm still in the same mindset.

And it's really frustrating. Although, since then I've accomplished some things. I was on my dream show Sean Hannity the other day because I used to watch it with my dad when I was little. It was insane. And I'm doing all these things. And I was I was at the trials against Ghislaine Maxwell . I did all that stuff. I was literally in her bathtub taking photographs. Consensual? Oh, she wasn't there. She was in prison. Her house was up for sale. So it was the perfect time to go in and gather evidence.

You treated it like a museum. Yes, exactly. Interesting. Yes. I was just trying to understand the logistics of that bathtub and how many people would fit in it, because Virginia Giuffre said that Prince Andrew raped her in that bathtub . I just wanted to see if it worked. What did you find out? I barely fit in it. I'm 5 feet tall. As far as I know, Prince Andrew was 6 feet and Virginia was 5 feet 8 inches . So if I were struggling in there , I'd say that's a rather wobbly bathtub for someone with a lot of money .

Did you condemn her because of her house ? Yes, her house is a dump. But it's in Kensington, so it's an expensive postcode. Exactly. So I understand that I have normal feelings. I think I have feelings for the people who are important to me. Do you know the difference between local and global maxima? Yes. Cool. So you can only optimize the things you know. Exactly. Things you don't know, you ca n't optimize. And sometimes you get stuck at a local maximum. There might be a higher maximum or higher returns you could achieve if you tried a different approach .

But if you do n't know the approach, you're limited by what you do know. Yes. I'm wondering, I'm trying to give you a very utilitarian justification for this, maybe expand on that. Um, that. That it makes sense to do things for people , even if you look at it completely sterilely, aside from the fact that it's good and prosocial and rah rah rah. It makes sense to do things for people from whom you don't see any direct benefit, especially if they're different, in terms of new things , because you don't know what you ca n't You know, and you don't fully understand how these effects might come back.

You've often talked about someone you forgot about nine years ago who is still influenced by you. Nine years ago, you might not have known that would be the case. So you had a local maximum there, and there's a global maximum that's higher when you do something you weren't aware of. The same thing can happen in a positive way, too. You say, "Hmm, I'm just going to... You know, I'm just going to do this thing for a friend. And maybe he'll pay me back, maybe not." And then something happens.

The return on investment that comes from it, even if you couldn't have done the calculation , ends up being incredibly positive for you in your life. So I'm wondering if you're slowly accumulating more of these algorithms , where you're headed. Hm, that's a...Because what you're basically doing is a very slow walk of prosocial human evolution within a person. You need to learn it step by step, instead of being loaded with the source code that most of us have. Absolutely. And what interests me, firstly, is whether you manage to make it to the end of your life without getting into really, really difficult situations.

But secondly, how far you get with it. It's about how many normal human behaviors you will learn psychologically through conscious practice. And because you said earlier that you had physical and criminal tendencies, these were somewhat domesticated. Okay, now I have friends. Okay, now I have a partner. Okay, now I have responsibility. Exactly . And you ask yourself: "Okay, how far will I get in life?" I think that's a good question. I believe Christianity has helped me a lot, and Charlie Kirk has helped me a lot to get there.

It was the fact that he always said, "Do something good for someone every day." I like to shower people with gifts and take care of them, even though I know they might have to repay me. Yes . But I simply like that. Sometimes, with this bombardment of love, I'm actually happy because I'm so exhausted that I need something to happen in order to really feel something. But when it comes to developing prosocial behaviors and learning from other people, I feel like I am doing that. I feel like I do that regularly.

I feel that the traditions and authority of the Orthodox Church help me . I love hierarchies. Probably, if you're way up there . But the thing is, they teach you a discipline that I do n't have, and that I want to learn. So you have to stand for two hours. Yes, yes, you have to stand for two hours during the service. You don't have to sit down. There are no pews. One must fast on Wednesdays and Fridays. This is one way to reduce overeating. And the church is a hospital.

So if you are sick or have committed sins, like me, they don't treat you like a criminal. They treat you like someone who needs help in a hospital . And the priests do n't condemn you. They don't. It seems to me that the element of forgiveness is a big part of it. But how come you learn the value of forgiveness for yourself, but don't apply it to other people? If this is something new, one of the biggest changes in your life, I would assume, okay, I'll give it a try.

Receive gifts. I try to be more lenient towards others. I like to pray. It is difficult. Because my priest says, if you can't pray for her, just pray for yourself. And then you'll harbor less hatred for her until you reach a point where you can pray for her. Mhm. And I feel very connected to them because I really like the advice they give. I think it's great that they are like a spiritual father . So, like my biological father, I have a spiritual father whom I can consult when making decisions, for example, if they could harm other people.

I like that as a kind of limitation. And I like the stability of the church. It has n't changed in 2,000 years . So there is this feeling of traditional circumstances, traditional values ​​that I had in my home. I don't believe I can necessarily do everything a normal person can do. We love in our own way. We take care of others in our own way. Unfortunately, many people don't manage it. I'm trying to get to the point where I can do far more good than bad.

And I feel like I'm well on my way there. I've heard that you are also a special kind of soprano. Can I hear what that sounds like? I can't do that. No. Nobody can do that. Kanika Batra, ladies and gentlemen. What's next for you? What do you hope for in the near future? I would like to write another book . Aha. I want to become a political commentator for the conservative movement because there is a great division there at the moment. And ideally, I would be on my way to starting a family .

And get baptized in the Orthodox Church. I will watch with interest. I appreciate you very much. Where do your people look to see everything you do? Everything is on my Instagram. My website is kanikarose.com. My book is there. There you will find the Concilium, where I will teach you how to avoid manipulation and free yourself from the cage that is your brain . OK. Thanks. Thanks. Congratulations. You made it to the end of a podcast episode without dying. Here is the next one . Keep going.

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