Fasting Is Making You Fatter (Here’s Why) | Mind Pump 2824

You want to lose weight, so you thought You want to lose weight, so you thought fasting was a good idea. Skipping fasting was a good idea. Skipping fasting was a good idea. Skipping breakfast. Great idea, right? Easy way breakfast. Great idea, right? Easy way breakfast. Great idea, right? Easy way to control calories. No. Fasting is to control calories. No. Fasting is to control calories. No. Fasting is making you fatter. Stop doing it. Let's making you fatter. Stop doing it. Let's making you fatter. Stop doing it. Let's get into hot get into hot get into hot >> take. We haven't said that in a minute. >> take. We haven't said that in a minute. >> take. We haven't said that in a minute. >> We haven't. I uh um this is coming up >> We haven't. I uh um this is coming up >> We haven't. I uh um this is coming up because I have a friend of mine who um because I have a friend of mine who um because I have a friend of mine who um you know, he trains jiu-jitsu, lifts you know, he trains jiu-jitsu, lifts you know, he trains jiu-jitsu, lifts weights, and uh you know, he of course weights, and uh you know, he of course weights, and uh you know, he of course he's sending me the articles. Not he's sending me the articles. Not he's sending me the articles. Not articles, typically they're like articles, typically they're like articles, typically they're like Instagram posts on fasting. Yeah. Instagram posts on fasting. Yeah. Instagram posts on fasting. Yeah. >> Oh, it's good for you, dude. I should do >> Oh, it's good for you, dude. I should do >> Oh, it's good for you, dude. I should do this. I should that. I'm like, listen, this. I should that. I'm like, listen, this. I should that. I'm like, listen, >> definitely not a good idea, especially >> definitely not a good idea, especially >> definitely not a good idea, especially for someone like you who trains in for someone like you who trains in for someone like you who trains in jiu-jitsu and lift weights. You already, jiu-jitsu and lift weights. You already, jiu-jitsu and lift weights. You already, you know, having trouble hitting your you know, having trouble hitting your you know, having trouble hitting your protein intake this, that, and the protein intake this, that, and the protein intake this, that, and the other. other. other. >> You need nutrients. >> You need nutrients. >> You need nutrients. >> And he's just, you know, he's just >> And he's just, you know, he's just >> And he's just, you know, he's just debating and arguing with me. He thinks debating and arguing with me. He thinks debating and arguing with me. He thinks it's a great idea. So, um, you know, I'm it's a great idea. So, um, you know, I'm it's a great idea. So, um, you know, I'm like, "All right, cool. Let me just show like, "All right, cool. Let me just show like, "All right, cool. Let me just show you a study." So, I'll I'll send I'll you a study." So, I'll I'll send I'll you a study." So, I'll I'll send I'll I'll kind of go over the study I'll kind of go over the study I'll kind of go over the study uh on f and we actually have good uh on f and we actually have good uh on f and we actually have good studies now on fasting and it's and studies now on fasting and it's and studies now on fasting and it's and comparing it to comparing it to comparing it to control calorie diets or in other words control calorie diets or in other words control calorie diets or in other words diets that are similar but um the diets that are similar but um the diets that are similar but um the difference being you know it's fasted uh difference being you know it's fasted uh difference being you know it's fasted uh or not. or not. or not. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um and here's here's one of the ones >> Um and here's here's one of the ones >> Um and here's here's one of the ones that I uh that I found. Um, and this was that I uh that I found. Um, and this was that I uh that I found. Um, and this was done with I don't know 1,700 uh done with I don't know 1,700 uh done with I don't know 1,700 uh individuals. And this is the individuals. And this is the individuals. And this is the relationship they found with skipping relationship they found with skipping relationship they found with skipping breakfast. Okay. So, people who skip breakfast. Okay. So, people who skip breakfast. Okay. So, people who skip breakfast more than four times a week breakfast more than four times a week breakfast more than four times a week had 33% higher odds of elevated fasting had 33% higher odds of elevated fasting had 33% higher odds of elevated fasting blood glucose, blood glucose, blood glucose, 25% higher odds of hypertension, 25% higher odds of hypertension, 25% higher odds of hypertension, 40% higher odds of reduced HDL. 40% higher odds of reduced HDL. 40% higher odds of reduced HDL. Um and overall they had 24 to 25% higher Um and overall they had 24 to 25% higher Um and overall they had 24 to 25% higher odds of full metabolic syndrome. So odds of full metabolic syndrome. So odds of full metabolic syndrome. So those are the associations. those are the associations. those are the associations. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> With people who skipped uh breakfast. Um >> With people who skipped uh breakfast. Um >> With people who skipped uh breakfast. Um and so I just we need to we need to and so I just we need to we need to and so I just we need to we need to tackle this because fasting is uh it's tackle this because fasting is uh it's tackle this because fasting is uh it's again it's coming around again as this again it's coming around again as this again it's coming around again as this like great way to to lose weight. It's like great way to to lose weight. It's like great way to to lose weight. It's terrible. It's it's funny because it's terrible. It's it's funny because it's terrible. It's it's funny because it's something that it's been around forever, something that it's been around forever, something that it's been around forever, >> you know, and it's one of those another >> you know, and it's one of those another >> you know, and it's one of those another classic example in the space that, you classic example in the space that, you classic example in the space that, you know, that we we've taken um and broke know, that we we've taken um and broke know, that we we've taken um and broke down some of the positive uh benefits down some of the positive uh benefits down some of the positive uh benefits from it and then exacerbated it and from it and then exacerbated it and from it and then exacerbated it and marketed the [ __ ] out of it marketed the [ __ ] out of it marketed the [ __ ] out of it >> and it's sell it. >> and it's sell it. >> and it's sell it. >> Yeah. And then sell it and then it's >> Yeah. And then sell it and then it's >> Yeah. And then sell it and then it's turned into a trend and then now turned into a trend and then now turned into a trend and then now there's, you know, supplements that you there's, you know, supplements that you there's, you know, supplements that you should take while you're fasted. So you should take while you're fasted. So you should take while you're fasted. So you don't, you know, so you minimize the don't, you know, so you minimize the don't, you know, so you minimize the muscle loss and all the and so it's just muscle loss and all the and so it's just muscle loss and all the and so it's just like we totally have bastardized the like we totally have bastardized the like we totally have bastardized the true meaning of fasting and the intent true meaning of fasting and the intent true meaning of fasting and the intent of it and where that where it originated of it and where that where it originated of it and where that where it originated from and turned it into a marketing ploy from and turned it into a marketing ploy from and turned it into a marketing ploy to get people to buy more stuff. And uh to get people to buy more stuff. And uh to get people to buy more stuff. And uh you know I I think there's tremendous you know I I think there's tremendous you know I I think there's tremendous value in in fasting. In fact, there's value in in fasting. In fact, there's value in in fasting. In fact, there's many times where I'm like, you know many times where I'm like, you know many times where I'm like, you know what, I should get back to where I was what, I should get back to where I was what, I should get back to where I was like trying to fast at least once a like trying to fast at least once a like trying to fast at least once a month. month. month. >> I'm going to guess you're not doing it >> I'm going to guess you're not doing it >> I'm going to guess you're not doing it for fat loss. for fat loss. for fat loss. >> No. No, of course not. I think that's we >> No. No, of course not. I think that's we >> No. No, of course not. I think that's we all agree that it's a terrible strategy all agree that it's a terrible strategy all agree that it's a terrible strategy for fat loss and you always will get for fat loss and you always will get for fat loss and you always will get push back from somebody like well I did push back from somebody like well I did push back from somebody like well I did it and I lost all this weight and it's it and I lost all this weight and it's it and I lost all this weight and it's just like yeah it's okay great there's a just like yeah it's okay great there's a just like yeah it's okay great there's a lot of different things that you can do lot of different things that you can do lot of different things that you can do uh temporarily just to lose weight. Um, uh temporarily just to lose weight. Um, uh temporarily just to lose weight. Um, but there's a couple things why I don't but there's a couple things why I don't but there's a couple things why I don't like it. Because when I look back at all like it. Because when I look back at all like it. Because when I look back at all the people that I've trained, and you've the people that I've trained, and you've the people that I've trained, and you've heard this probably many times in the heard this probably many times in the heard this probably many times in the podcast, this repeat and it still stands podcast, this repeat and it still stands podcast, this repeat and it still stands true. And our live callers that we take true. And our live callers that we take true. And our live callers that we take every single week, the same thing. every single week, the same thing. every single week, the same thing. Almost everybody under eats protein Almost everybody under eats protein Almost everybody under eats protein unless you've been listening to the show unless you've been listening to the show unless you've been listening to the show and you've now adopted that you focus on and you've now adopted that you focus on and you've now adopted that you focus on that. people that are just kind of eat that. people that are just kind of eat that. people that are just kind of eat or do their thing. Um, typically are or do their thing. Um, typically are or do their thing. Um, typically are carbheavy, um, a lot of sugars, uh, high carbheavy, um, a lot of sugars, uh, high carbheavy, um, a lot of sugars, uh, high fats, and don't hit high protein. And fats, and don't hit high protein. And fats, and don't hit high protein. And you take somebody like that and you skip you take somebody like that and you skip you take somebody like that and you skip a whole another meal or two. a whole another meal or two. a whole another meal or two. >> Yeah. Right. Or two, you may reduce the >> Yeah. Right. Or two, you may reduce the >> Yeah. Right. Or two, you may reduce the calories temporarily in that person, but calories temporarily in that person, but calories temporarily in that person, but you also end up cutting into some of you also end up cutting into some of you also end up cutting into some of their protein intake that was already their protein intake that was already their protein intake that was already low. So now they're even now now they're low. So now they're even now now they're low. So now they're even now now they're getting really low on protein. getting really low on protein. getting really low on protein. and and and they're they're probably if and and and they're they're probably if and and and they're they're probably if they're fasting for fat loss doing more they're fasting for fat loss doing more they're fasting for fat loss doing more activity or lifting weights. Um you're activity or lifting weights. Um you're activity or lifting weights. Um you're just over now overdoing it on that, not just over now overdoing it on that, not just over now overdoing it on that, not giving the body the proper nutrients to giving the body the proper nutrients to giving the body the proper nutrients to to build and grow. And eventually the to build and grow. And eventually the to build and grow. And eventually the body adapts to that new calorie intake body adapts to that new calorie intake body adapts to that new calorie intake and it shows, okay, I'm used to skipping and it shows, okay, I'm used to skipping and it shows, okay, I'm used to skipping breakfast and lunch and eating at 2 or breakfast and lunch and eating at 2 or breakfast and lunch and eating at 2 or whatever time you first start your your whatever time you first start your your whatever time you first start your your first meal and you're getting no first meal and you're getting no first meal and you're getting no results. You're low protein, you're results. You're low protein, you're results. You're low protein, you're training every other day, training every other day, training every other day, >> energy dramatically decreases. >> energy dramatically decreases. >> energy dramatically decreases. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I went through that whole >> I mean, I went through that whole >> I mean, I went through that whole process because it's a convenience like, process because it's a convenience like, process because it's a convenience like, >> you know, skipping breakfast is an easy >> you know, skipping breakfast is an easy >> you know, skipping breakfast is an easy one for people to be able to handle for one for people to be able to handle for one for people to be able to handle for the most part because, you know, you're the most part because, you know, you're the most part because, you know, you're busy and you're getting ready and um and busy and you're getting ready and um and busy and you're getting ready and um and I think that the red reduction in I think that the red reduction in I think that the red reduction in calories initially for somebody that's calories initially for somebody that's calories initially for somebody that's like, well, I need to like, you know, like, well, I need to like, you know, like, well, I need to like, you know, manage this a bit and and reduce manage this a bit and and reduce manage this a bit and and reduce calories so that way I'm not intaking as calories so that way I'm not intaking as calories so that way I'm not intaking as much. I'm going to lose body fat. Like much. I'm going to lose body fat. Like much. I'm going to lose body fat. Like all these benefits can happen. You start all these benefits can happen. You start all these benefits can happen. You start to find out that yeah, your energy is to find out that yeah, your energy is to find out that yeah, your energy is really going to be affected, you know, really going to be affected, you know, really going to be affected, you know, in a negative way. Uh and you're going in a negative way. Uh and you're going in a negative way. Uh and you're going to get adapted to that pretty quickly to to get adapted to that pretty quickly to to get adapted to that pretty quickly to where it's not really going to benefit where it's not really going to benefit where it's not really going to benefit you uh and your workouts. And the thing you uh and your workouts. And the thing you uh and your workouts. And the thing is it it acts as more of a deterrent as is it it acts as more of a deterrent as is it it acts as more of a deterrent as you go further along with it uh towards you go further along with it uh towards you go further along with it uh towards any kind of progress you're making. any kind of progress you're making. any kind of progress you're making. >> There's three. So uh fasting does have a >> There's three. So uh fasting does have a >> There's three. So uh fasting does have a long history. It's actually one of the long history. It's actually one of the long history. It's actually one of the the first documented uh forms of quote the first documented uh forms of quote the first documented uh forms of quote unquote diet. uh and it was it's unquote diet. uh and it was it's unquote diet. uh and it was it's documented early on for uh spiritual documented early on for uh spiritual documented early on for uh spiritual practices. So it's it's it's present in practices. So it's it's it's present in practices. So it's it's it's present in the major the world's major religions, the major the world's major religions, the major the world's major religions, Christianity, Islam, uh Judaism. Um it's Christianity, Islam, uh Judaism. Um it's Christianity, Islam, uh Judaism. Um it's also uh recorded as a way to help with also uh recorded as a way to help with also uh recorded as a way to help with seizures. Uh so and that's what we think seizures. Uh so and that's what we think seizures. Uh so and that's what we think they were talking about but and we know they were talking about but and we know they were talking about but and we know this because uh when somebody has this because uh when somebody has this because uh when somebody has epilepsy many times they respond well to epilepsy many times they respond well to epilepsy many times they respond well to um having rising ketones in the system um having rising ketones in the system um having rising ketones in the system and no glucose and so that's what and no glucose and so that's what and no glucose and so that's what happens when you fast right you have no happens when you fast right you have no happens when you fast right you have no you're not consuming anything so your you're not consuming anything so your you're not consuming anything so your body starts to develop energy from body starts to develop energy from body starts to develop energy from ketones. This can also be accomplished ketones. This can also be accomplished ketones. This can also be accomplished >> with a medicinal uh ketogenic diet and >> with a medicinal uh ketogenic diet and >> with a medicinal uh ketogenic diet and which is actually one of the first which is actually one of the first which is actually one of the first treatments for epilepsy before we had uh treatments for epilepsy before we had uh treatments for epilepsy before we had uh better drugs. But there are there are a better drugs. But there are there are a better drugs. But there are there are a few places that the data shows uh where few places that the data shows uh where few places that the data shows uh where fasting has value. So one is spiritual fasting has value. So one is spiritual fasting has value. So one is spiritual practices. practices. practices. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh so fasting for spiritual practices um >> Uh so fasting for spiritual practices um >> Uh so fasting for spiritual practices um is like fasting for anything like you're is like fasting for anything like you're is like fasting for anything like you're you're you're denying the flesh. You're you're you're denying the flesh. You're you're you're denying the flesh. You're you're you're you're putting yourself in you're you're you're putting yourself in you're you're you're putting yourself in a state of suffering in an attempt to a state of suffering in an attempt to a state of suffering in an attempt to get closer to uh to God. So that's get closer to uh to God. So that's get closer to uh to God. So that's there's there's value there for sure. there's there's value there for sure. there's there's value there for sure. There's also value for certain gut There's also value for certain gut There's also value for certain gut health issues. So certain inflammatory health issues. So certain inflammatory health issues. So certain inflammatory gut issues. You may have a functional gut issues. You may have a functional gut issues. You may have a functional medicine practitioner which will have medicine practitioner which will have medicine practitioner which will have you take a break from eating to allow you take a break from eating to allow you take a break from eating to allow the inflammation to come down um or have the inflammation to come down um or have the inflammation to come down um or have shorter eating windows to allow this to shorter eating windows to allow this to shorter eating windows to allow this to happen. So that's another way. happen. So that's another way. happen. So that's another way. >> And then the third value of fasting is >> And then the third value of fasting is >> And then the third value of fasting is for people who are uh not on the other for people who are uh not on the other for people who are uh not on the other end of the spectrum of eating disorder end of the spectrum of eating disorder end of the spectrum of eating disorder orexia. orexia. orexia. >> Not not orthorexia but like bigexia. >> Not not orthorexia but like bigexia. >> Not not orthorexia but like bigexia. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So we know what anorexia is. It's like >> So we know what anorexia is. It's like >> So we know what anorexia is. It's like starving yourself. starving yourself. starving yourself. >> Then there's like what we used to label >> Then there's like what we used to label >> Then there's like what we used to label or what they label big. This would be or what they label big. This would be or what they label big. This would be maybe closer to what I would do as a maybe closer to what I would do as a maybe closer to what I would do as a kid. I always felt skinny, so I was kid. I always felt skinny, so I was kid. I always felt skinny, so I was stuffing myself stuffing myself stuffing myself >> constantly >> constantly >> constantly >> throwing it down. >> throwing it down. >> throwing it down. >> And it it was uh mentally beneficial for >> And it it was uh mentally beneficial for >> And it it was uh mentally beneficial for me to fast because I didn't eat for 10 me to fast because I didn't eat for 10 me to fast because I didn't eat for 10 hours and realize that my muscles didn't hours and realize that my muscles didn't hours and realize that my muscles didn't just evaporate and it's like, "Oh my just evaporate and it's like, "Oh my just evaporate and it's like, "Oh my god, I was been so attached to having to god, I was been so attached to having to god, I was been so attached to having to eat every other hour." eat every other hour." eat every other hour." >> But that's it. Other than that, there's >> But that's it. Other than that, there's >> But that's it. Other than that, there's no real value. And the reason why people no real value. And the reason why people no real value. And the reason why people like fasting uh as an for weight loss is like fasting uh as an for weight loss is like fasting uh as an for weight loss is because it's a very black and white because it's a very black and white because it's a very black and white >> clear >> clear >> clear >> the most simplistic >> the most simplistic >> the most simplistic >> basic. Yeah. This is how I cut calories. >> basic. Yeah. This is how I cut calories. >> basic. Yeah. This is how I cut calories. I was I was not eating. I was I was not eating. I was I was not eating. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Until this time. Now the data that I >> Until this time. Now the data that I >> Until this time. Now the data that I showed people might be wondering why is showed people might be wondering why is showed people might be wondering why is it associated it associated it associated with worse fasting glucose, worse blood with worse fasting glucose, worse blood with worse fasting glucose, worse blood lipids, worse overall metabolic health. lipids, worse overall metabolic health. lipids, worse overall metabolic health. Well, there's there's a couple reasons Well, there's there's a couple reasons Well, there's there's a couple reasons for this. one, eating protein in the for this. one, eating protein in the for this. one, eating protein in the morning controls blood glucose better morning controls blood glucose better morning controls blood glucose better all day long than if you don't have all day long than if you don't have all day long than if you don't have protein. protein. protein. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And and we know this because we >> Okay. And and we know this because we >> Okay. And and we know this because we have continual glucose monitor data now, have continual glucose monitor data now, have continual glucose monitor data now, which measures blood sugar in real time. which measures blood sugar in real time. which measures blood sugar in real time. And uh for the most part, unless you got And uh for the most part, unless you got And uh for the most part, unless you got really bad gut issues, again, if you got really bad gut issues, again, if you got really bad gut issues, again, if you got really inflamed gut issues and your really inflamed gut issues and your really inflamed gut issues and your functional medicine practitioner tells functional medicine practitioner tells functional medicine practitioner tells you to take a break, it'll probably you to take a break, it'll probably you to take a break, it'll probably benefit your blood glucose. But benefit your blood glucose. But benefit your blood glucose. But everybody else eating a high protein everybody else eating a high protein everybody else eating a high protein breakfast with all the same food all breakfast with all the same food all breakfast with all the same food all throughout the whole day versus not throughout the whole day versus not throughout the whole day versus not eating the high protein breakfast and eating the high protein breakfast and eating the high protein breakfast and eating the same food. The high protein eating the same food. The high protein eating the same food. The high protein morning uh meal controls blood glucose morning uh meal controls blood glucose morning uh meal controls blood glucose better. And then the second reason which better. And then the second reason which better. And then the second reason which I think is the big reason here's what I think is the big reason here's what I think is the big reason here's what happens with regular fasting or regular happens with regular fasting or regular happens with regular fasting or regular restriction. It results in binging restriction. It results in binging restriction. It results in binging later. Yeah. later. Yeah. later. Yeah. >> It results in disordered eating later. >> It results in disordered eating later. >> It results in disordered eating later. You're either you're eating faster this You're either you're eating faster this You're either you're eating faster this and you know this if you're listening and you know this if you're listening and you know this if you're listening you know this like you break your fast you know this like you break your fast you know this like you break your fast watch the speed of your eating it's watch the speed of your eating it's watch the speed of your eating it's faster which leads to higher calories faster which leads to higher calories faster which leads to higher calories and then food choices tend to be and then food choices tend to be and then food choices tend to be >> more difficult and then Adam to your >> more difficult and then Adam to your >> more difficult and then Adam to your point okay I need to eat let's say I'm point okay I need to eat let's say I'm point okay I need to eat let's say I'm I'm a woman that needs to eat I'm a woman that needs to eat I'm a woman that needs to eat >> 130 grams of protein a day and and the >> 130 grams of protein a day and and the >> 130 grams of protein a day and and the data on protein is clear I'll just data on protein is clear I'll just data on protein is clear I'll just really quick high protein or optimal really quick high protein or optimal really quick high protein or optimal protein for fat loss muscle gain protein for fat loss muscle gain protein for fat loss muscle gain athletic performance is around a gram of athletic performance is around a gram of athletic performance is around a gram of protein per pound of target body So, you protein per pound of target body So, you protein per pound of target body So, you can do less than that, you're okay. But can do less than that, you're okay. But can do less than that, you're okay. But optimal is better, way better for optimal is better, way better for optimal is better, way better for whatever fitness uh or athletic whatever fitness uh or athletic whatever fitness uh or athletic performance goal you have. Okay? So, I'm performance goal you have. Okay? So, I'm performance goal you have. Okay? So, I'm 100 I want to eat 130 grams of protein a 100 I want to eat 130 grams of protein a 100 I want to eat 130 grams of protein a day. I'm not even a 200lb male. I'm a day. I'm not even a 200lb male. I'm a day. I'm not even a 200lb male. I'm a typical small petite woman. 130 grams. typical small petite woman. 130 grams. typical small petite woman. 130 grams. So, it's like 40 grams of protein, you So, it's like 40 grams of protein, you So, it's like 40 grams of protein, you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, 45 know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, 45 know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner, 45 grams or so breakfast. So, now I skip grams or so breakfast. So, now I skip grams or so breakfast. So, now I skip two meals and I have an eating window of two meals and I have an eating window of two meals and I have an eating window of 3 hours. What am I going to do? Eat 130 3 hours. What am I going to do? Eat 130 3 hours. What am I going to do? Eat 130 grams of protein in 3 hours? you got a grams of protein in 3 hours? you got a grams of protein in 3 hours? you got a lot to shovel in. I lot to shovel in. I lot to shovel in. I >> if I'm dedicated and I'm like, "Well, >> if I'm dedicated and I'm like, "Well, >> if I'm dedicated and I'm like, "Well, I'm still going to get my protein." That I'm still going to get my protein." That I'm still going to get my protein." That is disordered eating. is disordered eating. is disordered eating. >> Eat 130 grams of protein as 130 lb >> Eat 130 grams of protein as 130 lb >> Eat 130 grams of protein as 130 lb female in 3 hours, you're stuffing female in 3 hours, you're stuffing female in 3 hours, you're stuffing yourself. yourself. yourself. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so this is why you see these >> And so this is why you see these >> And so this is why you see these problems. Now, we have really good data problems. Now, we have really good data problems. Now, we have really good data now. Ever since fasting became popular now. Ever since fasting became popular now. Ever since fasting became popular over the last 10 years, we've compared over the last 10 years, we've compared over the last 10 years, we've compared with controlled studies, like really with controlled studies, like really with controlled studies, like really good, well done studies where it's good, well done studies where it's good, well done studies where it's calorie restriction. So, so same diet, calorie restriction. So, so same diet, calorie restriction. So, so same diet, both deficit. This one's fasted, this both deficit. This one's fasted, this both deficit. This one's fasted, this one isn't. Guess what? Uh, same results. one isn't. Guess what? Uh, same results. one isn't. Guess what? Uh, same results. In fact, the trend is towards the In fact, the trend is towards the In fact, the trend is towards the non-fasting group for muscle gain. non-fasting group for muscle gain. non-fasting group for muscle gain. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And for just overall well-being, >> And for just overall well-being, >> And for just overall well-being, hormones and stuff like that, the trend hormones and stuff like that, the trend hormones and stuff like that, the trend because it's not a huge difference, but because it's not a huge difference, but because it's not a huge difference, but it's a difference. So, there's really no it's a difference. So, there's really no it's a difference. So, there's really no benefit. People talk about cell benefit. People talk about cell benefit. People talk about cell autophagy. You know, this is when your autophagy. You know, this is when your autophagy. You know, this is when your your cells are clearing out waste and, your cells are clearing out waste and, your cells are clearing out waste and, >> you know, rec. Guess what? A calorie >> you know, rec. Guess what? A calorie >> you know, rec. Guess what? A calorie deficit does that, too. I know. All deficit does that, too. I know. All deficit does that, too. I know. All right, real quick. If you love us like right, real quick. If you love us like right, real quick. If you love us like we love you, why not show up by rocking we love you, why not show up by rocking we love you, why not show up by rocking one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or training gear over at mypumpstore.com. training gear over at mypumpstore.com. training gear over at mypumpstore.com. I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mypumpstore.com. 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Here comes the show. >> Not only that, but it's like if you if >> Not only that, but it's like if you if >> Not only that, but it's like if you if you really are doing it for that, then you really are doing it for that, then you really are doing it for that, then do do it once a month for 24 hours. do do it once a month for 24 hours. do do it once a month for 24 hours. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like don't do it for fat. Like if if you >> Like don't do it for fat. Like if if you >> Like don't do it for fat. Like if if you want all the neurological benefits that want all the neurological benefits that want all the neurological benefits that you're going to get from it, cell you're going to get from it, cell you're going to get from it, cell autophagy stuff like the psychological autophagy stuff like the psychological autophagy stuff like the psychological benefits and everything else removing benefits and everything else removing benefits and everything else removing yourself from the dayto-day like always yourself from the dayto-day like always yourself from the dayto-day like always having to eat. But what I'm trying to having to eat. But what I'm trying to having to eat. But what I'm trying to say to you, Adam, is that uh the data say to you, Adam, is that uh the data say to you, Adam, is that uh the data shows it doesn't produce any better shows it doesn't produce any better shows it doesn't produce any better results than a calorie restrict. results than a calorie restrict. results than a calorie restrict. >> I know, but I mean and I know that V I >> I know, but I mean and I know that V I >> I know, but I mean and I know that V I know Valter Longo did the the fasting know Valter Longo did the the fasting know Valter Longo did the the fasting mimicking diet and showed all this mimicking diet and showed all this mimicking diet and showed all this research and you know, just eat 500 research and you know, just eat 500 research and you know, just eat 500 calories for a week, calories for a week, calories for a week, >> but I mean I would I would just I would >> but I mean I would I would just I would >> but I mean I would I would just I would say I would I personally think that say I would I personally think that say I would I personally think that >> you hit it hard or something. >> you hit it hard or something. >> you hit it hard or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. 24 hours of no food is >> Yeah. Yeah. 24 hours of no food is >> Yeah. Yeah. 24 hours of no food is easier than 500 calories for for seven easier than 500 calories for for seven easier than 500 calories for for seven days in my opinion. Like I think I think days in my opinion. Like I think I think days in my opinion. Like I think I think restricting for seven days in a row 500 restricting for seven days in a row 500 restricting for seven days in a row 500 calories where it's just like hey I'm calories where it's just like hey I'm calories where it's just like hey I'm not eating for 24 hours. Let's get those not eating for 24 hours. Let's get those not eating for 24 hours. Let's get those great benefits uh that we're talking great benefits uh that we're talking great benefits uh that we're talking about. Also detach from things, get the about. Also detach from things, get the about. Also detach from things, get the spiritual benefits, whatever. spiritual benefits, whatever. spiritual benefits, whatever. >> Um and then that and then go back to >> Um and then that and then go back to >> Um and then that and then go back to eating normal. It's the intermittent eating normal. It's the intermittent eating normal. It's the intermittent fasting that I'm not a fan of. It's just fasting that I'm not a fan of. It's just fasting that I'm not a fan of. It's just like that's the daily this is what I do. like that's the daily this is what I do. like that's the daily this is what I do. And it it I think what Justin brought And it it I think what Justin brought And it it I think what Justin brought up, it just becomes like a excuse to up, it just becomes like a excuse to up, it just becomes like a excuse to just skip breakfast and do it do it that just skip breakfast and do it do it that just skip breakfast and do it do it that way because it's easy to not eat in the way because it's easy to not eat in the way because it's easy to not eat in the morning for a lot of people. The irony morning for a lot of people. The irony morning for a lot of people. The irony is if you're going to put restrictions is if you're going to put restrictions is if you're going to put restrictions on your on your eating and you're like, on your on your eating and you're like, on your on your eating and you're like, I don't care what you guys say, it's I don't care what you guys say, it's I don't care what you guys say, it's better for me. I need to have hard better for me. I need to have hard better for me. I need to have hard lines, lines, lines, >> you'd be better off doing than the >> you'd be better off doing than the >> you'd be better off doing than the evening later. evening later. evening later. >> You're better off eating in the during >> You're better off eating in the during >> You're better off eating in the during the day and then cutting it off, the day and then cutting it off, the day and then cutting it off, >> which by the way would present a >> which by the way would present a >> which by the way would present a challenge for a lot of people because a challenge for a lot of people because a challenge for a lot of people because a lot of people have a hard time eating lot of people have a hard time eating lot of people have a hard time eating high protein for breakfast. high protein for breakfast. high protein for breakfast. >> That's right. Or they're on the run. >> That's right. Or they're on the run. >> That's right. Or they're on the run. They're in the run. They're they're They're in the run. They're they're They're in the run. They're they're rushing. Yes. rushing. Yes. rushing. Yes. >> But you're better off if you if you're >> But you're better off if you if you're >> But you're better off if you if you're going to do this, which I don't even going to do this, which I don't even going to do this, which I don't even think you need. I don't think you should think you need. I don't think you should think you need. I don't think you should do this at all, but if you're going to do this at all, but if you're going to do this at all, but if you're going to and your heart set on it, you're better and your heart set on it, you're better and your heart set on it, you're better off eating the high protein breakfast, off eating the high protein breakfast, off eating the high protein breakfast, get that blood glucose control, cutting get that blood glucose control, cutting get that blood glucose control, cutting it off at 6 p.m., you'll get better it off at 6 p.m., you'll get better it off at 6 p.m., you'll get better sleep that Also just like okay I mean sleep that Also just like okay I mean sleep that Also just like okay I mean you I you always go the the research and you I you always go the the research and you I you always go the the research and science stuff which I I think I know our science stuff which I I think I know our science stuff which I I think I know our audience appreciates but just audience appreciates but just audience appreciates but just anecdotally with clients u this is why anecdotally with clients u this is why anecdotally with clients u this is why and if you've listened to mindful for a and if you've listened to mindful for a and if you've listened to mindful for a very long time I was the big advocate very long time I was the big advocate very long time I was the big advocate and would deate we used to break up we and would deate we used to break up we and would deate we used to break up we used to debunk the myth about yes used to debunk the myth about yes used to debunk the myth about yes >> small meals >> small meals >> small meals >> six small meals and I used to advocate >> six small meals and I used to advocate >> six small meals and I used to advocate still for and argue for it not because still for and argue for it not because still for and argue for it not because of the science and it's burning any more of the science and it's burning any more of the science and it's burning any more body fat and what we used to say as body fat and what we used to say as body fat and what we used to say as 20-year-old trainers it's like stoking 20-year-old trainers it's like stoking 20-year-old trainers it's like stoking fire and like that's all [ __ ] and fire and like that's all [ __ ] and fire and like that's all [ __ ] and I'm very aware of that. Yet I still I'm very aware of that. Yet I still I'm very aware of that. Yet I still advocated for clients doing that cuz advocated for clients doing that cuz advocated for clients doing that cuz what I found what I found what I found >> is that when clients were like regularly >> is that when clients were like regularly >> is that when clients were like regularly eating every 2 to three hours and they eating every 2 to three hours and they eating every 2 to three hours and they never allowed themselves to get really never allowed themselves to get really never allowed themselves to get really hungry, they just had better hungry, they just had better hungry, they just had better self-control. And I I'm the same way self-control. And I I'm the same way self-control. And I I'm the same way too. Even if I'm not practicing too. Even if I'm not practicing too. Even if I'm not practicing intermittent fasting, if I just miss intermittent fasting, if I just miss intermittent fasting, if I just miss breakfast and I don't get my first meal breakfast and I don't get my first meal breakfast and I don't get my first meal till like 11 or noon and I'm kind of till like 11 or noon and I'm kind of till like 11 or noon and I'm kind of behind all day, behind all day, behind all day, >> well by later evening at 10:00 at night, >> well by later evening at 10:00 at night, >> well by later evening at 10:00 at night, I'm like ravenous. I'm craving. I'm more I'm like ravenous. I'm craving. I'm more I'm like ravenous. I'm craving. I'm more likely to make bad decision likely to make bad decision likely to make bad decision >> and then I make and then I make bad >> and then I make and then I make bad >> and then I make and then I make bad whereas if I'm like I get up I make sure whereas if I'm like I get up I make sure whereas if I'm like I get up I make sure I have my my first my first meal early I have my my first my first meal early I have my my first my first meal early and then I'm having another meal by 10:1 and then I'm having another meal by 10:1 and then I'm having another meal by 10:1 then I have another meal I do if I'm then I have another meal I do if I'm then I have another meal I do if I'm like doing it every 2 to three hours like doing it every 2 to three hours like doing it every 2 to three hours come dinner time I have a very modest come dinner time I have a very modest come dinner time I have a very modest dinner I feel satisfied I I can cut it dinner I feel satisfied I I can cut it dinner I feel satisfied I I can cut it off before bed and I go and I have found off before bed and I go and I have found off before bed and I go and I have found that with clients also the clients that that with clients also the clients that that with clients also the clients that try and restrict these windows and stuff try and restrict these windows and stuff try and restrict these windows and stuff like that maybe they have a little like that maybe they have a little like that maybe they have a little temporary success but they're also the temporary success but they're also the temporary success but they're also the ones that are more likely to binge and ones that are more likely to binge and ones that are more likely to binge and make bad choices later in the evening. make bad choices later in the evening. make bad choices later in the evening. >> Yeah. you have to be careful with >> Yeah. you have to be careful with >> Yeah. you have to be careful with studies is when you look at a stud studies is when you look at a stud studies is when you look at a stud they're they're they're >> controlling, >> controlling, >> controlling, >> right? And not only that, but you look >> right? And not only that, but you look >> right? And not only that, but you look at a study and then you see a result. Uh at a study and then you see a result. Uh at a study and then you see a result. Uh it's important to get into the study and it's important to get into the study and it's important to get into the study and figure out what's causing the result. So figure out what's causing the result. So figure out what's causing the result. So like the benefits that they'll show with like the benefits that they'll show with like the benefits that they'll show with fasting are real, but they're not from fasting are real, but they're not from fasting are real, but they're not from the fasting. They're they're coming from the fasting. They're they're coming from the fasting. They're they're coming from the calorie restriction. the calorie restriction. the calorie restriction. >> Okay? So it's not the fasting. It's not >> Okay? So it's not the fasting. It's not >> Okay? So it's not the fasting. It's not that I'm not eating for eight hours. that I'm not eating for eight hours. that I'm not eating for eight hours. It's that my calories are really low. It's that my calories are really low. It's that my calories are really low. And for depending on the individual and And for depending on the individual and And for depending on the individual and how long you do this cuz you keep this how long you do this cuz you keep this how long you do this cuz you keep this long up long enough not great either. long up long enough not great either. long up long enough not great either. But for for for a lot of people uh But for for for a lot of people uh But for for for a lot of people uh restricting calories for a little bit I restricting calories for a little bit I restricting calories for a little bit I mean you get a lot of uh health benefits mean you get a lot of uh health benefits mean you get a lot of uh health benefits reduce inflammation higher BDNF in the reduce inflammation higher BDNF in the reduce inflammation higher BDNF in the brain improved you know accelerated cell brain improved you know accelerated cell brain improved you know accelerated cell autophagy anti-cancer all those autophagy anti-cancer all those autophagy anti-cancer all those different things but it's not the different things but it's not the different things but it's not the fasting it's the caloric restriction. So fasting it's the caloric restriction. So fasting it's the caloric restriction. So this is what's real important to look this is what's real important to look this is what's real important to look at. So fasting again in my experience uh at. So fasting again in my experience uh at. So fasting again in my experience uh unless I'm dealing with those three unless I'm dealing with those three unless I'm dealing with those three people that I listed earlier like people that I listed earlier like people that I listed earlier like spiritual reasons uh bigexia or gut spiritual reasons uh bigexia or gut spiritual reasons uh bigexia or gut health issues uh my the the success rate health issues uh my the the success rate health issues uh my the the success rate with fasting for clients for fat loss or with fasting for clients for fat loss or with fasting for clients for fat loss or anything else is is literally as bad as anything else is is literally as bad as anything else is is literally as bad as any other diet. any other diet. any other diet. >> It's got the same fail rate. Uh in fact >> It's got the same fail rate. Uh in fact >> It's got the same fail rate. Uh in fact I would say it's uh a faster track I would say it's uh a faster track I would say it's uh a faster track towards disordered eating than the other towards disordered eating than the other towards disordered eating than the other uh than some of the other uh diets uh than some of the other uh diets uh than some of the other uh diets except for the extreme ones. Uh you're except for the extreme ones. Uh you're except for the extreme ones. Uh you're going to create some disordered eating going to create some disordered eating going to create some disordered eating eating by the way the people eating by the way the people eating by the way the people >> even with gut issues. I mean, I I think >> even with gut issues. I mean, I I think >> even with gut issues. I mean, I I think even like the elimination diet where you even like the elimination diet where you even like the elimination diet where you start just extracting, you know, one start just extracting, you know, one start just extracting, you know, one item at a time so you can really item at a time so you can really item at a time so you can really evaluate, you know, what what your body evaluate, you know, what what your body evaluate, you know, what what your body doesn't agree with the most and and but doesn't agree with the most and and but doesn't agree with the most and and but still the consistency of, you know, still the consistency of, you know, still the consistency of, you know, having routine. I think the body just it having routine. I think the body just it having routine. I think the body just it performs so much better when you just performs so much better when you just performs so much better when you just give it that kind of like hardline give it that kind of like hardline give it that kind of like hardline routine as opposed to this intermittent routine as opposed to this intermittent routine as opposed to this intermittent uh, you know, throwing things at And uh, you know, throwing things at And uh, you know, throwing things at And what makes me like really annoyed with what makes me like really annoyed with what makes me like really annoyed with this is that often times these articles this is that often times these articles this is that often times these articles are presented by scientists are presented by scientists are presented by scientists and so they have like all this and so they have like all this and so they have like all this authority. Uh but but none of them are authority. Uh but but none of them are authority. Uh but but none of them are none of them have coached and trained none of them have coached and trained none of them have coached and trained people for years. people for years. people for years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And and if they were just took a little >> And and if they were just took a little >> And and if they were just took a little extra time and compared it to just extra time and compared it to just extra time and compared it to just regular calorie restriction, they would regular calorie restriction, they would regular calorie restriction, they would see see see >> there's no real benefit uh to fasting >> there's no real benefit uh to fasting >> there's no real benefit uh to fasting aside from the fact that it restricts aside from the fact that it restricts aside from the fact that it restricts calories. And again, just for somebody calories. And again, just for somebody calories. And again, just for somebody listening, because there's people out listening, because there's people out listening, because there's people out there like, "No, I need hard lines." there like, "No, I need hard lines." there like, "No, I need hard lines." Like, you don't understand. I need like Like, you don't understand. I need like Like, you don't understand. I need like structured eating. For me, that's the structured eating. For me, that's the structured eating. For me, that's the best way to best way to best way to >> get going because I don't think it's a >> get going because I don't think it's a >> get going because I don't think it's a great way to live forever, but maybe for great way to live forever, but maybe for great way to live forever, but maybe for you, it's a great way to get going on you, it's a great way to get going on you, it's a great way to get going on figuring this out. Uh you're far better figuring this out. Uh you're far better figuring this out. Uh you're far better off restricting in the evening uh from a off restricting in the evening uh from a off restricting in the evening uh from a health perspective uh than you are in health perspective uh than you are in health perspective uh than you are in the morning. In the morning, it's the morning. In the morning, it's the morning. In the morning, it's actually the worst time uh to restrict. actually the worst time uh to restrict. actually the worst time uh to restrict. >> I mean, this is why I advocate for the >> I mean, this is why I advocate for the >> I mean, this is why I advocate for the six small meal. There's also a six small meal. There's also a six small meal. There's also a psychological part of that. I think that psychological part of that. I think that psychological part of that. I think that we there's always that angle, too. Like we there's always that angle, too. Like we there's always that angle, too. Like >> that's the biggest angle ever. >> that's the biggest angle ever. >> that's the biggest angle ever. >> Yeah. When you you you prep these meals, >> Yeah. When you you you prep these meals, >> Yeah. When you you you prep these meals, you have the you have a good choice you have the you have a good choice you have the you have a good choice ready for you. It's like it's easier to ready for you. It's like it's easier to ready for you. It's like it's easier to make that choice then you're not make that choice then you're not make that choice then you're not prepared. You don't have a you don't prepared. You don't have a you don't prepared. You don't have a you don't have a meal. You're on the go. You've have a meal. You're on the go. You've have a meal. You're on the go. You've also fasted now for 12 hours. It's like, also fasted now for 12 hours. It's like, also fasted now for 12 hours. It's like, man, you want to talk about really man, you want to talk about really man, you want to talk about really having to white knuckle some situations having to white knuckle some situations having to white knuckle some situations like that. And then heaven forbid you like that. And then heaven forbid you like that. And then heaven forbid you have one day that week you also had bad have one day that week you also had bad have one day that week you also had bad night's sleep. Yeah. night's sleep. Yeah. night's sleep. Yeah. >> So now you got a bad night's sleep >> So now you got a bad night's sleep >> So now you got a bad night's sleep thrown in there also. So like you just thrown in there also. So like you just thrown in there also. So like you just it's like it's inevitably it's going to it's like it's inevitably it's going to it's like it's inevitably it's going to break. break. break. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> And then when it does it's just >> And then when it does it's just >> And then when it does it's just >> and I'll say this look if if diet was >> and I'll say this look if if diet was >> and I'll say this look if if diet was X's and O's, what's good and what's bad. X's and O's, what's good and what's bad. X's and O's, what's good and what's bad. If it was that easy, there would be no If it was that easy, there would be no If it was that easy, there would be no nobody would have any issues with their nobody would have any issues with their nobody would have any issues with their diet. It would be simple. But the the diet. It would be simple. But the the diet. It would be simple. But the the the thing is diet is so much less of the the thing is diet is so much less of the the thing is diet is so much less of the do this, do that, here's the right diet, do this, do that, here's the right diet, do this, do that, here's the right diet, and so much more of the behaviors and and so much more of the behaviors and and so much more of the behaviors and psychology around it. I mean, that's psychology around it. I mean, that's psychology around it. I mean, that's just a fact, you guys. Like, it's it's just a fact, you guys. Like, it's it's just a fact, you guys. Like, it's it's if it was as easy as like, "Let me just if it was as easy as like, "Let me just if it was as easy as like, "Let me just get like the right way to eat, get like the right way to eat, get like the right way to eat, >> would anybody have a problem?" >> would anybody have a problem?" >> would anybody have a problem?" >> No. Then all my all my all my family >> No. Then all my all my all my family >> No. Then all my all my all my family that love chat GBT would all be in great that love chat GBT would all be in great that love chat GBT would all be in great shape. shape. shape. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that's that was the case cuz you >> I mean, that's that was the case cuz you >> I mean, that's that was the case cuz you could chat you could put in all your could chat you could put in all your could chat you could put in all your metrics and say, "Give me all the metrics and say, "Give me all the metrics and say, "Give me all the answers and I'll do it." answers and I'll do it." answers and I'll do it." >> One more one more warning I'll say, and >> One more one more warning I'll say, and >> One more one more warning I'll say, and this is more common in women than men. this is more common in women than men. this is more common in women than men. Far more common. Uh, just because our Far more common. Uh, just because our Far more common. Uh, just because our bodies are more sensitive. Fasting bodies are more sensitive. Fasting bodies are more sensitive. Fasting repeatedly, even if you're eating enough repeatedly, even if you're eating enough repeatedly, even if you're eating enough calories and stuff, does seem to have a calories and stuff, does seem to have a calories and stuff, does seem to have a stress response on people. And I've had stress response on people. And I've had stress response on people. And I've had female clients who just did this and female clients who just did this and female clients who just did this and then over time hormone issues, then over time hormone issues, then over time hormone issues, >> uh, hair falling out, like just didn't >> uh, hair falling out, like just didn't >> uh, hair falling out, like just didn't feel good. They started feeling burnt feel good. They started feeling burnt feel good. They started feeling burnt out, out, out, >> uh, because it can cause prolonged >> uh, because it can cause prolonged >> uh, because it can cause prolonged periods without eating repeated over and periods without eating repeated over and periods without eating repeated over and over and over again over and over again over and over again >> does uh, cause a bit of a stress >> does uh, cause a bit of a stress >> does uh, cause a bit of a stress response. And you see this in in blood response. And you see this in in blood response. And you see this in in blood markers. you'll see, you know, markers. you'll see, you know, markers. you'll see, you know, catakolamines rise, cortisol rise, and catakolamines rise, cortisol rise, and catakolamines rise, cortisol rise, and you just do that over time, especially you just do that over time, especially you just do that over time, especially if you combine it with exercise and a if you combine it with exercise and a if you combine it with exercise and a busy, you know, you know, lifestyle. busy, you know, you know, lifestyle. busy, you know, you know, lifestyle. Probably not a good idea uh for most Probably not a good idea uh for most Probably not a good idea uh for most people. Speaking of which, speaking of people. Speaking of which, speaking of people. Speaking of which, speaking of studies studies studies >> that people don't uh just misconstrue, >> that people don't uh just misconstrue, >> that people don't uh just misconstrue, another study came out on GLP uh another study came out on GLP uh another study came out on GLP uh medicines and it's flying everywhere and medicines and it's flying everywhere and medicines and it's flying everywhere and people are just so uh it's a little bit people are just so uh it's a little bit people are just so uh it's a little bit um frustrating. um frustrating. um frustrating. >> Yeah. study came out that showed that >> Yeah. study came out that showed that >> Yeah. study came out that showed that there was a significant uh correlation there was a significant uh correlation there was a significant uh correlation between GLP usage and bone weakening. between GLP usage and bone weakening. between GLP usage and bone weakening. >> Okay, so now people like, "Oh my god, >> Okay, so now people like, "Oh my god, >> Okay, so now people like, "Oh my god, GLPs, they're bad for your bones." GLPs, they're bad for your bones." GLPs, they're bad for your bones." >> It's massive calorie restriction. >> It's massive calorie restriction. >> It's massive calorie restriction. >> No, man. People on GLOP are just not >> No, man. People on GLOP are just not >> No, man. People on GLOP are just not eating enough. That's very predictable. eating enough. That's very predictable. eating enough. That's very predictable. >> Uh you if you don't eat enough, you're >> Uh you if you don't eat enough, you're >> Uh you if you don't eat enough, you're going to lose muscle eventually. Bone going to lose muscle eventually. Bone going to lose muscle eventually. Bone mass, uh tendon and ligament strength mass, uh tendon and ligament strength mass, uh tendon and ligament strength will go down. Uh hair will go down. will go down. Uh hair will go down. will go down. Uh hair will go down. you'll notice uh saggy skin you'll notice uh saggy skin you'll notice uh saggy skin >> on your face, all this, you know, ompic >> on your face, all this, you know, ompic >> on your face, all this, you know, ompic face, all the stuff they talk about. face, all the stuff they talk about. face, all the stuff they talk about. >> It's uh it's just because people are >> It's uh it's just because people are >> It's uh it's just because people are >> doing it wrong. >> doing it wrong. >> doing it wrong. >> They're they're hammering their appetite >> They're they're hammering their appetite >> They're they're hammering their appetite with GLPs and eating 1,000 calories a with GLPs and eating 1,000 calories a with GLPs and eating 1,000 calories a day. And that's what's going to happen. day. And that's what's going to happen. day. And that's what's going to happen. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> When you do that for a long time. >> When you do that for a long time. >> When you do that for a long time. >> I'm watching I won't I won't name the >> I'm watching I won't I won't name the >> I'm watching I won't I won't name the family member that I have going through family member that I have going through family member that I have going through this right now, but I'm watching kind of this right now, but I'm watching kind of this right now, but I'm watching kind of the the dark side or the the bad side of the the dark side or the the bad side of the the dark side or the the bad side of these JLP ones. I've seen a lot of good these JLP ones. I've seen a lot of good these JLP ones. I've seen a lot of good examples of like it's we we've obviously examples of like it's we we've obviously examples of like it's we we've obviously had callers and and we took groups had callers and and we took groups had callers and and we took groups through and so we've seen um like the through and so we've seen um like the through and so we've seen um like the the radical change that somebody's gone the radical change that somebody's gone the radical change that somebody's gone through and how awesome it's been and through and how awesome it's been and through and how awesome it's been and how powerful it can be for people with how powerful it can be for people with how powerful it can be for people with with behaviors and to break those chains with behaviors and to break those chains with behaviors and to break those chains and all those things. Um I I don't I and all those things. Um I I don't I and all those things. Um I I don't I don't know where I stand. I think I don't know where I stand. I think I don't know where I stand. I think I argued pretty strongly on the podcast argued pretty strongly on the podcast argued pretty strongly on the podcast early on that I felt it would be a net early on that I felt it would be a net early on that I felt it would be a net positive for sure from it. I go back and positive for sure from it. I go back and positive for sure from it. I go back and forth especially when I have situations forth especially when I have situations forth especially when I have situations that are really close to me uh my own that are really close to me uh my own that are really close to me uh my own experience than uh having like a family experience than uh having like a family experience than uh having like a family member that I'm watching like just like member that I'm watching like just like member that I'm watching like just like drop like 60 70 pounds or whatever. The drop like 60 70 pounds or whatever. The drop like 60 70 pounds or whatever. The thing that I'm I'm most fascinated with thing that I'm I'm most fascinated with thing that I'm I'm most fascinated with that um I should know better. I should that um I should know better. I should that um I should know better. I should know that uh even though I I said when I know that uh even though I I said when I know that uh even though I I said when I went through it I took my trainer brain went through it I took my trainer brain went through it I took my trainer brain out of it. There's still part of that out of it. There's still part of that out of it. There's still part of that that I can't eliminate. Right? Like for that I can't eliminate. Right? Like for that I can't eliminate. Right? Like for example, example, example, because of uh who I am and how long I've because of uh who I am and how long I've because of uh who I am and how long I've done this for, I have a healthy done this for, I have a healthy done this for, I have a healthy relationship with food. So for example, relationship with food. So for example, relationship with food. So for example, one of the things that I was so one of the things that I was so one of the things that I was so fascinated with the GLP1s, I thought it fascinated with the GLP1s, I thought it fascinated with the GLP1s, I thought it was like just no desire for junk food. was like just no desire for junk food. was like just no desire for junk food. In fact, I could feel my body craving In fact, I could feel my body craving In fact, I could feel my body craving nutrient-dense foods because I needed it nutrient-dense foods because I needed it nutrient-dense foods because I needed it so bad. Like I felt so deprived. It was so bad. Like I felt so deprived. It was so bad. Like I felt so deprived. It was just like all I wanted was chicken, just like all I wanted was chicken, just like all I wanted was chicken, steak, and rice or something that like steak, and rice or something that like steak, and rice or something that like felt like it was of value. like things felt like it was of value. like things felt like it was of value. like things that were just garbage. One, didn't that were just garbage. One, didn't that were just garbage. One, didn't taste the same anymore, were bland, and taste the same anymore, were bland, and taste the same anymore, were bland, and didn't didn't feed me or feel that. didn't didn't feed me or feel that. didn't didn't feed me or feel that. Watching somebody who has had a really Watching somebody who has had a really Watching somebody who has had a really bad relationship with food for a really bad relationship with food for a really bad relationship with food for a really long time, it's wild to see that they long time, it's wild to see that they long time, it's wild to see that they still keep grabbing the fire Cheetos. still keep grabbing the fire Cheetos. still keep grabbing the fire Cheetos. >> And it's like way less and then and then >> And it's like way less and then and then >> And it's like way less and then and then like on the toilet like just destroyed like on the toilet like just destroyed like on the toilet like just destroyed and then come back and then try ice and then come back and then try ice and then come back and then try ice cream cream cream >> and then and then like and >> and then and then like and >> and then and then like and spite of and then not eat not eat for a spite of and then not eat not eat for a spite of and then not eat not eat for a whole day because going down. They took whole day because going down. They took whole day because going down. They took a shot, right? They took a shot. The the a shot, right? They took a shot. The the a shot, right? They took a shot. The the first two days, no appetite, so almost first two days, no appetite, so almost first two days, no appetite, so almost eat no food. Then finally, day three, eat no food. Then finally, day three, eat no food. Then finally, day three, they can eat a little something. When they can eat a little something. When they can eat a little something. When they finally do want something, oh, let they finally do want something, oh, let they finally do want something, oh, let me try some garbage. me try some garbage. me try some garbage. >> And then it's like, >> And then it's like, >> And then it's like, >> and then on the it's battling the all >> and then on the it's battling the all >> and then on the it's battling the all the side effects. And it's like, the side effects. And it's like, the side effects. And it's like, >> how is that not signaling to you, >> how is that not signaling to you, >> how is that not signaling to you, >> don't do that, like go eat and and yet >> don't do that, like go eat and and yet >> don't do that, like go eat and and yet still going back and and and doing that still going back and and and doing that still going back and and and doing that over and over and over. And I forget over and over and over. And I forget over and over and over. And I forget that I have a a better a healthy that I have a a better a healthy that I have a a better a healthy relationship with food. So it was really relationship with food. So it was really relationship with food. So it was really easy for me. Eat, try one bad thing, easy for me. Eat, try one bad thing, easy for me. Eat, try one bad thing, notice it doesn't feel good, doesn't sit notice it doesn't feel good, doesn't sit notice it doesn't feel good, doesn't sit well. It's like, oh. And then I thought, well. It's like, oh. And then I thought, well. It's like, oh. And then I thought, wow, that's crazy how you just you crave wow, that's crazy how you just you crave wow, that's crazy how you just you crave the nutrition. the nutrition. the nutrition. >> I know different than a lot of eating >> I know different than a lot of eating >> I know different than a lot of eating disorders. disorders. disorders. >> Yes. But if you have people that are >> Yes. But if you have people that are >> Yes. But if you have people that are just are it's so insidious they don't just are it's so insidious they don't just are it's so insidious they don't even realize. It's like I'm watching it even realize. It's like I'm watching it even realize. It's like I'm watching it like and coaching to it and still like and coaching to it and still like and coaching to it and still >> I'm beginning to think that maybe cuz if >> I'm beginning to think that maybe cuz if >> I'm beginning to think that maybe cuz if you look at the medical system you look at the medical system you look at the medical system >> doctors uh well-intentioned uh but not >> doctors uh well-intentioned uh but not >> doctors uh well-intentioned uh but not trained in coaching almost no nutrition trained in coaching almost no nutrition trained in coaching almost no nutrition background and they're prescribing uh background and they're prescribing uh background and they're prescribing uh GLPS to obese people. GLPS to obese people. GLPS to obese people. >> Yeah. uh and uh I think if you look at >> Yeah. uh and uh I think if you look at >> Yeah. uh and uh I think if you look at that and you look at it broadly and the that and you look at it broadly and the that and you look at it broadly and the the negative effects of just eating too the negative effects of just eating too the negative effects of just eating too little including muscle loss uh hormone little including muscle loss uh hormone little including muscle loss uh hormone issues like all those different things issues like all those different things issues like all those different things we may end up with a net like negative we may end up with a net like negative we may end up with a net like negative or flat because or flat because or flat because >> how is there no like standard in terms >> how is there no like standard in terms >> how is there no like standard in terms of like like physicians when they're of like like physicians when they're of like like physicians when they're prescribing this prescribing this prescribing this >> well here's why I'll tell you why having >> well here's why I'll tell you why having >> well here's why I'll tell you why having specific like you have to have program specific like you have to have program specific like you have to have program with this with strength with this with strength with this with strength >> I'll tell you why have to have >> I'll tell you why have to have >> I'll tell you why have to have >> I'll tell you what and this is like this >> I'll tell you what and this is like this >> I'll tell you what and this is like this is more of like what I'm like what it's is more of like what I'm like what it's is more of like what I'm like what it's unfolding to me. Doctor's happy. You unfolding to me. Doctor's happy. You unfolding to me. Doctor's happy. You know why? know why? know why? >> They're losing weight. >> They're losing weight. >> They're losing weight. >> Blood sugar's down, losing weight, like >> Blood sugar's down, losing weight, like >> Blood sugar's down, losing weight, like >> all these other metrics. >> all these other metrics. >> all these other metrics. >> Like all these other markers >> Like all these other markers >> Like all these other markers >> are showing positive because this >> are showing positive because this >> are showing positive because this person's coming from obesity. person's coming from obesity. person's coming from obesity. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so they're not like they're not >> And so they're not like they're not >> And so they're not like they're not measuring bone density and worrying measuring bone density and worrying measuring bone density and worrying about it going downg. about it going downg. about it going downg. >> Yeah. And strength and asking about >> Yeah. And strength and asking about >> Yeah. And strength and asking about that. They're like weight is down, blood that. They're like weight is down, blood that. They're like weight is down, blood sugar levels are down, cholesterol is sugar levels are down, cholesterol is sugar levels are down, cholesterol is down, like fat is down. like, "Oh, we're down, like fat is down. like, "Oh, we're down, like fat is down. like, "Oh, we're >> keep it up." >> keep it up." >> keep it up." >> That's the equivalent of like a plastic >> That's the equivalent of like a plastic >> That's the equivalent of like a plastic surgeon, you know, like, "Oh, yeah. I surgeon, you know, like, "Oh, yeah. I surgeon, you know, like, "Oh, yeah. I can help you get the weight off. I can can help you get the weight off. I can can help you get the weight off. I can help you like there's no like like help you like there's no like like help you like there's no like like long-term health benefit." long-term health benefit." long-term health benefit." >> You know what's going to happen? >> You know what's going to happen? >> You know what's going to happen? >> Cuz they don't think that way though. >> Cuz they don't think that way though. >> Cuz they don't think that way though. >> Well, and also just the way the >> Well, and also just the way the >> Well, and also just the way the industry, the whole medical industry is industry, the whole medical industry is industry, the whole medical industry is organized in the incentives. What's organized in the incentives. What's organized in the incentives. What's going to happen is instead of them going to happen is instead of them going to happen is instead of them because this is the hard way. The hard because this is the hard way. The hard because this is the hard way. The hard way and doctors can't do this. They way and doctors can't do this. They way and doctors can't do this. They don't have time. The hard way is okay, don't have time. The hard way is okay, don't have time. The hard way is okay, we're going to put you on this, but we're going to put you on this, but we're going to put you on this, but we're going to start with a low dose. we're going to start with a low dose. we're going to start with a low dose. We're going to make sure you hit We're going to make sure you hit We're going to make sure you hit protein. I'm going to make sure you protein. I'm going to make sure you protein. I'm going to make sure you strength train. We're going to coach you strength train. We're going to coach you strength train. We're going to coach you and follow you. They're not going to do and follow you. They're not going to do and follow you. They're not going to do that. They can't. So, what it's going to that. They can't. So, what it's going to that. They can't. So, what it's going to look like is the pharma industry is look like is the pharma industry is look like is the pharma industry is going to come out with more drugs to going to come out with more drugs to going to come out with more drugs to stack on top of it to help fight stack on top of it to help fight stack on top of it to help fight >> for sure >> for sure >> for sure >> the other stuff. >> the other stuff. >> the other stuff. >> Yeah. Muscle building side effect. >> Yeah. Muscle building side effect. >> Yeah. Muscle building side effect. >> Yeah. Like all that stuff is going to >> Yeah. Like all that stuff is going to >> Yeah. Like all that stuff is going to throw more stuff on top. throw more stuff on top. throw more stuff on top. >> Well, it makes it even tougher because I >> Well, it makes it even tougher because I >> Well, it makes it even tougher because I think what is it? Is it It's Moro and think what is it? Is it It's Moro and think what is it? Is it It's Moro and Ompic both are preloaded. Ompic both are preloaded. Ompic both are preloaded. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so >> And so >> And so >> there's no modifying the dose. >> there's no modifying the dose. >> there's no modifying the dose. >> Yeah. There's no modifying the dose. >> Yeah. There's no modifying the dose. >> Yeah. There's no modifying the dose. It's just go up. That's like that's It's just go up. That's like that's It's just go up. That's like that's that's what the the dose that they they that's what the the dose that they they that's what the the dose that they they had my family member on was just like had my family member on was just like had my family member on was just like holy [ __ ] completely crushing. holy [ __ ] completely crushing. holy [ __ ] completely crushing. >> And you know why that was was because >> And you know why that was was because >> And you know why that was was because when they first uh put her on it still when they first uh put her on it still when they first uh put her on it still was eating the bad food and some of that was eating the bad food and some of that was eating the bad food and some of that not seeing fast enough weight loss. So not seeing fast enough weight loss. So not seeing fast enough weight loss. So it's like ramp it up it's like ramp it up it's like ramp it up >> you know so ramp it up and then finally >> you know so ramp it up and then finally >> you know so ramp it up and then finally it's like crush the appetite like it's like crush the appetite like it's like crush the appetite like doesn't want to eat for a day or two doesn't want to eat for a day or two doesn't want to eat for a day or two then finally eats a little bit. When then finally eats a little bit. When then finally eats a little bit. When they do eat it's something that's not they do eat it's something that's not they do eat it's something that's not like it's like holy smokes. And you're like it's like holy smokes. And you're like it's like holy smokes. And you're getting this feedback of you go eat the getting this feedback of you go eat the getting this feedback of you go eat the thing and then you're you're tore up on thing and then you're you're tore up on thing and then you're you're tore up on the toilet the toilet the toilet >> but who cares the weight's going down. >> but who cares the weight's going down. >> but who cares the weight's going down. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like it just and but knows knows it's >> Like it just and but knows knows it's >> Like it just and but knows knows it's making them miserable and still making them miserable and still making them miserable and still gravitates to it. So I know that I said gravitates to it. So I know that I said gravitates to it. So I know that I said that I did my best to take my trainer that I did my best to take my trainer that I did my best to take my trainer brain out and experience that so I could brain out and experience that so I could brain out and experience that so I could try and relate to a client as much. But try and relate to a client as much. But try and relate to a client as much. But what I didn't realize until this recent what I didn't realize until this recent what I didn't realize until this recent conversation was conversation was conversation was >> you didn't you didn't allow yourself to >> you didn't you didn't allow yourself to >> you didn't you didn't allow yourself to be sick on the toilet. be sick on the toilet. be sick on the toilet. >> Yeah. I didn't allow myself to be naive >> Yeah. I didn't allow myself to be naive >> Yeah. I didn't allow myself to be naive to what I was feeling and and I like I I to what I was feeling and and I like I I to what I was feeling and and I like I I just went with how I felt and so in my just went with how I felt and so in my just went with how I felt and so in my head I would go like head I would go like head I would go like >> yeah but how you feel and and you're how >> yeah but how you feel and and you're how >> yeah but how you feel and and you're how you're connected to how you feel you're connected to how you feel you're connected to how you feel different different different >> right and I just I I misunderstood the >> right and I just I I misunderstood the >> right and I just I I misunderstood the level and the power of how important level and the power of how important level and the power of how important that is. that is. that is. >> You know what we're going to see is >> You know what we're going to see is >> You know what we're going to see is we're going to see over the years it's we're going to see over the years it's we're going to see over the years it's going to take a while you're going to going to take a while you're going to going to take a while you're going to see um an explosion of osteopenia see um an explosion of osteopenia see um an explosion of osteopenia osteoporosis injuries. You're going to osteoporosis injuries. You're going to osteoporosis injuries. You're going to see IQ drop. you're going to start to see IQ drop. you're going to start to see IQ drop. you're going to start to see IQ because not enough nutrients, see IQ because not enough nutrients, see IQ because not enough nutrients, your brain starts to your brain starts to your brain starts to >> also suffer. Uh it's it's not going to >> also suffer. Uh it's it's not going to >> also suffer. Uh it's it's not going to be good until unless people really be good until unless people really be good until unless people really figure out uh how to do this the right figure out uh how to do this the right figure out uh how to do this the right way. way. way. >> Malnourished and brittle. >> Malnourished and brittle. >> Malnourished and brittle. >> It's it's frustrating. By the way, I got >> It's it's frustrating. By the way, I got >> It's it's frustrating. By the way, I got to say this too. to say this too. to say this too. >> My this is my favorite part of the whole >> My this is my favorite part of the whole >> My this is my favorite part of the whole thing only because uh there's a part of thing only because uh there's a part of thing only because uh there's a part of me that is very uh gets annoyed with me that is very uh gets annoyed with me that is very uh gets annoyed with Hollywood. the whole uh you know uh what Hollywood. the whole uh you know uh what Hollywood. the whole uh you know uh what is what was the movement they were doing is what was the movement they were doing is what was the movement they were doing like body like body like body >> oh yeah body >> oh yeah body >> oh yeah body >> body acceptance movement body positivity >> body acceptance movement body positivity >> body acceptance movement body positivity move through Hollywood gone all those move through Hollywood gone all those move through Hollywood gone all those overweight actors and musicians who were overweight actors and musicians who were overweight actors and musicians who were like promoting like promoting like promoting >> you know healthy at any size and body >> you know healthy at any size and body >> you know healthy at any size and body they're all skinn they're all skinny now they're all skinn they're all skinny now they're all skinn they're all skinny now they all went on on on JLPs and lost they all went on on on JLPs and lost they all went on on on JLPs and lost hella weight all those same people hella weight all those same people hella weight all those same people >> just just remind people that Hollywood >> just just remind people that Hollywood >> just just remind people that Hollywood they don't give a crap about you they're they don't give a crap about you they're they don't give a crap about you they're just going to say whatever they think just going to say whatever they think just going to say whatever they think they're supposed to say type of along they're supposed to say type of along they're supposed to say type of along these lines signs. By the way, this is these lines signs. By the way, this is these lines signs. By the way, this is good news. So, RFK good news. So, RFK good news. So, RFK just took a bunch of So, there was a just took a bunch of So, there was a just took a bunch of So, there was a bunch of peptides. I have a list of them bunch of peptides. I have a list of them bunch of peptides. I have a list of them here. here. here. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Where uh they were not available >> Where uh they were not available >> Where uh they were not available uh uh through compoundingies cuz the FDA uh uh through compoundingies cuz the FDA uh uh through compoundingies cuz the FDA came down and said, "You guys can't came down and said, "You guys can't came down and said, "You guys can't compound these anymore." So, for people compound these anymore." So, for people compound these anymore." So, for people who don't know, who don't know, who don't know, >> you can get um GLPS through your >> you can get um GLPS through your >> you can get um GLPS through your physician, brand name, uh far more physician, brand name, uh far more physician, brand name, uh far more expensive, or you could go through like expensive, or you could go through like expensive, or you could go through like a company like that we work with. If you a company like that we work with. If you a company like that we work with. If you go to np hormones.com, you work with a go to np hormones.com, you work with a go to np hormones.com, you work with a doctor. You still work with a doctor, doctor. You still work with a doctor, doctor. You still work with a doctor, but they work with a compound pharmacy. but they work with a compound pharmacy. but they work with a compound pharmacy. So, it's the equivalent of a generic So, it's the equivalent of a generic So, it's the equivalent of a generic drug versus brand name. Okay? So, it's drug versus brand name. Okay? So, it's drug versus brand name. Okay? So, it's like ibuprofen versus Advil. Same like ibuprofen versus Advil. Same like ibuprofen versus Advil. Same medicine, a little more expensive to go medicine, a little more expensive to go medicine, a little more expensive to go brand name. Same thing. So, compoundies brand name. Same thing. So, compoundies brand name. Same thing. So, compoundies are were able to make all these are were able to make all these are were able to make all these different peptides. FDA said no more. So different peptides. FDA said no more. So different peptides. FDA said no more. So they had to they banned them for a they had to they banned them for a they had to they banned them for a while. RFK reversed that. while. RFK reversed that. while. RFK reversed that. >> So now you can get again original BPC57, >> So now you can get again original BPC57, >> So now you can get again original BPC57, thyosin alpha, thymosin beta, you can thyosin alpha, thymosin beta, you can thyosin alpha, thymosin beta, you can get GHKCU, you can get Epimein, Epalon, get GHKCU, you can get Epimein, Epalon, get GHKCU, you can get Epimein, Epalon, KPV, MC is back, KPV, MC is back, KPV, MC is back, >> CAX and Sanker back, Kiss Pepin, DSIP, >> CAX and Sanker back, Kiss Pepin, DSIP, >> CAX and Sanker back, Kiss Pepin, DSIP, all back now through real compoundies all back now through real compoundies all back now through real compoundies through doctors. So if you go to np through doctors. So if you go to np through doctors. So if you go to np hormones.com you can get all those hormones.com you can get all those hormones.com you can get all those peptides again which were you know for a peptides again which were you know for a peptides again which were you know for a while they're FDA regulatedarmacies uh while they're FDA regulatedarmacies uh while they're FDA regulatedarmacies uh compoundingarmacies weren't able to make compoundingarmacies weren't able to make compoundingarmacies weren't able to make them them them >> good official now they're all back. Yeah >> good official now they're all back. Yeah >> good official now they're all back. Yeah you can get them all now. Yeah I know you can get them all now. Yeah I know you can get them all now. Yeah I know >> that is that is really cool. >> that is that is really cool. >> that is that is really cool. >> I was uh you know recently I've been >> I was uh you know recently I've been >> I was uh you know recently I've been reading this book and and these studies reading this book and and these studies reading this book and and these studies on like um anxiety and depression and on like um anxiety and depression and on like um anxiety and depression and how like community is so important and how like community is so important and how like community is so important and uh how that's probably the real reason uh how that's probably the real reason uh how that's probably the real reason why we're seeing challenges. It's not why we're seeing challenges. It's not why we're seeing challenges. It's not social media. It's not tech. It's that social media. It's not tech. It's that social media. It's not tech. It's that it's replacing it's replacing it's replacing >> these other important things. So, I was >> these other important things. So, I was >> these other important things. So, I was listening more and I heard something so listening more and I heard something so listening more and I heard something so uh it's it's obvious, but when I heard uh it's it's obvious, but when I heard uh it's it's obvious, but when I heard it really was like, whoa, that's that's it really was like, whoa, that's that's it really was like, whoa, that's that's crazy. crazy. crazy. >> We've confused >> We've confused >> We've confused uh like uh breadth of friendships to uh like uh breadth of friendships to uh like uh breadth of friendships to with depth of friendship. So, like I with depth of friendship. So, like I with depth of friendship. So, like I know a lot of people, I have a lot of know a lot of people, I have a lot of know a lot of people, I have a lot of acquaintances. A lot of people know my acquaintances. A lot of people know my acquaintances. A lot of people know my name. I say hi to them. name. I say hi to them. name. I say hi to them. >> Uh and the data shows uh better than >> Uh and the data shows uh better than >> Uh and the data shows uh better than nothing. It's better than being isolated nothing. It's better than being isolated nothing. It's better than being isolated but it pales in comparison to having but it pales in comparison to having but it pales in comparison to having really deep friendships. really deep friendships. really deep friendships. >> It's not even on the same univer and I >> It's not even on the same univer and I >> It's not even on the same univer and I think uh think uh think uh >> inherently we all know that >> inherently we all know that >> inherently we all know that >> without naming names uh the amount of >> without naming names uh the amount of >> without naming names uh the amount of people that we have met in the space people that we have met in the space people that we have met in the space that are that are that are >> Instagram famous or YouTube famous and >> Instagram famous or YouTube famous and >> Instagram famous or YouTube famous and they're surrounded by you know millions they're surrounded by you know millions they're surrounded by you know millions of people following them and and of people following them and and of people following them and and communicating with them. communicating with them. communicating with them. >> Loneliest people >> Loneliest people >> Loneliest people >> are some of the loneliest people we've >> are some of the loneliest people we've >> are some of the loneliest people we've ever met. so lonely. A lot of them ever met. so lonely. A lot of them ever met. so lonely. A lot of them battle depression and and take battle depression and and take battle depression and and take anti-anxiety medication and, you know, anti-anxiety medication and, you know, anti-anxiety medication and, you know, really struggle with this. Yet, you see really struggle with this. Yet, you see really struggle with this. Yet, you see this outward personality online and this outward personality online and this outward personality online and they're always doing stuff with people they're always doing stuff with people they're always doing stuff with people and it's like it's all and it's like it's all and it's like it's all >> this great social life. >> this great social life. >> this great social life. >> Yeah. You you think that they must have >> Yeah. You you think that they must have >> Yeah. You you think that they must have the most social life. Look at all the the most social life. Look at all the the most social life. Look at all the things they do and all the people around things they do and all the people around things they do and all the people around them and all. It's like and then yet them and all. It's like and then yet them and all. It's like and then yet when you actually get to know them in when you actually get to know them in when you actually get to know them in person in a conversation outside of the person in a conversation outside of the person in a conversation outside of the cameras and it's like they just they cameras and it's like they just they cameras and it's like they just they lack depth. They lack connection. They lack depth. They lack connection. They lack depth. They lack connection. They just they don't have any really they just they don't have any really they just they don't have any really they don't have any they call a really close don't have any they call a really close don't have any they call a really close friend and it's like wow it's so wild. friend and it's like wow it's so wild. friend and it's like wow it's so wild. >> Well, one of the reasons why this hit me >> Well, one of the reasons why this hit me >> Well, one of the reasons why this hit me so hard is because uh I wasn't like that so hard is because uh I wasn't like that so hard is because uh I wasn't like that but it was definitely I was definitely but it was definitely I was definitely but it was definitely I was definitely me. Like in the past, I'd have me. Like in the past, I'd have me. Like in the past, I'd have friendships and I'd have family, but I friendships and I'd have family, but I friendships and I'd have family, but I would only let them in so far. Like you would only let them in so far. Like you would only let them in so far. Like you can't I I wouldn't let people in on my can't I I wouldn't let people in on my can't I I wouldn't let people in on my challenges, on my struggles, on my real challenges, on my struggles, on my real challenges, on my struggles, on my real like vulnerable ch to the point when I like vulnerable ch to the point when I like vulnerable ch to the point when I got divorced, you guys notice when I got got divorced, you guys notice when I got got divorced, you guys notice when I got divorced, was it 11, 12 years ago, my divorced, was it 11, 12 years ago, my divorced, was it 11, 12 years ago, my family was shocked. They had no idea. family was shocked. They had no idea. family was shocked. They had no idea. They're like, "What? They're like, "What? They're like, "What? >> What? What do you mean?" Not knowing >> What? What do you mean?" Not knowing >> What? What do you mean?" Not knowing that the last, you know, 10 years was that the last, you know, 10 years was that the last, you know, 10 years was really really really >> right. Because you didn't admit >> right. Because you didn't admit >> right. Because you didn't admit anything. anything. anything. >> I didn't let them in. >> I didn't let them in. >> I didn't let them in. >> And so that's the depth. The depth is >> And so that's the depth. The depth is >> And so that's the depth. The depth is like like do people really know you and like like do people really know you and like like do people really know you and do you really know them? And a few of do you really know them? And a few of do you really know them? And a few of those friendships is like that's worth those friendships is like that's worth those friendships is like that's worth gold. gold. gold. >> What has the uh because you've openly >> What has the uh because you've openly >> What has the uh because you've openly shared this with us and told us this shared this with us and told us this shared this with us and told us this before. What is that before. What is that before. What is that what does that practice or training look what does that practice or training look what does that practice or training look like for you to work on that? like for you to work on that? like for you to work on that? >> Um what does that look like? >> Um what does that look like? >> Um what does that look like? >> Yeah. What does that look? Because >> Yeah. What does that look? Because >> Yeah. What does that look? Because obviously becoming aware of it is step obviously becoming aware of it is step obviously becoming aware of it is step one. That's what I was going to say. one. That's what I was going to say. one. That's what I was going to say. That's number one. That's number one. That's number one. >> Yeah. Step one is you become aware I'm >> Yeah. Step one is you become aware I'm >> Yeah. Step one is you become aware I'm this guy who does this. this guy who does this. this guy who does this. >> Uh step two is how do I get out of that? >> Uh step two is how do I get out of that? >> Uh step two is how do I get out of that? Like are there moments um where you're Like are there moments um where you're Like are there moments um where you're like this is something that I I wouldn't like this is something that I I wouldn't like this is something that I I wouldn't share with my boys. Uh I need to do this share with my boys. Uh I need to do this share with my boys. Uh I need to do this and it's like it's uncomfortable. You and it's like it's uncomfortable. You and it's like it's uncomfortable. You don't want like are you do are you are don't want like are you do are you are don't want like are you do are you are you are you consciously exercising that? you are you consciously exercising that? you are you consciously exercising that? It's still a challenge and I think it's It's still a challenge and I think it's It's still a challenge and I think it's probably a challenge for a lot of guys probably a challenge for a lot of guys probably a challenge for a lot of guys cuz you you don't want to feel like a cuz you you don't want to feel like a cuz you you don't want to feel like a burden. burden. burden. >> You know what I mean? Like I don't want >> You know what I mean? Like I don't want >> You know what I mean? Like I don't want to tell you know this you I don't want I to tell you know this you I don't want I to tell you know this you I don't want I got it. I'm going to handle it. That was got it. I'm going to handle it. That was got it. I'm going to handle it. That was like my mo. like my mo. like my mo. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um uh you know finding faith uh made a >> Um uh you know finding faith uh made a >> Um uh you know finding faith uh made a huge difference on that. Huge difference huge difference on that. Huge difference huge difference on that. Huge difference on that. Um and so now it's much easier on that. Um and so now it's much easier on that. Um and so now it's much easier for me to like communicate challenges for me to like communicate challenges for me to like communicate challenges and issues and even do it publicly. Um and issues and even do it publicly. Um and issues and even do it publicly. Um which actually it's funny publicly it's which actually it's funny publicly it's which actually it's funny publicly it's easier for me than in private. uh which easier for me than in private. uh which easier for me than in private. uh which is also a way of kind of you know is also a way of kind of you know is also a way of kind of you know putting up a wall type of deal right putting up a wall type of deal right putting up a wall type of deal right like I can tell about I can talk about like I can tell about I can talk about like I can tell about I can talk about here but then in person I'm not going to here but then in person I'm not going to here but then in person I'm not going to talk too much about it but uh it's way talk too much about it but uh it's way talk too much about it but uh it's way better now what do you think that is better now what do you think that is better now what do you think that is right there right there right there >> oh I know what that is if if I feel like >> oh I know what that is if if I feel like >> oh I know what that is if if I feel like I'm helping someone else then I can do I'm helping someone else then I can do I'm helping someone else then I can do it it it >> oh interesting >> oh interesting >> oh interesting >> yeah cuz it's not a burden you see so I >> yeah cuz it's not a burden you see so I >> yeah cuz it's not a burden you see so I can do that oh you'll reveal enough but can do that oh you'll reveal enough but can do that oh you'll reveal enough but then they're not going to keep digging then they're not going to keep digging then they're not going to keep digging >> well they also they can't they can't >> well they also they can't they can't >> well they also they can't they can't give any feedback give any feedback give any feedback >> that's what I mean they're not going to >> that's what I mean they're not going to >> that's what I mean they're not going to keep like prying keep like prying keep like prying Well, it's not just that. It's the Well, it's not just that. It's the Well, it's not just that. It's the feeling like a burden part. Like I could feeling like a burden part. Like I could feeling like a burden part. Like I could do it with clients if I like if somebody do it with clients if I like if somebody do it with clients if I like if somebody comes to me with like an eating disorder comes to me with like an eating disorder comes to me with like an eating disorder uh early on. I I I found if I shared uh early on. I I I found if I shared uh early on. I I I found if I shared that I struggled. that I struggled. that I struggled. >> It's also >> It's also >> It's also >> I feel like I'm helping them. >> I feel like I'm helping them. >> I feel like I'm helping them. >> It's also self- serving the ego versus >> It's also self- serving the ego versus >> It's also self- serving the ego versus true vulnerability. true vulnerability. true vulnerability. >> Well, true vulnerability is >> Well, true vulnerability is >> Well, true vulnerability is >> true vulnerability would be putting >> true vulnerability would be putting >> true vulnerability would be putting yourself out there with you said an yourself out there with you said an yourself out there with you said an uncomfortable situation with your uncomfortable situation with your uncomfortable situation with your friends. Doing it to help others is the friends. Doing it to help others is the friends. Doing it to help others is the makes my ego feel better because I'm makes my ego feel better because I'm makes my ego feel better because I'm helping others. helping others. helping others. >> Yeah, I guess you could put it that way. >> Yeah, I guess you could put it that way. >> Yeah, I guess you could put it that way. The other way to think about it is uh um The other way to think about it is uh um The other way to think about it is uh um real vulnerability means uh you get I real vulnerability means uh you get I real vulnerability means uh you get I you I I'm not helping you in any way, you I I'm not helping you in any way, you I I'm not helping you in any way, shape or form. shape or form. shape or form. >> So now I'm really vulnerable, >> So now I'm really vulnerable, >> So now I'm really vulnerable, >> you know, like just about whatever >> you know, like just about whatever >> you know, like just about whatever you're you're you're >> struggling with this and now you got to rely on with this and now you got to rely on someone else. You know what I Well, someone else. You know what I Well, someone else. You know what I Well, especially like you said with men especially like you said with men especially like you said with men because it's like, you know, you don't because it's like, you know, you don't because it's like, you know, you don't want to admit like all these things that want to admit like all these things that want to admit like all these things that are failing, you know, and that's a are failing, you know, and that's a are failing, you know, and that's a really hard thing to come forward with really hard thing to come forward with really hard thing to come forward with that without any other, you know, sort that without any other, you know, sort that without any other, you know, sort of context of how you're fixing it or of context of how you're fixing it or of context of how you're fixing it or how how how >> cuz that's always me. It's like, well, >> cuz that's always me. It's like, well, >> cuz that's always me. It's like, well, I'm working on this and I'm going to fix I'm working on this and I'm going to fix I'm working on this and I'm going to fix this [ __ ] this [ __ ] this [ __ ] >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Totally. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think a lot of guys >> I think a lot of guys >> I think a lot of guys >> like, oh man, I'm really getting, you >> like, oh man, I'm really getting, you >> like, oh man, I'm really getting, you know, I'm sucking at this. know, I'm sucking at this. know, I'm sucking at this. >> Yeah. I think a lot of guys can relate >> Yeah. I think a lot of guys can relate >> Yeah. I think a lot of guys can relate to to that. By the way, uh doing this to to that. By the way, uh doing this to to that. By the way, uh doing this it's I think it's important you have a it's I think it's important you have a it's I think it's important you have a wife and you're and you share with her, wife and you're and you share with her, wife and you're and you share with her, but this is also a natural thing for a but this is also a natural thing for a but this is also a natural thing for a husband that you don't want to burden husband that you don't want to burden husband that you don't want to burden your like let's say you're the the your like let's say you're the the your like let's say you're the the primary bread winner. I'll give a good primary bread winner. I'll give a good primary bread winner. I'll give a good example. You're the you work and your example. You're the you work and your example. You're the you work and your wife stays at home and man, you're wife stays at home and man, you're wife stays at home and man, you're struggling at work and you're like, "Oh struggling at work and you're like, "Oh struggling at work and you're like, "Oh my god, I might lose my job." I I think my god, I might lose my job." I I think my god, I might lose my job." I I think it's honorable to not want to burden her it's honorable to not want to burden her it's honorable to not want to burden her with every one of those uh problems cuz with every one of those uh problems cuz with every one of those uh problems cuz now she's stressed out, too. You want to now she's stressed out, too. You want to now she's stressed out, too. You want to try and make her feel secure. Well, I try and make her feel secure. Well, I try and make her feel secure. Well, I also think that's one of the places also think that's one of the places also think that's one of the places where real val real valuable where real val real valuable where real val real valuable relationship with other men come in relationship with other men come in relationship with other men come in where you need you get to you and I have where you need you get to you and I have where you need you get to you and I have a beard and you're like, "Bro, I think I a beard and you're like, "Bro, I think I a beard and you're like, "Bro, I think I might get fired this and you and I talk might get fired this and you and I talk might get fired this and you and I talk it out and we work about it and like it out and we work about it and like it out and we work about it and like 100%." 100%." 100%." >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rock when you get >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rock when you get >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Rock when you get home. Yeah. That's a thing. home. Yeah. That's a thing. home. Yeah. That's a thing. >> 100%. I was having that discussion with >> 100%. I was having that discussion with >> 100%. I was having that discussion with somebody and they're like, "Oh, yeah. somebody and they're like, "Oh, yeah. somebody and they're like, "Oh, yeah. That's That's That's >> cuz you're right. >> cuz you're right. >> cuz you're right. >> Burdening your wife with every challenge >> Burdening your wife with every challenge >> Burdening your wife with every challenge at work and now she's at home with the at work and now she's at home with the at work and now she's at home with the kids and she's like probably like you kids and she's like probably like you kids and she's like probably like you want to protect her a little bit." Yeah. want to protect her a little bit." Yeah. want to protect her a little bit." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, no, no. I mean, the the the >> Yeah. Well, no, no. I mean, the the the >> Yeah. Well, no, no. I mean, the the the flip, which I think is true in her role, flip, which I think is true in her role, flip, which I think is true in her role, like her burning you with all the things like her burning you with all the things like her burning you with all the things that she's doing at home while you're that she's doing at home while you're that she's doing at home while you're out doing the breadwinning and the money out doing the breadwinning and the money out doing the breadwinning and the money is also is also is also >> it's important for men and women to have >> it's important for men and women to have >> it's important for men and women to have uh that's like that's again that's the uh that's like that's again that's the uh that's like that's again that's the relationship with she she has with her relationship with she she has with her relationship with she she has with her girlfriend that goes like, "Oh my god, girlfriend that goes like, "Oh my god, girlfriend that goes like, "Oh my god, the kids today, they were this or that." the kids today, they were this or that." the kids today, they were this or that." It's like last thing you want to hear It's like last thing you want to hear It's like last thing you want to hear when you're almost about to get fired when you're almost about to get fired when you're almost about to get fired from your job in the middle of the day. from your job in the middle of the day. from your job in the middle of the day. like, "Oh my god, my son the son your like, "Oh my god, my son the son your like, "Oh my god, my son the son your son just did this and broke the son just did this and broke the son just did this and broke the windows." It's like that's not like I windows." It's like that's not like I windows." It's like that's not like I mean it goes both ways. You're right. mean it goes both ways. You're right. mean it goes both ways. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's why there's Yeah. Yeah. That's that's why there's Yeah. Yeah. That's that's why there's got to be value. There's value for both got to be value. There's value for both got to be value. There's value for both sexes having relationships with people. sexes having relationships with people. sexes having relationships with people. I think the the next layer of complexity I think the the next layer of complexity I think the the next layer of complexity is like healthy good ones. is like healthy good ones. is like healthy good ones. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So it's like that's it's like first >> So it's like that's it's like first >> So it's like that's it's like first >> Yeah. That sucks if you have toxic. >> Yeah. That sucks if you have toxic. >> Yeah. That sucks if you have toxic. >> Yeah. Because then then it's like >> Yeah. Because then then it's like >> Yeah. Because then then it's like >> cuz then that's the the other layer to >> cuz then that's the the other layer to >> cuz then that's the the other layer to this is uh it's it's already important this is uh it's it's already important this is uh it's it's already important to have those. But then you also want to have those. But then you also want to have those. But then you also want good and so I I was always this was an good and so I I was always this was an good and so I I was always this was an area that I didn't struggle in. I've area that I didn't struggle in. I've area that I didn't struggle in. I've always had networks of friend. But what always had networks of friend. But what always had networks of friend. But what I've realized as I got older is uh how I've realized as I got older is uh how I've realized as I got older is uh how I've curated that circle. I've curated that circle. I've curated that circle. >> So I I I didn't have a problem. I'm very >> So I I I didn't have a problem. I'm very >> So I I I didn't have a problem. I'm very open. I'm very vulnerable. I'll share open. I'm very vulnerable. I'll share open. I'm very vulnerable. I'll share I'll share that stuff. That wasn't I'll share that stuff. That wasn't I'll share that stuff. That wasn't probably it has something to do with probably it has something to do with probably it has something to do with being raised by a mother and I have that being raised by a mother and I have that being raised by a mother and I have that more of that feminine energy. So I'm more of that feminine energy. So I'm more of that feminine energy. So I'm okay with doing that. But also having okay with doing that. But also having okay with doing that. But also having men that weren't going to pull me up and men that weren't going to pull me up and men that weren't going to pull me up and and push me to be better versus more and push me to be better versus more and push me to be better versus more like, "Oh man, yeah, that sucks or like, "Oh man, yeah, that sucks or like, "Oh man, yeah, that sucks or that's [ __ ] dude." Or, "F her." You that's [ __ ] dude." Or, "F her." You that's [ __ ] dude." Or, "F her." You know, like, you know, like that's not know, like, you know, like that's not know, like, you know, like that's not that's not helping. You know what I'm that's not helping. You know what I'm that's not helping. You know what I'm saying? That's not making me better or saying? That's not making me better or saying? That's not making me better or really go. So, being able to curate that really go. So, being able to curate that really go. So, being able to curate that circle. That's why I I mean, I really do circle. That's why I I mean, I really do circle. That's why I I mean, I really do believe you're an average of the five believe you're an average of the five believe you're an average of the five people you spend the most time with. And people you spend the most time with. And people you spend the most time with. And so, so, so, >> you know, what's a good example of that? >> you know, what's a good example of that? >> you know, what's a good example of that? It'd be like if I was hanging out with a It'd be like if I was hanging out with a It'd be like if I was hanging out with a bunch of uh like uh meatthead bunch of uh like uh meatthead bunch of uh like uh meatthead uh body dysmorphia bodybuilder guys, uh body dysmorphia bodybuilder guys, uh body dysmorphia bodybuilder guys, that's my friends. And then I go to them that's my friends. And then I go to them that's my friends. And then I go to them like, "Guys, I think I'm overdoing it like, "Guys, I think I'm overdoing it like, "Guys, I think I'm overdoing it with my workouts and I think I'm just I with my workouts and I think I'm just I with my workouts and I think I'm just I have a bad No, bro. Go after it, bro. Be have a bad No, bro. Go after it, bro. Be have a bad No, bro. Go after it, bro. Be disable." disable." disable." >> Well, no, that's such a good good point. >> Well, no, that's such a good good point. >> Well, no, that's such a good good point. Such a good point to bring up, S, Such a good point to bring up, S, Such a good point to bring up, S, because because because >> when we're young, especially in our like >> when we're young, especially in our like >> when we're young, especially in our like teenage years and young adult years, you teenage years and young adult years, you teenage years and young adult years, you tend to gravitate to others who have the tend to gravitate to others who have the tend to gravitate to others who have the same insecurities and [ __ ] same insecurities and [ __ ] same insecurities and [ __ ] >> and then you form these bonds >> and then you form these bonds >> and then you form these bonds >> that you have and that so this was me >> that you have and that so this was me >> that you have and that so this was me like I like I I form bonds and loyalty like I like I I form bonds and loyalty like I like I I form bonds and loyalty to a lot of other men that struggle with to a lot of other men that struggle with to a lot of other men that struggle with all the same insecurities and issues and all the same insecurities and issues and all the same insecurities and issues and [ __ ] and so we're all stuck. [ __ ] and so we're all stuck. [ __ ] and so we're all stuck. >> Yeah. You commiserate. >> Yeah. You commiserate. >> Yeah. You commiserate. >> Yeah. and and you don't realize it and >> Yeah. and and you don't realize it and >> Yeah. and and you don't realize it and then you and you justify it because like then you and you justify it because like then you and you justify it because like oh that's my boy. We got into like at oh that's my boy. We got into like at oh that's my boy. We got into like at least five fights together and he's got least five fights together and he's got least five fights together and he's got my back and like you know what I'm my back and like you know what I'm my back and like you know what I'm saying? Like he would die for me. Like saying? Like he would die for me. Like saying? Like he would die for me. Like you that's why uh Goodwill Hunting you that's why uh Goodwill Hunting you that's why uh Goodwill Hunting resonates so much with me. That's like resonates so much with me. That's like resonates so much with me. That's like >> it's all loyalty when you're >> it's all loyalty when you're >> it's all loyalty when you're >> Yeah, it's all it's all loyalty. It's >> Yeah, it's all it's all loyalty. It's >> Yeah, it's all it's all loyalty. It's like you've built this like this this like you've built this like this this like you've built this like this this family unit, but it's it's based and family unit, but it's it's based and family unit, but it's it's based and rooted around these insecurities. rooted around these insecurities. rooted around these insecurities. >> You know, it's a good uh bullwark >> You know, it's a good uh bullwark >> You know, it's a good uh bullwark against that. Um so I I I learned this against that. Um so I I I learned this against that. Um so I I I learned this from our church. We have groups that we from our church. We have groups that we from our church. We have groups that we go to. They have they're really good. go to. They have they're really good. go to. They have they're really good. The church I go has got really good The church I go has got really good The church I go has got really good communities and stuff. And they said, communities and stuff. And they said, communities and stuff. And they said, and I think this is brilliant. You need and I think this is brilliant. You need and I think this is brilliant. You need to have other men in your life, but you to have other men in your life, but you to have other men in your life, but you also need to have men that are in a same also need to have men that are in a same also need to have men that are in a same life st similar life stage. So you got life st similar life stage. So you got life st similar life stage. So you got young kids, you're whatever. You want young kids, you're whatever. You want young kids, you're whatever. You want friends that are like that as well. friends that are like that as well. friends that are like that as well. >> You also want older male friends who are >> You also want older male friends who are >> You also want older male friends who are retired, they they've raised the kids, retired, they they've raised the kids, retired, they they've raised the kids, they're they've gone through all that. they're they've gone through all that. they're they've gone through all that. And then you want men under you that you And then you want men under you that you And then you want men under you that you can mentor. Uh, and they said that that can mentor. Uh, and they said that that can mentor. Uh, and they said that that combination is the best combination is the best combination is the best >> uh for being vulnerable, offering help >> uh for being vulnerable, offering help >> uh for being vulnerable, offering help and stuff. and stuff. and stuff. >> I I I Yeah. And I'd add to that too with >> I I I Yeah. And I'd add to that too with >> I I I Yeah. And I'd add to that too with like if you can do that like if you can do that like if you can do that >> and then find things that that are >> and then find things that that are >> and then find things that that are different that you admire about each of different that you admire about each of different that you admire about each of them. Like I might have my friend who them. Like I might have my friend who them. Like I might have my friend who like just has lots of spiritual wisdom like just has lots of spiritual wisdom like just has lots of spiritual wisdom and he's older and he has this. I love and he's older and he has this. I love and he's older and he has this. I love that. Learn from that. Yeah, I can I I that. Learn from that. Yeah, I can I I that. Learn from that. Yeah, I can I I can learn from that. Then I have can learn from that. Then I have can learn from that. Then I have somebody who's just fiscally super somebody who's just fiscally super somebody who's just fiscally super responsible and done really well for him responsible and done really well for him responsible and done really well for him financially. Then I have my, you know, financially. Then I have my, you know, financially. Then I have my, you know, founder friends. It's like having a founder friends. It's like having a founder friends. It's like having a diverse group and and seeing diverse group and and seeing diverse group and and seeing characteristic characteristics that you characteristic characteristics that you characteristic characteristics that you admire about those other men. Totally. admire about those other men. Totally. admire about those other men. Totally. Cuz you can also have that too cuz Cuz you can also have that too cuz Cuz you can also have that too cuz there's I have I have good close there's I have I have good close there's I have I have good close relationships where relationships where relationships where >> you know maybe that friend I there's >> you know maybe that friend I there's >> you know maybe that friend I there's certain aspects of him that it's like certain aspects of him that it's like certain aspects of him that it's like that's not something I want to get from that's not something I want to get from that's not something I want to get from him, him, him, >> but they have other aspects that I >> but they have other aspects that I >> but they have other aspects that I admire that I go like well that I do admire that I go like well that I do admire that I go like well that I do admire that. admire that. admire that. >> You try to steer the hangouts around the >> You try to steer the hangouts around the >> You try to steer the hangouts around the aspect. aspect. aspect. That's how you really start curating That's how you really start curating That's how you really start curating that. And I too I always gauge it based that. And I too I always gauge it based that. And I too I always gauge it based off of like, you know, is this filling off of like, you know, is this filling off of like, you know, is this filling me up or is this draining me down, you me up or is this draining me down, you me up or is this draining me down, you know? And like that's after I leave to know? And like that's after I leave to know? And like that's after I leave to hang out, it's like, okay, well, I have hang out, it's like, okay, well, I have hang out, it's like, okay, well, I have to evaluate that and what was that? And to evaluate that and what was that? And to evaluate that and what was that? And so then you kind of start to curate a so then you kind of start to curate a so then you kind of start to curate a better environment that brings out more better environment that brings out more better environment that brings out more of the positives. I remember as a young of the positives. I remember as a young of the positives. I remember as a young dad cuz you know I have older kids so at dad cuz you know I have older kids so at dad cuz you know I have older kids so at one point I was kind of a young dad and one point I was kind of a young dad and one point I was kind of a young dad and I'd have buddies that were still single I'd have buddies that were still single I'd have buddies that were still single and they were the worst for any kind of and they were the worst for any kind of and they were the worst for any kind of advice or or anything around that advice or or anything around that advice or or anything around that because they didn't understand they had because they didn't understand they had because they didn't understand they had all the that quote unquote freedom in all the that quote unquote freedom in all the that quote unquote freedom in the world or whatever. the world or whatever. the world or whatever. >> But being friends with other younger >> But being friends with other younger >> But being friends with other younger dads was great because they're in the dads was great because they're in the dads was great because they're in the same thing. They have the same same thing. They have the same same thing. They have the same priorities. So now you guys are imagine priorities. So now you guys are imagine priorities. So now you guys are imagine you're coaching your your young, you you're coaching your your young, you you're coaching your your young, you know, teenage sons, um, that are getting know, teenage sons, um, that are getting know, teenage sons, um, that are getting into young being young men and young into young being young men and young into young being young men and young adults and this is they're this is adults and this is they're this is adults and this is they're this is starting to click for them. They starting to click for them. They starting to click for them. They understand this and they might not be understand this and they might not be understand this and they might not be there yet, but they're they're starting there yet, but they're they're starting there yet, but they're they're starting to and they go, "Well, how do I do that, to and they go, "Well, how do I do that, to and they go, "Well, how do I do that, Dad?" Like, how do you coach them to Dad?" Like, how do you coach them to Dad?" Like, how do you coach them to curate that? What does that look like? curate that? What does that look like? curate that? What does that look like? Because I know that's what when we talk Because I know that's what when we talk Because I know that's what when we talk about things like this, I I get DMs all about things like this, I I get DMs all about things like this, I I get DMs all the time about this. It's like, the time about this. It's like, the time about this. It's like, >> okay, I get that this is important, but >> okay, I get that this is important, but >> okay, I get that this is important, but like, and a lot of people think of it as like, and a lot of people think of it as like, and a lot of people think of it as like it's this breakup. Like, they got like it's this breakup. Like, they got like it's this breakup. Like, they got you, okay, I realize these are my toxic you, okay, I realize these are my toxic you, okay, I realize these are my toxic friends that we, you know, that we grew friends that we, you know, that we grew friends that we, you know, that we grew up in high school together and stuff up in high school together and stuff up in high school together and stuff like that, and I need to evolve past like that, and I need to evolve past like that, and I need to evolve past that, but they have they really struggle that, but they have they really struggle that, but they have they really struggle with it. So, what do I have to have a with it. So, what do I have to have a with it. So, what do I have to have a breakup conversation? And then how do I breakup conversation? And then how do I breakup conversation? And then how do I get that? get that? get that? >> It's a lot like our nutrition >> It's a lot like our nutrition >> It's a lot like our nutrition conversations where you're seeking out, conversations where you're seeking out, conversations where you're seeking out, you know, better nutritious foods. like you know, better nutritious foods. like you know, better nutritious foods. like I'm seeking out better friends that uh I'm seeking out better friends that uh I'm seeking out better friends that uh can mentor me or have some something to can mentor me or have some something to can mentor me or have some something to offer that's even better. And it's like offer that's even better. And it's like offer that's even better. And it's like you just it just naturally starts to you just it just naturally starts to you just it just naturally starts to gravitate more of your time. you're not gravitate more of your time. you're not gravitate more of your time. you're not completely disregarding, you know, that completely disregarding, you know, that completely disregarding, you know, that that friend group and maybe there's some that friend group and maybe there's some that friend group and maybe there's some value still there. But then that's where value still there. But then that's where value still there. But then that's where you look at that friend group like, you look at that friend group like, you look at that friend group like, well, how can I create and foster an well, how can I create and foster an well, how can I create and foster an environment where, you know, the best environment where, you know, the best environment where, you know, the best aspects of them, you know, I can enjoy aspects of them, you know, I can enjoy aspects of them, you know, I can enjoy with them, but like I'm not just doing with them, but like I'm not just doing with them, but like I'm not just doing it as frequently as I was, it as frequently as I was, it as frequently as I was, >> right? I'm not I love that. I love the >> right? I'm not I love that. I love the >> right? I'm not I love that. I love the idea of giving that analogy like how we idea of giving that analogy like how we idea of giving that analogy like how we coach people with nutrition instead of coach people with nutrition instead of coach people with nutrition instead of thinking about cutting out thinking about cutting out thinking about cutting out >> more. Yeah. add more to where it's just >> more. Yeah. add more to where it's just >> more. Yeah. add more to where it's just it becomes a small amount of your time it becomes a small amount of your time it becomes a small amount of your time and then that time is focused on maybe and then that time is focused on maybe and then that time is focused on maybe the connection that you have with them. the connection that you have with them. the connection that you have with them. >> And the other thing too with teenage >> And the other thing too with teenage >> And the other thing too with teenage boys is often times the older mentor it boys is often times the older mentor it boys is often times the older mentor it can be dad but often times it's a coach can be dad but often times it's a coach can be dad but often times it's a coach like really good coaches do a good job like really good coaches do a good job like really good coaches do a good job of mentoring uh younger men. Uh it could of mentoring uh younger men. Uh it could of mentoring uh younger men. Uh it could also be a pastor. Um and then mentoring also be a pastor. Um and then mentoring also be a pastor. Um and then mentoring younger uh guys uh which you could tell younger uh guys uh which you could tell younger uh guys uh which you could tell them specifically, hey, go get a kid them specifically, hey, go get a kid them specifically, hey, go get a kid that's 2, three years younger than you. that's 2, three years younger than you. that's 2, three years younger than you. wants to play your sport or whatever and wants to play your sport or whatever and wants to play your sport or whatever and you know coach them once a week. There's you know coach them once a week. There's you know coach them once a week. There's this is an unlock for guys by the way. this is an unlock for guys by the way. this is an unlock for guys by the way. You take a young man who's struggling You take a young man who's struggling You take a young man who's struggling and you put them in charge of other and you put them in charge of other and you put them in charge of other younger men and they tend to rise up. I younger men and they tend to rise up. I younger men and they tend to rise up. I remember learning I had a client years remember learning I had a client years remember learning I had a client years ago who got sent to one of those like ago who got sent to one of those like ago who got sent to one of those like those camps. He was uh he got caught those camps. He was uh he got caught those camps. He was uh he got caught smoking weed a bunch and his parents smoking weed a bunch and his parents smoking weed a bunch and his parents sent him off to one of those camps and sent him off to one of those camps and sent him off to one of those camps and he was just he was struggling. He had no he was just he was struggling. He had no he was just he was struggling. He had no direction. He was good kid but just no direction. He was good kid but just no direction. He was good kid but just no direction. And one of the things they direction. And one of the things they direction. And one of the things they did with him is they put him in charge did with him is they put him in charge did with him is they put him in charge of a group of six younger guys and he of a group of six younger guys and he of a group of six younger guys and he just rose to the occasion. Suddenly just rose to the occasion. Suddenly just rose to the occasion. Suddenly became this like great leader and just became this like great leader and just became this like great leader and just totally became a better person. totally became a better person. totally became a better person. >> Responsibility. >> Responsibility. >> Responsibility. >> Responsibility. >> Responsibility. >> Responsibility. >> I think there's also too like there's a >> I think there's also too like there's a >> I think there's also too like there's a lot of value and like we we were we're lot of value and like we we were we're lot of value and like we we were we're always trying to like measure our time always trying to like measure our time always trying to like measure our time and value of dollars or something like and value of dollars or something like and value of dollars or something like that. And like so so many young men that that. And like so so many young men that that. And like so so many young men that I talk to are afraid to go add value to I talk to are afraid to go add value to I talk to are afraid to go add value to somebody's else life without getting somebody's else life without getting somebody's else life without getting some sort of financial exchange for it some sort of financial exchange for it some sort of financial exchange for it or something. So it's like, dude, if you or something. So it's like, dude, if you or something. So it's like, dude, if you see someone that you admire in business see someone that you admire in business see someone that you admire in business or something that they do like to work or something that they do like to work or something that they do like to work for. for. for. >> Yeah, exactly. You know how valuable >> Yeah, exactly. You know how valuable >> Yeah, exactly. You know how valuable that is? that is? that is? >> Like find a way to add value to their >> Like find a way to add value to their >> Like find a way to add value to their life with asking nothing in return life with asking nothing in return life with asking nothing in return because the value is getting close to because the value is getting close to because the value is getting close to that person. The value is being of value that person. The value is being of value that person. The value is being of value to that person because then that person to that person because then that person to that person because then that person will want you around and be okay with will want you around and be okay with will want you around and be okay with that being around like and that may that being around like and that may that being around like and that may means doing hours of stuff, you know, on means doing hours of stuff, you know, on means doing hours of stuff, you know, on a daily or weekly basis for free for a daily or weekly basis for free for a daily or weekly basis for free for this person. But the wisdom and that this person. But the wisdom and that this person. But the wisdom and that that you gain will pay itself tfold in that you gain will pay itself tfold in that you gain will pay itself tfold in your life. Totally. And being okay with your life. Totally. And being okay with your life. Totally. And being okay with that. We're always so caught up in like, that. We're always so caught up in like, that. We're always so caught up in like, well, how much am I gonna make if I go well, how much am I gonna make if I go well, how much am I gonna make if I go do all that stuff for him for free? Is do all that stuff for him for free? Is do all that stuff for him for free? Is he gonna pay me or should I out? It's he gonna pay me or should I out? It's he gonna pay me or should I out? It's like, no. Like like, no. Like like, no. Like >> as if what you're getting you in the >> as if what you're getting you in the >> as if what you're getting you in the room room room >> as if you're not getting any value. >> as if you're not getting any value. >> as if you're not getting any value. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's insane. That's crazy. All right, >> That's insane. That's crazy. All right, >> That's insane. That's crazy. All right, I'm going to uh go in a in a different I'm going to uh go in a in a different I'm going to uh go in a in a different direction. I don't know if you saw this, direction. I don't know if you saw this, direction. I don't know if you saw this, Justin. Did you see the CIA Justin. Did you see the CIA Justin. Did you see the CIA >> declassified uh documents that came out? >> declassified uh documents that came out? >> declassified uh documents that came out? Just listen. This is, bro. People are Just listen. This is, bro. People are Just listen. This is, bro. People are posting the funniest memes and it's like posting the funniest memes and it's like posting the funniest memes and it's like a conspiracy theorist and they're like a conspiracy theorist and they're like a conspiracy theorist and they're like celebrating or like kings because celebrating or like kings because celebrating or like kings because they're just right all the time right they're just right all the time right they're just right all the time right now. now. now. >> They're all right. Every single one is >> They're all right. Every single one is >> They're all right. Every single one is coming true. Declassified CIA files coming true. Declassified CIA files coming true. Declassified CIA files reveal that under President uh President reveal that under President uh President reveal that under President uh President Lyndon B. Johnson, the military sprayed Lyndon B. Johnson, the military sprayed Lyndon B. Johnson, the military sprayed chemicals from planes, also known as chemicals from planes, also known as chemicals from planes, also known as stratospheric aerosol injections to stratospheric aerosol injections to stratospheric aerosol injections to modify the weather. modify the weather. modify the weather. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> Uhhuh. >> So >> So >> So >> So chemtrails. Yeah. And then that was >> So chemtrails. Yeah. And then that was >> So chemtrails. Yeah. And then that was funny and like, "Oh, you're an idiot." funny and like, "Oh, you're an idiot." funny and like, "Oh, you're an idiot." >> Tinfoil hat loser. >> Tinfoil hat loser. >> Tinfoil hat loser. >> Oh man. You know what's funny, too? Cuz >> Oh man. You know what's funny, too? Cuz >> Oh man. You know what's funny, too? Cuz my cousin, my cousin, he likes he he my cousin, my cousin, he likes he he my cousin, my cousin, he likes he he gets all into this gets all into this gets all into this >> cuz my my uncle was like this. And my >> cuz my my uncle was like this. And my >> cuz my my uncle was like this. And my uncle's really smart, so he wasn't like uncle's really smart, so he wasn't like uncle's really smart, so he wasn't like wacky conspiracy stuff. He'd like get wacky conspiracy stuff. He'd like get wacky conspiracy stuff. He'd like get into it. My cousin was taking he lives into it. My cousin was taking he lives into it. My cousin was taking he lives up in uh Roseville, right? And you know, up in uh Roseville, right? And you know, up in uh Roseville, right? And you know, it's California. It gets super hot up it's California. It gets super hot up it's California. It gets super hot up there, sunny. And he was taking pictures there, sunny. And he was taking pictures there, sunny. And he was taking pictures and he's like, "Check out the sky right and he's like, "Check out the sky right and he's like, "Check out the sky right now. Super clear." And then you see now. Super clear." And then you see now. Super clear." And then you see planes going across and you see the the planes going across and you see the the planes going across and you see the the contrail or whatever. And then he was contrail or whatever. And then he was contrail or whatever. And then he was taking pictures of it and those taking pictures of it and those taking pictures of it and those contrails were spreading. Next thing you contrails were spreading. Next thing you contrails were spreading. Next thing you know the whole sky know the whole sky know the whole sky >> is hazy. >> is hazy. >> is hazy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he's like that's not a contrail >> And he's like that's not a contrail >> And he's like that's not a contrail dude. He's like that's a chemtrail. dude. He's like that's a chemtrail. dude. He's like that's a chemtrail. >> Why are they doing like total crossing >> Why are they doing like total crossing >> Why are they doing like total crossing patterns so they like blanket one entire patterns so they like blanket one entire patterns so they like blanket one entire area? area? area? >> Like come on dude. >> Like come on dude. >> Like come on dude. >> Dude, what's happening dude? >> Dude, what's happening dude? >> Dude, what's happening dude? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Aren't there other files that are >> Aren't there other files that are >> Aren't there other files that are supposed to be coming out this year too? supposed to be coming out this year too? supposed to be coming out this year too? like more JFK stuff or another another like more JFK stuff or another another like more JFK stuff or another another conspiracy. conspiracy. conspiracy. >> I can't handle anymore. I need a break, >> I can't handle anymore. I need a break, >> I can't handle anymore. I need a break, dude. Stop releasing them. Let me just dude. Stop releasing them. Let me just dude. Stop releasing them. Let me just chill for a second. chill for a second. chill for a second. >> That's sort of the >> That's sort of the >> That's sort of the >> They may as well just dump it all right >> They may as well just dump it all right >> They may as well just dump it all right now because the fact that all the now because the fact that all the now because the fact that all the Epstein stuff came out and like we're Epstein stuff came out and like we're Epstein stuff came out and like we're just like nobody's in jail. Nobody's just like nobody's in jail. Nobody's just like nobody's in jail. Nobody's like it's just like why not just throw like it's just like why not just throw like it's just like why not just throw it all out there now at this point. Like it all out there now at this point. Like it all out there now at this point. Like just just just >> I had heard there's like so there was >> I had heard there's like so there was >> I had heard there's like so there was like something like 4.9 terabytes of or like something like 4.9 terabytes of or like something like 4.9 terabytes of or whatever that they've released. whatever that they've released. whatever that they've released. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But there's like a 100 terabytes >> But there's like a 100 terabytes >> But there's like a 100 terabytes still of still of still of >> of just Epstein. >> of just Epstein. >> of just Epstein. >> Oh, of just epste. Well, I told you guys >> Oh, of just epste. Well, I told you guys >> Oh, of just epste. Well, I told you guys that Epstein stat that I heard that if that Epstein stat that I heard that if that Epstein stat that I heard that if you were to stack the emails p on paper, you were to stack the emails p on paper, you were to stack the emails p on paper, one one email at a time on top of each one one email at a time on top of each one one email at a time on top of each other, it's taller than two Eiffel other, it's taller than two Eiffel other, it's taller than two Eiffel Towers. Towers. Towers. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> Oh, wow. >> I mean, just did you, by the way, did >> I mean, just did you, by the way, did >> I mean, just did you, by the way, did you see that they they all the emails you see that they they all the emails you see that they they all the emails there is a period of time where there's there is a period of time where there's there is a period of time where there's no email no email no email >> the 911 time >> the 911 time >> the 911 time >> right around September 11. it right >> right around September 11. it right >> right around September 11. it right before during. before during. before during. >> Did you see Did you Did I send I'm >> Did you see Did you Did I send I'm >> Did you see Did you Did I send I'm pretty sure I sent Justin the stuff. I pretty sure I sent Justin the stuff. I pretty sure I sent Justin the stuff. I sent Justin all the stuff more. sent Justin all the stuff more. sent Justin all the stuff more. >> The uh Dude, I like it too. >> The uh Dude, I like it too. >> The uh Dude, I like it too. >> Yeah, I know. Sorry. I'll send it to >> Yeah, I know. Sorry. I'll send it to >> Yeah, I know. Sorry. I'll send it to you, too. Uh the the interview of the you, too. Uh the the interview of the you, too. Uh the the interview of the guy there was like suppressed interviews guy there was like suppressed interviews guy there was like suppressed interviews from the firefighters that were in the from the firefighters that were in the from the firefighters that were in the building that said they saw explosions building that said they saw explosions building that said they saw explosions go off. Well, it's funny cuz like you go off. Well, it's funny cuz like you go off. Well, it's funny cuz like you know when all this happened it was know when all this happened it was know when all this happened it was >> you know I I was watching the news like >> you know I I was watching the news like >> you know I I was watching the news like like was big time like and I was sitting like was big time like and I was sitting like was big time like and I was sitting there and you there was actually there and you there was actually there and you there was actually interviews that were like very interviews that were like very interviews that were like very controversial that they live and they controversial that they live and they controversial that they live and they never showed never showed never showed >> that's what I'm talking about. These >> that's what I'm talking about. These >> that's what I'm talking about. These were these are these guys are like were these are these guys are like were these are these guys are like covered they just walked out and they're covered they just walked out and they're covered they just walked out and they're talking. talking. talking. >> They're talking about explosions and >> They're talking about explosions and >> They're talking about explosions and like how it was like very much like like how it was like very much like like how it was like very much like there's no way it would just randomly there's no way it would just randomly there's no way it would just randomly well after the plane. well after the plane. well after the plane. >> Yeah. Especially the other buildings >> Yeah. Especially the other buildings >> Yeah. Especially the other buildings that they would just collapse like that they would just collapse like that they would just collapse like uniformly like that. There's no way. uniformly like that. There's no way. uniformly like that. There's no way. >> Is it thermite? Is that the name of the >> Is it thermite? Is that the name of the >> Is it thermite? Is that the name of the Didn't they find a bunch of thermite in Didn't they find a bunch of thermite in Didn't they find a bunch of thermite in the You know what that is? That's what the You know what that is? That's what the You know what that is? That's what melts steel. It's a compound that burns melts steel. It's a compound that burns melts steel. It's a compound that burns so hot. so hot. so hot. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That they use it for demolition to melt >> That they use it for demolition to melt >> That they use it for demolition to melt to melt steel. to melt steel. to melt steel. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> Yeah. Oh man. >> Yeah. Oh man. >> Yeah. Oh man. >> And at this point it's like if you get >> And at this point it's like if you get >> And at this point it's like if you get all this release, there's just people all this release, there's just people all this release, there's just people out there that they just will resist it. out there that they just will resist it. out there that they just will resist it. They don't want to hear it. And they're They don't want to hear it. And they're They don't want to hear it. And they're still going to push back and be like, still going to push back and be like, still going to push back and be like, "Oh, this is all fake." I have I'm so "Oh, this is all fake." I have I'm so "Oh, this is all fake." I have I'm so like it's just baffling to me like what like it's just baffling to me like what like it's just baffling to me like what what like how do you decipher and what like how do you decipher and what like how do you decipher and determine what is true? Now determine what is true? Now determine what is true? Now >> that's just it. you've been gas lit so >> that's just it. you've been gas lit so >> that's just it. you've been gas lit so much that the common the common theme much that the common the common theme much that the common the common theme that I'm seeing in like my family and that I'm seeing in like my family and that I'm seeing in like my family and friends that don't go down the rabbit friends that don't go down the rabbit friends that don't go down the rabbit hole or like it's just like oh I don't hole or like it's just like oh I don't hole or like it's just like oh I don't even know what's true or they just dis even know what's true or they just dis even know what's true or they just dis they like so they they hear some crazy they like so they they hear some crazy they like so they they hear some crazy thing that's came out that proved a thing that's came out that proved a thing that's came out that proved a conspiracy theory true and they don't conspiracy theory true and they don't conspiracy theory true and they don't they're just like oh it's probably a they're just like oh it's probably a they're just like oh it's probably a psychological tactic in the Soviet Union psychological tactic in the Soviet Union psychological tactic in the Soviet Union is they would constantly change is they would constantly change is they would constantly change information to the point where people information to the point where people information to the point where people were just like I don't know what to were just like I don't know what to were just like I don't know what to believe believe believe >> that's where we're at right now we're >> that's where we're at right now we're >> that's where we're at right now we're that's When I talk to somebody who that's When I talk to somebody who that's When I talk to somebody who doesn't follow any of it or isn't into doesn't follow any of it or isn't into doesn't follow any of it or isn't into it and you bring something up, it's it and you bring something up, it's it and you bring something up, it's like, "Yeah, is that just another one of like, "Yeah, is that just another one of like, "Yeah, is that just another one of those things though that's not like those things though that's not like those things though that's not like >> I just dismiss it." >> I just dismiss it." >> I just dismiss it." >> My favorite my favorite part of all the >> My favorite my favorite part of all the >> My favorite my favorite part of all the September 11th thing that I always am so September 11th thing that I always am so September 11th thing that I always am so fascinated by was one of the most fascinated by was one of the most fascinated by was one of the most surveyed places in the world with audio surveyed places in the world with audio surveyed places in the world with audio recording security is the Pentagon. This recording security is the Pentagon. This recording security is the Pentagon. This is remember this is like the central hub is remember this is like the central hub is remember this is like the central hub >> of intelligence >> of intelligence >> of intelligence >> of intelligence and defense of the >> of intelligence and defense of the >> of intelligence and defense of the United States government. United States government. United States government. >> It's surrounded by cameras. Okay? Like >> It's surrounded by cameras. Okay? Like >> It's surrounded by cameras. Okay? Like for sure for sure for sure >> there's no way you're going to sneak in >> there's no way you're going to sneak in >> there's no way you're going to sneak in surrounded. And we we don't have a surrounded. And we we don't have a surrounded. And we we don't have a single video of the plane flying in and single video of the plane flying in and single video of the plane flying in and hitting the side. hitting the side. hitting the side. >> We don't have a single one. And they >> We don't have a single one. And they >> We don't have a single one. And they confiscated all the security cameras confiscated all the security cameras confiscated all the security cameras from like the 7-Elevens and stuff around from like the 7-Elevens and stuff around from like the 7-Elevens and stuff around there. We don't have a single the the there. We don't have a single the the there. We don't have a single the the only video they show you can't tell what only video they show you can't tell what only video they show you can't tell what it is. It just boom, blows up. It won't. it is. It just boom, blows up. It won't. it is. It just boom, blows up. It won't. There's no more video. I'm like, you There's no more video. I'm like, you There's no more video. I'm like, you can't tell me there isn't a like a can't tell me there isn't a like a can't tell me there isn't a like a there's a recording of how many birds there's a recording of how many birds there's a recording of how many birds flew by that building that day. I flew by that building that day. I flew by that building that day. I guarantee you they have the whole place guarantee you they have the whole place guarantee you they have the whole place is surveyed like crazy. is surveyed like crazy. is surveyed like crazy. >> There's people out there that want more >> There's people out there that want more >> There's people out there that want more government. It's just it's just it's government. It's just it's just it's government. It's just it's just it's just mindboggling to me. just mindboggling to me. just mindboggling to me. >> It's it's disgusting to think that one >> It's it's disgusting to think that one >> It's it's disgusting to think that one of the most horrific things that's ever of the most horrific things that's ever of the most horrific things that's ever happened in our history was done to happened in our history was done to happened in our history was done to ourselves. ourselves. ourselves. >> Maybe. Or we just don't know. I mean, >> Maybe. Or we just don't know. I mean, >> Maybe. Or we just don't know. I mean, that's that's that's just that's that's that's that's that's just that's that's that's that's that's just that's that's so uh evil. so uh evil. so uh evil. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So evil and and so bad to think that. >> So evil and and so bad to think that. >> So evil and and so bad to think that. But again, like I said, the people that But again, like I said, the people that But again, like I said, the people that are close in my family that are just are close in my family that are just are close in my family that are just like like like >> who knows? >> who knows? >> who knows? >> Who knows? Yeah. It's just it's it's >> Who knows? Yeah. It's just it's it's >> Who knows? Yeah. It's just it's it's >> just it's like tune it out. You like you >> just it's like tune it out. You like you >> just it's like tune it out. You like you tune it out and you're just like just I tune it out and you're just like just I tune it out and you're just like just I mean and I I don't know if that was mean and I I don't know if that was mean and I I don't know if that was always the strategy. Like maybe that was always the strategy. Like maybe that was always the strategy. Like maybe that was the strategy from day one was just like the strategy from day one was just like the strategy from day one was just like eventually this going to be so much. eventually this going to be so much. eventually this going to be so much. >> It seems like that's the strategy right >> It seems like that's the strategy right >> It seems like that's the strategy right now. Yeah, it does feel like that, now. Yeah, it does feel like that, now. Yeah, it does feel like that, right? It feels like right? It feels like right? It feels like >> any any skepticism that's going to go >> any any skepticism that's going to go >> any any skepticism that's going to go against like, you know, some push agenda against like, you know, some push agenda against like, you know, some push agenda or whatever. It's like, you know, the or whatever. It's like, you know, the or whatever. It's like, you know, the only thing they have is to make you look only thing they have is to make you look only thing they have is to make you look crazy. crazy. crazy. >> Listen, why are they releasing? First, >> Listen, why are they releasing? First, >> Listen, why are they releasing? First, we get Epstein emails and they're just we get Epstein emails and they're just we get Epstein emails and they're just boom boom tons of them. And it's crazy boom boom tons of them. And it's crazy boom boom tons of them. And it's crazy stuff. Simultaneously CIA declassified stuff. Simultaneously CIA declassified stuff. Simultaneously CIA declassified documents are showing. We were documents are showing. We were documents are showing. We were definitely trying mind control with definitely trying mind control with definitely trying mind control with psychedelics and drugs. We were psychedelics and drugs. We were psychedelics and drugs. We were definitely definitely definitely >> even before MK Ultra, what was that? >> even before MK Ultra, what was that? >> even before MK Ultra, what was that? Operation Art Choke. Yeah. So that was Operation Art Choke. Yeah. So that was Operation Art Choke. Yeah. So that was even before like I even knew about even before like I even knew about even before like I even knew about >> that's declassified. Oh, and oh yes, we >> that's declassified. Oh, and oh yes, we >> that's declassified. Oh, and oh yes, we were bio-engineering ticks to to spread were bio-engineering ticks to to spread were bio-engineering ticks to to spread disease. Oh, and yes, we are spraying disease. Oh, and yes, we are spraying disease. Oh, and yes, we are spraying chemical. chemical. chemical. >> So all the punches were actually 100% >> So all the punches were actually 100% >> So all the punches were actually 100% true. true. true. >> Oh, and yes, aliens are real. And it's >> Oh, and yes, aliens are real. And it's >> Oh, and yes, aliens are real. And it's like boom boom boom boom boom. I think like boom boom boom boom boom. I think like boom boom boom boom boom. I think that's the the strategy right now is to that's the the strategy right now is to that's the the strategy right now is to make us go, I don't know what the hell make us go, I don't know what the hell make us go, I don't know what the hell to believe. to believe. to believe. >> Right. Right. It's it's all it's all so >> Right. Right. It's it's all it's all so >> Right. Right. It's it's all it's all so we talk about Bigfoot finally. we talk about Bigfoot finally. we talk about Bigfoot finally. >> Wait for the one of you say that when we >> Wait for the one of you say that when we >> Wait for the one of you say that when we were walking. were walking. were walking. >> There's hella signing of Bigfoot right >> There's hella signing of Bigfoot right >> There's hella signing of Bigfoot right now. now. now. See, now, okay, this is what they do, See, now, okay, this is what they do, See, now, okay, this is what they do, too, though, right? too, though, right? too, though, right? >> This is where it gets fun for me. This >> This is where it gets fun for me. This >> This is where it gets fun for me. This is what they do right here. Then they is what they do right here. Then they is what they do right here. Then they throw some [ __ ] out there like that throw some [ __ ] out there like that throw some [ __ ] out there like that that you're just like, that isn't true. that you're just like, that isn't true. that you're just like, that isn't true. And then you're like, And then you're like, And then you're like, >> no, right now there's like a huge amount >> no, right now there's like a huge amount >> no, right now there's like a huge amount of reported Doug, look it up, of of of reported Doug, look it up, of of of reported Doug, look it up, of of Bigfoot sightings right now that are Bigfoot sightings right now that are Bigfoot sightings right now that are happening. happening. happening. >> That's exciting. >> That's exciting. >> That's exciting. >> Which is exciting. >> Which is exciting. >> Which is exciting. >> By the way, you know, one of the main >> By the way, you know, one of the main >> By the way, you know, one of the main theory, you know what's funny about theory, you know what's funny about theory, you know what's funny about Bigfoot? There's a big theory that Bigfoot? There's a big theory that Bigfoot? There's a big theory that Bigfoot is an interdimensional. Bigfoot is an interdimensional. Bigfoot is an interdimensional. >> Yeah. Maybe. >> Yeah. Maybe. >> Yeah. Maybe. >> Well, they're they're just Yeah, they're >> Well, they're they're just Yeah, they're >> Well, they're they're just Yeah, they're trying to figure out why he disappears, trying to figure out why he disappears, trying to figure out why he disappears, why he's so good at hideand-seek, you why he's so good at hideand-seek, you why he's so good at hideand-seek, you know, like this big animal that's know, like this big animal that's know, like this big animal that's supposedly, you know, supposedly, you know, supposedly, you know, >> can't be super fast. >> can't be super fast. >> can't be super fast. >> Yeah, it can't be super fast. Like, you >> Yeah, it can't be super fast. Like, you >> Yeah, it can't be super fast. Like, you know, is in and out. And so, know, is in and out. And so, know, is in and out. And so, >> what do you get, Doug? What do you get >> what do you get, Doug? What do you get >> what do you get, Doug? What do you get over here? over here? over here? >> Yeah. So, a lot have been reported early >> Yeah. So, a lot have been reported early >> Yeah. So, a lot have been reported early this year, most notably in northeast this year, most notably in northeast this year, most notably in northeast Ohio, which I never thought would be the Ohio, which I never thought would be the Ohio, which I never thought would be the place you'd see Bigfoot. place you'd see Bigfoot. place you'd see Bigfoot. >> Yeah. uh where several residents and a >> Yeah. uh where several residents and a >> Yeah. uh where several residents and a sheriff reported a 7 to 8 foot tall foul sheriff reported a 7 to 8 foot tall foul sheriff reported a 7 to 8 foot tall foul smelling creature and then there's been smelling creature and then there's been smelling creature and then there's been additional sightings in uh California additional sightings in uh California additional sightings in uh California from uh March. So yeah, it seems to be a from uh March. So yeah, it seems to be a from uh March. So yeah, it seems to be a thing right now. thing right now. thing right now. >> You say where in California? >> You say where in California? >> You say where in California? >> Always northwest north probably. >> Always northwest north probably. >> Always northwest north probably. >> Let me see if I can find more details >> Let me see if I can find more details >> Let me see if I can find more details here. Um here. Um here. Um >> bro, isn't isn't that where you're at? >> bro, isn't isn't that where you're at? >> bro, isn't isn't that where you're at? >> Do you know Renan can Canyon >> Do you know Renan can Canyon >> Do you know Renan can Canyon >> where we have we have a Bigfoot museum? >> where we have we have a Bigfoot museum? >> where we have we have a Bigfoot museum? You know that, right? like down the You know that, right? like down the You know that, right? like down the street from street from street from >> Oh, also uh San Bernardino County. >> Oh, also uh San Bernardino County. >> Oh, also uh San Bernardino County. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> A lot of sightings, >> A lot of sightings, >> A lot of sightings, >> but we got Wisconsin. >> but we got Wisconsin. >> but we got Wisconsin. >> All these iPhones. All these iPhones. >> All these iPhones. All these iPhones. >> All these iPhones. All these iPhones. You think we would catch some footage? You think we would catch some footage? You think we would catch some footage? No. No. No. >> I mean, well, they have some, but you >> I mean, well, they have some, but you >> I mean, well, they have some, but you know, you It's so skeptical. know, you It's so skeptical. know, you It's so skeptical. >> I know. I remember the last one I see >> I know. I remember the last one I see >> I know. I remember the last one I see was like totally guy. was like totally guy. was like totally guy. >> We even have Florida and Texas, you >> We even have Florida and Texas, you >> We even have Florida and Texas, you know, reporting. know, reporting. know, reporting. >> You know what's weird, by the way? >> You know what's weird, by the way? >> You know what's weird, by the way? Bigfoot and aliens have some some Bigfoot and aliens have some some Bigfoot and aliens have some some interesting things in common. interesting things in common. interesting things in common. >> What? Like, yes. So, aliens, when people >> What? Like, yes. So, aliens, when people >> What? Like, yes. So, aliens, when people have uh encounters with aliens, they have uh encounters with aliens, they have uh encounters with aliens, they report a foul smell. report a foul smell. report a foul smell. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Often a suluric or wet dog type smell, >> Often a suluric or wet dog type smell, >> Often a suluric or wet dog type smell, which is the same kind of smell which is the same kind of smell which is the same kind of smell >> that people refer to with Bigfoot. >> that people refer to with Bigfoot. >> that people refer to with Bigfoot. >> I did not know that. >> I did not know that. >> I did not know that. >> Yeah. Do you know what else has a bad >> Yeah. Do you know what else has a bad >> Yeah. Do you know what else has a bad smell, Adam? smell, Adam? smell, Adam? >> Oh, what? >> Oh, what? >> Oh, what? >> Demons. >> Demons. >> Demons. >> You know what else is interdimensional, >> You know what else is interdimensional, >> You know what else is interdimensional, Adam? Adam? Adam? >> Demons. >> Demons. >> Demons. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know, bro. >> I don't know, bro. >> I don't know, bro. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> Might all be demons. >> Might all be demons. >> Might all be demons. >> You see that meme with the affirmation >> You see that meme with the affirmation >> You see that meme with the affirmation aliens? aliens. aliens? aliens. aliens? aliens. >> There's going to be one with Sal just >> There's going to be one with Sal just >> There's going to be one with Sal just like like like >> Hey, what once I debunked this carbon >> Hey, what once I debunked this carbon >> Hey, what once I debunked this carbon carbon dating now everything's on the carbon dating now everything's on the carbon dating now everything's on the table now. table now. table now. >> Everything's on the table now. >> Everything's on the table now. >> Everything's on the table now. >> Oh my gosh. I can't wait till we have >> Oh my gosh. I can't wait till we have >> Oh my gosh. I can't wait till we have >> reality is getting flipped upside down. >> reality is getting flipped upside down. >> reality is getting flipped upside down. >> Yeah, we got Ste Steven Meyer will be on >> Yeah, we got Ste Steven Meyer will be on >> Yeah, we got Ste Steven Meyer will be on at some point. We're supposed to be at some point. We're supposed to be at some point. We're supposed to be having a schedule come on and he he having a schedule come on and he he having a schedule come on and he he breaks down all the science of that breaks down all the science of that breaks down all the science of that stuff. stuff. stuff. >> I'm actually really excited. >> I'm actually really excited. >> I'm actually really excited. >> And I tell you what, bro, you were >> And I tell you what, bro, you were >> And I tell you what, bro, you were right. But you couldn't sell it. right. But you couldn't sell it. right. But you couldn't sell it. >> You don't know the science, dude. This >> You don't know the science, dude. This >> You don't know the science, dude. This was how Adam sold it. This is how you was how Adam sold it. This is how you was how Adam sold it. This is how you sold it. So, were you there? sold it. So, were you there? sold it. So, were you there? >> I wasn't there. This is not how I was a >> I wasn't there. This is not how I was a >> I wasn't there. This is not how I was a beaker. beaker. beaker. >> Did you see it? Did you see a dinosaur >> Did you see it? Did you see a dinosaur >> Did you see it? Did you see a dinosaur yourself? yourself? yourself? >> You mentioned it in the lab. >> You mentioned it in the lab. >> You mentioned it in the lab. >> I'm going to have to go back. I'm going >> I'm going to have to go back. I'm going >> I'm going to have to go back. I'm going have to go back and listen. Uh, have to go back and listen. Uh, have to go back and listen. Uh, >> you got to sell it better, dude. >> you got to sell it better, dude. >> you got to sell it better, dude. >> Right. Hey, this is me as a trainer, >> Right. Hey, this is me as a trainer, >> Right. Hey, this is me as a trainer, too. Like, I read the science. I too. Like, I read the science. I too. Like, I read the science. I understand it. Get me to regurgitate it understand it. Get me to regurgitate it understand it. Get me to regurgitate it perfectly. perfectly. perfectly. >> Just listen. That's why I tell my >> Just listen. That's why I tell my >> Just listen. That's why I tell my clients, just trust me. Just listen to clients, just trust me. Just listen to clients, just trust me. Just listen to me. Just listen to what I have to say. me. Just listen to what I have to say. me. Just listen to what I have to say. Sorry, bro. I know. I'm sorry. I didn't Sorry, bro. I know. I'm sorry. I didn't Sorry, bro. I know. I'm sorry. I didn't trust you. Yeah. Just should know that trust you. Yeah. Just should know that trust you. Yeah. Just should know that by now. Like I know. I read the books. I by now. Like I know. I read the books. I by now. Like I know. I read the books. I saw it. I heard the data, but I could saw it. I heard the data, but I could saw it. I heard the data, but I could not regurgitate it for you. Like that's not regurgitate it for you. Like that's not regurgitate it for you. Like that's your skill, dude. That's that's you read your skill, dude. That's that's you read your skill, dude. That's that's you read something. I'll sell you. Tell me what something. I'll sell you. Tell me what something. I'll sell you. Tell me what to sell, dude. I'll tell to sell, dude. I'll tell to sell, dude. I'll tell >> Hey, speaking of selling, so uh you >> Hey, speaking of selling, so uh you >> Hey, speaking of selling, so uh you we're this uh episode sponsored by Vori. we're this uh episode sponsored by Vori. we're this uh episode sponsored by Vori. And I got to I got to say something, And I got to I got to say something, And I got to I got to say something, dude. I was going through my my closet. dude. I was going through my my closet. dude. I was going through my my closet. I by this point 80% of my closet is I by this point 80% of my closet is I by this point 80% of my closet is Fiori, right? We've been sp How long Fiori, right? We've been sp How long Fiori, right? We've been sp How long have you been sponsored by them? have you been sponsored by them? have you been sponsored by them? >> Good. Eight years, I think. Eight now. >> Good. Eight years, I think. Eight now. >> Good. Eight years, I think. Eight now. Probably more, actually. Probably more, actually. Probably more, actually. >> Bro, I got stuff. >> Bro, I got stuff. >> Bro, I got stuff. At least I got stuff that's like seven At least I got stuff that's like seven At least I got stuff that's like seven or eight years old. or eight years old. or eight years old. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> From Vory. >> From Vory. >> From Vory. >> I' I've washed them hundreds of times. >> I' I've washed them hundreds of times. >> I' I've washed them hundreds of times. They look brand. This is the It's the They look brand. This is the It's the They look brand. This is the It's the longest lasting. longest lasting. longest lasting. >> I still wear like my old stuff. >> I still wear like my old stuff. >> I still wear like my old stuff. >> They just don't go they don't get old. >> They just don't go they don't get old. >> They just don't go they don't get old. They last a long time. They last a long time. They last a long time. >> I you know I don't know if you guys seen >> I you know I don't know if you guys seen >> I you know I don't know if you guys seen I've been wearing the if you go back on I've been wearing the if you go back on I've been wearing the if you go back on some of the episodes I've been wearing some of the episodes I've been wearing some of the episodes I've been wearing that the the jacket. I don't know what that the the jacket. I don't know what that the the jacket. I don't know what you call that. I wish you call that. I wish you call that. I wish >> it's like the lightweight black one I >> it's like the lightweight black one I >> it's like the lightweight black one I have. That's a Vor jacket. It's button have. That's a Vor jacket. It's button have. That's a Vor jacket. It's button up. Yeah. up. Yeah. up. Yeah. >> A windbreaker or Yeah. Yeah. It's like a >> A windbreaker or Yeah. Yeah. It's like a >> A windbreaker or Yeah. Yeah. It's like a kind of a like like a windbreaker kind of a like like a windbreaker kind of a like like a windbreaker material. Love material. Love material. Love >> they have a bunch of new stuff. >> they have a bunch of new stuff. >> they have a bunch of new stuff. >> Love. Yes. >> Love. Yes. >> Love. Yes. >> Oh, their rain coat, dude. I don't know >> Oh, their rain coat, dude. I don't know >> Oh, their rain coat, dude. I don't know if you guys have seen that one, but I if you guys have seen that one, but I if you guys have seen that one, but I wear that one all the time. It dude, wear that one all the time. It dude, wear that one all the time. It dude, it's so lightweight and perfect. And it's so lightweight and perfect. And it's so lightweight and perfect. And yeah, I always forget about that and yeah, I always forget about that and yeah, I always forget about that and then it rains. I'm like, "Oh, yeah, I then it rains. I'm like, "Oh, yeah, I then it rains. I'm like, "Oh, yeah, I have this." have this." have this." >> I love that they're like branching out >> I love that they're like branching out >> I love that they're like branching out in more style stuff. It was It was very in more style stuff. It was It was very in more style stuff. It was It was very just kind of athleisure wear focused. just kind of athleisure wear focused. just kind of athleisure wear focused. >> Oh, no. No. >> Oh, no. No. >> Oh, no. No. >> But I feel I mean they got they got into >> But I feel I mean they got they got into >> But I feel I mean they got they got into snow gear and stuff like that. They get snow gear and stuff like that. They get snow gear and stuff like that. They get into rain jackets like that. this kind into rain jackets like that. this kind into rain jackets like that. this kind of windbreaker vibe like the flannel. of windbreaker vibe like the flannel. of windbreaker vibe like the flannel. Yeah. No, they got a lot. Yeah. No, they got a lot. Yeah. No, they got a lot. >> Are you able to cast up there, Doug? I >> Are you able to cast up there, Doug? I >> Are you able to cast up there, Doug? I want to see what it's called. want to see what it's called. want to see what it's called. >> Uh what Adam has cuz uh >> Uh what Adam has cuz uh >> Uh what Adam has cuz uh >> Yeah. Let me see if I can I I bought the >> Yeah. Let me see if I can I I bought the >> Yeah. Let me see if I can I I bought the last one in the store when we just did a last one in the store when we just did a last one in the store when we just did a we did a shoot for them just recently. we did a shoot for them just recently. we did a shoot for them just recently. Yeah. And they get every time they get Yeah. And they get every time they get Yeah. And they get every time they get me, me, me, you guys come up with this. you guys come up with this. you guys come up with this. >> Yes. They get me. They get me every time >> Yes. They get me. They get me every time >> Yes. They get me. They get me every time I'm in there cuz there's something new I'm in there cuz there's something new I'm in there cuz there's something new that just got dropped. that just got dropped. that just got dropped. >> Late to the party. >> Late to the party. >> Late to the party. >> Are you pulling it up right now, Doug? >> Are you pulling it up right now, Doug? >> Are you pulling it up right now, Doug? >> Yeah. I'm trying to get it. >> Yeah. I'm trying to get it. >> Yeah. I'm trying to get it. >> What's the name of it? Uh, I don't know >> What's the name of it? Uh, I don't know >> What's the name of it? Uh, I don't know which one you're referring to exactly. which one you're referring to exactly. which one you're referring to exactly. So many jackets. So many jackets. So many jackets. >> You haven't seen me wear it? >> You haven't seen me wear it? >> You haven't seen me wear it? >> I I probably >> I I probably >> I I probably >> It's got like a collar. It's got a >> It's got like a collar. It's got a >> It's got like a collar. It's got a collar to it. It Button It buttons up. collar to it. It Button It buttons up. collar to it. It Button It buttons up. It's lightweight. It's lightweight. It's lightweight. >> The the the wrist have like a like I can >> The the the wrist have like a like I can >> The the the wrist have like a like I can velcro it tighter or loose like it's velcro it tighter or loose like it's velcro it tighter or loose like it's >> Yeah. Let me see if I can get this to >> Yeah. Let me see if I can get this to >> Yeah. Let me see if I can get this to cast up here. cast up here. cast up here. >> Yeah, they come they got really But I >> Yeah, they come they got really But I >> Yeah, they come they got really But I was was was >> What I will say this, this is one and >> What I will say this, this is one and >> What I will say this, this is one and and thank god they've been with us for and thank god they've been with us for and thank god they've been with us for as long as they have and stuck with us as long as they have and stuck with us as long as they have and stuck with us for this long. I'm terrible at for this long. I'm terrible at for this long. I'm terrible at remembering all the exact names of of of remembering all the exact names of of of remembering all the exact names of of of all the all the gear. all the all the gear. all the all the gear. >> She's like, I know what I like. I I know >> She's like, I know what I like. I I know >> She's like, I know what I like. I I know what it is. Like I know what it is for what it is. Like I know what it is for what it is. Like I know what it is for when I see it. when I see it. when I see it. >> Ponto chino. >> Ponto chino. >> Ponto chino. >> But when Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When when I >> But when Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When when I >> But when Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When when I got it dropped and when someone's like got it dropped and when someone's like got it dropped and when someone's like what is it? What are I'm like what is it? What are I'm like what is it? What are I'm like >> Sundays? They like Sundays. >> Sundays? They like Sundays. >> Sundays? They like Sundays. >> Sunday joggers. I know those. Like >> Sunday joggers. I know those. Like >> Sunday joggers. I know those. Like >> Well, that was my first favorite with >> Well, that was my first favorite with >> Well, that was my first favorite with the the Sunday joggers. I got I must the the Sunday joggers. I got I must the the Sunday joggers. I got I must >> What's this one? >> What's this one? >> What's this one? >> That's the seaside sweats. >> That's the seaside sweats. >> That's the seaside sweats. >> Yeah. Seaside. >> Yeah. Seaside. >> Yeah. Seaside. >> That whole sweat line is amazing. Yeah. >> That whole sweat line is amazing. Yeah. >> That whole sweat line is amazing. Yeah. You got any suggestions of what it might You got any suggestions of what it might You got any suggestions of what it might be called, Doug? be called, Doug? be called, Doug? >> I wish I could. >> I wish I could. >> I wish I could. >> You don't even have a guess, huh? >> You don't even have a guess, huh? >> You don't even have a guess, huh? >> I don't even have a guess because again, >> I don't even have a guess because again, >> I don't even have a guess because again, I'm trying to get through all these I'm trying to get through all these I'm trying to get through all these different uh different uh different uh >> put in the show. >> put in the show. >> put in the show. >> Is it considered a shirt jacket? >> Is it considered a shirt jacket? >> Is it considered a shirt jacket? >> It's a jacket. We'll have We'll make >> It's a jacket. We'll have We'll make >> It's a jacket. We'll have We'll make sure the editors find it and put it in sure the editors find it and put it in sure the editors find it and put it in the uh the uh the uh >> Yeah. Yeah. I I can't tell you. I mean, >> Yeah. Yeah. I I can't tell you. I mean, >> Yeah. Yeah. I I can't tell you. I mean, I seen one. It's called the Coronado I seen one. It's called the Coronado I seen one. It's called the Coronado shirt jacket, which is a button-up shirt jacket, which is a button-up shirt jacket, which is a button-up jacket, but it's almost jacket, but it's almost jacket, but it's almost >> with a collar. >> with a collar. >> with a collar. >> That might be it. It might be it. >> That might be it. It might be it. >> That might be it. It might be it. Coronado shirt jacket. Adam. I'm I mean Coronado shirt jacket. Adam. I'm I mean Coronado shirt jacket. Adam. I'm I mean I'm looking really quick right now to I'm looking really quick right now to I'm looking really quick right now to see if I can find it in the short of see if I can find it in the short of see if I can find it in the short of time of this is uh time of this is uh time of this is uh men. men. men. >> We'll just go with that shirt. >> We'll just go with that shirt. >> We'll just go with that shirt. >> Everyone's like that doesn't look like >> Everyone's like that doesn't look like >> Everyone's like that doesn't look like the one Adam was wearing. the one Adam was wearing. the one Adam was wearing. >> Let's keep talking about 911. >> I'm always like, "Oh, >> I'm always like, "Oh, >> we got to be careful, dude." >> we got to be careful, dude." >> we got to be careful, dude." >> Although, hey, conspiracy theorist, >> Although, hey, conspiracy theorist, >> Although, hey, conspiracy theorist, >> they're crushing right now. They're like >> they're crushing right now. They're like >> they're crushing right now. They're like 10 and0 or something like that. stepping 10 and0 or something like that. stepping 10 and0 or something like that. stepping on that on that on that >> rail. While you guys are look, while >> rail. While you guys are look, while >> rail. While you guys are look, while Doug's confused looking this up, Doug's confused looking this up, Doug's confused looking this up, >> what do you think the next Let's Let's >> what do you think the next Let's Let's >> what do you think the next Let's Let's bet some bets. bet some bets. bet some bets. >> V It's a V1 Coach jacket. >> V It's a V1 Coach jacket. >> V It's a V1 Coach jacket. >> Okay. V1 coach jacket. >> Okay. V1 coach jacket. >> Okay. V1 coach jacket. >> V1 V1 coach jacket. >> V1 V1 coach jacket. >> V1 V1 coach jacket. >> All right. What is >> All right. What is >> All right. What is >> What is the next conspiracy theory that >> What is the next conspiracy theory that >> What is the next conspiracy theory that will be proven right? will be proven right? will be proven right? >> Wow. Wow. There's so many. >> Wow. Wow. There's so many. >> Wow. Wow. There's so many. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I can't think of >> I can't think of >> I can't think of >> what hasn't. Tell me what's on the table >> what hasn't. Tell me what's on the table >> what hasn't. Tell me what's on the table still. still. still. >> That's where I'm trying. That's >> That's where I'm trying. That's >> That's where I'm trying. That's literally where I'm at right now cuz I literally where I'm at right now cuz I literally where I'm at right now cuz I think they've all been proven right. I think they've all been proven right. I think they've all been proven right. I think the um I think the power think the um I think the power think the um I think the power >> So um >> So um >> So um >> Oh, I got one. >> Oh, I got one. >> Oh, I got one. >> So So the pyramids, you know, the theory >> So So the pyramids, you know, the theory >> So So the pyramids, you know, the theory of it being an actual source of power. of it being an actual source of power. of it being an actual source of power. Yeah, I think that one's going to be Yeah, I think that one's going to be Yeah, I think that one's going to be >> the next >> the next >> the next >> I got one. It's going to make >> I got one. It's going to make >> I got one. It's going to make >> all the co stuff has already been done. >> all the co stuff has already been done. >> all the co stuff has already been done. >> Well, that's already Yeah. That was >> Well, that's already Yeah. That was >> Well, that's already Yeah. That was [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] >> This is going to make people super >> This is going to make people super >> This is going to make people super angry. Everybody relax. What I'm about angry. Everybody relax. What I'm about angry. Everybody relax. What I'm about to say. Just calm down. But they did to say. Just calm down. But they did to say. Just calm down. But they did they took they took they took >> they took a bunch of AI um AIs. I'll >> they took a bunch of AI um AIs. I'll >> they took a bunch of AI um AIs. I'll read it to you guys and what they did read it to you guys and what they did read it to you guys and what they did and they put in a bunch of data. Uh they and they put in a bunch of data. Uh they and they put in a bunch of data. Uh they took Super Grock, ChatGBT, and Google took Super Grock, ChatGBT, and Google took Super Grock, ChatGBT, and Google Gemini and they gave them fed them a Gemini and they gave them fed them a Gemini and they gave them fed them a bunch of data and studies and they all bunch of data and studies and they all bunch of data and studies and they all concluded that vaccines cause autism. concluded that vaccines cause autism. concluded that vaccines cause autism. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> That's what the AIs did. >> That's what the AIs did. >> That's what the AIs did. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> I hope that doesn't come out true, you >> I hope that doesn't come out true, you >> I hope that doesn't come out true, you guys. If that does, guys. If that does, guys. If that does, >> that'll be terrible. >> that'll be terrible. >> that'll be terrible. >> That's such a That's such a hot topic to >> That's such a That's such a hot topic to >> That's such a That's such a hot topic to It would be brutal. It would be brutal. It would be brutal. >> It is. But if that comes out, by the >> It is. But if that comes out, by the >> It is. But if that comes out, by the way, who knows if they're right or way, who knows if they're right or way, who knows if they're right or whatever, but if it comes out and that's whatever, but if it comes out and that's whatever, but if it comes out and that's proven, oh my god, that's going to be proven, oh my god, that's going to be proven, oh my god, that's going to be really really really >> I wonder how bad how what what data they >> I wonder how bad how what what data they >> I wonder how bad how what what data they were scouring. Is it just a correlation were scouring. Is it just a correlation were scouring. Is it just a correlation though? Would they would they put there? though? Would they would they put there? though? Would they would they put there? I mean, I mean, I mean, >> I have no idea. >> I have no idea. >> I have no idea. >> Yeah, like that's um >> Yeah, like that's um >> Yeah, like that's um >> I don't know how AI does it. I yeah I >> I don't know how AI does it. I yeah I >> I don't know how AI does it. I yeah I would imagine uh what led to that you would imagine uh what led to that you would imagine uh what led to that you know quote unquote conspiracy theory if know quote unquote conspiracy theory if know quote unquote conspiracy theory if you want to call it that uh is that you want to call it that uh is that you want to call it that uh is that there there was a high enough there there was a high enough there there was a high enough correlation that people started correlation that people started correlation that people started connecting saying that and so there was connecting saying that and so there was connecting saying that and so there was already I mean I think the human mind already I mean I think the human mind already I mean I think the human mind had already figured out that there's had already figured out that there's had already figured out that there's there's there seems to be a correlation there's there seems to be a correlation there's there seems to be a correlation there and so there and so there and so >> there must have been a release of a lot >> there must have been a release of a lot >> there must have been a release of a lot of data because they do internal studies of data because they do internal studies of data because they do internal studies all the time with these um medications all the time with these um medications all the time with these um medications >> so analyzed a 82page study is what they >> so analyzed a 82page study is what they >> so analyzed a 82page study is what they did and they they concluded included. did and they they concluded included. did and they they concluded included. This is what the AI devices concluded. This is what the AI devices concluded. This is what the AI devices concluded. >> There you go, Douglas. >> There you go, Douglas. >> There you go, Douglas. >> That's the one. >> That's the one. >> That's the one. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> That's nice, dude. >> That's nice, dude. >> That's nice, dude. >> Yeah, I have mine. Mine's like a >> Yeah, I have mine. Mine's like a >> Yeah, I have mine. Mine's like a charcoal color. Yeah, it's sick, dude. charcoal color. Yeah, it's sick, dude. charcoal color. Yeah, it's sick, dude. >> It's really cool. I didn't know there >> It's really cool. I didn't know there >> It's really cool. I didn't know there was other colors. was other colors. was other colors. >> I want that blue one. >> I want that blue one. >> I want that blue one. >> I'm so getting other colors. >> I'm so getting other colors. >> I'm so getting other colors. >> Look at that, dude. You should be a >> Look at that, dude. You should be a >> Look at that, dude. You should be a model for them, bro. model for them, bro. model for them, bro. >> Stop it. >> Stop it. >> Stop it. >> You got to have a face like that. >> You got to have a face like that. >> You got to have a face like that. >> I don't have that look, dude. I don't >> I don't have that look, dude. I don't >> I don't have that look, dude. I don't have a jawline like that. have a jawline like that. have a jawline like that. >> No. Yeah. >> No. Yeah. >> No. Yeah. >> You ever seen Hey, show me a model >> You ever seen Hey, show me a model >> You ever seen Hey, show me a model that's got a fat face. that's got a fat face. that's got a fat face. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Models don't have fat faces. >> Models don't have fat faces. >> Models don't have fat faces. >> You know what? You You kind of That's >> You know what? You You kind of That's >> You know what? You You kind of That's weird. That's true. You're like ultra weird. That's true. You're like ultra weird. That's true. You're like ultra handsome fat face, though. Yeah. handsome fat face, though. Yeah. handsome fat face, though. Yeah. >> How does that work? >> How does that work? >> How does that work? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good job, dude. >> Good job, dude. >> Good job, dude. >> You just got to look you got to look >> You just got to look you got to look >> You just got to look you got to look confused like where is he looking right confused like where is he looking right confused like where is he looking right now? now? now? >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't have the I >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't have the I >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't have the I don't have the jawline, dude, to be uh don't have the jawline, dude, to be uh don't have the jawline, dude, to be uh >> to be a model at all. So, or the >> to be a model at all. So, or the >> to be a model at all. 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Thank you. what you >> Awesome. All right. Thank you. what you got for us? got for us? got for us? >> All right. So, I'll just jump right into >> All right. So, I'll just jump right into >> All right. So, I'll just jump right into my question. Um, so my question is, how my question. Um, so my question is, how my question. Um, so my question is, how should I train during pregnancy and should I train during pregnancy and should I train during pregnancy and before getting pregnant? What should be before getting pregnant? What should be before getting pregnant? What should be the goal during this time and what can I the goal during this time and what can I the goal during this time and what can I expect? So, for a little context, I expect? So, for a little context, I expect? So, for a little context, I eventually want to cut and reach a body eventually want to cut and reach a body eventually want to cut and reach a body fat goal of 20 to 22%. I'm currently 51 fat goal of 20 to 22%. I'm currently 51 fat goal of 20 to 22%. I'm currently 51 um and around 130 lbs with a body fat um and around 130 lbs with a body fat um and around 130 lbs with a body fat around 28%. I eat around 2300 to 2500 around 28%. I eat around 2300 to 2500 around 28%. I eat around 2300 to 2500 calories per day. I did a reverse diet calories per day. I did a reverse diet calories per day. I did a reverse diet at uh 25 I got up to 2500 to get my at uh 25 I got up to 2500 to get my at uh 25 I got up to 2500 to get my period back and I've had a consistent period back and I've had a consistent period back and I've had a consistent period the past 3 months. So after period the past 3 months. So after period the past 3 months. So after having my first baby, I had a tough having my first baby, I had a tough having my first baby, I had a tough postpartum. I had an unexpected postpartum. I had an unexpected postpartum. I had an unexpected C-section and lost a lot of weight C-section and lost a lot of weight C-section and lost a lot of weight afterwards. I was around 118 pounds afterwards. I was around 118 pounds afterwards. I was around 118 pounds postpartum. postpartum. postpartum. I didn't have a period even after I I didn't have a period even after I I didn't have a period even after I stopped breastfeeding and finally stopped breastfeeding and finally stopped breastfeeding and finally realized I had hypothalamic amenorhea. realized I had hypothalamic amenorhea. realized I had hypothalamic amenorhea. So, I cut back on activity and I So, I cut back on activity and I So, I cut back on activity and I increased my calories. I eventually got increased my calories. I eventually got increased my calories. I eventually got it back um at 1 and 1/2 years after uh it back um at 1 and 1/2 years after uh it back um at 1 and 1/2 years after uh giving birth. I've been at maintenance giving birth. I've been at maintenance giving birth. I've been at maintenance and while I really want to try to work and while I really want to try to work and while I really want to try to work towards my body fat goal, I know I towards my body fat goal, I know I towards my body fat goal, I know I shouldn't try to cut right now. My shouldn't try to cut right now. My shouldn't try to cut right now. My husband and I want to start trying for a husband and I want to start trying for a husband and I want to start trying for a second baby in the next couple months. second baby in the next couple months. second baby in the next couple months. So, should my goal during this time be So, should my goal during this time be So, should my goal during this time be maintenance? Um, can I expect to make maintenance? Um, can I expect to make maintenance? Um, can I expect to make any gains during pregnancy? any gains during pregnancy? any gains during pregnancy? >> Yeah, good question. I see you wearing >> Yeah, good question. I see you wearing >> Yeah, good question. I see you wearing scrubs, by the way. Do you work in the scrubs, by the way. Do you work in the scrubs, by the way. Do you work in the medical field? medical field? medical field? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. What do you do if you don't >> Awesome. What do you do if you don't >> Awesome. What do you do if you don't mind me asking? mind me asking? mind me asking? >> Yeah, I'm actually a dentist. >> Yeah, I'm actually a dentist. >> Yeah, I'm actually a dentist. >> Okay, cool. Very cool. And I wanted to >> Okay, cool. Very cool. And I wanted to >> Okay, cool. Very cool. And I wanted to ask that question because um it you have ask that question because um it you have ask that question because um it you have it seems like just based off of um you it seems like just based off of um you it seems like just based off of um you know not getting your period and and know not getting your period and and know not getting your period and and kind of what you experienced before that kind of what you experienced before that kind of what you experienced before that you probably uh veer more towards stress you probably uh veer more towards stress you probably uh veer more towards stress uh and do uh rather than rest. Is that uh and do uh rather than rest. Is that uh and do uh rather than rest. Is that accurate would you say? accurate would you say? accurate would you say? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So yeah. So um for people >> Okay. So yeah. So um for people >> Okay. So yeah. So um for people listening um hypothalic aminora is a listening um hypothalic aminora is a listening um hypothalic aminora is a result of typically it's too much stress result of typically it's too much stress result of typically it's too much stress not enough eating and so your body just not enough eating and so your body just not enough eating and so your body just doesn't want to be fertile. So what you doesn't want to be fertile. So what you doesn't want to be fertile. So what you did during that period is you probably did during that period is you probably did during that period is you probably did less work and ate more and then the did less work and ate more and then the did less work and ate more and then the period came back and now you're saying period came back and now you're saying period came back and now you're saying you got it back for the last 3 months. you got it back for the last 3 months. you got it back for the last 3 months. >> Yeah. And also I have a history of an >> Yeah. And also I have a history of an >> Yeah. And also I have a history of an eating disorder. So, I think even though eating disorder. So, I think even though eating disorder. So, I think even though my body fat percentage and like even my my body fat percentage and like even my my body fat percentage and like even my weight was probably like at a like could weight was probably like at a like could weight was probably like at a like could be a healthy um number, I think just be a healthy um number, I think just be a healthy um number, I think just given what my body's been through in the given what my body's been through in the given what my body's been through in the past, too. Maybe it's a little more past, too. Maybe it's a little more past, too. Maybe it's a little more protective. protective. protective. >> Yep. I would agree. That's a really >> Yep. I would agree. That's a really >> Yep. I would agree. That's a really really good observation. Yeah. Yeah. really good observation. Yeah. Yeah. really good observation. Yeah. Yeah. Very good observation. So, your body fat Very good observation. So, your body fat Very good observation. So, your body fat percentage is actually exactly where you percentage is actually exactly where you percentage is actually exactly where you want to be to get pregnant. So, want to be to get pregnant. So, want to be to get pregnant. So, typically mid to high 20s is where typically mid to high 20s is where typically mid to high 20s is where you'll see the best fertility. Uh if you'll see the best fertility. Uh if you'll see the best fertility. Uh if you're trying to get pregnant right now, you're trying to get pregnant right now, you're trying to get pregnant right now, there is no fitness goal. there is no fitness goal. there is no fitness goal. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're just you're just working out. >> You're just you're just working out. >> You're just you're just working out. Now, if you get stronger, that's a good Now, if you get stronger, that's a good Now, if you get stronger, that's a good sign. sign. sign. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because that means you're eating enough. >> Because that means you're eating enough. >> Because that means you're eating enough. >> So, if you have to have a goal, the goal >> So, if you have to have a goal, the goal >> So, if you have to have a goal, the goal I would have is to get stronger in the I would have is to get stronger in the I would have is to get stronger in the gym. gym. gym. >> Muscle preservation. >> Muscle preservation. >> Muscle preservation. >> Yeah. So, because getting stronger >> Yeah. So, because getting stronger >> Yeah. So, because getting stronger typically means I'm eating enough. Uh my typically means I'm eating enough. Uh my typically means I'm eating enough. Uh my stress is okay. I'm getting good sleep. stress is okay. I'm getting good sleep. stress is okay. I'm getting good sleep. Uh so, if you need a goal, it's to get Uh so, if you need a goal, it's to get Uh so, if you need a goal, it's to get stronger. And I would start I would stronger. And I would start I would stronger. And I would start I would start back up on the slow reverse diet start back up on the slow reverse diet start back up on the slow reverse diet right now. right now. right now. >> I keep them calories around 2500 for >> I keep them calories around 2500 for >> I keep them calories around 2500 for sure. 2500 in a three-day a week type of sure. 2500 in a three-day a week type of sure. 2500 in a three-day a week type of training program or like a MAPS 15 type training program or like a MAPS 15 type training program or like a MAPS 15 type of protocol. Either one of those two of protocol. Either one of those two of protocol. Either one of those two programs with eating 2500 calories programs with eating 2500 calories programs with eating 2500 calories should keep you in that good place. should keep you in that good place. should keep you in that good place. >> Yeah, I like MAPS 15 a lot, especially >> Yeah, I like MAPS 15 a lot, especially >> Yeah, I like MAPS 15 a lot, especially with the the workload that you probably with the the workload that you probably with the the workload that you probably have. Um have. Um have. Um >> and the responsibilities that you hold. >> and the responsibilities that you hold. >> and the responsibilities that you hold. Plus your b your your first child is Plus your b your your first child is Plus your b your your first child is what uh a year and a half old. what uh a year and a half old. what uh a year and a half old. >> Yeah, he'll be turn turning two soon. >> Yeah, he'll be turn turning two soon. >> Yeah, he'll be turn turning two soon. >> Okay. So, you're still >> Okay. So, you're still >> Okay. So, you're still >> got your hands full. >> got your hands full. >> got your hands full. >> Yeah, you still got your hands full. So, >> Yeah, you still got your hands full. So, >> Yeah, you still got your hands full. So, it takes a little while for that to slow it takes a little while for that to slow it takes a little while for that to slow down. Uh so, I would go maps 15, I would down. Uh so, I would go maps 15, I would down. Uh so, I would go maps 15, I would continue to reverse diet. And then when continue to reverse diet. And then when continue to reverse diet. And then when you're pregnant, the uh idea is for you're pregnant, the uh idea is for you're pregnant, the uh idea is for exercise is to maintain good uh exercise is to maintain good uh exercise is to maintain good uh pain-free mobility and health. And so pain-free mobility and health. And so pain-free mobility and health. And so MAPS 15 would remain to be the best MAPS 15 would remain to be the best MAPS 15 would remain to be the best program and walking and you want to program and walking and you want to program and walking and you want to listen to your body. As you probably listen to your body. As you probably listen to your body. As you probably already know, first trimester sometimes already know, first trimester sometimes already know, first trimester sometimes really sucks. So if you can only do a really sucks. So if you can only do a really sucks. So if you can only do a little bit, then do that. If you can't little bit, then do that. If you can't little bit, then do that. If you can't do anything, then don't do that. Um, and do anything, then don't do that. Um, and do anything, then don't do that. Um, and you're just listening to your body the you're just listening to your body the you're just listening to your body the whole time. Postpartum, once you get whole time. Postpartum, once you get whole time. Postpartum, once you get cleared, depending on the situation, uh, cleared, depending on the situation, uh, cleared, depending on the situation, uh, now you're looking at MAP starter, and now you're looking at MAP starter, and now you're looking at MAP starter, and that would be the ideal program. Uh, that would be the ideal program. Uh, that would be the ideal program. Uh, postpartum. By the way, what I'm telling postpartum. By the way, what I'm telling postpartum. By the way, what I'm telling you isn't just the best advice for you isn't just the best advice for you isn't just the best advice for fertility, it's also the best advice for fertility, it's also the best advice for fertility, it's also the best advice for overall fitness and health. overall fitness and health. overall fitness and health. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> they're actually both the same. Because >> they're actually both the same. Because >> they're actually both the same. Because if we go opposite of what I'm saying, uh if we go opposite of what I'm saying, uh if we go opposite of what I'm saying, uh not only will you reduce your your not only will you reduce your your not only will you reduce your your chances of getting pregnant, you'll also chances of getting pregnant, you'll also chances of getting pregnant, you'll also prolong the amount of time it's going to prolong the amount of time it's going to prolong the amount of time it's going to take to quote unquote get back in shape take to quote unquote get back in shape take to quote unquote get back in shape and all that. So, it's actually the same and all that. So, it's actually the same and all that. So, it's actually the same thing. And I'm only saying that to sell thing. And I'm only saying that to sell thing. And I'm only saying that to sell you, by the way. What I'm saying is you, by the way. What I'm saying is you, by the way. What I'm saying is true. I'm not making it up. But I'm only true. I'm not making it up. But I'm only true. I'm not making it up. But I'm only saying that to sell you on this because saying that to sell you on this because saying that to sell you on this because you probably have a tendency to go, you probably have a tendency to go, you probably have a tendency to go, "Yeah, but I want to I want to get this "Yeah, but I want to I want to get this "Yeah, but I want to I want to get this at the same time." at the same time." at the same time." >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. So, what you're saying is I can I >> Yeah. So, what you're saying is I can I >> Yeah. So, what you're saying is I can I should keep increasing my calories right should keep increasing my calories right should keep increasing my calories right now. now. now. >> Are you at Are you at 2500 right now? >> Are you at Are you at 2500 right now? >> Are you at Are you at 2500 right now? >> Yeah. And I mean I think just give or >> Yeah. And I mean I think just give or >> Yeah. And I mean I think just give or take the the type of day it's um it's take the the type of day it's um it's take the the type of day it's um it's right around there, but I can eat right around there, but I can eat right around there, but I can eat anywhere from like 2300 to 2500 and it anywhere from like 2300 to 2500 and it anywhere from like 2300 to 2500 and it seems like my weight is kind of stable. seems like my weight is kind of stable. seems like my weight is kind of stable. Yes. Um Yes. Um Yes. Um >> you're probably in a good place right >> you're probably in a good place right >> you're probably in a good place right now. Are you uh what's your activity now. Are you uh what's your activity now. Are you uh what's your activity like throughout the day? How how many like throughout the day? How how many like throughout the day? How how many how often do you like like how many how often do you like like how many how often do you like like how many steps? Have you ever tracked how many steps? Have you ever tracked how many steps? Have you ever tracked how many steps you're at? steps you're at? steps you're at? >> I'm at like 10,000 about a day. >> I'm at like 10,000 about a day. >> I'm at like 10,000 about a day. >> Okay. You're moving pretty good then. >> Okay. You're moving pretty good then. >> Okay. You're moving pretty good then. Yeah, I' I'd want you hitting 2500. That Yeah, I' I'd want you hitting 2500. That Yeah, I' I'd want you hitting 2500. That would be kind of consistently. Yeah, would be kind of consistently. Yeah, would be kind of consistently. Yeah, consistently hitting 2500. consistently hitting 2500. consistently hitting 2500. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, >> So, >> So, um should I try to bump up like my um should I try to bump up like my um should I try to bump up like my calories and I guess intentionally to calories and I guess intentionally to calories and I guess intentionally to bulk to or stronger? bulk to or stronger? bulk to or stronger? >> I would let your body tell you. In other >> I would let your body tell you. In other >> I would let your body tell you. In other words, I would the goal would be to hit words, I would the goal would be to hit words, I would the goal would be to hit 25, follow the training program and try 25, follow the training program and try 25, follow the training program and try and be get strong. If you start to build and be get strong. If you start to build and be get strong. If you start to build muscle, you'll feel an appetite muscle, you'll feel an appetite muscle, you'll feel an appetite increase. And if your appetite increase. And if your appetite increase. And if your appetite increases, feed it whole foods and go increases, feed it whole foods and go increases, feed it whole foods and go ahead and let your calories come up. But ahead and let your calories come up. But ahead and let your calories come up. But you also might be at a pretty good you also might be at a pretty good you also might be at a pretty good number. 2500 51 number. 2500 51 number. 2500 51 >> is not bad. >> is not bad. >> is not bad. >> It's not bad. It's a It's a good place >> It's not bad. It's a It's a good place >> It's not bad. It's a It's a good place to be. You're at a healthy body fat to be. You're at a healthy body fat to be. You're at a healthy body fat percentage. You're probably in a really percentage. You're probably in a really percentage. You're probably in a really good place to kind of hover. So, I'd good place to kind of hover. So, I'd good place to kind of hover. So, I'd hover right around there. But if my hover right around there. But if my hover right around there. But if my appetite increases, cuz I'm on a good appetite increases, cuz I'm on a good appetite increases, cuz I'm on a good strength training program, I'd let you strength training program, I'd let you strength training program, I'd let you go up 26 2,800 calories if you feel it. go up 26 2,800 calories if you feel it. go up 26 2,800 calories if you feel it. But if you don't feel it, I don't I But if you don't feel it, I don't I But if you don't feel it, I don't I don't need you to stuff yourself to get don't need you to stuff yourself to get don't need you to stuff yourself to get over that. over that. over that. >> But I wouldn't go below. >> But I wouldn't go below. >> But I wouldn't go below. >> Yeah, I wouldn't go lower. Yeah, I >> Yeah, I wouldn't go lower. Yeah, I >> Yeah, I wouldn't go lower. Yeah, I wouldn't go lower. And especially wouldn't go lower. And especially wouldn't go lower. And especially because you just got back your period, because you just got back your period, because you just got back your period, which tells us that you're you're moving which tells us that you're you're moving which tells us that you're you're moving in the right direction. in the right direction. in the right direction. >> Yeah, we definitely don't want to try >> Yeah, we definitely don't want to try >> Yeah, we definitely don't want to try and restrict and cut from where you're and restrict and cut from where you're and restrict and cut from where you're at. You want to you want to eat to where at. You want to you want to eat to where at. You want to you want to eat to where you're satisfied. you're satisfied. you're satisfied. >> I think you're at a healthy place at >> I think you're at a healthy place at >> I think you're at a healthy place at 2500 calories. If your appetite 2500 calories. If your appetite 2500 calories. If your appetite increases, it's probably because you're increases, it's probably because you're increases, it's probably because you're starting to build muscle on the program starting to build muscle on the program starting to build muscle on the program and then I would say go for it. Bump and then I would say go for it. Bump and then I would say go for it. Bump bump your calories a little bit. bump your calories a little bit. bump your calories a little bit. >> Okay. Um during pregnancy, do people >> Okay. Um during pregnancy, do people >> Okay. Um during pregnancy, do people still get like can they still get still get like can they still get still get like can they still get stronger during that time? I mean, you stronger during that time? I mean, you stronger during that time? I mean, you can, but that's not the goal, right? So, can, but that's not the goal, right? So, can, but that's not the goal, right? So, in other words, in other words, in other words, >> if I'm training you through that >> if I'm training you through that >> if I'm training you through that process, it's we're we're following the process, it's we're we're following the process, it's we're we're following the same program as that you were doing same program as that you were doing same program as that you were doing before you got pregnant. And a good goal before you got pregnant. And a good goal before you got pregnant. And a good goal for us is like, can if we were able to for us is like, can if we were able to for us is like, can if we were able to maintain that strength through, that maintain that strength through, that maintain that strength through, that would be an awesome win. But I'm also would be an awesome win. But I'm also would be an awesome win. But I'm also listening to your body. Like, if you listening to your body. Like, if you listening to your body. Like, if you came in and you saw me and you're like, came in and you saw me and you're like, came in and you saw me and you're like, "Oh, Adam, I'm just didn't get the "Oh, Adam, I'm just didn't get the "Oh, Adam, I'm just didn't get the greatest of sleep. I don't feel great. greatest of sleep. I don't feel great. greatest of sleep. I don't feel great. I'm going to I'm going to back off I'm going to I'm going to back off I'm going to I'm going to back off intensity. We're But if you're feeling intensity. We're But if you're feeling intensity. We're But if you're feeling great, we're going to keep going along great, we're going to keep going along great, we're going to keep going along the way we're going." And I've had the way we're going." And I've had the way we're going." And I've had clients train literally up till the week clients train literally up till the week clients train literally up till the week they popped the baby out and maintain they popped the baby out and maintain they popped the baby out and maintain their strength that they did going into their strength that they did going into their strength that they did going into pregnancy. pregnancy. pregnancy. >> But here's what here's what you should >> But here's what here's what you should >> But here's what here's what you should expect though. You should expect the expect though. You should expect the expect though. You should expect the first and third trimester to not be as first and third trimester to not be as first and third trimester to not be as strong. strong. strong. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Typically first trimester uh which may >> Typically first trimester uh which may >> Typically first trimester uh which may be experienced. Not all women do, but be experienced. Not all women do, but be experienced. Not all women do, but it's typically it's typically it's typically >> nausea. I'm not getting enough food >> nausea. I'm not getting enough food >> nausea. I'm not getting enough food because everything sounds gross and so because everything sounds gross and so because everything sounds gross and so you're feeling kind of weaker. Second you're feeling kind of weaker. Second you're feeling kind of weaker. Second trimester, you know, they call it the trimester, you know, they call it the trimester, you know, they call it the honeymoon trimester. I'm feeling great. honeymoon trimester. I'm feeling great. honeymoon trimester. I'm feeling great. I'm strong. All good. third trimester, I'm strong. All good. third trimester, I'm strong. All good. third trimester, especially towards the end, I'm out of especially towards the end, I'm out of especially towards the end, I'm out of breath. I don't have the energy. So, I breath. I don't have the energy. So, I breath. I don't have the energy. So, I So, you know, maintaining strength is a So, you know, maintaining strength is a So, you know, maintaining strength is a gift uh during pregnancy. Uh getting gift uh during pregnancy. Uh getting gift uh during pregnancy. Uh getting stronger is like a a blessing. stronger is like a a blessing. stronger is like a a blessing. >> Just remember this. You if you've been >> Just remember this. You if you've been >> Just remember this. You if you've been listening to show long enough, you've listening to show long enough, you've listening to show long enough, you've heard us say this. Uh to maintain the heard us say this. Uh to maintain the heard us say this. Uh to maintain the muscle you built takes very little. So, muscle you built takes very little. So, muscle you built takes very little. So, if you if you do a good job right now if you if you do a good job right now if you if you do a good job right now before pregnancy, like as you're trying before pregnancy, like as you're trying before pregnancy, like as you're trying to get pregnant, like building muscle to get pregnant, like building muscle to get pregnant, like building muscle and staying fit and staying healthy, and staying fit and staying healthy, and staying fit and staying healthy, when you get pregnant, the amount of when you get pregnant, the amount of when you get pregnant, the amount of training and volume you need to maintain training and volume you need to maintain training and volume you need to maintain that muscle is very minimal. It's one that muscle is very minimal. It's one that muscle is very minimal. It's one like 17th. So, imagine how much you can like 17th. So, imagine how much you can like 17th. So, imagine how much you can still scale back during pregnancy and still scale back during pregnancy and still scale back during pregnancy and still keep a healthy, strong, fit body. still keep a healthy, strong, fit body. still keep a healthy, strong, fit body. >> Um, actually to go off of that, is it >> Um, actually to go off of that, is it >> Um, actually to go off of that, is it okay if I ask one more question to go okay if I ask one more question to go okay if I ask one more question to go off? off? off? >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so with this first with >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so with this first with >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so with this first with my first baby, like after my surgery, my first baby, like after my surgery, my first baby, like after my surgery, it felt I had to build from the ground it felt I had to build from the ground it felt I had to build from the ground up. Like I started I did pelvic floor up. Like I started I did pelvic floor up. Like I started I did pelvic floor therapy. It was body weight. So like in therapy. It was body weight. So like in therapy. It was body weight. So like in that time, I've come a long way and I that time, I've come a long way and I that time, I've come a long way and I lost all that weight including a lot of lost all that weight including a lot of lost all that weight including a lot of muscle and strength. I guess is there muscle and strength. I guess is there muscle and strength. I guess is there any if if I'm about to do that over any if if I'm about to do that over any if if I'm about to do that over again, like I'm almost nervous to have again, like I'm almost nervous to have again, like I'm almost nervous to have to do that all over again. Is there to do that all over again. Is there to do that all over again. Is there anything any tips or like things I anything any tips or like things I anything any tips or like things I should keep in mind or what I can do should keep in mind or what I can do should keep in mind or what I can do differently? I I know looking back I'm differently? I I know looking back I'm differently? I I know looking back I'm like I definitely could have ate more like I definitely could have ate more like I definitely could have ate more because I I mean that's how I lost my because I I mean that's how I lost my because I I mean that's how I lost my period. But if there is anything else? period. But if there is anything else? period. But if there is anything else? >> Well, I mean there's >> Well, I mean there's >> Well, I mean there's >> going into going into it or after it. >> going into going into it or after it. >> going into going into it or after it. Are we talking about like what you could Are we talking about like what you could Are we talking about like what you could be doing right now? be doing right now? be doing right now? >> Oh, after after >> Oh, after after >> Oh, after after >> Oh, well after what you did with pelvic >> Oh, well after what you did with pelvic >> Oh, well after what you did with pelvic floor stuff is is going to be crucial floor stuff is is going to be crucial floor stuff is is going to be crucial again. again. again. >> Yeah. And Lisa, I'm going to say this, >> Yeah. And Lisa, I'm going to say this, >> Yeah. And Lisa, I'm going to say this, like it's there's so the the information like it's there's so the the information like it's there's so the the information that's out there for postpartum fitness that's out there for postpartum fitness that's out there for postpartum fitness is is some of the worst I've ever seen. is is some of the worst I've ever seen. is is some of the worst I've ever seen. >> Um what you what they tend to advertise >> Um what you what they tend to advertise >> Um what you what they tend to advertise is, you know, you get back into shape, is, you know, you get back into shape, is, you know, you get back into shape, you know, 6 months you know, 6 months you know, 6 months >> postpartum, 9 months postpartum. Here's >> postpartum, 9 months postpartum. Here's >> postpartum, 9 months postpartum. Here's here's the the reality the and you're here's the the reality the and you're here's the the reality the and you're probably experiencing this even as probably experiencing this even as probably experiencing this even as someone who exercises. It takes like two someone who exercises. It takes like two someone who exercises. It takes like two years to feel like your old self. like years to feel like your old self. like years to feel like your old self. like you that doesn't mean you weren't you that doesn't mean you weren't you that doesn't mean you weren't progressing the whole time, but like it progressing the whole time, but like it progressing the whole time, but like it takes a while before you're like, "Oh my takes a while before you're like, "Oh my takes a while before you're like, "Oh my god, I feel like my old self." And then god, I feel like my old self." And then god, I feel like my old self." And then boom, I'm pregnant again. Is typically boom, I'm pregnant again. Is typically boom, I'm pregnant again. Is typically what it what it what what happens. what it what it what what happens. what it what it what what happens. >> So, you give yourself a little grace. >> So, you give yourself a little grace. >> So, you give yourself a little grace. It's a it's a radical change on the It's a it's a radical change on the It's a it's a radical change on the body. Now, going into uh you know, body. Now, going into uh you know, body. Now, going into uh you know, giving birth at a healthy body weight, giving birth at a healthy body weight, giving birth at a healthy body weight, feeding yourself well, being strong, the feeding yourself well, being strong, the feeding yourself well, being strong, the odds that you can have vaginal delivery, odds that you can have vaginal delivery, odds that you can have vaginal delivery, especially after having a C-section, especially after having a C-section, especially after having a C-section, goes up. It's it's it's better. goes up. It's it's it's better. goes up. It's it's it's better. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> It's much better. Um, and then there's >> It's much better. Um, and then there's >> It's much better. Um, and then there's other stuff that you could look into other stuff that you could look into other stuff that you could look into like really good duelas uh seem to like really good duelas uh seem to like really good duelas uh seem to increase the odds of uh of vaginal increase the odds of uh of vaginal increase the odds of uh of vaginal delivery and stuff like that. But, um, delivery and stuff like that. But, um, delivery and stuff like that. But, um, go into it wellfed, healthy, don't try go into it wellfed, healthy, don't try go into it wellfed, healthy, don't try to get lean. Don't try to overdo it. to get lean. Don't try to overdo it. to get lean. Don't try to overdo it. You're just taking care of yourself. And You're just taking care of yourself. And You're just taking care of yourself. And then postpartum, you know, it sounds then postpartum, you know, it sounds then postpartum, you know, it sounds like what you did was okay. Uh, and it like what you did was okay. Uh, and it like what you did was okay. Uh, and it might take a while. You might happen might take a while. You might happen might take a while. You might happen faster. So, the second pregnancy, second faster. So, the second pregnancy, second faster. So, the second pregnancy, second birth might be way better. My wife had a birth might be way better. My wife had a birth might be way better. My wife had a radically different experience the radically different experience the radically different experience the second time around. Much better. But the second time around. Much better. But the second time around. Much better. But the expectation is just what we tend to get expectation is just what we tend to get expectation is just what we tend to get from the fitness influencers. So crazy from the fitness influencers. So crazy from the fitness influencers. So crazy wrong. wrong. wrong. >> It takes a while. >> It takes a while. >> It takes a while. >> Okay. So it sounds like it's just kind >> Okay. So it sounds like it's just kind >> Okay. So it sounds like it's just kind of unavoidable. Like it's just hard. of unavoidable. Like it's just hard. of unavoidable. Like it's just hard. Like you have to kind of work from the Like you have to kind of work from the Like you have to kind of work from the ground up and build back up. ground up and build back up. ground up and build back up. >> And here's what's going to be difficult. >> And here's what's going to be difficult. >> And here's what's going to be difficult. I don't know. Have you heard me talk I don't know. Have you heard me talk I don't know. Have you heard me talk about my experience with Katrina when about my experience with Katrina when about my experience with Katrina when she when she got cleared? you're gonna she when she got cleared? you're gonna she when she got cleared? you're gonna feel like you can do more. And I was feel like you can do more. And I was feel like you can do more. And I was constantly telling her, you don't need constantly telling her, you don't need constantly telling her, you don't need to. Like we're staying in map starter. to. Like we're staying in map starter. to. Like we're staying in map starter. So she want she after like two weeks of So she want she after like two weeks of So she want she after like two weeks of map starter, she's like, I want more, map starter, she's like, I want more, map starter, she's like, I want more, but let's get back to map. And I'm like, but let's get back to map. And I'm like, but let's get back to map. And I'm like, why? You haven't done anything for 6 why? You haven't done anything for 6 why? You haven't done anything for 6 weeks, you know, plus like it's your weeks, you know, plus like it's your weeks, you know, plus like it's your body very little it will take to elicit body very little it will take to elicit body very little it will take to elicit change. And so it's like doing pelvic change. And so it's like doing pelvic change. And so it's like doing pelvic floor exercises, doing MAP starter is floor exercises, doing MAP starter is floor exercises, doing MAP starter is enough of a program and volume to enough of a program and volume to enough of a program and volume to progress your body over the next 3 progress your body over the next 3 progress your body over the next 3 months. And so it was really difficult months. And so it was really difficult months. And so it was really difficult for her to to get that. Now I'm c now for her to to get that. Now I'm c now for her to to get that. Now I'm c now after a while she put it together and after a while she put it together and after a while she put it together and was like okay she listened to me and but was like okay she listened to me and but was like okay she listened to me and but it was I know what it's like. You'll it was I know what it's like. You'll it was I know what it's like. You'll feel good. You'll start to feel good and feel good. You'll start to feel good and feel good. You'll start to feel good and you'll want to do more. The proper way you'll want to do more. The proper way you'll want to do more. The proper way is probably what you did which is pelvic is probably what you did which is pelvic is probably what you did which is pelvic floor stuff then start to introduce floor stuff then start to introduce floor stuff then start to introduce exercise. But when you're coming off a exercise. But when you're coming off a exercise. But when you're coming off a layoff of 6 8 weeks of no exercise at layoff of 6 8 weeks of no exercise at layoff of 6 8 weeks of no exercise at all and also giving birth, you don't all and also giving birth, you don't all and also giving birth, you don't need to do very much for your body to need to do very much for your body to need to do very much for your body to start to adapt and change in the right start to adapt and change in the right start to adapt and change in the right direction. And in fact, doing too much direction. And in fact, doing too much direction. And in fact, doing too much will only set you back and you take will only set you back and you take will only set you back and you take longer to get to where you want. longer to get to where you want. longer to get to where you want. >> Yeah. There's also too because >> Yeah. There's also too because >> Yeah. There's also too because C-sections are so common, we tend to C-sections are so common, we tend to C-sections are so common, we tend to think of them as like a minor procedure. think of them as like a minor procedure. think of them as like a minor procedure. That's a big it's a big surgery. I mean, That's a big it's a big surgery. I mean, That's a big it's a big surgery. I mean, they cut right through they cut right through they cut right through >> lots of different, you know, core stabil >> lots of different, you know, core stabil >> lots of different, you know, core stabil core muscle. So, so if you have another core muscle. So, so if you have another core muscle. So, so if you have another C-section, you're going to have to add C-section, you're going to have to add C-section, you're going to have to add you add some time to that for sure, you add some time to that for sure, you add some time to that for sure, which you've already experienced. So, which you've already experienced. So, which you've already experienced. So, just keep that in mind as well. just keep that in mind as well. just keep that in mind as well. >> Right. Is the goal of like a body fat >> Right. Is the goal of like a body fat >> Right. Is the goal of like a body fat percentage like 20 to 22%? Um is that percentage like 20 to 22%? Um is that percentage like 20 to 22%? Um is that realistic one day? Like is that do I realistic one day? Like is that do I realistic one day? Like is that do I need to like just like redefine and like need to like just like redefine and like need to like just like redefine and like you know kind redefine uh postpartum? you know kind redefine uh postpartum? you know kind redefine uh postpartum? >> Okay. Once things start to settle and >> Okay. Once things start to settle and >> Okay. Once things start to settle and you start to feel good and you're you start to feel good and you're you start to feel good and you're healthy and your baby's sleeping and healthy and your baby's sleeping and healthy and your baby's sleeping and then you can start chasing it. But you then you can start chasing it. But you then you can start chasing it. But you but the the ideal healthy body fat but the the ideal healthy body fat but the the ideal healthy body fat percentage uh before, during, and after percentage uh before, during, and after percentage uh before, during, and after pregnancy is actually mid to high 20s. pregnancy is actually mid to high 20s. pregnancy is actually mid to high 20s. It's not low 20s. Uh low 20s is like It's not low 20s. Uh low 20s is like It's not low 20s. Uh low 20s is like fitness. I look good in bikini type of fitness. I look good in bikini type of fitness. I look good in bikini type of deal. But when it comes to you need a deal. But when it comes to you need a deal. But when it comes to you need a little bit of that cushion, uh it's also little bit of that cushion, uh it's also little bit of that cushion, uh it's also tends to be if you're fit and healthy, I tends to be if you're fit and healthy, I tends to be if you're fit and healthy, I should say that's the context. It tends should say that's the context. It tends should say that's the context. It tends to give you a better hormone profile. Um to give you a better hormone profile. Um to give you a better hormone profile. Um uh so that's you kind of want to stay uh so that's you kind of want to stay uh so that's you kind of want to stay there uh for a little bit and maybe not there uh for a little bit and maybe not there uh for a little bit and maybe not chase getting leaner until much later. chase getting leaner until much later. chase getting leaner until much later. Also keep this in mind too which we we Also keep this in mind too which we we Also keep this in mind too which we we always try to communicate is uh always try to communicate is uh always try to communicate is uh >> 25 to 27% looks different with more >> 25 to 27% looks different with more >> 25 to 27% looks different with more muscle too. Sometimes we get this muscle too. Sometimes we get this muscle too. Sometimes we get this arbitrary number of like oh I I think arbitrary number of like oh I I think arbitrary number of like oh I I think that percentage is where I would look that percentage is where I would look that percentage is where I would look this way. It's like I bet if I put 10 15 this way. It's like I bet if I put 10 15 this way. It's like I bet if I put 10 15 pounds of muscle on you right now same pounds of muscle on you right now same pounds of muscle on you right now same body fat percentage look body fat percentage look body fat percentage look >> you would look different. You would look >> you would look different. You would look >> you would look different. You would look more shapely. you would have you you so more shapely. you would have you you so more shapely. you would have you you so a lot of times we get hung up on like a a lot of times we get hung up on like a a lot of times we get hung up on like a body fat percentage and we're far body fat percentage and we're far body fat percentage and we're far healthier and better off trying to build healthier and better off trying to build healthier and better off trying to build more muscle in our body and then you can more muscle in our body and then you can more muscle in our body and then you can carry yourself at a higher body fat carry yourself at a higher body fat carry yourself at a higher body fat percentage and still have the look that percentage and still have the look that percentage and still have the look that you're trying to achieve at 2022. So you're trying to achieve at 2022. So you're trying to achieve at 2022. So don't get hung up on a percentage of a don't get hung up on a percentage of a don't get hung up on a percentage of a number per se. You're in a better place number per se. You're in a better place number per se. You're in a better place eating more calories, trying to build eating more calories, trying to build eating more calories, trying to build muscle and when you come out of the baby muscle and when you come out of the baby muscle and when you come out of the baby you do that slowly and focus more on you do that slowly and focus more on you do that slowly and focus more on that. focus more on getting a healthy that. focus more on getting a healthy that. focus more on getting a healthy metabolism, building muscle, getting metabolism, building muscle, getting metabolism, building muscle, getting strong, and taking your time and strong, and taking your time and strong, and taking your time and listening to your body. And like you'll listening to your body. And like you'll listening to your body. And like you'll you'll get there. And if you absolutely you'll get there. And if you absolutely you'll get there. And if you absolutely want to get through this, like if you want to get through this, like if you want to get through this, like if you were my client, you're like, I want to were my client, you're like, I want to were my client, you're like, I want to see what it looks like. Okay, we can get see what it looks like. Okay, we can get see what it looks like. Okay, we can get down there. I'll show you. But I could down there. I'll show you. But I could down there. I'll show you. But I could also show you what you loving your body also show you what you loving your body also show you what you loving your body looks like at 25 to 28% body fat, too. looks like at 25 to 28% body fat, too. looks like at 25 to 28% body fat, too. >> Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. I think >> Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. I think >> Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. I think for a long period I was just um I wanted for a long period I was just um I wanted for a long period I was just um I wanted to look like I worked out because I've to look like I worked out because I've to look like I worked out because I've I've lifted for several years and I just I've lifted for several years and I just I've lifted for several years and I just felt like I didn't look like it and so I felt like I didn't look like it and so I felt like I didn't look like it and so I think that was why I came up with that think that was why I came up with that think that was why I came up with that >> goal or that number just in my mind I >> goal or that number just in my mind I >> goal or that number just in my mind I was like that's when you look lean and was like that's when you look lean and was like that's when you look lean and fit. fit. fit. >> Totally. No, totally. >> Totally. No, totally. >> Totally. No, totally. >> I get Lisa, can I ask you a question? >> I get Lisa, can I ask you a question? >> I get Lisa, can I ask you a question? >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Would your friends and your husband say >> Would your friends and your husband say >> Would your friends and your husband say you look like you lift weights? I don't know. I My husband will, but I don't know. I My husband will, but he's also Yeah. Um, he's also Yeah. Um, he's also Yeah. Um, >> but he's my husband, so >> but he's my husband, so >> but he's my husband, so >> Well, he also sees you naked, so he has >> Well, he also sees you naked, so he has >> Well, he also sees you naked, so he has the best he has the best vantage to be the best he has the best vantage to be the best he has the best vantage to be honest. honest. honest. >> And and and he's the most important >> And and and he's the most important >> And and and he's the most important person. What he thinks of how you look person. What he thinks of how you look person. What he thinks of how you look is way more important than other people. is way more important than other people. is way more important than other people. >> But and also look, you said you have a >> But and also look, you said you have a >> But and also look, you said you have a history of challenge around this. history of challenge around this. history of challenge around this. >> You know, you can't necessarily trust >> You know, you can't necessarily trust >> You know, you can't necessarily trust >> your subjective uh you know, how you >> your subjective uh you know, how you >> your subjective uh you know, how you view yourself physically. So, this is a view yourself physically. So, this is a view yourself physically. So, this is a good time to like ask your husband good time to like ask your husband good time to like ask your husband >> and ask your friends and and they're >> and ask your friends and and they're >> and ask your friends and and they're probably going to be honest with you and probably going to be honest with you and probably going to be honest with you and you probably already get comments. I bet you probably already get comments. I bet you probably already get comments. I bet you already do get comments maybe at you already do get comments maybe at you already do get comments maybe at work or whatever like, "Oh, yeah, you work or whatever like, "Oh, yeah, you work or whatever like, "Oh, yeah, you look like you work out or you look fit." look like you work out or you look fit." look like you work out or you look fit." And you might discredit them because And you might discredit them because And you might discredit them because you're like, "No, no, I don't. You're you're like, "No, no, I don't. You're you're like, "No, no, I don't. You're just being nice type of deal." So, just just being nice type of deal." So, just just being nice type of deal." So, just consider that as well. consider that as well. consider that as well. >> We're gonna have Doug send Maps 15 over >> We're gonna have Doug send Maps 15 over >> We're gonna have Doug send Maps 15 over to you and then uh after you after you to you and then uh after you after you to you and then uh after you after you have this baby, uh you can reach back have this baby, uh you can reach back have this baby, uh you can reach back out to us, let us know how you're let us out to us, let us know how you're let us out to us, let us know how you're let us know how you're Do you have maps 15? know how you're Do you have maps 15? know how you're Do you have maps 15? >> What do you guys think about muscle 15 >> What do you guys think about muscle 15 >> What do you guys think about muscle 15 with the pelvic floor emphasis? with the pelvic floor emphasis? with the pelvic floor emphasis? >> Oh, no. Even better. Let's go. Maps 15. >> Oh, no. Even better. Let's go. Maps 15. >> Oh, no. Even better. Let's go. Maps 15. Muscle mommy. Thanks, Justin. That's the Muscle mommy. Thanks, Justin. That's the Muscle mommy. Thanks, Justin. That's the best one for you. best one for you. best one for you. >> Oh, thank you guys so much. Thanks for >> Oh, thank you guys so much. Thanks for >> Oh, thank you guys so much. Thanks for taking my call. taking my call. taking my call. >> You got it. You're going to do great. >> You got it. You're going to do great. >> You got it. You're going to do great. >> Thank you. Thank you. Bye. >> Thank you. Thank you. Bye. >> Thank you. Thank you. Bye. >> Yeah, good call, Justin. I forgot about >> Yeah, good call, Justin. I forgot about >> Yeah, good call, Justin. I forgot about that. that. that. >> Yeah, I know. I just thought of that. >> Yeah, I know. I just thought of that. >> Yeah, I know. I just thought of that. Forgot that I forgot that I fought for Forgot that I forgot that I fought for Forgot that I forgot that I fought for that pelvic floor exercise. You remember that pelvic floor exercise. You remember that pelvic floor exercise. You remember that? that? that? >> It is. Yeah. I mean, it's in the >> It is. Yeah. I mean, it's in the >> It is. Yeah. I mean, it's in the original, but then yeah, we we original, but then yeah, we we original, but then yeah, we we definitely put that in the 15 version. definitely put that in the 15 version. definitely put that in the 15 version. >> I I I I really think it's important for >> I I I I really think it's important for >> I I I I really think it's important for people to understand like uh you know people to understand like uh you know people to understand like uh you know fit and so so fit meaning you've got fit and so so fit meaning you've got fit and so so fit meaning you've got good fitness. Okay, so strong stamina good fitness. Okay, so strong stamina good fitness. Okay, so strong stamina like good fitness. You compare the like good fitness. You compare the like good fitness. You compare the typical woman at 20% versus 26% typical woman at 20% versus 26% typical woman at 20% versus 26% same fitness. So 26% body fat person or same fitness. So 26% body fat person or same fitness. So 26% body fat person or woman is more resilient probably more woman is more resilient probably more woman is more resilient probably more likely to have a better hormone profile likely to have a better hormone profile likely to have a better hormone profile >> better energy >> better energy >> better energy >> better energy uh more more fertile uh >> better energy uh more more fertile uh >> better energy uh more more fertile uh more you know more resilient postpartum more you know more resilient postpartum more you know more resilient postpartum post injury post illness post certain post injury post illness post certain post injury post illness post certain you know yeah you know yeah you know yeah >> so it's just this is just this is just >> so it's just this is just this is just >> so it's just this is just this is just for real especially when it comes for real especially when it comes for real especially when it comes >> versus health >> versus health >> versus health >> especially when it comes to uh fertility >> especially when it comes to uh fertility >> especially when it comes to uh fertility um and and we get hung up on like what um and and we get hung up on like what um and and we get hung up on like what this like fitness look that we see on this like fitness look that we see on this like fitness look that we see on social media and think that's what social media and think that's what social media and think that's what ultimate health looks like. But in many ultimate health looks like. But in many ultimate health looks like. But in many cases it doesn't. Many cases it's a we cases it doesn't. Many cases it's a we cases it doesn't. Many cases it's a we know this for men. Now men's fertility know this for men. Now men's fertility know this for men. Now men's fertility is is not nearly as uh fragile. But you is is not nearly as uh fragile. But you is is not nearly as uh fragile. But you can look at athletic performance and men can look at athletic performance and men can look at athletic performance and men typically perform better athletically at typically perform better athletically at typically perform better athletically at 15 or 16% than they do at 10%. 15 or 16% than they do at 10%. 15 or 16% than they do at 10%. >> You know I I'm going to keep beating the >> You know I I'm going to keep beating the >> You know I I'm going to keep beating the Dr. Gabriel Lions uh drum with the you Dr. Gabriel Lions uh drum with the you Dr. Gabriel Lions uh drum with the you know our problem is we're under muscled. know our problem is we're under muscled. know our problem is we're under muscled. >> Yeah. And I and I even like this uh I >> Yeah. And I and I even like this uh I >> Yeah. And I and I even like this uh I feel so strongly about this right now feel so strongly about this right now feel so strongly about this right now because of what I've personally just because of what I've personally just because of what I've personally just experienced too is like it's wild how uh experienced too is like it's wild how uh experienced too is like it's wild how uh how different our body can look with 10 how different our body can look with 10 how different our body can look with 10 or 15 lbs more muscle for same body fat. or 15 lbs more muscle for same body fat. or 15 lbs more muscle for same body fat. >> Yeah. Same body fat. And so uh and and I >> Yeah. Same body fat. And so uh and and I >> Yeah. Same body fat. And so uh and and I think this is even more true for women think this is even more true for women think this is even more true for women because women have been marketed to for because women have been marketed to for because women have been marketed to for so long. This kind of skinny small like so long. This kind of skinny small like so long. This kind of skinny small like and if if I if she I bet you if I put and if if I if she I bet you if I put and if if I if she I bet you if I put kept her body fat percentage so we go up kept her body fat percentage so we go up kept her body fat percentage so we go up fat. So I put on 10 lbs of muscle and fat. So I put on 10 lbs of muscle and fat. So I put on 10 lbs of muscle and probably some body and some body fat on probably some body and some body fat on probably some body and some body fat on her even more. So more fat on her her even more. So more fat on her her even more. So more fat on her >> but I put 10 pounds of that more. So >> but I put 10 pounds of that more. So >> but I put 10 pounds of that more. So more muscle. I bet she would like the more muscle. I bet she would like the more muscle. I bet she would like the way she looks. And and I think that more way she looks. And and I think that more way she looks. And and I think that more people need to understand that that even people need to understand that that even people need to understand that that even these the body fat percentage is better these the body fat percentage is better these the body fat percentage is better than the scale, than the scale, than the scale, >> but even it can be deceiving on this >> but even it can be deceiving on this >> but even it can be deceiving on this this number that we get obsessed with this number that we get obsessed with this number that we get obsessed with that we think, oh, this is the best my that we think, oh, this is the best my that we think, oh, this is the best my body ever looked like was at this body ever looked like was at this body ever looked like was at this percent. And by the way, like uh if you percent. And by the way, like uh if you percent. And by the way, like uh if you ask men what looks best on women and ask men what looks best on women and ask men what looks best on women and vice versa, healthy men and women, I vice versa, healthy men and women, I vice versa, healthy men and women, I should say, uh they tend to like a should say, uh they tend to like a should say, uh they tend to like a higher body fat percentage because we higher body fat percentage because we higher body fat percentage because we are geared to look at things like are geared to look at things like are geared to look at things like fertility and health. fertility and health. fertility and health. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And so even women would say, a guy >> And so even women would say, a guy >> And so even women would say, a guy that's got muscle around 15% looks that's got muscle around 15% looks that's got muscle around 15% looks better than 9% in real life. And men, better than 9% in real life. And men, better than 9% in real life. And men, listen, men for the same thing. A woman listen, men for the same thing. A woman listen, men for the same thing. A woman with muscle and shape and strength at with muscle and shape and strength at with muscle and shape and strength at 26%, she looks damn good. 20%. Most guys 26%, she looks damn good. 20%. Most guys 26%, she looks damn good. 20%. Most guys will probably go for the 26%. So, and will probably go for the 26%. So, and will probably go for the 26%. So, and this is just again, this is not saying this is just again, this is not saying this is just again, this is not saying that you do it because the other person that you do it because the other person that you do it because the other person likes it more, but rather this points to likes it more, but rather this points to likes it more, but rather this points to health more than it does anything. health more than it does anything. health more than it does anything. >> Our next caller is Taran from >> Our next caller is Taran from >> Our next caller is Taran from Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. >> Hi, Taran. How you doing, Taran? How's >> Hi, Taran. How you doing, Taran? How's >> Hi, Taran. How you doing, Taran? How's it going? it going? it going? >> How can we help you? >> How can we help you? >> How can we help you? >> So, over the past 6 years, I have been >> So, over the past 6 years, I have been >> So, over the past 6 years, I have been through a lot medically. I had a radical through a lot medically. I had a radical through a lot medically. I had a radical hyctomy in 2019 um for cervical hyctomy in 2019 um for cervical hyctomy in 2019 um for cervical precancer. found out that I was BA precancer. found out that I was BA precancer. found out that I was BA positive in 2024. And then in 2025, positive in 2024. And then in 2025, positive in 2024. And then in 2025, I had a um full ovary removal, thrusting I had a um full ovary removal, thrusting I had a um full ovary removal, thrusting me into surgical menopause at age 39, a me into surgical menopause at age 39, a me into surgical menopause at age 39, a double mistctomy, and a reconstruction double mistctomy, and a reconstruction double mistctomy, and a reconstruction all in a 10-month time period. So, I've all in a 10-month time period. So, I've all in a 10-month time period. So, I've been I've finally been cleared to start been I've finally been cleared to start been I've finally been cleared to start being active again, but you know, the being active again, but you know, the being active again, but you know, the mix of surgical menopause and a year of mix of surgical menopause and a year of mix of surgical menopause and a year of decreased movement has really kind of decreased movement has really kind of decreased movement has really kind of thrown me into a loop. So, hormonal thrown me into a loop. So, hormonal thrown me into a loop. So, hormonal issues, dizziness, weight gain, um, and issues, dizziness, weight gain, um, and issues, dizziness, weight gain, um, and really just being disconnected from who really just being disconnected from who really just being disconnected from who I was before. So, my care team was I was before. So, my care team was I was before. So, my care team was great, but, you know, they're all very great, but, you know, they're all very great, but, you know, they're all very siloed in their specialties. So, I've siloed in their specialties. So, I've siloed in their specialties. So, I've just been thrown around from doctor to just been thrown around from doctor to just been thrown around from doctor to doctor, um, who other than handing me an doctor, um, who other than handing me an doctor, um, who other than handing me an estrogen patch and telling me to get estrogen patch and telling me to get estrogen patch and telling me to get back to normal, haven't really helped me back to normal, haven't really helped me back to normal, haven't really helped me on a path to kind of this new phase of on a path to kind of this new phase of on a path to kind of this new phase of my life. Um, so my question is really my life. Um, so my question is really my life. Um, so my question is really for any woman in my position, you know, for any woman in my position, you know, for any woman in my position, you know, thrust into surgical menopause in their thrust into surgical menopause in their thrust into surgical menopause in their late 30s, coming out of major surgeries. late 30s, coming out of major surgeries. late 30s, coming out of major surgeries. I'm a busy mom. I own a business. I'm on I'm a busy mom. I own a business. I'm on I'm a busy mom. I own a business. I'm on the road a lot. You know, what should I the road a lot. You know, what should I the road a lot. You know, what should I really prioritize to rebuild my really prioritize to rebuild my really prioritize to rebuild my strength, get my health back in order, strength, get my health back in order, strength, get my health back in order, get my hor hormones on track, and then get my hor hormones on track, and then get my hor hormones on track, and then also, how do I know who to trust in this also, how do I know who to trust in this also, how do I know who to trust in this space when it really just feels super space when it really just feels super space when it really just feels super noisy sometimes? noisy sometimes? noisy sometimes? >> Yeah. Well, first off, I'm sorry you've >> Yeah. Well, first off, I'm sorry you've >> Yeah. Well, first off, I'm sorry you've gone through all that and but I'm really gone through all that and but I'm really gone through all that and but I'm really really uh grateful that you had the really uh grateful that you had the really uh grateful that you had the courage to come on here courage to come on here courage to come on here >> uh share your story because there are >> uh share your story because there are >> uh share your story because there are women listening women listening women listening >> also have a very good attitude. >> also have a very good attitude. >> also have a very good attitude. >> Yeah. Who um probably don't have a lot >> Yeah. Who um probably don't have a lot >> Yeah. Who um probably don't have a lot of people that they can listen to. Um uh of people that they can listen to. Um uh of people that they can listen to. Um uh and so they're probably like, "Hey, tell and so they're probably like, "Hey, tell and so they're probably like, "Hey, tell me what what we can do here." Um you're me what what we can do here." Um you're me what what we can do here." Um you're on hormone therapy now. Uh you've been on hormone therapy now. Uh you've been on hormone therapy now. Uh you've been cleared for that. So is that is that cleared for that. So is that is that cleared for that. So is that is that going on? going on? going on? >> Yes. Yes. So I am on um an estrogen >> Yes. Yes. So I am on um an estrogen >> Yes. Yes. So I am on um an estrogen patch. Um, but that's it. patch. Um, but that's it. patch. Um, but that's it. >> Okay. Okay. So, no progesterone, uh, no >> Okay. Okay. So, no progesterone, uh, no >> Okay. Okay. So, no progesterone, uh, no other hormones. Okay. other hormones. Okay. other hormones. Okay. >> No, because I don't have a uterus >> No, because I don't have a uterus >> No, because I don't have a uterus anymore. anymore. anymore. >> Got it. Okay. So, um, so here's the >> Got it. Okay. So, um, so here's the >> Got it. Okay. So, um, so here's the deal. And on on top of this, uh, which deal. And on on top of this, uh, which deal. And on on top of this, uh, which is lots of stress and trauma on the is lots of stress and trauma on the is lots of stress and trauma on the body, um, you also said you've got kids, body, um, you also said you've got kids, body, um, you also said you've got kids, business, so there's a lot of things business, so there's a lot of things business, so there's a lot of things going on here. And so, what we want to going on here. And so, what we want to going on here. And so, what we want to do with exercise is we want to be very do with exercise is we want to be very do with exercise is we want to be very gentle. uh the focus should be on gentle. uh the focus should be on gentle. uh the focus should be on strengthening because muscle is very strengthening because muscle is very strengthening because muscle is very protective. Uh it also requires little protective. Uh it also requires little protective. Uh it also requires little stimulus to uh kind of elicit that stimulus to uh kind of elicit that stimulus to uh kind of elicit that change. So building strength takes a lot change. So building strength takes a lot change. So building strength takes a lot less damage and stress than if you were less damage and stress than if you were less damage and stress than if you were trying to like become a marathon runner. trying to like become a marathon runner. trying to like become a marathon runner. So it's just going to be more So it's just going to be more So it's just going to be more appropriate. MAPS 15 would be the appropriate. MAPS 15 would be the appropriate. MAPS 15 would be the perfect. So we have a a series of maps perfect. So we have a a series of maps perfect. So we have a a series of maps 15 programs. There's mass 15 the 15 programs. There's mass 15 the 15 programs. There's mass 15 the original mass 15 muscle mommy symmetry original mass 15 muscle mommy symmetry original mass 15 muscle mommy symmetry perform like they're all that protocol perform like they're all that protocol perform like they're all that protocol for you would be perfect. On top of that for you would be perfect. On top of that for you would be perfect. On top of that I would just look at steps to stay I would just look at steps to stay I would just look at steps to stay active. So if you're not already active. So if you're not already active. So if you're not already tracking steps uh you know 8 to 10,000 tracking steps uh you know 8 to 10,000 tracking steps uh you know 8 to 10,000 steps a day is a decent amount of steps a day is a decent amount of steps a day is a decent amount of activity that'll that'll give you the activity that'll that'll give you the activity that'll that'll give you the most benefit or a majority of the most benefit or a majority of the most benefit or a majority of the benefit you'll get from being active. benefit you'll get from being active. benefit you'll get from being active. And that's it. That's really it. And so And that's it. That's really it. And so And that's it. That's really it. And so you with that protocol, what you should you with that protocol, what you should you with that protocol, what you should experience is strength gains, experience is strength gains, experience is strength gains, improvements in mobility, and just improvements in mobility, and just improvements in mobility, and just general improvements in overall fitness. general improvements in overall fitness. general improvements in overall fitness. The mistake you can make, Taran, is if The mistake you can make, Taran, is if The mistake you can make, Taran, is if you push you push you push >> overdo it. >> overdo it. >> overdo it. >> Yeah. And and you're going to be more >> Yeah. And and you're going to be more >> Yeah. And and you're going to be more sensitive to that that than than most sensitive to that that than than most sensitive to that that than than most people. But I will say this, people. But I will say this, people. But I will say this, >> uh women with children who also have a >> uh women with children who also have a >> uh women with children who also have a business are they're far more sensitive business are they're far more sensitive business are they're far more sensitive to the stresses of exercise than they to the stresses of exercise than they to the stresses of exercise than they realize anyway. Most women with kids, realize anyway. Most women with kids, realize anyway. Most women with kids, uh, job, um, they're more sensitive to uh, job, um, they're more sensitive to uh, job, um, they're more sensitive to the stress of exercise than they realize the stress of exercise than they realize the stress of exercise than they realize anyway. So, my recommendation to them anyway. So, my recommendation to them anyway. So, my recommendation to them typically sounds very similar to what typically sounds very similar to what typically sounds very similar to what I'm telling you, just you're going to be I'm telling you, just you're going to be I'm telling you, just you're going to be even more sensitive to over applying even more sensitive to over applying even more sensitive to over applying stress. So, when you go into the gym, stress. So, when you go into the gym, stress. So, when you go into the gym, practice the exercises. When you feel practice the exercises. When you feel practice the exercises. When you feel like you're stronger, add a little bit. like you're stronger, add a little bit. like you're stronger, add a little bit. And, uh, that that approach is going to And, uh, that that approach is going to And, uh, that that approach is going to yield you great results long term. if yield you great results long term. if yield you great results long term. if you if you'd be open to it, I' i'd you if you'd be open to it, I' i'd you if you'd be open to it, I' i'd actually love for you to work with one actually love for you to work with one actually love for you to work with one of our coaches, too. Uh I don't know if of our coaches, too. Uh I don't know if of our coaches, too. Uh I don't know if that's something that's feasible for you that's something that's feasible for you that's something that's feasible for you or that you could consider or not, but or that you could consider or not, but or that you could consider or not, but just just cuz you have a unique just just cuz you have a unique just just cuz you have a unique situation and as you're going through, situation and as you're going through, situation and as you're going through, I'd love for you to have somebody who I'd love for you to have somebody who I'd love for you to have somebody who you could reach out to that you could you could reach out to that you could you could reach out to that you could trust and just be like, "Hey, this is trust and just be like, "Hey, this is trust and just be like, "Hey, this is what I'm feeling. This is what I what I'm feeling. This is what I what I'm feeling. This is what I notice." and they could make notice." and they could make notice." and they could make modifications modifications modifications both in the gym and nutritionally for both in the gym and nutritionally for both in the gym and nutritionally for you as you go through that process and you as you go through that process and you as you go through that process and or refer you to someone who would be we or refer you to someone who would be we or refer you to someone who would be we have just a great network as far as have just a great network as far as have just a great network as far as other doctors, professionals, things other doctors, professionals, things other doctors, professionals, things like that, too. So, I don't know if like that, too. So, I don't know if like that, too. So, I don't know if that's something that you're open to. that's something that you're open to. that's something that you're open to. Uh, but I think you'd be a great person Uh, but I think you'd be a great person Uh, but I think you'd be a great person to be able to help through something to be able to help through something to be able to help through something like this. like this. like this. >> Yeah, that would be awesome because I it >> Yeah, that would be awesome because I it >> Yeah, that would be awesome because I it can really feel like you're on an island can really feel like you're on an island can really feel like you're on an island and there's not a whole lot out here and there's not a whole lot out here and there's not a whole lot out here for, you know, I think women who are in for, you know, I think women who are in for, you know, I think women who are in this at my age, too. this at my age, too. this at my age, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean and just >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean and just >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean and just consider this when it comes to what kind consider this when it comes to what kind consider this when it comes to what kind of exercise and nutrition advice you of exercise and nutrition advice you of exercise and nutrition advice you should listen to. should listen to. should listen to. >> Um obvious of course of course you have >> Um obvious of course of course you have >> Um obvious of course of course you have unique situations. So if your doctors unique situations. So if your doctors unique situations. So if your doctors say hey you know avoid this or that then say hey you know avoid this or that then say hey you know avoid this or that then you want to listen to them. But beside you want to listen to them. But beside you want to listen to them. But beside that uh the approach is going to be uh that uh the approach is going to be uh that uh the approach is going to be uh balancing the the stress from the balancing the the stress from the balancing the the stress from the stimulus and the adaptation. So like am stimulus and the adaptation. So like am stimulus and the adaptation. So like am I progressing I progressing I progressing uh performance-wise? This is a really uh performance-wise? This is a really uh performance-wise? This is a really good measure for you. Did I get good measure for you. Did I get good measure for you. Did I get stronger? Do I feel like I'm stronger? stronger? Do I feel like I'm stronger? stronger? Do I feel like I'm stronger? Do I feel more stable? If the answer is Do I feel more stable? If the answer is Do I feel more stable? If the answer is yes, you're moving in the right yes, you're moving in the right yes, you're moving in the right direction. Don't add more because the direction. Don't add more because the direction. Don't add more because the tendency is going to be like, "Hey, I'm tendency is going to be like, "Hey, I'm tendency is going to be like, "Hey, I'm getting stronger. I feel good. Like, let getting stronger. I feel good. Like, let getting stronger. I feel good. Like, let me just throw more at my body." Um me just throw more at my body." Um me just throw more at my body." Um because there's a there's a line that because there's a there's a line that because there's a there's a line that when you cross over, your body's going when you cross over, your body's going when you cross over, your body's going to feel like it's shutting down just to feel like it's shutting down just to feel like it's shutting down just because of the the hormones. because of the the hormones. because of the the hormones. >> Yeah. It may interrupt sleep. It may >> Yeah. It may interrupt sleep. It may >> Yeah. It may interrupt sleep. It may kind of impede on other metrics. So, kind of impede on other metrics. So, kind of impede on other metrics. So, yeah, to to pay attention mainly if it's yeah, to to pay attention mainly if it's yeah, to to pay attention mainly if it's you feel stronger, you feel like you're you feel stronger, you feel like you're you feel stronger, you feel like you're energizing uh from your workouts. It's energizing uh from your workouts. It's energizing uh from your workouts. It's more medicine for you. That's that's more medicine for you. That's that's more medicine for you. That's that's good. This is why I think the having a good. This is why I think the having a good. This is why I think the having a coach that you can just kind of bounce coach that you can just kind of bounce coach that you can just kind of bounce this off of as you go through this this off of as you go through this this off of as you go through this process because it's going to be a kind process because it's going to be a kind process because it's going to be a kind of a week toeek type of deal on how of a week toeek type of deal on how of a week toeek type of deal on how you're feeling. Some weeks we may feel you're feeling. Some weeks we may feel you're feeling. Some weeks we may feel great and the perfect amount of volume great and the perfect amount of volume great and the perfect amount of volume and training. Other weeks we may need to and training. Other weeks we may need to and training. Other weeks we may need to adjust certain things based off of your adjust certain things based off of your adjust certain things based off of your lifestyle, sleep, whatever else you got lifestyle, sleep, whatever else you got lifestyle, sleep, whatever else you got going on because it sounds like you're going on because it sounds like you're going on because it sounds like you're busy. So, um, yeah, I think you would do busy. So, um, yeah, I think you would do busy. So, um, yeah, I think you would do great with with one of the coaches. Like great with with one of the coaches. Like great with with one of the coaches. Like this is obviously a unique uh situation this is obviously a unique uh situation this is obviously a unique uh situation and I think I'd want I'd want to be and I think I'd want I'd want to be and I think I'd want I'd want to be talking to you as we go through this talking to you as we go through this talking to you as we go through this process. communication. process. communication. process. communication. >> This is not like a, oh, just go do these >> This is not like a, oh, just go do these >> This is not like a, oh, just go do these things, see you later, hope it works things, see you later, hope it works things, see you later, hope it works out, you know, and I also don't want you out, you know, and I also don't want you out, you know, and I also don't want you to feel that way either. Like, I think to feel that way either. Like, I think to feel that way either. Like, I think Sal's giving perfect advice on where to Sal's giving perfect advice on where to Sal's giving perfect advice on where to go, but go, but go, but >> but it's not it's not going to be >> but it's not it's not going to be >> but it's not it's not going to be individualized as we go along. individualized as we go along. individualized as we go along. >> Yeah. Yeah. I recognize there probably >> Yeah. Yeah. I recognize there probably >> Yeah. Yeah. I recognize there probably be some some pivots along the way, too. be some some pivots along the way, too. be some some pivots along the way, too. >> Yeah, certainly. And I'm one who will go >> Yeah, certainly. And I'm one who will go >> Yeah, certainly. And I'm one who will go one to 100 way too quickly, so that's one to 100 way too quickly, so that's one to 100 way too quickly, so that's for sure. for sure. for sure. >> But yeah, which is a good reason to have >> But yeah, which is a good reason to have >> But yeah, which is a good reason to have the coach, too, is just the coach, too, is just the coach, too, is just >> Well, good. The coach will be the brakes >> Well, good. The coach will be the brakes >> Well, good. The coach will be the brakes for you. for you. for you. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I we'll we'll we'll do >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I we'll we'll we'll do >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I we'll we'll we'll do that if you're if you have time. I'll that if you're if you have time. I'll that if you're if you have time. I'll have someone call you and and reach out have someone call you and and reach out have someone call you and and reach out to you and and tell you exactly what to you and and tell you exactly what to you and and tell you exactly what that would look like and then hopefully that would look like and then hopefully that would look like and then hopefully we see you a part of the family. we see you a part of the family. we see you a part of the family. >> And again, thank you for coming on and >> And again, thank you for coming on and >> And again, thank you for coming on and asking this question. I know there's asking this question. I know there's asking this question. I know there's people listening right now that just people listening right now that just people listening right now that just would love to hear advice and so this would love to hear advice and so this would love to hear advice and so this was very helpful. was very helpful. was very helpful. >> I can I can tell you're going to be >> I can I can tell you're going to be >> I can I can tell you're going to be successful. You have a great attitude successful. You have a great attitude successful. You have a great attitude and everything everything that you've and everything everything that you've and everything everything that you've gone through and been through. You seem gone through and been through. You seem gone through and been through. You seem very positive and you want to do the very positive and you want to do the very positive and you want to do the right thing. So, you're going to be right thing. So, you're going to be right thing. So, you're going to be great. It's going to be great helping great. It's going to be great helping great. It's going to be great helping you. you. you. >> Awesome. Thank you so much, guys. You >> Awesome. Thank you so much, guys. You >> Awesome. Thank you so much, guys. You got it. Thank you. got it. Thank you. got it. Thank you. >> Are you guys familiar with the the the >> Are you guys familiar with the the the >> Are you guys familiar with the the the the bricky gene? Sorry. BRC. the bricky gene? Sorry. BRC. the bricky gene? Sorry. BRC. >> No, I was going to ask her to explain >> No, I was going to ask her to explain >> No, I was going to ask her to explain it. it. it. >> Depending on the variation, which she >> Depending on the variation, which she >> Depending on the variation, which she probably had the one that's the the the probably had the one that's the the the probably had the one that's the the the one that will increase your osmosis. If one that will increase your osmosis. If one that will increase your osmosis. If you have it, your odds of getting a, you you have it, your odds of getting a, you you have it, your odds of getting a, you know, really aggressive breast cancer in know, really aggressive breast cancer in know, really aggressive breast cancer in your life is like 70 something%. your life is like 70 something%. your life is like 70 something%. >> And so when they test you for this gene, >> And so when they test you for this gene, >> And so when they test you for this gene, they typically recommend they typically recommend they typically recommend >> removing >> removing >> removing >> Yeah. And and for the and for the >> Yeah. And and for the and for the >> Yeah. And and for the and for the reproductive system. So cancers like reproductive system. So cancers like reproductive system. So cancers like ovarian cancer, stuff like that. So ovarian cancer, stuff like that. So ovarian cancer, stuff like that. So they'll typically be like, they'll typically be like, they'll typically be like, >> "Yeah, >> "Yeah, >> "Yeah, >> okay, you've got the the this gene this >> okay, you've got the the this gene this >> okay, you've got the the this gene this and so we're going to recommend double and so we're going to recommend double and so we're going to recommend double masectomy." Basically preventative masectomy." Basically preventative masectomy." Basically preventative surgeries and we're going to remove your surgeries and we're going to remove your surgeries and we're going to remove your your entire your entire your entire >> Wow. So all before you even actually get >> Wow. So all before you even actually get >> Wow. So all before you even actually get it. it. it. >> So she already had it. She already had >> So she already had it. She already had >> So she already had it. She already had it. Then they tested her and they're it. Then they tested her and they're it. Then they tested her and they're like, "Oh, it's you got this gene." So like, "Oh, it's you got this gene." So like, "Oh, it's you got this gene." So the odds that you're going to get it the odds that you're going to get it the odds that you're going to get it again, especially since you had it the again, especially since you had it the again, especially since you had it the first time are really high. first time are really high. first time are really high. >> So they go in and they just basically >> So they go in and they just basically >> So they go in and they just basically preventative, preventative, preventative, you know, drastic surgery. you know, drastic surgery. you know, drastic surgery. >> One, she had a great attitude. It It's >> One, she had a great attitude. It It's >> One, she had a great attitude. It It's uh remarkable. Uh, awesome that she was uh remarkable. Uh, awesome that she was uh remarkable. Uh, awesome that she was able to have kids out first, you know, able to have kids out first, you know, able to have kids out first, you know, that she's had kids. She she's had had that she's had kids. She she's had had that she's had kids. She she's had had kids. I mean, my sister had to have a kids. I mean, my sister had to have a kids. I mean, my sister had to have a her hysterctomy at a very young age. Um, her hysterctomy at a very young age. Um, her hysterctomy at a very young age. Um, which is is tough to do that. She did which is is tough to do that. She did which is is tough to do that. She did even younger. Cassie had it even younger even younger. Cassie had it even younger even younger. Cassie had it even younger than that. So, it's tough. than that. So, it's tough. than that. So, it's tough. >> But I This is something where it's like >> But I This is something where it's like >> But I This is something where it's like we could sit here and give like all the we could sit here and give like all the we could sit here and give like all the the the the what we think is the best the the the what we think is the best the the the what we think is the best advice. advice. advice. >> No, you're right. I mean, she's, you >> No, you're right. I mean, she's, you >> No, you're right. I mean, she's, you know, through this process, it would be know, through this process, it would be know, through this process, it would be great to have someone there great to have someone there great to have someone there >> because especially busy lifestyle, all >> because especially busy lifestyle, all >> because especially busy lifestyle, all these things that she's going through, these things that she's going through, these things that she's going through, very likely, even with the the best very likely, even with the the best very likely, even with the the best prescription we can give right now in prescription we can give right now in prescription we can give right now in this 10 minutes, this 10 minutes, this 10 minutes, >> uh, she's going to have a week where >> uh, she's going to have a week where >> uh, she's going to have a week where she's like, "Hey, she's like, "Hey, she's like, "Hey, >> monitoring how she feels. >> monitoring how she feels. >> monitoring how she feels. >> Yeah, I feel this way or this is what's >> Yeah, I feel this way or this is what's >> Yeah, I feel this way or this is what's going on." Or even like, and I'm glad going on." Or even like, and I'm glad going on." Or even like, and I'm glad she said it like, "I feel great. Can I she said it like, "I feel great. Can I she said it like, "I feel great. Can I do that? I'm going to do this or should do that? I'm going to do this or should do that? I'm going to do this or should I do that?" Like, and having a coach I do that?" Like, and having a coach I do that?" Like, and having a coach like, "No, no, no, no. We'll just like, "No, no, no, no. We'll just like, "No, no, no, no. We'll just stick." Yeah. So, stick." Yeah. So, stick." Yeah. So, >> but we'll help her out. >> but we'll help her out. >> but we'll help her out. >> Our next caller is Vanessa from Georgia. >> Our next caller is Vanessa from Georgia. >> Our next caller is Vanessa from Georgia. Hi, Vanessa. Hi, Vanessa. Hi, Vanessa. >> How you doing, Vanessa? >> How you doing, Vanessa? >> How you doing, Vanessa? >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hey y'all. How are you? >> Hey y'all. How are you? >> Hey y'all. How are you? >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. What's happening? >> Good. What's happening? >> Good. What's happening? >> Good. Well, I have a question about the >> Good. Well, I have a question about the >> Good. Well, I have a question about the belly and like how to unbloat it and all belly and like how to unbloat it and all belly and like how to unbloat it and all that kind of stuff. So, I thought y'all that kind of stuff. So, I thought y'all that kind of stuff. So, I thought y'all would be the first uh people I'd want to would be the first uh people I'd want to would be the first uh people I'd want to ask. ask. ask. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Yeah, let's go. Let's hear it. >> Yeah, let's go. Let's hear it. >> Yeah, let's go. Let's hear it. >> Okay. So, a little backstory. I'll go >> Okay. So, a little backstory. I'll go >> Okay. So, a little backstory. I'll go ahead and just read the email that I ahead and just read the email that I ahead and just read the email that I sent. Uh I'm a tall woman, 5'11, and I sent. Uh I'm a tall woman, 5'11, and I sent. Uh I'm a tall woman, 5'11, and I put on muscle pretty easily, even at 47. put on muscle pretty easily, even at 47. put on muscle pretty easily, even at 47. But I also stay chunky looking But I also stay chunky looking But I also stay chunky looking especially especially especially uh tucky looking especially in my belly. uh tucky looking especially in my belly. uh tucky looking especially in my belly. It's always puffy no matter if I'm 137 It's always puffy no matter if I'm 137 It's always puffy no matter if I'm 137 lbs which is me in Marine Corps boot lbs which is me in Marine Corps boot lbs which is me in Marine Corps boot camp when I was 23 or I shot up to 200 camp when I was 23 or I shot up to 200 camp when I was 23 or I shot up to 200 lb at one point when I was more lb at one point when I was more lb at one point when I was more sedentary. sedentary. sedentary. Currently, I'm about 166, 167, and I'm Currently, I'm about 166, 167, and I'm Currently, I'm about 166, 167, and I'm lifting four to 5 days a week. By 2028, lifting four to 5 days a week. By 2028, lifting four to 5 days a week. By 2028, I'd like to compete in my first natural I'd like to compete in my first natural I'd like to compete in my first natural bodybuilding show in the bikini bodybuilding show in the bikini bodybuilding show in the bikini division. And I'm confident about division. And I'm confident about division. And I'm confident about everything else, everything else, everything else, but the belly just I'm really concerned but the belly just I'm really concerned but the belly just I'm really concerned about that coming in lean enough. So, about that coming in lean enough. So, about that coming in lean enough. So, um, I eat low to super low carb and I um, I eat low to super low carb and I um, I eat low to super low carb and I definitely get my 150 g of protein. I definitely get my 150 g of protein. I definitely get my 150 g of protein. I sleep well. sleep well. sleep well. So, what would y'all recommend for So, what would y'all recommend for So, what would y'all recommend for finally leaning out my mid and low Ellie finally leaning out my mid and low Ellie finally leaning out my mid and low Ellie area? area? area? >> I'm I'm curious. First, have you have >> I'm I'm curious. First, have you have >> I'm I'm curious. First, have you have you body fat tested? Because I'm I'm you body fat tested? Because I'm I'm you body fat tested? Because I'm I'm willing to bet that you're at a really willing to bet that you're at a really willing to bet that you're at a really good weight where if you build muscle good weight where if you build muscle good weight where if you build muscle pretty well, like you say, you're 5'11. pretty well, like you say, you're 5'11. pretty well, like you say, you're 5'11. Uh, you're built similar to what my ex Uh, you're built similar to what my ex Uh, you're built similar to what my ex was built like and that's about where was built like and that's about where was built like and that's about where she carried her weight. 165 to 175 she carried her weight. 165 to 175 she carried her weight. 165 to 175 pretty much is where So, where's your pretty much is where So, where's your pretty much is where So, where's your body fat percentage right now? body fat percentage right now? body fat percentage right now? >> The only body fat uh measurement that >> The only body fat uh measurement that >> The only body fat uh measurement that I've had was one of those I I don't know I've had was one of those I I don't know I've had was one of those I I don't know if I can really trust them. You hold it if I can really trust them. You hold it if I can really trust them. You hold it with your hands and you stand on the with your hands and you stand on the with your hands and you stand on the scale scale scale >> and supposedly it said I was at 24%. >> and supposedly it said I was at 24%. >> and supposedly it said I was at 24%. >> Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's why I fig I >> Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's why I fig I >> Okay. Okay. Yeah, that's why I fig I figured you'd be in a good a good good figured you'd be in a good a good good figured you'd be in a good a good good range. I had a feeling you weren't. range. I had a feeling you weren't. range. I had a feeling you weren't. >> And it specifically the stomach area. It >> And it specifically the stomach area. It >> And it specifically the stomach area. It could be bloat from something we're could be bloat from something we're could be bloat from something we're eating too. eating too. eating too. >> Is it is it bloat or is it belly fat? >> Is it is it bloat or is it belly fat? >> Is it is it bloat or is it belly fat? >> So that's why I've restricted my diet >> So that's why I've restricted my diet >> So that's why I've restricted my diet for the last couple years. Basically for the last couple years. Basically for the last couple years. Basically done like an elimination diet. I don't done like an elimination diet. I don't done like an elimination diet. I don't eat a whole lot of new foods. I'm eat a whole lot of new foods. I'm eat a whole lot of new foods. I'm staying away from any of the FODMAP. So staying away from any of the FODMAP. So staying away from any of the FODMAP. So >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> um you know, tomatoes and stuff like >> um you know, tomatoes and stuff like >> um you know, tomatoes and stuff like that. I do well with rice and potatoes, that. I do well with rice and potatoes, that. I do well with rice and potatoes, but even then, but even then, but even then, um I'm having trouble eating enough. So um I'm having trouble eating enough. So um I'm having trouble eating enough. So that's why I've mostly cut out the that's why I've mostly cut out the that's why I've mostly cut out the carbs. So I'm just focused on like carbs. So I'm just focused on like carbs. So I'm just focused on like really nutrient-dense foods like beef, really nutrient-dense foods like beef, really nutrient-dense foods like beef, lots of steak, lots of, you know, lots of steak, lots of, you know, lots of steak, lots of, you know, hamburger, things like that. So hamburger, things like that. So hamburger, things like that. So >> Well, so Vanessa, to be clear, it's not >> Well, so Vanessa, to be clear, it's not >> Well, so Vanessa, to be clear, it's not belly fat, it's bloat. Because you know belly fat, it's bloat. Because you know belly fat, it's bloat. Because you know the difference, right? Do you know the the difference, right? Do you know the the difference, right? Do you know the difference between the two? difference between the two? difference between the two? >> So maybe I maybe I don't. I mean I got >> So maybe I maybe I don't. I mean I got >> So maybe I maybe I don't. I mean I got jiggly. jiggly. jiggly. >> So belly fat you can grab and squeeze >> So belly fat you can grab and squeeze >> So belly fat you can grab and squeeze like this. Blow. It feels hard. It's like this. Blow. It feels hard. It's like this. Blow. It feels hard. It's kind of digestive. So my stomach's kind of digestive. So my stomach's kind of digestive. So my stomach's protruding. protruding. protruding. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So I would say that there's a little of >> So I would say that there's a little of >> So I would say that there's a little of both cuz I can still pinch. both cuz I can still pinch. both cuz I can still pinch. So there's two so there's two directions So there's two so there's two directions So there's two so there's two directions here because if if you're if you notice here because if if you're if you notice here because if if you're if you notice digestive issues like a lot of digestive digestive issues like a lot of digestive digestive issues like a lot of digestive issues with certain foods. Uh then the issues with certain foods. Uh then the issues with certain foods. Uh then the direction you want to go is with a direction you want to go is with a direction you want to go is with a functional medicine practitioner functional medicine practitioner functional medicine practitioner >> and identify what's really happening. Is >> and identify what's really happening. Is >> and identify what's really happening. Is it SIBO or SEO? Uh tested you can get it SIBO or SEO? Uh tested you can get it SIBO or SEO? Uh tested you can get tested for parasites. tested for parasites. tested for parasites. >> Heal your gut. Like that's all digestive >> Heal your gut. Like that's all digestive >> Heal your gut. Like that's all digestive stuff. stuff. stuff. >> Belly fat. There's two if it's belly >> Belly fat. There's two if it's belly >> Belly fat. There's two if it's belly fat. Uh there's two directions I fat. Uh there's two directions I fat. Uh there's two directions I typically look at with someone like you. typically look at with someone like you. typically look at with someone like you. One, you you know, you you're in the One, you you know, you you're in the One, you you know, you you're in the Marines boot camp, you competed, you Marines boot camp, you competed, you Marines boot camp, you competed, you want to compete again. The there's want to compete again. The there's want to compete again. The there's there's pretty high odds that you may be there's pretty high odds that you may be there's pretty high odds that you may be viewing yourself a bit distorted. And I viewing yourself a bit distorted. And I viewing yourself a bit distorted. And I don't see a picture of you, so I can't don't see a picture of you, so I can't don't see a picture of you, so I can't determine that. But based off of those determine that. But based off of those determine that. But based off of those right there, you're the odds that you right there, you're the odds that you right there, you're the odds that you see yourself in a distorted way or you see yourself in a distorted way or you see yourself in a distorted way or you pick yourself apart. pick yourself apart. pick yourself apart. >> I'm almost certain I'm almost certain of >> I'm almost certain I'm almost certain of >> I'm almost certain I'm almost certain of that. I I'm looking She's 47. She's that. I I'm looking She's 47. She's that. I I'm looking She's 47. She's 5'11. I know if she says she puts on 5'11. I know if she says she puts on 5'11. I know if she says she puts on muscle good, I'm I'm pretty pretty muscle good, I'm I'm pretty pretty muscle good, I'm I'm pretty pretty confident. I can envision what you confident. I can envision what you confident. I can envision what you probably look like. You probably look probably look like. You probably look probably look like. You probably look really good. Yeah, really good. Yeah, really good. Yeah, >> you probably look really good. Maybe not >> you probably look really good. Maybe not >> you probably look really good. Maybe not to yourself, but I'm I'm I'm pretty sure to yourself, but I'm I'm I'm pretty sure to yourself, but I'm I'm I'm pretty sure you look pretty good. 5'11, 47, and 167 you look pretty good. 5'11, 47, and 167 you look pretty good. 5'11, 47, and 167 and probably around 22 to 24% body fat and probably around 22 to 24% body fat and probably around 22 to 24% body fat is a good look, especially on somebody is a good look, especially on somebody is a good look, especially on somebody who who says they can build muscle. What who who says they can build muscle. What who who says they can build muscle. What are your lifts like? Tell me about like are your lifts like? Tell me about like are your lifts like? Tell me about like uh squatting, deadlifting, like what do uh squatting, deadlifting, like what do uh squatting, deadlifting, like what do you what are your numbers? you what are your numbers? you what are your numbers? >> What can you what can you >> What can you what can you >> What can you what can you >> I don't actually know what PRs are >> I don't actually know what PRs are >> I don't actually know what PRs are because I don't ego lift. Yeah, I did because I don't ego lift. Yeah, I did because I don't ego lift. Yeah, I did that that that >> before and it didn't work out so well. I >> before and it didn't work out so well. I >> before and it didn't work out so well. I ended up getting hurt. So yeah, to avoid ended up getting hurt. So yeah, to avoid ended up getting hurt. So yeah, to avoid all of that kind of stuff. all of that kind of stuff. all of that kind of stuff. >> Um but let's see. >> Um but let's see. >> Um but let's see. Just to give an idea, like I can Just to give an idea, like I can Just to give an idea, like I can deadlift like 190. deadlift like 190. deadlift like 190. >> Yeah, you're good. >> Yeah, you're good. >> Yeah, you're good. >> Yeah, that's what you work out with. >> Yeah, that's what you work out with. >> Yeah, that's what you work out with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. You're good. Yeah. You're strong. >> Yeah. You're good. Yeah. You're strong. >> Yeah. You're good. Yeah. You're strong. >> Now, here's the other side of this. >> Now, here's the other side of this. >> Now, here's the other side of this. Okay. Uh, were you always an athlete? Okay. Uh, were you always an athlete? Okay. Uh, were you always an athlete? Did you always find that you were good Did you always find that you were good Did you always find that you were good at sports? at sports? at sports? >> No, I rode horses. So, that's what I >> No, I rode horses. So, that's what I >> No, I rode horses. So, that's what I did. did. did. >> Well, that's a sport. So, so here's the >> Well, that's a sport. So, so here's the >> Well, that's a sport. So, so here's the thing, too. Some women thing, too. Some women thing, too. Some women have uh what's known as an athletic uh have uh what's known as an athletic uh have uh what's known as an athletic uh uh body type and body fat distribution. uh body type and body fat distribution. uh body type and body fat distribution. And so what this typically looks like is And so what this typically looks like is And so what this typically looks like is hips are a little bit more narrow and hips are a little bit more narrow and hips are a little bit more narrow and there's a little bit more storage in the there's a little bit more storage in the there's a little bit more storage in the belly than what you would see belly than what you would see belly than what you would see traditionally where it looks like a traditionally where it looks like a traditionally where it looks like a pair. And so sometimes you'll run into pair. And so sometimes you'll run into pair. And so sometimes you'll run into this with female athletes where once this with female athletes where once this with female athletes where once they go above 25% they go above 25% they go above 25% they'll have a little bit more belly fat they'll have a little bit more belly fat they'll have a little bit more belly fat than another woman who's at 25%. Which than another woman who's at 25%. Which than another woman who's at 25%. Which actually lends itself well to athletes. actually lends itself well to athletes. actually lends itself well to athletes. So a female athlete that does really So a female athlete that does really So a female athlete that does really well is going to have uh more narrow well is going to have uh more narrow well is going to have uh more narrow hips, going to make them faster, uh a hips, going to make them faster, uh a hips, going to make them faster, uh a little more belly fat. It's why men little more belly fat. It's why men little more belly fat. It's why men store body belly fat in the belly store body belly fat in the belly store body belly fat in the belly because energy reserves. because energy reserves. because energy reserves. >> Yeah. So, so there's that as well. Uh >> Yeah. So, so there's that as well. Uh >> Yeah. So, so there's that as well. Uh but I I would guess I would go in the but I I would guess I would go in the but I I would guess I would go in the direction of what Adam said. I think you direction of what Adam said. I think you direction of what Adam said. I think you might be kind of picking yourself apart. might be kind of picking yourself apart. might be kind of picking yourself apart. >> If you do have actual digestive issues >> If you do have actual digestive issues >> If you do have actual digestive issues though, you want to get to the root though, you want to get to the root though, you want to get to the root >> and and and going into a bikini >> and and and going into a bikini >> and and and going into a bikini composition competition would not be an composition competition would not be an composition competition would not be an ideal situation in that in that either. ideal situation in that in that either. ideal situation in that in that either. If if you find eating f, you know, the If if you find eating f, you know, the If if you find eating f, you know, the FODMAP foods cause digestive issues and FODMAP foods cause digestive issues and FODMAP foods cause digestive issues and bloat and you got to stay away from too bloat and you got to stay away from too bloat and you got to stay away from too many carbs because it hurts your many carbs because it hurts your many carbs because it hurts your stomach, stomach, stomach, >> that's a gut issue. >> that's a gut issue. >> that's a gut issue. >> That's a gut health issue. >> That's a gut health issue. >> That's a gut health issue. >> Have you found any foods that are like >> Have you found any foods that are like >> Have you found any foods that are like uh you know are inflammatory for you? uh you know are inflammatory for you? uh you know are inflammatory for you? >> So far it's been like tomato sauce and >> So far it's been like tomato sauce and >> So far it's been like tomato sauce and jalapenos. jalapenos. jalapenos. >> Okay, that's not too out of the out of >> Okay, that's not too out of the out of >> Okay, that's not too out of the out of the ordinary. I mean, those are, you the ordinary. I mean, those are, you the ordinary. I mean, those are, you know, you have your night shades. know, you have your night shades. know, you have your night shades. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But if you find digested, like what >> But if you find digested, like what >> But if you find digested, like what happens when you eat too many carbs? Do happens when you eat too many carbs? Do happens when you eat too many carbs? Do you just feel super distended and you just feel super distended and you just feel super distended and painful? painful? painful? >> Uh, it depends if they're really clean >> Uh, it depends if they're really clean >> Uh, it depends if they're really clean like potatoes and just plain old white like potatoes and just plain old white like potatoes and just plain old white rice. I don't have any problems. In rice. I don't have any problems. In rice. I don't have any problems. In fact, I blow through those fact, I blow through those fact, I blow through those >> very easily. Okay. >> very easily. Okay. >> very easily. Okay. >> It's the preservatives, I think, >> It's the preservatives, I think, >> It's the preservatives, I think, >> bread is what it was. >> bread is what it was. >> bread is what it was. >> Okay. Yeah, you're probably fine. >> Okay. Yeah, you're probably fine. >> Okay. Yeah, you're probably fine. >> You're probably fine. Um there's really >> You're probably fine. Um there's really >> You're probably fine. Um there's really no way to spot reduce. So getting leaner no way to spot reduce. So getting leaner no way to spot reduce. So getting leaner overall, unfortunately. overall, unfortunately. overall, unfortunately. >> Yeah. What makes it happen? Where where >> Yeah. What makes it happen? Where where >> Yeah. What makes it happen? Where where your calories at right where your your calories at right where your your calories at right where your calories at right now? Do you track? calories at right now? Do you track? calories at right now? Do you track? >> Uh I do. Yeah. Average is 1,600. >> Uh I do. Yeah. Average is 1,600. >> Uh I do. Yeah. Average is 1,600. >> Oh yeah. Too low. Too way too low. Way >> Oh yeah. Too low. Too way too low. Way >> Oh yeah. Too low. Too way too low. Way too low. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. We need too low. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. We need too low. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. We need reverse diet. reverse diet. reverse diet. >> Yeah. You got a lot of muscle on you. >> Yeah. You got a lot of muscle on you. >> Yeah. You got a lot of muscle on you. You're tall. You're lifting weights four You're tall. You're lifting weights four You're tall. You're lifting weights four to five days a week. You should be up to to five days a week. You should be up to to five days a week. You should be up to like 23 24. like 23 24. like 23 24. >> Okay. Yeah. So, if you if you came to me >> Okay. Yeah. So, if you if you came to me >> Okay. Yeah. So, if you if you came to me to to hire if you hired me to be your to to hire if you hired me to be your to to hire if you hired me to be your coach for competing, I wouldn't let you coach for competing, I wouldn't let you coach for competing, I wouldn't let you do compete bikini until we were in the do compete bikini until we were in the do compete bikini until we were in the high 2,000 calorie range maintaining high 2,000 calorie range maintaining high 2,000 calorie range maintaining your weight. So, you that would be your weight. So, you that would be your weight. So, you that would be before we before I would let you get before we before I would let you get before we before I would let you get ready for a prep or pick a show, I would ready for a prep or pick a show, I would ready for a prep or pick a show, I would reverse diet you all the way up to a reverse diet you all the way up to a reverse diet you all the way up to a good at least 28 2900 calories. Your good at least 28 2900 calories. Your good at least 28 2900 calories. Your height, muscle, strength that you have height, muscle, strength that you have height, muscle, strength that you have on you, on you, on you, >> you should be we we need to get our >> you should be we we need to get our >> you should be we we need to get our calories up. We got to get our calories calories up. We got to get our calories calories up. We got to get our calories because you you have nowhere to cut because you you have nowhere to cut because you you have nowhere to cut >> if you're right now 800 calories. >> if you're right now 800 calories. >> if you're right now 800 calories. >> Yeah. You're not gonna I mean that I'm >> Yeah. You're not gonna I mean that I'm >> Yeah. You're not gonna I mean that I'm so glad I said that the asked that so glad I said that the asked that so glad I said that the asked that question because there's no way I would question because there's no way I would question because there's no way I would want you to get ready for a bikini show want you to get ready for a bikini show want you to get ready for a bikini show from a 1600 calorie maintenance. That from a 1600 calorie maintenance. That from a 1600 calorie maintenance. That that's a that's a that's a >> that's all bad. There's nowhere to go. >> that's all bad. There's nowhere to go. >> that's all bad. There's nowhere to go. >> Yeah. Yeah. All bad. You'll you'll feel >> Yeah. Yeah. All bad. You'll you'll feel >> Yeah. Yeah. All bad. You'll you'll feel horrible. You'll feel horrible and then horrible. You'll feel horrible and then horrible. You'll feel horrible and then you won't even get close to the the you won't even get close to the the you won't even get close to the the physique that you're trying to attempt physique that you're trying to attempt physique that you're trying to attempt to get. You'll to get. You'll to get. You'll >> you'll be disappointed on both ends. And >> you'll be disappointed on both ends. And >> you'll be disappointed on both ends. And so it's like the move right now, so it's like the move right now, so it's like the move right now, >> reverse diet >> reverse diet >> reverse diet >> would be to reverse diet slowly and just >> would be to reverse diet slowly and just >> would be to reverse diet slowly and just and keep focusing on getting strong. And and keep focusing on getting strong. And and keep focusing on getting strong. And since that's what's what's exciting since that's what's what's exciting since that's what's what's exciting because you're already somebody who's because you're already somebody who's because you're already somebody who's strong and you put muscle on, don't shy strong and you put muscle on, don't shy strong and you put muscle on, don't shy away from that. It's easy to let lose away from that. It's easy to let lose away from that. It's easy to let lose muscle. If you stop lifting weights, muscle. If you stop lifting weights, muscle. If you stop lifting weights, don't worry, it'll go away. So, don't don't worry, it'll go away. So, don't don't worry, it'll go away. So, don't don't shy away from building muscle, don't shy away from building muscle, don't shy away from building muscle, letting the scale go up because we're letting the scale go up because we're letting the scale go up because we're building muscle, but focusing on getting building muscle, but focusing on getting building muscle, but focusing on getting those calories up to put us in a a those calories up to put us in a a those calories up to put us in a a healthier place. And I I'm willing to healthier place. And I I'm willing to healthier place. And I I'm willing to bet you would you're going to feel bet you would you're going to feel bet you would you're going to feel better. You'll look better. better. You'll look better. better. You'll look better. >> Definitely from 1600 calories, >> Definitely from 1600 calories, >> Definitely from 1600 calories, >> all all the things. >> all all the things. >> all all the things. >> Yeah. You'll feel way better. I would >> Yeah. You'll feel way better. I would >> Yeah. You'll feel way better. I would bump you 200 right out the gates. bump you 200 right out the gates. bump you 200 right out the gates. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right out the gates. Go up to 1,800 >> Right out the gates. Go up to 1,800 >> Right out the gates. Go up to 1,800 calories. calories. calories. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Are you Are you Are >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Are you Are you Are >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Are you Are you Are you Are you Are you Are you listening? I you Are you Are you Are you listening? I you Are you Are you Are you listening? I don't know how regularly you listen to don't know how regularly you listen to don't know how regularly you listen to this show. Are you listening to my this show. Are you listening to my this show. Are you listening to my journey with Karen right now coaching journey with Karen right now coaching journey with Karen right now coaching her? her? her? >> Yeah. Yeah, I listen to you guys a lot. >> Yeah. Yeah, I listen to you guys a lot. >> Yeah. Yeah, I listen to you guys a lot. In fact, thank you so much. I work In fact, thank you so much. I work In fact, thank you so much. I work nights so you guys get me through the nights so you guys get me through the nights so you guys get me through the night. night. night. >> Okay, cool. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'm this >> Okay, cool. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'm this >> Okay, cool. Okay, cool. Yeah, I'm this is what we're going through right now is is what we're going through right now is is what we're going through right now is I'm I'm reverse dieting her and you I'm I'm reverse dieting her and you I'm I'm reverse dieting her and you know, uh she's she's a tiny tiny little know, uh she's she's a tiny tiny little know, uh she's she's a tiny tiny little petite thing and we're we're up to 2,700 petite thing and we're we're up to 2,700 petite thing and we're we're up to 2,700 calories. So I and I want I still going. calories. So I and I want I still going. calories. So I and I want I still going. So I want I want to keep pushing her in So I want I want to keep pushing her in So I want I want to keep pushing her in that direction before I let her come that direction before I let her come that direction before I let her come back down in calories. So, um, yeah, I' back down in calories. So, um, yeah, I' back down in calories. So, um, yeah, I' I'd want you up much higher. So, that I'd want you up much higher. So, that I'd want you up much higher. So, that same focus. And you work, uh, you work n same focus. And you work, uh, you work n same focus. And you work, uh, you work n So, you, uh, on your feet a lot. What do So, you, uh, on your feet a lot. What do So, you, uh, on your feet a lot. What do you do? you do? you do? >> Yeah. Yeah. I stock shelves right now. >> Yeah. Yeah. I stock shelves right now. >> Yeah. Yeah. I stock shelves right now. So, lots of movement, bending, moving So, lots of movement, bending, moving So, lots of movement, bending, moving constantly. constantly. constantly. >> Your calories are way too low. >> Your calories are way too low. >> Your calories are way too low. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. >> I don't feel depleted, though. That's >> I don't feel depleted, though. That's >> I don't feel depleted, though. That's kind of why cuz I thought maybe that, kind of why cuz I thought maybe that, kind of why cuz I thought maybe that, too. too. too. >> No, just wait till you start feeding >> No, just wait till you start feeding >> No, just wait till you start feeding yourself more and then you'll know. Then yourself more and then you'll know. Then yourself more and then you'll know. Then you'll be like, "Oh, yeah. I was way I I you'll be like, "Oh, yeah. I was way I I you'll be like, "Oh, yeah. I was way I I want you way better. I want you on a want you way better. I want you on a want you way better. I want you on a program like MAPS 15 and I want to program like MAPS 15 and I want to program like MAPS 15 and I want to reverse diet you. This is a very similar reverse diet you. This is a very similar reverse diet you. This is a very similar kind of protocol as I got Karen on. So kind of protocol as I got Karen on. So kind of protocol as I got Karen on. So I'd love to send MAPS 15 to you. I take I'd love to send MAPS 15 to you. I take I'd love to send MAPS 15 to you. I take Sal's advice at least 200 calories right Sal's advice at least 200 calories right Sal's advice at least 200 calories right out the gates. Right out the gates 200 out the gates. Right out the gates 200 out the gates. Right out the gates 200 more calories a day and then a good goal more calories a day and then a good goal more calories a day and then a good goal is to every every week or every other is to every every week or every other is to every every week or every other week bump 100 and keep going that way. week bump 100 and keep going that way. week bump 100 and keep going that way. And only and just map 15. That's all you And only and just map 15. That's all you And only and just map 15. That's all you need. Okay? The more more training need. Okay? The more more training need. Okay? The more more training harder isn't better. Uh, stay away from harder isn't better. Uh, stay away from harder isn't better. Uh, stay away from the scale if that messes with your head. the scale if that messes with your head. the scale if that messes with your head. >> So, like I Okay, cool. If you're cool >> So, like I Okay, cool. If you're cool >> So, like I Okay, cool. If you're cool with it, then then that's fine. But I with it, then then that's fine. But I with it, then then that's fine. But I expect that expect some of that as we as expect that expect some of that as we as expect that expect some of that as we as we do that. we do that. we do that. >> Uh, but I I think you're going to put >> Uh, but I I think you're going to put >> Uh, but I I think you're going to put muscle on and I think we're going to get muscle on and I think we're going to get muscle on and I think we're going to get a place where we get our calories up and a place where we get our calories up and a place where we get our calories up and you should be feeling strong and and you should be feeling strong and and you should be feeling strong and and good energy and then that'll give us good energy and then that'll give us good energy and then that'll give us some room to totally manipulate some room to totally manipulate some room to totally manipulate calories. calories. calories. >> Where should I bring those 200 calories >> Where should I bring those 200 calories >> Where should I bring those 200 calories in from? in from? in from? >> Carbs. Yeah, rice. Rice. If you like I >> Carbs. Yeah, rice. Rice. If you like I >> Carbs. Yeah, rice. Rice. If you like I love rice. love rice. love rice. >> Yeah, because I'm assuming your your pro >> Yeah, because I'm assuming your your pro >> Yeah, because I'm assuming your your pro your protein's good. Your fat's okay. your protein's good. Your fat's okay. your protein's good. Your fat's okay. Are you okay with your fats? What are Are you okay with your fats? What are Are you okay with your fats? What are you at with grams? you at with grams? you at with grams? >> Yeah, I'm 120 grams of fat. >> Yeah, I'm 120 grams of fat. >> Yeah, I'm 120 grams of fat. >> Oh, yeah. Bump carbs. Carbs. >> Oh, yeah. Bump carbs. Carbs. >> Oh, yeah. Bump carbs. Carbs. >> Add 200 grams of 200 200 g of carbs. >> Add 200 grams of 200 200 g of carbs. >> Add 200 grams of 200 200 g of carbs. >> You know what I love too is that >> You know what I love too is that >> You know what I love too is that especially since you said rice and especially since you said rice and especially since you said rice and potatoes is is literally just use that potatoes is is literally just use that potatoes is is literally just use that as your just keep you know a half a cup as your just keep you know a half a cup as your just keep you know a half a cup or a cup a day is what you're you know or a cup a day is what you're you know or a cup a day is what you're you know whatever that is and then just the next whatever that is and then just the next whatever that is and then just the next week add another half a cup and the next week add another half a cup and the next week add another half a cup and the next week or that add another half a cup and week or that add another half a cup and week or that add another half a cup and just keep doing that just keep doing that just keep doing that >> you know. >> you know. >> you know. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Yeah. >> All right. Yeah. >> All right. Yeah. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> All right, Vanessa. >> All right, Vanessa. >> All right, Vanessa. >> Thanks, y'all. You got it. All right, >> Thanks, y'all. You got it. All right, >> Thanks, y'all. You got it. All right, keep us posted. keep us posted. keep us posted. >> Absolutely. Okay, guy. >> Absolutely. Okay, guy. >> Absolutely. Okay, guy. >> God, I'm glad you asked that. 1,600 >> God, I'm glad you asked that. 1,600 >> God, I'm glad you asked that. 1,600 calories is in five if you're working calories is in five if you're working calories is in five if you're working out four to five days a week and you're out four to five days a week and you're out four to five days a week and you're active and you're not She's 5'11. active and you're not She's 5'11. active and you're not She's 5'11. >> She's built like my ex. >> She's built like my ex. >> She's built like my ex. >> Yeah. And there's no way, >> Yeah. And there's no way, >> Yeah. And there's no way, >> bro. She's deadlifting almost 200 lb. >> bro. She's deadlifting almost 200 lb. >> bro. She's deadlifting almost 200 lb. She works out with That's not PR She works out with That's not PR She works out with That's not PR numbers. She works out with almost 200 numbers. She works out with almost 200 numbers. She works out with almost 200 lb deadlifting. She says she puts on lb deadlifting. She says she puts on lb deadlifting. She says she puts on muscle good. She's 5'11. That's a dude. muscle good. She's 5'11. That's a dude. muscle good. She's 5'11. That's a dude. That's what uh my ex walked around at That's what uh my ex walked around at That's what uh my ex walked around at 165 to 175 year round as a fit personal 165 to 175 year round as a fit personal 165 to 175 year round as a fit personal trainer and and she does she would she's trainer and and she does she would she's trainer and and she does she would she's thicker in that area, but it's just that thicker in that area, but it's just that thicker in that area, but it's just that that's her body type. And then when you that's her body type. And then when you that's her body type. And then when you get she'd hit stage at 150. get she'd hit stage at 150. get she'd hit stage at 150. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, she's not far off from like a stage >> So, she's not far off from like a stage >> So, she's not far off from like a stage weight, but she needs to build muscle, weight, but she needs to build muscle, weight, but she needs to build muscle, build her metabolism up before she comes build her metabolism up before she comes build her metabolism up before she comes back down that that direction. For sure. back down that that direction. For sure. back down that that direction. For sure. >> Totally. All right. I know you like that >> Totally. All right. I know you like that >> Totally. All right. I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. episode. If you did, check this one out. episode. If you did, check this one out. One of the keys to fat loss is protein. One of the keys to fat loss is protein. One of the keys to fat loss is protein. It's true. If you're not eating a high It's true. If you're not eating a high It's true. If you're not eating a high protein diet, you're not going to burn protein diet, you're not going to burn protein diet, you're not going to burn as much body fat as you can. So today's as much body fat as you can. So today's as much body fat as you can. So today's episode, we're going to talk about the episode, we're going to talk about the episode, we're going to talk about the smartest ways to use protein for fat smartest ways to use protein for fat smartest ways to use protein for fat burn and to build muscle. You got to burn and to build muscle. You got to burn and to build muscle. You got to watch this. watch this. watch this. >> I wish I understood this earlier in my >> I wish I understood this earlier in my >> I wish I understood this earlier in my career. I think it was probably career. I think it was probably career. I think it was probably almost 10 years in when I started to almost 10 years in when I started to almost 10 years in when I started to just focus on this with clients. just focus on this with clients. just focus on this with clients. >> I knew it was important, but I don't >> I knew it was important, but I don't >> I knew it was important, but I don't know how important. know how important. know how important. >> Yeah. I also did I knew what was >> Yeah. I also did I knew what was >> Yeah. I also did I knew what was important and but I also