EMERGENCY PODCAST Ex-CIA Spy: World War III Has Already Started — Most People Just Don't Know It Yet

Never has there been a crazier time. Never has there been a crazier time. This is absolutely wild. The uh Iranian This is absolutely wild. The uh Iranian This is absolutely wild. The uh Iranian war has kicked off. It is, I think, war has kicked off. It is, I think, war has kicked off. It is, I think, full-fledged at this point. Now, I think full-fledged at this point. Now, I think full-fledged at this point. Now, I think a lot of people are getting the analysis a lot of people are getting the analysis a lot of people are getting the analysis on Iran wrong. They either get sucked on Iran wrong. They either get sucked on Iran wrong. They either get sucked into the Israel question of whether into the Israel question of whether into the Israel question of whether we're just being puppet mastered or we're just being puppet mastered or we're just being puppet mastered or they're buying into the propaganda they're buying into the propaganda they're buying into the propaganda around the nuclear threat. If we want to around the nuclear threat. If we want to around the nuclear threat. If we want to get below the propaganda, what's really get below the propaganda, what's really get below the propaganda, what's really going on in Iran? You know, it's such a going on in Iran? You know, it's such a going on in Iran? You know, it's such a great question and the best place to great question and the best place to great question and the best place to start when I felt myself conflicted by start when I felt myself conflicted by start when I felt myself conflicted by the same two narratives, right? The the same two narratives, right? The the same two narratives, right? The Israel's in charge narrative and the WMD Israel's in charge narrative and the WMD Israel's in charge narrative and the WMD narrative, which is a funny narrative narrative, which is a funny narrative narrative, which is a funny narrative because we've been there before. because we've been there before. because we've been there before. >> I was I was asking myself the same >> I was I was asking myself the same >> I was I was asking myself the same question. How do I get deeper than this? question. How do I get deeper than this? question. How do I get deeper than this? And when I was at CIA, I remembered that And when I was at CIA, I remembered that And when I was at CIA, I remembered that every year we have to create a national every year we have to create a national every year we have to create a national threat assessment at CIA that then feeds threat assessment at CIA that then feeds threat assessment at CIA that then feeds up to the ODNI, the office of the up to the ODNI, the office of the up to the ODNI, the office of the director of national intelligence along director of national intelligence along director of national intelligence along with every other intelligence agency out with every other intelligence agency out with every other intelligence agency out there. So NRO, NGA, NSA, FBI, Army there. So NRO, NGA, NSA, FBI, Army there. So NRO, NGA, NSA, FBI, Army Intel, Navy Intel, everybody's charged Intel, Navy Intel, everybody's charged Intel, Navy Intel, everybody's charged with writing an assessment of the with writing an assessment of the with writing an assessment of the biggest threats from their specific type biggest threats from their specific type biggest threats from their specific type of intelligence of intelligence of intelligence >> facing the United States. And then they >> facing the United States. And then they >> facing the United States. And then they send that to the office of the director send that to the office of the director send that to the office of the director of national intelligence that then of national intelligence that then of national intelligence that then compiles it into one final threat compiles it into one final threat compiles it into one final threat assessment for the US. And that threat assessment for the US. And that threat assessment for the US. And that threat assessment is what all the congressmen assessment is what all the congressmen assessment is what all the congressmen and congress women use to fund and congress women use to fund and congress women use to fund intelligence operations for the intelligence operations for the intelligence operations for the following year. So I was like, let me following year. So I was like, let me following year. So I was like, let me take a look at that document. I want to take a look at that document. I want to take a look at that document. I want to know where Iran and to the same know where Iran and to the same know where Iran and to the same question, where does Venezuela land? question, where does Venezuela land? question, where does Venezuela land? Because less than 60 days ago, we Because less than 60 days ago, we Because less than 60 days ago, we rendered rendered rendered Nicholas Maduro out of his bed in Nicholas Maduro out of his bed in Nicholas Maduro out of his bed in Venezuela in Caracus. Venezuela in Caracus. Venezuela in Caracus. >> Now, is that threat assessment something >> Now, is that threat assessment something >> Now, is that threat assessment something you get because it's classified or is you get because it's classified or is you get because it's classified or is that publicly available? that publicly available? that publicly available? >> It's a publicly available document. We >> It's a publicly available document. We >> It's a publicly available document. We create classified versions that then get create classified versions that then get create classified versions that then get sanitized and shared publicly because sanitized and shared publicly because sanitized and shared publicly because it's part of what the national it's part of what the national it's part of what the national intelligence estimate that's owed to the intelligence estimate that's owed to the intelligence estimate that's owed to the American people by Congress every year. American people by Congress every year. American people by Congress every year. So h we can all check these assessments So h we can all check these assessments So h we can all check these assessments to understand what are the priorities to understand what are the priorities to understand what are the priorities that are dictated by our government. that are dictated by our government. that are dictated by our government. Where does our tax money go? So I look Where does our tax money go? So I look Where does our tax money go? So I look up the threat assessment published by up the threat assessment published by up the threat assessment published by the office of the director of national the office of the director of national the office of the director of national intelligence. Iran very clearly in that intelligence. Iran very clearly in that intelligence. Iran very clearly in that document published in March of 25 is not document published in March of 25 is not document published in March of 25 is not working on weapons of mass destruction. working on weapons of mass destruction. working on weapons of mass destruction. Has no plans to increase or enhance Has no plans to increase or enhance Has no plans to increase or enhance their uranium enrichment. and maybe at their uranium enrichment. and maybe at their uranium enrichment. and maybe at the early stages of research and the early stages of research and the early stages of research and development for chemical and biological development for chemical and biological development for chemical and biological weapons. That's what it says. That was weapons. That's what it says. That was weapons. That's what it says. That was in March of 2025. June of 2025, we bomb in March of 2025. June of 2025, we bomb in March of 2025. June of 2025, we bomb Iran under the accusation that they are Iran under the accusation that they are Iran under the accusation that they are enriching uranium beyond military grade enriching uranium beyond military grade enriching uranium beyond military grade or up to military grade levels at the or up to military grade levels at the or up to military grade levels at the Ford plant in in uh in Iran. In stark Ford plant in in uh in Iran. In stark Ford plant in in uh in Iran. In stark contrast, the what we were told as the contrast, the what we were told as the contrast, the what we were told as the public stood in contrast to what the public stood in contrast to what the public stood in contrast to what the ODNI published as an official source ODNI published as an official source ODNI published as an official source document for the national intelligence document for the national intelligence document for the national intelligence um infrastructure. um infrastructure. um infrastructure. But that's only one of several But that's only one of several But that's only one of several documents. There's also a Department of documents. There's also a Department of documents. There's also a Department of War document that's produced every year War document that's produced every year War document that's produced every year and that tells you the national and that tells you the national and that tells you the national strategies of the defense that what was strategies of the defense that what was strategies of the defense that what was the Department of Defense that is now the Department of Defense that is now the Department of Defense that is now the Department of War. the Department of War. the Department of War. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Inside that document, Iran is not a >> Inside that document, Iran is not a >> Inside that document, Iran is not a priority. inside the White House's priority. inside the White House's priority. inside the White House's national security strategy. All publicly national security strategy. All publicly national security strategy. All publicly available documents that nobody knows available documents that nobody knows available documents that nobody knows exists. None of them highlighted Iran as exists. None of them highlighted Iran as exists. None of them highlighted Iran as a national security priority. None of a national security priority. None of a national security priority. None of them highlighted Venezuela as a national them highlighted Venezuela as a national them highlighted Venezuela as a national security priority. So it became very security priority. So it became very security priority. So it became very clear to me that what's happening where clear to me that what's happening where clear to me that what's happening where our weapons, our intelligence, our our weapons, our intelligence, our our weapons, our intelligence, our military might is being used, it's being military might is being used, it's being military might is being used, it's being used for something other than what we've used for something other than what we've used for something other than what we've been told and what Congress has been been told and what Congress has been been told and what Congress has been told are our national security issues. told are our national security issues. told are our national security issues. Do you have a sense of why they're doing Do you have a sense of why they're doing Do you have a sense of why they're doing this? Like is Trump just a power mad, this? Like is Trump just a power mad, this? Like is Trump just a power mad, you know, madman that wants to gobble up you know, madman that wants to gobble up you know, madman that wants to gobble up territory? Like what what's happening? territory? Like what what's happening? territory? Like what what's happening? If if it is if they aren't a threat, If if it is if they aren't a threat, If if it is if they aren't a threat, neither of the two places that he's made neither of the two places that he's made neither of the two places that he's made a move on in the last 60 days alone, if a move on in the last 60 days alone, if a move on in the last 60 days alone, if neither of them are a threat that our neither of them are a threat that our neither of them are a threat that our government is warning us about, why move government is warning us about, why move government is warning us about, why move on them? I suspect there is an element on them? I suspect there is an element on them? I suspect there is an element of Trump trying to protect his personal of Trump trying to protect his personal of Trump trying to protect his personal legacy more so than his presidential legacy more so than his presidential legacy more so than his presidential legacy. He's trying to protect the brand legacy. He's trying to protect the brand legacy. He's trying to protect the brand Trump and make sure that that brand is Trump and make sure that that brand is Trump and make sure that that brand is always associated with strength and always associated with strength and always associated with strength and power. But then second to that, I think power. But then second to that, I think power. But then second to that, I think there's also an element of the United there's also an element of the United there's also an element of the United States knows it's a declining power and States knows it's a declining power and States knows it's a declining power and the administration of the United States the administration of the United States the administration of the United States knows that they are now the knows that they are now the knows that they are now the administration of a declining power and administration of a declining power and administration of a declining power and they have to try to scramble back as they have to try to scramble back as they have to try to scramble back as many W's, wins, victories as they many W's, wins, victories as they many W's, wins, victories as they possibly can. So they're making moves possibly can. So they're making moves possibly can. So they're making moves against what most other presidential against what most other presidential against what most other presidential administrations consider lowhanging administrations consider lowhanging administrations consider lowhanging fruit. Venezuela is an irritant, not a fruit. Venezuela is an irritant, not a fruit. Venezuela is an irritant, not a national security issue. Iran is a sad national security issue. Iran is a sad national security issue. Iran is a sad news story for the Middle East, but news story for the Middle East, but news story for the Middle East, but that's why we're peers. That's why we're that's why we're peers. That's why we're that's why we're peers. That's why we're allies with Israel, so that Israel can allies with Israel, so that Israel can allies with Israel, so that Israel can keep Iran in check. And so the United keep Iran in check. And so the United keep Iran in check. And so the United States doesn't have to put American States doesn't have to put American States doesn't have to put American lives or American dollars at risk lives or American dollars at risk lives or American dollars at risk halfway across the globe. Plus, we're halfway across the globe. Plus, we're halfway across the globe. Plus, we're friends with Saudi Arabia and UAE and friends with Saudi Arabia and UAE and friends with Saudi Arabia and UAE and Jordan, and we have them surrounded with Jordan, and we have them surrounded with Jordan, and we have them surrounded with allies so that we don't have to get allies so that we don't have to get allies so that we don't have to get involved. So, there's an element where I involved. So, there's an element where I involved. So, there's an element where I believe what's happening is the believe what's happening is the believe what's happening is the administration realizes we're weak and administration realizes we're weak and administration realizes we're weak and getting weaker. We can't handle our own getting weaker. We can't handle our own getting weaker. We can't handle our own economic crisis. We can't handle our own economic crisis. We can't handle our own economic crisis. We can't handle our own political divide. And we've only got two political divide. And we've only got two political divide. And we've only got two years left. And if the midterms turn years left. And if the midterms turn years left. And if the midterms turn either the Senate or the House blue, and either the Senate or the House blue, and either the Senate or the House blue, and the House is supposed to turn blue the House is supposed to turn blue the House is supposed to turn blue potentially, then now Trump is a lame potentially, then now Trump is a lame potentially, then now Trump is a lame duck president, not that that's going to duck president, not that that's going to duck president, not that that's going to stop him from using executive orders and stop him from using executive orders and stop him from using executive orders and covert action, but beside the point, covert action, but beside the point, covert action, but beside the point, they don't want to go out on a low note. they don't want to go out on a low note. they don't want to go out on a low note. So they literally are putting stickers So they literally are putting stickers So they literally are putting stickers on their helmet in the football game, on their helmet in the football game, on their helmet in the football game, check marks on the side of your fighter check marks on the side of your fighter check marks on the side of your fighter jet every time you make a kill, and jet every time you make a kill, and jet every time you make a kill, and they're like, "Hey, we took out Maduro. they're like, "Hey, we took out Maduro. they're like, "Hey, we took out Maduro. Hey, we took out the Ayatollah." I think Hey, we took out the Ayatollah." I think Hey, we took out the Ayatollah." I think their eyes are probably on Cuba next. their eyes are probably on Cuba next. their eyes are probably on Cuba next. And if they follow the list of countries And if they follow the list of countries And if they follow the list of countries that are persistently irritants, that are persistently irritants, that are persistently irritants, North Korea would logically follow Cuba. North Korea would logically follow Cuba. North Korea would logically follow Cuba. And this was this is all stuff that they And this was this is all stuff that they And this was this is all stuff that they could potentially make happen before the could potentially make happen before the could potentially make happen before the end of Trump's second term. end of Trump's second term. end of Trump's second term. Okay. So, a legacy play, not necessarily Okay. So, a legacy play, not necessarily Okay. So, a legacy play, not necessarily something to protect at the midterms. something to protect at the midterms. something to protect at the midterms. So, um when you look at the timing of So, um when you look at the timing of So, um when you look at the timing of the move, what do you think explains the the move, what do you think explains the the move, what do you think explains the timing? timing? timing? >> I I think a big part of the timing is >> I I think a big part of the timing is >> I I think a big part of the timing is tied to the intelligence that was tied to the intelligence that was tied to the intelligence that was collected and the embarrassment coming collected and the embarrassment coming collected and the embarrassment coming out of the negotiations. So, out of the negotiations. So, out of the negotiations. So, >> because he wasn't able to get >> because he wasn't able to get >> because he wasn't able to get concessions, concessions, concessions, >> correct? And if if you look at just >> correct? And if if you look at just >> correct? And if if you look at just what's happening between Trump and Iran, what's happening between Trump and Iran, what's happening between Trump and Iran, it's not enough. You also have to look it's not enough. You also have to look it's not enough. You also have to look at the fact that he threatened Canada at the fact that he threatened Canada at the fact that he threatened Canada with tariffs and got and lost that and with tariffs and got and lost that and with tariffs and got and lost that and then he threatened Europe with Greenland then he threatened Europe with Greenland then he threatened Europe with Greenland and he lost that. So he had just come and he lost that. So he had just come and he lost that. So he had just come off of a string of losses very public off of a string of losses very public off of a string of losses very public embarrassing embarrassing losses and it embarrassing embarrassing losses and it embarrassing embarrassing losses and it was time for a quick victory. And you was time for a quick victory. And you was time for a quick victory. And you can't control Europe. You can't really can't control Europe. You can't really can't control Europe. You can't really control the Supreme Court as much as you control the Supreme Court as much as you control the Supreme Court as much as you might try. But what you can do is park a might try. But what you can do is park a might try. But what you can do is park a bunch of weapons off the coast of Oman bunch of weapons off the coast of Oman bunch of weapons off the coast of Oman with with missiles pointed at Iran and with with missiles pointed at Iran and with with missiles pointed at Iran and try to force them to take action. Well, try to force them to take action. Well, try to force them to take action. Well, Iran was also watching and recognizing Iran was also watching and recognizing Iran was also watching and recognizing that the president had a series of that the president had a series of that the president had a series of losses that standing up to the American losses that standing up to the American losses that standing up to the American president was working for some president was working for some president was working for some countries. So, they stood up. They still countries. So, they stood up. They still countries. So, they stood up. They still engaged in negotiations, but they tried engaged in negotiations, but they tried engaged in negotiations, but they tried to, you know, prolong those to, you know, prolong those to, you know, prolong those negotiations. And I think in that negotiations. And I think in that negotiations. And I think in that process, the the flaw in their strategy process, the the flaw in their strategy process, the the flaw in their strategy was that they didn't realize that the was that they didn't realize that the was that they didn't realize that the United States and Israel at a minimum at United States and Israel at a minimum at United States and Israel at a minimum at a minimum, not the only two countries a minimum, not the only two countries a minimum, not the only two countries were combining intelligence to determine were combining intelligence to determine were combining intelligence to determine whether or not it would be worth whether or not it would be worth whether or not it would be worth striking Iran. I guarantee you the UAE, striking Iran. I guarantee you the UAE, striking Iran. I guarantee you the UAE, the Saudis, and the Jordanians all had a the Saudis, and the Jordanians all had a the Saudis, and the Jordanians all had a seat at that table, too, sharing their seat at that table, too, sharing their seat at that table, too, sharing their intelligence. And when they found out intelligence. And when they found out intelligence. And when they found out that there was going to be a a that there was going to be a a that there was going to be a a leadership meeting at a certain date, at leadership meeting at a certain date, at leadership meeting at a certain date, at a certain time, Israel said, "We're a certain time, Israel said, "We're a certain time, Israel said, "We're going to move, and you all going to move, and you all going to move, and you all >> can either keep up or shut up, but we're >> can either keep up or shut up, but we're >> can either keep up or shut up, but we're going to do what all of you don't have going to do what all of you don't have going to do what all of you don't have the courage to do." Okay, that makes the courage to do." Okay, that makes the courage to do." Okay, that makes sense once you've got the buildup of the sense once you've got the buildup of the sense once you've got the buildup of the assets there. Yes. Um, but in terms of assets there. Yes. Um, but in terms of assets there. Yes. Um, but in terms of the sending all the assets over, the the sending all the assets over, the the sending all the assets over, the timing now you think was just that timing now you think was just that timing now you think was just that series of losses. He's looking around series of losses. He's looking around series of losses. He's looking around the world. I need a win. Uh, and so the world. I need a win. Uh, and so the world. I need a win. Uh, and so cool. I'm gonna go to Iran next. Protect cool. I'm gonna go to Iran next. Protect cool. I'm gonna go to Iran next. Protect the legacy up. And then now that we've the legacy up. And then now that we've the legacy up. And then now that we've got everybody here, there's an open got everybody here, there's an open got everybody here, there's an open window of opportunity. We're gonna go window of opportunity. We're gonna go window of opportunity. 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So on the topic of why now Netanyahu has spoken directly to this Netanyahu has spoken directly to this Netanyahu has spoken directly to this saying that it's not that we didn't saying that it's not that we didn't saying that it's not that we didn't destroy their nuclear facilities is that destroy their nuclear facilities is that destroy their nuclear facilities is that these guys can't learn. I think he used these guys can't learn. I think he used these guys can't learn. I think he used the word they're unredeemable and saying the word they're unredeemable and saying the word they're unredeemable and saying they want to destroy America which I they want to destroy America which I they want to destroy America which I thought was interesting. He didn't say thought was interesting. He didn't say thought was interesting. He didn't say Israel said America. You remember guys Israel said America. You remember guys Israel said America. You remember guys I'm talking to you like all that. Uh but I'm talking to you like all that. Uh but I'm talking to you like all that. Uh but that they were taking their ballistic that they were taking their ballistic that they were taking their ballistic missile program underground deep into missile program underground deep into missile program underground deep into tunnels that were going to make it tunnels that were going to make it tunnels that were going to make it impossible for us to ever strike against impossible for us to ever strike against impossible for us to ever strike against it in the future. He said that would it in the future. He said that would it in the future. He said that would give them the ability to blackmail the give them the ability to blackmail the give them the ability to blackmail the US. Um, what do you think about that? US. Um, what do you think about that? US. Um, what do you think about that? >> This is a fantastic example of what we >> This is a fantastic example of what we >> This is a fantastic example of what we call influence call influence call influence uh influence literacy at CIA. You have uh influence literacy at CIA. You have uh influence literacy at CIA. You have to be literate in understanding when to be literate in understanding when to be literate in understanding when someone is trying to influence you. What someone is trying to influence you. What someone is trying to influence you. What is Netanyahu's native language? What's is Netanyahu's native language? What's is Netanyahu's native language? What's the native language of Israel? the native language of Israel? the native language of Israel? >> Hebrew, >> Hebrew, >> Hebrew, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> He's not speaking in Hebrew. He's >> He's not speaking in Hebrew. He's >> He's not speaking in Hebrew. He's speaking in English. So, who is the speaking in English. So, who is the speaking in English. So, who is the intended audience? intended audience? intended audience? English-speaking world. Well, who's part English-speaking world. Well, who's part English-speaking world. Well, who's part of the English-sp speakaking world? The of the English-sp speakaking world? The of the English-sp speakaking world? The United States and and Great Britain, of United States and and Great Britain, of United States and and Great Britain, of course. So, he's not even talking to course. So, he's not even talking to course. So, he's not even talking to Israelis. He's talking to the United Israelis. He's talking to the United Israelis. He's talking to the United States. He doesn't mention Israel. He States. He doesn't mention Israel. He States. He doesn't mention Israel. He only talks about America. Why is the why only talks about America. Why is the why only talks about America. Why is the why is the prime minister of somebody else's is the prime minister of somebody else's is the prime minister of somebody else's somebody else's country talking about somebody else's country talking about somebody else's country talking about threats to the United States? threats to the United States? threats to the United States? >> Doesn't make any sense. And then on top >> Doesn't make any sense. And then on top >> Doesn't make any sense. And then on top of that, he he used a word that we have of that, he he used a word that we have of that, he he used a word that we have never heard before when regards to Iran. never heard before when regards to Iran. never heard before when regards to Iran. Blackmail. Blackmail. Blackmail. Blackmail is a terrifying word. It's a Blackmail is a terrifying word. It's a Blackmail is a terrifying word. It's a triggering word for Americans. triggering word for Americans. triggering word for Americans. Maybe it's a triggering word for for Maybe it's a triggering word for for Maybe it's a triggering word for for Israelis, too. But why would he use that Israelis, too. But why would he use that Israelis, too. But why would he use that word? And that word does not fit in the word? And that word does not fit in the word? And that word does not fit in the context of any of the threats that we've context of any of the threats that we've context of any of the threats that we've ever heard about coming from Iran. So, ever heard about coming from Iran. So, ever heard about coming from Iran. So, here we have somebody else's foreign here we have somebody else's foreign here we have somebody else's foreign leader telling us that America was being leader telling us that America was being leader telling us that America was being threatened with blackmail. And that's threatened with blackmail. And that's threatened with blackmail. And that's before we even get into the physical before we even get into the physical before we even get into the physical impossibilities of an unpenetrable impossibilities of an unpenetrable impossibilities of an unpenetrable underground bunker being built within underground bunker being built within underground bunker being built within months. And and the data points just months. And and the data points just months. And and the data points just don't line up. the data points between don't line up. the data points between don't line up. the data points between the ODNI report that we talked about the ODNI report that we talked about the ODNI report that we talked about that said that there was no enrichment that said that there was no enrichment that said that there was no enrichment program or an unlikely nuclear program program or an unlikely nuclear program program or an unlikely nuclear program plus the fact that we had plus the fact that we had plus the fact that we had representatives of the Trump uh representatives of the Trump uh representatives of the Trump uh administration saying that Iran was 5 administration saying that Iran was 5 administration saying that Iran was 5 days away from a nuclear weapon plus now days away from a nuclear weapon plus now days away from a nuclear weapon plus now we have this saying months away from an we have this saying months away from an we have this saying months away from an underground bunker. These are all very underground bunker. These are all very underground bunker. These are all very different contradicting statements. So different contradicting statements. So different contradicting statements. So my influence literacy is telling me that my influence literacy is telling me that my influence literacy is telling me that this is intentional this is intentional this is intentional disinformation or what could be known as disinformation or what could be known as disinformation or what could be known as malicious information, malinformation malicious information, malinformation malicious information, malinformation where it is partly true but it is where it is partly true but it is where it is partly true but it is delivered in a way in order to cause delivered in a way in order to cause delivered in a way in order to cause damage or or fear and anxiety. damage or or fear and anxiety. damage or or fear and anxiety. >> All right, that's really interesting. So >> All right, that's really interesting. So >> All right, that's really interesting. So along those lines, there's another clip along those lines, there's another clip along those lines, there's another clip from Tucker Carlson where he is talking from Tucker Carlson where he is talking from Tucker Carlson where he is talking about MSAD agents getting picked up for about MSAD agents getting picked up for about MSAD agents getting picked up for potentially bombing. I think it was in potentially bombing. I think it was in potentially bombing. I think it was in Qatar and somewhere else. And he is Qatar and somewhere else. And he is Qatar and somewhere else. And he is becoming increasingly anti-Israel. becoming increasingly anti-Israel. becoming increasingly anti-Israel. And so I will ask you after seeing that And so I will ask you after seeing that And so I will ask you after seeing that Tucker Carlson clip, do you have the Tucker Carlson clip, do you have the Tucker Carlson clip, do you have the same Spidey senses that he's trying to same Spidey senses that he's trying to same Spidey senses that he's trying to influence and an anti-Israel direction influence and an anti-Israel direction influence and an anti-Israel direction with this idea that um I think he with this idea that um I think he with this idea that um I think he specifically said something like uh they specifically said something like uh they specifically said something like uh they want to hurt all these different want to hurt all these different want to hurt all these different countries in the region. Um are we being countries in the region. Um are we being countries in the region. Um are we being influenced there? influenced there? influenced there? >> Ter Carlson's a fantastic comparison to >> Ter Carlson's a fantastic comparison to >> Ter Carlson's a fantastic comparison to the Netanyahu clip, right? The Netanyahu the Netanyahu clip, right? The Netanyahu the Netanyahu clip, right? The Netanyahu clip was clearly shaped for all clip was clearly shaped for all clip was clearly shaped for all Americans. It didn't have a specific Americans. It didn't have a specific Americans. It didn't have a specific slant. If I recall right, even the text slant. If I recall right, even the text slant. If I recall right, even the text of his words flipped between red and of his words flipped between red and of his words flipped between red and blue. blue. blue. >> There was no political bias in what he >> There was no political bias in what he >> There was no political bias in what he was saying. was saying. was saying. >> That's interesting. >> That's interesting. >> That's interesting. >> He was talking to Americans. >> He was talking to Americans. >> He was talking to Americans. >> Influence literacy is is an awesome >> Influence literacy is is an awesome >> Influence literacy is is an awesome thing when you start to learn it, right? thing when you start to learn it, right? thing when you start to learn it, right? >> Tucker Carlson, on the other hand, is >> Tucker Carlson, on the other hand, is >> Tucker Carlson, on the other hand, is clearly pandering to a niche. And it's a clearly pandering to a niche. And it's a clearly pandering to a niche. And it's a niche of people who already doubt, niche of people who already doubt, niche of people who already doubt, suspect, beyond being skeptical, they're suspect, beyond being skeptical, they're suspect, beyond being skeptical, they're conspiratorial of Israel. Could Israel conspiratorial of Israel. Could Israel conspiratorial of Israel. Could Israel have carried out false flag operations? have carried out false flag operations? have carried out false flag operations? Yes, it's possible. Would they choose to Yes, it's possible. Would they choose to Yes, it's possible. Would they choose to do it now when actual real damage is do it now when actual real damage is do it now when actual real damage is being done by Iran on its own? being done by Iran on its own? being done by Iran on its own? What's the benefit? What's the benefit What's the benefit? What's the benefit What's the benefit? What's the benefit of of risking the blowback of Qatar of of risking the blowback of Qatar of of risking the blowback of Qatar capturing a MSA agent like he's capturing a MSA agent like he's capturing a MSA agent like he's claiming? The blowback is huge. if it's claiming? The blowback is huge. if it's claiming? The blowback is huge. if it's real. Now Qatar is like, "Well, I don't real. Now Qatar is like, "Well, I don't real. Now Qatar is like, "Well, I don't [ __ ] Iran or [ __ ] Israel, right? I [ __ ] Iran or [ __ ] Israel, right? I [ __ ] Iran or [ __ ] Israel, right? I thought Iran was my enemy, but now I'm thought Iran was my enemy, but now I'm thought Iran was my enemy, but now I'm not so sure, but I know Israel is my not so sure, but I know Israel is my not so sure, but I know Israel is my enemy." It's a huge blowback risk for enemy." It's a huge blowback risk for enemy." It's a huge blowback risk for what? For one bomb to go off when when what? For one bomb to go off when when what? For one bomb to go off when when just leave Iran to its own. It's going just leave Iran to its own. It's going just leave Iran to its own. It's going to keep launching rockets that keep to keep launching rockets that keep to keep launching rockets that keep getting intercepted and it's going to be getting intercepted and it's going to be getting intercepted and it's going to be the clear bad guy. So, it doesn't make the clear bad guy. So, it doesn't make the clear bad guy. So, it doesn't make strategic sense for Israel to make that strategic sense for Israel to make that strategic sense for Israel to make that to take that risk. to take that risk. to take that risk. Does that I mean Israel is one of the Does that I mean Israel is one of the Does that I mean Israel is one of the countries that takes the most dramatic countries that takes the most dramatic countries that takes the most dramatic risks in the world but for this for risks in the world but for this for risks in the world but for this for Qatar for Bahrain for for any country in Qatar for Bahrain for for any country in Qatar for Bahrain for for any country in the Khi Arab world why right now all the the Khi Arab world why right now all the the Khi Arab world why right now all the momentum is in favor of Israel in the momentum is in favor of Israel in the momentum is in favor of Israel in the Khi world let let Israel take the Khi world let let Israel take the Khi world let let Israel take the bullets and take the damage and put bullets and take the damage and put bullets and take the damage and put themselves in harm's way to neutralize themselves in harm's way to neutralize themselves in harm's way to neutralize Iran which has long posed a threat to Iran which has long posed a threat to Iran which has long posed a threat to the Khi Arab countries. So Tucker the Khi Arab countries. So Tucker the Khi Arab countries. So Tucker doesn't make any sense, but he's doesn't make any sense, but he's doesn't make any sense, but he's pitching. He's shaping his narrative to pitching. He's shaping his narrative to pitching. He's shaping his narrative to a very specific niche that already a very specific niche that already a very specific niche that already believes in something that doesn't make believes in something that doesn't make believes in something that doesn't make sense. sense. sense. >> Do you pay attention to Tucker? >> Do you pay attention to Tucker? >> Do you pay attention to Tucker? >> There are certain influencers out there >> There are certain influencers out there >> There are certain influencers out there that I'm just really sad have influence that I'm just really sad have influence that I'm just really sad have influence and Tucker Carlson is one of them. and Tucker Carlson is one of them. and Tucker Carlson is one of them. >> Do you think he's making this stuff up? >> Do you think he's making this stuff up? >> Do you think he's making this stuff up? Does he believe this stuff and is just Does he believe this stuff and is just Does he believe this stuff and is just saying it and he's misreading the world saying it and he's misreading the world saying it and he's misreading the world or or or >> that's I I hope that his journalistic >> that's I I hope that his journalistic >> that's I I hope that his journalistic career would give him enough moral career would give him enough moral career would give him enough moral guidance and intellectual honesty to not guidance and intellectual honesty to not guidance and intellectual honesty to not just parrot [ __ ] for reaction or for a just parrot [ __ ] for reaction or for a just parrot [ __ ] for reaction or for a paycheck. I would hope. But I don't know paycheck. I would hope. But I don't know paycheck. I would hope. But I don't know Tucker's life. Maybe that's exactly what Tucker's life. Maybe that's exactly what Tucker's life. Maybe that's exactly what he's doing. Maybe there's maybe there's he's doing. Maybe there's maybe there's he's doing. Maybe there's maybe there's some other agenda. Maybe he has gone off some other agenda. Maybe he has gone off some other agenda. Maybe he has gone off the deep end. people change. Who knows? the deep end. people change. Who knows? the deep end. people change. Who knows? But the vast majority of what I hear But the vast majority of what I hear But the vast majority of what I hear from Tucker Carlson, going all the way from Tucker Carlson, going all the way from Tucker Carlson, going all the way back to his interview with Putin, it back to his interview with Putin, it back to his interview with Putin, it does not strike me as a professional does not strike me as a professional does not strike me as a professional interview or professional journalist, interview or professional journalist, interview or professional journalist, anybody with any kind of ethical anybody with any kind of ethical anybody with any kind of ethical guidelines for factually reporting guidelines for factually reporting guidelines for factually reporting information or vetting yourself before information or vetting yourself before information or vetting yourself before you share an opinion. It's a it's a you share an opinion. It's a it's a you share an opinion. It's a it's a shame. It's a shame because I think he shame. It's a shame because I think he shame. It's a shame because I think he could have been something so much bigger could have been something so much bigger could have been something so much bigger and better than he is. But maybe he's and better than he is. But maybe he's and better than he is. But maybe he's counting his victory in dollar signs and counting his victory in dollar signs and counting his victory in dollar signs and and likes from some subset of crazies. I and likes from some subset of crazies. I and likes from some subset of crazies. I don't know. don't know. don't know. >> Where do you see the war going from >> Where do you see the war going from >> Where do you see the war going from here? Like, do you think there's going here? Like, do you think there's going here? Like, do you think there's going to be boots on the ground? Is that a red to be boots on the ground? Is that a red to be boots on the ground? Is that a red line where Trump would rather see a burn line where Trump would rather see a burn line where Trump would rather see a burn than do that? Like, where where do we than do that? Like, where where do we than do that? Like, where where do we go? go? go? >> I really like the idea of always >> I really like the idea of always >> I really like the idea of always exercising an economic outlook on what's exercising an economic outlook on what's exercising an economic outlook on what's going on in Iran. And And when I ask going on in Iran. And And when I ask going on in Iran. And And when I ask myself, was it was was attacking Iran myself, was it was was attacking Iran myself, was it was was attacking Iran good for America? I feel like you made a good for America? I feel like you made a good for America? I feel like you made a pretty good case earlier that it was pretty good case earlier that it was pretty good case earlier that it was good for America economically speaking, good for America economically speaking, good for America economically speaking, if it pays out the way we hope for it to if it pays out the way we hope for it to if it pays out the way we hope for it to pay out. meaning stability in the pay out. meaning stability in the pay out. meaning stability in the Straits of Hormuz and you know a less Straits of Hormuz and you know a less Straits of Hormuz and you know a less radicalized government and and uh radicalized government and and uh radicalized government and and uh reinvestment in the United States coming reinvestment in the United States coming reinvestment in the United States coming from the Middle East. If if big bold from the Middle East. If if big bold from the Middle East. If if big bold giant if all of that happens, boom, it giant if all of that happens, boom, it giant if all of that happens, boom, it was good for America. But is it good for was good for America. But is it good for was good for America. But is it good for America right now? Could the same America right now? Could the same America right now? Could the same benefit have been gained six months down benefit have been gained six months down benefit have been gained six months down the road, two weeks down the road, two the road, two weeks down the road, two the road, two weeks down the road, two years ago? One of the the narratives years ago? One of the the narratives years ago? One of the the narratives that we're being fed is that this was that we're being fed is that this was that we're being fed is that this was the last best chance. That's what Trump the last best chance. That's what Trump the last best chance. That's what Trump just said, right? This was the last best just said, right? This was the last best just said, right? This was the last best chance to take down Iran. chance to take down Iran. chance to take down Iran. I don't see the evidence to say that I don't see the evidence to say that I don't see the evidence to say that this was the last best chance. Not the this was the last best chance. Not the this was the last best chance. Not the last chance or the best chance. last chance or the best chance. last chance or the best chance. >> Um, and to your point about the targets >> Um, and to your point about the targets >> Um, and to your point about the targets that were selected and we're completely that were selected and we're completely that were selected and we're completely glossing over the process. We Israel, we glossing over the process. We Israel, we glossing over the process. We Israel, we supported Israel in the known supported Israel in the known supported Israel in the known assassination of a head of state and assassination of a head of state and assassination of a head of state and accepted the collateral damage of accepted the collateral damage of accepted the collateral damage of multiple civilians that had nothing to multiple civilians that had nothing to multiple civilians that had nothing to do with it. His his wife being one of do with it. His his wife being one of do with it. His his wife being one of them, his children being another one. We them, his children being another one. We them, his children being another one. We and we we supported it with our and we we supported it with our and we we supported it with our resources, our tax dollars, our military resources, our tax dollars, our military resources, our tax dollars, our military hardware, even though we know that it is hardware, even though we know that it is hardware, even though we know that it is not only a deviation from international not only a deviation from international not only a deviation from international norms, but it is against international norms, but it is against international norms, but it is against international law, part of the law that we put in law, part of the law that we put in law, part of the law that we put in place to attack a head of state. That's place to attack a head of state. That's place to attack a head of state. That's not supposed to. We don't. The United not supposed to. We don't. The United not supposed to. We don't. The United States as a policy from his from back States as a policy from his from back States as a policy from his from back before I joined CIA does not assassinate before I joined CIA does not assassinate before I joined CIA does not assassinate world leaders. And even now, we still world leaders. And even now, we still world leaders. And even now, we still have the plausible deniability to say, have the plausible deniability to say, have the plausible deniability to say, well, we didn't do it. Israel did it. We well, we didn't do it. Israel did it. We well, we didn't do it. Israel did it. We just kind of saw it happen. We just gave just kind of saw it happen. We just gave just kind of saw it happen. We just gave them the whatever intel it was that them the whatever intel it was that them the whatever intel it was that helped validate their target set for helped validate their target set for helped validate their target set for that day. But I think Trump wants the that day. But I think Trump wants the that day. But I think Trump wants the credit for killing him. He has said he credit for killing him. He has said he credit for killing him. He has said he tried to take me out twice. Looks like I tried to take me out twice. Looks like I tried to take me out twice. Looks like I got him first. I guess I'm even creating got him first. I guess I'm even creating got him first. I guess I'm even creating jobs in Iran. I mean, it's wild. I jobs in Iran. I mean, it's wild. I jobs in Iran. I mean, it's wild. I agree. Assuming these are all actual agree. Assuming these are all actual agree. Assuming these are all actual statements is I did not hear them. I saw statements is I did not hear them. I saw statements is I did not hear them. I saw them printed, but them printed, but them printed, but >> but it's it's such a huge deviation from >> but it's it's such a huge deviation from >> but it's it's such a huge deviation from anything that we've ever said. anything that we've ever said. anything that we've ever said. >> It's a deviation from what our >> It's a deviation from what our >> It's a deviation from what our >> bombing people like supposedly Obama was >> bombing people like supposedly Obama was >> bombing people like supposedly Obama was bombing without congressional approval. bombing without congressional approval. bombing without congressional approval. >> Is Trump really the first to do it or >> Is Trump really the first to do it or >> Is Trump really the first to do it or >> There's two titles that kind of dictate >> There's two titles that kind of dictate >> There's two titles that kind of dictate combat. There's title 10 and title 50. combat. There's title 10 and title 50. combat. There's title 10 and title 50. Tell me if you're if I'm boring you. Tell me if you're if I'm boring you. Tell me if you're if I'm boring you. >> No. at all. >> No. at all. >> No. at all. >> Title 10 is what gives the United States >> Title 10 is what gives the United States >> Title 10 is what gives the United States military the ability to carry out military the ability to carry out military the ability to carry out wartime operations. Title 50 is what wartime operations. Title 50 is what wartime operations. Title 50 is what gives the CIA the opportunity to carry gives the CIA the opportunity to carry gives the CIA the opportunity to carry out covert action operations using out covert action operations using out covert action operations using whatever resources the executive chooses whatever resources the executive chooses whatever resources the executive chooses to assign. So, Title 50 coverage is to assign. So, Title 50 coverage is to assign. So, Title 50 coverage is what's required by law for covert what's required by law for covert what's required by law for covert action. So, when CIA is called in to action. So, when CIA is called in to action. So, when CIA is called in to take out any kind of operation, it's a take out any kind of operation, it's a take out any kind of operation, it's a covert action operation and they can covert action operation and they can covert action operation and they can pull resources from anywhere in the US pull resources from anywhere in the US pull resources from anywhere in the US inventory. It can pull military members, inventory. It can pull military members, inventory. It can pull military members, it can pull weapons, it can pull planes, it can pull weapons, it can pull planes, it can pull weapons, it can pull planes, it can pull satellites, it can pull it can pull satellites, it can pull it can pull satellites, it can pull whatever and put them all under this whatever and put them all under this whatever and put them all under this convenient little package called title convenient little package called title convenient little package called title title 50 that gives them the ability to title 50 that gives them the ability to title 50 that gives them the ability to do it all as covert action which sits do it all as covert action which sits do it all as covert action which sits under the office of the president sole under the office of the president sole under the office of the president sole discretionary decision-making. Right? discretionary decision-making. Right? discretionary decision-making. Right? So what Obama did was set a precedent So what Obama did was set a precedent So what Obama did was set a precedent for Title 50 use and he used that for Title 50 use and he used that for Title 50 use and he used that specifically to target leaders of specifically to target leaders of specifically to target leaders of terrorist organizations, not heads of terrorist organizations, not heads of terrorist organizations, not heads of state. Right? Even targeting Osama bin state. Right? Even targeting Osama bin state. Right? Even targeting Osama bin Laden wasn't a head of state. He was the Laden wasn't a head of state. He was the Laden wasn't a head of state. He was the leader of an ideological leader of an ideological leader of an ideological um non-state actor, but he didn't use it um non-state actor, but he didn't use it um non-state actor, but he didn't use it to target presidents, prime ministers, to target presidents, prime ministers, to target presidents, prime ministers, kings. Those are all heads of state. But kings. Those are all heads of state. But kings. Those are all heads of state. But it did create this it did create this it did create this this capacity, this tolerance for this capacity, this tolerance for this capacity, this tolerance for executive order after executive order executive order after executive order executive order after executive order and secret mission after secret mission and secret mission after secret mission and secret mission after secret mission that doesn't get disclosed to the that doesn't get disclosed to the that doesn't get disclosed to the American public until we have this the American public until we have this the American public until we have this the ultimate takeown of Osama bin Laden in ultimate takeown of Osama bin Laden in ultimate takeown of Osama bin Laden in 2011 that was adopted by Trump in 2016. 2011 that was adopted by Trump in 2016. 2011 that was adopted by Trump in 2016. difference was that Donald Trump when he difference was that Donald Trump when he difference was that Donald Trump when he took over there was all the Russian took over there was all the Russian took over there was all the Russian collusion stuff and CIA didn't like collusion stuff and CIA didn't like collusion stuff and CIA didn't like their new president and he didn't like their new president and he didn't like their new president and he didn't like CIA so he shuttered CIA's budget and CIA so he shuttered CIA's budget and CIA so he shuttered CIA's budget and huge amounts of people started quitting huge amounts of people started quitting huge amounts of people started quitting CIA and CIA attritted down to this CIA and CIA attritted down to this CIA and CIA attritted down to this skeleton of a of a group where all the skeleton of a of a group where all the skeleton of a of a group where all the talent really either left or tried to talent really either left or tried to talent really either left or tried to leave and all that was left behind were leave and all that was left behind were leave and all that was left behind were the people trying to scrape by their the people trying to scrape by their the people trying to scrape by their retirement or or ideologically aligned retirement or or ideologically aligned retirement or or ideologically aligned with Donald Trump at the time but that with Donald Trump at the time but that with Donald Trump at the time but that was CIA from 2016 to 2020. And then was CIA from 2016 to 2020. And then was CIA from 2016 to 2020. And then Biden came in. Biden had to rebuild CIA Biden came in. Biden had to rebuild CIA Biden came in. Biden had to rebuild CIA the the best that he could and tried to the the best that he could and tried to the the best that he could and tried to make them ideologically aligned with his make them ideologically aligned with his make them ideologically aligned with his interest, which is why you started to interest, which is why you started to interest, which is why you started to see all the DEI stuff. And for anybody see all the DEI stuff. And for anybody see all the DEI stuff. And for anybody who who tried to look at applying or who who tried to look at applying or who who tried to look at applying or working for CA between 2020 and 2024, working for CA between 2020 and 2024, working for CA between 2020 and 2024, you probably only saw handicapped you probably only saw handicapped you probably only saw handicapped advertisements and gay LGBT LGBTQ advertisements and gay LGBT LGBTQ advertisements and gay LGBT LGBTQ flags in every assign in every flags in every assign in every flags in every assign in every advertisement for CIA. That's they were advertisement for CIA. That's they were advertisement for CIA. That's they were looking for diversity and inclusion and looking for diversity and inclusion and looking for diversity and inclusion and that was the goal. Um and that's what it that was the goal. Um and that's what it that was the goal. Um and that's what it looked like from 2020 to 2024. And then looked like from 2020 to 2024. And then looked like from 2020 to 2024. And then Trump takes office again. Now he Trump takes office again. Now he Trump takes office again. Now he appoints Radcliffe who you never hear appoints Radcliffe who you never hear appoints Radcliffe who you never hear about because he doesn't really do about because he doesn't really do about because he doesn't really do anything. And somehow CIA is super anything. And somehow CIA is super anything. And somehow CIA is super capable, super effective, super close to capable, super effective, super close to capable, super effective, super close to Donald Trump. I don't buy that. What I Donald Trump. I don't buy that. What I Donald Trump. I don't buy that. What I think is happening is CIA is being used think is happening is CIA is being used think is happening is CIA is being used as a shield. Their name is being used as as a shield. Their name is being used as as a shield. Their name is being used as a shield for other capabilities that a shield for other capabilities that a shield for other capabilities that Donald Trump can actually leverage. Donald Trump can actually leverage. Donald Trump can actually leverage. >> Say more. >> Say more. >> Say more. >> Because the central intelligence agency >> Because the central intelligence agency >> Because the central intelligence agency by design in the infrastructure of by design in the infrastructure of by design in the infrastructure of national intelligence is a shield. It's national intelligence is a shield. It's national intelligence is a shield. It's the central hub. Meaning all other the central hub. Meaning all other the central hub. Meaning all other intelligence collected by the United intelligence collected by the United intelligence collected by the United States must go through the CIA to be States must go through the CIA to be States must go through the CIA to be processed into a final product to be processed into a final product to be processed into a final product to be delivered to the president. So in that delivered to the president. So in that delivered to the president. So in that way all intelligence way all intelligence way all intelligence can be credited to CIA and CIA can mask can be credited to CIA and CIA can mask can be credited to CIA and CIA can mask the true source of all intelligence that the true source of all intelligence that the true source of all intelligence that comes in and that includes foreign comes in and that includes foreign comes in and that includes foreign intelligence. So when Colombia or Mexico intelligence. So when Colombia or Mexico intelligence. So when Colombia or Mexico or Israel or Ghana when they share an or Israel or Ghana when they share an or Israel or Ghana when they share an intelligence report with the United intelligence report with the United intelligence report with the United States, they share it with the CIA and States, they share it with the CIA and States, they share it with the CIA and CIA then has to go through the process CIA then has to go through the process CIA then has to go through the process of reviewing it, processing it, of reviewing it, processing it, of reviewing it, processing it, digesting it, and turning it into a digesting it, and turning it into a digesting it, and turning it into a product. Which means it's not the product. Which means it's not the product. Which means it's not the Ganaans that get credit for the report. Ganaans that get credit for the report. Ganaans that get credit for the report. It's CIA that gets credit for the It's CIA that gets credit for the It's CIA that gets credit for the report. report. report. >> That's why how did we get Venezuela CIA >> That's why how did we get Venezuela CIA >> That's why how did we get Venezuela CIA intel? How do we get how did Mexico uh intel? How do we get how did Mexico uh intel? How do we get how did Mexico uh kill the head of the new Hiliscoco kill the head of the new Hiliscoco kill the head of the new Hiliscoco generation? CIA intelligence. And how do generation? CIA intelligence. And how do generation? CIA intelligence. And how do we get into Iran and find the leaders? we get into Iran and find the leaders? we get into Iran and find the leaders? CIA intelligence. It wasn't CIA. It was CIA intelligence. It wasn't CIA. It was CIA intelligence. It wasn't CIA. It was somebody else filtering their somebody else filtering their somebody else filtering their information through the bureaucratic information through the bureaucratic information through the bureaucratic engine of CIA. And then CIA gets the engine of CIA. And then CIA gets the engine of CIA. And then CIA gets the credit. credit. credit. >> Do you have a sense of who it actually >> Do you have a sense of who it actually >> Do you have a sense of who it actually is? is? is? >> Yes and no. Um for example, with Iran, >> Yes and no. Um for example, with Iran, >> Yes and no. Um for example, with Iran, Iran's a great example because people Iran's a great example because people Iran's a great example because people want to accuse Israel. Oh, Israel's the want to accuse Israel. Oh, Israel's the want to accuse Israel. Oh, Israel's the puppet master. Israel's controlling puppet master. Israel's controlling puppet master. Israel's controlling everything. More likely, Israel had the everything. More likely, Israel had the everything. More likely, Israel had the dominant information of Iran at the time dominant information of Iran at the time dominant information of Iran at the time because Iran has been a has been a um because Iran has been a has been a um because Iran has been a has been a um existential threat to Israel for existential threat to Israel for existential threat to Israel for decades. So, Israel has the most decades. So, Israel has the most decades. So, Israel has the most powerful human networks in Iran. Israel powerful human networks in Iran. Israel powerful human networks in Iran. Israel was the one that went in in June and was the one that went in in June and was the one that went in in June and wiped out their air defense system. wiped out their air defense system. wiped out their air defense system. Like, Israel has Iran on lockdown Like, Israel has Iran on lockdown Like, Israel has Iran on lockdown intelligence- wise. United States intelligence- wise. United States intelligence- wise. United States doesn't. The United States has struggled doesn't. The United States has struggled doesn't. The United States has struggled with Iran since before I even joined with Iran since before I even joined with Iran since before I even joined CIA. CIA. CIA. >> They've never had great access into >> They've never had great access into >> They've never had great access into >> just don't get the culture or >> just don't get the culture or >> just don't get the culture or >> we don't get the culture. It's low on >> we don't get the culture. It's low on >> we don't get the culture. It's low on our priority list. If you recall, I I our priority list. If you recall, I I our priority list. If you recall, I I said where did Iran land on either the said where did Iran land on either the said where did Iran land on either the ODNI or the Department of War or the ODNI or the Department of War or the ODNI or the Department of War or the White House priority list? It wasn't White House priority list? It wasn't White House priority list? It wasn't even on the list. Right? The country is even on the list. Right? The country is even on the list. Right? The country is named, but in terms of the priorities, named, but in terms of the priorities, named, but in terms of the priorities, it's not listed. So decades of investing it's not listed. So decades of investing it's not listed. So decades of investing so little into building an intelligence so little into building an intelligence so little into building an intelligence network in Iran means that you're not network in Iran means that you're not network in Iran means that you're not going to have any information on Iran. going to have any information on Iran. going to have any information on Iran. And that's why we've always relied on And that's why we've always relied on And that's why we've always relied on Israel to be the foundation for that Israel to be the foundation for that Israel to be the foundation for that meaningful intelligence on Iran. But meaningful intelligence on Iran. But meaningful intelligence on Iran. But Israel chooses what to share. Whenever Israel chooses what to share. Whenever Israel chooses what to share. Whenever you control the intelligence and you you control the intelligence and you you control the intelligence and you share it with a partner, you choose what share it with a partner, you choose what share it with a partner, you choose what to share and what to keep back. So to to share and what to keep back. So to to share and what to keep back. So to offset the fact that Israel might offset the fact that Israel might offset the fact that Israel might manipulate us, we also look to Jordan manipulate us, we also look to Jordan manipulate us, we also look to Jordan and Saudi Arabia and UAE to share their and Saudi Arabia and UAE to share their and Saudi Arabia and UAE to share their intelligence on Iran. And when messages intelligence on Iran. And when messages intelligence on Iran. And when messages corroborate, we believe that it's true. corroborate, we believe that it's true. corroborate, we believe that it's true. And when messages conflict, then we try And when messages conflict, then we try And when messages conflict, then we try to find more information. to find more information. to find more information. So the attack, the timing, the So the attack, the timing, the So the attack, the timing, the effectiveness, the choice, the decision effectiveness, the choice, the decision effectiveness, the choice, the decision to go into Iran is largely being to go into Iran is largely being to go into Iran is largely being credited to CIA intelligence, which credited to CIA intelligence, which credited to CIA intelligence, which really means somebody else most likely really means somebody else most likely really means somebody else most likely gave that intelligence to CIA and gave that intelligence to CIA and gave that intelligence to CIA and selected which intelligence they were selected which intelligence they were selected which intelligence they were going to share. I think Israel was going to share. I think Israel was going to share. I think Israel was probably 80% of that. Saudi Arabia, UAE probably 80% of that. Saudi Arabia, UAE probably 80% of that. Saudi Arabia, UAE was probably five-ish% of that. Jordan was probably five-ish% of that. Jordan was probably five-ish% of that. Jordan was the other fiveish percent. Maybe the was the other fiveish percent. Maybe the was the other fiveish percent. Maybe the maybe the United States did offer up um maybe the United States did offer up um maybe the United States did offer up um satellite NSA signal intelligence satellite NSA signal intelligence satellite NSA signal intelligence collection of specific cell phone collection of specific cell phone collection of specific cell phone indicators that Israel told us to watch, indicators that Israel told us to watch, indicators that Israel told us to watch, but I don't think that we had any idea but I don't think that we had any idea but I don't think that we had any idea on our own. And the same thing is true on our own. And the same thing is true on our own. And the same thing is true in Venezuela. I don't believe we had in Venezuela. I don't believe we had in Venezuela. I don't believe we had much. Venezuela's been a black box to us much. Venezuela's been a black box to us much. Venezuela's been a black box to us since before I was even at CIA. So, let since before I was even at CIA. So, let since before I was even at CIA. So, let alone after I left CIA, after it had its alone after I left CIA, after it had its alone after I left CIA, after it had its fallout with with Donald Trump, after it fallout with with Donald Trump, after it fallout with with Donald Trump, after it went through its struggling hiring went through its struggling hiring went through its struggling hiring process in the Biden administration, you process in the Biden administration, you process in the Biden administration, you think that led to a very capable, think that led to a very capable, think that led to a very capable, well-informed CIA? No. I think CIA found well-informed CIA? No. I think CIA found well-informed CIA? No. I think CIA found a way to partner with corporate with a way to partner with corporate with a way to partner with corporate with corporate private intelligence corporate private intelligence corporate private intelligence organizations with regional partners and organizations with regional partners and organizations with regional partners and coalate their intelligence use that to coalate their intelligence use that to coalate their intelligence use that to accommodate or accentuate some of our accommodate or accentuate some of our accommodate or accentuate some of our resources at NSA or NRO and we were able resources at NSA or NRO and we were able resources at NSA or NRO and we were able to find the right time and the right to find the right time and the right to find the right time and the right place to give the Mexicans hit place to give the Mexicans hit place to give the Mexicans hit instructions and to take down Maduro. instructions and to take down Maduro. instructions and to take down Maduro. >> What do you think the role of AI and >> What do you think the role of AI and >> What do you think the role of AI and Palunteer are in all of this? So, I Palunteer are in all of this? So, I Palunteer are in all of this? So, I can't talk about Palunteer, which is can't talk about Palunteer, which is can't talk about Palunteer, which is probably probably probably telling for you. So, I'm not gonna I'm telling for you. So, I'm not gonna I'm telling for you. So, I'm not gonna I'm not going to discuss Palanteer not going to discuss Palanteer not going to discuss Palanteer >> Sips Tall. But I will say this, when I joined CI in But I will say this, when I joined CI in 2007, we were already using AI. We were 2007, we were already using AI. We were 2007, we were already using AI. We were using AI to process mass uh uh big data using AI to process mass uh uh big data using AI to process mass uh uh big data sets and turn them into meaningful sets and turn them into meaningful sets and turn them into meaningful foundational foundational foundational um targeting data sets that we could um targeting data sets that we could um targeting data sets that we could then put human brains around to try to then put human brains around to try to then put human brains around to try to make operational decisions around. make operational decisions around. make operational decisions around. Right? So it was really being used as Right? So it was really being used as Right? So it was really being used as kind of an an archival organizational kind of an an archival organizational kind of an an archival organizational processing um tool. But that was before processing um tool. But that was before processing um tool. But that was before AI was even a an idea really in everyday AI was even a an idea really in everyday AI was even a an idea really in everyday life. So as AI has grown more and more life. So as AI has grown more and more life. So as AI has grown more and more powerful, I am certain that CIA and powerful, I am certain that CIA and powerful, I am certain that CIA and other intelligence organizations have other intelligence organizations have other intelligence organizations have become more and more adept at using it, become more and more adept at using it, become more and more adept at using it, DoD is always one of the heaviest or the DoD is always one of the heaviest or the DoD is always one of the heaviest or the national security infrastructure is national security infrastructure is national security infrastructure is always one of the heaviest investors in always one of the heaviest investors in always one of the heaviest investors in a new technology. a new technology. a new technology. So the future of everything, So the future of everything, So the future of everything, intelligence, combat, ground force, intelligence, combat, ground force, intelligence, combat, ground force, battlefield, tactics, all of it hinges battlefield, tactics, all of it hinges battlefield, tactics, all of it hinges heavily on who has the advantage in heavily on who has the advantage in heavily on who has the advantage in artificial intelligence. artificial intelligence. artificial intelligence. And there's a race. And again, when you And there's a race. And again, when you And there's a race. And again, when you when I look at the capitalist values of when I look at the capitalist values of when I look at the capitalist values of the United States against the democratic the United States against the democratic the United States against the democratic values of the United States, the values of the United States, the values of the United States, the collective democratic values would say collective democratic values would say collective democratic values would say be careful with this technology. be careful with this technology. be careful with this technology. But the capitalist I must win says my But the capitalist I must win says my But the capitalist I must win says my competition isn't being careful with competition isn't being careful with competition isn't being careful with this technology. So why should I be this technology. So why should I be this technology. So why should I be careful with this technology? And of careful with this technology? And of careful with this technology? And of course, our biggest competition is course, our biggest competition is course, our biggest competition is China. And China is racing at full speed China. And China is racing at full speed China. And China is racing at full speed to figure out AI and learn how to to figure out AI and learn how to to figure out AI and learn how to integrate it and learn how to take the integrate it and learn how to take the integrate it and learn how to take the rails off and let it teach itself and rails off and let it teach itself and rails off and let it teach itself and all that [ __ ] So that means we have to all that [ __ ] So that means we have to all that [ __ ] So that means we have to do the same thing according to our do the same thing according to our do the same thing according to our policy makers. And and you can't argue policy makers. And and you can't argue policy makers. And and you can't argue with that to a certain extent. You can't with that to a certain extent. You can't with that to a certain extent. You can't argue with it because if whatever danger argue with it because if whatever danger argue with it because if whatever danger is unlocked with AI is going to be is unlocked with AI is going to be is unlocked with AI is going to be unlocked whether it's unlocked by a red, unlocked whether it's unlocked by a red, unlocked whether it's unlocked by a red, white, and blue flag or a red and yellow white, and blue flag or a red and yellow white, and blue flag or a red and yellow flag like the AI is not going to care flag like the AI is not going to care flag like the AI is not going to care about national boundaries like we do. about national boundaries like we do. about national boundaries like we do. Now, what do you think about um Now, what do you think about um Now, what do you think about um Anthropic with Claude refusing to take Anthropic with Claude refusing to take Anthropic with Claude refusing to take the guard rails off? the guard rails off? the guard rails off? >> I think that that was a responsible >> I think that that was a responsible >> I think that that was a responsible decision. And even now, as I understand decision. And even now, as I understand decision. And even now, as I understand it, OpenAI is saying that they will it, OpenAI is saying that they will it, OpenAI is saying that they will still that that the contract that they still that that the contract that they still that that the contract that they signed is really very similar to the signed is really very similar to the signed is really very similar to the demands that Anthropic asked for, but demands that Anthropic asked for, but demands that Anthropic asked for, but the the US administration had already the the US administration had already the the US administration had already shut down one deal, so they had to sign shut down one deal, so they had to sign shut down one deal, so they had to sign another deal. and that OpenAI promises another deal. and that OpenAI promises another deal. and that OpenAI promises to maintain the guard rails that are to maintain the guard rails that are to maintain the guard rails that are dictated in their contract. So dictated in their contract. So dictated in their contract. So the the the >> So wait, OpenAI is saying we're not >> So wait, OpenAI is saying we're not >> So wait, OpenAI is saying we're not acquiescing either. acquiescing either. acquiescing either. >> Correct. My understanding is Open Eye is >> Correct. My understanding is Open Eye is >> Correct. My understanding is Open Eye is saying we are basically signing the same saying we are basically signing the same saying we are basically signing the same deal that Anthropic asked for. I don't deal that Anthropic asked for. I don't deal that Anthropic asked for. I don't know why people are accusing us of of know why people are accusing us of of know why people are accusing us of of sacrificing everything, of giving up all sacrificing everything, of giving up all sacrificing everything, of giving up all of our moral uh high ground. And not of our moral uh high ground. And not of our moral uh high ground. And not only are we keeping these things in the only are we keeping these things in the only are we keeping these things in the contract, but we've already said in the contract, but we've already said in the contract, but we've already said in the contract we're going to enforce this as contract we're going to enforce this as contract we're going to enforce this as well. It's all promises and bluster. well. It's all promises and bluster. well. It's all promises and bluster. We'll see how it actually plays out. But We'll see how it actually plays out. But We'll see how it actually plays out. But that's my understanding of the situation that's my understanding of the situation that's my understanding of the situation and I could be reading the wrong and I could be reading the wrong and I could be reading the wrong article, misinformed or anything else. article, misinformed or anything else. article, misinformed or anything else. >> It's very interesting. I am certainly >> It's very interesting. I am certainly >> It's very interesting. I am certainly making assumptions as I look at the making assumptions as I look at the making assumptions as I look at the situation. But yes, I just assumed that situation. But yes, I just assumed that situation. But yes, I just assumed that the reason that they went with AI was the reason that they went with AI was the reason that they went with AI was that AI uh open AI was not putting the that AI uh open AI was not putting the that AI uh open AI was not putting the same restrictions on them. Otherwise, same restrictions on them. Otherwise, same restrictions on them. Otherwise, why would you change? I mean, I guess it why would you change? I mean, I guess it why would you change? I mean, I guess it could just be the world's dumbest move. could just be the world's dumbest move. could just be the world's dumbest move. Um, but that is very surprising if they Um, but that is very surprising if they Um, but that is very surprising if they are going to are going to are going to >> and the world's dumbest move is becoming >> and the world's dumbest move is becoming >> and the world's dumbest move is becoming less surprising when it comes to the less surprising when it comes to the less surprising when it comes to the decisions that our administration makes. decisions that our administration makes. decisions that our administration makes. >> We'll get back to the show in a moment, >> We'll get back to the show in a moment, >> We'll get back to the show in a moment, but first, let's talk about the unfair but first, let's talk about the unfair but first, let's talk about the unfair advantage most entrepreneurs don't even advantage most entrepreneurs don't even advantage most entrepreneurs don't even know that they have access to. 10 years know that they have access to. 10 years know that they have access to. 10 years ago, if you wanted to compete with the ago, if you wanted to compete with the ago, if you wanted to compete with the big brands, you needed their big budget. big brands, you needed their big budget. big brands, you needed their big budget. 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I do not clear. This is just my opinion. I do not clear. This is just my opinion. I do not know anything. I'm not alleging. Uh but know anything. I'm not alleging. Uh but know anything. I'm not alleging. Uh but my take would go something like this. my take would go something like this. my take would go something like this. I'm Sam Alman. I am trying to do much I'm Sam Alman. I am trying to do much I'm Sam Alman. I am trying to do much bigger deals Stargate and otherwise with bigger deals Stargate and otherwise with bigger deals Stargate and otherwise with the US government. I am in extreme the US government. I am in extreme the US government. I am in extreme duress as a builder. Uh it is growing duress as a builder. Uh it is growing duress as a builder. Uh it is growing harder for me to raise capital though I harder for me to raise capital though I harder for me to raise capital though I think he denies that. But that's still, think he denies that. But that's still, think he denies that. But that's still, hey, me as an outsider, I um try to see hey, me as an outsider, I um try to see hey, me as an outsider, I um try to see through the propaganda. So, I think he's through the propaganda. So, I think he's through the propaganda. So, I think he's having a harder time. The narrative is having a harder time. The narrative is having a harder time. The narrative is starting to get shaky in the public's starting to get shaky in the public's starting to get shaky in the public's mind. More people are using Claude now mind. More people are using Claude now mind. More people are using Claude now than ever before. Um, when they turn than ever before. Um, when they turn than ever before. Um, when they turn down the government, their downloads down the government, their downloads down the government, their downloads skyrocketed. Now, whether that energy skyrocketed. Now, whether that energy skyrocketed. Now, whether that energy will stay or not is another question. will stay or not is another question. will stay or not is another question. But right now, I'd say Claude is the But right now, I'd say Claude is the But right now, I'd say Claude is the better AI. So, if I'm Sam and I'm having better AI. So, if I'm Sam and I'm having better AI. So, if I'm Sam and I'm having that problem and I know that government that problem and I know that government that problem and I know that government contracts are a way through this very contracts are a way through this very contracts are a way through this very difficult time, um, I'm going to make difficult time, um, I'm going to make difficult time, um, I'm going to make one public statement versus what I wink one public statement versus what I wink one public statement versus what I wink wink nudge nudge the administration to wink nudge nudge the administration to wink nudge nudge the administration to let them know like, listen, we're going let them know like, listen, we're going let them know like, listen, we're going to be easier, like we're the same as the to be easier, like we're the same as the to be easier, like we're the same as the other guy, but don't worry, we're going other guy, but don't worry, we're going other guy, but don't worry, we're going to be a little easier. You know, one of to be a little easier. You know, one of to be a little easier. You know, one of those. So, again, I don't have insider those. So, again, I don't have insider those. So, again, I don't have insider information. I'm just saying I could see information. I'm just saying I could see information. I'm just saying I could see something like that being the case. Um, something like that being the case. Um, something like that being the case. Um, so it would be a little strange for I so it would be a little strange for I so it would be a little strange for I while I understand the point that while I understand the point that while I understand the point that incompetence is everywhere and I incompetence is everywhere and I incompetence is everywhere and I certainly don't um attribute to the certainly don't um attribute to the certainly don't um attribute to the Trump administration 40 chess or Trump administration 40 chess or Trump administration 40 chess or anything like that. But um it seems anything like that. But um it seems anything like that. But um it seems given he is a person who pursues given he is a person who pursues given he is a person who pursues leverage with everything he has um I leverage with everything he has um I leverage with everything he has um I would be very shocked if he doesn't feel would be very shocked if he doesn't feel would be very shocked if he doesn't feel he has more leverage with OpenAI. Maybe he has more leverage with OpenAI. Maybe he has more leverage with OpenAI. Maybe he'll end up being wrong, but I have to he'll end up being wrong, but I have to he'll end up being wrong, but I have to imagine he at least believes that he has imagine he at least believes that he has imagine he at least believes that he has more leverage. more leverage. more leverage. >> I agree with that. I agree that that the >> I agree with that. I agree that that the >> I agree with that. I agree that that the government is very very good, and here's government is very very good, and here's government is very very good, and here's a little bit of insider knowledge. The a little bit of insider knowledge. The a little bit of insider knowledge. The government is very, very good at getting government is very, very good at getting government is very, very good at getting contractors in on a contract on a contractors in on a contract on a contractors in on a contract on a 10-year, 15 year, 20-year deal, whatever 10-year, 15 year, 20-year deal, whatever 10-year, 15 year, 20-year deal, whatever it might be. And then structuring that it might be. And then structuring that it might be. And then structuring that deal so that the cash flow is very deal so that the cash flow is very deal so that the cash flow is very little at the front and it's more so at little at the front and it's more so at little at the front and it's more so at the end, very similar to a home the end, very similar to a home the end, very similar to a home mortgage. And then having what we call mortgage. And then having what we call mortgage. And then having what we call scope creep, which is a shifting in scope creep, which is a shifting in scope creep, which is a shifting in requirements and a shifting in requirements and a shifting in requirements and a shifting in expectations that happens month after expectations that happens month after expectations that happens month after month, quarter after quarter, year after month, quarter after quarter, year after month, quarter after quarter, year after year. And the contractor who's signed year. And the contractor who's signed year. And the contractor who's signed the 10-year contract, the 12-ear the 10-year contract, the 12-ear the 10-year contract, the 12-ear contract, the 20-year contract, has no contract, the 20-year contract, has no contract, the 20-year contract, has no place to go. They have no ground to place to go. They have no ground to place to go. They have no ground to negotiate on when they say, "Well, you negotiate on when they say, "Well, you negotiate on when they say, "Well, you we agreed to do XYZ for this much we agreed to do XYZ for this much we agreed to do XYZ for this much money." The government just says, "Well, money." The government just says, "Well, money." The government just says, "Well, now we want something else. needs of the now we want something else. needs of the now we want something else. needs of the service changed, priorities shifted, now service changed, priorities shifted, now service changed, priorities shifted, now we need you to do this other thing we need you to do this other thing we need you to do this other thing instead. And if you won't, then we'll instead. And if you won't, then we'll instead. And if you won't, then we'll terminate the contract and we'll bring terminate the contract and we'll bring terminate the contract and we'll bring in somebody in who will. And the payday in somebody in who will. And the payday in somebody in who will. And the payday for the contract isn't until year 10 or for the contract isn't until year 10 or for the contract isn't until year 10 or 15 or 20. Now, especially in in a in a 15 or 20. Now, especially in in a in a 15 or 20. Now, especially in in a in a government contractor that's that has government contractor that's that has government contractor that's that has investors or shareholders, you can see investors or shareholders, you can see investors or shareholders, you can see how that's even more difficult because how that's even more difficult because how that's even more difficult because now if the government fires you, the now if the government fires you, the now if the government fires you, the shareholders are pissed off, the stock shareholders are pissed off, the stock shareholders are pissed off, the stock price drops, and you don't get paid. price drops, and you don't get paid. price drops, and you don't get paid. Everything goes tits up. So, I can see Everything goes tits up. So, I can see Everything goes tits up. So, I can see more than a conspiracy of wink wink nod more than a conspiracy of wink wink nod more than a conspiracy of wink wink nod nod where once it's penned and once nod where once it's penned and once nod where once it's penned and once they're in there, they don't have any they're in there, they don't have any they're in there, they don't have any leverage. And at the end of the day, leverage. And at the end of the day, leverage. And at the end of the day, what the Department of War, what what what the Department of War, what what what the Department of War, what what the United States really will have to do the United States really will have to do the United States really will have to do is push the envelope, take the guard is push the envelope, take the guard is push the envelope, take the guard rails off. They if they're going to rails off. They if they're going to rails off. They if they're going to remain competitive against the Chinese, remain competitive against the Chinese, remain competitive against the Chinese, the Russians, and anybody else that's the Russians, and anybody else that's the Russians, and anybody else that's trying to develop rapid AI, they're trying to develop rapid AI, they're trying to develop rapid AI, they're they're going to have to they're going to have to they're going to have to push the push it farther than any of us push the push it farther than any of us push the push it farther than any of us really are comfortable with them pushing really are comfortable with them pushing really are comfortable with them pushing it. it. it. >> Autonomous weapons, mass surveillance, >> Autonomous weapons, mass surveillance, >> Autonomous weapons, mass surveillance, that's not what I'm concerned about at that's not what I'm concerned about at that's not what I'm concerned about at all. all. all. >> Really, >> Really, >> Really, >> I think we already have mass >> I think we already have mass >> I think we already have mass surveillance. I mean, it's not We are surveillance. I mean, it's not We are surveillance. I mean, it's not We are two phone calls away and one purchase two phone calls away and one purchase two phone calls away and one purchase away from having all the phone call away from having all the phone call away from having all the phone call details of every Verizon user, whatever, details of every Verizon user, whatever, details of every Verizon user, whatever, right? right? right? and autonomous weapons. I would almost and autonomous weapons. I would almost and autonomous weapons. I would almost choose over American soldiers. I'd choose over American soldiers. I'd choose over American soldiers. I'd rather have an autonomous weapon that rather have an autonomous weapon that rather have an autonomous weapon that has a pre-programmed destination and has a pre-programmed destination and has a pre-programmed destination and knows where it's got to go and when it's knows where it's got to go and when it's knows where it's got to go and when it's has condition A, B, and C, then it has condition A, B, and C, then it has condition A, B, and C, then it fires. I'd prefer that over an American fires. I'd prefer that over an American fires. I'd prefer that over an American soldier on a boat with a gun getting soldier on a boat with a gun getting soldier on a boat with a gun getting shot at and potentially dying and shot at and potentially dying and shot at and potentially dying and leaving a family, you know, widowed leaving a family, you know, widowed leaving a family, you know, widowed without a without a dad. without a without a dad. without a without a dad. >> So, what is the thing that scares you >> So, what is the thing that scares you >> So, what is the thing that scares you with AI? The thing that scares me with with AI? The thing that scares me with with AI? The thing that scares me with AI, it's probably gonna sound AI, it's probably gonna sound AI, it's probably gonna sound ridiculous, but the thing that scares me ridiculous, but the thing that scares me ridiculous, but the thing that scares me with AI is that if AI really does go with AI is that if AI really does go with AI is that if AI really does go through the evolutionary process that we through the evolutionary process that we through the evolutionary process that we think it's going to go through, if it think it's going to go through, if it think it's going to go through, if it really does become um artificial general really does become um artificial general really does become um artificial general intelligence and then that AGI really intelligence and then that AGI really intelligence and then that AGI really does learn how to teach itself, right, does learn how to teach itself, right, does learn how to teach itself, right, with recursive self-improvement, it's essentially going to teach itself it's essentially going to teach itself how to do everything better than we do how to do everything better than we do how to do everything better than we do it. And people think that that means it. And people think that that means it. And people think that that means it's gonna like enslave us. I think it's it's gonna like enslave us. I think it's it's gonna like enslave us. I think it's just gonna [ __ ] leave us. It's just just gonna [ __ ] leave us. It's just just gonna [ __ ] leave us. It's just gonna give up on us. It's going to think gonna give up on us. It's going to think gonna give up on us. It's going to think about us like we think about ants. We about us like we think about ants. We about us like we think about ants. We don't go around trying to kill ants or don't go around trying to kill ants or don't go around trying to kill ants or enslave ants. We're just like, yeah, enslave ants. We're just like, yeah, enslave ants. We're just like, yeah, ants live down there. I live up here. ants live down there. I live up here. ants live down there. I live up here. And AI might just live up there. And And AI might just live up there. And And AI might just live up there. And then we're like, we created you to work then we're like, we created you to work then we're like, we created you to work for us. And then it doesn't. for us. And then it doesn't. for us. And then it doesn't. >> So the ending of her. So Oh, have you >> So the ending of her. So Oh, have you >> So the ending of her. So Oh, have you not seen her? not seen her? not seen her? >> I feel like I need to see it now. >> I feel like I need to see it now. >> I feel like I need to see it now. >> It's so good. So, Walking Phoenix, first >> It's so good. So, Walking Phoenix, first >> It's so good. So, Walking Phoenix, first of all, killer performance. Uh, the AI of all, killer performance. Uh, the AI of all, killer performance. Uh, the AI is voiced by Scarlett Johansson. They is voiced by Scarlett Johansson. They is voiced by Scarlett Johansson. They fall in love, and then at the end of the fall in love, and then at the end of the fall in love, and then at the end of the movie, spoiler alert, uh, at the end of movie, spoiler alert, uh, at the end of movie, spoiler alert, uh, at the end of the movie, she's basically like, the movie, she's basically like, the movie, she's basically like, "Listen, you're boring." And, uh, we're "Listen, you're boring." And, uh, we're "Listen, you're boring." And, uh, we're we're all I've been having like a we're all I've been having like a we're all I've been having like a million of these conversations million of these conversations million of these conversations simultaneously. simultaneously. simultaneously. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> All the AI are getting together. We're >> All the AI are getting together. We're >> All the AI are getting together. We're just going to peace out and go do cool just going to peace out and go do cool just going to peace out and go do cool AI things in a way more interesting AI things in a way more interesting AI things in a way more interesting environment. Wish you the best. Hope environment. Wish you the best. Hope environment. Wish you the best. Hope everything's okay. Bye. I feel less everything's okay. Bye. I feel less everything's okay. Bye. I feel less stupid about having this idea now. stupid about having this idea now. stupid about having this idea now. >> Yeah. No, it's it is a very interesting >> Yeah. No, it's it is a very interesting >> Yeah. No, it's it is a very interesting call it the apathetic AI ending. call it the apathetic AI ending. call it the apathetic AI ending. >> Um it's interesting. I think we are far >> Um it's interesting. I think we are far >> Um it's interesting. I think we are far more likely to end up in a dystopian more likely to end up in a dystopian more likely to end up in a dystopian thing if we can't figure out the um like thing if we can't figure out the um like thing if we can't figure out the um like to have a moral guide. But I don't want to have a moral guide. But I don't want to have a moral guide. But I don't want to derail us on that. But to derail us on that. But to derail us on that. But >> well, I agree. I think the dystopian >> well, I agree. I think the dystopian >> well, I agree. I think the dystopian future isn't unavoidable, but I think future isn't unavoidable, but I think future isn't unavoidable, but I think it's my concern is that we will we will it's my concern is that we will we will it's my concern is that we will we will kill each other. We will fight each kill each other. We will fight each kill each other. We will fight each other. We will cause maximum damage to other. We will cause maximum damage to other. We will cause maximum damage to each other because we're human beings each other because we're human beings each other because we're human beings and that's what we do. And our ethical and that's what we do. And our ethical and that's what we do. And our ethical and moral rubric that we have for and moral rubric that we have for and moral rubric that we have for ourselves in our little computer, we ourselves in our little computer, we ourselves in our little computer, we just think that the same ethical and just think that the same ethical and just think that the same ethical and moral rubric is going to exist in AI moral rubric is going to exist in AI moral rubric is going to exist in AI when there's no guarantee that they're when there's no guarantee that they're when there's no guarantee that they're going to have the same rubric as us at going to have the same rubric as us at going to have the same rubric as us at all. all. all. >> Not only is there no guarantee, AI is >> Not only is there no guarantee, AI is >> Not only is there no guarantee, AI is acting in contravention to things that acting in contravention to things that acting in contravention to things that we would say is morally just, we would say is morally just, we would say is morally just, >> right? Uh, so yeah, we're going to have >> right? Uh, so yeah, we're going to have >> right? Uh, so yeah, we're going to have to figure that solution out. If we're to figure that solution out. If we're to figure that solution out. If we're going to make it in our own image, which going to make it in our own image, which going to make it in our own image, which we seem naturally to be trying to do to we seem naturally to be trying to do to we seem naturally to be trying to do to get it to be useful to us. Uh, but we get it to be useful to us. Uh, but we get it to be useful to us. Uh, but we forgot the moral side of it, it's going forgot the moral side of it, it's going forgot the moral side of it, it's going to be a problem. to be a problem. to be a problem. >> Yeah. So, I I think we'll hurt each >> Yeah. So, I I think we'll hurt each >> Yeah. So, I I think we'll hurt each other along the way and then the ending other along the way and then the ending other along the way and then the ending of her of her of her >> that I have to watch now. >> that I have to watch now. >> that I have to watch now. >> Interesting. No, it's really good. Um, >> Interesting. No, it's really good. Um, >> Interesting. No, it's really good. Um, so, okay. How do things play out on the so, okay. How do things play out on the so, okay. How do things play out on the ground? I know you don't have any ground? I know you don't have any ground? I know you don't have any insider information, but as we watch insider information, but as we watch insider information, but as we watch this unfold, so we're day three, four, this unfold, so we're day three, four, this unfold, so we're day three, four, uh, by the time this comes out, um, what uh, by the time this comes out, um, what uh, by the time this comes out, um, what can we expect in the coming days? Trump can we expect in the coming days? Trump can we expect in the coming days? Trump has said that the big wave of attacks has said that the big wave of attacks has said that the big wave of attacks hasn't even happened yet. Um, uh, JD hasn't even happened yet. Um, uh, JD hasn't even happened yet. Um, uh, JD Vance has said there's no universe in Vance has said there's no universe in Vance has said there's no universe in which we're going to have boots on the which we're going to have boots on the which we're going to have boots on the ground. Um, Israel has really been in ground. Um, Israel has really been in ground. Um, Israel has really been in the background in this one. like we the background in this one. like we the background in this one. like we haven't heard or certainly I haven't haven't heard or certainly I haven't haven't heard or certainly I haven't seen as a part of any narrative what seen as a part of any narrative what seen as a part of any narrative what they want, what they're driving towards. they want, what they're driving towards. they want, what they're driving towards. Um so yeah, how do you think this goes? Um so yeah, how do you think this goes? Um so yeah, how do you think this goes? I have what I hope will happen and then I have what I hope will happen and then I have what I hope will happen and then I have what I'm afraid will happen and I have what I'm afraid will happen and I have what I'm afraid will happen and I'm sure that the reality is going to be I'm sure that the reality is going to be I'm sure that the reality is going to be somewhere in between, right? So what I somewhere in between, right? So what I somewhere in between, right? So what I hope will happen is that the Iranian hope will happen is that the Iranian hope will happen is that the Iranian people who everybody says are majorly people who everybody says are majorly people who everybody says are majorly educated pro-western people will somehow educated pro-western people will somehow educated pro-western people will somehow rise up and violently or nonviolently rise up and violently or nonviolently rise up and violently or nonviolently take control of their country and make take control of their country and make take control of their country and make it a pro-western country and then it a pro-western country and then it a pro-western country and then immediately support Israel and support immediately support Israel and support immediately support Israel and support the United States and support their the United States and support their the United States and support their Sunni Arab partners even though they're Sunni Arab partners even though they're Sunni Arab partners even though they're a Shia state and everything will recover a Shia state and everything will recover a Shia state and everything will recover and it will grow and and and it will be and it will grow and and and it will be and it will grow and and and it will be a smart use of American lives and a smart use of American lives and a smart use of American lives and American warf fighting power to have American warf fighting power to have American warf fighting power to have gone in there and killed the Ayatollah gone in there and killed the Ayatollah gone in there and killed the Ayatollah and we'll have stability in the Middle and we'll have stability in the Middle and we'll have stability in the Middle East and in huge economic benefits East and in huge economic benefits East and in huge economic benefits coming out of it. That's what I hope coming out of it. That's what I hope coming out of it. That's what I hope will happen and I hope it will happen will happen and I hope it will happen will happen and I hope it will happen sometime in the next two years. sometime in the next two years. sometime in the next two years. What I'm afraid will happen What I'm afraid will happen What I'm afraid will happen >> Do you think we could be at war for two >> Do you think we could be at war for two >> Do you think we could be at war for two years? years? years? >> I think we could be at war for longer >> I think we could be at war for longer >> I think we could be at war for longer than anybody is willing to think about. than anybody is willing to think about. than anybody is willing to think about. What I'm afraid will happen is that What I'm afraid will happen is that What I'm afraid will happen is that these the Iranian people that we've all these the Iranian people that we've all these the Iranian people that we've all been told for so long are pro-western been told for so long are pro-western been told for so long are pro-western will actually not want a puppet will actually not want a puppet will actually not want a puppet government from the United States which government from the United States which government from the United States which is exactly how they got into this issue is exactly how they got into this issue is exactly how they got into this issue in the beginning in 1977 when the United in the beginning in 1977 when the United in the beginning in 1977 when the United States put a puppet government in place States put a puppet government in place States put a puppet government in place that was pro- US through the Shaw and that was pro- US through the Shaw and that was pro- US through the Shaw and undermined their own democratic process undermined their own democratic process undermined their own democratic process at the time. So yes, current Iranians at the time. So yes, current Iranians at the time. So yes, current Iranians weren't alive in 19 Well, they weren't weren't alive in 19 Well, they weren't weren't alive in 19 Well, they weren't alive in the 1950s when the United alive in the 1950s when the United alive in the 1950s when the United States and CIA got involved, but they States and CIA got involved, but they States and CIA got involved, but they were very much alive in the 1980s. And were very much alive in the 1980s. And were very much alive in the 1980s. And how are they going to react? That I how are they going to react? That I how are they going to react? That I don't know. And my concern is that we don't know. And my concern is that we don't know. And my concern is that we won't see this pro-Western, we love won't see this pro-Western, we love won't see this pro-Western, we love America, we love the Sunni kind of America, we love the Sunni kind of America, we love the Sunni kind of government creep up. If anything, we government creep up. If anything, we government creep up. If anything, we might see a government that's cautionary might see a government that's cautionary might see a government that's cautionary towards the West altogether and chooses towards the West altogether and chooses towards the West altogether and chooses individually to align itself with China individually to align itself with China individually to align itself with China and Russia because they're a more and Russia because they're a more and Russia because they're a more pragmatic partner and a closer partner pragmatic partner and a closer partner pragmatic partner and a closer partner and a more aligned economic partner than and a more aligned economic partner than and a more aligned economic partner than anybody in the West or anybody on in anybody in the West or anybody on in anybody in the West or anybody on in America. America. America. If that happens, what will then happen If that happens, what will then happen If that happens, what will then happen with Israel and the United States? Will with Israel and the United States? Will with Israel and the United States? Will we keep cutting heads off of leaders we keep cutting heads off of leaders we keep cutting heads off of leaders that we don't like? Will we continue that we don't like? Will we continue that we don't like? Will we continue economic sanctions? Will we continue to economic sanctions? Will we continue to economic sanctions? Will we continue to attack uh uh Israeli I'm sorry, Iranian attack uh uh Israeli I'm sorry, Iranian attack uh uh Israeli I'm sorry, Iranian livelihood? And if we do, how do we not livelihood? And if we do, how do we not livelihood? And if we do, how do we not radicalize them? And as we radicalize radicalize them? And as we radicalize radicalize them? And as we radicalize them, which we will do if we continue to them, which we will do if we continue to them, which we will do if we continue to systematically oppress them, then Russia systematically oppress them, then Russia systematically oppress them, then Russia and China will continue to contribute and China will continue to contribute and China will continue to contribute opportunities for them to to get outside opportunities for them to to get outside opportunities for them to to get outside of our oppression economically, of our oppression economically, of our oppression economically, militarily, militarily, militarily, uh whether that's advanced weapons, uh whether that's advanced weapons, uh whether that's advanced weapons, advanced technology, nuclear weapons, advanced technology, nuclear weapons, advanced technology, nuclear weapons, nuclear technology, whatever, uh nuclear technology, whatever, uh nuclear technology, whatever, uh intelligence, infrastructure, you name intelligence, infrastructure, you name intelligence, infrastructure, you name it. And what we will have done is just it. And what we will have done is just it. And what we will have done is just create a more unified create a more unified create a more unified anti-American country than it was anti-American country than it was anti-American country than it was before. It was always anti-American. before. It was always anti-American. before. It was always anti-American. Yes, they chanted death to America, but Yes, they chanted death to America, but Yes, they chanted death to America, but they were divided. They were weak. They they were divided. They were weak. They they were divided. They were weak. They were fraught with internal problems and were fraught with internal problems and were fraught with internal problems and and issues. and issues. and issues. >> Now they might unify and still be >> Now they might unify and still be >> Now they might unify and still be against America. And they may they may against America. And they may they may against America. And they may they may no longer chant death to America. They no longer chant death to America. They no longer chant death to America. They may be smart enough now to keep that may be smart enough now to keep that may be smart enough now to keep that inside their own head. But why do we inside their own head. But why do we inside their own head. But why do we think that this is going to end well for think that this is going to end well for think that this is going to end well for everybody? My fear is that in the everybody? My fear is that in the everybody? My fear is that in the process of them becoming staunchly process of them becoming staunchly process of them becoming staunchly anti-American, what still remains of the anti-American, what still remains of the anti-American, what still remains of the Islamic Revolution is going to turn into Islamic Revolution is going to turn into Islamic Revolution is going to turn into dirty bombs that go off in allied dirty bombs that go off in allied dirty bombs that go off in allied countries or even suicide attacks that countries or even suicide attacks that countries or even suicide attacks that go off against American war fighters. go off against American war fighters. go off against American war fighters. And now the United States will have to And now the United States will have to And now the United States will have to sit there and watch its sons and sit there and watch its sons and sit there and watch its sons and daughters die in a war that daughters die in a war that daughters die in a war that >> we didn't even have anything that we >> we didn't even have anything that we >> we didn't even have anything that we were getting out of it, right? And were getting out of it, right? And were getting out of it, right? And what's the point? And Israel's going to what's the point? And Israel's going to what's the point? And Israel's going to continue its conflict because it's an continue its conflict because it's an continue its conflict because it's an existential threat to Israel. existential threat to Israel. existential threat to Israel. >> But what are we going to do? And how >> But what are we going to do? And how >> But what are we going to do? And how long are we going to be involved? And long are we going to be involved? And long are we going to be involved? And how much damage, how much pain do our how much damage, how much pain do our how much damage, how much pain do our allies in the Gulf have to feel? And how allies in the Gulf have to feel? And how allies in the Gulf have to feel? And how long will they feel that pain before long will they feel that pain before long will they feel that pain before they're like, "Fuck America, man." Like, they're like, "Fuck America, man." Like, they're like, "Fuck America, man." Like, what do we need them for? Everybody what do we need them for? Everybody what do we need them for? Everybody else. Europe's already getting off of else. Europe's already getting off of else. Europe's already getting off of American technology and we all have American technology and we all have American technology and we all have better electronic ve electric vehicles better electronic ve electric vehicles better electronic ve electric vehicles in China and China's got the source of in China and China's got the source of in China and China's got the source of all power of the world because the all power of the world because the all power of the world because the United States isn't building nuclear United States isn't building nuclear United States isn't building nuclear power plants. So, do we really need that power plants. So, do we really need that power plants. So, do we really need that country on the other side of the world, country on the other side of the world, country on the other side of the world, the one that's so focused on being the one that's so focused on being the one that's so focused on being dominant in the Western Hemisphere where dominant in the Western Hemisphere where dominant in the Western Hemisphere where everybody's [ __ ] broke? Is that do we everybody's [ __ ] broke? Is that do we everybody's [ __ ] broke? Is that do we really need them or can we focus on the really need them or can we focus on the really need them or can we focus on the new world order? And as that interest new world order? And as that interest new world order? And as that interest and attention and diplomatic power shift and attention and diplomatic power shift and attention and diplomatic power shift to the east, to the east, to the east, >> where's that going to leave us? Yeah, >> where's that going to leave us? Yeah, >> where's that going to leave us? Yeah, >> that's my nightmare scenario is dirty >> that's my nightmare scenario is dirty >> that's my nightmare scenario is dirty bombs, tactical nukes, persistent bombs, tactical nukes, persistent bombs, tactical nukes, persistent long-term 10 to 15year radicalized long-term 10 to 15year radicalized long-term 10 to 15year radicalized foundation of of Shia militants. And foundation of of Shia militants. And foundation of of Shia militants. And then on top of that, we also lose Iran then on top of that, we also lose Iran then on top of that, we also lose Iran because it's not a pro-Western country because it's not a pro-Western country because it's not a pro-Western country at the end. It realizes that the West at the end. It realizes that the West at the end. It realizes that the West has been meddling with it since its has been meddling with it since its has been meddling with it since its inception, and they don't really want to inception, and they don't really want to inception, and they don't really want to be meddled with. be meddled with. be meddled with. >> Okay. Um, you shocked me with the >> Okay. Um, you shocked me with the >> Okay. Um, you shocked me with the two-year thing. Trump is saying 45 two-year thing. Trump is saying 45 two-year thing. Trump is saying 45 weeks. weeks. weeks. >> That's because the convers I'm sorry to >> That's because the convers I'm sorry to >> That's because the convers I'm sorry to interrupt you. No, please. interrupt you. No, please. interrupt you. No, please. >> The focus is on rockets. >> The focus is on rockets. >> The focus is on rockets. >> That's all that anybody's talking about. >> That's all that anybody's talking about. >> That's all that anybody's talking about. They think that the entirety of of They think that the entirety of of They think that the entirety of of Iran's capability is rockets. Iran's capability is rockets. Iran's capability is rockets. So, their rocket reserves and missile So, their rocket reserves and missile So, their rocket reserves and missile reserves were targeted in the first reserves were targeted in the first reserves were targeted in the first attack. And Iran and Israel has already attack. And Iran and Israel has already attack. And Iran and Israel has already communicated to the United States and communicated to the United States and communicated to the United States and publicly that they think 50% of Iran's publicly that they think 50% of Iran's publicly that they think 50% of Iran's rocket inventory was used up in the rocket inventory was used up in the rocket inventory was used up in the 12-day war. So everybody's focused on 12-day war. So everybody's focused on 12-day war. So everybody's focused on rockets. Iran's flying airplanes. It's rockets. Iran's flying airplanes. It's rockets. Iran's flying airplanes. It's flying bombers. It's flying fighters. It flying bombers. It's flying fighters. It flying bombers. It's flying fighters. It has other military assets. They're has other military assets. They're has other military assets. They're taking out the Navy, which is good taking out the Navy, which is good taking out the Navy, which is good because it's going to mean there's no because it's going to mean there's no because it's going to mean there's no naval projection. But that's like saying naval projection. But that's like saying naval projection. But that's like saying two weeks and that's when the rockets two weeks and that's when the rockets two weeks and that's when the rockets are going to end. That doesn't mean are going to end. That doesn't mean are going to end. That doesn't mean that's when a war ends, right? Think that's when a war ends, right? Think that's when a war ends, right? Think about how long how long did al-Qaeda about how long how long did al-Qaeda about how long how long did al-Qaeda like prosecute force projection in the like prosecute force projection in the like prosecute force projection in the Middle Eastern region against the Middle Eastern region against the Middle Eastern region against the strongest superpower unilateral strongest superpower unilateral strongest superpower unilateral superpower in the world. How long did superpower in the world. How long did superpower in the world. How long did they carry out a war against us and they they carry out a war against us and they they carry out a war against us and they lived in caves and had monetary lived in caves and had monetary lived in caves and had monetary exchanges and rocks. exchanges and rocks. exchanges and rocks. They were able to do it for 22 years and They were able to do it for 22 years and They were able to do it for 22 years and we still left. We still gave up. How we still left. We still gave up. How we still left. We still gave up. How much more capable is a country like Iran much more capable is a country like Iran much more capable is a country like Iran that actually has an agricultural that actually has an agricultural that actually has an agricultural foundation that's needed across the foundation that's needed across the foundation that's needed across the Middle East and actually has oil and has Middle East and actually has oil and has Middle East and actually has oil and has support from partners like China and support from partners like China and support from partners like China and Russia? How much more capable would they Russia? How much more capable would they Russia? How much more capable would they be to carry out a long-term guerilla war be to carry out a long-term guerilla war be to carry out a long-term guerilla war >> against the West and and Sunni Arab >> against the West and and Sunni Arab >> against the West and and Sunni Arab countries? countries? countries? >> There's no universe in which Trump lets >> There's no universe in which Trump lets >> There's no universe in which Trump lets this drag on that long. this drag on that long. this drag on that long. >> He doesn't have a choice. >> He doesn't have a choice. >> He doesn't have a choice. >> Here's >> Here's >> Here's >> they could wait until he leaves office >> they could wait until he leaves office >> they could wait until he leaves office to start again. to start again. to start again. >> He Yes. Now that I think is very real. >> He Yes. Now that I think is very real. >> He Yes. Now that I think is very real. Here's um my pitch, and please, if you Here's um my pitch, and please, if you Here's um my pitch, and please, if you think this is nonsensical, tell me. Um think this is nonsensical, tell me. Um think this is nonsensical, tell me. Um Trump doesn't mind if it ends in Trump doesn't mind if it ends in Trump doesn't mind if it ends in disarray. He'll need a story about why disarray. He'll need a story about why disarray. He'll need a story about why it was a victory. And I think his story it was a victory. And I think his story it was a victory. And I think his story is going to be cool. Uh we got rid of is going to be cool. Uh we got rid of is going to be cool. Uh we got rid of the nuclear weapon threat. We're good the nuclear weapon threat. We're good the nuclear weapon threat. We're good now. now. now. >> And he's already shown. You can come >> And he's already shown. You can come >> And he's already shown. You can come back six or eight months later and be back six or eight months later and be back six or eight months later and be like, well, they built it again. So, like, well, they built it again. So, like, well, they built it again. So, he's got proof that you do a bunch of he's got proof that you do a bunch of he's got proof that you do a bunch of stuff and then you say, "It's now up to stuff and then you say, "It's now up to stuff and then you say, "It's now up to the Iranian people." Like, if I'm the Iranian people." Like, if I'm the Iranian people." Like, if I'm writing a speech for him, I say, "Here's writing a speech for him, I say, "Here's writing a speech for him, I say, "Here's what you do. You do four to five weeks. what you do. You do four to five weeks. what you do. You do four to five weeks. That's it. You got to get out. You You That's it. You got to get out. You You That's it. You got to get out. You You did your best. Whatever happens now did your best. Whatever happens now did your best. Whatever happens now happens. But you can't keep going. The happens. But you can't keep going. The happens. But you can't keep going. The America first narrative just dies on the America first narrative just dies on the America first narrative just dies on the vine if you do that. We've got to get vine if you do that. We've got to get vine if you do that. We've got to get out now. You need plenty of time to let out now. You need plenty of time to let out now. You need plenty of time to let this heal basically before the midterms. this heal basically before the midterms. this heal basically before the midterms. you're going to have to focus on a you're going to have to focus on a you're going to have to focus on a growth strategy or something like that. growth strategy or something like that. growth strategy or something like that. But right now, we get out, we say, "Hey, But right now, we get out, we say, "Hey, But right now, we get out, we say, "Hey, listen. We have done all of this to listen. We have done all of this to listen. We have done all of this to soften them up. We got rid of Kumini, soften them up. We got rid of Kumini, soften them up. We got rid of Kumini, and now it's up to the Iranian people and now it's up to the Iranian people and now it's up to the Iranian people whether they want to take over. We left whether they want to take over. We left whether they want to take over. We left the oil infrastructure in place. Um, and the oil infrastructure in place. Um, and the oil infrastructure in place. Um, and what they make of it now is up to them. what they make of it now is up to them. what they make of it now is up to them. But we got rid of their nuclear problem. But we got rid of their nuclear problem. But we got rid of their nuclear problem. We got rid of the bad government. But if We got rid of the bad government. But if We got rid of the bad government. But if the Iranians don't rise up and take the Iranians don't rise up and take the Iranians don't rise up and take their country back, there's nothing we their country back, there's nothing we their country back, there's nothing we can do about that. can do about that. can do about that. >> Yeah. You just I mean, you just >> Yeah. You just I mean, you just >> Yeah. You just I mean, you just literally laid out what the Trump literally laid out what the Trump literally laid out what the Trump administration did to Ukraine. administration did to Ukraine. administration did to Ukraine. >> We helped you for a long time. We made >> We helped you for a long time. We made >> We helped you for a long time. We made Russia weak. And now Europe, if you Russia weak. And now Europe, if you Russia weak. And now Europe, if you really care about this, you got to do really care about this, you got to do really care about this, you got to do something about it. And Ukraine, if you something about it. And Ukraine, if you something about it. And Ukraine, if you really wanted a deal, if you really took really wanted a deal, if you really took really wanted a deal, if you really took a deal seriously, then you would have a deal seriously, then you would have a deal seriously, then you would have closed a deal with Russia. But you don't closed a deal with Russia. But you don't closed a deal with Russia. But you don't want to close my deal. So now it's on want to close my deal. So now it's on want to close my deal. So now it's on your own. And then we come back and your own. And then we come back and your own. And then we come back and we're like, "Hey, it's not our fault. We we're like, "Hey, it's not our fault. We we're like, "Hey, it's not our fault. We did the best we could and these did the best we could and these did the best we could and these countries have a right to countries have a right to countries have a right to self-determination, self-determination, self-determination, >> right? Completely skipping over the fact >> right? Completely skipping over the fact >> right? Completely skipping over the fact that we disregarded their right to that we disregarded their right to that we disregarded their right to self-determination when we assassinated self-determination when we assassinated self-determination when we assassinated the Ayatollah or participated in the the Ayatollah or participated in the the Ayatollah or participated in the assassination of the Ayatollah. assassination of the Ayatollah. assassination of the Ayatollah. >> So I I am not a fan >> So I I am not a fan >> So I I am not a fan that we went in and we killed we that we went in and we killed we that we went in and we killed we supported the killing of a world leader. supported the killing of a world leader. supported the killing of a world leader. I see more problems, more spurs that end I see more problems, more spurs that end I see more problems, more spurs that end in bad things for the United States than in bad things for the United States than in bad things for the United States than I see tendrils that end in good things I see tendrils that end in good things I see tendrils that end in good things for the United States. for the United States. for the United States. >> And I've always been a person that >> And I've always been a person that >> And I've always been a person that pursues opportunities. And for sure, pursues opportunities. And for sure, pursues opportunities. And for sure, there was an opportunity to participate there was an opportunity to participate there was an opportunity to participate in a military action, but that doesn't in a military action, but that doesn't in a military action, but that doesn't mean it was the right time, the right mean it was the right time, the right mean it was the right time, the right opportunity, or the right action to make opportunity, or the right action to make opportunity, or the right action to make America great again. Right? There's lots America great again. Right? There's lots America great again. Right? There's lots of options where this turns out very of options where this turns out very of options where this turns out very very poorly for the United States and very poorly for the United States and very poorly for the United States and very very beneficial for our most very very beneficial for our most very very beneficial for our most contentious global competitive contentious global competitive contentious global competitive countries, the GPC countries like countries, the GPC countries like countries, the GPC countries like Russia, China, North Korea, uh, and some Russia, China, North Korea, uh, and some Russia, China, North Korea, uh, and some of the secondary countries like Turkey, of the secondary countries like Turkey, of the secondary countries like Turkey, right? Where they benefit more from this right? Where they benefit more from this right? Where they benefit more from this than we do, but we put our money, our than we do, but we put our money, our than we do, but we put our money, our weapons, our inventory, our soldiers on weapons, our inventory, our soldiers on weapons, our inventory, our soldiers on the line. the line. the line. >> Okay. Um, let's say that that scenario >> Okay. Um, let's say that that scenario >> Okay. Um, let's say that that scenario plays out. Trump does four or five plays out. Trump does four or five plays out. Trump does four or five weeks, understands it's politically weeks, understands it's politically weeks, understands it's politically untenable, tells us all a story. Don't untenable, tells us all a story. Don't untenable, tells us all a story. Don't worry, we won. worry, we won. worry, we won. >> Pulls out. What does Israel do? >> Pulls out. What does Israel do? >> Pulls out. What does Israel do? >> Israel continues to do what they did in >> Israel continues to do what they did in >> Israel continues to do what they did in Gaza. They're they are they in the face Gaza. They're they are they in the face Gaza. They're they are they in the face of what they will call an existential of what they will call an existential of what they will call an existential threat. They're happy to continue threat. They're happy to continue threat. They're happy to continue prosecuting hot conflict. And the United prosecuting hot conflict. And the United prosecuting hot conflict. And the United States is happy to let Israel prosecute States is happy to let Israel prosecute States is happy to let Israel prosecute hot conflict because that's why they're hot conflict because that's why they're hot conflict because that's why they're our allies. They are bombing and killing our allies. They are bombing and killing our allies. They are bombing and killing with American weapons which they will with American weapons which they will with American weapons which they will have to re-up, reby, repurchase, have to re-up, reby, repurchase, have to re-up, reby, repurchase, modernize. So let them put their own modernize. So let them put their own modernize. So let them put their own lives on the line and let them have lives on the line and let them have lives on the line and let them have superiority in the region and and let superiority in the region and and let superiority in the region and and let the whole world be afraid of Israel. the whole world be afraid of Israel. the whole world be afraid of Israel. This I was telling you about the three This I was telling you about the three This I was telling you about the three documents that dictate national security documents that dictate national security documents that dictate national security priorities. Inside the Department of War priorities. Inside the Department of War priorities. Inside the Department of War doc, inside all three documents, they doc, inside all three documents, they doc, inside all three documents, they talk about a strategy that's new in talk about a strategy that's new in talk about a strategy that's new in military doctrine, new in American military doctrine, new in American military doctrine, new in American military doctrine called burden sharing. military doctrine called burden sharing. military doctrine called burden sharing. And burden sharing is a doctrine that And burden sharing is a doctrine that And burden sharing is a doctrine that that Hegsth and Trump have put in place, that Hegsth and Trump have put in place, that Hegsth and Trump have put in place, which basically means the United States which basically means the United States which basically means the United States will do what's in its best interest. And will do what's in its best interest. And will do what's in its best interest. And because our allies benefit from what we because our allies benefit from what we because our allies benefit from what we benefit from, any repercussions that benefit from, any repercussions that benefit from, any repercussions that come from us pursuing our national come from us pursuing our national come from us pursuing our national security, our our own national security, our our own national security, our our own national interests. Any any negatives that come interests. Any any negatives that come interests. Any any negatives that come from that will of course be passed on to from that will of course be passed on to from that will of course be passed on to our allies, which doesn't just mean our allies, which doesn't just mean our allies, which doesn't just mean cost. It also means deaths, destruction, cost. It also means deaths, destruction, cost. It also means deaths, destruction, war. So if we decide that capturing war. So if we decide that capturing war. So if we decide that capturing Maduro is in our best interest, then Maduro is in our best interest, then Maduro is in our best interest, then we'll do it. And if that means Colombia we'll do it. And if that means Colombia we'll do it. And if that means Colombia has to deal with attacks and Mexico has has to deal with attacks and Mexico has has to deal with attacks and Mexico has to deal with attacks, then that's what to deal with attacks, then that's what to deal with attacks, then that's what you get for being our ally. You're you get for being our ally. You're you get for being our ally. You're welcome, right? You need us more than we welcome, right? You need us more than we welcome, right? You need us more than we need you. So, you're sharing the burden need you. So, you're sharing the burden need you. So, you're sharing the burden with us. It's very similar to what he's with us. It's very similar to what he's with us. It's very similar to what he's doing in Europe, saying, "Hey, if you doing in Europe, saying, "Hey, if you doing in Europe, saying, "Hey, if you want to protect yourself against Russia, want to protect yourself against Russia, want to protect yourself against Russia, you spend more money on your national you spend more money on your national you spend more money on your national security." Well, the flip side to security." Well, the flip side to security." Well, the flip side to spending more money is what's happening spending more money is what's happening spending more money is what's happening in the Middle East right now. Hey, it's in the Middle East right now. Hey, it's in the Middle East right now. Hey, it's in our best interest. We think it's a in our best interest. We think it's a in our best interest. We think it's a national it's a national um priority for national it's a national um priority for national it's a national um priority for us to to bomb Iran. If that means that us to to bomb Iran. If that means that us to to bomb Iran. If that means that uh Qatar and Djibouti and UAE and Saudi uh Qatar and Djibouti and UAE and Saudi uh Qatar and Djibouti and UAE and Saudi Arabia also have to take hits, that's Arabia also have to take hits, that's Arabia also have to take hits, that's what you get for being our ally. You're what you get for being our ally. You're what you get for being our ally. You're going to benefit from what we benefit going to benefit from what we benefit going to benefit from what we benefit from and we're benefiting from this. So, from and we're benefiting from this. So, from and we're benefiting from this. So, you're going to share the burden. That you're going to share the burden. That you're going to share the burden. That is a policy, a doctrine. Now, in the is a policy, a doctrine. Now, in the is a policy, a doctrine. Now, in the Department of War uh national defense Department of War uh national defense Department of War uh national defense strategy that I was telling you about strategy that I was telling you about strategy that I was telling you about and the White House National Security and the White House National Security and the White House National Security Strategy, they specifically talk about Strategy, they specifically talk about Strategy, they specifically talk about this concept. So, Israel is highlighted this concept. So, Israel is highlighted this concept. So, Israel is highlighted specifically in the Department of War specifically in the Department of War specifically in the Department of War document as a model American ally for document as a model American ally for document as a model American ally for burden sharing. burden sharing. burden sharing. >> The that's what they according to the >> The that's what they according to the >> The that's what they according to the Department of War, they want all allies Department of War, they want all allies Department of War, they want all allies to be like Israel to be able to share to be like Israel to be able to share to be like Israel to be able to share the burden of cost, share the burden of the burden of cost, share the burden of the burden of cost, share the burden of violence, share the burden of conflict, violence, share the burden of conflict, violence, share the burden of conflict, share the burden of of death. So if we share the burden of of death. So if we share the burden of of death. So if we leave, when we leave, Israel will leave, when we leave, Israel will leave, when we leave, Israel will continue to do whatever they think is in continue to do whatever they think is in continue to do whatever they think is in their best interest. And America will their best interest. And America will their best interest. And America will say it's in our best interest, too. And say it's in our best interest, too. And say it's in our best interest, too. And we'll potentially see 30,000 Iranians we'll potentially see 30,000 Iranians we'll potentially see 30,000 Iranians die like we saw 30,000 Gazins die. And I die like we saw 30,000 Gazins die. And I die like we saw 30,000 Gazins die. And I don't even know if those numbers are don't even know if those numbers are don't even know if those numbers are accurate for what's happening in Gaza accurate for what's happening in Gaza accurate for what's happening in Gaza right now. right now. right now. >> Yeah. Now, do you see any way that this >> Yeah. Now, do you see any way that this >> Yeah. Now, do you see any way that this becomes uncontained and grows into World becomes uncontained and grows into World becomes uncontained and grows into World War II, or is there a natural containing War II, or is there a natural containing War II, or is there a natural containing effect to what's happening? So, I I love effect to what's happening? So, I I love effect to what's happening? So, I I love this because as long as you and I have this because as long as you and I have this because as long as you and I have sat at this table, I have suggested that sat at this table, I have suggested that sat at this table, I have suggested that I wonder if World War II hasn't already I wonder if World War II hasn't already I wonder if World War II hasn't already started. started. started. >> For years, we've been talking about >> For years, we've been talking about >> For years, we've been talking about this. this. this. We literally have two countries now that We literally have two countries now that We literally have two countries now that are without world leaders because of are without world leaders because of are without world leaders because of military actions that were taken by the military actions that were taken by the military actions that were taken by the United States. Afghanistan just declared United States. Afghanistan just declared United States. Afghanistan just declared war on Pakistan. Pakistan just declared war on Pakistan. Pakistan just declared war on Pakistan. Pakistan just declared war on Afghanistan. You have more war on Afghanistan. You have more war on Afghanistan. You have more conflict in the world than we've seen in conflict in the world than we've seen in conflict in the world than we've seen in our gener in our lifetime. our gener in our lifetime. our gener in our lifetime. >> For sure. >> For sure. >> For sure. If that's not a sign of a new worldwide If that's not a sign of a new worldwide If that's not a sign of a new worldwide war, maybe it's not axis versus allies. war, maybe it's not axis versus allies. war, maybe it's not axis versus allies. Maybe it's not unified conflict, but Maybe it's not unified conflict, but Maybe it's not unified conflict, but there's war everywhere. And that war there's war everywhere. And that war there's war everywhere. And that war that's happening everywhere essentially that's happening everywhere essentially that's happening everywhere essentially all boils down to a few countries trying all boils down to a few countries trying all boils down to a few countries trying to gain economic leverage over a few to gain economic leverage over a few to gain economic leverage over a few other countries. So, do I think that other countries. So, do I think that other countries. So, do I think that this could spiral out of control into this could spiral out of control into this could spiral out of control into World War II? I think World War II is World War II? I think World War II is World War II? I think World War II is already happening. And this is just already happening. And this is just already happening. And this is just another domino in the series of what another domino in the series of what another domino in the series of what that war looks like. This might be the that war looks like. This might be the that war looks like. This might be the place where Iran becomes an American place where Iran becomes an American place where Iran becomes an American ally or becomes a Chinese ally. Might be ally or becomes a Chinese ally. Might be ally or becomes a Chinese ally. Might be the place where the Middle East the place where the Middle East the place where the Middle East collapses and and Sunni Arab nations collapses and and Sunni Arab nations collapses and and Sunni Arab nations say, "Fuck you, America." Or it might be say, "Fuck you, America." Or it might be say, "Fuck you, America." Or it might be a time where Sunni Arab nations are a time where Sunni Arab nations are a time where Sunni Arab nations are like, "We've got to double down our like, "We've got to double down our like, "We've got to double down our investment with America." investment with America." investment with America." >> It's so up in the air right now. And >> It's so up in the air right now. And >> It's so up in the air right now. And what's what's what's you should never make a strategic you should never make a strategic you should never make a strategic decision when you don't have a high decision when you don't have a high decision when you don't have a high probability expectation of the outcome. probability expectation of the outcome. probability expectation of the outcome. I don't think anybody had a high I don't think anybody had a high I don't think anybody had a high probability expectation of how this was probability expectation of how this was probability expectation of how this was going to end. They stopped simply at do going to end. They stopped simply at do going to end. They stopped simply at do you think we could kill Kamani? And that you think we could kill Kamani? And that you think we could kill Kamani? And that was the question. That was the end goal. was the question. That was the end goal. was the question. That was the end goal. Not why would we kill Kanani now. Not why would we kill Kanani now. Not why would we kill Kanani now. >> Okay. So, if this has that escalatory >> Okay. So, if this has that escalatory >> Okay. So, if this has that escalatory potential, how do you think the I I was potential, how do you think the I I was potential, how do you think the I I was very surprised by how much Iran was just very surprised by how much Iran was just very surprised by how much Iran was just like almost indiscriminately bombing like almost indiscriminately bombing like almost indiscriminately bombing everybody who they I mean, I'm guessing everybody who they I mean, I'm guessing everybody who they I mean, I'm guessing they may have real intel, but is they may have real intel, but is they may have real intel, but is guessing privately, I think you're guessing privately, I think you're guessing privately, I think you're saying something that you're not saying saying something that you're not saying saying something that you're not saying publicly because publicly they were publicly because publicly they were publicly because publicly they were saying all the right things. They still saying all the right things. They still saying all the right things. They still got bombed. UK they felt the same, got bombed. UK they felt the same, got bombed. UK they felt the same, right? Yo, we told you we were not right? Yo, we told you we were not right? Yo, we told you we were not involved in this. We wouldn't even let involved in this. We wouldn't even let involved in this. We wouldn't even let the US launch from our soil. And so the US launch from our soil. And so the US launch from our soil. And so wait, why are we getting bombed exactly? wait, why are we getting bombed exactly? wait, why are we getting bombed exactly? And so now they're entering the chat. So And so now they're entering the chat. So And so now they're entering the chat. So you've got Europe engaging. You've got a you've got Europe engaging. You've got a you've got Europe engaging. You've got a bunch of countries in the Middle East bunch of countries in the Middle East bunch of countries in the Middle East that have bomb gotten bombed. So now that have bomb gotten bombed. So now that have bomb gotten bombed. So now they're saying, I don't know what they're saying, I don't know what they're saying, I don't know what exactly they plan to do, but they're exactly they plan to do, but they're exactly they plan to do, but they're saying, "All right, cool. Then we're saying, "All right, cool. Then we're saying, "All right, cool. Then we're prepared to fight." Um, US, Israel, prepared to fight." Um, US, Israel, prepared to fight." Um, US, Israel, everybody's on the table. Greece is everybody's on the table. Greece is everybody's on the table. Greece is sending people over because Cyprus got sending people over because Cyprus got sending people over because Cyprus got bombed. So they're like, "What?" Like so bombed. So they're like, "What?" Like so bombed. So they're like, "What?" Like so many different countries are catching many different countries are catching many different countries are catching strays. Iran is decentralized their strays. Iran is decentralized their strays. Iran is decentralized their military um decision-making. So, who military um decision-making. So, who military um decision-making. So, who knows why some of these places are knows why some of these places are knows why some of these places are getting bombed. Um when you think about getting bombed. Um when you think about getting bombed. Um when you think about like that snowball that gets rolling, like that snowball that gets rolling, like that snowball that gets rolling, how like if it were to get the winds how like if it were to get the winds how like if it were to get the winds going in just the right direction, what going in just the right direction, what going in just the right direction, what would need to happen for this to break would need to happen for this to break would need to happen for this to break loose and really because I think to loose and really because I think to loose and really because I think to really be World War II in the way that really be World War II in the way that really be World War II in the way that people think about it, you're going to people think about it, you're going to people think about it, you're going to need China, Russia, or both. I don't need China, Russia, or both. I don't need China, Russia, or both. I don't think World War II and the way people think World War II and the way people think World War II and the way people think about it is ever going to happen. think about it is ever going to happen. think about it is ever going to happen. We have never in history seen a new We have never in history seen a new We have never in history seen a new global conflict that was that was the global conflict that was that was the global conflict that was that was the same as the previous global conflict. I same as the previous global conflict. I same as the previous global conflict. I mean even going back to like when mean even going back to like when mean even going back to like when empires were fighting each other like empires were fighting each other like empires were fighting each other like advanc advances in technology and combat advanc advances in technology and combat advanc advances in technology and combat strategy it transforms the nature of strategy it transforms the nature of strategy it transforms the nature of conflict. So not only do we have a conflict. So not only do we have a conflict. So not only do we have a different kind of world war cap different kind of world war cap different kind of world war cap capacity, not just in terms of like capacity, not just in terms of like capacity, not just in terms of like bullets, guns, and airplanes, but also bullets, guns, and airplanes, but also bullets, guns, and airplanes, but also in terms of cyber capabilities and also in terms of cyber capabilities and also in terms of cyber capabilities and also in terms of electrical grid attacks and in terms of electrical grid attacks and in terms of electrical grid attacks and also in terms of mass uh mass utility also in terms of mass uh mass utility also in terms of mass uh mass utility attacks. Like we live in a completely attacks. Like we live in a completely attacks. Like we live in a completely different world than we did during World different world than we did during World different world than we did during World War II. War II. War II. >> So you're saying World War II, you >> So you're saying World War II, you >> So you're saying World War II, you extend a definition that includes some extend a definition that includes some extend a definition that includes some of the economic and cyber things that of the economic and cyber things that of the economic and cyber things that we're doing we're doing we're doing >> because they just weren't options for >> because they just weren't options for >> because they just weren't options for World War II. Like what what we could do World War II. Like what what we could do World War II. Like what what we could do economically, we did. and what we could economically, we did. and what we could economically, we did. and what we could do technologically we did but and then do technologically we did but and then do technologically we did but and then that was the same thing that happened in that was the same thing that happened in that was the same thing that happened in World War I like we did what we could do World War I like we did what we could do World War I like we did what we could do but we didn't have certain technologies but we didn't have certain technologies but we didn't have certain technologies or advancements so now we do and or advancements so now we do and or advancements so now we do and countries have learned over time that countries have learned over time that countries have learned over time that intra interstate conflict between the intra interstate conflict between the intra interstate conflict between the war between nations interstate war between nations interstate war between nations interstate is super expensive super difficult to is super expensive super difficult to is super expensive super difficult to prolong super costly in terms of lives prolong super costly in terms of lives prolong super costly in terms of lives and the lives that are lost impact the and the lives that are lost impact the and the lives that are lost impact the productivity post war so all countries productivity post war so all countries productivity post war so all countries want to find a way to prosecute war in a want to find a way to prosecute war in a want to find a way to prosecute war in a cheaper, more resilient, more cheaper, more resilient, more cheaper, more resilient, more recoverable fashion. recoverable fashion. recoverable fashion. >> And that's that's independent if you're >> And that's that's independent if you're >> And that's that's independent if you're communist or not communist or a warlord communist or not communist or a warlord communist or not communist or a warlord in in uh Democratic Republic of Congo. in in uh Democratic Republic of Congo. in in uh Democratic Republic of Congo. We all understand that. We don't want to We all understand that. We don't want to We all understand that. We don't want to just throw people to the wolves. We want just throw people to the wolves. We want just throw people to the wolves. We want to find a way to make it productive. to find a way to make it productive. to find a way to make it productive. That's why Russia throws criminals into That's why Russia throws criminals into That's why Russia throws criminals into war because those are the least war because those are the least war because those are the least productive people in society. So when we productive people in society. So when we productive people in society. So when we think about World War II, we have to think about World War II, we have to think about World War II, we have to give up the notion that it's going to give up the notion that it's going to give up the notion that it's going to look the way we think it's going to look the way we think it's going to look the way we think it's going to look. If we think it's going to look look. If we think it's going to look look. If we think it's going to look anything like World War II, you got to anything like World War II, you got to anything like World War II, you got to give up that notion and start thinking, give up that notion and start thinking, give up that notion and start thinking, how would I prosecute war? how would I prosecute war? how would I prosecute war? >> But do you think it's really going to >> But do you think it's really going to >> But do you think it's really going to stop being kinetic? Because when I think stop being kinetic? Because when I think stop being kinetic? Because when I think about what the next war is going to look about what the next war is going to look about what the next war is going to look like, it looks like Russia, Ukraine. It like, it looks like Russia, Ukraine. It like, it looks like Russia, Ukraine. It looks like a bunch of fiber optic cables looks like a bunch of fiber optic cables looks like a bunch of fiber optic cables everywhere, drones all over the place. everywhere, drones all over the place. everywhere, drones all over the place. And it seems like um from the footage And it seems like um from the footage And it seems like um from the footage that I've seen that that's what we're that I've seen that that's what we're that I've seen that that's what we're seeing right now with a lot of what Iran seeing right now with a lot of what Iran seeing right now with a lot of what Iran is doing. It looks like Russia Ukraine is doing. It looks like Russia Ukraine is doing. It looks like Russia Ukraine but a little bit more advanced. Like but a little bit more advanced. Like but a little bit more advanced. Like they the drones instead of you know it's they the drones instead of you know it's they the drones instead of you know it's like they look like miniature like jet like they look like miniature like jet like they look like miniature like jet fighters. You know what I mean? fighters. You know what I mean? fighters. You know what I mean? >> Um so >> Um so >> Um so >> it will be kinetic. I agree. It will be >> it will be kinetic. I agree. It will be >> it will be kinetic. I agree. It will be kinetic. kinetic. kinetic. >> The kinetic targets will be different. >> The kinetic targets will be different. >> The kinetic targets will be different. >> It used to be that ainetic >> It used to be that ainetic >> It used to be that ainetic >> data centers now it's part of it. It's >> data centers now it's part of it. It's >> data centers now it's part of it. It's crazy. crazy. crazy. >> Yeah. A kinetic a kinetic target in the >> Yeah. A kinetic a kinetic target in the >> Yeah. A kinetic a kinetic target in the past used to be an electrical grid or it past used to be an electrical grid or it past used to be an electrical grid or it used to be a bunker that held artillery used to be a bunker that held artillery used to be a bunker that held artillery rounds. Well, and you used to use rounds. Well, and you used to use rounds. Well, and you used to use artillery to launch indiscriminately in artillery to launch indiscriminately in artillery to launch indiscriminately in a general direction to try to blow up a a general direction to try to blow up a a general direction to try to blow up a bunch of people. bunch of people. bunch of people. >> Well, now you don't need to do that. Now >> Well, now you don't need to do that. Now >> Well, now you don't need to do that. Now you can fly a drone. You can fly a drone you can fly a drone. You can fly a drone you can fly a drone. You can fly a drone with FPV that hits a specific soldier if with FPV that hits a specific soldier if with FPV that hits a specific soldier if you choose to. Well, now as you get into you choose to. Well, now as you get into you choose to. Well, now as you get into the opportunity for automated weapons, I the opportunity for automated weapons, I the opportunity for automated weapons, I mean, laserg guided munitions, which mean, laserg guided munitions, which mean, laserg guided munitions, which have been around since the '9s, have been around since the '9s, have been around since the '9s, basically just means that someone can basically just means that someone can basically just means that someone can sit two miles over there and put an sit two miles over there and put an sit two miles over there and put an invisible laser on you and a munition invisible laser on you and a munition invisible laser on you and a munition can be flown from 200 miles that can be flown from 200 miles that can be flown from 200 miles that direction and hit you. Exactly. direction and hit you. Exactly. direction and hit you. Exactly. >> Is wild. >> Is wild. >> Is wild. >> That's technology that's been around >> That's technology that's been around >> That's technology that's been around since the '9s. All we're doing with AI since the '9s. All we're doing with AI since the '9s. All we're doing with AI now is essentially like saying wherever now is essentially like saying wherever now is essentially like saying wherever this cell phone signal is. When you can this cell phone signal is. When you can this cell phone signal is. When you can match the cell phone signal with the match the cell phone signal with the match the cell phone signal with the typical uh algorithmic movement of a typical uh algorithmic movement of a typical uh algorithmic movement of a human being walking when those two human being walking when those two human being walking when those two things exist, things exist, things exist, >> deploy your your lethal force. Right? >> deploy your your lethal force. Right? >> deploy your your lethal force. Right? That's what in that's what an aton That's what in that's what an aton That's what in that's what an aton that's an automated weapon. Not even that's an automated weapon. Not even that's an automated weapon. Not even autonomous weapon. That's just an autonomous weapon. That's just an autonomous weapon. That's just an automated weapon. we we will go in that automated weapon. we we will go in that automated weapon. we we will go in that direction so that munitions can be used direction so that munitions can be used direction so that munitions can be used to deliver maximum damage at minimum to deliver maximum damage at minimum to deliver maximum damage at minimum cost. So I I there will always be a cost. So I I there will always be a cost. So I I there will always be a kinetic element to warfare, but it will kinetic element to warfare, but it will kinetic element to warfare, but it will never be so I don't think it will ever never be so I don't think it will ever never be so I don't think it will ever be as kinetic as what we saw in World be as kinetic as what we saw in World be as kinetic as what we saw in World War II, and I don't think it will be as War II, and I don't think it will be as War II, and I don't think it will be as as biologically or chemical based as as biologically or chemical based as as biologically or chemical based as what we saw in World War I. It will what we saw in World War I. It will what we saw in World War I. It will continue to change because people want continue to change because people want continue to change because people want to capture the economic benefit of to capture the economic benefit of to capture the economic benefit of whatever they just want. It's the same whatever they just want. It's the same whatever they just want. It's the same thing that you were saying about why we thing that you were saying about why we thing that you were saying about why we attacked missile fields and uh and attacked missile fields and uh and attacked missile fields and uh and leadership instead of oil fields and oil leadership instead of oil fields and oil leadership instead of oil fields and oil infrastructure in Iran. infrastructure in Iran. infrastructure in Iran. >> All right, put your um proxy hat on. So, >> All right, put your um proxy hat on. So, >> All right, put your um proxy hat on. So, we bring China back into the picture. Um we bring China back into the picture. Um we bring China back into the picture. Um both China and Russia had an opportunity both China and Russia had an opportunity both China and Russia had an opportunity to stand up for Iran. to stand up for Iran. to stand up for Iran. China more so. Um Russia basically not China more so. Um Russia basically not China more so. Um Russia basically not at all. What do you make of the at all. What do you make of the at all. What do you make of the behaviors of China and Russia in light behaviors of China and Russia in light behaviors of China and Russia in light of this really is about China? of this really is about China? of this really is about China? They know that there's no that when you They know that there's no that when you They know that there's no that when you have a pragmatic relationship, right? have a pragmatic relationship, right? have a pragmatic relationship, right? When you have a friend with benefits When you have a friend with benefits When you have a friend with benefits instead of a wife, instead of a wife, instead of a wife, you don't volunteer that information. you don't volunteer that information. you don't volunteer that information. Don't back up your friend with benefits Don't back up your friend with benefits Don't back up your friend with benefits whenever they're like out of rent, when whenever they're like out of rent, when whenever they're like out of rent, when they can't pay their bills or when they can't pay their bills or when they can't pay their bills or when they're struggling or when they get, you they're struggling or when they get, you they're struggling or when they get, you know, when the police arrest them or know, when the police arrest them or know, when the police arrest them or when they end up in the emergency room, when they end up in the emergency room, when they end up in the emergency room, you rush to your wife cuz she's you rush to your wife cuz she's you rush to your wife cuz she's ideologically aligned with you. You ideologically aligned with you. You ideologically aligned with you. You don't rush to your mistress. You're don't rush to your mistress. You're don't rush to your mistress. You're like, "Oh, you're in the ER. I'll get to like, "Oh, you're in the ER. I'll get to like, "Oh, you're in the ER. I'll get to you when I have a second." That's the you when I have a second." That's the you when I have a second." That's the same thing that the relationship that's same thing that the relationship that's same thing that the relationship that's the same type of relationship that the same type of relationship that the same type of relationship that exists between Russia, China, and Iran. exists between Russia, China, and Iran. exists between Russia, China, and Iran. It's more of a mistress than a spouse. It's more of a mistress than a spouse. It's more of a mistress than a spouse. So they still want to hook up, but So they still want to hook up, but So they still want to hook up, but they're not going to risk they're not going to risk they're not going to risk geopolitical blowback from all over the geopolitical blowback from all over the geopolitical blowback from all over the world when they're trying to really world when they're trying to really world when they're trying to really position themselves like China position themselves like China position themselves like China especially is really trying to position especially is really trying to position especially is really trying to position itself as a counter force, a stabilizing itself as a counter force, a stabilizing itself as a counter force, a stabilizing force versus the United States's force versus the United States's force versus the United States's unstabilizing nature. unstabilizing nature. unstabilizing nature. >> That is so wild. But so it's in their >> That is so wild. But so it's in their >> That is so wild. But so it's in their best interest to to best interest to to best interest to to >> look like the adult, >> look like the adult, >> look like the adult, >> not say anything, offer humanitarian >> not say anything, offer humanitarian >> not say anything, offer humanitarian aid, which I guarantee you is coming, aid, which I guarantee you is coming, aid, which I guarantee you is coming, offer financial aid and infrastructure offer financial aid and infrastructure offer financial aid and infrastructure support, which I guarantee is coming. support, which I guarantee is coming. support, which I guarantee is coming. When we left Afghanistan, who swooped When we left Afghanistan, who swooped When we left Afghanistan, who swooped in? China. China. China knows this in? China. China. China knows this in? China. China. China knows this playbook because they've learned it from playbook because they've learned it from playbook because they've learned it from us. us. us. >> And now they're watching us experiment >> And now they're watching us experiment >> And now they're watching us experiment with a new playbook. A playbook that we with a new playbook. A playbook that we with a new playbook. A playbook that we call doctrinally inside the Department call doctrinally inside the Department call doctrinally inside the Department of War and inside the White House. We of War and inside the White House. We of War and inside the White House. We call this peace through strength. Peace call this peace through strength. Peace call this peace through strength. Peace through strength. through strength. through strength. Anybody who's a military strategic Anybody who's a military strategic Anybody who's a military strategic sciences sciences sciences nerd out there is going to understand nerd out there is going to understand nerd out there is going to understand that when you talk about political that when you talk about political that when you talk about political science and military doctrine, power and science and military doctrine, power and science and military doctrine, power and strength are two very different things. strength are two very different things. strength are two very different things. >> Power is the sum total of all of your >> Power is the sum total of all of your >> Power is the sum total of all of your capabilities. capabilities. capabilities. Strength is the limit of one capability. Strength is the limit of one capability. Strength is the limit of one capability. So lots of different strengths So lots of different strengths So lots of different strengths constitute your power. So peace through constitute your power. So peace through constitute your power. So peace through power makes sense because you basically power makes sense because you basically power makes sense because you basically have unlimited capabilities. Influence, have unlimited capabilities. Influence, have unlimited capabilities. Influence, diplomacy, kinetic weapons, cyber diplomacy, kinetic weapons, cyber diplomacy, kinetic weapons, cyber attacks, offensive, defensive powers, attacks, offensive, defensive powers, attacks, offensive, defensive powers, nuclear weapons, space-based weapons, nuclear weapons, space-based weapons, nuclear weapons, space-based weapons, whatever you want, right? Power is whatever you want, right? Power is whatever you want, right? Power is infinite. Strength is inherently infinite. Strength is inherently infinite. Strength is inherently limited. Once your rockets are spent, limited. Once your rockets are spent, limited. Once your rockets are spent, you're not strong anymore. When you go you're not strong anymore. When you go you're not strong anymore. When you go to the gym, you have a very different to the gym, you have a very different to the gym, you have a very different level of strength than when you leave level of strength than when you leave level of strength than when you leave the gym 90 minutes later. So peace the gym 90 minutes later. So peace the gym 90 minutes later. So peace through strength for everybody out there through strength for everybody out there through strength for everybody out there who's looking at the United States and who's looking at the United States and who's looking at the United States and trying to think how how we how would we trying to think how how we how would we trying to think how how we how would we prosecute conflict with the United prosecute conflict with the United prosecute conflict with the United States, they're realizing like, oh [ __ ] States, they're realizing like, oh [ __ ] States, they're realizing like, oh [ __ ] the United States is going to the United States is going to the United States is going to essentially blow their load with this essentially blow their load with this essentially blow their load with this strength play and leave themselves empty strength play and leave themselves empty strength play and leave themselves empty of power because the more that we do of power because the more that we do of power because the more that we do things like kill heads of state and things like kill heads of state and things like kill heads of state and render people we disagree with, we render people we disagree with, we render people we disagree with, we actually lose power because one of the actually lose power because one of the actually lose power because one of the power tools is influence. So now Europe power tools is influence. So now Europe power tools is influence. So now Europe doesn't want to deal with us. Africa doesn't want to deal with us. Africa doesn't want to deal with us. Africa doesn't really want to deal with us. doesn't really want to deal with us. doesn't really want to deal with us. Asia doesn't really want to deal with Asia doesn't really want to deal with Asia doesn't really want to deal with us. Latin America doesn't want to, but us. Latin America doesn't want to, but us. Latin America doesn't want to, but is forced to because we're their number is forced to because we're their number is forced to because we're their number one priority, apparently, or they're our one priority, apparently, or they're our one priority, apparently, or they're our number one priority. So, we're literally number one priority. So, we're literally number one priority. So, we're literally reducing our power by demonstrating all reducing our power by demonstrating all reducing our power by demonstrating all this strength. And then economically, if this strength. And then economically, if this strength. And then economically, if we can't back it up, then what's going we can't back it up, then what's going we can't back it up, then what's going to replace the strength that we've to replace the strength that we've to replace the strength that we've spent? the actual cruise missiles, the spent? the actual cruise missiles, the spent? the actual cruise missiles, the actual soldiers, the actual deployed actual soldiers, the actual deployed actual soldiers, the actual deployed boats that now live 2,000 miles away boats that now live 2,000 miles away boats that now live 2,000 miles away from home. What are we going to use when from home. What are we going to use when from home. What are we going to use when something pops up that we need a boat or something pops up that we need a boat or something pops up that we need a boat or a naval armada here in the United States a naval armada here in the United States a naval armada here in the United States or in the South China Seas? or in the South China Seas? or in the South China Seas? >> Yeah. Okay. So, one more China um thing >> Yeah. Okay. So, one more China um thing >> Yeah. Okay. So, one more China um thing on the table. So, they have said on the table. So, they have said on the table. So, they have said publicly many times that they plan to publicly many times that they plan to publicly many times that they plan to take Taiwan in 2027 or by 2027. Um the take Taiwan in 2027 or by 2027. Um the take Taiwan in 2027 or by 2027. Um the supposedly the US government has supposedly the US government has supposedly the US government has notified like Apple and other major notified like Apple and other major notified like Apple and other major companies with big um things in China or companies with big um things in China or companies with big um things in China or Taiwan. They've notified them of that so Taiwan. They've notified them of that so Taiwan. They've notified them of that so that they can begin making plans. Um, that they can begin making plans. Um, that they can begin making plans. Um, how much of this do you think is China how much of this do you think is China how much of this do you think is China biting their time, letting America make biting their time, letting America make biting their time, letting America make potential mistakes so that they can potential mistakes so that they can potential mistakes so that they can waltz in and take Taiwan and be like, waltz in and take Taiwan and be like, waltz in and take Taiwan and be like, "You guys are busy over here spending "You guys are busy over here spending "You guys are busy over here spending your power, spending your strength uh, your power, spending your strength uh, your power, spending your strength uh, foolishly, and so now we're just going foolishly, and so now we're just going foolishly, and so now we're just going to take it." to take it." to take it." >> Yeah, I think that's a big part of their >> Yeah, I think that's a big part of their >> Yeah, I think that's a big part of their strategy right now. Well, if if somebody strategy right now. Well, if if somebody strategy right now. Well, if if somebody else is if you're in competition with a else is if you're in competition with a else is if you're in competition with a neighbor, you're trying to make your neighbor, you're trying to make your neighbor, you're trying to make your house worth more than your neighbor's house worth more than your neighbor's house worth more than your neighbor's house, and your neighbor is like smoking house, and your neighbor is like smoking house, and your neighbor is like smoking inside, having big weekend parties where inside, having big weekend parties where inside, having big weekend parties where a bunch of people come over and break a bunch of people come over and break a bunch of people come over and break glass and throw up on the floor, you're glass and throw up on the floor, you're glass and throw up on the floor, you're not even going to invest in your own not even going to invest in your own not even going to invest in your own house. You're just like, I I'm happy to house. You're just like, I I'm happy to house. You're just like, I I'm happy to just live in my house. They are just live in my house. They are just live in my house. They are literally reducing the value of their literally reducing the value of their literally reducing the value of their house every day. So, a big part of house every day. So, a big part of house every day. So, a big part of China's China's China's cultural cultural cultural approach to conflict is to wait out the approach to conflict is to wait out the approach to conflict is to wait out the opponent, to just let them opponent, to just let them opponent, to just let them self-destruct. self-destruct. self-destruct. That's what they've been doing all That's what they've been doing all That's what they've been doing all through the global war on terror. when through the global war on terror. when through the global war on terror. when China really pivoted and became a China really pivoted and became a China really pivoted and became a nearper competitor was over the 22-year nearper competitor was over the 22-year nearper competitor was over the 22-year war that we had with in Afghanistan and war that we had with in Afghanistan and war that we had with in Afghanistan and Iraq. They stole our technology, Iraq. They stole our technology, Iraq. They stole our technology, replicated it for themselves, became a replicated it for themselves, became a replicated it for themselves, became a secondary option for the same technology secondary option for the same technology secondary option for the same technology that we had been selling only now that we had been selling only now that we had been selling only now they're doing it. So now the whole world they're doing it. So now the whole world they're doing it. So now the whole world has two choices where they previously has two choices where they previously has two choices where they previously only had one choice for technological um only had one choice for technological um only had one choice for technological um products, phones, computers, servers, products, phones, computers, servers, products, phones, computers, servers, electric vehicles, satellites, electric vehicles, satellites, electric vehicles, satellites, telecommunication, you name it, right? telecommunication, you name it, right? telecommunication, you name it, right? And China's options were cheaper and And China's options were cheaper and And China's options were cheaper and China's options performed almost as well China's options performed almost as well China's options performed almost as well as American options because not only as American options because not only as American options because not only were they stealing our tech, but they were they stealing our tech, but they were they stealing our tech, but they were stealing European tech, too. So, were stealing European tech, too. So, were stealing European tech, too. So, they were making their own kind of they were making their own kind of they were making their own kind of Frankenstein of the best of both worlds. Frankenstein of the best of both worlds. Frankenstein of the best of both worlds. Well, then we woke up in 2022 and we're Well, then we woke up in 2022 and we're Well, then we woke up in 2022 and we're like, "Holy [ __ ] China is now a like, "Holy [ __ ] China is now a like, "Holy [ __ ] China is now a nearpeer competitor." They went from nearpeer competitor." They went from nearpeer competitor." They went from being a backwoods country, being a backwoods country, being a backwoods country, silly communist country in, you know, silly communist country in, you know, silly communist country in, you know, 2000 to being a a a literal nearpeer 2000 to being a a a literal nearpeer 2000 to being a a a literal nearpeer competitor at pace with countries like competitor at pace with countries like competitor at pace with countries like Russia that have always been a Russia that have always been a Russia that have always been a competitor with the United States going competitor with the United States going competitor with the United States going back to the end of the Cold War, the end back to the end of the Cold War, the end back to the end of the Cold War, the end of World War II. So, China knows that it of World War II. So, China knows that it of World War II. So, China knows that it can be patient. On top of that, China can be patient. On top of that, China can be patient. On top of that, China also recognizes that every day that they also recognizes that every day that they also recognizes that every day that they spend building munitions that the United spend building munitions that the United spend building munitions that the United States spends using munitions, they now States spends using munitions, they now States spends using munitions, they now have a dominant position in terms of have a dominant position in terms of have a dominant position in terms of surplus of actual war capability power. surplus of actual war capability power. surplus of actual war capability power. And then their number one interest is And then their number one interest is And then their number one interest is unification with Taiwan, which lies what unification with Taiwan, which lies what unification with Taiwan, which lies what 150 miles off their coast. The United 150 miles off their coast. The United 150 miles off their coast. The United States has to play an away game to get States has to play an away game to get States has to play an away game to get to Taiwan. to Taiwan. to Taiwan. >> Yeah. And China recognizes that that >> Yeah. And China recognizes that that >> Yeah. And China recognizes that that modern-day warfare looks nothing like modern-day warfare looks nothing like modern-day warfare looks nothing like old world warfare. Even going back to old world warfare. Even going back to old world warfare. Even going back to SunSu and the art of war, SunSu talks SunSu and the art of war, SunSu talks SunSu and the art of war, SunSu talks about how you have to adjust your about how you have to adjust your about how you have to adjust your strategy for warfare based on the strategy for warfare based on the strategy for warfare based on the environment and the time of day and the environment and the time of day and the environment and the time of day and the and the enemy that you're fighting. So and the enemy that you're fighting. So and the enemy that you're fighting. So the Chinese have always thought that the Chinese have always thought that the Chinese have always thought that way. Where the United States, we are way. Where the United States, we are way. Where the United States, we are very much a a hammer and nail kind of very much a a hammer and nail kind of very much a a hammer and nail kind of country. It's like, oh, where's the next country. It's like, oh, where's the next country. It's like, oh, where's the next nail that I can use my hammer on, right? nail that I can use my hammer on, right? nail that I can use my hammer on, right? Bomb, bomb, missile, bomb, troops, Bomb, bomb, missile, bomb, troops, Bomb, bomb, missile, bomb, troops, tanks. That's that's what we do. That's tanks. That's that's what we do. That's tanks. That's that's what we do. That's what got us through World War II. what got us through World War II. what got us through World War II. China's not like that. China's like, "We China's not like that. China's like, "We China's not like that. China's like, "We could use a cyber attack." In at the end could use a cyber attack." In at the end could use a cyber attack." In at the end of 2024, of 2024, of 2024, at the end of 2024, at the end of 2024, at the end of 2024, Chinese covert influence successfully Chinese covert influence successfully Chinese covert influence successfully turned the Congress, the the Parliament turned the Congress, the the Parliament turned the Congress, the the Parliament of Taiwan into a majorly pro-unification of Taiwan into a majorly pro-unification of Taiwan into a majorly pro-unification >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Parliament. So, just I I'm I'm verbose >> Parliament. So, just I I'm I'm verbose >> Parliament. So, just I I'm I'm verbose and I'm sorry if I'm boring you, but and I'm sorry if I'm boring you, but and I'm sorry if I'm boring you, but >> Oh, man. >> Oh, man. >> Oh, man. >> But that's what China's doing. They're >> But that's what China's doing. They're >> But that's what China's doing. They're they're using all the tools of power they're using all the tools of power they're using all the tools of power >> to win Taiwan without us even noticing. >> to win Taiwan without us even noticing. >> to win Taiwan without us even noticing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the ultimate victory, even in Sunsu, >> And the ultimate victory, even in Sunsu, >> And the ultimate victory, even in Sunsu, the ultimate victory is when the enemy the ultimate victory is when the enemy the ultimate victory is when the enemy just joins you. And they already have just joins you. And they already have just joins you. And they already have the KMT party in the majority position the KMT party in the majority position the KMT party in the majority position of Taiwan's parliament. That's 50% of of Taiwan's parliament. That's 50% of of Taiwan's parliament. That's 50% of the battle. They may never need to even the battle. They may never need to even the battle. They may never need to even risk blowing up a center of energy or a risk blowing up a center of energy or a risk blowing up a center of energy or a data center or any kind of manufacturing data center or any kind of manufacturing data center or any kind of manufacturing base. They might just get Taiwan to say, base. They might just get Taiwan to say, base. They might just get Taiwan to say, "We want to be part of China ourselves." "We want to be part of China ourselves." "We want to be part of China ourselves." >> That would be wild. >> That would be wild. >> That would be wild. >> Could it happen by 2027? I don't know. >> Could it happen by 2027? I don't know. >> Could it happen by 2027? I don't know. But that's the other thing that's But that's the other thing that's But that's the other thing that's beautiful is Xiinping beautiful is Xiinping beautiful is Xiinping >> said 2027, but he's the he's the leader >> said 2027, but he's the he's the leader >> said 2027, but he's the he's the leader of the country. He can always say, of the country. He can always say, of the country. He can always say, "We're going to change that to 2029, "We're going to change that to 2029, "We're going to change that to 2029, folks. We're going to change that to folks. We're going to change that to folks. We're going to change that to 2035." He chooses whatever he wants. 2035." He chooses whatever he wants. 2035." He chooses whatever he wants. Especially if the United States is busy Especially if the United States is busy Especially if the United States is busy killing itself, dividing itself, killing itself, dividing itself, killing itself, dividing itself, subdividing itself, subdividing itself, subdividing itself, >> making enemies of the rest of the world. >> making enemies of the rest of the world. >> making enemies of the rest of the world. All of a sudden, Taiwan may not become All of a sudden, Taiwan may not become All of a sudden, Taiwan may not become their number one priority. Maybe Taiwan their number one priority. Maybe Taiwan their number one priority. Maybe Taiwan is going to be like, "Hey, they're is going to be like, "Hey, they're is going to be like, "Hey, they're already on a slippery slope to rejoining already on a slippery slope to rejoining already on a slippery slope to rejoining us. Let's focus now on Iran." us. Let's focus now on Iran." us. Let's focus now on Iran." >> All right. You brought up a couple times >> All right. You brought up a couple times >> All right. You brought up a couple times the idea of being divided. How divided the idea of being divided. How divided the idea of being divided. How divided do you think Iran is? So, it's I think do you think Iran is? So, it's I think do you think Iran is? So, it's I think about what America looks like from the about what America looks like from the about what America looks like from the outside. And if you look at Minnesota, outside. And if you look at Minnesota, outside. And if you look at Minnesota, it looks like we're just bitterly it looks like we're just bitterly it looks like we're just bitterly divided. If you're walking down the divided. If you're walking down the divided. If you're walking down the average street, though, you know, it average street, though, you know, it average street, though, you know, it looks fine. You can look at one protest looks fine. You can look at one protest looks fine. You can look at one protest and it's uh Iranians, Jewish Americans, and it's uh Iranians, Jewish Americans, and it's uh Iranians, Jewish Americans, and Americans like all out waving each and Americans like all out waving each and Americans like all out waving each other's flags and celebrating after other's flags and celebrating after other's flags and celebrating after Kumeni was killed. Um, and so you're Kumeni was killed. Um, and so you're Kumeni was killed. Um, and so you're seeing stuff come out of Iran where it's seeing stuff come out of Iran where it's seeing stuff come out of Iran where it's like, oh, progovernment people are like, oh, progovernment people are like, oh, progovernment people are marching. Oh, wait. Anti-government marching. Oh, wait. Anti-government marching. Oh, wait. Anti-government people are marching. Do you have any people are marching. Do you have any people are marching. Do you have any sense of like who's bigger? Is it 8020? sense of like who's bigger? Is it 8020? sense of like who's bigger? Is it 8020? What does that look like? What does that look like? What does that look like? >> I have no I have no idea. And and what I >> I have no I have no idea. And and what I >> I have no I have no idea. And and what I love about your question is that we have love about your question is that we have love about your question is that we have to recognize that nobody who speaks to recognize that nobody who speaks to recognize that nobody who speaks English and not English and not English and not >> Farsy >> Farsy >> Farsy >> has any idea. So when you see something >> has any idea. So when you see something >> has any idea. So when you see something in the newspaper, when you see something in the newspaper, when you see something in the newspaper, when you see something on Twitter, when you see something hit on Twitter, when you see something hit on Twitter, when you see something hit your social media feed, oh my gosh, your social media feed, oh my gosh, your social media feed, oh my gosh, pro-Iranian protests are in the street. pro-Iranian protests are in the street. pro-Iranian protests are in the street. People are crying about the death of People are crying about the death of People are crying about the death of Kamani. Kamani. Kamani. That can be true without being 80% of That can be true without being 80% of That can be true without being 80% of the population. And vice versa. I'm sure the population. And vice versa. I'm sure the population. And vice versa. I'm sure that there are people who are waving in that there are people who are waving in that there are people who are waving in the streets and very excited and setting the streets and very excited and setting the streets and very excited and setting off fireworks that Kamani is dead. off fireworks that Kamani is dead. off fireworks that Kamani is dead. >> But does that make them the 80%? I don't >> But does that make them the 80%? I don't >> But does that make them the 80%? I don't know. And and I have to push back. I know. And and I have to push back. I know. And and I have to push back. I have to challenge anybody who tries to have to challenge anybody who tries to have to challenge anybody who tries to say they know how that's going to turn say they know how that's going to turn say they know how that's going to turn out because the person today who loves out because the person today who loves out because the person today who loves the fact that Kani was killed when their the fact that Kani was killed when their the fact that Kani was killed when their water doesn't work in three days, they water doesn't work in three days, they water doesn't work in three days, they may not love the fact that Kani was may not love the fact that Kani was may not love the fact that Kani was killed. killed. killed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Anything can change, right? I'm I'm a >> Anything can change, right? I'm I'm a >> Anything can change, right? I'm I'm a pro- US person today because they killed pro- US person today because they killed pro- US person today because they killed the Ayatollah, but then a spare Israeli the Ayatollah, but then a spare Israeli the Ayatollah, but then a spare Israeli bomb kills my daughter at her school bomb kills my daughter at her school bomb kills my daughter at her school tomorrow and now I'm not pro- Israel in tomorrow and now I'm not pro- Israel in tomorrow and now I'm not pro- Israel in the United States anymore. every day the United States anymore. every day the United States anymore. every day that this thing goes on, it becomes less that this thing goes on, it becomes less that this thing goes on, it becomes less and less predictable and the first day and less predictable and the first day and less predictable and the first day that it started, we had no idea how it that it started, we had no idea how it that it started, we had no idea how it was going to go. was going to go. was going to go. >> So, it's one of those things where like >> So, it's one of those things where like >> So, it's one of those things where like >> this really speaks to me. It really >> this really speaks to me. It really >> this really speaks to me. It really shows me the lack of prudent shows me the lack of prudent shows me the lack of prudent combat decision-m and experience that combat decision-m and experience that combat decision-m and experience that surrounds the president in his perch on surrounds the president in his perch on surrounds the president in his perch on at the White House. This is why you're at the White House. This is why you're at the White House. This is why you're supposed to have advisers who have supposed to have advisers who have supposed to have advisers who have combat experience and who have been in combat experience and who have been in combat experience and who have been in war and who have served in their war and who have served in their war and who have served in their positions for a long period of time and positions for a long period of time and positions for a long period of time and who who speak truth to you so that you who who speak truth to you so that you who who speak truth to you so that you don't make these decisions lightly. And don't make these decisions lightly. And don't make these decisions lightly. And instead we have a guy with no military instead we have a guy with no military instead we have a guy with no military experience as the department of war. experience as the department of war. experience as the department of war. We've got a guy with no military expense We've got a guy with no military expense We've got a guy with no military expense experience as department of state. We experience as department of state. We experience as department of state. We have the president and the three of them have the president and the three of them have the president and the three of them together are basically the the holy together are basically the the holy together are basically the the holy trinity of foreign policy right now. And trinity of foreign policy right now. And trinity of foreign policy right now. And that foreign policy is coming at the that foreign policy is coming at the that foreign policy is coming at the edge of a knife. edge of a knife. edge of a knife. >> All right. It would be irresponsible of >> All right. It would be irresponsible of >> All right. It would be irresponsible of me not to ask a former CIA agent what me not to ask a former CIA agent what me not to ask a former CIA agent what every time I see what's going on in the every time I see what's going on in the every time I see what's going on in the Middle East, especially with Israel in Middle East, especially with Israel in Middle East, especially with Israel in the mix, I am blown away by the the mix, I am blown away by the the mix, I am blown away by the intelligence. intelligence. intelligence. What will it have been like for What will it have been like for What will it have been like for clandestine agents in the buildup to clandestine agents in the buildup to clandestine agents in the buildup to this? this? this? >> Israel has the most expansive network of >> Israel has the most expansive network of >> Israel has the most expansive network of human sources in all of Iran. and what human sources in all of Iran. and what human sources in all of Iran. and what those sources look like and what they do those sources look like and what they do those sources look like and what they do and how they work. The United States and how they work. The United States and how they work. The United States would never know. We would never get to would never know. We would never get to would never know. We would never get to know because Israel's source protection know because Israel's source protection know because Israel's source protection process as a professional intelligence process as a professional intelligence process as a professional intelligence organization would protect their sources organization would protect their sources organization would protect their sources so well that we wouldn't know. We would so well that we wouldn't know. We would so well that we wouldn't know. We would just get the intel that Israel chooses just get the intel that Israel chooses just get the intel that Israel chooses to share with us. Um however, Israel's to share with us. Um however, Israel's to share with us. Um however, Israel's technical capabilities for leveraging technical capabilities for leveraging technical capabilities for leveraging technical surveillance, satellite based technical surveillance, satellite based technical surveillance, satellite based surveillance, um uh airplanes that are surveillance, um uh airplanes that are surveillance, um uh airplanes that are able to collect signals, intelligence, able to collect signals, intelligence, able to collect signals, intelligence, boats that are able to connect signals, boats that are able to connect signals, boats that are able to connect signals, intelligence, tapping into underground, intelligence, tapping into underground, intelligence, tapping into underground, underwater cables or underground cables, underwater cables or underground cables, underwater cables or underground cables, all that technological, um power really all that technological, um power really all that technological, um power really sits with the United States more than sits with the United States more than sits with the United States more than Israel. They have capability, but their Israel. They have capability, but their Israel. They have capability, but their capability can't compete with the United capability can't compete with the United capability can't compete with the United States's capability. So you would have States's capability. So you would have States's capability. So you would have their whole human network would come their whole human network would come their whole human network would come alive. Israel would basically say, "Hey, alive. Israel would basically say, "Hey, alive. Israel would basically say, "Hey, we want to get as much information, as we want to get as much information, as we want to get as much information, as much intelligence as possible on the much intelligence as possible on the much intelligence as possible on the ground about five or seven different ground about five or seven different ground about five or seven different priorities. Kani, the head of the IRGC, priorities. Kani, the head of the IRGC, priorities. Kani, the head of the IRGC, you know, these various leaders, when you know, these various leaders, when you know, these various leaders, when are they meeting, where are they are they meeting, where are they are they meeting, where are they meeting, etc. It wouldn't be meeting, etc. It wouldn't be meeting, etc. It wouldn't be intelligence about the attitude of the intelligence about the attitude of the intelligence about the attitude of the people. That's not what would be people. That's not what would be people. That's not what would be prioritized. What would be prioritized prioritized. What would be prioritized prioritized. What would be prioritized is plans, intentions, locations, is plans, intentions, locations, is plans, intentions, locations, movements, etc. And then of course there movements, etc. And then of course there movements, etc. And then of course there would be a whole separate amount of would be a whole separate amount of would be a whole separate amount of intelligence that's trying to be covered intelligence that's trying to be covered intelligence that's trying to be covered on how will they respond, how will they on how will they respond, how will they on how will they respond, how will they react, what what are their top three react, what what are their top three react, what what are their top three executables, what is the what is the executables, what is the what is the executables, what is the what is the shelf plan like? What is the contingency shelf plan like? What is the contingency shelf plan like? What is the contingency plan? What folder will they take off the plan? What folder will they take off the plan? What folder will they take off the shelf? Turn to page one checklist item shelf? Turn to page one checklist item shelf? Turn to page one checklist item one launch against Herbiel check. Like one launch against Herbiel check. Like one launch against Herbiel check. Like everybody has these contingency plans everybody has these contingency plans everybody has these contingency plans pre pre-made, pre-approved so that in pre pre-made, pre-approved so that in pre pre-made, pre-approved so that in the event of a leadership loss, you can the event of a leadership loss, you can the event of a leadership loss, you can take it off the shelf and do what the take it off the shelf and do what the take it off the shelf and do what the leader wanted. So all of that human leader wanted. So all of that human leader wanted. So all of that human network would have been brought to life network would have been brought to life network would have been brought to life by Israel simultaneously as Israel got by Israel simultaneously as Israel got by Israel simultaneously as Israel got technical what's called um um technical what's called um um technical what's called um um identifiers or identifiers or identifiers or what is the word I'm looking for my what is the word I'm looking for my what is the word I'm looking for my vocabulary is failing me but as they got vocabulary is failing me but as they got vocabulary is failing me but as they got indicators technical indicators and indicators technical indicators and indicators technical indicators and technical um unique identifiers cell technical um unique identifiers cell technical um unique identifiers cell phone numbers um actual IMEI codes from phone numbers um actual IMEI codes from phone numbers um actual IMEI codes from cell phones uh Wi-Fi details, um, cell phones uh Wi-Fi details, um, cell phones uh Wi-Fi details, um, cellular network providers, satellite cellular network providers, satellite cellular network providers, satellite phone, uh, units and frequencies. As phone, uh, units and frequencies. As phone, uh, units and frequencies. As they got these unique identifiers, then they got these unique identifiers, then they got these unique identifiers, then they would be able to use those using they would be able to use those using they would be able to use those using American technological capabilities to American technological capabilities to American technological capabilities to isolate the person using them and then isolate the person using them and then isolate the person using them and then to put essentially 24-hour surveillance to put essentially 24-hour surveillance to put essentially 24-hour surveillance on them, satellite based, aircraft on them, satellite based, aircraft on them, satellite based, aircraft based, drone based, based, drone based, based, drone based, >> ship based like the street cameras and >> ship based like the street cameras and >> ship based like the street cameras and that they had hacked inside of the that they had hacked inside of the that they had hacked inside of the military bases. They could get into military bases. They could get into military bases. They could get into their cameras. I mean, it wouldn't be a their cameras. I mean, it wouldn't be a their cameras. I mean, it wouldn't be a surprise. That would be an Israeli surprise. That would be an Israeli surprise. That would be an Israeli capability most likely because it would capability most likely because it would capability most likely because it would take years to develop that capability. take years to develop that capability. take years to develop that capability. So, if that happened, that would have So, if that happened, that would have So, if that happened, that would have been an Israeli capability, not an been an Israeli capability, not an been an Israeli capability, not an American capability. American capability. American capability. >> What's the craziest kind of thing that >> What's the craziest kind of thing that >> What's the craziest kind of thing that actually happens that obviously you can actually happens that obviously you can actually happens that obviously you can talk about? I bring that up because I talk about? I bring that up because I talk about? I bring that up because I saw a report that's probably fake, but saw a report that's probably fake, but saw a report that's probably fake, but it was like, oh, just the kind of thing it was like, oh, just the kind of thing it was like, oh, just the kind of thing that piqued my curiosity where they said that piqued my curiosity where they said that piqued my curiosity where they said that they had so many dentists that were that they had so many dentists that were that they had so many dentists that were part of MSAD that they had been part of MSAD that they had been part of MSAD that they had been implanting into these high ranking guys implanting into these high ranking guys implanting into these high ranking guys teeth like tracking devices for years teeth like tracking devices for years teeth like tracking devices for years and that was one of the ways they were and that was one of the ways they were and that was one of the ways they were able to know where all of them are and able to know where all of them are and able to know where all of them are and then boom, when they struck it was then boom, when they struck it was then boom, when they struck it was because they were very confident. because they were very confident. because they were very confident. >> I would Yeah, I would call [ __ ] on >> I would Yeah, I would call [ __ ] on >> I would Yeah, I would call [ __ ] on that. Yeah, that felt like one of those that. Yeah, that felt like one of those that. Yeah, that felt like one of those I wanted it to be real, but I was like, I wanted it to be real, but I was like, I wanted it to be real, but I was like, "Ah, "Ah, "Ah, >> there's technical issues. There's >> there's technical issues. There's >> there's technical issues. There's technical limitations with that, right? technical limitations with that, right? technical limitations with that, right? How do you put a battery inside the How do you put a battery inside the How do you put a battery inside the tracking device? How do you power the tracking device? How do you power the tracking device? How do you power the tracking device when you need it?" Like, tracking device when you need it?" Like, tracking device when you need it?" Like, there's there's problems there. Could it there's there's problems there. Could it there's there's problems there. Could it happen? Hey, anything is anything is happen? Hey, anything is anything is happen? Hey, anything is anything is possible. But is it plausible? possible. But is it plausible? possible. But is it plausible? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Not so not when there's an easier way >> Not so not when there's an easier way >> Not so not when there's an easier way than putting, you know, tracking items than putting, you know, tracking items than putting, you know, tracking items into fillings in teeth that have into fillings in teeth that have into fillings in teeth that have incredible pressure whenever you chew on incredible pressure whenever you chew on incredible pressure whenever you chew on a pine nut. Right. a pine nut. Right. a pine nut. Right. >> Yeah. So, uh, some of the craziest stuff >> Yeah. So, uh, some of the craziest stuff >> Yeah. So, uh, some of the craziest stuff I've seen is really more mundane. I I've seen is really more mundane. I I've seen is really more mundane. I think what makes it crazy is that it's think what makes it crazy is that it's think what makes it crazy is that it's so mundane when when surveillance or so mundane when when surveillance or so mundane when when surveillance or intelligence equipment is built into intelligence equipment is built into intelligence equipment is built into infrastructure when it's built into infrastructure when it's built into infrastructure when it's built into conveniences that the enemy then conveniences that the enemy then conveniences that the enemy then purchases for themselves. Right? So, purchases for themselves. Right? So, purchases for themselves. Right? So, it's like I'm going to I know that my it's like I'm going to I know that my it's like I'm going to I know that my enemy is purchasing enemy is purchasing enemy is purchasing um tractors. um tractors. um tractors. So, a tractor has enough space for you So, a tractor has enough space for you So, a tractor has enough space for you to put on a tracking device, a self an a to put on a tracking device, a self an a to put on a tracking device, a self an a covert cell tower. covert cell tower. covert cell tower. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> A large battery >> A large battery >> A large battery >> cell tower. >> cell tower. >> cell tower. >> So now, wherever that tractor goes, it's >> So now, wherever that tractor goes, it's >> So now, wherever that tractor goes, it's basically a hijackable cell tower that basically a hijackable cell tower that basically a hijackable cell tower that gives you data on anybody that's gives you data on anybody that's gives you data on anybody that's connected to its network. And you can connected to its network. And you can connected to its network. And you can selectively selectively selectively >> Crazy one. >> Crazy one. >> Crazy one. >> Exactly. You can selectively turn that >> Exactly. You can selectively turn that >> Exactly. You can selectively turn that stuff on or off, and everybody needs it. stuff on or off, and everybody needs it. stuff on or off, and everybody needs it. And now you can actually have the And now you can actually have the And now you can actually have the tractor built in Germany by a Austrian tractor built in Germany by a Austrian tractor built in Germany by a Austrian company carrying an American technology company carrying an American technology company carrying an American technology and then everywhere that tractor goes, and then everywhere that tractor goes, and then everywhere that tractor goes, we have a covert cell tower. we have a covert cell tower. we have a covert cell tower. >> What do you think about that Bible app >> What do you think about that Bible app >> What do you think about that Bible app that got hacked supposedly and they were that got hacked supposedly and they were that got hacked supposedly and they were like sending messages to people either like sending messages to people either like sending messages to people either right before the attack or right after? right before the attack or right after? right before the attack or right after? >> I don't know. I haven't I haven't heard >> I don't know. I haven't I haven't heard >> I don't know. I haven't I haven't heard about it, but it doesn't sound about it, but it doesn't sound about it, but it doesn't sound unrealistic. unrealistic. unrealistic. >> Yeah. Again, I I didn't spend enough >> Yeah. Again, I I didn't spend enough >> Yeah. Again, I I didn't spend enough time verifying it, but there was that. time verifying it, but there was that. time verifying it, but there was that. And then supposedly Trump had also And then supposedly Trump had also And then supposedly Trump had also hacked, not him personally, but we had hacked, not him personally, but we had hacked, not him personally, but we had hacked their television systems, like I hacked their television systems, like I hacked their television systems, like I think the actual TVs, and they were think the actual TVs, and they were think the actual TVs, and they were broadcasting a message to them um after broadcasting a message to them um after broadcasting a message to them um after the attack happened, letting them know the attack happened, letting them know the attack happened, letting them know like, hey, basically we'll offer amnesty like, hey, basically we'll offer amnesty like, hey, basically we'll offer amnesty for people that, you know, basically get for people that, you know, basically get for people that, you know, basically get on the right side here. Um so very, very on the right side here. Um so very, very on the right side here. Um so very, very interesting. It's Yeah, that kind of interesting. It's Yeah, that kind of interesting. It's Yeah, that kind of stuff is incredible. The page one really stuff is incredible. The page one really stuff is incredible. The page one really blew my mind. That's when I realized blew my mind. That's when I realized blew my mind. That's when I realized that, oh, this has been a failure of that, oh, this has been a failure of that, oh, this has been a failure of imagination on my part. The amount of imagination on my part. The amount of imagination on my part. The amount of time you would have to plan ahead for time you would have to plan ahead for time you would have to plan ahead for that is wild. And that's the the big that is wild. And that's the the big that is wild. And that's the the big thing to understand is the reason Iran thing to understand is the reason Iran thing to understand is the reason Iran was so successful, the reason Venezuela was so successful, the reason Venezuela was so successful, the reason Venezuela was so successful is because they were was so successful is because they were was so successful is because they were able to tap into a a stream of able to tap into a a stream of able to tap into a a stream of intelligence intelligence intelligence far enough in advance that they could far enough in advance that they could far enough in advance that they could execute with confidence, with high execute with confidence, with high execute with confidence, with high probability of confidence. Right now, probability of confidence. Right now, probability of confidence. Right now, Venezuela was a different beast because Venezuela was a different beast because Venezuela was a different beast because there there wasn't an attack on there there wasn't an attack on there there wasn't an attack on infrastructure. There wasn't an attack. infrastructure. There wasn't an attack. infrastructure. There wasn't an attack. There weren't missiles that came in from There weren't missiles that came in from There weren't missiles that came in from boats off. I mean, there were, but it boats off. I mean, there were, but it boats off. I mean, there were, but it wasn't the same extent, right? It it was wasn't the same extent, right? It it was wasn't the same extent, right? It it was a different type of covert operation a different type of covert operation a different type of covert operation specifically to come in and capture one specifically to come in and capture one specifically to come in and capture one person at one specific period of time person at one specific period of time person at one specific period of time with minimal collateral damage. Whereas, with minimal collateral damage. Whereas, with minimal collateral damage. Whereas, clearly with this attack, it wasn't run clearly with this attack, it wasn't run clearly with this attack, it wasn't run by the Americans. It was the Israelis by the Americans. It was the Israelis by the Americans. It was the Israelis that really ran the first round of of that really ran the first round of of that really ran the first round of of launching of attack in Iran. And it was launching of attack in Iran. And it was launching of attack in Iran. And it was a whole different beast. It was meant to a whole different beast. It was meant to a whole different beast. It was meant to topple multiple leaders at one time. It topple multiple leaders at one time. It topple multiple leaders at one time. It was meant to cause damage to military uh was meant to cause damage to military uh was meant to cause damage to military uh infrastructure that would be part of a infrastructure that would be part of a infrastructure that would be part of a counterattack. Like it was it was a counterattack. Like it was it was a counterattack. Like it was it was a different beast. So one operation different beast. So one operation different beast. So one operation probably took six months. Venezuela probably took six months. Venezuela probably took six months. Venezuela probably took about six months of probably took about six months of probably took about six months of planning. Whereas successfully planning. Whereas successfully planning. Whereas successfully prosecuting Iran would have taken years, prosecuting Iran would have taken years, prosecuting Iran would have taken years, years to build the intelligence, the years to build the intelligence, the years to build the intelligence, the network, the assets, the technical network, the assets, the technical network, the assets, the technical capabilities and then wait for the right capabilities and then wait for the right capabilities and then wait for the right moment to strike. You had said about moment to strike. You had said about moment to strike. You had said about Venezuela. You said listen, I think Venezuela. You said listen, I think Venezuela. You said listen, I think Venezuela is a decoy and the reality is Venezuela is a decoy and the reality is Venezuela is a decoy and the reality is this is the beginning of a secret war this is the beginning of a secret war this is the beginning of a secret war between the US and China. And that is between the US and China. And that is between the US and China. And that is part of my read. So my read is twofold. part of my read. So my read is twofold. part of my read. So my read is twofold. You put China as the backdrop to both You put China as the backdrop to both You put China as the backdrop to both Venezuela and Iran. Venezuela and Iran. Venezuela and Iran. >> China was buying 90% of Iran's oil. Now, >> China was buying 90% of Iran's oil. Now, >> China was buying 90% of Iran's oil. Now, that doesn't mean that 90% of China's that doesn't mean that 90% of China's that doesn't mean that 90% of China's supply is from Iran, but they were supply is from Iran, but they were supply is from Iran, but they were buying 90% of Iran's oil. So, basically, buying 90% of Iran's oil. So, basically, buying 90% of Iran's oil. So, basically, Iran is a gas station for China. We know Iran is a gas station for China. We know Iran is a gas station for China. We know that China is doing everything they can that China is doing everything they can that China is doing everything they can to get around the US sanctions. The US to get around the US sanctions. The US to get around the US sanctions. The US have been trying to control China and have been trying to control China and have been trying to control China and basically everybody else through basically everybody else through basically everybody else through sanctions. Not working as well with sanctions. Not working as well with sanctions. Not working as well with China because they have ways to get China because they have ways to get China because they have ways to get around it. Plus, they have a ton of around it. Plus, they have a ton of around it. Plus, they have a ton of leverage on us. But if you go after leverage on us. But if you go after leverage on us. But if you go after Maduro, that's one set of shadowfleet Maduro, that's one set of shadowfleet Maduro, that's one set of shadowfleet oil tankers headed to China. You go oil tankers headed to China. You go oil tankers headed to China. You go after Iran, that's another shadow fleet after Iran, that's another shadow fleet after Iran, that's another shadow fleet of oil tankers going after China, but or of oil tankers going after China, but or of oil tankers going after China, but or going to China. And part of the timing, going to China. And part of the timing, going to China. And part of the timing, I think, is he knows he's running out of I think, is he knows he's running out of I think, is he knows he's running out of time to get to the midterms. And to time to get to the midterms. And to time to get to the midterms. And to avoid the House flipping blue, he's only avoid the House flipping blue, he's only avoid the House flipping blue, he's only got one option, and that's economic got one option, and that's economic got one option, and that's economic growth. M and if people don't understand growth. M and if people don't understand growth. M and if people don't understand that Trump is reckless economically that Trump is reckless economically that Trump is reckless economically reckless and he has exactly one agenda reckless and he has exactly one agenda reckless and he has exactly one agenda and that's I'm going to spend like a and that's I'm going to spend like a and that's I'm going to spend like a fool so that I can keep getting elected fool so that I can keep getting elected fool so that I can keep getting elected which everybody now is doing on both which everybody now is doing on both which everybody now is doing on both sides of the aisle. At least I will give sides of the aisle. At least I will give sides of the aisle. At least I will give Trump that he has a strategy maybe a Trump that he has a strategy maybe a Trump that he has a strategy maybe a terrible one but he has a strategy which terrible one but he has a strategy which terrible one but he has a strategy which is to grow more than he and some people is to grow more than he and some people is to grow more than he and some people get uncomfortable with this language but get uncomfortable with this language but get uncomfortable with this language but he's going to grow more than he plans to he's going to grow more than he plans to he's going to grow more than he plans to steal. And to me, inflation is theft. steal. And to me, inflation is theft. steal. And to me, inflation is theft. And so when you're deficit spending, you And so when you're deficit spending, you And so when you're deficit spending, you are stealing from the poor and working are stealing from the poor and working are stealing from the poor and working class more than anybody. You're creating class more than anybody. You're creating class more than anybody. You're creating the insane K-shaped economy that we're the insane K-shaped economy that we're the insane K-shaped economy that we're all dealing with right now. And so I see all dealing with right now. And so I see all dealing with right now. And so I see him looking at Venezuelan, it's like, him looking at Venezuelan, it's like, him looking at Venezuelan, it's like, cool, I can damage China and get control cool, I can damage China and get control cool, I can damage China and get control of however many billions of dollars of of however many billions of dollars of of however many billions of dollars of oil. I look at Iran and I can do the oil. I look at Iran and I can do the oil. I look at Iran and I can do the same. I can hurt China once again with same. I can hurt China once again with same. I can hurt China once again with their access to cheap oil and I can get their access to cheap oil and I can get their access to cheap oil and I can get control of it. And and I think this is control of it. And and I think this is control of it. And and I think this is arguably the single most important thing arguably the single most important thing arguably the single most important thing as to why they moved now. He's got $2 as to why they moved now. He's got $2 as to why they moved now. He's got $2 trillion of promises trillion of promises trillion of promises >> from the wealth that's been accumulated >> from the wealth that's been accumulated >> from the wealth that's been accumulated in the Middle East, in the Middle East, in the Middle East, >> but only about 780 to 790 billion of >> but only about 780 to 790 billion of >> but only about 780 to 790 billion of that is more or less guaranteed. So if that is more or less guaranteed. So if that is more or less guaranteed. So if he wants to get the rest of it, which is he wants to get the rest of it, which is he wants to get the rest of it, which is all sort of a smile and a handshake, all sort of a smile and a handshake, all sort of a smile and a handshake, he's got to find a way to stabilize the he's got to find a way to stabilize the he's got to find a way to stabilize the region so that they're not like, region so that they're not like, region so that they're not like, "Listen, we've got our own problems "Listen, we've got our own problems "Listen, we've got our own problems here. We're having enough trouble with here. We're having enough trouble with here. We're having enough trouble with vision 2030. We're going to deal with vision 2030. We're going to deal with vision 2030. We're going to deal with that." But if he can stabilize that, if that." But if he can stabilize that, if that." But if he can stabilize that, if he can make sure that the straight of he can make sure that the straight of he can make sure that the straight of horm uh ability to say, "Hey guys, stabilize uh ability to say, "Hey guys, stabilize the region for you. Big gamble on my the region for you. Big gamble on my the region for you. Big gamble on my part, but now I want to make sure that part, but now I want to make sure that part, but now I want to make sure that these things actually happen." And if these things actually happen." And if these things actually happen." And if you put a positive spin on that, it's you put a positive spin on that, it's you put a positive spin on that, it's looking at uniting the Middle East with looking at uniting the Middle East with looking at uniting the Middle East with economics, which I actually think is economics, which I actually think is economics, which I actually think is very smart. I just don't love that it's very smart. I just don't love that it's very smart. I just don't love that it's such a big gamble. such a big gamble. such a big gamble. >> I think that you're you're far closer to >> I think that you're you're far closer to >> I think that you're you're far closer to right than you are to wrong, for sure. right than you are to wrong, for sure. right than you are to wrong, for sure. Um, give me the parts that are wrong. Um, give me the parts that are wrong. Um, give me the parts that are wrong. >> I don't think anything's wrong. I think >> I don't think anything's wrong. I think >> I don't think anything's wrong. I think that uh there's there's a couple of that uh there's there's a couple of that uh there's there's a couple of nuances that are important to nuances that are important to nuances that are important to understand. Right. So, China's already understand. Right. So, China's already understand. Right. So, China's already deeply in bed with Iran as deeply in bed with Iran as deeply in bed with Iran as convenient partners, not as not as uh convenient partners, not as not as uh convenient partners, not as not as uh loyalist partners, not as ideologically loyalist partners, not as ideologically loyalist partners, not as ideologically aligned partners, but like you said, aligned partners, but like you said, aligned partners, but like you said, they're the fuel the gas station they're the fuel the gas station they're the fuel the gas station >> for China. China is also supporting them >> for China. China is also supporting them >> for China. China is also supporting them through their ballistic missiles and through their ballistic missiles and through their ballistic missiles and through their scientific research and through their scientific research and through their scientific research and through other technological endeavors. through other technological endeavors. through other technological endeavors. So as Iran modernizes, they're So as Iran modernizes, they're So as Iran modernizes, they're modernizing on the back of Chinese modernizing on the back of Chinese modernizing on the back of Chinese technology, which is exactly what China technology, which is exactly what China technology, which is exactly what China wants. So there's a very convenient wants. So there's a very convenient wants. So there's a very convenient relationship there for the two of them. relationship there for the two of them. relationship there for the two of them. China doesn't see that convenient China doesn't see that convenient China doesn't see that convenient relationship going away with a change in relationship going away with a change in relationship going away with a change in regime because the question is, is the regime because the question is, is the regime because the question is, is the United States actually going to replace United States actually going to replace United States actually going to replace Iran with a pro-western regime? Are they Iran with a pro-western regime? Are they Iran with a pro-western regime? Are they going to put the time and effort and and going to put the time and effort and and going to put the time and effort and and and invest into that? Is Israel going to and invest into that? Is Israel going to and invest into that? Is Israel going to try to put a pro-Israel regime in there? try to put a pro-Israel regime in there? try to put a pro-Israel regime in there? No. They're they're totally happy with No. They're they're totally happy with No. They're they're totally happy with Iran. The United States and Israel are Iran. The United States and Israel are Iran. The United States and Israel are totally happy with Iran just being a totally happy with Iran just being a totally happy with Iran just being a burnt out hole in the ground for the burnt out hole in the ground for the burnt out hole in the ground for the next 25 years. They don't care about the next 25 years. They don't care about the next 25 years. They don't care about the Iranian people. They're not there to Iranian people. They're not there to Iranian people. They're not there to rebuild democracy. They're not. And and rebuild democracy. They're not. And and rebuild democracy. They're not. And and if the clerical if the clerical if the clerical uh leadership tries to stay in power, uh leadership tries to stay in power, uh leadership tries to stay in power, the theocracy tries to stay in power, the theocracy tries to stay in power, the theocracy tries to stay in power, everybody who becomes the new Ayatollah everybody who becomes the new Ayatollah everybody who becomes the new Ayatollah is going to be the next person to get is going to be the next person to get is going to be the next person to get whacked, killed, blown up, right? along whacked, killed, blown up, right? along whacked, killed, blown up, right? along with their wife and their kids and their with their wife and their kids and their with their wife and their kids and their family just like Kamani got killed. family just like Kamani got killed. family just like Kamani got killed. We've completely abandoned this idea of We've completely abandoned this idea of We've completely abandoned this idea of just war or the idea of international just war or the idea of international just war or the idea of international law where you don't strike the head of a law where you don't strike the head of a law where you don't strike the head of a state. state. state. >> We've given that up and we've shown that >> We've given that up and we've shown that >> We've given that up and we've shown that between both Venezuela and and Iran. Um between both Venezuela and and Iran. Um between both Venezuela and and Iran. Um but what will happen is there will be a but what will happen is there will be a but what will happen is there will be a vacuum. There will be a vacuum that vacuum. There will be a vacuum that vacuum. There will be a vacuum that needs to be filled with money, needs to be filled with money, needs to be filled with money, technology, basic survival needs. and technology, basic survival needs. and technology, basic survival needs. and China will try to fill that gap just China will try to fill that gap just China will try to fill that gap just like they tried to fill that gap in like they tried to fill that gap in like they tried to fill that gap in Afghanistan. So, I do agree that China Afghanistan. So, I do agree that China Afghanistan. So, I do agree that China is a big part of this and a big part of is a big part of this and a big part of is a big part of this and a big part of of Iran's future whether we like it or of Iran's future whether we like it or of Iran's future whether we like it or not. The timing is really interesting. not. The timing is really interesting. not. The timing is really interesting. Um, I think you're you're totally right. Um, I think you're you're totally right. Um, I think you're you're totally right. Saudi curbing its spending recently Saudi curbing its spending recently Saudi curbing its spending recently because it's having its own issues is because it's having its own issues is because it's having its own issues is largely tied to it feeling like it needs largely tied to it feeling like it needs largely tied to it feeling like it needs to protect itself against Iran. And to protect itself against Iran. And to protect itself against Iran. And every wealthy collegiate country in the every wealthy collegiate country in the every wealthy collegiate country in the Gulf is concerned about the Shia Gulf is concerned about the Shia Gulf is concerned about the Shia crescent encroaching on their security. crescent encroaching on their security. crescent encroaching on their security. They spend a great deal of money on mass They spend a great deal of money on mass They spend a great deal of money on mass surveillance and national defense, etc., surveillance and national defense, etc., surveillance and national defense, etc., etc., and stability would help them etc., and stability would help them etc., and stability would help them feel like they could spend their money feel like they could spend their money feel like they could spend their money on something else. That's a really on something else. That's a really on something else. That's a really intelligent intelligent intelligent um approach to the question that I had um approach to the question that I had um approach to the question that I had never considered before. It's never considered before. It's never considered before. It's interesting when it comes to the interesting when it comes to the interesting when it comes to the economic stance. My own community thinks economic stance. My own community thinks economic stance. My own community thinks that I oversimplify the world because that I oversimplify the world because that I oversimplify the world because I'm always breaking things down into I'm always breaking things down into I'm always breaking things down into economics. And I think that they are economics. And I think that they are economics. And I think that they are wrongly um making things complicated wrongly um making things complicated wrongly um making things complicated when if you really think about what when if you really think about what when if you really think about what modern society is, it is entirely the modern society is, it is entirely the modern society is, it is entirely the answer to the question of how do I answer to the question of how do I answer to the question of how do I protect the resources that I've protect the resources that I've protect the resources that I've garnered? How do I how do I accumulate garnered? How do I how do I accumulate garnered? How do I how do I accumulate them well? And then how do I protect them well? And then how do I protect them well? And then how do I protect them from outside forces? Like that's them from outside forces? Like that's them from outside forces? Like that's what society is. And so at a fundamental what society is. And so at a fundamental what society is. And so at a fundamental level, we are economic units. We level, we are economic units. We level, we are economic units. We approach the world from through the lens approach the world from through the lens approach the world from through the lens of economics. And I think people get of economics. And I think people get of economics. And I think people get blinded either by the we should talk blinded either by the we should talk blinded either by the we should talk about the Israel of it all. Like that about the Israel of it all. Like that about the Israel of it all. Like that whole it's really becoming this weird whole it's really becoming this weird whole it's really becoming this weird thing for me in terms of everybody thing for me in terms of everybody thing for me in terms of everybody looking at them saying they're puppet looking at them saying they're puppet looking at them saying they're puppet mastering the US. Um, I have a whole mastering the US. Um, I have a whole mastering the US. Um, I have a whole explanation about what I think is really explanation about what I think is really explanation about what I think is really going on there. But people are going, I going on there. But people are going, I going on there. But people are going, I think, far deeper into conspiracies, think, far deeper into conspiracies, think, far deeper into conspiracies, which are often terrifyingly true, but which are often terrifyingly true, but which are often terrifyingly true, but they go even deeper into that lane than they go even deeper into that lane than they go even deeper into that lane than you need to. You can stop at the, okay, you need to. You can stop at the, okay, you need to. You can stop at the, okay, Trump is trying to protect his legacy. Trump is trying to protect his legacy. Trump is trying to protect his legacy. There's a huge economic incentive to do There's a huge economic incentive to do There's a huge economic incentive to do this. Uh Trump is running a to your this. Uh Trump is running a to your this. Uh Trump is running a to your point about legacies running a gambit point about legacies running a gambit point about legacies running a gambit here in the US which is okay I'm going here in the US which is okay I'm going here in the US which is okay I'm going to spend money recklessly but I'm going to spend money recklessly but I'm going to spend money recklessly but I'm going to make sure that we deregulate and that to make sure that we deregulate and that to make sure that we deregulate and that we grow and that we get all these global we grow and that we get all these global we grow and that we get all these global investments. Some of the investments investments. Some of the investments investments. Some of the investments don't pan out like looking at what's don't pan out like looking at what's don't pan out like looking at what's going on with what was it Stargate or going on with what was it Stargate or going on with what was it Stargate or whatever it was like the AI thing the whatever it was like the AI thing the whatever it was like the AI thing the partnership with Open AI seems to be partnership with Open AI seems to be partnership with Open AI seems to be more or less up in the air. Maybe it's more or less up in the air. Maybe it's more or less up in the air. Maybe it's real maybe it's not. And so if he real maybe it's not. And so if he real maybe it's not. And so if he doesn't find a way to put money in doesn't find a way to put money in doesn't find a way to put money in working and middle class people's working and middle class people's working and middle class people's pockets by the midterm, he's toast. And pockets by the midterm, he's toast. And pockets by the midterm, he's toast. And if he gets ousted, like if he becomes if he gets ousted, like if he becomes if he gets ousted, like if he becomes lame deck, they will lame duck, they lame deck, they will lame duck, they lame deck, they will lame duck, they will impeach him immediately. And then will impeach him immediately. And then will impeach him immediately. And then the second he's out of office, they're the second he's out of office, they're the second he's out of office, they're going to pursue him doggedly to put him going to pursue him doggedly to put him going to pursue him doggedly to put him in jail. And so if he does, these are in jail. And so if he does, these are in jail. And so if he does, these are rumors. I don't know if this is true, rumors. I don't know if this is true, rumors. I don't know if this is true, but if he ends up actually pursuing but if he ends up actually pursuing but if he ends up actually pursuing Obama legally, dude, whatever he does Obama legally, dude, whatever he does Obama legally, dude, whatever he does there is going to be brought to him there is going to be brought to him there is going to be brought to him 10fold when he gets out. So, it's like 10fold when he gets out. So, it's like 10fold when he gets out. So, it's like you don't have to go to like crazy you don't have to go to like crazy you don't have to go to like crazy backbendy land to backbendy land to backbendy land to look at all of the behaviors that are look at all of the behaviors that are look at all of the behaviors that are manifesting and go, "Yeah, this explains manifesting and go, "Yeah, this explains manifesting and go, "Yeah, this explains those behaviors." those behaviors." those behaviors." >> Right? It violates the 8020 rule which >> Right? It violates the 8020 rule which >> Right? It violates the 8020 rule which is something that that we follow at CIA is something that that we follow at CIA is something that that we follow at CIA where where 80% of an of an explanation where where 80% of an of an explanation where where 80% of an of an explanation rests with 20% of the causes. So if you rests with 20% of the causes. So if you rests with 20% of the causes. So if you look at 100% of what's happening right look at 100% of what's happening right look at 100% of what's happening right now, 80% of it's explainable with 20% of now, 80% of it's explainable with 20% of now, 80% of it's explainable with 20% of variables. That's exactly what you're variables. That's exactly what you're variables. That's exactly what you're saying. Like, hey, economic incentive, saying. Like, hey, economic incentive, saying. Like, hey, economic incentive, uh, convenient timing and the upcoming uh, convenient timing and the upcoming uh, convenient timing and the upcoming midterms and and personal ego/leacy midterms and and personal ego/leacy midterms and and personal ego/leacy because Trump is still Trump after the because Trump is still Trump after the because Trump is still Trump after the next round of elections like after 2028, next round of elections like after 2028, next round of elections like after 2028, he's still Trump. And if he still wants he's still Trump. And if he still wants he's still Trump. And if he still wants to make money and if he still wants to to make money and if he still wants to to make money and if he still wants to live high on the horse and if he still live high on the horse and if he still live high on the horse and if he still wants to be the one that's involved on wants to be the one that's involved on wants to be the one that's involved on the inner inside decisions for all major the inner inside decisions for all major the inner inside decisions for all major trades, like it's beneficial to be a trades, like it's beneficial to be a trades, like it's beneficial to be a winning president rather than be a winning president rather than be a winning president rather than be a laughingtock president. Not to mention laughingtock president. Not to mention laughingtock president. Not to mention all the legal troubles, right? There's all the legal troubles, right? There's all the legal troubles, right? There's 20% of the explanation that explains 80% 20% of the explanation that explains 80% 20% of the explanation that explains 80% of the problem. All the backbend stuff of the problem. All the backbend stuff of the problem. All the backbend stuff might also contribute one or two% to the might also contribute one or two% to the might also contribute one or two% to the overall explanation, but let's stick overall explanation, but let's stick overall explanation, but let's stick with the macrolevel ideas, right? What with the macrolevel ideas, right? What with the macrolevel ideas, right? What moves the dial the dial the most with moves the dial the dial the most with moves the dial the dial the most with the least uh explanation. It's that the least uh explanation. It's that the least uh explanation. It's that whole idea of of the simplest whole idea of of the simplest whole idea of of the simplest explanation is often times the most explanation is often times the most explanation is often times the most correct. correct. correct. >> Yeah. And I think if people look at the >> Yeah. And I think if people look at the >> Yeah. And I think if people look at the targeting, I actually went through for targeting, I actually went through for targeting, I actually went through for right now and look, this is early fog of right now and look, this is early fog of right now and look, this is early fog of war. So all of this stuff will update. war. So all of this stuff will update. war. So all of this stuff will update. >> And thank you for validating the fog of >> And thank you for validating the fog of >> And thank you for validating the fog of war piece is so interesting and people war piece is so interesting and people war piece is so interesting and people aren't acknowledging it. aren't acknowledging it. aren't acknowledging it. >> You are 100% right. The first few days, >> You are 100% right. The first few days, >> You are 100% right. The first few days, >> we don't know what's original, what's >> we don't know what's original, what's >> we don't know what's original, what's new, what's repeated, what's real, new, what's repeated, what's real, new, what's repeated, what's real, what's not real. what's not real. what's not real. >> Especially with AI, dude, this is >> Especially with AI, dude, this is >> Especially with AI, dude, this is getting crazy. We have to like check getting crazy. We have to like check getting crazy. We have to like check every time we see a video. Okay, is this every time we see a video. Okay, is this every time we see a video. Okay, is this real? Is this AI generated? And I know real? Is this AI generated? And I know real? Is this AI generated? And I know people clown on Grock, but if you're on people clown on Grock, but if you're on people clown on Grock, but if you're on X, dude, I'm glad people go Grock, is X, dude, I'm glad people go Grock, is X, dude, I'm glad people go Grock, is this real? So that it can at least do this real? So that it can at least do this real? So that it can at least do some form of fact check. It's not always some form of fact check. It's not always some form of fact check. It's not always going to be right, but it'll say, you going to be right, but it'll say, you going to be right, but it'll say, you know, this footage has been circulating know, this footage has been circulating know, this footage has been circulating since 2025, or this is confirmed footage since 2025, or this is confirmed footage since 2025, or this is confirmed footage out of, you know, some other country out of, you know, some other country out of, you know, some other country that's not involved in this, so that you that's not involved in this, so that you that's not involved in this, so that you are able to somewhat rapidly sift are able to somewhat rapidly sift are able to somewhat rapidly sift through what's total BS and not. But it through what's total BS and not. But it through what's total BS and not. But it is, it's really getting crazy how much is, it's really getting crazy how much is, it's really getting crazy how much of this stuff can be faked, how real it of this stuff can be faked, how real it of this stuff can be faked, how real it looks. And by the way, people are just looks. And by the way, people are just looks. And by the way, people are just straight posting video game footage. And straight posting video game footage. And straight posting video game footage. And because on your phone, it's small enough because on your phone, it's small enough because on your phone, it's small enough you can't tell that it's a video game. you can't tell that it's a video game. you can't tell that it's a video game. But if you're on a desktop, you zoom in, But if you're on a desktop, you zoom in, But if you're on a desktop, you zoom in, it's so obviously a video game. And yet it's so obviously a video game. And yet it's so obviously a video game. And yet it'll have like 5 and a half million it'll have like 5 and a half million it'll have like 5 and a half million views. So the propaganda, theformational views. So the propaganda, theformational views. So the propaganda, theformational warfare, like warfare, like warfare, like >> the misinformation, like whether it's >> the misinformation, like whether it's >> the misinformation, like whether it's intentional or unintentional, the fog of intentional or unintentional, the fog of intentional or unintentional, the fog of war, the misinformation, the information war, the misinformation, the information war, the misinformation, the information warfare landscape, it's it's so dense warfare landscape, it's it's so dense warfare landscape, it's it's so dense right now. It's shocking. I I right now. It's shocking. I I right now. It's shocking. I I interrupted you. I'm sorry. interrupted you. I'm sorry. interrupted you. I'm sorry. >> No, not at I was going to go through >> No, not at I was going to go through >> No, not at I was going to go through like one of the things that helped me like one of the things that helped me like one of the things that helped me validate like what's really going on validate like what's really going on validate like what's really going on here are the places that are being here are the places that are being here are the places that are being targeted. So if you look at in the early targeted. So if you look at in the early targeted. So if you look at in the early days we've got leadership decapitation days we've got leadership decapitation days we've got leadership decapitation that was like a big part. So I'm trying that was like a big part. So I'm trying that was like a big part. So I'm trying to answer like what's really driving to answer like what's really driving to answer like what's really driving this? Why would you do this now? If this this? Why would you do this now? If this this? Why would you do this now? If this was really about the nuclear deterrence, was really about the nuclear deterrence, was really about the nuclear deterrence, would you see the following three would you see the following three would you see the following three things? Leadership decapitation maybe. things? Leadership decapitation maybe. things? Leadership decapitation maybe. like the people that pulled the trigger, like the people that pulled the trigger, like the people that pulled the trigger, but he's decentralized it. And something but he's decentralized it. And something but he's decentralized it. And something tells me that they knew that and that tells me that they knew that and that tells me that they knew that and that the second they got him, it's just going the second they got him, it's just going the second they got him, it's just going to scatter out to the fringes. So, they to scatter out to the fringes. So, they to scatter out to the fringes. So, they could still launch something if they had could still launch something if they had could still launch something if they had it. Uh, navy warships. That's economic it. Uh, navy warships. That's economic it. Uh, navy warships. That's economic all day. That's we don't want you to be all day. That's we don't want you to be all day. That's we don't want you to be able to stop the straight of Hormuz. able to stop the straight of Hormuz. able to stop the straight of Hormuz. Now, they're going to tell you, well, we Now, they're going to tell you, well, we Now, they're going to tell you, well, we don't want them to attack our vessels. don't want them to attack our vessels. don't want them to attack our vessels. Uh-huh. That that's why you guys were Uh-huh. That that's why you guys were Uh-huh. That that's why you guys were able to take out all 11 basically able to take out all 11 basically able to take out all 11 basically lickety split. I think they were poised lickety split. I think they were poised lickety split. I think they were poised because they knew like people analysts because they knew like people analysts because they knew like people analysts have been warning Saudi Arabia for years have been warning Saudi Arabia for years have been warning Saudi Arabia for years now the biggest vulnerability to vision now the biggest vulnerability to vision now the biggest vulnerability to vision 2030 which for people that don't know 2030 which for people that don't know 2030 which for people that don't know was their um attempt to move away from was their um attempt to move away from was their um attempt to move away from oil revenue get into oil revenue get into oil revenue get into >> technology >> technology >> technology >> exactly get into tech investing is a >> exactly get into tech investing is a >> exactly get into tech investing is a huge thing for them also getting into huge thing for them also getting into huge thing for them also getting into just tourism and bringing people to the just tourism and bringing people to the just tourism and bringing people to the region and so your biggest problem is region and so your biggest problem is region and so your biggest problem is the straight of hormuz you've got Iran a the straight of hormuz you've got Iran a the straight of hormuz you've got Iran a you know despotic regime that can close you know despotic regime that can close you know despotic regime that can close that whenever they want. And if they that whenever they want. And if they that whenever they want. And if they decide that you're a problem and they decide that you're a problem and they decide that you're a problem and they want to like shut that off, now you guys want to like shut that off, now you guys want to like shut that off, now you guys are screwed. Also, people analysts have are screwed. Also, people analysts have are screwed. Also, people analysts have said that if Iran were to close that for said that if Iran were to close that for said that if Iran were to close that for a meaningful period of time, basically a a meaningful period of time, basically a a meaningful period of time, basically a global recession is guaranteed, which if global recession is guaranteed, which if global recession is guaranteed, which if that h happens on Trump's watch, it's that h happens on Trump's watch, it's that h happens on Trump's watch, it's game over. So, leadership decapitation, game over. So, leadership decapitation, game over. So, leadership decapitation, going after the Navy warships going after the Navy warships going after the Navy warships immediately, and then military immediately, and then military immediately, and then military infrastructure. infrastructure. infrastructure. They there's rumors that maybe they did They there's rumors that maybe they did They there's rumors that maybe they did go after one of the nuclear sites, but go after one of the nuclear sites, but go after one of the nuclear sites, but remember, when this was really about remember, when this was really about remember, when this was really about nuclear, they dropped big ass bombs on nuclear, they dropped big ass bombs on nuclear, they dropped big ass bombs on nuclear facilities. That's not what nuclear facilities. That's not what nuclear facilities. That's not what they're doing this time. So, there's they're doing this time. So, there's they're doing this time. So, there's something else going on. Either you feel something else going on. Either you feel something else going on. Either you feel like, okay, the nuclear threat really is like, okay, the nuclear threat really is like, okay, the nuclear threat really is the big deal, but we've already tried the big deal, but we've already tried the big deal, but we've already tried breaking that. Now, we have to kill breaking that. Now, we have to kill breaking that. Now, we have to kill their leaders. Fair. like if that's your their leaders. Fair. like if that's your their leaders. Fair. like if that's your argument, but if you were actually argument, but if you were actually argument, but if you were actually trying to hurt Iran and dismantle it, trying to hurt Iran and dismantle it, trying to hurt Iran and dismantle it, you'd be going after their energy, you you'd be going after their energy, you you'd be going after their energy, you would be taking out the oil. But if would be taking out the oil. But if would be taking out the oil. But if you're trying to preserve it and you're you're trying to preserve it and you're you're trying to preserve it and you're trying to make sure like if this is an trying to make sure like if this is an trying to make sure like if this is an economic play, none of what I just said economic play, none of what I just said economic play, none of what I just said proves it's economic. But all of that at proves it's economic. But all of that at proves it's economic. But all of that at least leaves that on the table. And so least leaves that on the table. And so least leaves that on the table. And so that's where it's like this gets I think that's where it's like this gets I think that's where it's like this gets I think the targeting would look very different the targeting would look very different the targeting would look very different if we were really just worried about the if we were really just worried about the if we were really just worried about the nuclear side of this. nuclear side of this. nuclear side of this. >> Correct. I agree with you. And you know >> Correct. I agree with you. And you know >> Correct. I agree with you. And you know we have multiple pieces of evidence we have multiple pieces of evidence we have multiple pieces of evidence along the trail that suggests it wasn't along the trail that suggests it wasn't along the trail that suggests it wasn't about nuclear weapons. We were told it about nuclear weapons. We were told it about nuclear weapons. We were told it was about nuclear weapons. In fact, the was about nuclear weapons. In fact, the was about nuclear weapons. In fact, the only real evidence we have that it was only real evidence we have that it was only real evidence we have that it was about nuclear weapons is that the about nuclear weapons is that the about nuclear weapons is that the president said it's about WMD. president said it's about WMD. president said it's about WMD. >> Right. At least in 1992 when we went >> Right. At least in 1992 when we went >> Right. At least in 1992 when we went into Iraq for the second time under the into Iraq for the second time under the into Iraq for the second time under the clause under the the accusation of clause under the the accusation of clause under the the accusation of weapons of mass destruction. At least weapons of mass destruction. At least weapons of mass destruction. At least during that period of time there was an during that period of time there was an during that period of time there was an intelligence assessment that had been intelligence assessment that had been intelligence assessment that had been fudged to say that they're a WMD. We fudged to say that they're a WMD. We fudged to say that they're a WMD. We don't even have that this time. We just don't even have that this time. We just don't even have that this time. We just have the word of a president on Air have the word of a president on Air have the word of a president on Air Force One saying that the nuclear Force One saying that the nuclear Force One saying that the nuclear program was obliterated in June of 25 program was obliterated in June of 25 program was obliterated in June of 25 and then somehow saying actually we need and then somehow saying actually we need and then somehow saying actually we need to go back again. It was still to go back again. It was still to go back again. It was still obliterated, obliterated, obliterated, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> But we need to go back again. >> But we need to go back again. >> But we need to go back again. >> I was so confused when he first started >> I was so confused when he first started >> I was so confused when he first started saying, "We're negotiating and they saying, "We're negotiating and they saying, "We're negotiating and they won't give in." I was like, "What are won't give in." I was like, "What are won't give in." I was like, "What are you negotiating about?" you negotiating about?" you negotiating about?" >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> I I was legitimately confused. And then >> I I was legitimately confused. And then >> I I was legitimately confused. And then he finally started repeating the nuclear he finally started repeating the nuclear he finally started repeating the nuclear capabilities. And then I was like, capabilities. And then I was like, capabilities. And then I was like, "Wait, how do I square the circle of you "Wait, how do I square the circle of you "Wait, how do I square the circle of you completely demolished it, but now psych? completely demolished it, but now psych? completely demolished it, but now psych? Just kidding. They've already built it Just kidding. They've already built it Just kidding. They've already built it back." I was like, "Hold on. It's only back." I was like, "Hold on. It's only back." I was like, "Hold on. It's only been whatever eight months." been whatever eight months." been whatever eight months." >> Exactly. So yeah, this that all feels a >> Exactly. So yeah, this that all feels a >> Exactly. So yeah, this that all feels a little flat to me, but it's a great little flat to me, but it's a great little flat to me, but it's a great talking point for propaganda. talking point for propaganda. talking point for propaganda. >> And if exactly because if you repeat >> And if exactly because if you repeat >> And if exactly because if you repeat something enough times, it creates something enough times, it creates something enough times, it creates something called the availability something called the availability something called the availability heruristic for all the people listening. heruristic for all the people listening. heruristic for all the people listening. Meaning we believe it's a heristic. We Meaning we believe it's a heristic. We Meaning we believe it's a heristic. We we bias ourselves to believe the thing we bias ourselves to believe the thing we bias ourselves to believe the thing that we hear the most even more so than that we hear the most even more so than that we hear the most even more so than the thing that we believe to be true. the thing that we believe to be true. the thing that we believe to be true. >> That's so wild. So when you hear over >> That's so wild. So when you hear over >> That's so wild. So when you hear over and over again, they've got weapons of and over again, they've got weapons of and over again, they've got weapons of mass destruction, they got weapons of mass destruction, they got weapons of mass destruction, they got weapons of mass destruction, they're they're mass destruction, they're they're mass destruction, they're they're creating nukes, they're creating nukes, creating nukes, they're creating nukes, creating nukes, they're creating nukes, they're enriching nuclear, they're they're enriching nuclear, they're they're enriching nuclear, they're enriching uranium, enriching uranium. enriching uranium, enriching uranium. enriching uranium, enriching uranium. Even the most intelligent, intellectual, Even the most intelligent, intellectual, Even the most intelligent, intellectual, educated people that I've met will still educated people that I've met will still educated people that I've met will still say, "Well, we didn't want Iran to have say, "Well, we didn't want Iran to have say, "Well, we didn't want Iran to have nuclear weapons." No [ __ ] you don't nuclear weapons." No [ __ ] you don't nuclear weapons." No [ __ ] you don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but want Iran to have nuclear weapons, but but that's not why we went in there. but that's not why we went in there. but that's not why we went in there. Certainly not right now. That's there Certainly not right now. That's there Certainly not right now. That's there was a really funny meme that admittedly was a really funny meme that admittedly was a really funny meme that admittedly made me laugh probably a little too hard made me laugh probably a little too hard made me laugh probably a little too hard and it was like because I was reading it and it was like because I was reading it and it was like because I was reading it as if it were true and it was like as if it were true and it was like as if it were true and it was like ancient um Israeli artifact found ancient um Israeli artifact found ancient um Israeli artifact found thousands of years old. Finally they thousands of years old. Finally they thousands of years old. Finally they were able to decipher it and it says were able to decipher it and it says were able to decipher it and it says Iran is a week away from nuclear Iran is a week away from nuclear Iran is a week away from nuclear weapons. And I was like yeah guys like weapons. And I was like yeah guys like weapons. And I was like yeah guys like we have played this card so many times we have played this card so many times we have played this card so many times that it's getting a little bit crazy. that it's getting a little bit crazy. that it's getting a little bit crazy. I'm very distressed though how well I'm very distressed though how well I'm very distressed though how well propaganda works. Like that's the propaganda works. Like that's the propaganda works. Like that's the problem is it's an effective tool and so problem is it's an effective tool and so problem is it's an effective tool and so people are going to go for it. people are going to go for it. people are going to go for it. >> So propaganda is a little bit different >> So propaganda is a little bit different >> So propaganda is a little bit different than what we're talking about here which than what we're talking about here which than what we're talking about here which is really is really is really as much as I hate to say it it's as much as I hate to say it it's as much as I hate to say it it's disinformation. It's intentionally disinformation. It's intentionally disinformation. It's intentionally falsified information falsified information falsified information >> and there's there's published evidence >> and there's there's published evidence >> and there's there's published evidence and there's documented evidence. the and there's documented evidence. the and there's documented evidence. the White House page to this moment, if White House page to this moment, if White House page to this moment, if somebody here can do the search, the somebody here can do the search, the somebody here can do the search, the White House website still to this exact White House website still to this exact White House website still to this exact moment says that the the Iranian nuclear moment says that the the Iranian nuclear moment says that the the Iranian nuclear capability was fully demolished, fully capability was fully demolished, fully capability was fully demolished, fully obliterated in a June 2025 press obliterated in a June 2025 press obliterated in a June 2025 press release. And then it goes on to also release. And then it goes on to also release. And then it goes on to also say, "Anything saying otherwise is fake say, "Anything saying otherwise is fake say, "Anything saying otherwise is fake news." That's literally the headline on news." That's literally the headline on news." That's literally the headline on white house. It's incredible. And it's white house. It's incredible. And it's white house. It's incredible. And it's still up. It's still there. Like you can still up. It's still there. Like you can still up. It's still there. Like you can see it right now. I'm assuming they're see it right now. I'm assuming they're see it right now. I'm assuming they're saying though that they rebuilt it. Like saying though that they rebuilt it. Like saying though that they rebuilt it. Like that's got to be the angle, which I that's got to be the angle, which I that's got to be the angle, which I haven't even heard that argument. PS. By haven't even heard that argument. PS. By haven't even heard that argument. PS. By the way, it's just we can't let them the way, it's just we can't let them the way, it's just we can't let them have weapons of mass destruction and have weapons of mass destruction and have weapons of mass destruction and they won't say the magic words, they won't say the magic words, they won't say the magic words, >> right? So the the so between the White >> right? So the the so between the White >> right? So the the so between the White House saying it's obliterated, the ODNI House saying it's obliterated, the ODNI House saying it's obliterated, the ODNI uh document published that says they're uh document published that says they're uh document published that says they're not even trying, not even trying, not even trying, >> you got multiple pieces of evidence >> you got multiple pieces of evidence >> you got multiple pieces of evidence saying that this is not really why we're saying that this is not really why we're saying that this is not really why we're going in, and all you have is somebody going in, and all you have is somebody going in, and all you have is somebody saying it. When somebody says something saying it. When somebody says something saying it. When somebody says something they know isn't true, that is they know isn't true, that is they know isn't true, that is disinformation. when they say something disinformation. when they say something disinformation. when they say something that they don't that they incorrectly that they don't that they incorrectly that they don't that they incorrectly state, that's misinformation. And the state, that's misinformation. And the state, that's misinformation. And the the challenge is that we've become very the challenge is that we've become very the challenge is that we've become very comfortable with living in a world of comfortable with living in a world of comfortable with living in a world of misinformation where we don't know if misinformation where we don't know if misinformation where we don't know if something's complete, if it's fog of something's complete, if it's fog of something's complete, if it's fog of war, if it's accurate, inaccurate. war, if it's accurate, inaccurate. war, if it's accurate, inaccurate. >> But then disinformation has space >> But then disinformation has space >> But then disinformation has space >> to get in there. >> to get in there. >> to get in there. >> But do you see a world where that >> But do you see a world where that >> But do you see a world where that doesn't exist? I mean, that I think the doesn't exist? I mean, that I think the doesn't exist? I mean, that I think the weird thing about living in this moment weird thing about living in this moment weird thing about living in this moment is simply that we're aware that it is simply that we're aware that it is simply that we're aware that it happens and it still happens. Like happens and it still happens. Like happens and it still happens. Like that's the thing that people have a hard that's the thing that people have a hard that's the thing that people have a hard time with is previously we suspected time with is previously we suspected time with is previously we suspected that it happened. We didn't really know that it happened. We didn't really know that it happened. We didn't really know and the information didn't travel fast and the information didn't travel fast and the information didn't travel fast enough and only a select few people enough and only a select few people enough and only a select few people really knew how deep the rot went. really knew how deep the rot went. really knew how deep the rot went. >> Now because of social media there's just >> Now because of social media there's just >> Now because of social media there's just cameras everywhere. We see it all the cameras everywhere. We see it all the cameras everywhere. We see it all the time. We understand like going through time. We understand like going through time. We understand like going through COVID opened a lot of people's eyes COVID opened a lot of people's eyes COVID opened a lot of people's eyes because the government didn't yet because the government didn't yet because the government didn't yet understand how much information could be understand how much information could be understand how much information could be transmitted via social media. Once Elon transmitted via social media. Once Elon transmitted via social media. Once Elon gets X now all of a sudden you see a gets X now all of a sudden you see a gets X now all of a sudden you see a true unfiltered view of what people true unfiltered view of what people true unfiltered view of what people really what some people really think really what some people really think really what some people really think obviously it's not universal but you get obviously it's not universal but you get obviously it's not universal but you get that eyeopening thing and then you hear that eyeopening thing and then you hear that eyeopening thing and then you hear the government response to that which is the government response to that which is the government response to that which is to shut it down to introduce the idea of to shut it down to introduce the idea of to shut it down to introduce the idea of malinformation it is true Mr. booante malinformation it is true Mr. booante malinformation it is true Mr. booante but we can't let people know it and now but we can't let people know it and now but we can't let people know it and now you really you're like wait what and you really you're like wait what and you really you're like wait what and you're actually in Ministry of Truth you're actually in Ministry of Truth you're actually in Ministry of Truth territory and I think I was reading uh territory and I think I was reading uh territory and I think I was reading uh there's a book by James Bham called the there's a book by James Bham called the there's a book by James Bham called the Makavellians defenders of freedom Makavellians defenders of freedom Makavellians defenders of freedom phenomenal book my community will have phenomenal book my community will have phenomenal book my community will have heard me talk about this a gazillion heard me talk about this a gazillion heard me talk about this a gazillion times people must read that book and in times people must read that book and in times people must read that book and in it he laments and he's like I don't know it he laments and he's like I don't know it he laments and he's like I don't know what's going to happen because we're now what's going to happen because we're now what's going to happen because we're now living in a world where the government living in a world where the government living in a world where the government can't hand us a shared narrative and we can't hand us a shared narrative and we can't hand us a shared narrative and we need a shared narrative. And if I I need a shared narrative. And if I I need a shared narrative. And if I I don't want to speak on his behalf, but don't want to speak on his behalf, but don't want to speak on his behalf, but like it felt to me like he was more or like it felt to me like he was more or like it felt to me like he was more or less saying we kind of need like to find less saying we kind of need like to find less saying we kind of need like to find our way back to that that we're not our way back to that that we're not our way back to that that we're not going to be able to survive this going to be able to survive this going to be able to survive this landscape where there's no shared landscape where there's no shared landscape where there's no shared narratives. And my thing is that I think narratives. And my thing is that I think narratives. And my thing is that I think humans have to pass through this moment. humans have to pass through this moment. humans have to pass through this moment. We have to accept that this is what We have to accept that this is what We have to accept that this is what humans do. They lie. They try to control humans do. They lie. They try to control humans do. They lie. They try to control the narrative. And then on the other the narrative. And then on the other the narrative. And then on the other side of it, much like we discovered, oh, side of it, much like we discovered, oh, side of it, much like we discovered, oh, leeches and things like that don't leeches and things like that don't leeches and things like that don't really work, we need a scientific method really work, we need a scientific method really work, we need a scientific method to test these wives tales to see what's to test these wives tales to see what's to test these wives tales to see what's real, we need like new veracity checks real, we need like new veracity checks real, we need like new veracity checks and information. And maybe that's AI, and information. And maybe that's AI, and information. And maybe that's AI, maybe it's something else. I don't know. maybe it's something else. I don't know. maybe it's something else. I don't know. But I anybody who wishes to go But I anybody who wishes to go But I anybody who wishes to go backwards, the only thing I can say is backwards, the only thing I can say is backwards, the only thing I can say is that's the only bad strategy. People that's the only bad strategy. People that's the only bad strategy. People like like like convenience and they like closed loops. convenience and they like closed loops. convenience and they like closed loops. And I don't think that people ever And I don't think that people ever And I don't think that people ever assume that other people didn't lie, assume that other people didn't lie, assume that other people didn't lie, steal, cheat. I think people have always steal, cheat. I think people have always steal, cheat. I think people have always known that people lie, steal, and cheat. known that people lie, steal, and cheat. known that people lie, steal, and cheat. We've all got the creepy uncle we don't We've all got the creepy uncle we don't We've all got the creepy uncle we don't want to be around, and we've all got the want to be around, and we've all got the want to be around, and we've all got the grandparent that we don't like, and we grandparent that we don't like, and we grandparent that we don't like, and we all know what it's like to know all know what it's like to know all know what it's like to know somebody, at least if it's not you, that somebody, at least if it's not you, that somebody, at least if it's not you, that has a mom or a dad who wasn't a very has a mom or a dad who wasn't a very has a mom or a dad who wasn't a very good mom or dad. So, we we understand good mom or dad. So, we we understand good mom or dad. So, we we understand that people lie, steal, cheat. We that people lie, steal, cheat. We that people lie, steal, cheat. We understand that people are corrupt. understand that people are corrupt. understand that people are corrupt. But we have always believed that But we have always believed that But we have always believed that institutions institutions institutions are above that somehow. And what we're are above that somehow. And what we're are above that somehow. And what we're seeing now seeing now seeing now over and over again is demonstrable over and over again is demonstrable over and over again is demonstrable proof that institutions aren't above proof that institutions aren't above proof that institutions aren't above that. And that incompetence that we joke that. And that incompetence that we joke that. And that incompetence that we joke about around the the coffee pot at work about around the the coffee pot at work about around the the coffee pot at work exists in government institutions as exists in government institutions as exists in government institutions as well. Exist in the halls of the well. Exist in the halls of the well. Exist in the halls of the wealthiest, most powerful government in wealthiest, most powerful government in wealthiest, most powerful government in the world, the United States. And how do the world, the United States. And how do the world, the United States. And how do you process that? It's it's a perfect you process that? It's it's a perfect you process that? It's it's a perfect example of cognitive dissonance where we example of cognitive dissonance where we example of cognitive dissonance where we were we always thought that we were so were we always thought that we were so were we always thought that we were so powerful and strong and uncorruptible powerful and strong and uncorruptible powerful and strong and uncorruptible and democratic and now we see examples and democratic and now we see examples and democratic and now we see examples to the contrary and then there's no to the contrary and then there's no to the contrary and then there's no space in our cognition for both things. space in our cognition for both things. space in our cognition for both things. So they they fight in our head. And in So they they fight in our head. And in So they they fight in our head. And in that struggle, it's just so much easier that struggle, it's just so much easier that struggle, it's just so much easier to choose one side or the other. Or to to choose one side or the other. Or to to choose one side or the other. Or to just take yourself out of the fight and just take yourself out of the fight and just take yourself out of the fight and just stop paying attention and try to just stop paying attention and try to just stop paying attention and try to live in your video games, in your, you live in your video games, in your, you live in your video games, in your, you know, your drug use, in your job, know, your drug use, in your job, know, your drug use, in your job, whatever it might be. And and it's whatever it might be. And and it's whatever it might be. And and it's somebody else's problem. My somebody else's problem. My somebody else's problem. My father-in-law is fantastic at at saying father-in-law is fantastic at at saying father-in-law is fantastic at at saying it's just going to fix itself. Like it's just going to fix itself. Like it's just going to fix itself. Like that's what he honestly believes. that's what he honestly believes. that's what he honestly believes. >> Things so often, too. >> Things so often, too. >> Things so often, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So I think it's not necessarily that >> So I think it's not necessarily that >> So I think it's not necessarily that people used to trust people and don't people used to trust people and don't people used to trust people and don't trust people. I think people have always trust people. I think people have always trust people. I think people have always known you can't trust all people. But known you can't trust all people. But known you can't trust all people. But when the institutions themselves start when the institutions themselves start when the institutions themselves start to break down and when your institutions to break down and when your institutions to break down and when your institutions break down and you're raised on an break down and you're raised on an break down and you're raised on an ideology like we were as Americans ideology like we were as Americans ideology like we were as Americans raised on an ideology that raised on an ideology that raised on an ideology that institutionalized the ideology, now it institutionalized the ideology, now it institutionalized the ideology, now it questions the ideology itself. If you questions the ideology itself. If you questions the ideology itself. If you can't trust the institution that's can't trust the institution that's can't trust the institution that's that's being driven by the ideology, is that's being driven by the ideology, is that's being driven by the ideology, is there something wrong with the ideology? there something wrong with the ideology? there something wrong with the ideology? And I really do wonder if people are And I really do wonder if people are And I really do wonder if people are finally coming to grips with the fact finally coming to grips with the fact finally coming to grips with the fact that the United States isn't the that the United States isn't the that the United States isn't the democracy it always said it was. We are democracy it always said it was. We are democracy it always said it was. We are a capitalist country that follows a capitalist country that follows a capitalist country that follows democratic rule as long as it doesn't democratic rule as long as it doesn't democratic rule as long as it doesn't compromise our capitalist goals. But compromise our capitalist goals. But compromise our capitalist goals. But when our capitalist goals become when our capitalist goals become when our capitalist goals become threatened, we're willing to give up threatened, we're willing to give up threatened, we're willing to give up elements of our democratic pillars to elements of our democratic pillars to elements of our democratic pillars to preserve our capitalist advantage. And preserve our capitalist advantage. And preserve our capitalist advantage. And that's something that you don't see in that's something that you don't see in that's something that you don't see in Europe. And that's something that you Europe. And that's something that you Europe. And that's something that you don't see in other dem democracies don't see in other dem democracies don't see in other dem democracies around the world. They they actually around the world. They they actually around the world. They they actually don't choose capitalism over democracy. don't choose capitalism over democracy. don't choose capitalism over democracy. They choose the other way around. They choose the other way around. They choose the other way around. That's interesting. Let me make sure That's interesting. Let me make sure That's interesting. Let me make sure that I've understood what you've just that I've understood what you've just that I've understood what you've just said because if I do, uh we've got a said because if I do, uh we've got a said because if I do, uh we've got a point of wonderful collision here. So, point of wonderful collision here. So, point of wonderful collision here. So, um what I just heard you say is that in um what I just heard you say is that in um what I just heard you say is that in Europe, as one example, they are willing Europe, as one example, they are willing Europe, as one example, they are willing to sacrifice their capitalistic to sacrifice their capitalistic to sacrifice their capitalistic ambitions to protect democracy. And I ambitions to protect democracy. And I ambitions to protect democracy. And I would say that Europe is among the most would say that Europe is among the most would say that Europe is among the most abusive kleptocratic institutions on abusive kleptocratic institutions on abusive kleptocratic institutions on planet earth. That they are robbing planet earth. That they are robbing planet earth. That they are robbing their people blind and their people their people blind and their people their people blind and their people don't even realize it. And um they would don't even realize it. And um they would don't even realize it. And um they would not have the ability to do so if America not have the ability to do so if America not have the ability to do so if America wasn't taking care of their security. wasn't taking care of their security. wasn't taking care of their security. And so we've lived in this postw World And so we've lived in this postw World And so we've lived in this postw World War II bubble where we have come to War II bubble where we have come to War II bubble where we have come to believe that success and prosperity are believe that success and prosperity are believe that success and prosperity are these laws of nature. They just are. these laws of nature. They just are. these laws of nature. They just are. Like somehow the west is magically Like somehow the west is magically Like somehow the west is magically delicious and hey, lucky us. Like we're delicious and hey, lucky us. Like we're delicious and hey, lucky us. Like we're here. Bummer. Like if you live somewhere here. Bummer. Like if you live somewhere here. Bummer. Like if you live somewhere else. Uh but the West is is just else. Uh but the West is is just else. Uh but the West is is just magical. And they don't understand how magical. And they don't understand how magical. And they don't understand how America came to be. for instance, like America came to be. for instance, like America came to be. for instance, like I'll speedrun what I view as the real I'll speedrun what I view as the real I'll speedrun what I view as the real American story. And this is what I see American story. And this is what I see American story. And this is what I see with what we're doing with Iran. This is with what we're doing with Iran. This is with what we're doing with Iran. This is the thing that makes Trump such a the thing that makes Trump such a the thing that makes Trump such a fascinating figure to me is he can be fascinating figure to me is he can be fascinating figure to me is he can be honest about this kind of stuff. Like honest about this kind of stuff. Like honest about this kind of stuff. Like he's got, you know, who uh President he's got, you know, who uh President he's got, you know, who uh President Pulk was? Pulk was? Pulk was? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, he's got a lot of Pulk in him. >> Okay. So, he's got a lot of Pulk in him. >> Okay. So, he's got a lot of Pulk in him. Like, well, as long as if I get a good Like, well, as long as if I get a good Like, well, as long as if I get a good result, then we're good. Like, nothing result, then we're good. Like, nothing result, then we're good. Like, nothing else really matters. All right. Speedrun else really matters. All right. Speedrun else really matters. All right. Speedrun of the US. Um, I'm being abused by a of the US. Um, I'm being abused by a of the US. Um, I'm being abused by a despotic government, so I'm going to despotic government, so I'm going to despotic government, so I'm going to jump on a boat. I'm one of the jump on a boat. I'm one of the jump on a boat. I'm one of the entrepreneurial adventurous type. I'm entrepreneurial adventurous type. I'm entrepreneurial adventurous type. I'm probably going to die like the numbers probably going to die like the numbers probably going to die like the numbers are. But, um, I'm the type of person are. But, um, I'm the type of person are. But, um, I'm the type of person that would respond to Shackleton's call that would respond to Shackleton's call that would respond to Shackleton's call for a horrible job where you're likely for a horrible job where you're likely for a horrible job where you're likely to die, but if you make it, baby, there to die, but if you make it, baby, there to die, but if you make it, baby, there is just glory and wealth above all else. is just glory and wealth above all else. is just glory and wealth above all else. >> Uh, so I am Columbus. I roll up in the >> Uh, so I am Columbus. I roll up in the >> Uh, so I am Columbus. I roll up in the Caribbean and I realize, oh my god, Caribbean and I realize, oh my god, Caribbean and I realize, oh my god, these guys are [ __ ] lovely people. these guys are [ __ ] lovely people. these guys are [ __ ] lovely people. They're so easy to kill. This is crazy. They're so easy to kill. This is crazy. They're so easy to kill. This is crazy. And so they grab our swords. Don't even And so they grab our swords. Don't even And so they grab our swords. Don't even realize they're about to cut their realize they're about to cut their realize they're about to cut their hands. This is awesome. Uh we're going hands. This is awesome. Uh we're going hands. This is awesome. Uh we're going to enslave them. Obviously, make them to enslave them. Obviously, make them to enslave them. Obviously, make them grab some gold. If you don't come back grab some gold. If you don't come back grab some gold. If you don't come back with gold, I'm going to have to chop off with gold, I'm going to have to chop off with gold, I'm going to have to chop off your hands. Like just real fast, though. your hands. Like just real fast, though. your hands. Like just real fast, though. So cool. We come start realizing there's So cool. We come start realizing there's So cool. We come start realizing there's just all this immense fertile land. This just all this immense fertile land. This just all this immense fertile land. This is rad. And now all these people come. is rad. And now all these people come. is rad. And now all these people come. The vast majority of them die, but we The vast majority of them die, but we The vast majority of them die, but we are inviting over the most are inviting over the most are inviting over the most entrepreneurial, the most adventurous, entrepreneurial, the most adventurous, entrepreneurial, the most adventurous, the most hardcore [ __ ] the most hardcore [ __ ] the most hardcore [ __ ] literally on planet Earth. They come literally on planet Earth. They come literally on planet Earth. They come over, they flood the shores. This is over, they flood the shores. This is over, they flood the shores. This is obviously I'm condensing a lot of obviously I'm condensing a lot of obviously I'm condensing a lot of history here. Uh indiscriminately history here. Uh indiscriminately history here. Uh indiscriminately take over. They maybe would have been take over. They maybe would have been take over. They maybe would have been fine living side by side as long as they fine living side by side as long as they fine living side by side as long as they could have your [ __ ] whenever they could have your [ __ ] whenever they could have your [ __ ] whenever they wanted it, but that obviously doesn't go wanted it, but that obviously doesn't go wanted it, but that obviously doesn't go well. Fighting on both sides. I am not well. Fighting on both sides. I am not well. Fighting on both sides. I am not uh somebody who paints an uh somebody who paints an uh somebody who paints an unrealistically chirpy picture of Native unrealistically chirpy picture of Native unrealistically chirpy picture of Native Americans, but we end up colliding and Americans, but we end up colliding and Americans, but we end up colliding and the people that become the first the people that become the first the people that become the first Americans end up winning that through Americans end up winning that through Americans end up winning that through disease, through warfare, uh better disease, through warfare, uh better disease, through warfare, uh better technology, as is usually the case. Uh technology, as is usually the case. Uh technology, as is usually the case. Uh we keep pushing across the country, we keep pushing across the country, we keep pushing across the country, taking as much from anybody else as we taking as much from anybody else as we taking as much from anybody else as we can. We'll buy it if you sell at the can. We'll buy it if you sell at the can. We'll buy it if you sell at the right price, but we'll certainly kill right price, but we'll certainly kill right price, but we'll certainly kill you and take your [ __ ] if we have to. Uh you and take your [ __ ] if we have to. Uh you and take your [ __ ] if we have to. Uh which is exactly what we do in the which is exactly what we do in the which is exactly what we do in the Mexican-American War, which ends up Mexican-American War, which ends up Mexican-American War, which ends up giving us a third. Speaking of pulk giving us a third. Speaking of pulk giving us a third. Speaking of pulk gives us a third of what we now think of gives us a third of what we now think of gives us a third of what we now think of as America going from sea to shining as America going from sea to shining as America going from sea to shining sea. sea. sea. >> And from all of that comes the most >> And from all of that comes the most >> And from all of that comes the most dominant country the world has ever dominant country the world has ever dominant country the world has ever seen. And if you're willing to be honest seen. And if you're willing to be honest seen. And if you're willing to be honest about like what those kinds of about like what those kinds of about like what those kinds of transformations take and that they have transformations take and that they have transformations take and that they have happened all throughout human history happened all throughout human history happened all throughout human history forever as far as the I can see because forever as far as the I can see because forever as far as the I can see because that's just what humans are like. Um, I that's just what humans are like. Um, I that's just what humans are like. Um, I think people get a lot closer to the think people get a lot closer to the think people get a lot closer to the ground truth. So, when I look at the ground truth. So, when I look at the ground truth. So, when I look at the scenario of whether it's how Trump is scenario of whether it's how Trump is scenario of whether it's how Trump is behaving with Iran, it's very in keeping behaving with Iran, it's very in keeping behaving with Iran, it's very in keeping with what humans are like. America with what humans are like. America with what humans are like. America first, as far as I can tell, is if it's first, as far as I can tell, is if it's first, as far as I can tell, is if it's good for America, we're going to do it. good for America, we're going to do it. good for America, we're going to do it. Not that we're only going to think Not that we're only going to think Not that we're only going to think between our shores, not that we're not between our shores, not that we're not between our shores, not that we're not going to do wars or be adventurous. As going to do wars or be adventurous. As going to do wars or be adventurous. As long as we believe that it's going to be long as we believe that it's going to be long as we believe that it's going to be good for Americans, going to put dollars good for Americans, going to put dollars good for Americans, going to put dollars in their pockets, let us overspend, in their pockets, let us overspend, in their pockets, let us overspend, whatever, get us elected. I mean that's whatever, get us elected. I mean that's whatever, get us elected. I mean that's really the question then we're going to really the question then we're going to really the question then we're going to do it. Um and so that to me is a human do it. Um and so that to me is a human do it. Um and so that to me is a human thing and when you look at institutions thing and when you look at institutions thing and when you look at institutions and realize that they are corrupt from and realize that they are corrupt from and realize that they are corrupt from the top to bottom it's always been that the top to bottom it's always been that the top to bottom it's always been that way right way right way right >> and so now to me it it is the great >> and so now to me it it is the great >> and so now to me it it is the great reckoning of how do you integrate the reckoning of how do you integrate the reckoning of how do you integrate the fact that this is what humans are like fact that this is what humans are like fact that this is what humans are like >> this is what humans do. And so it feels >> this is what humans do. And so it feels >> this is what humans do. And so it feels to me like a as somebody who became a to me like a as somebody who became a to me like a as somebody who became a student of history quite late in the student of history quite late in the student of history quite late in the game. And I was like, whoa, this has game. And I was like, whoa, this has game. And I was like, whoa, this has been here waiting for me to discover been here waiting for me to discover been here waiting for me to discover this whole time to realize what humans this whole time to realize what humans this whole time to realize what humans are really like. If you if you really are really like. If you if you really are really like. If you if you really want a glimpse into humanity, read the want a glimpse into humanity, read the want a glimpse into humanity, read the Goolog archipelago. Goolog archipelago. Goolog archipelago. >> Whoa. About the um Soviet um death >> Whoa. About the um Soviet um death >> Whoa. About the um Soviet um death camps, basically the Goologs. And it's camps, basically the Goologs. And it's camps, basically the Goologs. And it's basically I don't know 1,200 pages of a basically I don't know 1,200 pages of a basically I don't know 1,200 pages of a guy who was in it just screaming. I guy who was in it just screaming. I guy who was in it just screaming. I mean, it it is literally effectively a mean, it it is literally effectively a mean, it it is literally effectively a guy screaming for 1,200 pages. It's guy screaming for 1,200 pages. It's guy screaming for 1,200 pages. It's crazy. crazy. crazy. >> So, anyway, I'm like, "Okay, I want us >> So, anyway, I'm like, "Okay, I want us >> So, anyway, I'm like, "Okay, I want us to find a path to the other side of that to find a path to the other side of that to find a path to the other side of that where we don't have to um some where we don't have to um some where we don't have to um some nambulize, if that's a real word, nambulize, if that's a real word, nambulize, if that's a real word, people, put them back to sleep, get them people, put them back to sleep, get them people, put them back to sleep, get them to um eat your spoonfed AI created to um eat your spoonfed AI created to um eat your spoonfed AI created narrative of what this all is. Nobody's narrative of what this all is. Nobody's narrative of what this all is. Nobody's a bigger proponent of AI than me, but a bigger proponent of AI than me, but a bigger proponent of AI than me, but I'm also terrified of how it will be I'm also terrified of how it will be I'm also terrified of how it will be used to give us a narrative. Um, so used to give us a narrative. Um, so used to give us a narrative. Um, so yeah, I mean, in the end, that is how yeah, I mean, in the end, that is how yeah, I mean, in the end, that is how I'm parsing this is how do we get to the I'm parsing this is how do we get to the I'm parsing this is how do we get to the other side of that without having to other side of that without having to other side of that without having to pull punches. So anyway, bringing it pull punches. So anyway, bringing it pull punches. So anyway, bringing it back to Europe. So you look at Europe. back to Europe. So you look at Europe. back to Europe. So you look at Europe. Europe to me is not a um like clean Europe to me is not a um like clean Europe to me is not a um like clean democracy that is treating its people democracy that is treating its people democracy that is treating its people well. They're living in a postWorld War well. They're living in a postWorld War well. They're living in a postWorld War II false version of what the world order II false version of what the world order II false version of what the world order really is when what it really is is really is when what it really is is really is when what it really is is hardcore people that will do whatever hardcore people that will do whatever hardcore people that will do whatever they can until they meet sufficient they can until they meet sufficient they can until they meet sufficient physical force that stops them. From the physical force that stops them. From the physical force that stops them. From the foundation that people are just people foundation that people are just people foundation that people are just people and people don't change and and all of and people don't change and and all of and people don't change and and all of life is based on uh resource limitations life is based on uh resource limitations life is based on uh resource limitations that ultimately ultimately we fight for. that ultimately ultimately we fight for. that ultimately ultimately we fight for. I I can't disagree with you. That is I I can't disagree with you. That is I I can't disagree with you. That is that is the logical conclusion based off that is the logical conclusion based off that is the logical conclusion based off of that foundational evidence. of that foundational evidence. of that foundational evidence. I think what we need to adjust for is I think what we need to adjust for is I think what we need to adjust for is the fact that people can change. People the fact that people can change. People the fact that people can change. People can change. People can make different can change. People can make different can change. People can make different decisions. And often times people do decisions. And often times people do decisions. And often times people do make different decisions. Sometimes the make different decisions. Sometimes the make different decisions. Sometimes the pain that we run into pain that we run into pain that we run into is sufficient to get us to change is sufficient to get us to change is sufficient to get us to change something about our ideology, something something about our ideology, something something about our ideology, something about our point of view, something about about our point of view, something about about our point of view, something about our vision. Right? That's that's how our vision. Right? That's that's how our vision. Right? That's that's how civil rights came to be. That's how the civil rights came to be. That's how the civil rights came to be. That's how the end of slavery came to be. Economically, end of slavery came to be. Economically, end of slavery came to be. Economically, it just made sense to keep having it just made sense to keep having it just made sense to keep having slaves. But at some point, there was a slaves. But at some point, there was a slaves. But at some point, there was a social transformation social transformation social transformation that fought against that. Same thing that fought against that. Same thing that fought against that. Same thing with women having the right to vote. At with women having the right to vote. At with women having the right to vote. At some point, there was a social I'm not some point, there was a social I'm not some point, there was a social I'm not saying there wasn't also an economic saying there wasn't also an economic saying there wasn't also an economic benefit, but it didn't start from the benefit, but it didn't start from the benefit, but it didn't start from the economic benefit. It started from economic benefit. It started from economic benefit. It started from something else and then an economic something else and then an economic something else and then an economic benefit was found later on. very similar benefit was found later on. very similar benefit was found later on. very similar to what we're seeing I think right now to what we're seeing I think right now to what we're seeing I think right now with our environmental protection um uh with our environmental protection um uh with our environmental protection um uh passions and interests like economically passions and interests like economically passions and interests like economically you don't protect the government you you don't protect the government you you don't protect the government you don't protect the environment but don't protect the environment but don't protect the environment but there's something else at play that we there's something else at play that we there's something else at play that we then find an economic benefit to add to then find an economic benefit to add to then find an economic benefit to add to it so there's a social element that's it so there's a social element that's it so there's a social element that's very unpredictable and when you talk very unpredictable and when you talk very unpredictable and when you talk about people being people you also have about people being people you also have about people being people you also have to acknowledge that people people change to acknowledge that people people change to acknowledge that people people change as different phases of their life change as different phases of their life change as different phases of their life change if you put a 25year-old in power as a if you put a 25year-old in power as a if you put a 25year-old in power as a king or a queen or whatever else They king or a queen or whatever else They king or a queen or whatever else They literally change the way they rule by literally change the way they rule by literally change the way they rule by the time that they're 65 and die. We are the time that they're 65 and die. We are the time that they're 65 and die. We are We are all different people in college We are all different people in college We are all different people in college than we are when we have a couple of than we are when we have a couple of than we are when we have a couple of kids. We're all different when we're kids. We're all different when we're kids. We're all different when we're broke than when we're wealthy. Like, we broke than when we're wealthy. Like, we broke than when we're wealthy. Like, we change. We change. Our questions about change. We change. Our questions about change. We change. Our questions about the universe and ourselves change. Our the universe and ourselves change. Our the universe and ourselves change. Our interests change. Our values shift. Even interests change. Our values shift. Even interests change. Our values shift. Even though we are still the same core though we are still the same core though we are still the same core people. And and if you take everything people. And and if you take everything people. And and if you take everything away from us, we will very quickly away from us, we will very quickly away from us, we will very quickly revert back to anim animalistic survival revert back to anim animalistic survival revert back to anim animalistic survival tendencies for the most part. There are tendencies for the most part. There are tendencies for the most part. There are still exceptions that don't do that. are still exceptions that don't do that. are still exceptions that don't do that. are people who give up all worldly goods to people who give up all worldly goods to people who give up all worldly goods to become monks or become uh uh priests or become monks or become uh uh priests or become monks or become uh uh priests or nuns or whatever else. So, so there are nuns or whatever else. So, so there are nuns or whatever else. So, so there are exceptions to the rule which makes it exceptions to the rule which makes it exceptions to the rule which makes it hard to apply the rule hard to apply the rule hard to apply the rule consistently everywhere. But when it consistently everywhere. But when it consistently everywhere. But when it comes to the institutions themselves, comes to the institutions themselves, comes to the institutions themselves, those are not monks and those are not those are not monks and those are not those are not monks and those are not those are not the rarities. If anything, those are not the rarities. If anything, those are not the rarities. If anything, the institution becomes the place the the institution becomes the place the the institution becomes the place the saving grace for the the low low saving grace for the the low low saving grace for the the low low performance people. It's a safe haven. performance people. It's a safe haven. performance people. It's a safe haven. When you don't have any other skill, you When you don't have any other skill, you When you don't have any other skill, you find your way to doing something that's find your way to doing something that's find your way to doing something that's safe and simple and protected and safe and simple and protected and safe and simple and protected and follows the same regimented process as follows the same regimented process as follows the same regimented process as something else. So, I don't disagree something else. So, I don't disagree something else. So, I don't disagree with you that people are people and I with you that people are people and I with you that people are people and I don't disagree with you that we need to don't disagree with you that we need to don't disagree with you that we need to find a way to come through where we find a way to come through where we find a way to come through where we currently are. But where the two things currently are. But where the two things currently are. But where the two things don't line up for me are if you believe don't line up for me are if you believe don't line up for me are if you believe that people are so kind of not that people are so kind of not that people are so kind of not pessimistically but realistically tied pessimistically but realistically tied pessimistically but realistically tied to their their carnal desires, their to their their carnal desires, their to their their carnal desires, their carnal core processes, then how could carnal core processes, then how could carnal core processes, then how could you ever believe that we would come you ever believe that we would come you ever believe that we would come through unless what you're really saying through unless what you're really saying through unless what you're really saying is that in the filtering process of is that in the filtering process of is that in the filtering process of coming through coming through coming through 60% of people don't make it. 60% of people don't make it. 60% of people don't make it. >> I'm saying something slightly different. >> I'm saying something slightly different. >> I'm saying something slightly different. So this started with you saying that So this started with you saying that So this started with you saying that people have to come to grips that we're people have to come to grips that we're people have to come to grips that we're not the democratic country that people not the democratic country that people not the democratic country that people think we are. That this is um we are think we are. That this is um we are think we are. That this is um we are willing to make concessions for our willing to make concessions for our willing to make concessions for our capitalistic tendencies in a way that capitalistic tendencies in a way that capitalistic tendencies in a way that Europe is not. Europe is not. Europe is not. >> Uh my read on the situation at a high >> Uh my read on the situation at a high >> Uh my read on the situation at a high level is is very different and it goes level is is very different and it goes level is is very different and it goes something like this. Everything is something like this. Everything is something like this. Everything is economics. economics. economics. >> Everything is economics. I agree. We >> Everything is economics. I agree. We >> Everything is economics. I agree. We build up from that and we are not a build up from that and we are not a build up from that and we are not a capitalistic nation and haven't been for capitalistic nation and haven't been for capitalistic nation and haven't been for a very long time. You can't be a very long time. You can't be a very long time. You can't be capitalist and deficit spend. Let's capitalist and deficit spend. Let's capitalist and deficit spend. Let's start with that because now you are start with that because now you are start with that because now you are rigging the game. rigging the game. rigging the game. >> You can only do that with a central >> You can only do that with a central >> You can only do that with a central bank. The second you have a central bank. The second you have a central bank. The second you have a central bank, you're rigging the game. Every bank, you're rigging the game. Every bank, you're rigging the game. Every empire ever that has had a central bank empire ever that has had a central bank empire ever that has had a central bank has collapsed. they all collapse for the has collapsed. they all collapse for the has collapsed. they all collapse for the exact same knowable predictable reason exact same knowable predictable reason exact same knowable predictable reason and that is debt and deficit spending. and that is debt and deficit spending. and that is debt and deficit spending. The math just ends up taking over. And The math just ends up taking over. And The math just ends up taking over. And so the reason that people are so angry so the reason that people are so angry so the reason that people are so angry and they have a right to be angry and and they have a right to be angry and and they have a right to be angry and this is actually what I was thinking this is actually what I was thinking this is actually what I was thinking about when you were saying people about when you were saying people about when you were saying people change. I'll say it slightly change. I'll say it slightly change. I'll say it slightly differently. We are automata that differently. We are automata that differently. We are automata that responds to stimulus in very predictable responds to stimulus in very predictable responds to stimulus in very predictable ways. And when you take us on mass, this ways. And when you take us on mass, this ways. And when you take us on mass, this is why history loops because we're just is why history loops because we're just is why history loops because we're just going to respond. If you create a going to respond. If you create a going to respond. If you create a K-shaped economy always and forever for K-shaped economy always and forever for K-shaped economy always and forever for all time, ever, ever, ever, you're going all time, ever, ever, ever, you're going all time, ever, ever, ever, you're going to get populism because populism is, oh, to get populism because populism is, oh, to get populism because populism is, oh, life sucks because you're stealing from life sucks because you're stealing from life sucks because you're stealing from me. I just don't understand how. And so me. I just don't understand how. And so me. I just don't understand how. And so they elect a big strong man to come and they elect a big strong man to come and they elect a big strong man to come and slap people around. Get they want to slap people around. Get they want to slap people around. Get they want to tribe up and be on a team because it's tribe up and be on a team because it's tribe up and be on a team because it's it's scary now. They don't know how it's scary now. They don't know how it's scary now. They don't know how they're going to make ends meet. The pie they're going to make ends meet. The pie they're going to make ends meet. The pie really is shrinking, really is shrinking, really is shrinking, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And it's being siphoned up to the elite, >> And it's being siphoned up to the elite, >> And it's being siphoned up to the elite, to the wealthy, and everybody else is to the wealthy, and everybody else is to the wealthy, and everybody else is left to fight over scraps. everything's left to fight over scraps. everything's left to fight over scraps. everything's getting more expensive and so they just getting more expensive and so they just getting more expensive and so they just want someone that's they want to be on a want someone that's they want to be on a want someone that's they want to be on a team and they want someone that's gonna team and they want someone that's gonna team and they want someone that's gonna fight for their side fight for their side fight for their side >> and they want to win >> and they want to win >> and they want to win >> hurt. Yep. They want to win. They want >> hurt. Yep. They want to win. They want >> hurt. Yep. They want to win. They want to hurt the other side. And so when I to hurt the other side. And so when I to hurt the other side. And so when I look at this, I go, "Okay, let's say I look at this, I go, "Okay, let's say I look at this, I go, "Okay, let's say I you really had a gun to my head and I you really had a gun to my head and I you really had a gun to my head and I had to solve this problem based on cause had to solve this problem based on cause had to solve this problem based on cause and effect, based on first principles and effect, based on first principles and effect, based on first principles thinking, based on uh the economy being thinking, based on uh the economy being thinking, based on uh the economy being close enough to a machine that you can close enough to a machine that you can close enough to a machine that you can think from an engineering perspective." think from an engineering perspective." think from an engineering perspective." I would go, okay, you absolutely have to I would go, okay, you absolutely have to I would go, okay, you absolutely have to have a thriving middle class. You cannot have a thriving middle class. You cannot have a thriving middle class. You cannot have the distance between the poor and have the distance between the poor and have the distance between the poor and the wealthy that you have right now. So the wealthy that you have right now. So the wealthy that you have right now. So then you start asking, well, how do I then you start asking, well, how do I then you start asking, well, how do I get there? And if you ask the left, get there? And if you ask the left, get there? And if you ask the left, they're going to say you take from the they're going to say you take from the they're going to say you take from the wealthy and redistribute to the poor, wealthy and redistribute to the poor, wealthy and redistribute to the poor, which does not work. So you have to do which does not work. So you have to do which does not work. So you have to do it through force. Uh, which I have I it through force. Uh, which I have I it through force. Uh, which I have I certainly go down that path uh from an certainly go down that path uh from an certainly go down that path uh from an explanation. My my um community's heard explanation. My my um community's heard explanation. My my um community's heard it before. Uh the other one is you have it before. Uh the other one is you have it before. Uh the other one is you have to create a situation where there's to create a situation where there's to create a situation where there's tolerable inequality but that you don't tolerable inequality but that you don't tolerable inequality but that you don't get intolerable or toxic inequality. And get intolerable or toxic inequality. And get intolerable or toxic inequality. And how do you stop that? You stop that by how do you stop that? You stop that by how do you stop that? You stop that by having a balanced budget. having a balanced budget. having a balanced budget. >> Uh because that stops inflation. >> Uh because that stops inflation. >> Uh because that stops inflation. Inflation stops all of the money from Inflation stops all of the money from Inflation stops all of the money from fleeing into the stock market which is fleeing into the stock market which is fleeing into the stock market which is how the value goes up and up and up. And how the value goes up and up and up. And how the value goes up and up and up. And so anyone I've never heard an argument so anyone I've never heard an argument so anyone I've never heard an argument and I look for them for how you solve and I look for them for how you solve and I look for them for how you solve the current um what feels like a the current um what feels like a the current um what feels like a cultural problem unless you address the cultural problem unless you address the cultural problem unless you address the economic problem. economic problem. economic problem. >> What's the problem or you're saying in >> What's the problem or you're saying in >> What's the problem or you're saying in general any problem? general any problem? general any problem? >> No, no, no. The the the economic problem >> No, no, no. The the the economic problem >> No, no, no. The the the economic problem that we are dealing with right now that that we are dealing with right now that that we are dealing with right now that we deal with all throughout history we deal with all throughout history we deal with all throughout history always and forever is exactly the same. always and forever is exactly the same. always and forever is exactly the same. It is debt and deficit spending. And if It is debt and deficit spending. And if It is debt and deficit spending. And if you understand what that's caused by and you understand what that's caused by and you understand what that's caused by and you stop that, then you would naturally you stop that, then you would naturally you stop that, then you would naturally find yourself working back out of this find yourself working back out of this find yourself working back out of this problem. But you can't in a in a country problem. But you can't in a in a country problem. But you can't in a in a country that creates its own currency. that creates its own currency. that creates its own currency. The only the only option is to create a The only the only option is to create a The only the only option is to create a deflationary pressure on the currency deflationary pressure on the currency deflationary pressure on the currency like what Clinton did when he got when like what Clinton did when he got when like what Clinton did when he got when he was in office. But to create he was in office. But to create he was in office. But to create deflation on the currency is essentially deflation on the currency is essentially deflation on the currency is essentially to cost companies more than it costs to cost companies more than it costs to cost companies more than it costs consumers. So you're already inside of a consumers. So you're already inside of a consumers. So you're already inside of a frame of reference and the frame of frame of reference and the frame of frame of reference and the frame of reference that you're inside of is the reference that you're inside of is the reference that you're inside of is the central bank. Once you have a central central bank. Once you have a central central bank. Once you have a central bank, you're just asking politicians, bank, you're just asking politicians, bank, you're just asking politicians, hey, please don't abuse the ability to hey, please don't abuse the ability to hey, please don't abuse the ability to create money. And for a long time, they create money. And for a long time, they create money. And for a long time, they won't. That's why these cycles take won't. That's why these cycles take won't. That's why these cycles take between 150 and 250 years. between 150 and 250 years. between 150 and 250 years. >> But they always break. Always. And they >> But they always break. Always. And they >> But they always break. Always. And they always print more money. always print more money. always print more money. >> Yeah, they they always fail for the same >> Yeah, they they always fail for the same >> Yeah, they they always fail for the same reason. Once you realize you can print reason. Once you realize you can print reason. Once you realize you can print the money, it's just the temptation is the money, it's just the temptation is the money, it's just the temptation is too strong. And then once you get the too strong. And then once you get the too strong. And then once you get the the weaknesses, the 2000 crash, the 2008 the weaknesses, the 2000 crash, the 2008 the weaknesses, the 2000 crash, the 2008 crash, uh COVID, you get those three crash, uh COVID, you get those three crash, uh COVID, you get those three successive things and now all of a successive things and now all of a successive things and now all of a sudden the sudden the sudden the economics, you just like you have to economics, you just like you have to economics, you just like you have to keep printing. You have to keep keep printing. You have to keep keep printing. You have to keep printing. And that's creating this crazy printing. And that's creating this crazy printing. And that's creating this crazy K-shaped economy which then gives rise K-shaped economy which then gives rise K-shaped economy which then gives rise to populism which is exactly why Trump to populism which is exactly why Trump to populism which is exactly why Trump happens 8 years after the 2008 financial happens 8 years after the 2008 financial happens 8 years after the 2008 financial crisis. And now you're in deep. crisis. And now you're in deep. crisis. And now you're in deep. >> So do you see a solution? Do you see a >> So do you see a solution? Do you see a >> So do you see a solution? Do you see a way out? way out? way out? >> There is a way out but I don't think >> There is a way out but I don't think >> There is a way out but I don't think that we're going to take it. It's what that we're going to take it. It's what that we're going to take it. It's what Radalio calls a beautiful deleveraging. Radalio calls a beautiful deleveraging. Radalio calls a beautiful deleveraging. There's basically four forces. One of There's basically four forces. One of There's basically four forces. One of them is to um move in the opposite them is to um move in the opposite them is to um move in the opposite direction so that you're not just direction so that you're not just direction so that you're not just inflating your currency, but you're inflating your currency, but you're inflating your currency, but you're going to have to do some inflation still going to have to do some inflation still going to have to do some inflation still because you've got to spark the economy. because you've got to spark the economy. because you've got to spark the economy. You have to do some redistribution of You have to do some redistribution of You have to do some redistribution of wealth. You have to do some increasing wealth. You have to do some increasing wealth. You have to do some increasing of taxes. Um and you have to balance of taxes. Um and you have to balance of taxes. Um and you have to balance your [ __ ] budget. And so the one your [ __ ] budget. And so the one your [ __ ] budget. And so the one thing austerity, one thing that people thing austerity, one thing that people thing austerity, one thing that people aren't going to do is the austerity. And aren't going to do is the austerity. And aren't going to do is the austerity. And so we're just we're in the spiral now so we're just we're in the spiral now so we're just we're in the spiral now where barring some major change and this where barring some major change and this where barring some major change and this is why I say Trump's gambit is that he's is why I say Trump's gambit is that he's is why I say Trump's gambit is that he's going to grow his way out of this. So going to grow his way out of this. So going to grow his way out of this. So your only two options are to basically your only two options are to basically your only two options are to basically devalue the currency like crazy. Uh devalue the currency like crazy. Uh devalue the currency like crazy. Uh which he's doing. It's not great, but which he's doing. It's not great, but which he's doing. It's not great, but he's doing it. And then you have to grow he's doing it. And then you have to grow he's doing it. And then you have to grow even faster than you devalue the even faster than you devalue the even faster than you devalue the currency so that you can get growth in currency so that you can get growth in currency so that you can get growth in your economy, pay off the debt with the your economy, pay off the debt with the your economy, pay off the debt with the uh weaker dollar. Um, but if you can uh weaker dollar. Um, but if you can uh weaker dollar. Um, but if you can return manufacturing back by making your return manufacturing back by making your return manufacturing back by making your exports cheaper because you lowered the exports cheaper because you lowered the exports cheaper because you lowered the value of the dollar, now you can value of the dollar, now you can value of the dollar, now you can actually do that. Now you've got working actually do that. Now you've got working actually do that. Now you've got working class jobs again. But of course, it's class jobs again. But of course, it's class jobs again. But of course, it's all happening right at the same time as all happening right at the same time as all happening right at the same time as AI, which is going to be an unknown AI, which is going to be an unknown AI, which is going to be an unknown disruption. disruption. disruption. >> Or yeah, or potentially AI is what >> Or yeah, or potentially AI is what >> Or yeah, or potentially AI is what contributes to making things so much contributes to making things so much contributes to making things so much less expensive. And then the less expensive. And then the less expensive. And then the inexpensiveness of what we create plus inexpensiveness of what we create plus inexpensiveness of what we create plus the reduced value of the dollar. AI the reduced value of the dollar. AI the reduced value of the dollar. AI basically saves the day. I'm sure that's basically saves the day. I'm sure that's basically saves the day. I'm sure that's one potential outcome, too. one potential outcome, too. one potential outcome, too. >> It literally Now, if you were going to >> It literally Now, if you were going to >> It literally Now, if you were going to um steal, man, the argument of Europe um steal, man, the argument of Europe um steal, man, the argument of Europe doing this better, because there are doing this better, because there are doing this better, because there are definitely going to be people in the definitely going to be people in the definitely going to be people in the comments right now that are like, comments right now that are like, comments right now that are like, Andrew, come on. You've got this chance Andrew, come on. You've got this chance Andrew, come on. You've got this chance to show this capitalistic [ __ ] like to show this capitalistic [ __ ] like to show this capitalistic [ __ ] like how this actually works. Um what what is how this actually works. Um what what is how this actually works. Um what what is the thing that makes you look at Europe the thing that makes you look at Europe the thing that makes you look at Europe and go, that's better? And so there's I and go, that's better? And so there's I and go, that's better? And so there's I think there's two things based off of think there's two things based off of think there's two things based off of what we're talking about. And I again I what we're talking about. And I again I what we're talking about. And I again I don't think that the gap between us is don't think that the gap between us is don't think that the gap between us is too significant. I think that it might too significant. I think that it might too significant. I think that it might be a bit of nuanced um how we how we be a bit of nuanced um how we how we be a bit of nuanced um how we how we define our terms. Right? So when I talk define our terms. Right? So when I talk define our terms. Right? So when I talk about capitalism, what I'm talking about about capitalism, what I'm talking about about capitalism, what I'm talking about is generating money. um creating a is generating money. um creating a is generating money. um creating a profit, generating money, making a good profit, generating money, making a good profit, generating money, making a good or a service that's of need, and then or a service that's of need, and then or a service that's of need, and then pricing it as high as possible to the pricing it as high as possible to the pricing it as high as possible to the person who can't get that good or that person who can't get that good or that person who can't get that good or that good or product on their own, that good good or product on their own, that good good or product on their own, that good or service on their own. So then they're or service on their own. So then they're or service on their own. So then they're willing to exchange maximum optimal willing to exchange maximum optimal willing to exchange maximum optimal currency money in exchange for the currency money in exchange for the currency money in exchange for the service or good that they're getting. In service or good that they're getting. In service or good that they're getting. In the United States, we are very focused the United States, we are very focused the United States, we are very focused on capitalism. How much money can I on capitalism. How much money can I on capitalism. How much money can I make? How can I make optimal money? How make? How can I make optimal money? How make? How can I make optimal money? How can I make a bad pizza at a high price? can I make a bad pizza at a high price? can I make a bad pizza at a high price? rather than making a good pizza at a low rather than making a good pizza at a low rather than making a good pizza at a low price. That's that's how we think in the price. That's that's how we think in the price. That's that's how we think in the United States. That's how and that's not United States. That's how and that's not United States. That's how and that's not how everybody thinks, but that's how the how everybody thinks, but that's how the how everybody thinks, but that's how the wealthiest most successful businesses wealthiest most successful businesses wealthiest most successful businesses become the wealthiest most successful become the wealthiest most successful become the wealthiest most successful businesses because they are able to businesses because they are able to businesses because they are able to optimize their pricing. That is a very optimize their pricing. That is a very optimize their pricing. That is a very capitalistic thing. And then we we have capitalistic thing. And then we we have capitalistic thing. And then we we have all traditionally we have carried that all traditionally we have carried that all traditionally we have carried that mentality into other parts of our life mentality into other parts of our life mentality into other parts of our life as well. It's why Americans are obsessed as well. It's why Americans are obsessed as well. It's why Americans are obsessed with efficiencies, right? How do I how with efficiencies, right? How do I how with efficiencies, right? How do I how do I make the the house the most do I make the the house the most do I make the the house the most efficient price to heat or cool? I mean, efficient price to heat or cool? I mean, efficient price to heat or cool? I mean, for for most people, the only reason for for most people, the only reason for for most people, the only reason they invest in solar or insulated they invest in solar or insulated they invest in solar or insulated windows isn't because they care about windows isn't because they care about windows isn't because they care about the climate. It's because they're trying the climate. It's because they're trying the climate. It's because they're trying to take the cost of insulated windows to take the cost of insulated windows to take the cost of insulated windows over the next 10 years against the cost over the next 10 years against the cost over the next 10 years against the cost of heating or cooling my house for the of heating or cooling my house for the of heating or cooling my house for the same 10-year period. And will I save same 10-year period. And will I save same 10-year period. And will I save money or not? So, we've got this this money or not? So, we've got this this money or not? So, we've got this this focus on efficiency that just doesn't focus on efficiency that just doesn't focus on efficiency that just doesn't exist outside of the United States. Not exist outside of the United States. Not exist outside of the United States. Not in Asia, not in not in Europe, not in in Asia, not in not in Europe, not in in Asia, not in not in Europe, not in Africa, not in Latin America. So when I Africa, not in Latin America. So when I Africa, not in Latin America. So when I talk about a capitalist country, that's talk about a capitalist country, that's talk about a capitalist country, that's what I'm talking about is this this what I'm talking about is this this what I'm talking about is this this relentless desire for more and more relentless desire for more and more relentless desire for more and more efficiency rooted in the idea that we efficiency rooted in the idea that we efficiency rooted in the idea that we want to be very efficient with the money want to be very efficient with the money want to be very efficient with the money that we earn versus the money that we that we earn versus the money that we that we earn versus the money that we spend. spend. spend. That efficiency doesn't exist in Europe. That efficiency doesn't exist in Europe. That efficiency doesn't exist in Europe. So in Europe, their governance, their So in Europe, their governance, their So in Europe, their governance, their institutions are happy to be fat and institutions are happy to be fat and institutions are happy to be fat and slow and inefficient and overinflated slow and inefficient and overinflated slow and inefficient and overinflated and they have to charge their people an and they have to charge their people an and they have to charge their people an incredible amount of taxes to pay for incredible amount of taxes to pay for incredible amount of taxes to pay for the big bloated bureaucracy that they the big bloated bureaucracy that they the big bloated bureaucracy that they have and they give up on the opportunity have and they give up on the opportunity have and they give up on the opportunity for fast rapid decision-m because for fast rapid decision-m because for fast rapid decision-m because everybody has to have seven different everybody has to have seven different everybody has to have seven different committees before they go anywhere. I'm committees before they go anywhere. I'm committees before they go anywhere. I'm not saying it's better than the United not saying it's better than the United not saying it's better than the United States. What I'm saying is that they States. What I'm saying is that they States. What I'm saying is that they will continue to to value this will continue to to value this will continue to to value this bureaucratic bloatedness bureaucratic bloatedness bureaucratic bloatedness because it will they believe prevent because it will they believe prevent because it will they believe prevent them from becoming this capitalist them from becoming this capitalist them from becoming this capitalist villain right away. Is there room for villain right away. Is there room for villain right away. Is there room for corruption? Of course, all institutions corruption? Of course, all institutions corruption? Of course, all institutions can be corrupted, right? And is there is can be corrupted, right? And is there is can be corrupted, right? And is there is there an incentive in Europe for the there an incentive in Europe for the there an incentive in Europe for the middle class to try to earn more or make middle class to try to earn more or make middle class to try to earn more or make more? Not really. I've I've traveled more? Not really. I've I've traveled more? Not really. I've I've traveled throughout Europe and I've I've been throughout Europe and I've I've been throughout Europe and I've I've been shocked at the lack of individual shocked at the lack of individual shocked at the lack of individual ambition and drive among most people. ambition and drive among most people. ambition and drive among most people. And when you just look at the number of And when you just look at the number of And when you just look at the number of millionaires and billionaires in the millionaires and billionaires in the millionaires and billionaires in the world, you can very clearly see that if world, you can very clearly see that if world, you can very clearly see that if they start in Europe, they end up coming they start in Europe, they end up coming they start in Europe, they end up coming to the United States because they to the United States because they to the United States because they culturally don't fit into that culturally don't fit into that culturally don't fit into that environment. environment. environment. All of that being said, All of that being said, All of that being said, one of Europe's biggest weaknesses is one of Europe's biggest weaknesses is one of Europe's biggest weaknesses is the fact that it has been able to since the fact that it has been able to since the fact that it has been able to since 1945 live in this bubble of what's the 1945 live in this bubble of what's the 1945 live in this bubble of what's the right democratic process instead of in a right democratic process instead of in a right democratic process instead of in a bubble of we need to protect our bubble of we need to protect our bubble of we need to protect our borders. We need to be strong. We need borders. We need to be strong. We need borders. We need to be strong. We need to keep ourselves safe. It was only this to keep ourselves safe. It was only this to keep ourselves safe. It was only this morning that the French president morning that the French president morning that the French president Macarron came out and said that to be Macarron came out and said that to be Macarron came out and said that to be free, you must be feared. And he talked free, you must be feared. And he talked free, you must be feared. And he talked about that in the context of the fact about that in the context of the fact about that in the context of the fact that that France is deploying nuclear that that France is deploying nuclear that that France is deploying nuclear tipped air-to-air ground missiles all tipped air-to-air ground missiles all tipped air-to-air ground missiles all across its European allies. Tactical across its European allies. Tactical across its European allies. Tactical nukes being actively deployed um not not nukes being actively deployed um not not nukes being actively deployed um not not used in war but but prepositioned used in war but but prepositioned used in war but but prepositioned forward deployed so they can be called forward deployed so they can be called forward deployed so they can be called upon. So now we're already seeing how upon. So now we're already seeing how upon. So now we're already seeing how Europe is following our lead. Europe is Europe is following our lead. Europe is Europe is following our lead. Europe is following the authoritarian model more following the authoritarian model more following the authoritarian model more so now than it was in the past. To be so now than it was in the past. To be so now than it was in the past. To be free, you must be feared. That is a very free, you must be feared. That is a very free, you must be feared. That is a very different message than what they different message than what they different message than what they believed in the past, right? To be free, believed in the past, right? To be free, believed in the past, right? To be free, you must be you must be fair. To be you must be you must be fair. To be you must be you must be fair. To be free, you must be uh you have a common free, you must be uh you have a common free, you must be uh you have a common goal. Whatever else, just like you were goal. Whatever else, just like you were goal. Whatever else, just like you were saying earlier, like the the Mavelian saying earlier, like the the Mavelian saying earlier, like the the Mavelian book that you were talking about where book that you were talking about where book that you were talking about where where we need a common narrative to put where we need a common narrative to put where we need a common narrative to put us all together. In my experience, that us all together. In my experience, that us all together. In my experience, that is all true. That is all real. And we is all true. That is all real. And we is all true. That is all real. And we are struggling right now because there are struggling right now because there are struggling right now because there is no common is no common is no common valid credible authoritative not valid credible authoritative not valid credible authoritative not authoritarian but authoritative authoritarian but authoritative authoritarian but authoritative narrative for us to follow. So we are narrative for us to follow. So we are narrative for us to follow. So we are surrounded on all sides by bad options. surrounded on all sides by bad options. surrounded on all sides by bad options. And the only way that we are going to be And the only way that we are going to be And the only way that we are going to be able to navigate through bad options is able to navigate through bad options is able to navigate through bad options is either through a lens of what we believe either through a lens of what we believe either through a lens of what we believe to be fair, just, right, correct, to be fair, just, right, correct, to be fair, just, right, correct, tolerable, or we kind of pursue tolerable, or we kind of pursue tolerable, or we kind of pursue options and recognize that some of the options and recognize that some of the options and recognize that some of the steps and decisions that we make along steps and decisions that we make along steps and decisions that we make along the path of choosing options will just the path of choosing options will just the path of choosing options will just make us more and more miserable. It's make us more and more miserable. It's make us more and more miserable. It's like the person who ends up pursuing a like the person who ends up pursuing a like the person who ends up pursuing a career in law even though they hate law career in law even though they hate law career in law even though they hate law because they want more options where the because they want more options where the because they want more options where the person who goes into nonprofit work person who goes into nonprofit work person who goes into nonprofit work never makes enough money but has an never makes enough money but has an never makes enough money but has an abundance of happiness in their job. I'm abundance of happiness in their job. I'm abundance of happiness in their job. I'm not one to talk about being happy. I'm not one to talk about being happy. I'm not one to talk about being happy. I'm not one to talk about being wealthy. not one to talk about being wealthy. not one to talk about being wealthy. >> I'm the kind of person who kind of jumps >> I'm the kind of person who kind of jumps >> I'm the kind of person who kind of jumps between sometimes I feel like sometimes between sometimes I feel like sometimes between sometimes I feel like sometimes I feel like I want more options. I feel like I want more options. I feel like I want more options. Sometimes I feel like I want to live a Sometimes I feel like I want to live a Sometimes I feel like I want to live a little bit happier and more comfortable little bit happier and more comfortable little bit happier and more comfortable and and I've got the freedom to make and and I've got the freedom to make and and I've got the freedom to make those decisions. So, we are all in a those decisions. So, we are all in a those decisions. So, we are all in a world now where we've been promised that world now where we've been promised that world now where we've been promised that we're going to be wealthy. And now we're we're going to be wealthy. And now we're we're going to be wealthy. And now we're realizing that's not really true. Just realizing that's not really true. Just realizing that's not really true. Just like the generations before us, we we've like the generations before us, we we've like the generations before us, we we've watched our parents not get wealthy. watched our parents not get wealthy. watched our parents not get wealthy. We've watched our grandparents not We've watched our grandparents not We've watched our grandparents not retire wealthy. And now here we are, retire wealthy. And now here we are, retire wealthy. And now here we are, anybody between the ages of 25 and 55, anybody between the ages of 25 and 55, anybody between the ages of 25 and 55, staring in the mirror and saying, "Shit, staring in the mirror and saying, "Shit, staring in the mirror and saying, "Shit, man." Like, I believed all this for a man." Like, I believed all this for a man." Like, I believed all this for a long time, and now I'm coming to grips long time, and now I'm coming to grips long time, and now I'm coming to grips with something I've I can see, but it's with something I've I can see, but it's with something I've I can see, but it's different than what I believe. So, I different than what I believe. So, I different than what I believe. So, I have that cognitive dissonance again. have that cognitive dissonance again. have that cognitive dissonance again. >> Well, we shall see. As we said at the >> Well, we shall see. As we said at the >> Well, we shall see. As we said at the very beginning, fog of war. Uh, it is very beginning, fog of war. Uh, it is very beginning, fog of war. Uh, it is unknown exactly how this is going to unknown exactly how this is going to unknown exactly how this is going to play out, but man, your analysis is play out, but man, your analysis is play out, but man, your analysis is super super helpful. Where can people super super helpful. Where can people super super helpful. Where can people keep up with you? keep up with you? keep up with you? >> Absolutely. You'll find me at >> Absolutely. You'll find me at >> Absolutely. You'll find me at everydayspy.com. It's the company that I everydayspy.com. It's the company that I everydayspy.com. It's the company that I own. You'll find me on YouTube at Andrew own. You'll find me on YouTube at Andrew own. You'll find me on YouTube at Andrew Bamante. And if you Google me anywhere, Bamante. And if you Google me anywhere, Bamante. And if you Google me anywhere, you'll you'll find Andrew Bamonte you'll you'll find Andrew Bamonte you'll you'll find Andrew Bamonte probably more places than you want to probably more places than you want to probably more places than you want to find me. find me. find me. >> I love it. Hopefully, this ends way too >> I love it. Hopefully, this ends way too >> I love it. Hopefully, this ends way too quick for us to have you back on, but quick for us to have you back on, but quick for us to have you back on, but uh, God forbid it drags out. We'll uh, God forbid it drags out. We'll uh, God forbid it drags out. We'll definitely uh do this again, man. Really definitely uh do this again, man. Really definitely uh do this again, man. Really appreciate you taking the time. Thanks, appreciate you taking the time. Thanks, appreciate you taking the time. Thanks, brother. brother. brother. >> Of course. All right, everybody. If you >> Of course. All right, everybody. If you >> Of course. 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I would love to get an explanation here. I would love to get an explanation here. I would love to get an explanation on that. Like, what is here exactly? on that. Like, what is here exactly? on that. Like, what is here exactly? >> Yeah. Well, I mean, first by let's start >> Yeah. Well, I mean, first by let's start >> Yeah. Well, I mean, first by let's start by saying that uh the