Eckhart Tolle: 99% Of People MANIFEST The Wrong Way (Here’s How To Fix It)

Key Takeaway

Most psychological suffering arises not from your circumstances, but from the stories your mind tells you about those circumstances. The path to peace begins with a simple practice: When you feel upset, ask yourself, 'What problem do I have right now, in this exact moment?' You'll often discover that without the mental narrative, the present moment itself is actually free of problems. Make the present moment your friend, not your enemy, and your whole life begins to change.

Episode Overview

In this profound conversation, Eckhart Tolle explores the root causes of human suffering and the path to inner peace through present-moment awareness. The discussion covers the distinction between life situations (which exist in time) and life itself (which is always now), the nature of ego and consciousness, and practical methods for breaking free from the mind's narratives. Tolle emphasizes that most psychological suffering comes from mental stories rather than actual circumstances, and that awakening begins when we realize we are the awareness observing our thoughts, not the thoughts themselves.

Full Transcript

Transcript of Eckhart Tolle: 99% Of People MANIFEST The Wrong Way (Here’s How To Fix It) from The School of Greatness. Auto-generated from episode audio; may contain minor errors.

Millions of people in this world live with this heaviness and they don't realize this heaviness that they call my life is actually a narrative that they tell themselves. That mind made sense of self is ultimately fictional. Can you see how insane that is? You've been one of my great inspirations here on the planet guided millions and millions of people to an understanding of who they really are. Echartole your relationship with the present mold is dysfunctional. your entire life is dysfunctional. Make the present moment your friend and your whole life begins to change.

If someone watching or listening is saying, "Well, my present is really challenging right now. How can I actually enjoy the present when I'm in breakdown everywhere?" breakdown everywhere?" breakdown everywhere?" The problem is lives in the mind to get out of that. I've got a number of topics today. One being about the law of attraction. I want to talk about stress and anxiety. I want to talk about why people suffer and how to get out of suffering. I want to talk about relationships and how to know when you're in a healthy dynamic in relationships.

All these things I want to talk about today. But the first one, I felt like I was trapped in suffering for so many years. And I didn't know how to get out of this suffering, anxious, stressful feeling that would come and go, that would ruminate at night, that would keep me up at night, that would make me anxious in social settings, that would make me feel like I wasn't good enough. And I know people feel a sense of suffering, anxiety, overwhelm, and stress today, which seems like more than ever.

I'm curious with all of your wisdom and experience, how can we overcome or eliminate stress and suffering and anxiety in our lives when it seems to be crippling us? Usually if you are um not conscious of how your mind operates and many people still are not conscious of how their mind operates they uh locate the all the source of their troubles outside themselves. So they perceive uh the um whatever their life situation is and every life situation is to some extent problematic. problematic. problematic. There's no life situation that is totally perfect where everything is going well.

uh no matter how much you practice positive thinking which is of course a wonderful thing to do nevertheless there will always be things that are problematic in every life situation. Uh so la life always challenges you. No matter no matter what stage you're at in your life, you get new challenges. Even if you are highly conscious or in let's say enlightened, even the enlightened person still gets challenged by life situations. And that's a good thing. We may come back to that a little bit later. Um Um Um the beginning of an awakening for people out of their this um their suffering is the the realization that uh most of the psychological suffering because this is what we're talking about.

We're not talking about tooth ache or anything like that. like that. like that. We're talking about psychological suffering. Uh the psychological suffering arises from stories that you tell yourself in your mind about situations about your life or your life situation. situation. situation. As a practical exercise for to introduce this teaching to people, I sometimes recommend this next time you find yourself in a situation that um in which suffering arises and suffering of course is a generic term. It can come in many forms. Uh on one end of the spectrum, suffering is just feeling irritated or upset about something.

It might be a minor thing but you feel irritated. On the other end of the spectrum there's deep despair, deep depression and sadness uh or extreme forms of anxiety, panic and all that. So you have the two and in between there's a wide range of different forms of suffering that arise and very often they are not recognized as suffering by people. If you if you're not conscious of how your mind operates, you don't even know that you are suffering. you don't even know that there is another way that there would be another way in which you could experience this particular situation.

So I recommend next time you find you you become upset about something or irritated which is a form of suffer minor form of suffering experiment. I say let's let's imagine a situation that these things happen quite often to people. You're in a lineup. Let's say it's at the airport. Airport is a source where often people experience uh psychological suffering because things don't don't go the way they expect them to go. Yes, especially these days. So, you're in a lineup and that uh it's not moving. You're you're getting more and more irritated and upset or it could be anywhere.

You're waiting but it's not happening. You're waiting there or in a traffic time or on the telephone nobody's answering just you get automated message that says your call is important to us and the food waiting time is 45 minutes or whatever say and you feel more and more you get angry and irritated. Now I recommend the following practice because you're standing there or waiting there. You might as well practice. practice. practice. Ask yourself how would I experience this situation if I did not add any interpretation or any thought to it?

How would I experience this moment? If I didn't add any thought to it, if I did not interpret it in any way. If I just allowed this to be as it is without uh um burdening it with this baggage of thought. So okay, let's say you're standing in this liner and it's you're very irritated. So how would I experience this if I did not in other words if I did not in my mind say this is bad is bad is bad and and all the other thought that come after that then because when you say this is bad then the next thought comes my life is bad and then you get a whole string of associated thoughts that are negative.

How would I experience this moment without adding any thought to it? Okay. So there you stand and this would bring your attention into the present moment and so your attention moves into the present moment and in this present moment you're standing there and you're breathing you're looking around people moving the the whatever the role is you find yourself in. You're breathing. You're perceiving things, people. And suddenly suddenly suddenly you may find that this moment is actually free of suffering. The suffering did not arise was not caused by by the external circumstance.

It was caused by the narrative in your mind about this circumstance. That's a huge distinction. And this is you begin to live consciously when you realize this. Until you realize that you live unconsciously, which means in spiritual terms to live unconsciously is to be totally identified with whatever your mind is saying. The the the the I call it the voice in the head, the narrative in your mind that tells you about how good how bad things are, how how they should be. They they are but they shouldn't be.

They should be different but they are as they are always in this moment. You can't change this moment. this moment. this moment. Uh so you become aware. This was discovered by the way uh 2,000 years ago by by by not very well-known ancient Greek philosopher Epictitus. philosopher Epictitus. philosopher Epictitus. And he said uh the the the most of your suffering is derived from what your mind is telling you about the situation but not from the situation itself. Mhm. And that's an enormous realization and that can be the beginning of an awakening to see that the narrative in your mind is mostly what causes the suffering of it is possible of course that an external situation may cause physical discomfort.

Obviously yes that's pos your legs are hurting or back is hurting or it's too cold or too hot. physical discomfort. Of course, that's possible. But that is not suffering in the sense in which we use this term right here. right here. right here. Now, Now, Now, the psychological suffering, unhappiness is another word you could use. It's a generic term for any form of negativity inside yourself. Unhappiness, suffering. So you begin to realize that most of that arises from a mental narrative about a situation or about your circumstances but not from the circumstances themselves.

circumstances themselves. circumstances themselves. And when and then you can begin to practice practice practice every time you feel upset is arising, some form of negative anger is arising, some form of negativity, uh blaming people in situations and saying this shouldn't be happening or something is not happening but it should be happening or they should do this or they shouldn't do it. All kinds of narratives in your mind. So your spiritual awakening is you're beginning to be aware of what your mind is saying. Uh the stories that you're telling yourself about situations, situations, situations, but also the stories you're telling yourself about what you call your life.

So because people there are millions of people in this world who live with a very painful sense of identity. The they they perceive their life as a burden. So they live with this heaviness and they don't realize don't realize don't realize what they this heaviness that they call my life is actually a narrative that they tell themselves and they say that's me all the things that have happened to me the dreadful things in the past that people did to me or circumstances did to me or maybe even the bad things that I did.

So you get a very heavy identity builds up builds up builds up and that becomes your sense of self and people don't realize it's a it's a story you're continuously telling yourself in your mind but you are so identified with a story that you don't exist you outside of the story. story. story. So that's um that is what uh the what in in in some spiritual traditions is called the self. The Buddha called it the self which is the the mindmade sense of self which the Buddha said which ultimately he recognized that that mindmade sense of self is ultimately a kind of fiction that you that you live through.

through. through. Uh so now when you realize that this is the case this means at the that at this point of realization another dimension of consciousness has arisen in you which is not your mind. We could call it awareness or we could call it presence. So when you realize what your mind is doing that is not part of the conceptual mind that that works through uh stories and words and concepts. It is a deeper or you could say deeper or higher dimension of consciousness that suddenly has arisen.

I often call it presence. Uh but another good word for it is awareness. So awareness is the ability to know what your mind is doing. And then the wonderful thing is at first it's just glimpses when you detach from the mind you say oh wow and then you have more moments when you're not suffering because you allow this moment to be as it is. Who but who are we when we detach from our own mind? Ah very good question. Yes. So at first you were identified with the the conceptual mind, the story making mind and you you your sense of identity was the story of me, my past, my memories, my beliefs, my that's right that's right that's right all all these thoughts that are that are accumulated in my the bank of my mind from the past that I've told myself this happened to me.

This is what's wrong with me. this is why I'm not good enough or this person did this or whatever. Exactly. Exactly. Uh now when the awareness arises, your sense of who you are, your sense of identity identity identity begins to shift from being lodged in the conceptual mind, the voice in the head. It goes to a deeper place and you realize who you are in your essence is actually the awareness itself and that is a an amazing realization. Uh the in other words this is a dimension of consciousness that is I call it beyond thought.

beyond thought. beyond thought. Thinking is a is a wonderful thing. Thinking is a very powerful tool for creating. creating. creating. However, if thinking is all we have and we look we look we look for our identity in in the mind, then that is very limiting. If if thinking is used as a tool, it's very powerful and empowering and can be very creative. But if thinking becomes selfserving, in other words, you're completely identified with this stream of thinking that never for most people never stops all through the day.

This they're talking to themselves. There's a voice in the head. Sometimes they talk they say I. Sometimes they talk to themselves and you you shouldn't have done that. You're not good enough. Yeah. All these things. Uh so the this is this this is the most well the most important thing in a person's life. Uh and this is why we're here is to experience this shift in consciousness so that so that so that increasingly increasingly increasingly in glimpses at first but then increasingly increasingly increasingly your sense of who you are is the space of awareness the presence.

Does that does that mean there's two of us? One could say that there is on the one hand I sometimes call it on the one hand you have your form identity. Your form is the post of physical body which is the first thing people identify with but really it's not the physical body is the mental image of my body which may be happy about or either it can the body can be a source of pride which can be a source of shame or anything in between.

And so people identify with my body. That's the first identification. And the next is the psychological form of me. All the things that I identify with in my past. The past makes up who I think I am. All the past conditioning starting in childhood. The way by which the culture in which you grow up, the family in which you grow up. All those things be become part of your identity. So you have form I call it form identity on the one end and everybody obviously has one no matter how conscious you are.

You continue to have a physical body until you don't and you have a form identity psychological form. But the there there is a deeper identity also that and this is spiritual awakening awakening awakening that is I call it essence identity. Your essence essence essence and your essence is if we want to put a we use the term awareness and we use the term presence term presence term presence but another term we can use what that really is is consciousness. The essence of who you are is consciousness.

The light of consciousness itself. consciousness itself. consciousness itself. And this is not this is something to be experienced. You cannot understand conceptually what it is that I'm talking about. Unless you experience in this moment perhaps. Well, it's the only moment there is. Unless you experience what that means that that you are a set in essence you are consciousness the the space or the light of consciousness between two thoughts for example sometimes uh there's a thought that comes to an end another thought hasn't arisen yet you have a gap of 5 seconds or 10 seconds and and and uh uh uh this is this is is an experiential thing.

To realize yourself as consciousness is it implies that for at first for very brief instances the mind becomes still it subsides but you are still there. So when you are not let's say uh let's assume that you you let go of any memory of your past uh because you don't need it right now. Let's you don't remember your past at all um or your name or anything uh and you're not thinking about future. In fact, you're not thinking at all, but you are aware. You're aware of your sense perceptions, but you're not interpreting sense perceptions.

You're allowing sense perceptions to be. Now, who or what are you when you're not telling yourself who or what you are, who or what are you without the story? And some some people are afraid of that. They they're so attached to the story, they can't let go. But it's a wonderful practice for some people. They only let go when the story that they have their that they call their life becomes so painful that they can't stand it anymore. anymore. anymore. And then sometimes they experience a breakthrough.

breakthrough. breakthrough. But why do so many people hold on to their their pain identity, their past story for decades sometimes? Why do they hold on to it so long when you might see their friends and family seeing that they're suffering and struggling, but they're unwilling to break free of this old identity or current identity they've been holding on to for so long. Sometimes, like you said, people will finally, it gets so bad, they finally let that identity go. Why does it take an extreme an extreme an extreme horrible breakdown or pain for people to finally say, you know, this old story of mine, this old identity doesn't work for me anymore?

I want to let it go and step into a new identity. Why is that so challenging for people? Well, it's we all inherit, it goes back thousands of years in a collective consciousness or unconscious humanity. We'll all inherit this kind of dysfunction, a mental. Of course, another word for that is the ego. ego. ego. It is the human ego. Ego. Sometimes when people use the term ego, they interpret it in different ways than there is the the egos that used by Freud, the Freudian ego and other egos.

But when I use the term ego or when it's used in a spiritual context, ego simply means complete identification with your mind with the uh thinking the mental emotional uh makeup of you. That's ego is complete identification with that and so that's deeply ingrained. Every human being inherits that kind of dysfunction and so it's so hard to let go because it's so deeply ingrained in in every by the conditioning of your mind and uh so some people need an enormous amount of suffering and even even with that some people don't awaken even then they they be unhappy until they die or they die e even at an early age because the the the body can't stand the unhappiness anymore.

It isn't functioning properly anymore because the the the mental state interferes with the otherwise harmonious functioning of the body. So they make themselves ill through stress. Right? It's a so we are faced with it's it's an enormous it's a it's also very it's a challenging and wonderful thing to realize that your your purpose here be beyond any purpose that you might have on a personal level which also has a function but your deeper purpose is to to evolve as a conscious being and to go beyond the ego here so that consciousness evolves you because You only you're an expression of universal consciousness and universal consciousness throughout the universe is awakening.

We live in an awakening universe. So gradually life forms in in our case the urine life form becomes begin to awaken into a higher level of consciousness. Yes. Uh so the this so the the the essence here is realizing this the possibility of uh uh living in this a different state of consciousness where you're not necessarily always immediately thinking and interpreting things. And and if there's someone there's someone if there's someone watching or listening that that that is thinking to themselves, you know what, what, what, I'm just feeling pain psychologically kind of off and on consistently and I haven't been able to figure out how to break free and and feel a sense of true harmony internally, true peace.

Yes, of course there's challenges that are going to come our way as human beings, you know, as we continue to grow, but as a baseline, peace and harmony, and they just can't figure out how to get there. What type of application or what do people need to be aware of and then take action on in order to start working towards inner peace and harmony? Right. Yes, good question. Um Um Um well a good entry point uh is uh the present moment. That's the the present moment is the I sort of sometimes call it the portal into that state of consciousness that we call presence awareness.

awareness. awareness. Uh now the um the uh the egoic mind as I call it the egoic mind uh is not really interested in the present moment and it usually tries to obscure the present moment. It's interested in some other imagined moment but not the past the future. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It ignores the present moment. But the the f first realization is uh the the the absolute importance of the present moment in your life. It's a foundation for everything and your relationship to the present moment determines determines determines how the future evolves.

what we call future which by the way never arrives as because when it arrives it's again the present moment. present moment. present moment. Yes. Yes. Yes. So the the realization that all you ever have have have or that you can ever experience is intrinsically linked with the present moment. It's inseparable from the present moment. Your entire life unfolds unfolds unfolds in and as the present moment. That all there ever is. The the past when the past happened, it was the present moment. It couldn't happen anywhere else.

And when you remember the past, you remember it in the present moment. Right? the future. When the future comes, when tomorrow comes, it won't be tomorrow anymore. It will be the now. There was a a a British pub in London that had I lived in London for many years. They had a sign on bar that says free beer tomorrow. And of course, tomorrow never comes. So the sign is always true. That's funny. That's funny. That's funny. You go the next day. No, tomorrow. Tomorrow. Wow, that's funny.

Yeah. So, tomorrow actually never comes. Of course, we need to make plans on a practical level. The future is indispensable. We need we need it for us to get together here to talk to day and time for connecting. So on a practical level, we cannot do without future. But on a deeper level, on a deeper psychological level, it's important to realize that the future as such does not actually exist because all you can ever experience or have is the present moment. moment. moment. Yes. Yes. Yes.

So that's the starting point begins with the realization of the absolute primary importance of the present moment. This is all you ever have. So you might as well well well have a good relationship with the present moment because if your relationship with the present moment is dysfunctional, your entire life is dysfunctional. dysfunctional. dysfunctional. Right? So how do we so how do I if someone watching or listening is saying well my present is really challenging right now. right now. right now. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm I'm I've got a lot of debt.

I've you know I feel I've got some sickness in my body and my health is not there. My you know I'm going through a divorce or breakup. the career is not as good as I want it to be. There's some type of pain in the present. Yeah. How can I actually enjoy the present when I'm in breakdown everywhere? everywhere? everywhere? Yeah. Let's let's leave aside for a moment physical pain. That's it's another story. But the the the psychological pain that's there is again associated with certain situations.

It's associated with your life situation which may be problemat problemat problematic on some level whether it's financial or relationship or work situation or living situation. It's very or or health situation. It's very likely that at any given time your life situation will be problemat problematic on at least one of these levels. Right? And sometimes it's not a lot of money. It's two or three or four becomes really problematical. really problematical. really problematical. You you lose your all your money, you you got you lose your job, your wife leaves you, you or you lose your home.

All these things can do sometimes happen. happen. happen. Yes. So you have that uh and again that's then it's that's usually the these life challenges situational challenges are usually perceived as being part of the present moment but they're not really the present moment. They are what is called what I call your life situation. But other than your life situation you have something that I call your life. Life situation exists in time. life is now and never not now. And since your life is now, you have to ask yourself, yes, I have all these problems.

I don't not know how I'm going to pay the rent maybe or my relationship is problem. I have to I'm in the middle of divorce proceedings, all these things that happen to people. Uh or I've just be been let go. My or my company has collapsed or whatever. or might collapse. Maybe it's doing well but it may not do well next year. All kinds of things are perceived as problematic which sometimes are real and sometimes are just imagination that again we need to differentiate between when people said say they're having big problems.

Sometimes they are just in the mind because they think of things that might go wrong and other times they are actually actually actually real challenges happening around you. Right? But here again is all to single out the present moment and not to ignore action that you might take or have to take in order to uh change certain situations. Is is there any action that I can take? That's that's a secondary question. It's important, but it's secondary. secondary. secondary. Primary question I often ask people, what problem do you have at this moment?

And then they usually start by saying, well, uh, I'm running out of money or this I'm living in this unpleasant this place, whatever. and said, "No, no, no. Running out of money is not th this what this just this moment right here and now. What problem do you have here and now in this moment?" And then you you look around. look around. look around. you maybe you become aware of your that you're breathing you're breathing you're breathing and you look around and then you reluctantly sometimes people have to admit well okay I'm ready to admit that at just this moment there isn't actually a problem the next one there might be but the next one is again this of course the at this moment you may have a challenge that you immediately need to deal with If a if if you um if you're going for a walk and you encounter a wild animal coming towards you, you don't say I don't have any problems at this moment.

That's that's a you need to deal with. But we wouldn't call that a problem. I mean, if I sometimes go for walks in the forest and occasionally there are bears here. So if you encounter a bear, that is not a problem. It's a challenge and you deal with it. Either you run away or you don't. Whatever you do, you deal with it. it. it. The problem is lives in the mind. The uh it so the the to get out of that is to give much more attention to the present moment and realize that in the present moment the problem cannot survive.

survive. survive. Say that one more time. In in the present moment present moment present moment the problem any problem you have cannot survive in the present moment because problem is a burden that you carry in your mind your mental emotional field that's what a problem is. The rest is situations and circumstances. Either you leave them alone if there's nothing you can do or you take some action but they they're not a problem. Either you act or you don't act. And if you don't act, you take your attention into the present moment and see that it's actually okay.

And I've had to I've had often get correspondents from people in prison. They're in prison and they we have through my foundation we are sending thousands of thousands of books to to prisons and so and for prisoners to read. I often get communication people realize that in their present self they realize that actually I have no problem. In other words, they come to a complete alignment alignment alignment with the present moment. There's no longer an entity that says this should not be happening because that's where the suffering arises.

Uh and of course prison is a situation where you can't probably can't take much action where you can try to escape but you probably won't succeed. Right. Right. Right. You've got to accept and surrender. Yes. So there's always the action um may need to be taken but if no action is possible then you come to place of surrender. But it's positive surrender not negative surrender. Uh positive surrender is an uncompromising yes to the present moment. An uncompromising uncompromising uncompromising yes to what is there that is a place of great inner power that arises with yes this is what is that's the starting point.

So you're not arguing with the isness of things because that's insane. You cannot argue with what is. And that the the this constant arguing with what is. This actually amplifies the ego. The egoic consciousness. The ego loves to argue with what is. It needs to it loves enemies. It the ego makes the present moment into an enemy. All right? All right? All right? Can you see how insane that is? You'll make the present moment into your enemy because that's all you ever have. That means you make your whole life into an enemy because your whole life is the present moment.

present moment. present moment. Right. Right. Right. So I I sometimes it become make the present moment your friend not your enemy. Make the present moment your friend. Then your whole life begins to change because what we call future is just an extension of your state of consciousness in the present moment. So if your state of consciousness is negative, negative, negative, it is very likely that you will experience much more negativity in the so-called future. so-called future. so-called future. If the present moment if you're if you're in the pre present moment you you're in a place of acceptance of positive acceptance then uh it's very likely that the the pres the so-called future I so I always say so-called future because the future as such doesn't exist it's always when it comes it's a now yes yes yes so the so-called future reflects your state of consciousness in the present moment so that's really a very important realization ation.

So that is how the absolute importance of your state of consciousness here and now. What is your state of consciousness now? Rather than thinking that something else is more important than my state of consciousness. So in any situation you're faced with any situation, what is the state of consciousness with which you face the situation? Is it are you in a state of resistance or negativity towards the situation? Because when in in any endeavor that you undertake inevitably undertake inevitably undertake inevitably obstacles will arise in anything.

You want to create something new. Obstacle but obstacle come in many forms. sometimes in the form of human beings who who don't like you to to do what you're doing or it can come in the form of other structure structures that are in society the rigid structures. So and you get all kinds of bureaucratic obstacles or whatever the obstacles are. So what how do you you face an obstacle? What is your state of consciousness when an obstacle arises? Do you immediately become angry? Do you become or despondent or do you start complaining in your mind people and talking about others how awful this situation is and complaining or are you able to just immediately say this is what is.

So you face the obstacle not in a state of resistance come from a state of power. This is what is. And then when you are in that state of presence, very often a right action arises spontaneously. And you do you find yourself doing the right thing because you're not making this situation into an enemy. And this is very important in any if you want to achieve great things. Um and a huge obstacle for people is to uh start complaining and building up stress when things go wrong.

In other words, things shouldn't be happening. So they become negative. They become unpleasant. They become unpleasant to people, colleagues and pe people they work with. And a lot of negative energy can build up in a company and so on. though. So uh and that is not some of the most effective people in this world. There are perhaps a few uh they don't work with negativity. They they work immediately with a a positive attitude. They they they they don't make the present moment into into an enemy.

They might never have heard any spiritual teaching. So perhaps that is some kind of innate wisdom that they have or maybe they've learned this lesson in a past lifetime who knows. So, so the so the important is always start with the present moment and again the what is what what what problem do I have now in the is there a problem here and now just this moment well actually no not not really not the problem isn't here the problem is in the mind but it's not here that's a place of power and then the then you be you become aligned with the the product the power Now the power of the present moment.

So a which is the power of consciousness itself beyond the ego far far more powerful. The ego is only like it's like the reflected light that like the moon reflects the light of the sun and the the ego reflects the light of consciousness. consciousness. consciousness. It's only it's not power. There's no power in ego itself. In the same way there's no light in the moon. It's just reflective light. reflective light. reflective light. Wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah, that's powerful. This has been fascinating so far. I'm sure we could talk about, you know, consciousness and suffering for hours, but I want to uh get to a few other concepts here.

Um, one of them being about the law of attraction because I you mentioned kind of synchronicities and serendipities and kind of this idea of when we align ourselves ourselves ourselves to consciousness and to more harmony thoughts to more peaceful thoughts in my experience things just come you know the right things that I'm intending it's they happen very quickly and unexpectedly unexpectedly unexpectedly um I would love to hear your thoughts on your definition of the law of attraction, but also maybe the three habits that you see people doing the most that hurt them from attracting effortlessly using the law of attraction.

attraction. attraction. Right? Well, the main uh mistake perhaps that people make is uh not coming from a place of fullness but coming from a place of neediness and uh and putting too much attention on on what is the undesirable condition. So that they want to get rid of but but but mentally almost continuously focusing on the undesirable condition like not enough money for example which is a problem for many people. Uh so so let's use let's use money for the example then the law of attraction with money.

How could we attract more wealth or financial abundance in our life using the law of attraction? Yeah. Well, first of all is the acknowledgment of abundance that is already here and now and not and not focusing on the lack of abundance that is here now, which you could find by thinking about it, but to actually focus on where is the abundance that I can find here now and that is all around you. It is in nature. When you look at the the abundance of nature, the abundant the multiplicity of life forms, the the wonder of nature, uh the abundance of even even or let's say you're in a city uh you can look at uh appreciate all the things that you see uh around you.

You don't need to necessarily own it or buy it, just appreciate it. And so this first the appreciation of the goodness of life that is always all around you. Even if you have no money, there's still the goodness of life is all around you. You see it all around you. The sunshine. I mean the sun is the ultimate symbol of abundance because it gives energy of itself almost eternal. I mean eventually the sun will die but as far as we are concerned it's virtually eternal. It it pours out energy continuously and this uh at some point we will realize that even on the level of energy the universe is infinitely abundant.

So we we we will no longer need need need things that we're using now, fossil fuels and those things. We have access to other forms of energy that are more helpful. But helpful. But helpful. But right, right, right, the abundance the abundance is all around you. Let's say you walk your past in the city. You're walking past a flower shop and you look at wow such beauty appreciation. beauty appreciation. beauty appreciation. Even to seeing a beautiful man or woman or nice or even a beautiful car.

Oh, I love that. Not why don't I have that car? Why does he have that car? It's all egoic egoic egoic m narratives that make you unhappy to appreciate. Nowhere. Nature of course is very powerful and then you to appreciate the aliveness in your body that you're breathing and you can actually feel that the the your body well many people can't feel that I call it the inner body awareness awareness awareness you feel that you're that every cell of your body is pervaded with a sense of aliveness energy and you can feel that that is abundance so there's abundance of life all around you there's a there's you can feel the life within you also and so we could some people call that gratitude I call it more appreciation the appreciation of the abundance of life that is always around you that's a wonderful starting point okay okay okay so you're not focusing on lack you're focusing on abundance and even even when you don't have any if you feel like you don't have anything you can find abundance around you.

Yes. Always acknowledge it. The good things of life acknowledge. But even the seemingly insignificant things like uh when I look out of the window, I sometimes there's trees out here. I right now I can look out this I can see there's a slight breeze and the branches are swaying slightly in the wind. It's beautiful. And there's the tree in all its majesty and stillness. It's been there for 100 years. And that's wonderful. I don't need to own that tree. I mean, owning in that sense is ultimately a bit meaningless anyway.

Yes, I own this house where I am right now, but at some point I'll I'll be gone. And so what does it mean? The house with somebody else will own the house. house. house. Only is a secondary. I'm not saying to let go of ownership. sometimes gives can give stability to your life on the practical level. But there's something more important. So this appreciation or if you want to call it gratitude. Some people recommend um I think Oprah said that she has had for many many years a notebook or journal where she ps writes down every day things that she's grateful for.

grateful for. grateful for. And um these are and these are usually seemingly insignificant things, but it's important not to overlook that. And I don't think she's writing down uh I'm grateful that I have a private jet or I'm grateful that I have a $2.5 billion in the bank. That's right. right. right. She she writes down the the small things that that that I'm grateful for my garden. I'm grateful I get to plant a flower today. I'm grateful that I get to go on a walk with my friends.

I'm grateful that I woke up today. today. today. Yes. Yes. The next thing is uh the second thing could say is uh giving to give of to give energy to other people. Uh appreciation itself is already a form of certain outflow of energy. When you appreciate this tree beauty, there's an energy connection with a tree. There's a the consciousness connects you with a tree. Uh and kindness is part of giving kindness to another person. Not to because you want anything from that person, but but because it feels so good to have this sense of we could call it goodwill that flows out of you towards another person.

Even if you just hold the door open for somebody or it's a remark or literal what's the lovely I love your dress or whatever you say if it's genuine uh or uh to say an encouraging word to somebody um or to whatever it may be a smile to or smile at somebody it's even that is a form of giving this this connection with another Kindness is a very powerful thing. So you are giving you're not ex you're not and the more you give then in it it's in the law of attraction or nature is as you give it must come back to you in another form.

Um but it doesn't work if you give out of an obligation that you feel you should be giving or it needs to be a genuine sense of wanting to give and feeling how how good it feels to give not because mentally you you you you feel you always need to you always need to help people because otherwise uh you you do you don't think of yourself as a good person or something that's all mind stuff but to experience how how how good it feels to be to give.

So we we have on the one hand appreciation, gratitude and appreciation. I kind of say that giving every day of uh in whatever form. Uh and the next thing is that obviously that obviously that obviously Jesus already in in one sentence one could say uh told us the the essence of uh manifesting and how it works. And he said uh whenever you uh pray for something that you want uh believe that you already have it and it will be given to you. Yes, Yes, Yes, there's the key.

Now the important thing is he did not say believe that you will have it. have it. have it. He said believe that you already have it. Now, this may not be immediately clear to people. Well, how do I do that? Uh, how do I believe that I already have it when I know that I don't have it? Right. Right. Right. How do you get that belief of having it before knowing, feeling, tasting, smelling the thing that you want? Yes. So you feel uh the thing it is already a mental reality in your mind.

How do you feel now that you have it in your mind? How do you how does how does it feel? And this feeling is really where the power of manifestation lies. But what is that feeling? Because that feeling of having it already and feeling this deep sense of satisfaction is really uh connecting with a the deeper power within yourself. It is the power where all all sense of aliveness originates there. It's the deeper sense of aliveness that comes from consciousness itself. So you now you might believe it might differ from person to person.

One person might think, okay, what I want is a a big house with a or on overlooking the ocean or whatever. And then you you feel yourself you you're already there uh experiencing that. Another person might think, well, what I want is uh to have a this great a company that does good things in this world and it's and and I'm at the end. How does that feel? But you might find that the feeling is actually basically always the same whether your mind says but the house overlooking the ocean.

You know why? Or the other person says well this is the company that I'm the head of that doing great things in this world. The feeling The feeling The feeling is basically the same feeling and and the feeling is a feeling of fullness of life. life. life. Yes. So completeness that is power. So when you feel this feeling of fullness and then you associate it with a mental image that that is the power of manifestation there but the feeling itself is beyond the mental image and is beyond whatever for you are able to manifest in this world because that is the feeling of the inherent sense of aliveness that comes when you go deeper into yourself and experience the the presence that you are in this to to know yourself as the presence is inherently joyful and powerful to know yourself as so and that is you manifest from a place of fullness not from a place of lack the fullness is already there and that also means if for some reason it doesn't manifest because not everybody's desires manifest uh I mean I One of it still happening.

LA for example, uh if you go to any any good restaurant in LA, it's more than likely that the waiter or waitress will be actors waiting for for their big breakthrough. And it's just not possible for so many people to have the big breakthrough in LA as actors. Some may do, a few may do, but most probably won't. But they have made they probably have other breakthroughs that perhaps are much more important than what their ego tells them is important. is important. is important. And to add to that, I love this what you're sharing here because I want people to really feel this and understand this and embrace it because when we try to manifest from lack, it's going to be this needy energy, which was your first point that kind of kills the the dream of the law of attraction.

And when we manifest from a place of fullness like you spoke of like feeling feeling feeling a feeling of fullness, wholeness, excitement, abundance, joy inside of us. And if it doesn't happen, if that dream doesn't come to us in the next year or five or 10 years, then we've lived a full rich life every moment till that moment. like we've we've lived a full year of feeling excited and passionate and good about ourselves. And that energy is magnetic. You will draw in great people, partners, relationships, relationships, relationships, opportunities that maybe you couldn't even dreamed of because the energy you you gave into the world like you talked about.

And I think that's the the big point for me is the dream and the idea you have maybe your ego wants maybe you won't have it but man you'll live a great beautiful rich life in the process of pursuing it. Very good point. So in other words the journey is what matters. The the ar the arriving at some destination is the end point but it's secondary. The journey is always the journey. It's always now that's what matters. And so sometimes what you wanted to manifest uh doesn't happen but something else manifests that could be even better.

In fact in many is much better than what it is. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh Uh Uh yeah I was I always wanted to be a professional athlete and I played professional football for about a year and a half before I got injured. In the injury, I broke my wrist and I was wearing a cast and I had a surgery and I had a cast on for six months and it took about a year and a half for me to use my my wrists again from the injury.

And during that time, I was in a state of extreme sadness and a loss and a grief of this identity that I once had and this dream that I once had that I was working so hard for my whole life to manifest to create. And then all of a sudden, this injury broke the the my abilities to do that. And I remember thinking, what am I going to do with my life? Like, what's the point? 23, 24 years old. I'm like, what am I supposed to do now?

And it led me into this journey that I'm on now of doing this interview series and podcast for the last 10 years that I much rather have this life than the life of a professional athlete now. Like and sometimes like you said going back to the beginning of this if we can accept and surrender in the positive way to see what good can come. It may be challenging in the moment but it's been a blessing a blessing a blessing since then. since then. since then. Yes, that's a lovely story.

That's that's how it actually works. And another uh thing to mention is let's say you do a do let's say you do manifest what it is you wanted to manifest. Um uh when you come from this place of fullness, fullness, fullness, you do not have yes you have an appreciation of what you have achieved but you don't have an excessive attachment to what you have achieved. Uh so it let's say you are you are able to manifest that you have a a a house overlooking the ocean and you manifest it and there you have it and one day uh you get you when you get home you find your house is fallen into the ocean.

It's gone. It's gone. It's gone. Right. Right. Right. So the the old thing that you worked so hard for to achieve is suddenly gone. But this place of formess that that enabled you to to to manifest that is still there. It's beyond outer forms. outer forms. outer forms. Yeah. And you feel full in life. Maybe there's a moment of sadness during that. But if you're not attached to the physical things you've manifested, um I'm sure if I lost my home, I feel like it's a sanctuary.

It's a it's a it's a beautiful peaceful space. But I've lived in two-bedroom apartments for most of my life. And I felt like those were peaceful places for me. And it's not like I'm sure I'd be sad for a minute, but then I could also create the sense of fullness in the next space. Exactly. And I have this latency um I um for a long time until until my 32nd year. I my main form of transportation was except other than public transport was a bicycle. That's beautiful.

That's beautiful. That's beautiful. So I got my driver's license when I was 30 and my first car when I was 32 and that was a very old What city were you in? What what country? country? country? London. London and Cambridge I lived uh at that time. Uh and the I loved my bicycle. I just when I I appreciated it. I loved I was I just looked at it was standing there and I had a and then somebody gave me I was poor at the time. Somebody gave me an older car and I loved that and and then I was able to got a little bit of money.

I was able to buy the cheapest car I could find. It was called Lada. It's a Russian lake. Uh they still make them, but they're a bit better now than they used to be. And people would laugh at these cars because they were notorious for breaking down, but it was very, very cheap. And I bought this and it never broke down. I loved that car. It never broke down. It I must admit, very embarrassing on hills because you couldn't you were holding everybody up. You had to get out and push it.

Yeah. Yeah, I I loved that car and um the and then I I eventually left England and I sold it. A friend of mine was interested. I sold it to him and two or three weeks after he bought it, it broke down and and couldn't get repaired anymore. It was incredible. It's almost because I I have this kind of relationship even with so-called inanimate objects. they I think that even there there is a there's a glimmer of consciousness in everything really really really that's how I sense things there's a glimmer of consciousness so uh and when you have an intention and an appreciation for the thing that you're with the bike the the cheap car it tends to take care of you when you take care of it with your energy right very I had a similar experience when I moved to LA uh I don't know 11 12 years ago ago ago I didn't have a car in my 20s.

I had a I had like a $500 car that broke down after 6 months. And so I walked everywhere in Columbus, Ohio for about a year. And then I moved to New York City. I didn't need a car. And then I moved to LA and I bought a $4,000 car. It was like a 1997 uh year old uh car. And it's probably one of the oldest cars on the road. I drove it every day. It was a $4,000 car. And for for being in LA, you know, this world that's that's kind of like looked down upon.

It's like, oh, you don't have this nice new car. I drove it for five or six years. I loved it. It was like it got me from place to place. It was comfortable. It was reliable. And I was happy with it. So, yeah. yeah. yeah. It took care of me and uh I took care of it. it. it. Yes. And that's uh that's I I feel the same. And then later then finally I had the money. I bought a an expensive car which I still have.

I bought it 16 years ago. It's now kind of classic and and I I love that as much as I loved the bicycle bicycle bicycle years ago. years ago. years ago. Uh Uh Uh yeah, that's cool. So it's the same and and it's not it's many people of course have an egoic identification with their car, but what we're talking about is very different. It's not that it's not an egoic. If I had had an ego egoic identification with my cheap Russian car, my ego would have felt diminished because often people laughed that it's all look this car.

But it I didn't mind. It was fine. I didn't have egoic identification and I don't have an egoic identification with the this more expensive classic car that I have now that's 16 years old. But I still I love it. Uh I have a kind of relationship with it. If something happened to it that I would let go, it's fine. fine. fine. Right. Right. Right. Everything eventually leaves you and and unless you leave it, it leaves you. Yeah. It's interesting. That's beautiful. Was there anything else that you think hurts people from the law of attraction and manifesting what they want?

We talked about the neediness and coming from a place of lack. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We talked maybe one other thing. Um the uh uh uh sometimes the whatever people want to manifest comes from an egoic place. The ego wants to by achieving this or that the ego wants wants to feel more powerful powerful powerful uh than before. It wants to have an enhanced sense of identity through it by showing to other people that you have more than others. It wants to show its superiority. The ego always looks for superiority.

superiority. superiority. And so that that could be uh uh you may still get what you you may still get what you want. want. want. But your your power will be greatly diminished if it's an egoic endeavor. But even with an engulator sometimes even that it could still work with hard work and determine you might get it but it won't make you happy. You when you get it you but very quickly you will will feel needy again. Uh interesting. Why why is that? Why do you think why do and I'm sure you know a lot of very famous rich billionaires and people with lots of money who are still suffering and aren't happy inside once they got the thing they wanted.

Why is it that people suffer and struggle when they have lots of money and have the big homes? Why this is still not enough? Yes. Well, to the ego is never enough. to the ego nothing because the e ego is a sense of lack sense of not good enough not not not enough yet so it's never enough for the for the ego and if you have everything that the world tell tells you you really should be happy now because you've got and I've met people like that they've got money huge amounts of money they've got fame and recognition and the private jet and they've got can do do anything go anywhere at any moment and that can be particularly uh um bad counterproductive because you cannot fool yourself the ego cannot fool itself by saying when I get this I'll be happy because then you can you can still postpone ego and say once I achieve that I'll be happy but the person who already has everything.

He or she cannot say that anymore because so you have no way there there's no excuse anymore and because you have everything and you're not happy. So then and the this is what very often people then start taking drugs or engage in other kinds of seeking sensory satisfaction through substances or going from one relationship into another having sex or whatever they do because they can buy anything they want and they get more and more unhappy because they do all the ego was there and the e ego will never be satisfied satisfied satisfied no matter what you achieve.

Uh the in the course in miracles it says I don't know if you've seen that it says you will you will always know when the the whether the ego was at work when once you achieved it it hasn't satisfied you. That was ego. So there's another there's another saying that goes there are two ways of being unhappy. One is not getting what you want and the other one is getting what you want. Wow. Wow. Wow. That refers to the ego. So you you can some people are happy because they don't get what they want and the others unhappy because they get everything they want but it's still ego.

What do you think it how do how does someone be happy while they're on the path of trying to manifest you know more in their life more a better relationship or better qualities that they have in their current relationship more career success money things like this. How can they be happy? No matter what happens, it comes to you or it doesn't. Happiness starts with a alignment with the present moment. It can only arise if you're aligned with the present moment. Uh I sometimes call that the the vertical dimension of life which is now.

And then there's a horizontal dimension of life is where is past and future. And you have a goal you're working towards. That's fine. You have the horizontal dimension dimension dimension uh and the vertical dimension is the present moment. The horizontal dimension is the dimension of becoming. You become good at something or you acquire something, you become something. There's an evolutionary process at work and that obviously has its place. It it's there. Uh but if you're too if you're exclusively focused on becoming and achieving and attaining and acquiring you're always you're trapped on the horizontal and you can never really enjoy the present moment.

Uh because the present moment is the vertical dimensions here now inseparable from the now. The cross, the symbol of the cross one could interpret as which is an ancient e predates Christianity. The symbol of a cross can be interpreted as the inter pointing to the intersection between the horizontal and vertical dimension of life. That is uh the the the so the importance then is to to discover the dimension the vertical dimension which is the power of the of the now the present moment and then the horizontal dimension works actually works better uh and you're not dependent on it for your ultimate satisfaction.

You're not dependent on any kind of achievement, attainment or whatever it is that on the horizontal dimension for your it it may give you some kind of satisfaction but but not the deepest satisfaction. The deepest satisfaction is inseparable from going more deeply into the present moment and discover the essence of who or what you are as consciousness itself. Presence here and now. And you you you could you you in other words you could say you sense the beingness of you. You sense that you are and and you there is an enormous power there that has no form.

You can't interpret it. It's it's it's it's a it's the power of aliveness itself here and now. It it goes far beyond who or what you are as a person. The person exists on the horizontal dimension. But there is a deeper dimension to who you are that is only discovered in the vertical dimension. In the vertical dimension, you are already complete. complete. complete. Ah Ah Ah there is there's nothing to achieve there. You there you're already full and complete on the horizontal. That's so hard for people to that's so hard for people to comprehend where they don't feel complete.

On the horizontal you're not complete and you'll never be complete. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. Because no matter what you achieve, if you become good at one thing, you lose something big. There's always a world of polarities on the horizontal dimension. Um that even I find that still the you you achieve you achieve great things. Um before I used I've been teaching spiritual awakening for many many many years. uh in the past I had intimate groups of 10 20 people now I there's hundreds or thousands of people often come I don't have the close relationship with individuals anymore it's just can't I'm reaching many more people people people but I've lost this closer connection with the people that I'm teaching there's always a price to pay on the other hand I'm reaching far more people than for but there's always a price to pay evil privacy.

I'm not a great celebrity but I do wherever I go people say oh I can't and the moment it happens it's wonderful I love the connection that I feel but I do lose privacy because sometimes people watch what's he eating what's he doing why is he drinking coffee whatever I thought he was spiritful yeah yeah yeah yeah you lose something there the horizontal there's always gain and loss the world of polarities and the And the becoming the becoming dimension. You become uh again has a positive and a negative side.

On the one hand you can become stronger as you grow up. You become you can become more knowledgeable. You become wealthier. But eventually the becoming becomes pos negative because then your body becomes weaker because you get old and then maybe you lose something and then you become the becoming this the polarities operate on the horizontal dimension but it has it's without the access to the vertical dimension. dimension. dimension. Thus it can satisfy you truly purely on the horizontal dimension. So the vertical dimension is present moment to to realize that that the power of the present moment that is insep from who or what you are in your essence.

The power of you and that is that is not an egoic thing because this you far transcends who or what you are as a person. It connects you with the identity of the universe itself. The this is in the it's the I am without adding anything to it. I am in the Old Testament Testament Testament prophet asks meets God and asks God what is your name? And God says I am the I am. am. am. That is a very deep statement. That is the beingness itself.

Beingness itself. And you can feel that you can sense that here and now when your for a moment your mind subsides mind subsides mind subsides you're not thinking anymore without making an effort you're not thinking anymore and who are you without any thought thought thought you can you can't explain what it is but you can sense that there is a light of consciousness there is a presence right right right in an inherent sense of aliveness sometimes Most people can feel it with their in with their entire body that the entire body is pervaded by a sense of aliveness.

aliveness. aliveness. You are all you um that's the ancient Greeks already said know thyself as the most important thing in life. Know thyself and that refers to the deepest knowing knowing yourself as consciousness. And then the person still operates for a while and it operates actually much better when you're connected to to to that which transcends the person the person the person right right right where in other if you want if you for those people who are comfortable with theistic language you could say that is that connects you to God that is a deeper connection to to the source of all life you're connected to that I see the consciousness that that you share with every human being.

Uh when you look at another human being, you interact with another human being. On the one level, you have the personality, personality, personality, horizontal dimension, the conditioning, mental, emotional or conditioning. You're interacting with that person. But you you're also interacting with consciousness. consciousness. consciousness. Yes. Yes. Yes. Which is beyond the person. And when you can sense the consciousness that you are is also the consciousness that the other person is, you can sense the oneness of that consciousness. And that sensing of oneness is ultimately what zebra meaning of love.

of love. of love. Love is to recognize the other as ultimately one with who are what you are. one the the recognition I uh I would say love is the recognition of oneness with the it's not the egoic love that says I need you don't you dare leave me because if you do I'll hate you that's not that that's the egoic so-called love but the real love is to recognize yourself in the other but in order to do that you need to first recognize yourself in yourself beyond the person so and and that that connects you with other humans in a very different way.

This sense of connectedness that you then have. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's a one the word for it what could you been there's a a good will flows out from you towards others even others that you might only meet casually for a few seconds. You can you can sense your a good an outflow of goodwill and connectedness and feel so good to recognize there's a there is a human being there or my interpretation of human being is the English language doesn't have a word that that that refers to both men and women.

So you have to say human being. Uh in German you have a word mench which could is a human being could be either man or woman but in English you have to say human being and I love that because the human dimension is the person that lives on the horizontal dimension. The being is the essence of who you are. And it's our destiny to recognize our being which is far beyond the person. And then you become this is the human and this is the being and then you are a true human being when you realize the being of your yourself because then you wow wow wow you fence it in others too and then you can love others.

That's the beauty of it. You mentioned love just now. I'm curious about you. When do you feel the most loved when you're going about your day? When do you feel the most loved personally? personally? personally? Um Um Um I don't make differentiate between loving and being loved. It's all it's all one. So um I I feel that the the connection is there. The moment I interact with somebody, there is that connectedness and sometimes people respond, something within them responds back and then you get the same energy back.

They may not know why. uh for let's say you're in a let's say you're in a restaurant and you I'm in a restaurant and I'm ordering the waiter waitress comes and so you have on the one hand on the human level you are the the guest or the client the in the restaurant and this person is the server that's on the human level you have your identity uh but is that all there is no there is the server is this is only a temporary function that's not the real identity of of this human being and I'm not well my identity is not to be a client or guest of this restaurant it's a temporary thing so am I able to recognize the being in this human the human is the server but behind that there's a being and when I look at this person and I'm there's there's there's really let's see if I can describe it how I experience it.

There's this while I the person talks to me there there's a still presence I listen through this the still the still presence and in that still presence I can sense can sense can sense beyond the human the beingness of the other also I can sense their beingness and that is a connection and then it sometimes happens that they can feel something that they feel acknowledged in their beingness they they may not be able to interpret that and or they may miss miss miss without you saying anything without you saying anything saying anything saying anything knows nothing to say.

Uh um and so usually it means that they often it means that they they like you. They they feel uh attracted to you. They love you as a person and there uh they like to be in your presence. They there's a positive response and that is one could say that is love coming back at you. So it you send it out and you don't always get it back. Sometimes the person may be so deeply trapped in their ego that that nothing much gets through and that's and that's fine.

That's where they at at the moment. But it still feels good to to feel this emanation. But very often when the emanation is reflected and then comes back and then you feel loved too the of course usually the other person doesn't understand it at deeper level doesn't understand that what they love in you is not the person it's something deeper and that connects both of you. Um so so so I I feel it's always an uh the process is m is always mutual. I feel even when you you love a flower even the flower there's a certain this might sound a little mystical but uh there's a there's a certain response that you get of the way I should put it sometimes when I recognize and appreciate the beauty of a tree or a flower flower flower uh I this is similar because even the the flower of the tree is a manifestation of consciousness at a different vibration ational frequency from a human.

So everything is a vibration of consciousness that has taken temporary form. So the the flower the tree are also a manifestation of consciousness. And when I recognize and appreciate the the beauty of the flower or the tree uh we there there is a sense of oneness and and at that moment the tree can sense that it is being recognized and it becomes aware of its own beauty through you. you. you. So you redeem nature. You give you add something to nature by recognizing the sacredness and beauty of nature.

You add something to nature. Wow. Wow. Wow. And then we can say nature loves you back too. You can sense that. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Yeah. So I sometimes recommend people should go go to a tree and and allow the tree to teach you stillness because the tree is there. It's deeply rooted in the earth and there it branches and it's very still. It might have been there for 100 years, 200 years. It's very it's still you approach it and nature can teach you anything in nature can teach you that the stillness connect you with the dimension that's beyond egoic consciousness.

consciousness. consciousness. Wow. This is beautiful. Is is there anything that you struggle with these days personally? Is there you know you've done this work and practiced it and taught it for so long. Is there anything you struggle or suffer with in your own life that is still a challenge? Oh, there's yeah, there are challenges. Um, Um, Um, I'm not good at dealing with practical things so much anymore of life. Uh, um, financial things and so on can feel as a bit of a burden sometimes. Yeah.

Yeah. Um the the humans are but otherwise there's no suffering. I don't I don't have periods of suffering at all. That's gone. Uh the humans have um uh uh uh just being and doing is another way of putting it. putting it. putting it. Being dimension is the vertical. The doing dimension is the horizontal. Uh the two are important. Some humans are more drawn towards doing, creating, manifesting. Yes. Others are more drawn towards being appreciating appreciating appreciating what is and may not have many many many goals to achieve.

They might be happy doing their gardening or whatever their field. And it's every human has to find a kind of balance between being and doing. Nobody probably is completely in the middle or it's very hard to be completely in the middle. You're totally balanced between being and doing. Um I'm more always more inclined to I'm in the being dimension. being dimension. being dimension. And for a few years when I was younger I experienced a kind of awakening. I was kind of so much in the being dimension that I lost interest in any kind of doing for a few years.

Really? It was so the present moment was so joyful and beautiful and I had no money nothing for while I had no home but it was lovely big sitting on park benches present moment was so fulfilling and then gradually I was able to start doing again and now I am still I love just be just to be to contemplate nature or even to just to sit in a room and just be uh but all but I I'm able to do because I well I wrote the books I do teachings I travel so I give talks and retreats so I'm I am doing I I'm able to function on that level but the irony is irony is irony is that all the all my doing is in the service of teaching being that's Great.

So, you'll do for a week and then you're like, I'm going to go beef for a month. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. Echard, I want to be respectful of your time. Uh, I have two final questions, uh, kind of quicker questions for you, but before, uh, I ask those, I want people to get your books again. The power of now is one that I read many years ago that I highly recommend uh, to everyone. And also, uh, this book as well, which is it's become, you know, more popular in the last few years.

is I feel like it's got this resurgence even though I think it's 15 years 15 years ago you wrote it. I think in fact Oprah said Oprah said uh if you only read one book in your life read read a new earth awakening to your life's purpose. So make sure you guys get both copies start on whichever one you want. Uh but both of them are amazing. Also if people want to connect with you they can go to your website. Uh we'll have everything linked up as well in here.

and you're starting to get more content on social media. So, make sure to follow Egard over on YouTube and all the different platforms that you're on. And I really want to acknowledge you before I ask these final two questions at Guard for your level of service. Again, you could be 24/7 and sit in the woods and in the room and and and be a happy human being just being you've already done so much for humanity with your work, your message, workshops, and everything you've done. Um, so I acknowledge you for continuing to be of service, continuing to serve when you choose to, when you show up, when you deliver, when you're coming on here and doing this.

I know this is going to reach millions of people over time and impact them profoundly. So, I'm very appreciative and grateful to you for being a messenger of love, of generosity, of kindness, and teaching those who are struggling and suffering how to get back into alignment of who they truly are so they can be peaceful and in harmony in the now. So, I really want to acknowledge you and appreciate you for taking the time. Uh, these two final questions. First one is, is a hypothetical scenario a question?

I call this the three truths. So, I'd like for you to imagine, even though you never imagine the future that much because you're always in the now, but I'd like for you to go there for a moment and imagine you get to live as long as you want to in this realm, but for whatever reason, it's the last day. And for whatever reason, in this hypothetical question, all your message is gone. it's got to go with you to the next place or it's just not in this world anymore.

So your books, this interview, any workshop you've done online, it's we don't have access to it. But you get to leave behind three lessons to the world, three truths that you know are true for you. And this is all we would have to be reminded of your messages. What would be those three truths for you? Well, um ultimately the the truth uh uh the ultimate truth is is one and you can that out of the one you can extrapolate and several other truths may arise out of one.

The ultimate truth is uh realize who or what you are. Realize that you are in essence not a person. You are consciousness. You are manifestation of universal consciousness. You are the universe experiencing itself as a human. You are the consciousness of the universe experiencing itself briefly. But you are far beyond to realize who or what you are beyond the person. So that's the ultimate truth. Then realize that you you are not the ego that is discovering who are what you are not. And uh realize the possibility of living without uh suffering the suffering that's created by the yoga mind.

the uh the possibility of being free of suffering, free of unhappiness and uh and uh and uh the way towards that is radical acceptance of the isness of the present moment. Learn radical acceptance of the isness of now that will take you to to a deep place of realization of who or what you are. And you're not the ego. The realizing who you are not not is important part part of the kind of negative realization. Who you are not. Once you realize who or what you are ultimately not then who or what you are emerges naturally.

That's beautiful. Uh final question for you Akard. What is your definition of greatness? Well um of course as you know one can give many many definitions according to one's level of consciousness but at the deepest level greatness is again when you go to the deepest level the answer is always the same by the way greatness is to uh to live consciously to embody consciousness in this lifetime to embody the unconditioned consciousness in this lifetime. That is greatness. And then other things arise out of that. You affect the world in many different ways by living as consciousness and consciously rather than as an egoic entity.

Uh so then you you begin to change the world even if you don't say I am going to change the world. It happens organically and naturally. So the and the way in which you experience the world is always a reflection of your state of consciousness. consciousness. consciousness. So you begin to experience a different world when you are aligned with the I what I call the unconditioned consciousness that is who or what you are in your essence. That is the uh greatness is uh to have fulfilled your purpose your purpose your purpose in this incarnation on this earth and that is to be part of the evolving consciousness of the universe.

That is greatness to have fulfilled your purpose. And the all the outer conditions are secondary. And you could theoretically you could have fulfilled your purpose even in the prison cell. But you come to this realization. realization. realization. Four things you want to change. How you act. How do you how do you act? Do you complain? Do you blame? You make excuses. You feel sorry for yourself. That's a victim consciousness. What emotions do you live by? Is it possible that you're so used to living by guilt you don't even know it's guilt?

It just feels like you. Do you do you allow your energy to drop? Become conscious of those states of