Druski: They're Lying To You About Overnight Success!

Key Takeaway

Set aside 30 phone-free minutes today to identify the work you would pursue even without external validation. Write one ambitious outcome, then list the next three “stairs” you can take this week—small, visible actions such as publishing a draft, contacting a collaborator, or practicing your craft. Druski’s story argues that breakthroughs are built through repeated output, self-belief, and continuing when results are still invisible.

Episode Overview

Druski traces his path from a turbulent childhood and an isolated period at college to becoming a comedian, creator, and actor. He explains how comedy became both a coping mechanism and a calling, why he doubled down on self-funded work after rejection, and how years of consistent output preceded the opportunities that looked like “overnight success.”

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So I felt victim to doing illegal stuff. But it was the moment that we got armed robbed, where I have a gun to my head now. And once I saw a barrel of that gun being pointed at me, that was the moment I noticed, okay, if I survive this, I'm going to become a comedian or die trying. My comedy comes from that place of healing, wanting to make our situation better at home. It's like one time I watched my brother get beat for wetting the bed.

It was a lot. So I would always try to step in to try to be like a coping mechanism for him. Maybe it's my mom. So I knew I was funny. I knew I was very entertaining, but it didn't hit me until like college. And I started to figure out, okay, wow, all the people I look up to are all like comedic legends. And I feel more connected to them than anything I've ever felt in my life. That is my purpose. So I left college. I went home.

I wrote all these goals down on a sheet of paper. Now I'm locked in. I have no other option. I'm sitting here in a room, no mattress. My car got repossessed. I actually made that like a content piece, but I feared nothing because I'm like, I have nothing left. But I knew I'm like, I'm going to keep going. I'm going to continue to keep pursuing, making videos, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then the thing that changed my life was Drake calling for the Laugh Now, Cry Later major video.

Everything shifted after that. Trisky, I had this crazy story that they accidentally sent you Jim Carrey's money. No, they sent an email showing how much he would be getting paid for that hour. People are saying it was in the region of **** insane. I hope he didn't see mine because that would have been a little bit embarrassing. And then in March, you did the skit and it did hundreds of millions of views. And then it sounded like Trump did ask **** to sue you. I don't know if that's true.

I'm not looking to get sued by nobody. I'm not looking for it. Who is he talking about? Guys, I've got a favor to ask before this episode begins. The algorithm, if you follow a show, will deliver you the best episodes from that show very prominently in your feed. So when we have our best episodes on the show, the most shared episodes, the most rated episodes, I would love you to know. And the simple way for you to know that is to hit that follow button. But also, it's the simple, easy, free thing that you can do to help us make the show better.

I would be hugely grateful if you could take a minute on the app you're listening to this on right now and hit that follow button. Thank you so, so, so much. Trisky, I really believe that to understand somebody, somebody who is an anomaly, and you very much are an anomaly, you first have to sort of understand their earliest context. And I went through all of these old photos of you as a young boy to try and build some of that context in my own head. Sure.

What is it that most people might not know about that earliest context that's most informative to sort of who you are today? What remains? I still literally feel like this little boy in all these pictures. I see these moments and it reminds me of how free I was able to be as a kid. And I wanted to be so much. And my mom and my grandparents, they always supported me being just open and free and having this, what is that right there? That was your dad and your brother?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad and my brother right here, for sure. Even looking at these pictures, I had no idea around this time who I was gonna become. This is dope. How did you get these pictures, by the way? Where did you find all this? Did my mom send you these? Yeah. I was looking through some of the videos that your parents recorded of you at that time. Oh, yeah. And you've got, like. Hello? It's hard. Now, do you have any more questions about me?

About your teacher and how you're doing at school. Great. Bill, I wish you'd focus some more on me. That's me in character right there. That's literally in character. So she would put on these camcorders to let me be free. So that was like my outlet to be able to do these characters and be myself, you know? Yeah, yeah, I have multiple feels. I know you've probably got more. There's one of me in a diaper, like wrapping. That's another crazy one. I was in church, this was last week.

That's my cousin, Bree. Oh my God, man. Where did you come up with this boss? Nah, it's just. That's the beginning of Coulda Been Records, right? Yeah. Nah, those are the moments, you know, we used to put on these performances for my family and I'm just grateful that we were able to be ourselves and I was able to be supported somewhere because you do get confused in these settings, sort of say, you know. You look like you have something to say to that. You know, I've interviewed a lot of comedians and one of the things that I tend to find is that comedy is some sort of like tool.

And when I spoke to Jimmy Carr or some of these other comedians that I've interviewed, they're always able to sort of understand in that early context how they were using that tool to often solve a problem that they had in that context. So I remember Jimmy saying to me, he goes, you often think of comedians as being depressed, but actually for him, it was a case of comedy was a way to help his mom who was depressed. It was like how he saw her smile. Yes.

Was comedy for you at that age a tool? Very much so, very much so. And I speak about my dad because he was one of those tough guys to deal with around that time. He wanted us to figure it out early. And like my dad was like the lead person of pushing that narrative. My mom somewhat would do it, but she would always try to tell him, relax. It's, you know, he's still a kid. Like he's, I'm at the time, I'm like eight, nine years old.

And my dad was like, what do you want to do? Figure it out. You're either going to go to jail, you find a craft or you're going to end up in a warehouse or something. Do you got to figure out whatever you're going to do or you go to the military, get your ass blown off. And that was the only two options. He said, get your ass blown off. Yes. So imagine me at like eight, nine years old. Those are my three options, the school, find a trade, or you go to the military, get your ass blown off.

Cause we're going back to war. He was always talking about, we're going back to war. We're going back to war. And I'm like, what the fuck? Are we going to war? Like, so, so early on he pushed he pushed that he wanted me to figure it out and he had great lessons, but his teaching skills was, was very tough and physical. You know, he's old school. I'm sure you heard it before. He's very old school about his teachings and how he goes about doing it. So he has a short temper immediately.

He asked, he used to ask these rhetorical questions all the time of like, he'll be like, go get me a Phillips screwdriver and I'll go get a regular screwdriver. He's like, this is not a Phillips screwdriver. Upside the head. Then my brother goes, he's like, I want you to go get me a Phillips screwdriver. My brother goes and get a hammer, the dumbest shit, right? And he would come back and bam, upside the head. So that was like the immediate of teaching. It's not the best way of teaching.

And from an early age, I learned that speaking to other people's fathers and parents, I learned that this is not a normal thing. And I didn't know that until we would go to like neighborhood parties and stuff. And maybe my dad would be like, oh, these are my boys right here. I'll reach out his hand and we'll flinch like that because it became a normal thing for him to always lift up his hand. Like if we said the wrong thing. So I wouldn't say that my comedy necessarily came from that, but it definitely came from like a healing, wanting to make our situation better at home.

It's not like we don't come from like a broke home. I ain't gonna say we weren't a broken, we were a broken home, we weren't a broke home. My dad was a airline pilot for United Airlines for entirely my whole younger life. My mom worked for the CDC, very two good jobs. My mom was always home, my dad would travel in and out. But I think what I wanted to do in my personality as a kid was always to make the family smile, no matter through all this stuff that we're going through and these teachings being too far sometimes, or maybe this ass whooping was too much.

The ass whooping went too far because I'm not gonna get into details on it, but yeah, some ass whoopings in the house that went too far. But yeah, I feel like my comedy comes from that place of I never tend to punch down. I like to find the funny, but also the good side of funny and not look at the negative for my type of comedy. I can find a negative situation and bring the funny out of it for both sides, me and the other person.

So I guess as a child, very perceptive children, you're on edge a little bit then. For sure. And it's funny, because I remember sitting with Gabor Mate and him telling me how kids that have an early context where they have to be a little bit more aware, they often become very good at observation. And they become good therapists. They become the most empathetic. They also sometimes have struggles with mental health because being hypervigilant or being aware comes at a cost. It's not free. For all the upsides, there's always a downside.

Does any of that resonate? 1,000%, man. And I think sadly, in my brother's case, that went a negative direction. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia and bipolar disorder as we continued to go through puberty and got older. Whereas for me, I feel like I might've found a coping mechanism with comedy. And maybe he never found that coping mechanism from that trauma. And I feel like trauma can sometimes give you the good route or the negative route. And I feel like a lot of that going on in our house early on may have played a role in him being diagnosed with that.

And yeah, that's the sad side of the story. But yeah, even with him, I think early on, I would always try to make him laugh because I knew we were in a fucked up situation. One time I watched my brother get beat for wetting the bed and it was the simplest thing and I couldn't understand. I was like, why is he getting beat this bad? It was very far, very, not the normal belt type thing. It was very, very far. So I would always try to step in either after or during these moments to try to be like a coping mechanism for him, or like maybe it's my mom and he's arguing with her and they're getting physical as well.

So I would always try to be, oh, the funny guy maybe at the dinner after, or maybe after the next day goes by and I'm trying to lift everybody's vibe up. So you watched your mother get hit as well. For sure, for sure, for sure. Not physically hit, but I've seen different things of like the choking and pushing her out the door and then locking the door. And then I gotta go and be the one staring at her at the door and she's like, open it.

And he's like, you better not open that door. And I'm in between a rock and a hard place trying to figure out, do I open this door for my mom or is he gonna come? So it was a lot of different situations of trying to figure it out at a very young age. And it started so young that some things are kind of blurred for me, but I do know that my comedy comes from that comforting type of space. I can read a room and sense any type of danger.

I can read a room and sense any type of happiness, sadness, anything, in any situation. Somebody could be mentally ill. Somebody can be physically hurt. Somebody could be anything. And I always have been a good judge of character as well. So I feel like that has helped me in my career for sure. There's two things I want to add to that. Part of the reason I noticed this, obviously I've sat here 700 times or something doing these images. And you're one of the first people to stop mid-conversation as you're speaking and say, you look like you had something to say there, Steve.

Because you were looking at my face. People don't usually do that. So it's funny because I meet some people who are much more aware of me. Some people there are just talking and they're giving their answers to my questions. And then there's this other very rare group of people, often comedians, who I almost feel like I'm speaking to them even when I'm just sat here thinking, because they're like hyper aware in that sense. And you just did that to me. So I thought, oh, he is super aware.

Which kind of correlates to everything you were saying there. But it always comes at a cost. Yes, I agree. All gifts do. I sat with, I think it was Michael Jordan's trainer, who also then trained Kobe. And he said to me, he goes, our dark sides are linked to our light sides. So the things people clap for are inherently linked to the things that we then struggle with. That's true for yourself, I'm presuming? Very true. And I think through life, I've learned that not all teachers have the best way of teaching, which I speak on his lessons.

Like he had many of lessons that were really good and on the positive side of life, where I had to eventually come to sources and just tell myself like, wow. I cannot look for more success and look for the light at the end of the tunnel without forgiving any and everything in my past. And that came with having to forgive my father in my head and also to him face to face of like, it's all, we just let it all go. And I think that helped me continue to move forward and not have any grudges.

Grudges can really hold a lot of weight on you. Maybe his mother was abusive to him or his upbringing was in a different type of area in the world where it was like Northeast DC, very trauma neighborhood that's very like, a negative place to grow up in. And he's from like the project buildings of that. But yeah, I think. The lessons he had were very good. He always talked about not half-assing anything. If you're gonna do something, do it all the way. If you're gonna mop the floor, don't just do this side of it, do it like this.

If you're gonna clean the dishes, do all the dishes. Don't just, don't half-ass, rinse it and then put it in there. But his lessons would be over the top. He's gonna break the dishes if you do it. He's gonna throw it up in the air and watch it crash on the ground. And then he's yelling to the highest he could yell. And it's just so, it used to be a lot, you know? And I think it almost like, you know, people talk about you, like, how can I be broken if I've already been broken at an early age?

And I kind of feel that way. Like people be like, oh, there's not too much of a burden on you in your career. There's not too much. I'm like, how could I be broken if I feel like I've already gone to my furthest extent? I can only continue to push myself to higher levels because I feel like I've gone through everything that could be the worst possible situation, at least in my brain. But yeah, he had very good lessons and always had quotes and sayings on things.

Like, I actually have to bring it up. But it's confusing because at an early age, I had no idea. Oh, okay, it only takes one, whoa, shit. I really fucked this up to negate 10 attaboys. I have no idea. Still to this day, I get confused, but I understood. Let me tell you when I understood that. I understood that as life went on and I started to notice a lot of my friends that I grew up with in the area I grew up in were going to jail or falsely being accused of things or ended up being dead or shot in the streets.

And like, we seen a lot of that stuff because I come from a neighborhood where it's the suburb, but it also had a mixture of the real Atlanta in there as well. But yeah, so these things were very confusing to me early on, but as I continued to grow in life, every single lesson that he had taught me and that he had told and talked about and constantly over, over, over, over again spoke on, it started to come back to me in my later years of life.

And I began to grow an appreciation for it. After I forgave him for all these past traumas or situations and everything that happened, but yeah. And when you say forgive, do you have a good relationship with him now? Yes, very, very good, for sure. Yeah, and I think you just, in anything in life, you have to move on from things and continue to push. I think you can never grow to do great things without looking back and being like, okay, I have to close the door on this.

I cannot hold this grudge. Because if you hold a grudge, you got to think about what a grudge is. A grudge is on you as a burden. That's a burden to everything. It's not just physical, it's a mental thing that can really rot people's brain out. It's a thing. And I'm sure you probably, you know. Of course, yeah. But a lot of people think of forgiveness as letting them win or justification. Or they feel like a loser because, oh, I'm not going to forgive them for that.

I've never, I'm going to hold that grudge to the death. It's like, yo, you're not helping yourself. That's actually a you thing. That has nothing to do with them or what they did. If you hold onto that, that's a forever thing for you. And one of the things that will give you is great resilience, I imagine. You talked about it there. You said, how can anything break me when I've already been broken to the fullest extent? Again, with that comes a set of issues you contend with as an adult.

I mean, I experienced it myself, which is if my parents were quite, there wasn't a lot of love between them. So one of the lessons I inherited was that relationships look like this, and this isn't necessarily a great thing that I want. So I swerved relationships every opportunity I was presented. I'd pursue people, and then the minute they turned to me and said, do you want to be in a relationship? I was like, it's too much. I've seen this before. I'm getting away from this. Now I know where this goes.

I know what you mean. I deal with that as well, for sure. I know exactly what you mean, yeah. Have you experienced that yourself as well? Yes, I feel like I continuously have grown a relationship with women in a way where I feel like I almost get scared with getting too close, kind of like how you explained, because of maybe I haven't seen the successful home of two parents or two people in a relationship. Yeah, maybe I haven't seen it with my own two eyes to work, and I feel like that kind of does hinder me a little bit because it does come in between when I feel these feelings for this girl, and I almost jump back immediately as soon as I'm like, nah, nah, nah, I don't trust it because I know what this comes with.

And they're like, yo, what do you mean? We didn't even get a chance to fully, and I don't know. It's a natural mind thing that happens to me, and I still, to this day, I have no idea. If you want to be my doctor for this, go ahead. I'm just hypothesizing. But I have no idea why. I feel like that has something to do with it. Maybe I haven't seen it in a way that's healthy, and that might be the reason why, but that's still a question that I need answered.

If I spoke to someone that you were in a relationship with and I said to them, is Drew affectionate? You're laughing, you know the answer, you just don't want to say it. I feel like they would tell you that I am until I'm not, and I basically just pull out, I pull back. I almost feel, once I get too close, I can't trust it. It's almost like a magnet when you reverse it on the other side. It's like when it comes too close, it starts to repel itself.

That's how I feel when it comes to me getting more and more closer with the female. That makes sense. I think that's what I experienced up until I was about 27 years old, I'm sure. But I'm 31 still. Yeah, it ain't that fun. I gotta find a wife. I have to find a wife, I have to find a wife. No, it'll happen, it'll happen. Does it matter increasingly as you become more successful to you? Do you think more about it as you go forward? It's hard to trust after you become, I think when you're kind of successful at the beginning, it's not hard to trust.

You're just like, yo, she likes me for me, but also she can still like me for the celebrity I am, kind of 50-50. But as you become more and more successful, you have this doubt in your mind, like this could absolutely be her in love with just Drewski and not Drew at all. Is that just a convenient excuse for the whole avoidant? No, no, no, I'm serious. I promise, it's a question in every superstar's mind. I guarantee you, even when they are with somebody fully, they still have a question in the back of their mind.

Does this person just love the superstar of me? That's so interesting. And it does bother somebody who is super successful because you see all these people will scream and chase you and you have a show or maybe a meet and greet and you see how people react to you or you go on the street and you almost want, you want to believe that this person that you're dating also is genuine, like how these fans are. Like, yo, okay, maybe she just loves me for me. Maybe this is not kind of like how the fans just love me for that.

You want her to believe that this is the same type of real thing. But it's hard to believe after you see all of this stuff, you only know me for that. You didn't meet me when I was just at home, living with my mom, broke on the sofa. You know what I'm saying? If you didn't see the real side of who I actually am, you know, if you get what I'm saying, you see the new personality, sort of say, yeah. It's tough, it's tough out here, man.

Could have been love. Fuck. So you go off to college and you lost, was it two semesters before you dropped out? Yeah, no, I started at a school that was in Gwinnett County where I grew up. So I spent like a year and then another half of a semester there and I got enough credits to transfer because I was like, okay, I've got to get out of here. Like I know my life is bigger than this. And I also, at the time, I wasn't thinking, oh, I want to be a superstar.

I was just thinking I wanted a real college experience. I wanted to go to a four-year college. I didn't have the grades to do it in high school and go straight there. I want to find a way to do it in college. So I think when I went to Georgia Southern as the school following that, I just wanted to find the college ecosystem of like, what's the vibe here? Oh, let's party, let's do this. And I didn't find that as soon as I got there. It's almost like I didn't get the immediate, this is college.

Like I thought I would get after I got there. And I went into like a deep depression because I had two guys that I knew went to the school from like, you know, somebody from your county, of course. And I was like, oh, okay, I'll link up with him. He'll be a great friend to be along with on this ride of whatever this new school is. And I would try to link up with them. And for some reason it always was a hassle for me to link up with them.

They always would be like, oh, we always got to pick you up. You don't have a car. And I'm like, no, I'll get an Uber to y'all. Well, if you don't have any money to get into the game, there's no point in coming because we can't pay for you. Or I want to come to the party with y'all. Oh, well, you have the same shoes that you hoop in. Why would we bring you like, they will always have jokes about maybe, I felt like I wasn't deserving enough to be around them, sort of say.

And I felt like almost very, for the first time in my life, very depressed. And that kind of bothered me because I started to just not even go to classes anymore at this new school. I was just staying in my dorm room. So I went to not even go into class anymore. Stopped going to classes for like the whole second semester of being at that school, no classes. Sat in my room and would just sit and think, I'm calling my friends back at home. They're not doing nothing.

So I kind of didn't want to go home. Cause I'm like, damn, they're not doing shit. I'm not gonna go back. But also like, what am I doing here? I'm not doing anything here either. What is my purpose in life? So sitting in there and being depressed and sad and looking at myself in the mirror, I started to figure out, I'm like, damn, what do I really want to do in life? Is any of this really makes sense? Like I'm here for sports journalism, but do I want, I know I want to be on TV.

Like I took sports journalism to be maybe an ESPN sportscast just to get my face on TV. I didn't know. I was like, maybe I want to do that. It sounds cool. But as I continued to do more, I guess, soul searching, sort of say, just sitting in the room and thinking about what I want to do. I would sit and watch Steve Harvey interviews on like, what is it you want to do in your life? Jump off a mountaintop and take a risk. And like, I would watch all these videos of everything, of people I looked up to, Kevin Hart.

And I started to figure out, okay, what's my purpose? These are the people I look up to, but what exactly do I want to do? And as I continued to do more search and I started to figure out, okay, wow, I think all the people I look up to are all like comedic legends. I'm watching Will Ferrell stuff, Chris Farley. These are guys that I find as my heroes. I think since I've always been the funny guy in every classroom, everything I've done, sports, I get kicked off the football team for being funny.

All this stuff is because I am a comedian. And it was almost like, I felt like an idiot because I'm like, damn, I'm sitting over here in college. That is my purpose. This is it. I feel more connected to them than I've ever felt to anything I've ever felt in my life. Why? The things they would say in a Kevin Hart interview, the things he would say in a Steve Harvey interview, the things Will Ferrell would say or Chris Farley would say or Jim Carrey, I felt more attached to it because they also felt a need and a purpose to become like a hero of comedy.

I don't know. It sounds dumb because when you tell your parents, oh, I wanna be a comedian. They're like, oh, you're like basically a clown, I guess. And you'll go start doing standup rooms and maybe you make it, maybe you don't. It sounds kind of silly telling people or your hometown friends, oh, I'm gonna be a comedian. But as I continue to do more and more research on everything I wanted to do, I started to figure out, okay, this is my purpose. And it always has been.

And I see these videos of me as a kid. I'm remembering memories of all this stuff early on. This is it. And that's when I just had like a, I don't know what they would call it, like epiphany. You know? But yeah, that was a big change for me in my career. Well, not even my career, at the beginning processes. When you say I was depressed, that word can mean lots of things to lots of people. For sure. What does it mean in your definition in that moment of your life?

If I was a fly on the wall or just in the room, but also if I was inside your head at that time, what would I hear? And what would I see if I was a fly on the wall? I think you would just see me in there confused, man. I would sit in my room for hours. I would sit there and play 2K. I would sit there and play music for hours and not, I wasn't really doing anything. I had no friends at that school.

I would walk to like the corner store. My mom will send me like $20. I'll buy as much as I could get to be able to stay in the room and not go out and socialize with all these people at this huge school. I would get as much food as I could get at the time to go back and just be in the room. And that's what I knew. I was like, yo, I'm really like in a state I've never been in in my life. Imagine I'm used to being at a high school where I was known as the class clown.

Anybody in my family knows me to be the guy that brings the warmth to the room and to make everybody laugh. And he's always bringing good energy to now I'm sitting here almost hiding away from society and very, very dark on myself. I'm very like hard on myself about. Everything that I want to do and I and I was it took it took a while for me to understand What it was I think me going on YouTube and trying to research successful people. I started to line up the people that I found inspiring and every single one of them were all comedians I Felt more attached to every single one of them that I've ever felt the test anybody else in my life It's funny because through your childhood you were You're a comedian, you know, clearly from all the videos that I've seen and People think of comedians as giving like you make us laugh Yeah, but obviously that you get something from that too sure and then suddenly you're in this room and you're no longer getting that thing Yeah, whatever it is for sure.

What is that thing? I knew that was a thing early on when I was a kid I would have these conversations with myself of At home after elementary of did I make the class laugh today and Why was why does that feel so good to me to? Brag about or I would ask other students Who's the funniest to you in this class or who's the funniest in our grade and I would really ask I was like why? Why do you feel like he's funny? Like wise wise Mikey funnier than me.

Tell me tell me why and it was almost like a competition in my head That nobody knew about but it was in me You know I'm saying like I felt like it was it meant something if they told me oh, yeah, of course You're the funniest guy in our grade. How would that make you feel that made me feel successful? it felt like I won the Mark Twain Award of the school like that is like the Oscar for me at a young age if somebody told me oh my god, you're the funniest at the school I think it's interesting often that your nature was clearly you're a comedian But that's not a career that kids are taught about they're taught about like you said like your dad said like good Yeah, that's blown off and all these other things, but they'd find a trade But until you have you're given a word for it.

Sometimes it doesn't you don't really don't have that epiphany I thought that about like being an entrepreneur I didn't know it was a thing until I was 19 and I was already doing it and then I heard the word and Someone gave it meaning. I was like, oh, that's the thing you can do as a job. Yeah, and then suddenly You know mind expansion, yeah, you know what it was I I knew I always knew That comedy was a thing. I didn't know that I Wanted to do it as bad as I was doing it I was always Watching it.

I always watched my mom would show us in living color Movies like what about Bob early on my dad would always have the Chappelle show on And I would try to sneak and watch that because I was very like much rated are and the kids mind I've they would be like, oh you can't watch this stuff get upstairs and I would still try to sneak Behind the stairs and look like oh my god That's so funny and I would try to say these jokes back at school that I hear Dave Chappelle saying or blank, man like he was like He was like a guy in a wheelchair from and live in color that ended up becoming a movie and they made this whole thing But the fact that matter is that I always it was always in front of me and I always was a big fan of Comedy, I just didn't know that my mom Sort of say was influenced and she and I say my mom because she would always put this stuff in front of us because she wanted She wanted the best for us, but she always she she was the Like almost like the seesaw to level everything out if something bad happens with my dad My mom was always there to level it out she was the one that would come in and tell him like David that's too much and sometimes he would bark at her and be Like get the fuck out of here.

Like these boys are gonna end up being men. They need to learn this now But she always had like quotes or good things. She would always say like Just just continue to believe in yourself continue to know this so she was my mom was always a big believer in anything becoming Big, you know Yeah, so I had I got to give her a lot for that You'd think the former president of Nespresso would be a pretty hard person to convert to a new coffee company But just one sip of committer coffee made him invest But let me tell you the reason why I became an investor so I had a big box of this arrive on my desk in the London office and Then I'd say within about an hour and a half the slack channel that we have starts blowing up with people asking What the hell is that thing that's been left in the kitchen?

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There's more to this than than what I feel It's in the back of me and I and I continued and that's what resonated with me from The video that I watched on him. That was it was like life-changing. I spoke to steve. Oh, man What do you got to show me man? He wanted he wanted to send you a little uh, a little video message as well Hey, what's happening? Hey, look, man. Uh, I heard they was doing something for you So I wanted to jump on here man and just give you some uh, some big ups man.

Let you know man I've been watching you for a while from the distance, man We've only spoken once but look man, I think you're special. You got a gift man. You're really really special And with that specialness man comes some responsibility And so just be careful man Remember everything your mom and your grandmama told you because you're gonna need all of that Because you're killing the game and once you start killing the game, it's like chess man. We're out here playing chess The object is to kill the king Sad, but true keep your faith brother.

Stay funny man. If you need me call unk. I got you. This is crazy That that is nuts bro That is amazing man and that and that really is a full circle moment even Hearing him say that and wow, man somebody somebody that definitely I looked up to him amongst, you know, the other kings of comedy as well as like Wow, man, that's that is that's deep That's deep what happens from there you go from being in that room. You watch me steve harvey videos Presumably you gotta call your mom and you gotta tell your mom that you're dropping out.

Yeah, she uh She wasn't happy about that. She I remember she cried And she she hung up on me and she was like, this is just so dumb. Like what are you talking about? What did you say? I couldn't get any words out. She hung up But I remember seeing her crying on the facetime after I just wanted to tell her What my vision was on because you know you you say i'm dropping out But then of course I have a rebuttal I have a great idea.

Yeah, and she hung up immediately so then I called my friend he came and Grabbed me from the school in the middle of the night. I was like four hours away from atlanta, georgia I'm deep down in southern, georgia. Um And we drove all the way back and when I got there, of course, she let me in the house and I think it was just a confusing time because I'm, also not making any money. So she's like now what like now What are you gonna do and I had this big plan and I told her what I was gonna do I'm, like i'm gonna be a comedian i'm gonna be on tv.

I promise you in a year I'm gonna make sure i'm on tv and if i'm not I told her this wild story of i'm gonna kill myself I said if I don't become a comedian and I don't become a famous comedian on tv i'm gonna kill myself And she's like don't say stuff like that. That is that is so dumb. I want you to go hard for whatever you're doing but that is just Why do you feel like it has to be comedy? and I was like this is something that and I continue to break down everything like this is What i've always wanted to be and I had it's almost like you have this great idea, but nobody sees The vision so then I went to my grandparents.

I told them the same vision that I had They lived down the street from her and they're like this is so What like what are you talking about go back to school get your education and then you do all that other stuff because they had the old school mindset of They probably seen people that didn't go to school and they seen people that didn't go to school People that did go to school get a job people that didn't go to school became maybe crack heads in their era I don't know like or became failures in life.

So they Didn't they never really saw the good side of what is and I was like The the 0.1 of people maybe even less than 0.1 percent of people that Are able to accomplish that after dropping out is like very unlikely So immediately when I told my grandparents they were like, oh, no, no, no, no, no They said don't we know what's gonna happen. You're gonna drop out. You're gonna be calling us asking for money Don't be calling our house and pulling up and you're gonna be doing drugs and i'm like guys.

Listen, i'm not gonna be doing They're like no, no, no, no, you know your grandparents black grandparents. They don't give a shit They like don't be coming over here and bothering us We know what's about to happen like you're gonna be a crack head and i'm like listen guys. I have a plan And essentially I didn't do it immediately. I started trying to work at um red lobster and then I worked at like a longhorns and I worked at outback steakhouse and mcdonald's I started to work jobs because it was like a quick Money thing and then I fell victim to being living in atlanta where I was doing illegal stuff And now i'm seeing myself going to this whirlwind of damn I came home to do this drug dealing no, no No is in atlanta, there's like a It's like a scamming Circle of of where a lot of people fall victim to he's like you can do quick Easy scams with banks or doing card scams just stuff like that.

And I never was a bad guy. I just I I felt like That was an easier way to do it while i'm trying to pursue this stuff, but I felt like the karma Of this stuff was weighing on me. It's like oh i'm gonna do i'm gonna try to pursue comedy while doing this and it never Worked out. I didn't even pursue it. I just was Flirting with it. I was going back and forth. Yeah, I was just continuing to flirt back and forth with the idea of it and then It was the moment that we got arm robbed Where I had a outer body feeling of wow I came home To be in this predicament where I have a gun to my head now And now it's like how did I even get here?

So let me rewind back That Was the last moment I said, okay If i'm going to do anything i'm going to become a comedian Or die trying That's it. I have no other outlet now. I know once I saw The barrel of that gun being pointed at me and my friend at the time. It was a bad Scamming situation gone left That was the moment I noticed. Okay If I survive this I am going to turn my life around And i'm not going to go to a job I'm, not going to go back to my mom's house and try to say oh i'm doing this that i'm going to lock in actually Do it And from there on I went home.

I wrote all these goals down on a sheet of paper and my mom She was kind of in the mix of what happened a little bit too She had heard because she saw me walking around the house being stressed out. I told her what's going on and I wrote down all these goals because she would always say You can't do anything without writing things down ever since I was a kid She was like you should write that down if you want to remember something write it down Do you remember what the goals were the first one I ever wrote was?

Don't have a plan b Your plan a will work No plan b your plan a will work the second one I wrote was about Was the about hosting a tour on there? Yeah. Yeah hosting a tour was definitely on the hosting An awards evening Yeah that both of those was on there I wrote down that I wrote I'm being a comedian. I wrote down amongst a lot of other things. How do you how do you know that? How do you know that that was that was on that I haven't sent y'all production So we got this scamming thing we do where we can stop starting a major movie for sure All that is down there man, and you're 23 at the time roughly.

Yes 23. So what's happened then? So you left college at what what age I left college around? 21 22. Okay, so in between 21 22, I left college So it's a year or two at home with your mom year and a half I'll probably say a full year has been at home before all that transpired tried the jobs and tried the legal stuff that didn't work and now I'm here and I start to actually do the things that I wrote down. What does that mean? Specifically like I think the first thing that happened after I wrote these goals down The first thing that happened everything was taken away it felt like everything dropped out before it got good everything I Wrote down these goals wrote the date on there.

Boom. I'm doing it. I was like, all right now I'm locked in This is it. I'm all in I have no other option. There's no other plan B. Nothing Immediately my car gets repossessed I'm like, you know, what the fuck now I can't travel and do So it's funny because It's soon as you want to pursue all these things everything has to come out and and you're it's confusing because most people never get a chance to see The real side of success because they quit At that moment that breaking point of everything falling out of your life.

They're like, oh my god I didn't prayed for all this stuff. I didn't wrote everything down. I got this this board of this mood board I got everything and then I'd lose this and I see it. It don't work But I knew I'm like, I'm gonna keep going I'm not gonna stop here. I actually made that like a content piece I've recorded my car getting repossessed and people like yo, what the hell are you posing this for? I was like, well, there it is There she goes But really I was sad as shit.

I was like damn I got nothing but I I feared nothing because I'm like I Have I have nothing left I'm sitting here in a room no no mattress. I'm laying on the floor I'm using my little sister's blanket that she has as a blanket on the ground Like I don't have any dressers in here Like, you know when you go to college your mom gives away all your shit Like she she sells it or she puts it in some warehouse. So I didn't have none of my side I just was laying on the floor and I was like, yeah, I had my car but now that's gone So what else could I lose like I'm my back's against the wall I'm gonna continue to keep pursuing making videos.

Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom, and that's what I did I continued to boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. I wasn't gonna stop and I was using my mom's house as essentially a movie set I Started to flip the couch upside down I wanted to do a surveillance camera at the top left side of the room to make a little come on first 48 I'm interviewing myself on the first 48 episode boom as one of the skits I have another skit where I'm using this jacket that my mom had in the closet and I'm putting that on the Mac like a news reporter Fox 5 In the backyard and I I'm putting the phone cropped up on the trash can outside in the backyard And my mom used to come home.

She's like what the fuck Are you doing she used to see that house and shambles? But I got to give it to her cuz she she stuck through it with me I would always give her these updates like I have 10k followers. Now. I have 15k followers. She's like, okay So, what does that mean? Did you make any money? I'm like, no, but I have people watching and I was like Oh, I got a hundred K followers. Did you make any money yet? No, but people are watching And I continuously just kept giving these updates as eventually I started to make money through promotion I would promote people's music and Their their videos and throw it on my story and I would do a full day of promotion It would make me a couple hundred dollars maybe and that would be enough to maybe go out that night It just wasn't like it wasn't anything real fulfilling or I would help my mom with groceries like I would try to do things You know make money, but it wasn't really making any real money at the time and then I continued to keep building So yeah, no, I think those those early moments really shaped a lot For me.

I mean, I've got a video here as well that I found and you can explain what this one is to me Yeah That was actually my first video I ever posted on socials ever First video ever that's when Instagram first started the whole 15 second video Post thing, you know Vine was doing it for like six seconds and I didn't never was on that and I came around and it was like 15 seconds on Instagram you could post a video on my friend Chauncey and Now he's like my lead comedic writer and he was like bro.

Just go like just post it I was like, it's kind of silly. I'm just acting like I had like those are like $1 bills I was acting like I was fucking ones and I'm just and he was like just posting I think that got like Maybe 80 comments 60 or 70 comments something like that was like hometown people. Hmm, and they were just like, oh my god It's so funny. We see what you're doing. That's that's dope. Hopefully you do more like people were just supporting it I was like, all right Well, I'm more creative than this and I started to kind of change to become more and more Creative because I was like, all right, I did that but that's like Silly stuff.

I know what I'm capable of. But yeah that that was the very first video I ever threw up This one I found really interesting. I'm just gonna play it fast Yes, right, I'm telling you know, you know, I said you'll be on your level one day You You're saying in that video that You're gonna be on meet Mills level someday and that when you dapped him up and told him that mm-hmm I lied about that. I did not dap him up and tell him that I saw him at a party It was so Influential.

I shouted it over somebody like yo me. I'm a big fan, man I I'll be on your level someday. I didn't shake his hand. I was just I was chatting but In our in our County we have almost like what you would call like a hood legend Lou Williams He went to the same high school. I went to he made it to the NBA Played amongst a bunch of teams six man. You probably know him Drake did a song about Lou Will You know balling out a soccer net like Lou will so he was almost like the hero to us.

He would throw these parties Which were like essentially like, you know have all these celebrities come to Gwinnett County at a time when a county's not on the map It's not like a known thing like we're just like a suburb outside of Atlanta and he would have these celebrities come to these parties and We would be able to go because we're locals in Gwinnett So you would see all these celebrities and I was like, wow, I would look at Lou Will's house he's currently in the NBA and I'm like, wow, this is insane and Meek Mill came one night and I I Said I told him that but I just shouted it and he had a bunch of security with him He didn't even let us over there.

But yeah, I was you could tell I was man. I was to keep manifesting. Yeah manifestation and Like there was no stutter in my speech right there I definitely felt that way about everything I was doing and I probably have said a lot of things around the time They probably weren't recorded where I was very like trying to pursue greatness I've always been a big fan of pursuing greatness my entire life I've never wanted to just be good. I always wanted to be great So, yeah that that just shows right there now, I'm surprised one of my friends he still had that clip They sent it to me and I posted it.

Yeah, the thing I find interesting generally is in that situation look at that context or in your mother's house using the front room And a blanket as both your bed and also you're so like creative studio Objectively in that situation the odds are stacked against you but but in your head you're thinking I'm either gonna be Great or in your words, I'm gonna kill myself Yeah, it was a little far when you said that what did you actually mean? What did you mean? I felt like I you meant it.

I was I was I was you know, what it was I was so I Was I was chasing Being great and I and I might have been far-fetched And me to say something as wild as that but that's honestly how I felt like I was going to make it happen or I was gonna see perceive myself as a failure. I didn't see anything Different. I saw nothing else but a green light down this tunnel. I saw nothing. I Knew in the back of my mind what I was capable of.

I already knew I felt like my entire life I knew but I just didn't put the pieces together But when I told my mom that I knew I said, okay I have committed to something that I know there is no possible in or out I'm going to do this or die trying truthfully You know Like I feel like I I'm either gonna do this or I'm not and I'm gonna make it happen So I knew I wasn't gonna kill myself essentially I knew mm-hmm. I'm not gonna kill myself because you believe because I believe I'm going to do it But if I don't mm-hmm, I'm out of here Sounds crazy, but it's true sounds crazy, but it's true man.

That's how much belief I had in myself and that's How I felt like with my back against the wall like I really did Want to do it that bad and still like I do Feel the same about achieving greatness. I don't tend to like things that are just good And people are like, oh my god, I became rich. I'm I'm good man. I'm going on vacation. I don't do any vacationing. I Find it soothing to be in a chaos situation of work and Juggling of multiple projects at once like that is what I want to do.

This is what I got into it for So that that's my full goal Yeah And when you look back on that season of life where you're you first move home with your mom As as a 31 year old now, what has it taught you about what it takes to be successful broadly again remove Luck from the equation. Let's remove some people getting fortunate with lottery tickets whatever else but generally what has it taught you about? What it takes to be successful in the pursuit of a goal like that where to be honest not many people ever make any money Yeah The odds of you being successful as a comedian Defined let's define the nuns as making being able to provide for yourself in a family It's crazy odds, but the thing is most people don't really want to be great Most people just say it because it sounds good.

Like I I would be around a lot of guys and be like, yo Let's do it. Let's wake up in the morning. Let's and it would just fall out. Everybody eventually just goes away Everybody that said they were gonna do it They do it one day and that's showing up the third or the second day Nobody nobody shows up continuously for the work And once I notice there's a small amount of people that are showing up for the actual work of anything It just showed me that okay.

I'm in a lane of this of my own. I'm pursuing something that most people Say, but they're not really trying to pursue Everybody wants to be number one You want to be the top of the list? Everybody wants to be the top of the list, but nobody really wants to do the work. Nobody's obsessed with it Continuously every day and night having dreams about it. Nobody's sitting and editing with their editors 18 hours plus of like just sitting looking at clips. Nobody's going and doing tours While trying to continuously film a TV show could have been love in the middle of that tour.

Nobody's Trying to also shoot a movie like right now We're shooting with Universal the catch with Emma Stone and Chris Pine. We're also still trying to fulfill my social media presence I'm trying to juggle all these things in one because I want to be great I don't want to just do it and be like, okay, I'm gonna take some time off and just know I really want to be number one. I don't I'm not really falling victim to being okay with being cool with number two or three and I joke about all the time because one of my favorite movies is talent digging nights and Ricky Bobby said if you ain't first You're last and I and we made my family joke about all the time.

We laughed about it, but I kind of took that vision seriously because that's really how I live my life and that's really how I feel because What else could be other than wanting to be number one what happens when you become number one You still got to keep pushing the pouch because somebody's chase There's somebody coming. Somebody's on the way. So I feel like the journey never ends because you're always continuously chasing You know, if it's not the people before you is trying to continue to set the bar high for the people behind you Yeah, so and what does being great mean in your definition of the word like if I said, you know You said that you stated that the goal is to be great.

How would you know you've become great? I think being great has a lot of different meanings it doesn't it doesn't have a money value or a certain touring value or I think just being great and always just becomes down to just How far you're willing to set the bar? There's always people before you that have done great things you got Eddie Murphy that has set the bar fucking Way up here. Then you got Kevin Hart. That's fucking damn near where Eddie's at and he looks very healthy.

He looks like he might Take it further than Eddie who knows. I don't know But there's always somebody gaining on that right behind the greats before he's the same with Kobe Jordan LeBron Somebody's gonna continuously keep setting the bar higher. So it's like We're all trying to just Leave a legacy sort of say like I think that's what we're all trying to do And you want to be in that conversation when it's all said and done I would love to be in that conversation It's not saying I want to be surpassed and we all want to surpass great things.

We all do But just to be in that conversation and to be remembered and to leave a legacy. That's what matters One of the things that I've observed with people that go in the pursuit of greatness and achieve it it's just they have they have like a different level of like patience and They have a longer time horizon because with Eddie with Kevin Then it takes a lot of like lonely lonely years decades Sometimes I sat here with the greatest illusionist in the world and he told me that he spent 10 years doing card tricks on restaurant Tables and you go what a crazy fucking thing to do like whatever or like this other I mean even Jimmy Carter to me like he dropped out of his his great job I believe it was in marketing and spent five six years getting paid absolutely nothing Just cracking jokes and pubs and stuff and you're like, what a what sane person.

Yeah Would would think would take that trade. Yeah when I zoom back into where you were in your mother's house How long was it? How from that I guess from University from college to the moment where you go actually chip. This is This might be able to pay my way that I can so I can move out. How long was that period of time? Years, man, honestly years. We're talking like Years of seeing nothing and I think people don't see that people see With social media, there's a bunch of quick Reaction to things and people like oh my god this person.

Oh, they wouldn't borrow for that. Oh my god Now what can I do with this people always worried about? Oh, I'm gonna take this thing I did this video I did and now I'm trying I'm gonna go get a team. I'm gonna go It's like what are you doing? You don't need a fucking team. Keep grind do it again Do it again man And and and when you're trying to be great you never get a chance to celebrate The things that you have done you almost don't feel in the moment because you're looking for them What's the next thing and I kind of give credit of that because I do the same thing.

I do it all the time we did the BET Awards and The next day I was already flying to go shoot my TV show collecting praise with my caps that we just shot I had somebody in the congregation as why I'm wearing Christian to your and Christian Louboutins Cuz I'm a Christian I Immediately the next day we almost I didn't even get a chance to take it in I'm like, oh my god, you did a BT words. So I'm always want to do my life. Boom.

I'm on the plane I'm at the next thing Immediately after I do collect and praise we shot that for two weeks back-to-back Boom on a plane the next day after the final day of that We're all clapping everything on a plane next day. We're shooting the catch with Emma Stone and Chris Bond The next day so it's like you never really get a chance To take a lot of these things in because you continuously progress and progress and progress and and my mom would always I Feel like she influenced me to be like that because I would come home from school all the time and be like Oh, I got a a B on this test.

She's like, oh you could have done better I'm like, all right. I did this at school. They told me I was no, no. Oh, come on You could you could have done better on that? Mm-hmm Not like it's not enough but it's like you always can do better. There's even if you got an a on this Why did you get a plus do you want to be a detach yourself? Yeah. Yeah for sure. Of course Where's that gonna fit in this crazy life? No, but I think both of my parents they they both did that same shit of like I would bring my dad math equations and him being a pilot he would break it down and crazy ways of like What the fuck like I would say, oh this is division Could you help me with this and he'll take 40 minutes to be like, oh you you answered it But you could have done the long division this way.

Okay, let me tell you MX Times BX squared you could get this answer Reversed let's reverse this answer. If you get this you get it multiple different way So I'd be like what the hell bro. I just brought you a simple division equation Why did you make it long division and then go into MX times BX squared, but these are my parents though they're always looking for the greater thing Always no matter what it was Even if it was academics You could have done better or you could have gotten it a different way or there's other routes to get to it It was almost never a correct answer in my household because there's different ways you can find an answer to anything so imagine what that does to my mind of Damn, I've gotta find a way and not just in one way.

I got to find it in multiple different ways So when I do my type of comedy I never sit on doing one thing if I do one thing that's amazing I'll come back and hit another Situation. I'll hit another situation. I might be funny in this way, too I'm not just gonna be funny in this way. I can also be funny at a live show I can also be funny and a sketch version. I can also be funny in a movie I can also be funny on a TV show.

I can also be funny in a commercial You see a T-Mobile commercial you see Drew skis face on it with Zoe's Aldana and Jeff Bridges Why the fuck is Drew ski iron with Zoe's that on his every I don't know, but it works It's a comedic relief of this commercial, but I feel like my life has gone in that direction because of these Upbringings of these teachings that both of my parents had set for us Listen, I've been catfished by furniture my whole life where something has looked fantastic in the picture Whether it's a sofa or whatever it might be and I order it and I get so excited and then it comes and it's something Entirely different the quality was Significantly different to what it said or looks like online or that the texture was different or or it didn't hold up in the same Way and so one of the things that I love about our sponsor Wayfair who helped us fit out our green room Which is in the room behind me is they have this system called Wayfair Verified Wayfair verified takes away all of that second-guessing products are hand vetted by Wayfair specialists for quality So you can feel more confident when you found the thing that you love So if you're looking for furniture for your house, whatever it might be any room of your house Go to Wayfair comm to start your home refresh today and make sure you use Wayfair verified.

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Ah Or was there a moment at all I think You say like a big check moment, you know Like one of those moments an opportunity comes in and you can't wait to tell your mom because suddenly you were right I went I went like quote-unquote at the time. It might have been 2022 I kind of have to Cove it died down. I was gaining a little bit more Traction everywhere and I had told her that a celebrity had posted me And I was so excited. I was like, oh my god a celebrity posted me and she was like, oh my god She's like so so it seems like so what happens now?

Do they tag you in it? Do people follow you? Like no, they didn't tag me. It's just they just posted the video. She's like did like is there opportunity? Like are you gonna shoot like a video? Are you doing anything with them? I was like no No, they just they just reposted my video. It's like Now what and I'm like, well, I'm back to square one. It's like yeah, my parents were big on breaking things down So you feel never really fulfilled. You don't feel fulfilled with anything because you are Always trying to figure out.

Okay, this opportunity is great. But what's next? Do you feel fulfilled with your work now? No not yet Too young. It's just too much more to go man way too much. Look what Jim Carrey did. Look at Eddie Murphy, man. Look what Uh, chris farley has achieved adam sandler man. These guys are fucking are you happy though? I'm very happy. I'm very happy but fulfilled no I have so much more. Is it not possible to be fulfilled and also to be in pursuit? Is there a way you're saying to be both?

Yeah, like to be fulfilled with no your hunger has to always continue to live any anybody that's Like nice try Anybody that is pursuing greatness will never tell you that the hunger has stopped it has to continuously keep going There's there's no way no way man So closing off in this period of your life where you're still at your mom's house When did that change? What was the moment where you were like sure I can leave now Well, I had all my clothes stacked in the living room because I people started to send me So many merch clothes, you know when you become, you know at the time like everybody's an influencer.

They would send Influencers all type of loads because they want you to wear it in your next video or whatever you're doing So I had all these clothes stacked up in her like dining room area I wouldn't even say living was like the dining room in the front of the house And I started to kind of make some money to where I was like, all right, maybe I need to find like an apartment Now that now that I have some type of money I can actually get out of here But I think me crowding up that dining room.

I started to notice okay Now I can kind of live on my own, but it wasn't until I started to actually The thing that changed my life at the time was drake calling for The laugh now cry later music video Everything shifted after that because brand started to take me seriously. It wasn't no more sending free merch and oh you get this or We'll bring you out to this event and we just want your appearance and you could get in free Now it's transactional with everything Once I was seen on a higher level With you know drake is I think at the time is little dirk.

We had Marshawn lenz kevin durant Odell beckham jr. All in this video alongside with me And me being the comedic relief in this video, which was called laugh now cry later This meant a lot more than just how did another music video? Where were you when you found that out that he had called? No, it just he just was a was a big fan of a lot of the stuff I was posting during that early time, but it wasn't until then No real money was coming in no money at all But that that shifted everything because brands started to see me in a broader light um, and they started to see me as an actual Star so to say instead of just another Amongst all these other guys who are doing Comedic things, you know, but were you speaking to him directly on dm?

Yes. Yeah, it was just all through dm at the time um up until I met him, but yeah all that was like it was very just Short back and forth laughing at this video laugh at that video find this funny find that funny and then we had like a long conversation once he told me that I would be starring in that music video and that was just about like leading this generation of comedy and just what I am to You know the world at the time and and then i'm hearing his words.

I'm like, yo, maybe this dude's just gassing me up I don't this is this is wild to hear from somebody who is In my eyes a full-blown superstar megastar but yeah could that that's one of those things is just like Could never repay him and like that was to take a chance on me at the time just doing Silly stuff of what I I thought was great but at the time it was so Looking back i've had great stuff, but it's like so minimal to what I do now It's like I can't believe he took a chance, you know on me in that circumstance, but it shifted everything It shifted everything almost immediately almost immediately Yeah, I think it was it was almost a more of a seriousness that people took me more than just showing up for things You know the transactional Conversation started to go into play When you look back on your arc and you hear about other people's journeys and arcs.

What else have you learned about? Again, what it takes there's the obsession. There's the dedication. There's the hours. What about like the business part? Like how do you climb ladders? Is it people? Is it knowing a guy? It's all all relationships even in the biggest buildings majority of it Is relationships, of course your talent weighs a lot But relationships are very much key what does that mean for someone that has no idea what goes on in these buildings a relationship is key because these people want to know that you are a good person to be around they want to know if You're going to be starring in my t-mobile commercial We want to have dinner which we want to see what type of person you are They want to make sure you're not a guy that's going to go out and do Nothing wild after we trust you with this.

You're going to be all over tv We trust you with these things you we sign you to a nike deal. You're in a t-mobile deal These people it's all about relationship who you know How you treat people they they like to sense What type of person you are in a separate environment from who you are as the celebrity druski You know i'm saying like people tend to want to meet Who the real you is before we present you to our world? We want to see who you are as a person.

So I feel like a lot of my upbringing was around this broad horizon of different ethnicities Different genders of everybody we had indian people mexican white Black african jamaican everything you could everything in gwinnett county So that type of stuff shaped me to be able to go in these rooms with these bigger brands and be able to talk to anybody I did you have to learn everything to do that? did you have to mature or learn a skill of like coming from where you come from to be in a Room with these big brands and these people in suits in corporate america Nah, man, it's it's it's funny because I always Have been a people person like I anytime I would As a kid going to a grocery store my mom I would like if I saw a kid's parent that plays with me on the football team I saw his parents walking around I would go up and talk to his dad and like make him laugh and joke I'm like, hey, man, give me a cigarette man.

Let me get a cigarette You better go outside smoke a poke man and just jokingly talking as if i'm not 10 years old but I think that is a big part of what i've learned about You know just the industry in general it's about more about relationships and you know how you treat people and how This interview goes or how this you know This dinner is with this guy who may not know nothing about you. He may not know your background nothing Are you able to have a one-on-one conversation with him?

And have him trust you and whatever goes down whatever you're talking about Are you a good person and I think it comes down to that regardless of anything you do Yeah, so It's interesting because when you're dealing with like corporate america You're dealing with these big brands and you mentioned t-mobile and all these other brands You've got this this this sort of off-camera drew Guy who meets them for the dinner, but then you've got drew skew on camera and drew skew on camera Part of your comedy is you really like push the boat out.

You say the part out loud that most people wouldn't say How what? Is your decision framework that I was like, cause there's this term, you know, I worked in advertising for a long time. There's this term brand safety, which means like, is this person sufficiently sanitized enough that we can use the word, like trust this person with the brand. But then on the other end, the thing that people love about you is you say the part that other people don't say you point at it. What's your risk equate when you're thinking about content, what's the like framework you use to decide whether this is okay or if it's not okay?

For sure. No, that's a great question. Um, I think the way I look at all of this stuff and, and people ask me that all the time in person, whenever I see him, is that I've never punched down with any jokes that I ever do, any jokes I ever do always come from a good hearted place. Even if I'm doing auditions, a skit that I do anything, you can never show me something that I've done that was like, oh, that's punching down, or that wasn't inclusive of the other person that might've been in that situation or, oh, he doesn't, he doesn't touch on this because of that, or he doesn't do that.

I always come from a lighthearted place and a good hearted place. Of my comedy. I never was the guy to be, cause you do have it. You have those guys out there, like a Sasha Baron Cohen that has like the dark humor of things, and maybe he might've upset some people that were, you know, and it might come from a bad place. I don't know. I've never met the guy. I don't know. But I come from a good place with majority of all my humor. I've just got this mental flash of you doing this, but even then, even, even with that, even with that comes from a good place, didn't touch on anything because at the, at the, in the same time, I'm not a political guy.

I'm not a guy that's going out here trying to portray this. Like I know anything about anything. I am just the guy here for laughs comedian. I don't care for none of that serious stuff. People ask me all these deep cause I'm like, yo, I don't look at anything like that. Like, I think I'm just being me. I never was trying to get into no deep side of anything with nothing. You are consistent. That's what I went through. I was going through all of your, all of your skits.

Um, and I was thinking, look, he's consistent with, with your values and what you're not aiming at anyone in particular. You're just pointing out the funny. And never punching down. That's a, that's a big one. People can never show me anything. It was like, okay, he's punching down at this. This is a, it's coming from a bad place. It's always me genuinely just speaking on what's funny or mannerisms or things that I, I see people do where I'm people watching or, you know, just exposing things to the world that we see that we don't notice that we see and it has nothing to do with the fucking political side or the race side and all that stuff.

It's just stuff that's going on in real life that we see. Sometimes comedians have a, have a way of showing the viewer something that they don't notice that they see. It could be in the back of your brain and you can bring it to life and be like, wow. I might've saw that 15 years ago, but that's funny because I remember seeing that you bring these things to life. This is what a great comedic actor does. I think it's probably, there's probably something in the fact that if, if both sides at some point are angry at you or shouting at you for doing something, at least that means that you're not politically affiliated necessarily because you're trying to find things that.

I don't even know what the fuck, I don't even, I don't even touch on none of that political or. But that means that you're just finding things funny everywhere versus just finding them funny over there or just finding them funny over there. I agree. I think I just, I've never had the want to do that. And some people like you, you have these late night shows that talk about that type of stuff or, you know, these guys that that's their spiel. That's not my spiel. Same with podcasters.

I don't, some people have, they touch on that stuff. And I feel like with you, you never get too in depth with any of that. You let them talk and you just ask whatever you're going to has. And it just happens. I was going to happen. Yeah. And I'll sit with Michelle Obama or JD Vance or Ivanka Trump or Kamala Harris. I've sat with all of them. I'll sit with all of them and I'll ask the questions I'm curious about. And I think it's possible just to be curious, you know?

So it sounded like Trump did ask Erica to sue you though. But you must be, this is crazy. I don't know if that's true. I don't know. It looks like it. I read it and I thought that can't be, that's, there's no way that's true. There's no way that's true. Here we go. In March, you released the video of how conservative white women in America act, and it did hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of views. I think I watched it like 20, 20 times.

And then in April, exactly one week later, Trump made the comment to Erica cook that she should sue him. He didn't say who, but I'm just saying, who knows? I don't know if he was talking about me to this day. I have no idea, but people sent me that video. I just didn't know if it was pertaining towards me. I just, just left it alone. I have no idea. I don't know. That's crazy though. Yeah. But even in a weird way, it does speak to the impact that you work.

If, if he was taught, I don't know if he was though. You know, I'm not looking to get sued by nobody. I'm not looking forward to that. No, man. No, for sure. No. Is it a compliment in a weird way? Uh, not necessarily. I don't think I would look into get sued. We have too much shit that we're pursuing right now to be looking forward to that. No, not at all. That's crazy. Hey, I love how you said that's crazy. No, but that is crazy. Thinking about it.

I'm like thinking about you in that room with your sister's blanket. And then, and then I just had this mental, then Trump's like, so in the white house, which is just, that's crazy. I don't know, man. Kind of inspiring in a weird way. No, but I don't think that was towards me. You're saying, well, we'll never know someone asks him, but I mean, yeah. So since then it's been, you've had a unbelievable career and you've really managed to do something that very few people who start out making content on the internet are able to do, which is traverse multiple industries and mediums.

I feel like I've seen you everywhere from commercials. Did you do the Superbowl? Yeah, we did a Superbowl commercial. You did the Superbowl. Last year it was Dunkin' Donuts Superbowl commercial. This year it was T-Mobile with the battery boys. This Dunkin' Donuts commercial. Yeah. I had this crazy story that they accidentally sent you Jim Carrey's money. No, they didn't send the money. They sent an email showing how much he would be getting paid for that hour. Oh, or the two hours that he was there. Insane.

And they weren't supposed to. They were actually mad that I even spoke on that, but he didn't even show up. He didn't even accept the job. I don't, I don't think he ever said yes to it, but they accidentally sent it to me, assuming that it was, I guess, Jim Carrey's management. They sent it to my management and I think they accidentally sent the proposal, Oh, which was supposed to be for him. And they might've sent my proposal to him, but his proposal to me. I can only imagine him.

He saw the amount I was getting. That's probably why he didn't do this shit. He probably saw my shit. Jim Carrey saw the proposal, how much I was getting paid for this shit. I don't know. But, um, yeah, no, it was, it was an insane amount of money. And I was like, wow, I, that, that gives me a lot of inspiration to become on that level one day. People are saying it was in the region of $5 million. So why not? Yeah. For two, for two hours of shooting.

And they sent you that figure. So you got to see what he was being paid for two hours. I hope he didn't see mine. Cause that would be embarrassing. So that's a $2.5 million an hour to shoot a commercial. And he said, no, I said, no. So imagine what he wants. I'm not sure if it's money. Yeah. And that is something I look up to him about. He's one of those guys that doesn't look at a money sign and just say yes to. He's one of those guys that genuinely cares about his craft and his legacy.

He still hasn't done a Grinch two yet. I know they're shooting it right now, but up to this date, they didn't until last week, they didn't announce that they were shooting Grinch two. So how much money was he wanting before, or was it even about money? Or did he just not want to do another one? You never know. I don't know, but I feel like he's very specific about everything that he does. You ever seen fire Marshall bill from and live in color? No. Oh my God.

You have no idea. You haven't seen shit. That's the, like damn near the beginning of the character of Grinch fire. Marshall bill is like the teaser of what the Grinch became and the mask. It has a twist of the mask in there too, but like, so he was like the only white person on a living color at the time, but just check it out. He's like a very philosophical for sure. Wise. Yeah. He's very wise, man. Have you met him? Never met him one day. That's another guy.

That's on my, um, list that I would love to meet, man. Love, love, love to me. Part of the game that we often don't speak about as well with people like yourself is just the rejection along the way, because your story could quite easily be portrayed as this sort of like, you know, bump in the road here, college, a couple issues here. This situation happens. Drake calls after you've spent a long time on your own posting and compounding and then off to the races, happy ending, but there's still rejection along the way.

I was reading that you were rejected by both Netflix and Amazon. Yeah. Early on. What was the proposal you made to them? And what was that? I think it was multiple. It wasn't just one time. I think we've, we've years and years of proposals and I had like different FX proposals that we were supposed to get a show with FX. It was a, no, it was supposed to do a movie with Amazon. It was a note supposed to do multiple different products with Netflix. No, no, no, no, no, no.

And we just never gave up. And I eventually said, if I'm getting money from these companies and they're paying me instead of going and buying a car or another house or maybe a nice jewelry and all this stuff, I'm going to invest in myself and I decided to just go and all these show ideas that I had, I'm going to do it on YouTube and spend my own money to invest into it. And that, and that is essentially what I did. And I think that's brought to you could have been auditions as brought to you.

Could have been love that's brought to you. Could have been house. Could have been daddy amongst other things. Like you've seen in the Drewski universe of taking it to another level with all the sketches and the production I've done and the millions of dollars I've spent and all these things, I started to just believe in myself and not turn around and try to, Oh, I'm going to come back and try to do the same proposal again. And a better way. It's like, I'm just bet on myself.

And then they cool. Now it's yeah. It's a whole different story. Now they want to purchase these shows that we've made and do more in the future. Yeah. So now it's a bidding war. What is the lesson there? The lesson there is just believing yourself, man, before anybody sees the vision, you have to see it. If you don't see the vision yourself, you're almost doing yourself a disservice. It has to start with you. And I think most people don't understand what they have in front of them.

Everybody's like, Oh, I'm waiting on the big movie. I'm waiting on my big movie break. Once I do it, I'm going to do this. Once they give me an opportunity, I'm waiting on my opportunities. Yeah. I'm going to just keep until they give me, I'm going to keep. You don't even believe in yourself, man. All that money you got last year from this and that and all these things. You didn't put not one dime until your content, you still shooting the same shit with the same phone.

And that's cool. Some people are cool with that. You don't need much. Not saying you need the big productions I have, but you don't. But are you really doubling down and betting on yourself if you're not investing in your own stuff? And that was the conversation I had to have with myself. And I was like, damn, I'm going to show them not by coming back and doubling back. I'm going to show them by doing it myself and having them wanting what I did in reverse. And maybe they don't want that.

Maybe they'll see what I was capable of doing and then wanting to do other things. But along the way, you're going to have to have a lot of smart people for sure. Who by their job title or their status or their LinkedIn bio, evidently know much more than you do telling you that you're wrong, telling you that that idea is not a good one. And that is something that I guess you have to like conceptualize in your head. Like, well, how do I deal with that?

This smart person in search streaming platform is telling me no. But I think yes. And plenty of people have told me no man, even down to the dudes that I was telling you that were making fun of me at the college saying, oh, you don't even have no shoes to go out with as well. We pick you up. I told those guys on the, the second, the last week I kind of was going to classes that I was going to try to pursue comedy. And they were like, bro, come on, man.

They were like, yo, you're funny, bro. But you ain't, you ain't that funny. Think about what you're going up against. You going up against like Kevin Hart or like the Kings of comedy, Bernie Mac and all these guys. Think about it, bro. What they doing as big, that's like unfathomable. Like you can't even tell that day. I'll never forget that conversation. Cause it was like a little side conversation with them. Maybe it was like, oh, whatever. They probably might not even remember that conversation. It was just like a, whatever conversation to them.

Were they right? When they said, by the way, drew those legends are up there and you're down here. Not a, not a shot. They weren't right. Not at all. I believed even then I could already see it happening. Like I had visions of it already being in front of me before I even got a chance to actually do it. I guess also what I'm saying is like they, they, they could have been theoretically, right. That there was a long gap. It's not to say you couldn't close it.

No, there's not to say I couldn't close it. I agree. Yeah. But what they were saying is almost like, as if it wasn't even possible. Yeah. Okay. The way they put it was almost like, come on, man. That's so, that's so wild to think. Do you know why I say this is because there's so many kids right now that are looking at you or they're looking at, I don't know, insert sports athlete or insert podcaster, and they're going, they're looking up at a mountain top and they're going.

Objectively, that person is better than me, they have the skills, they have the mannerisms, they have the body language down, like, the gap is so big that I won't even bother, and that's kind of what I'm pointing at, is did you ever feel, did you ever know the gap was big? I never looked at it like it was a big gap, I always felt, because when, I'm going to tell you the problem with looking at it like it's a big gap. Once you process your brain of thinking this is so far unattainable, the journey becomes not even, like, you're not even thinking these steps could happen.

There has to be steps, so from me seeing that those guys are great, they've all done amazing things, I look up to all of them. But I know it's achievable. I had steps in place that I knew, and nobody else could see these steps up to this level of trying to be great. Nobody else sees that. You're the only person that is able to see these small steps. So once I started to see the small steps, I'm like, I'm only going up a ladder. I'm not getting closer.

I know that this is a far maybe thing, but I'm not looking at it like that, because every small thing, I feel like I'm gaining in on it. So you're just focused on the small steps? I was focused on the small stuff. I never, if you focus on the far goal, you'll never achieve shit, man. I'm saying it's funny, but it's the truth. It's like, let's say you're like, oh, I'm going to win an Oscar, and you just started as an actor. Yes, you can say I want to win an Oscar, but what are the small steps you're going to do before achieving?

What are all these stairs all the way to where the fuck this Oscar is at? If you don't look at all these stairs, bro, it's like looking at a mountain without the ladder. You got to find a way to climb this shit. If you don't see, if you don't have no steps or no ladder or nothing, you don't have no way to get to it. I agree with what he is saying in a way, but not really. It's like, I'm going to build my own steps to get in there.

Because he's saying, don't even bother. Yeah, he's saying, don't even bother. That is so far out. Come on, man. You're funny, but you ain't. These dudes is like, he's looking at him like a god. Like, this is, don't look at yourself like that. That's, as if they didn't come from the same thing. Because those gods, those people you're looking up to, when they were 19, 20. Yeah. They probably. You believe that they just were always destined. Exactly. You're not thinking that. You see them in this light of like, oh my gosh, this is that guy.

But you don't see the process. Once you break down what every single great person has done, you start to see they all took these steps. Nothing just was like an overnight thing. I do ask myself that, because through that journey up the ladder, sane people, it goes back to what I was saying earlier. Like, sane people wouldn't bother. Because there's always up the ladder, naysayers, and there's easier money at Red Lobster. Yes. There's easier money at this call center over here selling this. You can scam over here.

Like, there's other things going on. There's easy money everywhere, too. Yeah. That's a thing that most people don't recognize. Some people glorify money than they glorify the actual pursuit of the greatness. Most people will go and grab the money because the money's good, and they will dilute the whole brand and wash it away before it was ever even able to start. Mm-hmm. The whole thing. I've had opportunities. People are like, oh, come and do my music video. Do this. And when I was on the way up and I kept thinking, I was like, damn, if I do all these random music videos.

Yeah, he got a couple thousand dollars for me. He's a drug dealer. He got a couple thousand. I go grab this. But I'm thinking about my image. I'm like, damn, this dude music sucks. If I'm doing this for a quick two thousand dollars and I'm on the way, I'm on the way. I see where my greatness is going. But if I grab this quick money, this might kind of take me off of my pivot. I want to only do special things. I'm not maybe I just kind of don't look at the money right now and I only focus on the main goal.

And that's what I started to change my way of thinking, because at first I was grabbing all the money. I'm promoting everybody's music or video and all this stuff. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm promoting your merch and all this. And I started to see him like, damn, I'm creating these great things and I'm giving these looks to all these other things and not myself. This is not where I envisioned myself to be. I want to not care about all this. I want to put all this in the back of my mind.

I'm not even thinking about money. I'm thinking about where I'm going. I was going to say I was just what you look very healthy. Look like you've been drinking water, drinking water. No, but you look like you've been hitting the gym or lifting weights or something. Now, man, I just I had to say you're filming. Yeah, no. Yeah, we're filming. But also, like, I just had to, like, start even kind of right to like I started to care about what I was putting into my body and not just not care.

I always will continue to be a heavyset guy. I want to be, you know, one of the heavyset legends of all time. But you ain't got to be the biggest dude in the fucking business. I was like, OK, I'm gonna be a healthy, heavyset guy. And once I set my mind, I was like, all right, that's what I'm gonna do. I'll be a healthy, heavyset, too, because I understand what my image is. I know that's what I wanted to be. And I've always looked up to all the great legends that were like heavyset dudes like Chris Farley, entertainer Jack Black.

These are guys are like heavyset guys. I look up to. So I never not wanted to be that. I just knew I was a guy. Both both things can be true. When did you when did you think this? I think like a year ago is just like, all right, every decision doesn't just got to be drinking every night and every decision don't got to be just gorging yourself with food just because you got money now. You know, it's like, OK, you can eat these things and still go hoop at the gym with your boys.

Both things can be true. And that's also OK. A good balance is a healthy lifestyle. I just want to have a good balance with each. So I'm at a weight where I feel like I'm comfortable. I'm good. Looking good. Thank you. I appreciate that. What is next for you in your world? What is what is the big goals, the big aims? You're on set shooting a movie. If we sit down in five years time and it's been a great five years since we last spoke, what happened?

I became a superstar. That is my full. Pursuit right now is now you see you don't see the blonde hair, you don't see the long beard, you don't see the Drew ski that you want. So the social media guy, you see the superstar Drew ski and what he has evolved to become. That is what my next five year goal is and continuously pass that like my next 30 year goal is to be the number one comedian of my generation and be the face of comedy for the next 30 years.

How Eddie Murphy did or how Kevin Hart did or the list could go on. Will Ferrell and all these guys that I look up to. I want to have a run like that. My thing is not just doing one thing for one era. I like to watch people and how they evolve and how they have done different things over their career. When you see Eddie go from the raw stuff and to the movies where he's alongside one of the biggest white actors of that time and he leaves SNL and then he goes and does family movies and all this shit.

And then he does like Harlem Nights with Richard Pryor and he does life with Martin Lawrence and they team up and you see cooking me. I would want to do that same type of stuff for my generation. I want to team up with all the big comedic people of this time. I want to be the face of this generation for comedy. Have you learned to talk big? Because a lot of people don't have the guts to say I want to be a superstar. I want to be the number one in my generation.

Have you learned to talk like that? Is it a useful way of talking or have you always spoken like that? I've always spoke that way. Always. Always. Even from early on days. I always wanted to be more than just good. And I know I say that a lot, but that is a true thing. I've got the video from you 10 years ago and you're saying I'm going to be on the same level as me now. No, I know. 10 years ago. Yeah. But at the time, the bar was set lower than what I have the bar set now.

One of the things that I always wanted to do, I wanted to continue to evolve. So certain things that I've said, then I've noticed that I've grown since then. And I want to break the chains of that. I want to continue to evolve and become this newer person. I want to do the Jamie Foxx and doing the Ray biopic. And you get an Oscar for that. that's amazing. But then turn around and do Django, which is a mixture of comedy and real acting, and then turn around and do a funny comedy movie.

So it's like that's the type of evolving I'm looking to do in my career, where I can continue to just keep transcending. And I, and I didn't learn to talk that way. That is something that was taught to me from my upbringing, just being confident in myself and just knowing who you are. And that might've been because my mom was recording me from three, four, seven years old and continuously on, and always trying to have home videos of me dancing and making my family laugh and all this crazy stuff.

But yeah, these are things that I built confidence over time to become, you know, this person. And if you could rewind the clock and say a couple of words to this Drew Ski on his, in that college dorm room on his own, no friends. What does that guy need to hear? I would say to believing yourself more than you have ever believed in your entire life. You can be iconic. You are great. You are one of one. And to stay consistent, even when the road looks rough and you cannot see the hole at the end of the tunnel, because that's something that most people usually jump off the railroad for.

They can't see the outcome. Once it gets kind of blurry and it's foggy and the nose or like, like I said, my car got repossessed. Most people quit. That's the point. Most people quit. Their girl cheats on them or something bad happens when you, you, you sat on your knees and you prayed all night and you pray, pray, Oh my God, God, please give me this. I'm looking for this. I want this to happen for me. And boom, God starts to shift things. Things start to shift.

And the people, Oh my God, this, I asked him for this. Yeah, I don't. It's because he put you through the trial. You didn't even get through the trials and the tribulations yet. You just, you moved things from your life as soon as you asked for it. And now you're questioning why it happened. It's like, this is, this is what you essentially wanted. This is what you asked for. And most people, they get off the track before it even starts. They can't see the outcome. So they get worried and they just jump off.

It's. And that's what I would tell myself, man, stay to it, stick to it. There's an interesting point here, which is, um, you know, a lot of us, we talk about never quitting, but sometimes you do have to quit, right? Cause like you quit college. I've quit college. And, and there's this weird thing because there's certain things, certain things. Rappers. If you out there and you still wrap in past 30, quit, get the fuck off that mic and get the hell out of that studio. Quit that shit.

So you're right. Sometimes. I agree. No, that's a, some sort is true. Yes. Yes. And there's a hell of a way to wrap the entire conversation. It's interesting because I think it's new. It's everything's nuanced. And when you've got a passion, of course you pursue it. And when, especially when there's evidence. Yeah. But that I wonder in your industry, cause there's going to be a lot of people who are pursuing comedy. And this is the, always the like balancing act. We, I think, you know, I started a podcast and it went well.

So I've got a little bit of like survivorship bias in a way. Like, so the advice I might give to young podcasters is just like, well, just like start it in your kitchen and then put it in and just keep at it for six years. And then. Yeah. But there might've been some advantages that you didn't have. Like, you know, you're not, you know, there might've been some advantages that I'm not aware of. In your case, I go, I looked at you as six years old.

You were funny. Yeah. You were funny at six. I wasn't funny at six. So if, if I tried to, to be you, I would, I objectively would have at least had a harder time if not total failure. So there's almost this weird, like self-awareness component of knowing thyself because I might stay in the studio past 50. If you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Because people like me and you, we, we, we survived, we got there. So we look back down and just go, you know, can consistency is the number one thing.

But somewhere in there, there's like an element of self-awareness and you must get it all the time. You must have people roll up to you and just start cracking jokes. Yeah. I have to have a good fake laugh. I will say because it does get bad. People just want to come up to you and say random shit. Yeah. But no, I do agree with you. You have to have a sense of awareness and your judgment has to be on point because it's not just about staying consistent.

It's about knowing the feeling of this is the thing. So it took me some time with that. It did take me time, but I think most people aren't, they're not okay with sitting down in silence and figuring it out. Most people will say, I'm so confused. I'm, I can't figure out what I want to do. I don't know what I want to do. I have all these great things I want to do. I want to do everything. But they don't never put their phone down. They don't never try to sit with theirself and figure things out.

Nobody tries to remove themselves from all this stuff. That same person will tell you that. Go get higher, get drunk or go and leave and go talk to somebody else. And maybe it hurts for them to do that. And that's the thing that people won't sit with themselves and do. But that is one of the main things that shifted. My entire life was sitting down in silence and figuring out what is it that I want to do. You go through everything you grew up loving to do.

You go through everything that you want to pursue and you figure it out through all that. But until you sit in silence and sit with yourself as the true you, not the you that's high, not the you that's drunk, not the you that just wants to go to a friend and talk shit and go back and forth about, oh, we're so we want to do all this. Shit, no, you got to sit with yourself and figure this shit. I most people don't want to do that and that's cool But that is the key to figuring it out by far Trisky we have a closing tradition where the last guest leaves a question for the next not knowing who they're leaving it for the question left for you if You could make it happen Who would you most want to be like in your next life?

Oh, man That's currently alive doesn't say Michael Jackson why? He's arguably the most iconic individual of all time He achieved real greatness Real greatness of like of all aspects of perfecting a craft He figured out a way to do it all he had gangsters dancing in his music video He changed his persona he Continued to evolve with his career. He went from the kid artist Most people can't go from the kid to the real one and still have success They can't do that. Most people can never do that, bro he created a whole new entity a whole new person and You forgot that he was the Jackson 5 kid you this is a whole new guy.

I Would say it would had to be him for sure. I watched your skit pretending to be a Life in the 1960s where you could get away with just about anything. How was school check? It was good I finally started passing my classes Jackie got a girlfriend It's all worried about selling records You're scaring the boys talking about hit records who made a hit record in this house I'm tired of dancing. You want me to take this belt off fix your face Michael before I fix it for you Joe, can we get ice cream after this?

Some aspects of Joe Jackson my dad had some person It wasn't hard to rip that build-off man, I've seen it before yeah. Oh, yeah. What can people look forward to from you? Where should we point them? What are you working? What's your next big project? Next big project of the collect-and-praise show that's coming out in November. Yeah, me and Mike Epps. It's a show about Mega pastors. I did a mega pastors kid huge and this show is a huge comedic Semi-scripted TV show that'll be coming to Netflix and YouTube.

Okay, so so it is it is between both of us and it is honestly one of the biggest Culture shifting shows of all time bro. This shit is going to be amazing so that that's a big one that's coming the catch with Emma Stone Chris Pine that's coming out and May of 2027 that's a while out and then just more of Drew ski like you're also just gonna see me everywhere TV commercials Movies that we're doing ourself We just got a movie picked up by Netflix.

I can't speak on what it's called And yeah amongst so many other things man, I'm trying to achieve greatness So it's super inspiring for so many reasons. It's inspiring because you're so young But it's also it's inspiring because you're so willing to vocalize your your focus on being truly great And I think that asks of everybody listening. How can we be greater? you know and also considering where you've come from in the Turbulent childhood you had and those were very much stacked against you for numbers of reasons for you to pass your way through that And climb to the very top of your industry with much more room to continue to grow in that you have in 60 70 years you Have probably left on this planet is gonna be unbelievable to watch and you're a good human being.

Thank you Which I respect tremendously, so we're all gonna be cheering for you and thank you so much for being here It's been a great to meet you man big fan of your show. You do really well with everything If You're running a business people have probably told you to use AI or get left behind and I get that urgency Still AI doesn't fix a messy business it exposes one because AI can only work with the information it can see So if you ask AI something about your business about stock or sales or customers or about your team that information needs to be connected To the AI to be useful.

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