Building Defense Technologies to Protect Democracies | Torsten Reil, Helsing

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Treat hiring as an operating system, not an occasional task. This week, define the one role that would most raise your team’s performance, create a weekly pipeline review, and set a clear performance standard for the role. A strong recruiting pipeline also makes difficult performance decisions easier: when you know you can replace a position quickly, you are less likely to tolerate persistent low performance or cultural drag.

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Torsten Reil, co-founder of Helsing, explains why Europe needs to build sovereign defense technology and how AI, autonomy, and mass production are changing warfare. He also shares Helsing’s founding conviction, its strategy of pairing simpler hardware with superior software, and the people systems used to build a high-performance company.

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You on this can argue whether this is correct or No, but it is almost correct and If you are in the tank If so, it is even more could be worse . If you find yourself keeping in the tank If so, you on the other side any of the existing For the individual To all Priority goals Is one of. You know that Now with drones of goals much to find out It's easy. if they Be a little farther away, So small drones or large drones to them very quickly destroyed can be done .

so I It appears that The Age of Tanks maybe it's over has been and Artillery Of the system as well. If artillery System 40 to 50 kilometers away sneak attack try to do is doing it, even if You can use a drone found out their can and those From a drone on can attack Are. And again, they are high Priority goals with Are. so, I think that We are at war Just a big looking at the changes Are. And me It appears that last 18 months in Ukraine I have those lessons quite Clearly Have come forward.

And I think that people now understand them Are engaged. Russian troops so soon to Who is killing? Is all this Is it a drone? This is a drone. Yes, this capability is, first of all, They are also equipped with ISR drones. to view from and Then the second thing, FPV drones on them or larger strike drone attack To do. Wait, these two What's in a drone Is there a difference? So, FPV is basically small drones, Quadcopter are those who most of the time from the remote controlled like a plane manually controlled by is done.

and strike Drones often long distance travel and HX2 like, which Our drone is Often they are AI- controlled There are. You tweeted a which had been done It was interesting, and Maybe it was that dinner which is connected to We have had a few years did it before, where our There was a heated debate And I think that went away from there was that we were a- hatred of others do and then Now we become friends Have gone. But You said that Your 100,000 drones in Europe to ground warfare Can stop.

what does this mean and why? You Why so Do you agree? I think that It is almost a year I said it earlier and I for this a little trouble had fallen into because obviously as it considered inflammatory had gone, but I still think that's how it is . I think that at your limit Too much In numbers strike Being a drone Whatever you resistance He gets it, he I think that It is quite strong Is. And the reason for this that is if you tank on the other side They take away, to suppose You have 3,000 There are tanks, 100,000 strike drones that are Without GPS navigate which can Search for the target You can, obviously tanks as attention to focusing It happened, I think that only a few in those hours Destroy the tanks I will do it.

From this lot to defend It is difficult. If you are the second If you were on the side, you in a country like this attack want to who has your There are 100,000 drones, So how do you do that do? I think that This is very It is difficult. And So the tanks using extremely difficult will happen because They immediately become a target Will go. You maybe like that of vehicles Not used Would like to do. You probably autonomous systems, small autonomous of systems to use Would like, and native virtually all of this It happens.

So, now You have a drone with autonomy is . Now you have autonomous of fighter jets with autonomy comes has been, and now land you own systems, especially Even with robots autonomy comes Has been. So, autonomous Your drone What does it mean? So is this all AI? By Is it powered? So be it. Yes. At present You have a lot There is something, especially in Ukraine, many The drone is still remote control Let's go from. So , near you thousands of skilled drone operator Are. however, This is a large scale But it will not happen, especially the West Not in, and Not in NATO.

If you really of drones to use on a large scale want to do, So them Autonomous form You will have to fly from. you want that a human being of theirs Do a survey, See what they are doing, and Stay in the loop, But the drone By the AI ​​itself controlled and being autonomous Needed elder On the scale Up to the drone This is the way to reach The only way is, and it practical to work as The same also The only way is because we thousands and thousands drone to operators trained will not be able to .

We have them controlled of AI to Needed. What This has not been resolved yet is there a problem or You have not yet It is not known have put? I would say that This is largely is resolved. I think that First of all, to the drone terminal For guidance workable necessary to make which was the original basically the last 2 kilometer or more than that work, and Then all of these coordination between to sit software Had to make it. And now It is almost complete This way being autonomous going.

Then From, always a With the human being. I a few years happened earlier back to the conversation I want to go When we Daniel I am having dinner Were. basically what you gave me offered was, that was Now you are at war in the field to humans will not be able to keep because it only about this I will be who more Material preparation Can do. I think that We have freedoms one called Forge Discussion on the book which was I twice I have read it.

and original in form it United States of America that is about They are their Industrial and commercial power to the people Purchased by those going products to War from the making Creating Content and opponents more than on a large scale to produce are changing into . Yes. and this led to war and balance to on your side help to Found it. I felt that yours is also the same The approach was that this is what we Have to do it. of the future of wars to the winners on a large scale Drones, more weapons and every cheese production Have to do it.

I think that This war of materials will be. it machines vs. of machines There will be war. The reason for this is that that autonomous The crowd, as We call it , coordinated methods take off from of drones Numbers consecutive is increasing and of war in the field of humans lasting a lot being difficult going. And Again, Ukraine I am already This is the situation. And you really of war in one in the field human form entry into Can't and very long time not alive until can stay, whether You are a vehicle be in or Lonely.

alive very hard to stay Is. This situation to get worse is going Because again, At this time, you attackers Drones are usually from the remote controlled There are. One times when they be autonomous If you go, it be even more dangerous Will go. They Drones are usually of being jammed don't care We do. Uh, FPV such for Therefore it is because they fiber optic cable, fiber Connected to glass There are. elder For drones, because they already are autonomous and they are GPS About this to worry about no need would have been because They have GPS Free Navigation would have Is.

those goals can detect and once When you them Autonomous form to do this from giving permission If so, they may be attached Are. Wait, explain. That you from jamming How to save yourself. I understand this Did not come. So, jamming The problem is twofold Is. First of all, If you are your remotely control the drone controlled want to do, So you have a video signal need of It happens and Usually war The field of jam goes, so You video Signal back Not available. So, that means that the drone Autonomous form take off from is required or put it on a cable to be connected to I want it and now This is what is happening.

and the second Problem GPS There is jamming. almost complete Front Line GPS It's jammed, so You can use your GPS of the receiver not using Can. so, navigate you to do and this One to know Different way It will have to be found that Where are you. Or So you can put it somewhere with the human do what it to identify tries where they are, like an airborne ship pilot does, or you Do it with AI do the same thing to work Tries. and they The algorithm now are very strong .

they are of the day in the light, at night I, you know There, in the snow, Even so on deformed ground also work , which is obvious as a sphere with effect It happens a lot. So, that technique already existing Is. So, this Drones are better and keep getting better Have been. with and Yes, if you battlefield to humans in I want to keep it, So I think that it is very being difficult Going to do. And I think that This is going to be the trend and I It seems that people feeling this that of war in the field to humans It is unethical to send will be where you know that they not going to escape Are.

But with Yes, you again on the territory capture will be. To you of the area Defense and rescue Have to do it. Therefore, you robot on the ground is needed. If you are where you are now We are, from that Proceed, then I think that We go there There are. I am about this want to talk I mean, you are right now kiss to Helsing running the way Are. But I think that First of all you This needs to be known that you company to begin Why the decision Did.

We you a brief can give details Are. You Gaming You came from, right? You have a company half a billion Sold for dollars. You are your next Angel for work Investing Was doing. What you knew that You are your first After Sales another company going to start Are you? When I Natural motion and left Zynga, So I don't I thought I was a and started the company I will do it. I thought that did you do it or not ? I didn't. No. To be honest, I I was very tired.

sincerely I will say that I I was very tired. I've been doing this for 15 years was doing, and I very tired Was. I'm fine in being more time Didn't feel it, maybe 3 month or more even more, and I thought that my energy She is back. But then I In thinking this Maybe 2 or 3 years It seemed, "Really In, me again something starting from have to do it." and sincerely Let me say, if I, my two co- Founders, Comet and Not from Niklas If I had found I don't do this gets.

especially Defense on In the area we whatever you are doing, He is very complicated . I mean, a founder For being, a loner being a founder already feeling lonely He gets it done. But the defense In the area, Companies are very Are complex. at the same time you I have a lot of about things to think in Does matter. Obviously, you from technology had to deal with Is. To you Politics, Export Law and many others from things had to deal with is, therefore, a founder's All of this in fact a lot to do It is difficult.

So, when I His two co- From the founders got it, then we all The independent had thought of that in Europe one New defense company Is required. How is this conversation Has it started? That Time, I in Munich Niklas's in the company had invested, which in Europe some old AI for Prime problems work on solving Was getting it done. And I protect More about wanted to know, because I No investment did but me about it more in no knowledge Was. and someone else I Gundbert to meet with advised that Time McKinsey Aerospace in and to protect Were responsible.

And we are from Berlin in a cafe meet and our It went well and 30 Within minutes, We thought that Let us do this together Starting a company Should be done. From Niklas went to meet those whose This was also the opinion And then, just a few In days, we Hellsing begins decide to Did. And this very firm There was faith and ever any doubt Wasn't there either. And It is still the company There is a feeling of. I think that The company is still very fast Moving forward And this is quite a lot until the founder's strong belief Is based on.

what we do his references I know in that we have something special in the regions need to go Is. Wait, I'm just strong belief no further than wants to grow because the year you making conversation Yes, which one is this Is it the year? Uh, that's late 2020. From the beginning of 2021 It was till. Okay, let me know that time a European Defense technology From the company More unpopular About the company I don't understand . Yes, that is very It was unpopular. We have March 2021 of the company in was established And that is our social circle popular in Was not there.

From this with banks many kinds of problems Happened. It is evident Now it's all fine has been, but At that time it was enough was unpopular and raise money It was difficult, like we didn't Did. Wait, Wait. banks with problems Happened? There is risk in this and some people Bank accounts closed have become that which our time Close to the company Were. And uh, I wasn't, uh, But I know is, uh, company's Another close To the person, uh, getting credit trouble in Hui, credit in meeting had trouble because we connected to defense Were.

So, and and still the same The situation is. I mean, It is completely did not disappear Is. I think that of ESG Requirements still are, and At that time, a democratic of the country of society to protect For banks pornography, gambling and of smoking considered the same used to go. because it Forms of weaponry is seen in was, and weapons always bad There are. And I am talking to people about this from the feelings of Sympathy I keep it. just when You delve into this think from, So it is obvious understand that this I don't come.

And this is why that we company Started. Us I thought that if we Starting a company If you will not do it, then No one else either Will do. We 2014 in particular in Crimea attack on and to take possession of of Europe after feedback worried about were where I It seems that we All really don't think that wanted it to be something big It was the beginning of. Not all of us wanted it to be be true, but If you see that Our ambitions What were these, so was very clear that something else should happen Was going to.

And what about us were concerned that You know, Europe has its to protect and In other countries Other on the territories Too much going to depend on Had been. And you Do you know, In America Anduril and Palantir-like The companies were Which AI, cheap Hardware and abundant quantity Hardware in But much more to pay attention Wally Defense The companies were and large scale of construction on thoughts they have Was not there. And So we felt that We have to do this will happen, and we to prove that It will be that we In Europe this make something of the kind can, Although a little of different tastes with.

and so We started it Did. of defense Money in 2021 for gather a lot It was difficult. like anyone VC talk to us Don’t want to do wanted, and In the end we don't even try of. So we only individuals, family from offices raise money, and then we were lucky that Daniel, You know, with your own money 100 long ago million euros put it on, and They accelerate the company carry on from Our help in that, as I am your people's always about I keep reading And they say, " Yes, and they 100 from Primo Materials million dollar Investment was received." Like, it's their I had my own money.

Yes. This is really very a lot early a strong bet Is. this Ukraine before the attack on A matter of. Yes. Yes. First a seed It was round, wasn't it? Did you have eight or ten million or nothing like that Was it collected? Yes, I think that is March '21 in this eight or eight million euros was . And he Was it in the round? Yes, he is was also in the round . And then you guys had this conversation where he asked, "Well, you how much Do you need it?" Yes, about three after a month or Something like this.

Yes, and your The answer was Ideally 100 million euros. You are on that number How to reach? sincerely I will say that I someone to No special budget created. But I felt That this is correct. Me It seemed that it was right Is. And almost all of it Funding Round is true for No? Like it's you depends on that you can make it How to see because very C things, you You know, one Very much in the company quickly changing Are. an accurate Number address applying a lot It is difficult, But Daniel I am as much believed Jitana Gubert Niklas and me Was nearby.

And me It seems that he same as well having faith person with Is. There is a lot of it in It doesn't take time and then believe would have been very deep Is. and then from this May everything be easy goes. From this All conversations It becomes easier . We have a deal to reach the for actually no struggle Had to do it. it be very quick Went. You give him a From the investor Much like a co- founder's Kind of believes. Yes, I think that he is a From the investor Much like a co- founder's is much closer because he from the very beginning with company Used to be.

I Daniel to his about the idea from knowing in already knows Was. For him this a large commitment that he was public appearance seen from and this kind of company Invest in. And obviously that the company Starting 11 only a month later Ukraine War splashed out and of the people change feelings gone and now this It has become easier And many more people Defence Sector investing in Have been. You Just know that America and Both Europe in, but that Time it is very Was unpopular. I think that This is such a thing whose I am praises I am the founder firm of this of faith Thoughts and me feels good that you are like I….to you said this before I have heard it.

It is like this is as limited as factor that causes There is no capital. This is really ambition Is. Yes. And one more thing that I have used this In podcasts many involved told people . I them encouraged try to do I do that they Your companies stop selling to Give. Yes. it 100% as is. Yes, your whole The thing is that 100% of your company's revenue in million Stop selling and then in Italy buy a house and Become an investor. It's like us and people is needed.

We have In finance enough people Yes, friend. us and people which is needed you are talking nonsense Are. Yes, and so I absolutely I agree. My this is gospel that in Europe Often this That's why it happens Because Europe to retire a lot for Good continent is because you One in Tuscany can buy a house are and you Scandinavia flying there from Can fill. You about 2 hours or even less time I reach there You go and you A wonderful life Can live. And When some of your friend do this would have started If so, then it socially be acceptable goes.

But This social form acceptable from Not present You should a successful founder In form of retired Yes and one more starting a company Can. my friend who Your companies sell to, I'm joking about it I say, but There is a lot of it in It is true. And They say, " acquisition tax taken." I It seemed, "This Sad to hear." yes of course. Entrepreneurship the world's most Good game, And you yourself get out of the game and you take standing on the edge They happen. Yes.

Why? to write a check For? No, I agree am. I mean Yes, for me it is It's easy to say because I your previous The company was also sold Was. and maybe Very early, Although I Its been a long time I am doing. And As I I said, I had some Thought for the time being I was the second Starting a company I will not do Because Companies making it tiring is going to happen, and you know Sometimes, you to your battery to recharge would have needed Is.

But one the time you do If you do it, then I think that People from this are also afraid that correct them Not a mission will get. or this Also, you know Yes, they know It will do that the second Company first not as successful Is. And this one There is risk. You Do you know, I also have this Thought about it. What if the whole thing Doesn't work? But, you know Yes, I think that you have this only take risks will be. I just now of cognition Talk to Scott Wu that, and you know They are on it every kind of money Are throwing.

You know, And it's very big The thing is, like one million people him a person or the entire company In form of to buy trying to Are. and his The whole thing is something It's like, "Yeah, But this is my the biggest for have the opportunity. He It says, if I tried If not, I not with myself I will be able to stay. Like, I failed I am happy to be And then he said , I am very are you angry I will go, I mean, You know, He is very competitor is, but at least At least I'm someone else of chess someone on the chessboard like a pawn completely out of the game to withdraw from I want and he It says, like this any person tolerate can't.

Yes, no, no, Absolutely. And With Helsing Same thing is true. We probably did 4 and 1/2 A year ago, the company to begin just a few months This decision first It was assumed that we with full force will move forward and Either we are completely to something in a way will destroy or very successful will be, but we anything in between Don’t want to do wanted to. And what about us doing this right now that we In fact Fully gassed to step on Let's try Because we are a such a company want to make which are actually matters in yes and we we The company never Will not sell.

I have this about a funny story and then we Back to Hellsing will come, but Apple Founder of 11 Adam, that chair were sitting on the But you just sat down are and He had a funny story Told. They to the company made public, this About 28 billion Or something like that. for about 200 days Every day, stock just down and down It just kept falling and He said, It is about 3 fall to billions Went. They said," it is either one hundred billion dollars or the company of then nothing .

"And then He borrowed taken as if he six billion were in debt and stock buyback do and then in that business About 60 billion Earn. He said, I am three billion dollar company not running am. It is either a large company is or anything Not there. And me These small not playing games I have been. "As such this is what to do The only way Is. I'm giving you this of podcasts Presenter Sponsor, About the ramp tell me I like. I Recently, SpaceX About this read a lot I have been.

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That is deel.com/centra. Okay, so what in Europe He was lacking, Identity, right? So that this mission It becomes that we a European Defense Tech company's There is a need. So Mission, Resolute by faith comes first or firm belief, Before the mission Do you know? mission comes first Is. and the mission is Our of democracies to protect. And I always say I mean, it's always a big Good luck. I always like this It seems that we Every month your talk to new people we do and we always from them Says, you You know, someone Work in the company to do a really great luck Is.

at least We feel like that Where the mission is It is so easy that We our's of democracies Protect yourself. We here for it Are. and many more Second To companies, you You know, the time had to spend and someone Offsite or On retreat have to go so that someone like Mission of the paragraph can come along with But ultimately all Agree. And We have such Not there. This is it Our of democracy to protect. And at this time we are doing that But we point out Can.

We We know that we Deploy your with drones What are you doing , For example, in Ukraine. and all this Makes it easier. Obviously, we never thought Ukraine was war so It will be done soon . But now when We are deployed, So it's very solid Is. This mission is a the real thing Is. and then firm Faith comes that this kind of of companies There is need. And them to Europe to be made in should and Making Hellsing Another reason for It is also that we one in Europe Big company wanted to make .

We sincerely See, you know Spotify has a As a beacon , for an example As, you You know, one Big company which you make You can, you Do you know, global Ambitions are but In fact global There is also an effect. And this is America and other countries other major of companies Is with me. And what about us something similar too wanted to make . We show wanted you to can do this And you protect it such as excessive regulated Taxes in the region can Because, you You know, very people older than Do not form a company under the pretext of getting Let's search.

Often these regulations, bureaucracy, Sufficient lack of funding There are. And any of these Not true. These All these are excuses. This about your a brilliant is the line where I like it very much I came where you said that these excuses are like people regulatory environment, to the tax environment taking a lot more Are worried. actually the thing that missing, that is Big ambitions aggressive of the founders . Just aggression It is missing. Absolutely. These strategic ambitions Are. You get this It will have to be thought that what you become want and you have to become bigger and then you really aggressive It has to happen.

And I think that very much in Europe Founder from Own Lose aggression have been, but to get it back It's easy. To you Just a role model is needed. Like we use Spotify a role model in this way using and when you would have found them If so, you know that how is goodness It looks and everything beneath it There is some failure. it is aggression and ambition how much difference from It has to, it underestimated Has gone. This More about Tell me. I think that 95% of a company's success in this it occurs.

Balance All, as I Said, these are excuses. Therefore, regulation It doesn't matter Keeps. Yes, Sure, Germany Starting a GmbH in in doing more time Seems like Whom care for? Yes, You need to notary Have to go near. who's Care? I mean, It's like this, you You know, we starting a company something to do more days Apply it. it any problem Not there. We and Second defense Companies that subject to the rules Yes, they are our System Key Certification Ability, Export Law and many others of things are in relation.

Privacy and classified from information tackle one Startup's in comparison of the bureaucracy In the case of a hundred times more It's hard, and you Yet, from this Can deal with. Yet it still gives us Does not slow down . You just need company to properly to install will be. You are probably the most people who disagree are one of the whom I I know. do you always Stay like this from Are? You said this Talk to me first It has also been found out. And I'm on this to consider trying to am.

I don't I think that I am like this I am able to do it. shown here Has gone. Yes, We have more There is regulation. who the hell cares? making excuses Stop. As that this of the founders one for It is a superpower. When I say this I am so obviously as I not offensive am. I just like it Not when people making excuses Are. more more more These things are very are quick . You just need people of a group of which is needed one Come along and kind of excuses to each other from Strengthen it.

And then they have a satisfied Life happens, and then the sadness The thing is that our near such a continent is where we have Breakout Not companies are because in people of aggression There is a shortage. But Again, I very optimistic am. quick There are solutions. You just need some very much aggressive Companies which should Tell me what the rest All basically mailing it and I It seems that very There are people from. I and Daniel said this talked about . the idea that in the world How many primes Are there movers?

You You know, they People who use that technology inventing the whose We all use have been, are building Are. Companies, You already know , power law all around us rule over things We do. And this it is the same as that they are very not much Are. and if near you There are handfuls, So you really the whole country, the whole direction of the world can change, whatever happens. When you have 100 raised millions, So you made it to do Where to start of So what The idea was that," Hey, we're the same are going to do what you just said Was that cheap, Simple hardware and then all innovation software Comes in.

" Have you used this about so Did you think about it? In fact, most Big insight Me from Gunbad we met when It was said that we of record programs go for There are. which that a little time For the company It was almost impossible and a lot of risk It was full. of record Program What happens, Explain. such a record The program is which is an official government The program is whose budget usually very growns up, And where you ideally stick out want so that you have someone other company's through sub- as a contractor to work in instead of the government direct connection with yes.

and in that breaking into It is very difficult. and at that time Most Companies such can't do were, because money to you would have received was, and you got some revenue and some Proof Point to generate need of It used to be, you You know, enough Quick; And of record of the program do this with It is almost impossible, because it to receive And for this eligibility to receive a lot of time in Seems like But because our had 100 million , we thought, "Okay Yes, now we are can take risks Are.

and if the first two or three Don't work If so, we say that our Still close enough There is money left. " And we felt did that defense The company quickly That's what to make from The only way Is. And so, We Eurofighter electronic of war for upgrade a large of the program applied for . it What is? In Germany. So, it electronic of war Capabilities Basic radar as to find out are around, of the radar types of To find out, this in case anti-aircraft radar, which allows you to to shoot down Let's try, of their intention detection, etc.

and to Europe The situation and more It had become difficult, because in them Many radars from Software- be determined had gone, whose meaning that they Originally shaped Are changing. And Therefore, the old Methods now actually work Were not doing it. And we're an AI- based approach, intense learning-based of perspective who came along of those radars to explain the capacity of receive again Did. And this one Big tech It was a jump. And what about us Your friend Saab together with that to the program in winning Successful, you You know, one Against.

Many There were other associations. And We are the dark horse were, but we have won. how likely Was? I don't know, but Our failures to be likely very There was more, But we have done this did because We thought we were tolerate this can because our at the nearby bank There was a lot of money. And this company's 2 of the installation year and 4 months It happened later. Me It appears that from the inception record until the program In reaching we Was the fastest. Oxford In his last Work, Natural Made in Motion You have helped the work In Let Loose How much did you bring?

I think that a lot of it Some teams Construction and funding raising and perhaps with natural motion found Priority of the pattern was recognized when I company sold, where I company If I leave, I enough by itself Was happy. Me I think you know Yes, in the end, all something quite good remained; But its the latter two or in three years I just saw some of those on things Consider started, you Do you know, I company How did you make it? Especially when I Angel Investment started, then I realized that I really in Natural Motion I have had many such things go wrong those who better me do it the way Was Needed.

I performance to the management handle like that did not do as I have to Was Needed. I hired seriously I did not take it, just good to the engineers to hire Thought about it. And I did this also about did not think that Your leadership About the team How to think, Your leadership How to move the team forward Increase, right time But right Executive How to bring it. And in NaturalMotion this It worked, but We probably have many to things in a better way Could have done it.

And So, I It appears that pattern of recognition We use Taxes in NaturalMotion found, especially the first few In years. But it is also true Helsing is now that is at the point where it's my Also one for unknown There is area. The company is very She has grown up. I think that We have approximately There are 1,300 people who Somewhere from NaturalMotion much larger Is. And so, We now have things About this First from principles or like this with people think by doing will be who gain experience Have done.

Daniel like large companies build the Have already done. And The second thing is this that the three of us of the founders different passes There was talent. You You already know, I have already starting a company had done and he Had sold it. I think that I knew that How to Fund is collected . Gunther Senna and Various forces was very close to , processes I also understood, Political procedures also well I used to understand. And Niklas's Background AI And Engineering which was We have such to the contract to win First of all Should have.

This only The reason was that I asked this question Asked. This is something It was like, "You From the Founder record until the program the fastest How did you reach there? "" Like, you How did you find out that You are just one by realization of the problem can solve Yes, I think is, and especially But Niklas and Gumpert has, uh, You know, emphasized this . Gumpert received a matter and firm believed that This is for us one of the records really worthwhile There was a program.

And Niklas got a had intuition that we make it different from others how in a manner Can do. to Niklas that intuition Where did you get it from? uh not me Address. I think that it is simply a Yes, I mean Yes, he already this area itself I was, uh, in my from the previous company with. Uh, so His Previous company already this Was getting it done? uh, this legacy For Prime AI problems solve the Was being. And Therefore, he has this kind of things of already There was a feeling.

And Then, if you Gumpert's insight connecting with records that are which of Program work Let's do, uh, this Honestly one become a blueprint It's been said that we are now almost everything How to see . Uh, we're like record Program trying to find which do grow up where we think We contribute Can. something like this which is different. It is basically Our There is a perspective. What You give me a can give examples Are? Okay, one more Example is, autonomous fighter aircraft which we just made Have been.

this is called CA1 said Europa goes and we There is a lot of it in invested money, it knowing that Such in Europe There was nothing and We thought that this a large category is going to happen And then we are in it make some contribution Can. And The reason for this was that that we have a Scientist Start experimenting which was done in one with us Great Chief Scientist Antony Board were from Meta with us were connected where He also worked on Facebook AI Research co- led Was.

And we have 2 years ago myself a task for Determined was done so that out of visual range beyond the war one for superhuman fighter pilot be prepared Could. So, like this The war of... Wait, you guys still putting it out Keep it. Wait, Superhuman? is this again Is there one thing? This is a superhuman fighter pilot Is. superhuman fighter pilot, But there is no There is no pilot. No, it's an AI . So, this is a neural There is a network. Ok. And, this scene beyond the limits Have taken.

So, of air warfare most advanced Type. This original in the sky in form It's like chess . You have, you Do you know, There are planes, common In fact, these two versus two are, each other Quite far from. it fighter jets are . And they follow the radar use . They are various types of radar using Are. They turn the radar on turning on and off Are. They of missiles use, It is evident. To you aggressive, defensive It has to happen. You need to know those of missiles drain energy try to do which will have to be done following you Have been.

To you to realize this When should you reconnect Can. it It is very complicated. It's almost ballet Looks like. In seeing this It is quite beautiful, In fact, when You can make it strategic from the point of view Let's see. And, Us pilots, Active pilots told by It has been said that this of air warfare It is the last stronghold. You know, Nothing! Has a human ever the sky near In circumstances to understand, what kind of of weapons to use Yes, guess what to put that capacity space Will you be able to take it?

But All this is rubbish. Actually, AI is very is better. his The reason is that it to the search space from humans much more in a better way Explore Can. human being It is known as books and Flight School learns from, But this search to the space Explore can't. So we are the same adopt methods which DeepMind has AlphaGo and AlphaStar used for Had done. In this We reinforcement of learning using Are. We have a very high performance The simulator is which is 20 to 25,000 times real time runs at speed Is.

By this we reinforcement With learning to the search space even better In a proper way Explore Can. Its It means that we give training Can. Uh, a neural network, you You know, one active fighter Better than a pilot It is possible, Like us, we regularly Eurofighter of the pilots flight against fills, For example, or Rafale pilots, or Gripen pilot. so do you your autonomous of fighter jets With human- operated test against Were you driving? Yeah, so, we're going to do it Simulation only I used to do it.

Previously, it was only Our simulation was, and We won. Then, This is an official The simulator was But a large from one of the prime . and then, uh, and Then last year, We have a real fighter jet flew, and we Baltic Sea Saab over Gripen Blown away. and when I say that We, our AI did, and one Other Gripen Hawaii against in the war complete aircraft take control taken, which man- Was controlled. And so, we Baltic Sea three airstrips above war scenarios done and proved at that time did...and this, By the way, that point was also where we ...we realize It actually happened that I am something big has been, where We thought that this actually work Does.

And this Real Work in the world Does. And Therefore, we System developed Did. This said the centaur goes, and now It also comes in flocks in working Capable, by the way, Only two vs. two No. Now our Pass Fighter of planes There is a herd. Yes, so this swarm of drones Is. Now we fighter of planes forward on the herd Have increased. Yes, and this In fact thoroughly Scales. And it is extremely is powerful, And this gives us I believed it that raw Manned fighter to the planes in the future deploy very difficult is going to happen because your Encountering the supernatural having capabilities autonomous fighter of planes It will be from the herd.

And this science It is not a story. uh whatever it is at this time has been, one of his Overview, only Defense AI itself No, rather in general In AI, it is things your over thought would be faster Are. you know Yes, old in days, like 10 years ago or Even before that, like everything Always five years Was far away. People always say that were, "it's almost five years away "Whether it be someone Specific Treatment have a related search or robotics Related searches. Now It all came to a close Is.

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But, from this We believe It happened that we In this area should be, and In this area should be Because With Prime working usually But very slow It happens. As, We are prime partnership with could do and You could have asked, " are you a autonomous fighter jet want to make Are? We provide AI do, you uh, You know, Jet provided We do." a lot of time in It would have happened. so, We visited Munich one outside of plane Manufacturer company's to acquire decided to, who himself has Runway, hangar and planes of construction to the fullest potential, and your own fighter jet created, which is now It is called CA1.

And then, in that Corner Technology of the component Centaur Applied. and this Like, this next first time in a year going to fly Used to be. And what about us to show that want you to in the range of really from everyone can get ahead Are. We are about this They were talking, I, you and Michael Dell Something a month ago Dell at the house of this talking about Were living. You We need this of acquisition told about Was. and then Michael said, " Do we make it can come to see "And I said, "I with you I will go, but I do not want that you are Michael's hit the plane drop it as soon as we are coming in Are.

"But You gave us this Fun rules About this It was said that even though this one Autonomous jets Having a fighter jet going, then also do you A man in this Don't have to keep it? So ultimately, no um but right now, Yes. Yes, I mean is that we we so We have um I think that Mojave of the desert There is no benefit, For example, where you those to the planes can fly and completely be autonomous can Because if it crashed If it happens, then It makes no difference It doesn't matter.

it You know, It fell into the sand goes. if you , you know, where we fly If you fill it out, you Over Bavaria crashed which become that is not ideal Is. so We have one on the plane is human and Alternative forms to um, before of the prototype For. Ultimately, um, This is going to change Yes, obviously. and the pilot is a Safety Pilot Yes, just like that like you have happens, uh, Security Driver, you You know, Waymo and other companies the beginning of for rollout.

The truth is that you currently have This is regulation And you have a of such a person Needed which its to the design Gotta change, right? Is? No. No, We designed without changing the adjust it one of doing I have found the way. It's just the same, it's The same system is . And by the way, this is a And the example is where you, uh, you Do you know, of the regulations EU or Europe or in this case beat Germany Can. Uh, But you from this one to deal with looking for a way Are.

And from this This is how to deal with There is a way. Your near one like this The pilot is seated. What Is he behind? He where is? No, they are ahead Are. Okay, so you The description right now He did a lot Interesting. You said that this Chess in the sky is like and Then you said that This is ballet. So, way you short-term to the future See, he imperative form being immoral going. I of morality to know about You want, you those who are making his morality how to Let's see.

battlefield to the human being in It is unethical to send will happen because You are surrounded by drones Will go. the sky to the pilot in also send It would be unethical. Is this the same? Yes, it's the same thing Is. I mean Yes, two of its There are reasons. First, autonomous of systems to use More Is powerful. They will be better Because this Use Cases AI in humans more than He is intelligent. And second, its As a result, someone out It is unethical to send will happen because you believe that that will eventually the other side They are also near systems Must be.

what you tell It is possible that you those who are making his morality how do you See and you other people's to explain How do you see, You know, basically Weapon making or new defenses on making restrictions Placement You have this a lot about I have thought about it. I just want to know this I am that your mind What is in this about your What are you thinking? You the company to which are making, his construction The morality of. built-in the goal being You should that in general loss of life and property reduce and ideally set it to zero Bring it.

And loss of life and property to zero How to bring is anyhow not struggle for Happen. and this is The cause is prevention so is important . And this is the place is where I am I want to say, This is a very The old argument is, But it still always in front It comes that people don't understand this that you have other for the side valuable or to receive not a worthy goal to become in stopping to be able to Needed sincerely To say, we never give it in Ukraine on a large scale deployed systems to to install established for did not, which that right now our It is nearby.

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And Then, this is the place where especially But now, and In the future this to get worse is going to, you of autonomy to use Needed because you to humans in tanks, fighter in planes or of the infantry field in form Do not send in Can. This is the original The subject is. and then There is another category where you have your to the software to deploy about the way to think in need another As a society We have autonomy in the matter of Your Hardware and of the software happy with the deployment Are.

So, what We call a machine life and death to decide on agree to If he is a human is more accurate than ? Or are we a society? say as There is, no, one The machine should never This decision is not Should be taken. And These are legitimate conversations Are. It's any Easy Answer Not there. Because people are different on There are values. And I worry about this It is said that when We have Ukrainian before the war started the company It was, then this Lots of discussions Used to be.

especially Among journalists any of us Our capabilities and we whatever you are doing, About that in asking not interested use to have. everyone Always a killer Robots and autonomy and Our Red lines and whatnot We have a loop any human in is, about He asked whose We are always happy- Khushi replies Were. This bothers questions to ask Were not there. These our thoughts are at the root of. However, now no one This is not even a question Would ask. And me I don't know exactly Why, but any The journalist Never question us did not ask that We are on the moral side About this how are you thinking Are.

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so, It is not that We are from those hate those whom our Problems with the mission Is; I am their disagree with the viewpoint Am. I think that is if you this first from principles If you understand then You have this kind of prevention of Needed but We the people don't dislike Do. Often People just have peace want. We I also want peace Are. we think that there is no war letting it happen and to war by not inviting Peace to you to achieve Will happen.

But I It seems that your strong belief something in Interestingly, this The fact that you are extremely You disagree, you Opposing stance in adopting Very comfortable. Like you did this The company then started that when everyone else It was said that this Very Is unpopular. I told Daniel about this from asked and he said that he is a German who are such a Defense in the country building a company whose post-war Full identification again I am no longer there. Yes. You your Cultural expectations to break even Ready.

Yes. Yes, I I see this And I think that in Germany still the same and you know Yes, we have a European company In form of established Is. London and Paris and many more In other countries our elders There are offices, but our the biggest Office of Germany is in Munich and German society a pacifist society is. And this I think that of reality right now in facing taking a lot of time which is the last been for a few years Used to be. Where I think that to the Germans It has been realized that the struggle right now not over Yes, the struggle is still also continues and they are getting closer are and may be that they are again come closer And this is from that country very uncomfortable for who used to think that those days are over It's done.

But this is the country who also has Now in the world The most fruitful- blooming new protect Ecology There is a system. So now some of those Viewpoints reconsider is being done And this is the country too whose protection The budget may now the most growing which has been in the past 52 billion a year more than the euro 153 billion in 2029 It is done. Me It seems that this increased again to 180 over a billion It has been done and If you are about this I think that this very big If there is an increase More troops possibility of Not there.

so Most of the money is new On devices going to be spent Used to be. Ok, So we on materials Let's come back. your whole point that the winner going. Our from opponents more Creating Content be able to . So, and if I still do not I think that I to your goal Ways to get to completely I have understood. So what about your formed by going Hardware as simple as possible should be and Then you software all in innovations to balancing Are. is this still original Is it a theory?

The idea is that you like this of hardware Build which is quite good Yes, and she has so much large number Build that into Finally, you have on a large scale economies but with only any to the opponent to defeat Also, the ability only pure of mass I through. And you get it How to do it It is that you on a large scale to produce be able to Needed To you on a large scale for production to design requires, But then Important Naturally, you Software Key which is required The system most Smart first to make and to coordinate be able to; But you are ideal in form of hardware Many more complexity as well absorbing which are usually But, you know Yes, these would have been excellent are those who Legacy Prime Your software I will make it, so that you to the hardware Can make it simple.

This means that Your sensors are simple and you are very Good AI of algorithms through a lot Greater accuracy receive tax Can. this also It may have been yours yours Manufacturing little tolerance It's big and you of software to a large extent through control and Accuracy achieved who can do restart the system Calibrate from Can do. And This is what we do And it is very works well Yes, but you It is an integrated As the system I will have to think . And once when you would have done that If so, you are older On the scale Manufacturing Can do.

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It is evident, way you to the drone designing Yes, the quality control, each one Step tracker Keep. And so, You have to learn this There will be but one the time you do it and you take become capable of are very big in quantity to produce For, your too many passes powerful systems will be because Now you can use any opponent or Overcoming the target Can get, For example, more and more By sending drones, excessively among them by coordinating, and If necessary, So more of these more production By doing.

and drones only one example Is. This is the thing fighter even on planes applies. You are these fighters of planes Number in the hundreds want to make Are. This is the thing Other systems, Marine on systems also applies . This is big In numbers these to make things, them like this to design from is about that they are so In numbers can be made, and large quantities production in to do Industrial Capacity and supply Be the series. Now wait. If We are at war A matter of content If you are doing You in the future coming Potential new of opponents No guesses Can apply.

Its It means that you Completely to be integrated will be. like if I am a country or I am a continent, Suppose we Are Europeans. This means that I am looking for this product some part of China or America or south America or to other countries Not outsourced Can do it. And Nowhere, right? Is? I am not I would say that someone No. My It means China Yes, it's true Is. um um right now Such allies also those with whom you clearly can work from and whose We all work together We do.

um but some The areas will be these particular countries of sensitivity depends on is where you are whole in the country well integrated want to be And you are in that country in my full supply The series also want to keep . such other areas are where you of colleagues working together and um me It seems that this will continue and Maybe it will increase . and then like this other areas are where you are says um No, really We have in A lot of different- apart Supplier Yes, none of this No difference had to, we would choose For Are independent.

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So, what we do There are, our Have a Flexibility This factory's The concept is where if any Country, you know Yes, our to the hardware Buying and wants to make, So they take it to their Taxes in the region Can. We There is a set up a factory and they have their supply also Can buy. to the extent that they feel comfortable and then another from countries Buy. What This partnership Will it be effective? So Your technique their factories In, their land Built on it occurs.

So we factory can run But we this ensure Let's do that be on their land And we are with them to work together a way of seek so that this also be sure that the supply series as much the same national and be homely as much as its Needed. And again different- of different countries sensitivity varies . to some countries Its absolutely don't even care happens, they buy from us and we are somewhere also produce Can. to others In fact care about it It happens that this on their land made so that more on that Have control.

You them flexible factories Why do you say that? Because we them like this Design from that has not been done They are a large Be a factory, attack on Very easy Be the target. rather the fact in them the entire continent distributed in can be done or even like us be underground too Can. So that attacking them It may be difficult. What You coach family have studied? No. I am their knows about I am but I No details Do you know. I give you a excellent book going to send am.

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two years anything before Was not there. one year some earlier It was not, but Now this is happening . right now your one in the mind It came to light that you In the AI ​​era, Will do anything, he quickly will be. To you It seems that this in five years It will, in fact, Two, maybe two more Two years, maybe two month. Maybe this By your estimation It will also be faster. AI is your products to with your expectation even better and made quickly Used to be.

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At present sincerely I would say that the most big problem Manufacturing There is no speed. We see these very made quickly Can. however one in the future There will come a time when You and more more efficient to be faster I would like to and then AI Manufacturing also a role in Will fulfill it. say this for now It will be hasty . This is because Because we are now are not limited . So wait, then What is the obstacle? sincerely I will say right now The obstacle is that elder programs Is required.

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and when Niklas and I spent the first year Weekly KPIs to review spent in so that it can be found out that our recruitment how are you doing and if needed If necessary, we ourselves included in it used to do Because recruitment Process It was very important . After that Internal recruitment Team building is very It was necessary and After that to perform How managed should be done, its For procedures Making is also very It was necessary. And most important The thing is quarterly of performance Review.

And what about us what they do there Yes, we are actually all of the people of performance No review Do. We This to the manager explains that He has his report to a Special Rating Why did you give it? And Then the manager For rating would have been accountable Is. So, we from them asks that You that to such a person Why rating Gave? And then we say It is possible that this not three, but two or Not three, but four It seems. And This gives us this ensure help to that it is found This of the people assessment that good how is the performance It happens, the whole One in the company Whatever it is.

And This also means that if someone Good No performance doing and you low rating for him If you give, then hide it It is difficult, hope this is lives that you something for him do. You or So this ensure do that he be better, and a as a manager But that's your job is, or if it It is not possible, So you separate on the way of Let's search. And I think that this kind of accountability for someone For the company Very useful it occurs because by this you eventually your level increase and it chance to know We get that we Which benchmark are looking for .

And this gives us It also turns out that which one Manager teams to save the Let's try And which ones not. I remember something . do you remember that we are in Sweden Together in the car are racing were and Luca Ferrari is also there Were? Yes. Did you see their some time with spent? I do not know. I do not know Was. You need to do this need or I give you this Not telling that What is the plan. you have to Needed about this what do I think Is?

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and so he has a lot All the unique There are thoughts. But I have These were notes and We are on WhatsApp for a from another making conversation Were. I said, " Dude, I'm having this lunch during you whatever madness Said full things, all their Notes Type I am going to do Because you have Talent and special Basically something on HR very much Interesting ideas are." And so We thought that this There are some notes. you with them spend some time Needed They of hiring talk about Does.

They says, "We make it A science make it." He Bending in spoons of your work tell about Used to be. His 50 people nearby The HR team is But they all Is an engineer. I have used it for first about Never heard of it. So what they do are, they are their CV's One of the signs, two and three years of the performance of Let's compare . So we are saying "Look, we think that Quality X In fact It is important, But we only guessing Are.

So we who are going to do , that is We have this to the person Quality X at work due to It is kept. So, Quality X than we have people at work kept, his on the basis of their what is the performance Is? You are 12 months After, 24 months later , after 36 months Let's talk." And he says that he Exactly 100 Different one of the signs algorithm have developed which tells that the talent what for is important . And he says are, "we have It is completely.

This is really very Is good. We This is a Engineering of the process looking at it as Are. And then he It is said that we have sent. Remember their All these different passes separate companies and they say that we recruit and dismissal centralized We do. And that It is said that Talent Both managers entries is in charge of . So your company People come in which you just described and then access which you just Described. And They say that to the people their The whole thing was this that you have to work in HR brilliant People should keep .

Most Companies can hire HR 100% B C D players considers like Are. he says Are they or not, You in HR best People should keep because it Very is important . Completely I agree, and I think that This type of investment to so much seriously taking time with keeps increasing is because you Only best to the people only find; This is a Different culture taking along with walks and, and It becomes something like this which goes ultimately succeeding For be important goes Because, especially If you are of time with that strength can maintain