Build a Butt or Get Abs? Where Do I Start? | Mind Pump 2808

Key Takeaway

Ladies seeking both a toned waist and built glutes should prioritize building muscle first, not cutting fat. Starting with a strategic bulk (250-500 calorie surplus) while strength training creates more metabolic tissue, making subsequent fat loss easier and more sustainable. This 'build first, cut later' approach applies universally - whether targeting glutes, chest, or overall physique - because muscle gain during a surplus can coincide with modest fat loss, while cutting first makes muscle building nearly impossible.

Episode Overview

This Mind Pump episode explores optimal training strategies for body composition goals, particularly the common desire for simultaneous muscle building and fat loss. The hosts emphasize why building muscle should precede fat loss attempts, discuss childhood physical development and modern sedentary lifestyles, examine historical government programs like Project Artichoke, and share personal experiences with peptides, sleep optimization, and parenting. The conversation weaves between serious fitness science and casual personal anecdotes.

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Ladies, you want to build a butt and you want abs, I'm going to tell you right now, build a butt, start there. That's the best place to start. I'll explain why in a second. You know, it' be interesting if we had stats on that. Uh obviously, uh I mean, that's such a popular thing. I remember back in 24 days. Uh butts and guts was a seminar I used to Oh, yeah. But forgot about that. Yeah. So, it was a popular uh a popular seminar that we used to run.

It was It would always get filled up, too. So obviously uh and I see the direction you're going. It's a common uh goal that someone say I want I want a small waist and I also want to build my butt. It would be interesting to see if we saw the statistics on this. Um and I would love to wish we could see the comparison of 20 years ago and today um I can almost guarantee what the stats were 20 years ago. I'm not too sure about right now.

I see what you're saying. 20 years ago 100% uh everybody try to get a small waist first and then build. Right. That would be like lose the I got to lose this I lose this you know baby weight or lose my body lose body fat lose that first and then I want I want to build a butt um where I think more people are aware of the direction you're going to go with this and I I and I would I would think that's changed but it'd be interesting to see how much has changed.

Is it still more dominant that way you think or do you think it's shifted enough? I think so. But I think what you probably see more often is I want both. Can you give me a routine that'll give me abs and I want to build my butt at the Well, yeah. No, I think you're going to give people that are going to say that and have always said that, but I think that uh the approach uh to that you can't do both at the same time.

One requires uh you're in a calorie surplus and you're gaining. The other one requires you to be in a calorie deficit and you're losing. Trying to do both at the same time means you do nothing. It's literally like you're trying to drive your car forward and back at the same time. And so you you end up staying in the same place. You have to focus on one uh and not on both. And so then the question is which one do I focus on first? Is does it matter?

Does it matter if I start with one before the other? Does it make it easier or harder to accomplish the second one if I start with one versus the other? And the answer is yes. Yeah, there is a better uh um you know way to start or there is a better order I should say. Start by building a butt. If your goal is to get a smaller, tighter waist and your goal is to get a more round butt, start by building the butt because that process of building will make it easier for you to get lean later on.

Getting lean first uh in the deficit can actually make it harder to gain afterwards in comparison. So, you start with this calorie surplus. you go into what's called a bulk and you focus on what's on getting strong. This in turn causes uh or or tends to move your metabolism in a positive way, then the cut is much easier. Always build first. Yeah. I wonder if that mentality of like really trying to slim down and the frustration of not building might lead into things like butt injections, you like the all the artificial options out there that you know are way more prevalent than they were before.

And it's frustrating because we know you can literally build a butt. Like it's it's something that's like very feasible to do, but um I think that the approach for sure like this is is necessary to think about that first. Not only that, but it's I mean I know we've we've come a long ways with the science and and the fake butts are better today than what they were 20 years ago, but it it's it doesn't look because it's a muscle. Yeah. And and and muscles work synergistically.

It doesn't look right. No, it's it's this you you see I see it a lot though. I do too. And and and I and I ask I asked Katrina. Katrina now I feel like because I've talked to her about it so much I feel like she now totally sees it but I don't think she saw it before until like I would explain to her. I'm like, do you not see like what the hamstring to ratio to the the glute ratio looks like and like how off that looks, you know?

And once you I feel like once you see that, you can't unsee that. And so it takes away from that. I would rather and I' I've told her this before. I would rather look at a body that is more symmetrical with a smaller butt that is proportionate to the legs. I think it just it it looks better than this overly sized butt with no hamstrings to go with it. Well, that's not to that's also you're not even talking about um the the dysfunction the muscle recruitment pattern dysfunction that happens from having um implants under a muscle.

By the way, this happens for the upper body too. When women get uh breast augmentation, it changes uh the angle of pull of the pec muscles. And so you see things like frozen shoulder and shoulder issues are actually quite common. Yeah. In those situations. Now you're doing it to arguably the most important most crucial part of the body which is the lumb pelvic hip area. And so you're going to cause uh different recruitment patterns, potential dysfunction, not to mention the risk of things like capsular um you know contraction where the where the actual implant itself starts to form scar tissue around it and that can cause issues.

And also at the end of the day it's a muscle. 10 out of 10 times. 10 out of 10 times you could build uh your butt. You could build the muscle. It has the most potential. Yes. It's the biggest strongest muscle in your lower body. So it's like of all the muscles that you have the most potential to grow and manipulate, right? And change the shape and all. This is that I mean so I mean for sure like I I mean that's why I've always I the the breast augmentation I've always understood more like there's you can't you can't you can't just add fat.

No, you can't do that. But the glute like you can build that and build that way easier than a lot of other muscles. And so to go that route and then and it and it looks so much better when the hamstrings and the quads and everything come up with it. And so it looks way way better to do that. But I mean we're getting off a little sidetrack. I know the point of this conversation was you know strategically you know what do you go about first is you build you build you build that first.

Yeah. You build that. By the way, this conversation is important, too, for people who are like, I just want to lose a bunch of weight. Like, I don't want Because we used to get we get clients like this all the time. I don't really care about building a bunch of muscle. Uh, yeah, it' be cool if I'm a little stronger, but I just need to lose a lot of weight. So, can we just focus on that? Not realizing that the building process makes the fat loss a lot easier and a lot more sustainable.

So, if your goal isn't to build any muscle whats, so you could care less about that. All you could care about is getting leaner, you still focus on building. That's always the first place. Well, yeah. And by the way, this is uh this is not um just for women. Like you you pick this goal of butt and waist. I mean, if a guy comes in and he's got a 30 lb overweight pot belly and small arms and chest and shoulders and he goes, "Oh, I I want to build my chest and shoulders and I and I'd like to get rid of this this pot belly." We still focus on building the chest and arms first.

I don't worry about the pot belly. It's like I we're that's going to come down. Which by the way, so just for people understand, uh getting leaner and building muscle together is quite difficult. However, your odds of both of them happening simultaneously are far better when you're focusing on building. Yes, it's zero when you're focusing on just losing. Like your your odds of building muscle while losing body fat while you're in a deficit, you can pretty much forget about it. Yeah. But in a calorie surplus, high protein, good strength training, getting stronger, there's a there's a decent chance that you'll actually get leaner through that process.

And I used to see this with clients all the time. When I would train clients, I would always focus on building for a couple reasons. One, for the reason we just said. Two, because it was the easiest thing for me to influence as their personal trainer when I would meet them two or three days a week because I'm not with them every day with diet. I can't watch what they're more difficult. So, I would just I would focus on that. also because it's like this we can totally impact right out the gates.

And what would happen through this process almost simultaneously is it would get stronger and also get leaner. You would see some muscle gain and you'd see a little bit of a a drop in body fat percentage even though we're focused on the building. And so this is like the best place to start regardless of what goal you have. And it sets you up so well. If you take someone who needs to lose 50 pounds and you focus on for six months, all we're focused on is getting stronger and building muscle.

The fat loss process uh after that six-month process is cake in comparison to you hire me and right out the gates we try with fat loss. It's going to be very difficult in comparison. But you build that body up first. Oh my god, it's incredible what you can end up doing. If you have to you do have to pick one or the other, focus on building the butt. That one makes the biggest difference. It's it's also easy easier psychologically. You know, I when you you bring up the point like so people have to be asking like wait a second, how does that how does the science work on that?

It doesn't make sense that one of them you can you can do both and the other one you you can only maybe do one. And it's like really what's happening is if you do a proper bulk where it's not a sloppy bulk where you're just eating garbage and in a crazy high calorie surplus, then what really is happening and how it's possible that you can build muscle and kind of lean out at the same time is there's periods of that time in that quote unquote bulk when you're actually kind of in a in a a deficit where the body actually starts to lean out a little bit because your bulk is so minimal.

You're only bulking 250 maybe 500 calories. So there's actually periods of time when you're in a little bit of this deficit and so the body then leans out a little bit while you also have other times where you're a little bit in a surplus and so it actually has an ability to build and so you're hovering more close to maintenance a little bit surplus versus what most people do which is go into a cut and a cut basically just ensures to your point that okay you might cut and lose some body fat but you certainly aren't building muscle you don't have the material to we also have a brand new maps program bundle it's called the spring bundle map symmetry maps prime time and then we'll throw in the advanced training techniques guide.

All of that, all three, 147. Go get it. Go to mapsmarch.com. All right, real quick. If you love us like we love you, why not show it by rocking one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or training gear over at mypumpstore.com. I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mypumpstore.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Right. Which also, here's another part of it. Um, if if you're listening to this right now and I magically added 10 lbs of lean body mass on your body with no additional body fat, nothing, just pure lean body mass, your body fat percentage dropped because body fat percentage is your body fat as a percentage of your overall body weight.

So, your body weight went up 10 pounds because of lean body mass. You're actually leaner even though you didn't lose a single pound of body fat. You're now leaner because of that lean body mass. Not to mention uh the increase in metabolic rate. Not to mention you've just uh improved your body's ability to burn more calories because you have more active uh lean tissue. Not to mention, here's the other part that people um that we often don't communicate, which is if you have a guy that's sitting at, let's say, uh let's say he's at 19% body fat.

So, he's like four or 5% above what would be considered kind of like fit, athletic, not six-pack, but 15%'s kind of like fit, athletic, but you don't have, you know, visible abs or whatever. Let's say he's at 19%. A man at 19% with good muscle mass underneath looks way different. Way different. Feel like you're talking about me right now. Are you at 19? Well, we were I was I was at 18.2. You know what I'm saying? And I just I couldn't wrap my brain around it.

Imagine being 18% right now. Same body fat percentage, but 15 lbs less than. You would look way different. Well, there's pictures of me that I was I was 19 uh I think 19.2 or 19.7 uh when I did my transformation. Oh, it looks so different. And if you looked at what I look like right now, like uh versus what I look like when I was not lifting weights and I just let myself get up to 19% body fat, huge difference. In fact, I should look for I mean I have if you go deep enough on my Instagram, what a great point.

It's not just about body fat percentage because they're the same same body fat. It's just one has more muscle, one has less muscle. It looks very different. Very very different. This is true for women, too. Most women would probably want to sit around 21 to 23% body fat, fit, healthy, lean. But a woman at 28 or 29% body fat with muscle looks way different than 28. So I'll tell you that cuz I do remember the weights and the I remember the weights and the body fat percentage.

So check this out. So uh um I I wish I should have taken the picture for everybody. So I didn't think about this being a fun comparison. So when I did that original the original not the last transformation everybody saw me do two years ago. I'm talking about the first one I did, right? The one where you first went on social. Yeah. There's a picture of me in the mirror. Yeah. When I where I first started, right? So, this is Yeah. You look way different. Yeah.

So, I am uh a uh 212 lb and 19% body fat. 212 and 19% body fat. Where I'm at right now, or what I did last what, 2 weeks ago when I did that test was 233 lbs and 18% body fat. So, almost the same body fat percentage. Yes. 20 more pounds. That same body mass. Yeah. Looks way different. Radically different. like so much to the point where Katrina was just like that's not right. There's no way that it's it's crazy how that can make such a difference cuz from a body fat percentage is not technically that much better but looks night and day difference because I'm carrying so much lean lean body mass on me.

And there's not a lot of charts out there that really depict that well either go based off of like oh percentages you want to kind of fall in this range but it's like you know to understand that you put muscle on top of that body itself is going to totally look it adds shape it adds curve. It adds firmness. Uh it looks very different. You're absolutely right. I I would love that would be such a great and powerful picture depiction cuz typically what we'll do is we'll show you know uh a 200lb man in two pictures one lean and one not lean which obviously looks radically different right you know 12% body fat 200 lb uh 25% body fat uh you know 200 lb they look radically different but what we don't often see which is also same body fat percentage but give that guy 25 lbs of muscle yes and do it with women too a woman with way more lean body mass same body fat percentage and heavier on the scale looks way different way.

It looks way different. It looks curved. so psychologically like beneficial especially I think for women because to the points of like bringing that trainer example in and like telling them how much you weigh like it's like that's such a profound thing sometimes for it is not to mention from a health perspective you guys like uh if you're strong and fit in the sense that you've got good function decent stamina good strength body fat percentage you know like like again I'll use the numbers for men and women 19% for a man let's say 29% or 30% for a woman, which is above what, you know, it's a good 6, 7% above where people would say they'd want to be.

But one of them is fit, strong, and has some stamina. The other one is just sitting at that body fat percentage. Their health is way different. Way different. Health markers way different. Uh longevity, well, way different. Quality of life way different. Hormone profile way different. Uh it's as if muscle is this active uh miracle tissue that people just don't realize. This is why I keep I mean I keep you know sounding the trumpets about what Gabriel Lion's message is is so uh so important and I think it's it's it's so much more true.

We and we and it's like can we change that conversation? It's like we actually really don't have an obesity problem. We have an under muscle problem. We That's really because a lot of these people that are quote unquote 30 to 50 lb overweight, if they were the exact same weight, but that weight 20 of that 30 lbs or whatever like that was muscle, you have a radically different body and health markers. I I remember I don't know if it was in the '9s where they started they would show imaging of uh people who were you know in the category of obese and they showed how much muscle they had.

So these were sedentary people who were obese and the belief used to be that if you were overweight you probably already also had more lean body mass and the rationale was you're bigger maybe you're carry muscle they have less muscle sarcopenia is very common that's right so the question is does it cause the obesity does it contribute to the obesity yes it oh yeah when you're muscled it does it definitely does and you're right uh My my well I mean they're my favorite studies not because I like the outcome but because I think they really demonstrate what we're talking about are these grip strength tests uh studies on collegeaged uh males.

It's wild you guys. Like and grip strength is just a proxy for overall body uh you know body strength. So it's an easy way to test if you're strong or you recruit muscles on command. The last I it was 2015. It was something like that. That was like maybe maybe eight years ago they did one where college males today have the average grip strength of a 50s something year old in 1986 or 60-year-old in 19 it was ridiculous like they're as strong as like their grandfathers were you know uh as as a grandfather was in the 1980s just to kind of illustrate how weak uh we've become because our lives require very little strength and so our bodies adapt our bodies adapt.

How much of a role do you think monkey bars played? Oh, dude. All those old videos. I revisit that a lot. I think I think about that for just a second. Everybody in here, everybody in this room grew up swinging and playing on monkey bars, right? Yeah. Yeah. When was the last time you saw a kid do that? I mean, Briana used to do it all the time. Did she? Yeah. But they were the anomaly. The to your point like like that's some of the kids were just like inclined to go jump.

I mean, every every school playground had them. That was like a that was like a standard thing that everybody had and you just did. Not to mention that bouncy rubbery uh surface is detrimental too uh for kids as well. Like they've they've done research on that. What is it? What's detrimental about Well, so aside from it tire rubber chemical Yeah. The chemical exposure is one big part of it, but like Yeah, I think it's some somehow like the the impact of it. Um uh like too soft.

Is it? Yeah, it's too soft. Yeah. I'll have to go back and research the study. I don't really remember like what what they found, but it was problematic. But I mean, I I remember like a simple game and and I'm trying to remember at what age did I stop doing uh doing this. It was probably for sure by high school, but definitely all the way through, you know, middle school we were we were doing this. But you would like how you would swing and see how many you could skip.

Yeah. And go and back going backward. I mean, that was like a part of a normal day. Physical hard physical play was what we did. Yeah. That's that's how you played because you went outside and you did. But I I bring up that because I know you bring up the grip strength test so much. And I think that uh being able to hang from a monkey bar is a like great for the like the the dead hang test that we all test that everybody talks about so much now about and that we all that everybody fails at.

And then the the grip strength and it's like I wonder how much when you look at our society as a whole. Oh, of course. That that that just just no no monkey bars just not playing physically. Uh, kids now play uh electronically. They're just that's how they meet up with each other. That's how they play. You guys ever watch those? I mean, they still got recess at school. They do, but that's it. That's what they was structured. I think I know, but that's that's what it wasn't like No.

When you went home When you went home, did you stop playing or were you outside playing? Yeah, but I wasn't doing something in particular for my grip strength. Forget the grip strength. You were just stronger. Everything you did was physical. You weren't you when you got home, there was nothing to do other than go outside and go throw football, run, wrestle, climb trees, like you know, you you weren't at home. You weren't sitting down. Yeah. You know, you there if you were that kid at home sitting there, you were that weird kid.

Uh when we were growing up, like nobody did that. You were outside, dude. There was nothing to do inside. You're sick. Yeah. Now it's like I've told my That's actually something I told my kids all the time. They're like, you know, like the kids that do that, they're the ones that were sick all the time. Yeah. Like, I don't understand you guys at all. Like, yeah. Like, what's wrong? Yeah. Well, it's funny. It's like I make this joke all the time. It's like when we were kids, the punishment was go to your room.

Now, it's like get out of your room and go outside. Yeah. Yeah. And you got to set a timer. Go stay outside for 45 minutes. Yeah. Or whatever. You guys ever watch those videos? I think we brought it up before on the show of uh playgrounds in the 50s. Yeah, bro. They were dangerous back slides. You die. This is I told you cut my toe once a year we lose a kid slides you know. Yeah. Actually the monkey bar is where I broke my arm. So it was like it was not it was like 12 foot.

It wasn't even like 10. It was like like higher than than normal and I just fell right on my arm and broke it. And then that same year I broke it again. We were playing um Look at that bro. Look at the size of that playground. Look what kids are climbing. I know that no way a parent would let their kid climb. Look at that. He's sitting on the top of that thing and that's how high do you think that is right there. It's wild that it's it's wild how much that how much society played a role in that it's even conditioned you like you wouldn't do that.

Yeah. No, that terrifies me, right? You wouldn't let your kid do that. No. But yet we know that. We know that that was a part of our society and that was normal. Yet you would freak out if you saw your kid do that. That freaked me out. I actually intentionally tried and that was like rough because we'd go to the dog park and there was like these trees and the kids were inclined to climb the trees and they get to a point we get like about halfway I'm like uh like hey guys you know then they keep going all the way to the top and I felt like the parents around me were going to call CPS or something and I'm just like and so I' I'd have to like coach him like okay we can't go like that high like maybe like midway.

This is an area where where Katrina and I are challenged because I'm I I know I have to do more of that with him and my son's not inclined to do stuff like I shoot I just the fact the last pictures I took of him and I posted you know you know how I re on his private thing I post is stuff like once a week. It's actually I'm like I get so excited to see him take risk because he just doesn't he doesn't do enough of that.

Like it's like and he needs to do more than that. and him and his buddy had built this, you know, fake bridge between his two beds and they were jumping and flying across, you know, the bed. I'm just like, that's like the And then it's come on, dude. It's a bed. The pillows. Yeah, there are no but I mean I can't he doesn't climb trees. I can't get him to do stuff like that. He's not into anything like that. I remember when we tried to do gymnastics for way back when when he was right before CO and then CO hit which kind of threw a monkey wrench and everything.

Um, but I I I want him to do more stuff like that. Kids just are not inclined to want to do that stuff. Let me ask you this. Here's something that's crazy, right? Uh, when we were kids in elementary school, there was always, always at least one kid, if not two, who had a cast on. Yeah. Always, always, always. That was me. Justin was a kid. Always signing a cast. It's actually pretty rare now, I think, to see that was a thing. You your friends signed your cast.

Yep. Like that was a thing. That's how that's how common that was a common theme in school that you sign somebody's cast. You remember that? Yeah, I do. Like every you get a cast and all your friends have their signature on your cast. That was like a thing. That's You don't see that ever? No. I wonder if if like ER visits have dropped, you know, or it changed into more like chemicals or, you know, like like I sw I like switches over into something else. typically look up the look at the what the percentage of uh kids under yeah 15 breaking their bones versus kids yeah are kids breaking their arms less common today or something like that I feel like those numbers probably which is interesting because I don't see kids well here's the thing that's that's interesting about that because you would think malnutrition would play a role too and so we're less nutritious than we would be so you would think that would but they're not doing anything that would break it I know that's that so what my point is if the number went down in a time when we are less nutritious we're eating less nutritious food it would it would be it's kind of Crazy when you think about that and it just shows you how much less risk we're taking.

You know, the whole nutritious thing though, I'll push back on that because we grew up in the '90s. We ate garbage. Everybody ate garbage in the '90s, you guys. It's It's not like it was radically Maybe when D microwave food, but when we were kids, you had squeeze its. That's what you were drinking. It was It was candy. Everybody had Twinkies in their lunch. It was like white. Do you think our generation eats worse than this generation? I don't think so. The kids? Yeah. I don't think so.

I don't know. I I I don't by by the way, by no means do I think our generation was good, but I don't think this generation's gotten better. I don't think. No, not better. But I don't think they're worse. Oh, I don't think that either. Yeah. Um, what does that say, Doug? Well, that's a percentage down from 2008 to 2017. I'd like to know from like 1980s 90s. Yeah. Yeah. Because by that point, I mean, kids were still But it did show there was a drop.

So, I know. Isn't that funny? How much does CO though three years of CO play a huge role in that, too? Although, actually, no, that would put everybody outside. Oh, no. Although, I did see the other day like there was um some kids in the neighborhood uh setting up ramps. I was like, "Yeah, ramps." And this kid, he's he's skateboarding through and then like they hit each other like he jumped off and and I was like, "Ah, man." Yes. Look at this data, dude. Data suggests a 12% decrease in overall fractures since the 1980s.

But there's other research that shows a 32 to 56% rise in specific forearm fractures due to calcium deficiency and lower bone mass. Ah there you go down scroll click show more because that's a so in Finland there was a drop from 1983 to 2005 18%. Uh then there's um the the forearm fractures in children increased because of what you're saying. Lower bone mass. Wow. Children in 2017 2018. Wa 10% 10 to 11% lower bone density than 1979 1981. WOW. WA DUDE. 10 to 11% lower bone density.

Monkey bars. If you're not stressed, dude. If you're not stressed, test monkey. Monkey bars. Yeah. It's it's I'm serious. Think about what what else is strengthening your forearm muscles and your hands and your grip and everything than that as a kid that you're doing. No kids no kids are out there doing wrist curls or doing forearm exercises. You're that you're hanging from monkey bars and climbing trees. Dude, you ever look at old pictures like sometimes I look at old pictures like family pictures, right? Like when my dad was younger, my grandfather, and I look at I'm like, "God, they look like they could beat the crap out of like the kid that like like they probably could.

Were they just tough? They were They were just tougher because they were stress tested. Great Depression will do that to you. They also look older. It hardens you. You ever see like there's old movies and they'll show the actor like he was 30 in this movie like dude looks like he was 45. Like what's going on? I feel like just going into like cold weather environments did that for me. Like just going into Chicago. I was like just always just tight and hunkered down, you know?

How cold did it get out there, dude? It was like 30 below like windchill. My first year I was there. 30 below. I've never experienced that. Like it it obviously here we don't you get like um up to like candlestick. I would go every now and then. It was like, you know, this sucks. But it was like that was probably like -5 or something. Well, isn't it Chicago? The places where they had those like if you I'm sure if Doug will come online the pictures of like when uh the wind is like crazy and it's freezing cold and the cars look like Yeah.

They've had like ice. Um Yeah. Where it just covers the entire city. Yes. Uh and you can't you can't even get in your car. Yeah. I I was just wasn't ready for that. I was wearing like three sweatshirts. Yeah. There it is right there. Like pictures like that. I've seen pictures like that before. That's crazy. I don't like cold weather. What do you do? You're just like not going to work today. Yeah. You're not getting into that blow torch. Yeah. There's tunnels and things that to to connect to is downtown, but like Yeah.

You have to really prepare and plan around your day. Yeah. We when we were in Colorado, it it was cold, but it's a different kind of cold. Um Yeah. Cuz Chicago's got the wind and the water. Canada just the wind and the water. Colorado is dry. And so it's not doesn't like I I remember the opposite. Like it would trip me out. I remember that first time coming down. So, I used to have to we lived in this u kind of cabin right above this like trailer park anyway this long dirt road to where I had to walk down to to get to school um or I mean to the bus stop and uh you know I remember walking down as a kid in uh in the snow and there's you know 5t of snow next to you and a t-shirt and it's minus 3 but it doesn't it I mean minus 3 somewhere else feels I mean like you said San Francisco 30° with wind is like freezing cold.

Yeah, it's a whole another Yeah. So, it's it's wild how like you could be in different like climates like that where just the temperature isn't just the the only factor but Chicago I hear is like that where I was for sure made for the heat. Like I don't mind heat make it hot all day long. Humid, I don't care. I'm comfortable. Cold. I would die. I'm done, dude. I can't stand it. Yeah. We had I had buddies that went up to Tahoe. Was it last weekend when it got super crazy?

Uhhuh. Snow up there. Oh, yeah. So, my buddy, he's he's been out he's lived out here for a while, but he's like, "Hey, man. We're going to go up to Tahoe. First time ever going. I'm not a big fan of snow, but the kids really want to go. Bro, he picked the wrong weekend, dude. Do you know how long it took him to get up there? 15 hours. I've been stuck on 80 before. 15 hours. I've been stuck on times where everybody just gets out of their car and there's there snowball fights and everybody's just No, I'm serious.

You just You're not It's not moving. It's not moving and you're just So, everybody just gets out of the car and they're hanging out and What if you have to go poop? Like, what do you do? That's always my worry. Like, you're stuck and you just like what do you do? You're stuck on the road. Nobody's I mean, I've never had to go poop, but I've had to go pee in that on that road. Then then you just go you go find a tree. That's not a big deal, but having to go.

Yeah. If you got a number two, always keep wipes in your car, dude. Yeah, I do. Cuz I have little kids. I mean, that's the kids that would be a nightmare. Do you have Did he have kids with him? He had his kids with him. Oh god. Yeah. I was like at least a young adult. You know what I'm saying? So that's like whatever. I'm bored. My buddies and I are pissed. Stressful. But with kids, that would be a nightmare cuz I could just imagine kids being stuck in a car for 15 years.

Oh my god. Forget that. Speaking of kids and playing, dude, I was playing with uh my 5-year-old and my three-year-old. So, my 5-year-old's a boy, right? Three-year-old's a girl. And it's so funny to see the difference in how they play. This is kind of stereotypical of like boys and girls, but we're we we all have these like I have a bat in my hand. It's like a it's a long foam bat. My son's got a shield. My daughter's got a sword. And I'm like, "All right, we're going to go kill dragons.

All the pillows on the couches are dragons. Let's go." Right? So, we're out there like killing dragons. And so, my daughter stops. She goes, and she has to tell a story behind it. Well, this dragon, he came from this place. And then his mom and she's got to create this complex story around the whole thing. Let's just blast. And she's always telling, she's like creating this whole complex scenario. She's three, dude. And I'm cracking up. I'm like, you don't have to make a story. So, hey.

And then she picked up my son has this was hilarious. He has a plastic t-ball bat, but it's hard, you know, but it's the one that you hit the bat with. Yeah. So, we're killing dragons and then just out of nowhere, I thought she thought she thought it'd be funny. She grabbed the bat. She blasted me full speed with that bunk. I'm like, "Oh, honey." Ah. She's laughing. I'm like, "That was hard, dude. That was a little hard, honey." Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're trying to we're right now we're really trying to implement the uh the the the the money stuff right now.

So the like the save, the give and the invest. So I'm trying to That's so great. I got to do that. I mean it's like it's just it's a process. Like I don't know if it's because we're I'm early, you know what I'm saying? Trying to figure that out. Like he's still trying to to wrap his brain around it. But like the the the latest obviously he's been into Legos forever. So Katrina and I are are now like, "Okay, it's time to implement the money thing." And so let's start to create these little jobs, ways he can earn it.

I think I told you guys that like he spent like all of his money on his on his Lego. He was like okay with that. And then he knew too like, "Hey, we're not going to get another one until you do like chores and or do jobs, right?" So, and so, you know, fold folding laundry. I showed you guys the picture of the the toilets and stuff. No. Oh, yeah. So, if it was he cleaned he cleaned the toilets and everything. You had him clean the toilets?

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Totally. It was $10 a toilet. You know what I'm saying? That's not bad. Yeah. Yeah. Made 30 bucks. You know what I'm saying? So, he made 30 bucks by doing the toilets cuz How old is your son? Huh? Six. Six. Cleaning toilets. Wow. That's a That's so So, listen. He's he's uh he's he's he's clean the toilet and he looks up at my tree. He goes, "This is this is way harder than washing the car with daddy." He's out of and then he's and he gets out he's upstairs in the the master bedroom and he's like he's like, "Mommy, somebody uh peed on the floor." And she's like, "Well, who do you think did that?" And he goes, "Probably daddy." He's like, "No, probably you, bro.

That's you who misses the toilet all over the floor." You blamed it on you. Yeah, you blamed blamed it on me. That was you, homie. Yeah. Yeah. So, I was like, so Katrina sends me she I was out running errands and uh there's this like, you know, $30 uh T-Rex Lego that he wants and uh she sends me that he's already doing the chores and stuff like that uh to to add it up to figure out how much he has to get. And so, like, I'm super proud of him.

Well, I'm going over to her mom's house to pick up chicken soup for uh for us cuz we're sick. And I'm like super proud that like he he was the one who came up. He was asking her, "What can we do?" And the reason why we came with toilet, I'm like, "I don't know what the hell else you can do." He helped her fold laundry. That was something. I was like, "Okay, well, you could do the toilets. We could do something like that as a project.

See if you want to do that." And he was totally down. So, we said, "Okay." It was too rainy and cold to do the the cars. So, I'm over there picking up uh the soup from my mother-in-law and Katrina sends me those pictures of he's doing that. So, I know he's got to have enough to do that. And so, he has this relationship with my my mother-in-law where she's always gifting him and stuff like that. And so this the the soft part of me as dad.

I go like, "Oh, you know, I'm gonna swing by. I'm gonna pick up that Lego and I'll say it came from Nana." You know what I'm saying? So because I actually want him to take this money and save it, you know? So I'm trying to teach the saving, but you can't give him the thing. You created the job. Exactly. So I So I I come home and uh I I bring in the soup and then you know, daddy tells me he cleaned cleaned it. Dad tells me what he's earned and stuff like that.

And you now I can get the thing. I said, "Hey, guess what I said? Uh when I went and saw Nana, I said, "Uh, she had a gift for you." He's like, "What? What did you?" And he gets all excited. I go outside. I grab it and I I hand to him and it's it's the T-Rex logo or whatever. So he he he oh so that totally I didn't see that coming. He makes a big old deal about it and he's he's opened up and he's sitting there and Katrina told me earlier she's like, you know, he's tired and he's feeling under the weather.

And when my son is like that, he's like a little emotional. And she's like, "He's emotional today." And I'm like, "Oh, really?" you know, I'm like, "Why?" And she's like, "Ah, he's just not feeling good." So, he's over there and he's doing the Legos. And um I hear Katrina kind of like talking to it's okay, buddy. And so that uh he's he's starting to cry and I'm like I'm like, "What the fuck?" Like, "What? This doesn't make sense. He just got this thing. He's all happy." And so I come over and I'm like, "Hey, what's going on?" And he's and he's trying to like get get control of his crying and get his emotions and and she's like, "It's it was the wrong Lego." Oh.

And and he's like he goes I know I know this is but he doesn't want to let you know that he's just he's like he's like I know this this is a gift from Nada and I I'm I'm I'm not crying. I'm I'm I'm and he's like trying he's getting control and he's just like he's talking himself and he's getting his breath and and I just like give him his space or whatever like that and then she she Katrina pulled me aside and she's like it was it's the wrong Lego.

It's the it's not the one that he wanted but he knows it's a gift from Nana so he doesn't want her to. And so but watching him try and like work through that. So it's so interesting. I've seen this now with him multiple times where uh it's so cool to see how aware he is. He's aware of the great being grateful. Yes. But he also has of course his disappointment. It wasn't what he expected. Right. He's a little kid and I remember being a little kid like that.

Matter of fact, I have a very vivid memory at that. Even adults are like that. They have an expectation, right? And so he knows that he doesn't want to be ungrateful or cry or about it and stuff like that. And so he's like fighting these like these natural emotions to cry. So did you get him the other one? Uh well, so yeah, we win eventually. Of course. Of course. Especially cuz the way he handled it, you know what I'm saying? Like he literally he didn't throw a tantrum.

He wasn't even crying. He was like you could tell he's like holding it and fighting back. And I hear Katrina talking. I'm like, "What are you guys talking? What's going on? What's Oh, it's the wrong way." And I'm like, "Fuck, I [ __ ] up." You know what I'm saying? The one time I did that, uh because that was a big deal. Like if you got something and then it wasn't what you wanted but you were upset about it like I would get it's not a good thing when I when I grew up.

Right. My my dad grew up poor so they have their own thing. Right. Right. But I remember and I was probably 12 I want to say and I got my gift from Santa. Not that I still believe in Santa but I have little younger siblings so I still got a Santa gift. And it wasn't the Nintendo and I got something else and I kind of was sad about it because I thought I was going to get the Nintendo and I was really sad about it. And I'll never forget this.

My dad, I think it was the day after, he's like, "Hey, why, you know, I saw you were upset, like what's going on?" And my dad's, he he didn't talk to me this way, so it was a big deal. And so I told, I thought I was going to get the Nintendo. And he's like, "Okay." And then he walks away and he goes, "Follow me." So I went in the car and he drove me to the toy store and bought me the Nintendo. I'll never forget that.

Oh, wow. So I have I have a same age, too. I'm right around probably like 8, nine, 10, somewhere around that age. And uh um my grandma was the one who always got like the big Christmas gift. And like so and that year I wanted a remote control car and like I was like so those were a big deal back then. Oh it was a huge deal. And I I knew it I knew grandma would come Yeah. come through with like the and and I open it and and it is a Is it the one with the cord?

Yes. Oh no. And every boy I remember being devastated dude. Just devastated that you know sucks. And and so I like and this one sucks. That me Oh yeah. I was like ruined my whole day. You know what I'm saying? Like my grandma came through on Christmas every year on what I wanted. You know what I'm saying? And it's like I'm at an age where like I wanted like the gas powered like I'm ready. I'm ready for like the real deal like remote control and she got me one with like a cord to it.

Like I'm [ __ ] four. Oh bro, it was devastated. I mean I remember crying all the whole whole deal. And so when I saw that like immense immediately put me back in that and I'm like man just the the level of control that he has also know and and to communicate it. So then I'm like dude so was so so much better than I was. Do you remember the stupid remote control cars that they would go forward but the only way to turn is to go backwards.

If you went backwards it naturally turned. You remember that? Like this is this sucks dude dude. This is I mean I think the cord is the worst. That's that's another level. It's only going to go 4T everywhere. Super slow. If we had the technology, why are we still run over GI Joe's? But, you know, it's crazy as a kid, like you can't you those emotions they whether you know, you're trying to figure all that stuff out. So, to watch him try and uh to to work it out is uh pretty wild, you know.

It's pretty wild to be that. Hey, I got to ask you guys when we did the uh the big uh photo shoot with Ketone IQ. Was that your first times for both of you guys taking like multiple servings in a day? Oh, in the same day. Uh yeah, for me it was. Yeah, cuz I cuz I do two to three. I've done one typically, but yeah. What do you guys think? I I So I I took it again yesterday and today. Uh I I like it.

It's great. Yeah. Yeah. I'm on a kick now. Ever since we had to do all that cuz because I did feel so good cuz I'm drinking caffeine. So they have the ones that are non-caffeinated, too. So I could still do that and and feel the benefits of it. Speaking Ketone IQ, I thought the best part of that day was the meeting the guy who did it. Oh yeah. And literally was like Justin. How how random was that? And he went to my high school. I was like, dude, of course you have the same kind of sense of humor as me.

The fact that he was when we pulled up his YouTube channel that he was responsible for that fitness uh scared what's it called? Scared shitless fitness. Yeah. Scared shitless fitness. I shared that video with so many of my friends. did that. Yeah, it was on Comedy Central there. Yeah. So, his group that did like sketch comedy, I think they're called the Cloons, but um Yeah, it was weird because I was like, "Oh, I've totally seen all their videos. Remember all that like vividly?" Have you guys gone Have you got Cuz this channel cuz they sold to Comedy Central.

He doesn't do it anymore. But have you guys gone through that? They go hard, dude. They go hard. Well, I mean, one of their top videos is for a product called the Thruster. Yeah. Oh, I haven't seen that one. The best part was that we had spent the whole day with him. We spent the whole day with him doing all the the shooting and stuff like that for all the ads and commercials to come out later. And it wasn't until the end when we got into the studio to do this part that that conversation comes up and you're over there and we ask him, "Oh, you had a YouTube channel." He had a big YouTube channel back in the day, like 15 years ago or more.

And so you're over there looking at it and you're like, "Oh my god. Oh, this is" And then I see the title of it. I'm like, "Oh, this is so just guys the thruster one. It's a bit inappropriate, but it's like there's this couple and they're like, "Oh, you know, let's get intimate." Like, "I'm kind of tired." It's like, "Are you sometimes too tired or whatever introducing the thruster?" And so you put it on you and your partner and it does the work for you. Hey, and they're like, they're like, "Do it while sleeping.

Do it while reading." You know what I felt? I I can only imagine how good Justin felt cuz I felt it for you. It was so to to feel uh the validation for the ads that Justin had did back years ago to show him that, right? To show somebody uh that that does that professionally. Prison is a little awkward cuz you know obviously they crushed it and they they uh you know got signed and all that by you know so I'm just like ah we were just like meddling and trying ideas and uh yeah to have him watch that and he was just like into it.

Yeah. It was cool. Oh he was very impressed like you could see it on him. I mean, he sat like Indian style in the middle of our floor and like watched all your ads because he was just like, "This is so good." Like, it's cool. That's like one of those hidden passions. I wish it worked, you know, with our business. Uh, you know, who knows? Like at some point it might, you know, I went back and watched them all over again. And I don't know where we have we put them on the YouTube channel so they can can they we should put them out there so they just so we can at least people can search them and find them because they're so good.

I know you have you have them on your Instagram. Yeah. You put them in your your your uh bubbles. Yeah. little bubbles or whatever like that. But dude, that the the Jew one is probably my favorite. The juude. That was the most ridiculous. Those were so those were so a big budget made commercial. You guys say that you guys always give Dude, ask Eli. He did a lot of that for with me and we worked. It was just me and Eli like coming up and then doing all that and like I mean he went out of his way to help me try to like do something with that.

So he didn't he didn't charge even near what he should have you know for those what you know what though is such an example of how different we are. I mean, right before we got this podcast, I was telling you guys this the way my brain works is like, you know, how cheap, how inexpensive, what's how can I test this theory like as fast as fast and as quick as possible to get a get an answer. And Justin's like elaborate complex. You give him and he's just like I am going to Well, he's creative, dude.

He's got that creative mind. But but but hanging out with you guys has helped me to really bring that and distill it down to like the core of it. And so I feel like I don't know, man. We might be at a place now where we need that, dude. we might be in a place where we need that creativity maybe. That's why I want to put it out there again. I think when the I think as those those those companies and I would love for you to I mean yeah he wanted to link up.

So I would love for you to do some collaborations again. I know it's been a long time since we've done that and I know Doug probably freaks out just hearing that going like oh great just what we needed more more distractions but it's like I agree with you s I think that stuff is getting so AI fake whack produced that something authentic and funny and real like that like that I think and I can't think up that stuff I just I don't know I like original ideas like there's just so much carbon copying of this is the trend and this is the algorithm it it's Like I don't even get impressed anymore, you know?

That's why I think that's why I think I think you maybe you were just way way too out of your time, bro. Yeah, I think you're everything just I'm over in the future and once they're caught up, it's like dead news, you know? Oh, we got AI for that now. Hey, speaking of news, dude, are you guys seeing what's happening in Mexico? Yeah, man. Porta, too, which is like where a highly traveled place for lockdown and and the cartel, it's a it's a war. So, how did it start?

They it killed one of these cartel leaders and then it spurred this crazy government. Yes. Yes. So, military, government, whatever. And uh I mean it's to a point where like highways are shut down, airports are getting taken over, hostages are being taken. Yeah. Gas station, civilians are getting their like are driving on freeways getting pulled over, cars get set on fire. Like, it's Bro, the videos coming out of Mexico in some of these areas is crazy. Did you say that you heard that we are going to get involved?

So, there's a couple things. Trump's like, "Let us do something." And then also, they're trying to put forward a bill that will allow the US to hire uh I don't know what you would call them, but like private mercenaries. I mean, they don't use that term because essentially what is. So, it's like all these retired like uh special forces guys that are like what what would our what is our as why would why would the US get involved in that? What's what's the desire? because it spills over and the cartel, you know, they're responsible for a huge percentage of the drugs that come over the border.

Um, and so if like if you need if you want to stop that, then you need to go after the cartel. But the cartel is like wealthy and powerful. Have you seen the pictures of what they own for their military? They look more they look more military than the the Mexican Mexican military looks, bro. They look more full body armor, night vision. Hopefully the CIA doesn't fund them this time. Thanks, Justin. Just got to put that out there. Drop that conspiracy in there. Hey, you want to hear conspiracy theory?

Did you hear about the files they dropped? Uh, and this was government stuff in the 1950s. I love it when they drop it a million years later, right? Did you hear about what they just dropped, dude? So, declassified. This is decl They just declassified these CIA files. So these are documents that uh that basically reveal a blueprint to manipulate minds through covert drugging experiments. This was called project artichoke and it ran from 1951 to 1956. It focused on behavior control, interrogation techniques and psychological manipulation. And they looked at chemicals.

How can we use chemicals to manip manipulate people? How can we put it in the air? Put it in water, alcohol, cigarettes. By the way, another thing that we could do is put them in vaccines or injections. This was in this was literally their plan. Oh yeah. Yeah. Government CIA documents. This was operate. You can look it up and read it. Many of these files were destroyed in the 1970s. So we don't know the full extent of what happened. Finger and eye. Is that the same time?

What was the other one that MK Ultra? Yes. Part of it. Okay. That was part of I was going to say that's right. It sounds like very similar to MK Ultra stuff, right? So before it was before uh MK Ultra. Oh okay. So MK Ultra was later. Yeah. So emerging from project in other words never has stopped. No hilarious. In other words still going. No man. Isn't it wild? So they they were they were discussing methods for drugging entire populations. Wow. That was our own government.

Oh my god. It it involved secret program emphasizing that long-term compounds should be capable of producing an agitating effect. anxiety, nervousness, tension, or a depressing effect, feelings of despondency, hopelessness, lethargy. Yeah, but you're crazy for questioning things. So, have you guys got any like phone calls from friends or or family? Some of that like apologizing for all the like how wrong everybody was. No, most of my remember we're Sicilian. We don't trust anybody anyway. So, when this comes out, it's like, "Oh, my uncle, I told you." Of course.

Of course. We're just They're just naturally skeptical. So, I don't have a lot of family. Well, they're still fighting on like the surface stuff and I'm like way over here, you know? Yeah. I'm curious about all like the like remember all the co talks about that like how much of this has all came out with that? Like how many of people that were so crazy on that side? I think people just like just want to just kind of, you know, home their way out of that conversation.

I feel like that's what exactly what it's been like for on my side with like anybody that was like that. Yeah. I can't wait. Let's talk about this. I thought I was so crazy. This is all [ __ ] type of deal. During co get excited to engage. They did a huge poll. This is the scariest thing I'd ever seen. They did a huge poll of registered voters uh and it was uh Democrats. So they vote they they did a huge poll. Over 60% so a majority supported uh taking people's children away if they refused to real.

A majority of people pled during COVID were like, "Yes, take their kids away. They need to vaccinate." Can you believe that? I can't. You better believe they're Homer Simpson. Their way out. That's where Yeah. I'll put my like imagine being the poll. People don't believe me. Look at that. Yeah. Look at that poll up. Imagine being that person that voted that and then all this stuff comes out about it like that. You were like, you were so quick to say some would would have voted for something like that in a time that was completely manufactured by a bunch of [ __ ] Yeah.

Like crazy, dude. Yeah, crazy. I know. I It's And you remember the pictures of people who were like they they'd have like big plastic uh like walls where you could put your arms through and then that's how they'd visit each other with that the silliness of it. Or the pictures of the bands. The bands with the masks on, but they had the opening so they could play their flute. So stupid. Just so many inconsistencies. So no brain. Just no thinking. Yeah. Did you find the poll, Doug?

I did. They say it's 29% but then who knows if that's real or not. I I don't if it's more if it's 5% that's crazy. Okay. Well, that's a little more. Pull the not show. Okay. So, it wasn't 60%, bro. So, there's only 30% of scroll down. Click show more, Doug. See? Uh yeah. Oh, temp 29% said temporarily removing parents custody. That's right. 59% supported confining them to their homes. Uh 50 Yeah. fines for uh for the unvaccinated. That's crazy. Uh here's another one. 45% favored allowing governments to force the unvaccinated into designated facilities.

So, relocation of course. What? Yeah. 48% favored. Everybody else Nazis. Yeah. Who publicly questioned the efficacy of the vaccine. Almost 50% said, "Yeah, yeah, we'd like to." Well, this is why I mean this is I mean, what's that? What's the statistic on that? What people people would trade freedom for safety all day long. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Do you know like give me you would trade freedom for safety? Like that that is crazy to me. And what's that old quote? If you trade freedom for safety, you get neither.

You end up with Yeah. You end up with neither one. I think so. I know. I know. President. I know. Anyway, I got to tell you guys, my buddy I have a buddy who uh like you, Adam, I would say like you if something doesn't taste good, he's not going to take it. So, I got him the Legion peanut butter cup protein. Yeah, bro. He's He called me. Yeah. He's like, "Is this really protein?" My favorite. He's like, "This is the most delicious. I can't believe this is protein." I've never I've never had it.

You guys haven't uh as I say, you don't you don't you don't do that. You guys have the peanut butter ones. That's our go-to. Yeah. It's It's so good. It's like Yeah. It blends so well and like Yeah. They're tripping out. They're like, "What else are you putting in here?" And a lot of times it's just ice and and we just blend it up. I mean, I wasn't using the peanut butter, but that's what I was using when you saw me this morning when I was making my Greek yogurt.

That's I put a scoop of the vanilla. The vanilla whey in a Greek yogurt makes the Greek yogurt taste amazing. Even better. Oh yeah. And then it boosts an extra what 26 or whatever grams of protein. So I can't have dairy, but I do their egg protein and their egg protein is really good. It's really good. The vanilla is really really good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. Mike's got it. Mike's got it nailed. Yeah. You know, I meant to ask him, remind me when we get off to uh hit him up.

I just I you know, I keep my Legion protein bars right down below me right here. And uh I just got the new box and uh the chocolate chip cookie dough one that I always eat uh is is totally different the texture. So he's changed some sort of a formulation. I want to ask better. Oh yeah, it's way better. They used to be kind of like hard. Okay. And it's like a real soft texture now. So I'm super curious to what uh what he did different.

Have you had one lately? I haven't. No. Oh yeah. So you have to try. You eat the cookies. Mhm. All the time. Yeah. I don't know why I have a thing for them too. The cookies. Yeah. Yeah. I do too. I think it's just in the form, you know, cuz it's a cookie, but it could just be a bar. To be honest, I don't even like them. I still eat them like crazy. I do. I'm like worst commercial ever. I mean, they don't taste like a They don't taste like a cookie.

They taste like a They taste more like a protein bar. You know what I'm saying? But and but there's something. You know what it is? It's got to be psychological. It reminds me of a cookie. Yeah. Like I And I know too it's a little less grams of protein than the protein bar, but I still choose to eat the cookie all the time. And it's like I know I don't like it more than the protein bar. I've got both right here. I have the cookie and I have the bars right here and I eat the cookies all the time.

Way better. But yeah, it's convenient. You know, that's the convenient. I think there's something there. I think there's like I'm aware I'm aware that I have both there. The protein bar has got a little bit more protein, so even better. I would rather have that. It tastes better. But you like the cookie, but I still eat the cookie. Yeah, cuz it's a cookie. What is that? I have no idea. And I have I have unlimited access to both. And so yet I find I was a big cookie guy growing up.

I think I think that's why that's my treat. I think that that's what it is. I think there's a psychological thing of that like it makes me feel like I still get to have cookies every once in a while. I know. I'm dead serious. Look at me. It's got protein. Cuz people have asked me like, "Hey, do you really like that?" I'm like, you know, I don't really like it that much actually. I mean, I mean, just being honest, it's not like my favorite thing of all.

They got they got a ton of great stuff. It's not my favorite. Like, I love their cereal. I love their You guys are cookie sales went down. How many sponsor Hey, how many times have we had a sponsor write in to to us and be like, "Yeah, you know, Adam, you shouldn't say that. It's It's great, but it tastes like crap. Take the taste test." Adam's actually said that. I'm going to say what the sponsor was. We're not with them anymore, but I remember we had a commercial with them.

They were so bad. I like that Ketone IQ leans into that. Yeah. Oh, they do. Yeah. Although it doesn't taste that bad. They've improved their formulation. Exogenous ketones. Yeah. But if you lie and say it tastes amazing or tastes, you'll enjoy it. It's tolerable. Old exogenous ketones tasted like jet fuel, like actual gasoline. Well, that's what kept me from really using it was the experience I had with it originally. But it it has gotten you could light your breath on. It still is not good, right?

It still doesn't it's not going to drink it forever. Like I I can't sip on it like a Celsius. I ain't doing that. Like it's you sh you shoot it cuz it's not it doesn't taste good. But it it there is a significant difference between the way they taste now versus what they tasted before. For sure. You were a big cookie guy, huh? when you were a kid. That was a big cookie monster. Uh, were you crunchy or soft cookies? Uh, I actually liked the the fresh baked cookies, you know, the chocolate chip.

Like, so I'd always like, you know, pester my mom to like, "Oh, make me some chocolate chip cookies." Gooey. Yeah. But I would steal my dad's Oreos. He would hide them. Like he he was funny, dude. He was he would always buy things just for himself and he'd try and hide them and he get pissed off if you found them. And I'm like, "Why don't you just buy more so we can all like do the same thing that you're doing, you know, like?" But I would find them and me and my brother would be like sneaking and grabbing his cookies and eating them.

Oreo cookies are the uh preferred treat for children with food allergies. You guys know that. What? Yeah. It's like allergen-free. I know this because I have family members with lots of food allergies. Oreos. And Oreos are like Yeah. Cuz not food. Yeah, I know. Light it on fire and it fire. There's nothing food about it. Is that why you seen that? You could look it up. I mean, it literally it's not food. It's there's nothing food about it. I'm proud I ate Oreos. When you're around kids with food allergies and they bring out treats, like 10 out of 10 times, Oreos is going to be Yeah.

They could probably eat plastic and not have any food allergy issues. I think that's what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. It's cuz there's no dairy, egg, or peanuts. Yeah. It's what what food is lard sugar. It's not even that lard. No, I think look up what is what is an oil. I thought it was lard. There is nothing real about it. There's no animal lard in there. I think I mean it tastes better if it was. Oh yeah, dude. No, it's vegetable oil stuff. Isn't this? Yeah, dude.

I know this cuz I like I said, I have family members. Unbleached enriched flour. Palm canola oil. See, there you go. There's not a single animal product in there. Lame. High fructose corn. Come on, Oreo. Make some lard. Did you guys like the double stuffed ones or you guys stick to the Yeah, double stuff. Do you know what a You know that you know what a uh like talk about a cool business like that marketing. I would love to see I look up uh Oreo's uh like comeback or like business uh ups and downs whatever they did a thing um that I don't know if you guys there there's people that collect Oreos because they run limited runs of certain flavors.

Certain flavors. Yeah. And so they did the most brilliant thing. They made a scare they they created scarcity around types. Really? Yes. I have those. So there's so there's Oreo cakesters confetti cake, thins chocolate ganache. What? And Minnie's peanut butter. Justin. Uh. Oh, that's So they they they have they have uh I'm like dying right now. This is just an I mean I uh we know we know somebody who collects them and actually like freezes them and and stores them. Has like hundred plus. What are you going to do with them?

It's it's like they become like collector type things. Why? What are you going to do with them? I just It's a thing, dude. Probably watch Mad Max and they're like, I'm telling you guys right now, you have to look it up. There's There's all these like they they do these limited runs of flavors last forever. Oreo verse. See, now that pulls up all the weird uh flavors. I didn't know that. Interesting. That's weird. Yeah. You know, you know what people don't do with Oreos anymore? Eat them with milk.

That's not a thing anymore. Like Kit Kats have a lot of weird flavors. Like in Japan, they have like brought some. Yeah, I didn't know that. Really weird ones. Oh, Japanese people love the Japanese culture loves Kit Kats. Ask Ask Doug with wasabi. Oh, bro. Yeah, it's like wasabi. Yeah, there's like there's like sauce flavored like I want you guys to see all these Oreo flavors. There's like literally like a hundred. Maybe they from that. Yeah. I don't know. Help. Doug, do you remember Kit Kats in Japan?

Yeah. Yeah, they're they're popular. Yeah. In fact, I was at like the uh I know at the World Market the other day. They had a bunch of them from Japan there. Yeah. They're like like shrimp flavored. I gross. They always have shrimp flavored something. Yeah. Like they have shrimp flavored crackers and chips. Yeah. Ramen. I would never eat a flavored treat. That's what Yeah. What is that? What is going on? Yeah. Look at all those weird flavors, dude. That's nothing. That's not even I would have Googled uh all How many total Oreo flavors have there been?

That might be a way. Okay, so here's what I'm going to do. I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to do the peanut butter one for sure. I'm going to try the peanut butter one. I didn't even know that existed. They have like red velvet cake. They done the birthday confetti. They've done like how many? Over 240. Collab. I'm I'm in. So I So what why I brought it up was cuz uh you know when we were kids Oreos were a thing or like that, but then they kind of fell out of favor.

It wasn't like a thing that you hear about all the time, but they've recently in the last I want to say handful of years, I don't know the exact timing, have exploded on the scene again. And I I think it's due to they started coming out with all these like limited flavors and additions which caused all this crazy buzz and social media posting and talking about it. And so I I and I'm just curious of like how how it did to the business like did it was it trending a certain way and then all a sudden it just exploded.

Who owns them? What stock? What what are they under? They uh is a Niscoco is owned by a bigger one, isn't it? It falls under one of those uh Monsanto. They're actually owned by Mondles or Mondlay International. It's a spin-off from Craft Foods. Oh, yeah. They used to be Nabiscoco. Uh, but now they're owned by Well, I think there is like two food companies that own everything. No, there Yeah, there's like That's why I was asking. They're normally They're normally owned by one of the big ones that own, you know, 50 of the brand.

You know what sucks? This happens all the time. A a healthy food company will get bought out by the large company and without telling consumers, they'll change the ingredients. That just happened with um somebody was just telling me about that when I was doing eating something, you know. Oh, was it uh those chips? No, not those chips. They make like gluten-free ciiete. Was it CIT? Did they get No, you know what it was? No, it was my toothpaste. Tom's. Yes. They bought out by someone else.

Yes. Oh, yes. Tom's got bought out by one of the big ones, Crest or one of those other ones like that. And then they reformulated. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Now they sprinkled they sprinkled co vaccine in there. I have no idea. I have no idea what I got, but I I was a fan of Tommy for a long longest time and then they ended up getting bought out and someone's like, "Yeah, you know, they changed the formulation out." They do as soon as they get bought out by a big company.

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Look, it's roundt based. So you can hear Adam, Justin, and myself teaching you how to build a better business, get more leads, close more deals, close bigger deals, and be more effective trainers. By the way, our course is nationally recognized. In fact, it gives you 1.9 CEUs with or for your NASM certification. Find out more at mindpunfitnesscoaching.com. First question is from Swezy for Real. Is adding daily calisthenics, 100 push-ups, pull-ups, squats, etc. on top of a MAPS training program overdoing it? Probably. So, maybe depend depends on how you break it up into what program?

Of course, depends on the personal stuff. But here's the deal. When we write a program, we write it with the intention that this is what the person's going to do as their primary form of exercise. Yeah. Uh now we we of course being active on top of it with like walking, hiking, maybe some cardio, totally fine. But when we when we write a strength training program, we write it and the intentions are that's what this person's going to do and they're not going to do anything else.

Now I could pick programs where doing more would be more appropriate than other programs. Like you're not going to do mass aesthetic and then drop a bunch of cal idea. But, you know, like a mass 15 program, if you've got good recovery or you know, you could do that. Combo. You could definitely add it to some of our programs. But, uh, if you get a MAPS program, that's how we write them. We write them with, "This is what your workout is." I mean, it's good you brought this question up because we haven't said this in a long time.

We used to say it a lot when we first started because this was actually really common. We get a lot of people be like, "Hey, I want to do this. I want do that." I actually remember being like a like we get frustrated with like, "Follow the program." So what we tend to recommend to people is like follow the program exactly how it's laid out and then we modify, tweak, add new things. Second time around. Yeah. Second time around. That's the best way to do something like this.

And so if you have a question like because here's the truth like uh the answer could be yes, could be no, could be depends. It's it's it it and it could be yes right now because where you're currently at in your life or no later on depending on what's going on inside of your life. But there's so many variables that make this uh a possibility or not a possibility. The best thing to do is to to trust the programming and that we kind of know what we're doing.

Follow it the way it's laid out. And then if you want to make tweaks to it, then make tweaks to it. Then you have an idea what it's like to follow it exactly as it's laid out. And what happens when you add or take away or change things and you can go like, "Oh, that improved it." Or, "Oh, wow. I got less results this time." That's the way to go about it. Next question is from Brad Barber. Would grade eight be a good program for a 40year-old doing BJJ of all the strength training programs?

Yeah. Yeah. Either the mass 15 or the grade eight. I think the grade eight would be the best. Uh because just one movement, one lift a day and then you do your your everything else around Brazilian jiujitsu. You think like again this kind of reflects a little bit of when we had Cory Slesinger on where where it's like you know in season training. So, if you think of if you're um you know, if you're doing a sport, even if it's like you're just going to practice consistently and you're not in season or you're in season, you know, that type of format is perfect for that.

Yeah, I'm glad you took this. We get a lot of BJJ questions with our programs with that and I actually didn't think about grade eight as being like a nice compliment to somebody who's doing something like that. It's it would be it's great. Uh this is how I mean I've trained clients like this and the other option is to do a few lifts one day a week but this is even better where you do one lift a day even better. Next question is from not not a what is the most important thing when it comes to sleep length sleep quality same wake time same bedtime leading up to bedtime waking up routine for example exposure to sunlight to help with circadian rhythm and any other factors.

So the the the two most important uh quality are yeah quality and length. Okay. So those are two you can't get around those. Now if you want to improve those, the single biggest impact you can make uh is going to bed at the same time and waking up at the same time that that of all the things you can do of course uh you know not talking about the crazy right like drinking coffee before you go to bed or sleeping in a room with the disco music playing or something crazy like the the the if you go to bed at the same time randomly I'm just thinking someone's like in case there's somebody out there doing that in case there's somebody out there that's trying to fall asleep to disco stop Turn it down a little bit.

Maybe stop the disco music. There's no way to sleep with that music. You got to dance, dude. No, but the it's it's of all the things that you hear people talk about that'll improve your sleep. That's the biggest one is you go to bed at the same time, wake up at the same time every single day. That'll have the best impact across the board. I mean, if you've been listening to my journey the last couple months, I've been talking quite a bit about this and I'm tracking it diligently.

And uh I mean I was just I was expressing my frustration last night that I to Katrina that and I haven't checked my score today but I'm because part of that's cuz I know it's not going to be great because I didn't go to bed on I didn't that I the preparing for it like you prepare for a workout or you prepare prepare to start your day every day by brushing your teeth, showering, doing all the things that you do to start your day treating your bedtime like that.

And as much as I know that I the hardest part is actually doing it consistently all the time is just like what was it? Was it TV? Would you were watching a show? Just her and I were up talking and then she was watching her office on her phone and I can hear her laughing and I'm laying in bed and so it's like not like I'm blaming her or anything like that. I was up late talking to her too. We at least weren't watching TV but we were just up.

We were up we were up till 10:45 uh when I finally said to shut it down. And then she on top of that watched TV on her phone for a little bit before she went to bed. And uh the combination of that meant that I didn't get to bed till like 11:30, which is I know if I'm not attempting to be in bed by 9:30 and like like really shut everything down by 10:00, I it messes I I don't get the best. I can get okay, but optimal is having like a discipline routine of like I shut the dinner down by 6:30, 7 at the latest.

Um, no more TV by by 9:00 and then if I'm shutting all lights, everything dark by 9:30. Like, and I and I actually can do that days in a row. I'm I'm the thing that messes people up is they'll think, uh, well, I can get 8 hours of sleep if I go to bed late and sleep in. Technically that's true but then it it's not the same and it throws off your circadian rhythm so that when you try to get back on and typically it happens Friday night, Saturday night and then Sunday comes around you got to wake up early Monday morning and without realizing you've jetlagged yourself.

You just changed your circadian takes a couple days to get back. I have plenty of time to sleep. I don't have to get up super early, right? We don't get here o overly early or anything like that. So, I have plenty of time to sleep in, but I have literally figured out that I have to prepare and be consistent about that time and I have enough length and time, but that my quality isn't as good unless I do those things and and be consistent about those things.

Disrupt it makes a difference. Next question is from Kristen Strazer. Have any of you used BPP BPC57 and TB500? Rain stack. Best peptides that exist in my opinion. It's the best combo I've ever used when you use them both together. So today, if you get BPC, they have a better version. Uh if you go, especially if you go through like mpormones.com, uh this is FDA regulated. It's not research chemical, you know, stuff where you don't know what's in there. They'll give you something called pentad pentadca organate, which is essentially uh a better form of BPC.

and then TB500 or you'll get thymus and beta uh which is the the longer uh amino acid chain uh TB500 is an isolated part of it but that combination for recovery is the best uh muscle quality I get this look to my body that's different um I get uh I I almost I I feel like I get leaner on it and I've been talking with some friends about this and they upregulates the growth hormone receptors on the body so now it's like you've got uh enhanced fat fat burning effects.

Um, it's the best of all the peptides that I've used, and there's a lot of great ones. That combination is my absolute favorite. The most wild. Oh, I It's I've been injured multiple times and used it and been and had injuries that I've done before. And what I've distilled it down to is it cuts recovery time in half. Yeah. In half. M uh and and anybody that I've put on it or introduced it to that has experienced it has noticed the same thing. Uh the two of those they're just it's an unbelievable combination.

And of all the peptides that exist and I've tried most all of them, it's the one that I like feel see a difference. Like it's it's like there's not like a I think I feel this or oh I felt a little like it's yeah it's a it's a difference. you notice the TB500 or the thymus and beta knock down the inflammation and you recover at a a significantly faster rate. Totally. It's mpormon.com is if you're interested in something like that and then you can work with a doctor.

All right, I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. Stop doing three sets of 12 to build muscle and do this instead. You guys want to guess? Stop doing the three sets of 12 and do this instead. Uh, with that intro, my guess is you're going to tell people to change the rep range up to Yeah. 5x5 or low rep range. Do you guys remember when you're going? Yeah. So, um, often times we get stuck in like a set count and a rep count or a range