Are Fat Burners Legit? | Mind Pump 2816

Key Takeaway

Stop wasting money on fat burners—they do absolutely nothing. Instead, invest in what actually works: a good trainer (top 10% only), quality probiotics for gut health, or addressing the root causes of poor movement and inflammation. The best fat loss 'supplement' isn't sold as one: it's fixing your gut health, sleep, and mobility first.

Episode Overview

This episode tackles the supplement industry's biggest scam: fat burners. The hosts explain why fat burners are a complete waste of money, how to find a quality personal trainer (hint: only about 10% are worth it), and which supplements actually have scientific backing. They also discuss unexpected health benefits of medications like Viagra for longevity and reveal how gut health via probiotics outperforms every fat burner on the market. The conversation emphasizes investing in foundational health—movement quality, gut health, sleep—before chasing performance supplements.

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Here's an incredible waste of time and money. It's the category of supplements known as fat burners. If you're spending your money on fat burners, here's what you should do. Take your money, light it on fire. At least you'll get some warmth. It's it's a better way to use it. it. it. I like that. Are they still uh like Doug, if you were to look up like top selling supplements on Amazon, does does fat burners reach the top 10 still? People getting duped. Top category of fat burners.

I I know. Um, I mean I would a hotter take would be uh what's a waste of money would be pre-workout. Yeah. Well, at least pre-workout gives you some caffeine. Well, that's my point. My my you know how cheap caffeine pills are. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, sure. sure. sure. Coffee. Coffee. Coffee. Yeah, just take coffee. And just what? So, take your favorite This is so I'm going to get railed for this one for sure. I'm knowing a lot of heat. The take your favorite pre-workout. Look at the back how many milligrams of caffeine it is.

Go buy yourself some cheap mill cheap caffeine pills. Take the same amount of milligrams of caffeine and tell me if you feel that much of a difference. So, here's where I'll I'll argue with you because um beta alanine uh citrine in certain doses uh you know certain amino acids for recovery um creatine which they'll sometimes put in them does have data uh that supports um their value for athletic performance uh in the gym. gym. gym. So there is some data to support some of it of course in terms of blood flow and all that like yeah there's some some but it's okay but of course the people people like pre-workouts because it's a stimulant.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's the main reason that's the biggest bang right there that you're getting. you're getting. you're getting. But like fat burners waste of money. They don't burn anything. You give them to people control their diets give them to another you know give another group of people a placebo. If you were to classify because there's different classes of them. Like which one do you think would Oh, you put you put vitamins in there. You take vitamins out. Effectiveness, just straight supplements, cuz you're going to get a bunch if you put vitamins in there, you're going to get a bunch of of other stuff.

That's But I I do know that fat burners, the category of of supplements known as fat burners is a big category. Whether it's the top the top the top I used to be for sure. Like it was I mean in our era of being trainers early on oh my god that was like the top three would be uh some sort of Zenadrin fat burn like I mean they were they were all uh they were they were definitely the top by the way even if we go back then um you could argue that uh the fat burner combo that might have had some data to support it would have been the ECA stack the old school ephedra caffeine.

ephedra caffeine. ephedra caffeine. Well yes cuz it's the but it here's what happens when you take those stimulants. You just move around like crazy. like crazy. like crazy. Well, it's more than that. It suppresses your appetite. your appetite. your appetite. Both. You eat less and you move around like crazy. Recipe for burning body fat. I mean, that's what that's why that's why they stuck around so long was that you'll have people that are like, "Oh, no. When I took that what whatever I I definitely was I was losing weight." It's not like the video infographic where you take it and then all of a sudden it's like fats incinerating inside your body.

No. And by the way, even pointing to those those types of fat burners, which you can't buy a Fedra anymore in that way, you could buy a Fedra, by the way. You just can't buy as a fat burner. You can't sell that, but you can still buy it. it. it. But the reason uh why those weren't even great was because the appetite suppressing effects uh wear off and you get really uh adapted to the heavy stimulant effect or load. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To the point where you need it to then feel normal.

Yeah. And then when you go off, you have this period of time where you're lower energy than you normally would be because your body adapted them. You feel like garbage. And so the long-term fat loss effects of even the super powerful back in the day a fedra caffeine aspirin stacks. The long-term effects show no real benefit short term, but then you stretch it out, people gain the weight back and feel like garbage. And then the hormonal effects aren't that great because it's uh it really does produce kind of this uh sympathetic stress uh state in the body.

But today even these fat burning supplements are just uh it's the largest waste of money. Any guesses on on ones that are popular today or scient Doug didn't have a good fat burners? fat burners? fat burners? Yeah. Yeah. cuz I I again I remember like I I wish I remember more names than just like the the Zenadrons and the hydroxy cuts and the the ones that were um um um speed stack. speed stack. speed stack. Um yeah, those were all Fedra. Yeah, exactly. There was other ones though that weren't just a Fedra base.

There was other fat burners that were pyuv were pyuv were pyuv lipotropic transport. Um so yeah, Liposine or something. Yeah, there was like there there's a lot of brands like that, right? I I mean I remember the sales pitch when we used to say oh it transplates the you know the the fat from your your liver and then transit into your bloodstream so you can then convert it off as energy and then burn it as fuel fat cells like in a bus and then like travel travel travel remember drawing that on a piece of paper.

paper. paper. Here's the pyuvate you draw a little bus drop you know it drops in the KB cycle and normally it drops in about 6 to 16 minutes when you take pyuvate it gets there immediately and starts burning fast. fast. fast. This is how they trained us. This is how they trained us to sell the stuff. But no you mean you read the studies. I'm laughing. I believed it. Okay. So, I I believed the the hype when I was Yeah. You read the studies and they're just largely a complete waste of This is true for a lot of supplements, by the way.

Um Okay. If you compare supplements to exercise, diet, sleep, they're all a waste of money. They all none of them come close to those things. Now, if you take supplements to uh fill a nutrient deficiency, makes a big difference, right? If you're and that's the cheap stuff, right? If you're if you're lacking vitamin D, taking vitamin D will will actually feel life-changing. If you're lacking in zinc, it'll feel life-changing. If you're lacking in B12, it'll be life-changing. But when it comes to these kind of exotic supplements, especially the fat burning category of supplements, um I mean, you can you can go ahead and waste your money, but that's exactly what you're doing.

It does absolutely nothing uh for fat burning. Yeah, it's a total waste of time and money. And and here's where it gets cuz some people are like, well, what's the um what's the negative? like who who cares? Like let people take these supplements. I'll argue this when people take a supplement and I'll paint two scenarios. Scenario one, the person is also adjusting their diet and exercising and doing things right. They'll give more credit. If they give any credit to the supplement, it's more credit than is deserved, which takes it away from it.

Yeah. Which takes it away from what's really doing the magic. And then scenario two, they're not doing the diet, they're not doing the exercise portion, they take the supplement, they get no benefit. Um, and now they think something's either wrong with them or they need to take more of it or they need to find more supplements. And so it just moves us away from what is actually effective. I've always argued that if you if you have the throwaway money to do it, then do it. Here's because the the best research around it is the the behaviors that happen when people take supplements.

less about the supplement that you take, the disciplines you get because there's definitely a cohort of people that then are more likely to do that. 100%. 100%. 100%. They took this $70 bottle of whatever. Yes. Yes. I mean, I I know I'm now if you're somebody who is uh you know cannot throw away $300 to $500 a month, then I would tell you save your money. Like like absolutely don't. That's a lot. $300 to $500 a month for supplements. for supplements. for supplements. Yeah. You think people are spending that much?

much? much? Uh bro, you you No, no, no. I'm not everybody. No, I know. I know. But I mean I mean we were I mean I'm not I'm not you. I was spending 300 uh 20 years ago with Bro, you know why you haven't had to buy supplements in so long? You have no idea what they cost, dog. You have no idea. You know, you know what? Like a just a handful of supplement like your a basic supplements would cost so many in a month. They're spending $300 to $500 a month easy.

month easy. month easy. Yeah. If they're consistent easily if you if Yeah. you uh what one one bottle that's for building muscle, one body that's like overall health stuff, one one Yeah. No, you're quickly up to $3 $500 a month in supplements. in supplements. in supplements. Imagine if people spent that on a personal trainer. personal trainer. personal trainer. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You spent $500 a month on a personal trainer. That would get you five sessions maybe. So, one session a week uh or a little more.

Far better. Far better. Far better. Oh my gosh. I mean, are you kidding? Granted, with a good trainer. Yes. Yes. Yes. I mean, not just any coach, but a good one. Yeah. And they're I mean, they're they're out there, but they're also So, my my brother-in-law reached out to me and he's we've been I've been helping him and his wife and uh I mean, they're doing great, right? And it was like I gave him a call and it's it's he's you know, calling me and it's it's so funny.

I he's I've been his brother-in-law for 16 years, but we're just now having this like this conversation and he's like calling Katrina behind like, "Dude, Adam's brilliant. I can't believe all he's like so B I'm like I'm not even so he's like so B I'm like I'm not even the smart one of the group you know you should listen to the podcast we said I said this is I I've just distilled it down to like very simple things for him and his wife follow I said don't think about anything else but these couple things right and it's like hitting hitting his protein intake doing your best to hit whole foods lift weights literally two times I said don't do more I'm going to give you a a Maps 15 program don't do more if you do anything more walk and then do the thing I'm saying with protein right and he's like, "Oh my god, I'm getting stronger." And then so they're they're wanting like the next level, the more things.

And and he's like, and he was he's telling me how his wife is having some challenges with some different things. And I'm like, "Hey, listen, if this is something you guys where you're at in your life or you want to make this lifestyle change forever, because that's what I'm getting, that sense I'm getting from him. from him. from him. I'm like, honestly, give get her a coach for the next five to six months. Like, go hire a trainer one day a week that and and I said, "This is how I want you to do it.

Go to the go to your local big gym where there's a lot of trainers and stuff in there. Go straight to the boss. Go right up to the front desk and go like, "Who's the boss of all the trainers or who's the GM?" I said, "I want to talk to him." And then literally ask for the best. Yeah. The most experienced trainer. I said, "If you do that and you you go in and this is for anybody else who's listening, like when someone ever came in and asked me as the boss that I always if you demanded that, then I know you've probably done your homework or you know what what's going on and so I could I want to make sure that you have a good experience." Otherwise, you get whatever trainer is available to the front based off your schedule.

And then it's a kind of a roll of a dice. Do you get the young kid who's only been training for a year and just and you know what just started or whatever? or do you get the really experienced very knowledgeable trainer uh because you asked for it and so yeah he's he went and did that and you know he's having a they're having a great experience but I still think in your your average gym what percentage would you say would would be you would put on that level of trainer we just had an example of one of our trainers that work for us she takes off leaves moves somewhere else else else now the top trainer is within 2 months is the top trainer at a a high-end very nice place And uh these days very soon and yeah so and I see 10%.

I see I mean that's pretty if there's if there's there's there's that's a good guess. If there's 10 trainers in a gym maybe one. one. one. Okay. So that's so that's why I wanted to bring this up because I think it's important we communicate this because we we do say that a lot like to people like oh you should take that money and invest in a trainer. But I think what happens a lot of times is people might hear that advice or have heard that advice then they go do it and it's just like an all it's like they don't get lifechanging experience.

They get someone who works them out really hard every single time they come in they sweat and they get the motivation piece and they're like okay well that wasn't as life-changing as these mind pump guys had talked about. So I think it's important that you go find that matters for sure. Yeah. Oh, a huge difference because the coaching I mean I know what kind of coach I was years 1 through five versus back 10 back 10 back 10 is totally different the way I communicated health and fitness way I communicated diet the way I train somebody somebody somebody it's what you focused on every Yeah.

Exactly. And that's the part that can be life-changing. And that's not to say that somebody who doesn't have a ton of experience can't give a client a great exper I mean if you were to ask my clients in those first five years they'd say probably nothing but nice things about me. But I'm very aware of my skill set at that time and I know that I I wasn't a and maybe a couple people I changed their life but I think they would have changed their life anyways.

anyways. anyways. I think it wasn't until the back half of my career did I get to a place where I I really knew how to communicate that. And so, you know, I think when you say that we you also have to say go get the the top 10%, you know, which means you have a 90% chance you're not going to have that experience. Well, you'll get a 100% chance your fat burner is not going to do anything. You know, hey, you want to know what's I mean, that's a good point.

Even even the worst trader still better than I'll get back to hurt you. I'll get you back. I'll tell you what, here's weird about what as we're talking. It's so funny, right? We're talking about the category of supplements known as fat burners. The supplements that have actually been shown in data to have some proven, let's say, fat loss effects aren't even in the category of fat loss supplements in the muscle building. either muscle building cuz I'll argue creatine indirect. Yes. indirect. Yes. indirect. Yes. Or health probiotics.

Of course, probiotics are never sold as fat burners. And I'm glad they don't sell us fat burners cuz that that's a whole another regulatory nightmare for them. But pro you look up the meta analysis. Uh we work with a company called Seed that does probiotics and and you know the main benefits of probiotics are health, gut health, skin health, uh mental health, uh like anxiety and stuff like that. And that's all backed by data. Probiotics have a lot of uh supporting data. So, it's it's actually really wellbacked uh category of supplement, especially if you get a good probiotic like seed.

But then you look at the fat burning sub like uh effects or the fat loss effects of good probiotics and they crush every other fat burner and it's not even that much, but they crush it. So, like I looked up a meta analysis and a person who took a good probiotic uh over a 16week period could expect about an additional 1 to 2 lbs of fat loss, which is actually a lot when you look at the category of fat burning supplements, which is usually zero. zero.

zero. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you're looking at a 1 to two pound in additional of fat loss. But I don't think you should take probiotic for fat loss. If you take it for fat loss, that's fine. But the main effects are things like overall health inflammation. Well, you have to explain that because which and I and I think all of us our experience have seen this like how how many times have you had a client who was consistent with their training, ate very healthy or really healthy um and could not see fat loss or building muscle.

muscle. muscle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it was because they had gut issues. And then when you saw when you got to the bottom of their gut issues everything everything everything and then all of a sudden they start internal fighting internal fighting internal fighting they start building muscle and and losing body fat. Well, I'm reminded of that one kind of I guess it's a funny study but it's where they take they transplant um poop from a a healthy fecal transplants fecal transplants and it's it's substantial uh the health markers the person received and that's just altering their their gut bacteria.

The the animal studies on there are wild bro. take obese mice and lean mice and do fecal transplants. In other words, give the the fat mouse, you know, uh, microbiome to the skinny mouse and vice versa. And then they the skinny one becomes fat and the fat one gets lean. I mean, that should tell you a lot. And again to they're not going to advertise, you know, you like, you know, populating your gut with like beneficial bacteria. It's like a fat loss like solution because all the claims, but I mean just in that fact alone, you could see how it would be possible.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, for 100%. Uh it's it's it's funny because the ones that have all the data, what you should do, I think this would be smart for someone if they had the time and they they enjoy doing this stuff. What you do is look at supplements that generally have the most data supporting them for whatever they're they're advertised to do and then look at the data and see if there's any uh positive side effects as a result. For example, creatine has lots and lots of data showed improves increases strength and uh lean body mass, but mostly strength.

All the data shows you're going to get stronger uh for the most part if you take creatine. Most people experience maybe two two more reps on their lifts or five more pounds, which is huge for a supplement. So, we know that we know it does that. The data is like pretty unequ like like it's it's backed. But then look at the potential side effects of that, which is okay, little increased volume. Is that going to contri contribute to more hypertrophy? What is hypertrophy or muscle growth do for metabolic rate, insulin sensitivity, how does that affect fat loss?

So, I think you're more likely to find better supplements for what you're looking for if you just look at supplements that have a lot of data supporting them for whatever they're good for and then what that could potentially uh do for you. All right, real quick. If you love us like we love you, why not show it by rocking one of our shirts, hats, mugs, or training gear over at mypumpstore.com. mypumpstore.com. mypumpstore.com. I'm talking right now. Hit pause. Head on over to mypumpstore.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show.

We also have a brand new workout program bundle. It's the spring bundle, maps symmetry, maps prime in the advanced training techniques guide. All of that together over 50% off. Just head over to mapsmarch.com. mapsmarch.com. mapsmarch.com. Back to the show. Another way to say that too is again to uh really focus on trying to optimize your health first and then the the fat loss and the muscle building part comes. Totally. And it's just not really where everybody approach it is that you know and I think of the same thing on I think the same thing with movement.

Um you know I just had a conversation with my sister-in-law yesterday uh who just came out of surgery and you know uh having major knee problems now. So, she had she had like calf surgery. Uh, and you could see she she's just out of her physical therapy, but she she's walking like an old grandma right now, and she's not. And she is in serious knee pain, low back stuff going on, everything like that. And the doctor is telling her, "Well, it help you lose weight, you know, the cuz losing because she needs to lose some weight." And I'm like, "Well, yes.

Uh, the heavier you are, the more it's going to exacerbate it, but you don't have a bad knee." I said, "What happens? you've been casted for 8 weeks and you lack the ankle mobility and strength in your in your foot and ankle. And I said, "And then and I'm probably also your hip." And I said, "And now the knee is being stressed." And so you going and running or trying to just run the weight off or exercise the weight off is not going to fix the movement problem that you have and the lack of mobility strength.

And so I mean, I I must have said it like four times to her to get it through. She's like, "Well, I just want to do this exercise, these." I'm like, "Yeah, but if you do that and you don't fix this, you're still going to have knee back issues if you don't do that." It's like, that's all upstream from Exactly. It's all upstream. And so, I'm not saying that you you shouldn't lose weight or losing weight isn't a isn't it won't help won't help, but it's not addressing the root cause.

Get get healthy movement wise first and then the other stuff comes. The same thing I feel like works with your gut and diet and and getting your your vitamins and minerals and the things that the macro and micronutrients your body needs. And then the fat burning and the muscle building comes like and so if you if so investing in supplements I 100% believe in that help that so if if you if this some helps you get better sleep it's probably going to help you get better fat loss muscle gain.

Yes. If you're deficient in a vitamin then taking that is could be massive towards that process. But we want to jump to the performance ones right away. We want to jump to the one that builds muscle that burns body fat and go that route. And it's like, you know, and and to your point with the seed probiotic, I mean, that's like getting your gut healthy. Get your gut healthy. healthy. healthy. That's such a root. And then that is such a root for so many people like go fix that and then the other things.

other things. other things. Speaking of things that uh now we're finding have other benefits. So do do you guys know what the category of PDE5 inhibitors are? The medicines. These are Viagra, Scialis, these are, you know, ones that um are becoming like almost over the counter now, counter now, counter now, bro. Okay. So blood flow. Yeah. So what they do is they inhibit uh an enzyme uh that breaks down nitric oxide. So you have more nitric oxide, your blood vessels dilate, they relax and they and you get more blood flow.

Um but these drugs were originally researched for blood pressure. They the side effect uh blood pressure was kind of a modest minor uh response, but everybody was getting boners. So of course they're like cool, this is what we sell. This is way better pressure. Hey, imagine being the person who's like doing the the research and the study and you're like interviewing each patient afterwards like, "So, how do you feel?" You know, I'm just get a lot of boners. Like, how does that come out? Like, they couldn't have been on the list, right?

You think that was like on the on the questionnaire? They can't be on the questioner. questioner. questioner. They're testing their blood pressure and they're like, "Okay, there's a three-point draw like minor. Like, I don't know if there's an effective like anything else you're noticing like, well, my erections are really hard when I like like wait a minute. You can't think that everybody came out and said that, right? Like you're you're with a doctor. He's asking you about blood pressure stuff. pressure stuff. pressure stuff. Well, I bet you back then you can't I bet you a lot of the test participants reported it because if you're in a study for blood pressure, you're probably someone with high blood pressure, which also also also Oh, probably you probably you lack the all of a sudden you're getting them and you're like, "Hey, I'm getting these." That's right.

Cuz erectile dysfunction is much higher. That's a good point. That's a good point. point. point. So it was surprising. So, so that makes cuz you got to think that that it's not on the questionnaire. They're not asking that directly back then. Uh that's kind of a private thing that probably a lot of people aren't going to be forthcoming showing up with one and they're like, "Yeah, that would that would be really funny if like another patient walked in with a boner." I doubt it was like But you're you you hit it hard.

Sorry. This a little tight on your arm. You're right. You're right though. That's probably more like they were so surprised and which show which which was probably why they're like, "Oh my god, we might have a home run here." So they obviously these are super popular medications, but now they're showing showing showing that men that take these uh regularly, even at low doses, reduce risk of risks, heart disease. Like I think we're probably I would say 5 to 10 years away from these being prescribed just for general health.

general health. general health. Okay. I was going to ask you this. Not for sex, but just for general health. health. health. I was going to ask you this. Is so is there blood pressure like yeah just they're not they're not really prescribed for blood pressure. We have better blood pressure medications. They are currently prescribed for sexual performance performance performance like low dose is for prostate enlargement. They show benefit athletes and bodybuilders like it for better pumps. pumps. pumps. Now S is there any sort of downregulation that happens though from taking it?

So is there like so for somebody who's already healthy there's no adverse effects of taking it? No. No. You can get too low of blood pressure, you know, you can get stuff like that, headaches if someone may suffer. These are like common potentially common side effects. But no, not uh not what you're saying. Uh there's now there may be a psychological dependence. This is different where a guy who takes it then feels like if he doesn't take it, you can't association attached and yeah, you got to kind to kind to kind and they they've weeded this out cuz they'll give the guy a placebo make him think he's taking it and then he's like, I'm okay.

I'm okay. I'm okay. So it's not that. So, but the health the potential longevity effects are wild. And the way they describe is like it's exercising your blood vessels. It's keep it's keeping them nice and loose and being able to dilate and whatever, which helps the brain. Uh I think there's a reduction in dementia from guys are taking, but I know blood clots, stroke. Now, this is the reason why this has been able to almost become over the counter, right? counter, right? counter, right? They're healthy.

They're healthy. They're healthy. Cuz they're healthy. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz they're And they're And they're seeing that there's no like real adverse effects of somebody taking it on the regular. the regular. the regular. No. Again, the the main thing you would want to watch out for is a super is a low drop in blood pressure. And then the joke, you know, like if you have an erection loss lasting more than four hours, you know, type of deal. That's pretty rare. pretty rare. pretty rare. And that's because you probably took too much.

much. much. Yeah. Or something like that. That's that's pretty rare. And God, imagine how what a terrible uh like what a terrible uh like urgent care. urgent care. urgent care. Weird, too. Like four hours isn't that big of a problem. Obviously, you could work through that. Four hours could be. It is, but I don't activities. Yeah. Yeah. But I couldn't imagine if like Okay. Cuz in that scenario, it's probably like probably like probably like it's painful. it's painful. it's painful. Yeah. And it's just not going away.

And you're like, "Man, I'm trying to be with my kids, right? Like, what's going on? It's hurting right now. GMI." Well, what are you doing taking it at noon? A funeral. A funeral. A funeral. Cuz if you took it, if you took it at 8:00 p.m. at night, you know what I'm saying? Like, so you got one through the whole night. You know what I'm saying? Like, it could be it can't be that bad. You know what I'm saying? It's like being a teenage boy, everybody.

everybody. everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. What's going on? Right back to that. I'm hanging out with my dad. Why is this happening? I know. Anyway, hey, did you guys So, I wanted to show you guys I brought this up off air. You didn't know this, Adam. It's so freaking cool. I'll have Doug look it up. So, did you know that there are underground tunnels in Vegas that are made just for Tesla cars? Now, this isn't what on the conspiracy thing. No, like it's for sure real.

Yeah. So, Uber drivers used about this when I was there. If you own a Tesla, uh, you can take these. This feels like the Hollywood stars who have all the LA tunnels supposedly they can use. It's No. Look it up, Doug. Look up the video. They built it. Yeah. Oh, there's actual videos. videos. videos. Yeah, bro. You go in there and the car self-drives. It's a tunnel and it goes under the strip. You can go from place to place super fast. So, so if you own a Tesla, you can use it.

Only Teslas are allowed. Only Teslas. There you go. So, the Vegas Loop built by the Boring Company is an operational expanding underground transportation system in Las Vegas using Tesla vehicles to shuttle passengers between stations. It's open in 2021. Yeah, dude. So I uh so curious. so curious. so curious. So yeah, I asked uh my my my wife's family who lives in Vegas and they're like, "Yeah." Like, "Yeah, dude. If you own a like, oh, show this video, Doug, maybe maybe maybe incentive to own one there for sure.

Yeah, I want to see this. I It's It's crazy. I so want to go in it." So they're not they're not just a bunch of Teslas down. It's your your Tesla goes down there. It goes onto a track or something. Is that how it works? It just becomes a self It's the self-driving mode kicks in and you tell it where you want to go. And so there's different stations that you could drive to. So you could bypass like traffic the main like uh hotels on the strip I believe so did these did these tunnels uh exist uh prior to using them that way they built them.

So they actually built them. They actually built them. Wow. Wow. Wow. Think about what a selling point that is. Especially if you're trying to get around big events there too. That was like the only way you could get around. I heard like Well, especially Las Vegas is a pain in the ass. Oh god. Like F1 and all that when that was there. Like imagine, you know, how tough that would be. Yeah. What a pain. But yeah, these they it's like a narrow tunnel. I it's like a narrow tunnel.

I want to see if Doug can speed want to I want to see if Doug can speed up the or fast. Is that Is that where No, but this is part of it. Let me see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't listen to it now. There. There it is. That's what it looks like. It's literally like a like a little tunnel and your car just drives through. through. through. That's it. That's it. That's it. And you end up and you pull and it pulls you out and you're on your station or whatever.

Isn't that cool? Makes you wonder how many subterranean things. Well, I remember when uh you know that we obviously before Tesla I mean it was Elon, right? That was that came out and said like the idea of us like flying cars is ridiculous. It would be far smarter. Go underground, right? What was the other thing that he wanted to make the the speed tunnel underneath? It was like the the vacuum sealed. Yeah, the vacuum one. Yeah. Yeah. That was crazy cuz I thought Well, there's like the fast um that train that's in um Japan that goes like the bullet train.

It was supposedly Yeah. Because it's like electromagnetic. like electromagnetic. like electromagnetic. If you could do that and like contain it in a tube like it would go even faster. Hyperloop. Hyperloop. Hyperloop. Hyperloop. That's that's the one that they were talking about. Yeah. You know that it would create a sonic boom out the other end of the tunnel. So they had to figure out like the aerodynamics to prevent that from happening. Crazy. Yeah. You flying super fast fast fast with those I don't know how 760 m hour.

That's the Hyperloop. Yeah. 760. Holy cow. That's so the the super fast train in Japan does not go that fast. No. No. They go like 200 mph. That's nuts. That's nuts. That's nuts. Have you been on them, Doug? I have. I have. I have. Oh, you've been on a bullet train. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's so great watching everything go by. It's like It's like It's like a blur. It's a blur. Is this Is it smooth? Super smooth. Yeah. I mean, you get some movement, of course.

That's cool. And they're very safe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From what I heard. No. No. No. Is there Is it one train that does that or is there multiple? I mean, they have multiple trains. Yeah. Dude, Dude, Dude, speaking of Japan, dude, you know, I've been watching with my son recently. What? What? What? Old Godzilla movies? Like the ones from the 60s? Those are so fun. My son had got into that for a while. Oh, dude. The old ones. It's like at first I'm like, is he going to like this?

Cuz it's not like CGI. Dude, he's so into it. There's a new uh Apple trending movie. Monarch. Yeah, Monarch. Is that what it is all about? Monsters or something like that. It's got Godzilla in it. He has Godzilla and then King Kong in it. it. it. Did you watch it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How is it any good? Is it good? Yeah, it has Kurt Russell in it. Yeah, I saw I saw obviously I I liked it. Yeah, it's it's entertaining. entertaining. entertaining. I can't get Katrina to watch stuff like that, but I I saw I'm sure the guys have watched this, watched this, watched this, but I was watching it with my son because when I was a kid, I was super into those movies, those Godzilla movies.

And so now I'm watching it and it's like, man, they built little cities. There's a guy in a costume obviously, so when you watch, it's like a dude in a costume. But they built all these little cities and there's fireworks and they're stepping on stuff. And I like, oh man, I've always wanted to like do that. Oh, his crush his crush his crush building. building. building. I think every boy every boy. I know, man. So cool. Jeez, dude. Last night I I my wife moved with such quickness.

I've never se it was a spider. It came out. It was a spider web. The spider came down right in front of us while watching TV. And she got it, bro. She went She swung twice and like jumped and rolled out of bed and ended up in the corner of the bedroom. And she's like, "Get out the bed." to me. Now, I don't move like that because I'm like, "Whatever, I'll probably hurt myself." myself." myself." So, I'm like, "What's going on?" She's like, "Get out the bed quick." But she moved so fast, bro.

Like, I was actually quite impressed. Like, damn, girl. That was fast. Did you get the spider? We did. Oh, you did? Yeah. Cuz then it was in the bed. And I'm like, "Dude, you can't go to sleep with I said a little prayer in my head cuz I'm like, if we don't get the spider, she's totally not going to sleep in bed." Cuz I don't care. I'll go to bed anyway. But yeah, I'm going to go to bed. Oh, I wouldn't even go to bed. Oh, no.

Knowing that knowing that a spider spider bite a spider a spider landed in my bed and I can't find my spider. I'm probably sleeping on the couch. couch. couch. No, dude. I would have slept in there. I just would have moved around like you're darn. darn. darn. But I was too tired. Roll on. But no, I lifted the covers and we saw it and I got to I caught it or whatever. But dude, the way she jumped out of bed from like being kind of like half asleep from watching, you know, I'm like, man, that is impressive.

That is really impressive now at our age is that when we move like that, we don't get hurt. get hurt. get hurt. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Pull a hand in. That's impressive. Like when I thought the fire when there was a fire in the kitchen, I thought I moved quick, but I was slow. My my body protected me, protected me, protected me, bro. Oh, dude. Spiders like when I I think I told you. Oh, you told me. I was like, "Oh my god." So, just the bark.

So, they they live like in I had to like cut down these uh redwood trees on my property and was like doing all the chopping and all that stuff. So, I was like getting rid of like these huge like bark that you just kind of rip off. And on the back side of it, I saw the biggest like non-tarantula spiders. I think it's a redwood spider. I think it's like a and it just was hanging out there and one of them jumped, you know, at me.

I was like I was out there trying to kill it. And thankfully, Dude, it was it's scary, dude. dude. dude. Now, are they sharp looking? That's the ones I don't like. You know, the sharp looking legs. looking legs. looking legs. Big butts. And And you know, when they have big butts, it's like, oh god, I'm in big butt. Not big butt spiders, dude. the hairy like none of that stuff, dude. Tarantulas move slow so they don't they don't bother me. But the other like that would bother me.

Oh yeah, see that's too that's too sharp. sharp. sharp. Yeah, look at the butt. Yeah, I don't like it at all. That makes it got really big. It makes my skin crawl just even bigger than that. Like it it was literally like the whole palm like one of my of my of my uh change the channel, Doug. Yeah. Hey, when you Justin that wood you were splitting, you can't burn that. No, it it's because it's it's not really good quality. Yeah, it's it's like I mean when it splits normally like that, it's normally pretty dry.

dry. dry. Well, it didn't split easy, trust me. Well, I mean I saw you split a couple. I mean the one that worked. I went through quite a few videos before I got a good split. You Instagrammed us, bro. Instagram show you the best. Yeah. I was like I I totally was this weekend. I commented to him and he's like just like I mean he's splitting like a big old piece. I'm like well that's really dry. You should be able to burn that. And I know how he made that comment, but he's like, "That's the only two that split." Like, I swung [ __ ] like hard, dude.

Like most of it. And it just would be like sink in and then you'd see like Oh, yeah. Then it's water coming up and get stuck in there. But the one I saw you split on the Instagram, I'm like, I feel like you could burn that. That took me a long time. Have you seen the axe splitters that put gunpowder in them? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Have you seen those? Boom. Boom. Boom. Yeah. Yeah, they're like they're like axe splitters that are apparently like when you hit it's got gunpowder and it'll split anything.

I have never seen that. Really cool. Is that like relatively I mean I've been I split wood all the time when we were younger or something. I've never heard or seen nothing split wood. I've seen this one. Never split wood. Never once in my life. Yeah. When would I split wood? Like what what would ever why would I ever split? ever split? ever split? You guys ever had fireplaces? Yeah. We buy the logs at the store and we put them in there. I I've never lived.

lived. lived. I actually find that interesting. From a guy from a guy who spends a whole day canning tomatoes, I would think that you would want some wood for your fireplace. Now, Now, Now, Sicilians don't they don't we make tomato sauce, but we don't split wood. There's no This is for what? You know, tell me to tell me. You know, tell me to tell me. It's a power thing. It is. It is rewarding. And there there's a little bit of there's there's definitely a skill to it, too, because if you've never done it and you do Yeah, Rocky did it, too.

How dare you? Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. Seriously. Yeah. Seriously. Damn it. I did grow the beard. Okay. And I did do upside down sit-ups once. But I'm the muscle muscle. I have not. You You've never split wood. Now, you've split wood, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's like a There's a lot of manly things I've never done. What? Mine my knee. You have I think you actually have to split wood in order to come up like a full. Is that what's happening?

what's happening? what's happening? It's a right of passage. It is a right of Well, I'll tell you. You guys want to hear another very unmanly story. My niece My niece called me. She was coming home from the the mall and she's like, "The light on my my dash is coming up and I looked it up and my car is overheating." So I'm like, "Ah crap." So I I drive over there. I'm like, "I don't know what to do if your car overheats. Change the flux capacitor." Yeah.

I'm like, "I know that we got to look for some fluid. I'm pretty sure I shouldn't open if it's hot." I remember hearing once you did that. that. that. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. So I just show up. You know, it's my niece, right? So I show up and I like I I open the hood as if that makes it different. Open the hood, walk around. That's good though. Yep. It's not working. Looks like I did tell my son though like because uh Courtney had left and and my my other son was like competing in St.

Louis. So I'm there just with my youngest and and he wanted to watch, you know, the inappropriate movies and like Yes. So we got inappropriate like super violent. Okay. Yeah. You're not watching like We've already watched all John Wick like just me and him. Uh but we watched Cisu. It is the second one. one. one. Did you know there's a second one? Yeah, it just came out. I've been wanting to watch it cuz you didn't watch the first one. The first one was great. Yeah. So, there's this one part where he has this like crazy big like the second one's as good, huh?

And um you know, and it's kind of broken down. It's like overheated and so he just like grabs it with his hand like and like opens it and then like pours water. I'm like, "Okay, so you don't want to do that." Like normally that steam didn't come up and he's going to freaking burn. freaking burn. freaking burn. I literally like FaceTiming my dad. You know what I mean? I'm a I'm a grown ass man. I'm like, "Hey, what do I what am I looking at?" He's like, "That's the wind.

That's the washer fluid." So, not that one. Like, what about this one? Yeah, that's a Anyway, turned out to be okay. It was just a light that wasn't working. working. working. Oh. Oh. Oh. So, it wasn't really overheating. Oh, so she just pulled over cuz the light was saying Yeah, but it wasn't actually overheating thankfully. thankfully. thankfully. Oh, yeah. You would know. It would be It's normally You can hear it. Yeah, but I don't know. What? What am I hearing? You know what I mean? Does it sound right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I can't talk anything either. I I would have just Hold on. I called Coach To be there in five minutes. That's That's pretty much what I did. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. Oh, we did the money jars, dude. Oh, you started it. We did. Okay. You did it last night for the first time. time. time. Okay. Yeah. Cuz it's going nowhere for me right now. Oh, really? Oh, really? Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just What do you mean?

What's he doing? Well, I mean, it's uh it's I'm I'm introducing it. Uh but what I found is like certain concepts um you know, he takes two and and and they've been great. There's been so many great things that I've gotten from F uh Fig and Eagle. Eagle. Eagle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. uh from you know uh from Scott's group and that has been just amazing and we we use and and I did I did uh switch it but I mean example yesterday um I'm like hey I'm going to wash mom's car you want to wash it make some money I'm good dad okay so so he's not like really mo I I separated them I explained what they were and that we were going to give money to people that go in this one but you know uh but I mean one of the things I've learned about my son is uh I just you know I introduce something and then I just kind of wait and then on his terms like there'll be a right time when like I I'm sure what what I haven't had yet is yet is yet is there hasn't been a thing that he really wants and so I think when that when that happens I can go hey well let's work towards yeah let's work towards it and then and then that's how he did last time right so that's how it started was the I told you clean the toilets for $10 each and so that so um that was that was the beginning of that that's what motivated me oh let's start the jars and let's start doing it but I Right.

So, so for people aren't familiar, you do three jars. One is donate, one is save, and one is spend. Invest. Invest. Invest. Uh, well, uh, save or invest, right? Invest. And so, the way we communicated is whatever you put in the save or invest at the end of the month, I will double it. So, we're going to double whatever. So, I explained this to So, he really made me proud, you guys. So, I showed him this. I said, here's a one donate. This is where you give whatever money you put in here is the money you can give to people who you want to give it to.

people you love or people who need it or whatever and then the money you save will double it and then this is the money that you can spend and you can spend it whenever you want but you probably want to save it up a little bit and then whatever. So I said, "Where do you want to start first?" And he had five $1 bills. So I said, "Where do you want to start first?" And he goes, "Donate." I said, "Okay." "Okay." "Okay." He saw your son.

He put $2. He So he So your son, I taught the opposite. I go I go, "Every time we get $10, we'll put $1." It's still good. I mean, it's still good. It is still good. good. good. But I didn't give them any numbers. You were like, you let him do whatever he want. You're like, just give all our money away. So, well, I want him I wanted just I just wanted cuz I I was going to give him like, you know, 10%. But I said, you know what?

I'm just going to let him pick. pick. pick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I said, "How much you want to put in there?" And he goes, "I want to put $2 in there." So, I'm like, "Oh my god, I'm only leaves you with three." So, he put two in there. He put two in invest and one in spend. Okay. Okay. Okay. And I'm like, now here we don't know. He's your son. Well, we'll see. This is the first time because let's see when he gets to the point when he wants to spend money and he realizes he realizes he realizes those jars have way more money.

Well, that's what I So, we'll see, right? But here's the other part that made me like my heart so warm. So, we put the money in there and then there was more money that we had. He has a little piggy bank. So, we did it again and he goes, "Can I take this five?" He had a $5 bill. He goes, "I already know who I want to give this to." I said, "Who do you want to give it to?" He goes, "Nana." That's my wife's mom.

So, I'm like, "You want to give this to her?" He goes, "Yeah." So, he wrote like a nice little card. We put it in the ne. mailed her $5. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. I mean, isn't that so great? Now, again, we'll wait and see when he's ready to spend and he realizes he's got way more money than the other. Yeah. Know, I mean, you're kind of where I'm at, right? I've introduced it and we did kind of the first like thing of it and like really there hasn't been any movement on it.

I' I've been waiting for like something that he wants to come so I can reintroducing it or I can so I can reintroducing it or whatever. whatever. whatever. But um yeah, right now I'm trying to explain if dinosaurs were before man or man or not. So, Oh boy. Oh boy. Oh boy. Ready for this one. I on that on that uh topic cuz I know you're have you're reading him the he's looking at the old uh the kids Bible stuff. stuff. stuff. He's read the whole thing, dog.

He is super into it. 700 pages. 700 pages. 700 pages. It's that many pages. It's over 700 pages and he's blown through it in less than a month. Wow. Wow. Wow. And the only reason why it took that long is cuz daddy got a fatigue. Wow. Wow. Wow. I was just like I this can I get a break? Can daddy get a break? We We'll do more later. We'll do more like Yeah. 700. That's not including the other ones that he's he's having mom read and do simultaneously and she's deferred that one 100% to me, dude.

And so, uh yeah, we would have burned through it even faster. That is so cool. Yeah. Yeah. So, we're we're actually there's there's five five pages left that that I again stopped us last night. I'm like, "Tomorrow we'll finish this officially." And so, we've officially gone. gone. gone. And that's all Old Testament. Oh, it's the whole thing. Full book. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So, it's but but at the amount of uh questions and and he's asking good questions. He's Yeah.

Yes. He's asking deep questions and and wants to know details and and challenging anything where he he sees or hears discrepancy and just I'm like, "Okay, that's so cool." Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty wild. So, uh Wes Huff who's a now he's a famous uh apologist. So he he he's you know he's a expert at apologetics which is the this is this is where you argue in favor of the Christian faith using reason and historical evidence. Okay. So is that the definition of an apologetic? Yeah. So it the root word is apologia which means uh defense.

So it's presenting a defense but using reason, logic, and historical evidence. Okay. Okay. Okay. So it's like a very intellectual way. And so you're not really talking about the metaphysical supernatural. you're talking about the historical evidence and here's why and here you know and so he's and he's really good he was on Joe Rogan which blew him up y y y and now he's on uh Diary of a CEO and that guy asked him some really good questions uh and one of the questions he said he said you know how can you trust and Wes Huff just hit this so well he goes you know when I was a kid he tells a story goes when I was a kid I remember my grandmother giving me money he goes but I don't remember how much money she gave me I don't remember what it's for I just remember she gave man.

He goes, "How can you trust these books that were written, you know, 40, 50, 60 years after, you know, Jesus?" And so Wes Huff explained it so well and he said, "Do you remember what you were doing on September 11th?" And he's like, "Oh, yeah. I was coming home from school." And this guy said, "So the event and the profoundness of it really affects your memory, number one." And he goes, "Uh, and number two, uh, those," and I didn't even think of this, so I'll ask you guys this.

When you were kids, how many phone numbers did you have memorized? Oh, yeah. Like five or six of my friends at le I mean you a lot. I could I could have told 15. I knew every one of my friends phone numbers. All my family phone numbers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And now how many probably remember? How many phone numbers of anybody you know? Do you know any of our phone numbers in here by heart? No. No. No. Yeah. So Yeah. So Yeah. So only one I know is my wife cuz she gave me so much flack after 10 years of being together that I didn't know her phone number.

number. number. It's for getting credit at like the gas station. You know I need points. I always need points or or Safeway. Put my number in. Yeah. Or the Safeway Safeway discount or whatever. Yeah. So, so in though back then, uh, things were passed along through oral tradition and they were constantly repeated and they were confirmed. It wasn't like one person telling one person. It was like a group of people, no, that's not what happened. Here's what happened. And then over and you're just con you're always telling this over and over and making it as accurate as possible.

So, it's not like me remembering something from the past because now we rely so much on written evidence and records that we don't even have to think about like phone numbers. I don't remember any of his phone numbers. I don't have to. But back then, this is how they recorded and remembered things. And so he was explaining. I'm like, "Oh, that's makes a lot." a lot." a lot." Yeah. But don't you make the argument the other way too, though, that like with with storytelling like that that like the telephone game, cuz there's an example of that where So that's exactly what he brought up.

Oh, he did. He did. And so he said the telephone game, if you recall, has rules. You have to say it to one person, you whisper it, and you can't repeat it. So that's not how they would tell historical uh events back then. Right. Right. It' be a group. There'd be lots of people. Yes. And it would be retelling it and having to be accurate. Be some person who witnessed it, saw it, tell it to a group of them. Yep. And then they did write it down.

And so, um, I thought that was really good. good. good. In his background, he's really like an expert on, uh, historical texts, too. So, yeah, like Dead Sea Scrolls like, and he can actually read Aramaic in a lot of these like old languages, uh, and translate it. And so this is where he actually got his rise of fame because he literally like uh was on a debate with Billy Carson destroyed his entire career in one podcast. Uh mainly because it was hard to watch. Yeah. It was it was rough but at the same time it was like you see a clear definitive difference of somebody who's like very well educated and you know evidence-based versus like you know there's there's definitely information out there that you can pull from.

But if you don't have the the way to discern through that information then you know that's a problem especially if you're an authority on these texts. Yeah, it was it was really he does such a good job. He's such a smart guy, too. He's great on Sean Ryan, too. Diary co does a really good job. He's a really good interviewer. good interviewer. good interviewer. He's a really good interview. Yeah, I I watch a lot of his stuff now uh and have for a while now. He's my favorite are actually when he has like two or three people on and they have like discussions, like discussions, like discussions, debates and discussions.

Yeah. Yeah. And he and he does it kind of in a debate kind of format, but it's actually he doesn't do it I shouldn't say it's like a debate format. It's done in a in a a good conversation. Instead of pitting the two people against each other, he controls it. I mean, I've always thought you'd be a really great moderator like this. This is why I've always wanted uh and I would I think we I would totally step out of this like to have two or three people that I think totally disagree in our space and allow you to control and discern like let keeping it cordial so the audience really gets the best of it because I know what like what we see a lot of is like this like this like this you know and viral videos of people talking about other people's video in a negative way.

It's like so drama is stirred up and I've never wanted to do it that way. I've always wanted to do it the way Dyrus he does it in such a good way that it's like we can bring opposing views on here but have a great You know what's crazy about what you're saying, Adam? There's so many people that do such a great job arguing until they're invited to debate. Yeah. And then it turns and they don't want to show up. Yeah. They don't even want to show up because they know their argument is based off of sound bites and this sounds good, but being challenged uh in a real debate format, they get they just get destroyed.

So, a lot of people like they get challenged get challenged get challenged and they don't want to they don't want to go debate because they know that they just it doesn't hold. Yeah, there's holes there. Total holes. Yeah. Uh Doug, I want to ask you about um you've been using the Zotic. Uh, no. Uh, what was the product that you were using that? It's the one that converts the fiber sugar to fiber product. So, I haven't used it for a while because I only had so many of them.

But the time I did use it, uh, I think one of the the key things I noticed from it was great regularity as far as it converts carbohydrates or starches to fiber. fiber. fiber. Yeah, I'd love to get some more of it actually. actually. actually. That's amazing. I have yet to try that. So, explain what what's happening that's unique or different to it than like I when I normally eat uh carbohydrate, it's getting converted over into glucose and then you utilizing as fuel. I take this this this Good, bro.

That's a good question. They're modifying bacteria to do um to do things like convert starches into fiber. into fiber. into fiber. You ziotics product. That's right. Because they're the ones that modify prob uh probiotics. And so, it converts starches to fiber. Correct. Correct. Correct. And you take it before you eat. Yes. Yeah. You take I think in the morning is when you take it. Now some carbohydrates already have fiber are fiber like say berries and stuff like that. They're loaded full of fiber and they're would be considered a carbohydrate.

So it takes things that like uh like potatoes and stuff like that and it's going to rice and converts the to higher fiber. Is that cuz they to fiber? to fiber? to fiber? All fiber. All fiber. All fiber. Yeah. Well, I don't know what percentage. Let's look at So, what it does is it takes uh unused sugars and converts them into fibers. Wow. Wow. Wow. So, I'm pulling up the uh the details on it right now. So, and you take it before you eat, Doug. Doug.

Doug. Yeah. Again, it's been a while since I've had it, so I I don't recall exactly. exactly. exactly. I wonder how that so I wonder how that gets uh changed in a in the in the context of a calorie surplus versus a deficit. So, does that mean in theory that you could be in a slight surplus and then that food that was extra sugars? sugars? sugars? No, I don't think it turns it into an insoluble fiber. It still makes it it's still a soluble fiber if I'm not mistaken, but it should change the glycemic index.

It should load. It should change should change should change the digestibility. the digestibility. the digestibility. Yeah. Digestibility, uh, your insulin response. It should change all those things because it makes it slower digesting. digesting. digesting. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Interesting. Maybe I'll mess around with it. I wonder if I would see if I could see anything. see anything. see anything. Let's have Zotic send us some because a bunch and I haven't yet I haven't really really really especially considering I know that like like sugars uh in particular like make my psoriasis flare up more and so I wonder if that like if and if that has more to do with my gut and digestibility and that's why it doesn't is so cool right so they have their their pre-alcohol drink which converts takes a a bacteria and modifies it so it breaks down acetalahhide so you drink take it before alcohol alcohol alcohol that's what they're most famous for feel feel feel But the the science that they're working on is on uh bacteria.

How can we modifying bacteria? modifying bacteria? modifying bacteria? Modify bacteria to do things uh that we want them to do. And this is the next one which is turn genuine sugar into fiber. fiber. fiber. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the sky's is the limit with with with I mean we should all we should all get some and then do a little test with it for a while because I mean remember how blown away we were by the the alcoholic drink? I mean the pre-alcohol Yeah. The pre-alcoholic drink.

I mean that was like all of us were like holy crap. Only thing I've ever tried that actually works. works. works. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm I mean curious to if any of us notice any sort of different I mean Doug says he noticed a difference. So, here's how it works really quickly. It's a genetically engineered probiotic designed to turn sugar from your diet into fiber in your gut. It produces an enzyme called Leavon Sucrace which uses excess dietary sugar to create rare Leavon fiber gently and continuously throughout the day.

So, you just take it in the morning. Oh, wow. And throughout the day, uh, it'll be doing this conversion. And the thing, like I said, I noticed about it was more regularity. So, better gut health, basically. Better gut health. Is it also like in a liquid form or is it pill for? No, it's just a powder. Oh, powder. Powder. Yeah. Oh, it's a powder. Um, if I recall, you know what? You know what? They have different flavors, too. They have have have You know what I would be interesting interested in to see CGM readings if it changes that?

Test that out. Eat the same food and then see if affects your blood sugar. That's right. That's right. That's right. I mean, it would have to. Yep. if that's what it does, wouldn't it? I would imagine. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, that's wild. that's wild. that's wild. I know. I know. I know. This guy, they're they're doing some pretty interesting stuff over there uh with bacteria. with bacteria. with bacteria. Well, I remember when we first we first talked and the the pre-alcohol thing was not something that they were super passionate about.

It was just a low hanging fruit. hanging fruit. hanging fruit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like it's alcohol is such a popular thing in our society. It's an it's it's something that we can show a massive help. And so it was the thing to get them really going and funding to do all the other. I remember that they they they had a bunch of stuff that they wanted to do that we couldn't even talk about that they were more excited about than that. It was like just low hanging fruit was what how he he position.

What does that chart say, Doug? It says four key benefits. What's it what's it showing there when you scroll down? Oh, let me see what you're looking at here. here. here. Yeah. What is that showing there? Yeah. So it delivers up to 10 grams of fiber per day from sugar you already eat. eat. eat. So an additional 10 grams of fiber. Yeah. more fiber diversity, uh, gradual delivery of fiber throughout the day and the diversion of intestinal sugar. sugar. sugar. I mean, it would be really cool for like I mean, how many times you guys had clients that you that were had irregular stools and then you would tell them like, "Okay, I I had like bump your fiber." fiber." fiber." Yeah.

I'd have a go-to like I want you to eat two cups of berries, do this. Like I'd have them like specific foods I'd have them do just to get them regular. I wonder if that same client they took something like this all a sudden would see a difference or not. Yeah. So, uh, this may be interesting. So, it breaks down sucrose to glucose and fructose, then uses the fructose to build fiber, diverting it from downstream fatty acid synthes synthesis. Oh, technically, it definitely then should help with insulin sensitivity.

Wow, that's fascinating. Let's uh let's have them send us some more because I'd like to try it. Yeah, I'd like to test out all kinds of reviews, huh, Doug? Oh, tons of them. Yeah, tons of tons of five star reviews on it. Wow. Interesting. Yeah, I want to I want I want to play with it a little bit. See See, we should all do like a little test run on it and see what happens when we all with all of us because we all eat a little bit different and see if we all can feel or notice a difference.

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Back to the show. the show. the show. Our first caller is Zach from Maryland. What's up, Zach? How you doing? Hey, what's up, guys? Good, man. Good, man. Good, man. Uh just just I just want to start out by saying thanks for everything that you guys do. uh means a lot to all normal guys out here that uh don't have a podcast. podcast. podcast. Yeah, appreciate it, dude. Thank you, man. Um Um Um I'm just going to kind of read my uh question so I don't get all jumbled up here.

here. here. You got it. Um I'll be turning 40 in July. Um and I want to stop focusing so much on the scale in the mirror. I've been stuck paying attention to the aesthetics for too long and haven't really seen much of a change. change. change. I want to shift my focus to something more meaningful more meaningful more meaningful and just don't know what direction to go. Um I'm a normal guy, wife, two kids, one more on the way in May. Uh work schedule that starts at 6:30.

So, uh, I'm currently running maps 15 performance. performance. performance. Um, you know, time time matters. You guys all have kids, you understand. Um, so I don't know. Like I I used to I used to have a 405 deadlift uh probably about 15 years ago back in my horrible CrossFit days. CrossFit days. CrossFit days. Um, so I don't know if like should I get back to that or should I go be, you know, like Adam, go be the mobile guy, the mobility guy for a while or should I just try and get really strong at different lifts, you know, the odd stuff that, you know, you don't really not the minimal three, but like the, you know, like Justin did the overhead press, you know, should I get really strong at that?

I'm just kind of trying to figure out a direction to go and figured you guys could help out. Good question, man. How old are your kids? Because you got one on the way and then you got two. How old are the two other two? other two? other two? Uh nine and well, one will be nine in March, one will be five in July. Oh, good for you, man. And then when's the when's the baby due? Um May 16th. Good for you, man. All right. So, so you you've had you have two other kids, so you know what that that whole season looks like.

looks like. looks like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you do you enjoy working out? You've been pretty consistent with it. Yeah. So, I've been really consistent the past, I'd say three three or four years. I've been listening to you guys for since like 2017 or 18 and kind of wasn't, you know, my daughter was born in 17, so you know, the ups and downs of a new baby. Uh, I wasn't as consistent, but I have been pretty consistent, you know, at least two, three days a week.

Um, I usually combine like the maps, the 15, I combine those into one day, the two days into one day. Um, it just works better. Um, so I've been really consistent the past like, like I said, like three years maybe stretched to four, but before that it was kind of like hit or miss. That's great, dude. Um, that's really good, man. I I'd say considering um the context of what's going on, your work, support your family, new baby coming, uh, the best answer I could give you, uh, because the thing that'll get challenged is going to be your consistency.

That's the number one thing that's going to get challenged. challenged. challenged. So, I would say pick whatever you think's going to be the most fun for you. you. you. Really doesn't matter. like which one is the one that's going to make you want to go to the gym because that's going to think that's going to be the thing that's going to be the most important especially for the first you know 6 months year uh of a new baby and you're you're you're you start early at work you you know so uh that's the most important thing so it really doesn't matter dude uh I love that you're now focusing on the mirror and the scale uh and focusing on performance that's a much better direction so I'll ask you like what gets you like right now what do you think would be most fun would it be getting strong would it be mobility ility, stamina, that deadlift again.

Yeah. What what would be the most fun for you? for you? for you? Um, I think the most fun would probably just to get like really strong. Cool. Cool. Cool. Honestly, I think that would be fun. I think the deadlift would be cool. That would be more of an ego thing like, hey, I can lift 405 again before I'm 40. But I think the most fun I'd probably have would be doing doing some different lifts that are that just get me strong. Good. I love that.

We'll send you Math 15 powerlift if you don't got it. That'll be your program. Math 15 powerlift. Awesome. That's it, man. Zach, are you training at a you training at home or in a gym? I train at home. I have like a full rack. I have, you know, landmine stuff, dip station. Sweet. I have about I think about five or so 100 pounds of plates. My dumbbell selection is a little bit lacking. Um, but I make do with with what it is. I have bands, I have chains, I have I have a good variety of You're set up, dude.

That's awesome. I The reason why I was asking because I, you know, we we we get in we a lot of us are all guilty of this of getting so focused on like the the goal uh of lifting and the programming and the results thing. And it's just like, you know, a lot of my thoughts around this has shifted a lot as I've gotten into my mid-4s and have a kid and a family. It's like the things that are like really important to me is that my son sees that his mom and him work out.

You know, that that's just part that's part of our lives and we eat whole foods and and sometimes it it looks like uh we're training really good and consistent. Other times it looks like we're focusing really good on the eating healthy and and like that that's all that's that's what this is about, dude. Like uh what you you know what I'm saying? Like what you decide to chase after in the gym. It could be one of our programs. It could be getting good at the Turkish get up, but it's man man when you got three kids or two and one on the way.

Like to me it's like you modeling that you're winning, bro. You Oh, yeah. They come They're down there with me all the time, man. They are they are down there watching. They're, you know, they're trying their own little things here and there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. Um Yeah. Um Yeah. Yeah. That's everything, dude. you you model you modeling it and and and and always just kind of focusing on that that we're I we get in I go in the garage and lift some things and you know mom and dad uh cook the meals at home and we eat together like man that's that's everything right there bro that's it man that's it 100% and just what whichever one makes is the most fun for you right now cuz that's what's going to keep you consistent through the process and that's bro that's everything that's everything that's everything we we uh we actually real quick we had our uh our baby shower was last weekend and we um I went down real quick before the baby shower and hit a couple of, you know, trigger sessions real quick.

And my daughter, my daughter, the nine-year-old, she came down. She said, uh, she said, "Why are you working out before the shower?" Like, like just getting a little pump, you know, just getting little blood flow. She's like, "All right, hand me my fives. I'll do a real." real." real." So, yeah, that was real funny. Like, but but they're down my both my kids are down there. If they're not playing with toys, they're they're trying to do pull-ups. They're trying to mess with the suspension trainer. They're They're doing doing doing You're winning, bro.

Good for you, dude. You're You're winning, dude. Yeah. Good for you, man. You're a blessed man. Good for you, dude. Yeah. Just that's it, man. Just we'll send you that program. Just have fun with it, dude. dude. dude. That's going to take you way further. Yep. Yep. Yep. Awesome. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. All right, Zach. Give it up, brother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think if people approached um uh their training with like, what's the biggest challenge going to be for me? Like, you know, you know, okay, I'm super consistent.

That's never going to be a challenge, but injury injury is my biggest challenge. Well, then maybe your goal would be something that would uh take care of injury, right? Um but for most people, it's just joint health. health. health. For most people, especially when you get a new kid, like it's so hard to be consistent with all that. It's like what's going to get him to go want to go work out? The the goal that's going to make him go want to work out is probably going to be the best goal because it'll keep him most consistent.

Yeah, that I mean that was kind of where I was going with my question was just getting to like this dude's working out at home. Like literally you could do terrible programming. You know what I'm saying? Like saying? Like saying? Like as long as long as long as he didn't hurt himself. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you And what I mean by that is that uh he's already a strong pretty strong guy. He's really he's he's plenty strong. plenty strong. plenty strong. He's already been working out.

He's plenty consistent. You know, he's got a gym at home. It's like, man, this is this at this stage of your life. Um yeah, enjoy it and let your kids see that you enjoy it. And it's it sounds like he's doing a great job. And sometimes we can overthink this uh especially if you're trying to move away from aesthetics and scale stuff. It's like if you're really trying to do that then then let it go. Let it go. It doesn't you know you're doing a good job.

If he's eating whole foods and try and eat making their meals 90% of the time and he's lifting as consistently is it really doesn't matter at this point. Like and if you it it's different than someone who comes in and says I have a specific goal. I want to lose body fat. It's like, okay, well then we can get into that nuance, but you're winning as a dad if your kids are seeing you work out every every other day consistently, man. man. man. Our next caller is John from Kentucky.

What's up, John? How you doing, guys? Good, Good, Good, good. How can we help you, man? Well, I'll just uh start with the email as most people do. I said, uh, hello, guys. First of all, I want to thank you for the information that you guys put out and the way you put it out there. So many people like to make things sound so complicated and I really appreciate the the simple way you guys put it out so us folk can understand it. Uh backstory time.

I'm 47 years old, 6'4, 322 lbs, down from 380 at my heaviest. Uh it's been several years to get there. Uh yo-yo back and forth on and off. Uh so type two diabetic. I am on uh Monsurro uh more for the diabetes and the weight loss, but my doctor keeps pushing me to try to get my dose up. Uh I'm currently on 7.5 milligrams weekly. It's the the auto injector, all or nothing. Uh do have low testosterone. I was sub 100 when we found out about it.

They put me on 200 milligrams every other week. Uh levels come up to about 404 average. So, I've talked uh my doctor into putting me on 200 milligrams weekly. And after listening to um your uh MP Hormones podcast the other day, uh I've decided to start even breaking that up and doing the Monday, Thursday like uh like he had suggested on that video. So, doing the 100 on Monday, 100 on Thursday. Just started that this week. So, I can't really tell you how well it's working for me, but hopefully it it works a lot better than what this has been.

I am a stage three rectal cancer survivor uh with a stage one reoccurrence almost two years later luckily um you know uh they were able to catch that reoccurrence super super early so it allowed for a surgical procedure that didn't leave me with any kind of a permanent uh uh colostomies or stuff like that. So um definitely thank God for that one because uh I was struggling with that one. So, I'm an athletic trainer at a local high school here, uh, where I live. Uh, job's not always physically demanding, but there's lots of standing, lots of moving.

Uh, and I've always been, uh, always been the fat guy, always been the fat kid, and started to stop more times than I can count. Uh, kind of tired of it. Time to make a time to make a change. Uh, sorry I waited so long in life to do it, but I got to do it. So, uh, looking around on Spotify for a podcast on fitness over 40, and I found your episode about the best workout, diet, and supplement routine for men over 40. I wrote everything down, started doing everything to the letter.

Um, as with most knuckleheads, I decided to add a third day to it instead of doing the two days. Um, and is what it is, right? More is better, right? Um, so, uh, after 10 weeks of that, which we're at 12 weeks now, I'm making good progress. At least I was. Ended up with a pinched nerve in my neck. My doctor, that's my medical director here, confirmed that uh yesterday. Put me on some highdose steroids and some muscle relaxers. Doing a little bit of PT with a buddy of mine to kind of hope to get that uh lined out pretty quick, as quick as I can, and get back into to doing everything.

My nutrition isn't perfect. I work some crazy hours. Uh do the best I can with trying to eat whole foods. um doesn't always work. Sometimes, uh Subway is the best I could do that day. Uh or, you know, unfortunately pizza. So, I'm averaging about 2600 calories a day, 160 grams of protein, 236 gram of carbs, 121 grams of fat. Um so, I was losing with the pinch nerve, I was losing some actually a lot of strength in my left arm as far as the triceps go.

uh having pain and and muscle spasms in that tricep. Uh didn't know if I was overtraining or if it was the pinch nerve. Then to find out it's the pinch nerve. I probably overtraining a little bit too with not enough calories would be my guess. But um elbow kind of kicks out, gives out uh when I'm trying to do any kind of chest or tricep exercise. So uh started to go backwards on that. Really kind of hit me a little bit. Uh, I was doing so good that uh uh that that that backslide kind of hurt me there a little bit, but uh I just I want to know your guys' opinion on what I need to do now.

I mean, obviously after I get this pinched nerve under control, where do I need to go from here? Yeah, you're doing pretty well. Um I mean, the the the black and white answers and and by the way, in your email, you said they wanted to up your dose of Mjaro. Yes. Yeah. My doctor keeps trying to get me to to push that up and I keep fighting her. As a matter of fact, I've got an appointment next week and I'm I'm going to tell her I want to going to I'm going to tell her I want to drop back down.

I want to drop down to the five uh the five milligram to get off the 75. It causes so much GI problems with me. Um it it just it it really hits me hard. I when I take it at the beginning of the week for the first, you know, two or three days it's miserable, then it kind of gets better, but then it's time to take it again and I'm just tired of the the GI problems with it. with it. with it. Is it is it uh constipation, diarrhea, is it acid reflux?

All of all of the above. above. above. Uh it's it's diarrhea. It's um uh just nausea, that kind of stuff. Okay. I will I will tell you too though, just so you know, that most likely, at least in my experience, the um Subway sandwiches and the pizza will exacerbate that for sure, too. Just so you know, like it definitely does not do uh well on foods that your body doesn't digest easy. It definitely makes all those things really, really difficult. So, my clients that that have struggled with this, helping them connect those dots that, hey, it's like when you're taking that stuff, it's even more important to eat super clean.

And if you don't, you're going to end up you're going to end up paying for it. You could take um you could try you could try psyllium husk fiber uh and and you take that with each meal and often times it makes a difference. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. With with the GI stuff. Okay. So, I mean, here's the thing. You want to be consistent with nutrition. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. And maintain that. Uh and then as far as workout is concerned, I can send you one of ours so you have something to follow.

But you know, also just taking a back a step back, John, you said this is something you've been just cycling uh that's challenge you've been dealing with since you were a kid. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Your best bet is I I don't know if it's uh if it's feasible for you, but working with a coach is going to be your best bet because it's going to be a bit of a process. So So you know, we have really good coaches. You would work with them and what they would do is they would take you through step by step.

So they'd start you off with nutrition. and they look at what you're doing. We'll start tracking, make adjustments as we go along. They'll also make adjustments to your workout programming where you could send, you know, videos of your technique and your form and then just continue to coach you along the way. Uh because it is going to be a bit of a journey. I will say I think you're doing a great job. Yeah, you got the hormones down. Uh looks like you've already lost uh like 60 pounds or something like that, which is really good.

You're you're moving in the right direction for sure. uh which would make you a really good candidate for now taking the step and working with a coach. And I think six months of coaching would be uh super transformational uh for a guy like you. I think it would be very very very transformational. transformational. transformational. Also really good timing with you getting the TRT up cuz 400 is still low. Now you're going to end up you're going to end up being higher than that now which is going to be so nice.

And that's and and if you do hit those macros, if we can hit those m those are good macros. Uh your your the numbers you gave. If we can be consistent with that, TRT levels up, following good programming, real good, consistent programming. Yeah, you you should uh you should start doing really well. So now that doesn't mean we won't have tough weeks and backslides, but that's what the coaching and what S's talking about is in those moments and those times that the the coach who's just like, "All right, this is what I want you to do from here." Probably the biggest mistake uh clients do when when they're on their own with this is hard swings one way or another.

either you're doing really really good or ah you have really shitty bad eating and bad bad couple days or like that and and sometimes that's uh overcommitting yourself to too much too soon at certain stages. So that and this is what good coaching looks like is that that consistent conversation where it's like you know as a coach I can see okay there's a couple things he's doing here that I don't want him doing but I don't want to tell him to stop all that stuff. I'm going to have him just focus on this one thing, right?

And let's get better at that. And then this and that that's what it looks like is just attacking one one thing that's going to make improvement and then another thing that's going to make improvement. You let the coach determine that. Yeah. And the coach determines that for you to help you stack these wins so it doesn't feel like this pendulum swinging back and forth really hard where it's like like like just to give you just so you know that the hard swings uh part of the reason why it's it's a hard swing to the to the good side is because you feel like crap about you know what just happened.

I just fell off. if I just ate a whole pizza, whatever. Then you swing real hard in one direction and then you hate it and then you swing hard uh in the other direction. And so, yeah, yeah, yeah, several times I've let, you know, a bad day or two bad days or or something just kind of kind of sabotage that and I'm like, well crap. And then, yep, yep, yep, you know, here we go. But, uh, and and you know what, here's the deal, too. Like, too.

Like, too. Like, uh, feeling crappy about yourself in that way only makes it all worse. And this sounds logical, by the It's a, you know, you probably understand this up here, but here, but here, but but, but, you know, getting through the process and feeling it, you know, in here, here, here, uh, makes a big difference. So, I I'll give you this advice right here. You, the coach will be very effective the more honest you are and the more you turn to them. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay. So, what you don't want to do is keep from them the the little mess ups. Keep from them the challenge. Keep they tell you like, "Look, I don't want to do that." Be honest with them. That'll allow them to coach you in a very effective way. And I think in 6 months you'll be you'll be you'll be huge difference. huge difference. huge difference. Huge difference. You'll have some definitely some physical changes for sure, but just the mental place you're going to be in very different in 6 months and it'll be it'll your odds of success, consistent success will go through the roof.

Uh so so that's essentially what you'll be looking at. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Uh you want somebody to call you? Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'll talk to somebody. somebody. somebody. All right. I'm gonna have someone call you, John. Um and I'll let them know what we talked about. And then I hope to see you in there, dude. dude. dude. Yeah. Sounds great. All right, brother. Be good, man. Yep. Appreciate you guys. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. I just want people to know, too, like listening like uh it's it's very easy for us experienced, you know, fitness guys to tell them the right answers.

Of course, that's that's not hard. That's easy. The hard part is like, okay, now we got to do it and we got to do it consistently and then, oh, you messed up. What do we do now? And you know, you're looking at, you know, for a guy like this with what what he's gone through, you know, between 6 months to a year of that real transformation where then it's like, you know what, I can do this. I got this. I can do this on my own.

own. own. Well, and I'm so glad you said what you said with uh the last piece of advice of being honest with your coach because a lot of the success or the failure of this is hinges on that. That's right. If he's really transparent and like, "Man, that was really hard to do those things or I really like that or I, you know, I screwed up and I did this thing." A good coach will be able to see that and go, they work with what you tell them.

Yeah. And then then I know it's like, "Okay, I gave him a little too much. They can anticipate. I did a little too much too soon. Let me just have him do this." And and then we start stacking wins and then I can add another thing. And so then and getting that and that's a six month to a year type of journey. What happens sometimes, often times I would say, uh, is the person does well in the beginning, then they start messing up, they hide it from the trainer, the trainer, the trainer, right?

right? right? Or they tell them and then they get sick of telling them that they messed up a bunch of times, so they hide it and then they stop seeing the coach. But it's not because they don't like the coach, it's because they're like, I just don't want to deal with this. I don't want to be that that failure or whatever. So, you just got to keep turning to them. Keep turn. They'll be way more effective if you do that. Our next caller is Rebecca from Florida.

Hi, Rebecca. Hi, Rebecca. Guys, I'm huge fan. So excited to be here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for calling in. How can we help you? Uh so my husband and I are starting our first cut. We've been um on a bulk. So we both like I to give you a little background. I started weight training about a year ago. Got in a big accident. Was had to kind of change up my routine. So started weight training for the first time. Fell in love with it.

Started doing a bulk to build up my muscles. So been doing reverse diets. We listen to your advice all the time. Kind of working out every day, four, five to six times a week. Now we want to start a cut and wanted your nutrition advice, workout advice. We're thinking about changing our workout routine to about three days a week our training and um kind of doing more full body. We did the pushpull legs and then a variety of other exercises. So want some advice on that and some advice on nutrition.

All right, Rebecca. First off, I'm going to ask you why you want to do a cut cuz I'm I'm I'm You look amazing from me. Yeah, you look like you're at like low 20s body fat percent. Like what what do you want to try to get to? Well, like I've gained 10. So I I've gained about 10 lbs. I'm about a 22% body fat, but I've gained about 10 lbs. So I'm feeling like what do I do next? I don't want to like keep gaining, but I want to make sure that I like Where are your calories Where are your calories at right now?

So I don't track that. Okay. Okay. Okay. I feel like I've been super hungry since I started. That's such a good That's you getting getting getting No, I eat a lot. Like I you know, we try to keep up our protein goals, but I don't we don't track macros or calories. So, Rebecca, how what what's your what's your husband's body fat percentage at? Did he test this? He is now at 21. So, he gained he went from 175, he went up another 10%. And then the also question is, we love working out together.

We're really busy. We have three kids. This is our time together. Can we be doing the same or should we be doing the same workout? Your workout's fine, but okay. So, here's what I'm going to tell you. I don't think you should go on a cut. He could go on a cut. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Your your body fat percentage is low 20s. You're 22%. I can see that you got some muscle. That's a healthy range. You're you're 50. If you go on a cut, you're not going to like the way it feels at all.

Uh in fact, the better way for you to get leaner is to keep building muscle. building muscle. building muscle. Yeah. Especially if you're getting the signal that you're still hungry. Feed. You'll actually get leaner easier. Yeah. You'll get leaner easier if you just focus on building for you. Yes, if you start to cut, what'll probably happen is you'll lose some muscle, hormones are going to go not that good, and you're not going to be very happy. So, I would have you continue on the reverse, and you can slow it down if you want and just try to keep building muscle.

Uh I don't know where your husband's calories are at, so unless they're low, uh then then that would be different, but but if he's at 21, how low? We both try to eat. I mean, we have three kids, teenage kids. We have big dinners, but we have a lot of protein. We eat a lot of meat. Okay. Good. Good. Good. key is. So, what about the fitness of what about the um training routine? So, we've been doing like five days. We were thinking about doing now cutting it to three days full body.

body. body. I love that anabolic map. Adding some like cardio on on the off days like on two days. Love that. Love that. Love that. That's perfect. That's perfect. That's perfect. Love that. Maps maps anabolic with the the cardio on the off days. Yep. Yep. Two days a week. Justin actually bought me Muscle Mommy. Muscle mommy maps. Yeah. 15. But I can't figure out how to get it into the routine that I'm doing. Why don't I just send you the the original muscle original muscle original muscle longing would Yeah.

Probably be better fit. fit. fit. Yeah. The original working out of three, you know, a few days a week, the trigger sessions you do your cardio. Yeah, that's it. I'll send you that program. You follow that. Uh, and your husband can follow along if he wants to change some of the No, give him muscle. Give him maps anabolic. And you guys can both be working out at the same time doing similar stuff. It's a different programming, programming, programming, but put him on anabolic. He but put him on anabolic.

He can run a cut. You stay the same. And so is there Okay, since you don't track uh should we track? I mean, well, I'm not going to I never would force a client because you you especially as great as you look and you're doing such a good job, but I I'd ask a little bit deeper questions about your like if you were to tell me what's our bad thing like do you are are you are do you if if you're not eating perfect, what does it look like?

Uh our bad thing is not food, it's drinking. So we're trying to not drinking during the week. Okay. They get like wine with dinner and Okay. So, okay. So, here's my advice to you. If you want to see yourself lean out a little bit, try and replace the alcohol calories with meals. So, instead of instead of drinking instead of 160 calories of the wine, have a meal like a real small. You're not having 160 calories of Nobody has 160 calories of wine there. This guy do you have one?

Do you say, do you have one two one 2 oz glass of wine? No. No. I'm sure you have four or 500 calories worth of wine which is normal when someone's having a nice night of drinking. So that Katrina and I enjoy that everyone. But if you want to see your body change a little bit more without tracking doing that, do your best to replace the alcohol with a good meal. A good balanced meal with the way your metabolism going, the way you're building muscle. You will build more muscle.

You will lean out if you can do. And listen, I'm not going to tell you to do it forever. Just do it for me for a couple months and I'll show you what that that your body. And guess what? when you build the more by switching that for a little bit, building the muscle, your metabolism go up, then you can get away with more of the alcohol later on and still keep a better body. So that so if that's your thing, uh it sounds like you're doing a lot of the other things right and I and I bet the extra protein uh that you your body will need will fuel that building muscle.

That would be it. That's all I would change. That's enough. And you told me enough right there to go that little tweak for a couple months will not only lean you out. You'll see yourself your waistline probably come in and you'll build muscle and you'll look amazing. Your husband could probably go a little bit on a cut on anabolic. You guys will be awesome. be awesome. be awesome. You can cut the alcohol, not replace Marcelo from your team. I gave him got some nutrition advice. He had a call with him who gave him some advice on like how to like look at food with using your hand and it was really helpful.

Okay, good. There you go. Perfect. Portions. Yeah. Portions. Yeah. Portions. Yeah. Yeah. You guys you're that's it. You're set. set. set. Yeah. But S's right. I would not put you I wouldn't put you on a cut at all. Doesn't make any sense. And that and that especially since you tell me too you have these crazy hungry. Your body's trying to build. It wants to build more muscle. muscle. muscle. You'll run the risk if you try to go on a cut of losing muscle and ending up with less muscle.

Same body fat. What you don't want to do is lose because I've worked really hard to gain muscle. muscle. muscle. No, you you will. Keep going in that direction. If you just replace the the extra calories that are coming from alcohol with meals with pro high protein meals, you'll you'll build muscle and you'll lean out. Do you do you guys recommend a three meals a day or like eating more frequently with in between? Personal preference. Personal preference. Personal preference. Yeah, it depends. It's personal preference, but keep this in mind, okay?

It's really hard for both men and women to hit their protein intake with like three or less meals. It typically takes at least it is it's hard to get that many grams of protein. Uh unless you guys you're you're eating 10 ounces of meat every time you eat. It's hard to get enough protein each time, especially early on breakfast meals. That's where most people have the hardest time. So four meals to normally looks like a good good spot, you know, with with balanced protein uh is is a good spot to be at.

Um if you do less, you just got to keep in mind that you got to really eat a a big portion of meat to make up for that protein. So, and if you guys were to ever track anything, that would be the thing I'd have you track first is just just see if you're hitting your your grams of protein uh every day consistently. And I bet I bet if we were to just track that and watch that because you get some of these empty calories from alcohol alcohol occasionally, if anything's low, it's protein.

And I bet if you bump that up, you'll see more muscle come on and you'll lean out because those are just empty calories. They're not doing anything for you other than en enjoyment. But I'm not going to tell you that forever because I bet I if you like that I like that Katrina and I Katrina loves wine. I like having a nice glass of whiskey. I absolutely balance that in my life. But when I'm trying to make some changes that goes aside for a little bit, give me a couple months of running it and making good choice and it makes a huge difference.

Huge difference. difference. difference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're f the fitness routine changing it from the five days to the three days of weight plus the two days of of of walking is you're good with that? Yeah. You'll probably get stronger. You're going to get you're going to get stronger and you're going to build muscle. It's going to be great. Yeah. Yes. You're going to build. Awesome. Well, I wanted to thank you guys so much. You have helped us both both uh personally in our relationship by starting this together professionally.

I run a small company that trains teachers and we've I've started like with hard behaviors with children and started introducing some of this wellness to them and it has changed the way that they walk into their classrooms every day. I listen all the time and a lot of what you share I try to share with the teachers I work with and it's been super helpful. So guys guys guys really been lifeanging. Thank you. Got it. Thank you so much. Keep it up. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Yeah. I got to say I'm just going to just people listening. If you're a woman over the age of 40, you've been strength training, your body fat percentage is in the low 20s, don't go on a cut. Don't go on a cut. You're going to get negative effects from it almost always. Listen, I don't care 22% lean. I don't care what you age, what age you are as a female. This is what we're experiencing. I experienced with Karen right now. right now. right now. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Our our body fat percentage was too low that our our like before we started seeing the results we want to see, it needed to be up to see. That's right. That's right. That's right. It's like the most and you've been saying this for a very long time. Most there's always exceptions to the rules, right? But for the majority, most women do better in 19 plus% as far as the results. See, and in and we've talked about that. You you you recently talked about this with uh just being mind-b blown about uh where I just came in at high body fat percent.

A body with more muscle on it at higher body fat percent looks way better than you would think it does. Just a a skinnier body. So if she puts on puts on puts on 5 lbs of muscle, she'll look 3% lean. Even if her body fat percentage stays the same. That's what I mean. Even if she stays the same, she puts 5 lbs of muscle on, she'll look 3%. And so, and and be eating way more and healthier, stronger, healthier, stronger, healthier, stronger, and that faster metabolism then gives her that flexibility then to have that glass of wine air in there and be okay.

Our next caller is Angela from Indiana. Hi, Angela. Hi, Angela. Hi. Hi. Hi. How are you? Thanks for having me. You got it. How can we help you? Okay, I'm just going to read my email like most people do. Okay. Um, says, "I'm a 47year-old permenopausal mother of three teenagers. I'm a recovering long-distance runner, um, fo goer, own Orange Theory Fitness, um, and Beach Body workout person. Um, I work a full-time job and two part-time jobs. I have been working out consistently for the last 18 months, but really haven't noticed any changes in my body.

I'm reaching my protein goals and sleeping 7 to eight hours per night. I have done muscle mommy twice and anabolic once in addition to other nine non mind pump workouts. I would love your help to actually see changes in my body. Um I also have recurrent tennis elbow in my right arm. This has caused me to avoid workouts for up to 6 weeks in the past and then I get an injection and it gets better. Um just uh any any recommendations on how to prevent this in the future.

Okay, cool. So when you're doing our programs, are you doing anything else on top of it like cardio, like any other exercise? exercise? exercise? So, for the most part, no. Just walking. Try to get 8 to 10,000 steps in a day. On the days I do a workout, it's probably closer to like 7 8,000 steps, but on the days that I don't have a workout, then I make a leisurely walk my workout for the day. Good. And then when you say for the most part, what do you mean?

Um, I did try running again a little while back, but I've stopped it since because I was just tired of not seeing changes, but I've stopped that um probably about 6 weeks ago. Okay. So, you're just you're just you're just burning the candle at both ends with full-time, two part-time, you got three teenagers. three teenagers. three teenagers. Uh you also have a history of just getting after it. Seems like that's your your MO. your MO. your MO. Uh one of our MAPS 15 Uh one of our MAPS 15 programs would work better for you.

You would get better. You would get much better results uh with something like that. that. that. Um do you work? I had a feeling you were going to say that. that. that. Yeah. Do you work out in a gym or do you work out at home? Right now, I work out at home. Good. Oh, good. Good. I'm going to send you you like muscle mommy type style. I can I can send you math 15 muscle mommy. Yeah, that'd be great. I'll send that to you. Do that.

Maintain the walking. Keep hitting the protein and getting good sleep and I think you're going to start seeing some good some good progress from that. And as far as the the permenopausal thing, uh are you doing anything on the hormone side? You got somebody checking and watching that. Is that all good? Yes. So, I uh start Well, I have a gynecologist. Uh we started looking into it last year. I've actually been on hormone replacements since about September. September. September. Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, it's perfect. Yes.

Okay. Cool. Perfect. Yeah. You're just you're just doing so much uh that you need the the dose of strength training needs to be less. less. less. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Okay. I do plan on cutting back my jobs at some point in time, but I have twins in flight school and so my husband and I are trying to pay off their flight school loans for them so they don't have a lot of debt. Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow. Wow. Very cool. No, no, the the 15 program.

So after MAPS 15 muscle mommy, if you feel good on it, which I think you will, then go to the next uh MAPS 15 program, Mass 15 Symmetry or Powerlift or traditional MAPS 15. I think that protocol is going to give you great results. Are you uh are you tracking calories or anything right now or you have any idea where you're at right now? No. At the beginning of the year, maybe a couple times a year I do. I'm normally between like 19 and 2100. Yeah.

Yeah. Just really low for a lot of activity you're doing. So that you're not too bad. Uh you're probably going to want to bump another 100 to 200 calories and then drop to that 15. And I bet your body responds better to that. So for as much act if you're getting 8 to 10,000 steps every day and you were trained that much and the jobs and every that's a lot. Um and so you were probably just your body is stalled. Here's the thing though when you come out of this be patient because some it takes a little bit of time for the body to kind of reset get healthy again and then it'll respond.

So what it looks like a lot of times you'll start to feel better right away as far as like rest and just energy and like mood all those things will start to improve. And then what will start to happen slowly is strength. you'll start to see strength go in the gym. And then what comes after that is is the body changing the results. So just be patient. It takes a minute for the body to kind of reorganize and say, "Oh, I'm being fed again. Oh, this feels good.

Oh, here. Let me reward you. You're getting stronger in the gym." And then comes the aesthetic results. So just be just this is the path. This is what you need to do. Trust the process. Um and then and but just know that just know that it takes a minute to to for it all to get going. Don't abandon it. and go, "Oh my god, this isn't enough. I need to start doing more stuff." Because then you'll just go right back to where you were. you were.

you were. Yeah, that's kind of why I reached out because like I said, I've been trying to do it for 18 months. Um, obviously getting older. My husband's actually very fit. He goes to the gym frequently. My all all my kids are sons. They all like run, they go to the gym, they do all kinds of stuff. And so, you know, I just I kind of want to I want to look like I work out. I don't have to obviously be like a Beach Body competitor.

I've had twins. My stomach is a disaster. I understand all that. But I just want to I want people to look at me and look like I take care of myself. myself. myself. Yeah. Have you uh have you considered joining our muscle mommy group? We have a group of women that's and a lot I'd say good half of them are are menopausal, parmenopausal, going through very very similar stuff and it's incredible community and weekly coaching and help uh along the way. Yeah, I've thought about it obviously trying to pay off my kids student loan.

I was we try to be mindful of how much we spend right now. Yeah. Yeah. Why don't I get Yeah. Yeah. Why don't I get you in there for a month for free? You could you could you could you could balance after that, but just get some advice. advice. advice. Oh, that would be great. All right, we'll send that to you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And you're doing good. Yep. You're doing good, hun. Be Yeah. Be be kind to yourself. You got a lot of fun.

Well, I appreciate you all. I listen to you all on my walks typically. Yeah. You're doing good. And I I really do think that's just too much. So, I think within a week or two, you should start to see strength gains. And that's when you know you're moving in the right direction. Yeah. I want to be strong Yeah. I want to be strong as I age. Good. Good. Good. You will. You will. All right. So, we're gonna send you a maps 15 muscle mommy and then we're going to get you in the muscle mommy group for for 30 days for free so you get some advice.

Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you. You got it. All right. And I think people need to realize just like uh how much all the life stuff affects your body's ability to adapt to exercise. exercise. exercise. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. You got to factor that in. But it's hard because it just seems like that's your normal, right? But but that's stress. That's right. Well, and and and also in the context of age, how low your calories are, that stuff, it just hormones, kids. hormones, kids.

hormones, kids. Yeah. It's uh it's redlinining your engine with no oil in it or gas. It's like it's eventually going to shut down on you. Um and then that's frustrating because you're still stepping on the gas uh hoping to go somewhere and you're not going anywhere. And and then also then being patient when you start to do the right thing because the right thing it takes a minute for that body to reset and get back to where it needs to be to start to show the results.

And that what happens is most people hear that advice and it makes sense logically for them, but then they don't see the change quick enough and then they bail on it and they go back to old habits. All right, I know you like that episode. If you did, check this one out. Walking. It's one of the best things you could do for your health, bar none. But there's a better way to approach it. Yes, you can just walk, but if you follow the right protocol, it's far more effective.

Let's talk about talk about talk about walking. I can't wait to hear your walking protocol. walking protocol. walking protocol. Well, there is a Well, there is a protocol. So, and I'll start with the first thing, right? Cuz just first off, uh let me start with this. One of the reasons why walking um is such a great form of just activity is because it's low risk of injury. Now some