Alex Honnold: Inside the Most Dangerous Climb Ever Broadcast

Welcome to Rich Roll Live. Welcome to Rich Roll Live. Please welcome your host, Rich Roll. Hey everybody, my name is Rich Roll. I Hey everybody, my name is Rich Roll. I am your host for uh what is shaping up am your host for uh what is shaping up am your host for uh what is shaping up promising to be a very special live promising to be a very special live promising to be a very special live event with Alex Honold uh before a live event with Alex Honold uh before a live event with Alex Honold uh before a live audience that we're also live streaming audience that we're also live streaming audience that we're also live streaming on YouTube. This is our first uh on YouTube. This is our first uh on YouTube. This is our first uh experience doing this in our Los Angeles experience doing this in our Los Angeles experience doing this in our Los Angeles studio. So, thank you everybody for studio. So, thank you everybody for studio. So, thank you everybody for showing up. Uh welcome everybody. showing up. Uh welcome everybody. showing up. Uh welcome everybody. Welcome to the audience who's here right Welcome to the audience who's here right Welcome to the audience who's here right now and also to everybody on YouTube who now and also to everybody on YouTube who now and also to everybody on YouTube who is tuning in. Uh, I have so many is tuning in. Uh, I have so many is tuning in. Uh, I have so many questions for Alex. I know all of you do questions for Alex. I know all of you do questions for Alex. I know all of you do as well. This is our opportunity to ask as well. This is our opportunity to ask as well. This is our opportunity to ask him everything that's on our mind and him everything that's on our mind and him everything that's on our mind and see what he thinks about stuff. So, see what he thinks about stuff. So, see what he thinks about stuff. So, without further ado, let's just welcome without further ado, let's just welcome without further ado, let's just welcome him to the stage. THE GREAT ALEX HOLD. ALEX, I WANT TO START OUT um with asking ALEX, I WANT TO START OUT um with asking you about uh how how the experience has you about uh how how the experience has you about uh how how the experience has been for you in the aftermath of this been for you in the aftermath of this been for you in the aftermath of this climb because it really created this climb because it really created this climb because it really created this unbelievable unbelievable unbelievable water cooler monoculture moment which is water cooler monoculture moment which is water cooler monoculture moment which is very difficult to do in 2026. 6. Uh, and very difficult to do in 2026. 6. Uh, and very difficult to do in 2026. 6. Uh, and in reflecting on it, uh, it made me in reflecting on it, uh, it made me in reflecting on it, uh, it made me realize that all we needed was this guy, realize that all we needed was this guy, realize that all we needed was this guy, you to go out and climb this crazy you to go out and climb this crazy you to go out and climb this crazy building to, uh, remind us that what building to, uh, remind us that what building to, uh, remind us that what unites us is more powerful than what unites us is more powerful than what unites us is more powerful than what divides us and, uh, to inspire us with divides us and, uh, to inspire us with divides us and, uh, to inspire us with what is possible. But it really did what is possible. But it really did what is possible. But it really did create this an unbelievable wave across create this an unbelievable wave across create this an unbelievable wave across the world of of of just fascination. Uh, the world of of of just fascination. Uh, the world of of of just fascination. Uh, and what was that what has that been and what was that what has that been and what was that what has that been like for you to experience that? like for you to experience that? like for you to experience that? >> I mean, honestly, I was sort of >> I mean, honestly, I was sort of >> I mean, honestly, I was sort of insulated from all that. I mean, you insulated from all that. I mean, you insulated from all that. I mean, you know, I missed the live event on Netflix know, I missed the live event on Netflix know, I missed the live event on Netflix cuz I was too busy going climbing. And cuz I was too busy going climbing. And cuz I was too busy going climbing. And then the next day, we flew home and then then the next day, we flew home and then then the next day, we flew home and then went right back to our two young went right back to our two young went right back to our two young daughters, basically having two crying daughters, basically having two crying daughters, basically having two crying babies that aren't sleeping very well. babies that aren't sleeping very well. babies that aren't sleeping very well. Uh, you know, I was like, "Oh, I don't Uh, you know, I was like, "Oh, I don't Uh, you know, I was like, "Oh, I don't know. I kind of missed the whole event know. I kind of missed the whole event know. I kind of missed the whole event part of it. I just had a great part of it. I just had a great part of it. I just had a great experience climbing and then went home experience climbing and then went home experience climbing and then went home and went tried to go back to normal and went tried to go back to normal and went tried to go back to normal life. life. life. >> Uh going behind the scenes of it, uh I I >> Uh going behind the scenes of it, uh I I >> Uh going behind the scenes of it, uh I I want to talk a little bit about like the want to talk a little bit about like the want to talk a little bit about like the the plan versus the execution or the the plan versus the execution or the the plan versus the execution or the expectations and and and the reality. I expectations and and and the reality. I expectations and and and the reality. I remember uh we ran into each other in remember uh we ran into each other in remember uh we ran into each other in New York City like a handful of months New York City like a handful of months New York City like a handful of months ago and it was before like this was even ago and it was before like this was even ago and it was before like this was even announced and and we were kind of announced and and we were kind of announced and and we were kind of chatting about I was like, "Is this chatting about I was like, "Is this chatting about I was like, "Is this happening?" and you said yes and and I happening?" and you said yes and and I happening?" and you said yes and and I said you know what what is your sense said you know what what is your sense said you know what what is your sense what's the degree of difficulty you know what's the degree of difficulty you know what's the degree of difficulty you know around this event and and you were like around this event and and you were like around this event and and you were like pretty cavalier about it like I got it pretty cavalier about it like I got it pretty cavalier about it like I got it handled uh but I want to know what it handled uh but I want to know what it handled uh but I want to know what it was like in the days leading up to the was like in the days leading up to the was like in the days leading up to the climb uh with the rain and all the you climb uh with the rain and all the you climb uh with the rain and all the you know all the people around you like this know all the people around you like this know all the people around you like this this it's well within your skill set but this it's well within your skill set but this it's well within your skill set but also like there's all this other stuff also like there's all this other stuff also like there's all this other stuff happening around you at the same time. happening around you at the same time. happening around you at the same time. It was kind of one of those classic It was kind of one of those classic It was kind of one of those classic things like you sign up for well I'm things like you sign up for well I'm things like you sign up for well I'm sure you know you sign up for triathlon sure you know you sign up for triathlon sure you know you sign up for triathlon or something like it'll be fine it'll be or something like it'll be fine it'll be or something like it'll be fine it'll be fine and then as the date starts to get fine and then as the date starts to get fine and then as the date starts to get closer you're like what if it's really closer you're like what if it's really closer you're like what if it's really hard like what if it's not fine like hard like what if it's not fine like hard like what if it's not fine like what if what if I can't swim that well what if what if I can't swim that well what if what if I can't swim that well or whatever and so I think in this case or whatever and so I think in this case or whatever and so I think in this case I was I was kind of like oh it'll be I was I was kind of like oh it'll be I was I was kind of like oh it'll be fine it's not that hard I sort of like fine it's not that hard I sort of like fine it's not that hard I sort of like superficially sampled it was like okay I superficially sampled it was like okay I superficially sampled it was like okay I can do this that's good enough and then can do this that's good enough and then can do this that's good enough and then I showed up there for the actual thing I showed up there for the actual thing I showed up there for the actual thing and and it turns out conditions had kind and and it turns out conditions had kind and and it turns out conditions had kind of changed in between the scout like the of changed in between the scout like the of changed in between the scout like the building was much dirtier was coated in building was much dirtier was coated in building was much dirtier was coated in this soot that uh from the fireworks this soot that uh from the fireworks this soot that uh from the fireworks displays as they do at New Year's. But displays as they do at New Year's. But displays as they do at New Year's. But so it was kind of like bicycle grease so it was kind of like bicycle grease so it was kind of like bicycle grease like smeared all over the holds. So I like smeared all over the holds. So I like smeared all over the holds. So I was like, "Well, that doesn't help." And was like, "Well, that doesn't help." And was like, "Well, that doesn't help." And then it basically rained the whole week then it basically rained the whole week then it basically rained the whole week and I was like, "That doesn't help." And and I was like, "That doesn't help." And and I was like, "That doesn't help." And then I was like, "Oh, it's a little bit then I was like, "Oh, it's a little bit then I was like, "Oh, it's a little bit stressful." But I mean, I was still stressful." But I mean, I was still stressful." But I mean, I was still confident I could do the climbing. It's confident I could do the climbing. It's confident I could do the climbing. It's just I kind of need some things to line just I kind of need some things to line just I kind of need some things to line up. And so the the rigging crew, some of up. And so the the rigging crew, some of up. And so the the rigging crew, some of the the crew that was involved with the the the crew that was involved with the the the crew that was involved with the filming helped clean a bunch of the filming helped clean a bunch of the filming helped clean a bunch of the route. So it was like quite a bit route. So it was like quite a bit route. So it was like quite a bit better. And then the weather got good. better. And then the weather got good. better. And then the weather got good. And then it all sort of worked out fine. And then it all sort of worked out fine. And then it all sort of worked out fine. But definitely for a moment I was like, But definitely for a moment I was like, But definitely for a moment I was like, "Oh, it's, you know, it's all a little "Oh, it's, you know, it's all a little "Oh, it's, you know, it's all a little intense. You're so low-key about this. You're so low-key about this. >> Well, the other thing is that >> Well, the other thing is that >> Well, the other thing is that >> I mean, here's the thing. Like, I >> I mean, here's the thing. Like, I >> I mean, here's the thing. Like, I because Adam Skull was there and he was because Adam Skull was there and he was because Adam Skull was there and he was reporting back to me like what was going reporting back to me like what was going reporting back to me like what was going on there. Like this I knew that there on there. Like this I knew that there on there. Like this I knew that there was this grease on the building that the was this grease on the building that the was this grease on the building that the these fireworks had laid, you know, had these fireworks had laid, you know, had these fireworks had laid, you know, had put this like sort of syos on the put this like sort of syos on the put this like sort of syos on the building and that they were doing their building and that they were doing their building and that they were doing their best to clean it up, but like that's a best to clean it up, but like that's a best to clean it up, but like that's a real problem, you know? And when I saw real problem, you know? And when I saw real problem, you know? And when I saw like the black on the bottom of your like the black on the bottom of your like the black on the bottom of your soles when you were doing the climb, soles when you were doing the climb, soles when you were doing the climb, like that was that was terrifying to like that was that was terrifying to like that was that was terrifying to see. Yeah. And not not crazy. I mean, so see. Yeah. And not not crazy. I mean, so see. Yeah. And not not crazy. I mean, so most buildings are dirty like that just most buildings are dirty like that just most buildings are dirty like that just from like urban air pollution from the from like urban air pollution from the from like urban air pollution from the the stuff coming off cars and, you know, the stuff coming off cars and, you know, the stuff coming off cars and, you know, soot and whatever. And so normally when soot and whatever. And so normally when soot and whatever. And so normally when you climb buildings, it is kind of gross you climb buildings, it is kind of gross you climb buildings, it is kind of gross and you always get a little bit dirty. and you always get a little bit dirty. and you always get a little bit dirty. In this case, it was like really dirty In this case, it was like really dirty In this case, it was like really dirty and it was uh and then particularly the and it was uh and then particularly the and it was uh and then particularly the like the texture of the dragons is like the texture of the dragons is like the texture of the dragons is already so slick that once you have like already so slick that once you have like already so slick that once you have like sort of grease on your fingers, it feels sort of grease on your fingers, it feels sort of grease on your fingers, it feels insanely slick. Uh but you know, we insanely slick. Uh but you know, we insanely slick. Uh but you know, we dealt with it. dealt with it. dealt with it. >> I don't know. I know in the um in the >> I don't know. I know in the um in the >> I don't know. I know in the um in the dress rehearsal it it wasn't sorted dress rehearsal it it wasn't sorted dress rehearsal it it wasn't sorted right like right like right like there was some real like is this gonna there was some real like is this gonna there was some real like is this gonna be okay? be okay? be okay? >> No, I mean it still would have been >> No, I mean it still would have been >> No, I mean it still would have been okay. I mean even if we hadn't cleaned okay. I mean even if we hadn't cleaned okay. I mean even if we hadn't cleaned it all I would have managed with just it all I would have managed with just it all I would have managed with just basically wiping my hands every couple basically wiping my hands every couple basically wiping my hands every couple moves. I mean there's kind of like it moves. I mean there's kind of like it moves. I mean there's kind of like it was all doable. It's just how was all doable. It's just how was all doable. It's just how comfortable and how fun is it going to comfortable and how fun is it going to comfortable and how fun is it going to be? I mean I think what made the event be? I mean I think what made the event be? I mean I think what made the event so great for me is that ultimately when so great for me is that ultimately when so great for me is that ultimately when I did the climb it was felt comfortable. I did the climb it was felt comfortable. I did the climb it was felt comfortable. I had a good time. I was able to enjoy I had a good time. I was able to enjoy I had a good time. I was able to enjoy myself. I think that made other myself. I think that made other myself. I think that made other hopefully put other people at ease more hopefully put other people at ease more hopefully put other people at ease more too. you know, people watching. I mean, too. you know, people watching. I mean, too. you know, people watching. I mean, how intense would it have been to watch how intense would it have been to watch how intense would it have been to watch that? If I was like looked grip and I that? If I was like looked grip and I that? If I was like looked grip and I was frantically wiping my hands the was frantically wiping my hands the was frantically wiping my hands the whole way up, you'd be like, "Oh god." whole way up, you'd be like, "Oh god." whole way up, you'd be like, "Oh god." It's like uh, you know, thankfully it It's like uh, you know, thankfully it It's like uh, you know, thankfully it was able to be a lot more fun this way. was able to be a lot more fun this way. was able to be a lot more fun this way. And so, I think, yeah, worked out well. And so, I think, yeah, worked out well. And so, I think, yeah, worked out well. >> The experience for millions of people >> The experience for millions of people >> The experience for millions of people all over the world was, you know, sweaty all over the world was, you know, sweaty all over the world was, you know, sweaty palms, looking away. You know, it it was palms, looking away. You know, it it was palms, looking away. You know, it it was it was very challenging for most people it was very challenging for most people it was very challenging for most people to watch. to watch. to watch. >> That's how challenging it was with me in >> That's how challenging it was with me in >> That's how challenging it was with me in rel, you know, with good control feeling rel, you know, with good control feeling rel, you know, with good control feeling good. Imagine if I looked like I was good. Imagine if I looked like I was good. Imagine if I looked like I was going to fall the whole time. people going to fall the whole time. people going to fall the whole time. people would have been like leaving. Yeah. No, would have been like leaving. Yeah. No, would have been like leaving. Yeah. No, nobody would watch. nobody would watch. nobody would watch. >> But you had a you had a great deal of >> But you had a you had a great deal of >> But you had a you had a great deal of awareness uh you know of the fact that awareness uh you know of the fact that awareness uh you know of the fact that you were being watched. Uh and it was you were being watched. Uh and it was you were being watched. Uh and it was clear you know almost you know after a clear you know almost you know after a clear you know almost you know after a few minutes like oh you got a smile on few minutes like oh you got a smile on few minutes like oh you got a smile on your face. Uh you're waving to the your face. Uh you're waving to the your face. Uh you're waving to the crowd. You're in control. You're in your crowd. You're in control. You're in your crowd. You're in control. You're in your comfort zone. And from that point comfort zone. And from that point comfort zone. And from that point forward it it looked as if like you were forward it it looked as if like you were forward it it looked as if like you were just having the time of your life. just having the time of your life. just having the time of your life. >> Yeah. Yeah, I was having a really good >> Yeah. Yeah, I was having a really good >> Yeah. Yeah, I was having a really good time punctuated by by effort, you know. time punctuated by by effort, you know. time punctuated by by effort, you know. I was like I had to pay attention for I was like I had to pay attention for I was like I had to pay attention for the moves. I had to be focused on on the moves. I had to be focused on on the moves. I had to be focused on on the, you know, executing each of the the, you know, executing each of the the, you know, executing each of the bamboo boxes and everything. But the bamboo boxes and everything. But the bamboo boxes and everything. But the thing is like in some ways the building thing is like in some ways the building thing is like in some ways the building is more uh it's more like stop and go is more uh it's more like stop and go is more uh it's more like stop and go than rock climbing. Like you do some than rock climbing. Like you do some than rock climbing. Like you do some hard moves, you get into a position and hard moves, you get into a position and hard moves, you get into a position and then the positions you can stand there then the positions you can stand there then the positions you can stand there pretty you're pretty stable cuz the pretty you're pretty stable cuz the pretty you're pretty stable cuz the footholds are big and you're kind of footholds are big and you're kind of footholds are big and you're kind of clamped onto the building. So basically clamped onto the building. So basically clamped onto the building. So basically you're in like these very stable you're in like these very stable you're in like these very stable positions and then you do kind of hard positions and then you do kind of hard positions and then you do kind of hard moves in between them. And so I had to moves in between them. And so I had to moves in between them. And so I had to pay attention for the hard moves. And pay attention for the hard moves. And pay attention for the hard moves. And then once you're back into a restful then once you're back into a restful then once you're back into a restful position, you can like wave at people position, you can like wave at people position, you can like wave at people and play with the folks in the windows and play with the folks in the windows and play with the folks in the windows and and basically like feel good. And so and and basically like feel good. And so and and basically like feel good. And so yeah, I mean, I kind of took advantage yeah, I mean, I kind of took advantage yeah, I mean, I kind of took advantage of that and and enjoyed the parts that I of that and and enjoyed the parts that I of that and and enjoyed the parts that I could and then and then paid attention could and then and then paid attention could and then and then paid attention for the for the hard moves. for the for the hard moves. for the for the hard moves. >> Was there any uh uh at any point was was >> Was there any uh uh at any point was was >> Was there any uh uh at any point was was the people inside the windows the people inside the windows the people inside the windows distracting or somebody trying, you distracting or somebody trying, you distracting or somebody trying, you know, like that threw you off in any know, like that threw you off in any know, like that threw you off in any way? way? way? >> No, not really. I mean, so part of the >> No, not really. I mean, so part of the >> No, not really. I mean, so part of the whole experience for me was that when I whole experience for me was that when I whole experience for me was that when I was doing the the prep work, it was all was doing the the prep work, it was all was doing the the prep work, it was all slightly offputting to have so many slightly offputting to have so many slightly offputting to have so many people watching me when I was hanging on people watching me when I was hanging on people watching me when I was hanging on a rope. It was just like kind of a rope. It was just like kind of a rope. It was just like kind of annoying to have so many people with annoying to have so many people with annoying to have so many people with cameras at the windows like watching and cameras at the windows like watching and cameras at the windows like watching and I felt very self-conscious and I felt I felt very self-conscious and I felt I felt very self-conscious and I felt weird about doing the prep and it just weird about doing the prep and it just weird about doing the prep and it just felt and I was like, "Oh, this isn't my felt and I was like, "Oh, this isn't my felt and I was like, "Oh, this isn't my normal rock climbing experience." But normal rock climbing experience." But normal rock climbing experience." But then finally before the actual climb then finally before the actual climb then finally before the actual climb itself, like before the the event, I itself, like before the the event, I itself, like before the the event, I sort of put that behind me a little bit sort of put that behind me a little bit sort of put that behind me a little bit and I was like, "You know what? and I was like, "You know what? and I was like, "You know what? Everybody's here supporting and wants to Everybody's here supporting and wants to Everybody's here supporting and wants to see a show and you know everybody's see a show and you know everybody's see a show and you know everybody's psyched. It's like I just need to psyched. It's like I just need to psyched. It's like I just need to embrace that and be psyched. And sort of embrace that and be psyched. And sort of embrace that and be psyched. And sort of interestingly, one of the things that interestingly, one of the things that interestingly, one of the things that makes the building hard is is the makes the building hard is is the makes the building hard is is the pacing. Like if you try to go fast, you pacing. Like if you try to go fast, you pacing. Like if you try to go fast, you get really tired. If you go really get really tired. If you go really get really tired. If you go really slowly that you don't get that tired and slowly that you don't get that tired and slowly that you don't get that tired and it feels a lot easier. And so it's kind it feels a lot easier. And so it's kind it feels a lot easier. And so it's kind of like, well, if I take my time, go of like, well, if I take my time, go of like, well, if I take my time, go slowly, have a good time, like play with slowly, have a good time, like play with slowly, have a good time, like play with people a little bit, then it also makes people a little bit, then it also makes people a little bit, then it also makes it easier in a way because it just kind it easier in a way because it just kind it easier in a way because it just kind of naturally paces you. And so it's kind of naturally paces you. And so it's kind of naturally paces you. And so it's kind of like, oh, it's a it's like a double of like, oh, it's a it's like a double of like, oh, it's a it's like a double benefit of like I might as well just benefit of like I might as well just benefit of like I might as well just enjoy the experience, go slowly, and enjoy the experience, go slowly, and enjoy the experience, go slowly, and that makes it easier, which makes it a that makes it easier, which makes it a that makes it easier, which makes it a more enjoyable experience. And so I kind more enjoyable experience. And so I kind more enjoyable experience. And so I kind of had this perspective shift where I of had this perspective shift where I of had this perspective shift where I was like instead of wishing that there was like instead of wishing that there was like instead of wishing that there weren't so many people watching me, just weren't so many people watching me, just weren't so many people watching me, just be like this is part of it here for the be like this is part of it here for the be like this is part of it here for the fun. fun. fun. >> Yeah. Um, >> Yeah. Um, >> Yeah. Um, you did it pretty fast though, hour and you did it pretty fast though, hour and you did it pretty fast though, hour and a half. I mean, I think that that was a half. I mean, I think that that was a half. I mean, I think that that was faster than than most most people, faster than than most most people, faster than than most most people, including like your team expected you. including like your team expected you. including like your team expected you. No, my team uh most of the team put No, my team uh most of the team put No, my team uh most of the team put money down on a bet on that timing and money down on a bet on that timing and money down on a bet on that timing and and 90 minutes was basically like right and 90 minutes was basically like right and 90 minutes was basically like right in the middle of uh everybody's in the middle of uh everybody's in the middle of uh everybody's expectations. But expectations. But expectations. But >> talk to me about the uh the flex uh when >> talk to me about the uh the flex uh when >> talk to me about the uh the flex uh when you were almost at the top and you you you were almost at the top and you you you were almost at the top and you you know you did the arms free thing. know you did the arms free thing. know you did the arms free thing. >> Oh, that's >> Oh, that's >> Oh, that's >> I mean that was like you you teed that >> I mean that was like you you teed that >> I mean that was like you you teed that up for the audience, right? up for the audience, right? up for the audience, right? >> I mean it's just playing around. It's >> I mean it's just playing around. It's >> I mean it's just playing around. It's it's it's like playing on the jungle gym it's it's like playing on the jungle gym it's it's like playing on the jungle gym and dangling from the bars. You're like and dangling from the bars. You're like and dangling from the bars. You're like you can it's fun. Why not? Yeah. Um, you can it's fun. Why not? Yeah. Um, you can it's fun. Why not? Yeah. Um, I mean, it is a lot like hanging from I mean, it is a lot like hanging from I mean, it is a lot like hanging from the jungle gym. You're just like, "This the jungle gym. You're just like, "This the jungle gym. You're just like, "This is so cool." is so cool." is so cool." >> You're like, "Mom, look at this." >> You're like, "Mom, look at this." >> You're like, "Mom, look at this." >> I don't know if you're aware of this, >> I don't know if you're aware of this, >> I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's a lot of videos on the but there's a lot of videos on the but there's a lot of videos on the internet right now of dudes trying to do internet right now of dudes trying to do internet right now of dudes trying to do that pull-up technique where you grab that pull-up technique where you grab that pull-up technique where you grab the sides and, you know, struggling and the sides and, you know, struggling and the sides and, you know, struggling and and revealing just how difficult that and revealing just how difficult that and revealing just how difficult that is. Like, are you the most fit and is. Like, are you the most fit and is. Like, are you the most fit and jacked that you've ever been in your jacked that you've ever been in your jacked that you've ever been in your life? life? life? >> I I am actually more fit than than >> I I am actually more fit than than >> I I am actually more fit than than normal for me. I feel strong right now. normal for me. I feel strong right now. normal for me. I feel strong right now. I've been at home training for months I've been at home training for months I've been at home training for months and yeah, I'm all fired up. I mean, and yeah, I'm all fired up. I mean, and yeah, I'm all fired up. I mean, which is honestly kind of the appeal of which is honestly kind of the appeal of which is honestly kind of the appeal of projects like this. I mean, part of the projects like this. I mean, part of the projects like this. I mean, part of the the fun of having a goal like this is to the fun of having a goal like this is to the fun of having a goal like this is to stay at home and train hard for several stay at home and train hard for several stay at home and train hard for several months and then like feel really good. months and then like feel really good. months and then like feel really good. >> What is like take me through a day in >> What is like take me through a day in >> What is like take me through a day in the life of the rigorous uh you know the life of the rigorous uh you know the life of the rigorous uh you know stages of the training? Like what are stages of the training? Like what are stages of the training? Like what are you doing exactly? Well, you doing exactly? Well, you doing exactly? Well, >> it's it's not that rigorous. This is >> it's it's not that rigorous. This is >> it's it's not that rigorous. This is slightly embarrass I mean mostly taking slightly embarrass I mean mostly taking slightly embarrass I mean mostly taking care of kids and things and and dealing care of kids and things and and dealing care of kids and things and and dealing but no I've been kind of climbing two on but no I've been kind of climbing two on but no I've been kind of climbing two on one off at home. So, two days of one off at home. So, two days of one off at home. So, two days of climbing, one day rest. I've been climbing, one day rest. I've been climbing, one day rest. I've been alternating going to the sport climbing alternating going to the sport climbing alternating going to the sport climbing cave. So, climbing with a rope with this cave. So, climbing with a rope with this cave. So, climbing with a rope with this overhang wall. But this particularly overhang wall. But this particularly overhang wall. But this particularly this particular wall is it's a very this particular wall is it's a very this particular wall is it's a very physical style. It's very muscly. And physical style. It's very muscly. And physical style. It's very muscly. And so, I felt like that would be good for so, I felt like that would be good for so, I felt like that would be good for the building cuz really the challenge of the building cuz really the challenge of the building cuz really the challenge of the building is kind of like full body the building is kind of like full body the building is kind of like full body fitness, like core and just like big fitness, like core and just like big fitness, like core and just like big muscles. And so, uh so I've been muscles. And so, uh so I've been muscles. And so, uh so I've been climbing that cave uh 2 days a week and climbing that cave uh 2 days a week and climbing that cave uh 2 days a week and then training in my home gym two days a then training in my home gym two days a then training in my home gym two days a week. sets like bouldering hard and then week. sets like bouldering hard and then week. sets like bouldering hard and then doing like workout stuff like pull-ups doing like workout stuff like pull-ups doing like workout stuff like pull-ups and you know muscle whatever all this and you know muscle whatever all this and you know muscle whatever all this stuff. stuff. stuff. >> Obviously you've you've uh done much >> Obviously you've you've uh done much >> Obviously you've you've uh done much more technically difficult climbs but more technically difficult climbs but more technically difficult climbs but the the repetitive motion of like kind the the repetitive motion of like kind the the repetitive motion of like kind of doing the same moves over and over of doing the same moves over and over of doing the same moves over and over and over again. Does that create uh like and over again. Does that create uh like and over again. Does that create uh like a unique a different kind of like a unique a different kind of like a unique a different kind of like fatigue to have to do those same moves fatigue to have to do those same moves fatigue to have to do those same moves and use those same muscles? and use those same muscles? and use those same muscles? >> Yeah. Yeah, a little bit actually. So >> Yeah. Yeah, a little bit actually. So >> Yeah. Yeah, a little bit actually. So the whole building I I did the whole the whole building I I did the whole the whole building I I did the whole building leading with my left foot. Uh, building leading with my left foot. Uh, building leading with my left foot. Uh, so for any I don't know if anyone so for any I don't know if anyone so for any I don't know if anyone noticed in the footage, each floor is noticed in the footage, each floor is noticed in the footage, each floor is like two small moves, then one big move. like two small moves, then one big move. like two small moves, then one big move. And so on the small moves, you smear one And so on the small moves, you smear one And so on the small moves, you smear one foot and then you step up onto the other foot and then you step up onto the other foot and then you step up onto the other foot. So I'd smear my left foot and then foot. So I'd smear my left foot and then foot. So I'd smear my left foot and then step on my right foot. And then for the step on my right foot. And then for the step on my right foot. And then for the big move, you smear your left foot, big move, you smear your left foot, big move, you smear your left foot, smear your right foot, and then step up smear your right foot, and then step up smear your right foot, and then step up high onto the left foot. And so anyway, high onto the left foot. And so anyway, high onto the left foot. And so anyway, I was like leading with my left foot for I was like leading with my left foot for I was like leading with my left foot for the whole building. And for soling, it the whole building. And for soling, it the whole building. And for soling, it just kind of helps to do some kind of just kind of helps to do some kind of just kind of helps to do some kind of steady routine because uh then you just steady routine because uh then you just steady routine because uh then you just know that you're doing the same thing know that you're doing the same thing know that you're doing the same thing each time. There's no room for for like each time. There's no room for for like each time. There's no room for for like doubt to creep in where you're like, doubt to creep in where you're like, doubt to creep in where you're like, "Oh, am I set up the wrong way?" or like "Oh, am I set up the wrong way?" or like "Oh, am I set up the wrong way?" or like does this feel different or is it slippy does this feel different or is it slippy does this feel different or is it slippy or whatever. So I was just like doing it or whatever. So I was just like doing it or whatever. So I was just like doing it the same way the whole building. Anyway, the same way the whole building. Anyway, the same way the whole building. Anyway, so I finished the building, you know, so I finished the building, you know, so I finished the building, you know, great success, all good. Then we came great success, all good. Then we came great success, all good. Then we came down, we did a bunch of press stuff in down, we did a bunch of press stuff in down, we did a bunch of press stuff in one of their conference rooms and I gave one of their conference rooms and I gave one of their conference rooms and I gave a couple interviews and after each a couple interviews and after each a couple interviews and after each interview I was like, I think my lower interview I was like, I think my lower interview I was like, I think my lower back is starting to hurt. I was like, I back is starting to hurt. I was like, I back is starting to hurt. I was like, I think I think I might tweak my back. think I think I might tweak my back. think I think I might tweak my back. Like basically doing the same like left Like basically doing the same like left Like basically doing the same like left footed highep move, you know,und I don't footed highep move, you know,und I don't footed highep move, you know,und I don't know, 300 times or whatever. I was kind know, 300 times or whatever. I was kind know, 300 times or whatever. I was kind of like, oh, I think I think I tweaked of like, oh, I think I think I tweaked of like, oh, I think I think I tweaked something. But yeah, basically it is something. But yeah, basically it is something. But yeah, basically it is definitely more of a load than than rock definitely more of a load than than rock definitely more of a load than than rock climbing. Rock climbing is so climbing. Rock climbing is so climbing. Rock climbing is so distributed, you know, like every move distributed, you know, like every move distributed, you know, like every move is different. So you're constantly using is different. So you're constantly using is different. So you're constantly using different parts of your body. The different parts of your body. The different parts of your body. The building is like you're just hammering building is like you're just hammering building is like you're just hammering the same things over and over. the same things over and over. the same things over and over. >> At one point, like 80% up, you're like, >> At one point, like 80% up, you're like, >> At one point, like 80% up, you're like, "Yeah, I'm kind of tired." "Yeah, I'm kind of tired." "Yeah, I'm kind of tired." On the broadcast, everyone's like, "Oh, On the broadcast, everyone's like, "Oh, On the broadcast, everyone's like, "Oh, he's tired." he's tired." he's tired." >> No, but that's fine. I mean, it's like >> No, but that's fine. I mean, it's like >> No, but that's fine. I mean, it's like it's like if you're running a race or it's like if you're running a race or it's like if you're running a race or something, you're like partway through something, you're like partway through something, you're like partway through you're like, "Oh, I'm tired." But you you're like, "Oh, I'm tired." But you you're like, "Oh, I'm tired." But you expect to be that tired. It's all fine. expect to be that tired. It's all fine. expect to be that tired. It's all fine. I mean, it's part of the plan, but but I mean, it's part of the plan, but but I mean, it's part of the plan, but but no, I I was pretty pumped. I mean, you no, I I was pretty pumped. I mean, you no, I I was pretty pumped. I mean, you climbed the those bamboo boxes like they climbed the those bamboo boxes like they climbed the those bamboo boxes like they they wear you out there. Yeah, it's they wear you out there. Yeah, it's they wear you out there. Yeah, it's tiring. tiring. tiring. >> Uh, anyone else here? Were you Was >> Uh, anyone else here? Were you Was >> Uh, anyone else here? Were you Was anyone else here worried about him anyone else here worried about him anyone else here worried about him running out of chalk? Like I kept running out of chalk? Like I kept running out of chalk? Like I kept thinking like, what happens if he runs thinking like, what happens if he runs thinking like, what happens if he runs out? It looks like it's getting low. out? It looks like it's getting low. out? It looks like it's getting low. >> No, I had a refill. Like, >> No, I had a refill. Like, >> No, I had a refill. Like, >> I'm sure if I had to, I could ask >> I'm sure if I had to, I could ask >> I'm sure if I had to, I could ask somebody. Um, though nobody really had a somebody. Um, though nobody really had a somebody. Um, though nobody really had a chalk bag. I know the rigers have chalk chalk bag. I know the rigers have chalk chalk bag. I know the rigers have chalk with them or anything, but no, my chalk with them or anything, but no, my chalk with them or anything, but no, my chalk bag was so full. It was uh it was fine. bag was so full. It was uh it was fine. bag was so full. It was uh it was fine. >> The other thing I heard about the >> The other thing I heard about the >> The other thing I heard about the building is that uh the the metal like building is that uh the the metal like building is that uh the the metal like the the some of the ledges were really the the some of the ledges were really the the some of the ledges were really bendy. Is that true? bendy. Is that true? bendy. Is that true? >> Uh they all flex, but actually so I >> Uh they all flex, but actually so I >> Uh they all flex, but actually so I found that so a lot of the things that I found that so a lot of the things that I found that so a lot of the things that I was grabbing and stepping on, you know, was grabbing and stepping on, you know, was grabbing and stepping on, you know, moved. Um but actually in some ways moved. Um but actually in some ways moved. Um but actually in some ways that's less scary. I mean the thing with that's less scary. I mean the thing with that's less scary. I mean the thing with rock climbing is that you grab edges and rock climbing is that you grab edges and rock climbing is that you grab edges and they feel totally solid right up until they feel totally solid right up until they feel totally solid right up until they snap. And if they snap they just they snap. And if they snap they just they snap. And if they snap they just fall off. And then, you know, if you're fall off. And then, you know, if you're fall off. And then, you know, if you're freeing, you may or may not fall to your freeing, you may or may not fall to your freeing, you may or may not fall to your death. So, you're like, "Oh, that's death. So, you're like, "Oh, that's death. So, you're like, "Oh, that's terrible." And so, climbing is like a terrible." And so, climbing is like a terrible." And so, climbing is like a little bit scary with with things little bit scary with with things little bit scary with with things snapping. With the building, you're kind snapping. With the building, you're kind snapping. With the building, you're kind of like, "Well, none of these things are of like, "Well, none of these things are of like, "Well, none of these things are going to snap. It's metal. It all sort going to snap. It's metal. It all sort going to snap. It's metal. It all sort of like deforms, you know, and you can of like deforms, you know, and you can of like deforms, you know, and you can see how it's bolted on or screwed on in see how it's bolted on or screwed on in see how it's bolted on or screwed on in places." And you can see the the cocking places." And you can see the the cocking places." And you can see the the cocking type stuff that's like holding it in. type stuff that's like holding it in. type stuff that's like holding it in. Basically, you could feel it like give a Basically, you could feel it like give a Basically, you could feel it like give a little bit, but you just know that it's little bit, but you just know that it's little bit, but you just know that it's going to bend before it breaks. And so I going to bend before it breaks. And so I going to bend before it breaks. And so I actually found that in some ways less uh actually found that in some ways less uh actually found that in some ways less uh where like it was it was fine compared where like it was it was fine compared where like it was it was fine compared to rock climbing because rock climbing to rock climbing because rock climbing to rock climbing because rock climbing like you just don't know if something's like you just don't know if something's like you just don't know if something's going to break. And that's kind of the going to break. And that's kind of the going to break. And that's kind of the whole danger of free soling is you're whole danger of free soling is you're whole danger of free soling is you're like what if a hold breaks but at least like what if a hold breaks but at least like what if a hold breaks but at least with the building you're like well I can with the building you're like well I can with the building you're like well I can feel how much give there is in all the feel how much give there is in all the feel how much give there is in all the materials. materials. materials. >> The dragons though looked they didn't >> The dragons though looked they didn't >> The dragons though looked they didn't look like they were built to for load look like they were built to for load look like they were built to for load you know to bear load to like handle you know to bear load to like handle you know to bear load to like handle weight. They look kind of like flimsy weight. They look kind of like flimsy weight. They look kind of like flimsy and and definitely slippery. and and definitely slippery. and and definitely slippery. >> Dude, they're like these giant metal >> Dude, they're like these giant metal >> Dude, they're like these giant metal things. They're insane. things. They're insane. things. They're insane. >> That's how it read to me. >> That's how it read to me. >> That's how it read to me. >> No. No. Well, actually though I to be >> No. No. Well, actually though I to be >> No. No. Well, actually though I to be fair, the very first dragon I did, I fair, the very first dragon I did, I fair, the very first dragon I did, I mean, I'd practice them a little bit. I mean, I'd practice them a little bit. I mean, I'd practice them a little bit. I played on them and they're like these played on them and they're like these played on them and they're like these super robust metal beams basically. They super robust metal beams basically. They super robust metal beams basically. They feel indestructible. But then my very feel indestructible. But then my very feel indestructible. But then my very first dragon, and this is a classic first dragon, and this is a classic first dragon, and this is a classic experience when you're soloing, as soon experience when you're soloing, as soon experience when you're soloing, as soon as you don't have a rope on, it suddenly as you don't have a rope on, it suddenly as you don't have a rope on, it suddenly all feels a little bit different where all feels a little bit different where all feels a little bit different where you're like, "Oh, I didn't really think you're like, "Oh, I didn't really think you're like, "Oh, I didn't really think about it in this way before." But so I about it in this way before." But so I about it in this way before." But so I went up onto the dragon and the first went up onto the dragon and the first went up onto the dragon and the first moves onto the dragon, you pull like moves onto the dragon, you pull like moves onto the dragon, you pull like basically straight out on these big basically straight out on these big basically straight out on these big pinches. And I was suddenly like, "I pinches. And I was suddenly like, "I pinches. And I was suddenly like, "I wonder what's holding this big beam on." wonder what's holding this big beam on." wonder what's holding this big beam on." like when you start just loading it, like when you start just loading it, like when you start just loading it, pulling straight out, you're like, I pulling straight out, you're like, I pulling straight out, you're like, I wonder how this is attached actually. wonder how this is attached actually. wonder how this is attached actually. You're like, oh jeez. Like it feels You're like, oh jeez. Like it feels You're like, oh jeez. Like it feels really robust, but you're like, how is really robust, but you're like, how is really robust, but you're like, how is it connected to the panel behind it and it connected to the panel behind it and it connected to the panel behind it and then I was like, well, don't think about then I was like, well, don't think about then I was like, well, don't think about it too much. Like, you know, it's held it too much. Like, you know, it's held it too much. Like, you know, it's held all the other times and it feels very all the other times and it feels very all the other times and it feels very secure, so let's just hope it is. secure, so let's just hope it is. secure, so let's just hope it is. >> For a lay person, it looked like you >> For a lay person, it looked like you >> For a lay person, it looked like you just flawlessly executed this, but in in just flawlessly executed this, but in in just flawlessly executed this, but in in your mind, when you replay it, are there your mind, when you replay it, are there your mind, when you replay it, are there mistakes that you made or or things that mistakes that you made or or things that mistakes that you made or or things that you think maybe I could have done that you think maybe I could have done that you think maybe I could have done that better or differently? like what do what better or differently? like what do what better or differently? like what do what do we like what did we not see when you do we like what did we not see when you do we like what did we not see when you do your own kind of like reflection on do your own kind of like reflection on do your own kind of like reflection on on how you executed it? on how you executed it? on how you executed it? >> I think I think it was mostly pretty >> I think I think it was mostly pretty >> I think I think it was mostly pretty good. I mean I think like the first good. I mean I think like the first good. I mean I think like the first dragon I was nervous for sure. I was dragon I was nervous for sure. I was dragon I was nervous for sure. I was kind of like oh it's and it's kind of like oh it's and it's kind of like oh it's and it's interesting. I mean the dragons pose interesting. I mean the dragons pose interesting. I mean the dragons pose this whole interesting thing because this whole interesting thing because this whole interesting thing because they actually are the for the most part they actually are the for the most part they actually are the for the most part the easiest way to climb that section. the easiest way to climb that section. the easiest way to climb that section. Uh when you're climbing the corners it Uh when you're climbing the corners it Uh when you're climbing the corners it is easiest to to get over the top via is easiest to to get over the top via is easiest to to get over the top via the dragon. you can off with behind it. the dragon. you can off with behind it. the dragon. you can off with behind it. Like you can wedge your body in behind Like you can wedge your body in behind Like you can wedge your body in behind the dragon, but it's actually harder the dragon, but it's actually harder the dragon, but it's actually harder than it looks like it would be. Uh than it looks like it would be. Uh than it looks like it would be. Uh because the back of the dragon is this because the back of the dragon is this because the back of the dragon is this like tapered metal thing. It's all like like tapered metal thing. It's all like like tapered metal thing. It's all like weird and smooth and so you can get in weird and smooth and so you can get in weird and smooth and so you can get in there and wedge your body in and squirm. there and wedge your body in and squirm. there and wedge your body in and squirm. But it's it's pretty hard and it's very But it's it's pretty hard and it's very But it's it's pretty hard and it's very undignified. So for television, I was undignified. So for television, I was undignified. So for television, I was just kind of like, nah. You know, it's just kind of like, nah. You know, it's just kind of like, nah. You know, it's like if you're going to have to climb like if you're going to have to climb like if you're going to have to climb this thing and it's pretty hard either this thing and it's pretty hard either this thing and it's pretty hard either way, you may as well do it the way that way, you may as well do it the way that way, you may as well do it the way that looks insanely cool and is super fun and looks insanely cool and is super fun and looks insanely cool and is super fun and like feels like a big kid jungle gym. like feels like a big kid jungle gym. like feels like a big kid jungle gym. And so anyway, but then every time you And so anyway, but then every time you And so anyway, but then every time you get into the position on the dragon, you get into the position on the dragon, you get into the position on the dragon, you are like, "Oh, that's kind of scary." are like, "Oh, that's kind of scary." are like, "Oh, that's kind of scary." You know, you're like stepping out over You know, you're like stepping out over You know, you're like stepping out over the abyss and the whole city's down the abyss and the whole city's down the abyss and the whole city's down there and you're like, "This is kind of there and you're like, "This is kind of there and you're like, "This is kind of extreme." It's like pretty slippery. extreme." It's like pretty slippery. extreme." It's like pretty slippery. Also, cuz the material on it, the it's Also, cuz the material on it, the it's Also, cuz the material on it, the it's like polished chrome or something. The like polished chrome or something. The like polished chrome or something. The building the the dragons felt so slick building the the dragons felt so slick building the the dragons felt so slick compared to the rest of the building. compared to the rest of the building. compared to the rest of the building. >> Yeah. Was there grease deposits on the >> Yeah. Was there grease deposits on the >> Yeah. Was there grease deposits on the dragons also? dragons also? dragons also? >> No, they were super buffed. I'm not sure >> No, they were super buffed. I'm not sure >> No, they were super buffed. I'm not sure what the deal is, but I think they're so what the deal is, but I think they're so what the deal is, but I think they're so slick that they just don't accumulate slick that they just don't accumulate slick that they just don't accumulate like debris on them the way that the like debris on them the way that the like debris on them the way that the rest of the building did. But so the rest of the building did. But so the rest of the building did. But so the buildings were super smooth or sorry, buildings were super smooth or sorry, buildings were super smooth or sorry, the dragons are super smooth, but then the dragons are super smooth, but then the dragons are super smooth, but then whatever you have on your hands from whatever you have on your hands from whatever you have on your hands from climbing on the building, uh, you feel climbing on the building, uh, you feel climbing on the building, uh, you feel slick when you grab them. slick when you grab them. slick when you grab them. >> I mean, when you were wiping the black >> I mean, when you were wiping the black >> I mean, when you were wiping the black the the the grease off your shoes with the the the grease off your shoes with the the the grease off your shoes with your hand, I'm like, well, now it's on your hand, I'm like, well, now it's on your hand, I'm like, well, now it's on his hands. his hands. his hands. >> Well, I was I was like licking my palm >> Well, I was I was like licking my palm >> Well, I was I was like licking my palm and then grinding with your palm. That's and then grinding with your palm. That's and then grinding with your palm. That's that's fine. That's normal. that's fine. That's normal. that's fine. That's normal. >> Do that all the time. Um the the the >> Do that all the time. Um the the the >> Do that all the time. Um the the the real variable that got introduced uh in real variable that got introduced uh in real variable that got introduced uh in this for you seems to be from my this for you seems to be from my this for you seems to be from my perspective just all you know the circus perspective just all you know the circus perspective just all you know the circus aspect of it like and and not only all aspect of it like and and not only all aspect of it like and and not only all the people but that comes with the people but that comes with the people but that comes with expectations you know this is a live expectations you know this is a live expectations you know this is a live broadcast there's all these individuals broadcast there's all these individuals broadcast there's all these individuals involved there's there's a expectation involved there's there's a expectation involved there's there's a expectation that like this is going to happen has to that like this is going to happen has to that like this is going to happen has to happen at this time and obviously happen at this time and obviously happen at this time and obviously everyone is concerned about your safety everyone is concerned about your safety everyone is concerned about your safety but you know there's a whole other kind but you know there's a whole other kind but you know there's a whole other kind of machine at play here and so how are of machine at play here and so how are of machine at play here and so how are you like managing like you like managing like you like managing like compartmentalizing that or dealing with compartmentalizing that or dealing with compartmentalizing that or dealing with that part of it cuz it seems like maybe that part of it cuz it seems like maybe that part of it cuz it seems like maybe that was if there was a stressor on you that was if there was a stressor on you that was if there was a stressor on you like that was it? like that was it? like that was it? >> That was definitely part of the >> That was definitely part of the >> That was definitely part of the stressor. So from my hotel room I could stressor. So from my hotel room I could stressor. So from my hotel room I could look down onto the video village that look down onto the video village that look down onto the video village that like was dealing with the whole live like was dealing with the whole live like was dealing with the whole live event. So it's like 100 people intense. event. So it's like 100 people intense. event. So it's like 100 people intense. It's like a whole crazy thing. And so It's like a whole crazy thing. And so It's like a whole crazy thing. And so you know from your room you'd look out you know from your room you'd look out you know from your room you'd look out and be like there are all these people and be like there are all these people and be like there are all these people working on this project. Like sure hope working on this project. Like sure hope working on this project. Like sure hope I can do the thing. You know you're kind I can do the thing. You know you're kind I can do the thing. You know you're kind of like geez. Um, so yeah, there was of like geez. Um, so yeah, there was of like geez. Um, so yeah, there was definitely a little bit of stress around definitely a little bit of stress around definitely a little bit of stress around that. And and also just doing a live that. And and also just doing a live that. And and also just doing a live event felt different for me than, you event felt different for me than, you event felt different for me than, you know, I've done a ton of climbing know, I've done a ton of climbing know, I've done a ton of climbing documentaries and things like that over documentaries and things like that over documentaries and things like that over the years, but those are pretty chill. the years, but those are pretty chill. the years, but those are pretty chill. You just do them on your terms, you You just do them on your terms, you You just do them on your terms, you know, when the timing feels right with know, when the timing feels right with know, when the timing feels right with your friends. The live event also just your friends. The live event also just your friends. The live event also just had this whole technical aspect to it as had this whole technical aspect to it as had this whole technical aspect to it as well where there's like all this other well where there's like all this other well where there's like all this other equipment, all like they ran fiber up equipment, all like they ran fiber up equipment, all like they ran fiber up and down the whole building. They have and down the whole building. They have and down the whole building. They have to transmit everything from the cameras. to transmit everything from the cameras. to transmit everything from the cameras. It all has to go live. And so basically It all has to go live. And so basically It all has to go live. And so basically they were the the date and the timing they were the the date and the timing they were the the date and the timing all kind of mattered more because a all kind of mattered more because a all kind of mattered more because a bunch of the crew that was working on bunch of the crew that was working on bunch of the crew that was working on the live component of it like had to go the live component of it like had to go the live component of it like had to go to the Grammys the next week and you're to the Grammys the next week and you're to the Grammys the next week and you're kind of like they need all the gear to kind of like they need all the gear to kind of like they need all the gear to go to the Grammys and I'm kind of like go to the Grammys and I'm kind of like go to the Grammys and I'm kind of like normally when I'm trying to time one of normally when I'm trying to time one of normally when I'm trying to time one of my climbs I'm not thinking about when my climbs I'm not thinking about when my climbs I'm not thinking about when the Grammys are you know I'm kind of the Grammys are you know I'm kind of the Grammys are you know I'm kind of like like who freaking cares about you like like who freaking cares about you like like who freaking cares about you know so there's like this whole there's know so there's like this whole there's know so there's like this whole there's this whole other component to it that I this whole other component to it that I this whole other component to it that I was like oh this is like kind of was like oh this is like kind of was like oh this is like kind of stressful but in a way you just have to stressful but in a way you just have to stressful but in a way you just have to put all that aside and just focus and put all that aside and just focus and put all that aside and just focus and and to be fair production did a really and to be fair production did a really and to be fair production did a really good of insulating me from all the the good of insulating me from all the the good of insulating me from all the the stress of it. And uh actually the stress of it. And uh actually the stress of it. And uh actually the production company freaking got me a production company freaking got me a production company freaking got me a ping- pong table from my hotel room and ping- pong table from my hotel room and ping- pong table from my hotel room and I just played ping pong at the time. I I just played ping pong at the time. I I just played ping pong at the time. I was like this is amazing. was like this is amazing. was like this is amazing. >> You had the ping pong table in your >> You had the ping pong table in your >> You had the ping pong table in your hotel room. hotel room. hotel room. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. It was the >> Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. It was the >> Yeah. Yeah. It was crazy. It was the first time I've ever been felt like first time I've ever been felt like first time I've ever been felt like talent or something. You I was like is talent or something. You I was like is talent or something. You I was like is this like do I have a writer? Like I this like do I have a writer? Like I this like do I have a writer? Like I don't even know what that is but now I don't even know what that is but now I don't even know what that is but now I have a ping pong table. They did they have a ping pong table. They did they have a ping pong table. They did they did as like a fun gift cuz uh the did as like a fun gift cuz uh the did as like a fun gift cuz uh the showrunner also is very good at table showrunner also is very good at table showrunner also is very good at table tennis and he wanted to play and I don't tennis and he wanted to play and I don't tennis and he wanted to play and I don't know but they put me in this hotel room know but they put me in this hotel room know but they put me in this hotel room that had like a corner. It's like a that had like a corner. It's like a that had like a corner. It's like a corner suite thing or something. I don't corner suite thing or something. I don't corner suite thing or something. I don't know. But it had like an extra space. So know. But it had like an extra space. So know. But it had like an extra space. So we had a ping pong table. It was super we had a ping pong table. It was super we had a ping pong table. It was super fun. fun. fun. >> Um in in in thinking about like managing >> Um in in in thinking about like managing >> Um in in in thinking about like managing the the responsibility of like dealing the the responsibility of like dealing the the responsibility of like dealing with the expectations part. Um so the so with the expectations part. Um so the so with the expectations part. Um so the so days leading up to this, it's raining, days leading up to this, it's raining, days leading up to this, it's raining, it's raining, it's raining, it's it's raining, it's raining, it's it's raining, it's raining, it's raining. You're out there like reconing. raining. You're out there like reconing. raining. You're out there like reconing. It's wet. There's grease on the It's wet. There's grease on the It's wet. There's grease on the building. Is it getting cleaned off? We building. Is it getting cleaned off? We building. Is it getting cleaned off? We don't know. Uh the clock is ticking. The don't know. Uh the clock is ticking. The don't know. Uh the clock is ticking. The Grammys are on the horizon. So, like, Grammys are on the horizon. So, like, Grammys are on the horizon. So, like, you know, had you woken up that morning you know, had you woken up that morning you know, had you woken up that morning and it wasn't a bright, warm, sunny day and it wasn't a bright, warm, sunny day and it wasn't a bright, warm, sunny day and maybe, you know, it it was more in and maybe, you know, it it was more in and maybe, you know, it it was more in the like could I should we do it today? the like could I should we do it today? the like could I should we do it today? Should we not? Like like that was the Should we not? Like like that was the Should we not? Like like that was the big worry, right? Like and and would you big worry, right? Like and and would you big worry, right? Like and and would you like where's that line where you're like where's that line where you're like where's that line where you're like, okay, let's do it because if I like, okay, let's do it because if I like, okay, let's do it because if I don't like all these people are going to don't like all these people are going to don't like all these people are going to leave and like this whole thing is going leave and like this whole thing is going leave and like this whole thing is going to fall apart and it's not going to to fall apart and it's not going to to fall apart and it's not going to happen. happen. happen. >> Yeah. Well, that's the thing that I >> Yeah. Well, that's the thing that I >> Yeah. Well, that's the thing that I worried about is that it wouldn't be a worried about is that it wouldn't be a worried about is that it wouldn't be a clear decision one way or another where clear decision one way or another where clear decision one way or another where you're kind of like, well, it rained 45 you're kind of like, well, it rained 45 you're kind of like, well, it rained 45 minutes ago. It's probably mostly dry. minutes ago. It's probably mostly dry. minutes ago. It's probably mostly dry. It's still kind of socked in. It might It's still kind of socked in. It might It's still kind of socked in. It might rain again in an hour. How quickly can I rain again in an hour. How quickly can I rain again in an hour. How quickly can I finish it? You know, I was worried about finish it? You know, I was worried about finish it? You know, I was worried about kind of like a muddled decision like kind of like a muddled decision like kind of like a muddled decision like that where you're kind of like, ah, I'm that where you're kind of like, ah, I'm that where you're kind of like, ah, I'm balancing a bunch of different factors. balancing a bunch of different factors. balancing a bunch of different factors. Thankfully though, it just turned out Thankfully though, it just turned out Thankfully though, it just turned out that was a non-issue. I mean, the day that was a non-issue. I mean, the day that was a non-issue. I mean, the day worked out great and it was it was worked out great and it was it was worked out great and it was it was perfect. But we had tons of different perfect. But we had tons of different perfect. But we had tons of different contingency plans for timing and uh you contingency plans for timing and uh you contingency plans for timing and uh you know, I mean, yeah, but that would have know, I mean, yeah, but that would have know, I mean, yeah, but that would have been the worst case scenario where been the worst case scenario where been the worst case scenario where you're kind of like, well, it's sort of you're kind of like, well, it's sort of you're kind of like, well, it's sort of gray. It's sort of rainy, but it might gray. It's sort of rainy, but it might gray. It's sort of rainy, but it might go and and if we don't go now, then we go and and if we don't go now, then we go and and if we don't go now, then we like lose the whole broadcast the live like lose the whole broadcast the live like lose the whole broadcast the live broadcast entirely or something. I don't broadcast entirely or something. I don't broadcast entirely or something. I don't even know. But, um, thankfully, it even know. But, um, thankfully, it even know. But, um, thankfully, it didn't it didn't play out that way. But, didn't it didn't play out that way. But, didn't it didn't play out that way. But, I suppose that's kind of the stress of a I suppose that's kind of the stress of a I suppose that's kind of the stress of a live event. And in a lot of ways, that live event. And in a lot of ways, that live event. And in a lot of ways, that was the challenge of this whole project was the challenge of this whole project was the challenge of this whole project is being able to just handle the stress is being able to just handle the stress is being able to just handle the stress or like handle to compartmentalize all or like handle to compartmentalize all or like handle to compartmentalize all that. Just be like, you know what, I that. Just be like, you know what, I that. Just be like, you know what, I know how to climb. I'm going to focus on know how to climb. I'm going to focus on know how to climb. I'm going to focus on the climbing. Let everything else just the climbing. Let everything else just the climbing. Let everything else just kind of play out. kind of play out. kind of play out. >> What is your strategy for that? Do you >> What is your strategy for that? Do you >> What is your strategy for that? Do you have like a a routine? Like the morning have like a a routine? Like the morning have like a a routine? Like the morning of like what are you doing to get into of like what are you doing to get into of like what are you doing to get into the frame of mind to do this thing? the frame of mind to do this thing? the frame of mind to do this thing? >> Freaking playing some table tennis. >> Freaking playing some table tennis. >> Freaking playing some table tennis. Yeah. No, no, no. Just kidding. Um, no, Yeah. No, no, no. Just kidding. Um, no, Yeah. No, no, no. Just kidding. Um, no, the morning of uh actually I've already the morning of uh actually I've already the morning of uh actually I've already kind of forgotten. I think I got up and kind of forgotten. I think I got up and kind of forgotten. I think I got up and uh chill morning. I think maybe did some uh chill morning. I think maybe did some uh chill morning. I think maybe did some stretching and stuff. Rolled a little stretching and stuff. Rolled a little stretching and stuff. Rolled a little bit. I had like a foam roll. I had a bit. I had like a foam roll. I had a bit. I had like a foam roll. I had a little edge I could pull on to like warm little edge I could pull on to like warm little edge I could pull on to like warm fingers up a bit. Um I don't think I did fingers up a bit. Um I don't think I did fingers up a bit. Um I don't think I did a hotel gym session that day and then a hotel gym session that day and then a hotel gym session that day and then basically just went down, had breakfast, basically just went down, had breakfast, basically just went down, had breakfast, and went to the building. But I think I and went to the building. But I think I and went to the building. But I think I did some warm-up stuff. Maybe did some warm-up stuff. Maybe did some warm-up stuff. Maybe >> you didn't go to the You didn't do a gym >> you didn't go to the You didn't do a gym >> you didn't go to the You didn't do a gym workout before you climbed the building. workout before you climbed the building. workout before you climbed the building. >> Well, I mean, we've been using the hotel >> Well, I mean, we've been using the hotel >> Well, I mean, we've been using the hotel gym because we're all super jet-lagged gym because we're all super jet-lagged gym because we're all super jet-lagged and so it's like you just get up super and so it's like you just get up super and so it's like you just get up super early and use the hotel gym. And in some early and use the hotel gym. And in some early and use the hotel gym. And in some ways, doing a bit of movement ahead of ways, doing a bit of movement ahead of ways, doing a bit of movement ahead of time did actually feel better. Um, you time did actually feel better. Um, you time did actually feel better. Um, you know, just cuz I mean like the first know, just cuz I mean like the first know, just cuz I mean like the first move off the ground is not that easy. I move off the ground is not that easy. I move off the ground is not that easy. I mean, it's it's not, you know, it's not mean, it's it's not, you know, it's not mean, it's it's not, you know, it's not the hardest part of the climb, but the hardest part of the climb, but the hardest part of the climb, but getting off the ground's not trivial and getting off the ground's not trivial and getting off the ground's not trivial and there all these freaking people watching there all these freaking people watching there all these freaking people watching you and it's like slightly embarrassing. you and it's like slightly embarrassing. you and it's like slightly embarrassing. So, I wanted to feel slightly warmed up So, I wanted to feel slightly warmed up So, I wanted to feel slightly warmed up when I got there just so that I'd feel when I got there just so that I'd feel when I got there just so that I'd feel confident getting off the ground. confident getting off the ground. confident getting off the ground. >> What was the hardest part? >> What was the hardest part? >> What was the hardest part? >> Just the bamboo boxes doing eight >> Just the bamboo boxes doing eight >> Just the bamboo boxes doing eight overhanging segments. uh they're all overhanging segments. uh they're all overhanging segments. uh they're all sort of the same and they just they're sort of the same and they just they're sort of the same and they just they're just tiring. just tiring. just tiring. >> Did as you as you got higher and the >> Did as you as you got higher and the >> Did as you as you got higher and the wind started to like get get, you know, wind started to like get get, you know, wind started to like get get, you know, kicked up and all that sort of thing. Uh kicked up and all that sort of thing. Uh kicked up and all that sort of thing. Uh was did you feel the building swaying at was did you feel the building swaying at was did you feel the building swaying at all? Was that an aspect of it? It wasn't all? Was that an aspect of it? It wasn't all? Was that an aspect of it? It wasn't doing that at all. doing that at all. doing that at all. >> Well, I was swaying in the wind. I mean, >> Well, I was swaying in the wind. I mean, >> Well, I was swaying in the wind. I mean, the wind was pretty intense and the wind the wind was pretty intense and the wind the wind was pretty intense and the wind was ripping around the southeast corner, was ripping around the southeast corner, was ripping around the southeast corner, which is the exact corner that I was which is the exact corner that I was which is the exact corner that I was climbing. And so, uh, I mean, this is climbing. And so, uh, I mean, this is climbing. And so, uh, I mean, this is just kind of a freak thing of the way just kind of a freak thing of the way just kind of a freak thing of the way the weather was and where the storm the weather was and where the storm the weather was and where the storm systems coming from and whatever, but so systems coming from and whatever, but so systems coming from and whatever, but so it was very strong wind. And I don't it was very strong wind. And I don't it was very strong wind. And I don't know if you could see in the broadcast, know if you could see in the broadcast, know if you could see in the broadcast, but up higher there were a few places but up higher there were a few places but up higher there were a few places where I was climbing on the left and where I was climbing on the left and where I was climbing on the left and then I traverse across the windows and then I traverse across the windows and then I traverse across the windows and then get to the dragon. And then when then get to the dragon. And then when then get to the dragon. And then when I'd reach around to the dragon, all of a I'd reach around to the dragon, all of a I'd reach around to the dragon, all of a sudden I'd sort of feel the full brunt sudden I'd sort of feel the full brunt sudden I'd sort of feel the full brunt of the wind coming from around the of the wind coming from around the of the wind coming from around the dragon. It was like, it was pretty dragon. It was like, it was pretty dragon. It was like, it was pretty gusty. I was like, "Oh." Cuz I was gusty. I was like, "Oh." Cuz I was gusty. I was like, "Oh." Cuz I was slightly sheltered if I was on the left, slightly sheltered if I was on the left, slightly sheltered if I was on the left, I was less sheltered if I was on the I was less sheltered if I was on the I was less sheltered if I was on the middle rat. And then when I was on the middle rat. And then when I was on the middle rat. And then when I was on the dragon, depending which side and dragon, depending which side and dragon, depending which side and everything and then as I got higher on everything and then as I got higher on everything and then as I got higher on the tower, like one, you're higher, so the tower, like one, you're higher, so the tower, like one, you're higher, so it's stronger wind. And then two, there it's stronger wind. And then two, there it's stronger wind. And then two, there was less building kind of sheltering me. was less building kind of sheltering me. was less building kind of sheltering me. So I was just Yeah. I mean, the wind was So I was just Yeah. I mean, the wind was So I was just Yeah. I mean, the wind was like pretty intense at the top. like pretty intense at the top. like pretty intense at the top. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like had it been a little bit more, it >> Like had it been a little bit more, it >> Like had it been a little bit more, it would have been almost too, you know, I would have been almost too, you know, I would have been almost too, you know, I was like, "Oh, this is like pretty was like, "Oh, this is like pretty was like, "Oh, this is like pretty strong wind." Like I'm noticing. strong wind." Like I'm noticing. strong wind." Like I'm noticing. >> You stood on the top for way longer than >> You stood on the top for way longer than >> You stood on the top for way longer than anybody was comfortable with. anybody was comfortable with. anybody was comfortable with. >> Yeah. It's funny. I I wonder though, so >> Yeah. It's funny. I I wonder though, so >> Yeah. It's funny. I I wonder though, so I've heard that from tons of people I've heard that from tons of people I've heard that from tons of people being like, "That made me so being like, "That made me so being like, "That made me so uncomfortable." And I kind of wonder if uncomfortable." And I kind of wonder if uncomfortable." And I kind of wonder if that's because that's the one part of that's because that's the one part of that's because that's the one part of the whole climb that people can kind of the whole climb that people can kind of the whole climb that people can kind of identify with, but they can like imagine identify with, but they can like imagine identify with, but they can like imagine standing on a small thing. But like standing on a small thing. But like standing on a small thing. But like obviously standing on a ledge is a lot obviously standing on a ledge is a lot obviously standing on a ledge is a lot easier than freaking climbing the side easier than freaking climbing the side easier than freaking climbing the side of the building. But I think when people of the building. But I think when people of the building. But I think when people see the climbing they're like, "Well, see the climbing they're like, "Well, see the climbing they're like, "Well, that's crazy. Nobody does that." But that's crazy. Nobody does that." But that's crazy. Nobody does that." But then when they imagine standing on a then when they imagine standing on a then when they imagine standing on a little thing, they're like, "That seems little thing, they're like, "That seems little thing, they're like, "That seems scary." And I'm like, "Well, no. scary." And I'm like, "Well, no. scary." And I'm like, "Well, no. Compared to climbing the thing, it's Compared to climbing the thing, it's Compared to climbing the thing, it's pretty chill to stand on top." pretty chill to stand on top." pretty chill to stand on top." Uh, all right. Final thing before we're Uh, all right. Final thing before we're Uh, all right. Final thing before we're gonna uh we're going to bring another gonna uh we're going to bring another gonna uh we're going to bring another guest up here in a second. Uh, I know guest up here in a second. Uh, I know guest up here in a second. Uh, I know that Tulle was on your playlist. Uh, that Tulle was on your playlist. Uh, that Tulle was on your playlist. Uh, your music went out at some point, but your music went out at some point, but your music went out at some point, but like what what what else is on your what like what what what else is on your what like what what what else is on your what are you listening to? Oh, it was all are you listening to? Oh, it was all are you listening to? Oh, it was all just kind of rock from early 2000s just kind of rock from early 2000s just kind of rock from early 2000s basically like things things like Tool, basically like things things like Tool, basically like things things like Tool, a handful of other bands that I love. a handful of other bands that I love. a handful of other bands that I love. But, um, yeah, it was funny. I could But, um, yeah, it was funny. I could But, um, yeah, it was funny. I could like barely hear stuff through the like barely hear stuff through the like barely hear stuff through the earpiece and stuff was cutting in and earpiece and stuff was cutting in and earpiece and stuff was cutting in and out and it was super windy and I could out and it was super windy and I could out and it was super windy and I could kind of hear but it was still nice to kind of hear but it was still nice to kind of hear but it was still nice to have a few little tunes going once in a have a few little tunes going once in a have a few little tunes going once in a while. We're like, "Oh, this is fun." It while. We're like, "Oh, this is fun." It while. We're like, "Oh, this is fun." It kind of contributed to the the joofial kind of contributed to the the joofial kind of contributed to the the joofial vibe, you know? We're like, "Oh, this is vibe, you know? We're like, "Oh, this is vibe, you know? We're like, "Oh, this is this is a pleasure. this is a pleasure. this is a pleasure. Um, final thing. I thought I said that Um, final thing. I thought I said that Um, final thing. I thought I said that was the final thing. One more thing. Uh, was the final thing. One more thing. Uh, was the final thing. One more thing. Uh, is there is there anything else that you is there is there anything else that you is there is there anything else that you want to say about the experience uh that want to say about the experience uh that want to say about the experience uh that you think people are misunderstanding or you think people are misunderstanding or you think people are misunderstanding or don't quite get about what you just did? don't quite get about what you just did? don't quite get about what you just did? >> I don't think so. I mean, I I think I >> I don't think so. I mean, I I think I >> I don't think so. I mean, I I think I mean, I I haven't actually finished the mean, I I haven't actually finished the mean, I I haven't actually finished the whole broadcast myself, so I haven't whole broadcast myself, so I haven't whole broadcast myself, so I haven't seen the the show, but it seems like seen the the show, but it seems like seen the the show, but it seems like people that watched the show did get a people that watched the show did get a people that watched the show did get a good impression of how much fun I was good impression of how much fun I was good impression of how much fun I was having and like that it was it was kind having and like that it was it was kind having and like that it was it was kind of joyous. And something that I said, of joyous. And something that I said, of joyous. And something that I said, um, I had this conversation, I think, um, I had this conversation, I think, um, I had this conversation, I think, with my wife a few times before the with my wife a few times before the with my wife a few times before the actual event, but when it was sort of actual event, but when it was sort of actual event, but when it was sort of announced that I was going to do a climb announced that I was going to do a climb announced that I was going to do a climb like this, there was tons of criticism like this, there was tons of criticism like this, there was tons of criticism online of like, "Oh, this is stunt. This online of like, "Oh, this is stunt. This online of like, "Oh, this is stunt. This is whatever." And I was kind of like, is whatever." And I was kind of like, is whatever." And I was kind of like, "You know what? Wait and see." Cuz all "You know what? Wait and see." Cuz all "You know what? Wait and see." Cuz all these people are just going to watch the these people are just going to watch the these people are just going to watch the thing and they're going to see me having thing and they're going to see me having thing and they're going to see me having a great time on this beautiful building a great time on this beautiful building a great time on this beautiful building and they're going to get it. you know, and they're going to get it. you know, and they're going to get it. you know, they're going to be like, "Oh, no wonder they're going to be like, "Oh, no wonder they're going to be like, "Oh, no wonder he says yes to do something like that. he says yes to do something like that. he says yes to do something like that. It's so freaking fun. That looks so It's so freaking fun. That looks so It's so freaking fun. That looks so cool." Like, I would do that if I could cool." Like, I would do that if I could cool." Like, I would do that if I could because it's fun. Like, that's neat. And because it's fun. Like, that's neat. And because it's fun. Like, that's neat. And so, hopefully people that watch the so, hopefully people that watch the so, hopefully people that watch the broadcast I don't know, people I did get broadcast I don't know, people I did get broadcast I don't know, people I did get that impression. that impression. that impression. >> I don't know. I don't know how many >> I don't know. I don't know how many >> I don't know. I don't know how many people are like, I want to do that. But people are like, I want to do that. But people are like, I want to do that. But hopefully it at least gave some of the hopefully it at least gave some of the hopefully it at least gave some of the the childlike joy of getting to climb the childlike joy of getting to climb the childlike joy of getting to climb something really cool that you normally something really cool that you normally something really cool that you normally wouldn't be allowed to. wouldn't be allowed to. wouldn't be allowed to. >> You were having so much fun that it was >> You were having so much fun that it was >> You were having so much fun that it was uncomfortable. You know, it's like, how uncomfortable. You know, it's like, how uncomfortable. You know, it's like, how could he be having so much fun doing could he be having so much fun doing could he be having so much fun doing this crazy thing that's making me so this crazy thing that's making me so this crazy thing that's making me so uncomfortable? He's having more fun than uncomfortable? He's having more fun than uncomfortable? 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Um, I want to bring up here, uh, Adam Um, I want to bring up here, uh, Adam Um, I want to bring up here, uh, Adam Skolnick, uh, who some of you may know Skolnick, uh, who some of you may know Skolnick, uh, who some of you may know is my occasional co-host here on on the is my occasional co-host here on on the is my occasional co-host here on on the podcast. Hey guys. podcast. Hey guys. podcast. Hey guys. >> Uh, Adam is a journalist and writer, uh, >> Uh, Adam is a journalist and writer, uh, >> Uh, Adam is a journalist and writer, uh, and he, uh, he wrote the New York Times and he, uh, he wrote the New York Times and he, uh, he wrote the New York Times piece uh, on Alex in advance of of the piece uh, on Alex in advance of of the piece uh, on Alex in advance of of the climb and then ended up going to Taipei climb and then ended up going to Taipei climb and then ended up going to Taipei and was there in person. So, I wanted to and was there in person. So, I wanted to and was there in person. So, I wanted to bring him up because I wanted to get the bring him up because I wanted to get the bring him up because I wanted to get the perspective, uh, the sort of man on the perspective, uh, the sort of man on the perspective, uh, the sort of man on the street perspective of what it was like street perspective of what it was like street perspective of what it was like to be there watching it, you know, boots to be there watching it, you know, boots to be there watching it, you know, boots on the ground, uh, you know, in in in on the ground, uh, you know, in in in on the ground, uh, you know, in in in real time. real time. real time. >> And for what it's for what it's worth, I >> And for what it's for what it's worth, I >> And for what it's for what it's worth, I remember waving to you through the remember waving to you through the remember waving to you through the observation deck window. observation deck window. observation deck window. >> We're going to get to that. We're going >> We're going to get to that. We're going >> We're going to get to that. We're going to get to that. to get to that. to get to that. >> I was like, Adam was there. Cuz I waved >> I was like, Adam was there. Cuz I waved >> I was like, Adam was there. Cuz I waved at him through the window as I finished at him through the window as I finished at him through the window as I finished the climb. I was like, "So cool." the climb. I was like, "So cool." the climb. I was like, "So cool." >> I think a hundred million people saw >> I think a hundred million people saw >> I think a hundred million people saw that wave. that wave. that wave. >> Oh, yeah. There you go. There you go. >> Oh, yeah. There you go. There you go. >> Oh, yeah. There you go. There you go. >> Yeah. I mean, it was um, you know, I >> Yeah. I mean, it was um, you know, I >> Yeah. I mean, it was um, you know, I when you have the opportunity to, when you have the opportunity to, when you have the opportunity to, you know, get in into this production you know, get in into this production you know, get in into this production and and and see it from the inside, I and and and see it from the inside, I and and and see it from the inside, I just had to go. So, it was one of those just had to go. So, it was one of those just had to go. So, it was one of those things where after meeting you in Vegas things where after meeting you in Vegas things where after meeting you in Vegas and and interviewing you, I just knew I and and interviewing you, I just knew I and and interviewing you, I just knew I had to be there to watch it cuz it I I had to be there to watch it cuz it I I had to be there to watch it cuz it I I just had a sense that it was going to be just had a sense that it was going to be just had a sense that it was going to be this thing that you just can't miss. And this thing that you just can't miss. And this thing that you just can't miss. And to see that it got so big and and and to see that it got so big and and and to see that it got so big and and and went so wild. Um it it just it's just went so wild. Um it it just it's just went so wild. Um it it just it's just makes me you know makes me realize that makes me you know makes me realize that makes me you know makes me realize that I was right. And so so the the event I was right. And so so the the event I was right. And so so the the event itself was um it was rainy for the days itself was um it was rainy for the days itself was um it was rainy for the days ahead. And so I remember meeting with ahead. And so I remember meeting with ahead. And so I remember meeting with you in your in your room and and and uh you in your in your room and and and uh you in your in your room and and and uh losing in ping pong a few times and you losing in ping pong a few times and you losing in ping pong a few times and you were telling me about the soot. You were were telling me about the soot. You were were telling me about the soot. You were tell and it seemed like you you know you tell and it seemed like you you know you tell and it seemed like you you know you normally wouldn't sit and and watch a normally wouldn't sit and and watch a normally wouldn't sit and and watch a building in the rain for days ahead of building in the rain for days ahead of building in the rain for days ahead of time and so there was a little bit of time and so there was a little bit of time and so there was a little bit of anxiety. And so then on the day it was anxiety. And so then on the day it was anxiety. And so then on the day it was supposed to happen, it was still wet. supposed to happen, it was still wet. supposed to happen, it was still wet. And so their crowd wasn't as huge as I And so their crowd wasn't as huge as I And so their crowd wasn't as huge as I I'd expected. And then because it was I'd expected. And then because it was I'd expected. And then because it was delayed a day, because they didn't delayed a day, because they didn't delayed a day, because they didn't announce and then then people were like, announce and then then people were like, announce and then then people were like, "Wait, is it going to happen?" And then "Wait, is it going to happen?" And then "Wait, is it going to happen?" And then they they announced late. Um I think they they announced late. Um I think they they announced late. Um I think that was really brilliant because it that was really brilliant because it that was really brilliant because it built anticipation not just um abroad, built anticipation not just um abroad, built anticipation not just um abroad, but in Taipei. And so I was hearing it but in Taipei. And so I was hearing it but in Taipei. And so I was hearing it on the on the on in the cabs on the on the on the on in the cabs on the on the on the on in the cabs on the radio. Everyone's like, "It's going to radio. Everyone's like, "It's going to radio. Everyone's like, "It's going to happen tomorrow. It's going to happen happen tomorrow. It's going to happen happen tomorrow. It's going to happen tomorrow. Hopefully. Hopefully." And and tomorrow. Hopefully. Hopefully." And and tomorrow. Hopefully. Hopefully." And and then there was it was like a movie. I then there was it was like a movie. I then there was it was like a movie. I mean, it was like it was exactly what mean, it was like it was exactly what mean, it was like it was exactly what you said. you said. you said. Hundreds of thousands of people on the Hundreds of thousands of people on the Hundreds of thousands of people on the street in the park across the street in street in the park across the street in street in the park across the street in the building. It was it was literally a the building. It was it was literally a the building. It was it was literally a movie. And and then, you know, to watch movie. And and then, you know, to watch movie. And and then, you know, to watch you do it uh from the stage area, it was you do it uh from the stage area, it was you do it uh from the stage area, it was just frightening. You know, I I didn't just frightening. You know, I I didn't just frightening. You know, I I didn't even sleep a couple days before. Like, I even sleep a couple days before. Like, I even sleep a couple days before. Like, I was having trouble sleeping for you cuz was having trouble sleeping for you cuz was having trouble sleeping for you cuz I was like, "Oh, man." And then and then I was like, "Oh, man." And then and then I was like, "Oh, man." And then and then to watch you do it. As soon as you got to watch you do it. As soon as you got to watch you do it. As soon as you got as tall as the flag poles, I was like I as tall as the flag poles, I was like I as tall as the flag poles, I was like I mean my stomach was flip-flopping. The mean my stomach was flip-flopping. The mean my stomach was flip-flopping. The gasps. Everyone was like on a string. It gasps. Everyone was like on a string. It gasps. Everyone was like on a string. It was like gasps, moans, uh cringing. It was like gasps, moans, uh cringing. It was like gasps, moans, uh cringing. It was like all over. And I think it wasn't was like all over. And I think it wasn't was like all over. And I think it wasn't just on the street. It was in people's just on the street. It was in people's just on the street. It was in people's living rooms were having that same I living rooms were having that same I living rooms were having that same I mean maybe you were having the same mean maybe you were having the same mean maybe you were having the same experience. It was like it was experience. It was like it was experience. It was like it was impossible to watch but you couldn't impossible to watch but you couldn't impossible to watch but you couldn't look away. look away. look away. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was having a great time. >> I was having a great time. >> I was having a great time. >> Having a good time. I mean, my phone's >> Having a good time. I mean, my phone's >> Having a good time. I mean, my phone's blowing up. Like, I'm just texting and blowing up. Like, I'm just texting and blowing up. Like, I'm just texting and sending voice memos back and forth from sending voice memos back and forth from sending voice memos back and forth from friends and like, what, you know, how friends and like, what, you know, how friends and like, what, you know, how are you feeling? What's going, you know, are you feeling? What's going, you know, are you feeling? What's going, you know, it's like I'm sure this was going on it's like I'm sure this was going on it's like I'm sure this was going on with a lot of people. Like, we were all with a lot of people. Like, we were all with a lot of people. Like, we were all like, you know, processing our anxiety. like, you know, processing our anxiety. like, you know, processing our anxiety. >> Yeah. Yeah. People are literally you're >> Yeah. Yeah. People are literally you're >> Yeah. Yeah. People are literally you're making people's palms sweat and they're making people's palms sweat and they're making people's palms sweat and they're just sitting on their couch. just sitting on their couch. just sitting on their couch. >> I mean, that's what was going on. It was >> I mean, that's what was going on. It was >> I mean, that's what was going on. It was It was pretty wild. And then after like It was pretty wild. And then after like It was pretty wild. And then after like the first 50 floors though, like I don't the first 50 floors though, like I don't the first 50 floors though, like I don't know what it was, but when you like know what it was, but when you like know what it was, but when you like stood on that on the first I think it stood on that on the first I think it stood on that on the first I think it was the first dragon and you're sitting was the first dragon and you're sitting was the first dragon and you're sitting on like the first one or maybe it was on like the first one or maybe it was on like the first one or maybe it was the second one. You're standing there the second one. You're standing there the second one. You're standing there and you look down. You get real close to and you look down. You get real close to and you look down. You get real close to the edge and you look down and the edge and you look down and the edge and you look down and everyone's like woo. But at that point everyone's like woo. But at that point everyone's like woo. But at that point something happened like my brain got something happened like my brain got something happened like my brain got used to seeing you on the side of a used to seeing you on the side of a used to seeing you on the side of a building these little window ledges and building these little window ledges and building these little window ledges and like my anxiety went away. And then like my anxiety went away. And then like my anxiety went away. And then because you had told me to go to that because you had told me to go to that because you had told me to go to that observation deck, I just boned out and observation deck, I just boned out and observation deck, I just boned out and left left the production area and just left left the production area and just left left the production area and just like got in line and did the whole thing like got in line and did the whole thing like got in line and did the whole thing with all the with all the locals and got with all the with all the locals and got with all the with all the locals and got up there. And so that's where that's up there. And so that's where that's up there. And so that's where that's where I saw you. where I saw you. where I saw you. >> Basically, you ended up on the 89th >> Basically, you ended up on the 89th >> Basically, you ended up on the 89th floor at the right moment when Alex is floor at the right moment when Alex is floor at the right moment when Alex is passing because Alex was like, "This is passing because Alex was like, "This is passing because Alex was like, "This is what you need to do." And you were like, what you need to do." And you were like, what you need to do." And you were like, "How do I do that?" And he said, "Just "How do I do that?" And he said, "Just "How do I do that?" And he said, "Just go buy a ticket." go buy a ticket." go buy a ticket." >> Yeah. It was so weird. You didn't have >> Yeah. It was so weird. You didn't have >> Yeah. It was so weird. You didn't have like a fancy press pass or some like VIP like a fancy press pass or some like VIP like a fancy press pass or some like VIP permission to get up there? permission to get up there? permission to get up there? >> No, we we had this discussion like >> No, we we had this discussion like >> No, we we had this discussion like basically I got out there I went out basically I got out there I went out basically I got out there I went out there on spec cuz I wrote the times there on spec cuz I wrote the times there on spec cuz I wrote the times piece but then like no one was asking me piece but then like no one was asking me piece but then like no one was asking me to be there. So like I I went out there to be there. So like I I went out there to be there. So like I I went out there on my own and when I was there it was on my own and when I was there it was on my own and when I was there it was just like I wasn't used to how just like I wasn't used to how just like I wasn't used to how productions work. So I didn't have productions work. So I didn't have productions work. So I didn't have access that I thought I might have and access that I thought I might have and access that I thought I might have and so I was just kind of trying to figure so I was just kind of trying to figure so I was just kind of trying to figure out what to do. And at breakfast one out what to do. And at breakfast one out what to do. And at breakfast one morning you said just go up to the morning you said just go up to the morning you said just go up to the observation deck and I'm like they won't observation deck and I'm like they won't observation deck and I'm like they won't let me. And you're like you can just buy let me. And you're like you can just buy let me. And you're like you can just buy a ticket. a ticket. a ticket. >> Yeah. It's like tourists do that. I mean >> Yeah. It's like tourists do that. I mean >> Yeah. It's like tourists do that. I mean I I'd done that. You just go to the I I'd done that. You just go to the I I'd done that. You just go to the observation deck. The view is epic. And observation deck. The view is epic. And observation deck. The view is epic. And it's even cooler when there's somebody it's even cooler when there's somebody it's even cooler when there's somebody freaking climbing out the outside corner freaking climbing out the outside corner freaking climbing out the outside corner and you're like whoa. and you're like whoa. and you're like whoa. >> Like what a weird day on the observation >> Like what a weird day on the observation >> Like what a weird day on the observation deck. It was like the dress rehearsal deck. It was like the dress rehearsal deck. It was like the dress rehearsal day and so I did that and then when I day and so I did that and then when I day and so I did that and then when I was there I was like I'm up there and was there I was like I'm up there and was there I was like I'm up there and I'm like oh [ __ ] I got to buy like I'm like oh [ __ ] I got to buy like I'm like oh [ __ ] I got to buy like tickets for the next 3 days because of tickets for the next 3 days because of tickets for the next 3 days because of the forecast. So while I was up there the forecast. So while I was up there the forecast. So while I was up there smart and then so because I had that smart and then so because I had that smart and then so because I had that ticket it was like a combo of the ticket ticket it was like a combo of the ticket ticket it was like a combo of the ticket and the press pass got me past this like and the press pass got me past this like and the press pass got me past this like huge demoralizing line and I'm like no I huge demoralizing line and I'm like no I huge demoralizing line and I'm like no I got to go. I got to go. And then got to go. I got to go. And then got to go. I got to go. And then finally, like I I just I got up to the finally, like I I just I got up to the finally, like I I just I got up to the right corner and I just wanted to be out right corner and I just wanted to be out right corner and I just wanted to be out of the shot and so uh the cameraman said of the shot and so uh the cameraman said of the shot and so uh the cameraman said just go to the corner. And so I'm in the just go to the corner. And so I'm in the just go to the corner. And so I'm in the corner and that's exactly where you're corner and that's exactly where you're corner and that's exactly where you're doing that traverse that you just doing that traverse that you just doing that traverse that you just described going from the left around to described going from the left around to described going from the left around to the right and it just hit you with the the right and it just hit you with the the right and it just hit you with the wind. It just was like Yeah. Because he wind. It just was like Yeah. Because he wind. It just was like Yeah. Because he set it up. set it up. set it up. >> Yeah. So, I don't know how many of you >> Yeah. So, I don't know how many of you >> Yeah. So, I don't know how many of you guys know, but Adam took out his phone guys know, but Adam took out his phone guys know, but Adam took out his phone and made a little short video as as uh and made a little short video as as uh and made a little short video as as uh as Alex was, you know, passing by. And as Alex was, you know, passing by. And as Alex was, you know, passing by. And he you sent it to your wife, April, and he you sent it to your wife, April, and he you sent it to your wife, April, and she did a little little minor edit and she did a little little minor edit and she did a little little minor edit and threw it up and you threw it up on threw it up and you threw it up on threw it up and you threw it up on Instagram. Instagram. Instagram. >> That video now has 38 million views or >> That video now has 38 million views or >> That video now has 38 million views or something like that. It is insane. Like something like that. It is insane. Like something like that. It is insane. Like so so Adam is like quietly you know like so so Adam is like quietly you know like so so Adam is like quietly you know like has this like you know wild like you has this like you know wild like you has this like you know wild like you know like you you you're a beneficiary know like you you you're a beneficiary know like you you you're a beneficiary of this on some level I guess but like of this on some level I guess but like of this on some level I guess but like this this video yeah like you need to this this video yeah like you need to this this video yeah like you need to thank this video went nuts uh and got thank this video went nuts uh and got thank this video went nuts uh and got picked it's been repurposed on picked it's been repurposed on picked it's been repurposed on everybody's account as well including everybody's account as well including everybody's account as well including >> when you did Kimmel last night they used >> when you did Kimmel last night they used >> when you did Kimmel last night they used your video your video your video >> that was Adam's video where they >> that was Adam's video where they >> that was Adam's video where they superimposed GMO on it. superimposed GMO on it. superimposed GMO on it. >> Oh yeah. Okay. I I didn't even see that. >> Oh yeah. Okay. I I didn't even see that. >> Oh yeah. Okay. I I didn't even see that. That's fun. That's fun. That's fun. >> Yeah. So, you have Adam to thank for >> Yeah. So, you have Adam to thank for >> Yeah. So, you have Adam to thank for that. that. that. >> No, no, I have you to thank like he's >> No, no, I have you to thank like he's >> No, no, I have you to thank like he's like go to the observation deck. So, I like go to the observation deck. So, I like go to the observation deck. So, I don't know. It's like one of those weird don't know. It's like one of those weird don't know. It's like one of those weird things. I think because it got so big things. I think because it got so big things. I think because it got so big because we It was It was funny cuz you because we It was It was funny cuz you because we It was It was funny cuz you said hello and you gave the thumbs up said hello and you gave the thumbs up said hello and you gave the thumbs up and then I in real time I sent it to and then I in real time I sent it to and then I in real time I sent it to April and April happened to be able to April and April happened to be able to April and April happened to be able to be respons. She was watching it. Zuma be respons. She was watching it. Zuma be respons. She was watching it. Zuma had a little had his little chalk bag on had a little had his little chalk bag on had a little had his little chalk bag on and he was watching it and um and so uh and he was watching it and um and so uh and he was watching it and um and so uh I sent it to her and she uh cut it real I sent it to her and she uh cut it real I sent it to her and she uh cut it real quick and put it up. So he was still quick and put it up. So he was still quick and put it up. So he was still climbing. You were still climbing when climbing. You were still climbing when climbing. You were still climbing when that video went up and so that's why I that video went up and so that's why I that video went up and so that's why I think we just caught a wave. Yeah. Yeah. think we just caught a wave. Yeah. Yeah. think we just caught a wave. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um Adam, what what can you Yeah. Yeah. Um Adam, what what can you Yeah. Yeah. Um Adam, what what can you share about the time that you spent with share about the time that you spent with share about the time that you spent with uh with Alex when you went to visit him uh with Alex when you went to visit him uh with Alex when you went to visit him uh in in in Las Vegas? you this New York uh in in in Las Vegas? you this New York uh in in in Las Vegas? you this New York Times piece came out, but a lot got Times piece came out, but a lot got Times piece came out, but a lot got edited out. There were plenty of other edited out. There were plenty of other edited out. There were plenty of other insights that you wanted to share, like insights that you wanted to share, like insights that you wanted to share, like what what do you think would be what what do you think would be what what do you think would be interesting for people to know that they interesting for people to know that they interesting for people to know that they might not know about Alex and his life? might not know about Alex and his life? might not know about Alex and his life? >> Tell them about your heroing survival >> Tell them about your heroing survival >> Tell them about your heroing survival experience getting down from the crag. I experience getting down from the crag. I experience getting down from the crag. I took him out for a normal day at the took him out for a normal day at the took him out for a normal day at the cliff and cliff and cliff and >> we're talking about everything. Okay. >> we're talking about everything. Okay. >> we're talking about everything. Okay. So, two things. One is when I when I met So, two things. One is when I when I met So, two things. One is when I when I met you in Taipei, you're like you were you in Taipei, you're like you were you in Taipei, you're like you were threatened to do a rope swing off the threatened to do a rope swing off the threatened to do a rope swing off the top of the building with me cuz in the top of the building with me cuz in the top of the building with me cuz in the at the crag in Vegas, that was what he at the crag in Vegas, that was what he at the crag in Vegas, that was what he said. We're going to put you on a rope said. We're going to put you on a rope said. We're going to put you on a rope swing. And of course, I was hoping that swing. And of course, I was hoping that swing. And of course, I was hoping that wouldn't happen. So the whole time I'm wouldn't happen. So the whole time I'm wouldn't happen. So the whole time I'm interviewing you between your your interviewing you between your your interviewing you between your your attempts to to to climb this route um attempts to to to climb this route um attempts to to to climb this route um that it gets later and later and the that it gets later and later and the that it gets later and later and the sun's going down, I'm like, "Okay, I sun's going down, I'm like, "Okay, I sun's going down, I'm like, "Okay, I don't have to do the rope swing because don't have to do the rope swing because don't have to do the rope swing because I hate heights. I'm like the opposite. I I hate heights. I'm like the opposite. I I hate heights. I'm like the opposite. I I don't even like standing on a ledge I don't even like standing on a ledge I don't even like standing on a ledge looking I I don't even want to stand on looking I I don't even want to stand on looking I I don't even want to stand on that thing right there. That's me. And that thing right there. That's me. And that thing right there. That's me. And so I had to climb up. You had to hoist so I had to climb up. You had to hoist so I had to climb up. You had to hoist me up to the to this rope swing. And me up to the to this rope swing. And me up to the to this rope swing. And then I did the rope swing. And on the then I did the rope swing. And on the then I did the rope swing. And on the way down um my ankle gave out. And so I way down um my ankle gave out. And so I way down um my ankle gave out. And so I was limping. And at one point he's like, was limping. And at one point he's like, was limping. And at one point he's like, I think I might have to carry you. I I think I might have to carry you. I I think I might have to carry you. I could probably carry you. And I'm all I could probably carry you. And I'm all I could probably carry you. And I'm all I can think of that doesn't I can't injure can think of that doesn't I can't injure can think of that doesn't I can't injure you. You're like supposed to be in you. You're like supposed to be in you. You're like supposed to be in Taipei in a month. I can't do that. Taipei in a month. I can't do that. Taipei in a month. I can't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would have carried Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would have carried Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would have carried you though. He did great. It's one of you though. He did great. It's one of you though. He did great. It's one of the best rope swings in the world. It's the best rope swings in the world. It's the best rope swings in the world. It's so cool. Insane rope swing. so cool. Insane rope swing. so cool. Insane rope swing. >> Uh but one thing I thought because I >> Uh but one thing I thought because I >> Uh but one thing I thought because I talked to Sonnie about this is what was talked to Sonnie about this is what was talked to Sonnie about this is what was interesting. Josh McCoy was staying with interesting. Josh McCoy was staying with interesting. Josh McCoy was staying with you and um and he was living in his van you and um and he was living in his van you and um and he was living in his van and then I talked to Tommy Caldwell and and then I talked to Tommy Caldwell and and then I talked to Tommy Caldwell and he said that sometimes there are six he said that sometimes there are six he said that sometimes there are six vans there and and Sonnie said that it vans there and and Sonnie said that it vans there and and Sonnie said that it was something like when you were living was something like when you were living was something like when you were living out of your van, you always you know you out of your van, you always you know you out of your van, you always you know you couldn't you couldn't give. you're couldn't you couldn't give. you're couldn't you couldn't give. you're always in a receiving position and when always in a receiving position and when always in a receiving position and when you moved to Vegas, you wanted to set up you moved to Vegas, you wanted to set up you moved to Vegas, you wanted to set up a place for your friends who were who a place for your friends who were who a place for your friends who were who were climbers who were dirt bagging to were climbers who were dirt bagging to were climbers who were dirt bagging to hang out. And I just thought the biggest hang out. And I just thought the biggest hang out. And I just thought the biggest thing that I think was missing from the thing that I think was missing from the thing that I think was missing from the Times piece was that that you're Times piece was that that you're Times piece was that that you're thinking that way and that you're a thinking that way and that you're a thinking that way and that you're a leader for this community in Vegas and leader for this community in Vegas and leader for this community in Vegas and and and and all of that. So, I wonder and and and all of that. So, I wonder and and and all of that. So, I wonder how that kind of how that kind of how that kind of >> I don't know, but yeah, it's true that >> I don't know, but yeah, it's true that >> I don't know, but yeah, it's true that we often have many people living in we often have many people living in we often have many people living in their cars at our house. Um, but that's their cars at our house. Um, but that's their cars at our house. Um, but that's fair because I lived down in my van for fair because I lived down in my van for fair because I lived down in my van for a very long time and I would always park a very long time and I would always park a very long time and I would always park in front of friends houses and use their in front of friends houses and use their in front of friends houses and use their washing machines, use their showers, use washing machines, use their showers, use washing machines, use their showers, use whatever. And so now it's nice that we whatever. And so now it's nice that we whatever. And so now it's nice that we own a home uh that I can sort of share a own a home uh that I can sort of share a own a home uh that I can sort of share a little bit. And a lot of my friends that little bit. And a lot of my friends that little bit. And a lot of my friends that I've been climbing with my whole life I've been climbing with my whole life I've been climbing with my whole life are are basically older homeless people are are basically older homeless people are are basically older homeless people now. You know, they're like mid-40s like now. You know, they're like mid-40s like now. You know, they're like mid-40s like live in a car. They've lived in a car live in a car. They've lived in a car live in a car. They've lived in a car their whole life. No real prospects. their whole life. No real prospects. their whole life. No real prospects. They're kind of like, "Yeah, you're They're kind of like, "Yeah, you're They're kind of like, "Yeah, you're welcome to live in my driveway as long welcome to live in my driveway as long welcome to live in my driveway as long as you need." But, you know, and and as you need." But, you know, and and as you need." But, you know, and and some of them I suspect will be living some of them I suspect will be living some of them I suspect will be living with me uh into her old age. But that's with me uh into her old age. But that's with me uh into her old age. But that's but that's fine. I mean, that's the but that's fine. I mean, that's the but that's fine. I mean, that's the climbing lifestyle. climbing lifestyle. climbing lifestyle. >> Uhhuh. Um, what has the uh reception uh >> Uhhuh. Um, what has the uh reception uh >> Uhhuh. Um, what has the uh reception uh by the climbing community of this event by the climbing community of this event by the climbing community of this event event been like for you? Like how how do event been like for you? Like how how do event been like for you? Like how how do your peers and your friends, you know, your peers and your friends, you know, your peers and your friends, you know, kind of think about this? Like the the kind of think about this? Like the the kind of think about this? Like the the the real, you know, dirt bag community? the real, you know, dirt bag community? the real, you know, dirt bag community? >> Yeah. Honestly, I'm not sure. I mean, so >> Yeah. Honestly, I'm not sure. I mean, so >> Yeah. Honestly, I'm not sure. I mean, so my close friends who I hang out with all my close friends who I hang out with all my close friends who I hang out with all the time were like, "Oh, that's cool." the time were like, "Oh, that's cool." the time were like, "Oh, that's cool." And and we got a few videos while we And and we got a few videos while we And and we got a few videos while we were in Taipei from uh our friends were in Taipei from uh our friends were in Taipei from uh our friends hosting watch parties, you know, like hosting watch parties, you know, like hosting watch parties, you know, like basically groups of our friends in in uh basically groups of our friends in in uh basically groups of our friends in in uh Lake Tahoe or Las Vegas sort of sending Lake Tahoe or Las Vegas sort of sending Lake Tahoe or Las Vegas sort of sending a video of like everybody hanging out a video of like everybody hanging out a video of like everybody hanging out watching the broadcast. And so that was watching the broadcast. And so that was watching the broadcast. And so that was cool. It was nice to know that, you cool. It was nice to know that, you cool. It was nice to know that, you know, my friends supported and having a know, my friends supported and having a know, my friends supported and having a good time, but in general, I don't good time, but in general, I don't good time, but in general, I don't really know how the community, but it really know how the community, but it really know how the community, but it seems seems good. I don't know. seems seems good. I don't know. seems seems good. I don't know. watching this go down uh made me realize watching this go down uh made me realize watching this go down uh made me realize that like I I have no idea like I every that like I I have no idea like I every that like I I have no idea like I every time I talk to you I I think that like I time I talk to you I I think that like I time I talk to you I I think that like I kind of have a grip on what what it is kind of have a grip on what what it is kind of have a grip on what what it is that you do and then I see you do these that you do and then I see you do these that you do and then I see you do these things and I was like I don't really things and I was like I don't really things and I was like I don't really understand this at all. And one of the understand this at all. And one of the understand this at all. And one of the things that was really shocking to me things that was really shocking to me things that was really shocking to me was realizing that when you got to the was realizing that when you got to the was realizing that when you got to the top of that building that that's top of that building that that's top of that building that that's basically only half as high as LCAP. basically only half as high as LCAP. basically only half as high as LCAP. >> Okay. Yeah. Totally. and and and like >> Okay. Yeah. Totally. and and and like >> Okay. Yeah. Totally. and and and like half as hard half as hard half as hard >> and like you know just so much easier in >> and like you know just so much easier in >> and like you know just so much easier in comparison and it just gave me such a comparison and it just gave me such a comparison and it just gave me such a deeper level of like awe and respect for deeper level of like awe and respect for deeper level of like awe and respect for that climb in comparison to this and that climb in comparison to this and that climb in comparison to this and this is the one that's really captured this is the one that's really captured this is the one that's really captured you know the world. Um and yet like LCAP you know the world. Um and yet like LCAP you know the world. Um and yet like LCAP is like so much more of a stunning is like so much more of a stunning is like so much more of a stunning achievement. achievement. achievement. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. I mean Elap was >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. I mean Elap was >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. I mean Elap was but Elcap I mean I've been quietly but Elcap I mean I've been quietly but Elcap I mean I've been quietly toiling away at for for years and years. toiling away at for for years and years. toiling away at for for years and years. I mean the the film Free Solo, the I mean the the film Free Solo, the I mean the the film Free Solo, the documentary captured sort of the two documentary captured sort of the two documentary captured sort of the two years of direct effort that I was years of direct effort that I was years of direct effort that I was putting into that climb, but I've been putting into that climb, but I've been putting into that climb, but I've been thinking about it for I don't know six thinking about it for I don't know six thinking about it for I don't know six six years before that. So I've been six years before that. So I've been six years before that. So I've been working at it forever and then finally working at it forever and then finally working at it forever and then finally managed to to actually feel comfortable managed to to actually feel comfortable managed to to actually feel comfortable and then climb it. And so it's you know and then climb it. And so it's you know and then climb it. And so it's you know I mean it's great documentary and you I mean it's great documentary and you I mean it's great documentary and you know yeah won best picture and or best know yeah won best picture and or best know yeah won best picture and or best documentary all that kind of stuff but documentary all that kind of stuff but documentary all that kind of stuff but but yeah I don't know I mean it's just but yeah I don't know I mean it's just but yeah I don't know I mean it's just such a different process than like a such a different process than like a such a different process than like a huge live TV spectacle. huge live TV spectacle. huge live TV spectacle. Um, I want to open it up uh for all of Um, I want to open it up uh for all of Um, I want to open it up uh for all of you guys to ask questions, but before we you guys to ask questions, but before we you guys to ask questions, but before we do that, Adam, is there any other kind do that, Adam, is there any other kind do that, Adam, is there any other kind of like insight that you want to share of like insight that you want to share of like insight that you want to share before you leave the stage here? before you leave the stage here? before you leave the stage here? >> Oh, yeah. Well, um, the only thing that >> Oh, yeah. Well, um, the only thing that >> Oh, yeah. Well, um, the only thing that comes to mind is that, uh, I mean, you comes to mind is that, uh, I mean, you comes to mind is that, uh, I mean, you just did a Mount Wilson quad, which is just did a Mount Wilson quad, which is just did a Mount Wilson quad, which is another free solo, and you had told me another free solo, and you had told me another free solo, and you had told me that like what I didn't realize was that like what I didn't realize was that like what I didn't realize was between free solo and skyscraper, you' between free solo and skyscraper, you' between free solo and skyscraper, you' done eight or nine solos that people done eight or nine solos that people done eight or nine solos that people didn't know about. like that your MO is didn't know about. like that your MO is didn't know about. like that your MO is to kind of go figure up a project that to kind of go figure up a project that to kind of go figure up a project that that that inspires you that gets you that that inspires you that gets you that that inspires you that gets you into the kind of that flow state mode into the kind of that flow state mode into the kind of that flow state mode and then just go do it kind of like and then just go do it kind of like and then just go do it kind of like lowkey and no one ever sees and you told lowkey and no one ever sees and you told lowkey and no one ever sees and you told me like no one no one even cares because me like no one no one even cares because me like no one no one even cares because it's not LCAP and and and so then you it's not LCAP and and and so then you it's not LCAP and and and so then you then so but I didn't realize you were then so but I didn't realize you were then so but I didn't realize you were doing that this whole time. Um yeah. doing that this whole time. Um yeah. doing that this whole time. Um yeah. >> Yeah. No, I mean I'm kind of constantly >> Yeah. No, I mean I'm kind of constantly >> Yeah. No, I mean I'm kind of constantly working on something that's exciting to working on something that's exciting to working on something that's exciting to me. So yeah, before the skyscraper thing me. So yeah, before the skyscraper thing me. So yeah, before the skyscraper thing u in December, I did a solo project at u in December, I did a solo project at u in December, I did a solo project at home uh in Las Vegas that I was kind of home uh in Las Vegas that I was kind of home uh in Las Vegas that I was kind of proud of. It kind it turned out being proud of. It kind it turned out being proud of. It kind it turned out being kind of dumber than I hoped for. It like kind of dumber than I hoped for. It like kind of dumber than I hoped for. It like wasn't that cool. But um but it was hard wasn't that cool. But um but it was hard wasn't that cool. But um but it was hard and you know hasn't been done before and and you know hasn't been done before and and you know hasn't been done before and it's you know it was cool and it was it's you know it was cool and it was it's you know it was cool and it was challenging and it sort of pushed me in challenging and it sort of pushed me in challenging and it sort of pushed me in the right way. Got me in the right space the right way. Got me in the right space the right way. Got me in the right space for for soling a skyscraper. But um but for for soling a skyscraper. But um but for for soling a skyscraper. But um but it was 4,000 vertical feet combined, it was 4,000 vertical feet combined, it was 4,000 vertical feet combined, right? Something like that. right? Something like that. right? Something like that. >> More than that, I think. Um it was a >> More than that, I think. Um it was a >> More than that, I think. Um it was a lot. It was a Tre. It was like 12 hours lot. It was a Tre. It was like 12 hours lot. It was a Tre. It was like 12 hours of 12 hours exercise, but um yeah, up of 12 hours exercise, but um yeah, up of 12 hours exercise, but um yeah, up and down this this mountain four times. and down this this mountain four times. and down this this mountain four times. It's a really big mountain. It's a really big mountain. It's a really big mountain. >> Is there another one on on in your mind >> Is there another one on on in your mind >> Is there another one on on in your mind already? already? already? >> Not like that. No, actually I kind of >> Not like that. No, actually I kind of >> Not like that. No, actually I kind of think 2026 I might focus just on hard think 2026 I might focus just on hard think 2026 I might focus just on hard climbing like bouldering and sport climbing like bouldering and sport climbing like bouldering and sport climbing kind of like safe climbing um climbing kind of like safe climbing um climbing kind of like safe climbing um and leave the adventure stuff for for and leave the adventure stuff for for and leave the adventure stuff for for another year. But we'll see because I've another year. But we'll see because I've another year. But we'll see because I've I've had many years in the past where I've had many years in the past where I've had many years in the past where I'm like this is going to be my year to I'm like this is going to be my year to I'm like this is going to be my year to focus on hard stuff and then I always focus on hard stuff and then I always focus on hard stuff and then I always get sucked into adventure stuff instead get sucked into adventure stuff instead get sucked into adventure stuff instead because it's so much more adventurous. because it's so much more adventurous. because it's so much more adventurous. It's so much more fun. I have been doing a lot of traveling I have been doing a lot of traveling lately and it occurred to me that while lately and it occurred to me that while lately and it occurred to me that while we think travel is about the city we're we think travel is about the city we're we think travel is about the city we're visiting, we actually don't realize how visiting, we actually don't realize how visiting, we actually don't realize how much of the experience is colored by the much of the experience is colored by the much of the experience is colored by the choice we make about where we're choice we make about where we're choice we make about where we're staying. For example, I was recently in staying. For example, I was recently in staying. For example, I was recently in Palm Beach, Florida to speak at this Palm Beach, Florida to speak at this Palm Beach, Florida to speak at this event called Udonia and they put me up event called Udonia and they put me up event called Udonia and they put me up in this perfectly fine hotel that served in this perfectly fine hotel that served in this perfectly fine hotel that served as the event HQ. But then I had lunch as the event HQ. But then I had lunch as the event HQ. But then I had lunch with my guy Michael Chernau who told me with my guy Michael Chernau who told me with my guy Michael Chernau who told me he booked a stay with Airbnb right down he booked a stay with Airbnb right down he booked a stay with Airbnb right down the road that had a sauna and a cold the road that had a sauna and a cold the road that had a sauna and a cold plunge and a kitchen. And I was like, plunge and a kitchen. And I was like, plunge and a kitchen. And I was like, "What am I doing? 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Instead, I did what I think most of us Instead, I did what I think most of us Instead, I did what I think most of us do when we travel, especially when we do when we travel, especially when we do when we travel, especially when we travel for work, which is shuttle travel for work, which is shuttle travel for work, which is shuttle between airport and hotel and conference between airport and hotel and conference between airport and hotel and conference venue or meeting place. just kind of venue or meeting place. just kind of venue or meeting place. just kind of passing through a place we traveled very passing through a place we traveled very passing through a place we traveled very far to visit without ever really far to visit without ever really far to visit without ever really connecting authentically with it. And connecting authentically with it. And connecting authentically with it. 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Uh, who wants to of you guys out here. Uh, who wants to of you guys out here. Uh, who wants to go first? Who's who's got a burning go first? Who's who's got a burning go first? Who's who's got a burning desire right there? desire right there? desire right there? >> That's the spirit. >> That's the spirit. >> That's the spirit. >> Really want to ask the question. Uh, >> Really want to ask the question. Uh, >> Really want to ask the question. Uh, share with us your your name and and and share with us your your name and and and share with us your your name and and and and who you are. and who you are. and who you are. >> Hi everybody. My name is Taylor. Hi >> Hi everybody. My name is Taylor. Hi >> Hi everybody. My name is Taylor. Hi Rich. Hi, Alex. Um, thank you so much Rich. Hi, Alex. Um, thank you so much Rich. Hi, Alex. Um, thank you so much for doing this. This is so cool. Um, for doing this. This is so cool. Um, for doing this. This is so cool. Um, Alex, I have a question for you. Your Alex, I have a question for you. Your Alex, I have a question for you. Your drive is so inspiring. Um, there's an drive is so inspiring. Um, there's an drive is so inspiring. Um, there's an instance that I specifically remember in instance that I specifically remember in instance that I specifically remember in your documentary Free Solo that you come your documentary Free Solo that you come your documentary Free Solo that you come down after su after successfully down after su after successfully down after su after successfully summoning it and you answer a question summoning it and you answer a question summoning it and you answer a question from one of your teammates where they from one of your teammates where they from one of your teammates where they say, "Hey, what are you going to do say, "Hey, what are you going to do say, "Hey, what are you going to do right now?" and you say, "Oh, I'm going right now?" and you say, "Oh, I'm going right now?" and you say, "Oh, I'm going to go back to my van and I'm going to do to go back to my van and I'm going to do to go back to my van and I'm going to do um pull-ups in my van." um pull-ups in my van." um pull-ups in my van." >> Um your drive, do you find that that was >> Um your drive, do you find that that was >> Um your drive, do you find that that was always an intrinsic trait that you've always an intrinsic trait that you've always an intrinsic trait that you've had or have you had to like develop that had or have you had to like develop that had or have you had to like develop that and work on that? and work on that? and work on that? >> That's an interesting question. I mean, >> That's an interesting question. I mean, >> That's an interesting question. I mean, I think my drive to climb is somewhat I think my drive to climb is somewhat I think my drive to climb is somewhat intrinsic. Like, I love rock climbing intrinsic. Like, I love rock climbing intrinsic. Like, I love rock climbing and and I've always wanted to go climb and and I've always wanted to go climb and and I've always wanted to go climb more than I want to do anything else. more than I want to do anything else. more than I want to do anything else. And then and I think there's a little And then and I think there's a little And then and I think there's a little bit of an innate, you know, if I'm going bit of an innate, you know, if I'm going bit of an innate, you know, if I'm going to do something, I want to do it as well to do something, I want to do it as well to do something, I want to do it as well as I can. And so, but like that it's as I can. And so, but like that it's as I can. And so, but like that it's funny that that experience with free funny that that experience with free funny that that experience with free solo. Um, solo. Um, solo. Um, basically I've been I've been training basically I've been I've been training basically I've been I've been training every other day. I've been hangboarding every other day. I've been hangboarding every other day. I've been hangboarding every other day and feeling like great every other day and feeling like great every other day and feeling like great results from it. You know, I've been results from it. You know, I've been results from it. You know, I've been kind of in this nice healthy routine kind of in this nice healthy routine kind of in this nice healthy routine where I was like every other day I do where I was like every other day I do where I was like every other day I do this certain workout. And so naturally, this certain workout. And so naturally, this certain workout. And so naturally, I'd rested the day before freesting all I'd rested the day before freesting all I'd rested the day before freesting all cap because I want to be fresh for all cap because I want to be fresh for all cap because I want to be fresh for all cap. So then I climbed all cap and then cap. So then I climbed all cap and then cap. So then I climbed all cap and then I was kind of like, well, you know, this I was kind of like, well, you know, this I was kind of like, well, you know, this is my day for hangboarding. I want to is my day for hangboarding. I want to is my day for hangboarding. I want to stick to my routine. And the routine had stick to my routine. And the routine had stick to my routine. And the routine had kind of like led me to the point that I kind of like led me to the point that I kind of like led me to the point that I was able to freestyle all cap. So you was able to freestyle all cap. So you was able to freestyle all cap. So you don't want to abandon this like really don't want to abandon this like really don't want to abandon this like really happy healthy routine that it's been happy healthy routine that it's been happy healthy routine that it's been working for you. And I mean in some ways working for you. And I mean in some ways working for you. And I mean in some ways with the building I've kind of with the building I've kind of with the building I've kind of experienced the same thing where I was experienced the same thing where I was experienced the same thing where I was like oh I've spent months training like oh I've spent months training like oh I've spent months training leading up to the the building. It's leading up to the the building. It's leading up to the the building. It's like I kind of want to keep that going like I kind of want to keep that going like I kind of want to keep that going as as well as I can cuz I feel really as as well as I can cuz I feel really as as well as I can cuz I feel really fit. I've been climbing pretty well and fit. I've been climbing pretty well and fit. I've been climbing pretty well and you know I feel good about it. And so I you know I feel good about it. And so I you know I feel good about it. And so I don't know how much that's like innate don't know how much that's like innate don't know how much that's like innate drive or not, but it's kind of like once drive or not, but it's kind of like once drive or not, but it's kind of like once you find a nice healthy system that's you find a nice healthy system that's you find a nice healthy system that's working for you and you feel like you're working for you and you feel like you're working for you and you feel like you're sort of living your best life, it's like sort of living your best life, it's like sort of living your best life, it's like you hate to give that up just because you hate to give that up just because you hate to give that up just because you did one climb or another. you did one climb or another. you did one climb or another. >> Sort of a followup to that. Uh how do >> Sort of a followup to that. Uh how do >> Sort of a followup to that. Uh how do you decide what to say yes to and what you decide what to say yes to and what you decide what to say yes to and what to say no to? Uh and how do you like to say no to? Uh and how do you like to say no to? Uh and how do you like anticipate handling what I'm sure are anticipate handling what I'm sure are anticipate handling what I'm sure are just an insane number of requests coming just an insane number of requests coming just an insane number of requests coming your way right now? like you must just your way right now? like you must just your way right now? like you must just be getting shellacked with people who be getting shellacked with people who be getting shellacked with people who want you to go speak and you know all want you to go speak and you know all want you to go speak and you know all kinds of crazy stuff, right? And wanting kinds of crazy stuff, right? And wanting kinds of crazy stuff, right? And wanting to, you know, be the climber and stay to, you know, be the climber and stay to, you know, be the climber and stay fit and all of those things. Sometimes fit and all of those things. Sometimes fit and all of those things. Sometimes those those are in conflict with each those those are in conflict with each those those are in conflict with each other. other. other. >> Yeah. Well, honestly, I've been working >> Yeah. Well, honestly, I've been working >> Yeah. Well, honestly, I've been working with the same team since 2012 or with the same team since 2012 or with the same team since 2012 or something, the same sort of management something, the same sort of management something, the same sort of management team, which you know, you share. And you team, which you know, you share. And you team, which you know, you share. And you know, I'm pretty well insulated from all know, I'm pretty well insulated from all know, I'm pretty well insulated from all that kind of stuff. And so, in general, that kind of stuff. And so, in general, that kind of stuff. And so, in general, if if my team tells me to do a thing, if if my team tells me to do a thing, if if my team tells me to do a thing, I'll just do the thing because that's I'll just do the thing because that's I'll just do the thing because that's the right thing to do. Um, and so, you the right thing to do. Um, and so, you the right thing to do. Um, and so, you know, it's like if it's on my calendar, know, it's like if it's on my calendar, know, it's like if it's on my calendar, I do it. And if it's it doesn't show up I do it. And if it's it doesn't show up I do it. And if it's it doesn't show up on my calendar, then I don't. Um, and so on my calendar, then I don't. Um, and so on my calendar, then I don't. Um, and so yeah, I mean that's kind of but the yeah, I mean that's kind of but the yeah, I mean that's kind of but the priority is always to be the best priority is always to be the best priority is always to be the best climber that I can be and and to climber that I can be and and to climber that I can be and and to basically to send my project and and the basically to send my project and and the basically to send my project and and the people that I work with all know that people that I work with all know that people that I work with all know that that's the priority. And so we try to that's the priority. And so we try to that's the priority. And so we try to layer in as as many of these cool layer in as as many of these cool layer in as as many of these cool opportunities like the things that come opportunities like the things that come opportunities like the things that come up. It's like try to do as much as I can up. It's like try to do as much as I can up. It's like try to do as much as I can while still being as good of a climber while still being as good of a climber while still being as good of a climber as I can. So yeah, I mean it is hard to as I can. So yeah, I mean it is hard to as I can. So yeah, I mean it is hard to hard to balance that stuff though. hard to balance that stuff though. hard to balance that stuff though. Uh, all right. Who's next there? Uh, all right. Who's next there? Uh, all right. Who's next there? >> Hi, I'm Isidora. Uh, I work for Freaks >> Hi, I'm Isidora. Uh, I work for Freaks >> Hi, I'm Isidora. Uh, I work for Freaks of Nature with this lovely man right of Nature with this lovely man right of Nature with this lovely man right here. But, uh, it's for skincare for and here. But, uh, it's for skincare for and here. But, uh, it's for skincare for and by athletes. Yeah, I know it. by athletes. Yeah, I know it. by athletes. Yeah, I know it. >> I think we briefly met actually at >> I think we briefly met actually at >> I think we briefly met actually at Northface Climb. Northface Climb. Northface Climb. >> Um, but, uh, thank you both again for >> Um, but, uh, thank you both again for >> Um, but, uh, thank you both again for doing this. Uh, there's been a lot of, doing this. Uh, there's been a lot of, doing this. Uh, there's been a lot of, uh, media around the playlist. uh, media around the playlist. uh, media around the playlist. >> Um, obviously a lot of Tool. I saw like >> Um, obviously a lot of Tool. I saw like >> Um, obviously a lot of Tool. I saw like Senses Fail, Lincoln Park, uh maybe Senses Fail, Lincoln Park, uh maybe Senses Fail, Lincoln Park, uh maybe System of a Down, a lot of bangers on System of a Down, a lot of bangers on System of a Down, a lot of bangers on there. Has any of your favorite there. Has any of your favorite there. Has any of your favorite musicians reached out to you? musicians reached out to you? musicians reached out to you? >> Uh yeah, a couple people have reached >> Uh yeah, a couple people have reached >> Uh yeah, a couple people have reached out. A guy from the used reached out and out. A guy from the used reached out and out. A guy from the used reached out and was like, "Come to a show." And I was was like, "Come to a show." And I was was like, "Come to a show." And I was like, "Sweet." I love the youth since like, "Sweet." I love the youth since like, "Sweet." I love the youth since like since 1996 or you know, it's like I like since 1996 or you know, it's like I like since 1996 or you know, it's like I don't know. And actually, uh all the don't know. And actually, uh all the don't know. And actually, uh all the members of Tulle commented on a couple members of Tulle commented on a couple members of Tulle commented on a couple of the random social media things which of the random social media things which of the random social media things which I was like Maynard the dude. I was so I was like Maynard the dude. I was so I was like Maynard the dude. I was so psyched. Um, yeah. For whatever reason, psyched. Um, yeah. For whatever reason, psyched. Um, yeah. For whatever reason, I think the some of the musicians I I think the some of the musicians I I think the some of the musicians I think because some of that music I've think because some of that music I've think because some of that music I've listened to literally my whole life and listened to literally my whole life and listened to literally my whole life and so to get comments from from folks that so to get comments from from folks that so to get comments from from folks that uh that you know I've loved their work uh that you know I've loved their work uh that you know I've loved their work for my whole life. I'm like that's so for my whole life. I'm like that's so for my whole life. I'm like that's so great. great. great. >> But um yeah, hopefully I'll get to like >> But um yeah, hopefully I'll get to like >> But um yeah, hopefully I'll get to like go to a few shows or something. go to a few shows or something. go to a few shows or something. >> Maybe one will want you to teach them >> Maybe one will want you to teach them >> Maybe one will want you to teach them how to climb a building. how to climb a building. how to climb a building. >> I mean I would. If anybody wants to >> I mean I would. If anybody wants to >> I mean I would. If anybody wants to learn how to climb a building, you just learn how to climb a building, you just learn how to climb a building, you just ask. ask. ask. >> What's the craziest message that you've >> What's the craziest message that you've >> What's the craziest message that you've gotten in the aftermath of this? Like gotten in the aftermath of this? Like gotten in the aftermath of this? Like I'm imagining like Tom Cruz is watching I'm imagining like Tom Cruz is watching I'm imagining like Tom Cruz is watching this and he's like I got to talk to this and he's like I got to talk to this and he's like I got to talk to Alex. I I don't know actually. Well, so Alex. I I don't know actually. Well, so Alex. I I don't know actually. Well, so that's the thing is I don't really have that's the thing is I don't really have that's the thing is I don't really have the social apps on my phone. I have this the social apps on my phone. I have this the social apps on my phone. I have this weird managery thing. So I can't really weird managery thing. So I can't really weird managery thing. So I can't really see it just doesn't work the way social see it just doesn't work the way social see it just doesn't work the way social does, which is kind of better cuz does, which is kind of better cuz does, which is kind of better cuz otherwise I get sucked into it's just otherwise I get sucked into it's just otherwise I get sucked into it's just too crazy. I mean I think since the too crazy. I mean I think since the too crazy. I mean I think since the building uh was just been going off. building uh was just been going off. building uh was just been going off. It's crazy. Um so I can't really get too It's crazy. Um so I can't really get too It's crazy. Um so I can't really get too sucked into it. I can kind of see like sucked into it. I can kind of see like sucked into it. I can kind of see like weird snapshots and get an idea of weird snapshots and get an idea of weird snapshots and get an idea of trends and stuff, but um but no, I just trends and stuff, but um but no, I just trends and stuff, but um but no, I just don't even know if or who was messaging. don't even know if or who was messaging. don't even know if or who was messaging. And then every once in a while I borrow And then every once in a while I borrow And then every once in a while I borrow my wife's phone cuz I'm just like, "Oh, my wife's phone cuz I'm just like, "Oh, my wife's phone cuz I'm just like, "Oh, what did people say about my playlist?" what did people say about my playlist?" what did people say about my playlist?" you know, it's like you just can't can't you know, it's like you just can't can't you know, it's like you just can't can't resist the urge to like see, you know, resist the urge to like see, you know, resist the urge to like see, you know, but then but then but then >> people love the playlist. >> people love the playlist. >> people love the playlist. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, great. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, great. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, great. >> Um, you're there. >> Um, you're there. >> Um, you're there. >> It's funny cuz I made that playlist >> It's funny cuz I made that playlist >> It's funny cuz I made that playlist while I was driving across Nevada. I was while I was driving across Nevada. I was while I was driving across Nevada. I was just like alone in my van for a long just like alone in my van for a long just like alone in my van for a long time driving for eight hours and I was time driving for eight hours and I was time driving for eight hours and I was just sort of like, what are songs that I just sort of like, what are songs that I just sort of like, what are songs that I love that I' I'd be happy to listen to? love that I' I'd be happy to listen to? love that I' I'd be happy to listen to? And, you know, had I known them to be And, you know, had I known them to be And, you know, had I known them to be such a public thing, I maybe would have such a public thing, I maybe would have such a public thing, I maybe would have curated a little bit more, but that curated a little bit more, but that curated a little bit more, but that really just reflected one drive where I really just reflected one drive where I really just reflected one drive where I was like, this is what I want to listen was like, this is what I want to listen was like, this is what I want to listen to right now. to right now. to right now. >> Hey, Alex. Hey, Rich. Stuart Ambrose >> Hey, Alex. Hey, Rich. Stuart Ambrose >> Hey, Alex. Hey, Rich. Stuart Ambrose from the Finding Mastery team. So great from the Finding Mastery team. So great from the Finding Mastery team. So great to be here and uh so grateful that you to be here and uh so grateful that you to be here and uh so grateful that you got to do this for us. So um I got to got to do this for us. So um I got to got to do this for us. So um I got to watch the climb that you did with my watch the climb that you did with my watch the climb that you did with my children children children >> and I have a nine-year-old and I have a >> and I have a nine-year-old and I have a >> and I have a nine-year-old and I have a 14-year-old and they were gobsmacked the 14-year-old and they were gobsmacked the 14-year-old and they were gobsmacked the entire time. You now have two young entire time. You now have two young entire time. You now have two young children, too. And I'm just curious like children, too. And I'm just curious like children, too. And I'm just curious like how what did this experience how did it how what did this experience how did it how what did this experience how did it were you is there anything you wish your were you is there anything you wish your were you is there anything you wish your kids would learn or other kids that got kids would learn or other kids that got kids would learn or other kids that got to watch it would learn and would take to watch it would learn and would take to watch it would learn and would take away from it? I was just I was curious away from it? I was just I was curious away from it? I was just I was curious how that now that especially that you're how that now that especially that you're how that now that especially that you're a parent how you approached kind of that a parent how you approached kind of that a parent how you approached kind of that element of it. It was really special to element of it. It was really special to element of it. It was really special to watch it with kids who are just in awe. watch it with kids who are just in awe. watch it with kids who are just in awe. So thank you. So thank you. So thank you. >> Well my children are are going to turn >> Well my children are are going to turn >> Well my children are are going to turn two and four in the next couple weeks two and four in the next couple weeks two and four in the next couple weeks and uh they were the opposite of and uh they were the opposite of and uh they were the opposite of gobsmacked. They were like, "This is gobsmacked. They were like, "This is gobsmacked. They were like, "This is boring." You know, so we uh we watched boring." You know, so we uh we watched boring." You know, so we uh we watched the first 20 minutes with them when we the first 20 minutes with them when we the first 20 minutes with them when we got home and uh and then we had to put got home and uh and then we had to put got home and uh and then we had to put them to bed and we gave up. They didn't them to bed and we gave up. They didn't them to bed and we gave up. They didn't really care. We're like, "Oh, we'll really care. We're like, "Oh, we'll really care. We're like, "Oh, we'll watch it eventually." But um but no, I watch it eventually." But um but no, I watch it eventually." But um but no, I mean, I think in general, I mean, I hope mean, I think in general, I mean, I hope mean, I think in general, I mean, I hope that older kids, if they take anything that older kids, if they take anything that older kids, if they take anything from that, they just take the, you know, from that, they just take the, you know, from that, they just take the, you know, sort of the effort, the preparation that sort of the effort, the preparation that sort of the effort, the preparation that they see that something that looks they see that something that looks they see that something that looks impossible or looks really hard is impossible or looks really hard is impossible or looks really hard is actually fine if you put the effort into actually fine if you put the effort into actually fine if you put the effort into it and you and you make it happen. Um I it and you and you make it happen. Um I it and you and you make it happen. Um I don't know. I mean, I hate to, you know, don't know. I mean, I hate to, you know, don't know. I mean, I hate to, you know, you don't like live your dreams. All you don't like live your dreams. All you don't like live your dreams. All that kind of like random stuff. But that kind of like random stuff. But that kind of like random stuff. But hopefully for a kid, you can see that hopefully for a kid, you can see that hopefully for a kid, you can see that and be like, oh, like doesn't matter and be like, oh, like doesn't matter and be like, oh, like doesn't matter what other people say is normal or what other people say is normal or what other people say is normal or expected or what, you know, should be expected or what, you know, should be expected or what, you know, should be possible. It's like if you think you can possible. It's like if you think you can possible. It's like if you think you can do a thing and you train for it and you do a thing and you train for it and you do a thing and you train for it and you feel prepared, like go do the thing. I feel prepared, like go do the thing. I feel prepared, like go do the thing. I hope. But not that I'm encouraging kids hope. But not that I'm encouraging kids hope. But not that I'm encouraging kids to go climb skyscrapers, but you know, to go climb skyscrapers, but you know, to go climb skyscrapers, but you know, with a lifetime of training, why not? with a lifetime of training, why not? with a lifetime of training, why not? >> Do you think about that? Do you worry or >> Do you think about that? Do you worry or >> Do you think about that? Do you worry or are you concerned that like people who are you concerned that like people who are you concerned that like people who shouldn't be climbing skyscrapers are shouldn't be climbing skyscrapers are shouldn't be climbing skyscrapers are now going to go out and like try to do now going to go out and like try to do now going to go out and like try to do that as a result? that as a result? that as a result? >> No. That was a common question during >> No. That was a common question during >> No. That was a common question during the free solo film tour with like, "Oh, the free solo film tour with like, "Oh, the free solo film tour with like, "Oh, aren't you worried you're going to aren't you worried you're going to aren't you worried you're going to inspire kids to go free solo big walls?" inspire kids to go free solo big walls?" inspire kids to go free solo big walls?" And I was like, "No, it's pretty uh And I was like, "No, it's pretty uh And I was like, "No, it's pretty uh self- selecting. It's like basically I self- selecting. It's like basically I self- selecting. It's like basically I mean free soling is pretty hard." And so mean free soling is pretty hard." And so mean free soling is pretty hard." And so you just can't really get that high, you you just can't really get that high, you you just can't really get that high, you know? It's like basically you have to know? It's like basically you have to know? It's like basically you have to intentionally make each move. So you're intentionally make each move. So you're intentionally make each move. So you're like, I'm going up a move, I'm going up like, I'm going up a move, I'm going up like, I'm going up a move, I'm going up another move. And if you're not cut out another move. And if you're not cut out another move. And if you're not cut out for it, you're not physically and for it, you're not physically and for it, you're not physically and psychologically prepared. Once you're 8 psychologically prepared. Once you're 8 psychologically prepared. Once you're 8 feet off the ground, you're like, "This feet off the ground, you're like, "This feet off the ground, you're like, "This is really scary." And it's kind of hard is really scary." And it's kind of hard is really scary." And it's kind of hard to get high enough where you're actually to get high enough where you're actually to get high enough where you're actually going to die. Uh, unless you're really going to die. Uh, unless you're really going to die. Uh, unless you're really choosing to be there. So, I'm kind of choosing to be there. So, I'm kind of choosing to be there. So, I'm kind of like, it's not one of those things that like, it's not one of those things that like, it's not one of those things that people can imitate, you know? Like, if people can imitate, you know? Like, if people can imitate, you know? Like, if you're not an elite rock climber, you you're not an elite rock climber, you you're not an elite rock climber, you can't just walk up to the base cat and can't just walk up to the base cat and can't just walk up to the base cat and be like, I'm free soloing it. It's like be like, I'm free soloing it. It's like be like, I'm free soloing it. It's like you literally can't get off the ground. you literally can't get off the ground. you literally can't get off the ground. And with Typo 101, like I was saying And with Typo 101, like I was saying And with Typo 101, like I was saying earlier, one of the the first move off earlier, one of the the first move off earlier, one of the the first move off the ground is actually kind of hard. And the ground is actually kind of hard. And the ground is actually kind of hard. And so, just right there, it's like the so, just right there, it's like the so, just right there, it's like the average person can't just like walk up average person can't just like walk up average person can't just like walk up and do it. like it's, you know, they and do it. like it's, you know, they and do it. like it's, you know, they won't get off the ground. And then even won't get off the ground. And then even won't get off the ground. And then even if they do, once they mantle up the if they do, once they mantle up the if they do, once they mantle up the first little thing and they're standing first little thing and they're standing first little thing and they're standing there, they're, you know, maybe 8 ft off there, they're, you know, maybe 8 ft off there, they're, you know, maybe 8 ft off the ground, they'd be like, "Oh, oh, the ground, they'd be like, "Oh, oh, the ground, they'd be like, "Oh, oh, this is kind of scary. Like, I'm going this is kind of scary. Like, I'm going this is kind of scary. Like, I'm going to break my ankle on the concrete." And to break my ankle on the concrete." And to break my ankle on the concrete." And then unless they're really psyched and then unless they're really psyched and then unless they're really psyched and they have a plan, they're just not going they have a plan, they're just not going they have a plan, they're just not going to make it much higher. to make it much higher. to make it much higher. >> I want to hear from Sonnie. Is Sonnie >> I want to hear from Sonnie. Is Sonnie >> I want to hear from Sonnie. Is Sonnie here? She There she is. Uh, here? She There she is. Uh, here? She There she is. Uh, >> wow. >> wow. >> wow. >> Uh, I know that, uh, Sonnie, everyone >> Uh, I know that, uh, Sonnie, everyone >> Uh, I know that, uh, Sonnie, everyone asks you like, "How do you deal with it? asks you like, "How do you deal with it? asks you like, "How do you deal with it? How do you, you know, how do you uh, you How do you, you know, how do you uh, you How do you, you know, how do you uh, you know, what is your emotional state when know, what is your emotional state when know, what is your emotional state when Alex is doing all of these things? How Alex is doing all of these things? How Alex is doing all of these things? How do you, you know, kind of process the do you, you know, kind of process the do you, you know, kind of process the the risk and the fear? I want to know the risk and the fear? I want to know the risk and the fear? I want to know like what the aftermath like this the like what the aftermath like this the like what the aftermath like this the last like couple, you know, week or how last like couple, you know, week or how last like couple, you know, week or how how long has it been? Two weeks or how long has it been? Two weeks or how long has it been? Two weeks or something like that. It's been a week. something like that. It's been a week. something like that. It's been a week. >> A week uh has has been for you. Uh, and >> A week uh has has been for you. Uh, and >> A week uh has has been for you. Uh, and what the experience of of of being in what the experience of of of being in what the experience of of of being in Taipei was like for you from your Taipei was like for you from your Taipei was like for you from your perspective. perspective. perspective. So, So, So, Taipei was interesting because I don't Taipei was interesting because I don't Taipei was interesting because I don't watch Alex free solo that much. I I watch Alex free solo that much. I I watch Alex free solo that much. I I wasn't there when he soloed LCAP. Um, I wasn't there when he soloed LCAP. Um, I wasn't there when he soloed LCAP. Um, I have seen him solo a decent amount. Like have seen him solo a decent amount. Like have seen him solo a decent amount. Like when he did this big link up in Red when he did this big link up in Red when he did this big link up in Red Rock, I watched part of it and I've Rock, I watched part of it and I've Rock, I watched part of it and I've obviously seen him at the Crack just obviously seen him at the Crack just obviously seen him at the Crack just kind of playing around soloing things, kind of playing around soloing things, kind of playing around soloing things, but something this big of this nature I but something this big of this nature I but something this big of this nature I hadn't watched in person before. And um hadn't watched in person before. And um hadn't watched in person before. And um I I don't love it. Like it's very I I don't love it. Like it's very I I don't love it. Like it's very stressful even if I feel like he's stressful even if I feel like he's stressful even if I feel like he's confident. And I think because the confident. And I think because the confident. And I think because the conditions had been so bad leading up to conditions had been so bad leading up to conditions had been so bad leading up to the climb, I was way more stressed than the climb, I was way more stressed than the climb, I was way more stressed than I thought I was going to be because for I thought I was going to be because for I thought I was going to be because for so long we just been like, "Oh, the so long we just been like, "Oh, the so long we just been like, "Oh, the climb's going to be fine." Like that climb's going to be fine." Like that climb's going to be fine." Like that like that wasn't the part I was worried like that wasn't the part I was worried like that wasn't the part I was worried about. I was worried about maybe like about. I was worried about maybe like about. I was worried about maybe like the public nature of it and being in the the public nature of it and being in the the public nature of it and being in the public eye again and things like that. public eye again and things like that. public eye again and things like that. And I, you know, and then the the actual And I, you know, and then the the actual And I, you know, and then the the actual week came and I was like, wait, this week came and I was like, wait, this week came and I was like, wait, this isn't feeling as secure as I wanted it isn't feeling as secure as I wanted it isn't feeling as secure as I wanted it to feel. What the heck? And so, um, so I to feel. What the heck? And so, um, so I to feel. What the heck? And so, um, so I was more stressed than I thought I would was more stressed than I thought I would was more stressed than I thought I would be, but then at the same time, you know, be, but then at the same time, you know, be, but then at the same time, you know, I saw I was with my friend and I saw I saw I was with my friend and I saw I saw I was with my friend and I saw Alex smile and wave at that first thing Alex smile and wave at that first thing Alex smile and wave at that first thing and she was like, "He's fine. Look, it's and she was like, "He's fine. Look, it's and she was like, "He's fine. Look, it's great." And in my heart, I think I was great." And in my heart, I think I was great." And in my heart, I think I was kind of like, "He's fine. It's great." kind of like, "He's fine. It's great." kind of like, "He's fine. It's great." But my brain kind of kept being like, But my brain kind of kept being like, But my brain kind of kept being like, "What if it's too hot? what if it's too "What if it's too hot? what if it's too "What if it's too hot? what if it's too windy and just really wanting to like windy and just really wanting to like windy and just really wanting to like protect him and feeling really protect him and feeling really protect him and feeling really protective of him. Um, but he handled protective of him. Um, but he handled protective of him. Um, but he handled the pressure so well and it all went so the pressure so well and it all went so the pressure so well and it all went so well and and honestly, you know, as a well and and honestly, you know, as a well and and honestly, you know, as a team I think that there were so many team I think that there were so many team I think that there were so many people there supporting him and people there supporting him and people there supporting him and um afterwards it was almost like this um afterwards it was almost like this um afterwards it was almost like this this you almost like come down off of this you almost like come down off of this you almost like come down off of this high where you're like, "Wow, that this high where you're like, "Wow, that this high where you're like, "Wow, that was so special." Like I think the thing was so special." Like I think the thing was so special." Like I think the thing I was really surprised was how special I was really surprised was how special I was really surprised was how special it felt to share it with Taipei and with it felt to share it with Taipei and with it felt to share it with Taipei and with all the audience and everyone just felt all the audience and everyone just felt all the audience and everyone just felt so excited about it and then you kind of so excited about it and then you kind of so excited about it and then you kind of come down from that and you're like whoa come down from that and you're like whoa come down from that and you're like whoa it's over like okay and I had this it's over like okay and I had this it's over like okay and I had this moment where the next morning I went on moment where the next morning I went on moment where the next morning I went on a walk and it was this feeling of like a walk and it was this feeling of like a walk and it was this feeling of like okay that was sort of Alex's art and it okay that was sort of Alex's art and it okay that was sort of Alex's art and it was this beautiful thing and it was so was this beautiful thing and it was so was this beautiful thing and it was so special and it went out into the world special and it went out into the world special and it went out into the world and now you let go of it and you just and now you let go of it and you just and now you let go of it and you just say okay it's it's over and now we just say okay it's it's over and now we just say okay it's it's over and now we just go back to our normal life and we enjoy go back to our normal life and we enjoy go back to our normal life and we enjoy that just as much. And I had to kind of that just as much. And I had to kind of that just as much. And I had to kind of let it out of my heart and it was almost let it out of my heart and it was almost let it out of my heart and it was almost nostalgic like I was like leaving our nostalgic like I was like leaving our nostalgic like I was like leaving our hotel room and I was like this is where hotel room and I was like this is where hotel room and I was like this is where we played pingpong before Taipei 101. we played pingpong before Taipei 101. we played pingpong before Taipei 101. But yeah, you you let it out of your But yeah, you you let it out of your But yeah, you you let it out of your heart and you go back to normal life and heart and you go back to normal life and heart and you go back to normal life and you enjoy that too. So anyways, a bit of you enjoy that too. So anyways, a bit of you enjoy that too. So anyways, a bit of a a bit of a roller coaster and a bit of a a bit of a roller coaster and a bit of a a bit of a roller coaster and a bit of a journey, but it was surprisingly a journey, but it was surprisingly a journey, but it was surprisingly emotional and special with the whole emotional and special with the whole emotional and special with the whole audience there and and then it was good audience there and and then it was good audience there and and then it was good to come home and be with our kids, too. to come home and be with our kids, too. to come home and be with our kids, too. >> What did you guys do for the rest of the >> What did you guys do for the rest of the >> What did you guys do for the rest of the day after you finished the climb? day after you finished the climb? day after you finished the climb? >> Did a bunch of press stuff and then uh >> Did a bunch of press stuff and then uh >> Did a bunch of press stuff and then uh then had a crazy dumpling dinner. then had a crazy dumpling dinner. then had a crazy dumpling dinner. But no, it was it was just like hanging But no, it was it was just like hanging But no, it was it was just like hanging out with everybody. I mean, honestly, out with everybody. I mean, honestly, out with everybody. I mean, honestly, actually, my my cheeks hurt that day actually, my my cheeks hurt that day actually, my my cheeks hurt that day from smiling so much and like laughing. from smiling so much and like laughing. from smiling so much and like laughing. like all our friends are so everyone is like all our friends are so everyone is like all our friends are so everyone is so psychos actually something Sonni just so psychos actually something Sonni just so psychos actually something Sonni just said the the the city of Taipei it was said the the the city of Taipei it was said the the the city of Taipei it was really special being in the city because really special being in the city because really special being in the city because Taipei 101 holds such cultural Taipei 101 holds such cultural Taipei 101 holds such cultural significance for the city of Taipei and significance for the city of Taipei and significance for the city of Taipei and sort of the island of Taiwan it's like sort of the island of Taiwan it's like sort of the island of Taiwan it's like the people are so rightfully proud of the people are so rightfully proud of the people are so rightfully proud of this incredible architectural landmark this incredible architectural landmark this incredible architectural landmark you know it's like this iconic building you know it's like this iconic building you know it's like this iconic building and so people in the city were really and so people in the city were really and so people in the city were really freaking psyched on the whole thing and freaking psyched on the whole thing and freaking psyched on the whole thing and so I I hadn't totally anticipated that so I I hadn't totally anticipated that so I I hadn't totally anticipated that beforehand like just how much pride beforehand like just how much pride beforehand like just how much pride there was uh around in the building and there was uh around in the building and there was uh around in the building and then afterward the next day when we were then afterward the next day when we were then afterward the next day when we were flying out like people the air I just flying out like people the air I just flying out like people the air I just hadn't really realized that like the hadn't really realized that like the hadn't really realized that like the local media was so psyched local media was so psyched local media was so psyched >> the unsung heroes uh in this whole >> the unsung heroes uh in this whole >> the unsung heroes uh in this whole affair are the the uh the rigging team affair are the the uh the rigging team affair are the the uh the rigging team the camera team like this was just an the camera team like this was just an the camera team like this was just an extraordinary production and I think extraordinary production and I think extraordinary production and I think that it's it was a real feat to pull that it's it was a real feat to pull that it's it was a real feat to pull this off and to be able to really this off and to be able to really this off and to be able to really capture um from all these amazing angles capture um from all these amazing angles capture um from all these amazing angles like the the gravity of the situ like the the gravity of the situ like the the gravity of the situ situation like it was absolutely situation like it was absolutely situation like it was absolutely riveting and the reason uh for that is riveting and the reason uh for that is riveting and the reason uh for that is because because because the production company behind this uh the production company behind this uh the production company behind this uh was behind the wheel. They were the ones was behind the wheel. They were the ones was behind the wheel. They were the ones who were uh in charge of the production. who were uh in charge of the production. who were uh in charge of the production. Uh and we are very fortunate today to Uh and we are very fortunate today to Uh and we are very fortunate today to have both Grant and Allen from Plimpol have both Grant and Allen from Plimpol have both Grant and Allen from Plimpol here. Uh so I wanted everybody to first here. Uh so I wanted everybody to first here. Uh so I wanted everybody to first like give these guys a hand for you know like give these guys a hand for you know like give these guys a hand for you know just an incredible job. Uh, just an incredible job. Uh, just an incredible job. Uh, and I wondered if uh, either of you two and I wondered if uh, either of you two and I wondered if uh, either of you two guys would be willing to share some guys would be willing to share some guys would be willing to share some insights of what it was like from your insights of what it was like from your insights of what it was like from your perspective uh, of having to, you know, perspective uh, of having to, you know, perspective uh, of having to, you know, kind of shoulder the responsibility of kind of shoulder the responsibility of kind of shoulder the responsibility of of this production while also like of this production while also like of this production while also like having a relationship with Alex and, you having a relationship with Alex and, you having a relationship with Alex and, you know, the the stakes being so high. know, the the stakes being so high. know, the the stakes being so high. >> Uh, hello, I I'm I'm Grant. Um, a >> Uh, hello, I I'm I'm Grant. Um, a >> Uh, hello, I I'm I'm Grant. Um, a principal company I founded. Uh, so I principal company I founded. Uh, so I principal company I founded. Uh, so I was there um and um it was pretty was there um and um it was pretty was there um and um it was pretty stressful for us. I mean you you don't stressful for us. I mean you you don't stressful for us. I mean you you don't but obviously you're aware of the fact but obviously you're aware of the fact but obviously you're aware of the fact you can't wander around saying you're you can't wander around saying you're you can't wander around saying you're stressful if you're just producing the stressful if you're just producing the stressful if you're just producing the TV show. Um, but I was um I was talking TV show. Um, but I was um I was talking TV show. Um, but I was um I was talking to um I think I was talking to Sonni to um I think I was talking to Sonni to um I think I was talking to Sonni last night and I was saying it's quite last night and I was saying it's quite last night and I was saying it's quite an interesting experience for me as a an interesting experience for me as a an interesting experience for me as a producer because normally you sit in the producer because normally you sit in the producer because normally you sit in the gallery for a live show, you're you're gallery for a live show, you're you're gallery for a live show, you're you're pretty wound up because you're worried pretty wound up because you're worried pretty wound up because you're worried about getting the shots and making sure about getting the shots and making sure about getting the shots and making sure the show is everything you want it to the show is everything you want it to the show is everything you want it to be. But I think for most of us uh in the be. But I think for most of us uh in the be. But I think for most of us uh in the gallery um that day there was an extra gallery um that day there was an extra gallery um that day there was an extra level of stress and we were we weren't level of stress and we were we weren't level of stress and we were we weren't just worried about the shots. In fact, just worried about the shots. In fact, just worried about the shots. In fact, more than anything else, we were worried more than anything else, we were worried more than anything else, we were worried about Alex. And uh so it was it was a about Alex. And uh so it was it was a about Alex. And uh so it was it was a strange it was a strange experience. You strange it was a strange experience. You strange it was a strange experience. You were trying to do your job, but the were trying to do your job, but the were trying to do your job, but the thing you were really focused on was thing you were really focused on was thing you were really focused on was what was Alex? Okay. And and going back what was Alex? Okay. And and going back what was Alex? Okay. And and going back to what you said earlier, I I hated Alex to what you said earlier, I I hated Alex to what you said earlier, I I hated Alex when he spent as much time as he did on when he spent as much time as he did on when he spent as much time as he did on top of that building. I think everybody top of that building. I think everybody top of that building. I think everybody everybody just at that thought you've everybody just at that thought you've everybody just at that thought you've made it. Uh you want him to come down. made it. Uh you want him to come down. made it. Uh you want him to come down. The other thing, the other insight which The other thing, the other insight which The other thing, the other insight which I think is is really interesting is that I think is is really interesting is that I think is is really interesting is that the the director of the show said um to the the director of the show said um to the the director of the show said um to the the whole crew in the gallery, look, the the whole crew in the gallery, look, the the whole crew in the gallery, look, I know everybody will be very excited I know everybody will be very excited I know everybody will be very excited when he gets to the top, but we got work when he gets to the top, but we got work when he gets to the top, but we got work to do. No one is to say anything. So, to do. No one is to say anything. So, to do. No one is to say anything. So, Alex gets to the top of the building. Alex gets to the top of the building. Alex gets to the top of the building. Everybody ignores it, jumps up and down Everybody ignores it, jumps up and down Everybody ignores it, jumps up and down and starts whooping and hollering. There and starts whooping and hollering. There and starts whooping and hollering. There was a collective sigh of relief. I've was a collective sigh of relief. I've was a collective sigh of relief. I've got it on camera somewhere. Um, but for got it on camera somewhere. Um, but for got it on camera somewhere. Um, but for me the overwhelming sense was I mean me the overwhelming sense was I mean me the overwhelming sense was I mean listen I I obviously in awe of what Alex listen I I obviously in awe of what Alex listen I I obviously in awe of what Alex did very proud of of what our crew did did very proud of of what our crew did did very proud of of what our crew did but the to speak to what Sanne said but the to speak to what Sanne said but the to speak to what Sanne said there's just a lovely Swed down there I there's just a lovely Swed down there I there's just a lovely Swed down there I mean you know we've been working with mean you know we've been working with mean you know we've been working with Alex and his team for a few years and I Alex and his team for a few years and I Alex and his team for a few years and I sent Alex a note afterwards I mean sent Alex a note afterwards I mean sent Alex a note afterwards I mean obviously he's an extraordinary athlete obviously he's an extraordinary athlete obviously he's an extraordinary athlete but um it turns out that you know he's but um it turns out that you know he's but um it turns out that you know he's actually a really extraordinary human actually a really extraordinary human actually a really extraordinary human being nice humble I am lovely family. being nice humble I am lovely family. being nice humble I am lovely family. So, it's been a you know, it's been a So, it's been a you know, it's been a So, it's been a you know, it's been a pleasure actually. pleasure actually. pleasure actually. >> Yeah. I I would just add that I've >> Yeah. I I would just add that I've >> Yeah. I I would just add that I've worked with Plume on the last two TV worked with Plume on the last two TV worked with Plume on the last two TV things that I've done and great folks to things that I've done and great folks to things that I've done and great folks to work with. And then Plume hires out all work with. And then Plume hires out all work with. And then Plume hires out all the camera people and the riggers and the camera people and the riggers and the camera people and the riggers and and they're basically the same team of and they're basically the same team of and they're basically the same team of people, some of whom I worked with on people, some of whom I worked with on people, some of whom I worked with on the film free solo. Other ones I've the film free solo. Other ones I've the film free solo. Other ones I've worked with on the TV last couple TV worked with on the TV last couple TV worked with on the TV last couple TV things I've done, but many of whom I've things I've done, but many of whom I've things I've done, but many of whom I've known for 20 years and been on a bunch known for 20 years and been on a bunch known for 20 years and been on a bunch of expeditions with and camped with all of expeditions with and camped with all of expeditions with and camped with all over the world. And so when it comes over the world. And so when it comes over the world. And so when it comes down to all the people on the wall and down to all the people on the wall and down to all the people on the wall and the people that I'm actually interacting the people that I'm actually interacting the people that I'm actually interacting with as we shoot this program, I mean, a with as we shoot this program, I mean, a with as we shoot this program, I mean, a lot of them are some of my best friends lot of them are some of my best friends lot of them are some of my best friends basically. And I'm like, "Oh, it's so basically. And I'm like, "Oh, it's so basically. And I'm like, "Oh, it's so fun. We're all just out here hanging on fun. We're all just out here hanging on fun. We're all just out here hanging on ropes playing around like doing the ropes playing around like doing the ropes playing around like doing the thing that we do just like we have on thing that we do just like we have on thing that we do just like we have on all these other expeditions and all these other expeditions and all these other expeditions and different places." And so, and that's different places." And so, and that's different places." And so, and that's actually something because so many so actually something because so many so actually something because so many so many people have asked me questions many people have asked me questions many people have asked me questions about sort of the intensity of the live about sort of the intensity of the live about sort of the intensity of the live experience. And you're like, "Well, I'm experience. And you're like, "Well, I'm experience. And you're like, "Well, I'm basically just up there playing with my basically just up there playing with my basically just up there playing with my friends just like if it wasn't a live friends just like if it wasn't a live friends just like if it wasn't a live experience and we were just on an experience and we were just on an experience and we were just on an expedition somewhere shooting, you know, expedition somewhere shooting, you know, expedition somewhere shooting, you know, still photos of some epic big wall." still photos of some epic big wall." still photos of some epic big wall." It's like it's kind of the same, you It's like it's kind of the same, you It's like it's kind of the same, you know, lived experience for me. You're know, lived experience for me. You're know, lived experience for me. You're just out there climbing with your just out there climbing with your just out there climbing with your friends friends friends >> with a little bit more stress. >> with a little bit more stress. >> with a little bit more stress. >> Any other questions? There we go. >> Any other questions? There we go. >> Any other questions? There we go. >> Hi, Alexander. A question for Alex. Um, >> Hi, Alexander. A question for Alex. Um, >> Hi, Alexander. A question for Alex. Um, we had earlier a little bit about the we had earlier a little bit about the we had earlier a little bit about the impact on children. Uh, I was very keen impact on children. Uh, I was very keen impact on children. Uh, I was very keen to hear about your own perspective as a to hear about your own perspective as a to hear about your own perspective as a father and how being a father and the father and how being a father and the father and how being a father and the paternal role has changed your own paternal role has changed your own paternal role has changed your own perspective on risk tolerance, if at perspective on risk tolerance, if at perspective on risk tolerance, if at all. all. all. >> Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, I get asked >> Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, I get asked >> Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, I get asked questions like that quite a lot. Um, and questions like that quite a lot. Um, and questions like that quite a lot. Um, and I mean, I think that that the I don't I mean, I think that that the I don't I mean, I think that that the I don't know. I mean, it's complicated, but I know. I mean, it's complicated, but I know. I mean, it's complicated, but I think overall, uh, I'm at home a lot think overall, uh, I'm at home a lot think overall, uh, I'm at home a lot more than I was. So, I think my overall more than I was. So, I think my overall more than I was. So, I think my overall risk profile is is lower than it used to risk profile is is lower than it used to risk profile is is lower than it used to be just because I'm spending so much be just because I'm spending so much be just because I'm spending so much more time training in my garage and just more time training in my garage and just more time training in my garage and just being at home and not like adventuring being at home and not like adventuring being at home and not like adventuring in the mountains and going on in the mountains and going on in the mountains and going on expeditions to climb big mountains and expeditions to climb big mountains and expeditions to climb big mountains and things. That said, I kind of think the things. That said, I kind of think the things. That said, I kind of think the capacity to take, you know, controlled capacity to take, you know, controlled capacity to take, you know, controlled risk is is seemingly not that changed so risk is is seemingly not that changed so risk is is seemingly not that changed so far. Um though I wouldn't be surprised far. Um though I wouldn't be surprised far. Um though I wouldn't be surprised if my appetite for taking risk just if my appetite for taking risk just if my appetite for taking risk just slowly dies over time maybe. I don't slowly dies over time maybe. I don't slowly dies over time maybe. I don't know. Um you know we'll kind of see but know. Um you know we'll kind of see but know. Um you know we'll kind of see but so far it seems like you know I've done so far it seems like you know I've done so far it seems like you know I've done a handful of big soling projects other a handful of big soling projects other a handful of big soling projects other than the skyscraper and things. I've than the skyscraper and things. I've than the skyscraper and things. I've done a handful of other solos in the done a handful of other solos in the done a handful of other solos in the last four or five years since we've had last four or five years since we've had last four or five years since we've had kids. Uh where I was like oh I can still kids. Uh where I was like oh I can still kids. Uh where I was like oh I can still do this and I still enjoy doing this but do this and I still enjoy doing this but do this and I still enjoy doing this but it's like whether or not I'll want to it's like whether or not I'll want to it's like whether or not I'll want to for forever it's like we'll see. when we for forever it's like we'll see. when we for forever it's like we'll see. when we were chatting in New York, uh we were were chatting in New York, uh we were were chatting in New York, uh we were talking about like this this this time talking about like this this this time talking about like this this this time period, this frame of time like you you period, this frame of time like you you period, this frame of time like you you basically have like five years like basically have like five years like basically have like five years like where you're going to be in this peak where you're going to be in this peak where you're going to be in this peak condition like at at your age. And so do condition like at at your age. And so do condition like at at your age. And so do you think about that window of time and you think about that window of time and you think about that window of time and you know for for accomplishing like your you know for for accomplishing like your you know for for accomplishing like your your your bigger goals or like for the your your bigger goals or like for the your your bigger goals or like for the for the most difficult things that you for the most difficult things that you for the most difficult things that you know you want to be able to do like this know you want to be able to do like this know you want to be able to do like this is is is >> you have a you have a couple years now >> you have a you have a couple years now >> you have a you have a couple years now where you can be in this peak physical where you can be in this peak physical where you can be in this peak physical condition to accomplish those. Does that condition to accomplish those. Does that condition to accomplish those. Does that enter into how you make decisions about enter into how you make decisions about enter into how you make decisions about what you want to do next? a little bit, what you want to do next? a little bit, what you want to do next? a little bit, but actually less so than you might but actually less so than you might but actually less so than you might think, just because most of my free think, just because most of my free think, just because most of my free soling projects are so far from my soling projects are so far from my soling projects are so far from my physical limit, just because the nature physical limit, just because the nature physical limit, just because the nature of free soling is that you have to stay of free soling is that you have to stay of free soling is that you have to stay well enough within your comfort zone well enough within your comfort zone well enough within your comfort zone that you don't fall to your death. And that you don't fall to your death. And that you don't fall to your death. And so, uh, you know, when you talk about so, uh, you know, when you talk about so, uh, you know, when you talk about sort of like the the decline from age, sort of like the the decline from age, sort of like the the decline from age, which, you know, obviously will be which, you know, obviously will be which, you know, obviously will be happening soon. I turned 40 this year happening soon. I turned 40 this year happening soon. I turned 40 this year and so I'm sort of like well past, you and so I'm sort of like well past, you and so I'm sort of like well past, you know, if you think you peak at like 23 know, if you think you peak at like 23 know, if you think you peak at like 23 physically, I'm sort of like well down physically, I'm sort of like well down physically, I'm sort of like well down the other side. But thankfully, the other side. But thankfully, the other side. But thankfully, climbing, I think, has a pretty long and climbing, I think, has a pretty long and climbing, I think, has a pretty long and slow decline just because it's so slow decline just because it's so slow decline just because it's so skill-based, so much technique, and it's skill-based, so much technique, and it's skill-based, so much technique, and it's less of an impact on your body than most less of an impact on your body than most less of an impact on your body than most other sports that people think of. And other sports that people think of. And other sports that people think of. And so, I think you can remain an elite so, I think you can remain an elite so, I think you can remain an elite climber for much longer than most climber for much longer than most climber for much longer than most sports. But then that said, I mean, I sports. But then that said, I mean, I sports. But then that said, I mean, I think for free souling, like I'm saying, think for free souling, like I'm saying, think for free souling, like I'm saying, because it's so within my comfort zone, because it's so within my comfort zone, because it's so within my comfort zone, it doesn't totally matter if my top end it doesn't totally matter if my top end it doesn't totally matter if my top end power is a little bit diminished just power is a little bit diminished just power is a little bit diminished just because either way, soling is uh, you because either way, soling is uh, you because either way, soling is uh, you know, more of a psychological thing. know, more of a psychological thing. know, more of a psychological thing. That said, though, I do think that I'll That said, though, I do think that I'll That said, though, I do think that I'll just lose the the appetite a little bit. just lose the the appetite a little bit. just lose the the appetite a little bit. It's like especially as I get older and It's like especially as I get older and It's like especially as I get older and and part of that is just I've already and part of that is just I've already and part of that is just I've already gotten to do so many things that I'm gotten to do so many things that I'm gotten to do so many things that I'm proud of and so many things that I proud of and so many things that I proud of and so many things that I wanted to do and uh you know it's like wanted to do and uh you know it's like wanted to do and uh you know it's like I've already lived my dream a little I've already lived my dream a little I've already lived my dream a little bit. I'm kind of like I don't know if I bit. I'm kind of like I don't know if I bit. I'm kind of like I don't know if I need to solo that many more. I mean need to solo that many more. I mean need to solo that many more. I mean maybe I need to move around more like maybe I need to move around more like maybe I need to move around more like cuz I just lived in my van in the cuz I just lived in my van in the cuz I just lived in my van in the western US for so long and I did so many western US for so long and I did so many western US for so long and I did so many of the roots that I thought were were of the roots that I thought were were of the roots that I thought were were important to me. So I'm like maybe if I important to me. So I'm like maybe if I important to me. So I'm like maybe if I lived in Europe for a while and kind of lived in Europe for a while and kind of lived in Europe for a while and kind of had like a different host of roots to be had like a different host of roots to be had like a different host of roots to be inspired by. But I'm like that's the inspired by. But I'm like that's the inspired by. But I'm like that's the thing with the the root the experience thing with the the root the experience thing with the the root the experience that I had soling in December around that I had soling in December around that I had soling in December around home. I was like, am I scraping the home. I was like, am I scraping the home. I was like, am I scraping the bottom of the barrel? Like, am I just bottom of the barrel? Like, am I just bottom of the barrel? Like, am I just doing stuff that's kind of dumb now doing stuff that's kind of dumb now doing stuff that's kind of dumb now because I don't I've already done the because I don't I've already done the because I don't I've already done the things that I really care about. Like, I things that I really care about. Like, I things that I really care about. Like, I just need greener pastures if I'm going just need greener pastures if I'm going just need greener pastures if I'm going to solo a lot more to solo a lot more to solo a lot more >> or bigger buildings. >> or bigger buildings. >> or bigger buildings. >> Well, for a guy who who whose original >> Well, for a guy who who whose original >> Well, for a guy who who whose original goal was like, how do I like figure out goal was like, how do I like figure out goal was like, how do I like figure out a way to do make a living? Like, I think a way to do make a living? Like, I think a way to do make a living? Like, I think it's working out. All right. it's working out. All right. it's working out. All right. >> Exactly. Yeah. I set out with a very >> Exactly. Yeah. I set out with a very >> Exactly. Yeah. I set out with a very limited goal. So, I'm like wildly limited goal. So, I'm like wildly limited goal. So, I'm like wildly exceeding. It's It's all good. exceeding. It's It's all good. exceeding. It's It's all good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh, all right. Next question. Hey, I >> Uh, all right. Next question. Hey, I >> Uh, all right. Next question. Hey, I would love to ask a question about would love to ask a question about would love to ask a question about mental health, which is a big topic in mental health, which is a big topic in mental health, which is a big topic in society and and in uh athletics in society and and in uh athletics in society and and in uh athletics in particular. I'm Eve, by the way. I work particular. I'm Eve, by the way. I work particular. I'm Eve, by the way. I work with the Masters of Scale podcast. And I with the Masters of Scale podcast. And I with the Masters of Scale podcast. And I know that, you know, when you talk about know that, you know, when you talk about know that, you know, when you talk about your own experience, I feel like your own experience, I feel like your own experience, I feel like sometimes you're expressing this sense, sometimes you're expressing this sense, sometimes you're expressing this sense, you're this remarkable person who's done you're this remarkable person who's done you're this remarkable person who's done these things, but you're normal to you, these things, but you're normal to you, these things, but you're normal to you, right? So, sort of wondering how your right? So, sort of wondering how your right? So, sort of wondering how your relationship with understanding how relationship with understanding how relationship with understanding how other people's perceptions of you should other people's perceptions of you should other people's perceptions of you should or shouldn't impact the way you sort of or shouldn't impact the way you sort of or shouldn't impact the way you sort of feel and just how you generally take feel and just how you generally take feel and just how you generally take care of your mental health, but also care of your mental health, but also care of your mental health, but also just how you go about being in a world just how you go about being in a world just how you go about being in a world as a person who, you know, other people as a person who, you know, other people as a person who, you know, other people are signaling to you that you're not are signaling to you that you're not are signaling to you that you're not normal, but how do you go about normal, but how do you go about normal, but how do you go about navigating that? And just how's that all navigating that? And just how's that all navigating that? And just how's that all going? going? going? >> It's I mean, well, I just I think >> It's I mean, well, I just I think >> It's I mean, well, I just I think they're not normal. You know, it's like they're not normal. You know, it's like they're not normal. You know, it's like I'm the normal and everybody else has I'm the normal and everybody else has I'm the normal and everybody else has got some weird stuff going on. I don't got some weird stuff going on. I don't got some weird stuff going on. I don't know why they're all stressed. Um, no. know why they're all stressed. Um, no. know why they're all stressed. Um, no. Honestly, I don't know. It's I mean, Honestly, I don't know. It's I mean, Honestly, I don't know. It's I mean, yeah, I'm just living. I'm just doing my yeah, I'm just living. I'm just doing my yeah, I'm just living. I'm just doing my thing. I'm doing the best I can. thing. I'm doing the best I can. thing. I'm doing the best I can. Everybody else got to take a chill pill. Everybody else got to take a chill pill. Everybody else got to take a chill pill. You know You know You know >> what what does stress you out? Anything? >> what what does stress you out? Anything? >> what what does stress you out? Anything? >> Oh, no. I mean, I get stressed out like >> Oh, no. I mean, I get stressed out like >> Oh, no. I mean, I get stressed out like when both kids are screaming. I'm like, when both kids are screaming. I'm like, when both kids are screaming. I'm like, ah, you know, it's just a lot. Or like ah, you know, it's just a lot. Or like ah, you know, it's just a lot. Or like travel, work stuff, like being away from travel, work stuff, like being away from travel, work stuff, like being away from home, like not being able to climb. home, like not being able to climb. home, like not being able to climb. Feeling like I suck at climbing kind of Feeling like I suck at climbing kind of Feeling like I suck at climbing kind of stresses me out. I mean, that's like um stresses me out. I mean, that's like um stresses me out. I mean, that's like um like I felt great in Taipei randomly. like I felt great in Taipei randomly. like I felt great in Taipei randomly. Um, you know, I've been training quite a Um, you know, I've been training quite a Um, you know, I've been training quite a lot. I've been feeling really strong. I lot. I've been feeling really strong. I lot. I've been feeling really strong. I had a couple really good gym sessions, had a couple really good gym sessions, had a couple really good gym sessions, climbing gym in Taipei and was like, oh, climbing gym in Taipei and was like, oh, climbing gym in Taipei and was like, oh, I feel really good and then climbed the I feel really good and then climbed the I feel really good and then climbed the building was like, I feel great. You building was like, I feel great. You building was like, I feel great. You know, I'm peeking and I kind of thought know, I'm peeking and I kind of thought know, I'm peeking and I kind of thought I was going to go home and and send my I was going to go home and and send my I was going to go home and and send my project at this cave that I was working project at this cave that I was working project at this cave that I was working on. So, I was like, I feel great. And on. So, I was like, I feel great. And on. So, I was like, I feel great. And then I went home and I completely then I went home and I completely then I went home and I completely sucked, which I tried not to get too sucked, which I tried not to get too sucked, which I tried not to get too worked up about cuz I was kind of like, worked up about cuz I was kind of like, worked up about cuz I was kind of like, h, you know, if you think of it as like h, you know, if you think of it as like h, you know, if you think of it as like post expedition or something or sort of post expedition or something or sort of post expedition or something or sort of like a de lo after like months of like a de lo after like months of like a de lo after like months of training or who knows, but anyway, I was training or who knows, but anyway, I was training or who knows, but anyway, I was kind of like, oh, I completely sucked kind of like, oh, I completely sucked kind of like, oh, I completely sucked the first day I came home. I was like, the first day I came home. I was like, the first day I came home. I was like, okay, I can I can deal. And then I went okay, I can I can deal. And then I went okay, I can I can deal. And then I went back to the same thing and completely back to the same thing and completely back to the same thing and completely sucked even worse and was like, "Okay, sucked even worse and was like, "Okay, sucked even worse and was like, "Okay, like that's a, you know, that's the type like that's a, you know, that's the type like that's a, you know, that's the type of stuff that stresses me out when of stuff that stresses me out when of stuff that stresses me out when you're like, what if it's not working? you're like, what if it's not working? you're like, what if it's not working? Why why do I suck? Like I'm trying so Why why do I suck? Like I'm trying so Why why do I suck? Like I'm trying so hard and I just can't do it." Um, and hard and I just can't do it." Um, and hard and I just can't do it." Um, and then I had a third day where I also then I had a third day where I also then I had a third day where I also totally sucked. And then I was starting totally sucked. And then I was starting totally sucked. And then I was starting to get a little stressed and then to get a little stressed and then to get a little stressed and then randomly I came here to do Jimmy Kimmel randomly I came here to do Jimmy Kimmel randomly I came here to do Jimmy Kimmel last night and freaking just crushed in last night and freaking just crushed in last night and freaking just crushed in the gym yesterday and I was like, "Okay, the gym yesterday and I was like, "Okay, the gym yesterday and I was like, "Okay, all is not lost, so we'll see." I don't all is not lost, so we'll see." I don't all is not lost, so we'll see." I don't know. But that's like that's I don't know. But that's like that's I don't know. But that's like that's I don't know. I mean, I guess and actually that know. I mean, I guess and actually that know. I mean, I guess and actually that makes it sound like too focused on makes it sound like too focused on makes it sound like too focused on performance basically. I think that the performance basically. I think that the performance basically. I think that the the stressor there is when you're the stressor there is when you're the stressor there is when you're worried that you're like on the wrong worried that you're like on the wrong worried that you're like on the wrong path when you're sort of like I've path when you're sort of like I've path when you're sort of like I've devoted all this effort to training in devoted all this effort to training in devoted all this effort to training in certain ways. Like what if it's not certain ways. Like what if it's not certain ways. Like what if it's not working? Like am I wasting my time? Am I working? Like am I wasting my time? Am I working? Like am I wasting my time? Am I already like way past my you know am I already like way past my you know am I already like way past my you know am I already deep into physical decline? Like already deep into physical decline? Like already deep into physical decline? Like do I just not have it? You know, it's do I just not have it? You know, it's do I just not have it? You know, it's like those types of things stress you like those types of things stress you like those types of things stress you out cuz that's basically a question of out cuz that's basically a question of out cuz that's basically a question of like am I wasting my life at a pursuit like am I wasting my life at a pursuit like am I wasting my life at a pursuit that I just can't do? But then you're that I just can't do? But then you're that I just can't do? But then you're like no no sometimes I get glimmers of like no no sometimes I get glimmers of like no no sometimes I get glimmers of hope like on the top of some crazy hope like on the top of some crazy hope like on the top of some crazy building. building. building. >> I'll say it again. I think it's working >> I'll say it again. I think it's working >> I'll say it again. I think it's working out. Well, you know. out. Well, you know. out. Well, you know. >> Uh, all right. Here we go. Oh, Alexi. >> Uh, all right. Here we go. Oh, Alexi. >> Uh, all right. Here we go. Oh, Alexi. >> Hi, I'm Alexi. Um, I was wondering, do >> Hi, I'm Alexi. Um, I was wondering, do >> Hi, I'm Alexi. Um, I was wondering, do you feel the difference in your own you feel the difference in your own you feel the difference in your own experience, not like safety wise, but experience, not like safety wise, but experience, not like safety wise, but like the actual athletic experience like the actual athletic experience like the actual athletic experience between being in nature doing a free between being in nature doing a free between being in nature doing a free solo and doing something with like a solo and doing something with like a solo and doing something with like a man-made building? And my relationship man-made building? And my relationship man-made building? And my relationship to it is like trail running versus like to it is like trail running versus like to it is like trail running versus like track and road running feels very track and road running feels very track and road running feels very different to me. different to me. different to me. >> That's an interesting question. I think >> That's an interesting question. I think >> That's an interesting question. I think that the difference between climbing a that the difference between climbing a that the difference between climbing a building and climbing rock is different building and climbing rock is different building and climbing rock is different is less than the difference between is less than the difference between is less than the difference between trail running and road running because trail running and road running because trail running and road running because you know obviously I've run a bit not you know obviously I've run a bit not you know obviously I've run a bit not not like you but but um but it's just so not like you but but um but it's just so not like you but but um but it's just so different you know like it feels but different you know like it feels but different you know like it feels but climbing like I love I've grown up climbing like I love I've grown up climbing like I love I've grown up climbing in a climbing gym and climbing climbing in a climbing gym and climbing climbing in a climbing gym and climbing in a climbing gym is obviously really in a climbing gym is obviously really in a climbing gym is obviously really different than than real rock outside different than than real rock outside different than than real rock outside but then actually even a real rock but then actually even a real rock but then actually even a real rock outside is incredibly varied depending outside is incredibly varied depending outside is incredibly varied depending on the type of rock like climbing on the type of rock like climbing on the type of rock like climbing limestone totally different than limestone totally different than limestone totally different than climbing sandstone totally different climbing sandstone totally different climbing sandstone totally different than climbing you know slate cory's in than climbing you know slate cory's in than climbing you know slate cory's in the UK like random types of rock feel the UK like random types of rock feel the UK like random types of rock feel completely different. And so climbing a completely different. And so climbing a completely different. And so climbing a building, it's it's not that different building, it's it's not that different building, it's it's not that different in a way. You're like, "Yeah, it's in a way. You're like, "Yeah, it's in a way. You're like, "Yeah, it's really slick, but it's not that really slick, but it's not that really slick, but it's not that different than some problems in a different than some problems in a different than some problems in a climbing gym." So, I don't know. It's climbing gym." So, I don't know. It's climbing gym." So, I don't know. It's all sort of like part of the general all sort of like part of the general all sort of like part of the general experience of climbing. experience of climbing. experience of climbing. >> But do you like it the same? >> But do you like it the same? >> But do you like it the same? >> Oh, no. I mean, if I had to choose one >> Oh, no. I mean, if I had to choose one >> Oh, no. I mean, if I had to choose one for the rest of my life, I'd rather for the rest of my life, I'd rather for the rest of my life, I'd rather climb real rocks. But as far as uh climb real rocks. But as far as uh climb real rocks. But as far as uh novelty and like an incredible novelty and like an incredible novelty and like an incredible experience and seeing a beautiful view experience and seeing a beautiful view experience and seeing a beautiful view and all that kind of stuff, it's like and all that kind of stuff, it's like and all that kind of stuff, it's like pretty freaking cool. And yeah, I got a pretty freaking cool. And yeah, I got a pretty freaking cool. And yeah, I got a lot of questions about that before the lot of questions about that before the lot of questions about that before the climb. Like why would you climb a climb. Like why would you climb a climb. Like why would you climb a building? I'm kind of like I've building? I'm kind of like I've building? I'm kind of like I've literally spent the last 20 years literally spent the last 20 years literally spent the last 20 years traveling the world to climb different traveling the world to climb different traveling the world to climb different types of rocks all over. And sometimes types of rocks all over. And sometimes types of rocks all over. And sometimes you're seeking them out like I just said you're seeking them out like I just said you're seeking them out like I just said the slate quaries in the UK. The slate the slate quaries in the UK. The slate the slate quaries in the UK. The slate quaries are known for being incredibly quaries are known for being incredibly quaries are known for being incredibly smooth with like these it's almost like smooth with like these it's almost like smooth with like these it's almost like climbing glass. It's like these climbing glass. It's like these climbing glass. It's like these incredibly small edges on completely incredibly small edges on completely incredibly small edges on completely smooth walls. And I'm like it's not that smooth walls. And I'm like it's not that smooth walls. And I'm like it's not that dissimilar to climbing a building. And dissimilar to climbing a building. And dissimilar to climbing a building. And you know I've been like seeking out you know I've been like seeking out you know I've been like seeking out things like that around the world for things like that around the world for things like that around the world for years to get these different climbing years to get these different climbing years to get these different climbing experiences. And I'm kind of like if you experiences. And I'm kind of like if you experiences. And I'm kind of like if you get the opportunity to climb this get the opportunity to climb this get the opportunity to climb this incredible thing, just because it's a incredible thing, just because it's a incredible thing, just because it's a building doesn't, you know, it's like building doesn't, you know, it's like building doesn't, you know, it's like you still say yes. you still say yes. you still say yes. >> In addition to just the height of Taipei >> In addition to just the height of Taipei >> In addition to just the height of Taipei 101 and uh and kind of it just being 101 and uh and kind of it just being 101 and uh and kind of it just being this legendary building, like what is it this legendary building, like what is it this legendary building, like what is it about that building that made it about that building that made it about that building that made it attractive for you to climb versus some attractive for you to climb versus some attractive for you to climb versus some other super tall skyscraper? other super tall skyscraper? other super tall skyscraper? >> I mean, so there are a few things. One, >> I mean, so there are a few things. One, >> I mean, so there are a few things. One, it's singular in the landscape. Like in it's singular in the landscape. Like in it's singular in the landscape. Like in the city, it sticks out like all the the city, it sticks out like all the the city, it sticks out like all the other buildings are so small. And the other buildings are so small. And the other buildings are so small. And the first time that I saw the building in first time that I saw the building in first time that I saw the building in 2013 or something, it was even more 2013 or something, it was even more 2013 or something, it was even more striking. Now they've built a couple striking. Now they've built a couple striking. Now they've built a couple other tall buildings nearby that rise to other tall buildings nearby that rise to other tall buildings nearby that rise to like one/ird height or like maybe half like one/ird height or like maybe half like one/ird height or like maybe half height. So it's still way bigger than height. So it's still way bigger than height. So it's still way bigger than everything else. But at the time when I everything else. But at the time when I everything else. But at the time when I first saw it, the whole city was tiny first saw it, the whole city was tiny first saw it, the whole city was tiny and then there was this gigantic and then there was this gigantic and then there was this gigantic building. And the first time I saw it, I building. And the first time I saw it, I building. And the first time I saw it, I think it was the fifth or sixth tallest think it was the fifth or sixth tallest think it was the fifth or sixth tallest building in the world. And when it building in the world. And when it building in the world. And when it opened, it was the tallest building in opened, it was the tallest building in opened, it was the tallest building in the world in 2004. Now it's like the the world in 2004. Now it's like the the world in 2004. Now it's like the 11th or 12th or something. But 11th or 12th or something. But 11th or 12th or something. But basically, it's just this giant building basically, it's just this giant building basically, it's just this giant building that totally dwarfs the whole landscape. that totally dwarfs the whole landscape. that totally dwarfs the whole landscape. So, like that's cool in the same way So, like that's cool in the same way So, like that's cool in the same way that climbing uh you know when you rock that climbing uh you know when you rock that climbing uh you know when you rock climb it's nice to climb a mountain climb it's nice to climb a mountain climb it's nice to climb a mountain that's twice as big as everything around that's twice as big as everything around that's twice as big as everything around it. You're like that's a freaking it. You're like that's a freaking it. You're like that's a freaking mountain, you know? So, you see type mountain, you know? So, you see type mountain, you know? So, you see type one, you're like that's a building. But one, you're like that's a building. But one, you're like that's a building. But then also, it's possible which is a big then also, it's possible which is a big then also, it's possible which is a big plus cuz some buildings are just not plus cuz some buildings are just not plus cuz some buildings are just not possible. They're just sheer smooth possible. They're just sheer smooth possible. They're just sheer smooth glass or whatever. And then not only is glass or whatever. And then not only is glass or whatever. And then not only is it possible, but it's just cool. Like it possible, but it's just cool. Like it possible, but it's just cool. Like the features that you climb are secure the features that you climb are secure the features that you climb are secure and easy enough, but hard enough to be and easy enough, but hard enough to be and easy enough, but hard enough to be interesting. And so it just, you know, interesting. And so it just, you know, interesting. And so it just, you know, all the interesting sort of ornamental all the interesting sort of ornamental all the interesting sort of ornamental features, climbing over the dragons, features, climbing over the dragons, features, climbing over the dragons, climbing over the ruies, like the crazy climbing over the ruies, like the crazy climbing over the ruies, like the crazy roofs up the top, you know, some roofs up the top, you know, some roofs up the top, you know, some buildings are really boring. This buildings are really boring. This buildings are really boring. This building is about as interesting as building is about as interesting as building is about as interesting as buildings get. So I was like, "Oh, it's buildings get. So I was like, "Oh, it's buildings get. So I was like, "Oh, it's pretty cool." pretty cool." pretty cool." >> Um, all right. Anybody else out here? >> Um, all right. Anybody else out here? >> Um, all right. Anybody else out here? >> Hey, uh, Jonathan McKenzie at Turtlebox. >> Hey, uh, Jonathan McKenzie at Turtlebox. >> Hey, uh, Jonathan McKenzie at Turtlebox. Um, Um, Um, first I want to take you up on you said first I want to take you up on you said first I want to take you up on you said you would teach anybody how to climb a you would teach anybody how to climb a you would teach anybody how to climb a building, so just let me know next building, so just let me know next building, so just let me know next steps. That sounds fun. steps. That sounds fun. steps. That sounds fun. >> Is this building climbable? It's not >> Is this building climbable? It's not >> Is this building climbable? It's not really. really. really. >> We'll have to look outside. I'm not >> We'll have to look outside. I'm not >> We'll have to look outside. I'm not sure. I didn't see anything obvious. sure. I didn't see anything obvious. sure. I didn't see anything obvious. >> Um, no, it's interesting that you you >> Um, no, it's interesting that you you >> Um, no, it's interesting that you you said you just turned 40. So, I I just said you just turned 40. So, I I just said you just turned 40. So, I I just turned 40 two weeks ago. And I find it turned 40 two weeks ago. And I find it turned 40 two weeks ago. And I find it interesting that, you know, Rich, you interesting that, you know, Rich, you interesting that, you know, Rich, you have an amazing story that started at 40 have an amazing story that started at 40 have an amazing story that started at 40 in a lot of ways. Um, and longevity kind in a lot of ways. Um, and longevity kind in a lot of ways. Um, and longevity kind of being a buzz word of the day. Um, I of being a buzz word of the day. Um, I of being a buzz word of the day. Um, I know that me and a lot of people are know that me and a lot of people are know that me and a lot of people are thinking about just how to live a thinking about just how to live a thinking about just how to live a fantastic life, you know, beyond the fantastic life, you know, beyond the fantastic life, you know, beyond the next 40 years, um, you know, possibly next 40 years, um, you know, possibly next 40 years, um, you know, possibly into our 90s and even hundreds. Is that into our 90s and even hundreds. Is that into our 90s and even hundreds. Is that something that you think about? Do you something that you think about? Do you something that you think about? Do you think about, you know, what you're going think about, you know, what you're going think about, you know, what you're going to do to not slow down, what you're to do to not slow down, what you're to do to not slow down, what you're going to do to keep living an going to do to keep living an going to do to keep living an adventurous and fulfilling life? adventurous and fulfilling life? adventurous and fulfilling life? >> Yeah, for sure. I'd say I have a greater >> Yeah, for sure. I'd say I have a greater >> Yeah, for sure. I'd say I have a greater interest in health than average. you interest in health than average. you interest in health than average. you know, I've read a lot of the books and know, I've read a lot of the books and know, I've read a lot of the books and things like that and and you know, I've things like that and and you know, I've things like that and and you know, I've tried to take care of myself. Um, yeah, tried to take care of myself. Um, yeah, tried to take care of myself. Um, yeah, I'd say I'm very interested in living as I'd say I'm very interested in living as I'd say I'm very interested in living as long as possible. I mean, we have kids. long as possible. I mean, we have kids. long as possible. I mean, we have kids. I want to have grandkids hopefully I want to have grandkids hopefully I want to have grandkids hopefully someday and, you know, have the whole someday and, you know, have the whole someday and, you know, have the whole family scene. It's like that'll be family scene. It's like that'll be family scene. It's like that'll be amazing. But, um, yeah, I I do all the amazing. But, um, yeah, I I do all the amazing. But, um, yeah, I I do all the things. Um, that said, you know, I know things. Um, that said, you know, I know things. Um, that said, you know, I know that when I do eventually die, I'm still that when I do eventually die, I'm still that when I do eventually die, I'm still going to be like, man, I wish it was a going to be like, man, I wish it was a going to be like, man, I wish it was a lot longer. And so, I'm kind of like, lot longer. And so, I'm kind of like, lot longer. And so, I'm kind of like, well, you just got to do the things you well, you just got to do the things you well, you just got to do the things you can along the way because either way, can along the way because either way, can along the way because either way, it's going to feel pretty short in the it's going to feel pretty short in the it's going to feel pretty short in the end. end. end. I kind of want to do the Phil Donahghue I kind of want to do the Phil Donahghue I kind of want to do the Phil Donahghue thing and like walk around in there and thing and like walk around in there and thing and like walk around in there and like you should. You should. like you should. You should. like you should. You should. >> Hey, Alex. Uh Tony from Riven here. Uh I >> Hey, Alex. Uh Tony from Riven here. Uh I >> Hey, Alex. Uh Tony from Riven here. Uh I I've always loved hearing you talk about I've always loved hearing you talk about I've always loved hearing you talk about playfulness and joy. Um I got to watch playfulness and joy. Um I got to watch playfulness and joy. Um I got to watch this with my seven-year-old niece, and this with my seven-year-old niece, and this with my seven-year-old niece, and she could clearly see how much fun you she could clearly see how much fun you she could clearly see how much fun you were having. I'm curious, what role does were having. I'm curious, what role does were having. I'm curious, what role does playfulness and joy play in your playfulness and joy play in your playfulness and joy play in your selection of your projects? Like, how do selection of your projects? Like, how do selection of your projects? Like, how do you how do you factor that in in advance you how do you factor that in in advance you how do you factor that in in advance of the project? That's interesting of the project? That's interesting of the project? That's interesting actually because I don't know if play actually because I don't know if play actually because I don't know if play factors that much into the selection of factors that much into the selection of factors that much into the selection of projects necessarily, but I do think projects necessarily, but I do think projects necessarily, but I do think it's sort of at the core of all of my it's sort of at the core of all of my it's sort of at the core of all of my climbing and training and just the whole climbing and training and just the whole climbing and training and just the whole process around it. I mean, I think that process around it. I mean, I think that process around it. I mean, I think that projects like the like the skyscraper projects like the like the skyscraper projects like the like the skyscraper climb have so much to do with whether or climb have so much to do with whether or climb have so much to do with whether or not you get permission to do it, whether not you get permission to do it, whether not you get permission to do it, whether or not the production company comes or not the production company comes or not the production company comes together, whether or not, you know, a together, whether or not, you know, a together, whether or not, you know, a company like Netflix is on board to company like Netflix is on board to company like Netflix is on board to actually air something like that. You actually air something like that. You actually air something like that. You know, it really is just there's so many know, it really is just there's so many know, it really is just there's so many factors that are totally outside your factors that are totally outside your factors that are totally outside your control. So, you kind of just have to control. So, you kind of just have to control. So, you kind of just have to like wait and see if the things all come like wait and see if the things all come like wait and see if the things all come together. But I would say that play is together. But I would say that play is together. But I would say that play is at the center of every day of climbing, at the center of every day of climbing, at the center of every day of climbing, you know. So basically all the practice, you know. So basically all the practice, you know. So basically all the practice, you know, I went to the gym this you know, I went to the gym this you know, I went to the gym this morning, had a great session, had fun, morning, had a great session, had fun, morning, had a great session, had fun, did all the problems, was like, "Oh, did all the problems, was like, "Oh, did all the problems, was like, "Oh, this is so cool." And, you know, went to this is so cool." And, you know, went to this is so cool." And, you know, went to the gym yesterday, went, "I'll probably the gym yesterday, went, "I'll probably the gym yesterday, went, "I'll probably go to the climbing gym tomorrow." You go to the climbing gym tomorrow." You go to the climbing gym tomorrow." You know, it's like, and each day I'm like, know, it's like, and each day I'm like, know, it's like, and each day I'm like, "That's kind of the highlight of the "That's kind of the highlight of the "That's kind of the highlight of the day." It's like, you're having fun, day." It's like, you're having fun, day." It's like, you're having fun, you're playing. And so I think that all you're playing. And so I think that all you're playing. And so I think that all those days are what allow you to have those days are what allow you to have those days are what allow you to have these big, you know, it's like I think these big, you know, it's like I think these big, you know, it's like I think people see skyscraper live on TV and people see skyscraper live on TV and people see skyscraper live on TV and they're like, "That's like this pinnacle they're like, "That's like this pinnacle they're like, "That's like this pinnacle experience." you're kind of like, well, experience." you're kind of like, well, experience." you're kind of like, well, really, it's the months leading up to it really, it's the months leading up to it really, it's the months leading up to it that are the really fun part. And then that are the really fun part. And then that are the really fun part. And then you, of course, the climb is cool and you, of course, the climb is cool and you, of course, the climb is cool and and the experience is is very and the experience is is very and the experience is is very meaningful. Like the view from the the meaningful. Like the view from the the meaningful. Like the view from the the building is incredible, you know? It's building is incredible, you know? It's building is incredible, you know? It's it's cool, but really it's like the it's cool, but really it's like the it's cool, but really it's like the months and months of of fun getting to months and months of of fun getting to months and months of of fun getting to it. it. it. >> Yeah, we pass straight behind you. >> Yeah, we pass straight behind you. >> Yeah, we pass straight behind you. Straight behind. Yeah. Straight behind. Yeah. Straight behind. Yeah. >> Thank you. Hey, Alex. I'm Tyler from >> Thank you. Hey, Alex. I'm Tyler from >> Thank you. Hey, Alex. I'm Tyler from Manhattan Beach. Um, one really simple Manhattan Beach. Um, one really simple Manhattan Beach. Um, one really simple question. Did you sleep the night before question. Did you sleep the night before question. Did you sleep the night before the climb? the climb? the climb? >> Uh, yeah. Yeah, pretty well. um kind of >> Uh, yeah. Yeah, pretty well. um kind of >> Uh, yeah. Yeah, pretty well. um kind of except that I was super jet-lagged so we except that I was super jet-lagged so we except that I was super jet-lagged so we were waking up at 4. It was kind of were waking up at 4. It was kind of were waking up at 4. It was kind of weird. Um but no, I I basically slept weird. Um but no, I I basically slept weird. Um but no, I I basically slept well. Yeah. So the night before, so it well. Yeah. So the night before, so it well. Yeah. So the night before, so it was delayed the day before and the the was delayed the day before and the the was delayed the day before and the the night before that day, I'd sort of night before that day, I'd sort of night before that day, I'd sort of looked out the window and I hadn't even looked out the window and I hadn't even looked out the window and I hadn't even packed my bag for the next morning. I packed my bag for the next morning. I packed my bag for the next morning. I was like there's no chance we're doing was like there's no chance we're doing was like there's no chance we're doing it tomorrow. Even though technically it it tomorrow. Even though technically it it tomorrow. Even though technically it was still like I'm supposed to solo a was still like I'm supposed to solo a was still like I'm supposed to solo a skyscraper tomorrow morning, but skyscraper tomorrow morning, but skyscraper tomorrow morning, but basically it was like raining. The basically it was like raining. The basically it was like raining. The forecast looked horrible. I just looked forecast looked horrible. I just looked forecast looked horrible. I just looked out the window. I was like there's no out the window. I was like there's no out the window. I was like there's no chance. Even though it hasn't actually chance. Even though it hasn't actually chance. Even though it hasn't actually been called yet. And so I didn't even been called yet. And so I didn't even been called yet. And so I didn't even pack. I didn't do anything. The next pack. I didn't do anything. The next pack. I didn't do anything. The next day, I was kind of looking out the day, I was kind of looking out the day, I was kind of looking out the window and I was like, I kind of think window and I was like, I kind of think window and I was like, I kind of think I'm doing it tomorrow. And so, I'd I'm doing it tomorrow. And so, I'd I'm doing it tomorrow. And so, I'd packed my bag. I had everything all laid packed my bag. I had everything all laid packed my bag. I had everything all laid out. I was ready. I was psyched. And and out. I was ready. I was psyched. And and out. I was ready. I was psyched. And and then, yeah, we slept pretty well and got then, yeah, we slept pretty well and got then, yeah, we slept pretty well and got up at whatever time we were supposed to. up at whatever time we were supposed to. up at whatever time we were supposed to. And and it was all fine. Which is And and it was all fine. Which is And and it was all fine. Which is actually an interesting thing kind of actually an interesting thing kind of actually an interesting thing kind of when you can tell that a project is when you can tell that a project is when you can tell that a project is coming together for you because when you coming together for you because when you coming together for you because when you wake up and you're like, "Oh, I'm wake up and you're like, "Oh, I'm wake up and you're like, "Oh, I'm excited to go do a thing." It's really excited to go do a thing." It's really excited to go do a thing." It's really different than like, "Oh, god." You different than like, "Oh, god." You different than like, "Oh, god." You know? And actually, I think I said this know? And actually, I think I said this know? And actually, I think I said this to my wife at some point while we were to my wife at some point while we were to my wife at some point while we were uh on the trip, but like when you're in uh on the trip, but like when you're in uh on the trip, but like when you're in the big mountains trying to climb like the big mountains trying to climb like the big mountains trying to climb like really extreme alpine climbs and things really extreme alpine climbs and things really extreme alpine climbs and things like that, you often camp at the base of like that, you often camp at the base of like that, you often camp at the base of some objective and you're sort of some objective and you're sort of some objective and you're sort of secretly hoping that it rains or it secretly hoping that it rains or it secretly hoping that it rains or it snows or something because you're kind snows or something because you're kind snows or something because you're kind of afraid to actually have to go up and of afraid to actually have to go up and of afraid to actually have to go up and do the thing that you're there to do. do the thing that you're there to do. do the thing that you're there to do. You're sort of like, h, I hope it snows You're sort of like, h, I hope it snows You're sort of like, h, I hope it snows so we don't have to climb the thing cuz so we don't have to climb the thing cuz so we don't have to climb the thing cuz you're like, you look up at the wall and you're like, you look up at the wall and you're like, you look up at the wall and you're like, I don't want to climb the you're like, I don't want to climb the you're like, I don't want to climb the thing. It seems like really scary, you thing. It seems like really scary, you thing. It seems like really scary, you know, and and you know that you can and know, and and you know that you can and know, and and you know that you can and you're and you're still going to try, you're and you're still going to try, you're and you're still going to try, but you're sort of secretly like, I kind but you're sort of secretly like, I kind but you're sort of secretly like, I kind of hope it snows. And with the building, of hope it snows. And with the building, of hope it snows. And with the building, I think at first I was kind of like, I I think at first I was kind of like, I I think at first I was kind of like, I don't know, like I don't like this is don't know, like I don't like this is don't know, like I don't like this is all sort of stressful. But then by the all sort of stressful. But then by the all sort of stressful. But then by the time the day came, I was like, I'm so time the day came, I was like, I'm so time the day came, I was like, I'm so psyched that it's perfect weather cuz psyched that it's perfect weather cuz psyched that it's perfect weather cuz it's game time. Like, here we go. it's game time. Like, here we go. it's game time. Like, here we go. >> I'm curious to know, I feel like Free >> I'm curious to know, I feel like Free >> I'm curious to know, I feel like Free Solo is one of the most impressive Solo is one of the most impressive Solo is one of the most impressive things I'll ever see in my lifetime. Um, things I'll ever see in my lifetime. Um, things I'll ever see in my lifetime. Um, as is now Taipei. What's the most as is now Taipei. What's the most as is now Taipei. What's the most impressive thing you've ever witnessed impressive thing you've ever witnessed impressive thing you've ever witnessed in your lifetime? in your lifetime? in your lifetime? >> That's an interesting question. You mean >> That's an interesting question. You mean >> That's an interesting question. You mean like in a film or in in real life? Uh like in a film or in in real life? Uh like in a film or in in real life? Uh >> well, I just feel like you've been on so >> well, I just feel like you've been on so >> well, I just feel like you've been on so many amazing like trips and expeditions many amazing like trips and expeditions many amazing like trips and expeditions and like what's the one thing to you and like what's the one thing to you and like what's the one thing to you that just stands out that you're like, I that just stands out that you're like, I that just stands out that you're like, I may never see that again? may never see that again? may never see that again? >> Oh, I don't know. I mean, literally this >> Oh, I don't know. I mean, literally this >> Oh, I don't know. I mean, literally this week I saw a kid climb something at this week I saw a kid climb something at this week I saw a kid climb something at this cave where I've been climbing that I was cave where I've been climbing that I was cave where I've been climbing that I was like I've just never seen a human climb like I've just never seen a human climb like I've just never seen a human climb like that. It was the craziest thing like that. It was the craziest thing like that. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. This is a little kid I've ever seen. This is a little kid I've ever seen. This is a little kid Tyler. I'm like, I don't know. It's like Tyler. I'm like, I don't know. It's like Tyler. I'm like, I don't know. It's like totally next level. It's like next totally next level. It's like next totally next level. It's like next generation type stuff. But um I don't generation type stuff. But um I don't generation type stuff. But um I don't know and I've had a couple random exper know and I've had a couple random exper know and I've had a couple random exper actually have any of you guys seen the actually have any of you guys seen the actually have any of you guys seen the film The Alpenist. It's like another film The Alpenist. It's like another film The Alpenist. It's like another climbing documentary. So that was about climbing documentary. So that was about climbing documentary. So that was about this guy Mark Andrelair and um and this guy Mark Andrelair and um and this guy Mark Andrelair and um and actually so I was just saying that actually so I was just saying that actually so I was just saying that sometimes you're camped in a tent and sometimes you're camped in a tent and sometimes you're camped in a tent and you're sort of secretly hoping that it you're sort of secretly hoping that it you're sort of secretly hoping that it snows. So uh I was camped in the Tory snows. So uh I was camped in the Tory snows. So uh I was camped in the Tory Valley like below in in Patagonia in Valley like below in in Patagonia in Valley like below in in Patagonia in southern Argentina and a friend and I southern Argentina and a friend and I southern Argentina and a friend and I were going to try to do the Tory were going to try to do the Tory were going to try to do the Tory introverse and uh and Mark Andre went up introverse and uh and Mark Andre went up introverse and uh and Mark Andre went up and soloed one of the spires serator. and soloed one of the spires serator. and soloed one of the spires serator. It's like this really striking iconic It's like this really striking iconic It's like this really striking iconic tower. And so when we started our little tower. And so when we started our little tower. And so when we started our little traverse, we could look across and see traverse, we could look across and see traverse, we could look across and see this tiny tiny black dot alone on this this tiny tiny black dot alone on this this tiny tiny black dot alone on this 4,000 ft granite and ice spire thing. It 4,000 ft granite and ice spire thing. It 4,000 ft granite and ice spire thing. It was insane. And I was kind of like, I was insane. And I was kind of like, I was insane. And I was kind of like, I cannot believe that there's just a dude cannot believe that there's just a dude cannot believe that there's just a dude by himself climbing this like crazy by himself climbing this like crazy by himself climbing this like crazy mountain. And uh he wound up climbing mountain. And uh he wound up climbing mountain. And uh he wound up climbing the crazy mountain and descending and the crazy mountain and descending and the crazy mountain and descending and have this incredible experience. We have this incredible experience. We have this incredible experience. We climbed 3.9 of the four spires, got climbed 3.9 of the four spires, got climbed 3.9 of the four spires, got totally hammered by a storm, retreated totally hammered by a storm, retreated totally hammered by a storm, retreated off the wrong side of the mountain off the wrong side of the mountain off the wrong side of the mountain range, and then did a 20-hour death range, and then did a 20-hour death range, and then did a 20-hour death march around the entire mountain range march around the entire mountain range march around the entire mountain range with no food. And uh we lost all of our with no food. And uh we lost all of our with no food. And uh we lost all of our gear. We lost our tent. We lost gear. We lost our tent. We lost gear. We lost our tent. We lost everything. And then we uh and then I everything. And then we uh and then I everything. And then we uh and then I flew home cuz the trip was over cuz I flew home cuz the trip was over cuz I flew home cuz the trip was over cuz I lost everything I owned. I was sort of lost everything I owned. I was sort of lost everything I owned. I was sort of like, well, that that wraps up the like, well, that that wraps up the like, well, that that wraps up the season. Anyway, that's that's a random season. Anyway, that's that's a random season. Anyway, that's that's a random story. story. story. Uh I remember watching that film uh and Uh I remember watching that film uh and Uh I remember watching that film uh and at the beginning if memory serves me uh at the beginning if memory serves me uh at the beginning if memory serves me uh there's voice over of you on Tim there's voice over of you on Tim there's voice over of you on Tim Ferrris's podcast and I think Tim asks Ferrris's podcast and I think Tim asks Ferrris's podcast and I think Tim asks you something like uh you know who you something like uh you know who you something like uh you know who inspires you or you know who are the who inspires you or you know who are the who inspires you or you know who are the who are the people that like you look to and are the people that like you look to and are the people that like you look to and you mentioned Ella as being kind of an you mentioned Ella as being kind of an you mentioned Ella as being kind of an inspirational figure this Mark Andre inspirational figure this Mark Andre inspirational figure this Mark Andre Mark Andre as just being this you know Mark Andre as just being this you know Mark Andre as just being this you know purest inspirational person. Is there purest inspirational person. Is there purest inspirational person. Is there anyone else that anyone else that anyone else that inspires you? Like who do you look to? inspires you? Like who do you look to? inspires you? Like who do you look to? >> Oh, I mean all kinds of climbing heroes. >> Oh, I mean all kinds of climbing heroes. >> Oh, I mean all kinds of climbing heroes. I mean, you know, you mean contemporary I mean, you know, you mean contemporary I mean, you know, you mean contemporary or sort of through childhood and through or sort of through childhood and through or sort of through childhood and through >> just in general maybe even outside of >> just in general maybe even outside of >> just in general maybe even outside of the climbing world. the climbing world. the climbing world. >> Well, actually, so I mean, yeah, when >> Well, actually, so I mean, yeah, when >> Well, actually, so I mean, yeah, when you're asking about sort of like you're asking about sort of like you're asking about sort of like impressive human feats that inspired me. impressive human feats that inspired me. impressive human feats that inspired me. So, like Philippite uh from the So, like Philippite uh from the So, like Philippite uh from the documentary Man on Wire, if anyone's documentary Man on Wire, if anyone's documentary Man on Wire, if anyone's seen it, like walking the tight road seen it, like walking the tight road seen it, like walking the tight road between the the Twin Towers, like the between the the Twin Towers, like the between the the Twin Towers, like the World Trade Center. Um, I mean, I saw World Trade Center. Um, I mean, I saw World Trade Center. Um, I mean, I saw that film before I freestyl Cap and it that film before I freestyl Cap and it that film before I freestyl Cap and it really captured me. It's like, you know, really captured me. It's like, you know, really captured me. It's like, you know, he's like such a unusual individual with he's like such a unusual individual with he's like such a unusual individual with this quickotic like he just wants to do this quickotic like he just wants to do this quickotic like he just wants to do this crazy thing and then he just this crazy thing and then he just this crazy thing and then he just pursues it and he does and it's so pursues it and he does and it's so pursues it and he does and it's so incredible and it's amazing to see and incredible and it's amazing to see and incredible and it's amazing to see and and I remember being really struck by and I remember being really struck by and I remember being really struck by that documentary. I was like, "Oh, that documentary. I was like, "Oh, that documentary. I was like, "Oh, that's so cool." And um and you know, that's so cool." And um and you know, that's so cool." And um and you know, and at the time I was like thinking and at the time I was like thinking and at the time I was like thinking about Alcap and I was really drawn to about Alcap and I was really drawn to about Alcap and I was really drawn to it, but it just felt like this whole, it, but it just felt like this whole, it, but it just felt like this whole, you know, I was like, "I don't know. Is you know, I was like, "I don't know. Is you know, I was like, "I don't know. Is that too much? Is that too crazy?" So, I that too much? Is that too crazy?" So, I that too much? Is that too crazy?" So, I think that film is particularly think that film is particularly think that film is particularly inspiring. And then I've met him at a inspiring. And then I've met him at a inspiring. And then I've met him at a few events since then, like done some few events since then, like done some few events since then, like done some panels with him and things. I was like, panels with him and things. I was like, panels with him and things. I was like, what a character. He's like such a But what a character. He's like such a But what a character. He's like such a But he's like, it's interesting because he he's like, it's interesting because he he's like, it's interesting because he comes from sort of like a circus comes from sort of like a circus comes from sort of like a circus background and it's like really background and it's like really background and it's like really different than than a rock climbing different than than a rock climbing different than than a rock climbing background. But, um, but anyway, still background. But, um, but anyway, still background. But, um, but anyway, still super inspiring. I don't know if you're super inspiring. I don't know if you're super inspiring. I don't know if you're aware, but after uh the Taipei climb, it aware, but after uh the Taipei climb, it aware, but after uh the Taipei climb, it sort of initiated or or kicked up this sort of initiated or or kicked up this sort of initiated or or kicked up this whole discourse around whether or not whole discourse around whether or not whole discourse around whether or not you are the world's greatest living you are the world's greatest living you are the world's greatest living athlete. Are you aware of this athlete. Are you aware of this athlete. Are you aware of this conversation that's happening? Are you conversation that's happening? Are you conversation that's happening? Are you the world's greatest living athlete? Uh the world's greatest living athlete? Uh the world's greatest living athlete? Uh and if not, who is in your opinion? and if not, who is in your opinion? and if not, who is in your opinion? >> I would give a strong no. Uh, I mean, I >> I would give a strong no. Uh, I mean, I >> I would give a strong no. Uh, I mean, I think it really comes down to how you think it really comes down to how you think it really comes down to how you would evaluate that. I mean, how do you would evaluate that. I mean, how do you would evaluate that. I mean, how do you determine who's a strong athlete? But I determine who's a strong athlete? But I determine who's a strong athlete? But I think by any basic measures of fitness, think by any basic measures of fitness, think by any basic measures of fitness, I would not be the greatest athlete. You I would not be the greatest athlete. You I would not be the greatest athlete. You know, it's like if you're measuring V2 know, it's like if you're measuring V2 know, it's like if you're measuring V2 max, you're measuring uh, you know, like max, you're measuring uh, you know, like max, you're measuring uh, you know, like splits for for miles or, you know, splits for for miles or, you know, splits for for miles or, you know, running or swimming or like basically running or swimming or like basically running or swimming or like basically any measurable thing, I would not be the any measurable thing, I would not be the any measurable thing, I would not be the best. best. best. >> But you are gambling your life with >> But you are gambling your life with >> But you are gambling your life with these things. It's interesting. You live these things. It's interesting. You live these things. It's interesting. You live in Las Vegas. You don't gamble, but in Las Vegas. You don't gamble, but in Las Vegas. You don't gamble, but you're actually the biggest gambler in you're actually the biggest gambler in you're actually the biggest gambler in the whole place. Yeah. Well, I like to the whole place. Yeah. Well, I like to the whole place. Yeah. Well, I like to joke. I only gamble with my life. But joke. I only gamble with my life. But joke. I only gamble with my life. But that's a joke. that's a joke. that's a joke. >> Uh, all right. No, but I think but so >> Uh, all right. No, but I think but so >> Uh, all right. No, but I think but so actually you say that though, but there actually you say that though, but there actually you say that though, but there are plenty of other athletes though, are plenty of other athletes though, are plenty of other athletes though, like tour to France riders are riding, like tour to France riders are riding, like tour to France riders are riding, you know, 60 m hour plus downhill you know, 60 m hour plus downhill you know, 60 m hour plus downhill wearing Lycra. And like ski racers, I wearing Lycra. And like ski racers, I wearing Lycra. And like ski racers, I mean, the Winter Olympics are coming up mean, the Winter Olympics are coming up mean, the Winter Olympics are coming up in a week. And it's like downhill ski in a week. And it's like downhill ski in a week. And it's like downhill ski racers are doing 60 80 m hour freaking racers are doing 60 80 m hour freaking racers are doing 60 80 m hour freaking wearing Lycra. And you know, it's like wearing Lycra. And you know, it's like wearing Lycra. And you know, it's like it might not look as extreme as as free it might not look as extreme as as free it might not look as extreme as as free soling a skyscraper, but it's like I'm I soling a skyscraper, but it's like I'm I soling a skyscraper, but it's like I'm I don't know that much about ski racing. I don't know that much about ski racing. I don't know that much about ski racing. I don't really know much about anything don't really know much about anything don't really know much about anything except for climbing, but I'm sure except for climbing, but I'm sure except for climbing, but I'm sure occasionally there are accidents where occasionally there are accidents where occasionally there are accidents where ski racers die. You know, it's like I'm ski racers die. You know, it's like I'm ski racers die. You know, it's like I'm sure there must be times when people go sure there must be times when people go sure there must be times when people go horrifically out of bounds, like fly horrifically out of bounds, like fly horrifically out of bounds, like fly head first into a thing and die. And head first into a thing and die. And head first into a thing and die. And you're sort of like all these sports you're sort of like all these sports you're sort of like all these sports have consequences. Like they are have consequences. Like they are have consequences. Like they are dangerous. And so for whatever reason, dangerous. And so for whatever reason, dangerous. And so for whatever reason, people think of those as normal because people think of those as normal because people think of those as normal because they're like ski racing. My kids do they're like ski racing. My kids do they're like ski racing. My kids do that. I'm looking at you kids in the that. I'm looking at you kids in the that. I'm looking at you kids in the back who are now into ski racing. You back who are now into ski racing. You back who are now into ski racing. You know, it's like like all those kinds of know, it's like like all those kinds of know, it's like like all those kinds of things are considered normal because things are considered normal because things are considered normal because they're sort of mainstream, but I'm kind they're sort of mainstream, but I'm kind they're sort of mainstream, but I'm kind of like they're not really that much of like they're not really that much of like they're not really that much safer necessarily than than rock safer necessarily than than rock safer necessarily than than rock climbing, which you know, I mean, most climbing, which you know, I mean, most climbing, which you know, I mean, most people rock climbing is a gym. It's people rock climbing is a gym. It's people rock climbing is a gym. It's super safe. It's like anyway, there's a super safe. It's like anyway, there's a super safe. It's like anyway, there's a whole rant about risk and and how you whole rant about risk and and how you whole rant about risk and and how you evaluate and everything. evaluate and everything. evaluate and everything. >> Do you get tired of people asking you >> Do you get tired of people asking you >> Do you get tired of people asking you about uh you know, fear and risk and all about uh you know, fear and risk and all about uh you know, fear and risk and all of that? Like I mean, this is just the of that? Like I mean, this is just the of that? Like I mean, this is just the question that gets asked you in every question that gets asked you in every question that gets asked you in every single interview. single interview. single interview. >> No, I mean actually in some ways I'm >> No, I mean actually in some ways I'm >> No, I mean actually in some ways I'm starting to come I'd say I used to get starting to come I'd say I used to get starting to come I'd say I used to get more annoyed talking about it. Now I'm more annoyed talking about it. Now I'm more annoyed talking about it. Now I'm starting to come around a little bit starting to come around a little bit starting to come around a little bit where I'm like in a way that's the idea where I'm like in a way that's the idea where I'm like in a way that's the idea that I have that's worth sharing a that I have that's worth sharing a that I have that's worth sharing a little bit because I think that people little bit because I think that people little bit because I think that people should think about that more and I'm should think about that more and I'm should think about that more and I'm like I don't mind talking about it cuz like I don't mind talking about it cuz like I don't mind talking about it cuz I'm kind of like I want people to think I'm kind of like I want people to think I'm kind of like I want people to think about you know it's like I mean about you know it's like I mean about you know it's like I mean particularly this project we're like particularly this project we're like particularly this project we're like well why would you know it's like why is well why would you know it's like why is well why would you know it's like why is this sport considered dangerous whereas this sport considered dangerous whereas this sport considered dangerous whereas like boxing is considered okay. I'm like like boxing is considered okay. I'm like like boxing is considered okay. I'm like just because boxing is mainstream it's just because boxing is mainstream it's just because boxing is mainstream it's like that guy's getting punched in the like that guy's getting punched in the like that guy's getting punched in the face over and over. You're like how is face over and over. You're like how is face over and over. You're like how is that cool you know? I was like I didn't that cool you know? I was like I didn't that cool you know? I was like I didn't get punched in the face. I feel great. I get punched in the face. I feel great. I get punched in the face. I feel great. I finished the building. I came down. I finished the building. I came down. I finished the building. I came down. I had lunch. which I felt wonderful, you had lunch. which I felt wonderful, you had lunch. which I felt wonderful, you know, I didn't have to get my jaw like know, I didn't have to get my jaw like know, I didn't have to get my jaw like wired back on. I was like, jeez. wired back on. I was like, jeez. wired back on. I was like, jeez. >> But on the death piece also, just being >> But on the death piece also, just being >> But on the death piece also, just being so connected with your own mortality, so connected with your own mortality, so connected with your own mortality, like being present with the idea that uh like being present with the idea that uh like being present with the idea that uh you know, you are, you know, you're kind you know, you are, you know, you're kind you know, you are, you know, you're kind of living on the edge, the outer edge of of living on the edge, the outer edge of of living on the edge, the outer edge of of of of of of of you know, your capabilities where that you know, your capabilities where that you know, your capabilities where that is a real risk has you you're you're is a real risk has you you're you're is a real risk has you you're you're deeply connected to like that idea and deeply connected to like that idea and deeply connected to like that idea and most of us aren't. And most of us aren't. And most of us aren't. And >> but I would argue that we all should be >> but I would argue that we all should be >> but I would argue that we all should be because We're all going to die. This is because We're all going to die. This is because We're all going to die. This is your message like you know this is like your message like you know this is like your message like you know this is like we should we should be thinking about we should we should be thinking about we should we should be thinking about these things and putting ourselves in these things and putting ourselves in these things and putting ourselves in situations where we're more present with situations where we're more present with situations where we're more present with that. So that. So that. So >> what is it that you have learned from >> what is it that you have learned from >> what is it that you have learned from like being that person who does that like being that person who does that like being that person who does that that is worthy for all of us to like that is worthy for all of us to like that is worthy for all of us to like understand and and hear. understand and and hear. understand and and hear. I don't know. But but I do think that I don't know. But but I do think that I don't know. But but I do think that that being mindful of your own mortality that being mindful of your own mortality that being mindful of your own mortality helps put other things in perspectives helps put other things in perspectives helps put other things in perspectives and helps put a lot of a lot of and helps put a lot of a lot of and helps put a lot of a lot of anxieties and fears and other kinds of anxieties and fears and other kinds of anxieties and fears and other kinds of things into perspective. You're kind of things into perspective. You're kind of things into perspective. You're kind of like a lot of the little stuff just like a lot of the little stuff just like a lot of the little stuff just doesn't freaking matter when you think doesn't freaking matter when you think doesn't freaking matter when you think that either way you're going to die that either way you're going to die that either way you're going to die pretty soon. You're kind of like, you pretty soon. You're kind of like, you pretty soon. You're kind of like, you know, like like don't sweat the small know, like like don't sweat the small know, like like don't sweat the small stuff. I mean, it's all sort of cliche stuff. I mean, it's all sort of cliche stuff. I mean, it's all sort of cliche and whatever, but I mean, I think that and whatever, but I mean, I think that and whatever, but I mean, I think that the fact that we're all going to die, the fact that we're all going to die, the fact that we're all going to die, there's never a downside to evaluating there's never a downside to evaluating there's never a downside to evaluating your own mortality, thinking about the your own mortality, thinking about the your own mortality, thinking about the way that you're spending your time, way that you're spending your time, way that you're spending your time, thinking about the path that you're on. thinking about the path that you're on. thinking about the path that you're on. Like, are you doing the things that are Like, are you doing the things that are Like, are you doing the things that are important to you? Are you spending your important to you? Are you spending your important to you? Are you spending your time in the way that you think is most time in the way that you think is most time in the way that you think is most useful and uh, you know, that means the useful and uh, you know, that means the useful and uh, you know, that means the most to you? Like, are you basically are most to you? Like, are you basically are most to you? Like, are you basically are you living in line with your values? you living in line with your values? you living in line with your values? It's like, how often do people really It's like, how often do people really It's like, how often do people really think about that kind of thing? And I think about that kind of thing? And I think about that kind of thing? And I think that having, you know, being face think that having, you know, being face think that having, you know, being face to face with your own mortality is a to face with your own mortality is a to face with your own mortality is a good way to evaluate. I mean, people good way to evaluate. I mean, people good way to evaluate. I mean, people talk about that when they have like talk about that when they have like talk about that when they have like cancer scares and things like that and cancer scares and things like that and cancer scares and things like that and they're sort of like, "Oh, I came face they're sort of like, "Oh, I came face they're sort of like, "Oh, I came face to face with my own mortality. I to face with my own mortality. I to face with my own mortality. I realized that, you know, I was going realized that, you know, I was going realized that, you know, I was going down this crazy corporate career that down this crazy corporate career that down this crazy corporate career that wasn't in line with my values and I wasn't in line with my values and I wasn't in line with my values and I changed everything and now I live a changed everything and now I live a changed everything and now I live a better life." I'm kind of like, you can better life." I'm kind of like, you can better life." I'm kind of like, you can just do that through free soloing. You just do that through free soloing. You just do that through free soloing. You should try should try should try save a bunch of hassle. Just go straight save a bunch of hassle. Just go straight save a bunch of hassle. Just go straight to the clip. to the clip. to the clip. >> Um, we're getting near the end here, so >> Um, we're getting near the end here, so >> Um, we're getting near the end here, so uh please raise your hand. I want to uh please raise your hand. I want to uh please raise your hand. I want to make sure that everybody has their make sure that everybody has their make sure that everybody has their opportunity with with Alex to ask him opportunity with with Alex to ask him opportunity with with Alex to ask him what you want. what you want. what you want. >> Now they're all bummed out. They're >> Now they're all bummed out. They're >> Now they're all bummed out. They're like, "Am I spending my life the right like, "Am I spending my life the right like, "Am I spending my life the right way?" way?" way?" >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> You're like, "What am I doing with >> You're like, "What am I doing with >> You're like, "What am I doing with myself?" myself?" myself?" >> Um, I'm Meredith with Step Studios, and >> Um, I'm Meredith with Step Studios, and >> Um, I'm Meredith with Step Studios, and I guess I want to hear something outside I guess I want to hear something outside I guess I want to hear something outside of the like fear and risk side, but now of the like fear and risk side, but now of the like fear and risk side, but now that you're spending more time at home, that you're spending more time at home, that you're spending more time at home, maybe choosing the risk that you take a maybe choosing the risk that you take a maybe choosing the risk that you take a little bit more wisely, what are you little bit more wisely, what are you little bit more wisely, what are you finding you're doing with some of your finding you're doing with some of your finding you're doing with some of your downtime that's not focused on climbing? downtime that's not focused on climbing? downtime that's not focused on climbing? Are there any guilty pleasures? Are Are there any guilty pleasures? Are Are there any guilty pleasures? Are there any hobbies that you're picking up there any hobbies that you're picking up there any hobbies that you're picking up that would show us a different side of that would show us a different side of that would show us a different side of you? Uh yeah, really like playing ping you? Uh yeah, really like playing ping you? Uh yeah, really like playing ping pong. Like super fun. Uh we have a ping pong. Like super fun. Uh we have a ping pong. Like super fun. Uh we have a ping pong table in our gym, so I use it to pong table in our gym, so I use it to pong table in our gym, so I use it to like warm up and cool down and like rest like warm up and cool down and like rest like warm up and cool down and like rest in between stuff when when I'm training. in between stuff when when I'm training. in between stuff when when I'm training. Uh so fun. And then uh I don't know. I Uh so fun. And then uh I don't know. I Uh so fun. And then uh I don't know. I do cross word every day. Love do cross word every day. Love do cross word every day. Love crosswording. But um that's about it. crosswording. But um that's about it. crosswording. But um that's about it. Those are my weird little hobbies, but Those are my weird little hobbies, but Those are my weird little hobbies, but nothing nothing else too exciting going nothing nothing else too exciting going nothing nothing else too exciting going on. And then a lot of parenting on. And then a lot of parenting on. And then a lot of parenting basically with having little kids yell basically with having little kids yell basically with having little kids yell at you and then poop on the carpet. It's at you and then poop on the carpet. It's at you and then poop on the carpet. It's the worst. Any other questions? All right, let's go Any other questions? All right, let's go play some table tennis and think about play some table tennis and think about play some table tennis and think about death. Huh? Um, death. Huh? Um, death. Huh? Um, >> before we end it, uh, I did want to give >> before we end it, uh, I did want to give >> before we end it, uh, I did want to give you the opportunity to share a little you the opportunity to share a little you the opportunity to share a little bit about this upcoming TV show that bit about this upcoming TV show that bit about this upcoming TV show that you're you're you're >> Get a little out there. >> Get a little out there. >> Get a little out there. >> Yeah. Do your plug, dude. >> Yeah. Do your plug, dude. >> Yeah. Do your plug, dude. >> Oh, I mean, is is that the thing to >> Oh, I mean, is is that the thing to >> Oh, I mean, is is that the thing to plug? Yeah. So, I I shot this travel plug? Yeah. So, I I shot this travel plug? Yeah. So, I I shot this travel show. I mean, in some ways, it's a show. I mean, in some ways, it's a show. I mean, in some ways, it's a wonderful contrast to the the building wonderful contrast to the the building wonderful contrast to the the building climb. I shot this travel show called climb. I shot this travel show called climb. I shot this travel show called Get a Little Out There. uh it's like for Get a Little Out There. uh it's like for Get a Little Out There. uh it's like for travel Nevada and I toured around Nevada travel Nevada and I toured around Nevada travel Nevada and I toured around Nevada and and did outdoor adventures sort of and and did outdoor adventures sort of and and did outdoor adventures sort of in my home states cuz I'm from I live in in my home states cuz I'm from I live in in my home states cuz I'm from I live in Las Vegas. It was freaking awesome. It Las Vegas. It was freaking awesome. It Las Vegas. It was freaking awesome. It was super fun uh sort of cultural was super fun uh sort of cultural was super fun uh sort of cultural experience. In a way I was like man experience. In a way I was like man experience. In a way I was like man shooting a travel show is way more chill shooting a travel show is way more chill shooting a travel show is way more chill than shooting like a free soling than shooting like a free soling than shooting like a free soling extravaganza cuz you basically just go extravaganza cuz you basically just go extravaganza cuz you basically just go have fun adventures with your friends, have fun adventures with your friends, have fun adventures with your friends, check out new places, meet interesting check out new places, meet interesting check out new places, meet interesting people. It was uh it was it was great. people. It was uh it was it was great. people. It was uh it was it was great. But I think that comes out in a couple But I think that comes out in a couple But I think that comes out in a couple weeks and so um yeah, so if anybody's weeks and so um yeah, so if anybody's weeks and so um yeah, so if anybody's interested in traveling around about it, interested in traveling around about it, interested in traveling around about it, you should see it. And what's going on you should see it. And what's going on you should see it. And what's going on at the Honold Foundation these days? at the Honold Foundation these days? at the Honold Foundation these days? >> Well, it's freaking going off. You have >> Well, it's freaking going off. You have >> Well, it's freaking going off. You have I have a foundation that supports I have a foundation that supports I have a foundation that supports community solar projects around the community solar projects around the community solar projects around the world. And um I mean in general, we're world. And um I mean in general, we're world. And um I mean in general, we're always raising as much as we can and always raising as much as we can and always raising as much as we can and giving as much as we can. I think it's giving as much as we can. I think it's giving as much as we can. I think it's um every year we do an open call for um every year we do an open call for um every year we do an open call for grant applications, which I think is grant applications, which I think is grant applications, which I think is open right now. So we're currently open right now. So we're currently open right now. So we're currently soliciting uh applications from around soliciting uh applications from around soliciting uh applications from around the world for for community solar the world for for community solar the world for for community solar projects and I think we've given over projects and I think we've given over projects and I think we've given over $10 million to date to to projects $10 million to date to to projects $10 million to date to to projects around the world. So um yeah. Nice. um you inspire us all. I appreciate you um you inspire us all. I appreciate you taking the time to be here uh you know taking the time to be here uh you know taking the time to be here uh you know so quickly after this extraordinary so quickly after this extraordinary so quickly after this extraordinary thing that you did that just really thing that you did that just really thing that you did that just really captured the hearts and minds of all of captured the hearts and minds of all of captured the hearts and minds of all of us all all across the world. You're a us all all across the world. You're a us all all across the world. You're a true inspiration, Alex. And uh I think true inspiration, Alex. And uh I think true inspiration, Alex. And uh I think he might be our greatest living athlete he might be our greatest living athlete he might be our greatest living athlete whether you like it or not. No chance. whether you like it or not. No chance. whether you like it or not. No chance. >> I always enjoy spending time with you >> I always enjoy spending time with you >> I always enjoy spending time with you and uh this was just really fun and and uh this was just really fun and and uh this was just really fun and great. So appreciate it. Big hand for great. So appreciate it. Big hand for great. So appreciate it. Big hand for Thank you guys.